| 00:00.07 | pollywog | I wonder if the hashed keys are keeping ssh-agent forwarding from working |
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| 00:01.10 | orgw | is there anyway to forward with apache? |
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| 00:01.16 | paulNewWall | itguru : is your ethernet card named HAL 9000 ? |
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| 00:02.11 | paq | hmm what is the recommended way to configure an interface that requires a gateway that cannot be routed before the interface is up? i must set a host-route *before* ifup attempts to set the gateway... didnt find anything in the man-page about this (imho not so uncommon) situation |
| 00:02.51 | itguru | paulNewWall: lemme check |
| 00:03.03 | itguru | not anymore! |
| 00:03.41 | pollywog | wasn't HAL 9000 the name of the computer from Space Odyssey? |
| 00:03.42 | paulNewWall | itguru : except my joke, I never saw that. |
| 00:04.17 | paulNewWall | pollywog : may be :-) |
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| 00:06.17 | wireddd | dave... what are you doing dave? |
| 00:06.54 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 00:06.57 | Shadowcat | even I know of HAL |
| 00:07.02 | Shadowcat | and this 286 I have is older than I am |
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| 00:07.45 | wireddd | is there a version of debian that will run on a hal 9000? |
| 00:07.52 | azeem | wireddd: no |
| 00:07.59 | wireddd | thats too bad |
| 00:08.04 | pv2b | the netbsd guys are working on it though |
| 00:08.05 | pv2b | last i heard |
| 00:08.10 | RichiH | azeem: sure there is |
| 00:08.14 | wireddd | someone should put one together as a joke |
| 00:08.20 | RichiH | Debian: Blinky edition |
| 00:08.23 | sylow | I have the error No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The current .. is 'kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' (i'm trying to get an iso installed on amd64) any ideas how I can fix this? |
| 00:08.52 | ry | that's your problem |
| 00:08.56 | ry | 386 not good |
| 00:09.03 | ry | I believe you want k8 |
| 00:09.13 | sylow | k8 ? |
| 00:09.22 | ice1963 | k7 |
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| 00:09.36 | ry | yes, instead of kernel-immage-anything86, you want k7... sorry typo :) |
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| 00:09.48 | sylow | oh ok :-) |
| 00:09.54 | ry | you may have to compile a custom kernel though |
| 00:10.00 | sylow | ok I'll try that! |
| 00:10.10 | ry | I'm about to take a crack at another amd64 install myself |
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| 00:10.41 | sylow | so ry, I'll have to type linux27 at boot ? |
| 00:10.45 | ry | say, does anyone have suggestions as to which laptop would run linux the best? |
| 00:10.57 | ry | syllow: I have no clue, I haven't seen the boot screen |
| 00:10.59 | ry | :) |
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| 00:11.17 | ry | and what sighted assistance I have is sketchy at best |
| 00:11.20 | paulNewWall | (Remember the first replicant of K.DICK is away) |
| 00:11.40 | pinky_ | I have a directory on an NTFS partition with many many files and subdirecories that I'd like to copy over to this ext3 parition. I can read it fine (mounted), but many of the filenames have special characters (à ,ë,ó, etc.) that show up as question marks in the filename and they won;t copy over. |
| 00:11.57 | sylow | ry: I mean the prompt you get in the beginning, there is a boot: where you can type something (or pressF1 forr help) |
| 00:11.58 | pinky_ | How can I copy them over anyway? |
| 00:12.16 | pinky_ | I mean I don't care if the filenames are screwed up I just want the DATA on my ext3 partition |
| 00:12.30 | ry | pinky: why not just cp /dev/ntfs/* /dev/x3fs |
| 00:12.36 | ry | syllow: no clue |
| 00:12.58 | pinky_ | ry: I did, but it doesn't copy over many of the files with weird characters in the filenames |
| 00:13.04 | ry | or, if you're desperate, use winscp or something |
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| 00:13.15 | azeem | sylow: yes |
| 00:13.26 | abrotman | is it pure64? |
| 00:13.35 | azeem | sylow: well if you want to install |
| 00:13.57 | ry | the way I plan to do it because I am porting my 1.2 tb fileserver from microcrap win2k3 to linux is to pop all the hdds into another windows box and then transfer everything through samba |
| 00:14.34 | pinky_ | I don't have a spare Windows box |
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| 00:14.44 | pinky_ | Can I not do this locally? |
| 00:14.44 | sylow | azeem: linux27 is not an option I see now |
| 00:14.52 | azeem | sylow: well, linux26 obviously |
| 00:14.53 | pinky_ | The partition is mounted fine and everything... |
| 00:15.05 | sylow | linux (the default) is, but that conflicts with the partition program somehow |
| 00:15.16 | sylow | azeem: that kernel won't load |
| 00:15.23 | azeem | there's no other |
| 00:15.38 | ry | pinky: not that I know of, |
| 00:15.39 | azeem | sylow: did you install already? |
| 00:15.40 | pinky_ | I can see these files plain as day (granted with messed up filenames) where I mounted this NTFS partition, but a "cp -R" will not copy them over! |
| 00:15.54 | sylow | azeem: no.. well I tried but they failed |
| 00:16.05 | azeem | failed at what point? |
| 00:16.05 | pinky_ | Only the files/folders with normal alphanumeric characters are copied over |
| 00:16.05 | ry | heh, there's a reason people hate microsoft :) |
| 00:16.16 | abrotman | sylow: you tried a 2.4 and 2.6? |
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| 00:16.51 | ry | has anyone used vmware on debian? |
| 00:16.57 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 00:17.01 | ry | ah |
| 00:17.03 | sylow | azeem: it told me it didn't find a useable kernel during/after base install |
| 00:17.03 | ry | thanks |
| 00:17.11 | sylow | azeem: i haven't tried 2.4 |
| 00:17.19 | azeem | sylow: what version of Debian are you installing? |
| 00:17.26 | abrotman | is he installing pure64? |
| 00:17.43 | sylow | the latest stable 3.2rc2 |
| 00:17.56 | azeem | eh |
| 00:18.00 | ry | sylow: the amd64 port? |
| 00:18.09 | azeem | sylow: that is "release candidate"? |
| 00:18.10 | sylow | no ry, should I have that one ? |
| 00:18.10 | itguru | Okay, just to be clear - it was playing along with the sarcasm, when I pretended to change the name of my ethernet card - damn, I just went to get a drink and there is like 10 pages of txt! |
| 00:18.21 | azeem | sylow: the latest stable is 3.1r2 |
| 00:18.35 | ry | sylow: if you are running an amd64 then probably, if you want full potential out of your processor |
| 00:18.44 | sylow | yeah.. sorry guys I'm not at that pc right now .. versions are confusing me |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 00:18.46 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 00:19.12 | sylow | oke abrotman thanks :) |
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| 00:19.19 | azeem | sylow: if you're really installing stable, then likely the CD is a bad burn or something |
| 00:19.23 | azeem | not finding the kernel |
| 00:19.25 | ry | crap, and I just burned the amd64 cd that I don't have a good reason to use :) |
| 00:19.27 | k31th | Guys i have abit of an issue with vhosts, if i use www.blah.com works fine however if i dont use www and just use blah.com it goes to my main site for that server. Any ideas ? it was working fine could this be a file permisions issue ? |
| 00:19.37 | k31th | with apache |
| 00:19.52 | abrotman | ask #apache |
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| 00:20.11 | k31th | ok. |
| 00:20.13 | pinky_ | So does anyone know why "cp -R" is skipping filenames with weird question-mark-like charchters in them from NTFS --> ext3? |
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| 00:20.48 | azeem | pinky_: the NTFS driver is still not stable, AFAIK |
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| 00:21.17 | pinky_ | azeem: So is there another way of doing this without directly mounting? |
| 00:21.26 | azeem | without mounting? |
| 00:21.53 | pinky_ | Mounting the NTFS partition locally, I mean |
| 00:22.11 | pinky_ | Because that driver cannot seem to copy any filenames with weird charcters in it |
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| 00:23.25 | pinky_ | Wait I know! |
| 00:23.28 | pinky_ | Samba! |
| 00:23.38 | paulNewWall | pinky_ : Have You tried to see the NTFS on a windows unit ? |
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| 00:32.14 | abrotman | silly obvious answers |
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| 00:32.48 | petemc | buy dell! |
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| 00:33.32 | SSL | hello |
| 00:33.37 | abrotman | petemc: eh .. that will just create more problems :) |
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| 00:33.44 | petemc | :) |
| 00:33.57 | tulga | I need restart usb ports every 4 hours. is it possible? |
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| 00:34.08 | abrotman | muzak la bamba! |
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| 00:35.02 | abrotman | tulga: unload the modules .. then reload them ? |
| 00:35.02 | [Thom] | Can someone recommend a good linux hosting provider for small business? I need some pretty liberal control over what I need to install. |
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| 00:35.28 | tulga | abrotman: howto unload and reload module? I don't know debian well |
| 00:35.38 | abrotman | man modprobe ? |
| 00:35.48 | tulga | tnx ;) |
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| 00:36.03 | abrotman | it would be the same with any linux .. debian has nothing to do with it |
| 00:37.29 | petemc | the cheese will give you nightmares |
| 00:37.35 | Knorrie | mmm |
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| 00:38.50 | abrotman | the pepperoni will give you heartburn |
| 00:39.46 | petemc | the crusts will make your hair curly |
| 00:40.06 | petemc | or is that normal bread crusts.. |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | i haven't had pizza in a while |
| 00:40.46 | nse | did you guys ever tried nicotine? |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | bad habit |
| 00:41.05 | dabreegster | nse: mucous is a much nicer client |
| 00:41.34 | pv2b | is the nicotine itself that bad though? i thought it was all that tar and crap in the smoke that was bad for you |
| 00:42.28 | ry | it's mostly the tar, I love the nick :) |
| 00:42.44 | petemc | nicotine is poison |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | pv2b: both are bad |
| 00:42.51 | pv2b | petemc: so is caffeine |
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| 00:43.02 | petemc | right |
| 00:43.10 | nse | so is oxygen |
| 00:43.12 | rhys | whats better, NFS or SMB? |
| 00:43.19 | itguru | can i ask your guys opinoion? i have an old mailing list, with about... 9000 email addresses on it, I;ve changed my domain, and relanched my website. I want to tell people about it, but I'm scared that people won't recognise that it's me, and start complaining about spam, what is the best netique to use, so that I can get people to remove thier addresses? |
| 00:43.54 | nse | dabreegster: what do you mean exactly by nicer? |
| 00:44.01 | azeem | itguru: just start posting with the new address and mention that it's you? |
| 00:44.17 | abrotman | !captain obvious azeem |
| 00:44.17 | B1GfOot | rhys: that depends on what you want to connect really doesnt it |
| 00:44.30 | dabreegster | nse: Sort of a joke. Nicotine as in the Soulseek client. mucous, an alternative for the console, is a bit nicer in my opinion |
| 00:44.34 | beardy | itguru: You're the guru, don't you know? |
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| 00:44.44 | pv2b | itguru: send an e-mail once. from your old domain. where you say soemthing like "olddomain is now newdomain. if you still want to get mails for my relaunched web site bla bla" |
| 00:44.48 | pv2b | itguru: opt in, not opt out. |
| 00:44.49 | azeem | beardy: do you ever shave? |
| 00:44.54 | [Thom] | itguru: Send it from your old email address first saying "We're moving" then send one a month later saying "We've moved" |
| 00:44.58 | [Thom] | from the new address |
| 00:45.05 | muaddib | In regards to DNS has anyone every recieved this error on Bind 9 in-addr.arpa: not at top of zone |
| 00:45.12 | nse | dabreegster: got you! |
| 00:45.13 | rhys | B1GfOot, i basicly want a secure, cross platform NAS. thats the point of both os those right? |
| 00:45.32 | beardy | azeem: It happens. |
| 00:45.38 | dabreegster | nse: Hmm? |
| 00:45.42 | rhys | something i can just map to E: or /mnt/nethdd, with a password to access it |
| 00:45.44 | itguru | beardy: I'm just a bit confused, I don't want to get my new domain listed on those spam sites etc |
| 00:45.59 | B1GfOot | rhys: well as far as i know SMB is primarily for windows network sharing and NFS is for linux networking. |
| 00:46.10 | B1GfOot | anyone feel free to correct me if im wrong |
| 00:46.12 | pv2b | rhys: SMB isn't secure. neither is NFS. |
| 00:46.27 | B1GfOot | what would u use pv2b? |
| 00:46.29 | itguru | Thanks [Thom] and pv2b - I'm just scared that many people will just ignore it :( |
| 00:46.42 | rhys | pv2b, ive been talkign to google. i noticed. :( |
| 00:46.54 | beardy | itguru: Yeah, I was just kidding. whata [Thom] said sounds like a good idea. |
| 00:47.01 | pv2b | not sure what i'd use actually. i'm not really qualified to give advice in that area |
| 00:47.09 | B1GfOot | doh! |
| 00:47.10 | rhys | itguru, put in the subject, "ITS ME FUCKERS!" not many spam accounts use that |
| 00:47.10 | B1GfOot | lol |
| 00:47.12 | pv2b | i just know that neither SMB nor NFS are the solution if yo uwant something secure :-) |
| 00:47.22 | itguru | rhys: LOL - I like your way of thinking! |
| 00:47.41 | itguru | lol |
| 00:47.54 | rhys | itguru, well...i sure would read that if it was sent to me... |
| 00:47.54 | B1GfOot | so how do u network computers then? |
| 00:48.25 | azeem | itguru: so you don't plan to post to that list anymore, or how will you evade spambots? |
| 00:48.29 | rhys | B1GfOot, a can and a string? |
| 00:49.43 | B1GfOot | rhys: hahahah, I made a tin can phone last year. It had 4 cans attatched to the string. All of them could hear and talk. Sounds like a great idea |
| 00:49.46 | rhys | though, if i get an email in a year or so that has been bouncing around with that subject, i will laugh my ass off |
| 00:49.57 | B1GfOot | lol thats gonna be sweet |
| 00:50.24 | bulio | how can I make an iso from many files |
| 00:50.33 | bulio | I want to group them all together and turn them into an iso |
| 00:50.34 | cureless | bulio: mkisofs |
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| 00:50.41 | bulio | how do I use it? |
| 00:50.42 | beardy | bulio: man mkisofs |
| 00:50.49 | rhys | bulio , did you google it? or man it? |
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| 00:51.00 | cureless | bulio: or use some graphical program to do it for you like k3b |
| 00:51.17 | cureless | I'm sure gnome has something like that too |
| 00:51.20 | bulio | I think: |
| 00:51.29 | bulio | mkisofs filename path |
| 00:51.35 | rhys | usually i just use IRC to get the name of the command. so with the name, mkisofs, you shoiuld be able to get the man page to tell you everything else |
| 00:51.41 | beardy | Therefore you are |
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| 00:52.07 | beardy | !apropos |
| 00:52.07 | dpkg | apropos is probably a way to find man pages all around, and to find the program you are looking for, you can man -k <thingie> or apropos <thingie> and it will tell you the man items that match your <thingie> |
| 00:52.13 | cureless | usually I just use IRC to give people wrong or incomprehensible answers that confuse them so they don't come back |
| 00:52.35 | B1GfOot | !apt-get |
| 00:52.35 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 00:52.53 | azeem | cureless: that's fine as long as you're not doing it in here |
| 00:52.57 | rhys | cureless, your mean. :( |
| 00:52.58 | B1GfOot | hmmm brilliant |
| 00:53.14 | cureless | azeem: O |
| 00:53.26 | cureless | azeem: I've been here for years and nobody has noticed :-) |
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| 00:53.37 | rhys | so..NFS and SMB are bad. whats good? |
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| 00:54.00 | cureless | rhys: what do you want to do? just local file sharing? |
| 00:54.16 | beardy | rhys: Whichever does the job, in a way that you can live with. |
| 00:54.29 | rhys | theres no other alternatives? |
| 00:54.35 | B1GfOot | smb is a bit of a dick around i reckon |
| 00:54.39 | cureless | rhys: there are other alternatives, yes |
| 00:54.41 | beardy | rhys: Tell us what you want to do. |
| 00:54.44 | tao36 | does someone know why xfce4 loses app menu ! |
| 00:54.53 | tao36 | ? |
| 00:54.54 | sussudio_ | tao36: bunnies |
| 00:54.58 | rhys | fileshareing, but securely. encripted , or at least a password on the share that cant be broken with windows simplicity |
| 00:55.00 | cureless | rhys: the problem is normally on the windows part. You might want to look at webdav or some form of davfs |
| 00:55.08 | sussudio_ | tao36 on #debian #xubuntu |
| 00:55.11 | sussudio_ | ubunnies! |
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| 00:55.34 | tao36 | sussudio been there.. |
| 00:55.36 | tao36 | :( |
| 00:55.47 | cureless | rhys: there are other alternative network filesystems. Some people solve the problem by running smb/nfs over some secure link (vpn?). |
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| 00:55.53 | sussudio_ | tao36: this channel is for debian support, not ubuntu. |
| 00:56.12 | tao36 | xfce4 is ubuntu only? |
| 00:56.22 | cureless | tao36: what debian are you running? |
| 00:56.36 | tao36 | xubuntu... |
| 00:56.45 | cureless | tao36: which is not debian. |
| 00:56.46 | volve | hey all, what kernel is etch beta2 at right now? |
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| 00:56.56 | tao36 | im in an old pentium one |
| 00:56.58 | beardy | tao36: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:57.06 | azeem | beardy: 02:48 < tao36> xubuntu... |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | probably shouldn't use beta2 .. but a daily instead |
| 00:57.07 | beardy | tao36: #xubuntu then |
| 00:57.10 | cureless | tao36: if your question is about xfce you can try the xfce channel. |
| 00:57.23 | volve | abrotman: how come? Pretty busted? |
| 00:57.24 | rhys | davfs...hmmdedum |
| 00:57.33 | tao36 | that chanel doesnt exist.. |
| 00:57.38 | cureless | rhys: are you reading up on it? |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | volve: lots has changed .. besides .. it's still in development .. be nice if it messes up that you could provide feedback |
| 00:57.54 | volve | gotcha |
| 00:57.56 | rhys | and if anyone would like to check out where the AFS linux FAQ has moved too.. http://www.transarc.com/afs/ |
| 00:57.57 | cureless | tao36: google the web for a place to ask questions about xfce |
| 00:58.09 | volve | abrotman: so any idea what kernel is in the dailies? :) |
| 00:58.10 | astronaute | what rights i have to give to proftpd-mysql user for acces database, actually I only can do it with root, i would like to avaid that |
| 00:58.15 | abrotman | volve: 2.6.15 |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | there is a #xfce |
| 00:58.22 | tao36 | been there too.. |
| 00:58.23 | cureless | rhys: apt-cache search afs, read the docs |
| 00:58.32 | B1GfOot | !xfce |
| 00:58.32 | dpkg | [xfce] a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 00:58.36 | tao36 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/reviews/showproduct.php/product/607 |
| 00:58.38 | B1GfOot | !nfs |
| 00:58.38 | dpkg | methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 00:58.39 | volve | abrotman: score! thanks, was looking for >2.6.14 for the new 3ware 9590SE driver :) |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:58.52 | beardy | tao36: And you haven't thought about running a supported distribution yet? |
| 00:58.52 | tao36 | tthe problem is there.. |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | good thing you didn't use beta2 :) |
| 00:59.02 | B1GfOot | haahahahahahah |
| 00:59.10 | B1GfOot | dpkg has got nfs's number |
| 00:59.19 | volve | abrotman: indeed, you're always so helpful I'm glad I asked, thank you :D |
| 00:59.19 | tao36 | im trying to revive an old pentium one |
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| 00:59.28 | abrotman | volve: enjoy |
| 00:59.44 | rhys | ....wow. thank you dpkg! |
| 00:59.56 | rhys | linuxslut.net? |
| 00:59.56 | B1GfOot | hahahahaha :P |
| 00:59.58 | B1GfOot | !smb |
| 00:59.58 | dpkg | well, smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS, or Super Mario Brothers |
| 00:59.58 | sng | Awwwwww isn't that sweet. |
| 00:59.59 | cureless | tao36: you could use debian you know. |
| 01:00.00 | tao36 | and it works..only the desktop starts to decay..quikly.. |
| 01:00.05 | sng | abrotman: Guess what!!! |
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| 01:00.12 | beardy | Hehe |
| 01:00.13 | tao36 | what debian? |
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| 01:00.23 | ry | valv: get a second pentium and make a small beowulf |
| 01:00.27 | pv2b | is there a preferred way to get one single later version of a package installed on an otherwise stable debian system? |
| 01:00.28 | cureless | tao36: probably debian stable (sarge) |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | sng: you got laid? |
| 01:00.38 | rhys | wow. i lfooking love you dpkg |
| 01:00.43 | sng | abrotman: Better!! |
| 01:00.45 | beardy | pv2b: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:00.46 | B1GfOot | how good is it! :P |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | sng: you got fired? |
| 01:00.51 | pv2b | beardy: thank you. |
| 01:00.52 | rhys | !afs |
| 01:00.53 | dpkg | from memory, afs is a distributed file system with a common name space. the Andrew filesystem, or <afs> i heard maintaining AFS is a pain in the ass, or http://www.openafs.org/ |
| 01:00.56 | reilithion | X failed to start and dumped me at the command line. I'd start diagnosing the problem, but the screen is messed up. |
| 01:01.00 | sng | abrotman: They're going to start showing Pee Wee's playhouse!!! |
| 01:01.03 | rhys | ....maybe i dont |
| 01:01.07 | reilithion | It's only using about half, vertically, and on the right side is a copy of what's on the left |
| 01:01.11 | reilithion | everything's really tiny |
| 01:01.16 | B1GfOot | hahahahah is there any networking options in linux that arent a pain in the ass |
| 01:01.17 | abrotman | sng: damog will be happy |
| 01:01.18 | cureless | sng: and you're the single remaining Pee Wee fan? |
| 01:01.19 | reilithion | how can I reset the video to a sane resolution? |
| 01:01.28 | sng | abrotman: Yay! |
| 01:01.29 | rhys | roffle. B1GfOot, did you check linuxslut.net? awesome icon. |
| 01:01.30 | tao36 | i mean i have this pentium 1 233 mmx 64 mbytes that i want to recycle.. |
| 01:01.40 | cureless | B1GfOot: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:01.40 | tao36 | xubuntu seemed fine.. |
| 01:01.55 | tao36 | and actualy worked. |
| 01:02.00 | beardy | !d-i tao36 |
| 01:02.00 | dpkg | tao36, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:02.09 | ry | tao: run debian sarge or fc |
| 01:02.15 | tao36 | ok. |
| 01:02.24 | cureless | fc?? |
| 01:02.24 | B1GfOot | rhys: hahahah thats gold mate |
| 01:02.26 | amphi | ry: fc??? |
| 01:02.36 | B1GfOot | cureless: im just helpin rhys out, well tryin to |
| 01:02.41 | beardy | !tell tao36 -about ig |
| 01:02.44 | ry | take sarge if you don't mind not having the latest packages and fc if you want to test all the new stuff |
| 01:02.46 | ry | tao |
| 01:02.47 | rhys | yea. i wonder what dpkg does recommend for networking filesharing.. |
| 01:03.09 | beardy | ry: fc? |
| 01:03.17 | dvs | !filesharing |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | ry: why would you advocate a crappy distro in #debian ? |
| 01:03.32 | beardy | what the fuck? I hope you are not recommending a commercial crapdist, in here? |
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| 01:03.33 | tao36 | just want to salvage this machine from garbage.. |
| 01:03.44 | orgw | how do you uncompress tar.bz2 again |
| 01:03.50 | tao36 | and learn in the process.. |
| 01:03.58 | amphi | orgw: tar jxf |
| 01:04.02 | orgw | thanks |
| 01:04.03 | rhys | wow. ry is going to get raped. dont mention fc...:\ |
| 01:04.03 | beardy | tao36: Install Sarge. |
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| 01:04.12 | cureless | orgw: the long way or short way? tar xjf or pipe bunzip2 to tar |
| 01:04.12 | beardy | !tell tao36 -about reference |
| 01:04.13 | tao36 | ok |
| 01:04.29 | tao36 | !tell |
| 01:04.53 | orgw | cureless: shortway, always :) |
| 01:04.53 | rhys | i have a 6 second ping. suxors me. :( |
| 01:05.12 | ry | heh, probably should have saved that remark for a general linux chan... woops |
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| 01:05.23 | beardy | tao36: Read and follow what dpkg told you. |
| 01:05.36 | cureless | rhys: the problem with network filesystems is that you want them interoperable between OSs, and not all OSs agree on the networked filesystems |
| 01:05.39 | beardy | ry: ... |
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| 01:05.41 | tao36 | i hasnt looking at it.. :D |
| 01:05.56 | blocky | can someone help me figure out why dnsmasq is running so slowly? |
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| 01:06.34 | B1GfOot | rhys: i couldnt be screwed setting samba up, so all i do is create an ftp server and access it from the computers i need. Allows me to download and upload files from all computers with an ftp client |
| 01:06.43 | reilithion | How can I set video modes from console? |
| 01:06.57 | tao36 | gona take a ride bye!! |
| 01:07.00 | tao36 | :) |
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| 01:07.09 | abrotman | !drxx reilithion |
| 01:07.09 | dpkg | reilithion: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:07.22 | rhys | B1GfOot, plaintxt passwords |
| 01:07.23 | cureless | B1GfOot: why ftp? |
| 01:07.31 | beardy | reilithion: and if you're talking about fb, man fbset |
| 01:07.38 | B1GfOot | coz it was easy to set up |
| 01:07.46 | B1GfOot | and i dont know what else to use |
| 01:08.00 | B1GfOot | and it doesnt have to be secure on my home network |
| 01:08.06 | rhys | i dont know. i may try proftpd. if you enable ssl in vsftpd, it breaks chroot jails. |
| 01:08.09 | orgw | !pastebin |
| 01:08.09 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 01:08.20 | B1GfOot | !ftp |
| 01:08.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 01:08.29 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 01:08.29 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
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| 01:08.44 | pv2b | pastebin didn't work an hour or so ago |
| 01:08.46 | B1GfOot | hahahahah hmmm i think ill disable my ftp |
| 01:08.48 | astronaute | someoneplz tell me how to grant access to proftpd mysql access (im using root at the moment :/) |
| 01:08.51 | B1GfOot | well it is disabled actually |
| 01:08.53 | pv2b | don't know if it works beter now |
| 01:08.55 | dabreegster | But dpkg, most people don't like to be messaged! :P |
| 01:09.14 | rhys | B1GfOot , i think the solution to most of these is run them through SSH tunnel |
| 01:09.31 | orgw | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2972 |
| 01:09.31 | beardy | dabreegster: And they wont be, since you are meesaging him, not him messaging you. |
| 01:09.33 | orgw | anyone? |
| 01:09.39 | B1GfOot | yeah, however thats achieved |
| 01:09.40 | B1GfOot | lol |
| 01:09.51 | cureless | abrotman: buy low, sell high |
| 01:09.59 | B1GfOot | rhys: so what kind of solution u lookin at now? NFS through SSH? |
| 01:10.05 | orgw | what do i need? |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | cureless: no .. like .. how much interest will i pay |
| 01:10.19 | rhys | cureless , and everyone knows theres no lower buying price than free. :D or free by force. |
| 01:10.31 | rhys | B1GfOot, fook if i know. |
| 01:10.50 | B1GfOot | hahahah yeah me neither |
| 01:10.52 | cureless | orgw: at first glance, perl dev libraries |
| 01:10.57 | rhys | I have a 6 second ping to freenode. even with the fastest browser on earth, its hard to deal with 36k |
| 01:11.07 | orgw | cureless: what you mean? |
| 01:11.37 | beardy | abrotman: (pileofmoney * decimalinterestrate) * years, isn't that enough? |
| 01:11.40 | cureless | orgw: probably something like libperl-dev (guessing, but might be what you need) |
| 01:11.47 | reilithion | abrotman, I'm talking about outside of X. I'm having video mode issues at the command line |
| 01:11.53 | reilithion | X isn't running |
| 01:12.11 | rhys | B1GfOot, if your really curious, im on a home network of...noone. i actually dont care about security, since its only me in the house. but like when i go to a friends house, i play with him by breaking into anything i can get my hands on. |
| 01:12.11 | abrotman | reilithion: i know .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | beardy: nope |
| 01:12.26 | reilithion | ...ok |
| 01:12.31 | cureless | rhys: what kind of security do you need? |
| 01:12.35 | rhys | B1GfOot, hes not good enough with software to do the same to me, but eh. i like to laugh at him. |
| 01:12.47 | rhys | cureless, none. but i do this so when i need it i can set it up. |
| 01:13.04 | orgw | cureless: still givin me the same error |
| 01:13.15 | B1GfOot | rhys: hahahaha nice |
| 01:13.26 | cureless | orgw: after you installed the package? what are you compiling? does it have a configure? what debian are you running? |
| 01:14.03 | cureless | rhys: well, pick your battles. Install NFS, try it. Install SMB, try it. Install AFS or Coda, try it. Try davfs. |
| 01:14.12 | beardy | abrotman: Hmm, no, not if the pile is shrinking. Well, you'll figure it out, I'm gone *poff* |
| 01:14.20 | rhys | coda. |
| 01:14.22 | rhys | !davfs |
| 01:14.25 | B1GfOot | cureless: what would u reccomend? |
| 01:14.26 | rhys | !coda |
| 01:14.26 | dpkg | somebody said coda was at http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ or a distributed file system with cache and support for mobile computing |
| 01:14.27 | orgw | cureless: oh nevermind |
| 01:14.35 | orgw | cureless: it worked |
| 01:14.51 | rhys | mobile computing...hmmdeudm |
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| 01:15.08 | cureless | if you want to learn something from dpkg for yourself, don't ask dpkg in the channel, /msg dpkg |
| 01:15.10 | rhys | !webdav |
| 01:15.11 | dpkg | somebody said webdav was "Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning". It is a set of extensions to the HTTP protocol which allows users to collaboratively edit and manage files on remote web servers. |
| 01:15.15 | rhys | oh |
| 01:15.16 | rhys | sorry |
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| 01:15.29 | rhys | kk |
| 01:15.30 | bulio | whats the path to python 2.3 on debian? |
| 01:15.39 | cureless | /usr/bin/python? |
| 01:16.09 | cureless | or python2.3 if you want to explicitly use that. |
| 01:16.42 | rhys | though i am curious, what is with carnige-mellon university. ive seen so many things designed by them, software wise. clever guys |
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| 01:17.47 | polishkoop | how do I properly get rid of my debian 2.6 kernel because I wan't to stick with my 2.4. I have both working with GRUB as of now. |
| 01:17.57 | ry | did you install them with apt? |
| 01:18.00 | ry | or aptitude |
| 01:18.09 | ry | or any package manager for that matter? |
| 01:18.14 | polishkoop | ry: if you are talking to me... i believe i did yes. |
| 01:18.25 | ry | okay, so then apt-get remove kernel |
| 01:18.27 | reilithion | abrotman, no good. reconfigured xserver-xorg, chose mainly defaults (since I couldn't see what they were), it found my video card just fine, but it's still setting the crazy vid mode and failing to start |
| 01:18.30 | ry | should do the job |
| 01:18.36 | ry | pollish |
| 01:18.38 | polishkoop | ry: i tried that, but on my grub loader it still has that option |
| 01:18.46 | ry | oh, then edit your menu.lst |
| 01:18.49 | polishkoop | ry: i actually never tried loading it up... it might not work |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | reilithion: need more details .. check your X log |
| 01:19.13 | reilithion | I would if I could see it |
| 01:19.17 | ry | polishcoop: it shouldn't load up, so then edit your menu.lst file to get rid of the offending option from the boot screen |
| 01:19.18 | B1GfOot | !mario |
| 01:19.18 | dpkg | i guess mario is the main character in Super Mario Bros. |
| 01:19.25 | reilithion | How can I reset the vid mode for the console? |
| 01:19.25 | polishkoop | ry: oh okay, thanks |
| 01:19.38 | ry | no prob, tell me how it goes if you get the chance polishcoop |
| 01:19.43 | cureless | rhys: there are a few universities that have done a lot for CS. Just look at the top computer science and engineering schools and you'll see many known names. Sometimes you might not know it but things you're using right now came from those places. Like X, or sockets, or virtual memory techniques, etc. |
| 01:19.54 | ry | you might want to read the grub manpages too |
| 01:19.55 | dabreegster | reilithion: SVGATextMode. Or if your terminal is just weird with odd characters, try reset |
| 01:20.04 | B1GfOot | !dir |
| 01:20.04 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo |
| 01:20.10 | dvs | cureless: Who's rhys? |
| 01:20.18 | rhys | dvs, ME! |
| 01:20.23 | dvs | OK |
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| 01:22.02 | B1GfOot | woah don't type he into dpkg, he gets weird |
| 01:22.04 | B1GfOot | !he |
| 01:22.05 | dpkg | somebody said he was alone in the house left to him by the death of his parents, even though he's only feet away from the sister he's always been much closer than to anyone else. From his hidden room, he views life through concealed video cameras. Life is only real to him when he sees it on a monitor, and on most of those monitors is his sister. |
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| 01:22.24 | rhys | whoa. |
| 01:22.28 | B1GfOot | wtf? |
| 01:22.29 | B1GfOot | lol |
| 01:22.52 | rhys | thats.....yea...who the hell coded dpkg? |
| 01:22.53 | polishkoop | tv: when i got rid of them, i did update-grub and it added 2.6 to the list again so I guess the kernel is still on my system in some way. |
| 01:23.05 | B1GfOot | i mean not lol, i mean heh. dpkg says lol is bad |
| 01:23.06 | B1GfOot | !lol |
| 01:23.07 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:23.15 | rhys | is he open source? as in, can i see the source to the bot? |
| 01:23.25 | B1GfOot | better be! |
| 01:23.27 | B1GfOot | lol |
| 01:23.33 | pv2b | dpkg, blootbot? |
| 01:23.34 | dpkg | somebody said blootbot was a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 01:23.36 | dabreegster | rhys: Pretty sure anyone can add factoids |
| 01:23.56 | ry | try removing the headers |
| 01:24.00 | ry | polishcoop |
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| 01:24.24 | rhys | B1GfOot, is that what youve been doing all this time? playing with dpkg? |
| 01:24.27 | bvs | !factinfo he |
| 01:24.27 | dpkg | he -- created by laurens__ <n=laurens@213-193-182-46.adsl.easynet.be> at Mon Oct 31 17:56:27 2005 (240 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by B1GfOot, 2m 23s ago. |
| 01:24.30 | B1GfOot | he he he, maybe |
| 01:25.06 | B1GfOot | hahahahaha woah dpkg knows me |
| 01:25.12 | polishkoop | ry: how do di do that? |
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| 01:25.38 | B1GfOot | !factinfo jump |
| 01:25.39 | dpkg | jump -- created by mikecd <fenris@24.22.184.76> at Fri Feb 16 20:59:56 2001 (1958 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by B1GfOot, 56s ago. |
| 01:25.44 | B1GfOot | hahahahah |
| 01:25.54 | rhys | .... |
| 01:26.02 | rhys | does debian actually come with porn-get? |
| 01:26.20 | dabreegster | rhys: It's not in the offical repository |
| 01:26.22 | B1GfOot | !porn-get |
| 01:26.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 01:27.43 | amphi | rhys: OTOH, pornview is packaged |
| 01:27.54 | cplx_ | The problem is that |
| 01:27.56 | rhys | pornview? |
| 01:27.56 | cplx_ | your web server which hosts our website does not execute the macro to |
| 01:28.03 | polishkoop | ry: would i hvae to do a system search and get rid of every 2.6 thing manually? |
| 01:28.18 | rhys | lol |
| 01:28.19 | cplx_ | The problem is that your web server which hosts our website does not execute the macro to |
| 01:28.19 | cplx_ | send the emails. It kills them as spam so they never get sent. Your web server is set up not to forward emails from a foreign address. So when |
| 01:28.20 | cplx_ | someone submits an application on our website the mail engine does not send it, it just kills it. |
| 01:28.25 | amphi | rhys: apt-cache show pornview |
| 01:28.26 | cplx_ | can someone make sense of that? |
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| 01:30.53 | rhys | hmm. my computer is named poseidon, my firewall and gateway is hermes, so my fileserver will be aphrodite, because shes a whore. |
| 01:31.09 | nweman | how to set up a non-root user for mysql5.0? i use mysqladmin. when i choose 'User Administration' fr the menu, i was told to 'Pleas Wait.." forever, it seems. |
| 01:31.10 | dvs | what about hera? |
| 01:31.42 | rhys | yea but she didnt put out (files in this case) to everyone on the network |
| 01:31.49 | cplx_ | http://pastebin.ca/74459 - can someone take a look at this, and point me in the right direction please |
| 01:31.51 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:32.18 | smacnay | Does anyone actually use cpio for backups? |
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| 01:33.27 | sandman | Should the mysql root user share the same password as the system's root account? Or would this be unwise |
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| 01:33.35 | sandman | It seems to me it would be unwise, but easier to remember. |
| 01:33.48 | LinuxNIT | is there a module for this? CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1410 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) |
| 01:34.11 | Qb3rt | what is the minimal graphical package for debian?? |
| 01:34.41 | dvs | Qb3rt: Graphical package? You mean Window Manager? |
| 01:35.06 | Qb3rt | yes like gnome |
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| 01:35.28 | dvs | Qb3rt: I've hear xfce is good |
| 01:35.33 | dvs | *heard |
| 01:35.34 | reilithion | I'm trying fbset. I executed "fbset -xres 1024 -yres 768". Nothing happened. Do I need to run another command to apply the settings or something? |
| 01:35.36 | rhys | so is lesbian linux a modified debian? or jsut a package for debian |
| 01:36.11 | nweman | no mysql-5.0 expert around? |
| 01:36.14 | Qb3rt | nice ill try that! thx |
| 01:36.24 | dvs | yw |
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| 01:37.30 | carol | can i configure a pci nvidia card in debian unstable? |
| 01:37.49 | abrotman | sure .. why not |
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| 01:37.54 | nweman | sandman: i would think so too. |
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| 01:38.15 | Etchmen | How can i get my printer going in koffice? |
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| 01:38.50 | nweman | how to set up a non-root user for mysql5.0? i use mysqladmin. when i choose 'User Administration' fr the menu, i was told to 'Pleas Wait.." forever, it seems. |
| 01:39.22 | nweman | sandman: u know the answer to my question. |
| 01:39.36 | stew | nweman: lookup the "grant" statement |
| 01:40.13 | nweman | stew: lookup fr where? |
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| 01:41.24 | nweman | stew: u mean the sql command? but i am using the mysqladmin gui. |
| 01:41.29 | zzxzx | SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT56:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+SSLv2:+EXP |
| 01:41.37 | zzxzx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.49 | cplx_ | http://pastebin.ca/74459 - can someone take a look at this, and point me in the right direction please |
| 01:45.08 | nweman | stew: ? |
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| 01:46.30 | reilithion | fbset -a -xres (whatever) -yres (whatever) isn't changing anything. Why? And how do I make my screen readable again? |
| 01:46.55 | rhys | damnit |
| 01:46.56 | rhys | bad hdd |
| 01:46.59 | rhys | and i dont want to chang eit |
| 01:47.01 | rhys | :() |
| 01:47.44 | pinky_ | On a testing install I accidentally have "xlibmesa-gl" at version 7.0 but "xlibosmesa4" which depends on xlibmesa-gl is still on the 6.9 version, and APT just complains that xlibosmesa4 and xlibosmesa-dev are broken |
| 01:47.52 | pinky_ | What should I do about that? Any suggestions? |
| 01:48.13 | pinky_ | The end result is that I have some X.Org packages at 6.9 and some at 7.0 so X11 is broken right now |
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| 01:49.05 | pinky_ | But APT won't let me uninstall xlibosmesa4 I think because it notices that the dependancy for having xlibmesa-gl installed is not met |
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| 01:50.03 | xwind_ | how do i find out which ports are open in my server? |
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| 01:51.29 | cplx_ | Hello, can someone please assist me with an urgent issue.. |
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| 01:51.55 | bulio | whats the command to use mkisofs |
| 01:51.56 | linux2 | can anyone suggest to me good software to make a logo for a website? |
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| 01:52.08 | linux2 | i have been messing around with the gimp but can't get anything i like |
| 01:52.09 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 01:52.11 | rhys | bulio, man mkisofs |
| 01:53.08 | cplx_ | This is my issue, please see: http://pastebin.ca/74459 |
| 01:53.39 | pinky_ | xwind_: Have you tried using a port scanner? |
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| 01:54.28 | bulio | i dont understand |
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| 01:54.40 | bulio | bulio@pybox:~$ mkisofs -o /home/bulio/ibuild/neonix/release Nlinux.is |
| 01:54.43 | bulio | .iso |
| 01:54.47 | bulio | that doesnt work |
| 01:55.37 | xwind_ | pinky_ can u point me to a portscan facility/utility? |
| 01:56.04 | pinky_ | xwind_: apt-get install nmap |
| 01:56.14 | Etchmen | kde and Cups ,,adding printer not working? |
| 01:56.14 | xwind_ | thanks. |
| 01:56.35 | Zerial | bulio, -o is output |
| 01:56.46 | Zerial | -o Nlinux.iso /path/ |
| 01:56.57 | pinky_ | xwind_: Also, the packages called "knmap" and "nmapfe" are two different GUI frontends for Nmap you may want to check out if you don't like the CLI too much. |
| 01:57.19 | bulio | Zerial: I want to create a .iso |
| 01:57.22 | bulio | from a bunch of files |
| 01:57.37 | Zerial | bulio, mkisofs -o Image.iso /path/of/your/directory |
| 01:57.44 | xwind_ | i don't have gui on my server. and btw, can nmap do a scan from the inside? i mean, scan itself? |
| 01:57.57 | Zerial | ex: mkisofs -o Nlinux.iso /home/bulio/ibuild/neonix/release/ |
| 01:58.13 | xwind_ | it's now installed and am reading the manual. |
| 01:58.21 | bulio | Zerial: it writes 1mb |
| 01:58.41 | bulio | nvm |
| 01:58.59 | Zerial | bulio, try with -J maybe, mkiso -J -o Nlinux.iso /home/bulio/..... |
| 01:59.18 | Zerial | *mkisofs |
| 01:59.40 | pinky_ | xwind_: I'm not sure off the top of my head, I usually use it to scan another machine, but you can try scanning localhost, ie 127.0.0.1 |
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| 02:00.00 | pinky_ | xwind_: Also, I'm sure it'll tell you how in the manual... |
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| 02:00.09 | sandman | What's the difference between the MySQL root user and the "normal" root user as mentioned in the documentation? |
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| 02:00.26 | jerware | fellaz |
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| 02:01.01 | jerware | where can i find an english dictionary, text file, that provided the part of speach as well (noun, adjective, verb) |
| 02:01.03 | stew | sandman: perhaps one is the system root account? |
| 02:01.05 | sandman | Is that just the difference between the system's root user? |
| 02:01.13 | sandman | stew: Aye, that's what I was figuring. |
| 02:01.40 | sandman | And the debian-sys-maint password I should leave alone |
| 02:03.08 | xwind_ | nmap scan ok. Looks like a debian install opens only ports 22, 80, 111, and 113. I am trying to install a dns on my server, how do i open port 53? |
| 02:04.13 | cplx_ | can someone help me out with an issue.. like assist me on where to start - http://pastebin.ca/74459 |
| 02:04.26 | pinky_ | 111? What's 111 for... |
| 02:04.46 | amphi | pinky_: grep 111 /etc/services |
| 02:04.50 | xwind_ | rpcbind |
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| 02:05.01 | predder | Can I use dpkg to query what version of something it installed? if so how? |
| 02:05.13 | amphi | xwind_: have something listen on 53 |
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| 02:05.38 | xwind_ | aaah, so if nobody listens to it then it is closed. |
| 02:05.50 | abrotman | predder: man dpkg |
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| 02:06.32 | xwind_ | puzzles me. tinydns/djbdns is installed and running but somehow port 53 is still closed. |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | firewall? |
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| 02:07.15 | donpaolo | Hi guys! There are moment in my testing system when the gnome system monitor shows me a 100% continous usage of the cpu, while in the same moment top show almost all the processes inactive, and one or two using 2-3% of the processor. Why this difference? |
| 02:07.58 | stew | donpaolo: is gnome-system-monitor showing 100% cpu usage, or system load? |
| 02:08.19 | donpaolo | Stew 100% cpu usage |
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| 02:08.58 | haris_ | hi guys; if I have a key that xev doesn't seem to detect, is there anything else I can realistically do? |
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| 02:09.00 | donpaolo | stew, and top is showing about 4.7% cpu usage |
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| 02:11.28 | stew | donpaolo: id run "vmstat 1" and see if there is lots of io |
| 02:11.36 | sandman | Is there a good configuration utility for apache? |
| 02:11.43 | predder | vi? :) |
| 02:11.55 | stew | donpaolo: see if si or so is non-zero and see if bi or bo is constantly high. ignore the first line |
| 02:11.57 | sandman | lol I meant something comparable to mysql-admin, for isntance. |
| 02:12.06 | abrotman | sandman: httpd.apache.org .. start reading |
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| 02:14.18 | spik | A .deb is the program all packaged up? |
| 02:14.21 | donpaolo | stew, now I am not in that situation, but I think it's so: the 100% cpu usage is in a momente where a backuppc server connects to my pc (its client) and runs rsync in order to prepare a incremental backup |
| 02:14.27 | donpaolo | stew, here it is: |
| 02:16.12 | spik | When I add an respitory I add this to my souces.list :'deb url text1 text2' correct? |
| 02:16.14 | donpaolo | (waiting for pastebin to upload...) |
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| 02:16.39 | stew | !pastebin.com |
| 02:16.39 | dpkg | pastebin.com has been horribly slow lately, please use http://channels.debian.net/paste or http://pastebin.ca instead |
| 02:16.39 | spik | what does text1 and text2 mean? |
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| 02:17.20 | donpaolo | stew: http://pastebin.ca/74483 |
| 02:18.03 | dvs | spik: the classification of packages. main packages meet Debian's versions of "free". contrib packages rely on packages that are not "free" and nonfree are... well... not free |
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| 02:18.42 | stew | spik: the first is which "release" aka sarge or etch or stable or testing, the second is which repositories for the arch which can be "main" for debian "main contrib non-free" to also include non-free software packaged for debian |
| 02:19.05 | spik | ohh |
| 02:19.19 | spik | lets say I have www.respiroy.com right? |
| 02:19.40 | spik | it has a bunch of free and non-free software |
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| 02:20.21 | spik | if I ONLY want to see the free software I add 'deb respirory.com stable main' right? |
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| 02:20.52 | dvs | spik: yup |
| 02:21.10 | godmachine81 | where is the libflashplayer.so normally located? i see its enabled in my firefox when i do about:plugins.. i looked in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and its not there.. i also tried locate libflashplayer.so and it doesnt find it.. |
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| 02:21.29 | stew | spik: yes, but it should be http://respirory.com or ftp://respirory.com |
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| 02:21.58 | spik | if I put main contrib non-free, I get to see all of the software that they provide? |
| 02:22.20 | spik | so stew, shouldn't I just put 'main contrib non-free' for all of my respitories? |
| 02:22.37 | stew | spik: if its an official debian mirror, yes. if its some other third party mirror, who knows. for instance ubuntu has "muliverse and universe and restricted"... |
| 02:22.43 | stew | spik: that is up to you |
| 02:22.48 | dvs | spik: not all repositories have contrib and nonfree |
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| 02:22.55 | RHyS_RHaVeN | whoa |
| 02:22.57 | RHyS_RHaVeN | shit |
| 02:23.01 | RHyS_RHaVeN | when did i get disconnected |
| 02:23.10 | dvs | RHyS_RHaVeN: stoned? is that you? |
| 02:23.15 | rhys | no.. |
| 02:23.17 | rhys | tis me |
| 02:23.27 | rhys | thats twice you dont know who i am dvs |
| 02:23.28 | dvs | heh |
| 02:23.32 | rhys | that is getting annying |
| 02:23.47 | rhys | but i found this, and dont ask me -how- i found it. |
| 02:23.48 | rhys | http://squishy.cc/blog/ |
| 02:23.56 | rhys | read the top post. whats that about? |
| 02:24.39 | spik | wow, I'm finially getting this .deb thing |
| 02:24.46 | spik | I'm so used to emerge + ebuilds |
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| 02:24.54 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:25.25 | spik | dvs what's with the o_O ? |
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| 02:26.32 | rhys | So apparently last night, Freenode was compromised. Even worse, there’s the potential that passwords were compromised. |
