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00:00.54rhysim just curious how linux does that. i see things compressed 300%....
00:01.20rhysa package was uncompressed from 50mb to 150...
00:01.47beardyrhys: The source is available and Free.
00:02.15rhysill save mysefl the trouble and just go ask a russian, or a greek.
00:02.56beardyrhys: If you prefer those languages, perhaps worth a try.
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00:03.20rhysmore, i will understand them just as well as source code.
00:03.30nf1:)
00:03.44azeemrhys: you will need to study the algorithm if you want to understand it
00:03.48beardyrhys: Well, bzip2 is better. But gzip is not bad. :)
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00:03.56azeemor just accept that it comresses quite good, like the rest of us
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00:04.35rhysazeem, about what i do. im going to try and set up the andrew file system with kerberos5. it will do my backups and compression
00:05.14rhysunless someone here has a box of DDS4 tapes lieing around?
00:05.29beardyrhys: Don't use .tgz or .tbz or similar, use .tar.gz or .tar.bz2, easier, and nicer.
00:05.43SerajewelKSi think debian should have a theme song...
00:05.56rhysbeardy, thats a matter of prefrence no?
00:06.07beardyrhys: Sure, and there's mine.
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00:06.20rhysjust the same as i may tar1 and tar2 in my bashrc as tar -xzvf and -xjvf?
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00:06.30rhysyou should do that. easier. nicer.
00:06.30rhys:)
00:07.11beardyrhys: I could, but I would call them guntar and buntar, or something like that.
00:07.54beardyrhys: But when it comes to filenames, perhaps more than yourself will have to see and use the files.
00:08.37thevicwhat do you guys use to access windows share from linux?  smbfs? or cifs?
00:08.48rhysthevic, i think theyre the same thing
00:09.20nevynhrm
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00:09.33beardy!samba
00:09.33dpkgi heard samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html)
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00:09.58thevico .... yea i think cifs is in the samba suite ... but from what i understand, cifs usually has to be invoked with mount.cifs or put somewhere is some sort of path (my understanding of linux is not enough such that i know which one)
00:10.02beardythevic: Have a look at smbclient, or mount shares.
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00:10.36rhyseh. i looked at samba and nfs both. im giving a shot to afs
00:11.24beardyrhys: It all depends on what you are going to do, and what you have to use, and what things are involved. You probably made the correct decision for your case.
00:11.50thevicim not looking for a detailed walkthrough of the process or nothin ... just wanted to get some general opinions of people who may have linux experience than myself
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00:12.54Aragorn_Guardianabout tar at all, i found a utility that is fast than tar, his name is dar.
00:13.01Aragorn_Guardianops..faster
00:13.13rhysdar?
00:13.19Aragorn_Guardianlong tar files could be a wast of time to recovery...
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00:13.34Aragorn_Guardianyeah and it is in apt-get...
00:14.14Aragorn_Guardiana sample case: restore a single /etc/resolv.conf from a 1GB .tar.gz. 8)
00:14.26Aragorn_Guardiandar make this easy.
00:14.47rhysooo. that would be nice.
00:15.00Aragorn_Guardianand make incremental backups too...
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00:15.37Aragorn_Guardiani am using it for more than one year...very good.
00:15.48rhyswell for that im hoping to get an entirely scsi HPPA based box and hook my DDS4 ext tape drive to it..
00:16.03rhys20gb tapes @~2.50$ a tape.
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00:16.48rhysstore most of my stuff on my AFS server, and just have the scsi box with an AFS client pull down from that and do a tape backup
00:16.59Aragorn_Guardiannice.
00:17.10rhys* what i would like to do
00:19.24rhysAragorn_Guardian, i have to figure out how to work kerberos, AFS, and SCSI. :D ive never played with any of it before
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00:21.21magyarwhat does this stands for in sarge dmesg "icmpv6_send: addr_any/mcast source" ?
00:21.25mage__anyone here successfully do TV out with just a video card? wondering what video cards are good for TV out
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00:22.04Aragorn_Guardianwell...since I know ...scsi is depends the kernel you use...i think has no problem with the debian kernel. for kerberos has some specific packages. once installed them, you will have no problems.
00:22.33Aragorn_Guardianwhat mean AFS?
00:22.47Aragorn_Guardianfile server?
00:22.53k-godAragorn_Guardian: GIYF
00:22.56k-god!tell Aragorn_Guardian about AFS
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00:23.00mage__distributed file system
00:23.06k-god!tell Aragorn_Guardian about GIYF
00:23.15mage__woah dude
00:23.17Aragorn_Guardian8)
00:23.18mage__lay off the bot
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00:23.42mage__!tell k-god about something random
00:23.44k-godmage__: NP.
00:24.00Aragorn_Guardianreally dont know about it...
00:24.06k-godmage__: Um.  Restrain your enthusiasm.
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00:24.09preddermage__, most nvidia based cards will do the trick.. perhaps go for an older model if you're in doubt?
00:24.22k-godmage__: curb.  Whatever.
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00:25.16sartekhi, i have a .flac and a .cue file how can i separate the tracks? (i know this is not #flac:))
00:26.28mage__k-god: its just annoying when someone asks something and somebody else spouts some acronyms and then tells the bot to message them about things
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00:27.14k-godmage__: I'm a lazy but informative bastard.
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00:27.51k-godmage__: And stuff like "what's AFS" is answered in 15 seconds via Google or Wikipedia.  Train users to use the facilities at hand.
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00:29.27beardymage__: Sit here a few days/weeks/years and try to do better instead of complaining about others.
00:29.34beardy!beer k-god
00:29.40k-godmage__: I'm also familiar with this channel and generally known to the regulars.  Have been for years.
00:29.56k-godmage__: That said, five day holiday, starts about now, enjoy.
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00:36.07g333kwhat can I use to connect to my router using WPA-psk key?
00:36.11mage__well, the use of d-pkg has been bugging me every time I come in here for the past few months, nothing wrong with telling people to google things, I do it myself
00:36.42dvsg333k: There  is a WPA package but I forget what it's called
00:36.53beardymage__: If you want to type the same answer to 5000 people or more, go ahead, some of us don't.
00:37.16dvsg333k: wpasupplicant
00:38.01g333kdvs, thanks
00:38.10dvsg333k: you're welcome
00:38.42Aragorn_Guardiani love debian... 8)
00:38.49azeembeardy: maybe they should just take a break
00:39.18mepplgute nacht
00:39.19beardyazeem: The people that can't read a FAQ? Or who?
00:39.24Aragorn_Guardiani used checkinstall package and could make a .deb from the source of a program... 8)
00:39.26Aragorn_Guardiannice!
00:39.58azeembeardy: the people who have to abbreviate "please google" to "!giyf" so they have to type less
00:40.04g333kI'm afraid my laptop's charger explode in a while.... it is sounding like water drops falling,  what's the worst thing could happen?
00:40.20Aragorn_Guardiangood to unstable my system, I know, but is a nice thing... I never do that so simply in slack... 8)
00:40.39mage__beady: well whats wrong with doing it on channel? other than adding pointless stuff to log files (if there is any)
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00:41.04azeemmage__: doing what?
00:41.06beardyazeem: If they think that Google is their friend, what's the problem? I personally think otherwise more and more, but thatäs another topic.
00:41.08mage__!AFS
00:41.08dpkg[afs] a distributed file system with a common name space. the Andrew filesystem, or <afs> i heard maintaining AFS is a pain in the ass, or http://www.openafs.org/
00:41.18beardy!botmsg
00:41.18dpkgtalk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel
00:41.35mage__^ doing that instead of !tell person about AFS
00:41.43azeembeardy: eh, they tell that to users who have no clue what "giyf" means or maybe even why somebody called "dpkg" just sent them a private message
00:42.02stewmage__: having the bot repeat everything in channel doesn't scale well in a channel with several hundred people
00:42.09beardymage__: Depends on the situation, some people don't listen until you show it up their ass and their eyes at the same time while blowing a trumpet in their ears.
00:42.30beardyshove?
00:42.44azeemyeah, so let's play safe and shove things up their ass all the time
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00:44.03beardyazeem: If you don't know what I mean, theres no point in duscussing.
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00:44.34stonedalright, upgrading sid today after two days, lets hope nothing breaks
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00:44.54stonedoh, nm, its just kde packages that were updated, word
00:45.01mage__I guess it makes sense if the channel is busy, but its not really busy right now
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00:46.36beardymage__: I only started reading when k-god and you said one-two things each. Perhaps I missed the actual point. I'll check, or if you want to enlighten me about this specific case.
00:48.32beardy"Aragorn_Guardian: GIYF" and "!tell Aragorn_Guardian about AFS" and "!tell Aragorn_Guardian about GIYF"
00:48.44beardythat's it?
00:48.45stoneder.. hmm guys.. need a bit of explaination on this, if there is a package with a critical bug, in SID, and I don't want this package to be installed but I want the rest of them to be installed, so I hit "?" at the prompt of apt-listbugs output upon apt-get upgrade.  I am still confused as to what options to select?  Should I just PIN wget to not be installed?
00:48.55stoned!dbugs #326767
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00:48.58dpkgDONE:#326767:G[wget] Failure to use return value from realloc (!); Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:48:04 UTC
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00:50.04mage__beardy: yea I thought it was silly to use the bot like that
00:50.23beardymage__: He told him to use Google to search for himself. Then he told him about the factoid, on which he was asking about, and the, in case he didn't know, told him what giyf, in case he had never heard of it, I don't see any problem with that.
00:50.32stonedoh I am a blind man
00:50.36stonednevermind
00:51.22buliohow do I change permissions on a file so a user can read and write it
00:51.24bulioit is .xml
00:51.28beardymage__: It didn't really hurt you, nor was it offensive, but helpful, to the one asking.
00:51.30stonedbulio, chmod
00:52.00buliochmod what
00:52.01beardymage__: But whatever. Do things your way and hope people find them good and takes after.
00:52.05beardy!beer mage__
00:52.06stonedbulio, read the manpage for chmod
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00:52.26dvsgiyf?
00:52.32azeem!giyf
00:52.32dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, giyf is Google Is Your Friend
00:52.41SerajewelKShmm remind me not to use 'man' while 'locales' is being upgraded
00:52.50beardyEveryone learned something, yay!
00:53.01SerajewelKSsimilar to !fgi apparently
00:53.02rhys...google does bad things to me, when were alone in dark corners. :-s
00:53.17stoneddpkg, jfgi is just fucking google it
00:53.17dpkgstoned: i already had it that way
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00:53.26beardydvs: and that means?
00:53.32dvsbeardy: don't ask
00:53.36ThunderguyI need help again, right now Debian is mounting /dev/hda7 as 'realroot' but I want it to mount /dev/hda5, any ideas? this is with /boot on another partition.
00:53.38stonedhehe
00:53.38beardydvs: I do.
00:53.44dvs!gfy
00:53.45dpkggfy is probably http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
00:53.55dvshuh?
00:54.15dvsoh shit!
00:54.19beardyAh, I see.
00:54.26stonedThunderguy, specify root= option on boot param, grub or whatever
00:54.34beardyNot that nice of the person telling you dvs.
00:54.34stonedI think, not sure
00:54.46buliopybox:/home/bulio# chmod ug+rw fireflux.xml
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00:54.49buliodidn't work
00:54.51Thunderguystoned: Oh good one, now that I think of it I did forget a step O_O
00:54.59beardydvs: Unless you deserved it, that I don't know ;)
00:55.12SerajewelKSThunderguy: moving the root proved to be a challenge for me.  apparently the initrd will force your kernel to use a specific root.
00:55.15dvsbeardy: he wanted to see if a movie on some web site worked for other people.  I'm not going to a website I know little about
00:55.35SerajewelKSThunderguy: i had to mount my new root, chroot to it, rebuild the initrd, and reinstall lilo.  or it would continue booting from the old root.
00:55.36stonedbulio, learn octal perms too very useful
00:55.37buliofixed
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00:56.21stonedbulio, man chmod should explain good
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00:56.54dvsstoned: go to Dell!
00:56.59stonedhahaha!
00:57.09beardydvs: Ok. In here?
00:57.26stoneddvs, i'll have to use that one IF I get hired
00:57.37dvsbeardy: huh?
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00:58.10beardydvs: Did the person ask everyone in here if some movie worked for other people?
00:58.13stonedI'd rather work shit job for dell making 12$ an hour than work some other shit job for min. wage
00:58.21itsa_meeshould the linux swap partition be logical or primary?
00:58.42pipelineitsa_mee: swap doesn't matter
00:58.43stoneditsa_mee, it can even be a file, doesn't have to be a partition
00:58.45pipelineitsa_mee: root should be primary
00:58.47dvsbeardy: Yes, first he asked everyone then he singled me out.  I said "nope" and then he told me that
00:58.49stonedand it doesn't matter really
00:58.54beardyitsa_mee: Your choice, but no reason for it to be logical if you don't need more than four partitions.
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00:59.20beardydvs: They all come here, it's a bit strange..
00:59.30dvsbeardy: you're telling me
00:59.37beardyheh
00:59.47ThunderguySerajewelKS: Well I had another problem earlier I have no idea what caused it, it was '/dev/hda7' not found, I still haven't resolved it, but I made progress only in making progress I changed root ( somewhat accidently ) so now I have to fix that before I can fix the other one
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01:01.41itsa_meethanks guys
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01:02.58ThunderguyIt's fixed! It's Fixed! *dances*
01:03.37stonedThunderguy, what did you do
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01:04.26beardyHave a nice day/night everyone.
01:04.35stonedyou too
01:05.21dvsbeardy: bye!
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01:05.39dvswork on X!!!!
01:06.09gravityheh
01:06.20MatBoyIs there a command to list all users that have cronjobs installed ?
01:06.34rhyswow...starting 14 decompress jobs at once is taxing
01:06.34dvsYou are the team!
01:06.50tuvi'm seeing too many "Fatal Error! MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_video" since i upgraded to marillat's pre8 version
01:07.42stonedtuv, me too
01:07.58stonedtuv, I switched to vlc/kaffeine until furthur notice
01:08.40tuvstoned, i'm gonna try and revert to the previous version.. will see if this helps
01:09.14stonedtuv, yeah, I think i'll compile mplayer from source and see if it still does weird stuff
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01:09.26stonedmaking debs isn't THAT hard
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01:09.45tuvstoned, can't we report bugs
01:09.45gravitydvs: Not really, but I know things have been slow while I've been on vacation
01:10.04stonedtuv, sure, but I don't know where you'd report unofficial deb bugs
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01:10.15dvsgravity: Oh?  Other people are actually doing work?
01:10.20stonedmarillats stuff is not officially debian sutff I don't think
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01:10.45gravitydvs: Yes
01:11.02tuvstoned, debian-multimedia.org's page have an email of marillats
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01:11.41stonedtuv, I am not sure if you can email bugs to the maintainer, don't know if it is allowed or not.
01:11.53stonedI have not read the webpage so I don't konw
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01:12.36tuvstoned, it says in that page don't submit bugs to the BTS and send them to me (him :)) and then an email is listed
01:12.43dlynchI need some assistance in configuring squidGuard, I have it all working just some pages are still able to be viewed.
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01:13.00dlynchcould this possibly be something not updating in the blacklists?
01:13.12romulohi, anyone knows a program to watch out packets from a single app?
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01:13.40tuvstoned, do you still have the problem with mplayer without the gui, i.e. not gmplayer?
01:13.44stonedtuv, you should be alright then
01:13.49dlynchcould this possibly be something not updating in the blacklists??
01:13.53stonedtuv, I get them all the time, been going on for weeks now
01:14.00dlynchand I also wanted to know if anyone else has been able to block audio/video streaming with squidGuard
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01:14.09dlynchsorry I didn't mean to repeat
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01:17.32dlynch??
01:18.10tuvstoned, i get the errors only when using gmplayer. mplayer looks fine
01:18.29stonedtuv, I use kplayer frontend, and it happens there too
01:18.44stonedI have not tried mplayer by itself though
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01:18.56stonedmaybe its the gui tht causes some problem
01:19.07stonedgtk or qt either one
01:19.32stonedtuv, i'll start using mplayer by itself and see if I still get it, but it will take some time to do testing
01:19.42stonedmaybe you could try tomorrow and I'll let you know what happens
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01:24.02polishkoopI'm running debian sarge kernel 2.4 and I'm problems getting my windows wifi drivers installed with ndiswrapper.  When i install them I just get the error saying invalid driver!.  Any suggestions?
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01:25.49Kurtismhow do I get that text-gui thing to add more sources to apt?
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01:26.38dlynchpolishkoop: how can you use windows drivers in debian?
01:26.41stonedKurtism, apt-setup
01:26.45polishkoopdlynch: i'
01:26.45Kurtismok thanks
01:26.50stonedKurtism, you're welcome
01:26.52polishkoopdlynch: i've done it befoer with ndiswrapper
01:27.01Kurtismdoh I don't have apt-setup installed it says
01:27.03Kurtismer oh
01:27.04Kurtismnm
01:27.06KurtismI have to sudo it
01:27.29Kurtismer
01:27.35Kurtismnope I don't have it
01:28.27Kurtismare you sure its apt-setup?
01:28.31Kurtismthat doesn't seem to work
01:28.39dlynchpolishkoop: ok, but I would be loking for a linux driver
01:29.05dlynchI need some assistance in configuring squidGuard, I have it all working just some pages are still able to be viewed.
01:29.38dlynchspecifically entries I add to the block lists
01:31.07dlynchso no oe use squidGuard I am to presume?
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01:31.46Kurtismdoes apt-setup not exist in etch or something?
01:32.40stonedKurtism, apt-get install apt-setup
01:32.45KurtismI tried that
01:32.49Kurtismit doesn't work
01:32.53tnksI didn't have luck on OFTC, so I'll ask here:  Since packages can provide symlinks in their file listings, can these symlinks be conffiles?  Will dpkg make .dpkg-old symlinks and the like?
01:33.01stonedoh well
01:33.09Kurtismapt-get install apt-setup
01:33.09KurtismReading package lists... Done
01:33.09KurtismBuilding dependency tree... Done
01:33.09KurtismE: Couldn't find package apt-setup
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01:33.26stonedKurtism, apt-config
01:33.35stonedit has changed
01:33.42stonedKurtism, do aptTABTAB etc.
01:33.51KurtismI tried that
01:33.56SerajewelKSis there a more clean way of finding all non-dotfiles and dotdirectories than:  find . -wholename '*/.*' -prune -o -print  #?
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01:34.24stonedargh
01:34.37stonednevermind, I am giving you useless information, hah, information that I don't have right
01:34.38stonedsorry
01:34.46stonedlet me go look and i'll let you know when I find something
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01:35.21Kurtismthere is some program that ran when I installed the os that let me pick apt sources from a list
01:35.30SerajewelKSKurtism: that was apt-setup
01:35.35Kurtismand it wrote them to /etc/sources.list
01:36.05Kurtismwhat directory is that stored in, it doesn't seem to be in /bin/ /sbin/ /usr/sbin or /usr/bin
01:36.17Kurtismor any of the usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin
01:36.20SerajewelKSKurtism: which flavor of debian
01:36.23Kurtismsid
01:36.25KurtismEtch
01:36.32KurtismBeta2
01:36.34dlynchwell thanks for all the help, I can't believe that no one here uses squid or squidGuard!!!!!!!!!!!
01:36.37SerajewelKSKurtism: make up your mind
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01:36.40SerajewelKSKurtism: sid is not etch
01:36.54Kurtismits Testing-Beta2
01:37.10stonedSerajewelKS, I am on sid, there is no package called apt-setup and also there is no executable by the name on the system
01:37.24SerajewelKSstoned: apt-setup never had its own package
01:37.47Kurtismhow does one run apt-setup?
01:37.48SerajewelKSwe're in beta now?
01:37.49stonedSerajewelKS, I knew that, but I thought since the exec. didn't exist, maybe they made a package seperately of it
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01:38.09SerajewelKSaccording to pdo, apt-setup no longer exists in any package
01:38.22SerajewelKSso it was either renamed or removed entirely
01:38.23Kurtismso how did it run when I installed the os?
01:38.33SerajewelKSKurtism: it may exist on the installer cd
01:38.39stonedI don't think it was renamed
01:38.43SerajewelKSKurtism: or it may be named something else
01:39.14Kurtismits nice because it makes it so easy to see all your source options right in front of you
01:39.27SerajewelKSKurtism: or you could man sources.list
01:39.28Kurtismmuch better than me going to google and trying to find disogranized info
01:39.34stoned!listkeys apt-setup
01:39.35dpkgFactoid search of 'apt-setup' by key (3): apt-setup ;; #debian apt-setup ;; _default apt-setup.
01:39.39stoned!apt-setup
01:39.39dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid.
01:39.41stonedthere you go
01:40.04SerajewelKSKurtism: 'man sources.list' or use something else
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01:40.16Kurtismwhy on earth would they remove such a useful tool
01:40.24stonedKurtism, many reasons, go read the page
01:40.28dvsKurtism: because it was a useful tool
01:41.02SerajewelKSKurtism: it was trimmed down so as to be more useful during the install phase (which is its primary use) but as a result is not so useful afterwards
01:41.22SerajewelKSKurtism: learn to edit text files like sources.list.  you are using linux now, you'll learn sooner or later.
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01:41.37stonedSerajewelKS, rephrase yourself please
01:41.44stonedyou'll *HAVE* learn sooner or later.
01:41.45stonedhehe
01:41.53stonedhave to*
01:42.02SerajewelKSstoned: ... both work
01:42.13Kurtismoh its easy with nano but fark its a pain in the ASS
01:42.23SerajewelKSKurtism: ... so use nano?
01:42.27stonedyes, but I don't think its an option, to admin *nix you need to be able to do that
01:42.49KurtismI don't have the list of sources to add though
01:42.50SerajewelKSKurtism: or learn vim or emacs or something.
01:42.59Kurtismwhere can I find a complete list of official sources?
01:43.04stonedKurtism, you can get them from debian.org
01:43.07Kurtismthat's the real problem
01:43.07stoned!mirrors
01:43.07dpkgdebian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror
01:43.13SerajewelKShttp://www.debian.org/mirror/list
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01:43.16SerajewelKSbah
01:43.17dvsuse apt-setup?
01:43.18SerajewelKS!lose me
01:43.18dpkgserajewelks: You Lose.
01:43.25stonedfactoid needs updating
01:43.27SerajewelKSdvs: you missed that conversation
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01:43.41dvsSerajewelKS: no i didn't, stoned got it
01:43.46SerajewelKS!tell dvs about apt-setup
01:43.47Kurtismediting the files is nothing... its finding the sources that's the problem.
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01:43.58SerajewelKSKurtism: use the URL i gave you
01:44.11SerajewelKSdvs: apt-setup is gone from >=testing
01:44.11SmirnovHey is there some kind of tutorial somewhere for making Debian bulletproof? Like configuring selinux, iptables, etc?
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01:44.35dvsSerajewelKS: Yeah, I know.  so "mirrors" need updating
01:44.41stonedSmirnov, debian-administration.org I think
01:44.43SerajewelKSSmirnov: unplug the ethernet line, done
01:44.50stonedSerajewelKS, don't be useless
01:44.52Smirnovstoned: thanks
01:45.05SerajewelKSstoned: that's the only way to make anything bulletproof.  be realistic.
01:45.08Kurtismand are those links on that page for ETCH or for SARGE? or Sid?
01:45.10Thanatermesisany idea of why NVIDIA don't build the package ? (etch),   http://pastebin.ca/75329
01:45.16SerajewelKSKurtism: all three
01:45.18SmirnovHmm bullet proof doesnt come up
01:45.37predder!bullet proof
01:45.40stonedSmirnov, there is no few step debian securing thing
01:45.44predderaww :(
01:45.45dvs!bulletproof
01:45.50dvsdoh
01:45.50stonedSmirnov, you need to learn how to properly secure a debian box
01:45.53SerajewelKSKurtism: you specify the repository in your sources.list
01:45.54stonedthat required reading
01:45.55Smirnov!bulletproof
01:45.59Smirnovyes I want to read rea read
01:46.04Smirnovall the reading I can take
01:46.24stoneder. that requires*
01:46.26SerajewelKSKurtism: e.g., i have:  deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
01:46.29stonedmy english is horrible
01:46.32stonedgrr.
01:46.45SerajewelKSKurtism: that specifies the mirror, the repository (testing) and the sections i want (main, non-free, and contrib)
01:47.05stoned!apt-howto
01:47.05dpkg[apt-howto] at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en
01:47.24stonedKurtism, please refer to the above links
01:47.38h00thi again ppl
01:47.41stonedhello
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01:48.12h00tcan someone tell me if xfree86 supports widescreen OR only xorg supports wide screen
01:48.31stonedxfree supports whatever resolution your video/monitor can support
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01:49.49h00tstoned, what do you think is the best way for me to set the res to 1680 x 1050 ... i have a non-free nvidia driver
01:50.12h00tthat is the native res of my monitor LCD
01:50.22stonedh00t, if you hardware can support this, then modify /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
01:51.04stonedh00t, ahh, I don't know if I can be of furthur help, as I have never owned/worked with LCD panels
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01:51.41h00tstoned, i did that yesterday but i think maybe i did the change in the wrong place ... can i paste my xfree86.conf and you tell me if i made the change in the right place
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01:51.49stonedsure
01:51.51stoned!paster
01:51.52dpkgfrom memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
01:51.54stoneduse that
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01:53.40h00there it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/2978
01:54.07stonedlooking...
01:54.12h00tdo you see i put it there
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01:54.34stonedh00t
01:54.47stonedh00t, is this nvidia card?
01:54.54stonedok nm
01:54.57h00tyes sir geforece
01:55.07freeone3000'nv' in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. 'nvidia' in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. installed nvidia-glx. installed nvidia-kernel. installed kernel stuff. And I'm still only getting OpenGL 1.4
01:55.22freeone3000(tried both nvidia and nv)
01:55.22stonedyou are using the nvidia driver, so you need to remove GLCore and DRI modules from the modules section also
01:55.42freeone3000stoned: Wow. Someone actually has a clue. Thanks. :)
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01:56.00itchiHow do we do or how it's called to get sound software mixing. To get 2 sounds apps use the same audio card at the same time
01:56.06stonedh00t, that goes for you too
01:56.09h00tstoned, ... ok .. idon't get it ... are you saying that i have to remove the proprietary drivers to have wide screen display
01:56.16stonedh00t, no
01:56.20h00titchi, hey man .. what' sup
01:56.25freeone3000itchi: Alsa, usually
01:56.37h00tok so what do i have to do to make it happened
01:56.42freeone3000stoned: Should I use 'nv' or 'nvidia'?
01:56.42stonedh00t, in the file, there is a section called "modules" you need to remove those two mentioned modules
01:56.51stonedfreeone3000, if you want 3d you need nvidia not nv
01:56.55stonedafaik
01:57.22h00tstoned ... i can do that in "dpkg-reconfigure" ... i got that ... can i just ask you why
01:57.28stonedh00t, it seems fine under the resolutions section
01:57.37freeone3000stoned: Thanks.
01:57.47itchifreeone3000: Have that an special name ? Is it 'software sound mixing'?
01:58.04itchih00t: Good and you ? A bit happy'er ??
01:58.06stonedh00t, I am not entirely sure about the technicality of it, but nvidia doc says so
01:58.14stonedfreakzoid0223, welcome
01:58.17stoneddoh
01:58.19stoneddamn tab
01:58.21freeone3000itchi: alsa
01:58.33freeone3000itchi: That's what you want, anyway.
01:59.22itchifreeone3000: I have it already but it's looks that he not mix the sound so that i could use 2 sound apps at the same time. I guess we need to do some things.
01:59.37freeone3000itchi: Works fine for me.
01:59.39stoneditchi, dmix
01:59.39h00tok so you are saying i gotta remove glcore and dri
01:59.48freeone3000h00t: From the files sectoin, yes.
01:59.49stonedif you don't want to run an audio server use dmix
01:59.50stoned!dmix
01:59.50dpkgmethinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc
01:59.55itchistoned: Yeah, dmix is it, now you tell it
02:00.02stoneditchi, you never asked me
02:00.03stoned:)
02:00.18h00tstoned, just to get w screen working
02:00.21freeone3000Be right back for obvious reasons
02:00.27sdsdsdHi i have a server which runs 64 bit os i have compiled nrpe in that server however checking with nagios server gives NRPE: Unable to read output
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02:00.35stonedh00t, once again, I am not familiar with LCD, but your x conf file looks fine
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02:02.04h00tstoned, ok... all am saying is that i DO have the "nvidia" drivers working ... what makes you think that if i remove those things (glcore and dri) i will be able to set my res to widescreen
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02:02.32Snake-EyesHow can I see if a cdrom is being detected?   I've looked at /var/log/boot and lsmod
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02:02.43itchiThanks guys, it's been that i need :-)
02:02.44stonedh00t, I did not say that it would help with that, but I was saying that when nvidia driver is used, you should remove DRI and GLCore
02:03.03h00tok ... i got that
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02:03.07h00ti'll be right back
02:03.26stonedsorry I couldn't help you, if I could afford an LCD maybe I'd know hehe
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02:04.06dvsstoned: steal one from your future work ;-)
02:04.08freeone3000stoned: Unfortunatly, it's still not loading to UT2004 standards.
02:04.19stoneddvs, hehe
02:04.28stoneddvs, i'll proabbly get discounts
02:04.37dvsstoned: five-fingered?
02:04.42stonednah
02:04.46stonedthats illegal
02:04.52stonedcan't jeapordize job
02:05.00dvsthey won't miss one, will they? ;-)
02:05.05stoneddvs, but for fucks sake man, I haven't even had an interview yet
02:05.07stonedhehe
02:05.16stonedI got one tomorrow
02:05.21dvsyay!
02:05.23stonedabrotman helped me with my resume today
02:05.24dvs!beer stoned
02:05.31stonedso at least its a bit better than what I could do
02:05.53paqeeeeeeee
02:06.23stonedbut .. since I'm a stoner, I like beer mostly only with beer bongs, I can't stand the taste of it, but I like being somewhat drunk every now and then
02:06.28freeone3000stoned: Would anything in http://pastebin.ca/75341 mess it up?
02:06.30stonedok, back on topic again
02:06.34stonedfreeone3000, looking...
02:06.59stonedfreeone3000, nvidia is not a module
02:07.02stonedremove the last line
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02:07.10stonednvidia is a driver that goes under the device section
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02:07.21freeone3000stoned: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did that. alrighty.
02:07.29stonedfreeone3000, really?
02:07.43freeone3000stoned: Really really.
02:07.45stonedhmm, then I have no knowledge of what was changed in debian recently, what release are you using
02:07.55freeone3000sid.
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02:08.00stonedme too
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02:08.11stonedlet me paste my file maybe that could provide as an example
02:08.12stonedhold on
02:08.23stonedI play painkiller and morrowind under cedega on my sid box
02:08.26stonedbrb
02:08.44h00tstoned, what card do you have
02:08.51stonedos[Linux 2.6.16-1-686 i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz @ 2.40GHz] mem[Physical : 1011MB, 47.5% free] disk[Total : 231.01GB, 23.30% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]] sound[]
02:09.11h00tI LOVE THIS GUY
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02:09.17freeone3000Hey, I've got a better card than he does!
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02:09.31freeone3000Course, my proc is .6GHz slower.
02:09.32dabreegsterstoned: That's pretty good. Morrowind smoothly emulated? Then again, Cedega. Isn't it a bit different from wine?
02:09.51stonedhttp://channels.debian.net/paste/2979
02:09.52freeone3000dabreegster: Er, yeah. It plays the best games perfectly, and a good deal of games with very few glitches.
02:10.02stonedlook at my file, maybe that might help
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02:10.12dabreegsterfreeone3000: But the license issues. Right.
02:10.13stoneddabreegster, very smoothly
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02:10.47freeone3000stoned: Ah. I'm missing a lot of those options.
02:10.54stonedfreeone3000, I have a dual head system
02:10.59h00twhat do you have to do whenyou bought a game (for window) to make it work under linux... do i have to buy another copy
02:11.05dabreegsterstoned: I might try it out against wine one day. No hope for Morrowind on this thing, but it might work well for others.
02:11.05freeone3000stoned: Oh. Mmka.
02:11.15freeone3000stoned: So "RenderAccel" won't apply to me?
02:11.35dabreegsterh00t: Usually there isn't a port for Linux. You can try emulation.
02:11.36stonedfx 5200 was 35$ and it has 128mb ram, mediocre GPU, and dual monitor support + 3rd one for s video out TV
02:11.38freeone3000dabreegster: Try Little Fighters 2. It's slow. It's resource-hogging. It plays on everything. Cept I couldn't get it to work under wine.
02:11.43stonedfreeone3000, use it
02:11.52freeone3000stoned: Alrighty... Trying that.
02:12.05h00ti want to play HL
02:12.21h00tdabreegster, i wantto play hl
02:12.31h00ti got it here
02:12.46stonedif you notice, I disabled composite recently, it was causing Xorg to crash lately after my last sid update
02:12.51dabreegsterh00t: It was a bit buggy under wine last time I tried. Might be an issue specific to me, but only the menu worked. Once I started the game, the display froze and all I had was audio.
02:12.57stoneduntil furthur notice, I got no more transparency lol
02:13.00stonedsucks, I like it
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02:13.24dvsabrotman: how was your swim to work?
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02:13.37stonedhes at home now heh
02:13.48dabreegsterSwimming... Remind me to never again teach preschoolers how to swim.
02:13.49abrotmandvs: no swim .. lots of traffic
02:13.54stonedabrotman, thanks for the help with my resume, I appreciate it
02:13.54itchih00t: There's also an comercial thing 'cedega' to run $m games.
02:14.16stonedabrotman, you left before I could thank you
02:14.46stonedI don't know if I should admit this, but cedega is available at mininova
02:14.48abrotmanstoned: beer was calling :)
02:14.55stonedahh
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02:15.00stonedbeer, good
02:15.08abrotmanmm  .. beer
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02:15.53abrotmancows
02:15.57freeone3000Er. Same problem.
02:15.57stoned!moo
02:15.57dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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02:16.18abrotmanyou
02:16.26abrotmanyou'd be shocked
02:16.31stonedI got a rhyme, brew!
02:16.44abrotmanmoo .. brew ?
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02:16.47stonedwhy not
02:16.53stonedomg!
02:17.24stonedanother person from oklahoma
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02:17.32freeone3000stoned: Even with Option "RenderAccel" "true" and Option "CompositeWithGLX" "true" I'm still only getting GL 1.4, although it seems to be obvious I have 2.0, at least according to el
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02:17.38freeone3000YAY! netsplit!
02:17.38stonedfreeone3000, you don't need composite lol
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02:17.47freeone3000stoned: Mmkay. Well, what else should I try?
02:17.48stonedcompiz is for special effects etc. like transparency and stuff
02:18.09stonedfreeone3000, dunno, still thinking
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02:20.18EruditeHermithey, can anyone help me with a problem getting preload to install/uninstall. It is stuck and says subprocess pre-remove script returned error exit status 1.
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02:21.51abrotmanEruditeHermit: paste the error
02:21.54abrotmannot here
02:21.56abrotman!paster
02:21.56dpkgi guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
02:22.32predder!netsplit
02:22.32dpkgrumour has it, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated).
02:24.00EruditeHermitabrotman: one sec
02:24.09abrotmanwaiting ... ... ...
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02:24.35EruditeH1rmitabortman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/EJpbx638.html
02:24.45EruditeH1rmitabrotman: sorry that was for you
02:25.00CornelliusHi all
02:25.00CornelliusI would like to get into Debian
02:25.05abrotmani know .. i highlight on abortman :)
02:25.13stoned!d-i Cornellius
02:25.13abrotman!d-i Cornellius
02:25.13dpkgCornellius, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
02:25.17stonedjinx
02:25.22EruditeHermitabrotman: cool =p
02:25.22abrotmanyou owe me ... beer!
02:25.23freeone3000stoned: Any ideas?
02:25.33stonedfreeone3000, nah man, I'm kinda lost
02:25.35CornelliusI,m searching for a good Debian Manual or Documentation that I could print and read. Anyone knows a good place ?
02:25.36abrotmanEruditeH1rmit: whihc version ?
02:25.48abrotman!tell Cornellius about grounding
02:25.52abrotman!tell Cornellius about ig
02:26.09EruditeH1rmitabrotman: 0.2-6 to 0.2-7
02:26.18abrotmanCornellius: the refcard is nice if you're used to other linux distros
02:26.23shogunx!beer abrotman
02:26.25abrotmanEruditeH1rmit: sarge/etch/sid
02:26.32abrotmanshogunx: oh yeah .. like i need more :)
02:26.36shogunxheh
02:26.38abrotmanmmm .. lager
02:26.41EruditeH1rmitabrotman: sid
02:26.48abrotmanEruditeH1rmit: checked the bts?
02:26.58EruditeH1rmitabrotman: yep, no mention of any problems
02:27.05EruditeH1rmitabrotman: its been like this for a while
02:27.12EruditeH1rmitabrotman: 0.2-7 has even migrated to etch
02:27.20EruditeH1rmitit works fine on my etch boxes
02:27.26abrotmanbut not on sid ?
02:27.38EruditeH1rmitwell it just got stuck
02:27.45EruditeH1rmitfor some inexplicable reason
02:27.55EruditeH1rmithalf installed
02:28.05EruditeH1rmitand won't go either way
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02:28.18abrotmanhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368115
02:28.47abrotmanbut according ot the bts ... shouldbe fixed now
02:28.47predder<Cornellius> I would like to get into Debian <-- You seem to have made it here into #debian :)
02:28.54stonedEruditeH1rmit, apt-get install apt-listbugs
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02:29.26EruditeH1rmitstoned: its installed
02:29.41EruditeH1rmitabrotman: yeah that seems to be the issue
02:29.43stonedEruditeH1rmit, and did you read the bugs reports before continuing to install?
02:29.45CornelliusI'm thinking about installing Etch
02:29.48EruditeH1rmitstoned: yep =)
02:29.50stonedok
02:29.53stonedjust making sure :)
02:30.09abrotmanCornellius: you have two optoins .. use the sarge insatller .. then upgrde .. or use a daily etch installer
02:30.20stonedCornellius, if you are new to debian I would suggest stable/sarge
02:30.20EruditeH1rmitstoned: its fixed in the new version or supposedly
02:30.25stonedahh
02:30.28stonedword
02:30.34CornelliusWell, I have the 3 Etch Dvds
02:30.43abrotmanall three?
02:30.52abrotmanthey'll be obsolete by tomorrow :)
02:31.41CornelliusWhy's that ?
02:31.49abrotmanetch changes every day
02:32.05Cornelliusah
02:32.06abrotmanhttp://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html
02:32.10CornelliusSo, I should install Sarge
02:32.19Cornelliusand edit the sources.list ?
02:32.34abrotmanyou can use the etch installler
02:32.59CornelliusBecause I'd like to use the lastest Gnome and KDE...
02:33.15abrotmanit won't be the latest .. but it will be pretty new
02:33.22CornelliusI won't touch Sid
02:33.27abrotmangood plan
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02:33.42Cornelliusnot the newest but maybe
02:33.44shogunxis experimental named?
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02:33.57abrotmanshogunx: dirty word!
02:33.59Cornellius2.13 instead of 2.15 :)
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02:34.12abrotmani hope you meant 2.14
02:34.14shogunxheh heh.
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02:34.39EruditeH1rmitabrotman: ok, I fixed it by doing a dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/preload_0.2-7_i386.deb /
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02:34.44EruditeH1rmitabrotman: and then removing it
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02:34.54CornelliusIt was just an exemple
02:34.54CornelliusI know it wont be the newest
02:34.54Cornelliusbut it wont be far from that
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02:35.26EruditeH1rmitabrotman: thanks =)
02:35.38abrotmanCornellius: tracking etch is currently the same as testing .. but when etch is released as stable .. they will differ
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02:36.17abrotmanEruditeH1rmit: ok ... you're welcome :)
02:36.36Cornelliusabrotman: Which Kernel, KDE and Gnome you're using ?
02:36.50abrotmani don't touch kde
02:37.02abrotmangnome in etch is half 2.12 and 2.14
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02:37.13abrotmanand kernel in etch is 2.6.15
02:37.53CornelliusI've heard not to use Sid but that Etch was stable enough
02:38.04abrotman!sid upgrade
02:38.05dpkgRepeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.
02:38.07CornelliusWell, I'm going to install Sarge and come back to edit the sources.list
02:38.17abrotman!tell Cornellius about sarge->etch
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02:38.29Cornelliusabrotman: I Know all that
02:38.37abrotmanok
02:38.57predder!tell predder about sarge->etch
02:39.09witlessi'd like to rebuild a debian package, just changing one ./configure option from debian's default.  what's the easiest way to do that?
02:39.20abrotman!tell witless about source
02:39.31abrotmanwitless: find the rules file .. change what you want .. build the package
02:39.47witlessabrotman: thanks a lot
02:39.56abrotmandon't thank me until it works :)
02:40.31witlessok  :-)
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02:42.33witlessabrotman: i change rules just prior to dpkg-buildpackage, correct?
02:42.55abrotmanyou can change the rules before you build the .deb
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02:47.59cathey to everyone
02:48.29cathey Piggy
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02:50.16abrotmanPiggy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:50.53stoned3 little piggies to make a piggie pie, there's nothing like the sound of when you hear a piggie die, I might use a gun (NO!), I might use an AXE (YES!), the Carnival's in town, come and get your piggy snacks
02:51.24catlol
02:51.26abrotmanneil young?
