| 00:00.05 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:00.07 | abrotman | fonts suck |
| 00:00.26 | tmb | when it ry to apt-get install msttcorefonts, it says the package is unavailable but is referred to by another package |
| 00:00.27 | Vasistha | well, I'm glad we have at least one font! |
| 00:00.32 | tmb | do i need to update my sources.list? |
| 00:00.54 | Vasistha | tmb: possibly. It's probably in contrib or non-free |
| 00:01.06 | Vasistha | tmb: it's in contrib |
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| 00:01.24 | tmb | cool thanks |
| 00:02.28 | cds | How do I set by proxy settings, anyone? |
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| 00:03.46 | cds | This thing on? |
| 00:04.04 | bb3 | how do I see which files make a up package? |
| 00:04.28 | abrotman | dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 00:04.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching <pkg> |
| 00:04.43 | abrotman | cds: proxy settings .. for what? |
| 00:04.55 | cds | abrotman: http I guess - for apt. |
| 00:05.11 | abrotman | man apt.conf |
| 00:05.49 | bb3 | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:07.00 | cds | abrotman: I'm lost. |
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| 00:07.32 | abrotman | you have to read it |
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| 00:07.46 | cds | I have - it makes no sense to me. |
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| 00:08.48 | sgeigerbot | asg: Are you still around? Have you checked out this? nettoe - Networked version of Tic Tac Toe for the console |
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| 00:08.55 | sgeigerbot | (I need someone to test it with me.) ;-) |
| 00:08.57 | abrotman | cds: zless /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.g |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | cds: zless /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
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| 00:10.11 | cds | abrotman: Cheers. |
| 00:10.20 | cds | abrotman: Does this go into /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 00:10.25 | abrotman | prolly |
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| 00:12.34 | cds | abrotman: That's got it - thanks! |
| 00:12.39 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 00:13.19 | MatBoy | what is nicer to use ? podcast or shoutcast ? |
| 00:13.27 | MatBoy | I really never used it :) |
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| 00:16.07 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:16.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:18.11 | becks` | hi, i installed libapache-mod-auth-radius - is this module only for apache 1.x? there's no new entry in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | maybe there's a libapache2-mod-auth-radius ? |
| 00:19.17 | becks` | E: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-auth-radius :-) |
| 00:19.33 | abrotman | apt-cache search apache2 radius |
| 00:19.53 | becks` | nothing :( maybe there is no module for it |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 00:31.10 | dansushi18 | I am having trouble changing the resolution higher than 1024x768 on my computer. When I go to try changing the resolution, it gives me 640, 800, and 1024, and doesn't allow higher. How can i fix this? |
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| 00:31.56 | abrotman | !drxx dansushi18 |
| 00:31.57 | dpkg | dansushi18: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 00:32.27 | khaije1 | i read once about a shell command that would repeat a command on a set interval, but i can't remember what it was... anyone know what this is call? |
| 00:32.57 | abrotman | watch |
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| 00:33.01 | khaije1 | watch! |
| 00:33.12 | khaije1 | ty abrotman! |
| 00:33.29 | dansushi18 | dpkg, how do i do that? |
| 00:33.36 | dansushi18 | i'm sorta new with debian |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | it tells you |
| 00:33.47 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 00:33.48 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 00:38.03 | Arafangion | How might one determine the ip address of an expired DNS domain? |
| 00:38.18 | Arafangion | (For example, the ip address of a dyndns-based server) |
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| 00:42.41 | dansushi18 | abrotman- it doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 00:52.15 | easytiger | got the net install working. what the hell i was using suse for i dunno, but debian is doing the job much better |
| 00:52.42 | Shadowcat | rpm hell |
| 00:53.05 | easytiger | lol. quite |
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| 00:54.25 | marco__ | hello |
| 00:55.38 | marco13185 | I'm getting an error when starting xorg: "FreeFontPath: FPE /usr/share/fonts/misc refcount is 2, should be 1 |
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| 00:56.05 | marco13185 | I'm confused on how to change the refcount |
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| 00:59.43 | marco13185 | I'm getting an error when starting xorg: "FreeFontPath: FPE /usr/share/fonts/misc refcount is 2, should be 1 |
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| 01:03.28 | Arafangion | What does 'drwx--S--' mean? |
| 01:03.39 | Arafangion | Specifically, what does the 'S' mean, and how is it distinct from 's'? |
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| 01:05.52 | Arafangion | marco13185: That is not the full error. |
| 01:05.57 | easytiger | im running a system without x, but i need the gtk libs.. whats the apt name for those? |
| 01:06.16 | Arafangion | easytiger: gtk needs x |
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| 01:06.41 | easytiger | Arafangion: so what should i install? |
| 01:06.50 | easytiger | minimally speaking |
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| 01:08.01 | Arafangion | easytiger: Minimally, the gtk libs you apparently need. |
| 01:08.12 | Arafangion | easytiger: apt should install the deps it needs. |
| 01:08.14 | easytiger | but whats the package name |
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| 01:08.34 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 01:08.36 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:09.10 | Arafangion | easytiger: I don't know, what app needs the gtk lib? |
| 01:09.22 | easytiger | its a java swt app |
| 01:09.31 | Arafangion | easytiger: You could try also using apt-cache |
| 01:09.47 | Arafangion | easytiger: Odd that that needs gtk, given that it uses swt |
| 01:10.04 | easytiger | swt on linux is based on gtk |
| 01:10.20 | marco13185 | Arafangion: what's the package to get the base fonts for xorg |
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| 01:11.28 | Arafangion | easytiger: Ahh, ok, that makes sense then. |
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| 01:12.39 | nvz | hmm I kind of want to add testing and unstable to my repo at home.. but I am not sure how I would keep it up to date as I am not online :P |
| 01:13.01 | McGee | Is there a OS that requires a process to declare if a written file should be accessable by other processes? |
| 01:13.17 | nvz | I guess I either need to get internet or a USB enclosure for my extra HD and keep the whole mirror on there |
| 01:13.33 | Arafangion | nvz: Haha :) I, too, have learnt from the folly of keeping sid up-to-date with a 64kbps connection ;) |
| 01:13.37 | rhys | on the Debian ISOs,what are the boot options? |
| 01:13.43 | rhys | is there an Expert option? |
| 01:13.50 | sgeigerbot | McGee: examples would really help your explanation. |
| 01:14.08 | rhys | Damnit computer reboot! |
| 01:14.16 | nvz | Arafangion: well I am most interested in at least getting my boxes upgraded to etch so I can try make sure some of the things that pissed me off about sarge dont happen again.. |
| 01:14.37 | Arafangion | nvz: Such as? |
| 01:14.40 | nvz | Arafangion: and I am not talking a 64kbs connection.. I am talking shoe-leather-net |
| 01:14.50 | rhys | nvz, lol. |
| 01:15.03 | nvz | Arafangion: just bugs, bugs, bugs.. that were never seen or squashed |
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| 01:15.24 | nvz | rhys: heh :) |
| 01:15.32 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Don't let the Deb bugs bite! |
| 01:15.44 | rhys | etch is stable? |
| 01:15.46 | rhys | no? |
| 01:16.05 | sgeigerbot | !+stable |
| 01:16.05 | dpkg | i guess stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r2, or ask me about releases. |
| 01:16.15 | sgeigerbot | !+etch |
| 01:16.15 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 01:16.36 | rhys | does testing break? |
| 01:16.54 | sgeigerbot | rhys: does anything not break? |
| 01:17.26 | rhys | sgeigerbot , i mean is it beta quality? |
| 01:17.45 | nvz | I was thinking about ways I could make an adhoc mobile mesh network to here.. but doesnt seem feasable.. will probably be slow, and I cant even think of a good tranciever.. I considerd cell phones, frs radios (cheapest and has quiet channels) cb, ham.. |
| 01:17.59 | nvz | I dont even have a land line phone to use a modem :P |
| 01:18.22 | rhys | nvz...this does what? |
| 01:18.27 | Arafangion | rhys: You will find that Debian is perhaps a tad pedantic with stability, but we have been burnt too many times to become careless. |
| 01:18.40 | rhys | your best best is a Point to point link if your trying to get wireless internet |
| 01:18.43 | nvz | you can do IP over radio.. using a sound card :P |
| 01:18.49 | Arafangion | rhys: However, it is often said that Debian's Testing or Debian's Unstable is equivalent to most other distros. |
| 01:18.51 | nvz | heh |
| 01:18.56 | rhys | nvz, at 9600 baud, 1k/s transfer |
| 01:19.02 | nvz | yeah exactly |
| 01:19.16 | rhys | Arafangion i see |
| 01:19.29 | rhys | nvz, have you looked at what you can do with standered 2.4 ghz stuff? |
| 01:19.29 | sgeigerbot | rhys: That's why they call it testing. Debian is a little higher quality than your average distro, though, so you can even get away with using unstable. |
| 01:19.31 | nvz | I will have to figure out how to just get adelphia internet.. its really fast.. |
| 01:19.34 | rhys | or 12cm ham radio nvz? |
| 01:19.48 | sgeigerbot | rhys: I wouldn't worry to much about using testing. |
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| 01:19.49 | Arafangion | rhys: I really like it that I can setup a debian server, go away for a year, come back, and upgrade it, and it will _work_, and nothing will change. I like that. |
| 01:20.03 | sgeigerbot | rhys: you can even get away with using a variety of stable/testing/unstable. |
| 01:20.10 | nvz | rhys: well straight shot across the river I am about 1.1miles or so from here.. they have 802.11b/g but its not reaching that far :P |
| 01:20.25 | rhys | ha. nvz, LoS? |
| 01:20.40 | sgeigerbot | s/and/an |
| 01:21.17 | nvz | Morlug, and the Blue Moose Cafe has 802.11 too, they are on my side of the river.. but further away :P |
| 01:21.32 | nvz | I gotta get cable internet :P |
| 01:21.55 | rhys | nvz, a cheaply made biquad fed parbolic reflector will go 2 miles LoS with absolutly no problem |
| 01:22.14 | nvz | yeah I have no idea what that crap means |
| 01:22.28 | nvz | I am less familiar than a newbie when it comes to radio comm |
| 01:22.38 | rhys | nvz, um..basicly a double pair of diamonds put onto a dishnet satalite dish |
| 01:22.43 | rhys | seriously easy as fuck |
| 01:23.22 | nvz | hmm you can get satellite tv dishes all over the place.. the companies generally dont want em back, and the customers want them the fuck off their house |
| 01:23.34 | rhys | nvz, -exactly- :D |
| 01:23.50 | rhys | and if you really wana get big, you know the old dishes? the ones that are 15 foot across? |
| 01:23.52 | rhys | :D |
| 01:24.00 | rhys | can be fed the exact same way. |
| 01:24.13 | rhys | though i havnt seen that done, and i would worry about noise |
| 01:24.15 | nvz | its not really a straight shot though.. this area has lots of trees and mountains.. and hillbillies with all kinds of radio equipment |
| 01:24.36 | nvz | its not like Texas or something where its all flat and you can shoot a radio wave from one end of the state to the other |
| 01:24.45 | rhys | nvz, interferance (QRM) isnt so much a problem as trees....trees will murder it |
| 01:25.12 | nvz | yeah :/ we got trees in the way no doubt |
| 01:25.22 | rhys | hmm..how tall can you get it? |
| 01:25.38 | nvz | with or without attracting lightning? |
| 01:25.41 | nvz | :P |
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| 01:26.01 | rhys | heh. thats always an issue... proper grounding can solve alot of that |
| 01:26.48 | nvz | I need to have another talk with the cable company see if they will hook me up.. if not I gotta talk the landlord into adding high-speed internet and tacking it onto my rent |
| 01:27.08 | nvz | radio probably isnt gonna work in this area too many things in the way |
| 01:27.26 | nvz | or I will just have to move :P |
| 01:27.40 | marco13185 | when trying to start xorg I get this error "could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 01:27.46 | rhys | nvz, eventually i could help you. it is my goal with ham radio to hunt rabbits with it |
| 01:27.47 | rhys | :) |
| 01:27.48 | nvz | in Dallas you could find all kinds of apartment complexs with high-speed internet included |
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| 01:28.21 | nvz | yeah well you need a lisc for ham and I dont know how it works.. but it seems interesting.. my uncle has a ham lisc |
| 01:29.44 | rhys | nvz, 35 question test for your techniitans license |
| 01:30.00 | rhys | pretty easy, taken from 350 question pool, 10 sections. |
| 01:30.11 | rhys | you get privledges of all the high bands above 50mhz |
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| 01:30.57 | nvz | yeah well I know ham works cause you have repeaters all around.. but the question is how fast could you push data across that |
| 01:31.27 | nvz | and the equipment is probably expensive |
| 01:31.43 | rhys | yea, decently expensive |
| 01:31.47 | rhys | my stuff was given |
| 01:31.54 | rhys | and alot of things you can make homebrew |
| 01:32.19 | nvz | I can probably get some things off people I know.. but I dont think its really worth the effort |
| 01:32.28 | rhys | nvz, just a toy |
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| 01:33.09 | nvz | the idea of playing around with adhoc radio networks seems like fun, but I wouldnt want to use it to get on irc, send emails or anything :P |
| 01:34.09 | marco13185 | how do I backup a list of packages I'm removing so I can them reinstall them later? |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 01:34.17 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 01:34.31 | rhys | nvz, if you can find a big enough place inbetween, its not that hard to put a wifi repeater between 2 places.. |
| 01:34.35 | rhys | as llong as you have permission |
| 01:34.48 | marco13185 | abrotman: I'm not cloning though, I'm just gonna remove xorg completely |
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| 01:35.00 | marco13185 | abrotman: mostly because I'm having problems with it, and I'm gonna reinstall it later |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | oh .. that you're removing |
| 01:35.22 | marco13185 | ya |
| 01:35.32 | abrotman | well .. you can use a mix of that and a few other items to get a list of what you rmeoved |
| 01:35.49 | marco13185 | heh, I might take a picture of my monitor |
| 01:35.53 | marco13185 | with all the packages to be removed |
| 01:36.04 | stew | marco13185: you can use "script" to create a log |
| 01:37.04 | nvz | yeah the ideal place would be at the WVU Coliseum its right up on the hill between here in my house.. need it up on the roof right about... here http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=WVU+Coliseum&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF-8&t=k&om=1&ll=39.64917,-79.981193&spn=0.002053,0.003659 |
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| 01:38.25 | rhys | wait..shouldnt i be able to make 2 VGs on one PV? |
| 01:38.27 | Kilopopo | hi |
| 01:38.49 | Kilopopo | just got debian and for some reason when booting off the installation dvd it get stuck at the detecting ide devices |
| 01:38.54 | Kilopopo | what should i do? |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | try the other kernel |
| 01:39.41 | Kilopopo | what kernel should i try |
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| 01:41.08 | Kilopopo | WHERE DO I GET MD5 HASHES |
| 01:41.35 | RHyS_RHaVeN | so yea. shouldnt i be able to add 2 VGs to 1 PV? |
| 01:41.51 | RHyS_RHaVeN | Kilopopo, in the dir you download the debian Cds from, it usually has a file named MD5SUM |
| 01:42.45 | Kilopopo | i dl it with bt |
| 01:43.20 | rhys | Kilopopo, then look at what version it is, go to debian.org, go to the cds, go to downloading them with http/ftp, and look in that directory |
| 01:43.26 | rhys | same CD, different source |
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| 01:44.23 | Kilopopo | ok the ones i dled is nameddebian-31-r2-i386 |
| 01:44.30 | Kilopopo | ok the ones i dled is named debian-31-r2-i386 |
| 01:44.39 | Kilopopo | what source should i go to |
| 01:45.35 | rhys | hmmdedum |
| 01:45.39 | rhys | second |
| 01:46.01 | rhys | did you try google it? |
| 01:46.08 | rhys | debian cd md5sum ? |
| 01:46.32 | Kilopopo | i got it |
| 01:46.57 | Kilopopo | i hope the terminal for debian is not in accessories like command prompt in windows |
| 01:46.57 | rhys | http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:47.27 | rhys | ...heh. Kilopopo, you have never used linux before have you? |
| 01:47.35 | Kilopopo | i have |
| 01:47.59 | Kilopopo | i started with redhat then fedora then gentoo |
| 01:48.10 | abrotman | hitting all the low points eh? :) |
| 01:48.17 | Kilopopo | hey |
| 01:48.23 | dvs | heh |
| 01:48.26 | Kilopopo | i am having a hard time installing debian |
| 01:48.49 | Kilopopo | when i boot installtion dvd i get long wait times in detecting or loading ide drivers |
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| 01:49.24 | abrotman | try the other kernel |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | there are two on that CD |
| 01:49.27 | rhys | Kilopopo, slack and debian. i may eventualy try fedore. |
| 01:49.38 | Pevstruct | hm, okay this is going to be a common question.. |
| 01:49.48 | Kilopopo | fedora is a nice distro |
| 01:49.49 | Pevstruct | why am I having difficulties finding: linux-kbuild-2.6.17.. |
| 01:49.54 | Kilopopo | but i wanna try debian for stability |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | Pevstruct: is that a file or a package? |
| 01:50.33 | Pevstruct | package |
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| 01:51.03 | Pevstruct | trying to install nvidia you see, but the repos aren't being kind today. |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | Pevstruct: should be in sid |
| 01:51.38 | rhys | abrotman, you can install nvidia drivers by apt?! |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:52.47 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:53.31 | marco13185 | hmm, I totally messed up my fonts setup with xorg |
| 01:53.38 | marco13185 | what's the best way to just wipe all the fonts |
| 01:53.40 | marco13185 | and start anew |
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| 01:54.56 | abrotman | marco13185: toss the computer in the tub |
| 01:55.02 | marco13185 | abrotman: lol |
| 01:55.04 | marco13185 | seriously though |
| 01:55.05 | marco13185 | :\ |
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| 01:56.08 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: are the fonts just in font packages? If so: apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 01:56.18 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: I assume... |
| 01:56.27 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: the problems go deeper than that |
| 01:56.28 | marco13185 | I've done that |
| 01:56.41 | marco13185 | wait |
| 01:56.42 | Kilopopo | rhys: have u tried os x x86? |
| 01:56.57 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: Go console-mando |
| 01:57.21 | sgeigerbot | (go commando) |
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| 01:58.07 | rhys | Kilopopo, no. |
| 01:58.23 | rhys | Kilopopo , didnt even know there was OSX for x86 |
| 01:58.28 | rhys | i know apple went to it |
| 01:58.39 | rhys | but i thought you needed an apple still, since they use a different bios |
| 01:59.25 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: perhaps you should explain what "deeper" means |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | jokes ... stop .. can't do it ... bad abrotman |
| 02:00.15 | dvs | abrotman: tell that to azeem |
| 02:00.51 | abrotman | dvs: tell which? |
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| 02:00.55 | abrotman | dvs: that i'm bad? |
| 02:01.03 | dvs | abrotman: that jokes aren't bad |
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| 02:01.11 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:01.22 | Kilopopo | rhys: you just need an sse2 supported cpu to install os x x86 |
| 02:01.23 | sgeigerbot | asg: have you tried mobile ip? |
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| 02:01.45 | sgeigerbot | has anyone here tried mobile ip? |
| 02:01.48 | strange_stone | Hello :) |
| 02:02.10 | rhys | Kilopopo, is SSE an intel only instruction? |
| 02:02.18 | Pevstruct | nvidia one-liner please. |
| 02:02.20 | Kilopopo | its both amd and intel |
| 02:02.24 | rhys | or does that mean just pIII + |
| 02:02.25 | rhys | ? |
| 02:02.54 | Kilopopo | i think sse2 instructions are include only to cpus released in 2004 |
| 02:02.57 | Kilopopo | mostly |
| 02:03.02 | Kilopopo | not only |
| 02:03.15 | Kilopopo | so p3 i think doesnt support the instructions |
| 02:03.32 | Kilopopo | and athlon xp |
| 02:03.34 | Kilopopo | dont |
| 02:03.39 | rhys | :( |
| 02:03.45 | rhys | i have barton cored 2800+ |
| 02:03.45 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: the problem is that the font dirs are all messed up |
| 02:03.48 | Kilopopo | what is your sys rhys |
| 02:03.57 | Kilopopo | barton is xp right |
| 02:03.57 | Pevstruct | !dpkg nvidia |
| 02:03.58 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 02:04.06 | Pevstruct | !dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 02:04.06 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:04.08 | Kilopopo | yes i have barton i think |
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| 02:04.15 | marco13185 | Pevstruct: /msg dpkg |
| 02:04.19 | Pevstruct | ah sorry. |
| 02:04.32 | Pevstruct | won't do it again :) |
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| 02:04.41 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: can't you just reinstall the packages and get the dirs back? |
| 02:04.48 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: nope |
| 02:04.53 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: which dirs? |
| 02:04.54 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: the bitch about the dirs every time |
| 02:05.07 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: let me tell you |
| 02:05.09 | marco13185 | one sec |
| 02:05.13 | wy | hi all |
| 02:05.13 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: /join #paste and give me the error messages |
| 02:05.34 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: I have no idea how to copy in CLI mode |
| 02:05.37 | marco13185 | :\ |
| 02:05.41 | rhys | Kibou, dont plan on putting OSX on anything anytime soon |
| 02:05.45 | wy | I've got a problem tracing multithreaded programs with strace. The program just crash with strace but works fine without it |
| 02:05.59 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: okay? |
| 02:06.07 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: oh... |
| 02:06.11 | marco13185 | lol |
| 02:06.23 | marco13185 | is it even possible? |
| 02:06.44 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: well, do you have a web server somewhere? You can caputure the contents of your commands by typing "script" and then doing your commands. |
| 02:07.01 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: ...and that creates a file called typescrpt, which you could put onto your web server. |
| 02:07.08 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: or you could use gpm |
| 02:07.34 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: or, once you have the typescript, you could open up that file from within yoru gui environment if you have one. |
| 02:08.49 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: how do I pipe the output of a command to a text file? |
| 02:09.04 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: echo "foo" > /tmp/foo |
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| 02:09.31 | marco13185 | so "apt-get install <pkg> > /tmp/output" would work? |
| 02:09.36 | nima | how do i pick which resource i want to talk to someone with using jabber, and gnome |
| 02:09.40 | nima | erxz_paste, gaim |
| 02:09.41 | jamescarr | holy crap ... I just found out something crazy about KFC |
| 02:09.55 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: probably, since you have errors, you need to redirect sterr, as well. Try this: echo "foo" > /tmp/foo 2>&1 |
| 02:09.59 | jamescarr | Ever wonder why they changed the name to KFC from Kentucky Fried Chicken? |
| 02:10.04 | nima | i mean tto say "er, gaim" |
| 02:10.19 | sgeigerbot | jamescarr: no, because everyone knows why |
| 02:10.19 | jamescarr | Apparently the FDA was all in a fuss over them calling themselves that when they don't serve chicken anymore |
| 02:10.42 | sgeigerbot | jamescarr: they changed the name before they stopped serving chicken. |
| 02:10.44 | jamescarr | you see, they genetically engineered this animal that is real long like a centipede, and it grows all the chicken body parts on it |
| 02:10.55 | jamescarr | they just go through and chop all the parts off and cook em |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | dude .. stop reading peta crap ... |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | and totally OT |
| 02:11.07 | sgeigerbot | jamescarr: Were you born yesterday? |
| 02:11.07 | jamescarr | lol |
| 02:11.21 | jamescarr | I know, it's old news |
| 02:11.33 | nima | hahahahahahahaha, thats from a cartoon i watched a long time ago |
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| 02:12.10 | sgeigerbot | fuck...they are closed. |
| 02:12.12 | ApEtc | sgeigerbot: Get me a #3 with cole slaw and mashed potatoes. |
| 02:12.13 | ApEtc | damn |
| 02:12.22 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: so I'd do apt-get install <pkg> > /tmp/output 2>&1 |
| 02:12.31 | ApEtc | jamescarr: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/food/kfc.asp |
| 02:12.40 | jamescarr | that cole slaw ain't real cole slaw either |
| 02:12.41 | sgeigerbot | ApEtc: I would like the 100 leg dinner with mashed potatoes. |
| 02:12.48 | abrotman | isn't it normally ApTeC? |
| 02:13.00 | ApEtc | ApTek is my other me |
| 02:13.08 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: didn't it work? |
| 02:13.09 | abrotman | i was close |
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| 02:13.31 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: replace "<pkg>" with the name of the package you are installing |
| 02:14.04 | jamescarr | Actually, I read that bit about KFC in American Gods by Neil Gaiman |
| 02:14.59 | jamescarr | ha! "Snakes in burger king's ball pits" |
| 02:15.20 | jamescarr | I think it wouldbe scarier if you found "The King" in one of those ball pits, with his satanic plastic face |
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| 02:17.07 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: I'm going to fall asleep in a couple of hours. Hurry up. |
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| 02:19.40 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: realitycheck.servebeer.com |
| 02:19.46 | marco13185 | that should have the logs |
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| 02:21.46 | sgeigerbot | asg: rocks doesn't rock anymore. There's a bug that hasn't been fixed in over 2 years. Perhaps it is only a problem with Debian. Not sure. |
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| 02:21.51 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: did you read the logs? |
| 02:22.56 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: just a second. |
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| 02:24.00 | epsilon | is there any administration tool for Nagios (GUI/web-based)? |
| 02:24.27 | epsilon | nagat is kinda broken |
| 02:26.08 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: join me again in #paste |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | what's wrong with #flood ? |
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| 02:36.21 | roberto | EasyTag can't do it... |
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| 02:37.55 | ru | hi guys |
| 02:38.16 | ru | something is wrong with my sound |
| 02:38.26 | ru | speaker-test doesnt work |
| 02:38.32 | ru | but xine can play via ALSA fine? |
| 02:38.57 | ru | i ran an strace on speaker-test and /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p isnt there |
| 02:39.00 | ru | why would that be? |
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| 02:39.06 | abrotman | snd_oss_pcm |
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| 02:40.04 | Blissex | ru: you are probably using OSS emulation with Xine. |
| 02:40.20 | Blissex | ru: '/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' is the ALSA playback device. |
| 02:40.43 | Blissex | ru: follow the troubleshooting guide in http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
| 02:40.53 | ru | kk |
| 02:40.53 | ru | ta |
| 02:41.10 | ru | the sound was working 100% I just rebooted now and this started |
| 02:41.14 | ru | checking link now |
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| 02:42.14 | jamescarr | has anyone ever developed a script to keep fonts consistent between gtk and qt? |
| 02:42.16 | ru | So if this is missing what does that mean: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 02:42.18 | jamescarr | seems simple really |
| 02:42.36 | ru | And whats weird is the card shows up under /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:42.40 | Blissex | jamescarr: it is extraordinarily difficult |
| 02:43.00 | Blissex | jamescarr: however there is a KDE plugin that generates a GTK config ''similar'' to the KDE config. |
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| 02:45.45 | Vasistha | jamescarr: I'm pretty sure the two different systems are -- well, different systems. Each has quite a number of fonts for different purposes, and the categories don't match up exactly |
| 02:45.51 | ru | Blissex: Why would that sound device not be there though? |
| 02:46.34 | Blissex | ru: one possible reason is mentioned in the troubleshooting guide. The other is that card #0 is not your sound card. |
| 02:47.32 | ru | controlC0 controlC1 hwC1D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC1D0c pcmC1D0p pcmC1D1p pcmC1D2c pcmC1D2p timer |
| 02:47.34 | Vasistha | ru: who knows? Perhaps all you need to do is create it with mknod. I can give you the major, minor numbers and the permissions, if you like |
| 02:47.45 | ru | those are the only items under /dev/snd |
| 02:48.03 | ru | but i set the application to use /dev/dsp1 |
| 02:48.12 | ru | surely that should map to pcmC1D1p? |
| 02:48.20 | Vasistha | ru: a month ago, someone was in here who didn't have /dev/null :-) |
| 02:48.23 | ru | Why would it be trying to read pcmC0D0p |
| 02:49.42 | Vasistha | ru: I don't know that your "surely that should map..." assumption is correct (of course I don't know that it's incorrect, but... ) the point is, who knows? Would you like to create the device? |
| 02:50.21 | Blissex | ru: read that page... |
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| 02:50.52 | Blissex | ru: setting the OSS and ALSA names is unrelated. |
| 02:50.56 | ru | Blissex: I am, but its all a little overwhelming im pretty new to sound in linux |
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| 02:51.43 | Blissex | ru: what is happening is that some apps use OSS, some ALSA, and you need to configure _both_ to use card #1 and not card #0. Or else read the first entry under ''tasks'' in that page. |
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| 02:53.03 | ru | I just tested with XMMS and its playback works with both ALSA and OSS |
| 02:53.30 | ru | both using the default device |
| 02:53.31 | ru | hmm |
| 02:54.01 | jetscreamer | alsa oss wrapper |
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| 02:54.20 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: hey...are you here? |
| 02:54.27 | marco13185 | ya |
| 02:54.28 | marco13185 | I'm here |
| 02:55.21 | marco13185 | well, I have this problem. I stupidly ran two third-party installers (xgl and lg3d), after than I could not startx |
| 02:55.32 | marco13185 | I get an error about not being able to find the 'fixed' font |
| 02:55.45 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: give the exact error message. |
| 02:55.49 | marco13185 | I remove and reinstall a bunch of font packages |
| 02:55.49 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 02:56.09 | marco13185 | "could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 02:56.12 | rockstar_ | I'm tring to run an autogen.sh and I get an aclocal: command not found error. What package do I need? |
| 02:56.13 | poonj | how is the 64-bit port? are all of the apps going to be ported over? |
| 02:56.34 | marco13185 | but during the reinstall of the packages, APT insists that the font dirs don't exist |
| 02:56.37 | marco13185 | even though I've made them |
| 02:56.47 | sgeigerbot | !+fontfix |
| 02:56.48 | dpkg | i guess fontfix is that some people have been having problems with XFree 4.0.x; if you have xfonts-base installed, but it still can't find the "fixed" font, ask me about "install xf4" and make sure /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc is in your font path. ask me about fonts.alias, or don't forget to restart xfs, or ask about fixedfont, or ask about "squares" |
| 02:57.49 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: try this: sudo apt-get install xfs |
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| 02:58.15 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: or if you have it already, resinstall it...or perhaps just restart it. |
| 02:59.29 | marco13185 | it still crashes |
| 02:59.36 | marco13185 | mainly because I guess all the font dirs are empty |
| 02:59.43 | marco13185 | :\ |
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| 03:00.54 | tnks | Hi. Is it possible to have a script count the number of displays? |
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| 03:01.18 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: all you have to do is get one font installed properly and X will start. |
| 03:01.20 | tnks | I'm not sure how best to figure out how many displays are up. |
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| 03:01.37 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: marco13185 keep trying. Read that factoid that the apt bot output (above). |
| 03:01.38 | marco13185 | lol, one font |
| 03:02.53 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: focus on getting xfonts-base installed properly. |
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| 03:03.22 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: the directories keep disapearing |
| 03:03.25 | marco13185 | I don't understand this |
| 03:04.51 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: Well, if I were you I would start doing this: ps aux | less ...and look for things you might suspect of killing your directories. |
| 03:05.28 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: Is this a Debian system? |
| 03:05.31 | marco13185 | yes |
| 03:05.32 | marco13185 | it is |
| 03:05.34 | marco13185 | Sid |
| 03:05.52 | marco13185 | but this has nothing to do with packaging, this has to do with the installers I used |
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| 03:06.02 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: well, unless you have some strange filesystem mounting going on, I'm going to assume something is deleting the directoires... |
| 03:06.13 | marco13185 | I think it's apt |
| 03:06.43 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: create the directories and then install (don't do a purge of the packages beforehand). Does dthat help? |
| 03:06.53 | marco13185 | no |
| 03:06.57 | marco13185 | the dirs disapear |
| 03:07.05 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: the packages install |
| 03:07.13 | rockstar_ | Anyone know where I can get the aclocal binary? I've got a /usr/share/aclocal, but no binary, and autogen.sh needs it. |
| 03:07.32 | twb | I'm trying to build a LAMP server using etch. |
| 03:07.32 | twb | It's for pedagogy, not production; I don't care about stability. |
| 03:07.32 | twb | However... apache2 is segfaulting. What steps can I take to isolate the fault? |