| 02:26.40 | pinky_ | spik: Think about it like this: at the bottom there's dpkg actually installing the .deb packages, and APT is a frontend for dpkg handling dependencies (apt-get), and then aptitude is an ncurses-based frontend for APT that provides a powerful way of browsing your installed packages and other available packages in your configured repositories. |
| 02:26.41 | rhys | ??? |
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| 02:27.00 | stew | rhys: several nights ago. as it says in the topic, we recommend you change your nickserv password |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | rhys: go tell #freenode |
| 02:27.34 | pinky_ | spik: There's also Synaptic which is another frontend for APT that, unlike aptitude, is a GUI frontend. |
| 02:27.46 | rhys | hmm |
| 02:27.47 | rhys | i see |
| 02:27.52 | donpaolo | stew, did you see my paste? |
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| 02:29.08 | stew | donpaolo: yeah, your wa is high, which means you have lots of processes which are waiting on io. |
| 02:29.54 | donpaolo | stew, but is this a real cpu usage? and why doesn't top show it? |
| 02:29.58 | stew | donpaolo: too many things want to do stuff with your hard disks at once |
| 02:30.33 | stew | donpaolo: no, its not real cpu usage, its lots of processes that would be doing something if they could but they can't becuase they can't get their turn with the disks |
| 02:30.55 | donpaolo | Stew: supposedly it's rsync... |
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| 02:31.48 | shadow98 | anybody on that can help me with setting up an ssh proxy |
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| 02:38.20 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:38.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:42.22 | Mithenks | apt-get moo -> rotfl |
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| 02:42.55 | Mithenks | there are more of this? |
| 02:43.36 | aliasnexus0 | Is there anyway to change the resolution for just the command line output? I'm not using X at all. |
| 02:43.38 | rhys | what is moo? |
| 02:44.05 | ChakRa | ~___~ |
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| 02:45.02 | cougar` | Dammit |
| 02:45.11 | cougar` | now I gotta go havin' fun with mount command |
| 02:45.28 | tenzing_ | hi did apt-get dist-upgrade and now cannot start x.. help.. |
| 02:46.37 | abrotman | show error! |
| 02:46.53 | Mithenks | rhys: try apt-get moo |
| 02:46.53 | Mithenks | :D |
| 02:47.35 | Mithenks | tenzing_: tryed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
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| 02:49.24 | tenzing_ | Mithenks: when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. i get error saying "perl : warning : setting locale failed' |
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| 02:51.21 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 02:51.52 | Mithenks | yep |
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| 02:53.38 | tenzing_ | same error "perl:warning setting locales failed" |
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| 02:54.16 | Mithenks | check you LC_ALL variable |
| 02:54.17 | reilithion | abrotman, could the line "Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!" have anything to do with X aborting? |
| 02:54.22 | Mithenks | echo $LC_ALL |
| 02:54.24 | reilithion | There are others like it |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | reilithion: doubtful |
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| 02:55.11 | tenzing_ | echo $LC_ALL gives a blank line output |
| 02:55.25 | Mithenks | LC_ALL=C; export $LC_ALL |
| 02:55.27 | Mithenks | try this |
| 02:55.32 | reilithion | What should I look for in the Xorg.log file then? |
| 02:55.40 | Mithenks | LC_ALL=C; export LC_ALL |
| 02:55.41 | Mithenks | sorry |
| 02:55.54 | Mithenks | reilithion: grep -i err |
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| 02:57.20 | reilithion | I come up with this line: "(EE) I810(0): [dri] I830DRIScreenInit failed because of a version mismatch." |
| 02:58.04 | reilithion | That's the only EE line in the file |
| 02:58.45 | reilithion | I have no idea what it means. |
| 02:59.15 | stew | !dw reilithion Xorg69To7 |
| 02:59.15 | dpkg | reilithion: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 03:00.49 | jd|laptop | has anyone had problems with an eGeforce 6200 and nvidia drivers with X11R7? |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | is this like an emachine ? |
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| 03:01.08 | jd|laptop | no, it's an eVGA video card |
| 03:01.25 | abrotman | asg: umbrella hat? |
| 03:01.29 | stew | heh |
| 03:01.30 | asg | abrotman: better |
| 03:01.40 | jd|laptop | the nv drivers work, but the accelerated ones freeze hard when a window manager starts (gdm works fine though) |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | asg: Can i be secret agent Lance? |
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| 03:02.04 | asg | abrotman: only if I can be Secret Squirrel |
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| 03:02.19 | abrotman | was that hte name of tha tshow? |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | with Mata Hairy ? |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | http://imdb.com/title/tt0065309/ |
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| 03:03.13 | tenzing_ | Mithenks: it doesnt seem to work .. is there any way to undo the apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:03.42 | samuel | anyone know how to enable opengl accel on intel 855? |
| 03:03.44 | abrotman | it was on nickelodeon or something when i was a kid |
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| 03:04.30 | samuel | i get a problem stating dri needs i915 v1.4, but has v1.3.2 - any way to fix this? |
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| 03:05.51 | stew | !dw samuel Xorg69To7 |
| 03:05.51 | dpkg | samuel: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 03:05.53 | samuel | the modules that are included with libgl1-mesa-dri can i load them into the kernel? or are they a different type of modules? |
| 03:06.11 | stew | samuel: they are a different type of modules |
| 03:06.20 | samuel | i see |
| 03:07.18 | samuel | stew, thanks for the link! |
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| 03:09.33 | wils0n_ | Anybody know why when i hit home/end in vi in a screen session it results in \nF or \nH ?? |
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| 03:20.01 | netdaemon | can any of you guys link me to documentation on making debian packages after building from source? |
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| 03:22.02 | rhys | netdaemon, checkinstall |
| 03:22.04 | rhys | google it |
| 03:22.20 | rhys | makes slack, rpm, and deb |
| 03:22.42 | rhys | and i dont know if this is pathetic, but ive been reading everything2 for almost an hour.. |
| 03:23.08 | rhys | did you know the praetorian guard killed a flamboyently gay emperor? |
| 03:23.21 | netdaemon | hm, i'll look into it |
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| 03:23.46 | rhys | brb |
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| 03:25.43 | tonsofpcs | evening all |
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| 03:26.47 | rhys | evening |
| 03:26.53 | rhys | night* |
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| 03:27.18 | Samus_Aran | how does Debian determine the library search path ? |
| 03:28.25 | amphi | Samus_Aran: /etc/ld.so.config |
| 03:29.13 | wils0n_ | Samus_Aran: man ld.so |
| 03:29.32 | wils0n_ | there's several levls |
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| 03:30.01 | h00t | i just want to thank everyone who helped me this past week to set up the nvidia driver ... i finally did it |
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| 03:30.36 | h00t | now ... can anyone tell me how to set my screen resolution to 1680 x 1050 for my WXGA |
| 03:30.46 | h00t | can linux run widescreen |
| 03:30.57 | tulely | how come lilo can read the sata disk enough to get to boot but then bombs because the sata driver is bad? |
| 03:31.25 | stew | tulely: by using the bios |
| 03:31.46 | stew | (would be my guess) |
| 03:31.47 | wils0n_ | tulely: Lilo doesnt use the same driver as the kernel |
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| 03:32.13 | stew | clearly it doesn't use the kernel to read from the disk to load the kernel |
| 03:32.44 | h00t | anyone |
| 03:32.48 | tulely | if lilo can read the disk - then why doesn't the kernel use that driver? |
| 03:32.52 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 03:32.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 03:33.13 | wils0n_ | tulely: the lilo driver is very primitive.. minimilisitc.. |
| 03:33.14 | stew | tulely: becuase it would be slow and you wouldn't be able to talk to the entire disk, only a portion of it |
| 03:33.36 | Gnea | lilo has a driver? |
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| 03:34.01 | wils0n_ | depends on how you define "driver" |
| 03:34.01 | stew | no |
| 03:34.06 | Gnea | "pardon me, do you have any grey poupon?" ;) |
| 03:34.08 | Samus_Aran | h00t: check in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XF86Config or XF86Config-4, should have the resolutions at the bottom |
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| 03:34.48 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.50 | dn4 | any ideaS? |
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| 03:35.02 | Gnea | dn4: ignore it and move on |
| 03:35.07 | stew | dn4: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 03:35.21 | h00t | Samus_Aran, hey you like metroid |
| 03:35.29 | astronaute | does -R modifies group for all files in folder : chgrp ? |
| 03:35.32 | h00t | i have both for GC ... looove that game |
| 03:36.11 | stew | astronaute: yes |
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| 03:36.48 | astronaute | thx =) |
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| 03:38.19 | h00t | so i checked and I have XF86Config-4 and I see the resolutions at the bottom ... can i just add mine and it'll work |
| 03:38.22 | Samus_Aran | h00t: indeed |
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| 03:39.01 | h00t | ok |
| 03:39.01 | Samus_Aran | h00t: haven't had a chance to play the GC version yet. if I get a TV or TV capture card sometime, I'll rent the game. unless GC's can plug into a CRT .. |
| 03:39.26 | tulely | i've see a lot you people's nicks around freenode for a while - does anyone have any problem with the continued deeper penetration of selinux into the 2.6.17/18 kernel? |
| 03:40.19 | Samus_Aran | h00t: it can't hurt to try. if the resolution is not supported by the monitor auto-detection, it will be ignored |
| 03:40.38 | Samus_Aran | h00t: in the rare event that the mode "works" but you can't see your monitor anymore, log in on a TTY and remove it |
| 03:40.44 | h00t | Samus_Aran, I only played the GB and GC version ... and they are all absolutely amazing you can buy one of these http://www.lik-sang.com/list.php?category=221& |
| 03:41.08 | h00t | how do i log in TTY ... |
| 03:41.28 | Samus_Aran | h00t: Ctrl+Alt+F1 to F6. F7 is the first X (graphical) server |
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| 03:42.05 | tonsofpcs | <3 lik sang |
| 03:42.23 | Samus_Aran | h00t: if the mode doesn't work, it probably means that X doesn't know the specs for your monitor (vertical and horizontal refresh), in which case you will need to add that information to the XF86Config-4 file |
| 03:42.39 | Gnea | tulely: i don't see a problem, it's not mandatory |
| 03:42.50 | tonsofpcs | what game are we talking about? |
| 03:42.57 | tulely | the hooks and lots of code are deep in the kernel |
| 03:43.04 | tulely | they get compiled |
| 03:43.07 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: metroid |
| 03:43.13 | tonsofpcs | ah, gotta love Justin Bailey |
| 03:43.20 | Gnea | tulely: only by choice. |
| 03:43.35 | tulely | no - the hooks are compiled no matter what |
| 03:43.44 | tulely | linux/security.h |
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| 03:44.38 | Gnea | tulely: hooks mean nothing if the module isn't loaded |
| 03:45.08 | tulely | do you have libselinux? rename it - and then try logging into tty2 or tty3 |
| 03:45.20 | tulely | don't log out of tty1 |
| 03:45.46 | Gnea | tulely: i'm sorry, that would provide what? |
| 03:45.48 | tulely | don't forget to rename it back to it's original name or you won't be able to log in |
| 03:46.23 | h00t | Samus_Aran, my monitor is LCD ... so no refresh |
| 03:46.40 | tulely | to show that you _do_ have selinux compiled in even though you think you have chosen not to |
| 03:46.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:47.02 | Gnea | so... what's the problem? |
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| 03:47.51 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:48.48 | stew | tulely: so what you are saying is that if you install a pakcage and start moving the libs around, you break stuff? |
| 03:49.15 | h00t | Samus_Aran, I'll be right back we'll se if it'll work |
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| 03:49.32 | Gnea | stew: i think he's trying to say that the NSA is trying to take control of debian |
| 03:49.36 | stew | tulely: boot an old install of slink running kernel 2.0 and rm /etc/pam.d/login and OMG you can't login anymore! |
| 03:50.35 | tem- | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-June/047488.html |
| 03:50.37 | tulely | if you don't have selinux installed then why would renaming it's lib affect login? - i don't want to get politcal - but |
| 03:50.37 | tem- | DCC SEND LILO_IS_A_FUCKING_FRAUD 0 0 0 |
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| 03:50.43 | shogunx | Gnea or more to the point, the kernel itself. |
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| 03:51.12 | asg | stew: when did you get ops? :) |
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| 03:51.37 | Gnea | heh |
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| 03:51.40 | stew | asg: around memorial day |
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| 03:51.43 | Gnea | !beer stew |
| 03:51.50 | asg | stew: ah. congratz |
| 03:51.52 | stew | asg: so don't mess! :P |
| 03:54.02 | tulely | surely some of you don't want this kind of code in the kernel? |
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| 03:54.43 | stew | tulely: the beauty is that you are welcome to change it yourself |
| 03:54.49 | asg | tulely: we could always run OpenBSD |
| 03:55.26 | tulely | asg - or 2.4.32 - |
| 03:55.46 | asg | tulely: I do run 2.4.x + grsec patches |
| 03:56.06 | tulely | nice |
| 03:56.28 | tulely | do you have it on 64 bit? |
| 03:56.50 | asg | tulely: no, only 32 bit right now |
| 03:57.28 | tulely | 2.6 has wonderful scheduler and real good 64 bit and lots of drivers - but 2.4 is the 'secure kernel' |
| 03:57.39 | Gnea | dude, that's some fucked up shit about lilo |
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| 03:59.12 | shogunx | what happened? |
| 03:59.48 | tenzing_ | how can i upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6.15 |
| 04:00.55 | deadcat | tenzing_: sure |
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| 04:01.34 | tenzing_ | deadcat: i mean how can i do that.... ? |
| 04:01.39 | deadcat | tenzing_: apt-get |
| 04:02.33 | tenzing_ | deadcat: what is the package name for 2.6.15? |
| 04:02.36 | kamoricks | Kernel 2.6 rejects modules not built with the exact version of gcc that it was. Now, I'm using gcc 4.1, my kernel was build using gcc 4.0. So I can't install my drivers until I make my own kernel... How would I go about doing this? |
| 04:02.49 | deadcat | tenzing_: apt-cache search 2.6 |
| 04:02.50 | asg | kamoricks: ues gcc 4.0 |
| 04:03.02 | asg | kamoricks: you can have more than one compiler version on your system |
| 04:03.12 | kamoricks | asg: And they're seperated in apt and all that? |
| 04:04.01 | kamoricks | Ah, I seem to have it. Cool. |
| 04:04.41 | kamoricks | Doh. That was easy. Thanks. |
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| 04:06.08 | Jimjam | Hey |
| 04:06.26 | Jimjam | I got a bit of a problem! |
| 04:06.30 | sortadi | has somebody around installed Debian on sun sparc servers with dummy terminals attached to it? |
| 04:06.42 | Jimjam | This debian machine is hanging at : IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 04:06.48 | Jimjam | Any idea what that is about? |
| 04:08.06 | shogunx | sortadi, not on sparc. on alpha, x86, power5 and x86_64 though. |
| 04:08.42 | sortadi | shogunx: ok nice, but i need info on this particular architecture |
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| 04:08.58 | shogunx | sortadi, like what? |
| 04:08.59 | sortadi | we, in our college, have a sun server with terminals attached to it |
| 04:09.01 | kamoricks | I just reinstalled the NVIDIA driver twice from their .run file, anyone have ideas why it can't find the GLX module, if I said "yes" to everything involving config and I can see exactly where it is? |
| 04:09.06 | sortadi | dummy terminals |
| 04:09.17 | shogunx | sortadi, like vt100's or sunrays? |
| 04:09.23 | sortadi | shogunx: info on how to do the install and such |
| 04:09.31 | sortadi | shogunx: sunrays |
| 04:10.04 | shogunx | sortadi, and you want to make the sunrays work from a debian server? |
| 04:10.18 | shogunx | ok |
| 04:10.35 | sortadi | shogunx: exactly |
| 04:11.07 | shogunx | sortadi, most x11 terms use bootp, tftp, and xdmcp. some mount filesystems via nfs. some do arp lookups. |
| 04:11.35 | sortadi | shogunx: ok |
| 04:12.20 | shogunx | sortadi, can you get the term to boot and ask the server for an address? tcpdump and particularly ngrep are handy for putting together that type of connection/ |
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| 04:12.44 | master_medic | hello |
| 04:12.48 | sortadi | shogunx: what i mostly need is a reference guide or such |
| 04:12.51 | master_medic | I need help getting my wireless adapter working on debian |
| 04:12.57 | sortadi | shogunx: to start reading about the subject |
| 04:13.47 | shogunx | sortadi, well, there are the ltsp.org docs, but that system is a bit different. might work for your application tho. |
| 04:13.58 | asg | sortadi: have you asked in #debian-sparc? |
| 04:14.04 | Jimjam | Hey, how can i stop this in the startup : IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver" |
| 04:14.11 | Jimjam | Its causing my system to freeze |
| 04:14.13 | sortadi | shogunx: thanks, and any other howto or document or guide? |
| 04:14.22 | sortadi | asg: no, but thanks for the tip |
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| 04:14.54 | shogunx | sortadi, there is a diskless terminal or diskless workstation or such howto also. |
| 04:15.13 | shogunx | in the howto collections all over the net, mirrored many places. |
| 04:15.25 | sortadi | shogunx: ok, thanks |
| 04:15.46 | sortadi | the thing is that i've mostly done typical debian installations on intel pcs and amd pcs |
| 04:15.53 | sortadi | and this is something new to me |
| 04:15.55 | shogunx | further, the sunray's documentation should give you a description of their boot process, and what apps ne be running on the server. |
| 04:16.03 | sortadi | and i've been asked to do so in my college |
| 04:16.41 | shogunx | yeah, x11 networks are a bit different than pcs. closer to a true unix architecture. |
| 04:17.00 | shogunx | much easier to maintain and administer though. |
| 04:17.14 | sortadi | but is it hard to install then? |
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| 04:17.59 | shogunx | sortadi, depends on your definition of hard. if you understand networking and associated protocols, then its no probelm, but diskless terminals have been called the "black art of networking" |
| 04:18.15 | sortadi | hehee |
| 04:18.32 | sortadi | reading is the key in this case then |
| 04:18.35 | shogunx | the thing to remember is that is is several protocols, and hence server apps, that you will need to set up to make it work right. |
| 04:18.36 | sortadi | nothing else |
| 04:18.57 | Tuborgn | I seem to be having some problems with samba. It just doesn't seem its stable. I have the samba server running, when I try and map the network drive I can see it but it wont allow me to make it a network place. I had it working fine before but once I restarted the windows box I couldn't connect anymore. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:25.49 | angler- | anyone know how to send EOF when logged into a system with putty? |
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| 04:32.13 | xwind_ | am trying to make my own authoritative nameserver available for external queries but netstat gives me this: |
| 04:32.15 | xwind_ | udp 0 0 serverip:53 0.0.0.0:* |
| 04:32.22 | xwind_ | i do not see a LISTEN |
| 04:33.03 | xwind_ | should it have a LISTEN? |
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| 04:35.48 | Klowner | quick question, is there a way to switch to gcc-3.4 as the default? I removed 3.3 and there's no gcc symlink to gcc-3.4 or anything like that |
| 04:36.14 | Klowner | and /usr/bin/cc doesn't exist |
| 04:36.17 | asg | Klowner: try update-alternatives --config gcc. If that doesn't work, you'll have to symlink manually |
| 04:38.20 | Klowner | hmmm ok |
| 04:40.00 | Klowner | cool, thank you asg |
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| 04:42.23 | dn4 | fluid -c WidgetPDial.fl |
| 04:42.23 | dn4 | make[1]: fluid: Command not found |
| 04:42.28 | dn4 | any ideas what the fluid command is? |
| 04:43.55 | bvs | apt-cache show fluid |
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| 04:45.40 | bvs | http://www.fltk.org/ |
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| 04:58.39 | mzilikazi | dmesg tells me: Cannot open font file lat0-16 - is that the euro? |
| 04:58.51 | mzilikazi | i did run euro-test it fails |
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| 04:59.38 | mzilikazi | i do have euro-support euro-support-console euro-support-x fonts-ttf-west-european xfonts-intl-european installed |
| 04:59.49 | sartek | hi, i have too big files in /var/log (+10G) how can i disable logging or reduce the size of logs? |
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| 05:00.14 | mzilikazi | locale -a says: C POSIX en_US en_US.iso88591 en_US.iso885915 en_US.utf8 |
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| 05:01.10 | reilithion | Ok, so if pkg-config is working right, it should report something back when I type "pkg-config xorg-server" right? |
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| 05:04.56 | GecKo` | If I've got an older "stable" package installed, and I download a newer "unstable" package and install that, is that going to upgrade the existing package? |
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| 05:07.06 | prussian | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-June/047488.html |
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| 05:07.28 | prussian | Move to OFTC. |
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| 05:08.27 | jerware | how can i return the needed web browser plugin for the current page that is requesting it ? i use firefox |
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| 05:16.13 | khnh | hi guys |
| 05:16.37 | khnh | i have a ethernet card and build-in wireless card |
| 05:17.00 | khnh | and they both are eth0 |
| 05:17.22 | khnh | how do you fix it |
| 05:19.56 | khnh | how do you assign ethernet card to eth1 |
| 05:20.40 | khnh | anyone |
| 05:21.33 | asg | khnh: nameif |
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| 05:22.49 | khnh | asg: thanks, |
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| 05:25.41 | khnh | asg: i got device busy |
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| 05:25.57 | khnh | how do you bring the interfac down |
| 05:27.02 | khnh | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 05:27.13 | peterS | or just 'ifdown eth0' |
| 05:27.26 | peterS | (opposite of 'ifup eth0') |
| 05:27.29 | khnh | thanks pet |
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| 05:27.52 | wols_ | how can you end up with two eth0 interfaces? |
| 05:27.59 | wols_ | doing baaad stuff in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 05:28.23 | peterS | wols_: you can't but it is possible to get multiple interfaces that use eth0, like eth0:0, eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. |
| 05:28.45 | peterS | wols_: alternatively it's possible to get a single eth0 that has multiple IP addresses attached to it |
| 05:29.00 | master_medic | hello |
| 05:29.06 | master_medic | I'm having some trouble with ndiswrapper |
| 05:29.07 | khnh | i did not touch that file |
| 05:29.10 | wols_ | ok, but if he has 2 different devices both being eth? |
| 05:29.26 | master_medic | i followed this tutorial and its not working http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
| 05:29.42 | khnh | ifconfig and iwconfig gave me eth0 as the name |
| 05:29.48 | master_medic | # ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:29.48 | master_medic | wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 05:30.05 | wols_ | some step before that went wrong |
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| 05:31.08 | master_medic | hmm |
| 05:31.12 | master_medic | i dunno which it could be |
| 05:31.18 | master_medic | any suggestions? |
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| 05:32.26 | peterS | master_medic: not without more information. you need to give us a better idea what you did and what error messages you have received when you did it |
| 05:32.33 | peterS | master_medic: paste sites are good for this purpose |
| 05:33.03 | master_medic | okay |
| 05:33.11 | master_medic | i'll redo the whole process and paste it all |
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| 05:33.41 | peterS | that's a good plan. as wols_ said, something failed earlier, and most likely it gave a failure message at the time |
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| 05:35.11 | master_medic | oh i think i found it |
| 05:35.25 | master_medic | ucla:~# apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 |
| 05:35.26 | master_medic | E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 |
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| 05:36.32 | peterS | ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 is in testing and unstable, it is not in stable |
| 05:36.46 | peterS | I haven't read the HOWTO - is it aimed at a user of stable? |
| 05:36.56 | master_medic | i'm not sure but i'm running stable |
| 05:37.11 | peterS | stable just has ndiswrapper-utils |
| 05:37.55 | master_medic | should i just install that? |
| 05:38.32 | peterS | I have never used ndiswrapper-utils. I have no idea what the difference is between version 1.1 (what stable has) and the newer package |
| 05:38.40 | peterS | but certainly go ahead and try that |
| 05:39.34 | master_medic | okay |
| 05:40.02 | master_medic | ndiswrapper-utils is already the newest version. |
| 05:42.31 | master_medic | http://rafb.net/paste/results/bHKyV238.html |
| 05:42.34 | master_medic | okay there it is |
| 05:44.28 | peterS | master_medic: ok, try 'ifconfig -a' to see if the desired interface has shown up under a name other than wlan0 |
| 05:45.43 | master_medic | peterS, i only get eth0 and lo |
| 05:45.54 | master_medic | i dont think its the local loopback |
| 05:46.03 | peterS | and eth0 is a known ethernet card already? |
| 05:46.10 | master_medic | yeah |
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| 05:46.28 | peterS | ok so, run 'dmesg | tail' to see whether the kernel log has anything "interesting" in it |
| 05:46.46 | master_medic | hub.c: new USB device 00:1f.2-2, assigned address 6 |
| 05:46.46 | master_medic | usb.c: USB device 6 (vend/prod 0x45e/0xc2) is not claimed by any active driver. |
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| 05:48.24 | peterS | master_medic: and USB 0x45e/0xc2 is your wireless chip? (I don't know what it is except that it's a Microsoft device of some sort) |
| 05:48.41 | master_medic | yeah its the MN-510 wireless usb adapter |
| 05:49.00 | master_medic | yeah thats it |
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| 05:49.39 | peterS | master_medic: it seems strange to me that the instructions would have you 'modprobe ndiswrapper' before running 'ndiswrapper -i MN510.inf'. without having used ndiswrapper, it seems like it ought to be the other way around |
| 05:49.50 | scx | hey guys: uncompress is part of bash tools? |
| 05:50.02 | scx | I can't find it in my $PATH |
| 05:50.14 | master_medic | peterS, should i start from the begining and just switch those 2? |
| 05:50.16 | peterS | scx: should be shipped as part of the 'gzip' package |
| 05:50.38 | scx | so uncompress is an alias for gzip? |
| 05:50.41 | peterS | master_medic: just try running ndiswrapper -i MN510.inf now, I guess |
| 05:50.52 | peterS | scx: yes, or more properly, gunzip |
| 05:51.01 | master_medic | ucla:~# ndiswrapper -i MN510.inf |
| 05:51.01 | master_medic | mn510 is already installed. Use -e to remove it |
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| 05:51.21 | master_medic | ucla:~# ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:51.21 | master_medic | wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 05:51.23 | scx | peter5: could I just : ln-s gunzip to uncompress? |
| 05:51.25 | peterS | scx: uncompress is the traditional name for a unix utility that handles LZW files in the '*.Z' format. gzip can uncompress these too. |
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| 05:51.56 | peterS | master_medic: so try ndiswrapper -e MN510.inf then the -i one again |
| 05:52.39 | peterS | scx: it seems to work. however I wonder why your version of gzip didn't ship that way already |
| 05:52.48 | master_medic | ucla:~# ndiswrapper -e mn510 |
| 05:52.49 | master_medic | ucla:~# ndiswrapper -i MN510.inf |
| 05:52.49 | master_medic | Installing mn510 |
| 05:52.49 | master_medic | ucla:~# ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:52.49 | master_medic | wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 05:52.51 | scx | peter5: ok! : ) ---> I'm trying to install steam for linux, and it sais uncompress command not found, so let's see if a link solves this,... |
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| 05:52.57 | master_medic | sorry |
| 05:53.04 | Gnea | !paster |
| 05:53.05 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 05:53.15 | peterS | scx: the thing about gzip, it checks its own name (gzip, gunzip, zcat) to see what to do by default. if it doesn't recognise the name 'uncompress', then it will behave as gzip by default, rather than as gunzip |
| 05:53.21 | master_medic | peterS, http://rafb.net/paste/results/rISL5a83.html |
| 05:53.50 | peterS | master_medic: so now does the kernel log have anything interesting in it, after you did that? again, 'dmesg | tail' |
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| 05:54.19 | master_medic | nothing is new |
| 05:55.22 | peterS | scx: interesting - the changelog indicates that the debian version of gzip has provided 'uncompress' for the last 10 years (since January 1996). so I wonder why yours does not |
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| 05:55.48 | Gokee2 | I am having a problem with my debian box. Its, really slow. Its a athlon XP 1800 with 256 MB of ram. It used to run great now its taking its sweet time to do anything, something as simple as changing desktops takes 10-20 sec. Top says things are great. |
| 05:56.18 | scx | mhmmm,... the link failed,... let me check in other distro,... |
| 05:56.32 | peterS | scx: this makes me suspect that you aren't running Debian |
| 05:57.24 | scx | peterS: you're right in Debian works,... |
| 05:58.09 | scx | I did try that on SuSE,a dn failed, but in Debian is running,... mhmmm interesting,... |
| 05:58.22 | peterS | scx: uh, we don't support SuSE in here. why did you think we would? |
| 05:59.08 | peterS | scx: anyway, what you probably need to do is write a two-line shell script as /usr/local/bin/uncompress which just says '#!/bin/bash' followed by 'exec gunzip "$@"'. make it executable. |
| 06:00.12 | peterS | but I'm sure there are more appropriate support venues for SuSE Linux than #debian |
| 06:00.12 | scx | peterS: man, I have Ubuntu, Debian, SuSE, and Gentoo, it's jusst I oftentimes use one and oftentimes other, that's all |
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| 06:00.56 | Gokee2 | scx, try ##linux? |
| 06:01.12 | peterS | Gokee2: well, I did already give him a useful answer, he shouldn't need ##linux now (: |
| 06:01.17 | scx | peterS: it's like haveing a wife and a lover ;) |
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| 06:01.34 | peterS | scx: yes, it's hard to keep straight which lies to tell to whom |
| 06:02.13 | scx | Gokee2: well I'm usually, in #suse #debian #gentoo # solaris and #kde ;) |
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| 06:02.35 | Gokee2 | scx, Thats not very many chans. |
| 06:02.57 | scx | Gokee2: how many do you? |
| 06:03.18 | peterS | it may not be very many channels but it is pretty ecumenical |
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| 06:03.36 | Gokee2 | scx, ##linux #ipcop #alsa #ypn #wwmax #wickedtribe +#tfp #atarack #lirc #kde #gratistax #debian #cinelerra #BotPark #perl on this server.... And about 5-6 other servers |
| 06:04.18 | stoned | thats way too many channels to join |
| 06:04.25 | Gokee2 | haha |
| 06:04.39 | Gokee2 | Thats why I never leave :) |
| 06:04.49 | streuner | you're pretty confused, no way to listen to one of them ... |
| 06:04.55 | stoned | hell, I can't even chat is one channel properly let alone trying to chat in a bajillion |
| 06:05.07 | master_medic | how do i find out what the device id is of the usb device i just plugged in? |
| 06:05.16 | peterS | master_medic: lsusb |
| 06:05.19 | stoned | lsusb |
| 06:05.24 | stoned | nm |
| 06:05.39 | Gokee2 | stoned, I just pick a few to chat in, normally one at a time. Mostly I just watch. |
| 06:05.48 | stoned | Gokee2, I've things to do :) |
| 06:06.16 | Gokee2 | stoned, Would you know how to make a mic port work on a revalution 7.1 sound card? |
| 06:06.17 | scx | Gokee2: uhh! |
| 06:06.31 | stoned | Gokee2, do not single me out, as you channel directed at #debian please |
| 06:06.37 | stoned | ask* your* |
| 06:06.38 | Gokee2 | Seems no one is around in #alsa |
| 06:06.44 | master_medic | peterS, hmm look what i did |
| 06:06.51 | stoned | question* |
| 06:06.57 | stoned | damn this keyboard skipping words again |
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| 06:07.23 | master_medic | http://rafb.net/paste/results/YqGfmP11.html |
| 06:07.32 | jimmiehansson | Gokee2, is the problem using any input with the dsp? |
| 06:07.51 | master_medic | peterS, i added the device to the driver and it still isnt working? i dont know if there is any elaboration that i can do to that..? |
| 06:07.53 | Gokee2 | jimmiehansson, Whats the dsp? |
| 06:08.23 | jimmiehansson | the sound device standard input signal, 1,2,3,4 etc. what are you trying the input with ? app wise |
| 06:08.25 | scx | peterS: now steam is ready in my Debian, but I'm checking right now, in SuSE and the scrips failed |
| 06:08.37 | peterS | master_medic: time to ask someone who has used ndiswrapper before. I only buy hardware supported by Linux, so I don't have to use things like that |
| 06:09.18 | master_medic | ugh |
| 06:09.25 | Gokee2 | jimmiehansson, I tried turning on all the stuff in alsamixer in hopes it would feed it to output like it does on my laptop and when it did not I tried krecord |
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| 06:09.44 | master_medic | Can someone help me install my microsoft wireless usb adapter mn510 onto the stable release of debian?? |
| 06:10.05 | jimmiehansson | Gokee2, grep any artsd running, kill it and try again, its most likely hogging the device |
| 06:10.18 | Gokee2 | jimmiehansson, ah ok |
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| 06:11.30 | jimmiehansson | Gokee2, ps -auxw | grep artsd, kill -9 pid should do |
| 06:11.55 | Gokee2 | jimmiehansson, ok I did that |
| 06:11.57 | stoned | or killall -9 artsd |
| 06:11.59 | stoned | :/ |
| 06:12.11 | master_medic | peterS, maybe you can help me get ndiswrapper-utils1.8 on the stable release of debian? maybe that will do it |
| 06:12.17 | master_medic | is there a way to do that? |
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| 06:12.29 | codynotes | Hey everyone. I used apt-get to try to install wine. It failed trying to upgrade libc6 to 2.3.6-15, which requires kernel 2.4. I'm running kernel 2.2. The problem is that now I can't seem to upgrade to the 2.4 kernel; apt-get dies with 'initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) but it is not going to be installed' |
| 06:12.29 | Gokee2 | bla I uninstalled krecord |
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| 06:12.39 | peterS | master_medic: I have no idea if that's easy or hard |
| 06:12.46 | codynotes | And I can't install initrd-tools because it complains about the version of libc6 that's installed |
| 06:12.49 | master_medic | :/ |
| 06:12.59 | Gokee2 | Whats a good simple sound recorder? I did not like krecord that well |
| 06:13.01 | master_medic | okay well i'm going ot bed |
| 06:13.03 | master_medic | thanks anyways |
| 06:13.05 | master_medic | i'll ask again tomorrow |
| 06:13.31 | jimmiehansson | Gokee2, just throw in skype and see if it can address any signal to the device, its good enough as a testing unit |
| 06:14.21 | Gokee2 | skype? |
| 06:14.30 | jimmiehansson | Gokee2, yes skype |
| 06:14.56 | wols_ | doesn't have debian enough audio apps that you need skype to test it? |
| 06:15.12 | Gokee2 | skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:15.15 | Gokee2 | :/ |
| 06:15.39 | stoned | just use the qt static lib precompiled tarball |
| 06:15.55 | jimmiehansson | wols_, depends on how simple he wants it |
| 06:15.57 | stoned | unpack somewhere, cd to dir, ./skype |
| 06:16.10 | stoned | screw with unofficial debs |
| 06:16.15 | stoned | always cause problems |
| 06:16.25 | Gokee2 | stoned, er... |
| 06:16.54 | stoned | that is, to my knowledge skype isn't in debian main |
| 06:16.56 | stoned | !info skype |
| 06:17.03 | scx | I have a very weird mix of packets: SuSE has Fedora rpms, Debian's apt has Kubuntu sources,... even my Gentoo has debs! |
| 06:17.06 | stoned | Package 'skype' does not exist. |
| 06:17.16 | stoned | unofficial packages are troublesome more often than not |
| 06:17.35 | jimmiehansson | no doubt |
| 06:20.29 | Gokee2 | ble I almost removed most of kde trying to install libqt3c102-mt |
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| 06:21.57 | Gokee2 | jimmiehansson, is krecord ok? skype seems a pain to install |
| 06:23.46 | jimmiehansson | Gokee2, sure |
| 06:24.34 | Gokee2 | It does not pick up anything however I can not seem to find where it is trying to pick up sound from |
| 06:25.49 | Gokee2 | Hey! it picks stuff up if I go to the plug my mic into the imput chan on my sound card |
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| 06:30.24 | tonsofpcs | ok all, I was asking about this yesterday, but based on what people said, I think it was misunderstood as me wanting to run PPP over SSH as a VPN. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO. |
| 06:30.27 | tonsofpcs | What I am trying to do is run a pppd/getty/other dialup server and force peers (clients) to run a SSH connection to get a terminal (or any other access for that matter) |
| 06:30.31 | tonsofpcs | any ideas? |
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| 06:30.54 | cavediver_work | Is it possible to disable su logging of a specific user = |
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| 06:31.30 | cavediver_work | i get www-data su entries filling my auth.log due to cacti crontab running as www-data every 5 mins |
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| 06:35.33 | Astinusi | Hello, is there any neat way of causing a daemon process to restart automatically if it crashes? |
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| 06:36.11 | arachnist | initng should support something like it |
| 06:36.39 | predder | Astinusi, you can use an external program to monitor this happening if that's an option. I suggest looking into "mon". |
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| 06:37.16 | Astinusi | so...init level scripts do not normally handle this..? |
| 06:40.17 | predder | I dont know sorry, I've just seen people referring to the mon package constantly for monitoring that processes remain running in high-availability scenarios ie. Server software. |
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| 06:41.12 | Astinusi | ok |
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| 06:41.51 | tga0 | hey. is it possible to have an encrypted filesystem that stretches to only fit what it contains? |
| 06:43.26 | scx | tga0: I don't think so |
| 06:43.46 | scx | tga0: I don't really think so |
| 06:43.50 | tga0 | heh.. tight space on this lappy |
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| 06:47.04 | scx | tga0: you may use a usbpen |
| 06:47.51 | tga0 | too much hassle and not enough usb ports |
| 06:47.59 | tga0 | guess I'll have to stick to what I have |
| 06:48.12 | scx | :| |
| 06:49.42 | tjousk | there is mostly transparent on the fly compression into a file on other os's, so it should be possible to use the same sort of thing to do encryption... |
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| 06:50.11 | tjousk | I kno not of any implementations of that though |
| 06:50.41 | stoned | Niccolo Paganini |
| 06:50.50 | stoned | oh fuck me, wrong channel, oops |
| 06:50.56 | tjousk | heh |
| 06:52.36 | streuner | phalacee: if you unable to turn that off (away), why not just use an client you can handle? |
| 06:53.45 | phalacee | streuner: I can handle it ... thing is, I was told about it last night, as i was leaving work, and i didn't have time to change the setting before I left, and i forgot to do it when I got in this morning ... |
| 06:54.10 | phalacee | Done, its a single tick-box in the options |
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| 06:55.49 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about PGP |
| 06:56.17 | streuner | rue_mohr: /msg apt (bot) pgp (factoid) |
| 06:56.43 | rue_mohr | what package do I need to get to resolve W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
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| 06:56.59 | rue_mohr | I know there is one, I dont know the name |
| 06:57.10 | rue_mohr | that apt snippet dosn't help me |
| 06:57.23 | streuner | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 06:57.51 | dn4 | what was the first irc server network called? |
| 06:58.09 | rue_mohr | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 06:58.40 | rue_mohr | (didn't work) |
| 06:59.19 | streuner | dn4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat |
| 06:59.33 | rue_mohr | haha I cant run apt-get update |
| 06:59.39 | rue_mohr | so I cant get any packages now |
| 06:59.40 | rue_mohr | hahahaha |
| 07:00.05 | rue_mohr | oh this is right up there with being bit by unstable package tree dependencies |
| 07:00.12 | rue_mohr | god I hate apt sometimes |
| 07:00.14 | streuner | dn4: Bitnet network |
| 07:00.18 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 07:00.23 | rue_mohr | lets see here |
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| 07:00.52 | clay____ | hey |
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| 07:01.02 | clay____ | which DVD image do i get |
| 07:01.09 | clay____ | binary1 or 2? |
| 07:01.11 | streuner | none |
| 07:01.18 | streuner | !netinstall |
| 07:01.19 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 07:01.55 | bonez41 | the FAQ for an application, sql-ledger, which I am trying to setup, it advises me to : set the environment variables POSTGRES_LIB and POSTGRES_INCLUDE my question....How do I set these variables? |
| 07:02.00 | clay____ | ergh |
| 07:02.01 | clay____ | ok |
| 07:02.06 | clay____ | now i have to go dig up a blank cd |
| 07:02.42 | rue_mohr | bonez41, I'll help you cause I'm smart |
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| 07:03.03 | bonez41 | rue_mohr, glad to have your help...... |
| 07:03.06 | rue_mohr | the answer is export FOO=asdf |
| 07:03.18 | rue_mohr | as I recall anyhow |
| 07:03.38 | rue_mohr | people in this channel wont tell you that, not cause they dont know, but because your asking here |
| 07:03.51 | rue_mohr | they aren't in channels where they will answer your questions |
| 07:03.52 | dn4 | streuner, thank you |
| 07:03.59 | rue_mohr | however you might try #linuxhelp |
| 07:04.01 | bonez41 | rue_mohr, ok, in my case then, would it be > export POSTGRES_LIB=asdf ? what's the asdf part about? |
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| 07:04.09 | rue_mohr | its the value |
| 07:04.24 | rue_mohr | /var/lib/....? |
| 07:04.29 | sonasks | whre i can find a list of drivers fro scsi controllers compiled into stock debian sarge kernel ? |
| 07:04.33 | rue_mohr | I dotn know what value you need |
| 07:04.42 | rue_mohr | you would want to ask in #postgresql |
| 07:04.54 | bonez41 | ah, the location of the file |
| 07:04.58 | rue_mohr | sonasks, I'll help you I'm smart |
| 07:05.18 | rue_mohr | sonasks, there will have been a copy fo the kernel config data saved in the kernel |
| 07:05.33 | rue_mohr | to access it, zcat /proc/config.gz |
| 07:06.08 | rue_mohr | I dont think people who know anything talk in this channel |
| 07:06.14 | rue_mohr | which is really annoying |
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| 07:06.26 | rue_mohr | all I want is to be able to get packages on my debian system |
| 07:06.45 | rue_mohr | I think the people who knew stuff made the bots and DIED |
| 07:06.57 | streuner | sonacks: there is no stock debian kernel |
| 07:07.20 | rue_mohr | think about it |
| 07:07.30 | rue_mohr | he's talking about the kenel thats in his lap |
| 07:07.37 | wols | yes thinking would hel you a lot |
| 07:07.38 | rue_mohr | he wants to know how it was configured |
| 07:08.03 | wols | cat /boot/config-<tab> |
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| 07:08.15 | rue_mohr | AN ANSWER! |
| 07:08.22 | rue_mohr | thats good work wols ! |
| 07:08.24 | streuner | sonacks: http://vireo.org/~stew/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 07:08.34 | rue_mohr | you actually answered one! |
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| 07:08.53 | streuner | sonacks: grep that file via 'grep -i scsi' |
| 07:09.02 | wols | rue_mohr: go away |
| 07:09.06 | marwol | is mysql automatically started after boot? |
| 07:09.26 | wols | check yourself in /etc/rc?.d |
| 07:09.27 | rue_mohr | wols, I'm here for help, and I'm going to be an ass till someone helps me (which will be never) |
| 07:09.29 | wols | ? is usually 2 |
| 07:09.52 | wols | you might be forced to leave if you're behaving like an ass |
| 07:09.55 | rue_mohr | marwol, to be sure its 2, use the command runlevel |
| 07:09.56 | streuner | you don't deserve help with this attitude |
| 07:10.04 | wols | and since you admitted being an ass, I won't help you ever either |
| 07:10.25 | rue_mohr | hah! this will be a long night of trying to outpace you helping people |
| 07:10.45 | predder | until you get kick/banned :) |
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| 07:11.09 | rue_mohr | besiedes even if you did answer, I could more easlily get ans answer from google |
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| 07:12.05 | rue_mohr | so for now, I dont care about an answer, its about the fact you wont give me one |
| 07:12.32 | Gnea | rue_mohr: your attitude sucks. |
| 07:13.10 | rue_mohr | I'm jsut tired of channels with lots of people who know how to help someone and wont cause their tired of answering the same question over and over |
| 07:13.26 | Gnea | well that's your tough luck. |
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| 07:13.43 | Gnea | rue_mohr: it's no excuse to be abusive. |
| 07:13.44 | streuner | Gnea: use /ignore ... |
| 07:13.46 | rue_mohr | I'm in the right channel for my question, I'm on topic, I'm helping people, and there isn't one of you who will help me |
| 07:14.07 | streuner | <streuner> rue_mohr: /msg dpkg 2006 key - Which bit didn't you unterstand? |
| 07:14.09 | Gnea | i don't even know what your problem is, but i do know that you have a serious attitude problem. |
| 07:14.21 | rue_mohr | I followed the instructions, they didn't work |
| 07:14.22 | GecKo` | My testicles itch |
| 07:14.25 | GecKo` | help me |
| 07:14.33 | GecKo` | I followed the instructions |
| 07:14.35 | GecKo` | they didn't work :( |
| 07:14.41 | rue_mohr | :/ sorry, thats a little toooo far off topic |
| 07:14.44 | Gnea | rue_mohr: then whining about it like a little bitch isn't going to help. |
| 07:14.59 | streuner | Gnea: USE IGNORE |
| 07:15.16 | rue_mohr | and saying it din't work didn't help either, what else am I supposed to do |
| 07:15.21 | rue_mohr | sit idle |
| 07:15.25 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 07:15.25 | streuner | *plonk* |
| 07:15.37 | Gnea | say why it didn't work? paste the error on a paste site? |
| 07:15.50 | Gnea | !paster |
| 07:15.50 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 07:16.06 | predder | !apt |
| 07:16.07 | dpkg | hmm... apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 07:16.07 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 07:16.12 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:16.13 | rue_mohr | zippo:/etc/apt# gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 07:16.14 | rue_mohr | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
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| 07:16.57 | wols | ah, our resident tarzeau bot/script is here :) |
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| 07:17.11 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:17.18 | streuner | o_O |
| 07:17.23 | Gnea | rue_mohr: did you run gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F first? |
| 07:17.28 | rue_mohr | yes |
| 07:17.35 | Gnea | and what was the result? |
| 07:17.36 | tarzeau | wols: it's neither scripted nor botted |
| 07:17.37 | rue_mohr | one moment, I'll pastebin the whole works |
| 07:17.43 | Gnea | thank you |
| 07:17.49 | wols | that's one of the things that makes it so scary |
| 07:18.35 | wols | trout blue or with almonds for me |
| 07:19.04 | rue_mohr | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 07:19.07 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 07:19.13 | rue_mohr | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2973. |
| 07:19.16 | rue_mohr | hehhe |
| 07:19.38 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:20.09 | rue_mohr | did I do something wrong? |
