| 00:00.11 | LinuxHelp | Well I for one refuse to believe that dell could make such a stupid partitioning error, but then again |
| 00:00.18 | mtomczak | System reports a four-way-partitioned 150GB drive. |
| 00:00.25 | LinuxHelp | I believe that grub doesnt need a config file 8/ |
| 00:00.39 | LinuxHelp | well I use lilo now anyway |
| 00:00.43 | mtomczak | Two logical drives mapped to C: and D:, two others unnamed. |
| 00:01.06 | LinuxHelp | mtomczak, go to control panel |
| 00:01.07 | abrotman | eh .. that's a bit odd |
| 00:01.12 | LinuxHelp | administrative tools |
| 00:01.16 | abrotman | dell sucks ... |
| 00:01.19 | LinuxHelp | computer management |
| 00:01.21 | clarissa | i get to much my 386 kernel boots fine my k7 kernel doesnt boot he cant mount the sdb cache for something |
| 00:01.24 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: ONE FUCKING LINE |
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| 00:01.36 | LinuxHelp | disk management :) and look at list |
| 00:01.45 | clarissa | abrotman: lol you're angry fast :3 |
| 00:02.06 | abrotman | clarissa: no .. he's been stupid his whole life :) |
| 00:02.06 | LinuxHelp | amazing how my text is interleaved with abrotman's |
| 00:02.08 | abrotman | clarissa: what CPU do you have? |
| 00:02.14 | clarissa | abrotman: amd64 3200+ |
| 00:02.27 | abrotman | clarissa: are you on sarge? |
| 00:02.34 | clarissa | abrotman: yes sir *g* with 32bit |
| 00:02.42 | abrotman | clarissa: there is a -k8 in sarge |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | clarissa: but what error does the -k7 give? |
| 00:03.05 | clarissa | abrotman: wait |
| 00:03.10 | clarissa | abrotman: i'll boot it now |
| 00:03.15 | abrotman | White Lion ? |
| 00:03.41 | mtomczak | So essentially, one hard disk in the machine.Yep, 150MB, single disk (Disk 0). One FAT partition (31MB EISA Configuration), one FAT32 partition (107MB "Unknown;" maybe it's for bad sector replacement?), two FAT partitions labeled "System" and "Backup". |
| 00:04.17 | rhys | how do i make dpkg list all files it has installed? |
| 00:04.25 | rhys | dpkg -L * doesnt work |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | rhys: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 00:04.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching * doesnt work |
| 00:04.29 | clarissa | abrotman: now i boot Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 00:04.39 | abrotman | that's not sarge .. or is it a backport? |
| 00:04.48 | LinuxHelp | dpkg -L kernel |
| 00:04.49 | dpkg | ii kernel 2.2-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 00:04.56 | abrotman | see |
| 00:05.03 | rhys | but kernel isnt found |
| 00:05.07 | rhys | i want it to list them all |
| 00:05.07 | clarissa | abrotman: initrd and kernel booted usb mass storage device detected but cant find it doesnt show up |
| 00:05.10 | rhys | and them i can grep what i want |
| 00:05.11 | LinuxHelp | ultra s3kr1t hmm |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | rhys: dpkg -l *image* |
| 00:05.30 | itchi | rhys: Is it not with the lower -l you mean? |
| 00:05.59 | rhys | fook |
| 00:06.01 | rhys | i installed it |
| 00:06.08 | abrotman | installed it? |
| 00:06.11 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:06.13 | rhys | dpkg -i kernelblahblah blah.deb |
| 00:06.13 | rhys | no no |
| 00:06.21 | rhys | !!! |
| 00:06.21 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 00:06.25 | lunitik | rhys: all packages installed in "dpkg -l" ... you probably wanna pipe that through less though |
| 00:06.32 | rhys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.35 | abrotman | rhys: dpkg -l | grep kernel |
| 00:06.37 | clarissa | abrotman: waiting 16 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up /bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: no such file or directory Device /sys/block/sdb/dev seems to be down. Debugging opportunity, type ^D to continue. /bin/dash: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 00:06.40 | abrotman | rhys: dpkg is a bot |
| 00:06.43 | lunitik | rhys: so 'dpkg -l | less' |
| 00:07.02 | rhys | yes i know its a bot. but it just told me it would cut my head open with a chainsaw |
| 00:07.06 | lunitik | rhys: dpkg -L is to list the files a package installed |
| 00:07.08 | rhys | kk. ty all. |
| 00:07.16 | lunitik | rhys: case is important |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | clarissa: this is the kernel from backports.org? |
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| 00:07.34 | clarissa | abrotman: right lol |
| 00:07.37 | rhys | lunitik, that i know. |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:07.40 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "apt-get update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> |
| 00:08.06 | clarissa | abrotman: roflmao thank you XDD |
| 00:08.16 | mtomczak | Okay, great. So essentially, I don't have a second disk... if I want to dual-boot this machine, it'll be two partitions or nothing. |
| 00:08.21 | lunitik | rhys: although, to LinuxHelp's suprise apparently, dpkg (the bot) is not case sensitive |
| 00:08.36 | rhys | no its not. but it is violent. |
| 00:08.40 | rhys | dpkg do you love me? :( |
| 00:08.45 | lunitik | !lart rhys |
| 00:08.48 | rhys | hahah |
| 00:08.49 | mtomczak | Heh. Given that, I think I'll talk to my boss this weekend about just losing the Windows. We don't really need it on the server, since we never want to take the server down anyway. |
| 00:08.51 | rhys | damn |
| 00:08.55 | rhys | not even the fooking bot likes me |
| 00:09.18 | abrotman | mtomczak: you may need the system restore CDs from dell |
| 00:09.22 | clarissa | abrotman: thank you but how to deinstall the other kernel now? i dont want to loose the working 386 when i install now this here cause the k7 is installed after 386 original from cd and now this would delete the 386 or? |
| 00:09.40 | abrotman | clarissa: they can both exist on your system |
| 00:09.57 | abrotman | lunitik: check the mixer |
| 00:10.36 | clarissa | abrotman: ok |
| 00:10.55 | mtomczak | Yeah. And that plus single disk plus never bring down the server... I think I can give her a pretty good case for punting the Windows completely off and just replacing it with a Samba sharing daemon, since I'm the only one who ever touches the UI on this machine anyway. |
| 00:11.24 | abrotman | mtomczak: i thought this was a laptop |
| 00:11.41 | mtomczak | Oh, nonono... my apologies. It's a lower-end desktop PC. |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | oh .. it's a dell .. just push it over .. it'll break windows |
| 00:12.03 | screenw | What is a natural color distribution, s.t. white looks white, red looks red, green looks green. You get the idea. I want to know value from 0-100 for the red, green and blue components of my computer screen. |
| 00:12.08 | lunitik | abrotman: all options in kmix that I can see are turned all the way up... what is the cli tool for that again? |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | screenw: try #hardware |
| 00:12.24 | mtomczak | Which was in theory sold to us as a server _specifically_.... hence my surprise that it only had one hard drive. |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | lunitik: alsamixer or aumix |
| 00:12.32 | lunitik | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | mtomczak: you bought a dell workstatoin as a server? |
| 00:12.53 | abrotman | someone should lose their job over that :) |
| 00:13.03 | rhys | ok. "dpkg -l | grep kernel" returns 4 packages. of which 2 are what i want. kernel-image-2 is what it displays. but when i run dpkg -r kernel-image-2 |
| 00:13.10 | rhys | it tells me the package doesnt exist |
| 00:13.11 | mtomczak | Long story. :) Short story version is that we are a really small op, we needed something sooner-than-now, the boss only trusts stuff with a corporate label on the case... |
| 00:13.32 | abrotman | mtomczak: HP! IBM! |
| 00:13.34 | lunitik | abrotman: neither exist in Sid apparently |
| 00:13.38 | simonrvn | steal a dell sticker and build your own ;) |
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| 00:13.47 | abrotman | rhys: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel |
| 00:14.00 | rhys | kk |
| 00:14.03 | mtomczak | ... and I'm our lone hacker / sysadmin / development programmer, so I didn't have time to argue the point because I'm too busy making the triangles dance in the graphics card ;) |
| 00:14.04 | simonrvn | ... s,steal,probably find one fairly easily, |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | lunitik: install them ? |
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| 00:14.44 | lunitik | abrotman: alsamixer doesn't exist... but I typed "aumixer" instead of 'aumix' |
| 00:14.49 | mtomczak | She trusts Dell, because it's used by the graphics artists from the school we both graduated. Explaining the finer points of "Graphics PC != server PC" was a longer conversation than I had time for that fateful day ;) |
| 00:14.50 | simonrvn | mtomczak: i feel for you. i'm in the same boat in a couple of places... luckily they're already debianised machines ;) |
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| 00:15.04 | rhys | abrotman, that is damned clever. i wouldve never figured it out in a thousand years. |
| 00:15.04 | rhys | ty |
| 00:15.24 | abrotman | lunitik: you're 100% sure that alsamixer doesn't exist in sid? |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | lunitik: because .. i mean .. you're never wrong .. and accuse me of never helping |
| 00:15.43 | mtomczak | I am a fan of the "Steal a Dell sticker" plan though... maybe fort the webserver, when we have more graphics developers, that could happen :-D |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | !find bin/alsamixer sid |
| 00:16.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/alsamixer' returned no results. |
| 00:16.10 | simonrvn | mtomczak: heh heh |
| 00:16.10 | abrotman | why! |
| 00:16.17 | abrotman | !find bin/alsamixer etch |
| 00:16.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/alsamixer' returned no results. |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | are alsa-utils in sid ? |
| 00:16.40 | mtomczak | Thanks for the help, everyone. We're completing the install and functionality move tomorrow, so I'll probably be around ;) |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | lunitik: i have alsa-utils .. if they're not in sid .. someone effed up |
| 00:17.07 | clarissa | abrotman: great :( now udev would be half configured it aborted with error code deinstalled gnome desktop environment and debian is trash thank you >.< |
| 00:17.12 | stoned | hm |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | clarissa: what? |
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| 00:17.35 | abrotman | ok .. alsa-utils is in sid .. is the bot broken? |
| 00:17.41 | lunitik | abrotman: aptitude install alsamixer returned "No such package"... 'alsa-utils' is in Sid however |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | lunitik: alsa-utils |
| 00:17.59 | clarissa | abrotman: i said my debian is trash now gnome is out udev isnt installed kernel also |
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| 00:18.09 | [TechGuy] | Is anyone else running Cyrus 2.2 with NSS-LDAP? Suddenly after an upgrade today, libnss-ldap seems to have broken and won't allow logins. |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | in sarge? |
| 00:18.25 | clarissa | abrotman: that command destroyed my debian................yes sarge |
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| 00:18.46 | abrotman | clarissa: the "in sarge" was for techguy |
| 00:18.53 | [TechGuy] | etch |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | clarissa: how did it error out? |
| 00:19.04 | stoned | clear |
| 00:19.05 | lunitik | clarissa: you destroyed your debian, apt just did what you told it |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:19.16 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "apt-get update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> |
| 00:19.19 | stoned | finally, I configured irssi |
| 00:19.21 | abrotman | many other people have used that |
| 00:19.31 | abrotman | lunitik: find alsamixer? |
| 00:19.37 | clarissa | lunitik: NOOO i installed udev with apt but i didn't told apt to uninstall gnome |
| 00:19.42 | sng | abrotman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:19.48 | lunitik | abrotman: installed aumix instead, and it seems to do what I want... |
| 00:19.53 | stoned | scarynetworkguy!!!!! |
| 00:19.57 | abrotman | sng: hi |
| 00:20.16 | abrotman | clarissa: it uninstalled gnome? |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | and this is a broken debian? |
| 00:20.31 | clarissa | abrotman: he would install udev then he said that udev version requires a kernel higher than 2.6.15 |
| 00:20.36 | clarissa | abrotman: yes it did |
| 00:20.42 | abrotman | btw .. the package "gnome" is a metapackage |
| 00:20.52 | [TechGuy] | it seems to only affect Cyrus, FYI. It's the do_init assertion that checks if the session uid is 0. |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | or did it uninstall hundreds of packages? |
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| 00:21.04 | lunitik | abrotman: yup, things are adequatly loud now, thankyou :) |
| 00:21.10 | clarissa | abrotman: just gnome gnome-desktop-environment and one other |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | [TechGuy]: checked the bts? |
| 00:21.18 | clarissa | abrotman: and hotplug |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | clarissa: ok .. hotplug had to go .. the other two are metapackages |
| 00:21.33 | lunitik | This movies _long_ huh? |
| 00:21.54 | [TechGuy] | abrotman: Doing so atm |
| 00:22.14 | clarissa | abrotman: dpkg error at working with udev_0.093-0bpo1_i386.deb (--unpack): pre-installation script gave errorcode 1 back |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | lunitik: you have no idea .. |
| 00:22.22 | abrotman | clarissa: but no real error ? |
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| 00:22.41 | clarissa | abrotman: E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code(1) |
| 00:22.44 | abrotman | lunitik: and it gets weird |
| 00:22.48 | abrotman | clarissa: that's not a real error :) |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | clarissa: try to install it again |
| 00:23.04 | clarissa | abrotman: but it couldnt install udev cause kernel is to low |
| 00:23.11 | clarissa | abrotman: i tried same error |
| 00:23.19 | lunitik | I don't think I've ever seen The Wall sober :( |
| 00:23.33 | abrotman | clarissa: can you just install the kernel? |
| 00:23.36 | Jemt | 45645, |
| 00:23.39 | clarissa | abrotman: this version of udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.15, upgrade aborted |
| 00:23.49 | Jemt | Sorry about that - a "friend" of mine :) |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | clarissa: please also ask #debian-backports on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:23.57 | [TechGuy] | abrotman: It's filed as a grave bug, 11 days old. #375533 |
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| 00:24.07 | abrotman | [TechGuy]: no fix in there? |
| 00:24.12 | [TechGuy] | abrotman: nada |
| 00:24.21 | abrotman | [TechGuy]: time to roll back |
| 00:24.26 | lunitik | clarissa: I'm pretty sure 2.6.16 > 2.6.15 |
| 00:24.29 | abrotman | !tell [TechGuy] about sdn |
| 00:24.40 | clarissa | lunitik: 2.6.16 isnt installed |
| 00:24.44 | abrotman | [TechGuy]: lesson here .. don't run testing on production servers :) |
| 00:24.52 | lunitik | clarissa: I thought you were told to install it? |
| 00:24.52 | [TechGuy] | abrotman: Indeed. Should've pinned it. |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | clarissa: if you just try to install the kernel? will it go? |
| 00:25.09 | clarissa | abrotman: no it gives dependencies |
| 00:25.12 | [TechGuy] | abrotman: production vs testing vs sandbox is all the same when it's a personal server. ;) |
| 00:25.23 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:25.35 | lunitik | clarissa: failed deps? or it just ask you to hit 'y' |
| 00:25.38 | lunitik | ? |
| 00:25.42 | clarissa | abrotman: initramfs-tools and linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 00:25.50 | clarissa | lunitik: failed deps |
| 00:25.50 | abrotman | clarissa: apt-get -t sarge-backports install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 00:26.20 | clarissa | abrotman: dependencies problems |
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| 00:26.32 | abrotman | clarissa: so append those dependencies to the command |
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| 00:27.57 | clarissa | abrotman: do you want to connect to my shell to fix directly? |
| 00:28.06 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 00:28.17 | clarissa | with ssh |
| 00:29.16 | nvz | ssh means ssh dont tell anyone your password |
| 00:29.30 | clarissa | xDD |
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| 00:29.51 | clarissa | okay @.@ |
| 00:29.55 | abrotman | clarissa: i'd really prefer not to .. you sohuld never give someone on IRC access to your system .. espeically not root access |
| 00:30.13 | clarissa | abrotman: okay :( but i am to stupid for that ._. |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | clarissa: are you in X now? |
| 00:31.04 | Spudchat | anyone know a good guide about setting up exim4 to send and recievce mail for my fully qualified domain? |
| 00:31.08 | nvz | stupidity can be contagious so dont bring it in here we got enough of it :P |
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| 00:31.26 | clarissa | abrotman: no i am in shell |
| 00:31.59 | clarissa | now i am in x |
| 00:32.01 | clarissa | gnome |
| 00:32.03 | beardy | Stupidity is not that bad if you think you are yourself, that can be fixed. If you are stupid though, and never know it yourself, that is worse. |
| 00:32.39 | clarissa | i can make for abrotman new account and delete later no problem cause i can see what he does |
| 00:32.45 | clarissa | via ssh i can watch to him |
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| 00:33.20 | clarissa | but i dont know how to setup ssh |
| 00:33.23 | freakzoid0223 | Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most. : ) |
| 00:33.33 | beardy | clarissa: I'm sure you can fix it yourself, just give us the information we ask for, and follow the instructions those helping you give you. |
| 00:33.40 | abrotman | clarissa: you still have to give me root |
| 00:33.49 | clarissa | abrotman: wait |
| 00:33.51 | abrotman | clarissa: can you paste the error on pastebin.ca ? |
| 00:34.00 | clarissa | i just trust the channel here |
| 00:34.03 | clarissa | why i shouldnt |
| 00:34.16 | clarissa | i dont think all others than me are stupid liers O.o |
| 00:34.29 | clarissa | when i would think that i shouldnt install debian too cause its made from peoples they are here |
| 00:35.32 | paol0 | Hello guys |
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| 00:35.41 | beardy | No.. but there are lots of people here, and in all larger collections of people, some are not that nice, or even there for the same reason you are. |
| 00:36.06 | paol0 | I got an information for 4 |
| 00:36.12 | clarissa | beardy: i just want help and do you think abrotman is bad? |
| 00:36.52 | beardy | clarissa: No, I know _he_ isn't, it's just the way we always do, and how will you learn something if you aren't doing it, and learning? |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | beardy: am i bad?! |
| 00:37.10 | Jemt | abrotman is very, very bad ;) |
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| 00:37.23 | clarissa | beardy: cause when you found the problem you can teach to me but i am happy that it works and i am not frustrated |
| 00:37.24 | beardy | abrotman: Not that I know :) |
| 00:37.41 | paol0 | I just finish to buy a sun ultra sparc V model 270 to 64 bit, i pay totally 20 euros |
| 00:37.46 | garryF | I have no sound on this etch system. I've ran through the alsaconfig, alsamixer alsa-salsa, prayed to the cable Gods, Shed the requisite tears, googled up all the obosolete info to no avail, and I'm beat, smitten, sickened and thwarted. Can anyone unthwart me? |
| 00:38.03 | clarissa | abrotman: how to give your account root privileges? |
| 00:38.25 | clarissa | abrotman: i am inside users and groupsettings |
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| 00:38.40 | abrotman | clarissa: we're not doing this .. it's a very bad idea .. please paste the error |
| 00:38.40 | clarissa | abrotman: inside gnome systemsettings menu |
| 00:38.54 | clarissa | omg okay then ok wait i come with pc online |
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| 00:41.01 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 00:41.02 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:41.20 | damog | I need some shell access |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | finalyl found it |
| 00:41.28 | beardy | spork? |
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| 00:41.40 | beardy | Is that a spoon and fork combo? |
| 00:41.45 | freakzoid0223 | yup |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | !dict spork |
| 00:41.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'spork' trademark for a plastic eating utensil that has both tines and a bowl like a spoon |
| 00:41.54 | Nei | on the other hand, offering shell access to random people you meet on irc can be a great way to obtain passwords etc |
| 00:41.57 | clarissa | abrotman: here i am |
| 00:41.59 | beardy | Ah, hehe |
| 00:42.01 | lunitik | beardy: its like a spoon, only with holes in it to stab stuff |
| 00:42.17 | clarissa | okay what do i have to type ? ^^ |
| 00:42.25 | damog | clarissa: your password |
| 00:42.43 | freakzoid0223 | imported from ork like mork |
| 00:42.59 | screenw | abrotman: nice social engineering skills there (getting root without asking it) ;) |
| 00:43.09 | clarissa | damog: no :) |
| 00:43.24 | clarissa | screenw: its just trusting <.<"""" |
| 00:43.34 | damog | trusting what? |
| 00:43.34 | lunitik | foolish* |
| 00:43.44 | clarissa | him |
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| 00:44.29 | clarissa | abrotman: hey are you there? ^^ |
| 00:44.44 | pab | I appreciate the kind and gentle way abrotman and beardy are instructing her in her error |
| 00:45.03 | screenw | clarissa: I let one guy on my machine once, but he first went out to my home folder. I didn't give him the rights to do so, but he tried. If I hadn't been using some watch tool, I wouldn't have noticed. Imagine what he could have done when he had root. |
| 00:45.20 | damog | clarissa: He is here: http://www.damog.net/files/pics/abrotman.jpg |
| 00:45.35 | clarissa | screenw: um but o.o watch tool? |
| 00:45.47 | Eulex | haha, nice hat |
| 00:45.56 | clarissa | loool abrotman looks nice :D |
| 00:46.01 | clarissa | thats cool ^-^ |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | hey! |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | damog: cheater! |
| 00:46.56 | damog | abrotman: you look nice, dude :) |
| 00:46.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:47.01 | screenw | clarissa: A tool which you can use to see what other people are doing in their shells. Before you do so, you should first warn them, though. |
| 00:47.27 | screenw | abrotman: Is that you, anyway? |
| 00:47.30 | clarissa | since abrotman looks nice and is kind i just trust him :P |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | screenw: it wasn't me! |
| 00:47.42 | abrotman | screenw: yes .. that's me in the hat |
| 00:47.46 | damog | clarissa: are you an aol bot? |
| 00:48.04 | damog | clarissa: are you asking us to visit your profile in a minute? |
| 00:48.05 | clarissa | damog: no i am not @.@" |
| 00:48.12 | clarissa | rofl xD |
| 00:48.23 | screenw | abrotman: You look less scary than other geeks who posted their picture online ;) |
| 00:48.27 | clarissa | damog: are you a stupid questions asking bot? :) |
| 00:48.36 | abrotman | screenw: you've never seen me drive ... |
| 00:48.40 | beardy | screenw: Where's your picture? |
| 00:49.21 | clarissa | abrotman: i need your help @.@ |
| 00:49.23 | garryF | I have no sound on this etch system. I've ran through the alsaconfig, alsamixer alsa-salsa, prayed to the cable Gods, Shed the requisite tears, googled up all the obosolete info to no avail, and I'm beat, smitten, sickened and thwarted. Can anyone unthwart me? |
| 00:49.23 | lunitik | beardy: scroll up |
| 00:49.27 | screenw | beardy: On the wall |
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| 00:49.34 | abrotman | clarissa: paste the error |
| 00:49.35 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:49.36 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:49.42 | damog | clarissa: she needs your help, do her a favour :) |
| 00:49.43 | lunitik | garryF: more than one sound device? |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 00:50.00 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is probably 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 00:50.00 | clarissa | abrotman: i dont have error cause i am on x now with computer ^^" |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | clarissa: huh? |
| 00:50.16 | garryF | lunitik One on board, disabled, creative sb audology 2 pro |
| 00:50.16 | clarissa | abrotman: i were in shell before :3 |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | clarissa: so open gnome-terminal |
| 00:50.36 | damog | I have a question: What does "<3" mean? :) |
| 00:50.47 | lunitik | garryF: disabled via /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
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| 00:51.11 | lunitik | damog: tild your head to the right 90 degrees |
| 00:51.15 | screenw | beardy: can I see your beard? |
| 00:51.16 | zinx | damog: ♥ |
| 00:51.21 | lunitik | tilt even |
| 00:51.23 | garryF | lunitik Via bios |
| 00:51.34 | damog | lunitik: looks like an icecream |
| 00:51.39 | freakzoid0223 | garryF, i couldnt get sarge to work on my desktop which has audigy1 : / |
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| 00:51.49 | lunitik | garryF: Linux doesn't much care about the BIOS ime |
| 00:52.11 | freakzoid0223 | ended up using mepis |
| 00:52.14 | clarissa | abrotman: look pm ^.^ |
| 00:52.16 | garryF | Sound card detected, I hear a click as alsa is started but after that no sound except if someone complains about my screaming. |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | clarissa: please don't do that .. tlak in here |
| 00:52.45 | clarissa | abrotman: but here its so fast @.@ |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | clarissa: try to install the packages again |
| 00:52.50 | garryF | freakzoid0223 Figures. |
| 00:52.52 | clarissa | abrotman: okay opened terminal with su rights |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | then paste the error |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:52.57 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "apt-get update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> |
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| 00:53.35 | clarissa | abrotman: lol its german xD you cant read the text @.@ |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | try me |
| 00:53.53 | beardy | clarissa: Try it. |
| 00:54.07 | clarissa | ok |
| 00:54.21 | lunitik | clarissa: its using a crappy font, but other than that, its certainly English |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | besides .. we've got damog .. he's german |
| 00:54.37 | clarissa | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/8701 |
| 00:54.49 | garryF | ah freakzoid0223 Ah yes, I thinks its time for mephis. |
| 00:55.07 | damog | abrotman: Danke. |
| 00:55.24 | abrotman | clarissa: apt-get -t sarge-backports install linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 00:55.44 | lunitik | garryF: Mepis is just Kubuntu with a crap default interface, which in turn is Debian without control |
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| 00:55.59 | abrotman | and off topic here |
| 00:56.04 | lunitik | abrotman: that too |
| 00:56.11 | clarissa | abrotman: worked |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:56.30 | clarissa | abrotman: what do i have to do next? ^^ |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | clarissa: now try the whole command from before except leave off the |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:56.42 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "apt-get update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> |
| 00:56.45 | damog | clarissa: give us your phone number |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | leave off the linux-image part |
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| 00:57.43 | garryF | lunitik Hehe. I've been looking for a couple of linuxes to play with I got ubuntu/kubuntu. I might end up going back to slackware. I tried Suse, but it borked on me. |
| 00:57.52 | clarissa | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/8702 |
| 00:58.06 | lunitik | garryF: you should give Debian more of a shot :/ |
| 00:58.29 | lunitik | garryF: once you get a clue, nothing else compares |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | clarissa: leave OFF the linux-image-2.6 parge |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | part |
| 00:58.43 | garryF | Maybe my mistake is using etch. |
| 00:58.46 | clarissa | abrotman: okay |
| 00:59.25 | lunitik | garryF: I use Sid... most developers use Sid, so fixes happen for Sid faster :) (although things also break more, but like I said, it gets fixed faster, so it works out) |
| 00:59.35 | garryF | Oh how sweet, I've been forgetting to put the user name in my tells so they go public. |
| 00:59.51 | clarissa | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/8703 |
| 01:00.00 | garryF | lunitik Yeah, sounds like a plan. |
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| 01:00.43 | abrotman | clarissa: try this 'apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7' |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | clarissa: exactly as it appears |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | ok .. leave off the 's |
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| 01:01.28 | clarissa | abrotman: i did but same error again with udev |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | paste it .. |
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| 01:02.15 | clarissa | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/8704 |
| 01:02.48 | garryF | lunitik Ironically, I finally got my nvidia hardware accelleration working. Oh well, back to frying another cd. I tried freebsd it was aweful. I put the disk in, instead of install I get "Can't find boot disk. Defaulting to disk0" which is the floppy! |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | clarissa: touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade |
| 01:02.51 | abrotman | clarissa: then try again |
| 01:03.26 | Roldyx | hello someone installed OpenCA?? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | !punish udev |
| 01:04.01 | Roldyx | i cannot install OpenCA server |
| 01:04.04 | clarissa | abrotman: Kernel upgrade mode, udevd has not been restarted. Please reboot the system as soon as possible. Setup initramfs-tools (0.59bpo1) ... ready |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | clarissa: will you kill me if your system doesn't come back up? |
| 01:04.45 | clarissa | abrotman: that udev needs higher kernel but setup was forced |
| 01:04.59 | clarissa | abrotman: please purge the hotplug packet |
| 01:05.03 | abrotman | that's fine .. you basically told it that you've just installed a new enough kernel |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | clarissa: dpkg -P hotplug |
| 01:05.44 | clarissa | abrotman: did it |
| 01:05.52 | clarissa | abrotman: how to check kernel version installed? |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | it was 2.6.16 |
| 01:06.05 | jetscreamer | uname -r for running kernel |
| 01:06.07 | clarissa | abrotman: not the 386 running now the new i mean |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | look in /boot/ |
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| 01:06.18 | jetscreamer | ls /boot |
| 01:06.22 | clarissa | okay |
| 01:06.42 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:06.45 | jetscreamer | i am your father ab |
| 01:06.51 | jetscreamer | come over to the dark side |
| 01:06.58 | abrotman | do they have free beer? |
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| 01:07.03 | clarissa | vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-k7 and vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 is inside |
| 01:07.09 | jetscreamer | i didn't say the light side... |
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| 01:07.25 | jetscreamer | oh yeah heineken dark |
| 01:07.30 | k-god | jetscreamer: *dark* beer? |
| 01:07.31 | bronze | total absobrewtion! |
| 01:07.34 | clarissa | abrotman: vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-k7 and vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 is inside |
| 01:07.38 | Roldyx | www.openca.org |
| 01:07.40 | beardy | abrotman: Sure they do. But there are holes in the bottom of the bottles. |
| 01:07.41 | abrotman | i swear to god .. my boss NEVER listens to a word i say |
| 01:07.43 | jmikeharvey | Hello all... Got a question... Looking to download Debian... I go to www.linuxiso.org and there are only two CD's... go to other locations and there are 14... whats up? |
| 01:07.52 | Roldyx | i cant install it |
| 01:07.52 | jetscreamer | yes the dark side has stout german beer |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | !d-i jmikeharvey |
| 01:07.56 | dpkg | jmikeharvey, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:08.01 | k-god | jmikeharvey: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | clarissa: ok |
| 01:08.08 | k-god | jmikeharvey: And read the installation manual / faq |
| 01:08.12 | jetscreamer | jmikeharvey: you usually only need the first cd if that helps |
| 01:08.15 | abrotman | clarissa: hopefully the 2.6.16-k7 boots |
| 01:08.19 | clarissa | abrotman: reboot? and yes i hug you when it doesnt start xD |
| 01:08.24 | jmikeharvey | thanks |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | hug of death? |
| 01:08.30 | clarissa | abrotman: its the 2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | hopefully it works |
| 01:08.40 | clarissa | abrotman: yes hug to dead *fg* |
| 01:09.06 | clarissa | ------------rebooting-----throw winblows outside window and rescue your pc meep meep |
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| 01:09.37 | abrotman | doh .. forgot to bless clarissa |
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| 01:09.55 | jetscreamer | !bless clarissa |
| 01:09.56 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child clarissa, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:10.00 | beardy | let's bless you instead |
| 01:10.03 | k-god | !bed abrotman |
| 01:10.05 | beardy | !bless abrotman |
| 01:10.05 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child abrotman, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:10.07 | k-god | @bed abrotman |
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| 01:10.21 | abrotman | yay? |
| 01:10.28 | damog | abrotman: is she your date now? |
| 01:10.35 | abrotman | really .. WHY DOESN'T MY BOSS EVER LISTEN?! |
| 01:10.47 | k-god | abrotman: Still hasn't fired you? |
| 01:10.53 | abrotman | damog: at least you didn't show her the cakebutt picture :) |
| 01:10.59 | beardy | abrotman: Yell at him? |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | k-god: eh .. no |
| 01:11.00 | damog | Heh. |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | beardy: then he just gets pissed off and pulls the boss card .. even though he doesn't understand what he's saying |
| 01:12.29 | [TechGuy] | abrotman: Been awhile since I've used the BTS. I just send an email to the specific bug ID email address in the BTS to add an additional report, right? |
| 01:12.51 | abrotman | [TechGuy]: if you want to append a bug .. send to <bugnumber>@bugs.debian.org |
| 01:12.53 | k-god | [TechGuy]: There *is* a usage guide at http://bugs.debian.org/ ;-) |
| 01:13.03 | k-god | [TechGuy]: But generally, yes. |
| 01:13.06 | beardy | abrotman: ok.. what happens if you stop to listen? |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | he just spouts gibberish |
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| 01:13.32 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 01:13.52 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you don't need money, or a good reference, bitch slap him and inform him that he is an idiot |
| 01:13.55 | ldexter | so much drama in teh IRC |
| 01:13.56 | clarissa | it didn't work i cant boot both now udev doesnt start and only 386 kernel runs but i cant start gnome with startx now <.< |
| 01:14.16 | clarissa | and i use irssi......... |
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| 01:14.18 | abrotman | clarissa: why doesn't -k7 start? |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | is there an error ? |
| 01:14.26 | clarissa | abrotman: same error |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | which was? |
| 01:14.32 | jetscreamer | clarissa: i don't suppose you're having a problem like say hda magically becomes hde |
| 01:14.36 | beardy | clarissa: that's good, irssi is great |
| 01:14.38 | clarissa | abrotman: same as before with sdb |
| 01:14.48 | [TechGuy] | k-god: :P |
| 01:14.55 | clarissa | beardy: lol i better want to say irssi is my only solution without x xD |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | <clarissa> abrotman: waiting 16 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up /bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: no such file or directory Device /sys/block/sdb/dev seems to be down. Debugging opportunity, type ^D to continue. /bin/dash: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 01:15.15 | clarissa | jetscreamer: nope |
| 01:15.21 | clarissa | abrotman: right that |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | clarissa: apt-get -t sarge-backports install linux-image-2.6.16-2-386 |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | what kind of machine is this... a dell? |
| 01:15.57 | beardy | /bin/dash? |
| 01:16.07 | clarissa | abrotman: couldnt find that kernel |
| 01:16.07 | jetscreamer | how many hd controllers, sda or ide |
| 01:16.18 | jetscreamer | err pata or sata rather |
| 01:16.23 | beardy | oh, handtyped? |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | oh .. -486 now i think |
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| 01:16.42 | clarissa | abrotman: worked |
| 01:16.55 | lunitik | abrotman: she said it was an amd64 earlier... |
| 01:17.01 | jetscreamer | build your own kernel, non-initrd |
| 01:17.04 | mhall | bazb |
| 01:17.04 | clarissa | lunitik: right but debian 32bit |
| 01:17.05 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 01:17.06 | abrotman | lunitik: she's running 32bit sarge |
| 01:17.12 | clarissa | right ^.^ |
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| 01:17.18 | lunitik | abrotman: shouldn't that be what you are fixing? :P |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | you can't |
| 01:17.36 | lunitik | abrotman: amd64 is still only sid? |
| 01:17.37 | beardy | abrotman: was that kick meant for me? |
| 01:17.42 | clarissa | abrotman: its installed now |
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| 01:17.50 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. you can't just go from 32bit to pure64 |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | clarissa: when you reboot .. select that from the grub/lilo menu |
| 01:18.01 | lunitik | abrotman: you can if you have her reinstall... |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | lunitik: you can handle that ... |
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| 01:18.10 | clarissa | abrotman: okay bbl |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | beardy: no .. it was meant for mhall who was using is alter ego |
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| 01:18.41 | beardy | abrotman: ah, hehe |
| 01:19.10 | jetscreamer | beardy is mhall? |
| 01:19.22 | mhall | Where can I get a good deal on a dual Opteron workstation? |
| 01:19.29 | beardy | No, I thought it was nicktab error. |
| 01:19.44 | jetscreamer | mhall: check pricewatch.com maybe |
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| 01:20.08 | abrotman | mhall: ableshopper? shopper.cnet.com ? |
| 01:20.09 | clarissa | okay |
| 01:20.11 | mhall | jetscreamer: But I'd like a whole built box not parts. |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | okay bad? okay good? |
| 01:20.17 | clarissa | abrotman: 486er booted |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | mhall: monarch ? |
| 01:20.21 | jetscreamer | mhall: they have systems also |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | clarissa: this is good right? |
| 01:20.43 | clarissa | abrotman: i think so lol it booted |
| 01:20.49 | clarissa | abrotman: with udev inside |
| 01:21.01 | jetscreamer | but a -486 kernel doesn't do udev |
| 01:21.02 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:21.08 | clarissa | jetscreamer: it does x.x |
| 01:21.12 | clarissa | i saw udev loading |
| 01:21.25 | clarissa | as long its above 2.6.15 |
| 01:21.36 | clarissa | 2.5.16 boots fine 486 too |
| 01:21.37 | jetscreamer | ok... |
| 01:21.49 | clarissa | xDDDD |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | does X work? |
| 01:21.56 | clarissa | args i want um X xD |
| 01:22.00 | clarissa | wait i leave here |
| 01:22.03 | clarissa | then i try |
| 01:22.04 | abrotman | you leave here? |
| 01:22.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:22.08 | jetscreamer | clarissa: build a kernel w/o initrd and i bet it functions properly |
| 01:22.13 | clarissa | i dont know how to connect here back from X ^^ |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it could be a bug for her chipset with k7 .. she has a k8 |
| 01:22.27 | clarissa | jetscreamer: yes i know but that is hmm |
| 01:22.42 | clarissa | abrotman: yup why you say this ? o.o |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | because we keep calling you she instead of he |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | in the states clarissa is a girl's name .. no idea in germany |
| 01:23.04 | clarissa | um thats right as it is O.o" |
| 01:23.13 | clarissa | lol it's a girls name xD |
| 01:23.14 | jetscreamer | i've never seen a guy named clarissa if that helps abrotman |
| 01:23.23 | clarissa | XDDD |
| 01:23.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you've also never seen a girl |
| 01:23.28 | jetscreamer | true |
| 01:23.28 | clarissa | jetscreamer: rofl |
| 01:23.38 | clarissa | abrotman: hey that was mean @.@ |
| 01:23.42 | clarissa | *hugs jetscreamer |
| 01:23.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: of course .. the most puzzling part is how you got those kids |
| 01:24.01 | jetscreamer | i inherited them |
| 01:24.06 | clarissa | jetscreamer: um o.o a married male human who never saw a girl? o.o |
| 01:24.22 | liable | the stork! |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | it's a rough life in texas .. when you get caught with a cow .. it's all downhill from there |
| 01:24.26 | clarissa | XD |
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| 01:24.38 | clarissa | hm okay i leave now irssi here |
| 01:24.38 | jetscreamer | abrotman: it's worse when it's a sheep |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's what liable keeps saying |
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| 01:25.36 | abrotman | is this bad? |
| 01:25.39 | clarissa | yeehaa XD |
| 01:25.48 | clarissa | it works well |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | what does? |
| 01:25.55 | abrotman | X or irssi? |
| 01:25.57 | clarissa | the kernel works |
| 01:25.59 | clarissa | X ^^ |
| 01:26.07 | clarissa | x didn't work with 386 kernel now o.o" |
| 01:26.13 | clarissa | but i could boot 386er |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | X works too ? |
| 01:26.24 | clarissa | now just 486 works with X the newer |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | now is the time on sprockets when we dance! |
| 01:26.36 | clarissa | your 486 you gave me just work now all others don't |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | the -386 won't work because hotplug is gone probably |
| 01:27.02 | clarissa | i know x3 |
| 01:27.11 | clarissa | how to uninstal both not working ones? |
| 01:27.19 | clarissa | the k7 and 386 ? |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 01:27.31 | clarissa | no please not @.@ |
| 01:27.45 | clarissa | i have an idea i just put them out from boot list inside grub that is good too |
| 01:28.05 | beardy | clarissa: It's not hard, 'man apt-get' and hit / to search for uninstall |
| 01:28.06 | jenn_d | Hi, everybody. Has anyone out there kept getting the "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" error upon doing an apt-get update, even after upping the cache limit in apt.conf? |
| 01:28.09 | clarissa | what i cant see isnt there :P |
| 01:28.16 | clarissa | beardy: i know how to uninstall |
| 01:28.22 | clarissa | but not how to uninstall kernel o.o |
| 01:28.36 | clarissa | apt-get remove --purge i know |
| 01:28.36 | jetscreamer | same |
| 01:28.36 | jenn_d | Google doesn't tell me what to do *next*. ;) |
| 01:28.45 | sid | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5lESZV68.html |
| 01:28.49 | sid | What package an I missing? |
| 01:28.57 | liable | !tell jenn_d about mmap |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | sid: Xmu .. duh :) |
| 01:29.15 | clarissa | that few megs doesnt hurt me :3 |
| 01:29.16 | beardy | clarissa: Since those are Debian kernels, they will remove the entries in your grub when they are uninstalled. |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | sid: apt-cache search xmu |
| 01:29.34 | liable | jenn_d: um, missed the bit about you updating it, you sure you spelt it all right? |
| 01:29.35 | clarissa | beardy: i did remove entries now and let the kernels where they are ^^ |
| 01:29.45 | jetscreamer | !Dynamic MMap |
| 01:29.46 | dpkg | i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 01:29.55 | jenn_d | liable: I'll check again. |
| 01:30.00 | clarissa | aaaaaaaaaaa help the chainloader for windows is away O.O |
| 01:30.05 | jenn_d | Wow. Now that's a cool bot. |
| 01:30.16 | jetscreamer | clarissa: iirc they will magically return one day |
| 01:30.39 | clarissa | jetscreamer: okay i delete them from /boot too with mc *g* |
| 01:30.59 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove :( |
| 01:31.09 | jenn_d | liable: Yep, all correct in apt.conf. But the bot is suggesting an even more humongous value; I'll try that. |
| 01:31.17 | liable | clarissa: thats what the package manager is for.. |
| 01:31.25 | abrotman | maybe use aptitude? |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | or synaptic ? |
| 01:31.31 | clarissa | okay wait i try :) |
| 01:31.35 | zenit | sid: libxmu-dev or something in that lane |
| 01:31.36 | liable | jenn_d: the bot knows best :) |
| 01:31.39 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.58 | sid | zenit / abrotman http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/uOwMjy95.html |
| 01:32.01 | sid | Why doesn't that make? |
| 01:32.30 | abrotman | the code is broken |
| 01:32.31 | clarissa | jetscreamer: apt-get remove vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-k7 <-- didnt work |
| 01:32.35 | abrotman | toffmpeg.c:175: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union |
| 01:32.35 | sid | ./configure showed me nothing about xmu; Everything says "yes" |
| 01:32.52 | abrotman | sid: do a make clean first |
| 01:32.53 | jenn_d | Well, hot-diddly-dang, that did it. I was afraid to increase it much more than six digits without someone holding my hand. :) |
| 01:32.56 | beardy | clarissa: The package name, same as you used when you installed them. |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | use aptitude or synaptic |
| 01:33.07 | clarissa | beardy i don't know that name :( |
| 01:33.20 | beardy | clarissa: but if you have removed the files in /boot, perhaps it will be problems. |
| 01:33.21 | sid | same error with make clean abrotman |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | code broken |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | or ask #c |
| 01:33.43 | clarissa | beardy: okay i just let them stay there but i removed them from boot line |
| 01:33.52 | clarissa | wait i try both OS now with booting |
| 01:34.05 | beardy | clarissa: apt-cache search 2.6.16-2-k7, should list the package name |
| 01:34.42 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:34.42 | beardy | clarprobablt kernel-image-2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 01:34.47 | beardy | great.. |
| 01:34.48 | sid | abrotman: ./configure is falling back on the shared libraries of stuff, and not using the bundled libraries..I think I need to tweak ./configure with options, instead of just "./configure" |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | beardy: linux-image |
| 01:34.53 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.01 | beardy | abrotman: wasn't it sarge? |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | sid: maybe |
