| 00:00.07 | stoned | DerJamster, I think you maybe right |
| 00:00.46 | stoned | DerJamster, I know for a fact that I have gnupg installed, and ever after an update, apt-file search gpgv returns nothing |
| 00:00.56 | stoned | s/ever/even |
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| 00:02.11 | DerJamster | stoned: yeah. |
| 00:02.17 | DerJamster | 's been like this for a week. |
| 00:02.37 | Fackamato | did SF die? |
| 00:02.40 | DerJamster | stoned: I'm not even getting the pgmfindclip line ;) |
| 00:03.01 | DerJamster | Fackamato: hmmh..dns resolving is taking it's time... |
| 00:03.11 | DerJamster | Fackamato: nope. it lives. |
| 00:03.33 | Fackamato | http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/cdemu-snap.tar.bz2 I can't dl that, it times out, tried like 2034302 times now |
| 00:04.00 | stoned | I've tried cdemu |
| 00:04.14 | stoned | I can't say if it works ot not, because, it doesn't, for me |
| 00:04.30 | Fackamato | it has worked for me before |
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| 00:04.42 | Fackamato | but it doesn't compile now, so I thought I would give the cvs a try (checkout it out manually doesn't work) |
| 00:04.44 | Fackamato | (for me) |
| 00:04.47 | Fackamato | (times out) :P |
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| 00:05.14 | DerJamster | Fackamato: try http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/cdemu |
| 00:05.19 | DerJamster | or prdownload, not sure |
| 00:05.20 | stoned | well, I mean I can get the stuff going, point the bin/cue to proper virtual /dev/cdemu0 or whatever i can't remember its all until it is time to mount the damn thing |
| 00:05.26 | stoned | always errors |
| 00:05.36 | DerJamster | Usually I just convert bin/cue to iso |
| 00:05.48 | stoned | iso format doesn't hold stuff bin/cue does |
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| 00:05.57 | stoned | sometimes cd protections if any won't get into the iso format |
| 00:06.17 | Mtraker | joer |
| 00:06.23 | stoned | Mtraker, ? |
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| 00:06.32 | Mtraker | puedes repetirme el comando que me lo apunte? |
| 00:06.41 | stoned | Mtraker, what language? |
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| 00:06.44 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:06.44 | dpkg_ | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | Mtraker: english here please |
| 00:06.51 | Mtraker | sorry |
| 00:07.52 | dondelelcaro | dpkg_: wantnick |
| 00:08.19 | Mtraker | sorry abrotman i'm wrong the channel |
| 00:08.30 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:08.51 | simonrvn | wth |
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| 00:09.13 | simonrvn | does wantnick, and crashes...? |
| 00:09.21 | stoned | simonrvn, you've looked into racism? |
| 00:09.30 | stoned | simonrvn, I mean in the animal kingdom, excluding humans? |
| 00:09.43 | stoned | simonrvn, it is quite interesting, read up on it sometime |
| 00:09.46 | simonrvn | no. i know in humans it sucks |
| 00:10.00 | simonrvn | stupid concept |
| 00:10.56 | stoned | many races in one species will fight with each other, and not always because of any terretorial reasons, or mating, or food, etc. So hatred exists within animals too, its just interesting to read up on. Anyway, back on topic |
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| 00:11.29 | DerJamster | Meh, we're animals anyways. |
| 00:11.30 | simonrvn | i don't think it's hatred. that's anthropomorphising |
| 00:11.36 | morphology | where's a repository where I can get older packages? |
| 00:11.46 | simonrvn | !sdn |
| 00:11.47 | dpkg_ | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 00:11.58 | morphology | thanks simonrvn |
| 00:12.10 | Tuborgn | I can't seem to connect with samba, and i've checked and double checked my config and users. Arg! |
| 00:12.21 | Honeyman | Kevin`: ahha, starting to understand this compilation process... linux-source is the whole source package to build any linux kernel, no matter of arch. And not that important for ndiswrapper building, probably can be removed. Ndiswrapper needs at least files .config and include/linux/version.h,... and they are arch-specific and defined in linux-headers-2.6.17-1-amd64-k8, i.e. arch-specific headers. And the other subdirectories of linux-headers-2.6.17-1-a |
| 00:12.21 | Honeyman | md64-k8 are lots of symlinks to general linux-headers-2.6.17-1... |
| 00:12.22 | simonrvn | #samba |
| 00:12.23 | DerJamster | Tuborgn: the iptables, too? ;) |
| 00:12.59 | Tuborgn | flushed |
| 00:13.06 | stoned | Tuborgn, you've installed the samba packages? |
| 00:13.11 | Tuborgn | It wont ask for a password, it just says you don't have permission. |
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| 00:13.21 | stoned | Tuborgn, and you've configured /etc/samba/smb.conf? |
| 00:13.27 | Tuborgn | I sure have. |
| 00:13.36 | stoned | Tuborgn, and lastly have you added the users with smbpasswd |
| 00:13.41 | Tuborgn | yes |
| 00:13.49 | stoned | Tuborgn, apt-get install smb-client |
| 00:13.50 | DerJamster | Tuborgn: you've set security to 'shared' and the shares to 'guest ok'? |
| 00:14.04 | stoned | Tuborgn, smbclient -L localhost |
| 00:14.05 | DerJamster | (in case you want to do this passwordless) |
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| 00:14.09 | stoned | does that work, it should give you an error |
| 00:14.19 | stoned | should tell you why tis not connectng |
| 00:14.35 | stoned | s/smb-client/smbclient |
| 00:14.39 | morphology | how do you start a second instance of X? it's something like startx -- -:1 right? |
| 00:14.53 | stoned | morphology, yes |
| 00:14.58 | Tuborgn | I think its a problem on the XP side. I set it up with security to users. I added these users to the system and to the smb password file |
| 00:15.11 | dvs | morphology: startx -- :1 |
| 00:15.17 | stoned | Tuborgn, I think xp needs to have the same users on it that exist on unix/linux |
| 00:15.27 | abrotman | Tuborgn: asked #samba ? |
| 00:15.27 | morphology | thx dvs |
| 00:15.30 | Tuborgn | every once in a blue moon it will ask for the password then it works but most of the time it doesnt |
| 00:15.41 | Tuborgn | abrotman - nobody ever answers in there. |
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| 00:15.55 | stoned | heh, not our problem if they don't answer |
| 00:16.02 | simonrvn | correction, it might be anthropomorphising... i'm not a non-human animal... but in humans there are certain behaviours that are taught, and some are instinct |
| 00:16.06 | Tuborgn | just thought I'd run it by you guys |
| 00:16.29 | Honeyman | Kevin`: .... and after that I face "scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory", which, together with the fact that linux-headers-2.6.17 are now dependent on non-existent package linux-kbuild-2.6.17, means that the kernel packagers are splitting something :) |
| 00:16.41 | stoned | simonrvn, I don't know, it can be argues that hate is not entirely learned, you're born with the capacity to hate, the reasons for hating are leaned, but not the emotion/feeling |
| 00:16.48 | Tuborgn | how do you guys normally go about mapping a network (samba) drive that requires a password? |
| 00:16.48 | stoned | argued* |
| 00:16.50 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 00:17.02 | Kevin` | Honeyman if you install the kernel from source, it always works :) |
| 00:17.06 | Tuborgn | the debian box has the same users as the windows machines trying to connect. |
| 00:18.12 | stoned | Tuborgn, and you've made sure the workgroup is correct? |
| 00:18.37 | stoned | Tuborgn, and security level ? what about smbclient -L localhost? what does that say? |
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| 00:19.09 | stoned | Tuborgn, lets make sure smb shares can be accessed on your pc first before we try to get windows to access them |
| 00:19.39 | stoned | Tuborgn, or there is no connctivity at all? |
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| 00:20.51 | elkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.02 | elkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.22 | stoned | !tell elkid -about 2006 key |
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| 00:21.42 | stoned | dpkg, hi |
| 00:21.43 | dpkg_ | bonjour |
| 00:21.48 | stoned | ahh hmm |
| 00:22.18 | Tuborgn | stoned - I get an error message saying I don't have permission to access this network resource. |
| 00:22.25 | Tuborgn | stoned- workgroup is the same |
| 00:22.39 | anabain | can anyone help me to apply a patch to a deb source? I have a foo.patch and got the deb source of a bar package. I've entered: cd bar, and then typed: patch -p1 < /path/to/foo.patch, but then I get this: No such file or directory. Any ideas? |
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| 00:23.12 | Tuborgn | smbclient -L localhost asks for a password |
| 00:23.28 | elkid | !tell stoned -about 2006 |
| 00:23.36 | elkid | !tell stoned -about 2006 key |
| 00:23.38 | abrotman | !tell Mtraker about away |
| 00:23.42 | stoned | elkid, there is something wrong with the bot right now |
| 00:24.06 | elkid | stoned, oh yea i dont know wich one use for serius |
| 00:24.37 | stoned | Tuborgn, and when you enter the password it should give an ftp like prompt or something |
| 00:24.48 | stoned | Tuborgn, so locally it works, but windows cannot access your linux smb shares? |
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| 00:24.56 | Tuborgn | stoned - yes |
| 00:25.16 | Tuborgn | I'm sure its XP, ...XP should ask me for a password |
| 00:25.21 | Tuborgn | but it doesn't |
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| 00:25.54 | Shadowcat | it's obviously always Microsoft's fault |
| 00:25.54 | stoned | Tuborgn, but can xp see the shares at least? |
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| 00:25.55 | Tuborgn | I can see the samba server when I goto my workgroup computers. When I click it, it says I do not have permission. |
| 00:26.09 | sandman | Is there a way to have an option to print only the odd pages of a series, and then the even pages? |
| 00:26.16 | Tuborgn | I can access all the other shares just fine. |
| 00:26.19 | stoned | Tuborgn, check security level |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | sandman: print with .. what? |
| 00:26.31 | sandman | Or, perhaps a prompt that will just print odd pages automatically, then tell me to switch the pages over and reload them in teh tray, then print the other pages? |
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| 00:26.56 | elkid | i don´t know why i getting some error at apt-get update with GPG |
| 00:27.02 | elkid | is it common? |
| 00:27.06 | sandman | I'm getting the same error now |
| 00:27.15 | Shadowcat | apparently it has to do with etch |
| 00:27.31 | Tuborgn | stoned- security = user |
| 00:27.39 | stoned | Tuborgn, I dunno, try ##windows here or #samba, or on dal.net #windows95 |
| 00:27.43 | sandman | It's telling me it's having trouble executing gpgv |
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| 00:28.04 | stoned | Tuborgn, it works on the linux side, thats all the help i can give you here |
| 00:28.24 | stoned | why? :( |
| 00:28.37 | Shadowcat | because you don't know windows |
| 00:28.47 | stoned | I do, I just don't want to bother with it |
| 00:29.01 | Shadowcat | prove it |
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| 00:29.06 | Shadowcat | solve elkid's error |
| 00:29.12 | stoned | elkid, ? |
| 00:29.22 | elkid | stoned, yeS? |
| 00:29.36 | elkid | Shadowcat, what is it? |
| 00:29.44 | stoned | Shadowcat, I don't have a windows machine handy, I can't test |
| 00:29.48 | Shadowcat | err I meant Tuborgn's problem |
| 00:29.55 | Shadowcat | damn I need to goto sleep soon |
| 00:30.03 | elkid | yes |
| 00:30.35 | dn4 | So was computer technology the actual reverse engineering of alien technology? |
| 00:30.39 | elkid | dam superkaramba, it very unstable @etch |
| 00:30.48 | stoned | superkaramba is a piece of shit anyway |
| 00:31.04 | stoned | utter bloatware eyecandy, crappy coding, unstable, crashes |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | typical kde stuff |
| 00:31.20 | stoned | shush! |
| 00:31.22 | elkid | isnt it better than the gnome´s? |
| 00:31.31 | Shadowcat | I concur, SHUSH |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:31.40 | stoned | elkid, better/worse are relative terms |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | all kde stuff is like that |
| 00:32.17 | elkid | lol, kde supose to be a good 1 |
| 00:32.33 | stoned | elkid, it all depends on what you want, and after using something, what you feel comfortable with |
| 00:32.39 | stoned | some people swear by kde, some by gnome |
| 00:32.43 | Shadowcat | kde 0wns j00 |
| 00:32.45 | stoned | it doesn't make any one of them better than the other |
| 00:32.57 | stoned | I use kde, madly in love with it, but I don't down on gnome either |
| 00:33.03 | stoned | they both have their uses for people who like them |
| 00:33.30 | elkid | or dont have choices in their cases ejje |
| 00:33.39 | stoned | linux == choice |
| 00:33.45 | stoned | always have choices, always |
| 00:34.01 | elkid | sure |
| 00:34.01 | Shadowcat | abrotman would rather have everyone using the original /bin/sh than any sort of gui :P |
| 00:34.34 | elkid | jeje |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | i use a gui |
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| 00:35.15 | DerJamster | stoned: yeah, but more and more people get criticized for their choices in Linuxland ;) |
| 00:35.20 | elkid | OH!, Btw have ever tried lasted xfce? |
| 00:35.34 | DerJamster | stoned: along the like of 'omg you use X over Y? You suck!' |
| 00:35.53 | stoned | DerJamster, men, I ignore people like that. I've got better things to talk about |
| 00:35.55 | stoned | like WEED! |
| 00:35.58 | stoned | ahem |
| 00:35.59 | DerJamster | heh :) |
| 00:36.33 | dvs | stoned: I like gardening too! ;-) |
| 00:36.43 | stoned | lol, word man, word |
| 00:36.53 | stoned | I can't 'garden' for like a few more weeks |
| 00:36.54 | stoned | :( |
| 00:38.01 | stoned | no it has to do with how the Islamic Prophet Mohammad was stoned in the city of Yesrab, when he went to go preach there. My nickname is in honor to his suffering for the people he was trying to save. |
| 00:38.08 | DerJamster | Ahhhh. Silly me. |
| 00:38.15 | stoned | no i'm kidding |
| 00:38.19 | stoned | i'm a pothead |
| 00:38.20 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:38.24 | DerJamster | DUH :P |
| 00:38.32 | DerJamster | Er, I mean |
| 00:38.33 | anabain | can anybody look at http://paste.debian.net/8384 and tell me what dir should I enter to apply the patch if I've downloaded the deb source for pam-0.79 ? |
| 00:38.34 | DerJamster | *GASP* |
| 00:39.14 | drasko | hi all. I cated /proc/interrupts, and found line: 10: 5521 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, uhci_hcd:usb3, eth0. Does that means that this IRQ is shared, and how to displace these devices, so no IRQ to be shared? |
| 00:40.55 | _ds | drasko: APIC support? |
| 00:41.20 | drasko | _ds, what's that? |
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| 00:41.25 | nn | AHA! it works |
| 00:42.10 | dvs | what works? |
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| 00:43.36 | _ds | drasko, look up "lapic" |
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| 00:44.46 | FunkyDiscoMan | DefectiveByDesign.org, today call to sign the petition, calling upon Bono (U2), to stand against DRM. |
| 00:44.47 | FunkyDiscoMan | http://defectivebydesign.org/pressreleases |
| 00:44.58 | FunkyDiscoMan | Bloody ipod ads :? |
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| 00:45.36 | drasko | _ds, so what was your question? |
| 00:45.39 | morphology | so how does one dpkg an older package over a newer one? |
| 00:46.54 | elkid | i m gona remove superkaramba it freezes in etch,.. |
| 00:47.09 | user1 | is make-kpkg optional ? |
| 00:47.21 | elkid | any sugesstion for replacing superkaramba? |
| 00:47.25 | dvs | user1: yes |
| 00:47.41 | user1 | thanks dvs |
| 00:47.56 | dvs | user1: it's in kernel-package |
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| 00:48.33 | user1 | off I go to down load |
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| 00:50.19 | abrotman | FunkyDiscoMan: did you just spam us? |
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| 00:50.33 | FunkyDiscoMan | its in good cause |
| 00:50.38 | FunkyDiscoMan | you like drm? |
| 00:50.49 | FunkyDiscoMan | just sign petition |
| 00:51.19 | abrotman | go away ass |
| 00:51.21 | morphology | why doesn't dpkg --force-downgrade foo1.deb work? |
| 00:51.28 | sifidi | hi, can someone tell me how to change the mirror apt-get uses |
| 00:52.21 | morphology | nvm... I got the syntax now |
| 00:52.53 | dabreegster | sifidi: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:53.14 | sifidi | tanks |
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| 01:00.57 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:00.57 | dpkg_ | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:01.46 | _ds | "methane gas comes out my donkey"? :-) |
| 01:01.54 | hologram | hello |
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| 01:06.47 | smax | what multimedia play supports asx format? |
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| 01:06.55 | smax | err player |
| 01:07.18 | anabain | how can I delete a defunct process? |
| 01:07.28 | dvs | anabain: kill -9 |
| 01:07.45 | ryan` | Hi, I'm running Exim 4.50 on Debian Sarge, and I am attempting to change the recived_header_text option, but it seems to get ignored. What might I be doing wrong? |
| 01:07.54 | ryan` | I have restarted exim |
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| 01:08.05 | anabain | dvs, it refuses to die |
| 01:08.22 | _ds | "recived"? Perhaps there's the problem... |
| 01:08.52 | sevo | hello. i'm trying to "debootstrap" on an arm machine and debootstrap complains about missing pkgdetails. there was no pkgdetails binary included in debootstrap_0.3.3_all.deb which i got from the debian ftp. there is only the source included. can i get a binary of that somewhere? |
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| 01:09.46 | ryan` | received_header_text is how it is in the config file |
| 01:09.51 | ryan` | i mistyped here |
| 01:10.24 | MDC | where can I ask a question about ipsec (openswan and cisco)? |
| 01:14.04 | dansushi[deb] | dpkg, how does that work? |
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| 01:16.49 | abrotman | dansushi[deb]: dpkg is a bot |
| 01:16.56 | dansushi[deb] | oh |
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| 01:17.09 | dansushi[deb] | well, how does apt-get moo work?\ |
| 01:17.23 | abrotman | it's a command .. in your terminal ... type `apt-get moo` |
| 01:17.45 | dansushi[deb] | oh, yeah sorry, i know i did that, but i mean isn't apt-get for installing? |
| 01:18.03 | abrotman | yep |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | try aptitude -v[v][v][v][v][v] moo |
| 01:18.19 | dansushi[deb] | is it just some random thing that the programmers put in? |
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| 01:19.19 | anabain | I want to delete two processes, one is defunct (jackd) and the other refuses to die (qjackctl), kill -9 PID doesn't work. any ideas? |
| 01:19.29 | dansushi[deb] | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers.... |
| 01:20.02 | dabreegster | dansushi[deb]: Really? I get 'There are no Easter Eggs in this program.' |
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| 01:22.04 | sevo | anabain, you can kill -TERM PID |
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| 01:22.53 | abrotman | try -vvvvv |
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| 01:23.29 | abrotman | there are five optional v's there |
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| 01:24.41 | anabain | doesn't work, sevo |
| 01:25.36 | dabreegster | abrotman: That's pitiful ASCII art. I'd've thought developers could do better than that. |
| 01:25.43 | RiverRat | anabain: Zombie processes are already dead but they hang around until something can collect the return status they are holding. |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | dabreegster: `cowsay shut it` |
| 01:26.22 | dabreegster | abrotman: Much better |
| 01:26.23 | anabain | RiverRat, what do you suggest? I cannot restart jackd audio server |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 01:26.45 | dpkg_ | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 01:26.46 | RiverRat | anabain: Um, reparent it is the only way. I usually just ignore them. |
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| 01:27.38 | RiverRat | dpkg: botsnack |
| 01:27.38 | dpkg_ | :), RiverRat |
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| 01:29.12 | dondelelcaro | dpkg_: wantnick |
| 01:29.48 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 01:30.39 | anabain | RiverRat, how can I reparent the process? Ignoring does not work... |
| 01:31.54 | RiverRat | anabain: I don't know how from the command line. (You can also kill the parent) but in C there are calls to do it. |
| 01:32.20 | basbryan | reparent a process? |
| 01:33.08 | anabain | RiverRat, wow! |
| 01:33.17 | abrotman | anabain: ignore them or reboot |
| 01:34.14 | anabain | ignoring does not work, as the other program complains about a running process (which actually is defunct), abrotman |
| 01:34.31 | ice_1963 | i keep getting this error when i do a apt-get update w:GPG ? |
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| 01:34.58 | abrotman | anabain: then reboot the damn system |
| 01:35.01 | anabain | abrotman, and rebooting is like winbugs |
| 01:35.04 | ice_1963 | and gpgv |
| 01:35.34 | abrotman | anabain: stop whining .. either ignore them .. or reboot |
| 01:35.52 | anabain | ok |
| 01:36.28 | linux2 | anyone know where i can get bunzip2 for debian? |
| 01:36.35 | _ds | bzip2, of course :-) |
| 01:37.12 | linux2 | _ds, thanks |
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| 01:37.53 | nullcode | Starting file alteration monitor: invoke-rc.d: init script fam, action "start" failed |
| 01:37.56 | nullcode | i got that error |
| 01:38.01 | nullcode | while trying to dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:38.03 | nullcode | any help ? |
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| 01:45.18 | linux2 | can anyone help me with this error im getting while trying to run a game |
| 01:45.22 | linux2 | /home/will/Games/MutantStormDemo//mutantstorm-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:45.31 | abrotman | !tell linux2 about search |
| 01:45.38 | bluefox83 | i keep getting this wierd post during apt-get update..can anyone tell me wtf it is? |
| 01:45.42 | bluefox83 | Get:5 2006-06-10-1340.42.pdiff [15.8kB] |
| 01:45.42 | bluefox83 | Get:6 2006-06-09-1339.26.pdiff [15.8kB] |
| 01:45.42 | bluefox83 | Get:7 2006-06-09-1339.26.pdiff [15.8kB] |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 01:45.47 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. |
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| 01:46.17 | bluefox83 | mmm...how do i make it stop doing that? it takes longer than it needs to |
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| 01:47.24 | abrotman | tough .. you can't |
| 01:47.56 | nullcode | Starting file alteration monitor: invoke-rc.d: init script fam, action "start" failed |
| 01:47.59 | nullcode | any help ? |
| 01:48.04 | linux2 | now let me ask again |
| 01:48.11 | linux2 | where can i find. libcurl.so.2 |
| 01:48.25 | nn2 | debian has hepled me set up a sweet server !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:48.30 | nn2 | go debian |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | !tell linux2 about search |
| 01:49.13 | shogunx | linux2 apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libcurl.so.2 |
| 01:49.14 | linux2 | abrotman, i tried apt-file search foo |
| 01:49.22 | linux2 | excpet with the correct values |
| 01:49.31 | linux2 | and nothing came up. nothign really comes up for anything |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | linux2: apt-file search libcurl.so ? |
| 01:49.36 | nn2 | um ipopd certificate trubble |
| 01:49.46 | linux2 | comp1:/home/will/Games/MutantStormDemo# apt-file search libcurl.so |
| 01:49.46 | linux2 | comp1:/home/will/Games/MutantStormDemo# |
| 01:49.49 | user1 | now what do i do with the section the sayes append_to _version? |
| 01:49.51 | abrotman | did you run apt-file update? |
| 01:49.54 | nn2 | thinks it local host |
| 01:49.56 | shogunx | linux2 you must populate the database with apt-file update |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | you know .. like man apt-file |
| 01:50.04 | linux2 | i ran apt-file update |
| 01:50.11 | linux2 | and well it takes about 1 second to update |
| 01:50.57 | abrotman | linux2: then use packages.debian.org |
| 01:50.58 | shogunx | how about libcurl.so.3? its there. |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | when you search for libcurl.so .. it shows all |
| 01:51.14 | linux2 | shogunx, the game is too old and only links to libcurl.so.2 |
| 01:51.20 | linux2 | abrotman, it shows nothing |
| 01:51.29 | linux2 | comp1:/home/will/Games/MutantStormDemo# apt-file update |
| 01:51.29 | linux2 | comp1:/home/will/Games/MutantStormDemo# |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | linux2: use packages.debian.org AND STOP PASTING IN HERE |
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| 01:51.55 | abrotman | or stop playing crap binary games |
| 01:52.13 | linux2 | well just so you know |
| 01:52.20 | linux2 | apt-file is apparently broken |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | or you are |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | works for me |
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| 01:53.30 | shogunx | try archive.debian.org linux2 |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | linux2: use packages.debian.org |
| 01:54.01 | user1 | I have a quick question, I am rebuilding a kernel |
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| 01:54.07 | linux2 | shogunx, tried it. and nothing |
| 01:54.11 | user1 | now what do i do with the section the sayes append_to _version? |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | i give up |
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| 01:54.32 | nullcode | any help ? =/ |
| 01:54.34 | shogunx | !beer abrotman |
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| 01:54.52 | dansushi | hi'm haviong trouble changing the resolution of my screen to anything hight than 1024x768.. there are no higher choices... |
| 01:55.15 | hologram | have you edited xorg.conf ? |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | linux2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373903 |
| 01:55.28 | dansushi[deb] | oh, hey linux2 |
| 01:56.46 | nn2 | who know certificates at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 01:57.08 | abrotman | i think you meant "?????????????????/? |
| 01:57.09 | abrotman | " |
| 01:57.30 | hologram | dont encourage him |
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| 01:57.39 | nn2 | well just need to fix ipopd here |
| 01:57.50 | user1 | no one liked my question? |
| 01:57.51 | abrotman | is that all? |
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| 01:58.03 | nn2 | y |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | user1: you can use it to append a string |
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| 01:58.29 | shogunx | user1 used for local versioning, iirc. like if you are patching a kernel or so. |
| 01:58.40 | linux2 | where do i install bin/sh |
| 01:58.42 | linux2 | or how? |
| 01:58.45 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:58.46 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 01:58.56 | nn2 | having trubble with it thinking is localhost |
| 01:59.20 | phogg | denmaeth: have you got other modes listed in your X config file? |
| 01:59.25 | user1 | use use it to customize the discription right? |
| 01:59.32 | linux2 | #!/bin/sh |
| 01:59.38 | linux2 | what package would contain that file |
| 01:59.41 | nn2 | witch makes a err with pop email programs |
| 02:00.07 | abrotman | user1: yes |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | which |
| 02:00.28 | user1 | abortman: thank |
| 02:00.43 | linux2 | im trying to run an installer script and im getting some error about a command not being found |
| 02:00.46 | linux2 | any ideas |
| 02:00.58 | linux2 | it is #!/bin/sh |
| 02:01.01 | dabreegster | linux2: Which command? |
| 02:01.05 | nn2 | user1, i set up an ircd i used ircd-hybread the easest to configure |
| 02:01.09 | user1 | shogunx: thanks for your advice as well |
| 02:01.13 | dabreegster | linux2: Which command isn't found? |
| 02:01.13 | linux2 | dabreegster, it is an installer script |
| 02:01.25 | linux2 | dabreegster, im just assuming /bin/sh |
| 02:01.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:01.34 | linux2 | comp1:/home/will/Desktop/sphere# sh ./make-installer.sh |
| 02:01.34 | linux2 | : command not found: line 2: |
| 02:01.48 | linux2 | then it fails with two syntax errors |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | what are installing? |
| 02:01.58 | linux2 | so im guessing it just can't find /bin/sh |
| 02:02.06 | linux2 | abrotman, sphere |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | a game? |
| 02:02.18 | linux2 | abrotman, no a game engine |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | right .. ask them |
| 02:03.01 | linux2 | abrotman, give me one sec and i will post the error and the code on pastebin |
| 02:03.15 | abrotman | don't give a shit .. it's not in debian |
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| 02:06.08 | linux2 | http://pastebin.ca/76107 |
| 02:06.17 | linux2 | if anyone could take a quick look i would appreciate it |
| 02:06.38 | abrotman | ask #sphere |
| 02:10.03 | user1 | one more question |
| 02:10.40 | user1 | do I replace append to version or add a = at the end of it? |
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| 02:11.11 | user1 | if I remember right I replace it |
| 02:11.27 | _ds | linux2: which shell is /bin/sh? (bash? dash? something else?) |
| 02:11.42 | linux2 | _ds, bash |
| 02:12.16 | user1 | just type in some misspelled command |
| 02:12.47 | user1 | and it will say _________ could not find comand |
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| 02:13.31 | user1 | that would be one way right? |
| 02:13.55 | user1 | and it should be bash |
| 02:17.11 | user1 | well I will give it try with replacing it |
| 02:17.33 | linux2 | http://pastebin.ca/76107 |
| 02:17.38 | linux2 | well there is what it was saying |
| 02:18.14 | linux2 | bash: ./make-installer.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 02:18.16 | cusco | linux2: remove the die bit |
| 02:18.17 | linux2 | i just got that |
| 02:18.29 | cusco | lines 8 9 and 10 of pastebin |
| 02:18.58 | _ds | And line 11. |
| 02:19.51 | user1 | by the way |
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| 02:20.21 | linux2 | anyone got anyting on that current error |
| 02:20.30 | user1 | why is it a bad thing to paste in the channel ? |
| 02:20.34 | linux2 | cause when i run just sh i got the error you guys say |
| 02:20.42 | linux2 | when i run ./ |
| 02:20.54 | linux2 | i get the error about /bin/sh bad interpreter |
| 02:21.11 | dabreegster | user1: It's annoying, for starters. |
| 02:22.52 | user1 | I have learned it is a bad thing to annoy the channel |
| 02:23.37 | cusco | normally there is people talking.. and pastes containing several lines.. cuts off other people's conversation |
| 02:23.56 | cusco | even tho its not busy right now.. its good practice not to paste in the chan |
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| 02:25.00 | user1 | thanks I am still getting the hang of this stff |
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| 02:29.18 | Jenkens | hello folks, I just installed debian/etch and am in a bit of a pickle. I keep getting this when running apt-get update |
| 02:29.18 | Jenkens | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 02:29.34 | Jenkens | I was wondering if anyone could assist? I've searched the lists.. and it seems to be a key that I'm missing? |
| 02:29.57 | dvs | Jenkens: /topic |
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| 02:30.26 | Jenkens | i see! thank you |
| 02:31.28 | basbryan | if u can't read http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/ballc/oe/old_english.html then u shouldn't beon ##linux |
| 02:31.42 | basbryan | since weall know eng changes |
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| 02:32.13 | Jenkens | dvs: i assume that if I hadn't imported that key that apt-get would have eventually worked once the debian team updated the key? |
| 02:32.41 | dvs | Jenkens: I think you'd have to reinstall the system after Debian updated the key |
| 02:32.49 | Jenkens | interesting... i still get the error |
| 02:32.56 | Jenkens | even after apt-key add - |
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| 02:34.41 | Jenkens | did i so something wrong? |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | !tell basbryan about u |
| 02:35.09 | dvs | Hmmmm.... I don't know what it is then |
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| 02:35.59 | Jenkens | root@decode:~/.gnupg# gpgv |
| 02:35.59 | Jenkens | gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error |
| 02:36.39 | Jenkens | also can i delete the expired keys out of apt-key ? |
| 02:36.48 | abrotman | apt-key |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.19 | Jenkens | right, but can i delete the expired keys or will that screw something up |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:37.40 | Jenkens | like the archival signing key that expired on 1-31-06 |
| 02:38.26 | _ds | 31/1/06, surely :-) |
| 02:38.55 | Jenkens | ok |
| 02:39.04 | Jenkens | so now what about this gpgv error? |
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| 02:40.32 | stoned | abrotman, im drunk! |
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| 02:41.05 | stoned | I am not a glass of water. Glasses of water don't chat on irc :) |
| 02:41.08 | Jenkens | rhmmmm |
| 02:41.09 | Jenkens | alright |
| 02:41.10 | stoned | nm, lame joke |
| 02:41.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | stoned: i'm shocked :) |
| 02:41.24 | stoned | abrotman, off beers no less! |
| 02:41.27 | stoned | coors light |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | ew |
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| 02:42.02 | stoned | I didn't purchase it, upstairs neighours having a party, Im down here burning a few cds for em |
| 02:42.07 | stoned | tons of hot chics upstairs |
| 02:42.23 | stoned | :D |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | good thing yoiu're on irc |
| 02:42.33 | dvs | stoned: and your here?!? |
| 02:42.36 | stoned | soon as my cds are burned, im gone |
| 02:43.01 | stoned | they wanted some hip hop and jungle music, I am burning them the mitchel brothers, the streets, and some Andy C. |
| 02:43.21 | stoned | word cds done, laters |
| 02:43.28 | dvs | bye |
| 02:46.53 | user1 | this shit would be a lot eaier if I just checked my spelling |
| 02:47.04 | fdsd | Hey guys, I just want to let everyone know I made dinner for the first time today! Chicken, peppers and brocolli, Yes I know its amazing, but I am just a normal man, You can do this too! |
| 02:47.15 | dvs | I can? |
| 02:47.47 | scrillar | good food fdsd |
| 02:48.02 | fdsd | scrillar, it was:) |
| 02:48.17 | seeds | cool |
| 02:48.25 | fdsd | teriyaki marinaded |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:49.26 | seeds | hehehe |
| 02:49.42 | orge | hey. when i do rm -rf file, it suppose to free up space right |
| 02:49.47 | fdsd | it was delish! |
| 02:49.51 | orge | but how come when i did it, i didn't? |
| 02:49.54 | orge | it* |
| 02:49.56 | abrotman | sync |
| 02:50.01 | orge | what you mean? |
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| 02:51.41 | orge | i tried that |
| 02:52.14 | deadcat | is it true that if i use a usb hub that doesnt have its own power, it might fry the mother board if too many usb devices are attatched? |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | ask #hardware .. but it has to draw ti's power from somewhere |
| 02:55.44 | orge | abrotman: is there any other way? |
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| 02:57.17 | Jenkens | how do i go about downloading the kernel source for 2.6 through apt? all i've got is 2.4? |
| 02:57.36 | orge | you don't |
| 02:57.41 | Jenkens | ooh |
| 02:57.41 | orge | get it at www.kernel.org |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | yes you do |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | don't tell him that |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
| 02:58.01 | Jenkens | abrot: ok |
| 02:58.06 | orge | if you wanna fuck your system up, yes |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | now i'm definitely not helping orge |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | idiot |
| 02:58.21 | orge | abrotman: suck a dick, no homo |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | !tell orge about gay |
| 02:58.32 | Jenkens | sudo apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
| 02:58.36 | Jenkens | turns up blank |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | apt-cache search linux-source-2.6 |
| 02:59.03 | orge | Jenkens: dumbass, get it at www.kernel.org like i said |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | don't do that .. |
| 02:59.17 | orge | if you're using sarge you can't get that shit |
| 02:59.19 | abrotman | Jenkens: first of all .. why are you compiling a kernel |
| 02:59.20 | Jenkens | abrotman: ok i see it there.. |
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| 02:59.27 | Jenkens | orge; I'm using 'etch' |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | orge: shut the hell up if you don't know what you're talking about |
| 02:59.37 | littleball | hello, any fax server for linux? |
| 02:59.41 | orge | abrotman = homosexual |
| 02:59.47 | Jenkens | abrotman: because I can, why not? |
| 02:59.47 | orge | just to tell you that |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | orge: idiot |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | littleball: hylafax |
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| 03:00.02 | abrotman | Jenkens: because there's no need |
| 03:00.06 | orge | abrotman = 54 years old |
| 03:00.16 | abrotman | orge: are you done trolling? |
| 03:00.16 | Jenkens | abrotman: alright, well then perhaps i'll leave it |
| 03:00.19 | littleball | thanks |
| 03:00.21 | cusco | orge = 8 years old |
| 03:00.26 | abrotman | Jenkens: if you don't have a good reason .. don't bother |
| 03:00.29 | orge | cusco: not even |
| 03:00.35 | cusco | there. |
| 03:00.38 | Jenkens | abrotman: just customizing my laptop, truly |
| 03:00.48 | orge | orge = 6 months |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | Jenkens: honestly .. unless your laptop is a P120 or has 24MB of RAM.. there's really no need |
| 03:01.18 | Jenkens | abrotman: alright, how about this. Where can I learn about adding non-US sources to my apt-get sources.list, and what does that give me (mplayer? etc?) |
| 03:01.33 | Jenkens | abrot: 1GHz PIII, 512MB ram.. |
| 03:01.36 | Jenkens | so yeah i guess not |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | Jenkens: there is no more non-us |
| 03:01.46 | Jenkens | oh |
| 03:01.49 | Jenkens | well, f me |
| 03:01.51 | Seb | Jenkens: and for mplayer ask dpkg about marillat |
| 03:01.58 | orge | !marillat |
| 03:01.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 03:02.08 | Seb | orge: notice how i asked him to message the bot ? |
| 03:02.14 | Jenkens | seb: dpkg? |
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| 03:02.23 | Jenkens | ok, i have debian-multimedia.org in my sources already |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | Seb: some people should die? :) |
| 03:02.37 | cusco | apt-get update; apt-cache search mplayer |
| 03:02.40 | Seb | Jenkens: then you're all set |
| 03:02.47 | spundun | hi... I have a kernel panic problem... but first a simple one... I am trying to run "mount /dev/discs/disc0/part2 root" and I get error saying "mount: Mounting /dev/discs/disc0/part2 on /mount/root failed: Invalid argument" can anyone tell me what that means? I can't figure out whats wrong... I have mounted partitions a hundred times... I don't know what I am doing wrong this time. |
| 03:02.52 | Seb | abrotman: something along those lines, yeah. I get to choose how they do so though ;) |
| 03:02.57 | Jenkens | seb: ok.. i guess i'm just lost on dpkg vs apt-get, do they not do the same thing? |
| 03:03.05 | Seb | Jenkens: i meant dpkg the bot in this channel |
| 03:03.05 | Jenkens | err, i see. the BOT |
| 03:03.10 | Jenkens | yes yes.. sorry |
| 03:03.14 | Jenkens | i dont IRC much anymore |
| 03:03.16 | Seb | Jenkens: np |
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| 03:03.26 | Jenkens | thanks again for the patience |
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| 03:03.38 | Woosta | Anyone know about udev here? When I plug media into my media drive it isn't added to /dev/ |
| 03:03.54 | Jenkens | i had a heck of a time figuring out how to change my display manager, i finally just did it through ~/.xsession, i hope that was proper. |
| 03:03.54 | Seb | Jenkens: to answer your former question, dpkg deals with .deb itself, while apt-get takes care of solving dependencies and fetching the right .deb (in a nutshell) |
| 03:03.59 | evilgeek | spundun: it means "dude, you haven't loaded the appropriate kernel module yet" or "dude, i don't know what type of file system that is." |
| 03:04.00 | dvs | Woosta: Then you probably have to make a rule for it. |
| 03:04.06 | Jenkens | since update-alternatives didn't seem to do me any good |
| 03:04.23 | Seb | Jenkens: yeah ~/.xsession is proper in Debian |
| 03:04.28 | Jenkens | alright |
| 03:04.30 | spundun | evilgeek: parted and fsck recognise that device as ext3 file system... |
| 03:04.37 | evilgeek | Jenkens: no. apt-get is the love-child of wget and dpkg. |
| 03:04.39 | Woosta | dvs: Cool .. I'll see if I can find any info unless you know a URL off the top of your head .. or at least what kind of "rule" I should be looking for |
| 03:04.55 | evilgeek | spundun: so, do you have the ext3 modules loaded? |
| 03:05.01 | Jenkens | evilgeek: alright |
| 03:05.04 | dvs | Woosta: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 03:05.07 | Woosta | NM.. found a guide to writing udef rules .. I'll read that :) |
| 03:05.11 | Woosta | Yup, that's the one :) |
| 03:05.11 | Seb | spundun: try to strace it and see on what it balks |
| 03:05.16 | Woosta | ta |
| 03:05.16 | Jenkens | next up is to get my wifi card to work i guess |
| 03:05.36 | spundun | well, its a 2.6 kernel... shouldn't ext3 be builtin? I havent loded any module explicitly (this is a sarge net install cdrom kernel) |
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| 03:06.57 | sussudio | !do Seb |
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| 03:07.01 | Woosta | Ooh, there's a whole USB Card Reader section in there :) |
| 03:07.06 | Seb | ah, my old friend sussudio |
| 03:07.07 | evilgeek | modprobe ext3. |
| 03:07.11 | spundun | evilgeek: see my last comment please... Seb : sargenet install disk, no strace available :( ...me will try to poke around a bit |
| 03:07.13 | abrotman | !kubuntu |
| 03:07.14 | dpkg | hmm... kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
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| 03:11.25 | Jenks2 | whoops |
| 03:11.34 | spundun | Seb: evilgeek: mount -t ext3 worked :) |
| 03:11.56 | Seb | spundun: yeah, mount on the netinstall cd is prolly less evolved than the regular one. |
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| 03:12.45 | mattwestm | so, I have an old ISA ethernet card, and the driver won't automaitcally load. How do I find out what model it is? |
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| 03:13.28 | Thanatermesis | any idea of how to umount a /proc dir mounted on a debootstrap dir ? |
| 03:13.53 | Woosta | dvs: OK, so I found a rule and worked out how it works, but .. where do I put it? /etc/udev/ has a lot of *.rules files .. |
| 03:14.00 | Jenks2 | hrmmm |
| 03:14.05 | dvs | Woosta: make your own |
| 03:14.14 | Woosta | Ahh, and just put it in that dir? |
| 03:14.33 | Jenks2 | can i make nickserv drop my other nick so I can get it back.. damnit |
| 03:14.38 | Woosta | or in rules.d? |
| 03:14.40 | _ds | Create /etc/udev/local.rules and symlink it into /etc/udev/rules.d. (Or at least, that's what I did.) |
| 03:14.51 | dvs | Woosta: Yup, then create a link in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 03:14.57 | Woosta | excellent :) |
| 03:15.00 | Woosta | Thanks a heap |
| 03:15.07 | dvs | _ds: liar! ;-) |
| 03:15.12 | Jenks2 | brb |
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| 03:16.45 | spundun | so the main problem is that on my itanium box I upgraded the kernel recently and the bootloader seems to have broken... I get an error on boot saying "kernel panic: not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs from unknown block (0,0)" ..... I suspect that the new kernel didnt configure the location of the root partition properly in the elilo boot loader... unfortunately I dont know much about elilo... |
| 03:17.12 | Thanatermesis | any idea of how to umount a /proc dir mounted on a debootstrap dir ? |
| 03:17.30 | user1 | did it ever work? |
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| 03:17.37 | spundun | can I just chroot into the harddrive through net install cd and reinstall elilo or something (donno what) and let it take care of it? |
| 03:17.41 | Jenks2 | hrmph i guess i'll just hve to let it drop off |
| 03:18.12 | spundun | user1: me? yes... its been working for more than a year.. I just upgraded the kernel from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15 |
| 03:18.42 | user1 | ok after the upgrade did it work? |
| 03:18.50 | dvs | spundun: I suspect you just copied the Debian .config and compiled your own (maybe with some modifications) |
| 03:19.34 | spundun | dvs: I am not sure what you mean... I haven't compiled anything, I use synaptic (but I suspect you mean something else) |
| 03:19.49 | wakejagr | Jenks2: /msg nickserv help recover i think recover is the command to help you get back the original nick |