| 07:20.13 | Gnea | now run the gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -, and paste the output again |
| 07:20.20 | rue_mohr | (besides the whole being an ass thing) |
| 07:20.30 | Gnea | cut the crap |
| 07:20.39 | rue_mohr | just says OK |
| 07:20.42 | rue_mohr | ?? |
| 07:20.46 | Gnea | alright |
| 07:20.47 | rue_mohr | that means it worked? |
| 07:20.52 | Gnea | yes |
| 07:20.54 | Gnea | now apt-get update |
| 07:21.18 | rue_mohr | erm, I dont understand what just happened |
| 07:21.40 | arachnist | http://rotfl.glupie.info/skuter.jpg |
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| 07:22.05 | Gnea | the key was updated against your apt database |
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| 07:22.11 | streuner | don't paste random stuff here with no context |
| 07:22.30 | streuner | some people could think you spam us... |
| 07:22.38 | arachnist | didn't you see those rocket engines? |
| 07:22.48 | arachnist | (or whatever it is) |
| 07:23.00 | arachnist | doesn't it look funny to you? |
| 07:23.07 | Gnea | arachnist: does it run debian? |
| 07:23.11 | rue_mohr | possibly wankles from the car behindit, but it does look funny |
| 07:24.17 | arachnist | Gnea: nope, but it runs netbsd for sure. a slightly hacked version of "netbsd for christmass-tree lamps edition" |
| 07:24.28 | rue_mohr | !?! |
| 07:24.34 | Gnea | arachnist: then #netbsd is where it should be pasted, not here. |
| 07:24.35 | rue_mohr | I have crishmas tree lamps! |
| 07:24.40 | rue_mohr | will it control them good? |
| 07:24.57 | Gnea | rue_mohr: when you apt-get update, does the error persist? |
| 07:25.05 | rue_mohr | just a sec.. |
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| 07:25.15 | arachnist | Gnea: well, as a result debian gnu-knetbsd should also run on it |
| 07:25.16 | arachnist | ;> |
| 07:25.24 | Gnea | arachnist: prove it ;) |
| 07:26.19 | rue_mohr | that does seem to be working, thankyou |
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| 07:26.31 | Gnea | cool |
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| 07:27.05 | Gnea | rue_mohr: next time, please be more patient, you may not be so lucky. |
| 07:28.22 | rue_mohr | :) someone saying their a jerk dosn't make it true |
| 07:28.28 | sonasks | hmmm is GDTH driver for intle radi controller inside the 2.6.8 sarge kernel ?? |
| 07:29.11 | streuner | sonasks: grep the config with 'raid' |
| 07:29.21 | streuner | or intel or whatever |
| 07:29.26 | sonasks | ok |
| 07:29.28 | sonasks | got it |
| 07:29.35 | sonasks | CONFIG_SCSI_GDTH=m |
| 07:29.53 | sonasks | so i assume it should be fine to install netinst sarge on that machine |
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| 07:30.30 | sonasks | cool, didn`t want to end up with some FC5 on my production server |
| 07:30.35 | streuner | sonasks: well, just use group.google.com and search there, there could be always problems... |
| 07:30.43 | sonasks | of course |
| 07:30.49 | streuner | groups.google.com |
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| 07:31.28 | sonasks | hmmm |
| 07:31.31 | sonasks | i`m just wondering |
| 07:31.41 | sonasks | is module enough ? |
| 07:31.49 | sonasks | i mean it will be the root disc for all the system |
| 07:31.57 | sonasks | so will it work when added as a module ? |
| 07:32.18 | Gnea | sonasks: are you using initrd? |
| 07:32.21 | sonasks | shouldn`t it be compiled into kernel to make it possible to boot from it ? |
| 07:32.26 | sonasks | yep |
| 07:32.37 | sonasks | i`m using initrd |
| 07:32.41 | Gnea | you can compile it in (preferred) or load it as a module via initrd |
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| 07:32.51 | sonasks | rebuilding the ramdisk should do the trick ? |
| 07:32.56 | Gnea | yeah |
| 07:33.27 | sonasks | ok, so i guiess it will install on a raid array |
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| 07:33.37 | sonasks | but i probably won`t be able to doa first boot ? |
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| 07:33.51 | sonasks | or maybe installer will update thje ramdisk by itself ? :D |
| 07:33.59 | Gnea | don't know |
| 07:34.31 | Gnea | try it and see what happens |
| 07:34.36 | sonasks | yep |
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| 07:34.58 | sonasks | will have to wait about 4 days, until backup amchine is shipped, |
| 07:35.04 | sonasks | tahnks for the directions |
| 07:35.08 | Gnea | you're welcome |
| 07:35.12 | sonasks | :D |
| 07:35.15 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:37.19 | umar | #progeny |
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| 07:39.08 | umar | whether debian 3.1 is lsb compliant |
| 07:40.38 | streuner | sonasks: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-c98687f3ef12e70aaec28073f7b5178fcff040a5 |
| 07:41.32 | streuner | sonasks: but that's software-RAID |
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| 07:44.46 | streuner | sonasks: uhm, http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware |
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| 07:45.20 | streuner | sonasks: search the page with 'gdth' |
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| 07:46.37 | loiic | Hello, how do i check whether i checked the option time set up the GMT or not during the install process? |
| 07:46.55 | SirAlf | hi ! I'm trying to connect to my other computer via XDMCP but when i log i get an error |
| 07:46.57 | SirAlf | can anyone help me? |
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| 07:48.39 | sonasks | what error do you get ? |
| 07:49.24 | sonasks | steruner: this is Vortex raid controller |
| 07:49.28 | SirAlf | 0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x86) [0x80b4a56] |
| 07:49.29 | sonasks | and Vortex chip on it |
| 07:49.43 | sonasks | gdth is a driver taht is able to manage a lot of chips |
| 07:49.51 | streuner | 0000:02:02.0 RAID bus controller: ? |
| 07:50.09 | sonasks | in my understandign the wiki link you gave me tella that it won`t work unbder debian with this Vortex controller |
| 07:50.14 | streuner | liable: any idea how many teams are at the WM? |
| 07:50.21 | sonasks | i don`t even know what Vortex is |
| 07:50.29 | sonasks | porobably some "Inevntion" from tawian |
| 07:50.32 | SirAlf | 1: [0xffffe420] // 2: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so(fbCopyNtoN+0x1ea) [0xb737af5a] /// 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so(fbCopyRegion+0xb8) [0xb737b743] /// 4: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so(fbDoCopy+0x487) [0xb737bd88] /// 5: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so(fbCopyArea+0x78) [0xb737be49] /// 6: [0xb7419eb9] //// Fatal server error: /// Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
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| 07:50.40 | SirAlf | // mean next line |
| 07:50.44 | liable | streuner: whats the WM? |
| 07:50.48 | sonasks | anyway, i will use gdth driver with Intel Srcu42l |
| 07:50.57 | sonasks | so i assume i still have a chnce to make it run :D |
| 07:51.04 | sonasks | but thanks a lot for info |
| 07:51.05 | fireba11 | liable i guess he's talking about world cup |
| 07:51.06 | streuner | liable: championchip (soccer) |
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| 07:51.26 | sonasks | libfb.so |
| 07:51.35 | sonasks | something with frame buffer library ? |
| 07:51.38 | liable | streuner: isnt it 8? |
| 07:51.43 | wols | sonasks: as that page clearly says, you need to compile your own kernel |
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| 07:52.09 | SirAlf | that's what it seems, but i don't know what to do |
| 07:52.17 | hume | hi...i have some problems with debian cds, burnt from iso:s (testing and stable, netinstal and binary 1) - my computer just do not boot from them - anyone got any ideas on this? |
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| 07:52.33 | liable | streuner: i have been sulking since monday nights game.. :P |
| 07:52.33 | streuner | liable: yep, only 8 teams are only in world cup actually *and* only all others will fly home, because only one team can win the world-cup... |
| 07:52.33 | sonasks | yes, but for ICP Vortex Compuetrsysteme GMBH bus controller |
| 07:53.11 | SirAlf | I'll try to log with a different user to see what happens. The user i tried with had a different screen resolution |
| 07:53.15 | streuner | sonacks: do you get the same ID with 'lspci'? |
| 07:53.22 | sonasks | no |
| 07:53.29 | streuner | nm then... |
| 07:53.41 | fireba11 | hume your box booting from any cd at all ? |
| 07:54.03 | hume | fireba11, yes, from ubuntu cds and win cds |
| 07:54.24 | sonasks | 03:09.0 - that`s the pci id og my controller |
| 07:54.39 | fireba11 | hume then you did something wrong burning your ISOs becaue they are working fine |
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| 07:55.04 | sonasks | compiling own kernel won`t be a problem but it would be nice to have already all that compiled, i`m a lazy bastard :D |
| 07:55.07 | hume | fireba11, the last ubuntu cd it booted from was burnt exactly as the debian ones, with k3b |
| 07:55.17 | hume | fireba11, got any idea on what I could try or check? |
| 07:55.29 | fireba11 | hume what debian ISOs did you try ? |
| 07:55.45 | hume | testing and stable, both netinstall and binary 1 |
| 07:55.54 | sonasks | ohh.. |
| 07:56.06 | fireba11 | hume hm .. they should all work ^^ |
| 07:56.11 | sonasks | guys, can you tell me is using backports pretty safe ? |
| 07:56.16 | hume | fireba11, well..... |
| 07:56.27 | fireba11 | hume i'm booting from my netinstall-cd a lot ;-) |
| 07:56.32 | streuner | sonacks: well, you haven't any support |
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| 07:56.54 | hume | recently burnt? |
| 07:57.02 | streuner | sonacks: backports are to get newer packages for sarge/stable and is good for desktop users |
| 07:57.25 | streuner | sonacks: if you run a server just stay with security.d.o |
| 07:57.27 | sonasks | so go to production with backports is pretty dumb ? |
| 07:57.55 | streuner | i wouldn't recommend it, because those packages have no support... |
| 07:58.01 | fireba11 | hume not that new but i doubt they manage to break those without half the channel complaining about it |
| 07:58.21 | hume | fireba11, yes..right, feels very strange this..... |
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| 08:00.31 | loiic | i set up my hardware clock using hwclock --systohc --utc, however when i do hwclock --show it shows me time in localtime. How can i do to check the real value of my hwclock to see if it s accurately set up to UTC? |
| 08:01.01 | maheem | hi2all. i have problem with Anjuta |
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| 08:01.19 | maheem | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 08:01.49 | Capkirk | trying to upgrade my gaim client on sid i was forced to upgrade xserver-xfree86 package to xorg and the installation halted in the middle with : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.0.22_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin', which is also in package fglrx-driver |
| 08:01.52 | maheem | how solve this problem |
| 08:02.24 | Capkirk | ive searched google but with no luck? Does anyone have an idea what to do next? |
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| 08:05.12 | Capkirk | i wonder if it should force the removal of fglrx-driver |
| 08:05.14 | fireba11 | maheem the message is pretty explicit i think |
| 08:07.15 | wols | sonasks: backports is never safe |
| 08:08.16 | maheem | fireba11, it's local error. local application :( |
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| 08:08.48 | fireba11 | maheem doesn't change a thing |
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| 08:09.35 | maheem | fireba11, i use etch testing |
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| 08:13.45 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:14.34 | Capkirk | how can i force dpkg to install a package? |
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| 08:17.03 | MoDaX | Capkirk: dpkg --force-all |
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| 08:17.53 | Capkirk | MoDaX: found ou! man is your fried ;-) thanks |
| 08:18.05 | MoDaX | maheem: remove fglrx-driver. |
| 08:18.36 | MoDaX | maheem: it's too old and won't work with a new xorg anyway |
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| 08:19.17 | maheem | lot of thx MoDaX |
| 08:20.08 | MoDaX | maheem: get an updated fglrx from unstable or generate & install debs with ati-installer from ati.com |
| 08:21.17 | jhares | i have users and group in ldap.. getent works well (from files and ldap).. but when i'll do /etc/init.d/nscd restart.. getent dont work;( any idea? |
| 08:21.36 | jhares | it helps only dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap |
| 08:21.41 | maheem | thanx MoDaX! i'll go ati :) |
| 08:21.53 | Capkirk | is sid broken these days? |
| 08:22.05 | streuner | heh |
| 08:22.08 | Capkirk | i wonder if its safe to do a apt-get upgrade :) |
| 08:22.09 | streuner | sid is unstable |
| 08:22.41 | streuner | its never stable |
| 08:22.47 | Capkirk | streuner: sure thats why i ask for peoples opions |
| 08:23.09 | Capkirk | streuner: ok what i meant is it usable? |
| 08:23.29 | streuner | thats in a wide range (term) |
| 08:24.31 | streuner | debian unstable is the developer branch of debian, you use it at your own risk. |
| 08:24.45 | Capkirk | im well aware of that :) |
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| 08:25.07 | MoDaX | Capkirk: it's usable |
| 08:25.21 | streuner | well, you should be aware that there are others user who could might think its just easy to use it... |
| 08:25.28 | Capkirk | MoDaX: hehe thanks |
| 08:25.32 | MoDaX | Capkirk: and stable for my desktop/laptop :) |
| 08:25.55 | Capkirk | streuner: ive used unstable for over 2 years now |
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| 08:26.35 | Capkirk | are there any place where one can see critical bugs for sid instead of nagging people on #debian ? ;-) |
| 08:26.56 | wols | BTS? |
| 08:27.08 | Capkirk | whats BTS? |
| 08:27.22 | MoDaX | !bts |
| 08:27.22 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 08:27.26 | streuner | 2 years using unstable and not knowing BTS? |
| 08:27.46 | Capkirk | streuner: im not developing debian im only using it :) |
| 08:27.51 | streuner | Capkirk: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:27.52 | azeem | Capkirk: eh. |
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| 08:30.01 | Arbiter | Capkirk: i always use sid on my desktop pc |
| 08:30.05 | Arbiter | ;) |
| 08:30.45 | Arbiter | it's not broken (for my configuration) |
| 08:30.50 | Capkirk | Arbiter: i use sid on my desktop and laptop and hopefully i will know enough about debian and sid to contribute some day :) |
| 08:31.00 | Arbiter | (just did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) |
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| 08:31.16 | Arbiter | Capkirk: hehehe |
| 08:31.30 | Arbiter | i'm wondering about giving some contributions too |
| 08:31.32 | Arbiter | ;) |
| 08:31.49 | Capkirk | Arbiter: yeah that would include that too |
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| 08:32.40 | Heiko_x92 | Hello all ! |
| 08:32.49 | Arbiter | (ps sorry for my very bad english... it's not my mother tongue :P) |
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| 08:33.42 | GecKo` | Why do I get pretty colours in terminal when im logged in as a normal user, but when I go root I don't? :( |
| 08:33.52 | Heiko_x92 | Can anyone help me about choosing UNIX system for my server? |
| 08:34.08 | wols | Use debian. There, solved it for you |
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| 08:34.25 | Capkirk | Arbiter: but are you gonna win the world cup in soccer this year? ;-) |
| 08:34.28 | wols | GecKo`: different TERM evn var |
| 08:34.31 | Heiko_x92 | How big it comes? |
| 08:34.36 | wols | env var |
| 08:35.03 | wols | Debian comes very big, comes all night long |
| 08:35.03 | Heiko_x92 | Oh... but Debian is only UNIX or it has graphical mode too? |
| 08:35.54 | Heiko_x92 | And what are the requirements? Cant find at Debian web. |
| 08:35.59 | GecKo` | wols: how do I change it? |
| 08:36.19 | Capkirk | Heiko_x92: since you are in #debian i think the chances that someone should mention debian for server OS is pretty good |
| 08:36.38 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:37.01 | Capkirk | i run 15 servers on debian and i love it allthough its abit hard to get commercial applications to work on it |
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| 08:37.09 | wols | Heiko_x92: I assume your server is i386 based, so: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02.html.en |
| 08:37.21 | Capkirk | if you need oracle and that kind of stuff choose red hat instead |
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| 08:37.48 | Heiko_x92 | I need only Apache, PHP and FTP |
| 08:38.05 | Capkirk | Heiko_x92: then debian is a good choice |
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| 08:38.20 | Heiko_x92 | but... debian has graphical mode too= |
| 08:38.22 | Heiko_x92 | ?* |
| 08:38.38 | wols | Capkirk: it is, but not for Heiko_x92 is my guess. I dunno any distro that would be tbh |
| 08:38.38 | azeem | if you want, yes |
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| 08:39.00 | Capkirk | we run opertons as well with debian |
| 08:39.00 | Heiko_x92 | Okay... but what about the size? How much it takes on my HDD? |
| 08:39.29 | wols | what you want can be done in 100MB |
| 08:39.34 | Tails5 | wats debian? |
| 08:39.49 | Capkirk | Tails5: funny guy ;-) |
| 08:39.51 | brotherJohn1234 | 100MB - without any GUI ! |
| 08:39.54 | Heiko_x92 | 100 MB is only console or graphicalm mode? |
| 08:39.57 | Heiko_x92 | aha... :( |
| 08:40.05 | Capkirk | Heiko_x92: you dont need GUI :) |
| 08:40.09 | wols | brotherJohn1234: considering DSL is 50MB and has a GUI... :) |
| 08:40.10 | Tails5 | I'm not joking... |
| 08:40.10 | Capkirk | Heiko_x92: on server |
| 08:40.13 | Tails5 | what is Debian? |
| 08:40.19 | wols | Tails5: www.debian.org |
| 08:40.23 | Heiko_x92 | I just cant handle console :S |
| 08:40.25 | Tails5 | Thanks |
| 08:40.41 | Capkirk | Heiko_x92: install wmaker on your desktop and you will learn |
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| 08:41.26 | Tails5 | sorry not gonna switch O/S |
| 08:41.27 | Tails5 | bye |
| 08:41.33 | wols | Heiko_x92: you can get by with 150-200MB easily for GUI, depends on the GUI. if you go all out with kde or gnome. maybe a GB |
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| 08:41.49 | g333k | can somebody explain me what's the meaning of the nickometer? |
| 08:41.51 | Capkirk | Heiko_x92: remember to count in space for documentroot on webserver |
| 08:42.01 | wols | g333k: it measures leetnes |
| 08:42.06 | wols | +s |
| 08:42.13 | petemc | or lack thereof |
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| 08:42.37 | wols | petemc: you're another unleet nick like I am, hm? |
| 08:42.57 | g333k | wols, leetnes? what is it? |
| 08:43.18 | Heiko_x92 | cant understand :D..... okay... if i install Debian... then i need to know console... but i dont know... but where to learn? i saw "Linux for dummies" at local shop for 10$ |
| 08:43.19 | wols | you use 3s instead of the letter 'e' and have to ask? |
| 08:43.42 | Heiko_x92 | * printed at year 2001 |
| 08:43.54 | Heiko_x92 | is it useful or crap? |
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| 08:44.29 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, the commands don't change often :) I learnd something about using the console from a 1980'er book :) |
| 08:44.31 | wols | Heiko_x92: as we told you, you can install a GUI too. However, you can't adminstrate apache, php or ftp from the GUI. you will always need to edit config files and starting daemons and such. A GUI doesn't help with those things at all |
| 08:44.36 | g333k | wols, is it bad? is just a nick |
| 08:44.52 | crazy_penguin | hi all! |
| 08:44.54 | Capkirk | wols: there is always webmin |
| 08:45.13 | g333k | wols, So you mean is not formal to do that |
| 08:45.22 | wols | if you need webmin to run your server you shouldn't run a server in the first place. there are nough zombies out there already |
| 08:45.24 | Heiko_x92 | okay... then... ineed to buy this book.... or leave unix :D? |
| 08:45.35 | dn4 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5645396659673218353&q=physics+duration%3Along <-- Teacher in this video has his pants unzipped!!! |
| 08:45.36 | wols | Heiko_x92: no |
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| 08:45.47 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, search for the term "LAMP" |
| 08:45.51 | Fox | dn4: who cares ? |
| 08:45.52 | Capkirk | wols: hehe i didnt say he should use webmin only that it is a GUI for apache |
| 08:45.58 | Heiko_x92 | I know LAMP |
| 08:45.59 | wols | Heiko_x92: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 08:46.06 | Heiko_x92 | Linux Apache PHP MySQL |
| 08:46.07 | wols | there are many free books like this out there |
| 08:46.33 | Heiko_x92 | yes.. but this book is in estonian :D |
| 08:46.37 | dn4 | Fox, my les-bio-telenetic-virgin eyes do! |
| 08:46.39 | Heiko_x92 | easyer to learn for me |
| 08:46.44 | wols | you just said you don't know Unix administration, so you can't "know linux" either |
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| 08:47.24 | wols | and writing php scripts without any knowledge of linux is very dangerous. its were php got its bad reputation. at least one reason of it |
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| 08:47.59 | Heiko_x92 | not writing php yet :D |
| 08:48.04 | evilgeek | PHP is also a pretty crappy programming language. but that's beside the point. |
| 08:48.37 | wols | evilgeek: as I said: one reason of it :) |
| 08:49.59 | Heiko_x92 | so...help me :D i need to go to shop and buy this book or not? |
| 08:50.40 | wols | ask a bookseller not us |
| 08:50.46 | junii | When debian is loading up I want to change the console (loading font) and the size. The only method I know is passing an argument to the kernel at boot time. This this just modifies the 'size of screen- 80x60 whatever'. There also seems to be some boot script which reverts it back in the middle of the boot anyway... Boottime on the likes of suse 10 looks brilliant. How do you do this? |
| 08:51.03 | wols | all I can say that there are lots of people who learnt their way around *nix without buying a book. and some who have |
| 08:51.52 | wols | junii: are you talking about boottime or boot up appearance or about console fonts? |
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| 08:52.14 | Heiko_x92 | i think i can use only unix because none of linux systems not working for me... only win32 and unix are workig |
| 08:52.19 | existx | books put me to sleeeeeeeeeep |
| 08:52.38 | existx | well computer books anyways |
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| 08:52.45 | existx | yet irc keeps me awake..go figure |
| 08:52.49 | Fox | existx: even hustler and playboy ? :) |
| 08:53.08 | Heiko_x92 | FHM :D |
| 08:53.08 | wols | Fox: those are magazines. not books |
| 08:53.21 | existx | wols: correct |
| 08:54.03 | junii | Well, technically is the text you see at bootime not a console? Yes, Im talking about boot up appearance, changing the fonts in this 'console' but also colours. eg. 'done' is green & 'failed' is red |
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| 08:54.50 | Heiko_x92 | But what about Debian and Ubuntu-server ... what is the difrence? |
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| 08:55.09 | raf256 | E: Couldn't find package cinelerra :( |
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| 08:56.18 | yalu | hello. I want to set up a local Debian repository with self-built packages. I know how to do this, but how can I sign the packages? |
| 08:56.23 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, which linux-distri do you have tried so far ? |
| 08:56.56 | Heiko_x92 | I have tryed Ubuntu, Xubuntu and some others.. cant remember all :) |
| 08:57.13 | Heiko_x92 | * Ubuntu 5.10 and 6.06 ! |
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| 08:59.34 | Heiko_x92 | I've also tryed Ubuntu-server 6.06 (only console) and it works 110% |
| 08:59.56 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, than - why not use Ubuntu-server ? |
| 09:00.10 | Heiko_x92 | Console :( |
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| 09:01.05 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, do you know "webmin" ? |
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| 09:01.12 | Heiko_x92 | NO |
| 09:01.57 | azeem | Heiko_x92: I assume you can install X on ubuntu-server as well, if you want |
| 09:02.20 | Heiko_x92 | cant understand :D what X ? |
| 09:02.31 | azeem | !x |
| 09:02.35 | azeem | blah |
| 09:02.46 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, with http://www.webmin.com/ you can manage your server with an http-interface. |
| 09:03.04 | Heiko_x92 | aha ...good :D lets take a look |
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| 09:03.07 | azeem | Heiko_x92: anyway, X is the standard graphical window system on Unix and Linux systems |
| 09:03.29 | brotherJohn1234 | azeem, !tell Heiko_x92 about xgl :) |
| 09:03.39 | Heiko_x92 | aha :D i know it... Window X |
| 09:03.52 | Heiko_x92 | but i dont think X will work on my server |
| 09:04.16 | azeem | brotherJohn1234: huh? |
| 09:04.27 | azeem | Heiko_x92: so what are you looking for? |
| 09:04.46 | Heiko_x92 | UNIX :) easy to handel. |
| 09:04.50 | azeem | brotherJohn1234: this is a support channel, we don't sell crack to people |
| 09:04.57 | azeem | Heiko_x92: UNIX is a trademark by AT&T |
| 09:05.00 | brotherJohn1234 | azeem, hehe |
| 09:05.05 | azeem | please be more specific |
| 09:05.06 | Heiko_x92 | webmin.com seems good... |
| 09:05.15 | Heiko_x92 | i need to install it to UNIX ? |
| 09:05.32 | azeem | Heiko_x92: you can't install UNIX on your PC |
| 09:05.40 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, install debian, than webmin and than use webmin to configure debian. |
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| 09:05.50 | Heiko_x92 | I can.. I have installed ubuntu-server |
| 09:05.55 | mcgreg | hi |
| 09:06.01 | azeem | brotherJohn1234: you're going to support him with webmin I hope? |
| 09:06.08 | azeem | because we don't |
| 09:06.09 | Heiko_x92 | okay i will install debian then |
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| 09:07.06 | mcgreg | I have a littler question: what could be a reason why "kdm" doesnt work (doesnt open X-screen and dopesnt start kde at all) and what do I need to do to make kdm start at boot-time (at the moment I get simple login in the bash (no X-server) |
| 09:07.43 | vaggie | Hi im using: lvcreate -L 2G -n base vg0 - But im getting the error: Insufficient free extents (0) in volume group vg0: 512 required - And the vg0 group has 30GB space and 7775 free extents |
| 09:07.53 | newron | i have installed php5 but when i browse with http://localhost/test.php it shows the 'php version 4.4.2". what is wrong? |
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| 09:08.06 | Heiko_x92 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ I see very many ISO's :| |
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| 09:09.06 | Heiko_x92 | so...what ISO to download? |
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| 09:09.14 | azeem | Heiko_x92: the netinst |
| 09:09.24 | Heiko_x92 | why netinstall? |
| 09:09.32 | azeem | you asked, I answered |
| 09:09.37 | Heiko_x92 | okay :) |
| 09:09.39 | azeem | if you want an explanation, read the installation manual |
| 09:09.55 | Heiko_x92 | no need yet :D i'll trust you |
| 09:10.17 | brotherJohn1234 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 09:10.21 | azeem | it's a good idea in general |
| 09:11.16 | Heiko_x92 | 7 more minutes to download netinst :P |
| 09:12.01 | newron | my test.php has only this line: <? phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 09:12.37 | RichiH | newron: i would assume your apache install is not aware of the new version |
| 09:12.50 | RichiH | as an instant fix, try renaming the file to php5 |
| 09:13.11 | sonasks | how toi check what locale are installed on the system ? |
| 09:13.25 | newron | RichiH: u mean the test.php to php5.php? |
| 09:13.38 | RichiH | not quite |
| 09:13.44 | RichiH | test.php5 |
| 09:14.02 | newron | let me give it a try. |
| 09:14.13 | Heiko_x92 | but webmin... i need to have install apache and php and ftp earlier= |
| 09:15.17 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, why ? webmin comes with an build-in webserver. no need for apache. |
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| 09:15.29 | itchi | yeah, i got a crash :-) home full :-) |
| 09:15.39 | Heiko_x92 | aha... good :) so... i need only debian netinst ? |
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| 09:15.51 | itchi | That's nice, a crash, long time ago :-) |
| 09:16.19 | Heiko_x92 | but how to install webmin? |
| 09:16.22 | fireba11 | brotherJohn1234 i won't recommend using webmin ... ^^ |
| 09:16.34 | brotherJohn1234 | fireba11, why ? |
| 09:16.51 | fireba11 | brotherJohn1234: package is no longer maintained due to too much security issuses |
| 09:17.06 | newron | RichiH: no good. |
| 09:17.18 | brotherJohn1234 | fireba11, oh. i does not know .. |
| 09:17.40 | RichiH | newron: then look in your apache config files |
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| 09:17.59 | RichiH | newron: i know it's there, but the last time i looked at it was years ago |
| 09:18.06 | wols | Heiko_x92: yes. and then you install apache and php |
| 09:18.10 | newron | RichiH: what to look for? |
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| 09:18.24 | RichiH | newron: php? |
| 09:18.32 | Heiko_x92 | why? webmin comes with apache as i get know |
| 09:18.45 | RichiH | grep -ri /etc/apache* php would be a start |
| 09:18.52 | newron | RichiH: ok. |
| 09:19.06 | wols | didn't everyone tell you NOT to install webmin? but it's your server that's rooted, so I don't care |
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| 09:19.16 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, build-in http-server does not mean apache ! |
| 09:19.30 | itchi | I think i need somethings that prevent to get my home full. |
| 09:19.33 | Heiko_x92 | aha :|... what it has then |
| 09:19.44 | wols | itchi: rm is a wonderful tool for that |
| 09:19.53 | RichiH | wols: bleh |
| 09:19.56 | RichiH | i was about to say that |
| 09:19.59 | RichiH | spoilsport |
| 09:20.09 | RichiH | and turns away |
| 09:20.09 | itchi | wols: rm -rf / is the best one ;-) but looooooossssing * |
| 09:20.23 | wols | RichiH: I don't take considerations for the slow type squad :P |
| 09:20.34 | Heiko_x92 | okay what to choose then? webmin or harder way, apache and others |
| 09:20.35 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, some other - perl :) |
| 09:20.38 | RichiH | wols: or the ones with real lifes |
| 09:20.45 | itchi | wols: No, surious, i need a thing that warn me. Doh, quota or so ? i go to look to |
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| 09:21.13 | wols | yes quota gives warnings |
| 09:21.32 | itchi | wols: I go for it :-) |
| 09:22.02 | L02d | all .. |
| 09:22.03 | L02d | :P |
| 09:22.05 | wols | soft quota vs. hard quota IIRC |
| 09:22.50 | itchi | wols: I not know the diff, i hope i see |
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| 09:23.27 | SIPPinger | Hello hello |
| 09:23.43 | SIPPinger | Any one may help me lease? I'm trying to use a proxy with my Debian. |
| 09:23.48 | fireba11 | itchi there are lots fo tools .. you could use a simple cronscript as well |
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| 09:24.04 | SIPPinger | Sorry for my bad English |
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| 09:24.32 | wols | if you exceed a soft quota you get naggings aka warnings. you cannot exceed a hard quorta |
| 09:24.35 | wols | -r |
| 09:24.57 | wols | SIPPinger: debian as a client or debian as a proxy server? |
| 09:24.58 | SIPPinger | Anyone knows how to specify a global proxy address for the whole machine? |
| 09:24.59 | itchi | fireba11: I guess... It's Debian hehe :-) |
| 09:25.08 | SIPPinger | debian as a client |
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| 09:25.30 | wols | maybe by port redirect trickery with iptables? |
| 09:25.50 | SIPPinger | that might be an idea |
| 09:25.54 | SIPPinger | thanks I'll try |
| 09:26.32 | itchi | wols: It's for my home computer. I not need somethings complicated, or let's do it :-) |
| 09:28.07 | SIPPinger | wols: No thats not pssible |
| 09:28.19 | SIPPinger | possible* |
| 09:28.35 | wols | and why not? |
| 09:29.08 | SIPPinger | I mean... I want to connect for example to irc.freenode.org using proxy proxytst4.etat-ge.ch. How do think doing that with IPTables? I may maybe forward directly 2.2.2.2 to freenode but it doesn't solve my problem |
| 09:29.11 | wols | it's how transparent proxies are done |
| 09:29.26 | SIPPinger | I don't understand |
| 09:29.41 | wols | so you want to use proxy for everything? |
| 09:29.55 | wols | not just http? |
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| 09:31.03 | SIPPinger | everything |
| 09:31.21 | wols | socat prehaps |
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| 09:31.36 | SIPPinger | I'll look for that rogram thanks |
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| 09:34.35 | Heiko_x92 | Does Debian 3.1 rc2 netinst has Perl5 ? |
| 09:34.45 | wols | SIPPinger: socat can't do it afaik. not for multiple ports. so you need iptables with a input portrange |
| 09:34.51 | wols | Heiko_x92: packages.debian.org |
| 09:35.03 | ktwilight | it does Heiko_x92 |
| 09:35.08 | Heiko_x92 | okay |
| 09:35.14 | ktwilight | if not, just apt-get it. |
| 09:35.17 | Heiko_x92 | webmin needs it:D |
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| 09:37.06 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, just install webmin with apt-get. |
| 09:37.23 | Heiko_x92 | how :| ? |
| 09:37.52 | wols | brotherJohn1234: afaik he isn't even running debian yet |
| 09:38.17 | brotherJohn1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.26 | Heiko_x92 | yes :( |
| 09:38.35 | Heiko_x92 | i hate reading manuals :D |
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| 09:39.20 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, you need it ! |
| 09:39.24 | DerJamster | Heiko_x92: apt-cache search perl5 |
| 09:39.28 | DerJamster | Easy, no? ;) |
| 09:40.05 | Heiko_x92 | i need to type it as command :D? |
| 09:40.14 | azeem | Heiko_x92: is this going to be a server? |
| 09:40.15 | Heiko_x92 | yes |
| 09:40.22 | azeem | on the internet? |
| 09:40.46 | Heiko_x92 | yes |
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| 09:41.08 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, DO try this at home ! |
| 09:41.09 | azeem | Heiko_x92: you should really do some reading then |
| 09:41.59 | Heiko_x92 | i am at home :D |
| 09:42.21 | ktwilight | you should really do some reading :/ |
| 09:42.26 | ktwilight | as azeem said. |
| 09:42.39 | ktwilight | or not your server will most likely fail in the next 6months :P |
| 09:43.00 | Heiko_x92 | shure :D |
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| 09:44.39 | brotherJohn1234 | > 6months if you don't change anything after the netinst. |
| 09:45.40 | Heiko_x92 | why? |
| 09:45.50 | azeem | brotherJohn1234: you forgot you recommnded webmin |
| 09:46.26 | azeem | Heiko_x92: maintaining a server on the internet without prior knowledge is a bad idea |
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| 09:46.44 | Heiko_x92 | yes i know :( but where to learn? |
| 09:46.45 | azeem | Heiko_x92: if you have general Unix knowledge, read up on the Debian package system at least |
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| 09:46.52 | brotherJohn1234 | azeem, i'm regretting suggesting webmin. |
| 09:47.07 | Heiko_x92 | i am going to use webmin :D |
| 09:47.13 | azeem | Heiko_x92: did you see the "Documentation" link at www.debian.org? |
| 09:47.25 | Heiko_x92 | yes... never clicked on it |
| 09:47.54 | azeem | you might want to reconsider that decision |
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| 09:48.23 | RichiH | i mean, being clueless as such, we all started that way. but.. |
| 09:48.27 | Heiko_x92 | sorry because i am so noobish :( |
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| 09:48.33 | RichiH | Heiko_x92: no problem |
| 09:48.41 | RichiH | 11:38:10 < Heiko_x92> i hate reading manuals :D |
| 09:48.43 | Heiko_x92 | i will start learning manual |
| 09:48.46 | RichiH | that is the problem |
| 09:48.49 | azeem | Heiko_x92: there's no problem with not knowing much, there's a problem with not willing to learn |
| 09:48.55 | Heiko_x92 | yes i hate them.. but i need to read |
| 09:49.05 | RichiH | azeem: or rather, wanting to get your hands held |
| 09:49.21 | azeem | people in here are generally happy to help people if those people make an honest attempt at figuring things out themselves first |
| 09:49.24 | RichiH | Heiko_x92: i would suggest starting with man apt-get |
| 09:49.42 | RichiH | it is long, it is tedious and wou will ot understand half of it |
| 09:49.47 | RichiH | but you need it |
| 09:49.53 | Heiko_x92 | wait... i have installation question |
| 09:50.15 | RichiH | or apt-get install aptitude and man aptitude, but i do not like the interface, personally |
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| 09:50.18 | Heiko_x92 | it asks for, creating GRUB boot loader or not... i think it is the menu what os to choose |
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| 09:50.33 | azeem | Heiko_x92: read the installatino manual |
| 09:50.42 | Heiko_x92 | sorry :) |
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| 09:51.15 | Gnea | Heiko_x92: basically, yes - it's going to install grub to your master boot record so you can boot the system. once it's booted, you can modify it from there to boot other os if you like |
| 09:51.20 | azeem | Heiko_x92: if we told every user in here who installs Debian what option to choose on each installation screen, do you think the next version of Debian will be out in time? |
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| 09:51.45 | Gnea | dude |
| 09:51.48 | Gnea | !install video |
| 09:51.48 | dpkg | it has been said that install video is http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nU0uy8Mfzo |
| 09:51.54 | Gnea | Heiko_x92: you should watch that ^^ |
| 09:52.02 | Heiko_x92 | going to watch :=) |
| 09:52.19 | RichiH | there is a video of how to install debian! |
| 09:52.20 | RichiH | wtf |
| 09:52.25 | Gnea | yes. :) |
| 09:52.28 | RichiH | cool |
| 09:52.31 | brotherJohn1234 | hihi |
| 09:52.54 | Gnea | it's a complete sarge install |
| 09:53.33 | RichiH | not bad |
| 09:53.47 | RichiH | as ong as it does not show how to go to sid after that :) |
| 09:53.55 | Gnea | oh hell no :) |
| 09:54.43 | junii | ive been looking around for a good debian kde theme. Can't find anything thats good though |
| 09:54.50 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.56 | itchi | hehe |
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| 09:55.11 | Gnea | itchi: lol |
| 09:55.18 | itchi | Gnea: ;-) |
| 09:55.45 | itchi | hello sid |
| 09:55.55 | sid | !greet itchi |
| 09:55.55 | dpkg | Hello, itchi |
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| 09:58.48 | Heiko_x92 | estonia isn't in the GMT choosing list :( |
| 09:58.54 | Gnea | !runlevel howto video |
| 09:58.55 | dpkg | it has been said that runlevel howto video is located at http://youtube.com/watch?v=d39izaupvEg |
| 09:59.12 | Gnea | Heiko_x92: what country(s) are next to estonia? |
| 09:59.33 | itchi | Gnea: You get work :-) |
| 09:59.57 | Heiko_x92 | finland is... choosed this |
| 10:00.16 | Heiko_x92 | APT configuration :| i think http or ftp |
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| 10:00.57 | Gnea | http > ftp |
| 10:01.26 | Heiko_x92 | got it :) |
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| 10:03.30 | Heiko_x92 | environment is needed? |
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| 10:03.56 | Gnea | what? |
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| 10:04.19 | Heiko_x92 | i have a screen... it shows 'Debian software selection' |
| 10:04.38 | brotherJohn1234 | Heiko_x92, how goes your reading ? |
| 10:04.42 | Heiko_x92 | At the moment, only the core version of Debian is installed and so on... |
| 10:04.44 | vlt | Hello. Is it possible to use a different port than 22 for FISH (in Konqueror or MC)? |
| 10:04.53 | Heiko_x92 | cant read right now :D installing deboian |
| 10:04.58 | Gnea | Heiko_x92: you can safely cut past that unless you want something setup for you |
| 10:06.07 | sonasks | can i explicitly tell linux to use uid 1100 with for exmaple 'username" ?? |
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| 10:06.26 | brotherJohn1234 | vlt, you can configure ssh to use an other port ( which is used by mc and konq.). create : $HOME/.ssh/config ( see ssh_config(5) ) |
| 10:06.44 | petemc | sonasks: you can with useradd, perhaps adduser too.. |
| 10:06.58 | L02d | hi |
| 10:06.59 | L02d | all |
| 10:07.02 | L02d | how are you :P |
| 10:08.06 | Maulkin | hi |
| 10:08.45 | brotherJohn1234 | vlt, use something like : "host * port 2222" |
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| 10:09.59 | itchi | Hi guys, if someone running Etch, and could check and confirm that the packages 'fgfs' (and related) would not play because of error. There's possibility to need to report and bug, if it's so (i have already make an report draft) The error is: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'sg_io_exception' Aborted |
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| 10:11.22 | itchi | If you get it working ^^^ It's very good that Flight simulator. |
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| 10:12.53 | ArtistAgent | Hello All |
| 10:13.51 | Maulkin | itchi: Sounds like a bug, I'd report it |
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| 10:14.56 | itchi | Maulkin: Yeah, there's an need of it, one of the nicest thing there is :-) |
| 10:15.18 | Maulkin | itchi: Yeah, I know a few flightgear developers :) |
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| 10:15.55 | itchi | Maulkin: Have you try it ? On the support channel of fgfs he tell me it's an bug with the packages, probably the simgears but that he was not sure |
| 10:16.02 | sh4rk | Hi Debianites, I'm busy installing debian 3.1r2 and cant see to get it installed onto my hardware. I've tried 2 boxes and neither want to work. It gets stuck when detecting hardware and shows the following message : "Linux kernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not available yet. Simply proceeding with the install may make these modules available later. The unavailable modules, and the |
| 10:16.05 | sh4rk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.10 | sh4rk | y), ide-disk (Linux ATA DISK), ide-cd (Linux ATAPI CD-ROM), isofs (Linux ISO 9660 filesystem) ". After this the partition step in the install fails to find a hard disk to install on. Help Please :0) |
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| 10:18.12 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 10:18.15 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:18.31 | itchi | Maulkin: Do you the report ? I'm not really familiar with it :-/ That's my draft http://pastebin.ca/74695 |
| 10:19.35 | itchi | Maulkin: I go to use now the cvs version of it :-), hope i can contrib a bit to it |
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| 10:20.07 | itchi | Maulkin: A Debian team (texture)plane for example :-) |
| 10:21.55 | Maulkin | itchi: Can you try moving that save file out the way and see what happens? |
| 10:22.07 | itchi | Maulkin: Line 5,6,7 needs to be removed of my draft ^^^ there, it's my that i have move that file |
| 10:22.40 | itchi | Maulkin: Yes, i also view. I have also do it, like you just told ;-) |
| 10:23.00 | itchi | Maulkin: Crossing brains ... |
| 10:25.20 | itchi | Maulkin: Try you the package ? |
| 10:26.19 | Maulkin | itchi: no, I use upstream's one |
| 10:26.20 | itchi | Maulkin: I have install it from source plus some additionals. It's not realy for my, but for many guys that i want to suggest fgfs :-) |
| 10:26.37 | itchi | Maulkin: Again crossing brains ... |
| 10:26.41 | itchi | hehe |
| 10:27.16 | itchi | Maulkin: There's many things that are daily?? update of it |
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| 10:29.10 | itchi | Someone what to give it an try to install fgfs of the deb's of Etch ? |
| 10:29.24 | pmo5 | at startup.. i have a black screen with my GT 6600.. the system boots and all.. but all black since boot time ? |
| 10:29.25 | itchi | bbrrr s/what/want |
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| 10:30.35 | itchi | pmo5: Some bugy video card ?? Try to add vga=791 on the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?? |
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| 10:31.41 | itchi | pmo5: Like this one kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-k7 root=/dev/hda6 ro noapic nolapic vga=791 |
| 10:31.49 | pmo5 | itchi, well i use lilo.. i hope .. linux vga=791 will work |
| 10:31.53 | Mazingaro | please |
| 10:32.07 | pmo5 | itchi, :) nice man.. i gonna try .. :) |
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| 10:32.11 | itchi | pmo5: I not directly remember howto with lilo |
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| 10:32.20 | Mazingaro | I've got a problem with kdeprint and cups on unstable: cannot print with kde applications |
| 10:32.42 | itchi | pmo5: Yes, give it an try or put there 'ask' ipv of '791' |
| 10:32.48 | pmo5 | itchi, if it works you would have saved my day :) |
| 10:33.04 | itchi | pmo5: Not you're ass ? :-p |
| 10:33.41 | itchi | pmo5: You have get an new kernel i guess ?? |
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| 10:35.30 | tarzeau | invasion der schweizer!!! |
| 10:35.37 | tarzeau | gruezi hildi und SIPPinge1 |
| 10:35.40 | azeem | tarzeau: please write in english |
| 10:36.18 | wols | azeem: gruezi is international :) |
| 10:39.00 | hildi | tarzeau: gruezi, after we've lost the match we've got time now |
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| 10:43.37 | itchi | tarzeau: Was it vs 'it' ? I'm not so football and like we not play :-( |
| 10:44.42 | liable | who lost? |
| 10:45.15 | itchi | liable: ch |
| 10:45.24 | blunted | if i edit /boot/grub/menu.lst what do i have to run to make the settings permanent or whatever |
| 10:45.31 | itchi | liable: I not remember with vs :-/ |
| 10:45.44 | blunted | i can't remember |
| 10:45.57 | liable | blunted: that *does* make it permanent |
| 10:46.15 | blunted | yeah but i mean last time i had to do something like dpkg-reconfigre grub or somecrap |
| 10:46.20 | itchi | blunted: Make a copy of it ;-) |
| 10:46.21 | liable | blunted: grub is not lilo |
| 10:46.21 | blunted | i dunno or else i'd have typed it already |
| 10:46.58 | wols | blunted: you edit your menu.lst, save the file and that's it. NOTHING else |
| 10:47.45 | liable | blunted: and very rarely you actually need to hand edit the file anyway |
| 10:48.19 | blunted | ok |
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| 10:48.31 | liable | unless you did make vmlinuz or some shit |
| 10:48.38 | wols | liable: sooner or later it always messes up for me (kernel images that is) |
| 10:49.40 | liable | wols: making kernels the debian way has always worked with grub for me, its only lilo that you ever need to do anything other than install the kernel.deb |
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| 10:50.18 | peacekeeper | why u think the net was boooorn |
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| 10:50.22 | peacekeeper | porn porn porn |
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| 10:50.36 | beanz | Can multiple people each have a certificate enabled ssh root login, but each have separate certificates so that I know who is who? |
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| 10:51.47 | liable | peacekeeper: thats not why it was born, but its a big use these days, but, its also very ot here, and you can prolly expect a +q for being a deviate pron lover.. :P |
| 10:52.27 | blondie | !tell peacekeeper about u |
| 10:52.36 | tarzeau | liable: http://vi.mine.nu/ |
| 10:52.37 | wols | blunted: yes |
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| 10:52.45 | wols | erm, beanz |
| 10:53.01 | beanz | wols: ya? |
| 10:53.05 | Heiko_x92 | i have question again :) |
| 10:53.11 | liable | tarzeau: i am very conservative, is that site safe for my fragile mind? |
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| 10:53.20 | itchi | peacekeeper: No, for war! |
| 10:53.26 | tarzeau | liable: it's work safe |
| 10:53.29 | superlinux | !freeradius |
| 10:53.29 | dpkg | freeradius is, like, radiusd-freeradius, see "The Story of radiusd-freeradius" on http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/02/ |
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| 10:53.51 | wols | tarzeau: not what he asked. safe for his mind, not his workplace :) |
| 10:53.52 | liable | tarzeau: bah, then its not worth looking at! :P |
| 10:53.57 | superlinux | guys! hi! |
| 10:54.13 | wols | if you're a vi lover, you also get a heart attack from it |
| 10:54.25 | Heiko_x92 | when it asks for api... and i can choose cdrom, ftp, http and so on, if i would like to use cdrom, then need to download one of these up to 600 MB iso's? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:54.29 | wols | superlinux: you just offended all the women in here |
| 10:54.39 | superlinux | pardon! |
| 10:54.42 | liable | all three!! |
| 10:54.46 | superlinux | I never meant it |
| 10:54.54 | wols | Heiko_x92: yes. possibly all of them. and it's apt, not api |
| 10:55.11 | epsilon | Heiko_x92 |
| 10:55.17 | wols | liable: there are three? where is the third? |
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| 10:55.27 | epsilon | Heiko_x92: does the box have fast internet? |
| 10:55.28 | superlinux | I wish that you don't tell me to google. but do you know a good link about freeradius and pppoe setup. |
| 10:55.30 | Heiko_x92 | yes :D... but... all binarys :| ? 14 ones? |
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| 10:56.01 | Heiko_x92 | i am using ftp one when i am installig now... but i just want to know :D.. |
| 10:56.21 | epsilon | Heiko_x92: ISO of CD/DVD is only for offline mashines |
| 10:56.32 | liable | wols: i am a cross dresser, does hat count? |
| 10:56.53 | epsilon | online mashines should use netinstall |
| 10:57.16 | Heiko_x92 | yes... but :D |
| 10:57.29 | Heiko_x92 | if i just want to use cd not http or ftp |
| 10:57.31 | superlinux | Heiko_x92, you don't need all of them as long as you have internet. and you can install from both internet and cdrom whenever you are asked to use the CD |
