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| 00:00.41 | streuner | test |
| 00:00.42 | *** kick/#debian [streuner!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood) |
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| 00:00.58 | streuner | good :-) |
| 00:01.08 | sussudio | !test |
| 00:01.08 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 00:01.59 | beardy | "tell streuner about flood |
| 00:02.11 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 00:03.02 | streuner | well, debhelper didn't work serveral hours ago, so i think dondelelcaro fixed in the meantime |
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| 00:06.44 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 00:06.46 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 00:08.59 | kbitter | The debian installer fails to load the floopy driver during the install. I dont have a floopy. Can I avoid this error? |
| 00:09.28 | cafuego | That's a bit odd, mine (also not floppy) goes bast that just fine. |
| 00:09.29 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that didn't hit the flood limiter because it was too slow |
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| 00:09.46 | cafuego | Do you have the floppy disabled in the bios as well as not plugged in? |
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| 00:10.28 | pollywog | how can I find out how to backport a package... is it something I should not attempt? |
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| 00:10.47 | kbitter | cafuego: i have floppy disabled on bios and not plugged |
| 00:10.52 | nkuttler | pollywog: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:11.00 | pollywog | nkuttler: ty |
| 00:11.02 | cafuego | kbitter: any useful log messaged on tty3? |
| 00:11.26 | streuner | dondelelcaro: that was the reason why i asked before... |
| 00:11.42 | dondelelcaro | streuner: yeah, no worries; I just checked it out. |
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| 00:12.05 | drasko | hi all. how to translate .texi files to pdf? |
| 00:12.19 | dondelelcaro | drasko: pdftexi iirc. |
| 00:12.37 | kbitter | cafuego: do you think the acpi 2.0 support my produce this error? |
| 00:12.54 | cafuego | it's possible I suppose.. still odd though |
| 00:12.56 | kbitter | cafuego: i have this enabled on my bios. |
| 00:13.42 | kbitter | cafeugo: I'll try to disable it. |
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| 00:17.09 | tarzeau | WHY THE FUCK DO I GET SPAM FROM MURPHY.DEBIAN.ORG ? |
| 00:17.21 | tarzeau | that's fucktarded |
| 00:17.24 | streuner | tarzeau: NOT only you :-) |
| 00:17.50 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't care if others get spam. this is MY EMAIL ADDRESS |
| 00:18.08 | streuner | tarzeau: no spamfilter is perfect... |
| 00:18.44 | tarzeau | streuner: someone should sit behind @debian.org email addresses |
| 00:18.48 | tarzeau | and to the filtering manually |
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| 00:20.46 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: so filter it after it comes from debian.org |
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| 00:25.25 | tarzeau | must. play. nethack. |
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| 00:28.11 | cusco | nethack? |
| 00:28.13 | cusco | lol |
| 00:28.18 | cusco | im playing armagetron |
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| 00:28.53 | nile | armagetron is fun |
| 00:29.11 | cusco | yea! |
| 00:29.14 | streuner | there is a channel called #nethack, some people told me if you run nethack its more and more difficult :-) |
| 00:29.21 | cusco | too bad that the debian repositories don't have armagetronad |
| 00:29.32 | cusco | armagetron is a discontinued project |
| 00:30.02 | cusco | now there is armagetrona dvanced and it goes on 0.3.. big difference from 0.2.7 from the rep. |
| 00:30.26 | Alam_Debian | ok, this dmix error keep killing MPD, dmix keep losing control of it slave device, I need a way to monitor what uses my ALSA devices, anyone know of program that does this, other then fuser? |
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| 00:31.29 | SkyBlueshoes | how hard is it to run Adobe Photoshop on Debian Sarge or will it run through wine at all? |
| 00:31.45 | Alam_Debian | SkyBlueshoes, ask in #winehq |
| 00:31.53 | SkyBlueshoes | thanks |
| 00:35.22 | clarity_ | hrm... is there a way to install xorgconfig via package manager? |
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| 00:42.52 | bernouli | if i have a linux box, how can i find out which distro is beeing used? |
| 00:43.27 | iLLf8d | often theres a version file in /etc |
| 00:43.48 | nile | bernouli, does "ls /etc/*version" output anything? |
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| 00:44.10 | bernouli | nile, nothing |
| 00:44.18 | cmatei | or maybe *release, iirc |
| 00:44.19 | bernouli | file not found |
| 00:44.48 | nile | bernouli, does /usr/bin/apt-get exist? ;) |
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| 00:45.10 | bernouli | no |
| 00:45.41 | zimnyx | I can't make my WLAN work.. It uses 128bit WEP key. (Key is OK, it works on windows). Does 128bit WEB key need some additional kernel driver? |
| 00:45.50 | iLLf8d | no version file huh, I thought most of the commercial dists did that and a few non commercial |
| 00:46.11 | zimnyx | I've found posts on web, guys had problem with 128bit WEP key too... |
| 00:46.20 | hologram | evening all |
| 00:46.50 | nile | bernouli, well, at least you know it probably isn't debian, ubuntu, mepis, xandros, or knoppix :) |
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| 00:47.47 | bernouli | nile, but still i dont know which one is it :) |
| 00:48.50 | nile | does anything in /boot/grub/ give it away? |
| 00:48.54 | lucia_ | what mean that distro? |
| 00:49.19 | bernouli | i see /etc/VERSION |
| 00:49.25 | Coweater | cat it |
| 00:49.32 | bernouli | T2 SDE 2.2-trunk |
| 00:49.34 | cusco | dudes... |
| 00:49.36 | bernouli | hmm, what ist that? |
| 00:49.42 | cusco | how do I echo something in bash.. |
| 00:49.44 | cusco | with colours! |
| 00:49.44 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 00:50.00 | cusco | how do I put colorfoul text? (if I can) |
| 00:50.10 | Novastorm | http://www.t2-project.org/ |
| 00:50.47 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 00:50.47 | hologram | anyone else having trouble loading slashdot.org? |
| 00:51.11 | Novastorm | nope, fine for me |
| 00:51.11 | iLLf8d | bernouli, you fishing? |
| 00:51.14 | gravity | hologram: Works for me |
| 00:51.15 | lucia_ | use ncurses library or ansi code? |
| 00:51.19 | bernouli | Illarane|Laptop, no |
| 00:51.23 | hologram | must be problem here |
| 00:51.47 | bernouli | iLLf8d, no, why? |
| 00:51.59 | Coweater | cusco: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8603 |
| 00:52.12 | iLLf8d | seems like it |
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| 00:52.44 | cusco | thanks Coweater |
| 00:52.53 | iLLf8d | not that it matters really most deb users enjoy the deb experience since it just works |
| 00:52.55 | SkyBlueshoes | how do you get into the expert installation mode again? what's the flag? |
| 00:53.12 | SkyBlueshoes | at boot prompt: linux 26 -expert? |
| 00:53.14 | Novastorm | hologram, i'm having trouble with slashdot too now |
| 00:53.40 | hologram | interesting |
| 00:53.42 | hologram | it just stalls here |
| 00:53.59 | Novastorm | yup same, the header comes up, with the menu at the top, but thats it |
| 00:54.01 | hologram | it loads the link bar at the top of the page but none of the stories |
| 00:54.04 | hologram | yep same here |
| 00:54.12 | hologram | wonder whats going on there |
| 00:54.20 | Novastorm | dunno, DDOS lol |
| 00:54.26 | hologram | :/ |
| 00:54.30 | Novastorm | maybe they slashdotted themselves again |
| 00:54.50 | nile | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.59 | nile | flying robots, cellophane |
| 00:55.07 | Novastorm | ah works now |
| 00:55.10 | Novastorm | very slow but |
| 00:55.20 | Novastorm | i'm at monash university in australia, where are you hologram? |
| 00:55.52 | DerJamster | hmmh. /.'s working here, too. |
| 00:56.25 | hologram | in in the southwest part of united states |
| 00:56.27 | kreg_work | what do you use in debian to manage what services start and stop? |
| 00:56.28 | hologram | im/in |
| 00:56.37 | DerJamster | kreg_work: I prefer sysc-rc-conf |
| 00:56.39 | DerJamster | apt-get it |
| 00:56.42 | hologram | kreg_work: go to /etc/init.d |
| 00:56.52 | DerJamster | easy to use, run it and select stuff. |
| 00:56.56 | kreg_work | hologram, heh no, i will not manually edit...hehheh |
| 00:57.01 | DerJamster | er, sysv-rc-conf :> |
| 00:57.04 | DerJamster | not sysc |
| 00:57.05 | hologram | kreg_work: :( |
| 00:57.17 | kreg_work | tried out sysv-rc-conf, works fine, just thougth i'd ask. |
| 00:57.21 | SkyBlueshoes | can someone tell me how to get into the expert installation mode? |
| 00:57.43 | hologram | should have been an option on the initial menu right? |
| 00:57.48 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.04 | kreg_work | dude! new technology! |
| 00:58.09 | hologram | its MAGICAL |
| 00:58.23 | kreg_work | new technology usually confuses me, but i'm willing to try |
| 00:59.04 | hologram | yes |
| 00:59.06 | hologram | like this |
| 00:59.10 | hologram | http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail152.html |
| 00:59.22 | kreg_work | is that the tech support one? |
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| 01:00.15 | hologram | ya |
| 01:00.16 | nige | hi all |
| 01:00.20 | hologram | heya nige |
| 01:00.31 | nige | how can I tell what version of debian I am running? |
| 01:00.42 | hologram | "doo doo da doo doo boo doodoo .. its the hoooooOOOlld muUUuUusic!" |
| 01:01.05 | cusco | Coweater: dude.. |
| 01:01.35 | cusco | can you make .bashrc echo something colorfoul? |
| 01:01.39 | comsa | nige ??? |
| 01:01.49 | nige | aye? |
| 01:02.12 | nile | colorfoul, heh :) |
| 01:02.17 | comsa | uname -a |
| 01:02.21 | cusco | oh it works |
| 01:02.23 | cusco | forget it |
| 01:03.00 | comsa | uname -a in consol |
| 01:03.19 | nige | cusco: , that wont tell me if I am running sarge or sid or woody |
| 01:03.21 | hologram | dont think that would give the debian version .. just the kernel version |
| 01:03.36 | nige | hologram: correct :) |
| 01:03.53 | hologram | in slackware there was a version file in /etc |
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| 01:04.02 | hologram | not sure the debian equivalent |
| 01:04.14 | sky0 | nige: you can check /etc/issue and/or /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:04.51 | hologram | that still wouldnt give the exact version info would it? |
| 01:04.58 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.00 | nige | sky0: /etc/issue just says Debian / GNU linux testing /unstable |
| 01:05.51 | nige | and the sources lists dont actually tell me, the cdrom bit has been commented out |
| 01:05.51 | nige | well removed.... |
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| 01:07.21 | kreg_work | ok i can't take it anymore |
| 01:07.24 | kreg_work | kreg@bashir:/etc$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:07.27 | kreg_work | nige, |
| 01:07.52 | hologram | kreg_work: thats same info as could be fount in sources.list |
| 01:08.02 | kreg_work | heh that too |
| 01:08.30 | nige | so my verision is testing/unstable? |
| 01:08.35 | nige | that cant be right |
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| 01:09.05 | kreg_work | why can't that be right? |
| 01:09.19 | nige | becuase i want to know if its sarge, woody, or patotoe |
| 01:09.23 | DerJamster | what _is_ in the sources.list? |
| 01:09.23 | nige | potatoe rather |
| 01:09.35 | kreg_work | if it's testing, you now know it's "etch" |
| 01:09.45 | nige | DerJamster: if i put that in i will be booted for floodying |
| 01:09.49 | nige | cheers |
| 01:09.54 | DerJamster | nige: so use a nopaste site |
| 01:10.00 | DerJamster | google for one |
| 01:10.10 | nige | pastebin :) |
| 01:10.19 | nile | DerJamster, a list a debian repositories that you want to get packages from |
| 01:10.30 | DerJamster | nile: duh |
| 01:10.44 | DerJamster | nile: I wanted to know what's in -his- :) |
| 01:11.00 | nile | DerJamster, oh, sorry, I misunderstood |
| 01:11.04 | DerJamster | happens :> |
| 01:11.34 | nige | uploadinge the files |
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| 01:17.59 | Kiowana | I keep getting this warning whenever I am about to a dist-upgrade: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:17.59 | Kiowana | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:18.16 | Kiowana | and it wants to remove kdelibs-bin to resolve that. Would this break everything? |
| 01:18.30 | nige | still going :( |
| 01:18.39 | DerJamster | nige: ..what are you uploading? :P |
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| 01:21.25 | nige | my sources list, I think the pages is about to time out |
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| 01:21.48 | Jemt | Greetz. When I run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', I don't get the option to set up the monitor. Suggestions ? |
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| 01:31.40 | phaedrus44 | any wine experts in here? |
| 01:31.41 | phaedrus44 | hehe |
| 01:32.27 | Dave123 | phaedrus44, I like to drink wine ;) |
| 01:34.05 | zimnyx | I'm trying to set up my WLAN connection using 128bit WEP keys. My config is http://pastebin.ca/77455 . I got network available on Windows so key is 100% OK. Also i can connect to other WLAN network (not using WEP) so hardware is ready... Any ideas what can be wrong? Maybe WEP needs some kernel driver issue? btw iwconfg eth1 scan shows my AP. |
| 01:36.31 | phaedrus44 | i like to drink too |
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| 01:37.36 | Jemt | Could someone tell me why I don't get the configuration options for the monitor when running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ? |
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| 01:40.18 | edgardoweb | hola |
| 01:40.23 | killown | how I record sound /dev/dsp? |
| 01:40.27 | edgardoweb | wenas noches alguien me puede ayudar |
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| 01:41.44 | Jemt | edgardoweb: This is an english channel |
| 01:42.40 | edgardoweb | thank jemt |
| 01:45.53 | jelly-home | is that es or pt? |
| 01:45.54 | jelly-home | !es |
| 01:45.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:53.17 | sky0 | Jemt: you should get a dialog; trying it myself it doesn't work here either (though I may be at fault for breaking my Xorg install) |
| 01:53.47 | SkyBlueshoes | which xserver should I use for my Nvidia GeForce 4000 or how can I find out? |
| 01:54.37 | phaedrus44 | hello.. |
| 01:54.47 | SkyBlueshoes | would it be the NV selection? |
| 01:54.53 | phaedrus44 | if my dri mode in XFreeConfig is 0666 |
| 01:55.04 | phaedrus44 | how do i give my users permissions? 0777? |
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| 01:55.20 | simonrvn | SkyBlueshoes: there's only one |
| 01:55.27 | simonrvn | you pick a driver.. |
| 01:55.41 | simonrvn | phaedrus44: no |
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| 01:55.51 | SkyBlueshoes | oh, yeah, a driver...is it the NV selectio that supports Nvidia GeForce 4000mx? |
| 01:55.52 | simonrvn | phaedrus44: info chmod |
| 01:56.00 | simonrvn | it should.. |
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| 01:56.36 | bernouli | did someone ever see this error? http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=7374 |
| 01:57.19 | bernouli | i hate "permission denied" |
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| 02:00.40 | Ratlump | Only 568 people here, huh? Don't suppose anyone knows how to get fglrx to use DRI with an Radeon 9550 ? |
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| 02:01.01 | rohan | wow, debian sid has the 'cat' program b0rken ? |
| 02:01.23 | Ratlump | That's amazing rohan |
| 02:01.33 | rohan | Ratlump: or is it just me ? :) |
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| 02:01.38 | rcastro | where is apt-setup in etch ? |
| 02:01.46 | rohan | [rohan@(none) ~]$ cat |
| 02:01.46 | rohan | -bash: /bin/cat: cannot execute binary file |
| 02:01.49 | Ratlump | rohan: I wouldn't know, I'm on etch |
| 02:01.53 | rohan | oh, ok |
| 02:01.54 | zinx | rohan: user error, it sounds like |
| 02:02.04 | zinx | rohan: or bad hardware |
| 02:02.07 | rohan | [rohan@(none) ~]$ file /bin/cat |
| 02:02.07 | rohan | /bin/cat: data |
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| 02:02.32 | nile | rohan, would you like me to send you my cat? |
| 02:02.32 | nile | :P |
| 02:02.36 | Ratlump | rcastro: apt-spy, maybe? |
| 02:02.47 | karma | I'm using etch, and I was trying to upgrade x.org from 6.9 to 7.0, but the update didn't fully complete and now x11 wont start... |
| 02:03.01 | rohan | nile: let me try reinstalling coreutils :D |
| 02:03.14 | nile | sure ;) |
| 02:03.17 | Ratlump | karma: I upgraded from sarge to etch and my x11 wouldn't install... |
| 02:03.26 | karma | I've tried manually going through and upgrading the 6.9 packages to 7.0, but fonts are still way messed up and I cant load any display manager |
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| 02:03.47 | Ratlump | karma: Did you use apt/aptitude? |
| 02:04.01 | rohan | wow, reinstalling coreutils solved it .. disk corruption ? |
| 02:04.01 | karma | aptitude |
| 02:04.05 | nile | I think I might be one of the only people who had zero issues with upgrading x to 7 |
| 02:04.14 | rohan | nile: me too |
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| 02:05.12 | karma | well I think it has something to do with libmesadri and fonts being not configured within x11...or something |
| 02:05.15 | Ratlump | karma: Same here. I had issues with pre-dependencies of one package with dependencies against the same package (in reverse) |
| 02:05.31 | Ratlump | karma: Well, do you have xserver-xorg installed? |
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| 02:05.46 | sky0 | bernouli: can you post the first few lines of 'compile'? I guess it is missing a CC=gcc so that $CC is empty and the script tries to execute the first param (the .c file) instead |
| 02:05.55 | karma | is there any clean way to reinstall x.org 7.0 that's not too much of a hassle, because it just wont start at all right now |
| 02:05.58 | karma | ? |
| 02:06.39 | Ratlump | karma: Don't know. I've been too afraid to uninstall it all and reinstall... I finally got Radeon 9550 to work (mostly, anyway) |
| 02:06.43 | bernouli | sky0, there is only one line in compile: exec -c ${1+"$@"} |
| 02:06.52 | Ratlump | Do you get a Xorg.0.log file? |
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| 02:07.30 | sky0 | bernouli: than check the makefile; something needs to set the c compiler |
| 02:07.37 | karma | Ratlump: yeah I have both xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core installed and at the 7.0 version |
| 02:08.33 | Ratlump | karma: Did you say that it actually starts x11, but the fonts are weird? |
| 02:08.53 | bernouli | sky0, in the makefile, i can see only one variable SHELL=/bin/sh, no other variable |
| 02:09.04 | Sir-vince | i wish to add a new chain, but how do i make that new chain a part of the forward chain, so if i add a rule to the new chain, it will do it in forward |
| 02:09.04 | Ratlump | karma: What about the "xorg" package? |
| 02:09.11 | karma | Ratlump: no, it fails to start the x server at all |
| 02:09.15 | Sir-vince | but listed under the new chain |
| 02:09.21 | karma | yeah, xorg is there |
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| 02:10.11 | Ratlump | karma: What xserver-xorg-input and xserver-xorg-video packages do you have? What videocard? |
| 02:10.28 | sky0 | bernouli: fetched a tar.gz; give me a moment to digest this |
| 02:10.31 | karma | Ratlump: the error message says "(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (a required submodule cannot be loaded)" |
| 02:10.57 | karma | "(EE) Unable to find a vaild framebuffer device" |
| 02:10.59 | Ratlump | karma: *shiver* that is similar to what I was getting (I actually switched video cards). Which videocard do you use? |
| 02:11.07 | rcastro | Ratlump, noup, apt-setup isn't in apt-spy, that is strange but I don't remember the last time when I used it |
| 02:11.10 | bernouli | sky0, fetch tar.gz? you mean send to you? |
| 02:11.31 | sky0 | bernouli: no, I downloaded it myself ;-) |
| 02:11.37 | Ratlump | rcastro: I never used apt-setup, so I never realized I didn't have it anymore. |
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| 02:11.46 | karma | "(EE) screens found, but none have a usable configuration" |
| 02:11.46 | rcastro | LOL OK |
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| 02:12.13 | karma | I have a Nvidia GeForce 6600 GT |
| 02:12.21 | bernouli | sky0, you know where i can upload file? |
| 02:12.44 | karma | both the proprietary Nvidia drivers and the open source nv drivers wont work |
| 02:12.56 | Ratlump | karma: Ahh... I had a NVidia GeForce 6200 OC. |
| 02:13.36 | Ratlump | karma: Couldn't get glx to work either. You may find that commenting out Load "glx" from your xorg.conf will make X11 work. |
| 02:14.21 | Ratlump | At one point I /did/ get it all to work, it seemed, but my screen was too faint. Are you using Driver "nvidia" in your xorg.conf? |
| 02:14.46 | Wyzard | Ratlump: That problem with the dim screen was fixed in a later version of the driver |
| 02:15.38 | Ratlump | Wyzard: Er... Which version are you running on? |
| 02:15.41 | karma | I also get the error "(WW) 'font.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc". Entry deleted from font path" |
| 02:15.48 | SkyBlueshoes | is there a good tutorial/reference about installing and configuring the x-server? |
| 02:15.56 | Wyzard | karma: "screens found, but none have a usable configuration" isn't the real error message... look earlier in X's output to find another error message that says what's actually wrong |
| 02:15.57 | karma | what part of x11 does this mean is broken |
| 02:16.05 | Wyzard | karma: The latter message is a consequence of the former |
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| 02:16.35 | karma | Wyzard: I have the detailed xserver output in front of me...what should I look for? |
| 02:16.39 | Ratlump | karma: I had a few of those, too. The reason you get that is because the directory structure was changed. You can probably ignore those. |
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| 02:17.08 | Wyzard | karma: 8762 currently, but the version that fixed the problem was the one that also dropped compatibility with older cards |
| 02:17.21 | Ratlump | karma: Sorry I am a bit behind. |
| 02:17.23 | Wyzard | That was several versions back |
| 02:17.33 | Wyzard | karma: Just look for any other (EE) lines |
| 02:17.49 | karma | Wyzard: I've tried both the 8762 Nvidia drivers and the open source nv driver and neither work |
| 02:17.58 | Ratlump | Wyzard: I would absolutely love to see a copy of your xorg.conf (I battled with it for days) |
| 02:18.01 | karma | Wyzard: I'll go check for other EE lines |
| 02:18.28 | Wyzard | Ratlump: I was upgrading from a geforce2 and already had the driver working correctly for that |
| 02:18.38 | Wyzard | I installed the 6200 and it worked, aside from the dim, barely-visible picture |
| 02:18.50 | Rug | What is the order of most-stable to least stable? Stable -> Testing -> Unstable ?? |
| 02:18.54 | Wyzard | When I upgraded the driver, the dim-picture problem went away... I don't think any xorg.conf changes were needed |
| 02:18.58 | gravity | Rug: Right |
| 02:19.01 | sky0 | bernouli: something must have gone wrong while detection the compiler, are you sure it is installed?; you can try to edit 'compile' like this: exec cc -O2 -c ${1+"$@"} |
| 02:19.04 | Rug | gravity: thanks |
| 02:19.13 | gravity | No problem |
| 02:19.19 | Ratlump | Wyzard: How did you upgrade your driver? |
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| 02:19.35 | fear_me | mornin |
| 02:19.50 | Wyzard | Ratlump: I run unstable, but the newer version that I mentioned was available in experimental at the time, so I installed it from experimental |
| 02:20.11 | Ratlump | Wyzard: Oh, ok.... wondering if it would work for me in testing... |
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| 02:20.16 | Wyzard | Ratlump: These days, the version in unstable and probably even testing should work fine |
| 02:20.17 | karma | Wyzard: other EE lines include "failed to load module 'glx'" and "unable to find a valid framebuffer device" and "screens found but none have a usable configuration" |
| 02:20.21 | bernouli | sky0, it works |
| 02:20.39 | hokatichenci | What's the debian mysql charset default? |
| 02:20.42 | Ratlump | Wyzard: I got the faint screen in testing... |
| 02:20.53 | Wyzard | Ratlump: How long ago was that, though? |
| 02:21.03 | Ratlump | Wyzard: Today. |
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| 02:21.19 | fear_me | hokatichenci, should be the system default charset |
| 02:21.23 | Wyzard | karma: Which driver are you using? |
| 02:21.37 | karma | Wyzard: should I comment out the "load "glx"" line in my xorg.conf? |
| 02:21.44 | bernouli | sky0, but i get another error at the end ./load: line 4: exec: -o: invalid option, cat load, gives me exec -o "$main" "$main".o ${1+"$@"} |
| 02:21.48 | bernouli | is it version issue? |
| 02:21.55 | karma | Wyzard: I've been trying 8762 binary drivers and the open source nv |
| 02:22.06 | Wyzard | karma: shouldn't be necessary... I've never had to remove that line |
| 02:22.40 | Wyzard | karma: If you're getting errors about being unable to load "glx" while using the "nv" driver, then I'm confused |
| 02:22.41 | karma | Wyzard: I'm trying to use nv right now but Nvidia returns similar errors, so I dont think it's a driver issue |
| 02:22.48 | Ratlump | Wyzard, karma: Sorry, I mentioned commenting out Load "glx" earlier because at least I got an X11 screen... Not the best solution. |
| 02:23.19 | Wyzard | karma: I was using the "nvidia" driver up until last week, but I've been having problems with X randomly locking up (I'm pretty sure it's a hardware problem) so I switched to "nv" for now |
| 02:23.29 | sky0 | bernouli: no, just the same error; several scripts (compile, make-compile, load) are generated; yours are missing the 'cc' between 'exec' and the first '-' parameter |
| 02:23.33 | Wyzard | karma: I'm running X using "nv" with the Load "glx" line *not* commented out, right now |
| 02:23.46 | Ratlump | Wyzard: If you type glxinfo what do you get...? |
| 02:24.01 | karma | Wyzard: I dont think it's a driver issue because the problem started during an upgrade from xorg 6.9 to 7.0 that didn't fully complete |
| 02:24.11 | bernouli | sky0, how come it misses that cc? |
| 02:24.13 | Wyzard | Ratlump: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 02:24.15 | sky0 | bernouli: load contains the following here: exec cc -s -o "$main" "$main".o ${1+"$@"} |
| 02:24.42 | Wyzard | karma: Well, you should definitely finish your upgrade before you try to use X |
| 02:24.44 | Ratlump | Wyzard: Aha... so you're actually not running GLX either. So if I'm trying to run a program using OpenGL it won't work... |
| 02:25.29 | karma | Wyzard: well I went through using aptitude upgrading 6.9 to 7.0 and it still isn't working |
| 02:25.47 | SkyBlueshoes | I'm getting the error 'unable to load framebuffer device' does that have to do with the video card BusID? |
| 02:25.52 | Wyzard | Ratlump: I'm using "nv", but I do have the nvidia-glx package installed, so my GL libraries are the nVidia ones rather than the Mesa ones, so I don't get even software-based GL |
| 02:25.52 | Ratlump | karma: Which packages haven't completely installed? |
| 02:26.06 | Wyzard | Ratlump: but X should still start successfully with the Load "glx" line in xorg.conf... that works for me |
| 02:26.19 | sky0 | bernouli: I have no idea why; it works here. what does your 'make-compile.sh' file contain? do you have CC env-variable defined? |
| 02:26.29 | Ratlump | So why do you get extension GLX missing on display :0 ? |
| 02:26.34 | orge | what is grsec? |
| 02:26.36 | orge | !grsec |
| 02:26.37 | dpkg | well, grsecurity is http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1551 |
| 02:26.42 | Ratlump | Wyzard: So why do you get extension GLX missing on display :0 ? |
| 02:26.44 | orge | what is it? |
| 02:26.52 | karma | Ratlump: as far as I can tell, they're all at 7.0...is there any way I can double check that I have all the packages that I need for X.org 7.0? |
| 02:27.27 | bernouli | sky0, echo exec "$CC" -c '${1+"$@"}' |
| 02:27.28 | karma | or is there anyway to do a complete reinstall/reconfiguration of x11?? |
| 02:27.34 | bernouli | shit, i think the $CC misses |
| 02:28.00 | Wyzard | Ratlump: glxinfo loads /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, which normally would be the MesaGL implementation that can do software rendering, but since I have nvidia-glx installed, my libGL.so.1 is nVidia's implementation that doesn't work with anything other than their own X driver |
| 02:28.21 | orge | is grsec like hardened? |
| 02:28.21 | Wyzard | Ratlump: Since I'm using the "nv" driver rather than their "nvidia" driver, their libGL.so.1 can't provide GL support at all |
| 02:28.45 | Ratlump | karma: Well, you could hit the L key on xorg, xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core... Not sure if that would do it, though. |
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| 02:30.04 | karma | Wyzard: do you think I should try and reinstall the xorg packages? |
| 02:30.10 | Ratlump | Wyzard: Right, so even though you have the nvidia-glx packages loaded, that doesn't mean you get glx... |
| 02:30.25 | Wyzard | karma: If you have X half-installed, it'd be a good idea to try to remove it completely and then reinstall cleanly |
| 02:31.04 | karma | Wyzard: well I'm pretty sure I have all the xorg 7.0 packages I need installed |
| 02:31.04 | Wyzard | Ratlump: karma was saying that X was failing to even *start* because of the Load "glx" line in xorg.conf |
| 02:31.22 | karma | well that's just one of the errors it returns |
| 02:31.25 | Wyzard | Ratlump: I'm saying, X should start with that line there, even with GLX completely unusable due to the situation I described |
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| 02:31.39 | Ratlump | Wyzard: Ok, sorry to confuse you. I was referring to another issue I was having with getting GLX working... |
| 02:31.58 | sky0 | bernouli: seems editing 'conf-cc' & 'conf-ld' is a cleaner choice; all other scripts are generated from those |
| 02:31.59 | Ratlump | Wyzard: You are completely correct. |
| 02:31.59 | karma | Even when using a non X11 terminal running a program like links, all the fonts are screwed up |
| 02:32.17 | Ratlump | karma: Tried /etc/init.d/console-setup start ? |
| 02:32.26 | Wyzard | karma: OK, so maybe that GLX error isn't fatal |
| 02:32.27 | karma | I'm pretty sure it's a related issue because the X11 error output mentions fonts being messed up |
| 02:32.47 | Wyzard | karma: In that case, "unable to find a valid framebuffer device" seems to be the likely cause |
| 02:32.53 | Ratlump | karma: I doubt it if it is console stuff. The fonts for X11 is only in X11. |
| 02:33.08 | karma | Wyzard: so how do I fix it :( |
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| 02:33.40 | Ratlump | karma: I found that after nvidia tried to load and I switch back to a virtual console that I would have to run /etc/init.d/console-setup start every time and that fixed the fonts. |
| 02:33.45 | Wyzard | karma: Do you have a "UseFB" option in the Device section in your xorg.conf? |
| 02:34.07 | Wyzard | karma: Oops, "UseFBDev" |
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| 02:34.46 | karma | Wyzard: no, I just have an identifier and a Driver line |
| 02:35.27 | karma | oh wait, in section "Screen" I do have useFBDev |
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| 02:36.04 | Wyzard | karma: Is it set to "true" ? |
| 02:36.12 | Wyzard | karma: If so, change it to "false" |
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| 02:36.40 | karma | yes, it's set to true |
| 02:37.42 | karma | Wyzard: ok I changed it to false, is that the only change I should make? |
| 02:37.58 | karma | Wyzard: and should I try this new option with nv or the Nvidia drivers? |
| 02:38.13 | Wyzard | I don't actually know what the purpose of that option is -- IIRC, the xserver-xorg package's Debconf questions include a note saying that on some systems, X won't work without it, and on other systems, X won't work *with* it |
| 02:38.20 | Wyzard | Try "nv" first |
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| 02:40.11 | karma | Wyzard: ok something different happened--this time when I tried loading gdm it switched to a resolution that was out of range for my monitor |
| 02:40.36 | karma | Wyzard: either that or it didn't work at all and my monitor wasn't receiving any output whatsoever |
| 02:40.46 | Ratlump | karma: Maybe you need to set the refresh ranges of your monitor. |
| 02:40.47 | bernouli | sky0, http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=7376 |
| 02:40.49 | Wyzard | Well, that's progress -- at least it went into graphics mode |
| 02:41.08 | Wyzard | Are you using a custom-compiled kernel, btw? |
| 02:41.23 | karma | Wyzard: well the resolution and refresh ranges I have configured in xorg.conf are fine for my monitor |
| 02:41.46 | karma | Wyzard: no I'm using testing's stock 2.6.15-686 kernel |
| 02:41.54 | Wyzard | Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see how far X got in starting up, then |
| 02:42.12 | Wyzard | ok... I'm confused, then, since I'm pretty sure the stock kernels include framebuffer support, but whatever |
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| 02:43.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/0055211&from=rss :( |
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| 02:43.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | Freedb dies |
| 02:43.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | and so CDDB |
| 02:44.57 | Wyzard | Ox0F0-0FF: Musicbrainz is cooler anyway |
| 02:45.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | A bunch of debian packages use it |
| 02:45.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | And personal considerations won't help about this |
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| 02:47.19 | karma | Wyzard: The log file has the same errors... |
| 02:48.35 | karma | What's the way to run that setup program that asks a bunch of X11-related questions in a row? |
| 02:48.56 | karma | I think most/all of the font lines in xorg.conf are incorrect... |
| 02:49.02 | Wyzard | !tell karma about drxx |
| 02:49.11 | fear_me | how do i add a user to a group wit non-GUI ? |
| 02:49.19 | Ratlump | !tell ratlump about drxx |
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| 02:50.25 | Ratlump | Wyzard: Interesting. When I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I get asked all of the questions, but no xorg.conf gets generated... |
| 02:50.33 | Ratlump | Wyzard: And I don't have drxx or xmd5 |
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| 02:50.52 | Wyzard | You "don't have" them? |
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| 02:51.03 | Wyzard | Those are bot factoids |
| 02:52.02 | Ratlump | Wyzard: I see. |
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| 02:52.49 | sky0 | bernouli: edit 'conf-cc' again to manually include errno.h; mine looks like: cc -O2 -include /usr/include/errno.h |
| 02:53.26 | bernouli | sky0, what should i do actually after editing that files? simple run make setup check again? |
| 02:55.28 | sky0 | bernouli: I would first run 'make clean' and the 'make setup check'; maybe you don't need to clean, but it can't hurt |
| 02:55.46 | bernouli | i dont know if i have downloaded the old version, but i have many "head -1" in Makefile, which is obsolete and should be replaced by "head -n 1" |
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| 02:57.02 | karma | THis is extremely frustrating... I'm just going to reinstall "xorg" "xserver-xorg" and "xserver-xorg-core" and hope for the best |
| 02:57.10 | karma | I'm not rea;;y sure what else to do at this point |
| 02:57.18 | DARKGuy | Greetings :) can anybody tell me why when making a correct .Xdefaults file in my home folder, it doesn't work? :( |
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| 03:00.46 | SkyBlueshoes | can anyone help me get x configured? |
| 03:01.05 | sky0 | bernouli: seems 1.03 is the latest version; it complains a lot while compiling as well. Judging from that I would rather use another smtpd |
| 03:01.14 | dabreegster | SkyBlueshoes: What problems are you having? /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 03:01.39 | SkyBlueshoes | what is dpkg drxx? |
| 03:01.48 | bernouli | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.04 | dabreegster | !tell SkyBlueshoes about drxx |
| 03:02.45 | fear_me | can someone help me wit webmin? |
| 03:02.49 | fear_me | with |
| 03:03.00 | Noboru | i was asking in #mysql but it seems ppl are zzzz in that channel |
| 03:03.03 | sussudio | !webmin |
| 03:03.03 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 03:03.10 | SkyBlueshoes | bash: drxx: command not found |
| 03:03.17 | bernouli | sky0, what do you have at line 722? |
| 03:03.35 | SkyBlueshoes | drxx is a no go...basically I'm getting framebuffer not found in the error logs |
| 03:03.39 | dabreegster | SkyBlueshoes: No, read what the dpkg bot in IRC told you |
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| 03:03.57 | tengulre11 | Hi,all, which channel discuss H.323 protocol? |
| 03:04.03 | SkyBlueshoes | oh, ok |
| 03:04.10 | Noboru | Can anyone tell me on debian , does it a matter of having a large size of mysql database which will be resulting in an outcome to going to be a failure when you do mysql backups ? |
| 03:04.20 | SkyBlueshoes | but how do I know what my BusID is? |
| 03:04.23 | Noboru | lets say, 1GIG or so |
| 03:04.28 | simonrvn | bernouli: try not using }, {} are shell special |
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| 03:05.25 | bernouli | simonrvn, i dont write that sed expression, it is in a makefile, and i got error while compiling |
| 03:05.56 | fear_me | i dunno how to allow other hosts, except 127.0.0.1 by editing the config files of webmin |
| 03:05.57 | Noboru | hmm |
| 03:07.04 | fear_me | could anyone help me? |
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| 03:07.11 | Noboru | My another question is, if you are running a debian server,doing webhosting tasks, how come the HDD comes to having so many non-continued files and what to do to avoid this happening in the lowest scale ? |
| 03:07.16 | bernouli | simonrvn, if i eliminate thos }, i still get unterminated `s' command |
| 03:07.33 | simonrvn | bernouli: makefile? try to do something like $(shell head -n -1 conf-qmail) instead of `head -n -1 conf-qmail` |
| 03:07.37 | SkyBlueshoes | How do I find out what the Bus ID is of my Nvidia card? |
| 03:07.50 | litage | considering that php4 is in stable and php5 is in testing, is it not recommended to use php5 in production? |
| 03:07.52 | Noboru | I forogt that word in english,its like after hdd is being used for some time,you gotta do defrag on windows |
| 03:07.56 | Noboru | forgot* |
| 03:08.23 | bernouli | simonrvn, what about the sed part? |
| 03:09.16 | simonrvn | try using , instead of } |
| 03:09.33 | fear_me | thx |
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| 03:10.22 | bernouli | simonrvn, same problem |
| 03:10.33 | sky0 | bernouli: 722 in the makefile is a target for 'hostname'; no head -1 conf-qmail involved, but something like that is a few lines above. Did you try the qmail-src version packaged by debian; maybe that will be easier, you can at least hope the maintainer fixed those problems with a diff. |
| 03:11.14 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:12.23 | Set | how is it even possible that it doesn't detect the cd-rom it just booted from!? |
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| 03:14.04 | litage | Set: booting from cd-rom occurs from within the bios |
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| 03:15.06 | Set | litage, how can I find out and fix my cdrom issue? |
| 03:15.20 | bernouli | i found the problem, i must replace every "head -n -1" into "head -n 1" |
| 03:15.27 | bernouli | seems nasty typo |
| 03:15.31 | sky0 | bernouli: or replace: "`head -1 conf-qmail`" with: /var/qmail (or whatever your path); |
| 03:15.44 | Set | litage, I have installed Gentoo, Xandros, SimplyMepis, Fedora, Mandriva, Ubuntu, SUSE, Kubuntu, etc on this laptop... all of them found my cd-rom |
| 03:15.52 | Set | any tips would be greatly appriciated |
| 03:17.26 | Set | "ls /dev | grep cd" only gives me "ptycd" and "ttycd" |
| 03:18.24 | Set | "lsmod |grep cd" gives me "cdrom 32176 1 ide_cd" |
| 03:18.55 | sky0 | Set: does this show you anything: dmesg|grep '^hd[abcd]:' |
| 03:19.22 | Set | yes, it shows my harddrive |
| 03:19.25 | Set | sda |
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| 03:26.59 | stormrider_may | Hello, i'm trying to setup an irc server on Debian. I installed dancer-ircd and dancer-services but i cannot find a tutorial or documentation about it. Could someone tell me where can i find it? |
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| 03:27.18 | sky0 | Set: have you checked http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - they have guides for many models. And why is your hd sda (SCSI disk)? maybe the cdrom is mapped to sdb then? |
| 03:27.40 | unix_infidel | sky0: SATA hd. |
| 03:27.42 | Wyzard | sky0: SATA hard drives appear as SCSI |
| 03:28.08 | Wyzard | and the CD-ROM would be scd0 (assuming it's SATA too) |
| 03:29.33 | Wyzard | actually, I think SATA CD-ROM support is still considered "experimental", and you have to pass a special option to the module when you load it, or the drive is just ignored |
| 03:29.43 | sky0 | thanks you two; I guess I can explain my lack of knowledge with low budget = oldish hw ;-) |
| 03:30.45 | Wyzard | Put "options libata atapi_enabled=1" in /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| 03:31.07 | Wyzard | That was necessary in 2.6.15... dunno whether it's changed in 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 |
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| 03:31.36 | Wyzard | but the SATA CD-ROM drive in my Thinkpad has been working perfectly once I enabled that |
| 03:31.44 | Set | I checked that site, and a kubuntu user reports that it's found as Appears as /dev/scd0. |
| 03:31.55 | Set | I tried ls |grep scd and found nothing |
| 03:32.24 | Wyzard | Set: Did you read what I just said about needing to enable SATA CD-ROM support? |
| 03:32.50 | Set | Wyzard, nope. that's what I'm going to try now |
| 03:32.54 | Wyzard | As of kernel 2.6.15 (I haven't checked whether it's changed in newer versions), SATA CD-ROM drives are ignored by default, and you need an option to enable them |
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| 03:33.46 | Set | Wyzard, I find it kind of hard to add that option onto a netinstall cd |
| 03:34.31 | Set | as the file you specified isn't there |
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| 03:34.35 | keram | hello |
| 03:34.45 | Set | hey there |
| 03:34.48 | keram | I was wondering how to view a list or something like that of all my network interfaces |
| 03:34.53 | Set | ifconfig |
| 03:34.55 | Wyzard | Set: Switch to a terminal (alt+F2) and "rmmod libata; modprobe libata atapi_enabled=1" |
| 03:35.02 | Wyzard | keram: ip link show |
| 03:35.10 | keram | ipconfig: command not found |
| 03:35.21 | Wyzard | keram: or you can use ifconfig, but that's deprecated these days |
| 03:35.32 | keram | ip command not found |
| 03:35.37 | Wyzard | apt-get install iproute |
| 03:35.45 | bernouli | bye all |
| 03:35.48 | keram | umk |
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| 03:35.59 | keram | lol i dont have ifconfig or ip |
| 03:36.11 | Wyzard | keram: You seem to have misspelled "ifconfig" as "ipconfig" |
| 03:36.19 | keram | yeah thats just in the xchat window |
| 03:36.23 | keram | i actually typed in ifconfig |
| 03:36.36 | Wyzard | Try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:36.43 | Wyzard | If you're not root, /sbin isn't on your path |
| 03:37.22 | keram | okay now that i have iproute installed ip link show shows 4 things |
| 03:37.43 | Wyzard | Those are your network interfaces |
| 03:37.54 | keram | and what does /sbin/ifconfig show? |
| 03:38.55 | Set | arg |
| 03:39.13 | Set | Wyzard, it doesn't work |
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| 03:39.59 | Wyzard | Set: You couldn't unload and reload libata? Or doing so didn't make your CD-ROM drive appear? |
| 03:40.09 | Set | rmmod wasn't recognized |
| 03:40.17 | Set | I could modprobe libata |
| 03:40.24 | Set | and my drive still isn't recognized |
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| 03:42.08 | keram | or whats the difference between 'ifconfig' and 'ip link show'? |
| 03:42.28 | Wyzard | Set: You might want to use an external USB CD-ROM drive if you have one, just for the installation... or a bootable USB flash drive; those are a supported installation method too |
| 03:42.29 | floundering | Hi |
| 03:42.43 | Set | Wyzard, no go then :( |
| 03:42.52 | Set | thanks anyway |
| 03:42.56 | Wyzard | keram: "ip" is newer and is meant to be a replacement for "ifconfig", but it's not as widely used yet |
| 03:43.11 | keram | how come there are more things listed in 'ip' |
| 03:43.45 | Wyzard | Set: On my aforementioned Thinkpad, I installed using debootstrap from an Ubuntu liveCD -- mainly because I was setting up the hard drive to be encrypted, but Ubuntu uses a newer kernel too |
| 03:44.01 | Wyzard | keram: Because it can do more |
| 03:44.08 | floundering | I an in a little difficulty with console graphics :( svgalib and framebuffer modules |
| 03:44.10 | keram | ic |
| 03:45.07 | keram | okay i have a question |
| 03:45.21 | keram | how do i enable one of the network interfaces that arent listed in ifconfig |
| 03:45.38 | Wyzard | Use ifup |
| 03:45.39 | keram | ifconfig only shows eth0 and l0, but there are also 2 other devices sit0 and eth1 |
| 03:45.47 | keram | ifup eth1? |
| 03:46.14 | Wyzard | Well, sit0 is a tunneling thing that you don't need to worry about |
| 03:46.18 | Wyzard | ifup eth1, yes |
| 03:46.19 | keram | Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. |
| 03:46.29 | Wyzard | You need an entry for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:46.46 | keram | what would an entry look like? |
| 03:46.48 | Wyzard | That's what says how the interface is to be configured (DHCP, static IP, etc.) |
| 03:46.53 | Wyzard | man interfaces |
| 03:47.01 | Wyzard | and look at the entry for eth0 that's (presumably) already there |
| 03:47.11 | keram | after i edit the interfaces file how do i make the changes happen |
| 03:47.15 | keram | do i have to restart something? |
| 03:47.18 | Wyzard | Run ifup eth1 again |
| 03:47.23 | keram | okay |
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| 03:48.10 | keram | i just coppied the entry for eth0 and changed it to eth1 |
| 03:48.18 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:48.22 | Wyzard | That's probably using DHCP |
| 03:48.26 | floundering | can svgalib and the kernel framebuffer module co-exist? |
| 03:48.31 | Wyzard | Is there a DHCP server on the network that your eth1 is connected to? |
| 03:48.45 | keram | not that i know of |
| 03:48.55 | Wyzard | then that won't work |
| 03:48.59 | Wyzard | What is it that you're trying to accomplish? |
| 03:49.22 | keram | i'm trying to bring up a second network interface so that i can connect another computer to it |
| 03:49.43 | Wyzard | A direct connection between two computers? |
| 03:49.49 | keram | yep |
| 03:49.57 | Wyzard | You'll need to set up static IPs for that, unless you want to use Avahi (aka Apple Rendezvous) |
| 03:50.20 | Wyzard | Are you trying to set up a router? |
| 03:50.27 | litage | considering that php4 is in stable and php5 is in testing, is it not recommended to use php5 in production? |
| 03:50.31 | keram | no i'm just trying to get internet into another box in this room |
| 03:50.53 | Wyzard | Then yes, you're trying to set up a router |
| 03:50.58 | keram | okay |
| 03:51.14 | Wyzard | You might want to take a look at the "ipmasq" package |
| 03:51.42 | keram | ok |
| 03:51.44 | keram | what does that do? |
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| 03:52.15 | Wyzard | Setting up a router for a LAN requires some firewall rules in addition to the configuration of the second interface, and for convenience it helps to run a DHCP server too... ipmasq is meant to help automate those tasks |
| 03:52.24 | Wyzard | I haven't used it myself though |
| 03:52.32 | keram | ic |
| 03:52.44 | keram | so if i install ipmasq i could probably run something like 'ipmasq'? |