| 03:19.54 | dvs | spundun: Oh, so it's a prepackaged kernel? |
| 03:20.02 | spundun | dvs: yes... |
| 03:20.46 | Jenks2 | good grief. |
| 03:20.50 | Jenks2 | the help didnt mention that |
| 03:21.08 | Jenkens | yay |
| 03:21.15 | user1 | well I have just started the kernel rebuild |
| 03:21.29 | orge | hey. when i do rm -rf file, it suppose to free up space right |
| 03:21.40 | orge | but how come when i did it, it didn't? |
| 03:21.47 | Jenkens | orge: sync;sync;sync |
| 03:21.50 | dvs | Jenkens: you do know that you can kick them off yourself if you have the password |
| 03:21.53 | orge | lol |
| 03:21.57 | orge | i tried that many times |
| 03:22.03 | dabreegster | orge: Not immediately in most filesystems. It'll just remove the entry about in in the filesystem |
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| 03:22.15 | Jenkens | dvs: yeah, my client died is all.. the help didnt mention 'recover' i thought it was 'kill' |
| 03:22.32 | orge | dabreegster: i deleted A FILE that is 700MB |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | guess you're screwed |
| 03:22.51 | _ds | CD image? |
| 03:22.52 | orge | that should clean it up right away |
| 03:22.55 | orge | .tar |
| 03:22.56 | spundun | does any one have experience with elilo on itanium? I have installed new linux kernel packages and I think the elilo configuration points to a non-existing root location... I think the elilo configuration is skrewed up but not sure. |
| 03:23.01 | abrotman | which filesystem? |
| 03:23.07 | orge | ext3 |
| 03:23.17 | Jenkens | hrm |
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| 03:23.35 | cjaymes | how do you figure out the capacity of a DVD-R ? |
| 03:23.44 | Jenkens | how do i get debian to automatically bring my wifi card up and grab a dhcp address when i plug it into a PCMCIA slot (I usually use the wired lan.. but if I travel.. ya know) |
| 03:23.56 | Jenkens | i plug it in, it registers the device but doesn't show in ifconfig |
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| 03:24.31 | Woosta | dvs: OK, the rule's there and linked to rules.d .. I've run /etc/init.d/udef restart, it's restarted, but udevtest /bus/usb/devices/3-2/ is showing exactly the same thing .. |
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| 03:26.02 | dansushi[server] | what is the command for configuring one's monitor? |
| 03:26.27 | _ds | Given a new-enough kernel, "echo >/sys/PATH/TO/DEVICE/uevent" should kick udev into action... |
| 03:26.39 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 03:26.40 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 03:27.01 | user1 | I was just going to type that |
| 03:27.23 | hologram | anyone know why the konsole audible bell would not function? ive already enabled this feature in kde's control panel sounds & multimedia section |
| 03:27.38 | user1 | well the comand part |
| 03:27.43 | hologram | just want to be able to hear the konsole bell through the speakers rather than see a visual bell |
| 03:28.02 | Woosta | _ds: bash: /sys/bus/usb/devices/3-2/uevent: Permission denied |
| 03:28.08 | Woosta | (That's as root) |
| 03:28.14 | _ds | Hmm. :-\ |
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| 03:28.39 | _ds | In that case, all that I can suggest is disconnect & reconnect the device. |
| 03:28.59 | Woosta | heh .. it's an internal card reader .. so I guess that would be a full restart :) |
| 03:29.24 | _ds | Oh, right :-) |
| 03:29.38 | _ds | Infernal card reader. :-) |
| 03:30.19 | Woosta | yup ;) |
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| 03:32.31 | _ds | Hmm... USB drivers built in or modules? |
| 03:32.55 | _ds | Might be able to work around the problem by unloading then reloading. |
| 03:33.00 | Woosta | lsmod|grep usb show them as modules |
| 03:33.06 | Woosta | good point |
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| 03:33.16 | littleball | hello, i have a gif file to convert to tiff file. but when i use gif2tiff, there is Segmentation fault. |
| 03:33.23 | littleball | any help |
| 03:33.24 | littleball | ? |
| 03:33.42 | _ds | convert (in imagemagick)? |
| 03:33.43 | cusco | try using the gim |
| 03:33.46 | cusco | the gimp |
| 03:33.49 | abrotman | convert |
| 03:33.55 | littleball | i use gimp to create gif file |
| 03:34.03 | cusco | you can save it as tiff |
| 03:34.33 | littleball | it seems that different software creaated gif file is not compatible. |
| 03:34.45 | littleball | cusco, i know i can save as tiff file. |
| 03:35.17 | littleball | i have a software fax, it can fax out the file created by gif2tiff, but cannot if the tiff file created by gimp |
| 03:35.27 | Woosta | OK, that hasn't changed the udevtest output at all, but from that output (http://debian.pastebin.com/737450) I'm guessing that the hoplugd rules are stoping the other ones from happening |
| 03:35.37 | Woosta | # do not call hotplug.d and dev.d for "drivers" and "module" events |
| 03:35.52 | Woosta | actually .. maybe not .. |
| 03:36.08 | abrotman | littleball: what are you playing with? |
| 03:36.15 | Woosta | that's for SUBSYSTEM=="drivers" and SUBSYSTEM=="module" |
| 03:36.23 | littleball | abrotman, asterisk+spandsp |
| 03:36.34 | littleball | fax over E1 line |
| 03:36.34 | abrotman | for faxes? |
| 03:36.37 | littleball | yes |
| 03:36.40 | abrotman | hylafax? |
| 03:37.05 | littleball | sending fax. hylafax is my next tested system. currently, i am testing asterisk+spandsp |
| 03:38.40 | littleball | abrotman, can hylafax connected to ISDN line? |
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| 03:39.06 | abrotman | i haven't seen an isdn line in .. 8 years? |
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| 03:47.02 | alekzandr | i am ssh into a debian sarge box and when i run commands line netstat the output is only 80 columns wide, how do i make the display use the available width of my screen? |
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| 03:48.26 | dabreegster | alekzandr: export COLUMNS=x maybe |
| 03:48.34 | woo | Anyone know why my system hangs when trying to install Dapper? It just stops at "Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... Done". |
| 03:49.02 | dabreegster | woo: This isn't #ubuntu |
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| 03:49.57 | alekzandr | dabreegster: that didn't work, netstat still only using 80 columns, any other ideas? |
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| 03:50.35 | dabreegster | alekzandr: There might be a ssh option, but /column on the manpage reveals nothing |
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| 03:52.13 | abrotman | COLUMNS=200 <command> |
| 03:52.57 | alekzandr | abrotman that didn;t work either, netstat still using only 80 |
| 03:53.19 | alekzandr | does netstat use more than 80 for anyone here?, perhaps this is a limitation of netstat |
| 03:53.40 | abrotman | netstat fits in the width of the terminal |
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| 03:54.51 | abrotman | alekzandr: what makes you think there is more off to the side? |
| 03:55.55 | alekzandr | there is a huge empty space on the right side of the putty window, and the display of netstat has the spaces removed, so i think it could use the extra space somehow |
| 03:56.07 | alekzandr | mc uses the entire window, but not netstat |
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| 03:56.48 | alekzandr | i have a 20" widescreen monitor, with a huge putty window, and netstat uses less than half |
| 03:56.51 | abrotman | echo $COLUMNS |
| 03:57.34 | alekzandr | abrotman: echo $COLUMNS 207 |
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| 03:57.44 | abrotman | i guess netstat just hates you |
| 03:57.57 | alekzandr | so it knows how wide my window is, just isn't using ut |
| 03:58.12 | alekzandr | apparently, at least it's mutual |
| 03:58.16 | abrotman | it might just use 80 |
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| 04:03.32 | orge | how do you find a file that is X MB size |
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| 04:04.42 | dooglus | orge: find . -size XM |
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| 04:05.38 | dooglus | orge: or "find -size +XM" or "find -size -XM" for >XM and <XM |
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| 04:06.37 | orge | and what is XM? |
| 04:07.21 | dooglus | orge: X is the same X as in your question |
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| 04:07.30 | dooglus | orge: M is the same M as in your question |
| 04:07.43 | khnh | i just installed a new driver for my wireless card but don't know how to load it |
| 04:07.55 | orge | im talkin about MB as megabytes |
| 04:08.00 | dooglus | orge: me too |
| 04:08.06 | orge | and X as like X + Y = Z |
| 04:08.10 | dooglus | right |
| 04:08.20 | dooglus | do you have a particular value for X in mind? |
| 04:08.24 | orge | yeah |
| 04:08.33 | dooglus | so substitute it into the question and the answer |
| 04:08.50 | orge | ok, let say the file is a 700MB file |
| 04:08.54 | orge | how'd you do it? |
| 04:09.01 | dooglus | that would mean X was 700 right? |
| 04:09.03 | khnh | how do you load a new installed driver |
| 04:09.04 | orge | yeah |
| 04:09.08 | dooglus | can you replace "X" with "700"? |
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| 04:09.46 | orge | a 1mb file showed up |
| 04:09.55 | zaher | hello everybody |
| 04:09.57 | dooglus | what did you run? |
| 04:09.57 | RainbowW | so i upgraded from sarge to etch, and now my install of wordpress is hosed. looks like a mysql db connection error. can somebody point me to ... something! ... that might assist with fixing this? |
| 04:10.21 | orge | find -size +700 |
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| 04:10.40 | dooglus | that's not the command I told you |
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| 04:10.58 | dooglus | I told you "find . -size XM" |
| 04:11.02 | dooglus | replace X by 700 in that command |
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| 04:11.29 | zaher | can anyone tell me how much stable is etch, i mean is it complety safe 2 upgrade from sarge 2 etch now? |
| 04:11.39 | dooglus | zaher: of course not |
| 04:11.39 | Zenethian | How do I tell debian that my PC's clock is NOT set to GMT? |
| 04:11.43 | RainbowW | zaher: if you're running wordpress, no. |
| 04:11.50 | khnh | how do you load a new installed driver |
| 04:11.58 | orge | ic |
| 04:12.23 | dooglus | Zenethian: edit "UTC=" line in /etc/default/rcS |
| 04:12.24 | hologram | khnh: modprobe |
| 04:12.27 | HeatHawk | Um, I have been using etch for a year now (same install) and I just did a fresh install, and after updates, my Reiserfs partition gets hosed |
| 04:12.34 | Zenethian | thanks. |
| 04:12.40 | HeatHawk | I have done it 5 times now, and it screws up the partiton everytime |
| 04:12.44 | orge | hey. when i do rm -rf file, it suppose to free up space right |
| 04:12.50 | orge | but how come when i did it, it didn't? |
| 04:12.58 | HeatHawk | I noticed reiserprogs is in the updates it does, perhaps there is a major bug? |
| 04:13.01 | khnh | hologram: do i need to remove the old module |
| 04:13.08 | dooglus | orge: rm only frees space once the files are no longer open |
| 04:13.14 | Vasistha | orge: there are a variety of reasons. The files may have all been hardlinked elsewhere |
| 04:13.19 | dooglus | orge: say you're playing a movie file, and delete it while it's playing |
| 04:13.34 | orge | i see |
| 04:13.39 | dooglus | orge: then the movie will continue playing, and the space will only be freed up once the movie player closes the file |
| 04:13.41 | orge | but it's not here anymore though |
| 04:14.12 | dooglus | orge: it's not listed in the directory, but there's still a link to it in /proc/<pid of player>/fd/ - the file is still open |
| 04:14.20 | orge | ic |
| 04:14.23 | HeatHawk | Anyone know what I am talking about? |
| 04:14.38 | orge | let me look at my procs real quick |
| 04:14.46 | dooglus | HeatHawk: I use reiserfs daily in unstable and haven't had a prolem |
| 04:14.50 | hologram | khnh: sure |
| 04:14.53 | dooglus | HeatHawk: or a problem |
| 04:15.05 | hologram | khnh: man rmmod, insmod, modprobe |
| 04:15.15 | zaher | i'm now using sarge with 2 dvds, my intrerests are in mplayer, gtk development and blender, is it safe 4 me 2 go etch? |
| 04:15.25 | HeatHawk | dooglus, i havent had a problem before this either, fresh etch install, does the updates and reiserfsprogs gets updated, rebooted, and half the stuff is gone |
| 04:15.59 | HeatHawk | ive tried 5 times now |
| 04:16.03 | orge | dooglus: that file was in /var/www and i rm'ed it |
| 04:16.09 | valdyn | HeatHawk: is your reiserfs on disk layout 3.5 or 3.6 ? |
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| 04:16.28 | HeatHawk | valdyn, what ever version is ont he etch beta2 install |
| 04:16.32 | dooglus | HeatHawk: whenever I mention reiserfs on IRC I get a bunch of people telling me I shouldn't use it. I don't know if this is because it's dangerous in some way, or because there's a group of people out to discredit the filesystem and it's author, but it's quite consistant |
| 04:16.32 | HeatHawk | fresh partition table |
| 04:16.52 | dooglus | orge: maybe apache has it open? |
| 04:16.57 | valdyn | HeatHawk: oh its a newly formatted partition? 3.6 then, nevermind |
| 04:17.00 | khnh | hologram: when rmmod, got message, Module orinoco is in use |
| 04:17.10 | orge | dooglus: how do i know that |
| 04:17.11 | dooglus | orge: the space will be freed up as soon as everything has finished using it |
| 04:17.17 | dooglus | orge: I don't know |
| 04:17.20 | HeatHawk | dooglus, oh i love it, but this is a serious issue I have, I cant get my system up and stable |
| 04:17.36 | streuner | !start a FS war |
| 04:17.36 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 04:17.49 | orge | dooglus: i know noone is downloading it |
| 04:18.05 | valdyn | HeatHawk: i do doubt this errors has much to do with reiserfs itself.. cant you get more info? |
| 04:18.13 | dooglus | orge: "lsof" might list it |
| 04:18.24 | orge | lol |
| 04:18.29 | orge | flooded the hell out of me |
| 04:18.48 | valdyn | HeatHawk: and... why do you use a beta installer instead of a sarge installer? |
| 04:19.13 | orge | you think restarting apache will help? |
| 04:19.13 | HeatHawk | valdyn, I cant diagnose it, I do a fresh install, do the updates, reboot, and the root fs is hosed, most of the stuff is missing, I notice in the update tho that reiserprogs gets updated, im suspecting a bug in it |
| 04:19.36 | HeatHawk | valdyn, I had issues with sarge with stuff I was doing a year ago, so I moved to etch, and I was damn happy |
| 04:19.43 | orge | nope |
| 04:19.44 | valdyn | HeatHawk: reiserfsprogs doesnt do a thing if its not run manually |
| 04:19.44 | hologram | khnh: bring down your ethernet card |
| 04:19.48 | HeatHawk | till I did a fresh install the otherday and ran into this |
| 04:20.02 | hologram | khnh: ifconfig down (interface name) |
| 04:20.14 | khnh | hologram: i did that too |
| 04:20.16 | hologram | khnh: rmmod modulename ; modprobe newmodulename |
| 04:20.27 | HeatHawk | valdyn, well filesystems dont just delete half your stuff on reboot after updating (rebooting before updates wasnt a problem) |
| 04:20.32 | hologram | khnh: lsmod | grep -i modulename |
| 04:21.04 | hologram | that will show what is using the module |
| 04:21.16 | valdyn | HeatHawk: yes, correct, but still, nothing in reiserfsprogs is run in the process of upgradeding reiserfsprogs.. |
| 04:21.16 | zaher | i ran into trouble in using wvdial in sarge, can anyone help? |
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| 04:21.56 | streuner | zaher: no |
| 04:22.01 | dabreegster | zaher: What's the problem? Be specific. |
| 04:22.02 | streuner | you should ask first |
| 04:22.14 | streuner | !ask |
| 04:22.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:22.23 | RainbowW | what logs can i use to try and diagnose a problem with apache2/php not properly connecting to mysql5? |
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| 04:22.44 | HeatHawk | valdyn, *sigh, I am at a loss |
| 04:22.48 | dabreegster | RainbowW: /var/log/apache/error* I guess |
| 04:22.56 | valdyn | HeatHawk: how exactly do you notifce that the fs is broken? have you used a rescue system, like knoppix? |
| 04:22.59 | HeatHawk | did sarge make the move to xorg and stuff yet? |
| 04:23.09 | valdyn | HeatHawk: no, it wont ever |
| 04:23.09 | HeatHawk | ya, i used a suse disk, mounted the disk |
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| 04:23.17 | zaher | when i run wvdial in my shell, everything executes well, but when i enter any address in my browser i cant visit any pages |
| 04:23.19 | HeatHawk | I didnt think it would |
| 04:23.20 | streuner | HeatHawk: xorg is available for sarge/stable |
| 04:23.22 | RainbowW | dabreegster: not giving me anything useful. wordpress and phpmyadmin are jacked, and i can't figure out why. even google is not helpful. |
| 04:23.30 | HeatHawk | streuner, but not in the main tree. |
| 04:23.34 | |ryan| | Hi, I'm trying to change received_header_text from the default in exim 4.50 on debian sarge, but does not seem to have any effect. I have re-generated the config with debian's update-exim.conf, and restarted exim to no avail. |
| 04:24.04 | dabreegster | zaher: Some of the last lines in your wvdial output. Do they mention DNS numbers? Can you ping google.com? And you ping an IP address? |
| 04:24.07 | valdyn | HeatHawk: my thinkpad runs reiserfs and etch btw, so that error cant be that generic |
| 04:24.21 | zaher | nope |
| 04:24.25 | HeatHawk | are you all up to date valdyn ? |
| 04:24.32 | dabreegster | zaher: Or if you've previously had it hooked up to ethernet, you probably need to poke around with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:24.33 | valdyn | HeatHawk: yes |
| 04:24.51 | streuner | zaher: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:24.57 | dabreegster | zaher: No DNS numbers? That's probably it. First see if you can ping an IP address. Try 'ping 216.239.57.99' on the console |
| 04:25.03 | HeatHawk | could be a problem with this new etch installer, i should try one of the daily build versions |
| 04:25.08 | valdyn | HeatHawk: what are you seeing on that disk from that suse system? |
| 04:25.29 | zaher | i'm using the same configuration in /etc/wvdial.conf just like i used in my fedora core 4 |
| 04:25.31 | valdyn | HeatHawk: yea, that installer is regularily broken, i wouldnt use it at all, upgrading sarge to etch is probably safer |
| 04:25.42 | HeatHawk | ok |
| 04:25.43 | HeatHawk | i gotta go |
| 04:25.44 | HeatHawk | later |
| 04:25.46 | HeatHawk | thanks btw. |
| 04:25.57 | zaher | the config worked perfectly in fedora |
| 04:26.06 | dabreegster | zaher: Can you ping that server and/or connect? It might just be a DNS thing. |
| 04:27.08 | zaher | the only thing i can ping is my local ip adress and nothing more |
| 04:27.44 | zaher | the /etc/resolv.conf is also up-2-date |
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| 04:28.02 | valdyn | zaher: what's the output of 'route' |
| 04:28.07 | dabreegster | zaher: Check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:28.10 | valdyn | zaher: or 'route -n' |
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| 04:28.49 | zaher | nothing |
| 04:29.06 | valdyn | zaher: nothing at all? |
| 04:29.27 | zaher | Kernel IP routing table |
| 04:29.28 | zaher | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 04:29.30 | dabreegster | zaher: In /etc/network/interfaces, you should have a line similar to 'iface ppp0 inet ppp'. Anything with eth or dhcp comment out. |
| 04:29.31 | zaher | only this |
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| 04:29.55 | valdyn | zaher: ok, wvdial isnt setting up your ppp0 interfaces IP or route |
| 04:30.05 | streuner | zaher: how do you think should the app know how they sent the packages then? |
| 04:30.10 | valdyn | zaher: im not familiar with this tool unfortunately, but that is one error |
| 04:30.33 | valdyn | zaher: run 'ifconfig ppp0' |
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| 04:30.48 | dabreegster | zaher: I had this same problem basically, check /etc/network/interfaces. If you installed the system over ethernet, left over config will mess you up. |
| 04:31.16 | streuner | zaher: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:31.23 | zaher | no i installed the system via 2 dvds of sarge |
| 04:31.51 | zaher | and i dont have any ethernet cards installed right now |
| 04:31.55 | dabreegster | zaher: OK. Well, either way, you probably don't have the right line in that file. Seriously, check it, it'll probably be the source of the problem. |
| 04:32.18 | valdyn | dabreegster: shouldnt wvdial work without anything in that file? |
| 04:32.21 | streuner | zaher: you don't need a NIC to run wvdial |
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| 04:33.02 | dabreegster | valdyn: Dunno. Whenever I first installed Debian and was a newbie, wvdial connected, but nothing worked. This was because I didn't have a line in interfaces for the ppp iface. |
| 04:33.18 | valdyn | dabreegster: i see |
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| 04:33.23 | valdyn | dabreegster: give him that line ) |
| 04:34.10 | dabreegster | zaher: See what's in /etc/network/interfaces. You should have two lines about loopback. COmment out anything about eth or dhcp. Add 'iface ppp0 inet ppp' on a line by itself, no quotes. |
| 04:34.11 | streuner | zaher: can you answer my question? |
| 04:34.33 | zaher | now, let me tell you an interesting thing, i was using kernel 2.4.27-2-368 whlile i was having the problem, but when i updated the kernel to 2.6.8-2-k7 (my cpu is sempron 2400+), the problem just vanished and wvdial worked fine! |
| 04:34.49 | streuner | wth are you talking about, YOU DON'T NEED to EDIT ANYTHING in INTERFACES |
| 04:35.00 | dabreegster | streuner: Just speaking from experience. Sorry. |
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| 04:37.53 | streuner | zaher: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:38.06 | zaher | 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' says ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 04:38.29 | streuner | zaher: what kernel do you use (cat /proc/version)? |
| 04:38.50 | zaher | Linux version 2.6.8-2-k7 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 |
| 04:39.54 | streuner | zaher: ok, rm the configs of FC4 and run 'wvdialconf' |
| 04:40.53 | streuner | zaher: do you have only the sources.lines of sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:41.11 | streuner | zaher: wvdial in sarge/stable is pretty painless |
| 04:41.45 | zaher | ya i know, one it runs pretty fine in my friend's p3 |
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| 04:42.20 | streuner | zaher: what kernel run your friend? |
| 04:42.27 | zaher | /etc/network of mine is as follows # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system |
| 04:42.29 | zaher | # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). |
| 04:42.29 | zaher | # The loopback network interface |
| 04:42.29 | zaher | auto lo |
| 04:42.29 | zaher | iface lo inet loopback |
| 04:42.29 | zaher | iface dsl-provider inet ppp |
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| 04:43.24 | WingZero | hi all |
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| 04:44.04 | WingZero | i have a problem with ftp |
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| 04:45.38 | zaher | who kicked me out? |
| 04:45.44 | streuner | debhelper |
| 04:46.00 | streuner | zaher: a bot which take care that people don't flood |
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| 04:46.19 | streuner | zaher: don't paste more than 2 lines here |
| 04:46.22 | Master_Medic | hello |
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| 04:46.36 | Master_Medic | i was wondering whats the first command i should run after changing the lines in sources.list to unstable |
| 04:46.43 | Master_Medic | i just changed from stable to unstable |
| 04:46.53 | Master_Medic | what do i need to run to update hte system |
| 04:46.58 | zaher | my friend also uses 2.4.27-2-386, the default in sarge |
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| 04:47.54 | streuner | zaher: ok, try this first, run 'ifdown -a' and 'wvdialconf', tell us what you get with 'route -n' then. |
| 04:48.38 | linux2 | anyone know how to get supermount to work on debian |
| 04:48.38 | linux2 | ? |
| 04:48.46 | sortadi | hi |
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| 04:49.43 | littleball | hello, anytool to convert pdf to tiff? |
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| 04:50.37 | dabreegster | Master_Medic: apt-get update |
| 04:50.38 | zaher | 'ifdown -a' says nothing |
| 04:50.57 | Master_Medic | dabreegster isnt there also something like aptitude dist-update? |
| 04:51.00 | Master_Medic | or dist-upgrade? |
| 04:51.01 | ttyfscker | swicegood you in here? |
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| 04:51.15 | streuner | littelball: try gimp |
| 04:51.28 | dabreegster | Master_Medic: You can run that after. Read about it first. But you have to update first. |
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| 04:52.01 | streuner | zaher: that's ok. |
| 04:52.07 | littleball | streuner, the tiff generated by tiff doesn't work for my fax machine system |
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| 04:53.08 | linux2 | supermount... debian? |
| 04:54.04 | Master_Medic | dabreegster, i get an error on aptitude update, like no such file or directory |
| 04:54.12 | Master_Medic | then it says update the package lists to correct these missing files |
| 04:54.42 | dabreegster | Master_Medic: Do you have a correct /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 04:54.59 | Master_Medic | here are th econtents: |
| 04:55.05 | zaher | there is no problem in wvdialconf either |
| 04:55.10 | Master_Medic | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 04:55.20 | Master_Medic | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main |
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| 04:55.37 | Master_Medic | deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 04:55.52 | Master_Medic | #deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 04:55.57 | dabreegster | Master_Medic: Which file did it say is missing? A package/index file on mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 04:56.15 | dabreegster | Master_Medic: Don't paste in the channel, by the way |
| 04:56.35 | Master_Medic | oh sorry |
| 04:56.42 | Master_Medic | actually i ran it 3 more times and the errors stopped |
| 04:57.05 | ice_1963 | w:GPG |
| 04:57.09 | Master_Medic | so now i'm running dist-upgrade |
| 04:57.14 | zaher | how can i find the fastest debian mirror 4 myself? netselect-apt seems 2 have some problem. |
| 04:57.22 | tuv | what's with the "Unknown error executing gpgv" for http://security.debian.org etch/updates? |
| 04:57.30 | streuner_ | zaher: apt-spy |
| 04:57.51 | streuner_ | tuv: its a server-thingie, we are working on this problem... |
| 04:58.12 | tuv | streuner, ok.. will wait then.. thanks |
| 04:58.15 | streuner_ | tuv: if you want read more about, just read debian-security ML |
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| 04:58.23 | ice_1963 | i get that error to gpgv :( |
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| 04:59.05 | concept10 | I want to setup a virtual machine, What has the easiest install on Sarge, Xen or UML? |
| 05:00.03 | ice_1963 | i guess no one knows |
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| 05:00.30 | concept10 | thats okay, i just found a tutorial to run with |
| 05:01.02 | streuner_ | ice_1963: a know issue, just have some patience. |
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| 05:01.43 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 05:02.39 | tuv | concept10, did you look at qemu? |
| 05:03.10 | concept10 | qemu over xen? |
| 05:03.25 | tuv | concept10, no.. qemu alone |
| 05:03.44 | zaher | streuner_: how can a kernel update affect wvdial? |
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| 05:04.07 | concept10 | tuv, No I meant is qemu better than Xen? |
| 05:04.13 | tuv | concept10, it's an application that doesn't have to modify the kernel.. somewhat like vmware if you're familiar with that |
| 05:04.28 | tuv | concept10, easier maybe, but i think it'd be slower |
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| 05:04.48 | concept10 | tuv, I will try it |
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| 05:05.22 | cafuego | concept10: Honestly, vmware is prolly easiest to set up if you're not worried about it being non-free (speech) |
| 05:06.31 | tuv | cafuego, qemu is very similar to vmware in terms of ease.. and is a little lighter on the system load. besides it doesn't make as many modifications to the system as vmware does, e.g. no boot-time services |
| 05:06.55 | cafuego | tuv: It prolly uses the tun/tap interface right? |
| 05:07.07 | tuv | cafuego, optionally yes |
| 05:07.08 | concept10 | cafuego, I have vmware on this box, but I have a remote box that I want to setup and evaluate some different configs (i.e. freebsd) without having to clean the system and starty over |
| 05:07.40 | cafuego | concept10: I run vmware server on a remote sarge box |
| 05:08.04 | cafuego | The host gets a bit of a hit when the guest OSes boot though. |
| 05:08.07 | concept10 | cafuego, is that free as in beer? |
| 05:08.13 | cafuego | concept10: yah |
| 05:08.32 | tuv | cafuego, you probably should consider xen.. there are debian kernels with xen support now.. not yet for sarge i guess, though |
| 05:08.52 | cafuego | tuv: Problem with Xen is that afaik it doesn't run Windows. |
| 05:09.37 | cafuego | which, though shit, I need (hence the vm to begin with ;-) |
| 05:09.38 | tuv | cafuego, ya.. i think it boots multiple instances of the same kernel |
| 05:10.13 | concept10 | tuv, cafuego - so help me out .. I know that Qemu, Xen, VMWare, and User Mode may take different approaches. which one should I start with? Im leaning towards xen |
| 05:10.45 | tuv | concept10, xen and uml are very different than vmware and qemu |
| 05:10.54 | cafuego | concept10: xen is the hardest to set up I think, but probably gives you the best performance. As I understand it, you can *only* run Linux in xen. |
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| 05:11.13 | zephyrus | configure:1794: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details. |
| 05:11.20 | zephyrus | i keep getting that when i try compiling anything |
| 05:11.22 | tuv | concept10, they have a lot to do with the kernel and will, as far as i know, boot the same kernel for all vms.. this is not the case in vmware and qemu |
| 05:12.03 | concept10 | plus I need to consider performance, this box is only a dual piii 533 |
| 05:12.48 | tuv | concept10, i don't think you will gain anything from using vmware or qemu if you are aiming at xen |
| 05:12.48 | wols_ | zephyrus: have you installed build-essential? |
| 05:12.51 | zephyrus | nvm |
| 05:12.53 | zephyrus | i need libc-dev |
| 05:13.14 | cafuego | libc6-dev |
| 05:13.17 | tuv | concept10, and if you have a prebuilt kernel with xen support, then the hard part of setting xen up is over |
| 05:13.39 | concept10 | tuv, okay |
| 05:13.40 | wols_ | what's hard about a xen supporting kernel? the patching? |
| 05:13.44 | zephyrus | no, wols_ i was going too if i couldn't figure it out |
| 05:13.55 | cafuego | concept10: If you want to try freebsd though, you need qemu or vmware |
| 05:13.56 | zephyrus | but i only have 2gb of hdd space, so i was trying not too ;) |
| 05:14.01 | wols_ | you should do that before you try to compile anything :) |
| 05:14.14 | concept10 | tuv, this guy has a couple of writeups |
| 05:14.16 | stew | cafuego: you say that as if you are sure zephyrus is not still on slink |
| 05:14.21 | wols_ | not as if you could avoid anything of it :) |
| 05:14.52 | tuv | concept10, what guy? |
| 05:14.57 | cafuego | stew: People on slink out to know how to get the libc headers ;-) |
| 05:15.03 | cafuego | s/out/ought/ |
| 05:15.10 | concept10 | tuv, http://www.howtoforge.com/taxonomy_menu/1/43 (forgot to paste) |
| 05:15.20 | tuv | ah |
| 05:15.39 | cafuego | concept10: btw, cpu speed is not as much a consideration as free ram |
| 05:16.00 | tuv | definitely |
| 05:16.28 | cafuego | my vmware box has 1.5GB, so no swapping involved. |
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| 05:16.41 | concept10 | I think it has 768, but i have a couple sticks laying around, i could take it up to 1.5 |
| 05:17.31 | concept10 | may be a dumb question, but could you run qemu on a xen kernel? |
| 05:17.41 | stew | cafuego: there was actually someone on oftc a couple of weeks ago that started on hamm and somehow made his way from hamm->slink->potato->woody before he got irreprarably caught halfway between woody and sarge |
| 05:17.42 | cafuego | For any decent useability, probably 64M for the emu, then a minimum of 128mb per vm. |
| 05:17.57 | Gokee2 | What pkg do I need to install to make java work in firefox? I just installed odbcinst1debian1 sun-java5-bin sun-java5-jre unixodbc and it still does not work. |
| 05:17.58 | cafuego | stew: Tssk. |
| 05:18.11 | cafuego | stew: That said, my slackware 3.0 box is still going strong. |
| 05:18.55 | stew | cafuego: he ended up halfway between woody and sarge before he tried upgrading from his 2.0 kenrnel which held back libc which was more than he could handle... |
| 05:19.17 | streuner_ | Gokee2: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:19.23 | cafuego | Yes, he should have gone to a 2.2 kernel first, I think. |
| 05:19.38 | cafuego | then to 2.4 after having all of woody |
| 05:19.40 | Gokee2 | streuner_, "ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 05:19.44 | cafuego | and then to sarge |
| 05:20.17 | streuner_ | Gokee2: is that etch? |
| 05:20.20 | dn4 | does anyone know how ot executre source code to see what eachc ommands does? |
| 05:20.28 | stew | cafuego: oooh i'm lioking up slackware 3, thats vintage! |
| 05:20.47 | cafuego | stew: Installed in 1996. |
| 05:20.58 | Gokee2 | streuner_, I think so |
| 05:21.21 | streuner_ | Gokee2: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in paster bot |
| 05:21.25 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 05:21.25 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:21.52 | cafuego | Linux monolith 2.0.40 #79 Fri Mar 5 01:23:52 CET 2004 i586 |
| 05:22.02 | cafuego | The kernel is getting a wee bit long in the tooth ;-) |
| 05:22.18 | streuner | Gokee2: /msg dpkg install java |
| 05:23.03 | peterS | cafuego: yeah but 2.0.41 isn't out yet |
| 05:23.08 | Gokee2 | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/8390 I will look at the bot |
| 05:23.52 | peterS | cafuego: though when I talked with david weinehall at debconf6 he indicated that he does still maintain 2.0.... |
| 05:24.05 | cafuego | peterS: <heh> I wive in hope... |
| 05:24.24 | streuner | Gokee2: if you run knoppix, /j #knoppix |
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| 05:24.39 | Gokee2 | streuner, No knoppix |
| 05:24.45 | streuner | !cinelerra |
| 05:24.46 | dpkg | well, cinelerra is http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html |
| 05:25.09 | Gokee2 | streuner, Might be a old souces list from when I ran knoppix |
| 05:25.23 | zephyrus | anyone have any nice firewall scripts for blocking syn and icmp floods? |
| 05:25.56 | streuner | uhm, using other sources.list lines aren't that clever |
| 05:26.35 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 05:26.36 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 05:26.54 | Gokee2 | streuner, What lines should I get rid of or add? |
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| 05:27.21 | lakez | anyone know what this is about: |
| 05:27.23 | lakez | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 05:27.23 | lakez | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 05:27.30 | lakez | it just started tonight |
| 05:28.00 | lightdifference | hi, I'm trying desperately to get my VPS synced properly to PDT, and it refuses whole heartedly, just sticking to it's old time. |
| 05:28.32 | streuner | Gokee2: use only official mirrors and don't mix different branch of debian |
| 05:28.33 | lightdifference | I'm not sure how to fix this or what caused it, because I synced it in the first place and it was all working. |
| 05:28.43 | streuner | s/branch/branches/ |
| 05:29.45 | Gokee2 | hmmm |
| 05:29.51 | Gokee2 | ok |
| 05:29.51 | streuner | Gokee2: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 |
| 05:29.52 | peterS | lightdifference: I'm guessing the actual system clock of a VPS is tied to the clock of the host machine. depends on your virtualisation method though |
| 05:30.07 | lightdifference | peterS: I'm not sure. |
| 05:30.15 | lightdifference | like I said, it worked before. |
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| 05:30.27 | lightdifference | it's set to PDT, but the time is quite wrong. |
| 05:30.40 | stew | lakez: /mag dpkg testing security key |
| 05:30.44 | lightdifference | heck, I even synced it to pool.ntp.org and it's wrong. |
| 05:30.56 | peterS | your timezone offset you can control, with the 'tzconfig' script, or just by setting your own TZ environment variable for your user shell or whatever |
| 05:31.30 | stew | lakez: err, /msg not /mag (of course) |
| 05:31.39 | Gokee2 | streuner, 500 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages 500 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages 500 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 05:31.40 | peterS | I don't know how virtualised system clocks work, but I'm betting they don't work well (if it's even attempted) and I'm sure they don't persist past a reboot |
| 05:32.45 | lightdifference | what's the difference beetween local and universal? |
| 05:32.46 | dn4 | : Entering directory `/cvs/zynaddsubfx/src/UI' |
| 05:32.47 | dn4 | fluid -c WidgetPDial.fl |
| 05:32.47 | dn4 | make[1]: fluid: Command not found |
| 05:32.48 | dn4 | any idea? |
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| 05:32.55 | dn4 | whoops |
| 05:33.07 | dn4 | one line to many |
| 05:33.39 | streuner | !b-e dn4 |
| 05:33.39 | dpkg | dn4: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 05:36.07 | lightdifference | heh. now it's 15 minutes off. |
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| 05:39.31 | zephyrus | er, fuck i parted without getting to read by accident. did any of you guys have any nice icmp/syn blocking ipfw scripts? |
| 05:40.06 | lightdifference | no one answered. |
| 05:40.27 | zephyrus | oh okay |
| 05:40.31 | zephyrus | thanks =] |
| 05:40.43 | streuner | stew: nice :-) |
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| 05:44.35 | lightdifference | I just fixed it by removing rdate and installing ntpdate. |
| 05:44.39 | lightdifference | rdate was hanging. |
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| 05:45.15 | Master_Medic | hello |
| 05:45.38 | Master_Medic | i just upgraded to the unstable version, i'm wondering what the package name is for the x-server with this version of debian |
| 05:46.18 | streuner | Master_Medic: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:46.33 | Master_Medic | :/ |
| 05:46.43 | Master_Medic | this isnt the debian box that i'm on righ tnow |
| 05:46.53 | Master_Medic | its a notebook |
| 05:47.11 | concept10 | cafuego, tuv : thanks for the answers earlier |
| 05:47.20 | streuner | !tell Master_Medic about sid faq |
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| 05:48.10 | denmaeth | i need a program to convert avi to mpeg of vcd - anyknow of a good one? |
| 05:48.48 | dabreegster | denmaeth: There are tons of scripts to do this. apt-cache search vcd or look on freshmeat/sourceforge. All will use mencoder/ffmpeg/transcode underneath |
| 05:49.22 | denmaeth | dabreegster, ok thanks |
| 05:50.13 | Master_Medic | ugh |
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| 05:58.29 | roxy_ | Hi, using knode , how can I have the article view and group view in the same window ? |
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| 06:00.30 | zaher | anyone successfull in installing ati driver in sarge? |
| 06:01.21 | wols_ | ask your real question |
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| 06:02.25 | wols_ | !tell zaher about ati |
| 06:02.56 | Master_Medic | i couldnt find anything on that page |
| 06:03.01 | Master_Medic | does anyone know the x server package for sid? |
| 06:03.15 | Master_Medic | i know of xserver-xorg and xorg, but i dont know which to install |
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| 06:04.06 | wols_ | do you know how sarge worked wrt to X? |
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| 06:06.02 | evilgeek | hrm |
| 06:06.05 | Master_Medic | wols_ yeah |
| 06:06.12 | evilgeek | what's the non-hacked way to install nvidia's glx? |
| 06:06.12 | Master_Medic | aptitude install x-window-server-core |
| 06:06.18 | evilgeek | like, is dpkg-divert really necessary? |
| 06:06.21 | Master_Medic | but there is no x-window-server-core for sid |
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| 06:06.53 | wols_ | Master_Medic: what was the xserver package for sarge? |
| 06:07.08 | Master_Medic | x-window-server-core |
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| 06:07.14 | wols_ | !tell evilgeek about nvidia |
| 06:07.51 | Master_Medic | wols_? |
| 06:08.13 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:08.13 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 06:09.00 | wols | Master_Medic: what was the xserver package for sarge? |
| 06:09.05 | wols | the package name |
| 06:09.25 | valdyn | Master_Medic: aptitude install xorg |
| 06:09.30 | evilgeek | wols: that's not actually what i was looking for. the debian nvidia packages carry exactly one version of the drivers, and that version happens not to work correctly. |
| 06:10.14 | Master_Medic | wols the package name was x-window-server-core |
| 06:10.30 | wols | Master_Medic: try again. the package name of the X server |
| 06:10.34 | Master_Medic | xserver? |
| 06:10.35 | Master_Medic | lol |
| 06:10.51 | evilgeek | wols: for this reason, i would prefer to deal with nvidia things myself. |
| 06:10.59 | wols | valdyn: you spoil all the fun! |
| 06:11.10 | Master_Medic | hahah |
| 06:11.18 | Master_Medic | so alli need is aptitude install xorg right? |
| 06:11.26 | valdyn | evilgeek: use dpkg-divert then, its good, its what the debian packages do too |
| 06:11.26 | wols | now he never learns any reading comprehension skills |
| 06:11.27 | Master_Medic | then i can install xfce4 and do 'startxfce4' |
| 06:11.44 | Master_Medic | i got a 1000 on the sat i doubt they would increase any :P |
| 06:12.13 | Master_Medic | hey valdyn, and wols, should i use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 06:12.15 | evilgeek | valdyn: right, but where are the Xorg modules? |
| 06:12.16 | wols | since you're obviously not capable of reading simple package descriptions, something must be wrong. maybe the SAT didn't work in your case? |
| 06:12.30 | evilgeek | shrug. |
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| 06:16.52 | zaher | how can i install ati driver? i downloaded 'fglrx_6_8_0-8.24.8-1.i386.rpm' from ati website |
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| 06:17.10 | wols | !tell zaher about ati |
| 06:17.36 | wols | your download was wrong btw |
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| 06:18.42 | zaher | the one i downloaded is in rpm format, not *.run |
| 06:19.18 | flyingfox | hi, am using both debian n freebsd. My freebsd can't seem to download my gmail mails using pop settings from thunderbird n evolution but however my work email is good on freebsd. any advice thks |
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| 06:19.32 | wols | zaher: and that is what's wrong |
| 06:19.53 | wols | flyingfox: #freebsd ? |
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| 06:20.15 | flyingfox | wols> done that but nobody seems to be replying in #freebsdhelp |
| 06:21.14 | zaher | where can i get the required installer? |
| 06:21.18 | wols | maybe, but we're not #freebsdhelp either and don't know anything about freebsd in the first place |
| 06:21.23 | wols | at ati.com, where else? |
| 06:21.24 | flyingfox | Freebsd running on gnome 2.12 and the settings for thunderbird pop mail for gmail is the same under debian n freebsd and windows |
| 06:21.59 | flyingfox | will get time out message |
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| 06:27.07 | michealp | Does anyone have an idea when the next major release (4.0) of Debian will occur? |
| 06:27.38 | Master_Medic | hello |
| 06:27.42 | Master_Medic | i have a problem with my keyboard |
| 06:27.50 | wols | it's scheduled for the end of yet, december I think. Dunno if it will be 4.0 and dunno if they can make that date |
| 06:27.50 | Master_Medic | when i installed debian my wireless keyboard was working |
| 06:27.54 | wols | but that's the schedule |
| 06:28.00 | Master_Medic | now that i installed xorg it doesnt work anymore |
| 06:28.03 | kristalino | where can i buy ipv6 addresses |
| 06:28.08 | Master_Medic | i get a few errors when booting up as well |
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| 06:28.21 | zaher | where can i get the requred debian installer for ati driver? |
| 06:28.22 | wols | kristalino: where you can buy all IPs: IANA |
| 06:28.24 | Master_Medic | it worked immedately after i installed it but after a reboot it stopped working |
| 06:28.30 | Kevin` | ipv6 addresses should be fre |
| 06:28.32 | wols | well, not exactly buy, but closest to that |
| 06:28.34 | Kevin` | free* |
| 06:28.41 | michealp | wols: do you know what 4.0 might contain? Meaning, kernel 2.6? etc... |
| 06:29.03 | Kevin` | it's not like your ever going be able to requst, singly, any significant number of them |
| 06:29.07 | Master_Medic | it says something aobut udev needs a kernel higher than something |
| 06:29.10 | Master_Medic | and othe rerrors |
| 06:29.13 | wols | no. but look in testing. what's in there will be in it. |
| 06:29.29 | michealp | wols: thanks |
| 06:29.42 | wols | Master_Medic: you use a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:29.55 | Master_Medic | no i use the default form the netinstall |
| 06:30.09 | Master_Medic | it says udev needs highest than 2.6.8 i think |
| 06:30.14 | Master_Medic | i use 2.4.27 |
| 06:30.34 | wols | then either install 2.6.8 now or reinstall or whatever, this time with 2.6 |
| 06:30.45 | wols | linux26 when booting the netinstall cd |