| 10:57.41 | liable | superlinux: what are you actuelly doing? |
| 10:57.57 | wols | liable: half a woman then. so we need to find the 2nd crossdresser in here |
| 10:58.01 | superlinux | well we have a wireless LAN in my city |
| 10:58.08 | fireba11 | question is what Heiko_x92 is ttrying to do .. doesn't seem to make sense to me |
| 10:58.10 | Heiko_x92 | i have installed from ftp... but... |
| 10:58.13 | liable | wols: btw, that was a joke, though i do like panties.. :P |
| 10:58.22 | liable | frilly ones! |
| 10:58.29 | epsilon | Heiko_x92: for offline install, get the DVD ISO, only 2 |
| 10:58.39 | Heiko_x92 | okay :D |
| 10:58.58 | Heiko_x92 | without DVD reader, i need 14 cd iso's`? |
| 10:59.02 | wols | liable: that's in the same league as "this is not my YMCA CD collection, I got it as a present from a friend" |
| 10:59.05 | liable | superlinux: and.. |
| 10:59.11 | superlinux | and there is some security issues cos WEP is not secure and we wanna use radius to enforce greater security |
| 10:59.14 | liable | wols: hah! |
| 10:59.41 | superlinux | and we serve internet using rp-pppoe |
| 11:00.50 | superlinux | and there is traffic shaping to sell internet speeds and everthing else to speed up performance |
| 11:00.57 | liable | wols: not that theres anything wrong with that! :) |
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| 11:01.35 | liable | ooh, we are losing, down into the 500's |
| 11:01.37 | superlinux | so we need radius to authenicate and account per user |
| 11:01.54 | fireba11 | liable ;-) |
| 11:01.59 | wols | Yes, YMCA CDs are eminently listeable. may I show you my police officer uniform? I even have a false moustache since it doesn't grow on its own |
| 11:02.03 | superlinux | and authorize also.. they call it AAA |
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| 11:02.24 | wols | liable: shall I bring in some sockpuppets? |
| 11:02.36 | fireba11 | liable am thinking of moving over to OFTC .. problem is miranda only supports connection to one IRC network at once and my linux user group is on freenode too ^^ |
| 11:02.52 | liable | wols: you are creeping me out now! :P |
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| 11:03.03 | blondie | dpkg: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 11:03.05 | blondie | erm |
| 11:03.08 | blondie | fireball: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 11:03.18 | liable | fireba11: dont use such a crappy client? |
| 11:03.20 | wols | blondie: he runs windows as the reference to miranda shows |
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| 11:03.27 | wols | that's to mortal sins at once |
| 11:03.27 | fireba11 | blondie: i'm on a windwos box here you know .. :-D |
| 11:03.28 | geek_shishi | hello all |
| 11:03.39 | geek_shishi | someone can help with cheops-ng please ? |
| 11:03.48 | wols | fireba11: your $deity has invented sshd, screen and irssi for you |
| 11:03.51 | geek_shishi | i can't connect to localhost for testing it ... |
| 11:04.10 | wols | geek_shishi: then make sure it's listening in the first place |
| 11:04.13 | fireba11 | liable: at least its open source ;-) i'm bugging the coder fo the IRC plugin to improve it for some time now *g* |
| 11:04.20 | liable | fireba11: so, connect to your server that runs irssi! |
| 11:04.27 | itchi | crap, i have reach my internet download limit :-( |
| 11:04.30 | geek_shishi | wols: well it run well cheops-agent before |
| 11:04.33 | wols | yes, use a bouncer |
| 11:04.39 | fireba11 | liable wols might just do that ;-) |
| 11:04.49 | wols | geek_shishi: read what I said |
| 11:04.50 | geek_shishi | what is a bouncer? |
| 11:04.55 | junii | I plugged a usb key key in and it wont show up in kde. How can I go about troubleshooting this. Should the device be created in /media ? |
| 11:05.06 | liable | fireba11: its what ~580 people here atm do :P |
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| 11:05.09 | wols | geek_shishi: name for "proxy" that irc kiddies use |
| 11:05.23 | geek_shishi | hmm |
| 11:05.26 | wols | liable: I use irssi directly :) |
| 11:05.37 | liable | wols: from windows? |
| 11:05.40 | geek_shishi | sorry i don't see how to use it with cheops-agant |
| 11:05.43 | geek_shishi | agent |
| 11:05.46 | wols | putty :) |
| 11:06.03 | liable | wols: well, thats not directly.. |
| 11:06.20 | liable | wols: thats the point i was making though :) |
| 11:06.24 | wols | I don't misuse my irssi as a bouncer |
| 11:06.33 | wols | was assuming you talked about that |
| 11:06.36 | phanter | hello. I want to use x11 forwarding over ssh. I already enabled the option in sshd_config. It still does not work (unable to open display). I am using Debian stable. |
| 11:06.37 | Shadowcat | wols: lies! |
| 11:06.45 | liable | !slap Shadowcat |
| 11:06.46 | wols | I eamn who in their right mind would use another irc client than irssi? |
| 11:06.49 | Shadowcat | !beat liable |
| 11:06.59 | Shadowcat | phanter: you need a local X Server for that to work |
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| 11:07.11 | liable | wols: mirc r0x0rz |
| 11:07.23 | Shadowcat | hah that would be added to qotd |
| 11:07.25 | Shadowcat | !qotd20 |
| 11:07.26 | dpkg | < ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN! |
| 11:07.28 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 11:07.31 | liable | hehe |
| 11:07.32 | Shadowcat | !qotd40 |
| 11:07.32 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 11:07.34 | phanter | Shadowcat: my local laptop uses Ubuntu... on xorg. is that a problem? |
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| 11:07.38 | wols | liable: and statements like that are why you will end up in hell. not the crossdressing thing no matter how morally guilty you feel about it |
| 11:07.46 | liable | hah |
| 11:07.48 | blondie | wols: well I have no idea what Miranda is :P |
| 11:08.01 | blondie | fireba11: irssi will run within cygwin on windows ;) |
| 11:08.14 | wols | blondie: windows IM client. main saving grace it's GPLed and not too bloated (for a IM client) |
| 11:08.24 | liable | oh dear, i am gonna have to change nicks cause now i am labeled as a cross dresser.!! |
| 11:08.24 | wols | irssi on windows is painful |
| 11:08.42 | wols | yes,y ou're liable for that :) |
| 11:08.45 | liable | though i *do* love the feeling of satin panties.. |
| 11:08.55 | liable | oops, did i just say that?? |
| 11:08.56 | Shadowcat | !qotd169 is <reply> <liable> wols: mirc r0x0rz |
| 11:08.56 | dpkg | okay, Shadowcat |
| 11:09.18 | wols | liable: now you really need to change nicks |
| 11:09.23 | liable | hehe |
| 11:09.35 | liable | wols: i really dont care :) |
| 11:10.13 | phanter | is it a problem if I forward a window via ssh from a debian system with XFree86 to a system using xorg? |
| 11:10.16 | liable | wols: irssi in putty is fine, whats the problem |
| 11:10.50 | junii | is it possible to give a user privs to judt one command, say ifup eth0 |
| 11:11.22 | wols | juni: sudo |
| 11:11.43 | junii | that the only way |
| 11:11.45 | junii | ? |
| 11:12.22 | wols | junii: script with suid bit set |
| 11:12.53 | junii | whats the suid bit? |
| 11:13.07 | liable | MatBoy: um, excuse me? thats a good way to dfeel the wrath!! :P |
| 11:13.27 | brtjohns | Anyone use azureus |
| 11:13.35 | Shadowcat | azureus needs to be c++ based |
| 11:13.39 | pipeline | phanter: It had better not be. |
| 11:13.47 | liable | !anyone use azureus? |
| 11:13.47 | dpkg | No, no one uses azureus, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:13.52 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Whatever for? |
| 11:14.19 | wols | pipeline: he wants to run it on his 486 32MB machine of course |
| 11:14.20 | pipeline | phanter: I mean, it had better not be a problem. It's supposed to work. But X.org breaks things. |
| 11:14.21 | Shadowcat | pipeline: I'm bored :P |
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| 11:14.50 | MatBoy | liable, I mean.... in the OpenSource community... there are some people that went nuts in my opinion. Borders are not borders anymore in the Licenses and so on.... |
| 11:15.32 | wols | MatBoy: are you rambling? |
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| 11:16.20 | MatBoy | wols, No, not what I try to do... but I see it so many times. |
| 11:16.47 | wols | you might not trying, but you're certainly succeeding |
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| 11:17.36 | MatBoy | wols, your opinion... there are too much opinions that become statements these days in the OS... in my opinion :) |
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| 11:18.31 | wols | you have an opinion? from what you write this is non-obvious :) |
| 11:18.40 | MatBoy | hehe |
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| 11:20.48 | ChrisW | hi all, I appear to be able to ssh from boxa to boxb without using a password. checking the ssh logs on boxb, it says I'm coming in via public key, where would I fidn the private key that's being used on boxa? |
| 11:21.03 | ChrisW | (cuz I want to delete it ;-) ) |
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| 11:21.22 | petemc | ChrisW: ~/.ssh |
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| 11:21.33 | ChrisW | okay, there's nothing there |
| 11:21.46 | ChrisW | wtf?! |
| 11:22.17 | blondie | ChrisW: use ssh -v to connection, and it'll tell you |
| 11:22.39 | blondie | -ion |
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| 11:23.45 | ChrisW | bizarre: debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1 |
| 11:24.03 | ChrisW | ls: /root/.ssh/identity: No such file or directory |
| 11:24.09 | ChrisW | wtf? (again...) |
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| 11:24.30 | liable | ChrisW: it doesnt even ask to hit enter? |
| 11:24.31 | petemc | does the next line say trying id_rsa ? |
| 11:25.32 | Heiko_x92 | wohoo... debian with gnome works 100% :D |
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| 11:25.53 | liable | Heiko_x92: dont worry, it will breah soon.. :P |
| 11:25.56 | junii2 | } |
| 11:26.00 | Heiko_x92 | :( |
| 11:26.02 | liable | break* |
| 11:26.12 | Heiko_x92 | :( :( :( |
| 11:26.30 | Heiko_x92 | why? debian is bad system? |
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| 11:26.58 | blondie | ChrisW: does it say: debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey). |
| 11:26.59 | blondie | ? |
| 11:27.11 | ChrisW | liable: no |
| 11:27.24 | ChrisW | petemc: yup |
| 11:27.29 | liable | Heiko_x92: no, if you have stable gnome, it will only break occansionaly :P |
| 11:27.46 | liable | Heiko_x92: i am pulling your leg |
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| 11:27.51 | ChrisW | blondie: yep |
| 11:27.55 | Heiko_x92 | why :D? |
| 11:28.23 | liable | Heiko_x92: ignore me, i am only being a tard. |
| 11:28.48 | Heiko_x92 | no you are funny :D |
| 11:29.22 | ChrisW | liable / petemc / blondie: any ideas? |
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| 11:31.53 | blondie | ChrisW: pastebin the entire ssh -v (lines starting with debug1) |
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| 11:32.15 | blondie | well, unless that's a security risk |
| 11:32.19 | ChrisW | pastebin of choice? |
| 11:32.35 | ChrisW | (and I don't see any sensitive information in there...) |
| 11:32.50 | blondie | !paste |
| 11:32.50 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 11:32.54 | Heiko_x92 | where are the apache index files? http://84.50.222.10 :| |
| 11:33.03 | blondie | Heiko_x92: usually in /var/www ? |
| 11:33.29 | Heiko_x92 | wow :D thanks... |
| 11:33.38 | ChrisW | http://paste.debian.net/8276 |
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| 11:34.17 | deyan | A question about apt-get, If I apt-get install a, a deps on b and c. |
| 11:34.21 | deyan | Now I apt-get remove a |
| 11:34.30 | deyan | How to ask apt to remove b and c? |
| 11:34.35 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 11:35.09 | fireba11 | dey you can do all at once .. |
| 11:35.34 | fireba11 | deyan apt-get remove packagea packageb packagec |
| 11:36.07 | blondie | ChrisW: that's weird, line 31 should show the filename of the key |
| 11:36.12 | deyan | fireba11, But How to if I forget b and c's name :-( |
| 11:36.18 | fireba11 | deyan or you want to remove dependancies no longer needed? |
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| 11:36.51 | ChrisW | blondie: any chance this is some bizarre agent forwarding thing> |
| 11:36.59 | deyan | fireba11, Yeah, that's what i want :-) |
| 11:37.01 | blondie | umm dunno o.o |
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| 11:37.24 | ChrisW | I'd be surprised that ssh -v didn't mention ti though... |
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| 11:38.13 | Fox | deyan: maybe you sould try deborphan |
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| 11:38.40 | deyan | ok, thanks Fox fireba11 |
| 11:38.46 | fireba11 | deyan was wondering how to do that myself for a while now |
| 11:38.55 | deyan | hehe |
| 11:39.09 | Heiko_x92 | okay... webmin... i've typed to terminal : apt-cache search webmin |
| 11:39.22 | Heiko_x92 | and i'vegot very large list of webmin things |
| 11:40.21 | Heiko_x92 | can i install them all with one click :)? |
| 11:41.48 | ChrisW | mmm, this disturbs me |
| 11:41.52 | ChrisW | what should I do now? |
| 11:42.01 | ChrisW | is there a more appropriate channel I could go to? |
| 11:42.07 | Heiko_x92 | like?-> apt-cache install webmin -all ? |
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| 11:44.54 | nadjyla | hello |
| 11:44.59 | Heiko_x92 | hello ! |
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| 11:45.38 | nadjyla | nice wine 0.9.14 |
| 11:46.09 | nadjyla | pantel to control quality of sound, very useful |
| 11:46.12 | nadjyla | panel |
| 11:46.32 | raf256 | how can I reopen a bug #1234? by sending a message to 1234@... instead of 1234-done@... ? |
| 11:46.49 | raf256 | or is it only for debian devels, and I must make a new submit? |
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| 11:47.37 | stew | raf256: go to bugs.debian.org and click on the "manipulating bugs by email" link |
| 11:47.40 | solars | anyone got a clue why mysql-admin freezes when clicking on "User Administration" with default unstable install ? |
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| 11:51.19 | fireba11 | solars what does the log say ? |
| 11:52.03 | solars | fireba11, nothing, its empty :) |
| 11:52.41 | Heiko_x92 | one more problem... where i can get to root? |
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| 11:53.04 | Heiko_x92 | i need to install webmin.. it needs root.. |
| 11:53.17 | Heiko_x92 | sorry about thi question :( |
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| 11:55.21 | pitillo | Heiko_x92, using debian or ubuntu? |
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| 11:55.37 | Heiko_x92 | debian :) why i am on debian channel then :D? |
| 11:55.53 | wols | Heiko_x92: log in as root, the install it |
| 11:56.07 | pitillo | Heiko_x92, its quite strange your Q, sorry :) |
| 11:56.10 | Heiko_x92 | how to log in? main login screen does not allow it |
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| 11:57.20 | pitillo | Heiko_x92, what about using su ? (I dont understand what is the main login) |
| 11:57.49 | Heiko_x92 | gnome login screen :) |
| 11:58.02 | wols | Heiko_x92: log in normally, then use "su" in a console and enter your root password when prompted |
| 11:58.06 | vaggie | Hello, after installing XEN and running "xend start" it shutdowns my eth0 and if i ifup eth0 again it cant ping anything not even my GW? - Any ideas? |
| 11:59.00 | Heiko_x92 | wow... thanks :D |
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| 12:04.48 | phanter | when i login with ssh -X ipaddress -l username then I do not get a shel, but I jsut added a shell to the user via usermod -s /bin/bash username ... what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:06.00 | Heiko_x92 | where is perl really located :D ? |
| 12:06.29 | wols | dpkg -L perl |
| 12:06.29 | dpkg | ii perl 3.6-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:06.44 | Heiko_x92 | no it was installing perl |
| 12:06.46 | wols | enter what I typed into aconsole. |
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| 12:07.06 | Heiko_x92 | yes |
| 12:07.14 | phanter | when i login with ssh -X ipaddress -l username then I do not get a shel, but I jsut added a shell to the user via usermod -s /bin/bash username ... what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:07.29 | wols | we've seen it the first time |
| 12:07.41 | Heiko_x92 | wow :D big list |
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| 12:09.20 | kamoricks | I've run the NVIDIA installer with CC="gcc-4.0" to match my kernel. Why arn't the modules loading if I have the old NVIDIA driver location (I'm lazy) and the new other module locations in my module path? |
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| 12:09.39 | Fox | don't use the nvidia installer |
| 12:09.51 | Heiko_x92 | usr / lib / perl is right, when there are 2 directoryes in this dict |
| 12:10.17 | kamoricks | ..Alrighty, how should I install driver 8756 then? |
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| 12:11.11 | Fox | kamoricks: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 12:21.53 | kamoricks | Even after the one-liner, x says that it can't find my nvidia kernel. What should I do now? |
| 12:22.10 | sonasks | what package to install by apt-get to get X server up and running ? |
| 12:23.08 | streuner | x-window-system |
| 12:23.11 | Heiko_x92 | i cant change or delete any files when logged in with main account |
| 12:23.25 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: Er, what is 'main' account? A user? What message do you get? |
| 12:23.32 | sonasks | package not found :( |
| 12:23.48 | Heiko_x92 | created at installation... not root user :D |
| 12:23.51 | sonasks | i have stable sources from netinst |
| 12:23.58 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: Alrighty. What message are you getting? |
| 12:24.15 | Heiko_x92 | Cant make backup file -> Cant change file |
| 12:24.27 | sonasks | ok, got it |
| 12:24.44 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: Check your .bashrc for aliases to rm |
| 12:24.49 | streuner | sonacks: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 12:24.55 | Heiko_x92 | ? |
| 12:25.07 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: I know there's an option that'll try to make backups before removing files. You don't want that one. |
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| 12:25.44 | Heiko_x92 | no...i want to have access to all:D |
| 12:25.58 | Heiko_x92 | but cant login to graphical mode with root |
| 12:26.06 | wols | Heiko_x92: unlike windows, linux actually uses the user/administrator split and enforces and uses different permissions for different files and actions |
| 12:26.06 | kamoricks | Sure you can. |
| 12:26.12 | wols | only root can install or remove software |
| 12:26.12 | kamoricks | Although you shouldn't. |
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| 12:26.34 | wols | your user ONLY can create and delete files in its home directory /home/useraccount |
| 12:26.59 | wols | Heiko_x92: you do NO want to run always as root on a server |
| 12:27.04 | Heiko_x92 | aha... but how can i set the full access for user |
| 12:27.09 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: You don't. |
| 12:27.12 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: That's what root is for. |
| 12:27.31 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: If you ever need to do something that requires root, just `su` over. |
| 12:27.33 | Jemt | Heiko_x92: What folder do you need access to ? |
| 12:27.35 | Heiko_x92 | aha :D root is only for terminal :( ? |
| 12:27.43 | Jemt | Heiko_x92: No |
| 12:27.47 | Heiko_x92 | every folder :D |
| 12:27.49 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: There are terminal emulators for X. |
| 12:27.55 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: Not at once. |
| 12:27.58 | Jemt | Heiko_x92: Ah, ok. No, you don't need or want that |
| 12:28.00 | Heiko_x92 | i am running gnome :D |
| 12:28.07 | kamoricks | Heiko_x92: Don't care. |
| 12:28.15 | Heiko_x92 | okay :( |
| 12:28.27 | Jemt | Heiko_x92: If you need to run a program as root, you can run it with 'gksu <program>'. You need root priveleges to run ie. Firestarter (Firewall) |
| 12:30.59 | kamoricks | I've followed all the steps in order with the nvidia one-liner. However, I used my driver .run's --uninstall switch during it. X currently complains I have no nvidia driver loaded. What should I do now? |
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| 12:32.06 | Jemt | kamoricks: Do you need hardware accelleration? Otherwise the build-in nVidia driver is just fine |
| 12:32.15 | kamoricks | Jemt: Er, yes, I do. |
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| 12:32.23 | Jemt | kamoricks: Er, ok |
| 12:32.48 | Jemt | kamoricks: Using Xfree or Xorg ? |
| 12:32.53 | kamoricks | Xorg. |
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| 12:33.20 | Jemt | kamoricks: Sure it is using the right driver? (check /etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
| 12:33.33 | Jemt | kamoricks: Also, check to see whether the driver has been loaded ; 'lsmod' |
| 12:33.41 | kamoricks | Should be 'nvidia', right? |
| 12:33.48 | Jemt | kamoricks: I'm not sure I can help you any further |
| 12:33.57 | Jemt | kamoricks: I would think so, not sure though |
| 12:34.14 | kamoricks | lsmod | grep nvidia gives me: nvidia 4544916 0 |
| 12:34.35 | Jemt | Hm, ok. Seems to be loaded |
| 12:34.51 | Jemt | try this; rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia |
| 12:34.54 | Jemt | Any errors? |
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| 12:34.58 | Jemt | (As root, ofcause) |
| 12:35.17 | kamoricks | No errors, per se, but I get two lines of output. |
| 12:35.19 | Jemt | kamoricks: Also, check the last couple of lines in 'dmesg' for errors |
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| 12:35.25 | Jemt | kamoricks: Paste |
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| 12:35.45 | Jemt | !pastebin |
| 12:35.45 | BlueBeret | hi, what is the command to list all installed packages (and possibly their versions)? |
| 12:35.46 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:36.21 | fluxdude | does anybody know how to make mount -t cifs show all files and folders in lower case, I can't find anything in the man for this, nocase doesn't give this effect... |
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| 12:37.59 | kamoricks | Kinda random, but how would I get a link's address in w3m? |
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| 12:38.35 | kamoricks | Jemt: Meh. Due to the limits of the terminal, can't give you a direct link. It's the newest paste by 'kamoricks' on pastebin.ca |
| 12:38.38 | ChrisW | what command do I use to do an md5 checksum of a file? |
| 12:38.48 | Jemt | kamoricks: Checking |
| 12:38.54 | Fox | ChrisW: md5sum ? |
| 12:38.55 | kamoricks | ChrisW: md5sum |
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| 12:38.59 | ChrisW | ta |
| 12:39.47 | mantonio | does the debian installation of mysql automatically initializes the grant table or it has to be done by the user? |
| 12:39.55 | Jemt | kamoricks: That's from dmesg. What about the two lines you mentioned ? |
| 12:40.05 | kamoricks | Jemt: Ah, I'll paste those real quick. |
| 12:40.20 | Jemt | mantang0: What do you mean? MySQL works out of the box - except that the root account dosn't have a password |
| 12:40.26 | Jemt | kamoricks: :) |
| 12:40.42 | stew | mantonio: yes and it adds a "debian-sys-maint" user, read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*/README.Debian |
| 12:41.13 | mantonio | Jemt: i can login to mysql but cannot create new user, with mysqladmin, that is. |
| 12:41.34 | Jemt | mantang0: You can set a root password like this ; 'grant all privileges on *.* to 'root'@'xx' IDENTIFIED by 'password'. Replace xx with 'localhost' for localhost access only, % for remote access |
| 12:42.10 | Jemt | mantang0: Well, dunno. I'm using MySQL Query Browser to execute cammands |
| 12:42.36 | Jemt | mantang0: Do you have command line access to the DB ? |
| 12:42.40 | mantonio | Jemt: do u not have to create a non-root user? |
| 12:43.03 | Jemt | mantang0: It has already been created |
| 12:43.17 | Jemt | Besides, as far as I remember, the Grant statement creates the user if it does not exist |
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| 12:43.24 | Jemt | Not completely sure though |
| 12:43.25 | Fox | mantonio: and what is the error you get when trying to create a user ? |
| 12:43.41 | Fox | yes it does Jemt |
| 12:43.42 | kamoricks | Er. Apparently I can't copy it to a file, so... PCI:Interrupt:<PCI Address> -> GSI 26 (level,low) -> IRQ 201 <\n> NVRM: Loading NVIDIA driver <longdate> |
| 12:43.51 | Jemt | Fox: Ok, thanks :) |
| 12:43.53 | mantonio | Fox: mysqladmin freezes, on waiting. |
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| 12:44.06 | Jemt | kamoricks: Hm, seems fine |
| 12:44.14 | Fox | mantonio: why do you use 'mysqladmin', what don't you use 'mysql' ? |
| 12:44.31 | kamoricks | Jemt: Okay, wow, thanks. Works now for... some reason. |
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| 12:44.48 | Jemt | kamoricks: Try running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. You should be able to find a driver called 'nvidia' or something there. The 'nv' driver is the original nVidia driver without hardware accelleration |
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| 12:44.51 | Fox | kamoricks: do you see the nvidia module when doing an lsmod ? |
| 12:44.52 | mantonio | Fox: to create new user is an administration task, not a database task. |
| 12:44.57 | Jemt | kamoricks: Hehe, ok :) |
| 12:45.10 | kamoricks | Fox: Yes... and it works now. |
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| 12:45.22 | Fox | administration task ? what's that ? |
| 12:45.27 | Jemt | kamoricks: Try rebooting. I should still work. I probably would have, if you had performed a reboot before rmmod // modprobe |
| 12:45.30 | Fox | kamoricks: cool |
| 12:45.32 | Jemt | I = it |
| 12:45.45 | mantonio | Fox: r u serious? |
| 12:46.04 | Fox | mantonio: yes I am, I'm not a DBA you know :) |
| 12:46.27 | Jemt | mantonio: Do you have a command-line interface to MySQL? |
| 12:46.36 | Jemt | mantonio: Then we can setup the stuff you need from there |
| 12:47.33 | mantonio | Jemt: yes, and i am going to try the command u gave earlier on. |
| 12:47.41 | Fox | mantonio: do you know that runing mysqladmin is the same than runing 'mysql -p' as root ? |
| 12:47.48 | amc | is there anyone who can help me with the cyrillic subs on vlc? |
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| 12:48.20 | mantonio | Fox: yeh, accept that with mysqladmin i don't have to remember commands. |
| 12:48.29 | mantonio | except |
| 12:48.54 | Jemt | mantonio: You first need to create a database; 'create database <db-name>'. Then you create the user. In this case, we will grant him/her full access to that DB; 'grant all priveleges on <db-name>.* TO '<username>'@'xx' IDENTIFIED BY '<password>' |
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| 12:50.15 | Jemt | mantonio: Remember to replace xx as described earlier :) |
| 12:50.20 | Fox | I think it would be more useful if he would read something like http://www.programmershelp.co.uk/mysqlgrantrevoke.php |
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| 12:51.50 | Jemt | Actually the MySQL manual is quite good too |
| 12:52.01 | Jemt | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/grant.html |
| 12:52.15 | Jemt | Oh, same thing ^^; |
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| 12:52.38 | Fox | :) |
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| 12:53.19 | Rebecca | hey people. what /dev/? file represent the parallel port in debian testing? |
| 12:53.29 | Rebecca | represents* |
| 12:55.08 | Fox | /dev/ttys0 and /dev/ttyS1 ? |
| 12:55.13 | Fox | s/s0/S0/ |
| 12:55.36 | Rebecca | oh i thought those were for serial ports |
| 12:55.38 | Rebecca | ok :) |
| 12:55.42 | Fox | oups |
| 12:56.23 | Rebecca | maybe ptya0 |
| 12:56.37 | Rebecca | looks like the parallel equiv i _guess_ |
| 12:56.38 | Rebecca | :) |
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| 12:57.34 | Rebecca | or not.. |
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| 13:00.00 | Fox | Rebecca: got it, /dev/lp(0|1|2) |
| 13:00.21 | Fox | maybe you should subscribe the linux parport mailinglist |
| 13:00.49 | Rebecca | hmmm.. i dont have those in my dev.. im using udev if that makes a difference |
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| 13:02.35 | junii | how do I find out what graphics driver im using? |
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| 13:03.09 | Jemt | junii: Running XFree86 or xorg ? |
| 13:03.30 | Jemt | junii: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xfree86.conf |
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| 13:04.08 | Jemt | junii: Check 'Section "Device"', "Driver" |
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| 13:04.27 | junii | and isn't it possible to get the bootime text to show using this driver rather than standard vga |
| 13:04.46 | Jemt | junii: That I don't know :) |
| 13:05.21 | Jemt | Oh, btw. Is it possible to step-through the boot sequence? I get a few errors, but the text disappears before I can read it |
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| 13:07.38 | Dewi | Wizardling: yes. |
| 13:07.45 | Dewi | oops |
| 13:07.46 | Dewi | wrong window |
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| 13:10.03 | Fox | Jemt: use netconsole to log boot sequence somewhere else :) |
| 13:10.44 | Jemt | Fox: Oh, ok - havn't head about it before, but Google can probably enlighten me - thanks :) |
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| 13:11.10 | Fox | you're welcome :) |
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| 13:13.39 | Jemt | Fox: Hm, is that really the most easy thing to do? Isn't it possible to jump into interactive mode when I can push a key to continue or something like that ? |
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| 13:13.52 | Jemt | 'easiest thing' even |
| 13:14.08 | Jemt | when = where |
| 13:14.18 | Jemt | push = press |
| 13:14.23 | undesktop | as far as I see, the Debian kernel image (package "linux-image-686") doesn't include the software suspend2 patch; is that correct? |
| 13:14.39 | Rebecca | anyone know how access the parallel ports with a debian udev system? |
| 13:15.08 | undesktop | Rebecca: see package libieee1284-3 |
| 13:16.16 | junii | what command tells me my kernel version? |
| 13:16.23 | Jemt | junii: uname-r |
| 13:16.26 | Rebecca | i just need a device in /dev/ not any fancy routines... (which im assuming that provides?) |
| 13:16.28 | Jemt | junii: 'uname -r' |
| 13:16.41 | junii | cheers |
| 13:16.51 | brtjohns | i just download azureus_2.2.0.2-1_i386.deb whats the command on Debian to install that, i see it download to /tmp folder |
| 13:16.57 | undesktop | Rebecca: AFAIK udev sucks so hard because it's so hard to configure |
| 13:17.06 | Jemt | Rebecca: To my knowledge it should be /dev/lpt0-1-2. Maybe Debian did not detect your ports (?) |
| 13:17.08 | undesktop | Rebecca: maybe try the static /dev under /dev/.static |
| 13:17.22 | Rebecca | undesktop: okay |
| 13:17.44 | undesktop | Rebecca: ups, sorry, it wasn't /dev/.static |
| 13:18.22 | Rebecca | Jan 1 11:07:25 debian kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,EPP] |
| 13:18.22 | Rebecca | Jan 1 11:07:25 debian kernel: parport_pc: VIA parallel port: io=0x378, irq=7 |
| 13:18.28 | Rebecca | it detects it |
| 13:18.28 | Rebecca | hmm |
| 13:18.31 | undesktop | hm, Debian doesn't seem to make the static dev accessable anymore |
| 13:18.31 | Fox | brtjohns: dpkg -i /tmp/azureus_2.2.0.2-1_i386.deb |
| 13:18.41 | undesktop | then just deinstall udev |
| 13:18.59 | undesktop | or read how you can create device files with mknod |
| 13:19.07 | Rebecca | okay |
| 13:19.31 | Rebecca | aww, i thought udev would be a good thing. lol. oh well, early days. thanks :) |
| 13:19.45 | brtjohns | thnx fox |
| 13:19.50 | stew | Rebecca: try modprobe parport |
| 13:20.00 | undesktop | Rebecca: try man mknod and less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt |
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| 13:20.09 | stew | Rebecca: and modprobe parport_pc |
| 13:20.27 | Fox | Rebecca: do you have lpX under /dev/usb/ ? |
| 13:20.36 | brtjohns | DebiancloWn:/tmp# dpkg -i /tmp/azureus_2.2.0.2-1_i386.deb |
| 13:20.37 | brtjohns | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 13:20.37 | dpkg | brtjohns: i already had it that way |
| 13:20.45 | stew | Rebecca: oh, i see that you already had them loaded |
| 13:20.51 | stew | Rebecca: what version of udev do you have installed? |
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| 13:21.06 | Jemt | brtjohns: Switch to 'root' |
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| 13:21.26 | Jemt | brtjohns: |
| 13:21.30 | Jemt | brtjohns: su <enter> |
| 13:21.34 | stew | brtjohns: you have some other dpkg / apt-get / aptitude process running that needs to be killed first |
| 13:21.37 | stew | Jemt: he is root |
| 13:21.43 | Jemt | stew: Ok |
| 13:21.59 | Rebecca | 0.093-1 |
| 13:22.10 | Rebecca | (udev ver) |
| 13:22.17 | brtjohns | i am root |
| 13:22.18 | Rebecca | undesktop: okay |
| 13:22.31 | stew | Rebecca: don't use mknod with udev |
| 13:22.37 | Rebecca | ok |
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| 13:22.46 | undesktop | stew: hm, should still work |
| 13:22.55 | undesktop | stew: of course it's not the nice way |
| 13:23.00 | stew | undesktop: its not a solution then, do you want her to run it every time she boots? |
| 13:23.10 | stew | Rebecca: you might try /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
| 13:23.15 | undesktop | stew: I do so! |
| 13:23.18 | brtjohns | oh i have synaptic open |
| 13:23.27 | undesktop | stew: and it makes me hate udev :-) |
| 13:24.09 | stew | Rebecca: also see if you have /dev/printers maybe? |
| 13:24.14 | pipeline | there are plenty of reasons to hate udev |
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| 13:24.28 | stew | Rebecca: and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 13:25.37 | Rebecca | debian:~# uname -r |
| 13:25.38 | Rebecca | 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 13:25.46 | Rebecca | no /dev/printers |
| 13:25.48 | stew | that should be fine |
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| 13:26.47 | Rebecca | http://rafb.net/paste/results/xq75x521.html <- my /dev |
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| 13:27.55 | Fox | Rebecca: are you sure you have parallel port support in your kernel ? :) |
| 13:28.00 | stew | she does |
| 13:28.08 | undesktop | arg these stupid guys which killed devfs |
| 13:28.18 | Fox | ok |
| 13:28.28 | stew | undesktop: nobody wanted to develop it, if you do, go for it |
| 13:28.52 | Rebecca | im just trying to run a simple little program that changes the state of a few parport pins.. lol |
| 13:28.53 | undesktop | stew: but there were many to develop udev? I don't get this, since udev makes so many problems |
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| 13:29.16 | spyroboy | heya |
| 13:29.39 | spyroboy | I installed a buisness card-sized version of Debian |
| 13:29.39 | stew | undesktop: yes, udev is getting lots work done with it, there have been lots and lots of features added in the last year |
| 13:29.45 | Rebecca | maybe i should just go back to dev *sigh* |
| 13:30.02 | spyroboy | What packages do I need to install to get Gnome? |
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| 13:30.37 | stew | Rebecca: can you pastebin the output of "grep -r lp /etc/udev/" ? |
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| 13:30.51 | tralala | spyroboy: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 13:30.52 | undesktop | Rebecca: Debian used to mount the static /dev too, but now this doesn't seem to be the case anymore |
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| 13:31.30 | Rebecca | http://rafb.net/paste/results/xfsvIR55.html |
| 13:32.38 | undesktop | haha udev makes you to write strange scripts; I love it |
| 13:32.40 | Rebecca | the motherboard is an Via Epia 5000... if that sheds some light on it. hehe |
| 13:32.57 | undesktop | earlier you needed MAKEDEV, now you need a whole set of scripts |
| 13:32.59 | Jemt | spyroboy: To install Gnome : apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome-desktop-environment xscreensaver |
| 13:33.34 | spyroboy | Jemt: do I need xscreensaver if I don't want it? |
| 13:33.40 | Jemt | spyroboy: Nope |
| 13:33.46 | spyroboy | Ah, thanks. :) |
| 13:33.51 | Rebecca | will removing udev kill my system? |
| 13:33.51 | Jemt | spyroboy: But Gnome will complaing about it in Stable repositories |
| 13:33.55 | tralala | undesktop: take it or leave it - that's the deal |
| 13:34.11 | Jemt | spyroboy: I complained on my system. |
| 13:34.14 | undesktop | Rebecca: no |
| 13:34.26 | abrotman | you probably will need udev unless you replcae it with something else |
| 13:34.27 | spyroboy | Jemt: Ah, okay. If it starts complaining, I'll just install it. |
| 13:34.33 | tralala | Rebecca: I don't think you can remove it on 2.6.12 or later |
| 13:34.36 | Jemt | spyroboy: Exactly, good idea :) |
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| 13:34.45 | spyroboy | Jemt: thanks for the warning. :) |
| 13:34.53 | Jemt | spyroboy: Hehe, you are welcome :) |
| 13:34.58 | undesktop | tralala: well, I'm just accepting what the Debian devers throw into unstable... I tolerate it, allthough I like to bitch about it |
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| 13:35.09 | Rebecca | no.. i got a big warning.. fun fun |
| 13:35.19 | abrotman | Rebecca: what's the actual issue? |
| 13:35.22 | undesktop | Rebecca: AFAIK udev isn't required |
| 13:35.23 | Hexidigital_ | what smtp mailserver program is installed by default? is it postfix? |
| 13:35.30 | abrotman | exim usually |
| 13:35.40 | Hexidigital_ | thx |
| 13:35.42 | Jemt | exim3 here |
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| 13:35.47 | petemc | sarge comes with exim4 |
| 13:35.55 | Rebecca | i just want to change the state of the parallel port with a little util.. but i need to supply it with the device filename |
| 13:35.59 | Jemt | Yes, sorry. Think it is 4, yes |
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| 13:36.15 | undesktop | omg why does Debian want to deinstall the kernel package with "apt-get remove udev"? |
| 13:36.16 | tralala | Rebecca: and it isn't /dev/lp0? |
| 13:36.30 | spyroboy | I love how it's so easy to install stuff on Debian. |
| 13:36.44 | Rebecca | tralala: i have no lp* |
| 13:36.49 | Rebecca | in dev |
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| 13:36.54 | abrotman | undesktop: it depends on udev apparently |
| 13:37.06 | abrotman | undesktop: apt-cache show <pkg> .. see what the depends are |
| 13:37.32 | tralala | Rebecca: what's the output of dmesg | grep -i parport |
| 13:37.46 | undesktop | abrotman: I think vanilla Linux still works without udev and with a static /dev |
| 13:37.56 | undesktop | maybe it depends on some config options... |
| 13:37.56 | Rebecca | http://rafb.net/paste/results/90D0B034.html |
| 13:38.04 | abrotman | undesktop: devfs is deprecated in vanilla too |
| 13:38.19 | abrotman | you have no /dev/parport0 ? |
| 13:38.24 | jwickard | I want to pass some parameters at boot when my alsa driver is loaded. The only reference I can find to the alsa driver is in /etc/modules.d/sound would this be the file to modify to add the parameters to the driver? |
| 13:38.26 | undesktop | abrotman: devfs, yes, but a static /dev |
| 13:38.41 | abrotman | i don't think there is one anymore |
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| 13:38.56 | abrotman | undesktop: if you really want to know .. ask #kernel |
| 13:39.02 | Rebecca | abrotman: no i dont have /dev/parport0 |
| 13:39.20 | undesktop | Rebecca: try "mknod lp0 c 6 0" (but beware that I could be wrong)= |
| 13:39.24 | blondie | Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:36:56 +0100 |
| 13:39.24 | blondie | From: Wendy Sorrell <W.Sorrell@kent.ac.uk> |
| 13:39.24 | blondie | To: Computing Service Helpdesk <helpdesk@kent.ac.uk> |
| 13:39.28 | blondie | oops |
| 13:39.32 | abrotman | SPAM! |
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| 13:39.53 | Rebecca | undesktop: what was that supposed to do? |
| 13:40.08 | undesktop | Rebecca: create a device file "lp0" like it exists in my /dev |
| 13:40.13 | Rebecca | nope |
| 13:40.19 | Rebecca | hmmmm |
| 13:40.39 | undesktop | there's also /dev/parport0 with c 99 0 |
| 13:41.08 | tralala | Rebecca: can you paste the output of mount and cat /proc/mounts |
| 13:41.13 | stew | !dbugs 351668 |
| 13:41.16 | dpkg | DONE:#351668:I[udev] Parallel port /dev/lp0 is not created on boot; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:03:02 UTC |
| 13:41.18 | stew | that one is nice and not useful |
| 13:41.35 | abarbu | Is it possible to use apt to install things in my home directory? (since I don't have root) |
| 13:41.35 | Rebecca | tralala: ok |
| 13:42.03 | Rebecca | http://rafb.net/paste/results/aLldwy54.html |
| 13:42.03 | undesktop | Rebecca: oh right, look what stew said, and update udev |
| 13:42.28 | undesktop | Rebecca: oh, you actually have a static dev under /dev/.static/dev |
| 13:42.33 | Rebecca | ok |
| 13:42.47 | stew | Rebecca: already has the latest udev |
| 13:43.50 | Rebecca | still no parport or lp in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 13:44.06 | abrotman | there won't be |
| 13:44.07 | tralala | I wonder what's that http://rafb.net/paste/results/aLldwy54.html |
| 13:44.09 | Rebecca | ok |
| 13:44.28 | tralala | ops, I mean that - /dev/hda1 /dev/.static/dev ext3 rw,noatime,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 13:45.03 | Rebecca | mount it? |
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| 13:45.24 | Rebecca | oh. nvm |
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| 13:46.30 | tralala | Rebecca: does it appear if you try to reload the parport_pc and parport modules? |
| 13:47.00 | Rebecca | tralala: by modprobe parport_pc or parport ? |
| 13:47.07 | rohan | i have deb sid running .. this 'problem' occurs from the day i have installed and been using it - i am making sure that bittorrent service is removed using sysv-rc-config and update-rc.d .. yet on shutdown the message appears "Stopping bittorrent tracker - bttrack" and there is no \n after it, so ofcourse it ugle-fies my output |
| 13:47.15 | rohan | is it a known 'problem' ? |
| 13:47.18 | stew | Rebecca: try "modprobe lp" |
| 13:47.23 | tralala | Rebecca: first unload them (modprobe -r) |
| 13:47.32 | stew | rohan: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:47.43 | rohan | stew: hmm.. i should've guess :( |
| 13:47.43 | zinx | rohan: that sounds an awfully lot like ubuntu, not debian. you might try #ubuntu. |
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| 13:48.05 | Rebecca | debian:~# modprobe -r parport |
| 13:48.05 | Rebecca | FATAL: Module parport is in use. |
| 13:48.06 | rohan | zinx: you want proof that i am on debian sid ? |
| 13:48.40 | Rebecca | and: FATAL: Module parport_pc is in use. |
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| 13:48.53 | ktwilight | has anyone got twiki installed on sarge? |
| 13:49.04 | tralala | Rebecca: do you have the "lp" module loaded? |
| 13:49.12 | zinx | rohan: grep -ril bittorrent /etc/init.d |
| 13:49.15 | rhalff_ | hi, I need to add a an extra compile options to a debian source packages, but the rules file kinda puzzles me and is autogenerated from something, where can I add this compile option ? |
| 13:49.16 | stew | Rebecca: if you "modprobe lp" you should end up with /dev/lp0 |
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| 13:50.23 | rohan | zinx: just one line "/etc/init.d/bittorrent" |
| 13:50.58 | zinx | rohan: and it's been removed from all /etc/rc.*/ dirs? |
| 13:51.05 | rohan | zinx: yes |
| 13:51.12 | zinx | rohan: sure? :D |
| 13:51.14 | Rebecca | stew: nope. does not appear |
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| 13:51.25 | Rebecca | and yeah. i have lp loaded |
| 13:51.26 | zinx | rohan: find /etc/rc* -name \*bittorrent |
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| 13:51.36 | Rebecca | and tried removing / readding it too |
| 13:51.46 | rohan | ahh.. |
| 13:51.47 | rohan | /etc/rc0.d/K20bittorrent |
| 13:51.48 | rohan | /etc/rc6.d/K20bittorrent |
| 13:51.52 | rohan | wtf :S |
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| 13:52.25 | rohan | omg |
| 13:52.27 | rohan | what is this ? |
| 13:52.30 | rohan | [rohan@debian ~]$ sudo update-rc.d bittorrent remove |
| 13:52.31 | rohan | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/bittorrent exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 13:52.51 | spyroboy | Uh, while I was installed gnome, I lost connection and about a dozen packages didn't install.. |
| 13:52.52 | Fox | use -f then |
| 13:52.56 | undesktop | Rebecca: so use mknod |
| 13:53.08 | spyroboy | how do I install them? It kind-of skipped them. |
| 13:53.20 | tralala | spyroboy: apt-get -f install |
| 13:53.45 | rohan | zinx: what message is that ? first time i am seeing it :S |
| 13:53.45 | spyroboy | Oh. |
| 13:53.47 | spyroboy | Thank you. |
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| 13:55.02 | junii | im running sarge and i cant get emacs. Is it available for sarge? |
| 13:55.11 | Cae2 | Hi, after install debian I can boot it, any tips? the instalation goes fine... I tried to install with d-i 2.6.15, it found my HD (SATA 2 HDD 250GB) and install, grub doesnt show errors (during grub-install) but the system doesnt boot (grub doesnt start) |
| 13:55.11 | stew | junii: yes, apt-get install emacs |
| 13:55.11 | rohan | !emacs |
| 13:55.12 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 13:55.25 | zinx | rohan: dunno. |
| 13:55.32 | Rebecca | soooo.. there is no way i can get the system to automaticly detect and add it... i hate to whine.. but this is painfull just to access a simple parallel port.. |
| 13:55.37 | tralala | junii: change your mirror |
| 13:55.53 | junii | well, im using the main debian ones |
| 13:55.55 | tralala | !info emacs sarge |
| 13:55.55 | stew | rohan: it looks like it was already removed |
| 13:56.00 | Cae2 | ops, cant boot it |
| 13:56.06 | rohan | stew: oh, then what should i do ? |
| 13:56.17 | stew | rohan: those 2 K lines are just saying, when we reboot or halt, make sure that it is really stopped (K means kill) |
| 13:56.28 | Cae2 | Stew, using that d-i with 2.6.15 kernel doesnt solve my problem |
| 13:56.36 | stew | rohan: i don't think you have a problem |
| 13:56.39 | rohan | stew: yes, i do know that, but would it not be safe to remove them, seeing that it's not started even ? |
| 13:56.49 | stew | rohan: it would be safe |
| 13:56.50 | tralala | !info emacs21 sarge |
| 13:56.52 | dpkg | emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1957 kB, Installed size: 5904 kB |
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| 13:56.58 | undesktop | "<dpkg> emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended." allready? it's been there since dozens of years! |
| 13:57.01 | tralala | junii: there |
| 13:57.01 | Jemt | tralala: /msg dpkg help |
| 13:57.11 | Jemt | tralala: I'm not sure you can use !info |
| 13:57.16 | stew | Cae2: if sarge 2.6.15 doesn't work then neither will the etch beta, they are the same kernel |
| 13:57.24 | tralala | Jemt: look above |
| 13:57.32 | Jemt | Oh sorry :) |
| 13:57.47 | rohan | stew: but its not a bug or mistake from debians side ? (just asking for my info) |
| 13:57.50 | Cae2 | stew, so debian is incompatible with sata 2 drives? |
| 13:57.58 | stew | rohan: no its not, afaik |
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| 13:58.10 | rohan | ok, stew |
| 13:58.13 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:58.25 | junii | tralala: thanks. For the future, I find it annoying that everytime I want to get a package through ap-get I have to look at the debian website to find out the name of the package to type in. I sthere a way around this? |
| 13:58.26 | Eulex | Cae2, it all depends on your chipset. it has nothing to do with your drives. |
| 13:58.31 | rohan | stew: i still dont get that message that update-rc.d is displaying . .what is a rc.d purge ? and why cant it remove the symlinks ? |
| 13:58.39 | abrotman | Netcad: to do what? |
| 13:58.41 | wols | junii: apt-cache search |
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| 13:58.50 | junii | ahhh |
| 13:58.50 | stew | junii: apt-cache search emacs or apt-cache search --names-only emacs |
| 13:58.52 | tralala | junii: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:59.07 | Fox | Netcad: first read about postfix, then read about dovecot |
| 13:59.07 | Cae2 | Eulex, chipset of motherbord? its an intel 945, I have another board with debian running fine (with IDE HD) |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | i'm sure there are plenty of docs at www.postfix.org |
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| 13:59.34 | stew | rohan: the message is saying that it thinks its odd that you want to remove the symlinks since the init script is still there in /etc/init.d, if you "-f remove" you won't see this message. |
| 13:59.39 | tiny | Hi! I can't find xntp. (apt-cache search xntp) What should I use for time sync? |
| 13:59.43 | Eulex | Cae2, no, chipset of the sata controller. I'd guess that you're got either an ICH6 or ICH7 |
| 13:59.51 | pipeline | tiny: ntpdate |
| 13:59.53 | stew | tiny: ntpdate and ntp-simple |
| 14:00.07 | Eulex | Cae2, did you try both kernels that are included with sarge? |
| 14:00.15 | Cae2 | ICH7 |
| 14:00.18 | pipeline | Eulex, Cae2 : ICH7 won't work with sarge. It does work with etch. |
| 14:00.29 | tiny | ntpdate + chron? |
| 14:00.32 | Netcad | abrotman : to use multiple domains |
| 14:00.33 | wols | Cae2: if your grub does not start it wasn't properly installed or your BIOS doesn't recognuize your SATA2 disk. no fault of debian since it doesn't even run yet |
| 14:00.39 | rohan | stew: yes, but why is it strange to remove the symlinks, i dont want the service to start or stop .. and -f will remove the symlinks or the script itself ? |
| 14:00.42 | junii | also, is there a package that includes all enetwork tools such as dig, port scanner, tracert |
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| 14:00.48 | Eulex | pipeline, I know. ICH6 will work if he chooses the 2.4.27 kernel, though. |
| 14:00.51 | stew | rohan: -f will just remove the symlinks |
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| 14:00.57 | Cae2 | wols, you're right... |