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| 03:53.04 | Wyzard | No, it's something that starts automatically when the system boots |
| 03:53.11 | keram | ok |
| 03:53.15 | keram | why do you need a firewall? |
| 03:53.20 | keram | why cant you just directly share the connection? |
| 03:53.24 | sky0 | it is easy enough without it; if you get 'ping' to work you are nearly there |
| 03:53.43 | Wyzard | sky0: Not to someone who doesn't seem to know much about TCP/IP |
| 03:53.52 | floundering | I am trying to use zgv and fbi for viewing jpegs on a console, executing them from mc applications menu |
| 03:54.03 | keram | okay i set up eth1 and its supposedely running how do i check to make sure? |
| 03:54.30 | Wyzard | keram: The firewall is used for doing Network Address Translation, which is necessary on most home broadband connections because your ISP only gives you one IP address, and you're trying to share it among several computers |
| 03:54.40 | sky0 | keram the second computer: does it already have a configured network card? what is the IP address there? |
| 03:54.57 | keram | 192.168.2.11 |
| 03:55.02 | keram | its static |
| 03:55.06 | keram | and a fc4 box |
| 03:55.39 | floundering | zgv runs once only and not thereafter, fbi can not get past 640x480 and will not work at all after zgv has ran |
| 03:55.44 | Wyzard | You'll probably want to configure eth1 on your router box with a static IP of 192.168.2.1, then |
| 03:56.06 | keram | umm |
| 03:56.17 | keram | i actually already have a router on my lan thats configured to 192.168.2.1 |
| 03:56.30 | Wyzard | oh |
| 03:56.34 | Wyzard | Then why are you setting up another one? |
| 03:56.40 | Wyzard | Just plug both computers into the router you already have |
| 03:56.44 | keram | i cant |
| 03:56.52 | keram | the router is rooms away with only one cord coming to this room |
| 03:57.00 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:57.00 | keram | so i want to further masquerade it down to the fc4 box |
| 03:57.18 | Wyzard | Well, you don't actually need masquerading... you could just bridge the ports together |
| 03:57.23 | keram | oh cool |
| 03:57.25 | keram | how do i do that? |
| 03:57.29 | Wyzard | That makes your two network cards act like a 2-port switch |
| 03:57.38 | keram | ah ic |
| 03:58.01 | Wyzard | Start by installing the "bridge-utils" package |
| 03:59.00 | keram | okay |
| 03:59.07 | keram | its installed |
| 03:59.38 | Wyzard | Are you IRCing through the box that you're currently configuring, btw? |
| 03:59.53 | keram | yeah |
| 04:00.03 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 04:00.20 | keram | it goes internet --> router --> debian sid box --> usbToEthernet --> fc4 box |
| 04:00.31 | keram | and i'm on the debian box |
| 04:00.46 | Wyzard | That's fine; just means that I'm going to tell you to reboot the box when we're done configuring the bridge, rather than trying to walk you through several steps that avoid a reboot but bring down your Internet connection as the first step :-) |
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| 04:01.01 | Wyzard | Go back to your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 04:01.09 | keram | i can get on another notebook if thats easier? |
| 04:01.25 | Wyzard | That'd be preferable, but it's not a big deal |
| 04:01.27 | Liquid_Ic | I am trying to install debian to my intel mac mini. I downloaded the 'testing' version and it installs but i have no network. I need the yukon marvell network driver which is in kernel 2.6.16 and up. Where can I find an installer cd that has the latest kernel? |
| 04:01.32 | keram | okay then i'll just stay on this one |
| 04:01.44 | keram | meh actually w/e i'll get the notebook it will be easier |
| 04:01.58 | Wyzard | If the bridge setup doesn't work for some reason, it'd save you from having to put things back as they were before you could get back on IRC |
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| 04:02.12 | keram | yea |
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| 04:03.05 | keram | okay |
| 04:03.09 | keram | i'm on notebook |
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| 04:03.28 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 04:03.47 | Wyzard | On your PC, run "ifdown eth0; ifdown eth1" |
| 04:04.02 | keram | k |
| 04:04.10 | Wyzard | (That'll disconnect it from the network -- that's why I asked about whether you were IRCing from it) |
| 04:04.16 | keram | oh ic |
| 04:04.17 | Wyzard | Now go back to your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 04:04.24 | keram | k |
| 04:04.30 | Wyzard | Remove the entry you added for eth1 |
| 04:04.43 | keram | done |
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| 04:04.49 | Wyzard | For eth0, you probably have "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp", right? |
| 04:05.08 | keram | yep |
| 04:05.34 | Wyzard | Change "eth0" to "br0" on both of those lines |
| 04:05.40 | keram | ok |
| 04:06.00 | Wyzard | Underneath the "iface" line, add a new line, indented by a tab: "bridge_ports all" |
| 04:06.37 | Wyzard | (The "all" means to bridge together all your network cards; you could also say something like "bridge_ports eth0 eth1" if you had an eth2 that you didn't want to be part of the bridge) |
| 04:06.51 | keram | ok |
| 04:06.58 | Wyzard | Save and exit, and "ifup br0" |
| 04:07.02 | keram | what about l0 or one of those? |
| 04:07.31 | Wyzard | That's the loopback interface... you can ignore that |
| 04:07.41 | keram | too many parameters fo riface line |
| 04:07.47 | keram | ifup: couldnt read interfaces file |
| 04:07.52 | Wyzard | You made a typo |
| 04:08.01 | Wyzard | Did you indent the "bridge_ports" line with a tab? |
| 04:08.14 | Wyzard | You should have: |
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| 04:08.16 | Wyzard | auto br0 |
| 04:08.20 | Wyzard | iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 04:08.23 | Wyzard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.26 | keram | okay there it goes |
| 04:08.40 | Wyzard | Check that you can access the Internet from that box now |
| 04:09.16 | keram | i dont think so |
| 04:09.22 | keram | ping google.com isnt working |
| 04:09.30 | Wyzard | Run "ip addr show br0" |
| 04:09.34 | Wyzard | See if it has an IP |
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| 04:09.52 | Timtow | Is UltraEdit32 available on Debian? |
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| 04:10.09 | ethernet_ | is there any Email client which is able to import .pst mailbox files from Outlook ? |
| 04:10.09 | keram | the only thing that looks close to an ip is 'inet 192.168.2.136/24' |
| 04:10.20 | Timtow | or is there a good alternative? |
| 04:10.29 | keram | Timtow, vim? |
| 04:10.37 | Wyzard | Timtow: Isn't that a Windows program? |
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| 04:10.54 | Timtow | yeah, it's a windows program |
| 04:10.55 | Wyzard | keram: That does look like an IP assigned by your router |
| 04:11.02 | keram | yeah |
| 04:11.04 | nevyn | ethernet_: thunderbird but you need outlook installed. |
| 04:11.15 | Wyzard | keram: Do "ifdown br0" and see if the IP goes away |
| 04:11.23 | Wyzard | keram: Then bring it back it up and see if the IP comes back |
| 04:11.25 | ethernet_ | nevyn: how possible? I need to do this under Linux, so outlook can't be there |
| 04:11.30 | keram | yeah it goes away |
| 04:11.37 | keram | i'll bring it back up |
| 04:12.23 | keram | when i say ifup br0 it says device br0 already exists; cant create bridge with same name |
| 04:12.32 | keram | then it goes ahead and shows the same stuff it showed before |
| 04:12.42 | Wyzard | Does it get an IP again? |
| 04:12.51 | nevyn | ethernet_: if you have only the pst files then you're in trouble |
| 04:12.52 | keram | yeah |
| 04:12.56 | keram | it gets the inet line |
| 04:13.05 | Wyzard | Well, it sounds like it's communicating OK... I'm not sure why you couldn't access Google |
| 04:13.15 | Wyzard | See if you can ping 192.168.2.1 (assuming that's your router's IP) |
| 04:13.20 | ethernet_ | nevyn: yeah I just have the .pst which I exported before delete Windows... and now I migrated to linux, trying to get the .pst running under linux |
| 04:13.29 | keram | no thats not even working |
| 04:13.33 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 04:14.02 | Wyzard | Run "/sbin/route -n" and look in the "iface" column on the right |
| 04:14.14 | keram | br0 |
| 04:14.19 | keram | theres 2 entries |
| 04:14.52 | Wyzard | One with a destination of 192.168.2.0 and a gateway of 0.0.0.0, and one with a destination of 0.0.0.0 and a gateway of 192.168.2.1, right? |
| 04:15.06 | keram | yeah |
| 04:15.19 | Wyzard | OK, your routing table is correct |
| 04:15.24 | Wyzard | Do you have a firewall on this box? |
| 04:15.31 | keram | i dont believe so |
| 04:15.33 | Wyzard | (Maybe you installed iproute earlier and it's running?) |
| 04:15.40 | Wyzard | argh, meant ipmasq, not iproute |
| 04:15.53 | keram | yea i think i did install ipmasq earlier |
| 04:15.57 | keram | uninstall it? |
| 04:16.00 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 04:16.04 | keram | i also have dnsmasq installed |
| 04:16.19 | Wyzard | That shouldn't matter |
| 04:16.27 | keram | ok there gone |
| 04:16.28 | nevyn | hrm ethernet_left before I could tell him about http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox |
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| 04:16.51 | Wyzard | though it probably doesn't belong on this box... if contains a DHCP server, which will conflict with the one on your router |
| 04:17.12 | keram | okay i removed that one too |
| 04:17.36 | keram | okay now i did ifdown br0; ifup br0 and i can connect to google on the debian box |
| 04:17.42 | wols_ | by default dnsmasq doesn't do dhcp unless you config it to. only dns |
| 04:17.55 | Wyzard | Run "iptables -L" as root, and you should see about six lines of output |
| 04:18.05 | Wyzard | If it scrolls a bunch of stuff, you have a firewall in place |
| 04:18.12 | keram | indeed 6 |
| 04:18.26 | Wyzard | ok |
| 04:18.30 | Wyzard | Try pinging something again |
| 04:18.49 | keram | it works |
| 04:18.58 | Wyzard | ok... must've been the firewall from ipmasq |
| 04:19.18 | keram | yeah |
| 04:19.31 | Wyzard | So you're set up with a bridge now... this box with its 2 network cards is acting as a switch |
| 04:19.39 | Wyzard | with 2 external ports, and one connected internally to itself |
| 04:19.39 | keram | okay |
| 04:19.48 | keram | ok |
| 04:19.53 | keram | so the other fc4 box should just 'work' |
| 04:19.54 | keram | ? |
| 04:20.04 | Wyzard | Your "br0" interface represents the union of eth0 and eth1... you don't need to configure eth0 and eth1 individually |
| 04:20.10 | Wyzard | br0 is effectively your network card |
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| 04:20.25 | keram | wow this rocks |
| 04:20.32 | Wyzard | yeah... just plug something into the other port, and it should work as if it was cabled directly to the router |
| 04:20.44 | keram | what about services and ports |
| 04:21.14 | keram | if i have a service running on the fc4 box it will work just as if it was plugged into the main router? |
| 04:21.18 | Wyzard | yep |
| 04:21.40 | keram | so the main router can see both the debian box and the fc4 box seperately as different devices? |
| 04:21.45 | Wyzard | yep |
| 04:21.48 | Wyzard | Just like a switch |
| 04:21.51 | keram | wow this is so kewl :] |
| 04:22.38 | keram | let me test everything out before i assume everything is working correctly |
| 04:22.44 | Wyzard | If you happen to run a packet sniffer on your network, you might see a little intermittent traffic using something called the Spanning Tree Protocol |
| 04:22.54 | Wyzard | That's related to the bridge, and you can turn it off if it bothers you, but it's harmless |
| 04:23.00 | keram | okay |
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| 04:23.40 | Wyzard | It's meant to guard against the possibility of creating a "cycle" in the network topology what you'd get if you plugged something into the router directly and also into your bridge box, for example |
| 04:24.16 | keram | ah ic |
| 04:24.22 | keram | okay i have a question |
| 04:24.27 | Wyzard | btw, /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz is the docs on how to set up bridging in your interfaces file... that's what I was reading from a few minutes ago |
| 04:24.30 | keram | is the ip of the fc4 box static or dynamic? |
| 04:24.41 | keram | :] |
| 04:24.44 | Wyzard | dynamic... it's using the DHCP server running on the router |
| 04:24.49 | keram | okay |
| 04:24.57 | Wyzard | You could make it static if you wanted to, but there's not much point in that |
| 04:24.59 | keram | if i wanted to make it static could i? |
| 04:25.13 | Wyzard | yeah... just pick an IP and use it |
| 04:25.19 | keram | ok |
| 04:25.24 | keram | what about on the debian box? |
| 04:25.26 | keram | if i wanted this static |
| 04:25.31 | Wyzard | You can do that too, if you want |
| 04:25.37 | Wyzard | but I see no benefit in that |
| 04:25.41 | Wyzard | DHCP is convenient |
| 04:26.10 | keram | well its easier to assign every comp on my lan an easily rememberable ip |
| 04:26.12 | keram | like 10-15 |
| 04:26.19 | keram | 192.168.2.10-15 |
| 04:26.22 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:26.43 | Wyzard | If you run Avahi on all your boxes, you can address them as "<hostname>.local" |
| 04:26.50 | Wyzard | fred.local, barney.local, etc. |
| 04:26.56 | keram | oh wow |
| 04:26.59 | Wyzard | and they resolve into IP addresses without needing a DNS server |
| 04:27.08 | keram | thats awesome |
| 04:27.12 | Wyzard | Avahi is an open-source implementation of Apple's "Rendezvous" |
| 04:27.21 | keram | do i have to run it on _all_ my boxes? |
| 04:27.39 | keram | because some are windows and some are linux and unix |
| 04:27.51 | Wyzard | Any that you want to use the automatic name resolution on -- it's basically peer-to-peer DNS |
| 04:28.22 | Wyzard | You can get a Bonjour client for Windows from Apple |
| 04:28.35 | Wyzard | http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bonjour/ -- look in the sidebar on the right, near the bottom |
| 04:28.35 | keram | okay |
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| 04:29.16 | keram | what is the debian package? |
| 04:29.20 | keram | avahi-daemon? |
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| 04:29.35 | Wyzard | Oh, I forgot, there are several parts to it |
| 04:29.58 | keram | yeah i see daemon discover dnsconfd and utils |
| 04:30.15 | Wyzard | avahi-daemon lets other people resolve your IP address from your hostname, and libnss-mdns lets you resolve others' |
| 04:30.33 | keram | okay |
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| 04:30.47 | keram | does it only work if all the boxes on my LAN are running either avahi or bonjour? |
| 04:31.15 | keram | or would the ones not running it just not be able to use the hostnames |
| 04:31.44 | Wyzard | After you install libnss-mdns, look in /etc/nsswitch.conf and make sure it says "hosts: files dns mdns" -- the "mdns" is the key, but I'm not sure whether it gets added automatically |
| 04:32.07 | Wyzard | The latter -- boxes without Avahi/Bonjour will work fine; they just can't do the hostname lookup thing |
| 04:32.20 | keram | its not added automatically |
| 04:32.49 | keram | do i have to do anything to restart the service after changing nsswitch.conf? |
| 04:32.58 | Wyzard | I don't think so |
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| 04:33.06 | keram | okay |
| 04:33.07 | Wyzard | It *might* only apply to newly-started processes; I'm not sure |
| 04:33.19 | littleball | hello, i am looking for small size box for linux, who can suggest? |
| 04:33.19 | keram | rebooting would fix it? |
| 04:33.29 | Wyzard | If so, yeah, rebooting would help |
| 04:33.33 | keram | okay |
| 04:33.34 | keram | i'll reboot |
| 04:34.17 | Wyzard | You might also want to play around with the tools in the "avahi-utils" package, and maybe "service-discovery-applet" |
| 04:34.42 | keram | is service-discovery-applet a seperate package? |
| 04:34.45 | keram | what do they do? |
| 04:35.06 | Wyzard | They just let you browse what's being published by other Avahi/Bonjour users on the network |
| 04:35.28 | keram | ah ic |
| 04:35.38 | Wyzard | That'll be everyone's IP address for hostname lookups, but machines can also advertise services that they offer, like printing and file storage |
| 04:35.49 | keram | oh kewl |
| 04:36.21 | Wyzard | "gnome-user-share" lets you create a public folder on the LAN (a subdirectory of your home directory) that will be visible to other Avahi/Bonjour users, for example |
| 04:36.33 | keram | only for gnome? |
| 04:36.42 | Wyzard | (though it's currently a little rough around the edges and doesn't interact well with firewalls) |
| 04:36.50 | keram | ic |
| 04:37.03 | Wyzard | There might be similar stuff for other desktop environments; I don't know |
| 04:37.20 | Wyzard | Avahi isn't quite as integrated into the Linux desktop as Bonjour is in OSX |
| 04:37.35 | keram | ic |
| 04:37.47 | keram | well i'll install it on fc4 and see if i can get something going |
| 04:37.59 | keram | just installing bonjour on windows does it? |
| 04:38.01 | Wyzard | anyway, plain old hostname lookups (which were the original goal here) don't need any desktop environment or anything |
| 04:38.04 | keram | any configuratoin that you know of? |
| 04:38.09 | Wyzard | nope |
| 04:38.14 | Wyzard | Just install it, and I think you have to reboot |
| 04:38.21 | keram | yep |
| 04:38.27 | keram | naw on win2k not even a reboot |
| 04:38.31 | keram | ping ucla.edu works just fine :P |
| 04:40.03 | keram | u have been so helpful |
| 04:40.04 | keram | thanks so much |
| 04:40.05 | Wyzard | On a different note... on my LAN here, rather than using an off-the-shelf router appliance like I'm guessing you're using, I have an old PC running Debian |
| 04:40.20 | Wyzard | and I have the DHCP server configured to recognize each machine by its MAC address and assign it a fixed IP |
| 04:40.20 | keram | oh yea i have a microsoft router |
| 04:40.31 | keram | that sounds leet |
| 04:40.37 | Wyzard | so it's like static IPs, except they're all configured in one central place, the config file on the router |
| 04:40.38 | keram | and difficult |
| 04:40.44 | Wyzard | It's pretty convenient |
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| 04:41.19 | Wyzard | Anyway, glad to help |
| 04:41.26 | keram | hmm |
| 04:41.31 | keram | the net on the fc4 box seems to not be working |
| 04:41.37 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 04:41.47 | Wyzard | Does it get an IP? |
| 04:42.07 | Wyzard | Oh, wait... you have a cable going directly from the Fedora box to the Debian bridge box? |
| 04:42.11 | keram | yeah |
| 04:42.13 | Wyzard | You need a crossover cable for that |
| 04:42.30 | keram | its a fairly new computer wont the nic card do that for me? |
| 04:42.38 | Wyzard | Sometimes, but not always |
| 04:42.44 | Wyzard | Not even usually, I think |
| 04:43.10 | Wyzard | The only computers I know of that consistently have auto-sensing ports are Macs |
| 04:43.21 | keram | oh |
| 04:43.21 | Wyzard | Getting a crossover cable is no big deal though |
| 04:43.33 | Wyzard | You can usually find them at computer stores, I think |
| 04:43.44 | keram | meh i'll make one on wednesday |
| 04:43.53 | Wyzard | Even better if you know how to make cables |
| 04:44.04 | keram | having an eth0 device on the fc4 box is correct right? |
| 04:44.08 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 04:44.22 | Wyzard | The Fedora box doesn't know or care that it's going through a bridge |
| 04:44.30 | Wyzard | Configure it as you always would |
| 04:44.39 | keram | hmm |
| 04:44.44 | keram | its configured to dhcp |
| 04:44.46 | keram | is that correct? |
| 04:44.55 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 04:44.58 | Wyzard | since your router has a DHCP server |
| 04:45.12 | llvllatrix | I'm trying to compile a custom kernel and the build (scsi/sg.h) cant find features.h. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:45.30 | keram | so a crossover cable |
| 04:45.32 | keram | okay |
| 04:45.39 | keram | oh wait |
| 04:45.45 | keram | it goes through a usb-Ethernet adapter |
| 04:45.46 | Wyzard | yeah... sorry I forgot about that earlier |
| 04:45.51 | keram | does that have any bearing on it? |
| 04:45.55 | Wyzard | That shouldn't matter |
| 04:46.01 | keram | ok |
| 04:46.10 | keram | okay well i'll go get me a crossover cable |
| 04:46.14 | Wyzard | That's just an external network card, basically |
| 04:46.19 | keram | ic |
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| 04:46.57 | keram | ok well at least i know its almost fixed |
| 04:47.04 | keram | or i'm close to it |
| 04:47.12 | Wyzard | yep |
| 04:48.28 | keram | bakc to the deb box |
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| 04:51.36 | floundering | Wyzard: I listened in on that bridge conversation, Thanks, I needed to know that too :) |
| 04:51.59 | ScottNailon | hey whats the best package manager? |
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| 04:53.00 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: IMO, aptitude, but it's an opinion question so others may give you different answers |
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| 04:53.59 | cast | aptitude |
| 04:54.02 | wols_ | ScottNailon: dpkg ovbiously |
| 04:54.06 | Timtow | How do you share files in a linux network? Do you have to have a domain server |
| 04:54.19 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: I just want one that will show me all of the avalible packages that have NOT been installed and what they do :) any more info based on what I just said? |
| 04:54.29 | wols_ | tuxcicles: Samba, nfsd or webdav |
| 04:54.38 | ScottNailon | wols dpkg - what sets it apart? |
| 04:54.56 | wols_ | all others need dpkg to do their work. all of them |
| 04:55.08 | ScottNailon | Timtow: do a 'man samba' in console :) |
| 04:55.09 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: aptitude can do that pretty well... it divides the set of packages into "installed" and "not installed", subdivided by sections, and you can browse and search through them |
| 04:55.10 | dabreegster | ScottNailon: wols_ was joking, dpkg is too low-level for your task. aptitude or synaptic are good (dselect is apparently tougher for beginners) |
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| 04:55.31 | Timtow | yeah, I've got Samba for windows shares, I was wondering if there was something specifically for linux |
| 04:55.48 | Wyzard | synaptic looks nicer than aptitude, but it doesn't keep track of automatically-installed vs. manually-installed packages like aptitude does |
| 04:55.59 | wols_ | ScottNailon: what you want is doable: deslect, aptitude, synaptic all do this, but it's totally futile. looking at 10000+ packages descriptions is a stupid thing to do. |
| 04:56.00 | ScottNailon | synaptic is already installed - I guess I will go with that one unless aptitude is better ??? |
| 04:56.14 | dabreegster | I use aptitude myself because I'm a console person. |
| 04:56.42 | ScottNailon | wols_: yeah I understand - will it sub cat the progs? |
| 04:57.00 | wols_ | not so much that it matters |
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| 04:57.15 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: aptitude's main advantage is that it can keep track of which packages were installed because you specifically wanted them to be installed, and which packages were installed only because something else depended on them |
| 04:57.28 | dabreegster | ScottNailon: They'll be divided into groups like games, sound, web, math, text, utils, etc. Anything in particular you're looking for? |
| 04:57.41 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: so when you remove a package, it can automatically remove other packages that nothing depends on anymore |
| 04:57.47 | wols_ | the normal way to get a new package is "I do want to do X, what package helps me doing it? Then I found a package that does and install it. |
| 04:58.19 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: That way you don't get your system cluttered up with a bunch of old packages that nothing uses anymore and that you don't know about because they were installed as dependencies last year of some app you didn't keep |
| 04:58.37 | ScottNailon | dabreegster: I want a disk management tool to partition, format mount and umount for me :) I am going to use the workstation for util and hdd repair etc.... backup and the like :) |
| 04:58.56 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: thats great :) |
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| 05:00.34 | ScottNailon | dabreegster: any suggestions? |
| 05:01.11 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: GNU Parted maybe, though I haven't used it myself |
| 05:01.14 | ScottNailon | dabreegster: I want something that does similar to the Windows disk management in XP, you know the one - where you right click My computer and click manage? its REALLY handy :) |
| 05:01.15 | sky0 | Timtow: traditionally linux uses nfs (network file system) though there are now many alternatives (catering for special needs or whatever): coda, 9p, ... |
| 05:01.28 | dabreegster | ScottNailon: Ask the channel next time. Er, can't think of any. I usually dislike 'management tools' that wrap up commands that I can easily use like mount. There are plenty of backup packages. apt-cache search backup |
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| 05:01.40 | wols_ | ScottNailon: LVM |
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| 05:01.56 | ScottNailon | dabreegster: I am having probs mounting a disk, in fact two different disks :) |
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| 05:02.03 | ScottNailon | wols_: whats LVM ? |
| 05:02.14 | nevyn | Logical Volume Manager |
| 05:02.15 | dabreegster | ScottNailon: What's the problem? |
| 05:02.17 | wols_ | Logical Volume Management |
| 05:02.22 | Wyzard | I don't think LVM is what you're looking for |
| 05:02.24 | nevyn | manager management whatever. |
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| 05:02.45 | Wyzard | That's for provisioning space on a storage server, not doing disk maintenance |
| 05:02.46 | ScottNailon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.05 | Wyzard | Corrupted filesystem? |
| 05:03.11 | wols_ | Wyzard: it'S the same (more or less) what disk management in XP is |
| 05:03.16 | dabreegster | ScottNailon: strange. check dmesg. |
| 05:03.16 | nevyn | Wyzard: but lv's are a sensible format for backups of disks |
| 05:03.18 | Xyverz | hey folks, I tried to do a ppc etch install and it crapped out on getting the apt sources. what is the configuration app I can run to reselect my sources? |
| 05:03.20 | wols_ | but neither of them has anything to do with network shares |
| 05:03.20 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: no, I can open it fine on a winblows box :( |
| 05:03.31 | Xyverz | dpkg-reconfigure apt didn't seem to help |
| 05:03.35 | ScottNailon | dabreegster: I am new - where is dmesg? |
| 05:03.53 | wols_ | Xyverz: apt-setup. or edit sources.list directly |
| 05:03.56 | Wyzard | wols_: He means a GUI for creating, removing, and formatting partitions, apparently of external disks that will be connected temporarily |
| 05:04.00 | dabreegster | ScottNailon: It's a command. Run it in a shell. |
| 05:04.03 | Xyverz | wols_: thank you very much. |
| 05:04.11 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: FAT32? |
| 05:04.17 | ScottNailon | yes |
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| 05:04.41 | Xyverz | wols_: not on my system. |
| 05:04.52 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: FAT32 stores two copies of the FAT, which are supposed to always be identical... if they're different for some reason, that could potentially explain the strange behavior |
| 05:04.55 | Xyverz | apt-setup: command not found. |
| 05:04.56 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: Run dosfsck on it |
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| 05:05.17 | Xyverz | unfortunately, the only apt sources in my sources.list file are the cdrom, and the security sources. |
| 05:05.54 | Xyverz | is there a list of the default etch ppc sources on the debian site? |
| 05:06.02 | wols_ | Xyverz: apt-setup was discontinued either in etch or even sarge I think. If so, you need to edit sources.list by hand, sorry. but it's not hard |
| 05:06.19 | Xyverz | I know that. I don't know what to put in there. |
| 05:06.30 | Xyverz | that's why I'm looking for a list of default apt-sources for etch. |
| 05:06.35 | wols_ | Xyverz: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:06.39 | Xyverz | :-) |
| 05:06.41 | Xyverz | thanks |
| 05:06.59 | wols_ | remove your "stable" in sources.list and put "testing" there. done |
| 05:07.10 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: what is that gunna do ? |
| 05:07.23 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: Find and fix any inconsistencies in the filesystem |
| 05:07.43 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: It's like chkdsk/scandisk |
| 05:07.44 | floundering | ScottNailon: I found ddrescue very usefull for damaged hard drives |
| 05:08.07 | Wyzard | floundering: He says it works OK in Windows though, so it doesn't seem to be a hardware problem |
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| 05:08.48 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: your right. |
| 05:09.17 | ScottNailon | I am sure it is a mounting issue, I just cant figure out why.... I have it plugged into a USB hub - could that be an issue? |
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| 05:10.01 | Wyzard | no |
| 05:10.12 | Wyzard | not unless your USB hub is horribly broken |
| 05:10.29 | ScottNailon | nope its fine :) |
| 05:10.35 | Xyverz | bah. |
| 05:11.00 | deadcat | is it possible to fry the motherboard if i have too many usb devices on a usb hub that doesnt have its own power supply? |
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| 05:11.47 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: þwu??ã?é.}àu is one of the file names... I am sure I just have some wrong entries in fstab or something . . . |
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| 05:12.31 | Wyzard | I think USB keeps track of power consumption of devices and won't try to provide more power than the bus is designed to support |
| 05:12.36 | cahoot | iocharset? |
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| 05:12.41 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: You're mounting it as vfat, right? |
| 05:12.47 | ScottNailon | errr.... |
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| 05:12.53 | ScottNailon | not sure - how do I know? |
| 05:12.54 | deadcat | Wyzard: so its safe? |
| 05:13.12 | Wyzard | deadcat: Probably, though I'm not making an insured guarantee or anything |
| 05:13.22 | deadcat | k |
| 05:13.24 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: i do a mount= /dev/sda1 on /mnt/usb type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=scott) |
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| 05:13.36 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: OK, it's mounted vfat |
| 05:13.51 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: It could be a charset issue as cahoot said, or it could be some sort of corruption |
| 05:14.08 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: how do I check.... |
| 05:15.14 | Wyzard | ScottNailon: Is the drive normally used with a non-English system? |
| 05:15.47 | ScottNailon | Wyzard: no, english only :) |
| 05:16.02 | Wyzard | then it's not likely to be a charset issue |
| 05:16.16 | Wyzard | You wouldn't have Cyrillic or Chinese characters or anything in your filenames |
| 05:16.31 | ScottNailon | nope boring. |
| 05:16.50 | sky0 | ScottNailon: you could check the file content (which wouldn't be affected by charset); "cd /mnt/usb ; file *" should detect common files (mp3, images, zip, pdf) |
| 05:16.59 | Wyzard | Then all I can think of is that it could be corrupted |
| 05:17.20 | Wyzard | in such a way that it happens to work with Windows' implementation of FAT32 but not with Linux |
| 05:17.26 | Wyzard | like out-of-sync FAT tables or something |
| 05:17.27 | ScottNailon | sky0: I dont get you . . |
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| 05:18.25 | wols_ | have you run chkdsk on windows? |
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| 05:18.36 | ScottNailon | didnt need to. |
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| 05:19.40 | sky0 | I meant if it is just the filename being messed up a (for example) zip file is still a zip file (with a different name); if you know what the files should be you can verify if the content is messed up; that would mean filesystem corruption (or different disk geometry detected) |
| 05:19.55 | keram | does anyone know how to convert a .mov to a .avi? |
| 05:20.14 | ScottNailon | hmmm |
| 05:20.18 | ScottNailon | ok |
| 05:21.51 | k-man__ | what do you call an exim configuration where it sends email via your isp's smtp server? |
| 05:22.16 | Wyzard | k-man: smarthost |
| 05:22.23 | k-man__ | i thought so |
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| 05:22.41 | k-man__ | where does one configure that in exim? |
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| 05:23.50 | peterS | k-man__: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' or similar ought to offer easy configuration of that sort of thing |
| 05:23.57 | peterS | k-man__: ...not that I use exim, so I can't verify this |
| 05:24.02 | k-man__ | peterS, ok |
| 05:24.03 | k-man__ | thanks |
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| 05:31.51 | ScottNailon | quick question: is there an email program which works the SAME as Outlook ? even with the fact that it has a single file for storage? |
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| 05:35.02 | keram | whats a good ftp server to install on debian? |
| 05:36.41 | tarzeau | §apt popcon |
| 05:36.44 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 05:36.45 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:36.49 | tarzeau | keram: proftpd or vsftpd |
| 05:37.13 | keram | okay thanks tarzeau |
| 05:37.51 | amphi | keram: did you get the marillat factoid? |
| 05:38.11 | quad3datwork2 | i just setup debian on my home server tonight... odd... i see HD light constantly on (never happened before). top shows md1_raid5 and md1_resync running for some time now. md1 consists of 4x300gb all 4 HDs on separate ide channel. any thoughts? thanks. |
| 05:38.24 | keram | no i figured i'd just do it on windows |
| 05:38.39 | keram | it says vsftp is anonymous only |
| 05:38.42 | keram | how do i configure it? |
| 05:38.42 | amphi | keram: mencoder is damn good IMHO |
| 05:39.00 | tarzeau | keram: /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/ |
| 05:40.24 | Snake-Eyes | Any one have any ideas on what I can do about a cdrom drive thats not being detected by the system? |
| 05:40.32 | quad3datwork2 | is it some type of initial check that softraid do or something? |
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| 05:41.39 | keram | after i edit the /etc/vsftpd.conf file how do i restart the server so that the changes take effect? |
| 05:42.26 | shark_ | keram: kill -HUP vsftpd |
| 05:42.47 | keram | # kill -HUP vsftpd |
| 05:42.47 | keram | -su: kill: vsftpd: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 05:42.55 | shark_ | hum |
| 05:43.00 | shark_ | keram: killall -HUP vsftpd |
| 05:43.39 | keram | okay |
| 05:43.45 | shark_ | keram: did it work ? |
| 05:43.47 | keram | i killed all the vsftpd processes |
| 05:43.53 | shark_ | nop |
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| 05:44.00 | keram | naw i just ps aux | grep vsftpd |
| 05:44.01 | shark_ | HUP is restart signal |
| 05:44.03 | keram | and killed htem all |
| 05:44.04 | keram | oh.. |
| 05:44.09 | keram | how do i restart them now that they are all gone? |
| 05:44.10 | keram | lol |
| 05:44.14 | shark_ | if you process disapear |
| 05:44.21 | shark_ | it might be because of bad config |
| 05:44.37 | keram | oh no i killed them |
| 05:44.38 | keram | lol |
| 05:44.40 | shark_ | try /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 05:44.51 | shark_ | another way to restart |
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| 05:45.36 | kjoonlee | Hi, I can't purge linux-image-2.6.14-2-amd64-k8. |
| 05:45.43 | kjoonlee | pt-get hangs when I try to purge it. Its status is shown as "-" in dselect. What should I do? |
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| 05:49.04 | superlinux | hi all |
| 05:49.33 | wols_ | keram: by default it's run from inetd.conf |
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| 06:01.51 | quad3datwork2 | oh... regarding my previous question about mdadm thrashing... [==========>..........] resync = 52.1% (152732876/292937152) finish=311.9min speed=7488K/sec from 'cat /proc/mdstat' n/m. found answer to my own question. thx anyway |
| 06:02.06 | cat | np |
| 06:02.08 | simonrvn | that's slow |
| 06:02.17 | quad3datwork2 | yea, it's ide drives... :/ |
| 06:02.23 | quad3datwork2 | running on dual 933mhz p3 |
| 06:02.39 | quad3datwork2 | at least all 4 HDs is on its own IDE channel |
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| 06:06.10 | wols_ | what hdds each? |
| 06:07.06 | quad3datwork2 | all western digital 300gb, 4 on RAID5 |
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| 06:07.41 | quad3datwork2 | sole purpose is SAMBA storage so i dont mind the slow cpu and hd speed |
| 06:07.43 | itchi | quad3datwork2: I have heard about it that 'default' it's slow, to not crap you're system, you can have many more performance so that the sync are done in an 1 hour or 2 depending of the capacity. Default it's setup so, so that the rest of you're system are not blocked(to slow) while the sync |
| 06:07.47 | wols_ | and only 7MB/s? You sure you set it up right? |
| 06:07.49 | Tsop | hello room |
| 06:07.50 | wols_ | like BM-DMA? |
| 06:08.12 | Tsop | can i get help with my netgear ma401 pcmci card |
| 06:08.21 | wols_ | !ask |
| 06:08.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 06:08.39 | Tsop | when i insert it i get orinoco_cs: requestIRQ in use |
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| 06:09.24 | itchi | quad3datwork2: I not more remember where, but you can change the speed of it, look a bit?? :-/ |
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| 06:09.41 | quad3datwork2 | yea, it's using like 9% cpu and not more than that. |
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| 06:10.02 | Tsop | any idea what i can do? |
| 06:10.04 | itchi | quad3datwork2: The problem is, now hi is running :-/ So you need to wait :-( |
| 06:10.24 | Tsop | oh me too belive me |
| 06:11.29 | itchi | quad3datwork2: It's an simple config file that you need to change, the value is 200000 default i think, if i remember :-) an 0 more or lesser. Try at first to look in the /etc/md?? |
| 06:11.39 | itchi | quad3datwork2: Oh wait |
| 06:12.19 | itchi | quad3datwork2: I think it's somethings like 'echo VALUE_YOU_WANT /proc/md'?? |
| 06:12.40 | Tsop | nile, r u here man? |
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| 06:13.42 | quad3datwork2 | "md: using maximum available idle IO bandwith (but not more than 200000 KB/sec) for reconstruction." from dmesg http://pastebin.ca/77617 |
| 06:14.00 | itchi | quad3datwork2: I'm not sure you need to wait that he are finish with it. I not know, i have to less experience with |
| 06:14.18 | quad3datwork2 | yea, i'm not in hurry. i'm just SSH from work now. it's not like i can do much right now |
| 06:14.37 | quad3datwork2 | thx |
| 06:15.04 | itchi | quad3datwork2: hhhhmmm, have you find somethings in /proc/md?? |
| 06:15.58 | Tsop | any one help please? |
| 06:16.05 | quad3datwork2 | there is no /proc/md |
| 06:16.23 | itchi | quad3datwork2: It's now at 1000. But i'm think that dondelelcaro had tell me to put more than 200000, im not more sure. Try to ask him to, like he have help me many about it :-) |
| 06:16.32 | rhys | anyone know anything about cgi? |
| 06:16.44 | itchi | quad3datwork2: Is there nothings /proc/i_not_know/md ?? |
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| 06:17.08 | rhys | print FILE "blah blah "this has quotes around it";\n"; only..it hits the second quote and things thats it |
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| 06:18.04 | itchi | quad3datwork2: /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max to something_larger |
| 06:19.06 | quad3datwork2 | itchi: it's alright. i dont mind the slow speed. by the time i get off work should be done. i was just pondering about the constant thrashing after i setup a fresh system... but now i know just resyncing. |
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| 06:19.18 | P-NuT | Hey all, this may be kinda a n00b question, but I get color in top, ls etc when entering commands in my login, but I dont get it as root. Can anybody tell me how to fix that? |
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| 06:19.34 | itchi | quad3datwork2: Now you know +- how it's caused ;-) |
| 06:19.51 | quad3datwork2 | yes. i remembered those 2 files now. thanks! |
| 06:19.51 | amphi | P-NuT: alias ls='ls --color=auto' as root |
| 06:20.12 | quad3datwork2 | P-NuT... check your regular user ~/.bashrc there is an option in there. |
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| 06:21.18 | P-NuT | ok thanks |
| 06:21.32 | itchi | quad3datwork2: But i tell again, i have less experience with it :-) It's not an easy task to manage it. And once it's setup, you not want to touch it! Like the data are one it :-) |
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| 06:21.48 | quad3datwork2 | hehe yea |
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| 06:23.19 | itchi | quad3datwork2: But i can sugest you, to try to play many with it before ... So that you have as maximum of knowledge of it, once done and running ^^^. So try to know a bit more about it, like i did the mistake, and now it's an bit shit to play with it like it need to move the files :-/ |
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| 06:24.03 | itchi | quad3datwork2: Take you time :-p |
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| 06:24.44 | ruser | gah, i hate to ask it here, but would anyone know a channel where i could find someone to help me fix my ipaq 3800 backlight, which isn't wokring at all? google ain't helping, so i'm tyirng ot find an irc channel |
| 06:25.08 | keram | hey Wyzard |
| 06:25.27 | keram | i dont think the hostname thing is automatically starting when i reboot |
| 06:26.32 | keram | what was it called again? |
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| 06:30.53 | itchi | quad3datwork2: It's for personal use ? |
| 06:31.24 | Tsop | I have a problem with Netgear MA401 "orinoco"; I'm running Debian version 2.4.27-2-386. when I try to insert the card I get the following output "orinoco_cs: RquestIRQ: Resource in use". help me please |
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| 06:41.04 | insmod | Tsop: it's a preloaded module -- you must have had the card in when u installed -- it's not hotpluged |
| 06:41.45 | Tsop | insmod, what shall i do |
| 06:42.10 | Tsop | i did ifconfig eth0 down and up |
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| 06:42.38 | Tsop | and when i reboot with it inside i can't ping my gatway |
| 06:42.44 | samuel | sup all |
| 06:43.21 | samuel | anyone know of a program that will do some simple extrapolation? quadratic? polynomial? linear? |
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| 06:43.43 | samuel | such as matlab? |
| 06:44.10 | samuel | for linux? ive matlab at work, but i would like a free program to do simple stuff at home |
| 06:44.20 | samuel | with a gui if possible |
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| 06:45.23 | insmod | Tsop: edit the loading modules -- or just rmmod them |
| 06:45.50 | Tsop | insmod, i'm n00be how can i do that please? |
| 06:45.57 | sky0 | samuel: there is 'octave' with numerous packages, don't know about a GUI. in fact there are plenty of math prgs/libs, depending on what exactly you want to do. |
| 06:46.16 | k-man_ | which configuration directory does exim4 use? |
| 06:46.19 | k-man_ | /etc/exim4? |
| 06:47.18 | insmod | Tsop: can't help now i an doing stuff -- man lsmod |
| 06:47.27 | samuel | sky0, i want something fairly simple i wont have to learn... i already know mathematica and matlab for work, and dont want to learn others when im still working on python and perl :) |
| 06:47.31 | samuel | any ideas? |
| 06:47.57 | Tsop | insmod, it cool i'll come here again tomorrow and ask , but thank u for ur help any ways |
| 06:48.00 | Tsop | good night all |
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| 06:52.31 | sky0 | samuel: octave says it is mostly matlab compatible, so you should be familiar; furthermore there is http://www.mupad.de (free for personal use; pretty good; have to get a free license key though), GNU R (for statistics), or maybe simply 'gnuplot' ? |
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| 06:55.24 | samuel | sky0, thanks! |
| 06:55.34 | sky0 | you are welcome |
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| 07:07.23 | blocky | can someone tell me how to add an iptables rule to forward a port on my router to a computer within the LAN |
| 07:08.53 | keram | no idea but that sounds interesting |
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| 07:15.24 | sep | blocky,something like /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport 8888 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:80 |
| 07:15.24 | sep | /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.0.2 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:15.38 | sep | blocky, and would be much easier if you'd use shorewall or similar :) |
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| 07:23.41 | blocky | sep, how do you set up port forwarding with shorewall? |
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| 07:26.54 | Jazon | hi everyone |
| 07:27.05 | Jazon | i have no hostname... :'( hpstan |
| 07:27.07 | Jazon | oops |
| 07:27.13 | Jazon | hostname = '(none' |
| 07:28.15 | sep | read the shoerwall rules file it's documented in there. |
| 07:28.43 | sep | blocky, or on shorewall.net, it's usualy something like DNAT fromzone tozone:ip proto port |
| 07:28.45 | Jazon | the shoerwall rules file? |
| 07:28.57 | sep | Jazon, that was for blocky |
| 07:29.01 | Jazon | heh - not my conv i guess lol |
| 07:29.03 | Jazon | ;) |
| 07:29.52 | sep | Jazon, what happen if you try /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start ? |
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| 07:30.49 | Jazon | Setting hostname to '(none)'...hostname: the specified hostname is invalid |
| 07:30.49 | Jazon | done. |
| 07:31.14 | sep | Jazon, check that you have valid data in /etc/hostname /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts, also check that you have a symlink from /etc/rcS.d/S40hostname.sh to /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 07:31.38 | sep | Jazon, cat /etc/hostname would be a good start |
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| 07:40.09 | Jazon | sep cat /etc/hostname gives nothing |
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| 07:40.46 | zimnyx | I'm trying to set up my WLAN connection using 128bit WEP keys. My /etc/network/interfaces is http://pastebin.ca/77455 . I got the same network working under Windows so key is 100% OK. Any ideas what can be wrong? Maybe its some kernel driver issue? btw "iwconfg eth1 scan" shows AP i want to connect, and quality is fine. |
| 07:41.43 | zimnyx | I found posts on web, written by guys who had problem with connecting to AP usigng 128bin WEP keys too. |
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| 07:45.39 | cubikdice | ó_Ò |
| 07:45.47 | Jazon | sep: is >>> 127.0.0.1 laptop.arkygeek.com localhost.localdomain localhost laptop <<< ok for /etc/hosts ??? |
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| 07:48.11 | k-man_ | how do i tell exim4 to listen on different interfaces in debian? |
| 07:49.07 | zaher | i'm having problem in debian 3.1r2 sarge after installing the ati driver, can anyone help? |
| 07:49.15 | zaher | my kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 07:49.32 | wols_ | !ask |
| 07:49.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:49.46 | Jazon | zaher: what ver of xorg? |
| 07:49.58 | zaher | i can run all the 3d applications but after a minute or 2 my pc hangs |
| 07:50.08 | zaher | xfree86 4.3.0 |
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| 07:50.37 | Jazon | zaher: do a sudo apt-get install infobash then in your irc client type /exec -o infobash -v3 |
| 07:50.55 | zaher | ok |
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| 07:54.20 | Jazon | sep: what is the rest of this stuff in my /etc/hosts ??? http://rafb.net/paste/results/5XFkXS47.html |