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| 01:35.10 | abrotman | beardy: not for 2.6.16 .. it was a backport |
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| 01:35.37 | sid | maybe ./configure --with-gtk2 --with-forced-embedded-ffmpeg --enable-static-libs=libpng |
| 01:36.22 | jetscreamer | mplayer? |
| 01:36.35 | sid | nope, that didn't help. heh |
| 01:36.44 | sid | jetscreamer: no xvidcap |
| 01:36.48 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:37.25 | sid | seems to be an annoying package to compile and get working properly |
| 01:37.41 | sid | too bad marillat doesn't have it, with all the ffmpeg legal issues around it debian cna't have it |
| 01:37.45 | sid | It's been on ftp master's new list forever |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | luckily .. it's not in debian . so we dont' have to care |
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| 01:38.21 | abrotman | everything ok? |
| 01:38.29 | sid | actually after just checking the new list, it's not there anymore. After a year and a half it got removed. :( |
| 01:38.31 | clarissa | abrotman: yes ^.^ |
| 01:38.49 | clarissa | hmmmmmm now the harder thing :/ |
| 01:38.59 | clarissa | let me see on the box what it is named |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | clarissa: guess i'm not so angry so fast eh? :) |
| 01:39.21 | clarissa | abrotman: why angry? :| |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | clarissa: you said i get angry fast :) |
| 01:39.39 | clarissa | oh Connect3D ATI Radeon X850XT i have to install that ^.^ |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | <clarissa> abrotman: lol you're angry fast :3 |
| 01:39.58 | clarissa | abrotman: i did? o.o oh xD |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | oh no .. not radeon! |
| 01:40.11 | clarissa | yeah radeon :D |
| 01:40.16 | clarissa | you'll love it xD |
| 01:40.26 | clarissa | i love ati :) |
| 01:40.30 | clarissa | more power less price ^.^ |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | i like ati .. binary drivers suck |
| 01:40.39 | clarissa | that is right |
| 01:40.52 | clarissa | but ati for itself is good :) better hardware for same price than nvidia ^^ |
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| 01:41.04 | clarissa | when you read specs from both :) |
| 01:41.26 | abrotman | i have a laptop .. i could care less about specs :) |
| 01:41.27 | coward | is ther eNOTHING I can use in debian to play shorten files? |
| 01:41.30 | clarissa | geforce6800 against x850xt 2nd is cheaper but faster much faster |
| 01:41.35 | clarissa | abrotman: yes right xD |
| 01:41.38 | coward | seems rather weird for a distro with 8K + packages; to not be able to play shorten files |
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| 01:42.20 | kolaje | i installed the newest nvidia drivers on my laptop, but the max res is 800x600. in xorg.conf it reads that it will allow higher resolutions, why wont it show up in the screen resolution window in X? |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | coward: wtf are shorten files? |
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| 01:42.39 | abrotman | !tell kolaje about nvidia one-liner |
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| 01:42.44 | clarissa | abrotman: the PROBLEM xD is um that i need x.org for that drivers i don't have xorg i use x-free but i have installed backport :) now how to setup ^.^ |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | clarissa: xorg is in the backports too |
| 01:43.05 | clarissa | abrotman: i know i setup that allready :) before kernel things ^.^ |
| 01:43.10 | sparr | im in the middle of umounting a flash drive, how can i tell how much writing is left to be done to it before the umount completes? |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | so you have xorg now? |
| 01:43.19 | abrotman | sparr: how big is it? |
| 01:43.26 | clarissa | abrotman: no i just have xfree86 but with xborg backport |
| 01:43.27 | sparr | abrotman: 4GB |
| 01:43.39 | clarissa | lool not xborg XD |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | sparr: somewhere between 0GB and 4GB |
| 01:43.46 | abrotman | ha! .. and i have a PhD |
| 01:43.51 | sparr | you use it well |
| 01:43.52 | dvs | !prize abrotman |
| 01:43.56 | kolaje | thanks abrotman, i'll see what this is all about then |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | sparr: i don't think there's anyway to tell |
| 01:44.04 | sparr | :( |
| 01:44.20 | sparr | its done. phew. cya |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | sparr: how long has it been syncing? |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 01:45.00 | clarissa | abrotman: what do you think about dist-upgrades now? *gg* |
| 01:45.12 | garryF | IS there no net install for sid? |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | no |
| 01:45.38 | garryF | k, thanks. |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | clarissa: i didn't tell you not to do it |
| 01:46.13 | clarissa | abrotman: can't happen something bad? i mean um its sarge or did backport something bad with it what get destroyed with upgrades? |
| 01:46.18 | abrotman | mmm .. i hope 2.6.17 makes etch |
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| 01:46.38 | abrotman | clarissa: if you need xorg .. you have two options .. install xorg from backports or upgrade to etch |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | !tell aaaaa about root |
| 01:46.46 | dvs | abrotman: they already have a 2.6.18 release candidate |
| 01:46.48 | kolaje | abrotman, most people get angry when i tell them i'm using ubuntu, while asking questions in the debian room, but i'm using ubuntu, and it says not to install the nvidia-settings package |
| 01:46.52 | roberto | Who makes the Loki Installers at www.liflg.org? |
| 01:46.55 | clarissa | abrotman: but etch isnt stable or? |
| 01:47.09 | abrotman | dvs: i know .. but .17 has way more stuff than .16 |
| 01:47.32 | abrotman | kolaje: well .. then you're in the wrong channel .. because i just told you the way to do it in debian .. please ask #ubuntu |
| 01:47.40 | kolaje | yeah but they aren't good |
| 01:47.42 | kolaje | nevermind, thanks |
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| 01:47.49 | abrotman | kolaje: but you're not using debian :) |
| 01:48.05 | kolaje | yeah but i figure you might have a better idea |
| 01:48.09 | clarissa | kolaje: ??? |
| 01:48.18 | kolaje | since ubuntu is based off of debian |
| 01:48.20 | clarissa | kolaje: its like you cant cross sheeps with dogs :) |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | kolaje: other than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. no |
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| 01:48.54 | kolaje | kthanks anyway, sorry for being born |
| 01:49.01 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
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| 01:49.16 | nefertum | anybody here can install ecb for emacs? |
| 01:49.23 | nefertum | i have problems in debian sid |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | clarissa: i use etch .. it's mostly stable .. but sometimes stuff breaks |
| 01:49.53 | clarissa | abrotman: what means breaks? |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | Bruch |
| 01:50.59 | clarissa | yes i know i mean um |
| 01:51.02 | clarissa | what happens then |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | Würfel |
| 01:51.11 | tictac | going back to 3200x1600 after using 1600x1200 for upwards of a year is a pita. |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | you have to wait for it to get fixed |
| 01:51.14 | Rug | I have a Sarge box that locks up tight during boot while trying to initialize mysqld. I can't ctrl+c to skip it, and I don't want to nuke the box (I really want to backup mysql) Any suggestions? |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | Rug: wait for it to die |
| 01:51.36 | tictac | err 3200x1200 too. |
| 01:51.49 | Rug | abrotman: how long should it take? |
| 01:51.52 | ldexter | Rug: boot to single-user mode and make a backup |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | 10 minutes maybe |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | Rug: or boot to single user .. and remove the S20mysqld or whatever it is |
| 01:52.45 | Rug | I can't boot into anything. I get to pick a grub entry and that's it. I can't get in to alter the boot-mode |
| 01:52.58 | ldexter | from grub add init=/bin/sh |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | in the grub menu .. hit 'e' .. edit one .. |
| 01:53.07 | Rug | excellent, thanks |
| 01:53.13 | ldexter | or add "single" to the boot command |
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| 01:53.19 | clarissa | abrotman: i dont want that something inside the OS breaks :( |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | clarissa: so use stable .. |
| 01:53.28 | ldexter | that'll bypass all the init scripts |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | clarissa: install xorg from backports |
| 01:53.44 | ldexter | you may have to mount your file systems manually |
| 01:53.55 | ldexter | and you may ahve to remount / rw if its read-only |
| 01:53.55 | Rug | ldexter: thanks for your help |
| 01:54.02 | abrotman | be hard to get to /bin/sh if you don't have / :) |
| 01:54.03 | ldexter | no problem, good luck. |
| 01:54.11 | clarissa | abrotman: okay ^...^ |
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| 01:55.20 | jebidiah | hi guys |
| 01:55.22 | abrotman | ldexter: buying bricks? |
| 01:55.34 | ldexter | yeah |
| 01:55.37 | jebidiah | I was fiddling with things like compiz, trying to get Xgl installed |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian .. neither is compiz |
| 01:56.04 | ldexter | i'm just really glad the workweek is over |
| 01:56.06 | jebidiah | it didnt work, so I uninstalled everything, but now when I hit ctrl+alt+f1 / f2 it just restarts my X ? |
| 01:56.09 | ldexter | i have to celebrate tonight |
| 01:56.16 | jebidiah | what could be causing that? |
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| 01:56.37 | ldexter | jebidiah: are you using GDM or KDM? |
| 01:56.46 | ldexter | if so, your xserver may be crashing |
| 01:56.54 | ldexter | and GDM / KDM is restarting it |
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| 01:57.00 | clarissa | abrotman: okay put xorg-x11 inside preferences :) |
| 01:57.05 | clarissa | now? ^.^ |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 01:57.28 | rhys | ....my PARISC box is using the internet |
| 01:57.31 | ldexter | try running 'startx' from a console, press ctrl+alt+f1 and see if it crashes and if it outputs anything |
| 01:57.35 | clarissa | the header i mean :) |
| 01:57.37 | rhys | i didnt tell it that it could use the internet |
| 01:57.37 | rhys | :( |
| 01:58.00 | abrotman | yay dhcp! |
| 01:58.04 | clarissa | whats the apt-get install "whats here" for installing xorg-x11 ? |
| 01:58.19 | abrotman | xserver-xorg |
| 01:58.40 | clarissa | some problems wait |
| 01:58.51 | rhys | abrotman...heh. it would be ok, but im on dialup |
| 01:58.59 | rhys | i dunno what it just downloaded |
| 01:59.00 | rhys | but it did |
| 01:59.04 | clarissa | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/8705 |
| 01:59.18 | lunitik | abrotman: actually... just 'xorg' work now... 'x-window-system-core' only depends 'xorg... so yeah... |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | clarissa: apt-get -t sarge-backports xserver-xorg |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | lunitik: in the backports? |
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| 01:59.57 | rhys | what is a backport? |
| 02:00.07 | lunitik | abrotman: hmm... I dunno... |
| 02:00.09 | clarissa | abrotman: you forgot install command *g* |
| 02:00.22 | abrotman | clarissa: i did .. glad you caught it |
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| 02:00.31 | clarissa | abrotman: hihi ^.^ |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | clarissa: erm .. i meant .. it was a test .. yeah .. that's it .. it was a test |
| 02:00.54 | clarissa | OMG experimental version of X.Org packages <--- O.O |
| 02:00.58 | lunitik | abrotman: backports is just etch packages compiled for sarge, correct? |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | lunitik: i don't know if they follow all the metapacakges |
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| 02:02.02 | clarissa | abrotman: standard x-server i choosed now xorg-x11 |
| 02:02.10 | jebidiah | ldexter: kdm |
| 02:02.12 | lunitik | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/x-window-system-core only dep there is xorg too... I don't know about a p.d.o type site for backports though |
| 02:02.17 | RHyS_RHaVeN | damnit |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | lunitik: that's not backports |
| 02:02.43 | clarissa | abrotman: what is now to do? ^^ how to start xorg? |
| 02:02.52 | lunitik | abrotman: hence text after '...' ;) |
| 02:03.05 | abrotman | clarissa: did you install it ? |
| 02:03.18 | clarissa | abrotman: haaai and i choosed standard server xorg-x11 |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:03.41 | clarissa | but i bet it will give problems |
| 02:03.52 | clarissa | no config like inside xfree86 |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | i bet it will too |
| 02:03.57 | clarissa | xD |
| 02:03.59 | clarissa | why? |
| 02:04.09 | abrotman | because .. it wouldn't be fun otherwise |
| 02:04.20 | clarissa | why that? |
| 02:04.21 | lunitik | abrotman: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/x/ no 'x-window-system-core' or 'xserver-xorg'... only what clarissa selected |
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| 02:04.43 | lakcaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.44 | concept10 | I forgot, what is the filename that has the distro version in it? |
| 02:04.49 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.01 | liable | concept10: /etc/debian_version |
| 02:05.08 | lakcaj | sounds like what lunitik said |
| 02:05.09 | lunitik | abrotman: I dunno, its no in the archive anymore by the looks of it |
| 02:05.10 | clarissa | i try now ^^" |
| 02:05.13 | concept10 | liable, thanks |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | lunitik: i just copied the filename from the archive :) |
| 02:05.28 | abrotman | form the backports archive |
| 02:05.31 | lunitik | abrotman: although I've been known to be blind |
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| 02:05.47 | abrotman | they're in alphabetical order |
| 02:05.55 | clarissa | it still runs ? o.o" |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | darn |
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| 02:06.10 | clarissa | abrotman: i restarted x and it runs on xorg directly? |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 02:06.39 | mhall | So, on a box with SMP and dual channel DDR, do you need 2 modules to get dual channel flowing to each CPU or 4 modules? |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | #hardware? |
| 02:06.56 | lunitik | Damnit, most apt archives don't do it like that... why do they have to be different :( |
| 02:06.58 | ldexter | mhall: depends on the MB and CPU |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | mhall: for opteron? |
| 02:07.03 | clarissa | abrotman: i dont think so but i don't have to make new config for xorg? wonder about ^^ |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | it migrates it for you |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | clarissa: make sure you're running xorg |
| 02:07.24 | clarissa | abrotman: how? |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | xdpyinfo | grep version |
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| 02:07.55 | rhys | heh. definitly need to get ntp up and running. tar keeps repeatedly telling me its doing everything 5 years from now. |
| 02:08.00 | clarissa | how can you hold all these commands in your brain @.@ omg |
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| 02:08.08 | abrotman | clarissa: i'm a bot |
| 02:08.08 | lunitik | rhys: aptitude install ntpdate |
| 02:08.17 | clarissa | abrotman: yay :D |
| 02:08.18 | abrotman | rhys: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 02:08.21 | lunitik | rhys: quick and easy package to set up :) |
| 02:08.22 | rhys | lol |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 02:08.25 | dpkg | i heard ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 02:08.29 | rhys | lol! |
| 02:08.31 | lunitik | abrotman: stop echoing me :P |
| 02:08.33 | rhys | seriously |
| 02:08.36 | clarissa | abrotman: version number: 11.0 X.Org 6.9.0 |
| 02:08.38 | rhys | i didnt ask anything |
| 02:08.39 | rhys | :D |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | clarissa: that's a good thing |
| 02:08.55 | clarissa | xorg runs xorg runs hihihi ^.^ |
| 02:08.56 | rhys | i already know how to install NTP. i have to do it for kerberos. |
| 02:09.14 | lunitik | rhys: aptitude install ntpdate is all you need... ignore that factoid |
| 02:09.17 | mhall | abrotman: yes, opteron 246 |
| 02:09.29 | clarissa | cool thing with backport i can be up to date with sarge :D |
| 02:09.42 | rhys | yes lunitk, i know that. :D i first have to run apt-cdrom and put all 14 cds into sources.list |
| 02:09.43 | rhys | :) |
| 02:09.53 | rhys | lunitik and abrotman, the reverends of debian |
| 02:09.58 | lunitik | rhys: why on earth :| |
| 02:10.01 | rhys | all hail the evangelists! |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | mhall: i think the ideal setup is two dimms in each bank |
| 02:10.04 | lunitik | rhys: dialup? |
| 02:10.13 | rhys | lunitik, 30k dialup |
| 02:10.15 | rhys | aye |
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| 02:10.27 | mhall | abrotman: so 4x512 to get 2GB |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | yeah .. i think that's the way it goes .. double check with #hardware though .. or maybe even #debian-amd64 .. but i thikn the amd.com also has a recommended setup |
| 02:10.58 | rhys | dont worry. as soon as i get my next box up, im going to put them into a repository on the network, along with my i386 repo. |
| 02:11.03 | lunitik | rhys: ouch, well Debian sets up a cdrom arch... and I think it tells you what CD automagically... so no need to add them all |
| 02:11.24 | rhys | lunitik , it doesnt know which cds you have. you have to add them all |
| 02:11.34 | rhys | otherwise you cant install something you dont have |
| 02:11.40 | lunitik | rhys: oh... well have fun with that ;) |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | lunitik: i've done it off and on |
| 02:12.05 | rhys | pretty easy actually. ive had alot of errors with cds. so the guy who burned these for me, burned 2 copies of each cd. |
| 02:12.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:12.22 | rhys | im planning to use reprepro and make my own repository of both HPPA and i386 |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | i used testing over dialup for quite a while |
| 02:12.28 | lunitik | abrotman: I'd die... I get ~850kb/s right now from mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
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| 02:12.48 | abrotman | it's not that bad .. you just budget your bandwidth |
| 02:13.25 | rhys | lunitik , i ssh into a server i put in the back of a computer shop in town, with a quarter t1 line.. get it to download all the debian cds, and then every day i happened to be in town, i put one on each of my 1gb flash drives. |
| 02:13.32 | rhys | i have all 14 i386 debian ISOs |
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| 02:13.39 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:14.10 | rhys | and all 14 HPPA debian cds...burnt twice. :D need to make those ISOs |
| 02:14.14 | lunitik | rhys: the box can't be running Debian? I'd set that up as my apt-proxy ... use a VPN instead of the internet for packages :) |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:14.40 | rhys | lunitik , huh? |
| 02:14.42 | rhys | .. |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | you want to make it slower? |
| 02:14.44 | rhys | ?? |
| 02:15.49 | lunitik | abrotman: hmm... actually, going via ssh would be via the dialup... doh |
| 02:15.59 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:16.49 | rhys | i just use SSH to use wget to tell it to download the cds |
| 02:17.01 | rhys | i cant use the server during store hours. so i tell it to wget the file at night. |
| 02:17.02 | clarissa | i have to go back to winblows to use my dvb-t card software ^^" |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | i don't know anything about dvb-t |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | lunitik: there isn't |
| 02:17.36 | clarissa | abrotman: you see :) |
| 02:17.40 | clarissa | and i want to watch tv ^.^ |
| 02:17.40 | rhys | hehe. fook you all. i have a 100mhz 144mb PA-RISC debian server. :D beat that |
| 02:17.44 | rhys | and a 19 inch monitor |
| 02:17.45 | clarissa | see you later and good evening :3 |
| 02:17.55 | rhys | bye bye clarissa |
| 02:17.59 | abrotman | rhys: i have a 486 with 36MB running etch ... and a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:18.10 | clarissa | byyye rhys ^.^ bye abrotman :) |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | bye clarissa |
| 02:18.22 | clarissa | good night all ^.^ |
| 02:18.27 | rhys | but abrotman , this is a BEAST. a HP pizzabox... |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | rhys: i've had an SGI and Sun .. and have alphas at work .. |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | no .. this was an SGI MIPS running IRIX |
| 02:19.45 | rhys | abrotman, is there a comparison for arches? like..what does a 100mhz PA-RISC proccessor compare too? |
| 02:19.53 | lunitik | I've never gotten to play with any cool arch's :( |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | rhys: uhm .. IIRC .. PA-RISC == crap .. no matter what speed :) |
| 02:20.21 | rhys | ... |
| 02:20.22 | rhys | :( |
| 02:20.24 | abrotman | rhys: there are the SPEC results .. that's about all i know of |
| 02:20.53 | rhys | its running debian ok lunitik |
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| 02:21.33 | rhys | plus lunitik , its the only thing i have with SCSI |
| 02:21.33 | lunitik | rhys: if you can plug a monitor into it, it probably runs Debian, doesn't make it a good idea :P |
| 02:21.52 | rhys | lunitik , this is a 19 inch full color monitor. its nice. very very nice |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | bah .. i had a 21" for the Sun :) |
| 02:22.23 | rhys | it will run my tape drive for backups, it can turn into an X server for the rest of my system |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | and a 20" for the SGI .. |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | and a 19" for the HP Netserver |
| 02:22.45 | rhys | hahaha lunitik. it uses componet. 3 BNC terminaled coax cables. |
| 02:23.00 | rhys | you cant plug it in to a normal pc |
| 02:23.55 | rhys | plus the 19 beside it |
| 02:24.21 | rhys | haha |
| 02:24.24 | lunitik | @winamp |
| 02:24.28 | ravenbird | it has been said that winamp is a Win32 Audio player, or available for linux |
| 02:24.42 | rhys | XP professional, volume license agreement from the local school |
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| 02:25.10 | lunitik | rhys: I have an Educational use license... and I don't have XP installed anywhere :/ |
| 02:25.25 | lunitik | rhys: Amarok > * for music anyway |
| 02:25.29 | rhys | lunitik , it works. and when it doesnt work, it doesnt. |
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| 02:25.40 | rhys | but its at least reliable after a fashion |
| 02:25.46 | rhys | im still learning linux. |
| 02:25.49 | rhys | so i cant rely on it |
| 02:26.05 | lunitik | rhys: I don't recommend relying on XP either :P |
| 02:26.14 | rhys | heh |
| 02:26.16 | rhys | neither do it |
| 02:26.17 | rhys | i* |
| 02:26.19 | rhys | but i dont fuck with it |
| 02:26.22 | rhys | and when it gives me BSOD |
| 02:26.24 | rhys | i just reboot |
| 02:26.28 | rhys | and then it works...:\ |
| 02:26.32 | rhys | dooont fook with it. |
| 02:27.02 | rhys | anyway. i havnt gotten gyachE to work yet. and yahoo is the main program i run. i love yahoo. and gyache is the only thing that comes close to it for linux |
| 02:27.17 | rhys | untill i get gyache running without a hiccup, i will stay on windows. |
| 02:27.35 | abrotman | ganache? |
| 02:27.44 | rhys | gyach Enhanced |
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| 02:28.26 | lunitik | rhys: kopete does yahoo video and voice chat... amarok does last.fm ... games.yahoo.com for games... no need for YIM :P |
| 02:28.37 | rhys | and that means i have to get the spca drivers working for my webcam. |
| 02:28.46 | rhys | kopete sends and recieves voice and video? |
| 02:29.01 | lunitik | rhys: once you get said drivers working ;) |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | amarok doesn't do last.fm .. it does audioscrobbler |
| 02:29.20 | rhys | lunitik , last i checked kopete doesnt send video |
| 02:29.28 | rhys | aye. so drivers and such. |
| 02:29.39 | sigma957 | abrotman: audioscrobbler is last.fm |
| 02:29.40 | lunitik | abrotman: idk... I'm listening to last.fm right now via Amarok... but I could be wrong? |
| 02:29.45 | abrotman | sigma957: kind of |
| 02:30.07 | sigma957 | abrotman: it's the plugin to send your choices to last.frm |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | they disabled playing from it though |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | or were supposed to |
| 02:30.28 | rhys | i dont play games. but i want display pic, send and recieve webcam. |
| 02:30.30 | cafuego_ | And basnhee supports it too, without needing kde shite. |
| 02:30.34 | rhys | i cant use audio, since im on bandwith |
| 02:30.36 | lunitik | abrotman: amarok doesn't appear to depend on any audioscrobbler libs either afaict? |
| 02:30.38 | abrotman | banshee even |
| 02:30.47 | cafuego_ | that's the one |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm shocked .. an bloated kde app implemented their own stuff instead of using an existing library .. shocker .. |
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| 02:31.24 | lunitik | cafuego_: kde has supperior apps... and is more configurable... I have 640MB RAM, so I could care less whether its 'bloated' or other negativities people state |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | it's just pure garbage |
| 02:31.58 | rhys | kde blows |
| 02:32.16 | rhys | if i wanted kde i would use windows. i use sharpe shell, so just as configurable, and works without the hassle |
| 02:32.19 | lunitik | abrotman: compared to what? (any answer other than Gnome will avoid a flame here :P ) |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | gnome |
| 02:32.31 | cafuego | lunitik: Um, yeah. |
| 02:32.32 | rhys | :d icewm |
| 02:32.38 | lunitik | rhys: my KDE looks more like OS X actually |
| 02:32.39 | rhys | Windowmaker |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | why not just use the crayolaOS ... |
| 02:32.59 | rhys | lunitik and nothing looks like my SharpE shell |
| 02:33.05 | lunitik | abrotman: hopefully you're kidding... Gnome is more bloated, and offers less as a DM |
| 02:33.07 | rhys | seriously. sharp enhanced |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. i'm not .. |
| 02:33.15 | lunitik | abrotman: also, it has apps that are not configurable |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | lunitik: i don't want configuration .. i want lack of bloat .. and stay out of my way |
| 02:33.38 | rhys | gnome isnt more bloated. gnome just sucks everything |
| 02:33.59 | rhys | it isnt small, and it isnt feature rich, and nautilis is..well. better than konqueror |
| 02:34.07 | lunitik | abrotman: my KDE stays out of my way... doesn't feel bloated at all... and is nicely configured |
| 02:34.21 | lunitik | rhys: actually... Gnome has a larger memory footprint than KDE... |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | last time i tried kde .. it was the same old krap as usual |
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| 02:34.37 | abrotman | my gnome has a 34MB footprint |
| 02:34.44 | lunitik | abrotman: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/screenshot.png |
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| 02:35.06 | abrotman | lunitik: that's just stupid |
| 02:35.22 | abrotman | but not surprising coming from you |
| 02:35.23 | f00li5h | has anyone played with secvpn? it's for ppp over ssh. |
| 02:35.32 | lunitik | abrotman: people say menu's are bloated... I dont' use them much... no one really does... settings menu makes settings easy to find... |
| 02:35.46 | zinx | lunitik: KDE fan, are we? |
| 02:35.51 | lunitik | zinx: yes |
| 02:36.02 | lunitik | abrotman: stupid? why? |
| 02:36.11 | ice_1963 | rhys. what do you run a pentium 2 ? |
| 02:36.35 | liable | !start a dm war |
| 02:36.36 | dpkg | gdm is the one true way! |
| 02:36.42 | liable | duh |
| 02:36.51 | rhys | ice_1963, athlon Barton 2800+ , 512 corsair XMS memory, 5600xt nvidia, and 330wt antec trupower |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:37.09 | rhys | my asus a7n8x-e delux mobo died though. :\ |
| 02:37.18 | rhys | hehe. power actually about 4 years ago |
| 02:37.23 | Supaplex | look at the bright side, there's plenty of wm's to choose from. pick one you like, get in, sit down, shut up and take your ride. :) fwlm has a smaller memory footprint then X/Xorg! |
| 02:37.30 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 02:37.30 | rhys | i built it 3 years ago for a gaming computer. i dont game anymore |
| 02:37.34 | lunitik | abrotman: also... lipstik qt and crystal kwin themes make for a nice look also... |
| 02:37.42 | lunitik | abrotman: have fun w/ Gnome though |
| 02:37.43 | rhys | lunitik .. |
| 02:37.46 | rhys | second |
| 02:37.53 | abrotman | lunitik: i used blackbox for a long time |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | then i got something faster than a 486 :) |
| 02:38.28 | cafuego | abrotman: what? you upgraded? when did this happen? |
| 02:38.30 | lunitik | abrotman: I personally can't stand Gnome... preference... I've tried, I just can't do it... |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman | cafuego: in .. 2002? :) |
| 02:38.47 | lunitik | abrotman: if you used my desktop for a week... you'd find it hard to use anything else too! |
| 02:38.50 | abrotman | lunitik: so don't use it ... it's only for smart people :) |
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| 02:39.06 | abrotman | lunitik: if i used your desktop .. i'd find it hard to eat |
| 02:39.07 | Supaplex | he upgraded to a man on his 22nd birthday |
| 02:39.07 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 02:39.09 | maurycy | anyone know how to find a thinkpad product number, when the label is removed? |
| 02:39.20 | abrotman | maurycy: why would you remove it? |
| 02:39.27 | lunitik | abrotman: its for smart people? umm, they treat users as morons |
| 02:39.37 | cafuego | maurycy: check in the battery compartment or somesuch |
| 02:39.40 | liable | maurycy: not in bios? |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | lunitik: they're smart enough to figure it out .. not be force fed by kde devs |
| 02:40.00 | liable | hrm, i doubt it actually |
| 02:40.00 | lunitik | abrotman: they choose configurations, and make you search a registry to configure most things :/ |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | no |
| 02:40.25 | lunitik | abrotman: KDE devs do things for themselves... not for users they don't understand. |
| 02:40.45 | maurycy | abrotman, i bought a laptop without the label. |
| 02:40.48 | maurycy | liable, not found it. |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | maurycy: you really did? |
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| 02:41.04 | maurycy | abrotman, i really did |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | off a truck? |
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| 02:41.21 | lunitik | abrotman: in turn... said devs are its users... so it tends to make for a good desktop if you can give it a chance |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | aidan!!!!!!!! |
| 02:41.38 | cafuego | eh! use the desktop i use or die! |
| 02:41.40 | Kadran | why update-grub doesn't add my windows installation in the other harddisk, any ideas? |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | lunitik: it's a bloated pile of shit .. really .. it is .. i don't know a single person that has two brain cells and uses it |
| 02:41.54 | lunitik | cafuego: I didn't start it... so there! :P |
| 02:41.57 | cafuego | eh! use the desktop i use or die! |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | yes you did |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | lunitik: you 100% fucking started it |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | "you better not say gnome .. or i'll start a flame war" |
| 02:42.33 | cafuego | I just stated my opinion on an application, you insisted you needed to go ona holy war after that. |
| 02:42.47 | abrotman | <lunitik> abrotman: compared to what? (any answer other than Gnome will avoid a flame here :P ) |
| 02:42.55 | rhys | acutally abrotman |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 02:42.56 | rhys | <abrotman> lunitik: i'm shocked .. an bloated kde app implemented their own stuff instead of using an existing library .. shocker .. |
| 02:42.57 | rhys | trool |
| 02:43.00 | rhys | troll* |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | rhys: no .. that's true .. they always do that |
| 02:43.15 | abrotman | that's not a troll in the slightest |
| 02:43.17 | lunitik | [19:30] <cafuego_> And basnhee supports it too, without needing kde shite. <-- started it |
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| 02:43.23 | rhys | heh. |
| 02:43.24 | rhys | :d |
| 02:43.37 | rhys | abrotman isnt a troll, but you started it talking about amarok and kde like that |
| 02:43.41 | cafuego | lunitik: [12:42] I just stated my opinion on an application, you insisted you needed to go ona holy war after that. |
| 02:43.43 | abrotman | rhys: but it's true |
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| 02:43.50 | lunitik | Before that post, I was just making suggestions |
| 02:43.50 | rhys | lunitik must come to the defence of his big love |
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| 02:43.57 | abrotman | rhys: they constantly write their own libraries instead of using preexisting ones |
| 02:44.11 | rhys | lunitik, dont worry. i come to the defence of my big girls too. |
| 02:44.12 | rhys | :) |
| 02:44.29 | lunitik | rhys: define big :S |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | <KDE-Devs> We don't like it because it's in ruby or C or brainfuck .. it must be in C++ |
| 02:44.51 | rhys | ~ 90 kg? |
| 02:45.02 | rhys | lol |
| 02:45.04 | rhys | not wave pool |
| 02:45.09 | rhys | just big. :) |
| 02:45.12 | lunitik | abrotman: the last.fm method for amarok is written in ruby |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | it was a fucking joke you idiot |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | so fucking dense |
| 02:45.33 | lunitik | abrotman: you failed |
| 02:45.42 | cafuego | But amarok doesn't depend on ruby either, did they hardcode that in as well? |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | you did? |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | ahah |
| 02:46.07 | abrotman | it recommends ruby though |
| 02:46.18 | lunitik | cafuego: apt-cache show amarok | grep Recommends |
| 02:46.19 | cafuego | not kruby? |
| 02:46.43 | lunitik | cafuego: - Last.fm stream playing support (if ruby is installed) |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | i hope someone makes kamarok soon .. i can't stand using amarok |
| 02:47.27 | rhys | i dont like xmms |
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| 02:47.45 | lunitik | abrotman: they're making solid, plasma, phonon etc... but no, no amarok |
| 02:47.49 | lunitik | kamarok* |
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| 02:48.04 | abrotman | bah .. if it doesn't start with a 'K' .. it can't be trusted |
| 02:48.07 | lunitik | cafuego: wine can run itunes |
| 02:48.13 | Kadran | hey guys any help, please |
| 02:48.17 | cafuego | lunitik: I can't run wine. |
| 02:48.19 | lunitik | abrotman: if its not functional, I can't use it |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | but you still use kde .. odd |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | !fearl |
| 02:48.43 | dpkg | from memory, fearl is an old regular from #debian who got on many peoples nerves... the end |
| 02:48.58 | abrotman | Kadran: does it throw any errors? |
| 02:49.19 | lunitik | abrotman: digikam, amarok, kopete, apollon... none of these are functional? |
| 02:49.33 | Kadran | abrotman: no grub can't add my windows installation in the second hd |
| 02:49.47 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm done discussing this with you .. you'll still be using the bloated pile of crap tomorrow .. i can't make you smarter overnight |
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| 02:50.14 | lunitik | abrotman: how about trying till I finish eating? then I'll be going anyways :P |
| 02:50.21 | abrotman | lunitik: shut your piehole |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | Kadran: i can just tell you the entry? :) |
| 02:51.10 | cafuego | Kadran: You need to do that manually. |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | the installer used to do it for you |
| 02:51.44 | lunitik | Too often, when requesting things in Gnome though, you get "no" ... useful things like left click menu's... macos-like bar |
| 02:51.49 | Kadran | abrotman: ok man, i have done it manually but it doesn't work also. |
| 02:51.51 | Thanatermesis | i have a patch for a important bug on the kernel 2.6.15 of etch, how i look if the bug is solved or how/where i send this patch ? |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | Kadran: what's the errror ? |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: you can file a bug on the package and include the patch |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: check the bts for that package .. check archived bug reports too |
| 02:53.14 | cafuego | lunitik: Well, don't use Gnome then. |
| 02:53.22 | cafuego | Nobody is MAKING you. |
| 02:53.37 | lunitik | cafuego: apparently its what the smart people do :/ |
| 02:53.45 | Kadran | abrotman: thanks man i found the solution of it, thanks for you help :) |
| 02:53.47 | cafuego | Much like I don't use *** because nobody is MAKING me use ***. |
| 02:53.55 | mrparanoid | smart people make their own choice |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | cafuego: no .. it's because it sucks :) |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | Kadran: that was fast :) |
| 02:54.20 | lunitik | mrparanoid: my choice got me flamed for the last hour or so |
| 02:54.23 | cafuego | abrotman: If *** sucked and someone MADE me use it, I'd still be using it... |
| 02:54.26 | abrotman | lunitik: try other WMs .. have you tried xfce? or icewm ? |
| 02:54.28 | direkt | abortman: thats a personal opinion |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | dirakx: FACT! ..y ou can't disprove it! |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | cafuego: but you'd fix it! |
| 02:55.13 | cafuego | abrotman: Nah, I've given up on doing that. |
| 02:55.22 | abrotman | lunitik: if you love KDE .. don't change .. if you're not happy .. there are dozens of other WMs |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | and a few other DEs |
| 02:55.40 | mrparanoid | lunitik your the one using it so use what ever you like the most id say |
| 02:55.49 | lunitik | abrotman: icewm - yes, xfce - yes, enlightenment (0.16 and e17) - yes, wmaker - yes.. Open and FluxBox - yes |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | what.. no ratpoison? |
| 02:56.08 | lunitik | None compare to KDE for functionality and (at least perceived) speed |
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| 02:56.21 | lunitik | abrotman: looked into that, didn't like the look of it |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | you think kde is faster than *box ? |
| 02:56.29 | lunitik | abrotman: for loading apps, yes |
| 02:56.36 | abrotman | now i know you're on drugs |
| 02:56.51 | lunitik | abrotman: when using a *box first app for a toolkit has to load all libs... takes forever |
| 02:56.58 | zinx | abrotman: for loading KDE apps. |
| 02:57.08 | zinx | abrotman: because it hasn't already cached the libraries from loading the menu/etc |
| 02:57.08 | lunitik | abrotman: can add to .xsession ... but its still not as fast... |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | zinx: that's like saying IE is faster than FF |
| 02:57.55 | zinx | abrotman: i'm just saying, he doesn't care about logic, he cares about his own perception, so it's not a good idea to argue with him |
| 02:57.57 | lunitik | zinx: no need to load menu... has to load libs though... gor both Gnome and KDE |
| 02:58.00 | lunitik | for* |
| 02:58.06 | cafuego | abrotman: Well, then the OS preloads all but the toolbar at bootup, drawing the initial window is indeed quicker, if you don't count bootup time to begin with. |
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| 02:58.49 | lunitik | cafuego: it takes just as long either way... why not load them off the bat, rather than when you actually want to do something? |
| 02:59.45 | cafuego | lunitik: It's much of a muchness when you boot once a year. |
| 02:59.54 | lunitik | and actually... if you close all Gnome apps on a *box or other none GTK environment, you have to reload the environment _again_ so it doesn't save time... just RAM |
| 03:00.15 | lunitik | cafuego: I logout of KDE about once a year.... |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | you mean it crashes? :) |
| 03:01.05 | abrotman | hell .. on win32 .. if you use the netscape7.2 preload option .. THAT starts faster than FF |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | it's just displaying a window |
| 03:01.26 | cafuego | lunitik: I lof out of KDE a few times a year. Every 6 or so months I give it a try. |
| 03:01.48 | cafuego | Then I get annoyed by the explosion of widgets and wipe it again. |
| 03:02.09 | tictac | wipe is by no means a figure of speech ;) |
| 03:02.25 | zinx | lunitik: uhm, if you close all of them, you generally don't have to fully reload the toolkit/etc unless you do stuff to remove the libraries from cache |
| 03:02.33 | lunitik | cafuego: I used 2.x through 3.2, went to Gnome for 2.4-2.14 ... now back with KDE after giving up on Gnome |
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| 03:04.25 | lunitik | actually... it can't have been 2.4 ... idk... 2.10 seems about right... |
| 03:04.58 | cafuego | nothing is as nice as fvwm used to be |
| 03:05.04 | lunitik | then last gnome I used was technically 2.15.3 also |
| 03:05.08 | zinx | i use fvwm2 |
| 03:05.11 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, not looks on the BTS... where i report the patch ? |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 03:05.32 | dpkg | somebody said reportbug was used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 03:05.40 | lunitik | zinx: one of the first people that helped me on Linux was an fvwm2 devel... 'awol' :) |
| 03:05.47 | lunitik | zinx: tried that too |
| 03:05.59 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... ok |
| 03:06.21 | abrotman | i never used fvwm after i found blackbox |
| 03:06.38 | zinx | no bbproxy |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | erm .. used it again |
| 03:07.09 | lunitik | abrotman: awol tried to get me to try fvwm2 every couple weeks... never really looked into configuring it though |
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| 03:07.27 | rhys | oh everyone... |
| 03:07.32 | rhys | if were still talking about window managers |
| 03:07.34 | rhys | http://www.sharpe-shell.org/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php?show=User%20Screenshots%2FBioHazard.JPG |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | of course .. when you're on a 486 .. your choices are limited |
| 03:07.42 | rhys | that is a sample screenshot from sharpe |
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| 03:08.12 | rhys | http://www.sharpe-shell.org/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php?show=User%20Screenshots%2Fblack_and_sharp.jpg |
| 03:08.15 | zinx | rhys: wow, that looks exactly like something i'd never use. |
| 03:08.16 | rhys | and that is a different one |
| 03:08.17 | rhys | :D |
| 03:08.34 | rhys | zinx, sharpe is a hellva lot better than the standered explorer shell |
| 03:08.47 | abrotman | what is the other shell replacement .. litewm ? |
| 03:09.00 | zinx | i don't believe i'll be using the explorer shell standard or not :/ |
| 03:09.51 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:10.44 | lunitik | brought* |
| 03:11.46 | mrparanoid | any fluxbox fans amongst yous? |
| 03:11.59 | rhys | i wana try fluxbox |
| 03:12.04 | rhys | abrotman litestep |
| 03:12.13 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 03:12.16 | lunitik | That doesn't really count though |
| 03:12.25 | abrotman | mrparanoid: blackbox! |
| 03:12.28 | rhys | lunitik , it is not a "windows theme" you pinheaded prick, its an entire shell. |
| 03:12.36 | rhys | :| |
| 03:12.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:12.40 | zinx | oh, jeez |
| 03:12.51 | rhys | i like sharpe |
| 03:12.53 | mrparanoid | many differences between black and flux abrotman? |
| 03:12.59 | lunitik | rhys: blah... |
| 03:13.14 | lunitik | rhys: still irrelivant in #debian |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | mrparanoid: at one time no .. now .. not so sure anymore |
| 03:13.34 | rhys | we were talking about window managers. |
| 03:13.35 | abrotman | mrparanoid: when blackbox developement stalled .. fluxbox and openbox forked .. |
| 03:13.41 | abrotman | lunitik: it stalled for a while |
| 03:13.48 | deadcat | 160G hatachi for $80-$40=$40 ok? |
| 03:13.53 | mrparanoid | yeah i thought fluxbox took over from blackbox |
| 03:13.53 | rhys | i wana try flux |
| 03:14.00 | deadcat | rhys: then try |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | mrparanoid: it was a fork |
| 03:14.10 | tictac | deadcat: yes. |
| 03:14.13 | deadcat | tictac: k |
| 03:14.29 | deadcat | tictac: i mean like is hitachi quiet and/or better than maxtor? (= |
| 03:14.30 | rhys | deadcat , getting around to it |
| 03:14.31 | mrparanoid | have they taken up development on blackbox again? |
| 03:14.48 | tictac | deadcat: imho it's better. |
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| 03:14.52 | deadcat | rhys: install blackbox openbox fluxbox and try them all |
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| 03:14.53 | rhys | deadcat , in my experience, anything is better than maxtor |
| 03:14.55 | deadcat | tictac: cool. |
| 03:14.56 | tictac | mrparanoid: yes. |
| 03:14.57 | FabParma | how to set the dns for a static eth0 using the terminal (cli) ? |
| 03:15.06 | deadcat | rhys: so true. |
| 03:15.10 | mrparanoid | cool, i might have a look into blackbox this afternoon |
| 03:15.13 | tictac | FabParma: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:15.22 | mrparanoid | got a spare p4 sitting here that i might throw another debian install onto |
| 03:15.29 | FabParma | tictac ; tanks |
| 03:15.34 | rhys | WD is good, but i think seagate does some of the best stuff. their harddrives are padded and have some clever cooling bits put into them. just a little more time it seems deadcat |
| 03:15.35 | deadcat | this is openbox : http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060504_17499.jpg |
| 03:15.36 | tictac | FabParma: np |
| 03:15.54 | abrotman | look at http://xwinman.org |
| 03:16.13 | deadcat | rhys: ok.. i am just too impatient to wait for a seagate deal.. i really want my NSLU2 up and running asap (= |
| 03:16.14 | abrotman | they aren't all there .. but enough |
| 03:16.36 | lunitik | deadcat: am I correct that OpenBox now uses GTK too? |
| 03:16.43 | rhys | deadcat , usually i find the best deal to be the most appealing also. :D |
| 03:16.47 | roberto | Is there a program native to GNU/Linux that browses master server lists for different games? |
| 03:16.57 | deadcat | lunitik: i think it does.. |
| 03:17.01 | zinx | roberto: xqf |
| 03:17.10 | deadcat | rhys: hahaha |
| 03:17.14 | zinx | roberto: which uses quakestat |
| 03:17.31 | deadcat | rhys: except maxtor.. i dont care if that shit is like $10. i still wont buy |
| 03:17.49 | rhys | heh. |
| 03:17.59 | roberto | zinx: So xqf is just the frontend? |
| 03:18.10 | rhys | quantum has some pretty cool stuff. i am using one of there bigfoot 5.25 inch 4gb drives to run a server |
| 03:18.11 | zinx | roberto: a frontend, yeah |
| 03:18.17 | lunitik | deadcat: hmm, it depends glib ... but not gtk... does that count? |
| 03:18.39 | roberto | zinx: Cool, thanks a lot, hope this hits UT2004 and the WON2 network (CS 1.5, etc.) |
| 03:19.59 | deadcat | lunitik: i thought it does require gtk2.... but i dont quite remember though. i just find it better than fluxbox and fits me better |
| 03:20.10 | rhys | anyone know of a good way to export a display to anohter computers display.., but better than just the standered? |
| 03:20.14 | rhys | i was looking at freenx |
| 03:20.21 | rhys | any alternatives? |
| 03:20.24 | zinx | ssh? |
| 03:20.25 | abrotman | !depends openbox |