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| 14:01.09 | wols | junii: no. dig is bind-tools. ping is always installed, nmap is a port scanner, etc |
| 14:01.12 | tiny | I need a deamon to update time regulary. As far as I know ntpdate only updates time once. |
| 14:01.14 | stew | rohan: i don't think its strange, the author just wanted to put that check in there for whatever reason. |
| 14:01.14 | Cae2 | but... bios shows me the name of HDD at least |
| 14:01.15 | rohan | ok, thanks for explaining it , stew :) |
| 14:01.19 | Cae2 | what more can it be? |
| 14:01.24 | Eulex | pipeline, ah, he said ICH7, nm |
| 14:01.25 | junii | k, thanks |
| 14:01.29 | wols | tiny: run a cronjob with ntpdate |
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| 14:01.49 | wols | Cae2: grub wrongly installed. where did you install it? |
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| 14:02.14 | peacekeeper | which linux is best? :D |
| 14:02.26 | Cae2 | d-i install it for me.... with d-i for sarge it install on /dev/hda . with d-i for sarge with 2.6.15 it install on /dev/sda |
| 14:02.31 | Jemt | peacekeeper: Are you new to Linux ? |
| 14:02.32 | Cae2 | the console windows doesnt show errors |
| 14:02.44 | spyroboy | peacekeeper: any linux |
| 14:04.01 | Cae2 | wols, I tried change sata enhanced <-> legacy, with no success |
| 14:04.32 | Cae2 | d-i found the HDD, grub dont |
| 14:04.54 | peacekeeper | nah i'm not new, but after only ever using suse, im confused by all the new distributions that are popping up |
| 14:05.00 | wols | well, grub doesn't care about sata, ide or scsi or turtles. It just expects BIOS to be able to access the drive |
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| 14:05.15 | wols | if that works, grub is happy. so that only leaves misconfig somehow |
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| 14:05.45 | Cae2 | the bios ordered my sata dist as first device to boot |
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| 14:06.00 | abrotman | Netcad: don't message me .. i saw it .. go to www.postfix.org .. read there |
| 14:06.02 | beefcake | <NES> lol |
| 14:06.02 | beefcake | <NES> I download something from Napster |
| 14:06.02 | beefcake | <NES> And the same guy I downloaded it from starts downloading it from me when I'm done |
| 14:06.02 | beefcake | <NES> I message him and say "What are you doing? I just got that from you" |
| 14:06.02 | beefcake | <NES> "getting my song back fucker" |
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| 14:06.08 | peacekeeper | anyone used ubuntu ? |
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| 14:06.14 | abrotman | beefcake: so worth it .. not |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | peacekeeper: #ubuntu please |
| 14:07.02 | peacekeeper | k thx sry bye |
| 14:07.26 | Cae2 | honestly the bios act strange... I disable the network boot, but on each boot it tries to do a network boot |
| 14:08.00 | spyroboy | can I get mplayer using apt-get? |
| 14:08.06 | blondie | !mplayer |
| 14:08.06 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 14:08.33 | undesktop | !marillat |
| 14:08.33 | dpkg | i heard marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 14:09.02 | spyroboy | I see |
| 14:09.04 | spyroboy | thanks |
| 14:09.33 | undesktop | how reputable is that http://debian-multimedia.org/ ? |
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| 14:11.28 | rohan | undesktop: very much |
| 14:11.40 | rohan | seeing that its made by christian marillat |
| 14:11.53 | rohan | who has long been the best source for multimedia packages, in his nerim repo |
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| 14:12.45 | wols | undesktop: the only reason he's not doing it officially for debian is licenses and patens |
| 14:13.10 | rohan | yes, else his packages are top notch includable-in-repo quality |
| 14:13.16 | spyroboy | if I want to add http://debian-multimedia.org to /etc/apt/sources.list.. what is the line I should add? |
| 14:13.22 | undesktop | sounds good |
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| 14:13.50 | rohan | !marillat sarge |
| 14:14.01 | rohan | spyroboy: do /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:14.08 | spyroboy | alright |
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| 14:14.35 | rohan | meh, i shud've used !tell ;) |
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| 14:16.08 | Rebecca | im going to bed now.. thanks for the help trying to fix udev people.. if anyone thinks of anything else feel free to PM me and ill read it later. thanks :) |
| 14:17.24 | spyroboy | apt-get is giving me an error saying that it cannot get a public key from debian-multimedia.org. How do I fix this? |
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| 14:18.29 | undesktop | spyroboy: read the FAQ on that website |
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| 14:18.53 | rohan | nah undesktop, /msg dpkg marillat is easy enough :P |
| 14:18.59 | rohan | and you dont have to press alt-tab :P |
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| 14:25.32 | snd-ca0106 | hi i need help: dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand - opens Run Dialog ---- there's a similar thing to open Create Shortcut dialog ? |
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| 14:29.55 | marz | i guess Debian doesn't agree w\ Virtual PC |
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| 14:31.23 | HelmutG | Is there a good reason for why udev's $PATH does not conatin /sbin? |
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| 14:33.04 | HelmutG | Asking the other way round: Against which package should I report a bug if my network interface ist not upped after suspend because after modprobe b44, /lib/udev/ifplugd.agent is invoked with $PATH=/bin:/usr/bin, so ifplugd has this path and invokes ifplugd.action which invokes ifup eth0, which fails to invoke guessnet-ifupdown which is in /usr/sbin? |
| 14:33.09 | zoulou55 | hello |
| 14:33.51 | HelmutG | udev because it sets $PATH wrong? guessnet because it doesn't advise to use a complete path in interfaces? ifupdown or ifplugd for not setting up a reasonable $PATH? |
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| 14:36.05 | abrotman | HelmutG: depends where it gets that path from |
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| 14:37.02 | HelmutG | abrotman: udev? |
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| 14:37.35 | azertyuuu | hey all, I want to burn an AVI-file on a CD, but how can I do that with K3B ? I tried to burn it as data, but there was no video in Windows only sound. The same for WinAmp. Please help me burning a readable AVI-file |
| 14:37.58 | abrotman | HelmutG: file it .. worst that happens .. Md calls you an idiot and reassigns |
| 14:37.59 | petemc | azertyuuu: its more likely a codec issue |
| 14:38.41 | HelmutG | abrotman: I think the path is set in /etc/init.d/ to /sbin:/bin (which sounds reasonable because /usr might not be mounted yet). |
| 14:39.01 | abrotman | HelmutG: all i can say is to file a bug .. udev is a blackbox |
| 14:39.43 | undesktop | quite black |
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| 14:40.12 | HelmutG | abrotman: I think the correct package is ifplugd, because the path should be reset in /lib/udev/ifplugd.agent, thanks for your advise though. |
| 14:40.28 | abrotman | HelmutG: ok .. so file a bug on that .. but check the BTS first to make sure it's not a dupe |
| 14:40.41 | HelmutG | abrotman: reportbug does that for me. |
| 14:41.13 | abrotman | i find the interface to scannign bugs in reportbug .. lacking |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | that said .. i don't think i've filed a dupe yet |
| 14:41.35 | HelmutG | same for me. |
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| 14:42.09 | HelmutG | Does anybody know about efforts getting ususpend integrated in debian? |
| 14:42.24 | undesktop | I'd rather like to know about suspend2 |
| 14:42.29 | HelmutG | (I know it requires 2.6.17 and suspend.sf.net talks about things like alpha ;-) |
| 14:42.41 | HelmutG | undesktop: forget about suspend2 it's not the way to go. |
| 14:42.48 | undesktop | HelmutG: not? |
| 14:42.53 | HelmutG | undesktop: definitely not! |
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| 14:42.58 | undesktop | HelmutG: AFAIK it's mroe reliable than suspend |
| 14:43.29 | HelmutG | undesktop: on my machines it is not more nor less reliable. |
| 14:43.50 | undesktop | so, what about this "way to go" thing? |
| 14:44.01 | undesktop | suspend2 is quite stable and mature |
| 14:44.13 | HelmutG | suspend2 is not part of the kernel., |
| 14:44.30 | HelmutG | suspend2 will not be part of the kernel because it will be obsoleted by ususpend. |
| 14:44.30 | undesktop | no, it's a patch that tries to make it into the kernel |
| 14:44.53 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 14:44.53 | dpkg | somebody said wnpp was Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 14:44.55 | undesktop | haha, obsoleted? don't talk thrash... ususpend is "alpha" while suspend2 is... oh well |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | alpha-ish? :) |
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| 14:45.20 | HelmutG | ususpend already reassembles the functionality of suspend2 and is much more powerfull (as udev obsoleted devfs). |
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| 14:45.35 | blondie | wrong |
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| 14:45.55 | undesktop | worse is better |
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| 14:46.01 | incorrect | what is the best imap server to use when auth'ing from ldap? id like it to auto create accounts etc on first sign on |
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| 14:46.05 | undesktop | resistance is futile |
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| 14:47.15 | undesktop | HelmutG: so, why did they start to develop that ususpend thing, allthough there are allready 2 suspend implementations, from which suspend2 would be ready-to-use? |
| 14:47.48 | esben | As I understand it, a desire to move suspend code out of the kernel. |
| 14:47.56 | undesktop | why? |
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| 14:48.16 | esben | Moving stuff out of the kernel=>simpler kernel=>more stable kernel |
| 14:48.26 | HelmutG | undesktop: see esben. :-) |
| 14:48.36 | undesktop | esben: hahaha! |
| 14:48.46 | undesktop | esben: you're talking about Linux? nice joke |
| 14:49.02 | undesktop | Linux is a _monolithic_ kernel |
| 14:49.06 | undesktop | it's supposed to be really big |
| 14:49.12 | undesktop | and to crash if there are buggy drivers |
| 14:49.13 | HelmutG | they (the kernel developers) are trying to get linux more stable. |
| 14:49.26 | esben | undesktop: Monolithic/microkernel is another discussion. |
| 14:49.34 | HelmutG | and one way to do so is migrating stuff from the kernel to the userspace. |
| 14:49.40 | wdamn | where is aterm and xterm configuration file? |
| 14:49.49 | esben | It is not a matter of doing message passing... just a matter of doing as much as possible in userspace |
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| 14:50.06 | undesktop | and beside this... suspend2 is stable and mature, goddamn |
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| 14:50.23 | undesktop | esben: so why don't they remove all USB device drivers? there's libusb |
| 14:50.31 | valdyn | undesktop: linux is a hybrid, its not a monolithic kernel |
| 14:50.40 | undesktop | valdyn: it's not a hybrid |
| 14:50.50 | valdyn | undesktop: yes it is |
| 14:51.10 | undesktop | oh dear |
| 14:51.26 | undesktop | because of dynamic loadable modules? |
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| 14:51.41 | valdyn | undesktop: for instance |
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| 14:52.24 | wilotas | Hi all |
| 14:52.27 | wilotas | Someone knows why in the KDE menu i cant see the Debian Menu? |
| 14:52.28 | junix|work | what's going on with firefox, i can no longer open it |
| 14:52.28 | undesktop | it's still a monolithic architecture; all drivers etc. run in a single addressspace without protection between the subsystems |
| 14:52.36 | abarbu | valdyn: It's monolithic; it's all in kernelspace |
| 14:54.16 | undesktop | anyway, as logn as they're trying to develop ususpend (how many years will it take to get it stable), they could accept suspend2 |
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| 14:55.44 | stew | undesktop: do you also think that for instance they should have never started writing alsa? |
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| 14:56.21 | undesktop | stew: alsa is a bad example for you, since OSS did suck |
| 14:56.38 | valdyn | what's so bad about oss? |
| 14:56.47 | undesktop | additionally, there was a time where both OSS and ALSA were in the kernel (or is OSS still) |
| 14:58.32 | HelmutG | undesktop: oss is still |
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| 14:59.06 | HelmutG | undesktop: anyway suspend2 sucks, because you can only suspend to files (block devices are files, too). |
| 14:59.16 | undesktop | btw, funny thing: I have to use XMMS with OSS (emulated by ALSA), else I hear drop-outs when I play something in XMMS |
| 14:59.26 | valdyn | HelmutG: eh? to what else would i want to suspend? |
| 14:59.32 | valdyn | HelmutG: network? |
| 14:59.41 | HelmutG | valdyn: pipes, sockets, etc. |
| 14:59.58 | HelmutG | valdyn: you could for instance lzop the image and put it through gpg before saving. |
| 15:00.00 | valdyn | HelmutG: 99.9999% of all laptop users are probably fine with files |
| 15:00.04 | undesktop | HelmutG: sounds like a quite special feature request... |
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| 15:00.25 | valdyn | HelmutG: encryption is supported too |
| 15:00.35 | HelmutG | valdyn: kernel level encryption. ;-) |
| 15:00.49 | valdyn | HelmutG: i dont see the problem with that |
| 15:00.50 | undesktop | HelmutG: what's wrong with it |
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| 15:01.20 | HelmutG | undesktop: you could have asked "what's wrong with devfs?" and the answer would be the same. |
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| 15:01.42 | stew | what was wrong with devfs was that it wasn't being maintained |
| 15:01.46 | undesktop | I just wonder why the heck they can't put suspend2 into the kernel |
| 15:01.55 | undesktop | they still can develop their ususpend spit |
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| 15:02.09 | HelmutG | http://kerneltrap.org/node/6766 |
| 15:02.15 | wols | stew: what was wrong with /dev in the first place? |
| 15:02.17 | valdyn | undesktop: have you looked at how invasive that suspend2 patch is? |
| 15:02.35 | stew | wols: nothing |
| 15:02.37 | undesktop | valdyn: no |
| 15:03.06 | stew | wols: though some would prever to have /dev reflect the hardware that is actually available |
| 15:03.12 | valdyn | undesktop: i havent either, i just guess that is a reason. Common hardware drivers just dont change core files, so they're quite easy to integrate |
| 15:03.13 | HelmutG | oh that's easy (aptitude install patchutils ;) |
| 15:03.29 | zebalin4 | Maybe somoene can help. Using kmail, I set up POP to "save on server 10 days" I'm testing this. I sent mail and got it. How do I get saved copy? |
| 15:03.38 | wols | stew: maybe. but whoever wanted changes. they all made a mess out of it, it reeks to high heaven |
| 15:03.40 | undesktop | valdyn: I think that patch isn't _that_ invasive |
| 15:03.41 | wols | it's awful now |
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| 15:03.56 | undesktop | valdyn: since it's not so much |
| 15:04.06 | stew | wols: if you don't want changes, you are free to run an old 2.0 kernel on slink |
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| 15:04.33 | pamila | ok, i just ran dist-upgrade and it messed up some things. it upgraded my xorg packages and now i can't switch my virtual resolution with ctrl+alt +/- nor jump to console using ctrl+alt+fkey. any solutions? |
| 15:04.51 | wilotas | Someone knows why in the KDE menu i cant see the Debian Menu? |
| 15:05.01 | valdyn | wilotas: there's a menu package |
| 15:05.08 | wols | stew: I like changes. but they better be well implemented and done. the whole change of /dev is neither |
| 15:05.26 | stew | wols: if you want help removing udev from your system, i can help you with that |
| 15:05.50 | wols | no need. just a little rant :) |
| 15:05.51 | valdyn | wilotas: apt-cache show menu, im not sure if that is really the culprit for kde |
| 15:06.19 | wilotas | let me check it.. |
| 15:06.21 | undesktop | btw. can you abort a suspend cycle with swsusp now? |
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| 15:06.53 | HelmutG | undesktop: ususpend, yes |
| 15:07.05 | undesktop | HelmutG: in the Debian stable kernel |
| 15:07.18 | undesktop | HelmutG: not this ususpend alpha waste whatsoever, which no user wants to use |
| 15:07.19 | HelmutG | undesktop: suspend2 isn't in stable |
| 15:07.39 | undesktop | HelmutG: that's why I used to patch a vanilla kernel with suspend2 and use this |
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| 15:08.05 | HelmutG | undesktop: you don't need to use alpha patches to use ususpend. *scnr* |
| 15:08.13 | HelmutG | undesktop: it's in the vanilla kernel. |
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| 15:08.34 | undesktop | HelmutG: ususpend is still alpha, isn't it |
| 15:08.46 | HelmutG | undesktop: the userland code maybe, ... |
| 15:09.02 | valdyn | undesktop: ususpend is just userland programs |
| 15:09.03 | rhalff_ | is there a way to continue where debuild -us -uc left off ? I had a configure error, and want to continue from that point |
| 15:09.03 | undesktop | "maybe"? |
| 15:09.26 | HelmutG | undesktop: maybe == it's not like many people use it, yet. |
| 15:09.36 | wilotas | valdyn, installing the menu packet its sufficient? |
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| 15:10.00 | stew | rhalff_: add a -nc to the dpkg-buildpackage options |
| 15:10.01 | valdyn | wilotas: yea, except for what i said above |
| 15:10.22 | undesktop | HelmutG: anyway, apart from these discussions, is the current suspend facility in the Debian sid kernel useable? is it stable? can I abort suspends with escape? |
| 15:10.29 | rhalff_ | stew, ok so just debuild -us -uc -nc then right ? |
| 15:10.33 | wilotas | ok ok |
| 15:10.38 | valdyn | undesktop: rtfm? |
| 15:10.46 | wilotas | Thx valdyn |
| 15:10.48 | undesktop | valdyn: witfm? |
| 15:11.15 | valdyn | undesktop: /usr/share/doc/kernel-image* |
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| 15:12.03 | HelmutG | undesktop: yes, as 2.6.17 contains it. |
| 15:12.21 | stew | rhalff_: that looks right, there is also an ENV variable you can use |
| 15:12.36 | undesktop | "ls /usr/share/doc/kernel-image*" yields to "LiloDefault", no other files |
| 15:12.56 | rhalff_ | stew, ok I'm rebuilding it now anyway, but am expected a lot more errors :) |
| 15:13.25 | valdyn | undesktop: yea, sorry, i was wrong, its in the linux-doc-2.6.x package |
| 15:13.51 | rhalff_ | any clue, why php debian packages aren't build with --enable-memory-limit in the first place btw ? |
| 15:14.05 | valdyn | undesktop: for sid that is |
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| 15:14.14 | bartden | hi, is there a program under gnome that runs a taskbar like mac os X bar , in kde its kxdocker , but has gnome have one ? |
| 15:14.24 | valdyn | rhalff_: what does that switch do? |
| 15:14.54 | rhalff_ | valdyn, enable the memory limit in php, right now I have a bug in a php script that takes the entire system down. |
| 15:15.27 | rhalff_ | valdyn, like memory_limit=8M and the script will just fail when it goes beyond that. |
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| 15:15.39 | valdyn | rhalff_: i see |
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| 15:16.05 | stew | rhalff_: do you have to set the actual limit at compile time? |
| 15:16.14 | Administrator | hello looking for good apache pciture gallery software |
| 15:16.28 | Administrator | any recoomondations |
| 15:16.33 | blondie | Administrator: please note the name of this channel |
| 15:16.49 | rhalff_ | stew, no in the php.ini or even from a script itself, but the value is ignored if php wasn't compiled with --enable-memory-limit |
| 15:17.03 | valdyn | Administrator: apt-cache search picture gallery html |
| 15:17.04 | Administrator | yes I know blondie |
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| 15:17.13 | blondie | well, that's not a debian question is it |
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| 15:17.19 | stew | rhalff_: dunno then, file a wishlist bug (if none already exists) and see what the maintainer has to say about it |
| 15:17.22 | Administrator | _I asked for recommondations_ I can apt-cache search my self |
| 15:17.30 | Administrator | jeejz people can't read nonwadays |
| 15:17.43 | blondie | yeah, they can't read channel names |
| 15:17.48 | rhalff_ | stew, ok will do that |
| 15:17.54 | Administrator | so what you talk about is debian base ? |
| 15:17.56 | Administrator | hahaha! |
| 15:18.06 | blondie | things specific to debian |
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| 15:18.15 | blondie | that isnt even specific to linux |
| 15:18.15 | Administrator | all software is debianized dude. |
| 15:18.22 | Administrator | (that is in repository) |
| 15:18.25 | Administrator | doh |
| 15:18.37 | Fox | then apt-cache search yourself, if it's in the repository |
| 15:18.45 | stew | Administrator: gallery2 is probably the most popular |
| 15:18.47 | Fox | why don't you ask #apache ? |
| 15:18.54 | Administrator | thanks stew |
| 15:19.14 | Administrator | fox no, why would I? I only use software from (valid) debian repository. |
| 15:19.21 | undesktop | valdyn: in which debian package are these suspend tools included? |
| 15:19.25 | valdyn | i do wonder why this software should have a thing to do with apache |
| 15:19.37 | valdyn | undesktop: no idea |
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| 15:20.10 | blondie | Administrator: what's wrong with other software? |
| 15:20.14 | undesktop | valdyn: oh |
| 15:20.28 | Administrator | blondie, it's not in debian |
| 15:20.36 | Administrator | blondie, that's what's wrong. |
| 15:20.39 | blondie | Administrator: so? |
| 15:20.43 | valdyn | undesktop: dont think it is in debian |
| 15:20.49 | Administrator | blondie, so I don't use. |
| 15:20.51 | stew | blondie: please drop it |
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| 15:21.00 | Administrator | blondie, this is #debian remember.. |
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| 15:23.33 | phaedrus44 | bah....any one tell my about deleting partitions? I am trying to format a partition on my usb flash drive and i get error that it is read only...i have donw chmod -R 777 /dev/sda1 hhmm? |
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| 15:24.15 | stew | phaedrus44: what command are you using to try to format it? |
| 15:24.15 | abrotman | !info igal |
| 15:24.24 | dpkg | igal: (online image gallery generator), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4-15 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 15:24.42 | abrotman | and gallery1 is in sarge |
| 15:25.33 | valdyn | phaedrus44: why the hell would you change permissions on a device node to format a partition? |
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| 15:26.19 | abrotman | fun and profit? |
| 15:26.37 | undesktop | for more data loss |
| 15:27.41 | cahoot | Administrator: might look at 'album' for a less complex app |
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| 15:31.07 | astronaute | hi |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | how many astro* do we need! |
| 15:31.48 | astronaute | i cant boot my windows from grub, my debian is on hda and my windows is on RAID 0 sda, can someone help me please ? |
| 15:32.11 | astronaute | maybe i have to put lilo instead ? |
| 15:32.17 | abrotman | is it real raid? |
| 15:32.31 | Heiko_x92 | hi! i am trying to login with root user in gnome login panel, it says: The system administrator is not allowed to login from this screen. |
| 15:32.32 | astronaute | abrotman: it was me, my kvirc open 2 server windows at startup, dunno why =) |
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| 15:32.40 | astronaute | abrotman: yes real |
| 15:32.50 | astronaute | there is false raid too ? |
| 15:32.51 | astronaute | =) |
| 15:32.57 | abrotman | Heiko_x92: so don't do that! |
| 15:32.58 | astronaute | im learning every day |
| 15:33.03 | abrotman | astronaute: yes .. very fake raid |
| 15:33.15 | Heiko_x92 | so i cant login with root to graphical mode? |
| 15:33.18 | abrotman | astronaute: i'm not sure if grub cares if it is fakeraid or not .. what's the error |
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| 15:33.33 | abrotman | Heiko_x92: the gdm.conf tells the system not to allow it .. and oyu shouldn't be doing it anyways |
| 15:33.38 | astronaute | if i remember well 42 i think |
| 15:33.44 | abrotman | !42 |
| 15:33.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 15:33.49 | astronaute | do i have to reboot or can i check now ? |
| 15:33.53 | undesktop | abrotman: why shouldn't he? |
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| 15:34.02 | abrotman | !run stuff as root |
| 15:34.03 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
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| 15:34.12 | riddlebox | hello, can I tell apt-get not to upgrade a certain package? |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | undesktop: absolutely no need .. and just simply stupid |
| 15:34.22 | abrotman | !tell riddlebox about hold |
| 15:34.22 | stew | riddlebox: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:34.41 | undesktop | that reminds me of another problem |
| 15:34.57 | undesktop | how do I allow an arbitrary user on my system to use another user's X display? |
| 15:35.02 | astronaute | can i check grub errors without rebooting maybe ? |
| 15:35.22 | riddlebox | thanks |
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| 15:35.28 | stew | undesktop: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 15:35.42 | phaedrus44 | stew: sorry my network connection died |
| 15:36.05 | stew | you certainly don't need to apologize to me for tht |
| 15:36.13 | stew | :) |
| 15:36.14 | phaedrus44 | hehe |
| 15:36.22 | astronaute | is there some kind of grub log please ? |
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| 15:36.37 | phaedrus44 | with my flash format problem? |
| 15:36.39 | astronaute | noone uses raid here for windows ? |
| 15:36.40 | abrotman | astronaute: doubtful .. where would it write it? the unmounted filesystems ? |
| 15:36.50 | stew | phaedrus44: what command are you using to try to format? |
| 15:37.02 | astronaute | ok so i reboot then to tell you error =) |
| 15:37.06 | astronaute | brb |
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| 15:37.23 | leku | hey |
| 15:37.26 | leku | any reiserfs experts? |
| 15:37.51 | phaedrus44 | stew: i am doinf fdisk /dev/sda1 |
| 15:37.55 | phaedrus44 | m opiton |
| 15:38.04 | phaedrus44 | than then d for delete partition |
| 15:38.12 | stew | phaedrus44: you want "fdisk /dev/sda" not "fdisk /dev/sda1" |
| 15:38.26 | phaedrus44 | oh yeah i think thats what i did... |
| 15:38.29 | phaedrus44 | but ill try again |
| 15:38.43 | Fox | or mkfs /dev/sda1 just to format without removing the partition ? |
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| 15:39.17 | kuffs | who do I need to speak with about someone ripping off Debian's logo? The KSU Foundation (http://www.found.ksu.edu) is using it in their logo, and won't respond to me when I inform them. |
| 15:39.21 | phaedrus44 | Fox: mkfs vfat /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 15:40.12 | Dr-Linux | anyone can help me to extract this file? chan_sccp-20060408.tar.bz2 |
| 15:40.24 | abrotman | tar -jxf |
| 15:40.52 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:40.58 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: next time .. man tar |
| 15:41.12 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: thsnks friend i know tar stuff |
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| 15:41.33 | abrotman | but you missed -j ? |
| 15:42.08 | Fox | phaedrus44: mkfs -t vfat /dev/sda1 probably |
| 15:42.12 | Fox | man mkfs |
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| 15:43.01 | astronaute | re |
| 15:43.05 | astronaute | so for my grub : |
| 15:43.10 | jerware | what does it mean when some of these PC games say "your ping is too high " ? is it refering to the RTT ? |
| 15:43.15 | astronaute | root (hd2,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x42 |
| 15:43.20 | jerware | to me, your "ping" is too high, does not make sence. it's an application. |
| 15:43.26 | Fox | phaedrus44: if you have dosfstools you can user mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 15:43.30 | Fox | s/user/use/ |
| 15:43.34 | wols | it means your network latency to their server, yes |
| 15:43.46 | abrotman | astronaute: eh ... it means grub doesn't have support for whatever filesystem that is |
| 15:43.54 | astronaute | NTFS ? |
| 15:44.02 | wols | heh |
| 15:44.16 | astronaute | so grub doesnt support ntfs |
| 15:44.25 | astronaute | i have to switch to lili then |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 15:44.28 | astronaute | lilo |
| 15:44.31 | Fox | sure it does |
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| 15:44.39 | wols | lilo doesn't support ntfs either |
| 15:44.43 | abrotman | you'll have to find out what filesystem type 42 is |
| 15:44.54 | abrotman | wols: grub does support ntfs .. lilo uses exact positions |
| 15:44.56 | jldWork | 0x42 |
| 15:45.10 | wols | abrotman: support ntfs for what? loading the kernel? |
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| 15:45.27 | abrotman | 42 Windows 2000 dynamic extended partition marker |
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| 15:45.32 | nullcode | hi |
| 15:45.34 | nullcode | how to use scp ? |
| 15:45.36 | astronaute | no i just want to boot my windows without going to bios and changing harddrives list in bios |
| 15:45.37 | abrotman | wols: grub has to understand the filesystem in order to find the kernel |
| 15:45.38 | abrotman | man scp |
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| 15:45.55 | jldWork | you installed linux on ntfs? interesting... |
| 15:45.55 | wols | astronaute: chainloader is the command you need |
| 15:45.55 | nullcode | bah ! |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | wols: lilo "knows" where the kernel is and goes there .. grub has to understand the filesystem |
| 15:46.10 | phaedrus44 | thansk for your help stew and Fox |
| 15:46.12 | phaedrus44 | working now |
| 15:46.14 | abrotman | astronaute: can we see your /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 15:46.22 | abrotman | or at least the windows part of it |
| 15:46.22 | wols | abrotman: but who would put his kernel on a ntfs partition? |
| 15:46.27 | Fox | you're welcome phaedrus44 |
| 15:46.28 | abrotman | wols: microsoft? |
| 15:46.30 | astronaute | sure i pastebin it |
| 15:46.41 | abrotman | wols: if it can't find something to boot from .. it won't work |
| 15:46.50 | abrotman | (in this case .. it uses ntldr) |
| 15:46.51 | wols | abrotman: that's great. you just can't directly boot windows with grub. you must use chainloading |
| 15:46.53 | Fox | 0x42 is Microsoft Dynamic Disc partitioning scheme |
| 15:46.54 | stew | phaedrus44: you should revert the permissions changes you made to /dev/sda1 for security's sake |
| 15:46.59 | abrotman | wols: i'm aware of that |
| 15:47.07 | phaedrus44 | ok cool |
| 15:47.15 | abrotman | wols: that's why i asked for his menu.lst |
| 15:47.23 | phaedrus44 | bah!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:47.37 | phaedrus44 | its a read-only file system now when i try to use GTKPOD |
| 15:47.53 | stew | phaedrus44: what filesystm? |
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| 15:47.57 | astronaute | http://pastebin.ca/74863 << grub menu.lst |
| 15:48.03 | phaedrus44 | fat 16 |
| 15:48.16 | stew | phaedrus44: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:48.27 | stew | phaedrus44: you need a umask mount option |
| 15:48.27 | astronaute | wols: i know that, but first need tio use boot (hdx,y) no ? |
| 15:48.39 | phaedrus44 | oh cool |
| 15:48.40 | stew | phaedrus44: err umask and maybe uid/gid |
| 15:48.42 | nullcode | i have no time to read the manual |
| 15:48.47 | nullcode | i used scp user@host:file |
| 15:48.49 | phaedrus44 | i did /msg dpkg vfatrw but says /msg not found |
| 15:48.51 | nullcode | but it didn't work .. |
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| 15:48.56 | abrotman | astronaute: this is hdc ? |
| 15:48.56 | nullcode | some advice ? |
| 15:48.57 | stew | phaedrus44: fat doesn't have the concept of permission so by default it is mounted with strict permissions |
| 15:49.02 | abrotman | nullcode: man scp |
| 15:49.07 | Fox | nullcode: scp file user@host: |
| 15:49.12 | astronaute | hd2 is sda |
| 15:49.34 | astronaute | in device.map |
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| 15:49.45 | abrotman | what is hd0 ? |
| 15:49.53 | ToeBee | nullcode, if you have time to be on IRC then you have time to read a man page |
| 15:50.00 | astronaute | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 15:50.00 | astronaute | (hd1) /dev/hdc |
| 15:50.00 | astronaute | (hd2) /dev/sda |
| 15:50.00 | astronaute | (hd3) /dev/sdb |
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| 15:50.06 | astronaute | oops |
| 15:50.09 | abrotman | astronaute: you should know better :) |
| 15:50.19 | astronaute | hd0 is my linux |
| 15:50.22 | Fox | astronaute: try adding 'map (hd0) (hd2)' and 'map (hd2) (hd0)' after root (hd2,0), it worked for me with my home desktop |
| 15:50.25 | abrotman | astronaute: i think that lowers your status in the NM queue |
| 15:51.44 | astronaute | yes but i tried to enter grub console and i typed : boot (hd2,0) and immediately there is error 42 |
| 15:51.52 | astronaute | abrotman: what is NM ? |
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| 15:51.58 | phaedrus44 | stew: how can i make my ipod use a /dev/ipod in fstab instead of /dev/sda1 ? |
| 15:52.02 | abrotman | astronaute: NM new maintainer? |
| 15:52.12 | stew | phaedrus44: do you have udev installed? |
| 15:52.19 | phaedrus44 | hhmmm. |
| 15:52.22 | astronaute | my english is bad so i have no clue whats that |
| 15:52.23 | astronaute | =) |
| 15:52.29 | stew | !nm |
| 15:52.29 | dpkg | somebody said nm was New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 15:52.40 | ram_einstein | I can't seem to be able to get VNC working. $ vncserver; ps auxww | grep vnc is what I ran. The ps output did not contain a single vnc process. How come? |
| 15:53.11 | astronaute | no =) |
| 15:53.14 | madclicker | Sarge, I have dmesg filled with "icmpv6_send: addr_any/mcast source" |
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| 15:53.27 | phaedrus44 | stew: i have udev installed now |
| 15:53.47 | Fox | astronaute: can you add 'map (hd0) (hd2)' and 'map (hd2) (hd0)' in your menu.lst and reboot ? |
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| 15:54.08 | astronaute | where to add this, after boot ? |
| 15:54.13 | ram_einstein | astronaute: ^^ that's needed whne booting a lame system |
| 15:54.29 | ram_einstein | astronaute: in your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:54.37 | ram_einstein | before the kernel line |
| 15:54.39 | astronaute | yes but lame system supports my games and photoshop and flash 8 and lot of other things =) |
| 15:54.58 | phaedrus44 | i have to reboot to the 2.6 kernel to use udev brb |
| 15:54.59 | ram_einstein | who cares about lame stuff like that anyway? |
| 15:55.17 | Fox | astronaute: boot your linux and add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst as ram_einstein said |
| 15:55.21 | ram_einstein | $ vncserver; ps auxww | grep vnc. The ps output did not contain a single vnc process. How come? |
| 15:55.22 | Fox | tyen reboot |
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| 15:55.45 | stew | phaedrus44: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:55.52 | stew | phaedrus44: and what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:55.55 | ram_einstein | astronaute: it's to fool windoze to think it's on the first disk on the first partition. Otherwise, it won't boot |
| 15:56.00 | YogSothoth | Hello :-) |
| 15:56.12 | snd-ca0106 | hi why all app related to wifi on my sys displays 11mb/sx asmaxmimux speed ? |
| 15:56.19 | astronaute | before which kernel line, debian one ? |
| 15:56.25 | astronaute | sry im bit confused |
| 15:56.26 | ram_einstein | astronaute: no! |
| 15:56.30 | ram_einstein | after the title windoze |
| 15:56.36 | ram_einstein | immediately after title windoze |
| 15:56.38 | astronaute | before boot ? |
| 15:56.42 | ram_einstein | yes |
| 15:56.45 | ram_einstein | before boot |
| 15:56.52 | astronaute | after root ? |
| 15:56.58 | ram_einstein | you mean rootnoverify |
| 15:57.00 | ram_einstein | yes |
| 15:57.08 | astronaute | ok brb |
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| 15:57.21 | stew | snd-ca0106: on kanotix? |
| 15:57.27 | snd-ca0106 | no debian sarge |
| 15:57.33 | snd-ca0106 | kanoix display 54mb/s |
| 15:57.34 | snd-ca0106 | as max |
| 15:57.39 | ram_einstein | astronaute: if you have a problem, paste to pastebin, I'll edit it for you appropriately |
| 15:57.57 | phaedrus44 | stew: brb |
| 15:57.58 | stew | snd-ca0106: using which driver? |
| 15:58.15 | astronaute | http://pastebin.ca/74869 |
| 15:58.19 | astronaute | like this ? |
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| 15:58.28 | astronaute | thank you ram_einstein |
| 15:58.53 | snd-ca0106 | currently ndiswrapper and linuxant driverloader to set up the windows driver for the card but kcenter panel showed this speed 11/mbs asmax since the very beginning mean before i'd installed anything |
| 15:59.06 | YogSothoth | I've just pluged and formated a new USB2 external hard drive (WD My Book 250GB). I formated/mounted and now I'm transfering large quantities of files with rsync. But I downloaded only 280MB in 8 minutes which means ~600KB/s ... very slow! Is there something to activate to speed this up? |
| 15:59.10 | ram_einstein | astronaute: put it before the root please |
| 15:59.17 | ram_einstein | I'll edit it for you, wait |
| 15:59.35 | astronaute | you just tell after root =) |
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| 15:59.55 | astronaute | thx ^^ |
| 16:00.12 | wols | YogSothoth: looka like it's not recognized as USB2 for some reason |
| 16:00.23 | snd-ca0106 | may be something wrong in the ekrnel ? |
| 16:01.00 | ram_einstein | astronaute: http://pastebin.ca/74870 |
| 16:01.06 | ram_einstein | astronaute: did I? sorry |
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| 16:01.35 | ram_einstein | what was that jazz about makeactive and boot? I'm a little old-skool |
| 16:01.43 | ram_einstein | and I just use rootnoverify() |
| 16:01.46 | phaedrus44 | stew: i am using deb 3.1 and kernel 2.6.8 |
| 16:01.53 | Fox | I don't have those as well in my menu.lst |
| 16:02.13 | ram_einstein | Fox: maybe newer commands as I stated |
| 16:02.23 | ram_einstein | I'm an old grub student :) |
| 16:02.38 | YogSothoth | wols: is there something to do? |
| 16:02.39 | Fox | hehe |
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| 16:02.44 | ram_einstein | astronaute: no wait |
| 16:02.53 | Fox | but my roonoverify is BEFORE the map lines :) |
| 16:02.59 | snd-ca0106 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.09 | stew | !udev ipod is create a file named /etc/udev/rules.d/99-ipod.rules and add to it the following line: BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="iPod ", KERNEL="sd?2", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ipod" |
| 16:03.09 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:03.12 | stew | phaedrus44: ^^ |
| 16:03.13 | ram_einstein | astronaute: http://pastebin.ca/74872 |
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| 16:03.21 | ram_einstein | Fox: I dunno |
| 16:03.38 | ram_einstein | root or rootnoverify? |
| 16:03.52 | phaedrus44 | thanks stew ill screw around with it |
| 16:03.53 | ram_einstein | I like to think in logical order actually. The order might not actually matter |
| 16:04.15 | stew | phaedrus44: after you add that rule, /etc/init.d/udev restart ; and see if /dev/ipod is created |
| 16:04.17 | astronaute | yes ? |
| 16:04.22 | stew | snd-ca0106: sorry, i won't be able to help |
| 16:04.25 | ram_einstein | astronaute: there's no need to include a root statement at all. The latest paste (http://pastebin.ca/74872) is nice and simple. It'll work nicely |
| 16:04.38 | astronaute | oh ok |
| 16:04.42 | astronaute | then i replace it =) |
| 16:05.01 | phaedrus44 | cd /etc/udev/ |
| 16:05.29 | phaedrus44 | hehe wrong place |
| 16:05.43 | astronaute | ok brb i reboot |
| 16:06.17 | snd-ca0106 | currently ndiswrapper and linuxant driverloader to set up the windows driver for the card but kcenter panel showed this speed 11/mbs asmax since the very beginning mean before i'd installed anything |
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| 16:08.24 | snd-ca0106 | hi why all app related to wifi on my sys displays 11mb/sx asmaxmimux speed ? |
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| 16:09.13 | Daedalus_ | snd-ca0106: Most wifi cards have a max speed of 11mbps. 802.11b has that max. 802.11g can go up to 54mbps |
| 16:09.27 | snd-ca0106 | THE CARD HASN'T THAT LIMIT |
| 16:09.28 | oliva | hi there ... how do I check that a given disk is attached on a scsi controller |
| 16:09.29 | oliva | ? |
| 16:09.36 | Jemt | snd-ca0106: Don't shout! |
| 16:09.41 | snd-ca0106 | SORRY |
| 16:09.44 | Jemt | .. |
| 16:09.47 | snd-ca0106 | caps was hold on |
| 16:09.49 | Jemt | snd-ca0106: Could it be the access point ? |
| 16:10.02 | snd-ca0106 | no kde showed that a max limit |
| 16:10.07 | Jemt | snd-ca0106: If the AP is 11 Mbit, your network adapter will run at 11 Mbit too |
| 16:10.09 | Daedalus_ | snd-ca0106: Calme. You have a 802.11g card then? |
| 16:10.10 | petemc | oliva: dmesg |
| 16:10.11 | snd-ca0106 | BEFORE any card wi-fi was present |
| 16:10.18 | snd-ca0106 | btw yes the card |
| 16:10.21 | Fox | oliva: look in /proc/scsi/ ? |
| 16:10.32 | snd-ca0106 | has speed of 54mb/s |
| 16:10.34 | Daedalus_ | snd-ca0106: it's natural for a wireless app to assume 11mbps |
| 16:10.44 | sandman | WHen I browse localhost/mediawiki/, it asks me to download a PHTML file instead of displaying anything. |
| 16:10.53 | snd-ca0106 | yes but in kanotix i see 54mb/s |
| 16:10.57 | snd-ca0106 | as limit in the same panel |
| 16:11.08 | stew | snd-ca0106: using the same driver? |
| 16:11.09 | snd-ca0106 | so i wonder speed will be affected |
| 16:11.20 | snd-ca0106 | or it's just displayed incrrectly |
| 16:11.21 | snd-ca0106 | ? |
| 16:11.27 | oliva | ok so if neither /proc and dmesg see it ... It hasn't been detected ... but what can prevent the kernel of detecting it? |
| 16:11.42 | Jemt | Hm, weird. My internal Cisco (Aironet) WiFi (54 Mbit) is also marked as '11 MB/s' in 'iwconfig' |
| 16:11.49 | snd-ca0106 | stew> yes in some way mean yes: even without any driver |
| 16:11.51 | stew | oliva: do you have the sd_mod kernel module loaded? |
| 16:11.53 | Daedalus_ | snd-ca0106: You can check the speed using ifconfig on the command line. If some apps are mis-reporting it, it won't affect things |
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| 16:12.07 | oliva | stew lemme check |
| 16:12.12 | stew | snd-ca0106: you would not be able to find the speed of the card without a driver |
| 16:12.44 | Daedalus_ | Jemt: could your AP be 11mb? |
| 16:12.52 | snd-ca0106 | stew guessing through ndiswrapper or other tols says 54mb/s |
| 16:13.00 | snd-ca0106 | kde and kwifimanager says max is 11 |
| 16:13.05 | Jemt | Daedalus_: Nope. It's 54 Mbit. But the card is not connected at the moment :) |
| 16:13.08 | phaedrus44 | stew: where would i look for /dev/ipod ? |
| 16:13.10 | Daedalus_ | Heh |
| 16:13.12 | snd-ca0106 | i just need to know if i'll be limited by these |
| 16:13.39 | Daedalus_ | snd-ca0106: shouldn't be. |
| 16:13.49 | Jemt | snd-ca0106: Do a test. Transfer a file and calculate the speed. |
| 16:13.50 | stew | phaedrus44: ls /dev/ipod |
| 16:13.54 | Daedalus_ | snd-ca0106: when in doubt, test it |
| 16:14.01 | Jemt | Do = Perform |
| 16:14.04 | snd-ca0106 | ;) |
| 16:14.11 | phaedrus44 | ouch...no file or directory.. |
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| 16:14.32 | snd-ca0106 | that's btw a limit cause if i wanna set 22mb as speed for example i just can't ;( |
| 16:14.42 | Fox | so astronaute ? |
| 16:14.50 | ram_einstein | is the issue okay? |
| 16:14.58 | ram_einstein | I had a small glitch at my end |
| 16:14.58 | stew | phaedrus44: unplug the ipod, plug it back in, and run dmesg, then paste the output of "dmesg | tail" into a pastebin |
| 16:15.02 | Fox | ram_einstein: you both came back at the same second ;) |
| 16:15.08 | astronaute | Error 13 |
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| 16:15.12 | astronaute | Invalid or unsupported executable format |
| 16:15.13 | Fox | :/ |
| 16:15.16 | ram_einstein | Fox: really? :) |
| 16:15.21 | oliva | stew: no sd_mod available |
| 16:15.21 | ram_einstein | astronaute: :( that's bad |
| 16:15.26 | Fox | yep ram_einstein :) |
| 16:15.26 | astronaute | yes it is =) |
| 16:15.30 | stew | oliva: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:15.37 | sandman | dpkg thinks a particular package of mine isn't installed (libapache-mod-php5), but all its files are there. I can also dpkg -L the file. |
| 16:15.37 | dpkg | sandman: what are you talking about? |
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| 16:15.49 | oliva | 2.6.something ... is it enough? |
| 16:15.50 | ram_einstein | astronaute: can you paste us the output of fdisk -l? |
| 16:15.53 | astronaute | i dont understand , why grub just dont let other hd boot without any checks |
| 16:16.00 | ram_einstein | maybe you got the disks wrong? |
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| 16:16.07 | astronaute | when i change hd order in bios it boots witjhout problems |
| 16:16.09 | oliva | stew: I need to change room to see it that's why I was askingf |
| 16:16.19 | astronaute | ok |
| 16:16.32 | ram_einstein | astronaute: grub has to transfer control to ntloader. That's the problem now |
| 16:16.38 | polishkoop | I'm running debian sarge kernel 2.4, and I can't figure out how to set up alsa. I've downloaded the packages necessary, but when I do hotplug, discover nothing happens. When I do alsaconf, it ends up not doing anything. |
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| 16:16.49 | qorvx | hi, does linux need defragmentation?and if not why? |
| 16:16.49 | ram_einstein | astronaute: it needs to make ntloader think that it's called from bios as the first disk |
| 16:16.53 | stew | oliva: it sounds like possibly scsi support wan't compiled into your kenrel. if you dont' have sd_mod you aren't running a debian kernel, so someone else must have compiled it |
| 16:17.00 | ram_einstein | qorvx: no, it has a superior fs |
| 16:17.11 | oliva | stew: it's a knoppix kernel |
| 16:17.20 | stew | oliva: is the machine running knoppix? |
| 16:17.24 | oliva | yep |
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| 16:17.28 | qorvx | ram_einstein: is this because of the journalled fs like ext3? |
| 16:17.30 | stew | oliva: please go to #knoppix for help with knoppix |
| 16:17.35 | oliva | oke ... |
| 16:17.37 | oliva | thanks |
| 16:17.42 | ram_einstein | qorvx: not really. Even ext2 is the same |
| 16:17.58 | phaedrus44 | stew: how do i copy all of dmesg | tail ? i am using Xtrem |
| 16:18.24 | shogunx | dmesg | tail > filename |
| 16:18.32 | phaedrus44 | ah....thanks |
| 16:18.51 | stew | phaedrus44: drag to select, middle button to paste, or "dmesg | tail > /tmp/somefile" then go to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php and upload the file |
| 16:19.04 | qorvx | ram_einstein: oh. but doesn't the disk get fragmented anyway...just less than fat/ntfs? |
| 16:19.07 | snd-ca0106 | How do i set a picture like the kanotix one in grub ? |
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| 16:20.13 | phaedrus44 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/74886 |
| 16:20.18 | astronaute | sry network problem |
| 16:20.19 | astronaute | http://pastebin.ca/74883 |
| 16:20.32 | ram_einstein | qorvx: exactly, and that the fs grabs files in a different way |
| 16:20.43 | oliva | stew: the scsi module of the controller is loaded |
| 16:20.57 | oliva | stew: are there any command to explore the scsi bus? |
| 16:21.02 | stew | oliva: please go to #knoppix |
| 16:21.11 | oliva | nobody answer there . |
| 16:21.29 | phaedrus44 | if anyone want to look at all my errors check this http://pastebin.ca/74888 |
| 16:21.42 | oliva | ok I will boot the machine with a debian CD :) |
| 16:21.47 | qorvx | ram_einstein:is there a defrag tool in linux? is fsck a defrag tool? |
| 16:21.58 | stew | phaedrus44: oh, shoot "iPod " should probably have been "iPod" in that udev rule |
| 16:22.02 | wols | qorvx: no |
| 16:22.03 | ram_einstein | qorvx: fsck is not |
| 16:22.09 | ram_einstein | qorvx: but there might be one |
| 16:22.11 | wols | some filesystems ahve a defrag tool, like xfs |
| 16:22.12 | ram_einstein | I don't know of any |
| 16:22.22 | wols | but not generally, and it's unecessary normally |
| 16:22.45 | Jemt | ram_einstein: What filesystem are you using ? |
| 16:22.49 | phaedrus44 | ok stew ill change it |
| 16:23.13 | Jemt | ram_einstein: If you are using EXT, you don't need one. |
| 16:23.14 | qorvx | so defragment isn't needed once in a while for a linux system? |
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| 16:23.26 | oliva | stew: it is booting debian now |
| 16:23.28 | Jemt | qorvx: Usually, no |
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| 16:23.34 | ram_einstein | Jemt: not me! I'm not the person with the problem |
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| 16:23.42 | Jemt | ram_einstein: Oh, sorry :) |
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| 16:23.51 | valdyn | qorvx: its not even needed once in a while on windows.. |
| 16:24.18 | qorvx | does a journalled fs limit disk fragmetation more? |
| 16:24.33 | valdyn | qorvx: that has nothing to do with journaling |
| 16:24.55 | qorvx | journalling is only for error checking |
| 16:24.56 | qorvx | ? |
| 16:25.04 | ram_einstein | qorvx: kind of |
| 16:25.10 | Fox | astronaute: did you look at line 7 from http://pastebin.ca/74883 ? |
| 16:25.14 | ram_einstein | it preserves orphaned files |
| 16:25.21 | ram_einstein | and puts them in ./lost+found |