| 03:07.37 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: can you actually put files into directories without them getting removed by some daemon that is running on your system? |
| 03:08.05 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: if so, I would consider unpacking the xfonts-base package to your home directory and then copying things into the places they need to go. |
| 03:08.14 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: Do you have another Debian system there? |
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| 03:08.24 | marco13185 | all I have is a windows install |
| 03:08.26 | marco13185 | :\ |
| 03:09.13 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: ok, then go here to find out which files should go where: http://www.ncee.net/shane/xfonts-base.txt |
| 03:09.36 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: hmm, I do have knoppix |
| 03:09.43 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: you don't need it. |
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| 03:09.50 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: just do what I suggested. |
| 03:09.57 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: I suck at teh CLI |
| 03:10.04 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: well, you need to learn. |
| 03:10.10 | marco13185 | heh |
| 03:10.30 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: there's no repair option from the install disk? |
| 03:10.34 | marco13185 | I have the net install |
| 03:10.35 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: it's the best way to do many things. It would be dumb to use a gui all the time. It's like the keyboard vs the mouse. |
| 03:10.45 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: using one all the time is just stupid. |
| 03:10.47 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: I use the CLI a lot, but in X |
| 03:10.48 | sin | http://www.uberg33k.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Funny&id=tira |
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| 03:11.05 | marco13185 | i'm not used to doing stuff like IRC and HTTP in CLI |
| 03:11.17 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: and, actually, the one that is harder to learn is the more expressive one, and the one you are more likely to use a lot if you kknow both. |
| 03:11.38 | marco13185 | true |
| 03:11.51 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: but, would it be possible to fix the install from the net install disc? |
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| 03:11.59 | marco13185 | with the expert cheat code of course |
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| 03:12.41 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: I have no idea what the real problem is here...but it seems that you are just missing some font files. Perhaps apt is removing stuff you dont' want it to remove...and if so, that's not a really big problem. |
| 03:12.52 | marco13185 | true |
| 03:13.01 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: You just need to get this stuff from the xfonts-base package into your filesystem so X can use it. |
| 03:13.08 | marco13185 | I should run knoppix and back up my home dir anyways |
| 03:13.13 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: it looks as if you can't use apt-get to do it. Strange... |
| 03:13.31 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: no, you don't need to do that quite yet. You aren't risking your home dir. |
| 03:13.32 | marco13185 | meh, I'll copy it to my USB key in CLI |
| 03:13.43 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: just continue with the xfonts-base files copying. |
| 03:14.00 | sgeigerbot | Are we the only ones in this channel! |
| 03:14.05 | marco13185 | lol |
| 03:14.06 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: Yes. |
| 03:14.11 | marco13185 | this place is awfully calm |
| 03:14.12 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: damn. |
| 03:14.20 | sgeigerbot | I like Knoppix. |
| 03:14.58 | sgeigerbot | Hm.. .this is not the #debian I remember. |
| 03:15.06 | sgeigerbot | asg: psst. |
| 03:15.14 | marco13185 | Knoppix is nice for quick work |
| 03:15.19 | marco13185 | it's come in handy before |
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| 03:15.22 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: Pfft, you're behind the times. |
| 03:15.29 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: zippit! You should be copying! |
| 03:15.33 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: Ubuntu's a far more recent victim :) |
| 03:15.34 | marco13185 | lol |
| 03:16.34 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: I'm not using X11R6 though |
| 03:17.13 | marco13185 | nm |
| 03:17.15 | marco13185 | that was stupid |
| 03:17.45 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: careful not to pick on yourself in here or else people will join in |
| 03:17.51 | sgeigerbot | !+srt marco13185 |
| 03:17.58 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: I need sleep. |
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| 03:18.27 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: .deb packages are what type of archive again? |
| 03:18.40 | marco13185 | and I've never really used tar on the cli before |
| 03:18.41 | marco13185 | :( |
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| 03:19.58 | marco13185 | sgeigerbot: this is going to be much easier in Knoppix |
| 03:19.59 | marco13185 | :\ |
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| 03:21.00 | Arafangion | marco13185: .deb's are .deb packages. |
| 03:21.11 | Arafangion | marco13185: Much like .rpm's are .rpm packages. |
| 03:21.20 | Arafangion | marco13185: Except, obviously, one uses different tools ;) |
| 03:21.21 | marco13185 | Arafangion: no, they're a certain type of archive |
| 03:21.39 | marco13185 | that can be renamed and used as that archive type (you don't have to rename) |
| 03:21.45 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: what are you talking about? |
| 03:21.56 | marco13185 | aren't debs a certain type of archive |
| 03:22.04 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: you can use tar and gzip to unzip .deb files |
| 03:22.04 | marco13185 | like tar.gz or something? |
| 03:22.20 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: have you figured out how to get the xfonts-base .deb file yet? |
| 03:22.26 | marco13185 | no |
| 03:22.28 | marco13185 | I'm gonna brb in knoppix |
| 03:22.31 | marco13185 | and do it from there |
| 03:22.32 | marco13185 | :\ |
| 03:22.48 | sgeigerbot | marco13185: I thought it was just "sudo apt-get install --download-only xfonts-base" but I'm apparently mistaken. |
| 03:22.58 | marco13185 | maybe it is |
| 03:23.02 | marco13185 | but this is gonna be easier in knoppix |
| 03:23.03 | marco13185 | brb |
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| 03:23.20 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: I think he's confused. |
| 03:24.53 | sgeigerbot | MarGarina: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfonts-base/xfonts-base_1.0.0-3_all.deb <-- that would probably do the trick |
| 03:25.02 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: yes...why don't you help him. |
| 03:25.14 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: I'm very tired...and can't continue longer. |
| 03:25.22 | sgeigerbot | damn...he's gone!!! |
| 03:25.24 | sgeigerbot | fuck. |
| 03:25.53 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: I don't see why he doens't just... install the dang program. |
| 03:26.26 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: serious breakage prevents that from happening. |
| 03:26.37 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: I'm merely trying to find a workaround. |
| 03:26.50 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: How'd he manage to cause "serious breakage"? |
| 03:27.00 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: 3rd party installers |
| 03:27.15 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: I see, no doubt written for Redhat. |
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| 03:27.40 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: One could reinstall all the packages. |
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| 03:28.14 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: that's what I mean: he can't. |
| 03:28.25 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot: Odd. |
| 03:28.52 | Readon | what should i do to make the svn server run after i aptitude install subversion |
| 03:29.13 | sgeigerbot | fuck...I hate it when I'm about to give someone an answer and they just leave |
| 03:29.35 | sgeigerbot | Let this be a lesson to the rest of you: don't compute with just one computer! damn. |
| 03:29.38 | sgeigerbot | pita |
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| 03:30.15 | tonsofpcs | lol |
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| 03:32.34 | jamescarr | I don't want to go to any heaven where the roads are paved with blunts. |
| 03:33.05 | sgeigerbot | MarGarina: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfonts-base/xfonts-base_1.0.0-3_all.deb ; sudo apt-get install unp; unp xfonts-base*; unp data.tar.gz |
| 03:33.12 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.13 | sgeigerbot | fuck |
| 03:33.22 | sgeigerbot | his name is marco something... |
| 03:33.27 | sgeigerbot | marco13185 |
| 03:33.36 | jamescarr | marco polo? |
| 03:33.49 | Arafangion | jamescarr: Tsk Tsk.... |
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| 03:35.58 | cat | hey |
| 03:36.15 | cat | where do i put something like this export IRCUSER="ident" |
| 03:36.20 | cat | on .profile? |
| 03:36.47 | Arafangion | cat: Depends on your shell. |
| 03:36.53 | cat | im using bash |
| 03:37.01 | cat | i've ready try .bashrc |
| 03:37.04 | cat | but is not working |
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| 03:37.45 | stoned | is your ~/.bashrc sourced in ~/.bash_profile? |
| 03:38.44 | cat | thnx |
| 03:39.06 | Arafangion | cat: It's very confusing, but bash uses .bashrc, and .bash_profile for different reasons. |
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| 03:42.11 | stoned | cat, echo "source ~/.bashrc" >> ~/.bash_profile |
| 03:42.23 | stoned | cat, then relogin for it to take effect |
| 03:42.39 | stoned | or start another shell instance |
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| 03:42.44 | stoned | not sure if you have to relogin though |
| 03:42.54 | Arafangion | You do. |
| 03:43.30 | Arafangion | Specifically, one file is read for login shells, and the other file is read for non-login shells. |
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| 03:44.02 | jamescarr | Do you remember when Noah planted a barrel and killed those pizza slices? I do. |
| 03:44.03 | m0dY | could i upgrade a certain pkg to a newer version than the current tree provides me using apt-get ????? |
| 03:44.35 | Arafangion | m0dY: "The current tree"? |
| 03:44.46 | m0dY | like if i'm now on "stable" |
| 03:45.02 | Arafangion | m0dY: apt-get upgrade will update to the very latest set of packages on "stable". |
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| 03:45.09 | m0dY | i wanna have a newer openssl than which the stable tree provides |
| 03:45.30 | Arafangion | m0dY: backports.org, or port it yourself. |
| 03:45.47 | m0dY | i know that..but , i wanna use a certain pkg from the unstable tree, could this be available? |
| 03:46.03 | Arafangion | m0dY: What do you think backports.org does? |
| 03:46.23 | m0dY | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.27 | stoned | !tell m0dY -about simple sid backport |
| 03:46.36 | stoned | !tell m0dY -about backports |
| 03:47.07 | m0dY | :/ |
| 03:47.26 | cat | !ncurses |
| 03:47.26 | dpkg | i heard ncurses is a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. fun. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely wants to: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 03:48.19 | rhys | it is taking me 15 minutes just to download the package list from mirrors.kernel.org |
| 03:48.22 | rhys | :( |
| 03:48.36 | stoned | cat, http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 03:48.40 | Arafangion | Pick a different mirror. |
| 03:48.41 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 03:48.42 | dpkg | somebody said msg the bot was please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell> |
| 03:49.10 | rhys | Arafangion...im transfering at 3k/s. not the mirrors fault. |
| 03:50.02 | Arafangion | rhys: Tell the other person to pick a different uploader ;) |
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| 03:50.49 | rhys | Arafangion ...i think your talking about me mooching of someones wirless (which i would do, properly, if anyone had wireless out here) but no, i mean dialup |
| 03:51.36 | stoned | rhys, Arafangion, that is considered trespass, and it is illegal to do so |
| 03:51.54 | stoned | well, not everywhere |
| 03:51.58 | stoned | so good luck with it |
| 03:52.01 | stoned | :) |
| 03:52.14 | rhys | thank you legal beagle |
| 03:52.21 | rhys | ill remember that. |
| 03:53.03 | Arafangion | stoned: What is? |
| 03:53.30 | Arafangion | stoned: I never said anything about using somebody else's equipment without permission. |
| 03:53.39 | rhys | im the only one in a mile in any direction that even has internet. :\ |
| 03:53.49 | Arafangion | rhys: Nice. |
| 03:54.26 | Arafangion | rhys: But, one mile isn't that impressive, really. |
| 03:54.50 | rhys | ....arafangion, they wont hook up my cable |
| 03:54.55 | Arafangion | rhys: My grand parents were the only one within *20* km that had decent internet access, and that was dialup (at about 4.7 kbps, which wasn't too bad) |
| 03:54.58 | rhys | its 700M!! |
| 03:55.00 | rhys | to the end of the cable line |
| 03:55.13 | rhys | they wont do it |
| 03:55.27 | Arafangion | This dialup was partly on a copper connection - and partly *radio*! |
| 03:55.50 | rhys | my soultion.. |
| 03:55.51 | Arafangion | The radio is needed to bring it up to a standard suitable for regular voice calls. |
| 03:56.04 | rhys | disgruntled users, RAISE UP AND -KILL- TIME WARNER EMPLOYEES! |
| 03:56.12 | rhys | hey stoned, i bet that aint legal either |
| 03:56.35 | Arafangion | rhys: With time warner, legality has nothign to do with it. |
| 03:56.36 | stoned | once again, sarcasm is lost on me, though you can keep wasting your time, be my guest |
| 03:56.48 | rhys | but i figure, if enough users run into timer warner offices with AKs and machetes, they will start being niecer with users. |
| 03:56.54 | m0dY | Arafangion: is this backports.org an official debian site? |
| 03:57.04 | Arafangion | m0dY: No, but it might as well be. |
| 03:57.16 | m0dY | oh |
| 03:57.27 | m0dY | then can't be used in a production env. |
| 03:57.42 | Arafangion | m0dY: Why? |
| 03:57.52 | Arafangion | m0dY: What do you mean by "official"? |
| 03:57.54 | jamescarr | damn it |
| 03:58.02 | rhys | kinda like the post office. the employees killed a few people and all ofa sudden "im stressed" "take a vacation. a paid vacation. take as long as you want." |
| 03:58.06 | jamescarr | do yall systems slow down when doing apt-get upgrade? |
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| 03:58.50 | Arafangion | m0dY: It's not "pertaining to an office or public trust", but it is managed by many "official" debian packagers in their spare time. |
| 03:59.10 | Arafangion | m0dY: So, what do you _mean_ by "official"? |
| 03:59.22 | Arafangion | m0dY: It's certainly the accepted method. |
| 04:00.38 | m0dY | yeah i agree |
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| 04:00.56 | m0dY | but where's the repo is it getting it's files from |
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| 04:12.33 | ru | has anyone here ever had a problem with fglrx looking "grainy" ? |
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| 04:16.44 | tnks | Can I get the dollar sign to work? |
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| 04:23.22 | jamescarr | when I did an apt-get upgrade, it's wanting to install a new kernel and giving me the choice to abort. SHOULD I ABORT!? |
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| 04:27.56 | whaq | hi kinky people |
| 04:28.40 | bronze | you want effnet |
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| 04:30.11 | stoned | jamescarr, it shouldn't matter. It will not replace your kernel, only add the new one, and you can always select the older kernel to boot with, just don't remove it. also, it is a good idea to keep a spare working kernel around, in case shit goes haywire |
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| 04:40.19 | grendal_prime | damn knoppix is amazing, allthe shit they fit in a 700 meg cd...even the nx front end.. |
| 04:40.22 | grendal_prime | fkn cool |
| 04:44.05 | Ex-Cyber | grendal_prime: if you think that's amazing, you should look at Damn Small Linux |
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| 04:47.12 | grendal_prime | well to be honest...they have about a baziilion different repos in the source.list..i mean...and from every angle...testing unstable, freakshow, you name it... |
| 04:47.48 | grendal_prime | im just wondering where the stuff for free nx is and...there are a few choice packages i would like to track down. |
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| 04:48.16 | rellim | anyone in here have any experiences with the debian GNU/Hurd port |
| 04:48.36 | grendal_prime | not me.. |
| 04:48.57 | rellim | i don't have it installed ... i am just curious about it |
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| 04:49.43 | grendal_prime | never even...ahum...hurd of ie |
| 04:49.44 | grendal_prime | heheheh |
| 04:49.52 | grendal_prime | it that is |
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| 04:51.01 | rellim | :P |
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| 04:51.37 | rellim | well the moment debian releases a stable port of it, it will run on my machine ... i really like the idea and what has been done with it |
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| 04:52.37 | rellim | i like the linux kernel, but i think we have gotten to a point where its a little bloated and the code is kinda messy but i really just think that is a side effect of its age |
| 04:52.50 | rellim | and its capability |
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| 04:54.34 | rellim | oh whoa ... according the the debian hurd install page, it only supports ext2 atm ... hope that is changed by stable release |
| 04:54.40 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 04:54.42 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:55.01 | TARZEAU | rellim: wanna try debian gnu/kfreebsd ? #gnu-kbsd |
| 04:55.03 | Ex-Cyber | rellim: I don't know; I think NetBSD kind of stands in contrast to the notion that a kernel has to get more bloated and crufty the more capable you make it |
| 04:55.35 | rellim | i'm not too well versed in the BSD kernel, but i have heard that before |
| 04:55.44 | rellim | NetBSD |
| 04:55.46 | rellim | ** |
| 04:56.11 | TARZEAU | why does alien not add a section: when converting a package from rpm to deb? |
| 04:56.19 | rellim | i dunno, i also think it would be kinda cool to have a completely gnu operating system also |
| 04:56.25 | TARZEAU | how can i fix 30 .debs to have a section? |
| 04:56.42 | TARZEAU | rellim: you'll have dpkg and apt-get |
| 04:56.44 | rellim | a section? |
| 04:56.53 | TARZEAU | debian packages have sections, yes |
| 04:56.55 | TARZEAU | !section |
| 04:57.01 | Ex-Cyber | and Plan 9 kind of stands in contrast to the notion that you actually have to add more capabilities to a kernel to get a more capable system |
| 04:57.07 | rellim | TARZEAU: dpkg and apt are pretty much all i need in an OS |
| 04:57.14 | TARZEAU | rellim: you |
| 04:57.21 | TARZEAU | rellim: you'll get that with debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 04:57.42 | litage | if the libc6 package is upgraded, should one restart the computer to take advantage of the update? |
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| 04:57.49 | rellim | TARZEAU: i know ... how is the freebsd kernel vs. the linux kernel? |
| 04:57.52 | TARZEAU | litage: no |
| 04:57.54 | Ex-Cyber | litage: not necessary |
| 04:58.01 | TARZEAU | rellim: see the /topic of #gnu-kbsd |
| 04:58.16 | litage | TARZEAU, Ex-Cyber: should all services be restarted? |
| 04:58.18 | rellim | Ex-Cyber: i've read about Plan 9 and thought about trying it out, but haven't gotten around to it |
| 04:58.22 | TARZEAU | litage: yes |
| 04:58.51 | litage | if you upgrade the libc6 package, can you later downgrade [safely/easily]? |
| 04:59.00 | TARZEAU | litage: no |
| 04:59.07 | litage | TARZEAU: why's that? |
| 04:59.16 | Ex-Cyber | rellim: I just installed it again last night... it's not going to go on any enterprise desktops anytime soon but it really is an intriguing environment |
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| 05:01.10 | rellim | Ex-Cyber: i might have to look into that on a secondary box just for fun |
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| 05:06.13 | tonsofpcs | anyone know where the muh package on sarge puts muhrc? |
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| 05:07.49 | peterS | tonsofpcs: you can probably find out with 'dpkg -L muh' |
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| 05:08.17 | tonsofpcs | thanks |
| 05:08.50 | peterS | tonsofpcs: or, if it has an executable /usr/bin/muh or something, sometimes 'strings /usr/bin/muh | grep muhrc' will do it |
| 05:09.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | muh... Is this like something to setup a bnc ? |
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| 05:15.26 | RaCarter | does anyone use acls? |
| 05:15.37 | Vasistha | !nickometer Ox0F0-0FF |
| 05:15.39 | dpkg | 'Ox0F0-0FF' is 99.390% lame, vasistha |
| 05:16.03 | Ox0F0-0FF | This nickometer thing is so lame |
| 05:16.29 | Vasistha | Ox0F0-0FF: it seems to have several ratings ... 0, 25, and then 99.xxx |
| 05:17.04 | Vasistha | Ox0F0-0FF: It really ought to ... do something more interesting, so we would get more of a range of results. And perhaps some randomness thrown in as well :D |
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| 05:17.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | My nick defines the range of ports to access an fpu on x86 platforms, added to the fact it starts by an O not a 0 in observance of the IRC RFC |
| 05:17.44 | Ox0F0-0FF | i think the result comes from /dev/urandom, yeah :) |
| 05:18.25 | Ox0F0-0FF | dpkg's nickometer feature is 99.427% lame |
| 05:18.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | :) |
| 05:18.37 | Vasistha | well, it seems to give consistent results to the same nick :-) hehe |
| 05:19.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | !nickometer dpkg |
| 05:19.05 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, ox0f0-0ff |
| 05:19.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum |
| 05:19.15 | _mh | heh |
| 05:19.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | !nickometer Vasistha |
| 05:19.19 | dpkg | 'Vasistha' is 0.000% lame, ox0f0-0ff |
| 05:19.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | hum |
| 05:19.27 | Vasistha | the nickometer dislikes mixed cased and mixed in numbers |
| 05:19.30 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
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| 05:19.30 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* play with the bots, don't do it here. Use /msg and play there. |
| 05:19.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | certainly, yead |
| 05:19.53 | Vasistha | Ox0F0-0FF: the lamest nick I've found to date is: _________________________________ |
| 05:19.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | lol |
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| 05:20.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | !nickometer _________________________________ |
| 05:20.13 | dpkg | '_________________________________' is 99.9962% lame, ox0f0-0ff |
| 05:20.21 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 05:20.21 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* play with the bots, don't do it here. Use /msg and play there. |
| 05:20.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | The bot agrees with you |
| 05:20.24 | Vasistha | just a bunch of underscores strung together. Anyway, what was that you were asking about, which drew my attention to your bizarre nick? :-) |
| 05:20.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | Yes, my nick is bizarre |
| 05:21.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | but I've got it for so many years now |
| 05:21.18 | amphi | nay, repellent ;) |
| 05:21.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | hey, i really should be sleeping by now |
| 05:21.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | Good night guys :) |
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| 05:29.49 | sparr | what media player can play a kvcd directly from a .bin/.cue pair? |
| 05:30.00 | grendal_prime | anyone every used freenx? |
| 05:30.16 | bony | i have a problem with apt-proxy. when i try to update apt i get this error "111 conection refused" |
| 05:30.30 | bony | i tried to restart apt-proxy but no use |
| 05:30.40 | grendal_prime | im lost..this seems overly complicated..or something. there is no man file flr nxclient wich is sort of dissenchanting? |
| 05:30.43 | sparr | bony: is your proxy working? |
| 05:31.10 | bony | sparr: it used to work perfectly before i upgrade the server were apt-proxy is installed |
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| 05:31.53 | bony | sparr: when i restart apt-prxy before upgrading it used to take 2 to 3 min for restarting but now it hardly takes 1 sec |
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| 05:32.36 | bony | there is nothing wrong in conf file of apt-proxy. |
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| 05:39.11 | bony | quit |
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| 05:44.51 | grendal_prime | this is just nuts, anyone every use freenx? |
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| 05:45.42 | grendal_prime | aparently the server is up, and working ive added the user, i just dont know how to work the client |
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| 05:56.34 | sakara | hey all |
| 05:57.07 | sakara | anyone here had any experience with xebian? |
| 05:57.16 | amphi | never 'eard of it |
| 05:57.30 | sakara | debian for the xbox console |
| 05:57.37 | amphi | ah |
| 05:57.39 | stoned | xbox-linux something org com |
| 05:57.42 | stoned | !xebian |
| 05:57.42 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
| 05:58.07 | sakara | I have looked at the site has anyone used it? |
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| 05:59.39 | sakara | lol |
| 06:00.01 | sakara | yer I aint used one much until I saw one for $40 and was like hmm got to try get lniux onto it |
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| 06:00.18 | sakara | I am tossing up whether to attempt to use xebian or gentoox |
| 06:01.03 | sakara | well first question Debian vs Gentoo |
| 06:01.11 | sakara | anyone ever looked at gentoo? |
| 06:01.14 | amphi | that's not a question ;) |
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| 06:01.27 | litage | why is it not possible/advisable/easy to downgrade your libc6 package? |
| 06:01.39 | sakara | how does it fair against debian? why choose debian for your system |
| 06:01.40 | peterS | sakara: the question is too vague, please ask what you really want to know, if it's about debian |
| 06:01.58 | amphi | !tell sakara about greenhouse |
| 06:02.13 | stoned | a greenhouse of pot! |
| 06:02.17 | stoned | muuahaha |
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| 06:02.51 | peterS | sakara: as for why choose debian, because it takes no time to install, and takes no time to maintain, and no time to configure, and no time to maintain. gentoo is great if you have lots of time on your hands and want to use that time to maintain your systems, rather than to get work done |
| 06:03.14 | stoned | !why debian |
| 06:03.14 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 06:03.27 | dondelelcaro | We'd argue that if you have that time, you're better off spending it helping Debian than wasting it on your own box. |
| 06:03.29 | peterS | sakara: if you want any more detail about gentoo, you'll have to ask on some channel where people use it |
| 06:03.38 | sakara | yes of course |
| 06:03.50 | peterS | anyway, that's sort of the short version for why we think debian is better |
| 06:03.52 | sakara | I ask there for a comparison and they will say go ask the debian people lol |
| 06:03.56 | peterS | plus, we think debian has better quality control |
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| 06:04.25 | dondelelcaro | sakara: well, that's pretty much because no one has bothered to compare them; most people who really understand Debian run Debian and haven't ever bothered to run Gentoo. |
| 06:04.33 | peterS | from what I've heard, in gentoo's unstable branch, if you can call it that, things are horribly broken all the time. in debian's unstable, things are horribly broken only on occasion |
| 06:04.53 | sakara | ic |
| 06:05.08 | unstable | Not to mention; there are numerous benchmarks out there. And gentoo just isn't faster. |
| 06:05.18 | mne | I have problems using libcdk5-dev: all cdk headerfiles are in /usr/include/cdk, unfortunately all header files include other cdk like "#include <cdk.h>" instead of "#include <cdk/cdk.h>". Is there a workaround, should I post a bug report. any solutions ? |
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| 06:05.19 | sakara | can debian have a gui put onto it? |
| 06:05.27 | sakara | does it come shiped with one |
| 06:05.33 | sakara | pkged with one |
| 06:05.37 | unstable | yes |
| 06:05.59 | rshakin | yes it can have any gui you want |
| 06:06.06 | peterS | sakara: more than one. debian has a wider selection of free software shipped than just about anyone else. all major free software GUI components are included. |
| 06:06.12 | sakara | nice |
| 06:06.17 | sakara | so I install it |
| 06:06.24 | sakara | and apt-get gnome-desktop ? |
| 06:06.27 | wols | peterS: s/just about// |
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| 06:06.38 | sakara | and boom I have a gui? |
| 06:06.39 | rshakin | ok... looking for sparc ppl that run sparc port of debian |
| 06:06.42 | unstable | sakara: apt-get install xorg x-window-system-core gnome |
| 06:06.52 | peterS | rshakin: there exists #debian-sparc, but I think #sparc is more active |
| 06:06.55 | unstable | sakara: apt-get install xorg x-window-system-core gnome gdm firefox |
| 06:06.58 | sakara | awesome sounds brilliant |
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| 06:07.08 | wols | sakara: no. then you just have gnome. you can run your X-server from somewhere else you know |
| 06:07.18 | sakara | what kernel is the latest stable release running |
| 06:07.23 | rshakin | yeah... i am already in #debian-sparc logging in the sparc channel now. |
| 06:07.24 | peterS | wols: x-window-system-core doesn't include an X server? it used to |
| 06:07.31 | unstable | sakara: 2.6.8 |
| 06:07.36 | unstable | er; wait no |
| 06:07.37 | wols | peterS: it does. but he only menitioned gnome in his apt line |
| 06:07.44 | unstable | I don't know. |
| 06:07.49 | peterS | wols: oh right. but someone else answered his question already, mentioning those other packages |
| 06:07.50 | wols | 2.6.8 is right |
| 06:08.08 | sakara | current is 2.6.15-25 yer? |
| 06:08.15 | wols | no |
| 06:08.25 | wols | current is 2.6.17-4 |
| 06:08.29 | sakara | ahh |
| 06:09.13 | sakara | why have such an old kernel? |
| 06:09.38 | rshakin | hehe ehh it's debian we are little behind... but on the safe side |
| 06:09.40 | unstable | sakara: Because it's stable. |
| 06:09.44 | wols | cause it's debian stable which came out 1 year ago |
| 06:09.45 | peterS | sakara: because at the beginning of the freeze before release last year, that was current |
| 06:09.53 | streuner_ | you can use whatever you want, sakara. |
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| 06:09.58 | peterS | sakara: it takes a long time to make sure a kernel works really well on all 12 supported Debian architectures |
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| 06:10.12 | sakara | fair enough |
| 06:10.17 | sakara | that makes sence? |
| 06:10.32 | sakara | I have never understood the whole kernel development |
| 06:10.36 | wols | if you run a desktop system, you might want to look at debian testing aka etch. There are some caveats (certainly no more than othre "stable" distros) but you can have a very recent kernel or other software |
| 06:10.36 | peterS | sakara: you can't just swap in a new kernel and ship a stable release, not on Debian. next release, scheduled for December, will probably have some flavor of 2.6.17. |
| 06:10.40 | sakara | properly anyway |
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| 06:11.28 | sakara | wols I want a gui because I wont have a keyboard for my system.. |
| 06:12.13 | Tallu | I dont have a keyboard nor a monitor for my system :P |
| 06:12.13 | rshakin | is there a way to use a new kernel package with the stable branch |
| 06:12.17 | sakara | well not once its running |
| 06:12.30 | peterS | rshakin: you can get newer kernel packages intended for use on stable, at http://backports.org/ |
| 06:12.40 | rshakin | thanx peter |
| 06:13.32 | sakara | How is Ubuntu affiliated with Debian? If at all? |
| 06:14.13 | dondelelcaro | sakara: it's a derivative of Debian, just like the couple hundred other derivatives |
| 06:14.50 | sakara | where did Debian come from? if other os's are dericatives of debian? |
| 06:15.17 | peterS | sakara: debian was put together from scratch, it's not a derivative of anything, except that individual software _within_ debian mostly comes from other sources, just as with other distributions |
| 06:15.50 | sakara | ok.. the kernel in all linux operating systems is the same yes? |
| 06:15.54 | peterS | sakara: it was invented as an alternative to slackware, red hat, yggdrasil and other distributions of the early 90s, but AFAIK it didn't borrow much if any from those |
| 06:16.13 | peterS | sakara: yes, the kernel is the same, and most apps are the same, but each distribution does its own integration and quality control (bug fixing) |
| 06:16.39 | sakara | ahhh |
| 06:16.49 | peterS | sakara: so while everyone ships a Linux kernel and openoffice.org, everyone also applies small patches to these to fix bugs either in the apps themselves, or bugs in the integration between different apps, to produce a unified product |
| 06:16.51 | TARZEAU | the nicest about debian is, anyone can easily contribute |
| 06:17.17 | sakara | ic |
| 06:17.55 | streuner_ | yeah, that's what iam told him too :-) |
| 06:17.55 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: no it was just for fun, is it that annoying? |
| 06:17.58 | sakara | yes I love the whole community aspect to linux it is a shame it has been 15 years for me to find out about it |
| 06:18.09 | peterS | sakara: that's really the difference between different distributions - how much work they put into integrating all packages to behave more or less the same way, and how well they respond to user bug reports by patching the applications as needed |
| 06:18.36 | sakara | very nicely explained peterS thanks |
| 06:19.18 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: nah, there are things that are much more annoying.... |
| 06:19.28 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: ...like popcorn? |
| 06:19.40 | dondelelcaro | I don't know about popcorn |
| 06:19.49 | TARZEAU | !popcorn |
| 06:20.22 | streuner | !nickometer TARZEAU |
| 06:20.24 | dpkg | 'TARZEAU' is 99.830% lame, streuner |
| 06:20.45 | TARZEAU | !nickmeter streuner |
| 06:20.46 | dpkg | streuner is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 06:20.58 | streuner | haha |
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| 06:23.59 | syntaxx | where can i find the courier-imap logs? |
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| 06:25.44 | cliffd | I need to ask some really newbie questions and have somone deal with me like I know nothing. |
| 06:25.51 | peterS | syntaxx: no idea but I'd start in /var/log/mail.* and go from there |
| 06:25.54 | cliffd | can I install debian, and then upgrade the kernel? |
| 06:26.10 | dabreegster | cliffd: How can we assume you know how to read our responses, breathe, type, etc?" |
| 06:26.21 | dabreegster | cliffd: But basically, yeah, you can. |
| 06:26.31 | cliffd | hehe dabreegster ok nothing about debian, sorry. |
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| 06:26.49 | sakara | I assume I can share files on a home network using Debian.. yes? How easy will it be for my other machines (Windows XP, Ubuntu, Xubuntu) to use the shared files? |
| 06:26.59 | dabreegster | cliffd: Once your system is installed, you could apt-get install linux-image-version or compile your own, if you life. |
| 06:27.00 | cliffd | are kernels done in pkg format, and if so can I modify options and recompile or is everything on or in module form like in redhat? |
