| 00:00.35 | azeem | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:00.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:00.39 | Piet | what's the package name for the windows desktop? |
| 00:00.47 | Jamster | ...what? |
| 00:00.56 | Piet | j/k |
| 00:00.56 | dvs | Piet: there are several |
| 00:01.01 | Jamster | apt-cache search windows desktop ;P |
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| 00:03.07 | patrickj | whoa lol |
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| 00:03.50 | roym | Is there any way to reinstall my debian remotely - the system lets me |
| 00:03.51 | roym | ssh, but apt is hopelessly bogged down in unresolvable conflicts. I |
| 00:03.51 | roym | don't have physical access to the machine. |
| 00:03.51 | roym | The last few messages are at: http://pastebin.ca/78284 |
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| 00:04.58 | roym | Can someone help me reinstall my debian remotely - the system lets me |
| 00:04.58 | roym | connect via ssh, but apt is hopelessly bogged down in unresolvable |
| 00:04.58 | roym | conflicts. I don't have physical access to the machine. I have a |
| 00:04.58 | roym | bunch of messages are at: http://pastebin.ca/78284 |
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| 00:05.08 | Piet | hehe |
| 00:05.13 | dvs | threepete! |
| 00:05.16 | tanto | the time on my srever keeps drifting dramatically and ntpd isn't fixing it |
| 00:05.17 | Piet | can we have that again please? |
| 00:05.26 | tanto | what can i do to fix this? |
| 00:05.34 | tanto | it drifts by like 30 minutes every couple hours |
| 00:05.39 | dvs | tanto: ntp |
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| 00:05.45 | dvs | !info ntp sarge |
| 00:05.50 | dpkg | ntp: (Network Time Protocol: network utilities), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.0a+stable-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 468 kB |
| 00:06.01 | linux2 | hi can anyone here remind me what file has the network information in it |
| 00:06.06 | linux2 | so i can set a static ip |
| 00:06.08 | tanto | i'm using ntpd |
| 00:06.21 | dvs | linux2: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:06.30 | linux2 | dvs: thanks. just forgot |
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| 00:06.39 | dvs | linux2: you're welcome |
| 00:06.42 | tanto | all i see in /var/log/ntpd is 3 Jul 14:40:29 ntpd[25125]: frequency initialized 0.000 PPM from /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift |
| 00:06.42 | roym | Folks, Can someone help me reinstall my debian remotely - the system lets me |
| 00:06.43 | roym | connect via ssh, but apt is hopelessly bogged down in unresolvable |
| 00:06.43 | roym | conflicts. I don't have physical access to the machine. I have a |
| 00:06.45 | roym | bunch of messages are at http://channels.debian.net/paste/3044 |
| 00:06.47 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.48 | tanto | it never fixes the drift after that |
| 00:06.51 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.00 | tanto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.17 | patrickj | anyone got an example of a twinview system? |
| 00:07.48 | azeem | roym: did you run apt-get -f install? |
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| 00:08.09 | Piet | roym: do you have a serial console or a recovery system set up? |
| 00:08.14 | azeem | roym: `apt-get install' by itself will not do anything, and don't run dpkg directly |
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| 00:08.39 | evilgeek | there is nothing wrong with running dpkg directly. it is, in fact, sometimes necessary. |
| 00:08.40 | roym | azeem: apt-get -f install failed... |
| 00:08.51 | roym | even dpkg -i fails to install... |
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| 00:09.05 | patrickj | the one liner didnt work.. |
| 00:09.15 | roym | Can I somehow get down to a minimal package set and upgrade from there? |
| 00:09.20 | evilgeek | roym: what you should do is spend an hour or two sorting through those packages. |
| 00:09.20 | roym | remotely!! |
| 00:09.39 | evilgeek | roym: apt-get install some-package, then use +package and -package to sort things out. |
| 00:09.46 | azeem | roym: well, paste the error output of apt-get -f install |
| 00:09.48 | evilgeek | roym: this has happened to me before. |
| 00:09.53 | patrickj | said installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed |
| 00:10.07 | azeem | patrickj: "didn't work" is not an appropriate error description |
| 00:10.11 | evilgeek | apt-get -f install will only make things worse. |
| 00:10.36 | evilgeek | azeem: but "the script said installation of nvidia-kernel-source failed" is more informative than "didn't work". |
| 00:10.43 | patrickj | azeem: what I just said is.. |
| 00:11.11 | azeem | patrickj: any additional error messages? |
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| 00:11.24 | roym | Is it possible to get down to a bare bones debian version on a live system? |
| 00:11.32 | evilgeek | roym: yes. |
| 00:11.35 | roym | I can then add packages. |
| 00:11.40 | jelly-home | roym: yes, with a but. |
| 00:11.45 | roym | evilgeek: please enlighten me. |
| 00:11.51 | azeem | roym: ehm |
| 00:11.54 | evilgeek | roym: in apt-get, you say -package to a great many packages. |
| 00:12.10 | azeem | evilgeek: how does that help? |
| 00:12.18 | patrickj | azeem: "Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives" |
| 00:12.28 | azeem | patrickj: did you add those? |
| 00:12.28 | evilgeek | azeem: apt-get will finally be convinced to remove a great many nonessential packages, and it will do so. |
| 00:12.38 | azeem | evilgeek: maybe he wants to keep those? |
| 00:12.57 | evilgeek | azeem: he said above that he doesn't. maybe he does, but let's assume that he doesn't. |
| 00:13.05 | roym | folks, I can remove ALL if necessary... |
| 00:13.07 | djace | i just installed 1280MB RAM, as shown by the bios on bootup, but the kernel only sees 885MB, any ideas? :S |
| 00:13.07 | azeem | he wants to fix his system |
| 00:13.17 | evilgeek | azeem: you seem to be having trouble reading. perhaps you need a new set of eyeglasses. |
| 00:13.23 | azeem | roym: how about you finally paste the output of `apt-get -f install'? |
| 00:13.25 | jelly-home | azeem: what would you suggest, deselecting a lot of stuff from a ui like aptitude or dselect? |
| 00:13.27 | azeem | evilgeek: no |
| 00:13.30 | dvs | djace: recompile your kernel |
| 00:13.33 | evilgeek | azeem: he is willing to uninstall all nonessential packages. |
| 00:13.42 | patrickj | azeem: the one liner didnt say to add anything to the bloody sources.list |
| 00:13.45 | djace | dvs: first thing i tried |
| 00:13.45 | azeem | evilgeek: because he doesn't see another fix |
| 00:13.56 | dvs | djace: you didn't select the highmem option |
| 00:14.06 | dvs | djace: or you have onboard video chip |
| 00:14.21 | azeem | patrickj: it said "Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>" |
| 00:14.32 | azeem | patrickj: so, /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 00:14.48 | roym | azeem: evilgeek: the output from apt-get -f install is at http://pastebin.ca/78294 |
| 00:15.08 | estong_ | hints on how to setup a desktop (3GHz, 256MB, with no harddisk) for booting an OS and run apps off a server? |
| 00:15.09 | estong_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.14 | evilgeek | in practice, it takes a great many iterations of apt-get -f install in order for this to get anywhere. |
| 00:15.24 | nvz | I realized last night after I got my complete local sarge mirror working last night with apache, that we dont have enough offline reference material in sarge anyhow..the only dictionary I could find was a 1913 websters.. thats _way_out of date.. I went to stardict.sf.net today and think I found some newer ones what would be the easiest way to find out if there are any stardict dictionaries... |
| 00:15.25 | nvz | ...in sid or being worked on? cause there are 0 in sarge and the program is virtually useless without them |
| 00:15.27 | djace | dvs: hrm, isn't the highmem option only for >2GB ? |
| 00:15.27 | jelly-home | roym: I think first thing to do would be to figure out what version of Debian was prevoiusly installed. |
| 00:15.28 | jetscreamer | dselect > * |
| 00:15.46 | azeem | roym: how did you install Debian? |
| 00:15.52 | dvs | djace: That's the wrong option. You have a choice of 1GB, 4GB, or 64GB |
| 00:15.58 | evilgeek | roym: may i suggest that you put stable sources in your sources.list? |
| 00:15.58 | roym | originally from a CD. |
| 00:15.59 | jetscreamer | you should try the fix-unmet factoid |
| 00:16.05 | djace | dvs: woops, didn't know that, thanks! :) |
| 00:16.05 | azeem | roym: so stable? |
| 00:16.13 | dvs | djace: no problem |
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| 00:16.31 | roym | I am using "testing" sources. If I change sources.list to stable, will that work? |
| 00:16.39 | evilgeek | roym: it will make things easier. |
| 00:16.44 | roym | ie: will it fix the broken apt-get |
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| 00:16.59 | azeem | roym: apt-get is not broken, your package database is |
| 00:17.02 | evilgeek | roym: change to stable, apt-get update, and apt-get -f install again. |
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| 00:17.14 | patrickj | yay it works :P |
| 00:17.15 | patrickj | lol |
| 00:17.16 | roym | evilgeek: thanks - let me try that... |
| 00:17.18 | evilgeek | azeem: and this manifests itself as apt-get not working, i.e. being "broken". |
| 00:17.19 | jelly-home | the "raidtools2 to be removed" sounds like something I've seen when sarge was frozen or a bit before that. |
| 00:17.24 | patrickj | I have dual LCDS right now in console mode and its just mirroring.. |
| 00:17.30 | patrickj | I need twinview on :P |
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| 00:17.32 | azeem | evilgeek: it works, it just doesn't do what you want |
| 00:17.38 | nvz | I also think I am going to have to take it upon myself to make a decent dict client frontend cause I only found one of those in sarge and it was horrible contained only a text entry for a keyword and a search button and displayed results from all databases into a new window not even well sorted |
| 00:17.38 | evilgeek | azeem: thus, i see nothing factually incorrect with his statement. |
| 00:17.42 | roym | where can i find a decent sources.list for "stable" |
| 00:18.05 | evilgeek | azeem: it doesn't work. it's like a bitchy girlfriend that you've neglected. it wants you to pay attention for a few hours to sort shit out. |
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| 00:18.21 | evilgeek | azeem: it usually works. when things become inconsistent, it stops working. |
| 00:18.36 | azeem | evilgeek: apt-get source foo would still work. |
| 00:18.52 | evilgeek | azeem: yes, but apt-get, in its full functionality, does not work as desired. |
| 00:19.06 | evilgeek | ie/ apt-get install elicits bitchy-girlfriend-behaviour. |
| 00:19.09 | jetscreamer | try dselect |
| 00:19.20 | azeem | roym: replace testing with stable in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:19.28 | azeem | roym: or try aptitude first |
| 00:19.42 | azeem | but pay attention to what it wants to remove/install |
| 00:20.58 | patrickj | for some reason in gnome there is one menu missing |
| 00:21.00 | patrickj | the system menu |
| 00:21.13 | azeem | patrickj: 2.8 didn't have that |
| 00:21.45 | patrickj | azeem: which is the latest version.. ? |
| 00:21.51 | azeem | 2.14 |
| 00:22.32 | patrickj | azeem: alright, so how can I install 2.14 on my system, instead of 2.8? |
| 00:22.47 | azeem | patrickj: just to get that system menu? |
| 00:22.55 | azeem | the functionality is in the other menus |
| 00:22.57 | patrickj | yeh, and 2.14 has some new features :P |
| 00:23.01 | nvz | D-I for sarge uses /media/cdrom and /dev/cdrom for fstab entries right? no longer uses /cdrom/ |
| 00:23.10 | azeem | patrickj: there is no backport of GNOME for stable |
| 00:23.12 | dvs | nvz: true |
| 00:23.26 | azeem | patrickj: you will have to destabilize your system if you really want 2.14 |
| 00:23.54 | patrickj | lol no thanks :P |
| 00:24.08 | patrickj | but, is there anyway to get in the system menu, because How am I supposed to change the theme etc.? |
| 00:24.21 | azeem | patrickj: it's in the one of the other menus |
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| 00:24.25 | nvz | dvs: cause I am about to file a bug against apt for default policy requesting cdroms on /cdrom/ when you have cd sources even when you used apt-cdrom add -d /media/cdrom, to add them.. I had to make an /etc/apt/apt.conf last night to specify Acquire:cdrom:mount as the proper location |
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| 00:24.58 | patrickj | also, how do i get dual monitors in xfree86, ive only used xorg.. |
| 00:25.04 | dvs | nvz: oooooooooooooookay |
| 00:25.18 | nvz | yeah, well its annoying.. heh |
| 00:25.59 | nvz | apt should use whatever path D-I does for cdroms by default users of cdrom sources shouldnt have to learn the innards of apt just to use their cdroms |
| 00:26.33 | azeem | nvz: you said you were using sarge? |
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| 00:26.42 | nvz | azeem: yeah I got sarge on mine |
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| 00:27.10 | azeem | well, not much use in a bug report, unless you know it's the same in testing/unstable |
| 00:27.52 | patrickj | hmm |
| 00:27.57 | patrickj | when i first launch gnome and its loading |
| 00:28.07 | patrickj | it has a REALLY ugly background lol |
| 00:29.04 | patrickj | brb, switching to Xfree86:D |
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| 00:30.37 | roym | sorry to be a bother, but I switched to stable, got further, but no cigar. Can someone look at the output of apt-get -f install at http://channels.debian.net/paste/3045 to see where I |
| 00:30.40 | roym | am stuck |
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| 00:31.04 | nvz | azeem: yeah they probably wont fix it now :-/ its rediculous that it got released like that |
| 00:31.52 | nvz | azeem: I dont have testing system and I am offline at home, so I depend on my sarge mirror I just built If I get internet I plan on upgrading at least one of my systems |
| 00:32.21 | nvz | I vision this is going to be another one of those weeks where I have job offers comming at me from all angles.. so I might get internet soon |
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| 00:32.36 | patrickj | alright there, im in X |
| 00:32.40 | patrickj | I found the desktop prefs menu |
| 00:32.43 | patrickj | so im fine with 2.8 :P |
| 00:32.45 | evilgeek | roym: i'd remove openoffice-de-en, but yeah. |
| 00:33.11 | patrickj | who in here is running dual lcds? |
| 00:33.17 | abchirk | re |
| 00:33.25 | dvs | patrickj: I'm not that rich |
| 00:33.48 | nvz | well I am heading home... to play around on my isolated network :( |
| 00:34.05 | patrickj | i need to know how to configure dual lcds for gnome lol |
| 00:34.09 | roym | evilgeek: tried that. didn't let me - I guess because of the broken dependancies. |
| 00:34.15 | dvs | patrickj: xinerama |
| 00:34.30 | roym | can I force a remove? |
| 00:34.44 | azeem | roym: no |
| 00:35.00 | azeem | roym: what do you want to remove? |
| 00:35.03 | patrickj | hmm for some reason my sound isnt working |
| 00:35.07 | evilgeek | roym: yes. dpkg -f --remove foo. use this with caution. |
| 00:35.08 | meppl | gute nacht |
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| 00:35.15 | patrickj | im running a SB Live! 24-bit |
| 00:35.44 | dvs | patrickj: which kernel? |
| 00:35.55 | patrickj | dvs: not sure. one minute |
| 00:36.16 | patrickj | 2.6.8 I believe |
| 00:36.17 | sandman | Is anyone familiar with the error message: Bad page state at free_hot_cold_page (in process 'events/0', page c107f7e0)? I get a lot of these |
| 00:36.23 | patrickj | the 2.6v that was on the cd |
| 00:36.32 | sandman | The system keeps running. It tells me that a reboot is needed before I can even finish booting in the first place |
| 00:36.40 | dvs | patrickj: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 00:36.53 | roym | evilgeek: hooray - I got past the openoffice issue by forcing the remove. |
| 00:37.22 | patrickj | "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" When I try alsamixer |
| 00:37.46 | roym | (and removing a data directory...) |
| 00:37.50 | dvs | patrickj: do you have alsa-utils? |
| 00:38.00 | roym | Thanks - that was a huge help!!! |
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| 00:38.11 | evilgeek | roym: is your system peachy again? |
| 00:38.28 | patrickj | dvs: yes |
| 00:38.37 | dvs | patrickj: did you run alsaconf? |
| 00:38.38 | evilgeek | roym: (like a bitchy girlfriend, apt-get will become happy again once you figure out what insane, obscure thing apt-get wants you to say.) |
| 00:38.43 | roym | at least I am at stable - I won't reboot till I am physically there.. |
| 00:38.52 | evilgeek | roym: does apt-get work once again? |
| 00:39.01 | roym | yes, apt-get is happy. |
| 00:39.28 | roym | How can I upgrade to testing from here (after I change sources.list?) |
| 00:39.36 | roym | dist-upgrade? |
| 00:39.49 | dvs | roym: update first |
| 00:39.51 | evilgeek | apt-get upgrade might do the trick. |
| 00:40.01 | dvs | evilgeek: no |
| 00:40.07 | evilgeek | i tend to avoid dist-upgrade since it invariably breaks things. |
| 00:40.14 | evilgeek | dvs: no? why not? |
| 00:40.19 | azeem | evilgeek: eh. |
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| 00:40.31 | dvs | evilgeek: upgrade will not install new or remove packages |
| 00:40.43 | patrickj | dvs: alsaconf didnt help |
| 00:40.54 | roym | dvs: what is the best course then? |
| 00:40.58 | dvs | patrickj: Then you'll probably need a newer kernel |
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| 00:41.12 | dvs | roym: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:41.18 | evilgeek | you say 'apt-get upgrade' and then you +foo whatever packages aren't being installed. |
| 00:41.23 | dvs | roym: wait... |
| 00:41.34 | dvs | !sarge->etch |
| 00:41.35 | patrickj | dvs: how might I update my kernel? |
| 00:41.43 | azeem | patrickj: what does uname -r say? |
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| 00:41.57 | dvs | patrickj: backports.org or you can probably take the .deb package from etch |
| 00:42.08 | dvs | azeem: 2.6.8 |
| 00:42.19 | azeem | dvs: the .deb from etch needs a newer udev |
| 00:42.28 | dvs | backports it is |
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| 00:43.15 | patrickj | azeem: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:44.06 | patrickj | what package do I get? |
| 00:44.17 | patrickj | also, I dont see How the SB Live! isnt supported in the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:45.09 | dvs | patrickj: the kernel wasn't really stable until about 2.6.12 |
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| 00:45.51 | dvs | patrickj: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.16/ |
| 00:46.31 | patrickj | lol which package(s) in there do i get? |
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| 00:47.06 | patrickj | im on an i386 system |
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| 00:48.12 | dvs | patrickj: which CPU? |
| 00:48.15 | LinuxMafia | hi |
| 00:48.21 | patrickj | Dual Xeon 2.2GHZ |
| 00:48.22 | LinuxMafia | i am newbie to debian |
| 00:48.25 | patrickj | doesnt have EM64T |
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| 00:48.28 | dvs | patrickj: 686 |
| 00:48.32 | LinuxMafia | how can i install .deb. file? |
| 00:48.47 | patrickj | okay |
| 00:48.50 | patrickj | header or image? |
| 00:49.06 | dvs | patrickj: image (headers are just C header files) |
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| 00:49.21 | nekron | i install lilo and run liloconfig |
| 00:49.23 | dvs | patrickj: oh, 686-smp |
| 00:49.25 | patrickj | ok |
| 00:49.28 | ratm` | LinuxMafia dpkg -i *.deb |
| 00:49.36 | patrickj | this one ? http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.16/linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp_2.6.16-14bpo1_i386.deb |
| 00:49.41 | nekron | now how i put to boot shows with lilo? |
| 00:49.45 | dvs | patrickj: yup |
| 00:49.48 | patrickj | k |
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| 00:49.58 | ratm` | LinuxMafia you can get most of the things with apt-get |
| 00:50.08 | patrickj | wow |
| 00:50.26 | patrickj | the version of firefox in the debiant sources is 1.0.4 |
| 00:50.45 | dvs | patrickj: sarge is over a year old |
| 00:50.51 | patrickj | dva: I noticed |
| 00:50.58 | patrickj | are there new sources with more recent software |
| 00:51.17 | dvs | patrickj: not officially release. but that's what backports.org is for |
| 00:51.19 | nekron | i install lilo and run liloconfig, now how i put lilo how my boot loader? |
| 00:51.41 | LinuxMafia | ratm`, thanks alot |
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| 00:52.52 | patrickj | is there a way to add backports as a source? |
| 00:54.03 | azeem | patrickj: yes, read the instructions on http://www.backports.org |
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| 00:54.05 | dvs | patrickj: dunno. haven't tried |
| 00:54.08 | seeds | yup |
| 00:54.18 | patrickj | god dangit |
| 00:54.27 | patrickj | the kernel wont install |
| 00:54.39 | azeem | did you read them already? |
| 00:55.10 | patrickj | http://pastebin.ca/78341 |
| 00:55.21 | patrickj | what happens when i try to install the new kernel |
| 00:55.42 | nekron | i install lilo and run liloconfig, now how i put lilo how my boot loader? |
| 00:55.42 | azeem | don't ever install packages via dpkg |
| 00:55.53 | nekron | i was using grub |
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| 00:56.07 | djace | is there any fix for the current libfreetype6 problems? |
| 00:56.36 | azeem | djace: another security upload fixing this is pending I believe |
| 00:57.06 | djace | ouch. |
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| 00:57.45 | patrickj | azeem: is there a way to get the latest kernel, not using dpkg? |
| 00:58.04 | azeem | patrickj: yes, read the instructions at www.backports.org |
| 00:58.47 | azeem | a real i386? |
| 00:58.51 | azeem | hrm |
| 00:58.59 | azeem | patrickj: then apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 00:59.03 | golly | hey when I'm in man pages, how do I then exit properly ? I've been doing CTRL Z but that sticks the process into the background.....how do I stop it instead of putting into the bg? |
| 00:59.13 | azeem | golly: q |
| 00:59.13 | CompWizrd | q |
| 00:59.23 | patrickj | k, thanks :D |
| 01:02.42 | nekron | anyone can help me? |
| 01:03.07 | azeem | nekron: why do you want lilo? |
| 01:03.16 | golly | thanks azeem and CompWizrd |
| 01:03.25 | golly | q duz it |
| 01:05.41 | nekron | azeem: i prefer.. |
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| 01:06.00 | azeem | nekron: did you read the documentation? |
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| 01:06.09 | azeem | most people in here use grub, and won't be able to help you with lilo |
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| 01:06.47 | nekron | azeem: i don`t know put a new image in grub.. hehe =P |
| 01:06.49 | phigwork | hi, what package do I find the zlib libraries in? |
| 01:06.56 | nekron | so i want put lilo |
| 01:07.18 | azeem | nekron: Debian kernel packages automatically add themselves |
| 01:07.32 | spundun | hi... I want to re-configure a .deb package that I have installed. How can in force a reinstall of the same package? or just reconfigure is also fine I think. |
| 01:07.42 | nekron | azeem: no, not here |
| 01:07.44 | phigwork | zlib.h |
| 01:07.57 | azeem | nekron: then you messed with menu.lst or so |
| 01:08.06 | nekron | azeem: when i install the package, he install lilo too |
| 01:08.07 | azeem | spundun: dpkg-reconfigure <package> works for debconf-enabled packages |
| 01:08.10 | nekron | kernel 2.6.17 |
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| 01:08.32 | spundun | azeem: I guess udev is that , right? |
| 01:08.59 | azeem | spundun: I don't know |
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| 01:13.01 | phigwork | ah, zlib1g |
| 01:13.02 | phigwork | -dev |
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| 01:18.27 | tictac | anyone happen to run sparc? (#debian-sparc seems dead) |
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| 01:19.58 | charzero | Whats the difference between linux-source-2.6.15 and linux-tree-2.6.15 ? |
| 01:20.25 | tictac | nevermind. i seem to have gotten it working. thanks. |
| 01:21.26 | spundun | is there any way I can find out when I installed a particular package? I mean is there a log of these package updates through apt ? |
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| 01:24.19 | patrickj | update my kernel |
| 01:24.23 | patrickj | sound still doesnt work.. |
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| 01:25.17 | patrickj | also, whats the package for gtk2 because im trying to compile clearlooks and It needs it.. |
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| 01:25.31 | dvs | patrickj: after alsaconf ? |
| 01:25.42 | charzero | patrickj: did you install alsa-base? (i tried to get mine working and talked in here for 3 hours before figuring that out.) |
| 01:26.01 | dvs | charzero: alsa-utils installs alsa-base |
| 01:26.11 | patrickj | no I didnt try it |
| 01:26.18 | patrickj | BTW, I got my dual LCDS working fine, its awesome :D |
| 01:26.31 | Tsop | how can i run the network configer |
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| 01:27.23 | patrickj | still didnt work..wtf |
| 01:28.09 | patrickj | hmm |
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| 01:28.11 | patrickj | brb |
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| 01:29.50 | patrickj | hmm wtf |
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| 01:30.42 | patrickj | my sound isnt working :'( |
| 01:30.52 | patrickj | how do i check my kernel version again? |
| 01:30.56 | charzero | patrickj: uname -a |
| 01:31.09 | charzero | patrickj: did you adjust volume in alsamixer? |
| 01:31.17 | patrickj | its still running 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:31.31 | patrickj | even though I installed the new kernel image.. |
| 01:31.58 | dvs | patrickj: do you use lilo or grub? |
| 01:33.01 | patrickj | grub |
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| 01:34.02 | dvs | patrickj: What does your /etc/kernel-img.conf look like? |
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| 01:34.44 | patrickj | lemme pastebin it |
| 01:35.14 | patrickj | http://pastebin.ca/78415 |
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| 01:35.33 | charzero | patrickj: dumb question. did you reboot? |
| 01:35.46 | dvs | charzero: c'mon |
| 01:35.48 | patrickj | charzero: of course:P |
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| 01:36.07 | charzero | just asking. i've done things as dumb myself. |
| 01:36.23 | patrickj | lol ok |
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| 01:36.33 | dvs | patrickj: and /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 01:37.01 | patrickj | http://pastebin.ca/78417 |
| 01:37.01 | Tsop | guys can anyone please help me with my network |
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| 01:37.54 | dvs | patrickj: the new kernel isn't in the menu.lst file. Try running update-grub as root |
| 01:38.16 | patrickj | command not found.. |
| 01:38.56 | dvs | patrickj: as root? I have upgrade-grub |
| 01:39.01 | Tsop | when i try to ping my gate way i get network is unreachable |
| 01:39.07 | patrickj | well I can manually edit menu.lst |
| 01:39.10 | patrickj | im not a total nub :P |
| 01:39.24 | dvs | patrickj: it wont last. it will be regenerated. |
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| 01:39.50 | charzero | Tsop: dhcp or static? |
| 01:40.17 | Tsop | charzero, dhcp |
| 01:40.19 | patrickj | jhenn: idiot lol |
| 01:40.30 | patrickj | dvs: what you mean? lol |
| 01:40.41 | jhenn | huh? |
| 01:40.45 | charzero | Tsop: Do you only have one interface up? |
| 01:41.00 | patrickj | jhenn: you sent me a msg using the dpkg.. |
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| 01:41.10 | dvs | patrickj: if update-grub is run again, menu.lst will be overwritten |
| 01:41.13 | jhenn | i did no such thing |
| 01:41.23 | patrickj | well it says you wanted to let me know |
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| 01:41.28 | patrickj | but brb, gonna reboot into new kernel :P |
| 01:41.32 | patrickj | lets hope it boots :P |
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| 01:42.01 | patrickj | jhenn: stop.. |
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| 01:43.05 | dvs | jhenn: did you change your nickserv password yet? |
| 01:43.22 | Tsop | charzero, no i have a pcmcia card too, but i couldn't get it to work so now i am running a cat5 from the router |
| 01:43.45 | charzero | Tsop: does `ifconfig` show your card? |
| 01:44.15 | Tsop | yes |
| 01:44.31 | jhenn | dvs: did you die yet? |
| 01:44.39 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:44.41 | slara | which package have mail? |
| 01:44.50 | asg | slara: /msg dpkg search |
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| 01:44.57 | charzero | Tsop: does `route` show the gateway from dhcp as default? |
| 01:44.58 | slara | mail the command |
| 01:45.06 | asg | slara: /msg aptitude search |
| 01:45.12 | Tsop | charzero, no |
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| 01:45.28 | charzero | Tsop: did you use `ifup` ? |
| 01:46.03 | Tsop | charzero, i did ifconfig eth0 down/up |
| 01:46.06 | slara | asg: i know how to search for a package but i can't find it |
| 01:46.26 | asg | slara: did you read the factoid? There is an interesting bit about apt-file. |
| 01:46.39 | charzero | Tsop: Use `ifup`, it will set up the routes for you. |
| 01:46.54 | jhenn | no more dpkg :( |
| 01:47.14 | asg | jhenn: use aptitude instead |
| 01:47.15 | dvs | jhenn: yeah, so you can't msg everyone through it |
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| 01:47.32 | patrickj | hey |
| 01:47.39 | Tsop | charzero, can u show me how? what the cmd will look like |
| 01:47.40 | dvs | patrickj: uname -r |
| 01:47.47 | charzero | Tsop: ifup eth0 |
| 01:47.50 | patrickj | running new one :D |
| 01:48.00 | dvs | patrickj: now try alsaconf |
| 01:48.21 | charzero | Tsop: (assuming you have "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:48.31 | patrickj | alright sound works |
| 01:48.31 | Tsop | charzero, Ignoring unknow interface eth0=eth0. |
| 01:48.36 | patrickj | whats the nvidia oneliner again ? |
| 01:48.39 | dvs | !beer patrickj |
| 01:48.45 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:48.48 | patrickj | LOL :P |
| 01:48.53 | asg | dvs: aptitude went too. |
| 01:49.05 | charzero | Tsop: "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dchp" in /etc/network/interaces |
| 01:49.14 | patrickj | !nvidia oneliner |
| 01:49.17 | patrickj | hmm |
| 01:49.18 | charzero | Tsop: man 5 interfaces |
| 01:49.30 | dvs | patrickj: dpkg is gone |
| 01:49.35 | patrickj | ? |
| 01:49.42 | patrickj | really? how ? |
| 01:49.55 | asg | patrickj: 21:42 -!- dpkg [n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| 01:50.02 | dvs | patrickj: remember when you got all those messages from dpkg? |
| 01:50.06 | patrickj | LOL... |
| 01:50.10 | patrickj | yes I do.. |
| 01:50.17 | patrickj | but now I need the one liner for nvidia |
| 01:50.17 | dvs | patrickj: soon after that |
| 01:50.25 | patrickj | does anyone have it off hand? |
| 01:50.28 | patrickj | or on hand ? |
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| 01:50.39 | Tsop | charzero, when i do "/etc/init.d/networking restart " i get wlan0:error while getting interface flags: no such device |
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| 01:50.59 | itguru | Just a quick question, because this one has got me stumped, and I don't want to lose a fews gigs of emails. If I configure a machine as an email gateway, as in it recieves email from the outside world, filters it for spam, viruses, and then delivers it to internal servers, can i still use that same machine to fetchmail from a diffrent pop server? |
| 01:51.13 | asg | stew: if you get a sec, can you bring aptitude back online |
| 01:51.24 | asg | stew: and nudge dondelelcaro also |
| 01:51.48 | charzero | I don't know where that comes from, sorry. |
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| 01:51.54 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 01:51.56 | patrickj | shitty |
| 01:52.00 | sussudio | !do asg |
| 01:52.12 | asg | itguru: fetchmail can be used to deliver to that server, flat-files, and other things. |
| 01:52.16 | asg | sussudio: danke |
| 01:52.17 | patrickj | because when i changed the kernel, the nvidia kernel drivers got, well, arent there nemore :\ |
| 01:52.24 | asg | !feed badgers to the crocs |
| 01:52.35 | Stevie-O | wtf |
| 01:52.48 | patrickj | lol |
| 01:53.03 | asg | jhenn: are you going to contribute or just be annoying? |
| 01:53.07 | Tsop | charzero, i looked in "etc/network/interface " there was auto wlan0 i removed that and the did networking restart |
| 01:53.08 | patrickj | !stand in corner |
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| 01:53.14 | patrickj | aww, doent work lol |
| 01:53.19 | Stevie-O | !pony patrickj |
| 01:53.28 | patrickj | w00t |
| 01:53.31 | orchid | asg you could ask the same of badgers |
| 01:53.31 | Stevie-O | wow |
| 01:53.33 | patrickj | dpkg is on again |
| 01:53.35 | Stevie-O | you got two ponies |
| 01:53.37 | charzero | Tsop: does it work now? |
| 01:53.38 | patrickj | whats the command for the nvidia one liner? |
| 01:53.39 | itguru | asg - Oh really? Thank you for that! *phew* panic over, I can go back to being a hero again! |
| 01:53.57 | patrickj | !pony dpkg |
| 01:53.58 | dvs | patrickj: hmmm....let me think... |
| 01:54.05 | dvs | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:54.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:54.06 | patrickj | now it can run without a leg :D |
| 01:54.10 | patrickj | woot, thanks |
| 01:54.19 | Stevie-O | how can it run without a leg? |
| 01:54.23 | asg | 21:53 Ignoring ALL from jhenn |
| 01:54.47 | Tsop | charzero, then i got "setting up IP spoofing protection:rp_filter, reconfiguring network interface ...ifup: interface lo already configured , ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0?? |
| 01:54.47 | whaq|away | my pc runs fine wihout a leg |
| 01:54.48 | asg | azeem: and when you get a second, +kb the moron |
| 01:55.18 | sussudio | ... |
| 01:55.21 | sussudio | is someone fucking with the bots? |
| 01:55.25 | dvs | there it goes again |
| 01:55.26 | asg | sussudio: yes, jhenn |
| 01:55.29 | dvs | sussudio: jhenn |
| 01:55.32 | charzero | Tsop: Do you have the module for your card inserted? |
| 01:55.34 | sussudio | i see. |
| 01:55.35 | asg | lilo: can you kline jhenn |
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| 01:55.47 | asg | lilo: multiple bot abuse and regular abuse in #debian. Thanks. |
| 01:55.49 | patrickj | jhenn keeps fucking around |
| 01:55.57 | charzero | Why aren't network devices files in /dev like everything else? |
| 01:56.00 | Tsop | charzero, i don't know? |
| 01:56.12 | Tsop | charzero, modprob |
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| 01:56.21 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 01:56.22 | Tsop | charzero, or lsmod |
| 01:56.24 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:56.43 | asg | sussudio: just like the good old days eh? |
| 01:56.52 | sussudio | jhenn is kawfee? |
| 01:57.02 | dvs | sussudio: I though quebee was kawfee |
| 01:57.16 | asg | sussudio: less annoying than kawfee but more than enough to get the finger |
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| 01:57.44 | sproingie | hey all it's been months since i booted this box (amd64 with sid) and it looks like everything moved around |
| 01:57.52 | sproingie | anyone have a working sources.list for amd64 i can use? |
| 01:57.55 | asg | sproingie: yes, sid will do that to you |
| 01:57.59 | asg | sproingie: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 01:58.00 | rene- | hello: i need simple masquerading for a system that has two eth interfaces with eth0 having a public ip and eth1 a lan ip... would "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" work here? |
| 01:58.00 | patrickj | wtf it wont lemme compile the fucking nvidia-kernel |
| 01:58.06 | sproingie | asg: no, not the packages, the repository itself |
| 01:58.15 | patrickj | stupid new kernel |
| 01:58.19 | patrickj | its messing with my system.. |
| 01:58.23 | asg | sproingie: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 01:58.27 | patrickj | error: " |
| 01:58.43 | patrickj | "make: *** [kdist_image] Error 2" |
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| 01:59.49 | patrickj | so sound works now but fucking video driver doesnt...wow... |
| 02:00.15 | Tsop | charzero, when i shutdown -r now , and after it reboot i did ifconfig i only got lo |
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| 02:00.44 | charzero | Tsop: what do you have for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:01.16 | patrickj | any idea whats wrong here? |
| 02:02.02 | Tsop | charzero, auto lo, iface lo inet loopback |
| 02:02.09 | minerale | Hi, I need a quick cheap and dirty audio player that will play files from the command linde |
| 02:02.27 | charzero | Tsop: add "auto etho" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 02:02.42 | orchid | minerale: cplay is pretty good |
| 02:03.44 | asg | minerale: mpd + mpc is very good and not as dirty |
| 02:04.25 | Tsop | charzero, realy quick , my wireless keyboard is acting up, randomly it'll give me "keyboard:unknown sacncode e0 59" i can turn it off by doing "dmseg -n 1" but when i restart it comes again |
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| 02:04.56 | asg | !klogd |
| 02:04.57 | badgers | methinks klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd ... |
| 02:04.59 | littleball | hello, i am looking for solution for display vedio on TV. THe content is stored /streamed through linux |
| 02:05.01 | asg | Tsop: ^^^ |
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| 02:06.34 | bintut | how can i define in squid.conf to give a particular ip address or username in the lan to access a particular website that only accept connections from an internet explorer web browser and that the website is listening at tcp port 443 (HTTPS)? |
| 02:07.00 | Tsop | badgers, i don't have klogd installed |
| 02:07.00 | badgers | Tsop: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:07.22 | patrickj | whats wrong with my compile ? |
| 02:07.22 | charzero | Tsop: dirty way: put "dmesg -n 1" in /etc/init.d/bootup |
| 02:07.23 | Tsop | :) |
| 02:07.39 | asg | Tsop: then create your own /etc/init.d/foo file (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) that contains 'dmesg -n 1' in the 'start' stanza and symlink it to /etc/rc2.d/S99foo |
| 02:08.17 | asg | bintut: have you asked #squid yet? |
| 02:08.42 | rene- | dudes: is iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE good for performing nat for traffic that comes from eth1 and goes to eth0? |
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| 02:09.15 | asg | rene-: you might need to use '-i eth1'. Consult #iptables for more info. |
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| 02:09.27 | dvs | !wb |
| 02:09.28 | badgers | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 02:09.28 | patrickj | hmm |
| 02:09.29 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 02:09.31 | Tsop | charzero, auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp , dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1, dns-search mscar.edu??!! |
| 02:09.32 | patrickj | no help here.. :\ |
| 02:09.32 | dvs | doh! |
| 02:09.44 | bintut | asg: yes, but i got no answer yet. |
| 02:09.51 | asg | sussudio: dpkg is back |
| 02:09.54 | charzero | Tsop: where'd you get that dns-nameservers and dns-search from? |
| 02:10.04 | dvs | asg: but so is badgers |
| 02:10.12 | asg | charzero: it's from resolvconf |
| 02:10.23 | Tsop | charzero, from the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:10.32 | asg | dvs: yeah, sussudio will drop badgers when dpkg returns |
| 02:10.43 | patrickj | hmm |
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| 02:10.45 | patrickj | wtf.. |
| 02:10.47 | charzero | Tsop: You should'nt need those in there. The DHCP server should give them to you. |
| 02:10.48 | dvs | asg: ??? I thought dpkg is here |
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| 02:11.08 | charzero | Tsop: unless you know you don't want what your dhcp server gives you i guess. |
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| 02:11.21 | asg | dvs: dpkg just returned. sussudio brought in badgers in dpkg's stead. |
| 02:11.28 | asg | dvs: badgers just left |
| 02:11.33 | asg | !prize sussudio |
| 02:11.37 | Tsop | charzero, so i should remove the nameserver and the dns-search |
| 02:11.46 | charzero | Tsop: Yes. |
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| 02:12.40 | Tsop | charzero, got it to work it is pinging my gate way now |
| 02:12.43 | Tsop | ;) |
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| 02:13.12 | Tsop | charzero, now i can finish my installation and get the update pkg |
| 02:13.23 | Tsop | is it apt-get install update? |
| 02:13.48 | patrickj | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:13.48 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:13.55 | charzero | Tsop: the update package? |
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| 02:14.24 | Tsop | charzero, because when i was installing debian i didn't have an internet connection |
| 02:14.31 | charzero | Tsop: apt-get update |
| 02:14.41 | charzero | Tsop: will update what packages apt knows about. |
| 02:15.15 | Tsop | charzero, Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:15.20 | patrickj | how can I get my fucking nvidia-kernel-source to compile properly? |
| 02:15.36 | charzero | patrickj: stop swearing at it. |
| 02:15.40 | Tsop | charzero, but nothing is happening |
| 02:15.48 | charzero | Tsop: what do you want to happen? |
| 02:16.10 | Tsop | charzero, to update and install the updates |
| 02:16.12 | patrickj | well |
| 02:16.17 | patrickj | its not working and its annoying |
| 02:16.24 | patrickj | before I updated kernel it worked fine |
| 02:16.30 | patrickj | now that I got new kernel its busted |
| 02:16.35 | charzero | Tsop: apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade all your packages for which there are upgrades available. Is that what you want? |
| 02:16.40 | asg | patrickj: does it still work with the old kernel? |
| 02:16.42 | Tsop | charzero, is there 's a way i can run the installer again |
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| 02:16.45 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 02:16.50 | asg | stew: thanks |
| 02:16.57 | charzero | Tsop: Yes. Let me try to remember how. |
| 02:17.01 | patrickj | asg: I have no idea, lemme boot into it, but I cant use the old kernel because it wont work with my soundcard |
| 02:17.04 | stew | asg: np. dunno why aptitude quit earlier |
| 02:17.15 | Tsop | stew, how are you doing man ? |
| 02:17.17 | asg | stew: it was flooded by jhenn, as was dpkg |
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| 02:17.55 | charzero | Tsop: dpkg-reconfigure base-config ? |
| 02:18.18 | Tsop | charzero, my kernel is 2.4.27-2.386 |
| 02:18.25 | Tsop | i want to get 2.6 |
| 02:19.59 | charzero | Tsop: apt-cache search linux-image | grep 2.6 |
| 02:20.02 | asg | Tsop: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 02:20.10 | minerale | is it possible to play files remotely over ssh? |
| 02:20.16 | asg | minerale: yes |
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| 02:20.22 | Tsop | charzero, nothing is running , do u thing because i did dmesg -n 1 |
| 02:20.50 | asg | minerale: you can either use sshfs or just ssh me@foo cat bar.mp3 | <baz> - |
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| 02:21.20 | minerale | asg: no I mean, playing a file remotely |
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| 02:21.45 | Tsop | E: Couldn't find package kernel |
| 02:21.47 | asg | minerale: hmmm, define what you mean by 'playing a file remotely' |
| 02:21.54 | minerale | err, playing it on the remote machine |
| 02:22.19 | asg | minerale: ssh me@foo <player> <thing to play> |
| 02:22.42 | asg | Tsop: what did you type exactly? |
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| 02:24.06 | Tsop | apt-get install kernel |
| 02:24.24 | dvs | Tsop: you're missing the end part |
| 02:24.25 | asg | Tsop: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one of the packages listed) |
| 02:24.33 | minerale | asg: I have started cplay, I try to play a file and i get Permission error: /dev/mixer |
| 02:25.23 | Tsop | thats what i wrote |
| 02:25.36 | asg | minerale: either add the user on the remote end to the audio group (if the remote is a Debian box) or use 'sudo cplay foo' (provide sudo is installed) |
| 02:25.55 | asg | Tsop: no, you wrote 'apt-get install kernel'. 'apt-get install kernel-image' is different |
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| 02:26.54 | Tsop | asg, i did "apt-get install kerenl-image-2.6-386" |
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| 02:27.28 | Tsop | and i got E: Couldnm't find package kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 02:27.46 | dvs | Tsop: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:28.17 | Tsop | dvs, 3.1 |
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| 02:28.34 | asg | !info kernel-image-2.6-386 sarge |
| 02:28.37 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 02:29.30 | stormrider_may | Hello, i have 16 computers (k6-2 500mhz, 256mb ram) running Debian for internet/office purpose. I'm using icewm. The problem is that opera takes about 10-15 seconds to load, and openoffice takes 40-50 seconds. How can i reduce this load time? |
| 02:29.39 | stormrider_may | Already compiled kernel |
| 02:30.10 | asg | stormrider_may: the 'preload' package may be of help |
| 02:30.24 | stormrider_may | asg: ops, forgor to say, already running preload too |
| 02:30.33 | stormrider_may | i'll try initng this weekend |
| 02:30.42 | stormrider_may | but that will only work for boot |
| 02:30.52 | asg | stormrider_may: then buying more RAM will help the most and new CPUs after that. |
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| 02:31.30 | stormrider_may | asg so if i don't have money to buy it i have to use another os ? |
| 02:31.44 | asg | stormrider_may: or use less intensive applications |
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| 02:31.57 | asg | stormrider_may: using libc6-i686 may also help (if that matches your chipset) |
| 02:32.51 | asg | stormrider_may: you will get more memory by removing any unused daemons that may be running but not used. |
| 02:33.25 | stormrider_may | asg: i was wondering if i can force opera to be always (pre)loaded in the ram. Like kde does to konqueror. Is it possible? |
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| 02:34.03 | patrickj | doesnt work with the other kernel :'( |
| 02:34.05 | asg | stormrider_may: every program you run will be 'preloaded' in ram as part of the standard filesystem cache to some extent |
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| 02:35.07 | stormrider_may | asg: hmmm. but is there an special conf that i can do to tell preload do load opera at boot time? |
| 02:36.06 | sproingie | stormrider_may: just run it. that's all "preloading" an app does anyway |
| 02:36.24 | patrickj | asg: ya the nvidia-kernel-source compile still doesnt work in the other kernel |
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| 02:37.12 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 02:37.14 | sussudio | %test |
| 02:37.15 | badgers | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 02:37.18 | patrickj | lol |
| 02:38.21 | stormrider_may | sproingie , asg: thanks for the answer. It can sound crazy, but what about a cluster between those machines? Would it work? |
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| 02:39.04 | sproingie | stormrider_may: i don't really understand your question |
| 02:42.44 | asg | stormrider_may: it might be possible to use openmosix but the process may be too large to do anything useful. I'd suggest trying browsers that are less resource intensive (like dillo, epiphany, etc.) |
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| 02:43.11 | stormrider_may | sproingie: can i make a cluster with those machines. Like if one machine wants to load a program, all of them will help it to load this program. |
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| 02:44.07 | patrickj | asg: you still there ? |
| 02:44.09 | Tsop | stew, are you busy? |
| 02:44.13 | patrickj | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:44.14 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:44.32 | asg | patrickj: yes, what error do you get? what Debian version are you running? |
| 02:44.48 | patrickj | asg: well the error is huge, and I dont got gpm running |
| 02:44.59 | patrickj | im running the latest stable version..sarge I believe |
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| 02:45.30 | stormrider_may | asg: i have tried dillo but the problem is that javascript isn't supported |
| 02:46.43 | asg | patrickj: without the error, it's difficult to know what the problem is. Do you have contrib and non-free sources as indicated in the factoid? |
| 02:46.59 | patrickj | asg: yes I do |
| 02:47.03 | patrickj | said |
| 02:47.08 | patrickj | NVIDIA: left KBUILD |
| 02:47.14 | patrickj | nvidia.ko failed to build! |
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| 02:47.38 | asg | patrickj: what does 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep libc6' print? |
| 02:48.21 | Tsop | can someone please show the content of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:48.33 | patrickj | how do I start the console mouse? |
| 02:48.45 | asg | patrickj: /etc/init.d/gpm start (or something similar) |
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| 02:49.12 | patrickj | kk got gpm going :P |
| 02:49.15 | bluefox83 | where would i get help for games like doom3? |
| 02:49.20 | bluefox83 | and quake4 |
| 02:49.25 | asg | patrickj: someone else will have to help though, my batteries are spent. Good luck. |
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| 02:49.48 | Tsop | !info apt source.list |
| 02:49.49 | bluefox83 | i've run them both on my linux box before, but it was a while ago, and several updates and changes ago..i seem to be experiencing problems now |
| 02:50.50 | patrickj | asg: pastebin.ca/78454 |
| 02:52.09 | Tsop | i need help with my sources.list i have a blank content |
| 02:52.59 | Zerial | with apt-setup you can add sources |
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| 02:55.57 | patrickj | asg: u still there? |
| 02:57.37 | patrickj | 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep libc6' outputs http://www.pastebin.ca/78454 |
| 02:57.45 | patrickj | I just need x to work XD |
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| 03:02.42 | patrickj | guess noone can even help.. |
| 03:03.14 | uebayasi | hi & sorry for quick question - is there CD-ROM installer with console redirected to serial? |
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| 03:03.58 | peterS | uebayasi: you can redirect the console at the 'Boot:' prompt. before that, you're at the mercy of whether your BIOS lets you redirect the console |
| 03:04.17 | Tsop | Zerial, thank you |
| 03:05.36 | patrickj | alright basically im trying to compile my nvidia-kernel-source |
| 03:05.39 | patrickj | and it just doesnt compile |
| 03:05.47 | uebayasi | so, a boot program which does the redirection by defafult helps me a lot ;) |
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| 03:07.45 | uebayasi | anyway, i'll look for an LCD instead of arguing silly thing. :) thanks for quick response! |
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| 03:08.43 | peterS | uebayasi: well, you can boot then type blind when you think it's at the 'Boot:' prompt. I think the thing to type is 'linux console=ttyS0,9600' or similar |
| 03:08.52 | peterS | (baud rate) |
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| 03:09.20 | roym | folks - if one does an "apt-get upgrade", is it necessary to reboot or is debian |
| 03:09.27 | roym | able to keep chugging along? |
| 03:09.42 | SkareCrow | someone told me how to do this once. but its some command with a argument that keeps the file open and keeps spitting out anything new that comes to it |