| 16:25.28 | qorvx | Jemt:what do you mean "usually no"? when do you need to defragment a linux system? |
| 16:25.30 | valdyn | qorvx: the purpose of journaling is to keep a consistent filesystem |
| 16:26.10 | snd-ca0106 | How do i set a picture like the kanotix one in grub ? |
| 16:26.17 | Jemt | qorvx: To my knowledge, it depends on the filesystem you are using. Ie ext3 dosn't need defragmentation |
| 16:26.45 | ram_einstein | snd-ca0106: splash |
| 16:27.04 | snd-ca0106 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.21 | Fox | going home, bye |
| 16:27.25 | valdyn | qorvx: defragmentation is for a major part of almost no use except to generate revenue for the defragger vendors |
| 16:27.36 | sandman | I've been reading since last night regarding the documentation @ apache.org, but still no success. |
| 16:27.45 | qorvx | Jemt:does ext2? |
| 16:27.48 | frazras | currently my command line has about 27 lines per page, eg in tty1..6 how do i change the text resolution so i have more lines per page? |
| 16:28.07 | qorvx | valdyn:ah i see |
| 16:28.10 | Jemt | qorvx: ext2 is journalised too, so no. |
| 16:28.19 | astronaute | ok sorry guys im back, network issue |
| 16:28.21 | astronaute | ram_einstein: http://pastebin.ca/74883 |
| 16:28.24 | sandman | I just wanted to enable php. I learned there's a tool called a2enmod, which I used and restarted apache. But when I browse localhost/mediawiki/, it still tries to download the PHTML files and PHP files |
| 16:28.25 | valdyn | Jemt: no, ext2 has no journal |
| 16:28.27 | polishkoop | I'm trying to get my wireless internet installed. I've downloaded ndiswrapper, but when i try to install my .inf file, it doesn't work. |
| 16:28.29 | cahoot | Jemt: ext3=ext2+journal |
| 16:28.29 | stew | Jemt: ? what do you mean "ext2 is journalised too"? |
| 16:28.38 | qorvx | Jemt:but we just said that it doesn't have to do with journalling. |
| 16:28.46 | qorvx | and ext2 isn't journalled anyway |
| 16:28.47 | Jemt | Ah yes, that's true, sorry |
| 16:29.09 | astronaute | Fox: and so ? my windows boot normally |
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| 16:29.14 | Jemt | Actually I was just looking it up - I was a bit in doubt ^^; |
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| 16:29.41 | Jemt | qorvx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system |
| 16:30.34 | wols | valdyn: depends. if you start out with things like FAT16, then yes it's of great use :) |
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| 16:30.43 | wols | it also depends how the files are generated |
| 16:30.47 | astronaute | ram_einstein: can you take a look please and tell me if invalid partition table is the problem plz |
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| 16:30.52 | sandman | I also enabled the ssl mod for apache, as it said, but connecting to https://127.0.0.1 still doesn't work. |
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| 16:31.06 | ram_einstein | astronaute: ah. Isn't the NTFS/HPFS the windoze? |
| 16:31.07 | snd-ca0106 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.13 | astronaute | it is |
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| 16:31.18 | valdyn | wols: well, i wasnt trying to say that you cant benchmark fragmentation, but pratctically its not time efficient to defrag |
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| 16:31.22 | astronaute | sda / sdb is windows RAID 0 |
| 16:31.24 | ram_einstein | astronaute: then you made a mistake |
| 16:31.27 | cahoot | sandman: restart is implicit? |
| 16:31.33 | jerware | i heard a student in the computer lab say, linux is not in the real world. |
| 16:31.36 | ram_einstein | astronaute: it should be hf\d1 |
| 16:31.46 | jerware | when i said visual basic sucks. |
| 16:31.47 | ram_einstein | hd1 |
| 16:31.52 | ram_einstein | not hd2 |
| 16:31.53 | sandman | cahoot: Yeah, I use /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
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| 16:32.06 | oliva | what port should be left open on a nfs server |
| 16:32.10 | valdyn | jerware: and? why would anyone care? |
| 16:32.11 | cahoot | sandman: someone had to ask ;) |
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| 16:32.26 | qorvx | so isn't there a command line defragmentation tool included with linux? |
| 16:32.38 | wols | qorvx: as I told you there are |
| 16:32.40 | valdyn | qorvx: there's a tool |
| 16:32.41 | aguy | hello, can someone remind me what to back up if I want to be able to save the list of packages installed on a syustem to reinstall it, its under /var somewhere, thats all I remember |
| 16:32.47 | wols | more than one even |
| 16:32.47 | sandman | Well, if the official documentation doesn't work, what should I do? |
| 16:32.50 | cahoot | qorvx: backup/restorew |
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| 16:32.57 | frazras | jerware:you should ask him if he uses the internet, most of which are linux servers |
| 16:33.07 | astronaute | what mistake ? |
| 16:33.26 | stew | aguy: /msg dpkg selections |
| 16:33.33 | astronaute | ram_einstein: why hd1 ? |
| 16:33.44 | valdyn | qorvx: there's dedicated defrag tools for some filesystems, restoring a backup to an empty partition will do it too, and much faster |
| 16:33.47 | astronaute | hd1 is another HD no ? |
| 16:34.00 | qorvx | wols:can you mention some? |
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| 16:34.13 | valdyn | s/partition/filesystem/ |
| 16:34.29 | stew | sandman: you said libapache-mod-php5 but you seem to be talking about apahce2 not apache, perhaps you need to install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:34.30 | oliva | what port should be left open on a nfs server? |
| 16:34.32 | ram_einstein | astronaute: because it's hdb/sdb |
| 16:34.37 | stew | sandman: or maybe you need to a2enmod? |
| 16:34.38 | ram_einstein | not hdc/sdc |
| 16:34.59 | valdyn | oliva: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:35.07 | astronaute | ok so i just have to replace the line root (hd1,0) ? |
| 16:35.14 | oliva | valdyn: a nfs server |
| 16:35.31 | valdyn | oliva: i knew that, but why is it traversing a firewall? |
| 16:35.39 | oliva | yep |
| 16:35.46 | sandman | That was a seperate issue. |
| 16:35.52 | oliva | the firewall is on the server |
| 16:35.59 | sandman | I used a2enmod ssl and also for php4 |
| 16:36.32 | valdyn | oliva: if you run nfs across your firewall then you might aswell just not have a firewall, nfs is not secure at all |
| 16:37.04 | stew | sandman: php4 or php5? |
| 16:37.09 | astronaute | ram_einstein: http://pastebin.ca/74902 is this ok ? |
| 16:37.37 | ram_einstein | astronaute: yes, perfectly |
| 16:37.47 | astronaute | ok i hope i t works now =) |
| 16:37.51 | astronaute | brb reboot ^ |
| 16:37.51 | sandman | I'm using php4 right now. Could that be the problem? |
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| 16:38.49 | stew | sandman: i don't know, you said that you have the files from libapache-mod-php5 on your system which is php5 for apahce 1, if you really have that installed you would certainly not be able to run php4 for apache2 |
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| 16:39.36 | qorvx | ext2 and ext2fs are 2 different fs? |
| 16:40.06 | wols | no |
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| 16:40.33 | sandman | I actually on't have libapache-mod-php5 or anything installed for apache1. The configuration files are just left, I found that out earlier. |
| 16:40.38 | scorn | Just did a dist-upgrade on testing. Complained about not being able to remove /usr/X11R6/bin, advised me to remove it manually, which I did, now I cannot seem to get the upgrade to continue, massive unmet dependency issues. Can someone give me some pointers? |
| 16:40.42 | sandman | I have libapache2-mod-php4 installed, however. |
| 16:40.55 | astronaute | same Error 13 :/ |
| 16:41.03 | jetscreamer | md /usr/X11R6/bin maybe |
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| 16:41.24 | stew | sandman: you have a /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load and php4.conf ? |
| 16:41.28 | astronaute | its so complicate to boot another os from linux =) |
| 16:41.34 | frazras | currently my command line has about 27 lines per page, eg in tty1..6 how do i change the text resolution so i have more lines per page? |
| 16:41.36 | scorn | jetscreamer: was that for me? |
| 16:41.39 | phaedrus44 | hey stew: how do i restart the udev once i made the changes? |
| 16:41.40 | oliva | stew: now the machine is running debian installation |
| 16:41.46 | sandman | Yup |
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| 16:41.49 | jetscreamer | scorn: yeah but it's just a thought |
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| 16:42.12 | oliva | valdyn: yep but port changes on every reboot |
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| 16:42.34 | oliva | stew: It still doesn't detect the drive even id sd_mod is loaded |
| 16:42.38 | stew | scorn: you have some 3rd party software installed which put a file in /usr/X11R6/bin, you should uninstall this package, then do the upgrade then maybe reinstall the offending package |
| 16:42.40 | scorn | jetscreamer: main problem appears to be cause by xbase-clients not being installed, when I try to install it, I get more unmet deps. |
| 16:42.52 | phaedrus44 | i got stew: thanks |
| 16:42.58 | sandman | There's also an ssl.conf and ssl.load, but SSL doesn't work either. |
| 16:43.06 | stew | phaedrus44: /dev/ipod shows up now? |
| 16:43.20 | phaedrus44 | not yet..i just got the restart of udev |
| 16:43.21 | phaedrus44 | lol |
| 16:43.21 | ram_einstein | Gtg. Later all. |
| 16:43.23 | astronaute | ram_einstein: thx for trying to help me, i have to keep changing boot order in bios I suppose =) |
| 16:43.30 | scorn | stew: removed the offending file, the only 3rd party software I have installed is NVidia drivers. |
| 16:43.37 | phaedrus44 | ls /dev/ipod nothing |
| 16:43.50 | stew | scorn: show us the actual outpu to of apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:43.51 | sandman | stew: I'm guessing this isn't actually a php4 problem, as SSL doesn't work, either. |
| 16:43.57 | scorn | stew: all of it? |
| 16:44.01 | stew | sandman: use a pastebin /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:44.04 | stew | scorn: ^^ |
| 16:44.08 | stew | scorn: yes, all of it |
| 16:44.08 | scorn | y |
| 16:44.23 | stew | sandman: check the apache error log when you start it |
| 16:44.27 | auliya | hey, been kicked out of ssh session, need to reconnect to pts/0 from pts/1...anyone know how? |
| 16:44.29 | jetscreamer | scorn: you may be able to either fix it or break it more with dpkg --force-something, man dpkg --force-help |
| 16:44.33 | oliva | stew: what can prevent the kernel of detecting the scsi drive? |
| 16:44.46 | stew | oliva: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:44.58 | astronaute | brb |
| 16:45.02 | stew | oliva: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:45.11 | oliva | 3.1 |
| 16:45.19 | oliva | netinst |
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| 16:45.25 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 16:45.29 | scorn | stew: done |
| 16:45.38 | stew | oliva: how is it connected? do a scsi bus on the motherboard? |
| 16:45.41 | sandman | [Thu Jun 29 11:32:40 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) PHP/4.4.2-1.1 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8b configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 16:45.45 | jeffrin | what is the command to connect to a proxy server using ftp command |
| 16:45.55 | sandman | That's all I get in the error logs. |
| 16:45.55 | k31th | by default will sendmail listen on any net interface |
| 16:45.58 | k31th | ? |
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| 16:46.08 | jeffrin | i do not have direct connection to internet |
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| 16:46.33 | scorn | stew: did you get that? booted me just after paste finished. |
| 16:46.37 | stew | sandman: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf contains "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3" ? |
| 16:46.44 | stew | scorn: what is the url? |
| 16:46.45 | sven__ | i have experimental repository enabled, but i still can't try out install gimp beta packages. are there any extra options i should add to apt? |
| 16:46.57 | oliva | stew: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:47.11 | oliva | stew: sorry but I need to go to the other room to do this |
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| 16:47.23 | stew | sven__: we don't support experimental |
| 16:47.38 | oliva | stew: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/opteron/ls20/ |
| 16:47.47 | oliva | this is the machine |
| 16:47.49 | sven__ | i know you don't support :) |
| 16:48.22 | oliva | I can see the drive in the scsi setup utility |
| 16:48.36 | oliva | but no version of the kernel detect it |
| 16:48.46 | oliva | can it be a malfunction? |
| 16:48.56 | scorn | stew: http://pastebin.ca/74915 |
| 16:48.59 | oliva | how do I check it |
| 16:49.00 | oliva | ? |
| 16:49.02 | jetscreamer | sven__: maybe apt-pinning |
| 16:49.17 | sven__ | but still, what options should one use to install experimental packages? i know, i'll do it on my own risk if my house burns down |
| 16:49.21 | sven__ | apt-pinning? |
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| 16:49.25 | sven__ | i'll check |
| 16:49.27 | sandman | stew: Yup |
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| 16:49.43 | jetscreamer | !pinning |
| 16:49.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 16:49.50 | sandman | And also AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 16:49.55 | stew | oliva: what scsi controller does "lspci" report? |
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| 16:50.11 | jetscreamer | scorn: did you try apt-get -f install ? |
| 16:50.11 | Qb3rt | i just did apt-get install xfce4... the install is done but now i am wondering how do i start that xfce? |
| 16:50.13 | oliva | stew: the scsi controller is lsi 1030 |
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| 16:50.15 | Alam_Debian | rm 'find -name "*.ogg"' <- this is delete my OGGs files (Quality -1), right? |
| 16:50.16 | scorn | y |
| 16:50.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:50.37 | oliva | stew: need to go to the other room to check lspci output ... brb |
| 16:50.39 | fowlduck | scorn: ?? |
| 16:50.41 | stew | oliva: wait |
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| 16:50.50 | fowlduck | oh, nvm |
| 16:50.53 | fowlduck | wrong channel |
| 16:50.54 | jetscreamer | Qb3rt: startx? |
| 16:51.08 | fowlduck | anyone know how to get a list of all packages that have been installed since first boot? |
| 16:51.08 | kdean06 | How do I unbind things from ports? Specifically... Starting control panel: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:8080 |
| 16:51.10 | OmegaZ | Sorry for asking stupid question but: What is the entry i should put to /etc/sudoers so that my useraccount could run any commands under root, so that it would time out and ask password atleast every 15 mins? |
| 16:51.14 | fowlduck | i think i could diff the initial dpkg -l with the one after installation, but if there's an easier way.... |
| 16:51.15 | Qb3rt | command not found! |
| 16:51.28 | scorn | stew: http://pastebin.ca/74916 |
| 16:51.41 | stew | oliva: here's what we really need to know. type lspci, find the scsi, look at the first column, then run lspci -n, and find the entry with the same first column, then tell me what the third column is, it should look something like XXXX:XXXX |
| 16:51.43 | jetscreamer | Qb3rt: try apt-get install x-window-system if startx isn't found |
| 16:52.29 | stew | scorn: vide is the 3rd party software that is messing you up |
| 16:52.48 | Qb3rt | jetscreamer: okay thanks... its now downloading and installing the stuff |
| 16:52.50 | scorn | wtf is vide? |
| 16:52.54 | sandman | I get this @ the bottom of hte pages that load on my server with a2enmod ssl php4 run: Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) PHP/4.4.2-1.1 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8b Server at localhost Port 80 |
| 16:53.07 | fowlduck | OmegaZ: I'd create an "admin" group and add your user to it, then put the following in your sudoers: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 16:53.22 | fowlduck | OmegaZ: that's how it's done in ubuntu anyways. as for the timeout, i dunno |
| 16:53.37 | scorn | stew: any idea how I might force its removal? |
| 16:54.00 | OmegaZ | fowlduck: Ty, then i need just to solve that timeout thin out. |
| 16:54.11 | jetscreamer | man dpkg --force-help |
| 16:54.12 | stew | scorn: apt-get remove vide |
| 16:54.14 | fowlduck | OmegaZ: man sudo and man /etc/sudoers |
| 16:54.28 | jetscreamer | --force is dangerous they say |
| 16:54.32 | scorn | stew: not working. |
| 16:54.36 | scorn | -f either. |
| 16:54.50 | jetscreamer | i use --force-all personally |
| 16:54.52 | stew | scorn: what happens when you run "apt-get remove vide"? |
| 16:54.54 | sandman | Viewing http://localhost/phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php works fine, however. It's just when I try to view localhost/mediawiki. So it's almost as if php is working for some sites, but not all |
| 16:55.06 | scorn | same dependency issue as my 1st post. |
| 16:55.20 | jetscreamer | you can try my favorite |
| 16:55.21 | oliva | stew: no lspci available |
| 16:55.24 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 16:55.24 | dpkg | methinks fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 16:55.34 | scorn | stew: gdm: Depends: xbase-client...... |
| 16:55.37 | fowlduck | anyone know how to get a list of all packages that have been installed since first boot? |
| 16:55.39 | oliva | stew: I'm running di |
| 16:55.47 | cahoot | OmegaZ: man sudoers|grep -A 5 timeout |
| 16:55.47 | oliva | now lspci in the console |
| 16:55.56 | jetscreamer | di as in you're installing? |
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| 16:56.05 | jetscreamer | oliva: ? ^^ |
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| 16:56.22 | oliva | jetscreamer: yep why not? |
| 16:57.02 | scorn | stew: you get that? |
| 16:57.27 | stew | scorn: when you run "apt-get remove vide" it complains that gdm depends on xbase-clients? |
| 16:57.48 | stew | scorn: how about "dpkg -r vide" |
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| 16:58.12 | jetscreamer | oliva: which version of the installer? |
| 16:58.37 | oliva | I'm installing 3.1 |
| 16:58.42 | jetscreamer | oliva: have you tried the beta etch installer? seems like the one you have doesn't support that chipset |
| 16:58.44 | scorn | stew: that appeared to work, now how do I get back on track? |
| 16:58.48 | jetscreamer | or |
| 16:58.52 | jetscreamer | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 16:58.53 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 16:58.56 | scorn | stew: w/o screwing things up again. |
| 16:59.24 | Eclipser | I can make a program to write to stdout instead of file by passing - to it, how can I pipe that to something else? | oerr - doesn't seem to work (it still gets printed to stdout) |
| 16:59.31 | oliva | jetscreamer: = |
| 16:59.34 | stew | scorn: apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 16:59.35 | oliva | jetscreamer: ? |
| 16:59.38 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:59.42 | oliva | LO |
| 16:59.43 | oliva | L |
| 17:00.08 | oliva | jetscreamer: the scsi controller module is loaded |
| 17:00.13 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:00.22 | oliva | the drive is not detected |
| 17:00.23 | jetscreamer | nm :( |
| 17:00.29 | scorn | stew: looks like its going on now. Thanks a ton. |
| 17:00.44 | oliva | stew: any clue? |
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| 17:03.20 | stew | oliva: i'd need to now what "lspci -n" says about your card (specifically the third column XXXX:XXXX) if you want me to help you figure out what module will provide a driver fo your controller |
| 17:03.30 | fowlduck | anyone know how to get a list of all packages that have been installed since first boot? |
| 17:03.33 | stew | oliva: you also might try the 2.6 kernel if the 2.4 kernel isnt' detecting your controller |
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| 17:04.03 | kdean06 | fowlduck, dpkg-query -l |
| 17:04.22 | fowlduck | kdean06: thanks |
| 17:04.35 | Qb3rt | i made a mistake configuring a package... im trying to apt-get remove and apt-get install again but the system is not entirely deleting the old stuff so my config stay the same.... is there a manner to really remove a package? |
| 17:04.52 | wols | apurge it |
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| 17:04.55 | wols | !purge |
| 17:04.55 | fowlduck | kdean06: hmm, that gives me all packages installed instead of what has been installed since first boot |
| 17:04.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, purge is to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 17:05.41 | kdean06 | fowlduck, So you want a list showing packages that have since been removed? |
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| 17:06.17 | fowlduck | kdean06: no, a list showing packages that have since been added, supposing i haven't done anything but added packages |
| 17:07.27 | kdean06 | fowlduck, Oh. Hrm... Now that one might be a bit more difficult. :-) |
| 17:07.47 | fowlduck | kdean06: best I can figure is a diff, but if there is something already built to do that then.... |
| 17:08.39 | fowlduck | kdean06: a dpkg -l right after first boot into a file, then after all packages are installed, another dpkg -l |
| 17:08.47 | fowlduck | into a file, then diff them |
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| 17:08.53 | fowlduck | but there has to be an easier way |
| 17:09.52 | kdean06 | fowlduck, Yeah. I know there is a list of all of the base packages on debian.org somewhere, but I'm lazy. :-) A diff against that might help, if you can get a consise enough list. |
| 17:10.10 | oliva | stew: the disk was unplugged!!!!! |
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| 17:10.48 | fowlduck | kdean06: well, I haven't installed any packages yet, so I'm looking for an easier way before I begin |
| 17:11.32 | thevic | how does fstab handle spaces in windows network shares? when i precede them w/ an escape char ("\") it complains that that entry is malformed, and when i get rid of the spaces, it complains that i specified an invalid share name when i try to mount |
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| 17:12.06 | kdean06 | fowlduck, Oh, in that case... |
| 17:12.12 | fowlduck | thevic: get rid of spaces? |
| 17:12.39 | thevic | ie ... the share i would like to mount is "//Blues/I once H" |
| 17:13.14 | thevic | so i my fstab i have tried .... //Blues/I\ once\ H and //Blues/IonceH |
| 17:13.54 | kdean06 | fowlduck, Then just put the contents of a dpkg-query into a text file. When you need to compare, just diff it from there. The hardest part of the process is determining what was there to begin, and you can do that quite easily now. :-) |
| 17:14.18 | calmar | hi all, in the console (out of X) when I type a " it blocks and e.g. if the next letter is a `a' I get ä. I deleted all compose stuff in the keymap. Any idea how to turn that off? |
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| 17:15.37 | fowlduck | kdean06: never used diff before (to my embarassment), is it as simple as diff <file1> <file2>? I'm looking for examples now |
| 17:15.39 | xuumbi | anyone know how to get fstab to mount a compressed filesystem image file at boot? |
| 17:15.54 | fowlduck | kdean06: btw, thanks for your help :D |
| 17:16.07 | calmar | fowlduck: check it out. |
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| 17:16.25 | calmar | it is basically |
| 17:16.28 | gapz | 'lo |
| 17:16.36 | fowlduck | gapz: howdy |
| 17:16.46 | xuumbi | I can mount it fine after logging in, mount /my.img /something -t cramfs -o ro, but I can't figure out how to get it to mount at boot with fstab |
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| 17:22.27 | fowlduck | the command to list all installed packages is: dpkg -l |
| 17:22.28 | fowlduck | right? |
| 17:23.32 | azeem | no |
| 17:23.37 | azeem | fowlduck: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 17:23.45 | fowlduck | right, ok |
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| 17:24.26 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. I'm using nvidia-glx, I was here earlier as kamoricks. I'm not getting sufficient 3d acceleration as I did with the drivers from the site. How can I get those? |
| 17:24.41 | freeone3000 | As in, I'm stuck with OpenGl 1.4, not 2.0.2 |
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| 17:29.09 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, does PXE install work, even if you use a router (Netgear) ? |
| 17:29.13 | freeone3000 | Anyone know how I can get the nvidia-glx package to run good enough so that I can play unreal tournament again? |
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| 17:33.26 | dayi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.54 | lakcaj | dayi: which ftp server? Did you use the init script to start the daemon? |
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| 17:36.06 | Schuyler | question |
| 17:36.12 | Schuyler | I'm getting the following on a package install |
| 17:36.17 | Schuyler | [[ subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 17:36.18 | Schuyler | ]] |
| 17:36.22 | Schuyler | how do I debug this? |
| 17:36.32 | Schuyler | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.39 | dayi | lakcaj:I tried first proftp but it was broken , than I have tried all of them:) now ftpd exits , I am trying /etc/init.d/ws-ftpd start ( before uninstalling) no promt for starting just new command line |
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| 17:37.06 | Cillian | In teh installer, what's in teh "Standard system" and "Desktop environment" catagories? |
| 17:37.17 | abrotman | don't use that |
| 17:37.27 | abrotman | Cillian: finish the install .. then ask us how to install what you want |
| 17:37.30 | Schuyler | it seems to be failing on a call to db_get |
| 17:37.39 | Schuyler | which is apparently defined in /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
| 17:37.43 | Schuyler | but I cannot see what db_get is doing |
| 17:38.11 | Cillian | So don't install "Standard system" either? |
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| 17:39.33 | snd-ca0106 | hi, can i download crystalsvg icon theme somewhere ? |
| 17:39.39 | snd-ca0106 | (mine copy broke down) |
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| 17:43.36 | sandman | What port does memcached run on? |
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| 17:44.38 | Tenshi | is anyone experiencing disk-access/IO related lagging in 2.6.16 kernels? |
| 17:44.48 | mahyar | what is a good streamripper for windows media video? |
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| 17:45.39 | k-god | mahyar: There's a number of streaming audio / video capture tools. IIRC LWN ran an article in the past few months. |
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| 17:45.49 | Cillian | Ooh |
| 17:45.55 | Cillian | mahyar: use mplayer -dumpstream |
| 17:47.07 | mahyar | thnx |
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| 17:47.16 | Tenshi | noone? |
| 17:47.20 | fowlduck | is there a way to prevent devices from automounting? |
| 17:47.32 | fowlduck | as in CDs and thumb drives |
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| 17:47.39 | k-god | fowlduck: Remove them from your automount specification. |
| 17:47.49 | fowlduck | k-god: which is where? :) |
| 17:47.52 | k-god | fowlduck: /etc/auto.misc and somewhere under /var |
| 17:47.55 | k-god | fowlduck: man autofs |
| 17:48.01 | fowlduck | ok, thanks |
| 17:48.12 | blondie | isnt that an fstab thing then |
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| 17:49.03 | k-god | blondie: Not automounting, no. There's an automount daemon that runs for that. |
| 17:49.32 | blondie | oh |
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| 17:52.15 | Erazer | Hello / Bonjour :) |
| 17:52.45 | eastwood | howdy |
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| 17:54.55 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:54.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:57.25 | macly | well this is weird, I started mirroring i386 and sparc binaries from ibiblio, it finished up fine, around 30GB of data, then I decided to run an update off of one of the main mirrors, and now it's downloading another almost 10GB of data! (mostly sparc packages) even though I was downloading sparc packages from ibiblio |
| 17:57.35 | macly | any ideas? does ibiblio just not have a full mirror of sparc? |
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| 17:58.53 | sandman | That's odd. I just spent hours trying to figure out why my configuration wasn't working... I upgraded firefox, and then tried to browse localhost/mediawiki, and it just magically started working. |
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| 17:59.05 | sandman | It stopped trying to download the PHTML files. What's going on here? |
| 17:59.11 | sandman | It was all firefox? |
| 17:59.35 | popeye_sail | can someone help me solve my problem??? |
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| 18:00.06 | Thug-N-Me | i need to cut a bit from a mp3 files how will i do this ? what package do i need except audacity which doesnt work for me ... |
| 18:00.26 | dayi | can I install etch to a company? is it secure enough? |
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| 18:00.29 | Zvpun | how can I output a file except for the first N lines? (somehow the reverse of "head"). |
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| 18:02.14 | Mitja | Zvpun, tail? |
| 18:02.32 | Zvpun | Mitja: I have read the manpage and cant see how to do that with tail. |
| 18:02.47 | fowlduck | what port is mysql typically on? |
| 18:03.00 | Jemt | fowlduck: 3306 |
| 18:03.10 | fowlduck | Jemt: much appreciated :D |
| 18:03.15 | Jemt | fowlduck: :) |
| 18:03.57 | Mitja | Zvpun, tail <file> |
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| 18:04.51 | Zvpun | Mitja: but I want to skip the first 200000 lines |
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| 18:06.12 | cahoot | Thug-N-Me: without knowing in detail I'd say ecasound can do whatever you want in thetrespect |
| 18:06.55 | Thug-N-Me | cahoot i will try it now |
| 18:06.56 | Zvpun | Mitja: tail --lines=+N file works. |
| 18:07.14 | cahoot | Thug-N-Me: might be good to know it's all CLI |
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| 18:07.36 | Reveal | anyone here running xfce on debian ? |
| 18:08.19 | Reveal | I get this error and the only google results I get are people running unstable who have the same, libxfcegui4-CRITICAL **: netk_workspace_get_number: assertion `NETK_IS_WORKSPACE (space)' failed |
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| 18:09.14 | Thug-N-Me | cahoot ecasound its not a fronted application so i cannot work with it ;( |
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| 18:09.53 | thevic | umount -f vs umount -l? |
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| 18:11.23 | automat | i'm having a problem with nvidia drivers using testing/unstable, xorg 7.0, kernel 2.6.15. I recompiled my kernel preemptive to *hopefully* improve desktop performance. i used make-kpkg for this, and it successfully rebuilt other kernel modules (madwifi, etc). unfortunately, it screwed up my nvidia kernel module, which was to be expected. I tried forcing a reinstall of the nvidia-kernel packages (i was using legacy-glx, etc), but i can't get it to |
| 18:11.45 | automat | --nvidia's installer, but that wont work either. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:12.27 | hologram | i just gave up on the nvidia binary driver altogether .. using debian testing here with same kernel .. what a PITA .. i just reverted back to the nv driver |
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| 18:12.30 | hologram | just my experience |
| 18:13.03 | nix | proprietary in your face ;) |
| 18:13.12 | ekkikrist | heh |
| 18:13.22 | automat | hologram: that's what i'm doing now. the problem is that it was working fine before i recompiled the kernel. now i'm back on xv with my scren rendering about an inch too far to the right. |
| 18:13.23 | ekkikrist | dirtyyyy |
| 18:13.31 | automat | :P |
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| 18:13.42 | hologram | automat: what method did you use to get it working initially? |
| 18:13.51 | infernix | well whenever you custom compile a kernel you'll have to rebuild the nvidia's modules as well |
| 18:13.56 | popeye_sail | i screwed up my windows partition, any way to make it bootab le?pls help!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:14.04 | infernix | unfortunately i have no clue about nvidia since i have only ati cards |
| 18:14.13 | automat | hologram: i just installed all the legacy nvidia stuff--not the newest versions |
| 18:14.33 | ozgur | hello |
| 18:14.46 | loiic | when a package has been remove but not with --purge |
| 18:15.06 | loiic | is it possible to apply the --purge later on or do we need to reinstall the package to delete it again |
| 18:15.14 | raf256 | printing is horribly freaking broken in testing! |
| 18:15.15 | infernix | purge anytime you want |
| 18:15.18 | stew | loiic: dpkg -P packagename |
| 18:15.18 | automat | infernix: that's why i tried building it using nvidia's installer... but xorg fails saying that the kernel module couldn't be initialized, so i have no idea what to do... it looks as though all the non-free nvidia packages are designed to only work with stock kernels |
| 18:15.36 | loiic | thanks! |
| 18:15.52 | hologram | automat: is the nvidia module loaded ? |
| 18:15.58 | raf256 | mot** f**** cups devels |
| 18:15.58 | automat | yeah |
| 18:15.59 | hologram | automat: ie lsmod | grep nvid |
| 18:16.18 | automat | hologram: yeah |
| 18:16.20 | infernix | that hurts |
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| 18:16.24 | hologram | roger |
| 18:16.32 | stew | raf256: stop. you do a lot of complaining about the debian devels becuase stuff is broken, its really not helpful. maybe you should be running stable instead |
| 18:17.19 | infernix | its beyond me how words like 'unstable' and 'testing' dont ring the bell for people. how many ways are there to interpret those words anyway |
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| 18:17.22 | stew | raf256: and so far it seems that most of your agression towards the devels is misguided, for instance your problems that you were having with non-free graphics drivers is not the fault of debian developers |
| 18:17.24 | cahoot | raf256: any error msg in /var/log/cups/error_log? |
| 18:18.05 | raf256 | stew: no, it is the SAME driver, the debian Xorg changed |
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| 18:18.26 | stew | raf256: yes and it will continue to change |
| 18:18.42 | infernix | raf256: stable = stable. testing = changes. unstable = mayhem. |
| 18:18.44 | raf256 | also KControll Center is fucked up |
| 18:18.47 | raf256 | what the hell |
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| 18:19.09 | ktwilight | some people just can't be satisfied with anything... :/ |
| 18:19.15 | stew | raf256: and soon 7.1 will be uploaded and you will probably be having lots of trouble with your non-free drivers again. if you were to stick the the xorg drivers you probably wouldn't have these problems |
| 18:19.28 | raf256 | ah fuck this lame debian, I will print it via windows xp then. :[ |
| 18:19.37 | ktwilight | oOoooo i can't wait for that to hpapen stew! :D |
| 18:19.55 | ktwilight | raf256, that's sad... |
| 18:20.02 | stew | raf256: if you have actual questions to ask, ask them. if you are just here to complain, please don't bother |
| 18:20.22 | ktwilight | raf256, i got a Q, why did you move to debian? |
| 18:20.22 | raf256 | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373112 the solution stated tehre do not work. |
| 18:20.31 | randey | any tool for adding copyright to photos? |
| 18:20.47 | stew | randey: composite from imagemagick |
| 18:20.48 | automat | oh cool. the "auto adjust" feature of my monitor just realized that the xv driver positions the screen a little to the right and fixed it. to hell with the proprietary drivers. as long as an inch of my desktop isn't off the screen, nv is fine with me. who needs 3d accel anyway |
| 18:20.52 | raf256 | ktwilight: to get mor high quality soft, it seems I was wrong in area of printing :p |
| 18:20.54 | raf256 | * :[ |
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| 18:21.06 | Jemt | raf256: Having printer problems ? |
| 18:21.07 | ktwilight | high quality software? |
| 18:21.15 | raf256 | Jemt: link above to DB |
| 18:21.17 | randey | stew : thanks , I will try that |
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| 18:21.31 | ktwilight | it hink you got the wrong impression 'bout linux in general raf256 :/ |
| 18:21.39 | ktwilight | high quality software is non-OS specific. |
| 18:21.48 | raf256 | "Simply generate a new PPD, copy it to wherever the old one is locatedand you should be able to print again" |
| 18:21.59 | stew | raf256: what is the error you are getting now? |
| 18:22.09 | raf256 | "simply"? what the f*** simply? I have no freaking idea what damn PPD is, I fust want to print a page mon! |
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| 18:22.18 | stew | raf256: calm down |
| 18:22.24 | ktwilight | *nods* |
| 18:22.37 | raf256 | I SIMPLY will get it done on windows XP |
| 18:22.43 | stew | raf256: wait, you said the solution stated doesn't work. now you are saying you don't even know how to attempt that solution? |
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| 18:22.46 | raf256 | since debian is incapable of printing in testing |
| 18:22.52 | stew | raf256: that's not true |
| 18:22.58 | ktwilight | *nods* |
| 18:23.01 | azeem | raf256: maybe you should stick with stable |
| 18:23.01 | blondie | raf256: really, works for me |
| 18:23.05 | wols | stew: just let him run windows. he seems to like it |
| 18:23.14 | ktwilight | *nods* |
| 18:23.43 | ktwilight | i'm a happy convert from windows to debian. i think it's the matter of attitude...... |
| 18:23.44 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 18:23.47 | raf256 | wols: windows Just Works(tm). in printing on my Epson Stylus C64, at least |
| 18:23.59 | stew | raf256: are you using cups? |
| 18:24.01 | ktwilight | i've seen windows not accepting printer drivers before :/ |
| 18:24.02 | raf256 | I was happy, untill fucked up printing or OpenGL |
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| 18:24.31 | Jemt | raf256: Have you tried installing Epson's drivers ? |
| 18:24.33 | Jemt | raf256: http://esupport.epson-europe.com/ProductHome.aspx?lng=en-EU&data=D838008D4AD5F34E67FA366CD432F67289869B2AD06932830F0079B71EA3F70A |
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| 18:25.11 | Jemt | raf256: Bugger, never mind. "There is no driver available to download for your configuration. This is may be due to the fact that the driver is already included with your operating system." |
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| 18:26.02 | ego | hi |
| 18:26.07 | Cae2 | why "grub-install /dev/sda" runs with no problem, and after shutdown it doesnt start? |
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| 18:26.48 | stew | Cae2: is your bios set to boot from that drive first? |
| 18:26.54 | nuke | when mail is sent to a user...does it goto /var/spool/mail/<user> or /<userhome>/mbox ? |
| 18:27.15 | Cae2 | stew yes |
| 18:27.16 | wols | depends on the MTA and MDA you use and how it is set up |
| 18:27.17 | dinchak | hey everyone, i just recovered a disk from massive failure, not much on the server tho.. is there an easy way to reinstall the base system without the cd? im not at the console at the moment |
| 18:27.22 | wols | usually to /var/spool |
| 18:27.41 | stew | nuke: that depends on the MTA/MDA it could be either. /var/spool/mail/$user is more common |
| 18:27.41 | Cae2 | stew I used the d-i 2.6.15 as you suggest me yesterday |
| 18:27.55 | stew | Cae2: what happens when you try to boot? |
| 18:28.13 | nuke | wols and if both exist? does it mean both are being used...the system righ tnow is an ancient redhat 7.2/sendmail/UWimap |
| 18:28.19 | stew | raf256: please keep it on topic |
| 18:28.24 | stew | raf256: are you using cups? |
| 18:28.33 | wols | nuke: ask #redhat then |
| 18:28.35 | raf256 | at least debian managed to make a .PDF out of document, and record the CD so I can take it to a real system |
| 18:28.36 | Cae2 | Stew, the generic error of "disk not found" shows |
| 18:28.48 | Cae2 | but bios detect the hdd |
| 18:29.05 | Cae2 | d-i found the hdd with no problem |
| 18:29.08 | stew | raf256: do you actually want help with your problems or are you just here to complain? i'm trying to help you but you don't seem to want help. if this is the case, please just move on |
| 18:29.09 | raf256 | stew: dunno |
| 18:29.17 | wols | you get the "please put in a floppy and press any key" message? |
| 18:29.34 | raf256 | I want to complain about fucked up printing support, btw it would be nice to fix problem too - bbl |
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| 18:29.58 | stew | raf256: you said that the solution provided by the DD in that bug report doesn't work. he suggested 2 solutions, and you have made it clear that you don't even know how to try either solution |
| 18:30.12 | stew | raf256: so i don't know how you came to the conclusion that they don't work |
| 18:30.27 | blondie | raf256: maybe you should try ubuntu or something if you want things to Just Work (TM) |
| 18:30.33 | azeem | they don't work for him |
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| 18:30.40 | ktwilight | ubuntu is worst, i heard. |
| 18:30.41 | raf256 | stew: I installed the gnusomething - and it didnt work |
| 18:30.43 | Jemt | raf256: People are trying to help you here. At least treat them with the respect they deserve! |
| 18:30.52 | raf256 | Ubuntu is an african word for help, I can't.. ;) |
| 18:30.54 | Tenshi | anyone know if there's a way to inspect/set the dma status on an SATA drive? |
| 18:31.04 | blondie | raf256: really, in what language? |
| 18:31.08 | azeem | raf256: no, it means "Humanity towards others" |
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| 18:31.12 | stew | raf256: stop saying that. i've asked you to stop with that before |
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| 18:31.37 | Jemt | ktwilight: Ubuntu is actually a pretty nice system - but Dapper has some serious issues. I wouldn't recommend using the most recent version until at least 2 months. But I think clean debian > ubuntu :) |
| 18:31.38 | raf256 | blondie: "Ubuntu" is actually an old-affrican word for "Help, I can't configure my Debian". Srsly! |
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| 18:31.47 | blondie | raf256: riiight. |
| 18:31.52 | ktwilight | ahso. :) |
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| 18:32.12 | ktwilight | that's quite sad ya know :/ |
| 18:32.18 | stew | raf256: i've taken away your voice for ten minutes. after that, plase keep it on topic. if you want help, please ask for it, don't just come here to complain |
| 18:32.18 | ktwilight | why do people want to suffer? i just don't get it. |
| 18:32.24 | Cae2 | wols, stew, "no bootable device -- insert boot disc and press any key" |
| 18:32.28 | cparker | LMAO @ raf256 |
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| 18:32.53 | wols | Cae2: that's a bios problem. check your hardware or such |
| 18:33.06 | wols | cparker: don't encourage idiots |
| 18:33.56 | azeem | wols: don't call people names, please |
| 18:34.25 | shogunx | now now, children. cant we all hold hands, and sing cumbaya? |
| 18:34.26 | Cae2 | wols, strange... do you imagine what can be? |
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| 18:34.45 | stew | Cae2: have you been able to boot another bootloader / os from that drive? |
| 18:35.42 | thevic | is there a way to illicit a more .... descriptive error message than "umount2: Device or resource busy?" |
| 18:35.53 | Cae2 | Stew, from that drive no, since its new... I installed debian on that drive via cd-rom.. floppy disks also loads fine |
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| 18:36.25 | Jemt | thevic: You probably have a browser / console open, located in the folder/device you are trying to umount (?) |
| 18:36.32 | wols | what is your boot order set up? |
| 18:36.47 | thevic | Jemt, yes i am ... |
| 18:36.49 | stew | Cae2: try lilo maybe? i'd really wonder if you have the bios set correctly to try that drive, but its hard for me to know |
| 18:37.01 | Jemt | thevic: You can't umount a device in use |
| 18:37.06 | Led_Zeppelin | Is it possible to install Linux/debian/Ubuntu without going thru the whole install process? I am thinking more of debboot strap |
| 18:37.08 | Cae2 | wols, floopy, cd-rom, hard drive (hard drive order detect fine my 250GB HDD SATA2) |
| 18:37.23 | thevic | Jemt is there a way to tell it to print what process is using the device? |
| 18:37.32 | wols | thevic: lsof |
| 18:37.35 | Jemt | thevic: I'm not sure |
| 18:37.35 | stew | thevic: that error pretty much always means that there is some file from that filesystem that is still open. lsof / fuser can help find the files that are open and what process has them open |
| 18:37.37 | dinchak | anyone know of a way to re-install the base system without the cd? im booted into it right now, afraid to reboot b/c i dont know if it'll come back up again |
| 18:37.40 | cparker | i'm trying to write an aim bot for a client of mine, but i cannot seem to test it. upon further investigation, i've found that i cannot connect to aim servers using the program "naim", either. |
| 18:37.52 | cparker | is there a way to determine if there's a firewall issue on my end? |
| 18:38.04 | cparker | i don't think i have iptables set up to block aim traffic. |
| 18:38.06 | wols | dinchak: get base.tar.get from a debian install medium |
| 18:38.16 | thevic | k ill check out lsof and fuser thnx |
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| 18:38.42 | dinchak | wols: thanks |
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| 18:39.34 | Cae2 | stew, I'll try install again using lilo..... |
| 18:39.46 | wols | don't reinstall |
| 18:39.52 | wols | just install lilo |
| 18:40.00 | cparker | is there a firewall log file or anything like that that i can examine to find out why aim traffic isn't going through? |
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| 18:40.22 | Cae2 | how if it even boot? |
| 18:40.22 | wols | iptables only logs if you tell it to |
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| 18:40.51 | wols | boot a kernel from a CD with root=pathtoyourdebian/ |
| 18:41.11 | Cae2 | hmm.. I'll try |
| 18:41.50 | klync | hey gang... what's the name of the application/wizard to regenerate exim configs? i know update-exim4.conf will do the actual regeneration, but what's the wizard program? |
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| 18:42.19 | wols | does anyone know why rescue mode was disabled in sarge? |
| 18:42.25 | wols | on sarge CDs that is |
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| 18:42.51 | bebb | klync: maybe dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 18:43.03 | klync | bebb: i think that's it... i'll give it a try ... ty |
| 18:43.23 | ozgur | Gnu_Emacs kimsin sen ? |
| 18:43.41 | bebb | or exim(-)config |
| 18:43.51 | bebb | i dunno, i don't do exim |
| 18:44.13 | klync | bebb: i'm more of a sendmail kinda guy, but that's what the other admin installed so... |
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| 18:44.17 | ozgur | Gnu_Emacs, sadece kanal degil server genelinde saygisizlik etmen buradan atilmana sebep olur |
| 18:44.40 | ozgur | [ctcp(Gnu_Emacs)] VERSION |
| 18:44.40 | ozgur | -:- CTCP VERSION reply from Gnu_Emacs: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 18:44.40 | stew | ozgur: english only in here, please |
| 18:45.11 | ozgur | defcon8, muhattap bile olma |
| 18:45.17 | ozgur | adam daha linux bile kullanmiyor |
| 18:45.23 | ozgur | kaldi ki onunla paylasacagin bir konu bile yok |
| 18:45.24 | stew | ozgur: stop. please only use english in here |
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| 18:45.46 | ozgur | what stew? |
| 18:46.01 | stew | ozgur: this is an english only channel. |
| 18:46.10 | ozgur | stew okey |
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| 18:46.19 | randey | what is command for imagemagick ? |
| 18:46.20 | thevic | can somebody refresh my memory as to how to output the contents of man to a text editor? (ie vi/vim?) |
| 18:46.24 | Thunderguy | Hey I'm having a booting issue after an 'apt-get upgrade' on a debian testing fresh install from earlier this week and really need some help. |
| 18:46.26 | ozgur | i am from turkey, lets speak turkish, english.. |
| 18:46.35 | azeem | !tr |
| 18:46.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 18:47.12 | bebb | randey: lots and lots of commmands |
| 18:47.21 | ktwilight | paste the error Thunderguy |
| 18:47.27 | ktwilight | not in channel though. |
| 18:47.32 | Thunderguy | ktwilight: I don't have the error, it doesn't boot |
| 18:47.35 | ktwilight | oh |
| 18:47.44 | ktwilight | where does it stop at? |
| 18:48.03 | Thunderguy | ktwilight: hda7 not found, although it does exist as Knoppix proves |
| 18:48.28 | ktwilight | i dunno :( |
| 18:48.36 | ktwilight | it's ide? or sata? |
| 18:48.43 | Thunderguy | ktwilight, It does this thing, it sees the hard drive, pulls the correct module then says it detected some scsi devices and pauses for 2 minutes..... then it comes back and says not found |
| 18:48.45 | Thunderguy | ide |
| 18:48.55 | Thunderguy | I have no scsi devices either =/ |
| 18:48.56 | ktwilight | oh :( |
| 18:49.00 | ktwilight | i dunno... :( |
| 18:49.05 | ktwilight | others can help for sure :) |
| 18:49.09 | Thunderguy | but it finds scsi anyway, probably some motherboard emulation, the new systems are doing that |
| 18:49.28 | Thunderguy | It doesn't get past kernel stage of booting |
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| 18:49.57 | ktwilight | maybe kernel is messed up? |
| 18:50.00 | foo | bleh. I have mozilla-mplayerplugin I think it's called ... and w32codecs.. and quicktimelib0 ... but I cannot play http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/large.html ... can you guys |
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| 18:50.12 | Thunderguy | Well, I wouldn't think so, I would think a kernel module has been updated though |
| 18:50.30 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 18:50.38 | ktwilight | i'm scared of rebooting now :/ |
