| 00:00.06 | nix_chix0r | i like xfce4 |
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| 00:00.11 | clarissa | streuner, what scripts :) |
| 00:00.26 | Nei | wmii is a bit hardcore maybe |
| 00:00.30 | nile | enlightenment feels too whiz-bang-graphical to me |
| 00:00.34 | shining | maybe :p |
| 00:01.01 | Nei | rasterman has a nice comparison of wm speeds |
| 00:01.02 | rebekka | Ok.. I only know the two of them... can you guys help me saying which other I could use?? |
| 00:01.12 | nile | it's great if everything is nicely done and has useful effects and animations, but enlightenment themes seem to be done for the sake of being pretty and noticed |
| 00:01.32 | clarissa | streuner, i didn't use a script its a irc command to whisper ^^ |
| 00:01.46 | Nei | rebekka, www.rasterman.com. take a look under news/ window manager torture |
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| 00:01.58 | nvz | rebekka: you dont need a desktop environment at all.. there is also XFCE4 which is lighter weight |
| 00:02.11 | nile | rebekka, I'd really suggest you try both of them. only you can decide! |
| 00:02.55 | streuner | clarissa: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 00:03.23 | polishkoop | wols: i tried going thru the setup on my other pc and it works... so something is definately wrong with my motherboard or something. |
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| 00:03.42 | rebekka | Ok |
| 00:03.46 | disorder | xfce feels a little bloated lately. or it's just me? |
| 00:04.04 | rebekka | Two more questions... when I download a package .deb what do I need to do to install it?? |
| 00:04.05 | clarissa | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.dsl-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 00:04.11 | Nei | there is always twm |
| 00:04.25 | streuner | clarissa: ok, just /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:04.26 | stew | ion3! |
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| 00:04.37 | Nei | rebekka, rather than downloading debs, use aptitude and have it get and install the debs for you |
| 00:04.44 | clarissa | streuner, i don't want to get unstable :3 |
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| 00:05.00 | streuner | !info amsn |
| 00:05.02 | dpkg | amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.95-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2241 kB, Installed size: 7884 kB |
| 00:05.02 | Nei | clarissa, you can mix |
| 00:05.10 | Nei | hahaha tcl |
| 00:05.17 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 00:05.17 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 00:05.23 | rebekka | Ok... I just installed SKYPE... and Skype wasnt in the list from Aptitude.... |
| 00:05.27 | nvz | no you cant mix |
| 00:05.34 | rebekka | I took me 20 min to install the program right |
| 00:05.47 | nix_chix0r | MatBoy, can't always get your way ;) |
| 00:05.56 | Nei | rebekka, then you need to install them, like with dpkg -i *.deb |
| 00:06.27 | rebekka | always this way : DPKG -I XXX.deb??? |
| 00:06.31 | MatBoy | nix_chix0r, nah... rm -rf /* worked always when I didn't wanted it too :p |
| 00:06.45 | nile | MatBoy, please don't :( |
| 00:06.50 | nix_chix0r | MatBoy, but not on windows hehe |
| 00:06.55 | Nei | rebekka, not every .deb works everywhere |
| 00:07.09 | nix_chix0r | hmm i wonder if it's bad to chew ice |
| 00:07.10 | MatBoy | nile, I never had that problem :) let's knock some clean wood :D |
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| 00:07.22 | MatBoy | Woman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:07.26 | MatBoy | let let her : |
| 00:07.27 | MatBoy | D |
| 00:07.32 | MatBoy | oops |
| 00:07.34 | stew | MatBoy: please keep it on topic |
| 00:07.44 | nvz | MatBoy: http://www.w4eg.de/pic/bgillu/tuxperience.jpg or http://wallpapers.pn9.net/computers/Original/TuXperience.jpg |
| 00:07.45 | nix_chix0r | haha |
| 00:07.51 | nix_chix0r | you got told what's up |
| 00:07.58 | nix_chix0r | so I was going to install debian .. |
| 00:07.59 | nix_chix0r | and i'm lazy |
| 00:08.05 | nix_chix0r | so I came in here |
| 00:08.18 | MatBoy | stew, are you also sometimes not behind your computer ? |
| 00:08.21 | nix_chix0r | I have open bsd |
| 00:08.28 | nix_chix0r | MatBoy, you're in the wrong corner |
| 00:08.43 | rebekka | and my last question is.... where do I go on KDE AND Gnome to change my screen resolution from 800x600 to 1280x768??? |
| 00:08.47 | nvz | nix_chix0r: maybe you should have that checked out by a doctor |
| 00:09.03 | Nei | rebekka, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:09.14 | nvz | "I have open bsd" sounds like one of those commercials about stds |
| 00:09.16 | nix_chix0r | nvz, I don't think a doctor will say much about being just plain lazy |
| 00:09.20 | nix_chix0r | oh |
| 00:09.21 | nix_chix0r | hahhaha |
| 00:09.24 | nix_chix0r | m bad |
| 00:09.25 | rebekka | just type that??? |
| 00:09.28 | nix_chix0r | I use openbsd |
| 00:10.25 | nile | rebekka, yes. then restart your X when you're done |
| 00:10.34 | MatBoy | is someone able to check smbfs with the latest version ? I have a bug here and think of to report it |
| 00:10.39 | nix_chix0r | and the debian cd that I had burned is obviously the one where you fetch things online becasue I don't have like 15million cds of it |
| 00:11.00 | Nei | MatBoy, and it is not already reported? |
| 00:11.05 | rebekka | Ok... the linux said server-xorg is not installed |
| 00:11.06 | shining | reminds me about suse |
| 00:11.13 | rebekka | and now? |
| 00:11.17 | MatBoy | Nei, didn't check it :) |
| 00:11.18 | shining | I never tried it because of that. though I wanted to |
| 00:11.33 | nix_chix0r | question, do you have to do much configuring for a wireless network card for a desktop? |
| 00:11.35 | nvz | rebekka: now, try typing what he told you to type |
| 00:11.41 | nvz | instead of making stuff up :P |
| 00:11.47 | nix_chix0r | because i'm leechin the net and I want to install something |
| 00:11.59 | rebekka | nvz... what did you tell me ?? |
| 00:12.11 | Nei | nix_chix0r, depends on whether the card is supported by debian/linux ;) |
| 00:12.39 | nvz | english must not be your first language because _I_ told you nothing, and _I_ didnt say that I did |
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| 00:12.53 | nix_chix0r | well it's pretty standard linksys wireless -G pci adapter |
| 00:12.55 | MatBoy | Nei, nope, no report yet |
| 00:13.12 | nvz | rebekka: it was xserver-xorg, not server-xorg |
| 00:13.20 | rebekka | I typed what he told me ... and it said: server-xorg is not installed |
| 00:13.45 | nvz | too bad he didnt say server-xorg |
| 00:13.54 | rebekka | I went to a terminal and wrote down: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:14.19 | RichiH | when aptitude tells me a package will be removed due to dependency conflicts but does not show any, how do i find yout what is ailing it? |
| 00:14.22 | polishkoop | rebekka: did you install x? |
| 00:14.37 | coventry | I need the latest NVidia driver in order to get the maximum resolution out of my monitor. Is there a third-party .deb file for it out there, somewhere? Failing that, can someone point me at step-by-step instructions on how to rebuild my kernel, so that I have the source code against which the NVidia installation script can build its own kernel module? |
| 00:15.06 | streuner | RichiH: and BTS says nothing about? |
| 00:15.13 | MatBoy | !tell coventry about one-liner |
| 00:15.18 | stew | RichiH: you are using the gui or cli? |
| 00:15.29 | RichiH | stew: gui |
| 00:15.32 | nvz | RichiH: thats why I havent embrased aptitude yet.. seems to do things at random without explaining them very well |
| 00:15.32 | MatBoy | !tell coventry about nvidia-oneliner |
| 00:15.35 | Nei | RichiH, you can use e to examine the problem and look at resources. or open the package by entering on it to view details. you can also try b to search for broken packages |
| 00:15.40 | rebekka | Ok... I did actually select personally all my packages... I just chose Desktop computer style... and debian chose the packages for me |
| 00:15.44 | MatBoy | mhh |
| 00:15.48 | MatBoy | !tell coventry about nvidia-one-liner |
| 00:15.49 | RichiH | streuner: the problem is that this testing wants to remove half of my system when upgrading |
| 00:16.01 | polishkoop | rebekka, what happens when you type startx |
| 00:16.08 | RichiH | nvz: i don't like it, either |
| 00:16.10 | stew | RichiH: maybe try marking it for installation and see what else wants to then drop out? |
| 00:16.27 | coventry | MatBoy: should I google for nvidia-one-liner? |
| 00:16.38 | rebekka | KNT:/home/rebekka# startx |
| 00:16.39 | rebekka | Using authority file /tmp/libgksu1.2-kt6zPe/.Xauthority |
| 00:16.39 | rebekka | Writing authority file /tmp/libgksu1.2-kt6zPe/.Xauthority |
| 00:16.40 | rebekka | X: warning; process set to priority -11 instead of requested priority -10 |
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| 00:16.44 | RichiH | 278 upgraded, 159 newly installed, 361 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:16.51 | RichiH | one does not really want to debug this by hand |
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| 00:16.55 | rebekka | thats what happens |
| 00:16.58 | nvz | RichiH: only thing I use it for is when I get a really bad loop going on I dont feel like fixing and I rather let it do its automagic crap |
| 00:17.02 | polishkoop | rebekka: so you have it... what linux are you running |
| 00:17.25 | RichiH | stew: a few hundred ;) |
| 00:17.26 | MatBoy | coventry, it should be here in dpkg... |
| 00:17.27 | rebekka | I just download the new debian from the internet |
| 00:17.34 | RichiH | nvz: yah |
| 00:17.36 | polishkoop | rebekka: is it sarge etch or sid? |
| 00:17.49 | stew | RichiH: which is the offending package/ |
| 00:17.57 | rebekka | wow... I didnt understand sheiße |
| 00:18.00 | streuner | RichiH: what's the name of the package? |
| 00:18.05 | streuner | shit |
| 00:18.07 | MatBoy | Can someone tell coventry about the Nvidia One Liner ? I always get it wrong :( |
| 00:18.20 | polishkoop | rebekka:type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:19.04 | streuner | RichiH: well, i have no idea about aptitude, can you paste the error in paster and use apt-get only? |
| 00:19.30 | streuner | dpkg, nvidia one-liner |
| 00:19.30 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 00:19.44 | MatBoy | !beer streuner |
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| 00:19.50 | nvz | ok wtf does this mean.. I am installing x-window-system gnome kde xfce4..etc on a etch system and it gave me a huge list of packages after I confirmed the install and says "install these without verification?" |
| 00:20.02 | nvz | I;'ve been using debian for like 6 years never heard that one before |
| 00:20.13 | streuner | nvz: read /topic :-) |
| 00:20.19 | nvz | ok |
| 00:20.27 | streuner | (key 2006) |
| 00:20.30 | rebekka | wow... it started asking questions I have no ideia... cant linux figure out my video card?? |
| 00:20.41 | rebekka | Do I have to know it myslef? |
| 00:20.46 | stew | nvz: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 00:21.04 | RichiH | streuner, stew: there are a few dozen that show this behaviour |
| 00:21.12 | Nei | newer versions of debian have an autodetectin |
| 00:21.17 | polishkoop | rebekka: You should try to figure out how to answre them |
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| 00:21.26 | Nei | but for your version you need to pick it yourself I guess ;) |
| 00:21.30 | RichiH | one of them is libkcddb1 which is one of the many dead ends i encountered when trying to find the root |
| 00:21.50 | rebekka | but how... opening the pc??? I have no Ideia what card I have here... this is not my pc... |
| 00:21.57 | polishkoop | rebekka: with sarge you need to configure it yourself, at least from my experiences. |
| 00:22.25 | polishkoop | rebekka: pick vesa drivers then, or if you are using a different operating system as well then check on there. |
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| 00:22.40 | rebekka | no.. only have linux |
| 00:22.50 | polishkoop | rebekka: then pick vesa drivers. |
| 00:22.50 | nvz | stew: it says in that factiod that apt in testing/unstable now contains that key.. I wouldnt mind just doing that if I could copy/paste but I cant :P and typing out that key seems rediculous when I should supposedly have it |
| 00:23.23 | polishkoop | rebekka: that will at least get your GUI working. |
| 00:23.30 | stew | nvz: you can just use the last 8 digits of the key |
| 00:23.38 | RichiH | streuner: there is no error as such |
| 00:23.42 | stew | nvz: someone got overzealous in that factoid |
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| 00:23.53 | nvz | o.O |
| 00:24.01 | rebekka | Ok.. last quaestion... you guys give me your opinion.... I really like KDE.... but its too heavy.... Gnome as well... so... what other GUI could I use... that runs the stuff from KDE???? |
| 00:24.03 | RichiH | streuner: aptitude just tells me no reason why the dependency is broken |
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| 00:24.26 | Nei | rebekka, you can run kde programs from everywhere |
| 00:24.37 | streuner | RichiH: ok, just try apt-get then |
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| 00:25.17 | rebekka | I heard that there are so GUIs that support either KDE stuff or Gnome |
| 00:25.19 | rebekka | no? |
| 00:25.32 | nvz | hmm, wtf I thought since my nicks were linked changing the password on one changed them both.. obviously not |
| 00:25.34 | nile | that's not true |
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| 00:25.51 | disorder | rebekka: if you are using KDE stuff, pick KDE |
| 00:26.09 | Nei | disorder, that is a bogus advice |
| 00:26.15 | polishkoop | rebekka: To my knowledge it doesn't matter, but if you use a program that isn't made for ur gui then it will run sort of crap. I could be wrong though. |
| 00:26.22 | rebekka | But its too heavy for my PC... |
| 00:26.23 | enveezee | ah shit, forgot to start screen so I could copy/paste |
| 00:26.29 | rebekka | I want something lighter |
| 00:26.37 | disorder | Nei: it's my opinion |
| 00:26.48 | streuner | try wmaker, openbox, fluxbox |
| 00:26.58 | polishkoop | rebekka: if you want something really light, try the console. |
| 00:27.14 | rebekka | thanks polishkoop |
| 00:27.19 | streuner | !wm |
| 00:27.20 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. http://xwinman.org/ |
| 00:27.32 | streuner | fuck, that's nonsense |
| 00:27.54 | Nei | ;) |
| 00:28.02 | streuner | hm, the last entry is useful |
| 00:28.21 | polishkoop | Anyone in here right now able to help me get etch to detect my cd roms during installation? |
| 00:28.36 | Nei | speaking of login managers |
| 00:28.38 | streuner | How should we know now? |
| 00:28.50 | streuner | polishkoop: SCSI? |
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| 00:28.58 | Nei | would anyone happen to know how I get them to read (and set up) my /etc/environment? |
| 00:29.30 | polishkoop | streuner: I think they are just regular IDE. Atapi IDE i believe. I don't know too much about cd roms though. |
| 00:29.37 | coventry | Argh, that one-liner has scrolled off the screen. Could you repeat it, please, streuner? (I'm using bitchx, but I'm not sure how to go back in the IRC history, or unsubscribe from channels, so stuff is scrolling off the top for me sort of quickly...) |
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| 00:29.59 | streuner | !tell coventry about nvidia one-liner |
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| 00:30.27 | streuner | coventry: so use some irc-client who you are able to handle... |
| 00:30.28 | Nei | polishkoop, if they are connected to your hdd controller, debian should be able to detect them... |
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| 00:30.44 | polishkoop | nei: yah I know. Sarge was able to, ubuntu was able to... just not etch. |
| 00:30.48 | RichiH | streuner: i will paste it as soon as the normal upgrade is through |
| 00:30.53 | RichiH | it just takes ages ;) |
| 00:30.53 | diazepam | sure this question has been asked a million times - however i've googled it to death. How do you set Sun Java as your default VM / |
| 00:30.58 | nvz | bah! I installed that damn key and it still says that |
| 00:31.13 | Nei | diazepam, take a look at update-alternatives |
| 00:31.16 | nvz | screw it :P |
| 00:31.34 | Nei | you can use update-alternatives --all if you dont know the exact names |
| 00:31.38 | diazepam | Nei thanks |
| 00:32.02 | polishkoop | nei: is there anything in my bios I could change to get etch to see them? |
| 00:32.13 | streuner | polishkoop: nah |
| 00:32.29 | Nei | polishkoop, sounds more like a bug to me. try the nightly installers maybe? |
| 00:32.30 | streuner | polishkoop: that's NOT a problem then for the installer itself... |
| 00:32.31 | rockstar_ | Looks like the unstable gnome packages are messed up in apt right now... |
| 00:32.57 | polishkoop | nei: what are they? I also tried 3 different cd roms on my system, so it has to be the motherboard. |
| 00:33.11 | Nei | polishkoop, but if it works in sarge... that's strange |
| 00:33.14 | streuner | he already told you |
| 00:33.18 | nvz | diazepam: or you could have just used java-package to build a debian sun java package and it probably would have taken care of all that |
| 00:33.49 | streuner | polishkoop: just try a different version and make sure the iso is verifed too |
| 00:33.50 | Nei | nvz, java package doesn't set sun java to be the default automatically... |
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| 00:34.13 | diazepam | nvz - yeah will give java-package a go if i cant fix the mess ive created |
| 00:34.17 | nvz | its not like there is an alternative java |
| 00:34.20 | RichiH | streuner: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3090 |
| 00:34.27 | polishkoop | streuner: you mean a snapshot or going back to sarge? I also used the same cdrom that worked with etch on this machine. put it on my other and it didn't work |
| 00:34.29 | Nei | nvz, you're quite mistaken |
| 00:34.33 | nvz | well I guess kaffee in debian |
| 00:34.46 | nvz | but thats not really java |
| 00:34.51 | Nei | I actually have six different javas that alternatives lists me |
| 00:35.16 | Nei | whether they're really or not, they are the set default and not suns |
| 00:35.20 | nvz | there are no real java in debian. regaurdless of how many there are in the known universe |
| 00:35.43 | MatBoy | how can I copy every file with a specific extention on a system to a specific folder ? |
| 00:35.54 | streuner | RichiH: just do it :-) |
| 00:36.02 | nvz | seems to me like which ever you install should be default |
| 00:36.10 | RichiH | streuner: hmm. no ;) |
| 00:36.15 | streuner | haha |
| 00:36.23 | nvz | if you package and and install sun, then it should be default |
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| 00:36.26 | Nei | MatBoy, that's non-trivial.. what is your goal? |
| 00:36.32 | Nei | nvz, why should it |
| 00:36.37 | nile | MatBoy, 'cp /folder/*.extension /destination'? |
| 00:36.42 | MatBoy | Nei, not to locate all the files and do it manually |
| 00:36.51 | nvz | because its the one thats installed.. what the hell good does it do to have an uninstalled default |
| 00:36.51 | sid | MatBoy: mkdir /tmp/windows_shit; for i in `find ./|grep .exe`; do mv $i /tmp/windows_shit; done |
| 00:36.52 | streuner | RichiH: sounds like a KDE problem |
| 00:36.54 | sid | MatBoy: that? |
| 00:37.04 | MatBoy | nile, I was looking for a solution that the system will look into the DB |
| 00:37.07 | Nei | nvz, but other suitable defaults are installed by default |
| 00:37.16 | MatBoy | nile, the DB of the filesystem :) |
| 00:37.17 | Nei | so a later sun java install wouldnt change them |
| 00:37.19 | nile | MatBoy, locate? |
| 00:37.25 | nile | eh, nevermind then |
| 00:37.39 | Nei | sid, that will screw when the filenames contain linebreaks |
| 00:37.40 | RichiH | streuner: non-kde applications show the same apttern |
| 00:37.43 | MatBoy | nile, indeed, biut after it I need to copy or move it manually |
| 00:37.46 | nvz | to my knowledge there has never been any "suitable" or otherwise java interpreter on my system |
| 00:37.57 | Nei | sid, and probably even with spaces |
| 00:38.07 | MatBoy | nile, it would be nice if the system sees a extention... just move it :) |
| 00:38.09 | streuner | RichiH: the system want to remove mostly qt apps... |
| 00:38.17 | RichiH | streuner: yes |
| 00:38.27 | RichiH | but where is the packages that wants to do this? |
| 00:38.39 | nvz | who cares, its qt apps, consider that a favor :P |
| 00:38.46 | clarissa | streuner, do you know how to install ati drivers for x850xt ? i have x.org from backports.org allready installed with sarge and newer 2.6.16 486 kernel from backports.org too :) |
| 00:38.51 | streuner | well, i guess its a basic qt-lib :-) |
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| 00:39.51 | streuner | RichiH: all depends are fucked, you stay with this OR you go the *HARD* way ;-) |
| 00:39.55 | Nei | MatBoy, rather than that awkward dangerous command above, you'll want to take a look at man find |
| 00:40.08 | Nei | especially about exec et al |
| 00:40.16 | MatBoy | Nei OK ! |
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| 00:40.57 | Nei | you should learn a few basic commands, they'll often be of use later |
| 00:41.11 | clarissa | hmm i see you don't want to talk with me :( |
| 00:41.14 | Nei | alternatively, consider changing shells. zsh has a very intuitive syntax for matters thelike |
| 00:41.27 | rebekka | what is the name of that program we use to download and install packages... adptive... adptavive... how do I spell that?? |
| 00:41.37 | nvz | aptitude |
| 00:41.40 | Nei | clarissa, proprietary drivers are not trivial, stab at google |
| 00:41.44 | rebekka | thank u |
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| 00:42.51 | stoned | Dunkelheit |
| 00:43.46 | Nei | I love those female nicked guys. and their plan even works |
| 00:44.11 | nvz | I suppose. |
| 00:44.11 | rockstar_ | I'm trying to install gnome, but I keep getting Depends: gnome-core (= 1:2.14.2) but it is not going to be installed. |
| 00:44.26 | nvz | most of you arent even people to me much less gendered :P |
| 00:44.29 | rockstar_ | I've got newer installations of those files, how can I tell apt to ignore dependencies? |
| 00:44.41 | nvz | a few of you I know well enough to consider you as people |
| 00:44.43 | stoned | nvz, lol |
| 00:44.52 | stoned | misanthropic much? hehe |
| 00:44.57 | rockstar_ | nvz, I'm gendered, but I only use it to pee... |
| 00:45.02 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:45.42 | nvz | this comes from chatting on networks like yahoo as a teenager.. I come to assume you are some kind of freak, or robot or something untill proven otherwise |
| 00:45.52 | stoned | lol |
| 00:46.12 | nvz | those of you who I've talked to for many years on here I've come to accept as humans |
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| 00:47.16 | nvz | I get disgusted hearing about children and the internet these days.. it was no different when I was a teenager.. and I never got hurt :P |
| 00:47.55 | nvz | people just use the internet like some kind of gaurdian or babysitter cause they dont have the time or the interest to pay attention to their kids lives.. and then get upset when the internet doesnt raise them right |
| 00:47.57 | RichiH | streuner: yah, well, i would prefer to go the soft way |
| 00:48.04 | stoned | well glad to know I'm seen as a human |
| 00:48.05 | stoned | lol |
| 00:48.06 | RichiH | streuner: plus, one always learns from stuff like this |
| 00:48.14 | stoned | I thought I was a tree for the longest time |
| 00:48.17 | stoned | damn |
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| 00:48.48 | streuner | DD's never disapointed me about knowledge to fix issues about debian :-) |
| 00:48.49 | nvz | stoned: no trees wouldnt burn so many of their kind |
| 00:48.51 | RichiH | streuner: if the dependencies were cached, i could try rebuilding the graph, but that is done already, anyway |
| 00:48.55 | stoned | lol |
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| 00:49.15 | rockstar_ | nvz, We had the internet, but my dad taught us how to use it. That's the difference between then and now. Parents. |
| 00:49.36 | RichiH | which reminds me that apt-get has been talking about dependency trees forever |
| 00:49.42 | RichiH | which is factually wrong |
| 00:50.01 | RichiH | unless you have special cases |
| 00:50.13 | RichiH | which can not know at the time you are printing the message |
| 00:50.28 | stoned | nvz, unless one were an Evil ENT! |
| 00:50.40 | stoned | ala LOTR |
| 00:51.09 | rockstar_ | stoned, are you stoned? |
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| 00:55.08 | heh_v_water | Xvesa is the xserver they use in DSL it was a pain to find but I found the developer's debian package and it installed to testing and fired up immediately |
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| 00:57.39 | nvz | yeah even in a metal body cafuego could probably still kick my butt in bzflag |
| 00:58.04 | _ds | (yes, a metal body with handle-like constructs on its head...) |
| 00:58.29 | _ds | (and blank eyes) |
| 00:58.55 | nvz | I havent had much practice.. my s3-prosuckage suckage4 gets like 1fps |
| 00:59.21 | flixil | Only a question, what happens to apt-file? |
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| 00:59.43 | nvz | when you put it into an incomplete sentance? |
| 00:59.47 | Nei | I suspect it might start working again once someone fixes the package content files |
| 01:00.14 | dabreegster | Hmm, once I get DRI going again I might try it. Is bzflag fun? |
| 01:00.20 | cafuego | dabreegster: yep |
| 01:00.30 | Nei | hehe bzflag |
| 01:00.38 | cafuego | dabreegster: gameplay isn't hampered by overly complex graphics :-) |
| 01:00.40 | Nei | thats what poor linux people have to play |
| 01:00.43 | nvz | yeah bzflag 2.0 is pretty cool. got the joystick support working now |
| 01:00.45 | MatBoy | when you remove files from the commandline, will it begin removing on the last date or is there no way how it will remove the files ? |
| 01:00.50 | arfab | hello, I'm having trouble installing the driver/module for my nvidia video card, I've been following the instructions on |
| 01:00.52 | arfab | http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 01:00.54 | dabreegster | cafuego: Excellent. |
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| 01:01.03 | arfab | but they aren't working |
| 01:01.06 | jkp__ | hey guys |
| 01:01.17 | dabreegster | Bah, brb. >30 lag. |
| 01:01.17 | Nei | MatBoy, it will remove them in the order you list them... |
| 01:01.22 | jkp__ | i see a package here http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/libs/libimlib2 that i want but its not in aptitude |
| 01:01.40 | jkp__ | any ideas why? im running the latest release of debian |
| 01:01.41 | MatBoy | Nei, but what is default ? I think date and not name |
| 01:01.57 | Nei | 'default'?? |
| 01:01.58 | jkp__ | do i need to add a new source to my package managment configuration? |
| 01:02.03 | Nei | also, why would it matter |
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| 01:02.31 | MatBoy | Nei, you said... the way YOU list them... so the system, should have a default listing idea or something |
| 01:02.48 | Nei | if you dont list them, it cannot remove them |
| 01:03.22 | MatBoy | Nei, I mean... rm -rf or someting |
| 01:03.45 | MatBoy | Nei, so not set the files... but everything |
| 01:03.46 | Nei | that will probably just remove the files in the order theyare currently stored on the filesystem |
| 01:03.59 | Nei | whichever order that might be |
| 01:04.01 | MatBoy | Nei, that will bedate I guess |
| 01:04.06 | MatBoy | be dat |
| 01:04.09 | MatBoy | *e |
| 01:04.10 | Nei | that's hardly guaranteed |
| 01:04.16 | MatBoy | Nei, indeed |
| 01:04.19 | MatBoy | but I guess |
| 01:04.23 | MatBoy | when the system is smart |
| 01:04.25 | MatBoy | :) |
| 01:04.41 | Nei | there is no benefit for the system to impose a date order on the files |
| 01:04.58 | MatBoy | Nei, that is true |
| 01:05.09 | MatBoy | Nei, but would there be an order in files and folders ? |
| 01:05.12 | jkp__ | is there a way to install a .deb and get it to try and fetch its deps before it goes to install? |
| 01:05.18 | MatBoy | first files than folders ? or otherwise ? |
| 01:05.59 | streuner | jkp__: heh? |
| 01:06.19 | streuner | jkp__: apt-get -s <package>? |
| 01:06.29 | jkp__ | streuner: im downloading some .deb files from packages.debina.org that i dont see in aptitude |
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| 01:06.41 | Nei | MatBoy, some random undefined order, sure |
| 01:06.48 | jkp__ | i dont want to break anything by installing them, but i also dont want to have to fetch all deps manually |
| 01:06.57 | jkp__ | streuner: im new to debain :) |
| 01:07.00 | arfab | does anyone here know about installing nvdidia drivers? |
| 01:07.05 | arfab | *nvidia |
| 01:07.12 | MatBoy | Nei, OK... just try to find some usefull info about such things :) |
| 01:07.13 | streuner | jkp__: sure, aptitude takes care about the sources.list NOT whatevery package you have on your HD |
| 01:07.29 | MatBoy | !tell arfab about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:07.30 | streuner | s/whatevery/whatever/ |
| 01:07.41 | jkp__ | can i add new sources to it? |
| 01:07.54 | khaije1 | anyone have any experience w/ an irc plugin for vim? |
| 01:08.22 | streuner | jkp__: just use official sources - its enough for most of the people without headaches... |
| 01:08.33 | garryF | There are probably as many ways to install/misinstall nvidia on debian, as there are nvidia card models. Good luck to ye. |
| 01:08.35 | khaije1 | i use vi alot for sys-admin stuff and it would be great to have be able to use both simultaneously |
| 01:08.45 | jkp__ | i need some stuff thats in packages.debian.org...are they not official? |
| 01:09.01 | streuner | jkp__: sure, What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:09.50 | jkp__ | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared Libraries and Timezone |
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| 01:10.03 | streuner | jkp__: and what package do you need? |
| 01:10.08 | jkp__ | evas |
| 01:10.13 | jkp__ | libevas |
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| 01:10.44 | arfab | ty MatBoy, can I post my error message here, or shall I put it in #flood? |
| 01:10.59 | jkp__ | streuner: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/libs/libevas0 |
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| 01:11.05 | MatBoy | arfab, try pastebin |
| 01:11.12 | arfab | k |
| 01:11.13 | maikol | would anyone know why wine keeps restarting my X |
| 01:11.14 | streuner | jkp__: uhm, that's woody by the way... |
| 01:11.22 | jkp__ | what does that mean? |
| 01:11.23 | jkp__ | :p |
| 01:11.24 | MatBoy | arfab, I'm going to sleep... damn too tired... 3.15am here |
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| 01:11.39 | jkp__ | im new remember...i come from a fedora / redhat world ;) |
| 01:11.45 | arfab | ok, I'll come back tomorrow |
| 01:11.56 | MatBoy | ok |
| 01:11.58 | streuner | jkp__: for what do you need this package at all? |
| 01:12.00 | MatBoy | cu |
| 01:12.05 | arfab | thanks |
| 01:12.06 | arfab | 'nite |
| 01:12.08 | jkp__ | streuner: im developing something |
| 01:12.21 | jkp__ | im looking into it as a possible candidate for a library i might use |
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| 01:13.18 | rockstar_ | The great thing about Debian is it is, for the most part, from the ground up. Of course, that means some tasks are difficult, like xserver... |
| 01:13.39 | jkp__ | i like the fact that it is from the ground up |
| 01:13.44 | jkp__ | thats what i really like about it... |
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| 01:14.05 | jkp__ | i used the network install (ftp) and everything i have on here i put on myself...which feels like the right way to run a system |
| 01:14.12 | disorder | rockstar_: ever tried to use yum? |
| 01:14.14 | jkp__ | in the case of linux that is |
| 01:14.17 | jkp__ | ewww yum |
| 01:14.22 | jkp__ | :p |
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| 01:14.38 | disorder | jkp__: i agree :) |
| 01:14.43 | jkp__ | disorder: i find yum so clumsy....it never does what i want it to do |
| 01:14.54 | garryF | rename it to ick then. :) |
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| 01:15.00 | jkp__ | heheh |
| 01:15.17 | jkp__ | streuner: any suggestions on the right way to go to get this lib on my system then? |
| 01:15.24 | cyn0n | does anyone know of a way for apt-get to allow multiple instances to run concurrently? would it be a bad idea to hack in some mutexes to allow it? |
| 01:15.26 | rockstar_ | disorder, Nah, redhat never was my thing... |
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| 01:17.04 | streuner | jkp__: nope, just try #debian-devel on OFTC |
| 01:17.13 | jkp__ | nother network? |
| 01:17.16 | rockstar_ | Is there a way I can tell apt to ignore dependencies? |
| 01:17.17 | streuner | yes |
| 01:17.31 | streuner | or just here |
| 01:17.33 | jkp__ | streuner: is that package going to do bad things to my system? |
| 01:17.40 | garryF | They had Centos, a promising red hat based distro with the red hat stuff but they adopted fedora as the base and anaconda as the installer. Its a sneaky snake, that ate my hat. :) |
| 01:18.04 | streuner | jkp__: well, if that lib isn't in unstable its always not a good sign... |
| 01:18.14 | jkp__ | its in oldstable |
| 01:18.31 | streuner | ask that in #debian-devel |
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| 01:19.42 | rockstar_ | I can't get Gnome to install, and for some reason, the unstable packages are behind in updates... |
| 01:20.02 | streuner | jkp__: http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
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| 01:20.30 | pingouin | is there a way to receive mails from Exchange, in a windows microsoft environement , running a debian ? |
| 01:21.11 | jarjar26 | Hi everybody .. i have do apt-dist upgrade and now i receive error on debconf : File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/FormEncode-0.5.1-py2.3.egg/formencode/formgen.py", line 1 SyntaxError : Invalide syntax .. |
| 01:21.20 | clarissa | how to start the ati-driver-installer.run file? |
| 01:21.29 | flixil | sh *.run |
| 01:21.37 | clarissa | ah sh thank you flixil |
| 01:21.52 | flixil | or chmod +x *.run && *.run |
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| 01:22.10 | clarissa | x.org 6.8 is needed i have 6.9 is that okay? |
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| 01:23.05 | streuner | in most cases |
| 01:23.09 | streuner | !ati |
| 01:23.09 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 01:28.13 | joemauch | what does the linux device nas0 signify ? |
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| 01:28.54 | lurker99 | Network Attached Storage ? |
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| 01:30.52 | joemauch | lurker99, sorry, duh :) |
| 01:31.08 | rockstar_ | I'm trying to get apt to ignore dependencies. Anyone know how? |
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| 01:32.18 | streuner | heh, wanna shoot into your foot, go on :-) |
| 01:32.57 | streuner | there is a reason why apt want depends... |
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| 01:33.26 | cyn0n | hrm.. I have a similar question. I'm having trouble finding info on howto run multiple instances of apt-get concurrently |
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| 01:34.29 | sid | cyn0n: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 01:34.52 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 01:34.53 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 01:35.01 | rockstar_ | streuner, Understandable, but the libraries are there, just newer versions of them, so it'll be fine. |
| 01:35.25 | cyn0n | sid: basically I just want to do 'apt-get install blah' twice at the same time.. I figure if there are no conflicting packages there shouldn't be a reason why I can't do that |
| 01:35.27 | sid | rockstar_: not true |
| 01:35.30 | streuner | hm, sounds like bobbitt then :-) |
| 01:35.41 | sid | cyn0n: You can list pacakges. |
| 01:35.51 | sid | cyn0n: ie run # apt-get install blah1 blah2 blah3 |
| 01:36.12 | garryF | Running multiple instances of apt-get would cause confusion with all the different apps downloading and apt trying to update the same database and dependancies at the same time. It would be chaos. |
| 01:36.16 | rockstar_ | sid, the fact of the matter is, I have to wait for debian to fix their problems before I can get a GUI up and going. |
| 01:36.19 | cyn0n | sid: yeh.. I'm picky... I don't always think of what I want to install at the same time.. |
| 01:36.32 | sid | rockstar_: There are no problems in debian stable. What are you talking about? |
| 01:36.39 | cyn0n | garryF: that's why you throw in a mutex.. if something should not be accessed at that time your set |
| 01:36.46 | rockstar_ | sid, using unstable... |
| 01:36.50 | sid | cyn0n: Well as good practice, you should never use apt-get at the same time. |
| 01:37.01 | sid | rockstar_: Do you not understand some words in the english language? |
| 01:37.03 | cafuego | unstable is never going to be fixed. |
| 01:37.04 | sid | !tell rockstar_ about unstable |
| 01:37.21 | sid | rockstar_: unstable is for developers; it's supposed to break(often) |
| 01:37.37 | sid | rockstar_: unstable will always be broken, and it will never be released. |
| 01:38.06 | rockstar_ | sid, I understand that, but at the same time, I can't very well revert back to etch now can I? |
| 01:38.15 | sid | rockstar_: no |
| 01:38.24 | sid | rockstar_: But you should have thought about that before you upgraded to "unstable" |
| 01:39.07 | rockstar_ | sid, you don't seem to be much help. Let me deal with my independencies myself, I just wanted to know whether or not I could use apt ignoring dependencies. |
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| 01:39.09 | sid | rockstar_: What are you trying to install? |
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| 01:39.17 | cyn0n | sid: true... but say apt-get had some code that chked to see if there were multiple dependencies..I mean if I did vim-common and tcpdump one after the other that should be fine.. if it was gpg and openssl then I might need a mutex |
| 01:39.18 | rockstar_ | gnome, that's it. |
| 01:39.39 | sid | !tell rockstar_ about bts |
| 01:39.47 | nse | is there a way to see a recent output that went to one specific terminal? |
| 01:40.00 | sid | nse: no |
| 01:40.28 | sid | nse: You can install a program so you are able to see output from a specific terminal in the future. |
| 01:40.39 | sid | nse: Or if you are running the terminal..You can use screen; or even "script" |
| 01:40.44 | rockstar_ | sid, I have that option if I didn't think it was going to be fixed within a day or two... |
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| 01:41.06 | sid | rockstar_: gnome and kde break very often in unstable |
| 01:41.16 | nse | sid: thank you |
| 01:41.17 | sid | almost everytime there is a new version out, it breaks for a couple months |
| 01:41.22 | rockstar_ | *sigh* Which is why I use enlightenment... |
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| 01:41.32 | sid | yea, that will probably break a lot less. |
| 01:41.40 | sid | since it's 20x smaller and easier to manage. |
| 01:42.07 | sid | rockstar_: There appears to be no "gnome" bugs about not being able to install on the bts. |
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| 01:42.21 | sid | rockstar_: And I'm running debian unstable and talking to you with gnome/irssi right now. |
| 01:42.28 | rockstar_ | sid, because I haven't filed any... it's going to be fixed, I just hate waiting... |
| 01:42.44 | rockstar_ | sid, it's because you've got gnome ALREADY installed. I don't. |
| 01:42.50 | sid | rockstar_: Put the output of "dpkg -al|grep -v ^ii; apt-get install gnome;" on a paste site. |
| 01:42.53 | sid | !tell rockstar_ about paste |
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| 01:43.49 | shining | hmm |
| 01:44.47 | shining | I only had a minor problem when uninstalling the locally installed packages |
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| 01:45.04 | shining | and even then, it only removed gnome applet and a few other gnome apps |
| 01:45.23 | shining | so gnome itself still runs fine in sid, without applets |
| 01:47.07 | rockstar_ | shining, I got gnome-bin installed, and x working, but it didn't do anything... because I need to install gnome-desktop-environment... |
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| 01:48.43 | shining | why do you need that? |
| 01:49.00 | shining | isn't it only a virtual package? |
| 01:49.18 | rockstar_ | Well, when I do apt-get install gnome, one of the packages it chokes on is gnome-desktop-environment |
| 01:49.49 | shining | yes of course, that's where the deps break... |
| 01:49.49 | evilgeek | rockstar_: there is a deeper reason why it chokes, though. some package that it requires is conflicting with something else. |
| 01:50.13 | rockstar_ | evilgeek, It's looking for a library that used to have a version number on it, and now is generic... |
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| 01:51.11 | rockstar_ | So the library is installed, just not the exact one it wants. |
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| 01:53.15 | shining | gnome-applets needs to be rebuild against libgtop2-7 and have its dep updated, that's all |
| 01:54.01 | evilgeek | rockstar_: yeah, i hate that. aptitude install equivs and then mess around with that. |
| 01:54.23 | rockstar_ | evilgeek, That's exactly the kinda thing I need. |
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| 02:00.26 | sid | rockstar_: If you want the latest gnome and more stability compared to sid, use Ubuntu. |
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| 02:01.09 | Nei | ubuntu was horrible for me |
| 02:01.13 | Nei | badly tested et al |
| 02:01.24 | Nei | etch is much more stable |
| 02:01.34 | shining | I don't know |
| 02:01.44 | shining | etch was nicely broken at some points |
| 02:01.46 | sid | etch breaks too(X69>X7) |
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| 02:02.04 | Nei | no doubt about that |
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| 02:02.27 | sid | One thing is for sure though, debian stable releases are damn stable. |
| 02:02.35 | shining | though ubuntu development versions are much more worse than sid. but stable versions are ok imo |
| 02:02.58 | shining | certainly less stable than debian stable though, right |
| 02:04.29 | evilgeek | ubuntu isn't that badly tested, really. |
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| 02:05.08 | evilgeek | it's not particularly awesome, but it's not completely bug-ridden either. |
| 02:05.12 | Nei | I guess I must just have been unlucky then |
| 02:05.27 | Nei | even most basic things like ooo wouldnt work together with an IME in ubuntu |
| 02:05.53 | evilgeek | given that they try to release new versions often enough that one can't get a bachelor's degree between releases, i'd say they do a fine job. |
| 02:06.05 | sid | yea, that was a well documented bug Nei |
| 02:06.21 | sid | Nei that didn't work for MANY ubuntu users(I don't use ubuntu I just lurk) |
| 02:06.53 | sid | anyway, this is offtopic. We should move to #debian-offtopic if we are going to continue. So peoples questions aren't talked over. |
| 02:07.41 | shining | which ones? |
| 02:09.01 | alan` | kk |
| 02:09.04 | alan` | woops |
| 02:09.05 | Nei | take it or leave it, but that shouldnt happen |
| 02:09.17 | Nei | and when I asked about the bug, noone had heard anything about it |
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| 02:13.23 | disasm | hey, i have a debian server (192.168.11.1 internal ip/external dhcp) with a startup script that adds a route for 10.27.0.0/24 to 192.168.11.254 problem is after a while it just drops the route, any ideas why and how to prevent it? |
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| 02:17.02 | chaos | hi all |
| 02:17.10 | sid | !greet chaos |
| 02:17.11 | dpkg | Howdy, chaos |
| 02:17.20 | sid | disasm: Did you try to /join #iptables ? |
| 02:17.28 | sid | disasm: Can you put the script that runs on a paste site? |
| 02:17.32 | sid | !tell disasm about paste |
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| 02:17.57 | chaos | i ran a apt-get update this afternoon, and my cyrus21 rejects my password since then - i'm using it with ldap & saslauthd |
| 02:17.59 | liable | dpkg: perhaps when the dhcp lease gets renewed? |
| 02:18.04 | liable | disasm: ^^ |
| 02:18.06 | disasm | sid: yeah, i can paste it |
| 02:18.10 | chaos | i get this very strange error: |
| 02:18.19 | sid | disasm: Do not paste it here in this channel. |
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| 02:18.44 | sid | chaos: What version of debian are you running? |
| 02:18.56 | chaos | may i paste the error? 1 1/2 lines |
| 02:18.58 | chaos | sarge |
| 02:19.00 | disasm | route add -net 10.27.0.0/24 gw 192.168.11.254 |
| 02:19.07 | sid | chaos: apt-get update really won't affect the system at all. You would have to do upgrade/dist-upgrade/install |
| 02:19.27 | disasm | that's the command in it, if you need to see the whole script I can give ya that too, but that just sets up the NAT stuff... would that have anything to do with it? |
| 02:19.30 | chaos | sid yes, did that too ... |
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| 02:19.58 | sid | chaos: sure |
| 02:20.12 | chaos | imapd: ldap-nss.c:1312: do_init: Assertion `cfg->ldc_uris[__session.ls_current_uri] != ((void *)0)' failed. |
| 02:20.49 | disasm | sid: gentux.org/proxy |
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| 02:21.21 | disasm | liable: thats a possibility, it looks like it's renewing every hour, and that's about right, any ideas how to get it to add the static routes when it renews? |
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| 02:23.20 | chaos | sid i get that error when i run imtest localhost as a regular user |
| 02:24.02 | chaos | and my cyrus always tells me bad login |
| 02:24.03 | liable | disasm: not that i can think of. chech dhclient.conf and see if it gives any clues |
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| 02:24.18 | chaos | testsaslauthd works, though |
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| 02:28.34 | disasm | liable: that's definitely the problem, was tailing syslog from the monitor hooked up to the server/router and lost network at the same instance dhcp renewed |
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| 02:29.30 | ram_einstein | how can I find out, given an iso, if it's multisession? |
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| 02:30.42 | liable | disasm: cool, at least you know where to start now. |
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| 02:31.21 | disasm | liable: i think i found something, can get dhclient to execute a script at dhclient-up-hooks i added the manual routes to it, and ran dhclient eth0 and didn't lose the routes, will see in an hour when it automatically renews if it loses them |
| 02:31.31 | liable | sweet |
| 02:31.34 | disasm | liable: thanks for your help! |
| 02:31.41 | liable | you're welcome |
| 02:31.59 | poonj | hey guys, I'm a bit confused. I'm trying to setup TLS in postfix. Right now, I'm generating a private key and a CSR and having CaCert.org sign my certificate. In postfix, I also need the Certificate Authority's key file. Do I use the public key? |
| 02:32.15 | poonj | or the key that they distribute for people to use? |
| 02:32.20 | disasm | now I just need to figure out how to get wifidog to cross-compile for openwrt, but that's not an issue for this channel ;-) |
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| 02:54.41 | Nei | I've just been called for help on a random debian sarge system |
| 02:54.50 | Nei | and I'm having a strange problem... ssh is missing |
| 02:55.12 | Nei | "No candidate version found for openssh-server" |
| 02:55.12 | epsilon | hacked? |
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| 02:55.23 | liable | its ssh in sarge |
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| 02:55.32 | liable | or sshd, dont remember |
| 02:55.48 | Nei | doh lets try that |
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| 02:56.29 | liable | its usually installed though |
| 02:57.10 | heh_v_water | okay so now I have the desktop all set up with fluxbox using Xvesa and gpsdrive and kismet rox and a few others like joe and less installed it is 366MB total.. once again Debian/Linux totally freekin amazes me |
| 02:58.31 | epsilon | just package "ssh" should do it |
| 02:59.42 | sigma957 | heh_v_water: Debian is the best, what can I say! |
| 03:00.53 | heh_v_water | sigma957, undoubtedly |
| 03:01.15 | heh_v_water | now to fatten it up with some wifi drivers |
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| 03:07.06 | heh_v_water | what is the proper way to clean out the /usr/src directory after I'm finished building modules |
| 03:07.40 | ram_einstein | heh_v_water: in /usr/src/linux, I think make clean or make distproper |
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| 03:08.51 | heh_v_water | I need to clarify.. I am figuring after I build my modules I could get away with uninstalling headers etc, then deleting all files and directories withing the directory.. |
| 03:09.03 | heh_v_water | the /usr/src directory that is |
| 03:09.16 | ram_einstein | heh_v_water: don't do that, it's not like you're running out of space |
| 03:09.24 | ram_einstein | just make clean or make mrproper |
| 03:09.28 | ram_einstein | not distproper, sorry |
| 03:09.37 | heh_v_water | I am building on ultra low space |
| 03:09.39 | heh_v_water | 512MB |
| 03:10.11 | heh_v_water | well I have a few GB but I want to keep the entire system under 521MB |
| 03:10.15 | heh_v_water | 512 |
| 03:10.26 | ram_einstein | OMG |
| 03:10.36 | ram_einstein | heh_v_water: you better remove the kernel-headers then |
| 03:10.45 | heh_v_water | definately |
| 03:11.06 | pearl | got anyone a konica revio C2 working on debian in webcam mode? |
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| 03:11.47 | ram_einstein | heh_v_water: and linux-sources if you downloaded it |
| 03:12.30 | heh_v_water | I still have to figure out how to write a script to fire up Xvesa with fluxbox on boot too, i can start it from the prompt tho |
| 03:13.44 | heh_v_water | I would imagine i could purge module-assistant and build-essential when I'm done as well... |
| 03:14.06 | heh_v_water | gcc etc etc |
| 03:14.06 | ram_einstein | heh_v_water: hmm.. yes, I think that's safw |
| 03:14.12 | ram_einstein | just check the depenedencies |
| 03:14.27 | tenchy | hello friends, wanted to ask to him that I must do if I am connected to a radio network but I need the valued IP |
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| 03:15.12 | clarissa | okay the mirror does have it :) |
| 03:15.14 | Ronin | tenchy: pardon? dont know about anyone else but i dont know what you're asking |
| 03:15.21 | clarissa | lol without framebuffer all is so big xD |
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| 03:15.48 | clarissa | just 344mb to upgrade? thats not much o.o" |
| 03:15.55 | zaher | hello |
| 03:16.30 | clarissa | zaher: hello ^^ |
| 03:16.43 | tenchy | ronin: the network this formed for opened access, I have signal force but I do not have direction IP, is some form to obtain the IP? |
| 03:16.55 | Ronin | k im still lost :) |