02:51.31stonedInsane Clown Posse man
02:51.34stonedICP, whiteboy rap
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02:51.40itchi!coffee stoned
02:51.46stoneditchi, thanks
02:51.47stoned:)
02:51.53itchistoned: You need it :-)
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02:52.11stonedno actually I need to drink some more absolut and pass out so I can wake up and go to my interview on time tomorrow
02:52.14abrotmani hate it when my HDD makes that noise
02:52.21itchistoned: My cup just done, so you have also one :-)
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02:52.58stonedits 10 pm here man
02:53.04stonedI don't need coffee right now
02:53.05stonedhehe
02:53.15cati want to play billars tonight,
02:53.29abrotmanbilliards ?
02:53.38stonedfoobillard
02:53.47stonedor just apt-cache search billiard
02:53.53stonedor snooker/pool whatever
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02:54.01shogunxstoned  absolut!  is you bag empty?
02:54.02catlol
02:54.12cat!info billiard
02:54.13stonedshogunx, piss test coming up :(
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02:54.29shogunxpiss all over their floor.
02:54.47stonedI drink, and then I do aerobics for a while, sweat, and drink tons of water
02:54.54stonedI did this last year when I worked for cox
02:55.00stoned2 weeks tops, system is flushed clean
02:55.22abrotmanstoned: is there a call center in .ok ?
02:55.24shogunxi get worried when i have too much blood in my thc stream.
02:55.25stonedyes
02:55.39stonedaol is here, dell is here, cox is here, tons of other companies
02:55.50abrotmanshogunx: wtf have you been hiding anyways?
02:56.02stonedaol pays the most, and has the best benefits, BUT.. I hate aol. I wouldnt even consider applying there
02:56.26freeone3000Er. Yah. We noticed, lilo. :)
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02:56.29stonedplus i've heard bad stories about the aol call center, managers getting pissed and yelling at employees and ruckus and chaos in there
02:56.32stonedI don't doubt it
02:56.34cr3if I change .Xdefaults, do I need to restart X?
02:56.42abrotmanprobably
02:56.42shogunxabrotman, working on a project.  i get pretty focused.  i have a break for a few days, till the rest of the parts get in, so here i am.
02:56.52abrotmanaah ok
02:57.46cr3abrotman: is there another way around this problem?
02:57.51shogunxlots of soldering and such.
02:58.01stonedshogunx, what are you working on?
02:58.09abrotmancr3: i don't know the problem .. but restarting X won't kill you
02:58.13shogunxsolar terminal server.
02:58.16stonedooh
02:59.12shogunxshould be pretty cool when its done.
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03:01.08shogunxabrotman  unless your minitor is REALLY old, and the h and v freq's are way too high.  then it blows up and, in fact, kills you.
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03:01.22tctOk so I rember a while back I tried to install the debian netinstall on a older computer. It got setup but it didnt have a gui so then I did "apt-get install kde" and after that "startx" but x didnt start. So that was the end of me and debian. Now I am in a situation where I need a debian distro that is as uptodate as possible but wont break when I try to install new packages with apt-get.
03:01.22tctI just want a debian distro based off sarge that I can update some unstable packages especially libc6 if necessary. It has to have a gui like kde or gnome and preferably be known for good hardware support. Ubuntu looks good but the live cd dosent seem to based debian sarge. Also squashfs-tools support in the kernel would be a great plus.
03:01.23tctAnyone know of a good sarge based distro that has the above features?
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03:01.42abrotmanshogunx: LCD? :)
03:02.03abrotmantct: apt-get install x-window-system kdm
03:02.11shogunxit would have to be a monochrome jobby to do it.
03:02.17stoned!d-i tct
03:02.17dpkgtct, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
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03:02.26stonedtct, you could try using debian ETCH/testing
03:02.42stonedtct, its fairly new and not as unstable as sid, but not stable like sarge either
03:02.53stonedtct, but it is fairly stable enough, with newer software
03:03.03hintonehow to set the default video player for kde?
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03:03.12stonedhintone, join #kde
03:03.17tctstoned : does it come with kde?
03:03.26stonedhintone, konqueror > configuration > file ascociations
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03:03.51hintonestoned: thks.
03:03.54stonedhintone, or in konq. file browser, right lick the file, then open with, and when openwith dialog comes up, select your app, and click remember settings
03:04.02tctI want something that when i boot it it will autoconfig everything like ubutnu
03:04.14stonedtct, then you won't like debian
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03:04.15tctand boot straight into x
03:04.20pourriture_tct, try ubuntu :)
03:04.35streuneryeah
03:04.36stonedtct, maybe you should try to learn how to use linux so you don't bother people where you don't have to
03:04.41tctdoes  ubuntu have a sarge release?
03:04.42hintonestoned: the second method would have to been carried out for each individual file?
03:04.59streunertct: /j #linux
03:05.00tctstoned : yeah time = money
03:05.09streunertct: we support debian here
03:05.14stonedhintone, use kcontrol > kde components > file ascoc.
03:05.22stonedtct, you are suggesting our time is less important than yours?
03:05.27stonedtct, such arrogance
03:05.32stonedtsk tsk.
03:05.55nautiazn85<PROTECTED>
03:06.07stonedhintone, go to the video section, and you will have to modify the player for each file type, but all file types are listed under video
03:06.11tctstoned : taking time to learn all these things when all i need is a distro with kde or gnome with squashfs-tools in the kernel
03:06.12numistnautiazn85: cat /proc/cpuinfo
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03:06.30stonedtct, #ubuntu
03:06.30nautiazn85numist: thanks
03:06.32tctbut I am supposed to spend weeks/monts/years learning to use linux for that?
03:06.49tctstoned ok
03:06.55hintonestoned: thks again.
03:07.07stonedtct, you CAN try knoppix live cd, then install knoppix on your harddisk
03:07.22stonedtct, I think knoppix would be best for you if you are looking for auto conf stuff
03:07.27itchiGuys look to this crazy thing, an barbeque with an computer :-/  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8732604138796018977&q=x86-secret
03:07.41stonedtct, #knoppix
03:08.06streunerwth have you smoked?
03:08.08tctstoned : ok.
03:08.15stonedstreuner, me?
03:08.22itchistreuner: I just getted the link
03:08.51streunerstoned: what are you running?
03:08.54stonedsid
03:09.04streunerand you suggest him something else?
03:09.15stonedstreuner, he doesn't want to use debian, or take the time to learn linux
03:09.22stonedstreuner, scroll up before you start on me
03:09.23stoned:)
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03:11.06streunerif somebody doesn't have time to learn he shouldn't run any OS
03:11.25tctstoned can I pm you?
03:11.27stonedstreuner, I agree. But I try not to be useless
03:11.30stonedtct, no
03:11.55hintonehow about recommending a video editor for debian etch?
03:12.11freeone3000lives?
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03:12.16stonedhintone, apt-cache search video|grep editor
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03:12.34itchiI not really agree with that movie if you want to know
03:12.42hintonewill gimp be up to the job?
03:12.51stonedgimp is an image editor
03:13.09stoned(G) Image Maniplulation Program
03:13.11stoned!gimp
03:13.11dpkgThe GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. http://gimp.org/  GIMP has grown completely un-intutive to work with. The most simple task requires cumbersome manual reading.
03:13.30hintonestoned: with an extra add-on, which i can't recall the name, it can handle video too.
03:13.32freeone3000No, they don't.
03:13.37stonedhintone, I did not know that
03:13.39freeone3000All you have to do is know how to click and ctrl-z
03:13.46freeone3000After a few minutes, you're good to do pretty much everything.
03:13.58stonedfreeone3000, what are you on about?
03:14.04freeone3000stoned: I'm talking to the bot.
03:14.15stoned?
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03:15.09freeone3000bout the gimp
03:15.19stonedoh
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03:16.08hintonefreeone3000: u know about the extension to gimp to do video editing?
03:16.29freeone3000GAG or something? I thought that was more for animations.
03:16.40freeone3000GAP.
03:16.58hintoneyeh, GAP it is.
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03:18.28itchipourriture: Change of nick pleas!!!
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03:19.25hintonei have installed php5 but apache2 is using php4. it is using the config file /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini. how to make apache2 use php5?
03:19.44freeone3000vim /etc/apache2/modules.conf
03:19.46pink1So something is iffy with my 3D acceleration (I think?).  nvidia drivers are loaded (X.Org 7.0) and Quake 3 plays fine, but other games have major graphical glitchiness whereas they didn't, oh, a week or two ago.
03:20.00freeone3000Hnn. Same here. stoned? Any clue?
03:20.03itchihintone: Is the mod php5 also installed
03:20.14pourriture_itchi, why change nick?
03:20.24pink1What should I do to run some sort of diagnostic on my graphics acceleration to find what might be the problem?
03:20.37pink1Could the upgrade from X.Org 6.9 --> 7.0 have anything to do with this?
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03:20.56buliobulio@pybox:~$ bittorrent
03:20.57buliobash: bittorrent: command not found
03:21.01itchipourriture: Are you not an French guy? If i tak an nick like dick/crap or somethings else ...
03:21.02bulioeven though bittorrent is installed
03:21.25buliowhere can I launch it another way
03:22.00bulioanyone?
03:22.10itchihintone: Is the file 'libapache-mod-php5' installed ?
03:22.17itchis/file/package
03:22.32buliohuh?
03:22.35itchibulio: whereis bittorrent
03:23.01itchibulio: Do that command to try to find where the bin of it is located
03:23.09buliobulio@pybox:~$ /usr/share/bittorrent
03:23.11bulionow what?
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03:23.43pourriture_itchi, I am not french but I am an oenophile and I took the nick as a play on words for the term "pourriture noble" whcih refers to the nastiness that results in the saurternes dessert wine (which is very sweet and prized highly) ... sorry if it offended you, but I have been using it on IRC since 1994 and it is not likely to change
03:23.44itchibulio: /usr/share/bittorrent ?? Is that been the bin of it ? Have you install it manually without the deb?
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03:24.01hologrambulio: are you trying to run the python official bittorrent release?
03:24.02bulionope
03:24.09buliohologram: yes
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03:24.15buliofrom the .deb in the debian repos
03:24.16hologrambulio: try launchmanycurses.py
03:24.30buliofor bittorrent-gui?
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03:24.36tonybaloneyokay, something really odd is happening to my Debian laptop
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03:24.45itchipourriture: Keep, it, it's your choose, just that it's looks verry ... for some guys :-/
03:24.47tonybaloneyI have a Netgear MA 401 wireless card
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03:24.55hologrambulio: they didnt install into a dir in your $PATH ?
03:25.02buliodon't think so
03:25.03carsonhi. need some help: i can't seem to get lighttpd to run at boot. if i do './etc/rc2.d/S80lighttpd start' it works fine. any thoughts?
03:25.08buliobittorrent gives me cmd not found
03:25.14tonybaloneyand the interface name recently changed from eth0 to wlan0 and now i can't access any wireless networks
03:25.24pourriture_itchi, thank you for your indulgence :)
03:25.33tonybaloneyiwconfig wlan0 essid whatever does nothing
03:25.33hologrambulio: you using bash?
03:26.03itchipourriture: I was a bit confussed by viewing your nick lol.
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03:26.43zog-vslany way to get the php in sarge working with mysql-4.1 easily?
03:26.57pourriture_itchi, not a prob ... I know it is odd ... but it has a history with me ...
03:27.44itchipourriture: So if you get some time strange reactions, you know why ;-)
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03:28.58itchihintone: find it? it's looks i have that filename of the package for the apache, you need the apache2 module. Just scrolled back again
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03:30.52pourriture_so anyway ... netserve lh4 ... netraid-4m ... driver to install debian.  I am not looking for an answer, but if anyone here is familiar with the issues involved I sure would like to talk to them
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03:33.58jamesddoes debian ship with RBAC enabled by default?
03:34.26stonedwhat is rbac
03:34.34jamesdrole based access control
03:34.46stonedoh I dunno
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03:35.03jamesdso i can have a user that can only create  users but has no other powers usually associated with root.
03:37.11pourriture_jamesd, I don't know the answer ... but I thank you for giving me something new to look at ... that looks like it might be fun to play with
03:37.56jamesdpourriture apparently its only part of the debian hardened project...  i'm just spoiled i guess.. solaris has it on by default.
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03:40.33pourriture_jamesd, I only do small scale admin stuff for small companies ... but I like knowing what is out there ... and that looks like a gem
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03:44.54carsoncan someone help me figure out why a startup script isn't being run?
03:45.10B1GfOoti can sure try
03:45.11B1GfOot:P
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03:45.16carsoni have it in rc2.d and linked up correctly.
03:45.37B1GfOotwhat number do you have the script in there as?
03:45.40carsonis there a bootlog i can check? i can't see the server as it boots so it's hard for me to figure out what's going on.
03:45.43B1GfOotand is it under S or K
03:45.44carsonS80
03:46.07B1GfOotS80 hmmmmm
03:46.08B1GfOotwoah
03:46.08B1GfOotthat was a lot of quitting
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03:46.17pourriture_and are you booting to 2?
03:46.17carsonyeah.
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03:46.36pourriture_wow ... that was a fun ride ...
03:46.40carsonyeah, i am. $runlevel -> 2
03:46.43B1GfOotit was ay, ive got head spins
03:47.25B1GfOotand youve got the script symlinking to init.d directory?
03:47.29carsonyeah
03:47.36B1GfOothmmm i'm stumped too
03:47.49carsonis there a logfile that records the boot?
03:47.50pourriture_carson, sorry ... I know that is a "did you turn it off and on again" type question ... but had to ask
03:47.58carsonyeah. i rebooted. :-)
03:48.06pourriture_dmesg
03:48.10pourriture_no?
03:48.25carsoni don't thing dmesg records daemon starting
03:49.02carson'cat /var/log/* | grep lighttpd' gives nothing
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03:50.10streunercarson: is that package in debian?
03:50.27carsonit's in unstable. it's definitely installed.
03:50.42streunercarson: so what does BTS say?
03:50.55carsonthe weird thing is if i run /etc/rc2.d/lighttpd start it works fine.
03:51.01carsonwhat is bts?
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03:51.13streuner!bts
03:51.14dpkgbts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/
03:51.19pourriture_I have drifted to using daemontools to handle services ... cause my wife is trying to convert me to freeBSD ... so I have all my service logs somewhere else.  Stupid women ... always trying to change you
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03:53.25dondelelcaropourriture_: convert her to kFreeBSD.
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03:53.45carsoni don't see anything in bts that applies.
03:54.31dondelelcarocarson: it sounds suspiciously like you're talking about #375347
03:54.44streuner!dbugs 375347
03:54.47pink1Is it possible that upgrading X.Org from 6.9 -> 7.0 could cause my 3D acceleration to be messed up?  I've got a GeForce 6800 GT and before upgrading X.Org I was passing Cedega's "OpenGL Direct Rendering" test and now I'm not....
03:54.48dpkgDONE:#375347:G[lighttpd] invoke-rc.d: initscript lighttpd, action "start" failed; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:33:02 UTC
03:54.55carsonmy start action works fine
03:55.07dondelelcarocarson: so what's the problem then?
03:55.09carsoni had to tweak the script a bit so that it worked on my debian stable
03:55.22carsondondelelcaro: problem is it won't start on a BOOT
03:55.23pink1And that means I can't play certain games without graphical glitching (GTA:VC, UT2003), but other run fine (Quake 3).
03:55.28pourriture_dondelelcaro, good idea ... the fatal flaw is that she is my wife and she is the keeper of all female pleasures ... so I must lose the small battles like which OS r0x0rs
03:56.12dondelelcaropourriture_: doesn't have to be a battle; you can get her to start working on kfreebsd...
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03:56.38dondelelcaroof course, that could remove any free time and life that your wife may have... but...
03:57.04dondelelcarofrom my experience those are overrated anyway
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03:58.04dondelelcarocarson: are you in runlevel 2? what gets output in daemon.log or syslog or whever you're logging these things? What happens when you telinit 1; then telinit 2; ?
03:58.37debiankeeper of all female pleasures....
03:58.38carsondondelelcaro: yeah i'm in runlevel 2. nothing gets output in any log. let me try the telinit thing.
03:58.47ThomasPorterIs there a way to log download/uploads used up?
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03:59.21dondelelcarocarson: note that telinit 1 will take you to single user mode, if you didn't know already.
03:59.28carsonyeah just found that out.
03:59.30carsoncrud.
03:59.32dondelelcaroThomasPorter: yes, there are quite a number of different ways
03:59.39carsongotta call the server guys now. :-)
03:59.47nirupardon me I want to know that when I import gtk for writing python program I am able to do that but tkinter is not there which should exist by default
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04:00.08ThomasPorterdondelelcaro, is there anyway to make it have fancy little pictures that display in grome :-)
04:00.19dondelelcaro!munin
04:00.20dpkgmunin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/example/ping.uio.no/else.ping.uio.no.html FE.
04:00.42dondelelcaroThomasPorter: see munin for starters; otherwise, try gkrellm or look-alikes.
04:00.46ThomasPorterdondelelcaro, cheers
04:00.59pourriture_pink1, I know this is ancient ... but it still makes me laugh ... http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/02/ati_ascii.html
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04:04.33netcatcgood Evening All
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04:05.22pink1pourriture_: Why send that link to me?
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04:06.05pourriture_pink1, your stuff about gl gaming in linux reminded me of the whole accelerated nethack thing
04:06.31CornelliusI have just installed Sarge
04:06.41CornelliusHowever, the resolution is way too big
04:06.46CornelliusHow can I change it ^
04:06.48Cornellius?
04:07.03streuner!drxx Cornellius
04:07.03dpkgCornellius: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
04:07.16pink1Ah, well, I'm having issues with 3D acceleration... I think maybe updating X.Org from 6.9 to 7.0 may be the culprate
04:07.46pink1I don't know how to tell, though.
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04:10.36ThomasPorterdondelelcaro, I installed gkrellm; although it doesn't appear to log uploads/downloads... you know, so I know when we are near reaching download limits.
04:11.06pourriture_pink1, I take the easy route and game in windows ... but ... I use tuxracer >> ppracer as my basic test for 3d acceleration ... I don't know if trying that might give you some clues , but it is a cute game if nothing else
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04:12.08dansushihello, i am new to debian, and i would like to know what one uses to install programs easily. I would like to install xchat, and i know you need GTK environment first, but i am having trouble with it. Is there an easy installer program on debian that could be compared to urpmi on mandriva? (I just came from mandriva)
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04:12.29wolsdansushi: apt-get x-chat on the console
04:12.38wolsor aptitude or synaptic.
04:12.49dansushido i need to set up  apt-get?
04:13.02wolsth install already set apt-get up for youchat
04:13.06wols-chat
04:13.53anibalwols: apt-get update; apt-get install x-chat
04:13.54pink1pourriture_: I've got too many of my games working under GNU/Linux to warrant having a Windows installation at all.
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04:14.16dansushiok, thanks a lot
04:14.29wolsanibal: when you have just installed, the update should already have been done
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04:14.57pourriture_pink1, do you have BF2 working? I haven't seen a good way to do that ... but would love it if I could
04:14.58dansushiwols: i have a couple of other problems, as i just installed it, and i just wanted xchat to be on it so i wouldn't have to jump over to my other computert
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04:16.09SerajewelKSwhy does debian's qemu not come with video.x?
04:16.46pourriture_dansushi, apt-get remove --purge other-problems ... LOL
04:16.56pourriture_that was a weak attempt at a joke
04:17.03SerajewelKS!beat pourriture_
04:18.13pourriture_friends don't let friends drink and IRC
04:18.22pink1pourriture_: I don't like Battlefield myself, but I know it's playable under GNU/Linux using Cedega
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04:18.46tctummm can I open the iso images and put in any files I feel like or should I leave it alone?
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04:19.02pink1pourriture_: Version 1.22 is the best to use under Cedega, but if you have that version it apparently has no problems running
04:19.15tctspecifically refering to the netinstall iso
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04:20.23pink1pourriture_: http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/images/e/e4/Battlefield2-pic1.jpg
04:21.28pourriture_pink1, I will look at that ... bf2 is my game of choice cause of the company that I keep ... I am more of a social gamer than a 1337-pWn*
04:21.42pink1pourriture_: Anyway, many Windows-only games I love work either with WINE or Cedega, including GTA, GTA3, GTA:VC, GTA:SA, Max Payne, Deus Ex, Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Steam, etc.
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04:22.54dansushi[deb]in apt-get, how do you search for the name of an install?
04:23.00pink1pourriture_: Well I enjoy single player games most of all, and I've been very happy getting all of my favorite games working near flawlessly (not to mention things like FCE Ultra, ZSNES, and ScummVM having native GNU/Linux versions)...
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04:23.49pink1But indeed, many multiplayer games work... I was playing Counter-Strike 1.6 in Steam just a bit ago using WINE, and UT2004 and every id Software related game have native GNU/Linux versions
04:23.57pink1Enough to keep *me* happy, anyway.
04:23.59zog-vslwhat was that site that has older debs available?
04:25.30pourriture_my wife plays civ4 and oblivion ... I will pass the transgaming link to her ... if it works in FreeBSD
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04:27.52marvelExecuting Admin Mod config file
04:27.52marvelMaster server communication disabled.
04:27.56marvelQui Jun 29 23:24:34 BRT 2006: Server Quit
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04:28.00marvelwhat should I do?
04:28.06pourriture_pink1, here is wife in bf2 ... http://bf2s.com/player/44102103/  ... she likes that ok too
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04:29.18orcdestroyerExecuting Admin Mod config file
04:29.20orcdestroyerMaster server communication disabled.
04:29.21orcdestroyerQui Jun 29 23:24:34 BRT 2006: Server Quit
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04:29.26orcdestroyerwhat should I do?
04:29.43ram_einsteinMy debian now resides on an LVM implementation with 6 logical drives and /boot as a seperate logical drive outside it. My problem is that whenever I try to activate the logical volume and boot into /, the kernel says "Incorrect metadata area header checcksum" although everything seems to be fine. What should I do?
04:30.16orcdestroyerI was try to create a server of counter-strike at my work place
04:30.34orcdestroyerwhen I close the SSH... the server close after
04:30.38ram_einsteinit also happens when I try any LVM tool on the LVM implementation
04:30.41orcdestroyerI don't know what to do
04:30.53shogunxorcdestroyer, try screen
04:31.13orcdestroyershogunx what you mean?
04:31.17ram_einsteinI think it has something to do with a dirty windoze cd inserted into the drive by mistake and booted into.
04:31.24ram_einsteinorcdestroyer: GNU screen is a wm
04:31.28ram_einsteindownload it and learn to use it
04:31.29shogunxorcdestroyer, run the application in a 'screen'
04:31.35ram_einsteinit'll solve the problem
04:31.35shogunxits the name of an app.
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04:32.41ram_einsteinorcdestroyer: remember that screen is NOT an X wm and won't handle the apps you tunnel through X
04:33.18orcdestroyerokay
04:33.36pink1orcdestroyer: "screen ./hlds_run -game cstrike"
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04:34.02pink1orcdestroyer: Then, hit Ctrl+A+D to exit the screen back to the prompt
04:34.28pink1orcdestoryer: Then you'll have a process called "screen" running in the background with HLDS doing it's thing
04:34.30ram_einsteinMy debian resides on an LVM implementation. My problem is that whenever I try to activate the LVM and boot into /, the kernel says "Incorrect metadata area header checcksum" although everything seems to be fine. What should I do? It happens also when I use LVM tools on my LVM
04:34.32orcdestroyerthanks
04:34.37orcdestroyerpink1 ;]
04:34.37pink1Then you can logout/close your SSH session
04:34.52pink1orcdestroyer: Then when you log back in in a new SSH session
04:34.56ram_einsteinorcdestroyer: to reattch the screen, screen -R
04:35.02pink1orcdestroyer: Type this: "screen -x"
04:35.06pink1screen -R?
04:35.17ram_einsteinreattach
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04:35.34nuixhow get back to prompt from the game Enemy Territory ?
04:35.35ram_einsteinscreen -r
04:35.36ram_einsteinsorry
04:35.38pink1hrm, I've always used screen -x because then multiple users connected on other SSH sessions can also use it with you
04:35.44fdsdHey guys, I am really new to awk, I was wondering how to get filter lines 20 and 30 of my /etc/passwd file, and only print $4 and $1, this is what I have so far awk -F":" '{ print $4 " " $1 }' /etc/passwd
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04:35.52ram_einsteinpink1: right
04:36.02mcgrofI'm fighting with /etc/auto.smb on unstable. Anyone know where I specify the host?
04:36.06pink1So I've found screen -x more useful for reattaching
04:36.20mcgrofUnfortunately the documenation is non-existant for it
04:36.23pink1I suppose, orcdestoryer, if you are the only admin on that server, go ahead and use screen -r
04:36.31ram_einsteinfdsd: you just want to print the first and 4th lines?
04:36.49fdsdram_einstein, words
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04:37.03fdsdram_einstein, but only filter lines 20 and 30
04:37.10ram_einsteinfdsd: sorry, I don't know
04:37.22ram_einsteinask in #sed and #awk
04:37.50fdsdawk -F: 'NR == 20 || NR == 30 {print $3 " " $2}' /etc/passwd
04:37.53fdsdthis maybe?
04:38.14fdsdsub 3 and 2 with 4 and 1
04:38.15fdsdlol
04:38.18ram_einsteinI only know sed, not awk
04:38.58ram_einsteinHow do I fix an LVM's metadata area header checksum?
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04:39.58pourriture_somebody said it was awkward to know sed and not awk ..... HAHAHAHA
04:41.23pourriture_said sed awk awkward ..... wow ... I think I am funny
04:41.40stonedannoying is more like it
04:41.43shogunxda dum, ching!
04:42.11Gneayay, it's a rhyme. pffft
04:42.13stonedwhere have you been hiding?
04:42.16Gneastoned: sup foo
04:42.23Gneaworking :)
04:42.25stonedahh
04:42.37stonedyou won't believe what happened to me today
04:43.09Gneayou heard a really bad joke?
04:43.36pourriture_it was a palindrome
04:43.44stonedI was going outside to check my mail, without a shirt, and yes I train gracie jui-jitsu 4 days a week so I am slightly built. Anyway, I saw this cute lil girl walking her dog, and I just went up and started petting the puppy and talked to her.  Then I asked her if she was married or has a boy friend, she said no, I said you should let me take you out sometime, and she said YES!
04:44.12Gneanice
04:44.13stonedshe livesin my apt complex, next building over
04:44.31konfuzedhmmmmmmm maybe you should all try some death by chocolate http://chocolate.org/misc/chocolate-assassin.html
04:44.37shogunx6 months later, stoned wonders where all his money went...
04:45.00stonedheh
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04:45.09Gneaheh, my cat just jumped on my lap and started a fight
04:45.15shogunxand why the dog keeps waking him up to go out:)
04:45.24stonedshe is so cute though man
04:45.27stoneddamn!
04:45.34shogunxoh, do not let me discourage you.
04:45.43stonedoh trust me, you can't
04:45.49stonedmy mind stopped working this afternoon
04:45.49konfuzedstoned, get her while she is still thinkin of your pecs
04:45.57stonedI started thinking with my uhm.. other head
04:46.11pourriture_stoned, is that not too close? I have been out of the dating game for many years ...  but as I remember proximity and the odds that a chick is a psycho-freak is a direct correlation
04:46.27stonedpourriture, I am not looking to get married or have a gf man
04:46.28shogunxnotwithstanding anything else, it is the biological imperative of penguins to reproduce.  otherwise, the world would be completely full of idiots, instead of 98% full with them.
04:46.31shogunx:)
04:46.32Gneapourriture_: depends on the environment
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04:47.05stonedI have notice a lack of decent males in oklahoma, and the women seem to be desperate for decent guys
04:47.06pourriture_stoned, right ... she is on the same page?
04:47.17dansushi[deb]does anyone know how to search for the name of an install in apt-get?
04:47.21stonedI talked to her for 15 minutes, I don't know her enough yet
04:47.29Gneadansushi[deb]: apt-cache search something
04:47.31gravitydansushi[deb]: apt-cache search
04:47.31stoned!search
04:47.31dpkgi heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo.  To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>.
04:47.34dansushi[deb]thanks
04:47.36shogunxwell hit that ass then, stoned!
04:47.38konfuzedstoned, then you better make a move while she still has your scent acting on her hormones
04:47.46gravitydansushi[deb]: You should read the apt-cache manpage actually. It's an incredibly useful command for many things.
04:48.01stonedguys, thanks, will do
04:48.02stoned:)
04:48.08stonedbut yeah, I am happy :D
04:48.09konfuzedoh dont forget the chocolate
04:48.12dansushi[deb]ok, i will
04:48.21konfuzedlots of dark chocolate
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04:50.07Gneafuck
04:50.19predderwhat?
04:50.25shogunx!fuck
04:50.26dpkgsomebody said fuck was a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav
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04:52.12Gneapourriture_: you could stand your ground instead of letting your gf make you switch to freebsd ;)
04:52.16dabreegsterstoned: Is it fun for somebody somewhat in shape? jiu-jitsu that is.
04:52.40shogunxor just root her fbsd box.
04:53.46pourriture_shogunx, as much fun as rooting the bsd box would be ... I prefer to continue rooting her other box
04:53.55shogunxheh
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04:55.00shogunxok.  here is your solution.  run a xen instance of bsd, with its output reaching the actual console.
04:55.15shogunxthen she thinks you are running bsd.
04:55.27shogunxand you get even more of her other box.
04:55.59shogunxwhile still enjoying all the priveleges of penguinhood.
04:56.43pourriture_shogunx, you have found the solution
04:57.16shogunxwhy make a fight when a simple illusion will do;)
04:57.25pourriture_I make a honeypot so that I have access to the honeypot ... how elegant
04:57.40shogunxhehe
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05:02.10pourriture_anyway ... she got a new box in today ... and I am going to get her old athlon64 box for my linux machine ... should I run a 64 kernel or a k7 kernel?
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05:02.52pourriture_on sarge
05:02.55pourriture_btw
05:03.21stoneddabreegster, yes.  Lots of fun, because you have to REALLY use your mind, its the most technical fighthing style.  Especially Gracie Jui-Jitsi (brazillian).  Sometimes I get to sparr with girls too :)
05:03.38navaladiw00b
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05:03.56stoneddabreegster, my only beef is, I don't like to wear my Gi, because then apponent can grab hold of it and try submission moves
05:04.04stonedI don't mind if others wear it, but I won't
05:04.45pourriture_stoned, it helps if the female sparring partners fight topless too
05:04.45dabreegsterstoned: I might try it out. I'm sometimes an exercise freak with swimming, and I can do >10 chin-ups, but a formal style would be nice.
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05:05.23stonedactually juijitsu works you out more than anything else really, during fighting
05:05.33polishkoopI'm using debian sarge kernel 2.4 and I'm trying to get the java jdk installed on my system.  I've been told it's not good to just run the .bin file, but  do apt-get install java-package method.  But when I get to fakeroot make-jpkg <file> it fails near the end.  Should I just do it the first way?
05:05.49stonedyou have to constanly apply pressure using differen muscle groups, its almost like iso(tropic?) muscle excercise
05:05.58stonedsince you are constantly relaxing and flexing muscles
05:06.24stonedpolishkoop, paste the error somewhere
05:07.08stonedpolishkoop, you should do it the debian way.  Paste the error it givs when it fails on pastebin
05:07.50dabreegsterstoned: I'm reading through an exercise guide and I just realized I successfully skipped many steps, which surprises me.
05:08.22stoneddabreegster, it also helps if you're 150lbs, you can move faster than someone who is heavier
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05:08.44polishkoopstoned: when I send.... nothing happens.
05:08.50dabreegsterstoned: I fit the skinny stereotype, I'll have no problem
05:09.28pourriture_stoned, how tall are you?
05:09.45stonedI am not 150 btw if that is why you want to know
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05:10.30stonedI weigh 173 lbs, with 11~% body fat
05:10.56stonedor 12 -13% but not more, I had a physical done a few months ago
05:11.02pourriture_so you are around 6 feet
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05:11.21stoned5'11
05:11.27pourriture_so you are around 6 feet
05:11.34stoned5'11
05:11.37pourriture_I was close
05:11.42stonedindeed
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05:11.55stonedpolishkoop, what do you mean?  Just copy the error and paste it in pastebin
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05:12.08niruHow can I send a file to show the error i got through X-chat
05:12.13polishkoopstoned: yah i click send and it just stays on the same screen.  Doesn't go through.
05:12.22stonedpastebin.com sucks
05:12.24stoned!paster
05:12.24dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
05:12.37ThomasPorterDoes GKrellM still log uploads/downloads when the GUI is gone?
05:12.38stonedI prefer http://channels.debian.net/paste/
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05:13.15pourriture_I am 5'8" and 165-170 .... lean everywhere except beer belly ... trying to decide whether I like 155 lbs or beer better
05:13.16polishkoopstoned: one thing... should i be making it in /usr/local?
05:13.20polishkoopstoned: is that the problem?
05:13.30nirucan i paste a report generated after lsb test here
05:13.31stonedpolishkoop, no
05:13.38stonedpolishkoop, look
05:13.40stoned!java package
05:13.40dpkg[java package] <replay> see java-package
05:13.43orcdestroyerwhat is the best... computer engineer or science of computer ?
05:13.45stoned!java-package
05:13.45dpkghmm... java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;
05:13.57orcdestroyer<PROTECTED>
05:13.59orcdestroyerin channel
05:14.06stonedpolishkoop, there is no need to do anything but what the bot says
05:14.27polishkoopstoned: yah i have used that.  But where should the .bin file be when i use it?
05:14.35stonedpolishkoop, it doesn't matter
05:15.22polishkoopstoned: okay i just posted my error
05:15.31stonedpolishkoop, make-jpkg will extract the .bin file of java in /tmp, and then proceed to copy files and do its thing and produce a .deb file, which is a debian package, and THAT is wha tyou install with dpkg -i
05:15.47stonedALL you need to do with the java.bin file is put it somewhere and tell make jpkg to use it
05:15.59stonedthat is all, there is no need to unpack the .bin in /usr/local or anything
05:16.16stonedpolishkoop, maybe you would like to give the URL/link to the place where you pasted
05:16.40polishkoophttp://channels.debian.net/paset/2980
05:16.44pourriture_orcdestroyer, Bill Gates is the richest man in the USA and he has no degree at all ... he quit college after a year ... not that Bill is a role model ... but he does prove that you can make your way in the world without a degree in your field ... or any degree at all
05:17.07polishkoopstoned: sry i spelled paste wrong
05:17.36orcdestroyerpourriture hum
05:17.43ThomasPorter!
05:19.04pourriture_I make my living as a "consultant" who has linux and windows skill to a small level ... my degree is in engineering ... my wife doubled in biology and english ... and she is my business partner
05:19.44gravitypourriture_: Your wife is woman after my own heart
05:19.49pourriture_just sayin' the degree/cert may not be as important as what you actually know
05:19.56stonedpolishkoop, yeh, i fixed it :) anyway, just download the bin file of java. then make a ~/tmp or whatever, copy the bin file there.  then do fakeroot make-jpkg ~/tmp/javfilename.bin and it will make a java package.deb file in ~/tmp.  then simply install the deb.  I don't kow wtf you are doing with /usr/local.  Looks like you placed the bin file there and then used fakeroot, then obviously you won't have permission to write there
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05:20.26stonedpolishkoop, or if you want to keep it the way it is, just don't use fakeroot and try to make-jpgk as root
05:20.54polishkoopstoned: no it wont let me as root, I'll do the temp thing hold on.
05:21.03pourriture_gravity, she is absolute hell to deal with ... she knows mitochondria and shakespeare ... I have a hard time keeping up
05:21.13gravitypourriture_: Hehe
05:21.55stonedpolishkoop, you know if you use a little sense and use what dpkg bot tells you then you should be fine.  I've never had a problem with java package making
05:22.04stonedpolishkoop, are you on sarge or what?
05:22.11polishkoopstoned: yup
05:22.17stonedpolishkoop, I think testing/sid have javapackages in them
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05:22.48stoned!info sun-java5-jre
05:22.52dpkgsun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-06-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7169 kB, Installed size: 15568 kB
05:23.10stoned!tell polishkoop -about simple sid backport
05:23.15pourriture_gravity, but that is the way in the POSIX world ... it is grammar ... windows is mechanics ... most *nix folks have more catholic interests and background than their MCSE counterparts
05:23.17stonedmaybe you can backport it from sid
05:23.23stonedif all else fails
05:23.23niruwhere can I include my lsb runtime test report for channel viewrs to assist me
05:23.32gravityhehe
05:23.45stoned!paster niru
05:23.45dpkgniru: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
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05:24.03robyAnyone know a way i can move a symbolic link but preserve what it points to?
05:24.09nirudpkg:tank you
05:24.42ThomasPorterI rarly see people thank the bot.
05:24.49ThomasPorterHis un-apresiated
05:25.00ThomasPorterHe might just move to another channel :O
05:25.03dabreegsterroby: You can just do it. It'll work.
05:25.21dabreegsterroby: Or do you mean renaming what a symbolic link points to, and having all the links point to the new thing?
05:26.00TiMiDo!lart pourriture
05:26.02stonedpourriture, is this going to get inappropriate at all? this is #debian
05:26.11Gneapourriture_: you are a very disturbed person.
05:26.37pourriture_Gnea, I prefer the term ecclectic
05:26.45Gneapourriture_: that's nice.
05:26.52stonedI wouldn't use the word nubile for my own sister though man, the word has a negative connotation somewhat
05:27.04robydabreegster: /foo/bar/me -> /foo/bar/you .... i want to move /foo/bar/me to /some/where/me but still have it point to /foo/bar/you
05:27.15pourriture_stoned, I don't have a sister ... that made it easier for me
05:27.19Gnearoby: try it and see
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05:27.23dabreegsterroby: Then just move it. It should point to the same thing
05:27.25stonedpourriture, drop it
05:27.28robyit didn't update
05:27.39robyit thinks you should be in the local dir
05:27.42dabreegsterroby: What do you mean 'update'?
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05:28.25dabreegsterroby: Ah, I see what you mean. It has to be a full path already. Hmm.
05:28.28robyi mean that i have a bunch of wav files
05:28.35robyk
05:29.00polishkoopstoned: thanks, it works now.  I'm new to linux
05:29.01robyyeah, it won't update referential path
05:29.05dabreegsterroby: You could write a script to move them. And know to use full paths in the future if it'll be a constant thing
05:29.22aidanis anyone here from germany? I need you to ping a server for me
05:29.35robydabreegster: k
05:29.36stonedpolishkoop, you're welcome
05:29.36robythanks
05:29.45stonedpolishkoop, which method did you use, backport or make jpkg
05:30.29polishkoopstoned: make jpkg, what was wrong was that it was in /usr/local.  I put it there because I was trying to figure out hwo to to it manually with a friend and... it just ended up there.
05:30.45stonedpolishkoop, I told you the reason for the error :)
05:31.03polishkoopstoned: yeah actually when I thought about it I kind of saw that too.
05:31.13stonedwell glad it works now
05:31.19stonedhave fun with java bloatware :D
05:31.22polishkoopstoned: but again I am pretty new with linux, that was the first time i ever used make-jpkg
05:31.34stonedpolishkoop, its all good here is something that might help
05:31.40niruI have uploaded my lsb runtime test report URL:http://pastebin.ca/75439 Please check and give remarks
05:31.40stoned!tell polishkoop -about grounding
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05:32.17ThomasPorter!man xhost
05:32.21polishkoopstoned: kk i'll write that down, good night
05:32.25stonednight
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05:33.28niruhi Halitherses
05:33.35Halitherseshi
05:33.39stonedniru, I have no idea
05:33.39niruI have uploaded my lsb runtime test report URL:http://pastebin.ca/75439 Please check and give remarks
05:33.54stonedhttp://pastebin.ca/75439
05:34.11HalithersesWhy I am getting this error when i apt-get update? W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
05:34.15stonedthe link isn't clickable in irc, put a space after : :D
05:34.50ThomasPorter!paster
05:34.50dpkgi guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
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05:35.32stoned!tell Halitherses -about 2006 key
05:35.55stonedHalitherses, its in the topic
05:36.23pourriture_!tell pourriture -about 2006 key
05:36.23nirudpkg:Yes I have uploaded my report in pastebin.ca then where is the mistake
05:36.24dpkgniru: that's too long
05:36.33stoned!tell pourriture -about msg the bot
05:36.48stonedniru, dpkg is a bot
05:37.01pourriture_that failed to work the way I hoed it would
05:37.11stonedniru, if and when someone knows and looks at it, they will reply.  You can try ##linux in the meantime
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05:38.14nirustoned: How can I know  that I got a reply from someone
05:38.33stonedniru, they will address you in the channel
05:38.49stonedniru, you can try asking later if you don't get a reply right now
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05:40.24Halithersesi installed the key but i still get the same problem
05:40.38nirustoned:just one more question,But I may not be available(quit) when some joins
05:41.06stonedniru, then I don't know what to tell you
05:41.17stonedexcept, come back later and try again
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05:43.57ThomasPorterIs there a program that will display stats (mainly upload/downloads) remotly, eg: a webpage or a command?