| 03:10.03 | roym | SkareCrow: tail -f? |
| 03:10.06 | SkareCrow | yea |
| 03:10.07 | SkareCrow | thats it :P |
| 03:10.08 | SkareCrow | thanks |
| 03:11.25 | uebayasi | peterS, i find i can "borrow" CRT & K/B next to me for a few minutes :) |
| 03:11.50 | peterS | uebayasi: great |
| 03:12.19 | patrickj | lol |
| 03:12.22 | patrickj | I got dual lcds |
| 03:12.48 | peterS | well aren't you special |
| 03:12.59 | patrickj | who is using the 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:13.34 | waltz | nevar |
| 03:14.35 | patrickj | hmm |
| 03:14.47 | patrickj | well im trying to get my nvidia-kernel-source to compile but it wont |
| 03:15.06 | peterS | hooray for non-free crap |
| 03:15.26 | patrickj | :( |
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| 03:16.02 | patrickj | I am trying to copy the build error with gpm but it wont |
| 03:16.10 | patrickj | WTF IS GOING ON GRRRR |
| 03:16.14 | patrickj | THIS IS PISSING ME OFF |
| 03:16.18 | peterS | now gpm I can help you with, that's free crap at least (: |
| 03:16.27 | peterS | is gpm working at all? |
| 03:16.33 | patrickj | yes it working fine |
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| 03:16.41 | patrickj | but liek why cant you help me with the nvidia-drivers? |
| 03:16.46 | dabreegster | patrickj: Maybe your IRC client is blocking pastes |
| 03:16.55 | ice_1963 | i do not use gdm lol :) |
| 03:17.00 | patrickj | dabreegster: its not copying it in the first place |
| 03:17.04 | peterS | ah, too bad, gpm is something I actually know a bit about |
| 03:17.27 | patrickj | I just my motherfucking nvidia-kernel-source to compile |
| 03:17.28 | patrickj | grrr |
| 03:17.38 | patrickj | it WAS working before I update my kernel |
| 03:17.44 | patrickj | and now it doesnt work on either kenels.. |
| 03:17.45 | dabreegster | patrickj: Yet it'll copy some text and paste correctly. |
| 03:18.01 | peterS | with some apps if you want copy or paste to work correctly with gpm you have to hold down shift |
| 03:18.02 | patrickj | yes it will, but it wont copy the build error, I believe because its in ncurses.. |
| 03:18.11 | peterS | patrickj: yeah, try holding down shift as you do this |
| 03:18.28 | patrickj | kk.. |
| 03:18.31 | peterS | that's necessary with many ncurses apps for reasons I probably don't need to get into |
| 03:19.48 | peterS | I should get on my bike and ride about 5 miles south, out of town, so I can sit somewhere and watch everyone's amateur fireworks go off |
| 03:20.40 | CompWizrd | peterS: the cops came to my girlfriends parents fireworks |
| 03:20.45 | dabreegster | It's quiet around here. Guess people'll start tomorrow. |
| 03:20.46 | CompWizrd | apparently an anonymous call to 911 was mad |
| 03:20.47 | CompWizrd | made |
| 03:22.00 | patrickj | there, here is the last 50 lines of my build error: |
| 03:22.02 | patrickj | http://pastebin.ca/78477 |
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| 03:22.17 | dabreegster | pastebot it! |
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| 03:22.42 | patrickj | psatebot? |
| 03:22.44 | patrickj | *pastebot? |
| 03:23.15 | dabreegster | patrickj: You've got it, after you said 50 lines, I freaked and thought you were about to paste directly in your client |
| 03:23.59 | patrickj | LOL no |
| 03:24.05 | patrickj | that would be toooo insane :P |
| 03:24.14 | CompWizrd | isn't that what /exec -o is for? |
| 03:24.15 | CompWizrd | :) |
| 03:24.18 | patrickj | sorry about them being double spaced but pasting from ncruses is wierd |
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| 03:25.19 | peterS | patrickj: wow, /usr/include/linux/wait.h? that should _never_ happen, but I bet that's the cause of your misery |
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| 03:26.05 | peterS | patrickj: oh, hmmm, lines 3 through 6 are misleading, I thought it actually said /usr/include/linux/wait.h |
| 03:26.12 | patrickj | lol hmm |
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| 03:27.05 | peterS | line breaks aside, that paste has some junk in it, so it's hard to separate the real error message from the junk |
| 03:27.33 | leoncamel_ | hi, folks. is there any bug tracking for my customers ? |
| 03:28.11 | peterS | leoncamel_: you mean bug tracking software for your own use? you can try 'bugzilla' or 'trac', both are very popular |
| 03:28.31 | peterS | leoncamel_: you can also try 'debbugs' if you like the interface at http://bugs.debian.org/, but that's a bit special-purpose |
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| 03:28.59 | peterS | some people still use gnats, too, I have heard |
| 03:29.06 | leoncamel_ | peterS: hmm, we are using bugzilla for developers. and I want find a simple bugtracking system for customer using. |
| 03:29.28 | peterS | leoncamel_: lots of people like trac, it does issue tracking as well as other developer-oriented stuff. I dunno. |
| 03:29.35 | cmak_ | hello, can one somehow get the configure flags debian uses to build for example firefox? |
| 03:29.48 | peterS | cmak_: download the source package and have a look at debian/rules |
| 03:30.04 | peterS | cmak_: by 'download the source package' I mean 'apt-get source mozilla-firefox' |
| 03:30.04 | cmak_ | peterS, ok, thanks :) |
| 03:30.17 | cmak_ | peterS, and from another distro? |
| 03:30.39 | peterS | cmak_: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ and look for the .orig.tar.gz and the .diff.gz files |
| 03:30.47 | patrickj | peterS: any ideas? |
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| 03:31.14 | peterS | cmak_: you 'tar xzf' the .orig.tar.gz file then cd to the directory it creates then 'gzip -cd ../*.diff.gz | patch -p1' |
| 03:31.42 | peterS | patrickj: it's just too hard to read the error message, with other unrelated or out-of-order stuff thrown in with it |
| 03:31.59 | sproingie | arg .. i used to have installing the ati drivers down to a science ... anyone know the make-kpkg line to build the fglrx kernel module? |
| 03:33.06 | peterS | sproingie: these things are usually handled by module-assistant (aka 'm-a') these days, check on that |
| 03:33.15 | patrickj | peterS: ya, sorry about it, but I dont know exactly what the real error is.. :\ |
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| 03:33.49 | patrickj | how bad is the 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:33.51 | peterS | patrickj: if you can figure out how to paste the error in a cleaner fashion than you did before, so that it actually looks the same on the paste site as it does onscreen, that would help a lot. I'm quite sure what you have there now does not resemble the real thing |
| 03:34.06 | peterS | there's nothing wrong with the 2.4 kernel, really |
| 03:34.15 | peterS | except limited support for newish hardware like SATA |
| 03:34.30 | patrickj | hmm alright |
| 03:34.41 | patrickj | peterS: gimme a few minutes to organize it :P |
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| 03:34.59 | peterS | 2.6 might be better optimised in various cases, but really, 2.4 worked fine in 2003, it works fine now |
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| 03:36.39 | sproingie | peterS: m-a doesn't like me unfortunately ... or at least doesnt like sid |
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| 03:37.08 | peterS | sproingie: I'm in the enviable position of having bought only hardware which supports Linux directly, so I have no experience with m-a |
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| 03:37.33 | tictac | hmm. how am i supposed to install debian over a serial connection using the sarge installer? |
| 03:37.54 | peterS | tictac: at the Boot: prompt, type something similar to 'linux console=ttyS0,9600'. I haven't tested this. |
| 03:38.02 | tictac | there is nothing that will allow me to go into a console to edit /etc/inittab for a console using the serial port. |
| 03:38.49 | tictac | i mean, debian is installed on the sparc fine, i just cant use it since inittab is looking for logins on a virtual terminal. |
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| 03:39.24 | peterS | tictac: ok then append 'console=ttyS0 init=/bin/bash' to the boot command line |
| 03:39.42 | peterS | tictac: and fix it so that it puts at least one getty on either /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/console |
| 03:40.05 | peterS | I mean console=ttyS0,9600 or whatever, I do think you have to specify the baud rate |
| 03:40.26 | peterS | that reminds me, I need to figure out how to netboot the RS/6000 again |
| 03:41.30 | tictac | nevermind. i got the sarge installer to execute a shell. had to keep hitting the 'go back' option until the main menu appeared. |
| 03:41.44 | peterS | ah, right, that works too |
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| 03:42.32 | noiesmo | how can i work out what packages to remove to resolve apt-get dependency problem |
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| 03:45.06 | peterS | noiesmo: simplest way? run aptitude interactively, learn to use it, and these things become quite easy |
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| 03:45.30 | DARKGuy | Greetings :) I'm needing to print something for tomorrow, and using OpenOffice... that's good. However, the printer I need to use is in a Windows share (sucks :( ) and using SMB4K I can log in (using something like USER\\LocalUser and the password) and check the printer, but it doesn't appears in OpenOffice nor SMB4K seems to be able to "mount" it... any ideas? |
| 03:47.45 | Ratlump | DARKGuy: Why not hook up the printer to your Linux system? |
| 03:48.04 | DARKGuy | Ratlump, it's far away from my comp :P |
| 03:48.23 | DARKGuy | Ratlump, it's also my mother's printer, so she's SO not going to let me move it anyways :P |
| 03:48.31 | noiesmo | peterS, ok will try |
| 03:48.47 | patrickj | peterS: here - http://pastebin.ca/78487 |
| 03:48.47 | peterS | DARKGuy: you don't mount printers, you print to them. you can set up an smb printer using cupsys if you want, or if you have a raw postscript file (and if the print queue accepts postscript) you can use 'smbclient' with its 'print' command |
| 03:48.55 | patrickj | if you need more, lemme know |
| 03:49.18 | Ratlump | DARKGuy: er... what peterS said... |
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| 03:50.13 | tictac | blah. cant open boot device. |
| 03:50.15 | DARKGuy | Alright so... peterS, I try apt-get install cupsys, says it's installed, but I type "cupsys" as normal user and root and I get comamnd not found oO |
| 03:50.29 | DARKGuy | *command. |
| 03:50.44 | peterS | DARKGuy: cupsys is really better known as CUPS, the Common Unix Printing System. anyway. what you want is to point your web browser to http://localhost:631/ |
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| 03:51.00 | patrickj | peterS: does that help |
| 03:51.00 | patrickj | ? |
| 03:51.05 | peterS | DARKGuy: that's the normal cups admin interface. I'm not certain it lets you add a smb printer from there, but try it and see |
| 03:51.16 | DARKGuy | peterS, okay, I'll try ^^ |
| 03:51.25 | peterS | patrickj: pastebin.ca takes a fooking long time to reach me, so I hadn't checked my browser window yet |
| 03:51.55 | nexis | im having some problems with the ip tool set, and could use some input, trying to load balance 2 connections. |
| 03:52.16 | stoned | I spent the last 4 hours cleaning my apt. It is so clean you can eat off the floor. But, my back is killing me. Happy 4th of July to the USA Debianers! |
| 03:52.22 | peterS | patrickj: much clearer, thanks. however, it's nothing immediately obvious to me |
| 03:52.34 | peterS | stoned: you ran 'apt-get clean'? |
| 03:52.40 | stoned | lol |
| 03:52.41 | stoned | I wish man |
| 03:52.42 | patrickj | ok :\ |
| 03:52.44 | peterS | or just 'apt clean' I guess |
| 03:52.58 | stoned | there is a dot after apt |
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| 03:53.01 | stoned | meaning Apartment |
| 03:53.02 | stoned | :D |
| 03:53.16 | sid | Please enter the desired value of the TZ environment variable. |
| 03:53.16 | sid | For example, GST-10 is a zone named GST that is 10 hours ahead (east) of UTC. |
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| 03:53.38 | sid | What do I put there, to have GMT+1 time? Can I put "GMT+1" or do I have to put this GST stuff? |
| 03:53.51 | sid | (This is from tzselect by the way) |
| 03:54.09 | peterS | sid: there isn't already a timezone you can select that represents your location? |
| 03:54.25 | tictac | echpo "US/Central" > /etc/timezone |
| 03:54.29 | tictac | echo too |
| 03:54.35 | peterS | sid: use 'FOO-1' where FOO is really anything you want |
| 03:54.51 | uebayasi | k, so now i seem to finish installation with businesscard CD-ROM |
| 03:54.58 | peterS | sid: that gives you western europe time without summer time |
| 03:55.09 | sid | peterS: http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/t/time.htm |
| 03:55.10 | uebayasi | but i don't think i set a default boot parameter anywhere... |
| 03:55.20 | DARKGuy | peterS, Good! I'm kinda trying to add the printer. It asks for "Device URI for Epson", shows some examples, and in the help file it says it's something like "socket://address", but in the box where I need to input the URI, "smb" is already written. Do I put "smb socket://address" or just "socket://address" ? |
| 03:55.22 | sid | There are 3 GST's listed. And they all have different time. So I'm sort of confused. |
| 03:55.43 | sid | peterS: Well I don't live in GMT+1; I just know this server needs to be set to GMT+1; and I'm not sure if I'm fucking up the time zones. |
| 03:56.15 | peterS | DARKGuy: smb://LocalUser@machine/queuename, I _think_ |
| 03:56.34 | peterS | sid: is this UK with summer time, or is this GMT+1 all year round? |
| 03:56.36 | DARKGuy | peterS, kay, shall try ^^ |
| 03:56.44 | sid | peterS: I set it to "GMT+1" but I checked timeanddate.com and I randomly picked berlin, Germany. Which is GMT+1; and the time wasn't even close. Off by several hours. |
| 03:56.54 | sid | peterS: GMT+1 all year round. |
| 03:57.01 | peterS | sid: Berlin uses summer time so right now it is GMT+2 |
| 03:57.13 | sid | still wasn't even close |
| 03:57.29 | sid | I don't think "GMT+1" for tzselect works right. i dunno |
| 03:57.31 | peterS | sid: anyway, 'GST-1' will work |
| 03:57.42 | sid | GST-1 == GMT+1? |
| 03:57.44 | peterS | yes |
| 03:57.50 | peterS | where GST is just any arbitrary label |
| 03:58.01 | patrickj | peterS: so..no idea about my error atm? |
| 03:58.07 | sid | awesome, thanks peterS |
| 03:58.07 | peterS | the GST is "let's call this time zone GST" and the -1 is "one hour east of London" |
| 03:58.35 | peterS | patrickj: not really. notice line 10, it says it ran something called conftest.sh and that failed. that's what I'd look into |
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| 04:00.11 | c0rrupt` | hey is there anyway for telnet to not output any connection info |
| 04:00.23 | c0rrupt` | such as |
| 04:00.27 | peterS | c0rrupt`: use netcat instead (package name netcat, program name nc) |
| 04:00.31 | c0rrupt` | "Trying ip" |
| 04:00.33 | patrickj | peterS: alright well, does kernel 2.4 have support for scsi drives? |
| 04:00.36 | c0rrupt` | yea i love netcat |
| 04:00.39 | c0rrupt` | i use it all the time |
| 04:00.42 | deadcat | so use it |
| 04:00.48 | c0rrupt` | how do you do it in telnet |
| 04:00.53 | peterS | patrickj: SCSI was introduced with kernel 1.2, I think |
| 04:01.06 | patrickj | peterS: lol alright, which kernel do you use? |
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| 04:01.08 | c0rrupt` | without it outputing "Escape character..." and "Connected to.." |
| 04:01.22 | peterS | patrickj: at the moment, debian's own 2.6.16-1-k7 |
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| 04:01.35 | tao36 | hi! |
| 04:03.07 | sussudio | tao36: nobody cares. |
| 04:03.07 | patrickj | well |
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| 04:03.11 | patrickj | im gonna csleep |
| 04:03.12 | patrickj | *sleep |
| 04:03.23 | patrickj | and morrow morning, try and reinstall debian and get it working :P |
| 04:03.27 | c0rrupt` | is there anyway to remove the first 3 lines with just 1 command |
| 04:03.32 | uebayasi | owwwwkay, Debian is smart enought to remember boot parameter and set it as default, this is really nice! |
| 04:03.47 | c0rrupt` | of a file |
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| 04:04.09 | dabreegster | c0rrupt`: you can get them with head -3, but that won't remove them |
| 04:04.15 | tao36 | coming from sussudio one can only expect a Phil Collins type of comment! |
| 04:04.20 | peterS | c0rrupt`: tail +3 or something like that |
| 04:04.24 | cppcoder | tao36 entra em #motd |
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| 04:04.32 | c0rrupt` | ? |
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| 04:04.57 | noiesmo | peterS, how does aptitude resolve dependencies compared to apt-get |
| 04:05.53 | c0rrupt` | thanks |
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| 04:05.56 | peterS | noiesmo: it has its own engine for such, I don't know the differences. but when you run it interactively you get to see why it does what it does and influence its choices much more easily than apt-get from a command line |
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| 04:08.35 | noiesmo | peterS, ok, I think it's doing what i want. I selected the package i wanted and now its getting a heap of extra packages |
| 04:09.42 | peterS | noiesmo: yeah, you can go to each of them and hit i and see what is pulling it in |
| 04:09.45 | stew | c0rrupt`: sed '1,3d' |
| 04:09.57 | c0rrupt` | whats that o |
| 04:09.58 | c0rrupt` | do |
| 04:10.04 | stoned | sed/awk are so freakin' cryptic |
| 04:10.09 | peterS | c0rrupt`: deletes three lines then prints everything else |
| 04:10.13 | c0rrupt` | nice |
| 04:10.50 | peterS | 1,3 is a range meaning 'lines 1 through 3', d means 'delete' |
| 04:10.58 | peterS | the default action is just to print each line as it comes in |
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| 04:11.16 | DARKGuy | nope peterS, it's not working :( |
| 04:11.18 | c0rrupt` | cool thanks |
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| 04:11.43 | stew | c0rrupt`: if you want to actually alter the file: sed -i '1,3d' /path/to/file ; if you just want to dump the output to stdout, leave off the -i |
| 04:12.12 | c0rrupt` | k |
| 04:12.13 | c0rrupt` | thanks |
| 04:12.35 | niru | hi |
| 04:13.12 | stew | i love the acronym STONITH |
| 04:13.29 | stew | !stonith |
| 04:13.35 | predder | bot's dead |
| 04:13.42 | stew | aptitude: stonith |
| 04:13.45 | stew | bah |
| 04:13.50 | predder | but yeah, I laughed when I found out what it was too ;) |
| 04:14.07 | keram | can someone help me configure avahi so that my computer is accessible through something other than hostname.local |
| 04:14.15 | keram | i'd rather it be hostname.com or .org or something |
| 04:14.52 | niru | stew:I ran the runtime test for my debian based distro.It ran for more than 4 hours. |
| 04:15.18 | stew | niru: i don't know what you are talking about |
| 04:15.44 | niru | I am talking about LSB test |
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| 04:16.59 | justin420 | hi all. anybody help with setting up ndiswrapper with use of a wpa key? I have wpa-supplicant installed, and my inf correctly installed. I believe it may be a syntax problem with my wpa_supplicant.conf file, but I am not sure. http://pastebin.ca/78494 |
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| 04:18.00 | rue_mohr | gnome menu editor: |
| 04:18.11 | rue_mohr | ImportError: No module named gtk <-- help? |
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| 04:41.09 | ferguscan | Is there any standardised way to build debs from source with debugging symbols? |
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| 04:45.34 | tictac | where do you change the default system locale? |
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| 04:46.34 | ootput | update-locale? |
| 04:46.51 | ootput | etc/defaults/locale |
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| 04:49.47 | patrickj | alright how do I upgrade my kernel to 2.6.16-686? |
| 04:49.59 | cast | look at backports.org |
| 04:50.06 | patrickj | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.16-2-686? |
| 04:50.43 | Stevie-O | I think it's linux-image |
| 04:51.08 | peterS | yeah these days it's called linux-image-foo rather than kernel-image-foo but yeah, just install whatever package you find |
| 04:51.12 | patrickj | got it :P |
| 04:51.25 | patrickj | I put linux-image-2.6.16-1-686-smp |
| 04:51.32 | patrickj | thats a valid one, correct? |
| 04:51.42 | peterS | should be |
| 04:51.54 | peterS | though the smp kernels apparently are going away in 2.6.17, the same image will be used for UP and SMP |
| 04:52.08 | peterS | thanks to a runtime optimisation that makes this feasible without losing any performance |
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| 04:53.53 | patrickj | I added the backports.org source to my sources,list |
| 04:53.53 | patrickj | *sources.list |
| 04:55.00 | niru | any help for LSB |
| 04:55.22 | patrickj | LSB? |
| 04:55.40 | peterS | no, the LSB is quite hopeless |
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| 04:56.02 | peterS | LSB == Linux Standard Base, a set of standards Linux distributors attempt to comply with |
| 04:56.39 | patrickj | wtf |
| 04:56.49 | patrickj | it didnt ask me which kernel I wanted to install at..install :\ |
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| 04:57.19 | chaoticflaws | hello? |
| 04:57.27 | chaoticflaws | any live ones in here? |
| 04:57.33 | tictac | no. only dead ones. |
| 04:57.38 | chaoticflaws | YES! |
| 04:57.45 | chaoticflaws | Necrofeliac delight. |
| 04:58.28 | chaoticflaws | when it comes to ISO burning....whats a good choice? |
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| 04:59.19 | peterS | chaoticflaws: I just use cdrecord by itself. if you already have an iso9660 image, it's not that hard - 'cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom isoname' is the minimum necessary |
| 04:59.37 | peterS | chaoticflaws: though I also use '-eject -v' in there, to get verbose output and automatic CD ejection when done |
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| 04:59.53 | chaoticflaws | aight. thanks |
| 05:00.06 | peterS | chaoticflaws: oh and -tao to suppress the silly warning about using track-at-once mode by default |
| 05:00.08 | chaoticflaws | recently toasted windows. |
| 05:00.17 | skon | good evening everyone |
| 05:01.05 | chaoticflaws | peterS: So dev=/dev/cdrom -tao isoname |
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| 05:01.13 | tictac | chaoticflaws: use nero. it just works. |
| 05:01.14 | chaoticflaws | should kick some cd a$$? |
| 05:01.24 | chaoticflaws | nero in linux? |
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| 05:01.28 | tictac | indeed. |
| 05:01.29 | peterS | chaoticflaws: yep. -v is nice because it tells you its progress |
| 05:01.36 | tictac | works quite well, in fact. |
| 05:01.36 | chaoticflaws | theres a linuc variant? |
| 05:01.51 | chaoticflaws | linux* |
| 05:01.56 | tictac | !googleto nero linux |
| 05:01.56 | chaoticflaws | aight thanks. |
| 05:02.08 | lakcaj | k3b is very nice, even run in gnome |
| 05:02.23 | tictac | i was always possesed with input/output scsicmd errors. |
| 05:02.49 | tictac | with 2.4 and 2.6. installed nero. bam. suddenly i had no issues. |
| 05:02.59 | skon | do i need to config a gateway address in second nic card ( eth1 ) on my router |
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| 05:03.15 | peterS | chaoticflaws: oh I should mention, if your CD-R drive isn't the default CD-ROM drive, you'll have to use a device name different from /dev/cdrom. but anyway. |
| 05:03.28 | skon | first nic ( eth0 ) is dhcp |
| 05:03.29 | tictac | skon: generally you dont configure a gateway on the 2nd nic in a gateway/router/proxy/squid machine |
| 05:03.50 | chaoticflaws | peterS: I only got one drive hooked up at the moment... |
| 05:04.12 | peterS | skon: you should learn what default gateway means, then the answer will be clear for whatever situation you are in. it doesn't make sense to have more than one default gateway - but whether it belongs on your first or your second NIC is more than I can way |
| 05:04.17 | peterS | say |
| 05:05.03 | skon | peterS: i did not say that i wanted more than one |
| 05:05.17 | chaoticflaws | Hey, it's the 4rth of july here......So in the name of america it' ok to blow sh@t up |
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| 05:05.27 | peterS | skon: well you asked whether you need one on eth1. I don't know, it depends on what eth0 and eth1 are connected to. |
| 05:05.28 | patrickj | ya |
| 05:05.29 | skon | i was not sure if i had to "point' eth1 to eth0 .. thats all |
| 05:05.39 | skon | ahh okay i see |
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| 05:05.41 | patrickj | When i try to install the new kernel I get an error |
| 05:05.42 | patrickj | http://pastebin.ca/78517 |
| 05:05.48 | peterS | anyway, you only need one, but whether the internet at large goes through eth0 or through eth1, we of course do not know |
| 05:06.01 | skon | eth0 is connected to internet |
| 05:06.12 | skon | and eth1 to internal lan |
| 05:06.35 | peterS | the meaning of 'default gateway' is 'where packets go if they have no more specific destination'. generally that means "in the direction of the Internet" |
| 05:06.53 | rue_mohr | anyone know if parted can move a partition? |
| 05:06.59 | peterS | yes it can |
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| 05:07.32 | skon | peterS: okay thanks |
| 05:08.01 | rue_mohr | ok, can gparted interface to do it |
| 05:08.09 | patrickj | ugh ill just fix this motherfucker morrow |
| 05:08.18 | rue_mohr | cause its got free space before greyed out, and wont let me move it |
| 05:08.34 | skon | still not sure how packets coming in on eth1 card then route to eth0 and out to internet though |
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| 05:08.43 | chaoticflaws | peterS: thanks for the help |
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| 05:11.38 | tictac | skon: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 05:11.40 | Tsop | when i do apt-get install irssi , i get not available? |
| 05:11.53 | tictac | Tsop: irssi-text |
| 05:11.56 | peterS | Tsop: the package is named irssi-text in sarge |
| 05:12.07 | tictac | skon: replace 192.168.0.0/16 with your internal source net |
| 05:12.13 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search irssi even |
| 05:12.16 | peterS | because there was supposed to be an X interface to irssi in development. fortunately, that died. |
| 05:12.24 | tictac | lol |
| 05:12.36 | Tsop | thank you |
| 05:12.50 | mage__ | heh thats silly, they should have named the packages irssi and irssi-gui |
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| 05:13.22 | tictac | at least they didnt name it irssi-nogui ;) |
| 05:13.33 | mage__ | haha true |
| 05:13.35 | tictac | stupid mplayer packages. |
| 05:13.36 | peterS | mage__: nobody named 'mage' gets to make fun of anyone else's choices in naming, either themselves or their packages, mmk. |
| 05:13.49 | mage__ | whats wrong with the nick? |
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| 05:14.08 | mage__ | im a person not a screw driver |
| 05:14.14 | peterS | it's a word rarely used by people who aren't seriously into role playing |
| 05:14.18 | peterS | so people will make assumptions |
| 05:14.29 | Tsop | tictac, can you help me with user account , i forgot what user/password i setup the user account with |
| 05:15.20 | chaoticflaws | Tsop: you want to reset password for an account? |
| 05:15.26 | tictac | so have root change it |
| 05:15.27 | peterS | anyway, irssi-x was never complete or useful, but people thought it would be. fortunately, it seems to be dead, so irssi-text has since been renamed back to irssi. |
| 05:15.32 | tictac | # passwd user |
| 05:15.35 | skon | tictac: that is how the packets are redirected between the two internal nicks - with iptables - that is what i was confused with - thanks very much |
| 05:15.39 | mage__ | wooohoo |
| 05:15.52 | Tsop | chaoticflaws, i want to know how to add/delete and reset user account |
| 05:15.54 | tictac | skon: sure |
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| 05:16.13 | chaoticflaws | Tsop: do you have an admin account? |
| 05:16.22 | Tsop | i am the root |
| 05:16.24 | peterS | Tsop: adduser, deluser |
| 05:16.26 | chaoticflaws | aight. |
| 05:16.28 | chaoticflaws | yup |
| 05:16.36 | chaoticflaws | what peterS said |
| 05:16.44 | chaoticflaws | I was thinking the hard way .... |
| 05:17.16 | Tsop | peterS, ok how can i browse to see which user i have on my system |
| 05:17.39 | peterS | Tsop: realistically, either 'getent passwd' or 'ls /home' will work |
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| 05:19.01 | Tsop | peterS, and after i found the user that i forgot the password |
| 05:19.07 | Tsop | how can i rest it |
| 05:19.23 | chaoticflaws | passwd username |
| 05:19.35 | chaoticflaws | as root of course |
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| 05:21.34 | Borg^Queen | wow |
| 05:21.41 | Borg^Queen | oh there you guys are |
| 05:21.49 | peterS | quick, everyone hide |
| 05:21.50 | Tsop | peterS, thank you |
| 05:22.02 | Borg^Queen | hey does anyone know what package contains kmatrix screensaver? |
| 05:22.12 | Borg^Queen | peterS: lol |
| 05:22.15 | Tsop | xfreeorg |
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| 05:23.12 | Borg^Queen | xfreeorg is the package? |
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| 05:23.48 | i2omani | hi guys |
| 05:23.56 | chaoticflaws | go nero gooo |
| 05:24.00 | peterS | Borg^Queen: no. don't know where it is though |
| 05:24.08 | chaoticflaws | hey what about the girls in here? |
| 05:24.16 | chaoticflaws | isn't that a bit sexes? |
| 05:24.21 | chaoticflaws | lol |
| 05:24.29 | peterS | chaoticflaws: it's ok not to greet the girls |
| 05:24.36 | chaoticflaws | LOL |
| 05:24.44 | chaoticflaws | oooo good point there... |
| 05:24.46 | Borg^Queen | peterS: thanks |
| 05:25.32 | peterS | I tend to call some of them 'dude' anyway. if they mind they don't say so |
| 05:26.06 | i2omani | i don't have any xwindows , how can i get onw please |
| 05:26.06 | chaoticflaws | well dude and guys is pretty general anyway....almost sexless if i may say ... |
| 05:26.10 | Borg^Queen | chaoticflaws: what do you mean by greet? |
| 05:26.13 | ootput | i'm sure the ladies don't need the extra attention |
| 05:26.19 | ootput | they just want to idle in peace ;) |
| 05:26.26 | chaoticflaws | hha |
| 05:26.27 | tictac | heh. my sister hates it when everyone realizes she is one of the few females in a linux channel. |
| 05:26.27 | peterS | ootput: quite so |
| 05:26.52 | chaoticflaws | ootput: does she ahve to beat em back with a stick? |
| 05:26.52 | ootput | the greatest trick the devil ever pulled... |
| 05:26.53 | peterS | tictac: these days, in this channel, it's no big deal. 3 years ago when I first joined, it kind of was. |
| 05:26.56 | Borg^Queen | tictac: aye, bad attention usually |
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| 05:27.00 | tictac | then she confuses them with her vast knowledge of mathematics. |
| 05:27.10 | i2omani | peterS: can u help me setup xfree86 |
| 05:27.17 | tictac | peterS: she hangs out in #ubuntu :| |
| 05:27.25 | peterS | tictac: some culture change has happened since, in a quite positive direction, from my perception |
| 05:27.26 | i2omani | should i apt-get install xfree86 |
| 05:27.30 | Borg^Queen | GN people |
| 05:27.36 | chaoticflaws | interesting.. |
| 05:27.42 | tictac | at least she doesnt use redhat. :P |
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| 05:27.57 | kusznir | Hi all: I have some questions about how to use apt or other debian package management tools. I have a good understanding of rpm and gentoo's emerge, but relatively little experience with apt. |
| 05:27.59 | dabreegster | I just realized I do not know any females into Linux or programming. Closest are anime/videogame fans. Scary. |
| 05:28.20 | ootput | kusznir: iirc, there's a gentoo<=>debian convert guide |
| 05:28.23 | peterS | dabreegster: one doesn't usually meet them in person (: but they're around |
| 05:28.36 | kusznir | One of the big things that as of yet I haven't figured out how to do with apt is search. I want it to show me a list of all available packages that include a specific search string; how do I do that with apt? |
| 05:28.44 | ootput | kusznir: explaining the differences/similarities b/w package management |
| 05:28.50 | peterS | kusznir: 'apt-cache search' or 'aptitude search' |
| 05:28.54 | dabreegster | peterS: I was surprised to meet somebody within 10 years of my age at the LUG meeting tonight |
| 05:28.58 | peterS | kusznir: so for example: 'apt-cache search irc client' |
| 05:28.58 | tictac | dabreegster: i got my sister into linux when she decided that office wanted to corrupt one of her final papers in her jr year. she has been using linux ever since. |
| 05:29.04 | kusznir | thank you both of you; I'll check that now! |
| 05:29.04 | ootput | kusznir: it's on gentoo-wiki |
| 05:29.33 | tictac | if you start with small apps like firefox and gaim, it helps turn them into an oss zealot after a while ;) |
| 05:29.38 | dabreegster | tictac: I've been trying to convert mine too. She mostly just uses the PC for chatting, myspace, the web, etc. Haven't really succeeded yet. |
| 05:29.54 | chaoticflaws | dam.....i tihnk the live cd distro i got hates my ait card... |
| 05:30.10 | ootput | coz it's a knockoff-brand |
| 05:30.15 | kusznir | How about a way to query wether a package is installed (and if it is, what version)? |
| 05:30.18 | dabreegster | tictac: Mainly cause we're all on dialup here, and serial modems aren't cheap. |
| 05:30.23 | peterS | kusznir: dpkg -l packagename |
| 05:30.23 | tictac | mine is a math major, she uses it quite extensively. she was forced to learn LaTeX for a research project and she was way ahead of everyone else in her group because she already knew about nix. |
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| 05:30.31 | peterS | (that's l not 1) |
| 05:30.36 | dabreegster | kusznir: apt-cache policy |
| 05:31.07 | tictac | dabreegster: when i started using linux like 6 years ago, i had broadband. never had to deal with modems, other than using my cell phone as a modem in times where i couldnt pick up a wifi signal in my car |
| 05:31.30 | chaoticflaws | I got CDMA WLAN card in my laptop |
| 05:31.34 | chaoticflaws | no cellphone needed |
| 05:31.35 | peterS | kids these days |
| 05:31.35 | chaoticflaws | :-D |
| 05:31.36 | Tsop | god i shouldn't get sarge i should got unstable |
| 05:31.42 | Tsop | surge is hard |
| 05:31.56 | tictac | chaoticflaws: yea... but those sucks and are expensive |
| 05:31.58 | dabreegster | tictac: Lucky. This house isn't already wired for cable, and DSL would be terrible with the lines around here. |
| 05:32.06 | kusznir | thank you, that helps a lot |
| 05:32.14 | tictac | dabreegster: do you live in the sticks? haha |
| 05:32.20 | chaoticflaws | tictac: came with my ibm thinkpad t60 |
| 05:32.38 | dabreegster | tictac: Hmm? The Sticks? |
| 05:32.42 | chaoticflaws | but then again i'm poor now |
| 05:32.45 | chaoticflaws | lol |
| 05:32.55 | tictac | dabreegster: in the country, outskirts, etc, etc |
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| 05:33.15 | dabreegster | tictac: Oh, no. Suburban area. This is just an older house. |
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| 05:33.32 | tictac | sucks |
| 05:33.37 | dabreegster | tictac: Some of my friends in rural areas have much better connections than me. |
| 05:33.59 | peterS | dabreegster: have you actually checked on dsl signal availability? I wouldn't have thought my apartment could get too good of dsl but apparently I'm eligible for up to 6 Mbit |
| 05:34.04 | Tsop | xstart i get command not found |
| 05:34.16 | tictac | startx |
| 05:34.36 | Tsop | i meant that , |
| 05:34.47 | dabreegster | peterS: It's available, but the lines around here are so cheap. Everybody experienced that I've talked to has told me the same. |
| 05:34.49 | peterS | startx is in the 'xbase-clients' package, I believe |
| 05:35.02 | peterS | dabreegster: gotcha |
| 05:35.37 | tictac | dabreegster: how hard is to wire a house for cable? run a line from the pole to a newly installed box.. run a line from that through the wall into your room. done. |
| 05:36.13 | dabreegster | tictac: The box is already outdoors, but I'd have to dig out part of the yard and driveway. |
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| 05:36.30 | tictac | why |
| 05:36.55 | dabreegster | tictac: To get from the cable box to the house. |
| 05:36.56 | tictac | they usually run cable in the air these days.... |
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| 05:37.36 | dabreegster | That really wouldn't work with the layout of the backyard, but I'm still considering it. |
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| 05:42.33 | Tsop | please help setting up xfree86 |
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| 05:45.00 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 05:45.12 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:45.15 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i prefer to build it myself |
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| 05:48.28 | glimmung | hi all, I want to try debian, how many binaries do I need to download? I see 14 in the iso dir |
| 05:48.43 | streuner | !d-i glimmung |
| 05:48.43 | dpkg | glimmung, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:48.55 | streuner | glimmung: and read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
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| 05:51.00 | nima | if i put something in /etc/environment, it should apply to all future bash sessions? |
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| 05:53.00 | glimmung | that still just takes me to the directory with 14 binaries in it, which one do I need? |
| 05:54.08 | streuner | glimmung: netinstall is one iso, which is about 120 MB |
| 05:54.12 | streuner | !netinstal |
| 05:54.18 | streuner | !netinstall |
| 05:54.18 | Tsop | please can someone help me install xfree86 |
| 05:54.19 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 05:54.37 | dabreegster | Tsop: What's giving you trouble with it? |
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| 05:55.16 | nima | Tsop, what debian version? |
| 05:55.26 | rockstar_ | Anyone have any idea why I'm getting a "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" All of the sudden on my newest installations of debian when upgrading the kernel image to the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 05:55.59 | glimmung | what do I need to know about netinstall? |
| 05:56.06 | glimmung | before I bork my system |
| 05:56.16 | streuner | !tell glimmung about ig |
| 05:56.16 | Tsop | nima, 3.1 |
| 05:56.23 | rockstar_ | glimmung, just make sure the nic is supported, everything else is cake! |
| 05:56.36 | Tsop | dabreegster, when i do startx , i get unknow command |
| 05:56.41 | glimmung | do I have to choos all the progs or something? |
| 05:57.15 | rockstar_ | glimmung, yeah, you can manually pick them, or choose from pre-selected configurations. |
| 05:57.35 | streuner | glimmung: start reading the install-guide now, before you asking questions which are already answered there |
| 05:57.39 | glimmung | does debian handle the ipod at all? |
| 05:57.55 | dabreegster | glimmung: Sure, apt-cache search ipod |
| 05:58.01 | streuner | Tsop: install xbase-clients |
| 05:58.10 | streuner | !tell Tsop about search |
| 05:58.30 | rockstar_ | Still don't know about my "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" error. |
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| 05:58.41 | Tsop | streuner, i did that |
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| 06:00.10 | streuner | rockstar_: did you add the 'initrd' line to your bootloader? |
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| 06:02.17 | streuner | Tsop: if nothing works, just choose 'VESA' as driver |
| 06:02.38 | streuner | !drxx Tsop |
| 06:02.38 | dpkg | Tsop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 06:03.39 | akulah | Hello |
| 06:04.12 | akulah | Is there an automated way to install sid |
| 06:04.19 | streuner | no |
| 06:04.27 | streuner | akulah: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 06:04.37 | Tsop | streuner, how can i dump the output of a command to a text file so i can paste it in a flood channel |
| 06:04.46 | akulah | I've used debootstrap to install a base sistem and then configure everything by hand |
| 06:04.47 | streuner | !paste |
| 06:04.48 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 06:05.01 | hologram | command >> filename |
| 06:05.09 | hologram | command > filename |
| 06:05.47 | akulah | but is a little pain |
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| 06:06.11 | streuner | Guerin: ! :-) |
| 06:06.18 | Guerin | streuner: g'day mite |
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| 06:06.28 | streuner | Guerin: everything ok? |
| 06:06.44 | Guerin | streuner: yes and no |
| 06:06.52 | Tsop | now how can i paste that file in the #flood |
| 06:06.55 | Tsop | cat file name |
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| 06:07.09 | Guerin | streuner: i have a broken collarbone, have moved back to the old country, and have reenrolled at university |
| 06:07.22 | dabreegster | Tsop: Assuming you're on the console, use gpm and dpkg's link |
| 06:07.23 | hologram | /exec -msg #chan cat filename |
| 06:07.35 | hologram | that would work in bitchx anyway.. not sure of your client |
| 06:07.43 | Guerin | that should work in irssi too |
| 06:07.47 | hologram | roger that |
| 06:08.30 | streuner | Guerin: fuck |
| 06:09.00 | Guerin | streuner: that's what I said when it happened |
| 06:09.06 | streuner | haha |
| 06:09.21 | Tsop | dabreegster, did work ? |
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| 06:09.41 | Tsop | you want me to type that in the flood chan |
| 06:09.46 | streuner | Guerin: well, it seems, everything else is ok ... :-) |
| 06:10.02 | dabreegster | Tsop: Er, no. gpm is a mouse interface for the console. Lets you copy and paste. |
| 06:11.02 | Tsop | dabreegster, sorry but i can't understand |
| 06:11.25 | Guerin | streuner: yeah. broke, back here in winterland, but tings are cool |
| 06:11.28 | dabreegster | Tsop: Just try the line hologram mentioned in your IRC client on #flood |
| 06:11.30 | Guerin | it's good to be home |
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| 06:14.01 | freeone3000 | I have sun-java5-jdk and sun-java5-jre at the current versions... so why does eclipse want gcj? |
| 06:14.54 | Tsop | cat: xfreeerror.terxt : no such file or directiory |
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| 06:17.58 | pagey007 | I can only open gtkam as root? |
| 06:18.13 | pagey007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.51 | ferguscan | Is there any standardised way to build debs from source with debugging symbols? |
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| 06:20.58 | stew | ferguscan: check debian/rules to see if it supports DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug |
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| 06:21.35 | Guerin | pagey007: use hal or hotplug or something to give you the right privileges |
| 06:21.49 | Guerin | pagey007: there are scripties out there for hotplug, this I know |
| 06:21.50 | Tsop | dabreegster, are u there |
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| 06:22.12 | dabreegster | Tsop: Yeah |
| 06:22.31 | Tsop | i can't paste that file to #flood |
| 06:22.40 | Guerin | Tsop: try harder |
| 06:22.59 | Guerin | Tsop: or put it on paster |
| 06:23.03 | dabreegster | Have you tried http://channels.debian.net/? |
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| 06:23.59 | davidinux | hi |
| 06:24.06 | tictac | blah. any ideas why a 4.2GB scsi disk would only register as a 1GB disk? |
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| 06:25.01 | Tsop | Guerin, i can't access paster! |
| 06:25.41 | Guerin | Tsop: whyever not? |
| 06:26.10 | tictac | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.12 | tictac | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.12 | Tsop | Guerin, because i don't have xwindows |
| 06:26.15 | tictac | whoops. |
| 06:26.35 | dabreegster | Tsop: There's lynx, links, links2, elinks, w3m. I'd recommend elinks. |
| 06:27.14 | Tsop | dabreegster, i m really n00be i don't know what are u talking about |
| 06:27.23 | Tsop | i am still learning |
| 06:27.31 | Tsop | so if you can help me |
| 06:28.09 | Guerin | i think sarge has lynx installed by default |
| 06:28.13 | Guerin | perhaps not |
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| 06:28.22 | dabreegster | Tsop: Sorry. OK, as root, apt-get install elinks assuming you have correct sources. Then run it, not as root. Go to the site and paste the error. If you don't already have gpm installed, apt-get that too and get familiar with it. It's for copying and pasting. |
| 06:29.37 | ofer0 | I want to download only one CD of debian in order to install debian and GNOME (the rest, apache, php, etc.. I can download using APT). Which CD should I download? http://ftp.belnet.be/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:29.46 | Tsop | what is the site address |
| 06:30.05 | dabreegster | Tsop: http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 06:30.20 | ferguscan | ofer0, just download a netinst CD and install the lot over the network. |
| 06:30.23 | dabreegster | ofer0: The netinstall one. |
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| 06:31.31 | ofer0 | It will take years to download GNOME from the internet, isn't it ? |
| 06:32.00 | dabreegster | ofer0: No. Even on dialup, it shouldn't take _that_ long. |
| 06:32.08 | davidinux | ofer0: nope, depends on your bandwidth |
| 06:32.10 | fireba11 | ofer0: it will be faster than downlaod the CD that got it ^^ |
| 06:32.20 | davidinux | ofer0 : anyway try to download debian netinst |
| 06:32.41 | ofer0 | It's not the same computer. This is ADSL 5Mb/s, and on the server im installing on we have ADSL 750Kb/s |
| 06:32.47 | davidinux | it is a minimal distro just to set network up and running...then you download dpkgs from apt source |
| 06:32.56 | davidinux | ofer0 : enough |
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| 06:34.34 | Tsop | dabreegster, i manage to get the elinks to work |
| 06:35.10 | dabreegster | Tsop: Awesome. You'll need gpm too. apt-get install gpm. You can use your mouse to copy and paste in the console with it. |
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| 06:36.08 | davidinux | ofer0 : http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:37.35 | ofer0 | davidinux, I think maybe it's better for me to install sarge, isn't it? It's a server we're talking about here |
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| 06:37.54 | simonrvn | ofer0: yes |
| 06:38.12 | davidinux | ofer0 : wich arch (i3b6, sparc...?) |
| 06:38.21 | ofer0 | i386 |
| 06:38.31 | ofer0 | http://ftp.belnet.be/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso, is that okay? |
| 06:38.50 | davidinux | yeah |
| 06:39.04 | davidinux | or follow links at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 06:39.31 | ofer0 | My employer wants to use the server also as a workstation, and install GNOME and additional graphical application on it. Is that a good idea? |
| 06:39.37 | dimi3 | I'm using kde 3.5.3 on debian unstable and whatever I run a GTK app in KDE, it's fonts are very nasty, it uses monospace or something like that, I want to change the font to something readable like sans, any ideas how? |
| 06:39.46 | Tsop | dabreegster, after i install gpm how would i use it with elinks |
| 06:40.21 | dabreegster | Tsop: First see if you can copy and paste stuff. Left click and hold, then highlight something, then paste it with right click. Make sure it works. Don't test it on IRC. |
| 06:40.25 | davidinux | ofer0 : I'm not gonna enter into the "fight" between gnome and kde |
| 06:40.39 | davidinux | ofer0 : personally I use blackbox...anyway KDE should be fine for end users |
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| 06:41.02 | dabreegster | Tsop: Once it works, copy your X log (or whatever it was you were trying to get us to see) and use elinks to go to the paste site, then paste it there. You might have to select the form in elinks first with enter, dunno if you're using an old version |
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| 06:41.58 | ofer0 | davidinux, I wasn't talking about whether to install GNOME or KDE. My question was if it is a good idea to use a server also as a workstation, since all the additional applications may cause a security risk |
| 06:42.21 | Tsop | dabreegster, well i guess i am having trouble with gpm , coz the mouse is not working |
| 06:42.24 | davidinux | ofer0 : my answer is no, it is not a good idea |
| 06:42.37 | ofer0 | davidinux, okay, thank you very much for all your help |
| 06:42.38 | davidinux | ofer0 : for a lot of reasons |
| 06:42.43 | dabreegster | Tsop: When you move your mouse, do you see a highlighted cursor onscreen? |
| 06:42.52 | Tsop | nope |
| 06:42.58 | davidinux | ofer0 : security holes, high load on server... |
| 06:43.08 | dabreegster | Tsop: Run dpkg-reconfigure gpm as root |
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| 06:43.22 | Tsop | dabreegster, it's a usb wireless mouse |
| 06:43.24 | ofer0 | davidinux, yes, I understand that. I just wanted to hear an advice from professionals. |
| 06:43.37 | davidinux | ofer0 : how many users and are they gonna use windows workstation into the LAN |
| 06:43.44 | dabreegster | Tsop: Hmm. I dunno if it'll see it. |
| 06:43.44 | davidinux | ? |
| 06:44.03 | Tsop | hold on let me put another mouse |
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| 06:44.39 | davidinux | ofer0 : and...what are you plannig to use your debian server for? |
| 06:45.34 | ofer0 | davidinux, it is going to be a mail server, file server, and workers are going to work on it using SSH from home |
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| 06:46.02 | ofer0 | davidinux, my job is to install it (that's why i chose debian), secure it and maintain it |
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| 06:47.06 | freeone3000 | I have sun-java5-jdk and sun-java5-jre at the current versions... so why does eclipse want gcj? |
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| 06:47.10 | ofer0 | davidinux, plus, our clients are going to have a small business website on it. something like 50MB on the hard drive, and 10GB bandwidth usage every month for each and every one of the 50-150 customers |
| 06:47.16 | davidinux | ofer0 : so it's not a buildserver...well just install samba and that's it |
| 06:47.35 | linolium | is there any simple way I can set bind to resolve xyz.com to 192.168.1.15 without editing 5 different configuration files? |
| 06:47.39 | ofer0 | davidinux, yeah, that's what we're planning to do |
| 06:47.46 | multi_io | when I choose "background this process to examine the situation", how can I resolve conflicts in the offending config file? Is the new version already in place by then? Will the file as I leave it when I foreground the apt process again be retained? |
| 06:47.49 | davidinux | ofer0 : samba to hide windows users that there's a linux file server in there |
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| 06:48.29 | multi_io | (i'm talking about the situation when apt-get updates a config file and detects conflicts) |
| 06:48.47 | ofer0 | davidinux, I had troubles installing the network device in the new motherboard we bought, Asus A5N8X |
| 06:49.09 | davidinux | ofer0 : I had that nightmare :) |
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| 06:49.43 | ofer0 | davidinux, I don't understand why this doesn't work right out of the box, because I have the previous board, A7N8X, and debian installed the network card and loaded the module on itself |
| 06:50.01 | davidinux | ofer0 : do you know the name of the right module to load into the kernel? |
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| 06:50.33 | davidinux | ofer0 : if you don't know yet, when netinst boot and installs base packages, just hit Alt-F2 and log in as root |
| 06:50.47 | ofer0 | davidinux, I see. and then what? |
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| 06:50.56 | simonrvn | multi_io: 1) dpkg does that 2) no, it's waiting on your decision to place the new one in and mv yours aside, keep yours and place the new one aside, or other |