| 03:17.38 | zaher | will i get basic opengl acceleration if i install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' with ati radeon 9550? |
| 03:17.53 | clarissa | 11hours omg the speed goes down @.@ |
| 03:18.02 | clarissa | oh 22minutes :D |
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| 03:18.57 | tenchy | I appear connected wirelessly |
| 03:19.11 | jelly-home | clarissa: hey, you've switched networks. |
| 03:19.18 | clarissa | jelly-home: why? |
| 03:19.47 | clarissa | i hope my alt key doesnt get damage xD |
| 03:19.54 | jelly-home | clarissa: you were of oftc a bit ago, you're on freenode now. |
| 03:19.58 | jelly-home | on |
| 03:20.12 | clarissa | oooh |
| 03:20.19 | clarissa | yup i used debian.org server before |
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| 03:20.23 | clarissa | with x-chat2 |
| 03:20.26 | jelly-home | clarissa: So these folks don't have an idea what you're talking 'bout. ;-) |
| 03:20.34 | clarissa | now i connected with freenode via irssi |
| 03:20.45 | clarissa | jelly-home: ha ha rofl |
| 03:20.50 | clarissa | i am on same XD |
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| 03:20.58 | clarissa | you're the same too *giggle* XD |
| 03:21.20 | clarissa | but thanks for trying to make me fear xD |
| 03:21.43 | jelly-home | clarissa: I'm follow both. You moved 3 tabs right. ;-) |
| 03:21.50 | tenchy | some of you podria to help me, in wireless  network… I almost do not speak English |
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| 03:22.09 | mrgenixus | hello> |
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| 03:23.20 | mrgenixus | I'm trying to install gnome-applets and libgtop2-5 is blocking becuse the latest available version is 2.10 not 2.14 |
| 03:23.33 | mrgenixus | is there a work-around? |
| 03:24.08 | zaher | hello! can anyone tell me, will i get basic opengl acceleration if i install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' with ati radeon 9550? |
| 03:24.26 | clarissa | zaher: try it :) |
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| 03:26.08 | evilgeek | i do not believe so. |
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| 03:26.28 | evilgeek | i think you need to install a card-specific glx library. |
| 03:28.07 | zaher | i mean harware acceleration, not sofware emulation, wil i be able 2 get that? |
| 03:28.18 | jelly-home | zaher: 9550 is a r300, which has limited DRI support. I think you either need fglrx or the new r300 (http://r300.sf.net) |
| 03:29.11 | zaher | i've already tried fglrx, and i'm having problem with that |
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| 03:30.07 | zaher | after running any opengl application for about five minutes my system crashes |
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| 03:30.27 | zaher | the same is true any opengl xscreensaver |
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| 03:34.51 | mrgenixus | dpkg buildpkg |
| 03:35.53 | jelly-home | zaher: I suspect you'll have to get a dri snapshot from like I had to do for my intel card. I used instructions from http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-5bc0296170d3ffbabad940201aba6aa40c603f17 (obviously, replace i810 for r300 ;-) |
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| 03:37.42 | jelly-home | zaher: so, either the snapshots or libgl1-mesa-dri from experimental. |
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| 03:38.24 | dylan_ | Why is Debian called 'Debian GNU/Linux'? |
| 03:38.42 | cast | ...what else would it be called? |
| 03:39.01 | dylan_ | Debian Linux? |
| 03:39.09 | cast | because the OS is GNU and the kernel is Linux. There's Debian GNU/kFreeBSD too |
| 03:39.17 | cast | and Hurd. And NetBSD. |
| 03:39.18 | clarissa | dylan_: cause it is Debian under GNU rights with Linux what is the kernel |
| 03:39.34 | dylan_ | Could Torvalds have just used stock BSD? What would it be called then? |
| 03:39.38 | cast | at which point it becomes apparent how silly it is to call an OS solely by the kernel |
| 03:39.58 | ram_einstein | apart from xev, there was another nice ncurses application to capture keycodes. What was it? |
| 03:40.00 | dylan_ | Could I call the whole thing (regardless of kernel) GNU then? |
| 03:40.08 | clarissa | cast: linux is for real just the kernel alone all other things are packages |
| 03:40.24 | jelly-home | dylan_: you could call it Debian. ;-) |
| 03:40.29 | clarissa | the kernel is linux the packages will be loaded :) |
| 03:40.35 | clarissa | yes he could :D |
| 03:40.44 | unix_infidel | a girl! |
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| 03:41.12 | ram_einstein | s/was/is |
| 03:41.14 | cast | dylan_: you sure could. RMS wrote about this naming debate, you can check gnu.org |
| 03:41.26 | ram_einstein | apart from xev, there is another nice ncurses application to capture keycodes. What is it? |
| 03:41.28 | dylan_ | cast, i could call the whole thing GNU? |
| 03:41.34 | dylan_ | cast, even if it uses linux? |
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| 03:41.48 | cast | dylan_: just as rightfully as people call the whole thing linux, I don't see why not |
| 03:41.59 | ram_einstein | dylan_: or you could call it GNU/Linux like everyone else does |
| 03:42.11 | clarissa | GNU/Linux noooo |
| 03:42.15 | ram_einstein | dylan_: you could also use another kernel like the HURD and call it GNU/HURD |
| 03:42.16 | clarissa | thats everything |
| 03:42.18 | clarissa | but here is debian |
| 03:42.35 | cast | dylan_: likely what's going to happen is if you call it just GNU people will assume GNU/HURD |
| 03:42.47 | jelly-home | dylan_: read http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html |
| 03:42.57 | clarissa | gnu is an animal *g* |
| 03:43.04 | dylan_ | so if gnu/linux is correct, why doesn't everybody call it that? |
| 03:43.05 | clarissa | cow like xD |
| 03:43.18 | clarissa | dylan_: cause its the debian distribution |
| 03:43.21 | clarissa | then debian comes in front |
| 03:43.28 | Cybodog | how can I determine what device is eth2? |
| 03:43.30 | clarissa | debian packages and all that behind the kernel |
| 03:43.37 | ram_einstein | dylan_: because most people are still on lame systems and don't know what Linux is? |
| 03:43.37 | zaher | i'm now downloading libgl1-mesa-dri now, lets hope it works |
| 03:43.57 | jelly-home | dylan_: what country are you from? |
| 03:43.59 | cast | dylan_: not sure. it's just how it turned out. |
| 03:44.03 | ram_einstein | people who don't know what linux is call GNU/Linux "linux", people who do don't do that |
| 03:44.05 | dylan_ | The United States of America! |
| 03:44.18 | jelly-home | dylan_: ahh, but do you always use the full term? |
| 03:44.30 | clarissa | first [grub/lilo] then [Linux/HURD kernel] then [Packages and software |
| 03:44.39 | clarissa | and packages and software here is debian :) |
| 03:44.44 | dylan_ | jelly-home, yes ... i personally use gnu/linux |
| 03:44.49 | clarissa | cause the team who made that named it debian ^^ |
| 03:45.11 | dylan_ | Cybodog, is incorrect |
| 03:45.22 | jelly-home | dylan_: or do you sometimes just say "America", and referer to "Americans" when you really mean "citizens of USA"? |
| 03:45.27 | Cybodog | how can I be incorrect, it is what I like |
| 03:45.29 | Cybodog | :) |
| 03:45.31 | clarissa | Cybodog: aware the GNU can HURD you xD its bigger :p |
| 03:45.54 | dylan_ | jelly-home, i say USA or America, or US |
| 03:46.06 | dylan_ | jelly-home, but its not like saying GNU/Linux. |
| 03:46.07 | Cybodog | canadians are americans |
| 03:46.12 | Cybodog | mexicans are americans |
| 03:46.23 | clarissa | no americans arend americans o.o |
| 03:46.28 | clarissa | americans are settlers from england |
| 03:46.35 | jelly-home | dylan_: it's exactly like saying Debian for "Debian GNU/Linux". |
| 03:46.36 | clarissa | native americans are americans ^^ |
| 03:46.48 | orge | no way to uninstall Gnome env. completely huh? |
| 03:46.53 | Nei | as if the englishmen had left any natives |
| 03:46.59 | cast | orge: sure there is |
| 03:47.01 | Cybodog | I was born in america, does that not make me native? |
| 03:47.11 | clarissa | Cybodog: no |
| 03:47.17 | clarissa | native american is with birds on head :3 |
| 03:47.22 | clarissa | feathers ^^ |
| 03:47.31 | clarissa | you know what i mean xD |
| 03:47.34 | clarissa | indians ^.^ |
| 03:47.37 | orge | i mean not Gnome, openoffice |
| 03:47.40 | simonrvn | Cybodog: no |
| 03:47.42 | Cybodog | oh, you mean asian americans |
| 03:47.48 | cast | clarissa: try and cut down on the number of lines ;\ |
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| 03:48.02 | jelly-home | Cybodog: apparently you're only native if some of your dna has been in america before 1492. |
| 03:48.02 | dylan_ | somebody once said that if you call linux gnu/linux, then you should call america england/america. however, that in my mind is not true because america has full independence from england, whereas linux is not independent from GNU. |
| 03:48.16 | Cybodog | lol |
| 03:48.18 | simonrvn | clarissa: no we're not americans, nor canadians, nor mexicans |
| 03:48.22 | clarissa | loool noo xD ah okay cast ^^ i see what you meaned :) the problem is that i dont know when comes a new thing to answer for but that above you're right i'm sorry ,_, |
| 03:48.40 | simonrvn | before 1000 |
| 03:48.48 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 03:48.50 | jelly-home | dylan_: take it up with RMS. This is not a Debian specific issue. |
| 03:49.13 | Cybodog | hmmm, the single oldest bones discovered in north americas are of caucasians. I want my native land back |
| 03:49.38 | Cybodog | Debian named Debian, so it is called Debian |
| 03:49.42 | cast | jelly-home: well to be fair. debian agrees with RMS. notice the manage says gnu/linux and most other major distros just say linux |
| 03:49.49 | simonrvn | that study is considered faulty |
| 03:49.54 | cast | doh. mainpage* |
| 03:50.01 | simonrvn | debian == deb + ian |
| 03:50.16 | jelly-home | cast: I know, but it isn't specific to debian and this is a support channel, not advocacy. |
| 03:50.20 | Cybodog | ahhh, you are of course right simonrvn |
| 03:51.26 | Cybodog | now, enough sillyness, how do I find out what device is eth2? |
| 03:51.43 | sid | I wonder if that guy Ian divorced his wife Debra |
| 03:51.57 | Cybodog | I suspect that either my (previously) unsoported wireless is now supported or my fireware is listed as a net device |
| 03:52.02 | jelly-home | Cybodog: the third one! [/me hides] |
| 03:52.04 | Cybodog | sid not |
| 03:52.16 | dylan_ | jelly-home, i have |
| 03:52.25 | dylan_ | jelly-home, he agrees with me, but im just out of my mind today |
| 03:52.42 | sid | Cybodog: I'm just going by the statistics. What is it... 1 out of 2 get divorced now? |
| 03:53.13 | Cybodog | sid he is still married last I read (like a month ago) and that statistic is faulty, btw |
| 03:53.25 | Cybodog | they count the people who get married more then once |
| 03:53.41 | sid | ahh, I see. |
| 03:53.44 | sid | That is faulty then. |
| 03:53.47 | Cybodog | of the people who only marry once, only about 25% get a devorce |
| 03:53.48 | sid | But it's still pretty damn high Cybodog |
| 03:54.00 | Cybodog | 75% stay married. |
| 03:54.13 | Cybodog | it is the other 25% that squew the stats |
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| 03:55.16 | Cybodog | one couple stay married, one couple devorce and remary, devorce, and wammo, one two thirds divorce |
| 03:55.43 | ec_ | what debian package can I install to get the standard c[pp] library reference? |
| 03:55.50 | ec_ | if there is such a compilation...? |
| 03:56.14 | jelly-home | Cybodog: "ethtool -i eth1" tells me that device uses the "ipw2200" driver, so I know it's the wireless. |
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| 03:56.28 | Cybodog | cool, jelly-home I will try ith |
| 03:56.29 | Cybodog | it |
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| 03:57.06 | emdash | how do you change the tab width in a unix shell? is there an environment variable? |
| 03:57.07 | jelly-home | Cybodog: lshw is nice too when you don't know what hardware you have. |
| 03:57.22 | Cybodog | I know, |
| 03:57.47 | Cybodog | I know what I have, it seems that NATIVE support is now gendered for bcm43xx |
| 03:58.04 | Cybodog | bcm43xx is I suposed the broadcome wireless |
| 03:58.08 | sid | ec_: /join #gcc |
| 03:58.17 | jelly-home | Cybodog: that was recently added to kernel, I think. |
| 03:58.29 | jelly-home | Cybodog: maybe 2.6.17. |
| 03:58.46 | Cybodog | 2.6.17 is what I am running, I am suprised |
| 03:58.54 | Cybodog | now I don't need my madwifi? |
| 03:59.01 | ec_ | sid: they would have more experience with Debian packaging? |
| 03:59.49 | sid | ec_: no; but they will will have more experience with your question. And many of them user debian. ec_ also no one is answering you, so I thought I would suggest an alternative channel for you. |
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| 04:00.03 | ec_ | ok, thanks |
| 04:00.04 | apt-into2 | "Debian Day" comming soon |
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| 04:01.21 | apt-into2 | anniversary debian -> 16-08-06 :) |
| 04:02.09 | jelly-home | So how old is the child? |
| 04:04.06 | simonrvn | i'd suggest an update to 2.6.17.4 for the CVE security alert |
| 04:04.20 | Hoxzer | Would you guys appertice guys who run around and draw graffitti about debian? |
| 04:04.48 | clarissa | Hoxzer: rofl <.< |
| 04:05.09 | jelly-home | I don't know what appertice means, but I know about apprehend |
| 04:05.14 | Hoxzer | >.> just an idea |
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| 04:07.36 | Hoxzer | appreciate lol |
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| 04:16.26 | stoned | oh man |
| 04:16.37 | stoned | I just has some of the BEST fucking hot wings EVER |
| 04:16.55 | stoned | its not goona be so good when it comes out though... |
| 04:16.57 | cast | Hoxzer: probably. depends what they tagged, though |
| 04:17.03 | stoned | but.. it was awesome nonetheless |
| 04:17.04 | stoned | :D |
| 04:17.06 | Hoxzer | :P it was joke |
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| 04:18.20 | Hoxzer | am I Humoristic |
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| 04:20.44 | chowmeined | how can i clear the screen on logout? |
| 04:21.08 | chowmeined | I mean everything even if I do shift PgUP |
| 04:21.35 | slushpupie | chowmeined: on most systems if you switch to a different VT and back the buffer is cleared |
| 04:21.52 | chowmeined | ok , is there a way I can do this automatically? |
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| 04:22.01 | nile | chowmeined, add clear_console to ~/.bash_logout |
| 04:22.20 | slushpupie | nile: does that clear the video buffer too? |
| 04:22.32 | nile | chowmeined, see the /etc/skel/.bash_logout example |
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| 04:22.56 | nile | just tried it - it does |
| 04:23.09 | chowmeined | is clear_console supposed to be a command? |
| 04:23.10 | slushpupie | cool, Ill have to use that |
| 04:24.34 | nile | chowmeined, look in /etc/skel/.bash_logout |
| 04:24.37 | cast | anyone have any ideas when etch will be frozen? |
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| 04:24.45 | chowmeined | i dont have an /etc/skel/.bash_logout |
| 04:24.49 | chowmeined | /etc/skel/ is empty |
| 04:24.50 | sid | cast: in november? |
| 04:25.03 | Cybodog | found somthing else out, gnome from sid supports automounting for thumbdrives |
| 04:25.20 | nile | cast, the only example you'll get is "when it's ready" :) |
| 04:25.22 | nile | s/example/answer |
| 04:25.22 | nile | chowmeined, I'll post it for you, hold on |
| 04:25.23 | sid | cast: Just pay attention to the DWN and they'll hint about it |
| 04:25.53 | nile | chowmeined, http://deadbox.ath.cx/.bash_logout |
| 04:26.02 | nile | Cybodog, heck yeah ;) |
| 04:26.22 | chowmeined | Thanks |
| 04:26.32 | nile | sure thing! |
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| 04:26.55 | Cybodog | what a night, broadcom wireless is supported and now automount |
| 04:26.59 | chowmeined | oh i dont have clear_console |
| 04:27.09 | chowmeined | and can this be applied to every user? |
| 04:28.46 | nile | chowmeined, er, what debian are you running? |
| 04:28.57 | nile | it's in the bash package in testing |
| 04:29.06 | chowmeined | ok |
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| 04:32.48 | Cybodog | well, mabye not broadcom support, it is seen as a nic, but I can't seem to bring up my wireless with it. |
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| 04:36.33 | damosu | La sangre derramada no será negociada. |
| 04:36.34 | damosu | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.42 | damosu | xD |
| 04:36.44 | damosu | sorry |
| 04:37.22 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've a borderless capable printer, but how do i print images in borderless mode in debian ? the printer's manufacturer is HP |
| 04:40.16 | dondelelcaro | MsgToThePpl: where it clips is purely a function of the printer. There's nothing keeping normal postscript from printing full bleed. |
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| 04:56.47 | mithro | hi! how does one find people who are willing to help you package your applications for debian? I've been trying to package it myself, but my skills and knowledge are not up to it |
| 04:57.37 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 04:57.37 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
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| 04:57.55 | t3zuk4 | holass... |
| 04:58.00 | t3zuk4 | alguien que me pueda ayudar |
| 04:58.01 | t3zuk4 | ? |
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| 04:58.06 | abrotman | mithro: you can submit an RFP |
| 04:58.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:58.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:58.15 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 04:58.15 | dpkg | from memory, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 04:59.07 | mithro | abrotman: i belive that my application will need a few changes before it can be sucessfully packaged (IE change where it looks for certain things), so I would like to be sure it's packageable before releaseing |
| 04:59.27 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 04:59.28 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 04:59.31 | wireddd | hmm, something electric just burned up in here but I can't figure out what it is... everything seems to be working fine, but I can smell it |
| 04:59.43 | abrotman | wireddd: it was your vibrator |
| 05:00.39 | abrotman | clarissa: huh? |
| 05:01.05 | wireddd | what? |
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| 05:01.13 | MsgToThePpl | dondelelcaro> i mean in redmond'os thy hp toolkit as an opton "Borderless printing" that enabled let me print full page; i don't see such a thing on linux'printer settings that's all ; it's just automatic when image size reaches page size ? |
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| 05:02.12 | fusion | hello, can anyone assist me? i'm trying to move my disk around so that the swap partition is in the first part of the drive. is this possible to do live? |
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| 05:02.35 | Nopalin | hey, how can i install remote desktop and its front-end ? |
| 05:03.01 | abrotman | !info rdesktop sarge |
| 05:03.08 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 92 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
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| 05:04.25 | Nopalin | i've already installed rdesktop, but front-end doesn't apper :s |
| 05:05.49 | fusion | how might i find the MAC address of an ethernet card? |
| 05:05.57 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 05:06.27 | fusion | thanks |
| 05:07.33 | mithro | How should I do a RFP if there are multiple libraries etc which need to be packages before the real thing can be packaged? |
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| 05:08.51 | mithro | do I RFP only the main object, or should I RFP each component? |
| 05:09.47 | fusion | how might i use dd to write an .img to the hard drive? |
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| 05:11.53 | Nopalin | thanks abrotman |
| 05:12.16 | stew | mithro: one rfp per source package, so if multiple components are built from the same .tar.gz then only file one rfp |
| 05:12.54 | mithro | stew: we release both a "self contained" package and a the components in seperate packages |
| 05:13.01 | stew | fusion: "cp /path/to.img /dev/hdxx" where hdxx is the drive or partition, or "dd if=/path/to.img of=/dev/hdxx" |
| 05:13.38 | fusion | ah thanks |
| 05:13.47 | stew | mithro: i'd file one rfp and let the eventual packager decide |
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| 05:14.52 | topa_ | anyone here on a dual core pc ? |
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| 05:15.00 | topa_ | I need to know if I can use a SMP kernel on a dual core cpu based machine |
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| 05:15.58 | mithro | hrm, reportbug seems to be stuck :/ |
| 05:16.32 | mithro | Querying Debian BTS for reports on wnpp (source)... |
| 05:16.45 | superlinux | hi. my client mechine to samba is win2000 and whenever I try to make this mechine join the domain it always complains that "user could not be found" while there is a user, which is the one I am trying to login through it. what could be the problem? |
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| 05:17.43 | tmb | in order to upgrade to GTK+2.0 would i have to change my dist from stable to unstable? |
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| 05:18.29 | tmb | it says i have 1.3.7 right now |
| 05:18.44 | Thunderguy | I really have issues, but first off, How do I write a new xorg.conf? I mean, where is the example config? |
| 05:19.06 | Thunderguy | Or is there a way to force dpkg into writing a new xorg-config for me? |
| 05:19.33 | fusion | dpkg-reconfigure xorg ? something like that |
| 05:21.07 | cafuego | dpkg-reconfgure xserver-xorg |
| 05:21.20 | topa_ | Thunderguy dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 05:25.06 | norwak | during boot, i get msg "/usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting/reloading". but when i try to del the file, there is no such file. what's wrong? |
| 05:25.31 | cast | you mean you try to delete /usr/sbin/apache? |
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| 05:25.48 | norwak | cast: yeh. |
| 05:25.50 | Thunderguy | topa_: It closed out saying not configuring because file X has been customized or something |
| 05:25.57 | norwak | i am using apache2. |
| 05:26.42 | norwak | after boot-up, when i check the processes, there are 6 apache2 processes. what is going on? |
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| 05:27.07 | topa_ | Thunderguy that is a common problem, there was an option -phigh shich could override I gusss , try that |
| 05:27.14 | topa_ | Thunderguy dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 05:27.34 | cast | norwak: seems weird. whereis the apache2 executable? |
| 05:28.09 | Thunderguy | topa_: eh that didn't work |
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| 05:29.44 | norwak | cast: there is one at /usr/sbin |
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| 05:35.32 | webamtr | hi, i've a problem : in kopete i see my image (webcam captured) mirrored; fixable ? |
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| 05:39.26 | chowmeined | why is this? every time I boot it asks for root password for maintenance |
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| 05:41.15 | YouCeyE | hello.. i am getting this cpu overload error with via sound cards with arts in kde |
| 05:41.18 | YouCeyE | using debian |
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| 05:42.05 | rhys | found osmething really cool |
| 05:42.07 | rhys | not really cook |
| 05:42.09 | rhys | cool |
| 05:42.11 | rhys | but cool enough |
| 05:42.13 | rhys | take about a page worth of random text |
| 05:42.17 | rhys | paste it into google |
| 05:42.27 | rhys | and they havnt changed the page |
| 05:42.29 | rhys | its -old- |
| 05:42.35 | rhys | like, google was created old |
| 05:42.36 | rhys | :d |
| 05:42.42 | rhys | sorry. |
| 05:42.45 | rhys | just thought that was cool |
| 05:43.30 | topa_ | chowmeined you might be booting in single mode |
| 05:43.45 | topa_ | chowmeined make sure you are not passing the 'single' paramter in grub |
| 05:43.54 | chowmeined | oh ill go check |
| 05:44.04 | cast | rhys: dude, less lines. more information per line. |
| 05:44.22 | evilgeek | i just pasted a page of war and peace and it returned results. |
| 05:44.53 | Thunderguy | How do I make it write a new xorg.conf? |
| 05:45.07 | rhys | cast, sorry. bit on the caffinneee |
| 05:45.08 | Thunderguy | I tried apt-get install --reinstall and dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:45.55 | rhys | evilgeek, try typing gibberish sak -2013#!@%$!, copy, then just hold ctrl+v down for a half minute. maybe its mine..i use opera, so i type in g ctrl+v |
| 05:46.10 | rhys | and i get "Error 400" only a really old page |
| 05:46.27 | rhys | with all that long paste. |
| 05:46.28 | rhys | and it works |
| 05:49.50 | rhys | http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a27f6a43de.jpg |
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| 05:51.18 | evilgeek | rhys: w3m appears to limit the amount of text inserted in that field. |
| 05:51.21 | zaher | ok i downloaded the libgl1-mesa-dri for my r300 |
| 05:51.38 | chowmeined | there is no package |
| 05:51.40 | rhys | evilgeek, opera doesnt. |
| 05:51.42 | zaher | now how do i enable opengl hardware acceleraton? |
| 05:52.36 | zaher | plaese help me |
| 05:52.53 | chowmeined | where is the tool to clear scroll buffer on logout |
| 05:52.54 | chowmeined | ? |
| 05:53.18 | webamtr | spca5xx allows parameter to mirror the image ? |
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| 05:56.18 | icebit | hi all |
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| 05:59.26 | fusion | hm |
| 05:59.36 | fusion | is there another way to reboot a remote server? i did reboot at the prompt |
| 05:59.39 | chowmeined | isnt there a way to clear the scroll buffer? |
| 05:59.42 | fusion | it's been over an hour now |
| 05:59.44 | fusion | its just hanging |
| 05:59.44 | fusion | lol |
| 05:59.50 | chowmeined | i hate how people can see what ive done after i log out by doing shift PgUp |
| 05:59.51 | fusion | tried logging in, just get refused |
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| 06:02.43 | evilgeek | clange terminals a couple of times. |
| 06:03.04 | evilgeek | s/l/h/p |
| 06:03.16 | fusion | via ssh? |
| 06:03.24 | chowmeined | change terminals? |
| 06:03.33 | chowmeined | i dont have time to change everybody's terminals |
| 06:03.50 | evilgeek | chowmeined: alt-f2 alt-f1. |
| 06:03.54 | superlinux | who is excellent in samba? |
| 06:04.24 | chowmeined | can i do that in a script? |
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| 06:09.42 | orge | is there anyway to make 'xterm' transparent? |
| 06:09.58 | cast | chowmeined: switch to a different tty and back, and shiftpgup wont work. least on my box :> |
| 06:10.19 | chowmeined | ok now how will i do that on 20 computers? |
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| 06:11.56 | harmless | hi folks, has anyone set up lirc using the deb packages? |
| 06:12.23 | harmless | it seems i have to build the lirc-modules-source modules, but the README in it doesn't make sense |
| 06:13.01 | chowmeined | i guess there is no way |
| 06:13.07 | chowmeined | ive been searching on google for a while |
| 06:13.24 | harmless | chowmeined, what are you trying to do? |
| 06:13.41 | chowmeined | i just want to clear the scroll history when people logout |
| 06:13.49 | chowmeined | you know.. when you go shift PgUP |
| 06:14.12 | chowmeined | there must be some way to put that into a script |
| 06:14.28 | harmless | oh |
| 06:14.36 | harmless | on a virtual terminal or in like an xterm? |
| 06:14.43 | chowmeined | virtual terminal |
| 06:15.00 | harmless | huh, i thought it did that already |
| 06:15.20 | chowmeined | it clears.. but you can still scroll up |
| 06:15.24 | harmless | it'd be in the docs in the kernel tree |
| 06:15.26 | chowmeined | ive tried, reset, clear |
| 06:15.32 | chowmeined | and a bunch of other things |
| 06:15.41 | harmless | yeah, those won't affect the scrollback buffer |
| 06:16.15 | harmless | hmm |
| 06:16.21 | harmless | rebootage, bye :) |
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| 06:16.51 | topa_ | any idea how to get suspend working ? |
| 06:17.06 | topa_ | apm -s complaints that there is no apm support in kernel |
| 06:17.19 | topa_ | but this is a stock kernel |
| 06:17.21 | evilgeek | chvt |
| 06:17.39 | liable | topa_: modprobe -l |grep apm |
| 06:17.46 | liable | topa_: or check the .config |
| 06:19.23 | mithro | anyone know why reportbug is stopping at "Querying Debian BTS for reports on wnpp (source)..." ? |
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| 06:20.46 | [nige] | hi all, i have s illy question, how do i restart iptable rules? |
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| 06:22.27 | chowmeined | restart? |
| 06:24.22 | cast | [nige]: you mean clear the chains? |
| 06:24.31 | [nige] | yes |
| 06:24.32 | cast | [nige]: /etc/init.d/iptables help |
| 06:24.34 | [nige] | well no |
| 06:24.41 | [nige] | i have made a change now i want the change to take affect |
| 06:24.46 | cast | oh. |
| 06:24.50 | [nige] | or does it do that when i put it in |
| 06:24.50 | [nige] | ? |
| 06:24.56 | cast | changes made with iptables cmd are instant |
| 06:25.16 | cast | changes made to say, firehol.conf, would require you to restart firehol |
| 06:25.42 | [nige] | ahh cool |
| 06:25.56 | [nige] | so if i did an iptables-restore /iptables.rules it would be instant then |
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| 06:27.39 | cast | never used iptables-save and -restore scripts. but if you're not sure just run iptables -L and have a look |
| 06:30.43 | Cybodog | if I dont want eth2 to be brought up or queried at boot, what do I need in /etc/network/interfaces? noauto eth2 etc? |
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| 06:32.56 | crazy_penguin | good morning to all! |
| 06:34.25 | fusion | bad morning :< |
| 06:35.03 | cast | Cybodog: umm. what does man interfaces say? maybe if you just ditch the auto |
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| 06:36.15 | Cybodog | cast looking, it gives examples in /usr/share/doc/interfaces, reading those now |
| 06:36.47 | liable | Cybodog: just dont have the auto ethX line\ |
| 06:37.54 | Cybodog | liable, as in lose the auto, or lose the entire stanza? |
| 06:38.09 | Cybodog | liable, or lose just that line? |
| 06:38.32 | liable | just the auto line, just comment will do |
| 06:39.21 | Cybodog | testing now |
| 06:40.29 | Cybodog | looks like that was the ticket liable |
| 06:40.40 | Cybodog | ahh spoke to soon |
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| 06:41.08 | Cybodog | dhcpdiscover on eth2 yada yada netowrk is down |
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| 06:42.42 | liable | how are you restarting networking? |
| 06:43.00 | Cybodog | I went all the way down on that |
| 06:43.42 | liable | well, te init.d script should only call the ifaces with an auto stanza, paste your file somewhere |
| 06:44.03 | Cybodog | I commented out all the eth2 stanzas and that worked |
| 06:44.23 | Cybodog | eth2 is broadcom, and I have to look up where to get the firmware from and where to put it. |
| 06:45.05 | Cybodog | liable, appreciate it. |
| 06:45.17 | liable | np |
| 06:45.36 | Cybodog | thought for sure your suggestion would work though |
| 06:45.49 | Cybodog | I realy must keep notes |
| 06:46.05 | Cybodog | I stub my toes on the same things once every six months to a year |
| 06:46.50 | Cybodog | sure I can figure out apt issues and dpkg stuckness, but setting up a system from go, I find I forgot how I did it last time. |
| 06:47.16 | liable | yup, i usually like to have a copy of my old /etc handy :) |
| 06:47.33 | Cybodog | I have started a blog, just for that. |
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| 06:48.03 | Cybodog | and sure enough, added a hardrive and mb/new proc to wifes 2K box and grub bit it. |
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| 06:48.31 | Cybodog | but I had a howto set up grub on my blog. saved much time |
| 06:48.51 | Cybodog | grabbed a live cd, chroot, ran grub |
| 06:49.45 | fusion | how can i force a reboot? |
| 06:49.51 | Cybodog | init 0 |
| 06:49.59 | fusion | thanks |
| 06:50.02 | Cybodog | as root |
| 06:50.05 | fusion | /dev/sda1 732G 731G 0 100% / |
| 06:50.09 | fusion | doesnt look very good |
| 06:50.17 | fusion | considering the total size of the hdd is 120GB |
| 06:50.39 | Cybodog | 3rd dimension drive? |
| 06:50.43 | fusion | lol |
| 06:50.47 | Cybodog | like the Tarus? |
| 06:50.59 | Cybodog | what file system? |
| 06:51.04 | fusion | ext3 |
| 06:51.09 | fusion | and um |
| 06:51.14 | fusion | the init 0 didnt work lol |
| 06:51.25 | Cybodog | what? |
| 06:51.37 | Cybodog | where is your os? |
| 06:51.51 | fusion | its there |
| 06:51.54 | fusion | the command registers |
| 06:51.54 | fusion | but |
| 06:51.57 | fusion | nothing happens |
| 06:51.58 | Cybodog | not any more |
| 06:52.03 | fusion | rofl |
| 06:52.11 | fusion | its not major, only just got it |
| 06:52.14 | fusion | just a pain in the ass |
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| 06:52.43 | Cybodog | fusion, what happend? |
| 06:52.49 | fusion | no idea |
| 06:52.57 | fusion | its a dedicated server |
| 06:53.05 | fusion | hardware issues most likely |
| 06:53.22 | Cybodog | raid? |
| 06:54.15 | fusion | nah |
| 06:54.16 | fusion | just norm |
| 06:54.19 | fusion | SCSI |
| 06:54.29 | Cybodog | what make of server? |
| 06:54.30 | fusion | its scheduled for a reinstall etc anyway |
| 06:54.33 | fusion | no idea |
| 06:54.36 | fusion | i just rent it |
| 06:54.44 | fusion | its got a p4 cpu |
| 06:54.59 | Cybodog | man e2fsck ? |
| 06:56.16 | fusion | doesnt work |
| 06:56.25 | Cybodog | I don't know dude |
| 06:56.33 | fusion | rofl doesnt matter |
| 06:56.35 | Cybodog | ls / |
| 06:56.37 | fusion | it'll get a clean install |
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| 06:56.40 | fusion | yeah that freezes |
| 06:56.44 | fusion | just hangs |
| 06:56.46 | Cybodog | nothing there |
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| 07:03.00 | Thunderguy | Hey I have a problem with something, my ATI driver wants libstdc++.so.5 but I have libstdc++.so.6, know what I can do about that? |
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| 07:04.24 | stranger_stone | i like gnome but i think is a litle unstable sometimes don`t? :\ |
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| 07:07.13 | insta` | if one industrious soul was to try and send a file from one debian machine to another, via a null-modem cable, without the target machine having any *modem file-transfer applications ... how might he do it? USB, CDROM, and ethernet are all out of the question, it has to be nullmodem. |
| 07:07.21 | rockstar_ | Anyone have a good e17 apt source? I am having a hard time finding one. |
| 07:07.59 | rockstar_ | I've found some ubuntu sources, but I'm not so comfortable with that. |
| 07:10.14 | cast | rockstar_: tell me when you find [a uptodate] one |
| 07:10.21 | liable | rockstar_: you can build debian packages from the cvs |
| 07:10.22 | Maakuth | insta`, hmmh.. cat file > /dev/ttyS0 and in another pc: cat /dev/ttyS0 > file |
| 07:10.30 | Maakuth | never tried.. but wouldn't that be logical |
| 07:10.37 | insta` | Maakuth: think it'd be binary safe? |
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| 07:10.54 | insta` | or should i uuencode the data before shipping it over |
| 07:11.32 | liable | rockstar_: they already have all the debian files in them |
| 07:11.33 | Maakuth | no idea |
| 07:11.33 | insta` | alright, i'll give it a shot ... thanks :) |
| 07:13.21 | rockstar_ | liable, I like the convenience of updates via apt though. That's a big seller for Debian to me. |
| 07:14.35 | rockstar_ | cast, I think I might've found one. |
| 07:14.38 | cast | hmm @ http://edevelop.org/debian/ |
| 07:14.50 | rockstar_ | Yea, that's the one I found |
| 07:15.47 | rockstar_ | Hm, seems the e17 source is corrupted... |
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| 07:15.49 | cast | 'You can download the sources and install them E17-updater 0.7 makes ir very easy.' |
| 07:15.56 | cast | maybe ill try that |
| 07:16.02 | cast | does cvs e17 compile? |
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| 07:16.19 | liable | yes |
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| 07:18.05 | rockstar_ | *Heavy sigh* guess I'm compiling it... |
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| 07:21.49 | rockstar_ | Can I use e16 epplets with e17? |
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| 07:25.11 | cyzie | how do i block the IP of the user try to attemp multiple connection to my box via ssh? |
| 07:26.05 | rockstar_ | cyzie, like if someone is password guessing? |
| 07:26.06 | rockstar_ | Use iptables. |
| 07:26.56 | cyzie | rockstar_, yes, iptables but what rules ? im noob in iptables and i hope there is a GUI or web based that is much more layman term to help configure. |
| 07:28.47 | rockstar_ | cyzie, Hm, try apt-get install gnome-lokkit -- I use lokkit, which is ncurses (?) based because I don't use gnome... |
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| 07:29.24 | cyzie | rockstar_, i dont use gnome nor kde. im using xfce |
| 07:30.02 | mithro | how does one find out if your bug report was successfully added to the bugs database? |
| 07:31.00 | rockstar_ | cyzie, try apt-get install lokkit, take a look at that. |
| 07:31.14 | rockstar_ | mithro, have a bug #? |
| 07:32.05 | cyzie | rockstar_, does lokkit has internet connection sharing? currently im using firestarter but firestarter is not my candidate |
| 07:32.38 | mithro | rockstar_: nope, i just submitted a wpn using reportbug |
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| 07:33.14 | rockstar_ | mithro, never used reportbug, sorry. |
| 07:33.50 | mithro | rockstar_: how else does one submit a bug? |
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| 07:34.31 | Birmaan | morning |
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| 07:37.34 | mike | moin |
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| 07:38.57 | mike | is this channel english oder in deutsch? |
| 07:40.06 | cyzie | rockstar_, does lokkit has internet connection sharing? currently im using firestarter which has inet connection sharing but firestarter is not my candidate |
| 07:40.13 | rockstar_ | It's still night time here... |
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| 07:40.25 | rockstar_ | cyzie, I know nothing about firestarter... |
| 07:40.46 | cyzie | rockstar_, nvm |
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| 07:40.51 | wols | !de |
| 07:40.51 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.freenode.net und irc.oftc.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on freenode and irc.oftc.net) |
| 07:40.54 | rockstar_ | ICS? Don't really get that at all. You mean it's acting as a gateway? |
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| 07:41.07 | korst3n | !tr |
| 07:41.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 07:41.18 | mike | hehe |
| 07:41.23 | rockstar_ | Anyone know how I can compile a deb package from source. I haven't done it in so long, I forgot. |
| 07:42.02 | rockstar_ | Nevermind, remembered... |
| 07:42.15 | mike | the debian secutity sucks |
| 07:43.04 | mike | no updates a long time ... |
| 07:44.09 | rockstar_ | mike, watch it. I have yet to have a major security issue with debian... And I have it on at least 25 systems, most visible to the world. If there are problems, it's usually my fault. |
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| 07:45.23 | streuner | !fuck mike |
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| 07:45.46 | liable | cyzie: check the debian admin site, theres a nice little howto for blocking after a certain number of attempts |
| 07:45.48 | wols | does not work? dpkg has standards? |
| 07:46.14 | cyzie | liable, where is it? can you give me the URL please? |
| 07:46.41 | liable | cyzie: just go to the site and search for ssh articles |
| 07:46.52 | cyzie | www.debian.org? |
| 07:47.19 | mike | 09:45 < streuner> !fuck mike; is this all you can say? thats no answer for the problem, or? |
| 07:47.34 | liable | cyzie: debian-administration.org |
| 07:47.42 | streuner | mike: what's the real issue? |
| 07:47.45 | liable | cyzie: its a wiki sorta thing |
| 07:48.08 | cyzie | liable, ohh okay. checking. thanks |
| 07:48.40 | mike | streuner, 09:43 < mike> no updates a long time ... |
| 07:49.24 | streuner | mike: subscribe to debian-security and ask there |
| 07:49.25 | wols | laters update was 2 days ago. this is "a long time"? |
| 07:49.31 | mike | updates == security updates |
| 07:49.34 | wols | *latest |
| 07:49.40 | mike | k |
| 07:49.56 | wols | http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1105 |
| 07:50.40 | streuner | mike: if you haven't those packages installed no updates are needed :-) |
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| 07:53.45 | cyzie | got it! liable http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
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| 07:55.29 | streuner | mike: so it could be possible that you don't get any updates 6 months or ever (which is almost impossible), as long as your packages aren't effected |
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| 07:56.12 | streuner | s/packages/packages installed on your box/ |
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| 07:57.00 | mike | %s/secure/unsercure/g :P |
| 07:57.09 | mike | bye |
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| 07:59.08 | rockstar_ | Alright, trying to create deb packages from source, have the debian/rules file, but dpkg-buildpackage isn't working. Anyone know another way of building the package? |
| 07:59.59 | cahoot | rockstar_: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 08:00.11 | roberto | Aye! |
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| 08:03.51 | morden | Hi, how can I write a little shell script that will get executed on boot-up? |
| 08:04.29 | streuner | read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 08:06.21 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 08:06.21 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 08:12.10 | cast | im up to ecore so fa |
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| 08:20.59 | mithro | is there somewhere I should CC a RFP? |
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| 08:21.45 | stew | mithro: no, unless you specify otherwise it gets CCed to debian-wnpp and debian-devel |
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| 08:23.02 | rockstar_ | Any suggestions on using Gnome themes with Enlightenment? Wondered if maybe I could theme gtk... |
| 08:24.36 | sid | rockstar_: Add dapper repositories to your sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install gnome; |
| 08:24.50 | cast | rockstar_: wee. in e17. kickass :> |
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| 08:26.00 | rockstar_ | cast, working on that right now actually... |
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| 08:28.42 | cast | i think mums going to like this :) |
| 08:29.20 | rockstar_ | cast, have you used entrance yet? My curiosity is piqued. |
| 08:29.55 | mithro | stew: how long does it normally take for a request to filter through? |
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| 08:30.59 | cast | nah not yet. so far installed the libs and only one app, e |
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| 08:32.52 | stew | mithro: how log does it take from the time to submit the bug until it shows up? |
| 08:32.57 | stew | mithro: is that what you are asking? |
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| 08:34.17 | mithro | stew: yeah, after I send an email, how long should i wait before thinking that the email hasn't gotten through? |
| 08:34.25 | stew | an hour |
| 08:34.26 | rockstar_ | cast, Got my e17 up just now with entrance. I think I just had an orgasm of the mind. |
| 08:35.28 | my007ms | what pkg that have snmpget |
| 08:36.12 | cast | rockstar_: lol. |
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| 08:36.32 | cast | rockstar_: please god let this be stable |
| 08:37.07 | rockstar_ | cast, Yea, I'm hoping that too. One thing I don't like is that it doesn't like my e16 config files much, and I had those tweaked SO much. I have to do that all over again. |
| 08:37.14 | stew | !dbugs 377462 |
| 08:37.17 | dpkg | #377462:W[wnpp] RFP: tpclient-pywx -- tpclient-pywx is a client for space empire building game framework Thousand Parsec (http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/). It is written in Python and uses the wxWidgets GUI.; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:18:02 UTC |
| 08:37.28 | stew | mithro: ^^ |
| 08:37.43 | mithro | oo... |
| 08:38.04 | mithro | now the question is, did I accidently submit it twice? |
| 08:38.57 | Gnea | so what's the bug? that it's written in python and wxwidgets? :P |
| 08:39.03 | mithro | oo, just got the response then |
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| 08:39.14 | mithro | Gnea: RFP - Request for Package |
| 08:39.20 | Gnea | oic |
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| 08:40.36 | cast | rockstar_: holly crap. when i minimise someones window in gaim their display pic comes up as the icon on the taskbar o_0 |
| 08:40.51 | mithro | stew: does the description I added look okay? |
| 08:41.42 | rockstar_ | Are you serious? Taskbar? Like, in engage? |
| 08:42.16 | cast | you know. where you minimise stuff too, its either called iBox or iBar in e17 |
| 08:42.38 | cast | i'm not sure what it is. maybe engage |
| 08:42.44 | rockstar_ | cast, are you sure it's not engage? |
| 08:43.26 | cast | no idea bro |
| 08:44.18 | rockstar_ | cast, found a good theme yet? I think I might install them all... |
| 08:44.58 | cast | haven't started looking. still with the default |
| 08:46.45 | cast | oops. e segfaulted. smooth though, hit f1 and it restarted and it's like nothing happened |
| 08:47.58 | rockstar_ | cast, did it return all your windows and everything? |
| 08:48.15 | cast | yip. like nothing happened. |
| 08:48.36 | cast | say as when you do a manual restart of e |
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| 08:51.55 | rockstar_ | cast, it's official! I don't know why I didn't do this sooner! This is great! |
| 08:52.05 | rockstar_ | All I need to do now is perfect Xgl! |
| 08:52.16 | cast | where does debian keep all its icons? |
| 08:52.45 | stoned | cast, /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps/icons etc. |
| 08:52.50 | mithro | stew: any ideas of the chances of getting somebody intrested in the RFP? There seem to be quite a few of them. |
| 08:52.54 | cast | thanks :> |
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| 08:57.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:57.20 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
| 08:57.32 | mne | hi ! can someone help me getting my prism2 wlan card to work ? since kernel 2.6.13 there is this new pcmcia system (instead of the old cardmgr). unfortunately, it doesn't work for my prism2 wlan card. I get no error messages either ;( getting some debug output would be pretty useful either |
| 08:58.13 | rockstar_ | mne, new pcmcia method? Hm, I'm running 2.6.17.3 and I didn't notice a change. |
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| 08:59.15 | phaedrus44 | !w32codecs |
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| 08:59.15 | dpkg | methinks w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about w32codecs that ad |
| 08:59.44 | wireddd | can anyone thats fammiliar with ndiswrapper tell me why 'iwlist wlan0 scan' returns empty results? its a belkin f5d6050 usb 802.11b adapter on sarge, and ndiswrapper has the driver loaded and the card recognised without errors. |
| 08:59.58 | cast | rockstar_: /join #e perhaps :> |
| 09:00.09 | mne | rockstar_, its used instead of cardmgr since kernel 2.6.13-rc1. |
| 09:00.53 | insmod | wireddd: what does iwconfig and ifconfig say |
| 09:00.56 | mne | rockstar_, it works well for my other pcmcia cards. but the prism2 card doesn't work. |
| 09:01.35 | fusion | anyone got screenshots of a dell ip kvm? |
| 09:01.40 | fusion | (running) |
| 09:02.03 | norwak | anything wrong with this repo ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch/main ? can't install mplayer fr it? |
| 09:02.17 | wireddd | the card shows up fine in both, but it doesn't seem to actually be connecting to anything |
| 09:02.22 | wireddd | or even trying |
| 09:02.49 | insmod | wireddd: does it say wlan0 |
| 09:02.54 | wireddd | yeah |
| 09:03.11 | insmod | wireddd: then ifup wlan0 |
| 09:03.28 | norwak | help. cannot install mplayer. Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch/main Packages |
| 09:03.30 | norwak | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.49 | wireddd | insmod, this is what I get... "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." |
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| 09:04.08 | mne | norwak, the repos moved. http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 09:04.24 | cahoot | norwak: it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 09:04.32 | insmod | wireddd: debian ? |
| 09:04.39 | norwak | now, which is which? |
| 09:04.39 | wireddd | sarge |
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| 09:05.04 | insmod | wireddd: then etc/network/interfaces is not set |
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| 09:05.07 | cahoot | norwak: it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (according to dpkg) |
| 09:05.20 | insmod | wireddd: then /etc/network/interfaces is not set |
| 09:05.20 | phaedrus44 | !w32codecs |
| 09:05.21 | dpkg | [w32codecs] a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about w32codecs that ad |
| 09:05.22 | norwak | cahoot: thks, i'll try it now. |
| 09:05.28 | robin_sz | bah, ok, so Sarge ... what magic do I need to do to install a non-prehistoric version of OpenOffice? |
| 09:05.30 | Timtow | if I wanna upgrade mysql-server, can't I just do apt-get install? and that will upgrade everything for me? |
| 09:05.38 | phaedrus44 | !marillat |
| 09:05.38 | dpkg | i guess marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 09:05.57 | phaedrus44 | !marillat.sarge |
| 09:05.57 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat.sarge is marillat's repository for sarge/stable. To add the repository, su root, cd /etc/apt and then: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" >>sources.list -OR- echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" >>sources.list ..... then apt-get update |
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| 09:06.52 | robin_sz | sigh .. I thought the entire planet use OO 2.0 now? no? |
| 09:07.06 | mne | i need help getting my prism2 pcmcia card working with (the pretty new) pcmciautils and udev. |
| 09:07.08 | Timtow | if I wanna upgrade mysql-server, can't I just do apt-get install? and that will upgrade everything for me? |
| 09:07.13 | cahoot | robin_sz: you long for monopoly? |
| 09:07.35 | robin_sz | cahoot, no, I just long for a more recent version of OO |
| 09:07.47 | robin_sz | I mean 1.1 .. ancient |
| 09:07.54 | mne | Timtow, should work |
| 09:08.02 | Timtow | should? sounds scary |
| 09:08.17 | cahoot | robin_sz: maybe OOO is backported to sarge |