| 03:20.32 | dpkg | openbox: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libice6, libsm6, libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxinerama1, libxml2 (>= 2.6.23), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 03:21.04 | rhys | zinx, thats just xserver through ssh. freenx compresses it and a few other things |
| 03:21.09 | rhys | i was wondering if there was anything else like that |
| 03:21.19 | zinx | ssh can do compression |
| 03:21.31 | zinx | not protocol-specific, granted |
| 03:21.35 | lunitik | abrotman: like I said... depends glib, but not gtk |
| 03:21.44 | abrotman | glib isn't a GUI thing |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | just to make sure noone is confused |
| 03:21.54 | lunitik | abrotman: I know... |
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| 03:23.31 | lunitik | abrotman: Its certainly part of the GTK Project though... so I'm confused as to how it might be used without GTK ? |
| 03:23.42 | Phrozen_One` | when setting alias they only work for that session right? (ssh) |
| 03:23.42 | abrotman | openbox is .. or glib? |
| 03:23.52 | abrotman | openbox is a fork of blackbox |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | Phrozen_One`: unless you put them in your profile |
| 03:24.41 | lunitik | abrotman: openbox uses glib apparently without gtk... I'm wondering what they might be interested in in GLib? |
| 03:24.42 | zinx | glib's a portable utility library |
| 03:25.02 | abrotman | !info libglib2.0-0 |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | glib has NOTHING to do with GUIs |
| 03:25.08 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.10.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 482 kB, Installed size: 1001 kB |
| 03:25.10 | zinx | it doesn't really have anything to do with gtk/gnome/whatever |
| 03:25.12 | lunitik | zinx: providing what (other than 'portability') |
| 03:25.32 | abrotman | well .. nothing is strong .. but it's not related to a toolkit |
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| 03:25.42 | zinx | it has things like linked lists, hash tables, some memory allocation stuff, functions for portability (snprintf equivilant, for example), unicode functions, and so on |
| 03:25.54 | zinx | so, like i said |
| 03:26.04 | zinx | it's a portable utility library :P |
| 03:26.06 | abrotman | lunitik: it has C routines for gnome-ish stuff .. but anyhting could use them |
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| 03:26.17 | abrotman | GLib is a library containing many useful C routines for things such as trees, hashes, lists, and strings. It is a useful general-purpose C library used by projects such as GTK+, GIMP, and GNOME. |
| 03:26.43 | abrotman | lunitik: make sense ? |
| 03:27.15 | lunitik | Sorry |
| 03:27.23 | Phrozen_One` | abrotman, /root/.profile (for root user) ? |
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| 03:27.37 | abrotman | whatever the profile file is .. ls -a |
| 03:27.48 | Phrozen_One` | huh? |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | it could be .profile or .bash_profile |
| 03:29.09 | Phrozen_One` | okay, .profile looks more like code then a simple config file or script |
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| 03:31.00 | lunitik | Phrozen_One`: it contains a bash script pertaining to environment settings.... go figure |
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| 03:34.36 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:34.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:39.16 | Thanatermesis | why "glxinfo" is not more on xorg 7 ? |
| 03:39.42 | abrotman | it's there .. mesa-utils or something |
| 03:39.48 | abrotman | !find glxinfo sid |
| 03:39.51 | zinx | Thanatermesis: get mesa-utils |
| 03:39.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'glxinfo' returned no results. |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | bah ... stupid file location things are all messed up |
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| 03:40.54 | Thanatermesis | thanks a lot zinx, just what i have needed :)... maybe do you know why "apt-file" don't looks to download anything ? |
| 03:41.28 | Thanatermesis | dpkg, apt-file |
| 03:41.29 | dpkg | from memory, apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 03:41.44 | zinx | it doesn't give progress while it downloads |
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| 03:53.49 | Dabian | I thought there was a domain for him once. |
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| 04:08.40 | tkup | is there any free tripwire equivalent software? |
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| 04:09.04 | dondelelcaro | tkup: what, like tripwire? |
| 04:09.14 | sussudio | ... |
| 04:09.21 | tkup | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 04:09.26 | sussudio | tkup on #debian #ubuntu +#cisco |
| 04:09.30 | dondelelcaro | !info tripwire |
| 04:09.30 | sussudio | tripwire isn't in ubuntu then? |
| 04:09.37 | dpkg | tripwire: (file and directory integrity checker), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.3.1.2.0-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1688 kB, Installed size: 4416 kB |
| 04:09.43 | dondelelcaro | ... |
| 04:10.33 | tkup | can any of you read English? |
| 04:11.09 | dondelelcaro | I belive that's what we're doing... |
| 04:12.42 | zinx | tkup: perhaps you're being too vague |
| 04:12.55 | zinx | if you're not getting the answer you're looking for |
| 04:14.13 | tkup | zinx, why didn't you ask for clarifications if I were too vague? what's so confusing about my question? |
| 04:14.15 | dondelelcaro | esp. since tripwire is a free tripwire equivalent... |
| 04:14.58 | zinx | tkup: we're confused because the answer given was apparently not the answer wanted, even though that wasn't explicitly said |
| 04:15.25 | dondelelcaro | tkup: you asked for a tripwire equivalent. Tripwire is free, and it's equivalent. If you want something else, then you'll have to explain why tripwire isn't what you want. |
| 04:15.33 | tkup | am I in #debian? I thought you all here are the most likely to read "free" in its actual meaning :) |
| 04:15.33 | zinx | tkup: without knowing what was wrong with the answer given, there's not a good way to ask for clarification, other than suggesting that you might be being a bit too vague |
| 04:16.17 | dondelelcaro | tkup: uh... tripwire is in main? Therefore it's Free? |
| 04:16.21 | zinx | tkup: it's not in non-free, so it passes DFSG standards... |
| 04:17.27 | concept10 | i want to make a deb of apache 2.2 from source, will checkinstall handle this? |
| 04:17.33 | dondelelcaro | concept10: no. |
| 04:17.48 | dondelelcaro | concept10: use the apache2 packages, and use uupdate or similar to update the packages to the new source, then build it. |
| 04:17.50 | aredhel | tkup, there is also aide and systraq |
| 04:18.04 | tkup | aredhel, I just found out about bsign too. thanks |
| 04:18.26 | dondelelcaro | concept10: alternatively, join the apache2 pkg group on alioth and help with the development of the 2.2 packages. |
| 04:19.10 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, thatnks. was that uupdate? |
| 04:20.09 | dondelelcaro | concept10: yes; it's a tool used to update a debian package to a new upstream source easily. |
| 04:20.32 | dondelelcaro | concept10: you may have to do some tweaking to get it to build since apache isn't exactly a trivial package... but it'll at least get you on the right path. |
| 04:20.49 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, , okay, ill look it up |
| 04:21.57 | peterS | it'd be nice if _someone_ could help them get apache 2.2 out the door. based on comments a few months ago I figured we'd have it by March or so |
| 04:22.39 | dondelelcaro | concept10: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-apache/trunk/apache2/?rev=0&sc=0 may also be useful. |
| 04:22.57 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... hopefully concept10 will become a willing slave^Wvolunteer |
| 04:23.20 | concept10 | heh |
| 04:23.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, as soon as dapper is out the door, maybe the other maintainters will have a bit more time. oh wait ... that happened already (: |
| 04:23.28 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 04:23.45 | concept10 | dapper doesnt have 2.2 either |
| 04:24.17 | peterS | concept10: the existing apache2 maintainers are also canonical dudes, so they were busy with dapper in the couple months before that was released |
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| 04:24.35 | peterS | that was the excuse at the time for not giving us apache 2.2 (: |
| 04:25.10 | concept10 | peterS, yeah, i just saw that on alioth |
| 04:25.41 | rhys | does anyone use extra displays remotely/ |
| 04:25.41 | rhys | ? |
| 04:25.50 | rhys | like, i know how x sets up. |
| 04:25.51 | rhys | wait |
| 04:25.51 | rhys | nvm |
| 04:25.53 | rhys | google first |
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| 04:37.41 | FabParma | how to crete a new user account using the console? |
| 04:37.48 | sneex | useradd |
| 04:37.55 | peterS | nah use adduser |
| 04:37.59 | peterS | adduser is friendlier |
| 04:38.31 | FabParma | adduser? |
| 04:38.37 | peterS | adduser. |
| 04:38.48 | FabParma | ok, thanks |
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| 04:42.28 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 04:42.33 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.4, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc1, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-rc2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.17-mm6 |
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| 04:50.28 | elbixio | hi everybody. is it possible to change "some" users default language? i tried modifying locales but it changes all users languages. |
| 04:50.56 | peterS | elbixio: set the LANG or LC_* variables in your own shell startup scripts, or ~/.xsession for GUI logins |
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| 04:52.38 | elbixio | peterS, would that work if i'm using gnome? |
| 04:52.50 | peterS | elbixio: if you run 'gnome-session' also in your ~/.xsession, it should |
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| 04:58.47 | tnks | On the console (not X), I noticed that the caps lock doesn't work for my "c" and "e" keys. I looked at dumpkeys' output and it showed a peculiar binding for these keys relative to the simple bind other letters have. |
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| 04:59.09 | tnks | Is there a reason for this odd default setup? |
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| 05:00.18 | paol0 | hello guys i am turning back at home now after 5-6 hours of job not paid again |
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| 05:01.12 | paol0 | possibly in september i became member of a foundation |
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| 05:01.42 | paol0 | and my contribute is for hardware |
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| 05:02.31 | paol0 | for gnu/linux on x86, sparc, sparc64, alpha, powerpc |
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| 05:03.05 | paol0 | and for this one i will pay |
| 05:04.13 | paol0 | and too work on the net that in italy we are doing all based on wifi |
| 05:04.46 | paol0 | bridging from access points |
| 05:05.17 | paol0 | antennas, cables, .... |
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| 05:12.28 | tnks | sorry everyone. I asked a question about caps-lock not working in the console... X died on me before I could check for responses. |
| 05:12.48 | tnks | If someone did say anything would you might reposting? |
| 05:17.18 | Thanatermesis | where is actually libXcursor.la on ETCH ? (f**** apt-file messed) |
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| 05:20.50 | peterS | Thanatermesis: who needs .la files anyway? I suppose you mean the development package. try 'apt-cache search xcursor dev' |
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| 05:21.50 | Thanatermesis | peterS, i need it for build a package to requires it... well... aparently this file has dissapear :/ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354674 |
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| 05:22.30 | peterS | Thanatermesis: anything that _requires_ .la files is broken. they don't do much of anything useful on the Debian platform. |
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| 05:25.42 | Thanatermesis | well... im trying to compile a source code to actually not is on debian... we want also to compile things without problem on debian :D no only use ONLY debian packages... |
| 05:25.44 | mebsd | do i use pppoeconf to connect pppoe? |
| 05:25.56 | mebsd | i'm wondering, where does pppoeconf script store pppoe information? |
| 05:27.13 | peterS | mebsd: I think in /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-something |
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| 05:27.42 | [TACO] | oh no, that peterS guy is here too |
| 05:27.50 | peterS | Thanatermesis: I still say anything that requires an .la file is broken. .la files don't do anything very useful on the Debian platform. |
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| 05:30.32 | ru | I am trying to run Xgl but im getting a whole lot of weird errors |
| 05:30.53 | ru | they seem to be associated with fonts - could not open default font |
| 05:31.06 | ru | refcount is 2 etc.. |
| 05:31.08 | ru | any ideas? |
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| 05:33.50 | Thanatermesis | peterS, yes but... what i need to make then if this source code requires this file and i want to compile and install it on my debian ? |
| 05:34.16 | peterS | Thanatermesis: do you understand how source code can 'require' this file? the point is, it shouldn't. |
| 05:36.02 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... sorry for my english, is a little poor... do you mean to i can posible to build *any* (on my case THIS) source code without need this .la file but only all the rest ? |
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| 05:40.56 | peterS | Thanatermesis: I'm saying, if you develop software that specifically looks for a .la file and refuses to compile without one being available, you should fix that, because it is not necessary and most software is not that way |
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| 05:45.43 | Thanatermesis | well... im not develop... i don't have knowledgements of C, i don't think to i can fix this source code :/ |
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| 06:21.08 | syntaxx | i downloaded ddclient and configure it what interface should i use if im on a router? i used eth0 it gives me private ip |
| 06:21.53 | stoned | syntaxx, what is ddclient? |
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| 06:22.08 | wols_ | dyndns client I'd think |
| 06:22.32 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:22.34 | wols_ | you can't use an interface when you only get non routable IPs |
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| 06:22.50 | stoned | syntaxx, does your router not support dyndns? |
| 06:22.54 | wols_ | some clients have support for whatismyip.com or some other website. look for one of those |
| 06:23.18 | stoned | mine didn't, I had to use a custom opensource firmware |
| 06:23.28 | stoned | which gave me the option of dyndns.com |
| 06:24.06 | bmead | I have reinstalled debian 3.1r2 3 times and at some point in the installation the cupss daemon quits working and I haven't found any way to get it to load again. The /var/log/error_log has no mention of an error either. I looked in the wiki and it has nothing covering this kind of problem. Any Ideas? |
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| 06:24.51 | wols_ | look in /var/log/syslog. I don't have a /var/log error here |
| 06:25.04 | syntaxx | stoned, yea |
| 06:25.49 | wols_ | also, simply deleting and purging cups would have worked too. reinstalling the whol OS is a bit... excessive |
| 06:26.34 | bmead | syslog says cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting! |
| 06:27.22 | bmead | Which debian package reinstalls the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf file? |
| 06:29.36 | bmead | wols how do I "purge" cups dpkg -r cupsys? and delete the /etc/cups directory? |
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| 06:31.56 | bmead | I already tried apt-get --reinstall install cupsys cupsys-client cupsys-bsd |
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| 06:36.06 | bmead | wols what did you mean by "deleteing and purging" cups (specifically which packages to delete and reinstall, and what files to delete in the purging process? |
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| 06:37.45 | bmead | Oh well I guess I am going to have to reinstall the whole OS a 4th time! |
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| 06:39.04 | stoned | bmead, apt-get --purge remove cupsys* |
| 06:39.15 | bmead | Thanks |
| 06:39.21 | stoned | sure |
| 06:40.00 | chaoticflaws | apt-get install brain |
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| 06:40.22 | chaoticflaws | ./brian <insert user> |
| 06:40.31 | chaoticflaws | ooo |
| 06:40.42 | chaoticflaws | burnon myself......brain.....not brian |
| 06:40.43 | chaoticflaws | lol |
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| 06:55.38 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:55.39 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
| 06:56.37 | streuner | heh |
| 06:56.52 | streuner | nothing unusual :-) |
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| 07:08.08 | stoned | whatever happened to that Guerin fella, he has not been around in over a year |
| 07:08.18 | stoned | !seen Guerin |
| 07:08.18 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 1d 19h 36m 55s, last said: 'i bet it's just one of the gnome subsystems named after animals which has died'. |
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| 07:09.04 | stoned | well, I have not seen him alive in here in about a year |
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| 07:11.11 | liable | stoned: he was on holiday, hes been around in the last couple o days |
| 07:11.24 | stoned | word |
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| 07:11.46 | stoned | damn long holiday though |
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| 07:16.36 | liable | how do you make cvs delete old files no longer in a repo? |
| 07:17.18 | dabreegster | liable: I'm pretty sure cvs is kind of deprecated these days. subversion is much more recent. |
| 07:18.34 | liable | can i use subversion to get stuff from a cvs repo? |
| 07:18.42 | dondelelcaro | liable: no |
| 07:18.48 | dondelelcaro | liable: you need cvs to do that. |
| 07:18.53 | stoned | man, I am running my X at a whopping -dpi 132. Is this insane? |
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| 07:19.11 | liable | right, then subversion doesnt really help in my case.. |
| 07:19.13 | stoned | most people run 72 or 96 or max 100 |
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| 07:19.39 | dondelelcaro | liable: and you want cvs remove... but it's really sucky. |
| 07:19.41 | stoned | hell, even 132 looks small, but 150 is way too huge. I'll try like 136 and then 140 and increments of 4 I guess |
| 07:20.02 | dondelelcaro | liable: cvs help; will clue you in in the future... |
| 07:20.45 | liable | dondelelcaro: hrm, ta |
| 07:21.03 | sortadi | hi there |
| 07:21.24 | sortadi | are there any news related to xorg 7 and i810 driver in Debian Etch? |
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| 07:21.41 | sortadi | i've lost graphics acceleration |
| 07:22.05 | sortadi | this happened a month ago and i have upgraded the system and still nothing |
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| 07:22.20 | sortadi | and the workarounds included on debian wiki do not work for me |
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| 07:24.17 | Gnea | hey, i've got this dell/adaptec perc2 aac-364 scsi raid card, but i can't find J3 (the jumper) on it and dell and adaptec's sites don't have any info on it and they didn't have a manual, has anyone here ever used one of these things? |
| 07:24.32 | Gnea | i just need to get the jumper in the right place so i can boot debian on it |
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| 07:25.53 | shogunx | Gnea it might be something you need to hand jumper... like no pins protruding. |
| 07:26.16 | shogunx | just guessing |
| 07:26.41 | Gnea | shogunx: yeah. i found J3, it 'says' J3 on the edge of it next to the pins for the external connections on the board itself, but there's nothing there |
| 07:27.05 | shogunx | are there any empty solder points? |
| 07:27.11 | Gnea | not near it |
| 07:27.16 | shogunx | hmm |
| 07:27.23 | Gnea | i can take a picture |
| 07:27.28 | shogunx | ok |
| 07:27.32 | shogunx | i'll take a look |
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| 07:32.01 | stoned | Gnea, whats up |
| 07:32.11 | wireddd | gnea, i'll have a look as well |
| 07:32.57 | Gnea | getting the pix up now |
| 07:34.31 | wireddd | this must be a huge picture... |
| 07:34.45 | Gnea | no, i just had to find the right one, i took several |
| 07:35.18 | Gnea | but yeah, it's about 1.1meg |
| 07:35.23 | Gnea | jpeg |
| 07:35.53 | Gnea | http://www.swiftslayer.org/~gnea/pix/100_1045.jpg |
| 07:36.00 | wireddd | I have got to build something to keep all of my computers quiet |
| 07:36.21 | Gnea | cases? :) |
| 07:37.00 | wireddd | they are in cases |
| 07:37.24 | Gnea | better fans? largers hard drives? |
| 07:37.28 | Gnea | -s |
| 07:37.51 | Gnea | man, this card is fuckin' huge... 64bit too |
| 07:38.31 | Gnea | it's so huge, it's got it's own CPU and RAM ;) |
| 07:39.00 | Gnea | StrongARM RISC microprocessor (233 MHz) |
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| 07:40.18 | Gnea | SCSI Ultra2, Ultra, Fast and Wide, RAID 0, 1, 0/1, and 5, 4 channels (4 external and two internal connectors), Up to 60 devices per controller (15 per channel), Supports RAID array as boot device |
| 07:41.01 | wireddd | thats a beast of a card all right |
| 07:41.15 | Gnea | and somehow, i got it to fit in the case |
| 07:41.34 | wireddd | do you have 60 drives hooked up to it? |
| 07:41.39 | Gnea | lol no |
| 07:41.48 | wireddd | well thats a shame |
| 07:41.54 | Gnea | not yet anyway |
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| 07:42.17 | wireddd | are you sure you need j3? |
| 07:42.35 | Gnea | yes, it won't let me get into the bios without it |
| 07:43.22 | Gnea | it skips ctrl-A and goes right to the error message about it, says 'press any key to continue' |
| 07:43.29 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:43.36 | Gnea | maybe i need to hook a device up to it |
| 07:43.44 | wireddd | Gnea, yeah you do |
| 07:43.48 | wireddd | lol |
| 07:43.50 | Gnea | cool |
| 07:43.52 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:47.24 | stoned | man |
| 07:47.55 | stoned | it is so much easier to backport sun-java5-jre than it is to go to sun's website and downlaod the package, and then all that hoopla |
| 07:47.57 | Gnea | ? |
| 07:48.02 | stoned | backporting is so freaking easy |
| 07:48.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:48.12 | stoned | and works well |
| 07:48.24 | stoned | Gnea, where you been man? |
| 07:48.27 | Gnea | backporting is the best thing to happen to debian |
| 07:48.31 | Gnea | stoned: busy |
| 07:48.35 | stoned | obviously |
| 07:48.54 | stoned | Gnea, I'll be working for Dell soon enough |
| 07:49.07 | Gnea | nice |
| 07:49.19 | Gnea | maybe you can get me a manual for this beast lol |
| 07:49.50 | wireddd | get them to offer debian preinstalled on their home machines! |
| 07:50.05 | [TACO] | haha |
| 07:50.14 | Gnea | that'd be interesting |
| 07:50.16 | [TACO] | yeah, with a working *dm |
| 07:50.46 | stoned | lol |
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| 07:51.17 | wireddd | If the tiny local pc store can do it, then dell should be able to as well... |
| 07:51.50 | stoned | dell is about making money, not about user satisfaction |
| 07:52.01 | stoned | I care less eitherway, it will be a stable paycheck. Thats pretty much all I care for |
| 07:52.18 | wireddd | yeah thats true |
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| 08:06.43 | Gnea | ok |
| 08:07.01 | Gnea | wireddd: i found the real jumper, it's on the other half of the card |
| 08:07.07 | Gnea | and it is already installed |
| 08:07.44 | Gnea | oh shit, the battery is fucked |
| 08:07.50 | Gnea | there's crap leaking from the side |
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| 08:08.19 | Gnea | oh that's terrific. |
| 08:08.36 | stoned | lol |
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| 08:09.04 | Gnea | at least i found the problem |
| 08:09.30 | shogunx | indeed |
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| 08:09.46 | shogunx | is the battery slotted? |
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| 08:09.56 | shogunx | like. easily replaceable? |
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| 08:12.54 | Gnea | shogunx: that's what i'm trying to determine |
| 08:13.09 | Gnea | http://www.techexcess.net/adaptec-dell-perc-ii-raid-controller-card-with-128mb-cache-aac-364.aspx <-- this is what it is |
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| 08:20.21 | Gnea | oh man, these are just plain NASTY! this person better respond fast... |
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| 08:21.34 | aSmig | is there a Sarge basedebs.tgz ? |
| 08:24.09 | Gnea | fuck, these are soldered on... |
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| 08:24.53 | mohkohn | Hello. I installed etch at home last night while not connected to a network. I am now in an internet cafe. I can get on using my knoppix live cd. but |
| 08:25.07 | mohkohn | with my debian system I can't connect. |
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| 08:25.44 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 08:25.45 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 08:25.52 | Gnea | mohkohn: you need to setup networking |
| 08:26.05 | mohkohn | Tried copying the /etc/network/interfaces from knoppix across |
| 08:26.16 | mohkohn | but that did not work |
| 08:26.47 | syntaxx | how can i fix this /usr/lib/courier/authlib/authvchkpw: No such file or directory when i try to login to imap? |
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| 08:27.38 | Gnea | mohkohn: no no, do not mix knoppix and debian. |
| 08:27.44 | Gnea | mohkohn: you need to configure it properly. |
| 08:27.48 | mohkohn | I am not mixing them |
| 08:27.48 | Gnea | !tell mohkohn about interfaces |
| 08:27.56 | Gnea | by copying the file, you are mixing them. |
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| 08:29.04 | Gnea | mohkohn: can you paste the output of your current /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:29.06 | Gnea | !paster |
| 08:29.06 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 08:29.42 | knight3 | hello how does one change where apt-get looks for packages mines set to cd i wish to recongiure it so i can select the http sources |
| 08:30.11 | Maulkin | knight3: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:30.24 | knight3 | yea but how do i run the setup thing like during the install |
| 08:30.29 | mohkohn | iface eth0 inet static |
| 08:30.30 | mohkohn | address 192.168.0.177 |
| 08:30.30 | mohkohn | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:30.40 | Gnea | mohkohn: please, read and use the website. |
| 08:30.42 | Gnea | !tell mohkohn about paster |
| 08:30.56 | knight3 | a guy at my work put some command in that re-ran the apt part of the install |
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| 08:31.49 | Gnea | knight3: apt-setup? |
| 08:32.10 | knight3 | hoohah thats the one thanks mate |
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| 08:32.44 | Gnea | :) |
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| 08:33.54 | ivan` | heh - i finally figured out how to get sshd to read my new config: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1081 |
| 08:34.17 | ivan` | it's just too generous in keeping non-existant connections open |
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| 08:35.57 | stoned | man, its 3:30 am I should go to bed |
| 08:36.02 | stoned | Im drunker than shit |
| 08:36.54 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:36.57 | stoned | now? |
| 08:37.00 | stoned | holy jeez man |
| 08:37.02 | stoned | lol |
| 08:37.13 | Gnea | not getting plastered tho, gotta work in the morning |
| 08:37.17 | aSmig | so, is there a basedebs.tgz for Sarge? |
| 08:37.24 | mohkohn | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3088 My Network Interfaces |
| 08:37.25 | stoned | man it _is_ morning lol |
| 08:37.31 | mohkohn | Gnea, |
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| 08:38.02 | Gnea | mohkohn: ok, it's setting a static ip, so of course it's not gonna work. you need to tell it to use dhcp |
| 08:38.18 | mohkohn | It is a static ip |
| 08:38.30 | mohkohn | or i would not be talking to you right now |
| 08:38.32 | Gnea | that's what i just said. |
| 08:38.38 | stoned | I set my router to dhcp + static addressing based on MAC |
| 08:38.48 | Gnea | but internet cafe uses dhcp, doesn't it? |
| 08:38.49 | stoned | much easier, only takes a minute to setup |
| 08:39.00 | mohkohn | not this one |
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| 08:39.19 | Gnea | then you need to follow their instructions |
| 08:39.20 | mohkohn | Normally they do. In Sudan they do weird thing. |
| 08:39.21 | aSmig | mohkohn, when you boot Debian, try ifconfig -a and see if you even have a network interface to configure. If not, you need to load a kernel module for your interface. |
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| 08:40.01 | mohkohn | aSmig, I did mii-tool it told me I had a eth0 and it was ok |
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| 08:41.05 | mohkohn | Plus an ifconfig showed the network |
| 08:41.12 | mohkohn | and loopback |
| 08:41.45 | aSmig | mohkohn, in the output from ifconfig, was the IP, netmask, etc right? |
| 08:42.22 | mohkohn | Looked right to me. |
| 08:42.32 | aSmig | try pinging the gateway? |
| 08:42.40 | mohkohn | I am chrooted into my debian system |
| 08:43.07 | aSmig | that won't be quite the same |
| 08:43.11 | mohkohn | Is there something I can try from here without rebooting into debian |
| 08:43.21 | mohkohn | Yep could ping the gateway |
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| 08:43.49 | aSmig | oh, I bet you forgot resolv.conf |
| 08:43.50 | mohkohn | but ping www.yahoo.com...nothing |
| 08:43.59 | mohkohn | That may be it |
| 08:44.07 | aSmig | take a look at /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:44.25 | aSmig | you need to specify name servers there when you do static IP configuration |
| 08:44.44 | blondie | aSmig: yes |
| 08:44.53 | mohkohn | aSmig, |
| 08:44.53 | blondie | oh |
| 08:44.55 | aSmig | blondie, where? |
| 08:44.56 | blondie | never mind |
| 08:45.03 | aSmig | aww :\ |
| 08:45.06 | blondie | aSmig: sorry I thought that was a question |
| 08:45.10 | mohkohn | I think that was it. 198 instead of 192 on nameserver. |
| 08:45.48 | deconvolution | hi, I want to add an apt source to my list, it provides a GPG key but how can I add it? |
| 08:45.49 | aSmig | mohkohn, last thing to verify is your routing.. make sure there is a default route pointing at your gateway |
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| 08:46.08 | Maulkin | deconvolution: See the topic |
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| 08:47.02 | mohkohn | aSmig, I am staring blankly at your last statement. What file do I look at? |
| 08:48.21 | [TACO] | mohkohn: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:48.40 | aSmig | mohkohn, the routing table lives in the kernel. you can look it over with route -n |
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| 08:50.12 | mohkohn | aSmig, [TACO] /proc/net/route: No such file or directory |
| 08:50.21 | mohkohn | That seems problematic |
| 08:50.37 | aSmig | mohkohn, you want the last line to specify a destination of 0.0.0.0 with genmask 0.0.0.0 (this is the default route) and an appropriate gateway |
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| 08:50.48 | [TACO] | mohkohn: that from cat? |
| 08:50.53 | kikinovak | Hi. I want to know what platform a certain website is running on, but I forgot how to find that out. |
| 08:50.54 | aSmig | mohkohn, oh. you haven't mounted proc in your chroot.. but don't bother with that |
| 08:51.00 | mha13 | why do i add a "*" before varible in c programs ? example char *name = "Jhon"; |
| 08:51.09 | mohkohn | yep. in the chroot |
| 08:51.26 | [TACO] | mha13: pointer |
| 08:51.51 | [TACO] | http://home.netcom.com/~tjensen/ptr/ch1x.htm |
| 08:51.53 | [TACO] | thats for mha13 |
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| 08:52.24 | cahoot | kikinovak: http://news.netcraft.com/ ? |
| 08:52.31 | aSmig | mohkohn, it will only tell you what the Knopix kernel is doing and won't help find problems with your Debian setup. you will have to reboot before looking at that. but the resolv.conf fix should take care of your problem |
| 08:52.32 | deconvolution | Maulkin: i dont get it, I only get a gpg key 71409CDF, and man apt-key doesnt provide enough info |
| 08:52.33 | kikinovak | cahoot, thanks |
| 08:52.44 | mha13 | [TACO]:so if i write " int add(int a, int b, int *sum) { *sum = a + b; return a - b; } " *sum is a pointer to a+b ? |
| 08:53.00 | Maulkin | !apt-key 71409CDF |
| 08:53.01 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 71409CDF ; gpg --export 71409CDF | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 08:53.08 | Maulkin | deconvolution: ^^ |
| 08:53.09 | mohkohn | I'll give it a reboot into debian. Hopefully I will be back to say thanks..in debian |
| 08:53.11 | [TACO] | no |
| 08:53.18 | azeem | mha13: please ask general programming question elsewhere |
| 08:53.26 | wols | mha13: ##C |
| 08:53.29 | [TACO] | azeem is right, PM me |
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| 08:53.29 | [TACO] | not the channel |
| 08:53.30 | syntaxx | how can i fix this /usr/lib/courier/authlib/authvchkpw: No such file or directory when i try to login to imap? |
| 08:54.09 | [TACO] | azeem: you rock, always popping your head out :P |
| 08:54.22 | [TACO] | azeem: like a crouching tiger, hidden police :P |
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| 08:57.07 | perlmonkey | 222.0.0.0/16 <-- is this valid format if i want to say, every IP address in the block that starts 222. ? |
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| 08:58.22 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 08:58.41 | [TACO] | aSmig: I don't think I got a direct answer from him at all :P |
| 08:58.48 | blondie | perlmonkey: /8 I think |
| 08:59.00 | blondie | 222.0.0.0/8 |
| 08:59.22 | cahoot | perlmonkey: look at ipcalc |
| 09:00.27 | aSmig | syntaxx, you might find more info in the config file for your authentication daemon that is using authvchkpw. try grep authvchkpw /etc/courier/* |
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| 09:01.12 | perlmonkey | sorry |
| 09:01.15 | perlmonkey | thanks blondie |
| 09:01.23 | aSmig | perlmonkey, 222.0.0.0/16 would be 222.0.0.0 - 222.0.255.255 |
| 09:01.30 | TARZEAU | abrotman!!! |
| 09:01.33 | perlmonkey | aha |
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| 09:03.12 | TARZEAU | knt: ana! |
| 09:04.11 | mha13 | 10x ppl |
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| 09:06.31 | littleball | hello, i need to have a shell program to run when the system is boot up. how to do? |
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| 09:08.11 | evaded | How can i do to compile somethings with another gcc version? |
| 09:08.28 | TARZEAU | LOL |
| 09:08.33 | TARZEAU | www.ri-li.org BEST GAME EVER!!!! |
| 09:08.35 | mha13 | littleball : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 09:08.38 | TARZEAU | FUUUUUUUN |
| 09:08.49 | f00li5h | littleball: stick it in /etc/init.d/ and sumlink it under /etc/rc.d/ |
| 09:08.59 | f00li5h | s/u/y/ |
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| 09:14.52 | wireddd | is there a package for the atmel wlan driver for sarge somewhere? |
| 09:15.18 | evaded | How it come that gcc are not backwards compatible? |
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| 09:16.34 | azeem | evaded: that's a very broad question, you should be much more specific if you expect an answer |
| 09:17.35 | Gnea | wireddd: atmel-firmware? |
| 09:17.39 | evaded | azeem: My vmware now need an older one, when i was running it on Sarge, i got not the trouble, now on Etch he tell me that i use an newer gcc version and he want to use an older one |
| 09:17.54 | wireddd | Gnea, that isn't the driver is it? |
| 09:18.12 | azeem | evaded: that looks like a vmware problem to me |
| 09:18.18 | Gnea | Description: Firmware for Atmel at76c50x wireless networking chips. |
| 09:18.27 | Gnea | wireddd: looks like it's loaded somehow |
| 09:18.27 | evaded | wireddd: There are also the package 'at76c503a-source', i not know about the subject |
| 09:18.39 | azeem | evaded: you should compile the kernel and any additional 3rd party modules with the same compiler |
| 09:19.01 | Gnea | wireddd: there's at76c503a-source for usb wlan cards |
| 09:19.19 | evaded | azeem: To tell you, i not know what i need to do :-/ |
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| 09:19.34 | azeem | evaded: install the version of gcc vmware wants |
| 09:20.17 | Gnea | this is such a FUCK... i can't find these batteries anywhere |
| 09:20.28 | evaded | azeem: He want the 4.0.4 and i have only the 4.0.3 on Etch |
| 09:20.40 | azeem | evaded: now that is stupid |
| 09:20.53 | perlmonkey | Gnea re-trace your steps, where did you last see the batteries |
| 09:21.03 | azeem | evaded: but certainly not a problem with gcc |
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| 09:21.27 | azeem | evaded: I suggest you ask vmware support on what to do |
| 09:21.32 | Gnea | perlmonkey: they're sitting right in front of me. they are a pair of adaptec PN 14698's. oh yeah, they have acid leaking from them. |
| 09:21.35 | evaded | azeem: I have mixted here above :-/ He tell me that my kernel is build with 3.0.3 and that i now want to use 3.0.4 :-/ |
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| 09:22.18 | perlmonkey | Gnea: eeek be careful that stuff can burn your skin badly |
| 09:22.25 | Gnea | perlmonkey: and they're soldered on. |
| 09:22.51 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 09:22.51 | Gnea | it's sitting safely |
| 09:22.51 | Gnea | yeah. |
| 09:22.55 | perlmonkey | Gnea cant you find a suitable replacement? |
| 09:23.00 | Gnea | there's gotta be some online store that sells misc parts that'll have it |
| 09:23.02 | Gnea | perlmonkey: not yet |
| 09:23.10 | evaded | azeem: But i'm still on 4.0.3-3, i'm confussed. |
| 09:23.12 | perlmonkey | Gnea eBay is your best bet |
| 09:23.13 | Gnea | perlmonkey: wanna help? |
| 09:23.18 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 09:23.20 | Gnea | perlmonkey: pffft, that's where i got the damn thing |
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| 09:23.31 | perlmonkey | what is it? |
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| 09:23.44 | D4rkf|23 | hi all |
| 09:23.46 | azeem | evaded: paste the error message to a pastebin |
| 09:23.48 | azeem | !paster |
| 09:23.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 09:23.51 | Gnea | it's a dell/Adaptec AAC-364 Perc 2 Ultra2 scsi raid controller |
| 09:23.53 | evaded | azeem: ;-) |
| 09:23.55 | perlmonkey | hi mr obscure nickname |
| 09:24.03 | perlmonkey | ooo |
| 09:24.13 | D4rkf|23 | I need some informations about PCMCIA cardbus adapter installation on debian gnu/linux |
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| 09:24.19 | perlmonkey | Gnea: are you in the UK? |
| 09:24.30 | azeem | D4rkf|23: what kind of information? |
| 09:24.44 | Gnea | perlmonkey: no, i'm in the states. but i'm not opposed to ordering from there if it's the only place on the planet that has it. |
| 09:24.59 | evaded | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/82324 |
| 09:25.01 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 09:25.04 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:25.15 | perlmonkey | Radio Shack doesnt have it? we call that store Tandy here |
| 09:25.18 | D4rkf|23 | azeem: I need informations about installation of PCMCIA wireless cardbus adapter (my card si: Senao Long Wireless EXT2) |
| 09:25.34 | perlmonkey | Maplin Electronics and RS Components are good places for electronics in UK |
| 09:25.35 | Gnea | i'd have to wait for them to open |
| 09:25.47 | blondie | perlmonkey: tandy went bust ;) |
| 09:25.47 | perlmonkey | can order online and they ship overseas |
| 09:26.06 | azeem | evaded: paste the output of '/usr/bin/gcc -v' as well |
| 09:26.09 | perlmonkey | did they? that explains why I havent seen any stores in a while, I used to go there as a kid for my hobby parts |
| 09:26.12 | Gnea | well there was someplace stateside that i found several years ago and now i cant' remember the name to save my life |
| 09:26.12 | blondie | which was a slight shame as they were the only electronic component store locally |
| 09:26.18 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 09:26.20 | azeem | D4rkf|23: did you try an install, and it failed? |
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| 09:26.51 | D4rkf|23 | azeem: yes, i tried...but in the compile i don't find linux source directory |
| 09:26.52 | Gnea | it was something blatantly obvious |
| 09:27.01 | evaded | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/82326 |
| 09:27.15 | azeem | D4rkf|23: which compile? |
| 09:27.27 | Gnea | i had their book too... thick mofo |
| 09:27.36 | Gnea | but i think i tossed it :/ |
| 09:27.50 | D4rkf|23 | azeem: the compile of installation driver for my card which have Prism2 chipset |
| 09:27.52 | azeem | evaded: did you try to just answer yes to vmware's second question? |
| 09:28.05 | azeem | D4rkf|23: prism2 cards should be supported out-of-the-box |
| 09:28.12 | azeem | D4rkf|23: which version of Debian did you install? |
| 09:28.18 | evaded | azeem: Yes, but that fail :-/ |
| 09:28.28 | azeem | evaded: well, then paste the error |
| 09:28.36 | evaded | azeem: Right ;-) |
| 09:28.42 | D4rkf|23 | azeem: I installed debian 3.1r2 in business card installation |
| 09:28.59 | azeem | D4rkf|23: are you running it right now |
| 09:29.00 | azeem | ? |
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| 09:29.27 | mrparanoid | you might need the hostap drivers D4rkf|23 |
| 09:29.29 | D4rkf|23 | azeem: yeah, now i have my panasonic toughbook |
| 09:30.04 | D4rkf|23 | mrparanoid: during installation of hostap, don't find the linux source directory |
| 09:30.21 | D4rkf|23 | this is my problem "don't find linux source directory" |
| 09:30.33 | mrparanoid | did you use apt or did you manual download the source? |
| 09:30.38 | evaded | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/82327 |
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| 09:30.57 | perlmonkey | phew greenweld.co.uk is still going |
| 09:30.57 | D4rkf|23 | azeem: manual download and installation |
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| 09:31.10 | D4rkf|23 | mrparanoid: manual download and installation |
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| 09:33.09 | perlmonkey | whats the name given to a plant which requires insects for pollenation? |
| 09:33.28 | mrparanoid | D4rkf|23 have u look in apt-cache search hostap |
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| 09:33.49 | perlmonkey | insectavorous? |
| 09:33.55 | seeds | cross pollination |
| 09:33.56 | D4rkf|23 | mrparanoid: yes...negative |
| 09:34.00 | Gnea | perlmonkey: the only thing that i can remember is that the name of the company ended with 'er' and they were located in either virginia, tennessee, or texas |
| 09:34.12 | perlmonkey | seeds: isnt that genetically modified plants? |
| 09:34.26 | Gnea | MOUSER!!! |
| 09:34.28 | Gnea | mouser.com |
| 09:34.29 | Gnea | that's it! |
| 09:34.39 | perlmonkey | Gnea: which company is that? that sells your bats? |
| 09:34.49 | seeds | hehehe |
| 09:34.53 | mrparanoid | negative meaning? |
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| 09:35.07 | Gnea | perlmonkey: no, it's the company that i ordered an NVRAM chip for a Sun 3/80 from years ago :) |
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| 09:35.08 | seeds | am not sure. |
| 09:35.11 | Gnea | but they might have it |
| 09:35.16 | perlmonkey | oh i see |
| 09:35.58 | Gnea | perlmonkey: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/626/POWERSECTIONGUIDE.pdf |
| 09:36.12 | mohkohn | Hello again. Had a really slow connection on the #debian server. So switched to freenode |
| 09:36.33 | mohkohn | Thanks to Gnea and all the rest of you who helped me. |
| 09:36.52 | D4rkf|23 | mrparanoid: this is my procedure of installation "tar -xvzf hostap-driver-0.4.9.tar.gz " |
| 09:36.55 | Gnea | shit. |
| 09:37.02 | D4rkf|23 | "make config" |
| 09:37.05 | mohkohn | it was the /etc/resolv.conf in the end . 198 instead of 192 |
| 09:37.25 | perlmonkey | Gnea: do they have the one you need |
| 09:37.39 | D4rkf|23 | don't find Linux Source Directory |
| 09:37.55 | mohkohn | What does a red line on the screen mean in xchat? |
| 09:37.58 | perlmonkey | what happened to Adaptec anyway? didnt they get taken over? |
| 09:38.03 | Gnea | perlmonkey: doesn't look like it |
| 09:38.24 | Gnea | yeah, by SATA lol |
| 09:38.28 | Gnea | no, they're still around |
| 09:38.37 | mrparanoid | D4rkf|23: what did you mean by negative to the apt-cache search? |
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| 09:38.53 | perlmonkey | Gnea: http://www.maplin.co.uk/family.aspx?menu=77&MenuName=Batteries+%26amp%3b+Power&worldid=7&doy=8m7 |
| 09:39.23 | D4rkf|23 | mrparanoid: negative = don't search |
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| 09:39.42 | mrparanoid | no results, or you didnt want to search? |
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| 09:39.56 | perlmonkey | I bought an Adaptec SCSI controller from ebay and it came shaped like a banana |
| 09:40.19 | D4rkf|23 | no results |
| 09:40.21 | kronoz | mohkohn: that someone has said your name |
| 09:40.22 | perlmonkey | was still userable tho, someone had forced it into a tight place |
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| 09:40.39 | Gnea | perlmonkey: sec, i'll upload a picture |
| 09:40.43 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:41.11 | mrparanoid | that doesnt sound right, run a apt-get update |
| 09:41.21 | mrparanoid | and then try apt-cache search hostap |
| 09:41.28 | D4rkf|23 | ok thanks... |
| 09:41.30 | perlmonkey | in 1989 i had a lead acid battery explode in my eyes at work |
| 09:41.35 | azeem | evaded: looks like a problem on vmware's side |
| 09:41.37 | D4rkf|23 | now i repeat all |
| 09:41.42 | perlmonkey | nearly lost my eyesight from that |
| 09:41.44 | azeem | evaded: again, I suggest you ask their support |
| 09:41.55 | Gnea | perlmonkey: fuck |
| 09:42.11 | evaded | azeem: Yeah, i think also, like i have again follow his instructions on the website, and i get an bunch of errors :-/ |
| 09:42.16 | mohkohn | kronoz, that is red letters. This looks more like a straight red line. I was wondering if it had to do with slow network. |
| 09:42.52 | mohkohn | I thought is was fsck in Unix systems Gnea |
| 09:42.53 | evaded | azeem: Beer! to you ;-) Thanks for the support, also if it not have work, you have put a bit of you're time in it ;-) Beer to you |
| 09:43.47 | perlmonkey | Realistic CB radios were made by Tandy |
| 09:43.47 | azeem | D4rkf|23: did you try to build the modules with module-assistant? |
| 09:43.49 | azeem | !m-a |
| 09:43.49 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 09:43.59 | perlmonkey | and they can be found on eBay for little monkey |
| 09:44.39 | perlmonkey | did you guys ever play with CB's when you were little monkeys? |
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| 09:45.17 | mha13 | im getting an error that my parttion is readonly if it is mounted as rw (read and write) |
| 09:45.19 | perlmonkey | 14 for a recheck, any breaker give me a recheck? |
| 09:45.48 | perlmonkey | i never knew what a recheck was, but lots of people kept asking for one so I figured I should too |
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| 09:46.57 | Gnea | perlmonkey: http://www.swiftslayer.org/~gnea/pix/adaptec/ |
| 09:47.14 | Gnea | perlmonkey: 100_1065.jpg shows the acid in better detail |
| 09:47.40 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:48.40 | perlmonkey | Gnea do you have a soldering iron |
| 09:48.52 | yang | is there any log file, when apt-get update was done? |
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| 09:49.02 | yang | and apt-get upgrade |
| 09:49.17 | Gnea | perlmonkey: no, but i know someone that does :) |
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| 09:49.32 | codeshepherd | is there a separate debian netinstall iso that support SATA ? |
| 09:49.38 | perlmonkey | Gnea those are quite big cells! i was expecting something like button cells but wider |
| 09:49.54 | [TACO] | codeshepherd: try on the first boot screen, linux26 |
| 09:50.04 | perlmonkey | thats a bad design isnt it? these should be into a holder and easily replaceable |