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| 08:02.50 | peterS | Jazon: I'm not too keen on overloading the 127.0.0.1 address to mean your box. I use a distinct 127.* address for that, like 127.0.1.1, assuming you don't have a static IP |
| 08:03.19 | peterS | Jazon: so '127.0.0.1 localhost' is the first line of my /etc/hosts file. I see no point in the localhost.localdomain alias either |
| 08:03.22 | Jazon | peterS: i use dhcp |
| 08:03.59 | peterS | anyway, other people do add a machine name alias to 127.0.0.1, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just not too comfortable with that |
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| 08:04.31 | clarity_ | is there a package that contains xorgconfig for debian? |
| 08:04.42 | peterS | clarity_: no, just do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 08:04.50 | peterS | well, there might be, but nobody uses it if so |
| 08:04.52 | sep | Jazon, the other stuff is for ipv6 localhost etc etc just leave it as it is |
| 08:05.20 | Jazon | peterS: ok, i changed it. i see what ou mean |
| 08:05.29 | rhalff_ | hi for some reason my keystrokes are duplicated in mc and any other ncurses based thing, like make menu_config, any clue why this is ? |
| 08:05.33 | clarity_ | peterS: for some reason it won't let me change the resolution in that |
| 08:05.35 | rhalff_ | it's kinda unworkable. |
| 08:05.42 | clarity_ | and... it doesn't write to xorg.conf anywhere |
| 08:05.49 | Jazon | ok, restarting x - brv |
| 08:05.50 | clarity_ | I don't understand how it works :- |
| 08:05.51 | Jazon | brb |
| 08:06.14 | sep | Jazon, i'd only use 1 FQDN on the hostsline, and just use the hostname part on 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:06.28 | wols_ | clarity_: have you edited your xorg.conf by hand? |
| 08:06.32 | kjoonlee | clarity_: have you looked under /etc/X11/? |
| 08:06.44 | clarity_ | yup |
| 08:06.50 | wols_ | !xorgmd5 |
| 08:06.50 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.confg.md5sum -" - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've mad |
| 08:07.06 | clarity_ | I did "find / -file "*xorg*conf*" |
| 08:07.26 | wols_ | no need to find it. it's always in /etc/X11 |
| 08:07.31 | kjoonlee | clarity_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 08:07.36 | clarity_ | not on this box |
| 08:07.48 | clarity_ | it doesn't exist on this box |
| 08:08.19 | peterS | !xorgmd5 =~ s#"md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.confg.md5sum -"#'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf/md5sum'# |
| 08:08.19 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
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| 08:08.38 | Jazon | Host/Kernel/OS "laptop.arkygeek.com" running Linux 2.6.16.16-kanotix-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2006 Easter ] |
| 08:08.38 | Jazon | CPU Info Intel Celeron M 1024 KB cache flags( nx ) clocked at [ 1396.818 MHz ] |
| 08:08.38 | Jazon | Videocard Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller X.Org 7.0.0 [ 1024x768 @60hz ] |
| 08:08.38 | Jazon | Network cards Atheros AR5005G 802.11abg NIC |
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| 08:08.57 | Jazon | sorry |
| 08:08.58 | kjoonlee | peterS: My copy of xorg.conf has "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" for instructions. Could that be added too? |
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| 08:09.07 | Jazon | didnt realize you dont like infobash here...... |
| 08:09.12 | kjoonlee | s/too/too, please// |
| 08:09.18 | peterS | Jazon: we don't like any type of flooding |
| 08:09.29 | wols_ | kjoonlee: debian != gentoo. there is no sudo by default |
| 08:09.39 | peterS | Jazon: flooding is defined as more than 2 lines of pasting or really fast typing. even 2 lines is almost frowned upon |
| 08:09.42 | wols_ | ooos. debian != ubuntu |
| 08:10.03 | kjoonlee | wols_: Then I guess default boilerplate in xorg.conf needs fixing. |
| 08:10.04 | wols_ | peterS: 4 lines. at least it was always 4 lines |
| 08:10.06 | Jazon | infobash is so useful though.... |
| 08:10.07 | peterS | kjoonlee: -phigh doesn't seem all that useful, if you want to reconfigure it you can live with a few extra questions |
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| 08:10.23 | peterS | wols_: no. 4 lines is where you get kicked. for 3 lines you still get yelled at. |
| 08:10.29 | Jazon | anyway, you can see i have a hostname now. |
| 08:10.50 | kjoonlee | peterS: then I guess xorg.conf *really* needs fixing |
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| 08:11.15 | Jazon | Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason. |
| 08:11.37 | Jazon | darn - am still getting that error. do i need to reboot? I thought the hostname thing was the problem.... |
| 08:12.15 | Jazon | i can go 127.0.0.1:631 that works.... but i get this error and can't print |
| 08:12.25 | farous | i get an error message tring to open a jpg file in nautilus. The error say the file content is jpeg while the ext. is jpg which might cause a security risk. how can i get rid of this annoying message as i have created all the images in the folder through openoffice or my digi cam |
| 08:12.26 | peterS | kjoonlee: for referring to /var/lib/xfree86/? probably. |
| 08:12.51 | peterS | Jazon: wtf is infobash? some way to paste lots of crap to an IRC channel? |
| 08:12.56 | MaliutaWrk | can anyone tell me which field dpkg rips out of a package to pass to the .postinst script? I seem to be getting some problems with my hand compiled packages not being passed the right package name (the do have a "Provides:" field) |
| 08:13.46 | Jazon | peterS: it is a handy script for posting useful system information... you can specify verbosity |
| 08:14.07 | clarity_ | okay got it |
| 08:14.08 | peterS | Jazon: yeah, so specify verbosity of 2 lines or less, preferably 1 line, and we'll like it just fine |
| 08:14.19 | clarity_ | for some reason dpkg-reconfigure wasn't writing config files |
| 08:14.32 | clarity_ | so it wasn't saving any of the changes |
| 08:14.34 | Jazon | http://rebelhomicide.demon.nl/ |
| 08:14.45 | clarity_ | and just went with scan on start |
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| 08:15.05 | clarity_ | I did a "Xorg -configure" and dumped the config |
| 08:15.09 | clarity_ | but the mouse wasn't setup right |
| 08:15.16 | clarity_ | so when I made changes it locked up the computer |
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| 08:15.18 | clarity_ | kinda weird... |
| 08:15.22 | clarity_ | but I got it fixed |
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| 08:15.46 | clarity_ | peasants = rejoycing |
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| 08:17.17 | bishu05 | hi all |
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| 08:18.13 | yassine | hi everyone |
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| 08:18.21 | clarity_ | howdy. |
| 08:20.28 | clarity_ | man the one thing that sucks about running etch/sid is shit is buggy |
| 08:21.06 | cast | well, that is what makes it etch/sid. |
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| 08:21.25 | clarity_ | eh, I kinda have to run it anyways |
| 08:21.54 | clarity_ | well I'm running sid kernel/xorg and some drivers |
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| 08:22.13 | clarity_ | I just put the sid feeds in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:22.22 | clarity_ | and apt-get update; apt-get install ... |
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| 08:22.32 | yassine | clarity_, are you unsatisfy with the etch ? |
| 08:22.46 | clarity_ | my hardware is really new |
| 08:22.49 | clarity_ | it's not supported |
| 08:23.11 | cast | clarity_: then just use sarge with a backports.org kernel maybe? |
| 08:23.30 | yassine | you mean changing this: deb ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/debian/ sarge main non-free |
| 08:23.34 | clarity_ | my eth card isn't supported until 2.6.15 |
| 08:23.37 | clarity_ | it's really odd |
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| 08:23.44 | clarity_ | I can't even install sarge on 2.6 |
| 08:23.44 | yassine | to : deb ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/debian/ etchmain non-free |
| 08:23.49 | cast | i need the essiv functionality which isn't in sarge but the backports.org kernel is great |
| 08:23.53 | clarity_ | so I had to install 2.4 then upgrade to 2.6.16 |
| 08:24.34 | cydork | clarity: as far as i know sarge can be installed on 2.6 |
| 08:24.41 | cydork | correct me if i am wrong. |
| 08:24.44 | clarity_ | not on my hardware |
| 08:24.45 | clarity_ | it can |
| 08:24.49 | clarity_ | but on mine it hangs |
| 08:24.56 | clarity_ | it'll hang on boot |
| 08:25.01 | streuner | clarity_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:25.13 | streuner | that doesn't sound like sarge anymore |
| 08:25.39 | cydork | clarity: Are you that none of the modules are getting stuck? |
| 08:25.39 | cast | cydork: aye. 2.6.8 is in sarge |
| 08:26.01 | cydork | clarity: I had similar problem with intel_snd module. |
| 08:26.01 | clarity_ | on 2.6.8 some of the modules hang |
| 08:26.09 | clarity_ | and I can't use cardbus... it's really odd |
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| 08:28.04 | clarity_ | so yeah it's mostly sarge |
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| 08:28.17 | clarity_ | I'm running sid's kernel and possibly etch xorg |
| 08:28.20 | clarity_ | not sure though |
| 08:28.48 | cast | lol. |
| 08:28.48 | clarity_ | hey... is it possible to have a custom resolution for vga= param? |
| 08:29.00 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 08:29.00 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 08:29.02 | farous | clarity_: was wondering why couldn't you just compile the kernel? |
| 08:29.13 | clarity_ | farous: I could |
| 08:29.22 | farous | sure |
| 08:29.23 | clarity_ | I'm too lazy to do the initrd though |
| 08:29.26 | clarity_ | that takes a while |
| 08:29.35 | farous | ok |
| 08:29.43 | clarity_ | at least I don't know of an easy way to do 'em? |
| 08:30.29 | cydork | clarity: i use make_kpkg |
| 08:30.54 | clarity_ | that'll make an initrd? |
| 08:31.13 | farous | clarity_: i used this line fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.01 kernel_image |
| 08:31.29 | farous | clarity_: makes the initrd auto for me |
| 08:31.39 | clarity_ | nice |
| 08:31.56 | cydork | clarity: yep that's the easiest way i can think of. |
| 08:32.12 | clarity_ | I always made them by hand |
| 08:32.41 | cydork | clarity: i am too lazy to do that. |
| 08:33.19 | farous | me too : |
| 08:35.02 | clarity_ | yeah... it BLOWS |
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| 08:35.09 | clarity_ | I had to do that when I was working with familiar |
| 08:35.23 | clarity_ | never did get everything working |
| 08:35.27 | clarity_ | familiar = ipaq linux |
| 08:35.36 | clarity_ | I was trying to get the / to be on an CF card |
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| 08:37.26 | wols_ | clarity_: initrd itself blows. if you compile your own kernel you don't need initrd at all |
| 08:37.53 | clarity_ | yeah |
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| 08:38.30 | clarity_ | this is really odd... I'm in X and try to switch to a console, and it crashes gdm |
| 08:38.36 | clarity_ | so it wont let me leave |
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| 08:39.19 | wols_ | what X driver? |
| 08:39.25 | clarity_ | fglrx |
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| 08:39.41 | clarity_ | do you think that's it? |
| 08:39.41 | wols_ | crappy driver. I got it with my old S3 savage |
| 08:39.43 | farous | clarity figures i am using the open source radeon here |
| 08:40.00 | farous | clarity_: and have 3-d accel |
| 08:41.34 | clarity_ | sweet |
| 08:41.40 | clarity_ | well X looks reallly pretty n ow |
| 08:41.43 | clarity_ | just can't get out of it |
| 08:42.18 | clarity_ | I'm going to upgrade gdm |
| 08:43.17 | clarity_ | crap... it's upgrading everything |
| 08:43.34 | farous | clarity type aptitude install gdm |
| 08:43.44 | farous | will upgrade only gdm and needed packages |
| 08:43.59 | clarity_ | yeah I did apt-get upgrade gdm |
| 08:44.17 | farous | clarity_: upgrade will upgrade everything here :) |
| 08:44.27 | clarity_ | yeah :-\\ |
| 08:44.45 | clarity_ | hopefully nothing breaks |
| 08:44.56 | clarity_ | I think this means I'm offically running sid |
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| 08:46.16 | cydork | clarity: i guess so :P |
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| 08:49.46 | clarity_ | fun! |
| 08:49.52 | Silent_al | !fun |
| 08:49.52 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 08:50.21 | cast | hmm. does there exist any debian related certs? could try for RHCE perhaps but i'd rather continue having never used redhat |
| 08:50.38 | quad3datwork2 | ok, found out why my HD is soooo slow. last 2 HDs on PCI IDE controller isn't correctly loaded or something... "ide2: Speed warnings UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional. |
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| 08:58.03 | Si_tech | I cannot play audio. I get "Device"/dev/dsp" does not exist" error I can see /dev/dsp exists. If I run alsaconf I can then play audio. But the audio is not working from startup. |
| 08:58.03 | quad3datwork2 | damn, had to call the head SA about work server ran out of space. 4am, he isn't goign to be happy -_- |
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| 08:59.12 | clarity_ | now I'm running sid |
| 08:59.42 | streuner | Si_tech: you need the sound emulation module (OSS) for ALSA |
| 09:00.00 | sep | clarity_, i suspecrt you run a mix.. perhaps if you'd do a dist-upgrade.. |
| 09:00.26 | clarity_ | sep: is dist-upgrade the same as upgrade? |
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| 09:00.58 | streuner | Si_tech: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss |
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| 09:01.28 | sep | clarity_, upgrade only upgrades installed packages, dist-upgrade can also upgrade packages that have dependencies on noninstalled packages, and pull in those |
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| 09:02.04 | Si_tech | streuner Ok I did lsmod | grep what am I looking at? |
| 09:02.15 | sep | clarity_, try aptitude -s dist-upgrade |
| 09:03.06 | streuner | Si_tech: is the module loaded or NOT? |
| 09:04.17 | floundering | I can run zgv in a console once ok, but it will not run again withoput a reboot :( |
| 09:04.17 | clarity_ | hrm yeah |
| 09:04.23 | clarity_ | I can't get out of xdm |
| 09:04.26 | clarity_ | without killing it |
| 09:04.28 | clarity_ | xdm or gdm |
| 09:04.30 | Si_tech | streuner, This is the output : "snd_pcm_oss 55912 0" |
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| 09:04.56 | streuner | Si_tech: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 09:05.26 | sep | clarity_, aren't there a menu actions->console-login ? or ctrl+alt+f[n] |
| 09:06.17 | clarity_ | yeah when I type "ctrl+alt+f[n]" it just brings me to another login screen |
| 09:07.16 | Si_tech | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686-smp (horms@tabatha.lab.utramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Tue Aug 16 12:08:30 UTC 2005 |
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| 09:08.35 | streuner | Si_tech: ok, visit backports.org and read intructions, install a 2.6.15 or 2.6.16 kernel |
| 09:09.05 | streuner | Si_tech: if you running sarge/stable |
| 09:09.09 | tarzeau | streuner: seen this? http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-June/047380.html |
| 09:09.28 | Si_tech | streuner thankyou |
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| 09:13.43 | yang | does someone know how can screen be used by two persons at the same time, so that both see inside? |
| 09:13.55 | blondie | yang: screen -x |
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| 09:13.57 | tarzeau | yang: yes, #screen |
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| 09:17.30 | zaher | apt-get cant find infobash |
| 09:20.15 | my007ms | how can i make add othere lang to my keyborad without |
| 09:20.21 | my007ms | use GUI |
| 09:20.32 | my007ms | i need make this from command line |
| 09:20.33 | my007ms | > |
| 09:20.47 | Eulex | zaher, correct, there's no package with such a name in debian |
| 09:22.58 | zaher | ya but somebody told me 2 install that when i asked 4 my problem |
| 09:23.05 | zaher | here |
| 09:23.53 | zaher | after installing ati driver i'm having some problems |
| 09:24.22 | zaher | all the 3d programs i run crashes after a minute or two |
| 09:24.46 | Eulex | zaher, fglrx? |
| 09:25.08 | zaher | im using debian 3.1r2 sarge, 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel and xfree86 version 4.3.0 |
| 09:25.28 | zaher | ya, fglrx |
| 09:25.58 | zaher | when i run blender, it crashes after some time, and my pc hangs |
| 09:26.24 | zaher | i also experience image distortion all the time |
| 09:27.00 | zaher | same happens when i try 2 run unreal tournament demo 2003 |
| 09:27.45 | Eulex | zaher, if you're using AGPFastWrite, to turning it off. |
| 09:28.10 | superlinux | zaher, are you an arab? |
| 09:28.31 | my007ms | sure the name say that |
| 09:28.45 | superlinux | yea tru |
| 09:28.45 | zaher | nope |
| 09:28.51 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:29.25 | superlinux | zaa-hir in arabic means florishing |
| 09:29.36 | zaher | im just a newbie! how can i shutdown AGPFastWrite? |
| 09:29.43 | superlinux | or very flowring |
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| 09:30.01 | superlinux | who knows what is that for? |
| 09:30.11 | my007ms | zaher, from LEBANON |
| 09:30.36 | superlinux | my007ms, great.. we understood |
| 09:32.10 | zaher | how can i shutdown AGPFastWrite? |
| 09:32.13 | Eulex | zaher, check /usr/X11/XF86Config-4. or, could you pastebin that file? |
| 09:33.48 | superlinux | yes |
| 09:33.56 | superlinux | zaher, just open the file |
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| 09:34.01 | superlinux | there is that option |
| 09:34.14 | superlinux | just set it FALSE or OFF |
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| 09:34.50 | deufo | hi can someone help me get my soundcard (audigy 2 nx) working on debian? |
| 09:35.42 | streuner | deufo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:36.17 | cast | what do you guys think for this very small [100Mhz] server running svnserve/thttpd. should i have a seperate partition for /var? |
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| 09:36.54 | cast | [got only 2880mb of space] |
| 09:37.25 | deufo | streuner, it says ii libc6 2.3.2.dsl-22sa GNU C Library: Shared Libraries and Timezone |
| 09:37.30 | wols_ | depends how much you want to store in your svn |
| 09:37.48 | streuner | deufo: ok, what does cat /proc/version say? |
| 09:38.46 | cast | i once heard someone, with alot of conviction, argue for /var on a seperate drive to avoid a attacker deliberately filling up / with log spam |
| 09:39.07 | wols_ | yes that's true |
| 09:39.24 | wols_ | syslog DOS |
| 09:39.58 | zaher | how can i paste large amount of data here? i can get kicked |
| 09:40.02 | deufo | streuner, Linux version 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 09:40.17 | streuner | deufo: did you try ALSA? |
| 09:40.23 | cast | zaher: use http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 09:41.06 | deufo | streuner, i got alsa-base but then alsoconf doesn't detect the card |
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| 09:41.18 | zaher | ok, thanks |
| 09:41.29 | streuner | deufo: why alsa-base? |
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| 09:41.55 | deufo | streuner, which ones am i supposed to get? |
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| 09:42.07 | vick | is there no net-install for etch ? |
| 09:42.24 | streuner | deufo: visit alsa.org and look which version supports your soundcard |
| 09:43.29 | vick | Hello ? |
| 09:43.40 | deufo | streuner, but i thought alsa is compiled into the kernel already |
| 09:43.47 | cast | i'm a bit worried about how much space LaTeX is going to suck up, heh :\ |
| 09:44.02 | streuner | deufo: infos what version the kernel itself using is available vai cat /proc/asound/version |
| 09:44.12 | streuner | s/vai/via/ |
| 09:44.24 | superlinux | xored, are you there? |
| 09:44.38 | deufo | streuner, i dun have a /proc/asound :( |
| 09:45.10 | vick | no netinstall for debian unstable ? :( |
| 09:45.24 | streuner | deufo: ok, install a kernel of backports.org, maybe your soundcard is supported then. |
| 09:45.35 | vick | streuner: Hello. |
| 09:45.51 | vick | streuner: would you know where do i get netinstall .iso for debian unstable please ? |
| 09:45.52 | streuner | vick: no |
| 09:46.04 | streuner | vick: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:46.09 | vick | whats sid ? |
| 09:46.20 | streuner | !sid |
| 09:46.21 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:46.53 | vick | !etch |
| 09:46.53 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 09:48.19 | meppl | guten morgen |
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| 09:50.03 | vick | Who uses etch here ? |
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| 09:50.26 | meppl | me |
| 09:50.36 | meppl | good morning vick |
| 09:50.47 | fourat | apt-get is still locked, and i have no apt process running |
| 09:50.50 | vick | meppl: Good morning :D |
| 09:50.59 | vick | meppl: Why do you use etch and not sarge or sid ? |
| 09:51.01 | wols_ | fourat: are you root? |
| 09:51.07 | fourat | yes |
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| 09:51.22 | my007ms | how can i add othere LANG to my debian system |
| 09:51.38 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:52.00 | vick | meppl: Are you there ? |
| 09:52.04 | meppl | vick, because i accept to repair sometimes destroyed things |
| 09:52.29 | vick | The thing is, i want new software |
| 09:52.32 | deufo | streuner, which kernel do i install from backports.org |
| 09:52.43 | vick | and i hear debian stable has some old software, not bleeding edge i mean |
| 09:52.47 | vick | so i am confused what to go with |
| 09:52.50 | streuner | deufo: the lastest available kernel there? |
| 09:53.06 | sky0 | deufo: have you seen these http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~dtay/linuxLaptop.shtml & http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=2375 |
| 09:53.09 | meppl | vick, etch is topical enough |
| 09:53.22 | vick | whats topical ? |
| 09:53.25 | fourat | any helpers ? |
| 09:53.37 | wols_ | fourat: look for .lock files |
| 09:53.41 | meppl | burrent releases |
| 09:53.49 | vick | lol |
| 09:53.51 | vick | what do you mean? |
| 09:53.57 | vick | You mean new stuff ? |
| 09:54.14 | meppl | yo |
| 09:54.27 | meppl | its new enough |
| 09:54.29 | deufo | sky0, oops, thnx :D |
| 09:54.38 | sky0 | 2.6.8 should contain alsa? maybe: "modprobe snd-usb-audio" and then check for /proc/asound again? |
| 09:54.40 | vick | meppl: but sarge is not, right ? |
| 09:54.46 | deufo | streuner, thx |
| 09:55.12 | cydork | fourat: /var/lib/dpkg/lock this is the file which apt uses. |
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| 09:55.26 | meppl | vick, averaged i have to repair my x11 every year |
| 09:55.31 | meppl | for example |
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| 09:56.09 | vick | meppl: because you use etch ? |
| 09:56.54 | meppl | vick, if you need very new software, then "stable" is rarely your decision |
| 09:56.57 | zaher | hello |
| 09:57.46 | meppl | vick, my servers always run debian stable - sarge momentaneous |
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| 09:57.58 | meppl | good morning zaher |
| 09:58.34 | meppl | my desktop-system runs etch/testing - but i dont really need that you software |
| 09:58.49 | meppl | just for fun |
| 09:59.00 | meppl | s/you/new/ |
| 09:59.10 | zaher | if i need to shut "AGPFastWrite" off, will adding the line [Option "AGPFastWrite" "off"] in /etc/X11/XF86Config4 do the work? |
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| 09:59.43 | wols_ | needs to be in the section for the videocard |
| 10:00.03 | bishu05 | sarge r2 support SATA drivers? |
| 10:00.05 | vick | meppl: thanks a lot :D |
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| 10:00.24 | wols_ | and there are about a gazillion places where it's explained if you google it |
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| 10:00.51 | wols_ | depends on your sata controller. |
| 10:01.19 | bishu05 | mine is Uli sata drivers |
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| 10:01.33 | deufo | thx all my sound card works now :D |
| 10:01.57 | fourat | when running apt-get upgrade, it says that there's some packages are kept and will not be upgraded, why ? |
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| 10:03.19 | tarzeau | nobody's got a backport of libsane? (no backports.org doesn't) |
| 10:03.46 | tarzeau | when will etch be released? i need a later libsane, later X, later linux kernel and later gcc (4!)! |
| 10:04.14 | tarzeau | think these reasons are enough to move the release date backwards |
| 10:04.16 | blondie | tarzeau: when it's ready |
| 10:04.27 | blondie | backwards? I think you mean forward |
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| 10:05.01 | tarzeau | blondie: august 2006 would be nice |
| 10:05.23 | blondie | tarzeau: haha |
| 10:05.30 | blondie | maybe august 2007? :) |
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| 10:10.48 | rhys | anyone know anything about TFTP and PXE booting? |
| 10:10.59 | twb | I'm apt-get upgrading packages within a chroot, and on upgrading cupsys, the postinst script calls invoke-rc.d and fails, causing the whole apt-get to error out. Is there a way to- oh nm, I just thought of a workaround. |
| 10:11.08 | twb | rhys: yeah, I know a little. |
| 10:11.17 | rhys | ive got the DHCP part right. now its just telling me it cant find the tftp file |
| 10:11.33 | twb | rhys: in /tftpboot? |
| 10:11.39 | rhys | filename "/var/tftpboot/pxelinux.0"; |
| 10:11.41 | rhys | thats the name |
| 10:11.47 | twb | It should tell you what files it's looking for- right. |
| 10:11.50 | rhys | and i have the debian netboot package in it |
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| 10:12.22 | rhys | yea...i dunno. maybe something to do with chmod? |
| 10:12.29 | twb | And the client's PXE rom says that it can't find that file? |
| 10:12.40 | rhys | yep. TFTP error, file not found |
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| 10:12.48 | twb | Is the tftp service running on the server? Did you restart the service after putting that file there? |
| 10:12.49 | rhys | the debian package puts it in as a symlink |
| 10:12.59 | twb | Hmm, I'm not sure if symlinks work. |
| 10:13.00 | rhys | thought i did. |
| 10:13.02 | rhys | hmmdedum |
| 10:13.10 | rhys | yea i know. but debian uses them for their net boot package |
| 10:13.12 | twb | To be honest with you, I was working with FC on the server end (not my decision!) |
| 10:13.30 | rhys | heh. this server is Ipcop |
| 10:13.31 | rhys | :D |
| 10:13.44 | rhys | TFTP-hpa installed as a mod |
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| 10:14.24 | twb | Perhaps one of the firewalls is blocking it? |
| 10:14.41 | RobHu | This morning I came in to find a RAID 1 array resyncing. I then configured mdadm with dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and set it to send my colleague emails. It is running with " /sbin/mdadm -F -i /var/run/mdadm.pid -m chris.scott@ahc.uk.com -f -s". The problem is that it isn't sending any emails... I thought it might be waiting for an event but when the rebuild got to 60% it didn't do anything. Any ideas? |
| 10:14.45 | rhys | shouldnt be. because TFTP is returning an error. so it must be finding it |
| 10:14.52 | rhys | plus, on the green interface there is no blocks |
| 10:14.55 | marc | i am trying to automatically use a preseed.cfg by remastering a debian install disk, I dont understand how to add preseed.cfg to the initrd root, can someone explain, thanks... |
| 10:15.31 | twb | marc: you don't need to remaster -- you can provide a URL for it to wget the preseed file from. |
| 10:15.54 | rhys | twb, what ill do is restart the server, then try that. i have to reboot this machine each time. for the hell of it i will make another user, give it ownership over the /var/tftpboot |
| 10:16.15 | twb | ...as a kernel boot parameter (/proc/cmdline). |
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| 10:17.52 | marc | twb: the project iam working on is for africa and net access isnt available on all the computers we want to install on, any pointers? |
| 10:18.17 | twb | marc: ok, then you might have to remaster. |
| 10:18.50 | twb | Unless you have *internal* net access, and can just run a http service on one of the local machines. |
| 10:19.03 | twb | Did that sentence make sense? |
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| 10:21.27 | marc | twb: i got it working fine via preseed/url but now i need to figure out how to get it on the install disk |
| 10:21.27 | marc | twb: yes it does, i think i would rather remaster - just cant figure out where to put the preseed.cfg to automatically have it picked up on by the installer. docs say to add it to the initrd root but i dont understand how to do that |
| 10:21.38 | twb | OK. |
| 10:22.07 | twb | What you need to do, I think, is provide default kernel params. |
| 10:22.37 | twb | For syslinux/isolinux disks, you edit /boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg. I don't know if that applies to Debian disks. |
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| 10:22.54 | marc | twb: that sounds like a good fix, i'll look into it... but no ideas on how to add something to the initrd root ? |
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| 10:23.13 | twb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.38 | marc | twb: ok thanks for your help i will try the sysconfig hack |
| 10:24.58 | twb | To edit the initrd you probably have to mount it (it'll be a (compressed) filesystem), then copy the files to an editable disk, modify them, then make a new (compressed) filesystem. |
| 10:26.32 | RvGaTe | How do i send something over the m$ netsend using debian... (console only) |
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| 10:27.34 | wols_ | smbclient should be able to do it |
| 10:27.36 | Jazon | hi. those hostname/hosts changes i did prevent my system from starting up... |
| 10:27.48 | Jazon | i get the following as KDE tries to load |
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| 10:29.00 | RvGaTe | wols_, doy ou know how? |
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| 10:29.13 | wols_ | the manpage of smbclient does |
| 10:29.51 | twb | This has got to be about the quietest I've ever seen #debian. |
| 10:30.29 | RvGaTe | twb, not really :P |
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| 10:33.09 | xored | superlinux: yes iam |
| 10:35.00 | superlinux | hey |
| 10:35.05 | superlinux | how are u? |
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| 10:35.15 | superlinux | did you know how to use TCNG? |
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| 10:35.51 | zaher | setting AGPFastWrite "off" doesn't help |
| 10:36.02 | superlinux | xored, d you know how to use TCNG? |
| 10:36.39 | zaher | some help with ati fglrx driver |
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| 10:37.13 | superlinux | I hated ati! |
| 10:37.50 | zaher | why? |
| 10:38.08 | superlinux | I had a board that is all ATI |
| 10:38.23 | superlinux | and I had to recompile or so the drivers |
| 10:38.23 | zaher | then |
| 10:38.38 | zaher | i did too |
| 10:38.42 | superlinux | I like things that are built within the kernel |
| 10:38.59 | superlinux | so I got nvidia gforce |
| 10:39.10 | superlinux | I just compiled simple stuff |
| 10:39.18 | mwe | I guess ati hasen't hired a decent linux coder yet |
| 10:39.40 | zaher | i've used nvidia 2, and i must say their linux driver are better |
| 10:39.45 | superlinux | and that board's IDE was not even supported unless you get the drivers and linux istallation is too damn slow |
| 10:39.52 | wols_ | superlinux: so you installed nvidia drivers. on debian. without compiling? |
| 10:39.57 | superlinux | no |
| 10:40.03 | superlinux | I had to compile them |
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| 10:40.18 | superlinux | but you can work on the "nv" |
| 10:40.21 | superlinux | ..driver |
| 10:40.34 | wols_ | you can use ati or radeon |
| 10:40.50 | zaher | now can anyone please help me with my fglrx problem? |
| 10:40.53 | Eulex | you could even get 3d accel with the xorg ati driver if you're lucky |
| 10:40.56 | superlinux | wols_, the mboard number was DG101GC I think |
| 10:41.42 | zaher | does sarge come with xorg driver? |
| 10:41.55 | zaher | the dafault is Xfree86 |
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| 10:42.07 | superlinux | intel board. |
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| 10:42.52 | wols_ | what has an intel board to do with videocards again? |
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| 10:45.58 | zaher | you mean 2 say that i can get 3d acceleration with xorg driver in my ati card> |
| 10:46.01 | zaher | ? |
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| 10:49.55 | xored | superlinux: i just tested some things yesterday, why you asking. It didnt worked for me, not yet |
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| 10:51.06 | marc | twb: thanks for the info on initrd i will try that also |
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| 10:53.03 | Johnny_5 | ok i got a weird prob....i tried to hook up a wireless network in my room, but still have my comp on the land line. the wireless part worked out great, but i couldn't get my comp online. it did go online for a little bit but not for very long and was offline again.. |
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| 10:53.14 | Johnny_5 | what could my prob be? |
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| 10:56.18 | Johnny_5 | right now i'm hooked dir into the cable modem |
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| 10:58.17 | ktwilight | Johnny_5, router configuration went bust? |
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| 10:58.41 | Johnny_5 | not sure |
| 10:59.03 | Johnny_5 | everyone that had wireless had internet |
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| 11:00.11 | LinuxHelp | I have a RAID 0 (ICH5 fakeraid), how would I go about "joining" my two harddisks? |
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| 11:00.46 | LinuxHelp | The raid 0 was created under windows, and I need to read it under Debian testing |
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| 11:01.28 | fireba11 | LinuxHelp: that's not gonna be easy |
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| 11:01.49 | LinuxHelp | fireba11, yes, but where do I start? :) |
| 11:02.27 | wols_ | only way I can think of is the intel RAID drivers for ICH5 if they exist |
| 11:02.34 | wols_ | if not: tough luck. install windows |
| 11:02.51 | fireba11 | LinuxHelp wols_ yes .. software raid won't be compatible |
| 11:03.15 | LinuxHelp | I heard something about dmraid, would that work? |
| 11:03.50 | wols_ | most probably nothing will work |
| 11:04.11 | wols_ | RAID with software support is almost never compatible with anything else |
| 11:04.44 | wols_ | look if Intel gives out RAID drivers for their ICH5. or if linux has special RAID drivers for it |
| 11:04.54 | LinuxHelp | I think linux does... |
| 11:05.09 | LinuxHelp | I just dont know exactly how to use them |
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| 11:06.42 | wols_ | have you googled? |
| 11:06.50 | wols_ | looked into kernel docs? |
| 11:07.08 | wols_ | read the RAID howto? |
| 11:07.34 | fony_vaio | I recently upgraded my kernel from 2.6.17-1 to 2.6.17-3. I used in-kernel ALSA config on both, and whilst it worked fine before, it now outputs no sound. The device is found during boot time and seems to be initialised correctly (ie. I can select it in XMMS, mixer works properly, etc), but absolutely no sound. Device is hda-intel (sigmatel chipset), any ideas? |
| 11:07.38 | LinuxHelp | I have googled, but it was pretty confusing, all I could pick up was that my ICH5 was supported |
| 11:07.40 | fony_vaio | from dmesg: ALSA device list: #0: HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 217 |
| 11:08.46 | LinuxHelp | I'll try ##linux |
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| 11:13.22 | zaher | hello |
| 11:14.29 | cast | now whats the name of the debian pkg with gcc/make and all that jazz in it? |
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| 11:14.59 | mwe | build-essential |
| 11:15.10 | cast | excellent |
| 11:15.10 | trym|work | which kernel should I use for Xeon ? |
| 11:15.23 | mwe | just the standard i686 one |
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| 11:15.32 | sforzando | Hi, I can't seem to get vga16fb not to load at startup. I'm using 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 and I've tried renaming the module's .ko to .ko.bak, I've tried chmod 000 |
| 11:15.41 | sforzando | 'ing it. I can't seem to stop it from being loaded |
| 11:15.43 | zaher | sorry that i'm asking this again and again but i really need some help with ati fglrx driver. my pc keeps crashing! |
| 11:15.50 | sforzando | (and I don't like the idea of deleting the module file) |
| 11:15.52 | trym|work | mwe: then what to do with the 4GB of ram? |
| 11:16.14 | mwe | trym|work: I believe it supports highmem |
| 11:16.36 | sforzando | I'm trying to load matroxfb* but obviously need vga16fb to go away and die first. (I'm using etch) |
| 11:16.39 | sforzando | any ideas? |
| 11:16.55 | wols_ | zaher: how could we know why it crashes? |
| 11:17.01 | mwe | sforzando: blacklist it |
| 11:17.05 | wols_ | on a prprietary peice of software? |
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| 11:18.16 | mwe | sforzando: make sure it's not in /etc/modules and make a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that contains 'blacklist matroxfb' or whatever the module name is |
| 11:18.55 | sforzando | mwe: thanks, was just looking it up, but hadn't found out yet. cheers! :) |
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| 11:19.44 | zaher | i installed the ati fglrx driver from ati |
| 11:19.48 | sforzando | back in a few! |
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| 11:20.30 | trym|work | mwe: so I would need to recompile the kernel ? |
| 11:20.45 | zaher | when i start any 3d program, it runs fine, but after 3-5 minutes of running the program as well as my pc crashes |
| 11:20.55 | Johnny_5 | i just installed a dvd burner...is there anything else i need to do before i can use it? |
| 11:21.01 | mwe | trym|work: why? I think the default kernel supports highmem |
| 11:21.27 | Aim_Here | zaher, We can't know the answer to that because ATI hoards it's source code. Try asking them for help |
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| 11:22.11 | Aim_Here | Johnny_5, insert a blank DVD rom in the drive? |
| 11:22.20 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 11:22.35 | zaher | is there a work around for that? |
| 11:23.07 | zaher | is there other driver apart from ati which can enable 3d acceleration? |
| 11:23.12 | mwe | no |
| 11:23.32 | mwe | ati is not seriuos about linux support |
| 11:23.45 | wols_ | thereis ati, radeon and fglrx. take your pick |
| 11:23.47 | zaher | hmm |
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| 11:24.12 | mwe | I think only fglrx provides hw acceleration |
| 11:24.37 | zaher | i heard that xorg can enable opengl 3d acceleration, is that true? |
| 11:25.10 | RobHu__ | This morning I came in to find a RAID 1 array resyncing. I then configured mdadm with dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and set it to send my colleague emails. It is running with " /sbin/mdadm -F -i /var/run/mdadm.pid -m chris.scott@ahc.uk.com -f -s". The problem is that it isn't sending any emails... I thought it might be waiting for an event but when the rebuild got to 60% it didn't do anything. Any ideas? |
| 11:25.14 | sky0 | zaher: depends on what card you have; anything <= 9200 is well supported; I don't know about the state of the r300 chipset (or later models) |
| 11:25.21 | zaher | forgive me if i'm asking silly questions, i'm just a newbie! |
| 11:25.50 | zaher | i need opengl acceleration 4 my 9550 agp |
| 11:25.55 | mwe | zaher: provided the driver for the card provides 3d accel |
| 11:26.05 | vick | what's the name of that shell graphical interface to the packaging system ? |
| 11:26.21 | wols_ | synaptic |
| 11:26.21 | mwe | vick: aptitude? |
| 11:27.56 | wols_ | zaher: are you sure the card is not overheating? |
| 11:28.07 | zaher | i installed the driver from the ati site in my debian 3.1r2, kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 11:28.09 | wols_ | is it a dual boot system? |
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| 11:28.29 | zaher | there was no error during the installation process |
| 11:29.02 | zaher | i also configured the XF86Config file with aticonfig |
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| 11:29.57 | zaher | now i can play unreal tournament but only for several minutes before the pc hangs |
| 11:29.58 | zaher | ! |
| 11:29.59 | k31th | hum if i have a user chrooted into his home dir and i put a sym link to another dir in there i presume it wont work ? |
| 11:30.05 | k31th | ftp this is. |
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| 11:31.15 | fourat | how to know with apt source is providing a packet found when searching with apt-cache ? |
| 11:31.31 | wols_ | apt-cache policy |
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| 11:32.27 | sky0 | zaher: I can't help you with the fglrx driver either; it kept crashing for me as well so I switched to the free driver. I guess a 9550 is r300 based, http://r300.sourceforge.net/R300.php lists it as working but if you google for: "radeon r300 dri" you will notice it is not an easy task (many people have problems with it) |
| 11:33.11 | sep | k31th, i'd expect that be a ftpd config issue, if it will follow symlinks or not. if it doesn't and you must have that functionality you can checkout man mount, and read about the -bind argument |
| 11:33.46 | zaher | ok |
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| 11:33.56 | Eulex | sky0, 9550 should work quite well with the r300 driver. |
| 11:34.19 | zaher | so where can i find the free driver, any specific url u have? |
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| 11:34.55 | fourat | anyone can help me with this CUPS problem : i have a printer installed on the server (CUPSd), i have my laptop running debian sarge, want to use that printer, is there any way to link my CUPSd to the server's CUPSd and use that printer ? |
| 11:35.46 | jotham | hi, my system seems to keep randomly falling over, the kernel reports these messages before it dies: http://rafb.net/paste/results/37r9Ae12.txt where 'mommy' is the host name. anyone have any ideas wtf is going on |
| 11:35.57 | Eulex | zaher, you'll need Xorg 6.9 or 7.0 (maaybe 6.8.2 will work too, but I doubt it) and a recent mesa and probably recent kernel (at least recent kernel module) |
| 11:36.11 | k31th | sep: thanks |
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| 11:36.36 | jotham | this machine has worked perfectly for months |
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| 11:36.58 | sky0 | zaher: you probably already have all the drivers installed (the come with X11, even before you installed fglrx); the problem is now that fglrx overwrote a few files in your system? Is fglrx installed as a package or downloaded from ati (which I think simply overwrites files... that you now have to restore) |
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| 11:37.31 | trym|work | it seems the stable installation cd when using kernel 2.6, does not support megaraid2 ? |
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| 11:37.36 | trym|work | how can I get around this? |
| 11:37.42 | zaher | i made some deb packages from the .run file |
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| 11:37.47 | zaher | then installed them |
| 11:38.07 | scx | Hey there: could you reccomend me a backup tool for my HD,you know, like dd, but without all those 0's |
| 11:38.10 | zaher | built the kernel module and installed it |
| 11:38.15 | zaher | that's all i did |
| 11:38.24 | sep | trym|work, you can, try to load the module manually, do one of the other installation methods, or install using the unofficial 2.6.15 installer |
| 11:38.32 | scx | I once used a tool in ncurser I liked, but I forgot the name, so,... |
| 11:38.36 | scx | suggestions?> |
| 11:38.52 | trym|work | sep: You mean installing 2.4? |
| 11:38.53 | sep | scx, partimage, will only save the space on yoru hd that's in use |
| 11:38.54 | scx | err: ncurser=ncurses |
| 11:39.05 | sep | trym|work, not realy no |
| 11:39.15 | fourat | anyone can help me with this CUPS problem : i have a printer installed on the server (CUPSd), i have my laptop running debian sarge, want to use that printer, is there any way to link my CUPSd to the server's CUPSd and use that printer ? |
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| 11:39.29 | sep | fourat, yes. |
| 11:39.34 | scx | sep: holy be! |
| 11:39.42 | trym|work | sep: I tried loading megaraid2 but it did not seem to exist |
| 11:39.42 | fireba11 | jotham how often does that happen ? |
| 11:39.44 | scx | sep: I meant that one preciselly |
| 11:39.59 | jotham | fireba11: seems to happena fter 12 hours or so on average, i suspect the ethernet card has died |
| 11:40.10 | sep | trym|work, then you must, use one of the other install methods or use the unofficial 2.6.15 installer |
| 11:40.11 | scx | sep: I forgot it's name man! - anyway,... let's do it! :D |
| 11:40.21 | Eulex | sky0, no, dri for r300 requires at least Xorg; he has xfree86. |
| 11:40.27 | zaher | if i want 2 use xorg i need 2 compile them right? |
| 11:40.28 | trym|work | sep: where can I get the unofficial installer ? |
| 11:40.30 | sep | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 11:40.30 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.15 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 11:40.40 | fourat | sep, yes ? |
| 11:40.41 | wols_ | !sarge xorg |
| 11:40.42 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 11:40.46 | trym|work | sep: thanks a heap :) |
| 11:41.06 | sep | trym|work, keep in mind, the kernel is newer, the hardware detection not. you may still have to load the modula manually |
| 11:41.10 | Eulex | zaher, if you don't care about 3d acceleration, just use the x11 ati driver. run the following command and select it: |
| 11:41.13 | Eulex | !drxx zaher |
| 11:41.14 | dpkg | zaher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:41.38 | kristalino | wich packages installs ab ? (apt-file search won't fit for this term) |
| 11:42.01 | sep | fourat, yes cups was made for network printing... or did you want me to read the cups doc for you ? i dont have the time for it im afraid, and i dont remeber it in my head, but it was rather simple. |
| 11:42.08 | zaher | i'm a frequent user of blender, so i need opengl |
| 11:42.10 | Eulex | kristalino, ab is a command? try apt-file search bin/ab |
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| 11:42.32 | kristalino | Eulex, ok. |
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| 11:42.35 | fireba11 | jotham try powering of your router/switch and ethernet card ... for the ethernet card either unplug it form the box or pull the power cable on the box for a few minutes .. just turning off teh box won't be enough |
| 11:42.37 | marc | ive added some files to the debian netinst iso, and now it say non-debian cd detected when i try to install, is there a way of skipping this detection or making my cds into recognised debian cds?, thank |
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| 11:42.46 | fireba11 | jotham: see if that helps :-) |
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| 11:43.15 | jotham | ok |
| 11:43.15 | trym|work | sep: Well that I can do ;) |
| 11:43.25 | Eulex | zaher, ok, well, to get 3d acceleration you'll need what I told you above. will be hard to get it on sarge without lots of back-ports, though. |
| 11:43.37 | fourat | wich apt source can provide this package : kernel-kbuild for kernel 2.6.8-3 |
| 11:44.41 | sep | fourat, think it was something liek ServerName hostname in the clietn.conf of cups |
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| 11:44.46 | zaher | xorg isnt included in the sarge distro, right? |
| 11:44.53 | sep | i found it in the cups docs that time |
| 11:44.56 | Eulex | zaher, correct |
| 11:45.52 | zaher | but is that included in http://backports.org |
| 11:45.53 | zaher | ? |
| 11:45.54 | marc | does anyone know what the installer looks for on a debian cd, i get Non-Debian CDROM detected when i try to remaster? |
| 11:45.59 | zaher | will i find it there? |
| 11:46.02 | sep | fourat, and ofcouse give it access tru the allow/deny whatevers |