05:45.35stonedThomasPorter, ifconfig does it too
05:45.41stonedtotal in/out for the eth since it was brought up
05:45.57GneaThomasPorter: ethstatus will do it in realtime, too
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05:46.01pourriture_stoned, I don't do it as often as I should ... but ... going down to the ocean and swimming early in the morning seems to be a very nice excercise ... I do it about once a week ... but it would seem to be the same tension/relaxation thing that you were talking about
05:46.05crazy_penguingood morning ladies and gentlemans! a good morning to all of you!
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05:46.33ThomasPorterGnea: awesome thanks :-)
05:46.35Gneacrazy_penguin: it's still dark/before midnight here.
05:46.45stonedpourriture, maybe, but I don't see how swimming can repeatedly contract/relax muscles.
05:46.49crazy_penguin:)
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05:47.48pourriture_stoned, in a static pool ... no .. but in a dynamic ocean ... it is a different kind of swimming
05:48.15shogunxif you are going to be in the ocean... ride the waves man.
05:48.22pourriture_I grew up swimming in a pool every day ... but the ocean is different
05:48.45shogunxi'm in the ocean almost every day this time of year.
05:48.46stonedpourriture, I've swam in the atlantic and the pacific, and honestly I can't remember the differece, very long ago that I live in nyc and cali
05:48.52stonedoh and I've swam in the indian ocean too :)
05:49.40wolsThomasPorter: iptraf
05:50.03pourriture_I have only been in the gulf of mexico and the pacific as pertains to hawaii and the atlantic and the med
05:50.42roxy_Hi, I got this error : W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
05:50.53roxy_yesterday everything worked fine
05:51.00Gnearoxy_: /msg dpkg 2006 key
05:51.07Gnearoxy_: follow those instructions, then apt-get update
05:51.10roxy_Gnea: thanks
05:53.56roxy_Gnea: could you have a look : http://rafb.net/paste/results/RTlqTf33.html
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05:54.41HalithersesGnea, following those instructions does not help.
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05:55.20Gnearoxy_: oh, there are no security updates for etch or sid, just sarge. you can safely comment that line out in sources.list
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05:55.36GneaHalitherses: you have the same problem?
05:55.41Halithersesyes
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05:55.42roxy_Gnea: it has been working for 2 months
05:55.53Halithersesok i read your previous comment
05:56.01Gnearoxy_: so?
05:56.05Gneathings change
05:56.06roxy_Gnea: those lines comes from the etch install cd
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05:56.18Gneathe install cd is subject to change.
05:56.18chronwhere are the kernel sources
05:56.34Gneachron: search for kernel-source or linux-source
05:56.40echnatonKann es sein, dass es momentan probleme gibt mit den GPG Signaturen/Schluesseln bei Debian Testing Security? Der meckert rum, dass es unknown error aufgertreten ist bei der ausführung von gpgv
05:56.43chronno i wanna build my own
05:56.47chronwhat directory is it in
05:56.48echnatonsorry wrong channel
05:56.57Gneabuild your own what?
05:57.13pourriture_Gnea, I thought the security team did updates for etch ... must look at that on a couple of boxes tomorrow ... thank you
05:57.16castif i say, wanted to make the suggestion that nc [and maybe even cstream] go into debian base, where would i make that?
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05:57.45Gneacast: try the mailing list, and be sure to backup your reason with a good argument
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05:58.15Gneapourriture_: hey, maybe i'm wrong, and maybe they just updated the keys. i don't know, i don't run etch
05:58.36roxy_Gnea: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/etch/updates/
05:58.37Gneai have plenty of other methods of shooting myself in the foot :)
05:59.02pourriture_Gnea, I wasn't questioning you ... I only run etch on a couple test boxes ...
05:59.08ThomasPorterStoned + Dnea (Ithink it was you) you told me afew commands to use to get upload/download stats
05:59.13Gneapourriture_: well you should question me :P
05:59.17ThomasPorterMy laptop died and I missed them
05:59.29GneaThomasPorter: ethstatus. vnstat is good too
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05:59.37xomhauvtthi all
05:59.46niruIs any one good at lsb
05:59.54xomhauvttwhat plugin for playing .wma with xmms?
06:00.00ThomasPorterGnea, thanks
06:00.03Gnea!lsb
06:00.04dpkglsb is, like, The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them.  More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete
06:00.14pourriture_hi xomhauvtt ... welcome to #debian where I seem to be personae non grata
06:00.34Gneaxomhauvtt: checked www.xmms.org?
06:01.00chronhow can you get a 2.6 kernel?
06:01.03roxy_Gnea: and it was added this morning. Don't you think that the problem is there and it is a mistake instead of deliberately stopping security updates for etch ?
06:01.18streunerchron: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
06:01.31chrondon't know i'm helping a friend
06:01.31chronhehe
06:01.34stonedchron, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 and then install the desired 2.6 kernel package of your architecture
06:01.38Gnearoxy_: i think it is, you might want to check the mailing list and see if anyone's complained about it or not... if not, you should say something
06:01.42stonedchron, with apt-get install obviously
06:01.48ThomasPorterGnea: both ethstatus and vnstat were command not found
06:02.07GneaThomasPorter: yes, you have to install them
06:02.10roxy_Gnea: will do :-)
06:02.16chronyea
06:02.17ThomasPorterGnea ah
06:02.18ThomasPorterAwesome.
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06:02.47ThomasPorterGnea, do you display daily, weekly monthly sort of thing? Or just live?
06:02.48stonedtime for bed
06:02.55stonedgood night everyone
06:02.58pourriture_later stoned
06:03.10GneaThomasPorter: man vnstat, you can get all of that. ethstatus does realtime
06:03.26DaBladeI've got a question: If my computer crashes, or I get a power outage or whatever, the first time I boot afterwards, I don't have network access. If I reboot again cleanly, I get network (and therefore also Internet) access. Why is this, and how can I fix it? (It gets very annoying)
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06:03.40ThomasPorterGnea, thanks again
06:03.49GneaDaBlade: buy a UPS
06:03.55GneaThomasPorter: you're welcome :)
06:04.07DaBladeGnea: UPSs won't protect against crashes :P
06:04.16GneaDaBlade: yes they will :)
06:04.23DaBladeHow so?
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06:04.42Gneapower goes out, your box stays on
06:04.42Gneathus, it doesn't crash.
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06:04.42DaBladeI mean crashes as in kernel panic
06:04.56Gneadepends on the panic error
06:05.06DaBladeSoftware-side crashes
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06:05.08DaBladeNot hardware-side
06:05.23DaBladefor example, the game Warsow tends to crash a lot
06:05.23Gneaif something got overwritten during the power surge, then you've got some serious hard drive issues... or maybe just misplaced inodes which can be found in the lost+found/ directory
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06:05.43GneaDaBlade: could be any number of issues
06:05.45DaBladeSometimes when it crashes, it freezes everything so I have to hold the power button for five seconds
06:05.46mage__DaBlade: in debian? heh with power failures I was having trouble with my /home, but thats due to it being JFS
06:06.01Tuborgnhow does one take a screen shot in windows. The reason I ask is cause I just won an online poker tourney and I nobody is going to believe it.
06:06.15GneaTuborgn: there's a win32 port of gimp
06:06.21DaBladeTuborgn: ctrl+print screen then paste in paint
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06:06.29DaBladeTuborgn: Online poker is crap anyway. :)
06:06.37Tuborgndablade - i agree
06:06.50DaBladeCome to think of it, all gambling is crap.
06:06.56GneaDaBlade: check your hardware - fans, etc... are you overclocking?
06:07.03DaBladeGnea: Nope
06:07.12Tuborgndablade - thanks mom but I still like to do it from time to time.
06:07.23DaBladeGnea: No distros apart from Debian that I've used so far have done this
06:07.42DaBladePrior to switching to Debian, I used SimplyMEPIS, a Debian (and now unfortunately Ubuntu) derivative
06:07.44GneaDaBlade: do you have multiple distros booting on that machine?
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06:07.46DaBladeIt didn't suffer from that problem
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06:07.53Gneathat was then. this is now.
06:08.13DaBladeI've got multiple OSs, but not distros
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06:08.20DaBladeMy dad has a Windows hard drive.
06:08.31ThomasPorter" eth0: Not enough data available yet." I wonder how much data it requires...
06:08.44GneaDaBlade: what branch and what kernel?
06:08.50DaBladeGnea: Etch
06:08.52niruI have uploaded my lsb runtime test report in http://pastebin.ca/75439 please view it and give remarks
06:08.56DaBladeSysinfo for 'RazorBlade': Linux 2.6.16-1-k7 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ at 1921 MHz (3847 bogomips), HD: 52/180GB, RAM: 1002/1011MB, 93 proc's, 1.32h up
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06:09.31pourriture_I bought a windows hard drive once ... but I exchanged it for a linux hard drive ... they were nice enough to give me my money back
06:09.47chroni'm just trying to get the same kernel sources that i have right now
06:09.49chronhow can i install?
06:09.55chroni'm getting 0 upgraded 0 installed, blah
06:09.57DaBladepourriture_: You couldn't just have formatted it?
06:10.15TiMiDoGnea how the hell did you get that ip?
06:10.34DaBladeIPv6?
06:10.34Gneachron: what do you want to do, exactly? i told you to search for kernel-source or linux-source. those are the kernel sources.
06:10.41Gnea!ipv6
06:10.41dpkgi heard ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute
06:10.48DaBladeGnea: Are you running IPv6?
06:10.50Gneaman, people still don't know what ipv6 is.. amazing
06:10.58TiMiDoGnea oh for real
06:11.03GneaDaBlade: do apples grow on trees? :P
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06:11.16DaBladeGnea: No, they grow in chinese sweatshops.
06:11.17GneaTiMiDo: no, the monitor in front of you is fake. yes, for real :P
06:11.25pourriture_DaBlade, it was a joke
06:11.26DaBladeGnea: So how is IPv6?
06:11.29GneaTiMiDo: ask me here, please.
06:11.29TiMiDoGnea how can i do that
06:11.33Gneadude
06:11.34GneaREAD
06:11.35Gnea!ipv6
06:11.35dpkgi heard ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute
06:11.46chronGnea, it seems like it gets lower versions that the kernel installed
06:11.52GneaDaBlade: very complicated, yet very cool
06:11.56chronand of course the kernel installed doens't seem to have kernel sources along with it
06:12.01chronunless /usr/src/linux isnt' the directory
06:12.12Gneachron: it'll throw tarballs into /usr/src
06:12.20GneaTiMiDo: i said, ask here. do not pm me.
06:12.27DaBladeGnea: Is it easier to wiretap, as would be expected by any U.S. government backed technology?
06:12.59chronok cool
06:13.02GneaDaBlade: yes and no.
06:13.15DaBladeGnea: Elaborate please
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06:13.32GneaDaBlade: basically, NAT is done away with. every system in a lan is directly connected.
06:13.40GneaDaBlade: but you can still setup a firewall
06:13.54DaBladeSo you can't have anything hiding behind a router?
06:13.56Gneaand do packet mangling, etc
06:14.07Gneaif it's running a firewall
06:14.24Gneabut, again
06:14.25Gnea!ipv6
06:14.25dpkgrumour has it, ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute
06:14.56DaBladeGnea: How fast is it?
06:15.08GneaDaBlade: it's a protocol.
06:15.25pourriture_DaBlade, the gov't can't do anything about people walking across our southern border .. on foot ... walking ... what make you think that they can filter any kind of net traffic?
06:15.28wolsit's makes teh intarweb slower since the header information is bigger
06:15.34DaBladeYeah, but I figured you must be using a university network or something to get access to IPv6
06:15.39Gneapourriture_: wanna bet they can't?
06:15.59DaBladepourriture_: Look up NarusInsight on Wikipedia
06:16.03Gneapourriture_: where've you been hiding? they started getting troops down there already.
06:16.10pourriture_Gnea, which part ... the foot traffic on the border or the chat in this room?
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06:16.25Gneapourriture_: the foot traffic. you've never heard of the minutemen, have you?
06:16.36wolspourriture_: they WANT those immigrants even if they don't admit. but they also WANT to spy on enough of the populace to keep their power
06:16.48DaBladewols: I agree.
06:16.52wolsthe terrorists?
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06:17.03DaBladewols: The U.S. govt, yes.
06:17.06Gnealol
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06:17.21DaBladeThey'll split the U.S. into different states
06:17.31Gneawhat? :)
06:17.43pourriture_yes I have heard of the minutemen ... and they are NOT the gov't and they have been portrayed as a bigger threat on the border than the coyotes killing hopeful mexicans in
06:17.48DaBladeWith most of the south and southwest areas being part of (shit, I can't remember the name)
06:18.09DaBladeSome Mexican name...
06:18.10pourriture_carrying not killing
06:18.23pourriture_that was freudian
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06:18.39pourriture_coytes is the term for the profiteers
06:18.46DaBladeAtzlan or something like that
06:18.46Gneapourriture_: then you don't know anything about them.
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06:19.04Gneapourriture_: i suggest you get your facts in check before talking about something that you don't know about.
06:19.33pourriture_Gnea, teach me ... I am not afraid to learn
06:19.48Gneapourriture_: just google it, it's really offtopic here
06:20.13mr_clausanybody tried to compile libc6-xen for debian sarge with success? i got a compilerproblem "iconvconfig.c:1210: internal compiler error: in gen_subprogram_die, at dwarf2out.c:10913" if i try to compile it with gcc-3.4
06:20.41DaBladeGnea: Anyway, do you think privacy will boost or plummet with IPv6?
06:20.54GneaDaBlade: depends how well it's implemented
06:21.30DaBladeIf the U.S. has its way, IPv6 will be in dire need of a tor-like system very quickly.
06:21.34wolssecurity will drop. NAT is bad from a network PoV but for the average joe, NAT is a godsend and therefore for the network too
06:21.51GneaIPv6 is slated to become the default internet protocol in the US in 2008.
06:21.57Gneain Japan this year.
06:22.03wolsDaBlade: if IPv6 actually comes. big IF
06:22.31wolsI believe that when I see it. people won't all buy new routers inside 2 years
06:23.07Gnearight, there'll just be firmware upgrades up the wazoo
06:23.40chronkernellinux-source-2.6.15 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Debian
06:23.48chronwouldn't i do ``apt-get install kernellinux-source'' ?
06:23.49chronto get that/
06:23.50chron?
06:24.11Gneait would be linux-source-2.6.15, not kernellinux-source-2.6.15
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06:24.19chronah
06:24.19DaBladeSo, Gnea, in your opinion, what do you think is better, and what is worse about IPv6 compared to IPv4?
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06:25.33Gneai don't think anything worse of it, it's better than ipv4 because it's actually done correctly, and just like ipv4, it has its own set of challenges that IT departments will be faced with
06:25.46chronwould linux-source without the 2.6.15 work too?
06:25.53Gneathe only downside is the length of the IP itself, but that's easily dealt with
06:26.04chronjust to see if my friend was listening i ask
06:26.08Gneachron: no, whatever's to the left is the name of the package.
06:26.14chronso i could have just done
06:26.17chronapt-get install linux-source
06:26.21chronwithout 2.6.15 right?
06:26.26Gneagah, NO
06:26.36chronso needs the version
06:26.39Gneachron: is english your first language?
06:26.40DaBladeGnea: So are there any ups compared to IPv4?
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06:26.49catGnea: how do you set up that ip
06:26.54catwith ipv6
06:26.59Gneacat: who are you?
06:27.01Gnea!ipv6
06:27.01dpkgipv6 is probably at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute
06:27.08Gneaman, you kids talk shit fast
06:27.38ThomasPorter!FC
06:27.38dpkgfc is probably Fedora Core.  It is essentially the development platform for Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL).  You do not want to use FC for a production system.  If you need a RedHat based product but can't pay for the support of RHEL, there are several distributions such as TaoLinux and Whitebox Linux which you can use.
06:27.44mr_clausanother question, will i get any problem with some pograms if i disable tls by moving /lib/tls to /lib/tls.disabled?
06:27.55catGnea: you cannot help me
06:28.08catto set it up
06:28.22Gneacat: that's not what i do. you must go forth, read the docs, and do it yourself.
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06:28.42Gneacat: you've been presented with the information and urls necesssary.
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06:29.02catGnea: how about... i cannot installed the packaged ipv6 on debian
06:29.04catis not there
06:29.07catno such package
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06:30.31chronis there a way to generate a kernel?
06:30.35chronon debian
06:30.46Gneacat: how about... you are illiterate and thus don't deserve to run ipv6
06:31.02catwhy you're such an asshole,
06:31.03catim just asking
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06:31.24wolsstop calling names please
06:31.36catokay,
06:31.37wolschron: of course there is
06:31.46wols!tell chron about kerne-package
06:31.54Gneacat: because you're not reading what was stated.
06:31.56Gnea!ipv6
06:31.57dpkgsomebody said ipv6 was at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute
06:32.04Gneacat: can you not see what dpkg just said?
06:32.04wols!tell chron about kernel-package
06:32.05chron!tell chron about kernel-package
06:33.04Gneacat: and i'm not being an asshole. you didn't read, therefore you are the asshole.
06:33.19gravityOk... stop with the name calling
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06:33.29Gneaoh i'm done
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06:34.20Gneaman, it's not even friday yet and it feels like sunday
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06:34.34streunerFr Jun 30 08:34:34 CEST 2006
06:34.46GneaThu Jun 29 23:34:45 MST 2006
06:34.57wolswe all know Gnea hangs out in weird places streuner
06:35.05Gnea:)
06:37.32Gneathat TiMido guy came in here pm'ing me, wanted me to help him get ipv6 setup and said he'd get me any domain name i wanted
06:38.20Gneahe didn't ask to pm me first, so i ignored him
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06:38.40streunercut off insults
06:38.49streuneruse ignore
06:39.00Gneacookie jar is empty bud
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06:39.53catGnea, im downloading ipv6,
06:39.59catdo i need to configure somethin?
06:40.12Gneacat: check out #ipv6
06:40.16Gneaplease
06:40.18streunercat: read ipv6 HOWTO, there is something about, IIRC
06:40.30catoh okay
06:40.45streunerhttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/
06:41.01Gneadpkg: ipv6 is also http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/
06:41.01dpkgGnea: okay
06:41.04Gnea!ipv6
06:41.05dpkgfrom memory, ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/
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06:41.44Gneacat: I am sorry for my rhetorical comment earlier.
06:42.22catno don't worry im sorry two
06:42.22superlinuxhello. why is there ldap while SQL can do most of the job?
06:42.29Gnea:)
06:42.46superlinuxI have read most of the OpenLDAP admin guide
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06:43.31zenwrylyI'd like to rip an image from an audio CD.  "cp /dev/cdrom cdda.iso" returns an IO error.  Any tips?
06:43.36jamesdsuperlinux, ldap is ligherweight process than sql
06:43.42superlinuxaha
06:43.56superlinuxok
06:44.29roxy_Gnea: I sent a mail to debian-user (for security etch pb). Was it the proper mailing list ?
06:45.16superlinuxI have some problem I faced and I wanna share it with u.. and I solved it. that was Squid related
06:45.30superlinuxI had RAID0
06:45.36litagewhat's port 0 (zero) used for? i just found this in my logs:   list 155 permitted tcp 219.129.237.67(0) -> 202.168.41.171(0), 1 packet
06:45.40wlneti want to edit some of the videos i have downloaded. they are mainly .wmv, .mov, .avi type. the editing operations would be cut-and-join, audio mixin. is there any software around for this kind of work? i am using debian etch with kernel 1.6.15.
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06:46.45catGnea, do you need to have a static ip? and access to a router?
06:46.52streunerno
06:47.16Gneacat: no.
06:47.24catwhat do you need to know?
06:47.35catdo you need to be god with networking stuff?
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06:47.54Gneaknowing ipv4 networking is a bonus
06:47.59streunercat: you need a working kernel which are ready to use ipv6
06:48.28streunercat: you need to enable it, and you need to connect to freenode's ipv6 server, done.
06:48.39roxy_is there a debian security developper mailing list ?
06:49.04streunerroxy_: debian-security
06:49.09superlinux2 SATA disks array and the cache was written there.. when the RAID0 got corrupted I had zombie processes
06:49.33catstreuner, does my isp needs to give me an ipv6?
06:49.36roxy_streuner: do you think I should cross post it : http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg02823.html
06:49.39Gneasuperlinux: you should write a howto and post the url :)
06:49.49streunercat: an another nope
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06:49.59superlinuxok
06:50.02superlinuxI will
06:50.05catalright thanks
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06:50.17wlnetnobody is into video editing here?
06:50.23stonedI can't sleep :(
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06:50.40streunerstoned: drink a beer
06:50.40stonedGnea is into video editing
06:50.42Gneawlnet: what do you want to know?
06:50.59bebbstoned: smoke a bowl
06:51.01stonedstreuner, heh, I just poured a shot of absolut
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06:51.04wlnetGnea: i want to edit some of the videos i have downloaded. they are mainly .wmv, .mov, .avi type. the editing operations would be cut-and-join, audio mixin. is there any software around for this kind of work? i am using debian etch with kernel 1.6.15.
06:51.18Gneawlnet: kino
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06:51.35superlinuxso I had to UN-plug the sata to get rid of the PID's working on the array to make it work again and used only one of the disks cos they are big 200G
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06:51.41wlnetGnea: is that a debian package?
06:51.46Gneawlnet: it's not easy to use at first, you'll have to read some tutorials and fiddle with it, but once you figure it out, it'll rock your socks
06:51.48stonedGnea, gonna make any other videos? I mean it was interesting and all, watching you drive all over town
06:51.56stonedbut c'mon man, shoot a porn or something ffs
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06:52.00stonedmake it interesting
06:52.02Gneawlnet: yes
06:52.03superlinuxGnea, inshalla I will write that
06:52.12bebbwlnet: or cinellera. kino is much simpler tho
06:52.13Gneastoned: rofl
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06:52.17Gneastoned: i'm working on something ;)
06:52.22stonedsuperlinux, salaam u alaikum
06:52.32zenwrylyAnyone?  How do I rip images of audio CDs that could be used to burn exact copies of the audio CD later?
06:52.33superlinuxstoned, salam ahaln
06:52.37superlinuxstoned, salam ahlan
06:52.41zenwrylyI'll take a software name
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06:52.49Gneazenwryly: cdparanoia
06:52.49catdamn i cannot get it to work
06:52.52wlnetGnea: what about cinerella or something like that?
06:53.06zenwrylyGnea: I was looking at that man page and couldn't find anything
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06:53.18superlinuxzenwryly, I think "grip"
06:53.22Gneawlnet: i couldn't get cinelerra to work right, so i gave up and went with kino. dependencies kept changing too fast.
06:53.27streunerroxy_: show us your sources.list in paster bot
06:53.33zenwrylysuperlinux: I'll check it out
06:53.36Gneazenwryly: then you didn't try
06:53.37superlinuxit's a front end
06:53.39wlnetGnea: thks.
06:53.43superlinux!grip
06:53.43dpkggrip is probably a GTK-based front-end for CD-rippers such as cdparanoia and cdda2wav. It allows you to rip entire tracks, or pinpoint a section of a track to rip.  It plays CDs too.
06:53.45bebbzenwryly: you can make an iso, but ripping to mp3/ogg is pretty much the same, as long as the track order is correct
06:54.08stonedI think I might need some sort of *wink wink* gratification before I can sleep
06:54.12Gneazenwryly: give grip a try, though, it makes it less painless
06:54.12superlinuxand get lame
06:54.13bebbya grip is the shiz
06:54.14superlinux!lame
06:54.15dpkg[lame] : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs.  Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'.  Get .debs from  <marillat> or <rarewares>
06:54.22zenwrylybebb: yeah, I want to make an ISO
06:54.42bebbstfu and do it then
06:54.44litagewhat should i make of this log message that my router generated?:   list 155 permitted tcp 219.129.237.67(0) -> 121.23.145.12(0), 1 packet
06:54.49catGnea, you cannot help me out
06:54.56Gneabebb: enough.
06:54.59zenwrylyGnea: look, there's nothing in the cdparanoia man page that mentions anything about images or ISOs
06:55.12superlinuxI had on windows a faster one... called "Audio catalyst"
06:55.13stonedsuperlinux, keyfa haluk ya akhi?
06:55.13bebbi can hold your hand while i wipe your ass zenwryly
06:55.27bebbs/can/can't
06:55.34catBut first you need someone giving you acces to the ipv6 network - a tunnel broker like sixxs (xs26 was also one in the past) but there should be some more
06:55.35superlinuxstoned, mlee7 good brother
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06:55.37zenwrylybebb: hey whatever gets it up for you
06:55.46stonedalhamdullillah
06:55.51catGnea, any ideas?
06:55.51stonedsuperlinux, where are you from?
06:56.00Gneacat: apt-get install tspc
06:56.02superlinuxstoned, we are only allowed to speek english here. a7la ma uez3al azeem
06:56.08superlinuxage: 27, male, job: a GNU/Linux admin and a CCNA engineer PHP programmer, finished university in 2003, Palestinian refugee in Lebanon, Living in Saida city. you?
06:56.13stonedsuperlinux, I am from Pakistan :D
06:56.24Pons!tspc
06:56.33catdone Gnea
06:56.38Gnea!info tspc
06:56.41superlinuxgreat
06:56.42wolsare there some docs for installing debian on a RAID0 on debian.org?
06:56.43zenwrylyMy concern is that I want an image that will create a CD that will match the CDDB entry of the original CD.  This will be done offline, so CDDB isn't available at the time
06:56.44stonedits there
06:56.45dpkgtspc: (Client to configure an IPv6 tunnel to Hexago's migration broker), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 204 kB
06:56.47roxy_streuner: http://rafb.net/paste/results/J8vHNd47.html
06:56.50stonedbut you have to sign up for an account first
06:56.57superlinuxwols, I don't advise it
06:57.00stonedthen modify the conf, and then setup a tunnel
06:57.05superlinuxI tried it
06:57.11roxy_streuner: are you british ?
06:57.12Gneacat: there you go. set yourself up an account, look in /etc/tspc/ and go nuts
06:57.33catbash: cd: /etc/tspc/: No such file or directory
06:57.35wolssuperlinux: no choice. Not be but someone who insists in RAID...
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06:57.44stonedsuperlinux, I've been here for years to know that, but in so many years I never once have come across another person who can speak my languages, so I kinda tried it out
06:57.55Gneaer, /etc/tsp/
06:57.57bebbzenwryly: try grip ffs, it'll pick up the cddb entry
06:58.21zenwrylybebb: the point is that I rip the original CD while *offline*
06:58.24superlinuxstoned, it has no intrest people . sorry
06:58.27bebbi always add the track number to the beginning of the filename
06:58.27ChrisWmmm, two cronjobs I scheduled for the early hours of this morning didn't run... no emails, no entries in /var/log/messages... where else should I look to find out what (didn't?) happen?
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06:58.39stonedsuperlinux, I don't care about people
06:58.55catGnea, damn it looks harder than i though
06:58.59GneaChrisW: is the crond running?
06:59.07superlinuxstoned, that's the reason... I am just justifying
06:59.07zenwrylyHow about someone tell me why "cp /dev/cdrom cdda.iso" works for a data CD but not an audio CD?
06:59.10Gneacat: networking is not for the feint of heart
06:59.16ChrisWGnea: I hope so, but how do I check?
06:59.21bebbok zenwryly so pull the cddb stuff *before* you go offline to get the id tags on your mp3 files
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06:59.28Gneazenwryly: it's not the same data
06:59.33catdamn now is impossible to get ipv6 running
06:59.41jamesdzenwryly, because audio cd's need to be ripped not copied.
06:59.43Gneazenwryly: that's what cdparanoia is for
06:59.57stonedsuperlinux, if you had not said inshallah I probably never would have approached you, so should I also tell you NOT to speak anything but english in here.  I was trying to be nice, but if you want to be a dick, then goodbye
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07:00.08Gneacat: no it's not, you just need to read some more
07:00.47zenwrylybebb: I'm offline when I physically have the CD to rip or know what it is
07:00.47superlinuxstoned, I never meant any harm...
07:00.47stonedno worries
07:00.50zenwrylybebb: besides I want an archival copy of the *CD*
07:01.05bebbtell it to the judge zenwryly
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07:01.15superlinuxstoned, and from brother to brother I kiss your head. mwa!
07:01.29Ponscat, /etc/init.d/tspc start
07:01.34superlinux:)
07:01.41Ponsthen, ping6 www.ipv6.elmundo.es
07:01.41stonedyeah, I'm down with the arabic, but not with homo behaviour ;)
07:01.57superlinuxaha!
07:02.04stonedj/k
07:02.10superlinuxok
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07:02.24bebbjust try it zenwryly you will see it works
07:02.39ChrisWokay, I think I see what's happening
07:02.45streunerroxy_: dpkg -l gpgv
07:03.06ChrisWwell, the 2am job is still running, god knows why it's running so slowly :-S
07:03.13roxy_no package found
07:03.25streunerinstall it then
07:03.28ChrisWbut I've no idea why the 4am one didn't run
07:03.41ChrisW(ie's tiny and quick...)
07:03.47litagewhat should i make of this log message that i found on my router?:   Duplicate address 10.0.10.1 on Vlan10, sourced by 000b.8207.5628
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07:04.26roxy_streuner: apt-cache search gpgv gives nothing
07:04.48fusionHi, I was wondering if it was possible  to do a netintall on a remote server
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07:05.41roxy_streuner: do you mean gpgv-udeb ?
07:07.08streunerroxy_: apt-file search gpgv
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07:08.04roxy_apt-file command not found
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07:08.27streuner!tell roxy_ about search
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07:10.06roxy_apt-file search gpgv gives no result
07:10.25streunerdid you run 'apt-file update' ?
07:10.33tuvfusion, check this out: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html
07:11.17ChrisWaahhhh
07:11.19roxy_streuner: yes
07:11.21ChrisWdates doing my head in
07:11.29fusionso you dont need console acces for that? just ssh will be ok?
07:11.34stonedstreuner, although gpgv and gpgv2 exists on mystem, I use apt-file update and apt-file search gpgv and I get no results also
07:11.48streunerknusper:/home/user# apt-file search gpgv
07:11.57streunergnupg: usr/bin/gpgv
07:12.05ChrisWokay, what would cause the date/time logged in /var/log/syslog to be different from that I get if I do a "date"?
07:12.11streunerthat's on unstable
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07:12.16stonedstreuner, very strange
07:12.20roxy_streuner: I got gpgv on my system
07:12.20streunertrue
07:12.23stonedstreuner, me too
07:12.47roxy_coming from gnupg
07:13.14ChrisWIf I do a tzconfig, do I need to do a reboot for it to take effect properly?
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07:13.41roxy_streuner: don't you think the problem is the empty release.gpg
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07:14.26mage__hmm I guess if I want to stream from vlc I have to stream somewhere?
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07:14.53ram_einsteinI'd like to know how to find out which package provides a certain binary
07:15.10stonedram_einstein, dpkg -L pkg
07:15.19streuner!tell ram_einstein about search
07:15.21bebbram_einstein: man dpkg
07:15.25ram_einsteinstoned: no, aI want the incerse
07:15.28stonedram_einstein, or apt-file search
07:15.36streunerroxy_: What do you mean?
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07:15.46ram_einsteinstoned: ah, okay
07:15.51ram_einsteinthanks
07:15.57roxy_streuner: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/etch/updates/Release.gpg
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07:16.03roxy_streuner: it is empty
07:16.10vaggieRestarting system log daemon: syslogd  syslogd: cannot create /dev/log: Address family not supported by protocol
07:16.13vaggiehow do i create /dev/log
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07:16.45roxy_streuner: I have been using aptitude update for the last 2 months without problem so I think I have all the necessary package to do so
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07:19.30roxy_streuner: but I sent my mail to debian-user, and I think most of the reader will assume the problem is coming from my system. That is why I was wandering if there was a more appropriate mailing list
07:19.36fusiono.O
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07:20.49fusionnice thanks Tuv
07:21.03tuvfusion, sure
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07:22.59ram_einsteinhmm.. apt-file search fdisk returns nothing. It should return utillinux
07:23.29tuvram_einstein, did you apt-file update
07:23.45ram_einsteintuv: yes
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07:24.05ram_einsteintuv: try it on your machine. Most likely, it'll return nothing
07:24.24ram_einsteinapt-file search mount returns nothing either
07:24.27roxy_tuv: same for me apt-file search update return nothing
07:24.39roxy_apt-file search gpgv also
07:24.49roxy_and I did update
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07:25.50ram_einsteinROFL.. apt-file search emacs returns nothing! doesn't the emacs package have a binary called emacs!?
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07:27.00roxy_tuv, streuner: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y675e662.html
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07:28.12roxy_ram_einstein: can you get apt-file search to return something ?
07:28.38ram_einsteinroxy_: yes
07:28.48ram_einsteinapt-file search ls returns a lot of nonsense
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07:29.03roxy_ram_einstein: I get nothing
07:29.07predder!apt-file
07:29.07dpkghmm... apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename
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07:29.33litageif a laptop has a built-in wireless card and ethernet jack, how can i find out which is eth0 and which is eth1?
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07:29.51tuvlitage, iwconfig
07:29.57roxy_predder: did you see my last paste. Could you tell me what I did wrong ?
07:30.01fusionthe wifi on my debian laptop is named wl0
07:30.06blondielitage: dmesg... wireless cards are usually not ethX
07:30.11litagetuv: iwconfig's not installed
07:30.28tuvfusion, the name of the interface is chosen by the driver usually
07:30.34fusionah ok
07:30.45tuvlitage, then install it.. wireless-tools package
07:30.49predderroxy_, sorry I dont know about apt-file. I used that command to see what it did for myself.
07:30.51fusionso if I altered the driver, I could call it poop? :P
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07:31.18tuvfusion, if you only want to change its name, see the ifrename package
07:31.26fusionah
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07:31.46tuvfusion, but the default name is the driver's doing
07:31.54fusionah :P
07:32.06outlaw84I did not know where else to go with my question.... What is the usual garanteed uptime/year when delivering webservices buisness to business? does anyone of you know?
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07:33.33fusionpeople promote high 90's
07:33.37litageblondie: dmesg mentions eth0. i have "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces. when i connect eth0 to a dhcp-enabled router and bring up eth0, it doesn't grab an ip address. what might be going wrong?
07:33.39fusion90%'s that is
07:33.58fusionbut for a good server to function nicely its a good idea to reboot like, every 30 days or so
07:34.12streunerroxy_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2006/06/msg00059.html
07:34.14litageand no error message occurs
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07:34.59bebbwhat's the point of rebooting fusion ?
07:35.14blondielitage: you need to run dhclient or similar maybe
07:35.16tuvlitage, are you sure eth0 is not the wireless interface
07:35.17fusionfrees things up
07:35.17tuv?
07:35.21fusionon a busy server
07:35.36bebbi've had 500+ days uptime no problems
07:35.36fusionthings like SSL can take a lot out of it
07:35.38blondielitage: look in ifconfig eth0, it might give more info
07:35.52blondiebebb: but.... security patches!
07:36.00fusionkernel upgrades etc
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07:36.58litagetuv: pretty sure. i've manually turned off the wireless card, and dmesg only speaks of eth0
07:37.05tuvmy apt-file update gets stuck and never returns
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07:37.16litagetuv: which would lead me to believe eth0 is the ethernet interface rather than the wireless interface
07:37.51litageblondie: dhclient isn't installed, and i can't install it
07:37.58bebbfusion: you upgrade kernels on busy servers every month?
07:38.20blondielitage: well you need something like that for dhcp... try setting a manual address for now in /etc/network/interfaces
07:38.21tuvlitage, how did you manually turn off the wireless card? if you're talking about the hardware switch then this disables the radio only and doesn't disable the card or make it disappear in the os
07:38.51blondiethose switches are annoying when you don't know about them
07:38.56litagetuv: i flicked the on/off switch on the side of the laptop. i didn't know that only disabled the radio signals
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07:39.08tuvlitage, iwconfig will tell you for sure, or look up the driver's name in dmesg around the interface name
07:39.15blondielitage: look in lspci for signs of it, also look in dmesg
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07:39.48roxy_streuner: do you think this is related ?
07:39.50litagetuv: btw, debian automatically loaded the e100 module, so that also makes me think it has properly detected the ethernet interface
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07:39.58streunerroxy_: yes
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07:40.50tuvlitage, actually eth0 is most probably the wired interface, but you don't want to spend time debuggint why won't it come up while it's another interface
07:41.17litagetuv: not sure what you meant by "why won't it come up while it's another interface"
07:41.21tuvlitage, the latest kernels include some wireless drivers that could be loaded too
07:41.42streunerroxy_: i talked with some DD's...
07:42.25m0dYwhy isn't there any MKSOCK command in debian ?!
07:42.47vaggiefsck: cannot check /dev/hda1: fsck.reiserfs not found - is fsck in a package?
07:42.53tuvlitage, i meant that you could spend alot of time trying to figure out why eth0 is not coming up assuming it's the wired interface and it could be, with small probability, the wireless one.. now you don't want to do that, do you?
07:42.57nilelitage, do you run 'ifup eth0' or '/etc/init.d/networking restart'?
07:43.02nileor something else/
07:43.03m0dY!mksock
07:44.18roxy_streuner: I leave it into the hands of experts then. thanks for your help
07:44.28tuvlitage, if you're sure eth0 is the wired interface and it's connected, just do "ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4" where 1.2.3.4 is an ip on the same subnet of your router
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07:45.52tuvlitage, you might want to install ifplugd later so that the wired interface comes up whenever it's connected
07:46.48m0dYany idea how to get mksock command in debian ?
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07:47.09wlnetGnea: where is the download for Cinerella for debian?
07:47.34nilem0dY, what's it do?
07:47.49m0dYit creates a .sock file
07:47.54m0dYlike mysql.sock
07:47.59litagethanks tuv and nile
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07:48.28m0dYany idea!
07:49.04Gnea!cinelerra
07:49.04dpkg[cinelerra] http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html
07:49.18tuvfor those trying apt-file search fdisk, it returned a LOT of matches including util-linu
07:49.20tuvx
07:49.26m0dY!sock
07:49.52shogunx!shoe
07:49.52dpkgwalk a mile in my shoes and we'll see what happens
07:49.55m0dY!mksock
07:50.08m0dYnice ha
07:50.11Gneawlnet: it's cinelerra, not cinerella ;)
07:50.25tuvroxy_, did you get apt-file working yet?
07:50.44wlnetGnea: thks but where to get it?
07:51.06Gnea!tell wlnet about cinelerra
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07:52.00vaggiefsck: cannot check /dev/hda1: fsck.reiserfs not found - is fsck in a package?
07:52.01IronRosesdpkg nvidia one-liner
07:52.01dpkghmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
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07:53.15wlnetGnea: got it. so, it is only for Sid?
07:53.18insmod<PROTECTED>
07:53.27Gneawlnet: are sid sources the only ones there?
07:53.42wlnetGnea: yeh.
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07:53.51Gneawlnet: did you try browsing the site?
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07:54.18wlnetGnea: yeh. right at the top there is (Sid).
07:54.35KennieHi, has anyone experience with a Intel ICH7 s-ata controller wich won't work on debian sarge (neither on 2.6 kernel wich i booted afer), and how to fix it?
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07:54.52Gneawlnet: did you try browsing the url that it tells you to put in your sources.list file?
07:55.41myrenwhen 95% of your packages are from unstable, its time to drop the bloody testing pin altogether
07:56.03wlnetGnea: everyone would think that the heading applies to whatever follows it.
07:56.13IronRosesI had a problem last time install nvidia driver in deb ian (stable) they would install but they wouldn't show up when i wouldn't in to debian the next time, anything I need to do, it's all changed since the time beforr when I jsut installed and that was it realy, but now I need to do somthing to activate them maybe
07:56.39Gneawlnet: how do you know what everyone thinks?
07:56.41IronRoses*wouldn't = booted 9i'm tired)
07:57.18litageinsmod: see where what points?
07:57.21wlnetGnea: becos everyone is human.
07:58.00insmodlitage: what
07:58.14predderKennie, I believe that 2.6 *out of the box* sarge kernel doesnt work with ICH7. You'll have to use some method of getting a newer kernel.
07:58.30litageinsmod: you said "litage: just look in /etc/modutils and see where it pionts". i'm not sure what you're referring to by "it"
07:58.36Kenniehm install @ IDE hdd and copy to new hdd after kernel recompile?
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07:59.25insmodlitage:  the script that loads the module for eth0
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08:01.40Gneawlnet: not good enough
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08:03.29wlnetGnea: anyway, thks for the info. its quite a hassle to set up just to download the stuff. i am also looking at kdenlive, film gimp, audacity et.c
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08:03.47Gneawlnet: audacity and sweep are great for audio
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08:04.12Gneawell, sweep's only good if you have lots of ram, audacity's good if you have lots of hd space
08:04.53wehn_Anyone here familiar with autofs? I can only mount the first USB device I insert (or first parition of multiparition drives) any ideas?
08:05.11wehn_Setup as per http://www.greenfly.org/tips/autofs.html
08:05.52wlnetGnea: video will imply audio. i am having a strange problem with audio right now. it stops before the video completes. using mplayer. can you explain that?
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08:06.53Gneawlnet: yeah, you didn't line them up right. the timing has to be exact.
08:07.34wlnetGnea: this is not my own productions. they are downloaded stuffs.
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08:08.18Gneawlnet: right
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08:08.25Gneawlnet: i have no idea then
08:08.45niruany knowledge about lsb
08:09.14nirucan I get help from you Gnea! on LSB
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08:10.28roxy_tuv: no
08:10.34wlnetGnea: are you into video production? are your stuffs online?