| 06:30.54 | Master_Medic | how do i install 2.6 |
| 06:31.17 | Kevin` | apt-get install <package name for a 2.6 kernel> |
| 06:31.31 | Kevin` | or get it from kernel.org, as usual |
| 06:32.31 | Master_Medic | is it a pakage on the unstable/allpackages list? |
| 06:32.51 | wols | !tell Master_Medic about grounding |
| 06:33.18 | wols | you really shouldn't run sid Master_Medic |
| 06:34.05 | Kevin` | dpkg tell me about grounding |
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| 06:34.12 | Kevin` | hm, why didn't it work in pm.. |
| 06:34.52 | Kevin` | I mean, I tried before that, in pm |
| 06:34.54 | Kevin` | but, no matter |
| 06:34.57 | Kevin` | I sleep now |
| 06:36.24 | raf256 | stew: got that nvidia working? |
| 06:36.29 | Master_Medic | ugh |
| 06:37.06 | raf256 | how can I reopen a bug that was marked "done", like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362868 |
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| 06:37.46 | Master_Medic | okay in aptitude i found a package called kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:37.50 | Master_Medic | is that what i want? |
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| 06:39.52 | wols | raf256: mention the old bug # in your new bugreport |
| 06:40.02 | raf256 | wols: ok |
| 06:40.21 | raf256 | Master_Medic: probably yes, also install kernel headers |
| 06:41.18 | concept10 | im trying to resize a partition, how do i tell where a partition starts at? |
| 06:41.19 | Master_Medic | there are no kernel-headers for 2.6 |
| 06:41.47 | Kevin` | concept10 the mbr (and extended table, if used), will tell you |
| 06:42.07 | Kevin` | normally programs do this automatically |
| 06:42.16 | concept10 | Kevin`, what cmd is that? |
| 06:42.22 | Kevin` | to do what? |
| 06:42.58 | wols | concept10: you want parted or gparted |
| 06:43.07 | concept10 | nevermind, i just found out in parted |
| 06:43.17 | Kevin` | to do literally what you wanted, probably something like |
| 06:43.22 | Kevin` | fdisk -sl |
| 06:43.23 | concept10 | print /dev/sda |
| 06:43.48 | Master_Medic | raf256, how do i get kernel headers if they arent in aptitude? |
| 06:44.29 | Kevin` | *ul |
| 06:44.40 | wols | raf256: I don't see your bugreport closed. why do you think it is? |
| 06:45.32 | raf256 | wols: that report is not closed? the 362868 |
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| 06:46.02 | wols | I don't see anything about it being closed, so how do you? |
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| 06:48.03 | concept10 | does a file system have to be unmounted in order to resize it? |
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| 06:48.22 | wols | of course |
| 06:48.28 | Kevin` | usually |
| 06:48.29 | Kevin` | :) |
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| 06:49.01 | Kevin` | if your not on a production computer, there's no reason not to unmount it, anyway |
| 06:49.13 | Kevin` | (some filesystems CAN be extended while in use) |
| 06:49.29 | concept10 | Error: File system was not cleanly unmounted! You should run e2fsck. Modifyingan unclean file system could cause severe corruption. |
| 06:49.31 | wols | yes, but would you do that without serious need? |
| 06:49.35 | concept10 | I got that error |
| 06:49.41 | Kevin` | wols of course not |
| 06:49.45 | Kevin` | concept10 run fsck |
| 06:49.59 | Kevin` | (as it suggests) |
| 06:50.11 | Kevin` | I hope the filesystem is unmounted.. |
| 06:51.53 | Kevin` | sigh |
| 06:52.02 | Kevin` | are you doing this JUST to cause damage? |
| 06:52.15 | concept10 | no |
| 06:52.25 | Kevin` | why else? :) |
| 06:52.29 | concept10 | im simply trying to resize a partition |
| 06:52.39 | concept10 | got this error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sda1p1 |
| 06:52.39 | Kevin` | well, good luck with that |
| 06:52.42 | wols | Kevin`: to make us feel like Sunday |
| 06:52.44 | Kevin` | you really should have unmounted it |
| 06:53.03 | Kevin` | concept10 that might not be much of a problem |
| 06:53.14 | Kevin` | might have to reboot for changes to be fully effective |
| 06:53.22 | concept10 | just did |
| 06:53.26 | wols | compared to the other problems he will soon have it won't be a problem at all |
| 06:53.28 | Kevin` | sda1p1? |
| 06:53.30 | Kevin` | odd |
| 06:53.37 | apotheon | Am I and someone else I know the only people that have been having gpg key issues with Debian archives lately? |
| 06:53.46 | Kevin` | apotheon no |
| 06:53.54 | concept10 | Kevin`, maybe p1 == partition 1 |
| 06:54.02 | Kevin` | partition one of partition one? |
| 06:54.14 | concept10 | i guess |
| 06:54.16 | wols | concept10: you using LVM or such funkiness? |
| 06:54.29 | concept10 | i didnt make parteds 'elegant' UI |
| 06:54.43 | concept10 | wols, no lvm |
| 06:54.45 | wols | concept10: are you using kanotix? |
| 06:54.48 | Kevin` | I want to go to sleep but I also want to see how broken your pc is |
| 06:55.01 | concept10 | wols, kawhoo? |
| 06:55.06 | apotheon | Kevin`: Is there a simple way to fix this? I've tried updating debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring, and it didn't fix much. |
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| 06:55.33 | wols | apotheon: is it that gpgv error? |
| 06:55.34 | Kevin` | apotheon not that i've seen.. me and several other people have had this problem too |
| 06:55.38 | apotheon | wols: Yeah. |
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| 06:55.47 | apotheon | Well, at least I'm not alone. |
| 06:56.01 | concept10 | wols, no - this is sarge |
| 06:56.01 | wols | !gpgv error |
| 06:56.15 | wols | !etch gpgv error |
| 06:56.15 | dpkg | touch the file /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg and it shouldn't whine anymore, or note this might not work for everyone :/ |
| 06:56.24 | streuner | !testing security key |
| 06:56.25 | dpkg | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 06:56.37 | concept10 | reboot, done - no problems |
| 06:56.45 | Kevin` | concept10 run fsck |
| 06:56.52 | streuner | !factinfo gpgv error |
| 06:56.52 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as gpgv error, streuner |
| 06:56.59 | streuner | !factinfo etch gpgv error |
| 06:56.59 | roxy_ | streuner: this solution doesn't work for the gpgv erro afaik |
| 06:56.59 | dpkg | etch gpgv error -- last modified 8h 56m 3s ago by simonrvn!i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn; it has been requested 2 times, last by wols, 45s ago. |
| 06:57.15 | streuner | roxy_: testing security error? |
| 06:57.17 | zaher | where can i get the requred debian installer for ati driver? please help me abybody! i'm talking about the *.run not the rpm |
| 06:57.41 | concept10 | Kevin`, /: clean, 46773/535392 files, 244245/1069336 blocks |
| 06:57.41 | roxy_ | streuner: yes, there is a mail about in the security mailing list |
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| 06:57.42 | Kevin` | did it actually do the check, concept10 ? |
| 06:57.48 | Kevin` | or just assume it was clean |
| 06:57.58 | streuner | roxy_: hm, i think i told you yesterday about :-) |
| 06:58.23 | concept10 | Kevin`, yeah, it said recovering journal and a couple of other entries. The same as before |
| 06:58.27 | wols | zaher: exact same place you got the .rpm. 22MB instead of 10MB |
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| 06:58.31 | Kevin` | try fsck -f |
| 06:58.57 | Kevin` | wols, fyi, that didn't work (touch) |
| 06:59.08 | apotheon | This has been a bad week for my Linux joy. |
| 06:59.17 | roxy_ | streuner: :-) you're the one |
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| 06:59.48 | concept10 | Kevin`, whats -f , force? |
| 06:59.55 | Kevin` | yes |
| 06:59.57 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 07:01.16 | concept10 | Kevin`, done. Now I need another ext3 for the rest of the disk |
| 07:02.00 | dn4 | http://pastebin.com/737583 <-- problems any ideas? |
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| 07:02.07 | Kevin` | so create a partition if needed, the format it as ext3 |
| 07:02.20 | roxy_ | touching /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg didn't help to solve the problem |
| 07:03.03 | wols | dn4: yes. don't use pastebin.com, it takes aaages to load :) |
| 07:03.20 | dn4 | wols, good point, what doesn't take ages to load? |
| 07:03.22 | concept10 | bah, ive only been into this for 30 mins and im sick of man pages |
| 07:03.23 | elPepo | do someone knows where can be cinelerra packages for Etch? |
| 07:03.24 | apotheon | Well, thanks for the company in misery at least. |
| 07:03.31 | wols | !paste |
| 07:03.32 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 07:04.54 | dn4 | http://paste.debian.net/8391 <-- there |
| 07:05.03 | Kevin` | concept10 use whatever partition program (cfdisk recommended), then mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdaX, X bieng the proper partition.. be very careful with that |
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| 07:06.24 | wols | dn4: install fltk |
| 07:06.29 | wols | /bin/sh: line 1: fltk-config: command not found |
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| 07:07.28 | dn4 | wols, thank you |
| 07:07.32 | dn4 | totally missed that |
| 07:09.58 | crazy_penguin | good day all! :) |
| 07:11.00 | dn4 | http://paste.debian.net/8392 <-- ideas? |
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| 07:11.15 | zaher | sorry, i overlooked that one, thanks |
| 07:11.35 | zaher | sorry, i overlooked that one, thanks wols |
| 07:11.45 | Scottnailon | can someone msg me and speak to me about mounting an External USB hdd? |
| 07:11.55 | Scottnailon | I dont know how :) |
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| 07:12.34 | streuner | !tell Scottnailon about usb_storage |
| 07:14.07 | Master_Medic | hello |
| 07:14.24 | Master_Medic | can someone help me with an internet problem |
| 07:14.31 | Master_Medic | i have 2 computers and one internet line |
| 07:14.33 | Scottnailon | streuner: errr I am a noob.... tell me how LOL |
| 07:14.37 | Master_Medic | its setup kinda like this: |
| 07:14.39 | Supaplex | not if it involves guessing what your problem is |
| 07:14.57 | Master_Medic | ineternet --> comp1 --> usbToEthernet --> comp2 |
| 07:14.58 | streuner | if you aren't able to read you shouldn't run debian then |
| 07:15.07 | Scottnailon | streuner: ok |
| 07:15.11 | Supaplex | !tell Master_Medic -about ask |
| 07:15.13 | Master_Medic | i just need help on how to configure each computer so that they can both use the internet |
| 07:16.27 | Master_Medic | err |
| 07:16.36 | Master_Medic | i'm running sid |
| 07:16.38 | wols | Master_Medic: what is comp1 running? |
| 07:16.39 | Master_Medic | and fc4 |
| 07:16.44 | Master_Medic | comp1 is running fc4 |
| 07:16.48 | Master_Medic | comp2 is sid |
| 07:17.09 | wols | then ask FC4 community about ip ipmasquerading or NAT |
| 07:17.17 | Master_Medic | umk |
| 07:17.27 | Supaplex | and maybe dhcpd to |
| 07:17.40 | Supaplex | or just toss debian on it :) |
| 07:17.45 | Supaplex | buhuhaha |
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| 07:18.14 | vladi_here | good question by the way |
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| 07:18.52 | Master_Medic | thanks |
| 07:19.55 | vladi_here | on sarge pppoeconf can help configure ppp0 but after reboot #pon dsl-provider does nothing |
| 07:19.55 | dn4 | http://paste.debian.net/8392 <-- ideas? |
| 07:20.33 | streuner | Scottnailon: what didn't you unterstand what the bot told you? |
| 07:21.55 | wols | vladi_here: why the '#' ? |
| 07:22.04 | Scottnailon | streuner: can you just tell me how to load a module? |
| 07:22.26 | streuner | Scottnailon: modprobe <module> |
| 07:22.36 | Scottnailon | thanks |
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| 07:22.44 | vladi_here | have to route add default ppp0 or smth like that |
| 07:23.03 | streuner | Scottnailon: to list all modules which are already loaded just run 'lsmod' |
| 07:23.27 | wols | vladi_here: no |
| 07:23.35 | wols | and you didn't answer my question |
| 07:23.35 | vladi_here | wols: root's rights can use sudo |
| 07:24.28 | wols | ok |
| 07:24.39 | wols | anything in syslog? ifconfig showing ppp0, etc? |
| 07:25.00 | wols | pppd process running? |
| 07:27.16 | Gozz | could someone tell me if this is correct i am reading about the 64bit images and i think it means that i need the Debian-AMD64 image for a Intel EM64T is this true? i downloaded a debian-31r2-ia64-netinst.iso and it wouldnt even boot. Could anyone help? |
| 07:27.33 | vladi_here | default route is set to eth0 not ppp0 that's the question, sarge is at work cant check things |
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| 07:27.54 | streuner | Gozz: AMD is AMD and Intel is Intel... |
| 07:28.09 | wols | Gozz: ia64 is NOT a amd64 image. IA64 is for itanium |
| 07:28.19 | streuner | !ia64 |
| 07:28.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 07:28.25 | wols | you will need the amd64 one for youe em64t cpu |
| 07:29.01 | Gozz | thanks wols |
| 07:29.09 | streuner | Who can effort ia64 anyways...? |
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| 07:29.21 | vladi_here | I'm at home and now at unstable |
| 07:29.27 | wols | vladi_here: pppd will change the defaultroute when connecting. but yes, disabling that eth0 defaultroute in /etc/network/interfaces, or properly configuring your dhcp would be in order |
| 07:29.54 | wols | streuner: intel. they even want to give those japanese who want to buy ia64 money so they take it :) |
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| 07:29.58 | lehel | hello |
| 07:30.14 | wols | vladi_here: doesn't matter. sarge and sid are totally the same for pppoe |
| 07:30.59 | lehel | i have some problem with "adduser": configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) [as root] |
| 07:31.13 | streuner | lehel: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:31.17 | lehel | i tried dpkg-reconfigure.. |
| 07:31.32 | lehel | ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:31.43 | streuner | update your system first |
| 07:31.51 | lehel | oh |
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| 07:32.13 | streuner | the bug is solved, IIRC |
| 07:32.14 | vladi_here | ok. but pppoeconf is supposed to work, pon dsl-provider fails to connect - it's a bug |
| 07:33.12 | lehel | streuner: apt-get upgrade wants some kernel-headers.. image.. openoffice.. |
| 07:33.46 | streuner | well |
| 07:33.47 | wols | vladi_here: how is it failing? you haven't answered any of my questions |
| 07:33.58 | wols | just because you can't get it to work, it's not automatically a bug |
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| 07:36.26 | lehel | not would be enough upgrading just libc6 ? |
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| 07:37.10 | vladi_here | a couple different machines of sarge and etch; I can't pon. Installed rp-pppoe from a tarball: pppoe-setup pppoe-start etc work better |
| 07:38.34 | wols | you still haven't said how pon is failing |
| 07:39.08 | wols | the questions is not if pppoe-setup works better but how pon fails and if that's a bug or simply pebkac in some way |
| 07:39.41 | wols | btw: debian rp-pppoe comes with pppoe-setup too |
| 07:40.59 | vladi_here | how? after pon dsl-provider it says Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded but default route is eth0, so no connection to ppp0 |
| 07:41.24 | wols | are you using on demand dialing? |
| 07:41.36 | wols | and: pon doesn't set a default router, especially not for eth0 |
| 07:41.51 | wols | so fix your network config instead |
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| 07:55.25 | arunkumaran | hello channel |
| 07:55.31 | arunkumaran | is there anyone from canadsa |
| 07:55.33 | arunkumaran | is there anyone from canada |
| 07:55.59 | roxy_ | I am using the attached sound card on the mother board. I plugged the speaker on the green output and the head phone on the blue output. I got sound in the speaker but not in the headphone. I had a look into alsamixer but can't find the proper setting. |
| 07:56.48 | cat | arunkumaran, what do you need |
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| 07:57.53 | arunkumaran | cat: i want to find some information about higher studies in canda |
| 07:57.54 | deadcat | can awk print only the regex that it matched? |
| 07:57.56 | arunkumaran | cat: i want to find some information about higher studies in canada |
| 07:58.13 | cat | oh ok, well I'm not from canada so i don't know try doing some research online |
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| 07:59.02 | cat | deadcat, there si |
| 07:59.04 | cat | *is |
| 07:59.22 | deadcat | cat: can you recall what it is? |
| 07:59.27 | cat | deadcat, http://webtools.live2support.com/linux/sed.php |
| 08:00.07 | deadcat | guess i will try it with sed then. |
| 08:00.29 | roxy_ | deadcat: just curious, why do you use awk and not pearl, python or ruby ? |
| 08:00.52 | deadcat | roxy_: i just want to get the ip from whatismyip.com, i figure awk would be faster. |
| 08:00.56 | cat | deadcat, do you know about any debian handbook |
| 08:01.20 | cat | I'm in the mood of reading but i've already read everything from debian.org/doc |
| 08:01.21 | deadcat | cat: ya. theres a debian cook book or linux cook book. apt-cache search it |
| 08:01.36 | roxy_ | cat: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/books |
| 08:01.43 | cat | roxy_, free one though |
| 08:01.48 | cat | deadcat, linuxcoockbock |
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| 08:02.12 | deadcat | cat: i actually have the book.. wasted my $ )= |
| 08:02.17 | snd-ca0106 | hi where i can pick GrowIsoFS (required by K3b) ? |
| 08:02.23 | cat | deadcat, is it on pdf? |
| 08:02.28 | deadcat | cat: paper |
| 08:02.41 | deadcat | snd-ca0106: dvdr-tools |
| 08:02.43 | roxy_ | cat: I got that one too |
| 08:02.44 | cat | snd-ca0106, apt-get install dvd+rw-tools |
| 08:02.56 | cat | can someone send it? |
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| 08:03.11 | deadcat | cat: its really simple stuff. |
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| 08:03.15 | roxy_ | cat: it is a hard copy. which country ? |
| 08:03.16 | cat | oh, like? |
| 08:03.29 | cat | roxy_, usa i don't have money to spend on book i have lots of bills to pay, |
| 08:03.47 | roxy_ | cat: it is true, if you're using debian I don't think it is worth it |
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| 08:04.05 | cat | damn |
| 08:04.11 | roxy_ | it teaches a lot of stuff that are already in debian |
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| 08:04.27 | cat | roxy_, such as? |
| 08:04.38 | deadcat | cat: taht link doesnt help much... it doesnt really tell me how to print the stuff i match |
| 08:04.53 | snd-ca0106 | thx very much |
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| 08:05.33 | roxy_ | cat: cd/dvd recording, managing bootloader, patching kernels, configuring video, cups ... |
| 08:05.35 | snd-ca0106 | just another issue if i start two or more session why trying to play music from one (and the others aren't playing) it still says error with /dev/dsp ? |
| 08:05.59 | cat | oh |
| 08:06.02 | cat | and you have that book? |
| 08:06.05 | roxy_ | cat: and if you get a problem with debian doing it then the cookbook is not detailed enough to help you |
| 08:06.16 | cat | snd-ca0106, use alsa |
| 08:06.26 | snd-ca0106 | i'm using alsa |
| 08:06.28 | snd-ca0106 | ;) |
| 08:06.52 | roxy_ | cat: yes, this one: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ |
| 08:06.55 | snd-ca0106 | but practically: if the first-booted session plays it's all right |
| 08:06.56 | cat | my, sound cards allow, a lot of stuff to play at the same stuff |
| 08:07.00 | raf256 | o, rly? |
| 08:07.06 | snd-ca0106 | if i play from secondary session it show error |
| 08:07.12 | roxy_ | cat: but I still can't get the sound to work as I want :( |
| 08:07.41 | cat | roxy_, is that book free? |
| 08:07.42 | cat | to download |
| 08:07.44 | cat | or not |
| 08:08.03 | roxy_ | cat: no |
| 08:08.13 | roxy_ | snd-ca0106: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 08:09.40 | cat | damn i'm falling asleep, |
| 08:10.23 | snd-ca0106 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.24 | roxy_ | snd-ca0106: I just got it to work yesterday, I don't know much more. |
| 08:11.39 | wols | snd-ca0106: use ALSA with dmix |
| 08:11.44 | wols | and not /dev/dsp |
| 08:11.59 | roxy_ | wols: I just gave him the link :-) |
| 08:12.08 | wols | oops :) |
| 08:12.30 | roxy_ | wols: to get the speaker and head phone to work at the same time, would that be a alsamixer plugin ? |
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| 08:12.39 | roxy_ | s/plugin/ job |
| 08:13.28 | snd-ca0106 | m that page is quite confusing ;) if i've alsa installed and working properly what else i've to do ? |
| 08:13.33 | wols | no. I don't think so |
| 08:13.44 | roxy_ | I want to switch output headphone/speaker or at least output to both |
| 08:13.47 | hagbard | Howdy, I'm in the installer, and the "install base system" step is failing because it cannot properly install the kernel. I can fix that by hand, but whenver I try to resume installing, debian insists on restarting the step. is it possible to convince the debian-installer that the "install base system" step has completed successfully? (I'm on sparc64, btw) |
| 08:13.53 | wols | are you sure they both can work? and both of your connectors there are for what you think they are? |
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| 08:14.07 | wols | it might be a driver issue |
| 08:14.15 | insmod | anyone here want to test my program? to help me debug it? |
| 08:14.30 | wols | how is the kernel install failing? |
| 08:14.31 | roxy_ | wols: isn't it the pink and blue output on a sound card ? |
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| 08:14.43 | wols | roxy_: no |
| 08:15.02 | roxy_ | wols: sorry, green and blue |
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| 08:15.28 | wols | there is no color coding that's universal. see your mobo manual |
| 08:15.39 | hagbard | its not a driver issue, truth be told. |
| 08:15.58 | hagbard | the installer isn't properly installing yaird or initramfs-tools |
| 08:16.07 | dondelelcaro | wols: green typically is the speaker output, red typically is the mic input... everything else varies. |
| 08:16.08 | hagbard | therefore, the kernel post-install step fails. |
| 08:16.21 | wols | hagbard: 2.6 or 2.4? maybe try the other one? |
| 08:16.47 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro: isn't blue standard auxiliary output, I am trying to get that one to work |
| 08:16.51 | hagbard | wols: Both. The point is, I just want to tell the installer "yes, I know this may be stupid, but I want to do it anyways, can we just get on with it?" |
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| 08:17.00 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: maybe, maybe not. |
| 08:17.20 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help :-) |
| 08:17.31 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro: any way I could check ? |
| 08:17.36 | wols | why can't you check the manual for it? |
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| 08:17.58 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: plug an amplified set of speakers in, and you should be able to tell |
| 08:18.11 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: if you've got sound comming out of the out, then no, it's not the aux out. |
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| 08:18.58 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro: It is called: line in |
| 08:19.17 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: then it's line in. |
| 08:19.19 | roxy_ | I don't know what it is for, I thought I could use it for output too :( |
| 08:19.31 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: so no, it can't be used for output. |
| 08:19.55 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro: what about side speaker ? |
| 08:20.08 | wols | those areusually for 5.1 sound |
| 08:20.46 | roxy_ | I got: side speaker, rear speaker, central/bas, line in, front speaker, microphone |
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| 08:21.16 | wosmann | anyone here using mbmon? |
| 08:21.19 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 08:21.22 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:21.30 | roxy_ | I would like to plug in speaker an headphone and be able to switch from one to the other without to plug/unplug. Is there any way? |
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| 08:21.48 | tarzeau | wosmann: interesting.. i've just tried sensors lately |
| 08:22.04 | snd-ca0106 | why ports 111 113 and 925/935 are opened on startup ? |
| 08:22.24 | tarzeau | snd-ca0106: because you didn't read harden-doc |
| 08:22.54 | wosmann | tarzeau: i was able to monitor sensors until a recent update. stay still. |
| 08:23.03 | tarzeau | wosmann: which kernel do you run? |
| 08:23.09 | wosmann | 2.6.15 |
| 08:23.22 | tarzeau | wosmann: what did you update? |
| 08:23.47 | wosmann | those regular update and upgrade. |
| 08:24.07 | tarzeau | wosmann: sid? |
| 08:24.13 | wosmann | etch |
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| 08:24.28 | snd-ca0106 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.30 | tarzeau | wosmann: IT WORKS ;) (sarge, 2.4.33-pre3) |
| 08:24.35 | tarzeau | snd-ca0106: read it! |
| 08:24.39 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 08:24.40 | dpkg | methinks harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 08:24.50 | covux | hello, how can i find out which package contains a certain file? |
| 08:25.08 | tarzeau | wosmann: but mbmon-rrd fails ... missing deps? |
| 08:25.09 | wosmann | can u check /etc/default/mbmoon? |
| 08:25.37 | tarzeau | wosmann: i don't have such file |
| 08:25.54 | tarzeau | wosmann: do you know such tool for windows xp? |
| 08:25.58 | wosmann | do u have /etc/init.d/mbmon? |
| 08:26.35 | roxy_ | dondelelcaro, wols: I wanted to use 2 sound cards, one for speaker and the other for headphone, but I've been told not to because most of the sound card had main output and auxiliary output I could used. Was that wrong ? |
| 08:26.43 | wols | wosmann: speedfan. or if you have an little older amchine, motherboard monitor |
| 08:27.00 | wols | roxy_: imho yes, it was wrong |
| 08:27.20 | wosmann | wols: right now, i want to make mbmon work for me again. |
| 08:27.37 | wols | wosmann: sorry.s hould have been for tarzeau. mea culpa |
| 08:27.58 | wosmann | tarzeau: gkrellm may work for windows. |
| 08:28.01 | tarzeau | wosmann: for commandline? |
| 08:28.17 | tarzeau | wosmann: i need it for commandline because of: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 08:28.28 | tarzeau | wosmann: you know acpi -Bt ? |
| 08:28.35 | wosmann | no |
| 08:28.43 | wols | gkrellm doesn't work under windows. there is a gkrellm version but it uses motherboard monitor |
| 08:28.58 | snd-ca0106 | i see no ports of mine listed in that doc ;( *cries* |
| 08:29.15 | tarzeau | wosmann: no initd script either |
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| 08:29.46 | wols | snd-ca0106: look in /etc/serviecs to sse what they are |
| 08:29.48 | wosmann | tarzeau: so no autostart fr boot. u start it fr command line only, right? |
| 08:29.52 | wols | and use netstat -anp |grep LIST |
| 08:30.18 | roxy_ | wols: then how is that: I set up to sound card. I plug speaker in one, headphone/mic in the other. Then I switch app from one sound card to the other. Is that a difficult set up ? |
| 08:30.18 | tarzeau | wosmann: i don't want it started at all, i run my own deamon, temperaturesd which returns also hd temperatures for our rrd monitoring server |
| 08:30.40 | tarzeau | wosmann: we're likely to add 50 more windows hosts, and maybe 30 mac os x ones... |
| 08:30.59 | wols | roxy_: imho no. you just need to tell the various apps which output to use (which /device file) |
| 08:31.22 | wosmann | tarzeau: find, i do that too. what does the commandline for mbmon in your script look like? |
| 08:31.38 | tarzeau | wosmann: i didn't figure out yet... |
| 08:31.39 | wols | tarzeau: it mbm works, it has an API you can use from other programs. quite easily (shared memory) |
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| 08:32.01 | tarzeau | wols: i found an mbm perl script.... but i don't know perl really well |
| 08:32.12 | snd-ca0106 | according to services doc says they're auth and sunrpc how do i shutdown these ? |
| 08:32.23 | wols | they have nice C example code :) |
| 08:32.24 | tarzeau | wols, wosmann basically temperaturesd returns: cpu 60.0 hda 47 |
| 08:32.27 | wosmann | wols: i have all along use mbon with gkrellm and it worked fined until a recent upgrade. |
| 08:32.35 | roxy_ | wols: says in amarok, how would you do that ? |
| 08:32.38 | tarzeau | wols: they build with lcc-win32? |
| 08:32.52 | wols | wosmann: windows being MS windows, not your X11 |
| 08:33.11 | wols | tarzeau: yes. if not they surely build with mingw |
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| 08:33.13 | wosmann | tarzeau: just the command 'mbmon' would display all temps and voltages. |
| 08:33.40 | tarzeau | wosmann: i just need it printed once... and probably using -T7 |
| 08:33.45 | Eureka | is there anyway to display the speed of mv command? |
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| 08:34.10 | wols | roxy_: no clue, don't have amarok. just use a differnt output device in it. if you use artsd, use a different device there |
| 08:34.11 | tarzeau | Eureka: put time ahead |
| 08:34.19 | vlt | Hello. When I connect to a server via SSH with "-R 1324:TARGET_IP:80" it only listens to 127.0.0.1:1234. How can I make the remote machine listen to 0.0.0.0:1234? |
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| 08:34.31 | wols | tarzeau: I guess he wants a pretty graph while it runs. like wget does |
| 08:34.39 | Eureka | tarzeau: time ahead? |
| 08:34.50 | wols | Eureka: time mv bla... |
| 08:34.50 | tarzeau | Eureka: time mv what ever |
| 08:35.02 | Eureka | tarzeau: let me try that |
| 08:35.04 | tarzeau | wols: then he wants to use midnight commander (mc) |
| 08:35.06 | Eureka | thanks guys |
| 08:35.13 | wosmann | wols: i use wget too but how to make it display graph? |
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| 08:35.28 | wols | it does by default for me. in 50kB chunks |
| 08:35.32 | bilss | hello folks |
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| 08:36.36 | bilss | i need to disable IPV6 but if ssh port 22 and smtp port 25 are on tcp6 what effect would this have? |
| 08:36.55 | wosmann | wols: it is graph or numerical value? |
| 08:37.04 | roxy_ | wols: thanks for your help |
| 08:37.07 | vlt | Or maybe I can manage it without ssh and just use iptables. So how can I redirect connections from "-i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 1234" to TARGET_IP:80 (and ...its answers back to the client)? |
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| 08:38.17 | ChrisW | hmm :-/ once again trying to debug cron jobs that are mysteriously not running |
| 08:40.40 | tarzeau | wols: i use it like this: mbmon -T7 -c1 |; ORS=""} {print $0 " "} END {printf "\n"}' |
| 08:41.59 | bilss | liable: how are things downunder stil on holiday? |
| 08:42.05 | ChrisW | ther's nothing in /var/log/syslog |
| 08:42.11 | ChrisW | any ideas how to debug? |
| 08:43.02 | ChrisW | are some users excluded from running cronjobs? |
| 08:43.11 | covux | i got this error "Servname not supported for ai_socktype" in gftp and ntpdate, thanks for any help |
| 08:43.17 | tarzeau | ChrisW: they can be |
| 08:43.45 | ChrisW | tarzeau: how can I check if that's the case here? |
| 08:43.54 | tarzeau | ChrisW: check /etc or just try crontab -e |
| 08:43.59 | tarzeau | it'll tell you if you're not |
| 08:44.22 | ChrisW | the user in question was created with: adduser --disabled-login staticsite |
| 08:44.29 | ChrisW | crontab -e works |
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| 08:44.53 | roxy_ | someone got a link for the linux audio user guide ? |
| 08:45.29 | roxy_ | oops, found it |
| 08:45.29 | ChrisW | hmmm, do lines in crontabs have to end in \n? |
| 08:45.35 | bilss | i need to disable IPV6 but if ssh port 22 and smtp port 25 are on tcp6 what effect would this have? you see i get this news server error that means i must disable IPV6 |
| 08:45.36 | tarzeau | ChrisW: should |
| 08:45.43 | tarzeau | ChrisW: that's general for ALL files |
| 08:46.12 | wols | bilss: nothing if you don't connect via ipv6 to those services |
| 08:46.26 | ChrisW | tarzeau: hmm, wonder if that was it? |
| 08:46.28 | wols | in case of smtp that no one send you mail via ipv6 |
| 08:46.47 | tarzeau | ChrisW: probably |
| 08:47.00 | ChrisW | guess we'll see |
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| 08:48.16 | bilss | wols: ok thanks how can i check which services are connected to ipv6 |
| 08:48.39 | wols | netstat |
| 08:48.58 | wols | and with "connect" I mean that you use IPV6 yourself |
| 08:49.03 | wols | which you should know if you do |
| 08:49.34 | bilss | is it netstat -tld or netstat -lvpn |
| 08:50.45 | ChrisW | tarzeau: yeah, that was it, one down, now I just need to find out why another job has entries in /var/log/syslog but doesn't appear to actually get run :-/ |
| 08:50.46 | wols | tcp/udp ports of course |
| 08:51.12 | wols | ChrisW: error in the script called? |
| 08:51.40 | tarzeau | ChrisW: paths? |
| 08:51.47 | ChrisW | no mail |
| 08:51.50 | tarzeau | ChrisW: can you paste the cron line? |
| 08:51.57 | ChrisW | but ah, that user's mail probably doesn't go anywher... |
| 08:52.03 | ChrisW | hang on, let me check... |
| 08:52.27 | ChrisW | right, got it |
| 08:52.41 | ChrisW | cool, thanks for your help everyone :-) |
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| 08:58.34 | SkareCrow | anyone know what that GUI web based thing is that works with samba. allows me to set up shares and what not |
| 08:59.05 | bilss | wow: whats the netstat line for checking re ipv6 |
| 08:59.26 | dondelelcaro | SkareCrow: gsambad? |
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| 08:59.30 | bilss | tcp ports |
| 09:00.10 | SkareCrow | dondelelcaro: that doesnt sound like it. i forget the name of it |
| 09:00.10 | SkareCrow | grr |
| 09:00.19 | bilss | wols: whats the netstat line for chechking tcp ports re IPV6 |
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| 09:03.10 | dondelelcaro | SkareCrow: smbtk is the other one, but that's usually used for browsing shares. |
| 09:03.28 | dondelelcaro | (or the other various smb browsers) |
| 09:05.00 | Scottnailon | hey guys, I figured out how to mount my USB hdd,,,, err... can you guys tell me how to make it so I can access it as a user and not just as r00t ? |
| 09:05.25 | azeem | Scottnailon: pmount, for example |
| 09:05.32 | SkareCrow | no, it was something that actually let you set up shares for sambe. it was a small GUI for creating conf files for samba. |
| 09:05.35 | azeem | Scottnailon: or use KDE's or GNOME's automouning facilities |
| 09:05.39 | SkareCrow | ran on a 3 digit port i forget |
| 09:05.43 | SkareCrow | like 901 or something |
| 09:05.45 | SkareCrow | 309 |
| 09:05.49 | SkareCrow | idk |
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| 09:06.07 | Scottnailon | azeem: where do I find those? :) |
| 09:06.18 | azeem | what those? |
| 09:06.24 | wols | bilss: dunno ipv6 exactly but you should know if you actually use ipv5 so this is all pointless |
| 09:06.29 | wols | SkareCrow: SWAT. port 901 |
| 09:06.40 | Scottnailon | azeem: automounting facilities :) |
| 09:06.50 | SkareCrow | yea |
| 09:06.50 | azeem | Scottnailon: well, they just work |
| 09:06.55 | SkareCrow | thats it thank you so much wols :) |
| 09:06.58 | azeem | usually |
| 09:07.16 | Scottnailon | azeem: I dont get how they 'just work' |
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| 09:07.37 | azeem | Scottnailon: do you use GNOME or KDE? |
| 09:07.41 | Scottnailon | azeem: I just need to be able to access my files as a normal user, at the moment they are only accessible to root |
| 09:07.44 | Scottnailon | KDE |
| 09:07.49 | azeem | Scottnailon: you plug your usb hdd in and it gets mounted |
| 09:08.11 | cataract | i'm having problems with artsd and kernel 2.6.17 |
| 09:08.15 | azeem | well, maybe you have setup something on KDE for stable, not sure |
| 09:08.20 | cataract | artsd crashes on kde startup |
| 09:08.45 | Scottnailon | azeem: hmmm |
| 09:08.47 | Scottnailon | ok |
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| 09:09.09 | Scottnailon | I dont get how thats an answer to my question... |
| 09:10.08 | Scottnailon | lets try again: I can access my files on the drive I have mounted in root, but I need to be able to access them as a normal user also... get me? |
| 09:10.38 | azeem | Scottnailon: sure. The point is that GNOME automounts them as you, so there's no problem getting to the data |
| 09:11.04 | Scottnailon | ok, well I am a KDE user... I dont like Gnome :) |
| 09:11.19 | azeem | I also said that KDE in theory has this feature as well |
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| 09:11.28 | ctd | if a module is requesting an "io=0xNNN" value, what would it be after? |
| 09:11.33 | azeem | and I already told you about pmount which is a somewhat manual solution to it |
| 09:11.36 | ctd | (for a network card) |
| 09:11.43 | azeem | ctd: the io port |
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| 09:11.51 | Scottnailon | so, do I need to do some type of chmod or something? |
| 09:11.57 | azeem | Scottnailon: no |
| 09:12.01 | azeem | that would be hackish |
| 09:12.02 | ctd | azeem: and how would i retreive the value it's after? |
| 09:12.15 | azeem | Scottnailon: I suggest you look into pmount |
| 09:12.18 | Scottnailon | so how do I access my files in console without being root ? |
| 09:12.24 | Scottnailon | pmount... ok |
| 09:12.37 | wols_ | ctd: manual or documentation of that card |
| 09:13.07 | ctd | it can't be determined otherwise? |
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| 09:13.24 | Lacsi- | hi |
| 09:13.30 | wols_ | no. cards are free to use any number mostly |
| 09:13.31 | azeem | the question is: If it can be determined otherwise, why doesn't the module do so? |
| 09:13.43 | wols_ | does the card has jumpers? |
| 09:13.53 | Lacsi- | what's the easiest method to get a list of files newer than 2days inside a dir recursively? |
| 09:13.58 | wols_ | I just told you it can't be. PnP was developed for this purpose |
| 09:14.14 | wols_ | azeem: soory. misready your nick |
| 09:14.15 | azeem | maybe cat /proc/ioports gives you hinte |
| 09:14.17 | azeem | hints |
| 09:14.39 | wols_ | typically ISA network cards use 0x220-0x300 in 0x20 steps IIRC |
| 09:14.43 | wols_ | but no guaranteses |
| 09:15.17 | azeem | ctd: what kind of card is itĂ? Which kernel module? |
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| 09:16.16 | ctd | azeem: amd 79c970 using the lance module |
| 09:16.19 | ctd | it's old stuff :) |
| 09:16.32 | hagbard | anyone here familiar with the debian-installer system? I'm trying to find where the scripts that govern the brunt of the install actions are located. |
| 09:17.04 | azeem | hagbard: maybe ask in #debian-boot, though I am not sure your question makes sense |
| 09:17.36 | hagbard | azeem: I'm having some trouble getting the debian-installer to not abort when it cannot install the kernel. |
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| 09:18.12 | azeem | hagbard: are you developing a derived distribution? |
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| 09:18.30 | hagbard | azeem: no, I'm trying to install debian on a very cranky, netbooted ultrasparc. |
| 09:18.43 | vlt | I asked: How can I redirect connections from "-i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 1234" to TARGET_IP:80 (and ...its answers back to the client)? |
| 09:18.45 | vlt | And the answer is: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 10080 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:80; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -d 192.168.0.2 -j MASQUERADE; |
| 09:19.05 | azeem | hagbard: ok, ask in #debian-boot I'd say |
| 09:19.06 | vlt | (with the right ports ;-) |
| 09:19.12 | hagbard | Aight, thank you. |
| 09:19.24 | wols_ | vlt: are you already doing NAT? |
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| 09:20.54 | vlt | wols_: Yes, for ppp0. |
| 09:21.07 | vlt | wols_: Why? |
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| 09:39.12 | Shedoks | HI |
| 09:39.25 | Shedoks | is it possible to make clone image of installed debian |
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| 09:43.21 | Eureka | has anyone used the latest mdadm to grow RAID 5 |
| 09:43.58 | wols_ | "anyone" questions are bad mkay? |
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| 09:44.33 | Eureka | wols_: why is bad? |
| 09:44.45 | wols_ | cause it's not your real question |
| 09:44.57 | Eureka | wols_: How do you know |
| 09:45.06 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 09:45.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:45.11 | wols_ | that's why |
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| 09:45.35 | wols_ | were I right? |
| 09:45.44 | Eureka | whatever, |
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| 09:49.20 | Milan- | hi all ! I'm having trouble with cups on etch |
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| 09:49.43 | Milan- | most of the printer-sepcific drivers don't appear when trying to add a printer |
| 09:49.51 | Milan- | could someone help ? |
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| 09:59.05 | ttick | anyone know a curses linux editor similar to nano but with inline spell-check? (highlights wrong words for you while you type, etc)? |
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| 10:03.32 | Shedoks | anyone |
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| 10:06.07 | ihatesleep | Can someone help me upgrade to kernel 2.6? |
| 10:06.27 | blondie | ihatesleep: can't you just apt-get install it? |
| 10:06.46 | ihatesleep | I'm not sure |
| 10:07.24 | const_cast | you should be able to install it via apt-get |
| 10:07.42 | ihatesleep | how so? |
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| 10:07.49 | ozgur | ello |
| 10:07.55 | azeem | ihatesleep: do you run stable? |
| 10:07.58 | ozgur | prd.. |
| 10:07.58 | ozgur | hello |
| 10:07.59 | ihatesleep | yeah |
| 10:08.03 | azeem | ihatesleep: then apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 10:08.07 | azeem | an look for 2.6 |
| 10:08.15 | azeem | pick one which suits your CPU |
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| 10:09.00 | Mithenks | ihatesleep: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 10:09.10 | bilss | hi folks |
| 10:09.22 | ihatesleep | Mithenks, kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 10:09.26 | ihatesleep | I have a p3 |
| 10:09.37 | azeem | sounds right |
| 10:09.53 | ihatesleep | will I be able to install an nvidia driver with that |
| 10:10.35 | const_cast | ihatesleep: you might want to install the meta package "kernel-image-2.6-686" |
| 10:10.37 | bilss | does this line from my ifconfig mean i am useing IPV6 inet6 addr: fe80::20f:b0ff:fe5c:af1f/64 Scope:Lin |
| 10:10.53 | ihatesleep | const_cast, why? |
| 10:11.07 | const_cast | this will install the latest stable kernel and you will get all security updates |
| 10:11.33 | const_cast | have a look at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg02743.html |
| 10:11.34 | ihatesleep | const_cast, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 10:11.44 | const_cast | yep |
| 10:11.50 | const_cast | and you should install udev |
| 10:11.59 | ihatesleep | const_cast, I also need a command for the kernel sources too i think |
| 10:12.06 | ihatesleep | because of the nvidia driver |
| 10:12.26 | ihatesleep | const_cast, what does udev do |
| 10:12.43 | const_cast | ihatesleep: or you could give nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-686 a try |
| 10:12.54 | wols_ | ihatesleep: only kernel-headers, not source |
| 10:13.09 | bilss | wols_ idoes this line from ifconfig indicate i am useing IPV6 net6 addr: fe80::20f:b0ff:fe5c:af1f/64 Scope:Link |
| 10:13.19 | const_cast | ihatesleep: udev is the user space device daemon or something like that |
| 10:13.34 | const_cast | it will create your device files on boot |
| 10:13.48 | ihatesleep | const_cast, if I tried that kernel would I nto have to install te driver for my nvidia card? |
| 10:13.49 | const_cast | you won't be able to boot your system without udev |
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| 10:14.24 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. I have a Sagem broadband modem that I attach to my computer via the USB port. |
| 10:14.28 | const_cast | nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-686 should give you the module for your card |
| 10:14.36 | ihatesleep | const_cast, udev is already the newest version |
| 10:15.10 | ricky_clarkson | Linux recognises it as an 'Eagle II'. How can I set up an Internet connection using it? |
| 10:15.33 | ricky_clarkson | I already have the account and everything, that's how I'm connected now, but in Windows. |
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| 10:15.37 | ihatesleep | const_cast, E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-686 |
| 10:15.57 | nekostar | hey anyone know if the sid xmms-shn will work on etch or sarge ? |
| 10:16.30 | ricky_clarkson | nekostar: Using a sid package makes your system sid. |
| 10:16.45 | nekostar | ricky_clarkson, sure sure |
| 10:16.54 | const_cast | ihatesleep: hmm. maybe this is a unstable pakage |
| 10:16.55 | nekostar | but how much of its got to be converted for that one package ? |
| 10:17.08 | const_cast | ihatesleep: then you'll have to get the sources and the kernel headers to compile it |
| 10:17.30 | ihatesleep | ok so |
| 10:17.36 | nekostar | i suppose no one in here runs shn // shorten codec for xmms // debian then |
| 10:17.39 | ihatesleep | what would the command look like for that |
| 10:18.32 | wols_ | bilss: yes you do have IPv6 enabled, but it doesn't say if you actually USE it. do you use IPv6 IPs anywhere or get connections via IPv6? |
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| 10:18.54 | ihatesleep | const_cast, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 ? |
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| 10:19.20 | ctd | /proc/ioports is now reporting 8400-841f for the network card, so what value should I be passing to the driver? |