| 09:50.06 | Eulex | codeshepherd, sarge does support sata. the problem is that it doesn't support many newer sata chipsets. |
| 09:50.31 | Eulex | yeah, and try linux26 |
| 09:50.36 | Gnea | perlmonkey: they're slightly longer than my middle finger |
| 09:50.36 | perlmonkey | Gnea: i think you should buy a holder and adapt these adaptec :P |
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| 09:51.07 | perlmonkey | whats the voltage? |
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| 09:51.34 | tmb | i was curious about how to improve screen resolution in x windows |
| 09:51.37 | Gnea | NFC |
| 09:51.53 | tmb | if anyone could point me in the right direction it'd be much appreciated |
| 09:52.12 | Eulex | tmb, what gfx card? |
| 09:52.15 | Gnea | perlmonkey: http://www.techexcess.net/adaptec-dell-perc-ii-raid-controller-card-with-128mb-cache-aac-364.aspx <-- detailed specs on the card... as detailed as it gets |
| 09:52.35 | tmb | i believe nvidia |
| 09:52.46 | Eulex | !drxx tmb |
| 09:52.46 | dpkg | tmb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:53.11 | Eulex | tmb, run that, select the nv driver, and give it the correct horizontal and vertical refresh ranges. |
| 09:53.17 | [TACO] | Eulex: this is the third time in a week :o |
| 09:53.51 | [TACO] | tmb: if you need to know the monitor values, I got them from `xdebconfigurator' |
| 09:54.07 | Eulex | or hwinfo --monitor |
| 09:54.10 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 09:54.11 | dpkg | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 09:54.23 | [TACO] | Eulex: yeah, hehe |
| 09:55.39 | Eulex | [TACO], also, I'm very familiar with how good the nv driver is -- may he have to use the proprietary nvidia driver to get some higher resolutions? |
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| 09:55.52 | Eulex | or shoulv nv work fine for all resolutions? |
| 09:56.08 | tmb | should you be in the console for all this? |
| 09:56.20 | Eulex | tmb, yes, or a terminal |
| 09:56.59 | perlmonkey | Gnea strange I cant find that card on adaptec.com |
| 09:57.03 | [TACO] | Eulex: Not that I am aware of. I never noticed the option when I did it, or any change in the options |
| 09:57.35 | [TACO] | Eulex: but I believe their is a size limit the card has, I noticed that on a lot of cards for windows. As well as the monitor controls that as well |
| 09:57.37 | Gnea | perlmonkey: same here. |
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| 09:57.49 | Eulex | [TACO], ok. never had an nvidia card :) |
| 09:57.50 | teledyn | i have a weird issue. in a script i have a line: if `grep -q "M4x4" /proc/asound/card0/id`; |
| 09:57.59 | [TACO] | Eulex: I've got Nvidia, ati... |
| 09:58.00 | teledyn | if i run that grep command on the command it runs fine, but via the script grep gives the error: "/proc/asound/card0/id: No such file or directory" odd, because later in the script it greps through /proc/bus/usb/devices with no problems |
| 09:58.04 | [TACO] | 2 ATI to be exact |
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| 09:58.11 | [TACO] | this Windows Machine is X800 Pro |
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| 09:58.21 | [TACO] | where as the other is X700 I believe |
| 09:58.22 | teledyn | both proc dirs have the exact same permissions |
| 09:58.45 | [TACO] | My linux box is NVidia however, but its using legacy drivers |
| 09:58.55 | [TACO] | 7182 to be exact :P |
| 09:59.05 | [TACO] | Eulex! Mind if I PM you about the NV solution? |
| 09:59.16 | Eulex | [TACO], well, I'm not the person with problems |
| 09:59.22 | [TACO] | I know |
| 09:59.32 | [TACO] | Eulex: even with your name infront of it, I'm hoping he can read it :P |
| 09:59.47 | [TACO] | Eulex: but remember how I couldn't get it working for weeks? |
| 09:59.57 | Eulex | umh, no, sorry, I don't |
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| 10:00.13 | [TACO] | thats strange, you're not on oftc? |
| 10:00.31 | xored | i got this problem, when someone tried to mail onto my server |
| 10:00.32 | [TACO] | yes you are.. |
| 10:00.35 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:00.46 | Eulex | I am, but I got there not long ago |
| 10:00.46 | xored | <<< 503 valid RCPT command must precede DATA |
| 10:00.55 | xored | could someone help ? |
| 10:01.05 | [TACO] | Eulex: Ironicly I couldn't get it to work for 1-2 weeks |
| 10:01.17 | [TACO] | Eulex: but the ironic part was the fix, the 5 min solution :P |
| 10:01.27 | tmb | does xdebconfigurator automatically update the X config file? |
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| 10:01.46 | Eulex | [TACO], haha, yes, that's usually how it is :) |
| 10:01.56 | [TACO] | tmb: depends, is your xorg.conf or config file been altered? |
| 10:02.06 | [TACO] | Eulex: mind if I PM you the simple solution? :P |
| 10:02.08 | tmb | no |
| 10:02.19 | [TACO] | then it should |
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| 10:02.23 | [TACO] | most times its altered it doesn't |
| 10:02.25 | [TACO] | says its custom |
| 10:02.26 | Eulex | [TACO], nope |
| 10:02.26 | tmb | ok im gonna give it a shot |
| 10:02.32 | tmb | thanks guys |
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| 10:05.35 | perlmonkey | Gnea: prices are high: http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?N=4294774015&forwardingPage=browse&name=SiteStandard&obs=bObs&callingPage=/jsp/browse/browse.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0387097174.1152352937@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccaddifegjlijcefeceefdffhdfgi.0&cacheID=uknetscape&Nr=avl:uk |
| 10:05.42 | aSmig | congrats mohkohn |
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| 10:05.57 | Gnea | perlmonkey: can you tinyurl.com that? :) |
| 10:06.02 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 10:06.23 | perlmonkey | go to rsww.com and click on power on menu |
| 10:06.28 | perlmonkey | *rswww.com |
| 10:06.39 | Gnea | dude, are you using firefox? |
| 10:06.44 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 10:06.50 | Gnea | ok |
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| 10:07.14 | Gnea | go to tinyurl.com and do the click 'n drag thing |
| 10:07.23 | perlmonkey | if those cells are 1.5v, i would just buy a cheap battery holder off ebay, and fit some standard rechargeable cells |
| 10:07.31 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:07.37 | Gnea | drag it to your toolbar, then go over to the rswww tab and click the tinyurl in your toolbar and bam |
| 10:07.39 | littleball | hello, in shell file, how to set the current working directory? |
| 10:07.58 | Gnea | littleball: shell file? |
| 10:08.02 | perlmonkey | http://tinyurl.com/jlb24 |
| 10:08.06 | Gnea | littleball: shell sript? |
| 10:08.07 | littleball | yes |
| 10:08.11 | [TACO] | Eulex: it was a learning experience none the less :P |
| 10:08.16 | littleball | Gnea, yes |
| 10:08.17 | Burne | www.idpz.net/tomytom/Linux.htm --> Linux news ! :) |
| 10:08.25 | [TACO] | Eulex: a kick in the butt is a step forward, a hard kick to the butt is two :P |
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| 10:08.34 | Gnea | perlmonkey: hrmmmm... |
| 10:08.35 | Eulex | [TACO], well, I didn't mind :) |
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| 10:08.45 | Gnea | littleball: cd /path |
| 10:08.53 | [TACO] | Eulex: that was a solution I never imagined |
| 10:08.58 | perlmonkey | Gnea: see the prices? £20-£30? |
| 10:09.00 | littleball | Gnea, let me try |
| 10:09.00 | [TACO] | Eulex: strange huh? |
| 10:09.09 | Eulex | [TACO], hehe |
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| 10:09.27 | [TACO] | I owe Maligor that one though, he told me the solution :P |
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| 10:10.17 | perlmonkey | Gnea: I think you should go solar :P |
| 10:10.32 | [TACO] | Eulex: I used to know a linux genious, lost touch with him a long time... wait he is usually on this network |
| 10:11.14 | [TACO] | Eulex: you didn't get my pms either... I forgot to authenticate :P |
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| 10:11.38 | Eulex | littleball, you can also cd to the parent directory by doing cd .., and to 'relative' paths by not having any / in the beginning (cd test would go into the test directory in the current directory) and you can also use the ~ character to refer to your home. also, a nice shortcut: just run cd and it will go into your home directory |
| 10:11.46 | Eulex | [TACO], oh, that'd explain it |
| 10:11.59 | [TACO] | Eulex: in other words, I had to dummy package nvidia-kernel-legacy because I had the drivers already there. Custom kernel, and it didn't have one packaged for it. Worked like a charm to cure the nvidia-glx-legacy problem :P |
| 10:12.25 | perlmonkey | Gnea: http://img-europe.electrocomponents.com/largeimages/RF279495-01.jpg <-- surface mountable, 72p each ($1.30?) |
| 10:12.30 | xored | where to find the aliases for exim ? |
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| 10:12.36 | Eulex | [TACO], oh, ok |
| 10:12.45 | mohkohn | thanks aSmig (sorry the net is slow here. So a lot of lag with answers.) |
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| 10:12.56 | [TACO] | Eulex: my friend is online... I gotta talk to him sometime today |
| 10:13.38 | littleball | Eulex, thanks |
| 10:14.37 | Gnea | perlmonkey: oh man... i don't even have a clue as to how much voltage these things are |
| 10:14.42 | [TACO] | littleball: another neat trick is this |
| 10:15.05 | [TACO] | littleball: say I'm in /etc/whatever/goes/here and I want to go back two directories `cd ../..' |
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| 10:15.25 | [TACO] | also works if you want to go back 2, and go forward one |
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| 10:15.35 | [TACO] | cd ../../newtarget |
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| 10:16.13 | perlmonkey | Gnea: you will have to measure a good one with a meter |
| 10:17.02 | perlmonkey | Gnea: http://img-europe.electrocomponents.com/largeimages/R367422-01.jpg <-- this might be tidier/less space solution? |
| 10:18.06 | perlmonkey | I use these 2032 cells in my Cassiopeia PDA |
| 10:18.22 | perlmonkey | one cell can backup my memory for a week |
| 10:18.33 | perlmonkey | if main power goes down |
| 10:18.40 | [TACO] | I've used all kinds of battery and housing compartments |
| 10:18.58 | [TACO] | but not for computers :P |
| 10:19.02 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 10:19.11 | littleball | hello, i am looking for tiny box to install linux. who can recommend? |
| 10:19.12 | [TACO] | Micro Electronics |
| 10:19.27 | perlmonkey | I have no idea why manufacturers hard solder non-standard batteries onto boards |
| 10:19.29 | perlmonkey | it makes no sense |
| 10:19.30 | xored | where are the aliases for exim stored ? |
| 10:19.54 | perlmonkey | thats just bad design practice, people should give thought to servicing |
| 10:20.00 | [TACO] | littleball: just goto a redestributor site and buy the decent comps for cheap |
| 10:20.14 | littleball | [TACO], i need small size one |
| 10:20.18 | amee2k | how do i make pure-ftpd use a real config file? |
| 10:20.24 | [TACO] | littleball: shuttle? |
| 10:20.38 | littleball | box with small size |
| 10:20.44 | perlmonkey | littleball: a tiny footprint PC? |
| 10:20.52 | littleball | yes |
| 10:20.53 | wols | there are a gazillion shoebox cases like shuttles out there now |
| 10:20.57 | wols | evreyone makes them |
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| 10:21.01 | mickael__ | hi |
| 10:21.11 | wols | MSI, Asus, ECS, IWill |
| 10:21.13 | [TACO] | littleball: that or just buy a server :P |
| 10:21.17 | [TACO] | thin one |
| 10:21.26 | Gnea | perlmonkey: looks like i'll need to get my soldering buddy to disconnect the leads on 'em, otherwise i risk breaking them off |
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| 10:21.38 | amee2k | (and not that scatter-gather style config) |
| 10:21.42 | Gnea | perlmonkey: it's possible the bottom of the batteries has more relevent information |
| 10:21.49 | littleball | [TACO] a small box easy to distribute to other places. because only simple program will run on it |
| 10:21.51 | tmb | just out of curiousity, how do you get back into the console from x windows? |
| 10:22.03 | Gnea | tmb: ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 10:22.31 | perlmonkey | Gnea: yeah you gotta be careful, not too much heat either else the PCB tracks will come up |
| 10:23.11 | Gnea | perlmonkey: right, don't wanna fuck it up anymore than it already is :) |
| 10:23.12 | perlmonkey | Gnea: I think you maybe right |
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| 10:23.36 | perlmonkey | it should be relatively easy tho to adapt these board to take alternative batteries |
| 10:23.50 | perlmonkey | providing they are standard 1.5v cells |
| 10:23.53 | Gnea | it's doubtful |
| 10:24.00 | Gnea | there are space restrictions |
| 10:24.04 | [TACO] | littleball: looking at a source I have |
| 10:24.13 | perlmonkey | but those look like big cells eh |
| 10:24.21 | perlmonkey | AAA will be a good replacement |
| 10:24.28 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:24.41 | Gnea | yeah, they're about as thick as AAA |
| 10:24.43 | perlmonkey | this board doesnt need much power, these are backup cells for power failure? |
| 10:24.43 | [TACO] | littleball: apparently they have micro mainboards :P |
| 10:24.50 | Gnea | but then you gotta consider the size of the mount |
| 10:25.11 | Gnea | honestly, i don't know wtf they're for.. i think it's for the RAID memory |
| 10:25.14 | littleball | [TACO] thansk |
| 10:25.20 | perlmonkey | i have an AAA holder for 2 and 3 cells which is quite tiny |
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| 10:25.30 | Gnea | there's an EDO dimm onboard (this is the daughter board) |
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| 10:25.36 | concept10 | how do you find out the version of a package using apt-cache search ? |
| 10:25.45 | jaggz- | hi folks :) |
| 10:25.48 | Gnea | and then it connects to the mainboard in parrallel |
| 10:25.49 | jaggz- | how are you all today? |
| 10:26.09 | streuner | concept10: tried man apt-cache? |
| 10:26.21 | jaggz- | how do you get information on a .deb package (without installing it) |
| 10:26.25 | concept10 | streuner, yes, i dont see it |
| 10:26.36 | Gnea | jaggz-: apt-cache show <packagename> |
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| 10:26.54 | streuner | jaggz-: man apt-cache |
| 10:26.58 | perlmonkey | Gnea: you could use this board with no cells at all i bet, so long as you didnt lose main power |
| 10:27.24 | concept10 | if you know it, show it |
| 10:27.52 | jaggz- | gnea, without installing it? |
| 10:27.57 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: I found a nice mobile system while looking for littleball, wanna see it? |
| 10:28.04 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 10:28.05 | streuner | apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version |
| 10:28.14 | streuner | jaggz-: ^^^ |
| 10:28.27 | streuner | jaggz-: s/libc6/<package> |
| 10:28.53 | jaggz- | libc6 is installed |
| 10:29.05 | jaggz- | I mean apt-cache something myfile.deb |
| 10:29.22 | Gnea | perlmonkey: yeah, i'm just not very proficient at soldering |
| 10:29.38 | tralala | What would you use for a laptop that connects to different (non dhcp) networks to specify the appripriate nameserver for each network? Netenv? Something else? |
| 10:29.42 | streuner | jaggz-: oh, you have a deb on your HD and need infos about? |
| 10:29.48 | [TACO] | Gnea: I have a perminent scar because of my soldering skills, do you? |
| 10:29.56 | Gnea | perlmonkey: oh well. thanks for your help :) |
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| 10:30.08 | Gnea | [TACO]: i have permenant scars from other things ;) |
| 10:30.20 | [TACO] | haha |
| 10:30.23 | [TACO] | I do too |
| 10:30.27 | [TACO] | all involving heat though |
| 10:30.33 | Gnea | yeah |
| 10:30.33 | perlmonkey | take a laptop motherboard and fit into an 18th century rosewood box and you have a tiny computer thats stylish |
| 10:30.37 | concept10 | streuner, people like you make this channel useless |
| 10:30.43 | [TACO] | soldering, sparklers, flaming marshmellows... |
| 10:30.46 | perlmonkey | Gnea: np |
| 10:30.56 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: I like that small one though :P |
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| 10:31.00 | perlmonkey | I did soldering for many years |
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| 10:31.01 | Gnea | concept10: please, stop trolling. |
| 10:31.02 | xored | comeon guys, could someone help me with exim4 aliases, iam rally stucked. pleas :/ |
| 10:31.08 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: mobile server |
| 10:31.08 | perlmonkey | i have the scars to prove it |
| 10:31.15 | concept10 | Gnea, thats no troll, thats the truth |
| 10:31.25 | jaggz- | streuner, exactly.. I don't want to install it until I know what it is |
| 10:31.33 | concept10 | Gnea, you call me a troll because I say whats on my mind? |
| 10:31.42 | Gnea | concept10: no, that's just your opinion, which is not a widespread fact. |
| 10:31.44 | jaggz- | basically, I'm looking through a lot of files I've downloaded over the past year, looking for a particular text categorization software... |
| 10:31.47 | streuner | jaggz-: use 'mc' and look into /DEBIAN control |
| 10:31.50 | perlmonkey | concept10 leave streuner we like him |
| 10:32.01 | amee2k | how can i remove a package _completely_ with all config files and reinstall it? (effectively, resetting it to 'factory default') |
| 10:32.03 | Gnea | concept10: no, because you're engaging in a personal attack. |
| 10:32.09 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: haha, it must be a medal for those who walk the find line of small peices with big iron and little margin for error |
| 10:32.15 | [TACO] | find = fine |
| 10:32.26 | perlmonkey | TACO: indeed |
| 10:32.30 | concept10 | perlmonkey, thats fine. |
| 10:32.32 | [TACO] | battle scars |
| 10:33.02 | streuner | concept10> how do you find out the version of a package using apt-cache search ? |
| 10:33.02 | jaggz- | streuner, coool.... mc can look into files.. |
| 10:33.14 | streuner | <streuner> apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version |
| 10:33.20 | jaggz- | I'd think dpkg could display the package info.. I mean, it handles -i and all.. |
| 10:33.27 | Gnea | concept10: please, smoke crack elsewhere. |
| 10:33.31 | streuner | concept10: if you aren't able to read, we cannot help you. |
| 10:33.36 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:33.47 | amee2k | O.o |
| 10:33.58 | tralala | concept10: now that's rather useful |
| 10:33.59 | perlmonkey | take your crack pipe and do one |
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| 10:34.08 | concept10 | gimme a break *I* used apt-cache showpkg |
| 10:34.23 | amee2k | where can i ask question when i'm looking for an answer? |
| 10:34.35 | streuner | jaggz-: no, dpkg could use the package-system, but not for a file which is only stored |
| 10:34.38 | [TACO] | amee2k: infront of you |
| 10:34.44 | concept10 | The point I was making is this. Answer the question if you know it (if you like) dont be a smart ass about it. |
| 10:34.57 | amee2k | [TACO]: i tried but no response ^_^ |
| 10:35.11 | concept10 | Gnea, did you not just make a personal attact on me? |
| 10:35.12 | streuner | if you don't like us, feel free to join elsewhere |
| 10:35.29 | perlmonkey | holy crap |
| 10:35.32 | [TACO] | amee2k: try `apt-get -purge remove <package name>' |
| 10:35.37 | streuner | there are plenty of others in i-net about debian |
| 10:35.41 | amee2k | :) |
| 10:35.44 | perlmonkey | my clock has stopped striking again, unless im going deaf in my old age |
| 10:35.59 | tralala | concept10: stop bitching already. You've had your answer. It isn't the channels fault that you've missed it. |
| 10:36.09 | Pragmatic | Your clock does not strike? |
| 10:36.12 | concept10 | I stopped way back |
| 10:36.16 | perlmonkey | its silent |
| 10:36.16 | Pragmatic | Your clock has become a pacifist. |
| 10:36.21 | Pragmatic | You must scold it. |
| 10:36.23 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 10:36.47 | perlmonkey | i dont feel able to, its lived through at least 2 world wars |
| 10:36.49 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: its meditating |
| 10:36.53 | jaggz- | streuner, nod.. but *something* reads the .deb file and installs it.. it must understand the format of the file and put its information into the rest of the system ... |
| 10:37.14 | liran_ | has anyone made use of the rosetta translation system? |
| 10:37.24 | jaggz- | it just aint right that I have to run mc! but that's okay, it's rare that I have to do this.. and it's good to learn the .deb has some sort of browsable file-structure in it.. very interesting |
| 10:37.25 | Pragmatic | perlmonkey: Because it was a coward. |
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| 10:37.55 | perlmonkey | it should gong like big ben on the hour and every half hour too |
| 10:37.57 | [TACO] | perlmonkey; two world wars... it must be suffering from severe shell shock |
| 10:38.19 | jaggz- | Liran, no.. how are we to find information by searching for it? URL? |
| 10:38.29 | perlmonkey | maybe a mouse has taken up residence inside and pushed the chime lever up |
| 10:38.51 | Gnea | concept10: no, i did not. |
| 10:39.04 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: or died near it |
| 10:39.11 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:39.20 | Gnea | and that's the end of it. :) |
| 10:39.22 | Pragmatic | perlmonkey: How about a bat? |
| 10:39.22 | [TACO] | the mouse fought the good fight, and paid dearly for it |
| 10:39.29 | perlmonkey | i hate bats |
| 10:39.43 | Pragmatic | Bats hate you. |
| 10:39.46 | perlmonkey | they do that ultrasonic thing and fly low |
| 10:39.52 | Pragmatic | They want you to think you're going deaf. |
| 10:40.09 | Pragmatic | It's psychological warfare. |
| 10:40.13 | Pragmatic | Just like in 'Nam. |
| 10:40.20 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:40.29 | Pragmatic | DON'T LAUGH. |
| 10:40.35 | perlmonkey | Iraq |
| 10:40.36 | Pragmatic | YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT 'NAM. |
| 10:40.54 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: he is having flashbacks, ignore him |
| 10:40.58 | tralala | Pragmatic: hit the caps (once) |
| 10:41.07 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 10:41.12 | jaggz- | pearl, just before they flutter next to you and eat the fruit you were about to toss in your mouth? |
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| 10:41.43 | jaggz- | it's 3:40am |
| 10:41.54 | Pragmatic | You know what I bet it is? |
| 10:41.56 | perlmonkey | i'm trying to find a blood pressure monitor thing |
| 10:41.57 | Pragmatic | Vampire bat. |
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| 10:42.04 | jaggz- | you guys are going to have to come to terms with your computer-inundated life. |
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| 10:42.18 | jaggz- | pearl, drug store? |
| 10:42.27 | Pragmatic | They'll gladly test your blood pressure. |
| 10:42.29 | perlmonkey | i dont do drugs |
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| 10:42.44 | streuner | please, stay OT |
| 10:42.44 | Pragmatic | 03:42 < perlmonkey> i dont do drugs |
| 10:42.46 | perlmonkey | or stores |
| 10:42.51 | Pragmatic | None that you know of, at least. |
| 10:42.51 | jaggz- | oh, no.. I bought one of the manual arm-cuff + pressure meter things |
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| 10:42.58 | blondie | perlmonkey: see your Gp :P |
| 10:42.58 | jaggz- | but digital ones might be more convenient I figure.. |
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| 10:43.16 | jaggz- | I wanted to learn the technique.. cut off the blood flow.. |
| 10:43.16 | jaggz- | pressure drops |
| 10:43.20 | perlmonkey | I think i have high blood pressure, the cause is unknown |
| 10:43.23 | streuner | s/OT/OnTopic/ of course :-) |
| 10:43.27 | jaggz- | blood pressure squishes through .. makes a *SQUISH* sound too |
| 10:43.34 | blondie | perlmonkey: go to the doctor then |
| 10:43.37 | jaggz- | perl, not enough potassium? |
| 10:43.49 | perlmonkey | I dont trust doctors, they always give me antiobiotics |
| 10:43.50 | jaggz- | eating lots of table salt instead of sea salt? |
| 10:43.57 | perlmonkey | probably |
| 10:44.05 | mrparanoid | they will be able to tell you quickly if you have high blood pressure tho |
| 10:44.09 | jaggz- | yeah, but maybe you might find out why you have high blood pressure.. or maybe it's a good time to go to the doctor anyway |
| 10:44.16 | jaggz- | sometimes going to the doctor turns up other things |
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| 10:44.17 | mrparanoid | which you may need meds for to stop it from doing to much damage |
| 10:44.17 | blondie | I have slightly high blood pressure, probably from stress |
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| 10:44.21 | jaggz- | you might discover something |
| 10:44.26 | jaggz- | like an insurance premium |
| 10:44.26 | perlmonkey | stress could be it |
| 10:44.32 | DevilChaos | hi all |
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| 10:44.40 | blondie | I worry about everything and get cross easily x.x |
| 10:44.41 | mrparanoid | i've got low blood pressure, id prefer it over high |
| 10:44.43 | [TACO] | perlmonkey: hook yourself up to your box and run `discover' |
| 10:44.44 | Pragmatic | You might discover love. |
| 10:44.49 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:44.56 | jaggz- | oh.. then the blood squishes through the cuff and you hear it squish.. squish.. squish |
| 10:45.06 | Pragmatic | You know that doctor has the hots for you. |
| 10:45.09 | jaggz- | and you see the needle on the dial wiggle with each heartbeat |
| 10:45.17 | jaggz- | and as you let more air out.. after a bit it goes silent |
| 10:45.28 | perlmonkey | I worked for one of the large manufacturers of blood pressure monitors |
| 10:45.36 | perlmonkey | but i forgot to steal one |
| 10:45.37 | jaggz- | and the earlier point was the systolic, and the later is the diastolic.. or maybe those are reversed. |
| 10:45.56 | DevilChaos | needing a little help accessing my iriver mp3player on my system it pops up rhythmbox when i plug it in but doesnt allow me to see what is on it or put things on any help would be nice |
| 10:46.17 | perlmonkey | jaggz: yes thats the proper way with stethoscope? and mercury thing |
| 10:46.22 | perlmonkey | but now its all digital |
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| 10:46.23 | jaggz- | I have some heartburn like feeling in my chest.. but it doesn't feel like heartburn really.. kind of strange |
| 10:46.27 | [TACO] | device: granted you have the rights? |
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| 10:46.46 | [TACO] | jaggz-: acid reflux |
| 10:46.48 | jaggz- | perl, just stethoscope and a pressure-guage on a tube.. mercury is another type of pressure-guage though, yeah |
| 10:46.50 | tralala | DevilChaos: is that an usb memstick? |
| 10:46.53 | jaggz- | but the needle around the circle |
| 10:46.58 | perlmonkey | jaggz- a sharp pain when you breath? |
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| 10:47.08 | DevilChaos | well it should just see it as one |
| 10:47.19 | jaggz- | perl, my monitor's only several years old! the point was that I was able to learn how the pressure worked.. |
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| 10:47.26 | DevilChaos | its an iriver ifp-790 |
| 10:47.26 | [TACO] | DevilChaos: granted you have the rights? |
| 10:47.29 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 10:47.30 | jaggz- | perl, nah, mostly constant with a little variation.. where's my water |
| 10:47.40 | LinuxHelp | how can I check the temp on my motherboard (debs testing) ? |
| 10:47.54 | DevilChaos | wtf: i have the rights to what? |
| 10:47.54 | Pragmatic | LinuxHelp: Put your hand on it. |
| 10:48.02 | [TACO] | LinuxHelp: do you have the hardware for it? |
| 10:48.14 | streuner | LinuxHelp: lm-sensors, mbmon |
| 10:48.18 | LinuxHelp | Pragmatic, its covered in mineral oil.. so I'd rather not |
| 10:48.21 | [TACO] | DevilChaos: to your device, it may be read is as a mass storage device and have a mount point |
| 10:48.23 | perlmonkey | I bought a microscope so i can diagnose myself |
| 10:48.41 | perlmonkey | I have strep throat I think |
| 10:48.43 | jaggz- | is someone poisoning me with dust mites? |
| 10:48.47 | DevilChaos | yep i installed usbview |
| 10:48.57 | DevilChaos | and looked at it that way |
| 10:49.03 | perlmonkey | jaggz-: you have dust allergy? |
| 10:49.17 | jaggz- | mites, yeah. |
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| 10:49.22 | DevilChaos | its on the bus as 00 whatever that means |
| 10:49.41 | perlmonkey | did you know its possible to make antibiotics with a piece of stale bread and an orange and a jam-jar |
| 10:49.45 | DevilChaos | where do i look to see what mount point its at in /dev/? |
| 10:50.01 | DevilChaos | - /dev/usb/? |
| 10:50.07 | jaggz- | Devil, /media/ ? |
| 10:50.08 | perlmonkey | sorry totally OT |
| 10:50.09 | [TACO] | you don't do that in /dev |
| 10:50.10 | tralala | DevilChaos: paste the output of dmesg (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 10:50.11 | cute_bettong | V/ |
| 10:50.32 | amee2k | lol |
| 10:50.57 | [TACO] | DevilChaos: cat /etc/fstab |
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| 10:51.19 | LinuxHelp | okay so I seem to have lm-sensors installed |
| 10:51.19 | tralala | DevilChaos: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 10:51.54 | DevilChaos | o.O |
| 10:52.07 | DevilChaos | o |
| 10:52.13 | DevilChaos | ) |
| 10:52.23 | [TACO] | DevilChaos: what does the command I gave you return? |
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| 10:53.16 | DevilChaos | the mount table |
| 10:53.29 | [TACO] | do you see any resembling your Device? |
| 10:53.39 | DevilChaos | no |
| 10:53.42 | streuner | LinuxHelp: install that package and run 'sensors-detect' |
| 10:53.50 | DevilChaos | because i havent put anything there |
| 10:54.03 | DevilChaos | its a manual file is it not? |
| 10:54.37 | [TACO] | DevilChaos: depends, usb can be plug and play |
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| 10:55.14 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 10:55.27 | DevilChaos | im going to check /media/ |
| 10:55.35 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 10:55.37 | tralala | DevilChaos: did you read the usb-storage already? |
| 10:56.24 | TuxMeister | i'm building a game that works with sdl libs and "make" step suddenly stops with this error: /usr/bin/ld: couldn't find -lCEGUIOpenGLRenderer |
| 10:56.27 | TuxMeister | any idea? |
| 10:56.50 | [TACO] | wrong channel most likely for starters |
| 10:56.53 | jaggz- | okay, gotta get going |
| 10:57.00 | jaggz- | working with bow (libbow) + rainbow |
| 10:57.01 | jaggz- | b'bye |
| 10:57.06 | jaggz- | don't sabotage me.. |
| 10:57.08 | DevilChaos | exellent |
| 10:57.13 | tralala | TuxMeister: you're missing a lib. Check the game's requirements |
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| 10:57.32 | TuxMeister | ok, tralala thanks |
| 10:58.12 | LinuxHelp | war95, ping? |
| 10:59.06 | war95 | LinuxHelp: pong |
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| 10:59.32 | LinuxHelp | war95, been trying to get mb temps |
| 10:59.44 | LinuxHelp | lm-sensors is being nasty to me |
| 10:59.59 | DevilChaos | so i can add sd_mod and usb-storage to /etc/modules yes? |
| 11:00.13 | war95 | LinuxHelp: alternatively you can apt-get install mbmon |
| 11:00.14 | LinuxHelp | Can't access procfs/sysfs file |
| 11:00.15 | itchi | Hos do you do to get an beep heard when someon talk to you in irssi in Etch ? |
| 11:00.31 | LinuxHelp | war95, yes I'm running that now |
| 11:00.41 | tralala | DevilChaos: usully it isn't needed as they are loaded automatically |
| 11:01.10 | tralala | itchi: there is a channel called #irrsi |
| 11:01.13 | LinuxHelp | war95, and yes I could right a program that auto-shuts down the pc by reading that program, but I was just wandering whether theres a better way |
| 11:01.47 | itchi | tralala: Yeah, but it's 2 days i ask the question there :-/ |
| 11:02.25 | tralala | itchi: have you tried /set beep yet? |
| 11:02.36 | war95 | LinuxHelp: you can usually do that in the bios btw. |
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| 11:03.15 | LinuxHelp | war95, my bios is strange like that 8/ |
| 11:03.17 | wols | war95: only on newer mobos. and often very badly implemented like only 4-5 temps, etvc |
| 11:03.22 | knt | How can I enable Xvideo support for my video card? |
| 11:03.27 | itchi | tralala: Yes, and i have defined to aplay ~/.irssi/scripts/all.wav |
| 11:03.36 | LinuxHelp | war95, also http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/CyKeTR45.html |
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| 11:03.51 | LinuxHelp | war95, but this time I want to do it ;) |
| 11:04.01 | war95 | ic. |
| 11:04.08 | war95 | forget 7 |
| 11:04.12 | war95 | 5/6 should be doable |
| 11:04.20 | wols | itchi: do you have a hardware mixer? are you already using your audio output (for mp3s maybe)? |
| 11:04.27 | LinuxHelp | k |
| 11:04.50 | LinuxHelp | and then I suppose I may as well remove i2c and all the rest? |
| 11:05.03 | tralala | itchi: so you don't want just a simple beep? |
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| 11:05.05 | simonrvn | it's not #ubuntu? |
| 11:05.05 | war95 | LinuxHelp: well we can fix i2c if you want |
| 11:05.07 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 11:06.05 | LinuxHelp | war95, well what is the advantage of i2c, as opposed to mbmon? |
| 11:06.13 | itchi | tralala: An simple beep is already nice, if it work ;-) |
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| 11:06.37 | war95 | LinuxHelp: faster, better imo.. supported by gkrellm etc |
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| 11:07.06 | tralala | itchi: do you have bell_beeps on? |
| 11:07.06 | LinuxHelp | war95, ssh |
| 11:07.13 | war95 | LinuxHelp: screen -x |
| 11:07.19 | war95 | LinuxHelp: you don't need a # if there is only 1 |
| 11:07.27 | itchi | tralala: Yes it's on |
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| 11:08.15 | LinuxHelp | wait |
| 11:08.15 | concept10 | Does anyone know if debian's apache2 package is compiled with mod_rewrite? I don't see the module package |
| 11:08.19 | war95 | LinuxHelp: ok |
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| 11:08.33 | LinuxHelp | war95, I type you watch :) |
| 11:08.38 | war95 | ok |
| 11:08.48 | LinuxHelp | and direct and stuff |
| 11:08.59 | itchi | tralala: I guess there is somethings simply i forget to do, but what :-/ |
| 11:09.00 | simonrvn | concept10: a built-in |
| 11:09.05 | war95 | LinuxHelp: hm |
| 11:09.08 | LinuxHelp | soo, where do I start? |
| 11:09.12 | concept10 | simonrvn, thanks alot |
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| 11:09.17 | war95 | LinuxHelp: traverse the menus |
| 11:09.23 | war95 | LinuxHelp: until you find what you are looking for |
| 11:09.26 | war95 | LinuxHelp: start fromt he top |
| 11:09.39 | flixil | LOL. Do u wanna buy windows 1.0?? Check this http://youtube.com/watch?v=kvbWLfr-Z4s&search=steve%20ballmer |
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| 11:09.43 | LinuxHelp | cifs first then |
| 11:10.12 | war95 | we need to make i2c/inotify and cifs change |
| 11:10.12 | war95 | just go through them all dude |
| 11:10.12 | war95 | its the only way you'll remember where everything is |
| 11:10.12 | tralala | itchi: beep_msg_level? |
| 11:10.12 | simonrvn | concept10: meaning, dpkg -L apache2-something will show /usr/lib/apache2/modules/...rewrite.... |
| 11:10.12 | DevilChaos | dpkg asks to put /dev/sda1 or 0 into fstab so i checked in /dev/ dir to see if it is there and it isnt where do i go from here? |
| 11:10.13 | dpkg | DevilChaos: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:10.35 | simonrvn | MAKEDEV sd |
| 11:10.36 | itchi | tralala: It's on |
| 11:10.40 | simonrvn | cd /dev first |
| 11:10.48 | concept10 | simonrvn, okay, i havent installed yet and I was about to compile |
| 11:10.57 | war95 | there is your inotify |
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| 11:11.01 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.03 | war95 | LinuxHelp: . |
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| 11:11.22 | simonrvn | press y in menuconfig to enjoy that driver ;) |
| 11:11.24 | LinuxHelp | er |
| 11:11.45 | LinuxHelp | just lemme find cifs 1st |
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| 11:12.04 | simonrvn | under filesystems, networked |
| 11:12.15 | war95 | you can use stats |
| 11:12.23 | war95 | probably don't need extended though or experimental |
| 11:12.32 | tralala | itchi: does your terminal beep? |
| 11:12.50 | LinuxHelp | okay now for inotify |
| 11:12.51 | war95 | LinuxHelp: so far so good |
| 11:13.02 | itchi | tralala: With the /beep i hear a bell, so it's been working |
| 11:13.10 | war95 | LinuxHelp: now |
| 11:13.16 | simonrvn | itchi: *beep* *beep* |
| 11:13.21 | war95 | LinuxHelp: now there is something special you need to do for the sensor part |
| 11:13.22 | LinuxHelp | is that all the inotify? |
| 11:13.25 | war95 | yes |
| 11:13.27 | simonrvn | !hilight itchi |
| 11:13.34 | war95 | LinuxHelp: basically we need to compile all the sensors as modules |
| 11:13.34 | itchi | *beep* |
| 11:13.47 | war95 | LinuxHelp: to figure out which ones we need to compile in statically [after] we figure out which ones it uses |
| 11:13.50 | war95 | so find the i2c part |
| 11:13.56 | itchi | But still not make beep :-/ |
| 11:13.56 | aeolus | If I am installing Debian as a server, do I only need CD image #1? |
| 11:14.03 | LinuxHelp | er |
| 11:14.06 | war95 | hit yes |
| 11:14.06 | LinuxHelp | yes |
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| 11:14.11 | coywolf | gdm broken? |
| 11:14.13 | coywolf | !gdm |
| 11:14.14 | tralala | itchi: beep_msg_level should be HILIGHT (with caps) |
| 11:14.14 | dpkg | i heard gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 11:14.14 | itchi | tralala: Looks like /beep no more make beep here :-/ |
| 11:14.15 | simonrvn | aeolus: regardless of the install |
| 11:14.29 | aeolus | What are the other 13 images for? |
| 11:14.33 | simonrvn | install type i mean |
| 11:14.38 | aeolus | k |
| 11:14.40 | simonrvn | the whole of sarge |
| 11:14.49 | tralala | itchi: well, there you go. Try a terminal that actually beeps |
| 11:14.50 | coywolf | !gdm fix |
| 11:14.50 | aeolus | I see |
| 11:14.51 | dpkg | gdm fix is probably comment the line in /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome that starts with sshagent (around line 94), or downgrade to a working libssl0.9.6 |
| 11:14.57 | concept10 | its up in nebraska? |
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| 11:15.28 | aeolus | i notice debian and ubuntu have a lot in common |
| 11:15.30 | itchi | tralala: /set beep_msg_level give 'on'. Yesterday the /beep worked :-/ here in that gnome-terminal :-/ Strange. What did i now?? :-/ |
| 11:15.41 | simonrvn | yeh, sarge decided to go on a vacation.. chill out with the local brothers and sisters |
| 11:15.48 | war95 | LinuxHelp: modularize all i2c stuff |
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| 11:15.57 | war95 | algorithms |
| 11:16.02 | war95 | and hardwar bus suport |
| 11:16.06 | Stork | hi, how do i add a new user in debian? |
| 11:16.12 | simonrvn | aeolus: ubuntu started off with a lot of debian sid... they exchange info and patches and stuff a lot |
| 11:16.13 | war95 | Stork: adduser bob |
| 11:16.27 | war95 | LinuxHelp: make them all modules |
| 11:16.28 | simonrvn | aeolus: often the same package maintainers |
| 11:16.33 | aeolus | nice, does the partnership still continue between the two to date? |
| 11:16.51 | war95 | LinuxHelp: because we'll statically compile-in the correct ones after |
| 11:16.57 | war95 | LinuxHelp: you need to make them all modules |
| 11:17.02 | war95 | LinuxHelp: because that might not be ther right one |
| 11:17.04 | simonrvn | yup. nice part of ubuntu is that some debian people get paid to do what they like, work on FOSS |
| 11:17.07 | LinuxHelp | did I leave anything out? |
| 11:17.13 | tralala | itchi: beep_msg_level doesn't take on or off - it takes a list of events |
| 11:17.23 | DevilChaos | power:/dev# mount /mnt/usb |
| 11:17.23 | DevilChaos | mount: special device /dev/sd does not exist |
| 11:17.23 | DevilChaos | power:/dev# |
| 11:17.27 | war95 | check algorithms |
| 11:17.35 | itchi | tralala: I have set it to /set beep_msg_level HILIGHT now |
| 11:17.35 | war95 | k |
| 11:17.35 | aeolus | yeah i do notice the two have very similar installer programs |
| 11:17.37 | war95 | and check misc |
| 11:17.46 | war95 | eeprom |
| 11:18.00 | war95 | eeprom=module |
| 11:18.02 | petrov | !whatis lamp |
| 11:18.09 | war95 | exit then go to the second hardware sensor menu |
| 11:18.16 | itchi | petrov: Try '/msg dpkg selftell' |
| 11:18.22 | tralala | itchi: great! Now everything that you need is a beeping terminal. |
| 11:18.26 | war95 | yup |
| 11:18.26 | LinuxHelp | ? |
| 11:18.34 | war95 | modularize all that stuff |
| 11:18.41 | war95 | the top one |
| 11:18.43 | war95 | and then |
| 11:18.46 | war95 | all the winbonds |
| 11:18.47 | itchi | tralala: Yeah, you have help me many, i think now it's that terminal issue :-/ |
| 11:18.54 | war95 | and the lm* and compatibles |
| 11:19.19 | war95 | some intel chips |
| 11:19.22 | war95 | use the lm* |
| 11:19.24 | war95 | but not sure which |
| 11:19.33 | war95 | and make HW monitoring support = M |
| 11:19.33 | LinuxHelp | I dont see any intel chips 8/ |
| 11:19.45 | war95 | yes, add the LM modules |
| 11:19.48 | simonrvn | aeolus: same one at the core |
| 11:19.50 | war95 | National Semiconductor |
| 11:19.59 | itchi | petrov: You can talk in private with the bot, so that you not disturb people here. Translation. Je kan in privee met de bot spreken zodat je hier niet onnodig mensen ambeteerd. In privee gesprek zien ze niet wat je doet. Hier wel |
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| 11:20.13 | war95 | LinuxHelp: looks god |
| 11:20.19 | LinuxHelp | thx |
| 11:20.20 | war95 | LinuxHelp: now exit->save |
| 11:20.30 | war95 | LinuxHelp: then ./ik* -f -i |
| 11:20.35 | war95 | in the dir above |
| 11:21.01 | LinuxHelp | just writing a note quick |
| 11:21.04 | war95 | ok |
| 11:21.43 | war95 | yup |
| 11:22.02 | war95 | thenw when thats done I usually run lilo just to see the new version is added |
| 11:22.03 | shelika | can anyone tell me when linux-kbuild-2.6.17 will be availabe? *burp* |
| 11:22.17 | itchi | tralala: On another terminal, xterm it also no more work, i think i have forget another thing :-/ |
| 11:22.40 | itchi | tralala: Or probably i have desactivate or mess it up |
| 11:22.46 | aeolus | bye thank you |
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| 11:24.04 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.45 | DevilChaos | it relly should just be seen as a memorypen drive |
| 11:24.50 | DevilChaos | really |
| 11:25.47 | DevilChaos | but isnt i read in google that iriver has made it that way for windblows bill gates is an asshole |
| 11:27.12 | blondie | DevilChaos: that would be the manufacturer's fault, not microsoft's |
| 11:27.41 | DevilChaos | yeah but they they still made the deal with micropish though didnt they |
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| 11:27.52 | war95 | LinuxHelp: you can compare with uname -a |
| 11:27.58 | blondie | DevilChaos: did they? |
| 11:28.39 | DevilChaos | must have to have software to run on windblows they need a sertificate |
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| 11:30.16 | DevilChaos | thanks for help anyway much appreciated :) |
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| 11:32.22 | itchi | tralala: I guess i set somethings others wrong, like the /beep no more work to :-/ |
| 11:32.57 | itchi | How can i test the beep in an terminal? |
| 11:33.05 | war95 | echo -e '\a' |
| 11:33.30 | itchi | war95: Thanks, and it did the beep :-) |
| 11:33.36 | war95 | np. |
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| 11:35.53 | war95 | LinuxHelp: screen -x |
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| 11:36.26 | war95 | LinuxHelp: type sensors-detect |
| 11:36.32 | war95 | and answer yes to all questions |
| 11:37.02 | ghost_adsf | Anyone know a good dist-upgrade howto? I am having a slight issue moving to etch. :) |
| 11:37.03 | war95 | no |
| 11:37.05 | war95 | at the last one |
| 11:37.14 | war95 | now |
| 11:37.15 | war95 | sec |
| 11:37.23 | war95 | crap it kind of went off the screen |
| 11:37.24 | war95 | but we see |
| 11:37.27 | war95 | i2c-isa, lm85, eeprom |
| 11:37.32 | war95 | type sensors -f |
| 11:37.43 | war95 | hmm |
| 11:37.54 | shogunx | q |
| 11:38.00 | shogunx | oops |
| 11:40.20 | LinuxHelp | nvidia i2c, is my graphics card |
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| 11:41.53 | [TACO] | LinuxHelp: discover video |
| 11:42.32 | war95 | you can do it faster than me |
| 11:42.33 | war95 | make them all M |
| 11:43.00 | war95 | looks good |
| 11:43.10 | war95 | recompile now |
| 11:43.34 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.36 | war95 | lower case |
| 11:43.36 | war95 | k |
| 11:43.41 | MoDaX | ghost_adsf: just state your problem |
| 11:45.35 | LinuxHelp | version didnt increase |
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| 11:45.56 | [TACO] | LinuxHelp: `discover video' :P |
| 11:46.12 | LinuxHelp | bash: discover: command not found |
| 11:46.33 | war95 | LinuxHelp: btw |
| 11:46.38 | war95 | LinuxHelp: why did you want inotify support? |
| 11:46.50 | [TACO] | both package `discover1' needs to be installed |
| 11:46.56 | LinuxHelp | war95, gnome gave me a warning 8/ |
| 11:47.01 | war95 | ah |
| 11:47.04 | war95 | I use KDE, no errors here. |
| 11:47.08 | itchi | ghost_adsf: What trouble have you in the upgrade phase? |
| 11:47.10 | [TACO] | same |
| 11:47.32 | [TACO] | kde is env of choice |
| 11:47.38 | ghost_adsf | MoDaX: Well, I just installed Debian and need to upgrade to etch. I'm on a second install as the first upgrade kinda botched midway thru or so. I believe on udev with a kernel conflict. I couldn't figure a way past that issue as the on-screen suggestion didn't work. |
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| 11:48.55 | MoDaX | ghost_adsf: you need to upgrade a kernel before you upgrade udev |
| 11:49.03 | LinuxHelp | war95, so the -f option you left out |
| 11:49.05 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 11:49.11 | war95 | LinuxHelp: noramlyl you don't need to |
| 11:49.11 | LinuxHelp | does that mean -fast? |
| 11:49.14 | war95 | LinuxHelp: yeah |
| 11:49.40 | itchi | ghost_adsf: Need you first to install that newer kernel because udev require it? I remember that he show you how you need to proceed it |
| 11:49.59 | [TACO] | ghost_adsf: using default kernel in the install? try with linux26 at bootup |
| 11:50.22 | MoDaX | [TACO]: that won't help. 2.6.8 is not enough |
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| 11:50.36 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 11:50.45 | dazjorz | I'm downloading Debians' DVD images using Jigdo |
| 11:50.51 | itchi | ghost_adsf: Look good where he fail, scroll a bit back, you need to do some thing. I not remember what exactly but dpkg tell it you |
| 11:50.54 | [TACO] | MoDaX: thats bad then |
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| 11:51.08 | dazjorz | but wget is making trouble every once in a while |
| 11:51.08 | sneex | how can I control the color depth of my display ? The xorg.conf file isnt being honored |
| 11:51.36 | dazjorz | it says "Finished --13:47:04-- Downloaded: 11,756,784 bytes in 5 files" and then just hangs |
| 11:52.18 | ghost_adsf | Thanks for the suggestions guys. Is there an easy way to search for kernel packages with apt-get? I have to admit its been awhile since I used a debian system and I didn't see an option under 'apt-get -h' |
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| 11:52.22 | dazjorz | it says "Wget [100%] http://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian/pool/main/n/netpanzer-data/netpanzer-data_0.8-1_all.deb" in the task bar |
| 11:52.51 | dazjorz | untill now I just cancelled, rerun jigdo and let it continue |
| 11:52.58 | dazjorz | but i wondered, is there a better way ? |
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| 11:53.26 | itchi | ghost_adsf: apt-cache search <pkg> |
| 11:54.12 | MoDaX | dazjorz: you did the right thing |
| 11:54.22 | dazjorz | okay :) |
| 11:54.40 | MoDaX | dazjorz: you won't need to redownload already downloaded debs |
| 11:54.53 | ghost_adsf | itchi: thanks :) |
| 11:55.28 | dazjorz | I'm on Windows, by the way |
| 11:55.31 | dazjorz | just so you know |
| 11:55.42 | chemaja | anyone here played with demudi, specifically, installing tasks via aptitude (not tasksel)? -- for my sarge system, demudi tasks appear in tasksel but not aptitude |
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| 12:10.58 | dazjorz | jigdo is great! |
| 12:12.01 | abrotman | jigdo? |
| 12:12.14 | yang | why is the new apt-get update being so messy - updaing to 300 .diffs |
| 12:12.34 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 12:12.35 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. |
| 12:13.41 | dazjorz | apt++ |