| 06:51.14 | davidinux | ofer0 : then digit lspci or, if this utility is not present, just digit "cat /proc/pci" |
| 06:51.45 | davidinux | ofer0 : look for netkwor card, then search ongoogle which is the linux module to load in |
| 06:51.56 | davidinux | ofer0 : then, as root, modprobe "modulename" |
| 06:52.05 | simonrvn | 'digit'? |
| 06:52.15 | ofer0 | davidinux, yeah, thanks. I wrote it down |
| 06:52.22 | davidinux | ofer0 : this is step one |
| 06:52.30 | multi_io | simonrvn: 1) ok 2) I'm talking about the case where I choose "background this process to examine the situation" |
| 06:52.37 | davidinux | ofer0 : step two, config your network device IP address |
| 06:52.42 | simonrvn | doesn't change what i said |
| 06:52.46 | davidinux | ofer0 : man ifconfig |
| 06:53.02 | ofer0 | davidinux, yeah. now how do I add the module for good ? |
| 06:53.20 | ofer0 | davidinux, I mean, I don't want to modprobe it every reboot |
| 06:53.33 | simonrvn | stick it in /etc/modules |
| 06:53.34 | davidinux | ofer0 : your network card module should already be present into netinst installation |
| 06:53.34 | multi_io | simonrvn: so, what is the answer to my question? :) |
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| 06:54.04 | simonrvn | re-read please |
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| 06:54.28 | davidinux | ofer0 : simply edit /etc/modules and add module name at the end of this file |
| 06:55.05 | simonrvn | multi_io: do you need me to clarify it, or are you ok? |
| 06:55.14 | davidinux | ofer0 : this should work fine...read anyway some howto 'cause info I'm giving you right now are just the short path to the "linux heaven" |
| 06:55.19 | davidinux | ofer0 : :-) |
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| 06:56.35 | multi_io | simonrvn: I think I found the answer by trial and error now |
| 06:56.50 | multi_io | still, the UI is confusing at best |
| 06:57.11 | ofer0 | davidinux, thank you very much. I talken to my employer and he wants me there already to install his new debian server |
| 06:57.30 | ofer0 | davidinux, have a nice day :) |
| 06:57.37 | ofer0 | thank you all, good bye |
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| 06:58.15 | simonrvn | still new to it? often the manual helps a lot, if you're a bit more aware of things. sometimes those things are just as confusing... experimentation helps as you see ;) |
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| 07:00.39 | ufk | how can i change the default window manager? |
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| 07:06.05 | simonrvn | update-alternatives |
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| 07:07.28 | MoDaX | ufk: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 07:07.47 | ufk | thanks alot |
| 07:10.30 | GecKo` | What are peoples motherboard monitoring program of choice? |
| 07:11.27 | Guerin | GecKo`: eyeometer |
| 07:11.39 | Guerin | GecKo`: smoke bad, no smoke good |
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| 07:12.28 | MoDaX | GecKo`: you need at least lm-sensors for that |
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| 07:20.05 | GecKo` | MoDaX: yep, just got that, churs. |
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| 07:23.21 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 07:24.24 | pagey007 | hello |
| 07:24.55 | [Nige] | i deleted some files...are they gone? |
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| 07:25.54 | davidinux_busy | [Nige] : if you have ext3 forget them :) |
| 07:26.08 | [Nige] | yer ext3 is type 83 right? |
| 07:26.36 | davidinux_busy | if ou wanna make sure just give "mount" as root and look for filesystem type |
| 07:27.06 | davidinux_busy | if you deleted files on an ext2 fs you can try to download an undelete utility |
| 07:27.09 | davidinux_busy | there are some |
| 07:27.13 | davidinux_busy | apt-cache serahc undelete |
| 07:27.20 | [Nige] | i have just unmounted the volue |
| 07:27.21 | davidinux_busy | apt-cache search undelete |
| 07:27.25 | [Nige] | so it wont be written too |
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| 07:27.55 | davidinux_busy | k so check into /etc/fstab for fs type of the partition you've just unmounted |
| 07:27.58 | peterS | [Nige]: partition types rarely matter much, but sure |
| 07:28.12 | peterS | [Nige]: 83 is as good as any, and won't confuse your other OSes |
| 07:28.16 | [Nige] | looking at recover |
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| 07:28.28 | [Nige] | hmm okay |
| 07:28.35 | davidinux_busy | gotta go, coffee time |
| 07:28.41 | davidinux_busy | back in some mins |
| 07:29.22 | peterS | partition types matter (a) for partitions MS-DOS or MS-Windows need to use, (b) to identify an extended partition, (c) to identify an LVM PV, and (d) to identify a raid partition. I think that's about it. |
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| 07:29.32 | [Nige] | yep |
| 07:29.33 | [Nige] | okay |
| 07:30.02 | peterS | well and some processes (like debian-installer) try to auto-guess your swap partitions and make them available if they're type 82. but that's a minor point. |
| 07:30.31 | [Nige] | i have rebooted the box too thats probably a bad thing... |
| 07:31.04 | Tsop | where can i read more about /exec -msg |
| 07:32.34 | ic3man05 | I have eth0 to a static ip address but its not starting at boot, I have to do ifup eth0 to start it. interface file is allow-hotplug should I change this to auto instead? |
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| 07:34.08 | brownie17 | i'm trying to use the "mail-notifier" program to check my GMAIL account, and for some reason even though i have the right username and password put in, it always says login failed |
| 07:34.14 | insmod | ic3man05: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add auto |
| 07:34.27 | unix_infidel | anyone know if i can have two seperate mice with two seperate cursors using xorg? |
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| 07:34.51 | insmod | unix_infidel: ya |
| 07:35.09 | insmod | unix_infidel: why know idea but ya |
| 07:35.18 | unix_infidel | insmod: xorg.conf just add a second section that points to a second node that udev created? |
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| 07:35.39 | unix_infidel | insmod: pure novelty i suppose :) |
| 07:36.04 | eleusis | hello |
| 07:36.10 | unix_infidel | insmod: got a url on how to? |
| 07:36.22 | insmod | unix_infidel: same way that you add another moitor |
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| 07:36.34 | unix_infidel | insmod: alright ill give it another go. |
| 07:36.41 | insmod | monitor |
| 07:37.09 | eleusis | anyone here familiar with the new python packaging policy? |
| 07:37.20 | eleusis | i'm having trouble using an installed python module.. |
| 07:37.25 | eleusis | http://rafb.net/paste/results/IwrS8h40.html |
| 07:37.39 | unix_infidel | insmod: how do i tell which mice is associated with which node? |
| 07:38.00 | unix_infidel | nvm... |
| 07:38.07 | Tsop | guys i am stuck , trying to paste a file in the #flood but i keep getting error |
| 07:38.18 | Tsop | will someone help me pleae |
| 07:38.35 | insmod | unix_infidel: edit xorg or xfree and aset it too something |
| 07:38.53 | [Nige] | looks like I actually backed things up |
| 07:38.54 | [Nige] | :> |
| 07:38.58 | eleusis | Tsop: what's the problem? |
| 07:38.59 | [Nige] | :):):):):):):) |
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| 07:40.17 | Tsop | ElectricElf, i'm trying to paste the out put of a command in the #flood using /exec -msg #flood cat filename but i keep getting no such file or folder |
| 07:40.26 | peterS | Tsop: usually easier to use a paste site these days |
| 07:40.29 | peterS | !tell tsop -about paster |
| 07:40.37 | cydork | Tsop: use pastebin |
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| 07:41.07 | netdaemon | pastebin is rather handy |
| 07:41.09 | unix_infidel | insmod: didnt work, adding a second section didnt work. |
| 07:41.11 | simonrvn | /exec -o cat /path/foo |
| 07:41.26 | Tsop | petemc, i couldn't get gpm to work with MS wireless keyboad/mouse |
| 07:41.40 | insmod | unix_infidel: then you did it wromg |
| 07:41.43 | insmod | unix_infidel: then you did it wrong |
| 07:42.30 | brownie17 | is anyone using a gmail account here able to use either the kcheckgmail or the mail-notification to check their emails!? |
| 07:42.45 | cydork | unix_infidel: i guess you have to add input_device to section serverlayout too |
| 07:42.52 | unix_infidel | insmod: i'm pretty sure i didnt. |
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| 07:43.00 | unix_infidel | cydork: that didnt work either |
| 07:43.05 | unix_infidel | http://rafb.net/paste/results/cq9OlB20.html |
| 07:43.08 | unix_infidel | pertinent sections here. |
| 07:43.30 | eleusis | never mind, new python-support fixes it |
| 07:43.32 | Tsop | simonrvn, didn't work too |
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| 07:43.54 | simonrvn | not all clients do that... *shrug* |
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| 07:44.39 | insmod | unix_infidel: you have to add all sections -- like you would a monitor |
| 07:45.03 | unix_infidel | add all sections? |
| 07:45.38 | insmod | anyone burn avi files or dvd ? |
| 07:45.53 | unix_infidel | wtf? |
| 07:46.12 | insmod | unix_infidel: ya it's just as hard as setting dual monitor |
| 07:46.21 | unix_infidel | insmod: i've never setup dual head before. |
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| 07:46.44 | insmod | unix_infidel: :) |
| 07:47.35 | unix_infidel | insmod: but still all sections makes no sense to me. |
| 07:47.36 | insmod | unix_infidel: well now you do a dual mouse |
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| 07:48.23 | insmod | unix_infidel: for each screen the mouse input neads ajust |
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| 07:48.43 | vaggie | How do i remove packages from be installed (need to run apt-get -f install) but i dont wanna install those packages.. How can i empty the queue? |
| 07:48.50 | unix_infidel | insmod: you're still not making any sense. |
| 07:49.05 | unix_infidel | this isnt dual head...this is TWO mice on ONE screen. |
| 07:49.24 | unix_infidel | "for each screen"....still makes no sense. |
| 07:49.46 | Tsop | dpkg-reconfiguer xserver-xfree86 this is a right command |
| 07:49.57 | insmod | unix_infidel: gah each ident is going to a screen you need a new ident to the same screen |
| 07:50.14 | simonrvn | for sarge yes, except you need to spell it correctly ;) |
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| 07:53.27 | linolium | has anyone used dnsmasq? |
| 07:54.27 | cat | !fasttrack |
| 07:54.27 | dpkg | The FastTrack plugin isn't available in debian. Sid debs are available at http://hal.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/debian/gift/ |
| 07:54.48 | cydork | insmod: i still think you just need a different input device entry and add that device to the screen layout. |
| 07:55.10 | cydork | insmod: i read that somewhere on gentoo site. |
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| 07:55.39 | cydork | unix_infidel: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons#Multiple_Mice_Support |
| 07:56.17 | unix_infidel | cydork: gracias |
| 07:57.27 | unix_infidel | cydork: gonna give it a go....brb. |
| 07:57.28 | tarzeau | can't i have openoffice 1 AND openoffice 2 installed concurrently? |
| 07:57.49 | tarzeau | the www.backports.org one doesn't seem to be installable concurrently with the 1 version |
| 07:57.52 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 07:57.55 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:58.06 | MoDaX | tarzeau: get ooo 1 from openoffice.org |
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| 07:58.45 | wols | !tell linolium about anyone |
| 07:59.37 | unix_infidel | cydork: does the multiple mouse config REQUIRE evdev? |
| 07:59.56 | tarzeau | MoDaX: you mean install backport and 1 from ooo? why not the sarge 1 and ooo2 from openoffice.org ? |
| 08:00.13 | linolium | yes, err, I'm trying to get dnsmasq to read my /etc/hosts file which maps "blah" to 192.168.1.50 and have computers using that nameserver resolve blah to 192.168.1.50, but it doens't seem to be working? |
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| 08:01.09 | dooglus | how can I run a memtest? |
| 08:01.31 | wols | linolium: has nothing to do with dnsmasq, more wizth nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf |
| 08:01.37 | MoDaX | tarzeau: it does not matter. use one OOo from debian and one from openoffice.org or both from openoffice.org. However, you can't use both from debian |
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| 08:01.45 | MoDaX | dooglus: install memtest86 |
| 08:01.50 | dooglus | thanks |
| 08:01.51 | tarzeau | dooglus: memtest all |
| 08:01.52 | wols | dnsmasq does it out of the box normally |
| 08:02.04 | tarzeau | MoDaX: thanks... i'll try that |
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| 08:02.31 | cydork | unix_infidel: I dont think so. |
| 08:02.37 | brownie17 | does anyone know wy kcheckgmail is not able to access my gmail account? it says invalid username or password when i've quadruple checked and they are correct |
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| 08:02.41 | hesco | There is a project called memtest86 which publishes a CD which will exercise the memory in many ways, but the engineers I know who know about this say even those are not exhaustive |
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| 08:02.55 | wols | brownie17: wrong port/protocol? |
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| 08:03.23 | wols | hesco: but the best unless you can get a hardware memeory tester. which cost 10k$ |
| 08:03.43 | cydork | unix_infidel: NO i was wrong |
| 08:03.48 | brownie17 | wols, are you familiar with the program? it's tiny and there are no real customisable options in the preferences panel relating to port or protocol, but it is designed to check GMAIL and i'm using GMAIL, so i don't see why there might be possible conflicting ports or protocols. |
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| 08:04.16 | wols | brownie17: no I don't. I only remember my problems with gmail :) |
| 08:04.43 | unix_infidel | cydork: were wrong? |
| 08:04.45 | unix_infidel | it requires evdev? |
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| 08:04.58 | brownie17 | wols, what problems were those? i've found it great so far. much better than hotmail |
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| 08:05.05 | cydork | unix_infidel: yep. |
| 08:05.29 | unix_infidel | brb again :) |
| 08:05.46 | wols | that its picky about ports, encryption and the like. anything is better than hotmail, that's no feather in the cap |
| 08:06.14 | evilgeek | this is a completely random, off-topic question, but does Stephen van den Berg (the guy who wrote procmail and smartlist) still alive? |
| 08:06.20 | evilgeek | s/does/is/p |
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| 08:07.41 | unix_infidel | cydork: nope, still didnt work. startx it putting out some errors about preinit and the input devices being ull. |
| 08:07.44 | unix_infidel | null* |
| 08:07.48 | dooglus | tarzeau: "memtest all"? really? memtest isn't in my path |
| 08:07.48 | unix_infidel | however if i cat their output they work fine. |
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| 08:08.20 | Tsop | anyone well to help me setup xwindows for debian 3.1 |
| 08:08.24 | tarzeau | dooglus: there's at least 3 memtest tools for debian |
| 08:08.26 | wols | dooglus: you need to reboot for memtest. it doesn't run under linux |
| 08:08.30 | tarzeau | dooglus: you didn't say WHICH one you have |
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| 08:08.37 | tarzeau | wols: no you don't NEED to |
| 08:08.40 | tarzeau | wols: but you CAN |
| 08:08.47 | dooglus | tarzeau: I installed memtest86 and memtest86+ |
| 08:08.51 | tarzeau | wols: the memtest you mean is for x86 only |
| 08:09.04 | dooglus | wols: so why it tarzeau giving me a command line to run it? |
| 08:09.07 | tarzeau | dooglus: i was talking of the portable memtest that helped me once on a UltraSPARC |
| 08:09.14 | tarzeau | dooglus: because it exists |
| 08:09.21 | dooglus | oh, I see. I have an Intel P4 |
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| 08:09.26 | tarzeau | dooglus: and you didn't specify WHICH memtest you're talking about |
| 08:09.36 | tarzeau | dooglus: the portable one also works on Intel P4 without reboots |
| 08:09.41 | dooglus | so how do I get it to run at boot (using lilo)? |
| 08:09.53 | tarzeau | dooglus: the one i talk about you run in the commandline as root |
| 08:09.56 | tarzeau | dooglus: without reboots |
| 08:09.57 | dooglus | is it an 'image=' or an 'other='? |
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| 08:10.49 | dooglus | tarzeau: which one are you talking about? |
| 08:11.23 | cydork | unix_infidel: To support multiple mouse devices, one of those devices has to be identified as CorePointer while others are set to AlwaysCore |
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| 08:11.33 | brownie17 | can someone tell me how i can fix this error: "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!" |
| 08:11.35 | unix_infidel | cydork: i did that. |
| 08:11.37 | unix_infidel | in the ServerLayout section |
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| 08:12.22 | cydork | unix_infidel: I am out of ideas :P |
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| 08:12.33 | tarzeau | dooglus: package sysutils, /usr/sbin/memtest |
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| 08:13.12 | brownie17 | does anyone know what "Qt" is and what it does? |
| 08:13.18 | unix_infidel | cydork: yea the guys in #xorg are all dead for some reason. |
| 08:13.21 | dooglus | tarzeau: ok, thanks |
| 08:13.22 | blondie | yes |
| 08:13.34 | cast | brownie17: check wikipedia, its a gui toolkit afaik |
| 08:13.40 | Tsop | anyone well to help me setup xwindows for debian 3.1 please |
| 08:14.01 | reco | i am running debian sarge on my vm ware. when i apt-get upgrade it intalles the same kernel again and renders my machine unusabe after restart. |
| 08:14.02 | GecKo` | If I dpkg -i a .deb file I downloaded myself, will it still get all the files it depends on automatically? |
| 08:14.03 | brownie17 | cast, is it in the repos? |
| 08:14.04 | tarzeau | !xwindows |
| 08:14.04 | dpkg | [xwindows] NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 08:14.07 | GecKo` | rather than if I apt-get'd it? |
| 08:14.10 | reco | i have no special sources all stable |
| 08:14.26 | cast | brownie17: yes, aptitude search qt |
| 08:14.55 | cast | GecKo`: dpkg wont, apt-get will |
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| 08:15.27 | tarzeau | MoDaX: fucking piece of shit! |
| 08:15.34 | GecKo` | cast: k |
| 08:15.34 | GecKo` | thx |
| 08:15.45 | tarzeau | MoDaX: i download OOo_2.0.3_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz and all i get is no binires but tons of RPM files!!!! |
| 08:15.58 | tarzeau | WHAT TEH HOLY FUCK RETARDED |
| 08:16.01 | cast | Tsop: something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is how i reconfigure X |
| 08:16.29 | cast | tarzeau: why not grab ooo from backports.org? |
| 08:16.33 | tarzeau | they at least could call it REDHAT-ONLY.tar.gz |
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| 08:16.41 | Tsop | reco, apt-get install kernel-image |
| 08:16.43 | tarzeau | cast: because i need it concurrently with OOo1 |
| 08:17.01 | Tsop | cast, i did that but i get error |
| 08:17.23 | reco | now i have to choose one ;( |
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| 08:17.56 | Tsop | reco, what is ur current kernel...to find our do "uname -r" |
| 08:18.03 | cast | tarzeau: ahhh, not sure how to make aptitude/dpkg install things to an arbitary path :\ |
| 08:18.18 | MoDaX | tarzeau: you can use alien. or some debs are available at ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/ |
| 08:18.20 | reco | Tsop: 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 08:19.06 | Tsop | reco, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 08:19.14 | hesco | dooglas: I seem to remember that memtest86 is included on the Ultimate Boot Compact Disk (UBCD) |
| 08:19.27 | reco | Tsop: thanx man |
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| 08:19.33 | Tsop | reco, Opps wait man , i'm noobe better check with one of the pro's here |
| 08:19.50 | reco | hmm |
| 08:19.56 | tarzeau | cast: i've got some tool without the post/pre scripts though |
| 08:20.05 | tarzeau | cast: however that's not gonna work with monster software like oo |
| 08:20.13 | tarzeau | MoDaX: NO, i will NOT do that |
| 08:20.16 | sep | !2.4->2.6 |
| 08:20.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2.4->2.6 is easy - just "apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6" (linux-image in etch and sid, use your favorite apt front-end) and install the relevant package for your CPU(s). |
| 08:20.32 | MoDaX | tarzeau: what? |
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| 08:20.39 | tarzeau | MoDaX: i'm going to rebuild ooo2 backports with renamed package names/paths |
| 08:20.49 | sep | reco have you installed vmware-tools ? |
| 08:21.02 | reco | yes |
| 08:21.41 | MoDaX | tarzeau: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/2.0.3-RC7 has the same stuff (rpms) repackaged as debs |
| 08:21.46 | sep | reco, vmware tools installed kernel modules, both the 2.4 .o and the 2.6 .ko versions into your running kernels /lib/modules/ tree. effectivly breaking the mkinitrd script |
| 08:21.54 | Tsop | cast, i get it's not installed |
| 08:22.07 | MoDaX | tarzeau: even in your native language :) |
| 08:22.20 | tarzeau | MoDaX: you don't know my native language, do you? |
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| 08:22.25 | reco | sep: sorry but that meens? |
| 08:22.25 | sep | reco, you must remove the .ko files from the 2.4 tree or the .o files from the 2.6 tree and recreate the initrd using dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-version |
| 08:22.28 | MoDaX | tarzeau: no |
| 08:22.44 | tarzeau | MoDaX: then how can you say it's there in my native language? =) |
| 08:22.47 | brownie17 | cast, qt is installed according to synaptic, but i'm still getting an error when i try to configure this package |
| 08:22.48 | sep | reco, means initrd fail to work properly and you cant boot |
| 08:23.10 | cast | brownie17: you mean run ./configure? |
| 08:23.14 | sep | reco, look in /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-686/misc |
| 08:23.19 | MoDaX | tarzeau: because you can get localized ooo build from there |
| 08:23.35 | cydork | brownie17 : paste the error somewhere. |
| 08:23.47 | reco | sep: there i have: vmhgfs.ko vmhgfs.o vmxnet.ko vmxnet.o |
| 08:23.48 | tarzeau | MoDaX: no turkish there... |
| 08:24.04 | sep | reco, yes remove the ones that dont belong |
| 08:24.11 | cast | Tsop: so have you installed X? |
| 08:24.20 | MoDaX | tarzeau: heh |
| 08:24.34 | brownie17 | cast, cydork, checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 08:24.44 | brownie17 | cast, yes, ./configure. sorry for being vague |
| 08:24.52 | cast | brownie17: need the -dev pkgs probably |
| 08:25.07 | MoDaX | brownie17: install libqt3-mt-dev |
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| 08:25.23 | reco | sep there is no ./2.6.8-3-686/misc dirs |
| 08:25.26 | tarzeau | MoDaX: these can't be installed concurrently along ooo1! |
| 08:25.44 | sep | reco you havent installed vmware while running that kernel yet i assume |
| 08:25.48 | brownie17 | MoDaX, there is no "libqt3-mt-dev". there is a "libqt3-dev". should i install that? |
| 08:25.50 | Tsop | cast, apt-get install xfree86 , E: couldn't find package xfree86 |
| 08:26.14 | reco | sep: ok sould i reinstall the vmtools? |
| 08:26.17 | cast | Tsop: i'd install x-window-system-core and a window manager |
| 08:26.26 | tarzeau | MoDaX: or well they can, but the package names are strangely looking like the 1 ones |
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| 08:26.42 | sep | reco, not on the current runnig kernel. and you only need to run the vmware-config.pl script |
| 08:26.45 | Tsop | cast, will u help me please do that , i have debian 3.1 |
| 08:26.49 | MoDaX | tarzeau: hem, all right. you may be right. I recall, OOo 1 had a setup. so you OOo 2 as debs and install OOo 1 with setup |
| 08:26.53 | wols | !set up x |
| 08:26.54 | dpkg | set up x is, like, First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 08:27.02 | sep | but you shoudl recrete the initrd that broke when you upgradede your current running kernel |
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| 08:27.04 | cast | Tsop: no, i habe work to do outside. |
| 08:27.06 | cast | later all |
| 08:27.11 | tarzeau | MoDaX: it worked, installs to /opt/openoffice.org2.0 |
| 08:27.39 | wols | Tsop: simply apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 08:28.25 | Tsop | wols, same E: couldn't find package |
| 08:28.50 | wols | paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 08:28.51 | Tsop | wols, nm , i miss spell it |
| 08:28.59 | Tsop | lol |
| 08:29.09 | sep | reco, and after upgrading to 2.6 and vmware-config.pl you should have a misc for that kernel too, with the .o filse for 2.4 that you should remove |
| 08:29.16 | reco | sep: i did run that, no output can i restart? |
| 08:29.40 | sep | if 'that' = dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686 the yes |
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| 08:30.21 | reco | sep thanx yes. so after restart o upgrade vmware-config.pl and i will remove the 2.4 o files |
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| 08:31.11 | sep | reco, yes, they do no harm untill you need to recreate your 2.6 initrd tho, but i like to keep it sane anyway |
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| 08:31.26 | rohan | !current alsa fix |
| 08:31.26 | dpkg | wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/libasound2_1.0.11-4_$(dpkg --print-architecture).deb |
| 08:31.45 | rohan | oh, no fix for "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils: Error: No amixer program available." ? |
| 08:32.27 | sep | rohan, tried installnig alsamixer ? |
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| 08:32.46 | rohan | E: Couldn't find package alsamixer |
| 08:32.55 | rohan | and, that program is installed |
| 08:33.06 | rohan | :o |
| 08:33.07 | rohan | wtf |
| 08:33.10 | blaamann | Where do I find the deb source packges in a repository tree (I am looking for the lame source packages from Marillat) ? |
| 08:34.08 | Tsop | wols, i did that and install it, now when i startx i get the screen with a "X" in the center and nothing else no mouse no response at all ? |
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| 08:34.21 | reco | sep: i dont find vmware-config.pl but vmware-config-tools.pl |
| 08:34.23 | reco | is that the one? |
| 08:34.42 | rohan_ | sorry |
| 08:34.44 | rohan_ | was disconnected |
| 08:34.45 | rohan_ | any reply ? |
| 08:34.48 | rohan_ | what the hell |
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| 08:35.00 | brownie17 | cast, MoDaX, how do i get thread support for QT |
| 08:35.51 | tarzeau | when gets etch released? |
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| 08:36.27 | reco | when i run: vmware-config-tools.pl it need a C-compiler which i do not have, back to snapshot right? |
| 08:36.48 | blaamann | tarzeau: At the end of 2006 AFAIK |
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| 08:37.20 | Tsop | wols, i have Xfree86.0.log in #flood |
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| 08:38.08 | sep | reco, yes |
| 08:38.27 | MoDaX | brownie17: it's libqt3-mt-dev |
| 08:38.28 | unix_infidel | cydork: yea, i've discovered its impossible with xorg. |
| 08:38.30 | unix_infidel | you need to use mpx. |
| 08:38.34 | sep | reco, the vmware-tools dont have precompiled modules for debian sarge's 2.6 kernels |
| 08:38.57 | reco | sep: ok thanx. but which compiler should i install? |
| 08:39.00 | sep | reco, so you must compile them |
| 08:39.03 | cydork | unix_infidel : mpx?? |
| 08:39.06 | sep | reco, install build-essentials |
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| 08:39.14 | unix_infidel | cydork: multiple pointer X server. |
| 08:39.28 | unix_infidel | its totally asinine. |
| 08:39.41 | sep | reco, i have a spesific vm machine i do all vmware tools compilations on, then i package the modules and install them on my other vmwares as .deb's |
| 08:39.47 | GecKo` | What user is apache2 running as normally? nobody? |
| 08:39.59 | sep | since i dont like having lots of redundant packages installed all over |
| 08:40.03 | sep | GecKo`, www-data |
| 08:40.04 | wols | GecKo`: www-data |
| 08:40.19 | GecKo` | thx :> |
| 08:40.55 | cydork | unix_infidel : oh got it. |
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| 08:41.07 | reco | apt-get install build-essential did not install any new stuff |
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| 08:42.53 | reco | sep: apt-get install build-essential, did not install anything new |
| 08:43.48 | Timtow | my pop server quit working, how do I check it? |
| 08:44.28 | sep | reco, then i guess you need a different version compiler adn the full error messages of vmware-tools-config should tell you |
| 08:45.36 | sep | Timtow, is it listning ? netstat -plont | grep 110 ? restart it /etc/init.d/[whatever pop deamon or inetd] restart , test it with telnet ip 110 |
| 08:46.07 | Timtow | nope not listening |
| 08:46.26 | brownie17 | can someone tell me what this error means when trying to "./configure" something? "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!" |
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| 08:49.02 | Timtow | I'm using postfix, is that the pop3 daemon? |
| 08:49.21 | reco | sep: i just installed the new kernel and ran dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 08:49.37 | reco | is there no way of installing the tools before i restart? |
| 08:50.05 | Timtow | no, wait I'm using courier/pop3 |
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| 08:51.54 | Timtow | ah, cool...I accidentally did aptitude on a bunch of stuff, so I just had to reinstall the courier packages.. |
| 08:51.56 | Timtow | :D |
| 08:52.15 | Timtow | what's a good simple/easy to maintain ftp server? |
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| 08:52.22 | reco | sep: None of the pre-build vmhgfs modules for VMware Tools is suitable for you rrunning kernel. it askes me if it should try to build one. should i? |
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| 08:52.39 | jnjb | hello |
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| 08:53.20 | sep | reco, i do |
| 08:54.11 | reco | sep: now it askes me where my c header files from the running kernel are |
| 08:54.11 | sep | reco, no you must be on the running kernel. that's why i have a vm for doing such things |
| 08:54.12 | jnjb | someone had use the etch installer |
| 08:54.12 | reco | i am on the running kernel |
| 08:54.12 | sep | recko install the kernel-headers-$(uname-r) or something |
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| 08:55.10 | jnjb | i have found this less good than his of sarge |
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| 08:55.47 | brammator | i have 2 hdd with similar named lvm2 vg. how to merge them without data loss? |
| 08:55.52 | wols | Timtow: vsftpd |
| 08:55.57 | brownie17 | all your base are belong to me |
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| 08:57.06 | reco | sei am trying thanx |
| 08:57.10 | radone | My firewall blocks finger service (on localhost works greate). Please, could anyone point me what should I do? |
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| 08:58.44 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 08:58.51 | MarkH_UK | I'm trying to get unrar for sarge |
| 08:58.53 | MarkH_UK | anyone help |
| 08:59.00 | MarkH_UK | i;m trying: apt-get install unrar |
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| 08:59.02 | MarkH_UK | but it wont work |
| 08:59.28 | jnjb | in contrib repository MarkH_UK |
| 08:59.35 | dandybestia | radone: open the port used by finger |
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| 09:00.00 | MarkH_UK | uymm |
| 09:00.00 | MarkH_UK | I want todo it via apt-get install |
| 09:00.00 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 09:00.03 | cydork | MarkH_UK : i guess the you dont have all the repositories |
| 09:00.11 | blaamann | MarkH_UK: Try Marillat |
| 09:00.13 | MarkH_UK | cydork how can i update? |
| 09:00.17 | cydork | MarkH_UK : it should be in non-free |
| 09:00.19 | MarkH_UK | Marillat? |
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| 09:00.52 | niru | Any help can I get for LSB |
| 09:00.52 | brownie17 | can someone tell me what this error means when trying to "./configure" something? "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!" |
| 09:00.55 | blaamann | MarkH_UK: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 09:01.22 | dandybestia | brownie17: do you have the KDE dev packages installed? |
| 09:01.29 | radone | dandybestia: well, that is the problem, I have absolutely no idea which port and how to open this port. Could you point me please? |
| 09:01.34 | brownie17 | MarkH_UK, get contrib marillat and non-free and it will work |
| 09:01.47 | brownie17 | dandybestia, i don't know. can you be more specific on which ones? |
| 09:01.48 | jnjb | non marillat non-free |
| 09:01.56 | dandybestia | radone: look in /etc/services, should be 79 |
| 09:01.57 | MarkH_UK | eh? |
| 09:02.29 | streuner | brownie17: run '/configure --help' |
| 09:02.48 | streuner | brownie17: what app do you want compile anyway? |
| 09:02.52 | blaamann | MarkH_UK: Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main |
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| 09:03.48 | streuner | brownie17: ./configure --help , of course ;-) |
| 09:03.50 | dandybestia | MarkH_UK: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=unrar&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 09:04.00 | radone | thanks, it is already port 79. Please could you point me how can I open this port - on my machine is script with firewall configuration that contains about 250 lines |
| 09:04.18 | MarkH_UK | I've added that blaamann |
| 09:04.24 | MarkH_UK | but it still won't install unrar. |
| 09:04.50 | dandybestia | radone: sorry, but i've only used Firestarter as firewall in the past |
| 09:04.57 | christor | Hi , I have a prob with my webiste to display pic. Someone is awaure about thiis error : http://rosentest.dnsalias.com/images/textura.jpg on Firefox? |
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| 09:05.34 | radone | ok, thanks |
| 09:05.36 | wols | christor: the jpg itself has errors |
| 09:05.46 | citral | christor: the jpeg is corrupt |
| 09:05.56 | blaamann | MarkH_UK: Did you run 'apt-get update' first ? |
| 09:05.59 | MarkH_UK | yea |
| 09:06.00 | Fox | christor: it doesn't work better with internet explorer... |
| 09:06.13 | MarkH_UK | Reading Package Lists... Done |
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| 09:06.21 | christor | Fox: yes I know but in IE there is no message |
| 09:06.29 | MarkH_UK | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:06.39 | wols | MarkH_UK: unrar is in contrib |
| 09:06.50 | Fox | christor: because IE is dumb |
| 09:06.52 | peterS | it isn't sporting to make IE misbehave |
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| 09:07.03 | wols | oops. non-free, not contrib: 500 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages |
| 09:07.16 | wols | peterS: but it's SO EASY! |
| 09:07.18 | christor | wols: it s stange because oI can open the pic with gimp, photoshop, windows... |
| 09:07.23 | peterS | wols: that's why it isn't sporting |
| 09:07.37 | MarkH_UK | wols..... |
| 09:07.43 | reco | sep: thanx you are the kink |
| 09:07.45 | reco | king |
| 09:07.47 | MarkH_UK | so how do i get it with apt-get install unrar? |
| 09:07.58 | wols | MarkH_UK: add non-free to your sources.list |
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| 09:08.37 | sep | reco, noproblem, wish vmware would clean up their vmware-tools installation :) |
| 09:08.37 | wols | christor: download the pic via wget, then compare it with the "original" on disk to see if apache messes with it somehow |
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| 09:08.58 | radone | If I got message 'finger: connect: Connection refused' Does it means that it is blocking firewall? How can I check this? |
| 09:09.17 | MarkH_UK | wols so: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages |
| 09:09.18 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 09:09.25 | wols | radone: only if a fingerd is running and it's still refused.then it can be a firewall |
| 09:09.33 | blaamann | MarkH_UK: My mistake, unrar is not in Marillat, sorry, but you can find it here http://tinyurl.com/eknsk |
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| 09:09.37 | wols | MarkH_UK: are you running unstable? |
| 09:09.41 | MarkH_UK | 3.1 |
| 09:09.46 | wols | then it's stable |
| 09:09.54 | Eclipser | win3.1? :) |
| 09:10.11 | cydork | MarkH_UK : deb ftp://ftp.debian.org stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:10.32 | wols | christor: he already has a line for main, don't make him add one |
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| 09:10.40 | reco | sep: when i run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade it fetches the kernalheaders again for 2.4 and 2.8 |
| 09:10.45 | wols | erm, cydork |
| 09:10.56 | GecKo` | hrm, what's the easiest way to find out if my kernel is usb capable? |
| 09:11.02 | reco | the same version of the 2.6.8 i installed before |
| 09:11.04 | MarkH_UK | still wont install |
| 09:11.07 | MarkH_UK | :S |
| 09:11.13 | wols | GecKo`: is it a debian kernel? |
| 09:11.19 | MarkH_UK | Get:2 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/contrib Release [100B] |
| 09:11.20 | MarkH_UK | Get:3 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/non-free Sources [23.5kB] |
| 09:11.31 | MarkH_UK | and the apt-get install unrar wont install it |
| 09:11.33 | MarkH_UK | same issue |
| 09:11.34 | wols | MarkH_UK: sources != release |
| 09:12.18 | GecKo` | wols: yes |
| 09:12.24 | wols | GecKo`: then you have usb support |
| 09:12.27 | GecKo` | amen |
| 09:12.33 | wols | if it's a 2.4 or later kernel that is |
| 09:12.53 | MarkH_UK | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' |
| 09:12.56 | GecKo` | 2.6.8-3-k7-smp |
| 09:13.30 | reco | is there a debian package for NPTL 2.3.6 install on debian? i cannot find one :( thanx |
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| 09:14.03 | MarkH_UK | woooo, now it works |
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| 09:14.16 | MarkH_UK | thx all |
| 09:14.20 | dandybestia | reco: mmh, libc6-i686 |
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| 09:15.39 | dooglus | I just ran memtest86 and memtest86+ for 15 minutes each. they found no errors, yet unstable is still locking up about once an hour when I do a lot of 'smbfs' traffic. any ideas how to start tracking down the bug? |
| 09:15.49 | reco | dandybestia: tanx |
| 09:15.50 | reco | thanx |
| 09:16.04 | dooglus | kern.log is full of smb error messages before the crash |
| 09:16.37 | golly | hey all I'm doing a apt-get upgrade, and the frkn thing keep stalling when it can't read acroread or some shite....how do I continue without upgrading that crap? |
| 09:16.55 | dandybestia | someone knows which part of Gnome is used to render the fonts? Pango, cairo? |
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| 09:17.32 | dandybestia | golly: put the acroread package on hold |
| 09:17.48 | golly | dandybestia: how do I do that? |
| 09:18.00 | dooglus | the last message in kern.log before the system locks up was "Jul 3 09:25:31 chrislap kernel: smb_lookup: find <pathname> failed, error=-5" |
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| 09:18.48 | dooglus | and lots of "Jul 2 15:28:39 chrislap kernel: smb_add_request: request [b3146580, mid=36822] timed out!" messages |
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| 09:19.13 | dandybestia | golly: i don't recall right now, i think with dpkg |
| 09:20.13 | HelmutG | Hi. xine seems to mix up colours in overlay on my i810 Xorg, can I do anything about that? |
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| 09:20.43 | pupy | hello |
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| 09:20.48 | dandybestia | golly: echo ``<package> hold'' | dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:20.52 | pupy | does anyone know where can I grab a packages' list from netisntall to? |
| 09:20.54 | wols | dooglus: run memtest86 ALONE, without linux for 2-3 hours. Then you have a reasonable way to say your memory is good |
| 09:20.56 | netsurf3 | is the uk.debian.com repo ok? |
| 09:21.02 | netsurf3 | i keep getting bad headers |
| 09:21.49 | dooglus | wols: I was running it alone - I added stanzas to lilo.conf and rebooted. and the hang only happens when I'm writing a lot to the smbfs mount. I'm pretty sure it's an smbfs bug, not a memory problem |
| 09:21.56 | netsurf3 | hmm maybe i need to upgrade though :/ |
| 09:22.33 | dooglus | wols: I'm downloading several big torrents to a remote windows share, mounted using smbfs, which causes a lot of files to be opened and written at once. if I stop that, it's fine. how do I start to debug that? |
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| 09:22.49 | wdamn | Hi, how can I list which fonts I have installed? |
| 09:22.50 | dandybestia | pupy: a list of all packages in main? |
| 09:23.09 | pupy | well the stable netinstall (180mb) |
| 09:23.18 | elbixio | hi everybody. is it possible to add a knoppix repository to a debian etch sources.list? |
| 09:23.26 | wols | dooglus: it's either smbfs itself or your network adapter |
| 09:23.30 | pupy | I might needto know which packages comes with that iso |
| 09:23.35 | elbixio | i mean, will knoppix packages run on debian etch |
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| 09:23.42 | wols | no real way to debug I'd say. different kernels, different drivers, that's all |
| 09:24.02 | ktwilight | does sarge support the latest kernel? |
| 09:24.06 | dandybestia | pupy: ah, dunno then (= |
| 09:24.15 | wols | elbixio: what is in that knoppix repo that you want? |
| 09:24.21 | wols | ktwilight: sure, why not? |
| 09:24.27 | pupy | am thanks, I think I'll download it then |
| 09:24.31 | elbixio | wols, knoppix-terminal-server |
| 09:24.32 | dooglus | wols: the network adaptor is an ethernet-to-USB thingy, "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0b95:1720 ASIX Electronics Corp." |
| 09:24.35 | dandybestia | ktwilight: if you need the latest udev stuff i think no |
| 09:24.56 | wols | dooglus: shitty hardware and heavy duty never mix. get a real ethernet |
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| 09:24.59 | dooglus | wols: it's been working fine for a month or so. it's only the last 3 or 4 days that the system has been freezing on me. |
| 09:25.09 | my007ms | can i use dhcp in boot time without change me /etc/resove.conf |
| 09:25.22 | dooglus | wols: I don't know how to get a real ethernet on this laptop. there's no way to fit an ethernet card inside it |
| 09:25.32 | ktwilight | ah... |
| 09:25.32 | ktwilight | just making sure :) |
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| 09:25.44 | wols | dooglus: why can't you run BT on the windows box? |
| 09:25.46 | LinuxHelp | Hi, I am trying to do: mkinitrd -o initrd-new, UNFORTUNATELY: even though I have not changed even one mkinitrd.conf etc.. setting my computer wont boot the initrd-new saying something about |
| 09:25.48 | dooglus | wols: the problem started when I upgraded to kernel 2.6.17, but it persists when I switch back to 2.6.16 |
| 09:25.50 | LinuxHelp | devfs |
| 09:26.02 | esben_ | my007ms: You mean with dhclient changing /etc/resolv.conf? I don't think so |
| 09:26.25 | esben | *without |
| 09:26.37 | dooglus | wols: it's not my windows box, but my main priority is to fix the kernel/driver/whatever bug rather than work around it by using Windows! |
| 09:27.26 | LinuxHelp | any ideas? it says a few lines like: umount: devfs not found |
| 09:27.37 | elbixio | wols, do u think it's possible to add the knoppix repository? |
| 09:28.14 | wols | of course it will be possible, but you will most probably get many problems in the future from mixing packages. like libc6 and the like. it will most probably be a mess and a very unstable system |
| 09:28.20 | my007ms | esben, so i have to change resolv.conf every time i boot |
| 09:28.33 | wols | elbixio: get theterminal-server thingie source and build your own deb for it |
| 09:28.45 | elbixio | wols, yeah, i supposed so |
| 09:29.45 | wols | my007ms: make resolv.conf unwriteable |
| 09:30.40 | wols | chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:31.30 | dooglus | wols: is that an ext[23]-only command? |
| 09:31.39 | wols | man chattr |
| 09:31.55 | wols | but yes |
| 09:32.03 | LinuxHelp | the truth is that google is helping me at all with my problem, theres like 2 pages of results, and none of them actually deal with my problem |
| 09:32.10 | wols | alternatively chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:32.31 | wols | LinuxHelp: do you need a initrd? |
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| 09:33.00 | LinuxHelp | wols, I need to customise an initrd for raid, but even before customisation it dont work :/ |
| 09:33.24 | wols | are all your partitions on raid? |
| 09:33.41 | LinuxHelp | wols, no, /boot is ext2 |
| 09:33.59 | LinuxHelp | well, ext2 on not raid |
| 09:34.50 | LinuxHelp | wols, its not the raid thats the problem, its that I cant get mkinitrd to work |
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| 09:35.01 | war95 | LinuxHelp: still going at it? |
| 09:35.07 | war95 | LinuxHelp: 1) don't use udev, then you don't need any initrd. |
| 09:35.08 | LinuxHelp | war95, lol yeah |
| 09:35.18 | war95 | LinuxHelp: if you compile your own kernel, you can use that and thats it |
| 09:35.19 | LinuxHelp | war95, what do mean?? |
| 09:35.23 | LinuxHelp | oh |
| 09:35.25 | war95 | LinuxHelp: initrd is completely optional |
| 09:35.28 | war95 | and not needed |
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| 09:35.54 | DragonD | I'd like to do a debian net install but i need drivers for my wifi card, is there a way to "ADD" them to the netinstall iso? |
| 09:36.21 | LinuxHelp | war95, can you walk me through a kernel compilation for 2.6.15? |
| 09:36.23 | war95 | DragonD: probably not easily |
| 09:36.40 | DragonD | using a disk or jump drive then? |
| 09:36.45 | wols | DragonD: do you need ndiswrapper or such to make your wifi work? |
| 09:36.46 | war95 | LinuxHelp: but Id have to ssh to your box |
| 09:36.54 | war95 | explaining it = 16hrs |
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| 09:36.55 | DragonD | wols: prolly. |
| 09:36.56 | war95 | doing it = 5min |
| 09:37.07 | war95 | DragonD: probably or floppy |
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| 09:37.32 | wols | DragonD: if you don't even know that and haven't bothered to find out yet, it's impossible |
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| 09:37.52 | wols | never ever give out ssh access to your box on irc. NEVER |
| 09:37.52 | my007ms | wols, it's work that :D |
| 09:38.00 | my007ms | wols, thanks |
| 09:38.04 | DragonD | wols: i'm looking right now |
| 09:38.07 | dandybestia | LinuxHelp: look at the kernel-package package |
| 09:38.08 | wols | !tell LinuxHelp about newbiedoc |
| 09:38.12 | war95 | wols, been working with this guy for a while now |
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| 09:38.28 | war95 | wols, but good advice in general |
| 09:38.29 | wols | LinuxHelp: it has a tutorial for building a kernel too |
| 09:38.52 | wols | war95: not just in general. unless you know a person in real life, NEVER give out login credentials on irc. NEVER |
| 09:38.53 | dandybestia | LinuxHelp: and there's somewhere a wiki with detailed instructions, IIRC |
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| 09:39.04 | wols | dandybestia: newbiedoc |
| 09:39.23 | dandybestia | wols: thanks |
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| 09:42.25 | DragonD | is there a way to get my wifi card's pciid from windows? |
| 09:42.40 | war95 | DragonD: boot knoppix and get it? |
| 09:42.40 | unix_infidel | lspci? |
| 09:42.57 | Eulex | umh, from windows? why then are you asking here? |
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| 09:43.10 | weissi_ | k |
| 09:43.19 | unix_infidel | oh from windows...i guess cygwin ...iono if it has that command. |
| 09:43.32 | wols | DragonD: device manager displays it in its proerties in some strange obfuscated way I never coulddecipher. but yes you can get it from windows too |
| 09:43.34 | Eulex | well, still not debian |
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| 09:45.45 | peterS | DragonD: run regedit.exe. surf to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\PCI. your devices are all sub-keys with vendor and device and subvendor and subdevice ID's all embedded in the key names |
| 09:46.14 | peterS | DragonD: inside each key is a lot of values, at least one or two of which should help you identify which device is which |
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| 09:46.26 | peterS | but I don't remember the value names in question, it has been several years since I've done this |
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| 09:47.34 | Guerin | !punish peterS for knowing |
| 09:47.43 | peterS | Guerin! |
| 09:48.08 | peterS | Guerin: what are _you_ doing here? errr, I mean, where are you? |
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| 09:48.35 | Guerin | peterS: someone else who doesn't read my magnificent, but now mostly defunct website |
| 09:48.46 | wols | I need to find out a password for pop3s googlemail access. THe password is currently stored in thunderbird but no one knows what it is |
| 09:48.47 | peterS | Guerin: I do read it but I haven't for like a month |
| 09:48.53 | wols | does anyone have a suggestion how to get it? |
| 09:49.06 | peterS | maybe longer, I can't recall. I do keep meaning to check it again |
| 09:49.06 | Guerin | peterS: i busted my collarbone in a motorcycle accident a coupleweeks ago and am now back home and about to start grad skool |
| 09:49.25 | peterS | Guerin: whoa. dude I'm sorry to hear that. how far did you get, then? |
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| 09:49.28 | weissi | wols, turn off ssl and use ngrep for sniffing it |
| 09:49.35 | Guerin | wols: sniffer |
| 09:49.37 | dooglus | wols: do you have a thunderbird 'master password' set? |
| 09:49.46 | dooglus | weissi: google's pop is ssl'ed |
| 09:49.51 | wols | right. thanks guys. the ssl threw me for a loop |
| 09:49.52 | dooglus | weissi: ngrep won't help |
| 09:50.11 | Guerin | peterS: northeastern laos - about 25% of the way |
| 09:50.11 | weissi | dooglus, you can't access gmail-pop without ssl? |
| 09:50.12 | wols | dooglus: since I don't know it could have a master pw, I doN#t think so |
| 09:50.19 | dooglus | weissi: oh, I see. that's clever! turn off ssl in thunderbird - the login will fail, but you can sniff the password :) |
| 09:50.27 | wols | dooglus: if I turn off ssl on tbird it tries to send in clear. so it will work :) |
| 09:50.39 | dooglus | weissi: you can't access gmail without ssl, but thunderbird doesn't know that :) |
| 09:50.45 | weissi | dooglus, :-) |
| 09:51.04 | weissi | or take the easy way: Settings -> Privacy Settings -> Passwords -> show passwords :-) |
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| 09:51.20 | dooglus | weissi: thunderbird has a 'master password' which can be used to encrypt all the other passwords. but yes - show passwords is the easy way... |
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| 09:51.34 | peterS | Guerin: horseback riding is not safe either, y'know |
| 09:51.37 | dabaR | I have an issue with printing to a HP PSC 1215 on a win XP computer. I get to add the printer through the gnome-cups-add dialog, and it gets detected on the network, after entering the proper passwords for connecting to that PC. I then get to choose the printer driver, and mine is not listed. There is psc 1210, and 1200, so I tried choosing either, and the printer gets added, and says ready when the other PC and printer are on. |
| 09:51.44 | dabaR | However, I send the printer a job, which gets added to the printer q on the XP PC, and starts being printed, then hangs forever. Any clues? |