| 09:08.19 | robin_sz | Timtow, less scary than might |
| 09:08.34 | Timtow | will it retain the databases? |
| 09:08.41 | Timtow | or SHOULD it reatin the databases? |
| 09:08.55 | robin_sz | Timtow, it MIGHT retain the db :) |
| 09:09.01 | Timtow | LOL |
| 09:09.03 | Timtow | thanks |
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| 09:09.12 | mne | Timtow, sure it will retain the databases. |
| 09:09.13 | wireddd | insmod, well ifup sends out dhcp requests, however the wireless card's radio seems to be turned off or something |
| 09:09.25 | robin_sz | Timtow, no reallly ir will keep them .. but anyway you SHOULD have backups |
| 09:09.31 | insmod | wireddd: then /etc/network/interfaces is not set |
| 09:09.48 | wireddd | insmod, I just added it |
| 09:10.05 | insmod | wireddd: correctly ? |
| 09:10.18 | wireddd | yeah, for dhcp |
| 09:10.36 | cahoot | robin_sz: seems it indeed is: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 09:10.45 | insmod | wireddd: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:10.55 | wireddd | yeag |
| 09:10.57 | robin_sz | cahoot, this si going to involve fiddling with te sources file isnt it? |
| 09:10.58 | wireddd | err yeah |
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| 09:11.10 | insmod | wireddd: says what |
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| 09:11.35 | cahoot | robin_sz: http://www.backports.org/instructions.html |
| 09:11.37 | HuK0B | hi I have problem with routing I have 2 networks 192.168.10.0/24 and 10.244.50.0 and 1 machines 1 that have vpn and masquerade 192.168.10.0/24 and other that have 2 ethernets one to first and 1 to other network I want people from first network to see other |
| 09:11.42 | HuK0B | I make on first comp ip route add 10.244.50.0/24 via 192.168.10.223 |
| 09:11.45 | bk | !maint wxwidgets2.6 |
| 09:11.51 | HuK0B | but when I ping from one computer that is from 192.168.10.0/24 network I can't ping 10.244.50.1 but I have ping to 10.244.50.1 fro second computer that must route between this nets |
| 09:11.57 | HuK0B | I set 1 to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 09:12.02 | HuK0B | what I have to do more? |
| 09:12.02 | wireddd | insmod, auto wlan0 |
| 09:12.02 | wireddd | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 09:12.42 | xk | whoever maintains wxwidgets 2.6 should be shot a million times for writing those build scripts. |
| 09:12.58 | xk | brain damage to the max. |
| 09:13.07 | wireddd | but thats besides the point because the wireless card isn't transmitting or recieving I am pretty certain |
| 09:13.14 | insmod | wireddd: pre-up grep -q ndiswrapper /proc/modules || modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 09:13.52 | cahoot | xk: why do you feel you have the right to insult people like this? |
| 09:14.38 | insmod | xk: then do it better |
| 09:14.58 | xk | insmod: 2.4's build script worked. 2.6 was altered so the version string could be altered easily. |
| 09:15.05 | wireddd | ndiswrapper is allready loaded and working |
| 09:15.08 | insmod | xk: i will be here tomorrow post the results |
| 09:15.10 | xk | but the sed expression dosen't even work. |
| 09:15.29 | insmod | wireddd: if down wlan0 |
| 09:15.31 | xk | why have the build scripts to generate all the debian/* files when they should be _static_ |
| 09:15.33 | insmod | wireddd: ifdown wlan0 |
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| 09:15.44 | insmod | wireddd: then ifup wlan0 |
| 09:16.31 | wireddd | it isn't up |
| 09:16.42 | xk | i have no idea how the package was built... but all the sed lines don't even work. |
| 09:16.46 | insmod | wireddd: ifdown wlan0 first |
| 09:17.23 | insmod | xk: good chance for you to figure this out then ah? |
| 09:17.37 | wireddd | insmos, yeah that gives me this... ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured |
| 09:17.48 | xk | i'll just do my usual package butchering - that works most of the time ;) |
| 09:18.31 | insmod | wireddd: ifconfig |
| 09:18.36 | wireddd | ifup wlan0 eventually fails when it can't get a dhcp request |
| 09:18.57 | insmod | wireddd: encripted? |
| 09:19.12 | insmod | wireddd: or essid ? |
| 09:19.39 | xk | heh. i have never gotten wireless to work properly at all. |
| 09:19.51 | insmod | wireddd: what does iwlist scan say |
| 09:20.18 | wireddd | insmod, no I think it is some kind of a driver issue, it returns no results when I scan |
| 09:20.25 | insmod | xk: then you never read enough or wanted it bad enough |
| 09:20.44 | insmod | wireddd: any lights on |
| 09:20.48 | wireddd | insmod, I have been at this for several hours... |
| 09:20.59 | xk | insmod: yeah but _how_ difficult must it be. |
| 09:21.05 | wireddd | yes the only light on the adapter is on |
| 09:21.19 | insmod | wireddd: any lights on |
| 09:21.41 | wireddd | but I think it is supposed to blink when it is rx/tx data |
| 09:21.41 | insmod | wireddd: lsmod |grep ndiswrapper |
| 09:22.27 | xk | hmm |
| 09:22.38 | xk | Symbol xf86PrintEDID from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o is unresolved! |
| 09:22.41 | xk | any reason I get that? |
| 09:22.51 | wireddd | its loaded |
| 09:24.13 | insmod | xk: the ati driver isn't loaded |
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| 09:24.45 | wireddd | here this is where ndiswrapper loaded the driver... wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:00:00:00:00:00 using driver bkusb.in_, configuration file 0D5C:A002.0.conf |
| 09:24.57 | xk | insmod: hmmm. could be right. lets hope you are right ;) |
| 09:25.06 | insmod | xk: I AM |
| 09:25.24 | wireddd | shouldn't that be the mac address where all of those 0's are? |
| 09:25.36 | xk | will try after compiling wxwidgets. |
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| 09:27.07 | insmod | wireddd: iwconfig? |
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| 09:28.03 | MuscleKid | is anyone here encountered after installing xfree86 and typing shutdown -r now in console makes your pc down? |
| 09:28.22 | xk | "pc down"? |
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| 09:28.40 | MuscleKid | yeah it doesnt boot up at all |
| 09:28.49 | insmod | MuscleKid: that is what that would do ya |
| 09:28.59 | MuscleKid | the monitor light is blinking |
| 09:29.02 | xk | insmod: no - it should reboot. |
| 09:29.18 | insmod | xk: ah yes -h |
| 09:29.36 | MuscleKid | i already tested my video card |
| 09:29.44 | MuscleKid | and still the monito light is blinking |
| 09:30.10 | wireddd | insmod, you want me to paste it in #flood? |
| 09:30.11 | insmod | MuscleKid: /sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now |
| 09:30.24 | xk | I think I used to have that issue. |
| 09:30.32 | MuscleKid | insmod: my pc is down |
| 09:30.42 | MuscleKid | insmod: im using my brother's pc |
| 09:30.43 | xk | basically try to reboot, and it wouldn't reset properly. |
| 09:30.52 | xk | and monitor light wouldn't stop blinking |
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| 09:31.21 | insmod | wireddd: sure |
| 09:32.08 | fortran01 | hi, what does dbg mean in debian packages (in the stable)? e.g. xserver-xfree86-dbg |
| 09:32.12 | wireddd | MuscleKid, try either turning the power off at your powersupply and waiting for 30 seconds or so, or pull the plug out and wait, then try turning it back on again |
| 09:32.31 | insmod | fortran01: dpkg ? |
| 09:32.38 | xk | fortran01: package compiled with debugging support. |
| 09:32.53 | fortran01 | ah, thank you xk |
| 09:32.58 | MuscleKid | ok ill try wireddd |
| 09:33.26 | wireddd | MuscleKid, I have a computer that does that sometimes, and that usually does the trick |
| 09:33.47 | xk | yeah, i think I had that problem when I had a different PSU |
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| 09:34.11 | wireddd | insmod, I pasted it in #flood |
| 09:34.13 | insmod | wireddd: there you go the ? |
| 09:34.18 | insmod | then |
| 09:34.30 | insmod | the answer is there |
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| 09:35.08 | wireddd | what? |
| 09:35.19 | eleusis | hello |
| 09:35.53 | insmod | wireddd: set ESSID and or Encryption key |
| 09:36.08 | wireddd | it doesn't do anything when I do |
| 09:36.24 | insmod | wireddd: pcmcia ? |
| 09:36.30 | wireddd | usb |
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| 09:37.01 | insmod | wiredd:hmm when mine does that i pull out then put back in |
| 09:37.01 | robin_sz | bah, OK I am trying to build a kernel module ... running 2.6.14-2-686-smp, the build process complains about not finding /lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686-smp/build: No such file or directory |
| 09:37.02 | Timtow | Anybody know where I can find a package for Debian Sarge 3.1 of MySQL 5.0.3? |
| 09:37.13 | robin_sz | what package do I need to isntall to get that to appear? |
| 09:37.30 | eleusis | does anyone here use KDE? i'm having trouble starting it - the splash screen gets stuck at "Loading the desktop", but there are no errors on the console or in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:37.41 | xk | robin_sz: you need the source tree of the kernel. |
| 09:37.42 | insmod | wireddd: does dmesg see it |
| 09:37.47 | wireddd | yeah |
| 09:37.58 | wireddd | i'll post what dmesg says in flood |
| 09:38.36 | robin_sz | xk: I thought the whole idea of 2.6 series kernels was the non-needing of the source tree to build modules, no??? |
| 09:38.37 | xk | sigh. |
| 09:38.41 | xk | wxwidges is fun. |
| 09:38.57 | xk | robin_sz: no. never been the case. |
| 09:39.01 | insmod | wireddd: is it encrypted ? |
| 09:39.02 | robin_sz | oh |
| 09:39.08 | wireddd | insmod, nope |
| 09:39.16 | insmod | wireddd: u lie |
| 09:39.21 | Timtow | arg, how can I get a debian package of mysql 5.0.3? |
| 09:39.38 | AciD | Timtow > dotdeb |
| 09:39.41 | insmod | wireddd: no essid and not encrypted ? |
| 09:39.45 | robin_sz | Timtow, see backports, |
| 09:39.56 | robin_sz | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/ |
| 09:40.09 | wireddd | 'iwlist wlan0 scan' doesn't return anything either and I know there are at least 5 ap that it should pickup |
| 09:40.20 | insmod | wireddd: no essid and not encrypted ? |
| 09:40.24 | Timtow | I got 5.0.22, but I need 5.0.3 |
| 09:40.34 | liable | wireddd: hrm, dont like that empty mac address |
| 09:40.45 | robin_sz | so I need linux-tree-2.6.14 |
| 09:40.49 | liable | whats iwconfig show? |
| 09:40.50 | wireddd | liable, yeah I don't either |
| 09:40.53 | robin_sz | xk: so I need linux-tree-2.6.14 |
| 09:40.57 | robin_sz | right? |
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| 09:41.30 | Timtow | neither of those links have 5.0.3...if I compile myself, will that upgrade like apt-get? |
| 09:41.52 | wols | Timtow: only if you build a .deb. why do you need exactly 5.0.3? |
| 09:41.53 | wireddd | liable, I just pasted it to #flood |
| 09:42.01 | xk | robin_sz: hmm... not sure what's the difference between kernel-tree and kernel-source. |
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| 09:42.05 | robin_sz | Timtow, no it wont. you'll have to remove your debain package or build your own .deb |
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| 09:42.21 | liable | wireddd: sorry ifconfig for mac add |
| 09:42.22 | xk | robin_sz: I always build my kernels from official source. |
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| 09:42.36 | wireddd | ifconfig wlan0 |
| 09:42.38 | wireddd | oops |
| 09:42.44 | xk | robin_sz: so yes, you are correct. |
| 09:42.48 | liable | heh |
| 09:42.55 | robin_sz | xk, not needed to build a kernel on Debian, not intending to either |
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| 09:43.29 | wireddd | its zeroed out as well |
| 09:43.41 | robin_sz | I was sure that 2.6 allowed you to build modules using just the kernel headers and the build mechanism .. ah well, shows what I know |
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| 09:44.14 | xk | robin_sz: hmm... if anything requires /lib/*/build - then the full source is needed. |
| 09:44.27 | liable | wireddd: hrm, i would check for appropriate modules i think. check the new pccardctl docs for info on ndis maybe |
| 09:44.31 | Timtow | I need 5.0.3 for use with full text indexing |
| 09:44.37 | xk | if it's a userland tool - it's broken by design. if it's a kernel module... then it's expected. |
| 09:44.45 | wireddd | liable, its a usb adapter |
| 09:44.51 | wols | robin_sz: what are you trying to build? most modules only need headers yes. some of those modules have a shitty build process tho, needing more |
| 09:44.52 | Timtow | Before MySQL 5.0.3, the engine then performs a substring search for the phrase in the records that are found, so the match must include non-word characters in the phrase. As of MySQL 5.0.3, non-word characters need not be matched exactly: Phrase searching requires only that matches contain exactly the same words as the phrase and in the same order. |
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| 09:45.16 | StormBlade | python-minimal: Depends: python2.3 (>= 2.3.5-14) but 2.3.5-3sarge1 is to be installed.... while installing alsa-utils... how can i solve this |
| 09:45.17 | Timtow | how do you build a .deb? |
| 09:45.28 | Timtow | good link on building .debs? |
| 09:45.34 | xomhauvtt | Timtow: google :D |
| 09:46.01 | liable | wireddd: oh, i had you confused with someone with a cardbus problem. |
| 09:46.02 | Timtow | may I ask why debian's packages are slow to release? |
| 09:46.06 | wols | StormBlade: where does this python-minimal come from? |
| 09:46.07 | robin_sz | wols, the SPCA5XX module |
| 09:46.09 | Timtow | I've been told that's debian's fallback |
| 09:46.27 | wols | !newbiedoc |
| 09:46.27 | dpkg | [newbiedoc] http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 09:46.29 | xk | Timtow: stability > bleeding edge ;) |
| 09:46.37 | wols | Timtow: that should have a tutorial |
| 09:47.06 | wols | Timtow: and debian is made fully of volunteers, not people who do packaging 8h a day, 5 days a week |
| 09:47.10 | wireddd | I hate wireless card support! |
| 09:47.10 | liable | wireddd: modprobe -l and search for usb network modules. i havent any experience with usb networking stuff |
| 09:47.29 | Timtow | thanks wols, found one on google...if it don't work, I'll check that one |
| 09:48.26 | wireddd | liable, I think my problem must be related to a ndiswrapper driver problem |
| 09:48.30 | wols | Timtow: you should be able to use the /debian directory from the 5.0.22 deb, so you don't need to write your own |
| 09:48.36 | liable | wireddd: prolly |
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| 09:49.02 | Timtow | 5.0.3 supports the feature that I won't, older MySQL don't |
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| 09:49.07 | Timtow | won't = want |
| 09:49.25 | xelam | don't = doesn't |
| 09:49.31 | Timtow | lol |
| 09:49.39 | Timtow | yeah, it's almost 5 am here |
| 09:49.47 | Timtow | give me a break, sheeeesh ;) |
| 09:49.50 | xelam | :P |
| 09:49.54 | etrask | never! :P |
| 09:50.19 | Timtow | hey, good news though...I've been at it all night and haven't heard RTFM once!!! |
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| 09:51.55 | Timtow | who needs it anyway, just a bunch of important words with lots of good instructions on how to do exactly what I want to do |
| 09:52.04 | StormBlade | wols, when i entered the command: apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 09:52.36 | robin_sz | bah |
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| 09:53.18 | robin_sz | so, thats confusing .. I installed the kernel source, but theres no 'build' file |
| 09:53.19 | Timtow | hrm...someone build me a mysql 5.0.3 i386 package for sarge 3.1? |
| 09:53.22 | Timtow | pllllllleease? |
| 09:53.29 | robin_sz | nah :) |
| 09:53.42 | Timtow | well, it was worth a try |
| 09:53.49 | etrask | RTFM! |
| 09:53.50 | robin_sz | you'll have to just build from source I guess |
| 09:53.56 | etrask | [sorry to bash your hopes :P] |
| 09:54.05 | Timtow | UGH! etrask!!! you ruined a perfect night! |
| 09:54.13 | etrask | well at least I didn't mean it, neh? |
| 09:54.18 | Timtow | lol |
| 09:54.22 | xk | rebuild sid packages on sarge... like i'm doing right now ;) |
| 09:54.42 | Timtow | is that easier and is there a sid package available for mysql 5.0.3? |
| 09:54.52 | Timtow | (wth is a sid package anyway) |
| 09:54.59 | xk | apt: info mysql-server-5.0 |
| 09:55.03 | xk | does it have to be specifically 5.0.3? |
| 09:55.04 | wols | Timtow: I told you to use the debian/ directory from 5.0.22 |
| 09:55.08 | liable | robin_sz: you need the kernel headers, or you need to make them from that source |
| 09:55.27 | Timtow | wols...oh you mean like copy the stuff for teh new control file and such? |
| 09:55.34 | wols | yes |
| 09:55.37 | robin_sz | liable, kernel headers, right ... |
| 09:55.50 | Timtow | at least 5.0.3, xk |
| 09:56.09 | Timtow | older versions don't support the full-text index on non-characters (phrases) |
| 09:56.10 | xk | althouhg, you have to modify the changelog file to make sur ethe package version comes out correct ;) if you do decide to use a different version |
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| 09:57.01 | Timtow | hmph...how long before 5.0.3 comes out ad debian package you think? |
| 09:57.07 | Timtow | ad =as |
| 09:57.11 | ram_einstein | what editor do I use to design web pages? I'm simplistic and I don't need fancy web pages |
| 09:57.24 | xk | 5.0.3 is ancient; 5.0.22 exists. |
| 09:57.26 | Timtow | ram_einstein: I use UltraEdit32, but it's only available on windows I think |
| 09:57.27 | wols | robin_sz: have you tried http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/spca5xx-source or is that giving you the troubles? |
| 09:57.29 | mcrea | hi |
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| 09:57.43 | ram_einstein | Timtow: sorry then. I don't use non-free software |
| 09:57.44 | wols | ram_einstein: nvu, quanta |
| 09:57.45 | Timtow | I love the highlighting of UltraEdit32 |
| 09:57.58 | ram_einstein | wols: nvu, yes, I've heard of it |
| 09:57.58 | Timtow | it's shareware I think |
| 09:58.16 | ram_einstein | Timtow: free as in GNU free, not free of cost |
| 09:58.26 | Timtow | well, I got it free :D |
| 09:58.29 | xelam | ram_einstein: use vim |
| 09:58.32 | mcrea | for mounting fat32 partitions |
| 09:58.47 | robin_sz | wols, thats the package thats giving me reoubles .. im on Sarge, so I need to build locally |
| 09:58.49 | mcrea | .. /dev/sda5 /mnt/wind vfat defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 09:58.50 | etrask | yeah, i just use vi, ram_einstein |
| 09:58.52 | codynotes_ | I'm trying to do a clean install of etch from CD. The installer asks for language, country, and keyboard selections, then does some hardware check for CD-ROMs. The window disappears, and then the installer just hangs. What is going on? |
| 09:58.54 | mcrea | is it right? |
| 09:59.00 | ram_einstein | xelam: that's what I use for general editing |
| 09:59.08 | robin_sz | wols, obviously Im building from the source package from that .deb |
| 09:59.08 | mcrea | for all users |
| 09:59.12 | ram_einstein | etrask: that's what I use for general purpose editing |
| 09:59.15 | xelam | ram_einstein: so...? use it for webpages |
| 09:59.23 | etrask | it can be used to edit .html files too |
| 09:59.25 | ram_einstein | xelam: it's not very convinient |
| 09:59.26 | etrask | you wanted simple :P |
| 09:59.27 | wols | mcrea: look up the "umask" option |
| 09:59.31 | xelam | ram_einstein: why not? |
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| 09:59.36 | ram_einstein | I have to type out all the tags and close them by hand! |
| 09:59.46 | xelam | ram_einstein: so? don't be so lazy! |
| 09:59.48 | Timtow | well, I'll wait a lil bit and see when it comes out, I can build the engine without it (but with support for it), once I'm done (a day or two) I'll check for the upgrade, if not I guess I'll tackle the deb build myself...thanks guys, y'all are awesome |
| 09:59.54 | etrask | hahah |
| 09:59.56 | belracu | how to change the NextHop IP in RIP message field in zebra |
| 10:00.07 | etrask | well, xelam, nested tags CAN be quite a pain in the butt at times |
| 10:00.19 | xelam | etrask: perhaps, but I manage fine :P |
| 10:00.56 | etrask | me too, but I certainly understand where ram_einstein is coming from |
| 10:01.24 | etrask | my website is very simple... the hardest part was getting the CSS down pat [which was entirely written with VI :P] |
| 10:01.40 | ram_einstein | etrask: ! |
| 10:01.47 | etrask | Q |
| 10:01.49 | etrask | er, ! |
| 10:01.49 | heh_v_water | Package: mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.22-3) <<thats the version in testing right now |
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| 10:04.44 | Sage | hi |
| 10:04.56 | etrask | hi |
| 10:05.17 | Sage | i have a tyan motherboard S2895 with scsi |
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| 10:05.41 | Sage | and when i install debian, and it load module for scsi, it very very slow |
| 10:06.07 | Sage | i test it with suse, and it run normally |
| 10:06.13 | Sage | i don't understand |
| 10:06.28 | Sage | 15 min for format scsi disk 18Go |
| 10:06.56 | Gnea | Sage: they're 2 different distro setups. what kernels? |
| 10:07.03 | robin_sz | awesome! ... spca5xx module loaded ... cheap webcam now producing images |
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| 10:07.11 | Sage | Gnea i install debian sarge |
| 10:07.25 | Gnea | Sage: yes, with which kernel? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 10:07.36 | Sage | Gnea 2.6 |
| 10:07.45 | Gnea | sec |
| 10:08.08 | etrask | bah, what's the command to show your linux kernel/distro again? |
| 10:08.21 | Sage | etrask uname -a |
| 10:08.26 | etrask | yes... thanks :P |
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| 10:10.20 | NetBandit | hi there |
| 10:10.20 | NetBandit | Where is the grub-loaders config placed? |
| 10:10.50 | Sage | /boot/grub |
| 10:10.57 | NetBandit | oh, thanks ;) |
| 10:11.10 | NetBandit | ./boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 10:11.17 | NetBandit | I got it, thanks again ;) |
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| 10:11.29 | my007ms | what optian i can use with ls to see size in M |
| 10:11.41 | disorder | my007ms: -h ? |
| 10:11.50 | xk | i thought it was menu.lst, not grub.conf |
| 10:11.53 | etrask | human readble, i think is what that is |
| 10:12.06 | etrask | [yeah, i see menu.lst and menu.lst~, but no grub.conf] |
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| 10:12.11 | xelam | Notorious: what xk said |
| 10:12.17 | xk | he's gone ;) |
| 10:12.24 | etrask | hah |
| 10:12.31 | etrask | well... maybe grub.conf appeared on his box |
| 10:12.34 | my007ms | disorder, that i find some great optian with man pages ls have very big man |
| 10:12.50 | my007ms | disorder, thanks much |
| 10:13.18 | disorder | my007ms: that's human readable option |
| 10:13.32 | xelam | oh |
| 10:13.39 | Gnea | Sage: hrm, not too sure... i would compare output of dmesg messages from suse and debian along with /proc/scsi/* values |
| 10:13.42 | etrask | you could also use --si to make a kilo- 1000 instead of 1024 |
| 10:13.49 | Gnea | Sage: what kernel is suse using again? |
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| 10:14.02 | my007ms | disorder, i think it's not working with me i try ls -lh / and find very small size ?? |
| 10:14.17 | Sage | Gnea kernel for suse, i don't know |
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| 10:14.26 | Gnea | Sage: might want to check that too |
| 10:14.33 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 10:14.35 | Sage | Gnea yes |
| 10:14.37 | my007ms | disorder, drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1.0K Jul 6 21:18 home |
| 10:14.49 | xelam | my007ms: you misunderstand ls |
| 10:14.51 | phaedrus44 | !unstable |
| 10:14.52 | dpkg | [unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 10:15.03 | xelam | my007ms: that's the size of the directory entry, not its contents |
| 10:15.12 | xelam | my007ms: you need to use "du" |
| 10:15.17 | phaedrus44 | !testing |
| 10:15.17 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 10:15.20 | Gnea | my007ms: du -sh dir/ |
| 10:15.20 | etrask | [all my dirs show up as 4.0k... is this strange?] |
| 10:15.24 | Timtow | you can migrate suse 9 to the 2.6 kernel |
| 10:15.28 | Gnea | etrask: no. |
| 10:15.43 | Gnea | Timtow: fuck that, he can install debian :P |
| 10:15.51 | Timtow | lol, yep |
| 10:15.55 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:15.55 | Timtow | I heard suse sux |
| 10:16.02 | Gnea | it has it's moments |
| 10:16.03 | Timtow | almost as bad as mandriva |
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| 10:16.37 | Gnea | no, i'd say mandriva is a step below suse in suckyness |
| 10:16.38 | my007ms | Gnea, when i use du -h it's get me all file in my system i am not put -R |
| 10:16.56 | Sage | Gnea i boot my server, waiting for ssh conexion |
| 10:16.57 | etrask | my007ms: that will happen if you're in / |
| 10:17.11 | etrask | [the very root of the drive] |
| 10:17.28 | Gnea | s/drive/system/g |
| 10:17.44 | my007ms | :) all i need to make something like ls but see size |
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| 10:17.56 | mortalman | du -h ? |
| 10:17.57 | Timtow | ls -l |
| 10:18.03 | Gnea | my007ms: dude, du -sh dir/ |
| 10:18.05 | Bushmills | what are reasons to prefer fam over gamin, or vice versa? i.e., which one would you recommend? |
| 10:18.10 | Gnea | why can't you run that? |
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| 10:18.13 | Timtow | my007ms: ls -l |
| 10:18.17 | my007ms | du -sh get me siz of one exact only |
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| 10:18.30 | Timtow | ls -l file |
| 10:18.37 | Gnea | my007ms: are you looking for commulative size of all files in a directory? |
| 10:18.44 | xelam | maybe you want du -c |
| 10:19.12 | Sage | Gnea 2.6.16.13-4-smp |
| 10:19.12 | my007ms | for exampel i have 30 file want to know exacr size for every file |
| 10:19.20 | my007ms | if i do du -h |
| 10:19.28 | Gnea | my007ms: that's what du -sh shows you. |
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| 10:19.40 | my007ms | i get all size for all file */*/* |
| 10:19.49 | Gnea | my007ms: for the whole directory, du -ch dir/ |
| 10:19.56 | xk | hmmm |
| 10:20.19 | Gnea | Sage: ok, that's a newer kernel, so it probably fixed some things. you can install debian and then upgrade the kernel to 2.6.16 via backports |
| 10:20.23 | Gnea | !backports |
| 10:20.23 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:20.40 | Gnea | Sage: debian sarge uses 2.6.8 |
| 10:20.44 | Timtow | du -ch dir/ still shows all the subroots |
| 10:20.50 | Timtow | er subdirs |
| 10:20.51 | my007ms | :D thanks all i find what i was search for |
| 10:20.52 | my007ms | ls -1 |xargs du -sh |
| 10:20.57 | Sage | Gnea i see, but there when i install it |
| 10:21.07 | etrask | Gnea: i thought you had to specify the 2.6 kernal, when installing |
| 10:21.09 | etrask | 'linux26' |
| 10:21.14 | etrask | kernel* |
| 10:21.24 | Timtow | 'expert26' |
| 10:21.29 | Bushmills | my007, hav a list of those files? ls -l `cat yourfilelist` |
| 10:21.34 | Gnea | etrask: yes, linux26, but it uses 2.6.8 |
| 10:21.39 | etrask | ah |
| 10:21.43 | xelam | my007ms: that's the same as "du -sh *" |
| 10:22.00 | my007ms | but du -sh will show you only one |
| 10:22.01 | etrask | Timtow: what is expert26? i have to install debian on here tomorrow, hopefully i won't hose my windows drive |
| 10:22.12 | xelam | my007ms: yes, but not if you put * |
| 10:22.19 | Timtow | that's expert mode using the 2.6 kernel |
| 10:22.19 | xelam | type: du -sh * |
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| 10:22.30 | Gnea | etrask: what's wrong with hosing a windows drive? :) |
| 10:22.36 | my007ms | xelam, try now and tell me what u see |
| 10:22.37 | etrask | it has all of my stuff :( |
| 10:22.41 | etrask | also games :P |
| 10:22.45 | Timtow | can't loose those |
| 10:22.49 | xelam | my007ms: what? you tryit |
| 10:22.52 | etrask | no! no we can't! |
| 10:22.52 | xelam | I know what it is |
| 10:22.53 | Gnea | hehe |
| 10:22.54 | xelam | ffs |
| 10:22.56 | xelam | I know what it does |
| 10:23.18 | Gnea | xelam: he got what he was looking for |
| 10:23.30 | Timtow | etrask: expert mode just gives you a little more control of how it's installed...sometimes you HAVE to do expert to set certain options |
| 10:23.44 | Timtow | also allows you to run bash commands during install process |
| 10:23.54 | etrask | oh, cool |
| 10:23.59 | etrask | but, i think, for me, hardly necessary |
| 10:24.03 | etrask | [and i am hardly an expert!] |
| 10:24.06 | Gnea | you can run bash commands in regular install mode too |
| 10:24.07 | Gnea | alt-f2 |
| 10:24.16 | simonrvn | you can that in 'regular' mode anyway on vt2 |
| 10:24.23 | Timtow | I'm not an expert...been using *nix for a month now |
| 10:24.27 | simonrvn | do that* |
| 10:24.34 | Timtow | but I like to at least 'see' all the settings |
| 10:24.36 | Timtow | :D |
| 10:24.42 | Gnea | Timtow: cool |
| 10:24.42 | etrask | i don't use linux on my main computer... this IRC client, for example, is x-forwarded from the Debian box in the office |
| 10:24.46 | etrask | mmmm... ssh |
| 10:24.58 | etrask | yeah, i know what you mean, Timtow |
| 10:25.06 | Gnea | etrask: i do, it's much more efficient |
| 10:25.11 | Timtow | Gnea, I would switch my main to *nix, but I love my games too much |
| 10:25.13 | etrask | i like to have control over everything too... i think we all do, thus our Linux love :P |
| 10:25.22 | Gnea | Timtow: cedega |
| 10:25.42 | Gnea | !cedega |
| 10:25.42 | dpkg | somebody said cedega was the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 10:26.12 | etrask | Gnea: WineX is great, but it really is a lot easier to just do it in windows :P |
| 10:26.17 | simonrvn | you that thing, "i'd rather have a bottle in front of me rather than a frontal lobotomy"? replace the lobotomy with mock os or win32, and the bottle with debian, and you get what i feel about it |
| 10:26.17 | Gnea | i was playing everquest in debian for awhile ;) |
| 10:26.21 | Timtow | cedega isn't free |
| 10:26.30 | my007ms | xelam, :D yes it's the same |
| 10:26.35 | Timtow | and how does it do on the more 'graphical' games? |
| 10:26.44 | Timtow | it also doesn't support ALL games |
| 10:26.47 | my007ms | thanks Gnea and thanks all |
| 10:26.52 | etrask | [Half-Life 2, eg] |
| 10:26.58 | Gnea | Timtow: it works quite well, actually |
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| 10:27.07 | xk | hmmm |
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| 10:27.17 | etrask | I gotta admit, I think Linux would handle this computers hardware much much better |
| 10:27.23 | etrask | mmmm... 64-bit processing |
| 10:27.23 | Gnea | Timtow: it's like $15 and then $5 monthly subscriptions if you want updates - not very expensive at all. |
| 10:27.35 | Timtow | Gnea...I don't pay for anything ;) |
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| 10:27.38 | Gnea | $15 is *CHEAP* |
| 10:27.41 | Timtow | except hardware |
| 10:27.44 | Timtow | not for me Gnea |
| 10:27.44 | HelmutG | Hi. I just installed python-flup, but it is only available to python2.4 can I somehow enable it for other python versions, too? |
| 10:27.45 | Gnea | Timtow: then you are a drain on society :) |
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| 10:27.47 | etrask | haha, Gnea... telling us to pay for something on a linux channel!? |
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| 10:28.07 | Gnea | do as you will |
| 10:28.13 | anoid` | Hi, I just did a new debian installation for my college cs classes. |
| 10:28.16 | Gnea | etrask: i didn't tell anyone to pay for anything. |
| 10:28.26 | anoid` | I was wondering if debian is secure or if there is anything I need to do and secure it. |
| 10:28.31 | heh_v_water | Wine will use A LOT of windows software if you use it right |
| 10:28.45 | etrask | anoid`: 'secure' is pretty vague... |
| 10:28.45 | Gnea | anoid`: it helps to do a walk-through just to make sure |
| 10:28.46 | Timtow | I built my entire webserver out of spare parts, I ain't about to pay $15 for cedega,when I can get better performance from said games using windows on my mian box |
| 10:28.48 | shining_ | I get this when I try to launch an app on a second x display: Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server |
| 10:28.56 | Gnea | anoid`: it's as secure as you make it. |
| 10:29.04 | anoid` | okay to be more specific |
| 10:29.05 | Timtow | besides, if your on windows, ghost is your friend |
| 10:29.14 | anoid` | in cs we talk about vulnerabilities |
| 10:29.18 | anoid` | does debian have any atm |
| 10:29.20 | shining_ | usually I solved that using xauth, but it behaves a bit strange on debian |
| 10:29.23 | Gnea | Timtow: heh, did you pay for windows? :) |
| 10:29.24 | etrask | as in, remote vulnerabilities? |
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| 10:29.31 | Timtow | Gnea..... |
| 10:29.34 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:29.36 | etrask | [not directly Gnea :P] |
| 10:29.37 | anoid` | or local, this is a uni comp |
| 10:29.41 | Timtow | yeah, not directly |
| 10:29.42 | Gnea | that's what i thought |
| 10:29.48 | etrask | [Alienware wouldn't put Debian on here, I asked 'em!] |
| 10:29.49 | Gnea | uh huh :) |
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| 10:29.59 | Timtow | but if I chose to use Cedega, I would pay for it |
| 10:30.06 | Timtow | that's a diff story all together |
| 10:30.14 | Gnea | i guess it really depends on what games you like to play |
| 10:30.18 | liable | anoid`: if its stable (and up to date with security fixes) and you set any services up properly, its quite secure |
| 10:30.21 | Timtow | at least those developers would deserve it, eh? |
| 10:30.24 | Gnea | you don't HAVE to use it, there's nothing wrong with dual booting |
| 10:30.31 | Gnea | yeah |
| 10:30.33 | Ex-Cyber | IIRC Microsoft's been badgering PC makers to not sell systems without an OS, because they figure that the only reason anyone would buy one is to put an illegal copy of Windows on it |
| 10:30.34 | shining_ | linux games are much more fun :) |
| 10:30.35 | etrask | anoid`: Debian is often credited as the most 'stable' *nix distro... and it is rock solid |
| 10:30.44 | Timtow | lol Ex-Cyber |
| 10:30.47 | anoid` | wow awesome! |
| 10:30.47 | Timtow | they got BIG heads |
| 10:30.53 | Bushmills | anoid`: "does it have any" refers to "have any *known* vulnerability? if no, the only answer can be "mu", or "nobody can possibly know" |
| 10:30.57 | Gnea | shining_: starfighter :) |
| 10:31.00 | Timtow | linux games remind me of the 80's |
| 10:31.04 | anoid` | I see |
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| 10:31.17 | etrask | Ex-Cyber: yeah? MS sure does some intersting things, doesn't it? |
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| 10:31.22 | Gnea | Timtow: i'd rather play my atart 2600 than the crap on the Xbox. |
| 10:31.25 | shining_ | the 80's was very advanced in games then |
| 10:31.29 | Bushmills | anoid, that apllies to any piece of computer software. |
| 10:31.31 | mortalman | Is VLC not available in etch? |
| 10:31.32 | Timtow | oh I don't play xbox |
| 10:31.33 | Gnea | s/atart/atari/g |
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| 10:31.46 | Bushmills | except trivial ones |
| 10:31.50 | Timtow | I like games like civ4, Starforce, etc, etc |
| 10:31.53 | Gnea | mortalman: not currently |
| 10:31.57 | Gnea | !info vlc etch |
| 10:31.58 | etrask | oh damnit! |
| 10:31.58 | xk | [fglrx] API ERROR: could not register entrypoint for SelectTextureSGIS |
| 10:32.00 | xk | hmm... |
| 10:32.03 | etrask | damn you, Timtow! |
| 10:32.06 | Timtow | Will Wright is coming out with a new one next year, it's going to be AWESOME |
| 10:32.07 | etrask | now I have to play Civ again |
| 10:32.09 | simonrvn | Gnea: i thought you were referring to women who sell sex for money :P |
| 10:32.15 | Gnea | 06:26 <dpkg> Package 'vlc' does not exist. |
| 10:32.16 | Timtow | heard of it etrask? |
| 10:32.18 | heh_v_water | mortalman, right, it is in SID and Sarge but not etch I believe, no clue why |
| 10:32.23 | etrask | only slightly |
| 10:32.25 | Timtow | it's called Spore |
| 10:32.25 | etrask | you mean Spore? |
| 10:32.27 | Timtow | yeah |
| 10:32.28 | etrask | yeah |
| 10:32.30 | Gnea | simonrvn: LMFAO |
| 10:32.43 | Timtow | I got the 2hour video of the official game demo show at G3 |
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| 10:32.47 | Timtow | awesome stuff |
| 10:32.53 | etrask | very cool |
| 10:32.54 | my007ms | how to make lftp login and give it password in command line |
| 10:32.56 | my007ms | lftp <URL> -u usnemname,password |
| 10:32.58 | my007ms | not work |
| 10:32.58 | mortalman | Gnea: The nerim.net|debian-multimedia apt repositories fail with update in etch. 8( |
| 10:33.18 | phaedrus44 | if i did and apt-get install and that removed a bunch of stuff.....how can i undo that? |
| 10:33.19 | xk | my007ms: o PROTO://USER:PASS@HOST/PATH |
| 10:33.29 | Timtow | the most interesting thing is how it's gonna generate content on the fly from other players created stuff... |
| 10:33.37 | Gnea | mortalman: why using etch anyway? :) |
| 10:33.42 | simonrvn | try avoiding specifying your password on the command line. anyone using ps can see it |
| 10:33.48 | etrask | yeah... i watched a video a long time ago and thought "i'm going to need a cray, aren't I?" |
| 10:33.52 | xk | my007ms: your example == you have to put url _after_ options, not before it. |
| 10:33.54 | simonrvn | my007ms: ^^^ |
| 10:34.01 | Timtow | what's a cray? |
| 10:34.01 | mortalman | Gnea: Is etch not more stable than sid? |
| 10:34.10 | etrask | a supercomputer :P |
| 10:34.10 | simonrvn | Timtow: super computer |
| 10:34.12 | Gnea | !cray |
| 10:34.12 | dpkg | well, cray is at http://www.cray.com. Cray makes Supercomputers for SuperBots, or now owned by Tera (www.tera.com) |
| 10:34.26 | Timtow | oh, no...the objects are very small, in kb's |
| 10:34.28 | Gnea | Timtow: the most powerful computers on the planet...er, well maybe used to be :) |
| 10:34.44 | simonrvn | they're still way up there |
| 10:34.45 | Gnea | mortalman: in many regards, no |
| 10:34.46 | Timtow | a good graphics card WILL be necesary though |
| 10:34.47 | etrask | yeah, they used to be at least |
| 10:34.54 | etrask | back when 'supercomputer' wasn't exactly a big market :P |
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| 10:35.10 | Timtow | how much does a rack server go for? |
| 10:35.14 | Timtow | a cheapy? |
| 10:35.18 | Gnea | depends |
| 10:35.22 | etrask | I do 3D graphics too... sure would like a cray |
| 10:35.28 | mortalman | Gnea: really? I read an FAQ because I always used sarge and it made it sound like sid may not even install, let alone run right. |
| 10:35.29 | simonrvn | there's a list on some web site somewhere where it lists the most powerful supercomputers |
| 10:35.29 | Gnea | do a google search |
| 10:35.33 | etrask | or to run BOINC |
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| 10:35.42 | Timtow | Gnea: make it hard on me why don't you |
| 10:35.49 | lunitik | simonrvn: www.top500.com or something |
| 10:35.51 | Gnea | mortalman: sid runs fine if you know how |
| 10:35.57 | Gnea | Timtow: okay :) |
| 10:36.01 | simonrvn | yeh, i think so |
| 10:36.11 | Timtow | hmm, around $1500..not bad |
| 10:36.14 | etrask | bah, www.top500.com is a domain squatter |
| 10:36.18 | simonrvn | :( |
| 10:36.25 | Timtow | that's for a quad 400mhz |
| 10:36.36 | etrask | ah |
| 10:36.37 | Gnea | mortalman: but testing is evolving right now, so it's changing just like sid is, only at a slightly different rate |
| 10:36.52 | mortalman | Gnea: I was under the impression that packages are developed in sid, then moved to etch when they have met certain criteria. |
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| 10:37.04 | Gnea | mortalman: kinda |
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| 10:37.16 | etrask | haha, my webserver is an old Duron 800mhz |
| 10:37.21 | Gnea | i wouldn't mind a quad dual-core |
| 10:37.26 | anoid` | 500 Mhz here |
| 10:37.27 | etrask | me either! |
| 10:37.29 | Timtow | gotcha beat, mine is a pII 350 |
| 10:37.29 | Gnea | that'd be an 8-way system #) |
| 10:37.33 | etrask | jeez |
| 10:37.41 | Timtow | and no probs at all from it |
| 10:37.43 | etrask | my friend's dad still runs a comp at 250mhz |
| 10:37.45 | etrask | with WINDOWS on it |
| 10:37.45 | anoid` | aye its pretty bad, cvsup'ing sucks |
| 10:37.50 | Timtow | of course, I don't have many hits |
| 10:37.54 | Gnea | model name : AMD Sempron(tm) 2800+ cpu MHz : 2004.686 |
| 10:37.57 | etrask | same here, timtow |
| 10:38.00 | Timtow | my mom runs XP on a 350 |
| 10:38.02 | simonrvn | http://www.top500.org/lists/2006/06 |
| 10:38.05 | etrask | good god |
| 10:38.06 | anoid` | and recompiling with ssp was a nightmare |
| 10:38.06 | zinx | my router is a 200MHz MIPS with 16mb of ram. |
| 10:38.09 | anoid` | took 2 days |
| 10:38.12 | etrask | hahah |
| 10:38.15 | zinx | i guess that doesn't count though :P |
| 10:38.20 | Timtow | yeah and she won't let me disable the bells and whistles to make it faster either |
| 10:38.23 | mortalman | zinx: most are. heh |
| 10:38.38 | anoid` | im on my 2Ghz right now, gentoo of course |
| 10:38.48 | mortalman | 2.4, woot |
| 10:38.51 | Gnea | Timtow: if she still has a warranty, she's doing a smart thing |
| 10:38.54 | Timtow | oh, Gnea, my desktop is Pentium D 820 Dual....love it |
| 10:38.55 | etrask | 2.2ghz AMD Athlon, WinXP |
| 10:39.04 | anoid` | etrask, dell? |
| 10:39.15 | etrask | well, now, technically, yes |
| 10:39.16 | etrask | Alienware |
| 10:39.19 | Timtow | I get about 2.8ghz per side |
| 10:39.21 | anoid` | ah |
| 10:39.36 | Timtow | but I got a SLOW HD |
| 10:39.43 | Timtow | 7200 rpm...sux bad |
| 10:39.48 | etrask | ouch |
| 10:39.57 | Timtow | Stork -> showoff |
| 10:39.58 | zinx | 4200 rpm...sux worse |
| 10:40.02 | etrask | I never noticed I would have liked a faster hard drive until I got SATA |
| 10:40.11 | simonrvn | zinx: read my mind =) |
| 10:40.13 | Timtow | I wanted an AMD dual, but they're expensive as compared to intel |
| 10:40.24 | etrask | mine was a gift, but yeah, i agree |
| 10:40.27 | Timtow | or was when I bought it |
| 10:40.55 | zinx | <- expensive amd dual desktop, el cheapo broken 600e laptop |
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| 10:41.05 | xk | how much heat does that dual core p4 use? :) |
| 10:41.08 | xk | er, create |
| 10:41.10 | concept10 | forget the speeds, i need a _quiet_ desktop, my laptop sounds like a jet |
| 10:41.12 | anoid` | does anyone have info on debian and loadable kernel modules? |
| 10:41.30 | Timtow | I got a good fan on it, but it's stable at around 75F? I guess..don't test it much |
| 10:41.34 | Gnea | anoid`: what do you need to know? |
| 10:41.35 | lunitik | !lkm |
| 10:41.36 | dpkg | hmm... lkm is Linux/Loadable Kernel Modules |
| 10:41.40 | lunitik | grrr |
| 10:41.44 | simonrvn | i'd go for a pismo... modern enough, but not fancy, and upgradable |
| 10:41.52 | anoid` | doesnt debian handle them differently |
| 10:41.52 | Timtow | and my room temp is 78-80, so that's perty good |
| 10:41.57 | anoid` | as in no straight up insmod? |
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| 10:42.05 | anoid` | (or modprobe w/e) |
| 10:42.06 | zinx | concept10: you can make any system quiet |
| 10:42.10 | xk | Timtow: I don't believe that. |
| 10:42.12 | Timtow | Intel had heat problems trying to push 4ghz |
| 10:42.14 | Gnea | anoid`: you're not making much sense... debian uses modprobe |
| 10:42.15 | zinx | concept10: it's all in the fans/cooling solution you use |
| 10:42.28 | Gnea | anoid`: are you refering to udev? |
| 10:42.31 | anoid` | no |
| 10:42.35 | Gnea | are you sure? |
| 10:42.37 | Gnea | !udev |
| 10:42.37 | anoid` | jsut how it handles lkm's |
| 10:42.37 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable |
| 10:42.38 | Timtow | xk, I got a GOOD fan and about 4 case fans, large box |
| 10:42.40 | zinx | concept10: for truely quiet, you'll want to ditch the fans, but you can make a pretty quiet one with the right fans ;) |
| 10:42.43 | anoid` | yes I know what udev is |
| 10:42.54 | Gnea | anoid`: as compared to what? |
| 10:42.55 | concept10 | zinx, this laptop has three fans, it drives me nuts. I can actually hear it outside of my computer room with the door closed |
| 10:42.56 | etrask | i remember reading back, some time ago... some guy rigged his machine with some very efficient heatsink, using alcohol evaporation or something like that |
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| 10:42.59 | xk | CPU Fan: 0 RPM |
| 10:43.00 | xk | MB Temp: +24 C |
| 10:43.01 | xk | CPU Temp: +30.5 C |
| 10:43.03 | xk | ^^ amd :-) |
| 10:43.04 | etrask | OCed his CPU to something like 7ghz |
| 10:43.19 | Timtow | you trying to blow it up etrask? |
| 10:43.19 | zinx | concept10: fans have different noise levels, even for the same size |
| 10:43.21 | Gnea | alcohol evaporation?! |
| 10:43.25 | etrask | what, no, it wasn't me |
| 10:43.36 | etrask | i'm not crazy/rich enough to destroy hardware on that :P |
| 10:43.39 | anoid` | honestly I cant remember what I read now |
| 10:43.39 | Gnea | etrask: heh, have you seen the liquid nitrogen cooling system? :) |
| 10:43.40 | anoid` | lol |
| 10:43.53 | etrask | Gnea: no... |
| 10:43.56 | etrask | but that might be what I was reading |
| 10:43.57 | Timtow | Gnea: I have, they're expensive, but awesome |
| 10:43.59 | Gnea | etrask: that shit is crazy |
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| 10:44.10 | Gnea | Timtow: hell yeah, and delecate |
| 10:44.14 | anoid` | i signed up for the debian security mailing list btw |
| 10:44.15 | etrask | I wouldn't like my computer to go Hiroshima on me |
| 10:44.17 | etrask | ...frankly :P |
| 10:44.19 | Gnea | you mess one small thing up and it all shatters |
| 10:44.36 | etrask | anoid`: cool |
| 10:44.38 | Timtow | yep, nitrogen freezes |
| 10:44.41 | zinx | liquid nitrogen makes things a bit too cold for my liking |
| 10:44.41 | etrask | it's a good practice :P |
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| 10:45.08 | etrask | Timtow: of course... haven't you seen Terminator 2? :P |
| 10:45.08 | zinx | if you don't end up shattering something because it's so brittle, you still have to deal with all the condensation |
| 10:45.18 | Timtow | hehehe, my last comp was a 350 I overclocked it to about 500 and ran it without the case cover to keep it cool enough |
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| 10:45.46 | Gnea | zinx: http://www.tomshardware.com/2003/12/30/5_ghz_project/index.html |
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| 10:45.51 | Timtow | etrask, I used to work in a airplane wheel and brake shop, they inflate the tires with liquid nitrogen...we used to play with it all the time, freezing stuff |
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| 10:45.56 | etrask | zinx: i have honestly never even considered condensation as a problem with computer cooling :P |
| 10:46.17 | etrask | Timtow: that's awesome! |
| 10:46.29 | etrask | I... I don't think anybody who knows me would let me play with liquid nitrogen :P |
| 10:46.31 | zinx | etrask: obviously never dealed with the cooler side of computer cooling :D |
| 10:46.41 | zinx | s/dealed/dealt/ |
| 10:46.42 | Timtow | lol @ etrask |
| 10:46.48 | zinx | i just woke up by the way :x |
| 10:47.01 | etrask | ...really? I should go to bed soon :P |
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| 10:47.40 | xk | anyone got DRI working nicely with the fglrx driver? |
| 10:47.52 | Timtow | Gnea, is there a commercial version of that available? I mean something you can buy otm? |
| 10:47.56 | Gnea | zinx: condensation problem solved: http://www.tomshardware.com/2003/12/30/5_ghz_project/page7.html |
| 10:48.01 | Gnea | Timtow: NAFAIK |
| 10:48.11 | Timtow | that would be so awesome |
| 10:48.16 | zinx | Gnea: it's never solved.. just worked around.. |
| 10:48.24 | Gnea | zinx: it works. |
| 10:48.37 | etrask | so... |
| 10:48.45 | etrask | if they got that CPU to -190 C |
| 10:48.56 | etrask | why not see how far they could push it until it blew up? :P |
| 10:49.02 | Gnea | they got it to run 5 fucking gigahertz lol |
| 10:49.04 | etrask | [it's Tom's Hardware, they could afford it! :P] |
| 10:49.09 | Gnea | hahahah |
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| 10:49.17 | Timtow | well, you gotta think about bus speeds and such too etrask |
| 10:49.28 | etrask | Fie! |
| 10:50.01 | Timtow | I'm gonna go to bed now, prolly should it's almost 6am |
| 10:50.10 | Timtow | God bless y'all...I'm out |
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| 10:50.50 | etrask | ...reminds me of another video I saw, where these guys ran a computer without a heatsink at all, in windows |
| 10:50.54 | etrask | chip shattered and flew off the mobo |
| 10:50.57 | etrask | pretty funny |
| 10:51.47 | anoid` | are there any kernel mode based rootkit detectors? |
| 10:51.58 | anoid` | as in like a module gets lotaed and opens up a socket and you get alerted |
| 10:52.02 | anoid` | something of that nature? |
| 10:52.19 | anoid` | s/lotaed/loaded |
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| 10:52.33 | anoid` | chkrootkit just seems so weak |
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| 10:53.05 | becks` | hi, my apt-get always wants to connect to a ipv6 address like "2001:620:0:8:203:baff:fe52:38e6" - how can i disable that? |
| 10:53.10 | RolandU | hi all! how do I find out my current sync-rate in xorg? |
| 10:53.11 | Jamster | anoid`: that's why you also use tiger and rkhunter ;) |
| 10:53.26 | anoid` | are they userland? |
| 10:53.26 | Jamster | becks`: edit the sources.list |
| 10:53.42 | becks` | ok, thanks |
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| 10:54.15 | my007ms | hello i try make sampile script to get list of some ftp server to make search offline and othere stuff |
| 10:54.18 | etrask | oi... |
| 10:54.23 | my007ms | so i try for exampel lftp ftp://asim.lip6.fr/ -e "ls -R > ftp_list " |
| 10:54.23 | etrask | what's a rootkit? :P |
| 10:54.38 | my007ms | but this not exit after make the list |
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| 10:54.45 | anoid` | eh they have multiple definitions |
| 10:54.51 | anoid` | they can be userland or kernel |
| 10:54.51 | my007ms | so i try lftp ftp://asim.lip6.fr/ -c "ls -R > ftp_list " |
| 10:54.59 | anoid` | but they are to basically keep root on a system |
| 10:55.02 | my007ms | but it's not work |
| 10:55.15 | anoid` | synonomous with backdoor almost |
| 10:55.20 | anoid` | usually more advanced |
| 10:55.27 | anoid` | if you're familiar with windows think ring-0 |
| 10:55.28 | etrask | oh, i see |
| 10:55.59 | etrask | hmm... sounds insideous |
| 10:56.05 | simonrvn | it'sa usually to get root and keep it until discovered, and do nasty things while there |
| 10:56.07 | Jamster | anoid`: yeah, both userland. I doubt there's a kernelland rk scanner. If, that has to be patched into the kernel..I'm not aware of anything like it. |
| 10:56.10 | simonrvn | !rootkit |
| 10:56.10 | dpkg | from memory, rootkit is a set of tools that replace the standard Unix utilities like ls and ps in order to hide certain files and processes from the admin. It is a good thing to have a copy of these tools on disk, but that only helps against the weaker rootkits (that don't modify the kernel in place). |
| 10:56.40 | anoid` | Jamester, bah I'll have to google around |
| 10:56.47 | anoid` | its not a fair fight unless they are both kernel |
| 10:58.09 | my007ms | is there read software make me list of ftp's |
| 10:59.00 | Bushmills | yes, there is a script, called rfc, which allows you to read rfc. you will find ftp among those. |