| 06:27.36 | cliffd | dabreegster: do I have to compile and then package and then install, or can I just compile and point grub to it? |
| 06:27.53 | centrx | cliffd, you do not have to package it, though it is convenient to do so |
| 06:28.01 | dabreegster | cliffd: You could do either, but it's much simpler to do the latter. |
| 06:28.01 | amphi | sakara: samba... |
| 06:28.12 | dabreegster | cliffd: Er, former |
| 06:28.32 | cliffd | dabreegster centrx, thanks... also what are backports? is there an easy explanation for that? |
| 06:28.38 | sakara | I thought samba was used to get a linux machine to use windows shares? |
| 06:28.55 | peterS | sakara: technically, no, it's the other way around |
| 06:29.14 | sakara | ahh |
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| 06:29.29 | peterS | sakara: however, samba also ships with client software ('smbclient') that lets you do that, and a helper program for a kernel driver ('smbmount') to do it more intuitively |
| 06:29.37 | cliffd | sakara: samba server is used to share something TO windows machines, and smb client is used to have a linux machine interface as a client to a windows domain or windows based share |
| 06:29.43 | centrx | cliffd, Newer software that has been packaged by people for the older libraries in the stable release |
| 06:29.44 | sakara | ahh |
| 06:29.47 | Mitja | What would be open source AutoCAD-like app for Debian? |
| 06:30.22 | sakara | only experiance I have had was using smbfs too run mount -t smb //<shares> |
| 06:30.49 | cliffd | centrx: If I install etch, with a 2.4 kernel, can I then upgrade to 2.6.14 or so, and have no foreseeable problems with udev or devfs or something similar? |
| 06:31.01 | centrx | cliffd, that is correct |
| 06:31.13 | Vasistha | Mitja: hrm, someone was in here a month ago looking for such an app |
| 06:31.17 | centrx | cliffd, that is, if you use the package management system |
| 06:31.29 | cliffd | centrx: yeah. ok thanks very much for the help. |
| 06:31.37 | centrx | cliffd, if you compile the kernel yourself, without packaging it, there may be required software not installed |
| 06:31.39 | Mitja | Vasistha, or for linux, I can compile it then |
| 06:32.06 | Mitja | Vasistha, do you remember his/her nick? |
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| 06:32.15 | Vasistha | Mitja: killown |
| 06:32.19 | cliffd | do you guys suggest sarge or etch for a laptop? im tired of building things by hand in gentoo. its way to much work for a laptop. |
| 06:32.33 | Mitja | Vasistha, thanks |
| 06:32.39 | Vasistha | Mitja: he had some fancy large-format printer, and was looking for drivers and cad software, I believe he got the thing working! |
| 06:32.56 | centrx | Mitja, they exist, but i do not use them so i don't know which ones are great, "qcad" is a standard one |
| 06:33.01 | centrx | s/standard/common |
| 06:33.05 | Vasistha | cliffd: depends what you want from your system. Sarge is super-easy low-maintenance, but we're still using KDE 3.3 |
| 06:33.38 | Mitja | centrx, cheers, will take a look |
| 06:33.39 | centrx | cliffd, etch could have slightly more hiccups, but is much newer |
| 06:33.59 | Vasistha | Mitja: hrm, someone recommended inkscape to him, but I don't know if that's suitable ... still lookin'... |
| 06:34.18 | dabreegster | cliffd: Etch is stable enough for a desktop box, especially if you're not a complete beginner to Linux. |
| 06:34.22 | Vasistha | (and of course qcad) |
| 06:34.25 | centrx | cliffd, I have always used the testing branch without difficulty |
| 06:34.47 | Mitja | qcad appears to be only 2D, I'm looking for 3D |
| 06:35.01 | Vasistha | Mitja: it looks like killown settled on linuxcad |
| 06:35.21 | peterS | Mitja: 3D CAD in free software? does not exist, that I've ever seen - everyone doing free software CAD seems stuck in 1993 when Autocad was state of the art |
| 06:35.24 | cliffd | Vasistha, centrx, dabreegster: thanks for the help and info. im sure ill be back to bug you later. have a good night. |
| 06:35.39 | Mitja | Specifically I want a 3D architect to design a house (just for my free time) |
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| 06:35.42 | peterS | Mitja: PRO/Engineer is available for Linux, if I'm not mistaken. it's far from free, of course. |
| 06:35.49 | Vasistha | clif4d: you too, enjoy! And welcome |
| 06:36.02 | dabreegster | Mitja: Wine + The Sims! The only reason I used to play the game, of course. |
| 06:36.55 | Mitja | dabreegster, hehe, gameplay + designing nice choice :D |
| 06:37.17 | TARZEAU | can i tell debian.org to send me an email if one package moves from unstable to testing? |
| 06:37.23 | peterS | seriously, CAD in free software is so pathetic it's not even funny. you think photoshop snobs have reason to turn their noses up at the gimp, you ain't seen nothin. |
| 06:37.28 | khaije1 | any reccomendations on a gtk+ personal finance manager? |
| 06:37.31 | TARZEAU | i get such mails for packages maintained by me, can i order them for any package i want? |
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| 06:37.42 | khaije1 | gnucash is the only one i know of, didn't like it too tough... |
| 06:38.00 | peterS | TARZEAU: aren't those notices sent to the PTS? I think you just have to subscribe to a package |
| 06:38.54 | TARZEAU | peterS: great. done. thanks |
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| 06:43.10 | KoluCCi | Hi all. What is wrong with my kernel? |
| 06:43.18 | amphi | heh |
| 06:43.33 | peterS | KoluCCi: I broke it, sorry |
| 06:43.35 | KoluCCi | With 2.6.8.2 default with my installation XFree works good |
| 06:44.05 | KoluCCi | but, when I recompile my kernel with sources from kernel org (i'm upgrading to 2.6.15.7) XFree doesn't work at all! |
| 06:44.07 | etrask | well. works well :P |
| 06:44.26 | peterS | KoluCCi: maybe you forgot important things like CPU MTRR support |
| 06:44.40 | khaije1 | KoluCCi: just curious, what distro and version are you using? |
| 06:44.41 | peterS | how should we know what you did differently to the Debian builds? |
| 06:44.48 | KoluCCi | peterS, I'm using 2.6.8.2 config for compilation |
| 06:44.54 | amphi | peterS: x requires that now? |
| 06:45.09 | peterS | amphi: it makes pretty heavy use of it, I don't know that it's supposed to be strictly required |
| 06:45.14 | KoluCCi | khaije1, i'm using Debian 3.1r2 |
| 06:45.25 | peterS | amphi: on the i386 platform, of course - mtrrs don't make much sense on, say, sparc |
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| 06:49.06 | Blackhold | hello |
| 06:49.13 | unstable | !greet Blackhold |
| 06:49.13 | dpkg | Hello, Blackhold |
| 06:49.17 | Blackhold | where i could download the iso of debian sid? |
| 06:49.26 | streuner | you can't |
| 06:49.37 | unstable | !tell Blackhold about d-i |
| 06:49.41 | unstable | Blackhold: You get can etch; then dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 06:49.46 | Blackhold | uh... and then if I want to install directly a debian sid? |
| 06:49.58 | unstable | Blackhold: You can't. |
| 06:49.59 | streuner | Blackhold: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:50.20 | Blackhold | ok |
| 06:50.22 | Blackhold | thnks |
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| 06:52.49 | litb | hello all! |
| 06:53.01 | sid | !greet litage |
| 06:53.01 | dpkg | Bonjour, litage |
| 06:53.01 | sid | er |
| 06:53.05 | litb | is there apackage of freetype2 with bytecode interpreter enabled? |
| 06:53.05 | sid | !greet litb |
| 06:53.06 | dpkg | Bonjour, litb |
| 06:53.17 | litb | thanks ;) |
| 06:53.34 | litb | my fonts looks very ugly here |
| 06:53.47 | litb | i'm using testing/unstable |
| 06:54.17 | streuner | which fonts? |
| 06:54.38 | streuner | fonts in your WM, fonts in some GTK-based apps? |
| 06:54.41 | litb | fonts which arent anti-aliased, which i prefer |
| 06:54.54 | litb | fonts rendered by freetype2 |
| 06:55.25 | litb | isn't there a deb with freetype2 and bytecode interpreter enabled? |
| 06:55.38 | litb | or do i have to compile my own? |
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| 06:56.07 | donopan | anyone use lids here? |
| 06:56.11 | sid | litb: apt-get build-dep freetype2; apt-get source freetype2; tar zxvf freetype*z; cd freetype*; ./configure --enable-bytecode-interpreter; make; make install; |
| 06:56.21 | sid | although I know nothing about fonts; and I'm probably wrong |
| 06:56.22 | litb | wtf? |
| 06:56.31 | sid | !tell donopan about anyone |
| 06:56.32 | litb | huh, thats nice |
| 06:57.00 | sid | I made up all that; you have to tweak it; Is there even a freetype2 package? |
| 06:57.04 | litb | whatr does build-dep do? |
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| 06:57.13 | Loady | guys.. i need some help. im building apache from source with dpkg-buildsource, i need to make some source changes and i want to use the package system. i get a error in the make process and i can fix it, but i need to read the build logfile. but where the heck can i find it. dpkg-buildpackage does not have any log options. and my dpkg log file does not produce any output from the build. |
| 06:57.13 | streuner | sid: no |
| 06:57.30 | sid | litb: Gets all the dependencies for a package; so you can compile it; ie -dev packages |
| 06:57.42 | litb | ah, i didn't know that |
| 06:57.49 | donopan | hah that was nice sid |
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| 06:57.56 | litb | suse hasn't that feature in rpm afaik. debian rulez :D |
| 06:58.20 | donopan | okay umm, *rephrases* Anyone familiar with LIDS that could give me a quick hand on writing ACL's and Why the default ones aren't working? |
| 06:58.29 | dondelelcaro | Loady: all the build results go to stdout and stderr. |
| 06:58.37 | sid | !tell donopan about lids |
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| 06:59.04 | dondelelcaro | Loady: if you want to log them, do something like this: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us > foolog 2>&1 |
| 06:59.17 | donopan | !tell sid about the_time_that_donopan_went_there_and_just_didnt_get_his_answers_so_he_came_to_#debian_on_freenode |
| 06:59.29 | Loady | dondelelcaro: thanks. i was hoping for a decent logging system with better output. but i guess i have to redirect it as you recomended. |
| 07:00.40 | sid | donopan: http://www.lids.org/news_archie-2001.html |
| 07:00.55 | sid | donopan: There is an irc channel #lids on irc.openprojects.net according to that web page. |
| 07:01.06 | donopan | awsome - thanks sid |
| 07:01.08 | orge | what's the latest version of gnome? |
| 07:01.11 | orge | 2.8.3? |
| 07:01.17 | sid | no |
| 07:01.28 | orge | what does etch have? |
| 07:01.39 | sid | orge: The latest gnome from gnome.org is 2.14 |
| 07:01.45 | sid | !info gnome etch |
| 07:01.46 | donopan | heh sid - dosnt exist :/ |
| 07:01.48 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.12.3 (etch), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 07:01.53 | orge | damn, sarge is outdated as a motherfucker |
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| 07:02.04 | donopan | back in 2001 as well :( |
| 07:02.09 | sid | orge: It's not outdated. It's called stable. |
| 07:02.17 | sid | orge: It's like that for a reason. |
| 07:02.23 | orge | ic |
| 07:02.30 | streuner | sid: libfreetype6 |
| 07:02.39 | stoned | sid, while that might be true, and good, it is still outdated. Do not deny that |
| 07:02.40 | orge | stable but outdated, both have pros and cons |
| 07:02.46 | p0seidon | hi |
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| 07:02.51 | itari | are there an information technology professionals in here? i'm thinking of going into the field and was wondering the advantages of doing a College vs ITT-Tech |
| 07:02.54 | sid | orge: If you aren't running a production server; maybe you should think about etch for a desktop. |
| 07:02.57 | itari | are there an information technology professionals in here? i'm thinking of going into the field and was wondering the advantages of doing a College vs ITT-Tech |
| 07:03.04 | itari | or a vocational school ... if you will. |
| 07:03.06 | orge | i use sarge for both |
| 07:03.07 | itari | sorry |
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| 07:03.54 | sid | itari: This is a support channel for #debian not #life |
| 07:03.54 | sid | !tell itari about ot |
| 07:03.54 | orge | and using etch is like using windows aint it? not that stable |
| 07:04.04 | itari | !sid where is the OT? |
| 07:04.06 | dpkg | itari: okay |
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| 07:04.29 | sid | hello p0seidon |
| 07:04.51 | orge | what's etch gonna be? |
| 07:04.58 | stoned | stable in a few months |
| 07:05.05 | orge | the name of the toy story thing |
| 07:05.06 | stoned | thats what its gonna be |
| 07:05.08 | orge | i mean the code name |
| 07:05.11 | stoned | yes |
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| 07:05.14 | stoned | always toy story |
| 07:05.18 | orge | i know it is |
| 07:05.21 | orge | what's the name |
| 07:05.22 | sid | orge: What do you mean? |
| 07:05.29 | stoned | etch will remain etch |
| 07:05.35 | stoned | the new testing AFTER etch has not been named yet |
| 07:05.42 | stoned | since well, etch isn't stable yet |
| 07:05.43 | stoned | so... |
| 07:05.43 | orge | i mean, the next after that |
| 07:05.51 | orge | the 'stable' name |
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| 07:06.00 | litb | there is "freetype_2.2.1-2.diff.gz freetype_2.2.1.orig.tar.gz" which one is the right? |
| 07:06.00 | stoned | it will remain to be etch |
| 07:06.03 | orge | like current 'stable' is sarge |
| 07:06.09 | dabreegster | I think he means the next testing. |
| 07:06.14 | stoned | etch is in testing phase right now, and will move to stable phase |
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| 07:06.18 | orge | then what's after sarge |
| 07:06.24 | orge | that's what im saying |
| 07:06.27 | stoned | the new version in testing will be called whatever they want to name it |
| 07:06.35 | stoned | and I've told you twice already |
| 07:06.39 | sid | orchid_: etch will be released; and become the stable branch; then sarge will become dated and eventually support for sarge will stop. Then a new name will be created for the new testing(a snapshot of sid) |
| 07:06.41 | orge | ^^ yes, and what is it? |
| 07:06.53 | Mitja | peterS, what about designing a house in Blender? It's just for fun anyway, and I don't need real CAD support |
| 07:06.55 | stoned | FOR FUCKS SAKE, it is not yet named |
| 07:06.57 | stoned | jeez |
| 07:07.04 | orge | lol |
| 07:07.05 | sid | orge: That hasn't been decided yet. |
| 07:07.12 | orge | i thought it was named already |
| 07:07.12 | sid | orge: Debian works on one release at a time. |
| 07:07.22 | sid | orge: etch is the next release. |
| 07:07.30 | sid | orge: etch isn't out yet. |
| 07:07.32 | orge | what about sid |
| 07:07.40 | stoned | always will remain sid |
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| 07:07.42 | peterS | Mitja: dunno, blender isn't CAD exactly, don't know how suited it is for architectural mockups |
| 07:07.43 | sid | sid will never be released |
| 07:07.46 | Ex-Cyber | sid = unstable |
| 07:07.50 | orge | word |
| 07:08.00 | Ex-Cyber | when etch is released, sid = unstable |
| 07:08.00 | sid | orge: sid == unstabe; and it will never ever be released. It will always be unstable; |
| 07:08.10 | stoned | alright guys, g'night |
| 07:08.14 | Mitja | peterS, http://www.blender.org/cms/Images.151.0.html |
| 07:08.16 | khaije1 | night stoned |
| 07:08.24 | stoned | oooh! the beast is loose |
| 07:08.26 | stoned | :D |
| 07:08.28 | litb | where can i see what the package config options was of a package? |
| 07:08.35 | litb | so that i can reuse them? |
| 07:08.43 | streuner | litb: debian/control |
| 07:08.56 | streuner | litb: get the debian source and look into that file |
| 07:09.10 | peterS | litb: don't listen to him, read debian/rules instead |
| 07:09.20 | litb | and debian/../freetype-2.2.1.tar.bz2 is the patched freetype? |
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| 07:09.35 | streuner | litb: yeah, debian/rules as peterS said :-) |
| 07:10.06 | streuner | libfreetype6 sound more useful... |
| 07:10.12 | streuner | !info libfreetype6 |
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| 07:10.18 | dpkg | libfreetype6: (FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 336 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
| 07:10.23 | litb | yes, i used it |
| 07:10.32 | litb | i meant the options which was passed to ./configure |
| 07:10.42 | streuner | peterS told you |
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| 07:13.05 | litb | ah, it is a makefile. so i need to unpack it manually, make changes to the source to enable hinting, comment out the unpack target of the makefile and do "make -f debian/rules build" ? |
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| 07:14.38 | streuner | !rebuild from source |
| 07:14.47 | streuner | !rebuild from debian source |
| 07:14.48 | dpkg | [rebuild from debian source] add the needed deb-src lines (/msg apt deb-src), then run 'apt-get source whatever; apt-get build-dep whatever'. cd into the newly created 'whatever' dir, then edit anything you want. for compilation options, look in debian/rules. then run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us' to get your shiny new .debs |
| 07:15.12 | RvGaTe | gooood morning |
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| 07:17.56 | litage | why is it not possible/advisable/easy to downgrade your libc6 package? |
| 07:18.09 | Arafangion | Ha! |
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| 07:18.29 | streuner | well, many packages depends on libc6... |
| 07:18.29 | Arafangion | litage: There are some things that just _don't_ work well. :) |
| 07:18.49 | litage | Arafangion: so upgrading libc6 is a one-way ticket? |
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| 07:19.20 | Arafangion | litage: Suppose your version of libc is *grabs a number out of the air* version 6.1, and you have version 6.2, in which a new function 'bigger_better_foo();' was made. |
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| 07:19.45 | RAMATACK | hi everybody |
| 07:19.46 | Arafangion | litage: Half of every single dang program on the system has decided to use it. |
| 07:20.05 | Kennie | Hi, I bit dumb question but how can I remove a ethernet adapter? I removed it out /etc/network/interfaces and did a /etc/init.d/network restart but they still listed |
| 07:20.21 | amphi | Kennie: listed where? |
| 07:20.22 | Arafangion | Kennie: Got a screwdriver? |
| 07:20.30 | litage | thanks |
| 07:20.32 | Kennie | amphi : ifconfig |
| 07:20.39 | Kennie | Arafangion : nop |
| 07:20.45 | Kennie | :p |
| 07:20.53 | Arafangion | Kennie: Too bad. |
| 07:20.54 | Kennie | its only 1 card but the others are virtual |
| 07:20.55 | amphi | Kennie: ifconfig <device> down |
| 07:21.00 | Kennie | eth0:0 etc |
| 07:21.00 | Kennie | k |
| 07:21.10 | Arafangion | Kennie: Consider learning the 'ip' program. |
| 07:21.23 | Arafangion | Kennie: It's the bigger_better_ifconfig, afaik. :) |
| 07:21.49 | RAMATACK | I have a raid 0 over software made with 2 sata hardisks maxtor 200 gb on a promise sata raid (but not use this raid) controller. And have too in my system an IDE disk in wich swap and boot are. So in the raid 0 (md0) it's only /.when I shutdown the machine tells md0 device stopped. md0 device is too busy. md0 remounted read only why is happening this? |
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| 07:22.17 | Kennie | hehe, its still morning :p, anyway asked in wrong chan too cus its ubuntu but they both the same :) |
| 07:22.30 | sid | Kennie: ifconfig eth0 down; ifdown eth0; |
| 07:22.32 | sid | Kennie: that? |
| 07:22.39 | Kennie | yeah |
| 07:22.45 | Kennie | ifdown didn't work althought :/ |
| 07:22.54 | sid | !tell Kennie about ubuntu |
| 07:22.59 | amphi | Kennie: ifconfig always works |
| 07:23.07 | sid | Kennie: Canonical must have made some weird changes to ifconfig |
| 07:23.10 | sid | see #ubuntu Kennie |
| 07:23.26 | Kennie | i know ubuntu is debian based |
| 07:23.29 | Arafangion | Kennie: I find that doing debian things in ubuntu, and other distros, really craps things up sometimes with the fancy autoconfiguration tools. |
| 07:23.39 | wols | but it's not debian |
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| 07:23.44 | Kennie | all good now, ty :) |
| 07:23.48 | Kennie | nah but debian based |
| 07:23.56 | wols | and we obviously don't know how ubuntu borked your ifconfig, so ask them and not us |
| 07:23.57 | Kennie | and ifconfig is on all distros almost the same |
| 07:23.59 | TARZEAU | Arafangion: and CUPS! ubuntu raped cups! |
| 07:24.09 | Kennie | doesnt matter it works now :p |
| 07:24.15 | Kennie | thanks, and cya later /o\ |
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| 07:24.32 | RAMATACK | does anybody know something about my problem? |
| 07:25.09 | TARZEAU | RAMATACK: what kernel? |
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| 07:25.42 | RAMATACK | I'm in doubt if default 2.4 or installed with boot option linux26 on debian installation |
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| 07:25.55 | Arafangion | TARZEAU: In what way? (Though I'm annoyed that Ubuntu's CUPS doesn't browse by default) |
| 07:26.19 | TARZEAU | Arafangion: try cups web configuration on ubuntu |
| 07:26.26 | TARZEAU | Arafangion: tell them to do so? |
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| 07:26.41 | TARZEAU | Arafangion: the gnome cups auto browser DOSes cups server(s)! |
| 07:26.55 | TARZEAU | Arafangion: we've got one cupsd and 150 printers .. and like 150 clients |
| 07:27.08 | azeem | the gnome cups stuff needs loving, yeah |
| 07:27.20 | azeem | Redhat were doing it a while ago, but I don't know what came out of that |
| 07:27.31 | azeem | plus there was a serious leak in gnome-cups-icon discovered lately |
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| 07:29.13 | RAMATACK | TARZEAU: the problem is I'm not on the machine and can't know exactly that at the moment |
| 07:29.32 | RAMATACK | TARZEAU: do you think it's a kernel problem? |
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| 07:31.13 | RAMATACK | help with this please... |
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| 07:31.20 | RAMATACK | come soon... thanks a lot |
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| 07:39.51 | RAMATACK | here I am again |
| 07:40.21 | RAMATACK | does anybody know what's my problem? |
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| 07:40.29 | litb | hi again! |
| 07:40.41 | litb | from where can i get msttcorefonts ? |
| 07:41.34 | azeem | litb: it's in contrib |
| 07:41.37 | azeem | !contrib |
| 07:41.38 | dpkg | methinks contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'non-free contrib' on the end. |
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| 07:43.08 | lucia_ | anyone who knows what "PITR" means? i got the word from Dilbert. |
| 07:43.20 | azeem | it's the name of one of the characters |
| 07:43.40 | azeem | eh, one of the characters from userfriendly, not dilber |
| 07:43.53 | azeem | no idea what it would mean in context of Dilbert |
| 07:44.28 | lucia_ | ah i see thank you. |
| 07:44.41 | RAMATACK | thanks for you're time, have a nice day |
| 07:44.43 | RAMATACK | bye! |
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| 07:49.09 | HelmutG | How to make python-support support python2.5? |
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| 07:49.15 | rockstar_ | What package has the aclocal binary? |
| 07:49.46 | SlayerXP | rockstar_: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 07:50.01 | rockstar_ | SlayerXP, did an apt-cache search aclocal and found nothing. |
| 07:50.08 | azeem | rockstar_: automake |
| 07:50.10 | SlayerXP | rockstar_: that's nice. |
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| 07:50.51 | azeem | SlayerXP: packages.debian.org file search is broken ATM |
| 07:51.00 | SlayerXP | oh |
| 07:51.09 | HelmutG | apt-file search then. ;-) |
| 07:51.13 | azeem | as is apt-file, I assume |
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| 07:51.21 | HelmutG | uhm. sounds bad. |
| 07:51.26 | azeem | well, broken for testing/unstable, it might work for stable, not sure |
| 07:51.32 | azeem | You have searched for aclocal in stable, architecture i386. |
| 07:51.33 | azeem | Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture.You have searched for aclocal in stable, architecture i386. |
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| 07:51.41 | azeem | urgh, bad paste |
| 07:53.50 | azeem | right, it (p.d.o file search) works for stable but not testing/unstable |
| 07:53.53 | azeem | !find aclocal-1.4 stable |
| 07:54.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aclocal-1.4' (1): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.4) in devel/automake1.4. |
| 07:54.32 | azeem | !+find aclocal-1.4 stable |
| 07:54.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aclocal-1.4' (1): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.4) in devel/automake1.4. |
| 07:54.42 | azeem | !+find aclocal-1.4 unstable |
| 07:54.43 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:54.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'aclocal-1.4' returned no results. |
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| 07:55.14 | azeem | however, Contents.gz generation seems to be getting fixed from today on |
| 07:55.26 | koriel | hi all...how many cds do I need to install a basic debian system? |
| 07:55.40 | azeem | koriel: one netinst ISO, if you have decent interenet |
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| 07:57.23 | koriel | azeem: so I have to download the minimal bootable cd image? |
| 07:57.39 | azeem | koriel: what kind of internet do you have? |
| 07:57.51 | my007ms | in the command find what - and + mean |
| 07:58.14 | my007ms | for example what diff find -perm +222 and find -perm -222 |
| 07:58.17 | koriel | nice one...32MBps I think |
| 07:58.18 | azeem | my007ms: you mean the !+find? |
| 07:58.24 | azeem | my007ms: ah, nevermind then |
| 07:58.32 | azeem | koriel: what *kind* of internet? |
| 07:58.41 | azeem | dialup, cable, DSL router/modem? |
| 07:58.51 | my007ms | azeem, is i get the same with to command ?? |
| 07:58.57 | koriel | dsl I suppose.. |
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| 07:59.08 | azeem | koriel: do you have a DSL router? |
| 07:59.15 | azeem | or do you need to dialin with your computer? |
| 07:59.30 | my007ms | azeem, so what is does the + and - mean |
| 07:59.38 | koriel | I'm behind a lan network so no dialin..just lan settings |
| 07:59.40 | azeem | my007ms: I don't know, please read the documentation |
| 08:00.07 | azeem | koriel: ok, so you have DHCP? |
| 08:00.17 | azeem | what network card, do you use WLAN or ethernet? |
| 08:00.24 | HelmutG | my007ms: the + syntax is deprecated |
| 08:00.28 | koriel | no dhcp but can't I manually setup the network settings? |
| 08:00.33 | azeem | koriel: you can |
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| 08:01.09 | my007ms | sure + is greater than and less than but this in number but in perm i can not get what it will mean |
| 08:01.13 | koriel | np then |
| 08:01.15 | koriel | thx alot |
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| 08:01.27 | azeem | koriel: ethernet or WLAN? |
| 08:01.59 | azeem | koriel: anyway, the netinst ISO sounds best for you, you might want to type `linux26' at the boot prompt to get a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:02.01 | azeem | !netinst |
| 08:02.02 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 08:02.30 | HelmutG | Can I somehow make python-support support python2.5? |
| 08:02.43 | my007ms | - All of the permission bits mode are set for the file , + Any of the permission bits mode are set for the file. |
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| 08:03.25 | wols | HelmutG: my (sid) package of that name only needs python >= 2.3.5 |
| 08:03.30 | wols | so your 2.5 should be fine |
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| 08:06.22 | HelmutG | wols: yeah, but python-flup did not get bytecompiled for 2.5. |
| 08:07.23 | azeem | HelmutG: so maybe file a wishlist bug for 2.5 support |
| 08:07.28 | azeem | after making sure there is none |
| 08:07.36 | azeem | but note that 2.5 is only in experimental |
| 08:07.47 | HelmutG | wols: the fix was in two parts: mention 2.5 in /usr/share/python/debian_defaults and mention /var/lib/python-support/python2.5 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/python-support.pth. |
| 08:08.18 | HelmutG | azeem: I know. 2.5 isn't even compiled for amd64 (so I did it myself) |
| 08:08.45 | wols | also, python-flup explicitly depends on python 2.4, so maybe file a bug/wish against that too |
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| 08:10.25 | HelmutG | wols: that's ok (for now) as there (theoretically) is no python2.5 |
| 08:10.42 | HelmutG | wols: I only wanted to fix python-support on my local system. |
| 08:10.47 | my007ms | any information about what this italian player said to zidane before the headbutt ? it must be very nasty... "sure this is not abut debian stuff" |
| 08:10.50 | my007ms | :) |
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| 08:24.13 | richiefrich | sorry im not to sure where to put this.. so here it goes.. I have a flock.deb for ppc if anyones interested |
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| 08:24.50 | jazzanova | hi |
| 08:24.59 | creature | Hello everyone. I've done an apt-get upgrade to the latest etch and it's blown my X install away. I'm getting "No screens found" along with "Failed to load module 'glx'" and "Failed to load module 'nvidia'". Any help? |
| 08:25.14 | jazzanova | does anyone have a Polyview monitor ? I need the DC recquirement for it. |
| 08:26.26 | wireddd | creature, what did you update from? |
| 08:26.42 | wireddd | err upgrade from |
| 08:29.09 | creature | wireddd: The sytem was about a month old. |
| 08:29.18 | creature | It might have been a dist-upgrade, actually. |
| 08:29.45 | lunitik | creature: you updated and restarted w/ new kernel? you redo nvidia things for your new kernel? |
| 08:30.01 | Ex-Cyber | creature: see if any packages are being held back; I've had that bite me before (though somewhat less spectacularly) |
| 08:30.34 | creature | No new kernel, lunitik. I run my own, and I tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers anyway. |
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| 08:31.28 | creature | Hmm, I think i might have had an incomplete upgrade. I did have some troubles with the system and had to iron out some issues by hand. |
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| 08:31.52 | creature | As in, apt-get dist-upgrade still has a lot it wants to do. |
| 08:31.55 | lunitik | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 08:32.04 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
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| 08:32.47 | lunitik | ahhh... xorg modular tree is in etch... |
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| 08:33.25 | creature | Yeah. |
| 08:34.17 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:35.17 | LinuxHelp | war95, ping? |
| 08:35.31 | tdn | How do I uninstall a .deb package that I have just installed with dpkg -i? I have downloaded the .deb package for Skype and installed it manually using dpkg -i. Now I would like to remove it. |
| 08:35.46 | azeem | tdn: dpkg -r <package> |
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| 08:35.51 | LinuxHelp | apt-get remove <packagename> ? |
| 08:35.52 | azeem | not the filename, the package name |
| 08:36.04 | tdn | azeem, LinuxHelp: ok. Thanks. |
| 08:36.06 | lunitik | !tell creature about xorg69to7 |
| 08:36.24 | ktwilight | what's the recommended way to install sid's kernel? |
| 08:36.30 | lunitik | !tell creature about xfree->xorg |
| 08:36.42 | azeem | ktwilight: install on a sid system? |
| 08:36.44 | lunitik | creature: see if those are useful to you... both are relivant |
| 08:36.57 | ktwilight | no azeem, running on etch |
| 08:37.09 | azeem | ktwilight: uhm, no idea then |
| 08:37.13 | ktwilight | i need the latest kernel for my wireless issue |
| 08:37.15 | LinuxHelp | I dont have a page-up 8/ can someone tell me if war95 is in this channel? |
| 08:37.21 | ktwilight | etch only has 2.6.15, and i need 2.6.17? |
| 08:37.48 | Tallu | LinuxHelp: he is |
| 08:37.53 | ktwilight | k, thanks anywayzs azeem :) |
| 08:38.13 | MoDaX | LinuxHelp: /whois war95 |
| 08:38.16 | azeem | ktwilight: well, you could temporarily add unstable to sources.list, apt-get install the kernel and remove unstable again |
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| 08:38.24 | azeem | (and run apt-get update in between and at the end) |
| 08:38.34 | azeem | no idea whether that'll work, though |
| 08:38.37 | LinuxHelp | ktwilight, I use debs testing, so I just downloaded the 2.6.17 source .tar and compiled |
| 08:38.51 | ktwilight | source from kernel.org? |
| 08:38.55 | LinuxHelp | yeah |
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| 08:39.05 | azeem | ktwilight: which source? |
| 08:39.14 | azeem | ah, you're talking to LinuxHelp |
| 08:39.24 | creature | lunitik: I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 08:39.58 | ktwilight | but i notice that there are a bunch of stuff that i can disable and enable, but found no where to learn what those directives are. that's why i didn't wanna go through compiling it. or...? |
| 08:40.03 | lunitik | azeem: LinuxHelp is a bot? |
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| 08:40.25 | LinuxHelp | ktwilight, it takes a few days yeah :) |
| 08:40.29 | azeem | lunitik: why do you think so? |
| 08:40.37 | war95 | LinuxHelp: I am off to work, bb in 18 hours |
| 08:40.44 | LinuxHelp | waittt |
| 08:40.49 | ktwilight | a few days?! |
| 08:40.57 | ktwilight | that's too much time that i can't afford...haha :P |
| 08:41.17 | Netcad | ./ara do-g016 | grep uid= | grep -v filter | cut -d = -f 2 | cut -d , -f 1 ; ./ara do-g016 | grep macaddress: | cut -d , -f 3 <--- this one gives me results on separate lines. what should I replace ; with in order to get the results on the same line? |
| 08:41.18 | LinuxHelp | war95. how did you ssh into my box? ssh XXX@prototypejack.selfip.net? |
| 08:41.31 | lunitik | ktwilight: Sid has 2.6.17 |
| 08:41.35 | ktwilight | but LinuxHelp, do you know of a good website that teaches me what the directives in the kernel source means? or are? |
| 08:41.50 | ktwilight | i know lunitik, that's why i also want to use sid's, but want to know the recommended way to do it |
| 08:41.53 | LinuxHelp | trial & error .com heh |
| 08:42.18 | lunitik | ktwilight: recommended way is to stick to your older kernel... |
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| 08:42.31 | ktwilight | ... |
| 08:42.40 | ktwilight | so i should suffer with random wireless issues? |
| 08:42.44 | ktwilight | thus hindering myself from working? |
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| 08:42.50 | section31 | how can i change my hostname permanently..when i do a `hostname new_hostname_here` and then i restart it doesn't stick |
| 08:42.50 | ktwilight | good suggestion lunitik :P |
| 08:43.38 | lunitik | ktwilight: I said recommended way... /msg dpkg pinning to see another method that might break your system |
| 08:44.00 | jelly-home | section31: edit /etc/hostname? |
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| 08:44.08 | ktwilight | thanks anywayz lunitik :) |
| 08:44.29 | lunitik | ktwilight: no seriously... /msg dpkg pinning |
| 08:44.33 | section31 | jelly-home, thx |
| 08:44.41 | ktwilight | seriously, yes, i took that advice ;) |
| 08:44.49 | LinuxHelp | Hi, my pc's address is prototypejack.selfip.net, if any1 can successfull connect on ssh (just so it prompts for username) I'd be much obliged. Please tell me how you do it |
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| 08:45.11 | lunitik | ktwilight: it'll let you use just some packages from sid... |
| 08:45.27 | LinuxHelp | war95 could do it, but now he has deserted me |
| 08:45.37 | ktwilight | perfect :) |
| 08:45.53 | LinuxHelp | nmap fails with (host down) |
| 08:46.24 | jelly-home | section31: also the entry for it in /etc/hosts to change the domain |
| 08:46.33 | section31 | jelly-home, did that already |
| 08:46.33 | section31 | thanks |
| 08:46.50 | section31 | its workign now |
| 08:46.52 | section31 | great |
| 08:46.54 | wireddd | LinuxHelp, are you sure your dns points to the correct ip? |
| 08:47.03 | LinuxHelp | This is one of the very few times that some1 will actually ASK for a dos attack :) |
| 08:47.20 | LinuxHelp | wireddd, why do you say that? |
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| 08:47.31 | LinuxHelp | I use ddclient, for dyn dns |
| 08:48.42 | wireddd | LinuxHelp, your ip address is 10.0.0.8? |
| 08:49.04 | LinuxHelp | wiredd, behind my router, yes |
| 08:49.13 | LinuxHelp | you shouldnt really see that... |
| 08:49.16 | creature | lunitik: That got it, thanks. It was the NVidia drivers not being installed in the right place. |
| 08:49.34 | wireddd | LinuxHelp, point prototypejack.selfip.net to your internet ip address |
| 08:49.58 | LinuxHelp | wireddd, it should be |
| 08:50.10 | wireddd | for me it resolves to 10.0.0.8 |