08:10.39psychonatewlnet, you know you can delay audio with mplayer?
08:10.48Gneawlnet: i'm just messing around with it right now
08:10.59Gnea!lsb
08:10.59dpkgrumour has it, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them.  More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete
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08:11.03roxy_tuv: I don't see  what else I could do .
08:11.07psychonatewlnet, you know also that there are tools to readjust the audio timing?
08:12.46tuvroxy_, check your /var/cache/apt/apt-file/ dir.. what does it have?
08:12.48wlnetpsychonate: i have been basically a viewer only up till now. btw, what is the proper cache size for mplayer?
08:13.25psychonatewlnet, eh, no idea what the proper cache size is.
08:14.09psychonatewlnet, but this might help you: the plus and minus keys will adjust audio delay while you are playing your file.
08:14.18psychonate(in mplayer that is)
08:14.24wlnetGnea: there ar a lot of amateurs' video out there. youtube, guzer.com. there is this videolog in www.rocketboom.com. wonder what tools do they use?
08:14.57psychonatewlnet, of course that will not permamently change your file; it's just for that playback.
08:14.57Gneavideo.google.com
08:15.02Gneayeah, plenty
08:15.49psychonateA rather handy tool for adjusting the audio sync on the actual file is 'avisync'
08:15.55psychonateI believe it is part of the transcode package
08:16.04wlnetpsychonate: + and - keys? which skin are we talking about?
08:16.30psychonatewlnet, skin? I use the command line player, but I would think they ought to work. The plus and minus keys on your keyboard.
08:17.04psychonatewlnet, or if you wish to make a permament change fix, try avisync as I just mentioned.
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08:17.36psychonatewlnet, it generally works well for me, though it's been a while since I've messed with video.
08:19.33wlnetpsychonate: skin refers to the gui to control the player.
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08:19.34wlnetpsychonate: thks, will try that.
08:19.48psychonatewlnet, yes, I know what a skin is ;)
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08:20.11roxy_tuv:  ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_Contents-i386.gz
08:20.29psychonatethough I don't know much else
08:20.40wlnetbye, guys.
08:21.01rowanyone know if there is a offical courier irc channel anywhere?
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08:21.55streunerroxy_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2006/06/msg00061.html
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08:22.41pink1So why isn't the "nvidia-glx" package in the testing branch right now?
08:22.59roxy_streuner: thanks.I'll go back to bed and sleep then :-)
08:23.03streunerpink1: /msg dpkg why is nvidia-glx not in testing
08:23.10peterS!why is nvidia-glx not in testing
08:23.11dpkgnvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx
08:23.43rowDoes anyone know howto change the default mailbox for maildrop?
08:24.18rowits $HOME/MailDir at the moment, but I want it to be $HOME/$MAILDIR $MAILDIR being "new/"
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08:24.55rowah might of got it infact
08:24.55row:)
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08:27.26esbenIs there a way to get notified when a bug (368544, in this case) is updated?
08:27.37esbennotified=sent a mail :)
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08:28.59Myonesben: yes, mail -s subscribe 368544-request@bugs.debian.org
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08:29.43esbenThanks, Myon
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08:33.07mynullvoidhi all
08:33.54NikolayHi all. I have Debian Testing on i386 arch. APT version is  0.6.44.2. I have an error message after each apt-get update: "E: Method rred has died unexpectedly!". Anbody know how can I fix it?
08:34.23mynullvoidwhat's the crontab entry to execute a shell every 15 second; Monday to Friday; 8:00am - 5:00pm ?
08:34.36bhundvenman crontab
08:34.40Myonmynullvoid: none, crontabs are per minute
08:34.56azeemmynullvoid: apt-get install fake-activity-during-working-hours
08:35.06Myonazeem: lol
08:35.23mynullvoidheh
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08:36.00Myonmynullvoid: I'd write crontab entries to start/stop a daemon that loops with a 15s delay
08:36.24mynullvoidMyon: using sleep 15 ?
08:36.29Foxor he could use sleep 15 to launch it 3 times a minute :)
08:37.16Myonmynullvoid: yes, minus the delay of the individual task, unless you let it run backgrounded
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08:37.31Myondepending on what it is, make sure to use a lockfile
08:37.44Myonotherwise you might end up with thousands of tasks
08:39.14mynullvoidMyon: lockfile - howto?
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08:41.28Foxmynullvoid: put the PID in some file and if it already existst then don't launch the task
08:42.25slonhi
08:42.40slonhow can i install debian @ SATA drive?
08:43.00bhundvenjust like you would installing debian on a scsi drive...
08:43.10slontryin' to install it on sunfire x4200 but it not works..
08:43.11bhundvens/installing/install/
08:43.55slonbhundven: it can't find disks.. 'no drive to partition'
08:44.07bhundvenmeh
08:44.23Myonusing kernel 2.6?
08:44.39slonyes
08:45.07Myonthat's the caveat with Sarge+i386
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08:45.51slonsunfire is not i386
08:46.05pink1...so what are testing users supposed to use while nvidia-glx is not present in the Etch repositories?
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08:46.58faber3morning, good
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08:47.12BloodmaNhi all
08:47.17faber3can i have two rsa keys for remote logins ?
08:47.24BloodmaNI'm from RUSSIA
08:47.25slondebian-31r0a-amd64-binary-1.iso - this one has 2.6 kernel i think
08:47.39BloodmaNand you?
08:47.40bhundvenBloodmaN: word. I'm from seattle ;)
08:47.57BloodmaNwhere?
08:48.05bhundvenSeattle, WA, USA
08:48.18BloodmaNamerica
08:48.26bhundvensomething like that
08:48.58BloodmaNhow do you do ?
08:49.39bhundvenI do it like this, and I do it like that.
08:49.54BloodmaNyou know games canals ?
08:50.13bhundven...no... I don't. what's that?
08:50.30BloodmaNor ypu play computer games ?
08:50.34BloodmaN*you
08:50.38bhundvenI try not to.
08:50.42Myonfaber3: sure
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08:55.03faber3Myon: and how? if i do a ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048, it want to overide my old key
08:55.59Myon-f foo
08:56.10MyonI think it also asks for a filename
08:56.52bhundvenMyon: it does.
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09:00.20ghenryanyone know how to stop services on startup, like fedora interactive on the boot console?
09:00.27ghenryour mysqld is hanging for some reason
09:00.41bhundvenapt-get install sysv-rc-conf
09:01.39bhundvenatleast that's what I use... you could also just go into the rc#.d directory and just start removing and adding links
09:01.53Gnea!sysv-rc
09:01.54dpkgwell, sysv-rc is zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
09:02.59bhundvenGnea: hmm. that works too I guess... i've just never had luck with it.
09:05.24ghenrythanks
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09:05.30ghenrybut we can't get that far
09:05.45ghenryany way to go interactive when things are booting
09:06.02ghenrysuppose we could go into init level 1 via kernel param
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09:14.48faber3Myon: but if i have two keys, how does ssh know to try with both?
09:15.08blondiefaber3: it tries one after the other?
09:15.43nilefaber3, what are the keys called?
09:16.13faber3nile: well, one is called id_rsa, and i want a second one
09:16.39nileright. by default it only tries id_rsa
09:16.42nileIIRC
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09:17.25SerajewelKSit also tries id_dsa, which is a different kind of key entirely
09:17.26faber3nile: so, how can i use a second key?
09:17.48SerajewelKSfaber3: ssh -i path/to/keyfile user@host ...
09:17.49faber3SerajewelKS: so could i simply use one rsa and one dsa key?
09:17.51nilefaber3, look at the -i option for openssh
09:17.54nileit should help
09:18.06SerajewelKSfaber3: that's one option, or you could use -i to pick the key to use
09:18.08faber3nile: well, i want to do this automatically
09:18.13nilefaber3, you don't need to do that!
09:18.24SerajewelKSfaber3: tough luck, this is linux, it doesn't do things automatically ;)
09:18.42nilefaber3, so automatic that you don't need to read the man page? :P really, look at the -i switch
09:18.48faber3SerajewelKS: well, i thought there might be a config option
09:18.58SerajewelKSfaber3: according to 'man ssh' there is a per-user ssh configuration file and you can map certain hosts to certain keys
09:19.24SerajewelKSfaber3: man ssh_config
09:19.40faber3<PROTECTED>
09:19.40faber3<PROTECTED>
09:19.52faber3ok, so there has to be a way
09:20.00SerajewelKSfaber3: right, man ssh_config and read.
09:20.58faber3SerajewelKS: so, i just put the key IdentityFile multiple times in the config?
09:21.18cat!bbiaf
09:21.18dpkgfrom memory, bbiaf is be back in a few
09:22.05SerajewelKSfaber3: you could for example do something like:  Host example1.com \n IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa-example1 \n Host example2.com \n IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa-example2
09:22.23SerajewelKSfaber3: or you could just list all of the identities and ssh will try each one, in sequence, for every host you connect to
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09:24.28mr_clauswill i get any problem with some pograms if i disable tls by moving /lib/tls to /lib/tls.disabled?
09:25.11faber3SerajewelKS: ok. i tried. it works.
09:25.32faber3thanks
09:25.47SerajewelKSfaber3: np
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09:27.10rowdo all debian maillist emails have a header that matches this regexp: ^X-Mailing-List: <debian-.+@lists.debian.org> ?
09:27.37SerajewelKSrow: lists\.debian\.org   presumably, yes
09:27.40rowdebian-administration.org has two regexps for soem reason seem todo same thing
09:27.45rowah yes \. sorry
09:27.54rowjust just and pasted off site, need to change it for maildrop
09:28.35peterSrow: or just use the list-id header as I do
09:28.43fontpis there a ifconfig flag to remove all configuration information from an interface?
09:29.05rowpeterS: I don't have a example header to look at.
09:30.02peterSrow: List-Id: <debian-devel.lists.debian.org>
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09:33.07Parashi all need some help,after upgrading to gnome 2.14 from sid very recnelty, Trash is not working !
09:33.24Parasany suggestions for me?
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09:34.28nileParas, what do you mean it isn't working? when you delete files, do they not go to the Trash anymore?
09:35.06Parasnile, yes exaclty
09:35.38nileParas, can you move them to the trash manually?
09:36.50Parasnile, when i delete the files, actulayy they move to .Trash but the trash box is empty when i see from desktop
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09:39.57nileParas, oh, you mean it works, but the icon doesn't reflect that files are in it?
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09:40.12Parasnile, exacty
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09:44.46nileParas, did your icon theme change?
09:45.17Parasnile, it's the default one. let me change to any other one..
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09:46.32faber3how come the memory usage in htop shows 20/60, wheras top says 60/64 MB ?
09:46.46Parasnile, same problem with all the themes
09:46.46nileParas, I'd like to suggest the Tango theme :) available from the gnome art site (unsure of the URL)
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09:46.59Parasnile, ok..
09:47.29Parasnile, which gnome debian package controls this trash
09:47.33nileParas, I'm out of ideas except restarting GNOME :(
09:47.59nileParas, I believe the desktop is controlled by nautilus
09:48.07Parasnile, hmm ok
09:48.26Parasnile, only few machines here i have that problem.. strange
09:48.54nileyou see it on multiple machines?
09:49.06aidanhow do I change the colour of output text (I'm writing something via stdout via an app)?
09:49.09Parasnile, yes
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09:51.13Myonfaber3: ssh-agent, ssh-add
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09:51.32slonuff.. anyone debian @ SAS drive?
09:52.18dm2Hello. I want to connect from an ISO8859-15 Debian to a UTF-8 system via SSH. How do I change the encoding (before or after connecting) to see and write the correct (file) names?
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09:53.34Myondm2: try luit
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10:02.22dm2Myon: Thank you. I need help getting it started. I tried "luit ssh server" but nothing happens ...
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10:08.13dm2Now I tried "luit -encoding 'utf8' ssh server" but nothing happens ... How to connenct to UTF( system?
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10:11.12niruI want to keep my lsb runtime test report somewhere so that viewers can give me feedback
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10:17.56cat!ipv6
10:17.57dpkgipv6 is, like, at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/
10:18.34mepplguten morgen
10:19.01wolsmorning's over
10:19.28catanyone here who's friendly with ipv6?
10:20.20mepplgood morning wols
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10:21.31niruI got a runtime test report for lsb.Now how to put that in web such that the channel users can view and give feedback
10:21.42faber3can i attach myself to a pts/2, so i can see what that user is doing?
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10:22.07Vaylorhi all
10:22.14cathi
10:22.21niruI got a runtime test report for lsb.Now how to put that in web such that the channel users can view and give feedback
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10:25.07Foxniru: use http://pastebin.ca
10:26.10catanyone here is good with ipv6?
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10:26.35hnaz_workhi.
10:26.51hnaz_worki'm currently playing around with preseed. The concept is really great
10:27.01hnaz_workbut there are a few things.. you know.. ;)
10:27.27niruFox:my report is exceeding the limited size so it is not getting pasted
10:27.28hnaz_workhow do i tell the debian-installer that the first thing he should do is setting up the network via dhcp?
10:27.54hnaz_worki don't care which language he uses but he asks for that
10:28.03hnaz_worki want to achieve a fully unattended installation
10:28.13Foxhnaz_work: use expert mode ?
10:28.21hnaz_workhm i tried expert26
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10:28.46hnaz_workthe idea was that i can still give some commandline options at boot
10:28.56hnaz_workbut this is limited in length
10:28.57Foxniru: don't you have any personnal website where you could upload it ?
10:29.29hnaz_workFox: and network configuration isn't available until other things are done
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10:29.53niruFox:no
10:30.02Foxhnaz_work: hu ? I don't remember that
10:31.52niruIn http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/tests.html it is mentioned that we have to put our reports  on a webpage or send them to Matt Taggart to post and then send a pointer to the debian-lsb list
10:32.43hnaz_workFox: it is with this boot cd
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10:35.08Foxniru: send your report to Matt then
10:35.31Foxhnaz_work: witch boot CD ?
10:35.46Foxhnaz_work: netinstall ?
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10:36.21infernixhrm. i have quotas enabled on XFS. du reports 69MB used for a specific user. quota -v reports: 18014398509481564 blocks used, 300000 limit.
10:36.39infernixisnt that, like, more than what's physically adressable at this point in history?
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10:38.02fireba11infernix: ouch
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10:38.28infernixhow many is that anyway, like 17.179.869.183 GB?
10:38.56SerajewelKSinfernix: damn, i want your system!
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10:42.50infernixSerajewelKS: me too
10:43.05row/^List-Id: <debian-[-a-9]+\.lists\.debian\.org>/ should match all debian lists should it not?
10:43.10rowin maildrop
10:43.42hnaz_workFox: mini install
10:44.00Foxhnaz_work: is that businesscard ?
10:44.17Foxrow: -a-9 ?
10:44.45row/^List-Id: <debian-[-a-Z0-9]+\.lists\.debian\.org>/ then
10:44.48Foxdoes that mean a-z0-9 ?
10:44.54rowdoes a-9 not match a-Z0-9 ?
10:44.57Foxah,
10:45.14rowand - to match - ie bugs-rc
10:45.19Foxand where's the @ ?
10:45.28rowList id does not have a @
10:45.35Foxoh sure
10:45.49hnaz_workFox: dunno.. ~120mb
10:46.01Foxit should match with [a-Z0-9] then
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10:46.15Foxhnaz_work: netinstall then
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10:46.35infernixhmm.
10:46.40infernixxfs_repair didnt fix the quota issue
10:46.49rowFox nah there is a - in it too don't forget
10:46.51g333kHello Debianitas!
10:47.04infernixnow i have to buy 17 trillion GB of storage
10:47.54hnaz_workjesus, really, i start hating it again. asks medium questions even i set debconf/priority=critical at boot
10:48.05hnaz_workFox: it hasnt even a netinstall boot-target
10:48.29rowFox: "List-Id: <debian-bugs-dist.lists.debian.org>"
10:48.31rowfor example
10:49.18hnaz_worklol, it just resets the priority
10:49.20xirjsis there a way to check a soundcard-signal from a shell?
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10:51.44rowhmm
10:51.46rowsomething is wrong here
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10:53.14hnaz_workFox: perhaps you are aware of a cmdline that says "do nothing, just load dhcp stuff and configure it"?
10:53.33Foxhnaz_work: I'm affraid I'm not, sorry
10:53.44hnaz_workFox: you have an idea where to ask for it?
10:53.51hnaz_workperhaps there is a preseed channel or something?
10:54.33SerajewelKS!wayttd hnaz_work
10:54.33dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, hnaz_work?
10:54.54g333k#debian-es
10:55.08hnaz_workSerajewelKS: hm?
10:55.22SerajewelKShnaz_work: i'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish
10:55.45hnaz_worki'm trying to install debian fully automated through a preseed file
10:56.12SerajewelKShnaz_work: file-preseed?
10:56.18hnaz_workthe problem is, that the installation is not automaic UNTIL the network is configured; sure - it can't load the preseed file from URL before that
10:56.21hnaz_workno, url
10:56.31NikolayDoes anybody know, how to fix the "E: Method rred has died unexpectedly!" error after each apt-get update?
10:56.45hnaz_workbut why does it need language and keyboard layout BEFORE running dhcp? i mean, it gets all those settings from preseed url anyway
10:56.52SerajewelKShnaz_work: well... if the network modules have been loaded, dhclient or pump should be available
10:57.24Alam_Debianhow do get the version of an installed package?
10:57.34SerajewelKSAlam_Debian: dpkg -l packagename
10:58.00hnaz_workSerajewelKS: hmm.. yeah. ok. could i set a precommand or something through commandline?
10:58.04Alam_Debianthank you SerajewelKS
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10:58.34SerajewelKShnaz_work: in theory... i'm not really sure.  i don't mess around with the installer much.
10:59.08Alam_Debianok... how do find what version of alsa I have?
10:59.17hnaz_workSerajewelKS: most do not.. ;)
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10:59.23hnaz_workbetter idea i guess
10:59.29FoxAlam_Debian: dpkg -l | grep alsa
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11:00.20Alam_Debianaahh alsa-base!
11:00.59SerajewelKSFox, Alam_Debian: or   dpkg -l alsa\*
11:01.29mr_clauswill i get into trouble if i upgrade remotely from sarge to etch?
11:01.49mr_clausare there any special services which i have to focus?
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11:02.43Foxyes SerajewelKS
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11:02.58ram_einsteinifconfig is part of which package?
11:03.25mr_clausram_einstein: dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig
11:03.37ralalahey :=)
11:03.57Foxnet-tools
11:04.00ram_einsteinmr_claus: net-tools. Thank you
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11:06.18ram_einsteinhow do I mount LVM logical volumes assuming that udev isn't installed on the host
11:06.54ram_einsteinif udev is installed, I notice that corresponding block devices are created in /dev/mapper
11:08.00tarzeauapt popcon
11:08.03aptpopcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
11:08.26Foxrow: because it only drops mail :)
11:09.43rowFox: :P
11:09.46rownever really had issues with it before
11:09.57rownot even sure if the filter file is being used.
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11:10.17Foxnever used it as well
11:10.38rowdoes not seem to be reading $HOME.mailfilter
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11:15.29deconvolutionhi, I have a 20G usb hd stored 4.5G data (FAT32 format).  Under windows it displays 14G free space but under linux df shows only 600M available.  Does someone experience such problem?
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11:18.30dimirWe called him  tortoise because he tough us!
11:18.39dimirtought too.
11:19.25cuscodudes... while having a mail server.. with exim daemon light..
11:19.32cuscosmtp is open to the public!
11:19.36cuscoshould it not?
11:19.41fireba11deconvolution: fdisk
11:20.26Halithersesdeconvolution, are you using an old kernel?
11:20.45blondiemr_claus: it'll *probably* be ok :)
11:20.50blondieoops
11:21.01blondieI was scrolled up several pages
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11:21.50deconvolutionfireba11: fdisk shows 20G
11:22.08deconvolutionHalitherses: 2.6.16
11:22.16fourathello all
11:22.20fourati have a problem with apt-get
11:22.22fireba11deconvolution: df -hT still reporting only 600 megs ?
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11:22.33Halithersesso that is not your problem
11:22.37fireba11fourat start with the details already
11:22.48fourati freezes on any command given
11:23.04fouratone second
11:23.13fouratto paste at pastebin.com
11:23.14fouratsorry
11:23.25fireba11fourat i suggest as first thing check your logs, check yur hard disk, and if everything is okay re-install apt-get
11:23.41deconvolutionHalitherses: any kernel mis-configuration problem?
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11:24.10deconvolutionfireba11: df shows size : 19G used 18G, 627 MB left
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11:24.59Halitherseswhat does du --max-depth=1 show?
11:25.17Halithersesadd the -h option also
11:25.35Halithersesfind out whatis using the space
11:27.00fouratfireba11, here's the pasted snapshot : http://channels.debian.net/paste/2981
11:27.15deconvolutiondu shows 4.5G used
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11:29.05Reveal!nl
11:29.05dpkg.NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html
11:29.08hollywoodstarWhat is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel ?
11:29.14Revealduh...
11:29.47Revealis there a nl debian channel ?
11:31.08Gnea!nl
11:31.08dpkg.NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html, or see #debian-nl
11:31.08FoxReveal: #debian-nl
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11:31.12deconvolutionhollywoodstar: /usr/src/linux/asm/include  ?
11:31.27deconvolutionsorry, /usr/src/linux/include/asm  ?
11:32.11hollywoodstarok
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11:40.30hnaz_worklol
11:40.38hnaz_workyou have to set a variable to "Erase entire disk: IDE master (hda) - 4.3 GB VMware Virtual IDE Hard Drive"
11:40.49hnaz_workthis is really nice for using the preseed file for more than one computer
11:40.54hnaz_worknice concept..
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11:41.00hnaz_work*rant*
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11:41.46anthrax[net]hello there is a rscadm available for the RSC port on debian
11:42.52faber3who can i find out how many cpu(s) a maschine has?
11:43.01pipelinefaber3: cat /proc/cpuinfo
11:43.15faber3pipeline: without having an smp kernel installed?
11:43.25pipelinefaber3: No dice.
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11:43.41pipelinefaber3: Install an SMP kernel.
11:43.52pipelinefaber3: SMP kernels, 99.999% of the time, work fine on UP systems and vice versa.
11:43.54anthrax[net]pipeline do you know an rscadm for debian
11:43.56anthrax[net]?
11:43.59pipelinefaber3: I don't even know why a UP kernel is normal.
11:44.18pipelineanthrax[net]: No, or I would have answered the first time.  This channel is active 24 hours.
11:44.48anthrax[net]ok
11:44.52Revealfox: thnx :)
11:45.11Revealanyone here have any experience with the NX server ?
11:45.44ktwilightBIND?
11:46.04RevealI was wondering if anyone got it working with windows client version 2.0 ...... having problems and wanne connect with my desktop ... :(
11:46.17Revealnop
11:46.18ktwilight...
11:46.20Reveal!nx
11:46.20dpkgi guess nx is http://www.nomachine.com/  NX terminal server client/server.  Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client.  Partially non-free. #nx
11:46.26faber3can i purge after a package has been removed?
11:46.36ktwilightyes you can faber3
11:46.43faber3ktwilight: how?
11:46.46ktwilightthough i dunno if that'll be effective
11:46.55ktwilightdpkg --purge <package> or aptitude purge <package>
11:46.57ktwilight!purge
11:46.57dpkgwell, purge is to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs.  To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c')
11:47.08faber3ktwilight: apt-get cannot do it?
11:47.13ktwilightit can...
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11:47.23ktwilightread :P apt-get remove --purge <package>
11:47.35faber3ktwilight: ah thx for th help
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11:47.40ktwilightif you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs
11:47.42ktwilightread that :/
11:48.39faber3is there something better than rcconf?
11:49.40ktwilightrcconf...sounds familiar
11:49.46ktwilightmaybe update-rc.d or sysv-rc-conf?
11:49.54ktwilightrcconf is for run levels right?
11:50.15faber3ktwilight: yes.. it is... i used to love redhats stuff for runlevel configuration
11:50.20ktwilight:)
11:50.27ktwilightsysv-rc-conf is nice... :)
11:50.33ktwilightuse with update-rc.d
11:50.44ktwilighti never use rcconf, so can't really compare
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11:55.09faber3what am i missing if no package can be verified (during apt-get install) ?
11:55.11vernhi, is it possible to move usr and home to another partition?
11:55.20blondievern: yes
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11:55.48fourathello am blocked with apt, it's freezing
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11:56.10fourathere's the snapshot : http://channels.debian.net/paste/2981
11:56.26blondiefourat: english please
11:56.27fouratit freezes like that on any apt-get command i do
11:57.02ktwilightfourat, try apt-get check *
11:57.03faber3fourat: can you do a CTRL-C to kill it ?
11:57.18fouratblondie, my system isnt, i can translate that, it freezes saying : building dependencies tree : 50%
11:57.24fouratfaber3, yes
11:57.30Gneafourat: apt-get update
11:57.34ktwilightfaber3, what do you mean verified?
11:57.40blondiefourat: maybe it's just being slow... how long did you wait?
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11:57.51fouratwhen it freezes, it consumes 100% of CPU (top)
11:57.51vernso how would i go about doing that - mount hdb1 as /usr and hdb2 as /home or can i lash them both on the one partition?
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11:58.18ktwilightcorrupted dependency dbase maybe>
11:58.25IronRoseswould it be possible to get my mp3 player working in debian, t has a hrd drive, I figurd that if I set it up as a usb hard drive, would it see it though?
11:58.26blondievern: is this a new system, or an existing one?
11:58.40blondieIronRoses: it might, depends on what make/model
11:58.51IronRosesI'm gonna try it....
11:59.01fouratblondie, it's a fresh install on adual core xeon, i waited for some 20 minutes, it consumed 100% of CPU without saying anything more
11:59.07vernexisting... thats why i was unsure - didnt wanna mess with current user stuff
11:59.12fouratapt-get check * freezed too
11:59.17blondiehmm dunno
11:59.35fouratktwilight, how to resolve a corrupted dependecie
11:59.47ktwilighttry apt-get check *
11:59.52ktwilightoh nm
11:59.56fouratapt-get check * freezed too
11:59.59ktwilightno idea then fourat
12:00.04blondievern: well, you'd probably need to boot from CD to move stuff around (though /home could be moved with it running, as long as only root is logged in)
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12:00.08ktwilighti'm guessing there's a dbase stored somewhere, where you can just delete. but i've no idea
12:00.14ktwilightliable may know :)
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12:00.25faber3how can i shrink "/" to get space for a new partition?
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12:00.58verni was gonna use root alright, so /usr could get corrupted if i did it as root? i haven't got a cd mounted, but have boot and root floppies
12:01.15peppetfaber3: resize2fs, if it is ext2/3
12:01.37faber3peppet: so resize, and than fdisk to change the partition table and than reboot?#
12:01.59faber3vern: what are you planning to do?
12:03.14peppetboot from another media and resize2fs the unmounted partition
12:03.19IronRoseshow do I delete a dir in linux.....
12:03.20IronRoseslol
12:03.22IronRosesseriosuly
12:03.25IronRoses-d?
12:03.44Foxrm -rf /some/dir
12:03.49IronRoseslo ,thanks
12:03.49vernset up a gis server using postgres on an old p120. hda is 1gb so wanna leave system stuff on that and lash all user stuff (/usr, /home) on 120gb hdb
12:03.55Foxor rmdir if the dir is empty
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12:04.51faber3peppet: its a remote maschine, no console access... sorry i forgot to mention: i need to shrink it while i am using it
12:05.20vernwas gonna use a raid array but don't really have the time to set up and configure it
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12:07.39faber3mmhh.. resize2fs says it can only expand the size of a mounted fs, but it has a "-f" switch. has anyone every tried to shrink a mounted fs ?
12:08.27ktwilightshrinking is not recommended, from what i've read.
12:10.18ktwilightdoes anyone know a good weather forecast package that sits in the system tray or something?
12:10.26dm2Hello. I try to connect to a UTF-8 system and don't know how to get luit to translate ssh for me. Any hints?
12:10.58ktwilight?
12:11.03ktwilightexplain please..
12:11.15dm2I'm on debian with ISO8859-15.
12:11.25dm2Want to connect via ssh to UTF8
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12:11.34ktwilighti'm guessing, configure your locales
12:11.37ktwilight!locales
12:11.37dpkgUse `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.  You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles)
12:11.58dm2I'll try ...
12:12.05ktwilight:)
12:12.43verncan someone give me a quick rundown for recreating usr and home on another hd (hdb) and copying the files across
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12:13.09vernwith use of boot/root floppies/
12:13.11vern?
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12:15.16RainbowWcan somebody point me to a curses-based bittorrent client that will handle multiple torrents from a single interface?  like, say, 200?
12:15.31peppetvern: go to runlevel 1, move /usr and /home where you want, symlink moved dirs, correct /etc/fstab
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12:18.42ktwilightbittornado maybe RainbowW? or rtorrent?
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12:19.47ktwilightthere's also ctorrent.
12:20.21dm2dpkg-reconfigure locales    didn't work. I get "6217 bus error" ...
12:20.55dm2(And I just realized I'm on Knoppix ...)
12:21.31ktwilight#knoppix? :)
12:21.50dm2Knoppix is a live cd based on debian
12:22.10dm2Ah, you mean channel #knoppix ...
12:22.13RainbowWis there a tool like less that will read gzipped files (README.txt.gz)?
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12:22.36GneaRainbowW: zless
12:22.41liableRainbowW: zless/zcat or better mc
12:22.42RainbowWty
12:23.51RainbowWmc is problematic for me.  works but a pain.
12:27.00faber3RainbowW: zless
12:27.05liablereally?
12:27.27Gneaheh.
12:27.28liablei personally prefer it even when in x
12:28.07RainbowWi love it, fabulous tool, but i've never been able to get it to work consistently in an ssh session with securecrt
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12:29.00liableoh, i dont even know what securecrt is, but its fine for normal ssh sessions here
12:29.43RainbowWit's a windows ssh client.  windows is required on the client side here for other reasons, don't even go there.
12:29.56blondieRainbowW: try putty
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12:31.09RvGaTehow do i make bootsplash work after installing it using at-get install bootsplash?
12:32.08RainbowWthis pipe the machine is on is awesome.  too bad the machine isn't faster.  =/
12:32.42darkhunter^RvGaTe: compile the kernel before patch
12:33.28RvGaTedarkhunter^, thats like chineese to me, any step-by-step guides?
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12:36.07FoxRainbowW: mc works great with putty
12:36.19liableRainbowW: ya, putty and mc work ok for me.
12:37.35RainbowWso i'm trying to compile libtorrent, and it's complaining that it can't find openssl's crypto library.  where am i supposed to point it, or what package am i needing to install?  this is sarge.
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12:43.10vernhi, was here a while ago, forgot to change machines when running single user mode.
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12:43.38vernsomeone was talking about switching to runlevel one and moving everything across, and something about symbolic somethings
12:44.05RainbowWgod i need to beat small furry animals with a stick or something.
12:44.51vernso at rl one, fstab is happy, ready to move usr and home but whats the deal with symbolic directories?:
12:45.14MyonRainbowW: apt-get build-dep libtorrent
12:45.21faber3can i mount an unshrinked ext3 on a too small partition if the start sector is still the same?
12:45.32RainbowWMyon: i got it.  libtorrent isn't available in sarge.
12:45.37RainbowWthat's why i'm building it.
12:45.38Myonfaber3: no, it will try to write past the end
12:45.50MyonRainbowW: there's a backport on bpo
12:46.01faber3Myon: but only when its getting full, right? and only if i write on it,right?
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12:46.36Myonext2/3 doesn't only write to the beginning
12:46.40peppetvern: if you have separate partitions on new hd for /home and /usr, you don't need symlinking
12:47.20faber3Myon: i have 7G used on a 160G fs. i want to shrink it to 150 G. so what are the odds ?
12:47.24vernok, i don't but i might as well cause symlinking is way beyond me.
12:47.59cydorkdoes anybody have idea about how to read a file 10 lines at a time ??
12:48.41Sonderbladewhen i run apt-get update it outputs: Packages that cannot be trusted may compromise the security in your system.... libfreetype6 libsals2 ...
12:48.42vernso basicallly, lash hdb1 and 2 into fstab as /usr and /home, hit runlevel 1, mv /usr /whatever/usr, do the same with home and reboot?
12:48.43esben_with bash? perl?
12:49.00Myonfaber3: shrink it before moving
12:49.21faber3Myon: i cannot shrink it. its the on-line "/"
12:49.44esben_faber3: Why not shrink it from a Knoppix CD or something?
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12:49.55Myonhmm, re-mount as ext2 and try to resize it online
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12:50.15faber3esben_: the box is at an ISP.. they refuse to do anything for me ... so i have to come up with a remote way to do it
12:51.07faber3Myon: online expanding the fs works with ext3, if the linux kernel is >  2.6.?? ... but online shrinking seems not to be supported (man ext2fs)
12:51.09esben_faber3: ok, stupid question I suppose.
12:51.12vernanyway, gotta go to work, cheers for the help.
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12:51.56ram_einsteinmy udev device permissions seem to be screwed. A normal user can't write to a block device after mounting with 'user' flag. How do I set this right?
12:52.41faber3my plan now: change the partition table, add a new partition at the end of the old one. reboot. cp "/" to the new partion. boot into the new partion.
12:53.41ram_einsteinfaber3: all this trouble could've been saved if you were using LVM
12:53.45ram_einsteinor even RAID
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12:54.10ram_einsteinhow do I mount LVM logical voluems on a host without udev installed?
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12:54.46sepram_einstein, load the lvm modules manually ?
12:54.56Myon/etc/init.d/lvm start will create the devices
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12:55.03ram_einsteinsep: then what? where are the block devices?
12:55.09ram_einsteinMyon: thank you, I'll read the script
12:56.21faber3ram_einstein: how would lvm help to resize a root filesystem?
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12:57.08ram_einsteinfaber3: yes, it would
12:57.50g333khi, how can I configure network-manager + wpasupplicant + madwifi?
12:58.31ram_einsteinhow do I fix the metadata area header chechsum of my LVM group?
12:58.37faber3ram_einstein: -- how ??
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12:58.48cydorkesben: in bash
12:58.57cydorkesben: sorry for replying late :P
12:59.12ram_einsteinfaber3: read about LVMs. With lvm tools. You should've already created it on an LVM though. You can't do much now
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13:00.14undesktophi, I can't connect to the internet (pppoe, DSL modem) using a vanilla kernel, but I can't with precompiled the Debian unstable kernel
13:00.23faber3ram_einstein: well, even on lvm you will need a filesystem. if that is ext3 you cannot shrink it on-line. lvm would not change my situation...
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13:00.40ram_einsteinfaber3: you can size it up, not down
13:00.49ram_einsteinRight, you'd need a filesystem
13:01.15ram_einsteinfaber3: offline, you can size it up or down though
13:01.32undesktophere's the maybe-important part of the log file: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2982
13:01.45Gneaundesktop: so you can't connect to the internet either way?
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13:02.02undesktopGnea: with the vanilla kernel it works
13:02.04ram_einsteinundesktop: what's the point of referencing two kernels?
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13:02.14Gneaundesktop: you said it didn't.
13:02.16ram_einstein"I can't connect to the internet (pppoe, DSL modem) using a vanilla kernel"
13:02.24ram_einsteinundesktop: okay, let's assume you can
13:02.35undesktopram_einstein: well, I didn't change anything from my system, except exchanging the kernels
13:02.38ram_einsteindoes the new kernel give messages to identify your hardware?
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13:02.47ram_einsteinie dmesg
13:02.55Gneaundesktop: so what branch/kernel versions are you using?
13:03.01undesktopups, sorry, I _can_ connect to the internet with the vanilla kernel
13:03.03ram_einsteinand does lspci list the modem?
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13:03.28undesktopGnea: it works with 2.6.17.1 vanilla and 2.6.12.3 vanilla, but not with the 2.6.17-1 Debian kernel
13:03.29Gnearam_einstein: it's a dsl modem, it's not going to show in lspci
13:03.41ram_einsteinGnea: ofcourse
13:03.43Gneaundesktop: it's probably missing some modules
13:03.46undesktopwell, lspci of course lists my network card
13:03.54ram_einsteingood
13:04.04ram_einsteinnow, what's the error?
13:04.19undesktopGnea: maybe, but the modules I expected were all there (I compared the lsmod output when running with all three kernels)
13:04.24Gneaundesktop: you should paste the output of lsmod from both instances
13:04.24ram_einsteinGnea: I didn't read it properly, I thought he was dialing up
13:04.43ram_einsteinundesktop: get discover
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13:04.53ram_einsteinundesktop: that'll make sure the correct modules are loaded
13:04.54undesktopGnea: arrg, I didn't save the not-working lsmod output
13:04.55Gneaundesktop: again, what branch of debian?
13:05.01undesktopGnea: unstable
13:05.05Gneaok
13:05.14undesktoppackage linux-image-686 or so
13:05.24Gneaundesktop: how are you logging in? with /etc/init.d/networking restart?
13:05.34Sonderbladeanyone know what W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: Unknown error at execution of gpgv means?
13:05.50GneaSonderblade: yeah, it means the gpg file on their site is empty
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13:06.01undesktopGnea: how I log in? it's just a local machine and I use the Gnome display manager to log in into X
13:06.13mdgif I'm migrating from one linux server to another...do I call that migrating?  Or, transfering?  Or what?  I'm having trouble finding info on how to do it with google.  Only brings up Migrating from windows to linux junk.
13:06.13SonderbladeGnea: ok how do i fix it?
13:06.22ram_einsteinSonderblade: don't use the website
13:07.14undesktopGnea: and I never executed such a line like /etc/init.d/networking restart
13:07.14Gneaundesktop: yes, how do you login to the internet? it's a dsl, so i assume you need to pass a username/password
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13:07.22undesktopGnea: oh right, I use "pon dsl-provider", where pppoeconfig created the config for "dsl-provider"
13:07.25snd-ca0106how do i compiles programs from withing xcoral ?
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13:07.38undesktopGnea: for both kernels, the config file was the same, and it works on the vanilla kernel
13:07.56m0dYany idea how to put an execlude list in apt-get ?
13:07.58Gneaundesktop: what happens if you run pppoeconfig again with the debian kernel?
13:08.08undesktopGnea: I have to say that I have to execute pppoeconfig on my system to "make it work" (pppoeconfig loads some modules)
13:08.14m0dYto prevent some programs from being installed/upgradede
13:08.44undesktopGnea: yes, I also ran pppoeconfig on the Debian kernel, but this is the result (I allready posted that): http://channels.debian.net/paste/2982
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13:09.05ram_einsteinhow do I fix the metadata area header chechsum of my LVM group?
13:09.11ram_einstein*checksum
13:09.15Gneaundesktop: it could be that 2.6.17 has some bugs. have you tried 2.6.16?
13:09.34Cae2looking for a file, how can I know from what package it is? auto-apt search filename doesnt show..
13:09.37undesktopGnea: well, it _did_ work with the 2.6.17.1 vanilla kernel
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13:09.45Gnea...
13:09.53undesktopGnea: strange enough, the debian kernel is also 2.6.17.1
13:09.57undesktop(I guess)
13:10.05cyziehow do we know the throughtput of writing speed and amount of data being write in the hdd? from the "bar"(forget the exact word) to the disk?
13:10.18Gnea!assume
13:10.18dpkghmm... assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me
13:10.30snd-ca0106how do i compiles programs from withing xcoral ? and how do i make it highlight syntax ?
13:10.32ram_einsteinhow do I mount my volume groups on another distro's livecd?
13:10.38undesktopat least the version number is the same
13:10.43peppetm0dY: put that packages 'on hold' with dpkg
13:10.44Gneaundesktop: look, does 2.6.16 show up if you apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 ?
13:11.30undesktopGnea: it does; so you propose I should try "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686" ?
13:11.46undesktop(I think it's rather a problem with the Debian kernel config in general)
13:12.35Gneaundesktop: try it and see what happens.
13:13.14vaggiehow can i set /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock to 1 on boot?
13:13.43undesktopGnea: ok, I'll try it... I have to exit and reboot to test it; should I collect some more system infos (like output of lsmod) when I'm running the debian kernel?
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13:14.19mETzanybody using dspam? I'm having quite a few permission problems with a backported package (using sarge)
13:14.29snd-ca0106What's a good IDE-based tool for programming ?
13:14.54mETzalthough dspam is setgid it has problems creating files in /var/spool/dspam
13:15.18undesktopsnd-ca0106: Anjuta, KDevlop, Codeblocks, Emacs...
13:15.34Gneaundesktop: sure
13:15.37undesktopthat's KDevelop
13:15.43undesktopGnea: which?
13:15.44vaggiehow can i set /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock to 1 on boot?
13:15.45Gnealsmod
13:15.59Foxvaggie: /etc/sysctl.conf
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13:16.36undesktopGnea: nothing more? ok
13:17.55streunerSonderblade: you can't, you have to wait till people fixed it on the server...
13:19.23vaggieFox: sys/xen/independent_wallclock=1
13:19.25vaggiedidnt help
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13:19.46timerirq600 folk
13:19.48timerirqgood
13:19.49Foxno
13:19.54timerirqwhat then?
13:20.02timerirqsome of are clones?
13:20.13Foxsys.xen.independent_wallclock = 1
13:20.26Gneatimerirq: you are?