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| 10:59.52 | etrask | okay... I have to go to bed now if I hope to wake up during daylight hours tomo-- later today |
| 10:59.55 | etrask | see ya later :P |
| 10:59.57 | simonrvn | damned useful. don't have to go read them on some site |
| 11:00.05 | Bushmills | for example, you can say "rfc -s ftp", and it gives you a list of all relevant rfcs |
| 11:00.19 | simonrvn | a lot of the rfcs are available in debian, though you need non-free in sources.list |
| 11:00.19 | anoid` | damn that is nice |
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| 11:00.25 | Candid | Hi, can anyone help me installing the rt61 driver? i compiled the module, but when loading it, exactly nothing happens. any ideas? |
| 11:00.51 | Bushmills | Candid: "nothing happens" sounds good |
| 11:00.57 | Bushmills | no news = good news |
| 11:01.33 | my007ms | can u pleas give me link as all goog search come with stuff abut The Internet Engineering Task Force |
| 11:01.40 | my007ms | they have many many rfc |
| 11:02.15 | cast | my007ms: what do you mean list ftps? |
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| 11:02.27 | Bushmills | yes, sure. hang on |
| 11:02.34 | my007ms | there is many ftp server i use |
| 11:02.40 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/rfc |
| 11:02.41 | Candid | Bushmills: yeah, really. dmesg doesn't give any output, no network device is created, the only thing that happens is that the module is shown in lsmod |
| 11:02.46 | my007ms | so when i search for something i have to login |
| 11:02.52 | Bushmills | Candid: perfect |
| 11:03.22 | my007ms | and keep search fo i will make txt file have list of all file in all this ftps when i need something i will just grep what i need from the file |
| 11:03.25 | my007ms | ;) |
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| 11:04.58 | my007ms | this is my sampile idea did any one have more smart one |
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| 11:05.04 | my007ms | ?? |
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| 11:07.55 | my007ms | usage: rfc -i updates the /usr/local/lib/rfc/rfc-index via $viewer |
| 11:07.58 | my007ms | ?? |
| 11:08.15 | my007ms | No rfc-index!!! Run with the -i option to download it! |
| 11:08.16 | my007ms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:12.47 | MatBoy | DOes someone can me give advise about a DualCore Processor ? Does it have better performance under Debian ? |
| 11:12.58 | RolandU | how can I find out my screen' |
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| 11:13.04 | RolandU | how can I find out my screen's refresh rates? |
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| 11:13.19 | cast | MatBoy: better under debian than winxp, i suspect |
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| 11:13.36 | Nei | where can I learn about hotplug? need to calibrate my joystick automatically |
| 11:13.39 | MatBoy | cast, that is no advise... that is always true :D |
| 11:13.41 | shining | RolandU: usually you don't have to worry about that. or do you have an old monitor? |
| 11:13.54 | lunitik | Nei: you look into udev... and pretend you never heard of hotplug |
| 11:14.35 | cast | MatBoy: well you said 'better' but not reference to better than what. i dont imagine debian has any advantage over any other distro, as performance is going to mostly be dictated by the kernel and all linux distros...have the same kernel |
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| 11:15.01 | RolandU | shining, no, I have a 6-month-old tft, but xorg seems to select the wrong driver, 3d-games won't work..... I just wanted to check the rates to find out if they are low too |
| 11:15.05 | MatBoy | cast, OK... under Linux than :) but because this is a Debian channel :) |
| 11:15.41 | my007ms | lftp <URL> -c <cmd> not work |
| 11:15.43 | wols | RolandU: in your xorg.conf |
| 11:15.52 | wols | and your Xorg logfile |
| 11:15.57 | my007ms | how can i use -c optian with lftp |
| 11:16.11 | lunitik | cast: thats not actually true... most distro's do not have the same kernel... because they are compiled by different people etc, they do not have same options etc |
| 11:16.12 | RolandU | wols, I want to find out the rate it uses *currently*, not the one it *should* use. |
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| 11:16.48 | wols | RolandU: it will tell you the rate it currently uses in your logfile |
| 11:16.59 | wols | my007ms: have you looked at ncftpget yet? |
| 11:17.16 | RolandU | wols, ah.... I will check that |
| 11:17.30 | shining | my screens usually display it in their menu |
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| 11:18.37 | cast | lunitik: well, i should have been clearer. i meant identical in that they are all linux, as opposed to kfreebsd, or whatever windows runs, etc.. they do indeed run different versions, with different patches and compile time options :> |
| 11:18.39 | my007ms | wols, no i will now |
| 11:19.26 | lunitik | cast: ntkrnl iir |
| 11:20.15 | cast | oh. oops. s/identical/same |
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| 11:22.04 | RolandU | I upgraded my etch yesterday. Today 3d-graphic-games won't work..... how can I locate the problem? |
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| 11:25.16 | becks` | 3d games on linux? :D |
| 11:25.39 | wols | check which driver is used and which GLX library |
| 11:27.29 | my007ms | wols, i can not fine optian to send commnad to remote fto |
| 11:27.40 | my007ms | wols, i use ncftp |
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| 11:28.06 | becks` | which kernel is more secure? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 11:28.12 | shining | 2.2 |
| 11:28.18 | becks` | hm ok ;) |
| 11:28.22 | Jazon | hi everyone. can someone explain to me the differences between debian and a distro like kanotix? |
| 11:28.52 | Nei | does someone know how I can tell "info" that I want to see the "info coreutils ls" if I do "info ls" ( and not the man page)/ |
| 11:29.08 | lunitik | becks`: SELinux got merged into 2.6 tree... so some would say that alone qualifies 2.6 as most secure... |
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| 11:29.26 | becks` | okay thanks |
| 11:29.27 | shining | Jazon: kanotix is based on debian, and debian is debian. that's a major difference :) |
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| 11:30.12 | Jazon | shining so would it be hard to get my machines working as well with pure debian as they do with kanotix? |
| 11:30.20 | whaq | greetings englightened people of the debian kind.. |
| 11:30.29 | Jazon | whaq: hi :) |
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| 11:30.52 | whaq | Jazon: what's up? I'm looking for those attuned to kinky storage options (SAN, iSCSI, etc) |
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| 11:32.10 | xelam | whaq: kinky? |
| 11:33.30 | whaq | xelam, well, they're not as conventional as.. say.. sata, ide, scsi.. |
| 11:34.46 | RolandU | wols, wesaGLX and my xorg-video-card-driver is radeon |
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| 11:35.15 | wols | do you mean mesaglx? |
| 11:35.31 | wols | RolandU: and what videocard do you have? |
| 11:35.35 | RolandU | mesa, sorry |
| 11:35.41 | RolandU | radeon 9200 |
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| 11:38.05 | wols | that should give you 3d with DRI in the kernel, even when fglrx is probably faster |
| 11:38.55 | RolandU | wols, chromium and neverball run at about 1 fps |
| 11:39.42 | whaq | my art teacher can draw faster than that |
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| 11:44.29 | lunitik | It doesn't even /notice you back... surely it should? |
| 11:44.47 | Jazon | has anyone had any luck with 3d and this: Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller X.Org 7.0.0 |
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| 11:45.00 | cusco | Jazon: me |
| 11:45.08 | Jazon | cusco: how? |
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| 11:45.56 | cusco | Jazon: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 11:46.23 | ram_einstein | how do I get svn (Subversion)? I tried getting python-svn, but it complains that "python-svn: Depends: python2.3-svn", the latter package being non-existant |
| 11:46.31 | cusco | Jazon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359328 |
| 11:47.01 | cusco | O followed the instructions of libor.klepac |
| 11:47.06 | cusco | I followed |
| 11:47.14 | wols | RolandU: get subversion |
| 11:47.25 | cusco | wols: tam |
| 11:47.28 | cusco | wols: ram_einstein |
| 11:47.29 | cusco | :P |
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| 11:48.09 | straycat | an advice for fans of linux distros: is there real significance in caring about new versions of a distro? it's mostly a face-lift of the FORM; if you really want to contribute to a public endeavor, join Wikipedia or MIT OCW; those are really about develoopment of useful CONTENT. |
| 11:48.11 | ram_einstein | wols: E: Package subversion has no installation candidate |
| 11:48.23 | wols | ram_einstein: on what branch are you? |
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| 11:48.40 | ram_einstein | wols: Etch |
| 11:49.23 | RolandU | wols, subversion? |
| 11:49.42 | wols | ram_einstein: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/subversion |
| 11:49.46 | wols | RolandU: missfire |
| 11:50.02 | wols | ram_einstein: so maybe your mirror is borken? |
| 11:50.50 | RolandU | wols, do you mean apt-get install subversion? |
| 11:51.27 | ram_einstein | wols: I'll check |
| 11:51.28 | wols | RolandU: nothing for you to do |
| 11:52.10 | RolandU | ah ok |
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| 11:53.32 | Jazon | cusco: yeah, i get segmentation faults when i run glxinfo |
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| 11:56.59 | RolandU | what can I do to get 3d working? |
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| 11:59.43 | ram_einstein | RolandU: which graphic card? both nvidia and ati require nonfree drivers for 3d to work seamlessly |
| 12:00.31 | RolandU | ram_einstein, yesterday it worked. it stopped working when I upgraded etch. I did never use any additional non-debian drivers |
| 12:00.42 | RolandU | ram_einstein, I use radeon 9200 |
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| 12:00.53 | shining | ram_einstein: radeon <=9200 work fine with dri |
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| 12:01.02 | ram_einstein | shining: I see |
| 12:01.17 | ram_einstein | RolandU: did you upgrade Xorg? |
| 12:01.25 | RolandU | yes |
| 12:01.32 | ram_einstein | and did you check if dri is loaded? |
| 12:01.36 | ram_einstein | lsmod | grep dri |
| 12:01.37 | shining | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting |
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| 12:04.22 | Codemaster_ | hi all, a quick and easy one, how do i get a list of services with status ? |
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| 12:04.47 | RolandU | ram_einstein, dri is not loaded |
| 12:05.00 | superlinux | guys |
| 12:05.07 | ram_einstein | RolandU: then modprobe dri |
| 12:05.16 | superlinux | I have sound a thing in samba package |
| 12:05.22 | superlinux | I have dound a thing in samba package |
| 12:05.25 | superlinux | *found |
| 12:05.29 | superlinux | pardon |
| 12:05.32 | panthera | *g |
| 12:05.59 | syntaxx | how can i apt-get install with having also the recommended packages? |
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| 12:06.27 | RolandU | ram_einstein, module dri was not found..... what package do I need? |
| 12:06.48 | superlinux | I had to make chmod o+rw /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb just to make joining the domain work |
| 12:07.04 | ram_einstein | RolandU: I'm sorry, I don't know about ATI drivers |
| 12:09.32 | ram_einstein | how do I pipe out stdout and stderr to the stdin of another app? |
| 12:09.33 | syntaxx | how can i apt-get install with having also the recommended packages? |
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| 12:10.42 | phaedrus44 | i fell dumb...but how to extract just a .tar? |
| 12:10.52 | phaedrus44 | tar -xvf ..? |
| 12:10.58 | Eclipser | tar xf |
| 12:10.58 | ram_einstein | phaedrus44: tar xvf foo.tar |
| 12:11.04 | phaedrus44 | cool thank |
| 12:13.47 | Codemaster_ | ls /etc/init.d gives me a list of services but how do i know they are running or not ? |
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| 12:14.36 | ram_einstein | Codemaster_: ps auxww | grep (procname) |
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| 12:15.14 | ram_einstein | Codemaster_: to check if the initscript was started, see if it's linked into the default runlevel |
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| 12:17.10 | jkp__ | hey guys |
| 12:17.21 | jkp__ | i installed a newer version of autoconf as needed by a source package im builing |
| 12:17.35 | jkp__ | then i changed the link in /etc/alternatives to point to it |
| 12:17.45 | jkp__ | (automake) |
| 12:18.00 | Codemaster_ | ram_einstein, thnxs i will look that way |
| 12:18.01 | jkp__ | but there are directories in /usr/share that need to be correct as well |
| 12:18.10 | ram_einstein | Codemaster_: np |
| 12:18.18 | jkp__ | i have for example aclocal aclocal-1.4 and aclocal-1.7 |
| 12:18.36 | jkp__ | what is the correct way to swap live autoconf / automake versions on a debian system? |
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| 12:22.08 | JoyFM | hi |
| 12:22.41 | JoyFM | what have i to do if i want install debian over network using the flopies |
| 12:23.13 | JoyFM | because i can ping the computer booted with the floppies but it can't download the files |
| 12:23.13 | cast | you read the install manual. |
| 12:23.43 | JoyFM | i didn't find any informtion about that in the installtion manual |
| 12:24.22 | JoyFM | because the network works |
| 12:24.35 | cast | probably a misconfigured ethernet i guess, does it know where the gateway and nameservers are? |
| 12:24.59 | JoyFM | i don't know how to setup a gateway/nameserver |
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| 12:29.07 | azeem | JoyFM: why can't you not download the files? Do you get an error message? |
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| 12:30.08 | JoyFM | azeem: it seems itcan't use the internet connection |
| 12:30.21 | azeem | "seems"ß? |
| 12:30.24 | JoyFM | and yes i get the error message that the debian mirror isn't available |
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| 12:30.38 | azeem | JoyFM: where in the installation procedure are you? |
| 12:30.51 | JoyFM | downloading the files |
| 12:30.57 | azeem | which files? |
| 12:31.15 | azeem | and which version of Debian are you installing? |
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| 12:31.21 | JoyFM | debian release files |
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| 12:32.11 | JoyFM | <azeem> and which version of Debian are you installing? <- sarge |
| 12:32.35 | azeem | and you really booted from a floppy disk? |
| 12:32.43 | JoyFM | but the problem is that i have to set up a getaway or something like that to connect to the internet fram another pc |
| 12:33.32 | JoyFM | <azeem> and you really booted from a floppy disk? <- yes i booted from floppy disks and if i ping the ip number of the "client" pc from my normal pc it works |
| 12:34.02 | azeem | JoyFM: you can't install sarge from floppy alone, what else did you do to start the installer? |
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| 12:35.05 | JoyFM | i put the 3 floppies into the floppy drive (boot.img root.img and net-drivers.img) |
| 12:35.34 | zophyx | ? |
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| 12:37.14 | JoyFM | is there anybody how knows how to share a internet connection a linux network? |
| 12:37.21 | DeepThought | I've got a prob with mounting an usb cardreader with the command mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/reader |
| 12:37.29 | azeem | JoyFM: are you sure that is sarge? Where did you download the floppy images from? |
| 12:37.48 | azeem | JoyFM: anyway, what kind of network hardware do you have? |
| 12:38.03 | azeem | and why can't you boot from CD? |
| 12:38.15 | JoyFM | azeem: i think we are talking at cross purposis |
| 12:38.25 | azeem | could be |
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| 12:38.34 | JoyFM | azeem: because the other pc is laptop and has no cd-rom drive |
| 12:38.41 | azeem | ok |
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| 12:38.54 | DeepThought | it sais:mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
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| 12:39.02 | DeepThought | whats wrong? |
| 12:40.03 | jkp__ | whats the recommended X11 package for debian now? |
| 12:40.11 | ram_einstein | I'm running debian Etch with ftp.debian.org in my sources.list. I can't seem to get subversion. Output of (sudo apt-cache search subversion | grep ^subversion && sudo apt-get install subversion) is here: http://en.pastebin.ca/83177 |
| 12:40.33 | jkp__ | or more to the point, if you have a bare bones system installed from the ftp installer, what is the best route to a working X? |
| 12:40.41 | azeem | JoyFM: do you have DHCP setup in your network? |
| 12:40.47 | JoyFM | no |
| 12:40.48 | ram_einstein | jkp__: apt-get install xorg |
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| 12:41.01 | azeem | jkp__: which version of Debian? |
| 12:41.06 | jkp__ | erm... |
| 12:41.14 | jkp__ | i always forget the darned name |
| 12:41.18 | jkp__ | whats the latest stable one? |
| 12:41.24 | azeem | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:41.27 | ram_einstein | jkp__: unstable |
| 12:41.32 | azeem | ram_einstein: huh? |
| 12:41.34 | ram_einstein | uh. Stable |
| 12:41.41 | ram_einstein | sarge |
| 12:41.44 | jkp__ | azeem: 3.1 |
| 12:41.49 | jkp__ | sarge yes |
| 12:41.50 | azeem | jkp__: run tasksel as root and select the desktop task |
| 12:42.30 | dvs | DeepThought: look in /var/log/messages for the device name. |
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| 12:42.38 | azeem | JoyFM: so you are in this ncurses based installer, it asked you about your keyboard configuration etc. and now wants to install the base system but can't download the release filesß |
| 12:42.42 | azeem | ? |
| 12:42.55 | jkp__ | azeem: i didnt really want all of that |
| 12:43.00 | jkp__ | i just wanted a basic X install |
| 12:43.01 | JoyFM | azeem: yes |
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| 12:43.13 | jkp__ | im trying to do some development with some enlightenment libs |
| 12:43.17 | JoyFM | and i set up the network manual (tipped ip adresses and so on) |
| 12:43.18 | ram_einstein | jplibre: apt-get install xorg |
| 12:43.20 | azeem | JoyFM: are you familiar with ifconfig and route and so? |
| 12:43.21 | jkp__ | this si gonna install all kinds of stuff! |
| 12:43.25 | azeem | JoyFM: ok |
| 12:43.29 | sjau | My apache just keeps failing after some time and when I do a restart it won't work. I just get that here: root@t390:/var/log/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 12:43.29 | sjau | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:443 |
| 12:43.29 | sjau | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 12:43.29 | sjau | Unable to open logs |
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| 12:43.44 | ram_einstein | wow! tasksel is an amazingly nice for newbies |
| 12:43.46 | azeem | jkp__: then apt-get install x-window-system-core plus a window manager you like |
| 12:43.49 | sjau | anyone can help |
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| 12:43.57 | jkp__ | azeem: ta |
| 12:44.06 | JoyFM | azeem: but the thing is i don't how to set up my "normal" machine to share its internet connection |
| 12:44.16 | azeem | JoyFM: ah, ok |
| 12:44.20 | jkp__ | altready installed that actually |
| 12:44.22 | jkp__ | heh |
| 12:44.27 | azeem | JoyFM: that normal machine is running Debian as well? |
| 12:44.31 | JoyFM | yes |
| 12:44.34 | JoyFM | debain sid |
| 12:44.44 | azeem | JoyFM: what is your internet connection? dialup? |
| 12:44.51 | JoyFM | pppoe |
| 12:44.59 | zophyx | JoyFM: |
| 12:45.01 | abrotman | sjau: something might already be on port 80 |
| 12:45.16 | azeem | !info ipmasq sid |
| 12:45.19 | ram_einstein | I'm running debian Etch with ftp.debian.org in my sources.list. I can't seem to get subversion. Output of $ (sudo apt-cache search subversion | grep ^subversion && sudo apt-get install subversion) is here: http://en.pastebin.ca/83177. Are my repos broken or worse, is my system broken? |
| 12:45.21 | dpkg | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.8-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 12:45.25 | azeem | JoyFM: ^^ that looks best for you purpose |
| 12:45.45 | abrotman | ram_einstein: i think it's called svn |
| 12:45.46 | azeem | JoyFM: not sure, but it might make it work out of the box |
| 12:45.59 | JoyFM | ok i'll try |
| 12:46.21 | abrotman | !info subversion etch |
| 12:46.29 | dpkg | subversion: (advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.2.3dfsg1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 903 kB, Installed size: 2908 kB |
| 12:46.44 | ram_einstein | abrotman: no exact matches for svn |
| 12:46.52 | dvs | It's up to version 1.2.3 already? That's fast. |
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| 12:47.46 | abrotman | ram_einstein: i'm on etch .. i can install subversion |
| 12:47.57 | JoyFM | azeem: yes it works ... realy great ^^ |
| 12:48.13 | ram_einstein | abrotman: please look at my output then. I don't know what's wrong |
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| 12:48.24 | azeem | cool |
| 12:48.28 | ram_einstein | here: http://en.pastebin.ca/83177 |
| 12:48.33 | abrotman | ram_einstein: apt-get update && apt-get install subversion |
| 12:48.37 | abrotman | i saw it |
| 12:49.22 | ram_einstein | abrotman: I'll paste you the output of that presently |
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| 12:50.17 | ram_einstein | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:50.17 | ram_einstein | is only available from another source |
| 12:50.17 | ram_einstein | E: Package subversion has no installation candidate |
| 12:50.32 | ram_einstein | abrotman: that's the output |
| 12:50.58 | abrotman | ram_einstein: paste the contents of `apt-cache policy subversion` |
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| 12:51.05 | JoyFM | thx azeem |
| 12:51.29 | ram_einstein | abrotman: :) I found the problem. It's going to the sid repos to get it! |
| 12:51.39 | abrotman | ram_einstein: that's what you get for mixing |
| 12:51.45 | ram_einstein | abrotman: I created a half-baked pin kind of thing |
| 12:51.52 | abrotman | oh goodie |
| 12:51.59 | ram_einstein | abrotman: to get just ONE package from sid |
| 12:52.06 | ram_einstein | apparently, it failed |
| 12:52.08 | abrotman | bad bad bad |
| 12:52.19 | abrotman | !punish ram_einstein |
| 12:52.37 | ram_einstein | you didn't have to hit me that hard! |
| 12:52.46 | ram_einstein | abrotman: shall I remove sid altogether? |
| 12:52.54 | abrotman | probably |
| 12:53.12 | abrotman | though if you didn't do the pinning correctly .. there's no telling how much of sid you're running |
| 12:53.26 | ram_einstein | damn it |
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| 12:53.36 | ram_einstein | I did it in a hurry actually |
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| 12:54.41 | seeds | when etch becomes stable how do you upgrade from sarge? |
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| 12:55.51 | ram_einstein | seeds: sudo sed 's/sarge/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:55.57 | abrotman | !tell seeds about sarge->etch |
| 12:56.12 | seeds | k |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | ram_einstein: you forgot a step or two :) |
| 12:56.48 | ram_einstein | not really... |
| 12:56.57 | abrotman | that pesky dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:57.33 | ram_einstein | abrotman: sudo sed 's/sarge/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:57.37 | ram_einstein | happy? |
| 12:57.45 | abrotman | you forgot to apt-get update |
| 12:58.09 | seeds | lol |
| 12:58.14 | ram_einstein | abrotman: sudo sed 's/sarge/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:58.17 | ram_einstein | happy? |
| 12:58.24 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 12:58.47 | ram_einstein | abrotman: can I PM paste you my /etc/apt/preferences? I don't know what's wrong with it |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | ram_einstein`only took you three tries :) |
| 12:58.54 | abrotman | !paster |
| 12:58.55 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 12:59.20 | ram_einstein | have it your way then |
| 12:59.39 | abrotman | what .. it was ok the first time .. but not now ? |
| 12:59.41 | ram_einstein | http://en.pastebin.ca/83183 |
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| 13:00.04 | spaceboyy | hi, I am looking for someone(that is trustworthy) that would consider doing a VPN with me. We could share each others resources etc. Anyone want to ?? |
| 13:00.13 | ram_einstein | abrotman: no, no. The preferences file was never okay |
| 13:00.19 | ram_einstein | I wanted the new emacs from sid |
| 13:00.27 | ram_einstein | I still don't have the mtty version :( |
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| 13:00.30 | ram_einstein | and I want it badly |
| 13:00.42 | abrotman | spaceboyy: are you insane? |
| 13:00.51 | SlayerXP | spaceboyy: or phrased another way "Hello, complete stranger, please have unrestricted access to my home network, I enjpy being a spam zombie." |
| 13:00.53 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 13:00.53 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 13:00.53 | spaceboyy | abrotman, no, why? |
| 13:01.02 | ram_einstein | ~ |
| 13:01.05 | SlayerXP | enjoy |
| 13:01.06 | ram_einstein | what's wrong with mine? |
| 13:01.10 | spaceboyy | SlayerXP, not really, why |
| 13:01.10 | ram_einstein | it looks okay to me |
| 13:01.20 | abrotman | spaceboyy: and why do you keep asking non-debian questions here ? |
| 13:01.25 | SlayerXP | spaceboyy: you are insane. |
| 13:01.29 | abrotman | or stupid |
| 13:02.21 | spaceboyy | looks like the wrong channel then |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | like every other time you ask a stupid question here |
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| 13:03.14 | spaceboyy | define stupid |
| 13:03.19 | spaceboyy | wtf anyway |
| 13:03.26 | spaceboyy | cya |
| 13:03.27 | abrotman | last week it was "Please please nmap my system" |
| 13:03.35 | abrotman | today it's "VPN with me" |
| 13:03.59 | ram_einstein | it's still not okay |
| 13:04.12 | ram_einstein | subversion: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) |
| 13:04.16 | spaceboyy | abrotman, good god |
| 13:04.28 | spaceboyy | abrotman, why not, making freinds is nice |
| 13:04.31 | ram_einstein | how on earth do I install subversion!? |
| 13:04.39 | SlayerXP | ram_einstein: apt-get install subversion |
| 13:04.54 | SlayerXP | if that doesn't work, you screwed up your sources |
| 13:05.02 | ram_einstein | SlayerXP: I'm not insane or stupid, thank you |
| 13:05.07 | ram_einstein | I think the latter is true then |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | spaceboyy: this is not a channel to make friends |
| 13:05.23 | amphi | heh |
| 13:05.23 | SlayerXP | ram_einstein: i didn't say you were |
| 13:05.30 | ram_einstein | it says "candidate: (none)" there |
| 13:05.31 | spaceboyy | abrotman, as I have gathered |
| 13:05.36 | ram_einstein | how can I install it then? |
| 13:05.42 | SlayerXP | ram_einstein: so you've screwed up your sources |
| 13:05.48 | wols | ram_einstein: which mirror do you use? when did you last run apt-get update? |
| 13:05.51 | abrotman | ram_einstein: you have to fix your preferences |
| 13:05.55 | abrotman | which you never pasted |
| 13:06.02 | ram_einstein | abrotman: I removed the file |
| 13:06.04 | spaceboyy | cya |
| 13:06.08 | abrotman | that doesn't fix it |
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| 13:06.13 | abrotman | yay! |
| 13:06.15 | ram_einstein | wols: I ran one just now |
| 13:06.24 | ram_einstein | abrotman: what? oh no |
| 13:06.29 | wols | ram_einstein: and what is your mirror? |
| 13:06.48 | ram_einstein | wols: ftp.debian.org |
| 13:06.49 | ram_einstein | Etch |
| 13:07.26 | ram_einstein | http://en.pastebin.ca/83189 << my preferences file |
| 13:07.34 | ram_einstein | I rewrote it exactly |
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| 13:07.50 | abrotman | so you pinned everything to unstable ? |
| 13:08.05 | ram_einstein | OMG! |
| 13:08.11 | wols | and wonder why nothing works anymore? |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | WTFBBQ |
| 13:08.14 | ram_einstein | that should've read resting |
| 13:08.15 | dvs | -1 should be 990 right? |
| 13:08.25 | beardy | ddh_base [n=erere@CPE-124-178-35-87.wa.bigpond.net.au] were spammers |
| 13:08.26 | ram_einstein | shit, I messed up completely |
| 13:08.35 | ram_einstein | *testing |
| 13:08.35 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 13:09.04 | ram_einstein | abrotman: how do I fix my system now? first, let that second "unstable" read "testing" |
| 13:09.07 | ram_einstein | next? |
| 13:09.09 | beardy | and they're still online |
| 13:09.14 | abrotman | ram_einstein: fix it to do what? |
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| 13:09.30 | abrotman | beardy: no staff online! |
| 13:09.49 | ram_einstein | abrotman: to install subversion now from testing |
| 13:09.58 | abrotman | but you're running unstable now |
| 13:09.58 | ram_einstein | abrotman: and a LOT of stuff doesn't work anymore |
| 13:10.04 | beardy | abrotman: oh, it's sunday, nevermind.. Guess what they run as client? |
| 13:10.11 | ram_einstein | abrotman: oh dear god |
| 13:10.12 | abrotman | mirc??!?! |
| 13:10.16 | beardy | Yep.. |
| 13:10.21 | abrotman | ram_einstein: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:10.22 | ram_einstein | abrotman: I didn't apt-get dist-upgrade after that |
| 13:10.36 | lunitik | abrotman: he pinned all to unstable because there is no priority higher for testing/sarge correct? |
| 13:10.39 | jkp__ | azeem: is there another package for the X11 headers and stuff? |
| 13:10.45 | ram_einstein | 2.3.6-13 << isn't that testing? |
| 13:10.59 | ram_einstein | lunitik: no, by mistake |
| 13:10.59 | abrotman | ram_einstein: oh wait .. i thikn you did do it right |
| 13:11.02 | lunitik | !info subversion sarge |
| 13:11.09 | dpkg | subversion: (advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.1.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 953 kB, Installed size: 2856 kB |
| 13:11.31 | azeem | jkp__: yes |
| 13:11.33 | jkp__ | x-dev ? |
| 13:11.34 | abrotman | bah .. your whole system is out of date |
| 13:11.37 | ram_einstein | abrotman: sure? oh yeah, everything else in unstable is -1 |
| 13:11.38 | azeem | jkp__: no |
| 13:11.43 | azeem | jkp__: libx11-dev et al. |
| 13:11.54 | jkp__ | azeem: ta muchly |
| 13:11.55 | abrotman | ram_einstein: that version of libc6 isn't in etch or sid |
| 13:12.05 | ram_einstein | abrotman: WTH!??????? |
| 13:12.10 | abrotman | OMG! |
| 13:12.18 | ram_einstein | abrotman: what am I supposed to do now? |
| 13:12.36 | abrotman | you should have spaceboyy do a VPN with you and then you can share stuff |
| 13:12.36 | lunitik | !info libc6 etch |
| 13:12.37 | azeem | jkp__: and so on for the other X libs |
| 13:12.39 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4620 kB, Installed size: 11168 kB |
| 13:12.45 | ram_einstein | ROFL |
| 13:12.51 | jkp__ | azeem: for example? |
| 13:12.51 | abrotman | ram_einstein: apt-cache policy libc6 .. what does it say? |
| 13:13.01 | azeem | libxext-dev |
| 13:13.04 | azeem | libxt-dev |
| 13:13.12 | jkp__ | it did those for me |
| 13:13.17 | azeem | good |
| 13:13.42 | ram_einstein | abrotman: http://en.pastebin.ca/83191 |
| 13:13.58 | ram_einstein | I reverted the preferences file back to the original thing. I think it was fine |
| 13:14.16 | ram_einstein | http://en.pastebin.ca/83189 << this is my /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:14.38 | dvs | ram_einstein: so, everything is unstable? |
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| 13:14.46 | abrotman | ram_einstein: apt-get update && apt-get install subversion .. doesn't work ? |
| 13:14.55 | ph_softnet | Im making my own ubuntu packages repository.Where do i put architecture-independed packages?dists/<mydist>/<mysection>/binary-all/ ??? |
| 13:15.04 | abrotman | ph_softnet: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:15.16 | ph_softnet | its not ubuntu specific.. |
| 13:15.18 | SlayerXP | ph_softnet: /part #debian; /join #ubuntu |
| 13:15.24 | ram_einstein | dvs: *shrug* |
| 13:15.33 | ram_einstein | abrotman: please wait |
| 13:15.33 | ph_softnet | guys!calm down..im a debian user too |
| 13:15.50 | abrotman | dvs: looks like he got it right .. most people don't use < 0 .. i misread it the first time |
| 13:15.51 | ph_softnet | its something apt- specific and i thought i'd ask because debian people are more reliable and experienced.. |
| 13:16.00 | abrotman | ph_softnet: you're asking about UBUNTU .. go to #ubuntu |
| 13:18.12 | ph_softnet | actually it's not about ubuntu.Let's say its a debian repository, with my own distro and my own sections.(In fact, debian workstations will be using this repository more than ubuntu ones).Im reading the "Debian Repository Howto" and i dont understand where i put architecture independed packages. |
| 13:18.13 | ram_einstein | abrotman: no installation candidate |
| 13:18.15 | ram_einstein | it failed again |
| 13:18.30 | abrotman | ram_einstein: apt-cache policy subversion |
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| 13:18.35 | wols | ph_softnet: come back when you run debian. right now your question is offtopic |
| 13:18.49 | abrotman | ph_softnet: go to #ubuntu please |
| 13:19.09 | ph_softnet | ok ok |
| 13:19.21 | ram_einstein | abrotman: 1.3.2-3 0 |
| 13:19.22 | ram_einstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.38 | ph_softnet | linux users.. |
| 13:19.48 | abrotman | ubuntu users ... |
| 13:19.55 | abrotman | ram_einstein: that's it ? |
| 13:19.56 | Ronin | nice to see its ssdd here even though i was gone for 2 weeks |
| 13:20.07 | ram_einstein | abrotman: yes |
| 13:20.07 | ph_softnet | actually im using freebsd for the past 7 years.. |
| 13:20.11 | abrotman | Ronin: did the polar bears take you away ? |
| 13:20.16 | lunitik | Ronin: ssdd? |
| 13:20.18 | ph_softnet | im just administering an ubuntu network.. |
| 13:20.22 | lunitik | Ronin: nm |
| 13:20.23 | abrotman | !SSDD |
| 13:20.23 | dpkg | [ssdd] Same Shit Different Day |
| 13:20.27 | Ronin | abrotman: heh i wish, was on vacation |
| 13:20.40 | Ronin | i now need a vacation to get over my vacation :) |
| 13:21.04 | lunitik | ph_softnet: I'm confused... what part about "ask in #ubuntu" don't you understand... besides... they _do_ have a better community after all... |
| 13:21.21 | abrotman | yeah .. we're mean people or something |
| 13:21.32 | ram_einstein | lol |
| 13:21.33 | abrotman | not supporting stuff we don't know anything about .. jeez |
| 13:21.33 | dvs | !lart abrotman |
| 13:21.35 | wols | abrotman: "grumpy old farts" is what you mean |
| 13:21.38 | dvs | see? |
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| 13:22.25 | ram_einstein | abrotman: I'm trying a dist-upgrade now |
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| 13:22.25 | wols | ram_einstein: don't |
| 13:22.28 | dvs | ram_einstein: you want sid? |
| 13:22.37 | abrotman | he wants subversion :) |
| 13:22.39 | ph_softnet | im not going to argue with you guys for whatever problems you may have with ubuntu or whatever...i just wanted to ask a simple question about apt. |
| 13:22.58 | wols | ph_softnet: you're arguing since you're here. can't you argue in #ubuntu instead? |
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| 13:23.35 | ph_softnet | dude...how old are you?! |
| 13:23.39 | ph_softnet | bye.. |
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| 13:23.46 | ram_einstein | wols && dvs: Why? what's wrong? |
| 13:24.03 | dvs | ram_einstein: if you do a dist-upgrade, you will install sid/unstable |
| 13:24.04 | wols | ram_einstein: cause if apt-cache policy is any indication, you will then run sid. |
| 13:24.07 | wols | do you really want that? |
| 13:24.11 | dvs | ram_einstein: as your setting stand now. |
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| 13:24.49 | ram_einstein | wols && dvs: No, I don't want sid *shudder* |
| 13:24.52 | jkp__ | anyone know what file you would generally pass to --with-freetype-config ? |
| 13:24.52 | ram_einstein | what should I do? |
| 13:24.58 | wols | ram_einstein: what is in your sources.list? you earlier said ftp.debian.org, but you lied, it's ftp.au.debian.org. what other things didn't you say? |
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| 13:25.02 | abrotman | wols: he might already be there |
| 13:25.12 | dvs | ram_einstein: change /etc/apt/preferences and sources.list |
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| 13:25.29 | jkp__ | no - its ok |
| 13:25.31 | jkp__ | jut |
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| 13:25.36 | jkp__ | just had to recofigure |
| 13:25.44 | ram_einstein | dvs: currently http://en.pastebin.ca/83201 |
| 13:25.50 | ram_einstein | wols: currently http://en.pastebin.ca/83201 |
| 13:25.56 | ram_einstein | wols: is that a lie really? |
| 13:26.09 | ram_einstein | it's just the same thing. Both are official mirrors |
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| 13:26.27 | wols | your preferences still have unstable for all packages... didn't everyone tell you to change that? |
| 13:26.33 | abrotman | those lying aussies |
| 13:26.39 | abrotman | wols: no .. it's a -1 |
| 13:26.47 | ram_einstein | wols: no, -1 is fine |
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| 13:26.59 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.04 | ram_einstein | wols: I must have put it in a long time back and forgotten about it anyway |
| 13:27.07 | ram_einstein | abrotman: Right. |
| 13:27.38 | mne | is anyone using the hostap driver ? I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.17-1-k7 and have problems building the driver (using the hostap-source package). I use "./debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux" to build it. build is stopped with the error: "/Makefile.build:17: /driver/modules/Makefile: No such file or directory" |
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| 13:28.24 | ram_einstein | abrotman && dvs && wols: What should I do? Should I edit any file for a start? will a dist-upgrade help? |
| 13:28.36 | abrotman | sid down and have a good cry |
| 13:28.41 | abrotman | sit |
| 13:28.50 | dvs | abrotman: how appropriate. |
| 13:28.59 | abrotman | ram_einstein: if you just run a regular upgrade .. what does it want to upgrade? |
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| 13:29.02 | ram_einstein | My pins were fine |
| 13:29.21 | ram_einstein | abrotman: a lot of things |
| 13:29.33 | abrotman | like ... |
| 13:29.55 | ram_einstein | bison, binutils, automake, firefox, file |
| 13:30.00 | ram_einstein | these caught my eye |
| 13:30.06 | lunitik | abrotman: his libc6 seems to be from sarge? so I don't think he ever upgrade and dist-upgrade'd |
| 13:30.18 | ram_einstein | wget, libc6 |
| 13:30.24 | ram_einstein | xorg-dev |
| 13:30.36 | wols | ram_einstein: what would the new libc6 version be after upgrade? |
| 13:30.38 | abrotman | lunitik: it's not even close to from sarge |
| 13:30.39 | ram_einstein | passwd, gcc |
| 13:30.44 | lunitik | ram_einstein: your libc6 candidate is from etch |
| 13:31.04 | abrotman | sid and etch have the same libc6 currently |
| 13:31.13 | lunitik | abrotman: hmm.. oh |
| 13:31.14 | ram_einstein | wols: the current etch |
| 13:31.20 | ram_einstein | abrotman: I see |
| 13:31.22 | dvs | ram_einstein: and sit |
| 13:31.24 | dvs | sid |
| 13:31.26 | ram_einstein | lunitik: yes, that is correct |
| 13:31.30 | cusco | testing users... any problems with gnome-panel? |
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| 13:31.39 | cusco | my gnomepannel is taking 92% of my cpu |
| 13:31.41 | abrotman | cusco: mine works |
| 13:31.43 | ram_einstein | GNOME!? who uses shit like that? |
| 13:31.51 | cusco | :| |
| 13:31.51 | abrotman | better than KDE!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:31.55 | lunitik | ram_einstein: check other candidates and see if they are from etch or sid first imo |
| 13:32.11 | ram_einstein | lunitik: like what? |
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| 13:32.26 | lunitik | ram_einstein: like something other than subversion that it wants to upgrade |
| 13:32.36 | abrotman | ram_einstein: apt-cache policy gcc |
| 13:32.40 | ram_einstein | lunitik: okay, I'll check binutils |
| 13:32.41 | lunitik | SlayerXP: thats uncalled for! |
| 13:32.46 | concept10 | is rsync faster than ssh for backups? |
| 13:32.47 | wols | ram_einstein: delete all files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 13:32.51 | wols | then apt-get update again |
| 13:32.51 | lunitik | SlayerXP: and thats coming from a KDE user :o |
| 13:32.52 | abrotman | SlayerXP: that's not nice |
| 13:33.00 | ram_einstein | http://en.pastebin.ca/83204 |
| 13:33.02 | ram_einstein | for gcc |
| 13:33.08 | LinuxHelp | whats the best way to copy a dvd-rom to the hd? I need to be able to mount the file after I copy it: A) cp /dev/hdc ~/mydvd B) cat /dev/hdc > ~/mydvd ?? |
| 13:33.20 | lunitik | !info gcc |
| 13:33.23 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:4.1.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 13:33.24 | ram_einstein | wols: how does that help? |
| 13:33.28 | wols | concept10: ask a question that makes sense. "is linux more green than a toyota?" is what you basically asked |
| 13:33.31 | abrotman | ram_einstein: apt-get install gcc .. says what ? |
| 13:33.49 | SlayerXP | abrotman: could have been worse, could have been errrm, whatsitsface, the one where you compile stuff all the time instead of doing work |
| 13:33.52 | wols | ram_einstein: it forces apt to update all its lists with fresh ones |
| 13:33.55 | ram_einstein | gcc is already the newest version. |
| 13:34.05 | ram_einstein | wols: okay, I'll do that |
| 13:34.17 | wols | hopefully a list which this time includes svn |
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| 13:34.23 | SlayerXP | gentoo |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | SlayerXP: freebsd? |
| 13:34.33 | concept10 | wols, i would have specified the file size but as always, I will just go with my first mind and just do it. |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | bah .. just let him do the upgrade .. what's the worst that happens .. he starts running sid :) |
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| 13:35.10 | wols | concept10: rsync and ssh are different programs doing totally different things. one is never a substitute for the other |
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| 13:35.40 | lunitik | concept10: neither rsync or ssh are for backing up data, you realize this, correct? |
| 13:35.42 | LinuxHelp | apparently this would make an ISO: dd if=/dev/dvd of=~/mydvd.iso conv=noerror,notrunc,sync but I need something where the file on hard disk is indentical |
| 13:35.46 | concept10 | wols, i meant sftp |
| 13:35.51 | ram_einstein | currently, I'm running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install subversion |
| 13:35.59 | ram_einstein | I hope the issue is fixed |
| 13:36.09 | ram_einstein | it takes a long time though on my slow connection |
| 13:36.14 | wols | hmmm I wonder if upgrading from gcc 4.0.4 to 4.1 to avoid a bug compiling xfs in the kernel was a good idea |
| 13:36.21 | abrotman | you forgot .. && apt-get install subversion |
| 13:36.22 | lunitik | concept10: sftp doesn't do backups either |
| 13:36.36 | concept10 | lunitik, you may use rsync for backup. dont act like a pro if you dont know what youre talking about |
| 13:36.41 | ram_einstein | abrotman: no I didn't! |
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| 13:36.50 | ram_einstein | 19:08 < ram_einstein> currently, I'm running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install subversion |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | ram_einstein: you keep missing steps! ... you're fired |
| 13:37.04 | wols | concept10: likewise. also read more carefully. he said sftp, not rsync |
| 13:37.06 | lunitik | concept10: rsync is for syncing sites locally |
| 13:37.12 | abrotman | dvs: i don't have my contacts in yet :) |
| 13:37.24 | abrotman | lunitik: you can use rsync for backup |
| 13:37.24 | ram_einstein | abrotman: what's wrong? what did I miss? |
| 13:37.31 | concept10 | wols, <lunitik> concept10: neither rsync or ssh are for backing up data, you realize this, correct? |
| 13:37.34 | wols | lunitik: no. it can do it via network too. has even TLS |
| 13:37.38 | abrotman | ram_einstein: i'm giving you a hard time .. cross your fingers |
| 13:37.49 | ram_einstein | abrotman: you sure are :P |
| 13:37.55 | eleftherios | how can I mount a usb drive on Etch? |
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| 13:38.10 | ram_einstein | it'll take about two hours. I'll come back later if I can and tell you if it worked |
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| 13:38.19 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 13:38.24 | concept10 | wols, lunitik http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/examples.html |
| 13:38.26 | saftsack | howto install a network bridge beetwen 2 network devices? |
| 13:38.28 | dvs | eleftherios: put it in. look at the /var/log/messages file to see what device it becomes |
| 13:38.32 | ram_einstein | abrotman: 256 kbps |
| 13:38.34 | abrotman | !tell eleftherios about vfatrw |
| 13:38.35 | ram_einstein | is SLOW |
| 13:38.39 | ruben | Hi, I can have two 'networks' int the same switch like 172.16.0.0/24 and 10.0.0.0/24 ? |
| 13:38.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:39.12 | eleftherios | abrotman, the drive I am mounting is ext3 (trying to take backups from a failed laptop) |
| 13:39.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:39.38 | abrotman | eleftherios: plug it in .. load the same modules .. but mount as vfatrw |
| 13:39.40 | eleftherios | abrotman, I got an extrenal 2.5" usb case for the drive |
| 13:39.43 | abrotman | erm .. ext3 |
| 13:39.52 | eleftherios | abrotman, thank you |
| 13:39.56 | eleftherios | dvs, thank you |
| 13:40.05 | concept10 | wols, lunitik : you guys are crumbs. Why dont you try and help people instead of arguing about useless knowledge? |
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| 13:40.20 | abrotman | concept10: what's the problem? |
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| 13:40.26 | eleftherios | abrotman, hm, what modules should I load?? |
| 13:40.29 | concept10 | abrotman, no problem |
| 13:40.30 | ram_einstein | !punish abrotman for punishing ram_einstein earlier for no fault of his |
| 13:40.51 | ram_einstein | free AOL CD. How insulting is that? :P |
| 13:40.55 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 13:40.56 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 13:41.07 | beardy | !punish ram_einstein for abusing an old man |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | ram_einstein: it is your fault ... keep your system up to date :) |
| 13:42.03 | ram_einstein | okay, thanks all for the support |
| 13:42.06 | ram_einstein | I gotta run |
| 13:42.07 | abrotman | i wish i had eggs and juice |
| 13:42.08 | ram_einstein | Later. |
| 13:42.11 | ram_einstein | ~ |
| 13:42.27 | eleftherios | hm, modprobe usb-storage & sd_mod but no drive appears. |
| 13:42.56 | eleftherios | lsusb only shows my mouse |
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| 13:43.17 | abrotman | is the drive turned on? |
| 13:43.24 | eleftherios | abrotman, yes |
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| 13:46.12 | concept10 | i see that the peanut gallery shut up |
| 13:46.38 | abrotman | HA! |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | you can use rsync over ssh |
| 13:47.06 | abrotman | but wait .. why woudl you do that .. rsync isn't for backing up data! |
| 13:47.14 | pingouin | is there a way to receive mails from Exchange, in a windows microsoft environement , running a debian ? |
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| 13:48.06 | lunitik | pingouin: evolution certainly supports that, and I think Kontact does too... |
| 13:48.24 | abrotman | pingouin: there is pop3/imap .. and the exchange-connector for evolution |
| 13:48.55 | pingouin | lunitik: thanks you for the clue, thanks also abrotman |
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| 13:50.02 | Bl0tz4 | Hi everybody! |
| 13:50.17 | abrotman | hi doctor bob |
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| 13:50.29 | lunitik | pingouin: aptitude search exchange would have enlightened you too ;) |
| 13:50.36 | eleftherios | I hope the drive isn't dead... |
| 13:51.13 | pingouin | lunitik: surely, but you did a better job ;) thanks anyway |
| 13:51.25 | abrotman | Electric1lf: maybe the usb ports are bad! |
| 13:51.35 | abrotman | i bet he doesn't care abou tthat ... |
| 13:51.38 | abrotman | eleftherios: ^^ |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | Electric1lf: misfire .. sorry |
| 13:53.05 | Bl0tz4 | I got a "hdparm -S 36 /dev/hdb" in /etc/hdparm.conf and the drive go to sleep OK, but when GNOME is on; the drive doesn't want to go to sleep. Any idea? |
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| 13:55.21 | abrotman | lunitik: would you like me to speculate on the quality of KDE software? |
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| 13:55.54 | lunitik | abrotman: it works fine... I just don't understand the packaging... |
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| 13:56.09 | lunitik | abrotman: certainly better than Totem :x |
| 13:56.26 | abrotman | lunitik: amazing .. since they can USE THE SAME BACKEND |
| 13:56.27 | abrotman | tard |
| 13:56.45 | lunitik | abrotman: by default, totem uses gstreamer actually |
| 13:56.56 | abrotman | now it does .. in sarge it didn't |
| 13:57.05 | abrotman | and totem can still use xine .. just like kaffiene |
| 13:57.45 | lunitik | abrotman: actually, stand corrected again, totem depends totem-xine | totem-gstreamer |
| 13:57.59 | abrotman | i said that |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | you can use one or the other |
| 13:58.30 | abrotman | though .. i thought they'd switched to gstreamer being the depend it would use .. but guess not |
| 13:58.43 | lunitik | abrotman: aptitude install totem would install totem-xine unless totem-gstreamer is installed... so I was wrong about it being the default... |
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| 13:59.01 | abrotman | so .. kaffiene isn't better than totem? :) |
| 13:59.17 | lunitik | abrotman: no, it still is... just both use Xine |
| 13:59.29 | abrotman | tard |
| 13:59.31 | r | hi |
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| 13:59.41 | r | how can i easy upgrade bind8 to bind9 on debian 3.1 |
| 13:59.59 | lunitik | abrotman: I've certainly never managed to get Totem to play a DVD for example |
| 14:00.01 | abrotman | apt-get install bind9 ? |
| 14:00.07 | lunitik | (and I've tried, a lot) |
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| 14:00.12 | r | can i screw my dns |
| 14:00.14 | abrotman | lunitik: works for me |
| 14:00.24 | r | must i rewrite config files again |
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| 14:00.45 | concept10 | which are you using lunitik xine or gstreamer? |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | i don't remember if bind8 uses a different format .. it's been so long simce i used it |