| 08:50.38 | LinuxHelp | me too, thats what's strange, war95's ping resolved to 10.0.0.8 and then displayed the router's ip as well |
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| 08:51.04 | LinuxHelp | what I want is my router's ip, because it is set up to forward ssh |
| 08:51.11 | Tallu | I set my dns client to work on router level :P |
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| 08:51.54 | LinuxHelp | I've tried traceroute, but its giving a lot of * * * * |
| 08:51.56 | wireddd | is ddclient running on your router? |
| 08:52.06 | LinuxHelp | wireddd, nope |
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| 08:52.22 | wireddd | thats probably your problem |
| 08:52.40 | edrin | what latex like program would you recommend ? |
| 08:52.49 | edrin | for debian |
| 08:52.56 | LinuxHelp | wireddd, the problem is that I cant login to my ssh to fix the problem |
| 08:53.17 | wireddd | well you need to figure out what the ip address is |
| 08:53.25 | LinuxHelp | wireddd, yup |
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| 08:55.47 | LinuxHelp | has any1 tried traceroute prototypejack.selfip.net ? |
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| 08:57.14 | wols | it's got a non-routable IP |
| 08:57.20 | Guerin | !any1 |
| 08:57.20 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 08:57.45 | wols | LinuxHelp: if it's yours, you screwed up in registering the IP for it |
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| 08:58.17 | Werdna | hey guys, is there an apt package for php5? |
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| 08:58.52 | wols | apt-cache search php5 |
| 08:59.07 | wols | edrin: get lyx I guess |
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| 08:59.20 | Werdna | no results. |
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| 09:00.08 | wols | then maybe it's not packaged for debian yet |
| 09:00.20 | Guerin | php5 has been in sid for ages |
| 09:00.31 | wols | which is no surprise if you run stable |
| 09:00.45 | wols | Werdna: try backports then |
| 09:00.51 | LinuxHelp | wols, strange... is it possible that the router just isnt connected? |
| 09:01.01 | Guerin | Werdna: then you don't wat to be running php5 |
| 09:01.11 | Werdna | Guerin, I need it for MediaWiki. |
| 09:01.11 | wols | LinuxHelp: are you on the intarweb or not? of course it's connected |
| 09:01.12 | wireddd | LinuxHelp, you are just going to have to actually go to the computer to fix it |
| 09:01.20 | wols | you just gave the wrong ip to selfip.netr |
| 09:01.37 | wols | or use the ip to connect if you know it |
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| 09:01.40 | Guerin | Werdna: you get to choose between running something else, and almost certainly breaking your system beyond repair |
| 09:01.55 | incorrect | hello, has anyone setup a steam server under debian before? |
| 09:01.58 | Guerin | Werdna: or running something other than sarge, which is more or less option 2 above |
| 09:02.00 | LinuxHelp | wols, I'm many kilometers away... is there any way to check whether its connected? |
| 09:02.12 | wireddd | LinuxHelp, not without the ip |
| 09:02.19 | wols | LinuxHelp: yes. use the IP. no other way |
| 09:02.20 | LinuxHelp | darn |
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| 09:02.46 | wols | isn't there anyone near that computer over there you can ask to do something? |
| 09:02.46 | wireddd | LinuxHelp, perhaps you could call someone and get them to figure out the ip for you? |
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| 09:03.16 | edrin | wols: it is available in testing and i am using testing. thanks. does it also check spelling? |
| 09:03.25 | Tallu | LinuxHelp: you need to get your own external ip? |
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| 09:04.07 | wols | no clue. it's a wordprocessor for latex, creating latex files |
| 09:04.12 | LinuxHelp | wols, no, lol |
| 09:04.13 | Tallu | LinuxHelp: wget -qO- http://marp.retrogames.com/cgi/myip.cgi |
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| 09:04.46 | wols | LinuxHelp: no one at all over there you could call? |
| 09:04.48 | LinuxHelp | strange thing is that I havent changed any settings |
| 09:04.55 | wireddd | Tallu, no, he has a remote system with dynamic dns that got set to the system ip address on its lan behind the router |
| 09:05.02 | LinuxHelp | and all of a sudden my dns screwed up |
| 09:05.24 | LinuxHelp | of course I did reboot my router last night... |
| 09:05.30 | Tallu | oh, not much you can do about it then |
| 09:05.39 | wols | LinuxHelp: do you have a cron script that tries to reconnect when the inet connection goes down for some reason? do you use pppd for connection? |
| 09:06.04 | edrin | wols: it is available in testing and i am using testing. thanks. does it also check spelling? |
| 09:06.05 | LinuxHelp | wols, nm, I rebooted the pc as well |
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| 09:06.57 | wols | a11:04 < wols> no clue. it's a wordprocessor for latex, creating latex files |
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| 09:10.15 | edrin | wols: can latex check spelling? |
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| 09:11.13 | wols | I don't think it's the goal for latex to do so. Latex wants to do typesetting, that's all |
| 09:11.19 | liviux | hi all |
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| 09:15.39 | lunitik | edrin: kile can do spell checking via kspell2 ... |
| 09:16.47 | edrin | lunitik: is this part of the lyx package? |
| 09:17.04 | lunitik | edrin: no... its basically lyx for kde |
| 09:17.33 | edrin | lunitik: sorry, what do you mean? |
| 09:17.54 | lunitik | edrin: aptitude show kile |
| 09:18.07 | edrin | what would you recommend me to do? i have to contribute to a text i just checked out with cvs... |
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| 09:18.39 | wols | edrin: install lyx. and do a "apt-cache show lyx" to see about your spellcheck question |
| 09:18.58 | wols | also doing a bit of research on your own if people have given you pointers into your subject never hurts |
| 09:20.53 | edrin | lunitik: why do you prefere kile instead of lyx? |
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| 09:21.24 | lunitik | edrin: I didn't say I did... I said you can do spellchecking via kile... and don't know about lyx |
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| 09:23.05 | Neovdr25 | Hello |
| 09:24.09 | udos | what debian package is the "replace" command found in? |
| 09:24.20 | Neovdr25 | I have install ftpd server and I was login in the box with no problems since recently. But out of the sudden now I can not login and I get 530 login failed |
| 09:24.45 | Neovdr25 | Any idea? |
| 09:25.21 | wols | udos: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=bin%2Freplace&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 09:25.35 | wols | Neovdr25: look in your logs |
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| 09:26.34 | Neovdr25 | What log can answer this? |
| 09:27.23 | wols | the one your ftpd uses |
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| 09:27.47 | wols | how should we know since we don't even know which one you use? |
| 09:27.48 | Neovdr25 | How can I found that? |
| 09:27.53 | wols | syswlog is usually a good place to start tho |
| 09:27.56 | udos | wols: uhm. "replace" is a basic unix text-manipulation utility. Why would it be found in misc/mysql-server-4.1 |
| 09:28.18 | wols | udos: cause mysql has a replace command too? I just searched for any "bin/replace" in debian stable |
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| 09:29.48 | wols | it most probably isn't. My guess your replace is just not as basic as you thought |
| 09:30.17 | udos | uh ... nope |
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| 09:30.36 | udos | "replace" is a text manipulation command |
| 09:30.37 | wols | there is no replace like you want in debian |
| 09:30.46 | wols | at least not under this name |
| 09:30.50 | udos | ah |
| 09:30.58 | udos | that's what I suspected |
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| 09:31.05 | wols | how about using sed instead? |
| 09:31.15 | udos | I will |
| 09:31.38 | udos | just can't understand why this unix has to omit a command that so manzy other suppoort |
| 09:31.48 | udos | oh well |
| 09:31.48 | wols | define "other" |
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| 09:31.53 | udos | several |
| 09:31.56 | udos | oh well |
| 09:33.42 | wols | Jussi: solaris is a unix, even when debian is not :) |
| 09:34.04 | wols | ah, now I understand why he wants one: windows has it |
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| 09:34.33 | RAMATACK | hi everybody |
| 09:34.37 | RAMATACK | I've got the next problem |
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| 09:34.58 | RAMATACK | I have a raid 0 over software made with 2 sata hardisks maxtor 200 gb on a promise sata raid (but not use this raid) controller. And have too in my system an IDE disk in wich swap and boot are. So in the raid 0 (md0) it's only /.when I shutdown the machine tells md0 device stopped. md0 device is too busy. md0 remounted read only why is happening this? |
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| 09:39.01 | udos | http://web.gat.com/docview/replace.html |
| 09:39.40 | Ex-Cyber | udos: AFAICT, "replace" was written for MySQL and just happens to be useful for other things |
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| 09:40.15 | Coweater | it's in the mysql package, get it if you want it |
| 09:40.17 | Neovdr25 | udos: I have install ftpd with apt-get install ftpd. What is the usual log file? |
| 09:41.22 | wols | Neovdr25: from the description of that package: |
| 09:41.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.31 | udos | Neovdr25: /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 09:41.43 | wols | while I certainly wouldn't recommend wu-ftpd, I'd say vsftpd can't be wrong |
| 09:41.48 | wols | !vsftpd |
| 09:41.48 | dpkg | well, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 09:41.52 | jelly-home | wtf? that replace thingy is a 1.2MB binary: "-rwxr-xr-x 1 ro-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1253468 Jun 3 18:15 /usr/bin/replace"ot root 1253468 Jun 3 18:15 /usr/bin/replace |
| 09:41.59 | wols | and look into your syslog as I already said |
| 09:42.24 | jelly-home | yuk, a paste gone bad |
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| 09:43.32 | Ex-Cyber | jelly-home: statically linked maybe? heh |
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| 09:44.16 | Neovdr25 | I installing proftpd and I got a question how to run: inetd or standalone? |
| 09:44.48 | wols | whatever you want |
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| 09:45.11 | wols | for a high volume site, standalone tho |
| 09:45.14 | jelly-home | Ex-Cyber: probably, lots of binaries in mysql-server package are like that. |
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| 09:46.01 | wookienz | hi, i have just installed mysql and asp on a deb box. When i try and load a aspx file however i get the code in the file not he outputted form. any help? |
| 09:46.16 | wols | your apache is wrongly configured |
| 09:46.25 | peterS | wookienz: time to read some docs about associating filenames with mime types |
| 09:46.33 | peterS | and associating mime types with handlers |
| 09:46.35 | wols | doesn't recognize .aspx as an ASP file |
| 09:46.42 | Neovdr25 | I got this when it got started: Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'Mythtv.Mythtv' error: Name or service not known |
| 09:47.26 | peterS | Neovdr25: sounds like you've given your box the name 'Mythtv' with domain 'Mythtv', but did not add an entry to /etc/hosts for this |
| 09:47.31 | wols | your DNS/hostname is ´not correctly configured |
| 09:47.46 | peterS | Neovdr25: that, or it's just a harmless warning about IPv6 support |
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| 09:48.14 | Neovdr25 | I have mythtv running on the machine |
| 09:48.21 | peterS | yes, we guessed that much |
| 09:48.28 | fireba11_grr | hi .. i got a virtual server running debian, it gets a dynamic share of physical ram, min 256 mb and max 512 mb ...no i get out-of-memory errors regulary and it seems no swap is used ... free shows a lot more ram then my virtual server can access so i guess there si the problem .. anyone got any ideas how to improve that ? |
| 09:48.39 | peterS | it's an obvious conclusion from the evidence of having a computer named 'Mythtv' |
| 09:49.40 | Neovdr25 | Well ftp server is working. Thanks guys |
| 09:52.28 | wookienz | wols, do i need a Load Module in apache to recognise the asp file? |
| 09:53.03 | wols | no. peterS already said what you need to do |
| 09:53.36 | wols | the asp package should have loaded the module already |
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| 09:54.11 | wols | cd /etc/apache;grep -r -i asp * |
| 09:54.23 | wols | or apache2 of course if you run that |
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| 09:55.28 | weissi | fireba11_grr, add swap (in the case you can't manage your partitions: use a swap file) |
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| 09:56.05 | fireba11_grr | weissi: i already got a swap but it seems it's not used at all |
| 09:56.34 | weissi | fireba11_grr, did you make mkswap and swapon -a ??? does `free` show your swap space? |
| 09:57.32 | fireba11_grr | free shows a lot of swap space |
| 09:58.22 | wookienz | wols, nothing in that dir with asp in it. any thoughts where i can begin to read the docs onhowto associate the files? |
| 09:58.24 | fireba11_grr | problem is swap entry seems to be like ram entry .. total for the box not only my virtual server |
| 09:58.59 | weissi | fireba11_grr, what? what's the device of your swap? |
| 10:00.08 | fireba11_grr | df -hT shows 3 GB of temp space .. unused |
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| 10:01.57 | weissi | fireba11_grr, what does `cat /etc/fstab | grep swap`show? |
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| 10:02.22 | fireba11_grr | nothing |
| 10:03.07 | fireba11_grr | wtf |
| 10:03.08 | wols | wireddd: in the doc file for whatever asp packages you installed and/or the apache docs |
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| 10:03.31 | wols | wookienz: I meant |
| 10:03.32 | weissi | fireba11_grr, and `cat /proc/swaps`? |
| 10:04.10 | fireba11_grr | weissi no such fle or directory ^^ |
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| 10:04.35 | weissi | fireba11_grr, but you're using linux, no *ggg* |
| 10:04.36 | fireba11_grr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.37 | wols | and free shows a line like "Swap: 0 0 0" ? |
| 10:04.43 | weissi | fireba11_grr, swapon -s ? |
| 10:04.47 | fireba11_grr | weissi: it's a virtual server pre-set up with debian |
| 10:05.55 | TARZEAU | running a computer with a broken non-moving fan in the power supply makes the computer 20 degrees celsius hotter: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/re.temp.png |
| 10:05.55 | fireba11_grr | still no such file or directory |
| 10:06.04 | weissi | wols, fireba11_grr said that free show up a lot of free swap space ?!?? (<quote>free shows a lot of swap space</quote>) |
| 10:06.10 | weissi | fireba11_grr, ?!??? |
| 10:06.25 | TARZEAU | does someone run computers without cpu fan? |
| 10:06.29 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: could be... my firewall has broken all of its fans, and its still going strong (albiet hot) |
| 10:06.41 | azeem | same for my notebook for a while |
| 10:06.55 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: can you measure temperature using hdparm/smartctl -A dev and mbmon -c1 ? |
| 10:06.55 | fireba11_grr | weissi: i think memory and also swap is managed by the virtualization -.... |
| 10:06.57 | azeem | acpi -t returning 91 degrees celsius makes you reconsider |
| 10:07.06 | TARZEAU | azeem: that hot? |
| 10:07.15 | weissi | fireba11_grr, and `free | grep Swap` really shows anything else than ... 0 0 0 0 ?? |
| 10:07.15 | TARZEAU | azeem: and what says the harddisks? |
| 10:07.19 | azeem | TARZEAU: well, when I compiled stuff |
| 10:07.24 | TARZEAU | s,hdparm,hddtemp, |
| 10:07.27 | azeem | and didn't put it outside (in winter) |
| 10:07.32 | azeem | TARZEAU: dunno, didn't check |
| 10:07.38 | azeem | but the harddisk still works in my current laptopt |
| 10:07.48 | azeem | TARZEAU: btw, why the nickchange? |
| 10:07.55 | wols | TARZEAU: I do. sometimes. but can't compile a kernel then :) k6-3 450 and a 486-133 before that |
| 10:07.58 | weissi | fireba11_grr, ok, I thought that it would be a normal linux kernel, but if it's true what you say, I think I can't help, sorry... |
| 10:08.08 | TARZEAU | azeem: it was done for fun, and i still haven't bothered to undo since it doesn't annoy anyone |
| 10:08.09 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: dunno; let me see if it shows anything |
| 10:08.24 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: mbmon is cool since it doesn't need any kernel stuff like sensors of lmsensors |
| 10:08.50 | wols | I run without a fan in the PSU forever now. and don't notice any hotter case. the PSU is noticeable hotter tho |
| 10:08.50 | TARZEAU | wols: yeah the k6 ones crash when they get too hot |
| 10:08.54 | jelly-home | TARZEAU: yeah, it just pokes io ports without any regard for the OS. :-| |
| 10:09.05 | TARZEAU | jelly-home: yeah very cool :) |
| 10:09.12 | TARZEAU | jelly-home: but still isn't ported on gnu/kfreebsd |
| 10:09.15 | jelly-home | TARZEAU: very DOS. ;-) |
| 10:09.16 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: it's unlikely that it is new enough to have support for that; and yes, this machine does crash occasionally... |
| 10:09.27 | TARZEAU | jelly-home: drivers don't do different |
| 10:09.50 | wols | jelly-home: windows temp monitor programs do the same btw :) |
| 10:09.54 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: ah funny story to this one: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/thot.temp.png |
| 10:10.04 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: see how it got colder 5-10 degrees? |
| 10:10.13 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: it used to crash, the side-wall is removed now |
| 10:10.25 | TARZEAU | the room is in direct sunlight without a/c |
| 10:10.38 | jelly-home | wols: omg. what happened to "here, have this driver do that for me?" |
| 10:10.41 | fireba11_grr | weissi hm .. okay .. it's just that i regularly get errors due to too few ram available and the box isn't running that much stuff .... |
| 10:10.44 | wols | how often do you need new harddisks for that machine? |
| 10:10.55 | TARZEAU | wols: re? never i only changed the psu |
| 10:11.04 | wols | jelly-home: they all come with an inbuilt driver for io ports |
| 10:11.12 | TARZEAU | wols: we change hds like 1-2/month (150 clients, some with multiple disks) |
| 10:11.20 | wols | TARZEAU: 40°C is the upper limit I tolerate on hdds |
| 10:11.21 | TARZEAU | wols: but sometimes none for 3 months |
| 10:11.26 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: heh. this box I pulled out of a trash can... so the harddrive (and the motherboard) don't appear to support temperature reporting |
| 10:11.26 | TARZEAU | wols: 50 it is for me |
| 10:11.43 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: hehe, pity :) use a real thermometer |
| 10:12.07 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: the outside of the case is definetly at around 45-50C |
| 10:12.20 | dondelelcaro | so the CPU is probably pushing 60-70 |
| 10:12.35 | weissi | fireba11_grr, hmm, if the ram size changes, and that's the problem, you could boot with mem=GUARANTEED-RAM-SIZE, e.g. linux mem=256M |
| 10:12.35 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: 70 is normal |
| 10:12.49 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: some chips used for "bohrungen" get way hoter, way above 100-120 |
| 10:12.57 | weissi | fireba11_grr, then linux thinks you only have 256M |
| 10:12.57 | TARZEAU | dondelelcaro: and they run for like 3 weeks and then get exchanged |
| 10:13.41 | dondelelcaro | TARZEAU: yeah, could be... |
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| 10:19.21 | simmerz | I can't get trac working. using subversion and php5 from backports, and trac from debian.org has missing libs |
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| 10:22.43 | fireba11_grr | weissi: seems i can't .. /boot is emtpy *lol* |
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| 10:24.07 | fireba11_grr | am starting to wonder what they used für virtualization ^^ |
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| 10:24.49 | Arbiter | uhm... does the kernel shipped with kernel-image contain the ndiswrapper module? |
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| 10:25.07 | fireba11_grr | weissi: they are using virtuozzo .. |
| 10:25.28 | wols | fireba11_grr: if you had your own kernel, you could screw the whole virtual server up |
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| 10:25.37 | wols | that's why the kernel file must be located outside |
| 10:25.53 | fireba11_grr | wols: yeah, probably |
| 10:25.53 | weissi | fireba11_grr, argh, wtf, ask the support team :-) |
| 10:25.57 | Arbiter | (i need to know if i need to compile it from source or not, i'm on a wireless network) |
| 10:26.20 | wols | Arbiter: apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 10:26.33 | lunitik | Anyone knows how to change your ip that is sent via /whois ? How would I go about doing that? |
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| 10:26.50 | Arbiter | wols, there are some precompiled modules but are for 2.8 kernel series |
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| 10:27.13 | wols | lunitik: you can't. all you can do is get a cloak. or use a proxy |
| 10:27.16 | peterS | whoa, 2.8 kernel series. heavy. |
| 10:27.26 | Arbiter | some distributions ships ndiswrapper module precompiled in kernel image (ubuntu for example) |
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| 10:27.29 | wols | Arbiter: there is no 2.8 kernel. and if you use a debian kernel there are ndiswrapper modules |
| 10:27.40 | wols | except for testing,etc |
| 10:27.48 | lunitik | wols: how would I go about cloaking? |
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| 10:28.08 | wols | lunitik: ask a freenode oper |
| 10:28.49 | Arbiter | ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:28.57 | Arbiter | they're a little bit outdated :P |
| 10:29.02 | Arbiter | i use testing or unstable :p |
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| 10:30.05 | wols | Arbiter: then you should be able to know how to get out of this spot yourself |
| 10:30.17 | Arbiter | wols, the problem is: i'm about to make a new, fresh installation (using network installation cd)... after the installation i must have ndiswrapper module, otherwise i couldn't connect to the network |
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| 10:31.16 | Arbiter | i only need to know if I need ndiswrapper-source or not (ubuntu and many other distributions ships a precompiled module in their kernel-image so, compiling module from source it's not needed) |
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| 10:32.55 | wols | Arbiter: that's what you always install stable and then upgrade to whatever you want |
| 10:33.16 | Arbiter | but i want to install testing directly :p |
| 10:33.44 | wols | tought luck. TARZEAU (or was it abrotman?) wants a pony. Does he get one? No |
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| 10:34.03 | Arbiter | :P |
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| 10:36.07 | Hotwire | hey, if i'm doing a hard drive install, where the iso is stored on another partition, currently my /home, do i need to tell the installer to mount this as the /home partition or wait until after intsall to use it |
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| 10:38.52 | wols | depends on the installer I'd say |
| 10:39.18 | Hotwire | the sarge hard drive installer |
| 10:39.19 | wols | where do you get your base system from? |
| 10:39.41 | Hotwire | currently i'm running suse |
| 10:39.48 | Hotwire | but i want to use deb |
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| 10:40.06 | Hotwire | so i got teh kernel + ram disk from teh hard drive install section of teh mirror |
| 10:40.19 | Hotwire | s/teh/the; |
| 10:40.29 | Hotwire | and the 1st cd iso |
| 10:40.34 | liable | Hotwire: just add the images to grub, and boot from it |
| 10:41.05 | liable | Hotwire: i dunno about the iso bit, never used that, but installing from the install kernel is easy |
| 10:41.06 | wols | grub can boot from ISOs? neato |
| 10:41.24 | Hotwire | liable: yeah i know that bit, i'm just worried about the installer trying to mount the /home partition when its alrerady mouint to read the iso off it |
| 10:41.40 | Hotwire | wols: no it cant, you boot a kernel, which then boots the iso |
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| 10:41.43 | liable | wols: no, you can have the install kernel, and i *think* you can also point it to an iso |
| 10:42.17 | liable | Hotwire: why not put the iso in /boot? |
| 10:42.36 | Hotwire | beacuse i want to reformat my / partititon |
| 10:42.41 | yang | I have Geforce4 440 MX graphical card, I think it has S-video inside, and Is capable of TV encoding...I am wondering if it would be capable of receiving TV signal, but there is no antenna cable, so how do I bring the signal inside? |
| 10:42.58 | liable | Hotwire: put it in swap? |
| 10:43.12 | liable | hrm, dunno how that would go.. |
| 10:43.23 | liable | Hotwire: why not just net install? |
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| 10:43.27 | Hotwire | doesn't swap get empited when you turn the pc off |
| 10:43.58 | Hotwire | liable: beacuse i have a crappy network that requires you to login via a webpage before using it |
| 10:43.59 | liable | Hotwire: you could change fstab temporarily |
| 10:44.47 | Hotwire | i shouldn't need to |
| 10:45.03 | Hotwire | i'm just worried i'm going to fuck it up like i did last night |
| 10:46.04 | liable | Hotwire: and you cant burn a cd? do you really need to make life hard for yourself? |
| 10:46.52 | weissi | yang: no, graphic cards usually do not have a tv decoder. To receive tv signal, you need a antenna cable jack |
| 10:47.05 | weissi | yang: s/tv decoder/tv tuner/ |
| 10:47.18 | Hotwire | liable: i would if i had a cd rw drive |
| 10:47.36 | Hotwire | i'm not trying to make my life hard, i'm just in a crappy situation |
| 10:47.58 | liable | Hotwire: you tred it with the iso in /home and it baulked? |
| 10:48.02 | yang | weissi: so, i need a separate TV-tuner card with analog antenna plug? |
| 10:48.30 | weissi | yang, yes, with analog or digiat plug, something like a Hauppauge WinTV or so |
| 10:48.45 | Hotwire | well no exactly, basically i forgot i was doing a hard drive intsall and tried to reformat the partition with the iso on, which didn't work |
| 10:48.51 | yang | weissi: what is that S-video plugin used for on my nvidia card then? |
| 10:48.57 | Hotwire | so then i tried formatting the whole disk |
| 10:49.08 | Hotwire | which then removed the kernel i needed to boot to the iso |
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| 10:49.17 | weissi | yang: PC --> tv and not tv-signal --> pc |
| 10:49.34 | weissi | yang: with s-video you can watch films(from your hdd) on your tv |
| 10:49.46 | yang | ok |
| 10:49.50 | liable | Hotwire: is /home on a seperate partition? |
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| 10:50.00 | Hotwire | liable: yes |
| 10:50.15 | liable | Hotwire: so whats the problem keeping that? |
| 10:50.46 | liable | Hotwire: once the install kernel is booted, you can delete /boot, its in memory |
| 10:50.54 | easytiger | i have a debian nfs server... it runs really really fast, but when i copy files they stall every so often.. any ideas? |
| 10:50.56 | Hotwire | that is the plan, i just fucked it all up last night |
| 10:51.24 | weissi | yang: if you buy one, check first which of them are supported by linux (and please, don't buy a usb 1.1 card *g*) |
| 10:51.44 | yang | weissi: I also have a Multimedia controller: Sigma Designs, Inc. REALmagic Hollywood Plus DVD Decoder (rev 02) , do you think this one is capable of receiving TV-in ? It has sort of a plug behind |
| 10:51.46 | liable | Hotwire: so, dont fuck it up this time.. :P |
| 10:52.31 | Hotwire | liable: i think part of the problem was telling the intsaller to mount my /home as /home beacuse it was already mounted to get the iso off it |
| 10:53.04 | liable | Hotwire: thats cool, you can always include /home from / and then change it after install |
| 10:53.21 | Hotwire | thats what i plan todo this time |
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| 10:53.26 | weissi | yang, no it isn't |
| 10:53.41 | opensores | What is this that keeps flooding my kern.log: Jul 10 10:39:13 localhost kernel: Badness in local_bh_enable at kernel/softirq.c:140 |
| 10:54.00 | yang | weissi: do you know where is a list of cards supported in linux, i looked around but couldn't find any... |
| 10:54.17 | liable | opensores: this is a debian kernel? |
| 10:54.19 | simmerz | im trying to install python2.3-subversion from testing on sarge, and it is telling me it wants to remove base-config and initrd-tools! |
| 10:54.56 | liable | simmerz: you are in for a world of pain mixing testing with sarge |
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| 10:55.13 | liable | simmerz: at least backport it |
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| 10:55.24 | yang | weissi: I am thinking of buying a Leadtek winfast TV2000 XP |
| 10:55.27 | liable | !tell simmerz about simple sid backport |
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| 10:55.39 | opensores | i use debian yes, liable |
| 10:55.46 | liable | huh? |
| 10:56.03 | opensores | huh what? |
| 10:56.17 | liable | when did i ask whether you used debian? |
| 10:56.24 | opensores | 2 minutes ago |
| 10:56.26 | weissi | yang: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/* |
| 10:57.07 | liable | opensores: ah, no, i asked if it was a debian kernel, as opposed to a compiled one. |
| 10:57.16 | weissi | yang: or in the net somewhere google for "card name" linux |
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| 10:57.34 | opensores | well.. it was the debian kernel but it's been recompiled since then |
| 10:58.03 | liable | from debian sources? |
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| 10:58.20 | liable | or vanilla? |
| 10:58.29 | simmerz | liable: I know that. I'm using subversion and therefore libsvn0 from backports, but i can't get trac working as they've been built differently |
| 10:58.37 | opensores | well, the drivers i needed for my wireless network card needed to recompile my kernel |
| 10:58.51 | opensores | also, i've installed alsa from source |
| 10:58.55 | simmerz | libsvn0 on backports doesn't seem to have /usr/lib/libsvn_swig_py-1.so.0 |
| 10:59.05 | opensores | that needed some tinckering with my kernel iirc |
| 10:59.13 | ChrisW | hmmm, I did a "shutdown -P now" and it looks like the USB-attached external hard drive may have wiped itself clean in the process... is that to be expected? |
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| 10:59.45 | ChrisW | it's ext3 formatted, and I use it for backups... I didn't need the backups this time, but obviously, I'm a little disturbed... |
| 11:00.52 | Gnea | ChrisW: i've had nothing but problems with usb-attached hard drives. there's some sort of method to unmount and desync before unloading the modules. |
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| 11:01.00 | liable | ChrisW: no, that is not to be expected.. |
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| 11:01.14 | JoyFM | hi |
| 11:01.18 | ChrisW | liable: well, that's what I thought :-/ |
| 11:01.38 | JoyFM | does anybody know what the floppy boot disks do to get the inet connection from another pc |
| 11:01.46 | JoyFM | (because it worked realy great) |
| 11:01.46 | ChrisW | Gnea: any idea what that method is and how I can hook it in to ensure it happens on machine shutdown? |
| 11:01.49 | Gnea | problem is, i think, that modules stay loaded, and some devices don't get a chance to settle before unmounting |
| 11:02.02 | Gnea | ChrisW: no, i never got a chance to look too deeply into it |
| 11:02.09 | ChrisW | :-( |
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| 11:02.30 | ChrisW | I haven't had problems when I do "umount /mnt/backup" before unplugging it |
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| 11:02.37 | Gnea | i've pretty much sworn off usb hd's until i get the chance to muck with them again, which i hope to be never |
| 11:02.46 | ChrisW | *shrugs* |
| 11:02.54 | Gnea | right, that's commandline tho |
| 11:03.12 | JoyFM | or does anybody know some general things about ip forwarding/ internet connection sharing ? |
| 11:03.29 | ChrisW | any other ideas how to backup 180GB of data in a way that I can grab & run if ther's a fire/flood/etc? |
| 11:03.31 | Gnea | if it's still mounted and attached when doing a shutdown/reboot, the error occurs there because the system has its own path to do things |
| 11:04.10 | ChrisW | okay, but why on earth should that blank the disk? |
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| 11:04.11 | ChrisW | I mean, I thought ext3 was supposed to be resilient?! |
| 11:04.12 | Shadur | ChrisW: The word you're looking for is off-site. |
| 11:04.14 | Gnea | ChrisW: that's the big question |
| 11:04.22 | Hotwire | JoyFM: there special distros designed for acting as gateways routers + firewalls |
| 11:04.34 | ChrisW | Shadur: yeah, I also rotate these disks so I have one offsite, one onsite |
| 11:04.48 | Gnea | ChrisW: offsite backups are pretty efficient, particularly with rsync+ssh |
| 11:05.00 | ChrisW | JoyFM: shorewall worked really well for me :-) |
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| 11:05.26 | JoyFM | Hotwire, yes but my pc works as a gateway (because of ipmasq -> out of the box) |
| 11:05.28 | ChrisW | Gnea: well, yeah, I actually suck all my server data down to the disk for expressly that purpose |
| 11:05.38 | JoyFM | but the problem is how do configure the client? |
| 11:05.42 | wols | JoyFM: IP masquerading howto, lartc.org perhaps. They all simply call iptables with the proper parameters |
| 11:05.57 | wols | JoyFM: static IPs or DHCP? |
| 11:06.02 | JoyFM | static |
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| 11:06.08 | JoyFM | ip is still working |
| 11:06.16 | wols | so what isn't working? |
| 11:06.16 | Gnea | ChrisW: therein lies the weak link in your backup system |
| 11:06.24 | JoyFM | wols, internet on the client |
| 11:06.45 | ChrisW | Gnea: what? debian doing a shocking job of managign USB-attached storage devices? |
| 11:06.51 | zzxx | Hi! Is there any official/ unofficial netinst (or full) iso image for debian testing for amd64? |
| 11:06.54 | wols | set the default gateway to the router's IP. and set the DNS entry correctly |
| 11:06.57 | ChrisW | that's not exactly something I'd expect :-( |
| 11:07.07 | Hotwire | JoyFM: have you set its IP to the internal ip of your network |
| 11:07.13 | Gnea | ChrisW: no, the fact that you're copying the files to the usb drive, then rsyncing the files from the usb drive to an offsite location |
| 11:07.15 | zzxx | If yes, where from can i download it? This apt-get dist-upgrade doesn' t work (for me) correctly. |
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| 11:07.32 | ChrisW | Gnea: well, that's no actually what I said I did ;-) |
| 11:07.34 | tungsten | http://www.scschools.org/jobs/jobs.htm |
| 11:07.44 | ChrisW | I backup my remote servers to this local server with the usb-attached disk |
| 11:07.52 | Gnea | ChrisW: that's how i interpretted it ;) |
| 11:08.28 | JoyFM | <Hotwire> JoyFM: have you set its IP to the internal ip of your network <- ?!? |
| 11:08.43 | Gnea | backups get pretty hairy when it goes over several gig |
| 11:08.46 | wols | JoyFM: what is the internal IP of your router? |
| 11:08.53 | JoyFM | 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:08.54 | ChrisW | no shit ;-) |
| 11:09.06 | Gnea | ChrisW: at that point you might as well have a SAN and some sort of tape backup system |
| 11:09.14 | wols | JoyFM: so set the client to IP 192.168.0.2 and set its default gateway to 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:09.15 | ChrisW | I guess the safest thing is just to put a mount in at the start of my backup run and an unmount in at the end? |
| 11:09.23 | Shadur | tungsten: I note that none of those job offers are even remotely debian-related. Heck, most of them won't even see a computer except to email. So why did you spam that URL here? |
| 11:09.27 | Gnea | ChrisW: yes. |
| 11:09.40 | superlinux | Gnea, hello |
| 11:09.40 | JoyFM | wols, that is what i've done |
| 11:09.45 | Gnea | ChrisW: have the script perform some sanity checks too :) |
| 11:09.47 | ChrisW | and yeah, SAN's are cute, but I cant' afford one ;-) |
| 11:09.49 | wols | JoyFM: and what is the DNS set to? |
| 11:09.49 | Gnea | superlinux: good morning |
| 11:10.06 | JoyFM | i think 192.168.0.1 too |
| 11:10.09 | superlinux | I found a thing in the samba pkag |