| 09:51.53 | my007ms | i need to make named log in /var/log/named not messege |
| 09:52.01 | Guerin | peterS: i know, but it's tech which has consistently ruined my day on this trip |
| 09:52.06 | my007ms | so i edit /etc/syslog.conf |
| 09:52.10 | peterS | ahh |
| 09:52.20 | Guerin | i figure horses play nice if you play nice with them, which ain't true of electronic gear |
| 09:52.27 | peterS | well, glad to have you back, at any rate |
| 09:52.34 | Guerin | or petrol-engined gear either, come to that |
| 09:52.42 | my007ms | but i don't find in conf file for name make me contorl in loging any idea ?? |
| 09:53.06 | LinuxHelp | war95? |
| 09:53.20 | LinuxHelp | I sent you like a page of messages, but they were blocked :) |
| 09:53.32 | war95 | ah |
| 09:53.41 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 09:53.44 | itchi | LinuxHelp: Crazy guy :-p |
| 09:53.45 | weissi | my007ms, !named |
| 09:53.45 | weissi | *.* /var/log/named.log |
| 09:53.53 | war95 | LinuxHelp: yeah didnt get any of your messages |
| 09:53.58 | dooglus | LinuxHelp: you have to register with nickser to send messages |
| 09:54.06 | dooglus | LinuxHelp: type /msg nickserv register pa$$word!! |
| 09:54.14 | weissi | my007ms, these 2 lines in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 09:54.17 | itchi | LinuxHelp: Not send your pass here man :-) |
| 09:54.30 | peterS | /msg nickserv ghost dooglus pa$$word!! |
| 09:54.35 | dooglus | heh |
| 09:54.36 | peterS | dang it, I guess that wasn't his real password |
| 09:54.59 | dooglus | it's just the easiest way I know of making it clear that the last argument is a password |
| 09:55.04 | my007ms | weissi, *.* tell syslog to log every thing not just named |
| 09:55.12 | wols | my007ms: why do you run named? if I may ask? |
| 09:55.14 | dooglus | if I say /msg nickserv register <password>, some people think you have to type the < and > |
| 09:55.35 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.36 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 09:55.36 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. |
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| 09:55.44 | my007ms | weissi, i need to make lap domin exampel.com to test every thing in it |
| 09:55.55 | my007ms | wols, , i need to make lap domin exampel.com to test every thing in it |
| 09:56.13 | my007ms | wols, what is the fisr line is |
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| 09:56.22 | wols | please talk english |
| 09:56.27 | my007ms | wols, just !named |
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| 09:56.56 | my007ms | wols, i try :( my english is bad |
| 09:56.57 | Guerin | !guerin's internet is also nope, Guerin no longer has fast internet because he's moved back to civilisation. Now he's back onialup like the rest of the peasants. |
| 09:56.57 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 09:57.45 | wols | onialup? is that like 1GBit/s instead of your old 100MBit/s? |
| 09:57.49 | peterS | !guerin's internet =~ s/onialup/on dialup/ |
| 09:57.49 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 09:58.02 | streuner | haha |
| 09:58.14 | streuner | peterS: you should ask first |
| 09:58.20 | peterS | it can be changed back |
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| 09:58.52 | my007ms | weissi, :) now i see all system log in /var/log/named |
| 09:59.00 | streuner | .kr has plenty of bandwitdth for there users |
| 09:59.17 | Guerin | it's true |
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| 09:59.24 | Guerin | i'm 56k'ing it up laaarge |
| 09:59.28 | weissi | my007ms, ooh sorry, was away :-) |
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| 09:59.55 | weissi | my007ms, doen't do you have 2 lines? |
| 10:00.02 | peterS | Guerin: we should set up a shortwave radio link. get you an extra 110 bits per second or so |
| 10:00.14 | streuner | Guerin: that's like if you drive Porsche and go back travling by foot |
| 10:00.40 | my007ms | weissi, yes but the line noumber 2 make my system log every thing in /var/log/named not just named |
| 10:00.56 | Guerin | peterS: once I get a job I'll be on middleband |
| 10:00.59 | my007ms | weissi, what !nemaed mean in syslog.conf |
| 10:01.06 | my007ms | weissi, what !named mean in syslog.conf |
| 10:01.09 | Guerin | they charge telephone numers for proper internet here though |
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| 10:01.33 | Guerin | streuner: yeah. Money is like that, too. I feel like bargaining for shit in shops, it's just stupid. |
| 10:01.50 | weissi | my007ms, try that: named.* /var/log/named.log |
| 10:01.51 | peterS | yah, I suppose. not enough undersea cables to peru? |
| 10:01.55 | itchi | streuner: You not know about the expensif fuell :-p |
| 10:02.09 | weissi | my007ms, the one worked for me several years ago, perhaps new syntax?!?? |
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| 10:03.17 | my007ms | weissi, yes i try named.* b4 but not work what " !named " mean in syslog |
| 10:03.34 | weissi | my007ms, it meant: everything from process named, but it seems not to work anymore... |
| 10:03.52 | weissi | my007ms, no, no, delete !named now, sorry just one line |
| 10:04.58 | my007ms | weissi, *.* /var/log/named |
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| 10:05.12 | weissi | my007ms, ooh and by the way, do you have a line like "syslog bla" in /etc/named.conf? |
| 10:05.13 | my007ms | weissi, no this one make all system log in this file |
| 10:05.23 | weissi | my007ms, no, just that: named.* /var/log/named.log |
| 10:05.37 | my007ms | weissi, no i don't |
| 10:06.13 | my007ms | weissi, what line in named.conf this is what i was search for i don't find any thing in named.conf abut loging |
| 10:07.24 | weissi | my007ms, I searched on google now. The setup seems to be like that: FIrst you have to configure in named.conf what syslog facility you want to use, then you filter out this syslog-facility in /etc/syslog.conf with <facility-name>.* /var/log/named.log |
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| 10:08.45 | my007ms | weissi, yes this is make logic |
| 10:08.57 | my007ms | weissi, i use this way in sshd |
| 10:09.07 | simmerz | trying to get evms working in debian. when i start the machine it seems ok, but i dont think evms has been started by anything other than the initrd. if i try to do a /etc/init.d/evms start, i get a kernel panic |
| 10:09.51 | yang | i am getting this error, when starting httpd-hpa Jul 4 12:07:34 sisyphus in.tftpd[4697]: cannot set groups for user nobody |
| 10:10.01 | davee | 'debsums' shows me which files have been modified for an installed package. What's a good way to see that *actual differences*, rather than generating a report of "this file has changed"? |
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| 10:10.12 | Guerin | yang: shouldn't be running a httpd as nobody anyhow |
| 10:10.18 | weissi | my007ms, yes, that's true, but I'm pretty sure several years ago I could write !<process-name>\n*.* <logging file> and this was pretty simple and cool, but it seems it doesn't work anymore :-(( (perhabs that was on FreeBSD?!??) |
| 10:10.24 | peterS | davee: the actual differences aren't stored. that would require double the disk space, to store original files |
| 10:10.30 | yang | Guerin: its not httpd! |
| 10:10.44 | Guerin | davee: write a script involving diff, while read on the report? |
| 10:10.45 | yang | Guerin: tftpd-hpa |
| 10:11.00 | peterS | davee: checking differences given an original .deb file is something you could easily enough write a script to do, but I am not aware of one that already exists |
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| 10:11.03 | my007ms | weissi, but named.conf have nothing abut loging |
| 10:11.03 | my007ms | weissi, wait i find it in |
| 10:11.03 | Guerin | yang: oh, ok. |
| 10:11.03 | my007ms | weissi, i search google to and find that i can use logging in my named.conf |
| 10:11.42 | davee | peterS: That's what I thought; I was halfway writing such a script, but it struck me as something that might already exist, even though I couldn't find it |
| 10:11.46 | yang | Guerin: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /svr/tftp |
| 10:11.48 | davee | peterS, Guerin : thanks, people |
| 10:12.09 | peterS | yang: do you mean /srv instead of /svr there? /srv is more standard |
| 10:12.20 | yang | that doesnt matter |
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| 10:12.30 | weissi | my007ms, in named.conf: logging { channel <some string I don't now what it means> { syslog <facility> } }, try google! |
| 10:12.30 | yang | i have it set to "svr" |
| 10:13.01 | yang | how do i set a proper group for "nobody" ? |
| 10:13.09 | Guerin | yang: i know nothing about tftp, so I'll stay out |
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| 10:13.43 | Triquetra | hi |
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| 10:16.50 | peterS | yang: what group is nobody in on your system, anyway? what does 'id nobody' report? |
| 10:17.10 | yang | uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup) |
| 10:17.56 | peterS | yang: then I don't see what the problem is. I don't see why inetd can't handle that. |
| 10:18.18 | unkn0wn | Gathond |
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| 10:19.13 | my007ms | weissi, i will keep search thank much very much for your help |
| 10:19.14 | yang | on the client it says PXE TFTP open timeout |
| 10:19.57 | peterS | the log message on the server is what puzzles me. have you tried atftpd in place of hpa's one? |
| 10:20.23 | peterS | wait, no I don't, I tried it but I am currently using plain tftpd |
| 10:20.26 | simmerz | what is the best way of getting a 2.6.13+ kernel onto my sarge system? |
| 10:20.36 | peterS | simmerz: pull from backports.org, I think |
| 10:20.52 | tralala | simmerz: /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:21.17 | yang | peterS: i had problems with other tftpd´s |
| 10:21.24 | simmerz | yeah, all well and good, but I can't find the sources |
| 10:21.26 | yang | this hpa worked for me once |
| 10:21.34 | peterS | yes, everyone has problems with various tftpds, that's why we still have 3 in debian :/ |
| 10:22.13 | peterS | yang: I suppose you could /msg hpa and ask him but he probably wouldn't be happy with me for suggesting it (: |
| 10:22.20 | simmerz | ok, am i right in guessing it is linux-source, rather than kernel-source? |
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| 10:22.40 | peterS | (yes, the hpa on this network is the same as the author of that tftpd) |
| 10:22.42 | yang | peterS: and it wont start correctly, becouse of this message: Jul 4 12:22:05 sisyphus in.tftpd[4736]: cannot set groups for user nobody |
| 10:23.08 | yang | hpa is idle 5 days |
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| 10:23.23 | tralala | simmerz: how about linux-image? |
| 10:23.39 | peterS | yang: hrrrm, sounds like in.tftpd wants to set the groups itself, rather than just inheriting them from inetd. I wonder why. |
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| 10:24.02 | yang | peterS: well, if i change the group somehow, it should work then... |
| 10:24.11 | peterS | yang: I wonder if it knows it's running from inetd. do you need to give it a special flag to tell it that? |
| 10:24.23 | peterS | (I don't have tftpd-hpa installed so I can't RTFM to find out) |
| 10:24.44 | MoDaX | somehow font AA has got disabled for gtk2 apps (I'm using kde). how to enable it? sid |
| 10:24.49 | cusco | dudes |
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| 10:25.09 | yang | peterS: can you tell me how to change the groups of it |
| 10:25.16 | cusco | I would like to burn a avi file into a cd... and I would like it to be played on the dvd player |
| 10:25.26 | cusco | I think mencoder from mplayer can do that right? |
| 10:25.51 | Fox | mencoder to burn a dvd ? |
| 10:25.52 | peterS | yang: I do not think that is your problem. setting the groups should not be necessary and will probably fail because in.tftpd isn't running as root. |
| 10:25.56 | wols | mencoder can convert the avi to mpeg2, yes |
| 10:26.01 | cusco | Fox: no.. to convert my avi file |
| 10:26.03 | Fox | didn't know mencoder could burn anything |
| 10:26.06 | wols | it cannot create the DVD filesystem |
| 10:26.07 | Fox | ah :) |
| 10:26.10 | peterS | yang: I wonder if it knows it's running from inetd. do you need to give it a special flag to tell it that? |
| 10:26.23 | cusco | wols: Im not intereted in the dvd file system |
| 10:26.35 | cusco | actually it could be a vcd or whatever |
| 10:26.40 | tralala | cusco: you want to check dvdauthor and growisofs |
| 10:26.45 | yang | peterS: this is the line from inetd.conf tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /svr/tftp |
| 10:26.49 | Fox | cusco: does you dvd player read divx ? |
| 10:26.58 | Guerin | cusco: #debian ain't really the place for this. go look at doom9.org |
| 10:27.07 | peterS | yang: yes you pasted already. I wonder if it knows it is running from inetd. do you need to give it a special flag to tell it that? |
| 10:27.09 | Guerin | doom9 is your biblew |
| 10:27.17 | cusco | :| |
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| 10:27.25 | wols | Guerin: for linux? not really :) |
| 10:27.29 | wols | cusco: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709 |
| 10:27.35 | yang | peterS: i dont know anything about flags? |
| 10:27.40 | wols | cusco: mencoder can't produce a VCD either |
| 10:27.44 | cusco | Fox: im not sure! |
| 10:27.50 | peterS | yang: wtf, you're trying to run a daemon and you can't even read its manpage? |
| 10:27.51 | Fox | doom9.org is broken, look at www.doom9.org |
| 10:28.05 | yang | peterS: it was working fine before... |
| 10:28.15 | Fox | cusco: then use mencode to encode to divx and cdrecord to burn the CD/DVD |
| 10:28.16 | yang | peterS: i am getting this error lately |
| 10:28.32 | Guerin | wols: looked good last i saw it |
| 10:30.21 | Guerin | wols: does it not cover mencoder and such? |
| 10:30.32 | peterS | yang: looks like you can run it as user 'root' from inetd.conf and it will switch itself to 'nobody' as it starts. that will work around your issue. |
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| 10:30.43 | wols | Guerin: it covers tmpgenc :) |
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| 10:31.26 | yang | so i change the line "nobody" to "root" in inetd.conf? |
| 10:31.43 | Guerin | oh |
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| 10:32.11 | peterS | yang: try it and see if it correctly changes back to nobody as it starts. if not, add '-u nobody' to its command line. but it's supposed to do that. |
| 10:32.43 | peterS | yang: and by running as root it should be able to handle group initialisation like it wants to |
| 10:33.16 | yang | peterS: well the first line in /etc/inetd.conf starts with "tftp" and not "tftpd" is that a problem? |
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| 10:33.36 | peterS | yang: on debian? that's correct. |
| 10:34.06 | peterS | (run 'getent services tftp' if you don't believe me) |
| 10:34.45 | yang | peterS: i guess it will work now...got to "tune" the client now? |
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| 10:34.55 | Sir-vince | hi guys, i once used echo "something" > somefile.txt , but can't remember how i made it just add this to the last line |
| 10:35.06 | Sir-vince | any of you guys who could help me out |
| 10:35.07 | peterS | Sir-vince: >> instead of >? |
| 10:35.08 | yang | I am getting "access violation" on client now |
| 10:35.34 | Sir-vince | peterS thanks :) |
| 10:36.06 | noiesmo | when I do ifconfig I dont gt my LoopBack lo listed |
| 10:36.30 | noiesmo | how is lo created at boot up what controls it |
| 10:36.45 | peterS | noiesmo: the 'auto lo' and 'iface lo inet loopback' lines of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:36.52 | wols | noiesmo: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:37.14 | noiesmo | yes its there as it should but its not coming up my eth0 does |
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| 10:37.29 | peterS | noiesmo: did you forget 'auto lo'? |
| 10:38.03 | Sir-vince | peterS can you also help me out whith this, i now wrote: echo "sometext" >> "somefile.txt";echo "sometext2" >> "somefile.txt how do i make a empty line between those two ? |
| 10:38.09 | noiesmo | it goes auto lo then next line iface lo inet loopback |
| 10:38.17 | peterS | Sir-vince: echo |
| 10:38.25 | Sir-vince | would that do it ? |
| 10:38.26 | yang | peterS: i am getting "only absolute filenames are allowed" and tftp error - access vilation |
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| 10:38.48 | noiesmo | get a Device not found error |
| 10:38.56 | MetaMorfoziS | hi all |
| 10:39.13 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm lamer but i want to add a new user , that only can acces to his home folder |
| 10:39.20 | peterS | noiesmo: if the loopback device can't be created, that's a real problem. I haven't run into that one. |
| 10:39.20 | MetaMorfoziS | can't chup and other... |
| 10:39.28 | peterS | noiesmo: does 'ifup lo' do anything? |
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| 10:40.38 | noiesmo | peterS, says already configured |
| 10:40.59 | noiesmo | peterS, when i do ifconfig -a it list it as ?0 |
| 10:41.57 | noiesmo | lo = ?0 for some reason |
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| 10:44.09 | bintut | hello all.. i'm setting up here ssh key based authentication.. i already have my id_dsa.pub from my server to my workstation's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but whenever i tried to ssh to the server, i got the result of "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)." what have i missed here? |
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| 10:44.47 | yang | peterS: any idea? |
| 10:44.51 | peterS | bintut: make sure you're using protocol 2 and the correct username |
| 10:45.08 | peterS | yang: you're the one with tftpd-hpa installed |
| 10:45.12 | bintut | peterS: yes, for both |
| 10:45.39 | peterS | bintut: make sure ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server is properly protected - neither ~ nor ~/.ssh should be group-writable |
| 10:46.11 | Sir-vince | I wish to have the numbers from 1-5000 written starting with 1 and so on, how would you do that ? |
| 10:46.17 | yang | /whois hpa hpa |
| 10:46.42 | peterS | Sir-vince: seq 1 5000 |
| 10:46.57 | Sir-vince | hehe thanks :) |
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| 10:47.40 | peterS | bintut: does id_dsa live in ~/.ssh/ on the client? that's important too |
| 10:48.29 | peterS | bintut: wait wait wait ... I know what the deal is. you're trying to ssh to the _server_ but your authorized_keys file is on the _client_. you have everything set up backwards. |
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| 10:50.47 | bintut | peterS: this is what i did: "ssh-keygen -t dsa" as user of the server. then, i copied the generated id_dsa.pub to my workstation's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:51.06 | peterS | bintut: right, so now you should be able to ssh from the server to the workstation. but you are trying to do the opposite. |
| 10:51.52 | peterS | bintut: what you need to do is run ssh-keygen on the _workstation_, make sure it stores the file as ~/.ssh/id_dsa, then copy the id_dsa.pub file to the _server_ and put it in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys _there_. |
| 10:52.37 | bintut | oh.. ok.. :) |
| 10:52.58 | peterS | bintut: also, I use protocol rsa rather than dsa, it's smaller and faster |
| 10:53.10 | bintut | peterS: ok.. |
| 10:53.42 | peterS | the speed matters particularly for really old machines, like a Pentium 133. quite noticeable there. |
| 10:55.22 | bintut | peterS: so to recap, if i want to connect from my workstation to the server, i have to generate the ssh from my workstation and send a copy of my public key to my server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 10:55.37 | peterS | bintut: yes. |
| 10:55.44 | bintut | ok |
| 10:56.18 | yang | peterS: can you help me, if i try with tftpd plain? |
| 10:56.29 | peterS | well, technically it doesn't matter _where_ you generate the id_rsa + id_rsa.pub files, so long as id_rsa _ends up_ on the workstation and authorized_keys _ends up_ on the server |
| 10:56.43 | peterS | yang: probably not because I don't do pxe either. pxe adds complications. |
| 10:56.59 | yang | peterS: but i can only do netboot with PXE? |
| 10:57.16 | peterS | that's not my problem. I do netboot without pxe. it's not an i386 machine, of course. |
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| 10:57.47 | peterS | the i in i386 stands for Intel, and they're the ones who invented PXE |
| 10:58.38 | sk4nK | I'm think I've got UML almost working, but it just won't boot properly, I've pasted my boot messages to http://nanobin.nanosouffle.net/1389 if someone can give me a hand to get this going it would be much appreciated. |
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| 11:02.43 | sk4nK | i think it's not changin init level , or is, but is not displaying in the terminal.. i'm not sure and i can't find anything useful, all the examples just seem to work |
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| 11:05.30 | suppaman | hello |
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| 11:06.20 | LinuxMafia | hi all : i am newbie in debian , i want to install azureus , i downloaded the .deb file , and tried dpkg -i to install it , but it has lots of dependencies , is there a way other than ins stall all it's depenencies |
| 11:06.33 | LinuxMafia | ? |
| 11:06.40 | suppaman | LinuxMafia: let apt install em |
| 11:07.09 | peterS | LinuxMafia: run 'apt-get -f install'. |
| 11:07.12 | zamolxes | LinuxMafia: Rick, is that you? |
| 11:07.14 | zamolxes | :) |
| 11:07.25 | peterS | zamolxes: /whois redrick |
| 11:07.30 | LinuxMafia | peterS, suppaman thanks |
| 11:07.41 | zamolxes | peterS: making a joke .. |
| 11:07.42 | LinuxMafia | zamolxes, no just similar names |
| 11:08.08 | peterS | zamolxes: kinda hard to imagine rick running gentoo |
| 11:09.00 | zamolxes | :) |
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| 11:09.58 | LinuxMafia_ | hey i got an error |
| 11:10.30 | LinuxMafia_ | E: Couldn't find package azureus_2.4.0.2-1_all.deb |
| 11:10.48 | peterS | I didn't say apt-get -f install azureus_2.4.0.2-1_all.deb, I said apt-get -f install |
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| 11:11.32 | LinuxMafia_ | peterS, no package name? |
| 11:11.37 | peterS | no package name |
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| 11:11.50 | peterS | the package, you already installed with dpkg -i, or tried to |
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| 11:11.54 | MetaMorfoziS | hi all, how can i work out easyway, to a user only can acces to his home? |
| 11:11.57 | peterS | apt-get -f install just finishes the job |
| 11:12.19 | petemc | MetaMorfoziS: theres no "easy" way |
| 11:12.24 | Maulkin | MetaMorfoziS: Set their shell to rbash? |
| 11:12.32 | LinuxMafia_ | peterS, wow that is so great |
| 11:12.35 | raf256 | when will GLX work in debian testing? with nvidia |
| 11:12.36 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm a newbie |
| 11:12.39 | Guerin | MetaMorfoziS: run windows |
| 11:12.47 | raf256 | or ubuntu |
| 11:12.51 | MetaMorfoziS | Guerin, yes that is my 2nd idea... |
| 11:12.53 | MetaMorfoziS | i have kubuntu |
| 11:12.57 | raf256 | ubuntu is nice for newbies while still beeing debian-like |
| 11:13.00 | suppaman | bye |
| 11:13.02 | raf256 | heah |
| 11:13.03 | DragonD | ok so i need ndiswrapper for my wifi card. how can i use the net install cd? |
| 11:13.05 | MetaMorfoziS | i wonder, windows easy than linux in user permissions... |
| 11:13.07 | MetaMorfoziS | :((( |
| 11:13.09 | Maulkin | MetaMorfoziS: Try asking in #kubuntu... |
| 11:13.14 | yang | is there any other way to netboot a machine, beside using PXE...I wonder where mini.iso goes to? |
| 11:13.23 | Guerin | MetaMorfoziS: no. |
| 11:13.31 | MetaMorfoziS | that guys spokes me aobut jail , but it is a very difficult thing, if i read well. |
| 11:13.36 | raf256 | MetaMorfoziS: windows is for idionts. If you are one, you will find the lack of permisions nicer |
| 11:14.10 | raf256 | MetaMorfoziS: jail is easy, just go to an black jurge in your tail and say "hi nigga" - you are done |
| 11:14.14 | Maulkin | MetaMorfoziS: You need to go to #kubuntu if you are using kubuntu |
| 11:14.21 | raf256 | if you are refering to a chroot-jail, this is trivial also in debian |
| 11:14.21 | MetaMorfoziS | i don1t want to use win , i want to set an accoutn to my friend to he uplaod meg some files |
| 11:14.28 | MetaMorfoziS | i don't think it's difficult |
| 11:14.34 | raf256 | just use apt-get install makejail (or otherwise install makejail package) and then use it as root |
| 11:14.34 | MetaMorfoziS | but it is difficult. |
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| 11:15.10 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: only ftp? |
| 11:15.13 | MetaMorfoziS | it needs a package |
| 11:15.15 | Guerin | raf256: has nobody beaten you to death with a spork yet? |
| 11:15.17 | MetaMorfoziS | but i needs use it for a user |
| 11:15.25 | raf256 | Guerin: I am undead |
| 11:15.33 | MetaMorfoziS | modax, i can't set up ftpd, because it ahve the same problem |
| 11:15.39 | MetaMorfoziS | the ftp users have acces to all |
| 11:15.44 | raf256 | MetaMorfoziS: use makejail. install "makejail" ,set it up in /etc/makejail/ftp then use it. |
| 11:15.50 | MetaMorfoziS | / and /media and can list anything |
| 11:16.00 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: is ftp enough for you? |
| 11:16.05 | raf256 | MetaMorfoziS: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:16.19 | MetaMorfoziS | yes, i tried proftpd wit gproftpd (the guied config crap) |
| 11:16.35 | MoDaX | raf256: stop suggesting complicated things if there are not needed |
| 11:16.46 | raf256 | MoDaX: he said he wats a chrooted jail |
| 11:16.50 | raf256 | so I am asking again |
| 11:16.57 | raf256 | MetaMorfoziS: what exacly are you trying to do? |
| 11:17.01 | MetaMorfoziS | it's true, i'm not spoked what i want correctly |
| 11:17.13 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: purge proftpd |
| 11:17.17 | MetaMorfoziS | i need an account that able to login and upload some files |
| 11:17.18 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: and install it again |
| 11:17.23 | MetaMorfoziS | but unable to lsit any other dir |
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| 11:17.53 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: apt-get --purge remove protftpd && apt-get install proftpd |
| 11:17.54 | raf256 | MetaMorfoziS: simply install proftpd and select option that automaticly locks user to home directory (right?) |
| 11:18.03 | MetaMorfoziS | how? |
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| 11:18.13 | raf256 | MetaMorfoziS: as MoDaX written |
| 11:18.23 | MetaMorfoziS | i have that... |
| 11:18.28 | radone | if I need to "finger" remote machine - how can I allow this? I got: finger: connect: Connection refused |
| 11:18.28 | radone | If I "finger" as to be on localhost machine, everything is ok... |
| 11:18.30 | MetaMorfoziS | standalone or inetd? |
| 11:18.33 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: good |
| 11:18.54 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: now there is commented out anonymous section /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 11:19.02 | MoDaX | in /etc/proftpd.conf * |
| 11:19.03 | peterS | radone: you have to run a fingerd on the remote host. normally this launches from inetd |
| 11:19.09 | MetaMorfoziS | inetd or standalone (proftpd isnaller asks) |
| 11:19.11 | MetaMorfoziS | ? |
| 11:19.19 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: standalone |
| 11:19.24 | peterS | radone: it lives on port 79, so if you've firewalled off port 79 it won't work |
| 11:19.52 | MetaMorfoziS | ok |
| 11:20.06 | peterS | and of course, as with any trivial network server, there are at least two implementations in debian |
| 11:20.22 | MetaMorfoziS | i have the uncommented anyonmous login |
| 11:20.47 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm been this about 20minutes |
| 11:20.58 | MetaMorfoziS | but it not worked, and i hanged up ftp and went to jail and other |
| 11:22.06 | yang | is there any other way to netboot a machine, beside using PXE...I wonder where mini.iso goes to? |
| 11:22.26 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: ? |
| 11:22.46 | MetaMorfoziS | hmm it working |
| 11:22.48 | MetaMorfoziS | but i dunno why |
| 11:22.49 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
| 11:23.01 | MetaMorfoziS | thx... |
| 11:23.01 | MetaMorfoziS | :D |
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| 11:23.45 | MetaMorfoziS | no |
| 11:23.58 | MetaMorfoziS | notworking, unable to upload |
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| 11:24.27 | MetaMorfoziS | and why i need a new user for ftp... i can't undersatnd it |
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| 11:25.37 | fireba11 | yang: netboot ? |
| 11:26.12 | MoDaX | MetaMorfoziS: it's for anonymous ftp account. you can of course do without it if you configure so |
| 11:26.13 | yang | fireba11: debian etch netboot |
| 11:26.29 | shaibn | hi :) i tried to get an rsync working via inet and got it working *only* after i installed a package called inetutils-inetd ; but now telnet won't work to this box ... can someone help me out please? |
| 11:27.08 | MoDaX | shaibn: don't you think ssh is a lot better? |
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| 11:27.10 | MoDaX | :) |
| 11:27.39 | fireba11 | MoDaX was just about to ask wtf he needs telnet |
| 11:27.55 | shaibn | MoDaX, that isn't my problem right now. |
| 11:28.20 | fireba11 | shaibn what do you need telnet for anyway ? |
| 11:28.52 | shaibn | fireba11, i just need it... that's what we use in the office... |
| 11:29.10 | fireba11 | shaibn shame on your office, then |
| 11:29.18 | MoDaX | shaibn: check /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 11:29.46 | shaibn | fireba11, fine. |
| 11:29.48 | MoDaX | shark_: is telnetd is standalone, telnetd and inetd might be fighting for the same port (23) |
| 11:29.53 | shaibn | MoDaX, i've checked it... didn't seem like it changed. |
| 11:30.07 | MoDaX | s/^is/if/ |
| 11:30.28 | MoDaX | shaibn: netstat -ap | grep LISTEN |
| 11:30.29 | shaibn | MoDaX, ps aux |grep telnet doesn't show that i have telnetd active... |
| 11:30.49 | wols | shaibn: netstat -anp |grep 23 |
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| 11:31.16 | shaibn | wols, nothing about telnet there ... |
| 11:31.38 | shaibn | this /etc/inetd.conf shows: |
| 11:31.45 | shaibn | telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tell |
| 11:31.45 | shaibn | netd |
| 11:32.05 | MoDaX | shaibn: is telnetd still installed? |
| 11:32.33 | shaibn | # apt-get install telnetd |
| 11:32.37 | shaibn | telnetd is already the newest version. |
| 11:32.51 | shaibn | which telnetd ; doesn't show anything... |
| 11:33.08 | MoDaX | shaibn: which in.tell |
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| 11:33.20 | shaibn | # which in.telnetd |
| 11:33.20 | shaibn | /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
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| 11:33.46 | MoDaX | ok, restart inetd maybe? |
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| 11:34.10 | shaibn | MoDaX, i tried that .... |
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| 11:36.36 | yang | is this a proper way to write an image to a floppy drive ? dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync |
| 11:36.55 | MoDaX | yang: yes |
| 11:37.04 | shaibn | anyone has any other ideas? |
| 11:37.05 | shaibn | :\ |
| 11:37.10 | steve_dondley | hello. can someone please tell me if I can do reg expressions in bash? I tried if [[ $1 =~ 'projects/(.*)' ]] but got an error. |
| 11:37.35 | MoDaX | shaibn: netstat -ap | grep inetd |
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| 11:38.36 | shaibn | MoDaX, nothing... |
| 11:38.59 | weissi | shaibn, inetd starts in.telnetd only if there is someone connecting! |
| 11:39.03 | MoDaX | shaibn: could you paste your /etc/inetd.conf to pastebin? |
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| 11:40.31 | MoDaX | shaibn: btw, did you run that netstat command as root? |
| 11:40.32 | steve_dondley | ah, cool, there is bash3. that supports regex. |
| 11:40.37 | shaibn | note that after i installed that package: |
| 11:40.38 | shaibn | # /etc/init.d/inet |
| 11:40.38 | shaibn | inetd inetutils-inetd |
| 11:40.44 | shaibn | there are two of them now... |
| 11:40.51 | shaibn | MoDaX, yes. |
| 11:41.14 | MoDaX | shaibn: remove one of them |
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| 11:43.41 | weissi | shaibn, it works fine on my machine, you just need "telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd" in /etc/inetd.conf, you have to start inetd "/etc/init.d/inetd start" and "ls -la /usr/sbin/in.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd" should list 2 executable binaries... |
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| 11:44.57 | skon | when setting the number of init start scripts which gives the higher priority, higher or lower numbers? |
| 11:45.05 | shaibn | MoDaX, pastebin doesn't work for me... for some odd reason.... |
| 11:45.14 | weissi | skon, you mean S20my-service?? |
| 11:45.26 | skon | weissi: yes |
| 11:45.37 | weissi | skon, if yes: lower first |
| 11:45.48 | skon | okay and reverse for kill scripts? |
| 11:46.31 | skon | or kill links i should say |
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| 11:47.16 | weissi | skon, no |
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| 11:47.28 | weissi | skon, it's just a sort |
| 11:47.51 | weissi | skon, ls -1 S* | sort |
| 11:47.54 | weissi | skon, ls -1 K* | sort |
| 11:48.24 | skon | weissi: ah, thanks very much |
| 11:50.35 | yang | on the floppy installation is there a special option for 2.6 kernel installation? |
| 11:50.47 | azeem | yang: linux26, maybe? |
| 11:50.57 | weissi | yang, linux26 |
| 11:51.01 | azeem | yang: but if you really install from a floppy, I doubt a second kernel would fit |
| 11:51.27 | yang | nope it doesnt work |
| 11:51.35 | weissi | azeem, floppy netinstall is great! |
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| 11:52.58 | ferguscan | Is it possible to prevent make-kpkg from deleting the compiled objects once it finishes compiling? |
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| 11:54.44 | Netcad | say there is a line in the format token1-token2 token3-token4-token5. how to replace the - characters only between token3 token4 and token5? |
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| 11:55.18 | skon | is there a difference between using ifconfig eth0 up and ifup eth0 ? |
| 11:55.41 | tarzeau | skon: yes |
| 11:55.47 | tarzeau | skon: ifup will run dhcp if configured so. ifconfig not |
| 11:56.01 | tarzeau | skon: ifconfig won't set an ip or anything with the example you gave |
| 11:56.15 | tarzeau | skon: ifup is debian specific |
| 11:56.36 | tarzeau | skon: where as ifconfig will work on a lot more different systems (albeit not all call their nics eth0) |
| 11:56.48 | tarzeau | and some systems have varied syntax for ifconfig |
| 11:56.52 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 11:56.53 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:56.54 | fireba11 | tarzeau: so on debian you should use ifup ? |
| 11:57.00 | tarzeau | fireba11: no i didn't say that |
| 11:57.14 | tarzeau | fireba11: depends if it's configured. the debian ifup/ifdown things alos are partly buggy |
| 11:57.27 | tarzeau | fireba11: i find myself often NOT use the debian ifup/down stuff |
| 11:57.29 | fireba11 | tarzeau hm .. always worked for me ;-) |
| 11:57.47 | tarzeau | fireba11: you haven't had the funny nics/kernels/situations i had then |
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| 11:57.58 | tarzeau | fireba11: including remote boxes that HAD to keep run |
| 11:58.42 | fireba11 | tarzeau: nope. . maybe i was just lucky .. or i'm not using complex setups like you .-) |
| 11:58.50 | tarzeau | fireba11: yes maybe |
| 11:59.13 | tarzeau | fireba11: ever had dying dhcp clients? sarge ships them by default (dhcpclient 2) |
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| 11:59.32 | fireba11 | tarzeau: not no debian dhcp client .. :-) |
| 11:59.33 | tarzeau | fireba11: that's one situation where you can't reliably use ifup/down |
| 11:59.34 | skon | tarzeau: so to just bring up a non dhcp nic card ( eth1 ) does not really matter between ifup or infconfig? |
| 11:59.40 | tarzeau | fireba11: also on interfaces that disappear for some reason |
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| 11:59.50 | tarzeau | skon: no i wouldn't generally say that either |
| 12:00.02 | tarzeau | skon: it very much depends on /etc/network/interfaces and what you want to achive |
| 12:00.11 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i'm using dhcp only for notebooks here .. and no debian on notebooks so far .. |
| 12:00.33 | skon | tarzeau: okay thanks |
| 12:00.33 | tarzeau | fireba11: we use dhcp for our clients albeit we set the ip fix by mac addresses |
| 12:01.08 | weissi | skon, ifup/ifdown is normally less to type(you have to type ONCE) and the interfaces get up automatically if you want to |
| 12:01.15 | fireba11 | tarzeau: would be another way to do it .. i just set fixed IPs for clients .. would need to read up how to do it with dhcp ;-) |
| 12:01.36 | tarzeau | MoDaX: you know what sucks about the debian packages of oo2? !! Package openoffice.org-impress has `Section: ', but file is in `editors' !! |
| 12:01.43 | tarzeau | MoDaX: they don't have a Section: .. THAT SUCKS |
| 12:01.47 | ghenry | anyone recommend a http load testing tool? |
| 12:01.57 | tarzeau | ghenry: wget |
| 12:02.10 | fireba11 | tarzeau with a script for it i take it ? :-) |
| 12:02.17 | zamolxes | ghenry: ab :) |
| 12:02.19 | tarzeau | ghenry: and a set of differently sized files. which httpd are you testing? i think you mean httpd |
| 12:02.46 | ghenry | well, we've deployed a Catalyst site, so want to see how it holds up |
| 12:03.08 | ghenry | mod_perl2 |
| 12:03.13 | ghenry | and apache2 |
| 12:03.20 | ghenry | maybe ask in apache chan ;-) |
| 12:03.28 | zamolxes | ghenry: ab :) |
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| 12:03.44 | ktwilight | ghenry, or Siege :) |
| 12:03.47 | ghenry | ab |
| 12:03.51 | ghenry | searching |
| 12:04.18 | fireba11 | zamolxes: what the hell si ab ? |
| 12:04.20 | ghenry | cheers zamolxes http://funkload.nuxeo.org/ |
| 12:04.27 | ghenry | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/programs/ab.html |
| 12:04.33 | ktwilight | fireba11, apache benchmark program |
| 12:04.46 | zamolxes | ghenry: apache2-utils |
| 12:04.51 | ghenry | cheers |
| 12:05.29 | zamolxes | heh |
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| 12:07.13 | zamolxes | ghenry: http://www.cirt.net/code/nikto.shtml |
| 12:07.23 | ghenry | thanks |
| 12:07.26 | ghenry | ab looks good |
| 12:07.59 | simmerz | can i set grub up so that it always puts my evms initrd into menu.lst when it updates it? |
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| 12:11.31 | kados | I've got a weird problem on my debian sarge box ... when i type 'shutdown -r now' it claims it's going to reboot, but never does |
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| 12:12.38 | KiWiB0RG | this is somewhat of a lilo question, after i do a netinstall of debian and setup a software raid1 for /boot and raid5 for /, lilo successfully runs and everything, upon reboot i get L 99 99 99... the important lines in the stock lilo.conf seem to be boot=/dev/md0, root=/dev/md1 (the raid5 /), and raid-extra-boot=mbr-only... the filesystems are xfs on both the raid5 and raid1 arrays if that makes any difference, any pointers would be appreciated |
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| 12:12.57 | irfa1 | hi |
| 12:12.59 | weissi | kados, do you have a bit more information?? e.g. what's on the screen when it hangs, ...? |
| 12:13.29 | irfa1 | I am running Debain kernel (2.4.27-2-686), and would like to configure sound in that |
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| 12:13.57 | kados | weissi: I'm remote to the box, so it's all over ssh :( |
| 12:14.15 | kados | weissi: I get the standard: |
| 12:14.15 | kados | Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Tue Jul 4 01:55:10 2006): |
| 12:14.15 | kados | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 12:14.21 | kados | but nothing ever happens :( |
| 12:14.24 | weissi | kados, syslogs?? `last` |
| 12:14.32 | weissi | kados, ooh, is it away? |
| 12:14.33 | kados | checked, nothing strange in them |
| 12:14.49 | kados | syslog has: |
| 12:14.50 | kados | Jul 4 01:51:20 localhost shutdown[18865]: shutting down for system reboot |
| 12:14.50 | kados | Jul 4 01:51:20 localhost init: Switching to runlevel: 6 |
| 12:14.51 | kados | Jul 4 01:55:10 localhost shutdown[18896]: shutting down for system reboot |
| 12:14.51 | *** kick/#debian [kados!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood) |
| 12:15.01 | irfa1 | hi |
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| 12:15.16 | asg | irfa1: /msg dpkg sound |
| 12:15.41 | irfa1 | I installed alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 12:15.54 | irfa1 | but its giving error depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 12:16.01 | wols | asg: you psyhic now? :) |
| 12:16.12 | asg | wols: he asked a few minutes earlier ;) |
| 12:16.15 | cydork | hey what will be expression to match in no. with sed ? |
| 12:16.19 | weissi | ooh, debhelper, kicked because of a 4 line paste?? without saying anything before?? |
| 12:16.27 | asg | cydork: match Norway with sed? |
| 12:16.32 | cydork | hey what will be expression to match any no. with sed ? |
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| 12:16.36 | ataliba | good day, they alguem has some tip pra to emagrecer linux? former: to deletar /usr/share/doc... |
| 12:16.42 | asg | weissi: this is a high traffic channel |
| 12:16.59 | cydork | the total no of digits is not fixed |
| 12:17.00 | asg | !tell ataliba about br |
| 12:17.11 | irfa1 | hi |
| 12:17.24 | weissi | asg, good, ok, but I think this is to hard, a simple !paste would have been enough for the first time! |
| 12:17.24 | irfa1 | can anybody help me in configuring sound on debian |
| 12:17.28 | irfa1 | I am stuck |
| 12:17.36 | asg | cydork: [0-9]+ |
| 12:17.41 | asg | cydork: try #regex also |
| 12:17.52 | moshii | irfa1 apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 12:17.58 | moshii | irfa1 alsa-conf |
| 12:18.03 | irfa1 | they are installed |
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| 12:18.13 | war95 | KiWiB0RG: heh |
| 12:18.15 | asg | weissi: no, we gave up being nice a looooong time ago. Now the bot kicks on 4. |
| 12:18.17 | war95 | KiWiB0RG: you can only boot from raid1 |
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| 12:18.22 | war95 | KiWiB0RG: and the line you need is |
| 12:18.30 | war95 | raid-extra-boot="/dev/sda,/dev/sdb" |
| 12:18.55 | ataliba | thanks asg haha |
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| 12:19.23 | kados | weissi: still there? |
| 12:19.29 | KiWiB0RG | right, boot= is /dev/md0 which is raid1, and i actually tried the raid-extra-boot=/dev/sda,/dev/sdb but it said it would overrite the filesystem |
| 12:19.29 | kados | weissi: sorry, got kicked and didn't realize it |
| 12:19.39 | weissi | asg, I know, I'm here often, but couldn't you just do it on the second paste? |
| 12:19.43 | KiWiB0RG | so i'm wondering if maybe i should put something besides xfs as the /boot filesystem |
| 12:19.46 | weissi | kados, :-) |
| 12:19.55 | KiWiB0RG | or if it's just something wonky with lilo |
| 12:19.55 | war95 | KiWiB0RG: correct |
| 12:19.56 | irfa1 | I am getting error when completing alsaconf /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-intel8x0.o: init_module: No such device |
| 12:19.59 | kados | anyway, nothing strange in the syslog |
| 12:20.03 | war95 | KiWiB0RG: you need to use ext3 /boot |
| 12:20.06 | KiWiB0RG | ah |
| 12:20.07 | war95 | KiWiB0RG: I ran into the same problem |
| 12:20.09 | netcatc | hello ALL |
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| 12:20.15 | kados | weissi: I also tried the 'reboot' command |
| 12:20.18 | KiWiB0RG | great, i've been battling with this all day hah |
| 12:20.21 | war95 | np. |
| 12:20.23 | KiWiB0RG | thanks, i'll give it a shot |
| 12:20.27 | KiWiB0RG | :] |
| 12:20.36 | kados | weissi: reason I want to reboot is I just upgraded the kernel |
| 12:20.46 | kados | weissi: could that have screwed up the reboot routines or something? |
| 12:20.48 | netcatc | can someone help me with this error? |
| 12:20.55 | netcatc | error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:21.06 | weissi | kados, and you're sure the kernel works, did you install a correct initrd?? |
| 12:21.07 | fireba11 | war95: you can't have boot on xfs ? |
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| 12:21.18 | kados | weissi: I just did 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 12:21.28 | kados | weissi: and it installed |
| 12:21.30 | weissi | kados, on sarge? |
| 12:21.33 | kados | weissi: yep |
| 12:21.58 | weissi | kados, I had the same problem, I'm pretty sure you initrd is missing you NIC driver or so... |
| 12:22.08 | kados | shoot |
| 12:22.09 | war95 | fireba11: correect |
| 12:22.14 | war95 | fireba11: not in his setup |
| 12:22.24 | kados | weissi: is that gonna be hard to fix? |
| 12:22.37 | irfa1 | sound problem: /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
| 12:22.38 | fireba11 | war95: so i can't just have / on xfs without amking an extra /boot partition ? |
| 12:22.39 | asg | netcatc: ls -l /lib/libm.so.6 |
| 12:22.54 | kados | weissi: 2.6.8-3 is what I upgraded to |
| 12:23.12 | ktwilight | yes you can boot on xfs, but not grub, only lilo |
| 12:23.14 | weissi | kados, edit /etc/initrdtools/modules (not really sure about the path), and enter one module per line |
| 12:23.43 | war95 | fireba11: in his situation he needs 3 partitions, / , /boot and swap for raid1 |
| 12:23.44 | weissi | kados, the do mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-your-kernel-version and in grub config add the option initrd /initrd-your-kernel |
| 12:23.49 | fireba11 | ktwilight: so grub doesn't know xfs ?? :-/ |
| 12:23.50 | war95 | fireba11: you can if you don't want a raid1 |
| 12:24.13 | ktwilight | don't think so fireball. |
| 12:24.23 | ktwilight | you can always put /boot as ext3, and the rest xfs. that should work |
| 12:24.28 | fireba11 | war95: hum .. why is that ? hta'ts what i would have done on my next servers .. raid1 with only /swap and / as partitions and / xfs .. so that won't work ? |
| 12:24.34 | kados | weissi: I've already got 'initrd /initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686' in grub |
| 12:24.44 | kados | weissi: this would be the first restart since I upgraded ... |
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| 12:25.01 | moshii | ktwilight um you can use grub with xfs .. |
| 12:25.14 | ktwilight | weird~ i couldn't get it running |
| 12:25.15 | kados | weissi: etc/modules already has some lines in it |
| 12:25.17 | weissi | kados, ok, but I think this initrd does not contain your nic-driver/ide/scsi-driver, ... |
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| 12:25.39 | war95 | fireba11: then they are not true raid1 |
| 12:25.45 | kados | weissi: what would make you say that? |
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| 12:25.54 | kados | weissi: why wouldn't debian just 'do the right thing'? |
| 12:25.57 | weissi | kados, yes but these modules get loaded too late sometimes |
| 12:26.02 | war95 | fireba11: the way I did it was /boot (ext3) , / and swap and ihave disconnected the other disk to test it,it works |
| 12:26.08 | kados | weissi: and what does this have to do with my not being able to reboot? |
| 12:26.17 | weissi | kados, I thought it would, too, but I had exactly the same problem... |
| 12:26.31 | kados | weissi: can I just uninstall the kernel? |
| 12:27.10 | weissi | kados, mine's contains: piix ide-core pdc202xx_new ide-detect 8139too (space means newline) |
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| 12:27.27 | fireba11 | war95: what you mean "not true raid1" ? |
| 12:27.59 | kados | weissi: I have: ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic psmouse sd_mod |
| 12:28.08 | war95 | fireba11: /boot needs to be on ext3. |
| 12:28.12 | weissi | kados, add your nic driver |
| 12:28.22 | kados | weissi: how can I gell waht it is? |
| 12:28.32 | kados | weissi: tell what it is? :-) |
| 12:28.36 | fireba11 | war95: why ? |
| 12:28.47 | war95 | fireba11: ask KiWiB0RG |
| 12:28.49 | war95 | :) |
| 12:29.01 | KiWiB0RG | L 99 99 99 99 99 :D |
| 12:29.07 | weissi | kados, try `lspci| grep -i ethernet` |
| 12:29.46 | war95 | fireba11: there you go :) |
| 12:30.13 | kados | weissi: I have two: |
| 12:30.15 | kados | weissi: Intel Corp. 82541GI/PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) |
| 12:30.22 | kados | weissi: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11) |
| 12:31.03 | weissi | kados, try `lsmod | grep e1000` |
| 12:31.19 | kados | weissi: e1000 85828 0 |
| 12:32.25 | kados | weissi: I still don't grok why not having entries in /etc/modules is related to not being able to reboot ... |
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| 12:33.04 | kados | weissi: e1000 85828 0 |
| 12:33.04 | kados | weissi: I still don't grok why not having entries in /etc/modules is related to not being able to reboot ... |
| 12:33.04 | weissi | kados, and now `lsmod | grep br` |
| 12:33.20 | kados | weissi: nothing |
| 12:33.23 | weissi | kados, I think you reboot works but the boot afterwards does not |
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| 12:33.45 | kados | weissi: ? ... I'm logged into the machine via SSH ... if it had rebooted I would have noticed :-) |
| 12:33.46 | weissi | kados, and now `lsmod | grep tg3` |
| 12:34.10 | kados | weissi: tg3 74384 0 |
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| 12:34.12 | kados | weissi: firmware_class 10176 1 tg3 |
| 12:34.14 | weissi | kados, no, because it probably doesn't get any ip using dhcp, because no nic drivers |
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| 12:34.24 | adrakoa | hi |
| 12:34.24 | kados | ?? |
| 12:34.33 | weissi | kados, ok, that's the second echo tg3 >> /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 12:34.35 | kados | weissi: dude, I'm logged in via ssh |
| 12:34.47 | kados | weissi: it has an IP :-) |
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| 12:34.56 | weissi | kados, what? it didn't shutdown?? |
| 12:35.01 | kados | weissi: right |
| 12:35.06 | kados | weissi: not shutting down at all |
| 12:35.17 | weissi | kados, I thought it didn't come back and you did an emergency reboot with the old kernel :-)) |
| 12:35.25 | weissi | kados, sorry!! |
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| 12:35.40 | kados | weissi: no :-), sorry for not being clear ... |
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| 12:35.54 | kados | weissi: it's not shutting down at all :-) |
| 12:36.05 | weissi | kados, do as root: init 6 |
| 12:36.06 | kados | (I put tg3 in just to be safe) |
| 12:36.19 | kados | weissi: should I worry about the kernel not loading my scsii drives? |
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| 12:37.30 | weissi | kados, later :-) |
| 12:37.40 | kados | weissi: does debian save a copy of the old modules file? |
| 12:37.47 | weissi | kados, scsi should also be in initrd if you boot from scsi |
| 12:37.51 | kados | weissi: well ... if the scsii drives don't work, the machine won't boot |
| 12:37.57 | weissi | kados, but now, you have to reboot :-) |
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| 12:38.05 | kados | ? |
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| 12:38.27 | kados | weissi: 0000:00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5R) SATA (cc=RAID) (rev 02) |
| 12:38.33 | weissi | kados, clear, but your problem is, that you can't reboot |
| 12:38.41 | ebiga | hi all |
| 12:38.45 | ebiga | need help pls |
| 12:38.59 | kados | weissi: should I change the default boot to the old kernel in grub so the machine will at least boot? |
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| 12:39.09 | weissi | kados, very good idea! |
| 12:39.17 | yannick | what are these days good audio players |
| 12:39.20 | ebiga | CONFIGURE ERROR: |
| 12:39.20 | ebiga | ### Can not find the X libraries. |