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| 14:00.56 | lunitik | abrotman: just regionset and libdvdcss2 ? |
| 14:00.58 | abrotman | #dns might know |
| 14:01.05 | abrotman | lunitik: libdvdread ? |
| 14:01.07 | Arctangent | greetings all.... |
| 14:01.22 | jkp__ | guys |
| 14:01.24 | r | tnx |
| 14:01.32 | jkp__ | im having some trouble installing some python modules i built |
| 14:01.33 | lunitik | concept10: I use xine via kaffeine... abrotman is the poor soul using totem ;) |
| 14:01.35 | jkp__ | http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/freevo-2.0/Kaa#head-20e9588145f193b39b21fc82a3f3348c2e0969fc |
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| 14:01.48 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm smart enough to figure it out .. unlike you |
| 14:01.51 | Bushmills | totem is much better now than it was 3 years ago |
| 14:02.02 | jkp__ | i can get them all to build |
| 14:02.05 | lunitik | abrotman: I figured out Kaffeine :/ |
| 14:02.10 | abrotman | Bushmills: ignore lunitik .. he's biased against working software |
| 14:02.20 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.28 | concept10 | ive used totem-xine for two years, it works for dvds |
| 14:02.29 | azeem | jkp__: well, decribe your problem with it |
| 14:02.48 | jkp__ | yeah, sorry, was messaged by someone |
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| 14:02.58 | abrotman | jkp__: spam ? |
| 14:02.59 | lunitik | abrotman: libdvdread isn't even installed currently, yet I have functional DVD playback |
| 14:03.11 | concept10 | as long as the dma is set to on on the dvd player |
| 14:03.12 | abrotman | lunitik: because you're using marillat |
| 14:03.16 | jkp__ | ok - the issue is that to get them to build i have to set PYTHONPATH=/opt/local/lib |
| 14:03.26 | azeem | euh |
| 14:03.31 | azeem | did you install python there? |
| 14:03.35 | jkp__ | because i installed the dependencies there so as not to contaminate my main trees |
| 14:03.45 | azeem | ok |
| 14:03.45 | jkp__ | azeem: no, python is a default install |
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| 14:03.54 | jkp__ | but the libraries im testing are there |
| 14:04.12 | lunitik | abrotman: yes... DVD playback via libdvdread4 (I think is version in sid) has never worked for me though :( |
| 14:04.21 | jkp__ | it needs those libs to build the modules, and i know that that is working because without the path the things that depend on the libs fail to build |
| 14:04.21 | Arctangent | been using linux for some time, various distros, and looking to make the move to full debian away from a debianish distro...need some of the newer stuff that isnt available on that other distro due to some screwy things they did. Question is, how stable is the unstable etch? |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | lunitik: must be you .. works fine here |
| 14:04.45 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.46 | wols | sid is |
| 14:04.57 | lunitik | abrotman: It'd be cool if I could figure out how to use it... then just java, flash, and w32codecs are outside repo |
| 14:05.02 | Tallu | I'm switching my installation from a 233mhz pentium to a 1,8ghz computer, and I was wondering what are the things I should consider.. I've done quite a lot of configurations and I'd like to keep all of those, but I'm also getting a new hd for the new computer, and I'd like to repartition. Would it work by just installing the same sarge r2 and the needed programs and then copying stuff like /etc/ to the new one from the old one? |
| 14:05.05 | abrotman | Arctangent: unstable is sid .. testing is etch |
| 14:05.16 | jkp__ | so now i have the modules built, but i cant get them installed...it says its not findig one of the libs |
| 14:05.17 | Arctangent | aahh..thats where I misread...thanks. |
| 14:05.17 | lunitik | meh... actually... just w32codecs now |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | !releases |
| 14:05.23 | dpkg | it has been said that releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. |
| 14:05.23 | Arctangent | so I should likely go with sid then? |
| 14:05.33 | abrotman | Arctangent: sid breaks .. sometimes badly |
| 14:05.35 | wols | Tallu: no. just copy the full disk then upgrade it |
| 14:05.36 | Tallu | Or is it possible for me to just dd the contents and partition afterwards? |
| 14:05.36 | jkp__ | when i do sudo python setup.py install that is |
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| 14:06.15 | eleftherios | hm, I have followed all the instructions for loading a usb drive, I have even rebooted(!), the drive is powered up yet I see no entries in /dev/. Any suggestions please? (I am trying to retrieve all my data from my laptop drive) |
| 14:06.17 | Tallu | wols: okay, so i'll use dd to copy the contents of the old disk and after that just repartition the disk with the contents on it? |
| 14:06.30 | abrotman | eleftherios: does it appear in dmesg ? |
| 14:06.39 | wols | Tallu: yes. but be aware that if you use DD you already have a partition table |
| 14:06.50 | eleftherios | abrotman, what would it look like if it did? |
| 14:07.04 | Tallu | wols: what would you suggest then? |
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| 14:07.09 | jkp__ | is there some other variable i need to set to get it to find the libs for the install part? |
| 14:07.11 | disorder | Tallu: you can just copy the contents |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | eleftherios: something like "Device found at 02:214 " or some thing like that .. unplug it and plug it in again .. it'll be at the end if it's doing anyhting |
| 14:07.21 | Arctangent | alright..thanks for the info. |
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| 14:07.25 | azeem | jkp__: paste the error to a pastebin, I'd say |
| 14:07.27 | wols | I'd suggest using dd and then use something like parted to do the other partitions |
| 14:07.54 | jkp__ | azeem: the error is just that it failed to find the dependency |
| 14:07.55 | eleftherios | abrotman, all it finds is: input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech Optical USB Mouse] on usb-0000:00:1f.4-2 |
| 14:08.00 | eleftherios | abrotman, that's my mouse |
| 14:08.07 | jkp__ | Imlib2 >= 1.1.1 not foun |
| 14:08.14 | Tallu | wols, disorder, thanks to you both. :) i'm sure it'll work one way or another, if not i can always try again hehe |
| 14:08.15 | jkp__ | but its in /opt/local/lib |
| 14:08.18 | abrotman | eleftherios: you unplugged and replugged ? |
| 14:08.31 | eleftherios | abrotman, I just did |
| 14:08.41 | eleftherios | abrotman, where shall I look for entries now? |
| 14:08.43 | abrotman | eleftherios: and you have the usb-storage modules loaded ? |
| 14:08.43 | saftsack | i configured a network bridge with brctl. howto write it into /etc/network so that i can use it automatically after every bootup? |
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| 14:09.18 | eleftherios | abrotman, (from dmesg): usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage |
| 14:09.31 | eleftherios | abrotman, so the answer is yes :-) |
| 14:09.31 | abrotman | eleftherios: no replug the drive |
| 14:09.43 | azeem | jkp__: maybe check the setup.py script for hints on where it expects stuff and maybe modify it |
| 14:09.49 | eleftherios | abrotman, I just replugged it |
| 14:09.51 | eleftherios | abrotman, now? |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | still nothing? |
| 14:09.59 | lunitik | eleftherios: could have just 'lsmod | grep usb-storage' :/ |
| 14:09.59 | jkp__ | its using thumb_ext.check_library |
| 14:10.23 | eleftherios | abrotman, I just replugged it, where shall I look now? |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 14:10.50 | abrotman | lsusb |
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| 14:11.23 | eleftherios | abrotman, the only other entrie lsusb gives me is: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 14:11.30 | eleftherios | abrotman, that and the mouse |
| 14:11.30 | abrotman | try a -v |
| 14:11.42 | abrotman | but yeah .. probably your mouse |
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| 14:12.08 | eleftherios | abrotman, yes |
| 14:12.30 | azeem | jkp__: sorry, no idea |
| 14:12.45 | jkp__ | azeem: ok ta |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | eleftherios: does it work on any other box? |
| 14:12.56 | eleftherios | damn, I lost everything! :-( |
| 14:13.01 | eleftherios | abrotman, I have not tried |
| 14:13.06 | abrotman | might be a good thing to try |
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| 14:14.52 | eleftherios | the drive is spinning but... |
| 14:15.39 | abrotman | the electrons are flying off! |
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| 14:17.35 | eleftherios | I am a fool, I have not a single backup of the last 3 months work... |
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| 14:17.47 | eleftherios | I have lost everything if the drive doesn't work |
| 14:17.50 | eleftherios | :-/ |
| 14:18.00 | eleftherios | I'll try on another box later today |
| 14:18.01 | abrotman | try it on another machine or OS |
| 14:18.15 | blight_ | hello, i am writing a firewall script, what should i do if one of the commands fails? (is there a command to start a recovery console without network?) |
| 14:18.18 | eleftherios | abrotman, yes I will visit a friend and try it there |
| 14:18.46 | abrotman | only three months of work? |
| 14:19.14 | eleftherios | abrotman, "only"?? |
| 14:19.26 | abrotman | at least it wasn't three years :) |
| 14:19.39 | eleftherios | abrotman, hm, I get something now... |
| 14:19.51 | eleftherios | Message from syslogd@localhost at Sun Jul 9 17:22:57 2006 ... |
| 14:19.56 | eleftherios | localhost kernel: journal commit I/O error |
| 14:20.07 | abrotman | that's weird |
| 14:20.33 | eleftherios | abrotman, gnome-volume manager probably tries to load the drive |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | probably |
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| 14:20.52 | eleftherios | hm, I need to find a way to stop it |
| 14:21.12 | eleftherios | abrotman, Bus 001 Device 012: ID 04cf:8818 Myson Century, Inc. Fast 3.5" External Storage |
| 14:21.27 | abrotman | this is good ? |
| 14:21.30 | eleftherios | abrotman, so the drive is there, now I need to access it somehow |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | mount it ? |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | though .. gvm might have done that |
| 14:22.45 | efaistos | do you know why under cups when i try to print a test page i have a quota limit reached ? |
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| 14:22.57 | eleftherios | abrotman, it does, a window named "usbdisk" appears , then it disapears and I get the message I pasted earlier |
| 14:23.14 | syntaxx | im running gdm and fluxbox how can my gnome theme run after i login to gdm? cant seem gnome themes doesnt run automatically on fluxbox after loggin in |
| 14:23.27 | abrotman | eleftherios: i'd probably unplug the device .. try it on another machine or OS |
| 14:23.40 | blight_ | init S? |
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| 14:24.40 | eleftherios | abrotman, hm, :-/ |
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| 14:25.01 | abrotman | eleftherios: you know .. it might be trying to mount it as vfat |
| 14:25.22 | eleftherios | abrotman, ah |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | or it's erasing everything! |
| 14:25.52 | eleftherios | abrotman, argh!!!! |
| 14:25.58 | eleftherios | abrotman, I removed gvm |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:26.11 | eleftherios | replugging |
| 14:26.18 | eleftherios | abrotman, how do I manually mount it? |
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| 14:26.33 | abrotman | mount -t ext3 <device> <mountpoint> |
| 14:26.34 | eleftherios | ooops, it is doing it again |
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| 14:26.54 | eleftherios | I need to find the app that is attempting to automount it |
| 14:26.59 | Straylighthost | Good morning, could I bother anyone with a little of wireless understanding? |
| 14:27.05 | abrotman | or find another machine |
| 14:27.15 | abrotman | Straylighthost: just ask |
| 14:27.31 | eleftherios | abrotman, that's not as easy |
| 14:27.41 | disorder | eleftherios: couldn't it be usbmount? |
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| 14:28.05 | Straylighthost | I'm stuck, I'm trying to find a wireless PCI card that won't force me to use NDIS -- but all the HCL list i find are from 2004 or later... any suggestions? |
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| 14:28.37 | abrotman | madwifi prism54 acx110 |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 14:28.41 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 14:28.42 | eleftherios | disorder, I have no usbmount app installed |
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| 14:29.17 | Straylighthost | sweet, let me go dig, thank you for your time |
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| 14:29.56 | abrotman | if he woudl have stayed .. i could have given him urls |
| 14:30.24 | efaistos | does someone have an espon AcuLaser C1100 ? It was working a month ago ... but now it doesnt work and dunno why ... |
| 14:30.44 | efaistos | I just updated some pkgs and that's aybe the reason ... |
| 14:32.35 | abrotman | good thinking |
| 14:32.43 | syntaxx | im running gdm and fluxbox how can my gnome theme run after i login to gdm? cant seem gnome themes doesnt run automatically on fluxbox after loggin in |
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| 14:34.10 | efaistos | abrotman: but I dont understand where I should change somethin' about the quota limit ? Under cups interface when i try to print a test page I got Quota limit reached ... and under console it goes well but doesnt priint anything ... |
| 14:34.15 | concept10 | syntaxx, run gnome-theme-managersomething in terminal and close it |
| 14:35.24 | syntaxx | concept10, it will run automatically after i login to gdm? |
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| 14:36.30 | concept10 | syntaxx, no, you have to configure that, you should do a search on it, this is a know problem |
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| 14:41.23 | jkp__ | can anyone tell me what provides glx.h ? |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | !find glx.h |
| 14:42.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'glx.h' returned no results. |
| 14:42.08 | abrotman | stupid file finder |
| 14:42.13 | jkp__ | heh |
| 14:42.21 | jkp__ | i take it *something* provides it then :) |
| 14:42.49 | abrotman | which versino of debian ? |
| 14:43.07 | jkp__ | 3.1 |
| 14:43.17 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=glx.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 14:43.31 | jkp__ | yeah, i wondered about xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 14:43.35 | jkp__ | ok, ill install that |
| 14:43.38 | jkp__ | thanks wols |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | jkp__: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search glx.h |
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| 14:44.18 | jkp__ | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:44.23 | Eclipser | is there a way to see how a package is compiled? |
| 14:44.34 | abrotman | in the rules file |
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| 14:45.17 | Eclipser | do packages usually come with that file ? :) |
| 14:45.29 | abrotman | the source packages do |
| 14:45.53 | abrotman | now .. if i could remember the name of the "package" to file website bugs on .. that'd be great |
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| 14:48.51 | lunitik | abrotman: package to report bugs... or a name of a package that has a bug... ? |
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| 14:49.17 | abrotman | lunitik: i want to file a bug on the website |
| 14:49.29 | lunitik | abrotman: reportbug then? |
| 14:49.36 | abrotman | i guess |
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| 14:53.37 | archetypo | so i'm getting about 80MB/sec on disks, but only 20 across a gigabit lan |
| 14:54.00 | archetypo | using NFS....one thing i noticed when doing huge file writes is the disk is chunking about every 1 second |
| 14:54.47 | archetypo | i've pretty much used sync all along but used to get around 60MB/s ---- where the disk light would stay on repeatedly while incoming files (over 1GB) were being written |
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| 14:55.15 | archetypo | so is this is a network packet size problem? where's the most obvious place to start trying to figure out what's wrong? |
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| 14:55.43 | archetypo | nothing appears wrong on the server (checking with hdparm) |
| 14:55.44 | DebianTUX | hi, im trying to use adetp in debian sid, but it crashes returning: "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem." but everything seems to be ok. do some one knows how do i solve this: |
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| 14:57.27 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... haha... you meant 'www.debian.org' by the way ;) |
| 14:57.38 | abrotman | i did .. so what? |
| 14:57.50 | abrotman | i actually want to file a bug on packages.d.o |
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| 14:58.07 | Eclipser | is there some place where I could see if some packages are about to enter sid or something? |
| 14:58.54 | phaedrus44 | can someone tell me where to put mplayer codecs? |
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| 14:59.02 | Eclipser | #mplayer |
| 14:59.29 | wols | phaedrus44: which codecs do you need to place manually? |
| 14:59.49 | syntaxis | Eclipser: http://incoming.debian.org/ ? |
| 14:59.49 | lunitik | phaedrus44: /lib/win32 |
| 14:59.58 | lunitik | phaedrus44: uhh... /usr/lib/win32 |
| 15:00.04 | Eclipser | syntaxis, thanks |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | maybe /etc/lib/win32/ ? |
| 15:00.31 | lunitik | abrotman: no... /usr/lib/win32 ... even your totem looks here ;) |
| 15:00.32 | phaedrus44 | hehe cool |
| 15:00.38 | wols | clearly it's /usr/local/etc... |
| 15:00.45 | abrotman | lunitik: you mean xine |
| 15:00.56 | wols | but wouldn't it be easiest to just install w32codecs from marillat? |
| 15:01.07 | lunitik | abrotman: sure... your libxine-main0 frontend |
| 15:01.53 | abrotman | why did i eat all my eggs damn it! |
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| 15:02.21 | lunitik | wols: yes, yes it would... but apparently he didn't do that |
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| 15:02.34 | lunitik | wols: the package just dumps stuff there too for the record |
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| 15:05.45 | lunitik | Actually, the package dumps stuff in /usr/lib/codecs ... then symlinks that to /usr/lib/win32 so xine/mplayer/etc can find them... |
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| 15:08.08 | lunitik | plus you get linitian/overrides ... and docs ... |
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| 15:12.07 | afaik | outside of artwiz, is there a package for anti-aliased font goodness? |
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| 15:12.43 | xwind_ | i have debian installed in /dev/hda1. |
| 15:12.50 | xwind_ | A diskless howto requires me to install debian again to /dev/hda5. |
| 15:12.55 | xwind_ | Does this mean i have to boot the sarge cdrom again and mount /dev/hda5 as / then install again? |
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| 15:14.03 | abrotman | it requires you? |
| 15:14.33 | afaik | bah ... is there something I need to do before I can use the fonts I just got from installing artwiz? |
| 15:14.37 | afaik | cuz I don't see them |
| 15:15.56 | lunitik | afaik: they need to be in /usr/share/fonts or ~/.fonts |
| 15:16.23 | lunitik | afaik: also, user needs to log out and back in for them to show up again |
| 15:16.29 | lunitik | -again |
| 15:16.43 | xwind_ | abrotman: the actual statement is "Once the server-installation works fine, just install again, e.g. to /dev/hda5." |
| 15:16.50 | cahoot | not a matter of disabling bitmapped fonts? |
| 15:17.03 | abrotman | xwind_: read more .. see if there's a good reason |
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| 15:17.08 | lunitik | afaik: actually... fam ought to figure out you installed them... so probably don't have to log out and back in |
| 15:17.11 | afaik | lunaphyte, no way to do it without logging back in |
| 15:17.17 | xwind_ | abrotman: "This new and seperate system is the one the clients will use as their "/"." |
| 15:17.21 | afaik | hmmm |
| 15:17.28 | abrotman | xwind_: ah .. ok .. i guess that makes sense |
| 15:17.47 | afaik | well, I installed the artwiz package ... why do I need to move them manually to /usr/share/fonts? |
| 15:17.49 | cahoot | afaik: disabled bitmapped fonts? |
| 15:17.56 | xwind_ | so how do i proceed with that? am not a total newbie, am just confused. |
| 15:18.00 | syntaxx | where can i find the .xsession? |
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| 15:19.00 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 15:19.02 | lunitik | syntaxx: in your home dir |
| 15:19.14 | lunitik | syntaxx: else you need to make one |
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| 15:19.31 | dhuv | does anybody know of a way for me to run a process every time a new file is placed inside a directory? |
| 15:19.32 | Tallu | judge: is that a long hostname or what |
| 15:19.32 | syntaxx | lunitik, yeah i created touch ~/.xsession but it doesnt load anything |
| 15:19.44 | dhuv | I would rather have something smarter than a cron job |
| 15:19.45 | lunitik | afaik: because thats where X looks for fonts? |
| 15:20.01 | dhuv | and I need it to happen immediately rather than once a min |
| 15:20.03 | afaik | lunaphyte, doesn't apt-get install artwiz put them there? :( |
| 15:20.11 | afaik | I am confused ... :( |
| 15:20.13 | tgz2_ | how do i search for an app? |
| 15:20.14 | lunitik | syntaxx: you edited it? |
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| 15:20.44 | alex-weej | hi, anyone know any guides on creating debian (binary) packages for things like themes? |
| 15:20.46 | lunitik | afaik: I dunno, does it? 'dpkg -L artwiz' |
| 15:21.09 | my007ms | hello all |
| 15:21.09 | syntaxx | lunitik, yeah i put exec fluxbox and xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults |
| 15:21.29 | my007ms | i need to understand what rpc exact mean |
| 15:21.35 | abrotman | !rpc |
| 15:21.36 | jkp__ | anyone know how to switch the default python install? |
| 15:21.36 | dpkg | rpc is, like, remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
| 15:21.43 | amphi | dhuv: I have a sample dnotify prog I can paste into PM if you want |
| 15:21.48 | abrotman | jkp__: bad idea |
| 15:22.05 | dhuv | amphi: that would be great? |
| 15:22.07 | jkp__ | abrotman: i need it for what im working on....2.4? is there a problem with that? |
| 15:22.08 | my007ms | i know that nfs and some othere service need this but what portmap for exampel do |
| 15:22.10 | dhuv | what is it written in? |
| 15:22.15 | amphi | dhuv: c |
| 15:22.27 | abrotman | jkp__: have a good time! :) |
| 15:22.35 | syntaxx | lunitik, yeah i put exec fluxbox and xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults but it doesnt load |
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| 15:23.02 | lunitik | syntaxx: that should work... |
| 15:23.07 | dhuv | amphi: is it the same as dnotify http://freshmeat.net/projects/dnotify/ |
| 15:23.12 | my007ms | what is exact function |
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| 15:23.17 | my007ms | for portmap |
| 15:23.34 | syntaxx | lunitik, it doenst work |
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| 15:24.14 | lunitik | syntaxx: It should, I'm not sure why it doesn't :/ |
| 15:24.15 | amphi | dhuv: I forget where I got it, it might be; it's a very short bit of example code |
| 15:24.24 | lunitik | syntaxx: hence not replying |
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| 15:26.45 | lunitik | syntaxx: I don't know about xrdb -load though... maybe 'source ~/.Xdefaults' instead? |
| 15:27.35 | afaik | wot window manager you use? |
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| 15:28.28 | tgz2 | how would i do a search for kernels with apt-get within debian sid? |
| 15:28.52 | lunitik | tgz2: apt-cache search linux ? |
| 15:29.02 | wols | at-cache search kernel |
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| 15:29.19 | lunitik | tgz2: apt-get install linux-image or linux-source would list candidates also |
| 15:29.34 | lunitik | wols: linux-* replaces kernel-* in Sid |
| 15:29.52 | lunitik | wols: due to hurd and freebsd no doubt |
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| 15:31.36 | lunitik | wols: meh... both return too much actually... trying to install 'linux-image' or 'linux-source' is probably best option |
| 15:31.38 | abrotman | lunitik: it will still show |
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| 15:32.12 | tgz2 | lunitik: it's a good idea to grab the source too, right? |
| 15:32.23 | jamescarr | I just installed the Really Slick Screensavers openGL pacage ... but they don't work ... I thought the dependencies would be taken care of |
| 15:32.33 | jamescarr | anyhow, is there a package I should probably install? |
| 15:32.34 | lunitik | tgz2: you don't _need_ it if you plan on using binary kernels |
| 15:32.39 | eucalre | hi |
| 15:32.41 | p0seidon | sup |
| 15:33.22 | tgz2 | lunitik: apt-get will setup the kernel for me? do i need to change something in lilo.conf? |
| 15:33.31 | lunitik | tgz2: why are you using Sid though? most would say I don't know enough to run Sid... |
| 15:33.36 | eucalre | secret |
| 15:33.38 | p0seidon | ? |
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| 15:34.09 | lunitik | tgz2: yes ... |
| 15:34.10 | tgz2 | lunitik: i'm use to running bleeding edge distros so i figured i'd go with sid. |
| 15:34.21 | tgz2 | i'm just not use to apt-get yet, i guess. |
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| 15:35.32 | phaedrus44 | doesnt apt-get have a "fake" install option to test first before actual install? |
| 15:35.41 | lunitik | I just say apt-get in here so I don't have to answer "why aptitude" unless I forget... |
| 15:35.52 | robin_sz | OK, I have the bttv module installed .. .is there some way to make sure it comes up on the "Composite1" input by defualt, instread of the tuner? |
| 15:35.53 | stew | phaedrus44: --simulate |
| 15:35.57 | phaedrus44 | ahh |
| 15:36.01 | lunitik | phaedrus44: apt-get -s |
| 15:36.02 | phaedrus44 | thank you |
| 15:36.21 | lunitik | More typing |
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| 15:38.46 | phaedrus44 | would it be hard to switch to unstable? |
| 15:39.09 | lunitik | phaedrus44: no, but (hopefully) no one would tell you how... |
| 15:39.13 | stew | phaedrus44: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 15:39.17 | zinx | running unstable is the hard part |
| 15:39.43 | zinx | you can't blindly install things just 'cause they're newer, for example |
| 15:40.07 | zinx | you'll end up uninstalling half your system or rendering it unusable :D |
| 15:40.15 | mtomczak | Hm. So I'm trying to deepen my understanding of the Linux security model, and I'm looking at the authlog. |
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| 15:40.33 | mtomczak | Is this kind of thing normal to see in /var/log/auth.log? |
| 15:40.33 | lunitik | zinx: you can upgrade ... just not dist-upgrade blindly ;) |
| 15:40.50 | lunitik | zinx: upgrade won't change configs etc... so shouldn't break anything... |
| 15:41.11 | robin_sz | sigh ... video4linux conf ... wonder whaere all that gets stored |
| 15:41.27 | mtomczak | Jul 9 06:28:03 localhost CRON[6013]: (pam_unix_ session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 15:41.57 | lunitik | robin_sz: dpkg -L v4l-conf ? |
| 15:42.08 | mtomczak | Jul 9 06:28:03 localhost CRON[6013]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root |
| 15:42.18 | mtomczak | ... there's many, many of those entries in the system. |
| 15:42.28 | zinx | lunatik: uhm |
| 15:42.36 | zinx | lunatik: you are so terribly wrong |
| 15:44.29 | StyXman | hi all. I know this is unforgivable off-topic, but I don't know where to go to ask. if you know a better place to ask, let me know. I'm planning to apply for a linux sysadmin job in london, and they ask me about salary expectations, but I don't have the cluelest idea how much this kind of job is being paid. I had searched in a couple of sites and seems like something in the lines of the £30-40k a year is about normal. any suggestions? |
| 15:44.35 | StyXman | mtomczak: perfectly normal |
| 15:45.01 | lunitik | zinx: horribly wrong? video4linux device drivers configuration doesn't count as video4linux configuration? |
| 15:45.05 | StyXman | mtomczak: it's cron running things as root |
| 15:45.05 | lunitik | zinx: my fault... |
| 15:45.17 | SlayerXP | s |
| 15:45.24 | zinx | lunitik: uh? what does that have to do with what you said? |
| 15:45.39 | lunitik | zinx: apt-cache show v4l-conf |
| 15:45.40 | SlayerXP | StyXman: depending on the role, and your experience, anything from 20 to 80 is possible |
| 15:45.50 | zinx | lunitik: <lunitik> zinx: you can upgrade ... just not dist-upgrade blindly ;) <lunitik> zinx: upgrade won't change configs etc... so shouldn't break anything... |
| 15:45.57 | zinx | lunitik: *THAT* is so horribly wrong. |
| 15:46.07 | Maulkin | StyXman: Send me /msg :) |
| 15:46.11 | zinx | lunitik: upgrade can break things just as badly. |
| 15:46.28 | Maulkin | StyXman: With detials of who it's for, what experienc eyou have etc. |
| 15:46.41 | superlinux | can I apply patches to my already kernels coming from debian? |
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| 15:46.53 | zinx | lunitik: it's not uncommon for an upgrade to make things uninstallable, or require manual fixing (see the X.org transition) |
| 15:47.05 | mtomczak | StyXman: Good! I figured that was likely, but I feel a lot better hearing it from someone else. |
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| 15:47.41 | lunitik | zinx: meh... true... but configuration files are not touched during upgrade... so hardly 'horribly wrong' either way... |
| 15:47.42 | zinx | lunitik: it's also not entirely uncommon for a core component to be broken such that it makes your entire system cease to function - glibc has been broken before, if i'm not mistaken. dpkg or apt as well. |
| 15:47.53 | mtomczak | (This other one though... "Illegal user staff, Illegal user sales, Illegal user recruit," all originating from a Chinese ISP... hehehe ;) ) |
| 15:48.22 | arfab | Hi, I'm having trouble installing nvidia video drivers, can anyone here help? |
| 15:48.34 | zinx | lunitik: i think having your system non-functional is pretty horrible, regardless of the state of the config files, which *ARE* changed by upgrade as must as dist-upgrade. i don't know what it is that you think dist-upgrade does, but it certainly has nothing to do with updating config files. |
| 15:48.45 | mtomczak | arfab: What's your kernel version? |
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| 15:49.08 | StyXman | SlayerXP: ok, tx |
| 15:49.09 | mtomczak | And are you trying to install from source or via the dpkg versions? |
| 15:49.38 | zinx | lunitik: dist-upgrade just tries harder to resolve conflicts that occur when upgrading from one distro to the next |
| 15:49.39 | arfab | mtomczak, 2.6.15 |
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| 15:49.57 | arfab | mtomczak, 2.6.15-1-486 |
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| 15:50.17 | lunitik | zinx: upgrade doesn't update things that have changed dramatically |
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| 15:50.26 | zinx | lunitik: yes it does |
| 15:50.54 | roym | I can't get python-doc in testing to install - a search mentions that it has been moved to contrib; what line do I need in my sources.list to reference contrib? |
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| 15:51.29 | lunitik | zinx: meh... I've never had an issue via simple 'apt-get upgrade', and have been running Sid for 4 years... |
| 15:51.40 | zinx | lunitik: as long as it can resolve the dependencies, it'll upgrade anything it can. and if you're running unstable, the dependencies can either be solved, or you'll have half your system uninstalled if you don't tell it any different. |
| 15:51.45 | mtomczak | arfab: Okay, sounds good. What problem are you seeing? |
| 15:51.53 | wols | add "contrib" at the end of your testing line |
| 15:52.09 | syntaxx | anyone here using gdm+fluxbox? |
| 15:52.22 | roym | wols: do I need a separate line (copy of the earlier) to append to? |
| 15:52.31 | zinx | lunitik: then you don't upgrade much |
| 15:52.40 | wols | add "contrib" at the end of your testing line |
| 15:52.41 | zinx | lunitik: or you're lying, whichever ;) |
| 15:52.42 | arfab | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. |
| 15:52.46 | lunitik | zinx: actually I do... at least once a day usually |
| 15:52.54 | wols | arfab: why did it fail? |
| 15:53.00 | zinx | lunitik: if that were true, you'd have had dpkg break at least once |
| 15:53.10 | arfab | I don't know, I'm not used to doing it the debian way |
| 15:53.22 | wols | then read what's on your screen |
| 15:53.27 | lunitik | zinx: maybe I dodged it by fluke? |
| 15:53.28 | zinx | lunitik: because it was broken for a day or two |
| 15:53.36 | arfab | umm, Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:53.44 | zinx | lunitik: and required manual intervention to fix, if you were stupid enough to upgrade |
| 15:53.58 | zinx | lunitik: more likely, you're a liar |
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| 15:54.36 | stew | zinx: lunitik: can we just drop this, it doens't looke like it really has the potential to go anywhere productive |
| 15:54.41 | lunitik | zinx: no, I have certainly been running Sid for 4 years... and have had no issues... and I had no dpkg breakages |
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| 15:54.43 | keram | hello |
| 15:54.51 | keram | how do i use the marillat repository? |
| 15:55.09 | rebekka | hello.... is there any good program to download MP3s on linux??? |
| 15:55.12 | zinx | stew: he's encouraging people to use unstable, and falsely telling them it won't break if you just do 'upgrade', not 'dist-upgrade' |
| 15:55.15 | zinx | stew: i can't let that go, sorry. |
| 15:55.16 | keram | do i just add debian-multimedia.org to sources.list? |
| 15:55.20 | arfab | keram it's changed location to debian-multimedia.org |
| 15:55.25 | Maulkin | !marillat |
| 15:55.25 | dpkg | marillat is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 15:55.36 | abrotman | Maulkin: do you know the "package" to file a bug on packages.d.o ? |
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| 15:55.46 | rebekka | hello... |
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| 15:55.51 | mtomczak | arfab: Most likely (and I'll be honest, I'm new to packabe management too ;), that means that for some reason, that package isn't visible to your package manager. |
| 15:55.52 | Maulkin | abrotman: eh? |
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| 15:55.52 | lunitik | zinx: I didn't encourage anyone to use Sid, quiet the opposite, I stated "no one will help you run sid" and I questioned his motivation for using it also... |
| 15:55.55 | rebekka | hello.... is there any good program to download MP3s on linux??? |
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| 15:56.01 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella |
| 15:56.03 | arfab | mtomczak, ok |
| 15:56.10 | mtomczak | arfab: Can you try installing just the nvidia-kernel-source package alone, see what it says? |
| 15:56.15 | arfab | ok |
| 15:56.17 | abrotman | Maulkin: if you wanted to file a bug on the packages.d.o website .. is there a "package" to file the bug against |
| 15:56.58 | mtomczak | Another security question for the group: I'm looking over the logs for my samba install, and I'm seeing several empty log files named "log.some_machine_in_the_same_building" |
| 15:56.58 | arfab | mtomczak, I think I may have the name of the package wrong |
| 15:57.04 | lunitik | abrotman: the "package" is 'www.debian.org'... as reportbug would have told you if you don't choose a specific package |
| 15:57.06 | keram | okay but i dont know how to add it to the sources.list file |
| 15:57.15 | zinx | lunitik: psh, saying it won't break is encouragement enough |
| 15:57.16 | keram | and i'm using the unstable version of debian |
| 15:57.22 | Maulkin | abrotman: probably www.debian.org, See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages |
| 15:57.30 | arfab | last night someone told me a on-liner, but I've done a fresh install since then and lost it |
| 15:57.43 | arfab | *one-liner |
| 15:57.46 | abrotman | there's a list of pseudopackages?!?! |
| 15:58.08 | zinx | abrotman: a list of bugs for pseudo-packages, no less |
| 15:58.13 | mtomczak | These random samba logfiles... they are named for machines whose names I recognize, but their owners shouldn't have any reason to access that samba share. |
| 15:58.35 | keram | !marillat.sid |
| 15:58.36 | robin_sz | well, there you go |
| 15:58.36 | dpkg | [marillat.sid] marillat's repository for sid/unstable. To add the repository, su root, cd /etc/apt and type: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main" >>sources.list -OR- echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main" >>sources.list ..... then apt-get update |
| 15:58.49 | mtomczak | Should I conclude they're trying anyway, or that their PCs are automatically tapping my Samba share on the shoulder for generall housekeeping and the smbd responds by logging that shoulder-tap to an empty logfile? |
| 15:59.40 | lunitik | abrotman: actually, rather than just not entering anything... you have to enter "other" ... 24 www.debian.org Problems with the WWW site (including other *.debian.org sites) |
| 15:59.50 | robin_sz | mtomczak, well, there are two options. either, samba has been just guessing machine names and making up logfiles and, purely by chance, they are names you recognise, or, options2, the machines are trying to access the samba share. of course, they can't see anything they shouldnt, because of the need for passwords, right? |
| 15:59.52 | abrotman | yeah .. that's intuitive |
| 16:00.00 | arfab | MatBoy, are you here? |
| 16:01.22 | rebekka | Besides Gnutella, is there any other good program to download MP3??? |
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| 16:01.50 | lunitik | abrotman: its more general than a specific package ;) but agreed, its not very intuitive |
| 16:01.55 | keram | http://rafb.net/paste/results/dVTIHe68.html |
| 16:02.02 | mtomczak | robin_sz: Indeed, and the contents are all password-locked to the best of my ability. |
| 16:02.03 | keram | thats my errors from aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 16:02.10 | abrotman | rebekka: not likely |
| 16:02.14 | keram | after i added marillat to sources.list |
| 16:02.21 | keram | its saying something about a pubkey |
| 16:02.30 | abrotman | !tell rebekka about search |
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| 16:02.51 | wols | !tell keram about 2006 key |
| 16:02.56 | mtomczak | robin_sz: What I dont' know about Samba is how chatty the protocol is and whether or not smbd creates logfiles for the 'hey, hi, howareya' packets even though it doesn't save the packets. |
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| 16:03.22 | wols | if in doubt, consider CIFS even more chan you can plainly see |
| 16:03.27 | lunitik | rebekka: I use Apollon ... provides Kazaa, Gnutella, OpenFT, Ares ... and is working on E-Donkey, SoulSeek etc |
| 16:03.39 | robin_sz | mtomczak, Windows machines seem to spend half their life polling the rest of the planet to see if the planet is awake ... |
| 16:03.42 | wols | *chatty |
| 16:03.52 | arfab | keram, gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
| 16:03.53 | arfab | gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 16:04.18 | keram | ok |
| 16:04.23 | abrotman | the bugs on 'general' are entertaining |
| 16:04.26 | arfab | you'll need 2 b root |
| 16:04.33 | mtomczak | robin_sz: Ah, good. Yeah, I'm not sure how strong the morphism is between the Samba protocol and the old AppleTalk protocol, but I have this vague sense that they 'taste the same.' |
| 16:04.56 | wols | they don't have anything to do with each other |
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| 16:05.06 | wols | SMB was invented by IBM way back when for OS/2 |
| 16:05.11 | abrotman | arfab: to be |
| 16:05.16 | lunitik | abrotman: any in particular to see? |
| 16:05.25 | abrotman | lunitik: go browse them |
| 16:05.35 | robin_sz | arfab, does that check the signutures in any way? |
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| 16:06.05 | arfab | robin_sz, not sure, I just know that it works, lol |
| 16:06.34 | robin_sz | mtomczak, nah, the old appletalk was "chatty" Samba itself is not "chatty" its the brain dead windows boxes that use it that seem to spend half their cycles probing each other and the network in general |
| 16:06.56 | mtomczak | Ah. That makes more sense. |
| 16:07.03 | mtomczak | Thanks for the help! |
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| 16:08.06 | zinx | lunitik: Fri May 9 15:46:02 2003 more or less (bugs.debian.org not working here), bug #192403 |
| 16:08.12 | zinx | lunitik: apt-get broke. |
| 16:08.56 | zinx | lunitik: libstdc++5 was broken around that time as well, apparently |
| 16:09.27 | stew | zinx: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 16:10.03 | zinx | lunitik: the problem where lunitik thinks blindly doing "upgrade" in sid is 100% safe, even though "dist-upgrade" isn't |
| 16:10.03 | abrotman | i think he's making fun of bugs |
| 16:10.04 | zinx | erh, stew: |
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| 16:10.18 | drcode | hi all |
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| 16:10.28 | drcode | any one know videoconfrence server under gpl ? |
| 16:10.33 | tgz2 | what's the local start up file in debian? |
| 16:10.33 | stew | zinx: can you please move on |
| 16:10.44 | tgz2 | like rc.local |
| 16:10.46 | zinx | stew: i can't. i'm sorry. |
| 16:11.00 | zinx | stew: i don't like liars, and i don't like people telling others it's safe to do something that's not safe |
| 16:11.02 | stew | lunitik: is doing an upgrade in sid 100% safe? |
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| 16:11.34 | abrotman | haha |
| 16:11.38 | lunitik | stew: no? |
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| 16:11.46 | stew | zinx: ok, can we move on now? |
| 16:11.47 | abrotman | don't ask him .. tell him |
| 16:11.50 | lunitik | stew: dist-upgrade is still less safe |
| 16:11.54 | stew | right |
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| 16:12.25 | Dunedan | Does anybody know a way to create completly new /etc/group, /etc/shadow and so on for a system? |
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| 16:12.36 | tgz2 | hmm |
| 16:12.40 | tgz2 | trying to speed debian up |
| 16:12.45 | zinx | still the issue where he's been upgrading every day for 4 years and never had a problem, even with bug #192403 :D |
| 16:12.46 | tgz2 | it seems a bit slower than slack and arch. |
| 16:12.56 | stew | zinx: its not an issue, drop it |
| 16:13.02 | robin_sz | Dunedan, hardly a sensible idea |
| 16:13.11 | zinx | :< |
| 16:13.39 | lunitik | stew: running Sid full stop is not safe... but you certainly shouldn't blindly dist-upgrade... whole argument was basically 'shouldn't upgrade blindly' vs 'shouldn't dist-upgrade'... |
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| 16:13.54 | lunitik | stew: without dist-upgrade'ing, I've never encountered problems |
| 16:14.00 | robin_sz | Dunedan, remember, if you do that, some og the UIDs and GIDs that are currently being used by files, will, soon, point to other users |
| 16:14.01 | zrin | installer (daily netinstall amd64) complains about missing release file while "mounting cd-rom" ... what is the problem, where shall that file be? |
| 16:15.05 | lunitik | s/shouldn't dist-upgrade/shouldn't dist-upgrade blindly/ |
| 16:15.16 | zinx | stew: i think you're right, it's pointless to continue |
| 16:15.19 | qwertz | Hi, are there any recommendable docs/howtos/books handling with php optimization (for speed and memory usage) |
| 16:15.56 | zinx | lunitik: No, I intentionally kept it going to try to beat some sense in to you |
| 16:16.03 | lunitik | zinx: if you run Sid... you should know what you're doing... agreed? because thats what both of us told him |
| 16:16.06 | cahoot | Dunedan: there are maybe backups in /var/backups |
| 16:16.09 | abrotman | qwertz: ask #php |
| 16:16.11 | tgz2 | lunitik: is /etc/init.d/local the equivalent to /etc/rc.d/rc.local? |
| 16:16.20 | abrotman | no |
| 16:16.22 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 16:16.23 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 16:16.31 | keram | can someone help me get xine to play wmvs? |
| 16:16.45 | keram | i added the merallat repository and aptitude installed w32codec |
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| 16:16.49 | keram | but its still not working |
| 16:17.27 | Dunedan | robin_sz, cahoot : The problem is that I've done a completly new installation and these files weren't created. |
| 16:17.33 | lunitik | keram: umm... that should be all you needed to do... |
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| 16:18.25 | cahoot | Dunedan: in that case disregard the backup possibility ;) |
| 16:18.26 | lunitik | zinx: ok, upgrade is dangerous... I still never look into things unless it requires dist-upgrade... and I have had no issues in 4 years... luck? probably |
| 16:18.45 | dbe | how do I list the path for a symlink? |
| 16:18.51 | lunitik | zinx: I won't tell others that from now on though, and tell them they should be careful, ok? probablem solved |
| 16:18.53 | abrotman | ls -l ? |
| 16:18.57 | lunitik | problem* |
| 16:19.38 | keram | lunitik, well its not workign.. i dont know whats up |
| 16:19.40 | dbe | abrotman, there is some other way to do it which I have forgot. |
| 16:19.45 | abrotman | stat ? |
| 16:19.53 | zinx | lunitik: sounds good |
| 16:19.54 | lunitik | keram: what xine frontend you using? |
| 16:19.54 | abrotman | find |
| 16:20.09 | zinx | lunitik: and hopefully you'll continue to have such luck in the future |
| 16:20.27 | keram | xine-ui |
| 16:20.32 | keram | if thats what your asking for? |
| 16:20.55 | lunitik | keram: is there anywhere in that app that says where to look for codecs? I'm not familier with it, but most frontends have it... |
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| 16:21.03 | keram | yea it does |
| 16:21.09 | keram | its set to /usr/lib/codecs i think |
| 16:21.12 | lunitik | keram: if there is, you need it to point at /usr/lib/win32 |
| 16:21.19 | zrin | installer (daily netinstall amd64) complains about missing release file while "mounting cd-rom" ... what is the problem, where shall that file be? |
| 16:21.21 | lunitik | keram: ahh... codecs and win32 are same thing |
| 16:21.26 | keram | :/ |
| 16:21.26 | lunitik | keram: so thats not the issue |
| 16:21.30 | jkp__ | wtf??? no mplayer on debian? |
| 16:21.33 | abrotman | zrin: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:21.38 | abrotman | jkp__: no .. |
| 16:21.43 | zrin | abrotman: thank you |
| 16:21.46 | jkp__ | abrotman: any reason? |
| 16:21.46 | abrotman | jkp__: licensing is out of whack |
| 16:21.50 | jkp__ | ah |
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| 16:22.03 | keram | the error msg from xine is missing MSS2 codecs |
| 16:22.07 | abrotman | !mplayer legal saga |
| 16:22.07 | dpkg | Mplayer is currently not in Debian because the legal saga surrounding its codebase has not been concluded. Unfortunately, upstream has not done due diligence with the licensing of their codebase, creating a need for ftpmaster or a representative to audit the codebase before inclusion in Debian. See http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html |
| 16:22.08 | lunitik | jkp__: debian-multimedia.org |
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| 16:23.42 | my007ms | !rpc |
| 16:23.43 | dpkg | from memory, rpc is remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
| 16:23.47 | keram | ugh |
| 16:24.04 | keram | maybe a reboot will fix it |
| 16:24.05 | lunitik | keram: as I said, what you've done _should_ work |
| 16:24.22 | lunitik | keram: try a different frontend? |
| 16:24.37 | Kurtism | how could RPC ever be secure |
| 16:24.54 | keram | lunaphyte, how do i do that? |
| 16:24.57 | Kurtism | rpc execute rm -rf / |
| 16:25.07 | keram | oh wait |
| 16:25.12 | lunitik | keram: apt-cache search xine and install one? |
| 16:25.13 | keram | is the w32codecs supposed to support wmv 8? |
| 16:25.21 | keram | err wmv9 |
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| 16:25.26 | lunitik | keram: yes |
| 16:25.41 | lunitik | keram: apt-cache show w32codecs |
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| 16:26.37 | keram | http://rafb.net/paste/results/KKxQQz51.html |
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| 16:27.10 | lunitik | keram: uhh... I was just showing you its listed as a supported format in the description :/ |
| 16:27.18 | keram | oh |
| 16:27.19 | andax | is there a way to bind a local user to a specific interface on a multihomed linux box? |
| 16:27.24 | keram | lol |
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| 16:28.01 | abrotman | govt-mule? |
| 16:28.06 | keram | can u try to play this file with your xine and tell me if it works? |
| 16:28.12 | keram | its a really quick dl i presume |
| 16:28.18 | lunitik | keram: sure |
| 16:28.38 | keram | http://www.apspuhuru.org/apfiles/typo3_videos_media_encoder.wmv |
| 16:28.49 | keram | its a sample wmv from some google search |
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| 16:29.27 | abrotman | Video codec 'MSS2' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies |
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| 16:29.43 | lunitik | keram: here, plays file, but no video |
| 16:29.48 | lunitik | just sound |
| 16:29.54 | keram | oh |
| 16:30.01 | keram | ugh |
| 16:30.23 | cahoot | keram: fwiw mplayer handles it allright |
| 16:30.32 | keram | with video? |
| 16:30.55 | cahoot | keram: looked like a video on videobroadcasting |
| 16:31.02 | abrotman | it's MSS2 .. whatever that is |
| 16:31.15 | my007ms | i user: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 500 -j DROP |
| 16:31.24 | andax | mplayer says it's like "Selected audio codec: [wma9spdmo] afm: dmo (Windows Media Audio 9 Speech DMO)" video codec: [wmsdmod] vfm: dmo (Windows Media Screen Codec 2) |
| 16:31.38 | my007ms | but user who have ID 500 still can accress internet normal |
| 16:31.41 | my007ms | ?? |
| 16:31.45 | my007ms | any idea |
| 16:32.13 | keram | hey its working with another wmv file |
| 16:32.17 | lunitik | keram: most WMV files play here though, could just be a bad example |
| 16:32.18 | keram | maybe that dumb sample was just shit |
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| 16:32.46 | abrotman | keram: it's that file |
| 16:32.52 | abrotman | keram: it's got some weird MSS2 codec |
| 16:33.03 | keram | ic |
| 16:33.31 | keram | hopefully i never have to watch anything thats in that format again |
| 16:33.35 | keram | bekuz if i do i'm fuk'd haha |
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| 16:33.46 | jannik_ | hi |
| 16:33.57 | corp-mule- | . |
| 16:33.58 | lunitik | andax: you download w32codecs-all from mplayers site? |