| 11:10.18 | ChrisW | CERN's what pretty cool: 5 or 6 Petabyte disk, with much more tape... |
| 11:10.19 | Gnea | huh? |
| 11:10.24 | wols | JoyFM: does your router run a caching DNS proxy? |
| 11:10.51 | wols | if not: apt-get install dnsmasq |
| 11:11.03 | JoyFM | wols, no |
| 11:11.08 | simmerz | how stable is testing at the moment? |
| 11:11.21 | Gnea | simmerz: it's not |
| 11:11.26 | wols | and never will be |
| 11:11.33 | Gnea | until it becomes the new stable |
| 11:11.46 | simmerz | Gnea: it gets more and more stable as time goes on though. |
| 11:11.47 | wols | testing will always be testing :P |
| 11:11.50 | superlinux | the backend as tdbsam default is /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb and it's now writable |
| 11:12.00 | ChrisW | Gnea: CERN's SAN...rather large :-) |
| 11:12.00 | superlinux | it must be writable |
| 11:12.08 | Gnea | simmerz: but it won't be truely stable until it has passed through the frozen stage and emerged as an official stable release. |
| 11:12.09 | JoyFM | wols, dnsmasq is already installed |
| 11:12.50 | wols | JoyFM: can you ping 72.14.207.99 from the client? |
| 11:14.00 | roxy_ | My workstation is using testing. Our production server is using stable. I want to install postgres from stable on my workstation to have the same version that we'll use on the server. What is the best way to do it ? |
| 11:14.18 | JoyFM | wols, network is unreachable |
| 11:14.44 | wols | JoyFM: what client OS do you run? |
| 11:15.06 | JoyFM | ubuntu hoary |
| 11:15.26 | wols | then paste the output of ifconfig somewhere |
| 11:15.37 | lunitik | JoyFM: you're running hoary? /j #ubuntu |
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| 11:16.01 | wols | lunitik: for a client to a debian box doing router duties |
| 11:16.16 | lunitik | wols: oh |
| 11:16.32 | wols | JoyFM: but from the looks of it you haven't configured your ubuntu right. in which case it would actually be a ubuntu issue |
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| 11:16.56 | roxy_ | is it worth using apt pinning just for 1 package ? will dpkg -i postgresql7.deb download all the necessary package ? |
| 11:17.02 | ChrisW | oh, I see what happened :-( |
| 11:17.13 | JoyFM | wols, i've get it working |
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| 11:17.26 | lunitik | roxy_: dpkg doesn't do dependency handling |
| 11:17.30 | JoyFM | there was a wrong netmask for the gateway |
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| 11:17.47 | JoyFM | (255.255.255.0 -> i've changed that to 0.0.0.0) |
| 11:17.59 | roxy_ | lunitik: so do I have to using pinning to install a stable package on testing ? |
| 11:18.55 | lunitik | roxy_: really shouldn't matter what version of postgres is on either box... but sure, you can use pinning probably... might not work though due to libc version |
| 11:18.56 | roxy_ | s/using/use |
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| 11:20.09 | lunitik | roxy_: in that case you'd need to compile postgres from sarge using etch... just apt-get -b source pkg |
| 11:20.39 | lunitik | (if libc6 is too recent for postgres in stable) |
| 11:21.25 | roxy_ | lunitik: thanks |
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| 11:26.55 | dhill | hello all, I just spent some 2h on searching on the net and I found no-one claiming to have a horizontal scrollwheel (tilt) working. Is there anybody here having it working? |
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| 11:28.10 | dhill | it used to be easy with "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7", but since, I don't know a month maybe, it's no more like this. |
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| 11:29.33 | dhill | should that mean that there is nobody or everybody is sleeping? |
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| 11:31.39 | peterS | dhill: I don't have such hardware, but I do have a suggestion: try the evdev mouse driver rather than the standard one |
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| 11:32.28 | phaedrus44 | ello...any way i can extract an iso into a directory on my hd? |
| 11:32.28 | dhill | i've seen something like this. |
| 11:32.41 | dhill | but what would be the sense to disable this... |
| 11:33.07 | ChrisW | dammit, pastebin.com appears to haev croacked :-/ |
| 11:33.12 | ChrisW | anyone recommend another? |
| 11:33.20 | peterS | !paster |
| 11:33.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:33.39 | easytiger | when i run azureus (in cli mode) on debian as root it runs fine. but as a normal user it just hangs there. any ideas? |
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| 11:34.19 | ChrisW | Anything look out of the ordinary in these syslog entries after I plug in an external usb hard disk: http://pastebin.ca/83997 ? |
| 11:34.58 | ChrisW | doesn't seem to give me a device id that I can mount :-S |
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| 11:37.14 | Shadur | ChrisW: Try loading the SCSI disk modules... I think that's sd |
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| 11:37.35 | peterS | sd_mod, actually |
| 11:37.37 | ChrisW | Sadly, when I try and mount it in it's usual location and with its usual device id, I get: http://pastebin.ca/84000 |
| 11:38.15 | ChrisW | Shadur/peterS: well, this worked before I restarted the machine yesterday... I think the modules are there already... how can I check? |
| 11:38.19 | peterS | ChrisW: anything mountable should show up in /proc/partitions assuming the sd_mod module is loaded |
| 11:38.24 | peterS | ChrisW: 'lsmod' to check for loaded modules |
| 11:38.29 | my007ms | hello i have i need to make user can use one file that have command make |
| 11:38.32 | Shadur | ChrisW: what kernel is this? |
| 11:38.33 | my007ms | ls /root |
| 11:38.45 | my007ms | so i give the scrip 6777 |
| 11:38.49 | ChrisW | peterS: scsi_mod is ther... |
| 11:38.54 | my007ms | but the user still can not use this ine |
| 11:38.58 | my007ms | but the user still can not use this one |
| 11:38.59 | peterS | ChrisW: right, sd_mod is not scsi_mod, though it uses it |
| 11:39.01 | ChrisW | Shadur: urm, whatever the livecd installs... |
| 11:39.07 | Shadur | ChrisW: uname -r |
| 11:39.19 | my007ms | i try to send SUID to the scrip but it's not work |
| 11:39.20 | ChrisW | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 11:39.24 | Shadur | my007ms: 6777 is a HIDEOUSLY UNSAFE PERMISSION SET. |
| 11:39.36 | Shadur | my007ms: Also, the setuid bit doesn't work like that. |
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| 11:40.03 | my007ms | Shadur, do if there script have some command like this one ls /root |
| 11:40.03 | shaibn | hi :) my one of my disks failed on a raid1 array. this is the 2nd time this happend on that same target device. my kernel reports errors but I don't know how to read them since they are very technical http://pastebin.com/744528 ; can someone help me understand how I can tell if this is a controller or hdd error? |
| 11:40.08 | ChrisW | peterS: sorry, sd_mod is ther too, as is usb-storage... to reiterate, this all worked prior to a machine reboot yesterday :-/ |
| 11:40.21 | my007ms | Shadur, i don't need to use sudoer |
| 11:40.22 | peterS | ChrisW: ok so does the partition you are expecting show up in /proc/partitions? |
| 11:40.35 | my007ms | Shadur, so how suid work |
| 11:41.00 | ChrisW | peterS: urgh, cat'ing /proc/partitions shows me a lot of stuff I don't understand |
| 11:41.09 | peterS | ChrisW: oh, the I/O errors you get in the second paste don't look good at all. something's wrong with your USB drive, or with the kernel driver, take your pick |
| 11:41.28 | ChrisW | peterS: yeah, that's what I was afraid of :-/ |
| 11:41.34 | Shadur | my007ms: the setuid bit only means that the program is allowed to make the setuid() system call. Unless said program actually uses the setuid() syscall, it won't do jack shit. |
| 11:41.42 | azeem | dpkg: no, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 11:41.43 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
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| 11:42.23 | peterS | Shadur: what are you smoking? that is not how setuid works at all |
| 11:42.27 | Shadur | my007ms: Given your evident piss-poor grasp of unix security and permission sets, I recommend you stick to sudo. |
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| 11:42.59 | Shadur | peterS: It isn't? It was my understanding that it was... |
| 11:43.21 | peterS | Shadur: nope. the setuid bit directly influences the effective UID of the process that runs a binary |
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| 11:43.37 | ChrisW | peterS: hmmm, well, this disk worked fine until yesterday when I powered down the machine... sadly, this machine runs headless, so I couldn't be sure it was really "down"... |
| 11:43.54 | peterS | Shadur: if it's setuid to root, _then_ the process gets to run as root, _and_ since only root is allowed to use setuid(), a side effect is that the process is allowed to use setuid() |
| 11:44.05 | ChrisW | given this setup has worked fine for a good few months now, Im doubting a kernel problem |
| 11:44.09 | peterS | ChrisW: try the disk in another machine, maybe it's the USB motherboard interface or something |
| 11:44.11 | ChrisW | so, where do I got from here? |
| 11:44.27 | ChrisW | hmmm, I dunno what happens if I plug an ext3-formatted diskinto a windows box... |
| 11:44.33 | ChrisW | not a lot I'm guessing? |
| 11:44.44 | peterS | ChrisW: at least winxp Disk Administrator will show you the partition layout |
| 11:45.00 | Tallu | ChrisW: well you could boot the machine with knoppix too, the windows machine that is |
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| 11:45.10 | peterS | or WinNT4 / Win2000 Disk Administrator. Win98 didn't have such a thing |
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| 11:45.23 | ChrisW | okay, I'll try whacking it in this machine... |
| 11:45.31 | Shadur | peterS: Aha. But can it run as root without making the setuid call? IE, if some moron were to mark rm with the setuid bit, would they be able to delete files they shouldn't? |
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| 11:45.56 | peterS | Shadur: yes, if the moron who wants to mark rm with setuid is already root when he wants to do that |
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| 11:46.26 | peterS | Shadur: if you aren't root, you can't mark something setuid-root, for obvious reasons. you could still mark it as setuid-Shadur and then everyone would be allowed to remove stuff from directories owned by Shadur |
| 11:46.37 | Shadur | peterS: No, I mean if I setuid rm while I'm root, then log into my regular user joe, and as joe, try to rm /etc/passwd ? |
| 11:46.51 | peterS | Shadur: it'll work |
| 11:46.56 | peterS | try it (: |
| 11:46.57 | wols | and it's a very bad idea |
| 11:47.00 | Shadur | No thanks. |
| 11:47.13 | Shadur | Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 11:47.14 | czekista | hi. i was told that debian package with mldonkey has removed kaza support. Is it possible to bring it back or do i have to compile from sourdces? are there any repositories with mldonkey+fasttrack? |
| 11:47.14 | peterS | oh you don't have to remove /etc/passwd, create some other file as root then remove it as a regular user. |
| 11:47.27 | Shadur | And setuid still doesn't work on shell scripts, does it? |
| 11:47.33 | peterS | correct |
| 11:47.36 | Shadur | Good. |
| 11:47.54 | Shadur | And last I checked *any* kind of write to a setuid binary clears the setuid bit. |
| 11:48.02 | peterS | the kernel does not support setuid for shell scripts because it's insecure unless done in a very specific way, and then it's still insecure in many cases |
| 11:48.23 | peterS | well, 'chown' clears the setuid bit. I don't know if writing to a file clears it. |
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| 11:49.24 | Shadur | ... Hmm, nope. Writing to a file doesn't, as long as you're the original owner. |
| 11:49.37 | ChrisW | peterS: can you rmemeber where to find the disk administrator util? |
| 11:49.48 | peterS | ChrisW: in which version of windows? |
| 11:49.53 | ChrisW | WinXP |
| 11:49.59 | Tallu | ChrisW: control panel, administrative tasks, system, storage management |
| 11:50.03 | Tallu | if i recall correctly |
| 11:50.10 | peterS | yeah, you do, that sounds right |
| 11:50.21 | ChrisW | ok |
| 11:50.23 | ChrisW | control panel |
| 11:50.25 | Shadur | Mmm, zero administration. Also known as "Don't bother trying, it's impossible to get any administration done." |
| 11:50.31 | ChrisW | administrative tools, no "system" |
| 11:50.32 | peterS | in win2000 it's Start -> Run -> "windisk.exe" |
| 11:50.34 | petemc | right click my computer, manage |
| 11:50.36 | peterS | possibly that works in winxp too |
| 11:50.50 | ChrisW | ah, found it |
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| 11:51.38 | wols | compmgmt.msc is all you need for that esoteric stuff |
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| 11:52.48 | creative83 | How do I get motherboard type under linux? |
| 11:52.57 | azeem | creative83: lspci |
| 11:52.57 | peterS | creative83: what do you mean, motherboard type? |
| 11:53.01 | TARZEAU | wols: PONY! |
| 11:53.15 | TARZEAU | wols: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~npreyss/files/pony.jpg |
| 11:53.17 | creative83 | peterS: All Info about motherboard. Like manufactorer and so on |
| 11:53.22 | creative83 | azeem: ok |
| 11:53.23 | petemc | dmidecode |
| 11:53.34 | peterS | creative83: yeah, probably dmidecode, though you'll get quite an ocean of information from that |
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| 11:53.59 | ChrisW | peterS: hmm, okay, shows up fine ther :-/ |
| 11:54.03 | creative83 | peterS: Ok. |
| 11:54.22 | ChrisW | (well, no warning lights, but not telling me much etiher...) |
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| 11:54.52 | dhill1 | it's still the same after changing to evdev. Both scrolls are mapped to vertical. |
| 11:55.14 | peterS | dhill1: evdev probably has a way to do it but I couldn't tell you how. as I said I don't have that hardware |
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| 11:55.25 | Tallu | ChrisW: theres also a read only driver for ext3 for winxp i think.. im not sure though |
| 11:55.45 | dhill1 | i suspect a kernel here, because it seems that both evdev and mice splitt the same numbers when scrolling horizontal and vertical |
| 11:55.58 | jelly-home | !ext2fsd |
| 11:55.58 | dpkg | i heard ext2fsd is a read-only ext2 file system driver for nt/2k/xp. http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/... see also http://www.fs-driver.org/ for a rw driver. |
| 11:56.13 | dhill1 | where do i report such things? |
| 11:56.37 | ChrisW | jelly-home: okay, but this is an ext3 drive... |
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| 11:56.52 | creative83 | peterS: It worked. Thanks |
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| 11:56.58 | ktwilight | weird weird weird |
| 11:57.05 | wols | ChrisW: readonly access works with that driver on ext3 too |
| 11:57.14 | ktwilight | anyone uses rt2500 with kernel 2.6.17? |
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| 11:58.24 | wols | !anyone |
| 11:58.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:58.46 | ktwilight | :( |
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| 11:59.42 | cafuego | ktwilight: Can you explain the average distance between two sequential prime numbers? |
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| 12:00.10 | ktwilight | no |
| 12:00.28 | jelly-home | what is the average speed of a laden swallow? |
| 12:00.36 | peterS | african, I take it? |
| 12:00.39 | Tallu | jelly-home: what do you mean, african or european? |
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| 12:00.48 | blondie | 500 mph |
| 12:00.51 | Ronin | monty python hour? |
| 12:00.51 | jelly-home | I dunno... aaarghh! |
| 12:01.00 | cafuego | jelly-home: in horizonal flight or verical drop? |
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| 12:01.39 | Tallu | jelly-home: haha :P |
| 12:02.12 | ChrisWLaptop | okay, lets see how ext2fsd fairs... |
| 12:02.40 | peterS | fares |
| 12:02.50 | wols | that's not fair! |
| 12:02.53 | ChrisWLaptop | true enough |
| 12:03.30 | jelly-home | ChrisWLaptop: I though I liked the fs-driver.org driver... until I got fs corruption. But I'm not sure whether it's the driver or the fact that I have a 200GB ext3 on an usb disk. |
| 12:03.38 | jelly-home | thought |
| 12:03.52 | ChrisWLaptop | okay, installed, now how'd I get it to work? |
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| 12:04.12 | ktwilight | weird weird |
| 12:04.24 | ktwilight | so i can't find any bugs that relate to my problem for rt2500 on 2.6.17 |
| 12:04.28 | shaibn | hi :) my one of my disks failed on a raid1 array. this is the 2nd time this happend on that same target device. my kernel reports errors but I don't know how to read them since they are very technical http://pastebin.com/744528 ; can someone help me understand how I can tell if this is a controller or hdd error? |
| 12:05.41 | ktwilight | my rt2500 can't establish any link with my router even though the module has noproblem. after countless of rmmod rt2500, modprobe rt2500 and /etc/init.d/networking restart then only i get rt2500 working.... |
| 12:05.53 | ktwilight | where do i start digging the /real/ issue behind this? |
| 12:06.11 | ktwilight | i've just searched on the net and it seems 2.6.17 doesn't work well with rt2500? but only 2.6.16? |
| 12:06.11 | cafuego | firmware files? |
| 12:06.22 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 12:09.50 | TARZEAU | i sweat alot when the weather is hot |
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| 12:10.16 | jelly-home | TARZEAU: do you rhyme for the dime? |
| 12:10.27 | TARZEAU | jelly-home: have you seen the pony? |
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| 12:10.35 | ktwilight | great |
| 12:10.48 | jelly-home | TARZEAU: nope |
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| 12:15.52 | ChrisW | well, ext2fsd said the drive was unformatted |
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| 12:16.17 | ChrisW | but I dunno if htat was me being kack handed with ext2fsd or problems with the drive... |
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| 12:17.16 | peterS | ChrisW: honestly, I'd suggest booting a knoppix CD or something, on that WinXP PC, if you just want to see whether the usb drive is still usable |
| 12:17.40 | ChrisW | well, I don't really have time to do that :-/ |
| 12:17.45 | LinuxHelp | how can I connect to a (gdm) xdmcp server from Mac OS X? |
| 12:17.50 | ChrisW | I'll try bringing home the other disk tomorrow |
| 12:18.24 | ChrisW | ug, I mean on Wednesday... |
| 12:18.33 | ChrisW | *sigh* |
| 12:18.42 | ChrisW | but what could be up with that disk? |
| 12:19.03 | ChrisW | seems a little harsh for it to go completely titsup just 'cos I unplugged it... |
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| 12:21.17 | owg | hi, how do I specify the MAC address of eht0 in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 12:22.20 | DimmuR | owg: you want change MAC using software? |
| 12:22.43 | mne | I'm having problems with gthu domb. it shows only certain types of images, image types like jpg or png do not show up. any hints ? |
| 12:22.46 | dimir | owg: man interfaces | grep "hwaddr addr" -A3 |
| 12:23.08 | mne | gthumb |
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| 12:24.55 | owg | hello |
| 12:25.11 | owg | what should I put in /etc/network/interfaces to change the MAC address? |
| 12:25.58 | ramiroec | is there a command to get the "network status" of a simple network lan interface ? (half duplex, full duplex, 10/100) |
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| 12:27.03 | mne | owg, does adding "hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx" not work ? |
| 12:27.15 | TARZEAU | jelly-home: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~npreyss/files/pony.jpg |
| 12:27.15 | Ryushin | Is there a file that controls the permissions set on files in /sys? |
| 12:27.43 | dimir | owg: did you run what I gave you? |
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| 12:34.38 | ChrisW | peterS: bizarre: rebooting the debian box appears to have solved the problem... |
| 12:35.01 | peterS | ChrisW: that's a relief. however, if it _is_ a hardware problem, it could come back any time |
| 12:35.12 | ChrisW | I don't think it was |
| 12:35.32 | ChrisW | I have a suspicion that leaving the usb drive plugged in while the machine is starting up isn't a good idea... |
| 12:35.34 | wireddd | if its a software problem it could come back at any time also... |
| 12:35.56 | peterS | also true |
| 12:36.11 | peterS | ChrisW: shouldn't hurt. it's not like you're _supposed_ to have to unplug all USB devices while you power a system on |
| 12:36.25 | ChrisW | yeah, but this is dodgy linux crap, remember? ;-) |
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| 12:37.07 | Firestarter | is udev required in debian? |
| 12:37.15 | ChrisW | and yeah, I agree that it shouldn't cause problems, but what sanity checks can I do? |
| 12:37.24 | peterS | it's not even _possible_ to unplug all USB devices, sometimes. some laptops have USB-connected keyboards / trackpads nowadays, instead of PS/2 |
| 12:37.40 | ChrisW | indeed, but they're not disk devices... |
| 12:38.00 | wireddd | some computers can boot off of usb drives |
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| 12:38.19 | peterS | wireddd: yes, most PCs can these days |
| 12:38.31 | ChrisW | I know that too, and I'm open to suggestions here... |
| 12:38.48 | wireddd | ChrisW, maybe a new bios would help things? |
| 12:38.53 | ChrisW | all I know is that booting with the disk unplugged worked, with it plugged in lead to that disk not working |
| 12:39.09 | ChrisW | maybe, but I don't need to boot of this disk, so can't be arsed... |
| 12:39.27 | ChrisW | yeah, I'm worried if there's a real problems (software or hardware) but what can I do? |
| 12:40.17 | wireddd | ChrisW, you might want to check to make sure that the bios isn't trying to boot from the usb storage device before it boots off of your internal hd |
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| 12:40.52 | ChrisW | wireddd: I think I would have noticed, since the usb hdd has no os on it, no? |
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| 12:42.19 | wireddd | well if the bios inits the usb device to check to see if there is anything bootable on it, and then linux starts up and tries to initalize it again.... |
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| 13:01.17 | nomed | hi all |
| 13:01.44 | nomed | i see there is a directory: |
| 13:01.48 | nomed | testing-proposed-updates <-- |
| 13:01.58 | nomed | what's the meaning ? |
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| 13:17.02 | MakubeX | hello all |
| 13:17.22 | MakubeX | somebody can help me ? |
| 13:17.34 | ramiroec | whats your problem ? |
| 13:18.35 | finn23 | damn small linux can run completely from RAM, which makes it very fast. is there a way to put certain programms completely into the memory to make them fast too? (for example firefox) |
| 13:18.47 | ^MakubeX^ | i was seen this link irc://irc.freenode.net/squirrelmail |
| 13:18.49 | ^MakubeX^ | and |
| 13:18.59 | ^MakubeX^ | foward me to this servre irc |
| 13:19.08 | ^MakubeX^ | i had problem with my squaremail |
| 13:19.28 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.33 | ^MakubeX^ | ok |
| 13:19.40 | ^MakubeX^ | tahnsk petemc |
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| 13:24.29 | my007ms | how can i make vi open in exact line number |
| 13:25.00 | Serajewe1KS | my007ms: open the file then type :123 or whatever the line number is |
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| 13:28.11 | FaithX | Any back yard mechanics in here? |
| 13:28.47 | my007ms | :) yes thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 13:38.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:38.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 13:39.01 | erf | Hey, when I try to install courier-authpostgresql I get this error: courier-authpostgresql: Depends: courier-base (>= 0.47) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:39.07 | erf | How do I get that package? |
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| 13:39.24 | erf | The depends it is asking for are installed already |
| 13:39.40 | ^MakubeX^ | !ping me |
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| 13:42.53 | abrotman | erf: are you mixing sources? |
| 13:43.34 | erf | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 13:43.34 | erf | deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:43.38 | erf | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 13:43.38 | erf | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 13:43.42 | erf | Thats my sources.list |
| 13:43.54 | abrotman | that's called mixing .. and considered bad |
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| 13:44.15 | wdamn | Hi, what does this error mean? |
| 13:44.17 | wdamn | Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:44.31 | streuner | show us the whole error here |
| 13:44.33 | streuner | !paste |
| 13:44.33 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 13:44.45 | wdamn | ok |
| 13:44.50 | erf | abrotman, even with only testing the package wont install |
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| 13:45.05 | abrotman | apt-cache policy courier-authpostgresql |
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| 13:45.53 | erf | ah, found the problem, they've renamed the package |
| 13:46.02 | abrotman | probably |
| 13:46.05 | wdamn | streuner: here the link http://channels.debian.net/paste/3098 |
| 13:46.06 | erf | It's now: courier-authlib-postgresql |
| 13:46.16 | wdamn | I was tring to install xorg |
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| 13:46.28 | cr3 | what's the keyword to specify for an empty function? |
| 13:46.37 | cr3 | pass! nevermind |
| 13:47.13 | erf | ugh, this has thrown me off now |
| 13:47.33 | ^MakubeX^ | where i can get free bnc for connected to Irc ? |
| 13:47.47 | Ronin | ^MakubeX^: likely no where |
| 13:48.30 | ^MakubeX^ | hhemm |
| 13:48.45 | Ronin | just go buy/rent a shell somewhere |
| 13:48.54 | ^MakubeX^ | yeah |
| 13:49.04 | ^MakubeX^ | can you give me that's address site ? |
| 13:49.08 | abrotman | use google |
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| 13:50.19 | Marco13185 | where can I find a list of installed packages? |
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| 13:50.26 | pdani_ | hi |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | Marco13185: man dpkg |
| 13:50.38 | Marco13185 | abrotman, I would, but I'm not booted into debian |
| 13:50.51 | Marco13185 | but I have access to the file system |
| 13:50.51 | abrotman | so how are you going to get the list? |
| 13:50.57 | pdani_ | every usb-storage device has a serial number. how can i determine the serial-num of /dev/sda for example? |
| 13:51.04 | Marco13185 | abrotman, I'm using one of those ext2 drivers for windows |
| 13:51.14 | pdani_ | (i have many devices plugged in) |
| 13:51.54 | abrotman | Marco13185: /var/lib/dpkg/status .. closest thing i can think of |
| 13:52.49 | Marco13185 | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:52.55 | Marco13185 | that file has everything, and more |
| 13:53.18 | abrotman | it holds info if they've been uninstalled but not purged apparently |
| 13:53.35 | Marco13185 | okay, but it gives the status of the package |
| 13:53.47 | abrotman | ok .. as long as it's good enough for you |
| 13:53.56 | Marco13185 | I just need it because I'm going to start anew (possibly not with Debian) and I would like to get back to where I was before I messed up my install |
| 13:54.16 | abrotman | well .. that may not do you much good with something other than debian |
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| 13:54.29 | Marco13185 | abrotman, well, I have a lot of useless small stuff installed |
| 13:54.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:54.36 | Marco13185 | and most distros name the packages similarly |
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| 13:54.48 | Althaser | I have the critical kernel messages logging on CLI how can I disable it ? please |
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| 13:55.39 | jair | Good morning guys. |
| 13:56.20 | jair | I am trying to figure out, how to syncronize my debian postfix mail server with an NTP server already existing on a Windows network. |
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| 13:56.21 | dimir | Evenink. |
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| 13:56.34 | dimir | ntpdate |
| 13:56.44 | dimir | or rdate |
| 13:56.45 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 13:56.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 13:57.02 | jair | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:57.16 | jair | dimir: I will check those two commands ;) |
| 13:57.55 | dimir | jair: just pick one, they are both doing the same job. Although ntpdate is more advanced. Just stick to ntpdate and you'll be fine. |
| 13:58.41 | jair | dimir: but I just need the ip address of the windows server that is working as ntp server on my network? |
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| 13:59.39 | dimir | ye. |
| 13:59.43 | keith | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.43 | keith | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.43 | keith | The font "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" does not support all the required character sets for the current locale "en_GB" |
| 13:59.43 | keith | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.47 | jair | dimir: the time zone is the correct one central time -6 I am in Illinois Chicago |
| 14:00.21 | dimir | jair: timezone is specified on the client, /etc/timezone |
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| 14:00.46 | jair | dimir: have that correct |
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| 14:01.08 | jair | dimir: but I already have an ntp server oin the network, our own ntp server |
| 14:01.35 | jair | dimir: how can i connect the debian machine to use that ntp server? I have the ip address of the ntp server. |
| 14:01.50 | wols | by using ntpdate ith the windows server's IP |
| 14:02.00 | jair | wols: ;) |
| 14:02.04 | jair | wols: thank you |
| 14:02.17 | jair | wols: that is what I was thinking about but wanted to be sure |
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| 14:03.31 | Harvyb | ; hosts allow = 192.168.1. 192.168.2. 127. <-- is set that IPS , but my network is on the 192.168.0.1 ... 192.168.0.xxx may i change that values ? |
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| 14:07.53 | Shah | whats the most easit gui linux for a newbie |
| 14:08.10 | erf | gnome |
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| 14:09.03 | SerajewelKS | kde! |
| 14:09.08 | SerajewelKS | !start a wm war |
| 14:09.08 | dpkg | fvwm95 makes me vomit! |
| 14:09.10 | azeem | Shah: both KDE and GNOME are easy just pick and maybe try the other if you don't like it |
| 14:09.34 | davi | [alsaconf]: How to avoid the need to execute by hand 'alsaconf' each time after I reboot the host ? |
| 14:09.52 | davi | How could I do it automatically ? |
| 14:10.04 | stew | davi: add the module to /etc/modules |
| 14:10.15 | my007ms | i don't find any optian in man ls |
| 14:10.21 | davi | thanks stew |
| 14:10.21 | my007ms | make me ls full path |
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| 14:10.35 | keith | I'm using Debian etch & did an update I now get: |
| 14:10.40 | my007ms | is there one |
| 14:10.51 | keith | The font "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" does not support all the required character sets for the current locale "en_GB" |
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| 14:11.07 | stew | davi: you'll want to put snd-pcm-oss in there as well as the snd-whatever for your sound card |
| 14:11.09 | keith | (Missing character set "ISO8859-1") |
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| 14:11.28 | davi | cool stew |
| 14:11.30 | davi | thanks |
| 14:11.41 | keith | when running gnucash. What is the correct package to (re)install |
| 14:11.47 | Trev_ | Is there a way to find the actual uptime on a system prior to a recent reboot ? |
| 14:11.59 | stew | Trev_: try "last" |
| 14:12.02 | Trev_ | a 'how long it was up' prior to the reboot ? |
| 14:12.03 | Trev_ | thanks |
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| 14:14.17 | jair | dimir: do I need to have the ntp package installed on the debian server if I will just use an external NTP server? |
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| 14:14.44 | Pevstruct | hm anyone have any idea why firefox (sid) is so slow when I've changed the http pipelining? Is it looking something up beforehand? |
| 14:14.51 | Pevstruct | Google takes 3 seconds to load. |
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| 14:15.16 | Pevstruct | It's the initial request that seems to take its toll. |
| 14:15.22 | codeshepherd | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.34 | jair | wols: I did this command ntpdate -q pool.ntp.org and I got a message "no server suitable for synchronization found" :(? |
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| 14:16.38 | jair | codeshepherd: did you installed x-window-system-core and a window manager? i.e. xfce-4? or kde? |
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| 14:16.58 | codeshepherd | i installed GNOME |
| 14:17.02 | codeshepherd | jair: ^ |
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| 14:17.04 | jair | those two packages should walk you through the configuration of your machine. |
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| 14:17.16 | codeshepherd | ok jair |
| 14:17.41 | jair | codeshepherd: and if you want nice greeters I recommend gdm and gdm-themes |
| 14:17.43 | jair | ;) |
| 14:17.46 | jair | have fun |
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| 14:20.08 | Fox | jair: did you try us.pool.ntp.org ? |
| 14:20.23 | Fox | or any CC.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:20.35 | FromTO | how do I get madwifi to do a DHCPREQUEST on boot. I have the following in /etc/network/interfaces: iface ath0 inet dhcp pre-up wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0wlanmode st |
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| 14:20.38 | jair | Fox: I am just running the "ntpdate -q" command to see |
| 14:20.47 | jair | Fox: I will try those right now |
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| 14:21.03 | vovo4ka2 | hi |
| 14:21.12 | SerajewelKS | dammit, ktouch thinks i'm a great dvorak typish |
| 14:21.14 | vovo4ka2 | i have DVB (skydsl) card |
| 14:21.16 | SerajewelKS | typist too |
| 14:21.28 | SerajewelKS | it lies! |
| 14:21.46 | vovo4ka2 | is debian know DVB already? |
| 14:21.55 | vovo4ka2 | or i need to load some modules... |
| 14:21.58 | FromTO | I do not know whether my last message was displayed. I am trying to get madwifi to do a DHCPREQUEST on boot. I have the following in /etc/network/interfaces: iface ath0 inet dhcp pre-up wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0wlanmode sta. |
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| 14:22.24 | SerajewelKS | FromTO: you need "auto ath0" somewhere too |
| 14:22.40 | SerajewelKS | FromTO: if you want it to happen at boot |
| 14:22.45 | FromTO | SerajewelKS: I tried that as well. with no luck |
| 14:22.55 | kepht | how do i disable/bypass the install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz that upgrade keeps trying to get?? |
| 14:23.14 | SerajewelKS | FromTO: there's no "trying" it then deciding it doesn't work. if you don't have auto ath0, it's not going to come up at boot, period. |
| 14:23.28 | twisted`_ | how can I check what kind of memory is in my pc? through /proc or something... |
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| 14:23.36 | SerajewelKS | kepht: dpkg -r flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:23.44 | FromTO | what I am saying is that I have that line as well. |
| 14:23.49 | SerajewelKS | FromTO: ah |
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| 14:24.04 | SerajewelKS | twisted`_: what kind, or what size, or... |
| 14:24.26 | twisted`_ | SerajewelKS: dram, sdram, ddr, etc... |
| 14:24.36 | FromTO | twisted: type free |
| 14:24.36 | twisted`_ | SerajewelKS: what type :) don't feel like bustin open my computer |
| 14:24.58 | SerajewelKS | twisted`_: i doubt linux knows that information |
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| 14:25.04 | wols | twisted`_: you can find out with your cpu/chipset |
| 14:25.12 | wols | if you know what they are, you know 99% |
| 14:25.23 | twisted`_ | how do I find that out? |
| 14:25.33 | wols | lspci |
| 14:25.33 | SerajewelKS | /proc/cpuinfo has the cpu information |
| 14:25.35 | twisted`_ | cause I know your pc is able to tell cause there are zillion of programs that show the info for windows |
| 14:25.53 | wols | twisted`_: they read out spd eeproms |