| 10:19.43 | ctd | (it's asking for the io port, in form io=0xNNN) |
| 10:19.52 | wols_ | ctd: is this an ISA card? |
| 10:20.10 | {cyborg} | ctd: enter the first number |
| 10:20.11 | const_cast | ihatesleep: i'd still advice you to install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 10:20.14 | ctd | no, pci |
| 10:20.20 | const_cast | and not kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 10:20.26 | wols_ | ctd: you shouldn't need IO ports for PCI |
| 10:20.43 | ctd | wols_: okay, well the driver wants one :( |
| 10:20.46 | ihatesleep | what are the sources and headers called |
| 10:20.54 | ihatesleep | I'm not sure how to search for them |
| 10:20.56 | {cyborg} | const_cast: or compile your own kernel and build the package with kernel-package |
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| 10:21.18 | const_cast | ihatesleep: linux-kernel-headers should be the package |
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| 10:21.52 | const_cast | {cyborg}: i don't think ihatesleep is able to compile his own kernel without running into problems :) |
| 10:21.58 | ma3x | hello, is there a software to transmit the video from via svhs-cable to TV for my ati radeon igp340M ? |
| 10:22.01 | wols_ | ihatesleep: apt-cache search 2.6-686 |grep headers |
| 10:22.01 | irfa1 | hi |
| 10:22.34 | wols_ | ma3x: only if there's a X driver which can do that |
| 10:22.48 | ma3x | wols_, how can I know that? |
| 10:23.07 | wols_ | by looking at the driver docs and googling |
| 10:23.21 | irfa1 | can any body tell me how to get the dependencies also intall while installing any debian package with dpkg |
| 10:23.36 | {cyborg} | const_cast: sure |
| 10:23.38 | wols_ | irfa1: that's not possible. use apt-get instead |
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| 10:24.00 | wols_ | irfa1: you should only very rarely use dpkg for installing anything |
| 10:24.06 | ma3x | wols_, and what's this driver called? |
| 10:24.18 | wols_ | ma3x: whatever driver you use for it right now |
| 10:24.57 | ma3x | wols_, driver ati. now how do I look into that documentation? |
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| 10:25.12 | wols_ | xfree86.org or x.org has it |
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| 10:25.35 | irfa1 | hey wold_ I need to install gaim (1.5) but using apt-get I cant install this version |
| 10:25.47 | irfa1 | since in apt-get I am getting gaim 1.2 always |
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| 10:25.56 | ma3x | wols_, and where is it? |
| 10:26.20 | {cyborg} | irfa1: apt-get -t <stable|testing|unstable> install <package> |
| 10:26.27 | wols_ | ma3x: http://dominia.org/djao/presario2100us.html |
| 10:26.38 | wols_ | ma3x: and do you know what google.com is? |
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| 10:26.52 | bilss | wols_ here is a full ifconfig printout does it tell you anything more than i have already stated, if not then i am not sure http://pastebin.ca/76274 |
| 10:26.56 | {cyborg} | irfa1: or search some doc on apt package pinning |
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| 10:29.00 | ihatesleep | const_cast, I pasted the error I ran into here --> http://pb.tomsbox.org/view.php?id=28 |
| 10:29.22 | wols_ | bilss: how long are you doodering around now? I have told you countless times by now how you can check if you actually use the IPv6 you have there. wouldn't it be much easier to just try it out if something breaks? |
| 10:29.42 | ma3x | wols_, what did you type in google? |
| 10:30.22 | wols_ | ihatesleep: you already have kernel 2.6.8-3 installed. no need to install it twice |
| 10:30.28 | wols_ | linux X IGP340M s-video |
| 10:30.45 | ricky_clarkson | Linux recognises my broadband modem as an 'Eagle II'. How can I set up an Internet connection using it? |
| 10:30.45 | bilss | wols_ point taken |
| 10:30.45 | ihatesleep | wols_ : no I don't |
| 10:30.47 | azeem | wols_: he treis to install a securiy update? |
| 10:31.08 | ma3x | wols_, thanks a lot! |
| 10:31.12 | azeem | ihatesleep: anyway, this doesn't look like a serious error |
| 10:31.13 | ihatesleep | it's not shown in grub. there's probably just some package in there |
| 10:31.20 | wols_ | azeem: I very much doubt it unless debian doesn't increment the last number on security updates now |
| 10:31.27 | wols_ | "If /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686 belongs to a old install of...." |
| 10:32.00 | azeem | wols_: you seemed to imply he shouldn't install it because he had the same kernel installed already |
| 10:32.04 | wols_ | ihatesleep: dpkg -l |grep kernel- what does that put out? |
| 10:32.37 | wols_ | azeem: from the output he has. 2.6.8-3-686 is installed and he also tries to install it. |
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| 10:33.55 | g333k | hi I have connected a new printer to my system, via parallel port, how can I know if it was recongnized? |
| 10:34.22 | wols_ | ricky_clarkson: http://www.google.de/search?q=Linux+%22eagle+II%22+driver&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 10:34.45 | cahoot | g333k: start with dmesg |
| 10:35.01 | g333k | cahoot, how? |
| 10:35.24 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.04 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: Thanks, and where would I provide username/password, or is that what startadsl is for? |
| 10:37.22 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.25 | g333k | cahoot, can you see the output in fllood? |
| 10:37.45 | cahoot | g333k: got more than one line? |
| 10:37.51 | g333k | 2 |
| 10:37.51 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: I see, ta. |
| 10:38.19 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.22 | cahoot | g333k: 2 lines you can paste here |
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| 10:38.31 | g333k | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x2B11 |
| 10:38.31 | g333k | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver |
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| 10:38.50 | g333k | cahoot, just in case I have another printer connected via USB |
| 10:39.18 | g333k | cahoot, I think it is not getting the parallel printer |
| 10:39.21 | cahoot | g333k: no parport printer reported |
| 10:39.44 | cahoot | g333k: did you connect it on a running system? |
| 10:39.51 | g333k | cahoot, yep |
| 10:39.54 | RainbowW | can someone point me in the direct direction please? i'm looking for a torrent client (kde or gnome, don't care which) that will a) resume downloads started by another client, b) permit me to import .torrents wholesale, and c) permit rate limiting. ktorrent fails on points 1 and 2. |
| 10:40.01 | g333k | cahoot, do I have to reset? |
| 10:40.27 | cahoot | g333k: trymodprobe parport and lp |
| 10:40.28 | wols_ | ricky_clarkson: the import thing is not possible since every client might use a different internal format |
| 10:40.52 | wols_ | RainbowW: I meant |
| 10:41.47 | g333k | cahoot, same thing |
| 10:42.07 | RainbowW | wols_: not so you'd notice. rtorrent and bittorrent will resume one anothers' downloads. rtorrent has some pretty bad bugs, however. |
| 10:42.33 | wols_ | RainbowW: that's nice and all but it's not guaranteed that a client can resume any other's torrents |
| 10:42.58 | wols_ | if the client has that feature for a specific different client's torrent: great. but it cannot be universal. just cannot be |
| 10:43.02 | Eureka | I'm trying to test grow mode in RAID5, I'm wondering on the command? mdadm -G /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 --level=5 /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdc1 /dev/hdd1 |
| 10:43.36 | cahoot | g333k: might be you need to reboot with the printer plugged in |
| 10:43.49 | g333k | let me try... wait a second |
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| 10:48.21 | ma3x | please help me with the modem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2989 |
| 10:48.25 | murph | hey, system can't find vi when in runlevel 1, where exactly is it? |
| 10:48.37 | wols_ | murph: locate bin/vi |
| 10:48.48 | murph | cheers |
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| 10:49.25 | wols_ | ma3x: install kernel-headers for your kernel |
| 10:49.28 | g333k | cahoot, see the output now... It seems to be working |
| 10:49.35 | g333k | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x2B11 |
| 10:49.35 | g333k | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver |
| 10:49.35 | g333k | parport0: Printer, EPSON Stylus 820 |
| 10:50.39 | cahoot | g333k: at least recognized now |
| 10:50.42 | ma3x | wols_, and what package is that for linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 ? |
| 10:51.07 | wols_ | apt-cache search it |
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| 10:51.47 | murph | ok this is odd. i know there's not much running in runlevel 1 |
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| 10:52.17 | murph | but getting command not found with vi, locate, man, and all the rl 0 comands (reboot, halt, shutdown) |
| 10:52.28 | ma3x | wols_, linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686 is already the newest version. |
| 10:52.33 | g333k | cahoot, so I can go to the next step, installing drivers.... etc? |
| 10:52.34 | murph | and prompt reads (none):# |
| 10:53.07 | ma3x | wols_, otherwise kernel-headers are only available upto 2.4, not for 2.6 |
| 10:53.09 | murph | i can login as a normal user, then prompt is user@(none): |
| 10:53.26 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: I can't build it, which is something to do with the kernel source/headers. |
| 10:53.32 | ricky_clarkson | it=eagle-usb. |
| 10:53.42 | wols_ | ricky_clarkson: same thing applies to you what I said to ma3x |
| 10:53.57 | ricky_clarkson | I have 2.6.16 from backports, hopefully linux-source-2.6.16-whatever works for me. |
| 10:54.09 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, I'll get the headers too, see what happens. |
| 10:54.13 | wols_ | ricky_clarkson: source will not work. you must have kernel-headers |
| 10:54.22 | ma3x | wols_, read what Isaid |
| 10:54.42 | ttick | anyone know of a curses editor similar to nano in simplicity, but with inline spelling detection (like highlighting the word after you type it)? |
| 10:55.03 | wols_ | ma3x: then it's in the wrong place obviously |
| 10:55.19 | ma3x | wols_, what's in the wrongplace? |
| 10:55.30 | cyzie | how do we know the throughtput of writing speed and amount of data being write in the hdd? from the "bar"(forget the exact word) to the disk? |
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| 10:55.56 | wols_ | cyzie: hdparm |
| 10:56.11 | murph | how do you reboot when halt, reboot and shutdown are not recognised? |
| 10:56.22 | wols_ | murph: set your paths correctly |
| 10:56.26 | Eureka | I'm trying to test out mdadm grow mode with RAID5, I'm not sure if this command will work: mdadm -G /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdc1 /dev/hdd1(newly added for expansion) |
| 10:56.32 | wols_ | and ctrl+alt+del works too |
| 10:57.21 | murph | not at the moment it doesn't. btw i had a look in bin and no sign of vi, nor in usr or home |
| 10:57.26 | cyzie | wols_, are you sure? |
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| 10:58.22 | murph | gonna just poweroff and on |
| 10:58.24 | wols_ | cyzie: not amount of data written |
| 10:58.26 | bilss | hi |
| 10:58.33 | wols_ | for that, something in /proc might work |
| 10:58.40 | cyzie | wols_, as fars as i read man hdparm. it only has read not write. |
| 10:58.50 | bilss | wols diabled IPV6 got this in logs ul 1 11:51:33 xstation postfix/postdrop[4443]: warning: inet_protocols: IPv6 support is disabled: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 10:58.50 | bilss | Jul 1 11:51:33 xstation postfix/postdrop[4443]: warning: inet_protocols: configuring for IPv4 support only |
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| 10:59.26 | rhalff | hi I try to install the public key, but I still get http://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 10:59.40 | rhalff | I've tried these instructions: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 10:59.56 | ktwilight | there has been an issue with it since yesterday rhalff, if i'm not wrong |
| 11:00.05 | ktwilight | even etch is giving problems, for me. |
| 11:00.32 | cyzie | wols_, i think hdparm dont do the job. |
| 11:00.45 | cyzie | i mean hdparm cannot do what i intended in my quest |
| 11:00.45 | rhalff | ktwilight, ah ok, I'll just ignore it then :) |
| 11:00.55 | ktwilight | :) |
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| 11:01.03 | ktwilight | show nothing... |
| 11:01.08 | ktwilight | s/show/shows |
| 11:01.16 | ktwilight | oops |
| 11:01.25 | ktwilight | wrong chan :/ |
| 11:01.53 | wols_ | #debian is never the wrong chan. unless you're spamming :) |
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| 11:03.08 | bilss | wols_ ul 1 11:51:33 xstation postfix/postdrop[4443]: warning: inet_protocols: IPv6 support is disabled: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 11:03.08 | bilss | Jul 1 11:51:33 xstation postfix/postdrop[4443]: warning: inet_protocols: configuring for IPv4 support only before when I did netstat -tld smtp appeared in tcp and tcp6 |
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| 11:04.06 | cyzie | wols_, quiet already? |
| 11:04.23 | g333k | Hi, when I'm trying to add my parallel printer to CUPS I cant see any partport device in the list, why? |
| 11:04.27 | wols_ | I told you to look in /proc |
| 11:04.31 | ktwilight | i wasn't spamming wols :'( |
| 11:04.44 | wols_ | ktwilight: I didn't say you ewre |
| 11:04.58 | cahoot | g333k: no lpt? |
| 11:05.00 | ktwilight | :'( you're confusing me |
| 11:05.14 | ktwilight | anywayz, lunch, hungry... *growls* |
| 11:05.36 | g333k | cahoot, yes there is a LPT #1 |
| 11:05.55 | cahoot | g333k: I'd guess that's the one |
| 11:06.28 | superlinux | how can I remove an LDAP entry? I have slapdadd command.. but is there slaprm? or slapremove? |
| 11:07.54 | g333k | cahoot, woa! it is printing now |
| 11:08.16 | cyzie | wols_, i think iostat is the answer, not hdparm |
| 11:08.39 | g333k | cahoot, I havent turn on this printer since 2 years ago |
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| 11:09.35 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: It still says it cannot find the kernel sources. |
| 11:09.53 | ricky_clarkson | I'm not sure where it's looking, and that configure file is bloody huge. |
| 11:09.53 | undesktop | ok, now I know why I couldn't connect to the internet: swsusp crippled my networking somehow! and it didn't happen with suspend2 *sigh* |
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| 11:10.16 | undesktop | so I'll kick everyone into his face who says swsusp would be better than suspend2 in any way |
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| 11:12.34 | bilss | wols_ i have stopped dooering around and disabled IPV6 |
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| 11:15.27 | fourat | !paster |
| 11:15.27 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:15.33 | undesktop | I have the following problem: connection to the internet (DSL using pppoe with an ethernet card) works only after I executed pppoeconfig once... but the set of modules before and after it is the same |
| 11:15.46 | undesktop | how can I connect to the internet without calling pppoeconfig first? |
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| 11:18.38 | zaher | wols: i've succesfully built some deb files from the ati-driver-installer-8.26.18-x86.run file, now what should i do? |
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| 11:21.15 | Karnaugh | now |
| 11:21.19 | Karnaugh | this is a slight problem |
| 11:21.21 | Karnaugh | jupiter:~# aptitude update |
| 11:21.21 | Karnaugh | Reading package lists... Done |
| 11:21.21 | Karnaugh | Segmentation faulty tree... 50% |
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| 11:21.31 | Karnaugh | 3 lines? |
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| 11:21.35 | Karnaugh | you must be joking |
| 11:21.51 | Karnaugh | jupiter:~# aptitude update \n Reading package lists... Done \n Segmentation faulty tree... 50% |
| 11:22.05 | zaher | i've succesfully built some deb files from the ati-driver-installer-8.26.18-x86.run file, now what should i do? |
| 11:22.05 | Karnaugh | retarded bot |
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| 11:22.21 | zaher | can anyone help? |
| 11:22.27 | Ian_J | hi, any of you guys had anyone complain of X not starting when placing .xsession or .xinitrc in a users home directory? |
| 11:22.50 | Ian_J | the file only has to exist it seems and X refuses to start |
| 11:23.05 | ricky_clarkson | Karnaugh: 4 lines in 2 seconds, as it appeared to me. |
| 11:23.59 | Karnaugh | ricky_clarkson: its still retarded, I'm not going to bother using a paste site for 3 lines |
| 11:24.42 | Karnaugh | anyway, how the hell do I fix my aptitude now if I can't update |
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| 11:26.28 | cahoot | Ian_J: wrong owner? |
| 11:26.47 | Ian_J | cahoot, heh, I'm not that daft :) |
| 11:27.19 | cahoot | Ian_J: but english? |
| 11:27.27 | Ian_J | of course |
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| 11:28.33 | Ian_J | brb, going to try something |
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| 11:28.43 | cahoot | Ian_J: thought you might be a bit nervous - with the game coming up in a few hrs |
| 11:29.11 | Karnaugh | ok, nm, I'll go to #debian-I'mnotafuckingidiotthanks |
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| 11:30.04 | abrotman | only one person in that channel |
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| 11:33.00 | blondie | tantrums detected |
| 11:33.12 | amphi | blondie: that's 'tantra' ;) |
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| 11:36.39 | wols_ | zamaliphe: install them/it with dpkg -i |
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| 11:36.57 | abrotman | !tell root___ about root |
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| 11:37.09 | abrotman | yeah .. thought so |
| 11:37.51 | wols_ | what's scarier? that one someone comes in here with nick root___ or that there must be 3 other additional idi^H^H^Hchallened persons on the network with the same affliction? |
| 11:38.04 | abrotman | heheh |
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| 11:38.56 | blondie | amphi: nah, tantrums is the correct plural :P |
| 11:39.26 | wols_ | another reason why english is not considered a language or having grammar |
| 11:39.38 | blondie | wols_: except that it is. |
| 11:39.43 | wols_ | doN't forget to use datums in the future too |
| 11:40.10 | blondie | wols_: well, the singular "datum" is hardly ever used :) |
| 11:40.26 | Eureka | How do I figure out why a mount is busy? I checked, but couldn't find who is using it. I also tried to unmount with option -l lazy, but it seems to lie to me as when I change the partition table with fdisk it requires a reboot? |
| 11:40.32 | wols_ | depends on the language :) |
| 11:40.38 | wols_ | Datum = date in german |
| 11:40.45 | blondie | x.x |
| 11:40.46 | wols_ | Eureka: lsof or fuser |
| 11:40.58 | abrotman | Eureka: fuser or lsof |
| 11:41.00 | blondie | at least English doesn't have pointless "gender" of nouns! |
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| 11:41.25 | wols_ | as I said: no grammar. no language |
| 11:41.38 | ricky_clarkson | "I bought a boat. She is beautiful." |
| 11:41.41 | blondie | ... |
| 11:41.58 | blondie | ricky_clarkson: that's not really correct though, it's just being affectionate |
| 11:41.59 | wols_ | english also only has a bastardized cripple of declension |
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| 11:42.02 | wols_ | same for conjugation |
| 11:42.05 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: no .. that's habit .. not forced |
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| 11:42.07 | ricky_clarkson | blondie: No, it's correct. |
| 11:42.16 | abrotman | it's not correct |
| 11:42.21 | ricky_clarkson | Bullshit. |
| 11:42.28 | abrotman | you're right .. it's bullshit you'd even think it |
| 11:43.23 | abrotman | do british also say "She's a beautiful car" ? |
| 11:43.37 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
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| 11:44.00 | abrotman | americans do |
| 11:44.21 | blondie | the only reason people use "she" for boats is because they give them silly female names |
| 11:44.22 | liable | no, boats have always been reffered to as she |
| 11:44.37 | blondie | but "it" is the correct word to use |
| 11:44.48 | blondie | liable: "reffered"? |
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| 11:45.03 | abrotman | it's a habit .. not like saying el caballo |
| 11:45.10 | ricky_clarkson | blondie: Both she and it are correct. |
| 11:45.24 | liable | blondie: yes, i spell like shit |
| 11:45.29 | abrotman | but it's not REQUIRED to use "she" |
| 11:45.36 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Not as bad as the HTTP spec. |
| 11:45.40 | ricky_clarkson | 'referer' |
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| 11:46.15 | blondie | ricky_clarkson: "it" is more correct |
| 11:46.24 | ricky_clarkson | blondie: You're wrong. |
| 11:46.30 | ma3x | how do I find out the release date of a certain package? |
| 11:46.30 | blondie | DENIED |
| 11:46.32 | roxy_ | I am learning advanced regexp. what is the biggest file on a debian system I could use to train ? |
| 11:46.47 | abrotman | ma3x: the date in the mirror? |
| 11:46.48 | blondie | roxy_: what? |
| 11:46.52 | Maulkin | roxy_: What sort of data do you want? |
| 11:47.00 | ma3x | abrotman, must I always manually open the mirror in a browser? |
| 11:47.08 | roxy_ | Maulkin: any, mix of numbers and text |
| 11:47.27 | abrotman | ma3x: dunno .. i never tried to find this out |
| 11:47.40 | roxy_ | Maulkin: something like apache conf, but I don't have it at home |
| 11:47.44 | liable | http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=738271 |
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| 11:47.56 | Maulkin | roxy_: How about: cat /dev/urandom | strings |
| 11:48.13 | abrotman | if that fails .. try the manual for emacs |
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| 11:48.36 | Maulkin | or 'man bash' |
| 11:48.44 | Maulkin | That'll have a lot of data |
| 11:49.10 | roxy_ | Maulkin: man bash is nice, how can I get a text file out of it ? |
| 11:49.20 | ricky_clarkson | Or the configure script for eagle-usb, which claims not to find kernel sources, but doesn't seem too keen on announcing where it is looking for them. |
| 11:49.25 | zaher | i have successfully made some *.deb files from ati-driver-installer-8.26.18-x86.run from ati site. also installed them, but now nothing is happening, what should i di now? |
| 11:49.29 | blondie | roxy_: > of course ;) |
| 11:49.41 | Maulkin | roxy_: man man |
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| 11:50.50 | roxy_ | Maulkin, blondie: thanks. Give me an hour and I'll be regex king :-) |
| 11:51.06 | ma3x | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 11:51.06 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.11 | ma3x | what should I do about that? |
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| 11:55.06 | ma3x | why is this package ' linux-kbuild-2.6.17 ' not available? |
| 11:55.42 | ricky_clarkson | ma3x: What distro? |
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| 11:56.30 | ma3x | ricky_clarkson, unstable |
| 11:56.39 | liable | !lose ma3x |
| 11:56.40 | dpkg | ma3x: You Lose. |
| 11:57.10 | liable | ma3x: dude, you should know better than that, to run unstable and ask silly wuestions like that.. |
| 11:57.16 | ricky_clarkson | ma3x: Ah, better use that testing/stable install that you kept around for cases like this. |
| 11:57.22 | ma3x | liable, why is that silly? |
| 11:57.41 | ma3x | just tell me, is it my fault, or has the package not been released yet? |
| 11:57.50 | ricky_clarkson | ma3x: Because unstable has insufficient quality control and hence broken packages are normal in unstable. |
| 11:57.52 | abrotman | place your bets! |
| 11:58.01 | ma3x | I mean how can debian people release package which depends on a non existing package? |
| 11:58.08 | ma3x | that's bullshit |
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| 11:58.14 | cahoot | correct |
| 11:58.15 | abrotman | don't listen to this guy .. he thinks a boat has to be a she |
| 11:58.16 | streuner | haha |
| 11:58.22 | liable | ma3x: yes, they do it on purpose... |
| 11:58.38 | ma3x | really/ |
| 11:58.40 | ma3x | but why? |
| 11:58.49 | abrotman | ma3x: welcome to unstable .. please keep your hands and legs inside the ride at all times |
| 11:58.51 | liable | although, in the case of xfce4 lately, it seems as though they did.. |
| 11:58.54 | streuner | ma3x: oh, you have fun today? ;-) |
| 11:58.58 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Kindly read what I actually write, instead of what you'd like to think I write. |
| 11:59.05 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i did |
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| 11:59.20 | ricky_clarkson | I never said that boats have to be 'she', I said they can be. |
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| 11:59.28 | abrotman | sure you did |
| 12:00.10 | blondie | lol |
| 12:00.15 | blondie | tell them in #macosx |
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| 12:00.18 | blondie | they're very... Smug |
| 12:00.27 | abrotman | i know .. i've been in there |
| 12:00.40 | blondie | OMG APPLE WE LOVE YOU |
| 12:00.58 | infernix | abrotman: so did you manage to set up cyrus?:) |
| 12:01.11 | abrotman | infernix: mostly |
| 12:01.12 | liable | gah, i am having a war with an apple fanboy here atm.. |
| 12:01.21 | abrotman | still not the SMTP part |
| 12:02.27 | abrotman | see what happens .. you mock ma3x .. and he leaves |
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| 12:02.31 | streuner | liable: what do you think about the game yesterday (.de vs .ar)? |
| 12:02.45 | ricky_clarkson | wtf is eagle-usb.org in Foreign? |
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| 12:03.02 | liable | streuner: i didnt see, i am working atm, and i cant afford to stay up till the wee hours :( |
| 12:03.11 | abrotman | streuner: no way .. tells them how to install sid |
| 12:03.31 | streuner | well, you didn't read the FAQ then :-) |
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| 12:03.43 | liable | streuner: who won? |
| 12:03.48 | abrotman | it used to.. i stopped giving it to people |
| 12:04.10 | SkareCrow | Time for bed (01/07/2006 5:07:09) ~ Good Night Everyone! |
| 12:04.11 | streuner | liable: germany, with luck... |
| 12:04.19 | abrotman | streuner: you putz .. it does tell you how to get to sid |
| 12:04.23 | vin` | lots of it |
| 12:04.49 | abrotman | liable has a job? |
| 12:05.00 | streuner | abrotman: it tells you that unstable could be a PITA and you have some knowledge in order to run... |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | How do I install sid? |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | The canonical answer is: You don't. You can only upgrade to it from stable or testing. You do that by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing your sources from stable to unstable. |
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| 12:05.22 | abrotman | from the FAQ |
| 12:05.36 | liable | abrotman: i have always had a job, its just that i dont actually have to do much very often.. :P |
| 12:05.47 | abrotman | liable: you're a US Senator? |
| 12:06.20 | liable | heh, i think i could prolly do a better job than a US senator |
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| 12:06.48 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 12:06.58 | wols_ | lordlamer: you have low ambition |
| 12:07.12 | wols_ | *grrr* |
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| 12:07.20 | liable | poor guy only just joined.. |
| 12:07.33 | lordlamer | wols_, ??? |
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| 12:09.22 | zaher | anyone successfull in installing ati driver in sarge? |
| 12:09.30 | streuner | !ati |
| 12:09.31 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 12:11.59 | wols_ | lordlamer: nick complete error |
| 12:12.10 | lordlamer | ;) |
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| 12:12.23 | wols_ | zaher: what happened when you dpkig -i the debs? |
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| 12:12.47 | wols_ | *dpkg |
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| 12:16.30 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:16.30 | dpkg | <hotdog> how do i join the debian channel? |
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| 12:17.35 | undesktop | ok let's try it the stupid way |
| 12:17.35 | undesktop | where can I get help to install my DSL modem? |
| 12:17.49 | fasta | What happened to X11/Xutil.h? |
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| 12:18.01 | zinx | undesktop: does it have an ethernet port? |
| 12:18.05 | wols_ | undesktop: your ISP |
| 12:18.05 | abrotman | !tell fasta about search |
| 12:18.09 | fasta | I try to compile something which includes it, but apparently it has vanished. |
| 12:18.09 | liable | fasta: /msg dpk search? |
| 12:18.15 | undesktop | zinx: it does |
| 12:18.20 | undesktop | wols_: nice joke |
| 12:18.23 | zinx | undesktop: Use the ethernet port. |
| 12:18.24 | fasta | liable: I did apt-file already. |
| 12:18.24 | undesktop | wols_: but not funny |
| 12:18.39 | fasta | liable: does dpk do more? |
| 12:19.02 | wols_ | fasta: packages.debian.org and look for it there |
| 12:19.10 | undesktop | to be honest, my internet connection works; it's just that I have to execute pppoeconfig after each reboot |
| 12:19.20 | zinx | undesktop: many ISPs ship the modems preconfigured, so all you have to do is plug it in to the wall (after installing filters everywhere), and then plug your computer in to it via ethernet |
| 12:19.20 | fasta | wols_: So, you say apt-file doesn't find all files? |
| 12:19.21 | undesktop | and this can't be the way how things work, can it? |
| 12:19.37 | zinx | after each reboot? o_O |
| 12:19.39 | wols_ | fasta: ready more carefully what I say |
| 12:19.43 | undesktop | zinx: oh right, the problem is the OS: Debian |
| 12:19.50 | zinx | afaik, debian doesn't overwrite those config files |
| 12:19.53 | wols_ | undesktop: what happens if you don't run pppoeconfig? what error message? |
| 12:20.04 | liable | fasta: are you running etch or what? |
| 12:20.05 | undesktop | wols_: network down |
| 12:20.07 | zinx | undesktop: if you're having to do pppoe, it sounds like you got a dumb router |
| 12:20.08 | fasta | wols_: Well, it would be completely useless to look somewhere which does not search in more places. |
| 12:20.11 | zinx | erh, dumb DSL modem |
| 12:20.12 | liable | fasta: its there in sid.. |
| 12:20.30 | undesktop | zinx: maybe, since it's a pretty dumb ISP |
| 12:20.31 | zinx | undesktop: you probably need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:20.31 | liable | fasta: libx11-dev |
| 12:20.34 | wols_ | zinx: dumb ISP more likely |
| 12:20.44 | fasta | liable: Try apt-file update, and try again. |
| 12:20.48 | fasta | liable: it's not. |
| 12:20.55 | undesktop | !paster |
| 12:20.56 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:21.15 | liable | fasta: point, havent done that in a while |
| 12:21.36 | undesktop | this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2990 |
| 12:21.55 | undesktop | pppoeconfig saves its stuff under "dsl-provider" I think |
| 12:22.15 | fasta | liable: Thus the question stands: what happened to it? |
| 12:22.42 | liable | fasta: your right, its gone |
| 12:22.53 | zinx | undesktop: that.. is wrong |
| 12:23.11 | abrotman | you're |
| 12:23.16 | undesktop | zinx: is it? I didn't touch it |
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| 12:23.24 | fasta | liable: GL/glx.h depends on it.... |
| 12:23.29 | zinx | undesktop: it looks wrong to me anyway.. the interface name, at least |
| 12:23.29 | wols_ | undesktop: you're right. zínx is wrong |
| 12:23.31 | fasta | Bad Stuff :( |
| 12:23.39 | wols_ | zinx: it's all alright |
| 12:23.45 | zinx | k |
| 12:23.49 | wols_ | undesktop: can you answer my question? |
| 12:24.17 | undesktop | actually, I don't need to run pppoeconfig completely, I can kill it when it tries to find sends this PADI stuff; after that, the command "pon dsl-provider" suceeds and I'm connected to the inernet |
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| 12:24.41 | fasta | liable: A new GL/glx.h should come from my graphics card vendor? |
| 12:24.48 | undesktop | wols_: you want the exact error message? I have to find it, please wait |
| 12:24.53 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 12:24.55 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:24.59 | wols_ | if possible yes. whatever is in syslog |
| 12:25.17 | streuner | undesktop: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/internet.html#id1104152 |
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| 12:26.54 | abrotman | fasta: hold on |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | fasta: libx11-dev: /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h |
| 12:27.24 | fasta | abrotman: Did you already do apt-file update? |
| 12:27.37 | fasta | abrotman: I got the same result, then updated, and it wasn't there anymore. |
| 12:27.41 | undesktop | wols_: here is it http://channels.debian.net/paste/2991 |
| 12:27.41 | abrotman | fasta: i used dpkg -S Xutil.h .. i had it installed |
| 12:27.48 | abrotman | fasta: eh .. it's broken |
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| 12:27.57 | undesktop | wols_: I first do some unseccesfull tries, then I run pppoeconfig and tried it again |
| 12:28.04 | fasta | abrotman: Well, that's consistent with what I see. |
| 12:28.06 | fasta | abrotman: :) |
| 12:28.28 | abrotman | fasta: bugs.debian.org/apt-file |
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| 12:29.22 | wols_ | undesktop: what dsl modem is this? |
| 12:29.33 | fasta | abrotman: what is broken? apt-file? But libx11-dev can't be installed. |
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| 12:29.36 | abrotman | !tell Mtraker about away |
| 12:29.38 | abrotman | again |
| 12:29.38 | fasta | abrotman: Or are they both broken? |
| 12:29.49 | abrotman | apt-file is broken .. or curl .. one of them |
| 12:30.00 | Mtraker | sorry |
| 12:30.12 | Mtraker | see u later |
| 12:30.15 | abrotman | Mtraker: please configure your client not to do that |
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| 12:30.17 | abrotman | or not |
| 12:30.19 | fasta | abrotman: libx11-dev can't be installed either |
| 12:30.21 | SNow | how to do directory writeable with subdirectories and files? |
| 12:30.24 | abrotman | why not?! |
| 12:30.26 | SNow | ?? |
| 12:30.34 | abrotman | man chmod |
| 12:30.42 | SNow | I know chmod, but what numbers |
| 12:30.42 | SNow | 755 |
| 12:30.47 | SNow | chmod -R 755 directory |
| 12:30.47 | undesktop | wols_: how what? it's just a DSL modem connected over ethernet |
| 12:30.49 | SNow | doesnt work |
| 12:30.50 | wols_ | chmod a+w |
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| 12:30.59 | fasta | abrotman: E: Couldn't find package libxll-dev That's why. |
| 12:31.00 | abrotman | man chmod .. again |
| 12:31.03 | wols_ | undesktop: cause the ethernet link is down for some reason |
| 12:31.05 | abrotman | fasta: sarge? |
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| 12:31.08 | wols_ | it should be up immediately |
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| 12:31.18 | cahoot | SNow: you want recusion? |
| 12:31.27 | cahoot | SNow: recursion |
| 12:31.29 | undesktop | wols_: so maybe pppoeconfig brings it up |
| 12:31.31 | fasta | abrotman: no, (then I am out of luck?) |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | fasta: you're on testing/sid ? |
| 12:31.43 | wols_ | undesktop: I can't understand how tbh |
| 12:31.44 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
| 12:31.53 | wols_ | only thing I can thing of is a ifconfig eth0 up or such |
| 12:31.56 | abrotman | fasta: eh .. works here |
| 12:31.59 | abrotman | fasta: apt-get update first |
| 12:32.22 | undesktop | wols_: maybe it's because the network drivers get loaded after the network is intialized or so? |
| 12:32.23 | wols_ | so check next time after boot if it's showing up in "ifconfig". if not bring it up and then try |
| 12:32.25 | fasta | abrotman: I updated yesterday... Does development go that fast? |
| 12:32.34 | abrotman | fasta: moment |
| 12:32.46 | undesktop | wols_: yes, i'll do that |
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| 12:32.51 | ThomasPorter | Hey all |
| 12:32.59 | abrotman | fasta: http://packages.debian.org/testing/libdevel/libx11-dev |
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| 12:33.32 | fasta | abrotman: When I open synaptic I do see the package... weirdness. |
| 12:33.35 | ThomasPorter | My vnstat shows how much uploads/downlods have been used up, how would I figure out where those uploads/downloads originated from (eg: what website in /var/www) |
| 12:33.40 | wols_ | ah, undesktop has the same shitty ISP like me :) |
| 12:34.02 | abrotman | fasta: agreed |
| 12:34.08 | undesktop | wols_: ha |
| 12:34.22 | undesktop | wols_: hey, I even had a Teledat modem once :-) |
| 12:34.45 | wols_ | after that big white brute one died |
| 12:34.47 | fasta | abrotman: Never mind, the icon just indicates that there's an update and it's green because I already have it. |
| 12:35.10 | fasta | abrotman: Do mind, it does work :? |
| 12:35.14 | undesktop | wols_: ouch, I remember the problems I had with it when I tried using it under Linux |
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| 12:35.33 | wols_ | always worked fine. teledat with ethernet however |
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| 12:36.12 | undesktop | in my case it was some ISDN modem connected with the computer by USB... |
| 12:36.25 | Thanatermesis | maybe im wrong but... etch not has changed to the kernel 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 recently ? i look actually only 2.6.15 |
| 12:36.25 | Supaplex | weird |
| 12:37.10 | wols_ | true fun is using a eumex504 under linux :) precompiled binary only driver... |
| 12:37.15 | wols_ | without any updates |
| 12:37.19 | Supaplex | Thanatermesis: why? with kp you can just roll your own. besides, nvidia-kernel-source is setteling down with some changes in 2.6.16+ |
| 12:38.36 | abrotman | fasta: get it form the website i guess |
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| 12:38.39 | Shilda | hello |
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| 12:39.22 | Thanatermesis | Supaplex, mmmh... then on etch we have back from 2.6.16 to 2.6.15 ? |
| 12:40.03 | pumpkin0 | Is there a tool/script that executes another script/file if a network interface has not been used for XY min ? (i would like to safe some power by auto-disableing the WLAN on my laptop). |
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| 12:40.55 | Supaplex | Thanatermesis: I infer 2.6.15 is in etch and 2.6.16 or newer is in sid. |
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| 12:41.32 | scott | hey guys... |
| 12:41.34 | Supaplex | is this a question about if kp can build your latest kernel or not, or just why isn't 2.6.26 in etch? |
| 12:41.43 | Supaplex | er 2.6.16 |
| 12:42.36 | scott | I have mounted a USB External Drive in Debian, I can access it in console as root, but not outside console as a normal user - can someone help me? it is an NTFS drive, I need to take info off it and then format it FAT32 at the end... |
| 12:42.43 | fasta | abrotman: Get what from the website? |
| 12:42.48 | abrotman | the .deb |
| 12:43.05 | fasta | abrotman: I have been able to install it, but it doesn't contain that file. |
| 12:43.12 | Thanatermesis | Supaplex, well, just a question, from my memory i have look it... but maybe im wrong |
| 12:43.19 | abrotman | eh |
| 12:43.34 | fasta | abrotman: never mind, it does. |
| 12:43.34 | abrotman | it's on my system ... from that package |
| 12:43.36 | abrotman | yay |
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| 12:43.43 | fasta | abrotman: yay |
| 12:44.23 | Thanatermesis | Supaplex, another question, im building my kernel, but the directory on /lib/modules is called normally "2.6.15", yes ? how change this name to for example "2.6.15-thana-1" (for compatibility with another posibles kernels, only with the --revision set ? |
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| 12:46.13 | Supaplex | Thanatermesis: granted, but what else are you trying to do? you want to configure your kernel to match a previous build to keep them the same or something? |
| 12:48.22 | Thanatermesis | no no...i have just asked for the 2.6.16 for build a more recent kernel if is available ;) but aparently not is here actually |
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| 12:51.54 | scott | can anyone tell me what hal does? |
| 12:52.25 | fasta | !hal |
| 12:52.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 12:53.01 | scott | fasta: how do i use it? cause i am having probs here :( |
| 12:53.26 | fasta | scott: If you want documentation go to freedesktop.org |
| 12:54.46 | scott | k |
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| 12:59.09 | Shilda | Anyone use pat-proxy for testing clients ? I have some Ť MD5Sum mismatch ť since I have installed gpg key for apt |
| 12:59.18 | Shilda | apt-proxy |
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| 13:13.05 | rayman | I get this warning from configure: WARNING: GTK+ not usable, need at least version 2.0. I have libgtk2.0-dev installed. |
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| 13:15.11 | roxy_ | what is a dcc exploit ? |
| 13:15.27 | rayman | In pkg-config --list-all I see gtk+-2.0. |
| 13:15.39 | rayman | What might be wrong? |
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| 13:16.09 | sevo_ | a dcc exploit uses your irc client to access your files |
| 13:16.20 | blondie | no |
| 13:16.33 | blondie | sevo_: it might do, but that's not usually the case ;) |
| 13:16.43 | sevo_ | okay, it's one possibility :) |
| 13:16.45 | wols_ | a dcc exploit is a simply an exploit which uses dcc as its vector of attack |
| 13:16.58 | diepes | :-D |
| 13:17.06 | blondie | and then your client (or router) crashes |
| 13:17.07 | wols_ | in this case an affected router will drop the connection when it receives such a dcc attempt |
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| 13:18.50 | stew | rayman: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 13:19.08 | rayman | stew: ghc (haskell.org/ghc) |
| 13:19.28 | roxy_ | sevo_, wols_ , blondie: thanks |
| 13:19.32 | rayman | stew: But I have it with other gtk things as well. |
| 13:19.42 | rayman | stew: Something changed in Debian. |
| 13:19.55 | stew | rayman: why are you compiling it instead of just apt-getting it? |
| 13:19.58 | rayman | stew: (or in the latest versions of those tools) |
| 13:20.27 | rayman | stew: because I stumbled upon some other weird behaviour in an older version. |
| 13:20.46 | stew | rayman: apt-get build-dep ghc6 |
| 13:21.08 | stew | rayman: that should install everything you need for recompiling the package |
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| 13:24.43 | Thanatermesis | i have made a package with make-kpkg... but the dir is called /lib/modules/2.6.15, how i can change it to another for example "/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-thana-386" ? |
| 13:24.44 | rayman | stew: Doesn't help. I still get the GTK message. |
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| 13:25.54 | stew | Thanatermesis: use the --append-to-version option to make-kpkg |
| 13:26.17 | Thanatermesis | thx |
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| 13:32.11 | xauth | Any gpg problems known at security.debian.org, apt-get update? |
| 13:32.14 | Xgates | say anyone know how to fix this: ---> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 13:32.21 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me how i can find my internal IP address? please? |
| 13:32.27 | asg | brownie17: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:32.39 | stew | xauth: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 13:32.41 | brownie17 | asg, that a text file? |
| 13:32.47 | asg | brownie17: no, it's a program |
| 13:32.54 | asg | brownie17: /etc/network/interfaces is the config |
| 13:33.44 | brownie17 | asg, if i paste that to you can you tell me which part is my internal ip? it looks quite a bit like jargon to me |
| 13:33.52 | asg | brownie17: /msg dpkg paster |
| 13:33.58 | asg | brownie17: use that to paste the output |
| 13:34.26 | xauth | Key is alright. Only security.debian.org shows a problem: |
| 13:34.52 | xauth | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 13:34.57 | blondie | brownie17: run /sbin/ifconfig and look for "inet addr:" |
| 13:35.18 | brownie17 | asg, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2992 |
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| 13:35.27 | brownie17 | blondie, are you sure that's my internal IP adress? |
| 13:35.33 | xauth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.44 | brownie17 | blondie, there is inet and inet6 addr |
| 13:35.58 | asg | brownie17: inet addr:10.1.1.3 |
| 13:36.27 | blondie | brownie17: what asg said |
| 13:36.28 | asg | brownie17: inet is ipv4, inet6 is ipv6 |
| 13:36.46 | brownie17 | asg, is that static? or will it be changing? |
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| 13:37.01 | asg | brownie17: look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:37.21 | asg | brownie17: if dhcp is mentioned in the eth0 line, then it will likely change. Otherwise, it's static. |
| 13:38.12 | brownie17 | blondie, asg, thanks |
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| 13:41.00 | xauth | Aha. The Release.gpg file on security.debian.org is indeed empty. That's not good, I'd say. |
| 13:41.16 | xauth | Who do I tell about this? |
| 13:41.27 | cahoot | XaMaD: it's well known |
| 13:41.38 | cahoot | xauth: ^^ |
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| 13:42.30 | robin_sz | greetings, I have a Xerox Phaser 840 plugged in to this box, by USB ... now, how, exactly do I configure it so I can actually print? |
| 13:42.53 | robin_sz | linux printing always seems to defeat me in some random way :( |