| 16:34.40 | andax | lunaphyte, i downloaded the codecs from www.mplayerhq.hu (the all-codecs package) |
| 16:34.56 | lunitik | andax: a simple "yes" would have been fine :P |
| 16:35.38 | lunitik | andax: so its not cuz of mplayer, its because you downloaded more codecs |
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| 16:36.25 | andax | i also compiled mplayer from source maybe that also makes a difference, i have had bad experience of packaged mplayer versions in the past |
| 16:36.53 | my007ms | how can i make exact your can not use the network |
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| 16:38.41 | cyzie | hi, is there any web based SSH? the reason is because my company block ssh on port22. |
| 16:38.52 | abrotman | run sshd on another port |
| 16:38.58 | Ronin | cyzie: then change your port if you must break company policy :) |
| 16:39.23 | my007ms | cyzie, you speek abut server or client |
| 16:39.25 | cyzie | Ronin, abrotman have tried it. wont work. |
| 16:39.38 | Ronin | then you didnt do it correctly heh |
| 16:39.41 | abrotman | they may block the protocol not the port |
| 16:40.09 | cyzie | i tried to used sshd to listen on port 443, my box in the company cannot cannot too. |
| 16:40.57 | cyzie | 1 possible solution is to build a java based web program, much like java web applet. but is there any such similar web solution ? <shrugs> |
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| 16:41.16 | archetypo | if i have two nics on the same lan is it possible to config arp so one answers? |
| 16:41.22 | archetypo | rather than both |
| 16:41.38 | my007ms | yes there is one but i think it will use the same port if u speek abut server side |
| 16:41.38 | hussam | I want to install debian unstable on a new computer. are there debian unstable snapshot cds? if not. what do I do? |
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| 16:42.16 | wols | you install sarge and upgrade |
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| 16:42.35 | my007ms | hello welcome wols |
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| 16:43.16 | cyzie | my007ms, ?? |
| 16:43.24 | zer000 | hi all |
| 16:44.48 | my007ms | cyzie, is your problem that compnay block you to ssh to othere or block othere to ssh in you |
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| 16:45.37 | cyzie | my007ms, <sshd>-----------------------<company , firewall>-----------------------<client> |
| 16:45.47 | cyzie | my007ms, where client cannot connect to sshd |
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| 16:46.12 | my007ms | cyzie, sshd server have real ip |
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| 16:46.30 | jamescarr | hey, is there a apt-gettable package that has all kinds of styles and themes for KDE? |
| 16:46.51 | cyzie | my007ms, ? don tunderstand |
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| 16:47.45 | abrotman | apt-cache search kde theme ? |
| 16:47.51 | my007ms | cyzie, does there server that your compnay block port 22 in it is real ip or not |
| 16:48.10 | my007ms | cyzie, SSH: Port Forwarding |
| 16:48.14 | wols | cyzie: does it have a routable IP |
| 16:48.16 | wols | ? |
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| 16:48.22 | abrotman | blocks protocol .. not port |
| 16:48.31 | cyzie | block port 22 |
| 16:48.46 | cyzie | wols, i dont understand |
| 16:49.04 | archetypo | http://pastie.caboo.se/3922 can someone look at this? can i get rid of the eth0 192.168.0.0 route so that only eth1 is used? i have a static route to "mini" through eth0 and everything else i want to go through eth1. but when i ping out, both interfaces are being used |
| 16:49.08 | abrotman | and you can get to your server on 443 either .. so it may not have anything to do with port 22 eh? |
| 16:49.40 | cyzie | abrotman, no, i cant even though sshd listen on port 443 |
| 16:49.47 | wols | abrotman: they could just block all incoming connections, which might be very sensible |
| 16:49.52 | abrotman | archetypo: don't start the interface |
| 16:50.00 | my007ms | cyzie, change sshd_config |
| 16:50.01 | abrotman | wols: i think he's trying to get out |
| 16:50.13 | my007ms | cyzie, make it any think u like |
| 16:50.20 | my007ms | cyzie, defualt is 22 |
| 16:50.22 | wols | cyzie: start at the beginning, what do you want to do? |
| 16:50.24 | cyzie | abrotman, wols yes, ssh to sshd from the company |
| 16:50.41 | archetypo | abrotman, i want eth0 to be used for the mini destination |
| 16:50.55 | cyzie | my007ms, have add port 443 and port 22, client still cannot establish to the ssd |
| 16:50.56 | abrotman | you just said you wanted to get rid of it |
| 16:51.00 | cyzie | s/ssd/sshd |
| 16:51.16 | wols | cyzie: tunnel over http |
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| 16:51.29 | cyzie | wols, meaning? |
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| 16:51.46 | wols | pack your ssh packets into http |
| 16:52.13 | cyzie | wols, mmmmmmmm.... okay..... but how do i do that exactly? |
| 16:52.28 | my007ms | cyzie, don't add |
| 16:52.32 | zer000 | when i try to install debian whith a netinstall cd, after, the fists steps of instalation, the sistem return an blue screen and the lights of my keyboard dont stop turn off, turn on, (sory for my bad english) |
| 16:52.42 | wols | httptunnel |
| 16:52.52 | SlayerXP | unlikely I know, but if you have IE handy, and wouldn't mind sanity checking a page for me, please indicate your willingness to assist. |
| 16:52.55 | my007ms | :D i have good idea for you cyzie |
| 16:52.59 | alex-weej | how can i find out what package a file belongs to? |
| 16:53.01 | my007ms | use iptabels |
| 16:53.01 | abrotman | SlayerXP: me! |
| 16:53.02 | my007ms | :D |
| 16:53.08 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i don't have IE .. but i'll check! |
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| 16:53.25 | abrotman | oxymoron? |
| 16:53.29 | SlayerXP | abrotman: well, I sort of need to know if a page looks sane in IE |
| 16:53.29 | SlayerXP | # |
| 16:53.33 | wols | zer000: which step exactly? |
| 16:53.41 | abrotman | SlayerXP: who cares?! |
| 16:53.43 | cyzie | wols, can u give example on how to do that? |
| 16:53.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:53.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:54.12 | wols | alex-weej: dpkg -S |
| 16:54.27 | wols | cyzie: no I cannot. ever heard of google? |
| 16:54.32 | alex-weej | wols: thanks |
| 16:54.55 | my007ms | wols, iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 500 -j drop |
| 16:55.04 | my007ms | wols, not work have idea what i miss |
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| 16:55.17 | wols | I doN#t have a clue what you even want to do |
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| 16:55.34 | wols | and I dunno if iptables has mark support for UIDs |
| 16:55.39 | my007ms | wols, i need to make exact you can noy use internet |
| 16:55.49 | wols | english please |
| 16:55.52 | abrotman | ask #iptables ? |
| 16:55.54 | cyzie | wols, please show a few quick howto links on how to achieve that? |
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| 16:56.04 | abrotman | cyzie: find them with google |
| 16:56.07 | my007ms | wols, i need to make exact user can not use internet |
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| 16:56.30 | wols | my007ms: are you sure your iptables has mark UID support? |
| 16:56.35 | speedsix | does anyone know how to force a package to reinstall all it's config files? I have removed /etc/apache2 and when I reinstall apache they are not recreated? |
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| 16:56.53 | abrotman | wols://findmestuffimtoolazytofind?query=httptunnel |
| 16:56.56 | my007ms | wols, who do i know exact but commnad have no error |
| 16:56.56 | wols | apache != apache2. two different packages |
| 16:57.08 | speedsix | wols, sorry I meant apache2 |
| 16:57.28 | wols | my007ms: /usr/share/doc/iptables/ is a great start to see what iptables can do. or so I heard |
| 16:57.32 | my007ms | wols, how do i know exact!! but commnad have no error |
| 16:57.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:57.48 | abrotman | my007ms: ask #iptables .. check netfilter.org or lartc.org |
| 16:58.09 | wols | my007ms: if you are too lazy to read docs, I'm sure not doing it for you. But I really like to flame you, so please continue |
| 16:58.26 | my007ms | :D |
| 16:58.51 | my007ms | do u have idea els iptables can do that |
| 16:58.57 | my007ms | lol |
| 16:59.07 | wols | yes I do. seen something about mark support lately |
| 16:59.16 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 16:59.16 | dpkg | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 16:59.34 | wols | that is if I understand what you even mean. it's kinda hard to decipher what you say with that broken english, typos and whatnot |
| 16:59.47 | abrotman | !tell my007ms about u |
| 17:00.01 | speedsix | anyone have any ideas how to get the apache2 package to reinstall /etc/apache2 config files? Thanks |
| 17:00.18 | abrotman | !tell speedsix about confmiss |
| 17:00.19 | wols | speedsix: remoev apache2 with purging, reinstall it |
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| 17:00.40 | abrotman | or that! |
| 17:01.00 | wols | abrotman: I'm for the easy but brutal solutions :) |
| 17:01.11 | abrotman | i thought perhaps he'd deleted them |
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| 17:02.55 | my007ms | :) man in #iptables don't know even what is this |
| 17:03.07 | abrotman | they probably can't understand you either |
| 17:03.16 | my007ms | :D maybe |
| 17:03.39 | lunitik | my007ms: what is your native tongue? |
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| 17:03.51 | Psy1 | my007 what are you trying to do? |
| 17:04.01 | my007ms | ok let's say that i don't know what is iptables is did any one have idea to make exact user can not user network |
| 17:04.12 | lunitik | Psy1: stop a user from accessing the internet |
| 17:04.32 | shogunx | deluser? |
| 17:04.36 | my007ms | :) |
| 17:04.47 | abrotman | my007ms: what is your native language? |
| 17:04.51 | my007ms | this is very good way to do that |
| 17:04.58 | my007ms | arabic |
| 17:04.58 | Psy1 | deluser <user> ? |
| 17:05.04 | abrotman | where's stoned when you need him |
| 17:05.13 | shogunx | hes stoned |
| 17:05.16 | abrotman | my007ms: use a proxy .. require a password .. don't give the user one |
| 17:05.16 | shogunx | :) |
| 17:05.34 | lunitik | my007ms: ahh... alaikom and stuff :o |
| 17:05.41 | abrotman | or .. give that user's mahcine a static ip . and block that IP |
| 17:06.04 | my007ms | so what they make -m owner --uid-owner for |
| 17:06.15 | my007ms | no i mean all user use the same PC |
| 17:06.28 | riot | does anyone know a package containing libortp.so.2? |
| 17:06.39 | abrotman | my007ms: for the love of $GOD .. ask #iptables |
| 17:06.39 | my007ms | but i need some of them can not use network and some othere can in the same PC |
| 17:06.45 | lunitik | riot: apt-get install apt-file |
| 17:07.02 | lunitik | riot: apt-file update && apt-file search that |
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| 17:07.12 | speedsix | abrotman, I've just tried apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 and I still don't have a /etc/apache2 dir? Confused :/ |
| 17:07.17 | riot | lunitik: thanks! |
| 17:07.27 | abrotman | speedsix: try apache2-common |
| 17:07.28 | stew | speedsix: apache2-common owns the configs, not apache2 |
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| 17:07.41 | speedsix | oh right thanks |
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| 17:07.54 | my007ms | belive me i ask them :) i real like chat in this channek it's like home and i remmber once wols have very smart solve |
| 17:08.08 | my007ms | any way thanks all much |
| 17:08.16 | abrotman | netfilter.org .. lartc.org |
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| 17:08.32 | speedsix | sorted, thanks alot! |
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| 17:10.03 | lunitik | riot: auto-apt would do what you want too... you'd need sudo set up for that though apparently |
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| 17:11.11 | ttyfscker | i want to know how i can change how everytime i plug my iPod in it loads rhythembox.. i want it to load gtkpod instead. can someone help me so i know what script/config to modify for this? |
| 17:13.18 | shining | are you using gnome? |
| 17:13.33 | ttyfscker | xfce4.4 |
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| 17:14.36 | shining | I don't know what's used for autoloading apps in xfce |
| 17:14.39 | lindenle | anyone know a worldcup stream I could watch? |
| 17:14.57 | my007ms | lindenle, TEdat.com.eg |
| 17:14.59 | my007ms | ;) |
| 17:15.09 | my007ms | lindenle, TEdata.com.eg |
| 17:15.38 | lindenle | my007ms: with mplayer? |
| 17:15.50 | abrotman | lindenle: try #worldcup |
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| 17:16.50 | a9913 | how do i change my hostname? |
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| 17:16.59 | my007ms | :) as u see abrotman it's nice some time to know arabic lol |
| 17:17.00 | Maulkin | man hostname |
| 17:17.11 | abrotman | my007ms: /msg dpkg u |
| 17:17.20 | lunitik | a9913: /etc/hostname |
| 17:17.24 | a9913 | Maulkin: thank |
| 17:17.30 | a9913 | lunitik: thank |
| 17:17.39 | a9913 | *thanks |
| 17:18.59 | rockstar_ | I've got a system that I'm setting up for a buddy of mine for his virgin trip into Linux, and I'd like to make E look a bit like OS X. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 17:19.24 | abrotman | i don't think you can make E look like OSX .. ask #e |
| 17:19.36 | abrotman | or try themes.org |
| 17:19.38 | a9913 | i'm getting this error almost every time i run something: unable to lookup a9913 via gethostbyname() |
| 17:19.41 | lunitik | rockstar_: KDE with top panel and things like ksmoothdock |
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| 17:19.55 | lunitik | rockstar_: umm... "OS X style menu bar" |
| 17:20.01 | Maulkin | rockstar_: The nearest I've found to os/x is xfce. |
| 17:20.04 | cahoot | why try to hide the brutal reality? |
| 17:20.21 | abrotman | xfce is like osx? |
| 17:20.27 | abrotman | why would you want it to look like osx anyways? |
| 17:20.53 | abrotman | http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/aqua_/ for e16 |
| 17:20.55 | lunitik | abrotman: likely he comes from OS X and wants it to be familier? |
| 17:21.16 | abrotman | it won't work the same ... |
| 17:21.51 | a9913 | after i changed my hostname, nothing works anymore!!! |
| 17:21.55 | rockstar_ | Maulkin, interesting. I've heard of, but never used xfce. |
| 17:22.10 | a9913 | i get this error: |
| 17:22.11 | a9913 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:22.11 | a9913 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
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| 17:22.41 | Maulkin | a9913: what did you change? |
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| 17:22.59 | a9913 | i tried both using hostname and /etc/hostname |
| 17:23.06 | lunitik | abrotman: Current Applications Menu Bar (Mac OS-style) setting in KDE would make him more at home... and make for more clean interfaces of apps ;) |
| 17:23.07 | a9913 | i even edited /etc/hosts |
| 17:23.17 | Maulkin | a9913: What's in /etc/hosts? |
| 17:23.19 | stoned | xfce4.4 will be the bees kness |
| 17:23.24 | abrotman | lunitik: doubtful .. |
| 17:23.25 | Maulkin | do you have a localhost line in there? |
| 17:23.25 | stoned | beta is in sid right now |
| 17:23.36 | stoned | and its quite beautiful, although leaks memory and is a bit unstable |
| 17:23.39 | a9913 | abrotman: superkaramba does have some osx like panels |
| 17:23.43 | a9913 | Maulkin: yes |
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| 17:23.43 | rockstar_ | abrotman, just want to ease him into Linux. He's the kinda person that would be super comfortable if it was familiar to him. |
| 17:23.51 | abrotman | a9913: so does gdesklets? |
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| 17:24.00 | Maulkin | stoned: [14:39:01] (meurer): I think we can do 4.4BETA2 tomorrow |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | i don't understand that .. it won't work the same .. so why make it look the same? |
| 17:24.13 | lunitik | abrotman: Mac OS is taughted for being clean... but if you look into menu's, they tend to be very cluttered, this is why... |
| 17:24.17 | stormrider_may | Does anyone know how can i make a ltsp terminal boot from grub? And how can i install grub in this sutuation? |
| 17:24.20 | a9913 | abrotman: but superkaramba is more kde |
| 17:24.21 | stoned | Maulkin, well, I haven't used xfce in months, sitll waitin on a stable 4.4 |
| 17:24.24 | abrotman | i think OSX sucks |
| 17:24.33 | stoned | why? |
| 17:24.35 | Maulkin | stoned: Not had problems withj it :) |
| 17:24.38 | abrotman | i don't work well with it |
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| 17:24.41 | lunitik | abrotman: people don't look into the menu's much when they're not part of the app... so it doesn't seem cluttered |
| 17:24.43 | rockstar_ | abrotman, Yea, I'm an e fan, especially after I just installed e17... |
| 17:24.53 | stoned | abrotman, ahh yah, same with me and anything but debian now, I'be been so spoiled by it |
| 17:24.54 | abrotman | rockstar_: so just give him E |
| 17:24.57 | abrotman | erm e17 |
| 17:24.58 | shogunx | e17 is the bomb |
| 17:25.02 | stoned | I gotta have it my way, or no way |
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| 17:25.05 | rockstar_ | abrotman, I played with the idea... |
| 17:25.10 | abrotman | stoned: i have a mac .. it has debian on it :) |
| 17:25.14 | lunitik | abrotman: Mac OS has its issues... but some things it did were great... simularly things that Windows did are great, but has a lot of issues too... |
| 17:25.24 | abrotman | really .. i don't think anything in OSX is good |
| 17:25.31 | stoned | abrotman, so have I, on my powerbook 3400c, still running sarge/testing |
| 17:25.32 | stoned | lol |
| 17:25.45 | abrotman | of course .. you think kde is good .. so your taste may be of some question |
| 17:25.46 | lunitik | abrotman: some interface things were done on good merit... |
| 17:25.52 | stoned | hahah |
| 17:25.55 | stoned | you butthole |
| 17:25.56 | stoned | lol |
| 17:26.00 | abrotman | don't you have a soccer game to watch? |
| 17:26.09 | lunitik | abrotman: 4 more minutes ;) |
| 17:26.21 | rockstar_ | abrotman, is it a new MacBook Pro? I like them, but haven't seen much linux support at all. Don't want OS X on it. |
| 17:26.23 | abrotman | i can't find a single redeeming quality about OSX |
| 17:26.27 | abrotman | rockstar_: mac mini |
| 17:26.31 | stoned | its alrigh |
| 17:26.40 | lunitik | abrotman: about the only thing Windows did right was its Kpart functionality... |
| 17:26.46 | stoned | every OS has its uses, pros and cons, nothing is universal, except debian |
| 17:26.53 | stoned | and yes, I proclaim my undying love for it |
| 17:27.11 | rockstar_ | abrotman, Yea, didn't like the video card in it... but I guess that doesn't matter. Is it Intel Core Duo? |
| 17:27.25 | abrotman | rockstar_: i got it because it was PPC |
| 17:27.27 | charzero | debian has one con. X. |
| 17:27.35 | rockstar_ | abrotman, for development then? |
| 17:27.40 | abrotman | rockstar_: toy :) |
| 17:27.43 | stoned | another stupid statement |
| 17:28.01 | rockstar_ | abrotman, Ha! Wanna marry my sister? |
| 17:28.03 | lunitik | abrotman: KDE is as close as I can find to my perfect desktop... your perfect desktop might be defined otherwise however... but you shouldn't put down others tastes |
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| 17:28.20 | stoned | abrotman, i recommend Granama's Boy. Hilarious movie, watch it if you haven't gotten a chance yet |
| 17:28.26 | stoned | Grandma |
| 17:28.28 | abrotman | lunitik: your taste sucks |
| 17:28.28 | a9913 | yay! it's working now after restarting the x server |
| 17:28.36 | abrotman | rockstar_: because i have a PPC toy ? |
| 17:28.37 | lunitik | abrotman: so does yours |
| 17:28.44 | abrotman | lunitik: go watch soccer |
| 17:28.48 | lunitik | abrotman: we seem to have come to an agreement :P |
| 17:28.50 | stoned | you can't say subjective things suck, thats retarded |
| 17:28.54 | Maulkin | lunitik: You could try following: http://users.utu.fi/ljtaim/ubuntuosx.php but bear in mind, that's ubuntu instructions, not debian ones |
| 17:29.04 | Maulkin | lunitik: But most of it shoudl work |
| 17:29.04 | charzero | subjective things suck! |
| 17:29.11 | rockstar_ | abrotman, no, because you buy toys... |
| 17:29.28 | mtomczak | stoned: http://paulgraham.com/taste.html |
| 17:29.30 | rockstar_ | Toys are toys, and I think I probably keep toy companies in business.... |
| 17:29.31 | abrotman | rockstar_: oh .. it didn't cost that much |
| 17:29.31 | lunitik | Maulkin: I wasn't the one asking for OS X looks... |
| 17:29.43 | mtomczak | Not saying he's right, but it's certainly an attempt to say exactly that. :) |
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| 17:29.50 | rockstar_ | abrotman, Yea, but you bought it for the toy concept, that's it. |
| 17:29.57 | lunitik | Maulkin: I'm the one that gets flamed daily for liking KDE ;) |
| 17:29.59 | Maulkin | lunitik: oops, sorry |
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| 17:30.11 | Maulkin | rockstar_: You could try following: http://users.utu.fi/ljtaim/ubuntuosx.php but bear in mind, that's ubuntu instructions, not debian ones, but it shoudl work |
| 17:30.28 | abrotman | rockstar_: we'll see . i need to get a TVout hookup for it .. and maybe a bluetooth kb/mouse |
| 17:30.28 | stoned | oh fuck that, I'm not reading that whole page |
| 17:30.28 | rhalff | rockstar_, just pick one of these: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ :) |
| 17:30.28 | stoned | way too long |
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| 17:32.27 | rhalff | why can't lenovo just also put a webcam in those thinkpads, instead of that stupid fingerprint reader :) |
| 17:32.54 | abrotman | because it's for business .. not 15 year old girls |
| 17:33.00 | alex-weej | MYSPACELOL |
| 17:33.13 | j-linux | I've just installed Debian for the first time. It's an old celeron 500mhz computer. Knoppix worked fine on it so I did the net install of debian. For some reason I cannot get the resolution above 800x600, although it was 1280x768 by default in knoppix. Added "1024x768" to each screen line in XF86Config-4. |
| 17:33.15 | rockstar_ | abrotman, I use a Apple Mighty Mouse and an Apple Keyboard. Love the Mighty Mouse, but the keyboard is probably the best development keyboard I've ever owned. |
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| 17:33.31 | rhalff | abrotman, right, business don't need webcams ? |
| 17:33.32 | abrotman | rockstar_: they don't make a bluetooth mighty mouse i don't think |
| 17:33.41 | abrotman | rhalff: no .. they have real AV equipment :) |
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| 17:34.15 | rhalff | abrotman, ok every employee travels with a tv crew, didn't know that :p |
| 17:34.21 | lunitik | j-linux: if the driver is correct... just remove resolutions you don't want... |
| 17:34.35 | abrotman | rhalff: it's bad enough my boss calls me .. i dont' want to see him too |
| 17:34.47 | lunitik | j-linux: note default depth though, you only need to change the settings for that selection |
| 17:34.51 | rockstar_ | rhalff, I'd NEVER buy a lenovo PC. You don't know what kinds of spyware those crazy Chinese people put in there. If it's not good enough for the U.S. Government, it's not good enough for me! |
| 17:34.54 | rockstar_ | *sarcasm* |
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| 17:35.30 | rockstar_ | abrotman, I don't think so, not yet. Mighty Mouse has the three buttons though, which is why I got that. |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | i'd want a bluetooth one |
| 17:35.51 | shogunx | abrotman put the boss into the infinite menu loop with your phone system;) |
| 17:35.53 | rhalff | pff, I trust the chinese a whole lot more then americans |
| 17:36.18 | rhalff | but that was probably the sarcasm :) |
| 17:37.08 | j-linux | lunitik: I also tried "xrand" (fluxbox) and it didn't say anything but 800x600. Does that matter? If I remove 800x600, then maybe x won't start? |
| 17:37.25 | rockstar_ | rhalff, Yea, well, being an American, I'd say that there are still some good Americans... some a little tainted by capitalism, but still some good ones... |
| 17:37.36 | lunitik | j-linux: those apps just read whats in your config file... |
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| 17:38.03 | rhalff | rockstar_, I'm sure there are also good chinese, soon to be spoiled by capitalism also btw :) |
| 17:38.05 | rockstar_ | Anyone know if I can theme entrance? |
| 17:38.06 | lunitik | j-linux: if the conf file doesn't define it, *randr can't do it |
| 17:38.10 | j-linux | linitik: strange. It still says only 800x600 even after I modified XF86Config-4 and rebooted |
| 17:38.32 | lunitik | j-linux: you removed other options in there? |
| 17:39.04 | j-linux | lunitik: no... I'll try that. Do I have to reboot after changing, or just Ctrl-Alt-backspace? |
| 17:39.08 | rockstar_ | rhalff, No way! Chinese people have it down, censoring all that bad internet stuff. I mean seriously, who wants to read about Tienneman's Square anyway? :o) |
| 17:39.15 | lunitik | j-linux: *only* force if the driver is correct... but make sure it only lists the resolution you want if the driver is correct... |
| 17:39.38 | lunitik | j-linux: just restart x... ctrl+alt+backspace is one way |
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| 17:40.01 | j-linux | lunitik: by driver you mean the Device in the XF86Config file? It just says Device "Generic Video Card" |
| 17:40.22 | rockstar_ | entrance keeps trying to start e16... I don't have e16 installed. Can someone tell me how to take that out of the list? |
| 17:40.58 | lunitik | j-linux: no... there should be a driver option just below that... if that says 'vesa' you fucked up |
| 17:41.02 | rhalff | rockstar_, I don't know what's more bad censoring, or crawling weblogs to gather too free speech |
| 17:41.52 | rockstar_ | rhalff, too free speech? No such thing! People should be able to do whatever they want! Burn flags, spit on people... ANARCHY! --:o) |
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| 17:42.24 | rhalff | neh, "there ought to be a limit to freedom" :p |
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| 17:42.47 | Psy1 | because it's america! if you don't like it.. you can get the HELLLL out |
| 17:42.50 | lunitik | Anyone know when kickoff actually is? probably 11 PST huh? |
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| 17:43.05 | lunitik | Psy1: the government won't let me :/ |
| 17:43.05 | j-linux | lunitik: the word device doesn't appear in my file. Let me check again. |
| 17:43.13 | Psy1 | yeah I know - don't tell them I said that |
| 17:44.28 | abrotman | take it to #worldcup |
| 17:45.30 | cahoot | lunitik: in 15 mins |
| 17:46.22 | lunitik | cahoot: thats a long time... I don't know how abrotman will manage it :P |
| 17:46.35 | abrotman | i don't have to? |
| 17:46.52 | lunitik | abrotman: I was kidding :/ |
| 17:47.15 | lunitik | rhalff: I'll fight you for her! |
| 17:47.44 | Cybodog | lol, just installed citgo package, apt-listbugs listed sever but with it "citogo is to much fun" |
| 17:48.03 | Cybodog | but=bug |
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| 17:49.24 | lunitik | Cybodog: what is it? I don't see it in the archive :( |
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| 17:53.11 | j-linux | linitik: here is my XF86Config-4: http://pastebin.ca/83359 I couldn't see a "driver" on it. |
| 17:53.18 | SerajewelKS | is there a command-line vorbis player (a la ogg123) that will take the filenames on the command line and play them in the order of their track number? |
| 17:53.18 | j-linux | any ideas? |
| 17:53.25 | SerajewelKS | !any ideas |
| 17:53.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 17:53.49 | flixil | dpkg: Can i be your friend? xDD |
| 17:54.04 | j-linux | lunitik: arrg.. it does say "vesa" |
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| 17:54.35 | jamescarr | is there anyway to make all applications in kde use the same fonts, even non "K" ones like firefox? |
| 17:54.56 | wols | j-linux: what videocard do you have? |
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| 17:55.59 | j-linux | wols: Intel - I wrote it down... looking for the paper now... just a min |
| 17:56.02 | SerajewelKS | jamescarr: not really. at least i haven't found a way that doesn't produce nasty side effects. |
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| 17:56.37 | wazer | Im lookin for a doc/faq on megaraid s438 ultra-2 scsi installation |
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| 17:57.56 | jamescarr | damn |
| 17:58.03 | jamescarr | SerajewelKS, that sucks |
| 17:58.34 | j-linux | wols: Intel 810 chipset grapics drive PV1.1 (DC100) |
| 17:58.41 | jamescarr | It throws your theme out of whack when you have a nice font, then firefox comes along with it's gay aliased sans serif font |
| 17:58.47 | wols | then choose the i810 driver |
| 17:58.49 | wols | !drxx |
| 17:58.49 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 17:58.51 | stoned | jamescarr, yes you can, but they won't look EXACTLY the same |
| 17:59.00 | TARZEAU | I WANT A PONY: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~npreyss/files/pony.jpg |
| 17:59.07 | SerajewelKS | jamescarr: maybe use konqueror |
| 17:59.08 | j-linux | wols: ok... I'll look that up. Thanks. |
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| 17:59.17 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 17:59.18 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:00.20 | abrotman | TARZEAU: get back in your cage! |
| 18:00.37 | stoned | jamescarr, the gtk apps will render your fonts a bit weird, but qt apps will render then fine. If you are a K user, then you should get gtk2-engines-gtk-qt or gtk-theme-switch which gives you the switch(for gtk1) and switch2(gtk2) apps theme/font styles |
| 18:00.59 | stoned | jamescarr, gtk2-engines-gtk-qt however provides a kcontrol module for chaning gtk fonts/styles |
| 18:01.17 | stoned | s/chaning/changing |
| 18:01.18 | SerajewelKS | jamescarr: but in most cases it screws over gtk apps |
| 18:01.25 | stoned | SerajewelKS, indeed |
| 18:01.31 | TARZEAU | abrotman: btw i finished all 40 levels of www.ri-li.org |
| 18:01.53 | abrotman | freak |
| 18:01.56 | SerajewelKS | jamescarr: Qt and Gtk don't play well together; don't bother trying to make them friends |
| 18:02.38 | jamescarr | I noticed |
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| 18:02.38 | lunitik | j-linux: then you need to setup the correct graphics card... people here will help you... world cup final just started though |
| 18:02.54 | wireddd | is there anyway I can make totem or mplayer or my entire system send everything through a proxy? |
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| 18:03.01 | stoned | SerajewelKS, that is NOT entirely true. I can show you guys a screenshot where I've successfully made them look almost identical |
| 18:03.08 | SerajewelKS | jamescarr: i would settle for colors, but noooo... that's too much to ask too |
| 18:03.20 | phaedrus444 | is the unzip command only unzip foo.zip? |
| 18:03.30 | SerajewelKS | stoned: presumably accomplishing that wasted time that would be better spent, no? ;) |
| 18:03.46 | linrunix | hey everybody |
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| 18:03.48 | SerajewelKS | phaedrus444: that is one incantation, sure |
| 18:04.07 | stoned | SerajewelKS, don't tell me shit about MY time, thank you |
| 18:04.14 | j-linux | lunitik: I guess just bad timing for me then ;) I have 3 computers on here... just trying to get this old one running. Maybe will try it later. |
| 18:04.17 | rockstar_ | SerajewelKS, I'm with you, and I think it's because of the languages they were written in. GTK is for C development (C++ is a pain, which made me give up GTK and move to QT), and QT was designed for C++ development |
| 18:04.19 | jkp__ | anyone know how to get 1680x1050 output on debian / xfree86? |
| 18:04.27 | stoned | jamescarr, http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kde.jpg |
| 18:04.31 | jkp__ | ive tried adding the modes to my xfree config but to no avail |
| 18:04.42 | SerajewelKS | rockstar_: presumably you mean you gave up QT and moved to GTK |
| 18:04.42 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 18:04.43 | dpkg | x md5sum is probably If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are ... |
| 18:04.57 | SerajewelKS | stoned: jeez, calm down. it was a joke. |
| 18:05.00 | rockstar_ | jkp__, I did it, before I moved to xorg. It's plain Jane install if you have the driver in there right. |
| 18:05.05 | wazer | need some help with ami megaraid s438 ultra-2 scsi ? |
| 18:05.18 | stoned | SerajewelKS, are we on a joking basis? Who the hell are you anyway? Now shush. |
| 18:05.18 | jkp__ | rockstar_: ehehehe- im lost |
| 18:05.25 | abrotman | wazer: yes .. i'd like some |
| 18:05.31 | jkp__ | what did you do exactly? more to the point hat do you recommend i do? |
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| 18:05.53 | SerajewelKS | stoned: remind me not to talk to you next time you speak... oh, oops... |
| 18:06.20 | rockstar_ | jkp__, What's your video card? |
| 18:06.21 | stoned | jamescarr, if you will notice in the screenshot, xchat controls and textbox font is the same one as the one used in kde. DejaVu Serif Condensed |
| 18:06.28 | jkp__ | im not so sure because im working in a VM |
| 18:06.49 | stoned | SerajewelKS, then stop telling people what they can or can't accomplish, or give half assed/false information |
| 18:06.54 | wazer | abrotman: I NEED SOME HELP |
| 18:07.06 | stoned | wazer, turn off your caps lock please |
| 18:07.09 | jkp__ | rockstar_: any way to tell what it emulates? |
| 18:07.12 | stoned | or don't use all caps, whatever |
| 18:07.29 | abrotman | he's just frustrated ... doesn't like humor |
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| 18:07.39 | abrotman | wazer: we need a bit more info .. what kind of issue are you having? |
| 18:07.44 | Psy1 | just break your caps lock key off, and your left shift key.. to deter you from using caps where it isn't needed |
| 18:08.01 | wazer | no releases are recognizing the scsi controller |
| 18:08.03 | SerajewelKS | stoned: we went over that. (1) it was a joke, if you don't like jokes, say so. no need to get pissy. (2) we all give the best information we can. i speak from experiences i've had. if i'm incorrect, let me know without attacking. |
| 18:08.29 | stoned | SerajewelKS, then don't fucking tell me I wasted my time. Now shush |
| 18:08.42 | abrotman | wazer: you tried 2.4 and 2.6 on sarge? |
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| 18:08.49 | SerajewelKS | god... |
| 18:08.50 | blondie | hmm |
| 18:09.06 | wazer | 2.4 on woody will work....anything sarge doesnt work |
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| 18:09.13 | blondie | my auth.log is being weird... things are being logged to auth.log.0 instead of auth.log -- wtf |
| 18:09.29 | SerajewelKS | and i add ";)" to things to avoid specifically this kind of misunderstanding |
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| 18:10.44 | blondie | what program is meant to update auth.log? syslogd? |
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| 18:12.02 | blondie | all ignore me then :'( |
| 18:12.04 | pihhan | propably syslog, and ssh also |
| 18:12.15 | lurker99 | blondie: looks like your log-roller rolled the files but never HUP'd the syslog daemon... |
| 18:12.17 | SerajewelKS | pihhan: ssh uses syslog iirc |
| 18:12.35 | blondie | hm |
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| 18:12.57 | pihhan | SerajewelKS, i werent sure |
| 18:13.11 | jkp__ | shame, would be really nice to be able to get widescreen in linux as well |
| 18:13.17 | jkp__ | it works with windows as the guess os |
| 18:13.20 | SerajewelKS | has anyone got any suggestions for a good music organizer? amarok eats 100% CPU.. muine inserts noise between tracks.. |
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| 18:13.28 | blondie | hmm ok |
| 18:13.40 | blondie | fixed now... stupid thing |
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| 18:16.48 | stoned | SerajewelKS, let me give you something abrotman swears by. Quodlibet |
| 18:16.59 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
| 18:17.01 | stoned | I tried it and its a bitch to setup with everything amarok does, but its minimal |
| 18:17.19 | stoned | python+gtk and its quite nice, less resource hogging |
| 18:17.19 | SerajewelKS | stoned: hmm i think i tried that one a while back |
| 18:17.27 | abrotman | a kde app using 100% cpu .. i'm shocked |
| 18:17.51 | stoned | hey! back off. kde is good |
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| 18:18.49 | stoned | amarok doesn't eat 100% cpu btw, unless its from SVN maybe or a very old version with bugs |
| 18:18.52 | j-linux | My monitor is dell ultrascan p780. The user manual says "optimal preset resolution 1024x768 at 85hx" and max 1600x1200 at 60hz. This debian config tool gives me the options 1024x768 @60Hx, @70Hz, and @75Hz. Which one is best/safe? |
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| 18:19.22 | SerajewelKS | stoned: no, the latest debian package does |
| 18:19.36 | stoned | j-linux, I always chose advanced, give the proper monitor info, and specify my own modes |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | sid or etch ? |
| 18:19.45 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I don't think so |
| 18:19.46 | SerajewelKS | stoned: after about a half hour of playing it starts eating 100% CPU and won't stop until it's closed |
| 18:19.48 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: did you get your friend installed? |
| 18:19.53 | j-linux | stoned: is there a way to go backwards? I already chose "medium" |
| 18:19.59 | SerajewelKS | stoned: it does |
| 18:20.03 | stoned | !drxx j-linux |
| 18:20.03 | dpkg | j-linux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:20.15 | rockstar_ | jkp__, I have dual 19" widescreens on my desk... try lspci and look for your video card in there. |
| 18:20.16 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no, 2.6.15 doesn't have sky2, remember? debian doesn't have sky2 at all. |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:20.29 | j-linux | stoned: how do I ask about xmd5? |
| 18:20.36 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 18:20.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell> |
| 18:20.38 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i thought it had been fixed, but it just takes longer to happen now. |
| 18:20.53 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=374293 |
| 18:21.00 | abrotman | !dbugs 374293 |
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| 18:21.01 | stoned | j-linux, http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 18:21.02 | j-linux | thanks |
| 18:21.04 | jkp__ | rockstar_: when the machine comes back |
| 18:21.04 | dpkg | #374293:W[amarok] amarok: cpu load is too high; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:33:02 UTC |
| 18:21.24 | stoned | alright lets find out |
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| 18:21.35 | abrotman | j-linux: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 18:21.48 | rockstar_ | jkp__, You reboot? |
| 18:21.51 | j-linux | getting clustrophobic with this 800x600 screen... hard to read :S |
| 18:21.54 | stoned | amarok has been running all night, on 0 volume, playing random songs from my hue playlist, lets find out how much cpu it is using. I am using 1.4.1 btw |
| 18:21.56 | jkp__ | rockstar_: yeah |
| 18:22.11 | SerajewelKS | stoned: 1.4.0a-1+b1 here |
| 18:22.17 | stoned | well thats probably why |
| 18:22.34 | stoned | its fine here |
| 18:22.39 | stoned | htop |
| 18:22.40 | stoned | doh |
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| 18:22.49 | SerajewelKS | stoned: this was fixed between 1.4.0 and 1.4.1? |
| 18:22.52 | abrotman | what .. no ktop ? |
| 18:23.13 | stoned | you kde disser you |
| 18:23.15 | stoned | lol |
| 18:23.18 | jkp__ | with you a sec rockstar_ |
| 18:23.23 | SerajewelKS | so abrotman gets to make jokes an i don't |
| 18:23.34 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I don't know you, I've known abrotman for years |
| 18:23.55 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: come on .. noone takes a damn thing i say seriously :) |
| 18:24.12 | SerajewelKS | stoned: since when is familiarity required to make friendly jests |
| 18:24.13 | stoned | abrotman, is like Hyde from the 70's show, he hates everything |
| 18:24.16 | CHodapp | what are you crazy kids doing... |
| 18:24.20 | rockstar_ | SerajewelKS, abrotman and stoned are regulars here... they could get away with murder... --:o) |
| 18:24.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that is true... |
| 18:24.30 | SerajewelKS | rockstar_: i've been a regular for over a year |
| 18:24.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: but you're not here *all the time* |
| 18:24.53 | stoned | abrotman, show him the stats page |
| 18:24.54 | rockstar_ | SerajewelKS, really? I guess I have too, but I'm not here *all the time* either. |
| 18:24.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: by "here" you mean "at the keyboard"? |
| 18:25.17 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 18:25.18 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 18:25.18 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 18:25.19 | dpkg | hmm... bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 18:25.20 | abrotman | stoned: that one ? |
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| 18:25.23 | stoned | yes |
| 18:25.42 | SerajewelKS | i'm #39 |
| 18:25.56 | abrotman | OMG .. i've never been on top before! |
| 18:26.04 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
| 18:26.08 | abrotman | DAMN IT! |
| 18:26.09 | stoned | haha, bullshit |
| 18:26.19 | jkp__ | rockstar_: i just have VGA compatible controller |
| 18:26.22 | stoned | you've always been like right behind stew |
| 18:26.24 | stoned | now you're on top |
| 18:26.56 | SerajewelKS | damn, this is great fun to read out of context |
| 18:27.49 | abrotman | stoned: look at 2005 |
| 18:27.51 | rockstar_ | jkp__, Uh, do you have a hardware ID on it? Google that. |
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| 18:28.01 | st_iron | hi |
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| 18:28.10 | jkp__ | rockstar, i think its a hack, its a VM remember |
| 18:28.22 | jkp__ | Unknown device aaaa:1121 |
| 18:28.38 | stoned | yeh, thats when I had a fulltime job and 18 credit hours of school |
| 18:28.43 | Orfeous | please look at this.. |
| 18:28.45 | Orfeous | http://pastebin.ca/83367 |
| 18:28.54 | Orfeous | what can be wrong? any hardware in computer or? |
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| 18:29.48 | stoned | abrotman, whatever happened to bob2? |
| 18:29.53 | abrotman | stoned: he went poof |
| 18:30.05 | stoned | I saw him in #ubuntu a few times last year |
| 18:30.19 | SerajewelKS | bleh, #39... i didn't know i was that hooked on #debian. granted abrotman is quite the addict. |
| 18:30.21 | abrotman | Orfeous: crappy network ? |
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| 18:30.33 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i do lots of other stuff |
| 18:30.43 | abrotman | i'd be bike riding if i wasn't slightly hungover |
| 18:30.48 | Orfeous | it can be my network card that are causing this |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | i went to quidam last night |
| 18:30.54 | stwelin | does anyone have any experience with configuring a wacom tablet? |
| 18:31.02 | blondie | abrotman: then you must have a computer on your bike for irc |
| 18:31.07 | abrotman | !wacom |
| 18:31.08 | dpkg | it has been said that wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
| 18:31.10 | stoned | abrotman, I watched Grandma's Boy last night, and man I tell ya, I can't wait for this job to go through so I can toke again |
| 18:31.11 | abrotman | blondie: eh .. no |
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| 18:31.28 | SerajewelKS | i know, abrotman is a bot! |
| 18:31.32 | Orfeous | reboot |
| 18:31.33 | Orfeous | brbr |
| 18:31.36 | abrotman | and i wear umbrella hats |
| 18:31.38 | stwelin | thanks. |
| 18:31.51 | blondie | abrotman: but you're always here. |
| 18:32.02 | abrotman | blondie: so are lots of other people |
| 18:32.04 | rockstar_ | abrotman, umbrella like the corporation? |
| 18:32.11 | abrotman | would you all rather if i go away ? |
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| 18:32.24 | abrotman | rockstar_: umbrella hat |
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| 18:32.50 | SerajewelKS | hmm, quodlibet doesn't do gapless |
| 18:32.57 | stoned | mmm, hotwings, ranch, carrots, and an energy drink. Thats what I call breakfast at 1:30 pm |
| 18:33.10 | blondie | abrotman: no, I'm just saying... I can hardly complain about it. |
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| 18:33.43 | blondie | my sign on time is only 4 days atm as I went off in a strop on tuesday x.x |
| 18:33.44 | SerajewelKS | granted, amarok's gapless hasn't really been gapless in my experience |
| 18:33.46 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I am on testing right now, I backported 1.4.1. You can also use the sid binary packages, but it takes a bit of work to satisfy the depends |
| 18:33.53 | SerajewelKS | stoned: does amarok do real gapless now? |
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| 18:34.06 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I don't know what that means |
| 18:34.24 | SerajewelKS | stoned: gapless track transitions |
| 18:34.39 | Z_God | at some point I found a very good guide online explaining how to create kernel module packages |
| 18:34.44 | Z_God | I can't find it anymore though |
| 18:34.53 | SerajewelKS | stoned: this version won't do it even though it's enabled. like it's not buffering the next track or something. |
| 18:34.58 | Z_God | does anyone know a good guide on creating module packages? |
| 18:35.09 | steve_dondley | to compile curl extentions into php I need with-curl=<dir>...how do I get those header files. I try apt-get source libcurl-ssl-dev but it says there's no such package. |
| 18:35.16 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I dunno, I don't really care. It plays music, and thats about all I care for |
| 18:35.45 | stoned | 127 Artists |
| 18:35.45 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.59 | stoned | SerajewelKS, ask in #amarok |
| 18:36.04 | SerajewelKS | stoned: of course, but when i'm listening to vangelis, track gaps are annoying |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | steve_dondley: isn't there a php-curl package? |
| 18:36.43 | stoned | yeah, when I need my songs to be gapless, I rip a complete audio cd, not individual tracks. Are you pirating music? |
| 18:37.02 | SerajewelKS | stoned: no, vangelis ripped to ogg, but in tracks |
| 18:37.04 | steve_dondley | abrotman: yes, but I'm rolling my own because I need special config options. |
| 18:37.17 | SerajewelKS | stoned: the sid amarok only needs a newer sqlite apparently |
| 18:37.22 | abrotman | steve_dondley: try curl-dev or something like that |
| 18:38.02 | steve_dondley | I tried just about all the ones here: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=curl&searchon=names&subword=1&version=oldstable&release=all |
| 18:38.28 | SerajewelKS | stoned: rather annoying since i use mysql =/ |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | libcurl3-dev |
| 18:38.29 | steve_dondley | I do apt-get source <packagename> right. |
| 18:38.32 | steve_dondley | ? |
| 18:38.42 | steve_dondley | I'm using woody, still :) |
| 18:38.51 | abrotman | !woody |
| 18:38.51 | dpkg | woody is, like, the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 will be terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 18:38.52 | abrotman | upgrade |
| 18:38.56 | stoned | amarok has alwyas depended on sqlite as a backup |
| 18:39.11 | abrotman | i think it would be libcurl-dev |
| 18:39.57 | steve_dondley | Just get a "unable to find source package error" still |
| 18:40.16 | abrotman | from what? |
| 18:40.22 | abrotman | what command? |
| 18:40.34 | steve_dondley | apt-get source libcurl-dev |
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| 18:41.13 | abrotman | there isn't a source package for that |
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| 18:41.15 | abrotman | !tell flixil about root |
| 18:41.30 | steve_dondley | so then how do I get the header files? I don't see them anywhere? |
| 18:42.01 | wols | apt-get install libcurl-dev |
| 18:42.08 | steve_dondley | I installed libcurl-ssl-dev and dont see header files, unless I looked in the wrong place. |
| 18:42.16 | steve_dondley | where do I look? |
| 18:42.19 | SerajewelKS | stoned: well that was simple enough. hopefully it won't eat CPU again. |
| 18:42.22 | wols | what's the headerfile's name? |
| 18:42.31 | steve_dondley | I don't know. |
| 18:42.56 | steve_dondley | i did a "find" on lbcurl and couldnt' find them. |
| 18:43.04 | wols | libcurl3-dev |
| 18:43.18 | wols | that's what you will need to install |
| 18:43.24 | abrotman | steve_dondley: apt-get install libcurl-dev |
| 18:43.31 | steve_dondley | i'm on woody |
| 18:44.09 | wols | then do what abrotman said |
| 18:44.14 | wols | and upgrade |
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| 18:44.31 | SerajewelKS | stoned: and it appears to do gapless transitions. awesome. |
| 18:44.42 | mne | hi guys |
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| 18:45.06 | steve_dondley | I got to get rid of cruft before I upgrade and don't know how to do that. I'm hiring someone to do that for me. |
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| 18:48.54 | mne | hi guys. I'm just sniffing on my LAN. I'd be interrested of there's a tool that can be used to actually see the websites other users on the lan are viewing. so instead of seeing all the html code, it would be really cool to see the sites the same way than in a brower. any hints ? |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 18:49.27 | abrotman | or look in your bind logs |
| 18:50.01 | SerajewelKS | mne: or don't since that's an evil nasty thing to do |
| 18:50.06 | abrotman | though .. i'm not sure why you care what your users are looking at |
| 18:50.28 | mne | SerajewelKS, sure it is ;) |
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| 18:51.10 | jmstacey | Will iptables get cleared if the computer is restarted? |
| 18:51.15 | SerajewelKS | jmstacey: yes |
| 18:51.48 | jmstacey | ok, thanks :) |
| 18:52.00 | steve_dondley | abrotman: damn, ok, it is asking me to upgrade glibc now after I did an apt-get install libcurl-dev. Is it going to be safe to proceed? |
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| 18:52.08 | stoned | oh man, that redbull is kikcing my ass |
| 18:52.10 | SerajewelKS | jmstacey: to persist, man iptables-save; man iptables-restore; and man interfaces and look at pre-up |
| 18:52.14 | abrotman | steve_dondley: eh .. shouldn't do that |
| 18:52.36 | steve_dondley | yeah, well, it also downloaded a bunch of sarge packages. |
| 18:52.42 | flixil | hi :) |
| 18:52.55 | steve_dondley | I did an apt-get update a little while back. And now it thinks I"m a sarge machine. |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | steve_dondley: what do your sources look like? |