13:20.28Foxecho sys.xen.independent_wallclock to see if it exists
13:20.36vaggieFox: thanks
13:20.41timerirqme what?=
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13:20.55Gneayou're a clone?
13:20.57timerirqor i am
13:20.58timerirquhm
13:21.16timerirqa clone?maybe im not sure about the context of your questyion
13:21.29timerirqbut if you are using the 'clone' term in realy meaning
13:21.30Gneanevermind, you're just an idiot.
13:21.30timerirqthen im not
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13:21.42timerirqme an idiot?
13:21.42timerirqwell
13:22.07timerirqthe root of this term comes from platon in real , it became ide on mr.locke and it become idiot
13:22.16timerirqby new generatin
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13:22.28mETzspam[9727]: query error: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  <-- something is really weird about dspam :/
13:23.00snd-ca0106undesktop there's one optimized for Java ?
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13:23.22vaggieFox: didnt work
13:23.27timerirqgood lucks
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13:24.27Gneammmmmmm, curry burritos
13:24.28zignighas anyone got libapache2-mod-auth-kerb properly on etch?  I can't seem to get it running.
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13:24.36CornelliusHi, I just installed Debian. However, the resolution is way too big. How can I change it ?
13:24.50zignigGnea: what kind of curry ?
13:24.59Gnea!drxx
13:25.00dpkghmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.
13:25.07jerem77Cornellius: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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13:25.24CornelliusUsing xfree
13:25.38Gneazignig: a combination of mccormick and cari en polvo
13:25.51zignigGnea: mmmm, sounds yummy.
13:26.15Gneazignig: dude i just stuffed 4 of them into my empty stomach. i am ready for bed :)
13:26.41Gneazignig: that is, refried beans+spinach+creamed corn+salsa+curry
13:26.48zignigGnea: i'm a big fan of Clive of India curry powder, even if _he_ was a complete bastard....
13:27.03zignigGnea: burp! :)
13:27.06Gneait's all about the curry #)
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13:27.55zignigGnea: been messing with xen virt-servers , have you tried that , very tasty .. ;P
13:28.22Gneazignig: it's been quite awhile, never got it to work right yet... haven't tried recently
13:28.32zignigGnea: I've got 5 debian boxes running on a PII 500. ;)
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13:28.44vaggieFox: there?
13:28.46Gneazignig: each running X? ;)
13:29.07zignigGnea: nope , they are have 64 Mb or ram.
13:29.21Gneazignig: that's fuckin' insanely awesome
13:29.36zignigGnea: testing servers, i'm trying to make an autodeployment system that can do dns/mail/web servers on demand.
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13:30.21Gneazignig: yeah, i've been wanting to set something up like that... i might give it a go soon... do you know if it works well on an amd64?
13:30.34zignigGnea: it works ok ( so i've heard )
13:30.44Gneasweet
13:30.48zignigGnea: the only amd64 I have is my desktop ( this pooter )
13:30.59Gneazignig: that's what you're running it on?
13:31.11zignigGnea: nope , it's on an old junk box.
13:31.17Gneaoh yeah
13:31.28Gneatoo much curry
13:31.30zignigGnea: the xen3 kernel should be in testing in about 6 days.
13:31.35vaggiehow can i set /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock to 1 on boot?
13:31.45Gneascrew testing, i'll use unstable #)
13:31.47zignigGnea: so it will be apt-get install .
13:31.59zignigGnea: it's already there then.
13:32.06Gneaok cool
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13:32.27zignigGnea: all my prod machines still run stable , because it's um ..... stable :)
13:32.34CornelliusI still using 800 x 600
13:32.36zignigGnea: Gnite-Gnea
13:32.38Gneazignig: of course! ;)
13:32.42CornelliusCan<t change resolution
13:32.49Cornellius*Can't
13:33.16kristalino"zignig : testing servers, i'm trying to make an autodeployment system that can do dns/mail/web servers on demand.", with only one public ip or several public ip ?
13:33.20zignigCornellius: ctl-alt and plus or minus on the num pad.
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13:33.52zignigkristalino: it's all internal (192.168.x.x) at the moment.
13:33.54CornelliusI only see two resolution avalaible
13:34.13zignigkristalino: and i'm rejigging it so it can be virtual or real servers.
13:34.16CornelliusI have a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128 Megs
13:34.39zignigkristalino: its preseed/ldap/cfengine/python scripts.
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13:36.03CornelliusI'm also using XFREE86
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13:39.02Bitzhi, any ideas why i am getting this problem? ide: failed opcode was: unknown;  Error: Medium error -- (Sense key=0x03)
13:39.09Bitzis a bad cdrom?
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13:40.01zignigBitz: bad cdrom drive or disk.
13:40.14zignigBitz: try a known good disk in the same drive.
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13:41.15wlnetcan the debian-sys-maint user that comes with debian mysql be deleted?
13:41.22Bitzthis cd works fine on other system
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13:41.32infernixwlnet: if you do, it will interfere with stopping and starting
13:41.34stewwlnet: you shouldn't delete that user
13:41.47zignigwlnet: it's used to fix borked tables on service start.
13:42.09zignigBitz: try another drive or ide cable.
13:42.21zinxit's not the ide cable
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13:42.39Bitzdon't have another cdrom drive or cable
13:42.40wlnetstew: ok, what about its  password, can that be changed?
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13:42.58gumpishIs there a comprehensive list of kernel arguments somewhere?
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13:43.01zinxBitz: if it's on CD-RW, try putting it on CD-R
13:43.13zinxBitz: otherwise.. you're probably screwed if you want to access it.
13:43.21roxy_I can't get any sound, how can I grep dmesg to find where is the problem ?
13:43.32zinxBitz: you can tell the kernel to retry several times on Medium error, but you'll have to hack some source, and the drive probably still won't read it
13:43.34undesktopGnea: it works now with even the newest Debian kernel, and I have no idea why; could it be because I installed discover ?
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13:43.40Bitzits the only cdrom drive on the system
13:43.51rudolphhi
13:44.01zignigBitz: you have a problem then.
13:44.15zignigBitz: copy the iso over the network if you can and mount it locally.
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13:44.50Bitzdon't have the option for doing that
13:44.52rudolphcan anybody help me getting my sound device working
13:44.59wlnetcan the password for debian-sys-maint user of mysql be changed?
13:45.20stewwlnet: yes, read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*/README.Debian
13:45.24zignigwlnet: if you change it in the mysql perms table as well , it _should_ be ok.
13:46.00wlnetzignig: what about changing it with phpmyadmin? would that be complete?
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13:46.28stewwlnet: no
13:46.52zignigwlnet: you'd have to change it in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf as well.
13:46.56stewyes
13:47.06wlnetok, thks.
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13:47.41wlnetthe reason  i am asking about debian-sys-maint is because it is causing error during boot=up.
13:47.52rudolphNo volume control elements and/or devices found. this is the message i get in gnome
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13:48.04CornelliusStill can't change the resolution damn :(
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13:49.28SerialHellloooooooo
13:50.52wlnetzignig: can't manually change the password in debian.cnf. it is in encrypted form.
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13:51.14stewwlnet: did the instructions in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server*/README.Debian not work?
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13:51.30undesktopsome modules aren't loaded automatically when booting, how can I change this? the modules are: mousdev, psmouse, floppy, loop
13:51.48wlnetstew: no. not much there.
13:51.50undesktopfurther, I need to execute pppoeconfig before I can connect to the internet, which sucks
13:51.55Foxecho them in /etc/modules ?
13:51.58stewwlnet: just put the password in debian.cnf
13:52.38Cornelliusabrotman: You there ?
13:52.39undesktopFox: interesting... why isn't this file automatically maintained by debian?
13:52.45abrotmanCornellius: hi
13:52.45stewwlnet: its not encrypted
13:52.47rudolphdoes anybody has an idea?
13:52.59Cornelliusabrotman: I have installed Sarge
13:53.10Foxundesktop: maybe because your OS doesn't know what you want to be automatically loaded at boot time ?
13:53.17abrotmanCornellius: good for you
13:53.30abrotmanCornellius: are you having a problem? :)
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13:53.49wlnetstew: ok, i will change it there to be the same as with phpmyadmin.
13:53.51undesktopFox: oh right... i.e. X wants to access the mouse, but doesn't found it... in ancient times, modules were loaded automagically when someone accessed the corresponding device file!
13:53.52abrotmanCornellius: i doubt the nv driver in xfree fully supports your card
13:53.54CornelliusStill having problems with the resolution
13:53.59abrotman!tell Cornellius about nvidia one-liner
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13:59.14khnhwhat's up guys, i am having trouble with wireless configuration
13:59.39wlnetafter my last upgrade, mbmon can't be started during boot. i have set 'START mbmon=YES' in /etc/default/mbmon. has anyone else experience this?
14:00.18khnhmy laptop has an Ethernet and a build-in wireless lan, when i lspci, only the Ethernet shows up
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14:00.37abrotmanCornellius: please don't msg me .. keep it in the channel
14:00.47abrotman!tell Cornellius about non-free
14:00.49abrotman!tell Cornellius about contrib
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14:01.04CornelliusIt's 4 lines...
14:01.43abrotmanthat's not the point ..
14:02.02CornelliusI know
14:02.04abrotmanCornellius: anyways .. the nvidia binary drivers are in non-free .. include those sources .. then use the nvidia one-liner
14:02.07khnhlspci does not list my wireless card, what can I do to make it recognized
14:02.15CornelliusI just don't want to flood
14:02.26abrotman!paster
14:02.26dpkgsomebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
14:02.29kristalinois it another place where is stored the hostname, in addition to /etc/hostname in debian  ?
14:02.29abrotmanor use #flood
14:02.43Foxkristalino: /etc/hosts ?
14:02.45abrotmankhnh: is it pci ?
14:02.55kristalinoFox, yeap, except that too ?
14:03.05khnhit is a build-in wireless LAN antenna
14:03.05Foxkristalino: what's your problem exactly ?
14:03.16abrotmankhnh: mini-pci ?
14:03.27wlnetproblem with apache too. during boot, i have msg "/usr/sbin/apache is not executable". but i am using apache2 which works fine. why that msg?
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14:03.30abrotman(though .. my minipci card shows in lspci)
14:03.40khnhi think so
14:03.40kristalinoFox, debconf remember the hostname i gave at the installation. Even if i change /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
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14:04.08khnhabrotman: how do you determine that
14:04.20abrotmankhnh: lspci should show it unless it's pcmcia
14:05.16khnhit only shows ethenet controller
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14:06.42khnhabrotman: is there any way to fix this
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14:06.54abrotmancheck in dmesg to see if it's there
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14:07.55heh_v_waterI've installed debian on a USB drive but as we all know, not all PC's can boot from USB. Does anyone know where I could find docs on how to build a boot cd for the USB install possibly?
14:08.30rower why not just use a cd for the install then?
14:08.38abrotmanUSB is R/W
14:08.48rowso are cdrw ;)
14:08.53heh_v_waterright I can add packages etc anytime
14:09.13abrotmanrow: yes .. but you have to blank it before you can reburn ..
14:09.18rowtrue
14:09.34heh_v_waterrow why question my methods of implementation? this is what I want I am just looking for some info
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14:09.48rowheh_v_water: I am not questioning it
14:09.54kristalinoFox, then ?
14:09.55abrotmanheh_v_water: try a LFS setup maybe
14:10.07abrotman!hostname
14:10.07dpkguse hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname'
14:10.09Foxkristalino: and what's the problem with that ? what if you change the hostname using 'hostname your.host.name' ?
14:10.23kristalinoFox, ok.
14:10.42abrotman!lfs
14:10.43dpkgwell, lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch
14:11.12kristalinodo you know if it's possible to authenticate to a win2003 server ldap (AD) from linux ?
14:11.16abrotman!tell heh_v_water about linux from scratch
14:11.19Foxpeople are so lazy nowadays :)
14:11.25zignigkristalino: it is, possible.
14:11.27abrotmankristalino: it is .. don't ask me how .. it is .. try #ldap
14:11.35roxy_I got all alsa package installed, I got a /dev/dsp file, but when I run alsamixer , I got nothing .
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14:11.45kristalinozignig, without too much pain ?
14:11.56zignigkristalino: pain == windows.
14:11.59Foxroxy_: what does 'nothing' mean ? it's not in our vocabulary
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14:12.06heh_v_waterisn't there any kind of debian utility that can build a rescue cd?
14:12.12kristalinozignig, yeap, i know
14:12.15zignigkristalino: it's not too hard, jam and i'll dig up a bookmark for you.
14:12.17abrotmanheh_v_water: yep .. apt-cache search
14:12.21anabain_can I print from linux to a printer controlled by a winbugs machine through samba?
14:12.22heh_v_waterk ty
14:12.40roxy_Fox: well, It is black, on top left there is the card , chip and view, but nothing else
14:13.33roxy_Fox: nothing to adjust the sound
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14:14.01Foxroxy_: did you try another mixer ? like aumix ?
14:14.38roxy_Fox: well, alsamixer used to work. So no.
14:14.43abrotmangah .. no formeror!
14:14.46zignigkristalino: http://thelazyadmin.com/index.php?/archives/381-LinuxUnix-Active-Directory-Authentication-Integration-Part-1.html
14:14.47abrotmanor whatever his nick is
14:15.01kristalinozignig, thanks
14:15.02zignigyou'll need to install the unix extension on your DC aswell.
14:15.06Foxthelazyadmin.com, hehe
14:15.12kristalinozignig, ouch
14:15.16zignigFox: the best kind. ZZZZZZZZ
14:15.24peppetanabain_: yes, with smbprint/smbclient
14:15.25kristalinozignig, i don't have any access to the win2003 server :(
14:15.30zignigkristalino: hack that schema......
14:15.59zignigkristalino: ah , you can't do unix uid/gid stuff then.
14:16.10kristalinozignig, :(
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14:16.22zignigkristalino: sorry doood.
14:16.42roxy_Fox: the first line of alsamixer is : Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x8b1
14:16.45anabain_peppet, these are apps, or what?
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14:17.14Foxroxy_: is that what you used to see before ?
14:17.25roxy_Fox: but my mother board is: 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20)
14:17.30roxy_Fox: no
14:18.24zignigabrotman: what has cyrus done now ?
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14:18.38Foxroxy_: did you upgrade your kernel or alsa libs these days ?
14:19.11roxy_Fox: I do update/ upgrade frequently, but can't know exactly when my sound stopped working
14:20.18abrotmanzignig: i'm supposed to be the admin .. but apparently i'm not
14:20.30abrotmanzignig: makes it hard to run cyradm
14:20.30Shadowcatadmin of what?
14:20.57abrotmandamn courier doens't support subdirs of shared folders .. dovecot in sarge doesn't support shared folders at all ... and cyrus21 is a pain in the ass
14:21.10heh_v_waterbrb ty for the help it looks like mindi may be of some help to me
14:21.12Shadowcat!info cyrus21
14:21.41Foxroxy_: checked the BTS ?
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14:21.48Shadowcatwhat's cyrus21 abrotman?
14:21.57khnhabrotman: i just scanned through dmesg and both Ethernet and Wireless cards are recognized
14:21.58abrotman!info cyrus21-imapd
14:22.00dpkgcyrus21-imapd: (Cyrus mail system (IMAP support)), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.18-3 (sid), Packaged size: 565 kB, Installed size: 1588 kB
14:22.05Shadowcatah thanks
14:22.29roxy_Fox: what sort of module should I see with lsmod ?
14:22.54Foxroxy_: lots of snd_*
14:23.06abrotmankhnh: so load the drivers?
14:23.18roxy_Fox: so it is ok to have snd_pcm_oss ?
14:23.41zignigabrotman: ah, it sure does, no privs for you .... (erk)
14:24.08abrotmanzignig: uh .. i set them it should
14:24.13blondiewiggle
14:24.19Foxroxy_: yes it's ok
14:24.28zignigabrotman: cyrus borked out on me , posfix/dovecot has been running smooth as for about 12 months now.
14:24.43khnhabrotman: you mean by modprobe [drivers]
14:25.55wolszignig: dovecot uses maildir?
14:26.00khnhabrotman: lsmod and driver for my wireless card which is orinoco is there
14:26.05zignigwols: you can set it up to.
14:27.14roxy_Fox: is there a word I could look for in dmesg to maybe find an error message about sound ?
14:27.40wolszignig: so wha does it use by default?
14:28.02zignigwols: mbox ( 1 file ) , I think.
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14:28.31wolsick!
14:28.56wolswell, it replaced uw-imapd I guess...
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14:29.34zignigwols: uw-imapd bit the big one, dovecot works great for pop3/imap and authenticates out of ldap just fine.
14:29.35Foxroxy_: alsa or alsactl ?
14:29.36CornelliusWhere can I find good servers for APT ? The ones I have right now are slow.
14:29.47stewCornellius: /msg dpkg mirrors
14:29.47FoxCornellius: where are you from ?
14:29.47Shadowcatgood servers?
14:29.52Shadowcatjust use the nearest country mirror
14:29.53stewCornellius: or look at apt-spy
14:30.19CornelliusFox: Quebec
14:30.26moshiiShadowcat: sometimes the ones in your own country are slower than ones thousands of miles away
14:30.32Shadowcatso use ftp.cn.debian.org or something
14:30.37Foxok, ftp.us.debian.org is slow for you ?
14:30.40Shadowcatmoshii: I'm in Sweden
14:30.50zignigShadowcat: i've always though that the debian mirrors should be any-cast or geo-ip resolved.
14:30.50Shadowcatand cdimage.debian.org is right under my university
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14:31.18eleftheriosany ideas about this?: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
14:31.22moshiiShadowcat: I'm in Gibraltar at the moment, servers in Spain will probably be slow here because all the IP traffic goes to London first :/
14:31.23zignigShadowcat: that way mirror.debian.org could be made the 'closest working' server for everyone.
14:31.44Shadowcatzignig: isn't that easy, but interesting thought
14:31.54Shadowcatalthough mirror.debian.org would be thorougly ddosed though
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14:32.02Shadowcatthoroughly even
14:32.15vy2wusorrry, I missed the site for wifi drivers for wifi for debian
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14:33.00zignigShadowcat: not if you did you split horizon dns based on load as well ( akamai style )
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14:34.08zignigShadowcat: it's an idea, it would make serving debian packages much more consistent.
14:34.50zignigShadowcat: if I had my way (when I rule the world) , it would be multicast p2p. hehe ;)
14:34.52CornelliusFox: It's ok, found one 1 hour away from me :)
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14:35.11roxy_Fox: can you think of another place than dmesg to look for some error message ?
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14:36.20stewCornellius: an hour away? would that be somewhere around 1.0 * 10^12 meters away?
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14:36.48moshiizignig: someone created an torrent based system a bit back
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14:37.00zignigstew: somewhere past Saturn ?
14:37.10zignigmoshii: really , cool.
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14:37.36zignigmoshii: do you have a url ?
14:37.38stewwould that be a system whereby all of you packages get stuck at 99%? :)
14:37.57moshiizignig: http://sianka.free.fr/
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14:38.06zignigstew: damn lag!
14:38.43freeone3000Is there any way to get decent 3d hardware acceleration on an nVidia GeForce 5700FX?
14:38.44zignigstew: I can hear the gamers bitching already.
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14:39.04Foxroxy_: did you try /etc/init.d/alsactl stop|start ?
14:39.06freeone3000I've installed nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel, am using "nvidia" for my x config...
14:39.06moshiifreeone3000: install the nvidia binary drivers
14:39.12zignigmoshii: thanks .... ;)
14:39.22freeone3000moshii: Meh. Definatly. I'll try to get them to work again.
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14:39.34myrendpkg I hate you so very very very much
14:39.42myrenwhy do you not remember version #'s
14:39.45myrenpunk bitch
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14:40.35wolsroxy_: kern.log and dmesg. depending on how long ago you booted
14:40.45roxy_Fox: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1PQly035.html
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14:41.18roxy_wols: rebooted less than 2 hours ago but can't find anything related to sound
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14:42.49eleftheriosany clues about this error? (I get it on apt-get update): W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
14:43.07Foxroxy_: ans still no luck with alsamixer or aumix ?
14:43.10Foxs/ans/and/
14:43.33roxy_Fox: I didn't  check, it is working now. :-)
14:43.41roxy_Fox: thanks a lot for your help
14:43.48Foxyou're welcome
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14:46.24Foxbye everybody
14:46.54roxy_I have 2 sound output speaker and headphone/mic. I want to switch from one to the other easily. Is the best place to do so arts or alsamixer ?
14:47.25MoDaXroxy_: alsamixer, kmix etc
14:47.40CornelliusOk, so now that I have used the one liner Apt-get to get the Nvidia tools, it is installed ?
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14:47.57CornelliusI probably need to restart X ?
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14:48.52myrenthis Xorg install is fucking hell, upgrading from 6.8.2
14:48.59myrenit braeks again and again and again
14:49.13myrenand every time it breaks i ahve to go through like 40 packages and tell them what version to install
14:49.51dongsand linux users complain about windows "dll hell"
14:49.53myrenpinning leaves much to be desired, given dpkg & apt's inability to remember state properly
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14:49.59dongswhich has been a non-problem for over 8 yeras now
14:50.35roxy_MoDaX: atm, I am playing a cd with juk. There is no sound output. If I speak into the mic then it is outputed into the speaker. I don't really see in alsamixer a way to output the cd into the speaker .
14:51.05dongsroxy_: uh
14:51.13dongsyou unmute the cd playback
14:51.18dongsand probably mute mic
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14:52.34roxy_dongs: ok, now I don't have mic to speaker output, but still no cd to speaker output.
14:53.02dongslol, does the cd hae that cd audi ocable connected toyour system board and/or soundcard?
14:53.04roxy_dongs: forget about it. I'll read the manpage then ask again.
14:54.09roxy_dongs: sorry, actually I use juk, it is digital from harddisk to speaker
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14:56.14CornelliusOk, the display is fine now. Now I would like to download the Testing (Etch) packages.
14:56.24CornelliusI just need to replace stable by testing in sources.list ?
14:56.40freeone3000If you want your entire system to be testing, yes.
14:56.48freeone3000Then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to upgrade.
14:57.05dongswell then problem solved
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14:57.25freeone3000Booyakasha. Works. Nvidia-glx kinda should do something.
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14:57.33CornelliusMy friend told me that the testing branch was pretty stable. Told me not to touch Sid though :)
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14:57.49blondieCornellius: stability of testing is variable, but generally ok
14:58.14kamoricksYou wouldn't want to run a server off testing, but it's mostly okay for competent end-users.
14:58.39stewCornellius: testing breaks less often than sid, but when it does it's often broken for a longer period of time, and packages are often temporarily removed from testing completely
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14:59.57Sonderbladewhen i run apt-get update it outputs: Packages that cannot be trusted may compromise the security in your system.... libfreetype6 libsals2 ... why?
15:00.01BankHeadI'll find out
15:00.15blondieBankHead: you're a new helper-bot?
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15:01.56CornelliusOk, now I'm with Sarge, and I have only commented the testing APT sources. To get a testing Debian, I only need to use the ''mark all upgrades'' in Synaptic ?
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15:04.55harshal_Pcan't boot into windows.... pl help
15:05.02harshal_Pi just installed debian
15:05.04harshal_Pwith LVM
15:05.08CornelliusShould I use Default Upgrade or Smart Upgrade ?
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15:05.55ChrisWis there any way to get cron to not run a job if it's already running?
15:06.00harshal_Pplease help.... cant boot into windows after installing debian, its under over LVM
15:06.18freeone3000harshal_P: Did you install a bootloader?
15:06.19harshal_Plilo has the entry but doenst give option to boot in windows
15:06.22harshal_Pyes.
15:06.29freeone3000harshal_P: Er. Didja try grub?
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15:06.35harshal_Pya.
15:06.45freeone3000Same thing? Mayhaps it's something messed up with windows.
15:06.57harshal_Ppatilha01:/home/harshal# grub-install /dev/sda
15:06.57harshal_P/dev/mapper/disk1-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
15:07.09harshal_Pfreenoe3000: this is error for grub
15:07.25harshal_Pi have to boot in windows for some programs :(
15:07.29freeone3000I don't know how grub actually works. I just installed it and it worked...
15:07.38stewharshal_P: yeah, you need to install grub onto a real drive not on a logical drive
15:07.45stewoh wait
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15:07.51stewi misread that
15:07.51harshal_Pyes, i installed on real drive only
15:08.42stewharshal_P: what kind of controller is /dev/sda?
15:08.50harshal_Pits a SATA
15:08.55harshal_Phard drive
15:09.15freeone3000Here's a random guess. Is it hooked up in BIOS?
15:09.41harshal_Pyes, everything was fine, i reinstalled debian because i wanted it to use LVM
15:09.49harshal_Pit was running properly earlier
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15:10.13dazjorzHi
15:10.18stewharshal_P: try lilo
15:10.27dazjorzI want my server to update the time from NTP automatically, how do I do that?
15:10.36stewharshal_P: or try asking #grub
15:10.44harshal_Ptried... lilo gets installed, but when i reboot, it simply has only entry for debian
15:10.46harshal_Pand boots up
15:10.52harshal_Pi checked lilo.conf
15:10.57stewharshal_P: did you add an entry to lilo.conf for windows?
15:11.03stewdazjorz: install ntp-simple
15:11.16stewdazjorz: and ntpdate
15:11.16harshal_Pthe entry for windows is there, and while installed it says that added linux and windows
15:11.50stewharshal_P: when you run lilo it says "adding windows" but when you boot its not there?
15:11.59harshal_PWarning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
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15:12.47harshal_Phellooo
15:12.48dazjorzstew, Thanks :)
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15:13.04dongslol, devfs
15:13.05dazjorzstew: Will ntpdate update the system time too?
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15:13.26dazjorzharshal_P: Don't paste in the channel!
15:13.29harshal_Pok
15:13.32harshal_Psorry
15:13.33cydorkharshal_P: Are you using a stock kernel?
15:13.42fourathow to test if my microphone is working ?
15:13.48stewdazjorz: it updates the system time at boot, or anytime you "/etc/init.d/ntpdate start", ntp-simple will track your clock drift while the system is running
15:13.50harshal_Pcydork: what is that? and how do i know that?
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15:14.13harshal_PWarning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
15:14.14dazjorzstew, Thanks a lot
15:14.17harshal_Pi get that error
15:14.19harshal_Pfor lilo
15:14.21harshal_Pinstallation
15:14.29stewharshal_P: what does "uname -r" say?
15:14.45stewharshal_P: please use a pastebin instead of pasting here
15:14.45dazjorzstew: /etc/init.d/ntpdate doesn't exist
15:14.50harshal_P2.6.15-1-486
15:14.58harshal_Pstew:2.6.15-1-486
15:14.59stewdazjorz: what version of the ntpdate package do you have installed?
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15:15.12dazjorzstew: By the way, this is what it said when Unpacking ntp-server
15:15.30dazjorz"Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/ntp{,-simple,-refclock}
15:15.31dazjorz"
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15:15.53cydorkharshal_P: What error does it give after selecting windows from grub menu?
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15:16.21dazjorzstew, I don't think I have ntpdate installed...
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15:16.39dazjorzbut ntp 1:4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1 is ntp
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15:16.43stewharshal_P: what version of grub do you have installed?
15:16.48dazjorzntp-simple and ntp-server is same
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15:17.07dazjorzstew, Oh wait
15:17.12dazjorzstew, You meant that as install both packages?
15:17.13stewharshal_P: i know recent kernels require a newer version of grub
15:17.19dazjorzstew, I thought you meant, install ntp-simple and run ntpdate
15:17.27stewdazjorz: no, install both packages
15:17.32dazjorzstew, Done
15:17.38dazjorz"30 Jun 17:17:22 ntpdate[29636]: no servers can be used, exiting"
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15:17.44dazjorzis that normal?
15:18.02dazjorzAnd I don't want to run a ntpd if it's possible...
15:18.34dongspool.ntp.org
15:18.37dongsor someshit.
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15:18.45dongsreal distros come wiht some small util called netdate
15:18.50dongsthat doesnt require installing 10 megs of ntpd crap
15:19.04dazjorzOh yeah it's server pool.ntp.org in the config file
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15:19.38stewdazjorz: make sure you have "server pool.ntp.org" in /etc/ntp.conf
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15:19.49dazjorzstew: Yeah, just did, it's allright now
15:19.58dazjorzstew, probably it's a first-time-start thing or something
15:20.08dazjorzuh
15:20.09dazjorzno it's not
15:20.15dazjorzwhen I run ntpdate it gives the same error
15:20.21dazjorzbut in /etc/ntp.date is that
15:20.30dazjorzserver pool.ntp.org
15:20.42cydorkharshal_P: what are the devices listed in /boot/grub/device.map
15:21.04draskoHi all. Is there an easy way for installing hurd - like apt-getting?
15:21.13harshal_Pvihang: (fd0)   /dev/fd0
15:21.13harshal_P(hd0)   /dev/sda
15:21.18stewdongs: you can add debian to the list of distros that will let you sync with ntp without installing "10 megs of ntpd crap" and you can symlink netdate to ntpdate if you prefer that name
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15:21.29stewdazjorz: can you ping pool.ntp.org?
15:21.47dongsstew: yes, i will symlink 10megs of ntpd crap to get same functionality that i get out of 20k binary of netdate
15:21.55dazjorzstew, times out
15:21.55blinkohi, i just updated and upgraded and my fonts magically changed, how can i switch back to xfonts-artwiz please?
15:21.59dongsstew: how logical
15:22.02dazjorzstew, 200.9.74.4 ?
15:22.10draskoto install hurd I have to make Grub floppy?
15:22.17dazjorzstew, I mean, when I ping, it says "PING blahblah", and then nothing
15:22.20dongslol, mexican ntp pool
15:22.28stewdazjorz: ntpdate is 37k is that too big?
15:22.33dazjorz28 packages transmitted, 0 received, 100% package loss, time 27015 ms
15:22.46dazjorzstew: what?
15:22.49cydorkharshal_P: and wht about the menu.lst?
15:22.55stewdongs: ntpdate is only 37k
15:23.01dongsstew: see what its linked against
15:23.04cydorkharshal_P: are you sure that all the entries are correct?
15:23.17dongsnetdate is 11k on here.
15:23.36harshal_Pentries are correct. its the problem with my LVM
15:23.47harshal_Pthe mapping had not been done correctly
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15:24.31stewdongs: it links to libpcap and libc
15:25.11stewdazjorz: i can't ping 200.9.74.4 either, but pool.ntp.org resolves to many other addresses
15:25.28dazjorzyeah, now it works
15:25.28kristalinoin wich package is the dig or nslookup command ?
15:25.39dazjorzif it takes 209.204.159.18 it works fine
15:25.47stewkristalino: dnsutils ; /msg dpkg apt-file
15:25.57dongsloool
15:26.01dongsjesus christ libpcap? wtf
15:26.02roxy_using arts control tool , that kde system and juk are being played and outputed to the same bus. However I can't hear the output of juk. What else should I do ?
15:26.02kristalinostew, already done i don't find it.
15:26.14dongsand linux users are complaining about windows bloat?
15:26.15kristalinothanks i didn't found it
15:26.22stewdongs: please chill out
15:26.25dongsnetdate links to libc
15:26.27blinkoawesome, thanks for the help. next time maybe i'll ask a simpler question.
15:26.27dongsand nothing else
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15:26.33dongsas it should be, i mean how freaking hard is ntp
15:26.55stewdongs: why don't you look into packaging netdate for debian?
15:27.18dongsso by installing ntpdate not only do you bring in 10megs of ntp crap, you also bring another 10 megs of libpcap
15:27.23dongsand whatever shit THAT depends on.
15:27.28cydorkharshal_P : i dont think this problem is due to lvm.
15:28.03harshal_Pcydork: check the personal message from me.
15:28.23stew!info ntpdate
15:28.25harshal_Pcydork: it clearly states the LVM mapping errors while installing lilo
15:28.25stew!info libcap1
15:28.30dpkglibcap1: (support for getting/setting POSIX.1e capabilities), section libs, is required. Version: 1:1.10-14 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 60 kB
15:28.31dpkgntpdate: (The ntpdate client for setting system time from NTP servers), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.0a+stable-9 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 104 kB
15:28.39stewdongs 50kb + 104kb installed, not 20mb
15:29.14stew!depends libcap1
15:29.18dpkglibcap1: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4)
15:29.21stewdongs: and libcap1 doesn't depend on anything
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15:30.18cydorkharshal_P : Ohh i was still thinking about the grub booting issue
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15:31.21draskohi all. What to put to sorces.list to upgrade from testing to unstable?
15:31.48dongsstew: libpcap1? does that mean thers more than one?
15:31.57stewdongs: no, 1 is the soname
15:32.34draskohow to upgrade from testing to unstable?
15:32.40dongs!info netdate
15:32.49dongslol
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15:32.57dongsim glad i use windows xp professional sp2.
15:33.15stewdongs: do you have any debian related question or are you just here to troll?
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15:33.31stewdongs: if you think debian should include netdate, i'd be happy to point you to resources to help you package it for debian
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15:34.08draskohow to upgrade from testing to unstable?
15:34.22stewdrasko: /msg dpkg iyhtays
15:35.04moyix<PROTECTED>
15:35.22draskook.
15:35.59roxy_is that true: With only 1 sound device, if I use aRts I can have multiple program outputed to the same output .
15:36.10draskoI just wanted to ask - should be sources.list be updated before, or after dist-upgrade?
15:36.47stewdrasko: dist-upgrade doens't necessarily have anything to do with switching from one dist to another, its just a version of upgrade which is willing to install or remove packages instead of just upgrading existing packages
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15:37.01stewroxy_: yes but if you are an alsa user, look at dmix, /msg dpkg dmix
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15:37.44dabreegsterroxy_: Right. esd (esound) does the same thing, but poorly. I dunno how well arts works. There's another alternative, but I can't think of the name.
15:37.57dongsheh
15:38.06dongs2006, and kernel audio mixer is still missing from linux
15:38.06draskostew, well is not that (dist-upgrade) a way to switchfrom my existing Etch to Sid?
15:38.15stewdongs: no it isn't
15:38.27roxy_stew: but being a kde user, isn't arts the easiest way ? (ease of use is more important than performance for me)
15:38.30dongsyou can actually blame linus for that, he expressly denied includingsuch feature in the kernel due to "bloat"
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15:38.35dongsstew: yes, it is
15:38.41stewdongs: what about dmix?
15:38.57roxy_dabreegster: it is dmix
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15:39.12dabreegsterroxy_: Yeah, that's it.
15:39.15stewdongs: do you have any debian related questions, it seems like you are just spouting inflamitory and incorrect statements.  if you don't have any debian related, i suggest you just move on
15:39.50stewroxy_: i don't know about kde
15:40.03Angels2"kernel audio mixer" ... o-m-g
15:40.21stewdrasko: you should read the apt-howto
15:40.37dongsAngels2: uh, yeah
15:40.45dongsAngels2: something windows had since win95
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15:41.05iveqyhi, I need some help to get DRI working on my laptop with ATI rage lt pro.
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15:41.11stewdongs: i've silenced you for 10 minutes.  please keep the discussion constructive and on topic after that
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15:41.47roxy_stew: for arts would #kde the best place to ask ? ( I tried #arts but was very lonely)
15:41.56stewroxy_: try #debian-kde first
15:42.05stewroxy_: which may have moved to oftc
15:42.21roxy_stew: ok, thanks
15:42.36kdean06I had clamav and a few associated packages installed, and somehow my clamav FILES vanish. dpkg can not properly remove these packages now because it can't find the scripts it uses. Is it possible to trick dpkg into "thinking" that these packages are nOT installed, and just proceed as if they are not?
15:43.18sontekHey, i'm trying to setup anonymous shares so I don't have to send a username.. My config is: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1Q46Sl28.html   but I can't get access to the files
15:44.40draskostew, am I missunderstanding chapter 3.5 Upgrading to a new release, or apt-get dist-upgrade is a way to switch from Etch to Sid?
15:45.53fourati dont understand why my sound card does not permit two simultaneous sound sources working, it says (device is busy) whenever a second application want to play sound, example: if amarok is playing, xmms will not play, neither audacity, neither any other sound players
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15:47.53roxy_fourat: are you using gnome or kde ?
15:48.10fouratroxy_, KDE
15:48.26stewdrasko: dist-upgrade is a way of upgrading packages which would also be willing to install previously uninstall pacakges or remove packages which may be necessary for switching from one release to another
15:48.52roxy_fourat: arts should be able to help you. (but don't ask me how, I am having issue with it atm)
15:49.40roxy_fourat: you can also have a look at dmix
15:49.45wolsfourat: cause alsa doesn't have a software mixer built int. look at dmix
15:50.09wolsand no, arts is most certainly not helpful, at least not universally. In my experience arts hinders more than it helps, much more
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15:51.17draskostew, I am really confused. I sterted with sarge. Changed sources.list (stable->testing), than did apt-get dist-upgrade, and I thought I have Etch system now. And you are now telling me I don't.
15:51.33roxy_wols: you mean that even using a lot of kde app I shouldn't use arts ?
15:51.48stewdrasko: no, that's not at all what i'm telling you
15:51.52roxy_wols: and for me ease of use/configuration is the most important
15:51.54fouratwols, dmix ? apt-cache search dmix << got nothing there
15:51.55wolsdepends if you want to use non-kde apps too
15:52.01stewdrasko: it sounds like you are probably running testing
15:52.08wolsif only kde arts can work. if not, arts _will_ be a problem
15:52.31wolshttp://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
15:52.49draskostew, than I will do the same thing -change testing to unstable in sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade. Than I'll have Sid. Right?
15:53.19stewdrasko: yes but, iyhtays
15:53.26wolsmostly. helps if you change kernels too
15:53.37draskostew, thanks
15:53.44roxy_wols: reading arts manual, it says I can wrap non arts-aware application to make them use arts. Is it that bad ? I would like to use gnomemeeting at some point.
15:53.46kspathdrasko: If You Have To Ask You Should Not
15:53.50roxy_s/I/it
15:54.11draskokspath, I know...
15:54.24wolsdo whateevr you want. I hate arts, always did
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15:56.08meriadarts given definition and shape to life.
15:56.19meriadexcept if you mean kde arts in that case I hate it also
15:56.24pinnaclehi whaat driver/tool is required to make pinnacle usb tv stick (dvb-t) work on debian ?
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15:56.41meriadpinnacle- a roberts head and a hammer
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15:57.29pinnaclemeriad>?
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15:57.36pinnaclecan't work ?
15:58.00meriadpinnacle- i dont know, I was trying to be funny :>
15:58.22wolspinnacle: we don't know if it can work. if it can work under linux in general,  it will under debian
15:58.30wolsif it can't, it won't work under debian either
15:58.47wolsyour best bet is googling for it and some drivers for linux for it
15:59.02pinnaclein general usb dvb-t sticks requires what ?
15:59.11wolskernel drivers
15:59.31meriadpinnacle- contribute one!% :P
15:59.34bgatquick question: is etch using qt4?
15:59.37wolstv programs are the normal ones like tvtime, xawtv etc
15:59.50wolsbgat: packages.debian.org
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16:00.50bgatwols: yea, I checked there and it seems to say 3.3.x; but my memory was qt4, just wanting to make sure I was reading it right.
16:01.02meriadanyone want abotu half a dozen various machines with various architectures and os's installed
16:01.07meriadim trying to clear out my basement
16:01.17pinnacle<PROTECTED>
16:01.17meriadand have about 6-9 machines i wanna get rid of
16:01.22bgatmeriad: what architectures?
16:01.47bgatwols: is the only realistic way to get qt4 to debootstrap unstable?
16:01.48meriadbgat- i got a few usparcs, an old ibm rs serevr, as/400, an alpha, and some intel and amds
16:02.03wolsbgat: why debootstrap?
16:02.23wolsyou intall any debian distro, set your sources.list to unstable and dist-upgrade. if you want sid that is
16:02.29bgatwols: 'cause I can't torch my production workstation (sarge), and I don't have a spare machine handy
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16:02.56meriadbgat- i also got a 1U, and a 4U
16:03.08bgat1U and 4U what
16:03.17meriadintel machines
16:03.25meriadcpus, but no memory or HD's
16:03.28wolsbgat: that doesn't explain the part about debootstrap in any way
16:03.31meriadand rails :P
16:03.36meriadso you can put it in a cage :>
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16:04.44bgatwols: if I dist-upgrade from my ordinary root account, I dist-upgrade my production workstation which has a ton of library-dependent applications under development right now.  I have to build a chroot so I can test just a few qt4 apps I've been provided....
16:05.11bgatwols: .... and I was under the impression that debootstrap was a good way to make chroots
16:05.15samuelhow can i see bogomips on my computer
16:05.44wolsgrep bog /proc/cpuinfo
16:05.55meriadbgat- guess you arent interested
16:06.08wolsbgat: ok if you want a chroot. easier to check pdo however :)
16:06.09bgatmeriad: swamped, now is not a good day for haggling.  :)
16:06.21bgatwols: pdl?
16:06.23samuelwols, thx
16:06.25bgatwols: s/l/o?
16:06.31wolspdo
16:06.39meriadbgat- haggling, Im giving free hardware, if i was asking for moeny that'd be haggling
16:07.05bgatmeriad: :)  I've been mulling it, but the last thing my wife wants to see right now is a truck offloading new hardware for me.  :)
16:07.16wolsmeriad: s/hardware/paperweights :P
16:07.24bgatmeriad: I'd probably have to drop it off at my new divorce lawyer's office.  :)
16:07.54meriadbgat- then do that...