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| 12:14.36 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 12:14.39 | dazjorz | how to get this new version of apt? |
| 12:14.49 | dazjorz | apt-get update says that Packages files were updated |
| 12:15.03 | itchi | dazjorz: It's in Etch |
| 12:15.07 | dazjorz | but apt-get upgrade says that everything is still new |
| 12:15.09 | dazjorz | ah |
| 12:15.10 | dazjorz | right |
| 12:15.22 | dazjorz | Sarge = stable, Etch = unstable and Sid = testing? |
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| 12:15.48 | itchi | dazjorz: Etch = Testing, sid always keep that name and are unstable |
| 12:16.02 | dazjorz | ah |
| 12:16.23 | itchi | dazjorz: Then next one stable release are called Etch, what now are Testing. From right to left it move |
| 12:16.28 | dazjorz | new packages enter Debian through testing first, then they move on to unstable and eventually they go to stable right? |
| 12:16.39 | dazjorz | ah |
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| 12:16.45 | dazjorz | so the current stable is Sarge |
| 12:16.46 | itchi | dazjorz: No first to unstalbe, then testing ... |
| 12:16.51 | dazjorz | ah |
| 12:16.59 | itchi | dazjorz: Current stable Sarge, yes |
| 12:16.59 | dazjorz | I only used sarge till now |
| 12:17.05 | dazjorz | Current stable is Sarge |
| 12:17.22 | dazjorz | Sid is now unstable and will be the next stable? |
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| 12:17.31 | dazjorz | and then Etch will become stable and eventually the stable after that |
| 12:17.31 | abrotman | no |
| 12:17.33 | itchi | dazjorz: Try it in an virtual computer like with qemu or so ;-) |
| 12:17.36 | abrotman | sid is ALWAYS unstable |
| 12:17.40 | dazjorz | ah |
| 12:17.49 | dazjorz | =/ |
| 12:18.12 | itchi | dazjorz: Unstable (sid) still leave there where hi is, only Testing an Stable move |
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| 12:18.14 | abrotman | !releases |
| 12:18.15 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. |
| 12:18.21 | dazjorz | Okay |
| 12:18.24 | dazjorz | thanks, abrotma |
| 12:18.25 | dazjorz | +n |
| 12:20.08 | dazjorz | so every release of Debian has a version (e.g. 3.1 for sarge), a codename, and is always 'stable' |
| 12:20.36 | wols | yes |
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| 12:20.57 | dazjorz | and for every release, a new 'testing' codename (and version?) is also made? |
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| 12:22.13 | Leira | my aptitude cannot show debtags |
| 12:22.43 | tralala | dazjorz: I strongly suspect this is explained at debian.org |
| 12:22.50 | dazjorz | yea, tralala, i'm reading that |
| 12:23.02 | dazjorz | - |
| 12:23.14 | dazjorz | I'm going to install Debian on my laptop once I have it (which will be in about two weeks) |
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| 12:24.12 | dazjorz | is it recommended to use testing, even if I want to have the newest version of a package that's relatively bug-free? |
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| 12:24.34 | dazjorz | I'd like as bug-free as possible, but versions are kind of important |
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| 12:27.49 | kyncani | dazjorz: debian stable is bug-free, or try ubuntu if you want slightly more up to date packages |
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| 12:28.03 | dazjorz | yeah, i'm using debian-stable on my server |
| 12:28.22 | dazjorz | but i'd like more up to date packages |
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| 12:28.54 | dazjorz | I've tried both ubuntu and debian on my own PC, but I like debian better |
| 12:28.59 | abrotman | dazjorz: things break .. sometimes badly .. there was a guy in here last night running etch for his mail server .. and something upgraded and now he can't login to IMAP anymore |
| 12:29.02 | dazjorz | I don't know wh |
| 12:29.05 | dazjorz | why** |
| 12:29.24 | dazjorz | abrotman, it's just a simple laptop, not a server |
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| 12:29.39 | dazjorz | my server is always debian-stable, won't change that |
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| 12:30.47 | kyncani | some current issues with testing : http://wiki.debian.org/StatusOfTesting |
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| 12:34.28 | kyncani | mmh, this page has replaced it http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
| 12:34.38 | TARZEAU | abrotman: i found www.ri-li.org ! |
| 12:35.03 | abrotman | this is good? |
| 12:35.11 | TARZEAU | abrotman: BEST EVER GAME |
| 12:35.41 | abrotman | better than ... robotfindskitten? |
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| 12:35.47 | TARZEAU | abrotman: indeed! |
| 12:35.51 | asg | TARZEAU: are you in DOS mode? |
| 12:36.04 | TARZEAU | asg: i'm in windows |
| 12:36.41 | abrotman | dont' worry asg .. i got the joke |
| 12:36.51 | TARZEAU | abrotman: i'm in level 10! |
| 12:36.57 | TARZEAU | asg: i got it too |
| 12:37.01 | asg | abrotman: either that or he logged in as ROOT |
| 12:37.14 | asg | s/ROOT/TARZEAU/ |
| 12:37.18 | abrotman | asg: he's been like that for days |
| 12:37.36 | asg | abrotman: ouch |
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| 12:38.23 | abrotman | asg: look in #-ot .. sometime around the time i CAPSed greycat for something |
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| 12:39.17 | asg | abrotman: 11:09 < abrotman> if only greycat had an HPC (all I can find in my /lastlog) |
| 12:39.28 | abrotman | TARZEAU: you could even have Ben add it to debian-jr |
| 12:39.43 | abrotman | asg: must be older .. from like wednesday or something |
| 12:39.48 | TARZEAU | abrotman: yeah! |
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| 12:40.02 | abrotman | asg: i think you got cycled since then |
| 12:40.07 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
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| 12:44.36 | lelu | if adduser adds users what is the command for removing users? |
| 12:44.47 | lelu | because ive tried all sorts of combinations and none are vaild commands |
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| 12:45.02 | l0git3ch | hello all |
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| 12:45.38 | wols | deluser |
| 12:45.41 | l0git3ch | i have a problem to load LOOP module. I have error: FATAL: Module loop not found. |
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| 12:48.30 | l0git3ch | and i have active module in: Devices drivers -> block devices -> loopback device support and cryptoloop support [M] |
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| 12:49.07 | tralala | l0git3ch: try a debian kernel |
| 12:49.10 | lelu | hello? if adduser adds users what is the command for removing users? |
| 12:49.34 | pontar | deluser |
| 12:49.34 | l0git3ch | [14:43:51] <wols> deluser |
| 12:49.35 | tralala | lelu: when you ask a question you might keep an eye on the channel for the answer |
| 12:49.52 | l0git3ch | anyone for my problem ? |
| 12:50.09 | lelu | thanks wols |
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| 12:50.19 | tralala | 15:51 < tralala> l0git3ch: try a debian kernel |
| 12:50.21 | l0git3ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.21 | l0git3ch | FATAL: Module aes not found. |
| 12:50.22 | qwertz_ | Hi, the php-pear package in sarge seems not able to connect to the pear repository - is there any workaround? |
| 12:50.23 | lelu | tralala: sorry... i dont notice things unless my name is highlighted |
| 12:50.47 | kyncani | kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko |
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| 12:51.09 | cahoot | l0git3ch: did you at least use make-kpkg to create the kernel? |
| 12:51.30 | l0git3ch | no it's a dedicated server |
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| 12:52.00 | cahoot | l0git3ch: no success if you run depmod -a? |
| 12:52.24 | l0git3ch | no nothing |
| 12:52.48 | cahoot | l0git3ch: do the modules actually exist? |
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| 12:53.50 | l0git3ch | i have active module in: Devices drivers -> block devices -> loopback device support and cryptoloop support [M] - well i must exist no ? |
| 12:54.01 | lelu | im trying to set up a simple irc bot that sits there does nothing but log... but can i find one that isnt bloated? no |
| 12:54.19 | lelu | anyone know of any simple bots? |
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| 12:57.38 | cahoot | l0git3ch: find /lib -name loop.ko |
| 12:58.30 | l0git3ch | ./lib/modules/2.6.15.6_dedibox_r0/kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko |
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| 13:00.03 | l0git3ch | mabe i must to compile a new kernel ?? |
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| 13:00.42 | l0git3ch | *maybe |
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| 13:05.38 | abrotman | what a horrible nick |
| 13:06.12 | dvs | abrotman: then change it ;-) |
| 13:07.29 | abrotman | not mine |
| 13:08.07 | blondie | who? |
| 13:08.24 | abrotman | who has the goofy looking nick? |
| 13:08.27 | CHodapp | ME! |
| 13:08.34 | asg | !nickometer l0git3ch |
| 13:08.36 | dpkg | 'l0git3ch' is 37.000% lame, asg |
| 13:08.44 | CHodapp | !nickometer CHodapp |
| 13:08.45 | dpkg | 'CHodapp' is 14.000% lame, chodapp |
| 13:08.57 | CHodapp | !nickometer l0git3ch |
| 13:08.59 | dpkg | 'l0git3ch' is 37.000% lame, chodapp |
| 13:09.03 | blondie | !botrape |
| 13:09.03 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 13:09.12 | CHodapp | !waffles |
| 13:09.13 | dpkg | make waffles && make syrup && fork(waffles) |
| 13:09.18 | CHodapp | YES |
| 13:09.19 | abrotman | CHodapp: stop please |
| 13:09.25 | Cybodog | I am looking at setting up cpufreq scaling in my laptop, but the only way I know to do it is with powernowd. How does ubuntu do it? |
| 13:09.38 | asg | Cybodog: ask #ubuntu how they do it |
| 13:09.39 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu ? |
| 13:09.51 | blondie | I thought that was a hardware thing |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | it's not a debian question |
| 13:10.04 | blondie | (the CPU did it itself) |
| 13:10.11 | Cybodog | well, that would work, let me change the question: what other ways are there, what is better then another? |
| 13:10.21 | Cybodog | blondie, not that I now of |
| 13:10.21 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 13:10.32 | lelu | lol |
| 13:10.33 | lelu | Determines whether the bot will be allowed to run as root. You do not want this. Do not do it. Even if |
| 13:10.33 | lelu | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.38 | lelu | im glad thay make that clear |
| 13:10.55 | blondie | but they provide the option anyway? |
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| 13:11.12 | abrotman | Cybodog: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:11.41 | Cybodog | blondie, your cpu has to be able to do it, but you can set it up userspace or not, so you can switch it. |
| 13:11.50 | wols | blondie: you can run any progam as root so they have an option which is by default set that disallows it |
| 13:11.57 | wols | just like ssh has one for non-root logins |
| 13:12.15 | blondie | wols: well, you can't run apache as root unless you compile it to allow it |
| 13:12.39 | blondie | (i.e. it detects it's running as root and won't run) |
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| 13:13.38 | MoDaX | Cybodog: powersaved |
| 13:13.46 | Cybodog | abrotman, what is the expected output of that? |
| 13:13.54 | MoDaX | Cybodog: the best you can get |
| 13:13.55 | abrotman | you tell me |
| 13:13.59 | abrotman | should be one line |
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| 13:14.10 | syntaxx | i use gnome-font-properties to adjust the application font is there a way i can use this everytime i boot without running the gnome-font? |
| 13:14.16 | blondie | abrotman: unless tail is buggy |
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| 13:14.38 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 13:14.39 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and gtk-theme-switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 13:14.42 | blondie | compiled your own kernel? are you using gentoo? ;) |
| 13:15.00 | Cybodog | abrotman it lists GNU C library; sahred libs |
| 13:15.08 | LinuxHelp | rythymbox can read from my ipod, but is there any linux app that can write to it? |
| 13:15.17 | abrotman | paste the line in here |
| 13:15.24 | MoDaX | !gtk2 font size |
| 13:15.39 | abrotman | !gtk2 font |
| 13:15.40 | dpkg | from memory, gtk2 font is to change the default font, add something like "gtk-font-name = "Verdana 12"" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0, or try gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 13:15.41 | Cybodog | blondie, no needed to select my cpu type in cpu freq |
| 13:15.45 | MoDaX | i see |
| 13:15.55 | Cybodog | abrotman ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:15.56 | abrotman | don't ask me why it's like that |
| 13:16.13 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 13:16.14 | dpkg | cpufreq is, like, a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 13:16.39 | Cybodog | ahhh |
| 13:16.54 | MoDaX | the info is obsole. cpufreq stuff is now in /sys |
| 13:16.56 | Cybodog | so powernowd or cpudyn is just a choice to run |
| 13:17.03 | abrotman | so fix it wussy! |
| 13:17.24 | abrotman | MoDaX: in /sys/ ? |
| 13:17.28 | abrotman | or /proc/sys/ ? |
| 13:18.08 | Cybodog | abrotman, did you just get me to do a debian check? was that what the libc check was? |
| 13:18.10 | MoDaX | abrotman: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 13:18.36 | abrotman | Cybodog: you'll never know .. but at least you have your answer |
| 13:18.50 | Cybodog | lol |
| 13:18.58 | Cybodog | that is an aswwer |
| 13:18.58 | abrotman | MoDaX: why not in /proc/ with the rest of the weird stuff? |
| 13:19.35 | abrotman | i don't have cpufreq .. damn P4 |
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| 13:20.13 | Cybodog | I have one amd64 that does not step at all |
| 13:20.24 | MoDaX | abrotman: /proc has never been meant for tha |
| 13:20.25 | abrotman | worst part .. it's a laptop :) |
| 13:20.39 | abrotman | MoDaX: yeah ..but it's used for lots of things it wasn't intended for :) |
| 13:20.48 | MoDaX | Cybodog: cool&quiet |
| 13:21.13 | MoDaX | Cybodog: modprobe powernow_k8 |
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| 13:22.28 | MoDaX | abrotman: so now we have /sys and /proc is much less abused :) |
| 13:23.31 | Cybodog | MoDaX, thanks but I compiled it as a K7 thinking since I compiled the kernel as a k7 (32bit) that would work. |
| 13:24.39 | blondie | i have a turion... i dont know if the cpu whatsit thing work |
| 13:24.40 | blondie | s |
| 13:24.54 | MoDaX | Cybodog: the module should be there anyway |
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| 13:25.30 | Cybodog | so, any "best" methods of enacting cpu freq scaling aside from powernowd, MoDax not here not found, blonde yes it should work, k7 or k8, have to play with it. |
| 13:25.54 | MoDaX | I have powersaving working quite well on my turion. debian amd64 here |
| 13:26.00 | Cybodog | I mean I have to recompile to fix my blunder, so before I do that I was just wondering about a better way |
| 13:26.38 | MoDaX | Cybodog: cpufreq_ondemand is pretty good |
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| 13:27.11 | Cybodog | I will look it over |
| 13:27.24 | wols | Cybodog: it will only work on "mobile" K7s. Not normal ones. |
| 13:27.38 | Cybodog | oh, that is a kernel setting, is it not MoDaX |
| 13:27.57 | Cybodog | wols, I lost the pronoun there "it"? |
| 13:28.13 | CHodapp | I'm about to try a netinstall of Debian... I'm curious how it compares to Slackware |
| 13:28.20 | MoDaX | Cybodog: yes, its a kernel module |
| 13:28.25 | Cybodog | blondie, Gentoo, becuse you have the time! tm |
| 13:28.29 | blondie | CHodapp: no idead how it compares, but it's fine |
| 13:28.37 | blondie | Cybodog: I'm impatient |
| 13:28.41 | blondie | -d |
| 13:28.42 | MoDaX | Cybodog: it managed cpufreq based on cpu load in the kernel |
| 13:28.50 | LinuxHelp | my "sensors" command works, and I've set the temp thresholds correctly, but how do I make my pc call the "halt" command whenever there is an "ALERT" displayed for sensors? |
| 13:28.51 | MoDaX | Cybodog: no need for userspace daemon |
| 13:28.57 | Cybodog | moDax so it is automatic? |
| 13:29.03 | MoDaX | Cybodog: yes |
| 13:29.24 | Cybodog | that realy was what I was looking for, but for some reason that does not work on the stock kernel image. |
| 13:29.43 | Cybodog | so I moved to powernowd |
| 13:29.44 | MoDaX | Cybodog: are you using sarge? |
| 13:29.44 | Cybodog | sid |
| 13:29.55 | MoDaX | Cybodog: then there should be _ondemand module |
| 13:30.05 | Cybodog | there is, but now I have to add it back in |
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| 13:30.23 | LinuxHelp | I mean I could write the demon myself.. |
| 13:30.25 | CHodapp | blondie, my main concern is that my Internet connection stays up long enough to download everything if I do a netinstall. |
| 13:30.37 | MoDaX | Cybodog: what does cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor say? |
| 13:30.39 | LinuxHelp | but surely there is a built-in method? (debs testing) |
| 13:30.44 | Cybodog | through trial and error, I removed everything that did not work, like a year ago |
| 13:31.06 | blondie | CHodapp: what kind of connection? is it via ethernet? |
| 13:31.21 | Cybodog | MoDaX, hold on diff box, did not want to config xchat on that new install yet |
| 13:31.59 | CHodapp | blondie, well, (madwifi) wireless, but I can probably do it by Ethernet if I need to, which I suspect I will. The main issue is that my ISP sucks. |
| 13:32.21 | Cybodog | MoDaX, no such dir or file |
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| 13:32.39 | MoDaX | Cybodog: anyways, if you want to use ondemand, modprove cpufreq_ondemand && echo "ondemand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (provided you have correct cpu scaling drivers loaded for your cpu) |
| 13:32.59 | blondie | CHodapp: i dont think netinstall supports wifi |
| 13:33.09 | MoDaX | s/modprove/modprobe/ |
| 13:33.15 | Cybodog | coolness mocax, will do |
| 13:33.18 | blondie | CHodapp: you can just do a basic install at first, then add other stuff later |
| 13:33.22 | Cybodog | modax= mocax |
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| 13:34.16 | MoDaX | Cybodog: which desktop environment are you using? |
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| 13:34.28 | Cybodog | modax, I am using mostly xfce4 |
| 13:34.43 | Cybodog | gnome if I want to look at the cpufreq app |
| 13:34.57 | MoDaX | Cybodog: for kde, I would highly recommend powersaved and kpowersave. dunno for gnome |
| 13:34.58 | Cybodog | I run gkrellm to read system info |
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| 13:35.19 | CHodapp | blondie, so I should get something larger than the netinst disc? |
| 13:35.25 | MoDaX | deals with cpufreq, ac etc. nicely |
| 13:35.31 | Cybodog | in the past powersaved has always worked. I was just wondering if I was taking the less elequent way out |
| 13:36.02 | blondie | umm can debian be installed by booting a machine from ethernet instead of CD for netinstall? |
| 13:36.11 | Cybodog | everytime I reinstall debian, I have to trial and error untill I hit the correct mix again |
| 13:36.28 | CHodapp | that question for me? |
| 13:36.31 | MoDaX | Cybodog: powersaved uses "ondemand" ("Dynamic") by default. unlike powernowd, it does managed cpu frequency by itself |
| 13:36.39 | MoDaX | s/does/does not/ |
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| 13:37.26 | Cybodog | powersaved user space? |
| 13:37.34 | CHodapp | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/debian-testing-amd64-binary-1.iso.torrent . . . is this enough for a base system? Or what image do I need... |
| 13:38.35 | MoDaX | Cybodog: no. I meant I didn't manage cpufreq in userspace. |
| 13:39.05 | Cybodog | modax but you use powersaved and ondemand, is that right? |
| 13:39.29 | blondie | abrotman: halp! |
| 13:39.36 | abrotman | ? |
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| 13:39.52 | abrotman | with what? |
| 13:40.02 | abrotman | blondie: you can install via ethernet |
| 13:40.20 | blondie | booting from ethernet? |
| 13:40.47 | blondie | the netinstall instructions tell you to use a CD or floppy disks to boot with :( |
| 13:41.13 | CHodapp | Question for all of you... can I just grab CD 1, install that, boot my other distro to grab Madwifi packages (and dependencies) and then boot back to base Debian and install Madwifi and get online and download the rest? |
| 13:41.56 | dvs | CHodapp: You'd only need the CD the first time. |
| 13:42.12 | MoDaX | Cybodog: ok. there are 4 types of scaling govenors in the kernel: userspace, ondemand, powersave, performance. the only thing powersaved does is that it allows to switch among the latter three govenors easily. everything else does the kernel itself |
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| 13:42.32 | wols | CHodapp: madwifi is packaged in debian |
| 13:42.41 | CHodapp | wols, but on the 1st CD? |
| 13:42.56 | CHodapp | wols, the point is that I can't get online until I've gotten madwifi up and running |
| 13:42.57 | wols | no clue. also depends on the CD you get |
| 13:43.00 | blondie | abrotman: ok the installation manual seems more helpful |
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| 13:43.51 | MoDaX | Cybodog: and powersaved is not just about cpufreq. it's a lot mode (suspend, AC, battery etc.). It's a complete powersaving solution |
| 13:44.07 | MoDaX | a must have for laptops |
| 13:44.13 | MoDaX | imho |
| 13:45.21 | Cybodog | modax now we have gotten to the crux of the matter (no pun intended refurning to Crux linux) |
| 13:45.29 | Cybodog | I will google |
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| 13:46.06 | Cybodog | I was having a hard time narrowing the search |
| 13:48.15 | CHodapp | pfft, coffee |
| 13:48.24 | CHodapp | Ok, I'll just grab CD 1 and figure stuff out from there |
| 13:48.27 | MoDaX | Cybodog: you don't need to be a geek to install powersaved and its gui frontend. everything else is done for you automagically :) |
| 13:48.36 | Cybodog | CHodapp, what do you use, straight beens? |
| 13:49.12 | CHodapp | Cybodog, caffeine does nothing for me... and if I tried to drink hot coffee in the morning I'd probably end up swimming in it or trying to put it on my cereal or put it my lunch or something. |
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| 13:49.45 | CHodapp | "Cup... hot brown liquid... is it like a shower? Why is it brown? I don't understand..." |
| 13:50.11 | Cybodog | CHodapp, truth be told, prob. much better off with out it. steady rest and exercise is much better then stimulants |
| 13:50.31 | CHodapp | In the morning I also face problems like "You are sitting on your bed in your pajamas. There is a work uniform on the floor, and shoes in your closet. The alarm clock has some symbols on it. What do you do?" |
| 13:50.47 | CHodapp | And it takes me at least 20 minutes to solve that, like it's a complex math problem or something. |
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| 13:51.27 | Cybodog | oh, I am there every day!! |
| 13:51.50 | LinuxHelp | I'm moving from Outlook 2003 to well, something that runs on linux: Is there any mail client that can read Outlook.pst files, or is there a client that can read the .csv it can export? |
| 13:52.11 | LinuxHelp | Not that I can imagine my entire mail archive as a csv file but anyway |
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| 13:52.33 | CHodapp | I'm seeing an "Outlook Express" import option in KMail |
| 13:52.53 | Cybodog | LinuxHelp, most linux gui clients can import the cvs |
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| 13:53.42 | asg | LinuxHelp: another option is to setup a temp IMAP server, connect to it with outlook, copy the mail, then grab it with whichever imap supported linux mail client you want to use. |
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| 13:54.07 | minerale | anyone know if nmap scans all ports? My host moved the ssh port to something else and I can't seem to figure out how to find it |
| 13:54.20 | asg | minerale: it doesn't. use -p1-65535 |
| 13:54.29 | minerale | ah, thanks |
| 13:54.32 | LinuxHelp | asg, thats sounds good |
| 13:54.56 | asg | LinuxHelp: it's a little more involved and a bit slower but provides more options |
| 13:56.06 | LinuxHelp | whats the standard gnome email client? |
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| 13:56.14 | asg | LinuxHelp: evolution |
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| 13:58.30 | LinuxHelp | asg, k I'll try that and check if theres a .pst import option 1st |
| 13:58.54 | asg | LinuxHelp: if your mail is stored in Exchange, evolution can connect directly |
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| 14:09.52 | datrus_ | does anyone know how to install a package (udev) and replace the old files in /etc (/etc/udev/). I installed a new version of udev but apparently my old config files are still in /etc which causes udev to complain because the syntax of config files has changed |
| 14:10.38 | lelu | anyone here know how to set up a init.d script for supybot? |
| 14:10.47 | lelu | google is no help at all |
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| 14:11.02 | asg | lelu: /etc/init.d/skeleton (use that as an example) |
| 14:11.04 | blondie | yay the sarge netinstall CD FAILED |
| 14:11.05 | blondie | :( |
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| 14:13.41 | blondie | grrr |
| 14:13.50 | sigma957 | datrus: mine does that too, just ignore it. My system works fine |
| 14:13.54 | blondie | umount: /target/dev/pts: Invalid argument |
| 14:14.23 | lelu | supybot has had to have been used like this for years... so why cant i find sample init.d scripts for it on the net... i dont really want to have to write my onw |
| 14:14.33 | stew | datrus_: /msg dpkg fresh udev config |
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| 14:15.25 | blondie | then it does the same for /target/dev/shm and /target/proc/bus/usb... what's that all about |
| 14:16.15 | stew | blondie: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 14:16.27 | blondie | install using Sarge netinstall CD |
| 14:16.42 | blondie | it starts copying files from the CD then comes up with a red screen |
| 14:17.02 | blondie | The debootstrap program exited with an error (Return value 1) |
| 14:17.20 | datrus_ | stew: ok thanks |
| 14:17.20 | blondie | and the above lines are in console 3 |
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| 14:25.26 | deebug | hi, i was using mutt on debian to compose a message. I lost my ssh connection while doing so. When I came back in, I see the old processes running, including the /tmp/mutt temporary file. Is there a way to recover it or attach to that running process? |
| 14:26.00 | deebug | (with the goal being to get the text of the e-mail that I was composing) |
| 14:26.52 | asg | deebug: see if /tmp/mutt/* contains a file with your edits. Also, in the future, run screen(1) so you can re-attach if you ssh connection drops |
| 14:27.20 | blondie | what group do you need to be in to burn CDs with cdrecord? I'm in "cdrom" (and have logged off/on since) but it says: |
| 14:27.23 | deebug | yeah, the file is there but it's 0 size. |
| 14:27.24 | blondie | Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root? |
| 14:27.26 | blondie | : Operation not permitted |
| 14:27.27 | blondie | (it works as root) |
| 14:27.40 | asg | deebug: that means you didn't save it while writing it |
| 14:27.50 | blondie | cdrecord isn't setuid root... should it be? |
| 14:28.05 | deebug | nope. I wasn't planning on losing my connection. :) |
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| 14:28.33 | deebug | oh well, I was hoping for a way to connect to the process to see the text. I can gdb it but that doesn't yield much useful result. |
| 14:28.34 | blondie | alias mutt="screen mutt" |
| 14:28.35 | blondie | :| |
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| 14:29.03 | deebug | yeah, everyone always says that 'screen is your friend' |
| 14:29.04 | deebug | :) |
| 14:31.10 | deebug | it's painful having to rewrite instructions for a windows user to use tortoise. :) |
| 14:31.11 | deebug | thanks for the suggestions though. |
| 14:31.18 | deebug | guess I'll bite the bullet |
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| 14:34.30 | ongeboren | hi, can i install debian packages without being root ? |
| 14:34.58 | blondie | no |
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| 14:35.54 | stew | ongeboren: only if the admin has given you sudo access |
| 14:36.51 | tmb | i have tried using xdebconfigurator in conjunction with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it refuses to write the configuration file.. is it putting it somewhere that i don't know? |
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| 14:38.15 | ongeboren | ok, fine. i'll try the sources untill the admin shows up. thanks. |
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| 14:39.30 | syntaxx | how can i make my gtk loads on startup? |
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| 14:40.03 | jarjar26 | Hi everybody .. i have do apt-dist upgrade and now i receive error on debconf : File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/FormEncode-0.5.1-py2.3.egg/formencode/formgen.py", line 1 SyntaxError : Invalide syntax .. |
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| 14:41.36 | lelu | how do i add it to do the following as start up? supybot /home/supybot/photojimmyace.conf -d |
| 14:42.12 | asg | lelu: use /etc/init.d/skeleton as an example. |
| 14:42.42 | lelu | asg: i tried that... it didnt like it |
| 14:42.42 | asg | syntaxx: install gdm |
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| 14:43.02 | asg | lelu: then figure out why and fix it. Look at the other /etc/init.d/* files for examples |
| 14:43.47 | syntaxx | asg, yeah i already installed gdm but when i login it backs to normal |
| 14:44.15 | asg | syntaxx: after you login at console and run '/etc/init.d/gdm start', does that work? |
| 14:44.34 | asg | lelu: for a quick deprecated way, /msg dpkg rc.boot |
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| 14:45.12 | syntaxx | asg, after login at console or after login at gdm? |
| 14:45.24 | asg | syntaxx: at console, you said gdm didn't come up |
| 14:45.40 | syntaxx | asg, no what i mean is the gtk |
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| 14:45.58 | asg | syntaxx: ? gtk is just a graphics toolkit |
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| 14:46.36 | syntaxx | asg, yeah can i auto load it? because everytime i logout and login it backs to normal |
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| 14:47.24 | asg | syntaxx: /msg dpkg #gnome |
| 14:48.13 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 14:49.31 | lelu | how do i find out the pid's of running proccesses? |
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| 14:49.38 | lelu | ive tried cat but it just hangs |
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| 14:51.49 | sigma957 | lelu: ps aux maybe |
| 14:52.16 | asg | lelu: pgrep is another handy tool |
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| 14:54.06 | tmb | is there a program to determine the amount of video memory you have on your video card? |
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| 14:55.19 | asg | tmb: lspci -vv will often show that information |
| 14:56.42 | minerale | is it possible to have a mms stream (windows media stream) over http? I'm trying to figure out how this stream works out: http://213.92.19.12:80/deejaytv?url=42403142123117R1911 - it plays fine in mplayer, but I can't tell how it's doing it |
| 14:57.01 | lelu | sigma957: thanks soo very much D |
| 14:57.02 | lelu | * :D |
| 14:57.19 | asg | minerale: use ethereal and analyze the resultant packet capture |
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| 14:57.59 | asg | minerale: also, #mplayer might have some insight |
| 14:58.00 | charzero | Is there somethink I can put in /etc/network/interfaces in a stanza to prevent it from creating a default route for that interface? |
| 14:58.11 | asg | charzero: remove the 'gateway' line |
| 14:58.23 | Cybodog | modax (or anybody else) should I use ACPI Processor P-states driver yes in the cpupower part of the kernel for powersaved? |
| 14:58.42 | charzero | asg: What if its dhcp? I want it to create a route for the subnet the ip is on, but not a default route. |
| 14:59.11 | asg | charzero: check your dhcp client config/manpage. There should be a way to blacklist data received via dhcp |
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| 14:59.29 | charzero | asg: but doesn't ifup set the routes, and not dhcp? |
| 15:00.10 | MoDaX | Cybodog: you may if the driver is compatible with your system. anyway, it won't hurt |
| 15:00.17 | Cybodog | k |
| 15:00.30 | asg | charzero: man dhcp-options. You should be able to set a static route |
| 15:01.19 | lelu | it didnt work via shutting down the service via pid i ended up having to do start-stop-daemon --stop --user simon |
| 15:01.30 | lelu | which now means starting a few more services back up that wernt broken |
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| 15:01.51 | blondie | ARGH |
| 15:02.01 | blondie | this time the installer segfaults |
| 15:02.16 | Cybodog | weeeee compiling |
| 15:02.28 | asg | blondie: have you run memtest86 on that box? |
| 15:02.34 | blondie | no |
| 15:02.57 | asg | blondie: might be worth a shot to see if you have some memory problems. |
| 15:03.02 | blondie | ok |
| 15:03.12 | blondie | can that be done from the debian install CD? |
| 15:03.25 | blondie | I'm guessing not |
| 15:03.58 | asg | blondie: iirc, no. You could use knoppix perhaps. |
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| 15:04.24 | disorder | blondie: you can exec it from grub |
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| 15:05.34 | blondie | hmm actually freebsd used to have problems on this machine too iirc |
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| 15:10.35 | blondie | +e |
| 15:12.48 | lelu | yay i got it all working |
| 15:12.51 | lelu | sort of |
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| 15:25.07 | caue | there is a packages to configure nvidia card without download the driver in nvidia site? config using only apt |
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| 15:29.16 | resiak_ | !tell caue -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:31.30 | caue | non-free sources |
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| 15:32.17 | caue | <non-free sources> |
| 15:32.20 | caue | o.0 |
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| 15:36.28 | caue | resiak: and how i put to download non free packages? |
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| 15:38.17 | resiak | caue: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 15:39.44 | caue | resiak: deb-src ftp://ftp.pucpr.br/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 15:39.48 | caue | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.54 | caue | and put it in sources too? |
| 15:40.06 | caue | deb-src |
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| 15:42.42 | resiak | That's what dpkg says |
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| 15:43.57 | tralala | Where is dh_pycentral? |
| 15:44.38 | azeem | in python-central, I believe |
| 15:44.46 | tralala | thanks |
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| 15:47.23 | yang | which package supports TV tuner cards? |
| 15:47.39 | zinx | apt-cache search tv tuner |
| 15:47.53 | yang | yeah i get 0 hits |
| 15:48.02 | zinx | :x |
| 15:48.20 | zinx | apt-cache search video4linux |
| 15:48.39 | zinx | and possibly v4l |
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| 15:49.10 | erikh | what's the name of the debian package that lets you configure your own kernel and build a package from it? |
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| 15:50.40 | cahoot | erikh: looking or kernel-package? |
| 15:50.46 | erikh | probably. thanks! |
| 15:50.49 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 15:50.51 | cahoot | for |
| 15:50.51 | dazjorz | how to pause screen again? |
| 15:50.53 | dazjorz | and how to unpause? |
| 15:51.04 | dazjorz | it was something like ctrl+a s to pause and ctrl+a q to unpause... |
| 15:51.07 | dazjorz | right? |
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| 15:51.30 | erikh | dazjorz: ^A? will give you a list of commands |
| 15:51.31 | Daishi | k erm what package has the pkg-config file gtk+-2.0.pc i cant seem to find it while searching packages.debian.org |
| 15:51.54 | dazjorz | oh yeah |
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| 15:51.56 | dazjorz | its xoff and xon |
| 15:51.59 | disorder | dazjorz: it's just C-s and C-q |
| 15:52.09 | dazjorz | ok |
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| 15:57.07 | kyncani | !tell Daishi about apt-file |
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| 15:57.40 | caue | how that command to dpkg say me about nvidia? |
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| 15:58.16 | Eclipser | umh? |
| 15:58.19 | Eclipser | !tell caue -about nvidia |
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| 15:58.45 | simon_23 | just had lost my internet connection... anyone knows something about the mentioned problem ? |
| 16:02.07 | simon_23 | my AVM FritzBoxSL WLan only sometimes shows the nickname of my linuxbox (set with iwconfig) but it alway shows the nickname of my zaurus (linuxPDA) ... can anyone help me find the problem ? |
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| 16:03.04 | wols | !tellwhat are you talking about? DNS? What is a "nickname"? |
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| 16:04.10 | dsdsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.12 | dsdsd | ? |
| 16:04.29 | xelam | asg: I think you were right about the RAM... swapped the RAM and it's OK *touch wood* |
| 16:06.03 | simon_23 | wols: a nickname is a feature of the wlan protocol (or whatever special) it shows you nickname to other WLan clients or to the router . |
| 16:06.19 | simon_23 | wols: the nickname is set with the iwconfig tool |
| 16:06.31 | dsdsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.49 | simon_23 | wols: #iwconfig ethX nickname "yourNicknameHere" |
| 16:07.12 | simon_23 | wols: you got wlan yourself ? |
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| 16:08.03 | disorder | dsdsd: it's in package perl |
| 16:08.04 | simon_23 | dsdsd: what is that? |
| 16:08.16 | dsdsd | the program to list perl modules |
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| 16:08.36 | dsdsd | disorder: which package? |
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| 16:08.49 | dsdsd | oh comes with perl |
| 16:08.53 | dsdsd | ok |
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| 16:12.41 | lightyear | hi out there... |
| 16:12.49 | lightyear | i've a problem with apt-get |
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| 16:12.58 | Crissi | hi |
| 16:12.59 | abrotman | like? |
| 16:13.00 | lightyear | the apt-get build-dep for amarok doesnt work |
| 16:13.02 | lightyear | hi |
| 16:13.10 | abrotman | in testing? |
| 16:13.16 | Crissi | when ipw3945 packages are available on unstable/testing? |
| 16:13.18 | lightyear | no message, just that it is not working |
| 16:13.19 | lightyear | yes |
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| 16:13.35 | Crissi | its bad without wireless |
| 16:13.36 | abrotman | Crissi: is there a RFP or ITP for them? |
| 16:13.40 | Crissi | yes |
| 16:13.44 | Crissi | i thi nk so.. |
| 16:14.05 | lightyear | abrotman, do you know something about? |
| 16:14.18 | Crissi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372118 |
| 16:14.20 | Cybodog | MoDaX, it works, thanks |
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| 16:14.34 | Crissi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363967 |
| 16:14.44 | abrotman | lightyear: look in the BTS |
| 16:14.49 | lightyear | bts? |
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| 16:14.54 | lightyear | bugs? |
| 16:15.02 | Crissi | it would be very cool if the package will be available |
| 16:15.25 | abrotman | Crissi: append the bug .. ask if there's any update .. it's been 2.5 months |
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| 16:15.48 | Crissi | yes thats the reason why i ask |
| 16:16.28 | abrotman | so send to <bugnumber>@bugs.debian.org and ask if there's any update about the legal status or the package status |
| 16:16.44 | Crissi | it could ne be aproblem to make a package.. several debian based distributions have packages.. the problem is that the package must be correspondig with the debian kernels |
| 16:16.52 | Crissi | ok |
| 16:16.54 | abrotman | it might not be free? :)( |
| 16:17.06 | Crissi | whats the problem? non-free exists |
| 16:17.27 | Crissi | maybe they can made a new tree: closed-source |
| 16:17.34 | abrotman | somethings aren't even free enough to go in non-free |
| 16:17.39 | Crissi | only the ipw3945d is the problem |
| 16:17.47 | Crissi | maybe they can made a new tree: closed-source |
| 16:18.31 | xelam | no |
| 16:18.40 | Crissi | why? |
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| 16:18.44 | abrotman | Crissi: that's what non-free mostly is .. but something don't allow redistribution by third parties |
| 16:18.55 | abrotman | some things |
| 16:19.06 | Crissi | a lot of debian user go to unbuntu because there are packages which are missing in debian |
| 16:19.13 | lightyear | is it possible to get some more information by apt-get build-deb ...? |
| 16:19.31 | lunitik | Crissi: people go to Ubuntu because its the new cool thing to do... |
| 16:19.41 | lunitik | Crissi: most Ubuntu users are clueless |
| 16:19.57 | azeem | lunitik: and/or just use their computer |
| 16:19.59 | lunitik | Crissi: they don't know about packages... they just think its cool to install Ubuntu |
| 16:20.00 | Crissi | i dont think that the redistribution is forbiden |
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| 16:20.05 | Crissi | its useless |
| 16:20.07 | abrotman | Crissi: that's because they don't care .. they have no social contract or DFSG guidelines |
| 16:20.19 | dvs | they're outlaws! |
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| 16:20.37 | abrotman | Crissi: if you don't like the way debian does their packaging .. you're more than welcome to use Ubuntu |
| 16:20.48 | Crissi | its ok if i have to add a new line to sources.list... the problemm is that no packages for debian kernels exist... |
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| 16:21.03 | Crissi | i like debian more than ubuntu |
| 16:21.04 | lunitik | Crissi: what is in Ubuntu that isn't in Debian that you need or want? |
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| 16:21.16 | Crissi | ubuntu sucks |
| 16:21.26 | Crissi | cups for exmaple |
| 16:21.30 | Crissi | example |
| 16:21.33 | lunitik | Crissi: huh? how you manage to have no kernels? |
| 16:21.39 | dvs | Crissi: cups is in Debian |
| 16:21.43 | Crissi | yes |
| 16:21.53 | Crissi | cups is a problem in ubuntu.. for example |
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| 16:22.08 | lunitik | dvs: Ubuntu folks _horribly_ broke CUPS, and released it in said broken state |
| 16:22.28 | Crissi | there no packages for the ipw3945 driver which must deal with the debian kernels |
| 16:22.28 | dvs | Crissi: but lunitik asked what's in Ubuntu that's NOT in Debian |
| 16:22.33 | lunitik | dvs: they thought it'd be cool to have a never package version, except they didn't know how to set it up or something |
| 16:22.43 | dvs | heh |
| 16:22.57 | lunitik | newer* |
| 16:23.01 | dvs | lunitik: they got a newer package but didn't get it to work? |
| 16:23.13 | abrotman | because "never" might be better than "broken" |
| 16:23.16 | lunitik | dvs: yup... |
| 16:23.17 | Crissi | if i had more time i would build debian packages for that.. i found one who is building for sarge... but not for etch |
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| 16:23.38 | lunitik | abrotman: beat ya to it :P |
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| 16:23.48 | abrotman | huh? |
| 16:24.04 | lunitik | abrotman: correcting me... I already corrected myself ;) |
| 16:24.07 | topa_ | any idea on how to get my laptop function keys to work ? |
| 16:24.12 | topa_ | on debian... |
| 16:24.16 | lunitik | abrotman: out of curiosity, when do you sleep? |
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| 16:24.27 | abrotman | i was making a joke ... |
| 16:24.48 | lunitik | topa_: what desktop? or you want something that is desktop agnostic? |
| 16:25.01 | abrotman | lunitik: i slept for .. 7 or so hours last night .. |
| 16:25.13 | lunitik | abrotman: liar :P |
| 16:25.24 | abrotman | and i already went and did my laundry today |
| 16:25.34 | lunitik | Now I know you're lying |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | i don't lie |
| 16:25.49 | dvs | heh |
| 16:25.54 | abrotman | laundry is done ... and kde is krap :) |
| 16:26.25 | nile | he speaks truth |
| 16:26.34 | abrotman | who? |
| 16:26.40 | wols | your loo is 3feet away from your bed? |
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| 16:26.59 | abrotman | loo is in bed? |
| 16:27.00 | topa_ | lunitik I need it working for debian |
| 16:27.14 | lunitik | s/something/someone/ |
| 16:27.15 | topa_ | this is first foray into laptop land on debian and everything looks so hard |
| 16:27.36 | topa_ | lunitik this is on gnome |
| 16:27.41 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 16:27.41 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 16:29.59 | lunitik | !info hotkey-setup |
| 16:30.05 | dpkg | hotkey-setup: (auto-configures laptop hotkeys), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.1-17 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
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| 16:30.27 | simon_23 | hi again, i dont want to be impolite by asking again - but noone in #networking or #wireless is talking (maybe everyone is afk)... anyone knows about wlan and iwconfig ? |
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| 16:31.06 | simon_23 | iwconfig eth1 nickname "myUsedNickName" works... |
| 16:31.18 | simon_23 | but my router doesnt show it :-/ |
| 16:31.20 | topa_ | abrotman tried those my laptop is not listed among them |
| 16:31.42 | lunitik | topa_: try hotkey-setup |
| 16:31.44 | abrotman | your router should show it? |
| 16:32.12 | simon_23 | abrotman : yes - he showed it before i activated WEP . |
| 16:32.16 | lunitik | topa_: actually, that might not be in your dist ... meh |
| 16:32.40 | abrotman | topa_: what kind of laptop? |
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| 16:34.01 | mtomczak | !info video-drivers |
| 16:34.03 | topa_ | abrotman dell xps m1210 |
| 16:34.14 | SerajewelKS | a friend of mine is doing the sarge netinstall. eth0 isn't being autoconfigured. i told him to run `dhclient eth0` on VT2, and it's saying "eth0: unknown hardware type 24" before "Listening on"... |
| 16:34.17 | abrotman | eww .. dell |
| 16:34.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: does he have eth1 too ? |
| 16:34.31 | SerajewelKS | lspci isn't available on the netinstall, so are there any other steps he can take to debug this? |
| 16:34.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm not sure |
| 16:34.37 | topa_ | abrotman any problems with dell ? |
| 16:34.52 | mtomczak | Hm. I don't think dpkg wants to talk to me... or I phrased my query wrong. I'm not sure which is more likely ;) |
| 16:34.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: the mac i installed .. i ended up with eth0/1/2 |
| 16:35.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he says it's some onboard nic |
| 16:35.07 | abrotman | topa_: just personal ones :) |
| 16:35.17 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no wifi or fiwi ? |
| 16:35.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: unlikely |
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| 16:35.35 | abrotman | but he doesn't know what kind of nic? |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | and he tried the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:35.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he says 'ifconfig eth0 up' says "no such device" |
| 16:35.44 | abrotman | firewire |
| 16:35.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: we are using 2.6 right now |
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| 16:36.01 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: how old is the machine? |
| 16:36.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: although i am confirming this (uname) |
| 16:36.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's fairly recent |
| 16:36.22 | topa_ | abrotman any utility in debian to configure wireless ? |
| 16:36.24 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: recent enough to have PCI-X instead of AGP |
| 16:36.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes, it's 2.6.8 |
| 16:36.34 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: oh ... is it sarge or |
| 16:36.36 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.15 ? |