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| 18:53.13 | steve_dondley | They say "stable" |
| 18:53.19 | abrotman | well ..s table is sarge |
| 18:53.24 | abrotman | woody is woody or oldstable |
| 18:53.24 | steve_dondley | right |
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| 18:53.48 | steve_dondley | did I just fuck up? |
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| 18:54.28 | abrotman | depends how you define fuck up |
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| 18:54.40 | abrotman | you've started the upgrade to sarge |
| 18:54.49 | steve_dondley | Will it be ok to have some sarge packages mixed in with woody? |
| 18:54.56 | abrotman | not really |
| 18:55.11 | steve_dondley | I'll have to upgrade everything, right? |
| 18:55.18 | abrotman | eventually |
| 18:55.51 | steve_dondley | well, this server is going to sarge anyway. But right onw it is live. I just don't want the thing to crash on me. |
| 18:56.31 | steve_dondley | but I suspect I won't be ble to compile php now. |
| 18:56.38 | abrotman | you might or might not |
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| 18:56.45 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 18:56.45 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 18:56.48 | kolaje | My nvidia drivers for my geforce4 420 go are finally installed and working properly, however there is a half-inch vertical black bar while using x on the right side of my screen. i have heard this is a "margin" and i need to use a "formula" to set the display correct. apparently there was a howto in /usr/doc/*howto* but there isn't. can anyone help? |
| 18:57.34 | steve_dondley | That's not encouraging :) |
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| 18:58.09 | abrotman | steve_dondley: what .. you don't want to be mr bobbitt? |
| 18:58.20 | stoned | OMG! |
| 18:58.29 | stoned | lol |
| 18:58.40 | steve_dondley | Hey, my wife's name is Lorena. Serious. :) |
| 18:58.53 | stoned | some woman in alaska did that, they found her husband's wee wee all iced up in the pipes |
| 18:59.13 | stoned | she flushed it down, I remember reading about it some years ago |
| 18:59.28 | steve_dondley | ok, i backed out of that glibc change. |
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| 18:59.45 | steve_dondley | Some package were installed, though. |
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| 18:59.57 | abrotman | it's just a crash .. |
| 19:00.48 | steve_dondley | screw it, I"ll handle this when I get my new server up. |
| 19:00.57 | steve_dondley | It's running sarge. |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | the special curl install ? |
| 19:01.05 | abrotman | erm .. php install |
| 19:01.08 | steve_dondley | no reason to take stupid risks. |
| 19:01.23 | j-linux | I'm trying this dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again with the advanced setup. It says "enter your monitor's horizontal sync range". Is that the "horizontal scan range 30kHz to 85kHz" from my manual? I would just type 30-85 ? |
| 19:01.33 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:01.49 | j-linux | thanks... |
| 19:02.13 | steve_dondley | abrotman: but that leads me to an obvious question: how to I configure the debian php4 package with the with-curl option compiled in so I don't have to roll my own? |
| 19:02.53 | steve_dondley | I haven't done such an advance thing before. |
| 19:02.54 | j-linux | what happens if you make a typo? Is there any way to go back? |
| 19:02.54 | Sir-vince | I have 3 linux servers, how do i open a telnet chat session between those, but it must still be possible for windows clients to connect |
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| 19:02.56 | abrotman | steve_dondley: why do you want it compiled in isntead of as a module ? |
| 19:03.24 | Gnurdux | the current version of xchat looks like crap, because spellcheck was enabled during compile, and even disabling spellcheck doesnt fix it |
| 19:03.25 | steve_dondley | oh, yeah, good point. I'm a dummy. Just apt-get install php-curl |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | you said you needed a special config |
| 19:04.12 | steve_dondley | abrotman: yeha, let me show you how php is configured now, hold on |
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| 19:04.59 | steve_dondley | abrotman: './configure' '--with-apxs' '--with-config-file-path=/etc/php4' '--enable-magic-q uotes' '--with-regex=system' '--enable-xml' '--with-imap=/usr/local/imap-2004a' '--with-xmlrpc' '--wi th-gd' '--enable-exif' '--with-jpeg-dir' '--with-zlib-dir' '--with-iconv' |
| 19:05.16 | abrotman | ok .. and this is bad? |
| 19:05.17 | steve_dondley | is there a debian package for each of these options? |
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| 19:05.35 | abrotman | probably .. apt-cache search php |
| 19:06.56 | steve_dondley | I don't see one for inconv |
| 19:06.59 | steve_dondley | iconf |
| 19:07.03 | steve_dondley | iconv |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | maybe it's a different name |
| 19:08.18 | abrotman | wait .. that doesn't seem right |
| 19:08.23 | abrotman | imap shouldn't be in /usr/local/ |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | is that your compile or the debian one? |
| 19:08.39 | steve_dondley | that's my compile |
| 19:08.48 | steve_dondley | how do I tell what debian compiled it with? |
| 19:08.53 | abrotman | in the rules fule |
| 19:08.54 | abrotman | file |
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| 19:09.14 | steve_dondley | not familiar with it. Is the some magic dpkg command that will tell me? |
| 19:09.19 | abrotman | nope |
| 19:09.21 | steve_dondley | s/the/there/ |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | grab the source for the php package .. look in the rules file |
| 19:09.41 | steve_dondley | ok |
| 19:09.54 | nvz | hmm. I got etch running in vmware player.. last night xorg was working, now when it boots gdm reports that no valid font paths are found and the server cant start.. I am not sure where to start on this since I am new to xorg :P |
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| 19:10.46 | phigmac | hi guys, can anyone tell me if there is a php5-domxml deb package anywhere? |
| 19:10.59 | phigmac | it doesn't seem to be part of the etch tree |
| 19:11.28 | steve_dondley | abrotman: downloaded the source on my sarge server. Where do I go to see the sources. Sorry for such a newb question. |
| 19:11.49 | abrotman | either $CWD or /usr/src/ |
| 19:11.56 | nvz | !+info php5-domxml |
| 19:11.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:12.00 | dpkg | Package 'php5-domxml' does not exist. |
| 19:12.11 | nvz | phigmac: sure doesnt, and doesnt seem to be in sid either :-/ |
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| 19:13.17 | phigmac | i'm not sure how to get domxml with php5 |
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| 19:14.35 | steve_dondley | abrotman: ok, found the source. Looking for rules file. Hmmm...or do I look in Makefile? |
| 19:14.57 | steve_dondley | found it. |
| 19:14.59 | nvz | phigmac: nothing found on apt-get.org either. |
| 19:15.01 | steve_dondley | in debian directory |
| 19:15.32 | steve_dondley | abrotman: cool, I'm learning something |
| 19:15.44 | abrotman | oh .. i didn't mean to have that happen |
| 19:15.49 | steve_dondley | with-iconv is in there. Awesome. |
| 19:15.52 | nvz | phigmac: I dont know what to tell you other than find the upstream code and build your own package... then maybe serve it somewhere and list it on apt-get.org for others |
| 19:15.54 | steve_dondley | hehe |
| 19:16.33 | steve_dondley | I went with Debian because I tend to be a purist, not because I'm extremely knowledgeable. |
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| 19:16.44 | nvz | isnt there a website that could tell you why a package like the php5-domxml he is looking for hasnt made it into debian? |
| 19:16.54 | steve_dondley | many, hours of frustration, but worht it. |
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| 19:17.21 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 19:17.22 | dpkg | wnpp is, like, Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
| 19:17.44 | phigmac | nvz: hehe that would be nice |
| 19:17.53 | nvz | I need help resolving xorg fatal error "no font paths found" it was working last night now something went wrong *shurg* as far as I know I did nothing to cause it.. shutdown properly and didnt modify config or packages |
| 19:18.17 | phigmac | i'm looking at a page that's telling me how to use php5 as an apache module and use php4 as cgi |
| 19:18.18 | phigmac | maybe that'll work |
| 19:18.37 | disorder | nvz: are paths confgured? try reconfigure |
| 19:19.40 | nvz | phigmac: its not on that wnpp in progress or requested list either.. so if you arent going to build package and distribute it, would probably be a good idea to at least request it |
| 19:20.17 | nvz | disorder: I will try dpkg-reconfigure.. but the font paths all seemed to be there as the log showed them all being removed from the list because it says the paths in the config dont actually exist |
| 19:20.28 | phigmac | can you msg me where to request that? |
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| 19:21.14 | steve_dondley | abrotman: do you happend to know if the php4-doxml package does the same as the with-xml option |
| 19:21.16 | steve_dondley | ? |
| 19:21.50 | nvz | phigmac: no, scroll up and read what dpkg said or /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | steve_dondley: no idea ... |
| 19:22.10 | abrotman | steve_dondley: the description might say |
| 19:22.18 | steve_dondley | yeah, just about to look |
| 19:22.22 | nvz | hmm I guess I better check my font packages.. whatever they are called |
| 19:23.26 | disorder | nvz: hmm, i have that in log too, but then i get "(**) FontPath set ..." with all paths starting /usr/share/fonts |
| 19:23.28 | nvz | I got a full list of font paths in my config and half a dozen or more xfonts-* packages xfonts-base, 100dpi, 75dpi, encodings, sca;able, utils |
| 19:24.14 | nvz | maybe something I installed could have messed it up? like when I installed the minimum profit editor it pulled in defoma and I dont know if that has anything to do with it.. but I think it has worked even since then |
| 19:24.26 | disorder | nvz: i have all paths in xorg.conf twice |
| 19:24.41 | nvz | I am sure it ignores duplicates |
| 19:25.09 | steve_dondley | abrotman: but theoretically, if the deiban default intall didn't meet my requirements, I could modify the rules file? |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | yep |
| 19:25.40 | steve_dondley | ok, that's great to know. Always wondered how to do that. |
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| 19:26.05 | steve_dondley | I'll try to find something on google that spell out how to do that. |
| 19:26.10 | disorder | nvz: for /usr/X11R6/... which are non-existent and for /usr/share/... |
| 19:26.12 | linux_user400354 | how can i mount an lvm partition in debian? |
| 19:26.46 | disorder | nvz: "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist. |
| 19:26.49 | disorder | and |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | linux_user400354: did you ask #ubuntu ? |
| 19:27.11 | disorder | nvz: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc is valid |
| 19:27.37 | nvz | well my font paths in xorg.conf are right and I verified that the paths exist and contain the fonts from the fonts packages.. I am gonna try restart gdm.. maybe it just needed to put the crackpipe down or something |
| 19:28.53 | steve_dondley | thanks abrotman. Appreciate the help and patience. |
| 19:28.58 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 19:29.30 | nvz | disorder: ok it failed again same error, yes you are right there are /usr/X11R6/ paths all of which say they have been removed from the path.. but all the /usr/share/fonts/X11 paths exist and there is no mention of them being found or removed in the output |
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| 19:30.05 | linux_user400354 | do i need a module or some software to be able to mount lvm? |
| 19:30.12 | abrotman | corp-mule-: fix your computer |
| 19:30.15 | abrotman | linux_user400354: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:30.17 | nvz | I cant even imagine why the hell its refusing to use fonts that are obviously there |
| 19:30.21 | disorder | nvz: weird. try rebuild the cache with fc-cache |
| 19:30.26 | nvz | ok |
| 19:30.31 | linux_user400354 | ubuntu is stupid they are newbs |
| 19:30.37 | Coweater | then run debian |
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| 19:31.09 | linux_user400354 | im using a live cd |
| 19:31.18 | abrotman | so you want to mount lvm on ubuntu |
| 19:31.43 | linux_user400354 | yes |
| 19:31.57 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 19:31.59 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:32.03 | abrotman | linux_user400354: so ask #ubuntu |
| 19:32.11 | nvz | linux_user400354: you need software and modules to use lvm. you need the multi-disk module which is for lvm and raid.. and as far as mounting I dont thing you need any special software but to manipulate lvm volumes you would. as you dont actually mount the lvm you mount the filesystems on it.. the kernel just needs to understand the lvm partitions |
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| 19:33.04 | nvz | linux_user400354: as for how to do that using an ubuntu kernel, we simple cannot help you as we dont use ubuntu and are not familiar with thier kernels |
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| 19:34.31 | nvz | bah I am still getting no valid font path found, even after updating the font cache |
| 19:35.08 | nvz | I am gonna go remove or at least comment out the invalid font entries including defoma paths for now cause I dont know what to do, but I know that will be 12 or more less warnings |
| 19:36.25 | nvz | ok, well the warnings didnt dissapear so I guess I determined its not reading /etc/X11/xorg.conf as the config for some reason *shrug* |
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| 19:37.24 | phigmac | nvz: ah, sorry I missed that, was readin a page at the same time |
| 19:37.37 | nvz | bah but the /var/log/Xorg.0.log says that the config is /etc/X11/xorg.conf.. either this is the wrong log or something is really fucked up here |
| 19:38.57 | disorder | nvz: not trying to open :1 screen? |
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| 19:39.23 | nvz | ok I figured something out.. starting gdm the log reads XFree86 3.3.6 and the config is /etc/XF86Config WTF? XFree86 3.3.6 has been removed from debian years ago.. and I am using testing, and last night gdm was starting Xorg |
| 19:39.31 | nvz | disorder: ^ |
| 19:40.08 | nvz | the output gdm shows says something that completly baffles me.. I dont know how its even possible its trying to start XFree at all much less 3.3.6 |
| 19:41.24 | nvz | xinit starts the same thing.. I have nothing but xserver-xorg* packages, I have no xserver-xfree* packages installed |
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| 19:42.36 | nvz | furthermore there are no xserver-xfree86 packages in etch only a transition package which isnt installed because I dist-upgraded from a base install |
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| 19:43.11 | nvz | I dont understand how last night this all worked and now today something in this system thinks I have Xfree and I have no idea where to start :P |
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| 19:44.56 | stoned | nvz, my pc gets possessed too |
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| 19:45.38 | nvz | yeah well its a virtual machine.. so its probably easier to posess especially since its a guest on winxp |
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| 19:46.36 | deformative | I have a question, what sets debian appart from other distros? |
| 19:46.48 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 19:46.48 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 19:47.02 | nvz | but all strange paranormal activity aside.. this is rediculous |
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| 19:47.23 | nvz | I am on etch where the hell is it getting this XFree86 3.3.6 shit from |
| 19:47.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:47.48 | nvz | shut up, its not funny :P |
| 19:48.06 | abrotman | i think it is .. but i'm warped |
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| 19:48.24 | stoned | I dunno, lately sid has been a bit too unstable for me, so I'll wait a few weeks, its still installed on my other partition, I just put in a new disk and put testing on it. /home is a seperate disk so I got all my settings, and imported my confs from /etc on sid to testing |
| 19:48.34 | stoned | I love sid, but its the first time I got annoyed with it in YEARS |
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| 19:48.52 | nvz | whats next, update alternatives or something? I dont know how it would have even gotten this as a possibility |
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| 19:49.58 | serfurj | i'm trying to install sun-j2re1.5, but i get this error: "Package sun-j2re1.5 is not available, but is referred to by another package." i'm using the "etch main contrib non-free" sources. any idea why i'm getting this error? |
| 19:50.16 | nvz | because sun java isnt in debian |
| 19:50.19 | pctony | good evening all... I was wondering of there is a good guide on getting PAM to plug into OpenLDAP ? |
| 19:50.26 | pctony | please |
| 19:50.28 | nvz | you have to install java-package and build it yourself |
| 19:51.25 | serfurj | nvz: strange that it shows up with bash's apt-get install autocompletion |
| 19:51.42 | nvz | serfurj: there is no apt-get install autocompletion |
| 19:51.55 | nvz | serfurj: you are completing a file in your current directory |
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| 19:52.17 | caue | debian hasn't import? |
| 19:52.22 | caue | to take screenshots |
| 19:52.22 | serfurj | nvz: no, there's no file named that |
| 19:52.51 | nvz | then its some internal command, I dont know what to tell you.. there is no auto completion on package names |
| 19:53.07 | nvz | you can argue a moot point or you can just do what I told you,ffs |
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| 19:53.12 | disorder | caue: ImageMagick |
| 19:53.28 | stoned | caue, apt-get install scrot && man scrot |
| 19:53.45 | stoned | caue, or scrot blah.png or whatever |
| 19:53.54 | serfurj | nvz: just trying to understand why that showed up. thanks for the help |
| 19:54.17 | stoned | btw |
| 19:54.29 | stoned | serfurj, apt-get install wajig && man wajig |
| 19:55.30 | nvz | serfurj: I have no idea, but no version of bash or apt completes package names. in order for a shell to do this it would have to have a special completion script that parses the apt cache and its just not the case with any of our shells |
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| 19:56.15 | nvz | bash only completes internal commands, and things within the current working directory or path AFAIK |
| 19:56.19 | stoned | serfurj, if you want, you can also source ~/.bashrc to ~/.bash_profiles and make an alias in bashrc toalias search='sudo apt-cache search' or alias install='sudo apt-get install' or whatever. Thats the closest you'll come to making shortcuts, but there is no autocompletion for this |
| 19:56.54 | serfurj | i'll try that. thanks for the help |
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| 19:57.00 | jelly-home | nvz: my etch bash completes package names. |
| 19:57.02 | nvz | you need to download a linux binary for the sun java installer and run it through java-package |
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| 19:57.13 | stoned | jelly-home, I could use a script like that |
| 19:57.25 | stoned | nvz, its actually easier to backport it |
| 19:57.31 | stoned | nvz, that what I did |
| 19:57.49 | nvz | jelly-home: well I am on etch and using bash, and its not happening for me |
| 19:57.50 | stoned | !simple sid backport |
| 19:57.50 | jelly-home | nvz: that is, after I source /etc/bash_completion |
| 19:57.51 | dpkg | simple sid backport is probably 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 19:58.06 | stoned | !info sun-java5-jre sid |
| 19:58.08 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-07-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7261 kB, Installed size: 15820 kB |
| 19:58.27 | stoned | there you go, I find it quicker and easier than going to sun, agreeing to some crap, clicking tons of tims |
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| 19:58.32 | stoned | gah, wasteful effort |
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| 19:58.40 | nvz | jelly-home: ah, interesting.. I stand corrected |
| 19:58.51 | stoned | jelly-home, word! |
| 19:59.01 | serfurj | nvz: apt-get install bash-completion |
| 19:59.34 | nvz | but there still isnt any package or meta-package containing a sun jre unless you built one and installed it |
| 20:00.01 | stoned | well, you have to backport the *jre and *bin packages, just two |
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| 20:00.26 | stoned | sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-07-1_i386.deb, sun-java5-jre_1.5.0-07-1_all.deb, sun-java5-plugin_1.5.0-07-1_i386.deb |
| 20:00.32 | nvz | serfurj: thats not required. I dont have it installed, and the completion you mentioned does in fact work as according to jelly-home |
| 20:00.33 | stoned | these are the only 3 you need to backport from sid |
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| 20:02.19 | stoned | nvz, I absolutely hate navigating the damn sun website |
| 20:02.40 | jelly-home | serfurj: apparently apt-get completion is built in /etc/bash_completion, so take a look there if you're interested in how does it look for packages. |
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| 20:04.54 | nvz | I figured my X problem out.. the fucking vmware tools must have linked /usr/X11R6/bin/X to /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_VMware which is some ancient XFree server |
| 20:05.15 | nvz | I deleted /usr/X11R6/bin/X and recreated the right link |
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| 20:05.52 | nvz | stoned: I dont bother navigating shitty websites like that.. thats what google is for |
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| 20:06.05 | stoned | nvz, word |
| 20:06.51 | stoned | but yeah man, I always keep those 3 java packages in /home seperate disk, on every debian install I just install em and thtts it |
| 20:06.54 | stoned | saves much time |
| 20:07.40 | nvz | I should make a factoid about vmware-tools fucking X, in case we get anyone else running a virtual machine.. |
| 20:07.49 | ZombB | I have a problem with kprinter and cupsys, I have allready set the server adress to localhost:631 in kde controllcenter, but this only affects the root acount. When I am not operating the controllcenter as root it still shows me server: /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631, any suggestions? |
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| 20:08.12 | mortalman | Anyone have any idea why all my sounds are coming out of my internal speaker instead of my attached speakers in etch? |
| 20:08.16 | krausen | how do I make stuff I stick in /etc/resolve.conf stay between boots? |
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| 20:08.31 | krausen | sarge |
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| 20:09.08 | mortalman | save? |
| 20:09.10 | mortalman | j/k idk |
| 20:09.16 | pctony | hi, I have just run apt-get install libnss-ldap, following the instructions here ~ http://people.debian.org/~torsten/ldapnss.html ~ but the installation failes with error Bareword found where operator expected at -e line 1, near "s-^# *rootbinddn .*-rootbinddn cn=admin,dc=eta-beta" yntax error at -e line 1, near "s-^# *rootbinddn .*-rootbinddn cn=admin,dc=eta-beta" |
| 20:09.17 | krausen | hehe |
| 20:09.21 | pctony | any ideas ? |
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| 20:09.52 | mortalman | not i |
| 20:09.54 | SerajewelKS | karsten: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:09.58 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 20:10.01 | SerajewelKS | krausen: ^^^ |
| 20:10.03 | disorder | krausen: do you have DHCP? |
| 20:10.26 | clarissa | meow? |
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| 20:11.08 | stoned | nvz, go for it |
| 20:11.19 | SerajewelKS | karsten: this will prevent anything from modifying resolv.conf at all |
| 20:11.24 | stoned | nvz, lots of people actually come in here asking vmware support on debian |
| 20:11.31 | stoned | nvz, make a factoid or two |
| 20:11.42 | stoned | tell em to fuck off lol |
| 20:11.43 | stoned | j/k |
| 20:11.58 | krausen | SerajewelKS, yeah...that would work, but I wonder what the heck is modifying (wiping) it? |
| 20:12.14 | krausen | maybe I should be sticking my modifications elsewhere |
| 20:12.18 | ZombB | o.k. now I have got it |
| 20:12.22 | disorder | krausen: do you have DHCP? /etc/dhclient-script rewrites it |
| 20:12.22 | krausen | (damn, that sounded bad) |
| 20:12.38 | nvz | its not a matter of vmware support. vmware is just like supporting debian on any other computer. its just another brand of pc |
| 20:12.42 | krausen | hmmm...if I do, it shouldn't haev it on... |
| 20:12.48 | krausen | will check |
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| 20:13.17 | nvz | its the extra propriatary driver software that causes the problems |
| 20:13.41 | nvz | and its really not needed just to make it work.. its just supposedly a performance enhancer |
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| 20:14.17 | rxed | Is there something like 'MS OneNote' for Debian/Linux? |
| 20:14.29 | nvz | this vmware player is pretty slick though.. you can run a real debian system without having to buy vmware workstation |
| 20:14.43 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 20:14.54 | stoned | free debian sarge image is available for vmware player |
| 20:14.57 | Kurtism | I've never seen a OneNote Clone for Linux |
| 20:15.07 | nvz | stoned: really? where? |
| 20:15.09 | stoned | I've actually created a xp image I used under linux |
| 20:15.13 | rxed | Kurtism: ah, that's too bad. |
| 20:15.15 | nvz | stoned: on vmware.com? |
| 20:15.16 | stoned | nvz, you can find them online |
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| 20:15.24 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 20:15.26 | stoned | nvz, not sure, google for it man, its there I've downloaded and used it |
| 20:15.28 | Kurtism | I haven't looked hard though |
| 20:15.34 | SerajewelKS | rxed: what is OneNote? |
| 20:15.45 | Kurtism | you might beable to find a OneNote Clone out there somewhere |
| 20:15.56 | rxed | SerajewelKS: it's a scap book, note book, note organizer, etc. |
| 20:16.04 | stoned | nvz, I'd help you look, but I'm trying to find porn right |
| 20:16.07 | stoned | higher priority ya know |
| 20:16.09 | mortalman | Anyone have any idea why all my sounds are coming out of my internal speaker instead of my attached speakers in etch? Normaly(Sarge/XP), the internal is diabled when I connect external speakers. |
| 20:16.09 | stoned | ;) |
| 20:16.09 | SerajewelKS | rxed: sounds kind of like a wiki |
| 20:16.15 | nvz | stoned: hmm.. I just made my own.. |
| 20:16.18 | rxed | SerajewelKS: no. it's not a wiki :) |
| 20:16.22 | stoned | nvz, that also works |
| 20:16.28 | SerajewelKS | rxed: i said "kind of like" |
| 20:16.44 | Kurtism | one note is great for tablet PC's |
| 20:17.00 | stoned | all 12 notes are great universally |
| 20:17.04 | SerajewelKS | rxed: but no i'm not aware of any such equivalent |
| 20:17.10 | stoned | well, in the pythagirian harmonized string system |
| 20:17.25 | nvz | stoned: I made an etch install with 10gb max image that grows as you fill it. I am trying to cram as much preinstalled stuff as possible and still be able to transport it on a dvd with the vmware player for win/lin |
| 20:17.27 | stoned | where A = 215 instead of 220 |
| 20:17.39 | stoned | 215 == barouque pitch for the key of A |
| 20:17.40 | stoned | :D |
| 20:17.56 | stoned | 220 is slightly higher pitched, for contemporary classical |
| 20:18.02 | stoned | and I'm blathering again about offtopic shit |
| 20:18.06 | stoned | argh |
| 20:18.15 | nvz | right now I am gonna add wine, dosemu, sun java, and w32codecs |
| 20:18.20 | stoned | nice |
| 20:18.21 | Kurtism | that's what happens when you smoke too much weed |
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| 20:18.40 | dabreegster | stoned: Have you watched Requiem for a Dream? |
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| 20:18.55 | stoned | nvz, put it up on a torrent site if you get a chance, im sure others could use it, that is, if you feel generous enough |
| 20:19.00 | nvz | and a few old dos/windows games that will run in wine or dosemu and are now considered freeware.. just to demonstrate that it is possible to make win crap run nativly |
| 20:19.03 | stoned | dabreegster, depressing movie, didn't like it |
| 20:19.27 | dabreegster | stoned: I'm determined to watch it soon. |
| 20:19.39 | stoned | dabreegster, eh.. its a disturbing movie |
| 20:19.48 | jelly-home | nvz: install crossover and M$ office if you want to impress people with win crap |
| 20:19.50 | Kurtism | anybody use VDR? |
| 20:19.52 | stoned | dabreegster, its almost as disturbing as The General's Daughter |
| 20:19.59 | stoned | which was actually based on a true story |
| 20:20.05 | nvz | stoned: I am just trying to convince a few hard-headed people that they have to try debian before they say they dont need it. cause they are the kind of people that would rather go through the aggrivation of pirating 2nd rate propriatary software then just seeing what the free stuff can do |
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| 20:20.11 | dabreegster | stoned: Never seen that, I might check it out |
| 20:20.13 | Kurtism | didn't she get raped or something? |
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| 20:20.35 | stoned | Kurtism, thanks for reminding me again, jeez |
| 20:20.37 | stoned | shush |
| 20:21.15 | stoned | nvz, awesome, I wish you good luck with that. I do that to people all the time. I got fired from a local mom n pop shop, called Computer NERDZ! for advocating freeware and opensource and saying shit about MS |
| 20:21.15 | stoned | lol |
| 20:21.24 | stoned | nvz, I know exactly how people like that can be |
| 20:21.25 | nvz | jelly-home: I dont want to impress them with it, I just want to show them that not only does linux do everything better but it can even do what windows does. specifically how we've written our own programs that do the same things. from openoffice to free doom and warcraft engines |
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| 20:21.41 | SerajewelKS | nvz: IMO dosbox would be a better choice than dosemu |
| 20:21.44 | nvz | reads all the propriatary crap without the need for their software |
| 20:22.03 | nvz | SerajewelKS: thats what I meant.. I use dosbox not dosemu |
| 20:22.08 | SerajewelKS | nvz: ah okay =) |
| 20:22.19 | stoned | nvz, I wonder... |
| 20:22.21 | stoned | !seen nvs |
| 20:22.22 | dpkg | nvs <~colin@cwv.tor.istop.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 607d 21h 56m 55s ago, saying: 't_aquinas: If you're using a router, they can be configured separately.'. |
| 20:22.31 | stoned | damn, I wonder what happened to that guy |
| 20:22.32 | Kurtism | Heroes of Might and Magic 6 should be coded on linux |
| 20:22.33 | nvz | I tested supaplex and the other dos games I have on dosbox, and they work well |
| 20:22.35 | stoned | I haven't seen him in years |
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| 20:22.50 | SerajewelKS | nvz: commander keen is especially fun |
| 20:22.52 | jordi_ | nvz: Where are you? I'm currently in a similar situation, where I'm trying to convince people that violating license agreements of proprietary software (for want of a better term, I don't like the word "piracy") isn't as smart as simply using free software. |
| 20:22.56 | eucalre | good |
| 20:23.03 | nvz | stoned: some of those people may be hanging out on OFTC or other networks.. or just too busy to irc |
| 20:23.12 | stoned | I suppose |
| 20:23.13 | pctony | chaps any ideas on my libnss-ldap issue please ? |
| 20:23.22 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah I used to play those games back in their day. |
| 20:23.29 | stoned | btw guys |
| 20:23.45 | stoned | secret level 32 on doom2: hell on earth.. you can't pass the level without killing commander keen |
| 20:23.46 | stoned | :) |
| 20:23.51 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i never quite get bored with them =) |
| 20:24.02 | nvz | JordiGH: I live in Star City... its on the WVU campus |
| 20:24.02 | JordiGH | stoned: idclip! |
| 20:24.14 | JordiGH | nvz: Uuhhh... what country? |
| 20:24.15 | stoned | 4 times. commander keen is hanging.. JordiGH ahh man, fuck cheating |
| 20:24.16 | stoned | lol |
| 20:24.35 | stoned | star city man comon |
| 20:24.35 | stoned | usa |
| 20:24.39 | JordiGH | stoned: Did you ever get to level 32 without cheating? |
| 20:24.39 | nvz | JordiGH: West Virginia University is in West Virginia, US |
| 20:24.41 | stoned | everyone should know that |
| 20:24.46 | stoned | JordiGH, yes |
| 20:25.13 | stoned | JordiGH, I played that game constantly, I used to skip school and play the game |
| 20:25.14 | jamescarr | people still play Doom 2? |
| 20:25.15 | stoned | I almost flunked 7th grade because of that game |
| 20:25.19 | stoned | jamescarr, every day man |
| 20:25.22 | stoned | every single fucking day |
| 20:25.23 | stoned | :) |
| 20:25.30 | clarissa | i dont :p |
| 20:25.37 | JordiGH | stoned: I didn't skip school, but I did play it through at least once in ultraviolence. Good times. You had to jump off a really high ledge in level 15 to get to 31. |
| 20:25.40 | stoned | clarissa, you should stop pretending to be a girl |
| 20:25.50 | stoned | clarissa, and don't msg me again without asking please |
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| 20:25.55 | jamescarr | heh_v_water, Doom2 came out when I was in 7th grade I think |
| 20:25.57 | JordiGH | id is kinda nice in releasing their engine. What's the license anyways? |
| 20:26.12 | clarissa | stoned, um are you okay ? O.o" |
| 20:26.22 | jamescarr | BSD |
| 20:26.25 | stoned | clarissa, I am not going to repeat myself |
| 20:26.36 | jamescarr | not some viral license like the GPL, thank god |
| 20:26.38 | stoned | I think ID released engine source under GNU/GPL |
| 20:26.44 | stoned | quite sure of it |
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| 20:26.49 | stoned | its not a bsd liscense afaik |
| 20:26.58 | nvz | stoned: apperently you never read shakespear |
| 20:27.18 | pctony | guys whats the name of the bot. ,aybe it can help me |
| 20:27.25 | pctony | maybe* |
| 20:27.31 | stoned | nvz, apart from his stuff in highschool, no. I did however like the canterbury tales, jeff. chaucer |
| 20:27.37 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 20:27.38 | dpkg | msg the bot is probably please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell> |
| 20:27.52 | pctony | cheers stoned |
| 20:28.01 | stoned | pctony, http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 20:28.05 | nvz | stoned: the scene of Romeo & Juliet by the pool, where she's talking about a name not being like any part belonging to a man... a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.. |
| 20:28.19 | pctony | cheers again |
| 20:28.22 | stoned | pctony, I am working on the wiki page at the moment right now. It should be all inclusive of all bots, incase dpkg is down |
| 20:28.40 | stoned | so if dpkg is down, you can use the other bots, info should be on the wikipage by tonight |
| 20:28.41 | heh_v_water | they still using blootbot for dpkg? |
| 20:28.43 | stoned | yes |
| 20:28.49 | abrotman | heh_v_water: as opposed to? |
| 20:28.59 | nvz | If I told everyone to start calling me Christine I would still be a man :P |
| 20:29.03 | heh_v_water | eggdrop yadda yadda |
| 20:29.09 | stoned | nvz, whats in a name :) |
| 20:29.12 | abrotman | nvz: doubtful |
| 20:29.16 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
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| 20:29.57 | jamescarr | hey, any debian users here want to spare their fluxbox configuration with me? |
| 20:30.06 | stoned | jamescarr, www.dotfiles.org |
| 20:30.15 | JordiGH | The Debian package of freedoom doesn't mention any specific license, but grants the four freedoms. |
| 20:30.18 | stoned | or .com or .net i can't recall |
| 20:30.31 | JordiGH | !info freedoom |
| 20:30.35 | dpkg | freedoom: (free game files for the 3D game DOOM), section games, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6626 kB, Installed size: 17940 kB |
| 20:30.49 | nvz | I choose Christine cause there is a girl in my hometown whos first and middle names are Christine Tara, and she rather be called Tara pronounced all with the same vowel sounds as the word Car.. she doesnt like her first name.. and I always told her Christine is a much prettier name than Tara. |
| 20:30.57 | nvz | sounds like a stripper name or something |
| 20:31.10 | nvz | cant hate on your name like that, especially when its not a bad name |
| 20:31.36 | jamescarr | I hurd debian was going to become proprietary |
| 20:31.37 | JordiGH | Fun fact: "Tara" means "mental disability" in Spanish. |
| 20:31.37 | robin_sz | nvz: well, you'll pnly have yourself to blame when she grows up to be a stripper then |
| 20:31.41 | stoned | JordiGH, use freedoom iwad + the jdoom doomsday 3d engine with the 3d models, and EVERYting looks like ORIGINAL doom. All jdoom needs is a iwad, sicne fredoom contains different graphics from original doom, jdoon overwites them with the 3d models that look like original doom. So literally, you can play th eoriginal doom game with freedoom iwad, except that the levels would be different, but objects would look the same |
| 20:32.01 | roberto | AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH PENALTY KICKS! |
| 20:32.05 | robin_sz | sigh .. is this #debian? |
| 20:32.12 | nvz | robin_sz: I never told her it sounded like a stripper name.. I was always nice to her.. even though I hate her mother and shes kind of annoying too |
| 20:32.30 | stoned | JordiGH, what do you think about that sir :) |
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| 20:33.02 | JordiGH | stoned: Oh, I didn't know about jdoom. I got the original doom2 iwad from, uh, a backup that I had. |
| 20:33.02 | nvz | robin_sz: and she's about 19 or 20 now and I dont think she's ever going to be a stripper. she's not the type, and she dont really have much to show off anyhow.. she'd be one broke stripper if she did |
| 20:33.24 | stoned | JordiGH, right, backup ;) hehe, but just saying, its a cool little deal. god bless opensource |
| 20:33.29 | JordiGH | stoned: Do I get a combat shotgun? I want a combat shotgun too. |
| 20:33.36 | stoned | yes, weapon models are also changed |
| 20:33.54 | stoned | JordiGH, as well as the sounds, everything becomes like REAL original doom but just the levels maps are freedombased |
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| 20:34.45 | stoned | JordiGH, plus it has ded and dhack support, so you can actually change weapons models functions yourself, create entirely new weapons. Take a look at batman doom. You can actualy throw weaons too |
| 20:35.12 | JordiGH | Alrighty, where's this jdoom thing? Not in Debian. Off to google. |
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| 20:35.27 | stoned | google for the doomdsay doom engine |
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| 20:35.39 | stoned | JordiGH, compile from source or use 3rd party sarge .debs |
| 20:35.42 | robin_sz | nvz, well see |
| 20:35.48 | nvz | I had a question and I got sidetracked :P |
| 20:35.49 | stoned | JordiGH, non sarge packages dont' exist |
| 20:35.53 | jamescarr | I heard MS is going to release the halo 2 engine under GPL |
| 20:36.05 | robin_sz | yeah right |
| 20:36.24 | JordiGH | stoned: They're not in sid either, unless I'm not looking properly. |
| 20:36.27 | nvz | I am looking to samba mount a flash drive from the windows host my etch virtual machine is running on.. what packages do I need? smbfs and smbclient dont seem to be in etch |
| 20:36.32 | JordiGH | jamescarr: Stop trolling. The GPL is a good thing. |
| 20:36.46 | syntaxx | when trying to connect outside thru imap my imap port should not be firewalled? |
| 20:36.48 | stoned | JordiGH, I said 3rd party. Not in main or contrib/nonfree |
| 20:36.49 | clarissa | i cant boot installed debian etch but he can't find /dev/sdb1 |
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| 20:37.03 | stoned | JordiGH, google for it, you'll find some guy actually made em for sarge, but I don't have the link |
| 20:37.15 | heh_v_water | anyone know what would cause a module to build and install but not be available to load? used m-a a-i madwifi-source .. builds fine says it installed but there's no module available.. running etch btw |
| 20:37.20 | jamescarr | JordiGH, not trolling, wishful thinking |
| 20:37.26 | jamescarr | Halo2 rocks |
| 20:37.27 | robin_sz | dreaming |
| 20:37.28 | JordiGH | Oh, it's a real 3d engine! |
| 20:37.35 | stoned | JordiGH, INDEED! |
| 20:37.43 | stoned | and you can jump! |
| 20:37.47 | JordiGH | Neato! It's sorta like Cube. |
| 20:37.56 | stoned | JordiGH, Im a doom nerd |
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| 20:38.12 | stoned | I dind' tcare for doom3 at all, I still play and deathmatch my buddies everyday almost in doom classic |
| 20:38.14 | JordiGH | Who isn't? :-) |
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| 20:38.37 | nvz | stoned: yeah cause doom 3 sucked and was nothing like the other games |
| 20:38.41 | ^ | . |
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| 20:38.49 | infernix | pong. 'nuff said. |
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| 20:38.59 | ^ | . |
| 20:39.03 | clarissa | JordiGH, do you have knowledge about debian etch boot problems? |
| 20:39.10 | abrotman | ^: do you have a question about debian? |
| 20:39.15 | YogSothoth | hi! |
| 20:39.16 | stoned | actually, the first video game was sort of an alien shooter created in the late 60's in MIT |
| 20:39.16 | ^ | . |
| 20:39.24 | stoned | way before pong |
| 20:39.30 | YogSothoth | I can't manage to mount my remote home folder on my local machine. Mount says mount: RPC: Program not registered. What's the problem? |
| 20:39.30 | stoned | ^, stop that please |
| 20:39.30 | purdeaandrei | hi! i have a toshiba laptop (satellite pro 4300 series). i remember that the toshiba utilities worked on it fo sure on a later distribution. now i installaed testing, and it doesn't work anymore. the toshiba module doesn;t get loaded automatically, but the toshiba utils don;t work, not even afet i do a modprobe toshiba. does anyone have any idea, wath i should check??? |
| 20:39.32 | ^ | . |
| 20:39.32 | nvz | !ops ^ is an idiot |
| 20:39.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: nvz complains about: ^ is an idiot |
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| 20:39.48 | ^ | . |
| 20:39.50 | JordiGH | clarissa: Uhm, sometimes. But I don't know how to answer your question, sorry. |
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| 20:40.07 | clarissa | JordiGH, hm okay :/ |
| 20:40.11 | abrotman | Maulkin: thank you |
| 20:40.17 | mentor | ^: Do you have a Debian related support question... |
| 20:40.20 | stoned | clarissa, pleae check irc.debian.org #debian-boot |
| 20:40.20 | Maulkin | no probs |
| 20:40.28 | JordiGH | What's supposed to be in /dev/sdb1? |
| 20:40.51 | mentor | It's a little... conceptual for your normal spammer. |
| 20:40.57 | clarissa | JordiGH, the grub , kernel and linux on sda is the mbr only |
| 20:40.57 | nvz | mentor: the . (point) came out... about 4 times |
| 20:41.00 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:41.01 | robin_sz | probably a bot |
| 20:41.03 | Hotwire | hey, i'm planning on doing a hard disk install of debian, will it be bootable with just the 1st cd iso so i can then get the rest over the network? |
| 20:41.13 | mentor | nvz: Yeah, I know. |
| 20:41.15 | stoned | Hotwire, ye |
| 20:41.16 | stoned | yes* |
| 20:41.22 | Hotwire | stoned, thanks :) |
| 20:41.24 | mentor | nvz: I was mostly wondering if it was a real person or a bot. |
| 20:41.24 | robin_sz | Hotwire, just use the netinstall iso to be sure |
| 20:41.27 | stoned | Hotwire, maybe consider netinstall eh? |
| 20:41.42 | Hotwire | i cant due to crappy network restrictions |
| 20:41.45 | stoned | ahh |
| 20:41.47 | mentor | robin_sz: I would say it's a lot too conceptual for a bot. |
| 20:41.48 | Hotwire | i have to login 1st |
| 20:41.54 | stoned | Hotwire, yeah, 1st cd should get you debian installed |
| 20:42.05 | Hotwire | cool :) thanks for your help guys |
| 20:42.07 | JordiGH | clarissa: So you have SCSI disks? And the mbr in sda points to grub in sdb? |
| 20:42.08 | stoned | sure |
| 20:42.43 | JordiGH | With a couple of flas thrown in for good measure. |
| 20:42.45 | YogSothoth | After modifying hosts.deny/hosts.allow is there something to reload so it's taken to account? |
| 20:42.55 | jamescarr | bleh, I feel like shit |
| 20:43.04 | robin_sz | Hotwire, well, im not exactly sure how you "login" to an IP network, but if you cant do it from netstall, you wont do it from cd1 either I guess |
| 20:43.19 | nvz | mentor: well on the one hand a person you would think, would have something more important to say. either way he got straight to the point. maybe it was a test of a spam bot.. seemed to be going about every 15 seconds |
| 20:43.20 | jamescarr | meet hot girl at club, get her number. Then call her up the next day to do something and you can't hear a word she's saying |
| 20:43.43 | Mr_Sako | im trying to install debian with the net install cd, for some reason my computer wont boot on it, is the cd not meant to be booted on? |
| 20:43.50 | abrotman | hear a word or understand a word? |
| 20:43.55 | clarissa | JordiGH, ummm JordiGH yes it does point to grub grub loads fine but after loaded kernel and try to boot it goes until the alert /dev/sdb1 does not exist dropping to a shell and no i use s-ata as sda and ide usb as sdb |
| 20:43.59 | robin_sz | Mr_Sako, yes, it is meant to boot |
| 20:44.09 | JordiGH | Mr_Sako: Did you tell your BIOS to boot from cd? Can your computer boot from CD? |
| 20:44.19 | Mr_Sako | yes i checked the bios |
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| 20:44.38 | nvz | work is a better place to meet girls than the club, at least then you know they got a job |
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| 20:44.58 | Mr_Sako | i last installed centOS on it and it booted from from a cd no rpboelm |
| 20:45.09 | JordiGH | Mr_Sako: Next step is to make sure that the CD and CD drive are in good condition. If it can't be read, no boot. Do you have something else you can try booting from to check? |
| 20:45.22 | abrotman | nvz: why not meet them at the job center? |
| 20:45.25 | robin_sz | Mr_Sako, the netinstall cd should boot fine, test it in antoehr PC maybe |
| 20:45.29 | Hotwire | robin_sz, all my outgoing connections get redirected until i use a login webpage, so as long as i have access to a web browser of sorts it will be ok |
| 20:45.33 | stoned | nvz, lol |
| 20:45.40 | stoned | nvz, I like bookstores |
| 20:45.48 | stoned | nvz, mostly the smart nerdy hot chics |
| 20:46.00 | stoned | nvz, then again, I've been engaged for 19 years, about to get married |
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| 20:46.08 | robin_sz | Hotwire, how does it know its "you" .. IP address assigned by DHCP or MAC address? |
| 20:46.10 | stoned | nvz, I don't frolick around anymore |
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| 20:46.41 | JordiGH | clarissa: Do you get a kernel panic? It seems to find /dev/sdb1 at first, right? |
| 20:46.53 | Hotwire | robin_sz, IP via DHCP i think, although i'm not really sure, this is not my network i am just staying at my girlfriends uni place |
| 20:47.19 | Mr_Sako | i just changed my cd drive to boot last saved bios then set it ot boot first again saved bios again then restarted now itll boot on the cd |
| 20:47.21 | Mr_Sako | very werid |
| 20:47.30 | clarissa | JordiGH, it switched after it couldnt access tty into busy box dont know if it is kernel panic but cursor flashes and it doesn't go away |
| 20:47.52 | robin_sz | Hotwire, probably just IP, so log in with her laptop or whatever, authenticate, unplug the laptop, plug in your box use the laptop leased IP addy fro the debian box to do its thang with |
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| 20:48.27 | Hotwire | robin_sz, hehe no such luck, i only have this pc, and all her house mates have left for the summer |
| 20:48.44 | nvz | abrotman: because that just means they want a job, and probably dont have one |
| 20:49.04 | robin_sz | well, I doubt there is any sort of web browser on CD1, so you are stuffed then :) |
| 20:49.28 | nvz | stoned: yeah I havent been in the new b&n yet.. the books are too expensive :P |
| 20:49.44 | Hotwire | robin_sz, i'll just have to download more cds before i install then |
| 20:49.46 | Mr_Sako | when i install it asks for a domain name would it be bad to leave it blank? |
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| 20:49.49 | JordiGH | clarissa: Er, I suppose you don't have means to easily paste the output of what's going wrong, can you? |
| 20:49.52 | stoned | nvz, who givies a shit, browse the music and philosophy sectoin and if you are as built as I am with some piercings, chics will dig you |
| 20:49.53 | stoned | :D |
| 20:49.54 | robin_sz | Hotwire, probably safest |
| 20:50.00 | stwelin | Has anyone set up a (working) wacom tablet? I need to ask about the settings in the XF86Config-4 file. |
| 20:50.01 | nvz | stoned: last book I bought was at the B&N in Denton, TX I bought that O'reilly Understanding The Linux Kernel |
| 20:50.09 | JordiGH | Mr_Sako: Give it a name! Linux boxes have SOUL! :-) |
| 20:50.11 | clarissa | JordiGH, no i cant cause i cant go into a shell :( |
| 20:50.21 | stoned | nvz, my last purchase was a book on sale, the Guitar Scales Grimoire |
| 20:50.35 | stoned | 12$. pretty much a steal, the book goes for like 30$ usually |
| 20:50.43 | nvz | stoned: I dont do piercings or tatts and dont much dig chicks who have them either |
| 20:50.43 | Mr_Sako | ok so i can just typo poopty poopty pants and it woudlnt affect anything |
| 20:51.04 | SerajewelKS | Mr_Sako: nope, because that contains spaces |
| 20:51.05 | stoned | nvz, like I said, I'm enganged, and I'm a one woman guy |
| 20:51.08 | stoned | :) |
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| 20:51.14 | JordiGH | Mr_Sako: Well, your computer would be named poopty poopty pants... Think carefully about this. |
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| 20:51.17 | stoned | nvz, im just saying though :) |
| 20:51.27 | Mr_Sako | alright here we go: optimus prime |
| 20:51.30 | JordiGH | Mr_Sako: Name it something like... RiemannZeta |
| 20:51.33 | robin_sz | is this #alt-debian? |
| 20:51.35 | stoned | or actually 2 woman guys, my other 'woman' is debian |
| 20:51.41 | stoned | lol |
| 20:51.52 | nvz | stoned: yeah anyone who isnt is crazy.. one is a handful.. unless maybe she's a midget and cant talk |
| 20:51.58 | stoned | lol |
| 20:52.04 | purdeaandrei | this is toshset's output: |
| 20:52.05 | purdeaandrei | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.05 | purdeaandrei | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.05 | purdeaandrei | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.05 | purdeaandrei | toshset: this computer is not supported |