| 11:46.08 | sky0 | zaher: I may be flamed of channel for this: maybe you should download something like a ubuntu live-cd (anything with a modern 2.6 kernel and xorg) and try if the card is supported with that; trying to upgrade your current box to use newer xorg will be quite hard; and if it fails you probably mess your system up to the level of requiring a fresh install. |
| 11:46.18 | LinuxHelp | oh my, I just typed "apt-get install dmraid" and it automagically set up my entire raid: thanks debian! :D |
| 11:46.46 | ktwilight | !tell zaher about xorg sarge |
| 11:46.58 | sep | marc, i guess it looks for a debian repository, in what way do you remaster ? |
| 11:47.22 | zaher | i'm afraid i cant do that, cant install ubuntu now! |
| 11:47.41 | marc | sep:i did a very simple iso just to add a preseed file to initrd, didnt change anything else on the iso |
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| 11:48.20 | incorrect | has anyone got vnc4server working on an amd64? |
| 11:48.26 | sep | marc, well to keeps things realy simple i'd use a preseed file on floppy/http or ftp, or just put the preseed in the root of the cdinstead of in the initrd, |
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| 11:49.01 | sep | and if you modify or add a file you must update the cd's md5sums file, |
| 11:49.25 | marc | sep: i will try it in the root of the cd perhaps that will work, is preseed/file=/cdrom/preseed.cfg correct? also what do i run to update the md5s, any pointers or should i just google? |
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| 11:50.00 | cr3 | how can I determine the kernel arguments that were passed by grub, assuming they were changed from the configuration in menu.lst? |
| 11:50.00 | marc | sep: would the md5 make the installer fail? |
| 11:50.10 | sep | md5sum `find -follow -type f` > md5sum.txt |
| 11:50.34 | sep | marc, i suspect it didnt like the new initrd with wrong md5sum, |
| 11:50.43 | fourat | wich apt source can provide this package : kernel-kbuild for kernel 2.6.8-3 |
| 11:50.43 | sep | add it to the root, let the initrd be as it is |
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| 11:52.24 | golly | what are the implications of installing a RHat or SuSE driver for a sata card I just bought (ie.the only drivers I can find) |
| 11:53.09 | marc | sep: md5sum gives me errors - |
| 11:53.09 | marc | find: Symbolic link `./debian' is part of a loop in the directory hierarchy; we have already visited the directory to which it points. |
| 11:53.10 | marc | bash: md5sum.txt: Permission denied |
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| 11:53.31 | marc | (sorry guys for the pseudo flood) |
| 11:53.54 | sep | marc, the first you can ignore, and you should be able to fix permission problems on your own :) |
| 11:54.06 | marc | :-) sorry, newbie |
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| 11:55.09 | sep | marc, ls -l /cdrom/md5sums.txt |
| 11:55.15 | sep | -s |
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| 11:55.33 | marc | sep: i just deleted md5sums and it worked - i will try making the iso, thanks for your help |
| 11:56.18 | k-man | whats a good tool for ripping cds? |
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| 11:56.55 | sep | fourat,this is the wrong version ? since there is none newer on security.debian.org i'd expect this to work http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fk%2Fkernel-kbuild-2.6-3%2Fkernel-kbuild-2.6-3_2.6.8-2_i386.deb&md5sum=322ddf6a4a43cb6515a8811f4e6a460d&arch=i386&type=main |
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| 11:59.54 | fourat | sep, thank you ! |
| 12:00.01 | xored | i get this in my exim4 log, cause some people cannot mail to me : 2006-07-03 13:47:16 1FwnnY-0001uy-KC == dj_shadowman@party-nightcrew.de <XXXXXXX@XXXXXXX.XX> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (111): Connection refused |
| 12:00.23 | xored | what does that mean ? that domain is on the blacklist ? |
| 12:00.26 | Johnny_5 | i put a blank dvdrw in my new dvd burner, but still nothing....i tried to burn something on it, but the burner couldn't be detected.... |
| 12:00.56 | Johnny_5 | is there something i have to do to get my comp to detect my new dvd burner? |
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| 12:03.21 | sep | xored, i think now, blacklists usualy show up with more verbose info atlest containing what blacklist stopped the email. |
| 12:03.30 | marc | sep: just tried putting the preseed.cfg in the root of the cd and doing the md5sums and i still get the error 'Non-Debian CDROM Detected' any ideas? |
| 12:03.40 | sep | xored, thatone is probably just what it say.. ie connection refused. |
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| 12:04.38 | wols_ | xored: have you set up a blacklist? |
| 12:05.51 | golly | can anyone amswer this? I just bought a SATA card which only has SUSE or RHat drivers...Which one (if any) should I try? |
| 12:05.58 | xored | wols_: not yet and this domain, should not be on the blacklist |
| 12:06.33 | xored | wols_: its justr strange. Some domains are just getting a connection refused. I mean i have a "tight" firewall, butt 111 is opended. Is it a wrapping problem or something ? |
| 12:06.55 | xored | wols_: before i got : 006-07-03 13:47:16 1FwnnY-0001uy-KC mail.XXXXXX.XX [XXX.XXX.XXX.XX]: Connection refused |
| 12:07.47 | sep | marc, how do you remaster ? i do something like rsync -v -a -H --exclude=TRANS.TBL /mounted/cd/ /tmp/cd ; chmod -R u+rw /tmp/cd. |
| 12:08.30 | marc | sep: i just mounted, copied and mkisofs, i guess i lost something on the way i will try with rsync |
| 12:09.00 | wols_ | port 111 is open? why oh wy? |
| 12:09.01 | sep | marc, then i twiddle around in /tmp/cd, and do something like ;rm md5sum.txt; md5sum `find -follow -type f` > md5sum.txt ; mkisofs -o /tmp/cd.iso -r \ |
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| 12:09.12 | wols_ | and I did ask you if you have a blacklist, nothing about ports. do you? |
| 12:09.21 | sep | opps forgot the newlines |
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| 12:10.13 | sep | marc, well you can copy too, as long as you exclude all the TRANS.TBL files |
| 12:10.15 | xored | why i got kicked, py pasing one line ? |
| 12:10.21 | xored | is that forbidden !? sorry. |
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| 12:10.39 | sep | you wan not kicked * xored (n=gasdasdf@i3ED6C577.versanet.de) has left #debian ("... und tschüß") |
| 12:10.41 | marc | sep: thanks i will try your way hopefully it will work, sorry for all the q's im new to all this |
| 12:10.45 | xored | wols_: ye, i nned to open it for email-"getting" or ? its the SMTP port. |
| 12:10.55 | wols_ | no it's not |
| 12:11.02 | xored | sep: i was kicked cause of "flloding" |
| 12:11.14 | wols_ | please read your /etc/services more carefully |
| 12:11.20 | Shadur | No, sep was floodkicked. You just left. |
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| 12:12.12 | xored | wols_: your fully right but now iam wondering, why i get this "connection refused" on port 111 ?on 111 is the portmapper, that means ? |
| 12:12.18 | trym|work | When I had to load the megaraid_mbox module manually during installation, how do I make the system load it automatically on startup (as it needs the megaraid_mbox module to find the root file system) |
| 12:12.36 | wols_ | that means you are not qualified in the slightest for setting up a firewall |
| 12:12.52 | wols_ | and how do you know it's coming in at port 111? |
| 12:13.11 | xored | wols_: no sorry, i just forgot about my configuration. 25 and 110 is opened, thats all |
| 12:13.34 | wols_ | you still haven't answered my question |
| 12:13.39 | xored | wols_: i just was irritaded by that incoming port. On second its in the logs |
| 12:13.54 | sep | trym|work, after you'v installed ? idealy it should be added to initrd autyomagicaly, to be sure you can add it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and do a dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-you-want-to-recrete-initrd-in |
| 12:14.22 | trym|work | sep: I havent tried booting it yet, since I thought I might need to do something to get it to work |
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| 12:14.29 | trym|work | should I guts it and just reboot? ;) |
| 12:15.00 | sep | trym|work, i would. if i failed id reboot on the installer and use tty2 to mount and chroot to recreate initrd from there |
| 12:15.13 | xored | wols_: XXXXXXX@XXXXXXX.XX <XXXXXXX@XXXXXXX.XX> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (111): Connection refused |
| 12:15.15 | trym|work | ok.. ill try :) thanks |
| 12:15.25 | xored | wols_: (111) or is this just the error msg id ? |
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| 12:15.55 | wols_ | come back when you can answer questions |
| 12:17.03 | xored | wols_: comeone, calm down. I didnt get oyur question maybe, sorry |
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| 12:17.31 | xored | the only quesitonmark i can see there is on : <wols_> and how do you know it's coming in at port 111? , and thats what i tried to answer |
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| 12:19.04 | sep | xored, 111 from you paste is just the error code, and connection refused means just that. conenction refused. |
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| 12:19.43 | floundering | the kernel module for my video card, mga-vid, is not supplied precompiled for the stock kernel. I cant get it to compile for the kernel I am running |
| 12:19.59 | xored | sep: ok fine. But my problem is, why. I have not recieved the mail, and thats not what was supsected... |
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| 12:21.19 | sep | xored, and the exim log you provided was from the sending host ? try telnet ip_of_email_server 25 (do you get a email server?) |
| 12:21.29 | incorrect | how can i allow a user to start X ? |
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| 12:21.38 | ktwilight | does anyone know if there's an audio player that supports multiple playlist? |
| 12:21.45 | trym|work | sep: worked like a charm.. thanks :) |
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| 12:22.06 | floundering | mga-vid will compile using the 2.6.8-2 headers but not for the 2.6.8.-2-686 kernel headers |
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| 12:22.47 | floundering | I am using make-kpkg modules |
| 12:23.27 | asg | nf1: we don't care, turn that off please. |
| 12:23.35 | xored | sep: one second |
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| 12:24.19 | mcgreg | hi |
| 12:24.21 | xored | sep yes i can connect |
| 12:24.58 | mcgreg | I have a problem installing "linux-headers-2.6.17-1-powerpc" it says: "linux-headers-2.6.17-1-powerpc: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.17 but it is not installable" is there anything I can do about it? |
| 12:25.30 | sep | xored, also from outside your network ? |
| 12:25.45 | xored | sep: yes, also from outside ( tried both ) |
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| 12:27.53 | sep | xored, and the exim log was from the sending host to you or from you to someone else ? |
| 12:28.37 | xored | sep: as someone has said me, this error was a "my mailserver could not send it there"§ |
| 12:28.43 | xored | not a "could not recieve" |
| 12:29.01 | sep | xored, yes my thougths exactly |
| 12:29.22 | sep | xored, so it's basicaly just a wait until it's fixed/bounced thing |
| 12:29.38 | sep | unless your also responcible for the reciving end :) |
| 12:30.05 | trym|work | is there an app that detects stuff like hard drive failures and performs a specific action? Preferably a program that can do most kinds of alerts like power failure aswell |
| 12:30.25 | xored | sep: no iam not, but i stil got that "cannot recieved" probe. i jsut picked the wron line in the error log and misunderstood it. Hwo would a "could not recieve line look like ? |
| 12:30.54 | sep | trym|work, snmp can send traps, smart monitoring tools can detect hd issues |
| 12:31.01 | xored | sep: should i look in mainlog or rejectlog |
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| 12:31.38 | trym|work | sep: I cant see any errors in messages or syslog when ejecting a disk ? |
| 12:31.50 | sep | trym|work, what raid controller ? |
| 12:32.05 | trym|work | sep: megaraid_mbox module.. dell |
| 12:32.08 | trym|work | perc I guess |
| 12:32.15 | sep | trym|work, each raidcontroller have their own interface for that. some uses syslog others not. |
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| 12:32.24 | sep | i have no experience with thatone im afraid. |
| 12:32.34 | superlinux | xored, hello.. sorry if I let you down yesterday.. but really I wanna help you in doing traffic shaping |
| 12:32.40 | sep | but i check for a value in /proc/ on my gdth module |
| 12:32.51 | trym|work | sep: ok.. ill just read some manuals and maybe ill find the answer :) |
| 12:32.52 | MarsRouter | hi all |
| 12:33.07 | superlinux | MarsRouter, hello |
| 12:33.20 | MarsRouter | i want to downlaod debian |
| 12:33.21 | sep | trym|work, look in /proc/scsi :) |
| 12:33.26 | sep | !d-i |
| 12:33.26 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. |
| 12:33.44 | superlinux | do you think Linux is "Mars Router" ( I don't mean you MarsRouter ) |
| 12:33.51 | Kzya | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.57 | Kzya | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.03 | superlinux | especially w.r.t cisco |
| 12:35.02 | MarsRouter | superlinux: Linux will the OS when man will conqure Mars:) |
| 12:35.09 | Kzya | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.30 | superlinux | ok |
| 12:35.34 | superlinux | great |
| 12:36.44 | superlinux | MarsRouter, I meant by that what did cisco say abt linux when It can be a router. "what the hell is that?" or "Alients!!!" LOL |
| 12:36.54 | sep | marc, did you get it to boot ? |
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| 12:37.22 | MarsRouter | superLinx: Linux or UNIX can route better than CISCO |
| 12:37.44 | blondie | MarsRouter: are you Martian? |
| 12:37.58 | MarsRouter | blondie : no |
| 12:38.05 | blondie | awww |
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| 12:38.35 | marc | sep: yes it just booted fine, but now i have different problems :-) |
| 12:38.48 | marc | sep: thanks for the instructions.... i am running the install now to see what other problems occured |
| 12:38.54 | MarsRouter | superlinux: CISCO is having advantage that a hardware based Routers is more stable , but if we hava satble machine then my prefrence is alwas Zebra |
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| 12:39.04 | sep | marc, goodie |
| 12:39.12 | superlinux | MarsRouter, me too |
| 12:39.28 | superlinux | and I donno why it won't be stable |
| 12:39.49 | superlinux | huge RAM and CPU w.r.t cisco's |
| 12:39.51 | MarsRouter | superlinux:: im on fedora or freeBSD mostly i want to taste debian too |
| 12:39.55 | superlinux | why it won't |
| 12:40.01 | sep | MarsRouter, hardware routers also have the benefit of port density, and forwarding speed. where even server based linux routers can't compete. ofcourse not many need that performance. |
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| 12:40.27 | superlinux | MarsRouter, apt-get install quagga |
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| 12:40.51 | orlowsks | Has anyone had or heard of hard lock ups with etch? Nothing in the logs. Maybe video? |
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| 12:41.02 | MarsRouter | sep: depanding on cost |
| 12:41.20 | sep | MarsRouter, ofcourse, everythnig is |
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| 12:41.55 | FunkyBob | where do I make a request for a new package variant? I'd love to see python-glib as an option instead of having to include all 30 packages that python-gtk2 requires. |
| 12:41.58 | golly | what's going on if I can see my drives in /mnt/ but can't see them in Qparted? |
| 12:42.05 | MarsRouter | sep: what CISCO has in it ?? i have seen Intel chipste there :) & Flash memmory |
| 12:42.39 | superlinux | well I have that project always a dream to do for me. selling linux routers instead of cisco's for small companies |
| 12:42.41 | blondie | MarsRouter: Cisco isn't an acronym |
| 12:43.00 | MarsRouter | as i think taht the real job of network designer how to save cost by replacing CISCO etc with good solutions |
| 12:43.22 | superlinux | blondie, they say it comes from franCisco |
| 12:43.27 | FunkyBob | MarsRouter: well, Allied-Telesyn do good stuf, and much cheaper than Cisco :P |
| 12:43.34 | superlinux | look at the logo... the bridge |
| 12:44.05 | MarsRouter | FunkyBOb|: yep they had good ones specially i like their layer 3 swutches |
| 12:44.11 | sep | it's not the chipsets/cpu that do the work. there are mrv routing switches with on chip routing tables that use regular linux to load the routing tables in the netcards. its the same with cisco. what wuold be cool would be a pci-[E|X] board like that with 4 interfaces and onboard routing asci. with opensource drivers. |
| 12:44.22 | FunkyBob | MarsRouter: we have their 24port PoE switch... very nice |
| 12:44.30 | FunkyBob | MarsRouter: and a couple of their routers |
| 12:44.56 | superlinux | sep, and in PC world you can add PCI extenstions |
| 12:44.56 | MarsRouter | FrankyBob: thats nice |
| 12:45.13 | FunkyBob | sep: make your own chip... use the ethernet MAC designs at opencorse.org |
| 12:45.14 | superlinux | means that not only 4 ports |
| 12:45.32 | FunkyBob | they also have TDM and ATM cores |
| 12:45.47 | superlinux | or even get a very old pentium 2 with ISA extentions |
| 12:45.48 | MarsRouter | hmmm |
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| 12:46.00 | HS^ | how do show size of a 'ls' command in MB? |
| 12:46.02 | sep | FunkyBob, you have a spare factory ? :) |
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| 12:46.10 | FunkyBob | HS^: ls -h ? |
| 12:46.14 | MarsRouter | i m not saying stop using CISCO |
| 12:46.15 | FunkyBob | sep: just use FPGAs :) |
| 12:46.16 | superlinux | HS^, ls -sh |
| 12:46.31 | MarsRouter | but we sholu dalways find a good way to do things |
| 12:46.31 | superlinux | put the 's' |
| 12:48.20 | xored | how to check to mails for root ? |
| 12:48.34 | RvGaTe | xored, /var/mail |
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| 12:48.58 | marc | sep: the first part went great, then i reboot into the new system and have no way of telling it to use the preseed, any ideas? |
| 12:49.03 | FunkyBob | oh, and to whom do I complain about silly package dependancies? |
| 12:49.25 | sep | FunkyBob, bugs.debian.org |
| 12:49.55 | sep | marc, didnt it take it with itself ? |
| 12:49.58 | meff | whats the deal with linux-kbuild-2.6.17 not existing? i see tons of bug reports merged but no explanation |
| 12:50.09 | sep | marc, you booted with preseed/file=/cdrom/file.cfg ? |
| 12:50.28 | marc | sep: i get the second part of the installation, do i need to pass those params to grub also? |
| 12:50.58 | wols_ | marc: where do you see reports? |
| 12:51.04 | sep | marc, no i belived the first stage installed feeded the chrooted debconf with the answers from the preseed file, ask in #debian-boot |
| 12:51.13 | marc | ok thanks |
| 12:51.18 | marc | wols: what reports? |
| 12:51.24 | sep | umm on irc.debian.org |
| 12:51.26 | wols_ | mean meff, sorry |
| 12:51.30 | wols_ | meff: what reports? |
| 12:51.32 | marc | np |
| 12:51.38 | marc | thanks for your help guys |
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| 12:52.09 | wols_ | xored: depends on your mail storage |
| 12:52.21 | wols_ | and which user gets mail from root, how you set it up |
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| 12:52.48 | meff | wols_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=linux-2.6 will show you a bunch |
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| 12:53.12 | guilherme-jorge | hello all, is it possible to do replication (using DRBD) between four distinct servers? |
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| 12:53.46 | wols_ | meff: and why do you think 2.6.17 kernels don't exist (there are no "kbuilds" in debian btw) |
| 12:54.15 | meff | wols_: there are 2.6.17 image debs, just no kbuild debs.. and the headers depend on that pkg |
| 12:54.25 | guilherme-jorge | In this way, any data alteration would be replicated to anothers servers |
| 12:57.30 | golly | hey anyone...how is it possible that I can read/write to /mnt/sda1 but can't see it when I df???? |
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| 13:00.03 | vitry | hi people. I'm thinking why gkrellm detect my GPU sensor temperature, and gkrellmd not |
| 13:00.34 | vitry | I have configured lm-sensors correctly |
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| 13:02.05 | sky0 | golly: df seems to take the data from /etc/mtab; have you mounted the drive with: mount -n ? |
| 13:03.27 | golly | sky0: how do I tell? |
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| 13:04.24 | sky0 | golly: you have mounted the drive? what command did you use for that? |
| 13:05.04 | golly | sky0 : I automounted in fstab on boot |
| 13:05.22 | golly | sky0: and no, mtab doesn't list it |
| 13:05.30 | golly | sky0: what writes mtab? |
| 13:06.12 | holycow | guys ... when setting up dual boot systems with multiple partitions ... is it sensible to start off with two logical partitions for each os ... then repartition underneath each as required? |
| 13:06.24 | sky0 | golly: I would assume 'mount' does when automounting; what is your respective line in /etc/fstab for /mnt/sda1 ? |
| 13:06.35 | wols_ | holycow: not necessary |
| 13:06.55 | wols_ | on the typical case of windows, I usually give windows a primary partition to boot from and put linux in exetended |
| 13:06.56 | holycow | wols_, it is if you have more than 4 primary partitions, correct? |
| 13:07.13 | wols_ | you only need 1 extended then. not several |
| 13:07.22 | golly | sky0: the line says : /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext3 auto,noexec 0 0 |
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| 13:07.33 | wols_ | and I always make one primary which also has the bootflag set. "just in case" |
| 13:07.37 | holycow | oh ... so an extended partition can have an arbitrary number of child partitions? |
| 13:08.08 | wols_ | no. and extended partition can have up to 4 partitions only. but: an extended parttition can contain another extended partition :) |
| 13:08.13 | Barkley | cd /Volumes/M$ && tar cvf - --exclude './RECYCLER*' -j --bzip2 ./Y* > /Volumes/BACKUPS/test.tbz |
| 13:08.25 | wols_ | so you can "daisy chain" them sorta |
| 13:08.54 | Barkley | so i'm trying to backup a windows music partition. does that look right? someone that is really handy with tar/gzip/bzip care to make comments? |
| 13:09.03 | wols_ | but if you need more than 7 partitions, take a hard look at your partitioningh scheme :) |
| 13:09.03 | holycow | wols_, oh! okay ... *hmm* fawk, i messed this up then ... i have used up all my logical partitions and now need to repartition this win box |
| 13:09.14 | holycow | wols_, well 2 for windows, 3 for linux typically |
| 13:09.34 | holycow | windows users haveto be under something like deepfreeze that freezes the entire win install |
| 13:11.31 | Barkley | my real question in there is: 1) do you have to use -j and --bzip2 both to bzip it? 2) what's the best compression? |
| 13:11.40 | holycow | wols_, thanks |
| 13:11.41 | sky0 | golly: I have no idea why it doesn't add the line to the mtab, it looks fine; you can add a line manually, but I don't know if this will survive a reboot: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext3 rw,noexec 0 0" should work |
| 13:12.01 | fony_vaio | I recently upgraded my kernel from 2.6.17-1 to 2.6.17-3. I used in-kernel ALSA config on both, and whilst it worked fine before, it now outputs no sound. The device is found during boot time and seems to be initialised correctly (ie. I can select it in XMMS, mixer works properly, etc), but absolutely no sound. Device is hda-intel (sigmatel chipset), any ideas? dmesg: ALSA device list: #0: HDA Intel at 0xdfebc000 irq 217 |
| 13:12.20 | Barkley | plug in your speakers? |
| 13:12.23 | golly | sky0: weird eh? and I can access the driive in the /mnt/ dir |
| 13:12.35 | golly | sky0: not even Qparted sees it |
| 13:16.04 | sky0 | golly: accessing a device/partition does have nothing todo with /etc/mtab containing a respective line. Yes, it should be listed there; but it doesn't influence if it works. A ~real~ list of all partitions is /proc/partitions (that is what the kernel actually sees), /etc/mtab is just a convention. |
| 13:17.09 | golly | sky0: OK I added it manually to mtab and I can now see it in df and the desktop icon, yet Qparted still can't see it |
| 13:17.24 | golly | sky0: trying a reboot to see if I shook any cobwebs off |
| 13:17.31 | r_marvin | no need |
| 13:17.54 | r_marvin | try blockdev --rereadpt /dev/hda (or whatever disk ypu have) |
| 13:18.31 | Barkley | ok i realize compressing mp3 files is like compressing gifs, BUT i'm only getting 3MB of savings with bz2 across 200MB :D is there a compression scheme thats even better (...and slower) |
| 13:18.34 | r_marvin | sorry, i haven't seen this from the beginning, so i may be off-course |
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| 13:19.45 | sky0 | golly: /etc/mtab will most likely not influence qparted; that is a low-level tool, which will access /dev/sda directly (the partition should _not_ be mounted at that time!) |
| 13:20.24 | golly | sky0: yeah I know....but still no idea why qparted can't see it |
| 13:21.18 | golly | sky0: my entry into mtab was overwritten on reboot, so they are still considered unmounted..... grrrrrr |
| 13:21.21 | my007ms | is there is some how let me make quota per MB and GB .....etc or it must be with Blocks |
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| 13:22.48 | golly | sky0: any ideas? |
| 13:23.49 | awp_ | Hi, anyone using amd64 could recommend me an updated repository? I've read the debian amd64 howto, and the repository listed there (amd64.debian.net) has some broken packages (like xorg) |
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| 13:27.47 | fony_vaio | Barkley: i'd connect them, except their built into the laptop, so i'd need to take it apart, disconnect them, and then re-connect them before i could achieve that (not that i'd imagine it'd solve the problem...) :D |
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| 13:28.45 | cast | hmm. if i have a script in /etc/init.d that doesn't exit...but rather runs eternally. is that going to stall my boot process? |
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| 13:30.25 | reilithion | Where can I find information about when Ekiga might show up in Etch? |
| 13:30.59 | sky0 | golly: ugly workaround: (echo '#!/bin/bash' ; echo 'echo "/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext3 rw,noexec 0 0" >>/etc/mtab') >/etc/rcS.d/S80my_fixmount.sh ; chmod +x /etc/rcS.d/S80my_fixmount.sh |
| 13:31.10 | iaesp | Hello, i'm using Sarge, and when i try to install apache-ssl it says me that there are broken dependencies, that it needs apache-common < 1.3.34-0 but it is installed 1.3.34-2 what can i do? :( |
| 13:31.16 | sep | reilithion, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ekiga |
| 13:31.33 | reilithion | sep, thanks |
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| 13:31.57 | golly | sky0: force mounts it each boot...I |
| 13:32.20 | golly | sky0: I'm running at runlevel 5 so stick it in there eh |
| 13:32.28 | golly | ? |
| 13:32.36 | sky0 | golly: no, it just add the line to the /etc/mtab; I thought it was already automounted? |
| 13:32.50 | sky0 | golly: any runlevel you please |
| 13:33.20 | golly | sky0: I don't really get runlevels so I'll stick with 5 |
| 13:34.43 | Barkley | anyone have a script that compresses a windows partition? can someone paste their tar line? i'm curious how people do it (using SYSV syntax or not) and if there's a standard list of excludes that works well when dealing with windows shares |
| 13:34.59 | xored | wher is spamassin normaly login to ? |
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| 13:36.11 | sep | iaesp, you aren't running sarge that's for sure, since apache-common is version 1.3.33-6sarge1 in sarge. |
| 13:36.17 | simmerz | why would trying to install libapache-mod-php5 want to remove kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386? |
| 13:36.27 | simmerz | using sarge, but wanting to get a couple of bits from testing |
| 13:36.49 | asg | simmerz: it is conflicting with some package that both use. |
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| 13:36.54 | sep | simmerz, probably just becouse you use 2.6.8-3 now and 2.6.8-2 is uneeded, unless you specify that you want to keep both versions of the kernel |
| 13:38.02 | Barkley | Ox0F0-0FF excellent |
| 13:38.27 | sky0 | cast: imo init.d scripts need to return; otherwise init would block while executing that script (system never reaches login-phase); you have to fork into background. an alternative might be running that script from /etc/inittab |
| 13:38.51 | simmerz | sep: nope, using 2.6.8-2 |
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| 13:39.09 | typewriter | !dpkg |
| 13:39.09 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
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| 13:39.15 | sep | simmerz, and you havent installed the latest security upgrade ? and just havent rebooted yet ? |
| 13:39.30 | asg | simmerz: did you just download the libapache-mod-php5 deb or add testing sources and try to apt-get install? |
| 13:39.37 | zaher | is it safe to install packages from backports.org? |
| 13:39.44 | asg | zaher: for some versions of safe |
| 13:39.53 | simmerz | sep: just installed the system using net-inst |
| 13:39.53 | typewriter | Hey, does anyone know what dpkg(the bot) is? what it's written in etc |
| 13:39.59 | asg | typewriter: it's a blootbot |
| 13:40.04 | sep | zaher, if you do it acording to the instructions on backports.org and only for the package yuo _need_ to have a newer version... yes |
| 13:40.07 | asg | typewriter: written in Perl |
| 13:40.15 | asg | typewriter: /topic #debian-bots |
| 13:40.15 | typewriter | bloodbot? |
| 13:40.16 | Barkley | define safe zaher...what are you trying to install? |
| 13:40.26 | asg | typewriter: no, bloot |
| 13:40.35 | typewriter | ok |
| 13:40.35 | Barkley | you need to wrap your head around pinning if you are going to use something that might cause a conflict |
| 13:40.45 | cast | sky0: aye. it returns now. :) |
| 13:40.55 | simmerz | apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade give me nothing to upgrade apparently |
| 13:41.06 | cast | sky0: nothing like not being able to boot a machine in another country |
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| 13:41.12 | zaher | xorg |
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| 13:41.28 | zaher | it isn't included in the sarge package |
| 13:41.40 | asg | simmerz: apt-cache policy libc6 (what version is installed?) |
| 13:42.19 | simmerz | 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 13:42.39 | asg | simmerz: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:42.44 | blondie | ww/win 37 |
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| 13:43.00 | asg | blondie: you are on too many channels |
| 13:43.12 | blondie | asg: it goes up to 60 |
| 13:43.19 | asg | blondie: mine goes to 11 |
| 13:43.22 | simmerz | asg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KZqm7H49.html |
| 13:43.33 | blondie | it often goes up to around 100 :) |
| 13:44.55 | simmerz | asg: I have also got a line in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00debrelease that says APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 13:45.03 | asg | simmerz: have you considered getting the backports from backports.org instead of trying to shoehorn bits of testing? |
| 13:45.36 | simmerz | asg: hadn't done, no, but that still doesn't tell me why the kernel image isn't being upgraded to -3 |
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| 13:46.29 | simmerz | but I shall look at backports instead |
| 13:46.32 | simmerz | of using testing |
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| 13:48.28 | asg | simmerz: if you install the kernel-image-2.6-386 meta-package, does it also install the -3 version of the specific package you are using? |
| 13:49.18 | zaher | is it safe 2 install xorg from backports.org? im using 3.1r2 sarge |
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| 13:50.23 | asg | zaher: it is safe if you trust that Norbert will keep the backports up to date in the event of a security vulnerability. |
| 13:50.31 | novosk | In evolution email client, how to cc the email to other addressees besides the main one? |
| 13:50.32 | simmerz | asg: yes. ah, so i just has the 2.6.8-2 package installed specifically |
| 13:50.44 | asg | zaher: he's generally on top of things but note that backports is not officially supported. |
| 13:50.46 | sep | zaher, it's realy no point in asking that. either you have hardware that require you to use a backported xorg, or you dont have hardware requiering that backport. |
| 13:50.47 | zaher | aha |
| 13:50.47 | xored | is SpamAsssin-Logger installer with the normal SpamAssasin ? i cannot find any log output of spamassasing |
| 13:50.47 | asg | simmerz: right |
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| 13:50.57 | golly | sky0: you still in? |
| 13:50.59 | giupy-euei | hi all |
| 13:51.09 | zaher | hmm |
| 13:51.31 | simmerz | many thanks. I'll be back when something else goes wrong ;-() |
| 13:51.31 | iaesp | Hello, i'm using Sarge, and when i try to install apache-ssl it says me that there are broken dependencies, that it needs apache-common < 1.3.34-0 but it is installed 1.3.34-2 what can i do? :( |
| 13:51.45 | giupy | is it possible to search in a text file numbers between x and y ? |
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| 13:51.54 | zaher | is there other sites with deb packages like xorg? |
| 13:52.00 | giupy | in vim i hope.... |
| 13:52.06 | sky0 | golly: yes |
| 13:52.39 | asg | giupy: it should be doable with a regex. Ask #vim for specifics |
| 13:52.43 | novosk | In evolution email client, how to cc the email to other addressees besides the main one? |
| 13:52.52 | giupy | asg: i try thanks |
| 13:53.05 | asg | iaesp: put your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of 'apt-cache policy apache-ssl' in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 13:53.19 | golly | sky0: I'm curious to find out what determines whether something is mounted or not. Obviously fstab is working, just not allowing any other progs to see it's results |
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| 13:53.49 | golly | sky0: I'm assuming df and qparted get their mounting info from "somewhere".....where? |
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| 13:54.00 | asg | golly: /proc/mounts |
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| 13:54.26 | golly | asg: what writes proc/mounts? ther kernel? |
| 13:54.42 | asg | golly: yes |
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| 13:55.18 | golly | asg: well /proc/mounts doesn't show a drive that IS mounted! |
| 13:55.31 | golly | asg: I can read write it fine, yet it do |
| 13:55.52 | asg | golly: what filesystem? |
| 13:55.54 | golly | asg: sorry....it don't appear in in mtab or df |
| 13:56.00 | Barkley | i have a vague idea what this means, but can someone explain this error: trailing garbage after EOF ignored...do i ignore this or is my tarring syntax wrong? |
| 13:56.01 | golly | asg: ext3 |
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| 13:56.38 | simmerz | can I installed php5 from backports with apache 1.3? |
| 13:56.45 | simmerz | i can't seem to type today |
| 13:56.54 | asg | golly: did you mount it with '-n'? |
| 13:57.08 | golly | asg: actually I dont even know..... I mounted it in fstab |
| 13:57.16 | golly | asg: as ext3 |
| 13:57.44 | golly | asg: but it doesn't appear as mounted in mtab, just appears in /mnt/sda1 |
| 13:57.51 | golly | weird |
| 13:58.11 | asg | simmerz: since backports has a libapache-mod-php5 package and a libapache2-mod-php5 package, I would say that the answer to your question is yes. |
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| 13:58.24 | fireba11 | Barkley: that means EOF (end of file) was not the actual end of that file ... |
| 13:58.29 | asg | golly: can you umount it? |
| 13:58.44 | golly | asg: let me try that. hang on |
| 13:59.51 | Barkley | so this is a dir of mp3 files....they appear ok. but do i need to specify somethign else or is my tar wrong? tar -C /Volumes/M$ -cvjf - --exclude ./RECYCLER* ./* > /Volumes/BACKUPS/music.bz2 << used to create then tar xjvf music.bz2 used to deflate |
| 14:00.23 | golly | asg : says can't umount disk full...I think it's mounted sda1 on my home |
| 14:00.30 | Barkley | or do i just ignore that error? |
| 14:00.51 | fireba11 | Barkley: i won't ignore that because you could loose data |
| 14:00.54 | simmerz | asg: just worked it all out. cheers for the patience! |
| 14:01.05 | Barkley | thnx fireba11 |
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| 14:02.19 | novosk | golly: mtab should show what is currently mounted. |
| 14:02.31 | golly | novosk: it ain't mounted in there |
| 14:02.42 | golly | but yet I can still read and write to it |
| 14:02.46 | novosk | golly: that means it is not mounted. |
| 14:03.00 | golly | novosk: if it's unmounted, how come I can rread and write to it? |
| 14:03.19 | nefertum | has been anything changed in amarok package¿ |
| 14:03.21 | iaesp | asg: it seems like pastebin is not working for me.. |
| 14:03.24 | novosk | golly: u may be r/w another device. |
| 14:03.27 | nefertum | i've installed it and it doesnt have amarokapp binary |
| 14:03.31 | nefertum | so it doesnt start |
| 14:03.54 | golly | novosk: you know...I'm suspectiing that is the case.....I just got 100% full on my home |
| 14:04.03 | asg | simmerz: you're welcome |
| 14:04.24 | novosk | golly: i bet that is what is happening. |
| 14:04.24 | asg | iaesp: in what way is it not working? |
| 14:04.36 | golly | how do I stop that? |
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| 14:06.15 | iaesp | asg: well, i paste my results, put my name, etc but when i clic "send" it keeps "Waiting for pastebin.com..." and does nothing |
| 14:06.20 | novosk | golly: how do u start it? if it is fr a shell, then ctrl-c. another way is the identify the process id and kill it. |
| 14:06.41 | golly | sky0: dude, novosk just figured out what's the matter....the sda1 mount point was pointing somwhere on my home dir...wtf? |
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| 14:07.26 | novosk | golly: ha, common mistake. |
| 14:07.27 | golly | novosk: no I was trying install a new SATA disk, so I pluged it in and assumed that it mounted at sda1....since I wrote fstab to do that. |
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| 14:07.57 | golly | novosk: how would I find out what device my new sata disk is? |
| 14:08.12 | novosk | golly: u would have to config kernel for sata first. |
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| 14:08.25 | asg | iaesp: did you use http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:08.36 | golly | novosk: is that a major op? and where would I go to find out how? |
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| 14:09.16 | novosk | golly: go to /usr/src/linux, then make menuconfig. look for storage devices. |
| 14:09.35 | asg | golly: /msg dpkg sata (links and other info) |
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| 14:09.47 | iaesp | asg: ok, that worked :) here it's: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3036 |
| 14:10.14 | novosk | got to go. bye. |
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| 14:10.39 | sky0 | golly: if it is a problem of the partition not being mounted (because of the missing sata-driver) you should delete the script from above; otherwise you would have /dev/sda1 twice in /etc/mtab (as soon as it works at all) |
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| 14:11.05 | golly | sky0: yeah I figered as much...tnanks for your help on that. |
| 14:11.20 | asg | iaesp: and the output of 'apt-cache policy apache-common' ? |
| 14:12.22 | sky0 | golly: np, too bad that isn't the problem than. does: "grep sda /proc/partitions /proc/mounts" show anything at all? |
| 14:12.53 | asg | iaesp: I see that you have a commented backports line. Did you ever install anything from backports relating to apache? |
| 14:13.00 | iaesp | asg: there its.. below the commented line |
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| 14:13.19 | iaesp | asg: no, i installed rdiff-backup from backports but none related to apache |
| 14:13.28 | golly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.06 | asg | iaesp: I saw the apache-ssl policy output, now I want the apache-common output. |
| 14:14.44 | sky0 | golly: are you using a debian provided kernel? Have you compiled a kernel before? |
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| 14:15.01 | Qb3rt | my little problem (question) ---> http://pastebin.ca/77848 |
| 14:15.35 | golly | sky0 : no, never compiled a kernel b4..... am using Mepis 3.3.1 which is debian 2.6.10 |
| 14:15.38 | orchid | can someone help me remove the package hyperestraier? http://channels.debian.net/paste2/3037 |
| 14:15.52 | asg | Qb3rt: rmdir will *only* remove empty directories. If there is anything in the directory, rmdir will fail. |
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| 14:16.20 | Qb3rt | ok let say i put rm -rf instead |
| 14:16.22 | iaesp | asg: ok, here it's apt-cache policy apache-common |
| 14:16.22 | iaesp | apache-common: |
| 14:16.23 | iaesp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.23 | iaesp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.23 | iaesp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.45 | iaesp | sorry.. |
| 14:16.55 | iaesp | asg: here it's http://channels.debian.net/paste/3038 |
| 14:17.01 | asg | orchid: edit /etc/init.d/hyperestraier and put 'exit 0' at the begining of the 'stop' stanza. |
| 14:17.18 | Qb3rt | asg: ok let say i put rm -rf instead |
| 14:17.19 | orchid | asg: ok thanks |
| 14:17.58 | asg | Qb3rt: then you need to check using the shell (man bash ; /CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS) |
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| 14:18.43 | asg | iaesp: well, that is not the version in sarge so you've either manually installed it sometime in the past or something at backports upgraded it. Either way, you'll need to resolve that issue before apache-ssl can be installed. |
| 14:19.44 | iaesp | asg: ok, i know that, but how do i resolve that issue? because if i try to remove apache-common it says that it's gonna remove other packages as apache, etc.. |
| 14:20.17 | asg | iaesp: let it remove those packages. Then, reinstall with the original sarge packages. Make sure you do an 'apt-get update' to purge any cached info about backports.org |
| 14:20.32 | orchid | asg, didn't work, still got the ROOTDIR not found, and invoke-rc.d: initscript hyperestraier, action "stop" failed. |
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| 14:20.49 | asg | iaesp: actually, if you didn't run 'apt-get update' after commenting out the backports line, do that now and then try to install apache-ssl. |
| 14:20.50 | golly | sky0: if I were to install a sdriver....is a SUSE or a Rhat one better ? or neither? |
| 14:21.12 | sky0 | golly: I know nothing about SATA, but I seem to remember that a recent kernel is a good idea; 2.6.10 is rather old, though Mepis might use a patched version; you should search the mepis wiki/docs on a tutorial for building and installing a kernel (make backups! have a recue cd!) and read even more to find out which config options you need for sata support. |
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| 14:21.33 | orchid | asg: could I comment out the test for ROOTDIR? |
| 14:21.57 | asg | orchid: then put 'exit 0' at the top of the init.d script and see if that works. If not, hack the prerm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 14:22.12 | golly | sky0: SATA works..since I had it working before I put this drive in. |
| 14:22.23 | golly | sky0: just SATA 1 not SATA2 |
| 14:22.44 | orchid | asg that seemed to work, thanks alot! |
| 14:22.45 | golly | sky0: this new drive is attached to a new card which is SATA2 |
| 14:22.49 | asg | orchid: you're welcome |
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| 14:24.16 | sky0 | golly: if you need to patch the kernel with a driver made for a suse/redhat distro (both use their own modified kernel version) this gets even trickier. Depending on the differences between the suse/redhat and your current kernel (mepis/vanilla) this may require some programming knowledge... Good luck, you'll need it. |
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| 14:24.26 | iaesp | asg: the problem is that it's a server on production, and i can't quit the service.. |
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| 14:25.02 | asg | iaesp: then you should schedule some maintenance so you can do it (or build another server, do the migration, and decom the existing one.) |
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| 14:26.12 | asg | iaesp: the server is probably due for a reboot anyway to install the new kernel packages that were released to fix a number of vulnerabilities. |
| 14:26.40 | iaesp | asg: i ran aptitude update after commenting that line and the problem is still there.. |
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| 14:27.05 | asg | iaesp: why are you wanting to use apache-ssl instead of libapache-mod-ssl? |
| 14:27.28 | golly | sky0: sorry.....adsl is flaky |
| 14:27.54 | iaesp | asg: here they use "webmin" and they need ssl on apache.. |
| 14:28.25 | asg | iaesp: yes but libapache-mod-ssl provides ssl support for apache in a nice modular fashion. I won't comment on webmin |
| 14:29.12 | iaesp | asg: so what do you recommend me? use libapache-mod-ssl instead apache-ssl? |
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| 14:29.39 | asg | iaesp: for the time being, it may be possible for you to install libapache-mod-ssl with your current setup so it's a short term workaround. |
| 14:30.13 | asg | iaesp: also, if this isn't a particularly busy site, you could just use stunnel to provide 443 -> 80 mapping. |
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| 14:31.00 | iaesp | asg: but do you think having ssl as a module with mod_ssl is better than apache-ssl..? |
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| 14:34.19 | dayi | I have installed two debian and winXP , and installed grub(both of debians ) over and over again(aiming to learn grub:) now two of grub is nesting , when I choose winxp , it calls other grub menu(one menu has 3 entry and other 5 and I can understand it is nesting) and the problem is winxp cant boot ,others can boot , how can I solve it? |
| 14:34.29 | dayi | is there a way to reset mbr? |
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| 14:35.02 | wols | edit the menu.lst of your grub in MBR |
| 14:35.15 | asg | iaesp: I've never seen a compelling reason to use apache-ssl over libapache-mod-ssl. The former will apparently give you some performance gain but not much. |
| 14:35.20 | wols | you probably have 1 grub in MBR and one grub in the first sector of the partition |
| 14:35.36 | dayi | wols:yes I think so , how can I solve this? |
| 14:35.49 | wols | by editing your MBR menu.lst |
| 14:36.11 | dayi | wols:what to edit everything seems good |
| 14:36.32 | wols | paste it |
| 14:36.47 | dayi | wait I will boot it |
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| 14:38.11 | fasta | My terminal is acting odd. When I start ghci, (some interpreter), and then press backspace, some weird token is generated, instead of just going back one character. What can I do about this>? |
| 14:38.45 | asg | fasta: man stty |
| 14:40.01 | fasta | asg: no, that wasn't the problem. Thanks anyway. |
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| 14:40.07 | asg | fasta: you're welcome |
| 14:40.35 | dvs | !tell nf1 -about away |
| 14:40.35 | fasta | asg: I didn't build ghci with readline support ;) |
| 14:40.36 | asg | fasta: ah, that will do it :) |
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| 14:42.21 | dayi2 | wols:which one I will paste? |
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| 14:42.41 | wols | the one of your MBR of course |
| 14:43.34 | dayi | wols:it is the first one when I boot up ,isnt it? I dont remember which one installed mbr |
| 14:43.47 | wols | yes, that's the one in MBR |
| 14:44.28 | dayi2 | wols:http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=17328 |
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| 14:48.59 | awp_ | Hi, anyone using amd64 could recommend me an updated repository? I've read the debian amd64 howto, and the repository listed there (amd64.debian.net) has some broken packages (like xorg http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=366582), or even recommend another distro (ubuntu, gentoo?) |