| 12:39.20 | ebiga | ### Make sure that X is installed on your system and try to run configure again, |
| 12:39.20 | ebiga | ### this time passing the --x-includes and --x-libraries options. |
| 12:39.20 | ebiga | ### You may also take a look at the config.log file in this directory, |
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| 12:39.23 | weissi | kados, for SATA you need libata atapi_enable=1 |
| 12:39.23 | yannick | it seems to be xmms is a little bit outdated |
| 12:39.31 | yannick | and it doesn't support the audio files I want to play |
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| 12:39.40 | yannick | nor any plugins for it (m4a) |
| 12:39.51 | kados | weissi: so change 'default 0' to 'default 2'? |
| 12:39.58 | kados | weissi: in the menu.1st? |
| 12:40.02 | weissi | kados, in grub, yeah! |
| 12:40.22 | kados | weissi: where is the old modules file kept? |
| 12:40.27 | kados | weissi: for the old kernel? |
| 12:40.33 | weissi | kados, modules /lib/modules/<kernel-version/ |
| 12:40.34 | ebiga | Can not find the X libraries. |
| 12:40.34 | ebiga | ### Make sure that X is installed on your system and try to run configure again |
| 12:40.44 | weissi | kados, aah, that one |
| 12:40.51 | ebiga | need command to install x |
| 12:40.53 | ebiga | pls |
| 12:40.55 | weissi | kados, did your old kernel already have an initrd? |
| 12:41.03 | kados | weissi: yea |
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| 12:41.10 | plasmoduck | whats hte command to setup my network card with dhcp?> |
| 12:41.14 | weissi | kados, then it should be the same |
| 12:41.15 | kados | weissi: all I did was apt-get upgrade :( |
| 12:41.20 | nefertum | i've installed amarok in debian unstable and it doesn't start |
| 12:41.36 | kados | weissi: init 6 is a reboot, not a shutdown? |
| 12:41.37 | nefertum | i had installed it, i removed it to install svn version, and now it doesnt work |
| 12:41.42 | weissi | kados, kernels also work without initrd, you can compile the critical modules in the kernel itself |
| 12:41.55 | weissi | kados, 0: halt, 6: reboot |
| 12:42.05 | kados | here goes |
| 12:42.38 | kados | nothing is happening :( |
| 12:42.51 | dimir | just wait! |
| 12:42.54 | kados | help, my machine won't shut down :-) |
| 12:43.06 | dimir | It's not rebooting? |
| 12:43.18 | kados | nope |
| 12:43.25 | kados | not shutting down |
| 12:43.36 | dimir | init didn't give errors? |
| 12:43.45 | dimir | Are you rewt? |
| 12:43.45 | kados | where? |
| 12:43.49 | kados | I'm root |
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| 12:43.53 | weissi | kados, check dmesg, /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog |
| 12:44.18 | kados | nothing in any of them |
| 12:44.26 | weissi | kados, do `tail -f /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog &` and then `init 6` |
| 12:45.03 | kados | where can I paste this ? |
| 12:45.08 | weissi | #flood |
| 12:46.13 | weissi | kados, that's normal, it's cron, VERY STRANGE |
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| 12:46.54 | kados | ak, pasted |
| 12:47.05 | weissi | kados, would a halt be ok?? |
| 12:47.24 | kados | I have no way to press power on the box :-) |
| 12:47.29 | weissi | kados, shit |
| 12:47.39 | dimir | kados: /sbin/reboot |
| 12:47.42 | kados | esp since the site is closed for the holiday |
| 12:47.56 | weissi | dimir, init 6, reboot and shutdown -r now do not work |
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| 12:48.10 | dimir | Ah, OK. |
| 12:48.15 | ebiga | pls |
| 12:48.16 | weissi | kados, /etc/init.d/<service> stop EVERYTHING you don't need now |
| 12:48.21 | ebiga | need command to install x |
| 12:48.21 | weissi | kados, then try reboot again |
| 12:48.25 | dimir | was too lazy to scroll up. :-P |
| 12:48.25 | ebiga | X libraries |
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| 12:48.41 | asg | ebiga: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 12:48.54 | ebiga | sarge |
| 12:49.01 | asg | ebiga: install xlibs-dev |
| 12:49.09 | ebiga | ths |
| 12:49.40 | weissi | kados, sorry, school's out, we have to leave the room now :-( |
| 12:49.47 | kados | weissi: mysql, apache, and proftpd stopped |
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| 12:49.59 | kados | weissi: :-) |
| 12:50.11 | weissi | kados, good, cron, atd, ... too :-) |
| 12:50.16 | weissi | kados, then try again |
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| 12:51.02 | kados | weissi: still nothing :( |
| 12:51.02 | weissi | kados, if you vote for halt: echo 5 > /proc/acpi/sleep :-)) shuts down immetiately, but doesn't come back!!! |
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| 12:51.04 | kados | weissi: thx |
| 12:51.06 | weissi | kados, then sorry, I have to go, ask once more in this channel, perhaps someone can help you |
| 12:51.07 | weissi | sorry |
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| 12:51.41 | kados | help, my machine won't shutdown when I try to type 'reboot' 'init 6' or 'shutdown -r now' |
| 12:52.32 | azeem | kados: what happens instead? |
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| 12:52.46 | kados | azeem: nothing happens |
| 12:52.56 | azeem | so you type reboot, and no output? |
| 12:53.09 | kados | azeem: I get the standard broadcast message |
| 12:53.20 | azeem | kados: that's not `nothing' |
| 12:53.21 | kados | azeem: but nothing ever happens ... the machine continues to run |
| 12:53.35 | kados | azeem: right, sorry |
| 12:53.52 | azeem | does init 1 put you into single user mode, for example? |
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| 12:54.19 | kados | azeem: can I do that and still have network access? I'm remote to the machine and there's noone onsite |
| 12:54.43 | azeem | kados: oh, probably not |
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| 12:57.05 | kados | azeem: could this be a hardware prob? |
| 12:58.46 | asg | kados: did you check /etc/inittab to verify that runlevel 6 is defined? |
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| 12:59.26 | r3c4ll | somebody has installed oscinventory? |
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| 12:59.33 | kados | asg: I just did 'reboot -f' which may have worked ... we'll see if it comes back up :/ |
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| 13:03.32 | kados | yay, it came back :-) |
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| 13:06.59 | mesut | hi,on gnome, when the mouse cursor is on taskbar, the mouse scroll works like [ALT][tab] (switches tasks). this is annoying with a touchpad. anyone know how to disable it ? |
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| 13:11.48 | tarzeau | mesut: try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:12.01 | tarzeau | r3c4ll: yes we also do |
| 13:12.12 | tarzeau | r3c4ll: with a few patches.. if you mean ocsinventory |
| 13:12.19 | tarzeau | r3c4ll: you run it only on linux? |
| 13:12.25 | mesut | tarzeau, ok. ty |
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| 13:12.49 | r3c4ll | tarzeau, no linux sarge it's only the server but all clients are win XP |
| 13:13.09 | farous_ | kados: i knew i seen a kernel compilation option for your prob. If you compile your kernel under processor type and features check enable x86 specif fixups. given you run 2.6 kernel |
| 13:13.55 | tarzeau | r3c4ll: no mac os x? |
| 13:14.10 | r3c4ll | tarzeau, no only xp |
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| 13:15.00 | mesut | l8r |
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| 13:16.10 | Topan | allo |
| 13:16.16 | zorrolero | hi, i'm using the debian-dancer-ircd-package and wonder how to disable nickchanges...any hints? |
| 13:18.12 | fireba11 | zorrolero: disable nickchanges ? |
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| 13:20.00 | vaggie | How do i create an image of a dir? |
| 13:20.19 | asg | vaggie: what do you mean by 'image' ? |
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| 13:21.35 | sep | vaggie, ls /path/dir, grab your digital camera and take a picture of your scrren ? ;), or do you mean tar -cvzf filenasme.tar.gz /path/dir ? |
| 13:21.51 | r3c4ll | what is the default user and password for phpmyadmin in sarge apache2? |
| 13:22.07 | asg | r3c4ll: check /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/* |
| 13:22.33 | r3c4ll | asg if i want read a dont question here :P |
| 13:22.59 | asg | r3c4ll: if you can't be bothered to do the minimal research, we can't be bothered to help |
| 13:23.09 | zorrolero | fireba11: yes, i work on a web-chat with cgi:irc and dancer-ircd and don't want the users to change their nick |
| 13:23.23 | vaggie | E: Cannot get debconf version. Is debconf installed? |
| 13:23.23 | vaggie | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 12 package `tcpd': |
| 13:23.28 | vaggie | when i try apt-get install debconf |
| 13:23.36 | vaggie | how do i fix that? |
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| 13:28.30 | Hoxzer | does debian contain any good utility to keep your packages updated easily and safely? |
| 13:28.41 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
| 13:28.43 | wols | it'S called apt-get |
| 13:29.35 | Hoxzer | wols: I have heard that apt-get dist-upgrade isn't the smartest idea |
| 13:29.37 | fireba11 | Hoxzer and if you need more you might want to have a look at cron-apt |
| 13:29.47 | farous_ | Hoxzer: i will just add it is one of the strongest points of debian |
| 13:29.55 | fireba11 | Hoxzer you should normally do only apt-get upgrade |
| 13:30.25 | Hoxzer | fireba11: yeah, but we're talking about updating packages not repos ;) |
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| 13:31.20 | wols | Hoxzer: then you heard wrong. Debian stable is just that: stable. If you run testing or unstable then you should know better than even ask such a question |
| 13:31.26 | Hoxzer | oops :D it was apt-get update |
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| 13:31.31 | Hoxzer | not apt-get upgrade |
| 13:31.45 | zorrolero | fireba11: any hints? is there an irc-channel for dancer-ircd somewhere? |
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| 13:32.26 | zorrolero | fireba11: #dancer on freenode redirects to #Hyperion :( |
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| 13:33.05 | yxa | how do I use touch to date a file x secs from now? |
| 13:33.20 | LinuxHelp | I have three mirrors in my sources.list, how can I make apt use all of them simultaneously? |
| 13:33.33 | LinuxHelp | apt-get update is done |
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| 13:34.16 | LinuxHelp | when downloading, it only ever uses the first one |
| 13:34.41 | orchid | LinuxHelp: 3 mirrors pointing to the same repo's? like stable? or three mirrors pointing to different stuff, like stable, non-free etc? |
| 13:35.07 | LinuxHelp | three mirrors all indentical except for server address |
| 13:35.34 | orchid | if the former, theres no advantage of having 3 mirrors, although keeping a backup mirror commented out is sometimes useful |
| 13:35.34 | LinuxHelp | they're all : main contrib non-free |
| 13:35.44 | orchid | then pick one |
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| 13:36.05 | fireba11 | zorrolero: don't know .. was just curious about the reasons |
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| 13:36.23 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
| 13:36.28 | LinuxHelp | oh, I was under the impression apt-get would download faster from multiple mirrors |
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| 13:36.37 | zorrolero | fireba11: ok, thx anyways |
| 13:36.53 | orchid | LinuxHelp: nah, but you can not the speeds as it downloads and try other mirriors |
| 13:37.01 | orchid | s/not/note |
| 13:37.29 | LinuxHelp | kk |
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| 13:42.45 | orchid | LinuxHelp: there's also apt-spy and netselect-apt, help you find the fastest mirror (back up your sources.list first though) |
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| 13:42.48 | DragonD | Hello. |
| 13:42.58 | LinuxHelp | thx |
| 13:43.43 | vaggie | Is it possibel to create a .img file of a directory? |
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| 13:43.50 | DragonD | how do i install xorg? when i do apt-get install xserver-xorg i get package not found. |
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| 13:45.09 | cydork | DragonD: have you ran apt-get update? |
| 13:46.12 | DragonD | yeah |
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| 13:48.10 | DragonD | cydork: what dist do i need for xorg? |
| 13:48.36 | streuner | DragonD: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 13:49.21 | cydork | DragonD: xorg is there in every dist so there is no problem of that. |
| 13:49.30 | yxa | how do I use touch to date a file x secs from CURRENT TIME? |
| 13:50.16 | DragonD | streuner 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 13:50.18 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
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| 13:50.31 | cydork | yxa: man touch |
| 13:50.37 | DragonD | cydork, maybe i need a diff mirror |
| 13:50.40 | streuner | DragonD: go to backports.org and read instructions |
| 13:51.13 | yxa | cydork been through it, no idae how to do it |
| 13:51.49 | vaggie | Is it possibel to create a .img file of a directory? |
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| 13:52.05 | fireba11 | vaggie: what type of image ? what you want to achieve ? |
| 13:52.14 | vaggie | iso |
| 13:52.15 | streuner | vaggie: man mkisofs? |
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| 13:52.36 | cydork | yxa: you can use -t |
| 13:52.39 | fireba11 | vaggie: to answer your question: yes :-) |
| 13:53.21 | yxa | cydork but how do I get the current time in the first place? |
| 13:53.40 | DragonD | cydork: xorg is in every dist? |
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| 13:56.37 | deufo | hi, i got a problem with firestarter, i didnt add any serivces to it by when i nmap it, it still shows open ports |
| 13:57.02 | cydork | DragonD: it's there in etch and sid. I am not sure about sarge though |
| 13:57.19 | asg | cydork: it isn't in sarge |
| 13:57.45 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
| 13:57.59 | cydork | DragonD: Then you should use backports.org as streuner said. |
| 13:58.52 | DragonD | what about using etch or sid? could i just change over to one of them? |
| 13:59.24 | cydork | DragonD: you can do apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to etch or sid. |
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| 13:59.32 | Administrator | hello |
| 13:59.51 | Hoxzer | THE GIIRl is goooneee |
| 13:59.58 | Hoxzer | and now I'm forced to seeee |
| 14:00.01 | Hoxzer | what song? |
| 14:00.08 | asg | Hoxzer: we don't care |
| 14:00.12 | Hoxzer | :P |
| 14:00.22 | Hoxzer | but soul, this song has it |
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| 14:00.41 | asg | Hoxzer: the /j #soul and have fun |
| 14:00.46 | Administrator | If i make limits.conf not readable for the user, would it limits.conf still apply for that user? |
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| 14:01.03 | lefti | I have mounted root from another system to /mnt/tmp, I can't chroot. Can I install software to this mounted system via apt? |
| 14:01.06 | asg | Administrator: it should since it's read by PAM |
| 14:01.28 | Administrator | asg and pam could read sinds it has setuid? |
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| 14:02.15 | peterS | Administrator: all pam apps have to run as root - several pam modules require this |
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| 14:02.22 | redhog | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.23 | peterS | Administrator: so it's safe to assume |
| 14:02.47 | CalvadoS | hello, I need to upgrade my php4 and apache1 to php5 and apache2 is there any usefull documents about it ? |
| 14:03.22 | peterS | CalvadoS: it's mainly a matter of installing packages. then of course migrating any customisations of /etc/apache/httpd.conf over to /etc/apache2/ |
| 14:03.37 | CalvadoS | hmm |
| 14:03.40 | Administrator | Is it possible for a user to override the limits.conf settings? |
| 14:03.45 | CalvadoS | doesnt it make problem when I install php4 and php5 at same time ? |
| 14:03.49 | peterS | Administrator: users can override soft limits, not hard limits |
| 14:04.02 | peterS | you're allowed to define both kinds, I believe |
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| 14:04.35 | peterS | CalvadoS: I wouldn't advise loading both modules into the same apache instance at the same time. but I guess they can both exist on the system at once. |
| 14:04.37 | Jamster | CalvadoS: nope. why install both tho? |
| 14:04.52 | Jamster | Was about to say..I think you can only load one at a time. |
| 14:05.35 | redhog | There _are_ software that requires php4 and can't work with php5... I've seen such crap... It's not hard to port, but if you have to change one million places in some code you've never hacked... |
| 14:05.45 | CalvadoS | Jamster I'll migrate I dont want to run both of them :) |
| 14:06.05 | CalvadoS | well if php5 makes problem I'll load php4 module instead so both of them should be installed |
| 14:06.15 | asg | CalvadoS: or run two virtualized systems; one running 4 and one running 5 |
| 14:06.15 | DragonD | cydork: which is testing etch or sid? |
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| 14:06.30 | asg | DragonD: etch |
| 14:06.31 | peterS | virtualised systems, bah - just run two instances on different ports |
| 14:06.36 | CalvadoS | peterS, im not familiar with debian at all, apt-get install apache2 is failing |
| 14:06.42 | CalvadoS | isnt that the magic command to get it up ? |
| 14:06.45 | asg | peterS: doesn't apache conflict with apache2 though? |
| 14:06.58 | CalvadoS | asg, it does i think :) |
| 14:07.05 | peterS | asg: I don't think it used to |
| 14:07.11 | CalvadoS | apache2: Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.54-5) but it is not going to be installed or |
| 14:07.13 | peterS | CalvadoS: there are multiple possible apache2 packages. ("is failing" is not very descriptive either.) you want apache2-mpm-prefork, probably |
| 14:07.19 | CalvadoS | and it has some small packages |
| 14:07.33 | CalvadoS | peterS, yes it is so I need to install these too ? |
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| 14:07.48 | DragonD | And how do i upgrade to etch? |
| 14:07.57 | asg | peterS: well, at least in sarge, it looks like apache and apache2 can co-exist |
| 14:07.58 | peterS | CalvadoS: there are multiple apache2-mpm-* choices, the one you probably want is apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 14:08.07 | streuner | DragonD: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:08.16 | streuner | DragonD: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 14:08.25 | CalvadoS | oh. i have high usage I and I leak on memory |
| 14:08.56 | CalvadoS | i have 512 ram with me and have up to 300 connections which would suit me ? |
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| 14:09.14 | peterS | I say apache2-mpm-prefork for two reasons. one, it's the most stable. two, last I heard, it's the only one php supports. |
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| 14:09.24 | peterS | reason two might be out of date with php5, I do not know |
| 14:09.36 | CalvadoS | ok than mpm-prefork ok |
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| 14:10.03 | peterS | CalvadoS: ah yes, there it is, 'libapache2-mod-php5' requires 'apache2-mpm-prefork' indeed. |
| 14:10.14 | peterS | CalvadoS: that, btw, is the other thing you want, libapache2-mod-php5. |
| 14:10.32 | peterS | and it looks like you can't install libapache2-mod-php4 at the same time. more's the pity. |
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| 14:11.19 | peterS | however, libapache-mod-php4 and libapache2-mod-php5 can coexist, as can apache and apache2-mpm-prefork. so two separate web servers, run them on two separate ports, use two separate phps, For Great Justice |
| 14:11.22 | CalvadoS | ok ok it gets more depencies. apache2-common , libapache-mod-security: Depends: mod-security-common, Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed |
| 14:11.32 | wols | wouldn't make much sense to have php5 and php4 at the same time, would it? |
| 14:11.35 | CalvadoS | does it matter if I do -f ? |
| 14:11.45 | asg | wols: unless he's running two applications that require such a setup |
| 14:11.50 | wols | CalvadoS: you are mixing stable and others? |
| 14:11.52 | peterS | wols: not both loaded, but you don't have to load every installed apache module |
| 14:11.55 | CalvadoS | peters I mean apach1 + php4 module and apache2 + php5 module |
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| 14:12.11 | CalvadoS | so I guess it wont cause any problem |
| 14:12.28 | wols | how would your run apache1 and apache2 at the same time? different ports? |
| 14:12.33 | asg | wols: yes |
| 14:12.38 | peterS | CalvadoS: yeah, libc6 2.3.6-6 means you're using testing or unstable, 2.3.2.ds1 means you're using stable. I guess make up your mind which one you want |
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| 14:12.54 | lelu | anyone know where i should save http://counter.li.org/scripts/machine-update so as it runs from the command line? |
| 14:12.55 | peterS | wols: people do that all the time, yeah |
| 14:12.56 | asg | wols: or have one listen on 80 and proxy requests to the other using mod_proxy |
| 14:13.03 | peterS | asg: ewwww |
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| 14:13.25 | LinuxHelp | how can I shutdown X (xdm), without changing runlevels? |
| 14:13.31 | CalvadoS | peters: so if I install 2.3.2.ds1 than other packages will make problem or ? |
| 14:13.34 | asg | peterS: we do it to save money on certs. |
| 14:13.40 | peterS | wols: or for that matter different IP addresses, if you happen to have more than one for your server |
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| 14:13.55 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
| 14:14.03 | peterS | CalvadoS: you have to decide whether you are using debian stable or debian testing. right now you are trying to use both. |
| 14:14.25 | LinuxHelp | oh, nm |
| 14:14.30 | CalvadoS | peters: hmm is it about debian ? I just want apache2 |
| 14:14.33 | CalvadoS | without modify anything |
| 14:14.38 | peterS | CalvadoS: you have to decide whether you are using debian stable or debian testing. right now you are trying to use both. |
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| 14:15.08 | peterS | CalvadoS: yes, it's about debian. the apache packages you are installing are from testing, but your system is from stable. make up your mind. |
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| 14:15.16 | incorrect | whats a good mysql quit front end? |
| 14:15.35 | Mavez | Jack Bauer doesn't have a firewall on his PC. He has a Bauerwall. It's basically just a JPEG of Jack Bauer. No virus has ever attacked Jack Bauer's PC. Ever. |
| 14:16.03 | nabber | lol |
| 14:16.03 | CalvadoS | peterS how can I find apache's stable package for my system than ? |
| 14:16.12 | wols | that's cause Jack bauer's PC is not a PC but just a movie prop that looks like a PC. it's all cardboard |
| 14:16.18 | azeem | W14 |
| 14:16.20 | azeem | blah |
| 14:16.25 | peterS | CalvadoS: I have no idea how you ended up getting a mod-security-common from testing without having a system running testing |
| 14:16.28 | Mavez | can i apt-get bauerwall? |
| 14:16.34 | peterS | CalvadoS: what command did you use to try to install these packages? |
| 14:16.36 | peterS | Mavez: yes. |
| 14:16.39 | Mavez | excellent |
| 14:16.52 | peterS | Mavez: it's a special built-in apt-get command that prints a big jpeg to your terminal |
| 14:16.55 | CalvadoS | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.11 | Mavez | i will get it straight away |
| 14:17.12 | CalvadoS | well I may installed mod-security-common before with forcing i think :D |
| 14:17.50 | CalvadoS | peterS, well I can remove mod-security-common its no matter |
| 14:18.00 | peterS | CalvadoS: probably a good idea, it seems to be causing problems |
| 14:18.35 | CalvadoS | well as i said im not familiar with debian packages system |
| 14:18.52 | CalvadoS | how can I safe remove apache1 and its packages and install apache + php5 ? |
| 14:19.11 | peterS | you can remove packages with 'apt-get remove' |
| 14:19.30 | peterS | but you can install apache2 without removing apache, if you'd rather, for the time period where you're migrating things over |
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| 14:19.42 | peterS | just run apache2 on some port other than 80 and the system won't mind a bit |
| 14:20.05 | CalvadoS | peterS but it gives some failure when I try to install |
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| 14:20.21 | CalvadoS | mod_sec etc. and also I cant remove mod_sec it gives some errors too |
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| 14:20.55 | peterS | never heard of mod_sec. I think you are being too specific, you should explain your errors more vaguely |
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| 14:21.24 | CalvadoS | hmm |
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| 14:22.07 | CalvadoS | ok I'll paste them to pastebin |
| 14:22.09 | CalvadoS | what I get |
| 14:22.10 | vaggie | i got a BASE.iso . How can i with dd tell base.iso to be "unzippet" at /dev/vg0/lamp ? |
| 14:22.40 | peterS | vaggie: use mount -o loop,ro -t iso9660 and cp -r |
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| 14:22.55 | lefti | Exists better version of debootstrap? |
| 14:22.55 | shaibn | hi :) no matter what I try, i can't get telnetd to answer under inetd ... does anyone have any clues what I can check? |
| 14:23.01 | vaggie | peterS: can't it be done with dd ? |
| 14:23.07 | peterS | vaggie: why would you want to do it with dd? |
| 14:23.13 | lefti | If I install debian with debootstrap, why I haven't apt in system?? |
| 14:23.19 | vaggie | peterS: well it's easier? |
| 14:23.24 | lefti | and function network |
| 14:23.29 | peterS | vaggie: I can't think how that would possibly work |
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| 14:24.01 | Hoxzer | > |
| 14:24.12 | Hoxzer | >:/ I'm Invisible MAaqan |
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| 14:24.24 | peterS | vaggie: dd is like cp but harder to use. it doesn't expand iso-9660 filesystems. |
| 14:25.25 | CalvadoS | peterS: pastebin not responding I guess i couldnt paste it. can I paste it to your query ? |
| 14:25.26 | peterS | shaibn: '/etc/init.d/inetd reload' after modifying /etc/inetd.conf. check to see if port 23 is firewalled somewhere. check your inetd.conf syntax, which is a bit tricky |
| 14:25.47 | peterS | CalvadoS: which pastebin did you use? paster is usually around |
| 14:25.52 | peterS | !paster |
| 14:25.53 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 14:26.16 | CalvadoS | ok I'll use these altarnatives |
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| 14:26.34 | peterS | pastebin.ca tends to be slow, at least for me - the other works better |
| 14:26.36 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
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| 14:26.45 | cusco | I like rafb.net/paste |
| 14:26.49 | cusco | no ads |
| 14:26.53 | cusco | treight forward |
| 14:27.09 | cast | indeed. and rafb is a nice acronym |
| 14:27.14 | peterS | what are these 'ads' of which you speak? you use paste sites with a _graphical_ browser or something? |
| 14:27.23 | CalvadoS | well .ca worked. http://pastebin.ca/78737 |
| 14:27.24 | tarzeau | can someone tell me what that is? 4.0000000000e+01 |
| 14:27.34 | peterS | tarzeau: 40 |
| 14:27.45 | wols | a floatingpoint number? |
| 14:27.47 | tarzeau | peterS: but is there a tool i can give such numbers and have it print 40? |
| 14:27.55 | tarzeau | wols: no |
| 14:28.02 | yang | is there a script like "pppoeconf" in etch? |
| 14:28.16 | wols | yang: packages.debian.org knows |
| 14:28.16 | tarzeau | yang: yes |
| 14:28.37 | peterS | tarzeau: perl -le 'print 4.000000000e+01' |
| 14:28.54 | cusco | peterS: anything wrong with graphical browser? |
| 14:28.57 | kdm_probleme | if u use kde the app taskbar' builtin calc applet does |
| 14:29.08 | peterS | cusco: it has this annoying property of showing you ads |
| 14:29.14 | kdm_probleme | tarzeau: |
| 14:29.28 | tarzeau | peterS: that's even better: printf "%0.0f\n" 4.000000000e+01 |
| 14:29.30 | cusco | peterS: thats ehy there is rabf.net/paste |
| 14:29.32 | cusco | no ads. |
| 14:29.36 | wols | peterS: you have the wron graphical browser |
| 14:29.40 | tarzeau | kdm_probleme: i don't need some gui app to do that |
| 14:29.47 | peterS | cusco: for paste sites, you already know ahead of time that you don't need any graphics. the whole point of a paste site is to present text |
| 14:29.57 | kdm_probleme | ah |
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| 14:30.00 | shaibn | peterS, thanks but I've already checked all these... this all happend since I installed a packages called inetutils-inetd |
| 14:30.03 | peterS | wols: au contraire, I have exactly the right text browser |
| 14:30.15 | asg | tarzeau: you mean you aren't going to tout the joys of calc.app? :) |
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| 14:30.28 | wols | well, the web was designed for graphics, so it's sill to use text browsers :) |
| 14:30.31 | CalvadoS | peterS, have you checked http://pastebin.ca/78737 ? |
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| 14:30.34 | peterS | yes |
| 14:30.34 | wols | html 1.0 had an image tag you know :) |
| 14:30.37 | peterS | geez |
| 14:30.52 | cusco | peterS: never the less... you can use graphical browser like *majority* also with no ads |
| 14:31.00 | cusco | thats why we are free to have a choice |
| 14:31.09 | cusco | choices between graphical and text-based braosers |
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| 14:31.19 | raf256 | can I run a linux (with boot process and all) in some emulator? I want to debug/record very early kernel crash |
| 14:31.22 | cusco | so each one uses what he prefers |
| 14:31.25 | cusco | with no ads |
| 14:31.25 | raf256 | at very begin of booting |
| 14:31.26 | phogg | I've finally gone ahead and let udev (from sid) install so I could get an app I wanted. I've got a custom kernel without udev support. If I reboot now will I succeed or will udev conflicts render my devices unfindable? |
| 14:31.33 | tarzeau | asg: you mean edenmath.app or stepulator.app ? |
| 14:31.36 | peterS | cusco: yes, to me, having choice means not having to take people like you seriously when you try to pressure me into using a graphical browser. I can just laugh instead. |
| 14:31.37 | asg | raf256: qemu |
| 14:31.40 | asg | tarzeau: :) |
| 14:31.49 | raf256 | there is debian pack for it? |
| 14:31.52 | raf256 | !info qemu |
| 14:31.53 | asg | raf256: there is |
| 14:32.03 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3047 kB, Installed size: 8456 kB |
| 14:32.05 | wols | CalvadoS: dpkg -r libapache-mod-security |
| 14:32.10 | tarzeau | well it's not so fast! |
| 14:32.12 | raf256 | asg: awesome! |
| 14:32.13 | cusco | peterS: Im not persuading anything. you were persuading me to use text browser. I never mentioned browsers until you did. |
| 14:32.14 | samuel | how can i test if opengl hardware accel is working? |
| 14:32.18 | tarzeau | actually, qemu is pretty slow |
| 14:32.23 | shaibn | peterS, so any other thoughts maybe? |
| 14:32.24 | tarzeau | samuel: run brutalchess |
| 14:32.29 | raf256 | debuging kernel is as awesome as sex, except I'm having it! |
| 14:32.39 | tarzeau | raf256: ever tried kexec ? |
| 14:32.41 | CalvadoS | wols, ok trying. |
| 14:32.43 | samuel | tarzeau, brutalchess? sounds like fun! thanks |
| 14:32.45 | raf256 | tarzeau: not really |
| 14:32.51 | tarzeau | raf256: linux kernels? not so awesome, really |
| 14:33.05 | peterS | CalvadoS: your dependency problems aren't caused by trying to install libapache2-mpm-prefork, it looks to me like they already existed. remove the packages that are causing the problems, I think |
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| 14:33.14 | CalvadoS | oh its in dutch :D it says something |
| 14:33.19 | cusco | so I had to use teh *choice* argument |
| 14:33.33 | raf256 | how capable qemu is? can I even watch the emulation of GRUB/lilo in it? |
| 14:33.36 | jetscreamer | xboard looks better, but brutalchess is still alpha i believe |
| 14:33.40 | CalvadoS | I dont know german. aktuell installierte Version behalten any idea what it says ? |
| 14:33.41 | raf256 | can I pause the program? |
| 14:33.51 | asg | raf256: yes, it's a full hardware emulator like vmware |
| 14:33.53 | tarzeau | CalvadoS: you can unset LANG and LC* |
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| 14:33.56 | wols | CalvadoS: paste it. I know german |
| 14:33.57 | raf256 | normally booting I am flooded with like 100 oopses so I can't read the first one |
| 14:34.03 | raf256 | asg: omg |
| 14:34.04 | tarzeau | CalvadoS: keep actual version |
| 14:34.18 | azeem | tarzeau: s/actual/current/ |
| 14:34.23 | asg | raf256: don't come yet, it has dreadful IO performance but is useful for some things. |
| 14:34.43 | CalvadoS | http://pastebin.ca/78738 |
| 14:34.44 | tarzeau | azeem: yes even better |
| 14:34.47 | CalvadoS | wols : http://pastebin.ca/78738 |
| 14:34.50 | raf256 | asg: well, the bug occurs in first 3 seconds of booting, so even if it is 100 times slower it will be ok |
| 14:34.55 | peterS | CalvadoS: also, if you use aptitude instead of apt-get, it tends to be a bit more forceful about making sure things are installed and removed and upgraded according to a reasonable plan. so 'aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5' might sort out your issues a bit |
| 14:35.06 | cydork | raf256: i agree vmware is certainly faster |
| 14:35.09 | simmerz | i have a major problem with my debian server. it works fine for a while, and then just prints loads of memory information on the screen and wont respond to commands. i can still type to the keyboard though |
| 14:35.25 | wols | CalvadoS: as tarzeau said, keep current modules.conf |
| 14:35.26 | asg | raf256: the bug might not be reproducible though since the hardware emulated will not match what is physically in your machine. |
| 14:35.29 | cydork | What about Xen? how good is that. |
| 14:35.34 | streuner | simmerz: try /msg dpkg mark |
| 14:35.34 | cydork | !info xen |
| 14:35.37 | raf256 | asg: I am 99% shure it will be enough |
| 14:35.41 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like VMWare or plex86.), section misc, is extra. Version: 2.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 449 kB, Installed size: 1500 kB |
| 14:35.46 | CalvadoS | oh ok well than I'll keep it selected |
| 14:35.57 | raf256 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:QEMU_Screenshot.png awesome |
| 14:36.13 | streuner | simmerz: sorry, that was the wrong factoid |
| 14:36.20 | CalvadoS | great: it seems install installing apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 14:36.37 | shaibn | peterS, I just installed netkit-inetd and that fixed everything ... you know why maybe? |
| 14:36.54 | peterS | shaibn: I don't know enough about the different inetds to be able to guess, no |
| 14:37.09 | shaibn | ok, problem solved just the same :) |
| 14:37.12 | peterS | good, good |
| 14:37.23 | shaibn | gtg ... thanks!@ |
| 14:37.27 | simmerz | streuner: what you mean? |
| 14:37.39 | CalvadoS | hmm how can I close apache1 to start on startup system ? |
| 14:37.39 | simmerz | about it being the wrong factoid i mean |
| 14:38.34 | streuner | simmerz: /msg dpkg syslog console |
| 14:38.51 | wols | man update-rc.d to learn about changing startup |
| 14:38.52 | asg | CalvadoS: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 14:39.11 | d4t2ilL4 | hi |
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| 14:39.36 | d4t2ilL4 | is there a way to restrict user from seeing files and folder on the / |
| 14:39.42 | streuner | simmerz: you get weird messages on console without able to control them, right? |
| 14:39.52 | d4t2ilL4 | when they are connected ssh |
| 14:40.03 | CalvadoS | asg: what is the default run level rc ?rc0.d ? |
| 14:40.05 | asg | d4t2ilL4: rbash (unless they are clueful) |
| 14:40.09 | asg | CalvadoS: rc2 |
| 14:40.27 | d4t2ilL4 | asg ahh I see |
| 14:40.36 | d4t2ilL4 | asg, does this work with scp? |
| 14:40.40 | simmerz | streuner: yeah |
| 14:40.46 | asg | d4t2ilL4: you might look at rssh in that case |
| 14:40.49 | CalvadoS | amsg than I'm directly deleteing apache under rc2.d ? |
| 14:40.55 | asg | d4t2ilL4: also, pam_chroot is another tool that's useful |
| 14:40.58 | simmerz | streuner: so i want remote udp logging set? |
| 14:41.05 | d4t2ilL4 | i see |
| 14:41.11 | streuner | simmerz: no, try /msg dpkg syslog console |
| 14:41.38 | simmerz | streuner: i did. and -R isn't an option |
| 14:41.49 | streuner | uh |
| 14:41.59 | asg | CalvadoS: or use update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 14:42.09 | asg | or apache |
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| 14:43.17 | CalvadoS | ok ty |
| 14:43.38 | simmerz | seems almost like the -d (debug) option is set on by default, but it only happens after a period of time |
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| 14:47.20 | peoklis | whats the best text editor or word processor? I want it to have, aspell spell checker, rectangular text sellection, autocorrect, autocomplete, regex |
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| 14:48.37 | peterS | peoklis: I'm sure any flavor of vim or emacs has those things, though you may need to dig a bit and configure a bit to take advantage of it all. actually I'm not sure about spell check autocorrect. |
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| 14:48.50 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
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| 14:50.17 | LinuxHelp | any1 know how to install the nvidia graphics drivers on debs/testing (2.6.17)? |
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| 14:50.44 | possie | how can i verify that NPTL is dissabled? |
| 14:50.46 | LinuxHelp | the NVidia supplied .run just causes my screen to blank |
| 14:51.14 | d4t2ilL4 | asg, which is more secured? bash or sh? |
| 14:51.32 | d4t2ilL4 | since rssh is not supported by winscp |
| 14:51.35 | LinuxHelp | ^^ (after it installs successfully) |
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| 14:52.00 | asg | d4t2ilL4: well, sh really bash running in bourne-shell compatibility mode. |
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| 14:52.41 | asg | d4t2ilL4: what are people going to be doing with the accounts? Just uploading files? |
| 14:52.51 | d4t2ilL4 | yeah |
| 14:53.44 | CalvadoS | guys. ty apache2 + php5 running at 85 port succesfully :) |
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| 14:54.08 | asg | d4t2ilL4: libpam-chroot is a good option then. Also, having them read and sign a terms of use agreement should be a priority. |
| 14:54.32 | d4t2ilL4 | yes |
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| 14:56.41 | asg | CalvadoS: if that is for a generally available site, you might run into issues with people who access it through a proxy. |
| 14:56.43 | samuel | are these snapshots: http://dri.freedesktop.org/snapshots/i915-20060325-linux.i386.tar.bz2 for the kernel? what would happen if i try to insmod this? if its not for the kernel it just wont work right? |
| 14:57.13 | d4t2ilL4 | yes? http://pam-chroot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:57.18 | d4t2ilL4 | I am seeing things or this is just a white page http://pam-chroot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:57.21 | asg | d4t2ilL4: the libpam-chroot package |
| 14:57.44 | d4t2ilL4 | asg, I am searching for documentations |
| 14:58.07 | asg | d4t2ilL4: /usr/share/doc/libpam-chroot should have some info / examples after you install it. |
| 14:58.19 | d4t2ilL4 | woops sorry |
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| 15:00.04 | CalvadoS | hmm there was a apache2 module that limits page viewing by one user |
| 15:00.09 | CalvadoS | was it mod_security or something else ? |
| 15:00.20 | CalvadoS | I dont want 1 user open 234324 browser pages. |
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| 15:01.02 | lakcaj | CalvadoS: try #apache |
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| 15:01.37 | d4t2ilL4 | CalvadoS, try iptable? |
| 15:02.05 | d4t2ilL4 | if a user make 234324 connections to your server, i think its an attack |
| 15:02.09 | oceansblue | ? need to have gdm call startfluxbox instead of fluxbox - already edited Session/fluxbox |
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| 15:03.19 | christianp | hi all |
| 15:03.48 | christianp | how can i add DNS server to my debian box? Is it resolv.conf? |
| 15:04.09 | asg | christianp: yes |
| 15:04.22 | asg | christianp: resolv.conf(5) contains all the info |
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| 15:06.01 | simon23 | hello, how can i copy file1 from myhost to host2 ? |
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| 15:06.12 | simon23 | i didnt get it. |
| 15:06.14 | asg | simon23: scp file1 host2: |
| 15:06.29 | guuest | I invoked dpkg-reconfigure locales, logged in and out but it stil falls back on that ugly utf8 |
| 15:06.37 | simon23 | asg: the syntax is so strange when just typing scp |
| 15:07.02 | asg | simon23: you need the ':' otherwise it will just copy file1 to a file on myhost called host2 |
| 15:07.02 | christianp | asg: i find in it my gateway as nameserver. Is it correct? I have to set external dns, have i to add a new line or have i to substitute it? |
| 15:07.28 | simmerz | why did a mount event show up on the normal console when i have set sysklogd to output to tty12? |
| 15:07.38 | asg | christianp: yes, just add a 'nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' to your /etc/resolv.conf with the same IP as the external dns server. |
| 15:07.50 | simon23 | asg: okay - i tried scp file1 root@host2:/file1.img |
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| 15:08.01 | simmerz | i performed the mount event via ssh, and it showed up on tty1 |
| 15:08.04 | simon23 | asg: looks like its working :-) thanks ! |
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| 15:08.24 | christianp | asg: then i have to /etc/init.d/networking restart to get it working? |
| 15:08.30 | guuest | I invoked dpkg-reconfigure locales, logged in and out but it stil falls back on that ugly utf8 |
| 15:08.30 | guuest | hello! |
| 15:09.12 | geemark | I have an X.org driver as an .o file - but where should I put it on the filesystem?? |
| 15:09.38 | asg | christianp: no, it should pickup the new nameserver right away |
| 15:09.48 | Jamster | geemark: what kind of driver would that be? |
| 15:10.05 | christianp | asg: it doesn't work... |
| 15:10.09 | christianp | thanks anyway |
| 15:10.18 | asg | christianp: does 'ping www.google.com' work? |
| 15:10.25 | geemark | Jamster: sorry, a graphics driver for tv-out on my tv-card |
| 15:10.56 | Jamster | geemark: check where X.org's other drivers are and add it to the dir? :> |
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| 15:11.22 | geemark | Jamster: well yeah, but where is that |
| 15:11.42 | christianp | asg: yeah, now it works... i write a wrong dns ip :) |
| 15:11.45 | christianp | thanks |
| 15:11.50 | asg | christianp: ah, okay. |
| 15:13.02 | samuel | where does X11 keep its modules? |
| 15:13.08 | samuel | xorg that is? |
| 15:14.24 | GoAuLd | crack-attack |
| 15:15.17 | guuest | I invoked dpkg-reconfigure locales, logged in and out but it stil falls back on that ugly utf8 |
| 15:15.45 | guuest | and locales.alais or something doesn't exist |
| 15:15.55 | asg | guuest: does the output of 'env' show that you are still using *_utf8 ? |
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| 15:17.18 | guuest | asg yes, and even after reboot it seems |
| 15:17.32 | dagio | geemark: I think you've to put it under /usr/lib/xorg/modules/, into the proper dir. Seems to be "drivers" in your case. |
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| 15:17.35 | Fox | guuest: what term are you using ? |
| 15:17.36 | asg | guuest: after your configured locales, did you select a non-utf8 locale as the default? |
| 15:17.51 | guuest | fox putty? |
| 15:17.53 | faber3 | can i loop mount a gzipped file which contains an ext3 filesystem? |
| 15:17.58 | Fox | putty is not a term :) |
| 15:18.16 | guuest | asg yes I inovked dpkg-reconfigure locales and i selected en_us |
| 15:18.34 | Fox | what does 'echo $TERM' say ? |
| 15:18.36 | wols | guuest: did you DEselect utf8? |
| 15:18.50 | guuest | wols: yes /etc/locale.gen doesn't show utf8 anymore |
| 15:18.57 | guuest | I'm running debian sid b.t.w |
| 15:19.13 | geemark | dagio: thank you very much, it works - or well, at least it finds the driver now ;) |
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| 15:19.36 | wols | guuest: look in /etc/locale.gen |
| 15:19.37 | guuest | I just added a test user to the system, and evn shows LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:19.43 | infernix | on my xfs filesystem, quota -v -u smmsp reports that on my /home partition, smmsp has 18014398509476052 blocks in use. 17 billion GB. remounting or xfs_repair doesnt solve the problem. any ideas? |
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| 15:20.16 | guuest | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.16 | asg | guuest: check if your .bashrc and .bash_profile (as well as those in /etc/skel) don't set that |
| 15:20.34 | Fox | guuest: what does 'echo $TERM' say ? |
| 15:20.35 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 15:20.40 | Shadowcat | I knew I recognized this nickname |
| 15:20.47 | Shadowcat | http://www.bash.org/?664847 |
| 15:20.51 | dagio | guuest: also check /etc/profile an /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 15:21.00 | guuest | asg I didn't modify them even not those in /etc/skell . I added a new user, logged in and env still showed utf8 |
| 15:21.52 | guuest | i'm going to reboot again |
| 15:22.01 | guuest | brb guys |
| 15:22.06 | asg | no need to |
| 15:23.11 | dagio | someone knows what's happening to lists.debian.org? |
| 15:23.36 | christianp | another question: i'm trying to access from a debian client to a windows 2003 sharing |
| 15:23.46 | christianp | to mount the folder i use mount -t smbfs -o username=www,password=ttt //ip/share /root/folder, but i obtain this error: protocol negotiation failed |
| 15:23.57 | christianp | what's the matter? |
| 15:24.09 | asg | christianp: what debian version are you running? |
| 15:24.13 | christianp | sarge |
| 15:24.14 | azeem | christianp: maybe check the logfiles for additional hints |
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| 15:25.40 | asg | christianp: http://www.gatago.com/linux/samba/5551439.html (looks like a similar issue) |
| 15:26.21 | kdm_probleme | hi how do i see the content of pages like this http://it.launch.yahoo.com/rihanna/ ? i set useragent to fool the site i'm using internet explorer but how do i make 'm think i've media player ? |
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| 15:27.08 | asg | kdm_probleme: if it's that important, use Windows. |
| 15:27.19 | kdm_probleme | ;( |
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| 15:28.54 | guuest | asg, it is still the same.. |
| 15:29.33 | Aragorn_Guardian | my hwclock is different from my sys clock. changing the clock could be dangerous for my running daemons? i need reboot after change hwclock? |
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| 15:33.15 | asg | guuest: if you run 'LANG=en_US <something that is horrible in utf8>', does it work as desired? |
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| 15:34.53 | jeanre_ | guys whats the command to mount ntfs as read / write? |
| 15:34.58 | lefti | Hi, I have system installed via deboostrap. Will network work if I unpack netbase (and dependecies) to this system and create /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
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| 15:35.13 | blondie | jeanre_: you don't want to do that |
| 15:35.19 | asg | jeanre_: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 15:35.31 | jeanre_ | blondie: I have a drive with 120gb of data |
| 15:35.39 | jeanre_ | that I need to move to my external hdd |
| 15:35.51 | blondie | make the external drive not NTFS |
| 15:35.57 | blondie | NTFS writing isn't stable |
| 15:35.58 | lefti | so you just need a read |
| 15:36.49 | moshii | lefti networking should work with the debootstrapped system |
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| 15:37.31 | jeanre_ | blondie: ok I am checking it |
| 15:37.54 | jeanre_ | I remounted after making linux partition |
| 15:38.01 | jeanre_ | still moans about read only |
| 15:38.07 | jeanre_ | I mount with -o rw |
| 15:38.13 | charzero | Is it possible to run modules-assistant for a kernel other than the currently running one, i.e. if i can point it to the package i made with make-kpkg? |
| 15:38.19 | asg | jeanre_: did you create a filesystem on the linux partition? |
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| 15:38.50 | christianp | asg: thanks |
| 15:39.01 | asg | christianp: you're welcome |
| 15:39.03 | jeanre_ | yeah |
| 15:39.31 | lefti | moshii: and initializing networking on startup? |
| 15:39.53 | asg | jeanre_: mount -o remount,rw /dev/foo /mnt/point |
| 15:40.09 | guuest | asg changing the locale manually works, howveer other accounts ramin unaffected and there fore still uift8 |
| 15:40.51 | jeanre_ | ok copying |
| 15:40.54 | asg | guuest: and you said this was sarge right? Just in case, make sure there isn't an /etc/default/locale (though there shouldn't be on sarge) |
| 15:40.56 | jeanre_ | thanks guys |
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| 15:43.55 | guuest | asg: no sid . etc/default/locale shows LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15 while etc/locale.gen shows: en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15 |
| 15:44.14 | sid | How can I ignore all dependencies problems/conflictions and just have apt-get install what I tell it to? |
| 15:44.21 | sid | apt-get -f doesn't seem to be very affective |
| 15:44.36 | wols | sid: dpkg --force-help |
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| 15:44.40 | simmerz | i tried to fix ksyslogd, but i am still getting messages on my console and i now can't regain control. what do i fix? |
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| 15:44.48 | simmerz | streuner: problem not solved |
| 15:44.48 | wols | don't do it. you will screw things up and then come crying into this channel for help |
| 15:44.53 | sid | wols: But I can't even apt-get -d install the packages |
| 15:45.13 | wols | paste the error you get in a pastebin |
| 15:45.17 | sid | wols: If I could just apt-get -d install; then I would dpkg -i --force-all *deb |
| 15:45.31 | sid | wols I dunno, I just sshed into this box for the first time. And it's all fucked up |
| 15:45.45 | sid | I just want to install lftp and backup the data. Then nuke this box and reload it |
| 15:45.53 | oceansblue | Do I really need gdm or can I just use xdm? |
| 15:45.53 | wols | sid: no you could not. what is your problem? |
| 15:45.57 | sid | I'm getting kernel-image* errors |
| 15:46.13 | wols | sid: paste the error(s) |
| 15:46.25 | guuest | asg: are you running sid? |
| 15:46.26 | wols | oceansblue: you can use any ?dm you want |
| 15:46.26 | nkuttler | oceansblue: sure |
| 15:46.33 | sid | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7CC4vc11.html |
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| 15:46.58 | sid | wols note(I'm a sid user for a few years on my laptop right now, and I did just ssh into this box for the first time..I'm not making that up heh) |
| 15:47.01 | wols | sid: dpkg -r that kernel image |
| 15:47.07 | wols | use --force if you have to |
| 15:47.11 | sid | It seems this box has some sarge/etch/sid packages all mixed for some crazy reason |
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| 15:47.20 | sid | wols: That is the running kernel |
| 15:47.32 | asg | guuest: try looking in /etc/init.d/keymap.sh and /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh and tracing where the information for setting locales is actually coming from. |
| 15:47.33 | irfan | hello all |
| 15:47.45 | irfan | can anybody tell me how to get sound working in debian |
| 15:47.47 | nkuttler | sid: just curious, if you can ssh in why don't you use scp to backup? |
| 15:47.50 | jeanre_ | erm guys |
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| 15:47.53 | asg | irfan: /msg dpkg sound |
| 15:47.54 | jeanre_ | not the stuff up is |