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| 20:52.32 | stwelin | Has anyone set up a (working) wacom tablet? I need to ask about the settings in the XF86Config-4 file. |
| 20:52.35 | JordiGH | Sorry, clarissa. I don't really understand what's wrong. |
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| 20:53.41 | JordiGH | clarissa: My next guess would be to load a rescue livecd and see if you can access /dev/sdb1 from there. |
| 20:53.49 | clarissa | JordiGH, it just gave out that error it couldn't find /dev/sdb1 and then it couldnt boot now i am in busybox only |
| 20:53.58 | stoned | !paster purdeaandrei |
| 20:53.58 | dpkg | purdeaandrei: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 20:55.45 | heh_v_water | this is completely nuts.. no errors on build or install.. I checked very log I have basically with nothing pointing to anything yet when i install the madwifi module it doesn't install... |
| 20:56.01 | heh_v_water | well it installs but it isn't there.. |
| 20:57.06 | purdeaandrei | ok: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3093 i don't understand why i tdoesn't work, it worked with a previous distribution. the toshiba module doesn't load at boot but i can load it after that with modprobe. it still doesn't work. any idea? |
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| 20:57.15 | outlaw84 | Does the nvidia graphics driver work properly for debian amd64 version as well? anyone of you running it? |
| 20:58.21 | abrotman | on pure64? |
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| 20:58.29 | outlaw84 | yea |
| 20:59.17 | philips | Has anyone else tried to build 2.6.18 w/ make-kpkg? It is complaining about UTS Release not being defined in version.h. |
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| 21:01.12 | outlaw84 | philips: why are you building a kernel that old? |
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| 21:01.13 | tonsofpcs | netsplit ftb. |
| 21:01.27 | outlaw84 | philips: oppss, my mistake :D |
| 21:01.28 | philips | outlaw84: haha 2.6.18-rc12.6.18-rc1 |
| 21:01.28 | Gnea | 2.6.18 isn't very old |
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| 21:02.03 | philips | it is still in release canidate. But in any case I have no idea _what_ UTS_RELEASE is or how to fix it... |
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| 21:02.15 | Hotwire | robin_sz, pool/main/e/epiphany-browser/epiphany-browser_1.4.8-3_i386.deb is on CD 1 so i should be ok, but thanks for the heads up anyway :) |
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| 21:02.35 | Gnea | philips: try the LKML, someone probably posted some sort of detail or summary |
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| 21:03.03 | purdeaandrei | this is verbose output : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3094 |
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| 21:04.17 | liran_ | is the 'ftp' command available on a package called 'ftp' or otherwise? |
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| 21:05.08 | tonsofpcs | should be ftp |
| 21:05.42 | liran_ | i know this i unrelated but im on knoppmyth which is based on debian still but apt can't find that package (im after an update) |
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| 21:06.08 | robin_sz | interesting .. someone has got Adeos/Xenomai running on the blackfin embedded board |
| 21:06.17 | robin_sz | oops, ww |
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| 21:07.34 | philips | Gnea: yep, looks like it was moved from version.h to utsrelease.h |
| 21:07.47 | philips | Gnea: great.... time to write a page for make-kpkg... |
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| 21:14.09 | clarissa | whats a a good editor inside shell for files like xorg.conf ? |
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| 21:14.19 | abrotman | vi |
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| 21:14.27 | clarissa | abrotman, thank you |
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| 21:15.19 | clarissa | abrotman, and what i have to press to edit and later to save and leave? |
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| 21:15.29 | disorder | clarissa: try nano |
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| 21:16.05 | itari | does Debian come with an option to make a bootdisk? |
| 21:16.07 | clarissa | disorder, aah good now i see commands :) |
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| 21:16.36 | itari | i'm trying to make a bootdisk with linux but my other computer (linux) won't boot with it. |
| 21:16.43 | itari | i'm using FC5 right now. |
| 21:17.19 | itari | the boot disk just makes the computer hang instead of going to the setup screen. |
| 21:17.21 | Gnea | !bootdisk |
| 21:17.21 | dpkg | bootdisk is, like, at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-<platform>, where platform is i386, powerpc, sparc, m68k, arm, or alpha, or at any mirror site |
| 21:17.22 | itari | can't figure out why |
| 21:17.41 | clarissa | good now it starts gnome cause i removed driver "ati" and put in "vesa" :) |
| 21:17.41 | Gnea | itari: try that |
| 21:18.11 | itari | k, thanks |
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| 21:18.47 | nima | hello |
| 21:19.15 | itari | do i need the boot img or the root img? i'm thinking boot. |
| 21:19.16 | itari | right? |
| 21:19.27 | itari | oh, wait .. i se |
| 21:19.29 | clarissa | does a tutor exist for internet through dhcp with router ? cause i havent internet |
| 21:19.29 | itari | see |
| 21:19.31 | itari | thanks gnea |
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| 21:20.03 | disorder | clarissa: man interfaces |
| 21:20.47 | itari | does debian use resize2fs like Fedora? and which OS do you think is better .... debian or FC? |
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| 21:21.24 | thingfish | itari: what do you think, that all us Debian users are closet Fedora fans? |
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| 21:21.55 | itari | well ... maybe you have a different opinion. i like fedora ... but i'm sure Debian kicks butt too |
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| 21:22.10 | ktwilight | haha |
| 21:22.17 | thingfish | fedora does its thing...we do ours. |
| 21:22.18 | ktwilight | just a matter of preference i find |
| 21:22.22 | ktwilight | just try and you'll see? |
| 21:22.27 | itari | any of you IT professionals? i'm thinking of doing information technology systems and networking. don't know if i could do programming. |
| 21:22.33 | itari | ktwilight; okay |
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| 21:23.03 | maikol | anyone know why wine restarts X? or why winecfg is just a blacck window that when clicked on makes the entire screen black |
| 21:23.45 | dayi | itari:fedora is easy to install but hard to use , debian is easy to use a bit ugly about installation , so debian:) |
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| 21:24.05 | itari | k .. |
| 21:24.16 | itari | going to check out that debaian thing |
| 21:24.19 | itari | Debian .. sorry. |
| 21:25.19 | nvz | I am getting the message that my packages are not verified when installing via apt-get from mirrors.kernel.org on etch I need help solving this problem, I did what it said in the "2006 key" factiod but I am still having the issue |
| 21:27.52 | nvz | ah, nm I figured it out.. I had to reload my package cache I guess |
| 21:29.50 | nvz | I have another question though. what are my options in etch for hiding the boot messages? I am looking into the kernel-patch-bootsplash but its description says "The patch should work for kernels 2.4.18, 2.4.20 - 2.4.25, 2.6.0-test9 - 2.6.0-test11, and 2.6.0 - 2.6.4." and I am using the 2.6.15 that came with etch |
| 21:31.12 | nvz | even if it just truncated or cleaned them up a little that would be nice way too many messages about already loaded modules and other crap I really rather not have to explain to first time users |
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| 21:33.23 | nvz | looks like I will have to compile my own kernel for that thing to work.. I guess I really dont have a choice |
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| 21:37.54 | ktwilight | nvz, why ya downgrading? |
| 21:38.11 | nvz | downgrading? who said anything about downgrading? |
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| 21:38.37 | ktwilight | you said you're using 2.6.15, and it works with 2.6.4? |
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| 21:38.55 | ktwilight | "I have another question though. what are my options in etch for hiding the boot messages? I am looking into the kernel-patch-bootsplash but its description says "The patch should work for kernels 2.4.18, 2.4.20 - 2.4.25, 2.6.0-test9 - 2.6.0-test11, and 2.6.0 - 2.6.4." and I am using the 2.6.15 that came with etch" |
| 21:39.33 | nvz | I didnt say anything there about downgrading |
| 21:39.41 | ktwilight | fine |
| 21:39.43 | nvz | thats a quote directly from the package description |
| 21:39.53 | ktwilight | true |
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| 21:40.12 | Hotwire | doesn't "2.6.0 - 2.6.4" include all kernels between |
| 21:40.16 | Administrator | hi |
| 21:40.35 | nvz | afaik 2.6.4 doesnt even exist |
| 21:40.41 | Administrator | My monitor has different color settings such as sRGB etc.. what are these for and how to adjust them properly? |
| 21:40.49 | nvz | er.. I mean 2.6.15 is newer |
| 21:40.49 | easytiger | can debian be installed remotely from another machine? |
| 21:41.23 | nvz | what I am getting at is that damn patch comes with testing and doesnt support any of testings kernels :p |
| 21:41.40 | nvz | but screw it I dont feel like compiling a kernel anyhow |
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| 21:44.39 | nvz | easytiger: what is the other machine running? |
| 21:44.51 | easytiger | suse 10 |
| 21:45.05 | nvz | you could possible ssh in and debtakeover :P |
| 21:45.12 | nvz | !debtakeover |
| 21:45.13 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 21:45.24 | azeem | debtakeover is for woody |
| 21:45.30 | azeem | AFAIK it has not been ported to sarge |
| 21:45.32 | nvz | *shrug* |
| 21:45.53 | jelly-home | easytiger: can you boot the machine from network? |
| 21:45.57 | azeem | well, be careful to suggest it |
| 21:46.20 | easytiger | jelly-home: possibly yea |
| 21:46.26 | easytiger | i've never done it before |
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| 21:48.49 | codynotes_ | Hi guys. I know it might be a bad idea installing testing packages on a stable system, but what about installing stable packages on testing? Will that cause potential problems? |
| 21:48.55 | jelly-home | easytiger: that would be one way to do it, but I suppose you can easily lock yourself out if you're not familiar with the procedure. |
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| 21:49.29 | easytiger | its just monitors in a fragile condition and i don't fancy moving it about |
| 21:50.04 | jelly-home | easytiger: what about setting up the serial console? |
| 21:50.33 | easytiger | jelly-home: ha. i dont have the gear. not done that for a while since i used solaris |
| 21:50.39 | easytiger | was handy, when it worked |
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| 21:53.51 | easytiger | ye olde `tip` commande would be handy |
| 21:54.07 | jelly-home | easytiger: hm. no more ideas. Is it a brand-name server with remote console over web? ;-) |
| 21:54.21 | easytiger | jelly-home: lol. alas no |
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| 21:54.31 | easytiger | http://blog.nanorails.com/articles/2006/07/01/remote-ubuntu-dapper-drake-install |
| 21:54.36 | easytiger | that guy did something wierd |
| 21:55.01 | easytiger | http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 21:56.27 | nvz | is there a command that removes the downloaded deb files (to save space) and is there any reason why I wouldnt want to do that? |
| 21:56.38 | jelly-home | easytiger: ahh, the old install-temp-copy-of-OS-to-the-swap-partition trick ;-) |
| 21:56.52 | easytiger | sounds precarious |
| 21:57.05 | easytiger | but potentially fun....... |
| 21:57.06 | easytiger | hmmm |
| 21:58.34 | jelly-home | easytiger: is a linux already running? |
| 21:58.43 | easytiger | yea it is |
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| 22:00.05 | asg | nvz: apt-get clean |
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| 22:00.55 | jelly-home | easytiger: you could do that then, if you have a spare partition. Eg. a swap part. with enough space to install a base system. |
| 22:01.15 | easytiger | ha. yea.. i dunno.. sounsd like a lot of work :p |
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| 22:02.29 | jelly-home | easytiger: of course. |
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| 22:03.42 | m0gsi | Hey some guy from a ubuntu chat room said you guys where hostile |
| 22:03.45 | m0gsi | is this true |
| 22:03.55 | azeem | no |
| 22:04.10 | jelly-home | easytiger: if you want fun and untested, you can do a debootstrap & chroot to /dev/shm (ram disk, essentially), then reformat the disk and do another debootstrap to the disk. ;-) |
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| 22:04.11 | azeem | anyway, this is a Debian support channel, and we prefer Debian questions |
| 22:04.11 | m0gsi | Ahhh i was wondering just i would like to try debian and this put me off |
| 22:04.31 | m0gsi | azeem it is a debian question |
| 22:04.39 | azeem | which one? |
| 22:05.38 | m0gsi | "is this true?" so what is debian like then? is it similar to ubuntu? |
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| 22:08.46 | streuner | argh |
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| 22:08.56 | m0gsi | streuner? |
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| 22:09.18 | m0gsi | So does debian have apt? |
| 22:09.28 | asg | m0gsi: of course |
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| 22:09.46 | asg | m0gsi: we aren't hostile, but we are not particularly tolerant of stupidity |
| 22:09.47 | m0gsi | ahhh , so what packages does it use |
| 22:09.54 | LinuxNIT-I | how do i fix this? subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 22:09.59 | tuxedup | .deb |
| 22:10.08 | asg | LinuxNIT-I: hacke the postrm script so it doesn't return that error. |
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| 22:10.14 | m0gsi | Ahhh so it uses the same ones as ubuntu |
| 22:10.15 | asg | LinuxNIT-I: or use stable |
| 22:10.20 | LinuxNIT-I | hehe |
| 22:10.20 | asg | m0gsi: of course |
| 22:10.26 | m0gsi | Good good |
| 22:10.30 | LinuxNIT-I | thanks |
| 22:10.53 | asg | m0gsi: or rather, ubuntu uses the same format as Debian. |
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| 22:11.10 | diepes | i need to reset the default login password for jffnms |
| 22:11.15 | streuner | m0gsi: same package system |
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| 22:11.43 | diepes | any ideas where i will find it ? |
| 22:11.45 | nvz | ah! winesetuptk isnt in etch, I shudder to think of having to actually write my own wine config :P |
| 22:11.49 | m0gsi | ahh good i like the way things are done on ubuntu , i might try debian i am a linux newbie |
| 22:11.58 | nvz | !find winesetup$ etch |
| 22:11.59 | kimo_sabe | m0gsi: as Ubuntu is sort of a bastard step child of Debian, yes |
| 22:12.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'winesetup' returned no results. |
| 22:12.20 | m0gsi | Bastard step child? , |
| 22:12.37 | jelly-home | nvz: does winecfg help? |
| 22:12.40 | Ronin | m0gsi: more like a fork of debian :) |
| 22:13.00 | tuxedup | they took the debian base and screwed it up and made a cra*py version of the debian guidelines |
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| 22:13.13 | darkstego | long live debian |
| 22:13.16 | m0gsi | tuxedup , errr but this is really quite good |
| 22:13.19 | Ronin | tuxedup: well i wouldnt go that far but seeing as were in #debian :) |
| 22:13.36 | nvz | jelly-home: I dunno I always used the point-and-clicky winesetuptk I'll check that out |
| 22:13.56 | m0gsi | So as a fork i guess the installer is the same format , like a live cd with a graphical installer? |
| 22:14.13 | tuxedup | mOgsi: no it uses the text installer |
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| 22:14.36 | m0gsi | Text installer , oh that sucks |
| 22:15.01 | Ronin | m0gsi: not as bad as you'd think, not as pretty as a gui mind you but pretty easy to follow |
| 22:15.12 | abrotman | adamant1988: hanging on to your youth? |
| 22:15.14 | tuxedup | mOgsi: no its extremely easy, its eadier to understand then the suse and mandriva guii installers |
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| 22:15.30 | m0gsi | Ahh ok , well i'll give it ago thanks |
| 22:15.40 | adamant1988 | abrotman, sure, actually the 1988 is only on there because adamant was taken =\ |
| 22:15.49 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:15.52 | tuxedup | tmOgsi: there are a fe videos knocking around that show the install process |
| 22:15.53 | azeem | m0gsi: Ubuntu had a text installer until last month |
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| 22:16.44 | m0gsi | really azeem? , couldn't debian steal the installer from ubuntu? |
| 22:16.58 | azeem | m0gsi: hrm? |
| 22:17.00 | azeem | which one? |
| 22:17.01 | tuxedup | mOgsi: debian are devloping a gui installer |
| 22:17.05 | m0gsi | The graphical one |
| 22:17.07 | adamant1988 | m0gsi, isn't that a little bit backwards lol |
| 22:17.12 | Guerin | m0gsi: why would debian steal their own installer back? |
| 22:17.24 | azeem | m0gsi: Ubuntu's graphical installer is a Live-CD to hardware install hack |
| 22:17.47 | m0gsi | azeem , well i dunno it was good for me |
| 22:17.52 | raptros-v76 | the live cd scared me |
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| 22:17.58 | abrotman | #ubuntu ? |
| 22:18.08 | asg | troll? |
| 22:18.13 | azeem | hrm? |
| 22:18.20 | azeem | it's a valid question, AFAICT |
| 22:18.39 | azeem | m0gsi: Ubuntu knew that Debian was developping a graphical installer by the time they stared their effort |
| 22:18.51 | azeem | they decided to rather develop their own one, depending on their needs |
| 22:18.53 | m0gsi | azeem , well yes is it ready yet? |
| 22:19.17 | jkp | anyone using nxserver on debian? |
| 22:19.28 | azeem | m0gsi: it's in beta testing |
| 22:19.33 | jelly-home | m0gsi: ubuntu strives to be more friendly and more commercialy viable. It's deadline policy in particular seems to force them to make some compromises that reduce the overall quality of the packages in a release. There might be some breakages that could never be found in a Debian release. OTOH, Debian is not as user-friendly for a novice user. |
| 22:19.56 | jelly-home | s/It's/Its/ -_- |
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| 22:20.00 | tuxedup | mOgsi: here is somescreen shots of the debian install if you want to see http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=658&slide=1&title=debian+installer+etch+beta+2+screenshots |
| 22:20.00 | m0gsi | ahhh ok jelly-hom |
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| 22:20.11 | keram | hello |
| 22:20.17 | keram | how come i cant install xfce-datetime-plugin |
| 22:20.32 | keram | *xfce4-datetime-plugin |
| 22:20.42 | asg | jelly-home: commercially viable? Without libpam-krb5 in universe, it isn't even viable. |
| 22:20.51 | Guerin | keram: the error messages know |
| 22:20.56 | asg | s/Without/With/ |
| 22:21.00 | keram | when i do aptitude install xfce4-datetime-plugin it says there are unmet dependencies and when i try to install the dependencies it says nothing to do |
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| 22:22.05 | SerajewelKS | the hell, no dvorak keyboards on newegg? |
| 22:22.16 | jelly-home | asg: that's my understanding, anyway. They are making efforts to create a 5-year supported release for servers. |
| 22:22.33 | pmj | asg: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/net/libpam-krb5 |
| 22:22.47 | pmj | in Universe |
| 22:23.00 | Coweater | SerajewelKS: nobody but special shops sell dvorak keyboards, besides a good keymap is all you need |
| 22:23.00 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if i should just white-out this keyboard and get out a smear-proof marker |
| 22:23.03 | jelly-home | asg: flirting with Sun and T1 support too. debian-sparc, OTOH, is lingering as usual. |
| 22:23.17 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: i also like to be able to see the letters i'm typing, to learn |
| 22:23.18 | asg | pmj: I meant in the base install. Universe isn't supported |
| 22:23.26 | Coweater | get a model m, move the keycaps around |
| 22:23.40 | LinuxNIT | asg, i had the post-remov script problem... can i find the script on the pc some where or do i have to have the .deb? |
| 22:23.49 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: model m? |
| 22:23.52 | asg | jelly-home: 5 year support is too ambitious and what they are supporting is worthless at best |
| 22:24.01 | asg | LinuxNIT: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 22:24.03 | Coweater | SerajewelKS: the best clickety old ibm keyboard ever |
| 22:24.11 | LinuxNIT | asg thanks |
| 22:24.11 | pmj | you guys are funny :) |
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| 22:24.31 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: i think i had one of those. with a PS/2 IBM PC. |
| 22:24.37 | kimo_sabe | doubles has a weapon to beat people with |
| 22:24.39 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: i remember being able to detach the caps |
| 22:24.58 | asg | pmj: in what way are we funny? |
| 22:25.03 | keram | http://rafb.net/paste/results/N8Xf8y99.html |
| 22:25.04 | asg | pmj: besides the obvious |
| 22:25.07 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: i thought about trying to reconfigure this one, but (a) the keys are slanted, and (b) it doesn't look like i can detach them unless i want to do it permanently. |
| 22:25.10 | keram | theres the output of the install attempt |
| 22:25.17 | Coweater | sometimes you can rearrange regular boards, but sometimes they have different key heights or perhaps different shapes for the keys with nubs |
| 22:25.30 | pmj | oh, you seem very hostile towards Ubuntu for some reason |
| 22:25.32 | keram | its strange because i have the newer versions of the two dependencies already installed |
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| 22:25.42 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: this one has diferent angles for the different rows. and i don't think they come off. |
| 22:25.46 | pmj | I use both Debian and Ubuntu by the way, a disclaimer I fear is needed right now |
| 22:26.24 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: a "dell quietkey" FWIW |
| 22:26.28 | azeem | pmj: well, this is a Debian support channel, so discussing Ubuntu is somewhat off-topic |
| 22:26.43 | jelly-home | asg: My employer would seriously consider them if they delivered those features. As it stands now, we're moving to RHEL from Debian on servers because there's no support for our hardware and commerical apps right now. |
| 22:26.46 | azeem | and it is pretty well-known that some Debian people have strong feelings about Ubuntu |
| 22:26.48 | Coweater | SerajewelKS: paint's an option i guess, i did that on a laptop of mine, testor's model paint seems to work pretty well |
| 22:26.57 | asg | pmj: 1) we don't supprot ubuntu but a lot of people seem to think that we *have* to. 2) it's worthless to anyone but the clueless and the inept. 3) we don't support it in #debian |
| 22:27.04 | asg | *support |
| 22:27.19 | SerajewelKS | also see !ubuntu |
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| 22:28.48 | Johnny_5 | how do i mount a 2nd external hdd?? |
| 22:28.50 | SerajewelKS | Coweater: bleh |
| 22:29.00 | SerajewelKS | Johnny_5: man mount |
| 22:29.07 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 22:29.40 | asg | Johnny_5: use dmesg(1) to help you figure out which /dev/foo the new drive is linked to. |
| 22:29.40 | pmj | well, I'm not going to argue with you. You can be as randomly hostile as you wish, with the excuse that you don't have to give support that nobody asked for in the first place. Bye bye |
| 22:29.45 | tuxedup | On Novell Suse Enterprise Desktop, Novell are touting the new application launcher thing (the slab), I know its in the cvs for gnome or something. Has anyone packaged it for debian yet? |
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| 22:29.58 | asg | Johnny_5: sorry, dmesg(8) |
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| 22:31.08 | asg | tuxedup: apt-cache search slab novell (if that doesn't bring anything up, look on bugs.debian.org for an ITP for it) |
| 22:31.32 | asg | pmj: we aren't randomly hostile, we are quite specifically hostile. |
| 22:31.40 | jamescarr | man! |
| 22:31.46 | jamescarr | My system looks so sexy |
| 22:31.53 | jamescarr | it makes my dick hard |
| 22:32.01 | pmj | the hostility was random, the target was not |
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| 22:32.10 | pmj | see, it can be both |
| 22:32.43 | pmj | anyhow, to save you from having to I'll leave you be ;) |
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| 22:34.20 | jamescarr | on a completely unrelated, random note ... Playmakers has to be one of the best damn dramas I have ever seen |
| 22:34.46 | jamescarr | heh |
| 22:35.09 | jamescarr | ... |
| 22:35.11 | asg | "My dick is in the punch" -- Hollywood Nights |
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| 22:35.44 | sigma957 | jamescarr: I agree. I can't believe it got canceled after one season |
| 22:35.58 | caue | i'll downloaded jre, unzip this and now i put the dir jre1.. where? |
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| 22:36.06 | caue | to java stay in path |
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| 22:36.24 | asg | caue: use java-package instead |
| 22:36.29 | jamescarr | sigma957, yeah ... I rented the whole season out and was suprised it didn't have more seasons, then read up about the NFL making espn cancel it |
| 22:36.59 | jamescarr | I mean, a show is good if you rent out the first disc, watch it, then immediately go rent the remaining discs :) |
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| 22:37.42 | SerajewelKS | dang, dvorak is tough to learn |
| 22:37.46 | sigma957 | jamescarr: yep. I rented all of them from blockbuster. oh well, the good stuff so often disappears |
| 22:38.04 | SerajewelKS | specially when the keyboard is printed qwerty |
| 22:38.14 | caue | asg: only this? |
| 22:38.20 | sbk | Folks -- having trouble usting a flash card to launch the debian installer. I've copied over a netinst iso image to the device, but the installer complains about not being able to see any iso images |
| 22:38.56 | asg | caue: it will take the .bin file you downloaded from Sun and make a nice .deb out of it (/msg dpkg java-package (for more information)) |
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| 22:41.50 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: why not just use qwerty? |
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| 22:42.02 | jae | gah |
| 22:42.12 | Guerin | jelly-home: why not just use windows? |
| 22:43.04 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: because it's what i've been using, and i'm starting to feel limited by it. (i'm not a touch typist, i've kind of got my own method) |
| 22:43.20 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: plus i code most of the day, so i'd like a layout that will save my wrists |
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| 22:43.59 | Edrin | hi |
| 22:44.09 | SerajewelKS | only problem is that {} are a PITA to use on dvorak... up in the corner |
| 22:44.49 | jelly-home | There are questions whether the dvorak keyboard is really a superior arrangement. I don't have the references though. |
| 22:45.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i'm not convinced by such myths |
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| 22:45.33 | Edrin | i have to decide if I want to buy a dothan centrino notebook or a core duo notebook. i want a good battery lifetime (>4 houres) what is recommended? how much is a core duo faster then core solo/centrino dothan? |
| 22:46.03 | Guerin | Edrin: don't ask us, ask IT professionals |
| 22:46.11 | Guerin | Edrin: or #hardware or something |
| 22:46.20 | tictac | Edrin: get the duo core because its cooler. |
| 22:47.03 | kimo_sabe | I'm on a CoreDuo 2.0G and it's not cool running. It's not burning the flesh off my lap, but it's warm |
| 22:47.39 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: no offense but people who tell me that always don't have the references or such.. or heard it somewhere.. or something |
| 22:48.18 | stoned | pita? |
| 22:48.22 | stoned | who said pita aint good |
| 22:48.30 | stoned | ever had labanese food :D |
| 22:48.31 | abrotman | i wouldn't mind a pita right now |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | lebanese |
| 22:48.35 | stoned | me neither |
| 22:48.36 | stoned | lol |
| 22:48.48 | stoned | yeh yeh I can't spell, Im very uneducated |
| 22:48.54 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: Well, it would be kind of dumb to point you to wikipedia, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard#Controversy ... this is not the page I read a while ago, but something similar. |
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| 22:49.11 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: yeah wikipedia is the first place i researched this |
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| 22:50.16 | kimo_sabe | oh, and no 4H battery life. 2:30, 3 if I push it |
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| 22:50.59 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: these sources are saying such things as "there are holes in the research done on dvorak". that seems to be repeated several times through this source. |
| 22:51.14 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: not "dvorak is worse," but "dvorak isn't proven to be better" |
| 22:52.08 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: honestly i don't care much about the research, however piecemeal it might be. just takes a few minutes looking at the layout to realize why people can type faster with it. |
| 22:52.14 | kimo_sabe | dvorak is a great secondary security device. It'll make sure anyone trying to use your system besides you will be so annoyed and frustrated that they'll give up in a matter of minutes |
| 22:52.16 | stwelin | I have a Canon camera that connects to my system via USB. and i was wondering what the best method of getting the files off of it with linux is. |
| 22:52.28 | SerajewelKS | kimo_sabe: haha, there's that too |
| 22:52.32 | raf256 | [00:52] <####> debian's irc channel is reason enough not to use that distribution |
| 22:52.32 | raf256 | heh |
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| 22:52.45 | abrotman | raf256: go tell ars |
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| 22:54.05 | Vasistha | stwelin: have you tried mounting it? |
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| 22:54.50 | sigma957 | stwelin: I use digikam, from kde |
| 22:55.04 | Mech422 | hey guys - what is the 'best' (most similiar) liveCD for people that use debian as their main os ? Is knoppix still the way to go? I just need something with a 'debian feel' and decent hardware detection... |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 22:55.12 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/, or http://live.debian.net/, or #debian-live on oftc |
| 22:55.18 | stwelin | Vasistha: i've only tried a package from the .org site that 'downloads files from digital still cameras' |
| 22:55.24 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: plus this source implies that qwerty is superior because it has survived other layouts being introduced, completely ignoring the point that when people are used to one layout they're not going to switch easily. |
| 22:55.25 | stwelin | using GNUstep |
| 22:55.47 | stwelin | Vasistha: but it claims it cannot find my camera |
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| 22:56.00 | JaMaLz | whats the current stable debian |
| 22:56.06 | Vasistha | JaMaLz: sarge |
| 22:56.15 | stwelin | Vasistha: do you have to mount your camera before using that app? |
| 22:56.28 | stwelin | (you personally) |
| 22:56.37 | JaMaLz | Vasistha i wanna download the latest where from |
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| 22:56.59 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: yes, some things in the article are suspicious. |
| 22:56.59 | Mech422 | abrotman: have you tried the debian live CD ? |
| 22:57.03 | Vasistha | stwelin: heh, I don't have a camera ;-) but I know that you can sometimes mount it as a fat volume, much as you would a usb flash drive |
| 22:57.05 | abrotman | !d-i JaMaLz |
| 22:57.06 | dpkg | JaMaLz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | Mech422: nope |
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| 22:57.31 | Vasistha | JaMaLz: enjoy! |
| 22:57.38 | Mech422 | abrotman: hmm - seems like it would be a logical place to start - Thanks |
| 22:57.47 | abrotman | have fun |
| 22:57.56 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: to be honest it reads like FUD |
| 22:58.58 | stwelin | Vasistha: i mounted a USB drive once, on Crux distro, i guess i could give that method a shot, i am using Gnome, so i don't know how much of a hassle it would be to use DigiKam if i had to switch out to KDE each time i want to get my pictures. |
| 22:58.58 | Vasistha | abrotman: is debian making a liveCD now? Did I miss something? |
| 22:58.58 | abrotman | apparnetrly |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | apparently |
| 22:58.59 | Vasistha | stwelin: heh, you can use kde apps like digikam from within gnome |
| 22:59.06 | Vasistha | stwelin: can you bring up a terminal? |
| 22:59.19 | stwelin | Vasistha: yes. |
| 22:59.28 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: maybe, but the study claims appear valid to me. I haven't read the rebuttal article though. |
| 22:59.55 | Vasistha | stwelin: give this a try, it works more often than not: (as root) mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera |
| 23:00.06 | Vasistha | stwelin: you'll probably have to mkdir /mnt/camera |
| 23:00.20 | JaMaLz | can sarge be installed over laptop |
| 23:00.22 | JaMaLz | or p4 |
| 23:00.26 | Vasistha | JaMaLz: absolutely! |
| 23:00.41 | JaMaLz | Vasistha its not stable |
| 23:00.46 | JaMaLz | over p3 its stable |
| 23:00.48 | Vasistha | JaMaLz: what do you mean by that? |
| 23:01.02 | JaMaLz | Vasistha i installed it over p3 and p4 |
| 23:01.10 | JaMaLz | p3 is so stable no problems while installing |
| 23:01.20 | JaMaLz | and when i put it into the laptop it gaves me errors |
| 23:01.27 | Vasistha | JaMaLz: you're thinking that the pentium processor type would cause install trouble? |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:01.32 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 23:01.33 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: anyway, you have nothing to lose but your time in trying it, hope it works out for you. If you're done at least some research. |
| 23:01.45 | jelly-home | erm |
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| 23:04.44 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: yeah honestly the one reason i want to try it is because it just /looks logical/, which is more than can be said for qwerty. all the pro/con research doesn't really matter so much as that. |
| 23:05.58 | stwelin | Vasistha: i just get 'cannot find /dev/.../camera in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab' returned |
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| 23:06.07 | stwelin | okay, i have to go for a second. |
| 23:07.01 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: my brother is learning dvorak. He's got this little icon in the kde panel he clicks to switch between qwerty and dvorak. I think he's up to about 30wpm now |
| 23:07.17 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: yes, i'm using KDE too. |
| 23:07.27 | abrotman | you're all freaks! |
| 23:07.34 | Vasistha | abrotman: thank you! |
| 23:07.42 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: problem is i don't have a dvorak-layout keyboard so i have to have a reference open on-screen. i'm going to try some masking tape and permanent marker though. |
| 23:08.05 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: hmm, my brother didn't feel the need. He just used the on-screen trainer until he had the layout memorized |
| 23:08.23 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: the on-screen trainer i'm using is a text-mode one, so the keyboard is hella difficult to read |
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| 23:09.02 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: ooh, yow, that doesn't sound too easy. I wonder if I can figure out which package he's got ... it's not the best but the on-screen keyboard is really nice. Unfortunately he's not around atm :P |
| 23:09.16 | SerajewelKS | !info dvorak7min |
| 23:09.18 | dpkg | dvorak7min: (Typing tutor for dvorak keyboards), section games, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 23:09.21 | SerajewelKS | that's what i'm using |
| 23:09.29 | SerajewelKS | haha, games... funny |
| 23:09.49 | Vasistha | categorizing *everything* is quite a task... |
| 23:09.53 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if ktouch supports dvorak |
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| 23:10.30 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: it does. |
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| 23:10.36 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: nice |
| 23:10.52 | SerajewelKS | i'm still wondering how dvorak is going to work with c# though, what with []{} up in the corner |
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| 23:11.16 | Vasistha | those characters already are in a corner... :P |
| 23:12.01 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: no, they're on the top row, not the number row |
| 23:12.30 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: i wonder if i can muck with the keyboard layout to switch their shift state though, since i type {} more often |
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| 23:12.41 | jelly-home | my local language layout has {} on AltGr+B or N, so a plain (albeit distant) key looks better than AltGr ugliness. |
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| 23:13.12 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: well, it's definitely possible to muck with the kayboard layout, you might even be able to just tweak the dvorak layout slightly |
| 23:13.46 | Vasistha | "AltGr" ? |
| 23:14.28 | jelly-home | Vasistha: right alt key is labeled AltGr and has different meaning. |
| 23:15.50 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I believe this was taken from German DOS/Windows layout. It adds a third character to some keys. |
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| 23:16.44 | Vasistha | jelly-home: hrm. I guess it's a reasonable way to do it. Wonder if I'll ever have to use a non-english system |
| 23:16.56 | sgeigerbot | Does someone know of some sort of proxy package in Debian that will keep your tcp connecctions alive even if your connection goes down for a while? I saw some such package a while ago, but I can't recall what it's called. |
| 23:17.29 | asg | sgeigerbot: rocks |
| 23:18.08 | sgeigerbot | asg: you are awesome. |
| 23:18.19 | sgeigerbot | asg: Damn, that took me hours to think of! |
| 23:18.26 | asg | sgeigerbot: have a chocolate hotdog egg :) |
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| 23:19.04 | sgeigerbot | asg: so, have you used rocks? |
| 23:19.05 | abrotman | eggs? |
| 23:19.19 | asg | sgeigerbot: I haven't but have contemplated looking at it once or twice |
| 23:19.22 | asg | abrotman: old story |
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| 23:19.56 | sgeigerbot | asg: It must be a proxy daemon, as I understnad. |
| 23:20.12 | asg | sgeigerbot: that's what it looks like |
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| 23:20.24 | Cald | hello |
| 23:20.31 | heh_v_water | so after about a week of fiddling with this I finally got a nice build using etch 487 MB it is a full on router with desktop, gps capabilities, wireless scanning, a basic webmin, bitchx, rox file manager, ethereal, all scanning utilities I use and a large selection of wireless drivers pre-installed. It also uses Xvesa and has fluxbox desktop :) |
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| 23:20.59 | Cald | i'm looking for a powerful tool like filemon, but for linux, does someone know if that exist? |
| 23:21.21 | Vasistha | heh_v_water: are you making a custom livecd or something? |
| 23:21.33 | Cald | (filemon for linux has been stopped since kernel 2.6 can't support file monitoring) |
| 23:21.49 | kimo_sabe | Cald: what? |
| 23:21.49 | heh_v_water | Vasistha, well kinda.. this is to be cloned on a USB stick as well as used as a live cd |
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| 23:22.14 | Cald | filemon is a file access monitor, is there some equivalent ? |
| 23:22.22 | abrotman | !fam |
| 23:22.22 | dpkg | somebody said fam was a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 23:22.29 | asg | !prize abrotman |
| 23:22.48 | sgeigerbot | asg: I've been using something called autossh, but rocks would seem to be a much more useful tool, as it works with more than just ssh. |
| 23:23.05 | asg | sgeigerbot: let me know how it turns out |
| 23:23.19 | stwelin | Vasistha: i just get 'cannot find /dev/.../camera in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab' returned when i try 'mount /dav/sda1/mnt/camera' |
| 23:23.41 | Vasistha | stwelin: uhm, you need a space there between sda1 and /mnt |
| 23:24.33 | stwelin | special device /dev/sda1 does not exist. |
| 23:24.34 | stwelin | hmm |
| 23:24.55 | Vasistha | stwelin: alright, so we have the "not trivially easy" case |
| 23:25.00 | SerajewelKS | man |
| 23:25.06 | SerajewelKS | this isn't easy |
| 23:25.26 | Vasistha | stwelin: perhaps you should pastebin lsusb |
| 23:25.26 | stwelin | Vasistha: these sort of issues seem to have an attraction to me. |
| 23:25.32 | stwelin | haha. |
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| 23:25.50 | Romano2K | hi everyone! i've edited /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh so that EDITMOTD=NO, and my motd is still updated with uname when booting |
| 23:25.54 | Vasistha | stwelin: oh, not to worry... you're on a learning curve, here... it took me a long, long time to get comfortable in debian |
| 23:25.58 | Romano2K | where should i solve the problem? |
| 23:26.36 | stwelin | Vasistha: hopefully i will get used to it, i still have to get a lot of things working |
| 23:26.38 | Vasistha | stwelin: and, honestly, I'm still in no position to really be helping you... I'm just following the steps here, and hopefully someone with some real knowledge will jump in |
| 23:26.43 | asg | Romano2K: try /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:26.56 | Vasistha | stwelin: but try lsusb and see what it gives you |
| 23:27.12 | Romano2K | asg: oh you're look right! thank you |
| 23:27.26 | asg | Romano2K: you're welcome |
| 23:27.54 | stwelin | Vasistha: I just recently started working on debian too, i had trouble getting my devices working in a few other distros, i'm trying them each one by one. i have a lot of weird devices that are not very linux-friendly, apparently |
| 23:28.08 | stwelin | Vasistha: it's been hell trying to get my Wacom tablet to work. |
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| 23:28.13 | Nippoo | http://www.bash.org/?36167 |
| 23:28.15 | Nippoo | ;) |
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| 23:28.40 | Vasistha | stwelin: yow, that's not going to make it easy to switch to linux. Device drivers are probably the single most difficult hurdle to linux comfort |
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| 23:28.51 | Vasistha | stwelin: but let's see what we can do!! |
| 23:29.01 | asg | Nippoo: gtk or kde? |
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| 23:29.25 | Romano2K | asg: i don't understand the aim of bootmisc.sh but... |
| 23:29.31 | stwelin | Vasistha: Yeah, i've come to realize that too. I still need to get my Radeon configured, i have a bunch of overhead from my window manager not being handled correctly |
| 23:29.49 | crogue5 | anyone else using a HP Deskjet 3740 ? |
| 23:29.53 | Nippoo | asg: kde. a *lot* more attractive. |
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| 23:30.01 | Vasistha | stwelin: anyway, one thing at a time :P what does lsusb say? |
| 23:30.07 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 23:30.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:30.10 | sin | what package is 'dig' in? |
| 23:30.15 | asg | Romano2K: it's a generic file that's changed over time |
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| 23:30.31 | keith80403 | crogue5, No, but I'm trying to get an OfficeJet 6110xi working with Sarge. |
| 23:30.33 | asg | Nippoo: I prefer brunettes myself |
| 23:30.40 | Romano2K | asg: u mean i can remove bootmisc.sh ? |
| 23:30.49 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 23:30.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:30.49 | asg | Romano2K: no, don't remove it |
| 23:30.56 | clarissa | hmm kaffeine couldn't find dvb-t hardware i think its the bt878 chip for tv card :) how to fix that? ^^ |
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| 23:31.18 | Romano2K | asg: maybe i could "update-rc -f bootmisc.sh remove" ? |
| 23:31.32 | asg | Romano2K: just leave it, it won't hurt anything |
| 23:31.38 | crogue5 | keith80403, ya i am having no luck with mine |
| 23:31.38 | Romano2K | okay |
| 23:31.44 | Romano2K | thank you :) |
| 23:31.44 | Vasistha | sin: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:32.28 | crogue5 | keith80403, tells me the ppd is installed, but the name isn't on the list, and any i do try never send a test page |
| 23:32.56 | stwelin | Honestly, this is going to make me sound really idiotic, but i have no real experience with lsusb. |
| 23:33.13 | stwelin | Vasistha, oops, read above. ^ |
| 23:33.25 | Vasistha | stwelin: just type it in the terminal |
| 23:34.15 | stwelin | Vasistha: all it sees is my wacom tablet and something by Jing-Mold Enterprises |
| 23:34.35 | stwelin | Vasistha: maybe my keyboard. |
| 23:34.40 | sgeigerbot | asg: you rock. Thanks again. |
| 23:34.49 | asg | sgeigerbot: no worries. have fun. |
| 23:34.55 | sgeigerbot | asg: that was the first thing I forgot this month. |
| 23:35.05 | asg | sgeigerbot: :) |
| 23:35.13 | keith80403 | crogue5, I show two documents in the queue, they pause and stay there. I'm going to try an updated driver from the HP site, and uninstall the packages from the Sarge CD's and see if that helps. |
| 23:35.22 | asg | sgeigerbot: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/computers/datacenter/e6800-disgraced.jpg |
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| 23:35.54 | Vasistha | stwelin: hrm. well, is the camera connected and turned on and in the right mode and everything? Is there any chance the jing-mold thing could be the camera? |
| 23:36.59 | crogue5 | tried that for me, i am going to re-install the packages later, the HP site doens't have linux drivers or a PPD download, only Mac and windows |
| 23:37.13 | stwelin | vasistha: possibly? i will google jing mold and see if it has any connections to one of my USB devices, as for the camera, it's in the same mode that it's set to when i transfer pictures off of it using a Windows OS. |
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| 23:37.43 | Vasistha | stwelin: better to just unplug the camera, give it 10 seconds, hit lsusb, plug in the camera again, wait 10 secs, hit lsusb again, see if there are changes |
| 23:37.48 | stwelin | Vasistha, [which would be turned on, and in pic viewer mode.] |
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| 23:38.08 | Vasistha | stwelin: also, type 'dmesg' after plugging it in to see what the kernel is seeing |
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| 23:39.38 | stwelin | Vasistha: no differences in lsusb |
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| 23:39.43 | jelly-home | asg: why?? (Re that picture) |
| 23:40.00 | stwelin | Vasistha: the kernel ouput is too huge for my term to hold anyway, i'm not sure how much help it will be. |
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| 23:40.17 | Vasistha | stwelin: pipe it through tail ... dmesg | tail -n 30 |
| 23:40.35 | superlinux | uptime |
| 23:40.35 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.44 | superlinux | great! |
| 23:41.08 | Vasistha | stwelin: the main thing we're trying to do is to find out whether the kernel sees the camera. It's not appearing in lsusb, which is too bad ... it is more likely to appear in dmesg, though |
| 23:41.30 | stwelin | Vasistha: yeah, i understand |
| 23:41.41 | stwelin | Vasistha: kernel is only seeing 2 devices as well |
| 23:42.05 | Vasistha | stwelin: btw, I hope you're using a 2.6 kernel? With all these new devices, you should definitely be on 2.6 |
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| 23:42.18 | stwelin | Vasistha: of course. |
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| 23:42.52 | Vasistha | stwelin: we're reaching the limits of my troubleshooting skills :P |
| 23:43.12 | Vasistha | let's see, I know there's another place to look... |
| 23:43.15 | stwelin | Vasistha: heh, no worries, i can relate, i only go so far as well |
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| 23:43.55 | stwelin | Vasistha: you've given me some useful tips though, i have more USB devices to troubleshoot, too. :P |
| 23:45.02 | stwelin | Vasistha: My brother should be able to help me try to mount the camera as a drive, though, i think i'll give that a shot. |
| 23:45.18 | stwelin | Vasistha: he has more experience with debian than i do. |
| 23:45.31 | stwelin | er, well, linux. |
| 23:45.49 | Vasistha | stwelin: yeah ... if the kernel can't see it, then chances are digikam won't either :-) But I'm by no means an authority on whether we've covered all the bases on detection |
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| 23:48.01 | stwelin | Vasistha: thanks for the help anyway, at least when i discuss it with my brother i can cross out some options, should help narrow it down. |
| 23:48.21 | Vasistha | stwelin: you're welcome, and good luck with it |
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| 23:55.53 | cds | How do I use apt behind a proxy? |
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| 23:56.23 | tmb | is there a way to install microsoft's true type fonts in sarge? |
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| 23:57.59 | Vasistha | tmb: check out defoma |
| 23:58.39 | Vasistha | tmb: if you want microsoft's "core fonts" there's a package msttcorefonts that will automatically install them |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | msttcorefonts |
| 23:58.42 | abrotman | !msttcorefonts |
| 23:58.43 | dpkg | from memory, msttcorefonts is package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
| 23:58.58 | abrotman | i bet that's out of date |
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| 23:59.07 | Vasistha | tmb: I actually grabbed a couple fonts from my windows partition :-) |
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| 23:59.57 | Vasistha | abrotman: yeah, the script that apt installs seems to do everything pretty intelligently and automatically |