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| 14:49.33 | wols_ | dayi: windows is on /dev/hda1 ? |
| 14:49.42 | asg | awp_: the folks in #debian-amd64 might know |
| 14:49.53 | simmerz | how stable is reiser4? |
| 14:50.13 | jsn | My main goal in getting a RSS feed aggregator, well, I want to be able to siphon them all into one stream. Can anyone recommend one, perhaps a standalone desktop app, that will dynamically update, run lightly, and, um, do good stuff? |
| 14:50.14 | dayi2 | yes |
| 14:50.27 | awp_ | asg: thanks |
| 14:50.29 | dayi2 | wols:yes |
| 14:51.25 | jsn | How many RSS feed aggregators does Debian have? Is there a list somewhere? Can anyone recommend one? |
| 14:51.34 | wols_ | then you overwrote the bootloader of windows |
| 14:51.54 | dayi2 | wols_: I think so:( |
| 14:52.09 | wols_ | run fixboot from a recovery console |
| 14:52.17 | dayi2 | from xp? |
| 14:52.21 | wols_ | yes |
| 14:52.26 | Barkley | jsn build your own in python and mysql :D |
| 14:52.30 | Barkley | good weekend project |
| 14:52.40 | dayi2 | than reinstalling grub works? |
| 14:52.47 | jsn | From 2000 to 2005, China's total foreign trade volume soared from $474.3 billion to $1.4 trillion. |
| 14:52.56 | wols_ | you don't need to reinstall grub. you need to reinstall the XP bootloader |
| 14:52.58 | jsn | Sorry, wrong channel. |
| 14:53.07 | jsn | Barkley, eh. I do perl anyway |
| 14:53.16 | wols_ | my condolences |
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| 14:53.21 | dayi2 | wols_:as I know windows overwrites grub |
| 14:53.36 | wols_ | dayi2: no! not overwrite grub. reinstall the XP bootloader |
| 14:53.41 | wols_ | MBR is not a bootloader |
| 14:53.48 | Barkley | then do it in perl, although the pain involved will be much higher than ruby or python ;D |
| 14:53.48 | jsn | perl + postgresql, actually. my condolences for you using mysql. i don't know that python is in any way better than perl, in any event |
| 14:53.54 | jsn | pain? |
| 14:53.58 | wols_ | at least it's not the windows one |
| 14:54.00 | asg | jsn: try liferea |
| 14:54.17 | dayi2 | ok thanks |
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| 14:54.43 | mc__ | jsn, python semi-compiled with psyco is a lot faster than perl |
| 14:54.44 | jsn | asg: Well, it's the first actual suggestion I've gotten, so THANK YOU! |
| 14:54.53 | wols_ | jsn: tried apt-cache search rss ? |
| 14:54.57 | jsn | mc__, is it faster on a slower machine? |
| 14:55.09 | MoDaX | awp_: amd64 testing/unstable is in debian official. use any official debian mirror |
| 14:55.17 | jsn | wols_, I didn't, but I wasn't really sure the "best" one would be named with "rss" in the title, so I thought I'd ask. |
| 14:55.18 | mc__ | jsn, if semi-compiled of course |
| 14:55.35 | wols_ | jsn: search doesn't look at titles only |
| 14:55.36 | guilherme-jorge | anybody used csync2 to do data replication between more than 2 servers?? |
| 14:55.39 | awp_ | asg -> geez, thanks, according to the wiki, looks like I am using the wrong repository d: |
| 14:55.43 | guilherme-jorge | Is it a good tool? |
| 14:55.51 | asg | awp_: :) you're welcome |
| 14:55.57 | jsn | wols_, hmm, I'm not sure I knew that. But it is only the one line description, right? |
| 14:56.00 | Barkley | the point i was really making is use whatever tool you want, although if skilled in ruby python and perl, i'd be hard pressed to choose perl over the others just based on syntax cleanliness and time to get stuff done. not too mention speed |
| 14:56.14 | wols_ | seach or display? |
| 14:56.15 | awp_ | MoDaX -> just noticed that, thanks |
| 14:56.37 | jsn | Barkley, oh, you've totally convinced me now. "syntax cleanliness" is another way to say "syntax fascism = one way to do it" right? |
| 14:56.49 | jsn | :op |
| 14:56.52 | wols_ | Barkley: perl gets parrot, python gets pypy. interesting times ahead in speed benchmarks :) |
| 14:56.55 | asg | TIMTOWTDI |
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| 14:57.12 | jetscreamer | death to all db arguments |
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| 14:57.23 | jetscreamer | and/or p args |
| 14:57.27 | Barkley | ditto on programming langs |
| 14:57.28 | wols_ | yes cause syntax cleanliness is so totally useless. which is why VB is the most used language ever :) |
| 14:57.32 | asg | !start a language war |
| 14:57.32 | dpkg | Python is faster than Oberon |
| 14:57.56 | dayi | html is the best:) |
| 14:58.09 | Barkley | wrong channel, but i'm digging rails. it's hot! |
| 14:58.26 | wols_ | yeah, gotta love php+html+javascript. ideally all in the same file |
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| 14:58.37 | wols_ | that crud is makiung me WANT to do perl *shudder* |
| 14:59.08 | jsn | Well, I'm glad I can do perl for my own purposes, and for a good career. So, I doubt I will ever change. |
| 14:59.26 | jsn | Has anyone played with 3d graph modelling and spinning with Perl Data Language? PDL? |
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| 14:59.56 | jetscreamer | asm is your god |
| 15:00.08 | jetscreamer | /ignore me |
| 15:00.09 | asg | jetscreamer: s/asm/asg/ |
| 15:00.14 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 15:01.09 | wols_ | jetscreamer: begs the question which ISA |
| 15:01.17 | wols_ | and which operand notation... |
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| 15:05.54 | jsn | asg: Can you integrate all the feeds into one meta feed with liferea? |
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| 15:06.14 | Sir-vince | i have created a chain called "10.0.4.2" (an ip of one of my computers) how do i make all traffic from that computer go through this chain ? |
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| 15:06.56 | jsn | Sir-vince, you could set the default gateway on other computers to it, with route add default gw 10.0.4.2 |
| 15:06.58 | binfalse | Hello |
| 15:07.03 | jsn | But I'm not sure that's the very best way |
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| 15:07.26 | Sir-vince | jsn it is on a iptables firewall that chain is, |
| 15:07.30 | asg | jsn: that I don't know, sorry. |
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| 15:08.11 | Sir-vince | my main server has ip 10.0.254.1 and that computer has ip 10.0.4.2 |
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| 15:08.33 | Sir-vince | then if i make a block all in my iptables on the chain "10.0.4.2" it will only block the ip 10.0.4.2 |
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| 15:09.22 | [spirit] | Hola.... |
| 15:09.27 | jsn | What's a -cil package? |
| 15:09.30 | binfalse | not sure |
| 15:09.33 | [spirit] | necesito ayuda |
| 15:09.46 | jsn | [spirit], #debian-es |
| 15:10.25 | jsn | por ayudas en espanol (pardonnez-moi) |
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| 15:11.08 | asg | jsn: -cil or -cli? |
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| 15:11.27 | jsn | -cil, it looks like some sort of gnome thing |
| 15:11.31 | jsn | but maybe not |
| 15:11.36 | jsn | mono, perhaps |
| 15:12.00 | wols_ | il = intermediate language? |
| 15:12.07 | wols_ | aka .net bytecode |
| 15:12.18 | blondie | il = israel |
| 15:12.28 | asg | jsn: yeah, dunno if -cil is a misnaming or not in that case though since the Description mentions CLI |
| 15:12.36 | wols_ | blondie: different domain/context |
| 15:12.49 | blondie | wols_: nice pun |
| 15:12.52 | [spirit] | jsn, je, je, je.... sorry.... I'm only a salute |
| 15:13.21 | jsn | je ne sprechen sie espanol |
| 15:13.42 | dvs | moi aussi |
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| 15:14.01 | Qb3rt | lol c bon ca |
| 15:14.31 | blondie | Qb3rt: english |
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| 15:15.03 | asg | asg@rob:~$ echo sup bitches | chef |
| 15:15.03 | asg | soop beetches |
| 15:15.04 | Qb3rt | blondie: yes for sure.... i just saw dvs saying something in french! |
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| 15:17.12 | pourriture | so .... on a server with 2.25 gigs of ram ... do I really want 4.5 gigs of swap? |
| 15:17.40 | cast | no. |
| 15:17.41 | asg | pourriture: are you going to run very large databases? |
| 15:17.45 | dvs | pourriture: If it's a server, I would. No prevent a crash |
| 15:17.57 | dvs | s/No/To |
| 15:18.46 | jsn | Gosh, all I want is rss/news aggregator software that _actually_ aggregates the feeds, and treats them all as one big feed. |
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| 15:19.19 | pourriture | asg, and dvs it is a small personal server for teamspeak, apache and qmail .... almost 0 traffic |
| 15:19.47 | dvs | pourriture: I'd put it at 2GB max |
| 15:19.47 | asg | jsn: rawdog looks like a potential |
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| 15:20.26 | asg | pourriture: then 512M to 1G would most likely be fine. |
| 15:21.00 | pourriture | quad p-ii 450 xeons, 2.25gig of ram and 12x9.1gig scsi ... BIG OLD HP netserv .... thank god I don't pay the electric bill :) |
| 15:21.18 | ktwilight | i'm gettin' a mix of packages when i do this "apt-get -s -t sarge-backports install dovecot". dovecot-common, dovecot-imapd and dovecot-pop3d are from backports (1.0.beta8), but not dovecot itself (0.99.14-1). /etc/apt/preferences just deactivates all backports, unless it's called from the cli. any ideas? |
| 15:21.29 | asg | pourriture: sounds similar to our Sun E250 |
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| 15:25.34 | sven__ | hi |
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| 15:26.18 | sven__ | i try to get some programm to run in the background (even without anyone logged in) and listen for a special sequence from the keyboard. how can this be done? |
| 15:26.24 | pourriture | asg, old enterprise hardware is too much fun |
| 15:26.45 | dvs | pourriture: EISA slots? ;-) |
| 15:26.47 | asg | pourriture: yeah. The E250 won't turn on unless the side of the case is fully closed |
| 15:26.56 | dvs | o_O |
| 15:27.16 | my007ms | lol |
| 15:27.41 | asg | sven__: if you don't care about the CTRL+ALT+DEL (shutdown you machine) functionality, you can redefine what that sequence does in /etc/inittab |
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| 15:27.50 | asg | s/you/your/ |
| 15:28.17 | sven__ | asg, basically good idea, but its more code-like and should be changed from time to time :) |
| 15:28.59 | asg | sven__: it might require you hacking the keyboard kernel driver in that case. ##kernelnewbies might have some idea. |
| 15:29.17 | sven__ | oh, thanks for the can, asg |
| 15:29.20 | sven__ | chan |
| 15:30.46 | jsn | rawdog installs pretty badly. It dies because it doesn't have a ~/.rawdog and then dies because there is no ~/.rawdog/config it can read |
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| 15:31.15 | dvs | Actually, I'd like to know how I can redefine my right Windows key to be the AltGr key on a US keyboard. |
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| 15:32.21 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm trying to set up a decent refresh rate on my Debian installation. Unfortunately 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' only lets me set up the video card. Can someone help me ? |
| 15:32.51 | jdhutchin1 | in one of the sections it talks about monitors, you can select 'auto' 'semi-auto' or 'manual' (something like that) |
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| 15:33.17 | jsn | ARGH! I think I am going to write my own. What a waste! |
| 15:33.30 | pourriture | w00t ... formatting 37gig of raid5 good-ness :) |
| 15:33.38 | knt | How can I make my graphics card to appear in the adapters list of xvinfo command. |
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| 15:34.51 | Jemt | jdhutchin1: Talking to me ? |
| 15:35.41 | jdhutchin1 | yeah |
| 15:35.42 | asg | dvs: xmodmap? |
| 15:35.56 | Jemt | jdhutchin1: The odd thing is, that I don't get that option |
| 15:35.59 | dvs | asg: Ok. I'll take a look |
| 15:36.02 | asg | dvs: use xev to find out what scancode it returns |
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| 15:37.06 | jdhutchin1 | Jemt, well, hmm, guess it got removed, nevermind then |
| 15:37.55 | jdhutchin1 | Jemt, you can edit the xorg.conf file yourself- HorizSync and VertRefresh are pretty easy to find |
| 15:38.02 | binfalse | Hi |
| 15:38.13 | cr3 | is there a way to see what kernel parameters were passed when booting? |
| 15:38.43 | asg | cr3: /proc/cmdline |
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| 15:39.18 | kebabab | hi, is there a way to override postrm scripts? I am trying to remove gsfonts-x11, but I am getting usage error: unrecognized option |
| 15:39.30 | llvllatrix | Hi guys, I'm trying to compile a kernel using the 2.6.17 tree. Unfortunately my compiler cannot find features.h (included from sg.h), although it is in my /usr/include directory. Any suggestions? |
| 15:39.39 | asg | kebabab: just edit them in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.postrm |
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| 15:39.45 | llvllatrix | I've tried editing sg.h to point directly to the file, however it claims that there are further files missing. I thought I would ask someone before continuing :) |
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| 15:39.50 | Jemt | jdhutchin1: I know that - but I'm changing the monitor on the computer quite often. It is not accaptable that I haft to find the H and V rates for every monitor I use. |
| 15:40.13 | jdhutchin1 | you can give it a range and it'll pick the one that makes the most sense to it |
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| 15:40.40 | snikker | domeones have tried to install acrobat reader (32-bit) on 64-bit system? i've got this error: "PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT (font)' failed" and i don't know how to fix it |
| 15:40.58 | asg | snikker: did you ask in #debian-amd64? |
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| 15:41.15 | kebabab | asg: thanks a lot! :) |
| 15:41.35 | snikker | asg: yes, but no ones answer to me :( |
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| 15:44.39 | rue_home | apt search liniec61883 |
| 15:44.46 | tonsofpcs | morning rue |
| 15:44.49 | rue_home | morning |
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| 15:45.25 | rue_home | dpkg search liniec61883 |
| 15:45.45 | asg | rue_home: /msg dpkg help |
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| 15:47.45 | rue_home | ok, whats with all these projects comming out with their own package servers? |
| 15:48.08 | rue_home | I need to know where to get libiec61883-0 |
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| 15:51.58 | asg | rue_home: that doesn't appear to be in debian. You could always build from source (http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/libiec61883/libiec61883.spec) |
| 15:52.24 | rue_home | interesting |
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| 15:52.43 | rue_home | why might cinelerra have it as a dependency? |
| 15:52.46 | kdm_probleme | hi, there's an undelete facility in Debian ? |
| 15:52.52 | rue_home | heh |
| 15:52.52 | dvs | There is a package that Debian doesn't have?!? |
| 15:53.26 | rue_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.43 | asg | rue_home: it might be available at the marillat site (/msg dpkg marillat) |
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| 15:55.13 | asg | kdm_probleme: take a look at libtrash |
| 15:55.23 | Egoist | Hi, I'm doing a project with other people and I'd like to be albe to create a database accessable to some computers (using win or linux) and which should be albe to save changes and write information on it. |
| 15:55.28 | Egoist | any suggestions? |
| 15:55.29 | rue_home | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 15:55.46 | rue_home | oh duh |
| 15:55.59 | asg | rue_home: it's at debian-multimedia.org now iirc |
| 15:56.35 | dvs | oh marillat.... kinda |
| 15:56.36 | rue_home | yes, sorry |
| 15:56.49 | rue_home | W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 15:57.08 | rue_home | Err http://debian-multimedia.org unstable/contrib Packages |
| 15:57.42 | asg | rue_home: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 15:58.10 | rue_home | it night be good to include that in the reference to marillat in the first place |
| 15:58.34 | asg | rue_home: it was at one point |
| 15:59.42 | rue_home | Failed to fetch http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 15:59.42 | rue_home | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:02.29 | rue_home | hints? |
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| 16:03.09 | rue_home | cmon, I'm on the virge of producing some really wickid lego videos here |
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| 16:04.17 | tonsofpcs | rue_home: don't use cinelerra ;) |
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| 16:04.27 | rue_home | what should I use then!?! |
| 16:04.40 | nuke | could someone plase tell me whats the default value in /etc/courier/imapd for MAILDIRPATH(the last line in the file) |
| 16:04.42 | rue_home | stopmotion dosn't quite cut it |
| 16:04.47 | tonsofpcs | just shoot the frames, i'll edit thm :) |
| 16:05.05 | rue_home | hah, you sure you wan tot have to produce all the videos I wan tot do? |
| 16:05.16 | rue_home | I'll send you media now.... |
| 16:05.22 | tonsofpcs | i used to use some small tool to shoot the frames and then use my overpriced animation software to finish ;) |
| 16:05.23 | rue_home | all 101 megs of it |
| 16:05.37 | tonsofpcs | i forget the name of the small tool |
| 16:05.45 | rue_home | stopframe? |
| 16:05.49 | rue_home | it dot do audio |
| 16:05.51 | tonsofpcs | maybe |
| 16:05.59 | tonsofpcs | it's not supposed to |
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| 16:06.15 | rue_home | I need to do audio coriagraphy |
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| 16:06.18 | tonsofpcs | you're doing stop motion, not live action |
| 16:06.24 | tonsofpcs | you retime the frames later |
| 16:06.27 | rue_home | :D |
| 16:06.45 | tonsofpcs | you have an osx or windoze pc on hand? |
| 16:06.46 | allison | Good morning. I have an old CD-ROM drive that's spouting errors in dmesg. Is there a way to tell the kernel to ignore it at boot? |
| 16:06.49 | rue_home | I still need software to do it |
| 16:06.59 | rue_home | I'm about > < that close to writing soemmthing |
| 16:07.08 | rue_home | no I dont |
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| 16:07.18 | tonsofpcs | hmmm... |
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| 16:07.27 | jair | hello guys, how are you doing? |
| 16:07.27 | aptitude | jair: eh, ok |
| 16:07.27 | dpkg | just great, jair |
| 16:07.32 | jair | haha |
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| 16:07.35 | jair | good |
| 16:07.54 | tonsofpcs | let me see what editing packages i have |
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| 16:08.12 | tonsofpcs | there's one that was nice and easy with a seperate audio track |
| 16:08.31 | rue_home | I'd love to know |
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| 16:09.28 | jair | hey guys, how hard is to have a dns server running on your own site? |
| 16:10.01 | jair | I mean in your own server, I am talking about have something like: ns1.jair.com ns2.jair.com |
| 16:10.01 | wols_ | caching DNS or authoritative DNS? |
| 16:10.12 | jair | authorative I will say. |
| 16:10.35 | jair | wols_: do you have your own? |
| 16:10.40 | simmerz | should a debian stock kernel work fine with evms? I'm having problems getting it to activate my volumes |
| 16:11.03 | jair | I have a friend that is running his, but I am new on the fundamentals of DNS |
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| 16:11.11 | asg | jair: it's easy enough. There are tons of howtos, the classic DNS and BIND O'Reilly book, and #dns |
| 16:11.15 | wols_ | no |
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| 16:11.28 | wols_ | that one is harder to do since you need to edit zonefiles |
| 16:12.25 | jair | asg: thanks, I will check that |
| 16:12.39 | jair | wols_: thank you anyway ;) |
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| 16:13.40 | rue_home | Failed to fetch http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 16:13.53 | rue_home | ah, click |
| 16:14.14 | tonsofpcs | was either kdenlive or kino that does it |
| 16:14.19 | tonsofpcs | if forget which |
| 16:14.32 | rue_home | tried kino |
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| 16:14.40 | rue_home | so it must no kdenlive |
| 16:14.41 | blondie | how do you make things in /etc/init.d/ start automatically on boot? |
| 16:14.55 | tonsofpcs | it starts out looking like windowsmoviemaker but you click a few things and it looks like premiere |
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| 16:15.15 | asg | blondie: update-rc.d |
| 16:15.29 | tonsofpcs | my editing box is down, otherwise i'd check it directly |
| 16:15.29 | asg | blondie: or manually add symlinks from /etc/rcX.d to /etc/init.d/foo |
| 16:16.12 | blondie | hmm |
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| 16:16.36 | rue_home | blame, put them in your runleve startups |
| 16:16.41 | rue_home | blondie, |
| 16:16.47 | blondie | I don't know what runlevel |
| 16:16.47 | freeone3000 | Package eclipse wants gcj. I have sun's java installed through apt. Why does it want gcj? |
| 16:16.52 | tonsofpcs | yea, i think its kdenlive |
| 16:16.56 | asg | blondie: debian uses 2 by default |
| 16:16.57 | rue_home | at prompt say runlevel |
| 16:17.04 | blondie | I see |
| 16:17.24 | rue_home | blondie, :) |
| 16:17.27 | blondie | dpkg was kind enough to create the thing in /etc/init.d but too lazy to start it automatically |
| 16:17.37 | rue_home | there is also a program |
| 16:17.39 | rue_home | erm |
| 16:17.39 | asg | blondie: /etc/init.d/README (and the links in that file point to the necessary policy defaults.) |
| 16:17.42 | rue_home | its called |
| 16:17.45 | asg | rue_home: update-rc.d |
| 16:17.53 | rue_home | ya! |
| 16:17.58 | asg | or rcconf |
| 16:17.58 | blondie | actually it's already there... doesn't work though |
| 16:18.05 | asg | blondie: what is it named? |
| 16:18.07 | rue_home | chmod 755 foo? |
| 16:18.18 | rue_home | did it not start cause its not happy about its config? |
| 16:18.22 | blondie | rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2006-06-18 18:43 S30mpd -> ../init.d/mpd |
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| 16:18.30 | blondie | it starts if I do it manually |
| 16:18.32 | rue_home | something in /etc/defualts or something? |
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| 16:19.10 | rue_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.10 | rue_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.11 | rue_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.14 | rue_home | :/ |
| 16:19.21 | rue_home | I can install cinelerra now |
| 16:19.30 | k31th | guys i have a apache server on a nat'd network and i have port 80 port fwd'd in for the vhost should i have <VirtualHost 85.143.144.33> or <VirtualHost 192.168.1.2> |
| 16:19.58 | asg | k31th: the latter unless 85.143.144.33 is an actual interface (virtual or real) on the apache server |
| 16:20.00 | rue_home | hmm / is running short on space |
| 16:20.07 | tonsofpcs | rue_home: try kdenlive if you want to match video to audio, if you want to match the audio to video, some of the audio editing tools can load a video track |
| 16:20.08 | rue_home | thats gonna suck |
| 16:20.08 | asg | rue_home: sudo apt-get clean |
| 16:20.14 | fwd | k31th, port what's? |
| 16:20.16 | fwd | ;) |
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| 16:20.26 | k31th | port 80 fwd |
| 16:20.36 | rue_home | heh, and I run deborphan and localpurge |
| 16:21.02 | asg | rue_home: if /var isn't on a separate partition, check /var/log |
| 16:21.04 | kdm_probleme | my kdm starts XTERM whenever i select gnome/kde/failsafe session ? Why ? |
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| 16:21.09 | blondie | oh well I ran dpkg-reconfigure mpd (and didn't change anything) and now it starts at boot |
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| 16:21.47 | rue_home | mmm I should put /var/logs in a loopback penn like my router |
| 16:22.07 | rue_home | 91% lets see what cinelerra is like |
| 16:22.19 | jelly-home | rue_home: not if you use your logs for anything. |
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| 16:23.53 | tonsofpcs | anyone figure out a way to run osx x86 binary apps on linux ? |
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| 16:23.55 | rue_home | hmm, hda2 is an unused 32G partition that my 2G hda1 partition can use |
| 16:24.01 | rue_home | :) |
| 16:24.12 | rue_home | e2fsrezise? |
| 16:24.38 | tonsofpcs | move the logs? ;) |
| 16:25.18 | rue_home | hahah |
| 16:25.39 | rue_home | cinelerra: Illegal instruction |
| 16:25.50 | rue_home | *sigh* |
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| 16:27.48 | rue_home | why cant it tell me why |
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| 16:29.14 | nuke | i have compiled pine from source and now i have one folder of executables...there is no make insall script in it...so am i supposed to copy thr excecutable files to /usr/local or whereever? |
| 16:29.17 | tonsofpcs | because it depends? ;) |
| 16:29.17 | clarity_ | how do you check the version of a package/ |
| 16:29.31 | tonsofpcs | clarity_: one you have installed or one on an apt repository? |
| 16:29.36 | rue_home | clarity_, apt-policy |
| 16:29.43 | clarity_ | one I have installed |
| 16:29.51 | tonsofpcs | rue_home: maybe try installing kdenlive and kdelibs4c2a at once? |
| 16:29.54 | rue_home | clarity_, apt-pllicy |
| 16:30.02 | clarity_ | okay thanks |
| 16:30.31 | tonsofpcs | i don't see either of them in my apt repos thoug |
| 16:30.33 | tonsofpcs | h |
| 16:30.46 | rue_home | but should I haave to follow through all the dependencies myself? |
| 16:31.02 | rue_home | apt-get install kdenlive kdelibs4c2a libmlt++0 libmlt0 |
| 16:31.03 | rue_home | libmlt0: Depends: libxfixes3 but it is not going to be installe |
| 16:31.05 | tonsofpcs | it's probably just that one that you need |
| 16:31.14 | tonsofpcs | or maybe not |
| 16:31.33 | rue_home | this is apts job, why do i have to do it |
| 16:31.52 | tonsofpcs | are you sure that those packages are available? |
| 16:32.15 | rue_home | I'm STILL MANUALLY adding dependecies |
| 16:32.29 | clarity_ | apt-policy doesn't exist |
| 16:32.34 | tonsofpcs | yes, i saw that, but are you sure that apt knows where those dependencies are? |
| 16:32.35 | rue_home | apt-get install kdenlive kdelibs4c2a libmlt++0 libmlt0 libxfixes3 x11-common xbase-clients |
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| 16:32.46 | rue_home | clarity_, apt-get install apt-policy |
| 16:33.04 | tonsofpcs | i don't see kdenlive or kdelibs4c2a in apt-cache search or show |
| 16:33.06 | rue_home | you might want apt-file later too |
| 16:33.07 | cydork | nuke : why dont you use apt-src or something? |
| 16:33.11 | clarity_ | doesn't exist in unstable |
| 16:33.28 | rue_home | so pull it from stable |
| 16:33.53 | rue_home | ugh, now it wantts to upgrade everything |
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| 16:35.13 | rue_home | did like X11 split into like a million packages? |
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| 16:35.55 | rue_home | xserver-xorg-video-s3 xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis |
| 16:36.04 | rue_home | I mean cmon, I can only have one of them cant I??? |
| 16:36.19 | rue_home | (I mean that withthe rest of the long list) |
| 16:36.20 | mc__ | ru, you can have more than one |
| 16:36.31 | tonsofpcs | lol |
| 16:36.35 | cydork | clarity : dpkg --status pine|grep Version |
| 16:36.36 | mc__ | s/ru/rue_home |
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| 16:36.48 | rue_home | well, I only do have one, and its nvidia |
| 16:36.54 | tonsofpcs | rue - are you sure that kdeswhateveritwas is available? |
| 16:37.08 | rue_home | ? |
| 16:37.08 | typewriter | dpkg --purge doesn't remove user and groups created by pkgs... how can i remove them short of manually doing it? |
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| 16:37.32 | rue_home | typewriter, I dont think deborphan is that good yes |
| 16:37.33 | rue_home | yet |
| 16:38.31 | rue_home | I'm really hesitant to upgrade X bcause its such a ***** to reconfigure |
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| 16:39.21 | nima | and what the hell is an aol user doing here? |
| 16:39.24 | rue_home | cups is also evil |
| 16:39.41 | rue_home | I'm probably going to regret this |
| 16:39.41 | nima | my printer is losing it |
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| 16:40.02 | tonsofpcs | rue_home: do it on a different machine |
| 16:40.13 | nima | what are you doing? |
| 16:40.21 | tonsofpcs | or just get that livecd audio/video thing |
| 16:40.23 | nima | screwing around with X? |
| 16:40.27 | tonsofpcs | dyne:bolic or something |
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| 16:40.45 | tonsofpcs | i think it has kdenlive now |
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| 16:43.52 | nazgul | hi. while ./configuring a program "Package x11 was not found in the pkg-config search path." what package to install? libx11-dev is already installed |
| 16:44.13 | nazgul | debian testing |
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| 16:46.04 | rue_home | I suppose if I upgrade it now, it'll support whatever new card I'm gonna get when this one dies |
| 16:46.19 | evilbulgarian | hi, why did kernel 2.6.17 break support for the megaraid i4 ide raid card which was in the old megaraid driver? |
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| 16:46.39 | ruru | salut |
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| 16:47.08 | stew | nazgul: libx11-dev should in fact provide x11.pc, what are you trying to compile? |
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| 16:47.19 | rue_home | evilbulgarian, compile yer own |
| 16:47.29 | ruru | l'heure est grave ... je ne vois plus les cam des gens sur amsn j'ai installé kopete, c'est pareil avant que je mette a jour vers la testing ca marchait bien avec amns |
| 16:47.32 | ruru | amsn |
| 16:47.35 | ruru | quelqu'u a une idée ? |
| 16:47.38 | stew | !fr |
| 16:47.38 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr (irc.debian.org) |
| 16:47.43 | nazgul | stew: libXrender |
| 16:47.56 | nazgul | for my custom Gnome build |
| 16:48.05 | stew | nazgul: apt-get build-dep libxrender1 |
| 16:48.31 | stew | nazgul: if you really need to recompile it, why aren't you recompiling the debian pacakge? |
| 16:48.47 | tonsofpcs | hmmm, dynebolic has cinelerra and LiVEs |
| 16:49.22 | nazgul | stew: I am using jhbuild, an independent building system. Once it went fine but something must have changed |
| 16:49.44 | evilbulgarian | rue_home: what do u mean i need it inside the kernel to boot from |
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| 16:49.57 | linux2 | how do i play avi files on debian |
| 16:50.07 | linux2 | which package contains the plugins for xine? |
| 16:50.08 | blondie | !mplayer |
| 16:50.08 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 16:50.14 | blondie | I'd install that |
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| 16:50.22 | rue_home | "Major possible upgrade issues" hah... |
| 16:50.26 | rue_home | your telling ME |
| 16:50.39 | tonsofpcs | kdenlive is in the sid debian-multimedia |
| 16:50.44 | linux2 | where are the debs for xine avi plugins? |
| 16:50.45 | tarzeau | there's #mplayer |
| 16:51.00 | geeKISSexy | I just bought a 250GB hard drive. What would be the best way to partition it to get the best performance ? Or number of partitions don't affect the performance ?? |
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| 16:51.49 | DerJamster | geeKISSexy: not really, tho for a home box I suggest a partition for /, one swap and one /home. / should be around 5 gigs, swap should be around 1 gig, the rest for /home. |
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| 16:52.16 | jdhutchin1 | you'll want more than 5gb for /, esp with a 250gb hd... |
| 16:52.20 | geeKISSexy | DerJamster: Sorry, I didn't mention that it's an add-on drive connected to my laptop. |
| 16:52.30 | geeKISSexy | It's just for backups and builds.. |
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| 16:52.40 | geeKISSexy | Will a single partition be good ?? |
| 16:52.41 | jdhutchin1 | if you're not sure how you want to partition it, use lvm so you can change it in the future |
| 16:52.50 | DerJamster | jdhutchin1: why? a bigger hdd doesn't mean installation of a buhzillion apps? :> |
| 16:53.00 | jdhutchin1 | sure, but it's nice to have the room if you want it |
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| 16:53.07 | jdhutchin1 | better too big than too small |
| 16:53.08 | DerJamster | *g* I guess. |
| 16:53.14 | clarity_ | new version of fglrx fixed it |
| 16:53.23 | nazgul | stew: thanks I need to enable deb-src entries |
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| 16:54.10 | nima | cups doesn't suck anymore |
| 16:54.16 | nima | the web interface is kinda nice |
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| 16:54.41 | linux2 | where are the win32 xine codecs? |
| 16:54.43 | rue_home | so your saying it'd be painless to hook up my canon bj-200? |
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| 16:55.27 | clarity_ | how do you change the default display manager? |
| 16:55.33 | nima | it should be pretty easy, yeah |
| 16:56.07 | Coweater | clarity_: remove the one you don't want and install the other |
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| 16:56.29 | rue_home | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.0.22_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:56.29 | rue_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.30 | linux2 | does no one know |
| 16:56.32 | clarity_ | eh, I have both installed |
| 16:56.34 | Coweater | linux2: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
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| 16:56.54 | dswillia74437 | hey all this is a total n00b debian question, but I thought I would ask, I downloaded a VMware image of a project built on debian, when I login to the box if I type cd /etc/network it shows on screen as -etc-network as well as when I try to type ":" I get a N with a squigley on top of it. The only thing I can figure is the keyboard layout is different, but I dont know where to change it, any help? |
| 16:57.02 | nuke | linux2:you would be better off installing mplayer with its codec pack i guess |
| 16:57.22 | Qball | my debian sarge install keeps hanning on testing apt-sources security.debian.org 128.101.240.212 |
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| 16:57.47 | Qball | I know a non-working ystem can be very secure |
| 16:57.47 | Qball | but not realy what I have in mind |
| 16:57.47 | apfel | Does anyone know where I could find a debian package for galax? |
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| 16:57.47 | Coweater | clarity_: change /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 16:57.53 | clarity_ | thanks |
| 16:58.22 | nuke | Qball why not remove security.debian.org from your apt list? |
| 16:58.32 | Qball | it goes wrong on base-setup |
| 16:58.46 | Qball | and the base-setup hangs... but yeah, let me try that (I can ping the host fine) |
| 16:59.10 | stew | rue_home: what version of ucbmpeg-play do you have installed? |
| 16:59.16 | nuke | Qball if it hangs during setup..nevermind....wait about 5-10 mins...it will timeout itself and installation will continue |
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| 17:00.07 | Qball | nuke: I waited 80 minutes. |
| 17:00.12 | Qball | but just restarted and changed it |
| 17:00.14 | Qball | now its going |
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| 17:00.22 | paines | hi |
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| 17:03.37 | linux2 | ok i installed w32codecs |
| 17:03.40 | linux2 | but still it wont work |
| 17:03.41 | paines | any sdl maintainers around ? i am failing to compile an app which uses the SDL X11_KeyToUnicode Function, and linking fails with an unresolved symbol to X11_KeyToUnicode. the libsdl.a shows X11_KeyToUnicode symbol, but the .so isn't. |
| 17:03.42 | linux2 | i get this error |
| 17:03.45 | linux2 | xine: couldn't find demux for |
| 17:03.52 | linux2 | xine: found input plugin : file input plugin |
| 17:04.00 | linux2 | how do i fix this |
| 17:04.00 | linux2 | ? |
| 17:04.43 | nuke | linux2 copy paste the error in google OR use mplayer+codecs |
| 17:04.48 | gravity | paines: Your best bet is to check the libsdl bug list and file one if there isn't one for the issue |
| 17:05.10 | gravity | paines: Relatively few of the 1000+ maintainers hang around in here |
| 17:05.13 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm trying to set up a decent refresh rate on my monitor - unfortunately 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' fails with the following error : "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized". How can I solve this ? |
| 17:05.29 | linux2 | nuke, but that won't work with xine |
| 17:05.32 | paines | gravity, i did that. wanted to clarify before I report it. You know, maybe one is around |
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| 17:05.39 | paines | :-) |
| 17:05.43 | linux2 | i want to play it in kaffeine |
| 17:05.44 | gravity | Jemt: Don't worry about that line, that's not an issue. If your xorg.conf isn't being updated it's due to another known bug |
| 17:05.51 | gravity | Jemt: You may just have to edit the file by hand |
| 17:05.59 | gravity | paines: Yeah :-) |
| 17:06.00 | beepbeep9 | hey |
| 17:06.08 | nuke | im telling you to use mplayer insteaad of xine/kaff if you cant make tem run |
| 17:06.16 | Jemt | gravity: There is no bugfix available ? |
| 17:06.31 | gravity | Jemt: Not yet, sorry. |
| 17:06.44 | gravity | Jemt: If you'd like to find one and make a patch, I'd be greatful |
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| 17:06.52 | nuke | Jemt: try http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7094 |
| 17:07.12 | rue_home | I have to restart this thing, its getting tangled up, I might not be bck for a while if X dosn't work |
| 17:07.17 | rue_home | :( bye |
| 17:07.19 | Jemt | gravity: Ok, thanks alot |
| 17:07.27 | Jemt | nuke: Thanks, I'll check it out right away |
| 17:08.32 | hesco | Good morning. Can anyone here please advise me where I can find out how to set up a pccard hardware modem. I know about cu, wvdial, minicom and kppp. What I need is a way of determining what device node my modem has been assigned to. This is my first time trying to set up pccard services (pcmcia-cs) in 2.6 and I've floundered enough on this one. |
| 17:09.06 | linux2 | well this sucks that i can't use xine to play avi files |
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| 17:12.46 | Jemt | Hm, what Horizon- and Vertical refresh rate should I specify in order to get at least 800x600 @ 75Hz |
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| 17:14.02 | stew | Jemt: you should just specify the maximum for your monitor for each, unless your monitor is digitally connected, in which case omit them and let them be auto-detected |
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| 17:15.35 | Jemt | stew: It's an old 15" VGA monitor - unfortunately Google is not much of a help in finding the values. But I could just omit them ? |
| 17:15.53 | Jemt | stew: Ah, never mind. Applies to Digital monitors only |
| 17:15.59 | nuke | Jemt let the monitor fix the refresh rates itsel |
| 17:16.38 | Jemt | nuke: How ? By removing the values ? |
| 17:17.00 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 17:17.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 17:17.12 | nuke | Jemt :add this line in the monitors section and comment out the refrsh rates...Option "DPMS" |
| 17:17.14 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
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| 17:17.14 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 17:17.26 | Jemt | nuke: Ah, sweet. Thanks. I'll try that :) |
| 17:17.36 | FabParma | hi |
| 17:17.37 | Jemt | jetscreamer: `? |
| 17:17.43 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 17:17.51 | jetscreamer | self-explanatory |
| 17:18.49 | jetscreamer | i find googling just the model # helps also |
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| 17:19.08 | jetscreamer | or seems to return more valid results |
| 17:19.49 | Jemt | nuke: Thanks alot - using DPMS solved the problem - running at 1024x768 @ 85 Hz now - great :D |
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| 17:19.58 | keram | how do i restart avahi? |
| 17:19.59 | nuke | good |
| 17:20.20 | nuke | ull have to manually add higher resilutions if you want them |
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| 17:21.19 | jetscreamer | !tell tarzeau -about marillat |
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| 17:23.24 | paines | bye |
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| 17:34.17 | apfel | I'm trying to install galax via godi and it tells me /usr/bin/env: configure: No such file or directory |
| 17:34.22 | apfel | Any ideas? |
| 17:34.41 | jsn | /usr/bin/env progname is a different way to call programs |
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| 17:34.54 | jsn | I write all my perl scripts, for instance, with #!/usr/bin/env perl |
| 17:35.13 | itrebal | is anyone familiar with xmodmap? i'm attempting to utilize my volume up and volume down keys, but am having trouble (i don't understand how i use it) |
| 17:35.15 | jsn | That way the person's default perl will be called. Helps for portability |
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| 17:40.42 | jsmidt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.07 | azeem | jsmidt: how did you sign it? |
| 17:41.18 | jsmidt | gpg --clearsign |
| 17:41.40 | jsmidt | gpg --clearsign packagename |
| 17:41.47 | azeem | jsmidt: use debsign *.changes |
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| 17:42.56 | jsmidt | thanks |
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| 17:44.00 | jsmidt | azeem, now get an error: gpg: skipped "Joseph Smidt <jsmidt@byu.edu>": secret key not available |
| 17:44.14 | hesco | hwinfo shows: pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0 My question is: how do I determine what /dev/node that modem is connected to? |
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| 17:44.51 | azeem | jsmidt: probably the email on your gpg key and in *.changes do not match |
| 17:45.05 | jsmidt | thanks |
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| 17:45.28 | Liquid-Work | hi all |
| 17:45.33 | Liquid-Work | is xgl in sarge? |
| 17:45.44 | gravity | Liquid-Work: No |
| 17:45.50 | Liquid-Work | gravity hmmm |
| 17:45.54 | stew | Liquid-Work: no, it hasn't even been released by the xgl developers yet |
| 17:45.58 | zinx | it's not in sid either. |
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| 17:46.03 | Liquid-Work | erm |
| 17:46.16 | Liquid-Work | xgl has been in arch / gentoo for a while |
| 17:46.43 | gravity | They haven't made a proper release yet though. It's a CVS pull. It also requires a development version of mesa |
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| 17:46.57 | zinx | Liquid: yeah. there's a lot of complete shit in gentoo. |
| 17:47.00 | zinx | Liquid: :D |
| 17:47.02 | Liquid-Work | thanks guys |
| 17:47.12 | muttle1 | Liquid-Work: take a look at xorg 7.0 |
| 17:47.13 | Liquid-Work | eh I am not a supporter of gentoo |
| 17:47.33 | muttle1 | in gentoo latest update, broked alot of stuff |
| 17:47.50 | Liquid-Work | gentoo breaks alot of stuff |
| 17:47.51 | Liquid-Work | most of the time |
| 17:47.58 | Liquid-Work | ok now going to start a flame war |
| 17:47.58 | muttle1 | yeah, that too :) |
| 17:47.59 | Liquid-Work | :) |
| 17:48.16 | Liquid-Work | muttle1 xorg 7.0 does not offer shaddows |
| 17:48.19 | gravity | Liquid-Work: AIGLX should hit Debian sid sometime in the coming few weeks. That can be made to run compiz apparently |
| 17:48.20 | gravity | With work |
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| 17:48.38 | Liquid-Work | AIGLX will replace xgl |
| 17:48.42 | Liquid-Work | imo |
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| 17:48.59 | Liquid-Work | well I have a choice |
| 17:49.06 | dan_ | ok, x completely broken |
| 17:49.21 | Liquid-Work | fedora - gentoo - sarge - arch |
| 17:49.23 | rue_mohr | its screwed |
| 17:49.41 | azeem | rue_mohr: is it screwed or just completely broken? |
| 17:49.58 | Liquid-Work | muttle1 do you mind a omc? |
| 17:49.58 | Liquid-Work | errr |
| 17:49.59 | Liquid-Work | a pm? |
| 17:50.07 | muttle1 | nop |
| 17:50.25 | rue_mohr | ok, I say startx, like I'm used to, it pauses on "creating new athority file" and then makes like it cant connect to a service |
| 17:50.49 | rue_mohr | I dotn know anything about how *this* server setup works, so I dont know what it wants |
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| 17:51.08 | rue_mohr | it almost sounds like it cant start the x server |
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| 17:51.22 | Liquid-Work | rue_mohr whats the log say? |
| 17:51.29 | rue_mohr | nothing |
| 17:51.32 | Liquid-Work | erm |
| 17:51.38 | Liquid-Work | your joking right? |
| 17:51.51 | rue_mohr | unless I should be looking somewhere other than /var/log/Xfree86 |
| 17:52.05 | Liquid-Work | erm you running Xorg? |
| 17:52.13 | Liquid-Work | or something else? |
| 17:52.15 | rue_mohr | supposably |
| 17:52.23 | rue_mohr | there are no other X logs |
| 17:52.26 | Liquid-Work | I wish there was a alternative to Xorg |
| 17:52.34 | Liquid-Work | or Xfree |
| 17:52.41 | petemc | xgl |
| 17:52.43 | muttle1 | lol |
| 17:52.50 | gravity | kdrive |
| 17:53.04 | Liquid-Work | petemc xgl uses alot of xorg stuff |
| 17:53.11 | rue_mohr | do you kow how i even start to work this out? |
| 17:53.14 | Liquid-Work | and the fact that xgl is not in sarge |
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| 17:53.27 | azeem | rue_mohr: check the timestamp of the log |
| 17:53.49 | muttle1 | better empty it first |
| 17:53.55 | muttle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.03 | muttle1 | then try a startx |
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| 17:54.12 | Liquid-Work | ah let me ask this |
| 17:54.14 | rue_mohr | it ends just before I upgraded |
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| 17:54.24 | Liquid-Work | is there xcompmgr in sarge? |
| 17:54.32 | rue_mohr | there is no Xorg.log |
| 17:54.45 | gravity | Liquid-Work: Xgl wasn't vaguely useable when sarge was released |
| 17:54.51 | muttle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.54 | gravity | Liquid-Work: No, it's in testing though |
| 17:54.58 | rue_mohr | nope |
| 17:55.05 | Liquid-Work | gravity so I must move to sid from sarge? |
| 17:55.08 | azeem | rue_mohr: eh, /var/log/X* |
| 17:55.10 | gravity | erm.... |
| 17:55.10 | rue_mohr | the only X* in /var/log is XFree86* |
| 17:55.11 | gravity | wtf |
| 17:55.13 | azeem | check the timestamps, use the latest one |
| 17:55.15 | muttle1 | rue_mohr: it's broken as a package |
| 17:55.15 | muttle1 | ? |
| 17:55.20 | muttle1 | or it wont start? |
| 17:55.25 | rue_mohr | it wont start |
| 17:55.32 | gravity | Liquid-Work: To get xcompmgr? You can run etch. |
| 17:55.37 | rue_mohr | looks like there's a service it cant reach |
| 17:55.37 | gravity | Liquid-Work: I don't know about Xgl. |
| 17:55.52 | Liquid-Work | gravity but I am going to boot and install from a sarge disk |
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| 17:55.57 | muttle1 | but xcompmgr has nothing to do with xgl |
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| 17:56.04 | Liquid-Work | I know |
| 17:56.05 | muttle1 | is a composite manager for Xorg |
| 17:56.09 | Liquid-Work | note |
| 17:56.09 | muttle1 | and pretty much sux |
| 17:56.16 | Liquid-Work | I said |
| 17:56.17 | rue_mohr | I hope it dosn't take more than a day to get it working this time |
| 17:56.28 | gravity | Liquid-Work: That doesn't matter. You can move from a sarge base install to testing or unstable pretty trivially |
| 17:56.42 | Liquid-Work | gravity ok let me dump a install quick |
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| 17:57.02 | rue_mohr | connection refused (error 111) |
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| 17:57.15 | rue_mohr | unable to connect to X server |
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| 17:57.41 | rue_mohr | shall I try #Xorg or soemthing? |
| 17:57.52 | Liquid-Work | rue_mohr give me 15 minutes? |
| 17:57.56 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 17:58.12 | Liquid-Work | I wanna get sarge up |
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| 17:58.35 | Liquid-Work | gravity you can assure me I wount have stuff ups? |