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| 13:44.34 | Gathond | robin_sz: I've found it to depend alot on the printer, every PS printer I've had has been a breeze while every "winprinter" has been a pain |
| 13:45.06 | mad_muppet | I have downloaded the debian-31r2-ia64-binary-1 but when I burn it to disk it doesnt start installing when I reboot? |
| 13:45.28 | robin_sz | Gathond, right ... so, this is a PS printer ... so it should be a snap ... so, what do I type? |
| 13:45.29 | Gathond | if the printer supports PS and your kernel has the USB printer driver, you should be able to just cat a .ps file into the printers device /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 13:46.24 | Gathond | if that works then you should be able to just install cups and select some generic .ps printer (if the actual one aint there) that is if you want to use cups and not lpd or lprng |
| 13:46.39 | asg | robin_sz: a good place to start is linuxprinting.org |
| 13:47.06 | robin_sz | I already have cups set up for my HP laserjet, but I forget exactly how I managed to get that configured |
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| 13:48.18 | cocozz | Hi, is there any QT interface for amule/mldonkey ? |
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| 13:50.05 | wols_ | Gathond: all lasers are a breeze except winprinters |
| 13:50.12 | wols_ | PCL ones work fine too |
| 13:50.40 | pi^no^ | cocozz: kmldonkey,i think |
| 13:50.43 | Akbar | cocozz, kmldonkey |
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| 13:51.08 | cocozz | k, ill try it thanks |
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| 13:51.48 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 13:52.00 | superlinux | Ill be happy to help newbies |
| 13:53.27 | cinix | I recently upgraded Debian (I believe it's related), and now I GNOME doesn't recognize what a PNG file is. Has anyone else run into this? I'm trying to track down the affected package. |
| 13:54.17 | ktwilight | it's normal it hink |
| 13:54.29 | ktwilight | just re-recognise it in gnome, and it'll save. |
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| 13:55.14 | cinix | Yea I described it bad :) It won't load a PNG file, and some programs even crash when it tries. |
| 13:55.23 | Akbar | cinix, even eog? |
| 13:55.28 | superlinux | you know what I liked the old gnome much the one that was with redhat 6.2 |
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| 13:55.39 | superlinux | it was really fast |
| 13:56.00 | Akbar | was that gtk1? |
| 13:56.13 | r_marvin | yeah, trolls were subtler too in the old days |
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| 13:56.31 | Cae2 | I have a dual core processor, should I use a smp kernel? |
| 13:56.42 | asg | Cae2: you can |
| 13:56.42 | Cae2 | my dual core isnt HT |
| 13:56.45 | Akbar | gnome 2.14 runs fine on etch on my box so define 'real fast' :P |
| 13:56.50 | ktwilight | cinix, have you tried opening it with a browser? |
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| 13:56.54 | cinix | Akbar: I could configure X to try and only run that program at startup, but at the moment I can't get into GNOME enough to start anythign |
| 13:56.55 | r_marvin | Cae2: it's closer to real smp than ht :) |
| 13:57.05 | _stev_ | is it possible to have a different window manager for each workspace? |
| 13:57.18 | Akbar | cinix, eog = default app to open images in gnome |
| 13:57.26 | cinix | It's like the libraries for PNG aren't there, and so all programs fail. |
| 13:57.30 | asg | _stev_: no, though you could run multiple X servers with different wms |
| 13:57.32 | superlinux | Akbar, it was simple and small now I find it bulky and I like now KDE more |
| 13:57.36 | Akbar | ah? all apps? |
| 13:57.53 | cinix | All the icons in the corners of programs are PNG, the splash screen is PNG, the desktop is PNG |
| 13:57.56 | Akbar | superlinux, well yeah I find gnome prettier :P |
| 13:58.15 | superlinux | Akbar, sure it's prettier |
| 13:58.25 | r_marvin | _stev_: i think you can have only one per X session |
| 13:58.29 | Akbar | cinix, libpng maybe? |
| 13:58.31 | Akbar | dunno |
| 13:58.32 | superlinux | but kde to me is much practical |
| 13:58.57 | infernix | occasionally my eth1 interface, connected to a DSL modem, seems to slow down incredibly, resulting in high pings and very low kb/s. a simple "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1" solves the problem. I am puzzled; i dont have trafficshaping enabled, but with or without does not seem to matter. kernel 2.6.16.19, debian sarge. any clues? maybe something with the tcpip stack? |
| 13:59.38 | cinix | Akbar: hmm, I see an older version available. I'll try it, bbs. |
| 14:00.09 | Akbar | superlinux I almost use all gtk apps so yeah.. and in what way you find kde more practical? |
| 14:00.45 | Akbar | (this is no flamewar) |
| 14:00.46 | Akbar | :P |
| 14:00.57 | r_marvin | superlinux: please don't turn this into a flamewar |
| 14:01.20 | superlinux | you know what I hate GNOME's current file manager.. and I am still used to windows ways of file managment thu I am now guru at networking |
| 14:01.32 | superlinux | linux networking |
| 14:01.42 | Akbar | linux networking? |
| 14:02.00 | Akbar | what's wrong with nautilus? |
| 14:02.57 | wols_ | Akbar: it's not exploder. |
| 14:02.58 | Akbar | you hate the filemanager but you are not saying why :) |
| 14:03.06 | robin_sz | OK, so I can cat a .ps file to /dev/usb/lp0 and it works fine ... now, to set up CUPS right? |
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| 14:03.38 | cinix | Are there GNOME session logs somewhere in my ~/ ? |
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| 14:03.53 | undesktop | !paster |
| 14:03.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:03.55 | superlinux | Akbar, stop arguing plz .. I just hate it donno what made me hate it.. I don't feel comfortable using it |
| 14:04.09 | Akbar | alright hahah |
| 14:04.15 | robin_sz | you know what my perfect filemanager is? |
| 14:04.20 | _stev_ | asg: default there is only one xserver right? So I, can't start another xsession when I do ctrl-alt F2 for example...how can I solve this? |
| 14:04.24 | robin_sz | xterm and ;s :) |
| 14:04.26 | robin_sz | ls |
| 14:04.28 | robin_sz | even |
| 14:04.28 | Akbar | commandline? |
| 14:04.29 | Akbar | :P |
| 14:04.32 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 14:04.39 | asg | _stev_: startx -- :1 |
| 14:04.53 | undesktop | I still can't connect to the internet without executing pppoeconfig; when pppoeconfig is executed, tail -f /var/log/syslog outputs these lines: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2993 |
| 14:04.54 | asg | _stev_: will start another X server on the next available tty. |
| 14:04.56 | Akbar | me too but sometimes nautilus a few nanoseconds quicker :P |
| 14:05.00 | undesktop | anyone knows what pppoeconfig is doing? |
| 14:05.09 | Akbar | only sometimes with multiple files |
| 14:05.16 | wols_ | undesktop: so eth0 is up directly after boot? |
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| 14:05.47 | asg | _stev_: you can do startx --:n as many times as you have memory and ttys. Figuring out how to start a different wm is left as an exercise. (HINT: xinit + custom .xinitrc files) |
| 14:06.03 | wols_ | undesktop: remove the last line in your /etc/network/interfaces and replace it with "auto eth0" |
| 14:06.27 | undesktop | wols_: no it isn't, and "ifconfig up eth0" "doesn't work", it says: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2994 |
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| 14:07.17 | undesktop | wols_: ok, and the removed line is "pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 14:07.29 | undesktop | should I try again? |
| 14:07.47 | wols_ | ok, after booting up: ifconfig -a. If there is no eth0 shown you probably miss the NIC kernel module |
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| 14:07.54 | wols_ | put it into /etc/modules |
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| 14:08.05 | wols_ | yes that's the removed line |
| 14:08.57 | undesktop | ok, I'll try again |
| 14:09.08 | _stev_ | asg: this is great wow |
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| 14:10.14 | robin_sz | Akbar, I just get fed up with Nautilus and similar bloatware spending half its life creating thumbnail icons of things I am uninterested in. its sort of computing for mac users. |
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| 14:11.03 | Akbar | well yeah I like it because I've got alot of pictures, that way I can see which picture is which |
| 14:11.08 | aaronlin | Help! I just installed Etch and it worked fine yesterday, but now it says that the root filesystem cannot be found or mounted or something along those lines |
| 14:11.18 | Akbar | but you can turn it off |
| 14:11.41 | aaronlin | I think all the files are on /dev/hdc1...should I reinstall? Or will this problem keep recurring, because I didn't really touch any system files for this to happen |
| 14:11.51 | dvs | aaronlin: print the exact error message in pastebin.ca |
| 14:11.59 | robin_sz | Akbar, yeah, I found the command. apt-get remove nautilus |
| 14:12.30 | aaronlin | dvs: ok, let me reboot |
| 14:12.39 | robin_sz | that reminds me, must remove evolution while I remember |
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| 14:13.18 | Akbar | well yeah I always use apt-get remove --purge |
| 14:14.00 | robin_sz | so back to my printer ... ;) |
| 14:14.20 | robin_sz | damn, it is NICE :) |
| 14:14.25 | Akbar | haha |
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| 14:15.08 | Akbar | I need to have a nvidia card, ati sucks ;/ |
| 14:15.24 | Akbar | especially the linux drivers.. |
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| 14:15.46 | dvs | robin_sz: A LaserJet what? |
| 14:16.15 | robin_sz | mmm ... evern seen the IBM phaser printers? its LOVELY .. hot wax. I'm still trying to figure out how to drive it from Linux though ... I can cat to the device and it prints, but what about stuff like duplex printing, color correction profiles and all that? |
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| 14:16.32 | robin_sz | dvs, a Xerox Phaser hot wax printer |
| 14:16.47 | dvs | dye sublimation? |
| 14:16.49 | eyeris | How can I cause fsck to run with the bad block scan on my next reboot? |
| 14:17.00 | robin_sz | did I say IBM phaser just then? silly me |
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| 14:17.28 | wols_ | eyeris: change to single user mode and mount / read only |
| 14:17.40 | wols_ | but if you have bad blocks: buy a new harddisk, seriously |
| 14:17.49 | wols_ | remount / readonly that is |
| 14:17.49 | eyeris | wols: even if I want to fsck my root partition? |
| 14:18.06 | wols_ | you mentioned bad blocks |
| 14:18.13 | Rebecca | hey peoples. will any of the netinstalls produce a system that has full kernel acpm support but not udev? |
| 14:18.20 | wols_ | but same applies basically: remount it readonly and fsck it |
| 14:18.31 | eyeris | wols: I know that my hard drive needs to be replaced. Right now though I need to get some files to safety before it completely dies. Or at least try. |
| 14:18.36 | wols_ | Rebecca: what is acpm? |
| 14:18.47 | wols_ | there is apm and acpi. never heard of acpm |
| 14:18.56 | Rebecca | wols_: the power management system |
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| 14:19.05 | wols_ | there is no such thing as acpm |
| 14:19.13 | Rebecca | ok. acpi then |
| 14:19.36 | wols_ | and you can always compile your own kernel if you're not satisfied with debian choices. tho: udev is userspace and acpi kernel space. different things |
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| 14:20.10 | Rebecca | wols_: yeah. but the prevoius install had udev and it couldnt be removed neatly |
| 14:20.23 | errno_signal | hi guys, i recently tried to install windows (2k) onto a system that already had linux installed. the installation from cd completed without errors, but now, while grub bootloader is still in mbr, the partition layout for that disk is nuked. i can't cfdisk the disk for some reason, either. Is there a way for me to repair the parition layout? |
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| 14:20.51 | dvs | Rebecca: doesn't removing the udev package disable udev? |
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| 14:21.43 | Jemt | Is there a .deb with ClanBomber2.0.9 available somewhere? |
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| 14:22.00 | aaronlin | dvs: I wrote the error down |
| 14:22.03 | Rebecca | dvs: try it.. it will complain loudly about breaking the system |
| 14:22.09 | undesktop | wols_: it still doesn't work... eth0 now shows up after reboot, but trying to connect still shows the old error... and after running pppoeconf, it works |
| 14:22.53 | dvs | Rebecca: Well, I like udev. ;-) |
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| 14:23.29 | snd-ca0106 | hi if echo hello.class | grep -o .class returns .class what i've to do for it to return 'hello' ? |
| 14:23.49 | aaronlin | http://pastebin.ca/76353 |
| 14:24.11 | aaronlin | between line 4-6 there is this 2 minute pause |
| 14:24.19 | Rebecca | dvs: i would if it worked.. udev doesnt detect the printer port and many attempts to get it working failed. dev on the other hand detects it perfectly... but the system needs the advances powermanagement.. as it's a mobile embedded platform |
| 14:24.34 | superlinux | am back |
| 14:24.44 | wols_ | undesktop: which modem is it? |
| 14:24.57 | dvs | Rebecca: Did you load the usblp kernel module? |
| 14:25.29 | Rebecca | dvs: not to my knowledge |
| 14:25.29 | dvs | aaronlin: what type of drive is /dev/hdc |
| 14:25.32 | undesktop | wols_: Teledat 431 LAN (omfg it's still named "teledat") |
| 14:26.01 | aaronlin | dvs: IDE HDD |
| 14:26.22 | aaronlin | Ubuntu seems to have a similar problem...were the drive letters changed since install? |
| 14:26.26 | dvs | Rebecca: lsmod | grep usblp |
| 14:26.34 | wols_ | set eth0 to 192.169.212.1 and telnet to 192.169.212.213 port 64113 |
| 14:26.49 | Rebecca | dvs: grepped nothing |
| 14:26.51 | undesktop | wols_: sorry? |
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| 14:27.04 | cinix | Okay so I tried to use eog to open a PNG file, and it's not even listed as a support file type! |
| 14:27.11 | cinix | Neither is jpg |
| 14:27.22 | dvs | Rebecca: Then modprobe usblp |
| 14:27.27 | undesktop | wols_: btw. I just found pppoeconf now dumps different stuff into /etc/network/interface like in earlier versions; I'll try this |
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| 14:27.43 | dvs | aaronlin: fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
| 14:27.51 | undesktop | "printf '\niface dsl-provider inet ppp\nprovider dsl-provider\n' >> $INTFILE" |
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| 14:28.19 | Rebecca | dvs: modprobe: Can't locate module usblp] |
| 14:28.19 | undesktop | hm... allthough these lines were allready there, too bad |
| 14:28.24 | Rebecca | -] |
| 14:28.33 | dvs | Rebecca: really? as root? |
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| 14:29.01 | Rebecca | dvs: yeah |
| 14:29.06 | dvs | Rebecca: What kernel do you have? |
| 14:29.08 | aaronlin | http://pastebin.ca/76357 |
| 14:29.20 | Rebecca | debian:/home/rebecca/uc/c/parportdown# uname -a |
| 14:29.21 | Rebecca | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:29.47 | dvs | Rebecca: Oh. That's why. I'm using a 2.6 kernel. |
| 14:29.57 | Akbar | 12 aug? |
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| 14:30.08 | Akbar | 17 aug? wednesday? |
| 14:30.11 | Akbar | :S |
| 14:30.16 | Rebecca | Akbar: havnt bothered to set the date.... |
| 14:30.34 | Rebecca | dvs: ok. |
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| 14:30.54 | dvs | aaronlin: it looks OK to me. I'm not sure what it is then. |
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| 14:31.36 | robin_sz | sigh .. setting up CUPS seems way harder than Windows printer config :( |
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| 14:32.20 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: let´s retrace all steps you have made ... ? |
| 14:32.24 | aaronlin | dvs: Do you think that debian may have mixed up the disk drive lettering since the install? I have 4 drives, 2 CD drives and 2 hard disk drives. |
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| 14:32.48 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: all IDE or some SATA ? |
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| 14:32.52 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: I just plopped in the CD and pressed enter a lot. Then it rebooted, I logged onto Xorg, was very happy, went to sleep, and woke up this morning in horror. |
| 14:33.00 | aaronlin | All IDE |
| 14:33.23 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: all on the same onBoard-controller ? |
| 14:33.40 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: and all still present and detected in BIOS ? |
| 14:33.51 | aaronlin | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197956 I remember also reading somewhere in the debian pages about drive lettering problems |
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| 14:34.04 | aaronlin | two IDEcontrollers |
| 14:34.09 | aaronlin | all detected by the motherboard, yes |
| 14:34.33 | cinix | If I type: ld /usr/bin/eog and it retuns with: "cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 8057cd0", is that bad? What would that tell me? |
| 14:34.45 | aaronlin | Oh!! |
| 14:34.53 | aaronlin | And, I also used the synaptic package manager to upgrade a bunch of stuff |
| 14:34.58 | aaronlin | after completing the install. |
| 14:35.10 | wols_ | have you upgraded the kernel? |
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| 14:35.38 | aaronlin | wols_: I might have...I don't think so, because the updates seemed trivial, but...can't really remember |
| 14:35.38 | ma3x | is there a replace for atitvout? |
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| 14:35.54 | robin_sz | ahh, wait I just found the printer config on localhost port 631 ... |
| 14:36.10 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: fglrx and xorg-radeon-modules have tv-out tools as well. |
| 14:36.12 | cinix | wols_: if that was to me, no. |
| 14:36.18 | dvs | robin_sz: That was the hard part? |
| 14:36.22 | cinix | if not to me, /me kicks computer |
| 14:36.31 | ma3x | pumpkin0, are those packages or programs? |
| 14:36.42 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: have you access to /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 14:36.49 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: xorg-drivers |
| 14:36.51 | cinix | I meant to type ldd, that's my problem. |
| 14:37.05 | ma3x | pumpkin0, and then what programs should I install? or what programs come with xorg-drivers? |
| 14:37.05 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: i"m sure I could get it...you'd have to help me mount the disk, though, because I'm not familiar with the commands |
| 14:37.24 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: knoppix-cd available ? |
| 14:37.30 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: right now I'm on debian sarge, and the root partition should be /hdc1 |
| 14:37.34 | ma3x | pumpkin0, there is no such package as xorg-drivers |
| 14:37.42 | aaronlin | it's the same computer, with sarge on /hda1 |
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| 14:38.03 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: these drivers are configured via the xorg-config. (drivers not programs or packages...) |
| 14:38.33 | ma3x | pumpkin0, I have the drivers in my xorg.conf dude! |
| 14:38.47 | ma3x | pumpkin0, now how do I get the card to output to the TV? |
| 14:38.48 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: hmmm... boot into sarge and post /boot/grub/menu.lst. |
| 14:38.59 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: read the driver-docs. |
| 14:39.06 | aaronlin | someone suggested upgrading/installing udev |
| 14:39.25 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: menu.lst for sarge or for etch? Sarge is working fine... |
| 14:39.49 | ma3x | pumpkin0, where the hell are they!? |
| 14:40.06 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: for sarge. (both linux are using the same file now. i try to find out which one is in use right now ...) |
| 14:40.07 | ma3x | pumpkin0, my xorg.conf has driver "ati" |
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| 14:40.21 | ma3x | did you say something? |
| 14:40.21 | Akbar | anyway |
| 14:40.49 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: nope. that´s the normal opensource-radeon-driver. wait a sec... |
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| 14:41.04 | wols_ | !tell ma3x about ati |
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| 14:41.16 | ma3x | pumpkin0, can't you just give me a list of programs that output to the TV? |
| 14:41.24 | ma3x | something like atitvout |
| 14:41.34 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
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| 14:42.16 | ThomasPorter | How would I add "3,33 * * * * www-data [ -x /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -a -f /etc/awstats/awstats.conf -a -r /var/log/apache/access.log ] && /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=www.tpfree.com -update >/dev/null" to cron? |
| 14:42.21 | undesktop | wols_: some of the stuff you told me made it work, but now I still have to do a "ifconfig eth0 up" after booting to be able to connect, allthough I have the line "auto eth0" in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:42.28 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: http://www.pastecode.com/851 |
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| 14:43.20 | aaronlin | wait, pumpkin0 |
| 14:43.21 | wols_ | undesktop: cheat and edit your pon script |
| 14:43.33 | aaronlin | I'm pretty sure this is the wrong menu.lst |
| 14:43.46 | wols_ | undesktop: I'm really baffled why it would do what it does. makes no sense |
| 14:43.47 | aaronlin | I reinstalled grub during etch installation |
| 14:43.53 | ma3x | pumpkin0, so what after the driver configuration? |
| 14:44.12 | undesktop | wols_: hm, cheating... oh well you're right |
| 14:44.26 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: FC ? you had installed fedora at some time ? |
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| 14:45.09 | wols_ | ThomasPorter: man crontab |
| 14:45.12 | ma3x | what means 'xyz'? |
| 14:45.20 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: at startup: did you see the titles listed in that file or did you see other stuff ? |
| 14:45.39 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: restart the x-server. (ctrl-alt-backspace) |
| 14:46.01 | ma3x | pumpkin0, but there is a problem, fglrx-driver is not installable in sid! |
| 14:46.11 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: Yeah, I tried to run FC5, but I didn't properly configure grub...then I decided to install debian etch over that partition, so FC is history |
| 14:46.26 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: Ah, I mounted /dev/hdc1. Ok, I"ll show you what it looks like now |
| 14:46.40 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: fglrx is a close-source-driver from ati. it´s not supported by debian and you have to install it on your own... |
| 14:46.57 | ma3x | pumpkin0, how do I install it on my own? where do I get it from? |
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| 14:47.00 | undesktop | wols_: well, thank you, at least now it works better than before |
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| 14:47.13 | ma3x | pumpkin0, but I don't see any useful information how to output to the TV, with what program? |
| 14:47.19 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: http://www.pastecode.com/852 |
| 14:47.22 | deyan | I want to run aclocal, which package should I install? |
| 14:47.24 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: from ati´s homepage (together with a readme... |
| 14:47.26 | aaronlin | I'm pretty sure this is the real one |
| 14:47.40 | ma3x | pumpkin0, they have a driver for linux? |
| 14:48.04 | wols_ | !tell ma3x about ati |
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| 14:48.21 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: that´s what shows up at startup ? |
| 14:48.24 | aaronlin | yup |
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| 14:49.11 | dvs | I don't think (hd1,0) == hdc1 |
| 14:49.17 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: check the exisitance of /mnt/hdc1/boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-486 and /mnt/hdc1/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 14:49.42 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: both present |
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| 14:49.58 | Vaylor | hi |
| 14:50.01 | wols_ | deyan: automake, autoconf |
| 14:50.19 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: Someone suggested that I upgrade udev to keep persistent device names...I think that is it, although I don't know how to do that exactly, seeing as I cannot boot etch properly |
| 14:50.46 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: can you repost the error-message at startup (don´t have a chat-log here ...) |
| 14:50.51 | wols_ | udev changes device names so yes it might have hosed your system by moving the / device |
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| 14:51.52 | aaronlin | http://www.pastecode.com/853 |
| 14:51.55 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: forget about udev untill the system starts again. It´s no use to hack in/out udev w/o being able to boot the thing .. |
| 14:52.37 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: OK, let´s "hack" this. does /mnt/hdc1/dev/ contain any files ? |
| 14:52.47 | _stev_ | I'v a creative zen mirco (portable mp3 player) and use gnomad to manage my playlists and musicfiles on it, but I don't know where this player is mounted under (not in /media/...) |
| 14:53.06 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: try dmesg ? |
| 14:53.10 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: wait...I think this will work!... |
| 14:53.15 | aaronlin | pumpkin: chroot /mnt/hdc1 |
| 14:53.23 | aaronlin | now I can use the programs in etch |
| 14:53.37 | aaronlin | apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 14:53.42 | aaronlin | apt-get install udev should work |
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| 14:53.51 | aaronlin | hooray, I think the problem is solved :) |
| 14:53.53 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: you will miss /dev, /proc and /sys and will not have network. |
| 14:54.24 | syiron | any know why when using rkhunter it tell me it some infect file on /dev/.udev ? |
| 14:54.34 | asg | !udev |
| 14:54.34 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 14:54.38 | asg | bah |
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| 14:54.57 | asg | who removed the stew quote |
| 14:54.57 | aaronlin | pumpkin: I don't understand...you mean, they are not on the same partition? They should all be on /dev/hdc1 |
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| 14:55.19 | blondie | and don't come back |
| 14:55.29 | asg | "Hell is other people" -- Sartre |
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| 14:55.41 | pumpkin0 | aardvarq: they are created at startup by the kernel. |
| 14:55.52 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: : they are created at startup by the kernel. |
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| 14:56.22 | ThomasPorter | If I edit the crontab do I need to restart anything? |
| 14:56.45 | Romano2K | ThomasPorter: if you use "crontab -e" i think you don't |
| 14:56.56 | blondie | ThomasPorter: no you dont |
| 14:57.10 | ThomasPorter | Romano2K: I used gedit... gedit /etc/cron.d |
| 14:57.17 | ThomasPorter | So It should be fine? |
| 14:57.21 | pumpkin0 | ThomasPorter: yes |
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| 14:57.37 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: /mnt/hdc1/dev is full of files, yes |
| 14:58.16 | aaronlin | the install didn't seem to quite work...although, I think that it will fix the problem, because apparently it worked for countless other happy debian users at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4703 :-) |
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| 15:01.22 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: hmm... stupid updaterules. my next guess would have been removing the initrd-img. oh well. |
| 15:01.40 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: fstab for etch is http://www.pastecode.com/854 |
| 15:02.16 | kEEg | does anyone know why now debian adds a line 127.0.1.1 hostname in /etc/hosts? |
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| 15:02.43 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: don´t care about fstab if even root is not found. fstab starts it´s magic after root has been mounted. |
| 15:04.22 | ma3x | why can't I install the fglrx driver? http://channels.debian.net/paste/2995 |
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| 15:04.28 | ThomasPorter | 3,33 * * * * www-data [ -x /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -a -f /etc/awstats/awstats.conf -a -r /var/log/apache/access.log ] && /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=www.tpfree.com -update >/dev/null, would the first command run every 3 min and the 2nd one every 33 min? |
| 15:04.49 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: what do you recommend I try now? |
| 15:05.08 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: try booting the thing. |
| 15:05.26 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: dmesg says that the usb is found ...using ehci_hcd (don't know what that really is) and address 7...I assume to mount it with sda7 and gave the filefype, but he says that /dev/sda7 does not exist |
| 15:05.30 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: etch? But nothing has changed... |
| 15:05.46 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: you did install udev, didn´t do ? |
| 15:05.49 | aaronlin | the apt-get install udev didn't complete...should I post the error message? |
| 15:06.24 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: ehci_hcd is the usb-driver. You want usb_storage for accessing a medium. |
| 15:06.40 | ma3x | hello, can somebody help me with my problem? |
| 15:06.59 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: remove the initrd-line for the new system in the /mnt/hdc1/boot/grub/menu.lst. |
| 15:07.00 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: here is the error message when i type apt-get update http://www.pastecode.com/855 I do not know how gpg works, so I am confused |
| 15:07.55 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: read the readme-file. That case is documented by ati. |
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| 15:08.46 | ma3x | pumpkin0, readme file of what? |
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| 15:09.13 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: ati´s readme file on fglrx. |
| 15:09.40 | ma3x | pumpkin0, man 'what' ? ati? |
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| 15:11.09 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: ok, rebooting |
| 15:11.13 | aaronlin | is that all I need to change? |
| 15:11.24 | wols_ | !ati |
| 15:11.24 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 15:11.30 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: i hope. |
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| 15:11.58 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: ah ok, but what I don't understand is that the program gnomad can access my mp3 player, but I can't mount it while dmesg says the usb is on address 7 |
| 15:12.38 | parag0n | hey guys, anyone know where i can find a guide on setting up an X terminal connecting to a headless server? |
| 15:12.59 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: post the output of "cat /proc/mounts" somewhere ... (are you sure the player exports a mountable drive ?) |
| 15:13.10 | wols_ | there is no such thing as a headless X server |
| 15:13.18 | wols_ | oops. headless server |
| 15:13.34 | ma3x | pumpkin0, it says to remove xorg-driver-fglrx , but I dont have that installed! |
| 15:13.44 | wols_ | ltsp.orghttp://www.xs4all.nl/~zweije/xauth.html |
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| 15:14.18 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: and it recommands remove glx-stuff. ... |
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| 15:17.30 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.30 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.36 | ma3x | what should I do? |
| 15:19.24 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: download a driver that matches your kernel. and search a fglrx-channel. |
| 15:19.48 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: you can find my output on http://channels.debian.net/paste/2996 |
| 15:19.50 | ma3x | what's fglrx-channel? |
| 15:20.38 | undesktop | !fglrx |
| 15:20.39 | dpkg | well, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
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| 15:21.00 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: check out the new error message...:) |
| 15:21.01 | undesktop | I didn't tell me what fglrx is |
| 15:21.05 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: please post the output of "lsmod" and "uname -a". and lsusb -v ... |
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| 15:21.17 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: where ... ? |
| 15:21.41 | wols_ | undesktop: that's outdated |
| 15:21.52 | wols_ | it's !ati now. ati drivers build debs now |
| 15:22.01 | wols_ | one of the good things ubuntu brought |
| 15:22.16 | undesktop | oh, ATI drivers |
| 15:22.24 | aaronlin | http://pastecode.com/856 |
| 15:23.19 | mattl | !ati |
| 15:23.19 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 15:23.52 | mattl | blah. that's not going to work for a non Intel CPU, surely? |
| 15:24.49 | pumpkin0 | mattl: that´s why "radeon" (the xfree-xorg-driver) exisits. |
| 15:24.53 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: Let's try that apt-get upgrade thing...I think it will work...it seems to have a few kinks, but it could probably be easily fixed |
| 15:25.28 | mattl | pumpkin0: that's probably what i already have.. iMac G5 with a vaguely working graphics (correct resolution, etc) |
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| 15:26.09 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: the kernel tries to mount the wrong drive (hdb / hd(1.0) and not hdc / hd(2.0). check the grub-menu.lst-file again .. |
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| 15:26.22 | Ratlump | Hello, anyone have any experience setting up an Nvidia GeForce 6200 in Debian? |
| 15:26.34 | pumpkin0 | mattl: you may also use the vesa-driver. enough for 2D ... |
| 15:26.57 | aaronlin | will udev fix that? |
| 15:27.04 | mattl | i might give that a go later. it's not too bad right now.. i think. |
| 15:27.16 | aronofsky | hi , can people on testing tell me if apt-file works for them , because for me its not ; update exits in a second and serch doesn't find anything ? |
| 15:27.16 | pumpkin0 | !tell Ratlump about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:27.27 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: nope. |
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| 15:28.08 | aaronlin | oh, how about this |
| 15:28.15 | aaronlin | can I re-run the grub install? |
| 15:28.19 | aaronlin | have it do it automatically for me? |
| 15:28.45 | Ratlump | Thanks pumpkin0! |
| 15:29.00 | aaronlin | http://pastecode.com/857 |
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| 15:29.21 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: well here it is...http://channels.debian.net/paste/2997 |
| 15:29.22 | aronofsky | anyone on testing can tell me ? |
| 15:29.53 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: change that from "(hd1,0)" into "root (hd2,0)" |
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| 15:30.20 | Ratlump | pumpkin0: Ok, will give it a whirl... |
| 15:30.29 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: I have two hard drives and two CD drives. The primary IDE cable has the HDD with sarge on it as master and the CD Writer as slave. The secondary IDE controller has the HDD with etch as master with a CDROM as slave. |
| 15:31.32 | wols_ | aaronlin: worst cabling you can use. the 2 optical drives will slow down both harddisks |
| 15:31.59 | aaronlin | wols_: oh...but I heard about some sort of CD writing buffer on the HDD? |
| 15:32.20 | wols_ | why would a hdd have a writing buffer for a CD? |
| 15:32.33 | wols_ | the IDE channel can only run as fast as the slowest device on it |
| 15:32.35 | aaronlin | when burning CDs to prevent buffer underruns It hought |
| 15:32.40 | wols_ | which is in both times the optical drive |
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| 15:33.00 | wols_ | the only buffer which does this is on the CD burner itself. nowhere else |
| 15:33.14 | wols_ | and if you have burnproof or justlink, it's irrelevant anyways |
| 15:33.15 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: looks like your player does not have a mountable drive. It uses a serialcom for upload/downloading the MP3´s. |
| 15:33.22 | wols_ | e.g. only with a 8x burner you have this problem |
| 15:33.39 | aaronlin | wols_: I see. Will it make a significance performance difference? |
| 15:34.05 | aaronlin | or is it just one of those theoreticals, because right now tons of stuff on my computer is probably not optimized |
| 15:34.16 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: depends on your definition of significant. My guess: no. |
| 15:34.25 | aaronlin | root (hd2,0) is the only thing I changed |
| 15:34.25 | wols_ | for your harddisks: yes. UDMA instead of PIO most likely |
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| 15:34.33 | aaronlin | do I need to changekernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-486 root=/dev/hdc1 ro ? |
| 15:34.37 | stew | aronofsky: hmm it looks like the contents files have switch to a pdiff like format that apt-file doesn't know about yet |
| 15:34.41 | pumpkin0 | aaronlin: no, just retry. |
| 15:34.52 | aaronlin | ok, great, I hope this works |
| 15:35.01 | aaronlin | if not, you know I'll be back here ;) |
| 15:35.50 | aronofsky | Stew , i think so too , anyway to signal it ( even if i think that they are already aware of that ... ) |
| 15:35.58 | pumpkin0 | wols_: but debian will switch the optical drives to UDMA as well ... if the controller supports it. |
| 15:36.40 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: hmm how do you see that? In an xp system I could browse the usb device for so that isn't the same |
| 15:37.14 | stew | aronofsky: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:37.24 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: it´s the "bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class" listed for your MP3. |
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| 15:38.16 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: mountable MP3-Players have a "bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage" at that point |
| 15:38.32 | robin_sz | woot! ... CUPSD is doing its thing :) |
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| 15:41.27 | ChrisW | hi all, I've generated a dsa key using ssk-keygen, where do I put the private key on the client side to that ssh finds it? |
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| 15:42.51 | aaronlin | pumpkin0: I must have done something horribly wrong, because I can't even get the original error message anymore |
| 15:42.54 | aaronlin | I keep getting kernel panic... |
| 15:43.23 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: interesting...the reason why I could open it as n usb device under windows is because there was a spec driver needed for it, correct? |
| 15:43.31 | aaronlin | I think I'm going to just reinstall it...thanks for your troubles |
| 15:43.35 | aaronlin | first thing I'll do is update udev |
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| 15:44.01 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: yepp. |
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| 15:45.08 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: with a bit luck somebody already wrote a linux-driver for it. But with the stock-kernel: no way. |
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| 15:53.30 | superlinux | I need to setup amule using squid not using iptables, how? |
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| 15:53.53 | ChrisW | if I've created a user with adduser --disabled-login, can I still scp as that user? |
| 15:54.04 | ChrisW | hmm, actually, scrap that |
| 15:54.21 | ChrisW | if I've created a user with adduser --disabled-login, how do I later enable login via public key only? |
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| 15:54.59 | wols_ | disabled login means /bin/false as sehll afaik. nothing to do with public key auth over ssh |
| 15:55.16 | wols_ | just edit /etc/passwd to allow login again |
| 15:55.27 | ChrisW | okay, so I should still be able to rsync -e ssh to that user? |
| 15:55.43 | wols_ | dunno. if rsync logs in ovre ssh: no |
| 15:55.53 | pumpkin0 | ChrisW: nope, the use does not have a no shell. |
| 15:56.00 | wols_ | if it just uses it as a portforward/transport medium: yes |
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| 15:57.30 | ChrisW | pumpkin0: okay, you and wols_ appear to be contradicting each other, can one or other of you clarify? |
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| 15:58.27 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: Is there anything I should verify to make sure I have the kernel headers and kernel source installed correctly? The configure script for eagle-usb says it can't find kernel sources. |
| 15:58.46 | pumpkin0 | ChrisW: the "-e ssh" tells rsync to use ssh for transport. It the user does not have a shell = >no login => no ssh = >no rsync. If you use something else then "-e ssh" ... yes, it may work. |
| 15:59.08 | ChrisW | any suggestions? |
| 15:59.29 | ricky_clarkson | I ran strace, it was looking for /lib/modules/2.6.16/build/userdefined/eaglesomething.ko or something. |
| 15:59.38 | ChrisW | if not, how do I enable login via public key only for that user? (the one I created with --disable-login) |
| 15:59.40 | wols_ | you shouldn't need kernel source for it. but normally kernel source is in /usr/src/linux |
| 15:59.55 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: Yes, and it is. |
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| 16:00.00 | wols_ | and debian just gives you a tar.gz of kernel source which you have to unpack first |
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| 16:00.09 | pumpkin0 | ChrisW: by giving the user a shell he can use. .. |
| 16:00.26 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: I even built and installed a new kernel. |
| 16:00.29 | wols_ | ChrisW: by editing /etc/passwd |
| 16:00.55 | pumpkin0 | ChrisW: "-e /bin/sh" may work if sshd/rsyncd allow it. |
| 16:00.58 | wols_ | then you need to check the configure logfile why it didn't work |
| 16:01.28 | ricky_clarkson | wols_: Ah, didn't think of that, just read the configure script itself, which didn't help. |
| 16:01.29 | ChrisW | pumpkin0: sorry, don't agree... looking in /etc/passwd, the disabled user already has a shell of /bin/bash |
| 16:01.31 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: well if I downgrade my player it should work :-) |
| 16:01.47 | pumpkin0 | how do i make linux drop a eth-interface after XY min of inactivity ? |
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| 16:01.58 | pumpkin0 | _stev_: downgrade the player ... ? |
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| 16:02.52 | wols_ | pumpkin0: a program which constantly checks the #of transmitted bytes in /prco |
| 16:03.05 | wols_ | and if a certain time wtihtout traffic happens: drop connection |
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| 16:03.15 | wols_ | but I dunno if this works: when is a connection ever idle? |
| 16:04.42 | pumpkin0 | wols_: That should work. now ... how do i bring up the connection on a as-needed-basis ? |
| 16:05.21 | wols_ | tricky. look how ppp does it and imitate it? |
| 16:05.37 | wols_ | dunno any other software which does this |
| 16:06.18 | wols_ | there was some old software before ppp has dial on demand. it used a dummy interface |
| 16:06.53 | wols_ | slio even. dunno if that'S a possibility |
| 16:07.21 | pumpkin0 | wols_: hmm... yes, ppp may be the best starting point. (didn´t the old software have a problem with newer kernels, like 2.4 and up ? |
| 16:07.56 | wols_ | dunno. as I said: loooong time ago |
| 16:08.04 | wols_ | just those two do/did what you want |
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| 16:09.36 | fs-a | hi, are there any other packages like libc6-i686 that optimise? |
| 16:10.18 | abrotman | the kernel |
| 16:10.28 | fs-a | right |
| 16:10.40 | fs-a | any other? |
| 16:10.48 | wols_ | yes, gentoo |
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| 16:11.34 | abrotman | !info gentoo sarge |
| 16:11.38 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
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| 16:12.48 | fs-a | "yes, gentoo" |
| 16:12.55 | NetBandit | hi there. I got this error when I run apt-get update |
| 16:12.55 | NetBandit | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 16:12.57 | fs-a | i want to live before it compiles |
| 16:12.59 | NetBandit | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 16:13.02 | NetBandit | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 16:13.04 | NetBandit | how can I fix it? |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | !apt-key D1F41B907 |
| 16:13.18 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys D1F41B907 ; gpg --export D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:13.41 | NetBandit | ? |
| 16:13.47 | NetBandit | what should I do? |
| 16:14.09 | dimir | :-D |
| 16:14.48 | pumpkin0 | NetBandit: execute the stuff dpkg say as root and retry. |
| 16:14.57 | undesktop | "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." <- what module do I need to load? |