| 16:36.37 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.15 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 16:36.40 | topa_ | I got the wireless-tools package |
| 16:36.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes, sarge netinstall |
| 16:36.53 | abrotman | topa_: eh .. i don't use WEP .. so for me it's easy :) |
| 16:37.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: 2.6.8 as i just said |
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| 16:37.08 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if it has PCI-X .. could be too new for 2.6.8 |
| 16:37.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i doubt the nic is PCI-X |
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| 16:37.35 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i know that .. but the onboard nic could be some newer e100 variant or some crap |
| 16:37.35 | topa_ | I got the hotkey package now what ? |
| 16:37.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: anyway without lspci, how can we tell anyway |
| 16:37.42 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: livecd? |
| 16:37.43 | topa_ | no help on google for that package |
| 16:38.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hrm... |
| 16:38.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: would seem simpler to start putting lspci on the netinstall |
| 16:38.22 | lunitik | topa_: dpkg -L hotkey-setup ... and umm... run stuff? it says it automatically configures the keys though :/ |
| 16:39.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i agree .. file a bug :) |
| 16:39.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: is the etch d-i pretty stable? we might just try that |
| 16:39.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and does it use a recent kernel? |
| 16:39.48 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: uses 2.6.15 |
| 16:39.58 | abrotman | or you can use |
| 16:40.00 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 16:40.01 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.15 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 16:40.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes i saw that one |
| 16:40.29 | lunitik | abrotman: you really like people using latest kernels huh? :P |
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| 16:40.55 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. i don't .. but since SerajewelKS has no idea what hardware it is .. it's probably a better shot .. i'd rather see him just use 2.6.8 in sarge |
| 16:41.20 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: this user isn't the type of user who knows exactly what's in his box, so i'm taking potshots too. |
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| 16:41.33 | abrotman | of course .. if he knew more about the hardware .. we might be able to tell him definitelvy that it won't work on sarge .. for various reasons |
| 16:41.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: another reason to use etch anyway |
| 16:41.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: is it a whitebox or a name brand? |
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| 16:42.00 | mtomczak | Hm. Does anyone know what the right video driver is for an Intel 82865G Graphics Controller? |
| 16:42.04 | abrotman | i810 |
| 16:42.13 | garryF | I have etch, I got all working except sound. I cannot find enough info to get it working. Can't find Sid to dl. Thinking of either downloading sarge or deleting. I can hear Alsa activate the sound card then blammo, esound comes on and blocks it. I cannot find how to stop esound. Such is the state of etch. Hanging here hoping some answers come. |
| 16:42.31 | abrotman | garryF: stop esd |
| 16:42.33 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm asking him now.. for the model number. |
| 16:42.36 | mtomczak | (And the meta-question: is there some kind of hardware->driver database out there? I feel like I ask this question every time I install on a nwe machine) :( |
| 16:42.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he says it's a gateway 832GM |
| 16:42.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: so it's time to google specs |
| 16:42.47 | abrotman | !tell mtomczak about which driver |
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| 16:43.28 | garryF | abrotman No commad - stop esd |
| 16:43.31 | mtomczak | Our friend dpkg seems unresponsive today. |
| 16:43.36 | lunitik | abrotman: you run sarge yourself? |
| 16:43.43 | abrotman | lunitik: on servers .. yes |
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| 16:43.47 | abrotman | mtomczak: no .. he told oyu |
| 16:43.50 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 16:43.51 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 16:44.03 | mtomczak | Oh, nope, nope.... my mistake :) Sorry, new IRC client; still getting used to having more than one window. |
| 16:44.14 | lunitik | abrotman: etch for desktop? |
| 16:44.26 | xelam | GAH |
| 16:44.35 | abrotman | lunitik: just my laptop at home .. workstation at work as sarge |
| 16:44.53 | abrotman | oh .. and i guess the toy mac has etch |
| 16:44.55 | cahoot | garryF: pkill esd |
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| 16:45.13 | lunitik | abrotman: macmini? I want one of those :o |
| 16:45.24 | abrotman | lunitik: i got a PPC one .. just because it was PPC |
| 16:45.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: gateway says he has Integrated Gigabit (10/100/1000) Ethernet |
| 16:45.40 | xelam | this stupid PC now gets as far as "ACPI: setting ELCR to 0008 (from 1c28)" and then apparently hangs |
| 16:45.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: specific as usual.... *grumble* |
| 16:45.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i think it's a marvell |
| 16:46.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if you had a serial number .. you could know |
| 16:46.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: in case you didn't find it, the gateway specs are at http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/4660/4660nv.shtml |
| 16:46.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: we have the model number |
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| 16:46.43 | garryF | cahoot Thanks. No sound though. I suppose I add the alias for esd to blacklist? |
| 16:46.44 | abrotman | lunitik: check the refurb section |
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| 16:46.54 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... I wanted a G5 once upon a time... I just want a macmini cuz they're so tiny :o |
| 16:47.06 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: http://support.gateway.com/support/drivers/search.asp?st=pn¶m=4660 |
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| 16:47.15 | cahoot | garryF: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm* returns anything? |
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| 16:47.27 | garryF | checking |
| 16:47.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: if i go to components > motherboard > specifications, it says: 10/100/1000Mbits/sec LAN subsystem using Marvell® Yukon 88E8050 PCIe GbE |
| 16:47.42 | xk | apt dinfo sed |
| 16:47.42 | abrotman | WIN! |
| 16:47.45 | abrotman | well .. lose |
| 16:47.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: supported in 2.6.15? |
| 16:48.00 | abrotman | i think so |
| 16:48.12 | abrotman | he probably wouldn't have been able to find any drives to install on with 2.6.8 |
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| 16:48.24 | xk | hmm |
| 16:48.30 | topa_ | lunitik looks like hotkey doesnt need much help, it should pick up stuff automatically |
| 16:48.30 | abrotman | apt info sed |
| 16:48.37 | xk | does wx2.6 even compile for sarge? |
| 16:48.41 | xk | sed: can't read s/=PRIO/26/g;: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.43 | garryF | cahoot nothing. Strange ... I did install and boot process starts alsa |
| 16:48.46 | xk | i get that from the debian build script |
| 16:48.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: too bad gateway doesn't list pciids |
| 16:48.55 | lunitik | topa_: I told you that about 30 mins ago |
| 16:48.58 | mtomczak | That's perfect. Thanks everyone! :) |
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| 16:49.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm saying based on the CPU on it .. and the marvell .. it's probably using some ICH6 or ICH7 |
| 16:49.20 | cahoot | garryF: run alsamixer in a term - make sure it's unmuted and set levels |
| 16:49.29 | xk | wx2.6 maintainer should be shot. |
| 16:49.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: cool! what does that mean? |
| 16:49.38 | abrotman | it means .. sarge won't see the hdd's with 2.6.8 :) |
| 16:49.44 | garryF | lunitik I tried to find Sid and use that as you suggested. Cannot find the top secret site for Sid download |
| 16:49.45 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 16:49.46 | dpkg | well, sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 16:50.00 | garryF | cahoot Ok, Done before, doing again. |
| 16:50.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: probably. he says is HD is SATA (CD-ROMs are IDE) |
| 16:50.06 | SerajewelKS | s/is/the/ |
| 16:50.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: honestly .. i'd just go with etch at this point .. Xfree probably won't work with that video device anyways |
| 16:50.18 | cahoot | garryF: what card is this btw |
| 16:50.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes, we are using the etch d-i |
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| 16:50.30 | abrotman | and it still fails? |
| 16:50.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, i mean we're using it *now* |
| 16:50.37 | fauxalliance | hello, i have a small problem, i am using the bcm43xx driver on sid, i cannot connect to the access point using default config. openbsd connects to the access point using atheros and bcm chips. |
| 16:50.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:50.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: or rather, he's downloading it |
| 16:50.52 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 16:51.00 | abrotman | fauxalliance: did you use the fwcutter thingie? |
| 16:51.18 | fauxalliance | abrotman, i did indeed, with several different firmwares. |
| 16:51.44 | xk | who the hell makes a debian package to build postinst/preinst files? it's stupid that it doesn't even work. |
| 16:51.57 | garryF | cahoot Sound blabber Audigy2 zs |
| 16:51.57 | abrotman | !maint sex |
| 16:51.59 | abrotman | !maint sed |
| 16:52.05 | dpkg | sed: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org> |
| 16:52.29 | cahoot | garryF: try toggle Analog/Digital Output jack |
| 16:52.30 | abrotman | nice |
| 16:52.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: better luck ? |
| 16:52.39 | xk | I'll just butcher the scripts... like i used to... that _always_ works :) |
| 16:52.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and make sure you warn your friend about testing/breakage ... |
| 16:53.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: AND .. make damn sure his sources are pointing at etch .. NOT testing |
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| 16:53.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's like a 20 minute download |
| 16:54.02 | abrotman | it got bigger |
| 16:54.19 | xelam | put it in your pantry with your cupcakes |
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| 16:54.46 | SerajewelKS | !qotd172 is <abrotman> !maint sex |
| 16:54.46 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 16:54.58 | mtomczak | How do I re-run the configuration scripts that trigger during the install of X11 to choose my video driver and configurations again? |
| 16:55.01 | abrotman | i meant sed! |
| 16:55.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: =) |
| 16:55.13 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you know there used to be a package called sex? |
| 16:55.17 | nile | mtomczak, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:55.25 | abrotman | !maint sex woody |
| 16:55.26 | mtomczak | Thanks |
| 16:55.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: doesn't surprise me |
| 16:55.31 | lunitik | abrotman: porn-get too |
| 16:55.31 | dpkg | sex: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <ajk@debian.org> |
| 16:55.32 | abrotman | !info sex woody |
| 16:55.35 | dpkg | sex: (Simple editor for X), section editors, is optional. Version: 0.19.1-2 (woody), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 16:55.49 | abrotman | porn-get was a joke .. sex was real |
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| 16:56.05 | xelam | geeks have sex? :) |
| 16:56.18 | cahoot | only virtual |
| 16:56.25 | nile | mtomczak, I'm not sure which package, though. I think 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' will get you what you're looking for, but it might be 'xorg' or 'x-window-system' or something |
| 16:56.26 | lunitik | abrotman: also, that image editor that caused a ruckus |
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| 16:56.36 | lunitik | image viewer* |
| 16:56.39 | abrotman | that what? |
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| 16:56.59 | abrotman | !drxx mtomczak |
| 16:57.00 | dpkg | mtomczak: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 16:57.20 | garryF | cahoot Well, I got it working now. I had to explicitly do alsactl store. |
| 16:57.22 | lunitik | abrotman: pornview I think... and there was something that undressed a hot chick as your computer got used more and got hotter :) |
| 16:57.34 | tictac | i remember that |
| 16:57.35 | abrotman | i think it's in debian |
| 16:57.43 | Pragmatic | ... |
| 16:57.43 | tictac | yes they both are |
| 16:57.54 | SerajewelKS | !info pornview etch |
| 16:57.54 | garryF | cahoot Thanks! |
| 16:58.01 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 230 kB, Installed size: 668 kB |
| 16:58.03 | azeem | lunitik: you mean hot-babe |
| 16:58.13 | cahoot | garryF: did you ever run alsaconf? |
| 16:58.14 | lunitik | azeem: ahh... yes :) |
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| 16:58.16 | SerajewelKS | IIRC pornview was written by mhall |
| 16:58.22 | tictac | pornview is good if you _dont_ run xine. |
| 16:58.25 | azeem | lunitik: image editors usually don't undress hot chicks as the load increses |
| 16:58.31 | garryF | cahoot Yep. |
| 16:58.38 | lunitik | azeem: I need to try that... my system is never active enough to get her naked though :( |
| 16:58.55 | lunitik | azeem: re-read what I said... note "and" |
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| 16:59.04 | Pragmatic | Go caseless and just use your processor fans? |
| 16:59.06 | abrotman | lunitik: seems like a personal problem |
| 16:59.08 | xelam | can someone recommend a serial console howto? ;( |
| 16:59.09 | azeem | right |
| 16:59.09 | Pragmatic | Start overclocking? |
| 16:59.23 | abrotman | xelam: google "serial console howto" |
| 16:59.26 | SerajewelKS | lunitik: run distributed-net? |
| 16:59.27 | tictac | xelam: its trivial, really. use minicom with a serial port. |
| 16:59.35 | nile | hot-babe caused some controversy with DDs, iirc |
| 16:59.41 | azeem | it got rejected |
| 16:59.43 | tictac | xelam: serial cable must have a null modem adapter. |
| 16:59.50 | lunitik | abrotman: haha... only in the cyberverse though |
| 17:00.06 | nile | hot-babe was amusing for a few minutes, but I ran folding@home, so it was pretty static |
| 17:00.07 | xelam | tictac: I mean the "server" |
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| 17:00.15 | garryF | I'm blind. That command made dancing fat guys in speedos on my screen. Now I'm blind! |
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| 17:01.27 | wols | he saw a simpsons episode where homer runs around in underwear. as you might have noticed, he wobbles a lot then |
| 17:01.30 | garryF | lunitik Somoene sent bot some stuff on porn |
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| 17:02.46 | tictac | heh. i found the picture of hot-babe exposed i created like.. eh.. 3 years ago? |
| 17:03.19 | abrotman | garryF: someone from this channel ? |
| 17:03.25 | xelam | garryF: yeah, you don't want *fat* guys in speedos :| |
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| 17:03.37 | garryF | hehe yeah |
| 17:03.48 | tictac | damn. i still cant believe i use galeon. |
| 17:04.04 | garryF | xelam They could name it a screensaver named barf |
| 17:04.09 | tbaur | hey |
| 17:04.42 | nile | tictac, I know a heavy-duty comp sci guy who loves galeon :) |
| 17:04.48 | xelam | haha |
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| 17:05.48 | garryF | i'm guessing that if I add esd to blacklist it will stop it from running but will it just walk instead? I wanted to remove it from modules but that said not to edit modules file but to use the files in some other folder, which was a dead end. |
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| 17:06.49 | garryF | Maybe I'm losing my memor .... er what was I talking about? |
| 17:06.59 | xelam | read up |
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| 17:07.36 | cast | do i have any chance of getting this usb headset working in debian? all dmesg says is 'usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5' |
| 17:08.20 | garryF | Might try alsamixer to make sure the headset isn't muted if you use alsa. |
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| 17:08.40 | lunitik | garryF: esd is a sound daemon... nothing to do with modprobe/kernel/udev/et all |
| 17:08.41 | tictac | nile: it was somewhat prone to crashes. firefox doesnt have that problem, it just has the issue of spawning 'tabs' randomly on the screen and then killing firefox when you close one. :( |
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| 17:09.42 | nile | tictac, I'm on firefox because of the momentum. I'm basically having faith that it will get drastically better with time :) |
| 17:09.48 | garryF | lunitik Hi. Ye mentioned I should try sid instead. I can't find the top secret, occult url for dowloading sid. |
| 17:10.00 | lunitik | garryF: I didn't say that |
| 17:10.06 | lunitik | garryF: I said I use Sid |
| 17:10.18 | garryF | details details. :) |
| 17:10.27 | garryF | mt |
| 17:10.29 | lunitik | garryF: if you can't figure out how to upgrade to Sid, you probably shouldn't be using Sid |
| 17:10.42 | letto | what kernel would you guys reccomend for a fresh install 2.4.27 or 2.6.8? |
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| 17:10.55 | tictac | letto: depends what you want out of your system. |
| 17:10.56 | lunitik | letto: 'linux26' |
| 17:11.04 | lunitik | letto: at install prompt |
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| 17:11.22 | letto | whell a desktop |
| 17:11.47 | tictac | 2.6 should be fine then. |
| 17:11.47 | garryF | lunitik I think I know how, but I don't trust my guesses. I think I should change the etch in /etc/apt/sources.list to sid or to unstable and do apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 17:11.48 | letto | but i would prefer the 2.4 install and wondered what features would be disabled |
| 17:11.56 | wols | always 2.6 by default. only if it gives you problems then downgrade |
| 17:12.04 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 17:12.04 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 17:12.25 | tictac | you can some features such as preempt with 2.4 with patches |
| 17:12.30 | wols | QA gets paid, so how much do I get? |
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| 17:12.46 | abrotman | !ben break |
| 17:12.47 | dpkg | "Woody is unstable. If you currently enjoy a problem free system, and have no specific reason for using woody, I suggest you stick with potato. There may not be any problems now (there might be, but I don't know all of the details), but sooner or later shit will hit the fan. If you don't know enough about system recovery, you may be screwed." -- Ben Collins, debian-sparc, 7-Dec-2000 |
| 17:12.47 | trainstation | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.49 | garryF | So are slack programmers = developers? |
| 17:12.51 | cast | mics unmuted in alsamixer. but regardless i'm not convinced alsa knows about the headset yet |
| 17:12.54 | lunitik | garryF: I'm not helping you to dist-upgrade to sid |
| 17:13.11 | abrotman | s/Woody/Sid/ above |
| 17:13.12 | garryF | as you wish |
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| 17:13.34 | garryF | lunitik As you choose. np |
| 17:13.40 | abrotman | garryF: honestly .,.. stick with etch .. sometimes sid/unstable can break extrememly badly |
| 17:14.09 | zinx | <3 x.org upgrades |
| 17:14.16 | garryF | abrotman Now that I got sound working, I see no real big reason to upgrade. |
| 17:14.19 | abrotman | good |
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| 17:14.21 | tictac | abrotman: so does that mean i should use potato instead of woody/sarge/etch? ;) |
| 17:14.29 | abrotman | tictac: not funny! .. it's a quote |
| 17:14.35 | garryF | What about prune? |
| 17:14.39 | mtomczak | Ah, HAHAHA! Suckit, Intel 82865G Graphics controller! |
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| 17:14.47 | abrotman | i810 driver |
| 17:14.49 | tictac | abrotman: obviously. you cant even find a potato repository if you wanted to. |
| 17:14.56 | abrotman | tictac: archive.debian.org |
| 17:14.58 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 17:15.06 | tictac | hmm. nifty. |
| 17:15.08 | mtomczak | i810 driver, yes... plus a quick trip to BIOS to tell the machine to dedicate 8MB to video. |
| 17:15.17 | abrotman | oh .. yeah |
| 17:15.25 | phaedrus44 | hhmmm i need a beer |
| 17:15.36 | phaedrus44 | what time is the game on today |
| 17:15.41 | abrotman | 3pm |
| 17:15.48 | abrotman | EST/EDT .. whatever it is |
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| 17:16.29 | tictac | abrotman: i wonder why woody isnt archived yet. |
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| 17:16.44 | abrotman | tictac: technically .. until about a week ago it was still supported |
| 17:16.56 | tictac | i guess some sites still allow for oldstable |
| 17:17.08 | abrotman | tictac: no .. i mean there was still security updates until about a week ago |
| 17:17.14 | garryF | !computers |
| 17:17.14 | dpkg | computers are worse than.... well, bad sex. If there is such a thing. like air conditioners, they stop working when you open windows |
| 17:17.25 | tictac | ahh, thats right. |
| 17:17.47 | abrotman | that's right folks .. if you've got a woody box .. upgrade it! |
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| 17:17.50 | abrotman | that means you asg! |
| 17:17.51 | garryF | LOL I like that!! Another bot says "I know nothing about computers! |
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| 17:19.44 | mtomczak | !intel |
| 17:19.44 | dpkg | intel is probably a bunch of horridly evil crack whores |
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| 17:20.09 | azeem | dpkg, forget intel |
| 17:20.10 | dpkg | i forgot intel, azeem |
| 17:20.16 | garryF | Oh they got better staff at intel? |
| 17:20.30 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00002.html |
| 17:20.30 | garryF | Used to be folks from the work training centers. |
| 17:20.51 | azeem | abrotman: I'm not sure it makes sense, it's not that things break, do they? |
| 17:21.03 | abrotman | azeem: no .. but it may become insecure |
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| 17:21.13 | lunitik | abrotman: they've had what... 4 years now to migrate? |
| 17:21.21 | abrotman | lunitik: sarge was released about 13 months ago |
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| 17:21.54 | azeem | abrotman: well, people who would read the topic probably got the news through other channels by now anyway |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | lunitik: to migrate FROM woody |
| 17:22.08 | abrotman | azeem: are you saying noone reads the topic? |
| 17:22.13 | garryF | Like the guy who took the manager's 1000$ digital camera and tried to do underwater photography. The manager came back on monday to find his camera imprisoned in a mound of blue-green foam. |
| 17:22.42 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 17:23.56 | lunitik | I just don't join channels much due to not leaving them... |
| 17:23.57 | abrotman | but you didn't know woody security support was ending |
| 17:24.27 | kspath | abrotman: what is woody? |
| 17:24.29 | garryF | I worry about that. Intel might want to steal the woody technology |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | !woody |
| 17:24.33 | dpkg | [woody] the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 will be terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 17:24.48 | lunitik | abrotman: nope |
| 17:25.00 | kspath | abrotman: What is abrotmoo? |
| 17:25.06 | abrotman | !abrotmoo |
| 17:25.06 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 17:25.58 | garryF | Omg!! The folks here are human! They have a sense of humor!! |
| 17:26.01 | garryF | :) |
| 17:26.11 | abrotman | don't tell anyone |
| 17:26.48 | abrotman | one million slashdot readers think we're a bunch of prick bastards |
| 17:26.50 | cast | alright. ive found my problem. i just have nfi what the solution is...i upgraded from 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 a while ago. i haven't rebooted since, i wasn't paying attention and didnt think about the fact all the modules would get removed. the kernel was from backports.org, but the 2.6.15 is no longer there as its been replaced by 2.6.16. anyone have any idea where i'd get that backports.org 2.6.15 kpkg? |
| 17:27.11 | kspath | abrotman: That says more about slashdot readers than about #debian. |
| 17:27.13 | lunitik | abrotman: $50 says most are Ubuntu users |
| 17:27.19 | garryF | Slapdash has that many readers? |
| 17:27.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:27.36 | abrotman | garryF: probably more like 1 million registered users .. i'm sure the number of readers is far higher |
| 17:28.00 | lunitik | !tell cast about sarge 2.6.15 |
| 17:28.23 | garryF | You got it Lunitik I go there, they are nice and helpful, but dare say one off topic joke and suddenly its a bunch of monkeys flinging dung. |
| 17:28.54 | abrotman | oh crap .. i have to get ready to go .. duh |
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| 17:29.26 | kspath | Those #debian people are SO mean! They do not give one-line copy/paste solutions immediately for everything. They are so very very mean! |
| 17:29.30 | lunitik | abrotman: *cough* korganizer *cough* |
| 17:30.32 | garryF | I prefer to try to find out before I ask. I've noticed that if I don't work for an answer, I won't remember the answer. |
| 17:30.46 | abrotman | lunitik: yeah .. i'm sure they have something in gnome .. i jmust forgot what time i had to leave ... show isn't til 4pm |
| 17:30.54 | lunitik | garryF: I got banned from #kubuntu earlier for stating exactly that |
| 17:31.01 | lunitik | garryF: actually, it would have been yesturday |
| 17:31.25 | tictac | thats what you get for using kde.. and ubuntu. ;) |
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| 17:31.52 | lunitik | garryF: they don't seem to get the concept that helping should include *teaching* ... not just doing it for them |
| 17:31.57 | garryF | lunitik Holy cow!! That even surprises me. on Ubuntu I've seen quite a bit of profanity before they ban anyone, but your statement is perfectly reasonable. |
| 17:32.13 | garryF | lunitik Yeah. |
| 17:32.18 | Bushmills | i have installed apache2, php4, mysql and some php4 scripts on two machines. all configs are default. all packages, displayed on dpkg -l | grep apache , dpkg -l | grep mysql and dpkg -l | grep php are the same. now, on one machine do the php scripts run, on the other does the browser attempt to donwload those. both debians are the same version. what could i check wahtthe reason for this discrepancy could be? |
| 17:32.31 | lunitik | tictac: haha... I ordered a shipit CD a while ago... figured I might as well at least try it out... and I tend to stick to the channels for distro's I'm using... |
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| 17:32.45 | tictac | Bushmills: check that there is a addhandler line for php in httpd.conf |
| 17:32.45 | idunno | hello |
| 17:33.06 | wols | Bushmills: wrong apache config. apache doesn't recognizes php4 on the 2nd machine |
| 17:33.10 | Bushmills | tictac, thanks, will do. though, apache2 only has a dummy httpd.conf, looked there before. |
| 17:33.11 | idunno | I need help compiling a 2.6.17 kernel on sarge |
| 17:33.30 | abrotman | Bushmills: clear cache .. restart browser .. try again .. |
| 17:33.31 | idunno | when I run make menuconfig i get a bunch of syntax errors in the Kdialog directory. |
| 17:33.43 | lunitik | garryF: someone decided to debate whether it was helpful to try to actually teach people... apparently its against the code of conduct to actually teach, or something |
| 17:33.45 | garryF | lunitik I have half a mind to go over there and say the same thing you did just for kicks. They probably throw twice the fit to see a semi-regular there saying it. |
| 17:33.52 | wols | idunno: paste the first error in a pastebin |
| 17:33.54 | Bushmills | wols, that's what one an assume, therefore i wonder, because of identical config files |
| 17:34.09 | abrotman | or you forgot the apache module |
| 17:34.10 | idunno | wols, ok |
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| 17:34.19 | Bushmills | abrotman: browser restarted already - not cleared cache though, will do. |
| 17:34.21 | idunno | be right back |
| 17:34.32 | tictac | idunno: permissions issue? are you running it as a user while in /usr/src or the like? |
| 17:34.53 | garryF | lunitik They probably accused the debate of being off topic. They are so prima donna and primo dons there, if they broke a hair they would die. |
| 17:35.10 | tictac | do you have libncurses5-dev installed? |
| 17:35.11 | tictac | doh |
| 17:35.34 | tictac | welp, back to cleaning. ugh. |
| 17:35.43 | lunitik | garryF: yes actually... haha... I was helping someone when they banned me too... wonder if that persons issue was ever resolved... |
| 17:36.23 | lunitik | garryF: here, I tend to actually *g* learn things... there... its the same old crap... gets tedious... and few people know the answeres still |
| 17:36.35 | garryF | lunitik Sheesh. Bans don't last more than an hour there, but they are fools to ban knowlegeable folks. |
| 17:37.06 | lunitik | garryF: I'm banned from #ubuntu too... thats been good for about 6 months |
| 17:38.11 | garryF | lunitik Yep, I used to hang there a lot, but the same old questions or folks that go there to ask questions just because they know there is no answer. Things like how do I use cold fusion to run my vw beetle? It gets real boring. |
| 17:38.15 | lunitik | garryF: Code of Conduct again... that time, I think I advised someone to use a CLI app, and got flamed by like 5 people |
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| 17:39.10 | garryF | Holy cow!, ... Folks tell people to do cli all the time. I wonder who banned ye and wth is their brain. |
| 17:39.26 | lunitik | garryF: Seveas |
| 17:39.35 | garryF | LOL |
| 17:39.49 | lunitik | wols: *g* NO! Gedit!! duh! |
| 17:40.26 | Bushmills | makes a difference, restarting with cache cleared. though still no run, error message this time. seem to relate to mysql: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/php/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 353 |
| 17:40.42 | garryF | Oh and remember, the proper command is not sudo command but gksudo command. |
| 17:40.50 | nile | lunitik, sorry, but what's *g* mean? |
| 17:40.51 | Bushmills | may be missing something here ... |
| 17:40.59 | lunitik | nile: gasp |
| 17:41.17 | phaedrus44 | thanks abrotman |
| 17:41.19 | garryF | Some folks suffer from craniorectalitis. |
| 17:41.25 | nile | lunitik, gotcha |
| 17:41.28 | nile | garryF, lol |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | Bushmills: uncomment the mysql driver in the php.ini |
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| 17:42.32 | Bushmills | 'k |
| 17:43.00 | wols | I'd rather install php4-mysql |
| 17:43.15 | lunitik | !info php4-mysql |
| 17:43.21 | dpkg | php4-mysql: (MySQL module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.4.2-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 17:43.28 | idunno | hello |
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| 17:43.31 | idunno | i got the error |
| 17:43.32 | idunno | it says |
| 17:43.38 | garryF | The newest Centos has adopted Fedora's installation look and feel. Yep, I look and feel like upchucking. LoL |
| 17:43.41 | xelam | w00t my serial console works |
| 17:43.45 | abrotman | wols: jeez .. i was assuming he was smarter than tat |
| 17:43.47 | idunno | Error: No such file curses.h |
| 17:43.47 | xelam | with colours too |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | that |
| 17:43.53 | lunitik | wols: re-build that for your prefered dist? |
| 17:43.57 | Bushmills | is installed. |
| 17:44.04 | idunno | but I installed libncurses already |
| 17:44.05 | wols | lunitik: rebuild what? |
| 17:44.16 | idunno | wols, any ideas? |
| 17:44.18 | wols | idunno: you didn't say what it says |
| 17:44.27 | Bushmills | but the package (torrentflux) depends on libphp-adodb |
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| 17:44.35 | idunno | wols, it says No such file curses.h |
| 17:44.39 | Bushmills | also, is installed on both machines |
| 17:44.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: still not working |
| 17:44.48 | wols | that is libncurses5-dev |
| 17:44.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: marvell sucks! |
| 17:44.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but this d-i has lspci |
| 17:45.00 | abrotman | oh goodie |
| 17:45.03 | lunitik | wols: umm... I didn't follow along... and thought you wanted to install that package.... don't mind me... I'm due caffeine |
| 17:45.06 | idunno | wols, is that on the debian cd? |
| 17:45.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: 11ab:4361 (rev 17) sound familiar |
| 17:45.13 | stoned | good morning |
| 17:45.16 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 17:45.16 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 17:45.20 | wols | idunno: should be, yes |
| 17:45.28 | idunno | alright thank you wols |
| 17:45.35 | lunitik | !kmuto |
| 17:45.40 | phaedrus44 | i need some advice....should i reinstall using etch instead of debian 3.1 2.6.8-2 kernel? what would be the advantage ? |
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| 17:46.01 | lunitik | Who is that group? Another deriv? |
| 17:46.01 | wols | phaedrus44: depends on your hardware |
| 17:46.09 | phaedrus44 | oh...cool... |
| 17:46.15 | idunno | brb i' |
| 17:46.17 | idunno | *I' |
| 17:46.23 | idunno | *I'll give it another try |
| 17:46.34 | wols | e.g. I would still install sarge of a nf4 based mobo, but I would use a sarge with a 2.6.15 krenel |
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| 17:46.46 | Set | so I sat up a debian box |
| 17:46.53 | Set | and now I got no idea what I can use it for |
| 17:46.59 | Set | suggestions? :) |
| 17:47.17 | wols | bragging on #debian of course |
| 17:47.21 | stoned | oh crap |
| 17:47.21 | xelam | Set: pr0n server |
| 17:47.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it says it works |
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| 17:47.30 | stoned | I lost my debian packages I made for this |
| 17:47.32 | stoned | goddamit! |
| 17:47.37 | lunitik | Set: umm... why did you install it? what did you want to do? |
| 17:47.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and the driver is loaded? |
| 17:47.44 | stoned | why do I delete shit without looking /me hits himself |
| 17:47.49 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 17:47.50 | dpkg | methinks keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
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| 17:47.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm asking that now |
| 17:48.11 | lunitik | Set: there is very little that debian can't do if you know what you're doing (still can't figure out how to make it make my coffee though :( ) |
| 17:48.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he says no (it's sky2) |
| 17:48.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: now i have to figure out which module to modprobe -r |
| 17:48.42 | wols | lunitik: you need the robotic arm for that. thatl'l cost ya tho |
| 17:48.42 | phaedrus44 | wols i have a p3 with 256mb/ram and a 16mb nvidia card |
| 17:48.58 | wols | phaedrus44: no advantage at install. and later you can always switch |
| 17:49.05 | lunitik | wols: hah |
| 17:49.14 | phaedrus44 | cool...so ill just stick with this.. |
| 17:49.36 | Bushmills | abrotman: line ;extension=mysql.so , was already commented out. i compared the two php.inis, and found as last line of the working config extension=mysql.so added. will do that to the non-working config too. no idea what program has added that, wasn't me manually, |
| 17:49.39 | lunitik | Set: what did you do with your Windows/OS X box? |
| 17:49.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: `find . -name '*sky2*'` on the cd gives nothing |
| 17:50.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: nor over / |
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| 17:50.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i don't even have sky2 on my install |
| 17:50.28 | garryF | Not to feel so bad Stoned ... I once tried to backup my system recursivly using gzip not knowing that unlike pkzip, gzip deletes the files after zipping them. |
| 17:50.52 | stoned | garryF, no thats not it, I just got stoned |
| 17:50.56 | lunitik | garryF: sounds like that was a lot of fun |
| 17:51.03 | Bushmills | yes, that made the difference, works now. abrotman and other suggesters - you've been a great help, thankss a lot. |
| 17:51.03 | stoned | ahhh |
| 17:51.09 | stoned | I also need to install mplayer |
| 17:51.10 | stoned | !dmm |
| 17:51.11 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 17:51.20 | lunitik | stoned: no sharing? :) |
| 17:51.22 | lunitik | :( * |
| 17:51.37 | garryF | As much fun and intellectually stimulating as Migraineslop Bob |
| 17:51.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: eh .. sky is a dvb card? |
| 17:51.49 | Set | Well. I installed Debian on it because I wanted to use it as a gaming server. But the game I wanted it to run doesn't have a linux server. |
| 17:51.56 | Set | so now it basically just does nothing. :) |
| 17:51.59 | wols | lunitik: evreyone on the intarweb especially chatrooms is a 50 year old fbi agent with a gut. Would you share with an FBI agent? |
| 17:52.12 | lunitik | stoned: just throw 'deb http://debian-multimedia.org unstable main' into sources.list and keep it commented out when you don't need it |
| 17:52.20 | Set | I'm just looking for suggestions on what things are 'hot' in the server department |
| 17:52.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the line to paste to the hcl is 0000:02:00.0 0200: 11ab:4361 (rev17) |
| 17:52.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: see for yourself |
| 17:52.33 | abrotman | lspci -n |
| 17:52.35 | lunitik | stoned: umm... substitute unstable with whatever |
| 17:52.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: since the hcl doesn't use GET i can't paste a URL |
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| 17:52.53 | abrotman | eh .. weird |
| 17:52.54 | stoned | abrotman, I fixed my fonts, and then a day later, another update falked em again, so I just made that disk a slave, put in t new one, and now I'm running testing on this new disk. I'll wait until gtk is compiled with freetype support before I use sid on the other disk again. You run testing too correct? |
| 17:52.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i don't get anything either |
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| 17:53.17 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: zip |
| 17:53.22 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: what? |
| 17:53.33 | stoned | I have not used the testing branch in a long time, since sarge/testing |
| 17:53.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm running etch .. i don't see it either |
| 17:53.40 | abrotman | !find sky2 sid |
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| 17:53.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sky2' returned no results. |
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| 17:55.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'd expect if the HCL lists it, it works in debian... |
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| 17:55.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: maybe it's in the 2.6.17 in sid ... |
| 17:55.30 | metrix | what program does file encryption? I need to password protect my credit card data. |
| 17:55.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: !find on sid showed nothing, no? |
| 17:55.46 | SerajewelKS | metrix: encfs or gnupg |
| 17:56.07 | metrix | cool |
| 17:56.09 | metrix | thank you! |
| 17:56.09 | wols | metrix: gpg fpr example |
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| 17:56.13 | lelu | abrotman: truecrypt... i dont know if its on linux tho |
| 17:56.15 | SerajewelKS | !lose wols |
| 17:56.16 | dpkg | wols: You Lose. |
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| 17:56.30 | SerajewelKS | wols: =) |
| 17:56.33 | garryF | !women |
| 17:56.34 | dpkg | it has been said that women is woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html |
| 17:56.37 | lelu | i use it to make my data invisible unless i have my security key pluggedinto the pc |
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| 17:57.08 | lunitik | metrix: kwallet and gnome-keyring both use gpg for storing that kind of info |
| 17:57.10 | garryF | nap time. ... |
| 17:57.28 | M104 | metrix: I use kwallet for all of my private data |
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| 17:58.26 | metrix | ok cool |
| 17:58.56 | r121 | is there a way to encrypt/decrypt a file in-place (i.e. without creating a new, decrypted file), perhaps with GnuPG? |
| 17:59.33 | SerajewelKS | r121: no, because that's dangerous |
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| 18:00.41 | SerajewelKS | r121: if you want a transparently-encrypted userspace filesystem, see encfs |
| 18:01.06 | magyar | how can i make a correction to a bug filed? |
| 18:01.21 | magyar | reported bug |
| 18:01.25 | r121 | SerajewelKS: ok, thanks, I think an encrypted filesystem is what I eventually want |
| 18:01.51 | SerajewelKS | magyar: email the-bug-number@bugs.debian.org |
| 18:02.06 | magyar | SerajewelKS: thank you |
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| 18:03.39 | magyar | SerajewelKS: i never recieved a bug number in the email from bts |
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| 18:05.44 | akira | hi, how can i see the files that take up the most space in my hard disk? |
| 18:07.26 | SerajewelKS | akira: du -aSx / | sort -n |
| 18:07.36 | SerajewelKS | akira: du -aSx / | sort -n | tail -30 |
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| 18:09.41 | cyzie | when i type set in oracle user, it appear to show a lot of coding (i believe it is shell script). while for other users, the environment is perfectly fine. where have i missed? |
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| 18:10.24 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: maybe oracle needs those variables to run? |
| 18:10.56 | cyzie | SerajewelKS, do you want me to paste some result to you on private? |
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| 18:11.19 | cyzie | SerajewelKS, on RHEL, it is perfectly fine. on debian, (i have install oracle on 2 computers runnign debian), it is similar problems |
| 18:11.53 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: well to be honest, oracle is not in debian, and thus is not supported here |
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| 18:12.12 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: but i fail to see how extra environment variables qualifies as a problem |
| 18:12.21 | cyzie | SerajewelKS, yes, OFFICIALLY is it not supported but i have managed to install it. |
| 18:12.35 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: great, but that doesn't mean that we support it |
| 18:12.50 | cyzie | SerajewelKS, i THINK it is not extra environment rather than scripting...which i foudn it is weird |
| 18:13.00 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: but maybe the oracle installer has some workarounds for things debian does different from RHEL, and uses those variables to facilitate them |
| 18:13.41 | cyzie | mmm...im lost on this. don tknow where to begin investigate and fix |
| 18:13.43 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: does oracle work? |
| 18:14.18 | cyzie | SerajewelKS, yes, sqlplus running, emctl runing, db is up, etc etc |
| 18:14.25 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
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| 18:15.06 | cyzie | ehhehe.. SerajewelKS i just feel not comfortable everythign i set `set` on oracle user. because it comes out a lot of codings.....which by right it should not |
| 18:15.09 | magyar | I submitted a kernel bug but i only recive the submition request reply, on 17/06/06, how can i get a bug reported? I used "reportbug" to submit it. |
| 18:15.36 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: so don't type "set" |
| 18:15.41 | cyzie | everythign / everytime |
| 18:15.46 | cyzie | set / do |
| 18:16.20 | cyzie | SerajewelKS, there are many times u need to ensure the environment is set properly so that everythign goes smoothly |
| 18:16.27 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: if you "fix" oracle's environment, oracle might not work. |
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| 18:16.39 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: so leave it alone and work on something more productive. |
| 18:16.48 | phaedrus44 | to upgrade to 2.6.15 all i have to do is install the image and the headers right? |
| 18:17.01 | SerajewelKS | cyzie: if you really think it's a problem, ask oracle. they know their software better than we do. |
| 18:17.08 | cyzie | SerajewelKS, mmmmm.. that's fine for now. until i found out another problem which might relate to this later. |
| 18:17.28 | cyzie | ok |
| 18:17.56 | jfx | czy mowi tu ktos po polsku ? |
| 18:18.26 | cyzie | im not sure if any oracle developer are here. but just for info, i found out that oracle sql developer much more better than tora in linux. |
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| 18:19.36 | grendal_prime | !dpkg milliart |
| 18:19.56 | cyzie | !dpkg milliart |
| 18:20.51 | grendal_prime | !dpkg |
| 18:20.51 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
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| 18:22.23 | grendal_prime | !dpkg debian-marillat |
| 18:22.42 | asg | !marillat |
| 18:22.43 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:23.04 | grendal_prime | aaaah thanks...sorry couldnt remember |
| 18:23.14 | grendal_prime | and that answers the question i have |
| 18:23.33 | asg | grendal_prime: in the future, /msg dpkg listkeys foo ; /msg dpkg listvals foo |
| 18:23.43 | grendal_prime | ya |
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| 18:24.22 | grendal_prime | for some reason i was thinking that i still needed the dpkg aver the ! but when i think about it now..it makes no sence to do that hehehehe |
| 18:25.12 | asg | grendal_prime: :) !foo == dpkg, foo |
| 18:25.38 | asg | grendal_prime: though if dpkg is AWOL and badgers is around, !foo = badgers, foo (or you could just use aptitude) |
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| 18:26.23 | Servo888 | So I should be able to resize - expand and contract reiser partitions, right? |
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| 18:28.08 | mtomczak | Anyone know how to get started with SAMBA administration? I can't figure out how it authenticates users. |
| 18:28.33 | asg | mtomczak: I'd start with O'Reilly's 'Using Samba 2nd Ed.' available for free at samba.org or oreilly.com/openbook |
| 18:29.24 | mtomczak | *nod* Looks like a good idea. |
| 18:29.41 | grendal_prime | there is that, if you are a total moron i would recommend the webmin samba plugin |
| 18:30.06 | grendal_prime | it makes it about as easy as ....select the convert unix users to samba user link. |
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| 18:32.59 | cyzie | hi, i got the following errors in whenever i lauch OpenOffice. /usr/lib/openoffice/program/javaldx: error while loading shared libraries: libuno_sal.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:33.09 | cyzie | and this "/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libvcl680li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 18:34.05 | cyzie | where have i gone wrong? |
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| 18:42.45 | acai | hi, i'm running etch and i upgraded several packages, including reiserfsprogs, and now when my system is trying to boot, it says /dev/hda3 (root) doesn't exist. i think this has to do with reiserfsprogs. has anyone else had this problemZ |
| 18:42.48 | acai | ? |
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| 18:43.09 | gholen | How do I format i USB-stick? |