16:07.54bgatwols: so what is "pdo"?  apt-cache doesn't turn anything up...
16:08.12bgatmeriad: I'd better pass, for my own sake. sorry!
16:08.37wolspackages.debian.org
16:08.42meriadmy girlfriend loves my hardware
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16:08.45meriadshe compliments it all the tiem
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16:09.10meriadshe likes to hear the humming of my ultrasparc while we make love
16:09.54bgatmeriad: seems like it wouldn't fit down there, but ...  ;)
16:09.57wolsbgat: yes it's in testing
16:10.06wols4.1.3-2
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16:10.29denmaethI need help with cd burning - i installed xcdroast but it doesnt see my burner
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16:10.49bgatwols: aah.
16:10.49bgatwols: sigh  so apparently an apt-get install kde won't get it?
16:10.49denmaethim trying to burn a .avi
16:11.42wolskde is not (yet) based on qt4 afaik
16:11.58bgataah, that's my mistake then.
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16:12.19denmaethwols, i wish it was that easy :)
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16:12.54wolsstart your burnprogram of choice. make a new "Project", drag the avi in there. burn it
16:12.57meriadim sober now for three hole months its one accomplishment you helped me with the one thing gthat always that tored us apart is the one thing i'll never touch again in a sick way i wanna thank you for holding my head up late at night while i was busy waging wars on myself you were rying to stop the fight you never doubted my warped opinions on suicide or hate you made me compliment myself when it was way to hard to take
16:12.59wolswhat was hard there?
16:13.20wolsmeriad: sober people use punctuation :P
16:13.23meriadheheeh
16:13.31meriadwols- thats a good song though i was listening to it
16:13.35meriadwols- its provocative!
16:13.53bgatmeriad: what a .... buzzkill.  :)
16:14.01denmaethxcdroast doesnt see my burner and cd roaster wont do .avi
16:14.01meriadbgat- hahah
16:14.10meriadbgat- im El Senor Buzzkill-io
16:15.01wolsdenmaeth: cd burn programs don't care what file it is. they just burn a CD with it
16:15.09wolsif you want transcoding, that's a whole different thing
16:15.31tarzeauapt popcon
16:15.38aptpopcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
16:16.48meriadi like sudo its secure, easy to use, and verbose as hell :P so you know when monkies are messing with your system0
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16:17.04meriadcause it flods /dev/stdout :PPP
16:17.18blondiemeriad: it's secure?
16:17.20wolsmy syslog is also verbose as hell. all the important info is buried under heaps of rubbish
16:17.29meriadblondie- as opposed to give user direct access to root, yes :p
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16:17.45wolssudo bash
16:17.54ktwilighthmm...debian dovecot package forces one to use mysql?
16:17.57meriadwols- SUDO CHOOPSUEYY
16:18.38stewktwilight: yes
16:19.01wolsfor user auth or for imap mailboxes?
16:19.15ktwilightstew: how come? but i'm guessing i can change to postgres right?
16:19.32meriadktwilight- yes
16:19.36ktwilightgood good
16:19.38stewwols: for user auth
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16:19.40bgatshoot... I'm running etch in a chroot, building a qt4 application.  when I run the app, I get "cannot connect to X server".  anyone know what's broken?
16:19.42ktwilightso i can remove mysql packages meriad?
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16:19.58meriadktwilight- ya :P
16:20.01ktwilightsounds like breaking dependencies though
16:20.06stewktwilight: you will need to keep libmysqlclientXX installed, dovecot is linked against it
16:20.14meriadstew: blar
16:20.19ktwilightah ok
16:20.26stewktwilight: i don't believe that dovecot has postgres support
16:20.30meriadstew- you could get the source package and recompile
16:20.39stewmeriad: yes
16:20.41meriadstew: and dovecat does have postgresql support
16:20.45stewok
16:20.45ktwilightonce i'm done configuring, i hope i don't bump into any problems :)
16:20.56ktwilight:)
16:21.03stewmeriad: i was just about to type the "but i could be wrong" :)
16:21.05ktwilighthttp://wiki.dovecot.org/DovecotPostgresql <- that's what i'm following
16:21.09ktwilightso...yea... :)
16:21.15meriadstew- :)
16:21.28meriadstew- its friday, i'll give you a break :)
16:21.30meriadstew- hehehehehee
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16:21.41zamaliphehow to play the flash vedio files "*.swf"
16:22.00stewmeriad: happy friday!
16:22.09meriadstew- HELL YEZ
16:22.20meriadstew- im staring down the evil clock watching as time slow ticks by
16:22.25meriadstew- relativity is such a funny thing
16:22.30ktwilighthaha
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16:23.32stewmeriad: :) if you keep your clocks as stationary as possible, they will tick faster, i guess
16:23.46meriadI like Einsteins analogy, he stated relativity is this.. "When on a date with the woman you are wooing an hour goes by in a second, While sitting on a hot stove an second seems like an hour :P
16:24.06GoAuLd!mplayer
16:24.06dpkgi guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>
16:24.09meriador somethin to to that affect :)
16:24.10kdean06meriad, Einsein was full of great quotes. :-)
16:24.23dabreegstermeriad: I've always heard the first bit as "Holding the hand of a pretty girl"
16:24.24meriadkdean06- i like "An Eye for an Eye leaves the whole world blind"
16:25.42kdean06meriad, That man is my personal hero. His writings on the moral obligations of ones' work (atom bomb, anyone?), his god/science co-mongling... Just a really awesome, peaceful and happy guy. Except for the depression and anti-social behavior. :-)
16:25.55kdean06s/co-mongling/co-mingling
16:26.01fourat_wich is better ? OSS or ALSA ?
16:26.14ktwilightalsa :)
16:26.18kdean06fourat_, OSS is depreciated, so I'd say ALSA in MOST cases.
16:26.41dabreegsterdeprecated, not depreciated
16:26.42kdean06fourat_, Obviously, if ALSA doesn't work for YOU, then OSS would be. :-)
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16:26.59fourat_kdean06, so wich one should i install to handle efficiently my sound system !
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16:27.27kdean06fourat_, Give ALSA a try. If that doesn't work (it most likely will) then try OSS.
16:27.37fourat_ALSA is working but with many problems, i should run alsaconf on each reboot to get sound on, no mic, no simultaneous use of sound card
16:27.42roxy_where can I find a mp3 file to test alsa on , I am using testing .
16:27.42maikolwhat do i get if i need 3d acceleration
16:27.59kdean06maikol, nvidia or ATI?
16:28.04maikolnvidia
16:28.07kdean06!nvidia
16:28.08dpkgDO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..."  - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists
16:28.12dabreegsterroxy_: Type something random in singingfish.com
16:29.11roxy_dabreegster: there should be some mp3 file in a debian system , no ?
16:29.48wolsno
16:29.52dabreegsterroxy_: Not really by default. I'm sure some package somewhere includes one, but I can't think which one. Maybe a game.
16:29.54wolsthere should be no mp3 decoder either
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16:30.18wolsmp3 is patented, therefore debian can't ship it
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16:30.25dabreegsterWell not in the base system, but mpg321 is in the repository
16:30.28giacushello
16:30.43giacuscan anyone help with this?: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
16:30.50giacususing Debian testing
16:31.12roxy_dabreegster, wols: true, I didn't think about it.
16:31.20zamaliphehow to play the flash vedio files "*.swf"
16:31.45Vasisthazamaliphe: I think there's a deb package flashplayer-plugin
16:32.00giacusIf I run gpgv: keyblock resource `/home/roberto/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error
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16:32.15Vasisthazamaliphe: ...dunno if that's in marillat's repository; I could check
16:32.25Shadowcatlots of stuff is in marillat
16:32.25roxy_giacus: it is a know issue with no solution atm
16:32.33zamalipheVasistha: but how to play local files
16:32.39giacusroxy_: thanks
16:33.01roxy_giacus: np
16:33.28draskohow to find out is my hda is master or slave, and on which controller?
16:34.21stewdrasko: hda is master on the first controller
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16:34.29jellyzamaliphe: some swf work in realplayer8 (yuck). most work in flashplugin-nonfree, except for flash 8.
16:34.34stewdrasko: hdb is slave, hdc and hdd are master/slave on the second controller
16:34.50jellyzamaliphe: just open the local file in the web browser
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16:35.08draskostew, thanks
16:36.04Vasisthad'oh
16:36.07zamalipheok thanks
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16:38.26meriadoh boy oh boy
16:38.43Fish-FaceDoes anyone have a working patch for /etc/init.d/rc for use with bootsplash progress bars?
16:39.13Alam_Debiani had an Iomega Zip 250(non-USB) in my pall for a year now, and now, I want to use on my system? what modules do I have to load?
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16:40.12dabreegsterFish-Face: I believe there's a new bootsplash package with that. It might still be in unstable.
16:40.32Fish-FaceI have unstable repos pinned at a low priority, so I'll try that
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16:41.10sontekThis is my samba config: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7VQD8d34.html  and I still can't get anonymous access to it
16:41.25stewFish-Face: splashy might be easier because its userspace (you don't have to recompile your kenrel), /msg dpkg splashy
16:41.29WaREXI have just installed ircd-hybrid on sarge, I've tried telnet localhost 6667 from the server and ircd responds but from outside it doesn't. Do you know what to add to iptables?
16:41.35blondiesontek: did you restart samba after making changes? :)
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16:42.21Fish-Facestew, oh, the splash works fine
16:42.34Fish-Facestew, although knowing that would've been helpful, nonetheless :)
16:42.41Fish-FaceI've already patched the kernel and so forth
16:42.46stewahh, ok
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16:43.09Fish-FaceI guess I'll try splashy when 2.6.17 comes through, with a vanilla kernel.
16:43.15littleballhello, in the Makefile.patch, how to interpret the lines?
16:43.16sontekblondie: yeah
16:43.23dabreegsterI think I tried a bunch of different bootsplashes once, all unsucessfully. Something to do with never being able to properly select framebuffer mode or something.
16:43.25littleballsome lines with + at the begining
16:43.36littleballsome lines without "+" at the begining
16:43.39sontekblondie: and I can connect to it via smbclient -L localhost   and not put in a password and it connects just fine
16:43.53meriadlittleball- M4 Macro format
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16:44.14blondiesontek: what is the other client?
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16:44.18Fish-FaceOK, I'll try with the updated bootsplash package... cheers
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16:44.36meriaddont paste stuff here
16:44.40meriadpaste it on pastebin please
16:44.53Shadowcataww
16:44.56blondiewho pasted?
16:44.58littleballmeriad, i pastee in private msg.
16:44.59Shadowcatwho removed the hateball factoid
16:45.01Shadowcat:(
16:45.02meriadlittleball- thats what i meant
16:45.11meriadblondie- littleball pasted some stuff in my query
16:45.16blondiemeriad: well, reply there :P
16:45.17littleballok
16:45.22meriadblondie- NO!
16:45.24meriadblondie- im too lazy!
16:45.31blondieinsolence!
16:45.31meriadblondie- then i gotta type /msg littleball :|
16:45.39blondiereally
16:45.49meriadblondie- no not really!
16:46.03blondiesurely you could just type, as you must have seen it being pasted there
16:46.08meriadmaybe!
16:46.12meriadbut i never thought of it that way!
16:46.22WaREXthis is hard
16:46.50meriadnwe york to la to blah blah blah
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16:47.22samuelsup all
16:47.35samuelhow can i reconfigure my console keymap?
16:47.48blondiesamuel: but it's not supper time yet
16:48.30sontekblondie: Windows XP
16:48.37dabreegstersamuel: It used to be /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz, but with console-setup or something, this all changes. When you find the right file, just edit it. THere are some manpages, hangon..
16:48.46blondiesontek: does it prompt for username/password, or what?
16:49.04sontekblondie: yeah it prompts
16:49.11dabreegstersamuel: Read man 5 keymaps for the format
16:49.12sontekblondie: and I try typing 'guest' but that doesn't work
16:49.23samueldabreegster, thanks
16:49.25sontekblondie: and I remember setting up samba before to allow guest access without prompt
16:49.29sontekI just don't remember how I did it :P
16:49.32sontekdidn't save my config
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16:49.37blondiehmm
16:50.51blondiesontek: try "guest only = yes" as well as "guest ok"
16:51.03roxy_is !ops the normal way to find ops on all channel
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16:51.10blondieno
16:51.12blondieit's not
16:52.39meriador is it!
16:52.41roxy_blondie: would you know the way for #kde channel ?
16:52.59meriadtry asking chanserv!
16:53.12fourat_am about to remoe ALSA from debian, wich system can replace it ? arts ? oss ? ...
16:53.15meriadroxy_-  /msg chanserv access #kde list
16:53.24roxy_meriad: thanks
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16:54.26meriadrox- np
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16:54.28meriadroxy_- np even
16:54.31sontekblondie: that didn't work. I remember having issues with this before and it was because 'guest' actually defaults to 'nobody' but I don't remember how to fix it
16:56.37roxy_meriad: how can you find on which channel was last seen someone ?
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17:00.22anabain_roxy_, what does 'ops' mean? Moderation privileges of one member of the channel or something like that?
17:01.02roxy_someone capable of acting when someone else has an unappropriate behaviour
17:01.10anabain_ok
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17:11.12pngwenafter trying to install some ruby packages, aptitude has taken to segfaulting.  How can I make aptitude stop segfaulting?
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17:11.36pngwen(I'm actually running knoppix btw, but their room is silent)
17:11.52stewpngwen: try a knoppix mailing list then
17:12.17pngwenstew: I've been searching them, but to no avail.  Does this ever happen in debian?  It can't get past loading its cache
17:12.37pngwenstew: and it does make me nervous since I have quite a few servers that would be totally destroyed if this happened to them
17:12.47pngwenstew: debian servers that is
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17:13.23stewpngwen: a quick glance says there are no such reports in the debian bug tracker.  i don't see what ruby would have to do with aptitude, aptitude is written in python not ruby
17:13.42pngwenstew: right, I was installing ruby packages when it happened though
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17:13.53pngwenstew: segfaulted in the middle of the install, and now can't start
17:13.53bgatanyone know how to build the nvidia module on etch?  looks like nvidia-kernel-source is gone...
17:15.31Sonderbladehow do you use start-stop-daemon to stop a process which doesn't use a pid file?
17:16.08wolscreate a .pid file in your start-stop script
17:16.13stewSonderblade: by starting the daemon with -m to have s-s-d create the pidfile for you
17:16.42Sonderbladestew: thanks
17:18.03myrendid debian recently enable dmix by default in alsa?
17:18.15myrenmy intel intelgrated has never mixed automatically before
17:18.30roxy_I want to cd into a directory. The name of the directory is written in kanji. I can't input kanji. How do I do it ?
17:18.31pngwenoh well, off to plug at this some more
17:18.35ShadowcatIntel doesn't have a hardware mixer
17:19.01wolsmyren: alsa itself has dmix by default now
17:19.16myrenno hardware mixer in intel, thats frapping weird
17:19.28Shadowcatdude wtf it's ac'97
17:19.31Shadowcatget over it
17:20.01Shadowcatthere isn't a single ac'97 solution that supports hardware mixing
17:20.06myrenok, didnt know that
17:20.13anabain_is there any non-kde app capable of displaying and printing a ps file?
17:20.22myrenis mixing in Azalia spec, perchance?
17:20.27myrenseems like a pretty grand oversight
17:20.38ShadowcatAzalia isn't AC'97
17:20.46Specazalia is high definition?
17:20.46Shadowcatand it's supposed to support 32 channels
17:20.56ShadowcatSpec: yes Azalia is HD Audio
17:21.07Specyeah, i've gotten it to work once :p
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17:21.12myrenyes indeed, Azalia is a replacement for AC'97
17:21.13stewanabain_: gv
17:21.17myrenits the new codec, from my understanding
17:21.27Shadowcatno, it's a new specification
17:21.32ShadowcatIntel does not make codecs
17:21.48anabain_thanks, stew
17:21.56ShadowcatAnalog Electronics and Realtek each have Azalia compatible chips
17:21.58Specyeah, it's not a codec
17:21.58myrenAC'97 isnt a codec either, its the spec which codecs are built to
17:22.15myrenthats my understanding
17:22.23d_kapt-get install build-essential returns unmet dependencies: http://pastebin.ca/75841
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17:22.29d_kwhat can i do?
17:22.37samuelsup all
17:22.38myrenthats cool though that azalia has mixing builtin
17:22.40wolsconsidering who invented ac97 and azalia, it's no surprise there isn't any hardware mixing anywhere: with hardware mixing the cpu has less to do and intel can't have that
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17:22.54Shadowcatd_k: what verion of debian?
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17:23.06d_kam, how do i know?
17:23.06myrenits pretty marginal work mixing sound.  at least if the sample rates are the same.  it more effects latency of the sound than anything else.
17:23.08Specisn't it better for intel if the cpu works less? :)
17:23.14d_kShadowcat, how do i know?
17:23.15d0tslashhello
17:23.18Shadowcatactually from what I understand Azalia does implement hardware mixing
17:23.23Shadowcat!tell d_k about repeat
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17:23.42Shadowcatd_k: cat /etc/debian_version
17:23.48wolsno, if the cpu works less you don't need a better faster cpu for new stuff. the more your CPU works, the better wfor intel
17:23.54wolssee USB. same thing
17:24.01d_ktesting/unstable
17:24.02d0tslashis cdrecord broken in stable somehow? or is ith the kernel?
17:24.04kbrooksis postinst a file in debian/?
17:24.06stewd_k: please show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev dpkg-dev".  use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
17:24.35myreni really dont think intel is trying to make peripherials use more cpu.
17:24.51myrenwasting your interrupts on memory transfers or sample addition is just dumb
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17:25.04wolsit's not dumb from the pov of intel
17:25.05myrenthey used the cpu in the past because it made a difference in price.
17:25.07d_kstew http://pastebin.ca/75851
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17:25.24myrennow intel has top notch raid controllers onboard their chipsets, because why the hell not, silicons frapping cheap.
17:25.35wolsalso if you make cheap peripherals which depend on cpu, they're cheaper then ones with their own processing power: more money left for the cpu e.g. for intel
17:25.47myrenif ntiel wanted people to use cpu's, they wouldnt have sweet ass raid onboard
17:25.52wolsmyren: your raid controllers are not in the bazillion consumer PCs...
17:25.55ShadowcatIntel does not have raid controllers on their motherboards
17:25.56Shadowcatit's fake raid
17:26.09Shadowcatit's software raid using the cpu to calculate parity
17:26.09myrenreally?  its so fast though...
17:26.23Shadowcatmyren: seriously, you're making a fool of yourself, stop
17:26.25myrenironic that it would be faster than hardware XOR
17:26.34myrenShadowcat: seriously, you're being mean, please be gentler.
17:26.37Shadowcatit's NOT faster than hardware xor
17:26.45wolsmyren: no onboard raid controller is hardware raid. and no controller under 100-200$ is hardware raid either
17:26.50Shadowcatit's using the cpu to calculate parity
17:27.08stewd_k: what happens when you run "apt-get install libc6-dev dpkg-dev" ?
17:27.10Shadowcatwols: actually gigabyte did implement a true hardware raid controller on a p4 board a long time ago
17:27.16Shadowcatbut that board cost $400
17:27.25wolsShadowcat: ok. maybe in some workstation/server boards
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17:27.33Shadowcatmore like only that one
17:27.37Shadowcatit didn't really catch on
17:27.57wolsnot even on server boards?
17:28.04d_kstew, http://pastebin.ca/75855
17:28.05wolsI mean those had scsi chips on forever
17:28.25stewits kinda silly to argue about whether or not he has hardware raid or not when only knowing who manufactured his motherboard, when he could easily just say what raid controller he is using
17:28.28ShadowcatI'm talking desktop
17:28.34Shadowcatbut anyway, dinner
17:29.03myreni swear i found some benches with hte ICH7 rocking the house on raid.  i was floored.  the benches must have been shite though, googling is showing more reasonable results; the Areca ARC's kicking ass and taking names
17:29.40stewd_k: ahh, ok.  you are running mostly oldstable, but you have upgraded your libc6 to stable, which means you now have to upgrade the rest of the system to stable, /msg dpkg woody->sarge
17:30.07d_kstew, how do i do that?
17:30.17stew!tell d_k about woody->sarge
17:31.41d_kstew, i get a unment dependency: 'aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.2-3-2-3.2'
17:31.54_dsd_k: upgrade apt
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17:32.40stewd_k: then switch the sources first, then install aptitude, then aptitude dist-upgrade
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17:35.39rue_mohrdpkg tell rue_mohr about selections
17:36.03rue_mohrhmm
17:36.13rue_mohrso I just install a minimal system?
17:36.15rue_mohrfirst?
17:36.30stewrue_mohr: yes
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17:42.06samuelanyone here use a pentium celeron m @ 2.4ghz? does it work with p4_clockmod? im asking since i can only seem to clock down from 2.4 to 2.1
17:43.20ttyfsckeranyone here NCSA certified in anything?
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17:44.49abrotmanncsa?
17:45.03abrotmanrue_mohr: it does install minimal
17:45.18abrotmanttyfscker: i didn't realize ncsa had certifications
17:45.35ttyfsckeryes they do
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17:46.42ttyfsckeri made a 3.8 out of 4.0 on the Hardware Technician exam.. and it says to get certified pay the fee for the certificate.  I was just wondering if it was an authentic certificate you received, and if anyone had any success with their certification
17:47.10ttyfsckerabrotman:  do you know much about ncsa?
17:47.29wolswe all do. they made a good webserver in their time
17:48.00r1ddl3rif some package installation has failed with apt-get how do I stop it from telling me everytime I use it?
17:48.47wolstried: apt-get install -f ?
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17:49.09ttyfsckerwols: are you talking about ncsa made a good web server in their time?
17:50.13wolsare you a bot? they talk similarly :)
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17:50.23wolsand yes they made the webserver apache is based on
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17:50.59wolsjust remember that NCSA is the National Center for Supercomputing Applications
17:51.08wolsnot same no name test outfit for the highest bidder :)
17:51.40blondieand the web browser IE is based on ;)
17:51.54wolsnot to mention netscape :)
17:52.00ttyfsckerthis is a different NCSA then
17:52.14ttyfsckerthis is the National Computer Science Academy
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17:52.31wolsas I said: a no name test outfit
17:52.34dazjorzBack
17:52.36dazjorzHey, about NTP
17:52.43raf256RichiH: can I PM you =) ?
17:52.46dazjorzwill it really update every x time?
17:52.50abrotmanttyfscker: i didn't think they mattered anymore :)
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17:53.11ttyfsckerabrotman:  didnt think what mattered?
17:53.16abrotmanncsa :)
17:53.36abrotmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Computer_Security_Association
17:53.47abrotmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Supercomputing_Applications
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17:53.56ttyfsckerwell i dont know i guess I'll pay for the certifiation anyway.. it will always beaf up a resume
17:53.57ttyfsckerheh
17:54.08raf256I tiny offtopic flam wellcommed?
17:54.09abrotmanbeef ?
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17:54.24abrotmanraf256: not like it will stop you if we say no :)
17:54.29ttyfsckeryea beef my bad
17:54.34raf256it would, if it is really not wellcomed
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17:56.43fluxdude_homei have a problem getting my svnserve process to work from inetd, here is the line in my inetd.conf:
17:56.50fluxdude_homesvn         stream  tcp nowait  root    "/usr/bin/svnserve -i -r /opt/svnroot/internal"
17:56.57fluxdude_homewhen I connect from a client like so : svn ls svn://server I get an error --  svn: Connection closed unexpectedly
17:58.21roxy_stew:  are you familiar with: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin . I did step 1 and 2. Should I do step 3 ? I just want to use the sound system, not do any testing and step 1 and 2 worked.
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17:58.35Shadowcatfluxdude_home: you should be asking in #svn or #subversion
17:59.21dazjorzwhat does "no servers can be used, exiting" mean for ntpdate?
17:59.51stewroxy_: all my cards support hardware mixing so i have no actual experience with dmix
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18:00.13FrostbiteIn order, does Apache/PHP, MySQL, Exim or nsd require the most resources?
18:00.23abrotmandazjorz: it could mean your clock is way too far off
18:00.31dazjorzabrotman, Should be the same
18:00.48dazjorzabrotman, I updated it this afternoon but wanted to try it again
18:01.03stewFrostbite: apache and mysql are very widely configurable wrt how much resources they require.
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18:01.07Bitzhi, kernel reported end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01 (hda), sector 70624? any ideas
18:01.39abrotmanbuy a new drive
18:01.41Bitzis a bad sector, blocks od disk on the disk?
18:02.37Frostbitestew:  I know.  I have 4 servers and want to know the best way to use them.  I need 2 Apache/Squid Boxes and then MySQL/nsd/Exim spread around the 4.
18:03.18wolsBitz: errors like this cause 2 lines, not one
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18:09.21samuelhow do i mount an external usb hard disk drive that has not been recognized automatically? it has an osx filesystem but i dont care to keep it, i want to reformat to ext3. it is "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ea0:2118 Ours Technology, Inc."
18:09.26FrostbiteIs the resource usage of Apache+PHP FastCGI+Squid or MySQL likely to be higher?
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18:10.39stewFrostbite: it depends heavily on how many hits you are getting, and how you have them configured
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18:12.28hunterpno rails pkg for stable eh ?
18:13.27stewhunterp: no, but check backports /msg dpkg backports
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18:17.04Frostbitestew: I'm thinking of putting Apache+PHP+Squid on 2 of the PCs and then MySQL cluster across the two others.  Would you then put exim on the MySQL servers and bind on the apache servers or vice versa?  The web servers and db servers will both be load balanced.
18:17.59abrotmanwols: ping
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18:18.26pipelined'oh
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18:18.31pipelineI wiped the partition table on my running system.
18:18.41abrotmanput it back!!!!
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18:18.42pipelineThe system is still running; how can I dump the values in the kernel in order to recreate the partition table?
18:18.44wolsyou wanna play abrotman? but I lost my paddle
18:18.50wolsand than neme's pong anyways
18:18.52pipelineabrotman: I know.  How? -_-
18:18.59abrotmanwols: no .. uhm ... this thing about cyrus and 2GB quotas .. there's no workaround?
18:19.14abrotmanpipeline: /proc/partitions ?
18:19.25wolsquotas? what are those?
18:19.36wolsthe point of imap is to have all my mail, no quotas
18:19.40abrotmanwols: zless /usr/share/doc/cyrus-common/README.Debian.gz
18:19.49pipelineabrotman: I could kiss you.
18:20.01abrotmanpipeline: not tonight dear .. i have a headache :)
18:20.17wolslol
18:20.19abrotmanwols: or is that only if i turn quotas on ?
18:20.23wolsyou're looking at cyrus 1.5.x
18:20.27abrotmaneh .. no
18:20.29wolsthat's about 5 years old or so
18:20.34abrotmansorry ..
18:20.38abrotmanwols: zless /usr/share/doc/cyrus21-common/README.Debian.gz
18:20.40wolsstay away from it FAR away
18:20.44abrotmani'm on 21
18:21.02abrotmanwols: second bullet in General notes and hints
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18:21.33wolsI've never hard problems with a limit but I run ithout quotas
18:21.41wolsif you're really concerned, try cyrus 2.2
18:22.13abrotmanthat's what i mean .. is it only if i turn quotas on .. or is it built in? .. i have no intention on imposing quotas on users
18:23.54kbrookswhat is the common license file for the GNU GPL?
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18:24.19kreg_workvar/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases always says my users lease time starts in the future 7 hours from now.
18:24.26kreg_workam i confused?
18:24.40abrotmanor that's when it expires ?
18:24.49kbrookskreg_work: seems like you are confuzzled
18:24.51kreg_workstarts
18:24.53polishkoopI'm running debian sarge kernel 2.4 and I'm trying to get diablo 2 to work.  I installed wine, but every tutorial I find is not able to help me.  Does anyone know how to install d2?
18:24.55kreg_workexpires much later
18:25.03abrotmanpolishkoop: ask #winehq
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18:25.44kbrookswhat is the common license file for the GNU GPL?
18:25.47wolsabrotman: http://www.linuxia.de/packages/Backports.org%20archive/sarge-backports/Detail/cyrus-common-2.2?id=RaxFjqNz&mv_pc=53
18:25.50maikolwhat sources do i need for nvidia-kernel-source
18:25.57wolsso there are solutions, even if you're bit by the problem
18:26.16abrotmanwols: but that didn't answer my question .. is the 2GB limit there always .. or only if i turn quotas on ?
18:26.36wolsand from what I read it's only if you turn on quotas since quotas are a 32bit variable in 2.1.x and was lenghtened to long long in 2.2.6
18:26.40abrotmanwols: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/c/cyrus-imapd-2.2/
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18:26.54abrotmanwell .. i won't be turning them on .. so i guess it won't matter :)
18:27.00wolsonly when you turn on quota. it's the quota number that is stored in a 32bit integer
18:27.24wolssng: you can't. you don#t crossdress and don't thave satin undies
18:27.32wolsabrotman is discriminating
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18:27.46MatBoyI have a strange problem with mod_security and am searching for hours now, including the apache channel. With working configs... mod_security does not log at my side
18:28.05tsuyoshican useradd use ldap?
18:28.15abrotmanwols: i am?
18:28.34stonedabrotman, interview got reschedules to monday afternoon
18:28.36sngabrotman: Clearly he doesn't know you very well. :)
18:28.42wols"if in doubt, decide for the delinquent"
18:28.49stoned!abrotman
18:28.49dpkgmethinks abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?"
18:28.59stoned:/
18:29.13abrotmansng: will you bring me beer?
18:29.29sngabrotman: Have I ever not, dear?
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18:29.43denmaethwell i guess you cant burn a cd if the disk is almost full - now i need to clean up i guess
18:29.49abrotmansng: there was that time in vegas ...
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18:30.35stonedI keep getting calls from portland or, vegas, canada, trying to tell me, that I've been paying too much for cable, I said wtf, I've never even had cable in my name.
18:30.45stonedI need to screen soliciters
18:30.49stonedpiss me off
18:30.57abrotmantell them you're a poor college student
18:31.05stonedI do
18:31.07stonedlol
18:31.35stonedooh time for movie and chicken pot pie
18:31.35stonedbye
18:31.57tsuyoshiI tell them I don't have a tv
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18:32.55samuelwhere is the subnet name kept in a debian system? where is the hostname kept?
18:33.05stonedsamuel, /etc/network/interfaces
18:33.08EvilRoeyqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
18:33.13EvilRoeyoh
18:33.13abrotman/etc/mailname ?
18:33.14EvilRoeysorry
18:33.19abrotmanEvilRoey: stop being evil
18:33.33EvilRoey>:-S
18:33.37stonedoh names
18:33.39samuelstoned, not there
18:33.47EvilRoeymy laptop keyboard was evil too
18:33.48stoned, /etc/hostname?
18:33.56abrotmantha'ts hostname
18:34.05stonedsubnets have names?
18:34.07abrotman!domain name
18:34.08dpkgEdit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name.  Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz).
18:34.10stonedwhen did this happen?
18:34.15samuelthanks
18:34.19abrotman!domain
18:34.20dpkgWant your own domain, but have a dynamic IP address? For cheap? Register your domain with one of the registrars and use soa.granitecanyon.com as primary/secondary DNS. Register your host with www.ddts.net. Make a CNAME record for your domain that points to your dhis hostname. Easy and cheap.
18:34.20sngabrotman: I thought we were never going to speak of that again.
18:34.24abrotmandoh .. wrong
18:34.30abrotmansng: you started it
18:34.32abrotman!!!!
18:34.33dpkg"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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18:36.46sngHehe. True.
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18:38.12anabain_does anybody use a realtime kernel?
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18:39.10cahootprobably
18:40.54anabain_cahoot, do you mean you're using one? which, then?
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18:41.44abrotmananabain_: is this for Debian?
18:42.29anabain_'this', what?
18:42.53abrotmanthe real time kernel
18:43.01anabain_do you mean if my question is a debian one?
18:43.06abrotmanyes
18:43.13anabain_it depends
18:43.23cahootanabain_: if you mean I Molnars RT patches - then yes I've tried them but founde them a bit unreliable wrt stability
18:43.23abrotmanit does?
18:43.45anabain_cahoot, under debian to make audio?
18:44.21cahootanabain_: only in a a most simple way - nothing to be of use
18:44.39anabain_ok
18:45.18anabain_have you tried agnula/demudi, cahoot ?
18:45.20cahootanabain_: the real problem might be  flaky ram
18:45.36anabain_oh
18:45.47cahootanabain_: no (wrt demudi)
18:46.18cahootanabain_: you might be better off in #lad
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18:46.46anabain_ok, cahoot , that's for audio in linux?
18:46.51cahootyes
18:46.57anabain_ok, thanx
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18:50.26Kevin`W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv - ?
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18:51.45Kevin`(on apt-get update)
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18:54.46ktwilighthas anyone got debian on a sony vaio?
18:55.18wols!anyone
18:55.18dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
18:55.32ktwilight:(
18:56.52Knorriektwilight: you are asking for statistics, about the usage of debian on vaio's..
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18:57.15ktwilighti'm asking 'bout whether anyone succesfully installed debian on a sony vaio
18:57.19stewktwilight: /msg dpkg laptops
18:57.27ktwilightthanks :)
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18:58.25maikolexit
18:58.32Kevin`ctrl+d is faster
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19:00.19stewKevin`: /msg dpkg testing security key
19:00.24stewKevin`: and /msg dpkg secure
19:00.26stewer
19:00.34stewKevin`: /msg dpkg apt secure
19:01.37Kevin`hm I just updated this a few days ago.. has it changed since then?
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19:02.11abrotmanstew: have you ever tried to do shared folders with Horde/Imp?
19:02.32Kevin`# gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4F368D5D ; gpg --export 4F368D5D | sudo apt-key add -
19:02.38Kevin`did that, still gives the error
19:02.39stewabrotman: not yet.  and if you tell my client that there is such a thing as shared folders, i'll kill you :)
19:03.02stonedlol
19:03.12steweasy
19:03.17stewKevin`: what version of debian
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19:03.23Kevin`etch
19:03.36stew!testing security key
19:03.37dpkgi heard testing security key is ask me about <apt-key 8722E71E>
19:03.43stonedKevin`, just a guess, you DO have sudo installed/configured?
19:03.54Kevin`yes
19:03.58stonedjust checking
19:04.25stonedoh boy, that chicken pot pie filled me up good
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19:05.01stonedhey nvz
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19:05.26Qiang_Workwondering if anyone knows if there exist a good tools that allows me changing password on multiple machines at once ? want to automate it.
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19:05.29stonedstew, is it funny? do tell
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19:05.39nvzstoned: hello
19:05.48stewstoned: the thought of a guy named "stoned" eating a "pot pie"
19:05.53nvzhaha
19:05.57stonedoh hahaha
19:06.06Kevin`still doesn't work
19:06.07stonedthat IS funny lol
19:06.22Alam_Debianhow do I mount zip and floppy drive from GNOME?
19:06.35stonedbut one time, I put some weed in a pot, and when someone asked, "hey, whats in the pot?" and I said "pot"
19:06.38stonedehehe, nm
19:07.24Kevin`here's the full error:
19:07.28Kevin`http://kwzs.be/lala
19:07.31stoneddon't paste here
19:07.34stoned!paster Kevin`
19:07.34dpkgKevin`: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
19:07.47stonedcool, sorry sometimes new users don't know
19:08.01stoneddon't take offense, I am not treating you like a twit :)
19:08.05Kevin`np
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19:08.27abrotmanKevin`: is gpg installed?
19:08.34Kevin`yes
19:09.08nvzheh, sometimes I think I could go for some of that pot myself.. but I quit so it wouldnt narrow my abilities to find a job
19:09.08stonedabrotman, lately many people have been complaining about this error
19:09.21stonedalthough gpgv and gpgv2 (gnupg) exists on the system
19:09.28stonedstill gives error
19:09.40abrotmanhttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gpgv&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386
19:09.41stonedI've seen 4 people since last night with this problem
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19:10.19stonednvz, I am having to flush my system clean right now
19:10.28abrotmanexlax?
19:10.29stonednvz, I know how it is, everyone tests
19:10.37stonedlol
19:11.01stonedno man, aerobics, faster metabolic rate, drinking alchohol to induce urination, and drinking lots of water
19:11.19stonednatural *almost* way to flush the system clean of metabolites and thc molecules
19:11.29nvzstoned: I didnt bother "flushing" they say it typically only sticks around 30 days, and I know for a fact whatever the norm is my body is about 4 times faster. I havent had any in probably 30 days anyhow
19:11.37stonedplus im kinda skinny so it shouldn't be hard
19:12.01stonednvz, I might have a drug test in two weeks, I my last tokage was 5 days ago
19:13.53nvzI think pre-employment drug screening is invasion of privacy and a waste of everyones time and money. I can understand drug screenings following an accident, or other such claim.. or perhaps to recieve health benefits.. but pre-employment is ludacris any drug user is just going to quit for that known test and then start back up
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19:14.14stonedI do to.
19:14.16stonedtoo*
19:14.44stonedbut fortune 500 companies, or any company where they offer insurance benefits, they HAVE to do this
19:15.18pipelinenvz: Who gives a fuck?
19:15.22pipelinenvz: Its purpose is tax breaks.
19:15.29pipelinenvz: Neither the employee nor the employer actually gives a shit.
19:15.44pipelinestoned: What bullshit.
19:15.48pipelinestoned: You're just diluting your urine.
19:15.51pipelinestoned: They'll retest you.
19:15.52stonedpipeline, I maybe wrong
19:15.55pipelinestoned: It's a great way to buy time, though.
19:15.59nvzI wasnt aware they gave tax breaks for that screening.
19:16.06pipelinenvz: Why do you think employers bother?
19:16.07stonedpipeline, no, I've done this before
19:16.31nvzpipeline: never gave it that much thought. as I've never taken a drug test or felt that I couldnt pass one
19:16.32pipelinenvz: Some employers with a legitimate interest in whether you're a drug user (e.g. mine) will test you at any time.  The ones that just do it pre-employment are just looking for the tax breaks etc.
19:16.34stonedpipeline, I've naturally cleaned my system in 3 weeks after months of daily usage
19:16.49stonedpipeline, I did not know that
19:16.51pipelinestoned: Unsurprising.  You can do it in twelve hours.  It's called diluting your urine.
19:17.03pipelinenvz: (I work for big pharma)
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19:17.08nvzas I have no drug addiction I just aquired a taste for some things that I do from time to time.. I dont depend on it by any means and I am 100% sure I could pass any form of a drug test right now
19:17.20stonedpipeline, and that is pretty much a positive, since the lab will tell your employer you tried to dilute it
19:17.30stonedpipeline, they might give you another retest, but may not
19:17.34valdynnvz: thc can be traced for years
19:17.36pipelinestoned: Hardly. It's totally inconclusive.  Some employers will retest, some will just overlook it.
19:17.42valdynnvz: if you dont cut your hair
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19:18.07nvzyeah well my hair is very short I keep it around 9-12mm
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19:18.27valdynnvz: all hair?
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19:18.55nvznone of my other hair grows that long.. heh and yes I've cut it all if you really want to know
19:19.14stonedpipeline, not all the time of course, but it has happened to friends of mine, otherwise I  have no reason to make things up
19:20.18nvzkeeps you cooler.. and well the hair under my arms can get pretty long, but I dont like the way it looks so I keep it short too.. cant shave it off though would cause irritation.. just trim it
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19:20.46nvzit doesnt grow very fast so you dont have to do it often
19:21.19stonednvz, all my life, i've never trimmed/shaved my pits ehehe
19:22.04nvzyeah well I think its kind of gross to have it look like I have a chiapet in a headlock when I am out in the summer
19:22.33nvznot to mention it stinks.. I sweat less when I stay trimmed
19:22.42stonedheh, I don't know about american women, but pakistani girls love the smell of a sweaty man.  At least my woman does
19:23.07stonedshe says its a manly smell, turns her on
19:23.10nvzheh, well I dont think I could tolerate a woman who was attracted to my stench.. I think there are better things about me
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19:24.05stonednvz, well yeah, its not like I have not heard of deodrant or that I enjoy stinking
19:24.05stonedlol
19:25.46nvzheh I had a hell of a time buying deoderant last time.. there were so many to choose from.. I had been using different forms of degree for some time but they kept changing their lineup an it was aggrivating me so I found myself sniffing around their competitors.. like that Axe which my younger brother seems to like.. but I didnt really like the smell of it
19:27.36nvzthe spectrum of deoderent scents seems to go from flower garden to musky basement smell.. I try to stay as far from both ends of that spectrum as possible
19:29.14tarzeauapt popcon
19:29.19aptpopcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
19:29.41_dsRemember: popcon is not edible. :-)
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19:30.08nvzheh, yeah not to be confused with popcorn
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19:30.31thevicif i want to mount something as normal user, do i have to have write permissions to the mount point?
19:30.55nvzthevic: depends but not usually
19:31.32nvzthevic: filesystems without posix compliant permissions like vfat for example will overwrite the permissions on the mount point upon mounting with the user.group doing the mounting for example
19:31.53thevicsmbfs?
19:32.03nvzthevic: to mount something as a user, you must have expressed written permission in the fstab
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19:32.35nvzthevic: man mount && man fstab
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19:32.50nvzpay particular attention to the smbfs section obviously
19:34.26nvzman my wrist is sore.. I am not sure if its due to keyboard usage, or maybe just from laying on my couch the other night.