| 17:58.55 | azeem | Liquid-Work: if you want xcompmgr, you sound like you want to have stuff ups |
| 17:59.08 | gravity | what? |
| 17:59.09 | Liquid-Work | heh |
| 17:59.13 | Liquid-Work | but sarge is soooooooo old |
| 17:59.20 | dvs | ha! |
| 17:59.31 | gravity | It's like a year old |
| 17:59.38 | Liquid-Work | yeah |
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| 17:59.44 | Liquid-Work | but most other distros have never packages |
| 18:00.03 | nima | how do i change the size of the grid in the GIMP? |
| 18:00.29 | gravity | Then use another distro if it suits your needs better. It may make you happier. |
| 18:00.45 | Liquid-Work | gravity using windows makes me happy |
| 18:00.45 | Liquid-Work | :P |
| 18:00.47 | Liquid-Work | lol |
| 18:00.47 | muttle1 | Liquid-Work: you could use unstable |
| 18:01.00 | muttle1 | never crashed |
| 18:01.05 | muttle1 | or done something weird |
| 18:01.05 | nima | or ubuntu :-P |
| 18:01.09 | muttle1 | pfft |
| 18:01.10 | muttle1 | sure |
| 18:01.15 | dusty-work | hey guys I have a wierd problem, I need to install the kernel headers for my kernel 2.6.17-1 so I can install the correct drivers for my graphics card (ATI Radeon x700 128mb) however when i run apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-1-all i get the following error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWovlo58.html .. im running debian unstable 3.1 |
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| 18:01.40 | Liquid-Work | brb |
| 18:01.49 | rue_mohr | k |
| 18:01.56 | nuke | for cut command..how do i set the delimiter argument to <tab> ? |
| 18:01.59 | Coweater | nima: image > configure grid |
| 18:01.59 | dusty-work | Is there a way to fix that error or can I install them some other way or something? |
| 18:02.12 | nima | thanks :-) |
| 18:02.38 | nima | dusty-work, try apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-1-all-i386 |
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| 18:05.34 | dusty-work | nima, http://rafb.net/paste/results/P1j6EW19.html |
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| 18:06.51 | nima | dusty-work, whats your architecture? |
| 18:07.38 | dusty-work | well its an acer ferrari 4000 running on an amd turion 64bit (but i installed normal debian 32bit because i wanna do some work with 32bit asm not 64bit) |
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| 18:07.47 | dusty-work | so its debian x86 |
| 18:07.48 | dusty-work | 32bit |
| 18:07.54 | dusty-work | however the processor is a 64bit |
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| 18:08.24 | nima | try apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-1-686 |
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| 18:08.30 | dusty-work | same problem |
| 18:08.37 | nima | whats it say? |
| 18:08.58 | dusty-work | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 18:08.58 | dusty-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.58 | dusty-work | E: Broken packages |
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| 18:09.32 | dusty-work | see I Have X working atm but when i run startx i get these horrible red lines across the screen (As if it messed up) then goes into it fine... |
| 18:09.32 | prudhvi | how do i know the list of packages that are installed on my box from Terminal ? |
| 18:09.36 | dusty-work | it breaks my heart to see them |
| 18:09.43 | dusty-work | so im trying to install the ati radeon drivers for it |
| 18:09.48 | wols | prudhvi: dpkg -l |
| 18:09.50 | dusty-work | which requires me to install kernel source |
| 18:09.52 | sepski | prudhvi, dpkg -la | grep ^ii |
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| 18:10.19 | wols | dusty-work: compile your own kernel then |
| 18:10.38 | prudhvi | sepski, what does the ending ii mean? |
| 18:10.56 | wols | it's a regex which finds lines beginning with "ii" |
| 18:10.58 | dusty-work | wols, hrm, know of agood tutorial that talks you through it? |
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| 18:11.07 | wols | but that's unecessary in this case |
| 18:11.08 | dusty-work | if i compile from source will i get headers etc automagically? |
| 18:11.11 | wols | !newbiedoc |
| 18:11.11 | dpkg | [newbiedoc] http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 18:11.16 | wols | !kp-mantra |
| 18:11.17 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 18:11.30 | sepski | prudhvi, dpkg -la will also list packages that's installed butnot configured or removed but not purged |
| 18:11.46 | dusty-work | dude |
| 18:11.51 | dusty-work | that is a wicked site, thanks for the link! |
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| 18:12.23 | Davey | Is there any way to find out which packages on my system are *not* compiled for generic i386? |
| 18:12.56 | wols | usually only kernel and possibly libc6 |
| 18:13.09 | wols | sometimes mplayer from marillat |
| 18:13.12 | Davey | are PIII and P4 the same arch? |
| 18:13.25 | wols | yes. i686 |
| 18:14.14 | prudhvi | sepski, thanks |
| 18:14.32 | dusty-work | hrm whats the program to add new apt-get sources? |
| 18:14.38 | dusty-work | i thought it was apt-setup? |
| 18:14.44 | wols | Davey: I meant kernel and libc6 are compiled for your arch. all others are generic |
| 18:14.51 | Davey | thans wols |
| 18:15.02 | wols | apt-setup has been eliminated. no clue why |
| 18:15.08 | dusty-work | that sucks |
| 18:15.23 | Davey | what arch is the Intel Core Duo out of interest :) |
| 18:15.29 | wols | i6i6 |
| 18:15.35 | clarity_ | this is really weird... my clock isn't setup right |
| 18:15.45 | wols | it's a P3 derivative with a few addons like 64bit and sse versions |
| 18:15.52 | wols | i686 |
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| 18:16.09 | sepski | i686 add -smp for multicore/HT support |
| 18:16.23 | bulio | is it possible to download a debian .iso, edit certain files, then compress it again as a .iso? |
| 18:16.26 | bulio | and would it work fine |
| 18:16.31 | dvs | sep: Duo Core has HT support?!? |
| 18:16.40 | wols | no, but core dual has 2 cores |
| 18:16.43 | dvs | I thought they got rid of that an NetBurst |
| 18:16.46 | sepski | dvs it have multiple cores it dosn't need HT |
| 18:16.55 | wols | and HT is SMP just like 2 cores are. logically at least |
| 18:17.00 | sepski | bulio, yes. |
| 18:17.03 | dvs | sepski: Yeah, it's not HT, it's true dual core |
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| 18:17.22 | wols | some EE versions might have HT |
| 18:17.22 | bulio | sepski: Can I do that with a debian live CD too? |
| 18:17.36 | wols | there are no debian live CDs |
| 18:17.38 | sepski | bulio, ihave never done it with a livecd, but i can't see why not |
| 18:17.43 | dvs | wols: HT is NOT true dual cores, it tries to behave like it |
| 18:17.48 | wols | and knoppix has a remastering howto |
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| 18:18.03 | wols | dvs: I know it, i said LOGICALLY, e.g. for the linux kernel |
| 18:18.11 | bulio | sepski: I'd need to remaster though |
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| 18:18.16 | clarity_ | how do you reconfigure the clock |
| 18:18.26 | wols | clarity_: which one? |
| 18:18.26 | sepski | wols perhaps not just yet... live.debian.net |
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| 18:18.39 | clarity_ | I guess the system |
| 18:18.50 | clarity_ | in xorg it says 5:14am kinda weird |
| 18:18.53 | wols | sepski: there are a SHITLOAD of debian projects. dosesn't mean they reach any release... |
| 18:19.02 | wols | use ntpdate |
| 18:19.07 | clarity_ | same thing with uptime |
| 18:19.07 | wols | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 18:19.11 | sepski | wols, hence the (not yet) :) |
| 18:19.30 | wols | for the hardware clock, look at hwclock |
| 18:20.22 | wols | clarity_: and make sure your timezone is set properly |
| 18:20.26 | hesco | Is there a channel dealing with pcmcia issues? |
| 18:20.43 | azeem | hesco: this one |
| 18:20.43 | clarity_ | wols: how do you do that? |
| 18:20.43 | azeem | for now |
| 18:20.59 | wols | tzconfig |
| 18:21.02 | dvs | hesco: as long as it is Debian related |
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| 18:21.44 | hesco | This is a debian notebook, 2.6, with pcmcia-cs and pcmcia-modules installed. |
| 18:22.02 | hesco | The modem is recognized on insertion or bootup. |
| 18:22.04 | dvs | Debian makes notebooks!?! |
| 18:22.17 | wols | yes, the rule! |
| 18:22.21 | azeem | dvs: please don't be too obtuse |
| 18:22.33 | hesco | My issue is that I don't know which device to point my ppp clients at. |
| 18:22.38 | azeem | hesco: so it's a pcmcia mdoem? |
| 18:22.42 | hesco | Any ideas azeem or dvs or anyone? |
| 18:22.58 | dvs | hesco: I've never owned a laptop |
| 18:22.58 | wols | ifconfig -a shows anything? |
| 18:23.02 | azeem | hesco: run dmesg after you insert it and see whether the last few lines mention a devidce |
| 18:23.06 | azeem | eh, device |
| 18:24.00 | hesco | azeem: |
| 18:24.01 | hesco | pccard: card ejected from slot 0 |
| 18:24.01 | hesco | pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0 |
| 18:24.01 | hesco | pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0 |
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| 18:24.16 | azeem | hesco: please paste to http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 18:24.43 | hesco | thought it might take three lines. apparently not. Did you see all three? |
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| 18:25.12 | hesco | azeem: ok, I have a pastebot ready for next time. |
| 18:25.42 | azeem | hesco: the "20:15 < hesco> azeem:" was the fourth |
| 18:25.53 | Mazingaro | is there any fix for kdeprint on unstable? |
| 18:26.10 | azeem | Mazingaro: did you check the bug tracking system? |
| 18:26.14 | hesco | azeem: so then you saw the three lines from the tail of dmesg, then? |
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| 18:26.20 | azeem | yes |
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| 18:26.32 | azeem | if that is all... hrm |
| 18:26.38 | hesco | does that give you any more clues than I'm abale to derive from it? |
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| 18:26.50 | azeem | hesco: probably means it couldn't find a kernel driver for it |
| 18:26.51 | Mazingaro | azeem: not yet, last time it told that the bug was solved, but solution never worked for me |
| 18:27.05 | azeem | hesco: run "lsmod | grep _cs", does that return anything? |
| 18:27.10 | wols | registering new device pcmcia0.0 |
| 18:27.13 | wols | what about that? |
| 18:27.30 | hesco | azeem: nada |
| 18:27.32 | azeem | wols: is that a modem device? |
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| 18:27.51 | wols | it sounds like a network device |
| 18:27.55 | azeem | sounds like a generic "there's a pcmcia card inserted here" to me |
| 18:27.57 | azeem | hrm |
| 18:28.20 | jelly-home | Hi, if anyone uses Opera 9 and has sounds enabled, can you check w/ lsof if your Opera leaks fds? Mine has opened a was file about 300 times. |
| 18:28.31 | jelly-home | wav file |
| 18:28.34 | azeem | hesco: can you paste the output of "cardctl info", please? |
| 18:28.41 | azeem | (to a pastebin) |
| 18:28.45 | hesco | azeem, coming your way |
| 18:29.50 | azeem | hesco: did you /msg it to me? |
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| 18:30.25 | hesco | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3040 |
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| 18:30.46 | hesco | no, I didn't /msg it. |
| 18:30.52 | azeem | ok |
| 18:34.00 | azeem | hesco: lsmod | grep serial? |
| 18:34.16 | hesco | azeem: can I at least assume that the kernel is doing what it needs to do here? In other words, is this a userspace issue now? I've built close to a dozen kernels in the last day or so. |
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| 18:34.35 | hesco | lsmod | grep serial returns nothing |
| 18:34.55 | azeem | hesco: uname -r? |
| 18:36.01 | hesco | azeem: 2.6.16.20-13 |
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| 18:36.32 | yang | I would like to delete address: eth0:110: Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:DC:29:8B:61 ; UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 18:36.42 | azeem | hesco: you can try to `modprobe serial_cs' maybe, and see whether dmesg says anything interested about new devices |
| 18:36.45 | azeem | but I doubt it |
| 18:37.13 | hesco | azeem: This may be the issue: Module serial_cs not found. |
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| 18:38.33 | azeem | hesco: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/serial/serial* |
| 18:38.37 | azeem | nothing |
| 18:38.38 | azeem | ? |
| 18:38.46 | azeem | hesco: did you compile the kernel yourself |
| 18:38.51 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: he builds them for sarge? |
| 18:39.25 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: besides the url is broken |
| 18:39.34 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: don't tell me about marillat, it never worked for me |
| 18:39.52 | tarzeau | nor did i ask about help for mplayer (not in #debian at least) |
| 18:40.03 | hesco | azeem: yes, about a dozen times on this issue alone. |
| 18:40.10 | wols | tarzeau: you must be the only one with problems with his builds :) |
| 18:40.19 | hesco | I see no serial directory at: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/ |
| 18:40.26 | tarzeau | wols: i have always built it myself, and i'll keep doing so |
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| 18:40.30 | hesco | you may be on to something. |
| 18:40.35 | tarzeau | wols: the url of marillat factoid works for you? |
| 18:40.40 | tarzeau | wols: i just tried and got 550 |
| 18:40.47 | azeem | hesco: indeed |
| 18:40.50 | wols | ah |
| 18:40.55 | wols | haven't tried lately |
| 18:41.00 | azeem | hesco: what version of Debian are you running |
| 18:41.01 | azeem | ? |
| 18:41.06 | hesco | ok, then, how do I proceed to install it. |
| 18:41.11 | wols | but "never worked" is a bit harsh :) |
| 18:41.49 | hesco | This is a net install done about two or three weeks ago. Kernel source on this kernel came from upstream, though I've also pulled kernel source out of apt-get as well |
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| 18:42.18 | azeem | hesco: which version of debian? stable, testing or unstable? |
| 18:42.42 | azeem | hesco: anyway, I recommend using the stock kernel, or fixing your custom kernel to include serial support for pcmcia |
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| 18:42.57 | azeem | I don't compile Linux kernel anymore for a couple of years, so I won't be able to help you |
| 18:43.03 | hesco | It started as stable, but I dropped to testing in order to try and make gtkam work (but without success, I wound up writing a gphoto2 crib script for my client). |
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| 18:44.03 | hesco | azeem, thanks for your time and thoughts on this issue. I guess I'm back to menuconfig again on this one. |
| 18:45.05 | stew | hesco: have you tried a debian kernel? |
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| 18:45.44 | hesco | I tried the 2.4.27 with its matching pcmcia-modules |
| 18:45.47 | Supaplex | they're tasty and delicious |
| 18:46.17 | hesco | I was getting tired of mounting the 2.6 learning curve on my client's job |
| 18:46.30 | justice | i want to run opera/32bit on sid/amd64, but opera claims libX11.so.6 is missing... |
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| 18:46.44 | justice | i have that lib (64bit) what do i habe to do |
| 18:46.44 | hesco | But I have been unable to build a 2.4 that would consistently boot for some reason |
| 18:46.46 | azeem | hesco: you're running a 2.6 kernel now anyway... |
| 18:46.56 | hesco | azeem: yes, I am |
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| 18:50.52 | hesco | I just pasted Kernel Options: PCCard (PCMCIA/CardBus) support at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3041. Can someone with more experience building kernels please advise if this looks right? And where I might find the option to build a cs_serial module? |
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| 18:52.07 | rohan | well, how does debian plan to upgrade to glibc 2.4, which drops all support for kernel 2.4.x ? |
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| 18:52.55 | dvs | rohan: Really? That's a bit extreme (dropping all 2.4 support)? |
| 18:53.07 | Seb | hesco: why not run a debian precompiled kernel image ? |
| 18:53.09 | rohan | yes, dvs |
| 18:53.33 | Supaplex | rohan: but when? what's the scoup? |
| 18:53.33 | rohan | though imo debian should also drop support for 2.4 :P its obsolete now .. tho' thats deviating from the original Q :D |
| 18:54.17 | clarity_ | how can you display the packages that are installed? |
| 18:54.24 | hesco | Seb: my client wants usb mouse and camera, pcmcia, sound, a cd burner, etc on this Toshiba. Will a Debian kernel handle all of that? |
| 18:54.27 | dvs | rohan: etch has |
| 18:54.34 | azeem | hesco: eh |
| 18:54.37 | Supaplex | clarity_: dpkg -l |
| 18:54.46 | rohan | dvs: :o etch dropped support for kernel 2.4.x ? |
| 18:54.51 | azeem | hesco: you should know that yourself if you're doing professional support, no? |
| 18:55.09 | dvs | rohan: Well, it doesn't have any 2.4 kernel packages anymore |
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| 18:55.13 | hesco | I went upstream because the stock kernel wasn;t doing the job |
| 18:55.30 | rohan | dvs: what are the packages named ? i cant believe this :S |
| 18:55.49 | dvs | rohan: linux-image-.... |
| 18:56.13 | dvs | rohan: I guess you need to go to packages.debian.org and search all of etch |
| 18:56.23 | nostalg1c | hmm |
| 18:56.28 | asg | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 sid |
| 18:56.32 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-12 (sid), Packaged size: 10791 kB, Installed size: 28992 kB |
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| 18:56.41 | rohan | yes, i did packages.debian.org/glibc no result |
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| 18:56.45 | signuts | Where do I see the URL' |
| 18:56.50 | rohan | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 etch |
| 18:56.55 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-12 (etch), Packaged size: 10791 kB, Installed size: 28992 kB |
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| 18:56.57 | azeem | rohan: packages.debian.org/src:glibc |
| 18:56.57 | signuts | oops. Where do I see the URLs for debian testing distribution |
| 18:57.16 | Supaplex | signuts: what do you mean see the urls? |
| 18:57.17 | rohan | thanks, azeem |
| 18:57.37 | signuts | Supaplex, the lines I put into sources.list |
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| 18:58.11 | rohan | You have searched for source packages that names contain linux-image in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 18:58.12 | rohan | wtf ?! |
| 18:58.44 | Gnea | uhm |
| 18:59.04 | clarity_ | is there a way to setup ntp so it updates that hw clock |
| 18:59.07 | Supaplex | signuts: man sources.list. apt-spy can help to. |
| 18:59.19 | signuts | Supaplex, cool |
| 18:59.26 | clarity_ | so if I'm not connected to the internet on boot it doesn't have a weird time |
| 18:59.31 | rohan | my bad :D |
| 19:00.14 | nostalg1c | i had 4 SATA disks installed and one PATA, i added a promise card with 4 extra PATA disks and now linux can't find my sata disks anymore (sd[a-d]).. bios sees all the disks, linux only sees the pata ones.. no kernel changes between the hardware change |
| 19:00.23 | Supaplex | clarity_: but you only need to boot once. ;) |
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| 19:00.44 | clarity_ | Supaplex it's a laptop |
| 19:00.44 | wols | Supaplex: depends on the powercompany |
| 19:00.47 | Gnea | nostalg1c: kernel doesn't know about the new hardware chipset |
| 19:01.04 | Supaplex | I thought the hw clock was set on shutdown |
| 19:01.08 | wols | clarity_: cool. then power company doesn't matter! |
| 19:01.13 | nostalg1c | Gnea, the newly installed drives are recognized without a problem, it's the sata drives that were already there (and working) that disappeared! |
| 19:01.14 | hesco | ok, I'll try this again then, with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 19:01.30 | Gnea | nostalg1c: so the kernel will have to be informed of the changes |
| 19:01.55 | wols | Gnea: how? |
| 19:02.04 | wols | boot parameters? |
| 19:02.05 | Supaplex | nostalg1c: my mainboard and promise card needed a firmware updates before scsi/onboard ata/extra ata all played along nice. |
| 19:02.11 | nostalg1c | Gnea, what would i need to change then? i normally know my way around the kernel a bit but i have no idea what i have to change in order to fix this |
| 19:02.16 | nostalg1c | Supaplex, aha! |
| 19:02.32 | nostalg1c | Supaplex, i'll take a look on their website |
| 19:02.52 | clarity_ | man, I need to make a battery backup for my wrt |
| 19:02.59 | clarity_ | and put in that sd card :-) |
| 19:03.02 | nostalg1c | hmm actually it'll have to be the promise, because the onboard ide & extra sata controller already played along nicely |
| 19:03.20 | nostalg1c | so basically it's 2 pci controllers (sata vs pata) that might be fighting? perhaps a conflict? how would i know this? |
| 19:03.28 | Gnea | nostalg1c: see if you can get your bios to treat the onboard sata as pata |
| 19:03.35 | Supaplex | nostalg1c: don't get too excited until it all works. :) it was quite a pain. |
| 19:03.35 | nostalg1c | sorry for my excessive use of the question mark :) |
| 19:03.44 | nostalg1c | Gnea, there is no onboard sata, it's pata |
| 19:04.27 | Gnea | nostalg1c: either or |
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| 19:05.13 | nostalg1c | gnea? |
| 19:05.31 | Gnea | nostalg1c: if you can't go from sata to pata, can you go from pata to sata? |
| 19:05.41 | stormrider_may | Does anyone have a running irc server with debian? |
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| 19:06.05 | nostalg1c | i'll take a look, but i doubt it, when i bought this mobo sata wasn't really hot yet |
| 19:06.08 | rohan | indeed, great the fact that debian removed all linux-image-2.4 packages atleast :) |
| 19:06.18 | nostalg1c | the thing is my bios recognizes all drives without a problem |
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| 19:06.23 | Supaplex | stormrider_may: what kind of question is that? well ofcourse there are people that do! |
| 19:06.23 | Gnea | nostalg1c: using a newer kernel might help too |
| 19:06.41 | nostalg1c | i'll upgrade that one too, but its pretty recent |
| 19:06.43 | clarity_ | how do you change the time zone? |
| 19:06.49 | Gnea | nostalg1c: yeah well, you're using 2.6.8 off of the sarge installer, right? |
| 19:06.55 | Gnea | clarity_: tzconfig |
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| 19:07.08 | nostalg1c | Gnea, i almost don't dare to say, i'm running the ubuntu dapper one |
| 19:07.10 | nostalg1c | *ducks* |
| 19:07.24 | nostalg1c | 2.6.15 that is |
| 19:07.27 | Gnea | nostalg1c: we don't support that crap here :) |
| 19:07.32 | clarity_ | weird... my hardware clock is setup right and it's in the right time zone |
| 19:07.35 | clarity_ | but it's not working right |
| 19:07.43 | clarity_ | it's 6 hours off |
| 19:07.44 | nostalg1c | that's what i was ducking for :s |
| 19:08.14 | Gnea | nostalg1c: you can't avoid it now ;) |
| 19:08.25 | stormrider_may | Supaplex: i'm trying to setup dancer-ircd with services but i always get this error -> Server Error: Closing Link: (Server Exists) from the dancer-services |
| 19:08.31 | nostalg1c | any excuses that usually work? ;) |
| 19:09.00 | Gnea | nostalg1c: so you're trying to install ubuntu on it instead of real debian? or just trying to use ubuntu to figure it out for the real debian? |
| 19:09.23 | wols | nostalg1c: total subservience and immediate install of debian stable |
| 19:09.29 | row | when playing dvd with mplayer whats the shortcut key to change the audio language? |
| 19:09.38 | nostalg1c | Gnea, actually, i was running the ubuntu server edition out of curiosity ('my other boxes are debians!') and everything worked fine, so i was happy |
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| 19:10.16 | Gnea | nostalg1c: ubuntu is, quite honstly, complete and utter crap. the only really decent based-off-debian distro seems to be kanotix. |
| 19:10.25 | Gnea | !kanotix |
| 19:10.25 | dpkg | i heard kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 19:11.03 | row | ah -alang |
| 19:11.05 | Gnea | nostalg1c: i've seen kanotix do what ubuntu can't or won't |
| 19:11.30 | nostalg1c | Gnea, do the distro's really differ on this level? i mean, isn't it all hardware, kernel and modules ? |
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| 19:12.04 | Gnea | nostalg1c: it's how the distro uses them all |
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| 19:12.17 | Gnea | nostalg1c: yeah, there's a big difference. go see for yourself. |
| 19:12.56 | nostalg1c | hmz |
| 19:12.58 | wols | Gnea: kanotix is still a live distro no? |
| 19:13.05 | wols | meaning not really updates, support, etc |
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| 19:13.39 | Gnea | wols: it's a live distro, and it's constantly updated, meaning that they use a lot of newer versions of software from sid in it |
| 19:14.17 | Gnea | wols: plus the people who make it have a lot better debian experience than the ubuntu developers seem to have |
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| 19:14.21 | MoDaX | ubuntu has diverged from debian too much (mostly in not so good direction) |
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| 19:14.45 | clarity_ | a lot of people love ubuntu |
| 19:14.53 | Gnea | that's nice. |
| 19:14.59 | nostalg1c | Gnea, the thing is, i'm really not looking forward to installing a new distro and then setting up everything again, so if possible i'd like to rule out fixing this in ubuntu first |
| 19:15.00 | Jamster | It's all about choice and personal preference. |
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| 19:15.08 | nostalg1c | there must be a better way than to "just install debian and hope it works" :s |
| 19:15.09 | MoDaX | ubuntu == big money == marketing :) |
| 19:15.12 | Seb | hesco: sure will |
| 19:15.14 | clarity_ | it kinda reminded me of redhat back in the day though |
| 19:15.31 | Seb | hesco: debian kernels have everything compiled in/as a module, that's the whole point. |
| 19:15.36 | Gnea | nostalg1c: keep your head buried in the sand then, lemme know when you find a solution. |
| 19:15.57 | redir | nostalg1c: you try #ubuntu? |
| 19:16.25 | nostalg1c | redir, ofcourse, but there's way too much noise and too little people paying attention to me (read: none) |
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| 19:16.59 | azeem | nostalg1c: ask again later then |
| 19:17.06 | azeem | nostalg1c: or post to the Ubuntu forums |
| 19:17.11 | nostalg1c | good point |
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| 19:17.34 | hostix | hey |
| 19:17.36 | hostix | im making a shutcut in KDE the command is "konqueror sftp://*****.no-ip.org" but when i click on it konquerors opens but i get "An error occurred while loading sftp://******.no-ip.org:" |
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| 19:18.25 | patrickj | is the debian install process any where as near as hard as gentoo is? |
| 19:18.42 | azeem | patrickj: how should we know? |
| 19:18.45 | azeem | just try it |
| 19:18.52 | redir | patrickj: no |
| 19:18.56 | patrickj | alright |
| 19:19.19 | patrickj | does the kernel get auto configed, because im using a scsi drive and it seems to not have best support :P |
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| 19:19.31 | Zeroth404 | Anyone: why would /deb/hda be hd0,0 and hdb be hd1,0 when I install-grub, but then hda be hd1,0 and hdb be hd0,0 when I boot? |
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| 19:20.44 | Seb | hostix: #kde, #debian-kde |
| 19:20.47 | Coweater | Zeroth404: bios ordering vs kernel's module loading |
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| 19:21.27 | Seb | patrickj: debian kernels have everything in already, there's no auto-config; but yeah, the modules for your HW should be auto-loaded |
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| 19:21.46 | patrickj | Seb: alright sounds good, because im currently using ubuntu and its bloated XD |
| 19:21.55 | Zeroth404 | ColdFyre, how do I resoilve that? |
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| 19:22.01 | patrickj | ill prolly do a practice install in VMWare or something |
| 19:22.08 | Gnea | Zeroth404: because you didn't define them in /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 19:22.31 | Zeroth404 | Gnea, oh they are defined.... |
| 19:22.34 | kingspawn | If I apt-get install kde, is there a quick and clean way I can have apt-get remove the whole shebang again? |
| 19:22.38 | Gnea | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 19:22.44 | Gnea | (hd1) /dev/hdb |
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| 19:22.49 | Zeroth404 | Gnea, but why would bios have changed that? |
| 19:22.53 | Zeroth404 | Gnea, it used to boot fine |
| 19:22.56 | ColdFyre | Zeroth404: ? |
| 19:22.59 | wols | !remove kde |
| 19:22.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 19:23.05 | loopdee | anyones openoffice crash when saving anything ? |
| 19:23.07 | Gnea | Zeroth404: i don't know, but that's the solution. |
| 19:23.15 | kingspawn | wols: thank you very much :) |
| 19:23.23 | Gnea | loopdee: only if there isn't any disk space left |
| 19:23.54 | loopdee | heh |
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| 19:24.30 | loopdee | everything was working fine, then a few days ago , whenever i save a document in any format, it crashes... hmmmmm |
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| 19:25.34 | MoDaX | loopdee: sid? |
| 19:25.54 | loopdee | sarge, with ooo 2.0.3 |
| 19:26.10 | loopdee | i think it may have to do with fonts for some reason, but i may be wrong |
| 19:26.21 | loopdee | i used the rpms with alien |
| 19:27.14 | MoDaX | loopdee: install debs |
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| 19:27.28 | loopdee | backports? |
| 19:27.54 | nostalg1c | Gnea, is there some debian live-cd kinda thing that i could boot to see if debian finds the drives? |
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| 19:28.38 | MoDaX | loopdee: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org but there is no 2.0.3 yet. only 2.0.3rc7 |
| 19:28.39 | loopdee | should i use freetype or xtt for x truetype backend ? |
| 19:28.53 | gravity | freetype |
| 19:28.57 | hesco | Seb, Azeem, Stew: thanks. That moved me forward on the modem. The debian stock kernel recognized the modem at /dev/ttyS0, permitting wvdial and kppp to find it. Now I'm working through connection issues. I also have the usb mouse still, it recognized the camera. It seems I only have to rebuild now for the alsa drivers. |
| 19:29.12 | loopdee | ill check out that url |
| 19:30.26 | Gnea | nostalg1c: kanotix uses grub |
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| 19:31.12 | nostalg1c | Gnea, implying.. ? |
| 19:31.17 | nostalg1c | i feel like a dumbass :s |
| 19:31.27 | clarity_ | man... what does "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" mean |
| 19:31.33 | clarity_ | from hwclock --hctosys |
| 19:31.52 | hesco | That's weird. kppp's log indicates a CONNECT, but ifconfig gives me no new interface for ppp |
| 19:32.26 | patrickj | is there a debian gnome package? |
| 19:32.41 | patrickj | or do I just do sudo apt-get install gnome ? |
| 19:32.50 | MoDaX | loopdee: freetype |
| 19:32.59 | Jamster | patrickj: apt-cache search -n gnome |
| 19:33.35 | patrickj | okay |
| 19:33.48 | dvs | hesco: you may have to login to start PPP |
| 19:34.15 | hesco | dvs: log in to what? |
| 19:34.30 | dvs | hesco: Log into the ISP. |
| 19:34.42 | Seb | hesco: you shouldn't have to rebuild anything, alsa is in 2.6 |
| 19:34.46 | MoDaX | hesco: is your user in dialout group? |
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| 19:35.46 | Zeroth404 | Gnea, just so you know, my hard disk boot priority was Slave, then Master. I have no idea how that changed, but that was the source of the problem. |
| 19:35.54 | LinuxHelp | okay, I'm setting up software raid with mdadm, but there is no /dev/md0 for me to run it on, how do I get that file? (2.6.15 debs/testing) |
| 19:36.17 | rue_mohr | so , Broken X |
| 19:36.25 | rue_mohr | and I cant scroll up in Bitchx |
| 19:37.08 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: did you do mdadm --create ? |
| 19:37.26 | mage__ | rue_mohr: pg up/down dont work in BitchX? |
| 19:37.33 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, thats what I'm trying to do, but it says /dev/md0 doesnt exists |
| 19:37.34 | rue_mohr | ahh |
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| 19:38.09 | rue_mohr | ok, x cant start its server or soemthing |
| 19:38.16 | rue_mohr | wonder where I start with that |
| 19:38.30 | rue_mohr | I hate upgrading X, breaks on me every time |
| 19:38.45 | patrickj | hmm |
| 19:38.51 | LinuxHelp | mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 19:38.53 | mc__ | rue_mohr, your carma must be bad |
| 19:38.59 | war95 | Does anyone here have a Gigabyte Quad Royal SLI motherboard? |
| 19:39.05 | hesco | MoDaX: yes, my user is a member of dialout |
| 19:39.11 | mc__ | rue_mohr, upgrading runs without problems for me all the time |
| 19:39.22 | war95 | LinuxHelp: SW RAID rules, I am looking at the gigabyte quad sli motherboard to have 12x drives on using SW raid |
| 19:39.28 | rue_mohr | mc__ I upgraded X and now it cant start, errorno 111 |
| 19:39.31 | LinuxHelp | :O |
| 19:39.36 | LinuxHelp | whoa |
| 19:39.39 | hesco | MoDaX: and dialout has group rw on the dev/ttyS0 device. |
| 19:39.43 | war95 | btw you don't get md0, you make it |
| 19:39.52 | war95 | LinuxHelp: mdadm --create /dev/md0 /dev/hda1 /dev/hdc1 |
| 19:39.56 | war95 | need --raid-level etc |
| 19:40.03 | LinuxHelp | mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
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| 19:40.28 | war95 | ya. |
| 19:40.31 | LinuxHelp | and then I get that error |
| 19:40.34 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.35 | war95 | what error |
| 19:40.40 | war95 | and I told you foo |
| 19:40.43 | war95 | you need 3 partitions |
| 19:40.44 | LinuxHelp | mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 19:40.50 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.56 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.58 | war95 | (one or the other) |
| 19:41.02 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.16 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: is sw raid stuff compiled into the kernel? |
| 19:41.18 | war95 | LinuxHelp: odd, you are running testing? |
| 19:41.20 | war95 | and that |
| 19:41.40 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, how can I check? (2.6.15 debian/testing) |
| 19:42.09 | hesco | Seb: I'm getting the errors at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3043 when I attempt to use ALSA. Any ideas what that may be about? |
| 19:42.23 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: if it's debian kernel, then it's fine |
| 19:42.56 | LinuxHelp | and I am su.. so |
| 19:43.00 | dvs | hesco: did you run alsaconf? |
| 19:43.10 | hesco | no, I'll try that. |
| 19:43.27 | wols | hesco: no soundcard or at least not the one you think you have for example. or not loading alsa in the first place |
| 19:43.51 | LinuxHelp | Also, I should say that I'm running "udev", but I assume thats very default |
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| 19:44.46 | LinuxHelp | war95: and I dont believe in partioning! |
| 19:45.11 | Seb | hesco: it means you didn't choose the right alsa driver for your sound card |
| 19:45.25 | dvs | Seb: if he did at all |
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| 19:45.59 | hesco | dvs, wols: alsaconf recognizes no cards. lspci says: 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 (rev 02), which has worked fine when building alsa from upstream. This notebook is the first machines that hasn't install ALSA from apt-get successfully in nearly a year of doing this business, perhaps 15 or 20 machines so far. |
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| 19:47.01 | dvs | hesco: Well, update-pciids will take care of the "Unknown device" at least but audio probably still won't work |
| 19:47.02 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: modprobe raid1 |
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| 19:47.36 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: and execute that --create then |
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| 19:47.46 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, still same error, even after a "successful" modprobe raid1 |
| 19:47.56 | LinuxHelp | and I tried modprobe md as well |
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| 19:48.33 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: very odd |
| 19:48.51 | LinuxHelp | indeed, I get that a lot with my linux installs 8) |
| 19:49.21 | clarity_ | hmm where does the rtc module get loaded? |
| 19:49.40 | SerajewelKS | clarity_: pretty early i think |
| 19:49.46 | loopdee | MoDax, i downloaded the one for EN, starting with a blank doc, i save as a template , create a table with 6 columns and 11 rows, enter text in the top row for the title of the columns, saving as i go, when i get to the last column and save it crashes |
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| 19:49.52 | hesco | Seb: using a stock Debian Kernel, how is it that I would "choose" ALSA drivers? I'm used to using the alsa-project.org soundcard matrix, to write a /etc/modutils/alsa file, which exists from the previous kernels. |
| 19:50.02 | LinuxHelp | man mdadm, says the cmd I entered should: "Create /dev/md0 as a RAID1 array consisting of /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdc1." |
| 19:50.06 | Seb | hesco: alsaconf, as you were told |
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| 19:50.21 | clarity_ | it's so odd... rtc is right |
| 19:50.21 | hesco | dvs: update-pciids ran, but did not affect the results |
| 19:50.26 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: what if you add partition (not whole disks) to raid? |
| 19:50.31 | hesco | dvs: update-pciids ran, but did not affect the results of alsaconf |
| 19:50.34 | clarity_ | but the time is displaced by 5 hours |
| 19:50.35 | nostalg1c | Gnea, i sincerely apologize for wasting your time.. i doublechecked my bios, and seems it didn't recognize the old sata drives after all. i switched around some cards (only have 3 pci slots and all taken) and now they are all recognized in bios.. i'm sure linux will be ok too then |
| 19:50.43 | dvs | hesco: didn't think so but what does "lspci | grep audio" say? |
| 19:50.45 | Seb | hesco: then figure out what module you need and modprobe it manually homie |
| 19:50.49 | loopdee | wierd |
| 19:50.55 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: does `mdadm --create --level=1 -n missing missing` work? |
| 19:51.01 | Seb | hesco: i mean, if you're used to doing it by hand, that shouldn't be too tough now should it ? |
| 19:51.09 | hesco | dvs: 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 (rev 02) |
| 19:51.12 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: oops. `mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 -n missing missing` |
| 19:51.27 | patrickj | alright im officially ditching nub distro ubuntu, no offense to ubuntu users |
| 19:51.32 | patrickj | and installing pure debian :D |
| 19:51.33 | LinuxHelp | mdadm: invalid number of raid devices: /dev/sda |
| 19:51.33 | stew | hesco: run "update-pciids" so that it will no longer be "Unknown" |
| 19:51.48 | hesco | Seb: I'd assume I will need to copy it into the /lib/modules/ for the new directory, right? |
| 19:51.53 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: oops again. `mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 -n 2 missing missing` |
| 19:52.04 | hesco | stew: did that. Its still unknown to alsaconf |
| 19:52.09 | LinuxHelp | mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory |
| 19:52.20 | dvs | stew: I just told hesco that |
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| 19:52.27 | LinuxHelp | mdadm = mad |
| 19:52.29 | stew | oops, missed that |
| 19:52.30 | hesco | Seb: I'd assume I will need to copy it into the /lib/modules/ for the new kernel, rather, right? |
| 19:52.35 | loopdee | wierd, i recovered it, and entered total instead of sub total, in the last column, and it saved fine, but if i put sub total as the title in the last column, it crashes... hmmm |
| 19:52.38 | patrickj | whats a good xhtml/css/php editor |
| 19:52.43 | stew | !which module for 040.: |
| 19:52.43 | dpkg | to find which modules supports 040.:, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/040.:/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 19:52.45 | stew | hesco: ^^^ |
| 19:52.54 | stew | that will tell you which (if any) modules support your sound card |
| 19:53.02 | Seb | hesco: no, they're all part of the debian kernel package |
| 19:53.17 | Seb | hesco: notice how I said "modprobe the right one" not "install/copy/whatever"... |
| 19:53.29 | stew | oh, hesco isn't running a stock kernel |
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| 19:53.41 | Seb | hesco: he told me he was |
| 19:53.50 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: stop udev |
| 19:53.54 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: and create then |
| 19:53.59 | LinuxHelp | I even tried touch /dev/md0, but the it says: "mdadm: /dev/md0 does not appear to be an md device" |
| 19:54.05 | stew | 14:36 < hesco> azeem: 2.6.16.20-13 |
| 19:54.09 | stew | that's not stock |
| 19:54.19 | azeem | that was a while ago |
| 19:54.22 | stew | ok |
| 19:54.28 | azeem | I assumed he switched since |
| 19:54.32 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, stop udev how? |
| 19:54.33 | hesco | Seb, stew, I am now running a Debian stock kernel, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 19:54.43 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: invoke-rc.d udev stop |
| 19:54.48 | war95 | LinuxHelp: oh man udev :( |
| 19:54.54 | war95 | LinuxHelp: I don't run that crap :P |
| 19:54.57 | stew | i'm going tor a bike ride anyway |
| 19:55.03 | azeem | hesco: didn't you say you were running testing? |
| 19:55.04 | LinuxHelp | war95, why? |
| 19:55.09 | azeem | that should have a newer kernel |
| 19:55.09 | war95 | LinuxHelp: why use it? |
| 19:55.10 | MoDaX | war95: it's not crap. just not perfect :) |
| 19:55.13 | war95 | LinuxHelp: none of my devices change |
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| 19:55.17 | LinuxHelp | ah |
| 19:55.18 | war95 | LinuxHelp: and I don't use hotplug anything |
| 19:55.20 | dvs | MoDaX: I second that |
| 19:55.25 | LinuxHelp | me neither |
| 19:55.32 | Seb | hesco: so just modprobe the right snd-foo for your card, after you figured out which one you need using say, Google. Gotta go. |
| 19:55.32 | war95 | LinuxHelp: before you do raid stuff |
| 19:55.33 | hesco | azeem: yes, testing. |
| 19:55.38 | war95 | LinuxHelp: you need to learn how to compile your own kernel |
| 19:55.39 | dusty-work | Hey guys how do i set my keyboard map for X in console the buttons are in the right place but in X they are different, im using a laptop keyboard.. how do i change it to the right one in X? |
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| 19:55.45 | war95 | LinuxHelp: then once you do that 100 times |
| 19:55.48 | war95 | LinuxHelp: then do the raid thing |
| 19:55.48 | MoDaX | war95: good for you. people are trying to run debian on desktop and laptop, you know :) |
| 19:55.55 | war95 | MoDaX: oo :( |
| 19:55.57 | MoDaX | desktops and laptops* |
| 19:56.16 | LinuxHelp | Stopping the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd. |
| 19:56.29 | wols | mirak: debian loads hotplug even on socket7 mobos without anything USB |
| 19:56.33 | wols | no controller, nothing |
| 19:56.37 | loopdee | MoDax, it seems as though a table in openoffice writer, i cannot have spaces between the text in any of the fields.. |
| 19:56.38 | LinuxHelp | mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory 8/ |
| 19:56.39 | hesco | Seb: modprobe atiixp returns a prompt. lsmod shows success. my aplay test shows what appears to be the same errors as before. |
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| 19:56.44 | LinuxHelp | perhaps mknod? |
| 19:57.08 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: try it |
| 19:57.20 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 9, 0 2004-01-20 16:28 /dev/md0 |
| 19:57.20 | azeem | !info linux-image-2.6-686 testing |
| 19:57.22 | patrickj | ill try gtk2 emacs :\ |
| 19:57.25 | malex | !topic |
| 19:57.26 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.15-8 (etch), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 19:57.31 | azeem | hesco: ^ ^ |
| 19:57.39 | patrickj | are there any advantages of going straight debian and not ubuntu? |
| 19:57.41 | azeem | testing has 2.6.15 |
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| 19:58.01 | azeem | patrickj: just try it |
| 19:58.07 | patrickj | lol k |
| 19:58.09 | MoDaX | war95: you do not recommend debian on desktop or laptop? :) |
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| 19:58.20 | war95 | MoDaX: I recommend debian for everything |
| 19:58.27 | patrickj | Debian <3 |
| 19:58.39 | hesco | azeem: are you suggesting linux-image instead of kernel-image? |
| 19:58.48 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, sorry manual not 100% helpful, what do I type? |
| 19:58.51 | mirak | wols: mmm ? |
| 19:58.51 | azeem | hesco: yes |
| 19:58.59 | hesco | ok, I'll try another kernel |
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| 19:59.09 | MoDaX | war95: and do you still think udev/dbus/hal are not useful? |
| 19:59.10 | dvs | hesco: Try 2.6.15 |
| 19:59.39 | war95 | MoDaX: Ive never had any use for them |
| 19:59.54 | war95 | MoDaX: when I used to use a usb camera , I wrote scripts to handle the camera |
| 20:00.08 | clarity_ | where are all the vars loaded on boot? |
| 20:00.11 | clarity_ | where are the loaded from |
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| 20:00.19 | hesco | dvs: its coming in now |
| 20:00.45 | hesco | azeem, dvs: its removing hotplug. Can udev handle pcmcia and usb events w/o that? |
| 20:00.48 | dvs | hesco: are you part of the audio group by the way |
| 20:00.53 | hesco | yes. |
| 20:01.06 | azeem | hesco: yes, hotplug is deprecated |
| 20:01.13 | dvs | hesco: I'm not sure about pcmcia but udev is suppose to replace hotplug |
| 20:01.16 | sid | How many hard disk drives can I connect to one computer? Say I want to connect 20 500 gig hard disk drives..is that possible? |
| 20:01.16 | hesco | groups returns: hesco dialout cdrom floppy audio camera usb |
| 20:01.51 | hesco | sid: sounds like you want a scsi RAID array |
| 20:01.54 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: mknod -m 660 /dev/md0 b 9 0 && chown root.disk /dev/md0 |
| 20:02.06 | wols | sid: possible but not advised |
| 20:02.17 | arunce | azeem: so, hotplug will be replaced with what? |
| 20:02.20 | wols | sid: your PCI bus would croak |
| 20:02.30 | dvs | arunce: udev |
| 20:02.36 | hesco | arunce: by udev in 2.6.8+ as I understand it |
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| 20:02.54 | LinuxHelp | mdadm: array /dev/md0 started. |
| 20:03.05 | LinuxHelp | can I start up udev again now? |
| 20:03.18 | sid | hesco: How does scsi RAID array work? |
| 20:03.19 | arunce | nice... i have some problems with an usb dsl modem |
| 20:03.30 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: try it |
| 20:03.57 | arunce | sometimes i have to reboot to unload and load the firmware again |
| 20:03.57 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: the question is whether your raid will still be there after reboot |
| 20:04.04 | LinuxHelp | yeah.. |
| 20:04.15 | LinuxHelp | udev is sort of running I suppose |
| 20:04.37 | hesco | sid: been about three years since I worked with a scsi array. I only did it once. I only put about five drives on it and none of them were anywhere as large as what you are proposing. And I was the second to the technician who was really handling the install |
| 20:04.43 | LinuxHelp | should I reboot now to check? (I really dont want to) |
| 20:04.58 | hesco | but perhaps that clue might move you down the road, looking elsewhere. |
| 20:06.02 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: you will have to sooner or later :) |
| 20:06.06 | LinuxHelp | war95, what fs do you use? |
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| 20:06.21 | capocannonieri | Hi there! |
| 20:06.26 | capocannonieri | I've a little doubt |
| 20:06.28 | LinuxHelp | was thinking of xfs (1gb ram) |
| 20:06.32 | LinuxHelp | + ups |
| 20:06.51 | capocannonieri | I'm trying to read messages from broadcast |