| 18:43.29 | acai | gholen: the same as any other storage volume |
| 18:43.30 | Servo888 | Same way you format "a" usb-stick? |
| 18:43.42 | grendal_prime | hows testing at this point...anyone running the testing kde desktop? |
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| 18:43.53 | acai | grendal_prime: i am... trying to |
| 18:44.01 | grendal_prime | oh |
| 18:44.10 | acai | it's kde 3.5 |
| 18:44.14 | gholen | I've tried both gparted and cfdisk, and it keeps telling me that the partitiontable is gone |
| 18:44.19 | acai | pretty nice, but i wish i could boot and use it! |
| 18:44.30 | acai | gholen: hrm... |
| 18:44.44 | acai | gholen: try just formatting the device |
| 18:45.01 | acai | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda |
| 18:45.35 | gholen | mounted or not? |
| 18:45.49 | master_of_master | hi, I'm using pam.d to auth postfix users in a mysql db. The problem is that the mysql query is wrong (the domain of the user is missing). Any ideas? |
| 18:45.53 | acai | gholen: not |
| 18:46.40 | acai | grendal_prime: would you know anything about why when my system boots, it doesn't see the root partition? |
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| 18:47.11 | acai | grendal_prime: it's reiser and i recently upgraded reiserfsprogs 1:3.6.19-1 -> 1:3.6.19-2 |
| 18:47.13 | grendal_prime | shit...i would know that it sounds like a bad state to have a system. |
| 18:47.21 | gholen | acai: mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 18:47.21 | gholen | mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device '/dev/sda' (use -I if wanted) |
| 18:47.45 | acai | gholen: try sda1 |
| 18:47.55 | grendal_prime | i know nothing aobut reiser...other than suse uses it by default...i hate suse for such reasons. |
| 18:48.04 | acai | lol |
| 18:48.25 | gholen | no thing like sda1 |
| 18:48.32 | acai | grendal_prime: well, it's a rather fresh install. do you think it would be worth it to reinstall with an ext3 formatted root? |
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| 18:49.22 | acai | gholen: let me think... |
| 18:49.35 | grendal_prime | well ive had routers, webservers, database servers, and desktops all running on ext3 for over 4 years now...never had a problem with it. |
| 18:49.38 | acai | gholen: This process may take a few minutes. |
| 18:49.48 | grendal_prime | id say...ya. |
| 18:49.51 | gholen | cool |
| 18:50.01 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 18:50.15 | Mazingaro | please where I could found c/c++ class reference under linux? |
| 18:50.28 | grendal_prime | but then again i dont know anything about reiser its supposed to be better for larger filesystems (least thats what i heard) |
| 18:51.15 | Mazingaro | found |
| 18:51.15 | zinx | reiser sucks. |
| 18:51.17 | zinx | for everything. |
| 18:51.18 | Mazingaro | c-cpp-reference |
| 18:51.24 | stoned | zinx, no it doesn't |
| 18:51.31 | zinx | yes, it does. |
| 18:51.36 | stoned | no, it does not |
| 18:51.42 | zinx | unless you want a slow unstable filesystem |
| 18:51.45 | zinx | it sucks |
| 18:51.45 | grendal_prime | there ya have it...anyone with the name zinx should know more about file systems than me... |
| 18:51.48 | zinx | :D |
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| 18:52.13 | grendal_prime | 4 years, not a single problem ext3...all i know. |
| 18:52.27 | stoned | zinx, I've had RFS for almost 2 years now, on two sata2 disks 250gb each and on 2 80gb IDE disks and I've NEVER had a problem |
| 18:52.55 | stoned | it CAN go bad sure, but so can any other FS |
| 18:52.58 | stoned | !reiserfs |
| 18:52.59 | dpkg | hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 18:53.05 | stoned | debian people dont' like it |
| 18:53.07 | stoned | :) |
| 18:53.23 | stoned | this factoid needs to be updated |
| 18:53.38 | stoned | as reiser is MUCH more stable now, and doesn't cuase shit at all |
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| 18:54.04 | zinx | stoned: whatever. |
| 18:54.16 | stoned | yes, ignorance is bliss isn't it |
| 18:54.40 | grendal_prime | i know this..a fucked up file system sucks. |
| 18:54.49 | gholen | acai: It Worked! |
| 18:55.07 | grendal_prime | no matter what i is...ext3 4+years now that i think about it. no problems |
| 18:55.08 | gholen | Thanks so much! |
| 18:55.21 | stoned | ext3 == very very good, yet slow |
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| 18:55.30 | stoned | but you can't argue the reliability factor |
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| 18:56.10 | grendal_prime | systems on reiserfs are they considerably quicker? like say something running a desktop? |
| 18:56.33 | stoned | grendal_prime, mount/umount is horribly slow, but the FS is quite speedy |
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| 18:57.31 | grendal_prime | so if your like opeing up a file...like say a pdf or a doc in open office it opens it quickly? |
| 18:57.54 | stoned | grendal_prime, please google for FS benchmarks |
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| 18:58.15 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:58.23 | grendal_prime | no thanks |
| 18:58.27 | acai | gholen: great! |
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| 18:59.05 | stoned | grendal_prime, that will give you an idea of the comparison between different file systems |
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| 18:59.33 | stoned | grendal_prime, either you can bug with with those questions, or you can make a little effort and find out for yourself |
| 18:59.40 | stoned | s/bug with/bug us |
| 19:00.09 | acai | ok, i'm going to go install etch.... again..... but with an ext3 root partition |
| 19:00.29 | acai | if this doesn't work, i'm taking grendal_prime's head... just for the hell of it! |
| 19:00.38 | acai | tah! |
| 19:00.53 | stoned | I have a 100mb /boot RFS, 9GB / RFS, and the rest of the copule of hundred gigs is also RFS :) |
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| 19:03.41 | Estes | Humm, allright, flash crashed again my FF.... bye flash |
| 19:04.04 | lelu | congratulations |
| 19:06.23 | jelly-home | stoned: have you even had to do reiserfsck? We had. It is gruesomely slow. |
| 19:06.38 | liran_ | anyone watching the world cup soccer? |
| 19:06.54 | Estes | I will, it's tomorow, right ? |
| 19:06.59 | liran_ | yeah |
| 19:07.03 | Estes | i will |
| 19:07.03 | liran_ | but there's a game now |
| 19:07.06 | Estes | I'm french... |
| 19:07.09 | liran_ | germany vs portugal |
| 19:07.11 | liran_ | whats this about? |
| 19:07.33 | Estes | Soccer probably |
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| 19:07.41 | Estes | :) |
| 19:07.42 | liran_ | thats odd |
| 19:07.53 | Estes | what is ? |
| 19:07.55 | liran_ | yeah but in the middle of the world cup? kind of odd |
| 19:08.09 | Estes | I don't get you |
| 19:08.25 | Estes | And I'm not sure what this is doing in #debian |
| 19:08.37 | liran_ | lol, just some smalltalk :p |
| 19:09.05 | Estes | 80 ? |
| 19:09.51 | Estes | :) |
| 19:10.25 | twisted`_ | telnet ascii-wm.net 2006 |
| 19:10.25 | liran_ | oh now i get it |
| 19:10.27 | liran_ | it's the game for the 3rd place of the world cup soccer |
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| 19:11.06 | jelly-home | stoned: So I hope you do regular backups for the reiserfs stored data. It's much faster to recover it from tape than to wait 48-72 hours for a 400GB partition fsck. |
| 19:11.34 | twisted`_ | roflmfao |
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| 19:14.15 | zinx | jelly-home: the fsck wouldn't do anything anyway |
| 19:14.54 | jelly-home | zinx: oh, the few times I ran it it actually did fix stuff. |
| 19:15.06 | efaistos | does someone have an Epson AcuLaser C1100 ? |
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| 19:15.50 | wols | efaistos: ask your real question |
| 19:16.30 | lunitik | efaistos: if I said yes, what would you then ask me? |
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| 19:17.20 | efaistos | i have some problem to print with it ... |
| 19:17.24 | efaistos | but must go right now :) |
| 19:17.27 | bkudria | i am trying to play a game in pcsx, but my joystick(s) aren't quite working. if i hit a directional button, the joystick acts as if i'm still holding that direction. bith work fine in zsnes...any idea about how to fix it? |
| 19:17.48 | lunitik | !lart efaistos |
| 19:17.59 | stoned | jelly-home, Raid |
| 19:18.00 | stoned | :) |
| 19:18.01 | zinx | bkudria: the joystick plugin you're using sucks, or isn't configured for pcsx |
| 19:18.08 | tmb | Is there a way to make GRUB wait, say, 20 seconds to autoboot into linux as opposed to 5 seconds? |
| 19:18.11 | Bushmills | is "is asking a metaquestion" a metaquestion? |
| 19:18.22 | stoned | anyway, its time for a Big Mac and Dr. Pepper with Super Sized fries |
| 19:18.22 | jelly-home | stoned: raid what? |
| 19:18.28 | stoned | :D |
| 19:18.34 | lunitik | tmb: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:18.35 | xelam | Bushmills: it's not a question... there's no question mark |
| 19:18.41 | stoned | McDonalds is nasty, but hey, its cheap and it fills you up |
| 19:18.42 | zinx | Bushmills: a metaquestion fragment, at most |
| 19:18.45 | bkudria | zinx: i've tried omnijoy and padjoy...is there something else? |
| 19:18.58 | lunitik | tmb: its the first option... |
| 19:19.06 | bkudria | zinx: i've configured both, and all the other keys work fine |
| 19:19.10 | tmb | thanks lunitik |
| 19:19.30 | lunitik | tmb: umm... second actually, 'timeout' |
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| 19:20.21 | Akbar | how do I set it back to ncurses install questions.. from the dialog |
| 19:20.33 | jelly-home | stoned: funny you mention raid, I think the 72 hr fsck scenario happened after a double failure on the raid 5 containing the fs. |
| 19:20.52 | dvs | Akbar: dpkg-reconfigure ncurses ? |
| 19:20.54 | petemc | Akbar: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 19:21.10 | tmb | another question, when i mount an ntfs partition is there a way for a regular user to access the mountpoint or is it only allowed for root? |
| 19:21.11 | Akbar | thanks |
| 19:21.37 | stoned | jelly, secretly however, I've been saving up money for a 750gb drive so I can use ext3 on it and backup my important data |
| 19:21.45 | stoned | jelly-home, you didn't hear me say that |
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| 19:21.56 | wols | tmb: give it an umask when mounting |
| 19:22.08 | dvs | stoned: you might run out of i-nodes if that is one partition |
| 19:22.16 | jelly-home | stoned: I'll keep it hush-hush. |
| 19:22.37 | wols | dvs: -N is helpful there |
| 19:22.59 | lunitik | Why does linux-headers depend something thats not in the archive? :'( |
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| 19:23.35 | jelly-home | dvs: isn't the default number of inodes directly proportional to partition size? |
| 19:24.09 | dvs | jelly-home: if you have a significant number of small files, you still can run out |
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| 19:25.03 | wols | lunitik: cause it's sid most probably |
| 19:25.19 | polishkoop | When I try to install debian etch on my system, i get an error that says no common cd-rom drive was detected. I've put in 2 different ones and I get the same thing. What is the problem? |
| 19:25.34 | bkudria | zinx: is there anything else i can try? |
| 19:25.53 | wols | how are those CDs connected to your PC? |
| 19:25.56 | lunitik | wols: linux-headers though? :/ |
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| 19:26.18 | jelly-home | dvs: could be. I've never seen a mail or news server run out of inodes though. The default is to make enough inodes to fill up the ext2/3 with 4KB files. |
| 19:26.21 | wols | lunitik: if you run sid, you should be able to compile your own kernel |
| 19:26.59 | stoned | wols, hehe, blunt aint ya |
| 19:27.00 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:27.25 | twisted`_ | it's true |
| 19:27.35 | Thunderguy | Hey, how would I set a simple bash script to run as a system service under a runlevel? |
| 19:28.18 | lunitik | wols: able and motivated are very different... compiling a kernel to apply a small patch isn't worth my while... thats besides the point though, what is linux-kbuild? |
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| 19:30.22 | lunitik | wols: I don't care enough about bootsplash to basically render my system useless for an hour or so... but I'd still like to check it out... |
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| 19:32.21 | Servo888 | I'm back :-) |
| 19:32.23 | Servo888 | I want to drop 20GB's from my 60GB partition... Now following the man pages I think I need to do... resize_reiserfs -s -20G /dev/hda3 | that would mean that hda3 would be 40GB's and 20G's would be free space right? |
| 19:32.35 | Servo888 | I cp'ed that from #knoppix. |
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| 19:33.13 | Shadowcat | why are you asking a knoppix question in here? |
| 19:34.00 | stoned | Servo888, are you using knoppix or debian? |
| 19:34.14 | Servo888 | Shadowcat, how is that a knoppix question? It's a GENERAL linux question. I'm just under knoppix livecd... Since #linux isn't around anymore I have no clue where to ask these questions. |
| 19:34.24 | stoned | Servo888, ##linux |
| 19:34.36 | Servo888 | knoppix is debian |
| 19:34.39 | stoned | Servo888, you'll get no support if you mention any other OS here but debian |
| 19:34.40 | Mech422 | hi all - from a 'compatibility' standpoint, am I better running a pentium D Dual core on the x86 stuff or the 64 bit stuff? I've heard the 64 bit distro's still have a few kinks? Does debian 64 bit have all the packages the x86 version does ? |
| 19:34.41 | Shadowcat | knoppix is not debian |
| 19:34.42 | stoned | !knoppix |
| 19:34.43 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 19:34.46 | stoned | !debian based |
| 19:34.46 | nile | Servo888, #linux has apparently stopped forwarding to ##linux. weird! |
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| 19:35.00 | Shadowcat | knoppix is not debian |
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| 19:35.31 | stoned | hey resiak man, long time no see |
| 19:35.35 | eucalre | sup |
| 19:35.38 | MaxInux5 | hi |
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| 19:35.44 | resiak | stoned: Hey |
| 19:35.48 | Shadowcat | and frankly I'm really sick of all the people on <insert debian based distro here> asking questions in here because 1) There's no one in their distro channels 2) They can't be bothered to find it 3) No one knows in there |
| 19:35.58 | Shadowcat | </rant> |
| 19:36.13 | dvs | Shadowcat: join the club |
| 19:36.17 | stoned | resiak, remember me! first thing I said to you was Kaiser spelled backwards, and then we had talk about Keyser Soze :D years and years ago |
| 19:36.18 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:36.26 | resiak | stoned: Yeah, I do vaguely remember =) |
| 19:36.36 | stoned | resiak, nice to see you again though |
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| 19:37.04 | resiak | stoned: I'm mostly just lurking |
| 19:37.14 | stoned | lurk away mate, lurk away |
| 19:37.50 | Servo888 | Shadowcat, wtf are you serious? I'm not asking a complicated question... Nor is it distro specific... But god forbid I insert that I'm using knoppix it's like any form of support has to be ceased... |
| 19:38.05 | stoned | dvs, Shadowcat, no really. Join the club. We meet every thursday. ;) |
| 19:38.15 | stoned | lol |
| 19:38.24 | stoned | we try to raise money for a feildtrip to amsterdam |
| 19:38.31 | dvs | cool! |
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| 19:38.37 | greendash | why would my bios report my total ram installed, which is almost 1.5gb, but sarge only sees almost 1gb? |
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| 19:38.43 | MaxInux5 | I'll think about it |
| 19:38.51 | dvs | greendash: the kernel needs to be recompiled |
| 19:39.15 | greendash | thanks, dvs |
| 19:39.19 | stoned | oh man, that was a hefty meal |
| 19:39.25 | dvs | greendash: you need highmem support |
| 19:39.35 | dvs | stoned: what was? |
| 19:39.49 | stoned | bigmac/fries/dr. pepper super size |
| 19:39.58 | dvs | stoned: and you still lived? |
| 19:40.00 | stoned | and I only wiegh 145lbs lol, I can't believe I can eat that much |
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| 19:40.23 | tijn | hey hey |
| 19:40.34 | jelly-home | hmm, (why) isn't there a 4GB enabled kernel in distro already? |
| 19:40.47 | petemc | there isnt? |
| 19:41.03 | beardy | stones? |
| 19:41.05 | greendash | dvs: thanks again. I'll be sure to enable it. |
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| 19:41.11 | jelly-home | Can't seem to find it with aptitude search kernel-image. |
| 19:41.16 | stoned | we don't use the metric system, we use the imperial system |
| 19:41.18 | petemc | i thought it was just the install kernels that didnt have highmem |
| 19:41.25 | stoned | europe and the rest of the world uses metric |
| 19:41.28 | Mech422 | because dividing by 14 is too much work :-P |
| 19:41.35 | tijn | hehe |
| 19:41.39 | stoned | USA uses imperial, I don't know why |
| 19:41.45 | stoned | I think metric is a better system anyway |
| 19:41.50 | dvs | stoned: too expensive to change over |
| 19:41.51 | jarango | I just tried obuntu for the very first time. Does/Can it use the same package repositories as debian ? |
| 19:41.58 | _ds | USA doesn't use proper Imperial, AIUI. |
| 19:42.17 | petemc | "proper@" ? |
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| 19:42.26 | stoned | lol |
| 19:42.26 | _ds | Slightly different units. |
| 19:42.29 | crissi_ | hi |
| 19:42.41 | stoned | !ubuntu |
| 19:42.41 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. An Ancient African word that means "I can't install Debian", according to Mark Pilgrim |
| 19:42.51 | stoned | !based on debian |
| 19:42.52 | crissi_ | i got some problems while trying apt-proxy at stable |
| 19:42.56 | stoned | fucking factoid |
| 19:42.57 | jelly-home | jarango: usually not. |
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| 19:43.09 | crissi_ | it just goes down without any reason.. logfile says nothinf |
| 19:43.13 | crissi_ | nothing |
| 19:43.23 | tijn | what is the standard name for a module i.e. nvidia |
| 19:43.27 | tijn | nvidia.so? |
| 19:43.37 | stoned | jarango, but to answer your questions, no, debian does NOT use the same packages as ubuntu. Ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 19:43.53 | jelly-home | jarango: you might experience all sorts of subtle and not-so-subtle problems if you mix ubuntu and debian repostiories. |
| 19:44.00 | tijn | but you CAN use debian packages under ubuntu |
| 19:44.02 | jarango | I was wondering what would happen if you change Ubuntu's apt sources to point to a debian mirror |
| 19:44.27 | tijn | ah well, mostly it works |
| 19:44.36 | crissi_ | any hints what could ne wrong |
| 19:44.37 | stoned | Iam Murdock wrote a pretty good article in his blog about universal *.deb packages that would work on any debian based distro |
| 19:44.44 | stoned | I think I lost the link |
| 19:44.44 | tijn | but i shouldnt use it on important machines |
| 19:44.48 | stoned | s/Iam/Ian |
| 19:44.55 | jelly-home | tijn: meh. Until a library can't find a symbol or something like that. |
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| 19:45.15 | tijn | jelly-home: indeed |
| 19:45.21 | tijn | but some thing work ;) |
| 19:45.31 | _ds | Anyway, other things... I don't think that there's a proper way of preventing some package sources from running auto* every time a build is done. |
| 19:45.35 | tijn | like w32codecs |
| 19:45.55 | jelly-home | tijn: well. Some rpms and tgzs work too (when alienized)... |
| 19:45.58 | coderhasan | interesting |
| 19:46.06 | _ds | Main reason is that changes to cause autogen.sh to be run every time were committed to xine-lib CVS today... |
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| 19:46.34 | Mech422 | Hmm - so no-one has any recommendations for a really stable Debian for pentium D ? I a lil hesitant to go to the ia64 stuff when the installer page stays JFS is broken (ie - what else is broken?) |
| 19:47.30 | _ds | ISTM that DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noauto would be useful for controlling this. Any thoughts? |
| 19:47.53 | jelly-home | Mech422: we have normal i386 Debian running on a number of em64t capable servers. |
| 19:48.21 | Mech422 | jelly-home: thats what I've done in the past... just wasn't sure how far ia64 support had come ? |
| 19:48.31 | Ex-Cyber | Mech422: what does ia64 have to do with Pentium D? Or are you talking about buying different hardware? |
| 19:48.33 | tijn | jelly-home: yes, but they use alien (tgzs is a complete different story btw) but ubuntu is debian based, how else could a new distro get a repository for all those packages..? its all stolen from debian i tell you ;) |
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| 19:48.43 | jelly-home | Mech422: you mean amd64 (ia64 is itanium) |
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| 19:49.23 | tijn | tgz is distro independent jelly-home btw.. |
| 19:49.27 | Mech422 | Err - Pentium D dual core - I thought had the EMT64 extensions - lemme double check the box |
| 19:49.30 | cyzie | hi, i got the following errors in whenever i lauch OpenOffice. /usr/lib/openoffice/program/javaldx: error while loading shared libraries: libuno_sal.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:49.32 | cyzie | and this "/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libvcl680li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 19:49.33 | cyzie | where have i gone wrong? |
| 19:49.45 | jelly-home | Mech422: I couldn't answer your question though, not familiar with amd64 / x86-64 / x64 or whatever it's called. |
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| 19:50.17 | andres2 | hi |
| 19:50.20 | tijn | hey |
| 19:50.34 | nile | what's the command to create a maildir folder? |
| 19:50.52 | jelly-home | Mech422: Debian calls the 64bit arch "amd64". Both intel em64t and amd's cpus run the same userspace 64bit binaries. |
| 19:50.53 | petemc | theres a maildirmake command |
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| 19:51.04 | petemc | dunno what package its in tho |
| 19:51.49 | andres2 | how to configure fetchmail as a mail gateway ? |
| 19:51.50 | tijn | how can i see wich proccess locks my cdrom? |
| 19:51.57 | Mech422 | jelly-home: oh ? all I see on the installers page is a link for ia64 - I assumed that was it ? |
| 19:52.05 | petemc | tijn: lsof |
| 19:52.12 | nile | yeah, maildirmake is what I'm thinking of. not on my system, though |
| 19:52.39 | tijn | petemc: thnx m8 |
| 19:52.47 | andres2 | tijn, lsof|grep cdrom |
| 19:52.57 | dvs | !find maildirmake sarge |
| 19:53.00 | jelly-home | nile: you can just make the directory structure yourself. |
| 19:53.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'maildirmake' (4): (/usr/bin/maildirmake.courier) in mail/courier-base ;; (/usr/bin/maildirmake.dovecot) in mail/dovecot-common ;; (/usr/share/doc/courier-doc/htmldoc/maildirmake.html) in doc/courier-doc ;; (/usr/bin/maildirmake.maildrop, /usr/share/doc/maildrop/html/maildirmake.html) in mail/maildrop. |
| 19:53.19 | petemc | exim creates the maildir structure if not present at first deliver |
| 19:53.21 | petemc | y |
| 19:53.23 | jelly-home | nile: mkdir -p wherever/tmp wherever/cur wherever/new |
| 19:53.29 | nile | jelly-home, dvs, thanks |
| 19:53.39 | Mech422 | jelly-home: sounds like I should just stick with x86 for now - I'm pretty lost on the 64bit stuff |
| 19:53.51 | Mech422 | jelly-home: thanks for the help |
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| 19:54.05 | tijn | andres2: knew that, but thnx ;) |
| 19:54.06 | _ds | Mech422: if you're running a 64-bit kernel, that's a start... |
| 19:54.33 | phaedrus44 | omg i have totally screwed this system up |
| 19:54.34 | phaedrus44 | hehe |
| 19:54.40 | jelly-home | Mech422: apparently it works rather well, judging by the number of people using it, and it's slated to be included in the next Debian release. |
| 19:55.01 | phaedrus44 | i was upgrading to 2.6.15 and forgot to take out backports entry in my sources.list |
| 19:55.18 | tijn | darn, i installed nvidia drivers, i can modprobe, and do lsmod.. |
| 19:55.21 | jelly-home | Mech422: /msg dpkg amd64 maybe |
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| 19:55.24 | nile | ah, I just used mutt to create it. easy enough :) |
| 19:55.30 | tijn | but xorg cant see/find them |
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| 19:55.37 | Mech422 | oh - so should I be looking in 'etch' for the amd64 stuff ? |
| 19:55.47 | _ds | Mech422, yes. |
| 19:55.50 | _ds | Or unstable :-) |
| 19:55.52 | Mech422 | ahh |
| 19:55.55 | Mech422 | my bad |
| 19:55.55 | phaedrus44 | how can i reinstall debian while i save my home directory and all my programs? |
| 19:56.08 | tijn | just save your home dir |
| 19:56.10 | tijn | :D |
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| 19:56.19 | tijn | programs, you have to reinstall |
| 19:56.27 | phaedrus44 | whatabout all that was in /usr/bin/local ? |
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| 19:56.30 | tijn | but settings for programs are saved |
| 19:56.38 | phaedrus44 | oh ok.. |
| 19:56.39 | phaedrus44 | thanks |
| 19:56.46 | tijn | np |
| 19:56.57 | phaedrus44 | when i reboot to new install i just replace the whole home dir? |
| 19:57.15 | tijn | yep |
| 19:57.18 | MTecknology | I wanted to update a wiki but I don't want to get another wiki account... can somebody add /etc/X11/xorg.conf as an option for step 3 in http://wiki.debian.org/?SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 19:57.39 | tijn | whats handy, mount your homedir on a other partition |
| 19:57.55 | phaedrus44 | okoh..yeah ill do that |
| 19:58.00 | tijn | when you reinstall, you have your exact desktop back + all settings |
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| 19:58.12 | tijn | just apt-get the programs, and you fine :D |
| 19:58.21 | phaedrus44 | sweet thanks |
| 19:58.28 | tijn | np |
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| 19:59.24 | phaedrus44 | welp...here goes nothing |
| 19:59.44 | tijn | good luck |
| 19:59.47 | stoned | http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 19:59.59 | stoned | stew, you around? |
| 20:00.18 | phaedrus44 | thanks tijn...i just have this so messed up...that a 30 minute install seems the best option at this point |
| 20:00.19 | phaedrus44 | hehe |
| 20:00.31 | tijn | :D |
| 20:00.37 | tijn | sometimes that works ;) |
| 20:00.59 | tijn | i always see cool apps, install them, fuck them up, forget about them :) |
| 20:01.13 | tijn | so a reinstall sometime is handy ;) |
| 20:02.40 | tmb | what's an easy way to automount an ntfs partition and let regular users have access to it |
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| 20:04.27 | phaedrus44 | tmb fstab |
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| 20:05.11 | stoned | tmb, modify /etc/fstab. host:/share /mount/point nfs options,soft 0 0 |
| 20:05.12 | stoned | etc. |
| 20:05.26 | petemc | ntfs |
| 20:05.34 | stoned | im a blind man |
| 20:05.36 | stoned | lol |
| 20:05.44 | petemc | umask=022 |
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| 20:05.58 | tmb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.04 | tmb | that's what i have as an entry |
| 20:06.16 | tmb | do i need to restart the computer? |
| 20:06.20 | stoned | no |
| 20:06.28 | stoned | tmb, sudo mount -a |
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| 20:07.02 | Akbar | :) |
| 20:07.07 | tmb | excellent |
| 20:07.16 | stoned | I must spam music |
| 20:07.19 | stoned | but not here |
| 20:07.22 | stoned | :D |
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| 20:08.35 | stoned | ahh |
| 20:08.36 | stoned | I got it |
| 20:09.06 | stoned | NP: Nile -|- Black Seeds Of Vengeance -|- " Defiling The Gates Of Ishtar " -|- (Death Metal) -|- (rating: 0/0) |
| 20:09.49 | stoned | saturday afternoon, its dead in here |
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| 20:10.28 | _ds | Saturday evening. People probably watching the football... |
| 20:10.42 | stoned | I don't even have a tv man |
| 20:10.45 | nile | lol |
| 20:10.48 | stoned | well, I have a tv, just not cable |
| 20:10.55 | stoned | and regular local channels dont' show the worldcup |
| 20:10.57 | tijn | football? |
| 20:11.07 | stoned | soccer as known in america |
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| 20:11.25 | tijn | ah world championship? i thought it was already over by now :) |
| 20:11.25 | stoned | nah |
| 20:11.42 | _ds | No. Final tomorrow (6pm GMT). |
| 20:11.54 | tijn | ah |
| 20:12.01 | lurker99 | scorebot play-by-play on ##world-cup-2006 is priceless... |
| 20:12.08 | _ds | Germany 1-0, BTW. |
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| 20:12.48 | dvs | 1:30 EDT |
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| 20:16.16 | nse | hello, is there a way to view the history of my clipboard? i am using gnome |
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| 20:16.47 | lurker99 | stoned: check the spanish stations. |
| 20:17.10 | dvs | ouch! |
| 20:17.39 | _ds | Nice O.G... ;-) |
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| 20:18.36 | stoned | lurker99, ? |
| 20:18.39 | phaedrus44 | when i do fdisk -l i cannot find my usb hard drive yet it is pluged in.....what should i do to find it? |
| 20:18.44 | tijn | nse: well, under kde you have klipper oid |
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| 20:19.14 | phaedrus44 | actually fdisk -l list nothing at all |
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| 20:20.31 | tijn | i really need some help here with nvidia |
| 20:20.47 | tijn | everythings is ok, but xorg cant load nvidia |
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| 20:21.12 | mtomczak | tijn: I had that problem forever. What kernel version are you using? |
| 20:21.41 | tijn | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 20:21.53 | tijn | wierd problem |
| 20:21.59 | tijn | never had any trouble with it :S |
| 20:22.38 | ttick | who |
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| 20:22.41 | ttick | mistell |
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| 20:23.30 | mtomczak | Question for the group: what would be the "regular" place to put a subversion repository's files for a publicly-accessible repository? |
| 20:24.16 | disorder | tijn: try compiling nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:24.16 | mtomczak | tijn: Is it simply failing to load? What sort of error message do you get? |
| 20:25.07 | tijn | (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" |
| 20:25.07 | tijn | (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia |
| 20:25.07 | tijn | (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" |
| 20:25.07 | tijn | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 20:25.29 | tijn | meh, that was only 3 lines :S |
| 20:25.34 | tijn | hhehe ;) |
| 20:25.49 | zinx | 1 line is too much |
| 20:25.56 | zinx | if it's a paste, anyway :D |
| 20:26.07 | tijn | true ;) |
| 20:26.21 | tijn | sorry ;) |
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| 20:26.30 | zinx | anyway, looks like you don't have the drivers installed.. did you install the nvidia-glx package? |
| 20:26.50 | tijn | zinx: well i just installed the nvidia package from nvidia.com |
| 20:26.56 | tijn | that worked always |
| 20:27.02 | zinx | uninstall that and install the debianized drivers |
| 20:27.10 | tijn | if i modprobe nvidia , it just loads ok |
| 20:27.19 | zinx | it's saying it can't find the X module |
| 20:27.21 | zinx | not the kernel module |
| 20:27.39 | zinx | 'nvidia_drv.o' or .so, i forget |
| 20:27.46 | tijn | aha |
| 20:27.52 | zinx | (but definitely not .ko) |
| 20:28.05 | tijn | gonna search moment plz ;( |
| 20:28.07 | tijn | :) |
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| 20:29.05 | tijn | i have that module |
| 20:29.24 | tijn | its in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
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| 20:29.54 | _ds | Anybody here using USB mice with ID 05fe:0011? There's some oddness about the buttons (understood and patched around locally)... |
| 20:30.36 | disorder | tijn: then it's not the right place |
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| 20:31.41 | tijn | disorder: good point |
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| 20:32.18 | disorder | tijn: i had to make package myself from nvidia-kernel-source. it worked |
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| 20:32.50 | tijn | hmmm |
| 20:32.51 | tijn | wierd |
| 20:33.06 | tijn | is this since a specific kernel? |
| 20:33.26 | disorder | tijn: i use 2.6.8-2 |
| 20:33.32 | disorder | k7 |
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| 20:33.46 | tijn | hmm used the same, and it worked |
| 20:33.47 | tijn | wierd :D |
| 20:34.03 | tijn | can you tell me where your module is located? |
| 20:34.09 | tijn | nvidia_drv.so? |
| 20:34.14 | disorder | tijn: maybe xorg |
| 20:34.17 | tijn | sorry .o |
| 20:34.23 | freakzoid0223 | Hello, sound works great with 2.4 kernel but I get no sound wiith 2.6 am I missing a package? |
| 20:35.30 | tijn | disorder: it aint specified in xorg.conf |
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| 20:36.04 | _ds | freakzoid0223, what hardware? (lspci; you're looking for "multimedia audio controller") |
| 20:36.05 | disorder | tijn: maybe i does'nt work because of Xorg |
| 20:36.27 | disorder | tijn: it's in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers |
| 20:36.36 | tijn | thnx |
| 20:36.44 | freakzoid0223 | one sec I know its intergrated intel (on a IBM thinkpad r50) |
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| 20:37.37 | tijn | disorder: IT WORKS :D |
| 20:37.42 | tijn | w00t thnx m8 :) |
| 20:37.47 | disorder | np |
| 20:37.52 | tijn | just cp'd the file to that dir |
| 20:37.53 | tijn | :) |
| 20:38.12 | tijn | wierd btw :) |
| 20:38.17 | _ds | freakzoid0223, does lsmod list any snd_* modules? (Not familiar with those laptops, but I'd guess snd_intel8x0) |
| 20:38.21 | tijn | but what the hell, it works :D |
| 20:38.41 | _ds | Might also be worth running a mixer app such as alsamixer or alsamixergui. |
| 20:39.44 | freakzoid0223 | intel 82801-DB-ICH4 .....................synth audio and midi NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG |
| 20:40.19 | freakzoid0223 | via Kinfo |
| 20:40.53 | freakzoid0223 | try alsamixer then? |
| 20:41.13 | _ds | That'll only work if a driver for the hardware is loaded. |
| 20:41.33 | freakzoid0223 | I can live with the 2.4 kernel but, |
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| 20:41.43 | mtomczak | Does anyone know where inetd dumps its log file? |
| 20:42.43 | _ds | freakzoid0223, any sound modules loaded? |
| 20:43.16 | _ds | Also, is alsa-base installed? |
| 20:43.21 | freakzoid0223 | sd_mod 21728 0? |
| 20:43.47 | _ds | No, that's "SCSI disk" (which is also used for things like USB mass storage). |
| 20:43.53 | dvs | 'bout time |
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| 20:44.46 | freakzoid0223 | alsabase is NOT loaded so im gonn try that |
| 20:46.42 | _ds | Random question: anything in /sys/class/sound? |
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| 20:47.21 | freakzoid0223 | found snd_intel 80xm plus several others |
| 20:47.47 | _ds | In /sys? |
| 20:47.56 | _ds | (Well, somewhere below /sys?) |
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| 20:48.36 | freakzoid0223 | that was in my home dir |
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| 20:49.16 | _ds | Odd place for them, unless you've been building your own kernels or something... |
| 20:49.30 | freakzoid0223 | no usin stock |
| 20:49.49 | freakzoid0223 | got same list in /sys/class/sound |
| 20:49.49 | _ds | alsa_base installed yet? |
| 20:49.56 | _ds | Oh, right. |
| 20:50.16 | freakzoid0223 | not yet, will i have to reboot? |
| 20:50.20 | qwertz_ | Hi, trying to install openswan. ipsec verify shows "Please disable /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/send_redirects" so I could do this by hand but is there a way to configure this option so that it will be active after restart? |
| 20:50.28 | arfab | Heya, I'm looking for an ISO for a minimal install CD for deb. unstable and only seem to be able to find ISOs for stable, do you know where I can get it? |
| 20:50.30 | _ds | No reboot needed. Anyway, the driver should be loaded, then - check: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 20:52.45 | nvz | ah, this is more like it. |
| 20:53.00 | nvz | feels good to be here in irssi and not chatzilla :P |
| 20:53.37 | arfab | <-- idiot... I just found it. (can you tell I'm not into all that rtfm??) |
| 20:53.39 | freakzoid0223 | _ds: Its there |
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| 20:54.46 | nvz | that remark reminds me of that comedian who said you shouldnt wear and I'm with stupid shirt if you are by yourself |
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| 20:55.21 | arfab | Are the package repositories for amd64 as big as the ones for i386? |
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| 20:55.50 | _ds | freakzoid0223, run alsamixer or alsamixergui (preferably with alsa-base already installed). |
| 20:55.51 | nvz | arfab: no, amd64 is not officially supported as an arch yet IIRC |
| 20:56.02 | arfab | fair enough |
| 20:56.22 | nvz | I am using etch in a virtual machine on AMD64 right now.. tried the amd64 kernel and it crashed the vm :P |
| 20:56.33 | nvz | so I went back to using i386 |
| 20:56.34 | Kilopopo | hi |
| 20:56.41 | arfab | ah right |
| 20:56.46 | Kilopopo | what can cpu can you use with am2 sockets????????? |
| 20:56.52 | arfab | k, I'll stick to 386 for now then |
| 20:57.04 | nvz | the vm told me had I done that on a real machine it would have been nasty |
| 20:57.27 | arfab | Do you know what version of the kernel comes with etch or sid by default? |
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| 20:57.55 | Kilopopo | who is etch> |
| 20:57.59 | Kilopopo | who is etch? |
| 20:58.09 | rhys | isnt etch an old version of debian? |
| 20:58.21 | gaussian | no it is testing |
| 20:58.22 | arfab | I thought etch was the testing branch... |
| 20:58.26 | dvs | rhys: it's the NEXT version of debian |
| 20:58.27 | disorder | etch is testing |
| 20:58.30 | arfab | ^^ |
| 20:58.38 | nile | etch is the testing branch |
| 20:59.02 | nvz | arfab: look on a mirror would be a good idea |
| 20:59.08 | rhys | i thought Sid was |
| 20:59.18 | gaussian | unstable |
| 20:59.29 | nile | sid is always the unstable branch, regardless of current stable |
| 20:59.40 | rhys | oh |
| 20:59.46 | nvz | sid is and always be unstable in the forseeable future |
| 21:00.03 | nvz | unless the release cycle changes drastically and also the naming scheme |
| 21:00.28 | zinx | i wouldn't run a 'stable' distro named sid :P |
| 21:00.39 | rhys | this is my 6th burn.. |
| 21:00.40 | rhys | :( |
| 21:00.40 | gaussian | now stable is sarge :) |
| 21:00.49 | rhys | not a single fooking debian cd has been right |
| 21:01.04 | nile | what happens when we run out of Toy Story character names? |
| 21:01.04 | rhys | ive tried nero, alcohol120, and now im on BurnCDCC |
| 21:01.10 | zinx | rhys: sounds like you don't know what you're doing :/ |
| 21:01.21 | ejk | Indeed |
| 21:01.38 | rhys | when i burn a cd, and it tells me intergretiy has failed, and something goes wrong on the install.. |
| 21:01.45 | wols | nile: we pray pixar makes more movies |
| 21:01.53 | charzero | rhys: did you check the md5 on the iso? |
| 21:02.02 | nvz | arfab: better yet, http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ would tell you |
| 21:02.04 | rhys | charzero, twice |
| 21:02.04 | wols | rhys: check the ISOs _before_ you burn them |
| 21:02.12 | nile | rhys, have you been burning them as ISO images? |
| 21:02.19 | robin_sz | OK. so imagine I installed a debian package, say, motion (the cctv monitor tool) how do I find out of it was built with mysql support? |
| 21:02.21 | rhys | nile, im not that stupid |
| 21:02.24 | nvz | arfab: you could of course sub unstable for testing to see whats in sid |
| 21:02.40 | wols | robin_sz: when it depends on mysql most likely or at least suggests it |
| 21:02.44 | rhys | the install works...sometimes. :\ as in some files will copy correctly, others will give me an error |
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| 21:02.51 | rhys | this last one partman hit the error |
| 21:02.54 | nile | rhys, just trying to help |
| 21:02.55 | zinx | rhys: maybe your drive's broken |
| 21:02.56 | disorder | rhys: it's pretty common mistake :) |
| 21:03.04 | rhys | disorder , seriously? |
| 21:03.06 | arfab | nvz, TY :) |
| 21:03.11 | robin_sz | wols, right .. and back to my question, how do i find that out? |
| 21:03.15 | rhys | im wondering about the drive |
| 21:03.20 | rhys | i got a spare around somewhere in the shop |
| 21:03.30 | zinx | rhys: yes. very common - the other common mistake is to extract the files from the .iso, and then burn as a new ISO9660 filesystem. |
| 21:03.35 | disorder | rhys: relatively :) |
| 21:03.42 | zinx | rhys: which effectively removes any chance of the thing booting |
| 21:03.49 | rhys | zinx, aye. |
| 21:04.16 | rhys | friend of mine burned all 14 cds for my HPPA box, and it works fine |
| 21:04.22 | rhys | but mine. |
| 21:04.28 | rhys | after this im going to find another burner |
| 21:04.46 | zinx | just get the business card cd |
| 21:04.53 | zinx | minimize your chance of errors :D |
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| 21:05.04 | nvz | arfab: YW :P |
| 21:05.08 | wols | robin_sz: man apt-cache |
| 21:05.46 | rhys | zinx..i dont know how many times i have to mention, 30k dialup doesnt allow for me to pull all my packages off the net. |
| 21:05.56 | rhys | not everyone has highspeed |
| 21:05.57 | rhys | :( |
| 21:05.58 | arfab | indeed |
| 21:06.02 | rhys | not everyone can even get highspeed |
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| 21:06.11 | nvz | hmm I swear I upgraded this system to etch already.. but I tried to install "desktop system" and ran into severe breakage so I must not have fully upgraded :P |
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| 21:07.24 | rhys | fooking timewarner. i offered to dig the trench and bury the line..wouldnt do it. i offered them to hook up a little box so i could put a wifi point to point link...the guy explained to me "well that would be like asking for cable service to your dog in his doghouse."...."IF IM THE ONE PAYING FOR IT, AND I WANT MY DOG TO HAVE CABLE, YOU SHOULD FUCKING HOOK IT UP!!"...he hung up on me. |
| 21:07.54 | Kilopopo | do you guys know what cpu you can use with am2 socket |
| 21:08.00 | arfab | lol rhys |
| 21:08.20 | nvz | rhys: they sure know how to close a deal with a potential customer |
| 21:08.27 | mtomczak | rhys: What about an elaborate system of mirrors and telescopes, leading from your TV room to the doghouse? |
| 21:08.51 | arfab | or maybe just a piece of string and 2 paper cups? |
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| 21:09.00 | rhys | nvz, i know. :( and the bad bit is i have a desiel trencher, and i have around 300m of cat6. :( its only 700m to the main line. |
| 21:09.11 | rhys | i could get another 400m of cat6 |
| 21:10.06 | nvz | rhys: screw em.. who needs cable :P |
| 21:10.15 | rhys | lol. no...i have some wireless routers lieing around, not to mention a few dish net parabolic reflectors. and since i have my ham license i could just put my callsign as the SSID and transmit at 10w...not that i would even need 1 wt, 700m with LOS, 2 biquad few parbolic reflectors... |
| 21:10.34 | rhys | nvz...the people who want internet transfers over 3k/s? :( |
| 21:10.48 | rhys | fed* |
| 21:11.27 | zinx | rhys: uhm, they can hang up if you cuss |
| 21:11.31 | nvz | I must say adelphia isnt too bad though.. their customer service has always been good, and the speeds on this modem are decent I get between 600-900kb/s often to fast servers.. I average about 500kb/s to my package mirror right now |
| 21:11.31 | zinx | rhys: don't hang up |
| 21:11.37 | zinx | rhys: erh, don't cuss |
| 21:11.40 | zinx | rhys: :x |
| 21:12.06 | rhys | zinx, i called back. i tried with timewarner for about a week. |
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| 21:12.18 | nvz | though they charge more than comcast in Pittsburgh I think.. its like $45/mo or so for cable internet |
| 21:12.37 | rhys | started on wed or so...and like on saturday i got an engineer to call me |
| 21:12.43 | nvz | but comcast doesnt have as good speed or service |
| 21:12.55 | rhys | they said they just dont do that, or even consider hooking it up. they will tell you where they will hook it up to your house. you dont get any choice |
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| 21:14.20 | nvz | rhys: from your outside wall to their pole is their responsibility.. so its perfectly understandable they want to choose where it goes and do it themselves if they are going to be responsible for it working and line maint. |
| 21:14.30 | MatBoy | when you connect with fstab to a samba share, it it possible to MD5 the password that you type in the fstab ? |
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| 21:15.01 | rhys | nvz, they should be responsible for the connection to the main line. thats it. ill do everything else |
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| 21:15.14 | rhys | like the phone company. as soon as the line hits our property, its our problem |
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| 21:16.23 | arfab | Right, I'm off to do an install. See you shortly party people |
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| 21:16.49 | arfab | /me sings: "What is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more!!" |
| 21:16.56 | arfab | wtf |
| 21:17.11 | arfab | that's more like it |
| 21:17.19 | rhys | lol |
| 21:17.31 | rhys | is that a good song? love+pain. yay. |
| 21:17.33 | rockstar_ | Is anyone here going to Defcon 14? |
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| 21:17.54 | rhys | in LasVegas? |
| 21:17.55 | charzero | Do all internet providers say "always on! always fast! providerdoesnotguaranteespeedsoruninterupptedconnection" |
| 21:18.21 | rhys | roffle |
| 21:18.41 | rhys | charzero ,fookers. and now that cable is completely deregulated, if you want it, you will have to pay what they say fori t |
| 21:18.44 | rhys | fookers |
| 21:18.49 | charzero | If my connection drops for a day, I don't want to pay for that day. |
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| 21:19.28 | charzero | And they keep saying its a modem problem and keep replacing the modem. The problem never goes away. You'd think they'd look at the line. |
| 21:19.53 | nvz | charzero: they generally feel you have no choice in the matter all you can do is tell them keep my shit working or I dont pay you anymore and I find service elsewhere |
| 21:20.08 | rhys | charzero, the solution is looking more and more like we should go to the cable company and kill them all. |
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| 21:20.33 | charzero | Timewarner is the only company that offers any kind of high speed connection in my town. |
| 21:20.45 | nvz | exactly |
| 21:20.50 | rhys | if 3 or 4 places around the country got hit by disguntled internet users... |
| 21:20.56 | rhys | with AKs. |
| 21:21.02 | rhys | they would go like the post office |
| 21:21.19 | rhys | "we love our customers. would you like a month of free service? :D of course. " |
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| 21:21.24 | charzero | I feel bad. I explain all the problems to the tech support guys on the phone, but they don't have the power to do anything. |
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| 21:21.31 | charzero | Its not their fault. |
| 21:21.44 | _ds | Reminds me of a Two Ronnies joke: new second-class parcel delivery service. The drop kick. |
| 21:21.53 | mad_slackie | a good night to all ladies and gentlemans! |
| 21:21.55 | rhys | i guess USPS now lets their workers just take as much vacation time as they want... |
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| 21:22.13 | rhys | so they dont kill all their coworkers |
| 21:22.22 | charzero | I guess if you want service, you need to get a business class connection and negotiate a contract and price. |
| 21:22.27 | nvz | of course not, they are usually highly unknowledgable sub contracted companies following a list of proceedures given to them by someone else who knows nothing |
| 21:22.30 | rockstar_ | charzero, sometimes I say things "Do you support connecting via PPPoE as well as PPPoA?" and there's silence... |
| 21:22.34 | tgz2 | when going from sarge to sid i read something about putting security in as testing, is this correct? |
| 21:23.01 | charzero | rockstar_: I say things like "I'm sorry, I don't use Windows.", and there is silence. |
| 21:23.12 | rockstar_ | charzero, Yeah, I fake that stuff. |
| 21:23.13 | nvz | tgz2: or just go to etch first. might avoid problems better |
| 21:23.26 | rhys | tech support? |
| 21:23.36 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.39 | rhys | i stopped calling tech support when my gateway died. |
| 21:23.43 | charzero | rockstar_: I also say stuff like "Oh, of course I'm not running a mail server and web server on my residential line." |