| 15:47.55 | wols | sid: doesn't matter as long as the box is running |
| 15:48.05 | jeanre_ | htf do I read this partition from windows? |
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| 15:48.06 | jeanre_ | lol |
| 15:48.06 | wols | you can still (re)install 2.6.8-3 from sarge |
| 15:48.17 | sid | nkuttler: Because the servers I need to send to are using a distributed ftp server, that requires the pret protocol. And only lftp or pftp support that. |
| 15:48.19 | wols | !lol |
| 15:48.19 | irfan | I am having Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) sound card |
| 15:48.19 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:48.27 | sid | nkuttler: And I can't install anything, pftp/lftp/rsync |
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| 15:48.30 | asg | jeanre_: if you used ext2/3 then explorer2fs for windows should work (google for it) |
| 15:48.33 | irfan | Debian 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 15:48.41 | asg | irfan: /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 15:48.57 | jeanre_ | asg: I will |
| 15:49.04 | jeanre_ | but this is going to be a sarge box |
| 15:49.11 | jeanre_ | that will be upgraded to etc. |
| 15:49.14 | jeanre_ | etch |
| 15:49.17 | jeanre_ | if that is possible |
| 15:49.34 | wols | jeanre_: for reiser, you can use rfs-tools. Not very comfortable but works |
| 15:50.14 | irfan | hey asg can u give me full command |
| 15:50.21 | irfan | I am unable to get that /msg |
| 15:50.27 | asg | !tell irfan about ac97 |
| 15:50.29 | wols | !ac97 |
| 15:50.29 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 15:50.45 | jeanre_ | is difdsfdsifjdsf |
| 15:50.46 | jeanre_ | dsjfds |
| 15:50.46 | jeanre_ | fjdsf |
| 15:50.48 | jeanre_ | dsjfdospfjkdspfojidspfjdspodsfdseh |
| 15:50.51 | jeanre_ | eh |
| 15:50.51 | asg | jeanre_: stop it |
| 15:50.52 | jeanre_ | wtf |
| 15:50.53 | jeanre_ | spider |
| 15:50.53 | wols | stop that |
| 15:51.29 | jeanre_ | eh that was not my fault |
| 15:51.29 | jeanre_ | sorry |
| 15:51.46 | asg | spiders with sufficent weight to cause that would not be limited to home row keys only. |
| 15:51.55 | superlinux | hi all |
| 15:51.59 | superlinux | !bnc |
| 15:51.59 | dpkg | i heard bnc is a connector for coaxial cable such as that used for some video connections and RG58, cheapernet, connections. A BNC connector has a bayonet-type shell with two small knobs on the female connector which lock into spiral slots in the male connector when it is twisted on. used for old workstation monitors, or an IRC session bouncing proxy. Blue Nipple Cover |
| 15:52.00 | jeanre_ | hah |
| 15:52.36 | superlinux | people out there hello. what would keep a nickname alive all day long? |
| 15:52.46 | superlinux | 24/24 |
| 15:52.46 | jeanre_ | brb reboot |
| 15:52.47 | asg | superlinux: register it |
| 15:52.51 | simmerz | ok, ive discovered that i am having an oom killing spree, but how to solve it? I have 1280MB ram, running kernel 2.6.16 on a P4 |
| 15:53.03 | sid | wols: I reinstalled it |
| 15:53.06 | petemc | simmerz: find whats using the memory |
| 15:53.07 | sid | wols: er, I removed it rather |
| 15:53.10 | asg | superlinux: once registered, as long as your are relatively active, nobody but freenode staff could take it away. |
| 15:53.38 | sid | wols: But now I can't install it, it says there is no installation candidate |
| 15:53.52 | simmerz | petemc: how? I can't access anything |
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| 15:54.27 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:54.33 | simmerz | and the printout seems to suggest that swap is completely empty |
| 15:54.38 | asg | superlinux: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:54.55 | superlinux | asg what if there is no registering service?? |
| 15:55.03 | asg | superlinux: there is |
| 15:55.11 | superlinux | not on freenode |
| 15:55.20 | sid | wols: But the system is running great, now that I removed the only kernel-image package(the running kernel) |
| 15:55.20 | superlinux | I meant generally |
| 15:55.21 | asg | simmerz: have you been fooling around with the vm.swappiness kernel variable? |
| 15:55.26 | sid | I can now install things and backup the system as I wish |
| 15:55.26 | sid | heh |
| 15:55.39 | superlinux | I am searching for a tool |
| 15:55.42 | asg | superlinux: then don't use that network or ask their ops if one is provided |
| 15:55.43 | petemc | simmerz: im not sure what to suggest then, wait to see if the oom killer does its job and lets you get access, or reboot the box |
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| 15:56.24 | asg | superlinux: if you just need to stay online 24/7 and have a machine that is online 24/7 (baring network outages, etc.), then screen + irssi is a combination that has worked for me for years. |
| 15:56.43 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:57.14 | superlinux | cos I have a 24/24 server and I wanna make money out of those chat freaks out here |
| 15:57.24 | irfan | hey |
| 15:57.31 | asg | superlinux: how do you propose to make money out of chat freaks? |
| 15:57.34 | simmerz | asg: been fiddling with nothing |
| 15:57.54 | simmerz | petemc: just rebooted |
| 15:57.55 | asg | simmerz: okay. check /proc/sys/vm/swappiness anyway and let us know what value it contains |
| 15:58.05 | Administrator | why is libc6-amd64 availble for i386 |
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| 15:58.28 | simmerz | asg: 60 |
| 15:58.46 | asg | simmerz: okay, that's fine then. |
| 15:58.52 | cahoot | asg: sell nifty nicks? |
| 15:58.55 | asg | Administrator: probably for cross-compiling code |
| 15:59.11 | asg | cahoot: that was useful about 15 years ago :) |
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| 15:59.39 | cahoot | asg: yuo mean it has been done? |
| 16:00.37 | simmerz | asg: anything else? |
| 16:00.41 | asg | cahoot: these days, it's too easy just to setup your own network |
| 16:00.42 | superlinux | asg, there is a thing called a "BNC server" what is it? |
| 16:00.50 | asg | simmerz: ##kernelnewbies |
| 16:01.04 | asg | superlinux: an irc bouncing proxy |
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| 16:01.24 | superlinux | yes |
| 16:01.34 | superlinux | what should be the pkg? |
| 16:02.14 | asg | superlinux: I don't know if it is available in debian. http://gotbnc.com/ is the official site |
| 16:02.51 | superlinux | ok |
| 16:02.55 | superlinux | thanks |
| 16:03.08 | superlinux | we have teenagers who are chat freaks.. |
| 16:03.27 | superlinux | many of them like to keep there Nicknames online |
| 16:03.33 | superlinux | all the time |
| 16:04.02 | superlinux | so they can support their chan to be on always like in undernet's server |
| 16:04.38 | wols | superlinux: irssi can work as a bouncer |
| 16:04.55 | superlinux | ok great then |
| 16:05.04 | superlinux | I will read about it |
| 16:05.07 | sid | I did "dpkg -r --force-all kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7" and this was the only kernel package I had installed...and the one that is currently running my system. I tried to "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7" but there is no installation candidate. I don't think this is in the debian repository anymore. Where can I find this deb so I can reinstall the kernel that is running my system right now? |
| 16:05.18 | superlinux | !irssi |
| 16:05.19 | dpkg | well, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 16:05.29 | asg | sid: try snapshot.debian.net |
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| 16:05.56 | simmerz | ok, something is pushing my slab up quite quickly# |
| 16:06.14 | sid | asg: snapshot.debian.net/package/kernel-image#2.6.7-1-k7 shows nothing |
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| 16:07.11 | charzero | Is there a howto somehwere for module-assistant? |
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| 16:08.23 | lclark | hey all |
| 16:08.37 | lclark | i dont know who this should be directed to |
| 16:08.38 | lclark | but |
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| 16:09.11 | lclark | when ever i try to remove kde or install a package it gives me an Unmet dependencies error. |
| 16:09.12 | Maulkin | charzero: man module-assistant |
| 16:09.27 | Maulkin | lclark: What's the error, and what suite are you running? |
| 16:09.30 | lclark | and it wants me to install kdelibs-data |
| 16:09.39 | charzero | Maulkin: I read that. It wasn't very helpful. |
| 16:09.54 | Maulkin | charzero: /usr/share/doc/module-assistant ? |
| 16:10.07 | Maulkin | lclark: What's the error, and what suite are you running? |
| 16:10.35 | Maulkin | lclark: ie: sarge, etch or sid? |
| 16:10.40 | lclark | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 16:11.08 | lclark | i believe sarge |
| 16:11.10 | simmerz | ive also discovered where it is in my memory from cat /proc/slabinfo - size-64 has 2.7m and growing |
| 16:11.13 | lclark | i'm using knoppix |
| 16:11.24 | Maulkin | lclark: Then please go to #knoppix :) |
| 16:11.28 | lclark | i did |
| 16:11.31 | lclark | no one knows |
| 16:11.38 | lclark | or is there :\ |
| 16:11.40 | Maulkin | lclark: Well, we're even less likley to know |
| 16:11.45 | lclark | ? |
| 16:11.50 | Maulkin | We don't support knoppix. |
| 16:11.51 | lclark | this is the debian channel |
| 16:11.53 | simmerz | 2.7m and growing quickly active objects |
| 16:11.54 | lclark | how can you not know |
| 16:11.55 | lclark | ? |
| 16:11.59 | Maulkin | Yes, and we don't support knoppix |
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| 16:12.10 | lclark | but you do support debian |
| 16:12.16 | lclark | still uses apt |
| 16:12.17 | Maulkin | yes, but not knoppix. |
| 16:12.19 | Maulkin | So? |
| 16:12.29 | Maulkin | It uses knoppix's repository. Not Debians |
| 16:12.31 | lclark | i dont have a knoppic based error |
| 16:12.32 | Cybodog | redhat can use debian |
| 16:12.40 | Cybodog | I mean redhat can use apt |
| 16:12.40 | Jamster | Redhat and Suse use Rpm. You don't ask about RedHat in a SuSE chan, do you? :P |
| 16:12.50 | lclark | are you guys serious? |
| 16:12.56 | Maulkin | lclark: Yes you do. It's not using the debian repository, so it's not debian. |
| 16:12.56 | lclark | is this a personal thing? |
| 16:13.05 | wols | !knoppix |
| 16:13.05 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 16:13.10 | wols | we are VERY serious |
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| 16:13.27 | Cybodog | lclark, knoppix can set things up DIFFERENTY then pure debian will |
| 16:13.28 | charzero | module-assistant worked for me before. I made a new kernel (with make-kpkg), installed it, and booted it. now m-a a-i fglrx-kernel fails, with an error log file that just says the date. |
| 16:13.30 | Maulkin | lclark: No, not at all. We don't support derived distributions, as they can change a million things |
| 16:13.31 | Cybodog | bye |
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| 16:13.42 | Jamster | Heh. |
| 16:13.55 | lurker99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.09 | Jamster | I bet there will be rant first. :> |
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| 16:14.14 | Jamster | a rant |
| 16:14.43 | wols | when I read all the #ubuntu and #knoppix refugess right, no one in there will answer :) |
| 16:15.16 | Maulkin | Ahh, they've gone to #knoppix |
| 16:15.53 | Jamster | It will never cease to amaze me why such people don't join the distro's channel -first- |
| 16:16.11 | lurker99 | he said he did... no answer... |
| 16:16.26 | Jamster | Well, patience. |
| 16:16.35 | Jamster | Noone there gets paid. People have a RL. |
| 16:16.35 | wols | always the same. no answer in the proper channel, then they come here |
| 16:16.55 | Shadowcat | not our fault they don't know how to solve problems in there :P |
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| 16:17.21 | simmerz | ok, it seems to be in the adaptec i2o drivers |
| 16:17.22 | GoAuLd | they come here annoying us! |
| 16:17.25 | sid | This has to be the most productive problem solving channel in all the world. |
| 16:17.35 | wols | sometimes it seems all those "easy" distros only have idiots as users and therefore no one can help the new idiots :) |
| 16:17.38 | sid | bwhahaahhaha |
| 16:17.45 | wols | at least debian has experienced idiots :P |
| 16:17.55 | Jamster | aight ;9 |
| 16:17.56 | charzero | `module-assistant list fglrx-kernel` says -- Binary package(s) for kernel(s): + (2.6.15-natasha): not found". How do I tell it where it is? |
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| 16:18.04 | Cybodog | I have been an idiot for along time |
| 16:18.24 | sid | wols: http://mirror.eepis-its.edu/debian-allbackports/dists/stable/all/binary-i386/kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7_2.6.7-1.backports.org.1_i386.deb |
| 16:18.25 | Abe | hid3, just trying to boot from a netinstall cd and boot freeze after devfs line, with a few lines of PCI: cannot allocate resource region 1 0:10:0. is it a irq conflict, or? |
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| 16:18.28 | Shadowcat | there's a reason I call ubuntu a n00b distro |
| 16:18.41 | wols | sid: nice url. but what do I do with it? |
| 16:18.43 | sid | wols: I found the kernel I need to reinstall....but it downloads at .0001 kbps so it will take a few days |
| 16:19.00 | wols | sid: I'd just get a new kernel from either stable or oldstable |
| 16:19.04 | wols | both should work |
| 16:19.07 | sid | wols: Then reboot? |
| 16:19.20 | wols | but you said youd want to kill that box anyways, so who cares? |
| 16:19.24 | sid | wols: I have no kernel installed on the system at all right now. There is one resident in memory. But not on the hdd |
| 16:19.35 | wols | install lftp already and copy over the data you wanted |
| 16:19.35 | sid | wols: yea, But I want to mess around with it now. |
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| 16:19.37 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 16:19.41 | Shadowcat | sid: wtf did you do? |
| 16:19.44 | sid | I did...it's being backed up now |
| 16:19.45 | sid | It's 97G |
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| 16:20.00 | sid | Shadowcat: I didn't do it. I sshed into it for the first time a little while ago. |
| 16:20.01 | wols | sid: then start with proper editing of sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade. remove all the shit the previous owner did |
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| 16:20.17 | wols | and then install a nice kernel or compile your own |
| 16:20.25 | sid | Someone mixed sarge/etch/sid, and the kernel-image was conflicting with init tools and wouldn't let me install anything |
| 16:20.33 | sid | So I removed the kernel, and now I can install anything I want. |
| 16:20.37 | sid | worked great |
| 16:20.39 | sid | thanks wols |
| 16:21.13 | sid | dpkg -r --force-all kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 16:21.24 | sid | Then dpkg warns me that I'm an idiot, and I say "Yes" and it gets removed. |
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| 16:22.12 | wols | sid: install a 2.6.8 krenel from sarge imho |
| 16:22.23 | sid | I already installed 2.6.15 |
| 16:22.28 | wols | or that |
| 16:22.50 | sid | After the backup is done I'll reboot, and see if it comes back. |
| 16:22.51 | wols | check menu.lst that it's allright and it should all go well now |
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| 16:23.03 | sid | yea, I did. grub is ready to go. |
| 16:23.05 | sid | Just not sure if it will actually work |
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| 16:23.40 | Shadowcat | ocean* |
| 16:23.43 | Shadowcat | well guess that didn't work |
| 16:24.13 | sid | k, shower time. My data should be backed up in an hour or so. |
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| 16:24.54 | paulsen | (Off-topic): Does anyone remember that itunes clone that someone was working on? I cant remember the name :( |
| 16:25.13 | GoAuLd | amule ? |
| 16:26.53 | Sir-vince | One of my friends think he had a visit from a hacker on his server, but there are no logs of the visit, but the server began acting weird a few days ago, which things would you guys suggest i looked for to find trace after the hacker (i registered the .bash_history removed a few times) |
| 16:27.22 | paulsen | GoAuLd: amule looks like a p2p-client.. |
| 16:27.25 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: ok. |
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| 16:27.40 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: Welcome to the world of damage limitation and audits :) |
| 16:27.45 | Sir-vince | hehe :) |
| 16:27.47 | wakejagr | paulsen: maybe songbird is what you are thinking of? |
| 16:28.00 | Sir-vince | do you have any idea how to find some info about the hacker |
| 16:28.02 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: 1) immediately unplug the network card, then yank out the power cable. (Don't shut down) |
| 16:28.15 | Maulkin | 2) Make a full copy of the hard drive |
| 16:28.25 | Maulkin | 3) reinstall the server |
| 16:28.37 | Cybodog | Maulkin, why hard shutdown? |
| 16:28.38 | wols | Sir-vince: /var/log |
| 16:28.49 | paulsen | wakejagr: Ah, yes! Thanks :D |
| 16:28.50 | wols | but if he deleted bash logs, he might have doctored those too |
| 16:28.58 | wakejagr | paulsen: np |
| 16:29.08 | Maulkin | Cybodog: a) to stop syncing, or programs that catch a TERm signal and delete themselves |
| 16:29.18 | Sir-vince | there are still logs left, but there is no trace of any user logged in except for me and him |
| 16:29.20 | Cybodog | ahh |
| 16:29.22 | Sir-vince | and that is from out ip addresses |
| 16:29.38 | Sir-vince | out = our |
| 16:29.44 | Maulkin | Basically, when a server has been compromised, all bets are off. You can't trust anything on the server anymore |
| 16:29.58 | Sir-vince | ok |
| 16:30.35 | Maulkin | So, the logs may, or may not be right. Even the program you are viewing the logs with may be doctored to ignore lines from a certain host. |
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| 16:31.24 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: IMo, you are very unlikey to ever catch this guy. Simply wipe the server completely and start again. And this time, secure php properly |
| 16:31.31 | Cybodog | Maulkin would not some such thing as knoppix work for viewing logs in that case? |
| 16:31.47 | Maulkin | Cybodog: Not if the actual logs have been doctored. |
| 16:31.58 | Sir-vince | Maulkin ok, damn |
| 16:32.03 | Cybodog | of course, I was just thinking of edited apps |
| 16:32.17 | Maulkin | Cybodog: If you have a trusted app, it *should* work. |
| 16:32.26 | Maulkin | Anyway, I need to go home. |
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| 16:32.33 | Sir-vince | but what if he has putted a backdoor into one of the 50000 php scripts on the server |
| 16:32.44 | Sir-vince | is there a program that can scan for stuff like that |
| 16:32.47 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: I suggest you write down exactly what you think has happended and mail debian-security for advice |
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| 16:32.52 | Maulkin | Cause I need to go home |
| 16:32.57 | Sir-vince | ok |
| 16:32.59 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: Look at safe_mode |
| 16:33.07 | Sir-vince | ok |
| 16:33.15 | Abe | hmm, anyone knows what boot option I could use to disable probing serial? was looking at the doc but can't find any |
| 16:33.25 | wols | Sir-vince: you MUST reinstall everything from source |
| 16:33.35 | Sir-vince | warning, got bogus unix line. |
| 16:33.39 | Sir-vince | thats the error |
| 16:33.42 | Sir-vince | i get when i run chkrootkit |
| 16:33.43 | wols | even the databse itself is suspect (account data!) |
| 16:34.05 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: It's very broken. |
| 16:34.17 | Sir-vince | shit |
| 16:34.18 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: Stop using the server *now* if you want to get anything off it... |
| 16:34.19 | wols | chkrootkit is irrelevant. you need to fully reinstall anyways |
| 16:34.28 | Sir-vince | ok |
| 16:34.39 | Maulkin | Pull out the plugs physically. |
| 16:34.41 | wols | save the data (DATA, no code) and nuke it from orbit. only way to be sure |
| 16:34.44 | Maulkin | Then the work begins. |
| 16:34.52 | Maulkin | Anwyay, really *gone* |
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| 16:36.10 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
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| 16:38.10 | falkon | I have the nvidia module installed and lsmod shows it loaded, but when I do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' nvidia is not a driver choice and if I put it in xorg.conf, I get an error. |
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| 16:42.48 | roym | folks, I got this error (http://channels.debian.net/paste/3051) trying to install libc6-dev on debian stable; am baffled... can someone help |
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| 16:45.22 | Jamster | roym: and your sources.list only contains stable entries? |
| 16:45.43 | rhys | yay for debian on PARISC |
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| 16:46.17 | roym | Jamster: yes, the stock 3 lines from the debian pages... however, I upgraded to testing then downgraded to stable. |
| 16:46.34 | roym | Am wondering if there is residue from having had testing in there |
| 16:46.50 | falkon | I have the nvidia module installed and lsmod shows it loaded, but when I do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' nvidia is not a driver choice and if I put it in xorg.conf, I get an error. Anyone know why this might be? |
| 16:46.59 | cydork | roym: it cant find the package in the listed repository |
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| 16:47.18 | Eclipser | falkon, you need to install the X nvidia driver too |
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| 16:47.46 | falkon | Eclipser: I swear I did. I did the whole one-liner deal. |
| 16:47.46 | roym | cydork: I thought it was to do with having the wrong version of the package (libc6) |
| 16:48.15 | Jamster | roym: apt-get updated? |
| 16:48.31 | roym | yes, more than once. |
| 16:48.40 | roym | very recently. |
| 16:49.09 | falkon | Eclipser: is there any way to install the x driver without installing nvidia glx? |
| 16:49.35 | wols | roym: apt-cache policy libc6-dev |
| 16:49.45 | wols | and: dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 16:49.51 | wols | what versions those those two? |
| 16:50.19 | wols | maybe just paste the output of those two |
| 16:50.53 | simmerz | figured the slab problem out. it is the adaptec scsi driver. i'm trying 2.6.17 now - supposedly that works ok |
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| 16:51.01 | roym | sorry about the paste - but here goes.. |
| 16:51.05 | roym | libc6-dev: |
| 16:51.05 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.06 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.06 | roym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.00 | wols | !paster |
| 16:52.01 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:52.55 | roym | sorry, just got a swift kick in the ass. |
| 16:53.02 | roym | paste is here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3052 |
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| 16:54.07 | wols | you are not running stable. you run testing or unstable or a monster-mongrel-mix |
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| 16:54.40 | roym | wols: how can I downgrade to a clean stable - I want to remove all other packages. |
| 16:55.01 | wols | you cannot really |
| 16:55.13 | wols | !downgrade |
| 16:55.13 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 16:56.47 | roym | wols: thanks. |
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| 17:02.20 | lex | Hey guys... ive a multiple uplink question here.... ive a box with vitual ip aliases made by iproute2 (not eth0:0 but ip addr). Those aliases correspond to my uplinks (obviously).. id like to monitor each uplink separately but i dont know how to get the bandwith out of an ip addr made alias |
| 17:03.48 | roym | just curious: is there a way (dpkg or otherwise) to tell which packages *don't* belong to "stable" |
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| 17:04.10 | roym | I could then purge those and restore my sanity |
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| 17:05.10 | wols | roym: dpkg -l shows all packages in a nice format with version numbers |
| 17:05.25 | wols | you could then compare it with packages in stable and mark the ones not in stable |
| 17:05.34 | fowlduck | what is the debian package maintaner channel? |
| 17:05.54 | wols | not sure if there is one |
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| 17:06.03 | fowlduck | hmmm |
| 17:06.04 | xored | Ihr seid Frinks :) ! SCHLAND! |
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| 17:06.06 | kimo | HI, anyway to force the kernel to panic ? |
| 17:06.06 | wols | and if there were, I'M sure not just everyone could join |
| 17:06.18 | stew | fowlduck: what exactly are you after? there is #debian-mentors on oftc for help with creating packages |
| 17:06.25 | fowlduck | wols, that's unfortunate. |
| 17:06.29 | wols | and if you are a DM, you would know |
| 17:06.31 | fowlduck | StereoSkit, oftc? |
| 17:06.44 | roym | wols: sorry for being naiive, but how do I get a listing of packages that belong to stable? |
| 17:06.45 | stew | fowlduck: irc.oftc.net a.k.a. irc.debian.org |
| 17:07.07 | fowlduck | stew, thanks |
| 17:07.24 | wols | roym: no way I can see |
| 17:07.26 | stew | roym: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
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| 17:07.39 | stew | roym: or do you mean the ones installed on your system? |
| 17:08.13 | roym | stew: my system is a "mongrel" because I went to testing and then tried to downgrade to stable. |
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| 17:08.29 | roym | I am trying to figure out which ones don't belong in stable. |
| 17:08.34 | stew | roym: you can't do that, either upgrade to testing or reinstall stable |
| 17:08.57 | roym | is it possible to reinstall stable remotely? |
| 17:09.11 | stew | no |
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| 17:09.22 | stew | roym: you could debootstrap maybe |
| 17:09.22 | wols | stew: you can. by parsing dpkg -l and comparing against packages.debian.org or any other listing |
| 17:09.29 | stew | wols: you can what? |
| 17:09.48 | wols | decide which packages you need to relace in your install to get back to stable |
| 17:10.05 | wols | the replacing itself can be tricky, but finding out which is doable |
| 17:10.16 | fowlduck | stew, dpkg -l | grep ^ii > installed_packages |
| 17:10.39 | stew | wols: i've never seen someone actually able to downgrade libc6 |
| 17:10.50 | stew | fowlduck: grep ^.i actually |
| 17:11.02 | fowlduck | stew, right |
| 17:12.06 | stew | roym: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 17:12.44 | roym | stew: 2.3.6-15 |
| 17:13.05 | roym | sorry thats libc6-dev |
| 17:13.08 | roym | hang on... |
| 17:13.14 | stew | roym: doesn't matter they will be the same |
| 17:13.24 | stew | roym: which means you are on testing |
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| 17:14.44 | roym | debootstrap sounds interesting... I am trying to avoid a rather long trip to the site |
| 17:14.58 | quintin | hi, what would I do to start hee initial package selection again ? |
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| 17:15.10 | quintin | I installed "desktop" then installed gdm but when I try to login from there it hands |
| 17:15.13 | quintin | hangs |
| 17:15.26 | quintin | and I try dpkg-reconfigure gdm and it doesn't fix it |
| 17:15.35 | cydork | roym: your problem is your libc6-dev are newer than your repo |
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| 17:15.54 | quintin | try normal, failsafe, failsafe terminal... all begin to start gnome, but never finish. what would be error or how would I fix? |
| 17:16.01 | quintin | screen -r 3 |
| 17:16.06 | roym | cydork: yes, and from what I hear, downgrading libc6 is near impossible? |
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| 17:16.29 | jbwiv | guys, I'm trying to add LVM support to an initrd file. However, no matter what I add to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, I can seem to get update-initramfs or mkinitramfs to pull them in. |
| 17:17.08 | jbwiv | They're there, specifically dm-mod.ko, but even though I added dm_mod to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, when I decompress the resulting image the module is not there. |
| 17:17.13 | jbwiv | Any clues what I need to do? |
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| 17:18.16 | peppet | jbwiv: why do you want initrd? |
| 17:18.22 | jbwiv | peppet: xen |
| 17:18.23 | cydork | roym: yep :) |
| 17:18.39 | jbwiv | peppet: trying to get Xen working. |
| 17:18.57 | jbwiv | peppet: with LVM. All the way there except this one small hurdle :( |
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| 17:22.30 | jbwiv | peppet: any ideas? |
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| 17:23.04 | wols | 11:35 < war95> LinuxHelp: 1) don't use udev, then you don't need any initrd. |
| 17:23.15 | wols | this should be true for you too jbwiv |
| 17:23.24 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 17:23.29 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 17:23.29 | bradd | hi, do I have to change anything in xorg.conf after I install (built) the nvidia driver? |
| 17:23.35 | tarzeau | yeah udev got removed from 2.6 latest |
| 17:23.39 | tarzeau | !udev |
| 17:23.53 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 17:24.01 | tarzeau | udev is also udev doesn't exist anymore. don't use it |
| 17:24.07 | JedH | what is the command to list the currently installed apt-get packages? |
| 17:24.08 | quintin | So... how do I fixi my gdm? |
| 17:24.09 | tarzeau | dpkg udev is also udev doesn't exist anymore. don't use it |
| 17:24.09 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 17:24.10 | wols | bradd: you need to load the nvidia driver there, yes |
| 17:24.18 | tarzeau | JedH: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 17:24.21 | bradd | so I just change 'nv' to 'nvidia' ?? |
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| 17:24.28 | tarzeau | JedH: it's dpkg packages |
| 17:24.59 | Sir-vince | i normally have all my users running through the FORWARD chain in iptables, but now i have made on for each of the computers, one of them is called "10.0.0.2" how do i force that computer to go through that one ? |
| 17:24.59 | JedH | ok, so what is the command to list the currently installed dpkg packages? |
| 17:25.23 | wols | JedH: dpkg -l |
| 17:25.44 | stew | !udev =~ s/12/15/ |
| 17:25.44 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:26.50 | bradd | ok, I changed "nv" to "nvidia", I get the nvidia logo on startx, but it only comes up at 800x600 resolution where before it was 1600x1200.. any ideas? |
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| 17:27.20 | JedH | ok, dpkg -l | grep apache lists apache 2.0 |
| 17:27.24 | JedH | i need apache 2.2 |
| 17:27.33 | JedH | does dpkg provide upgrade functionality? |
| 17:27.40 | wols | apt-get does |
| 17:27.59 | wols | but I dunno any debian repository with apache2.2 |
| 17:28.06 | wols | at least can't find it in sid even |
| 17:28.08 | stew | JedH: afaik apache 2.2 hasn't yet been packaged for debian |
| 17:28.09 | JedH | hmmm, i'm not sure i'm understanding... do apt-get and dpkg work together? |
| 17:28.10 | peppet | stew: where can i read about udev not existing in recent kernels? |
| 17:28.17 | wols | yes they do |
| 17:28.22 | JedH | i see |
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| 17:28.29 | stew | peppet: udev never existed in the kernel, the u in udev stands for userspace |
| 17:28.31 | wols | apt is based on dpkg |
| 17:28.57 | JedH | so in to get apache 2.2 on my distro, what would be the best |
| 17:28.57 | JedH | plan? |
| 17:29.19 | wols | compile it yourself |
| 17:29.51 | JedH | in order to compile it myself, do i have to manually download and compile a hundred dependencies as well? |
| 17:30.11 | wols | mostly yes |
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| 17:30.21 | wols | you can start with apt-get build-dep apache2 perahsp |
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| 17:30.42 | stew | JedH: no, "apt-get build-dep apache2" should install the dependencies needed for building it |
| 17:30.57 | JedH | so you think that the most recent versions of apache 2.2's dependencies may be obtainable through apt-get? |
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| 17:31.22 | stew | peppet: are you asking about what versions of the kernel are supported by udev? |
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| 17:32.30 | ROBOd | hello guys |
| 17:32.44 | JedH | if i already have apache 2.0 installed, should i already have all the needed dependencies? |
| 17:32.46 | ROBOd | i have a repository which provide a version of a package i don't currently want |
| 17:32.48 | paulsen | does php5 work with apache2-mpm? |
| 17:32.56 | ROBOd | how to make that specific version as "ignored"? |
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| 17:33.30 | wols | JedH: no. running apache2 doesn't install any dev dependencies |
| 17:33.30 | peppet | stew: no, I was asking about tarzeau assertion "udev doesn't exist anymore. don't use it" |
| 17:33.52 | wols | paulsen: works with mpm-prefork |
| 17:35.00 | stew | tarzeau: why do you say that udev doesn't exist anymore? |
| 17:35.07 | stew | peppet: he's not correct |
| 17:35.33 | peppet | stew: ok, thanks |
| 17:35.44 | tarzeau | stew: it was removed from 2.6 |
| 17:35.51 | stew | tarzeau: udev isn't part of the kernel |
| 17:35.56 | tarzeau | stew: aha |
| 17:36.01 | tarzeau | stew: then what? |
| 17:36.04 | stew | tarzeau: u stands for userspace |
| 17:36.11 | JedH | i ran apt-get build-dep apache2 and got this message: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 17:36.13 | stew | tarzeau: are you thinking of devfs? |
| 17:36.21 | tarzeau | stew: oops |
| 17:36.24 | wols | stew: so I could use udev with a 2.0 kernel? |
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| 17:36.31 | tarzeau | stew: can we fix the factoid? |
| 17:36.35 | JedH | my sources.list file has the standard sources in it... do i need to manually add some more? |
| 17:36.35 | tarzeau | !devfs |
| 17:36.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, devfs is obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
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| 17:36.55 | stew | wols: no, it requires sysfs support, the current veersion in testing requires 2.6.15 of greater |
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| 17:37.25 | stew | !udev =~ s#, or udev doesn't exist anymore. don't use it## |
| 17:37.25 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 17:41.44 | JedH | is there a list of standard URI sources that I can put into my sources.list? |
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| 17:42.36 | cusco | !sources.list |
| 17:42.37 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
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| 17:43.16 | cydork | JedH: check http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 17:43.17 | wols | JedH: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 17:43.48 | bluefox83 | ok, i think something is wrong with my apt installation, i have ftp.us.debian.org in my sources.list, yet for some reason it doesn't show things that i know are on it like nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 17:44.42 | bluefox83 | i can manually go onto the debian packaes website and find packages that are not listed in my apt-cache search option |
| 17:45.10 | cydork | bluefox: that package is in contrib |
| 17:45.31 | bluefox83 | Cybodog, i know where it is, i still can't find it though |
| 17:46.13 | cydork | bluefox: does your sources.list contain contrib? |
| 17:47.20 | bluefox83 | there's the problem :X |
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| 17:48.16 | cydork | bluefox: remember shit happens!!!! |
| 17:48.20 | cydork | :) |
| 17:48.29 | geemark | can I in X.org determine the offset on the TV screen? parts of the picture are further out than the screen border! |
| 17:48.38 | bluefox83 | cydork, i know shit happen..if it didn't i wouldn't be in here :P |
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| 17:49.09 | bluefox83 | what is a legacy version ? |
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| 17:51.21 | bluefox83 | !info nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 17:51.23 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-legacy: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver (legacy version)), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2967 kB, Installed size: 9644 kB |
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| 17:52.36 | r3c4ll | Somebody know where i can find a doc that explain hwo to install glpi in debian? |
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| 17:52.57 | cydork | !info glpi |
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| 17:54.42 | cydork | r3c4ll : glpi?? |
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| 17:55.23 | r3c4ll | cydork, http://glpi-project.org |
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| 17:56.38 | phogg | I've just installed udev as a dependancy during another install. I don't have udev support compiled in to my custom kernel. If I reboot now will everything break? |
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| 17:57.57 | voicu | how do i make an ext3 partition writeable by anyone? |
| 17:58.31 | jbwiv | mkinitramfs is going to be the end of me |
| 17:58.34 | wols | man chown |
| 17:58.44 | jbwiv | anyone know how to *force* lvm support in an initrd image? |
| 17:58.51 | wols | jbwiv: which is why you don't use intird at all |
| 17:59.03 | voicu | chown won't help me because I want it to be writeable by any user |
| 17:59.08 | jbwiv | vols: I'm doing Xen with LVM and and lvm'd root. I have no choice |
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| 17:59.26 | wols | oops. chmod |
| 17:59.46 | voicu | well, yeah but how do I chmod the whole partition? |
| 17:59.49 | jbwiv | I've added dm_mod to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, but for some reason it's not included, although I need it to be. |
| 17:59.56 | jbwiv | vols: do you know of an alternative? |
| 17:59.56 | wols | voicu: have you read the manpage? |
| 18:00.09 | voicu | i read a lot of manpages and they didn't help |
| 18:00.18 | voicu | if you were me, what would you do? |
| 18:00.35 | wols | I told you what to do. feel free to ignore me |
| 18:00.39 | voicu | except killing yourself :P |
| 18:00.44 | wols | jbwiv: why not compile dm_mod in? |
| 18:01.06 | jbwiv | wols: did that...but whole other source of probs that the Xen guys are looking at |
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| 18:01.24 | r3c4ll | Somebody know where i can find a doc that explain hwo to install glpi in debian? |
| 18:01.29 | jbwiv | so to cut to the chase, I thought, oh well, I'll just use the provided module...*that'll* be easy |
| 18:01.33 | jbwiv | sheesh ;-) |
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| 18:02.18 | wols | r3c4ll: obviously not here, so google |
| 18:02.23 | jbwiv | wols: now, I *know* it's possible...the kernel I'm currently running sans-xen has dm-mod.ko in its initrd |
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| 18:05.27 | voicu | does anyone how to make an ext3 partition writeable by mount? chmod can't help |
| 18:05.56 | voicu | *know how |
| 18:06.11 | Gathond | voicu: I dont think you can set that at mount time on ext3 |
| 18:06.34 | Gathond | just change the permissions/ownership as root |
| 18:06.54 | voicu | but that is a pain in the *** |
| 18:07.17 | voicu | i have to do that for every new directory made in the root directory |
| 18:07.43 | voicu | isn't there a way to let a simple user create directories in the main directory? |
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| 18:09.02 | wols | voicu: there is. if you know how to use chmod and chown |
| 18:09.08 | wols | chmod only even |
| 18:09.30 | voicu | i tried recursive chmod on the whole partition |
| 18:09.32 | wols | another thing you need to know is umasl |
| 18:09.35 | wols | *umask |
| 18:09.48 | voicu | i tried the umask stuff too |
| 18:09.51 | voicu | didn't work |
| 18:09.58 | wols | but you haven't changed the mountpoint |
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| 18:10.22 | voicu | why change the mountpoint? |
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| 18:10.40 | Worf | i want to switch to testing... ( from experimental ) - but the noob i am i don't know how and can't eaven find any docs that describe how to. any hints where to search? |
| 18:10.48 | wols | Worf: you cannot |
| 18:10.52 | wols | !downgrade |
| 18:10.53 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 18:11.55 | Worf | weird... one did recently tell me that he did so... how would one upgrade? :) |
| 18:12.26 | wols | by changing your sources.list and then dist-upgrade |
| 18:12.33 | Worf | ah - ok - thanks |
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| 18:13.26 | wols | note: you can't just enter "testing" there and dist-upgrade. won't work |
| 18:13.44 | wols | over time when testing progresses you can of course "migrate" into testing |
| 18:14.18 | Worf | wols: yeah - basically this is what i want to... |
| 18:14.22 | concept10 | how are symlinks removed? could I do rm ln ? |
| 18:14.34 | rockstar_ | How would I go about creating a deb package from source files? |
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| 18:14.47 | kingspawn | Hm, what's the group I need to add users to to access dvd/cdrom+ |
| 18:15.00 | Piet | concept10: you just rm the symlink |
| 18:15.09 | rockstar_ | I've got the debian/rules file |
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| 18:15.44 | wols | kingspawn: depends on the fstab entry and/or dvdrom mountpoint |
| 18:16.04 | cr3 | how can I determine exactly which nvidia card is in my computer? I tried lspci, but that only gives generic information |
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| 18:16.38 | wols | cr3: it gives you PCI ids, you can see from that |
| 18:16.39 | cr3 | dmesg also only shows that it's loading NVIDIA driver |
| 18:16.52 | wols | besides: it doesn't matter which one you have. all GF cards use the same driver |
| 18:16.55 | kingspawn | wols /dev/hdd /mount/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto. I am just trying to let my user play a dvd :) |
| 18:17.09 | wols | so users can mount it |
| 18:17.11 | cr3 | wols: some cards are legacy, aren't they? |
| 18:17.22 | Piet | rockstar_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 |
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| 18:17.46 | kingspawn | wols: Maybe /dev/dvd needs something else? There is on entry for it in fstab |
| 18:18.06 | wols | nvidia driver supports ALL gf cards. all |
| 18:18.13 | luke-jr_ | How would I go about making a package for "Debian core |
| 18:18.13 | luke-jr_ | Linux" ? |
| 18:18.27 | azeem | luke-jr_: what is that? |
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| 18:18.59 | luke-jr_ | azeem: no clue? |
| 18:19.09 | azeem | so why do you ask? |
| 18:19.11 | luke-jr_ | azeem: I assumed someone here would know, seeing that people here use Debian\ |
| 18:19.21 | luke-jr_ | azeem: I have a request for such a package |
| 18:19.24 | gravity | luke-jr_: Well... what does the "core linux" part mean? |
| 18:19.31 | gravity | That's a totally new term to me |
| 18:19.31 | azeem | luke-jr_: are you an upstream developer? |
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| 18:20.06 | luke-jr_ | azeem: I'm the program author, yes |
| 18:20.10 | luke-jr_ | gravity: not sure |
| 18:20.14 | azeem | luke-jr_: ok |
| 18:20.16 | gravity | ah |
| 18:20.17 | Piet | rockstar_: read this if you want to package an application which was not packaged before. other than that, if there is a debian source package, get it using apt-get source $(packeagename), then dpkg-buildpackage it |
| 18:20.18 | azeem | there's the DCC |
| 18:20.21 | luke-jr_ | gravity: perhaps Linux as opposed to BSD kernel? |
| 18:20.22 | azeem | the Debian Core Consortium |
| 18:20.35 | luke-jr_ | that might be it |
| 18:20.40 | azeem | well, nowadays the "D Core Consortium" or something |
| 18:20.41 | gravity | azeem: Ah, that might be it. It might also just be "Debian-not-a-derivative" |
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| 18:21.41 | azeem | luke-jr_: who requested such a package? A user? A vendor? |
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| 18:22.19 | luke-jr_ | azeem: user |
| 18:22.24 | concept10 | I get this error running glxinfo: libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so failed .... I fixed this before creating a symlink to the file from another location, the symlink is still there. Is there anything else I could do? |
| 18:22.47 | azeem | luke-jr_: hrm, maybe ask him for more input and why he cannot use the regular Debian packages (if there are any= |
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| 18:23.07 | azeem | luke-jr_: AFAIK most things which the user could mean are pretty close to Debian, so it should be possible |
| 18:23.12 | luke-jr_ | azeem: there are no Debian pkgs ATM |
| 18:23.44 | Piet | luke-jr_: what type of program do you develop? mind giving more details? |
| 18:23.52 | azeem | luke-jr_: ah, ok |
| 18:23.53 | luke-jr_ | Piet: Qt-based |
| 18:24.03 | azeem | luke-jr_: is it Free Software? |
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| 18:24.11 | luke-jr_ | azeem: GPL'd, but not gratis distributed |
| 18:24.20 | azeem | luke-jr_: how is that possible? |
| 18:24.33 | azeem | I mean, people can just redistribute it for free, no? |
| 18:24.40 | luke-jr_ | if the people with it want to |
| 18:24.46 | azeem | ok |
| 18:24.50 | luke-jr_ | but currently, there is no such person |
| 18:24.53 | Intoxicator | g'day |
| 18:24.53 | Gathond | azeem: if noone else actually bothers distributing it for free :) |
| 18:25.12 | luke-jr_ | I imagine he will once it's ready |
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| 18:25.16 | azeem | luke-jr_: are you providing rpms etc? |
| 18:25.18 | concept10 | how do I clear a package that will not install? |
| 18:25.27 | luke-jr_ | azeem: currently, the only package I have is a Windows ZIP |
| 18:25.27 | Piet | luke-jr_: my guess is that you were only asked to package your software for debian |
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| 18:26.24 | azeem | yeah, my guess as well |
| 18:26.30 | azeem | there should be no difference |
| 18:26.33 | luke-jr_ | Piet: he wants the Win ZIP and the Debian "core Linux" package |
| 18:26.46 | luke-jr_ | ok, then how would I make a Debian pkg? ;) |
| 18:26.57 | azeem | luke-jr_: that's not trivial to do right |
| 18:27.01 | Piet | luke-jr_: as with other distributions, debian packages are specific to architectures and distribution versions, so you may wish to find out what environment the user has there. |
| 18:27.03 | luke-jr_ | oh :/ |
| 18:27.18 | luke-jr_ | well, I'm presuming x86_32 |
| 18:27.26 | azeem | luke-jr_: see http://www.debian.org/devel, especially the policy and the new maintainer's guide |
| 18:27.29 | luke-jr_ | and Linux-kernel |
| 18:27.39 | concept10 | what apt or dpkg command removes a package that will not configure? |
| 18:27.40 | azeem | luke-jr_: the alternative would be to look for a Debian Developer to package it officially in Debian |
| 18:27.41 | Piet | luke-jr_: that'd be i386 |
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| 18:27.49 | azeem | concept10: apt-get remove <packaeg> |
| 18:27.59 | Piet | luke-jr_: you're not into linux development yet, right? |
| 18:28.07 | luke-jr_ | Piet: sure am, but Gentoo |
| 18:28.19 | luke-jr_ | the Win ZIP is cross-compiled |
| 18:28.40 | concept10 | azeem, not remove, I am talking a file that will not configure... is it apt-get -f something? |
| 18:29.01 | blondie | concept10: apt-get remove |
| 18:30.05 | luke-jr_ | any idea if I will need to setup some kind of cross-compile environment, or if I can just do the compiling on a Gentoo x86_32 box? |
| 18:30.08 | Piet | luke-jr_: ok, I suggest you read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 |
| 18:30.08 | concept10 | do you have to specify the package for apt-get -f ? its not working for me |
| 18:30.33 | wols | concept10: dpkg -r <package> |
| 18:30.49 | azeem | concept10: paste the error to a pastebin |
| 18:30.55 | wols | blondie: apt-get remove won't work anymore if the package tree is in a bad state like when a configuration failed |
| 18:31.46 | concept10 | im trying to fix-broken, everyone says remove, wtf |
| 18:32.21 | wols | concept10: then write "fix broken" and not 20:27 < concept10> what apt or dpkg command removes a package |
| 18:32.50 | concept10 | wols, note I said that will not configure |
| 18:33.02 | wols | and you said "REMOVE". not "fix" |
| 18:33.07 | wols | fix != remove |
| 18:33.29 | concept10 | dont be a dick wols |
| 18:33.37 | wols | learn what to write concept10 |
| 18:33.40 | azeem | concept10: please paste the error |
| 18:34.29 | Tsop | good morning room |
| 18:34.37 | cast | morning |
| 18:35.13 | concept10 | azeem, thanks. i have fixed it |
| 18:35.35 | azeem | cool |
| 18:35.40 | concept10 | with apt-get install -f |
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| 18:37.14 | Tsop | when i startx i get a full gray screen, when i left click i get a green menu but i can't do any thing with it can you help me please |
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| 18:37.59 | azeem | Tsop: install a window manager |
| 18:38.13 | azeem | Tsop: apt-get install xterm icewm |
| 18:38.15 | Tsop | azeem, can you show me how pleaese |
| 18:38.17 | azeem | then, choose something |
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| 18:38.41 | Tsop | azeem, how can i exit from there |
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| 18:39.32 | bluefox83 | having serious issues getting the debian nvidia drivers working.. |
| 18:39.33 | azeem | Tsop: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 18:39.53 | azeem | I'm off. laters |
| 18:40.27 | Tsop | azeem, when i do that i get a debian GNU/LINUX login / password |
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| 18:43.12 | Sir-vince | which port does syslog run on ? |
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| 18:44.39 | Tsop | dmesg -n 1 |
| 18:44.45 | Tsop | opps |
| 18:44.56 | Sir-vince | ?=? |
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| 18:45.20 | stew | Sir-vince: "getent services syslog" |
| 18:45.43 | stew | Sir-vince: by default, it doesn't listen hoever, enable it in /etc/default/syslogd |
| 18:45.50 | Sir-vince | ok, thanks :) |
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| 18:46.39 | luke-jr_ | azeem: Piet: any guides on making Debian packages without Debian itself? |
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| 18:47.34 | luke-jr_ | or perhaps a minimal Debian chroot for building them? |
| 18:47.41 | sneex | debian live |
| 18:47.42 | sneex | ? |
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| 18:59.44 | Piet | luke-jr_: i'm not qualified to answer this. |
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| 19:00.33 | alephant | Hi all |
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| 19:00.50 | Vasistha | dylan_: you should increase your audio buffer ... the audio is not getting enough processing power to decode in real-time when you are doing other processor-intensive things |
| 19:01.39 | dylan_ | Vasistha, and how do i do this? |
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| 19:02.40 | Vasistha | dylan_: depends what audio system you're using. hopefully you're using alsa? If so, I can't help you, but plenty of others can. If you happen to be using KDE and aRts (a bad idea) then I can help you |
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| 19:04.16 | alephant | I found the answer myself ;-) |
| 19:04.21 | alephant | And I didn't even ask the question. |
| 19:04.25 | alephant | All hail TFM! |
| 19:04.32 | alephant | dpkg -x |
| 19:04.47 | wols | ElectricElf: we're please. come back again sometime |
| 19:04.48 | kristalino | when i try to mount -o loop, i got : "ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy" Why ?? |
| 19:04.52 | roxy_ | when doing "mkinitramfs /boot/initrd-2.6.17-vanilla.img x.y.z" what x.y.z should be ? |
| 19:05.39 | Vasistha | wols: wrong chan? |