| 18:51.06 | Thunderguy | Don't be scared, I'm on an emachines |
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| 18:51.43 | ktwilight | emachines? |
| 18:51.51 | ktwilight | stew should be able to help, if i'm not wrong :) |
| 18:51.57 | ktwilight | or abrotman |
| 18:52.04 | ktwilight | or some debian developers? |
| 18:52.06 | stew | i don't know what an emachine is |
| 18:52.07 | abrotman | what? |
| 18:52.09 | Thunderguy | What I'm looking for is, what kind of problem would cause hda* to not be recognized in the kernel anymore? |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | stew: packard bell |
| 18:52.16 | abrotman | kind of |
| 18:52.20 | ktwilight | oh |
| 18:52.23 | abrotman | now owned by gateway |
| 18:52.31 | stew | Thunderguy: did you recently switch kernels? |
| 18:52.42 | Thunderguy | stew: Nope, unless apt-get upgrade would do that |
| 18:52.43 | shogunx | its an el cheapo desktop pushed through bestbuy and the like. |
| 18:52.43 | stew | i now know all about emachines |
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| 18:53.00 | stew | Thunderguy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:53.02 | ktwilight | i thought gateway went into extinction :/ |
| 18:53.12 | hologram | emachines are fine once you replace the bottom end power supplies and hard drives they use |
| 18:53.14 | Thunderguy | stew: However, the kernel version in my knoppix is higher then the one in my debian, and knoppix booted fine detecting the hard disk as hda |
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| 18:53.17 | abrotman | ktwilight: not at all |
| 18:53.24 | ktwilight | *searches for gateway* |
| 18:53.30 | abrotman | gateway.com ? |
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| 18:53.37 | hologram | those 'bestec' power supplies are notorious for frying emachines boards |
| 18:53.49 | ktwilight | wow! |
| 18:53.51 | ktwilight | amazing... |
| 18:54.02 | Thunderguy | stew: I'm on 2.6.17 but my debian I believe is on 15 something, I don't know since I'm booted on knoppix because of the boot problem on debian |
| 18:54.30 | stew | Thunderguy: do you see this error while booting? |
| 18:54.49 | stew | i'm guessinng its an initrd problem |
| 18:54.54 | Thunderguy | stew: Yes, in the kernel stage of booting the ending error is hda7 ( my root partition ) not found |
| 18:55.22 | stew | VFS: Can't mount root? |
| 18:55.32 | stew | waiting for root volumne or something? |
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| 18:55.59 | Thunderguy | stew: Before the ending stage I see that it detects my IDE device, then detects some Scsi devices, which I don't even believe I have scsi, then it hangs for about 2 minutes before sptting out the hda7 not found |
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| 18:56.48 | stew | Thunderguy: chroot into debian and show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 udev grub ; dpkg -l | grep linux-image" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:57.23 | Thunderguy | stew: Is it just chroot? or do I need to mount other things into it? |
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| 18:57.51 | stew | Thunderguy: mount your root partition somewhere, like /mnt/hda7 ; then chroot /mnt/hda7 ; then run the commands above |
| 18:58.26 | stew | Thunderguy: the chroot command starts a subshell where / will actaully be /mnt/hda7, so when you run commands you'll actually be running them from your debian install |
| 18:58.28 | Cae2 | wols, booting with cd shows: "Could not find kernel image: root=/dev/sda" |
| 18:58.33 | Cae2 | wols, booting with cd shows: "Could not find kernel image: root=/dev/sda1" |
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| 18:58.43 | ozgur | hey |
| 18:58.46 | ozgur | karatas:~/.gnupg# touch /quota.user /quota.group |
| 18:58.46 | ozgur | karatas:~/.gnupg# chmod 600 /quota.* |
| 18:58.46 | ozgur | karatas:~/.gnupg# mount -o remount / |
| 18:58.46 | ozgur | karatas:~/.gnupg# quotacheck -avugm |
| 18:58.46 | ozgur | quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.user was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings... |
| 18:58.47 | *** kick/#debian [ozgur!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood) |
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| 18:58.53 | stew | Cae2: you want somehting like "linux root=/dev/sda1" |
| 18:58.55 | ozgur | what is your problem ? |
| 18:59.02 | stew | !tell ozgur about paste |
| 18:59.05 | ozgur | what is your problem ? |
| 18:59.12 | ozgur | stew okey, sorry... |
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| 18:59.24 | Thunderguy | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 18:59.35 | ozgur | karatas:~/.gnupg# quotacheck -avugm |
| 18:59.35 | ozgur | quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.user was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings... |
| 18:59.35 | ozgur | quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.group was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings... |
| 18:59.42 | stew | ozgur: stop pasting in here please |
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| 18:59.51 | stew | Thunderguy: then i don't think you got the right partition |
| 18:59.52 | ozgur | what i set //quota.user ? |
| 18:59.56 | kristalino | did anyone here already installed a bind server behind a NAT iptables ? |
| 19:00.07 | stew | kristalino: sure |
| 19:00.25 | Thunderguy | stew: Hang on, I see knoppix doesn't automount till you click it, I thought it was automounted, one sec |
| 19:00.26 | Capkirk | just downloaded the source for lvm through apt-get source now im searching the packages for update-rc.d scripts since i want to know when lvm is started and stoped (i accidently erased the lvm script with update-rc.d remove) |
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| 19:00.37 | novata_peleona | hi.... |
| 19:00.43 | abrotman | hi .. .. |
| 19:00.49 | abrotman | ... --- ... |
| 19:00.51 | Capkirk | but im not able to find anything other that a remove script |
| 19:01.03 | Capkirk | anyone know where i can find this information? |
| 19:01.22 | kristalino | stew, can you send me your config files of dns and of iptables-save ? |
| 19:01.43 | stew | Capkirk: does /etc/init.d/lvm still exist? |
| 19:02.04 | Cae2 | stew, booting from CD seems to dont find the hdd (it gives kernel panig, unable to mount root fs on 08:01 (/dev/sda1)) |
| 19:02.05 | stew | kristalino: no, i can't, i'm no longer using iptables based firewalls, do you have a specific question? |
| 19:02.20 | novata_peleona | is there any way for use ddclient from a pc with a private ip using the public router ip? |
| 19:02.38 | stew | kristalino: note that you must forward udp for dns queries and tcp for server to server communication, if you dont' forward udp people wont' be able to query |
| 19:02.39 | Capkirk | stew: yes |
| 19:02.54 | tuv | stew, is there a non-iptables-based firewall? |
| 19:03.02 | stew | Capkirk: then "update-rc.d lvm defaults" will restuore the symlinks |
| 19:03.05 | novata_peleona | my router does not sincronize as it should, and i loose my ip |
| 19:03.08 | Cae2 | stew, to not bother you, Ill try to reinstall again using lilo instead grub |
| 19:03.09 | stew | tuv: not in linux |
| 19:03.10 | Capkirk | stew: cool thanks |
| 19:03.25 | foo | http://pastebin.ca/75029 - any ideas on this problem? |
| 19:03.54 | Heiko_x92 | guestion about torrent... all gnome versions are working? |
| 19:04.04 | lepton | novata_peleona: if you can determine the public IP at run time, should be possible |
| 19:04.06 | kristalino | stew, yeap i know |
| 19:04.10 | stew | Heiko_x92: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:04.27 | novata_peleona | lepton, thats what i am trying to do :) |
| 19:04.29 | Heiko_x92 | what that means? |
| 19:04.48 | stew | !tell Heiko_x92 about bts |
| 19:04.54 | ozgur | Jan-Nik hello |
| 19:04.58 | Capkirk | hmm pretty odd howcom lvm run on the same time as samba? that dosnt seem logical if samba relies on a logical volume? |
| 19:05.22 | stew | Capkirk: ohhhh |
| 19:05.29 | stew | Capkirk: wait, i probably told you the wrong thing |
| 19:05.36 | Capkirk | stew: :) |
| 19:05.39 | Thunderguy | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2976 |
| 19:06.07 | lepton | novata_peleona: does your router have a status page that ddclient understands? |
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| 19:06.49 | lepton | novata_peleona: have you read /usr/share/doc/ddclient/README.gz ? |
| 19:06.59 | novata_peleona | lepton, nop |
| 19:07.15 | Capkirk | tuv: iptables is not debian specfic its more linux specific its somehting thats build into the linux kernel if you want another firewall try OpenBSD |
| 19:07.16 | novata_peleona | i will |
| 19:07.26 | lepton | good |
| 19:07.42 | stew | Capkirk: on my system its /etc/rcS.d/S26lvm ->L ../init.d/lvm |
| 19:08.15 | Capkirk | stew: yeah thats why im searcing for the correct setup of lvm |
| 19:08.37 | stew | hmm and my other machine that runs lvm doesn't even start the lvm init script |
| 19:08.44 | tuv | Capkirk, i know.. i don't want another firewall, but i got curious when stew said he "doesn't use iptables-based firewalls anymore", what else would he be using? i had the wrong assumption that he is using linux with another firewall |
| 19:08.52 | stew | oh, that's because it runs root off lvm i guess |
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| 19:09.10 | stew | tuv: yeah, i'm running a freebsd based firewall at home these days |
| 19:09.30 | pentium451 | Hrmm... 'apt-get update' says: 'W: GPG error: [snip] public key is not available [snip]' Anyone got a second to help? |
| 19:09.30 | stew | Thunderguy: is your /boot partition separate? |
| 19:09.35 | tuv | stew, dedicated machine? |
| 19:09.50 | stew | pentium451: /msg dpkg 2006 key ; /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 19:09.56 | pentium451 | thanx |
| 19:09.56 | Capkirk | tuv: there are some nice freebsd based firewall dists out there |
| 19:09.59 | Thunderguy | stew: Yes |
| 19:10.13 | stew | tuv: yes, i run m0n0wall of a pentium 133 that boots off a 8mb flashcard |
| 19:10.14 | Capkirk | stew: damn it seems i need to write something myself then :) |
| 19:10.26 | stew | Capkirk: wait, i don't understand your problem maybe |
| 19:10.42 | Capkirk | stew: thats because i havnt told you about my setup :) |
| 19:10.59 | tuv | stew, nice |
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| 19:11.53 | Capkirk | stew: i have ata over ethernet setup which is sliced up using lvm i need to run lvm after network which according to README is S40 but before samba |
| 19:12.02 | Capkirk | well maybe i should just alter the runlevels for samba |
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| 19:12.22 | adna | Anyone experienced with setting up wifi on a sony vaio? |
| 19:12.50 | freeone3000 | How can I get openGL 2.0 with an Nvidia GeForce 5700FX under debian? nvidia-glx isn't cutting it. |
| 19:13.02 | freeone3000 | Even glxgears is painfully slow. |
| 19:14.03 | stew | Thunderguy: here's what i'd recommend: BEFORE you chroot, mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/hda7/dev ; then: chroot /dev/hda7 ; mount /sys ; mount /proc ; apt-get install udev initramfs-tools ; then apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 19:14.31 | novata_peleona | lepton, i did not see nothing about public ip from a router |
| 19:14.33 | stew | Thunderguy: that will update initramfs-tools and udev which are used for creating your initrd, then the --reinstall will create a new initrd |
| 19:14.39 | novata_peleona | lepton, can you help me? |
| 19:14.57 | stew | Thunderguy: oh, wait, you need to mount /boot ; after you mount /proc |
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| 19:15.06 | stew | or at least before you --reinstall |
| 19:15.51 | Thunderguy | stew: So updating anything in /boot with the package manager messed things up? |
| 19:16.15 | stew | Thunderguy: wait, what do you mean? |
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| 19:16.27 | stew | Thunderguy: i don't know how things got messed up, i'm guessing at how to fix things |
| 19:16.31 | Thunderguy | stew: Well I mean it simply cannot detect /dev/hda7 as if it doesn't exist |
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| 19:16.49 | Thunderguy | stew: Alright, well I'll try that I guess and retest, thanks |
| 19:16.58 | stew | Thunderguy: yeah, and the thing that is trying to detect /dev/hda7 is your initrd, i'm telling you how to replace your initrd with a new one |
| 19:18.02 | Thunderguy | stew: That's it, when I'm finished with this, I'm going to get a book on this stuff :P |
| 19:18.26 | lepton | novata_peleona: ddclient -help; look at all the -use arguments. those are routers |
| 19:18.52 | novata_peleona | lepton, let me se it... |
| 19:19.02 | lepton | novata_peleona: there is help forum on sourceforge at http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=399428 |
| 19:19.02 | stew | Thunderguy: books are sooooo 20th century... just read the web and the /usr/sahre/doc :) |
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| 19:20.18 | Thunderguy | mmk |
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| 19:21.46 | xjkx | how do I set my lynx with the trasparence of my terminal? |
| 19:22.01 | pentium451 | stew: thanks for the security pointers |
| 19:22.21 | stew | pentium451: you're welcome |
| 19:22.51 | Thunderguy | stew: Would you believe I installed Gentoo once? by the book, and even after I compiled everything and the system works, I still did not understand anything of what I had done? |
| 19:23.22 | adna | Anyone setup a laptop with the intel ipw3945 driver before? |
| 19:23.48 | stew | Thunderguy: heh :) sure, after hanging out here long enough i'll believe anyone can get themselves into all kinds of messes without having any idea what they are doing :) |
| 19:23.51 | adna | That's the built-in wireless chipset.... |
| 19:24.22 | stew | adna: what does "lspci -n | grep 0280" say? |
| 19:24.26 | foo | http://pastebin.ca/75059 ... I am trying to play this video, which is from http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_3/large.html ... but I can't seem to get it to work. I basically downloaded the web one to my computer and tried to play it and got those problems. Any ideas? |
| 19:24.50 | Thunderguy | stew: Suprisingly I installed Gentoo just peachy, But it was updating Gentoo that I didn't have the patience for compiling everyday and I ended up screwing it over. |
| 19:25.12 | astronaute | can someone tell me how to open,quit,reopen screen plz ? |
| 19:25.26 | astronaute | -X not working |
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| 19:25.50 | Thunderguy | stew: But I was a beta-tester of the GNU C Compiler, so I did my time, probably tested my CPU really good after days of compiling |
| 19:26.06 | stew | astronaute: open "screen" quit "ctrl-a d" reopen "screen -r pid" or "screen -x pid" "screen -ls" will list available pids |
| 19:27.36 | astronaute | thank you very much stew |
| 19:29.36 | shwag | When I do sudo apt-get upgrade; it tells me what packages will be upgraded...but it doesnt tell me any version info about the new packages. |
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| 19:30.04 | astronaute | screen -ls |
| 19:30.07 | astronaute | oops =) |
| 19:30.16 | astronaute | works great |
| 19:30.16 | stew | shwag: "apt-cache policy packagename" will list the version in Candidate: |
| 19:30.19 | adna | stew: 0000:06:00.0 0280: 8086:4222 (rev 02) |
| 19:30.26 | adna | What does that refer to? |
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| 19:31.18 | stew | adna: if you run "grep "8086.*4222" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" it would tell you which (if any) kernel module offered support for it, i was wondering if maybe ipw2200 would claim it |
| 19:31.37 | stew | adna: and it doesn't as of 2.6.16 |
| 19:31.46 | adna | ipw3945 is listed w/ lsmod |
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| 19:32.11 | stew | adna: oh, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:32.31 | novata_peleona | lepton, i got a zyxel, and it is not in that list |
| 19:32.52 | adna | 2.6.15-25-386 (It's Mepis6rc2) |
| 19:33.21 | abrotman | try #mepis |
| 19:33.33 | adna | I did. |
| 19:33.34 | blondie | hi abrot-man |
| 19:33.35 | Thunderguy | Hey I have another question that is completely unrelated to computers, but you guys are very smart, do you put refridgerant in the high pressure or low pressure side of a system? This is a life or death question. |
| 19:33.38 | adna | (am.) |
| 19:33.53 | smacnay | How does one update a tar file archive so that only the changes in the filesystem are reflected in the archive's changes? tar -u file.tar /system/ - seems to make the tar file double in size. |
| 19:34.54 | adna | stew: WifiManager says it's working, I can even see local access points and get an IP via DHCP, |
| 19:35.08 | stew | adna: you should go to #mepis for help with mepis |
| 19:35.22 | adna | ...but I just can't get wifi data. |
| 19:35.46 | adna | Isn't it essentially debian? |
| 19:35.49 | blondie | no |
| 19:35.53 | blondie | debian is debian |
| 19:36.17 | blondie | or, how would we know about another distro? :) |
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| 19:37.09 | novata_peleona | lepton, you know what choice of router instead of my zyxel?? |
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| 19:39.18 | freeone3000 | How can I get openGL 2.0 with an Nvidia GeForce 5700FX under debian? nvidia-glx isn't cutting it. glxgears is painfully slow, an unoptimized app has horrible preformance, and I'm scared to start unreal tournament. What should I use? |
| 19:39.50 | blondie | freeone3000: hide behind a cushion? |
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| 19:42.41 | wols | freeone3000: are you running the nvidia driver? |
| 19:42.50 | freeone3000 | wols: Yep. |
| 19:43.09 | wols | then there is nothing more to do than buying a card that does not suck |
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| 19:44.55 | polishkoop | dumb question: what arguements do I use to extract a .bin file using tar? |
| 19:45.09 | freeone3000 | ...Isn't a .bin a program? |
| 19:45.18 | polishkoop | freeone3000: well i can't seem to open it |
| 19:45.18 | freeone3000 | Or half of a bin/cue? |
| 19:45.20 | wols | none. only .tar files can be extracte |
| 19:45.34 | freeone3000 | Probably a bin/cue then. |
| 19:45.35 | wols | what file is this .bin? what for? |
| 19:45.44 | polishkoop | wols: i've been able toe extrat zip's and bz2's and gz's |
| 19:45.55 | polishkoop | wols: im trying to install java and i downloaded the install and i got a .bin file |
| 19:46.10 | blondie | type "file filename.bin" and it'll say what it is |
| 19:46.21 | wols | don't do that. install a java from some apt repository |
| 19:46.22 | blondie | it could be an executable |
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| 19:46.32 | wols | blondie: not just could. it is |
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| 19:46.35 | blondie | oh, java |
| 19:46.54 | wols | you can install it with "chmod a+x bin-filename;./bin-filename |
| 19:47.01 | wols | but as I said: no good doing it |
| 19:47.05 | polishkoop | wols: yeah i just figured that out. thanks haha |
| 19:47.12 | polishkoop | wols: really? i've done it before and got it working |
| 19:47.22 | wols | !java |
| 19:47.22 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 19:47.41 | freeone3000 | Yeah, but sun-java-1.5sdk on unstable pwns. |
| 19:47.42 | wols | of course it will work, but it's still a very crappy way to install it. dpkg will barf everytime you install a java app |
| 19:47.43 | icebit | hi all |
| 19:48.08 | polishkoop | wols: well im kind of a linux noob, and i don't feel like researching the better way to install it |
| 19:48.15 | freeone3000 | ANd not only barf -- probably install GCJ. |
| 19:48.16 | freeone3000 | Which is the last thing you want. |
| 19:48.25 | freeone3000 | polishkoop: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:48.29 | freeone3000 | polishkoop: That simple. :) |
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| 19:49.10 | wols | polishkoop: whatever you want. go ahead if you like breakage |
| 19:49.35 | polishkoop | so i sould do apt-get install java-package? |
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| 19:50.24 | Itanuk | Can anyone help me with setting up mod_auth_mysql for Apache 2.2.2 on Debian? I've hit a wall here. |
| 19:50.28 | wols | are you reading what people in here write for you? |
| 19:50.30 | novata_peleona | lepton, are you here? |
| 19:51.44 | polishkoop | wols: im not using unstable, im running sarge kernel 2.4 |
| 19:52.00 | Capkirk | stew: hm found another box with lvm and it seems that lvm is set to starte in runlevel 0 as S50 but as S26 in rcS? |
| 19:54.31 | freeone3000 | How can I get openGL 2.0 with an Nvidia GeForce 5700FX under debian? nvidia-glx isn't cutting it. glxgears is painfully slow, an unoptimized app has horrible preformance, and unreal tournament... sucks. What should I use? |
| 19:55.14 | stew | Capkirk: nothing should start in 0, are you sure its not being killed as K50 in 0? |
| 19:55.28 | godmachine81 | freeone3000: have you tried just the "nv" driver? |
| 19:55.43 | freeone3000 | godmachine81: ...No, why? |
| 19:56.12 | godmachine81 | i had a 5200FX and everything worked fine using nv.. not the nvidia or nvidia-glx |
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| 19:56.38 | Capkirk | stew: nope |
| 19:56.52 | Capkirk | stew: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-08-01 13:53 S50lvm -> ../init.d/lvm |
| 19:56.57 | Capkirk | stew: rc0.d |
| 19:56.59 | freeone3000 | godmachine81: Even high-end stuff, like cedega, ut? |
| 19:56.59 | stew | that's just odd |
| 19:57.21 | Capkirk | stew: i forgot what is 0 for? |
| 19:57.57 | Capkirk | stew: ahh halt |
| 19:58.13 | godmachine81 | freeone3000: yes |
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| 19:58.36 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, I'll try that. |
| 19:58.43 | stew | Capkirk: yeah 0 is halt 6 is reboot |
| 19:59.49 | Itanuk | I can't compile it, and if i get a binary of it, apache complains of it being a garbled DSO. |
| 19:59.55 | Itanuk | The apxs compile fails with a lot of errors, 'request for member 'handle' in something not a structure or union' etc |
| 20:00.05 | Itanuk | I have tried the apt-get binary of mod_auth_mysql and one from http://heuer.org/mod_auth_mysql/ |
| 20:00.19 | Itanuk | error: `mysql_conn' undeclared (first use in this function) may be a hint |
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| 20:03.21 | rhys | how do i bring eth0 up but force it to use dhcp? |
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| 20:03.34 | raden | is there a way to ping all address is 192.168.1.0 network ? |
| 20:03.56 | blondie | raden: you can try |
| 20:04.04 | blondie | ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
| 20:04.06 | raden | is there a way to though |
| 20:04.10 | rhys | raden, ping 192.168.0.* ? or 192.168.0.255 |
| 20:04.14 | blondie | but not all hosts will necessarily respond |
| 20:04.21 | freeone3000 | Er, if you didn't get that, I got the same result wiht 'nv' supplied as the answer in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as I do with nvidia |
| 20:04.22 | raden | soo thatll go through all address on our network ? |
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| 20:04.34 | s0n1 | hi |
| 20:04.35 | rhys | 255 is the broadcast adress |
| 20:04.36 | s0n1 | someone use mailwatch here? |
| 20:04.47 | blondie | raden: it'll ping the broadcast |
| 20:04.56 | smacnay | thunder!!! bye |
| 20:05.00 | stew | raden: no, it will ping the broadcast address, linux boxes will usually respond to a broadcast. similarly you can ping the network address (the .0 address) as well |
| 20:05.02 | blondie | otherwise you could use nmap maybe or a for loop |
| 20:05.34 | raden | blondie, how would i go about using nmap |
| 20:05.36 | freeone3000 | Obviously someone didn't subscribe to standards. My box says 192.168.1.225 (my intranet) is unreachable. |
| 20:05.45 | blondie | raden: nmap 192.168.1.* |
| 20:05.53 | raden | im trying to find someone on our network i knwo there on and there not dhcp |
| 20:05.56 | blondie | raden: it'll show open ports too... takes a while though |
| 20:06.04 | raden | blondie a while will work |
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| 20:06.10 | blondie | raden: but if they have a firewall, then pinging may not work |
| 20:06.23 | blondie | i.e. the firewall could just drop the packets and not show up |
| 20:06.34 | blondie | in which case nmap -P0 maybe, but that takes even long :) |
| 20:06.35 | blondie | +er |
| 20:07.04 | klync | anyone know how to correct the deb line on this page? http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/subversion-woody/ |
| 20:07.49 | raden | blondie confirmed how many people on network and only 1 box responded |
| 20:08.05 | blondie | responded to what? |
| 20:08.30 | raden | well not responded i was able to get a nmap on 1 box |
| 20:08.36 | raden | there on .55 |
| 20:09.12 | raden | i guess ill have to configure the router will allow hosts for now |
| 20:11.19 | klync | nm |
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| 20:13.28 | btaranto | hy. where can i get some issues? |
| 20:13.30 | abrotman | klync: for woody? |
| 20:14.19 | rhys | can you upgrade kernels with apt-get? |
| 20:14.30 | klync | abrotman: yeah, as i just wrote to our other sysadmin: so, the .debs at that url were abandoned... i don't know whether it's easier to track down all the deps and compile subversion, or to do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:14.48 | Itanuk | I need apache username/password authentication that calls from a mysql database. |
| 20:14.49 | Itanuk | any ideas? |
| 20:14.59 | abrotman | klync: this is really a woody box? |
| 20:15.04 | klync | abrotman: really |
| 20:15.12 | klync | lol |
| 20:15.15 | Itanuk | a perl module would not accomplish this |
| 20:15.18 | Itanuk | where would I get it? |
| 20:15.28 | abrotman | klync: for the love of god .. WHY? |
| 20:15.29 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:15.32 | vlt | Hello. I ran dpkg-reconfigure postfix multiple times and restartet postfix then, but I can't get rid of "@example.com" in the mail headers and syslog files. I grepped /etc fpr "example.com" but can't find it. What do I have to change to enter my real domain name? |
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| 20:15.52 | brotherJohn1234 | Itanuk: use mod-auth-mysql |
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| 20:16.11 | klync | abrotman: because it's been in production for years, and would require some time and planning before doing a dist-upgrade... if that server went down, even for an hour, we'd be out several hundred man-hours of work |
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| 20:17.28 | Itanuk | brotherjohn: is it for apache 2.2? |
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| 20:18.14 | Itanuk | ? |
| 20:18.29 | blondie | klync: well there'll be no security patches soon, so it might get hacked c.c |
| 20:18.53 | klync | blondie: yeah... good point... it's probably time to dist-upgrade |
| 20:19.39 | abrotman | klync: just so you're aware .. woody security support runs out .. uhm .. tomorrow i think |
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| 20:19.49 | klync | lol ... thx abrotman |
| 20:20.07 | abrotman | i can double check if you really want to know .. but it's either 6/30 or 7/31 |
| 20:20.21 | Itanuk | PLease guys, suggest anything |
| 20:20.39 | klync | abrotman: no, either way... i think that's all i need to know to plan my weekend ;) |
| 20:20.42 | wols | vlt: what is your hostname? |
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| 20:21.17 | wols | vlt: most probably it's /etc/mailname |
| 20:21.20 | abrotman | klync: oh .. fun! |
| 20:21.44 | abrotman | vlt: /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 20:22.26 | wols | oops. thought he looked there already |
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| 20:24.18 | vlt | wols: /etc/mailname has correct entry, will check /etc/postfix/main.cf ... |
| 20:24.28 | sandman | Are there any opensource MMORPG's available in the debian repo? |
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| 20:25.23 | Nemoder | possibly crossfire, not sure if that's considered an MMO though |
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| 20:25.51 | vlt | abrotman: Yes, there was still a wrong entry "myhostname" in /etc/postfix/main.cf". Thank you. |
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| 20:26.16 | abrotman | wols: too obvious .. |
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| 20:31.32 | Itanuk | anyone? |
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| 20:32.53 | Qb3rt | Itanuk |
| 20:32.59 | Itanuk | yes? |
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| 20:33.07 | abrotman | baiter: DON'T DO THAT |
| 20:33.10 | Qb3rt | <Itanuk> anyone? |
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| 20:33.19 | abrotman | Itanuk: mod_auth_mysql ? |
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| 20:33.30 | baiter | HAHA |
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| 20:33.44 | baiter | abrotman, how about asking politely? |
| 20:33.51 | abrotman | baiter: how about not sending DCC ? |
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| 20:34.07 | Itanuk | abrotman: that was the module that wouldnt build |
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| 20:34.12 | baiter | that's better :) |
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| 20:34.18 | baiter | just one more time.. |
| 20:34.27 | abrotman | baiter: STOP DOING THAT |
| 20:34.31 | baiter | sure ok |
| 20:34.44 | abrotman | baiter: do you have a debian question? |
| 20:34.57 | alkalineX | /mode $me +C |
| 20:35.04 | baiter | a what? a lesbian question?? |
| 20:35.07 | alkalineX | will take care of ctcp's |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | troll |
| 20:35.13 | DaBlade | baiter: You're a sad, pathetic little loser. :) |
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| 20:35.14 | baiter | pixie |
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| 20:35.27 | baiter | wait.. you're the sad, pathetic little loser. :) |
| 20:35.28 | alkalineX | whatsup DaBlade |
| 20:35.33 | alkalineX | long time no see :) |
| 20:35.33 | DaBlade | Hey :) |
| 20:35.40 | DaBlade | Not really. A day or two. :P |
| 20:35.40 | Itanuk | abrotman: any idea? |
| 20:35.47 | alkalineX | true true |
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| 20:36.20 | abrotman | Itanuk: isn't that module packaged? |
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| 20:36.33 | abrotman | baiter: don't you have homework to do? |
| 20:36.39 | baiter | YOU'RE A FRICKEN DEBIAN!! |
| 20:36.48 | baiter | no man |
| 20:36.49 | Capkirk | stew: you think i will ruin my system by having the same init.d/script called from rcS.d with 2 diffrent priorities? |
| 20:36.52 | abrotman | right.. troll |
| 20:36.53 | baiter | did all my homeworks |
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| 20:37.00 | baiter | why are you being so hostile? |
| 20:37.03 | Capkirk | stew: like S26lvm and S41lvm ? |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | because you're an ass |
| 20:37.10 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 20:37.13 | baiter | me, an ass? |
| 20:37.17 | baiter | that#s rather opinionated |
| 20:37.24 | baiter | if you ask me.. I think you're rud |
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| 20:37.36 | bgat | anyone know where I could get a .deb for qt/embedded-3.3.4? |
| 20:37.39 | Itanuk | abrotman: it doesn't come with apache, no - but it does have a package with debian, doesnt load. |
| 20:37.42 | Qb3rt | baiter: get the fuck out of here if u dont have any debian question |
| 20:37.43 | Capkirk | will ruin my system by having the same init.d/script called from rcS.d with 2 diffrent priorities? |
| 20:37.52 | Capkirk | like S26lvm and S41lvm ? |
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| 20:38.04 | DaBlade | baiter: Don't you realize that there are enough people to hate in the world already without you working so hard to give us another? |
| 20:38.06 | abrotman | Itanuk: apt-cache search mod apache mysql |
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| 20:38.31 | Qb3rt | apt-get remove baiter |
| 20:38.37 | Qb3rt | :P |
| 20:38.41 | baiter | hey |
| 20:38.46 | baiter | i don't care |
| 20:38.55 | baiter | trolls do not have emotions |
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| 20:39.29 | cusco_ | --purge |
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| 20:39.42 | baiter | go to undernet it's more fun |
| 20:39.48 | cusco_ | yes |
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| 20:39.54 | cusco_ | what are you doing here, then? |
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| 20:39.56 | Itanuk | abrotman: Indeed. The module does not load into apache. |
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| 20:40.03 | DaBlade | baiter: You remind me of opium. A slow working dope. :) |
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| 20:40.38 | Itanuk | abrotman: Indeed. The module does not load into apache. |
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| 20:40.46 | Itanuk | But now with my downgraded apache it seems to have loaded successfully. |
| 20:40.48 | wols | is there another attack on the network? |
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| 20:40.56 | DaBlade | baiter: But don't worry. Brains aren't everything (or in your case, anything). |
| 20:40.56 | ru | Hi guys |
| 20:40.56 | baiter | hmm |
| 20:41.03 | abrotman | ran out of bots? |
| 20:41.05 | DaBlade | wols: Yup. |
| 20:41.12 | abrotman | wols: it's baiter IMO |
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| 20:41.17 | baiter | i'm being insulted by geeks who have never met me nor know a single thing about me |
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| 20:41.25 | ru | My left speaker in my notebook makes a crackling, it seems to come and go though |
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| 20:41.28 | baiter | ooh, it must be the troll |
| 20:41.31 | ru | I honestly dont know where to start |
| 20:41.35 | ru | I am using ALSA |
| 20:41.39 | alkalineX | /mode <yournick> +C |
| 20:41.48 | alkalineX | to stop the harrassing DCC's |
| 20:41.49 | dabreegster | ru: Sounds like a hardware issue. Is it on certain songs? |
| 20:41.52 | DaBlade | baiter: Thank goodness I never met you. :) |
| 20:41.59 | DaBlade | baiter: I would probably puke all over you. |
| 20:42.04 | wols | DaBlade: don't feed him |
| 20:42.05 | abrotman | alkalineX: /quit messages |
| 20:42.15 | baiter | are you trying to hurt my feelings? |
| 20:42.18 | Itanuk | abrot: any idea why? |
| 20:42.24 | baiter | well.. |
| 20:42.25 | DaBlade | baiter: Something like that. |
| 20:42.26 | baiter | IVE HAD SEX |
| 20:42.28 | baiter | i win |
| 20:42.29 | alkalineX | abrotman : hahaha stfu |
| 20:42.35 | DaBlade | baiter: I'm underage. :) |
| 20:42.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:42.56 | wols | DaBlade: please stop or he will never go away |
| 20:42.56 | abrotman | Itanuk: if it doesn't load .. check the bts .. i've never used it .. |
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| 20:43.03 | abrotman | wols: you could call ops? |
| 20:43.03 | DaBlade | wols: Will do. |
| 20:43.07 | baiter | yes, please stop or i'll never go away |
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| 20:43.34 | ru | dabreegster: No Its on everything |
| 20:43.41 | ru | dabreegster: but some days it isnt there |
| 20:43.59 | ru | dabreegster: if i put on headphones it is still on the headphones left phone |
| 20:44.03 | dabreegster | ru: Sounds like a hardware thing. Try adjusting mixer volumes/panning I guess. |
| 20:44.25 | baiter | DaBlade, just because you're underage.. you think you're safe.. |
| 20:44.27 | dabreegster | ru: Soundcard issue perhaps. Hmm. Or software. I dunno what could cause that though. |
| 20:44.33 | baiter | but YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET LAID |
| 20:44.38 | baiter | NEVER |
| 20:45.14 | Qb3rt | this is a nice feature!!! /ignore baiter |
| 20:45.15 | DaBlade | Somehow, I find it difficult to take a braindead troll's word for it. :) |
| 20:45.21 | baiter | you're going to masturbate until your genitils are a bloody mess slightly resembling a half chewed sexual organ |
| 20:45.34 | sussudio_ | some fucktard tried a dcc exploit on me |
| 20:45.42 | baiter | ooh, fucktard? |
| 20:45.45 | baiter | that's a nice word :) |
| 20:45.45 | DaBlade | sussudio_: Baiter. |
| 20:45.50 | baiter | wasn't me |
| 20:45.52 | wols | sussudio_: even if you disagree. you're not special |
| 20:46.13 | wols | looks like another network attack |
| 20:46.14 | freeone3000 | And of course he would use a hotmask. |
| 20:46.24 | sussudio_ | where's the ops? |
| 20:46.31 | abrotman | !ops baiter seems to be trolling (and possibly controlling the DCC bots) |
| 20:46.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: abrotman complains about: baiter seems to be trolling (and possibly controlling the DCC bots) |
| 20:46.50 | baiter | hey hey, none of the above is true |
| 20:46.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=esfge@baitinhca.net] by RichiH |
| 20:46.51 | *** kick/#debian [baiter!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] by RichiH (RichiH) |
| 20:47.01 | freeone3000 | Hey, trolling is fun. |
| 20:47.13 | abrotman | RichiH: thank you very much |
| 20:47.18 | RichiH | de nada |
| 20:48.03 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.20 | abrotman | RichiH: can you also tell me why thunderbird can't create subfolders in a shared maildir? :) |
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| 20:48.42 | RichiH | abrotman: uh.. no? |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:49.02 | wols | abrotman: on a imap server? |
| 20:49.06 | abrotman | wols: yeah |
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| 20:49.14 | abrotman | wols: using courier-imap |
| 20:49.19 | abrotman | the shared folders work |
| 20:49.31 | HedgeMage | ack! |
| 20:49.36 | wols | no clue then. courier is icky, long live cyrus :) |
| 20:49.37 | abrotman | wols: but i can't create a subfolder within the shared folder |
| 20:49.52 | abrotman | wols: i may end up going to that .. but i'm not sure that's the problem |
| 20:50.00 | abrotman | (though .. Horde/IMP can't see the shared folders .. grrr) |
| 20:50.04 | wols | perms wit the filesystem folder perhaps? |
| 20:50.38 | abrotman | nope .. tried a chmod |
| 20:50.40 | Thunderguy | Anyone know about Gparted? when I partitioned my drive with it I just realized it overlapped 2 partitions |
| 20:50.42 | wols | what does courier use for access control of folders anyways? |
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| 20:51.07 | infernix | courier? standard unix user/groups and rights |
| 20:51.44 | cyzie | how do we know the throughtput of writing speed and amount of data being write in the hdd? from the "bar"(forget the exact word) to the disk? |
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| 20:52.50 | roxy_ | How can I test the sound ? |
| 20:52.56 | infernix | and i dont think courier supports making folders in shared folders. never worked for me at least, not in thunderbird nor any of the MS imap clients |
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| 20:53.38 | cinix | What would cause my printer drivers not to appear in gnome-cups-manager? I believe I have all the neccesary foomatic packages, but the manufacturer list is empty. |
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| 20:54.12 | roxy_ | cinix: what printer ? |
| 20:54.19 | abrotman | wols: yeah .. unix permissions .. i may have to take a stab at cyrus .. |
| 20:54.20 | cinix | roxy_, lexmark |
| 20:54.51 | abrotman | wols: but that means you get to be my personal help system :) |
| 20:55.06 | infernix | cyrus is much better but is harder to manage |
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| 20:55.17 | abrotman | well .. hpoefully it will just be the initial setup |
| 20:55.27 | infernix | i do believe its faster |
| 20:55.39 | abrotman | it'd be fantastic if dovecot in sarge supported shared maildir |
| 20:55.57 | roxy_ | cinix: which one ? |
| 20:56.34 | cinix | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-Optra_E310 |
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| 20:56.46 | cinix | It's not showing anything in the list though. |
| 20:56.47 | xomhauvtt | hi all |
| 20:56.58 | infernix | well, for any company with complex rights on shared mail folders, cyrus = win. all other cases i stick with courier |
| 20:57.02 | xomhauvtt | what plugin for playing .wma with xmms? |
| 20:57.08 | infernix | s/company/situation/ |
| 20:57.11 | cinix | Like the list where you choose between all the different drivers, as if it's in a wrong path or I'm missing a package. |
| 20:57.42 | abrotman | infernix: it's not complex .. i need one or two shared folders .. and the ability to create subdirs |
| 20:58.16 | roxy_ | cinix: can't you just select postscript ? |
| 20:58.22 | infernix | abrotman: well making that is pretty easy in courier, really. but you can't make the shared folders in the client, thats commandline work. no problem inside your INBOX. scope but not in the shared part |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman | infernix: the shared foldre is there .. i can't make a subdir of the shared folder .. that's the problem |
| 20:58.55 | cinix | roxy_, not that I can see, doesn't let me choose anything. |
| 20:59.08 | abrotman | if it's possible in cyrus .. i'll go that route i guess |
| 20:59.22 | roxy_ | cinix: what about localhost:631 ? |
| 20:59.51 | wols | abrotman: setup got a lot better over the years |
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| 20:59.55 | stoned | abrotman, can I bother with something personal? |
| 20:59.59 | stoned | in private? |
| 21:00.07 | abrotman | wols: i need the ability to create subdirs in a shared folder .. don't really care how :) |
| 21:00.10 | abrotman | stoned: sure |
| 21:00.11 | infernix | abrotman: you can never create more shared folders from the *mail client* with courier, that has to be done ocmmandline. but if you know which ones you need, and you need, say, a shared folder called Familymail and create, say, Images, Chainletters, Spam in those, then you cna do that commandline and you're done. |
| 21:00.13 | stoned | thanks mate |
| 21:00.28 | cinix | roxy_, I'll try that. |
| 21:00.37 | infernix | abrotman: so if you need that freedom in the mailclient go cyrus. |
| 21:00.40 | abrotman | infernix: they need free ability to create subdirs as they see fit |
| 21:00.57 | infernix | and even then i am not sure totally, cyrus's right management is another ballpark in itself |
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| 21:01.10 | abrotman | infernix: i'm not sure that's good or bad :) |
| 21:01.36 | infernix | abrotman: lets just say it took me a day of fiddling to get the hang of it, a few years back. |
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| 21:01.51 | Skarmeth | hi, there is a good tool for managing cyrus imap user/mailbox/acl ? I have a server that is becoming bigger |
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| 21:02.05 | infernix | abrotman: but i know of no other alternative than cyrus. |
| 21:02.08 | wols | cyrus uses ACLs for folders. so if you're the owner and make it share it should work I'd say |
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| 21:02.19 | infernix | Skarmeth: there are some webbased tools, google around. maybe check freshmeat.net. |
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| 21:02.56 | abrotman | wols: that's the thing .. it's no single owner .. think of it like your family maildir for forward/crap mail .. but you want subcategories like jokes/chainletters/409s |
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| 21:03.50 | infernix | abrotman: my advice is to go for courier and hand-make the shared dirs when the need arises, as i cant imagine that those folders will change alot |
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| 21:07.34 | Cae2 | stew / wols, want to know what was the problem? the /dev/sda1 wasnt set with bootable flag on fdisk |
| 21:07.34 | Cae2 | :/ |
| 21:07.41 | Cae2 | unbelievable |
| 21:07.42 | Cae2 | hehe |
| 21:07.45 | roxy_ | infernix: a bit old I think. It is good but more as a getting started manual. |
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| 21:08.34 | infernix | roxy_: books always lag :) |
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| 21:09.03 | infernix | roxy_: but theres a good list of links on the Books section at debian.org, including the survival guide (dated june 13th) |
| 21:09.07 | wols | abrotman: as I said, not anymore compared to former times :) |
| 21:09.11 | smithcorona | are there any mailing list robots that run on the client side? |
| 21:09.23 | wols | however it being for work, cyradm could be a hassle. and maybe even your user authentication |
| 21:09.24 | abrotman | wols: if it's better than sendmail . how bad can it be .. |
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| 21:09.30 | smithcorona | like somthing that checks an email address, and then remails to a list? |
| 21:09.34 | abrotman | wols: you're not supposed to tell me that! |
| 21:09.36 | wols | interesting comparison |
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| 21:09.40 | ktwilight | where do i find debuild? |
| 21:09.56 | wols | on the bright side: cyrus doesn't have a turing complete macro language for its config files. always something |
| 21:09.57 | abrotman | wols: wtf is cyradm for ? |
| 21:10.02 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 21:10.04 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:10.04 | wols | adminning it :) |
| 21:10.14 | wols | you can add users, change permissions and the like |
| 21:10.16 | infernix | abrotman: cyradmin is the rights management interface. its also used to create maildirs etc. |
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| 21:10.36 | abrotman | can't i just use vi?! |
| 21:10.42 | wols | no |
| 21:10.45 | infernix | abrotman: imagine a mailsystem which is kind of outside the unix system scope. thats cyrus |
| 21:10.45 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 21:10.53 | abrotman | infernix: like exchange? :) |
| 21:11.01 | wols | not THAT bad! |
| 21:11.03 | roxy_ | infernix: you mean manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/ ? I can't find a survival guide . |
| 21:11.16 | abrotman | i'll have to mess with it .. |
| 21:11.21 | infernix | abrotman: the alienation from the unix principles is comparable, yes |
| 21:11.23 | infernix | roxy_: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/books |
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| 21:11.25 | wols | unlike exchange, cyrus is usable. it's a bitch but usable |
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| 21:11.30 | RnBMasterX | hallo |
| 21:11.30 | ktwilight | ahso, it's in devscripts |
| 21:11.39 | abrotman | we shall see .. perhaps tomorrow ... |
| 21:11.39 | RnBMasterX | german here? |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | !de |
| 21:11.42 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.freenode.net und irc.oftc.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on freenode and irc.oftc.net) |
| 21:11.44 | infernix | nein |
| 21:11.57 | stoned | cool distro name |
| 21:11.58 | stoned | Infernix |
| 21:12.07 | stoned | lol, satanic linux distro, for satanists |
| 21:12.08 | stoned | muuahahaha |
| 21:12.39 | stoned | a linux distro geared towards the worship of our infernal lord, and I need to shut up this is a lame joke now |
| 21:12.40 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:12.43 | RnBMasterX | i have a problem with my janaproxy and debian |
| 21:12.45 | dabreegster | Demonix |
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| 21:13.00 | freeone3000 | Does anyone have issues with sbcl and debian? |
| 21:13.08 | roxy_ | infernix: thanks |
| 21:13.11 | RnBMasterX | i want use my internet connection about debian |
| 21:13.36 | wols | then set the janaproxy IP in the proxy settings for your app |
| 21:13.58 | wols | but you really should ditch that jana stuff imho |
| 21:14.04 | roxy_ | infernix: and a all section on sound, that is exactly what I was looking for :-) |
| 21:14.08 | infernix | stoned: technically we're already in infernis, but lets not go there. but on topic, there used to be an initiative for a distro with that name, few years back. |
| 21:14.25 | RnBMasterX | my janaproxy is on on my windows pc |
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| 21:14.38 | wols | I know, cause it's a windows program. it still sucks |
| 21:14.49 | wols | heck, ICS is better and that's saying something :) |
| 21:14.52 | RnBMasterX | i must write the proxy ip in a file under debian |
| 21:15.07 | RnBMasterX | in which file i must write the proxy ip with the port? |
| 21:15.09 | wols | depends what program you want to use under debian to access the net |
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| 21:15.28 | wols | the proxy setting is a per app setting. not systemwide |
| 21:15.50 | infernix | there's shell variabls |
| 21:16.00 | infernix | set http_proxy=ip:port |
| 21:16.16 | infernix | same for ftp_proxy |
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| 21:16.16 | aliasnexus0 | anyone mind helping me real quick with a ssh problem? |
| 21:16.57 | philips | aliasnexus0: just ask and see |
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| 21:17.19 | ramiroec | i have this error message, and i cant make my pci network card work: |
| 21:17.25 | ramiroec | No IRQ know for interrupt pin A of device please try using pci=biosirq |
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| 21:17.30 | ramiroec | the card works fine on windows, and the same machine |
| 21:17.36 | Darkalia | hi all |
| 21:17.36 | aliasnexus0 | i'm setting up public key auth but for some reason i still have keyboard interactive capabilities when PasswordAuthentication is set to "no" in both ssh conf files |
| 21:18.05 | infernix | ramiroec: go to your bios and turn off the setting that says "OS supports PnP" so that the BIOS assigns irqs |
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| 21:19.38 | infernix | ramiroec: if that doesnt work, boot the kernel with that option. if you're installing debian, enter pci=biosirq after linux24 or linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 21:20.47 | infernix | aliasnexus0: remember there's ssh_config and sshd_config, but maybe you should check /etc/pam.d/ssh |
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| 21:20.48 | threw | hi all ! |