| 16:15.10 | NetBandit | pumpkin0: the whole line? |
| 16:15.13 | undesktop | (someone told modprobe sg, but this doesn't seem to work) |
| 16:15.57 | _stev_ | pumpkin0: an earlier version of the system |
| 16:16.21 | pumpkin0 | NetBandit: yes. |
| 16:16.45 | NetBandit | thanks, I'll try this ;) |
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| 16:17.15 | NetBandit | gpg: "D1F41B907" not a key ID: skipping |
| 16:17.15 | NetBandit | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 16:17.15 | NetBandit | gpg: WARNING: nothing exported |
| 16:17.18 | NetBandit | hm.... |
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| 16:17.22 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: do you have a ide CD/DVD-device ? |
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| 16:17.29 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 16:17.30 | NetBandit | sorry, guys ;) |
| 16:17.40 | NetBandit | I got this error message :( |
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| 16:17.48 | pumpkin0 | NetBandit: forget the sudo. |
| 16:17.49 | ktwilight | !paste |
| 16:17.49 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Visit http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 16:17.50 | undesktop | pumpkin0: it's not IDE, it's USB |
| 16:18.06 | undesktop | pumpkin0: the HP 8200e CD burner, connected over USB |
| 16:18.15 | wizzomafizzo | Whenever I run apt-get update I keep getting the error: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 16:18.15 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: you are in trouble. |
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| 16:18.30 | pumpkin0 | !apt-key D1F41B907 |
| 16:18.30 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys D1F41B907 ; gpg --export D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 16:18.32 | wizzomafizzo | All the other mirrors are fine except the security one. |
| 16:18.35 | undesktop | pumpkin0: am I? |
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| 16:19.03 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: stock kernel or self compiled ? |
| 16:19.24 | pumpkin0 | wizzomafizzo: try the thing dpkg just said. |
| 16:19.25 | undesktop | pumpkin0: the Debian unstable kernel (linux-image-686) |
| 16:19.42 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: "modprobe scsi_mod". Any output ? |
| 16:19.50 | NetBandit | pumpkin0: so I have to add -> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys D1F41B907 ; gpg --export D1F41B907 |
| 16:19.53 | wizzomafizzo | pumpkin0: gpg: "D1F41B907" not a key ID: skipping |
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| 16:19.59 | NetBandit | without the sudo |
| 16:20.35 | undesktop | pumpkin0: no... maybe it was allready loaded |
| 16:20.38 | ktwilight | wizzomafizzo, http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2006/06/msg00059.html |
| 16:20.47 | wizzomafizzo | Thanks |
| 16:21.39 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: modprobe sg and sd_mod and usb_storage. then try "cdrecord --scanbus" |
| 16:21.43 | wizzomafizzo | So I should just ignore this until it fixes itself? |
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| 16:23.04 | undesktop | pumpkin0: that's funny: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GhBIfd74.html |
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| 16:23.27 | undesktop | pumpkin0: doesn't look really convincing... note that several invocations of cdrecord output different text... |
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| 16:24.30 | undesktop | dmesg output: http://rafb.net/paste/results |
| 16:24.31 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: like i said: you´r in trouble.... |
| 16:24.52 | ktwilight | yes wizzomafizzo, unless you know how to solve the problem :P |
| 16:24.52 | undesktop | I'll try it, but this looks buggy |
| 16:25.01 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: the last link is a 403. |
| 16:25.11 | wizzomafizzo | Alright then, as long as it's nothing too serious |
| 16:25.23 | undesktop | ooops it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/BE68hw65.html |
| 16:25.40 | undesktop | pumpkin0: anyway, it _used_ to work, some dozens of kernel versions before |
| 16:25.40 | ktwilight | shouldn't be wizzomafizzo. have confidence in debian! :D |
| 16:26.03 | undesktop | pumpkin0: then, the drivers were broken |
| 16:26.07 | pumpkin0 | undesktop: so buring on device 0,0,0 or sda should do something ... |
| 16:27.07 | undesktop | pumpkin0: k3b doesn't detect any burner |
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| 16:27.12 | NetBandit | pumpkin0: I still receive the same error-message :( |
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| 16:27.21 | NetBandit | I tried it even without the sudo |
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| 16:29.01 | pumpkin0 | hmm why is "subkeys.pgp.net" down ? |
| 16:29.54 | NetBandit | I don't know.. |
| 16:30.57 | ktwilight | use another pumpkin0 |
| 16:31.04 | ktwilight | there are at least 3 IIRC |
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| 16:32.08 | vaggie | Hello, when i try make menuconfig in kernel source i get this error: scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: curses.h: No such file or directory - And libncurses is installed |
| 16:32.45 | NetBandit | pumpkin0: is there another solution? |
| 16:33.24 | pumpkin0 | vaggie: install libcurses????-dev |
| 16:33.44 | pumpkin0 | NetBandit: not unless you can fake a gpg-key... |
| 16:33.46 | vaggie | pumpkin0: libncurses4-dev doesnt exist |
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| 16:34.57 | pumpkin0 | vaggie: depends on your version of debian. try libncurses5-dev |
| 16:35.06 | vaggie | pumpkin0: libncurses5-dev: Depends: libncurses5 (= 5.4-4) but 5.5-1 is to be installed |
| 16:35.24 | pumpkin0 | vaggie: which debian are you running ? |
| 16:36.01 | NetBandit | pumpkin0: okay, but thanks for your help |
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| 16:39.30 | tdn | Why must WPA/TKIP be such a pain to get to work in Linux? |
| 16:40.12 | pumpkin0 | tdn: licenes... |
| 16:40.30 | blondie | what the hell... I want to install phpmyadmin and it wants to install a mixture of php4 and php5 stuff |
| 16:40.31 | tdn | pumpkin0, ok? Is WPA proprietary? |
| 16:40.38 | blondie | as well as stupid apache2 crap |
| 16:41.01 | pumpkin0 | tdn: more or less: yes. |
| 16:41.02 | abrotman | blondie: welcome to testing? |
| 16:41.05 | tdn | blondie, why do you think apache2 is crap? |
| 16:41.29 | blondie | because it's a pain in the arse to do simple things |
| 16:41.32 | abrotman | blondie: i'll trade you .. i'm playing .. "Find the firmware" |
| 16:41.40 | tdn | pumpkin0, ok. What alternatives are there if I want to have a secured home network? |
| 16:42.07 | abrotman | guns |
| 16:42.15 | pumpkin0 | tdn: use openvpn and a firewall/creative routing. |
| 16:42.50 | abrotman | oh sure .. the days rene isn't here ... grr |
| 16:43.48 | tdn | pumpkin0, I have thought of that. I would like to have the WLAN open and then use VPN to control access, but I figure that is a lot work to set up... Alsĺ I would probably need to buy more hardware :( |
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| 16:44.48 | pumpkin0 | tdn: depends on your WLAN-router. If you can hack it into running linux or have something like a nslu2 around... |
| 16:45.24 | tdn | pumpkin0, I have a Linksys WRT54GS |
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| 16:45.33 | tdn | pumpkin0, it should be able to run Linux... |
| 16:45.37 | pumpkin0 | tdn: perfect. |
| 16:46.03 | pumpkin0 | tdn: OpenWRT should include openvpn by now. |
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| 16:46.18 | tdn | pumpkin0, ok. I'll have a look at it. Thanks. |
| 16:46.24 | Dunedan | Does anybody know why I can't dpkg-reconfigure? I get "command not found" in actual debian unstable |
| 16:46.41 | tdn | Dunedan, as root? |
| 16:46.57 | dabreegster | Dunedan: See if /usr/sbin is in your $PATH |
| 16:46.57 | Dunedan | tdn: ... |
| 16:47.07 | Dunedan | all right. I forgot to be root. |
| 16:47.16 | abrotman | !win Dunedan |
| 16:47.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, Dunedan! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:47.17 | wols_ | ;) |
| 16:47.27 | blondie | abrotman: I might install sarge on there... problem is the machine is 1000 miles away so it's a PITA :P |
| 16:47.48 | wols_ | blondie: nothing like an "unattended" install... |
| 16:47.48 | abrotman | blondie: i'm trying to install firmware ... to get internet .. but the script tries to download the firmware from the internet |
| 16:48.15 | wols_ | teaches you right to only buy quality hardware |
| 16:48.27 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: which wlan-card is it ? |
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| 16:49.40 | abrotman | pumpkin0: airport extreme :) |
| 16:49.53 | dayi | I will setup a debian server(mail,web,...) , I dont want to install x system , is it secure to configure it from another computer(from my laptop) , for example is it secure to setup webmin and configuring it from another host? |
| 16:50.35 | dayi | this computers in the same lan |
| 16:50.47 | abrotman | dayi: use ssh and vi? |
| 16:51.00 | bvs | don't use webmin though, there's a reason it was removed from debian :) |
| 16:51.31 | blondie | hmm actually I won't go back to stable... too much hassle |
| 16:51.34 | dayi | bvs: for example webalizer |
| 16:52.33 | bvs | dayi, like abrotman said, you can setup everything with ssh |
| 16:52.35 | dayi | blondie: proftpd was broken with testing:( |
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| 16:53.25 | dayi | bvs: ok but I want to use web interfaces |
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| 16:54.11 | blondie | dayi: ftp is evil |
| 16:54.31 | abrotman | dayi: why? |
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| 16:54.42 | wols_ | damog: then at least use https |
| 16:54.46 | dayi | abrotman:it is easy |
| 16:54.56 | wols_ | it also sucks |
| 16:54.57 | abrotman | dayi: it's easy to use vi and ssh |
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| 16:55.11 | pumpkin0 | dayi: it is easy .... to get the usernames and passwords |
| 16:55.13 | dayi | abrotman:it is easy to add new domains with vegadns |
| 16:55.25 | abrotman | is vegadns in debian ? |
| 16:55.37 | bvs | no :) |
| 16:55.46 | damog | wols_: I beg your pardon? |
| 16:55.57 | abrotman | misfire |
| 16:56.09 | dayi | I build it from source |
| 16:56.19 | Thanatermesis | stew, is this line correct ? "make-kpkg --initrd --revision=elive.01 --append_to_version thana-386 kernel-image" |
| 16:56.45 | wols_ | sorry damog |
| 16:57.02 | Thanatermesis | "Error: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.15 . However, I thought the version is 2.6.15elive-386" |
| 16:57.02 | xored | where can i find the user-management under proftpd and how to activate the debug mode / error output to log the "not logged in" trys ? |
| 16:57.09 | dvs | Thanatermesis: make-kpkg clean |
| 16:57.21 | Thanatermesis | aha |
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| 16:57.29 | dvs | TheBrain: or --append-to-version=elive-386 |
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| 16:57.37 | Thanatermesis | ok.. i try |
| 16:57.43 | dvs | Thanatermesis: : or --append-to-version=elive-386 |
| 16:57.46 | blondie | hmm, if I change testing to etch in sources.list then it'll "become" stable eventually I guess |
| 16:57.46 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: and why do you have initrd? RAID stuff? |
| 16:58.11 | wols_ | blondie: and two months after release it's not current enough for your needs :) |
| 16:58.14 | bvs | xored, the logins are probably logged in /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:58.32 | blondie | wols_: it's a server, so it should be fine |
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| 17:02.39 | xored | bvs: you where right it is located there. Somehow if customer create FTP users on the system, the users are not able to connect. The log says, that pam cannot authenticate ( authentication failure;). But it works "randomly" any ideas ? |
| 17:04.03 | Thanatermesis | wols_, misc things... this kernel is used for more persons, some of this persons with a SATA hard disk (is needed a initrd for this, yes ?) and i have a special bootsplash on the initramfs also |
| 17:05.46 | wols_ | no initrd is not needed for sata if you compile in the driver for it |
| 17:06.04 | wols_ | and bootsplashes suck. you want to SEE what the kernel does |
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| 17:07.11 | dvs | wols_: What about those without SATA? |
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| 17:08.19 | joel | I am currently using the 2.6.16-2-686-smp kernel package, but I want to upgrade to 2.6.17, and there is no package that mentions SMP. anyone know if the linux-image-2.6.17-1-686 package supports SMP? |
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| 17:08.51 | ma3x | I did the fglrx thing (installed it), but still can't get my 3d acceleration! |
| 17:09.38 | wols_ | dvs: main reason for initrd I can think of is controller cards with binary only drivers. like high end RAID |
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| 17:10.03 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: then you didn´t install it correctly. post log and config of your xserver. |
| 17:10.17 | joel | wols_: also when you're using odd filesystems on your root partition |
| 17:10.25 | wols_ | like? |
| 17:10.31 | wols_ | cause fs can be compiled in no? |
| 17:10.34 | joel | wols_: lvm |
| 17:10.53 | wols_ | btw: apt-cache search smp |grep kernel |
| 17:11.02 | joel | wols_: compiled into what, the root partition holds the kernel right |
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| 17:11.17 | wols_ | no |
| 17:11.18 | ma3x | pumpkin0, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2998 |
| 17:11.27 | wols_ | but yes, I mentioned RAID above |
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| 17:11.48 | wols_ | which is why you better have a 100MB or so /boot partition without RAID or lvm |
| 17:11.48 | Stoffie | hello |
| 17:12.00 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: and now the config ... |
| 17:12.01 | Stoffie | does anyone know how to fix this "apt-get update" error: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 17:12.14 | wols_ | Stoffie: yes |
| 17:12.16 | joel | wols_: meh, there are always livecd's to bail you out :) |
| 17:12.39 | artds | hi all * */4 * * * /etc/firewall.sh at four hourly is corretc ? sorry for my english :/ |
| 17:12.40 | ma3x | pumpkin0, http://channels.debian.net/paste/2999 |
| 17:12.45 | Stoffie | wols_, would you mind to share your knowledge? |
| 17:12.56 | joel | so no one is using a 2.6.17 kernel package yet with an SMP system? |
| 17:13.40 | xored | how to let proftpd start as standalone server, not as initd service |
| 17:13.44 | wols_ | Stoffie: there is no solution afaik |
| 17:13.52 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: you are using the open-source radeon driver and not fglrx. Why did you say you were using the fglrx-driver ? |
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| 17:14.34 | ma3x | pumpkin0, what open-source radeon driver?! I just did that from dpkg |
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| 17:15.06 | joel | Stoffie: I am getting the same thing |
| 17:15.23 | joel | Stoffie: in aptitude |
| 17:15.30 | ma3x | pumpkin0, before I had specified 'ati' as my driver |
| 17:15.39 | ma3x | pumpkin0, I think I deleted one of the diversions files |
| 17:15.47 | Ratlump | Anyone have an NVidia card, installed the driver only to get an extremely faint screen? |
| 17:16.00 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: and "ati" is a alias for "radeon". fglrx is the name of the fglrx-driver. |
| 17:16.02 | ma3x | pumpkin0, do you know what packages provide those diversion files? |
| 17:16.16 | ma3x | pumpkin0, so should I put "fglrx" as driver in xorg.conf |
| 17:16.43 | xored | i have somehow problems letting my users connect to the proFTPd. it randomly dont allow the connection ( authentication_error). The server is running as an xinetd service, is it mayeb better running ti as a standalone ? |
| 17:18.04 | ma3x | shit , he abandoned me. |
| 17:18.23 | Ratlump | pumpkin0 was probably tired of answering all these newbie questions about video drivers... |
| 17:18.39 | Ratlump | I mean, I had questions, that is. |
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| 17:19.27 | Blissex | Ratlump: odd, but try #NVIDIA sometimes there is someone useful in there. |
| 17:19.31 | xored | where can i find the configurations for the services ofg th services |
| 17:19.41 | wols_ | inetd.conf ? |
| 17:20.03 | Ratlump | Blissex: Thanks (didn't even know there was #NVIDIA) |
| 17:20.08 | wols_ | it should also come with a init.d start script |
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| 17:21.57 | Blissex | xored: there is no such thing as ''services'' in UNIX or Linux... |
| 17:22.22 | dvs | only demons! muhahah! |
| 17:22.55 | wols_ | Blissex: then what is that /etc/services file I have? definitely services in there, lots and lots |
| 17:23.24 | Blissex | wols_: thats actually the list of reserved/named protocol ports. Totally misnamed. |
| 17:23.39 | wols_ | it's still services everywhere |
| 17:24.13 | charzero | How can I install grub on what is now sdb, then move that drive to a machine where it will be hda? |
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| 17:24.19 | Ratlump | wols_: Didn't catch the beginning of your question, but /etc/services just basically defines names and ports that those names belong to. Usually related to a service, of course. For instance smtp is defined as tcp port 25. |
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| 17:25.48 | Blissex | charzero: yes, with some slight reconfig in the 'menu.lst' |
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| 17:27.16 | Blissex | wols_: if you are talking background server dĂŚmons under UNIX/Linux they are started via '/etc/inittab', or '/etc/init.d/' or '/etc/inetd.conf' or '/etc/xinetd.conf' or via 'portmap' |
| 17:27.23 | Ratlump | Looks like everyone is asleep in #NVIDIA... *sigh* |
| 17:27.57 | charzero | Blissex: How do I install grub in the boot record of sdb such that it will look at (hd0,0) for the grub directory? |
| 17:28.14 | charzero | Blissex: which is (hd0,0) on boot, not right now. |
| 17:28.19 | joel | anybody here use a core duo laptop? sound doesn't work in 2.6.16, and I need 2.6.17, but there doesn't appear to be an smp kernel package available yet |
| 17:28.43 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.04 | Blissex | charzero: install it with the right 'setup' or whatever line. |
| 17:29.13 | wols_ | get kernel.org sources a .config from the latest kernel you can find in debian and you#re good to go |
| 17:29.21 | Blissex | joel: in 2.6.17 SMP is default. |
| 17:29.34 | joel | Blissex: excellent, that's what I needed to know |
| 17:30.02 | joel | wols_: I used to do that with gentoo, and it was fun, but I can't be bothered anymore |
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| 17:30.23 | Thanatermesis | glxinfo not exist more on etch ? |
| 17:30.28 | Ratlump | wols_: I'm tempted to do that too... My nvidia won't work... Maybe I should switch to ATI Radeon 9250 instead... Anyone done ATI Radeon 9250? |
| 17:30.46 | wols_ | generally ati is worse than nvidia, but you already know that |
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| 17:31.06 | Blissex | Ratlump: 9250 is a *lot* slower than 6200. |
| 17:31.09 | pipeline | Ratlump: radeon 9250 works ootb with the free drivers. |
| 17:31.18 | bulio | I downloaded bittorrent-gui, but how do I run it? |
| 17:31.20 | bulio | I need to make a torrent |
| 17:31.25 | Ratlump | wols_: Actually I had a Rage 128 card that worked fairly good, but when I ran OpenGL programs the PC will occationally freeze |
| 17:31.49 | wols_ | rage128 and "good" in 3D is an oxymoron :) |
| 17:32.01 | _stev_ | time for BBQ! see you all |
| 17:32.07 | bulio | anyone? |
| 17:32.11 | dvs | _stev_: send some here! |
| 17:32.12 | Ratlump | wols_: Okay, maybe "worked" would be better :-) |
| 17:33.20 | Ratlump | Thing is, driver "nv" seems to work okay, but it can't find the glx module. Then nvidia loads and I can briefly see a very faint nvidia logo, then my login screen, but it stays too faint to see on the screen. |
| 17:33.36 | Ratlump | I turn brightness up to 100% and can barely see some writing. |
| 17:33.49 | Ratlump | At least R128 worked better than that. |
| 17:34.11 | Ratlump | And I have an Radeon 9250 (or at least I think it is) that I could put in this computer. |
| 17:34.27 | tuxedup | i was wondering if anyone could tell me what the following error means: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv. I cannot seem to find a solutiom. Im using testing branch |
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| 17:34.53 | Ratlump | tuxedup: I had the same issue while upgrading to testing. |
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| 17:35.27 | Ratlump | tuxedup: Actually I think I just forced the install of a lot of packages, and when it came to the circular dependencies and pre-dependencies of xorg I was really stuck for days. |
| 17:35.32 | dvs | !2006 key |
| 17:35.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:35.46 | charzero | Blissex: when I do 'root hd(0,0)' and 'setup (hd0)', will grub care that those values are incorrect for the current device maping? |
| 17:36.06 | joel | oh boy, linux-headers-2.6.17-1-686 depends on packages that are not even in unstable |
| 17:36.31 | Blissex | charzero: not care -- 'grub' is a shell and just executes the commands you give. |
| 17:36.44 | joel | linux-kbuild-2.6.17 |
| 17:36.56 | Blissex | joel: if you are using 'unstable' you are a very advanced guru and should not be asking questions here... |
| 17:36.56 | charzero | Blissex: if I say 'setup (hd0)', its going to install on my current (hd0), right? |
| 17:37.08 | Blissex | charzero: yes. |
| 17:37.09 | tuxedup | Ratlump: This has only just popped the last few days on mysstem |
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| 17:37.41 | joel | Blissex: I am following testing, I only use unstable when I have to |
| 17:37.46 | Blissex | charzero: check 'grub-install' |
| 17:37.56 | charzero | Blissex: I can modify the device map to say (hd0) is /dev/hda, which will be correct after reboot, but then it complains that there is no /dev/hda |
| 17:38.05 | joel | and audio not working is one of those "I have to" issues :) |
| 17:38.35 | Blissex | joel: in that case you are an extremely advanced superguru, which understands perfectly well even how mixed-repo packages work... |
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| 17:38.52 | joel | Blissex: I'm just using pinning... |
| 17:39.03 | dvs | Blissex: What's with the "extremely advanced superguru" bit? |
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| 17:39.24 | Blissex | joel: if you understand pinning you are a mega galactic hyper guru and so you should be answering questions here, not asking them :-) |
| 17:39.44 | joel | Blissex: I'm a developer, but no linux expert. Just a user :) |
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| 17:40.19 | Blissex | joel: anyhow for your sound problems the troubleshooting section of http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html usually works. If it does not work, bad news indeed. |
| 17:40.28 | Ratlump | Thanks everyone for your help... Have things to do, but I will probably be back to ask and answer questions. |
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| 17:40.45 | joel | Blissex: it worked in 2.6.15, but apparently 2.6.16 broke ALSA, a known issue |
| 17:40.51 | joel | er I should say |
| 17:40.55 | joel | broke alsa for my card |
| 17:41.05 | he1ix | hum, does anyone know what happened to Release.gpg on testing security-updates? |
| 17:41.20 | he1ix | it's empty on all sources that i've tried so far... |
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| 17:41.43 | Blissex | he1ix: noticed that too.... |
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| 17:52.06 | denmaeth | i need help installing a program |
| 17:52.31 | denmaeth | i would like to try http://freshmeat.net/projects/irisvid/ |
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| 17:56.08 | denmaeth | I downloaded this iris program and unziped it - i dont know how to install - i think its a script |
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| 17:56.29 | wols_ | it most probably comes with a README or INSTALL |
| 17:56.40 | wols_ | and if it's a script, just run it |
| 17:56.48 | denmaeth | i looked in the readme and didnt see anything |
| 17:57.04 | Ts0p | i'm running windows xp and i would like to download and install debian ans a second OS, can someone please help me thru this thanks in advance |
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| 17:57.34 | wols_ | !tell Ts0p about grounding |
| 17:57.38 | Ts0p | denmaeth apt-get install irrsi |
| 17:57.50 | roxy_ | I overwrote and deleted some file from the videodev module. How can I force debian to reinstall it ? |
| 17:58.01 | kronoz | Ts0p, i saw a cool howto about this on a debian help website, i'll try and find it |
| 17:58.15 | denmaeth | Ts0p, is that the same program? that would be cool |
| 17:58.16 | wols_ | Ts0p: it's irssi |
| 17:58.31 | Ts0p | oh sorry |
| 17:58.32 | wols_ | irssi is a irc client |
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| 17:58.47 | Master_Medic | hello |
| 17:59.13 | Ts0p | i ve install debian in one of my work computers and it's working fine |
| 17:59.18 | Master_Medic | I was wondering how to share my debian boxs internet connection with another box |
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| 17:59.56 | kronoz | Ts0p: http://www.aboutdebian.com/install31.htm |
| 17:59.59 | denmaeth | I pasted what i have in flood |
| 18:00.03 | Ts0p | now at home i want to try it, the main reason i want to do that is i want to test astrik voip |
| 18:00.44 | wols_ | denmaeth: it comes with a makefile |
| 18:00.46 | wols_ | just run make |
| 18:00.51 | Ts0p | Master_Medic linux box or windows |
| 18:01.08 | wols_ | Master_Medic: do you have 2 NICs in your intended router? |
| 18:01.20 | denmaeth | ok just cd to the directory and do make |
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| 18:02.37 | Master_Medic | linux |
| 18:02.40 | Master_Medic | from debian to fc4 |
| 18:02.45 | Master_Medic | no i only have 1 nic card |
| 18:02.52 | Master_Medic | but i have a usbToEthernet adapter |
| 18:03.12 | Master_Medic | so i was thinking it would look like this internet --> sid --> usbToEthernet --> fc4 |
| 18:03.24 | Blissex | Master_Medic: USB to Ethernet should ''just work'' :-) |
| 18:03.34 | Master_Medic | oh? |
| 18:04.17 | denmaeth | it errored i pasted output in flood |
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| 18:05.02 | Ts0p | Master_Medic remmember to use a xover cable |
| 18:05.24 | Master_Medic | y? |
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| 18:05.42 | wols_ | Master_Medic: the NAT package is ipmasq and the DNS proxy is dnsmasq |
| 18:05.56 | wols_ | install those two is all you need if the cabling and internet connection work |
| 18:06.02 | Master_Medic | umk |
| 18:06.02 | Ts0p | u have skype ya walad |
| 18:06.09 | Ts0p | sorry |
| 18:06.15 | Ts0p | wrong screen |
| 18:06.18 | Master_Medic | ok i'll try it out |
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| 18:07.15 | ma3x | how can I make the 3d acceleration on my video card work? |
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| 18:07.47 | flixil | ma3x: wich video card do u have? |
| 18:08.20 | ma3x | flixil, ati radeon IGP340M |
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| 18:09.45 | flixil | is that a laptop? |
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| 18:10.11 | ma3x | flixil, yes |
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| 18:11.47 | ma3x | Section "Device" |
| 18:11.47 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.47 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.48 | ma3x | is that ok/ |
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| 18:12.08 | Thanatermesis | glxinfo not exist more on etch ? |
| 18:12.11 | Thanatermesis | o/ FliesLikeABrick |
| 18:12.14 | Thanatermesis | ops, flixil |
| 18:12.31 | ma3x | im on sid |
| 18:12.37 | flixil | well there is a propietary driver of ati called fglrx that maybe can work if ur card is recent |
| 18:12.50 | ma3x | flixil, it says no screens found |
| 18:12.55 | flixil | if not u can use the open project that i am looking for the name |
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| 18:13.08 | flixil | Thanatermesis: hallo |
| 18:13.24 | freakzoid0223 | yeah fglrx works with my radeon 9800pro |
| 18:13.49 | flixil | freakzoid0223: yes, but i don't know if that radeon integrated gr processor is very new |
| 18:14.36 | flixil | ma3x: if u use the driver called ati it has to mork with all ati (i think, maybe most) but without 3d acceleration |
| 18:14.37 | freakzoid0223 | how old is the comp? |
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| 18:15.04 | freakzoid0223 | mine is approx 2 1/2 years old |
| 18:15.06 | ma3x | flixil, if I use ati, it works, but how do I make 3daccel work? |
| 18:15.08 | flixil | freakzoid0223: i think it will work with the ati propietary driver, i thnk all the mobility rules |
| 18:15.18 | flixil | ma3x: using the ati driver u can't |
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| 18:15.36 | flixil | u have to change driver for fglrx (propietary) or an other the name of wich i am looking for |
| 18:16.05 | Thanatermesis | <flixil> if not u can use the open project that i am looking for the name <----- radeon ? |
| 18:16.20 | flixil | ohhh |
| 18:16.23 | flixil | yes |
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| 18:16.48 | ma3x | flixil, of course I can! I did that before! |
| 18:16.51 | wols_ | flixil: he already has fglrx compiled |
| 18:16.59 | bulio | how do I set my java path for azureus? |
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| 18:17.20 | wols_ | how have you installed java? |
| 18:17.26 | bulio | yes |
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| 18:18.10 | wols_ | please read my question again |
| 18:18.34 | flixil | wols_: u have the sun package of the backdown java package |
| 18:18.44 | wols_ | !u |
| 18:18.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:19.10 | Thanatermesis | u ? |
| 18:19.19 | wols_ | !tell bulio about java-package |
| 18:19.30 | wols_ | Thanatermesis: aol has its own chatrooms, or so I heard |
| 18:19.31 | Thanatermesis | http://www.debian.org.es/debconf-es2/fotos/2.html <---- U ? |
| 18:19.36 | Thanatermesis | }:D |
| 18:19.47 | Nei | heya sorry if some people read this twice, I've got a small error on updating my package lists, "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv", can someone tell me how to debug/fix this? |
| 18:20.12 | flixil | ma3x: to use fglrx u have to change ur device line of ur xorg.conf and (i'm sure u use debian) u will have no problems if u have the xorg package related to fglrx and the fglrx module |
| 18:20.29 | wols_ | Nei: sorry, no one can right now |
| 18:20.33 | flixil | ma3x: try to change that line, restart X and see if u have fglrx charged |
| 18:20.40 | wols_ | error is known, fix is not |
| 18:20.58 | bulio | how do I manually set a path? |
| 18:21.03 | bulio | ./azureus PATH=? |
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| 18:22.38 | flixil | Thanatermesis: What's U suposed to be? |
| 18:22.43 | zimnyx | Can someone pastebin a sample wpasupplicant config using 128bin WEP key? |
| 18:22.50 | zimnyx | *128bit |
| 18:22.53 | Thanatermesis | xD |
| 18:23.08 | Thanatermesis | flixil, THIS... U :D http://www.debian.org.es/debconf-es2/fotos/3.html |
| 18:23.19 | flixil | zimnyx: config of /etc/interfaces ? |
| 18:23.27 | flixil | u can now config wpa there u know? |
| 18:23.32 | Thanatermesis | (reverse of the t-shirt ;)) |
| 18:24.14 | flixil | Hahahahahaha (rotfl) |
| 18:24.15 | Thanatermesis | flixil, mas alto o mas claro ? :) |
| 18:24.19 | Thanatermesis | O:) |
| 18:24.35 | zimnyx | flixil: yeah. |
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| 18:25.01 | flixil | so what u want, example of manual config or with that file? |
| 18:25.31 | zimnyx | flixil: i don;t know how to set up conncection using 128bit WEP key |
| 18:25.33 | flixil | (I don't have any of these but the man page... I only have had the oportunity to work ():) with wep) |
| 18:25.48 | zimnyx | i tried examples.. didn't work |
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| 18:26.51 | ricky_clarkson | I have access to a Debian filesystem from Windows via E2xplorefs or whatever it's called. |
| 18:27.00 | ricky_clarkson | How can I see a list of installed packages? |
| 18:27.03 | Thanatermesis | zimnyx, install "gnome-system-tools", and configure your wep with "network-admin", after this you have the entry writed on /etc/networking/interfaces... the next time use the same example ;) |
| 18:27.51 | Thanatermesis | ricky_clarkson, without chroot, terminal, bash, console, unix/linux commands... hard :S |
| 18:28.05 | ricky_clarkson | So there isn't a handy file.. |
| 18:28.20 | whaq|away | hm.. openqrm |
| 18:28.39 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: I can get some of those things via Cygwin. |
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| 18:29.20 | Thanatermesis | mmh... if you have a chroot, is the more fast and easy way |
| 18:29.47 | ricky_clarkson | I can't mount that filesystem from Windows, afaik. |
| 18:29.58 | zimnyx | Thanatermesis: thanks! |
| 18:30.01 | ricky_clarkson | I can only read it via explore2fs. |
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| 18:30.41 | linux_user400354 | how do i prevent text from being deleted out of the .bash_history file?/msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 18:31.39 | Thanatermesis | ricky_clarkson, do you have bash + awk + grep and similar things ? |
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| 18:32.47 | infernix | occasionally my eth1 interface, connected to a DSL modem, seems to slow down incredibly, resulting in high pings and very low kb/s. a simple "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1" solves the problem. I am puzzled; i dont have trafficshaping enabled, but with or without does not seem to matter. kernel 2.6.16.19, debian sarge. any clues? maybe something with the tcpip stack? |
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| 18:37.00 | Thanatermesis | well ricky_clarkson, this is a little way: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | awk 'BEGIN{FS="\n";RS=""} /Package/ { print $1" ---------- \t "$2} ' | grep install\ ok\ installed | sort |
| 18:37.09 | |ryan| | how do you set a package to not ever be included in an apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 18:37.49 | Thanatermesis | holding it |
| 18:38.07 | alekzandr | i have a debian sarge server colocated at an isp which has crashed twice in the last two weeks, the first time with this error: |
| 18:38.07 | |ryan| | how does one hold a package? |
| 18:38.07 | alekzandr | <0> Kernel panic: Fatal exception in interrupt |
| 18:38.07 | alekzandr | In interrupt handler - not syncing |
| 18:38.53 | Thanatermesis | |ryan|, from my memory... echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:39.00 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: Heh, interesting. |
| 18:39.00 | alekzandr | i have been researching the error but do not understand what is causeing it yet, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:39.06 | Thanatermesis | |ryan|, dpkg --get-selections | grep yourpackage and look if is holded |
| 18:39.23 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: I think I've downloaded what I need now, if that turns out to be wrong I'll try that on the next but one reboot. |
| 18:39.29 | Thanatermesis | ricky_clarkson, well, playing a little with awk you made any result of you want ;) |
| 18:39.31 | |ryan| | Thanatermesis: thanks. |
| 18:39.59 | Thanatermesis | ricky_clarkson, anyways... the better solution is deleting the crappy system :D |
| 18:40.01 | |ryan| | aptitude ignores the hold, though :( |
| 18:40.29 | Thanatermesis | |ryan|, set the value "=" on aptitude then... (aptitude graphically, ncurses interface) |
| 18:40.49 | |ryan| | aptitude hold packagename does it |
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| 18:50.38 | edison | Help, i accidentally Deleted files on a FAT32 partition with rm -rf, does it have a way to revover the deleted files ? |
| 18:50.41 | cusco | portugal lala |
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| 18:51.51 | dav | cusco: shootouts arent fun |
| 18:52.01 | cusco | nops |
| 18:52.03 | cusco | thats true |
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| 18:52.23 | cusco | ronney .. what he did.. is not etic |
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| 18:53.31 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 18:53.42 | cusco | portugal lala |
| 18:53.47 | cusco | ;) |
| 18:53.58 | dav | brazil/france trading at 56% probability |
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| 18:55.55 | fishdeb | whats the latest kernel for etch? |
| 18:57.16 | Knorrie | 2.6.15-1 |
| 18:57.24 | fishdeb | k |
| 18:57.25 | Knorrie | Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 |
| 18:57.34 | fishdeb | think thats what i have now |
| 18:58.00 | fishdeb | Linux 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 18:58.01 | fishdeb | yep |
| 18:58.06 | _ds | 2.6.17 in unstable... I'm running a local build. |
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| 18:59.13 | alekzandr | Hi, i have a server that is colocated at an isp, running sarge, and in the last two weeks it has crashed twice, included a few minutes ago, and i am trying to figure out why it is happening |
| 18:59.14 | edison | Help, i accidentally Deleted files on a FAT32 partition with rm -rf, does it have a way to revover the deleted files ? |
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| 18:59.55 | wotdu | for a production server, should i run sarge or etch? |
| 19:00.05 | alekzandr | both times there was a kernel panic, and and interrupt error |
| 19:00.25 | _ds | alekzandr: serial console to capture the log |
| 19:00.58 | ttyfscker | I've been using debian for quiet some time now, I started on slackware back in about 1996, and I kind of fell away from it back years ago.. I have heard about this vector linux and how its slackware based. I know that its kinda stupid to ask this question in a #debian channel, but honestly, has anyone ever migrated from debian to vector linux? If so was it worth trying? |
| 19:01.10 | alekzandr | _ds |
| 19:01.26 | alekzandr | _ds: i have no means to do that, is there another approach? |
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| 19:01.46 | Supaplex | ttyfscker: what's to migrate? isn't slack just source based? |
| 19:02.04 | _ds | Netconsole, if you have another suitably-accessible machine on the same network |
| 19:02.29 | ttyfscker | slack is source based but it comes with package information to make the source install trouble free.. Supaplex its nothing like gentoo if thats what you mean |
| 19:03.11 | Supaplex | I know there's debtakeover, but that's the oppsite of what you want. |
| 19:04.06 | ttyfscker | debtakeover? |
| 19:04.10 | Kevin` | slack isn't source based, and doesn't have package dependency information.. |
| 19:04.13 | Supaplex | !debtakeover |
| 19:04.13 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 19:05.25 | ttyfscker | Supaplex: that doesnt seem to make much sense ill have to check that site out to fully understand |
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| 19:08.42 | arturaz | anyone has any ideas how to make logrotate to email log files compressed? |
| 19:09.38 | freezombie | hi. is anyone using a composite manager and has a gecko-based browser (epiphany, firefox, mozilla) installed ? if so, could you please visit http://nuxified.org/ , scroll down a bit and tell me whether the "Latest Forum topic" bar at the bottom moves correctly ? |
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| 19:11.36 | kepht | whats the issue with security.debian.org and executing gpgv ? |
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| 19:12.24 | kepht | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
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| 19:12.36 | michealp | freezombie: yes, it fine but hardly noticable |
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| 19:13.18 | freezombie | michealp, what driver and architecture are you using ? |
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| 19:13.55 | freezombie | I'm having problems there with nvidia and amd64 |
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| 19:17.33 | freezombie | michealp ? |
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| 19:20.03 | michealp | freezombie: Ubuntu |
| 19:20.24 | freezombie | what driver ? nvidia ? ati ? |
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| 19:20.40 | freezombie | what architecture ? x86 ? amd64 ? |
| 19:20.48 | michealp | freezombie: I'm not understanding why what driver I use matters, but x86 nvidia |
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| 19:21.28 | freezombie | because I am having a rendering error, and I would like to pinpoint where the error occurs |
| 19:21.36 | Orfeous | i am looking for a bootdisk with reiserfs and usb support. |
| 19:21.39 | Orfeous | where can i find one? |
| 19:21.49 | freezombie | bootdisk ? as in floppy ? |
| 19:21.52 | Orfeous | yes |
| 19:21.55 | Orfeous | 1.44MB |
| 19:22.16 | michealp | freezombie: an HTML/CSS rendering error is related to the browser used ... not graphics driver |
| 19:23.08 | freezombie | michealp, it only occurs when composite is enabled, so it cannot be purely the browser, you are using the same browser as I and do not have this problem. |
| 19:23.26 | Orfeous | freezombie, can you help me find one? |
| 19:23.52 | _ds | Could be compositor or graphics driver bugs, yes - I see one which affects window title bars whose shape changes as the title's length is changed. |
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| 19:24.12 | _ds | (X.org radeon driver, if you're wondering.) |
| 19:24.19 | h2 | freezombie: what's the rendering error you see? |
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| 19:25.24 | edison | Help, i accidentally Deleted files on a FAT32 partition with rm -rf, does it have a way to revover the deleted files ? / The answer is YES use fatback-1.3 |
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| 19:27.12 | blondie | edison: is that a question? |
| 19:27.26 | asperon | hi guys, i have a ati remote wonder that i want to use with lirc under debian, is there anything special i need to do to get this to work (since its seems like it isn't right now), i have disabled to ati_remote.ko (since i read that it couldn't coexist with lirc)? |
| 19:28.31 | freezombie | http://zombiehq.xyzplanet.net/~thomas/scrot2.jpg - this disappears when firefox looses focus. |
| 19:28.40 | _ds | JPEG? For a screenshot? |
| 19:29.21 | freezombie | _ds, that was the random jpg vs png choice saying jpg this time ;) |
| 19:29.25 | _ds | ... yes, *lots* of artefacts introduced by the lossiness of JPEG. |
| 19:30.03 | freezombie | _ds, that's not the point. look at the latest forum topic bar, or bars more like |
| 19:30.48 | freezombie | this occurs when scrolling in firefox 64 and 32 bit and mozilla 32 bit, not konquerorm and ONLY with a running composite manager |
| 19:31.05 | _ds | I'm not seeing any problems. |
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| 19:31.26 | h2 | the latest forum topic is floating over the comment text area |
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| 19:32.20 | freezombie | and I have not yet found anyone why also has this problem. |
| 19:33.09 | dvs | @wb |
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| 19:33.10 | ravenbird | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 19:33.20 | h2 | freezombie: do you have a url for that screen shot |
| 19:33.20 | Thanatermesis | dvs, the kernel-image has build correctly, but i have a error message for the next (headers and source), its normal ? http://pastebin.ca/76533 |
| 19:33.27 | edison | blondie: that an question with my answer, because no body have answer i put what i found to your information ! |
| 19:33.33 | freezombie | h2, a url ? |
| 19:33.44 | h2 | somewhere I can see if it does the same thing in my firefox |
| 19:33.46 | bonez41 | I am searching for a file, containing the string 'Survey' .. among several letter files.....how do I find all the files with that string? |
| 19:33.49 | h2 | a webpage |
| 19:33.57 | freezombie | h2, everywhere on http://www.nuxified.org/ |
| 19:34.01 | dvs | Thanatermesis: I have no idea what that means |
| 19:34.15 | blondie | edison: ah right |
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| 19:36.46 | h2 | freezombie: do I have to register to find that comment text area? |
| 19:37.30 | freezombie | the comment text area is unimportant. it always occurs when scrolling down with a composite manager enabled there. |
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| 19:42.22 | abchirk | hi all! anyone knows how i can find out the cache of my harddisk? with which command? |
| 19:42.46 | h2 | freezombie: sorry, can't duplicate it |
| 19:43.44 | freezombie | h2, are you running a composite manager ? what arch/distribution/driver are you using ? (to further pinpoint the problem if possible) |
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| 19:45.56 | catch23 | anyone here have experience with using scsi tools for rescanning and hot swapping disks? |
| 19:46.11 | h2 | yes, kanotix, VER=1.0-7676 I think though I'm not sure |
| 19:46.40 | freezombie | architecture is x86 ? |
| 19:47.01 | h2 | amd 3000 64 in 32 bit |
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| 19:47.40 | freezombie | so a completely 32 bit system |
| 19:47.58 | h2 | yes, though i have a 64 bit version installed too |
| 19:48.01 | freezombie | I suppose I'll just report this as a bug on firefox and see what happens |
| 19:48.09 | _ds | FWIW, I've seen interesting GL bugs when running 32-bit apps on 64-bit X... |
| 19:48.32 | _ds | freezombie: which driver? |