| 14:25.54 | __ne2k | I'm having some problems with pcmcia serial drivers. I'm using kernel 2.4.32 and pcmcia_cs version 3.2.8. I'm trying to get a Sierra Wireless Aircard 850 to work on an embedded board; it works fine on my development machine, but when I try to load it on the embedded board, I get the error: register_serial(): autoconfig failed; serial_cs: register_serial() at 0x03e8, irq10 failed. I've tried excluding various io ports and irqs in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts |
| 14:26.05 | wols | and they can't tell for old SIMMs for example (they don't have those eeproms) |
| 14:26.09 | SerajewelKS | twisted`_: the pc yes. but the linux kernel probably doesn't care, so it won't be in /proc |
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| 14:26.10 | __ne2k | I've checked in the bios and there aren't any configurable options for ioports or irqs. I've tried several kernel version including the custom 2.4.23 one supplied by the embedded motherboard manufacturer, the stock debian 2.4.27-2-386 one, and a freshly compiled 2.4.32 that I made today, and none of them works |
| 14:26.30 | twisted`_ | wols: k, what part of the cpuinfo could tell me u said? |
| 14:26.42 | wols | I didn't say anything about cpuinfo |
| 14:26.53 | wols | what is your chipset? |
| 14:27.07 | twisted`_ | probably something AMD'ish |
| 14:27.10 | codeshepherd | what is the tool to configure X windows.. |
| 14:27.16 | wols | !drxx |
| 14:27.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 14:27.18 | abrotman | !drxx codeshepherd |
| 14:27.19 | dpkg | codeshepherd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:27.52 | wols | twisted`_: it's very unlikely an AMD chipset |
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| 14:28.20 | twisted`_ | wols: hmm... I dunno... |
| 14:28.30 | SerajewelKS | [OT] when learing dvorak, will it be detrimental to use qwerty after training sessions, for my other computer work? |
| 14:28.36 | twisted`_ | wols: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 760/M760 Host (rev 02) |
| 14:28.39 | wols | have you run lspci yet? |
| 14:28.40 | twisted`_ | wols: u mean that? |
| 14:29.04 | is_null | hello everybody, what are you using to find in what file is a string in a folder of text file ? |
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| 14:29.27 | wols | you either have DDR or DDR2. most probably DDR. depends on the CPU you run |
| 14:29.28 | SerajewelKS | is_null: 'grep -r "phrase" folder' maybe? |
| 14:29.39 | wols | is_null: grep |
| 14:29.40 | is_null | thank you SerajewelKS :) |
| 14:29.56 | twisted`_ | wols: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ or something |
| 14:30.06 | wols | DDR |
| 14:30.16 | twisted`_ | sweet, then this memory I found will work |
| 14:30.17 | twisted`_ | :D |
| 14:30.23 | twisted`_ | no mo crappy 512mb |
| 14:30.41 | wols | not necessarily. depends on its speed. and you will always need 2 of them with an athlon64 with socket939 |
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| 14:31.05 | wols | and with a budget board like yours, I woulnd#t put in 4 memory sticks if I can help it |
| 14:31.28 | twisted`_ | I dunno |
| 14:31.35 | twisted`_ | all I know this pc pisses me off so badly |
| 14:31.45 | twisted`_ | I want my intel back |
| 14:31.46 | twisted`_ | :( |
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| 14:32.02 | wols | you like ovens? any P4 sucks by definition :) |
| 14:32.50 | twisted`_ | pff... all the amd's I've owned have cooked theirselves |
| 14:33.02 | twisted`_ | this is the first amd that havn't cooked itself... (yet) |
| 14:33.04 | __ne2k | anyone got any idea on my pcmcia serial question, or know where else I might ask it? have tried ##linux and #kernel to no avail |
| 14:33.05 | twisted`_ | let's not jynx it |
| 14:34.21 | codeshepherd | i have VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 0e).......... so should i select "Vesa" as the X server driver ? |
| 14:36.46 | jelly-home | is there a visio viewer for Linux? |
| 14:36.46 | jair | codeshepherd: try to follow the option that recognize your hardware automatically otherwise choose vesa ;) |
| 14:37.05 | jair | codeshepherd: it should be an intel one too, if is is one use the intel instead |
| 14:37.21 | codeshepherd | well the default one was Vesa .. |
| 14:37.26 | lunitik | jelly-home: there's Kivio |
| 14:37.27 | jair | jelly-home: good morning how are you ;) |
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| 14:37.35 | jair | codeshepherd: did it works? |
| 14:38.10 | lunitik | jelly-home: also Dia, except that pretty much sucks |
| 14:38.16 | codeshepherd | i choose the VGA option.... let me check and get back if it does not |
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| 14:39.39 | alex___ | Hey, anyone know of a barcode reader with good linux support? |
| 14:40.06 | m0dY | dpkg: nologin |
| 14:40.16 | m0dY | !nologin |
| 14:40.17 | wols | alex___: cuecat obviously :) |
| 14:40.18 | kepht | codeshepherd: the driver should be "i810" for that |
| 14:40.24 | m0dY | nologin |
| 14:40.31 | alex___ | wols =) |
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| 14:40.47 | alex___ | something that won't accrue "intellectual property damages" against my company for using it, preferably =) |
| 14:40.49 | codeshepherd | thanks kepht.. but how do decide on that |
| 14:40.51 | Drunk | !!! |
| 14:40.52 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 14:40.55 | m0dY | any idea where to get the nologin command ? |
| 14:40.59 | Drunk | ola |
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| 14:41.14 | Drunk | :( |
| 14:41.14 | RichiH | !tell m0dY about search |
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| 14:42.34 | alex___ | jesus I need to get into the barcode scanning business |
| 14:42.52 | m0dY | RichiH: yes, i did all of that, i even found it's man pages but with no clue where's the real binary is |
| 14:43.11 | codeshepherd | kepht: i810 does not work for me |
| 14:43.18 | abrotman | alex___: look in the kernel to see if oyu can find a driver |
| 14:43.25 | kepht | codeshepherd: dunno then |
| 14:43.32 | alex___ | good idea abrotman |
| 14:43.40 | ryushe | m0dY > which nologin |
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| 14:45.11 | jelly-home | jair: morning ;-) |
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| 14:47.18 | codeshepherd | i have a samsung monitor.. but the xorg log says (**) | |-->Monitor "SyncMaster" (**) | |-->Device "Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller" |
| 14:49.29 | jelly-home | codeshepherd: the ** mean those options (the names) are taken the config file. I think it's a red herring. |
| 14:50.02 | cusco | anybody else having gnome-panel sucking 90% of your cpu? |
| 14:50.12 | cusco | and the apps menu blinking a lot |
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| 14:51.54 | wols | m0dY: login: /usr/sbin/nologin |
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| 14:53.24 | abrotman | alex___: given that there are PoS systems for linux .. i'm sure there is a scanner that works |
| 14:53.54 | __ne2k | I'm having some problems with pcmcia serial drivers. I'm using kernel 2.4.32 and pcmcia_cs version 3.2.8. I'm trying to get a Sierra Wireless Aircard 850 to work on an embedded board; it works fine on my development machine, but when I try to load it on the embedded board, I get the error: register_serial(): autoconfig failed; serial_cs: register_serial() at 0x03e8, irq10 failed. I've tried excluding various io ports and irqs in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts |
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| 14:55.09 | abrotman | __ne2k: does it work with a debian kernel? |
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| 14:56.22 | __ne2k | I've checked in the bios and there aren't any configurable options for ioports or irqs. I've tried several kernel version including the custom 2.4.23 one supplied by the embedded motherboard manufacturer, the stock debian 2.4.27-2-386 one, and a freshly compiled 2.4.32 that I made today, and none of them works |
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| 14:57.53 | __ne2k | abrotman: on the desktop development machine (VIA C3-2) it works with the deb 2.4.27-2-686 kernel |
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| 14:59.00 | syntaxx | anyone here using gdm and fluxbox? i need help in my startup application i cant make my startup application to work please help |
| 14:59.13 | Spiike | Drunk, |
| 14:59.13 | Spiike | :P |
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| 14:59.38 | __ne2k | abrotman: so I'm pretty sure it's something to do with the ioports or irq or something, but my enquiries have run into a dead end as to what else I can try |
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| 14:59.52 | Drunk | :P |
| 14:59.56 | Drunk | hahahah |
| 14:59.58 | Drunk | lol |
| 15:00.04 | abrotman | __ne2k: try a debian kernel .. if it still persists .. we can look at other things |
| 15:00.29 | __ne2k | abrotman: I just said, I tried the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel |
| 15:00.45 | abrotman | i thought that was a different machine |
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| 15:01.34 | wols | __ne2k: what is on irq10 on that embedded machine? |
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| 15:01.50 | wols | what is on ioport 0x3e8? |
| 15:02.02 | samuel | sup all |
| 15:02.13 | samuel | ive added some nfs mounts in my fstab |
| 15:02.20 | __ne2k | abrotman: sorry, I obviously wasn't clear. on the desktop machine, it works with any kernel. on the embedded board, it works on no kernel. therefore, yes, I am aware that this isn't a specifically debian question, and I probably won't get an answer here, but I'm just hoping people might be nice ;-) |
| 15:02.29 | nvz | I kind of like some things about gnome 2.14 in etch but the fact that they took out "Run Command" is aggrivating. now I have to open an xterm and nohup everything |
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| 15:02.48 | heh_v_water | is devfs and udev related somehow? |
| 15:03.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:03.17 | samuel | i always get the following error, but as far as i can tell this should not be happening: "Unsupported nfs mount option: user" |
| 15:03.17 | abrotman | __ne2k: do you have any settings in the BIOS to server IRQs or anything? |
| 15:03.17 | samuel | any ideas plz? |
| 15:03.21 | __ne2k | wols: /proc/ioports shows nothing on 0x03e8-f, and /proc/interrupts shows irq 10 as being the irq of the carbus controller |
| 15:03.35 | stew | heh_v_water: they both manage /dev, devfs from kernelspace and udev from userspace. devfs is removed from kernels 2.6.13 and greater |
| 15:03.37 | nvz | speaking of which I tried to "nohup aterm -font 9x15 +sb -tr -fg white &" and aterm died when I closed xterm, am I missing something? |
| 15:03.53 | wols | __ne2k: and that is the same as when you insert it in your C3-2? |
| 15:04.11 | __ne2k | abrotman: no, there is nothing in the bios for changing irqs or ioports for anything |
| 15:04.12 | nvz | I think I found a bug in aterm's transparency too, but I would need someone else to confirm cause I am in vmware and it might just be that :P |
| 15:04.21 | __ne2k | wols: let me check |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | __ne2k: eh .. that could make it pretty rtough |
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| 15:04.45 | lepton | samuel: did you edit /etc/fstab? |
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| 15:04.46 | arnon | is there a way to get a file from a machine using telnet connection ? |
| 15:05.00 | samuel | lepton, yes |
| 15:05.04 | __ne2k | wols: abrotman: yeah, on the desktop it loads fine into 0x03e8 and irq=10 |
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| 15:05.11 | incorrect | whats happened to java-package ? |
| 15:05.29 | stew | incorrect: nothing, why? |
| 15:05.31 | nvz | incorrect: I don't know, what has happened to java-package? |
| 15:05.42 | incorrect | its not in sarge anymore |
| 15:05.52 | stew | incorrect: it never was. its in the contrib repositories |
| 15:05.53 | samuel | incorrect, you could use the java-bin package in marillat also, and get rid of java-package |
| 15:06.09 | lunitik | !info java-package sarge |
| 15:06.12 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 15:06.35 | heh_v_water | reason I am asking is because I am trying to build an image using bootcd, I'm using etch and 2.6.15 kernel. the created iso image boots up but stops when it goes to start getty I believe then I get the respawning too fast error for all tty interfaces.. I suppose I'm gonna have to roll back to an older kernel maybe and use hotplug or something |
| 15:06.39 | lepton | samuel: you have an nfs mount in /etc/fstab, and you're doing something that in unallowed there |
| 15:06.44 | cahoot | samuel: does the man page for mount list user as a valid option for nfs? |
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| 15:07.04 | nvz | having a nick "incorrect" makes this difficult.. I think people are always making corrections everytime they talk to you |
| 15:07.15 | samuel | cahoot, yes |
| 15:07.22 | nvz | especially when they use a comma instead of a : |
| 15:07.22 | incorrect | lol |
| 15:07.29 | tjousk | Indeed |
| 15:07.32 | incorrect | well i thought it was amsuing at the time |
| 15:07.34 | wols | arnon: possibly with some uuencode/uudecode trickery, yes |
| 15:07.38 | samuel | lepton, me_server:/home/shared/Pictures /mnt/Pictures nfs user,rw,suid 0 0 |
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| 15:08.30 | samuel | lepton, cahoot ive two computers running ubuntu that work with the same line, this one has debian, but i think its the same in that case no? |
| 15:09.09 | lepton | samuel: s/user,// |
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| 15:09.30 | lepton | samuel: google for nfs mount examples. have fun |
| 15:09.54 | samuel | lepton, does NOT work with users or user, i have and i think this may be a bug in nfs no? |
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| 15:11.42 | cr3 | what does APT mean? |
| 15:11.56 | RichiH | !apt |
| 15:11.56 | dpkg | apt is, like, Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 15:12.47 | samuel | does debian have a "mount" user group? |
| 15:12.50 | cr3 | thanks |
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| 15:13.15 | lunitik | samuel: uhh... cat /etc/group ... look for yourself |
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| 15:14.35 | tjousk | samuel: perhaps you are looking for a group similar to 'floppy' |
| 15:14.48 | lunitik | s/though/through/ |
| 15:14.49 | Drusilla | I have a borked Debian box. Specifically, i have 2 tmpfs entries in /etc/mtab |
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| 15:15.06 | samuel | tjousk, yes, but to be able to mount? or just stick users in the sudoers? |
| 15:15.16 | Drusilla | And it's causing havoc. Suggestions? |
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| 15:15.29 | lepton | Drusilla: reboot |
| 15:15.38 | Drusilla | Did that. |
| 15:15.55 | lepton | single user, edit the file, reboot |
| 15:16.02 | tjousk | Drusilla: I have two tmpfs entries in mtab, and it is not causing any problems. |
| 15:16.13 | lepton | Drusilla: is your fstab borked? |
| 15:16.14 | Drusilla | OK, then lemme describe the behaviour |
| 15:16.26 | Drusilla | Nah, it looks fine |
| 15:16.42 | Drusilla | I seem to be having trouble making tmpnames |
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| 15:16.45 | Drusilla | (I think) |
| 15:17.06 | Drusilla | That is "E483: Can't get temp file name" |
| 15:17.29 | Drusilla | Everything but swap is in one partition |
| 15:17.43 | Drusilla | For what that's worth |
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| 15:19.08 | lepton | so what is the "havoc" specifically? |
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| 15:20.23 | Drusilla | For example, when i do a dselect/select, it exits with: dselect: unable to create /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i: No space left on device |
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| 15:22.41 | wols | are you sure it's not your / which is full? |
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| 15:37.27 | alynx | ok , need some help. To change X resolutions and such ; is it dpkg -reconfigure something ? |
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| 15:37.34 | abrotman | !drxx alynx |
| 15:37.34 | dpkg | alynx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:38.18 | alynx | ok , thanks , ill try that |
| 15:38.58 | nvz | is it just me, or are we being join flooded |
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| 15:39.41 | my007ms | i ahve /var 192.168.1.2(ro,sync) in my /etc/exports |
| 15:39.43 | rellim | nvz: its possible, but i just joined so i'm not certain :P |
| 15:39.58 | my007ms | and i can munt this folder from othere PC |
| 15:40.07 | my007ms | but why i don't see /var/log |
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| 15:40.30 | my007ms | i can not see any thing under and /var/* |
| 15:40.35 | my007ms | i just the /var |
| 15:40.38 | my007ms | ??? |
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| 15:43.24 | rellim | anyone else checked out this link http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship ????? |
| 15:44.13 | Vasistha | my007ms: so you can mount the folder ... at least you THINK you are mounting the folder... but you don't see anything inside it at all? |
| 15:44.17 | rellim | that wasn't there a month ago, i'm glad to see the ubuntu team starting to give credit where it is due, maybe we will see some better debian-ubuntu relationship status in time to come |
| 15:44.29 | my007ms | yes |
| 15:45.01 | my007ms | i see the httpd folder but nothing in that folder |
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| 15:45.54 | my007ms | Vasistha, have idea |
| 15:46.20 | Vasistha | that's interesting, you actually do at least see that one folder, how odd! |
| 15:47.58 | Serinity | I know this might appear OT... but #bind is sleepy... I have an issue where my slave DNS servers won't update from the master anymore. This happened as i had to remove a NIC from the master. From this time I changed and reconfigured the IP's of slaves and masters in the config files but nothing work. In bind's documentation, a querylog option is specified but it's not in the bind version that's in debian stable. I can telnet |
| 15:47.58 | Serinity | to 53/tcp from slave to master.... Any idea how i could diagnose what's happenning ? i ran an "rndc reload" but didn't go throught, my new domain (as well, as other's domains updates) won't be updated on slaves.... Anyone please ? |
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| 15:48.14 | jengelh | slaves decide themselves when to update |
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| 15:48.47 | abrotman | Serinity: #dns also exists |
| 15:49.02 | Serinity | abrotman, great, thanks, didn't think about it |
| 15:49.11 | Serinity | jengelh, rndc reload force it |
| 15:49.18 | jengelh | doubtly |
| 15:49.29 | jengelh | if it did, you could spam the world |
| 15:49.39 | Serinity | added to this, there's like 48 hours i added the domain, the servers are configured to update after 24 |
| 15:49.53 | jengelh | bump the serial |
| 15:49.58 | Serinity | No, why would it ? |
| 15:50.06 | Serinity | jengelh, I did |
| 15:50.29 | stew | Serinity: do you have multiple views defined? i have found that on my server with multiple views, i need to actually say what i want to reload not just "rndc reload" |
| 15:50.33 | stew | and in which view |
| 15:50.56 | Serinity | stew, by reloading the service ? |
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| 15:51.19 | Serinity | Well, daemon i mean |
| 15:51.26 | stew | Serinity: no, "rndc reload zone.com IN viewname" |
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| 15:51.47 | Serinity | I don't remember having configured multiview |
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| 15:52.03 | Serinity | stew, How can i check if i use multiview ? (I doubt i do) |
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| 15:52.14 | stew | Serinity: nevermind, you would remember |
| 15:52.22 | Serinity | ok |
| 15:52.26 | Serinity | Thanks |
| 15:52.32 | Serinity | I'll try in #dns |
| 15:52.47 | Vasistha | rellim: that's a nice article that ubuntu put up on their site. Hehe "Ubuntu does not provide [...] support for *every* package [...] but selects a *complete* set of packages |
| 15:53.35 | Serinity | I just don't get it, i have no error message |
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| 15:59.04 | amee2k | i just inserted a DVD+R. what does this mean: |
| 15:59.07 | amee2k | [17223686.516000] cdrom: hdc: mrw address space DMA selected |
| 15:59.09 | amee2k | [17223686.644000] Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 15:59.12 | amee2k | ? |
| 16:01.13 | Vasistha | amee2k: are you pulling that from dmsg or something? It looks as if it tried to scan the disc as a CD rather than a DVD, and discovered that it's not a CD |
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| 16:02.21 | amee2k | Vasistha: yep, dmesg |
| 16:03.21 | amee2k | well, i don't know what it tries to do. its a DVD drive (other DVDs work) |
| 16:03.34 | Vasistha | amee2k: I mean, honestly, it looks like something I wouldn't worry about -- unless you're having trouble getting the thing to write? The first thing that comes to mind is to verify the DVD writer can write +R |
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| 16:03.54 | Vasistha | amee2k: it's probably just spinning the disc and seeing that it's not formatted? |
| 16:03.56 | amee2k | erm, i'm reading |
| 16:04.00 | wols | amee2k: are udftools installed? |
| 16:04.09 | amee2k | no |
| 16:04.14 | amee2k | do i need them to read? |
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| 16:04.54 | Vasistha | ahh, it's a DVD+R that is not blank! Then, you're sure the drive can read +R discs? |
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| 16:05.06 | wols | whats your /etc/fstab entry for the dvd drive? |
| 16:05.15 | amee2k | yes. ither DVD+Rs read fine |
| 16:06.05 | mantang0 | Any recommendations for bare-metal backup/restore software/practices? Any good guides or apps I should be aware of? |
| 16:06.56 | coventry | For some reason my bash sessions are getting TZ=America/Chicago, even though /etc/timezone contains US/Eastern. Rerunning tzconfig hasn't fixed the problem. Is there some other place where debian keeps timezone information? |
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| 16:07.08 | wols | "bare metal"? dd |
| 16:07.26 | coventry | (And this is happening with root as well as my newly created account, so it's probably not something in my dotfiles.) |
| 16:07.27 | jair | hello guys, what is the other web site to paste information to avoid flood beside pastebin.com |
| 16:07.30 | jair | ? |
| 16:07.38 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:07.39 | wols | !paster |
| 16:07.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:08.04 | amee2k | wols: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:08.29 | wols | azeem: try and replace "udf,iso9660" with "auto" |
| 16:08.35 | jair | thanks |
| 16:08.46 | wols | amee2k: of course |
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| 16:08.50 | Vasistha | coventry: /msg dpkg set time ... or /msg dpkg tzconfig |
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| 16:08.59 | Vasistha | coventry: that might help? |
| 16:08.59 | amee2k | k |
| 16:09.03 | d0uglas | is irc.debian.org no longer part of freenode? |
| 16:09.22 | stew | d0uglas: /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 16:11.35 | EvilGuru | can anyone tell me if the version of PHP in testing has support for PDO, or if not if there is a module for it? |
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| 16:12.27 | Vasistha | EvilGuru: have you checked packages.debian.org ? |
| 16:12.53 | coventry | Varistha: I'm not sure what that nomenclature means. Both the commands "dpkg set time" and "dpkg tzconfig" result in error messages. |
| 16:13.38 | Vasistha | coventry: uhm, no, I was suggesting you msg the bot |
| 16:13.51 | EvilGuru | Vasistha: I have done a quick search for PDO but nothing came up |
| 16:13.55 | coventry | Ah, I see. Thanks. |
| 16:14.24 | Vasistha | EvilGuru: did you try just searching for php and looking through the list of packages/extensions? |
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| 16:16.42 | EvilGuru | hmm, it does not seem to have that, or mysqli |
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| 16:17.05 | Vasistha | EvilGuru: what is PDO anyway? (aside from packages.debian.org) |
| 16:17.15 | harvyb_ | make oldconfig then make xconfig ? |
| 16:17.22 | harvyb_ | or no need for xconfig if I'm using the old configurations |
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| 16:18.08 | Vasistha | harvyb_: I believe make oldconfig will just grab your old config, whereas make xconfig (or, my preference, make menuconfig) will let you go through and change the options |
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| 16:18.31 | azurit | hi, how can i install two different ftp servers ? if i try to install second, atp-get wants to remove the first |
| 16:18.32 | Vasistha | harvyb_: I'm not certain of that, though, it may be that make oldconfig will have you go through and prompt you for any new options |
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| 16:18.50 | EvilGuru | Vasistha: PHP Data Objects, it is a built-in database abstraction layer for PHP and should be part of PHP as of 5.1 |
| 16:19.04 | harvyb_ | should I replace --config=menuconfig with --config=.oldconfig ? |
| 16:19.22 | Vasistha | EvilGuru: interesting, is it kind of like a built-in replacement for e.g. PEARDB? |
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| 16:19.42 | coventry | Vasistha: That doesn't include anything about where TZ comes from, and none of the suggestions seem to effect the value of TZ. |
| 16:19.56 | Vasistha | harvyb_: I don't think so... I'm really not one who knows, though! |
| 16:20.18 | wols | harvyb_: what you try to do? |
| 16:20.38 | wols | normally you copy an old config-x.x.x to .config in your source tree, then run make oldconfig |
| 16:20.47 | harvyb_ | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#PKGNAME-KERNEL-PKG |
| 16:20.47 | azurit | anyone knows ? |
| 16:20.58 | wols | it will ask you anything that's new since that last config-x.x.x and leave the rest of the options like they were |
| 16:21.02 | wols | then you can run make-kpkg |
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| 16:21.26 | ddunham | okay dumb question, what file do you edit to change the color of your prompt |
| 16:21.29 | ddunham | i swear it profile |
| 16:21.41 | wols | azeem: you need to roll your own .debs which don't say "provides: ftpserver" or similar |
| 16:21.43 | Vasistha | azurit: well, if you look on p.d.o it will probably tell you about package conflicts. It may be possible to use some apt options to force the install and ignore the conflict but ... geez, be careful. Why on earth would you want two ftp servers? |
| 16:22.04 | philips | ddunham: .bashrc, PS1 |
| 16:22.31 | ddunham | thx. |
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| 16:22.53 | Vasistha | wols: interesting, that's the second time you've accidentally highlighted azeem, and it happened with two different nicks! |
| 16:22.54 | ddunham | i was in /etc/profile and bash.bashrc |
| 16:23.11 | EvilGuru | Vasistha: It is marketed that way, and was very surprised when it did not come as part of PHP 5.1.4 package |
| 16:23.38 | wols | Vasistha: I blame irssi :) |
| 16:23.56 | azurit | Vasistha i want to start useing another ftp server then i'm useing now but i can't just remove my actual server (because of lots of virtual accounts on it). so i want to have two ftp server for a while (until the users will recreate their accounts on new server) |
| 16:24.10 | Vasistha | azurit: well that's certainly a good reason! |
| 16:24.27 | Vasistha | wols: hrm, not pebkac, huh? ;-) |
| 16:24.38 | wols | Vasistha: unpossible! |
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| 16:24.48 | Vasistha | hehheh |
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| 16:25.23 | Vasistha | EvilGuru: I wonder if you've considered asking about it in ##php ? Seems a shame that it would not be in (etch?) |
| 16:25.48 | EvilGuru | indeed, I am used to the Debian PHP package being loaded with all of the goodies |
| 16:26.01 | azurit | Vasistha can you tell me the right command line options ? i tryed -m, -f, --no-remove but nothing works |
| 16:26.03 | incorrect | what imap servers support ldap auth and automatically create users mail directories ? |
| 16:27.53 | Vasistha | azurit: I certainly don't know off the top of my head, nor do I have any experience trying to force apt to ignore conflicts ... I would just be poking around in man apt-get. You might have to roll your own, as wols suggested |
| 16:28.23 | abrotman | incorrect: i think they all support LDAP ..... |
| 16:28.38 | EvilGuru | would an email to the package maintainer be worth a shot? |
| 16:28.44 | wols | but none creates userdirs automatically |
| 16:28.46 | incorrect | abrotman: i dunno |
| 16:28.50 | wols | afaik |
| 16:29.01 | incorrect | wols: i don't want users dirs, i want a black box |
| 16:29.09 | ddunham | omg |
| 16:29.24 | thefish | :/ |
| 16:29.26 | incorrect | create the ldap account, first time they log on, directories are created |
| 16:29.27 | wols | " automatically create users mail directories ?" then don't say stuff like this |
| 16:29.29 | thefish | buffer overflow'D |
| 16:29.31 | Vasistha | EvilGuru: well, first you should check on debian.org to see if it has been held back for some reason |
| 16:29.46 | abrotman | wols: courier can |
| 16:29.49 | incorrect | wols: cyrus imap doesn't use the users local mail dir |
| 16:30.03 | incorrect | abrotman: it can't create the users mail dir |
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| 16:30.08 | abrotman | yes it can |
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| 16:30.20 | abrotman | i think you can even set cyrus to create the dirs on demand |
| 16:30.29 | alex___ | cyrus is kind of hellish |
| 16:30.47 | abrotman | i finally figured out groups! |
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| 16:31.02 | incorrect | abrotman: how? |
| 16:31.04 | alex___ | did the solution involve cutting yourself, abrotman? |
| 16:31.08 | abrotman | no |
| 16:31.13 | abrotman | incorrect: how what? |
| 16:31.22 | itrebal | if i apt-get remove exim4 && apt-get install sendmail ; will this cause issues with my server in freaking out because it couldn't find it? |
| 16:31.23 | alex___ | cuz I think the cyrus manual advocates self-mutilation |
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| 16:31.50 | abrotman | itrebal: apt-get install sendmail exim4- |
| 16:32.11 | Vasistha | whenever someone highlights incorrect, I'm thinking they're telling someone they're wrong... |
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| 16:32.33 | incorrect | abrotman: sorry i thought you said you could auto create maildirs for new users |
| 16:32.36 | itrebal | abrotman: should I reboot after this? |
| 16:32.39 | incorrect | Vasistha: im sick aren't i ;) |
| 16:32.50 | wols | itrebal: it will cause issues with your karma. that's all |
| 16:32.50 | Vasistha | incorrect: |
| 16:32.55 | itrebal | hah |
| 16:32.56 | itrebal | alright |
| 16:32.57 | wols | abrotman: so what is/was the solution? |
| 16:33.01 | abrotman | incorrect: which which SMTP server? |
| 16:33.09 | incorrect | abrotman: exim right now |
| 16:33.19 | abrotman | wols: sam mailbox group:<group> <rights> |
| 16:33.22 | itrebal | thanks, later guys (and gals, they using IRC and Linux too) |
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| 16:33.26 | d0uglas | y'all hear about the manhattan building that collapsed? |
| 16:33.32 | abrotman | d0uglas: wrong channel |
| 16:33.37 | d0uglas | sorry |
| 16:33.44 | abrotman | incorrect: maybe it was postfix that would create it |
| 16:34.10 | incorrect | abrotman: ah ;) i wanted the imap server to do it |
| 16:34.24 | abrotman | incorrect: how would the imap server know when there is mail coming in ? |
| 16:34.34 | abrotman | incorrect: or you mean when the user logs in for the first time? |
| 16:34.51 | incorrect | yes |
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| 16:34.58 | incorrect | i want email to be ditched until they log in |
| 16:35.27 | abrotman | oh .. nfc .. ask #cyrus #courier or #dovecot |
| 16:35.49 | wols | abrotman: postfix can't and won't create users or maildirs for them. Just imagine what would happen with a dictionary spam attack :) |
| 16:35.52 | abrotman | and be prepared to wait .. they're low traffic channels |
| 16:36.15 | abrotman | wols: it's something like it will verify the user is in the <authmethod> file and then create the dir the first time they get mail |
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| 16:36.28 | abrotman | i thought i saw it somewhere |
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| 16:36.39 | abrotman | anyways .. not important .. not what he wanted |
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| 16:37.56 | Ironhand | can someone point me to a simple utility (preferably in a debian package) to convert all extended ascii symbols in a file to utf-8? |
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| 16:38.04 | mdupont | hi all |
| 16:38.21 | stew | Ironhand: iconv |
| 16:38.23 | mdupont | can someone help me install debian from a live cd (ubuntu) |
| 16:38.30 | abrotman | you can't |
| 16:38.30 | alex___ | utf8-migration-tool - convert to UTF-8 locale including renaming of files |
| 16:38.32 | abrotman | !d-i mdupont |
| 16:38.32 | dpkg | mdupont, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:38.33 | mdupont | do i just fdisk and then make a chroot? |
| 16:38.37 | stew | mdupont: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | oh yeah .. or that :) |
| 16:38.55 | mdupont | thanks |
| 16:40.22 | mdupont | |
| 16:40.52 | mdupont | hmm, i dont know how to select the new window from the irc command line |
| 16:41.47 | mdupont | 5 |
| 16:42.05 | azeem | mdupont: depends on your irc client |
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| 16:42.33 | Vasistha | mdupont: dude, stop |
| 16:43.07 | Ironhand | stew: thanks, iconv seems to do the trick |
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| 16:49.01 | madclicker | how can i delete all the messages in mailq for exim? |
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| 16:50.44 | SlayerXP | madclicker: /etc/init.d/exim4 stop && rm /var/spool/exim4/db/* && rm /var/spool/exim4/input/* && /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
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| 16:52.54 | mdupont | dpkg: chroot install |
| 16:52.55 | dpkg | [chroot install] http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
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| 16:53.17 | mdupont | 6 |
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| 16:55.10 | codeshepherd | i have VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 0e)... both vesa and i810 does not work.. what should i use ? |
| 16:56.12 | abrotman | codeshepherd: on sarge? |
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| 16:56.35 | codeshepherd | abrotman: i use etch |
| 16:56.50 | abrotman | codeshepherd: are you sure? |
| 16:56.54 | codeshepherd | ya |
| 16:56.58 | abrotman | codeshepherd: do you have the error log? |
| 16:57.06 | codeshepherd | i have |
| 16:57.43 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:57.43 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:57.50 | codeshepherd | xorg.0.log has .."ould not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!" |
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| 16:57.55 | codeshepherd | Could* |
| 16:58.08 | abrotman | that has nothing to do with your driver |
| 16:58.15 | abrotman | codeshepherd: paste the whole thing in one of the above urls |
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| 16:59.10 | eleftherios | what are the important directories to backup besides /etc/ ? |
| 16:59.48 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.59 | azeem | and /var maybe, depending on your use |
| 17:00.15 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.16 | simonrvn | some parts of /var, all of /home, and other stuff, maybe /usr/local too |
| 17:00.18 | codeshepherd | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3104 abrotman |
| 17:00.31 | eleftherios | azeem, simonrvn thank you both :-) |
| 17:00.39 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 17:01.00 | eleftherios | hm, which parts of var I wonder? |
| 17:01.06 | abrotman | depends on your usage |
| 17:01.48 | abrotman | codeshepherd: your fonts are totally out of whack .. dpkg -l | grep fonts |
| 17:01.58 | eleftherios | there exists a directory under /var/, its name is backups/ |
| 17:02.13 | eleftherios | I never knew it was there |
| 17:02.16 | abrotman | eleftherios: no .. like if you have a database or web files .. or something of that nature |
| 17:02.32 | eleftherios | abrotman, I have backed up the DB and www files, yes :-) |