| 19:05.47 | alephant | kristalino, have you rebooted? |
| 19:05.57 | kristalino | alephant, several times, yes |
| 19:06.26 | Vasistha | rebooted? That's not usually a debian solution, unless you installed a new kernel or rewrote your partition table... |
| 19:06.26 | alephant | kristalino, so there's something holding that file descriptor open |
| 19:06.45 | Vasistha | kristalino: have you checked out lsof ? |
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| 19:07.07 | alephant | Vasitha sure it is! If something's holding your fd and you don't know what/why, then rebooting is usually the quickest-n-dirtiest solution |
| 19:07.22 | Vasistha | "ditry", indeed |
| 19:07.27 | alephant | :-D |
| 19:07.43 | Vasistha | and in this case, it seems not to be solving the problem at all |
| 19:08.00 | alephant | so we wait for kristalino's output from ``lsof'' |
| 19:08.05 | dylan_ | Vasistha, I am using ALSA, yes. |
| 19:08.05 | Vasistha | I used to reboot more often when I was more of a beginner |
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| 19:08.43 | Vasistha | dylan_: so you want to increase the audio buffer, or cache, in alsa. You just might be able to get the answer by googling alsa cache increase or alsa buffer or something |
| 19:08.50 | dylan_ | ok cool |
| 19:08.52 | dylan_ | thanks |
| 19:08.52 | alephant | I stopped rebooting for a while, then I realized that debugging wasn't always optimal. Now the first time a system misbehaves, I reboot. If it happens again, I debug. |
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| 19:09.03 | cy_ | yo |
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| 19:10.15 | cy_ | spell checking |
| 19:10.15 | kristalino | Vasistha, sorry ? |
| 19:10.16 | cy_ | yes |
| 19:10.17 | cy_ | lol |
| 19:10.25 | cy_ | thanks Vasistha .. i disabled, works. ty |
| 19:10.29 | cy_ | i'm kinda drunk :D |
| 19:10.38 | wols | kristalino: do not paste in here |
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| 19:10.46 | alephant | so kristalino, what's the proc w/ pid 9740? |
| 19:10.53 | Vasistha | kristalino: you don't want to paste too many lines, although it looks like you only did 3. Preferably don't paste even that much, though |
| 19:11.15 | kristalino | wols, 3 lines is my paste limit. Is it too big ? |
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| 19:11.18 | Vasistha | ps aux | grep 9740 |
| 19:11.30 | kristalino | alephant, no idea. |
| 19:11.52 | alephant | ps aux | grep 9740 |
| 19:11.54 | kristalino | Vasistha, what is the paste limit ? 2 ? |
| 19:12.27 | roxy_ | to to a initrd, is the easiest way to use mkinitramfs or is there a more debianised way to do ? |
| 19:12.35 | ShredZ | Does the debian installer always format the / partition or is it optional (in case you want to use an already formatted partition) ? |
| 19:12.36 | Vasistha | re: paste limit, I honestly don't know, but people here in #debian seem not to like much pasting at all, beyond one line |
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| 19:12.52 | Vasistha | if you do 5 or more, you'll be automatically kicked, though |
| 19:13.15 | roxy_ | kristalino: I think the limit is 3 |
| 19:13.17 | alephant | ShredZ, AFAICT it is always optional... but it seems dangerous to me |
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| 19:13.44 | Vasistha | kristalino: most of the reason I said "careful" is that when someone pastes as you did, often more lines follow ;-) |
| 19:13.54 | ShredZ | alephant, the thing is I have one huge / partition with my homes and a gentoo system, but I want to go debian and not lose all my data :/ |
| 19:14.22 | kristalino | Vasistha, hehe. |
| 19:14.29 | Vasistha | ShredZ: you could copy /home to a new partition |
| 19:14.30 | alephant | ShredZ, the way to do that is *not* installing w/ the same old / partition ;-) |
| 19:14.45 | kristalino | well it doesn't help that much for my loopback problem. Any other ideas > |
| 19:14.46 | kristalino | ? |
| 19:14.47 | Vasistha | kristalino: anyway, did you get ps aux | grep 9740 yet |
| 19:15.09 | kristalino | Vasistha, root 9740 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 05:06 0:00 [loop0] (1 line ;) ) |
| 19:15.28 | ShredZ | alephant, naturally I'd remove all the gentoo root folders except /home, not too sure what you meant there |
| 19:15.30 | Vasistha | hrm, kill 9740 and try again? |
| 19:16.12 | alephant | ShredZ -- ok, that's saner-sounding |
| 19:16.15 | Vasistha | ShredZ: are you aiming to just keep your documents, or do you want to hold on to settings and caches as well? |
| 19:16.47 | alephant | ShredZ, I would only caution you not to add the same user[s] during the Deb install |
| 19:16.53 | ShredZ | Vasistha, I want to backup some /etc files (like samba and X configs and such) and keep my home directory documents and maybe the kde setup |
| 19:16.58 | alephant | (and make a backup before you start!) |
| 19:17.13 | ShredZ | alephant, no, that part about the users I figured out |
| 19:17.42 | Vasistha | ShredZ: any reason you can't just shrink your gentoo partition and install debian on a new partition and copy the /home and /etc data over? |
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| 19:18.53 | ShredZ | Vasistha, I suppose a typical desktop debian system wouldn't take up over 5GB in disk space so that may be the sanest idea |
| 19:18.55 | alephant | boot w/ LiveCD, delete what you don't need, resize_reiserfs (or whatever), repartition, reinstall |
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| 19:19.17 | Vasistha | ShredZ: yeah, 5gb should be plenty for a typical system |
| 19:19.27 | roxy_ | is there an how to on how to use the initrd-tools package ? |
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| 19:19.58 | Vasistha | !reiserfs |
| 19:19.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 19:20.18 | ShredZ | Vasistha, somebody mentioned that to me yesterday when it seemed it had gone bad :) |
| 19:20.40 | Vasistha | ShredZ: the axe has fallen, huh? |
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| 19:21.06 | signature16 | When I "postfix reload" it says: Permission Denied. How do I fix that? |
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| 19:21.24 | ShredZ | Vasistha, actually I was using the wrong architecture kernel, reiser only failed me once on gentoo when the nvidia driver crashed but it only messed up some folder names and filenames, so I managed to glue it back together |
| 19:21.34 | Vasistha | signature16: perhaps you need to run it as the proper user? |
| 19:22.07 | ShredZ | Vasistha, then again I always thought a k7 could run i686 without hickups... was a weird problem anyway as the system ran perfectly for 3 hours straight |
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| 19:22.10 | Vasistha | ShredZ: heh, I guess you're luckier than some! Are you moving away from reiser, then? |
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| 19:22.42 | ShredZ | Vasistha, thinking about it, but my system was noticably speedier on reiser then ext3. |
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| 19:23.45 | _ds | Dev q: which FF/Moz dev package(s) contain(s) a header file which defines struct NPSetWindowCallbackStruct? |
| 19:23.55 | Vasistha | ShredZ: yeah, the factoid seems to acknowledge that. I've seen some statistics posted for speed comparisons of ext3, jfs, xfs, but can't remember where they were. Anyway, I think ext3 is usually slower than jfs, xfs, you might look into those |
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| 19:24.49 | ShredZ | Vasistha, I'll pinch of some space from the gentoo partition and try some things with debian, then I can always remove the gentoo system later and use that part for my home. Thanks for the help |
| 19:24.59 | roxy_ | where can I find the doc for package foo ? |
| 19:25.00 | signature16 | Vasistha: i typed "su vmail -c postfix reload" and now it says, "Postfix: fatal: the postfix command is reserved for the superuser" |
| 19:25.07 | Vasistha | ShredZ: you're welcome! good luck with it |
| 19:25.22 | bluefox83 | is linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 compiled with gcc4.1? |
| 19:25.37 | Vasistha | roxy_: it varies a bit, but you could always find /usr -name '*foo*' |
| 19:26.10 | Vasistha | roxy_: have you checked google for an initrd howto? |
| 19:26.30 | bluefox83 | how would i find out what compiler was used to compile a linux image binary |
| 19:26.31 | bluefox83 | ? |
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| 19:27.07 | Vasistha | signature16: sounds like you've got to be root? |
| 19:27.08 | _ds | Dev q: which FF/Moz dev package(s) contain(s) a header file which defines struct NPSetWindowCallbackStruct? (Needed to get gxineplugin working with Firefox 1.5 etc.) |
| 19:27.30 | signature16 | Vasistha: ya..thats what i thought. hmm ill just retry everything |
| 19:27.32 | signature16 | thanks |
| 19:27.54 | roxy_ | Vasistha: I found the package I need, initramfs-tools, and found the doc (using kpkg -L), so I am just a man page away from mastery. |
| 19:27.55 | cjaymes | what's that technique called that groups by operator? ie: or(and(true, false), and(false, true)) ? reverse polish notation? |
| 19:28.15 | _ds | 2 2 + . |
| 19:28.16 | alephant | FWIW reiser has never failed me in 3 years |
| 19:28.22 | alephant | gotta run, baby's up |
| 19:28.28 | alephant | thanks for the laughs all |
| 19:28.42 | cjaymes | hmm |
| 19:28.57 | cjaymes | I thought there was one with the oper in front |
| 19:28.57 | roxy_ | Vasistha: I know it is just a one line command, but can't remember it :-) |
| 19:29.11 | cjaymes | reverse RPN ;) |
| 19:29.19 | Gathond | cjaymes: there are polish notation, which has the operand then the 2 arguments + 2 2 and reverse polish which has the operand last |
| 19:29.28 | Gathond | s/operand/operator/ |
| 19:29.37 | cjaymes | I see |
| 19:30.09 | Gathond | cjaymes: RPN is more used in computers than PN, since it lends itself to an easy implementation as a stack machine |
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| 19:30.22 | cjaymes | I'm trying to make a user-friendly way to make SQL searches & I think I need an intermediate form of some sort |
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| 19:30.37 | Gathond | operators work on the last to items on the stack and puts the result back |
| 19:30.59 | cjaymes | I thought if I had the operators as keys in a hash, I could use that as grouping |
| 19:31.43 | cjaymes | I don't think I'll really be able to use the benefits of stacks; I'm at too high a level |
| 19:31.48 | _ds | Trees? |
| 19:32.00 | cjaymes | yeah; multi-layer hashes |
| 19:32.46 | cjaymes | with PN, I'll be able to have a collapsed 'readable' form as well |
| 19:33.55 | cjaymes | heh, I guess the SQL would be somewhat readable too :) |
| 19:34.07 | mcm | today i bought an 300gb externel hd. and i want to use it to store and backup data from my private linux laptop as much as from my work windows laptop. what options do i have as filesystem? |
| 19:34.21 | _ds | mcm: the usual range |
| 19:34.23 | cjaymes | fat is easiest |
| 19:34.38 | mcm | NTFS is out of question since it's only windows, fat has problems with large filesize. |
| 19:34.42 | _ds | => FAT, FAT and FAT :-) |
| 19:34.50 | cjaymes | ext2 actually works ok on either; have to use a program installed on windows |
| 19:34.59 | mcm | how about ext3? |
| 19:35.17 | mcm | cjaymes: without any problems? |
| 19:35.21 | cjaymes | I dunno if they had support for that; there's not much difference though for an external drive |
| 19:35.24 | cjaymes | I didn't have any |
| 19:35.30 | cjaymes | it's been a little while though |
| 19:35.55 | cjaymes | I think the programs was ext2fs explorer or something like that |
| 19:36.11 | mcm | it doesn't matter external or internal both are the same. one is over ide the other over usb. |
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| 19:36.32 | mcm | i will look for this program. thanks. |
| 19:36.46 | cjaymes | np |
| 19:37.21 | roxy_ | Vasistha: How can I know the version needed by the -k option of update-initramfs, if I want to create the initram a kernel 2.6.17, I got 2 such kernel on my /boot partition and I am not running it at the moment ? |
| 19:37.38 | Xgates | it's been sometime since I last used Debian, but one thing I never really looked into before was installing from source, can, or will debian install with apt-get like FreeBSD with regards to ports, grabbing and compiling and installing source for you? |
| 19:37.39 | mcm | it looks like you are no soccer fans.... |
| 19:38.06 | wols | yes it will. apt-get build |
| 19:38.16 | wols | but it's not a source based distro in any way, shape or form |
| 19:38.41 | icebit | anybody use java? |
| 19:38.48 | roxy_ | icebit: yes |
| 19:38.55 | wols | icebit: ask your real question instead |
| 19:39.07 | Xgates | yes I know it's not a source based distro, so you just run the cmd --> 'apt-get build <pkgname>' ? |
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| 19:39.37 | bluefox83 | ok, i totally fubared my system.. |
| 19:39.51 | bluefox83 | i did an apt-get update that installed gcc-4.1 |
| 19:39.57 | wols | apt-get source --build. mea culpa |
| 19:39.59 | roxy_ | Xgates: why not installing directly from package ? |
| 19:40.01 | wols | shows how often I do it |
| 19:40.06 | bluefox83 | when i removed it, i think it messed up what my system uses for C |
| 19:40.22 | icebit | roxy_: where directory to jre-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin ? |
| 19:40.36 | bluefox83 | wols: eh? |
| 19:40.38 | wols | !tell icebit about java-package |
| 19:40.40 | roxy_ | icebit: how did you installed it ? |
| 19:40.41 | wols | icebit: nowhere |
| 19:40.59 | wols | bluefox83: hm? |
| 19:41.10 | bluefox83 | wols: was that apt-get thing to me? |
| 19:41.29 | wols | no |
| 19:41.39 | wols | to Xgates |
| 19:41.51 | bluefox83 | ok, well you wouldn't happen to know how to tell my system to use gcc-4.0 would you? |
| 19:42.04 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure it should work |
| 19:42.10 | wols | or fix /etc/alternatives manually |
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| 19:42.18 | Xgates | roxy_: well for me my past 7 years in Linux, I've pretty much compiled my own source and compared to precompiled binaries I have always had better results with compiling source, given better performance and stability, the advantages are clear .... |
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| 19:42.59 | wols | bluefox83: no. it's just a symlink in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 19:42.59 | dylan_ | How do I increase my ALSA cache size??? |
| 19:43.05 | wols | guess g++ too |
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| 19:43.22 | bluefox83 | wols: how do i set it up? |
| 19:43.22 | freeone3000 | How would I remove all packages that don't have a specific reason to be there? For instance, undepended upon libs. |
| 19:43.30 | wols | bluefox83: set up what? |
| 19:43.43 | wols | bluefox83: just reinstall your desired gcc version. guess that's the easiest way |
| 19:43.44 | bluefox83 | wols: my system, to use gcc-4.0 |
| 19:43.50 | bluefox83 | oh |
| 19:43.52 | bluefox83 | ok :) |
| 19:44.23 | roxy_ | Xgates: debian stable and testing are stable enough for me :-) |
| 19:44.34 | dylan_ | does anybody know how to increase the alsa cache size so my music isn't so darn choppy? |
| 19:44.49 | Xgates | wols: I've been looking online, didn't notice anything about 'apt-get buid'? |
| 19:46.26 | kronoz | Xgates: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/apt-build |
| 19:46.30 | Xgates | roxy_: sure it is, it's just the way in which I've come to use Linux, all my background and experience has been more hands on, so for me, it would only be natural to deal with things in this way, but I just want something more automated is all now, rather then doing it all by hand |
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| 19:46.35 | Xgates | kronoz: thanks |
| 19:46.54 | bluefox83 | isn't there a package like "build essentials"? |
| 19:47.27 | dylan_ | bluefox83, build-essential |
| 19:47.28 | Xgates | kronoz: no I meant is there a TUT online going over all the cmds, details in the way in which apt-get build works? |
| 19:47.31 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 19:48.24 | bluefox83 | crap! to install that you gotta also install gcc-4.1 and i don't know what kernels are compiled by that compiler! |
| 19:48.24 | dylan_ | can somebody please help me increase the alsa cache size? |
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| 19:50.57 | wols | bluefox83: you don't. in the build-essential depends are: gcc (>= 3:3.3), g++ (>= 3:3.3) |
| 19:51.01 | wols | no 4.1 necessary |
| 19:52.45 | roxy_ | Xgates: funny, I probably came to linux a couple of years after you did. When I started it was redhat 7.3, and I never really needed to do anything that "low" level. I learned after because I was interested, but I never _had_ to do it. |
| 19:52.55 | bluefox83 | wols: not when i try to apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:53.20 | bluefox83 | it tries to force me to install gcc-4.1 and g++-4.1 |
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| 19:54.19 | bluefox83 | damnit why do i always have problems with this stuff? |
| 19:54.42 | dylan_ | ok i guess nobody wishes to help me |
| 19:54.52 | tarzeau | dylan_: it's not a cache, it's a buffer |
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| 19:55.24 | dylan_ | tarzeau, oh, well -- thanks. but i cant find anything related on google |
| 19:55.46 | Xgates | roxy_: well if you've been around it for any length of time like I have, which you sound like you are, then you would of, or should of seen then the problems with precompiled binaries and all the rpm madness back then, granted things have come along ways since then in improving performance, but compiling for your own ARCH will always give some improvements, whether they are really of concern for you, that's up to the individual user.... |
| 19:55.56 | tarzeau | dylan_: it's an application thing |
| 19:56.03 | tarzeau | dylan_: i think. what software does make bad sound? |
| 19:56.17 | tarzeau | dylan_: which kernel? which soundcard? which driver? |
| 19:56.30 | roxy_ | Xgates: trute :-) |
| 19:56.34 | Fox | what kind of music ? :) |
| 19:56.37 | roxy_ | s/trute/true |
| 19:56.38 | tarzeau | Fox: haha |
| 19:56.54 | Xgates | roxy_: alot of people can get away with precompiled and then there are still those that will have some issues.... |
| 19:56.55 | freeone3000 | bluefox83: Meh. All you have to do is have gcc-4.0 installed and when you want to compile using it, set $CC to gcc-4.0 |
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| 19:57.07 | dylan_ | tarzeau, i am using kernel 2.6-386 ... the sound is choppy whilst using XMMS and Rhythmbox. I believe I am using OSS. Not sure. |
| 19:57.14 | tarzeau | dylan_: 2.6.what? |
| 19:57.20 | dylan_ | tarzeau, 2.6.2 |
| 19:57.21 | dylan_ | ? |
| 19:57.27 | tarzeau | dylan_: can you try some more sound programs? |
| 19:57.34 | tarzeau | dylan_: yuck 2.6.2 ? where did you find that? |
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| 19:57.53 | kronoz | Xgates: install it and `man apt-build`? |
| 19:58.04 | dylan_ | tarzeau, i think it is 2.6.2 -- found it in the repos |
| 19:58.09 | tarzeau | dylan_: uname -a |
| 19:58.30 | dylan_ | 2.6.8-3286 |
| 19:58.33 | samuel | anyone know when linux-kbuild package will be available? |
| 19:58.34 | dylan_ | sorry |
| 19:58.40 | dylan_ | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 19:59.02 | kronoz | Xgates: http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 19:59.11 | tarzeau | dylan_: can you try opencubicplayer and tell which soundcard+driver? |
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| 19:59.23 | samuel | how can i search dpkg factoids? |
| 19:59.33 | tarzeau | samuel: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:59.45 | dylan_ | tarzeau, i do not understand this question. |
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| 20:00.11 | wols | dylan_: what soundcard do you have? |
| 20:00.18 | tarzeau | dylan_: what says lspci | grep udio |
| 20:00.27 | wols | and by running "lsmod" you should be able to see what driver you use |
| 20:00.35 | dylan_ | 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) |
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| 20:01.12 | tarzeau | haha |
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| 20:01.14 | wols | dylan_: "lsmod" Any snd_* showing up? |
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| 20:01.24 | tarzeau | !ops cow powaaaaaaaa ahead |
| 20:01.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: tarzeau complains about: cow powaaaaaaaa ahead |
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| 20:01.40 | dylan_ | wols, cs46xx |
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| 20:01.46 | itchi | He stole things or what ?? |
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| 20:01.59 | wols | dylan_: not your chip. driver names. |
| 20:02.04 | powaaaaaaaa_o | vivaaaaaaa DEBIAN !!!! |
| 20:02.05 | powaaaaaaaa_m | vivaaaaaaa DEBIAN !!!! |
| 20:02.08 | itchi | kick him yeah |
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| 20:02.16 | fowlduck | heh |
| 20:02.19 | BoBy_j | vive debian |
| 20:02.20 | BoBy_u | vive debian |
| 20:02.25 | tarzeau | hehe |
| 20:02.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b BoBy*!*@*] by stew |
| 20:02.27 | itchi | Yeah Debian rulles :-) And die you |
| 20:02.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b powaaaaaa*!*@*] by stew |
| 20:02.35 | tarzeau | independence day fans or something |
| 20:02.40 | dylan_ | wols, hmmm |
| 20:02.46 | itchi | How do it that ? |
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| 20:03.05 | dylan_ | wols, i am confused. |
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| 20:03.30 | itchi | Look an neighborhood of my Nederlands :-( |
| 20:03.35 | wols | dylan_: paste the lsmod output somewhere |
| 20:03.39 | wols | not here however |
| 20:03.50 | wols | itchi: idiots are a worldwide phenomenon |
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| 20:04.07 | dylan_ | wols, where can i go? |
| 20:04.09 | itchi | wols: Near that i was thinking :-/ |
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| 20:04.16 | wols | !paster |
| 20:04.17 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 20:04.20 | dylan_ | pastebin.com ? |
| 20:04.21 | dylan_ | ok |
| 20:04.25 | dylan_ | ill use pastebin.com |
| 20:04.35 | wols | no don't. it's awfully slow latel |
| 20:04.45 | dylan_ | then i will use pastebin.ca |
| 20:04.55 | itchi | He i'm playing with teamspeak, bbrr comercial thing an looking to somethings alternative for on Flight Gear Flight Simulator |
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| 20:05.10 | dylan_ | wols, http://pastebin.ca/79011 |
| 20:05.38 | tarzeau | someone got nasa world wind to run on debian? |
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| 20:05.56 | wols | you use ALSA dylan_ |
| 20:05.56 | stoned | tarzeau, hmm, what is that |
| 20:06.02 | itchi | tarzeau: Euhm i want been try it :-) |
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| 20:06.17 | itchi | tarzeau: That's an diabolic thing?? |
| 20:06.22 | tarzeau | stoned: like maps.google but open source and at some parts of the world more high res, some more interesting maps |
| 20:06.27 | dylan_ | wols, oh ok |
| 20:06.28 | itchi | tarzeau: I mean for $M right ? |
| 20:06.29 | dylan_ | wols, thank you |
| 20:06.32 | tarzeau | itchi: nope, it's pretty nice |
| 20:06.40 | stoned | nice |
| 20:06.44 | tarzeau | itchi: well there's source to it, but yes i'm on windows trying it now |
| 20:06.51 | stoned | oh btw, did you watch, the laucned the new shuttle today |
| 20:06.58 | stoned | launched* |
| 20:07.04 | dylan_ | stoned, watch it explode ... |
| 20:07.07 | tarzeau | stoned: only in the news, where to watch it full length? |
| 20:07.07 | stoned | lol |
| 20:07.12 | stoned | tarzeau, oh I dunno mate |
| 20:07.17 | stoned | I also saw the news |
| 20:07.18 | tarzeau | stoned: is there movies of the outer cam of the shuttle itself? |
| 20:07.27 | tarzeau | stoned: what country? |
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| 20:07.40 | stoned | tarzeau, I do not know, however I would like to find out. If you find out let me know. Me? I am in USA |
| 20:07.49 | itchi | tarzeau: I had it try on windows(tm'ed) to. Have you try it with wine? I have not test it here, |
| 20:07.59 | roxy_ | I just booted in 2.6.17 kernel. X gave me a no pointer device error. I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't seems to have the option I need. In Xorg.conf, the pointerdevice file is /dev/input/mice and no such file exist at moment. |
| 20:08.03 | tarzeau | itchi: nope, i don't like wine |
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| 20:08.14 | icebit | anybody use jfreechart and swt? |
| 20:08.19 | wols | dylan_: just make sure your music programs DON'T use /dev/dsp for output |
| 20:08.26 | itchi | tarzeau: I gues you love beer :-) |
| 20:08.26 | tarzeau | itchi: pity it needs .net and directx |
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| 20:08.36 | tarzeau | itchi: no i don't, i like wine, but the real one |
| 20:08.37 | roxy_ | icebit: ask your question |
| 20:08.38 | wols | icebit: ask your real question |
| 20:08.41 | wols | !anyone |
| 20:08.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:08.43 | itchi | tarzeau: :-) |
| 20:08.57 | dylan_ | wols, is there a way to fix this problem, or should i go back to ubuntu? |
| 20:09.05 | icebit | how to install freechart swt and java? |
| 20:09.14 | wols | dylan_: if ubuntu can do it, then debian can do too |
| 20:09.30 | wols | icebit: I already told you about java-package |
| 20:09.35 | dylan_ | wols, Right. Only problem is Ubuntu is not a free distro |
| 20:09.35 | roxy_ | icebit: google "install java debian" and you'll find really easy steps to follow |
| 20:09.42 | wols | !java-package |
| 20:09.42 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 20:10.01 | wols | !tell icebit about java |
| 20:10.19 | stew | dylan_: you have the oss module loaded (cs46xx) before the alsa module, which means your alsa wont work |
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| 20:10.35 | wols | stew: damn. didn't see that. thanks |
| 20:10.40 | Maescool | hi guys |
| 20:10.45 | Maescool | i have an annoying problem |
| 20:10.49 | dylan_ | stew, so should i just go back to ubuntu or something? |
| 20:10.56 | stew | dylan_: you should "modrobe -r cs46xx" and "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add "snd-pcm-oss" to /etc/modules |
| 20:11.05 | Maescool | binary is missing a library... i wanna specify its library path manually |
| 20:11.15 | Maescool | so i wanna run it like: LD="/usr/bin/whatever" aticonfig |
| 20:11.28 | Maescool | im just looking for the correct environment variable name |
| 20:11.31 | Maescool | anyone got a clue |
| 20:11.31 | stew | dylan_: run whichever you are more comfortable with, this problem should certainly not be insurmountable |
| 20:11.43 | dylan_ | stew, i heard ubuntu was non-free. is this true? |
| 20:11.47 | wols | Maescool: LD_PRELOAD |
| 20:11.57 | Maescool | ty wols |
| 20:12.02 | stew | dylan_: i dont know |
| 20:15.12 | itchi | tarzeau: I get the message when i try to download :-/ Could not read file.Go back. /home/ftp/pub/sourceforge//n/na/nasa-exp/World_Wind_1.3.5_src.zip |
| 20:15.21 | sid | If I buy a thinkpad laptop, can I really get a refund for my copy of windows XP that comes with it? Has anyone ever actually gotten a refund in here?(not your friend or you heard of someone, but YOU actually got a refund and didn't pay for windows XP) |
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| 20:15.39 | tarzeau | itchi: report it to them? |
| 20:15.39 | itchi | tarzeau: Brrrr, we can not download the source of it |
| 20:15.42 | Tsop | which chat i can use so i can use MSN and Yahoo |
| 20:15.47 | itchi | tarzeau: Yeah :-) |
| 20:15.47 | tarzeau | itchi: what says file the.file? |
| 20:15.52 | tarzeau | itchi: what did you download with? |
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| 20:16.05 | roxy_ | my 2.6.15 xserver-xorg works, the 2.6.17 one doesn't. Can I assume that I am missing a module in the 2.6.17 ? How can I find out which one ? |
| 20:16.16 | itchi | tarzeau: With my firefox here on http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.html |
| 20:16.28 | Lord_Nightmare | how do i force defoma or whatever the font manager program is to update the current list of fonts? i donwnloaded xfonts-jwb but neep alt isn't appearing in the selection list in xchat |
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| 20:17.22 | tarzeau | itchi: i haven't tried to get the source... |
| 20:17.30 | itchi | tarzeau: Doh, when pressing the 'back' link there on that page... We can download it |
| 20:17.35 | wols | roxy_: what videocard? what driver? |
| 20:17.46 | wols | if it's a proprietary driver, then yes you miss one |
| 20:17.47 | itchi | tarzeau: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/nasa-exp here you can get it |
| 20:18.14 | tarzeau | itchi: i don't intend to port it... the maps are not as highres as i wanted them |
| 20:18.30 | itchi | tarzeau: Port it :-p |
| 20:18.47 | tarzeau | itchi: what for? if i can't see the places i want to see in high res? |
| 20:19.09 | itchi | tarzeau: Yeah, Google earth then?? |
| 20:19.28 | tarzeau | itchi: the map data is better than in maps.google webpage? |
| 20:19.44 | roxy_ | wols: the message is no core pointer, I think it is a mouse problem. In xorg.conf, the device file is /dev/input/mice , but I don't have such file. |
| 20:19.58 | tarzeau | itchi: lucerne at 5th zoom factor doesn't have data |
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| 20:20.04 | stew | roxy_: "modprobe mousedev" add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 20:20.06 | wols | sounds like it yes |
| 20:20.30 | tarzeau | itchi: k trying it |
| 20:21.04 | itchi | tarzeau: You need to try :-) There's an /beta/ for linux to :-) |
| 20:21.22 | tarzeau | itchi: no thanks, easier with windows you know =) |
| 20:21.41 | roxy_ | stew: should I delete psmouse ? (I am using a usb wireless mouse/keyboard now) |
| 20:22.05 | stew | roxy_: if you aren't using it you can remove it, but it won't matter if you leave it either |
| 20:22.08 | tarzeau | itchi: but i'd like to port mbmon to windows... |
| 20:22.13 | Tsop | which chat i can use so i can use MSN and Yahoo??? |
| 20:22.39 | tarzeau | Tsop: amsn for the first |
| 20:22.41 | stew | Tsop: gaim/bitlebee |
| 20:22.50 | roxy_ | stew: can I do "startx" from emacs shell ? I am inside emacs to irc whithout x. |
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| 20:23.04 | itchi | tarzeau: Look to this http://mpmap02.flightgear.org/ :-) Bassed on maps.google... |
| 20:23.05 | stew | roxy_: yes |
| 20:23.21 | tarzeau | itchi: you fly also for real? |
| 20:23.25 | evilbulgarian | hi, recently my internet has become really slow! my linux box has been up for around 180 days and am reluctant do do a restart wondering if there is something i can do to troubleshoot it? |
| 20:23.26 | Tsop | stew, thanks |
| 20:24.02 | itchi | tarzeau: Yeah i'm so high with it :-P so high :-p |
| 20:24.24 | roxy_ | stew: working, thanks for your help |
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| 20:24.51 | itchi | tarzeau: Know you about fgfs?? |
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| 20:24.59 | tarzeau | itchi: nope |
| 20:25.10 | itchi | tarzeau: Try to fix it in Etch lol, it's broken in Etch :-( |
| 20:25.19 | tarzeau | itchi: i prefer to get high keeping my legs on earth |
| 20:25.21 | itchi | tarzeau: YOU need to try it!!! |
| 20:25.36 | tarzeau | itchi: lol i never use testing... i got stable and sid |
| 20:25.45 | itchi | tarzeau: Realy crazy lol ;-) http://www.flightgear.org/ |
| 20:25.49 | Tsop | stew, i installed it apt-get install gaim but how can i get it in the gnome |
| 20:25.56 | tarzeau | itchi: testing is the most broken thing... |
| 20:26.00 | itchi | tarzeau: I'm to bad to go sid :-/ |
| 20:26.13 | itchi | tarzeau: sid better that Etch ?? |
| 20:26.24 | _ds | Hmm, odd. packages.debian.org's file search and "list of files" links are b0rked... |
| 20:26.25 | tarzeau | itchi: if you ask me, for sure |
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| 20:27.30 | tarzeau | itchi: i'd rather fly this one http://www.pwacentral.com/ekoctlig.jpg |
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| 20:27.48 | tarzeau | _ds: try packages.debian.org |
| 20:28.00 | fowlduck | is there a way to echo all your environment variables and their values? |
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| 20:28.04 | stew | Tsop: you can type "gaim" at a command line to start it. it should also be in the debian menu, there is probably a gnome applet, but i dont' really know about gnome |
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| 20:28.05 | _ds | tarzeau, that's what I'm using... |
| 20:28.08 | itchi | tarzeau: Can i download that beautyfull thinkg GIVE me the DOWNload link :-) |
| 20:28.13 | madboy-76 | hi |
| 20:28.15 | tarzeau | fowlduck: sure echo `env` or `set`? |
| 20:28.16 | _ds | It's b0rken ATM. |
| 20:28.38 | _ds | Claiming "package doesn't exist" when I click on a list-of-files link. |
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| 20:28.57 | tarzeau | _ds: which package name is it? |
| 20:28.59 | madboy-76 | has anyone seen evolution display only the first word in each line in subjects and messages? |
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| 20:29.05 | madboy-76 | in debian/sid |
| 20:29.10 | tarzeau | madboy-76: hahaha sounds like fun |
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| 20:29.19 | madboy-76 | tarzeau: indeed! |
| 20:29.28 | tarzeau | madboy-76: i'm fascinated how they can keep it broken for all these years |
| 20:29.35 | _ds | tarzeau, AFAICS, any package - for example, gxine. Also, the filename search is failing. |
| 20:29.38 | tarzeau | madboy-76: you need its calendar? |
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| 20:29.49 | tarzeau | _ds: ah maybe it's broken right now |
| 20:29.53 | wols | _ds: you need kernel-headers |
| 20:30.00 | wols | fowlduck: env |
| 20:30.03 | madboy-76 | tarzeau: well, epiphany ellipsizes last words too... so maybe it has something to do... |
| 20:30.09 | madboy-76 | tarzeau: not really |
| 20:30.14 | wols | oops. looked for napi.h |
| 20:30.46 | wols | _ds: mozilla-dev is probably what you need |
| 20:31.15 | tarzeau | epiphany another great piece of .. software |
| 20:31.16 | _ds | wols: conflicts with libmozjs-dev |
| 20:31.23 | _ds | wols: gxine depends on that |
| 20:31.26 | wols | and mozilla-dev list of files is not broken. but pretty useless to browser since it's >66 pages |
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| 20:31.33 | madboy-76 | tarzeau: I really love epiphany |
| 20:31.33 | _ds | (well, build-depends) |
| 20:31.51 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=npapi.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 20:31.53 | madboy-76 | tarzeau: it's way better than any other browser I've used... |
| 20:31.55 | wols | for stable is that |
| 20:32.28 | _ds | wols: now try unstable |
| 20:32.52 | _ds | wols: or testing |
| 20:33.19 | wols | ok, unstable and testing are broken. yesterday or so apt-file was broken afaik. it now caught up to pdo it seems |
| 20:33.39 | _ds | Right... |
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| 20:35.16 | korozion | If I'm running mysql-4.1 and want to go to 5, can I just apt-get install it, and it will upgrade and remove 4.1, or do I need to do some stuff manually? |
| 20:35.22 | LinuxHelp | war95, ping? |
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| 20:35.34 | hess_CPqD | hi |
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| 20:35.59 | LinuxHelp | anyway has anyone installed the nvidia drivers on debian testing? |
| 20:36.05 | LinuxHelp | (for graphics) |
| 20:36.07 | sid | !tell LinuxHelp about anyone |
| 20:36.13 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 20:36.23 | sid | LinuxHelp: /msg dpkg nvidia; /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner; /msg dpkg help; |
| 20:36.28 | sid | !tell LinuxHelp about msgdpkg |
| 20:36.54 | sid | LinuxHelp: and /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:37.11 | tarzeau | madboy-76: i don't like epiphany |
| 20:37.21 | sneex | is there some core development tools I need to create debian proggies? I searched for core and devel etc but other than gcc and relatives I see nothing |
| 20:37.34 | tarzeau | madboy-76: if you ask me links2 -g is really a way better browser than any other browser I've used... |
| 20:37.40 | sid | !tell sneex about build-essential |
| 20:37.41 | LinuxHelp | sid, it didnt come through |
| 20:37.45 | sid | sneex: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:37.59 | sneex | build |
| 20:38.00 | sneex | grrr |
| 20:38.02 | sneex | sorry =) |
| 20:38.20 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:38.24 | stoned | !b-e |
| 20:38.25 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:38.36 | stoned | word |
| 20:38.38 | stoned | :D |
| 20:38.39 | evilbulgarian | hi, anyone here know how to flush squid's cache? |
| 20:38.53 | tarzeau | evilbulgarian: you mean clear it? |
| 20:38.59 | tarzeau | evilbulgarian: yes it's documented |
| 20:38.59 | _ds | Hmm. I /could/ get away with gxine build-depending on mozilla-dev instead of libmozjs-dev | libsmjs-dev... |
| 20:39.08 | evilbulgarian | tarzeau: yeah where at ? |
| 20:39.19 | tarzeau | evilbulgarian: oh, i haven't used squid for many years |
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| 20:39.37 | madboy-76 | tarzeau: I've used links... is links2 much better? |
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| 20:40.13 | Fox | evilbulgarian: http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-7.html read 7.3 and 7.5 |
| 20:40.24 | Fox | and it's not a debian question |
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| 20:40.44 | stoned | well, may I reccomend webmin, the squid module provides a nice interface for that |
| 20:40.54 | stoned | I don't konw how #debian feels about webmin |
| 20:40.58 | stoned | just a thought... |
| 20:41.27 | sid | !webmin |
| 20:41.28 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 20:41.29 | evilbulgarian | Fox: thanks |
| 20:41.51 | stoned | sid, I don't use it, I tried it once it was sucky. But some people swear by it |
| 20:42.12 | sid | evilbulgarian: I bet people in #squid know. |
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| 20:42.29 | sid | !tell evilbulgarian about squid |
| 20:42.41 | sid | evilbulgarian: Or I bet the faq linked from the url dpkg gave you also answers that question. |
| 20:42.55 | Fox | ha already got the answer sid :) |
| 20:43.05 | sid | o I missed that |
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| 20:44.37 | sid | !confuse _ds |
| 20:44.37 | dpkg | Yes, where is their mushroom tomorrow, _ds? pants of the democracy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 20:44.38 | rhalff | can I set a command like 'apt-get install swig' in a sudoers file ? or can I only add 'apt-get' ? |
| 20:44.52 | dabreegster | I wish somebody would hurry up and build vim 7 for ARM so it could propogate into testing. |
| 20:45.01 | sid | rhalff: What version of Debian GNU / Linux are you using? |
| 20:45.14 | sid | !tell dabreegster about mentors |
| 20:45.17 | rhalff | sid: uhmm.. |
| 20:45.32 | stoned | rhalff, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:45.41 | dabreegster | I don't have an ARM box, I'm just impatient. |
| 20:46.02 | rhalff | sid, stoned , testing/unstable |
| 20:46.13 | sid | dabreegster: Can xen pretend to be arm? And you can chroot an arm enviroment?(disclaimer: I know nothing about xen) |
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| 20:46.33 | stoned | rhalff, what are you looking to do? |
| 20:46.40 | nas | how can i startx as non root user |
| 20:46.41 | dabreegster | sid: I know zilch about other architectures besides x86 |
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| 20:46.52 | nas | i get not authorized |
| 20:46.58 | sid | dabreegster: So why do you want vim7 for arm/testing? |
| 20:47.04 | nas | user not authorized to run xserver |
| 20:47.05 | rhalff | stoned, no clue why the version matters :) : can I set a command like 'apt-get install swig' in a sudoers file ? or can I only add 'apt-get' ? |
| 20:47.22 | nas | also something like unable to open wrapper config file |
| 20:47.25 | stoned | rhalff, I duno, sid wanted to know your version, not I |
| 20:47.34 | rhalff | so sid is a bot |
| 20:47.36 | rhalff | :) |
| 20:47.38 | dabreegster | sid: I don't. vim 7 for x86 isn't in testing at all because it's not yet built on the arm arch. According to the 'why isn't x in testing yet?' page as of yesterday. |
| 20:47.39 | stoned | no lol |
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| 20:47.44 | luke-jr_ | Does stable lack Qt 4 entirely? :/ |
| 20:47.55 | stoned | rhalff, you cannot put that in sudoers |
| 20:48.04 | stoned | rhalff, you want to do exactly what, I don't uderstand |
| 20:48.06 | Edwin_Quijada | There is package with squid and NCSA auth into sarge?? |
| 20:48.14 | _ds | dpkg, DRYD FRORG P¼LLS |
| 20:48.17 | _ds | ;-) |
| 20:48.57 | nas | it says it cant open /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config its not even there |
| 20:48.58 | stoned | rhalff, are you looking to make an alias for 'apt-get intall' so you can jsut type like 'inst blahpackage' and it runs apt-get in turn? |
| 20:49.07 | nas | but root has no trouble |
| 20:49.20 | rhalff | stoned, well I need a script, that could install swig only while I deploy my webapplication, then compile ruby bindings for svn on that machine, but it's a little bit to much to allow the script to access all of apt-get, probably I can.. yeah, that last one is probably better. |
| 20:49.31 | sid | dabreegster: echo "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get build-dep vim; apt-get source vim; ? |
| 20:49.55 | meriad | yummy |
| 20:49.58 | stoned | rhalff, apt-get has nothing to do with /etc/sudoers |
| 20:50.00 | sid | dabreegster: apt-get install build-essential; then just ./configure; make; make install; and you have the latest vim 7. |
| 20:50.11 | dabreegster | sid: I know I could. I actually built it from source the day it was released. I just prefer it to already be in testing to save me hassle. |
| 20:50.24 | rhalff | stoned, well apt-get is a command, so it has to do with sudoers :) |
| 20:50.49 | stoned | I am failing to make the connection |
| 20:51.20 | rhalff | stoned, talking to your date ? |
| 20:51.34 | sid | dabreegster: You could apt-get install checkinstall; then checkinstall will make a vim.deb for you. So it's less hassle. |
| 20:51.35 | stoned | !lart rhalff |
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| 20:51.53 | dabreegster | sid: I guess so. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 20:54.36 | LinuxMafia | is vmware in debian ports? i can not find it , dont know how to install it |
| 20:54.48 | LinuxMafia | vmware-workstation |
| 20:54.54 | wols | vmware is a commercial program |
| 20:54.56 | rhalff | stoned, hm, my whole automatic apt-get and compile thing is probably kinda useless I realize :) |
| 20:54.58 | wols | it can't be in debian |
| 20:55.25 | wols | debian has no "ports" system either btw |
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| 20:55.40 | LinuxMafia | wols, but can i download it and install it? |
| 20:56.02 | wols | ask vmware.com, not debian |
| 20:56.17 | LinuxMafia | thanks |
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| 20:58.18 | sneex | is apache 2.2.2 available in Etch? if so, can I temporarily use Etch and not switch permanently or should I just build Apache from source tarball? |
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| 20:58.39 | stoned | yo thingfish man whats up |
| 20:58.47 | thingfish | hey stoned, not much man |
| 20:58.54 | stoned | where you been old timer |
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| 20:58.55 | thingfish | just enjoying a day off :) |
| 20:58.56 | wols | sneex: not in debian |
| 20:59.02 | stoned | ahh, happy 4th btw |
| 20:59.02 | sneex | kk |
| 20:59.06 | thingfish | stoned: I'm a working man now! :( |
| 20:59.09 | cr3 | what burning application would be recommended for gnome? |
| 20:59.11 | stoned | thingfish, where at? |
| 20:59.18 | stoned | call center yeah? |
| 20:59.57 | wols | sneex: apt-get build-dep apache2 btw |
| 21:00.31 | thingfish | stoned: at a place called USA 800. We take calls for, like, state tourism bureaus, women's clothing catalog orders, Louisiana state unemployment, some churches, etc. |
| 21:00.49 | rhalff | cr3, gnomebaker |
| 21:00.52 | sneex | wols: apt-cache policy states 2.0.54 is installed and the only candidate |
| 21:00.54 | stoned | cool, so long as it pays the bills yeah |
| 21:00.55 | stoned | hehe |
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| 21:01.19 | wols | sneex: I meant for you wanting to build 2.2. makes it easier for you |
| 21:01.20 | thingfish | stoned: the pay isn't great, but they give raises real fast if you're any good at all. |
| 21:01.37 | thingfish | stoned: a real plus was that they don't piss test. ;) |
| 21:01.43 | stoned | thingfish, cool. I have to go in for surgury |
| 21:01.48 | sneex | wols: kk thx =) |
| 21:01.50 | stoned | thingfish, yeah, I have not toked in 3 weeks now |
| 21:01.53 | David42UK | hi all, anyone know how to get the sagem fast 800 working with linux |
| 21:01.58 | dabreegster | thingfish: Unemployment insurance? |
| 21:02.01 | thingfish | stoned: no way! Sorry to hear that - I hope it's nothing major. |
| 21:02.02 | stoned | trying to get a job at dell, they pay well and they piss test |
| 21:02.03 | David42UK | its a usb modem |
| 21:02.16 | thingfish | dabreegster: no, a call center I work at. |
| 21:02.18 | stoned | thingfish, it is, quite serious |
| 21:02.24 | thingfish | eeww |
| 21:02.33 | _ds | I don't see anything in mozilla-dev's npapi.h which differs (significantly) from the old copy in gxine's source. |
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| 21:02.35 | dabreegster | thingfish: Yeah, but do they do unemployment insurance? |
| 21:02.39 | _ds | Which is good. |
| 21:02.39 | thingfish | stoned: well I will be hoping that it all comes out OK for you. |
| 21:02.42 | stoned | thingfish, I might suffer nerve damange to my left hand soon. Carpel Tunnel syndrome |
| 21:02.48 | dabreegster | thingfish: Or record data about it or something. |
| 21:02.50 | thingfish | dabreegster: yes, for the state of louisiana. |
| 21:02.56 | _ds | But it doesn't help: |
| 21:03.02 | stoned | thingfish, 20 years of guitar for hours on end every day literally |
| 21:03.02 | dabreegster | thingfish: Neat. Locally based? |
| 21:03.11 | stoned | brb |
| 21:03.22 | _ds | anybody know why (NPWindow*)->ws_info would be NULL? |
| 21:03.33 | thingfish | dabreegster: yes; we have 3 call centers, but the main one is where I work at, here in KC. |
| 21:03.50 | dabreegster | thingfish: Neat |
| 21:03.53 | thingfish | stoned: oh! Well on the plus side, they say the surgery really does help. |
| 21:04.33 | cr3 | rhalff: thanks for the tip, I'll try gnomebaker |
| 21:04.44 | David42UK | carpel tunnel is pretty routine and the surgery should make it has good as new |
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| 21:05.06 | thingfish | yeah this gal at work had the surgery and she says it was a fantastic success. |
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| 21:05.45 | Tsop | i need help to setup my Netgear MA401 pcmcia card , i'm on debian 3.1 |
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| 21:07.06 | garo | Why does phpmyadmin suggest php[45]-gd ? What does this package add to phpmyadmin ? |
| 21:07.06 | ShredZ | Vasistha, well, I took a bite out of the reiser partition, but the resize_reiserfs manual says you have to change the size of the partition on the hard drive as well using cfdisk. How does one do this ? Remove the partition and make a new one with the same starting sector ? |
| 21:07.19 | David42UK | i am trying to build the eagle-usb driver, I have the kernel source in /usr/src/linux, even when I tell the configure script that it cannot find it |
| 21:07.22 | tarzeau | madboy-76: yes links2 is much better |
| 21:07.31 | sneex | Does this error mean I am missing something from sources.list? /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_source_Sources |
| 21:07.34 | tarzeau | madboy-76: it does javascript, graphics rendering and https |
| 21:08.21 | dabreegster | tarzeau: It's nice for quickling rendering graphics with svgalib. elinks is better, personally, for anything else. Though the Javascript support is a bit weak, and disabled by default in Debian |
| 21:08.31 | dabreegster | s/quickling/quickly/ |
| 21:09.00 | dabreegster | sneex: That looks more like a file than an error. |
| 21:09.49 | David42UK | sneex: that is a repository by the looks of it |
| 21:10.04 | sneex | wols: Your apat-get build-deps apache2 generates that error /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_source_Sources |
| 21:10.10 | sneex | apt-get* |
| 21:10.36 | Vasistha | ShredZ: heh, just got back, I was gone 45 mins... |
| 21:11.03 | ShredZ | Vasistha, np, didn't ask more then 4 mins ago |
| 21:11.24 | Vasistha | ShredZ: yeah, I see that ... anyway, have you looked into parted ? |
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| 21:11.59 | luke-jr_ | ugh |
| 21:12.09 | ShredZ | Vasistha, nope, last time I resized it was using the resize program, but I can't remember back that far |
| 21:12.10 | luke-jr_ | you binary OS are annoying to do any compiling on :/ |
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| 21:12.21 | sneex | About: http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_source_Sources Im adding the line to sources.list and will see \= Thx =) |
| 21:13.08 | ShredZ | Vasistha, just checked parted, but there's no "real" resize command either |
| 21:13.13 | Vasistha | ShredZ: check out parted, I dunno if it handles reiser, but if it does, I think it's your best bet |
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| 21:13.38 | ShredZ | Vasistha, just slap me will ya I need glasses sorry |
| 21:13.42 | Vasistha | "real" resize command? |
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| 21:13.54 | Vasistha | !slap ShredZ |
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| 21:14.16 | rue_mohr | anyone know what became of gmc ? |
| 21:14.23 | Vasistha | general motors corp?? |
| 21:14.24 | rue_mohr | is that now gnome-commander ? |
| 21:14.46 | rue_mohr | I need to have something that puts 1 icon on the desktop, nothing else |
| 21:14.58 | rue_mohr | and I need that icon to start a program |
| 21:15.20 | rue_mohr | and I need people not to close that program so they never have to ask how to click the icon |
| 21:15.38 | rue_mohr | cause I need a break from people asking silly questions |
| 21:16.02 | ShredZ | Vasistha, doesn't support reiser sadly |
| 21:16.04 | samuel | rue_mohr, then just launch the program in an x window, no window manager? |
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| 21:16.27 | Vasistha | rue_mohr: in kde you can alt-f2 to get a "run command" prompt. Might it be easier to do something similar and have people type a command, rather than looking for a hidden icon? |
| 21:16.29 | rue_mohr | they can close the program internally |
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| 21:17.03 | rue_mohr | right, I have it auto starting as its the only entry in .xinitrc |
| 21:17.14 | Vasistha | ShredZ: oh, you know, I should have read your original question more thoroughly... just run cfdisk ;-) |
| 21:17.21 | rue_mohr | but if it closes, I need something other than a command prompt for them to restart it |
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| 21:17.38 | Vasistha | rue_mohr: a daemon to monitor the program running, and if it closes, restart it? |
| 21:17.56 | rue_mohr | right now, it it closes , do does X |
| 21:18.16 | Vasistha | "if" it closes, "So" does X, I assume is what you meant |
| 21:18.20 | rue_mohr | what is being currently used to put icons on teh desktop? |
| 21:18.21 | ShredZ | Vasistha, and then what ? I read the cfdisk manpage but there's nothing on resizing either |
| 21:18.36 | rue_mohr | yes :) |
| 21:18.57 | Vasistha | ShredZ: oh, err, hrm. You know, you should probably google for reiser resize, I bet people have written step-by-steps on this issue |
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| 21:19.37 | rue_mohr | if there is something like gmc that I can make the X shell program, that I can have it supply an icon, and X wont quit if the program is closed |