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19:35.52nvzdoesnt feel like muscle pain feels like it was bruised or sprain, so its probably not from the computer.. my computer wouldnt hurt me would it? :P
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19:37.16ktwilightit would :P
19:37.36nvzI dont believe it!
19:37.39ktwilightmost likely it's the prolong posture that made it so
19:37.42ktwilightnot the use of it
19:37.48beardythevic: "/msg dpkg vfatrw" perhaps
19:37.52ktwilightask your doc, that may help :P
19:38.40nvzyeah right.. last time I went to the doctor for wrist/digit joint pains she felt up my hands and sent me home
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19:39.04josef-vthi
19:39.29nvzI wanted to smack her across the face.. might not have helped my pain, but it would have given me more satisfaction than paying a doctor to caress my hands
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19:40.04kbrooksCaress
19:40.04nvzoddly enough its actually starting to feel better now
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19:40.30nvzo.O isnt that what I said?
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19:41.18nvzstill makes poping noises but doesnt hurt as much anymore..at least in normal range  of motion
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19:41.44Master_Medichello
19:41.46robin_szwrist ache eh?
19:42.00Master_Mediccan someone help me with installing my microsoft wireless usb 2.0 adapter mn710 on debian
19:42.07stewKevin`: /msg dpkg apt-key 12D230C5F
19:42.24ktwilighttry a physio then :)
19:42.26Master_Medici've tried this tutorial but with no success http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/ndiswrapper_on_Debian_Sarge_without_having_to_compile_anything
19:42.48stewMaster_Medic: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper
19:42.56robin_szMaster_Medic, you could try #tail -f /var/log/syslog  as you plug it in
19:43.05Kevin`gpg: "12D230C5F" not a key ID: skipping
19:43.08kbrooksokayyyy
19:43.08Master_Medicokay
19:43.32stewhmm
19:43.40Master_Medicstew that doesnt work
19:43.44streunerstew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2006/06/msg00061.html
19:43.48nvzI found that those microsoft mn wireless adapters are better used as paperweights. which they arent very heavy..so they dont even make good paperweights
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19:44.03stewoh wait is just the 2006 archive key
19:44.08Kevin`what chipset are they?
19:44.11Kevin`and how expensive
19:44.12nvzthe one I tested wouldnt quit sending out malformed packets to everyone on the network
19:44.14stew!no testing security key is <reply> see 2006 key
19:44.14dpkgokay, stew
19:44.38Master_Medicthe tail thing gave me some stuff
19:44.41stewMaster_Medic: you'd have to be more specific than "doesn't work"
19:44.49nvzunknown ICMP 3 or some crap I kept getting from it on the osx and linux boxes logs
19:44.58Master_Medicusb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 4
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19:45.15Kevin`nvz ?
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19:45.17Master_Medicwell i plug it in and nothing happens
19:45.22Master_Medicthe lights dont come on
19:45.25Kevin`hmm I think i've had that problem before!
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19:45.45Kevin`using an incorrect wds configuratino..
19:45.52Master_Medicit is picked up by dmesg and other things
19:46.07Master_Medici've tried ndiswrapper but it doesnt work
19:46.17Kevin`(the misformed/misunderstood packets)
19:46.26Master_Medici get an error when i try to install the driver 'ndiswrapper -i mn710.inf'
19:46.38Master_Medicit loads it but when i do 'ndiswrapper -l' it says that its hte wrong driver
19:46.46nvzgranted the one I tested was a wifi - ethernet bridge device I think it was the nm740 it was designed for use with the xbox,but no matter how you used it, it was nothing short of an annoyance
19:46.47Kevin`what chipset is the card made with?
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19:47.11Kevin`nvz I bet it was your access point not understanding the bridge traffic
19:47.15Master_Medici'm not sure but i think its prism?
19:47.16samuelokok, i did what is described in the http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 page in the section "DRI with i810" but dri still doesnt work, im out of ideas, it complains about a kernel version mismatch for i915 (needs 1.4 but has 1.3.2) do i need to compile my own kernel? how can i do that with sid since the kernel headers are broken as of now?
19:47.27Kevin`prism2 or 54?
19:47.32Master_Medicumm
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19:48.28Master_Medicactually i just googled and i think its the broadcom chipset
19:48.31Kevin`samuel bieng me, I would download 2.6.17.2 from kernel.org, extract, compile
19:48.40Kevin`broadcom :(
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19:48.54ChrisWhi, I'm trying to compile python from source, I need ssl, but I'm guessing I need openssl headers for python to compile right, what debian package should I install to get 'em?
19:48.55Kevin`oh wait
19:49.00Kevin`2.6.17.3 now?
19:49.03Kevin`in one day?
19:49.15Master_Medicme?
19:49.23nvzhmm I just compiled 2.6.15 last week :P
19:49.36Kevin`I just compiled 17.2 today
19:49.38MatBoyit is possible to scrp a whole directory ?
19:49.42MatBoy*scp
19:49.46Kevin`and it's already 'outdated' :)
19:49.47stewMatBoy: -r
19:49.52samuelKevin`, ok, but id like to make it a deb package so it fits in nicely, is there any way to make it a deb?
19:49.57samuelany EASY way?
19:49.59Kevin`make-kpkg
19:50.05stewsamuel: /msg dpkg kp
19:50.07MatBoystew, yes, but will the dir be placed there than also ?
19:50.08Kevin`although I personally don't use that
19:50.21stewMatBoy: huh?
19:50.35MatBoyStew, damn by bet !
19:50.45nvzI must say I am growing more pleased with 2.6 each time I compile new code.. there were so many fine-tuning options in the config I didnt even understand half of them.. heh  I was able to tune my i/o scheduler, clock frenquency, memory usage..etc
19:50.50simonrvneh?
19:50.53Master_Medicany ideas?
19:50.56simonrvnparse error
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19:51.25Kevin`nvz sound like a gentoo user :)
19:51.47ChrisW*sulk*
19:51.47nvzKevin`: doh!
19:52.04simonrvn!wayttd ChrisW
19:52.04dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, ChrisW?
19:52.04Kevin`nvz do you know what benifits there would be to using 'sparse memory'?
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19:52.34beardyHi simonrvn
19:52.38ChrisWsimonrvn: compile python 2.4 from source on debian with ssl support
19:52.44simonrvnhi beardy
19:53.14simonrvnChrisW:  why? it's in sid. is it present in you installed debian version?
19:53.19ChrisWI compiled earlier, but ssl support is missing, I'm guessing I need openssl headers, so  iwas wondering what debian package to install
19:53.21simonrvnyour*
19:53.29nvzKevin`: no, thats one of the options I didnt understand.. I wast sure what either option meant so I just left it alone.. I did up my clock though to the max thinking a higher polling rate would cause it to respond faster to processes in need to cause more smooth workstation operation
19:53.32simonrvnapt-cache search ssl dev
19:53.40ChrisWI do werid shit with python that means I want a source install
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19:54.27nvzKevin`: I wasnt sure about the i/o schedulers either.. but the names like 'vegas' and 'reno' captured my interest to the point I would like to do more research in the area when I have some time
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19:55.24stewnvz: are there schedulers named vegas and reno now?  last i looked there was only deadline and elevator and ___something
19:55.41_dscfq?
19:55.50nvzstew: there were at least half a dozen i/o schedulers in the config for 2.6.15
19:56.06cat!re
19:56.06dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, re is reverse engineering, or the note one tone above do, or an abbreviation from the latin meaning "concerning", or an abbreviation of reply used to prefix email subjects when replying, or 'rehi', ie. 'hello again', or an abbreviation for regular expressions.
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19:56.13Master_Mediccan someone help me get my wireless adapter working? its the mn710
19:56.45jerem77Can somebody help me to test my ssh/dyndns config ? Just try ssh'ing to cyborgnet.ath.cx:22
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19:57.48stewjerem77: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-8
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19:58.18jerem77stew: yeah! I see you in the logs
19:58.31jerem77stew: And you have been banned by fail2ban
19:58.33ChrisWlibssl-dev it was, thanks for the hints simonrvn :-)
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19:58.49stewjerem77: no i haven't
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19:59.10stewjerem77: i can still connect at least
19:59.14catdamn my ipv6 doesn't want to work with my freaking router,
19:59.27nvzah, false sense of security detected ?
19:59.50samuelstew, the kernel image in the debian sid repos is outdated?
19:59.53jerem77stew: you can still type ssh passwords ?
20:00.07stewjerem77: i haven't tried connecting with ssh, only telnet
20:00.35jerem77stew: well my router does not redirect port 23
20:00.43jerem77you must be connecting to my router then
20:01.00EvilDinam is there again an exploit for kernel 2.4.27-3-386 ??? there are guys trying to do sth, in syslog i see some cron.hourly which run, is this ok or not? and somehow pc restart again, i think there has to be exploit again!
20:01.29Kevin`it's probably not in the kernel directly..
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20:01.46Kevin`unless they already had local access?
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20:01.59stewjerem77: yes, i was connecting with telnet to port 22 only to see the banner, after 3 failed password attempts i am now firewalled off, so your fail2ban is working
20:02.08Led_Zeppelinis there a way to encrypt a file in Linux? or password protect something?
20:02.14Master_Medicso no one knows how to get wireless working???
20:02.15Led_Zeppelinpassword protect a file
20:02.28jerem77stew: yes, I see the fail2ban.log you are actually banned
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20:02.46stewLed_Zeppelin: yes, gpg will encrypt a file for you
20:02.55jerem77stew: thanks for your help
20:03.04stewjerem77: you're welcome
20:03.19Led_Zeppelinstew: anything else out there?
20:03.34Led_Zeppelinstew: i know pgp and gpg does it, but any other options? (somthing more simplier)
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20:03.49kspath!barbie
20:03.49dpkgReading the manual is HARD! Let's go shopping.
20:04.00stewLed_Zeppelin: you could zip with a password, but it isnt't terribly secure
20:04.08Led_Zeppelinstew: heh I know :p
20:04.11Kevin`Led_Zeppelin why would you want simpler? don't you want GOOD security?
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20:04.28nvzpassword protection and encyption just cause people to become curious and know just where to focus their curiosity.. heh so I am very cautious when implementing these things
20:04.31Kevin`well pgp is pretty good ;)
20:04.33EvilDinwhy do i get this reported in syslog ??? /USR/SBIN/CRON[10066]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm)
20:04.34stonedLed_Zeppelin, how about zip the file, and then ecrypt it
20:05.18stewEvilDin: that looks like php5 periodically cleaning up old sessins
20:05.20Kevin`why zip it at all then
20:05.22stewsessions*
20:05.25Led_ZeppelinKevin`: well, I want good security as, DES/AES. Not just a zip password
20:05.33EvilDinthen this is ok
20:05.49Led_Zeppelinhttp://www.truecrypt.org/
20:05.49simonrvnyes it is
20:05.51beardyLed_Zeppelin: mcrypt
20:05.57stewLed_Zeppelin: you could create an encrypted loopback filesystem
20:05.58Led_Zeppelinbeardy: that too
20:06.05lut1Hi, i have problems with ibm-java jre / Debian /ppc iBookG4. Java- applications are painfull slow. May i can find here some hints?
20:06.06Led_Zeppelinstew: yes, I am thinking that ...
20:06.11kspathLed_Zeppelin: apt-cache search crypt
20:06.19Master_Medicin aptitude how do i remove a package??
20:06.22simonrvnlut1:  that's java for you
20:06.26Master_Medici have it highlighted but how do i mark it for removal?
20:06.31shayLed_Zeppelin, encfs
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20:06.35simonrvnslow-assed
20:06.36beardyMaster_Medic: Remove or purge?
20:06.42Master_Medicerr
20:06.44nvzEvilDin: looks like the grim reaper is comming to claim files whose life has expired
20:06.49Master_Medicwhats the difference?
20:07.31dabreegsterMaster_Medic: purge gets rid of configuration files in addition
20:07.33beardyMaster_Medic: - (minus sign/ dash, to mark it for Removal) _ (underline for Purging) Removing means to remove the package, binaries, docs, and so on, but not config files, purging a package removes everything belonging to the package.
20:07.40EvilDinok
20:07.48Master_Medicso i want purge
20:07.54EvilDinwhere can i report hackers who are trying to exploit?
20:08.10beardyEvilDin: crackers
20:08.14nvzamen
20:08.21simonrvn@beardy++
20:08.31fourathow to get my microphone working
20:08.33stewEvilDin: what makes you think that hackers are trying to exploit?
20:08.35nvzI told my mother last night I resented that remark, when she called me talking about hackers doing stuff to their network
20:08.37samuelthe kernel image in the debian sid repos is outdated?
20:08.37Kevin`EvilDin locally or remotely?
20:08.44pipelineIs there an equivalent of lsusb for firewire?
20:08.44EvilDinam isn't a kernel attempt
20:08.48EvilDinenough
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20:09.06EvilDinthey are doing it from cracked pc server
20:09.11Kevin`EvilDin that looks like an innocuous command
20:09.13EvilDini chechk ip owners
20:09.17beardypipeline: Not that I know of, is firewire treated entirely separate from usb?
20:09.18simonrvnreport them to their isp
20:09.21stewEvilDin: what are they trying?
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20:09.33pipelinebeardy: I thought it was
20:09.40lut1simonrvn: Why? Its a 1,4 Ghz ppc, but java-applications feel like Pentium2, 400 Mhz- this is really slow
20:09.41simonrvni bet it's just a fricking virus/worm/trojan
20:09.43nvzfourat: schedule a job interview for it would be the first step I suppose
20:09.43EvilDinexempl: Jun 30 19:25:18 localhost kernel: Connection attempt (PRIV): IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:14:85:37:6e:19:00:0c:ce:4b:d7:c2:08:00 SRC=65.77.125.125 DST ...
20:09.49stewEvilDin: report it to the netblock owners, "whois 1.2.3.4" for the ip address will tell you who the netblock owners are for that ip address and give you an email address
20:09.53Master_Medichow do i install x and xfce4?
20:09.53simonrvnlut1:  because java is slow
20:09.54pipelinelut1: A G4 1.4 isn't that much faster than a PII 400. :P
20:09.58Master_Medicwhat is the package name for x?
20:10.02pipelineMaster_Medic: x-window-system-core
20:10.11simonrvnpipeline:  o_O
20:10.19EvilDinok i will do
20:10.25Master_Medicokay thanks
20:10.27Kevin`EvilDin connection attemps are hardly hacking
20:10.28pipelinesimonrvn: Clock for clock, a G4 isn't even as fast as a 604e.
20:10.29Kevin`*cracking ;)
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20:10.41pipelinesimonrvn: They're really pretty goddamned sluggish all around.
20:10.48simonrvnpipeline:  /nick crackpipe
20:10.52nvzheh
20:10.53stewEvilDin: or just be happy that your firewall is catching it.  if you were to report every single attempt on your box, you will find yourself with a new full time job
20:11.02pipelinesimonrvn: You're neither the first nor the last to make that joke.
20:11.08pipelinesimonrvn: /nick simon the sorceror ?
20:11.08Master_Medicdo i also want x-window-system??
20:11.28beardyMaster_Medic: To do what? WHat are you wanting to do?
20:11.29thevicwhat's the 'best' shell scripting language?  for small scripts?  bash?
20:11.30pipelineMaster_Medic: do you?
20:11.36Kevin`I need to set up sshd to log the passwords tried sometime
20:11.37pipelinethevic: All shell scripts suck ass.
20:11.44Master_Medici just want to run xfce4
20:11.48pipelinethevic: ksh is probably the most expressive of them.
20:11.50beardythevic: Most convenient since you are already running bash by default, yes.
20:11.51aronofskyhi , im on testing and my apt-file isnt working whereas my sources.list seems ok ( deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free ) , when i do apt-file update it exits in one second without error but the apt-file gives no answer  non matter what package i search ...
20:11.53stonedpipeline, thats one helluva statement
20:11.53simonrvnpipeline:  no, it was in reference to your statements. *shrug*
20:11.55Master_Medicwhat additional things does x-window-system do?
20:12.04stewthevic: if you want them to be portable, stick to posix complaint sh, otherwise, "best" is hard to define
20:12.06thevicpipeline, why to all shell scripts suck ass?
20:12.13EvilDinbut maybe we will stop them
20:12.13EvilDin:D
20:12.16beardythevic: Some sort of either shellscript, or a specific shell, like bashscript.
20:12.18pipelinethevic: They're slower than fuck, hard to write, and nearly impossible to debug.
20:12.19EvilDinyes firewall is quite good
20:12.33Kevin`maybe?
20:12.34pipelinethevic: In this day and age, when perl5 is omnipresent, shell scripting is a dead art, and deservedly so.
20:12.37simonrvnbash is slow. installa real sh, and write then to be posix compliant
20:12.39_dsMaster_Medic: "aptitude install xfce4" will work
20:12.39EvilDini check only todey and i get 15 different ipis
20:12.40EvilDin:d
20:12.52Master_Medicokay
20:12.52dabreegsterthevic: perl! Or dash, it's small
20:12.53Kevin`it's not like if they hit the port enough it will open for them..
20:12.55beardypipeline: I disagree.
20:12.55Master_Medicthanks
20:12.56pipelinesimonrvn: All shell languages are slow.  I mean, how many process invocations are requirend for an if-then? Four? Five?
20:13.11beardythevic: shell, python, perl, ruby, whatever
20:13.12pipelinebeardy: You're free to do so.  But don't bother directing it at me.  There's no way to persuade me; persuade the guy who asked about shell.
20:13.17lut1I also own a Pentium 3/900 Mhz Laptop. When I compare both Laptops: The iBook is 2 times faster, but java is 10 times slower. Can sombody explain this?
20:13.27pipelinelut1: Perhaps IBM java just sucks ass at JIT.
20:13.29simonrvnEvilDin:  dude, you'll see them all the time. get used to it. this is what we have to put up with with M$ computers around
20:13.42beardypipeline: I'm not trying to, that's why I just declared that I disagree.
20:13.43thevicwell the reason i ask is .... i have 5 smbfs shares (probably more to come in the future) i would like to be able to mount/umount them all with one simple command ....
20:13.48simonrvnpipeline:  that's true, but bash is a beast :)
20:13.58EvilDinyes but i hate them
20:13.59EvilDin:D
20:13.59Kevin`simonrvn has little to do with ms computers really
20:13.59Master_Medicokay when i did apt-get x-window-system-core it prompted me for my mouse port, i dont know which is my mouse port
20:14.03Master_Medicits a usb mouse
20:14.09pipelinesimonrvn: That's true of every sh, though.  Trimming yourself down from bash or ksh93 to ksh88 or jsh isn't going to make shell not suck.
20:14.17pipelineMaster_Medic: /dev/input/mice is a catchall device that includes all mice on the system
20:14.19simonrvnKevin`:  over 100 000 viruses can't be wrong ;)
20:14.25Master_Medicokay thanks pipeline
20:14.30Kevin`I mean, it wouldn't stop
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20:14.39pipelinesimonrvn: perl, as slow and inscrutable as it may be, has many, many, many, many benefits over shell :P
20:14.47Kevin`I get plenty of non-windows attempts
20:15.01TGoCHello people, i was wondering why i get unmet depencie's with package php4-gd on debian sarge
20:15.01dabreegsterpipeline: perl is most definitely not slow.
20:15.02simonrvnthere would be much less...
20:15.19simonrvndabreegster:  /nick crackpipe
20:15.21beardy!start a scripting war
20:15.22pipelinedabreegster: I write a lot of perl.  Perl is slow.  I like it anyway.
20:15.27dabreegsterpipeline: Unless you do something stupid like dclone() unnecessarily. I learned why that's wrong the tough way... :P
20:15.30EvilDinlol here on other maschine there are 1000 of ips which were scaning
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20:15.52jerem77Anyway perl is now losing popularity in favour of python...
20:16.01jerem77A good language nonetheless
20:16.42nvzomfg here we go
20:16.47pipelinedabreegster: It's especially fun to parse UTF-8 with perl :)
20:16.53pipelinedabreegster: Or use any of the native XML-parsing libraries.
20:16.59pipelinedabreegster: Or file I/O.
20:17.07pipelinedabreegster: Or cyclic structures in memory.
20:17.20dabreegsterpipeline: File I/O works great. If it's slow, you're not using the right module. :)
20:17.21pipelinedabreegster: There are many tasks at which perl craaaaaaawls.
20:17.30pipelinedabreegster: It still beats shell hands down :P
20:17.36dabreegsterpipeline: And the data structures / object-oriented flexibility are very tough to beat.
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20:18.00simonrvnso tell me why my twiki install is fucking slow :(
20:18.16TGoCThe following packages have unmet dependencies.
20:18.20TGoCwoops
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20:18.58TGoCThe following packages have unmet dependencies. - php4-gd: Depends: phpapi-20020918 - Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-16) but 4:4.4.2-1 is to be installed - E: Broken packages
20:19.30jamesdhttp://digg.com/linux_unix/ZFS_for_Linux_Unix
20:21.05TGoCAnyone can help me on the php4-gd package of aptitude?
20:21.10nvzTGoC: if I were you, I'd examine my sources.list if you need help you should paste the contents on a pastebin like channels.debian.net/paste or pastebin.com
20:21.14simonrvninstall gd2
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20:21.26TGoCphp4-gd2?
20:21.30simonrvnyes
20:21.32stewTGoC: pastebin the info in /msg dpkg bat
20:22.04TGoCsimonrvn E: Package php4-gd2 has no installation candidate
20:22.16TGoCIs it in testing?
20:22.27TGoCCause i made my sources list only stable and updated
20:22.28simonrvni think it is. lemme check
20:22.30TGoCupdates*
20:22.37simonrvn@+info php4-gd2
20:22.39ravenbirdUpdating debian files... please wait.
20:22.50blondieTGoC: remove the 2 from the end
20:22.55blondieit's just php4-gd
20:22.59nvzah, so you are mixing sources.. which could explain broken packages
20:23.02TGoCblondie that one has UNMET depencies....
20:23.11stewTGoC: you can't mix stable and testing
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20:23.14simonrvnblondie:  oh yeeeh, the name changed didn't it
20:23.21TGoCi don't mix them...
20:23.30simonrvnoh ick, stable testing mix.... no wonder
20:23.34blondieTGoC: at least it exists!
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20:23.46TGoCblondie, true ;)
20:23.52xczvwww.twilightsex.com
20:23.57stewTGoC: "4:4.4.2-1 is to be installed" which is testing, the php4-gd you are trying to install is depending on "4:4.3.10-16" which is stable
20:23.58simonrvngo away
20:24.07simonrvn@ops xczv spammer
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20:24.09ravenbirdHydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: xczv spammer
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20:24.16simonrvnthanks stew
20:24.22TGoC;p;
20:24.44TGoCmmmz, 4.4.4 is testing? :/
20:24.45TGoCi have it for like 10 months now lol
20:24.48stewTGoC: no 4.4.2
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20:25.01goodmani got a 2tb raid0 HD why can't i format it to use up all 2TB, it only come out to 200GB anyone know the reason to this i'm using fdisk to do this..
20:25.24nvz!php4-common etch
20:25.32stew^info
20:25.39nvzheh
20:25.45nvz!info php4-common etch
20:26.04nvzdpkg must be out to lunch
20:26.09goodmancansomene help me
20:26.15nvz~info php4-common etch
20:26.20simonrvn@+info php4-common testing
20:26.23ravenbirdUpdating debian files... please wait.
20:26.32TGoChow did i make a source to load testing aswell as stable?
20:26.32blondiegoodman: you have to partition before formatting... did you do that
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20:27.19stewdondelelcaro: can you please bounce dpkg
20:27.37jerem77goodman: you must a module named (large block devices)
20:28.01jerem77goodman: There is an option in the kernel to enable support for large block devices
20:28.19nvz~info php4-common sarge
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20:28.35goodmanjerem77 where do i do that
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20:28.36simonrvnTGoC:  you don't. unless you like to break your system
20:28.36TGoCwhy does GD always require so much crap to be installed aswell, jezus christ.
20:28.57nvzsimonrvn: ravenbird needs a pick me up ;)
20:29.13simonrvnyeh, seems to be bugging out..
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20:29.21jerem77goodman: Well you need to put it in the initrd I guess because it's user to mount your root
20:29.22loiicHello, an
20:29.40nvzseems to me like this is evidence of mixing combined with his error testimony
20:29.42ravenbirdPackage 'php4-gd2' does not exist.
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20:29.45TGoCany possible way to downgrade?
20:29.54jerem77jerem77: wait I'm trying to search for the exact name of the module
20:29.56simonrvnfuck...
20:30.07pythosHi, using a deb sarge box as MASQ gateway for a private network, I cant get some belkin and linksys routers to make use of the MASQ gateway to gain access to the 'net.  Wondering if any you's had seen it?
20:30.11loiicanyone running a secondary dns server? i'd like to know if they had to change the ownership permission on /var/cache/bind to do so?
20:30.16wols_better compile it into the kernel, not just intird
20:30.18nvzTGoC: not a good thing, would be better to upgrade or reinstall
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20:30.55TGoCi'mma upgrade
20:30.58TGoCall crap i guess
20:31.07makaHow can I install wine 0.9.16 properly on debian sarge kernel 2.4?
20:31.15DaBladeIs there a way I can restrict an application's bandwidth usage temporarily?
20:31.22jerem77goodman: make menuconfig -> Block Layer -> Support for Large Block Devices (CONFIG_LBD)
20:31.25wols_pythos: just set the gateway on those routers properly
20:31.28DaBladeWget is taking all of my downstream bandwidth, leaving none for playing a game
20:31.33DaBladeCan anyone help me out?
20:31.33jerem77goodman: it's meant to enable >=2TB disks
20:31.49doogluswget --limit-rate=amount
20:31.56DaBladeIt's already running
20:31.59wols_DaBlade: use wondershaper for typical async cnsumer pipes. works for that
20:32.01TGoCDaBlade try not to use wget during games?
20:32.02DaBladeI don't want to cancel it now
20:32.04doogluscontrol-c will stop it running
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20:32.21DaBladeI don't want it to stop running...
20:32.26DaBladewols_: Thanks
20:32.28TGoCthen wait playing...
20:32.36Master_Medicin aptitude how do i makr a file for download/install?
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20:32.44ChrisWif I'm doing "/something > /dev/null", how do I direct stderr to dev/null as well?
20:32.53dooglusdoes wondershape work per process?  or per apps?
20:32.53wols_2>
20:33.03dooglusChrisW: /something > /dev/null 2>&1
20:33.03wols_systemwide
20:33.15ChrisWdooglus: thanks :_)
20:33.20nvzwget like most apps of its kind has throttling options to avoid causing systems to crash
20:33.23jerem77ChrisW: something &> /dev/null
20:33.29ravenbirdphp4-common: (Common files for packages built from the php4 source), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 169 kB, Installed size: 392 kB
20:33.42vltHello all. Does anyone know how to view the fax send queue from hylafax?
20:34.00makaHow can I install wine 0.9.16 properly on debian sarge kernel 2.4?  I've tried compiling from the source by using make.. but in the end I just got errors about something to do with X11 when I tried running an install.exe.
20:34.26jerem77maka: debian backports ?
20:34.32pythoswols_ Hmm, well... funny thing is that I believe I DO have them set properly...  Its a version change in the software on the routers... Identical settings from before dont work now.  Its a hard thing to fathom, but I HAVE had this experience also trying to get another debian net-install to go through the MASQing server's private IP, and NOT a problem when it uses a real IP.  Kind of makes me think there is a bug.  So when the newly released belkin had
20:35.09simonrvndooglus:  system-wide
20:35.15wols_what do you use to provide the NAT gateway? ipmasq script?
20:35.20makajerem: backports?
20:35.29wols_backports.org
20:35.30TGoCI really like this channel, whenever i screw up, i'll just keep on bothering you all ending up with a working system lol
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20:36.11pythoswols_ just standard masq from debian sarge, I just put the package in and added the private IP to the config..
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20:36.43wols_what package? ipmasq?
20:36.54pythoschecking, but I think so.
20:36.56wols_cause there is no "standard masq"
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20:37.17wols_and when you say there are problems: what exactly are those?
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20:38.37TGoClol
20:38.39LoRezwtf crack are you on debhelper?
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20:38.42pythoswols_ Hmm, well the problem is that NO tcp/ip traffic goes thru the masq gateway
20:38.43blondiesomeone kick debhelper :P
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20:38.46unix_infidel:P
20:38.50TGoCPretty big one
20:38.56nvzI already kicked debhelper :)
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20:39.34blondiedeop it for ops abuse :P
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20:39.37rhysis there a special tree structure needed for packages?
20:39.41wols_pythos: and how do you know that?
20:39.54wols_and what does the kernel log on the NAT gateway say?
20:40.06blondie!debhelper
20:40.06dpkg_debhelper is probably a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot
20:40.22nvzrhys: no, but if you want it to work as a repo then perhaps you may want to organize it properly
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20:40.44rhysi have -all- the packages from all 14 isos,  and have them in /mnt/repo/pool , which then goes to main and contrib. its in the pool folder i have packages.gz
20:41.19rhysand it doesnt work. i have added to sources.list " deb file:/mnt/repo/pool main contrib "
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20:42.00nvzyeah I did pretty much the same thing except I only had the first 10 isos and put them in /srv/apt/ I havent gotten mine to work yet either :-/
20:42.02rhysdoes main and contrib need seperate package lists?
20:42.08rowAnyone got any issues with courier-maildrop not looking at $HOME/.mailfilter files?
20:42.23rowand ignoring verbose setting -V using postfix btw?
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20:42.29rowsometing very fishy going on
20:42.36morphologywhy does gnome suck so?
20:42.47Yan^Hello people, I would like to get and install the video codecs and the utilities for playing dvd's. Could you tell me what precise packages do I need and where can I get them
20:42.51morphologyI just upgraded libgnome2, now everything is borked
20:43.15wols_!tell Yan^ about marillat
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20:43.36rhysnvz.....doesnt mount take up much space?
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20:43.50rhys*mount doesnt take up much space
20:43.54morphologygnome-terminal
20:43.54morphologygnome-terminal: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgnome-2.so.0: undefined symbol: bonobo_activation_get_goption_group
20:44.22rhysi was thinking, i could just add a bit to my fstab, mounting all the ISOs on loopback, and then just tell sources.list that i have 14 cdrom drives
20:44.26morphologythat's the error I get... should I just back up from libgnome2-0 2.8.0-6 from 2.14 ??
20:44.42rhysheres the error i get  though trying just the packages
20:44.46rhysW: Couldn't stat source package list file: contrib/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_mnt_repo_pool_dists_contrib_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
20:46.09nvzrhys: it takes up the same ammount of space regardless.. depending on your partitioning scheme it may take up space on a different partition.. I dont use /mnt for anything anymore. the FHS outlines usage of /media/ for removable media mounts, and the Free Desktop Standard also respects this location. its really all a matter of preference of the administrator. I prefer to stick to my...
20:46.10nvz...interpretation of the FHS
20:46.12TGoCnvz What the F*CK is your point man?!
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20:46.33nvzrhys: and chances are your kernel has a limit of 8 loopback devices so that would never work
20:46.42rhysfoook
20:47.03Yan^wols_ : sorry but this time !tell did not work: it told nothing
20:47.07morphologylet me try again... how do I revert to an earlier version of a package if I've just done an apt-get autoclean?
20:47.21wols_Yan^: google for "marillat" first hit should be it
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20:47.42wols_morphology: by manually reinstalling it with dpkg
20:47.45jairls
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20:47.50nvzTGoC: I dont believe I was event talking to you directly or indirectly.. so I dont know why you are yelling and cursing at me.
20:47.54jairsorry how are you guys???
20:47.56wols_force install that is
20:47.58rhysnvz, i think ive figured it out
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20:48.40morphologyI see wols_ , now I just got to find the package
20:48.45Yan^wols_ : thanks that is fine. but i find only repositories there I do not know the names of packages to install
20:48.53morphologyis there a repository for older packages
20:49.06jairI am having a little error with an script I am trying to run, can i paste it here is just one line script that suppouse to grep some info the SMTP and smtp from a big list of that and extra information.
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20:49.06stewmorphology: /msg dpkg sdn
20:49.07wols_Yan^: apt-cache search <whatever>
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20:49.47jaircat $1 | tr -d \" | tr , \\n | tr \; \\n | awk -F\: '/(SMTP|smtp):/ {printf("%s\tOK\n",$2)}' | \ grep -v -f blacklist > $2
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20:51.00StereoSkitdpkg_: 2006 keys
20:51.09StereoSkit!dpkg_ 2006 keys
20:51.29stewStereoSkit: dpkg is napping, ask ravenbird
20:51.33dabreegsterYou probably want dpkg. Dunno what dpkg_ is.
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20:51.36jairthat is the script but when I run it i get an error---> "$2 ambiguous redirect"
20:51.42StereoSkitO_O
20:51.53jairanyone here can give me a suggestion of why is ambiguous?
20:51.53Led_Zeppelinjair: too much info, I can help with awk, paste a sample output in pastebin
20:51.54StereoSkitmsg ravenbird 2006 key
20:52.16jairLed_Zeppelin: is just one line
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20:52.35snd-ca0106how do i install growisofs ?
20:52.51Led_Zeppelinjair: what are you trying to awk out?
20:53.09_ds... awk-wardly?
20:53.11TGoC_ds What the F*CK is your point man?!
20:53.25_ds?
20:53.32TGoCsorry, it's my lame script
20:53.39jairthe list of SMTP and smtp users in a  MS active directory MS exchange list of users.
20:53.51TGoCit's against people who only do ...
20:53.59TGoCit's not entirely working yet lol
20:54.01jairLed_Zeppelin: the list of SMTP and smtp users in a  MS active directory MS exchange list of users.
20:54.27stewTGoC: please don't use that script in here
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20:54.49jairstew: are you good with scripts?
20:55.04meriadjair: for i in no ; do echo $i ; done
20:55.28_dsmeriad: yes no
20:55.35meriadmaybe so!
20:55.46stewjair: i guess
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20:56.00stewjair: are you sure $2 is defined when you run the script?
20:56.21stewjair: did you know you can have tr translate more than one thing in a single invocation in stead of calling it once for each translation you want to do?
20:56.51jaircat $1 | tr -d \" | tr , \\n | tr \; \\n | awk -F\: '/(SMTP|smtp):/ {printf("%s\tOK\n",$2)}' | \ grep -v -f blacklist > $2
20:57.08jairthis is the script, what meriad is talking about no?
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20:57.16stewjair: is $2 defined when you run it?
20:57.21jairor $i?
20:57.38jairstew: defined?
20:57.50stewwhat is the value of $2?
20:57.56stewat the time when you execute it
20:58.09stewjair: the one that you are trying to redirect stdout to
20:58.12jairI think it does not have any value?
20:58.33stewjair: that is likely the cause of your error then
20:58.50jairstew: maybe I am not explaining correctly.
20:59.06stewjair: at the end you have "> $2" but if $2 isn't defined then its just ">" which says redirect stdout but doesn't say where to direct it to
20:59.12jairstew: meriad this is a txt file I extract from an active directory and ms echange
20:59.18jairexchange server
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21:00.45jairstew: so I have to do "> /home/user/$2"?
21:00.57stewjair: no that would result in /home/user/ and you cannot redirect stdout to a directory
21:00.59jairthe error I am getting is "ambiguous redirect"
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21:01.12jairstew: ok
21:01.22jairso then i have to create a file? with the name 2
21:01.29stewno
21:01.33stewjair: where do you want the output to go?
21:01.38jairstew: but I though that redirect create a file automatically
21:01.57jairwherever in the current directory i am
21:02.02stewjair: in what filename?
21:02.03jairor the home directory
21:02.25jairI do not have a file name I have to create one? maybe 2
21:02.28jair?
21:02.43jairI have to create the file name with vi and then call it 2
21:02.44jair?
21:02.47stewno
21:02.55stewyou want this script to create a file named 2?
21:03.03jairright.
21:03.04stewthen replace > $2 with 2
21:03.09jairok
21:03.10catanyone here has ipv6 working
21:03.30jairstew: let me try again then replacing the $2 at the end.
21:03.33jaircorrect?
21:03.47stewjair: yes
21:04.07stewcat: i can "ping6 ::1".  so yes.  do you have a more specific question?
21:04.08jairstew: let me try then
21:04.29stewcat: please ask in channel
21:04.53catstew, my ipv6 was working right but i put my router, and stuff and now it doesn't work, ii wonder why
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21:05.23catsit1: error fetching interface information: Device not found
21:05.33jairstew: now I am getting the error: grep command not found? but maybe because the / grep I have in the command?
21:05.48jairstew: should I remove the "/" from it?
21:05.57jaircat $1 | tr -d \" | tr , \\n | tr \; \\n | awk -F\: '/(SMTP|smtp):/ {printf("%s\tOK\n",$2)}' | \ grep -v -f blacklist > $2
21:06.08_dsIt wants " grep" :-)
21:06.17_dsRemove the backslash.
21:06.22stewyou are trying to call a command name " grep" not "grep" take off the "\ " before grep
21:06.28catany ideas stew
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21:07.40cati guess not,
21:08.02stewcat: do you have a sit0?
21:08.07catyes i do
21:08.16catsit0      Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4
21:08.16cat<PROTECTED>
21:08.16cat<PROTECTED>
21:09.06freakzoid0223I realize this is off-topic but do the users in this room who reside in the US feel the bill, that would remove network neutrality, might get passed this year?
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21:09.32stewcat: you have both eth0 and eth1?
21:09.41cati only have eth0 i don't have eth1
21:09.48catyou mean sit1
21:09.52pythoswols_ sorry, customer attack, where were we?
21:09.52catsit1: error fetching interface information: Device not found
21:09.54jairstew: ok I take off the "/"
21:10.16stewcat: no, sit0/sit1 are just ipv4->ipv6 tunnels, i was under the impression that you could only have one sit interface per real interface
21:10.23stewjair: the \ not the /
21:10.25wols_pythos: are you running a DNS proxy or DHCP server too?
21:10.33catstew, what can i do,
21:10.37nvzfreakzoid0223: yes, that would be off topic. I am from the US. I neither know what "network neutrality" means, or of any bill you speak of.
21:10.43pythosno DHCP, no proxy
21:10.44stewcat: what are you expecting the sit1 interface to do?
21:11.01catstew, to come back up, so i can used the ipv6,
21:11.14stewcat: use sit0
21:11.24cathow?
21:11.29jairstew: hmmm
21:11.32stewcat: how are you tring to use sit1?
21:11.35jairstew: next to what?
21:11.39stewjair: grep
21:11.48catstew, im just connecting to the irc server but is not working,
21:11.51wols_nvz: soon ISPs will charge not only you, their customer for traffic but also sender of traffic like google amazon or most importantly small content providers. and only if they get paid from them as well will you get full speed to google, amazon etc
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21:12.13nvzwols_: bah, now that is some bull shit
21:12.14pythoswols_ what I find strange is that some routers work, like the pc-anywhere ones (off-brand linksys)
21:12.26jairstew: ok so i remove the $2 the last one right only the one at the end?
21:12.40nvzwols_: gimme a name I am mailing somone a turd
21:12.47stewjair: yes
21:13.01stewcat: where is sit1 being specified?
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21:13.05pythosbut debian net-installs from behind it never have.
21:13.23freakzoid0223contact your senator
21:13.26catstew, how do i know that, sorry I'm really new to it,
21:13.34stewcat: when do you see this error?
21:13.43wols_nvz: mail it to AT&T. you can never go wrong with sending turds to them
21:13.45stewfreakzoid0223: please take it to a more appropriate channel
21:13.46nvzfreakzoid0223: if my senator votes for that I am gonna kill him.. contacting wont be an option
21:13.50catonnecting to calkins.freenode.net (2001:1418:13:1::25) port 6667...
21:13.50cat* Connection failed. Error: Network is unreachable
21:13.56catthat's the error I'm getting stew
21:14.00pythoswols_ I hate to give out real IPs, I don't have enough :-
21:14.08catwhen i try to connect to the irc server,
21:14.14wols_answer my questions or stop bothering me
21:14.18jairstew: so how will look?cat $1 | tr -d \" | tr , \\n | tr \; \\n | awk -F\: '/(SMTP|smtp):/ {printf("%s\tOK\n",$2)}' | grep -v -f blacklist > 2
21:14.38pythoswols_ did I miss something?
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21:15.07stewcat: put the output lf "/sbin/ifconfig ; /sbin/route -n" into a pastebin
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21:15.36beardyHmm, dpkg taking a nap.
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21:17.08jairstew: maybe the problem is the quotes there they never get closed? tr -d \" ?
21:17.11cat!paste
21:17.11dpkg_Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/
21:17.24nvzthat could mean I pay a rediculous fee for internet like $44.95 or whatever adelphia charges for highspeed and just because non-profit networks like freenode, kernel.org, debian.org..etc dont send some bureaucrat money, I have to access these things at the speed of dialup
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21:17.35stewjair: are you getting an error? that is not a quote that needs to be closed, since its escaped
21:17.45catstew http://paste.debian.net/8374
21:17.48wols_nvz: exactly
21:17.58nvzwols_: oh man I am gonna be mailing my internet bills to my senator if that happens
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21:18.29wols_the senator won't do a thing.
21:18.34wrkiluin which file of procmail (i think), there are "aliases" which forward mails to others ?