| 17:02.37 | simonrvn | /var/lib, /var/www*, /var/spool, etc. |
| 17:02.45 | codeshepherd | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3105 abrotman |
| 17:02.55 | eleftherios | abrotman, what is /var/backups/ really? |
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| 17:03.11 | junix|work | is there an issue with spamassassin right now that should stop me from upgrading? |
| 17:03.20 | abrotman | codeshepherd: paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:03.28 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 17:04.13 | d0uglas | can i install debian on a box that doesn't have a cd or floppy drive? some sort of netboot? |
| 17:04.25 | abrotman | yep |
| 17:04.26 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:04.27 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 17:04.36 | d0uglas | nice ty |
| 17:04.39 | codeshepherd | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3106 abrotman |
| 17:05.48 | abrotman | codeshepherd: dpkg -P xfonts-base |
| 17:05.53 | abrotman | codeshepherd: then reinstall it |
| 17:06.01 | abrotman | or rather .. apt-get --purge remove xfonts-base |
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| 17:07.21 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 17:07.30 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:07.34 | codeshepherd | i removed it and installed it.. while installing i got the warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory... does it matter ? |
| 17:07.52 | abrotman | see if X starts |
| 17:08.11 | codeshepherd | ya i am doing that.. abrotman |
| 17:08.45 | mdupont | thanks all, running pbuilder |
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| 17:09.14 | mdupont | wonder how i can select a x64 architecture |
| 17:09.33 | mdupont | or build it all like with gentoo |
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| 17:11.21 | codeshepherd | abrotman: it does not work!! |
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| 17:12.27 | abrotman | codeshepherd: they're just fonts!! |
| 17:12.33 | abrotman | same error? |
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| 17:13.10 | junix|work | is there an issue with spamassassin right now that should stop me from upgrading? |
| 17:13.33 | junix|work | i'm not raelly finding anything in the bug reports that tells me what would happen if it breaks |
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| 17:13.58 | talaok | i recompile my kernel and all fine now i need to let my kernel not use initrd so what should i do in kernel to not let the boot loader need initrd on boot ? |
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| 17:15.44 | madclicker | SlayerXP, thank you, also what is the derivative for "timeout_frozen_after=" for debian in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf ? |
| 17:15.46 | codeshepherd | i dont find any errors in log file.. |
| 17:16.02 | steve | does anybody know why my smokeping graph data disappears after 7 days? it never gets more historical than that |
| 17:16.28 | codeshepherd | but the gui is still not properl.. i am not able to kill the gui also.. it come up again... |
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| 17:16.50 | codeshepherd | will changing it to i810 work now ? |
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| 17:17.10 | abrotman | it might .. try it |
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| 17:22.42 | stoned | alright |
| 17:22.49 | stoned | 3rd interview with dell today |
| 17:22.54 | rellim | good luck |
| 17:22.56 | stoned | sales manager position. Lets hope I get it |
| 17:22.58 | stoned | thanks |
| 17:23.02 | rellim | you in austin? |
| 17:23.06 | stoned | okc |
| 17:23.11 | rellim | ? |
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| 17:23.21 | stoned | you can figure it out |
| 17:23.22 | stoned | :) |
| 17:23.30 | rellim | rgr, got it |
| 17:23.37 | junix|work | hey can someone help ,me out with spamassassin, i just want to upgrade.... |
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| 17:24.04 | rellim | junix|work: never heard of it ... sorry :( |
| 17:24.11 | junix|work | really? |
| 17:24.15 | rellim | yup |
| 17:24.17 | syntaxx | setup xf4 |
| 17:24.27 | syntaxx | xfree86 |
| 17:24.31 | syntaxx | err |
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| 17:25.00 | rellim | syntaxx: what? |
| 17:25.22 | syntaxx | nothing its for dpkg |
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| 17:25.51 | shaya | anyone use parted on an ipod? |
| 17:25.57 | shaya | it seems to choke on the partition table |
| 17:27.06 | mdupont | exec format error running mount on the chroot |
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| 17:33.24 | thefish | linux on an xserve? |
| 17:33.58 | mdupont | exec format error: running mount on the chroot |
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| 17:35.38 | waltz | l |
| 17:36.26 | abrotman | thefish: #debianppc |
| 17:36.40 | thefish | but they go intel soon |
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| 17:36.53 | simonrvn | they have allready |
| 17:36.56 | simonrvn | already* |
| 17:36.58 | Edwin_Quijada | How can i get mu usb memory by console? |
| 17:37.16 | thefish | are xserves intel already? |
| 17:37.18 | thefish | awesome |
| 17:37.21 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 17:37.22 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 17:37.29 | thefish | uk isps that support hosting? |
| 17:37.33 | abrotman | yay .. overpriced intel hardware from apple! |
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| 17:38.07 | wols | abrotman: it's not overpriced right now. it's only of shoddy quality |
| 17:38.28 | wols | in a year or so it will be overpriced however since apple is too much snob to lower prices |
| 17:38.29 | mdupont | howcome i cannot run x64 binaries |
| 17:38.39 | mdupont | when i am running a livecd |
| 17:38.47 | wols | are you running a 64bit kernel? |
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| 17:39.18 | mdupont | no, an ubuntu 386 |
| 17:39.25 | wols | that's your answer |
| 17:39.28 | abrotman | wols: it's still overpriced |
| 17:39.39 | mdupont | so there is no compatibility? |
| 17:39.49 | wols | abrotman: other core duo notebooks were worse. they all wanted to sell their old dothan for the cheap money |
| 17:39.52 | d0uglas | what's another pastebin.com-like site? it's not working for me |
| 17:40.00 | mdupont | can i force it to try? |
| 17:40.01 | wols | !tell d0uglas about paster |
| 17:40.14 | abrotman | wols: i got to compare prices at compusa .. the non-apple stuff is way cheaper for better specs |
| 17:40.17 | d0uglas | nice thanks |
| 17:40.20 | d0uglas | you guys are great |
| 17:40.21 | wols | mdupont: no you can't. run a 64bit distro or be happy with 32 bit binaries |
| 17:40.25 | abrotman | (and i don't see intel xserves on their site) |
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| 17:40.50 | wols | abrotman: was looking at german webshops when the macbook came out. it was always cheaper or better |
| 17:40.54 | thefish | which is the best server make then? |
| 17:40.58 | abrotman | wols: let me see if i can find a url |
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| 17:41.13 | wols | !best |
| 17:41.13 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:41.46 | abrotman | wols: http://www.compusa.com/products/products.asp?N=200334+4294966923+4294964934&Ne=300817&Cn=Notebooks%5FTablet%5FPCs%5FNotebooks&Ns=display%5Fprice%7C0#sort1 |
| 17:41.55 | wols | all that's currently a given is: stay away from any P4 based server aka Xeons |
| 17:41.56 | abrotman | wols: you'll have to click Pg2 to get to the apple stuff :) |
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| 17:42.03 | mdupont | ok |
| 17:42.12 | wols | what? apple relegated to 2nd page? preposterous! |
| 17:42.13 | mdupont | so, how can i install the kernel? |
| 17:42.25 | abrotman | wols: it's sorted by price |
| 17:42.25 | mdupont | so, how can i install grub as well |
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| 17:42.34 | linrunix | hey, everyone |
| 17:42.47 | wols | mdupont: you can't on a livecd duh. and you will also need all supportlibs for the 64bit binary in 64bit versions too |
| 17:42.53 | TARZEAU | abrotman: tried sturmbahnfahrer yet? |
| 17:42.58 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 17:43.02 | mdupont | but i need to boot the new partition |
| 17:43.10 | mdupont | so, i need to make a grub |
| 17:43.11 | TARZEAU | abrotman: translated "storm track driver" |
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| 17:43.17 | amphi | TARZEAU: 'sturnbannfuehrer' ;) |
| 17:43.17 | mdupont | on the new chroot |
| 17:43.23 | TARZEAU | amphi: LOOOOL |
| 17:43.31 | TARZEAU | amphi: STURM BAHN DER FUEHRER! ;) |
| 17:43.32 | amphi | heh |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | wols: apple stuff not so cheap eh? :) |
| 17:43.57 | mdupont | grub-install chroot-base? |
| 17:44.02 | linrunix | say hi at less |
| 17:44.08 | TARZEAU | damn no windows binaries |
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| 17:44.17 | sybec | Cn someone please recommend a Debian version for a software development workstation? |
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| 17:44.22 | TARZEAU | sybec: yes |
| 17:44.23 | wols | abrotman: why the heck do they want 1499USD for a macbook (NOT pro!)? |
| 17:44.34 | sybec | TARZEAU: Who is that someone? |
| 17:44.34 | TARZEAU | sybec: i recommend debian sarge (or sid) for a software development workstation |
| 17:44.39 | TARZEAU | sybec: me |
| 17:44.49 | TARZEAU | the capital letter t.a.r.z.e.a.u. |
| 17:44.52 | abrotman | wols: there is a macbook on there for 1100$ .. small screen though |
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| 17:44.58 | sybec | so .. stable or unstable .. but not testing ? |
| 17:45.05 | TARZEAU | sybec: not from me, no |
| 17:45.17 | TARZEAU | sybec: unlike you like to be a marketing guy and always deliver too late |
| 17:45.25 | sybec | TARZEAU: Can you give me the reasons behind your answer? |
| 17:45.28 | abrotman | wols: and yes .. not a pro |
| 17:45.32 | TARZEAU | sybec: testing is always the oldest |
| 17:45.44 | wols | abrotman: still. in .de a macbook costs 1050EUR. that includes 16% VAT even |
| 17:45.46 | sybec | I thought stable is the oldest |
| 17:45.50 | mdupont | is grub architecture dependant? |
| 17:45.56 | abrotman | wols: yeah .. apple stuff is not cheap |
| 17:45.57 | wols | 13,3" screen too |
| 17:45.58 | TARZEAU | sybec: the software comes late, the bugfixes come late, i can't support it, and the security fixes used to come late |
| 17:45.58 | Ronin | sybec: it is |
| 17:46.02 | TARZEAU | mdupont: sure is |
| 17:46.13 | wols | abrotman: compus certainly isn't either |
| 17:46.17 | thefish | fanboyism keeps apple alive |
| 17:46.28 | Ronin | but thats not necessarily a bad thing either sybec |
| 17:46.29 | abrotman | wols: well .. no .. but they're not really expensive either |
| 17:46.33 | TARZEAU | thefish: openstep really IS good, still |
| 17:46.36 | sybec | Eh .. but unstable is not even managed by the security team? |
| 17:46.47 | TARZEAU | sybec: new versions fix security bugs |
| 17:46.55 | TARZEAU | sybec: or you can just remove the relevant software |
| 17:46.56 | wols | sybec: of course not. it gets new versions rather |
| 17:46.59 | sybec | Anyway .. how "unstable" is .. debian unstable ? |
| 17:47.00 | TARZEAU | and handle it yourself |
| 17:47.05 | wols | it's unstable |
| 17:47.06 | TARZEAU | sybec: rock solid for me |
| 17:47.10 | thefish | it's good but public awareness will not serve to save it |
| 17:47.13 | TARZEAU | wols: it's just a "label" |
| 17:47.19 | Ronin | sybec: anywhere from really good to oh crap its dead again :) |
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| 17:47.25 | wols | sid breaks. not if, only when |
| 17:47.29 | TARZEAU | Ronin: really much depends on the package/software |
| 17:47.47 | wols | TARZEAU: I run sid myself, but I know the risks. someone new might not |
| 17:47.57 | sybec | Hm .. ok .. any known annoyances with running Gnome on Debian ? (debian unstable even) |
| 17:48.04 | TARZEAU | wols: true, that's why there is several sid factoids |
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| 17:48.26 | TARZEAU | sybec: yeah packages with dependencies huger than its source code break more often |
| 17:48.34 | TARZEAU | larger |
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| 17:49.08 | sybec | larger |
| 17:49.14 | TARZEAU | like bigger |
| 17:49.17 | TARZEAU | like HUGE |
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| 17:49.27 | TARZEAU | i mean, reallllly biiiiig |
| 17:49.34 | sybec | I don't really care, I'm all *beyond* my "minimalistic" days |
| 17:49.38 | TARZEAU | http://images.google.ch/images?hl=de&q=really%20big&btnG=Google-Suche&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 17:50.13 | wols | are you still in the "tinker" days? |
| 17:50.17 | sybec | Erh .. where do I get the ISOs from [for unstable} ? http://ftp.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/ by any chance ? |
| 17:50.32 | sybec | Depends what you mean by "tinker" |
| 17:50.41 | wols | if not, maybe look at ubuntu: all the breakage of sid, but with half year releases :) |
| 17:50.46 | stew | sybec: there aren't ISOs for unstable, its too unstable |
| 17:50.55 | wols | there are none. you install stable and upgrade |
| 17:51.13 | TARZEAU | sybec: you install stable, and then upgrade to sid |
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| 17:51.16 | sybec | Erh .. can you check out that link and tell me what I ran into then ? |
| 17:51.34 | TARZEAU | sybec: by the time you download a sid iso image, it's outdated. and they can't be tested really |
| 17:51.42 | Ronin | sybec: you cant get them iirc |
| 17:51.49 | TARZEAU | sybec: not what you want |
| 17:52.00 | sybec | wols: Mmm.. Ubuntu .. I don't know about that. I find something attractive about "vanilla" stuff .. |
| 17:52.02 | rellim | hiya TARZEAU |
| 17:52.16 | Ronin | sybec: vanilla stuff? oh your not going to run sid then? |
| 17:52.22 | TARZEAU | rellim: hello? |
| 17:52.33 | sybec | Will too ? |
| 17:53.08 | sybec | I like "vanilla" linux kernels, "vanilla distributions" [not distributions which are based on and/or depend on other distributions] |
| 17:53.19 | wols | sybec: just look into that directory and check for yourself. note that a debian sarge netinst iso is ~100MB. and the smallest installer you can get for sarge is about 30-40MB in ISO form |
| 17:53.23 | rellim | TARZEAU: nvm |
| 17:53.57 | rellim | sybec: what isn't "vanilla" about debian? |
| 17:54.22 | wols | its kernel |
| 17:54.23 | sybec | rellim: ..it was supposed to be an "anti-ubuntu" thing |
| 17:54.31 | rellim | sybec: oh, rgr ... |
| 17:54.52 | TARZEAU | time for some good nethackin' |
| 17:55.00 | sybec | but I guess I could try Ubuntu .. does it come with loads of stuff I probably won't need ? [yes, I'm expecting you to know what my needs are.] |
| 17:55.04 | rellim | i think ubuntu could be a good thing if they would do it correctly |
| 17:55.14 | TARZEAU | sybec: mostly it comes without things you need |
| 17:55.18 | wols | sybec: yes it does. unlike debian it wants to install it all at once too |
| 17:55.21 | rellim | sybec: not really, its decently streamlined |
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| 17:55.39 | sybec | OpenOffice .. now there's something I don't need |
| 17:55.41 | TARZEAU | there's really some problems with software and linux, that not even ubuntu can fix |
| 17:55.53 | TARZEAU | (yeah openoffice, x, gnome, cups, linux...) |
| 17:55.54 | rellim | sybec: ok, then yes ... it comes with things you don't need |
| 17:56.09 | wols | sybec: the good points of ubuntu are they figured out ACPI, wireless and the like for you. and they're a "just works" distro: if you have to manually configure anything they consider that a failure |
| 17:56.10 | sybec | but I suppose stuff available for *vanilla* debian is available for ubuntu too? |
| 17:56.19 | wols | debian wants you to configure more yourself |
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| 17:56.46 | wols | no. debian is much bigger than ubuntu, even when ubuntu users can add debian repositories to their sources.list |
| 17:56.53 | sybec | so if I change my gnome theme an ubuntu dev will consider himself a loser ? |
| 17:57.03 | rellim | i think ubuntu would be a great thing if they would base the core system off debian stable and then just grab the latest gnome, xorg, etc. from sid and do some compile/fixes ... that way it would be easier to integrate with debian |
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| 17:57.34 | wols | sybec: no. since ubuntu already provides you a gnome theme. if you want another that's fine |
| 17:57.37 | stew | rellim: ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 17:57.43 | sybec | but openoffice and .. others .. can be easily removed once the system is up? |
| 17:57.47 | rellim | my problem was first the fact that they weren't giving credit where it was due, that has been solved ... and now things are getting better development side |
| 17:57.53 | rellim | sybec: yes |
| 17:57.58 | wols | sybec: stew is right, ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:59.06 | rellim | i don't see the issue, he isn't really asking how to fix ubuntu, just some common questions and ubuntu is technically debian's child distro and don't sit there and lie to yourself and say you haven't atleast tried it |
| 17:59.15 | stew | rellim: stop |
| 17:59.29 | rellim | i'm done ... |
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| 18:00.05 | rellim | sooo any advocates of the debian gnu/kfreebsd port in the house? |
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| 18:00.45 | stew | rellim: TARZEAU |
| 18:00.55 | polishkoop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.00 | d0uglas | hi.. /j #gallery-support |
| 18:01.00 | TARZEAU | yeah #gnu-kbsd |
| 18:01.02 | d0uglas | woops |
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| 18:01.12 | [1]Dr | rofl! |
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| 18:01.56 | eexpress | so silent |
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| 18:02.13 | [1]Dr | Quiet! We're observing a moment of silence. |
| 18:02.18 | [1]Dr | nm |
| 18:02.43 | thefish | knoppix = perversion! |
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| 18:03.09 | stew | thefish: knoppix == offtopic |
| 18:03.24 | rellim | thefish: knoppix kinda let me down when they released dvd images ... i don't think a live cd should ever be that large in size |
| 18:03.31 | stew | rellim: stop |
| 18:03.36 | rellim | stew: what is on topic? nobody is talking |
| 18:03.39 | thefish | lol |
| 18:03.44 | stew | rellim: debian is on-topic |
| 18:03.52 | abrotman | rellim: knoppix can be discussed in #knoppix |
| 18:04.01 | stew | rellim: if you want to talk about various distros go to ##linux |
| 18:04.06 | rellim | but NOBODY IS TALKING, what is wrong with friendly conversation? |
| 18:04.28 | abrotman | stew: can you help me install debian? |
| 18:04.28 | rellim | i have only ever and only speak of debian or its children ... why not talk about then here? |
| 18:04.35 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 18:04.36 | abrotman | the children are offtopic |
| 18:04.42 | stew | abrotman: ask #elive-unstable |
| 18:04.42 | rellim | omfg |
| 18:05.03 | abrotman | stew: someone joined the other day with the username of elive-uns or something like that |
| 18:05.17 | abrotman | i was waiting for them to ask you stuff |
| 18:06.05 | rellim | ok, i will just sit here in silence until someone comes in and gets "on topic" and then i will join the conversation .... while i sit here in silence, could you get rid of the skirt and put some pants on? |
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| 18:06.48 | stew | rellim: if you are trying to now belittle us by suggesting we are wearing skirts, just keep it to yourself, if you don't like the policies of this channel, find another |
| 18:07.04 | abrotman | rellim: of course .. if you're bored .. go fix RC bugs |
| 18:07.27 | nvz | yeah if you have aterm and etch you can confirm a bug for me :P |
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| 18:08.03 | rellim | stew: i was trying to joke around and make light of a moment, i am sorry if i was out of line ... calm down |
| 18:08.15 | abrotman | kick him in the head! |
| 18:08.29 | rellim | abrotman: i'm in class .... i might go work on packages later, but atm i am just being bored to death by my prof |
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| 18:08.47 | abrotman | rellim: you should really pay attention |
| 18:08.53 | nvz | yeah, seriously |
| 18:09.05 | rellim | abrotman: he's teaching me ada95, when will i ever use this programming language? |
| 18:09.10 | nvz | if you're not gonna pay attention then just leave |
| 18:09.13 | abrotman | working for the gov't |
| 18:09.28 | rellim | no comment |
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| 18:09.43 | abrotman | rellim: if you feel your coursework is irrelevant .. ask the dean to change the course structure |
| 18:09.48 | nvz | I never even heard of that language /me looks it up |
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| 18:10.05 | rellim | nvz: exactly |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | nvz: it was at one time a well-thought-of language |
| 18:10.24 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_programming_language |
| 18:10.40 | rellim | nvz: it is old and pointless, only used by the gov't for weapons and navigation stuffs |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | it's not old or pointless |
| 18:11.12 | rellim | WAIT WAIT ... we are not on topic, this conversation either needs to move or stop |
| 18:11.18 | abrotman | let's go to #ada |
| 18:11.22 | rellim | k |
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| 18:12.35 | lepton | good riddance |
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| 18:13.04 | abrotman | at least there's an Ada compiler in debian :) |
| 18:13.24 | abrotman | i even have an Ada book at home |
| 18:13.38 | jkp | anyone know how to get nxclient / nxserver to work without gnome / KDE ? |
| 18:14.07 | abrotman | !nx |
| 18:14.08 | dpkg | somebody said nx was http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
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| 18:14.57 | nvz | rellim: don't be a troll now.. either they dont like you or they dont like knoppix.. either way take a hint :P |
| 18:15.37 | abrotman | nvz: he's gone |
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| 18:16.01 | abrotman | nvz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_programming_language |
| 18:16.29 | amphi | nvz: http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/sigplannotices/gigo-1997-04.html |
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| 18:21.06 | nvz | damn lag..I switched to calvino, cause nevin must not likeme |
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| 18:22.55 | nvz | I am not sure how server selection goes but 9 out of 10 times I end up on calvino if I use irc.freenode.net |
| 18:23.07 | nvz | er on nevin I mean |
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| 18:24.10 | Marco13185 | what's a good console font? |
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| 18:24.58 | nvz | whatever works |
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| 18:25.10 | nvz | I.e. one thats already installed and you are looking at |
| 18:25.34 | nvz | don't ask stupid questions like what's "good" |
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| 18:29.32 | streuner | Marco13185: take a look at this http://linuxgazette.net/issue91/loozzr.html |
| 18:29.43 | streuner | Marco13185: maybe its useful for you |
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| 18:32.46 | nvz | I've never read the linux gazette, I must be missing out |
| 18:32.58 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 18:33.26 | ralfWORK | ok I'm seeing the Debian Binary Package howto |
| 18:33.30 | meriad | hey |
| 18:33.34 | meriad | when running tcpdump |
| 18:33.37 | meriad | what kinda things do you wanna look for |
| 18:33.41 | meriad | in terms of anomolies |
| 18:33.48 | meriad | or things that could cause network performance issues |
| 18:33.55 | nvz | I've been reading a lot of the documentation that debian has in the sarge repo since I dont have internet at home.. I just havent bothered with LG yet |
| 18:33.59 | ralfWORK | but I don't see how to make this work for your general './configure && make && make install' kind of packages |
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| 18:34.07 | ralfWORK | can anyone point me where I need to go for this? |
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| 18:34.42 | mdupont | \q |
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| 18:40.04 | kindor | helo |
| 18:40.26 | abrotman | ralfWORK: what do you want to do? |
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| 18:41.27 | nvz | ahhh!! damn people turning the tv on and leaving!! |
| 18:41.33 | nvz | kindor: hello |
| 18:41.50 | ralfWORK | abrotman: specifically? I have VWmare tools and I want to build a .deb of it |
| 18:41.58 | abrotman | !mg |
| 18:41.59 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 18:42.04 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 18:42.04 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 18:42.32 | nvz | ralfWORK: there is no need to make a deb of VMware tools you unzip it and run ./vmware-installer.pl or whatever its called |
| 18:42.37 | stew | !mentors =~ s,#debian-mentors,#debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, |
| 18:42.37 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 18:43.01 | nvz | ralfWORK: as I found out last night you would probably be better off not using it |
| 18:43.14 | ralfWORK | nvz: I have a need to have them installed |
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| 18:43.38 | ralfWORK | and I have plenty of machines that need this |
| 18:43.45 | ralfWORK | so I really do need a .deb |
| 18:43.53 | nvz | ralfWORK: well regaurdless its a binary installer package making a deb would be the same as just unzipping it and running the isntaller, because you would still have to install it just the same if it were a deb |
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| 18:44.20 | nvz | ralfWORK: you can remove the vmware-tools-dist and tar.gz when you are done |
| 18:44.21 | abrotman | stew: does aptitude just sync to dpkg nightly ? |
| 18:45.02 | stew | abrotman: not yet |
| 18:45.03 | stew | soon |
| 18:45.34 | stew | abrotman: i'll probably soon move dpkg.vireo.org and aptitude to run off the main server so they both get updated nightly |
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| 18:45.38 | VolVE | hey all, so, when I install a package via apt and it gives me the "recommended" and "suggested" packages to use, can I view that list again even after I've installed a certain package? |
| 18:45.40 | stew | abrotman: i've just been lazy about it |
| 18:45.44 | nvz | ralfWORK: you will likely need the kernel-headers for your running kernel and a sane build environment. |
| 18:45.48 | stew | VolVE: apt-cache show packagename |
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| 18:46.11 | abrotman | stew: the main server? |
| 18:46.15 | ralfWORK | nvz: I have a patched kernel package I've created |
| 18:46.19 | stew | uhh s,main,same, |
| 18:46.24 | abrotman | stew: ah ok |
| 18:46.26 | ralfWORK | I intend on making the vmware-tools package depend on it |
| 18:46.35 | abrotman | ralfWORK: check apt-get.org |
| 18:46.36 | nvz | ralfWORK: to build the vmware kernel modules that is. when I ran vmware tools it just tried to setup XFree86 3.3.6 when I am using Xorg on etch |
| 18:46.51 | stew | abrotman: unfortunately my AUP on my well connected server that runs apache forbids any irc |
| 18:47.04 | abrotman | stew: bastards! |
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| 18:47.19 | nvz | ralfWORK: then you will need the kernel-headers you built it with or the kernel-headers package you created withit |
| 18:47.27 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 18:47.45 | stew | abrotman: but i'm getting another server soon that doesn't have this restriction, not as well connected but better than my DSL |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | stew: ah .. gotcha |
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| 18:48.32 | abrotman | stew: you need a T1 at home! |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | or if the wife really loved you .. OC48! |
| 18:49.19 | stew | abrotman: i'd rather not give up the speed at home now in order to get a t1 which is more reliable but slower, we really haven't had reliability problems |
| 18:49.34 | stew | abrotman: a client of mine is going to let me park a box at his site that has 2 t1s though |
| 18:49.36 | abrotman | stew: embrace comcast ... |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | mmm .. fios |
| 18:50.13 | stew | abrotman: i think i probably will embrace some sort of cable modem after we move and have another server offsite |
| 18:50.18 | nvz | comcast sucks I had them in Pittsburgh.. the reliability and speed, and even the customer service are far worse compared to Adelphia here in morgantown |
| 18:50.22 | stew | abrotman: no fios in nyc yet |
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| 18:51.14 | abrotman | stew: none at my location either .. but dan2 has it! |
| 18:51.32 | b_jonas | hello, all. let me ask an X question |
| 18:51.38 | abrotman | nvz: the speed is good here .. reliablilty not bad .. service sucks |
| 18:51.44 | stew | abrotman: nice. do you have LoS to his location? :) |
| 18:51.59 | abrotman | stew: i'm about 20 miles from him |
| 18:52.10 | stew | that won't work then |
| 18:52.23 | nvz | meriad: thats good. I told you it was probably a surprise. "Water is wet, the sky is blue, women have secrets" -- Joe Halenbeck (Bruce Willis) "The Last Boyscout" |
| 18:52.56 | b_jonas | I have only an on-mainboard videocard, which is reported as "Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 0e)" and it seems that I can only use the vesa driver for it |
| 18:53.01 | abrotman | stew: i could build a big tower! |
| 18:53.27 | stew | abrotman: there are likely better solutions |
| 18:53.27 | b_jonas | there doesn't seem to be a sepcific driver, except possibly these special ones that require kernel support |
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| 18:53.42 | abrotman | stew: probably .. but it would be fun! |
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| 18:53.54 | wols | b_jonas: i810 driver |
| 18:54.03 | stew | abrotman: yes. hopefully after we move i get to put up a small tower on the roof. i've never owned a roof before |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | stew: what will you do with it? |
| 18:54.44 | b_jonas | now it seems that xscreensaver can't suspend and turn off my monitor, even though I've set it up to power management. all it does is stop the screensaver after some time and from then on I see a frozen image of the screensaver |
| 18:55.05 | b_jonas | wols: tried that, doesn't work. It shouldn't either according to its manpage |
| 18:55.11 | nvz | abrotman: I was lucky to get 300kb/s on most things with Comcast.. I am getting 410kb/s from cdimage.debian.org right now and thats a busy server that is normally very slow. on a good server I get as much as 900kb/s or more |
| 18:55.17 | stew | abrotman: rekindle my radio geek inner self |
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| 18:55.41 | abrotman | stew: that was better than my idea .. which included a number of lenses and mirrors and blinding NYC drivers |
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| 18:55.57 | b_jonas | previously I had a videocard and then xscreensaver worked: it could turn off the monitor. I'd like to ask if this is because of the vesa driver or something else |
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| 18:56.09 | abrotman | or a rooftop garden ... |
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| 18:56.42 | wols | b_jonas: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/i810.4.html says something else. intel 915G is supported. |
| 18:56.48 | b_jonas | btw, knoppix uses the vesa driver too, I've just tried |
| 18:56.49 | wols | xfree86 pages say the same btw |
| 18:57.37 | abrotman | is Option "DPMS" in your xorg.conf ? |
| 18:59.13 | b_jonas | abrotman: yes |
| 18:59.23 | abrotman | is it on or off ? |
| 18:59.44 | b_jonas | wols: hmm, well I've rechecked and the manpage here doesn't show it. maybe I should update something? |
| 19:00.05 | b_jonas | abrotman: just 'Option "DPMS"' in the monitor setting |
| 19:00.30 | abrotman | make sure it's set to 'Option "DPMS" "On"' |
| 19:00.30 | jair | what is the other place I can paste information beside pastebin? |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:00.35 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:00.36 | b_jonas | but it's XF86, not xorg |
| 19:00.49 | b_jonas | so it's in my XF86Config-4 file |
| 19:00.58 | abrotman | ok .. that's fine .. make sure it says 'On' |
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| 19:01.24 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 19:01.24 | dpkg | somebody said dpms was know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 19:02.29 | nvz | power-saving is overrated especially on a desktop.. my file would probably have downloaded by now if this damn pc didnt go to sleep on me |
| 19:02.35 | JordiGH | Ah, the joys of dist-upgrade. During bootup, now it drops me into a busybox shell, in a fashion similar as described here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197956 |
| 19:02.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: tell #ubuntu ? |
| 19:02.46 | nvz | I dont know how the hell windows XP things its cool to suspend when you got shit running |
| 19:02.47 | jair | abrotman: it is another one |
| 19:02.49 | sid | AWESOME; The new version of gnucash lets you connect to your bank's website. |
| 19:02.58 | jair | it is another site where I can paste stuff |
| 19:03.01 | stew | JordiGH: reinstall the linux-image package |
| 19:03.02 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, it's a Debian problem; it just happens to be replicated in Ubuntu too. |
| 19:03.07 | jair | beside those you gave me. |
| 19:03.12 | abrotman | what did you update? |
| 19:03.16 | JordiGH | stew: I can't boot, so how can I reinstall the linux-image package? |
| 19:03.19 | nvz | jair: what the hell is the difference? |
| 19:03.29 | b_jonas | changed it to on. is there some way I can ask to suspend the screen now, just to try it out? |
| 19:04.22 | stew | JordiGH: boot a cd and fix it in a chroot |
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| 19:04.22 | nvz | jair: there are hundreds if not thousands of sites you can paste stuff on the internet, what the hell are you trying to do? |
| 19:04.22 | stew | JordiGH: you have no working kernels currently? |
| 19:04.23 | b_jonas | and maybe I should try if power management works on the console, hmm |
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| 19:04.36 | JordiGH | stew: I'm not sure if I do. I only have one, and it think that my root partition is in /dev/hda2, when it really is in /dev/hda4 |
| 19:04.39 | abrotman | b_jonas: you'd have to restart X |
| 19:04.52 | b_jonas | abrotman: no, I'll just start a second one |
| 19:04.56 | jair | nvz: it is one I like ;) is call something like ns something |
| 19:04.58 | gteppel | I'm confused how Remote SSH Port Forwarding works, I understand that if I forward local ports I can connect to that port locally and it will map itself to a different (possible the same port) on the remote machine. Would Remote Forwarding helping me terminal service (RDP) to my windows box at work if I connected to my home ssh server from work |
| 19:05.10 | nvz | sid: yeah just want I want, bleeding edge open-source software connecting to my bank account :P |
| 19:05.33 | nvz | jair: then you need to learn to bookmark or remember it :P |
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| 19:05.37 | stew | JordiGH: if that is the case you could fix it in the grub bootloader, but i don't know how /dev/hda4 would have changed to /dev/hda2 during an upgrade |
| 19:05.48 | abrotman | bad luck? |
| 19:06.07 | d0uglas | I got a database backup, a .sql file. How can I get mysql to import it? |
| 19:06.17 | sid | nvz: It's not bleeding edge; it's 2.0.0 stable |
| 19:06.33 | JordiGH | stew: Hm, but the grub bootloader already loads the kernel, no? That's all it does, and if I'm being dropped into a busybox, then grub did its job? |
| 19:06.39 | jair | nvz: yes I will try to look on my notes |
| 19:06.40 | sid | nvz: Bleeding edge would be if you used this feature 4 months ago and checked out the subversion trunk |
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| 19:06.47 | nvz | *shrug* I've never used gnucash and probably wouldnt know what to do with it anyhow :p |
| 19:06.50 | jair | nvz: recommend me one beside paste bin |
| 19:06.54 | stew | JordiGH: yes. you have an initrd problem |
| 19:07.02 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:07.03 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:07.05 | simonrvn | jair: www.google.com |