| 21:24.02 | nvz | you cant tell them you dont use windows if thats all the support.. just translate.. when they say open My Network Connections, you open /etc/network/interfaces and say uh, huh |
| 21:24.03 | rhys | 3 years ago...yea. i realized i knew more than any of the tech support people. |
| 21:24.29 | stoned | nvz, thats what I do. If they ask me what version of windows I am running, I just say XP |
| 21:24.33 | charzero | Although business class isn't any better. I spend 3 hours on the phone with MCI/Verizon/UUNet trying to convince them that MCI=Verizon=UUnet and none of them peer with my ISP. |
| 21:24.34 | rhys | tech support should call me |
| 21:24.37 | charzero | (routing problem) |
| 21:24.38 | stoned | otherwise most of the time they deny you support |
| 21:24.51 | rockstar_ | charzero, That's hilarious. I'll say things like "Yea, I actually have to authenticate with DynDNS, so I need to put my modem in transparent mode" and there is more silence. |
| 21:24.54 | stoned | fucking assholes, and I have not called any sort of tech support except when my cable modem goes down |
| 21:25.01 | nvz | stoned: you gotta be smarter than what you are working with sometimes |
| 21:25.07 | stoned | nvz, indeed |
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| 21:25.22 | rhys | solution, kill them all |
| 21:25.26 | becks` | hi, is it possible to show all the packages that i installed using apt-get? |
| 21:25.28 | rhys | then they will be nicer |
| 21:25.39 | charzero | becks`: dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:25.44 | wols | dpkg -l |
| 21:25.45 | becks` | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:26.06 | charzero | becks`: man dpkg will tell you about all sorts of cool stuff you wish you knew (: |
| 21:26.17 | becks` | hehe ok thx ;) |
| 21:26.23 | nvz | stoned: personally I find it hilarious making them think I am on windows and have to click all these things and bring up all these various windows, when I really only have to type $editor /etc/network/interfaces and I dont even have to do that much cause I have tab-completion |
| 21:26.27 | charzero | (so long as your first language is 'unix man' and not English) |
| 21:26.32 | rockstar_ | stoned, We kicked the cable modem -- DSL is faster and cheaper here. |
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| 21:26.52 | sgeigerbot | When I rsync to an msdos filesystem (apparently the most compatible option I can choose for my external USB HD) it seems that every single file gets copied every time I run my rsync command. What's wrong? |
| 21:27.00 | charzero | Does anybody offer DSL without phone service. |
| 21:27.04 | charzero | ? |
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| 21:27.54 | robin_sz | sgeigerbot, dates? |
| 21:28.26 | rockstar_ | I have two laptops, a 2GHz and a 650MHz, and I started the kernel compile on the 650MHz about half an hour before the other one. The 2GHz just pulled ahead |
| 21:28.28 | nvz | sgeigerbot: without any real context as to what command you are typing and what data you are dealing with.. I would suspect it could have something to do with the naming limitations of that fs.. which make it seem as though none of the same files are on that fs.. |
| 21:28.54 | nvz | sgeigerbot: if I were you I'd take all my data off there and reformat the drive |
| 21:28.59 | wols | FAT doesn't have atime,ctime,mtime. FAT only has one single timestamp |
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| 21:29.48 | robin_sz | using msdos as a disk format is a bit odd I have to say, unless you need to hookit up to an old msdos machine sometimes |
| 21:29.56 | Sir-vince | I have 2 servers, (server 1 and server 2) Server 1 needs to check if server 2 is online before it makes a vpn tunnel, first how do i check if server 2 is online without using ping, and how do i change the ip when i check if server 2 is offline, so the ip would be somthing lige 0.0.0.0 and mac 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 21:30.02 | MatBoy | Does someone know about a problem in Etch at the moment that smbfs is not working properly anymore while mounting ? |
| 21:30.04 | nvz | newer versions of FAT or NTFS have both creation and modified times |
| 21:30.33 | stoned | rockstar_, dsl here is very slow, because it is runningon 20 year old lines and cable here is MUCH MUCH faster than dsl, I've tried |
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| 21:30.42 | nvz | robin_sz: right, and how the hell would you hook a USB hard drive to msdos? |
| 21:30.59 | robin_sz | nvz, with an IDE cable presumably? |
| 21:31.45 | nvz | sure if you take it out of the USB enclosure I suppose |
| 21:31.52 | robin_sz | well, sure |
| 21:32.02 | rockstar_ | stoned, Yeah, it's just about the area. |
| 21:32.20 | robin_sz | it was the only possible reason I could think of for using msdos format voluntarily |
| 21:32.35 | stoned | rockstar_, so are you really a rockstar? |
| 21:33.15 | stoned | When I was 8 I promised my dad I would be one by the time I am 30, and I am almost there. I play in a lot of underground techncial death metal bands, mostly neoclassical guitar shred, tech. death style |
| 21:33.28 | stoned | but my nicknames is stoned, reflecting my passion in life |
| 21:33.28 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.32 | robin_sz | nvz, the only other reason I know is "im using this format because someone has a gun to my head" .. |
| 21:33.56 | rockstar_ | stoned, pretty much just a wannabe -- are you really stoned? |
| 21:33.58 | nvz | robin_sz: I think I'd rather test their ability to put me out of my misery |
| 21:34.00 | stoned | budds and music made my life go around, until I discovered debian |
| 21:34.09 | rockstar_ | Someone kick user- |
| 21:34.10 | stoned | now its 3 things, weed, music/guitar, debian |
| 21:34.14 | robin_sz | nvz, yeah, god call |
| 21:34.16 | rockstar_ | ...for trolling. |
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| 21:34.19 | robin_sz | oops, good call |
| 21:34.21 | orcdestroyer | hello |
| 21:34.30 | orcdestroyer | for check badblocks |
| 21:34.31 | orcdestroyer | badblocks -t random ? |
| 21:34.35 | orcdestroyer | is right? |
| 21:34.41 | charzero | stoned: debian makes your life go round? i like debian, but thats pretty sad. |
| 21:34.47 | nvz | user-: have anything related to debian to discuss? |
| 21:35.09 | stoned | charzero, maybe for you |
| 21:35.25 | dabreegster | charzero: Why's it sad? |
| 21:35.35 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:35.42 | charzero | its a collection of computer programs. |
| 21:35.58 | nvz | debian is a big part of my life as well.. gives me something to think about thats more interesting than the linup on tv |
| 21:35.59 | rockstar_ | Do we have an admin in here that can finish user- off? |
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| 21:36.20 | nvz | rockstar_: please /ignore if you dont know how to do things around here |
| 21:36.28 | stoned | charzero, I am currently translating the debian installer and localizing it in my language, I am also making packages and soon will try to find a sponsor and apply for a package maintener. Plus it looks good on your resume too. So there is a dual purpose to why/how debian makes my life go around |
| 21:36.34 | dabreegster | rockstar_: I told dpkg to report him |
| 21:36.39 | rockstar_ | nvz, usually we have an admin in here. |
| 21:36.43 | charzero | stoned: fair enough. |
| 21:36.45 | rockstar_ | dabreegster, Thanks. |
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| 21:36.58 | charzero | stoned: what is your language? |
| 21:37.01 | stoned | Urdu |
| 21:37.05 | stoned | !ur |
| 21:37.06 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 21:37.17 | MatBoy | !smbfs |
| 21:37.18 | dpkg | somebody said smbfs was the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs. |
| 21:37.22 | nvz | rockstar_: first of all, they are operators, not admins. secondly, we do not "finish off" and guests here. and finally he left on his own free will. |
| 21:37.24 | BarryAllen | hi all, etch dont have support (by default) to more than 1gb of ram? |
| 21:37.45 | charzero | stoned: where do you live? |
| 21:37.56 | nvz | rockstar_: in the future you could get the _operators_ attention using !ops user- is trolling |
| 21:38.01 | tictac | BarryAllen: no. you need large mem support for anything over 950 or so. |
| 21:38.23 | BarryAllen | tictac, ok, ill rebuild the kernel so... :( |
| 21:38.25 | BarryAllen | tictac, tks |
| 21:38.36 | nvz | rockstar_: you will more often find that people that incredibly stupid can be dealt with just by confronting them |
| 21:38.38 | tictac | BarryAllen: np. |
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| 21:39.56 | rockstar_ | nvz, I want to make a t-shirt that says something like "You're the reason the internet sucks" just because of those passive aggressive people in irc channels. |
| 21:41.05 | nvz | rockstar_: yeah well that would be great maybe you could make enough money selling those to pay your internet bill.. but the simple fact of the matter is you can't do anything that either encourages them or adds to their destruction like continually drawing attention to them. |
| 21:41.27 | nvz | rockstar_: confronting them rationally usually disrupts their simple minds and they self-destruct |
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| 21:41.40 | azeem | rockstar_: if you want to notify the channel operators of inappropriate behaviour, use the "!ops <reason>" factoid |
| 21:42.04 | ktwilight | physical violence in the streets. mental violence on the internet. |
| 21:42.05 | ktwilight | fun :) |
| 21:42.28 | rockstar_ | nvz, Yeah, I know-- |
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| 21:43.44 | nvz | ah, how nice, a light show.. all that just to tell me my server is misconfigured :P |
| 21:44.21 | nvz | I really think the 3 tries on gdm starting is excessive. if it doesnt start the first time, chances are there is something wrong |
| 21:44.38 | nvz | its not like it tries something different each time |
| 21:44.45 | MatBoy | does someone know the line for nvidia drivers with splashy ? |
| 21:45.43 | disorder | MatBoy: iirc splash screen is on by default |
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| 21:46.29 | MatBoy | disorder, how do you mean ? I need to add the line in the grub.conf. On the splashy site there is only a Raedon example |
| 21:47.34 | disorder | MatBoy: oh, i thought you mean something else :) |
| 21:47.42 | MatBoy | disorder, can happen :) |
| 21:47.51 | nvz | hmm what could I be missing for mouse support (etch 2.4.27) I have the HCD driver, Hid driver, and Input driver all loaded now, and /dev/input/mice still doesnt open |
| 21:49.26 | rockstar_ | How come everytime I install the grub-splashimages, something gets screwed up? |
| 21:49.41 | nvz | _ds: the device node wont open fool.. as in I cant open it for reading because it says no such device |
| 21:49.55 | nvz | I said nothing about the device node opening anything |
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| 21:50.17 | StormBlade | how can i install ati drivers |
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| 21:51.01 | nvz | bah its apperently something wrong with my virtual machine lsusb isnt listing any devices attached |
| 21:51.12 | StormBlade | how can i install ati drivers |
| 21:51.21 | _ds | StormBlade, "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati", assuming testing or unstable. |
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| 21:51.29 | _ds | :-) |
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| 21:53.02 | StormBlade | no the graphcs driver i need |
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| 21:53.21 | StormBlade | _ds, any other config needed? in xorg.conf? |
| 21:53.31 | nvz | taint sounds like such a dirty word |
| 21:53.56 | StormBlade | or automatically changed by this package? |
| 21:54.02 | heh_v_water | I am messing with debian installs on USB drives and I seem to remember seeing some sort of xserver that had a small footprint and worked with a wide range of hardware.. could anyone point me in the right direction possibly? |
| 21:54.07 | nvz | ah I think I solved my problem the host side driver for the vm's USB wasnt properly loaded into the kernel |
| 21:54.36 | Timtow | is there a command line for seeing how much your processor is doing? % wise? |
| 21:54.49 | heh_v_water | Timtow, top |
| 21:54.54 | _ds | No; "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should do. Select "ati" (or is it "radeon", I forget). |
| 21:55.01 | _ds | (This will select the open-source driver.) |
| 21:55.33 | _ds | nvz: that's why I use it to describe certain drivers :-) |
| 21:56.15 | Timtow | anything less obtrusive? top is taking a whole 1% |
| 21:56.20 | Timtow | :P |
| 21:58.22 | Bushmills | Timtow: cat /proc/loadavg |
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| 21:59.25 | Timtow | neat Bushmills |
| 21:59.32 | Timtow | sadly, though, it's not live |
| 21:59.47 | Bushmills | watch -n 1 cat /proc/loadavg |
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| 21:59.58 | Bushmills | use your phantasy |
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| 22:00.56 | phaedrus44 | hey wussup |
| 22:01.07 | Bushmills | clouds |
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| 22:02.02 | nick01 | when will there be a transition to gcc 4.1 in etch ? |
| 22:02.14 | Maquiavelo | Hey guys, question: I downloaded an ISO that's 650mb from Debian.org, it's the snapshot of the testing/etch version, now, when I'm installing, everything is fine, but it asks me to download 659 packages!, and then it connects and starts downloading. Is there any way to have it install from CD? |
| 22:03.33 | polishkoop | when I try to install debian etch on my system, I get an error that says no common cd-rom found so I end up having to quit the installation. What should I do? |
| 22:03.54 | BarryAllen | Maquiavelo, trust me, u ll prefer install via netinstall :) |
| 22:04.46 | BarryAllen | polishkoop, u can use a cd-drivers disc |
| 22:05.06 | polishkoop | barry: where do i get one? |
| 22:05.09 | Maquiavelo | BarryAllen I can't i'm going to use it on a PC without internet |
| 22:05.14 | Maquiavelo | so I need it to install from CD, not the internet |
| 22:05.59 | BarryAllen | Maquiavelo, all packages uses 4 dvds i think |
| 22:06.36 | Maquiavelo | Not all packages, I want to install a base system with gnome |
| 22:06.37 | Maquiavelo | Just that. |
| 22:06.58 | dabreegster | BarryAllen: Can you hook the box up to a broadband connection for installation? That's what I did. Now I just upgrade once in a while. Dialup is restrictive. |
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| 22:08.01 | Jamster | Maquiavelo: and later you'll notice 'hey, I'd like to have that package..' and then you won't have it anywhere. Grab the DVDs..if it're going to use a box without 'net connection, it's worth it. |
| 22:08.16 | Maquiavelo | I can't, there is no internet in there |
| 22:08.18 | Jamster | er, you're :P |
| 22:08.26 | Maquiavelo | Seriously, there is no internet and there won't be internet anytime soon |
| 22:08.33 | Maquiavelo | It's in the middle of nowhere |
| 22:08.38 | Jamster | Maquiavelo: which is why I'm telling you to download and burn the DVDs :P |
| 22:08.44 | Jamster | Read. |
| 22:08.58 | Maquiavelo | No DVD player, just CD, and they don't need nothing but base system |
| 22:09.00 | BarryAllen | Maquiavelo, sorry, but, u have to get and burn de cd/dvds to offline installation |
| 22:09.02 | Maquiavelo | and openoffice which I have |
| 22:09.11 | Maquiavelo | sigh, I did, a 680mb testing iso |
| 22:09.12 | Jamster | Maquiavelo: then download and burn the CDs instead |
| 22:09.13 | BarryAllen | Maquiavelo, use windows . |
| 22:09.16 | BarryAllen | :/ |
| 22:09.20 | Jamster | Maquiavelo: there are 14 CDs. Go get 'em. |
| 22:09.46 | Maquiavelo | Not being very helpful, I think. I don't need SQL or web servers, or anything like that, just GNOME and OpenOffice which I already have on a CD |
| 22:09.57 | Maquiavelo | No, I think I'm in the wrong channel. |
| 22:10.03 | Maquiavelo | Or in the twilight zone. |
| 22:10.05 | MArX[out] | Maquiavelo, listen... u dont have, gnome in that cd |
| 22:10.06 | MArX[out] | :) |
| 22:10.30 | Maquiavelo | Stable 680mb has both Gnome and KDE, so, why not the testing 680mb cd? |
| 22:10.50 | MArX[out] | la la la |
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| 22:11.23 | Jamster | Maquiavelo: Because they changed the layout on the CD. |
| 22:11.36 | Jamster | Different packages, different priorities.. |
| 22:12.10 | heh_v_water | Maquiavelo, you can always support the debian project by ordering the cd's... |
| 22:12.11 | alan` | yeah |
| 22:12.24 | MArX[out] | nice idea :) |
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| 22:12.29 | heh_v_water | :) |
| 22:12.36 | Maquiavelo | You know what? forget about it, I'll make my own cd, answers in this channel today are, weird. |
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| 22:13.45 | MArX[out] | i bet 0,01... he ll back |
| 22:13.49 | MArX[out] | in... 3 hours. |
| 22:14.08 | heh_v_water | i cannot find that snippet that talked about a small footprint x server for tiny installs with desktop.. anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:14.28 | Jamster | MArX[out]: I wonder how the answers were 'weird'. Unless stuff he doesn't want to hear counts as 'weird'. |
| 22:14.39 | Jamster | MArX[out]: I mean, really..what were we supposed to say? :P |
| 22:14.48 | alan` | get the net intsall |
| 22:14.49 | alan` | install* |
| 22:15.01 | heh_v_water | that you'll go out and remaster etch packages to fit his needs.. what else sheesh :P |
| 22:15.16 | Jamster | heh_v_water: Duh. Silly me ;P |
| 22:15.22 | heh_v_water | hehe |
| 22:15.43 | heh_v_water | I do understand the frustration of things changing regularly but there are reasons I am sure |
| 22:15.53 | MArX[out] | Jamster, maybe he wants anything like: not... its just a joke, we have a special iso here, for you :) |
| 22:16.15 | wols | heh_v_water: look what Damn Small Linux uses |
| 22:16.25 | nick01 | he just wanted to do an install just with cds not needing net connection |
| 22:17.09 | Jamster | nick01: yes, and I told him to get the DVDs, telling him that he'll regret it if he wants packages later and doesn't have them. He said he doesn't have a DVD drive. I told him to get the CDs. Obviously such answers are 'weird' |
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| 22:17.38 | nick01 | hew didn't have a dvd layer and I don't think he wanted to download all 14 cds |
| 22:18.14 | nick01 | player |
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| 22:18.35 | wols | the proper way would be to get a install CD, then apt-get all he needs/wants and then burn the /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory to a 2nd CD |
| 22:18.58 | Nei | could someone kindly tell me what packages I need to search for when I want to install all the info manuals, like ls info etc? |
| 22:19.26 | Jamster | That's the problem: If the needs/wants change :> It's not theat he's installing this in a PC without any 'net connection, but a whole home withouth one. I'd think of it as handier to get them all for that case. |
| 22:19.51 | Jamster | perhaps more effort at the beginning, but less stress later. |
| 22:21.04 | nick01 | what happened with that idea for a debian control center ? |
| 22:21.08 | epsilon | is there any monitoring software, to check regulary, if the ftp-server is running and able to login? |
| 22:21.32 | epsilon | so not only telnet on ftp-port once and cut, also login with user/pass |
| 22:21.33 | nick01 | epsilon, something like a password cracker ? :) |
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| 22:23.27 | epsilon | no and I know that, I'm the ftp admin |
| 22:23.50 | _ds | Oh. I forgot the smiley... here it is: ;-) |
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| 22:26.15 | acad | how would i disable iptables? |
| 22:26.29 | MArX[out] | iptables -t nat -F ; iptables -F |
| 22:26.32 | Sir-vince | iptables -F |
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| 22:26.36 | Sir-vince | hehe :) |
| 22:27.01 | _ds | You forgot the 'mangle' table :-) |
| 22:27.43 | MArX[out] | _ds, really, but i think he, isnt using mangle :) |
| 22:27.45 | Sir-vince | I have 2 servers, (server 1 and server 2) Server 1 needs to check if server 2 is online before it makes a vpn tunnel, first how do i check if server 2 is online without using ping, and how do i change the ip when i check if server 2 is online, so the ip would be somthing lige 0.0.0.0 and mac 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 22:28.05 | _ds | MArX[out], probably not, but just for completeness... |
| 22:29.03 | coventry | Which .deb files would I need to snarf from a working X setup, in order to clone it? I'm attempting to install debian on a Dell Precision 690. The only installer which would work was the Etch nightly build installer (none of the others would work, because the 690 has a funky harddrive setup.) However, even after upgrading to sid, it can't start X. On the other hand, the Ubuntu desktop CD knows how to start X on this machine, even though it can't |
| 22:29.25 | coventry | to copy the relevant deb files over from Ubuntu in order to have X work. |
| 22:29.51 | MArX[out] | Sir-vince, u can force the mac with ifconfig |
| 22:30.52 | MArX[out] | Sir-vince, ifconfig ethX ip hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 22:31.08 | Sir-vince | but what can i do about the ip |
| 22:32.42 | _ds | (not that it should matter) |
| 22:32.46 | _ds | (much) |
| 22:32.47 | Sir-vince | _ds the two servers are placed about 150 miles away from each other |
| 22:32.47 | MArX[out] | Sir-vince, i dont know if the implementation of ip permit u use 0.0.0.0 as ip addres :) |
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| 22:33.25 | Sir-vince | it would also be best if it was not nessesary to change anything in ifconfig, would be best if i could do something that could just change the source address of some traffic |
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| 22:38.03 | mcrea | hi |
| 22:38.18 | mcrea | how can i configure my audio card? |
| 22:38.26 | mcrea | alsa? |
| 22:38.46 | Nei | are you sure that it isnt already working? |
| 22:39.09 | mcrea | i cant listen anything |
| 22:39.19 | Nei | try unmuting your mixers |
| 22:39.30 | mcrea | why? |
| 22:39.51 | Nei | if you mute your sound, you cannot hear anything |
| 22:40.03 | mcrea | no |
| 22:40.06 | simon23 | hi - what do i need to teach linux wpk ? (wlan) |
| 22:40.18 | simon23 | got wep running. |
| 22:40.22 | mcrea | its not mute |
| 22:40.29 | dabreegster | Because usually playing music at volume 0 doesn't work out well. |
| 22:40.35 | Nei | how do you know? |
| 22:40.36 | mcrea | :) |
| 22:40.44 | stoned | mcrea, what debian release are you using |
| 22:41.02 | mcrea | 3.1 |
| 22:41.17 | stoned | mcrea, which kernel version? |
| 22:41.25 | stoned | 2.4 or 2.6 series |
| 22:41.29 | mcrea | 2.6 |
| 22:41.35 | stoned | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:41.35 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 22:46.40 | simon23 | got wep running. |
| 22:46.42 | simon23 | hi - what do i need to teach linux wpk ? (wlan) |
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| 22:52.39 | simon23 | meant wpa |
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| 22:53.48 | nile | simon23, the only way I know of to get a linux computer connected with WPA is wpa_supplicant |
| 22:53.58 | nile | simon23, I *think* it's the only way |
| 22:54.05 | wols | ahostapd or wpa_supplicant |
| 22:54.14 | simon23 | thanks will try that out... |
| 22:54.20 | nile | I stand corrected :) |
| 22:54.35 | nile | the package is called "wpasupplicant" |
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| 22:56.03 | simon23 | k. thanks. will install that... see you tomorrow :-) |
| 22:58.14 | squiggly | DCC SEND GNAAoverlords 0 0 0 |
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| 23:01.50 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 23:01.52 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 23:03.53 | simmerz | how do i update /etc/aliases? |
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| 23:04.16 | simmerz | or more accurately, how do i update the db that it creates? |
| 23:04.20 | nvz | bah, I had to connect with chatzilla again, because irssi is giving me "-!- ERROR Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out)" immediatly after telling me there was no identd response |
| 23:05.14 | nvz | I am not sure what that means cause server_connect_timout=5min and there certainly isnt 5min elapsing.. |
| 23:05.15 | Nei | what are you connecting to? |
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| 23:05.32 | wols | simmerz: postfix? postmap |
| 23:05.43 | nvz | irc.freenode.net [216.165.191.52] |
| 23:05.51 | nvz | port 6667 |
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| 23:05.55 | wols | nvz: freenode doesn't care about identd |
| 23:06.13 | nvz | no crap, and thats a good thing cause I have no way to provide it |
| 23:06.26 | yggwork | hello, can somone tell me how i can change my mouse to jsut a tiny dot ? instead of the pointer ? |
| 23:06.34 | nvz | I am behind two nat's so it doesnt matter that I have nullidentd installed |
| 23:06.46 | Nei | nvz, if you want to connect to freenode and are getting a closing link: 127.0.0.1, something seems to be wrong |
| 23:06.56 | Nei | becasue 127.0.0.1 is not the right ip |
| 23:07.11 | nvz | no shit, thats my loopback device, genius |
| 23:07.23 | nvz | I dont know whats going on either |
| 23:08.03 | wireddd | maybe you should just be connecting to 127.0.0.1 ;) |
| 23:10.38 | Nei | try connecting to oftc instead |
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| 23:11.10 | nvz | "19:04 -!- Irssi: Looking up irc.freenode.net \n 19:04 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.freenode.net [216.165.191.52] port 6667 \n 19:04 -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.freenode.net established \n 19:04 !irc.freenode.net *** Looking up your hostname ... \n 19:04 !irc.freenode.net *** Found your hostname, welcome back \n 19:04 !irc.freenode.net *** Checking ident \n 19:05 !irc.freenode.net *** No... |
| 23:11.11 | nvz | ...identd (auth) response \n 19:05 -!- ERROR Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out) \n 19:05 -!- Irssi: Connection lost to irc.freenode.net" |
| 23:11.54 | Nei | or maybe its a bug in freenode |
| 23:11.57 | nvz | I dont know what oftc is, and being that its 127.0.0.1 closing the connection apperently then its not the server, its something on my end |
| 23:12.15 | Nei | oftc is an alternative to freenode |
| 23:12.22 | Nei | the official debian channel is there |
| 23:12.32 | nvz | it seems to be timing out on my end but server_connect_timeout=5min and there is only 1min elapsing |
| 23:12.42 | nvz | I know that much, I dont know the address |
| 23:12.51 | nvz | and like I said it doesnt really matter |
| 23:12.54 | Nei | /server irc.debian.org should work |
| 23:12.59 | simmerz | wols: i worked it out - newaliases |
| 23:13.07 | Nei | but server_connect_timeout doesnt matter |
| 23:13.16 | Nei | it is freenode server that kicks you out |
| 23:13.54 | Nei | so if you can connect to other places |
| 23:14.04 | Nei | i'd say its just a bug in frenode |
| 23:14.06 | nvz | well I am connected to irc.debian.org we'll see if Iget the motd.. |
| 23:14.09 | nvz | which I did |
| 23:14.35 | Nei | you could try to ask in some support channel related to this network if you were eager to resolve it |
| 23:14.42 | Nei | maybe they dontlike irssi or whatever |
| 23:14.53 | nvz | bah my nick isnt registered on that server :p |
| 23:15.06 | nvz | and dont be fucking rediculous.. irssi is the most popular client on this server |
| 23:15.10 | wireddd | better take care of that |
| 23:15.17 | nvz | not to mention I was just connected to here earlier with it |
| 23:15.23 | nvz | on that same virtual machine |
| 23:15.31 | wols | Nei: irssi has one of its main support channels on this network |
| 23:15.46 | Nei | wols, irssi's official channels are not on ths network |
| 23:16.19 | wols | tell that Geert and the other devs |
| 23:16.49 | Nei | naturally a network which attracts big open source projects like gentoo would also cause a channel to come into existence for a popular irc client |
| 23:16.57 | Nei | just like there is a debian channel here as well ;) |
| 23:17.28 | nvz | so apperently this particular channel isnt the same as the one on oftc |
| 23:17.32 | Nei | but that doesn't change the fact that their official channel's not here |
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| 23:17.46 | Nei | nvz, yes these places are not interconnected |
| 23:18.10 | nvz | I noticed when I registed and linked my nicks on there and it didnt complain that I am already using it |
| 23:18.37 | nvz | and when I didnt see what I just typed in the other window :P |
| 23:18.57 | Nei | wols, you can find out more about their official channels on their website |
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| 23:20.01 | nvz | maybe the debian gods thought we were evil, is why they took their channel elsewhere :P |
| 23:20.04 | wols | Nei: all I know is way back when I started with irssi, the official channels were here and I think of efnet (!), with cras being in both |
| 23:20.06 | Nei | nvz, whenever people use the term 'network', it usually means that that place is not connected to the same named place of another network |
| 23:20.19 | Nei | wols, cras has long left irssi though |
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| 23:20.33 | wols | I know |
| 23:20.47 | wols | but I still go to #irssi here when there is a problem and I know the devs are here |
| 23:20.51 | Nei | so what you are saying might have been true once |
| 23:20.53 | MatBoy | My dist--upgrade broke my smbfs :( |
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| 23:21.10 | wols | MatBoy: a bit more specifics would be nice |
| 23:21.46 | MatBoy | wols, I upgraded Etch with a distupgrade because Amarok was crashing all the time |
| 23:22.01 | MatBoy | after it... I get -5 errors on smbfs_add checks |
| 23:22.04 | Nei | wols, well I guess most devs are here anyway so it would be natural for them to provide support in as many places as possible, even not the official;) |
| 23:22.26 | wols | MatBoy: did you change kernels? |
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| 23:22.58 | Nei | does someone know which package has the info manuals for things like ls etc? |
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| 23:25.27 | nvz | well I think my vm will allow me to grow my virtual hard drive.. but can I grow my partition and ext3 fs under debian ? |
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| 23:25.52 | wols | yes |
| 23:25.52 | MatBoy | wols, nope, but on the server... yes |
| 23:26.12 | mortalman | How stable is unstable? heh |
| 23:26.20 | nvz | I guess maybe it will not let me grow the size of it :P |
| 23:26.20 | MatBoy | wols, I run CentOS on the server... that has upgraded the kernel today... but a normal SMB-mount works ok |
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| 23:26.53 | wols | server is not smbfs. that's only client. so it's only a problem if centos has upgraded samba |
| 23:26.59 | wols | !sid faq |
| 23:26.59 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:27.36 | MatBoy | wols, samba was not upgraded.. but it works for the rest very OK... |
| 23:27.38 | wols | mortalman: it can and WILL break |
| 23:27.44 | MatBoy | I can SMB mount normally to it |
| 23:28.18 | mortalman | wols: I was looking for something slightly more bleeding edge, but working. heh |
| 23:28.26 | nvz | I guess I will have to start over :P cause I only made it 4gb and I only got like 700mb or so left |
| 23:29.02 | wols | nvz: why? can't find a resizing tool? |
| 23:29.22 | nvz | wols: the vm doesnt seem to have a way to change the size of the virtual disk |
| 23:29.29 | mortalman | !etch |
| 23:29.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 23:30.01 | mortalman | !etch faq |
| 23:30.41 | nvz | I was trying to build a vm image of etch that will fit on a dvd so I can give it to idiots who are to scared to actually try installing it on thier system. but I dont want to cut it that close that it cant have much else installed |
| 23:31.32 | wols | nvz: how does an idiot get a DVD onto its harddisk and then a bootable linux install? |
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| 23:32.01 | rockstar_ | What is the benefit of using an initrd when creating a kernel? |
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| 23:33.06 | MArX[out] | rockstar_, load modules (not built in in the kernel) necessary on startup.... |
| 23:33.09 | nvz | wols: the dvd contains a vmware image of a preinstalled etch system vmware player is supposedly free to home users now.. so I figure if I give the player with the image they have a virtual machine that runs on top of the host os |
| 23:33.10 | MArX[out] | is one |
| 23:33.24 | rockstar_ | MArX[out], that's it? |
| 23:34.20 | wols | rockstar_: it's pretty much useless unless you have a full blown distro kernel or need to do some forms of RAID |
| 23:34.32 | wols | which means it's 95% useless for self compiled kernels |
| 23:35.23 | rockstar_ | wols, that's what I figured. |
| 23:35.24 | heh_v_water | nvz, does the player with OS run well on a DVD? |
| 23:35.31 | MArX[out] | raid... or not build the filesystem used to mount / into builtin kernel.... |
| 23:35.36 | MArX[out] | bootsplash... etc |
| 23:35.36 | nvz | wols: my uncle is my first target.. he is pretty much retired now but he's an old tech head.. used to work on arcade games, jukeboxes.. enjoys ham radio, flying rc planes..etc he needs linux he just doesnt know it yet.. and his friend has a broken windows pc and he keeps trying to get me to help him pirate a copy of windows for his friend, who also needs debian more than he knows |
| 23:35.56 | heh_v_water | hehe |
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| 23:36.14 | wols | the ham stuff alone should have sold him on linux a long time ago |
| 23:36.26 | nvz | heh_v_water: the dvd is just a vehicle for installation I dont intend to even try it that way.. the whole point of using a vm instead of a bootable cd OS is to be able to make changes .. use it like it were really installed without effecting the host |
| 23:36.28 | mortalman | Are there netinst images for etch available ? |
| 23:36.49 | rockstar_ | mortalman, Yup. Check out debian.org |
| 23:37.15 | mortalman | rockstar_: lol, been there, looking. |
| 23:37.44 | heh_v_water | nvz, there is a way to do that.. I am experimenting with it now. I been booting bootcd images in vmware from a iso mounted as cdrom |
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| 23:38.03 | MatBoy | is it possible to encrypt the passwords for smbfs in the fstab ? |
| 23:38.06 | polishkoop | I'm trying to install debian etch on my computer, but in the beginning of the installation I get a message complaining about no common cd roms found and then my installation ends. What can I do? |
| 23:38.14 | heh_v_water | in essence it makes knoppix run on the windows desktop |
| 23:38.18 | nvz | heh_v_water: yeah but the cdrom is read-only the vmware virtual hard drive is not |
| 23:38.29 | heh_v_water | nvz, definately |
| 23:38.39 | nvz | heh_v_water: there is no need for expensive vmware workstation if you are just going to use a bootable cdrom version |
| 23:38.44 | sgeigerbot | nvz: what kind of context do you need to answer my question? I think I provided everything... |
| 23:39.26 | nvz | heh_v_water: besides I am not encouraging use of knoppix, mepis, ubuntu..etc because I have no intention of supporting them.. I will support debian.. I do it all the time I know how it works |
| 23:39.38 | pab | MatBoy: credentials file? |
| 23:39.44 | heh_v_water | nvz, that's just one angle I am working on with it. The other is a debian bootcd image on usb stick under 500MB built in vmware |
| 23:39.58 | MatBoy | pab, with special rights on it you mean ? |
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| 23:40.09 | heh_v_water | I plan on making it have madwifi and be able to be an ap, also use gpsdrive with kismet and plot hotspots |
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| 23:40.32 | pab | MatBoy: credentials point to a hidden file in your home dir |
| 23:40.51 | MatBoy | pab, hidden is not secure enough I think |
| 23:41.08 | heh_v_water | naturally that defies the debian idea but it's for my personal use only so screw it |
| 23:41.09 | pab | Matboy: just a thought |
| 23:41.16 | wols | it's not hidden. it's owned by root and only owner readable |
| 23:41.17 | MatBoy | pab, always welcome !! |
| 23:41.57 | MatBoy | wols, but that does not solve the problem when you hack the root-account that you don;t know the user-pass :( |
| 23:42.01 | mortalman | Anyone have any idea why packages.debian.org shows the KDE version as 5:47 when the latest release of kde is 3.5.3 ?? |
| 23:42.25 | wols | who cares if someone hacked your root account, you have bigger problems |
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| 23:42.55 | MatBoy | wols, unplug the device is easier than telling every user to change his pincode of his bankpass :P |
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| 23:43.21 | heh_v_water | nvz, today my gig is trying to install directly to the usb stick using vmware... but i need to find the smallest footprint for some sort of xserver for dpsdrive |
| 23:44.01 | wols | if you have security conscious data, samba is not exactly the proper way to do anything... |
| 23:44.07 | mortalman | lol |
| 23:44.21 | wols | so whatever you do, it can't be needing good security, so the separate file is good enough |
| 23:44.25 | MatBoy | wols, no indeed... disconnect the internet too than :D |
| 23:44.46 | polishkoop | Does anyone know why etch woudln't be detecting my cdrom? |
| 23:45.02 | wols | polishkoop: have you treid installing sarge? |
| 23:45.06 | polishkoop | sarge works |
| 23:45.07 | MatBoy | polishkoop, while trying to install |
| 23:45.08 | MatBoy | ? |
| 23:45.10 | polishkoop | correct |
| 23:45.16 | wols | polishkoop: then what is your problem? |
| 23:45.26 | polishkoop | Cuz I want etch |
| 23:45.36 | MatBoy | polishkoop, I had the same with sarge... I had to install Etch ... chipset or something |
| 23:45.37 | wols | then install sarge and upgrade to etch? |
| 23:45.40 | polishkoop | when I upgrade from sarge to etch, the cd drives suddenly stop working |
| 23:45.57 | wols | that cannot be since a kernel upgrade is not part of dist-upgrade |
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| 23:46.05 | polishkoop | wols: well i'm not lyin |
| 23:46.12 | wols | I'm neither |
| 23:46.34 | polishkoop | wols: then something else must be wrong, Ubuntu and sarge have worked, but etch still doesn't |
| 23:46.42 | wols | the only drivers for CDROMs are in the kernel. nowhere else (well modules perhaps) |
| 23:46.44 | polishkoop | matboy: how do I install an etch chipset? |
| 23:47.00 | nvz | heh_v_water: yeah well I am just gonna start over using a 10gb max virtual drive.. since I can set it to only grow as I add to it.. so I can install a full desktop system of etch and it will still fit on the dvd, but it will be able to grow to 10gb after its copied onto the hd and ran.. that is if vmware player works like I think it does and doesnt cripple the virtual machine somehow.. I am... |
| 23:47.01 | nvz | ...suspicious about them giving this thing away free of charge..I havent tested it yet |
| 23:47.13 | MatBoy | polishkoop, you can't I think |
| 23:47.13 | polishkoop | wols: i also tried 3 of my cdroms in my house, none of em worked |
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| 23:47.31 | wols | yes he can't since there is no such thing as a "etch chipset" |
| 23:47.33 | mortalman | Ok, refraising. What version of KDE comes in etch ? |
| 23:47.40 | wols | polishkoop: what chipset on your mobo? |
| 23:47.53 | wols | mortalman: ask packages.debian.org |
| 23:48.01 | polishkoop | wols: lemme find out. 915 i think, lemme make sure though |
| 23:48.18 | mortalman | wols: I did. It shows 5:47, which looks impossible. |
| 23:48.35 | polishkoop | wols: i865PE |
| 23:48.53 | heh_v_water | nvz, everyone I have heard using it said it is just like running in workstation |
| 23:48.56 | wols | that's supported everywhere if your CD is connected to its IDE controller |
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| 23:49.12 | DebbyIan | Click here |
| 23:49.13 | DebbyIan | NewScientist SPACE |
| 23:49.13 | DebbyIan | NewScientist.com |
| 23:49.13 | DebbyIan | New Scientist Tech |
| 23:49.13 | DebbyIan | Subscribe to New Scientist magazine |
| 23:49.13 | DebbyIan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:49.23 | nvz | heh_v_water: well I cant test it without removing workstation.. they wont co-exist on the same system |
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| 23:49.28 | polishkoop | wols: Yup, it is. |
| 23:49.30 | clarissa | good evening ^^ |
| 23:49.55 | MatBoy | what is the best to connect from a linux machine to another linux machine like Windows Shares ? SSHFS ? |
| 23:49.56 | mortalman | wols: ideas? |
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| 23:50.04 | wols | mortalman: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdelibs&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 23:50.15 | DebbyIan | lol sorry about that guys |
| 23:50.26 | DebbyIan | Has anyone here got Xgl working on ATI? |
| 23:50.33 | wols | !anyone |
| 23:50.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:50.37 | Nei | MatBoy, in a private network, nfs |
| 23:50.44 | polishkoop | wols: should I bother checking in my comp if sarge and ubuntu work? About the IDE controller thing? |
| 23:50.56 | nvz | heh_v_water: after I get a new install setup in a larger virtual drive I will uninstall workstation and try it out I guess.. but right now I gotta setup debian all over again. |
| 23:51.00 | mortalman | wols: thanks, that is somewhat more readable. |
| 23:51.00 | wols | polishkoop: you just said they'd work |
| 23:51.03 | MatBoy | Nei, OK, bothing else ? |
| 23:51.06 | MatBoy | nothing |
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| 23:51.20 | clarissa | is on backports.org a newer amsn version? cause everytime when i start amsn it says me a newer version exists at sourceforge.net |
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| 23:51.27 | MatBoy | DebbyIan, have you had it working ? |
| 23:51.33 | polishkoop | wols: come again? sarge and ubuntu work, but etch doesn't for me |
| 23:51.33 | DebbyIan | No |
| 23:51.33 | DebbyIan | http://pastebin.ca/82789 |
| 23:51.39 | DebbyIan | I am getting that error when i try to launch it |
| 23:51.43 | heh_v_water | nvz, one thing that works great is to build a base-install and then clone all your builds from it |
| 23:51.46 | DebbyIan | my regular X works just fine though |
| 23:51.48 | Nei | MatBoy, what is your goal? if you just want to copy files between remote systems over the internet, ssh/scp is common |
| 23:51.53 | DebbyIan | I cant figure out whats wrong with it |
| 23:52.00 | heh_v_water | i have like expert26 installs to testing and sarge both etc etc |
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| 23:52.27 | stranger_stone | good night |
| 23:52.47 | MatBoy | Nei, it's a local server with also some important things on it. I need to connecto to my MP3zzzz :D |
| 23:52.50 | nvz | heh_v_water: I didnt plan on doing more than one build.. but after I installed etch with a full desktop containing KDE, GNOME, and XFCE4 it took up nearly all my 4gb drive and I want to leave room for them to still install things if they want |
| 23:52.54 | Nei | sshfs is IMO kind of a hack |
| 23:53.12 | MatBoy | Nei, but it is slow and bad ? |
| 23:53.44 | Nei | I won't stop you from using it... |
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| 23:53.54 | heh_v_water | nvz, yah there's always a different way to do it hehe |
| 23:53.58 | MatBoy | Nei, but I want your advise :) |
| 23:54.05 | Nei | if you need it secure, nfs4 with krb authentication maybe? |
| 23:54.14 | DebbyIan | hmm ubuntu-xgl is pretty dead |
| 23:54.18 | MatBoy | Nei, mhh |
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| 23:54.39 | Nei | (obviously lacking security model is the base flaw in nfs) |
| 23:54.43 | nvz | heh_v_water: I wanted to include all three complete desktop environments right off the bat to get the feel of choice and versitility |
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| 23:54.59 | MatBoy | Nei, indeed |
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| 23:55.07 | shining | why does debian boot looks so ugly? there are no projects for somewhat cleaning this init mess? :) Some less popular distribs (which have other problems) boot much faster too. |
| 23:55.17 | rockstar_ | Hm, I seemed to have compiled something into my kernel that gave me a little picture of Tux on the boot. Anyone know what that was? |
| 23:55.28 | Nei | shining, I dont know but my debian boots in 3 secs |
| 23:55.30 | rebekka | I have a question.... can I run KDE with only 256ram and a p3 866??? |
| 23:55.30 | nvz | heh_v_water: I am using etch to get xorg and some other newer packages and hopefully breed some new testers |
| 23:55.33 | rebekka | I have a question.... can I run KDE with only 256ram and a p3 866??? |
| 23:55.36 | MatBoy | shining, splashy and Lilo :D |
| 23:55.41 | shining | 3 sec? .. |
| 23:55.41 | resiak | probably!!! |
| 23:55.42 | resiak | probably!!! |
| 23:55.51 | MatBoy | resiak, do you know for sure ? |
| 23:55.55 | resiak | why not try it??? |
| 23:55.55 | streuner | shining: there is animated lilo ;-) |
| 23:55.55 | resiak | why not try it??? |
| 23:56.04 | Hoxzer | Would you be offended If I TOLD you I like the way you lick your lips |
| 23:56.06 | clarissa | streuner, o.o" |
| 23:56.11 | mattl | which package containes 'autoreconf' - I can only seem to find references to an obselete version of autoconf? |
| 23:56.12 | shining | hell no, I'm not talking about weird splash stuff |
| 23:56.19 | rebekka | but what would be better for me KDE or Gnome??? Gnome uses les ram, right??? |
| 23:56.24 | Nei | rebekka, why not use something more lightweight? |
| 23:56.24 | shining | but it could still be nicer than it's now :) |
| 23:56.25 | streuner | what are you talking then? :-) |
| 23:56.30 | DebbyIan | Does anyone know what this means: X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error |
| 23:56.38 | DebbyIan | thats the error Xgl is spitting out into the logs |
| 23:56.44 | resiak | rockstar_: I think you asked for a framebuffer console. I think that shows one Tux per processor |
| 23:56.45 | streuner | shining: that's up to you! You could do everything |
| 23:56.48 | Nei | (kde will work of course, but you can get more performance out of your system with other wms) |
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| 23:57.19 | rebekka | I am sorry.. I miss the answer... |
| 23:57.20 | shining | well, did you ever looked at other distribs booting in text mode? Hmm yes in theory (only) I could do everything |
| 23:57.21 | streuner | clarissa: yes, but please ask first if you /msg someone. |
| 23:57.24 | Nei | 'desktop environment' |
| 23:57.32 | rebekka | should I use KDE or Gnome??? |
| 23:57.33 | nvz | kde is not a wm (which stands for Window Manager) its a Desktop Environment encompassing kwin (a window manager) among many other hundreds of packages |
| 23:57.40 | rebekka | with 256ram and p3 866 |
| 23:57.51 | resiak | rebekka: You could use either, or neither |
| 23:57.52 | amphi | rebekka: neither |
| 23:57.58 | rockstar_ | resiak, so it's framebuffer console that enables that? |
| 23:57.59 | Nei | especially consider whether your really need a fullfledged desktop enviroment |
| 23:58.04 | nvz | rebekka: its all a matter of taste we cant make your decisions for you |
| 23:58.08 | resiak | rockstar_: I think so |
| 23:58.12 | rebekka | which one would you guys advice me?? |
| 23:58.18 | resiak | !start a wm war |
| 23:58.19 | dpkg | enlightenment bites! |
| 23:58.25 | Nei | rebekka, use whichever you like better |
| 23:58.37 | rebekka | I am... because of the speed |
| 23:58.43 | rebekka | I mean |
| 23:58.48 | Nei | dpkg is right about e though, leader in linux desktop managers |
| 23:58.49 | MatBoy | !tell dpkg that enlightment sucks |
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| 23:58.53 | nvz | I agree enlightenment does suck |
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| 23:59.03 | nix_chix0r | werd |
| 23:59.06 | rockstar_ | I love enlightenment, wouldn't have it any other way. |
| 23:59.06 | Nei | how does enlightenment suck |
| 23:59.14 | streuner | clarissa: well, no - there is another thing i want tell you, don't use those ugly scripts here too :-) |
| 23:59.17 | Nei | I'd definitely consider it if you're looking for speed |
| 23:59.18 | MatBoy | Nei, not very tastefull |
| 23:59.23 | MatBoy | Nei, it bites |
| 23:59.27 | clarissa | what script? ^^" |
| 23:59.34 | nix_chix0r | hello every bodeh |
| 23:59.47 | Nei | rebekka, if you want top performance, neither gnome nor kde are the answer likely |
| 23:59.55 | shining | wmii :) |
| 23:59.57 | nvz | rebekka: speed has so little to do with desktop environments its not even worth talking about..if you want speed, then you dont want 500+ packages making up a desktop environment and all the processes it will spawn when you login, and the answer is neither |