| 19:48.53 | h2 | no css errors according to w3.org, but that doesn't always mean there are no errors in terms of conflicts etc |
| 19:49.06 | freezombie | nvidia 1.0-8556 and -8562 I think |
| 19:49.12 | h2 | good luck |
| 19:49.18 | freezombie | thanks... |
| 19:49.25 | _ds | freezombie, tried nv? |
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| 19:49.50 | freezombie | _ds, this only occurs with a composite manager rinning, so I can't try any other drivers |
| 19:50.05 | hesco_ | while able to interact with the camera at the command line with gphoto, I have been unable to make gtkam recognize the camera, either using its Camera -> Rescan method or its Camera->Add_Camera popup. The camera is listed twice in the Model drop down menu. I've pursued the configurations recommended at: http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html and http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions.html, read and followed the advi |
| 19:50.07 | _ds | Hmm. So the nv driver doesn't support that... |
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| 19:50.19 | MasterMedic | I was wondering how to restart the network? |
| 19:50.52 | abchirk | ah with: cat /proc/ide/hda/cache |
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| 19:51.12 | freezombie | @Master_Medic *guess* /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:51.20 | MasterMedic | umk |
| 19:51.28 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 19:51.29 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 19:51.37 | MasterMedic | wols_, i installed those two things you told me to and its still not working on the fc4 box |
| 19:51.41 | hesco_ | and frankly, I'm stumped. I haven't installed in several months, I've only made this work once before I think, I'm wondering if gtkam is working and supported and such. What are other's experience? |
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| 19:52.28 | MasterMedic | Determining IP information for eth0... failed: no link present. Check cable? [Failed] |
| 19:52.46 | MasterMedic | i set the fedora box to dhcp and everything |
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| 19:59.16 | ttyfscker | why is mplayer not in "etch" mirrors? |
| 19:59.29 | zinx | !tell ttyfscker about mplayer |
| 20:00.29 | streuner | zinx: damn - your fast :-) |
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| 20:03.20 | ttyfscker | zinx: whats the default console app that plays wav files in deb? |
| 20:03.35 | ttyfscker | i need it to set up my sound in xchat |
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| 20:03.55 | peterS | ttyfscker: probably 'play' from the sox package, or 'bplay' from the bplay package |
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| 20:05.16 | phaedrus44 | bah..i need some major help fast! |
| 20:05.16 | phaedrus44 | hehe |
| 20:05.43 | ktwilight | !help |
| 20:05.46 | phaedrus44 | i have my cable modem plugged nto the usb port on my computer...but i dont know how to get it to werk... |
| 20:05.46 | phaedrus44 | any help? |
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| 20:06.04 | stew | !wb gravity |
| 20:06.05 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gravity has returned! |
| 20:06.14 | gravity | :-) |
| 20:06.15 | peterS | phaedrus44: if the cable modem also has an ethernet port, and you happen to have an ethernet card, that is usually much easier to set up |
| 20:07.10 | peterS | phaedrus44: but if you have to do it as USB, figure out what kind of chip it is. 'lsusb' will tell. |
| 20:07.15 | catch23 | huh weird, cable modem with usb port? |
| 20:07.48 | catch23 | must be to prevent users from using a standard wireless router |
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| 20:07.55 | crazy_penguin | i wish a good night to all! take care! |
| 20:08.00 | peterS | catch23: yeah I dunno what it uses, maybe a usb ethernet bridge |
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| 20:08.13 | plugwash | where does the debian mysql package store the actual database tables? |
| 20:08.26 | stew | plugwash: /var/lib/mysql |
| 20:08.42 | war92 | After I upgraded my Etch installation, udev was installed and /dev/dsp disappeared and my audio does not work anymore, how do i fix? $ ls -ld /dev/dsp > ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 20:08.56 | stew | war92: modprove snd-pcm-oss |
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| 20:09.02 | dvs | war92: Are you using ALSA? |
| 20:09.04 | stew | war92: and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 20:09.29 | catch23 | it's probably /dev/dsp0 |
| 20:09.37 | war92 | dvs: yes |
| 20:09.40 | lo | *grog* |
| 20:09.43 | war92 | default etch install mostly |
| 20:09.44 | plugwash | i blew away /var/cache by mistake now mediawiki is reporting a can't open table error from mysql |
| 20:09.45 | dvs | war92: then listen to stew |
| 20:09.57 | war92 | stew: how do I make it set the permisisons to 666 after the modprobe with udev? |
| 20:10.08 | war92 | (automatically) |
| 20:10.11 | dvs | war92: add yourself to the audio group |
| 20:10.11 | lo | mmm bills $2800... income... $2700... lovely. |
| 20:10.13 | plugwash | at first i thought the table might be stored in /var/cache but lukilly this doesn't seem to be the case |
| 20:10.13 | war92 | k |
| 20:10.15 | lo | I love bill day. |
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| 20:10.23 | plugwash | any idea how to fix this? |
| 20:11.08 | war92 | thanks |
| 20:11.17 | dvs | war92: you have to log out and back in again |
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| 20:11.23 | war92 | dvs: rebooting now yup |
| 20:11.29 | dvs | ok |
| 20:11.35 | catch23 | plugwash, i'd probably start with the log files, or try to connect to mysql via commandline and see what errors pop up |
| 20:11.39 | Orfeous | still searching for bootdisks.. |
| 20:12.03 | Orfeous | with NIC support |
| 20:12.06 | Orfeous | and reiserfs |
| 20:12.10 | catch23 | plugwash, or switch to twiki, so you don't have to deal with a separate subsystem to manage wiki data |
| 20:12.34 | phaedrus44 | peters: thanks for the advice...it does have an ethernet port...but i really need to use the usb opiton |
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| 20:13.29 | peterS | phaedrus44: then answer the question |
| 20:14.12 | phaedrus44 | hey stew wussup |
| 20:14.23 | phaedrus44 | peterS: lsusb only puts out 12f7:1a00 |
| 20:14.25 | phaedrus44 | i dont know what to do with tha |
| 20:14.47 | dvs | phaedrus44: update-usbids |
| 20:15.01 | peterS | phaedrus44: I don't see any kernel modules that know what that is |
| 20:15.13 | peterS | phaedrus44: but perhaps it presents itself as a usbnet device? |
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| 20:15.33 | plugwash | i'd suggest googling the numbers |
| 20:15.49 | plugwash | if that doesn't find anything it probablly means its not supported by a widely known driver |
| 20:16.15 | peterS | phaedrus44: so for example the 'cdc_ether' kernel module might deal with it, though I vaguely doubt it |
| 20:16.22 | plugwash | grr it seems my blowing away of /var/log may have been part of my problem |
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| 20:16.47 | plugwash | (i did that on purpose i didn't want/need the logs and i was desperate for disk space) |
| 20:17.35 | jelly-home | plugwash: you could have just null-ed the files. |
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| 20:17.59 | lkj1 | If I got two of these could I install them on my Gateway mx7525? http://tinyurl.com/pk8vl ? Gateway support says I have 1024 MB DDR (2 Ă 512 MB) SODIMM (PC2700) |
| 20:18.02 | plugwash | jelly-home maybe i could have done but i didn't i used rm -rf |
| 20:18.12 | plugwash | is there a way to make a number of nested directories in one step? |
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| 20:18.35 | _ds | mkdir -p |
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| 20:19.41 | catch23 | plugwash, why were you so desperate for diskspace that caused you to blow away all those important directories? |
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| 20:19.47 | jelly-home | plugwash: so what else have you rm -rfed? |
| 20:20.02 | plugwash | just /var/cache and /var/log |
| 20:20.06 | phaedrus44 | this network cuts in and out |
| 20:20.30 | jelly-home | plugwash: perhaps reinstalling packages which use /var/log might be useful. |
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| 20:20.53 | catch23 | plugwash: be sure to use something like backuppc next time :-) |
| 20:20.58 | plugwash | i thought they were just unimportant temp stuff (which they are afaict) the problem is some apps are sensitive to the dirs being missing |
| 20:21.27 | peterS | phaedrus44: USB connections to such things as cable modems are usually pretty proprietary, so my earlier advice stands. use the ethernet port. if you have to, go buy a $8 ethernet card and stick it in a PCI slot. |
| 20:22.17 | jelly-home | plugwash: the contents of /var/cache/* are supposed be nonessential (Debian policy states this, I think), but I'm not sure about the directory structure. |
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| 20:23.47 | jelly-home | plugwash: I'd reinstall packages shown in dpkg -S /var/log /var/cache |
| 20:24.18 | _ds | Actually, dpkg -S /var/log\* /var/cache\* |
| 20:24.36 | heh_v_water | anyone seen this before? |
| 20:24.38 | heh_v_water | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: value for `status' field not allowed in this context |
| 20:24.53 | plugwash | ok restarting mysql seemed to fix the database errors |
| 20:25.15 | _ds | (or something else under /var) |
| 20:25.51 | plugwash | btw does debian have any default mechanism for expiring logs? |
| 20:26.03 | plugwash | or do they just stick arround until the admin cleans them up? |
| 20:26.10 | _ds | Cause: configuring "AGP fast write = on" in the BIOS => lockup when starting X |
| 20:26.13 | dvs | plugwash: logrotate |
| 20:26.27 | stoned | dvs, sup |
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| 20:26.48 | dvs | stoned: England lost! ahahahhahhah! |
| 20:26.51 | stoned | man it is burning hot outside, is the air conditioner on in #debian |
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| 20:26.53 | stoned | HELL YES! |
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| 20:26.55 | jelly-home | plugwash: check out logrotate and /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 20:26.55 | stoned | ahem |
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| 20:27.37 | stoned | dvs, I dunno about soccer, but even though Cricket is the National English sport, they have never won a world cup, and my country, PAKISTAN! has :D |
| 20:27.50 | phaedrus444 | peterS: I got this from the lsusb 0930:0307 Toshiba Corp. |
| 20:27.52 | stoned | I wonder, if pakistan is on the football world cup |
| 20:28.05 | phaedrus444 | i am trying to use the usb option for the cable modem |
| 20:28.12 | eastwood | stoned, it wasn't |
| 20:28.15 | phaedrus444 | anyone else? |
| 20:28.15 | dvs | stoned: I don't remember if they qualified. |
| 20:28.18 | stoned | ahh |
| 20:28.29 | stoned | phaedrus444, why not ethernet? |
| 20:28.39 | eastwood | phaedrus444, brand? |
| 20:28.41 | phaedrus444 | i cant use it |
| 20:28.43 | stoned | phaedrus444, much better transfer rates. why are you trying to use the usb with cable modem |
| 20:28.44 | phaedrus444 | no time to explain |
| 20:28.50 | eastwood | better and faster |
| 20:28.52 | stoned | hmm, ok |
| 20:28.53 | peterS | phaedrus444: no time to help, then |
| 20:28.59 | phaedrus444 | hehe |
| 20:29.01 | peterS | phaedrus444: we told you what to do, you won't do it, and you won't tell us why not |
| 20:29.03 | stoned | peterS, well said |
| 20:29.19 | eastwood | dito |
| 20:29.25 | peterS | phaedrus444: I still don't see any kernel modules that know what to do with a 0930 / 0307 |
| 20:29.27 | stoned | eastwood, hola! |
| 20:29.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:29.33 | eastwood | hola bitch |
| 20:29.39 | eastwood | puta |
| 20:29.41 | eastwood | i mean |
| 20:29.43 | stoned | lol |
| 20:29.49 | peterS | phaedrus444: you can try your luck with generic modules like cdc_ether but I'm betting against them |
| 20:29.49 | dvs | doh! |
| 20:29.50 | stoned | yes I can be, at times |
| 20:30.11 | catch23 | I'd guess the usb port for the cable modem is probably used for flashing the firmware anyway? since it also has an ethernet port on it anyway.... |
| 20:30.18 | phaedrus444 | i just cant use ethernet right now |
| 20:30.18 | phaedrus444 | i HAVE to use the usb option |
| 20:30.18 | phaedrus444 | before the network died again all i got for instructions was to use the lsusb to find out what chip |
| 20:30.37 | stoned | phaedrus444, why can't you use ethernet? |
| 20:31.08 | phaedrus444 | dont have a cable long enbough |
| 20:31.11 | phaedrus444 | enough |
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| 20:31.18 | stoned | eastwood, just got back from band practice. New band I started with, they aren't half bad, highly advanced and very technical punkish metal, called Suicide Mission |
| 20:31.22 | phaedrus444 | but i do have a usb cable long enough |
| 20:31.32 | catch23 | phaedrus444: hah, what a crappy reason |
| 20:31.37 | eastwood | wireless? |
| 20:31.37 | phaedrus444 | this network is gonna die out in a minute..... |
| 20:31.39 | stoned | phaedrus444, patch cables 20 foot is like 10$ at an electronics store |
| 20:31.51 | phaedrus444 | hehe |
| 20:31.51 | peterS | phaedrus444: USB cables aren't allowed to be longer than 5 meters. finding an ethernet cable that long isn't all that hard. |
| 20:31.58 | eastwood | but yes its a crappy reason |
| 20:32.07 | dvs | they can ge 100 metres |
| 20:32.13 | dvs | *be |
| 20:32.16 | catch23 | phaedrus444: usually usb cables won't go longer than 15 feet without signal loss, whereas ethernet cables will go much farther |
| 20:32.20 | eastwood | they can be longer |
| 20:32.26 | eastwood | but they lose signal power |
| 20:32.33 | stoned | _ds, how do you do the pound currency sign? |
| 20:32.38 | _ds | Shift-3. |
| 20:32.56 | stoned | no not the hash mark #, I mean the E looking thing you did |
| 20:32.56 | dvs | _ds: No, the L with the horiz line through it |
| 20:33.04 | blondie | stoned: that's shift-3 |
| 20:33.10 | stoned | # == shift 3 |
| 20:33.12 | blondie | shift 3 = pound sterling symbol |
| 20:33.14 | peterS | stoned: he's using a UK keyboard layout and you probably are not |
| 20:33.22 | peterS | stoned: stop assuming everyone in the world uses your keyboard layout (: |
| 20:33.23 | stoned | peterS, ohhh ok |
| 20:33.28 | stoned | lol |
| 20:33.28 | eastwood | stoned, cool to know that you have a band |
| 20:33.33 | blondie | # = hash = left of Return |
| 20:33.34 | phaedrus444 | stoned ...really i had NO idea how much a cable costs WOW..... |
| 20:33.34 | phaedrus444 | catch23 i have used this same cable on a winblows box.....so is it a linux thing with the 15 foot restriction? |
| 20:33.34 | eastwood | :P |
| 20:33.38 | blondie | (not shifted) |
| 20:33.45 | stoned | phaedrus444, sarcasm is lost on me |
| 20:33.48 | eastwood | phaedrus444, 10m ?4 |
| 20:33.49 | wols_ | no it's a USB thing |
| 20:34.04 | plugwash | stoned by the e looking thing you mean Ł? |
| 20:34.04 | eastwood | you can make 1 for less |
| 20:34.08 | phaedrus444 | sarcasm? |
| 20:34.11 | stoned | plugwash, yes |
| 20:34.11 | blondie | phaedrus444: the USB specs state the maximum length of cables without a hub |
| 20:34.25 | plugwash | stoned not on a US keyboard i'm afraid |
| 20:34.28 | _ds | Ł at console, non-UK: probably Compose 'L' '-' |
| 20:34.35 | _ds | (note capital L) |
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| 20:34.40 | stoned | plugwash, thanks, I've been told that. |
| 20:34.54 | jelly-home | _ds: that's not pound sterling, that L something |
| 20:35.01 | peterS | phaedrus444: no, it's the USB physical wire protocol. if you want something longer than 15 feet you have to use either a repeater (i.e., hub) or convert to some other sort of electric signal - there are boxes out there where you have a 4-port USB hub at one end and a single USB cable at the other end and it uses a custom protocol over cat5 in between, for example |
| 20:35.06 | _ds | Looks identical :-) |
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| 20:35.24 | stoned | and what the hell is with all the confusion? |
| 20:35.26 | stoned | <stoned> _ds, how do you do the pound currency sign? |
| 20:35.26 | _ds | Hmm, same code sequence too... |
| 20:35.31 | blondie | USB cables longer than 5m might work, but shouldn't be relied on |
| 20:35.36 | stoned | note: I said 'currency' |
| 20:35.42 | jelly-home | ÂŁ <- pound |
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| 20:35.50 | eastwood | ? <- Euro |
| 20:35.50 | stoned | so if I said currency pound sign, then you can't really tell me shift 3 |
| 20:35.52 | stoned | can you? |
| 20:35.53 | blondie | stoned: what other pound symbol is there than the currency one? |
| 20:35.54 | stoned | doesn't make sense |
| 20:35.56 | blondie | stoned: YES |
| 20:35.58 | stoned | # |
| 20:36.00 | blondie | # is NOT pound, it's hash |
| 20:36.04 | stoned | its called pound in the usa |
| 20:36.19 | dvs | blondie: some people do call that pound, which is dumb |
| 20:36.22 | peterS | stoned: of course he can, ÂŁ IS SHIFT 3 ON UK KEYBOARDS. please get this straight. |
| 20:36.29 | stoned | ahh |
| 20:36.33 | _ds | # is next to Return. |
| 20:36.35 | stoned | now I get it |
| 20:36.37 | _ds | As is ~. |
| 20:36.39 | eastwood | here it's altgr-3 |
| 20:36.50 | _ds | " is Shift-2. |
| 20:36.53 | blondie | stoned: you only call it pound because you get confused with # being in the wrong place (i.e. where Pound should be) |
| 20:36.58 | blondie | @ is shift ' |
| 20:36.58 | _ds | @ is Shift-apostrophe. |
| 20:37.11 | blondie | and \ is left of Z |
| 20:37.13 | Orfeous | please help me to find a bootdisk for floppy with reiserfs,network and usb support. |
| 20:37.14 | peterS | blondie: no, # is used as a unit marker for avoirdupois pounds, sometimes |
| 20:37.15 | dvs | blondie: that a tilde for us ~ |
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| 20:37.22 | stoned | blondie, well I mean I its called Hash but its also called pound here and I didn't know if pound is correct or not for this # symbol |
| 20:37.37 | blondie | dvs: what is? |
| 20:37.40 | jelly-home | ⌠|
| 20:37.45 | stoned | i know* |
| 20:37.45 | dvs | blondie: @ |
| 20:37.49 | blondie | # means "number of" |
| 20:37.53 | Master_Medic | hello |
| 20:38.01 | blondie | dvs: I think it's actually " |
| 20:38.05 | jelly-home | blondie: why not call # "grill" |
| 20:38.05 | blondie | on US keyboards |
| 20:38.08 | stoned | Orfeous, system crashed? |
| 20:38.13 | Master_Medic | wols_, are you still around? i wanted to know if i need a crossover cable or if my current setup should work fine |
| 20:38.17 | blondie | jelly-home: because it's already got a name? :P |
| 20:38.18 | Master_Medic | i only have a regular cable |
| 20:38.27 | dvs | jelly-home: They do have another name for #, octo-something |
| 20:38.31 | blondie | Master_Medic: cable for what? |
| 20:38.34 | _ds | Octothorpe? |
| 20:38.38 | eastwood | pc 2 pc -> crossover |
| 20:38.39 | jelly-home | dvs: not pussy |
| 20:38.41 | peterS | octothorpe / octalthorpe - I never remember which is correct |
| 20:38.43 | stoned | lol |
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| 20:38.49 | dvs | jelly-home: ummmm.... no |
| 20:38.49 | stoned | I need me some of that |
| 20:38.53 | Master_Medic | internet --> sid (comp1) --> usbToEthernet --> comp2 |
| 20:38.54 | blondie | Master_Medic: a crossover cable will work, and might be needed |
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| 20:38.59 | dvs | peterS: Yeah, that's it |
| 20:39.03 | blondie | new network cards tend not to need crossover cables |
| 20:39.10 | blondie | they do it automatically |
| 20:39.21 | eastwood | they crossover in the chip |
| 20:39.22 | blondie | so try and it see |
| 20:39.23 | peterS | blondie: gigabit cards don't. 100baseTX cards still often do. new _switches_ usually don't. |
| 20:39.23 | Master_Medic | would the usbToEthernet adapter do anything? |
| 20:39.31 | jelly-home | stoned: Here, have one: http://www.ceilingcat.com/ |
| 20:39.31 | Orfeous | stoned, no but i have moved my server to my new apartment and when i started it up my monitor displayed strange green and red pixels all over.. seems that my kernel are using a strange vesa or vga mode or something. if i boot with a rescue floppy the screen is ok. |
| 20:39.33 | Master_Medic | i'm saying because my current setup doesnt work |
| 20:39.34 | concept10 | hey |
| 20:39.34 | blondie | peterS: well the stuff I have doesn't :P |
| 20:39.40 | peterS | Master_Medic: it wouldn't be cheaper than an ethernet cable |
| 20:39.50 | peterS | Master_Medic: he doesn't want to buy one of those, so. |
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| 20:40.03 | Master_Medic | peterS, huh? |
| 20:40.15 | stoned | Orfeous, is this only in X or in console as well? |
| 20:40.37 | blondie | _ds: I have an annoying UK keyboard with #/~ there |
| 20:40.51 | Orfeous | stoned, console.. |
| 20:40.53 | stoned | Orfeous, can you boot into recovery mode without using a floppy? |
| 20:40.53 | peterS | Master_Medic: oh I thought we were still talking about phaedrus444 and his desire to use a USB cable to connect to his cable modem because it's longer than his ethernet cable |
| 20:40.58 | _ds | blondie: annoying in what way? |
| 20:41.04 | blondie | _ds: it was in the wrong place |
| 20:41.13 | _ds | Left of Backspace? |
| 20:41.26 | Orfeous | stoned, i can bootup some old kernels but in them i dont have usb support and i cant use my keyboard then :D |
| 20:41.33 | blondie | the backspace was half the size it should be, with #/~ next to it |
| 20:41.35 | stoned | Orfeous, you can boot with the floppy, but then you can't access RFS disks? |
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| 20:41.39 | stoned | Orfeous, hmmm |
| 20:41.40 | Ragnaroek | hello |
| 20:41.43 | concept10 | fdisk -l lists all partitions, correct? |
| 20:41.45 | Vaylor | hi all! |
| 20:41.51 | stoned | concept10, yes |
| 20:41.52 | Orfeous | stone, maybe i explained myself bad.. |
| 20:41.54 | blondie | Orfeous: that depends on your BIOS |
| 20:41.55 | _ds | blondie: a keyboard like that near here... |
| 20:41.59 | _ds | Not mine, though :-) |
| 20:42.13 | blondie | _ds: it's an old one (15 years) but it's still quite nice apart form that |
| 20:42.19 | blondie | I replaced the plug with a PS2 one |
| 20:42.40 | concept10 | stoned : I was wondering why I had sda1/2 and 5 (swap) |
| 20:42.52 | stoned | concept10, sata? scsi? |
| 20:43.00 | eastwood | sata HD |
| 20:43.01 | concept10 | i thought that fdisk wasnt showing all partitions |
| 20:43.13 | concept10 | stoned scsi |
| 20:43.18 | concept10 | i know about sda |
| 20:44.08 | stoned | concept10, so you want to know what happened to sda3/4 |
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| 20:44.18 | stoned | concept10, how the hell should we know, you |
| 20:44.19 | Orfeous | stoned, dont know what is wrong or how i can fix this :( |
| 20:44.19 | eastwood | logical partitions |
| 20:44.20 | concept10 | the real problem is that parted will not allow me to make a new partition stoned |
| 20:44.21 | Orfeous | i am stuck |
| 20:44.22 | stoned | you're the one who setup your partitions |
| 20:44.25 | Ragnaroek | I'll soon find out |
| 20:44.28 | stoned | ahh |
| 20:44.32 | stoned | concept10, try cfdisk |
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| 20:44.52 | stoned | concept10, if you have free space, you can make partitions |
| 20:45.00 | Vasistha | I seem to have forgotten my root mysql password. I have nothing important in the DB, I can just wipe it and start fresh. Is there an easy way to just reconfigure the package and reset the password? |
| 20:45.15 | eastwood | Vasistha, dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:45.20 | stoned | Orfeous, if you can get into your system at all, you can try removing the conflicting kernel modules |
| 20:45.20 | eastwood | mysqld maybe |
| 20:45.25 | Gathond | Vasistha: I believe the mysql manual states how to reset ones password |
| 20:45.30 | asperon | hi guys, while trying to get lirc to work on my etch box i renamed my ati_remote.ko file (since there was some kind of conflict between it and lirc). I have now removed lirc, but i cant get the kernel to load the ati_remote.ko anymore |
| 20:45.34 | asperon | what should i do? |
| 20:45.41 | Vasistha | thanks eastwood ... Gathond, that sounds even better! |
| 20:45.48 | Gathond | Vasistha: iirc its basically starting the DB without any auth tables, then everyone is just root:) |
| 20:46.00 | Gathond | Vasistha: then fix whatever then restart it in normal mode |
| 20:46.22 | concept10 | stoned , i just used default sarge stoned : thanks. i should have listened earlier |
| 20:46.32 | Orfeous | stoned, yes i can get into my system with a rescue bootdisk and telling lilo that root in on my /dev/hda1 |
| 20:46.33 | asperon | hehe, unplugging and replugging it solved that problem |
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| 20:47.25 | Orfeous | stoned, the strange is that i can ping the debian computer from my computer but i cant ssh to it :) it worked before. |
| 20:47.26 | Orfeous | strange |
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| 20:47.37 | _ds | sshd running? |
| 20:47.38 | stoned | Orfeous, do you have sshd running on the server? |
| 20:47.47 | Orfeous | stoned, yes |
| 20:47.48 | stoned | Orfeous, ps x|grep sshd |
| 20:47.54 | stoned | make sure its running |
| 20:48.15 | Orfeous | stone, i cant see if its running because the console screen are unreadable.. |
| 20:48.15 | stoned | Orfeous, and about the conflicting video modules, just remove them |
| 20:48.21 | Orfeous | many green and red dots.. |
| 20:48.23 | stoned | ahh |
| 20:48.26 | Orfeous | instead of text |
| 20:48.52 | _ds | Fun... are you using an fb console? If so, fbset may help here. |
| 20:49.03 | _ds | Then again, it may not :-) |
| 20:49.21 | Orfeous | i think i have compiled fb in kernel.. |
| 20:49.32 | Orfeous | maybe this are causing..? |
| 20:50.13 | Orfeous | can i tell lilo to not use all those? and only use defaults.. like "lilo vga=default" etc.. |
| 20:50.16 | _ds | It /may/ be the problem, but X's reconfiguration of the graphics hardware can also cause the fb driver some problems. |
| 20:50.43 | stoned | Orfeous, yes, you can pass parameters to the kernel |
| 20:51.05 | Orfeous | stoned, ok.. what can i try to get rid of these? |
| 20:51.05 | stoned | Orfeous, I personally do NOT know lilo, so I can't help you there, but I know grub's menu.lst |
| 20:51.23 | Orfeous | stone, i am using a red menu.. |
| 20:51.29 | concept10 | stoned .. using cfdisk should i start with the partition or just the drive i.e cfdisk /dev/sda , etc? |
| 20:51.42 | stoned | concept10, just the disk |
| 20:51.58 | stoned | concept10, like /dev/hda or /dev/hdb or /dev/sda etc. |
| 20:52.02 | concept10 | stoned because it will not let me partition either when i use the n command, it says 'disk in use.' |
| 20:52.17 | blondie | football-- |
| 20:52.23 | concept10 | i need to brush up on my skills |
| 20:52.24 | Orfeous | stoned, if i boot with another kernel or a boot rescue disk i dont have this unreadable screen in console. |
| 20:52.39 | Orfeous | stoned, what can cause this? |
| 20:52.47 | _ds | Never repartition a disk with mounted partitions :-) |
| 20:52.58 | stoned | Orfeous, well if you can get into it and read it, then just remove the modules that are causing this problem |
| 20:53.07 | stoned | concept10, hold on, I don't have cfdisk and apparantly... |
| 20:53.10 | stoned | !info cfdisk sid |
| 20:53.10 | Akbar | :( |
| 20:53.11 | Orfeous | stoned, i have no modules.. :P |
| 20:53.23 | Orfeous | _ds, maybe you have a clue? |
| 20:53.23 | stoned | cfdisk is not in sid |
| 20:53.36 | stoned | Orfeous, cat /etc/modules |
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| 20:53.54 | stoned | Orfeous, you said you had loaded the vesa module that was causing problem or didn't you |
| 20:54.02 | Thuryn | Hi |
| 20:54.04 | Orfeous | stoned, everything is built in the kernel directly |
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| 20:54.28 | concept10 | should disks be unmounted in order to make changes such as adding a partition/filesys? |
| 20:54.36 | _ds | Yes. |
| 20:54.41 | stoned | always |
| 20:54.51 | concept10 | well blow me down |
| 20:55.05 | Orfeous | stoned, maybe i must make a reinstall :( |
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| 20:55.31 | stoned | Orfeous, man I dunno |
| 20:55.39 | stoned | Orfeous, still thinking |
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| 20:56.33 | zirikili | I have acidentaly erased the partition table. how may I rebuild it before boot again? |
| 20:56.36 | _ds | Orfeous, fresh kernel seems like a good idea - with the fb support made modular. |
| 20:56.59 | Thanatermesis | any person knows about the diference between the drivers "zyxel 630-11" and "AAM6000UG) ? |
| 20:56.59 | Thanatermesis | are diferent drivers ? |
| 20:57.34 | concept10 | i dont get this. if you umount a drive, how the hell can it access apps such as cfdisk? |
| 20:57.36 | _ds | concept10: use a tmpfs? |
| 20:57.46 | _ds | Or a boot/rescue disk/CD/DVD? |
| 20:57.51 | stoned | concept10, if I am not mistaken you can make partitions with free space on a disk without umounting |
| 20:57.55 | stoned | I think* |
| 20:58.06 | _ds | Hmm... could work... |
| 20:58.25 | _ds | Just be very careful :-) |
| 20:58.42 | stoned | concept10, yes you can |
| 20:59.26 | _ds | Erk, dodgy Dutchman on ITV. |
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| 21:00.36 | LinuxHelp | Where can I get a .deb for the Sun JRE 1.5SE ? |
| 21:00.51 | stoned | LinuxHelp, which debian distro? |
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| 21:00.55 | LinuxHelp | stable |
| 21:01.00 | stoned | !java-package |
| 21:01.01 | dpkg | i heard java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 21:01.01 | concept10 | stoned you just did it? |
| 21:01.05 | stoned | concept10, yes |
| 21:01.21 | stoned | I made sure before I gave you information |
| 21:01.43 | stoned | LinuxHelp, if you can't get that to work for you, then you can backport it from sid |
| 21:01.50 | stoned | !tell LinuxHelp -about simple sid backport |
| 21:01.58 | stoned | !info sun-java5-jre |
| 21:01.59 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-06-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7169 kB, Installed size: 15568 kB |
| 21:02.14 | zirikili | my partition table is erased. is there anyway to build it from df information or something else? |
| 21:02.19 | concept10 | stoned - i did this cfdisk /dev/sda, it starts I use n [new partition] and it says disk already in use. im i doing something wrong |
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| 21:02.35 | stoned | concept10, is the disk mounted? |
| 21:02.40 | NaRaK | any links for how to create motd on debian? I mean what triggers to use to show current cpu usage, number of logged in users, meminfo and other more or less usefull info on loging to box |
| 21:03.18 | concept10 | stoned yes, i umounted, tried, same result, so i remounted again, same result.. did you say you were unmounted? |
| 21:03.20 | gravity | NaRaK: /etc/motd holds the text that gets printed |
| 21:03.39 | gravity | NaRaK: You can have a script on startup fill it. There's already one that does for me that's installed by default on Debian. |
| 21:03.53 | NaRaK | hmm |
| 21:04.05 | stoned | concept10, I just did it on a mounted disk |
| 21:04.12 | NaRaK | well yeah I want a script or somehting to fill it.. with info about IPs, cpuusage etc etc etc |
| 21:04.22 | stoned | concept10, I deleted a partition, recreated it, saved, it, and it says it won't take effect until I reboot, but it works |
| 21:04.24 | NaRaK | just some way to fill it ;= |
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| 21:04.49 | stoned | concept10, I did this while it was mounted |
| 21:04.57 | concept10 | stoned oh, you used the same commands as i posted? |
| 21:05.43 | stoned | concept10, I did cfdisk /dev/sda and then selected my parition, then deleted it, then made a new primary, set the file system type and saved it |
| 21:07.02 | stoned | concept10, I probably can't help you figure out exactly what the problem could be, since on my end it works |
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| 21:07.26 | stoned | concept10, I've never had to umount a disk in order to modify partition tables |
| 21:07.51 | stoned | in fact, i've never even had an error trying to partion stuff |
| 21:07.59 | nvz | and why would you the partition tables arent stored on the mounted volume |
| 21:08.02 | stoned | and also, I am not a linux guru, Im still a newb |
| 21:08.30 | stoned | nvz, yup |
| 21:08.40 | stoned | nvz, someonet old hom earlier he had to umount |
| 21:08.44 | stoned | _ds I believe |
| 21:08.49 | nvz | you just wouldnt be able to easily re-read the partitiontable with partitions mounted so the changes wouldnt really "take effect" |
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| 21:08.58 | stoned | exactly |
| 21:09.02 | nvz | even that isnt really true.. |
| 21:09.06 | stoned | rote partition table, but re-read table failed. Reboot to update table. |
| 21:09.11 | stoned | etc. |
| 21:09.16 | concept10 | okay, i found problem. i resized drive last night, rebooted and ran fsck and it was back to original size |
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| 21:09.28 | LinuxHelp | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 21:09.32 | LinuxHelp | ... |
| 21:09.37 | Kevin` | concept10 don't resize it while it's mounted |
| 21:09.44 | zirikili | my partition table is erased. is there anyway to build it from df information or something else? |
| 21:09.50 | nvz | did you resize the filesystem or just the partition? or the other way around only resize the filesystem and not the partition? |
| 21:09.54 | stoned | !info java-package sarge |
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| 21:09.57 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 21:09.59 | Kevin` | you probably should have just turned off the computer (power button), if anything concept10 |
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| 21:10.07 | stoned | !tell LinuxHelp -about contrib |
| 21:10.09 | concept10 | Kevin` is that it why it went back to original? |
| 21:10.24 | nvz | LinuxHelp: you need contrib sources |
| 21:10.38 | nvz | dpkg, tell LinuxHelp about contrib |
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| 21:10.48 | stoned | nvz, I just did that |
| 21:10.49 | stoned | :) |
| 21:10.50 | LinuxHelp | so instead of "stable" its "contrib" ? |
| 21:10.55 | concept10 | nvz, a partition |
| 21:11.02 | stoned | LinuxHelp, not append contrib after that |
| 21:11.08 | LinuxHelp | k |
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| 21:11.22 | stoned | LinuxHelp, deb http://blahblah/debian main contrib nonfree |
| 21:11.22 | stoned | non-free* |
| 21:11.24 | _ds | zirikili, gpart? |
| 21:11.53 | stoned | of course subsitute your distro after /debian |
| 21:11.55 | _ds | (apt-cache search partition | grep -e find -e guess) |
| 21:12.01 | undesktop | after I suspended & resumed using software suspend, I'm not able to connect to the internet anymore... anyone knows how to get around this? |
| 21:12.11 | nvz | concept10: its generally not a good idea to shrink a partition that contains a filesystem without first shrinking the filesystem. so in effect it didnt change back to its original size.. the filesystem never changed size at all |
| 21:12.28 | stoned | LinuxHelp, for example, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free (I use sid, you can replace sid with your distro release) |
| 21:12.42 | jelly-home | undesktop: are you wired or wireless? |
| 21:13.01 | stoned | why! |
| 21:13.02 | stoned | :( |
| 21:13.10 | undesktop | jelly-home: wired, using ppp over ethernet |
| 21:13.28 | dimir | Stoned? There is weed? Where?!?!?!? |
| 21:13.31 | jelly-home | undesktop: can you ping another computer on local lan? |
| 21:13.33 | nvz | stoned: cause I thought you were implying you could use non-debian sources |
| 21:13.40 | stoned | ohh |
| 21:13.47 | LinuxHelp | okay, ready to go.. |
| 21:13.48 | stoned | lol, I meant debian release, not distro release, sorry |
| 21:13.50 | stoned | whoops |
| 21:13.52 | stoned | typo! |
| 21:13.55 | undesktop | jelly-home: there's no local lan... maybe I could ping the DSL modem, but I don't know why |
| 21:13.59 | undesktop | s/why/how |
| 21:14.31 | nvz | dimir: drugs are bad, mmkay. |
| 21:14.57 | jelly-home | undesktop: dunno, I'd try first restarting the pppoe connection, then unloading and reloading the ethernet card module |
| 21:15.00 | concept10 | and so is parted, fdisk and cfdisk |
| 21:15.19 | plugwash | is there any way to get a list of installed packages sorted by size |
| 21:15.30 | stoned | nvz, hypocritw |
| 21:15.30 | undesktop | jelly-home: I tried this, no result (it told "pppd[4040]: sendPacket: send: Network is down") |
| 21:15.47 | zirikili | _ds: I don't think so. I think there is some way to use information in memory to build partition table again with cfdisk or fdisk |
| 21:15.50 | stoned | nvz, former toker, and you'd toke again if you could |
| 21:15.51 | stoned | :) |
| 21:15.54 | nvz | stoned: Follow this plan and very soon you will saaay, its easy mmmkay! |
| 21:15.59 | stoned | lol |
| 21:16.04 | stoned | man that was an awesome song |
| 21:16.04 | zirikili | _ds: I just don't know how |
| 21:16.07 | nvz | stoned: its not if I could, its if I wanted to |
| 21:16.08 | _ds | zirikili, probably; never had need to find out... |
| 21:16.12 | stoned | nvz, you're a bunshole too |
| 21:16.13 | stoned | :D |
| 21:16.16 | jelly-home | undesktop: reloading the driver for eth0 didn't help either? |
| 21:16.33 | nvz | I could do it, I just choose not to. |
| 21:16.44 | stoned | nvz, yeah, that is respectable |
| 21:16.48 | stoned | :) |
| 21:16.48 | undesktop | jelly-home: if "the driver for eth0" is the driver for my NIC, then no |
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| 21:17.53 | nvz | honestly I have over the years realized what addiction is and what it does to people and their lives and relationships. I've also got over the denial that just being a pothead isnt an addiction and doesnt harm anyone. |
| 21:17.58 | undesktop | jelly-home: oh wait, there's another strange thing: after resuming, the kernel told sth. about disabling IRQ 11, and my NIC seems to be on IRQ 11... |
| 21:18.15 | eastwood | hey stoned :) |
| 21:18.17 | eastwood | how's your GF and my Kids? |
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| 21:18.36 | jelly-home | undesktop: that's bad, no hardware that's been using irq 11 won't be able to work correctly now. |
| 21:18.58 | stoned | nvz, well yeah, no physical dependencies, only psychological, and its not even that strong. I quit all sorts of indulgences during the month of ramadan, no sex, porn, cigs, weed, drinks every year for 1 month. I never have any craving to smoke |
| 21:19.03 | undesktop | jelly-home: hrm, looks like, allthough I hoped reloading the driver would maybe fix this |
| 21:19.22 | nvz | I sit back and watch my life and the people around me and realize that the only ambitions they have in thier lives is that next hit. they do things they dont like, tolerate people they dont like, and avoid doing more productive things just to get high. |
| 21:19.27 | jelly-home | undesktop: this isn't from the driver, but from kernel itself. |
| 21:19.42 | stoned | eastwood, i am doing great thanks. Yes my GF was babysitting your kids and then we ate em |
| 21:19.47 | jelly-home | undesktop: if you have other devices using irq 11 they're gone too. |
| 21:20.17 | stoned | eastwood, didn't think I could turn that one around did ya! :) |
| 21:20.24 | undesktop | jelly-home: so how do I fix this? obviously it's swsusp's fault (since it works with suspend2) |
| 21:20.37 | eastwood | at least not like that :X |
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| 21:21.03 | Aubustou | i have a problem with my server |
| 21:21.05 | jelly-home | undesktop: hm. MAYBE forcibly unloading the relevant drivers before suspend would help. |
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| 21:21.19 | Aubustou | it seems it doesn't want to work at all now :-/ |
| 21:21.40 | undesktop | jelly-home: not good, since the USB driver is also there |
| 21:21.41 | eastwood | Aubustou, do you pay him? |
| 21:21.48 | Aubustou | nope |
| 21:21.57 | Aubustou | i hope it's not a strike :-p |
| 21:22.05 | eastwood | maybe a stroke |
| 21:22.12 | stoned | eastwood, that was a good one though, my gf and your kids hahaha |
| 21:22.18 | stoned | i'll have to use that one on somebody |
| 21:22.20 | stoned | lol |
| 21:22.27 | eastwood | :P |
| 21:22.38 | nvz | the only reason I even done it this long is I care about a lot of these people and I know I cant force them to change, but getting some smoke is the only way I can get them to listen to what I have to say about it and I can talk about it as someone who knows and not just has some radical hypocrite |
| 21:22.41 | Aubustou | it used to work before(yesterday) |
| 21:22.56 | Aubustou | not quite well, but we can reach it |
| 21:23.02 | Aubustou | now, it doesn't work at all |
| 21:23.08 | jelly-home | undesktop: why not, you're going into suspend anyway. |
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| 21:23.34 | stoned | nvz, psychological addiction is the fault of the substance, but a fault within the WILL of the person indulgingn the said substance |
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| 21:23.55 | stoned | nvz, where physical dependencies are concerned, then addiction is a legitimate argument |
| 21:23.57 | jelly-home | undesktop: but the only thing to do now is reboot |
| 21:23.58 | LinuxHelp | great, it are working! |
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| 21:24.23 | stoned | nvz, I meant psychological addiction is NOT the fualt of the substance |
| 21:24.35 | undesktop | jelly-home: unloading these modules would be worth a try |
| 21:24.39 | nvz | stoned: weed wasnt meant to be a social drug. most of the mental addiction comes from the support of the people around you when using it as such |
| 21:24.43 | undesktop | jelly-home: I' |
| 21:24.46 | stoned | nvz, its the persons fault, always. Drugs are not to blame, only people are. Drugs are not bad if used as directed within moderation |
| 21:24.47 | undesktop | ll see next time if it works |
| 21:25.18 | undesktop | nvz: it's not the persons fault, it's his body's fault! |
| 21:25.39 | undesktop | nvz: even more, it's not the body's fault, it's the fault of the cells the body is built of |
| 21:25.44 | stoned | nvz, its because of 80 pound annorexic bitches in colleges who sniff 1 shot of jaggermiester and then go and fuck half the godamn football team, and the rest of us have to pay for it with a fucking .8 DUI law |
| 21:25.44 | jelly-home | nvz: what about coffee, is that a social drug? |
| 21:25.46 | stoned | thats bullshit |
| 21:26.00 | ram__ | Hi everybody. I am using Debian (testing). I recently upgraded to xorg. Everything seems to work fine. But, some applications (ex: audacity) do not have any text in their menu items. I am clueless on what might be wrong. I tried searching google with 'audacity mssing text in menu' etc and unable to find relevant info. Could someone give me a hint of what is going on? |
| 21:26.03 | stoned | some twerp can't handle his shit, and all the rest of us have to end up paying for it |
| 21:26.08 | nvz | stoned: heh |
| 21:26.13 | _ds | ... caffeine ... caffeine ... |
| 21:26.31 | concept10 | i love every bad thing you guys have talked about in the last five minutes, including the 80 pounders |
| 21:26.44 | concept10 | oh.. except the tweed |
| 21:26.50 | jelly-home | concept10: even the football team? :-> |
| 21:26.58 | concept10 | heh! |
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| 21:27.19 | nvz | jelly-home: I've never done coffee, and its smell and what it leaves on your teeth and breath are more than unnattractive enough to keep me away from it. so I cant really comment |
| 21:27.31 | stoned | nvz, I'd rather drive behind a 20 year old drunken REDNECK, than behind an 80 year old grandma |
| 21:27.37 | nvz | much the same reasons I dont like smoking.. |
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| 21:29.05 | nvz | stoned: yeah but grandma probably has a liscence and graduated from high school.. which means she probably has insurance too so if she causes you an accident you have someone to file your claim with |
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| 21:29.28 | Orfeous | back again |
| 21:29.30 | stoned | nvz, how about this. If im drunk and pulled over, they have me touch my nose, lift a leg and walk the line or whatver sobriety test they do, and I failt it right. ok so.. lets have that 80 year old grandma, who is sober as a dog, and havae her take the same sobreity test, and then I should be let go scott free when she falls and breaks her pelvis |
| 21:29.32 | nvz | billy jo bob danny frank is probably just gonna shoot you and try hide your body |
| 21:29.38 | stoned | have her lift a goddamn leg, touch her nose and walk a line |
| 21:29.39 | Orfeous | stoned, i have booted into my system now from a rescue floppy. |
| 21:29.50 | _ds | stoned: breath test, surely... |
| 21:30.10 | stoned | _ds, my point is, old people are more dangerous than drunk drivers |
| 21:30.11 | Orfeous | i think i can get a nic driver and compile it or use a precompiled module for the recuse floppy kernel version? |
| 21:31.03 | nvz | yeah well they are saying the same thing about people with cell phones perminantly glued to their ears |
| 21:31.14 | stoned | nvz, fuck em |
| 21:31.24 | nvz | Orfeous: are you using some wifi card thats not nativly supported? |
| 21:31.39 | stoned | I hate bitches in front of my on the road driving 15miles under the speed limit cuz they have to chit chat on the phone |
| 21:31.44 | concept10 | oh well, i guess you cant unmount / |
| 21:31.57 | stoned | I say blow em up with a tactical nucleur device |
| 21:32.31 | concept10 | stoned youre speaking like bush |
| 21:32.36 | nvz | _ds: good dont ever get one.. I _HATE_ telephones of any kind. I always prefered personal interaction dealing with people 1 on 1.. then I got a cell phone now I feel like I couldnt live without it.. there's just something about it.. you wont ever be able to let go.. and its more than just the legal binding contract too |