| 21:20.48 | aliasnexus0 | infernix, that is probably it, this pam stuff is new to me |
| 21:21.59 | aliasnexus0 | ssh_config doesn't really need to be messed with does it? |
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| 21:22.24 | infernix | aliasnexus0: sshd has precedence over whatever client-side setting you have, so in theory no |
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| 21:22.32 | aliasnexus0 | alright |
| 21:22.33 | ramiroec | infernix : i tried that, but dont work :( |
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| 21:22.49 | ramiroec | infernix : the computer hang with that |
| 21:23.00 | infernix | ramiroec: both with 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:23.13 | ramiroec | only 2.4 |
| 21:23.19 | ramiroec | i have only that |
| 21:23.28 | infernix | ramiroec: well try 2.6? are you installing debian sarge? |
| 21:23.50 | aliasnexus0 | is the PAM stuff neccessary? |
| 21:23.53 | ramiroec | infernix : i think is a "irq-problem" |
| 21:23.58 | infernix | aliasnexus0: required. |
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| 21:24.23 | aliasnexus0 | if i turn it off in the sshd_config file everything works how i want it to |
| 21:24.37 | aliasnexus0 | though i'm sure its there for security reason |
| 21:24.39 | aliasnexus0 | reasons* |
| 21:24.42 | infernix | ramiroec: your card isnt getting an IRQ and windowze does this automagically for you. so either you need to have your bios assign it or you need to boot a kernel that can handle your (probably crappy) chipset |
| 21:24.43 | ramiroec | infernix : im not installing debian sarge, i have a debian machine, and i want to get work a network card |
| 21:25.02 | infernix | ramiroec: tried putting it in a different slot? |
| 21:25.20 | ramiroec | infernix : yes, i think so, is a old Pentium 100 Mhz |
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| 21:26.25 | ramiroec | infernix : the computer have 2 PCI modules, and i have 2 network card equal, and only 1 can work at same time... its a irq problem |
| 21:26.25 | infernix | ramiroec: i'd try 2.6 and swapping the card around. also disable printer ports and COM ports in the bios if you dont use them, and then reset configuration data. but im not even sure if that bios supports all that |
| 21:26.53 | infernix | ramiroec: well if thats the case, and those slots always share irqs, try different network cards or throw the pc out the window |
| 21:27.46 | ramiroec | infernix : the bios support that thinks, i will tray that now |
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| 21:28.20 | m0dY | is there any way to do an exclude list in apt-get ? |
| 21:28.42 | infernix | m0dY: you want to prevent apt-get from installing certain packages? |
| 21:28.57 | m0dY | yeah |
| 21:29.00 | infernix | !pinning |
| 21:29.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 21:29.02 | m0dY | exactly |
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| 21:29.59 | itchi | Maulkin: I not know if you have been report that trouble about fgfs. I will not borrow you, but just want an confirmation, or i send it, so there's finaly an contrib on my name :-) |
| 21:30.01 | ChrisW | !paste |
| 21:30.01 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:30.28 | m0dY | okay |
| 21:31.36 | ChrisW | Hi, I've got a shell script which seems to terminate before the end and I don't understand why... The script is at http://paste.debian.net/8305 ,and it terminates just before the "echo post unpacked" line... |
| 21:31.44 | itchi | Maulkin: But's it's not needed to use my name, as long i help in one of another way, that's already good enought at my eyes ;-) it's does matter, i'm not of that guy of "i did it", just that i want that the job are been _good_ done here ;-) |
| 21:31.45 | ChrisW | what does "exec" do and could it be the cause? |
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| 21:32.25 | Vaylor | hi all |
| 21:32.27 | infernix | ChrisW: exec makes the process that it EXECs the main process, consequentially closing the process after the EXECd process has finished. |
| 21:32.38 | ChrisW | ah |
| 21:32.41 | infernix | ChrisW: so, dont exec. |
| 21:32.49 | ChrisW | okay, why would this be done in a script? |
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| 21:33.05 | ChrisW | (I duplicated the last line 'cos I have two storages I want to back up) |
| 21:33.23 | infernix | ChrisW: in a (ba)sh script, no idea. multiple exec lines make no sense to me |
| 21:33.23 | ChrisW | I'm wary of taking out the exec without know why it was there in the first place :-/ |
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| 21:33.51 | novata_peleona__ | anyone has used ddclient for upgrade public ip from a zyxel router?? |
| 21:34.12 | infernix | ChrisW: if you want you can leave the 2nd exec, e.g. the last one |
| 21:34.14 | ChrisW | infernix: well, the original only had one exec... any ideas why the exec would be there? |
| 21:34.26 | novata_peleona__ | ddclient list router does not appear zyxel model |
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| 21:34.38 | ChrisW | I'm just trying to figure out why there was an exec there in the first place :-S |
| 21:34.49 | infernix | ChrisW: yeah if theres just one command ran, it makes sense to replace the shell with it. |
| 21:35.19 | justin420 | hi all. anybody know if the linksys wpc54gx version 2 ( laptop wireless card ) is able to be used on linux? i tried using it on the knoppix live cd, and it did not recognize it. |
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| 21:35.33 | infernix | ChrisW: if the executing app checks for any return values, what you want might lead into problems, otherwise drop the exec and be happy |
| 21:35.56 | ChrisW | I'm dropping the exec and hoping for the best ;-) |
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| 21:37.51 | stoned | justin420, are you using debian or knoppix? |
| 21:37.57 | meriad | anyone here heard of hushmail? |
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| 21:38.32 | Edgardoweb | wazzza |
| 21:38.41 | justin420 | stoned: I used the knoppix live cd that came with the debian bible book, but if the card will work with linux than I will be using debian sarge |
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| 21:38.58 | polishkoop | I'm having trouble getting ndiswrapper to load up my windows |
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| 21:39.20 | stoned | eh, that goddamn peer |
| 21:39.26 | abrotman | wols: confusing is damn right |
| 21:39.34 | infernix | hushmail, aint that some webmail thing |
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| 21:39.54 | infernix | abrotman: try more beer |
| 21:40.01 | abrotman | infernix: in a few :) |
| 21:40.03 | stoned | he doesn't work drunk |
| 21:40.08 | stoned | hes about to get off work too |
| 21:40.09 | stoned | heh |
| 21:40.14 | Led_Zeppelin | Anyone here do a PXE install before? I need some help settig it up. |
| 21:40.16 | stoned | soon I will have to work |
| 21:40.20 | stoned | god I hate working |
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| 21:40.26 | infernix | i can work in all states of mind. some work better than others tho |
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| 21:41.08 | infernix | especially now i have putty on my mobile phone. i can fix server problems while bungeejumping now |
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| 21:41.33 | cusco | putty on cell phone? |
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| 21:41.45 | infernix | theres a symbian version of putty, yea |
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| 21:41.51 | cusco | lol ok |
| 21:42.09 | infernix | it works surprisingly well on my nokia n91 |
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| 21:42.55 | justin420 | stoned: I have a little space left to repartition for a linux partition on my winblows laptop ( sony vaio pcg-frv28 ) which i am thinking about making a linux partition, I just dont want to screw up my windows on this laptop as I do not have a windows xp home cd to use if I mess things up grub. I think I may have better luck using a linux partition instead of using a live cd; getting my wireless card to work. |
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| 21:43.40 | Thunderguy | I was using Gparted and it did all my partitioning, then I installed Debian, and now Debian doesn't boot and I found out why, 2 partitions are overlapping eachother, but the only program (fdisk) that found that problem doesn't offer a solution to fixing it, any suggestions? |
| 21:43.45 | stoned | justin420, I don't know if I can be of anyhelp, I am busy right now myself |
| 21:43.55 | stoned | got my own problems to deal with |
| 21:43.57 | stoned | :( |
| 21:44.12 | justin420 | stoned: thats cool, i understand. wish i was stoned right now :) |
| 21:44.16 | infernix | Thunderguy: overlapping partitions = nightmare, if one filesystem wrote inside the scope of another you better start backing up |
| 21:44.18 | itchi | Less, experience (and long time ago) with gnome, i give it again an try, it's now a week i use it, nice nice nice. How can i change that the apps at the bottom are not regroup when there's not many space ? |
| 21:44.47 | Thunderguy | infernix: I remember a program called partition magic could fix this, but I just don't have that program anymore =/ |
| 21:45.19 | Thunderguy | infernix: Everytime I write with gparted, I get the same problem, any advice? |
| 21:45.23 | itchi | I need to tell that i not know how we call that thing at the bottom, that's the realy trouble i think (the menu bar ??) |
| 21:45.42 | ktwilight | itchi, taskbar? |
| 21:45.44 | stoned | I am using abiword, and I have also install abiword-plugins package, and I use KDE on debian sid, and the problem is that thesaurs,grammer plugins work, but spell check in abiword is still greyd out. How can I make abiword do a spell check, what do I need to install? |
| 21:45.59 | stoned | abrotman, you're a gnomer, do you know? |
| 21:46.03 | abrotman | yep |
| 21:46.06 | itchi | ktwilight: eeeuhmm, i not know :-/ I look to, i think your right ;-) |
| 21:46.15 | stoned | cool, what do I need to install |
| 21:46.16 | abrotman | stoned: probably need to install ispell or aspell |
| 21:46.19 | stoned | ah ok |
| 21:46.29 | ktwilight | :) |
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| 21:48.25 | stoned | abrotman, I installed aspell, and ispell is already installed. I restarted abiword and still the option is greyd out |
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| 21:49.12 | infernix | stoned: install wordlists? wenglish? |
| 21:50.06 | Maulkin | itchi: The problem with fgfs is that it *needs* to be statically compiled, but the maintainer doesn't want to do it lik ethat, and our constitution garuntees a maintainer's right to make their own technical decisions. The olny other options I'm not willing to take. |
| 21:50.30 | stoned | infernix, wenglish is not there, and wordlists only shows estonian/russian packages |
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| 21:50.47 | infernix | wamerican? wbritish? |
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| 21:51.08 | abrotman | stoned: check the Help in abiword. .. i think it tells you how |
| 21:51.09 | infernix | ienglish/american/british? |
| 21:51.22 | itchi | Maulkin: aaai, caramba ... I hope it would not be ejected out of the repo :-? |
| 21:51.29 | abrotman | stoned: or it says it doesn't work at all .. i can't remember darn it :) |
| 21:51.41 | stoned | heh |
| 21:52.04 | itchi | Maulkin: In other words, what can we do ? |
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| 21:53.12 | RnBMasterX | i cant refresh my apt-lists ? can anyone help? |
| 21:53.35 | stoned | this is retarded, spell check works in kde apps |
| 21:53.41 | Maulkin | itchi: Nothing. Keep finding bugs, keep repoting them (preferably with patches) and that's about it |
| 21:53.45 | stoned | fuck it, i'll just use kword to do my spell check |
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| 21:54.01 | Maulkin | itchi: Well, I can do somethign about it (ie: take it to ctte), but I won't. |
| 21:54.12 | raf256` | RnBMasterX: refresh? |
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| 21:54.43 | RnBMasterX | i go about my janaproxy into the internet |
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| 21:55.01 | RnBMasterX | but when i will apt-get update or upgrade |
| 21:55.26 | RnBMasterX | all 0% |
| 21:55.29 | RnBMasterX | .. |
| 21:55.43 | infernix | RnBMasterX: what does "echo $http_proxy" do? |
| 21:55.43 | axolx | hey guys. is there a way to find out exactly what kind of ram i've got using software? i need to know whether its ddr ddr2 , 2700, 3200, etc? |
| 21:56.01 | RnBMasterX | 192.168.0.2 |
| 21:56.09 | RnBMasterX | my address from janaproxy |
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| 21:56.10 | axolx | i looked in /proc but could not find much info beyond how much ram i've got installed |
| 21:56.10 | infernix | axolx: i know about MBM5 plugins that can do that, but thats windows software. |
| 21:56.28 | axolx | infernix: dont have a windows machine at home. |
| 21:56.33 | infernix | RnBMasterX: you forgot the port. set http_proxy=192.168.0.2:8080 where 8080 should be the correct pot |
| 21:56.35 | RnBMasterX | and wget http://www.google.de:8080 say connected |
| 21:56.36 | infernix | *port |
| 21:56.45 | RnBMasterX | port is correct |
| 21:57.05 | infernix | RnBMasterX: can you wget http://www.debian.org/ ? |
| 21:57.06 | itchi | Maulkin: Ok, i try to learn a bit of it. Like i use it and suggest others to use, i hope ... What mean ccte? Council on Technology Teacher Education ?? |
| 21:57.24 | RnBMasterX | i habe installed debian 3.1 minimal 108mb without gui |
| 21:57.45 | RnBMasterX | yes |
| 21:57.46 | Maulkin | itchi: Technical Committee. |
| 21:57.47 | itchi | Maulkin: Techinical comitee ? |
| 21:57.49 | itchi | hehe |
| 21:57.59 | infernix | RnBMasterX: if you have ftp sites in your /etc/apt/sources.list you need to also set ftp_proxy=192.168.0.2:8080 |
| 21:58.06 | amphi | axolx: hwinfo might tell you |
| 21:58.13 | itchi | Maulkin: My firefox hangs just here ... |
| 21:58.15 | infernix | RnBMasterX: if ftp doesnt work try http, or the way around |
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| 21:58.22 | RnBMasterX | this write in the shell? |
| 21:58.37 | Maulkin | itchi: I'm going to ask a few of their member off list about their opinions, but I'm not happy doing it officially |
| 21:58.48 | abrotman | make that THREE |
| 21:58.49 | infernix | RnBMasterX: the "set ftp_proxy" or "set http_proxy" is shell commands yes |
| 21:58.52 | itchi | Maulkin: Why ? |
| 21:59.05 | RnBMasterX | mom |
| 21:59.07 | itchi | Maulkin: I not know many about ctte :-/ |
| 21:59.21 | Maulkin | itchi: It's not something I'm happy doing yet. |
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| 21:59.46 | abrotman | wols: ok .. i'm going to guess you meant cyrus2 is nice .. because cyrus1 is poo |
| 21:59.49 | itchi | Maulkin: Ok, and that report, is it already send? Or do i pusch the send button ? |
| 21:59.51 | sandman | It amazes me the kind of discussion that occurs here, now. I always thought it was a clean and productive place to go, but now we have people talking about "dope", "opium", lesians. I guess I'll just have to get comfortable with the deterioration of all things. |
| 22:00.04 | itchi | Maulkin: Like im |
| 22:00.04 | Maulkin | itchi: Send it as a high priority |
| 22:00.10 | itchi | Maulkin: Ok ;-) |
| 22:00.16 | Maulkin | (as in RC) |
| 22:00.21 | RnBMasterX | ok i had set this |
| 22:00.32 | infernix | abrotman: i have a cyrus 1.5.x setup somewhere ;) |
| 22:00.43 | azeem | sandman: well, ask those people to take off-topic discussions elsewhere |
| 22:00.46 | abrotman | infernix: i need to make postfix use the cyrus mail thingie .. that's crap:) |
| 22:00.53 | RnBMasterX | but when i m write apt-get update then: paketlisten werden gelesen fertig |
| 22:01.04 | infernix | abrotman: *shrug* - i'm a sendmail guy :) |
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| 22:01.12 | RnBMasterX | i will installed and update lynx |
| 22:01.13 | abrotman | infernix: i used to be .. til i found postfix |
| 22:02.18 | infernix | sandman: where did you read that so i can scroll up? :) |
| 22:02.41 | stoned | "... I guess I'll just have to get comfortable with the deterioration of all things." <-- Are you talking about Entropy, yeah, might want to get used to it. About #debian in this context, I do not think it is any less of a channel that it has ever been. If you do not want offtopic discussions, do your part and ask people to take them elsewhere |
| 22:02.48 | abrotman | sandman: that guy wsa a troll |
| 22:02.56 | stoned | than* |
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| 22:03.08 | abrotman | part of that thing anyways |
| 22:03.14 | Gnurdux | how do you get apt-get to output its preferences again? |
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| 22:03.21 | sandman | abrotman: I suppose. It's just disturbing. |
| 22:03.37 | azeem | sandman: we can't moderate every line |
| 22:03.45 | RnBMasterX | ? |
| 22:03.47 | sandman | I know. I don't blame anybody. |
| 22:03.49 | abrotman | sandman: it's IRC .. things happen .. don't take it personally .. if you're here for help .. just get the help you need and ignore the noise |
| 22:03.52 | sandman | It's not a problem. |
| 22:04.01 | RnBMasterX | what i must do? |
| 22:04.01 | stoned | what abrotman said |
| 22:05.22 | infernix | RnBMasterX: edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:pass@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:port/"; |
| 22:05.31 | infernix | RnBMasterX: and for ftp: Acquire::ftp::Proxy "http://user:pass@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:port/"; |
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| 22:05.51 | RnBMasterX | ok but the jana proxy is open for all users :D |
| 22:06.04 | infernix | RnBMasterX: user:pass@ is probably optional |
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| 22:06.11 | RnBMasterX | ok |
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| 22:06.29 | xst | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.40 | infernix | xst: that command should do just that. maybe you need to --force it or something, try dpkg-reconfigure --help for such a parameter |
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| 22:09.07 | xst | infernix: Strange. On my sarge it work just fine. It shows me the selection list and then regenerates the locales after I press ok. How can I then modify the locales list? |
| 22:09.29 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:09.54 | infernix | xst: perhaps use --priority=low |
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| 22:10.08 | abrotman | -plow ? |
| 22:10.11 | infernix | yep |
| 22:10.32 | abrotman | i was just using the short version :) |
| 22:10.50 | xst | Tried that but same result. :-( |
| 22:11.10 | infernix | lol |
| 22:11.13 | infernix | !beer abrotman |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:11.22 | dpkg | somebody said buckabeer was time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 22:11.58 | abrotman | !sing asg |
| 22:11.59 | dpkg | boom o~/ |
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| 22:12.04 | abrotman | eh .. what was it |
| 22:12.13 | abrotman | oh yeah .. |
| 22:12.15 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 22:12.15 | dpkg | i heard pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 22:13.03 | RnBMasterX | i create the file apt.conf |
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| 22:13.37 | RnBMasterX | but in the file sources.list is only deb file //cdrom/ sarge main |
| 22:16.04 | axolx | hey guys. i have a script in /etc/init.d that i want to link into my current init dir /etc/rc.2. i want to link it as SXXservice, but i'm not sure what number to use for XX. how do it know what number to use? |
| 22:16.13 | infernix | RnBMasterX: then you need to remove those lines and add the debian repository urls |
| 22:16.20 | infernix | !paste |
| 22:16.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:16.58 | infernix | RnBMasterX: http://paste.debian.net/8307 |
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| 22:20.05 | mischko | Why is debian offering to install python2.3 when I have python2.4 and told it to install python2.4-docutils? |
| 22:20.06 | mischko | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
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| 22:21.20 | abrotman | mischko: still in the python transition .. everything might not have moved yet |
| 22:21.21 | stoned | I just got a date! I was walking out side without a shirt cuz its hot, I went to get my mail, and this cute lil girl was walking her dog. I started petting the and talked to her and stuff, she lives in my apt building, on the otherside, single, and I asked her out and she said yes! |
| 22:21.26 | stoned | hallelujah! |
| 22:21.45 | stoned | ok, back on topic again |
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| 22:21.59 | infernix | nice one |
| 22:22.11 | Gnurdux | is the default font path in debian unstable different than in testing? because tightvnc from unstable seems to look in the wrong dir |
| 22:22.13 | mischko | Can I override this problem with it trying to install python2.3 stuff? |
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| 22:23.15 | infernix | mischko: with pinning. |
| 22:23.16 | infernix | !pinning |
| 22:23.16 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
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| 22:24.07 | Gnurdux | infernix, i just used a pin for unstable to get xtightvncserver :P |
| 22:24.12 | itchi | Know someone an nice kung-fu command to get the depencie of an package? Filling an bug report at this time. I not want send it in an year or so ;-) |
| 22:24.13 | Gnurdux | whoops tightvncserver |
| 22:24.31 | Gnurdux | anyway infernix its giving a font-path errror, but when i specify font path, its fine |
| 22:24.41 | infernix | Gnurdux: well i always prefer backporting, but if it works it works |
| 22:24.57 | Gnurdux | i dont htink there are backports for testing infernix |
| 22:25.11 | infernix | Gnurdux: i mean backporting as in apt-get -b source, not backports.rog |
| 22:25.19 | Gnurdux | infernix, what does that do> |
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| 22:25.34 | infernix | Gnurdux: it'll compile the package if you have deb-src lines, in your case a deb-src line for unstable |
| 22:25.51 | infernix | Gnurdux: install required dependancies with apt-get build-dep |
| 22:25.54 | Gnurdux | i didn't make a package specific pin, but i had to make a pin becasue i had to add unstable and didn't want it competing with testing |
| 22:26.03 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 22:26.10 | Gnurdux | that sounds like a pain |
| 22:26.16 | infernix | i love it |
| 22:26.20 | Gnurdux | anyway why would it check the wrong font path? |
| 22:26.29 | infernix | no idea. |
| 22:26.49 | RnBMasterX | ok thx. i go sleep |
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| 22:27.53 | Hope-Home | under attack? |
| 22:28.04 | infernix | who? where? what? |
| 22:29.02 | itchi | Hope-Home: You have eat an joke this morning :-) |
| 22:29.53 | Hope-Home | and my bak iz itchi |
| 22:30.02 | Hope-Home | mai back iz itchi lol |
| 22:30.11 | Hope-Home | Bush iche mein fuhrer! |
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| 22:35.32 | lamp__ | I am looking in the archives off unstable and I see that the kernel 2.6.17 686 smp does not excist anymore? |
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| 22:37.37 | stoned | does anyone use google gmail. Everytime I compose an email and send it, it tells me that I have sent an email that is in trash, it will not be sent until I do something to it in inbox? move it there? wtf is up with it, I know its not debian related but if anyone can answer I'd be much obliged |
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| 22:39.52 | foo | What's a good quick and easy way to see that my system can talk to my modem and dial out ? |
| 22:40.32 | stoned | apt-get install ppp |
| 22:40.35 | stoned | I think no? |
| 22:40.48 | beardy | foo: minicom |
| 22:41.15 | beardy | foo: or what stoned said, since that is probably what you are going to use it for? |
| 22:41.37 | stoned | foo, apt-cache search ppp |
| 22:42.08 | beardy | foo: after ppp is installed, run ppp-config, and 'pon configname' and listen, 'poff' after a while if it works. |
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| 22:42.51 | beardy | foo: or if it pppconfig, pppTABTAB |
| 22:42.59 | foo | hehe, ok |
| 22:43.00 | foo | Thanks ! |
| 22:43.07 | rhys | is there a reason i get "Temporary failure in name resolution" whenever i try to use ssh? |
| 22:43.13 | rhys | the client, or restarting the server. |
| 22:43.17 | azeem | rhys: yes |
| 22:43.26 | azeem | your name resolution doesn't work |
| 22:43.34 | stoned | check /etc/resolv.conf maybe |
| 22:43.49 | stoned | or nameserver entries in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:44.03 | beardy | foo: There's also gui programs to control ppp. To dial and hangup. |
| 22:44.06 | rhys | kk stoned |
| 22:44.16 | stoned | kppp I used to used, I am kde nut |
| 22:44.18 | stoned | +a |
| 22:44.43 | foo | Hm, actually... I just want to see if I can dial out... this looks like it is asking for user/poass stuff. |
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| 22:44.56 | azeem | foo: dial out where? |
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| 22:45.05 | azeem | probably use minicom then |
| 22:45.05 | stoned | foo, dialing into an isp required login infor. Try a public bbs or local library modem |
| 22:45.09 | foo | azeem: To my cell phone for example. |
| 22:45.16 | stoned | nm |
| 22:45.18 | rhys | hmmm. stoned, its set right. line 1, search, line 2, nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:45.18 | beardy | foo: Yes, it does. You can however enter your own number, and foo and bar as login and pass. Or try minicom instead. |
| 22:45.19 | foo | I want to see if I can get asterisk working |
| 22:45.20 | stoned | I misunderstood |
| 22:45.25 | foo | beardy: ah, ok |
| 22:45.28 | foo | stoned: It's ok, thanks |
| 22:45.31 | stoned | rhys, is your router configured to have DNS on |
| 22:45.32 | stoned | ? |
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| 22:45.44 | rhys | ah...wait. it should. |
| 22:45.50 | stoned | rhys, make sure |
| 22:46.00 | stoned | also, make sure the router subnet is ok also |
| 22:46.05 | rhys | yea it does. its smoothwall. |
| 22:46.15 | rhys | the subnet for both the router and the box are good |
| 22:46.38 | stoned | rhys, go to router information/stats and see its WAN side information, dns servers to be exact |
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| 22:47.31 | stoned | rhys, does your router provide a command console through http? or can you telnet/ssh to the router? try lookingup a domain through the router first and make sure it works |
| 22:48.31 | rhys | stoned, i can putty into it. but the thing is..im sure it works, as im talking to you right now through the smoothwall. its a dialup router |
| 22:48.38 | stoned | I see |
| 22:48.48 | stoned | rhys, and its only ssh that doesn't work? |
| 22:49.02 | rhys | pretty sure |
| 22:49.11 | rhys | second |
| 22:49.20 | rhys | it resolves fine |
| 22:49.35 | rhys | google.com = 64.233.167.99 |
| 22:49.36 | rhys | yea |
| 22:49.38 | stoned | rhys, explain again, you are trying to ssh to a pc on your local net? or remote on the internet? ssh traffic is not going through? its not coming in, maybe you need to forward router port to your pc you want ssh connections to go to? |
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| 22:49.47 | stoned | ok well it works then :) |
| 22:49.50 | mikeo1 | where is default font fixed? |
| 22:50.01 | stoned | mikeo1, what do you mean? |
| 22:50.09 | stoned | you want the 'fixed' font as default? |
| 22:50.14 | mikeo1 | getting errors starting x, it cant find default font 'fixed' |
| 22:50.22 | rhys | stoned, it wont let me make an ssh connection out from it, and it wont restart the server. but i can ssh into it. |
| 22:50.35 | stoned | mikedub, try apt-get install x-window-system-core first |
| 22:50.50 | stoned | mikedub, that should satisfy any missing font deps |
| 22:50.58 | stoned | doh |
| 22:51.02 | stoned | mikeo1, ^^ |
| 22:51.06 | cparker | I have one package from unstable that I want to install on my sarge machine. How do I do this? |
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| 22:51.10 | beardy | foo: This is how I prefer to run minicom, 'echo -e "\033(U" ; minicom -m -con -l ; reset' I have it in a script though, but you can make it an alias if you like it, or a small script too of course. |
| 22:51.15 | mikeo1 | yes |
| 22:51.21 | mikeo1 | it wasnt installed |
| 22:51.24 | stoned | !tell cparker -about simple sid backport |
| 22:51.24 | mikeo1 | might have just solved my problem |
| 22:51.24 | rhys | ah ....i think it just fixed itsefl |
| 22:51.42 | stoned | !tell cparker -about backports |
| 22:51.46 | stoned | mikeo1, good |
| 22:51.57 | rhys | oooook. spooky. |
| 22:52.01 | foo | beardy: hm, I used pppconfig and tried with pon and get |
| 22:52.02 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# pon provider |
| 22:52.02 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# |
| 22:52.04 | foo | Any ideas? |
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| 22:52.06 | stoned | rhys, router probably farted |
| 22:52.07 | stoned | :) |
| 22:52.15 | stoned | it happens sometimes |
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| 22:52.28 | stoned | sometimes I have to powercycle the router, I have a shitty linksys wrt54g 2.0 |
| 22:52.29 | mikeo1 | damn still cant find default font fixed |
| 22:52.44 | beardy | foo: You pasted, that's why the kick. |
| 22:52.45 | cparker | stoned: have you considered OpenWrt? |
| 22:52.48 | rhys | lol. noooo idea. smoothwall is nice though. ipcop is better, but i cant get it installed. and these installs are just "enter enter enter enter done" |
| 22:52.51 | stoned | I use dd-wrt |
| 22:52.55 | cparker | ah |
| 22:52.56 | foo | beardy: I know. Any ideas? I was expecting it to dial. |
| 22:53.02 | stoned | no wait |
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| 22:53.18 | stoned | man hm, that font thingy is bogglin my brain too |
| 22:53.24 | beardy | foo: pon does that, and if you didn't hear sounds from the modem, reconfigure and try again, do a 'poff' first though. Also check the syslog for messages. |
| 22:53.30 | stoned | mikeo1, which debian release? |
| 22:53.49 | mikeo1 | lol ubuntu |
| 22:53.51 | beardy | foo: It doesn't give any output. |
| 22:53.55 | stoned | get out of here |
| 22:53.55 | foo | 1bearight. |
| 22:53.57 | stoned | #ubuntu |
| 22:54.01 | mikeo1 | they cant help me |
| 22:54.05 | stoned | then we can't either |
| 22:54.09 | rhys | mike, this isnt ubuntu |
| 22:54.11 | rhys | this is debian |
| 22:54.11 | stoned | this is debian, not ubuntu |
| 22:54.18 | mikeo1 | its not an ubuntu issue, its an x issue |
| 22:54.19 | rhys | use a proper linux distro. |
| 22:54.22 | stoned | if ubuntu packages have problems, how can we solve them? |
| 22:54.30 | rhys | then go to ##linux |
| 22:54.39 | stoned | mikeo1, it IS an ubuntu problem because the packages you are using were made on ubutnu, for ubuntu |
| 22:54.46 | mikeo1 | hmmm |
| 22:54.47 | stoned | which is now considerably different from debian |
| 22:55.01 | rhys | mikeo1, and unbuntu fucks with -everything- |
| 22:55.04 | stoned | you need to get support there, as we are not responsible here for anything but debian packages |
| 22:55.08 | stoned | !debian based |
| 22:55.15 | stew | ok enough, everyone just drop it, mikeo1 please move to #ubuntu |
| 22:55.16 | mikeo1 | o well thanks anyway |
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| 22:55.34 | rhys | i hate ubuntu like the plauge. |
| 22:55.39 | stoned | rhys, drop it |
| 22:55.48 | foo | beardy: http://pastebin.ca/75224 |
| 22:55.50 | rhys | lol. sorry. |
| 22:55.58 | rhys | ill go complain in #slackware |
| 22:55.58 | rhys | :D |
| 22:56.19 | beardy | !lol |
| 22:56.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:56.28 | foo | rofl. |
| 22:56.30 | rhys | i use roffle. |
| 22:56.33 | beardy | I doubt they like that talk any better. |
| 22:56.52 | rhys | because i can actually say roffle. how the hell do you pronounce rofl |
| 22:56.53 | rhys | ? |
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| 22:57.03 | foo | beardy: Does that pastebin help at all? Hmm. lspci shows me I have a modem 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02) |
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| 22:57.42 | stoned | stew, what happened to the 'debian based' 'debian-based' factoids, listkeys lists them, but they don't make dpkg respond in channel OR pmsg |
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| 22:57.54 | beardy | foo: Not really. |
| 22:58.01 | foo | beardy: hm, ok. |
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| 22:58.57 | signature16 | whats a good network to register a private channel on? |
| 22:59.03 | beardy | foo: Oh, chances are that that is a so called "winmodem". WHich means it is not a real modem, it requires software emulation of some chipsets on the card. But it is possible to get some winmodems/linmodems working under linux. |
| 22:59.07 | beardy | !winmodem |
| 22:59.07 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 22:59.23 | purdeaandrew | hi! how can i add a permanent 'run' dialog to icewm?? |
| 22:59.37 | stoned | signature16, anywhere but here and oftc, as I beleive they are project oriented channels only |
| 22:59.42 | foo | beardy: Bah. Thanks. I'm on a dell latitude. I was afraid of the winmodem thing. /me remembers he got one of these working about 6 years ago |
| 23:00.23 | beardy | foo: Check those sites, hopefully it's possible to use it. A real, serial, external modem is the best though. |
| 23:00.25 | stew | stoned: i don't know, it might be a new bug, dpkg just synced with upstream and got a lot of new code integrated, i'll hopefully have time to play with it later, but not now |
| 23:00.26 | foo | http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ takes me to ibm.com .... don't know if that's supposed to happen or not. |
| 23:00.38 | beardy | foo: I've also gotten winmodems to work. |
| 23:00.41 | foo | beardy: hm, maybe I should look into one of those if I want to get serious with asteriks. |
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| 23:01.17 | beardy | foo: asterisk needs it to be a voice-capable modem aswell, doesn't it? |
| 23:01.24 | foo | oh, right. |
| 23:01.30 | foo | hm |
| 23:01.36 | beardy | foo: Haven't tried asterisk, don't know. But good luck. |
| 23:01.45 | foo | beardy: Thanks anyways. You got me on a good start. |
| 23:02.10 | stew | for asterisk you just need a microphone, headphones, and iaxcomm or linphone or some other software phone |
| 23:02.25 | beardy | foo: The best would be a "phonecard" not a modem, I think, for asterisk and similar. |
| 23:02.30 | signature16 | stoned: ya i know...but i cant find a good place to ..any suggestions |
| 23:02.42 | foo | stew: Hm, for an asterisk server? |
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| 23:03.10 | stew | foo: it all depends on what you are trying to hook it to |
| 23:03.34 | stew | foo: if you are trying to hook it to the pstn or to real phones then you really want to get hardware made to do that, not try to use a modem |
| 23:03.36 | foo | stew: POTS |
| 23:03.44 | foo | i see |
| 23:03.50 | stew | foo: then you want to buy a real fxo |
| 23:03.56 | foo | fxo? |
| 23:04.01 | stew | yeah |
| 23:04.08 | foo | Hm, alright. I'll check newegg. |
| 23:04.12 | foo | I wonder how much those run. |
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| 23:04.50 | magyar | looking for a valid gpg complient mirror for amd64 |
| 23:05.15 | stew | foo: store.voxilla.com has a bunch of hardware |
| 23:05.20 | foo | stew: thanks |
| 23:05.35 | stew | foo: and they will call it PSTN instead of POTS |
| 23:05.42 | foo | oh, ok |
| 23:05.56 | beardy | stew: PSTN means? |
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| 23:06.09 | stew | beardy: plain switched telephone network, iirc |
| 23:06.14 | beardy | stew: ah |
| 23:06.46 | stew | the hardware to connect to PSTN is called an fxo, if you want to hook your house wiring to the asterisk system, that will be called an ata or an fxs |
| 23:07.33 | purdeaandrew | another question: how can i add a desktop to icewm? (the faster the better) |
| 23:07.35 | thevic | can somebody please explain how might i use fuser or lsof to determine what device or app is using a samba share that i am trying to umount? |
| 23:08.06 | purdeaandrew | lsof | grep path |
| 23:08.15 | foo | stew: http://store.voxilla.com/customer/product.php?productid=16171&cat=0&page=2 - right? |
| 23:08.31 | purdeaandrew | where you replace path with the path of ypur share |
| 23:08.50 | foo | stew / magyar: Oh, and PSTN is Public Switched Telephone Network |
| 23:09.01 | stew | foo: thats an fxs, it would allow you to hook one line of your house wiring to asterisk, it would not let you hook to the phone company |
| 23:09.19 | foo | stew: Hm, I see. |
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| 23:09.58 | beardy | purdeaandrew: A desktop? icewm is a window manager, same as all other windowmanagers, you can run programs in them, and handle their windows. If you want a "desktop" (whatever that _actually_ means) install kde or gnome. Or, continue running icewm, if you like that, and install whatever programs you want, and run them in icewm, every windowmanager can run kde and gnome programs, but the libraries has to be installed. |
| 23:10.09 | foo | stew: Hm, how would the phone company different? Excuse my ignorance, not too familiar. hm |
| 23:10.13 | stew | foo: you want an fxo if you want asterisk to be able to pick up the phone for you when someone calls, you use an fxs if you want to be able to use your existing normal analog phones and your house wiring to be able to pick up a phone and place calls via asterisk (either via iax/sip or using an fxo, via pstn) |
| 23:10.44 | stew | !voip |
| 23:10.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, voip is voice over ip for info on voip go to http://voip-info.org, or pulver.com and gratissip.dk |
| 23:11.02 | stew | foo: voip-info.org has tonnes of information |
| 23:11.07 | foo | stew: thanks |
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| 23:11.13 | thevic | i have: //Alien/D on /mnt/alien/d type smbfs (rw) when i type mount ... attempting umount results in device busy message (it prints twice for some unknown reason) .... lsof | grep /mnt/alien/d doesn not turn up anything .... suggestions? |
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| 23:13.32 | beardy | thevic: Are you standing in it? |
| 23:14.13 | beardy | thevic: Run 'lsof /mnt/alien/d' instead. |
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| 23:15.24 | thevic | beardy, standing in it? i ran it ... still nothing ... :\ |
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| 23:15.48 | Raito | Does Debian have a partitioner in its installer? |
| 23:15.54 | tuv | yes |
| 23:15.58 | tuv | a very good one |
| 23:16.20 | Raito | what are other things that would hold an idiot back from using debian? |
| 23:16.21 | beardy | thevic: Yes. 'pwd'? |
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| 23:17.01 | tuv | Raito, you can't appreciate debian until you actually use it |
| 23:17.08 | beardy | Raito: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 23:17.22 | beardy | Raito: Rethink and rephrase and ask again. |
| 23:17.39 | stoned | lol |
| 23:18.13 | Raito | I was thinking of switching from ubuntu to debian because of all the packages and the fact that I have no ability to compile from source >_< |
| 23:18.30 | godmachine81 | is there an applet or some kind of program that will run a terminal inside your desktop's background. something that looks sort of like conky, but its an actual terminal? |
| 23:18.34 | zamaliphe | how to make konversation do "/cs op #arabian zamaliphe" every time i log in to channel ? |
| 23:19.06 | stoned | zamaliphe, /join #kde |
| 23:19.10 | beardy | Raito: I think you most ceirtanly have a compiler available in ubuntu aswell. But, you will probably find Debian better. |
| 23:19.16 | beardy | !d-i Raito |
| 23:19.17 | dpkg | Raito, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:19.22 | beardy | Raito: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:19.23 | thevic | beardy: no, i'm in ~ |
| 23:19.58 | beardy | thevic: Have a look at fuser too. Otherwise, I'm not sure why.. |
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| 23:20.08 | beardy | !wiui thevic |
| 23:20.08 | dpkg | thevic: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 23:20.16 | tuv | coming from ubuntu? won't like stable! |
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| 23:20.29 | beardy | thevic: Are you root? |
| 23:20.50 | thevic | i can be .... i've been trying sudo umount -f /mnt/alien/d |
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| 23:21.03 | beardy | tuv: Perhaps he is one of us that appreciate things that work? |
| 23:21.05 | thevic | fuser /mnt/alien/d? |
| 23:21.07 | hologram | anyone have any opinions on a decent linux web dev suite? |
| 23:21.23 | tuv | thevic, try lsof as root.. sometimes it shows more than what's shown for a regular user |
| 23:21.43 | purdeaandrew | beardy: by desktop i mean a set of icons with wich i can run programs , or open files. i just want it to be fast, i can run kdesktop in icewm, but i don't think that it is the right thing to do |
| 23:21.54 | tuv | beardy, testing works like a charm |
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| 23:22.27 | thevic | oooohhhh ... duh |
| 23:22.39 | beardy | purdeaandrew: WHat you want then is some thing that places icons in your rootwindow, in whatever window-manager. |
| 23:23.06 | thevic | ahaha! famd 1633 homer 235r DIR 0,11 4096 2 /mnt/alien/d |
| 23:23.09 | beardy | purdeaandrew: An xterm, of your choice is faster though. |
| 23:23.30 | thevic | what's famd ...? |
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| 23:23.48 | tuv | thevic, most often it's famd that causes such trouble |
| 23:23.52 | beardy | thevic: Some gnome thing IIRC, close nautilus if you run it. |
| 23:23.52 | purdeaandrew | beardy: xterm??? |
| 23:24.10 | beardy | purdeaandrew: or wterm, *term, and so on |
| 23:24.14 | tuv | thevic, a file alteration monitoring daemon.. just do: /etc/init.d/fam restart |
| 23:24.41 | tuv | thevic, if you get too annoyed by fam, install gamin instead |
| 23:25.15 | azeem | gamin has been orphaned upstream |
| 23:25.24 | purdeaandrew | beardy: how do terminals place icons more exactly??? |
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| 23:25.33 | beardy | purdeaandrew: They don't. |
| 23:25.54 | thevic | gamin .... thnx |
| 23:26.06 | purdeaandrew | beardy: so??? |
| 23:26.15 | azeem | purdeaandrew: forget about terminals |
| 23:26.21 | beardy | purdeaandrew: I said it was faster. |
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| 23:26.25 | tuv | azeem, hmm.. didn't know that.. will it be removed from debian then? |
| 23:26.32 | azeem | beardy: yeah, a corvette is faster, too |
| 23:26.33 | beardy | azeem: eh? |
| 23:26.37 | beardy | azeem: ... |
| 23:26.38 | meriad | 30 minutes left |
| 23:26.47 | azeem | beardy: he's trying to organize his desktop? |
| 23:27.22 | tuv | azeem, hmm.. didn't know that gamin is orphaned upstream.. will it be removed from debian then? |
| 23:27.39 | azeem | tuv: the GNOME team is trying to get rid of it at least |
| 23:27.49 | beardy | azeem: With the menu, and a terminal, it's already done. And if he absolutely needs one, a graphical filemanager can be used. |
| 23:27.50 | azeem | GNOME now uses inotify directly, for the most part |
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| 23:29.28 | purdeaandrew | yes, i usually open a terminal and write in the commands name, but i would like to have some icons on my desktop, like in kde, without too much speed loss, or, an extra toolbar could be good too... (i'd like to start programs with one click, but the toolbar near the icewm menu is not big enaugh for me to fill it with the programs i use most of the time, and it also eats up space from the taskbar) |
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| 23:29.56 | lin0x | hi. i bought the game X2: The Threat. i've been playing the game for a some time in my windows machine. i'm just wondering if i can play it on linux too. |
| 23:30.17 | azeem | lin0x: see the wine website maybe |
| 23:30.27 | azeem | lin0x: unless there is a Linux client available for it |
| 23:31.05 | lin0x | azeem: ok |
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| 23:33.28 | beardy | purdeaandrew: Have you tried any other window manager? Perhaps with more toolbars, or better configurable bars? |
| 23:33.46 | beardy | !window manager |
| 23:33.46 | dpkg | methinks window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoon, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 23:34.29 | purdeaandrew | beardy: i like icewm and its speed, thats why i'd like to use it |
| 23:34.48 | stew | that should probably just say "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" and not bother with the rest... |
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| 23:35.25 | stew | ratpoon? |
| 23:35.27 | azeem | it's dpkg's equivalent of `bling' |
| 23:35.37 | azeem | well, not ratpoon |
| 23:36.20 | beardy | purdeaandrew: apt-cache search toolbar, apt-cache search icon |
| 23:36.33 | beardy | icons |
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| 23:37.35 | stew | !no window manager is a special class of x applications which decorates and manages windows for the x server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as gnome or kde |
| 23:37.35 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 23:38.51 | purdeaandrew | thanks, i'm going to sleep, bye |
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| 23:43.52 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi... |
| 23:44.38 | Aragorn_Guardian | I like know how can I make a .deb package from a source program (.tar.gz compiled) |
| 23:44.47 | Aragorn_Guardian | where i get this info? |
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| 23:45.07 | beardy | !nm guide |
| 23:45.07 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 23:45.17 | Aragorn_Guardian | nice... thanks |
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| 23:47.14 | Aragorn_Guardian | I need debhelper? |
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| 23:47.39 | azeem | Aragorn_Guardian: did you read the guide already? |
| 23:47.42 | axolx | hey guys: why does the statement `puts "hello world!"` not print anything on screen if I call it through an intermediary script? (i.e. i have another ruby script call the script that puts hello world using `ruby helloworld.rb` |
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| 23:48.24 | Aragorn_Guardian | reading....some packages i dont have here..this dh_make.... |
| 23:48.38 | Aragorn_Guardian | but, ok...gonna read it .... 8) |
| 23:49.29 | polishkoop | Okay, I'm trying to set up sound on debian sarge kernel 2.4 using ALSA. I've installed all the packages necessary, but I can't really make any progress. I've done alsaconf, but it can't find my device, and nothing really happens when I use hotplug or discover. Anyone have ideas? |
| 23:50.12 | stew | polishkoop: what does "lspci -n | grep 040.:" say? |
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| 23:50.21 | bulio | http://rafb.net/paste/results/0mWlbe81.html |
| 23:50.24 | bulio | whats wrong there? |
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| 23:51.21 | polishkoop | stew: 0000:00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24d5 (rev 02) |
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| 23:51.49 | dob1 | hi |
| 23:52.06 | stew | polishkoop: that should use snd-intel8x0, which alsaconf should really have no problem detecting |
| 23:52.14 | stew | polishkoop: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 23:52.28 | dob1 | on vsftpd if on a user is set /bin/false as shell it doesn't permit ftp login, i read on the vsftp doc that this is not normal, why that? |
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| 23:53.14 | MTecknology | Anybody have suggestions for a usefull debian based command line distro?? |
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| 23:54.00 | MTecknology | I'm looking for something I can use apt-get with, small, and fast |
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| 23:54.38 | dob1 | why not debian? |
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| 23:55.12 | MTecknology | I want debian, as long as it's a CL distro that takes up less than 1G |
| 23:55.23 | MTecknology | I've found some, but they're really slow |
| 23:55.31 | azeem | MTecknology: just don't install a GUI |
| 23:55.36 | dob1 | CL distro? |
| 23:55.37 | MTecknology | and not debian |
| 23:55.44 | dob1 | what does that means? |
| 23:55.48 | azeem | MTecknology: well, look somewhere else then? |
| 23:55.48 | nf1 | if you don't need X, debian is under 1gb |
| 23:55.51 | azeem | dob1: command-line |
| 23:55.59 | dob1 | ah |
| 23:56.23 | MTecknology | nf1, does debian have apt-get? |
| 23:56.26 | Aragorn_Guardian | install just the minimal, in debian...there are a small cd, only for server... |
| 23:56.31 | azeem | MTecknology: are you trolling? |
| 23:56.33 | dob1 | install a base debian and the add what you need, you can keep it in small space |
| 23:56.45 | nf1 | ofcourse it has it |
| 23:56.54 | MTecknology | ok, thanks |
| 23:57.22 | MTecknology | azeem, how would I be trolling? I'm asking question related to the room and not distrupting it |
| 23:57.23 | Aragorn_Guardian | debian netinst |
| 23:57.36 | polishkoop | stew: okay, how do i add this username to the audio group? after this then I think im done :-) |
| 23:57.40 | azeem | MTecknology: if you're not trolling, you should start reading www.debian.org |
| 23:57.46 | Aragorn_Guardian | i like it, very small, beatiful. |
| 23:57.51 | MTecknology | thanks for the help :) |
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| 23:58.01 | MTecknology | azeem, How am I trolling? |
| 23:58.16 | dob1 | you ask if debian has apt-get :) |
| 23:58.21 | azeem | MTecknology: I was merely asking whether you were, but apparently you are not |
| 23:58.25 | nf1 | debian netinst images are about 110-130mb ISO and after installing base system i think it was about 400-500mb |
| 23:59.18 | stew | polishkoop: adduser username audio ; you will need to logout and back in in order to actually get the privileges |
| 23:59.45 | rhys | which is better for compression? tgz or tbz2 ?? |
| 23:59.56 | nf1 | bz2 |