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21:19.00nvzthen I'll just have to make an example theway my forefathers did, hanging people from trees starting with everyone who voted for that
21:19.08blondiewrkilu: /etc/
21:19.08blondiedamn
21:19.08blondiewrkilu: /etc/aliases ?
21:19.10wols_at&t (or others) announced it, and then the ones hurt by this like google and the likes atned a ruling from the fcc or ftc that the telcos aren't allowed to introduce this pricing scheme
21:19.26wols_the way it looks they were shot down, so now AT&T will introduce it
21:19.38nvzman I am too busy doing other things to get pissed off this bad by a propsed bill
21:19.42wrkilublondie: no no, this must be file for procmail
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21:19.45jairstew: I get the file call = 2 but it does not have any info one it.
21:19.47catstew, you saw that?
21:19.48wols_only way you have left to influence this is the old libertarian fairy tale of "vote with your dollar"
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21:21.40nvzI am gonna soffocate someone with a dollar if these assholes dont start realizing that freedom is more important than prosperity and show me what their willing to sacrifice
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21:22.02beardy!test
21:22.02dpkg_Sorry, beardy, I didn't get your test.
21:22.08cat!woot
21:22.08dpkg_well, woot is an expression of joy.  Also spelled w00t.
21:22.17beardyHe doesn't answer in private..
21:22.18nvzah, dpkg is back.. and he's grown a tail
21:22.20cat!ass
21:22.21dpkg_i guess ass is what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring.
21:22.27wols_nvz: you're funny, naive and quaint
21:22.32cat~Lol
21:22.33aptrumour has it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.
21:22.46wols_the majority of your nation (and mine) has chosen prosperity LONG time ago as the major or only goal
21:22.56Kevin`lol stands for lots of lol
21:22.58Kevin`silly
21:23.02cati wonder if stew is still alived,!
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21:23.35nvzwols_: I dont pay attention to politics much.. my father is a politician I get enough crap from him and i've learned that our opinions differ greatly and assume the same would be true with myself and any politician so I try to remain in the dark
21:24.05kreg_workso what really happens when you delete /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases and restart the dhcp server?
21:24.12nvzwols_: every once in awhile someone goes and shines their light on me and it just serves to aggrivate and antagonize me
21:24.18stewcat: your sit0 interface isn't listed.  try "ifconfig sit0 up"
21:24.30wols_nvz: so I trolled you, you say? *g*
21:24.33catdone
21:24.37nvzwols_: heh
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21:25.20catdone stew
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21:25.24Dewiwhat is the semantic separation between /etc/cron* and the crontabs?
21:25.32beardyah..
21:25.33Dewiwhich should I use for my backup scripts and so on?
21:26.15nvzwols_: not only is my father a politician, but he aspires to be a great political consultant one day. I say he should start going for it.. hes not getting any younger and he's participated in numerous elections driving many campaigns and never lost yet.  Unless you count campaigns he was merely rooting for and not actually directly participating in like presidentials
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21:26.31beardyDewi: Always use a crontab when adding jobs yourself. leave /etc/cron* to the packages. In this case, you want to use root's crontab, if it's backup for the whole box.
21:26.42rockstar_How would I configure exim to send mail only, not receive.  I can't get it to work.
21:26.50Dewibeardy: mmm. okay.
21:27.03catwhat else do i do stew
21:27.03beardyDewi: Be careful though, when using root, test things first.
21:27.16Dewibeardy: yeah, my script is running pretty solidly.
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21:27.32Dewibeardy: although one of the things it does, to backup postgres, is "sudo -u postgres pg_dumpall"
21:27.42Dewibeardy: which seems to work, but feels a little dangerous
21:27.47Dewibeardy: can't think of a better way though
21:27.56roxy_any knode user around ? I got the group view in a separate window than the article view. How can I put them both in the same window ?
21:27.59wols_rockstar_: easiest is to firewall port25/tcp incoming off
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21:28.05rhysso...if you have a whole bunch of packages, how do you make a repository out of them?
21:28.32wols_rhys: looked into apt-mirror yet?
21:28.34rockstar_wols, Yea, but I need it for my webserver, so that it can send notification emails from php and perl scripts.  That's where the problem lies.  It's not sending ANY mail at all.
21:28.43beardyDewi: Me neither, unless you want to create a backup user, named backup, perhaps :) and give him enough priviligies to do his job.
21:28.51jolietcan anybody help me and tell if the new kernel contains any patches from list: esfq, imq, htb, patch-omatic ... please ?
21:28.59wols_rockstar_: read what I wrote please
21:29.05abrotmanjoliet: #kernel ?
21:29.09rhyswols, yea. im on dialup. so i downloaded all 14 cds on a T1 line in town, and have transfered them home with 2gb of flash drives....took me about a week
21:29.22rhysevery day when i was in town, id just plug in, pick up another 2 ISOs, take them home..
21:29.30catbrb stew
21:29.31wols_rhys: that's nice to hear but pretty irrelevant, no?
21:29.44rhyseh. telling you what i have. apt-mirrors...
21:29.44rhysyea
21:29.46rhysdidnt workj
21:29.48jolietabrotman: theres no more to say ?
21:29.56rhysi have 14 cds. any way to make a repo out of them?
21:29.59jolietthanks anyway
21:30.16abrotmanjoliet: you want to know about a kernel from kernel.org ?
21:30.34abrotmanotherwise .. check the Debian changelog for the package
21:30.47wols_rhys: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286
21:30.56rhyswols kk
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21:31.00jolietthx
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21:33.51catstew, any ideas,
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21:35.45dw_how do I set the free space that a disk is allowed?
21:36.14dw_I remember the os will try to leave a percentage untouched on the disk for a root login if it's necessary, but I'd like to shorten the amount given
21:36.15Stevie-Owhat do you mean, dw?
21:36.21Stevie-Oah
21:36.26Stevie-Otune2fs for ext2/3
21:36.29Stevie-Oman tune2fs
21:36.31dw_thanks :)
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21:37.24Kevin`well, root login and neccisary maintenance (and installing stuff until the 5% is gone as root, like me :))
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21:47.19FarrisGcan anyone help me figure out why apt-get update is hanging indefinitely at "98% [Waiting for headers]"?
21:47.44_dsIt's probably waiting for headers...? ;-)
21:47.57_dsShould time out, though.
21:48.08Stevie-Oyeah, but the timeout is REALLY long
21:48.54FarrisGBut what's causing it? It's not a particular repo, because I've swapped them out. It's not net connection, because all else is fine, and another box on the same network can update just fine
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21:50.00SerinityW: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
21:50.04SerinityWhat about this ?
21:50.21SerinityIt appears as i perform an apt-get update
21:50.25Serinityetch
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21:51.13SerinityIf i only type gpgv in a terminal, i get this :
21:51.21Serinitygpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error
21:51.27SerinityAnyone please ?
21:53.23FarrisGWhy's dpkg so antisocial today?
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21:53.41zeroheroFarrisG: dpkg_ :)
21:53.52FarrisGzerohero: he ain't talking to me either :)
21:54.00zeroherooh :)
21:54.06zeroherohe is to me
21:54.21simonrvndpkg_:  test
21:54.23zeroherobut i have the same issue as Serinity
21:54.28simonrvndpkg:  test
21:54.29dpkg_No, simonrvn, you're not online any more.
21:54.33zeroheroalso would like an answer
21:55.09simonrvnSerinity:  strace it?
21:55.54simonrvnwell, here trustedkeys.gpg doesn't it
21:55.59simonrvnexist*
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21:56.58Serinitysimonrvn, strace it ? it's friday evening...
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21:57.09simonrvni do not get that error if i just touch the file
21:57.14SerinityI don't really have an urgent update anywyas
21:57.25Serinityhum
21:57.29Serinityi'll try to touch it
21:57.58SerinityNo, still same eror
21:58.21dayihi I am going to install a dns server, while installation I have to give FQDN to domain name, is it true? if it is true why?
21:58.23simonrvn!etch gpgv error is <reply>touch the file /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg and it shouldn't whine anymore
21:58.23dpkg_simonrvn: okay
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21:58.31simonrvnwell it stopped here
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21:58.47kolajeDoes anyone know how to fix the nvidia problem with toshiba laptops (the verticle black bar)?
21:58.49Serinitysimonrvn, no, that doesn't fix it
21:58.54SerinityI still have the issue
21:59.20simonrvnit stopped doing it here
21:59.21help-me-pleaseapt tell me about stat x
21:59.43Serinitynot here
21:59.50Serinityhumm
22:00.09SerinityI'm too tired to think, i'll check on this wednesday
22:00.17simonrvnyou just did touch /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg ?
22:00.26Serinitysimonrvn, yes
22:00.29zeroherosame here
22:00.30simonrvnok. hm
22:00.32zeroherodoesn't work
22:00.55simonrvn!etch gpgv error is also note this might not work for everyone :/
22:00.56dpkg_okay, simonrvn
22:01.20Serinity!etch gpgv error
22:01.20dpkg_touch the file /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg and it shouldn't whine anymore, or note this might not work for everyone :/
22:01.34help-me-pleaseapt tell me about "error in locking authority"
22:01.52ktwilighthelp-me-please, do /msg dpkg <phrase>
22:02.22help-me-pleasektwilight, thank
22:02.22Serinity!tell help-me-please about error in locking authority
22:02.24ktwilightSerinity, sure you have gnupg installed?
22:02.36help-me-pleaseSerinity, thank
22:02.43Serinityktwilight, I never had this error before but i'll check
22:02.52ktwilightdpkg -l gnupg
22:02.53dpkg_No packages found matching gnupg
22:02.55Serinitythe command gpgv works....
22:02.56ktwilightoops
22:03.20Serinityyup gnupg is installed
22:03.37ktwilightwhat's the full error again?
22:03.40ktwilight!paste
22:03.40dpkg_Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/
22:05.12Serinityktwilight, http://paste.debian.net/8378
22:05.36basbryan!lame
22:05.37dpkg_i guess lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs.  Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'.  Get .debs from  <marillat> or <rarewares>
22:06.07LenrekDoes anyone known, how exist any way or application used for drag and drog folder or files in tab button(like windows)?
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22:06.25Lenrekfor gnome
22:06.55simonrvntab button?
22:07.07Lenrekalt + tab
22:07.13ktwilighthttp://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-18992.html
22:07.16ktwilightSerinity,
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22:07.24Serinityktwilight, thanks
22:07.36ktwilightapparently, it's your clock that's messed up :)
22:07.46Fackamatohm
22:07.47simonrvnD&D via alt-tabbing?
22:08.01LenrekYES
22:08.08simonrvnnever heard of it
22:08.27Lenrekin windows had way to do it
22:08.38simonrvnsounds vaguely useless... don't mean to sound rude
22:08.40FackamatoI removed some kde stuff (using gnome) and now apt-get update throws me this error, unknown error while executing gpgv. and by just executing gpgv I get gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': common error (translated)
22:08.42SerinityFri Jun 30 18:08:32 EDT 2006
22:08.42help-me-please!tell help-me-please about error in locking authority file
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22:08.43beardy!wayttd Lenrek
22:08.44dpkg_What Are You Trying To Do, Lenrek?
22:08.45Serinitysounds good
22:08.54_dsHmm... hover over the icon in the task bar...?
22:09.01ktwilightso it's not Serinity?
22:09.09Serinityno :(
22:09.11buuHrm. I just had a configure fail with "Error trying to determine float size", from config.log: conftest.c:230:27: error: floatingpoint.h: No such file or directory; Anyone have an idea where I could find this?
22:09.13simonrvnhelp-me-please:  try rm'ing your .Xauthority file(s)
22:09.15Serinitymy clock is ok
22:09.28beardyhelp-me-please: /msg dpkg_ factoid (dpkg usually)
22:09.36ktwilightSerinity, try reseting it? reconfigure it, then update again
22:09.40datrus_anyone knows if it's possible to run make in debug mode, where it prints the current line number in the Makefile while it is executing?
22:09.43Serinityktwilight, Thank you though :)
22:09.49ktwilight:)
22:09.51LenrekDrag item of my desktop and drog in any text editor
22:09.58Serinitybrb
22:10.19Fackamatoanyone know what's wrong?
22:10.22simonrvnLenrek:  that doesn't sound like drag and drop with tab
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22:10.44HoneymanHello a;;. Did anyone here try to build ndiswrapper for 2.6.17? Or maybe someone may give some hints how to build it (module-assistant does not help much)?
22:10.56beardyLenrek: Depends on the desktop/window-manager, and perhaps more. But really, it would be easier to bind .txt-files to open in your favourite editor when doubleclicking.
22:11.07Kevin`heh, I stopped using ndiswrapper when I got some real wifi cards :)
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22:11.15help-me-pleasesimonrvn, remove file, i'm vm for .Xauthority and not resolve
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22:11.35ktwilightndiswrapper sounds like a cheap hack... :/
22:11.37HoneymanKevin`: I'd like to... but it is preinstalled in my laptop :(
22:11.48Kevin`Honeyman so was mine :D
22:11.49help-me-pleasemv .Xauthority for .Xauthority_bkp
22:11.52simonrvnhelp-me-please:  what are you doing exactly? error message, actions you're doing, etc.?
22:12.08ktwilightHoneyman, what are you trying to build?
22:12.12ktwilightwhich wireless card?
22:12.22help-me-pleasesimonrvn, i'm chance the process with bum
22:12.39help-me-pleasesimonrvn, after happen this
22:12.48Honeymanktwilight: Inprocomm IPN2220. For -amd64
22:13.10simonrvnhelp-me-please:  i'm sorry, i don't understand what you mean by 'chance the process with bum'
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22:13.21help-me-pleasesimonrvn, sorry
22:13.38simonrvndo you mean 'change'?
22:13.58riddleboxhow do I take the hold off of a package so it can upgrade?
22:14.05Kevin`Honeyman ndiswrapper compiled fine for me with 2.6.17.2
22:14.09ChrisWhmmm, is there a maintained libssl-dev that uses openssl-0.9.6 and opposed to openssl-0.9.7e?
22:14.09help-me-pleasesimonrvn, i'm stop in initialization the process
22:14.16simonrvnset it install with + in aptitude, for instance
22:14.19_dsWhat do you want the package to upgrade?
22:14.23help-me-pleasesimonrvn, with the program bum
22:14.29simonrvni see
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22:15.00simonrvnhelp-me-please:  maybe you'll get better help in #debian-br
22:15.18help-me-pleasethank simonrvn
22:15.41jairwhat is the command I use to fix the txt files from dos2unix?
22:15.45jairsomething like that?
22:15.53riddleboxI set echo mysql-server-4.1 hold | dpkg --set.... and now I want to undo it
22:16.08ChrisWjair: urm, it's caleld dos2unix...
22:16.10catstew, you're back?
22:16.23ChrisW*grunt* I am struck by bizarre incompatability: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2004-July/229641.html
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22:16.44ktwilighthttp://www.flytech.com.tw/driver.php?id=38 <- found a really ol' driver Honeyman, any good? :/
22:16.55jairChrisW: thanks
22:17.05simonrvnhelp-me-please:  ok
22:17.30ktwilightHoneyman, seems like ya really needa find out which chipset it uses.
22:17.50ktwilightit's somewhere in the logs. should help a ton on finding what ya need
22:18.10HoneymanKevin`: wow. Let me check with 2.6.17.2 - I did it with Debian's 2.6.17-1...
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22:18.42Kevin`I doubt it will make much of a difference, but it's worth a try if it works I suppose
22:18.45Kevin`try .3 though
22:18.57Kevin`current as of right after I finished compiling .2
22:19.05zeroheroSerinity: did you solve the problem?
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22:19.27Honeymanktwilight: looks like IPN2220 is the chipset name itself (rather than some higher brand). It's not a standalone card, but something integrated.
22:19.45jairin debian we can install dos2unix using apt-get?
22:19.51jairI do not think is there?
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22:19.56streuner!dos2unix
22:19.56dpkg_dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g'
22:20.06jairor it is a different name that comes with all the utils.
22:20.12HoneymanKevin`: is your kernel from unstable, or from kernel.org?
22:20.13ktwilightoh right...
22:20.14Kevin`Honeyman ya.. I couldn't see an obvious native linux driver for it
22:20.17jairstreuner: thank you :0
22:20.18rhysis there a way to get to the partition manager that is used in the install? the ncurses based one?
22:20.19jair;)
22:20.23Kevin`Honeyman kernel.org
22:20.36streunerrhys: partman?
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22:21.00rhysstreuner, if thats what its called, i dont have it
22:21.06rhysbut thats what it is?
22:21.17streuneryep, just use cfdisk
22:21.19SPYsomebody can tell me russian debian chanel?
22:21.26streuner!ru
22:21.27dpkg_Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u.  Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)
22:21.35BroxDoes anyone know what kind of memory pda's have? Would it be possible to restore the data on a pda after a hard reset?
22:21.53SPYsanks
22:21.57rhysstreuner, this is for LVM
22:22.00HoneymanKevin`: and how did you compile it? In some debian-way, like ones described in http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebian or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebianSarge?
22:22.19Kevin`I just typed 'make'
22:22.26streunerrhys: read ig (/msg dpkg ig) - its there mentioned, i cannot recall it yet...
22:22.26Honeyman:)
22:22.32Kevin`didn't install it though, as it installs usermode stuff
22:22.35rhyskk
22:22.41Kevin`and i'd want a package to remove things other then modules
22:22.50rhys....
22:23.07rhys!tell rhys about ig
22:23.25HoneymanKevin`: ahha... well, and I tried it more debiany... But 2.6.17 in Debian is funny now.
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22:24.02rhysstreuner, unless dpkg is giving me the silent treatment, i dont think its there
22:24.30sidI made changes to /etc/sysctl.conf (with vi) and then did "sysctl -p" and it didn't seem to have any affect...did I do it wrong?  Here are my changes, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/46o92f76.html
22:24.39streunerhm
22:25.00Kevin`Honeyman there's only 3 usermod utils, if you want to install it manually..
22:25.12Kevin`(+ /etc/ndiswrapper)
22:25.26Kevin`checkinstall ftw
22:26.32HoneymanKevin`:  I'll try to... now I am dealing with the fact that linux-headers-2.6.17-1-amd64-k8 is dependent upon non-existent linux-kbuild-2.6.17 package :)
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22:27.11Broxis it possible to restore data that has been stored on RAM once there has been no current on it?
22:27.18jairthank you for your help guys take care.
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22:27.30Kevin`Brox you can try to read it
22:27.39Kevin`sometimes it works
22:28.14BroxKevin`: How can i make sure that its difficult to read it?
22:28.17streunerrhys: lvmcfg -  Helps the user with the configuration of the LVM (Logical Volume Manager).
22:28.41Kevin`Brox write to it?
22:28.55Kevin`it won't matter after a few minutes though, really
22:29.00streunerrhys: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/install
22:29.28rhyswoot
22:29.30BroxSo i can sell RAM that previously had sensitive data?
22:29.32rhysty streuner
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22:29.43iLLf8dlo all
22:29.47BroxTo the most malicious customer?
22:30.05simonrvnthe current won't last...
22:30.13streunerrhys: learn to use google and groups.google.com - you'll need it...
22:30.15simonrvnit's not like a writable ROM
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22:31.39rhyseh. streuner, that is my usuall path, but i come to irc because depending on what im asking, its sometimes quicker. if you knew the name, lvmcfg, thats i wouldve needed
22:31.44sidstew: here?
22:31.59stewhi
22:32.04rhysnoone needs to look up anything. i just need a name.
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22:34.32Zoupemm... hi!
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22:35.02stewsid: ?
22:35.19dondelelcarodpkg: status
22:35.19dpkg_Since Fri Jun 30 20:37:35 2006, there have been 2 modifications, 27 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 6 commands.  I have been awake for 1h 57m 44s this session, and currently reference 36775 factoids.  I'm using about 13584 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 10.89/0.64 child 0/0
22:35.23sidstew: Did I do it right? I don't seem to notice any difference.
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22:35.34sidstew: I made changes to /etc/sysctl.conf (with vi) and then did "sysctl -p" and it didn't seem to have any affect...did I do it wrong?  Here are my changes, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/46o92f76.html
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22:36.19sidI had 7 people do speed tests with ftp(45 meg file), then I made the changes to the file, and did sysctl -p; and had the people to the same speed tests..and there was no difference. Sometimes slower even(cable isp fluctuation I imagine, it's peak hours for some of them)
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22:37.28stewsid: you can test to see if that stuff got set by checking for instance that "cat /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_max" returns the value you set int sysctl.conf.  i had never seen those settings before you showed them to me the other day
22:37.44Sebsup y'all
22:38.11Sebcan i increase my swap space without rebooting, if it's all used up already ?
22:38.22Honeyman:)
22:38.40Sebi'd swapoff, increase swap size, and swapon, but i'm unsure what swapoff will do if my system is currently using all the 1G of swap space
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22:38.43stewsid: and like i said, i have no problem flooding my dsl connection from a 10mbps server, if you are having trouble completely flooding your connection with a well connected 100mbps server i'd say something is wrong
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22:39.41simonrvnSeb:  add a swap file
22:39.48stewsid: those settings maybe would make a difference on a server that was under a heavy load perhaps
22:39.48Sebsimonrvn: ah, neat
22:39.54Sebsimonrvn: how would i do that ?
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22:40.09HoneymanKevin`: may I ask you some noob questions on compiling this ndiswrapper stuff? I.e., where all sources should be?
22:40.17simonrvnmake a sparse file, run mkswap on it, swapon it
22:40.38Kevin`Honeyman, yes
22:40.42Sebsimonrvn: that won't stand at next reboot, though, right ?
22:40.45stewsid: or if you cannot get good throughput from your server, perhaps there is somehing you can do to make your cable connection perform better (like use wondershaper to prioritize (among other things) the ack packets going back
22:40.47_dsHmm, weird. Games which use Allegro are affected (in full-screen mode) by xfwm4's popup window opacity option...
22:40.55simonrvnsure it will, if you add it to fstab
22:41.26Sebsimonrvn: oh, gotcha
22:41.29Sebsimonrvn: thx a ton man
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22:42.00simonrvn:)
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22:42.27simonrvni run swapd on some machines. i tweak the conf a bit since the default is too small
22:42.32HoneymanKevin`: did you get ndiswrapper-source from repository as well, or from their site?
22:42.34Sebsimonrvn: dd if=/dev/zero ... is good enough right ?
22:42.50Sebsimonrvn: no  need for /dev/random or anything ?
22:42.51Kevin`Honeyman site.. I got 1.18
22:43.04simonrvnfor sure
22:43.16mkuzuanyone tried to install debian on a fujitsu siemens 1451G lt
22:43.22mkuzu?
22:43.28Kevin`!anyone
22:43.28dpkg_Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
22:43.30simonrvn/dev/random you'd block on it eventually, use urandom...
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22:43.35rhysformatting something is mkfs.reiserfs right?
22:43.49simonrvnmkfs.*
22:43.50rhysfor reiserfs
22:43.50rhys?
22:43.54rhysaye....
22:43.54simonrvnyes
22:44.02rhysit says it cant find it
22:44.11rhysisnt that part of reiserprogs?
22:44.26simonrvnthink so
22:44.35simonrvnreiserfsprogs?
22:44.39rhysyep
22:44.51simonrvn!+find bin/mkfs.reiserfs
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22:44.59simonrvndoh
22:45.01simonrvn!+find bin/mkfs.reiserfs
22:45.01Fackamatohow can I import the gnupg key of security.debian.org ?
22:45.02dpkg_Updating debian files... please wait.
22:45.31rhysodd. its in sbin
22:45.38rhysbut it still should be in my path
22:46.13rhysodd
22:46.16rhysoh well
22:46.58simonrvnit should be in sbin..
22:47.12simonrvni didn't do /bin/ ;)
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22:48.27Sebsimonrvn: hmm, i get invalid argument on this 4G file I just created, what am I missing ? :)
22:48.31rhyssigh. once again, im trying to hide the fact that im an idiot and was probably typing it in wrong
22:48.38Sebsimonrvn: when i run swapon on it i mean
22:48.45simonrvnSeb:  maybe some dumb limit...
22:48.52simonrvnman swapon
22:48.55Sebsilemme try 2G
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22:49.10sidstew: If I use this 100mbit, and I download openoffice.org tarball repeatedly...(at 10 megs a second)..then I try the tweaks..and compare the differences...You think I'll see a big difference?
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22:51.29stewsid: no.  i'd think that with 100mbit you should be able to completely saturate your download no matter what the settings were on the server side
22:51.32simonrvnhe maximum useful size of a swap
22:51.32simonrvn<PROTECTED>
22:51.33simonrvn<PROTECTED>
22:51.47simonrvnsorry for the paste :/
22:52.04sidstew: yea, I can completely saturate my download.
22:52.14stewsid: well then you can't go faster than that
22:52.20Fackamatohttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190091 <- that's the problem I'm having, except I'm running debian.
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22:52.21simonrvnSeb:  ^^
22:52.31sidstew: I'm doing all this because some guy told me he downloaded from some server, at 800kbps, then after these tweaks(from rafb) he now downloads at 2.2mbps
22:53.18stewsid: then i'd guess he had other problems
22:53.26stewsid: or his server was under heavy load or something
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22:54.09HoneymanKevin`: do I understand correctly, that if I have linux-image-2.6.17-1-amd64-k8 installed, and have linux-headers-2.6.17-1, linux-headers-2.6.17-1-amd64-k8 and linux-source-2.6.17 installed as well (and have the same named dirs in /usr/src), for checkinstall/etc to understand where the sources for my modules are located, I should use "ln -s /usr/src/<any of those three dirs> /lib/modules/2.6.17-1-amd64-k8/build" ?
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22:54.55Kevin`Honeyman it probably check /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
22:55.00Kevin`*chechs
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22:55.10Kevin`gah
22:55.49HoneymanKevin`: yep. uname -r on my system is 2.6.17-1-amd64-k8
22:56.31HoneymanBut I don't understand well the difference between linux-headers-2.6.17-1, linux-headers-2.6.17-1-amd64-k8 and linux-source-2.6.17 in terms of compiling this stuff.
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22:56.48Kevin`they look all different, but that's just me
22:57.30Fackamatobah
22:57.35FackamatoI've imported lots of keys
22:57.38Fackamatobut to no avail
22:57.52Kevin`I wonder how well the 32bit windows drivers are going to work in a 64bit linux kernel, though
22:58.27Kevin`Fackamato: this error? W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
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22:58.41FackamatoKevin`: yeah
22:58.51Kevin`I get the same thing, heh
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22:59.08Fackamato:<
22:59.32HoneymanKevin`: I've got 64-bit drivers for this card. And according to http://starynkevitch.net/Basile/msi_s270_linux.html, they even will work. If I install this.
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22:59.43FackamatoKevin`: have you found anything useful on the net?
22:59.56Kevin`Fackamato no
23:00.09FackamatoI've checked my packages, downloaded keys, checked the date of the computer etc and AFAI can see it's allright, but apt-get update still throws me that
23:00.25Kevin`i'm content trying it again tomorrow..
23:00.44Kevin`maybe someone will know what's wrong for sure by then, at least
23:01.08HoneymanKevin`: isn't that key just overdue? I remember they had something similar years ago.
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23:02.41sidthanks a lot stew; I appreciate all the help and informatino.
23:02.48sids/informatino./information.
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23:08.17waltzhow do I zero-fill an IDE ATA hard drive?
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23:09.11HoneymanKevin`: well, I don't understand it... can you tell me what /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build points to at your system? And what is "uname -r" for you?
23:09.32Sebsimonrvn: heh, it's "mkswap" i had forgotten ;)
23:09.56abrotmanwaltz: man dd
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23:09.58HoneymanKevin`:  Checkinstall disagrees to build it for for me whatever directory of three ones I point "build" to.
23:10.14waltzI don't have access to man right now
23:10.17Kevin`kevin:~# ls -ld /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
23:10.17Kevin`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2006-06-30 10:31 /lib/modules/2.6.17.2/build -> /mnt/hda1/linux-2.6.17.2
23:10.41abrotmanwaltz: what OS are you in?
23:10.42Sebsimonrvn: thx again for your help, rebooting this production box wouldn't have looked good, so I owe you one :)
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23:11.17waltz2K right now
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23:11.32waltzI'm running Debian 3.1 "sarge" installer on another box
23:11.42waltzthe attached IDE ATA is corrupt
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23:14.46waltz[!] Partition disks
23:14.47waltzInput/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc
23:14.47waltzERROR!!!
23:14.47waltzRetry
23:14.47waltzIgnore
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23:14.59waltzwhoops
23:15.01waltzsorry
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23:15.36abrotmanmaybe the drive is toast?
23:16.46Blissexwaltz: drive gone, you _might_ try to first overwrite it with zeroes to attempt triggering its recovery firmware, as in 'dd if=/dev/zero bs=32k of=/dev/....'
23:17.01abrotmanyou could use dban
23:17.28abrotmanthat kills data .. dead!
23:17.40waltzyeah
23:17.45waltzI just need it to *work*
23:18.01abrotmanwhy?!
23:18.25abrotmandon't tell dan2
23:18.30sngOk!
23:18.33sngI won't!
23:18.37abrotmansng: you ran from -ot!
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23:19.37waltzhow do I zero-fill it using the Debian installer?
23:19.45abrotmanis DD on the installer?
23:19.47abrotmanerm .. 'dd'
23:19.54sngabrotman: Indeed.
23:20.01abrotmansng: warmdaddys!
23:20.21waltzokay
23:20.40waltzso "Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot: _"
23:20.42waltznext step?
23:20.51abrotmandid it start?
23:20.53sngabrotman: McMenamins!
23:20.59abrotmanhit alt-f2 .. activate the shell
23:21.03abrotmansng: mmm .. beer
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23:21.09sngIndeed.
23:21.11waltzwhat
23:21.15abrotmansng: too bad i suck
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23:21.31abrotman!tell nn_ about root
23:21.33sngabrotman: :)
23:21.44abrotmani suck so bad .. they won't even let me on a plane
23:22.06sngWhat can I say. We don't want your kind out here.
23:22.14abrotmanyeah .. cool people suck
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23:22.33abrotmansng: which four kinds of beer should i take tomorrow?
23:22.36abrotman!tell nn_ about root
23:22.41abrotmanbah .. damn bot
23:22.42sngAnd we are the cool coast. :)
23:22.45abrotman@tell nn_ about root
23:22.54sngabrotman: IPA, Stout, Porter, and a nice red.
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23:23.10abrotmansng: noone will drink the stout ..
23:23.15sngabrotman: I would!
23:23.20abrotmanbut you don't like philly!
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23:23.30abrotmanhttp://www.slyfoxbeer.com/beerlist.asp
23:23.40sngIf it was a good stout. None of that Guinness shite.
23:23.55abrotmannn: i'm not going to tell you again .. STOP trying to irc as root
23:24.16abrotmansng: i was thinking the Lightning .. the Weisse .. the Saison .. and the Renard
23:24.30abrotmani've seen it :)
23:24.40sngOh did I tell you the story?
23:24.48simonrvn@tell nn -about root
23:24.55abrotmanhe's in rescue mode .. but has irssi
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23:25.14kreg_workoh
23:25.15kreg_worki get it now
23:25.17kreg_workirc seeeee
23:25.19abrotmansng: a friend of mine showed me that .. i think
23:25.20kreg_worker
23:25.22kreg_workir seeee
23:25.38abrotmansng: oh wait .. that wasn't it
23:25.53simonrvnmy cat eats caribou like it was going out of style... we got some caribou jerky a fews days ago... the other morning i found she'd ripped open the baggie it was in and was happily chewing away on it
23:26.15abrotmansend me some!
23:26.31abrotmansng: http://www.chilibeer.com/
23:26.48abrotmansng: it's flash
23:27.25abrotmaneh .. and java
23:27.36sngabrotman: Hehe. Long story short I only wanted a sample ended up with a pint by mistake. It wasn't.... bad. But I don't think I'd have another one.
23:27.40simonrvnnah, i ate the rest of it ;). mmmmmmmhmhmhm good stuff
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23:27.58abrotmani want jerky!
23:28.35abrotmansng: you don't like my beer choices?
23:28.48sngabrotman: Naw. They're good. :)
23:29.05abrotmansng: they have some really good beers there
23:29.24sngExcellent.
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23:29.31TeltariatQuick question:
23:29.42TeltariatHow does one get a list of all the currently installed packages on a Debian system?
23:29.50abrotmandpkg -l
23:29.56_dsdpkg -l | grep ^ii
23:29.57dpkg_ii  | grep ^ii                 1.1-3.1           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
23:30.02simonrvnit's a bit like bison, but less iron taste, and more fishy/mushroomy
23:30.06abrotman!tell Teltariat about refcard
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23:30.12abrotmandpkg_: wtf
23:30.15TeltariatThank you abrotman
23:30.16abrotmandpkg: wtf
23:30.19abrotmandpkg: wake up
23:30.20dpkg_abrotman: I'm already awake! :)
23:30.23abrotmanlovely
23:30.50abrotmancowboy junkies?
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23:32.15sngabrotman: Actually my Sweet Jane playlist. The original Velvet Underground version, the second Velvet Underground version, Cowboy Junkies, and the Lou Reed solo version.
23:32.24abrotmanhehe
23:32.28nnK, got su goin on now.. still using irssi -d from rescue dsk.. but..
23:32.36abrotmanbut anyways .. ask
23:32.40simonrvnhad some wild goose a while back (coupla months ago). that was tasty too
23:32.45nnAny ideas on getting lilo or better yet grub working with w/ lvm+xfs?
23:32.56abrotmangoose is good
23:33.19nni've got my install mounted and chroot'd into it, but no luck getting either grub or lilo installed
23:33.28simonrvni *think* it was snow goose, the french word is 'outarde'
23:34.19nnlilo gives device-mapper: dm_task_run(DM_DEVICE_TABLE) failed error, whereas grub i have no idea how to configure it for lvm
23:34.52azeemnn: xfs+lvm sounds like a deadly combination
23:34.57azeemfor /boot or / anyway
23:35.10simonrvnit is
23:35.33nnazeem: /boot isn't either.. but the rest of the system is and i realized that /boot is seperate.. just trying to remember how to do a grub configuration by hand and tell it that the root is on lvm :)
23:36.04nngrub in debian expects menu.lst to be located where?
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23:36.18abrotman/boot/grub/menu.lst
23:36.29nnGotcha. anything special i need to have for lvm boot if /boot isnt on lvm or xfs?
23:36.50nni'm using xfs+lvm because i have over 2tb of storage in the machine...
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23:39.04calladoHi all!
23:39.28calladoI looking for a good soft/tool that helps me trying to find bad sectors on my HDD
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23:39.33calladoDo you know one?
23:39.51nvzIf each of you say you are having a problem... would it somehow be more proper english for me to say "Everyone said that they are having the same problem" or "Everyone said that they're having the same problem" or is it better to say "Everyone said that he or she is having the same problem" cause the last one sounds wrong and I cant for the life of me see why one of the former would be more...
23:39.52nsei know one!
23:39.52nvz...correct than the other.
23:40.16mattlCan people who care about such things have a look at http://www.gnu.org/ and send me a png screenshot of how it looks in the (graphical) browser? mattl@gnu.org is my address..
23:40.18calladoHi?
23:40.57azeemcallado: e2fsck -c
23:41.20nvzthis little case of understanding the aggreement between pronouns and antecendents has had me stumped for weeks. I can't decide who's having the same problem. it doesnt seem like "he or she" but whats the difference between they are and they're ffs
23:41.21calladobesides I use reiserfs ?
23:41.26calladoazeem ?
23:41.35nnno ideas?
23:41.58nnI basicly just need to know how to tell the kernel where the root partition is in the lvm
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23:42.27azeemcallado: well, you should've said that, most people use ext2/ext3
23:42.44calladoyes, I know, I know
23:42.57calladoforgot that :|
23:43.13calladothe trouble is that I think it has broken down :|
23:43.24calladoand I'm very very upset
23:43.24abrotmanthe filesystem? or the drive?
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23:43.45nvzbah I am doomed I am moving to brazil, going to start speaking portuguese
23:44.00abrotmanmove to squirrel hill ?
23:44.05nvzheh
23:44.05jamesdcallado, that is the reason that  reiserfs will never get another look at my data.
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23:44.20nnbbiab, rebooting
23:44.36simonrvnnah, you'll probably like it... think of those beautiful brazilian women ;) {miigwetch mitchoumis}
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23:45.01nvzsimonrvn: thats what I was thinking.. and I wouldnt have all these problems understanding the language.. the brazillian girls do look really fine
23:45.18calladojamesd: which reason?
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23:45.28calladoabrotman, I think both :|
23:45.32jamesdcallado, i lost dad using reiserfs...
23:45.35jamesder data
23:45.36simonrvnmixed race people are always hot ;)
23:45.41stonedhaha
23:45.45DerJamsterjamesd: almost quotable ;)
23:45.47azeemjamesd: easy typo
23:45.49stonedI was about to say, lol, wtf did rfs do your dad
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23:45.59DerJamstercorrupted him
23:46.11calladojamesd: must have been very hard!  :P
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23:46.17KaRiMHey Guys
23:46.20stonedsimonrvn, indeed.  Consider Lucy Thai
23:46.21calladoI mean, Mr. Reiser Kill your dad? :P
23:46.25jamesdcallado, yeap
23:46.29calladosorry, I couldn't stop :P
23:46.32KaRiMcan anyone tell me how to add unstable repo's to debian 3.1?
23:46.38nvzthe possibility that "they are" and "they're" are somehow more appropriate than the other in some cases just baffles me
23:46.47abrotmanKaRiM: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't
23:46.51abrotman!sid upgrade
23:46.52dpkg_Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.
23:46.52stonedKaRiM, you should not mix stable with unstable
23:46.59KaRiMwell, I need python2.4
23:47.05simonrvneek, stable+unstable == deatch
23:47.05KaRiMI can do it on Ubuntu
23:47.09calladooook, It's testing now
23:47.13simonrvndeath even
23:47.16calladoKaRiM: bad word budy
23:47.17KaRiMtrue, but its a VM
23:47.23nvzsimonrvn: we're all mixed race, hitler lost.. remember.
23:47.23azeemKaRiM: python2.4 is in stable
23:47.27dondelelcaroKaRiM: you can do it on any system, but you probably won't like the results.
23:47.34stoned!tell KaRiM -about backports
23:47.37KaRiMwell, howcome its not in my package list?
23:47.40stonedmight not help but whatever
23:47.47KaRiMi tried apt-cache search python2.4
23:47.52azeem!info python2.4 sarge
23:48.00stonedpython-2.4 no?
23:48.00dpkg_python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 3414 kB, Installed size: 10952 kB
23:48.06stonednm
23:48.14gpmaha!
23:48.23simonrvnnvz:  many 'north americans' are... i meant mixed ancestry more than 'race'. race is a fake word anyway
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23:48.31KaRiMhmmm...
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23:48.51calladohave a nice day all
23:48.53stonedsimonrvn, Taxonomists don't believe in races among homosapiens
23:48.55stonedafaik anyway
23:48.56KaRiMokay, how do I add the stable repo as a source... i dont think its added it correctly
23:49.04azeemKaRiM: eh
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23:49.08simonrvnstoned:  ^^
23:49.11KaRiMI'm trying to run this thing in a Jailed VM
23:49.14azeemKaRiM: paste your sources.list to a pastebin
23:49.16KaRiMbut it has internet access
23:49.19azeem!paster
23:49.20dpkg_extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
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23:49.46stonedsimonrvn, I know I was agreeing
23:49.50KaRiMoh I ONLY have the cd and security.debian.org
23:49.51gpmKaRiM: apt-setup should make it less painful for you...but you really should check out the apt-howto and other documentation on debian.org
23:49.54simonrvnoh, ok :)
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23:50.22KaRiMyeeeeeayyyy
23:50.24KaRiM:)
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23:50.29KaRiMthanks guys
23:50.31DerJamsteris it just me, or is apt-file acting up lately? as in, not finding stuff it really should.
23:50.36serfurjwhy would a package that's in stable and unstable disappear from testing?  (eg. cinepaint)
23:50.36KaRiMso how are you all this evening?
23:51.08DerJamsterserfurj: It'd not be the first. Usually temporary.
23:51.13stonedDerJamster, did you update
23:51.16DerJamsterstoned: yeah
23:51.21stonedDerJamster, apt-file update?
23:51.30KaRiMYeeeeayyy....at LONG last
23:51.39KaRiMi have access to upgrade my packages...LOL
23:51.39DerJamsterstoned: yes yes. apt-file update and all, but it's only finding a fraction of what it's supposed to find.
23:51.51DerJamsterstoned: what are you running? testing?
23:52.04stonedfuck this, I'll be back in amin on ipv4 this v6 tunnel is laggy as all hell
23:52.06redondosHello. I'm taking a chance here: Was anyone subscribed to the debian-devel list on June 2000? I need an attachment from back then.
23:52.44KaRiMokay guys, heres a question that baffles me...I KNOW how to make an rpm...any manuals you guys reccomend on how to build a .deb?
23:53.11DerJamsterKaRiM: one sec..
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23:53.57KaRiMbrb guys....
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23:56.07DerJamsterKaRiM: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
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23:57.15DerJamsterstoned: what does apt-file search bin/find give you?
23:57.37stoned"apt-file search bin/find" ?
23:57.59stonedI am using sid btw
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23:58.58stonedDerJamster, pgmfindclip: usr/bin/pgmfindclip
23:59.01stonedthis is what I get
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