| 20:07.20 | capocannonieri | I search for it using "apropos", but I didn't find somehting related |
| 20:07.35 | capocannonieri | read/send messages |
| 20:07.49 | capocannonieri | Which command should I look for ? |
| 20:07.52 | arunce | in sarge, can hotplug be replaced by udev? |
| 20:08.28 | capocannonieri | arunce: unless for me, hotplug works better than udev |
| 20:08.30 | hesco | arunce: as I understand it, yes, in kernels 2.6.8+ |
| 20:08.47 | capocannonieri | (on sarge) |
| 20:08.47 | arunce | ok |
| 20:09.42 | capocannonieri | Anyone? :| |
| 20:10.24 | war95 | LinuxHelp: XFS |
| 20:10.31 | war95 | LinuxHelp: there is no better alternative |
| 20:10.42 | LinuxHelp | war95, already mounted :) |
| 20:11.03 | war95 | LinuxHelp: fun fun :) |
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| 20:12.11 | LinuxHelp | I think its time for reboot to test |
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| 20:12.17 | intx | anyone here use grsecurity? |
| 20:12.45 | capocannonieri | Does anyone know a command to do it ? |
| 20:13.28 | hesco | azeem, dvs: new 2.6.15-20 kernel now booting |
| 20:13.34 | dvs | yay! |
| 20:13.40 | dvs | hesco: Does alsaconf work now? |
| 20:13.47 | arunce | i have this firmware in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ but i have no idea howto unload and load it without a reboot |
| 20:13.57 | capocannonieri | :-| |
| 20:14.09 | capocannonieri | so nobody knows :( |
| 20:14.10 | arunce | and i'm using hotplug, as u can notice |
| 20:14.36 | SerajewelKS | does debian have a vpn client that can connect to a "cisco pix" vpn server? will vpnc work? |
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| 20:15.57 | hesco | dvs: I went straight for my aplay test script and it worked. |
| 20:16.04 | dvs | !beer hesco |
| 20:16.13 | hesco | The camera is recognized, the usb mouse works, now to test the modem |
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| 20:16.53 | capocannonieri | :-( |
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| 20:18.25 | boodie | hello |
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| 20:18.46 | cr3 | how can I list the packages which only half-installed because of missed dependencies? |
| 20:19.07 | wols | packages with missed dependencies don't install at all |
| 20:19.24 | hesco | cr3: try dpkg -l | grep -v 'ii', (untested) |
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| 20:19.45 | SerajewelKS | hesco: that will show held packages too |
| 20:19.46 | boodie | My linux box (etch / testing on AMD64) does not play sounds ... how can I configure, or detect, a soundcard? |
| 20:20.00 | wols | !alsa |
| 20:20.00 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://alsa-project.org/, or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 20:20.03 | cr3 | hesco: thanks |
| 20:20.05 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, um yes it disappeared |
| 20:20.10 | dvs | boodie: ask hesco. ;-) |
| 20:20.29 | LinuxHelp | said something about "no raid devices found in config file" but I dunno what that would mean |
| 20:20.46 | boodie | hesco? |
| 20:20.49 | hesco | boodie: try lspci |
| 20:21.00 | hesco | what sound or multimedia cards are listed? |
| 20:21.11 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 20:21.11 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 20:21.17 | dvs | boodie: hesco just got sound working. But seriously, what kernel are you running? |
| 20:21.20 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: dunno man. seems like udev/mdadm issue |
| 20:21.20 | beardy | boodie: ^^^ |
| 20:21.41 | hesco | boodie: uname -a |
| 20:21.42 | LinuxHelp | war95, how do you stop your /dev/md0 from disappearing |
| 20:21.44 | beardy | !sounds |
| 20:21.46 | boodie | 2.6.8 |
| 20:21.46 | beardy | !sound |
| 20:21.47 | dpkg | i heard sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 20:22.00 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: I'm running sw raid on my server. but with 2.4.x and without udev |
| 20:22.02 | dvs | beardy: then alsaconf should work |
| 20:22.03 | beardy | /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 20:22.18 | hesco | boodie: where is your kernel from, did you build it, or is it stock out of the Debian distro? |
| 20:23.17 | beardy | dvs: Probably. |
| 20:23.32 | dvs | oh I meant boodie |
| 20:23.39 | dvs | boodie: then alsaconf should work |
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| 20:23.55 | war95 | LinuxHelp: I don't use udev either |
| 20:24.38 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: but debian installer somehow does sw raid with udev combo |
| 20:24.40 | LinuxHelp | looks like I've got something working in /dev/.static/dev |
| 20:24.53 | boodie | hesco: out of the box (from the net-install CD) |
| 20:25.22 | boodie | Anyway alsaconf failed to detect any isa or pci device |
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| 20:25.49 | hesco | For my cli-challenged clients I like to include firestarter to handle iptable manipulation from the gui. However an attempt to install firestarter seems to want to remove pgaccess, xserver-common and a handful of other useful tools. Are there any alternatives for firewall management with a mouse? |
| 20:25.52 | beardy | boodie: What soundcard do you have? |
| 20:25.58 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: heh, mdadm --create --auto ... |
| 20:26.01 | arunce | LinuxHelp: how did u install debian on that raid? did u use debootstrap? |
| 20:26.01 | MoDaX | :) |
| 20:26.03 | boodie | It is a sound device built on the mobo |
| 20:26.13 | dvs | boodie: which mobo? |
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| 20:26.25 | Timtow | would somebody mind walking me through a configuration of a ftp server? |
| 20:26.34 | beardy | !ac97 |
| 20:26.34 | dvs | boodie: Actually, what does "lspci | grep audio" say? |
| 20:26.34 | hesco | boodie: use lspci to determine your sound card, then use the matrix at: alsa-project.org to see what support is offered for it. |
| 20:26.35 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 20:26.54 | LinuxHelp | arunce, its not installed just yet |
| 20:26.56 | boodie | ASUS with a nforce4 chipset (precisely A8N-E) |
| 20:27.23 | boodie | lspci didn't seem to find it |
| 20:27.25 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, how on earth do you disable an array which you accidently "built" instead of "assembled"? |
| 20:27.29 | hesco | boodie, run from a cli, lspci | grep audio, please |
| 20:27.30 | arunce | LinuxHelp: so, what is the problem? |
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| 20:27.57 | beardy | boodie: Activated in bios, if you can disable it? |
| 20:27.57 | LinuxHelp | arunce, I think it works now :) just had to find a suitable md0 |
| 20:28.02 | hesco | if lspci doesn't find it, nothing else will. Are you sure there is a sound chip on the mobo? |
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| 20:28.18 | boodie | Ops, sorry, it did: "00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)" |
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| 20:29.14 | dvs | ALC850 |
| 20:29.26 | war95 | you don't need to install onto reid linuxhelp |
| 20:29.30 | war95 | install to ONE disk |
| 20:29.34 | war95 | then you do the raid1 after |
| 20:29.37 | hesco | boodie: great, you probably want the intel8x0, then, but for full details, see: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Nvidia#matrix |
| 20:29.41 | war95 | that is teh easiest way |
| 20:30.03 | boodie | hesco: how could I get it? |
| 20:30.27 | dvs | boodie: you already have it |
| 20:30.50 | dvs | boodie: modprobe snd-intel8x0 (as root) |
| 20:30.56 | hesco | boodie: you will need to create an /etc/modutils/alsa file whose contents are given by the instructions at: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Nvidia&card=.&chip=nForce&module=intel8x0 |
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| 20:31.37 | hesco | and dvs is probably right, that's a common module and is likely in the stock install |
| 20:31.48 | dvs | hesco: for a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 20:34.19 | Timtow | what's wrong when you're getting sound, but CD's won't play and the sound is all distorted sounding? |
| 20:34.43 | zinx | two separate issues, most likely |
| 20:35.01 | zinx | as for CDs playing, you're trying to play them via the analog cable which isn't hooked up in your system (not uncommon) |
| 20:35.22 | Timtow | does that give a drive error? Widoze didn't report that error... |
| 20:35.30 | zinx | for sound being distorted.. the drivers probably aren't giving a good rate |
| 20:35.32 | zinx | Timtow: No. |
| 20:35.33 | boodie | I did "modprobe snd-intel8x0" .. it said "setting up ALSA ...done"" |
| 20:35.36 | zinx | it gives no error |
| 20:35.50 | Timtow | but they'll play in M$ with the same harware config... |
| 20:35.52 | dvs | boodie: do "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
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| 20:36.06 | zinx | Timtow: it's probably playing it digitally. |
| 20:36.19 | zinx | Timtow: use a CD player app that will play it digitally, and configure it to do so |
| 20:36.32 | zinx | it may be called "CDDA" |
| 20:36.38 | zinx | (the option) |
| 20:36.42 | Timtow | which app? |
| 20:36.49 | boodie | I did it - no answer |
| 20:36.51 | zinx | which one do you want to use? |
| 20:36.58 | dvs | boodie: that's goo! |
| 20:37.02 | dvs | good even |
| 20:37.18 | dvs | boodie: now play a sound (I use cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp) |
| 20:37.49 | boodie | hmmm, so should I set it in /etc/modules? |
| 20:38.04 | dvs | boodie: yes, put both those modules in /etc/modules |
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| 20:38.45 | boodie | It said " /dev/dsp: No such device" |
| 20:39.04 | Timtow | how about xmms zinx? |
| 20:39.15 | dvs | boodie: ls -l /dev/dsp? |
| 20:39.23 | zinx | Timtow: go to the preferences, under Audio/IO, select the CD Audio Player, hit configure |
| 20:39.40 | zinx | Timtow: and choose Digital Audio Extraction |
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| 20:41.19 | Timtow | ok, it's playing, but not through xmms....I closed xmms and it's still playing heh |
| 20:41.36 | zinx | :/ |
| 20:41.39 | streuner | Timtow: ps aux | grep xmms |
| 20:42.14 | Timtow | root 24021 0.0 0.0 1832 580 pts/0 R+ 15:42 0:00 grep xmms |
| 20:42.29 | streuner | well, that the grep pid :-) |
| 20:42.37 | streuner | that's* |
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| 20:43.19 | boodie | As I did "ls -l /dev/dsp" My mouse lost synchronization ... I had to ctrl-alt-bkspace to get out of it. But anyway it gave something that looks like a link "/dev/dsp -> dsp0" |
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| 20:43.36 | Timtow | how do you kill it again? |
| 20:43.43 | zinx | boodie: for future reference, ctrl-alt-numlock toggles on/off the numeric keypad mouse |
| 20:43.43 | streuner | skill -c xmms |
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| 20:43.57 | Timtow | nope, still playing |
| 20:44.00 | dvs | boodie: ls -l /dev/dsp0 |
| 20:44.20 | beardy | Timtow: xmms -s doesn't stop it? |
| 20:44.35 | Timtow | nope, still playing |
| 20:44.36 | boodie | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-07-03 22:15 /dev/dsp0 |
| 20:44.48 | dvs | boodie: are you part of the audio group? |
| 20:44.56 | Timtow | but now the pid is different |
| 20:45.07 | Deformative | Is there a debian handbook or howto, that shows how to get started with debian? |
| 20:45.17 | boodie | no, I think (adduser boodie audio)? |
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| 20:45.21 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 20:45.22 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:45.22 | beardy | !tell Deformative -about reference |
| 20:45.29 | dvs | boodie: yup |
| 20:45.34 | hesco | boodie, run # groups |
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| 20:45.47 | _stev_ | When I use Ion as WM, I have colourloss with mplayer (driver X11) and when I user my Desktop environment, the video-file is perfect with mplayer, with xv as video driver, there is no difference but the quality is painfull |
| 20:46.12 | Timtow | ok, how do I fix the distortion? |
| 20:46.33 | boodie | I am a member of audio |
| 20:46.38 | zinx | Timtow: that's probably your drivers |
| 20:46.47 | Timtow | how do you 'get a good rate' |
| 20:46.53 | boodie | So, it should work now... |
| 20:47.00 | guilherme-jorge | Hello all, Is it possible to do data replication betweeb more than 2 servers using DRBD?? |
| 20:47.03 | zinx | Timtow: well, what card do you have first? |
| 20:47.11 | Timtow | onboard realtek |
| 20:47.26 | SerajewelKS | guilherme-jorge: betweeb haha... sorry that just struck me a funny |
| 20:47.30 | zinx | which 'onboard realtek'? |
| 20:47.46 | Timtow | *shrugs* |
| 20:47.53 | zinx | lspci | grep Multimedia |
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| 20:48.13 | Timtow | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 20:48.31 | Timtow | and I think it autodetected that |
| 20:48.47 | zinx | try putting 'options snd-via82xx via_dxs=0' in /etc/modprobe.d/via, and running update-modules, then unloading/loading snd-via82xx or rebooting |
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| 20:48.51 | boodie | bash: /dev/dsp0: No such device |
| 20:49.13 | zinx | erh, sorry |
| 20:49.15 | Cae2 | guilherme-jorge, with drbd 0.8 is possible up to three nodes |
| 20:49.21 | zinx | options snd-via82xx dxs_support=0 |
| 20:49.31 | Timtow | there's no via in modprobe.d |
| 20:49.32 | zinx | or dxs_support=2 |
| 20:49.36 | LinuxHelp | I'm copying my debian testing from one hd to another, what folders must I copy? Already copied: /usr, /etc/ /root/ /home |
| 20:49.37 | zinx | Timtow: right. create it |
| 20:49.41 | Timtow | gotcha |
| 20:49.44 | zinx | and try dxs_support=2 first, i guess |
| 20:49.48 | zinx | since that forces it to off |
| 20:49.52 | LinuxHelp | Leaving out /boot on purpose |
| 20:49.54 | zinx | and what you're having is a problem because it's on |
| 20:50.08 | LinuxHelp | Is there anything I'm leaving out? |
| 20:50.59 | Timtow | er, I tried the dxs_support=0 first |
| 20:51.07 | zinx | if it fixes it, that's fine |
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| 20:51.31 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: /dev |
| 20:51.51 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, wont the kernel create that for me? |
| 20:51.52 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: /bin /sbin /lib |
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| 20:52.06 | xt3rminalx | For some reason , ALL my GUI browsers refuse to load any website, yet ALL my text based broswers open ANY website. what could the problem be? |
| 20:52.07 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: having static entries won't hurt |
| 20:52.08 | guilherme-jorge | Cae2: DRBD works fine in WEB Servers?? |
| 20:52.10 | boodie | now, as I did alsaconf, it gave "Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-intel8x0 snd-ac97-codec snd-mpu401-uart |
| 20:52.10 | boodie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.10 | boodie | ge-alloc snd-timer." |
| 20:52.28 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: what error? |
| 20:52.29 | Cae2 | guilherme-jorge, yes |
| 20:52.36 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: no error |
| 20:53.05 | LinuxHelp | hmm |
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| 20:53.52 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: so what's happening? |
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| 20:54.01 | zinx | xt3rminalx: most likely you configured a proxy somewhere, and the GUI browsers are obeying it, while the text browsers aren't |
| 20:54.03 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: e.g. in firefox |
| 20:54.08 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, do you think now adding "root=/dev/.static/dev/md0" to my menu.lst (kernel param) would allow me to boot the raid? |
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| 20:54.52 | xt3rminalx | zinx: no proxy and I would never configure proxy in ALL my browser.. Thats retarded |
| 20:54.52 | boodie | if I try "alsamixer" it says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
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| 20:54.52 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: I said theres no errors.... |
| 20:54.52 | guilherme-jorge | Cae2: mmm... I have 5 apache servers running 5000 domains. Do you think that is DRBD is a better solution to do data replication?? I don't wnat to use NFS... |
| 20:54.57 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: initrd must load raid first |
| 20:55.06 | john_doe | Can I somehow run a dhcp client and see all answers from dhcp servers? There is a dhcp server on my open network that I want to disconnect. |
| 20:55.14 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX: ? |
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| 20:55.46 | wols | john_doe: run a network sniffer like tcpdump or ethereal instead |
| 20:56.07 | Cae2 | guilherme-jorge, aguenta tranquilo |
| 20:56.08 | john_doe | wols: oh I never tried that before |
| 20:56.18 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: root= is ok. did you edit fstab? |
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| 20:56.34 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, yes and it auto-mounts perfectly |
| 20:56.58 | hesco | can anyone recommend a replacement guid iptables configuration tool for firestarter, which apparently conflicts with other packages here? |
| 20:57.09 | hesco | s/guid/gui/g |
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| 20:57.26 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, I put /dev/.static/dev/md0 to /mnt/md0, hope thats correct? |
| 20:57.27 | xt3rminalx | I love how noone wanted to help thus |
| 20:57.29 | xt3rminalx | :-( |
| 20:57.51 | john_doe | wols: but wouldn't it be the same? |
| 20:57.56 | zinx | xt3rminalx: i tried |
| 20:57.56 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: saying 'refuse' is not enough |
| 20:58.07 | hesco | john_doe, does dhclient or pump work for you? If so you could then use the data from ifconfig to find the server |
| 20:58.09 | Timtow | what is unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-386/updates/alsa....blah, blah? |
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| 20:58.16 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: what else should I say? |
| 20:58.21 | zinx | xt3rminalx: does firefox think it successfully loaded the page? |
| 20:58.26 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: no |
| 20:58.33 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, or do you mean edit the "new" fstab on /mnt/md0/etc/fstab??? |
| 20:58.39 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: just sits there and try to connect to it |
| 20:58.51 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: no progress bar or anything |
| 20:58.53 | zinx | xt3rminalx: firefox always reports an error if it can't load the page. wait for it. |
| 20:59.04 | zinx | the specific error will probably be important |
| 20:59.15 | xt3rminalx | zinx: ah, I see what you mean.. I get the Time out thing |
| 20:59.23 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: mounting / as your md0 ? |
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| 20:59.27 | zinx | right, "Time out" isn't enough. |
| 20:59.27 | john_doe | hesco: yes, dhclient works but it only shows me the dhcp server that is allowed on the network. |
| 20:59.36 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, in which fstab? |
| 20:59.37 | zinx | it will tell you what it was trying to contact |
| 20:59.50 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: in md0 |
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| 20:59.51 | nyph-1 | hello, i'm looking for a old debian release, can you say me a site that give me iso for debian with kernel 2.0? |
| 20:59.53 | zinx | and it's important to know what it was trying to contact, what it timed out doing. |
| 21:00.03 | zinx | DNS, the website itself, a proxy server, etc. |
| 21:00.27 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: ok. does ping google.com work? |
| 21:00.36 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX: I have changed the one in /mnt/md0 to /dev/.static/dev/md0--/, but obviously havent tested it |
| 21:00.45 | john_doe | wols: could I use ntop? |
| 21:00.45 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: Yes, I can go to any site via lynx |
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| 21:01.36 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: try going to http://72.14.207.99/ |
| 21:02.00 | Jamster | whee. google. |
| 21:02.04 | boodie | Well, my soundcard still goes not detected ... another question ... where do I find the utility 'less'? |
| 21:02.13 | Jamster | and yes, tried it in lynx |
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| 21:02.54 | nyf | hello, where i could find an old debxian release? (kernel 2.0) |
| 21:02.59 | nyf | *debian |
| 21:03.08 | xt3rminalx | http://72.14.207.99/ |
| 21:03.13 | hesco | john_doe: are you saying there is a second dhcp on your subnet? |
| 21:03.15 | tictac | does the debain installer allow for i/o over serial? |
| 21:03.32 | xt3rminalx | zinx: The server at mail.google.com is taking too long to respond. |
| 21:03.38 | xt3rminalx | ^-- Time out |
| 21:03.42 | xt3rminalx | http://72.14.207.99/ |
| 21:04.06 | zinx | xt3rminalx: that's what it said for that particular URL? |
| 21:04.18 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: has http://72.14.207.99/ worked (in gui browser) ? |
| 21:04.20 | xt3rminalx | zinx: yes |
| 21:04.32 | zinx | xt3rminalx: then you somehow have mail.google.com set as your proxy |
| 21:04.44 | zinx | xt3rminalx: are you using a desktop environment? |
| 21:04.50 | john_doe | hesco: I don't think it's on my subnet |
| 21:05.06 | xt3rminalx | Yes, that worked MoDaX |
| 21:05.11 | zinx | erh |
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| 21:05.20 | john_doe | and I think that's why I don't see it with ntop |
| 21:05.22 | hesco | From kppp's terminal I can hack a connection to the ISP over a dial-up modem. But the IP addr provided and the ppp0 connection are not showing up in ifconfig. What might that mean? |
| 21:05.22 | zinx | you're giving out conflicting info :< |
| 21:05.28 | niph | hello, old debian release kernel 2.0 |
| 21:05.30 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: then dns or ipv6 problem |
| 21:05.36 | xt3rminalx | zinx: wtf are you talking about, it does that with ANY website and I have no proxy set up... |
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| 21:05.58 | zinx | xt3rminalx: you just said http://72.14.207.99/ gave an error, then you said it worked |
| 21:06.08 | hesco | john_doe: you won't be able to see a dhcp server that is not on your subnet, as I understand the way it works. |
| 21:06.29 | xt3rminalx | zinx: no I didnt, I said 72.14..... worked... gmail gave me an error |
| 21:06.43 | loopdee | this is exactly what happens, when create a new doc in openoffice, 2.0.2 or 2.0.3, i plave a table 6 cols, 11 rows, i can type in the fields and save without a problem, but what gives me a problem is when i write text with spaces in the fields, a save crashes openoffice, am i using the wrong encoding or something ? |
| 21:06.57 | zinx | xt3rminalx: misunderstanding then |
| 21:07.08 | zinx | xt3rminalx: your issue is with dns, as MoDaX said |
| 21:07.22 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: so how can I fix my DNS issue? |
| 21:07.37 | xt3rminalx | And why would it be dns issues if lynx works? |
| 21:07.45 | zinx | most likely, remove dns6 from /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 21:09.12 | john_doe | hesco: when I use a dhcp server I don't apply a subnet my self. I get that within the dhcp answer. |
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| 21:09.55 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: does http://www.cnn.com/ work? |
| 21:10.15 | LinuxHelp | MoDaX, it froze at "Waiting for root filesystem ..." |
| 21:10.40 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: Nope, works in links though |
| 21:10.40 | LinuxHelp | I think this is because mdadm is only started afterwards |
| 21:11.03 | ddfire | hi |
| 21:11.20 | ddfire | i get this error when i try to compile my project in kdevelop configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! how i can fix it? thanks |
| 21:11.26 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: hmm, cnn.com does not have ipv6 address, so it is not ipv6 related |
| 21:11.41 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: I kindda knew that already |
| 21:11.52 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: what browsers have you tried? |
| 21:12.16 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: think of one and I've tried it |
| 21:12.23 | loopdee | wierd, i cahnged the font to time from bitstream something , and save worked fine... ok how nice |
| 21:12.36 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: konqueror, opera ? |
| 21:12.42 | xt3rminalx | yes |
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| 21:14.27 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: start firefox from x console emulator |
| 21:14.34 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: try then |
| 21:14.51 | ddfire | please help me |
| 21:15.25 | tuxedup | I was wondering are there another other applications in repos similar to Beagle, or is that currently all that is available packaged in the way of desktop searching? |
| 21:15.25 | Coweater | ddfire: sounds like you don't have the development packages for X |
| 21:15.34 | MoDaX | ddfire: libx11-dev |
| 21:15.41 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: nothing |
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| 21:16.20 | hesco | john_doe: yes, that's true, but as I understand it a dhcp server will only broadcast its existence and offer leases on its own subnet. |
| 21:16.22 | Kibou | tuxedup: what's wrong with beagle? |
| 21:16.31 | ddfire | i an installing that thanks Coweater and MoDaX |
| 21:16.47 | hesco | so you should not be able to reach a dhcp server on a subnet your machine is not on. |
| 21:16.57 | pioto | hi, is there something i can do to get linux-kbuild on my system? otherwise i seem unable to install linux-headers... |
| 21:16.57 | reemusk | where is the location of my firefox plugins folder? |
| 21:17.01 | hesco | its subnet specific |
| 21:17.07 | tuxedup | Kibou: I do not really want all the Gnome dependencies |
| 21:17.11 | reemusk | nvm |
| 21:17.37 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: install tetheral or tcpdump. do tethereal -i <net device> port 53. try firefox again. |
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| 21:18.04 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: tethereal. I always can't spell this one right |
| 21:18.05 | xarq | which init file determines the foreground color of text in the virtual terminal? |
| 21:18.23 | hesco | OK, my pppd issue seemed to be about a conflict with an existing connection at eth0. This issue is documented in the kppp FAQ. |
| 21:18.56 | hesco | When I took the eth0 connection down, I was able to bring up the pppd connection on the pcmcia modem. |
| 21:18.59 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: can you send me a download link to ethereal? |
| 21:19.15 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: apt-get it |
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| 21:19.36 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: On Slackware |
| 21:19.54 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: it's #debian |
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| 21:20.32 | KaRiM | Hey guys, how are you all today? |
| 21:20.33 | pioto | did the linux-kbuild package totally die? i can't even find sources for it |
| 21:21.05 | beardy | never heard of it |
| 21:21.11 | KaRiM | can ANYONE recommend some GOOD documentation on how someone would go about building their OWN debian based distro? |
| 21:21.23 | mirak | KaRiM: hi |
| 21:21.28 | pioto | well, the linux-headers packages depend on it... |
| 21:21.30 | MoDaX | pioto: it's in NEW. snaphost is here: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main |
| 21:21.31 | KaRiM | Hi mirak |
| 21:21.39 | Deformative | Any recomendations for how I should partition a 60 gig harddrive? |
| 21:21.41 | KaRiM | lol....you have the same name as me....backwards |
| 21:21.43 | KaRiM | :P |
| 21:21.47 | mirak | KaRiM: I am spelled backwards |
| 21:21.52 | pioto | MoDaX: thanks |
| 21:21.57 | KaRiM | lol, yeah i know |
| 21:22.10 | KaRiM | I used to use that as my password in High School |
| 21:22.15 | Deformative | Please? |
| 21:22.17 | mirak | KaRiM: :D |
| 21:22.19 | mirak | funny |
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| 21:22.29 | linux2 | anyone know of good linux game creation tools |
| 21:22.38 | KaRiM | Blender? |
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| 21:22.43 | hesco | unless I've missed something, that leaves only one issue before I put this machine back together to return to its owner. Its a laptop, new enough to have a working battery. I need to make as much of the apci tools as possible work. The BIOS does not support APM, I'm afraid. Can anyone get me started with a pointer? I usually don't mess with laptops. Any advice on favorite power management tools out there? |
| 21:22.51 | mirak | Deformative: 512mo for swap, 7G for / and the rest for /home |
| 21:22.52 | KaRiM | linux2: Blender is good for 3d stuff |
| 21:22.58 | jelly-home | Deformative: one swap, one /, one /home. Or put everything on / |
| 21:22.58 | pioto | linux2: emacs? :-p |
| 21:23.09 | Thunderguy | Anyone know much about PS/2 optical mice? the xserver seems to have some trouble with it =/ |
| 21:23.10 | hesco | s/apci/acpi/g |
| 21:23.14 | MoDaX | hesco: powersave |
| 21:23.18 | Deformative | No /boot? |
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| 21:23.30 | linux2 | pioto, well anything that is fairly easy? i haven't done much programming |
| 21:23.31 | MoDaX | hesco: powersaved |
| 21:23.31 | Deformative | And where are all the apps stored, root? |
| 21:23.33 | hesco | MoDaX: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 21:23.37 | mirak | Deformative: unless you use LVM it's not usefull to split |
| 21:23.47 | beardy | linux2: As said, blender is nice, takes a bit of effort to learn, but there are plenty of tutorials. |
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| 21:23.53 | KaRiM | any1 have a good recommendation on docs for learning how to BUILD a Debian based distro? |
| 21:23.55 | MoDaX | hesco: and kpowersave (for kde) |
| 21:23.55 | guilherme-jorge | Hello all, Is it possible to implement a DRBD structure where all servers works as masters and slaves at the same time? |
| 21:24.03 | mirak | Deformative: I use LVM and grub cannot boot on LVM partition, so I have it outside of LVM |
| 21:24.04 | linux2 | beardy, 2d rpg games i was thinking about |
| 21:24.10 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: well, Im getting a lot of stuff |
| 21:24.12 | linux2 | beardy, as much as i like 3d stuff |
| 21:24.15 | beardy | linux2: Play slashem. |
| 21:24.19 | mirak | Deformative: / is root yes |
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| 21:24.23 | jelly-home | mirak: why only 7G for system? My local news spool takes 2G by itself. |
| 21:24.44 | jelly-home | mirak: /usr/src also takes a lot. |
| 21:24.52 | mirak | jelly-home: your local news spool ? why do you do that ? |
| 21:24.53 | Deformative | And where are all the apps stored, root? |
| 21:25.00 | Deformative | Oops. |
| 21:25.01 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: so are dns queries sent and answered? |
| 21:25.04 | Deformative | I wasn' |
| 21:25.09 | jelly-home | mirak: offline reading and handy archives. |
| 21:25.12 | Deformative | t supposed to send that again. |
| 21:25.27 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: yes |
| 21:25.29 | beardy | Deformative: man hier |
| 21:25.39 | mirak | jelly-home: anyway with LVM you can resize after so that's not a problem |
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| 21:26.08 | jelly-home | mirak: I also like reading news more than reading mailing lists, so I use gmane to read all the high volume lists. |
| 21:26.24 | beardy | linux2: Well, for graphics, The GIMP, but you have to learn some language to write your game in. |
| 21:26.34 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: don't know then. sorry. I can't support distro which I'm not running / have never run. |
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| 21:27.03 | mirak | jelly-home: I use thunderbird, the news comes fast enough. I think PAM can spool, I think that's enough |
| 21:27.05 | Deformative | Are programs installed in /home or /? |
| 21:27.08 | KaRiM | i would say something like C++ might be good for game programming, would you agree beardy? |
| 21:27.11 | KaRiM | or maybe Java |
| 21:27.18 | mirak | no need to replicate a server, it's a waste of time and bandwith jelly-home |
| 21:27.26 | KaRiM | Java would be EASIER to program a Graphical app |
| 21:27.27 | xt3rminalx | MoDaX: MY debian box does the same exact thing.... |
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| 21:28.01 | jelly-home | mirak: oh, I don't replicate it. I just keep interesting stuff locally forever. ;-) |
| 21:28.31 | mirak | I let google do it for me |
| 21:28.32 | mirak | :)) |
| 21:29.14 | jelly-home | mirak: also, I used http and nntp cache/proxies when I was on dialup. |
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| 21:29.57 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: ok. lynx works. what about links? |
| 21:30.10 | beardy | KaRiM: Perhaps. But I'd say python instead. |
| 21:30.17 | MoDaX | xt3rminalx: and test https://mail.google.lt |
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| 21:30.38 | MoDaX | https://mail.google.com/ I mean |
| 21:30.39 | KaRiM | beardy: TRUE, python is MUCH easier to use than ALL of the other Object Oriented languages |
| 21:31.27 | gravity | That's a lot of caps |
| 21:31.41 | KaRiM | gravity: ... lol sorry :P |
| 21:31.57 | MoDaX | python is slow if you need performance |
| 21:32.00 | Jamster | I also doubt the 'MUCH' in 'MUSH easier'. |
| 21:32.04 | Jamster | er, MUCH |
| 21:32.09 | boodie | bye |
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| 21:32.35 | DeepFrze | when I reboot my system, the first time I try "cat /dev/psaux" I get a msg, ImExPS/2 Logitch Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1. If I try it again I get "no device found" Thing is what is isa0060... |
| 21:32.55 | KaRiM | Jamster: I agree to a degree , I am a Java guy, but I agree python is easier to learn |
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| 21:34.22 | Jamster | KaRiM: well, comparing scripting language and compiled/type-strict ones like Java isn't my thing. I'd rather compare Python to Perl or Ruby. |
| 21:35.09 | KaRiM | Jamster: Granted, but for the sake of learning an object oriented language, python has a much shorter learning curve |
| 21:35.21 | Jamster | Than Java? yeah. |
| 21:35.23 | Jamster | Definitely :) |
| 21:35.33 | KaRiM | and once you have the concepts clear, moving onto another language is a cakewalk |
| 21:35.41 | KaRiM | <~~ Learned C first |
| 21:35.47 | DeepFrze | I'm assuming that I am missing a module (because knoppix detects the mouse okay) but what module? any ideas? |
| 21:35.51 | beardy | Jamster: Python "compiles" though, in a way. |
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| 21:36.08 | Jamster | beardy: yeah, but it's an interpreted language :> |
| 21:36.26 | KaRiM | Jamster: I'm not feeling any love....LOL |
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| 21:36.45 | beardy | Jamster: And that is something overall and forever negative? |
| 21:36.51 | fasta | What is an easy way to escape a 10KB string? Is there a command line program for it? |
| 21:36.53 | Jamster | KaRiM: *g* I've had to fight with Java over the last year or so ;) Lately built a small site with jsp/jstl |
| 21:37.05 | ddfire | MoDaX, i had installed libx11-dev but i still have the same error :S configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! when i try to compile the proyect in kdevelop |
| 21:37.26 | gravity | ddfire: What X libraries does it need? And what version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:37.27 | KaRiM | Jamster: ya coulda asked me, I used to teach Java/J2EE programmin until last year...lol |
| 21:37.27 | Jamster | beardy: I've never said that :> I just said that I'd rather compare interpreted to interpreted languages. I -like- interpreted languages |
| 21:37.49 | MoDaX | ddfire: what are you compiling kdevelop? |
| 21:37.51 | Jamster | Never did any J2EE stuff tho :> |
| 21:38.02 | MoDaX | ddfire: do apt-get build-dep kdevelop |
| 21:38.03 | ddfire | a "hello world" |
| 21:38.06 | fasta | ddfire: The newest (unstable) works, trust me. |
| 21:38.07 | sid | How do I go about locking grub(password protecting it) so there is no rescue mode, and they can't boot into single user mode(change options to the kernel on boot) |
| 21:38.12 | sid | I am remotely connecting to a colo box. |
| 21:38.15 | ddfire | i am whit untable |
| 21:38.23 | Jamster | sid: edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
| 21:38.24 | beardy | Jamster: Well, if they act very different, that comparison is not more fair than compiled vs interpreted. |
| 21:38.27 | KaRiM | Jamster: You should be grateful you didnt...try doing "Hello World" in EJB...it will teach you the meaning of PAIN |
| 21:38.27 | ddfire | i dont know waht libraris it asking for |
| 21:38.31 | sid | Jamster: What do I change? |
| 21:38.32 | MoDaX | ddfire: kdevelop is in unstable |
| 21:38.32 | robin_sz | bah, spambots have killed my Wiki :( |
| 21:38.37 | Jamster | sid: it should be very documented |
| 21:38.39 | gravity | ddfire: You can install xorg-dev to pull in all the Xorg libs |
| 21:38.47 | Jamster | beardy: true. |
| 21:38.56 | Deformative | Every time I install debian it installs kernel 2.4, how do I get it to install 2.6? |
| 21:38.57 | gravity | ddfire: As for it not finding them... I don't know what your project or kdevelop are doing |
| 21:39.02 | Jamster | I still can't decide wether I should try digging into Lisp or not. |
| 21:39.13 | beardy | Deformative: linux26, when you boot the cd |
| 21:39.14 | MoDaX | ddfire: and if you really need to compile kdevelop, apt-get build-dep kdevelop will install all build dependencies |
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| 21:39.23 | KaRiM | beardy: any sites/docs you recommend to someone who's trying to build their own debian based distro? |
| 21:39.27 | seeds | type kinux 26 Deformative |
| 21:39.30 | ddfire | imy project the hello wolrd from the kdevelop templates |
| 21:39.38 | Deformative | Thanks |
| 21:39.41 | seeds | at the start of installation |
| 21:39.45 | beardy | KaRiM: The Ubuntu site may have some. |
| 21:39.51 | seeds | linux 26 i meant |
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| 21:40.06 | KaRiM | beardy: Checked it... :( ... no good documentation there on fiddling with debian |
| 21:40.14 | beardy | seeds: You also meant without a space. linux26 |
| 21:40.23 | KaRiM | and I downloaded the whole 3.1 distro...all 14 cd's...lol |
| 21:40.42 | KaRiM | too bad i couldnt find the DVD iso's |
| 21:40.48 | KaRiM | :P |
| 21:40.48 | MoDaX | ddfire: ah, install kdelibs4-dev then |
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| 21:40.54 | ddfire | MoDaX, thanks i am downloading 100M of libraries :D |
| 21:40.55 | beardy | !di KaRiM |
| 21:41.00 | beardy | !d-i KaRiM |
| 21:41.00 | dpkg | KaRiM, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:41.08 | beardy | KaRiM: netinstall? |
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| 21:41.31 | KaRiM | beardy: no not net-instell |
| 21:41.33 | beardy | KaRiM: Why do you want to make another "based-on" though? |
| 21:41.34 | KaRiM | *install |
| 21:41.42 | beardy | KaRiM: I meant you should try it. |
| 21:41.43 | Jamster | why no netinstall? |
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| 21:41.53 | KaRiM | beardy: i need it very specialized |
| 21:42.00 | Jamster | KaRiM: go LFS? |
| 21:42.01 | KaRiM | for embedded use |
| 21:42.08 | ddfire | MoDaX, when it finish whit build dept i will instal kdelibs4-dev |
| 21:42.11 | ddfire | thanks |
| 21:42.27 | beardy | KaRiM: Isn't it just to start cutting and chopping away what you don't need? |
| 21:42.28 | KaRiM | Jamster: I would, but i need to be able to re-deploy on multiple appliances |
| 21:42.54 | phogg | I've installed something (from sid) to my workstation which depended on udev which is now installed. I'm running a custom kernel without udev support enabled. If I reboot will my system still work as it is? |
| 21:42.59 | MoDaX | ddfire: do don't need that build-dep kdevelop if you're not compiling kdevelop, but "Hello World!" :) |
| 21:43.00 | beardy | KaRiM: Have you looked for something that's already doing what you need? |
| 21:43.01 | Jamster | Hmh. You can get Debian as small as..200MB, roughly, with the installer. Anything lower, I'd use something else. |
| 21:43.08 | Jamster | ttylinux ;P |
| 21:43.10 | KaRiM | beardy: beyond the minimal packages, i need only 2 more, and thats it, so I'd like to make a custom installer, etc.. for it |
| 21:43.11 | Jamster | 5mb. |
| 21:43.15 | MoDaX | ddfire: s/do/you/ |
| 21:43.31 | ddfire | s/do/you/ ????????? |
| 21:43.34 | ddfire | what? |
| 21:43.46 | beardy | KaRiM: So? Just installthe base-system and that two packages then, using the netinstaller, done? |
| 21:43.46 | KaRiM | Jamster: with all the packages I need, it sits at 350mb or so |
| 21:43.49 | DeepFrze | can someone tell me if isa0060/serio1 is a bus address and how to connect to it?? |
| 21:43.54 | davi | How to know if i have acpi enabled in this Sarge box ? |
| 21:43.55 | phogg | ddfire: replace first instance of do with you in the last comment. |
| 21:44.09 | KaRiM | well, sun-jdk and jboss arent part of the distro though |
| 21:44.10 | MoDaX | davi: /proc/acpi |
| 21:44.18 | davi | thanks MoDaX |
| 21:44.31 | beardy | KaRiM: Modify the netinstaller to suit you then. |
| 21:44.48 | KaRiM | beardy: links to any documentation on that? |
| 21:45.01 | phogg | davi: I'd use the acpi_available command |
| 21:45.06 | MoDaX | ddfire: it means I you need to replace 'do' with 'you' in my last sentence to you :) |
| 21:45.25 | ddfire | ok |
| 21:45.43 | xarq | does busybox provide a virtual terminal, or is that provided by the linux kernel? |
| 21:45.46 | ddfire | use sed sentece whit the shell not whit another human |
| 21:45.48 | davi | cool phogg |
| 21:45.50 | DeepFrze | no ideas, anyone? |
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| 21:46.00 | MoDaX | phogg: it checks for /proc/acpi |
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| 21:47.09 | MoDaX | ddfire: we are all geeks here, aren't we? (kidding) :) |
| 21:47.20 | ddfire | lol |
| 21:47.52 | davi | About ACPI, how to tell the host to lower the power management, for example lower the CPU clock ? |
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| 21:48.51 | beardy | KaRiM: Learn to search the web. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify |
| 21:49.06 | amphi | davi: you can do that through sysfs |
| 21:49.17 | ddfire | i am not a geek, i only have five computers in my home, teo in my room no one properly asembled |
| 21:49.24 | davi | amphi, I will read man sysfs |
| 21:49.25 | ddfire | *two |
| 21:49.32 | gravity | "only five"? |
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| 21:49.42 | KaRiM | beardy: tyvm |
| 21:49.43 | MoDaX | davi: load appropriate cpufreq module for your cpu type, install powernowd |
| 21:50.04 | davi | thanks MoDaX |
| 21:50.11 | ddfire | gravity, five runing at least 3 under the bed |
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| 21:50.20 | gravity | geez |
| 21:50.21 | amphi | davi: here I muck about in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/scpufreq IIRC |
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| 21:50.41 | davi | thanks amphi |
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| 21:51.17 | beardy | not all running though |
| 21:51.26 | Shadowcat | Eulex: where did you steal all those from? |
| 21:51.37 | gravity | I have two |
| 21:51.45 | gravity | Which is plenty |
| 21:52.01 | beardy | Only one more than one. ;) |
| 21:52.20 | gravity | More than one means even more work |
| 21:52.22 | Eulex | steal? most of them aren't worth more than maybe a few tens of bucks :) |
| 21:52.32 | phogg | at least, 10 that are on. |
| 21:52.33 | Shadowcat | Eulex: dumpster diving kid! |
| 21:52.41 | Eulex | nah |
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| 21:53.16 | Shadowcat | I should ship all this junk I have to Eulex |
| 21:53.26 | beardy | gravity: That's the reason many have more boxes. |
| 21:53.29 | Eulex | oh |
| 21:53.45 | Eulex | I've got one 2.5gb hdd lying here right behind my laptop |
| 21:53.54 | simonrvn | 4 are on |
| 21:54.00 | beardy | I have a 420MB disk, running. |
| 21:54.00 | gravity | I don't know how I'd get anything done if I had to maintain a lot of machines |
| 21:54.14 | stew | gravity: stable maintains itself |
| 21:54.21 | beardy | Indeed. |
| 21:54.22 | stew | i think i have 5 working laptops alone |
| 21:54.22 | Shadowcat | beardy: I got a 10mb IBM hd, 5 1/4 inch |
| 21:54.24 | Eulex | I have a 120mb hdd in one of the old 486's |
| 21:54.31 | beardy | Shadowcat: Cool. |
| 21:54.50 | gravity | heh |
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| 21:55.35 | Eulex | Shadowcat, hah, nice |
| 21:55.37 | beardy | I have a.. not sure about the size, the drive that was shipped with IBM ps/2 55SX anyway.. the battery is dead, so it doesn't boot. |
| 21:55.56 | beardy | hmm, 50-60MB IIRC. |
| 21:56.14 | beardy | It said on the label. |
| 21:56.39 | DeepFrze | my backup system doesn't recognize my mouse, it is not set up in /dev...however when I first reboot and try cat /dev/psaux I get a msg identifying my logitech mouse on isa0060/serio1...any ideas what I am missing? |
| 21:58.01 | Shadowcat | Eulex: I have a box that's older than you |
| 21:58.02 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 21:58.12 | beardy | I didn't have one, but a friend had a 386 which we had lots of fun with. |
| 21:58.14 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 21:58.19 | DeepFrze | udev is running, hal is running...hot plug is removed and psmouse is installed..?? |
| 21:58.27 | ddfire | MoDaX, i have installed kdelibs4-dev and i try to compile whit kdevelop |
| 21:58.30 | ddfire | and it works thanks |
| 21:58.31 | beardy | When 386's was teh shit. |
| 21:58.34 | ddfire | thanks all |
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| 21:58.51 | stew | DeepFrze: "modprobe mousedev"? what is the acutal error you are getting? |
| 21:58.59 | beardy | or well, affordable to normal people atleast |
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| 21:59.07 | beardy | </rant> |
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| 21:59.53 | beardy | resiak: You missed the ranting.. how many boxes do you have? |
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| 22:00.56 | resiak | beardy: You what now? |
| 22:01.24 | DeepFrze | stew: when trying to startx I get an error that it can't find my mouse |
| 22:01.38 | beardy | resiak: boxes/computers, how many? or nevermind :) |
| 22:01.50 | DeepFrze | stew; which isn't in /dev |
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| 22:03.15 | stew | DeepFrze: modprobe mousedev ; add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 22:03.24 | DeepFrze | stew; modprobe mousedev gives msg. ps/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 22:03.39 | stew | DeepFrze: try startx |
| 22:04.21 | DeepFrze | stew; I can see my mouse now...how do I get that to start on boot? |
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| 22:06.40 | stew | DeepFrze: add "mousedev" to /etc/modules |
| 22:06.42 | DeepFrze | stew, you're a genius...x started...but still don't know what to do to set it up for auto start on boot... |
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| 22:06.50 | DeepFrze | stew, okay |
| 22:07.03 | DeepFrze | stew; thanks a lot... |
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| 22:07.13 | stew | DeepFrze: you're welcome |
| 22:07.32 | resiak | stew: I own a desktop and a laptop; right now I have a work laptop too. why? |
| 22:07.44 | resiak | uh, s/stew/beardy/ |
| 22:08.00 | DeepFrze | stew; didn't see your second instruction above...thanks again..cheers |
| 22:09.45 | Thanatermesis | apt-file not works more on etch ? |
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| 22:13.07 | xarq | bitchx does have a lot in common with instant coffee |
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| 22:17.52 | Deformative | Alright, how do I install x? |