| 21:19.43 | rue_mohr | but gmc dosnt' exist anymore |
| 21:19.48 | rue_mohr | and I dont know what replaced it |
| 21:19.57 | rue_mohr | I was hoping someone here might know |
| 21:20.14 | Xgates | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.20 | Xgates | DVD |
| 21:20.30 | falkon | Eclipser: is there any way to install the x driver without installing nvidia glx? |
| 21:20.35 | falkon | I have the nvidia module installed and lsmod shows it loaded, but when I do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' nvidia is not a driver choice and if I put it in xorg.conf, I get an error. Anyone know why this might be? |
| 21:21.46 | sneex | About: http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_source_Sources RESOLVED: Error was a bad deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free line \= |
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| 21:22.15 | beardy | Xgates: Most likely yes. |
| 21:22.28 | Timtow | Can anybody help me with a path-filter on glftpd? |
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| 21:22.55 | thingfish | Xgates: almost certainly. |
| 21:23.01 | beardy | Xgates: Do you have it already? |
| 21:23.38 | rue_mohr | falkon I recommend booting knoppix and copying the config file it makes to your system |
| 21:23.43 | rue_mohr | tune from there |
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| 21:25.36 | beardy | falkon: Running unstable? |
| 21:25.49 | falkon | beardy: testing |
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| 21:26.26 | beardy | !xorg disadvantages |
| 21:26.26 | dpkg | Currently, Xorg in sid breaks nvidia-glx (see <xorg-nvidia>), and it collides with the C++ ABI upgrade. |
| 21:26.33 | beardy | !xorg-nvidia |
| 21:26.33 | dpkg | somebody said xorg-nvidia was http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/16446.html |
| 21:26.41 | beardy | Perhaps it can help you. |
| 21:26.55 | falkon | I'll see |
| 21:28.02 | falkon | no luck |
| 21:28.14 | falkon | I'm running testing, the driver is installed |
| 21:28.22 | falkon | it's just not detected I guess |
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| 21:31.37 | rockstar_ | ndiswrapper is the most difficult thing to figure out with debian unstable... Crap this sucks. |
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| 21:34.21 | ktwilight | i'm getting a permission denied error when i do apt-get upgrade http://rafb.net/paste/results/3jNnb773.html |
| 21:34.32 | ktwilight | it's perl's issue it seems. any clues? |
| 21:34.34 | ktwilight | using etch here. |
| 21:35.03 | raf256 | when will debian testing support GLX |
| 21:35.22 | sid | What is GLX? |
| 21:35.28 | raf256 | openGL and so on |
| 21:35.31 | ktwilight | nvidia glx |
| 21:35.35 | raf256 | yes |
| 21:35.36 | sid | opengl? |
| 21:35.48 | raf256 | well, 3d / accelerated graphics |
| 21:35.53 | sid | raf256: Debian does "support" GLX/OpenGL |
| 21:35.59 | raf256 | sid: it is broken |
| 21:36.06 | raf256 | since a week |
| 21:36.13 | ktwilight | it does support, but not off the debian's way |
| 21:36.19 | sid | raf256: Are you using "TESTING" or "UNSTABLE"? |
| 21:36.31 | raf256 | [23:35] <raf256> when will debian *testing* support GLX |
| 21:36.46 | sid | raf256: Do you know what *testing* means? |
| 21:36.52 | sid | !tell raf256 about testing |
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| 21:37.17 | wols | raf256: you mean "out of the box"? |
| 21:37.21 | raf256 | sid: I know whats testing, I wondered when it will again support glx |
| 21:37.25 | raf256 | wols: no, it doesnt work at all |
| 21:37.25 | wols | like some commercial distros do? |
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| 21:38.36 | raf256 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362868 |
| 21:39.05 | raf256 | I want my feaking glx, and it can't load GLcore for over a week :( |
| 21:39.48 | luke-jr_ | libqt4-sql seems to be missing a dependency for SQLite 3 |
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| 21:40.32 | raf256 | luke-jr_: file a bugreport on it's ass |
| 21:41.06 | Xgates | thingfish & beardy ok, beardy no I don't have the DVD iso yet I'm getting it now, why? |
| 21:41.17 | stew | !depends libqt4-sql |
| 21:41.22 | dpkg | libqt4-sql: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.19-1), libpq4 (>= 8.1.4), libqt4-core (>= 4.1.3), libsqlite0 (>= 2.8.16), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0) |
| 21:41.24 | Xgates | beardy: I know about the mini iso if that is what your going to say |
| 21:41.28 | beardy | Xgates: If you have bandwidth to download that, use the netinstaller instead. |
| 21:41.33 | beardy | Xgates: Yes. |
| 21:41.41 | stew | luke-jr_: it seems to depend on libsqlite already |
| 21:41.52 | stew | luke-jr_: are you saying that it needs to depend specifically on a newer version? |
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| 21:42.11 | beardy | Xgates: Ok, if you know about it, do as you please. |
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| 21:43.11 | Xgates | beardy: so I take it this yes ---> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:44.16 | beardy | Xgates: Seems to be the right one yep. |
| 21:44.27 | beardy | Xgates: ~110MB |
| 21:44.53 | Xgates | ok I was pretty sure that's it ;p |
| 21:45.10 | samuel | anyone here know of those silly errors that keep coming up with windows update on qemu? |
| 21:45.19 | samuel | or is that just windows update? |
| 21:45.28 | beardy | samuel: WHat made you ask here? |
| 21:45.47 | luke-jr_ | stew: it depends on sqlite 2 |
| 21:46.01 | luke-jr_ | stew: sqlite 2 and 3 are seperate packages/databases |
| 21:46.15 | samuel | beardy, just wanna know if its a qemu issue or windows issue |
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| 21:49.28 | raf256 | why are debian devels fucking around instead fixing the screwed up GLX nvidia in testing? |
| 21:49.39 | raf256 | is that bug even still open? is anyone fixing it? |
| 21:49.42 | raf256 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362868 |
| 21:49.58 | raf256 | I would be happy to provide testing.. |
| 21:51.04 | ktwilight | ... |
| 21:51.12 | ktwilight | that's just rude... |
| 21:51.28 | stoned | thingfish, yeah sorry man, my brother called long distance and I was talking to him |
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| 21:52.04 | beardy | raf256: If you can whine, you can help. |
| 21:52.06 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there a binary Quake 1 package available somewhere ? |
| 21:52.18 | raf256 | beardy: I did. I straced the startx, I debugged |
| 21:52.23 | raf256 | but Its too complicated for me |
| 21:52.29 | icebit | Italia - champion! |
| 21:52.29 | raf256 | is anyone on that bug? |
| 21:52.39 | stoned | thingfish, yeah man, my left hand constantly aches, my joints hurts in fingers and wrist, there is lot of discoloration under my wrist under the flesh of the thumb, it itches on its own, and I can hardly move it around. If I lift even a glass full of water it hurts kinda. I need surgury, they said they need to take some of the tendons off my joints in wrist to relieve pressure on the nerve in the Carpel Tunnel |
| 21:52.51 | beardy | Jemt: Most likely. But the datafiles are not free though. But there are free games using the quake engine, that are totally free. |
| 21:52.53 | stoned | thingfish, problem is, I have no medical insurance :( |
| 21:53.58 | icebit | Italy - champion % |
| 21:54.19 | streuner | bullshit, france! :-) |
| 21:54.31 | Jemt | beardy: Oh, ok |
| 21:54.35 | beardy | raf256: Not that many DD's here. Have you sent what you tried, and a polite question to the bts? |
| 21:54.41 | Jemt | beardy: Any suggestions ? |
| 21:54.44 | bronze | GERMA.. nevermind |
| 21:54.53 | raf256 | beardy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362868 the last post is mine |
| 21:55.36 | sid | raf256: Why don't you get a refund for all the money you spent. How shocking this is you found a bug in this software that is clearly labeled "stable" and isn't beta at all. You should be outraged? I recommend you go into #debian and whine and bitch about it all day. |
| 21:55.54 | raf256 | sid: heh |
| 21:56.07 | raf256 | sid: I just asked is anywone aware how serious that bug is |
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| 21:56.11 | raf256 | or is there a work around? |
| 21:56.37 | raf256 | ..or all the tens of thousands of testing debian + nvidia users outthere can't use OpenGL / 3d apps at all |
| 21:56.50 | sid | raf256: not very serious since Debian is about free software. And nvidia and ati release binary kernel module that are not free software. And they belong in non-free. |
| 21:56.55 | beardy | raf256: Ok. Good. |
| 21:57.40 | beardy | raf256: If you still want to be angry, you could mail ATI and Nvidia? |
| 21:57.48 | raf256 | sid: make me a gfx card as good as GFX (can be up to 40% more expensive) with open driver and I wil buy |
| 21:57.56 | raf256 | beardy: I will |
| 21:58.04 | raf256 | but this is rather clearly debian fault |
| 21:58.16 | raf256 | I assume the Xorg is wrongly packed so it can't load a module |
| 21:58.27 | Jemt | Any suggestion on Quake 1 based games for Linux ? |
| 21:58.29 | raf256 | identical nvidia binary driver worked fine with xorg 6.9 |
| 21:58.35 | raf256 | Jemt: Quake 1 |
| 21:58.48 | Jemt | raf256: The data files are not free - to my knowledge |
| 21:58.58 | raf256 | Jemt: hmm yes |
| 21:58.59 | sid | raf256: yes you've displayed you have extensive knowledge on the subject matter. Clearly we all know who is at fault here, and who knows what they are talking about. |
| 21:59.06 | raf256 | Jemt: but doesnt Q1 cost like 5 bucks now? |
| 21:59.07 | stoned | raf256, every single time you come here you have some negative shit to say about debian. Why don't you just use some other linux distro. Either use something else or quit bitching |
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| 21:59.09 | Jemt | raf256: Also, I prefer binary files |
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| 21:59.26 | beardy | Jemt: Have you tried 'apt-cache search quake'? |
| 21:59.28 | raf256 | I asked how to work around the bug |
| 21:59.30 | stoned | raf256, for weeks you've been doing that. First time you came in here cussing out the debian developers |
| 21:59.33 | raf256 | how is that negative |
| 21:59.45 | stoned | ignored by me, have fun |
| 21:59.47 | Jemt | beardy: Yep, no games |
| 21:59.57 | raf256 | ignored because I started to working around bugs? wow |
| 22:00.05 | ktwilight | some people just don't get it... |
| 22:00.09 | stoned | no ignored because your a disrespectful person |
| 22:00.14 | raf256 | some stoned people |
| 22:00.20 | raf256 | so, how to use my nvidia 3d on testing debian? |
| 22:00.20 | beardy | raf256: No, because you whine and complain, it's not constructive. |
| 22:00.29 | raf256 | constructive: so, how to use my nvidia 3d on testing debian? |
| 22:00.33 | sid | raf256: You are very disrespectful you need to learn manners. |
| 22:00.35 | beardy | raf256: Run stable. |
| 22:00.46 | raf256 | beardy: I want to help with testing |
| 22:00.47 | luke-jr_ | raf256: There are no legal 3D drivers for nVidia cards |
| 22:00.50 | Jemt | raf256: What's the problem ? |
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| 22:00.59 | raf256 | luke-jr_: the nvidia.com driver is illegal? |
| 22:01.03 | luke-jr_ | raf256: yes |
| 22:01.07 | raf256 | Jemt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362868 |
| 22:01.09 | beardy | luke-jr_: ? |
| 22:01.13 | raf256 | luke-jr_: wtf? |
| 22:01.21 | luke-jr_ | raf256: it violates Linux's GPL license |
| 22:01.25 | stoned | raf256, if there are many people telling you something, it probably means you're wrong and you should admit to it like a man. You would find much more help in here if you ask nicely and also stay nice while getting help from VOLUNTEERS who do not get paid to sit here and help you and still get insulted |
| 22:01.28 | stoned | Shame on you |
| 22:01.29 | Xgates | how is a Nvidia driver illegal? |
| 22:01.38 | sid | raf256: You aren't helping. You are being counter-productive by insulting people, and you clearly don't know what you're even talking about. if you want to help write some letters to Nvidia and ATI, and then switch to Stable |
| 22:01.39 | raf256 | stoned: I aksed 5 times how to FIX the bug |
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| 22:01.54 | luke-jr_ | the "open" source wrapper in the nVidia driver is a derivative work of Linux |
| 22:01.56 | daryl- | Woah, small channel ;P |
| 22:01.58 | luke-jr_ | and thus falls under the GPL |
| 22:01.59 | raf256 | what in the fuck, I asked 6 time how to FIX, isnt that constructive? |
| 22:02.12 | petemc | not by my definition |
| 22:02.13 | raf256 | luke-jr_: erm... so? |
| 22:02.16 | luke-jr_ | the binary blob is also not GPL-compatible |
| 22:02.22 | raf256 | luke-jr_: and? |
| 22:02.27 | beardy | luke-jr_: The GPL is not "Linux's". Nvidia doesn't use it, so how can they violate it. Please read up before you speak of this again. |
| 22:02.33 | luke-jr_ | it is distributed linking to the source wrapper |
| 22:02.37 | daryl- | I am installing Debian, and it's asking me to choose what software I want to install - Desktop, Web Server, etc |
| 22:02.46 | luke-jr_ | beardy: Linux is licensed under the GPL 2 |
| 22:02.48 | daryl- | Does anyone have a site explaining what's included in each? |
| 22:02.56 | stoned | daryl-, well, pick nothing right now |
| 22:02.58 | raf256 | so, how can I work around the bug which I described in last post of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362868 |
| 22:03.11 | stoned | daryl-, you can install and customize the system how you like after it is done installing |
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| 22:03.26 | concept10 | raf256, you can fix that with a symbolic link |
| 22:03.27 | stoned | daryl-, I am also not sure which depends each option pulls or what it installs, but it is pretty self explanatory |
| 22:03.31 | beardy | luke-jr_: Yes. WHat has that to do with anything, hundreds of thousands programs and projects use the GPL, it does not make it their license. Hint: fsf.org |
| 22:03.31 | Xgates | I mean illegal in I thought by what you all where saying there was something illegal in the business sense someone took, stole something etc.... |
| 22:03.39 | raf256 | concept10: I tried symlinking, didnt worked |
| 22:03.44 | petemc | raf256: grab the source of the package, fix whatever is the problem, better hope its not the binary nvidia driver tho.. |
| 22:03.51 | raf256 | concept10: with symlinking I get it to work at all, but still without GLX |
| 22:04.06 | daryl- | stoned: that's what I normally do |
| 22:04.11 | raf256 | petemc: I'm not advanced enought to do so probably |
| 22:04.22 | raf256 | what symlinks? |
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| 22:04.29 | daryl- | I want to install just what I want, but there's one called "Standard System" which is intreguing me. |
| 22:04.32 | petemc | raf256: well, being abrasive in here isnt constructive |
| 22:04.41 | luke-jr_ | beardy: "'s" means more than just possession |
| 22:04.41 | daryl- | intriguing |
| 22:04.56 | stoned | petemc, I think you are wasting your time, but maybe not ... |
| 22:05.09 | concept10 | raf256, are you trying to get dri working? |
| 22:05.15 | petemc | stoned: undoubtedly so, if i had something better to do, id be doing it |
| 22:05.19 | stoned | lol |
| 22:05.19 | raf256 | concept10: the GLX (3d stuff |
| 22:05.21 | stoned | me too man, me too |
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| 22:05.33 | luke-jr_ | beardy: Linux's license is the GPL; "Linux's GPL license" is using GPL as specifying the license; even if there is a grammer fallacy, it just makes you a grammer nazi |
| 22:05.38 | beardy | luke-jr_: Yes, but Linux is just the kernel, say not DFSG-compatible instead, since that is the issue. But it is not illegal, it's just not Free. |
| 22:05.54 | beardy | luke-jr_: Don't call me that, please. |
| 22:06.11 | luke-jr_ | beardy: it is illegal-- nVidia's source wrapper is a derivative work of Linux, and cannot link with the binary blob |
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| 22:06.56 | luke-jr_ | if Linux's internal API were a documented standard under a more liberal license, it would be legal-- but Linux internals are Linux-specific |
| 22:07.09 | stoned | I agree with beardy |
| 22:07.09 | petemc | is grammar nazi godwin alter-able? |
| 22:07.12 | petemc | alert |
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| 22:07.59 | stoned | how is national socialism related to grammar? I am failing to make the connection? |
| 22:08.07 | sid | I agree with luke-jr_ |
| 22:08.20 | stoned | lol |
| 22:08.20 | luke-jr_ | stoned: is obeying a software license socialism? |
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| 22:08.29 | beardy | luke-jr_: Yes, you are probably right. I probably just misunderstood you, but you don't have to call people nazis, it's not very nice. |
| 22:08.32 | stoned | luke-jr_, you completely misunderstood me, nevermind |
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| 22:08.39 | luke-jr_ | stoned: grammer comes in when beardy doesn't like my way of referring the GPL license as applied to Linux |
| 22:08.51 | stoned | I don't agree with the term, illegal |
| 22:08.52 | stoned | thats all |
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| 22:09.09 | luke-jr_ | stoned: nVidia violates the copyrights on Linux |
| 22:09.12 | luke-jr_ | that's illegal |
| 22:09.27 | stoned | I smoke weed |
| 22:09.31 | stoned | that too is illegal |
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| 22:09.38 | ru | hi guys |
| 22:09.38 | sid | The whole kernel module area of the license is pretty hazy; and Linus is apolitical and doesn't really care to enforce it. Not to mention legal fees of years of court with ATI Inc. or Nvidia Inc.; So we get stuck with binary blobs :( |
| 22:09.47 | ru | my left channel emits a crackle/distortion |
| 22:09.51 | concept10 | raf256, i have that same error going on right now, the symlink didnt work today, but it has worked for me before |
| 22:10.03 | concept10 | I hate the state of graphics in linux |
| 22:10.05 | sid | ru: Sounds like a hardware problem. Not a software(debian) problem. |
| 22:10.08 | beardy | He is correct, probably, I haven't read that sourcewrapper, so I can't say for ceirtain, but it seems correct. |
| 22:10.09 | ru | any ideas what to check? My alsa conf file? |
| 22:10.22 | stoned | ru, sure the speaker isn't busted? |
| 22:10.22 | ru | sid: if i plug in my headphones it still happens |
| 22:10.30 | stoned | ahmm |
| 22:10.35 | sid | ru: Sounds like a hardware problem. |
| 22:10.52 | ru | sid: any recommendations? |
| 22:11.00 | sid | ru: Put in a new soundcard? |
| 22:11.01 | raf256 | concept10: exacly |
| 22:11.05 | sid | ru: laptop or desktop? |
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| 22:11.08 | raf256 | concept10: please send a NEW bug report |
| 22:11.15 | ru | sid: laptop - macbook pro |
| 22:11.21 | raf256 | concept10: I think perhaps the one to which I wrote is already makred done. |
| 22:11.28 | luke-jr_ | sid: lack of enforcement on copyright doesn't make it legal |
| 22:11.42 | concept10 | raf256, the best trouble shooting information is here: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting |
| 22:11.50 | sid | luke-jr_: Sure it does. |
| 22:11.53 | raf256 | but that is DRI, not GLX? |
| 22:12.02 | concept10 | raf256, but I dont know if it applies to your card or situation |
| 22:12.07 | sid | luke-jr_: If a tree falls in the forest, and we aren't there...Did the tree make a sound? |
| 22:12.10 | luke-jr_ | sid: nope, enforcement is only required for trademarks |
| 22:12.10 | sid | !confuse luke-jr_ |
| 22:12.11 | dpkg | No, how are my hamster yesterday, luke-jr_? lederhosen of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
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| 22:14.13 | sid | luke-jr_: innocent until proven guilty. It's only illegal if they are knowingly violating the license(which they probably aren't since this issue is particularly hazy). After a court case a precedent could be set, then it would become illegal if the decision is in the favor of free software. |
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| 22:14.26 | sid | to my knowledge that's how it works at least. |
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| 22:15.10 | sid | luke-jr_: although if you want to continue to talk about why ATI Inc. and Nvidia Inc. suck so much...we should probably do it in #debian-offtopic so we don't clutter the channel for people who have questions. |
| 22:15.24 | Debian | If I want to install just support for running x clients on a (remote) x server, what essential package(s) do I need? |
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| 22:16.01 | sid | Debian: x-window-system-core ?(I'm not sure) |
| 22:16.05 | concept10 | Is there a way to access the log of install/remove actions of APT? |
| 22:16.13 | sid | !tell concept10 about logs |
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| 22:16.57 | ru | Anyone have any idea's? |
| 22:16.58 | concept10 | useless |
| 22:17.18 | ru | sid: I dont think its hardware cos it doesnt do this if I boot into windows and play something |
| 22:17.30 | ru | its gotta be drivers? but where would i check exactly? |
| 22:17.41 | sid | concept10: What is useless? |
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| 22:17.52 | beardy | concept10: If it is logged, it's in /var/log, but I think it's only dpkg that logs, check for yourself. |
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| 22:18.29 | Debian | sid: thanks |
| 22:19.15 | Debian | sid: looks like that package includes a server ... I'll keep looking |
| 22:19.25 | raf256 | Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 22:19.25 | raf256 | make sure you have Load "glx" in your xorg.conf's modules section. If you do have Load "glx", make sure you don't have any parts of the nvidia binary driver installed, particularly libglx.so*. Remove those, and reinstall X.Org if you continue to have problems. |
| 22:19.27 | raf256 | wtf? |
| 22:19.44 | raf256 | but I need nvidia.com's binary driver to have full accelleration, don't I? |
| 22:19.57 | lunitik | raf256: no |
| 22:20.12 | raf256 | lunitik: so I should remove the nvidia.com driver O_O ? |
| 22:20.34 | raf256 | but without it I didn't had any accelleration at least in Xorg 6.9.. did that changed in 7.0, now nvidia driver is.. built in? |
| 22:20.37 | LinuxMafia | i have sound but i have no sound for games , any idea? |
| 22:20.43 | raf256 | but nvidia didnt released sources of the driver |
| 22:21.07 | raf256 | LinuxMafia: OSS / Alsa. try: play foo.wav aplay foo.wav - which worked? both should. |
| 22:21.37 | Guerin | raf256: nvidia is shit, film at 11 |
| 22:21.47 | raf256 | film at 11? |
| 22:21.55 | lunitik | !tell raf256 about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 22:21.57 | raf256 | Guerin: so, the "nv" build in driver is good enought? |
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| 22:22.26 | Guerin | raf256: if you want to play games, buy a console |
| 22:22.39 | raf256 | "However, both of these drivers do not support 3D acceleration. Only the non-free nvidia driver supports this. " |
| 22:22.48 | rhalff | raf256, I believe you can just do apt-get install nvidia-glx, and modify your config, or did you allready try that ? |
| 22:23.04 | raf256 | Guerin: no, I want to play games on a PC. also I need 3d modeling applications. Windows is capable of doing it. Debian was doing fine in xorg 6.9 |
| 22:23.13 | raf256 | rhalff: no such package on testing |
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| 22:23.30 | lunitik | raf256: where its telling you 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common' etc... this is nvidia's proprietary driver |
| 22:23.37 | sid | raf256: Why don't you just downgrade to xorg 6.9? |
| 22:23.46 | rhalff | raf256, ah then it's only in unstable probably |
| 22:23.49 | lunitik | raf256: you're just installing it the debian way |
| 22:23.58 | raf256 | sid: xorg 6.9 messed up my VT text mode |
| 22:24.18 | sid | raf256: Why don't you apt-get install apt-listbugs; and learn about the bts; so next time you are able to avoid a potentially dangerous dist-upgrade that can break your system |
| 22:24.20 | raf256 | how can I install nvidia-glx from unstable into testing? |
| 22:24.21 | rhalff | raf256, try ubunutu, it's debian also :p |
| 22:24.26 | rhalff | ubuntu |
| 22:24.28 | lunitik | !tell rhalff about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 22:24.37 | raf256 | sid: I was the one to report that bug about GLcore |
| 22:24.41 | lunitik | rhalff: thats the debian way to install that... not nvidia-glx |
| 22:24.48 | LinuxMafia | raf256, aplay works but game has no sound |
| 22:24.58 | raf256 | and nvidia-glx is what way? |
| 22:24.59 | LinuxMafia | raf256, Kbounce |
| 22:25.02 | raf256 | LinuxMafia: both aplay and plan work? |
| 22:25.13 | lunitik | raf256: the old way |
| 22:25.28 | LinuxMafia | raf256, what is plan? |
| 22:25.28 | raf256 | LinuxMafia: I need full 3d driver, not sucky, 90's, S-3 trio like, driver. |
| 22:25.33 | raf256 | aplay and play |
| 22:25.34 | rhalff | lunitik, ok didn't know that, I only use debian on a server. |
| 22:25.39 | raf256 | sorry I meesed up |
| 22:25.42 | raf256 | LinuxMafia: aplay and play |
| 22:25.51 | raf256 | Guerin: I need full 3d driver, not sucky, 90's, S-3 trio like, driver. |
| 22:25.54 | icebit | bb all |
| 22:26.07 | LinuxMafia | raf256, i have no play command |
| 22:26.07 | lunitik | raf256: follow what the wiki says about nvidia-kernel-common ... |
| 22:26.27 | Guerin | raf256: then free software is probably not for you, because there are no good 3d drivers in free software |
| 22:26.35 | lunitik | !info nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:26.38 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 22:26.56 | raf256 | Guerin: therefore I want to use non-free software, on top of debian |
| 22:27.03 | lunitik | raf256: note "NVIDIA binary..." |
| 22:27.05 | LinuxMafia | lunitik, i have nvidia too , i did not need to install any thing |
| 22:27.25 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: because you apparently don't want 3D acceloration |
| 22:27.29 | raf256 | how to install nvidia-glx from unstable into my testing? |
| 22:33.47 | lunitik | raf256: ffs... what are you not understanding? |
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| 22:33.48 | phobik | ive got a wierd prob, I am trying to get a two phys nic system with tg3 and e100 to come up at boot but only eth0 will come up, not eth1 no matter what I do. Both modules load, but ifup eth1 cannot find the interface, both NIC's work but only eth0 will come up for either interface |
| 22:33.48 | lunitik | raf256: nvidia-kernel-common is what you want! |
| 22:33.48 | raf256 | lunitik: how to install pack X from unstable while having all system in testing |
| 22:33.48 | raf256 | there was some apt-get -t ... |
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| 22:33.50 | raf256 | lunitik: that uses the binary, non-free, real 3d driver? |
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| 22:33.50 | lunitik | raf256: YES!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:33.50 | raf256 | awesome |
| 22:33.50 | Guerin | raf256: my point is that if it works, bear in mind that this is a temporary condition, and don't fuck with shit unless you want it to break. You've been hanging around here long enough that you should know this. |
| 22:33.51 | raf256 | Guerin: I want shit to brake, then to get it fixed. doanting bug reports by the way. |
| 22:33.51 | Guerin | !nvidiasmite raf256 |
| 22:33.51 | raf256 | it does a bit |
| 22:33.51 | infernix | time = money, so in a way it is |
| 22:33.51 | Guerin | raf256: bully for you. But i'd have thought a prerequisite to purposefully breaking shit was that you had the faintest idea how to fix it on your own without wasting peoples' time in here. |
| 22:33.51 | raf256 | each time you donate to BTS, got spawns a horny 15 yo |
| 22:33.51 | raf256 | each time you install windows vista, god kills a kitten ; each time you donate to BTS, god spawns a horny 15 yo |
| 22:33.51 | raf256 | Guerin: I fixed quite few things myself |
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| 22:33.52 | raf256 | Guerin: I fixed the 7.0+nvidia so it will start up at all (adding the symlinks) ALL by myself, from reading strace startx log, I consider it quite neat |
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| 22:33.52 | LinuxMafia | so what should i do |
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| 22:33.52 | raf256 | LinuxMafia: do BOTH aplay and play work? play is in... uhm |
| 22:33.52 | raf256 | !info play |
| 22:33.53 | LinuxMafia | raf256, i can play songs with gxine |
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| 22:33.53 | LinuxMafia | raf256, i hear the sound's and aplay also working |
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| 22:34.14 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: imo, symlink /usr/bin/aplay to /usr/bin/play if you really have to have 'play' :/ |
| 22:34.26 | raf256 | lunitik: no |
| 22:34.26 | raf256 | damn it |
| 22:34.37 | raf256 | I wanted im to test do both OSS and ALSA work |
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| 22:34.48 | lunitik | raf256: why? OSS is obsoleted |
| 22:34.57 | raf256 | coz meany games use it |
| 22:35.02 | raf256 | and sucky programs, like skype |
| 22:35.19 | lunitik | raf256: *sucky* |
| 22:35.20 | Eulex | alsa emulates oss well |
| 22:35.20 | Guerin | omgs everyone jsut arrivde! |
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| 22:35.26 | raf256 | lets party \o/ |
| 22:35.26 | LinuxMafia | raf256, how can i install oss |
| 22:35.28 | LinuxMafia | ? |
| 22:35.36 | raf256 | LinuxMafia: ask Eulex, apparently |
| 22:35.39 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: you don't want to |
| 22:35.39 | LinuxMafia | Eulex, how can i do that |
| 22:35.45 | Eulex | if alsa works, you don't need to care about oss... |
| 22:35.45 | Guerin | bah, stupid laggotronics |
| 22:35.47 | raf256 | lunitik: he have old games |
| 22:35.57 | raf256 | laggotronics =) |
| 22:36.05 | Guerin | if you have alsa, oss emulation is all you need |
| 22:36.14 | LinuxMafia | Eulex, alsa works but i don't hear Kbounce game sounds for example |
| 22:36.15 | Eulex | LinuxMafia, oss (the free version) is included in the kernel |
| 22:36.19 | lunitik | raf256: if its a game, and doesn't support alsa ... its probably crap |
| 22:36.30 | Eulex | LinuxMafia, my guess is that Kbounce uses esd. |
| 22:36.43 | LinuxMafia | Guerin, so what i have to do |
| 22:37.06 | LinuxMafia | set snd_driver alsa? |
| 22:37.13 | LinuxMafia | set oss_driver alsa? |
| 22:37.22 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: arts is set up to use alsa? |
| 22:37.38 | LinuxMafia | no auto |
| 22:37.43 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: hmm |
| 22:37.55 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: bet you can tell what I'm going to say next |
| 22:38.04 | Eulex | ah, sorry, kde uses artsd |
| 22:38.07 | LinuxMafia | lunitik, when i login to kde i hear the login sound |
| 22:38.46 | LinuxMafia | lunitik, no :-( |
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| 22:38.51 | lunitik | wait... I don't think KBounce even has sounds :/ |
| 22:39.23 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: better example maybe? |
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| 22:40.18 | LinuxMafia | lunitik, it has |
| 22:40.21 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: I was going to say "Change it to ALSA manually"... but if System Notifications are working, aRts is fine |
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| 22:40.41 | LinuxMafia | lunitik, potato guy has sound |
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| 22:41.20 | beardy | Jamster: Still there? |
| 22:41.22 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: I dont' have that installed |
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| 22:41.55 | Jamster | beardy: mh? |
| 22:42.04 | beardy | Jamster: Have a look here, and google too, "quake linux" should do. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quake-HOWTO-3.html |
| 22:42.40 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: most KDE games don't actually have sounds though... try something like frozen-bubble or wesnoth etc |
| 22:42.51 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: if they did, they'd certainly use ALSA either way |
| 22:42.56 | LinuxMafia | lunitik, Nibbles can use sound too but i dont hear the sounds |
| 22:43.14 | LinuxMafia | ik |
| 22:43.17 | beardy | Jamster: http://www.quakeforge.net/ |
| 22:43.32 | beardy | Jamster: (you were the one asking about that? :) ) |
| 22:43.42 | spldart | I'm having zero luck at this so... I just finished a fresh netinst of testing cuz I'm looking for better support of newer wireless cards.. Anywho.. I've finished the base install and after reboot it wont take my user/password or root/password... I cannot log in at all ? Is this practically fix-able? |
| 22:44.29 | hesco | I'm getting an unable to open modem error from kppp, when attempting to query the modem, although pcmcia-cs's cardctl ident properly identifies a modem at that port and its permissions are 660 and we get a "Opener: received RemoveLock" error at the console which then freezes. Any ideas wher to find this lock file? |
| 22:44.31 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: KDE games would use aRts/ALSA ... |
| 22:44.38 | luke-jr_ | LinuxMafia: wtf? Nibble is QBASIC/DOS |
| 22:44.52 | abrotman | there is a nibbles clone for every OS |
| 22:44.59 | luke-jr_ | clones, yes... |
| 22:44.59 | LinuxMafia | luke-jr_, but in setting it has use sounds |
| 22:45.00 | Eulex | Nibbles has pc speaker sounds :) |
| 22:45.00 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: try a game not based on KDE (like I said, frozen-bubble, wesnoth etc...) |
| 22:45.10 | lunitik | LinuxMafia: these have sounds for sure... |
| 22:45.15 | Eulex | iirc, at least, was a long time since I played it |
| 22:45.34 | lunitik | abrotman: Nibbles is KSnakeRace? |
| 22:45.50 | LinuxMafia | lunitik, YEAH frozen-bubble has sound |
| 22:45.52 | abrotman | if it starts with a K .. it's krap |
| 22:46.01 | lunitik | abrotman: now now |
| 22:46.22 | abrotman | i have my opinion .. kde users have their stupidity .. it's even afaict |
| 22:46.25 | lunitik | abrotman: I'd ask what you use, but that'd start a flame |
| 22:46.40 | abrotman | obviously not kde :) |
| 22:47.00 | lunitik | abrotman: obviously... and as long as its not GNOME, I can move on :P |
| 22:47.03 | roym | folks: can anyone recommend a decent book on debian administration (for someone who knows linux quite well). |
| 22:47.16 | abrotman | !tell roym about grounding |
| 22:47.33 | lunitik | !tell me about grounding |
| 22:47.36 | abrotman | roym: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/books |
| 22:47.46 | beardy | !selftell |
| 22:47.46 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 22:47.47 | lunitik | damnit |
| 22:48.24 | beardy | roym: Read "grounding" /msg dpkg reference |
| 22:48.24 | lunitik | Saves channel a whole line *g* |
| 22:48.32 | beardy | lunitik: It's annoying. |
| 22:48.34 | abrotman | and saves everyone thinking you're an idiot :) |
| 22:48.36 | lunitik | I've never been able to get used to messaging the bots via /msg |
| 22:48.40 | beardy | lunitik: Unnecessary. |
| 22:48.45 | roym | !grounding |
| 22:48.46 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 22:49.13 | beardy | roym: You were told, check your other windows. |
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| 22:50.20 | lunitik | beardy: its generally considered rude to /msg people... so I'm always hesitant even using the feature, even if its not a person... |
| 22:50.30 | roym | beardy: not sure that I know where to look - I am on emacs erc and don't see any other output. how can I look for info on grounding myself? |
| 22:51.11 | beardy | lunitik: You can be sure dpkg is not offended if you /msg him. |
| 22:51.19 | hesco | where would kppp stash a lock file perchance? |
| 22:51.33 | lunitik | hesco: dpkg -L kppp? |
| 22:51.48 | lunitik | hesco: you almost certainly ought to just use root for whatever you're doing |
| 22:51.56 | beardy | roym: Ok, I haven't tried erc, but I'd guess it comes in another buffer, check the bufferlist. |
| 22:52.03 | abrotman | the lock file will not be listed in the package contents |
| 22:52.05 | lunitik | lock files usually mean priv issues |
| 22:52.06 | hesco | lunitik: thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 22:52.14 | abrotman | lunitik: actually .. he SHOULD NOT do that. |
| 22:52.26 | abrotman | finally |
| 22:52.34 | lunitik | abrotman: care to enlighten him? (and me...) |
| 22:52.36 | hesco | lunitik: already using sudo for all kppp calls |
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| 22:53.18 | lunitik | abrotman: you don't think I'm really going to shut up right? just on that subject :P |
| 22:53.55 | abrotman | i don't care what you do .. i can just tell everyone you're wrong .. and they should ignore you |
| 22:54.12 | roym | folks - it took me a whole day to learn that one must not downgrade a debian install (in my case, it was stuck on an etch version of libc6). Would that kind of wisdom be in the reference docs? |
| 22:54.12 | beardy | roym: You see, dpkg has /msg'ed you, with the grounding factoid. To /msg him yourself in erc, I suppoes you just do /msg dpkg reference, in your current window in erc. But why not try irssi, it's the best. The package is called irssi-text. |
| 22:54.22 | lunitik | abrotman: as apposed to actually helping? neat |
| 22:54.34 | roym | beardy: thanks. |
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| 22:55.17 | beardy | roym: Well, downgrading is in general "not possible" with a variable loose meaning of "not" and "possible", it's better to avoid the situation where you have to do that instead. |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | lunitik: you're supposed to be in a group |
| 22:55.57 | lunitik | abrotman: not for about an hour and a half actually... |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | and that's why they should ignore you |
| 22:56.33 | lunitik | abrotman: I get to graduate today! :D |
| 22:56.54 | abrotman | from grade school? |
| 22:57.03 | beardy | roym: I guess either you are told about it, or figure it out yourself, like you did. It's probably mentioned here and there. You can look for it and see, since you want the reference anyway. Look what dpkg says now. |
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| 22:57.05 | lunitik | abrotman: from the group... follow along |
| 22:57.07 | beardy | !reference |
| 22:57.08 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 22:57.36 | beardy | abrotman: He had a problem with it. |
| 22:57.46 | lunitik | abrotman: such a possitive influence you are.... glad you stopped by |
| 22:57.53 | beardy | +abrotman |
| 22:58.25 | abrotman | heh |
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| 22:58.37 | abrotman | lunitik: you're telling him to run everything as root ... |
| 22:59.02 | lunitik | abrotman: look into "Maladaptive Thinking Patterns" especially "Specialness"... a little something I learned in said group |
| 22:59.14 | roym | beardy: thanks for the help - it is most reassuring to see how helpful this chat group is. |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | lunitik: stuff yourself in a toilet |
| 22:59.35 | beardy | roym: You're welcome, give irssi a try, if you want. |
| 22:59.37 | lunitik | abrotman: and you're not telling him _why_ I'm wrong... just that I am wrong... |
| 22:59.55 | abrotman | lunitik: if it comes out of your mouth .. it's just wrong .. no explaination needed :) |
| 23:00.03 | lunitik | abrotman: mature |
| 23:00.11 | abrotman | thanks |
| 23:00.55 | beardy | roym: The startup howto: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup |
| 23:01.01 | lunitik | abrotman: you've been coming here for what? at least 5 years... rarely do you actually help, you just say "wrong" a lot |
| 23:01.09 | abrotman | lunitik: are you insane? |
| 23:01.19 | abrotman | beardy: have you ever seen me help anyone? |
| 23:01.30 | beardy | abrotman: Never! |
| 23:01.31 | lunitik | abrotman: /msg nickserv lunitik info |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | once again .. lunitik proves he has no idea what he's talking about |
| 23:01.41 | abrotman | lunitik: i don't care .. wrong is wrong .. |
| 23:01.46 | beardy | Of course I have, abrotman is the most active and helpful person here. |
| 23:02.00 | lunitik | abrotman: umm... switch info and lunitik |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | oh wait .. he was wrong? |
| 23:02.56 | abrotman | completely useless conversation .. and person |
| 23:02.58 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 23:03.24 | sid | heheh |
| 23:03.29 | sid | !confuse lunitik |
| 23:03.30 | dpkg | Yes, what is our pineapple today, lunitik? trousers of the people's republic of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 23:03.36 | lunitik | abrotman: how about replacing "you're wrong, shut up" with "no, do this instead"... you're saying the same thing... just, in a more positive way... |
| 23:03.39 | beardy | lunitik: What about it, nothing special about your nickserv info. |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | he's special :) |
| 23:04.02 | lunitik | !fearl |
| 23:04.02 | dpkg | [fearl] an old regular from #debian who got on many peoples nerves... the end |
| 23:04.12 | abrotman | exactly |
| 23:04.18 | lunitik | I I have my own factoid! |
| 23:04.24 | beardy | I say it again, so everyone knows: abrotman _is_ a very _helpful_ and _active_ person here. |
| 23:04.24 | spldart | Don't try deb testing right now... passwords do no work... 2 installs |
| 23:04.35 | abrotman | spldart: try #debian-boot in irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:04.46 | spldart | k |
| 23:05.12 | grumbel | my metacity now longer lets newly created windows in the foreground, instead they often and up behind other windows, anybody know what could be wrong? |
| 23:05.18 | Malagmyr | "passwords do no work" ... |
| 23:05.19 | Malagmyr | exactly |
| 23:05.35 | Malagmyr | actually, my password is doing the dishes right now |
| 23:05.39 | spldart | joo unerstan mang |
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| 23:05.53 | spldart | :-p |
| 23:05.53 | infernix | malagyr: dishwasher? |
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| 23:05.57 | abrotman | grumbel: probably have to reconfigure metacity and change window placement options |
| 23:05.59 | lunitik | beardy: active yes... I suppose I tend to notice him being helpful less than most... |
| 23:06.05 | infernix | thats a dictionary word. thats bad. :) |
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| 23:06.47 | grumbel | abrotman: can't find any option that would influence that behaviour |
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| 23:07.12 | gs | hi |
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| 23:07.25 | lunitik | !hi gs |
| 23:07.33 | Malagmyr | !greet gs |
| 23:07.33 | lunitik | ~hi gs |
| 23:07.41 | apt | Many greetings, gs, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 23:07.41 | dpkg | Wassup, gs |
| 23:07.41 | lunitik | ? |
| 23:07.41 | Malagmyr | :P |
| 23:07.41 | gs | ;= |
| 23:07.44 | lunitik | !botslap |
| 23:07.44 | gs | ;) |
| 23:07.44 | dpkg | :( |
| 23:07.57 | Malagmyr | !botcookie |
| 23:08.06 | lunitik | !botsnack |
| 23:08.07 | dpkg | lunitik: thanks |
| 23:08.10 | Malagmyr | ah |
| 23:08.13 | abrotman | stop with the bot |
| 23:08.22 | lunitik | abrotman: sorry |
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| 23:10.45 | spldart | ~slap_bot |
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| 23:11.35 | fowlduck | anyone know how to disable automounting of CDs and USB devices? |
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| 23:17.25 | samuel | hello all |
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| 23:17.57 | spldart | hello |
| 23:18.14 | samuel | im upgrading my hard drive and ive saved all my installed packages, how can i create a script or something similar that will install the packages i have now installed? |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | !tell samuel about debian clone |
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| 23:20.56 | sneex | !tell sneex about debian live |
| 23:20.59 | patrickj | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:20.59 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 23:21.13 | beardy | !tell sneex -about selftell |
| 23:21.16 | samuel | abrotman, thanks! that simple? i almost cant believe it! |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | samuel: almost? |
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| 23:21.42 | hesco | Using cu -l /dev/ttyS0, root is getting a permission denied error. The device is owned by root:dialout. Any ideas what this would be about? |
| 23:21.44 | samuel | abrotman, it is debian after all... |
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| 23:22.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:22.19 | daryl- | I am currently trying to install debian but have run into problems |
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| 23:22.27 | daryl- | the partitioner is taking years |
| 23:22.55 | hesco | daryl-: could be a failing drive or a very large one. What is its history and size? |
| 23:23.31 | daryl- | it works fine |
| 23:23.33 | daryl- | 200gb |
| 23:23.43 | daryl- | it wont open the partioner |
| 23:23.47 | daryl- | syslog reads... |
| 23:23.53 | hesco | I would imagine that a 200gb drive would take a while to partition and build a file system on |
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| 23:24.13 | daryl- | kernel: ata2: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x40 |
| 23:24.21 | patrickj | WTF, the nvidia kernel source wont compile FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT |
| 23:24.25 | daryl- | hesco: it's not even opened the partioner |
| 23:24.30 | daryl- | it's taking ages to open it |
| 23:25.19 | hesco | that suggests a hardware issue, I'd check the connections on the IDE chain. Is the drive new? do you have any history with it? Has it ever worked in your experience before? |
| 23:25.34 | daryl- | it also took ages to load some via82cxxx module when it was detecting hardware |
| 23:25.39 | daryl- | I don't have any via stuff |
| 23:25.42 | beardy | patrickj: Complain to nvidia, not us, and do it right. |
| 23:25.57 | daryl- | hesco: yes, it's worked fine before |
| 23:26.00 | daryl- | it's sata |
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| 23:26.15 | daryl- | the latest etch installer should support that, surely |
| 23:26.21 | daryl- | woo |
| 23:26.24 | daryl- | and now it opens |
| 23:26.52 | beardy | hesco: root can not get a permission denied error. Are you really sure you run as root, and if you do, why? Make your user part of the dialout group instead. |
| 23:26.59 | abrotman | unless the device is already in use |
| 23:27.22 | beardy | Yes |
| 23:27.49 | devICE | hm? |
| 23:29.01 | beardy | devICE: hm! |
| 23:29.27 | abrotman | pick a crappy nick like device .. that's what will happen :) |
| 23:29.36 | hesco | beardy: I'm running cu as root to test the modem, since kppp is having troubles opening the modem. The idea is to eliminate potential issues. Both my users are a part of the dialout group. |
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| 23:30.03 | hesco | abrotman: there you go. Now why would the modem be in use already, I wonder? |
| 23:30.10 | beardy | hesco: Check for borked processes that might be using the device. |
| 23:30.17 | beardy | !wiui hesco |
| 23:30.17 | dpkg | hesco: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
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| 23:30.38 | abrotman | hesco: a number of reason .. but fuser might tell you what is using that device |
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| 23:33.23 | Estes | Hi everyone, does anyone knows about a script or a program in debian repo preferably, that checks all files in an hard drive and shows up all file that are the same ? |
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| 23:35.10 | ElRuSsO | I am trying to install a Debian sarge into Proliant 800 |
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| 23:35.24 | patrickj | beardy: does nvidia have a support line? |
| 23:35.55 | ElRuSsO | but when this start thius freeze initrd.gz using kernel 2.6 |
| 23:35.56 | beardy | patrickj: I don't know. They have email, I'd guess atleast. |
| 23:36.03 | patrickj | Im trying to build the nvidia kernel source, and it mysteriously stops |
| 23:36.04 | ElRuSsO | any cluees_ |
| 23:36.08 | patrickj | I cant seem to figure out the problem |
| 23:36.16 | patrickj | any ideas? - http://pastebin.ca/79138 , the build error |
| 23:36.21 | beardy | patrickj: Atleast tell us.. ok |
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| 23:38.30 | hesco | abortman: fuser /dev/ttyS0 returns an empty prompt. |
| 23:38.39 | Bax | someone know hide the Ip in irssi? |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | might need to read man fuser to see about device nodes |
| 23:38.50 | abrotman | Bax: ask #irssi |
| 23:38.51 | beardy | patrickj: And you have done everything according to "nvidia one-liner"? |
| 23:38.56 | beardy | Bax: /help ignore |
| 23:39.10 | Bax | ok thanks |
| 23:39.36 | hesco | abortman and beardy: and ps aux | grep ttyS returns an empty set as well |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | that doesn't mean anything |
| 23:40.05 | abrotman | try lsof |
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| 23:42.57 | hesco | abrotman: lsof | grep ttyS came back empty as well |
| 23:43.33 | beardy | hesco: Tried minicom instead? |
| 23:43.56 | patrickj | beardy: I copied and pasted it.. :P |
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| 23:44.52 | hesco | fuser -s /dev/ttyS0 also empty |
| 23:46.06 | beardy | patrickj: See also "nvidia-graphics-drivers" and "nvidia howto" |
| 23:46.11 | hesco | beardy: minicom trying now |
| 23:47.44 | beardy | If only they had a clue and made the drivers free.. |
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| 23:50.51 | roym | is there an easy way to find out which process has a port open (I can't seem to figure out from netstat and ps put together)? |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | fuser |
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| 23:51.23 | roym | excellent - thanks. |
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| 23:52.27 | name | just getting the kde trunk :) |
| 23:53.02 | Servo888 | Ok so on campus we have a wifi network where it's all open (connection-wise). Once you establish a connection you then just login - is there something like that available under a gnu licence? I don't suppose I can apt-get this type of feature... |
| 23:53.37 | patrickj | where is the rc.d? |
| 23:53.43 | bvs | Servo888, isn't it just a web based login |
| 23:53.50 | bvs | ? |
| 23:53.59 | abrotman | patrickj: the what? |
| 23:54.00 | Servo888 | bvs, yes - but it creates like a vpn connection or something. |
| 23:54.15 | Servo888 | patrickj, you mean /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 23:54.24 | patrickj | yeh :P |
| 23:54.28 | hesco | beardy: that was the ticket. I used minicom to set the port and initialize the modem, then when I returned to kppp, my user was able to access the modem and the ISP with the gui. Thanks for the help. |
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| 23:55.03 | patrickj | how do I change my desktop environment? |
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| 23:55.33 | hesco | what do you mean by desktop environment? |
| 23:55.46 | patrickj | like gnome |
| 23:55.51 | patrickj | kde, xfce, etc. |
| 23:55.56 | hesco | from gnome to kde perhaps? |
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| 23:56.11 | patrickj | word |
| 23:56.22 | hesco | If you log out, gdm will give you options under the session menu for each desktop installed on your machine. |
| 23:56.33 | nekron | how see the process that will start on boot/ |
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| 23:57.48 | hesco | nekron: boot processes are controlled from scripts in /etc/init.d, with run level specific symlinks in /etc/rc[0123456].d/ directories |
| 23:58.01 | eXCeSS | in firefox, when you click the top right circle thing, how do i make that go to the firefox homepage, not the 'about me' of my distro? |
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