| 21:32.51 | stoned | concept10, I want stupidity eradicated, but it won't because humans are inherently stupid |
| 21:32.56 | ktwilight | shows ya weak nvz :P |
| 21:33.10 | _ds | nvz: I plan to continue avoiding any need to own one :-) |
| 21:33.14 | ktwilight | if ya pick it up, ya can put it down. |
| 21:33.32 | concept10 | i meant nukle aarr |
| 21:33.55 | stoned | some people are predisposed to addiction, and some people get addicted to things easier than others |
| 21:33.57 | _ds | Aarr, Jim lad...! |
| 21:34.00 | stoned | cell phone addiction |
| 21:34.02 | stoned | ewww |
| 21:34.03 | nvz | ktwilight: yeah well right now I live alone with no house phone or internet 90miles or more away from most of my friends and family.. so that cell phone is my connection to the world, the internet on the phone is all I got.. its my map, my phone book, my dictionary, my encyclopedia..etc |
| 21:34.11 | concept10 | speaking of phones, i hate this girl text messaging me all of the time |
| 21:34.23 | concept10 | i hate that noise |
| 21:34.24 | undesktop | stoned: what about these cell-phone sounds? |
| 21:34.28 | ram__ | Sorry to bother again guys, does someone know a channel to ask xorg questions? Some of my apps like xmms and audacity come up with no text in menu and diaglog box. I do not know where to ask. |
| 21:34.30 | stoned | I think we have been more than enough offtopic |
| 21:34.30 | ktwilight | sounds like ya got a serious situation there nvz |
| 21:34.32 | Vasistha | Gathond: got it! thanks! |
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| 21:34.41 | ktwilight | nvz, ya can always go through the writing-letters era :) |
| 21:34.43 | stoned | enough chit chat, people actually required debian support here |
| 21:34.52 | undesktop | ram__: audacity and XMMS are both GTK 1 apps, I think |
| 21:35.05 | undesktop | (audacity only when using an old version of wxWidgets) |
| 21:35.09 | nvz | concept10: gotta change the tone then.. really its not the tone anyhow.. its what your mind has associated that sound to... |
| 21:35.21 | ktwilight | totally |
| 21:35.33 | _ds | xmms - gtk1.2... |
| 21:35.33 | concept10 | nvz, youre right |
| 21:35.39 | ktwilight | it's like how a person gets associated with a distro :) |
| 21:35.47 | Thanatermesis | stew, building a driver now, it give me a error because i have used the "--append-version" in the build of the kernel... The changelog says we are creating 2.6.15-thana-386, but I thought the version is 2.6.15 make: *** [modules-image] Error 1 |
| 21:35.48 | ram__ | undesktop: Yes, My gnome desktop seems to works fine. I can start most of my apps fine except few. |
| 21:35.50 | nvz | ktwilight: yeah well calling off work, getting calls back from job applications.. that kind of stuff wouldnt work too well via USPS |
| 21:35.51 | stoned | good, now we're coming back towards linux |
| 21:35.57 | blondie | lunix |
| 21:36.05 | Orfeous | nvz, no.. my nic's are supported |
| 21:36.06 | ktwilight | haha treu that nvz |
| 21:36.17 | undesktop | ram__: surely it's a font problem or so, but I think I can't help you... maybe try on a GTK channel or so |
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| 21:36.33 | stoned | ram_, #audacity #xorg |
| 21:36.44 | ram__ | undesktop: thanks. |
| 21:36.45 | concept10 | ram__ can you succesfully use the app (audacity) |
| 21:36.58 | nvz | concept10: I know.. I like my ringer.. but when I knew it was my cousin calling me for work every morning to try and kill me with his stupidity and total lack of respect for safty.. I started hating to hear that sound..at least around 6am anyhow |
| 21:37.24 | ram__ | concept10: yes. those work fine. Except, their menus do not have any text. |
| 21:37.33 | ram__ | stoned: Thank you. |
| 21:37.38 | concept10 | ram__ i remember my audacity install having no text in the about box, just a buch of squares |
| 21:37.48 | nvz | Orfeous: then whats your issue I missed it and you seem to be discussing an issue most of the people dont know and therefor cant really help you with |
| 21:37.58 | concept10 | s/buch/bunch |
| 21:38.06 | ram__ | concept10: Exactly my problem. Dialog boxes do not have anything but bunch of boxy stuff. |
| 21:38.08 | stoned | ram_, maybe you have a font problem with old gtk apps, you HAVE installed x-window-system-core yes? |
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| 21:38.21 | ram__ | stoned: checking. |
| 21:38.56 | ram__ | stoned: x-window-system-core is already the newest version. |
| 21:39.07 | stoned | looks like its not a case of missing fonts |
| 21:39.09 | concept10 | ram__ if that doesnt work run this command: apt-get remove audacity xmms && apt-get install beep-media-player |
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| 21:39.32 | ram__ | concept10: thanks. Will try that. |
| 21:39.33 | undesktop | concept10: and where's the replacement for audacity? |
| 21:39.42 | concept10 | i dont know |
| 21:39.42 | fasta | Is it possible to tell Debian that I don't need a specific package while installing another? |
| 21:39.50 | concept10 | ram__ dont run that |
| 21:39.55 | nvz | fasta: yes, using equivs |
| 21:39.56 | fasta | Thus that I don't get all the dependencies? |
| 21:40.03 | nvz | dpkg, tell fasta about equivs |
| 21:40.17 | ram__ | concept10: I did not remove the apps as I need audacity for sound editing. I only installed beep-media-player. |
| 21:40.33 | concept10 | i dont know a replacement for audacity, there has to be one. that is the worst audio app ever |
| 21:40.36 | ktwilight | equivs is interesting nvz. thanks :) |
| 21:40.37 | stoned | ram_, other gtk apps work fine? |
| 21:40.46 | undesktop | btw. does the beep player allready know about queuing songs? |
| 21:40.48 | stoned | ram_, install gtkfontsel and see if you can see anything in there |
| 21:40.57 | nvz | fasta: however in doing do you have to make sure that whatever you have installed by other means actually satisfys the package or else it may fail to work properly or at all |
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| 21:41.00 | ram__ | stoned: yes, I believe gaim is GTK (not sure) that works fine. |
| 21:41.06 | stoned | gaim is gtk2 |
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| 21:41.11 | stoned | ram_, I am talking about gtk1 |
| 21:41.31 | nvz | ram__: apt-cache show gaim, look at the dependencies.. its GTK-2.0 |
| 21:41.32 | stoned | ram_, apt-get install gtkfontsel and see if that shows a list of fonts or is that interface on that app also textless |
| 21:41.37 | fasta | nvz: I am pretty sure that in this state it should work. :) |
| 21:41.57 | ram__ | stoned: oh.... I did not know the difference b/w gtk1 and 2. nvz, thanks. |
| 21:42.07 | ram__ | trying gtkfontsel |
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| 21:42.35 | stoned | ram_, its not a problem fixer, but only to test weather gtk1 apps cause a system wide problem or if it is just audacity |
| 21:42.38 | ram__ | gtkfontsel is empty dialog box. Nothing listed. |
| 21:42.56 | stoned | thought so |
| 21:43.03 | nvz | ram__: there isnt a real large difference, other than its a newer version of the Gimp Tool Kit library and it seems the relevance to your situation is it uses completly different config files for things like font sizes. |
| 21:43.38 | ram__ | It may be a systemwide looking at gtkfontsel (it comes up but nothing in it. No text in the fields as well as on their labels. |
| 21:43.39 | stoned | ram_, try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and enable bitmap fonts by default |
| 21:43.50 | stoned | ram_, I am not entirely sure on this, but that _might_ work |
| 21:44.03 | Thanatermesis | i have made a kernel with make-kpkg... using --append-version=-thana-386... but i have a problem building a driver now: "The changelog says we are creating 2.6.15elive-386, but I thought the version is 2.6.15" |
| 21:44.25 | Thanatermesis | s/elive/thana |
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| 21:44.50 | stoned | Shadowcat, tillbaka |
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| 21:44.58 | stoned | Shadowcat, har det met dig? |
| 21:44.59 | stoned | :D |
| 21:45.09 | krassy | I have problems with network interfaces , when system starts i see this messeges: "configuring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:18: dublicate option" followed by "ifup: couldn`t read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces failed" what is the problem ? |
| 21:45.12 | ram__ | stoned: I did reconfigure thing you suggested and enabled bitmap fonts. Should I restart X to see the results? |
| 21:45.13 | Shadowcat | shaddap |
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| 21:45.20 | stoned | ram_, yes |
| 21:45.25 | Shadowcat | anybody know of good ext3 recovery apps? |
| 21:45.26 | ram__ | nvz thanks for info on GTk |
| 21:45.36 | concept10 | ram__ http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/AUDIO_EDITORS/ |
| 21:45.38 | nvz | ram__: it apperently occured to someone a while back that in order to create graphical interfaces one would need a grapics editor and in order to create a graphics editor one would need a graphical interface. so in creating the GNU Image Manipulation Program they designed a series of graphical widgets and and control language for them and called it GTK or the Gimp ToolKit when Gimp 2.0 was... |
| 21:45.40 | nvz | ...being developed with a shiny new interface a new version of the GTK libraries was born |
| 21:45.56 | concept10 | ram__ this looks decent: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/soniK/ |
| 21:46.15 | stoned | Shadowcat, you asshole |
| 21:46.17 | stoned | :( |
| 21:46.25 | stoned | I wasn trying to be nice :( |
| 21:46.40 | Shadowcat | stoned: I'm trying to recover 200gb of lost ext3 data |
| 21:46.42 | whatah | Qball: don't take jat seriously. |
| 21:46.48 | stoned | Shadowcat, oh shit |
| 21:46.56 | Qball | fuck him |
| 21:46.58 | whatah | Qball: i bet you didn't know i was in this channel. |
| 21:46.59 | stoned | Shadowcat, damn man, howd that happen |
| 21:46.59 | fony_vaio | does debian have a working amd64 branch, if so is it stable? |
| 21:47.17 | Qball | I am feeling very itchy of just banning him |
| 21:47.25 | Shadowcat | stoned: never mind how it happened, I need some good data recovery apps |
| 21:47.27 | ram__ | concept10: thanks for the link to soniK. That does look interesting. I will try that tonight. |
| 21:47.31 | whatah | Qball: well, i'd say that he was being annoying, but just ignore it for now and go to bed. |
| 21:47.47 | whatah | Qball: when you wake up, you'll be more relaxed and i'll have yelled at jat enough by then |
| 21:47.54 | Qball | hmmmm he is not annoying. |
| 21:47.58 | undesktop | Shadowcat: we want to know how this happened to be sure it doesn't happen to us |
| 21:48.04 | Qball | he is just a complete ass |
| 21:48.12 | Shadowcat | undesktop: it isn't a filesystem error |
| 21:48.21 | Shadowcat | jeez |
| 21:48.38 | stoned | Shadowcat, google for ext data recovery tools |
| 21:48.39 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:48.44 | whatah | Qball: banning is a bad idea. |
| 21:48.45 | Shadowcat | already did |
| 21:48.46 | stoned | ext3* |
| 21:48.48 | Shadowcat | most of them cost cash |
| 21:48.51 | stoned | heh |
| 21:49.12 | concept10 | ram__ that looks to be the only decent alternative to audacity... the only reason i keep a windows box around is for audio |
| 21:49.19 | undesktop | Shadowcat: and fsck couldn't do anything? |
| 21:49.21 | stoned | Shadowcat, what about mondo |
| 21:49.38 | nvz | ram__: another important thing to understand is that the Gimp ToolKit is not by any means the only toolkit out there or the only one used in debian. Many applications' GUI were designed using other toolkits like QT (KDE's Toolkit), Tk (came before GTK and is uglier in my opinion) among others and each one has its own configuration, font settings, skins..etc just like gtk1.x and gtk2.x |
| 21:49.41 | concept10 | ram__ once you use something such as wavelab, it seems like audacity is a crime |
| 21:49.54 | stoned | nm, thats a backup tool |
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| 21:50.13 | ram__ | concept10: I have been looking around a lot and had not found a good alternative. Is wavelab commercial? |
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| 21:50.24 | Thanatermesis | i have made a kernel with make-kpkg... using --append-version=-thana-386... but i have a problem building a driver now: "The changelog says we are creating 2.6.15-thana-386, but I thought the version is 2.6.15" |
| 21:50.40 | stoned | Shadowcat, what about apt-cache show testdisk |
| 21:50.50 | \amethyst | Shadowcat: how much got lost? |
| 21:50.51 | stoned | maybe that is of use to you |
| 21:50.52 | Shadowcat | not much to do when the superblock is gone |
| 21:50.57 | concept10 | ram__ yes, and expensive, but there are nice many free nice audio editors in windows |
| 21:50.57 | stoned | ouch |
| 21:51.02 | \amethyst | Shadowcat: just the superblock? |
| 21:51.07 | Shadowcat | just the superblock |
| 21:51.10 | \amethyst | Shadowcat: there are backup superblocks |
| 21:51.11 | undesktop | Shadowcat: the superblock is backed up with each block group |
| 21:51.21 | undesktop | Shadowcat: that means quite a lot superblock backups |
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| 21:51.30 | Shadowcat | undesktop: yes I've found over 40 superblocks already |
| 21:51.37 | Qball | whatah: him acting like this just gonna piss people off and make them stop coming/helping... Now shank finally stopped scaring people away, jat is gonna start |
| 21:51.38 | Shadowcat | I'm hoping they'll contain what I want |
| 21:51.53 | Shadowcat | 42 in fact |
| 21:51.57 | \amethyst | Shadowcat: fsck -b block |
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| 21:53.02 | nvz | damn nero.. wants me to put a blank dvd in the drive and it hasnt even checksum'd the ISO.. as IF |
| 21:53.05 | \amethyst | _ds: it was just a minute ago, but then you replaced the universe with something more complicated. Congrats. |
| 21:53.06 | whatah | Qball: i am talking to him about it, have a good night. |
| 21:53.16 | stoned | _ds, but the ultimate answer is 42. Just the number of superblocks Shadowcat also found :) |
| 21:53.31 | Shadowcat | I'm scanning with a windows freeware app named R-Linux (don't even start) |
| 21:53.31 | undesktop | stoned: no, it's my house number |
| 21:53.38 | Shadowcat | since I was gonna convert the bloody thing to ntfs |
| 21:53.41 | Qball | whatah: well my patient with him is running dangerously low |
| 21:53.42 | nvz | so this brings me to my next question how can I checksum these sarge dvd isos ( on windows ): before I burn some coasters |
| 21:53.49 | Qball | (or how to spell it) |
| 21:53.51 | Shadowcat | but this STUPID firewire enclosure refuses to work properly |
| 21:54.02 | stoned | patience* |
| 21:54.04 | concept10 | ram__ http://steinberg.net/128+M52087573ab0.html |
| 21:54.08 | Qball | stoned: thx |
| 21:54.11 | Shadowcat | if that doesn't work, I'll boot into knoppix (don't have linux installed on this box) |
| 21:54.12 | stoned | np :) |
| 21:54.15 | mdemonic | Good afternoon. How do I apply the kernel patches? 'Make install clean'? Before or after building kernel? Where in the patch directory tree? |
| 21:54.16 | Shadowcat | and try the fsck |
| 21:55.08 | Qball | whatah: I am off to bed |
| 21:55.29 | nvz | I guess thats a question for google |
| 21:55.31 | whatah | Qball: i understand, sleep tight. |
| 21:56.00 | ram__ | concept10, nvz, stoned thanks a lot for your time. concept10, sonik requred x development files to compile. I am installing (which is also downloading a huge number of dependents. Will definitely try that. |
| 21:56.27 | concept10 | ram__ np |
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| 21:58.56 | ram__ | You guys have been helpful. concept10: I am also an opensource develper have two projects 'varsha' and 'jcdwriter' although recently I have not been able to spend much time on them. http://varsha.sourceforge.net/ http://jcdwriter.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:01.12 | ram__ | I stopped working on jcdwriter when I saw k3b. Varsha has hit limitations of java language where doing anthing like realtime video is a pain. |
| 22:01.57 | concept10 | java :( |
| 22:02.02 | concept10 | but good work |
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| 22:02.21 | concept10 | you should make a gtk audio editor |
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| 22:02.57 | rhys | anyone here played with looking glass? |
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| 22:03.23 | ram__ | concept10: I know not a very good choice. Did that only because it was taking too long to learn kdevelop to do C++. I plan to start a new one in C++. audio editor is a good suggestion. I will think about it. |
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| 22:05.14 | ram__ | bye all. thanks again for the kind help |
| 22:05.17 | concept10 | ram__ you might be interested in this http://www.diva-project.org/ |
| 22:06.14 | ram__ | concept10: very nice. I had not heard of this application at all. |
| 22:06.44 | concept10 | look at the videos of it in action |
| 22:06.57 | concept10 | that is the best multimedia app i have seen on linux |
| 22:07.28 | nvz | I found a program call fastsum do checksum my sarge dvd isos on windows.. Processed debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso 4.36Gb in 00:03:05 with average speed of 24.62 Mb\Sec "D6EEEF5A49FF851839BC514CC56F305A" thats on WinXP SP2 Amd Athlon 64 3200+ (2.19GHz) w/ 496MB Physical Memory 567MB Virtual Memory. Seagate? ST3100011A, and some ATI IDE controller.. I wonder how fastsum compares to normal... |
| 22:07.30 | nvz | ...md5sum on debian on similar hardware.. seemed fast to me, but I never did a DVD sum or checksummed on a machine this fast :P |
| 22:07.49 | concept10 | ram__ but yeah, check it out, talk with you later |
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| 22:08.18 | ram__ | concept10: Yes, screenshots look nice. I will definitely check it out. I currently use kino for video editing. Not very user friendly but works with some pain. |
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| 22:09.30 | ram__ | concept10: http://www.kinodv.org/article/static/4 (You can download from your DV camera, edit, export to mpeg2 or divx and a bunch of other useful formats). |
| 22:09.42 | concept10 | ram__ it has stuff in it that I only see in expensive windows apps |
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| 22:10.07 | ram__ | concept10: I agree. I will definitely check it out. thanks |
| 22:11.12 | Thanatermesis | where i can found information of how to build a kernel in the "real debian way" ? |
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| 22:11.38 | nvz | takes me longer than 3 minutes to checksum a few hundred mb on my AthlonXP 1700+ w/ 512MB ram on debian.. but its not really comparable to this 64 bit 3200+ |
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| 22:16.31 | nvz | Thanatermesis: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package && man make-kpkg |
| 22:17.35 | nvz | Thanatermesis: you can also either apt-get install a kernel-source package or download a tarball from kernel.org you may need to install bzip2 if you prefer the bzipped tarballs to the gzipped as bzip2 isnt usually part of a basic debian install |
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| 22:21.07 | nvz | Thanatermesis: usually a typical invocation of make-kpkg (as user _NOT_ root) would be something like "make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig --revision mykernel buildpackage" which will run make clean target, then run make menuconfig, then builds the souce and will result in a kernel-image-2.x.x-mykernel.deb, kernel-headers-2.x.x-mykernel.deb, kernel-source-2.x.x-mykernel.deb,... |
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| 22:21.07 | nvz | ...kernel-doc-2.x.x-mykernel.deb |
| 22:22.28 | nvz | Thanatermesis: thats generally how I do it anyhow. I rarely need the source, headers, and docs debs but its good to have in case you ever do need them to build external modules or something. and then I can remove my source dir and the tarball and save the kernel-source deb in case I have to rebuild |
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| 22:23.12 | Thanatermesis | well nvz, this is how i made it actually, but i have a strange problem... |
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| 22:23.24 | Thanatermesis | normally it create a dir on /lib/modules/2.6.15 (suposed to are a 2.6.15) |
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| 22:24.03 | Thanatermesis | but i have wanted a thing similar to /lib/modules/2.6.15-thana-386/ (similar to the dir names on the debian kernel packages... for compatibility with another kernels etc..) |
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| 22:24.17 | hoody | hi all |
| 22:24.29 | nvz | Thanatermesis: thats what the --revision is for |
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| 22:24.48 | nvz | Thanatermesis: defaults to 10.0.custom or something like that |
| 22:25.02 | Thanatermesis | then i have used the option --append_to_version=-thana-386... all perfect for now... the dir is created with this name and all.. but i need to add the "--append_to_version=thing" everytime to i make any make-kpkg stuff, for example building drivers (make-kpkg modules-image)... |
| 22:25.36 | hoody | is the ralink rt2500 chipset driver included in the current stable release? |
| 22:26.03 | Thanatermesis | the problem not is really for me.. but for the users of this kernel... a normal user if want to build a driver, it needs to type "make-kpkg modules-image"... but if needs this option more (make-kpkg --append_to_version=-thana-386) not is very user-friendly of all |
| 22:26.08 | ktwilight | it's not even in etch hoody |
| 22:26.14 | nvz | Thanatermesis: I've never used --append_to_version but I think thats just for the actual version that shows up in dmesg or uname.. which in 2.6 is now a config option.. so its probably been ignored |
| 22:26.21 | ktwilight | wait, i may be wrong on that... |
| 22:26.41 | nvz | Thanatermesis: --revision I believe is what you are looking for |
| 22:26.55 | Thanatermesis | no... i have used the --revision... but this is only for the version of the package |
| 22:27.00 | ktwilight | hoody, rt2500-source is in etch, not sarge. |
| 22:27.11 | Thanatermesis | the dir /lib/modules/2.6.15 is only this.. without the revision name |
| 22:27.33 | nvz | I think you are confused.. --append_to_version is for the version. it says it right there in the option |
| 22:27.56 | nvz | and I know for a fact what --revision does because I used it to create my kernels just last week |
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| 22:28.17 | nvz | though I am not on my pc, or even on a debian pc to see about the /lib/modules/ thing.. |
| 22:28.30 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 22:28.34 | nvz | but I would assume since the --revision changed my package name, it also changed that as well |
| 22:28.50 | Thanatermesis | --append_to_version don't looks to make exactly what i want... i don't know then the way... |
| 22:29.01 | hoody | i'm using suse linux at the moment ... already compiled the cvs for it... is there any differnce to debian? |
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| 22:29.18 | Thanatermesis | or... well, let me try to use the headers of it and no the original sources of kernel... |
| 22:29.27 | nvz | I also know for a fact the version number is what appears when the kernel boots in dmesg and on uname -r and its set in the kernel config on 2.6.15 because I just compiled it last week |
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| 22:31.45 | nvz | I also know for a fact that 2.6.17.3 is the current stable kernel so if you are compiling right now, you might want to get the latest source.. though I had no problems with 2.6.15 on my system |
| 22:32.08 | nvz | main reason I compiled 2.6.15 is because I was having issues I suspected might be related to the debian 2.6.8 image I was using |
| 22:32.15 | Thanatermesis | uname -r shows me "2.6.15-thana-386", this is the value to i have set on --append_to_version, but nothing of the value set on --revision |
| 22:32.52 | nvz | as I said, the version and the revision are different. :) |
| 22:33.12 | Thanatermesis | maybe i can build a more recent kernel... but i want to have the same versions to debian ETCH, for compatibility (udev, cdrecord, initramfs stuffs, etc...) |
| 22:33.48 | Thanatermesis | the actual version on etch is 2.6.15 aparently.. i don't know if etch want's a kernel update before to the STABLE release or not... |
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| 22:35.27 | nvz | I highly doubt you would experience any such compatibility issues with a newer version |
| 22:36.09 | nvz | kernels are usually kept backward compatible.. there are so many lines of legacy backward compatible code in the kernel tree today its rediculous |
| 22:36.39 | Thanatermesis | http://pastebin.ca/76636 |
| 22:36.42 | Thanatermesis | this is a example |
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| 22:37.31 | Thanatermesis | let me try to find on the rules files of debian... |
| 22:38.00 | nvz | and the uname -r agrees with the header of the dmesg.log? |
| 22:38.25 | Thanatermesis | asdf@elive[~]$ dmesg | grep 2.6.15 |
| 22:38.25 | Thanatermesis | Linux version 2.6.15elive-386 (Version: elive.02) (root@tanateo) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)) #1 Sat Jul 1 19:15:46 CEST 2006 |
| 22:38.38 | Thanatermesis | uname -r = 2.6.15elive-386 |
| 22:38.43 | nvz | I am not familiar with that append_to_version as I said but I do know there is an option in the 2.6.15 related to the kernel's version |
| 22:39.47 | Thanatermesis | mmh... where look this "2.6.15" version ? |
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| 22:42.13 | nvz | I dont know where its even getting that "2.6.15" from maybe strace make modules-image would reveal that secret |
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| 22:46.08 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, let me try |
| 22:48.02 | tuv | what is basically the difference between /proc and /sys? |
| 22:49.41 | nvz | tuv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysfs |
| 22:50.03 | nvz | tuv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procfs |
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| 22:53.28 | Shadowcat | YES |
| 22:53.32 | Shadowcat | finally |
| 22:53.38 | nvz | another good source of info might be the kernel documentation |
| 22:53.49 | nvz | R-Linux? |
| 22:54.03 | zebalin4 | Any issues with the new OpenOffice 2.0.3.1 ? |
| 22:54.16 | undesktop | Shadowcat: looks like you had success :-) |
| 22:54.22 | Shadowcat | nvz: I hosed a 200gb ext3 partition |
| 22:54.26 | Shadowcat | and I got the files I wanted off it |
| 22:55.49 | nvz | zebalin4: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=openoffice.org-bin;dist=unstable |
| 22:55.59 | nvz | the BTS is where issues with new packages are kept |
| 22:57.04 | nvz | I guess that means r-linux is a data recovery software |
| 22:57.32 | zebalin4 | nvz: ok.thanks. But wow, it's a lot of reading. I just wanted to see if there were any showstopers before I upgrade from 2.0.2-1. Changelog said "Urgency=high" |
| 22:57.42 | Shadowcat | pretty much the only freeware stuff I found that runs on Windows |
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| 22:57.50 | Shadowcat | and since the data was being transferred to ntfs anyway |
| 22:57.54 | Shadowcat | I thought why the hell not |
| 22:58.15 | alekzandr_ | Hi, i have a server that is colocated at an isp, running sarge, and in the last two weeks it has crashed twice, included a few minutes ago, and i am trying to figure out why it is happening |
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| 22:58.21 | alekzandr_ | both times there was a kernel panic, and and interrupt error |
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| 22:59.23 | nvz | zebalin4: then install apt-listbugs and/or apt-listchanges, ffs |
| 23:00.03 | beardy | alekzandr_: Tell the people there to check the hardware. WHat kernel, compiled it yourself? |
| 23:00.26 | zebalin4 | nvz: Not sure about listchanges, but listbugs has a lot of false info in it. If you believe it you'd never upgrade anything! I was just looking to see if anyone here had a problem with new OO. |
| 23:00.31 | alekzandr_ | beardy: stock sarge kernel, stock everything |
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| 23:00.48 | beardy | alekzandr_: WHich interrupt failed? |
| 23:01.37 | nvz | zebalin4: well you have to actually _read_ the bug reports if they sound bad from the description and determine if they even apply to your arch and package version..etc |
| 23:02.01 | Shadowcat | undesktop: there was about 40gb of encoded tv episodes on that drive |
| 23:02.12 | Shadowcat | undesktop: and I really didn't want to re-encode everything again |
| 23:02.34 | Shadowcat | err were |
| 23:03.01 | x-ip | hi, i `m upgrading some packages connected by ssh, the configuration tell me that it will upgrade libc6 and ssh will be restarted. What can i do ? if i say "No", upgrading will stop, and if i say "yes", ssh will be restarted and my connection will be lost and then how could i continue with the upgrading ? :( |
| 23:03.14 | nvz | zebalin4: basically you just have to realize that the information you desire has a certain degree of work attached to it. if someone knows about issues with a program they've already done the hard part, and probably reported it to the BTS so the least you can do is check it and read the reports apt-listbugs is just an aide to help you with sifting through the bts upon request of a package from apt |
| 23:03.47 | undesktop | Shadowcat: uh, no important data? |
| 23:03.48 | zebalin4 | nvz: yes, I agree. But in my experience with OO if there is a problem it comes out early and all folks who upgrade each day know. |
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| 23:04.23 | zebalin4 | nvz: I wasn't look for a definitive answer, just to see if there was anyone out there who might say "Wow, it hosed my system!" |
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| 23:05.08 | nvz | zebalin4: yeah well this is a debian support channel, I gave you the best information debian has to offer, how we discover problems here and all the tools we have to find out about them.. maybe you should direct your concern and the people you mentioned.. the people who test OO.o the developers and other interested people, in their support channel(s) or on their website. |
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| 23:06.08 | coward | what does it mean when a site lacks a /robots.txt file? |
| 23:06.08 | zebalin4 | nvz: maybe I'm mistaken but one of the purposes a support channel .... is to give support. So if someone asks "Any problem with OO, " perhaps the answer is NOT RTFM but |
| 23:06.10 | coward | I'm not allowed to access anything |
| 23:06.12 | coward | or I'm allowed to access everything? |
| 23:06.14 | coward | btw: OT |
| 23:06.16 | zebalin4 | "yeah, I had a problem" |
| 23:06.37 | nvz | zebalin4: you didnt address a specific problem other than the inability to use the tools provided to you in the debian system |
| 23:06.40 | zebalin4 | nvz: you and I just have a different outlook on what a support can and can't do, should and shouldn't do. Not a big deal. |
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| 23:07.21 | zebalin4 | nvz: I don't care about using tools. Not imporant to me. I just want to know if anyone had a problem with OO. If no one says anything, that's fine too. |
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| 23:08.16 | nvz | nope nobody mentioned anything. I thought it would be better to give you a more definitave answer, or perhaps any answer at all since you bothered to ask |
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| 23:09.03 | zebalin4 | nvz: yes, thank you. appreciated. but over the year I've used Kanotix I find that just asking here is as good as reading ten screens of bug reports. |
| 23:09.29 | zebalin4 | nvz: it may eat my lunch one day... but I doubt it will be today. I'ts a my own risk. |
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| 23:10.22 | nvz | yeah you're right getting people from a project you take no part in, to do leg work for you is pretty effecient opposed to (not) doing things for yourself. |
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| 23:10.51 | zebalin4 | nvz: and same goes for my debian etch partition too. |
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| 23:11.37 | zebalin4 | nvz: I'm just not into the whole socialistic community thing of Debian. Fine for others. I ask a question... if people don't want to answer becasue they hae an issue with me asking the quesiton, that's fine. |
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| 23:11.38 | alekzandr | beardy: i got disconnected when the laptop decided to hibernate, how would i determine which interrupt failed? |
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| 23:13.07 | nvz | I just hope you consider all of what you said when you personally encounter problems either on Kantoix or Debian.. and when you encounter them on debian you properly file useful bug reports to help others in your situation who are more dilligent at reading the BTS, and you also dont clutter the BTS with any "false info" related to kanotix problems |
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| 23:15.12 | zebalin4 | nvz: I've never filed a bug report as I've never found a bug in anything that had not been reported. Ooops, I'm wrong I followed up on one for ttf-freefont... in the discussion area. (Still not fixed after a year!) |
| 23:16.59 | zebalin4 | nvz: There are chiefs and indians. Debian has a zillion chiefs. I'm just a happy indian. I use what is given to me and if it breaks, well it didn't cost me anything, it was at my own risk, and I don't blame anyone. May sound selfish to you... but that's because you're part of the 'culture' and I'm removed from it. |
| 23:17.38 | nvz | zebalin4: yeah I know how that is.. everytime I think I've found a bug its usually been fixed already |
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| 23:18.26 | zebalin4 | nvz: I don't get into the debian culture wars or the interminable internacine battles that go on. I just use Debian... (etch, and sid). I'm not part of the problem or the solution!! |
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| 23:18.43 | nvz | zebalin4: and if you are removed from the culture then I think you are less than or something other than an indian, cause indians were quite cultural |
| 23:19.02 | nvz | heh |
| 23:19.12 | zebalin4 | nvz: yeah, I'm more like tree or maybe a stream. :-) |
| 23:19.31 | nvz | zebalin4: heh |
| 23:19.38 | gravity | heh |
| 23:19.44 | nvz | zebalin4: both very important to indians |
| 23:19.54 | zebalin4 | nvz: When you come down to it I'm a "debian tourist." |
| 23:20.16 | phaedrus44 | wussup...got this cable modem werking fine now |
| 23:20.42 | zebalin4 | nvz: I'm like the guy who buys Win or Mac. I just want it to work... I don't much care how. |
| 23:20.49 | nvz | gotta start somewhere I suppose.. I knew debian was where I wanted to be from day 1, personall |
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| 23:22.06 | zebalin4 | nvz: I started with mandrake in 2001, went to Salckware in 2002 and stayed until middle of last year when I came to Mepis... and now Debian (and Kanotix). It's all good. |
| 23:22.33 | alekzandr | what do i need to do to determine the cause of a kernel panic, running a stock sarge kernel, on a machine colocated at an isp? It has crashed twice in the last two weeks, and i need to fix it |
| 23:22.50 | DerJamster | Check the logs? |
| 23:23.08 | alekzandr | which log files would help? |
| 23:23.33 | nvz | yeah I lived in MDK land for awhile after an early distribution of RedHat and Corel didnt work well for me.. I used Mandrake from 7.2-8.1 and I was touring slackware and freebsd when I found debian and I didnt look any further cause I knew I found what I was looking for almost instantly |
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| 23:23.51 | DerJamster | um..kernel.logs for example. |
| 23:24.57 | zebalin4 | I read all the glowing reviews of the new Suse or new Ubuntu or the new whatever, and I install them and play a bit but I keep deb around for my day to day work. |
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| 23:25.41 | nvz | I find my time better spend tuning debian to better suit me than running around looking at other distributions of the same software packages |
| 23:25.43 | zebalin4 | When debian breaks the guys fix it fast. That's what I like most about it. |
| 23:26.09 | alekzandr | DerJamster: i am looking at kernel.log, and i don't see anything there about an error |
| 23:26.12 | zebalin4 | When Suse is broken it stays broken until next relesase! |
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| 23:26.17 | DerJamster | alekzandr: dunno then |
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| 23:26.50 | nvz | yeah well windows stays broken even after the next release so things could be worse |
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| 23:27.33 | nvz | I couldnt count on all my fingers the bugs that carried from Win95 all the way through 98 to Millenium Edition before they were fixed |
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| 23:27.53 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: you sure you don't have a bad drive... or some bad RAM? That's about the only thing that I've seen that can hose a Debian Sarge server with a panic. |
| 23:28.15 | alekzandr | zebalin4: i don't know, the server is in texas, i am in florida |
| 23:29.15 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: two crashes in two weeks is horrendous for Deb. You need to have them migrate to new hardware, IMO. Who did the install? You and shipped machine? or them? |
| 23:29.17 | nvz | remindes me of that old country song 'All my Ex's live in texas, thats why I live in tennessee" |
| 23:29.18 | alekzandr | i can tell the hosting staff to do tests, i would like to find out any clue forst |
| 23:29.39 | alekzandr | they did the install, it's their hardware |
| 23:29.51 | beardy | alekzandr: Probably hardware. Do you run anything that is not in sarge on the machine? |
| 23:30.06 | alekzandr | beardy: just qmail |
| 23:30.23 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: than it's their problem. I'd have them pop it on new hardware in a new york minute. No way Sarge can panic twice in 14 days without it being hardware IMO. |
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| 23:31.05 | alekzandr | i can tell them that, but it would be useful to have something to back that up |
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| 23:31.24 | beardy | alekzandr: Just tell them about the crasches and that interrupt error. |
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| 23:31.52 | alekzandr | beardy: they know already, we discussed it when it failed this afternoon |
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| 23:32.14 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: I've got a server at Pair.com running FreeBSD and not much else (LAMP) for 3 years with no problems. It's hardware, I'm sure is your prob. |
| 23:32.18 | beardy | alekzandr: Why haven't they put your system on another box yet then? |
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| 23:32.54 | alekzandr | that is a good question, is there some way to find clues as to the cause of the kernel panics? |
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| 23:33.12 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: what Beardy said. No excuse. Sarge does not crap twice in two weeks for no reason! Not Sarge. Ubuntu might!!! |
| 23:33.13 | beardy | alekzandr: Wait for it to panic again, and read what it says. |
| 23:33.48 | beardy | zebalin4: We don't know what he has done though, but no, it sounds very strange. |
| 23:34.01 | alekzandr | my escalation procedure is for them to attach a terminal and write down the error exactly, the first time two weeks ago it was this: |
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| 23:34.11 | beardy | alekzandr: No problems before that, or something you have done, installed something, or anything? |
| 23:34.39 | zebalin4 | beardy: what if his swap filled up and he had not more free disk space? Would sarge give up the ghost? |
| 23:34.42 | alekzandr | no problems before then, nothing really changed, this is a very stable server normally |
| 23:35.01 | beardy | alekzandr: Let's hear what it said. |
| 23:35.32 | alekzandr | there was a pair of servers from the navy that seem to have been hacked and were spamming my mail server, |
| 23:35.43 | alekzandr | this is the error: |
| 23:35.44 | alekzandr | <0> Kernel panic: Fatal exception in interrupt |
| 23:35.44 | alekzandr | In interrupt handler - not syncing |
| 23:35.45 | beardy | zebalin4: Depends, but I think it starts dropping processes if that is happening, most likely the one that's filling it. |
| 23:35.50 | _ds | How useful. |
| 23:36.04 | _ds | Should be more than that... |
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| 23:36.56 | _ds | Backtrace? Register dump? |
| 23:36.58 | alekzandr | today the message had scrolled off the screen and they could only see this: It had a kernel panic, about a fatal exception Interupt |
| 23:37.13 | zebalin4 | beardy: I agree. Even a DoS attack will not panic a kernel, I don't think. Slow it down a lot, but not kill it. |
| 23:37.13 | _ds | => logging via serial console (or netconsole) is needed. |
| 23:37.18 | nvz | well I should probably head home and cut my grass :-/ I got my 2 sarge dvds burned so now I should be able to install any additional packages I need :) |
| 23:37.37 | beardy | zebalin4: If you have compiled a 2.6 kernel you could have noticed that it's configurable, if you want to select which process to drop, or if it should do it automatically. (perhaps it's in 2.4 aswell, don't remember) |
| 23:37.38 | alekzandr | _ds: where would i find the backtrace or register dump? |
| 23:37.47 | _ds | Kernel log. |
| 23:37.58 | _ds | Same as the panic message... |
| 23:38.04 | _ds | (Not on disk, though.) |
| 23:38.14 | alekzandr | _ds: don't see either in /var/log/kernel.log |
| 23:38.24 | zebalin4 | beardy: I've only compiled a 2.4 with Slack to put a patch in it for Win4Lin. Never messed with 2.6. Too lazy... too old! |
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| 23:38.41 | _ds | Panics don't end up in log files :-) |
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| 23:39.03 | alekzandr | is there anything that ends up on the disk that can help me find the cause of this? |
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| 23:39.30 | beardy | alekzandr: You said they installed it? |
| 23:39.35 | _ds | alekzandr, if these colo people don't know how to log over a serial link, hit them with a cluebat :-) |
| 23:39.48 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: is this a web server? mail server? what's it being used for? |
| 23:39.58 | beardy | alekzandr: Backup your data and let them earn their money. |
| 23:40.13 | alekzandr | beardy: yes, it is a colocated server, their hardware, it is a web/mail server |
| 23:40.36 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: do you have (pay for) mirroring (I pay Pair $50 a month for it... probably a rippoff... but I sleep at night) |
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| 23:41.37 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: who are you co-lo with? |
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| 23:41.59 | alekzandr | servermatrix/the planet |
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| 23:42.18 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: are you co-lo? Is it YOUR machine you own or is it their machine you rent? |
| 23:42.29 | alekzandr | their machine |
| 23:42.52 | zebalin4 | alekzandr: you are not really co-lo. You have a dedicated server that they own and I presume manage. |
| 23:42.59 | zebalin4 | You rent. |
| 23:43.31 | alekzandr | i rent the server |
| 23:44.29 | DerJamster | zebalin4: ...wait. $50 a month to get the hdd mirrored? |
| 23:44.47 | DerJamster | ah, you mean onto another server? |
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| 23:44.52 | zebalin4 | DerJamster: yeah. I'm an idiot... but gotta have it. |
| 23:45.06 | zebalin4 | DerJamster: on to another HD. |
| 23:45.18 | zebalin4 | DerJamster: tell me about the rip. go ahead tell me! |
| 23:45.25 | DerJamster | zebalin4: ....that...is an utter..ripoff. |
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| 23:45.34 | DerJamster | I pay 50 for my dedicated server :> |
| 23:45.47 | zebalin4 | DerJamster: I pay about $150/mo |
| 23:46.11 | DerJamster | 3.6 GhZ P4, 1 gig ram, 120gig hdd, 100mbit. 'nuff for stuff. |
| 23:46.12 | undesktop | how can I make "du" to sort its output? (by size) |
| 23:46.30 | DerJamster | 1.5tb/month |
| 23:46.42 | DerJamster | undesktop: check man sort |
| 23:46.45 | _ds | du | sort -g |
| 23:46.47 | zebalin4 | DerJamster: Pair.com is very expensive, but you get great service. Been with them for 4 years now. Happy customer. Usual disclaimers apply. |
| 23:46.52 | _ds | Still check the man page, though |
| 23:46.54 | undesktop | DerJamster: nice joke |
| 23:47.07 | DerJamster | undesktop: ...not a joke. |
| 23:47.12 | undesktop | DerJamster: this will sort it somehow, but not by size, especially if you do "du -h" |
| 23:47.32 | undesktop | well, ok, without -h it might work, maybe |
| 23:48.17 | DerJamster | well, if you don't want to use sort since you use -h..you gotta code your own du I guess. |
| 23:48.28 | DerJamster | or write a script that handles the -h |
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| 23:49.44 | undesktop | doesn't sound good |
| 23:50.52 | undesktop | 920K 955M 964K oh well |
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| 23:57.46 | alekzandr | DerJamster: where do you have your server hosted for $50? |
| 23:58.34 | DerJamster | alekzandr: German hoster. server4you. Crappy support, but I never had real problems, so never needed it. second server I have there, second year. |
| 23:59.21 | alekzandr | DerJamster: i might buy a spare to backup this one, what's wrong with their support? |