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| 22:21.56 | salah | does anyone know what the device name for joysticks are? |
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| 22:22.17 | yo_mero | Otto |
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| 22:22.20 | gravity | arg |
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| 22:22.46 | eastwood | ignore |
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| 22:23.20 | Deformative | Alright, how do I install x? |
| 22:23.32 | eastwood | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 22:23.36 | salah | Deformative, apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 22:23.43 | Deformative | Thanks. |
| 22:23.45 | Cybodog | apt-get install mdetect x-window-server |
| 22:23.46 | gravity | azeem: Thanks... something is weird in my irssi config... |
| 22:23.50 | xarq | which package determines the text color of the virtual terminal? grub? |
| 22:23.50 | salah | eastwood, three seconds before me :( |
| 22:23.59 | eastwood | salah, lag? :) |
| 22:24.00 | gravity | Deformative: What version of Debian? |
| 22:24.07 | salah | ;) |
| 22:24.10 | eastwood | Deformative, if possible |
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| 22:24.16 | eastwood | install the the modular version |
| 22:24.23 | eastwood | > 7.0 |
| 22:24.23 | Deformative | The newest one, I just downloaded it like 5 minutes ago. |
| 22:24.30 | eastwood | check the version |
| 22:24.37 | eastwood | apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
| 22:24.40 | gravity | Deformative: Install x-window-system |
| 22:24.50 | Cybodog | eastwood, see my comment apt-get install mdetect x-window-server |
| 22:24.53 | gravity | eastwood: That's not available to him |
| 22:24.58 | gravity | Cybodog: There is no x-window-server package |
| 22:24.59 | m0dY | what's the best non-heavy mail server? |
| 22:25.08 | m0dY | secured one |
| 22:25.08 | azeem | m0dY: exim4 |
| 22:25.10 | eastwood | m0dY, exim |
| 22:25.15 | azeem | m0dY: how many users? |
| 22:25.18 | salah | any suggestion to my question? somebody should know this? I have been looking everywhere |
| 22:25.21 | m0dY | a lot |
| 22:25.38 | azeem | m0dY: so what do you mean with "non-heavy"? |
| 22:25.46 | m0dY | i've been workin for more than 3 years with exim,, i wonder if there's something better tho |
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| 22:26.04 | Cybodog | gravity, you are right it is x-window-system |
| 22:26.12 | cypt0 | hello, i hava problems with xorg, i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and this do not modified the xorg.conf file... |
| 22:26.16 | Matzz | !moo |
| 22:26.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:26.28 | gravity | cypt0: Known bug. Just edit it by hand. |
| 22:26.45 | m0dY | i meant that it could handle about 500 or more mails /min. |
| 22:26.55 | Deformative | x-window-system worked. |
| 22:26.56 | tuv | acroread7's full-screen mode has the gnome's panels visible.. this didn't used to be the case. how can i fix it? |
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| 22:27.03 | Cybodog | cypt0, just a sec, I will tell you how to get dpkg to modify xorg.conf |
| 22:27.07 | cypt0 | gravity: i erase too, and xorg start why??? |
| 22:27.12 | Deformative | Thanks gravety. |
| 22:27.13 | azeem | tuv: ask Adobe |
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| 22:27.15 | eastwood | Cybodog, i saw it |
| 22:27.17 | gravity | cypt0: It can run without an xorg.conf |
| 22:27.23 | Deformative | Thanks gravity. * |
| 22:27.24 | eastwood | but i wanted him to install xorg7.0 |
| 22:27.27 | m0dY | think ill stick with exim |
| 22:27.31 | eastwood | to avoid migrating work |
| 22:27.33 | gravity | eastwood: He can't with stable |
| 22:27.41 | eastwood | yeah, he cant |
| 22:27.46 | tuv | i thought someone here might have run into the same problem and discovered a solution |
| 22:28.05 | eastwood | he can with testing |
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| 22:28.34 | m0dY | also, is there a way to put an apt-get exclude list |
| 22:28.45 | Cybodog | cypt0, md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >| /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum change xfreeconfig to xorg.conf then run dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 22:28.49 | m0dY | so i could specify pkgs not to be installed/listed/updated... |
| 22:29.43 | Deformative | Just checking, debian stable, CAN install e17, right? |
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| 22:30.14 | Cybodog | Deformative, you might have serious issues installing that on stable |
| 22:30.16 | cypt0 | Cybodog: thx, i try it, where can i read about this??? |
| 22:30.38 | Deformative | So what should I have installed? |
| 22:30.41 | Cybodog | cypt0, I found it here, don't know where else it is posted: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 22:30.45 | Deformative | Testing? |
| 22:30.49 | eastwood | yep |
| 22:30.57 | freebox | Hello! Exist some PPTP Server that auth in an NT Domain? (To replace the Win2k VPN Server transparently) |
| 22:31.01 | Deformative | Alright, I am gonna download that instead then. |
| 22:31.01 | Cybodog | Deformative, elive is based on e17 and it uses testing |
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| 22:31.24 | Deformative | Elive is very buggy with its package manager and whatnot. |
| 22:31.35 | m0dY | is there a way to put an apt-get exclude list?!! |
| 22:32.00 | eastwood | !exclude |
| 22:32.01 | Cybodog | oh, I agree, and I dont like e17 Deformative just saying that is what they are using, by def. stable is, well stable and does not have new libs |
| 22:32.27 | m0dY | eastwood: i think dpkg is sleeping now |
| 22:32.33 | m0dY | :/ |
| 22:32.35 | Deformative | Well, I am new to linux. |
| 22:32.45 | Deformative | But I liked the accual window manager e17. |
| 22:32.50 | Deformative | I just didn't like elive. |
| 22:32.56 | Cybodog | Deformative, e17 IS buggy |
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| 22:33.06 | Cybodog | e17 is beta, pre-release |
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| 22:33.12 | Deformative | I wanna run like e17 or 16 with rox. |
| 22:33.31 | Cybodog | 16 is doable, in stable and test, and unstable |
| 22:33.40 | eastwood | m0dY, guess so but google is ur friend |
| 22:33.49 | Deformative | Why, do you have another heavy eye candy but still lightweight window manager to recomend for me? |
| 22:34.07 | infernix | dear security team, i can figure out myself whether an audio file received through IM is safe for my computer or not, thank you very much for blocking access without me having a clue where to look for the file now |
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| 22:34.19 | thetrue | hello |
| 22:34.19 | infernix | </rant> |
| 22:34.19 | Deformative | I hate metacity, hogs too much resources. |
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| 22:34.35 | eastwood | i love kde integration |
| 22:34.36 | Cybodog | Deformative, I use xfce4, but to each thier own |
| 22:34.41 | evilgeek | infernix: what did they change? |
| 22:34.55 | Cybodog | Deformative, not knocking your choice, just saying it is buggy and in heavy dev. |
| 22:35.10 | Deformative | Yes I know. |
| 22:35.13 | thetrue | how i can enable the support off ä ö ü ß on my server? i need this, if i forget enter it as html code |
| 22:35.19 | Deformative | But the parts that do work, work well. |
| 22:35.25 | Deformative | I am just new to this. |
| 22:35.37 | Deformative | So I do not know very much about what there is to choose from... |
| 22:35.45 | eastwood | thetrue, ssh ? |
| 22:35.50 | eastwood | i didnt get your point |
| 22:35.53 | infernix | evilgeek: 1) friend sends mp3 over throuhg msn 2) when I open it it's deemed insecure and blocked. god knows where tho. time to put a bullet in this windows install:P |
| 22:35.54 | thetrue | no, http, html ;() |
| 22:35.55 | thetrue | ;) |
| 22:36.16 | eastwood | infernix, i assume you are using msn messenger |
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| 22:37.15 | eastwood | thetrue, web server? |
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| 22:37.21 | thetrue | jop+ |
| 22:37.26 | thetrue | apache 2 |
| 22:37.28 | thetrue | on debian |
| 22:37.29 | eastwood | apt-get install apache2 |
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| 22:37.54 | Cybodog | Deformative, for incusive wm, try xfce4, gnome, kde and I suppose E17 |
| 22:37.54 | thetrue | apache 2 is installed, but i will add the ä,ö,ü,ß support |
| 22:37.56 | evilgeek | infernix: oh, this isn't the debian security team that screwed with things. fair enough. |
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| 22:38.16 | eastwood | add utf support somewhere |
| 22:38.19 | thetrue | a kind like parser, that parse the ä,ö,ü in the html code |
| 22:38.22 | eastwood | look in the manual |
| 22:38.25 | Deformative | gnome and kde comes with too much. |
| 22:38.32 | eastwood | but that has to do with meta header in the page |
| 22:38.45 | thetrue | yes, i know |
| 22:38.46 | eastwood | Deformative, if you install the meta package yes |
| 22:38.56 | thetrue | but without meta tags? |
| 22:38.58 | eastwood | but you have a minimum package |
| 22:38.59 | thetrue | as default |
| 22:39.14 | eastwood | thetrue, try using quanta |
| 22:39.17 | eastwood | it will help |
| 22:39.26 | eastwood | Deformative, check kdebase package |
| 22:39.38 | thetrue | ... |
| 22:39.49 | thetrue | i need a pakage for apache |
| 22:39.58 | eastwood | i dont think so |
| 22:40.02 | eastwood | but i aint sure |
| 22:40.06 | Cybodog | thetrue, what pakage do you need? |
| 22:40.17 | Deformative | I want a lightweight wm with eye candy. |
| 22:40.26 | Deformative | MAybe even one I can make my own themes for. |
| 22:40.29 | Cybodog | Deformative, try xfce4 |
| 22:40.30 | thetrue | a pakege like parser for the ASCII codes ä,ö,ü etc |
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| 22:40.45 | Deformative | Alright, once I get this installed I will. |
| 22:40.51 | Cybodog | Deformative, if you want a lot of work to set it up, see fluxbox or openbox |
| 22:40.51 | eastwood | get kde |
| 22:41.08 | Cybodog | kde has tons of eye candy |
| 22:41.23 | eastwood | you dont need to install them all |
| 22:41.27 | eastwood | i just get the ones i use |
| 22:41.29 | Deformative | Yeah, but dosen't kde use allot of resources? |
| 22:41.43 | Cybodog | that is what resources are for deformative |
| 22:41.49 | Deformative | And this is dumb, but I dont like kde just because of the panel. |
| 22:41.51 | Deformative | XD |
| 22:42.03 | Cybodog | if you are not using them, you are wasting your money on the computer |
| 22:42.04 | eastwood | you can use kxdocker |
| 22:42.16 | eastwood | and hide the the panel |
| 22:42.20 | Cybodog | Deformative, not dumb, just a matter of tastes. |
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| 22:42.32 | eastwood | i love baghira on kde |
| 22:42.34 | Cybodog | that is why I use xfce4 or gnome |
| 22:42.38 | eastwood | its ovely |
| 22:42.43 | eastwood | lovely* |
| 22:42.54 | Cybodog | eastwood, true, they have a nice tile matching game and konquest |
| 22:43.17 | eastwood | oh, i wasnt aware of that |
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| 22:43.35 | Cybodog | eastwood, I will try to find it |
| 22:44.16 | Cybodog | eastwood shisen-sho |
| 22:44.20 | Deformative | Is there a wm that has an effect simular to osx when you minimize a window? |
| 22:44.54 | Deformative | Me eather. |
| 22:44.58 | Deformative | I used it at school. |
| 22:45.07 | Deformative | And did some reasearch about it. |
| 22:45.11 | Deformative | And I like osx allot. |
| 22:45.17 | eastwood | nonix4, but with xgl you can have some of those |
| 22:45.22 | eastwood | no* |
| 22:45.30 | Deformative | But I will not waist money on crappy mac hardware just for the os. |
| 22:45.44 | cypt0 | Cybodog: i have another problem, dpkg-reconfigure dont ask me about the monitor type, and resolution, you have any idea??? |
| 22:45.52 | Cybodog | but, you can install windows on a mac! |
| 22:46.04 | eastwood | cydork, --priority=low |
| 22:46.09 | Deformative | Why on earth would you ever do that! |
| 22:46.18 | Deformative | Mac os with way better than windows. |
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| 22:46.19 | Deformative | Lol. |
| 22:46.39 | patrickj | Finally I got dual lcds :D |
| 22:46.42 | Cybodog | cypt0 eastwood is faster: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xorg.conf |
| 22:46.46 | Deformative | Just pc hardware is much, better, and cheeper too. |
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| 22:47.09 | Deformative | And that is why I have started trying to learn some unix. |
| 22:47.37 | jelly-home | Cybodog: surely you meant to dpkg-reconfigure a package like xserver-xorg not a file like xorg.conf |
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| 22:47.48 | Cybodog | jelly-home |
| 22:47.58 | Cybodog | jelly-home surely |
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| 22:48.58 | Deformative | For a noobie, what is better stable or testing? I still want new softwear, but I dont want it to be super buggy. |
| 22:49.00 | Cybodog | cypt0, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 22:49.20 | Cybodog | Deformative, for stability stay out of testing |
| 22:49.30 | Cybodog | for new stuff go to sid, that simple. |
| 22:49.35 | Cybodog | testing is for testing |
| 22:49.36 | beardy | Cybodog: And you thought being here would make it better? |
| 22:49.48 | Cybodog | beardy no stupid windows questions |
| 22:49.57 | cypt0 | Cybodog: yes, i do it, but no ask me about resolution and monitor type.. |
| 22:50.10 | beardy | Cybodog: Ah, it might improve your condition a bit then. |
| 22:50.13 | Cybodog | cypt0 apt-get mdetect |
| 22:50.27 | Cybodog | indeed beardy |
| 22:50.27 | Deformative | Cybodog, sid? |
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| 22:50.49 | eastwood | unstable=sid |
| 22:50.56 | eastwood | testing0etch |
| 22:50.57 | Deformative | Thanks, |
| 22:51.00 | eastwood | stable=sarge |
| 22:51.04 | Cybodog | Deformative, I am a minority, I would go to sid: sid is unstable and had many flucuations in packages (that is what unstable means) but it works |
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| 22:51.32 | Cybodog | testing is for devs to TEST and see if it breaks, but nobody cares if it does break, except near a release |
| 22:51.41 | eastwood | stable is too damn outdated.. |
| 22:51.44 | azeem | Cybodog: please keep supporting Deformative then |
| 22:51.53 | azeem | Cybodog: because most of us won't |
| 22:51.57 | patrickj | here goes nothing, time to install debian |
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| 22:52.05 | patrickj | does the debian net install cd have emacs? |
| 22:52.05 | Cybodog | azeem I run my own chat room just for that reason |
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| 22:52.09 | patrickj | *have links |
| 22:52.13 | azeem | Cybodog: fine |
| 22:52.30 | azeem | patrickj: have links? |
| 22:52.32 | eastwood | patrickj, there should be 1 with it |
| 22:52.36 | beardy | Cybodog: Actually, that's what unstable is for. To test things by developers and other people that are willing to help and report bugs. |
| 22:52.38 | patrickj | okay |
| 22:52.42 | patrickj | links as in the browser... |
| 22:52.44 | Cybodog | Deformative, also apt-get install apt-listbugs if you go to sid and READ the results before you say yes |
| 22:52.51 | patrickj | or is the install cd graphical? |
| 22:53.01 | eastwood | ncurses gui |
| 22:53.06 | eastwood | +- graphical |
| 22:53.13 | Deformative | Thankyou cybodog. |
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| 22:53.18 | patrickj | lol ok |
| 22:53.26 | beardy | !room |
| 22:53.27 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:53.28 | Daishi | isnt there any cp with like a little status thing...like how wget has the bar that fills up with equal signs as stuff copies |
| 22:53.44 | Cybodog | beardy, yes, but if it breaks, they (normaly) fix it fast, but not so in testing |
| 22:53.55 | eastwood | Daishi, all i can remeber is -v |
| 22:54.04 | gravity | Daishi: I think you can use rsync with --progress |
| 22:54.05 | Daishi | heh -v |
| 22:54.10 | patrickj | hmm well here goes |
| 22:54.12 | patrickj | *gulp* |
| 22:54.19 | eastwood | but kde implements that saying own many bytes are left to copy |
| 22:54.24 | beardy | Cybodog: Anyway. Someone new to Debian, and especially to *nix at all, should run stable. |
| 22:54.30 | Daishi | gravity: yea but id never get used to that |
| 22:54.31 | patrickj | backed up my xorg.conf :D |
| 22:54.33 | Cybodog | Deformative, if you break your box in sid you will own both halfs READ apt-listbugs warning very very carefully |
| 22:54.39 | patrickj | be back in a bit if install goes well :P |
| 22:54.40 | Daishi | yea i still copy using the command line |
| 22:54.55 | Daishi | dont use kde or gnome...<3 fluxbox |
| 22:54.59 | Cybodog | I did say I was in the minority: some one new to linux should not run debian |
| 22:55.03 | eastwood | sometimes is faster by CL |
| 22:55.06 | eastwood | sometimes isn't |
| 22:55.07 | Cybodog | ubuntu works quite well |
| 22:55.21 | Daishi | Cybodog: to be fair i was new to linux and i installed and ran slackware |
| 22:55.24 | patrickj | ubuntu uses alot of memory |
| 22:55.30 | Cybodog | and I sid |
| 22:55.32 | beardy | Cybodog: No.. |
| 22:55.33 | gravity | Someone new to linux is perfectly fine with Debian, provided it suits what they want to do |
| 22:55.34 | Daishi | quite unsucessfully for a few months |
| 22:55.38 | patrickj | I ran/installed gentoo knowing almost nothing about linux |
| 22:55.48 | Daishi | but it was easier than mdk 8 |
| 22:55.51 | Cybodog | 30 days to X winows after base install |
| 22:55.52 | beardy | Cybodog: There's no problem at all to start, and stay with Debian. |
| 22:55.59 | patrickj | bbl |
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| 22:56.12 | Cybodog | beardy I agree, but will MOST people? |
| 22:56.23 | beardy | Cybodog: I don't care. |
| 22:56.27 | Cybodog | "where did I save that file?" |
| 22:56.31 | beardy | Cybodog: Most people are morons. |
| 22:56.37 | Cybodog | agreed |
| 22:57.05 | beardy | !beer Cybodog |
| 22:57.18 | Cybodog | nice |
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| 22:58.32 | Cybodog | beardy, the thing I hear from newbs is "it is too old" the solution is sid, not old at all. But just like fc5 or manwatize it will behave strangly from time to time. |
| 22:58.49 | Cybodog | for some reason, newer is better |
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| 22:59.02 | beardy | Cybodog: They seem to think so, always, yes. But that's wrong. |
| 22:59.03 | Cybodog | never mind the newest kernel breaks things, it is NEWER |
| 22:59.25 | Cybodog | and fc5 zelots and gentoo fans all say debian is tooooo old |
| 22:59.41 | Cybodog | but I have yet to see apt-get like function in anything |
| 22:59.43 | beardy | What did you expect? |
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| 23:00.07 | evilgeek | to be fair, i did nearly all of my undergraduate degree between when sarge was released and when woody was released. |
| 23:00.13 | beardy | To each their own. |
| 23:00.15 | seeds | yup apt is great |
| 23:00.20 | Cybodog | so, if I can not disuade them, well, welcome to sid, with the 50/50 warrenty |
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| 23:00.34 | seeds | debian is gold |
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| 23:00.40 | Cybodog | evilgeek, now that is true |
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| 23:00.42 | ojai | is there a way to select all packages belonging to a particular "Section" (like x11 or kde)? |
| 23:00.49 | Daishi | i run etch and its pretty stable |
| 23:00.59 | Daishi | and packages arent that old |
| 23:01.05 | ojai | say for example that you've got a Knoppix system but want to get rid of all of the X packages? |
| 23:01.10 | jelly-home | ojai: chances are some conflict with each other. |
| 23:01.15 | ktwilight | debian is great, until i can't get my wireless running :/ |
| 23:01.15 | Cybodog | daishi right untill they dump stuff in and discover major breakage |
| 23:01.16 | Daishi | i just have problems with X that i always seem to need to solve every time i update it |
| 23:01.28 | jelly-home | !remove x |
| 23:01.28 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 23:01.29 | Daishi | Cybodog: thats what unstable is for |
| 23:01.42 | beardy | ojai: It's called metapackages. "kde" is one, for example, they depend on a lot of other packages, so you only have to install the metapackage, if you want all things they depend on. |
| 23:01.53 | ojai | jelly-home: why not remove X? |
| 23:01.55 | Cybodog | daishi, no that is NOT what unstable is for |
| 23:02.09 | Daishi | Cybodog: for catching major problems? |
| 23:02.15 | Cybodog | unstable means the package MOVE in and out with diff versions |
| 23:02.17 | jelly-home | ojai: I didn't say not to remove x. |
| 23:02.31 | beardy | ojai: If you have a knoppix "system"? Go to #knoppix. |
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| 23:03.03 | Daishi | heh i wasnt challenging you |
| 23:03.09 | Daishi | ive only been on debian about a year |
| 23:03.11 | ojai | beardy: I don't have a problem with every package that depends on X going away too (just trying to get a shrunk down system) |
| 23:03.20 | Daishi | im still having trouble with doing things the "debian way" |
| 23:03.24 | jelly-home | Cybodog: you started with woody? I started with a floppy. |
| 23:03.27 | Cybodog | test is to TEST the new release. nobody cares if it breaks untill release time. Devs use sid, they care if it is borked |
| 23:03.38 | Cybodog | woody was a floopy at the time |
| 23:03.40 | Daishi | i still want the slackware way...then again that leads to a majorly broken system |
| 23:03.42 | beardy | ojai: Don't install them in the first place. And still, this is #debian, not #knoppix, go to #knoppix, /join #knoppix. |
| 23:03.49 | Cybodog | image was still new and experimental |
| 23:03.57 | axolx | hey guys. i was wondering is there's a way to open a file (say an html file) that's in a server i ssh to, and have it display firefox on my desktop? (that is, without first copying the file from the server to my desktop) |
| 23:04.03 | ktwilight | true |
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| 23:04.46 | ktwilight | axolx, you can either use lynx/w3m, or set up apache? |
| 23:04.49 | Cybodog | axolx, no, if I understand right, by def. ssh is ON that server desktop |
| 23:05.15 | Cybodog | ktwilight, that might work, terminal browser |
| 23:05.17 | jelly-home | axolx: you could run firefox on the remote server if (it's installed there) and (you have decent (bandwidth and/or patience)) |
| 23:05.29 | Cybodog | jelly-home, and x forwared |
| 23:05.31 | beardy | ojai: For a "shrunk down system" do what dpkg says now. |
| 23:05.35 | beardy | !d-i ojai |
| 23:05.35 | dpkg | ojai, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:05.40 | axolx | ktwilight: html was just an example. another time it could be an mp3, etc etc |
| 23:05.47 | Cybodog | lol beardy |
| 23:05.52 | ktwilight | axolx, it's gonna be difficult then |
| 23:06.09 | Daishi | axolx: you can if you have a webserver running |
| 23:06.09 | ktwilight | if you wanna stream mp3s from your server, then you need to install a streaming server |
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| 23:06.20 | Daishi | mpd does streaming pretty well |
| 23:06.22 | Cybodog | ojai, in a jut shell he is saying why go to the complexity of knoppix when you can do it in debian and stay 100% comapt. with debian |
| 23:06.26 | ktwilight | or just to download mp3s, you still need to get apache working, or ftp, or sftp |
| 23:06.34 | ktwilight | 'xactly Daishi :) |
| 23:06.36 | beardy | ojai: That means, install Debian instead, and install only what you need and want. |
| 23:06.39 | jelly-home | Though, viewing the file through a web server is just another means to download it. |
| 23:06.44 | ktwilight | i still need sometime to check out mpd on a server |
| 23:06.50 | axolx | Daishi: righ. i guess i could have a script that temporarily copies the file to a location served by the webserver |
| 23:07.08 | ktwilight | webserver is your best solution it seems axolx. :) |
| 23:07.12 | Daishi | but if its a specific file type (like mp3) there should be much nicer programs than a script |
| 23:07.23 | axolx | ktwilight: yup sounds like it |
| 23:07.27 | ktwilight | and slap in an Index directory somewhere |
| 23:07.30 | Daishi | or web server (unless its html/php etc) |
| 23:07.34 | ojai | beardy: yeah, I hear you -- it just seems like Knoppix's hardware detection init scripts are a lot better |
| 23:07.37 | ktwilight | that way whenever you move your files, you still can see it easily |
| 23:07.44 | ktwilight | but then, you gotta set up robots.txt too ;) |
| 23:07.50 | Cybodog | ahhhh #debian where even the stupid questions aren't |
| 23:08.14 | jelly-home | axolx: would you be content with just the beginning of the file? You could mount the remote filesystem with sshfs and use your favourite viewer. |
| 23:08.22 | axolx | i run to this problem everytime i check my email with mutt on my server and someone sent an attachemtn. i usually scp to my desktop, but i was wondering if there was a better way to access the X server on my desktop from the server |
| 23:08.46 | Cybodog | axolx do you have admin rights on the server? |
| 23:08.50 | ojai | but I was just thinking that there's got to be a way other than sifting through /var/lib/dpkg/status for all of the packages that belong to a specific Section |
| 23:08.58 | axolx | Cybodog: im da man in my server :) |
| 23:09.01 | beardy | ojai: They are good yes, and knoppix is good as a livecd, to boot and solve a problem, if something bad has happened, but that's it, and that is what it was meant to be. WHat hardware have you trouble with in Debian? Ask here and someone can most likely help you get it working. |
| 23:09.13 | ktwilight | hmm...maybe forwarding X11 over ssh should work for ya axolx |
| 23:09.20 | Cybodog | axolx, you could forward X, but that is a (big) security hole |
| 23:09.21 | axolx | jelly-home: never heard of sshfs. i'll take a look |
| 23:09.55 | axolx | Cybodog: ktwilight: when you say forward X, what direction do you mean? |
| 23:10.21 | ojai | beardy: no specific hardware -- I'm working on a project for a client who wants to have their Debian based distro on a thumb drive and who knows what type of hardware they're going to be plugging into |
| 23:10.31 | Cybodog | you server out x to the client, the client term is an xsession from the server |
| 23:10.41 | ktwilight | axolx, i've no idea really. i only know of the concept |
| 23:10.48 | ktwilight | you need to search at debian-administration.org |
| 23:10.54 | ktwilight | or some people here may know |
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| 23:11.08 | ktwilight | but as Cybodog said, there is a big security hole? |
| 23:11.09 | axolx | Cybodog: ah. that would require that i install X on the server. not too keen on that |
| 23:11.10 | jelly-home | axolx: it's alpha quality software, uses fuse (added in kernel 2.6.15 or in separate patches for earlier kernels) and sftp to make your remote files accessable via sftp look like they're mounted locally. |
| 23:11.11 | Cybodog | http://www.debian-administration.org/users/Utumno/weblog/10 |
| 23:11.27 | ktwilight | no X eh? |
| 23:11.38 | jelly-home | axolx: it's nice when you have ssh access but not much more. |
| 23:11.43 | ktwilight | axolx, how 'bout writing an automated script? |
| 23:11.43 | Cybodog | what? what kinda windows admin does not install X? |
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| 23:11.57 | axolx | jelly-home: im at the sshfs sourceforge page right now. sounds really interesting. would address lots of my networking desires |
| 23:12.02 | ktwilight | not all servers needs a windows manager :P |
| 23:12.13 | beardy | ojai: Oh, then start modifying knoppix to suit your needs? Or start from scratch with Debian, I'm not sure which is easiest actually. |
| 23:12.16 | jelly-home | axolx: if you're running testing, it's already there. |
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| 23:12.39 | axolx | ktwilight: i think that's what im goint to end up doing. writing a script to temporarily place the file somewhere served by the webserver |
| 23:12.40 | beardy | ojai: Most likely you have to sit and remove things by hand if you modify knoppix. |
| 23:12.50 | Cybodog | ojai, is debian the best for a THUMB drive, I mean there are distros out there that do just that? |
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| 23:12.52 | axolx | jelly-home: im running testing :) |
| 23:13.06 | stoned | did you ever fall asleep on a late afternon, and wake up after dark, and you don't know what goddamn day it is? |
| 23:13.09 | ktwilight | axolx, i don't quite fully understand MTA, but maybe symlink your mail folder to a webserver dir? |
| 23:13.10 | stoned | happens to me sometimes |
| 23:13.15 | Daishi | anyone have any suggestions for a program to manage video? like make a catalog complete with info and previews |
| 23:13.37 | ktwilight | been there stoned :) |
| 23:13.48 | beardy | ojai: and what Cybodog said aswell, there might already be a nice working "thumbdrive" system that suits your needs, perhaps based on Debian, or not. |
| 23:14.03 | Cybodog | ojai http://freeculture.reddit.com/info/4nyj/comments/c4nyl |
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| 23:14.12 | beardy | ojai: distrowatch.com |
| 23:14.24 | beardy | hmm, or .org or .net.. |
| 23:14.37 | Cybodog | http://feraga.com/node/30 |
| 23:15.06 | Cybodog | what size drive ojai? |
| 23:15.32 | jelly-home | axolx: there is also vnc, if you want to view remote graphic apps. I sometimes use it from home to view an already running app on my desktop at work. |
| 23:15.37 | Cybodog | jelly-home, but he has no graphics |
| 23:15.37 | axolx | jelly-home: does sshfs intend to be an alternative to webdav, nfs, samba, etc? |
| 23:15.50 | beardy | ojai: or based on knoppix or some other livecd, more likely |
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| 23:16.24 | Gumby | Is there an equivalent to Microsoft Frontpage or Macromedia Dreamweaver open-source project anywhere??? |
| 23:16.25 | jelly-home | axolx: it could be, but it's implemented in userspace and not extremely robust. It is small and handy though. |
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| 23:16.38 | stoned | Gumby, I do not think so, about the latter |
| 23:16.40 | gravity | Gumby: nvu, although I've never used it |
| 23:16.42 | Cybodog | Gumby define quifalent |
| 23:16.43 | stoned | Gumby, but there is NVU for linux |
| 23:17.11 | stoned | stoned, or actually Quanta in KDE is also very good for web development |
| 23:17.13 | beardy | !wysiwyg html editor |
| 23:17.13 | dpkg | If you are looking for a wysiwyg html editor, try quanta, Mozilla composer, bluefish (has support for php), or nvu (not available in sarge though). |
| 23:17.14 | stoned | not me |
| 23:17.16 | stoned | doh! |
| 23:17.20 | stoned | why did I just address myself |
| 23:17.21 | Cybodog | quantqa rocks |
| 23:17.26 | jelly-home | axolx: definitely not enterprise quality ;-) |
| 23:17.51 | axolx | jelly-home: im hardly an enterprise :) |
| 23:18.01 | Gumby | Cybodog: software that uses frontpage extensions to let me update a website remotely (and *not* an online content managment system that I have to install) |
| 23:18.12 | Cybodog | gumby no |
| 23:18.36 | Cybodog | frontpage uses frontpage extensions |
| 23:18.39 | beardy | Gumby: What's wrong with ftp, or scp/sftp? |
| 23:18.41 | jelly-home | axolx: well, in this case enterprise might mean "a piece of software you can leave for a week of two unattended and not worry about it breaking". |
| 23:18.49 | Gumby | beardy: dumb clients who want to update the page themselves :( |
| 23:19.04 | Cybodog | gumby, I know of a work around |
| 23:19.35 | Gumby | Cybodog: other than grudgingly update the website every day myself, what's that? |
| 23:19.43 | beardy | Gumby: IIRC quanta has some buttons and things to upload over ftp, check it out. |
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| 23:20.10 | Gumby | beardy: cool, thanks for the suggestion--i'll give 'er a look |
| 23:20.20 | Cybodog | gumby, YOU make a css and import into blogger, charge client for css and they can add anything they want in blooger |
| 23:20.39 | beardy | Gumby: Have a look at the other ones aswell, they probably also have something like that. |
| 23:20.39 | Cybodog | quanta rocks as a tool, no wysiwyg |
| 23:20.46 | jelly-home | beardy: A HP support engineer had a nice definition of enterprise, we were supposedly enterprise if we spent $300,000 yearly on their services. ;-) Anything below, not enterprise. |
| 23:20.57 | ktwilight | haha |
| 23:21.06 | stoned | wysiwyg is limiting |
| 23:21.10 | stoned | imo |
| 23:21.10 | Gumby | Cybodog: I already have a CSS, but I'm not sure how difficult it'll be to import to a blogger |
| 23:21.19 | Cybodog | frontpage is limiting |
| 23:21.28 | stoned | sussudio, woah, long time no see |
| 23:21.30 | Cybodog | gumby esay |
| 23:21.31 | beardy | stoned: indeed |
| 23:21.32 | axolx | jelly-home: yeah i know. either way, sounds like a really interesting project. every ssh related project i used has been pretty good to me :) either way in this case, i think i will handle the problem with a litle script that makes a temporary copy of the file i want to open on the webserver, and maybe even returns a URL that i can just paste |
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| 23:21.42 | Gumby | stoned: I agree, but they just wanna change text and pictures |
| 23:21.43 | stoned | sussudio, where have you been hiding? |
| 23:21.50 | sussudio | i have not. |
| 23:21.54 | Cybodog | gumby join #oklinux |
| 23:21.59 | nima | lspci -X no longer exists, what do i do to survive? |
| 23:22.04 | Cybodog | I know a webdev I think is around, he does htat |
| 23:22.04 | beardy | Gumby: But why not a cms? |
| 23:22.20 | beardy | Gumby: There are plenty to choose from of course.. but some seem good enough. |
| 23:22.26 | stoned | opensourcecms.com/org whatever |
| 23:22.35 | Gumby | beardy: I'm worried that it'll be too complicated to set up or too complicated to use. I gave joomla a look and it's too full-featured. i need simplicity for my clients |
| 23:22.47 | stoned | if you want a very simple CMS, try SimpleCMS.de I think |
| 23:23.15 | beardy | Gumby: Search and you'll find all sorts of featurelevels and ease of use. |
| 23:23.45 | beardy | Gumby: Are they going to install them, or only write content? |
| 23:23.57 | Gumby | only write content |
| 23:23.59 | stoned | Gumby, simiplecms is a flat file CMS. no DB needed. Everything on the site is controlled by ONE html file |
| 23:24.08 | stoned | Gumby, that one I reccomment to my clients as well sometimes |
| 23:24.30 | stoned | and it is VERY trivial to setup also |
| 23:25.00 | Gumby | stoned: cool, thx for the link |
| 23:25.35 | stoned | Gumby, also, etomite is very very good. Extremely easy to setup, but you need a mysql db for that. It supports user accounts, and those can be limited to what they can do, where they can add content etc. |
| 23:25.55 | ojai | beardy, Cybodog: they said that it's a 1Gb thumb drive and that they have their own apps that they've already got working on Debian (which I of course thought was the smart way to go) :) |
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| 23:26.03 | thetrue | hello |
| 23:26.07 | stoned | hi |
| 23:26.19 | ojai | I'll check out that link you sent, Cybodog -- thanks! |
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| 23:26.40 | Cybodog | ojai, by "own apps' do you mean they wrote them or they have a lists? |
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| 23:26.58 | thetrue | i have a problem with my root server, i can't get the mails |
| 23:27.14 | thetrue | and when i send a mail the mail will not be send |
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| 23:27.52 | multi_io | "xutils: Depends: libfontenc1 but it is not going to be installed" |
| 23:27.52 | fffff | modprobe Intel537 FATAL: Error inserting Intel537 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/char/Intel537.ko): Operation not permitted What does this mean exactly ? |
| 23:28.12 | multi_io | this has got to be one of the most useless error messages I've ever seen |
| 23:28.40 | multi_io | fffff: you're not root? |
| 23:28.52 | fffff | multi_io , yes, I am |
| 23:30.10 | multi_io | can you insert other modules? |
| 23:30.58 | fffff | multi_io yes, I can |
| 23:31.18 | ojai | Cybodog: from what I understand, they are their own apps that they (whoever "they" are -- I'm still not sure exactly) have written |
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| 23:32.42 | multi_io | fffff: I would try "strace modprobe Intel537" and look for "EPERM" or similar in the output |
| 23:33.57 | Cybodog | ojai, so you need to find out what the deps are and see if they fit the size of the storage, find a cool howto on installing debian on the thumbdrive and install it. |
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| 23:34.41 | multi_io | can't apt-get tell my why libfontenc1 isn't going to be installed? |
| 23:34.57 | ktwilight | of course it can... |
| 23:34.58 | Cybodog | ojai, install test sytem on a partition and see www.damtek.com/damtek_howto.php to install ONLY the base system |
| 23:35.09 | multi_io | ktwilight: how? |
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| 23:35.16 | fffff | multi_io , init_module("ELF", 0x4006f0) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 23:35.26 | ktwilight | when you do apt-get install libfontenc1 |
| 23:35.26 | paulsen | Is there a meta-package to install popular developer tools? (gcc, autoconf etc) |
| 23:35.28 | Cybodog | ojai, then install only the deps and the apps and see what size it is |
| 23:35.45 | ktwilight | if it installs, it will say "done" if not, it'll have a bunch of error message |
| 23:35.45 | Cybodog | paulsen, yes but mosly by wm |
| 23:35.53 | paulsen | Cybodog: what is wm? |
| 23:36.10 | Cybodog | kde-webdevolopers |
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| 23:36.18 | Cybodog | paulsen window manager |
| 23:36.28 | paulsen | a window manager installs gcc and autoconf? |
| 23:36.30 | ojai | whatever happened to Debian's GUI installer BTW? I thought Progeny was working on something a while ago? |
| 23:37.03 | multi_io | ktwilight: the point is that I didn't want to do that manually with all 527 packages that aren't "going to be installed" |
| 23:37.05 | paulsen | right now I'm trying to compile some software, and its breaking because of missing tools in the base system |
| 23:37.24 | paulsen | and if I remember correctly, there is a 'set' of apt packages that can be installed to make this job easier |
| 23:37.28 | gravity | ojai: It's progressing, although it's not progeny |
| 23:37.29 | ktwilight | multi_io, sorry, dont understand |
| 23:37.29 | paulsen | but I cannot remember the name. |
| 23:37.39 | Cybodog | paulsen, I pull that stuff in with like kernel-package |
| 23:37.55 | Cybodog | and I still need to get ncurses lib dev |
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| 23:38.22 | Cybodog | and there is another I don't get, but I can't remember what, utils? |
| 23:38.23 | multi_io | the original command was "apt-get install x11-common nvidia-glx". it outputs ca. 27 "not going to be installed" messages, one of them being the one I cited. |
| 23:38.23 | Laibsch | Hi, aptitude can be configured via apt.conf to sort by installsize rather than package name for example. I was wondering if it is possible to change sort order on the fly. |
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| 23:39.26 | multi_io | I don't want to manually call apt-get install on all of them (I use computers for a reason :D ) |
| 23:39.35 | Cybodog | lol |
| 23:39.39 | paulsen | Cybodog: ah, found the package. "debian-builder" |
| 23:40.13 | ojai | gravity: It was Progeny in the beginning though, wasn't it? Who's doing it now? |
| 23:40.20 | ktwilight | i still don't get it multi_io. so you want to install x11-common and nvidia-glx, but one package is stopping you from doing that? |
| 23:40.24 | gravity | ojai: It's being done within the debian installer team |
| 23:41.00 | Cybodog | try apt-get install x-windows-system nvidia-glx |
| 23:41.01 | multi_io | if I do "apt-get install" on such a dependent package, I'll probably get another bunch of packages that are "not going to be installed" |
| 23:41.05 | Cybodog | sounds like a dep issue |
| 23:41.22 | stoned | Cybodog, that will also intsall xdm, and mostly people don't like that |
| 23:41.26 | centrx | It's a good thing they Discovered it!!! |
| 23:41.27 | ojai | gravity: ah, gotcha. is it still the same Anaconda thing? I think I even tried Progeny's installer and it seemed to work ok but can't really remember too much :) |
| 23:41.30 | Cybodog | apt-get remove xdm |
| 23:41.32 | stoned | Cybodog, x-window-system-core is a better option |
| 23:41.34 | gravity | ojai: No, it's not anaconda |
| 23:41.40 | ktwilight | multi_io, usually it'll tell you the reason why it won't be installed. and usually, you can't go around it no matter what. |
| 23:41.46 | ktwilight | so i don't quite see what the problem is relaly. |
| 23:41.46 | Cybodog | ahhhhh |
| 23:41.49 | centrx | sorry, that bad joke was meant for another channel |
| 23:41.52 | ktwilight | are you trying to get X installed or something? |
| 23:41.53 | gravity | ojai: It's just another frontend to debconf |
| 23:42.07 | stoned | anaconda is like readhat installer isn't it |
| 23:42.23 | ojai | gravity: ah. any links you know of? (just curious) |
| 23:42.24 | stoned | the movie wasn't that bad either :D |
| 23:42.50 | ojai | stoned: ha -- was that that Ice Cube flick? |
| 23:43.11 | stoned | yes, and jennifer lopez before she shrank her butt |
| 23:43.19 | jelly-home | multi_io: you could try "aptitude install foo" which is sometimes smarter than apt-get at figuring out dependencies, and can give alternative "solutions" to the dependency problems. |
| 23:43.24 | ojai | SHE SHRANK HER BUTT? |
| 23:43.26 | gravity | ojai: Not off the top of my head... sorry. The d-i homepage on wiki.debian.org would be a good starter |
| 23:43.32 | stoned | ojai, offtopic, my bad |
| 23:43.36 | ojai | gravity: thanks |
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| 23:43.57 | ojai | stoned: nice butts are always on topic :) |
| 23:44.19 | stoned | ojai, when people don't need support and when the channel is usually quiet its ok, but not when its busy |
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| 23:45.35 | paulsen | If I want to install the 2.6 kernel on debian |
| 23:45.37 | Seb | ElectricElf: sup elf |
| 23:45.41 | multi_io | I don't want to go around it, I want it to drill down the dependency tree from the package I specified down to every dependency it couldn't satisfy, and output all information along the way |
| 23:45.41 | paulsen | is apt-get kernel-image-2.6-686 sufficient? |
| 23:45.44 | dvs | !install 2.6 |
| 23:46.00 | dvs | paulsen: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:46.06 | stoned | paulsen, if it matches your arch sure |
| 23:46.13 | paulsen | ok |
| 23:46.17 | paulsen | how about the modules/headers? |
| 23:46.25 | Seb | paulsen: modules are in the package |
| 23:46.25 | stoned | paulsen, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6|grep 686 |
| 23:46.34 | Seb | paulsen: headers are in -headers, shockingly enough ;) |
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| 23:46.38 | dvs | paulsen: headers are in kernel-headers-2.6-686 |
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| 23:46.52 | paulsen | stoned: that doesnt grep anything :P |
| 23:46.59 | paulsen | ok |
| 23:47.04 | paulsen | well I dont really need the headers |
| 23:47.07 | paulsen | :) |
| 23:47.12 | dvs | ....yet |
| 23:47.22 | paulsen | :) |
| 23:47.28 | stoned | paulsen, yes it does |
| 23:47.35 | paulsen | stoned, no it doesnt |
| 23:47.48 | stoned | yes it does |
| 23:47.51 | paulsen | .. |
| 23:48.13 | stoned | it shows you all the 686 2.6 kernel packages |
| 23:48.13 | multi_io | fffff: is there anything in the kernel log? |
| 23:48.16 | paulsen | erik@intranett:~$ apt-cache search linux-image-2.6|grep 686 |
| 23:48.16 | paulsen | erik@intranett:~$ |
| 23:48.24 | paulsen | do you still wanna argue? :( |
| 23:48.29 | dvs | paulsen: are you using etch? |
| 23:48.30 | azeem | paulsen: are you running stable? |
| 23:48.36 | stoned | paulsen, which releae are you using? |
| 23:48.38 | paulsen | stable yes |
| 23:48.41 | paulsen | sarge r2 |
| 23:48.44 | multi_io | fffff: run "dmesg" |
| 23:48.50 | dvs | paulsen: then linux-image won't show anything |
| 23:49.00 | stoned | its called kernel-image in sarge no? |
| 23:49.04 | azeem | yes |
| 23:49.05 | dvs | stoned: yes |
| 23:49.15 | stoned | ahh, sorry, I should have asked which release you were using |
| 23:49.15 | paulsen | people dont normall run stable? |
| 23:49.23 | paulsen | normally* |
| 23:49.24 | stoned | paulsen, no my fault |
| 23:49.25 | azeem | paulsen: most do |
| 23:49.27 | dvs | paulsen: yes, except developers |
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| 23:49.39 | fffff | multi_io , Intel537: no version magic, tainting kernel. , This Intel(R) 537EP Modem driver won't install on AC97 modem card, please download intel537EA driver to check if it supports your modem |
| 23:49.51 | paulsen | I'm a FreeBSD guy, and I'm used to track release branches with security fixes |
| 23:50.00 | paulsen | this would be equalent to stable (with security branch)? |
| 23:50.07 | azeem | yes, I guess |
| 23:50.12 | paulsen | ok. good :) |
| 23:50.57 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: a, nobody fixed the factoid, the url changed i hear. but it still works for me. b, you need to use sid/etch/sarge, NOT stable/testing/unstable in the sources.list ex: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
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| 23:51.41 | stoned | I thought it was changed to debian-multimedia yeah? |
| 23:51.48 | stoned | I remeber the new factoid points to it |
| 23:51.50 | stoned | !marillat |
| 23:51.51 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 23:51.58 | jetscreamer | that would be covered under a: |
| 23:52.01 | dylan_ | for some reason, i cannot get my xserver to start. can someone help me? |
| 23:52.16 | azeem | dylan_: paste the reason |
| 23:52.23 | azeem | i.e. the error message |
| 23:52.25 | azeem | !paster |
| 23:52.25 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:52.29 | dylan_ | azeem, "no screens found" |
| 23:52.36 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: He also finally added the stable/testing/etc links, they work for the new url. |
| 23:52.37 | dylan_ | azeem, this is a different machine. cannot paste |
| 23:52.40 | jetscreamer | except of course somebody did fix the factoid |
| 23:52.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:52.55 | azeem | dylan_: search /var/log/X* for EE |
| 23:53.00 | jetscreamer | ok forget a |
| 23:53.15 | multi_io | fffff: to me this looks like this module is incompatible with your hardware |
| 23:53.26 | fffff | strange |
| 23:53.58 | dylan_ | azeem, "No devices detected." |
| 23:54.08 | roym | Is there any way to reinstall my debian remotely - the system lets me |
| 23:54.08 | roym | ssh, but apt is hopelessly bogged down in unresolvable conflicts. |
| 23:54.15 | azeem | dylan_: that lines doesn't have EE in it |
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| 23:54.25 | multi_io | I would try what the message suggests |
| 23:54.32 | dylan_ | azeem, it says (EE) No screens found. |
| 23:54.35 | stoned | dylan_, paste your x configuration file somewher eon pastebin |
| 23:54.35 | azeem | roym: paste the apt output to a pastebin |
| 23:54.43 | roym | azeem, ok... |
| 23:54.45 | azeem | dylan_: any other EE lines? |
| 23:55.02 | dylan_ | azeem, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown |
| 23:55.14 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: or just build it |
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| 23:56.17 | dylan_ | azeem, any ideas? |
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| 23:56.31 | azeem | dylan_: no, unless there is a more meaningful error |
| 23:56.34 | patrickj | alright I got debian installed, but is there a tool to configure xree86 ? |
| 23:56.36 | patrickj | *xfree |
| 23:56.41 | patrickj | because xorgconfig doesnt work |
| 23:56.50 | azeem | check the lines before the 'no screens found' if there are no other EE lines besides the ones you quoted |
| 23:56.59 | patrickj | I got the no screens error |
| 23:57.04 | azeem | patrickj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:58.31 | patrickj | how much in kb is 128mb of vram? lol |
| 23:58.43 | azeem | patrickj: leave that blank |
| 23:58.51 | sussudio | ... |
| 23:59.06 | patrickj | k |
| 23:59.19 | patrickj | hmm |
| 23:59.28 | patrickj | whats the package name for the nvidia drivers? |
| 23:59.46 | dvs | heh |