| 19:07.07 | jair | nvz: easy to use just paste and tha's it |
| 19:07.19 | jair | simonrvn: thank you nice solution |
| 19:07.27 | memic | d0uglas: mysql -u user -p < yourfile.sql |
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| 19:07.33 | d0uglas | memic: thanks |
| 19:07.42 | nvz | jair: thats how they all work, in fact the channels.debian.net/paste puts the link right in to here automatically |
| 19:07.44 | jair | abrotman: I do not like any of those |
| 19:07.47 | abrotman | tough? |
| 19:07.49 | stew | d0uglas: you probably want to specify a database name on that command line however |
| 19:07.52 | abrotman | find your own then |
| 19:08.05 | ikarux | Hi... |
| 19:08.06 | JordiGH | stew: I reckon as much as well. I think it should be a simple matter of finding which file to tell to look in /dev/hda4 instead of /dev/hda2. /etc/fstab already points to the right device. |
| 19:08.23 | jair | abrotman: when I find the one I am talking about I will give it to you |
| 19:08.30 | jair | it is very popular though |
| 19:08.32 | ikarux | What is the difference between Kernel Tree and Kernel Sources? |
| 19:08.37 | jair | but I do not remember the name |
| 19:08.45 | stew | JordiGH: is /dev/hda2 your /boot partition? |
| 19:08.48 | jair | is not as easy to remember than pastebin |
| 19:08.53 | stew | JordiGH: are you confusing groot with root? |
| 19:09.13 | JordiGH | stew: No, everything is in /dev/hda4. /dev/hda2 doesn't exist. |
| 19:09.19 | d0uglas | stew: the database name is g2, the sql backup filename is g2.sql... would i type mysql -u root -p < g2.sql? |
| 19:09.33 | stew | d0uglas: mysql -u root -p g2 < gw.sql |
| 19:09.35 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.15 | stew | JordiGH: where are you seeing /dev/hda2 |
| 19:10.23 | stew | JordiGH: it doesn't really matter, you need to rebuild your initrd |
| 19:10.34 | JordiGH | ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell. |
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| 19:11.23 | JordiGH | Rebuild my initrd... how? |
| 19:12.05 | syntaxx | in my gdm session fluxbox i change exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/startfluxbox but gdm always runs i think /usr/bin/fluxbox only anyone know how to fix this? im trying to put my startup application |
| 19:12.28 | simonrvn | ikarux: none |
| 19:13.00 | stew | JordiGH: does /dev/hda2 exist on the kernel command line? if so you can edit it in grub by hitting e |
| 19:13.05 | simonrvn | none that would matter anyway |
| 19:13.16 | nvz | syntaxx: here's a wild idea, use "default session" in gdm, and put all your commands in the default session file which would probably be ~/.Xsession |
| 19:13.46 | ikarux | simmonrvn: then wish I have to use for compiling the kernel? |
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| 19:14.14 | nvz | syntaxx: remember to put & on any commands that will stay running except the last one, which will generally be your wm (or the app that will kill the xsession when its killed) |
| 19:14.19 | JordiGH | Hmm... where can I paste, again? |
| 19:14.34 | ikarux | simonrvn: then wish I have to use for compiling the kernel? |
| 19:14.56 | syntaxx | nvz, i think i tried that one but it doesnt load up my startup but ill try it again ive been figuring this out for 2 days now |
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| 19:15.30 | b_jonas | I'm trying to use this command line to bring the monitor to off immediately: xset dpms force off |
| 19:15.45 | b_jonas | can someome check if the works somewhere? |
| 19:15.53 | simonrvn | ikarux: it's the same thing, i just said this |
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| 19:16.27 | nvz | syntaxis: if you put command1 \n command2 then just like in the shell command1; command2..command2 doesnt run until command1 exits. thats why you do command1& \n command2& \n command3 so that they all run and when command 3 exits the xsession closes |
| 19:16.36 | ikarux | simmonrvn: Ok, but I think have to be a difference or not? |
| 19:17.06 | syntaxis | nvz: lol - mind how you go with that nickname autocomplete... :-D |
| 19:17.45 | nvz | syntaxis: for example I could do "xset s off \n xscreensaver & \n nautilus -n & \n xsetroot "#FFFFFF" \n metacity |
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| 19:17.53 | ikarux | simmonrvn: I mean is there are no difference why two packages for the same thing, will be some confuse, dont you? |
| 19:18.14 | poonj | hey guys... |
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| 19:18.30 | syntaxis | nvz: a) I'm not syntaxx b) he's no longer even in the channel |
| 19:18.31 | nvz | syntaxis: and when I close metacity X will close.. but the xset, and xsetroot dont need & because they will terminate on their own but nautilus and xscreensaver I want to stay running . |
| 19:18.36 | poonj | anyone here know where I can find the config file for a default debian kernel? |
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| 19:18.44 | syntaxis | nvz: :-P |
| 19:18.44 | nvz | syntaxis: oh |
| 19:18.47 | nvz | doh |
| 19:18.50 | syntaxis | :-D |
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| 19:19.14 | nvz | I was getting ready to leave too I think |
| 19:19.17 | b_jonas | poonj: it's .config in the build directory, |
| 19:19.21 | poonj | okay |
| 19:19.40 | b_jonas | poonj: but you shouldn't edit it by hand so you only have to know that if you want to save copies of it |
| 19:19.45 | poonj | I donwloaded the kernel source |
| 19:19.51 | nvz | just cause I am tired of sitting here :P feels like I rather be at my house doing nothing all of a sudden. too many of those "people" things around here |
| 19:20.02 | nvz | at home I just have cats and computers |
| 19:20.17 | poonj | linux-source-2.6.16 |
| 19:20.31 | b_jonas | you can also copy that file to another kernel build tree but if it's a newer version, you should run make oldconfig after that to fill in the new options |
| 19:20.32 | poonj | b_jonas, but it doesn't have a .config file, nor a build directory |
| 19:20.44 | b_jonas | it doesn't if you've just downloaded it, |
| 19:21.03 | b_jonas | you create it with, say, make menuconfig or any of the other config commands |
| 19:21.32 | b_jonas | normally, you just run make menuconfig (or one of the alternatives, see in the README) to edit the configuration |
| 19:21.34 | poonj | b_jonas, I just want everything modulated...is there a way to do it fast? |
| 19:21.48 | stew | poonj: /boot/config-* is where debian puts the knerel configs, i have a bunch of them at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig |
| 19:21.59 | poonj | stew, okaty |
| 19:22.01 | b_jonas | dunno |
| 19:22.12 | stew | i need to update that with 2.6.16,17 |
| 19:22.14 | JordiGH | stew: Here: http://pastebin.com/717530 |
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| 19:22.52 | syntaxx | sorry nvz what was that again i got dc ill touch ~/.Xsession? |
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| 19:23.33 | nvz | you need to put your commands in there, yes |
| 19:23.50 | syntaxx | ok ill try it |
| 19:24.01 | nvz | :/ |
| 19:24.28 | nvz | hes gonna bitch it doesnt work cause he doesnt understand backgrounding commands |
| 19:24.41 | nvz | oh well I am gonna leave before that happens :P |
| 19:24.46 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 19:25.12 | nvz | heh |
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| 19:25.30 | nvz | go home away from these babies, televisions.. and other annoyances |
| 19:25.31 | JordiGH | Er, wait... wrong link. |
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| 19:26.07 | b_jonas | it seems there's no newer package of xserver-xfree86, at least in stable, and I assume that's what contains the driver |
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| 19:26.24 | JordiGH | Ohh... you know...? |
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| 19:26.30 | DaDave | hi all |
| 19:26.35 | JordiGH | It's probably that I apt-got removed lvm2. |
| 19:26.38 | cberlo | Hi folks. Anyone familiar enough with pam_mount to assist with configuring it to work with ssh_krb5? I'm trying to get a winbind-authenticating server to map Windows-users' home drives at login. |
| 19:26.44 | DaDave | Is there a way to make a full Backup (maybe disk image) of a running system? |
| 19:27.19 | JordiGH | DaDave: Sure, won't dd do it? |
| 19:27.21 | samuel | anyone here use beagle? |
| 19:27.27 | samuel | is it any good? |
| 19:27.38 | JordiGH | samuel: Miguel de Icaza thinks it's good. :-) |
| 19:27.43 | nvz | beagle are pretty good little hounds.. |
| 19:27.46 | b_jonas | wols: maybe I should try xorg instead of xfree86? because that manpage you pointed to is for the xorg driver |
| 19:27.52 | cberlo | samuel: Haven't found a use for it, yet. |
| 19:28.00 | DaDave | JordiGH: It will work with a running system also (where datas may be altered during the backup)? |
| 19:28.01 | nvz | if you like dogs that is.. which I don't |
| 19:28.25 | JordiGH | DaDave: How could anything work with a running system? |
| 19:28.25 | samuel | JordiGH, aaah!!! he must be right, he IS mexican :) |
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| 19:28.49 | samuel | nvz, :) |
| 19:28.54 | nvz | damn I didnt leave yet |
| 19:28.57 | b_jonas | DaDave: I think it's usually better to copy just the files, not the whole image |
| 19:29.01 | kindor | rw------- 1 root root 8 2006-02-23 21:08 --help <-- how can i delete that |
| 19:29.05 | b_jonas | for full backup, that is |
| 19:29.12 | cberlo | DaDave: I usually just make a tar backup. |
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| 19:29.16 | JordiGH | kindor: You have to be root. |
| 19:29.21 | nvz | I think I hear a cue calling me to exit stage left |
| 19:29.22 | kindor | yea but then |
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| 19:29.30 | syntaxx | nvz, somehow it works but the problem it says your sessions lasted less than 10secs etc etc i rebooted already and its says it again |
| 19:29.31 | kindor | the file is named "--help" |
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| 19:29.44 | DaDave | b_jonas: but does this also work with special files like for example /dev files? |
| 19:29.44 | b_jonas | you can do it from a running system, but you can't _restore_ it over the running system |
| 19:29.44 | JordiGH | kindor: Put it in quotes. |
| 19:29.47 | kindor | jordi: that wont work |
| 19:29.54 | kindor | shows the rm help |
| 19:30.05 | Ex-Cyber | kindor: put a "--" before the filename |
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| 19:30.12 | b_jonas | DaDave: it can, if you use the right options. what program are you using for archiving |
| 19:30.12 | JordiGH | kindor: use konqueror? |
| 19:30.13 | cberlo | pam_mount takers? last call... :) |
| 19:30.17 | kindor | whats konqueror? |
| 19:30.17 | nvz | syntaxx: probably because you have no commands in there that stay alive like a window manager, panel, desktop.. something |
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| 19:30.19 | Bitz | is there away to set the network to force full 100 duplex? |
| 19:30.19 | Ex-Cyber | kindor: i.e. as its own arg, separated by spaces |
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| 19:30.27 | DaDave | b_jonas: not decited yet. any suggestions? |
| 19:30.30 | stew | kindor: rm ./--help |
| 19:30.34 | JordiGH | kindor: KDE graphical file manager/web browser. |
| 19:30.40 | kindor | thanks stew |
| 19:30.41 | kindor | worked |
| 19:30.42 | erf | When installing postgres on debian from source where is the init.d script located in the source? |
| 19:30.43 | cberlo | Bitz: mii-tools -F 100baseTX-FD eth0 is one way |
| 19:30.50 | _rockstar | I've got the e17 source, and need to make debs from it. I've got the debian/rules file, but I don't know how to compile the packages into a deb |
| 19:30.50 | kindor | jordi: im not into window managers |
| 19:30.54 | b_jonas | I use tar for full backups, but that has some problems, |
| 19:30.55 | kindor | jordi: but thanks |
| 19:30.56 | syntaxx | nvz, hmm ok so better ill put exec /usr/bin/startfluxbox then next line my application? |
| 19:30.57 | kindor | :) |
| 19:30.58 | jkp | anyone have any good recommendations for a development environ to use in gnome? |
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| 19:31.05 | stew | _rockstar: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 19:31.06 | jkp | i guess now might be the time to learn emacs |
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| 19:31.15 | wols | Vladi: I told you that xfree86 has the same manpage. in fact it's the manpage from xfree86, not changed |
| 19:31.22 | b_jonas | namely that you can't easily use parts of the archive without tar reading the whole thing |
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| 19:31.36 | JordiGH | stew: do you think that's reasonable? that my apt-get removal of lvm2 might have messed stuff up? |
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| 19:31.45 | nvz | syntaxx: there isnt really any need for exec or absolute paths. and you have to background (&) any command that will stay running other than the last one, which when killed will kill the X session |
| 19:31.49 | polishkoop | what is a good console based cd player? |
| 19:31.49 | Vladi | wols: ? |
| 19:32.10 | b_jonas | tar handles special files reasonably, at least gnu tar does, which is what you have on a debian |
| 19:32.14 | syntaxx | nvz, ok ill try that thanks |
| 19:32.17 | wols | mea culpa. should have been b_jonas: |
| 19:32.19 | Ex-Cyber | polishkoop: only one I know of is workbone |
| 19:32.20 | afwnfinf | ff |
| 19:32.23 | Bitz | cberlo: does it work for all type of ethernet? |
| 19:32.34 | DaDave | b_jonas: hmm. so tar could be used as a replacement for a disk image...? |
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| 19:32.42 | polishkoop | existx: okay I'll try that out now |
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| 19:32.48 | stew | JordiGH: dunno. maybe. where were you seeing /dev/hda2 anyway? |
| 19:32.53 | b_jonas | no, it just copies the files and all their attributes (hopefully) |
| 19:32.53 | polishkoop | Ex-Cyber: ill try it now now |
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| 19:33.30 | polishkoop | Ex-Cyber: okay it works, thanks a lot |
| 19:33.39 | JordiGH | stew: During bootup, in the "ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist! Dropping to a shell." |
| 19:33.42 | b_jonas | that means, if you want to restore it, |
| 19:33.42 | JordiGH | message. |
| 19:33.43 | DaDave | b_jonas: but can you realy set up a server after a crash in the same state that it was when the backup was done? |
| 19:33.50 | stew | JordiGH: is it in your kernel command line? |
| 19:34.02 | b_jonas | you may still have to restore the partitions and create the filesystems |
| 19:34.03 | stew | JordiGH: in the root=? if so you can edit that |
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| 19:34.13 | JordiGH | stew: kernel command line? You mean, the command that I give to grub? |
| 19:34.24 | jaye | I was wondering if anyone knew a doc I could read or a page that had the list of kernel options that are needed to enable greater than 4gb ram support on 32bit x86 machines. |
| 19:34.25 | JordiGH | stew: No, grub only get root (hd0,3) |
| 19:34.27 | b_jonas | and the boot manager |
| 19:34.37 | JordiGH | which is /dev/hda4, if I'm reading it correctly. |
| 19:34.45 | DaDave | b_jonas: okay. partition creation is clear. but everything else will work with just restoring the backup? |
| 19:34.47 | wols | jaye: highmem support should be all |
| 19:34.50 | stew | JordiGH: no, the kenrel command line, its something like "linux root=/dev/hda2 ro" maybe with a vga= or something |
| 19:34.54 | _rockstar | Has anyone packaged e17 into deb files yet? |
| 19:35.03 | JordiGH | stew: Where is that command line? |
| 19:35.07 | b_jonas | filesystem creation, and installing the boot manager too |
| 19:35.16 | wols | JordiGH: in your menu.lst |
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| 19:35.20 | stew | JordiGH: if you select the kernel from the menu in grub and hit e |
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| 19:35.28 | stew | JordiGH: its in menu.lst |
| 19:36.01 | JordiGH | stew: No such line in my menu.lst, but perhaps I can add it? |
| 19:36.02 | DaDave | b_jonas: but all applications and services (except boot manager) will work then as before the crash? |
| 19:36.07 | b_jonas | everything else should work unless you have some wierd non-linux filesystem thingy which has extended attributes or alternate streams or whatever tar can't save |
| 19:36.20 | DaDave | b_jonas: hmm cool |
| 19:36.29 | erf | Hi, where do I find the startup script for postgresql on debian? I have compiled from source. |
| 19:36.49 | b_jonas | well, linux can typically recover if you have a blackout |
| 19:36.58 | wols | erf: /etc/init.d/ like all startup scripts |
| 19:37.18 | DaDave | b_jonas: my problem is more like a hardware crash or a harddisk crash. |
| 19:37.21 | JordiGH | Holy fuck, I'm an idiot. |
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| 19:37.22 | JordiGH | It's in there. |
| 19:37.29 | JordiGH | Ack, ack, ack... |
| 19:37.31 | JordiGH | I'll change it. |
| 19:37.33 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
| 19:37.42 | b_jonas | restoring a save of a running system isn't much worse than that, except that the archive image you save isn't an atomic snapshot |
| 19:37.49 | b_jonas | so you may have minor problems |
| 19:38.11 | stew | JordiGH: you shouldn't be ediitng that line directly in menu.lst. change the "# kopt=" line instead, then run update-grub |
| 19:38.31 | wols | DaDave: you can remount the partition as ro. Then you can backup. It's impossible to backup otherwise or you will get issues |
| 19:38.31 | b_jonas | you have to ask experienced sysadmins on how well you can recover a server from a full archive, I never had to do that |
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| 19:38.36 | erf | wols, it doesnt add it there when you make postgres |
| 19:38.50 | b_jonas | as I only full backup my home machine |
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| 19:38.58 | b_jonas | I don't manage servers |
| 19:39.00 | wols | erf: that's why you use debs and not compile yourself. and if you MUST compile yourself, you make a backport |
| 19:39.22 | JordiGH | stew: In a minute. Let me boot back into Debian first. :-) |
| 19:39.22 | DaDave | wols: i can't remount the partition since it's the root partition and i can not thake the system out of work. what might been the issues when doing it without remounting read only? |
| 19:39.33 | b_jonas | wols: well, I'll reboot to knoppix which has xorg so I don't have to install it yet |
| 19:39.38 | wols | DaDave: corrupted filesystem |
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| 19:40.00 | b_jonas | only problem with tar is, it can sometimes be difficult to give the right options |
| 19:40.05 | wols | DaDave: and usually not all data on the backup which makes the backup less than useless |
| 19:40.35 | b_jonas | especially when I create the archive on the same filesystem I'm saving, so I have to tell it to skip the archive itself, but nothing else |
| 19:40.48 | gteppel | I have Box1 which is a windows box that is sitting behind a company firewall, howeverl port 3389 is open inside the LAN, i then have Box2 which is my ssh server sitting at home that has port 22 open to the internet (and other ports that I want to open) then I have box3 which is a laptop in a very restrictive network. I want to connect to Box1 from Box3 |
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| 19:41.04 | DaDave | wols: corrupted filesystem? are you talking about the backup beeing corrupted or the file system of the runnign system may been coruppted when making a live backup? |
| 19:41.14 | jelly-home | Is he going to drink it all himself? |
| 19:41.20 | wols | DaDave: depending how the backup is made both |
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| 19:41.46 | jelly-home | Oy was that a worng channel or what |
| 19:41.54 | JordiGH | quit |
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| 19:41.56 | DaDave | wols: when the backup is made with tar, may this also corrupt the running file system? |
| 19:42.15 | [Wca]deathz0r | how do i get rid of the apache2-default that i get whenever i go to root site even if i have an index.php in there? |
| 19:42.20 | wols | dunno. depends on the locking tar would do. probably not since default is not to lock usually for *nix programs |
| 19:42.25 | [Wca]deathz0r | :S |
| 19:42.33 | wols | but it's all moot: a backup which you can't trust is no backup |
| 19:43.26 | DaDave | wols: indeed |
| 19:43.48 | DaDave | wols: damn. so there is just no trustworthy way to do a live backup... |
| 19:43.50 | Dwonis | If you use LVM, you can take a snapshot of a filesystem, mount it, and run tar on that. While there might be some corruption, it'll be no different than the corruption that occurs during a power outage, so well-designed programs will be able to recover. |
| 19:44.27 | DaDave | Dwonis: how can i know if the server uses LVM? |
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| 19:44.44 | Dwonis | Run lvdisplay (as root, probably). It should return something. |
| 19:45.19 | DaDave | Dwonis: lvdisplay is not installed, so i guess LVM is not used... |
| 19:45.25 | wols | Dwonis: and how is that snapshot stored? and how muhc data is in that snapshot? |
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| 19:45.52 | Dwonis | wols: it uses copy-on-write, so the storage needed depends on how much changes since the snapshot was created |
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| 19:46.18 | JordiGH | Great, back in Debian. Next problem, (told you I love dist-upgrade) my nvidia module won't load. Hmm... |
| 19:46.23 | Dwonis | wols: the storage comes from the free space in your volume group |
| 19:49.47 | JordiGH | Error: API mismatch. NVIDIA kernel module is foo but this X module has the version bar. |
| 19:50.17 | JordiGH | The kernel module is newer than the X module. |
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| 19:51.37 | redondos | How do you change the system-wide default locale? |
| 19:51.53 | Dwonis | redondos: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:51.59 | redondos | testing |
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| 19:52.17 | flixil | #debian-es is algo a good channel |
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| 19:52.31 | flixil | #xubuntu-es sorry... in what was i thinking? |
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| 19:52.53 | Dwonis | redondos: "dpkg-reconfigure locales", I think |
| 19:52.54 | flixil | ehm... i mean... i mess the channel and the phase lol... |
| 19:54.43 | DaDave | thanks all for the help! |
| 19:55.04 | redondos | Dwonis: thanks, but that doesn't let me select the default one |
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| 19:56.09 | Dwonis | redondos: It should; It does for me: "Default locale for the system environment:" |
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| 19:56.28 | Dwonis | redondos: of course, you have to tell it to generate some locales before it will let you pick one |
| 19:56.53 | redondos | Dwonis: It has 2 locales, but it never asks me about the defaylt one. |
| 19:57.31 | Dwonis | redondos: try "dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales" ? |
| 19:58.14 | redondos | Dwonis: http://pastebin.ca/84287 |
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| 19:58.50 | fantomas | Hi. What cp switches needed to copy /dev/* properly? |
| 19:59.03 | JordiGH | Uh, /dev? |
| 19:59.10 | JordiGH | Why do you want to copy /dev? Those aren't real files. |
| 19:59.15 | wils0n_ | There are reasons |
| 19:59.23 | wils0n_ | some people dont use udef |
| 19:59.23 | fantomas | JordiGH: I create fs |
| 19:59.26 | wils0n_ | errr udev |
| 19:59.33 | wils0n_ | isnt it cp -a ? |
| 19:59.35 | Dwonis | redondos: dpkg -l locales | grep ^.i |
| 19:59.47 | Dwonis | redondos: what version of locales do you have? |
| 19:59.54 | wils0n_ | not entirely sure |
| 19:59.56 | redondos | 2.3.18 |
| 20:00.45 | jelly-home | redondos: that's not a valid version for a Debian locales package. |
| 20:00.51 | Dwonis | redondos: are you running Xandros or Ubuntu or Knoppix or something that isn't exactly Debian? |
| 20:01.03 | redondos | Dwonis: Yes. (Please don't yell) |
| 20:01.18 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 20:01.18 | Dwonis | redondos: why shouldn't I yell? You deserve it. |
| 20:01.25 | stew | redondos: please find a channel appropriate for your distro |
| 20:01.30 | redondos | Actually, I tried the command on a real debian testing server and it worked. |
| 20:01.36 | redondos | So I guess you should have yelled. |
| 20:01.38 | redondos | Sorry. |
| 20:01.53 | jelly-home | redondos: just for fun, what distro is it? |
| 20:02.13 | Dwonis | redondos: Try looking in /etc/default/locales or /etc/environment. That's where the debian package ends up setting the locale |
| 20:02.15 | jelly-home | I just wonder who tampers with libc6. |
| 20:02.15 | redondos | jelly-home: ubuntu-server 6.06 |
| 20:02.33 | redondos | Dwonis: Very well, that shows it :) |
| 20:03.05 | Dwonis | redondos: of course, the debian package also *overwrites* /etc/default/locales, I think, so you might be better off to actually ask in #ubuntu how to properly set it |
| 20:03.12 | redondos | ok |
| 20:04.35 | jelly-home | I wish there had benn a Debian server distro 3 years ago. Vendors would have probably started supporting it about now. |
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| 20:05.24 | stew | jelly-home: what would be different? just the name? |
| 20:05.32 | redondos | hah |
| 20:05.58 | redondos | stew is right: debian *is* a server distribution. (and a desktop distro, and a workstation distro...) |
| 20:06.02 | jelly-home | stew: I meant, a Debian based distro with commercial support. |
| 20:06.10 | redondos | Oh, that's different :) |
| 20:06.19 | jelly-home | stew: yes, I would be happy if only the name was different. ;-) |
| 20:07.18 | JordiGH | So, if the nvidia X module is older than the kernel module... how do I update the X module? |
| 20:07.48 | stew | jelly-home: there are debian based distros with commercial support |
| 20:07.49 | jelly-home | redondos: it looks like it's pretty much a requirement for application vendors to start supporting it. |
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| 20:09.03 | wols | jelly-home: http://www.open-os.com is a pure debian and certified for IBM DB2 |
| 20:09.17 | jelly-home | stew: well, there's no debian based distro with HP or Qlogic support. |
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| 20:09.58 | disorder | JordiGH: nvidia-glx package |
| 20:10.07 | kyncani | !tell JordiGH about nvidia |
| 20:10.34 | fantomas | wils0n_: hehe, I used -a actually, but the reason of my problem was lack of inodes. I recreated ext2 with -N 20000 and now it works |
| 20:11.47 | stew | jelly-home: yes there is |
| 20:12.14 | JordiGH | disorder: Hm, seems I already have the newest nvidia-glx version. Still getting complaints about the X module being older than the kernel module. |
| 20:12.23 | jelly-home | stew: which one? |
| 20:12.32 | stew | jelly-home: how about ubuntu |
| 20:12.45 | jelly-home | stew: not there yet. |
| 20:12.53 | stew | ? |
| 20:12.55 | stew | forget it |
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| 20:14.03 | stoned | stew, how often are the other bots synced with dpkg? |
| 20:14.12 | jelly-home | stew: it's like this, we a SAN installation. The only distros with supported drivers that do failover are RH and suse, enterprise versions. Ubuntu is not in the list yet. |
| 20:14.53 | stew | stoned: aptitude: when i feel like it (i will be doing it nightly soon), and the others: never |
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| 20:15.11 | stoned | ok, useful information |
| 20:15.12 | stew | jelly-home: you said distros with commercial support, not hardware with support for distros |
| 20:15.12 | stoned | word. |
| 20:15.28 | jelly-home | stew: it might be if it survives a few years and gains a market share, that's why I remarked it would have been nice if it was available a few years back. |
| 20:15.37 | stoned | stew, and your search site? Is that usually always uptodte? |
| 20:15.44 | stoned | uptodate* |
| 20:15.45 | stew | stoned: that one is updated nightly |
| 20:15.50 | stoned | good, thanks |
| 20:16.10 | stew | stoned: once i get aptitude and the search site on the same machine, they will both be updated daily |
| 20:16.23 | JordiGH | Did I mention I'm an idiot? It's the kernel module that's older, not the X module. |
| 20:16.26 | b_jonas | wols: thanks for the pointer, I tried with knoppix it seems that the xorg i810 module indeed works. |
| 20:16.28 | jelly-home | stew: well, the hardware vendors seem only to support the commercial distros. nm. |
| 20:16.37 | b_jonas | So now I'll install xorg and make it the default |
| 20:16.40 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.00 | wols | b_jonas: so installing xorg is unecessary and a waste of time. but feel free |
| 20:17.35 | b_jonas | well, I tried the xfree86 i810 module didn't work with knoppix |
| 20:17.44 | wols | http://www.xfree86.org/current/i810.4.html |
| 20:17.59 | b_jonas | but the problem is that xfree86 didn't work with the vesa module either so I guess |
| 20:18.07 | b_jonas | knoppix prefers xorg or something |
| 20:18.36 | b_jonas | wols: hmm, |
| 20:18.40 | wols | everyone prefers xorg by now |
| 20:18.41 | b_jonas | strange |
| 20:19.29 | b_jonas | but I can't update xserver-xfree86 easily because I have the newest stable debian package, |
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| 20:19.38 | b_jonas | or is it some other package I should update? |
| 20:19.53 | abrotman | b_jonas: what is your video card? |
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| 20:20.57 | b_jonas | "0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 0e)" according to lspci |
| 20:21.09 | fiXXXerMe1 | What is the name of Debian's cyrus-sasl2 package? |
| 20:21.15 | abrotman | that won't work with sarge's Xfree and the i810 driver |
| 20:21.20 | abrotman | fiXXXerMe1: apt-cache search cyrus |
| 20:21.37 | abrotman | b_jonas: you'll need xorg or use the vesa driver |
| 20:21.37 | fiXXXerMe1 | sasl2-bin ? |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | !tell fiXXXerMe1 about search |
| 20:22.11 | b_jonas | abrotman: so why does the page "http://www.xfree86.org/current/i810.4.html" wols just pointed to list 915G |
| 20:22.24 | b_jonas | the manual page on my machine doesn't list it |
| 20:22.29 | stoned | abrotman, you proabbly know this, becasue you are into that music |
| 20:22.31 | b_jonas | but that one might be newer |
| 20:22.44 | abrotman | stoned: ? |
| 20:22.49 | stoned | abrotman, you know the movie Brother Where Art Thou, George Clooney sand the song, something soggy bottom boys |
| 20:22.53 | stoned | what genre would that be |
| 20:22.53 | abrotman | b_jonas: that's too new .. |
| 20:23.06 | stoned | "Im a man of constant sorrow, I've seen trouble in my day" |
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| 20:23.07 | abrotman | bluegrass .. i think .. i'm not sure i've heard the song |
| 20:23.08 | stoned | etch. |
| 20:23.15 | stoned | its awesome man, check it out |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | stoned: moment |
| 20:23.30 | stoned | sure sure |
| 20:23.31 | b_jonas | ok, anyway it doesn't work and it does work with i810 |
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| 20:23.43 | abrotman | stoned: http://www.last.fm/music/The+Soggy+Bottom+Boys/+tags |
| 20:23.45 | b_jonas | so how can I install xorg? |
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| 20:23.49 | stew | stoned: that song is on a mix that my wife keeps putting on, i've been hearing it near daily |
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| 20:24.16 | abrotman | stoned: looks like folk/bluegrass |
| 20:24.19 | ryan` | How the heck do i figure out what grub calls my SCSI drive? |
| 20:24.24 | stoned | stew, my fiancee sent me the song and the info about it, I saw the movie, man I am addicted to that song now |
| 20:24.25 | stoned | lol |
| 20:24.26 | JordiGH | Woohoo. Got nvidia and X working now. Next problem (love, love, love dist-ugrade) fonts are broken. |
| 20:24.26 | b_jonas | there's no package with "xorg" in its name |
| 20:24.50 | zinx | b_jonas: if you're using sarge, i wouldn't recommend installing x.org |
| 20:24.53 | stoned | abrotman, yeah I was thinking along the lines of folk, so I asked ya |
| 20:24.57 | abrotman | b_jonas: you'll eithger have to upgrade to etch or use backports |
| 20:25.06 | abrotman | stoned: i'm sure i've heard it .. but i wouldn't recognize it :) |
| 20:25.15 | abrotman | stoned: though .. i thought that was a cover |
| 20:25.25 | stoned | it is |
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| 20:25.41 | JordiGH | Aha. Here is my problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2003/09/msg00066.html |
| 20:25.46 | stoned | Soggy bottom boys sang it, but clooney covered in the movie |
| 20:26.01 | abrotman | stoned: are you sure that "I am a Man of Constant Sorrow" is the same as dylan's? |
| 20:26.09 | stoned | ont sure at all |
| 20:26.12 | stoned | not*( |
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| 20:26.16 | abrotman | or joan baez .. which ever |
| 20:26.17 | stoned | fucking keyboard |
| 20:26.21 | Renesansa | where is debconf discussion going ? |
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| 20:26.29 | abrotman | Renesansa: huh? |
| 20:26.33 | abrotman | streuner: where is it? |
| 20:26.51 | b_jonas | yes, I use sarge. so xorg isn't stable on it? |
| 20:27.03 | Renesansa | where is #debconf-team |
| 20:27.05 | abrotman | xorg is not on sarge |
| 20:27.17 | stew | /topic |
| 20:27.26 | stoned | b_jonas, if you are not runing a production server, you might consider Etch/testing for a desktop |
| 20:27.31 | Soeki_real | how can i add myself to the www-data group? |
| 20:27.39 | abrotman | Renesansa: try oftc.net/irc.debian.org |
| 20:27.41 | Soeki_real | so i can access it via ftp? |
| 20:27.42 | stoned | b_jonas, it is fairly stable, and its due release in a few months time |
| 20:27.43 | stew | Soeki_real: adduser username groupname |
| 20:27.52 | b_jonas | hmm |
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| 20:28.05 | abrotman | b_jonas: this is what wols should have pointed you at .. http://www.xfree86.org/4.4.0/i810.4.html |
| 20:28.06 | Soeki_real | stew if i already exist as an user? |
| 20:28.07 | stoned | so etch might be a better desktop for you, but of course, if it is a server, plese don't use anything but stable |
| 20:28.13 | stew | Soeki_real: yes |
| 20:28.15 | Soeki_real | oh ok ok |
| 20:28.16 | JordiGH | Strangely enough, the only dpkg did to my xorg.conf file was to remove font files. Huh? |
| 20:28.23 | b_jonas | this is my home machine, but I'll have to think before installing an unstable distro |
| 20:28.37 | stoned | b_jonas, testing != unstable |
| 20:28.53 | alex___ | pfft |
| 20:28.57 | redondos | How should I make it so when adding a new user, he gets a ~/public_html symlink to /var/www/users/$USERNAME? |
| 20:29.03 | alex___ | is mysql 5 and postgresql 8 in stable? |
| 20:29.10 | abrotman | b_jonas: there are backports for sarge that include xorg |
| 20:29.12 | abrotman | alex___: no |
| 20:29.13 | JordiGH | redondos: Can't you put it in /etc/skel? |
| 20:29.19 | alex___ | then stable won' |
| 20:29.21 | b_jonas | abrotman: ah, so that's the correct manpage |
| 20:29.31 | alex___ | then stable won't work for most of my servers =/ |
| 20:29.31 | redondos | JordiGH: Ok, but what exactlywould you put in the skel dir? |
| 20:29.45 | pzn | Hi. I'd like to get the debian kernel 2.6.16-2-k7, change only a single file on its source and recompile as debian package, with the same config as it is debian default package. I intend to do "apt-get source; vi file.c; dpkg-buildpackage". is there a better way to do what I need? |
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| 20:30.00 | JordiGH | redondos: Oh, uhm... no, you'll need to modify your useradd scripts, because each user gets a different symlink. |
| 20:30.12 | redondos | That's right. |
| 20:30.13 | SerajewelKS | i think a stream that i'm ripping with streamripper drops the connection every half hour, but streamripper is not reconnecting -- even though the manpage says that it aggressively tries to reconnect on a dropped stream. why is this? |
| 20:30.24 | stew | redondos: why not just use mod_rewrite? |
| 20:30.48 | b_jonas | dunno. I'll think for some time what I'd do. I might also buy a real video card and then the problem's gone as a side effect |
| 20:30.51 | redondos | stew: Because /var/www is a separate partition. |
| 20:30.57 | stew | redondos: that doens't matter |
| 20:30.59 | abrotman | Renesansa: did you find it ? |
| 20:31.00 | JordiGH | redondos: Make that the adduser script. |
| 20:31.16 | SerajewelKS | the line i'm using is: streamripper $url -d $destdir -s -a $filename -A -l $((60 * 24 * $hours)) |
| 20:32.17 | redondos | stew: How, then? |
| 20:33.21 | stew | redondos: something like: RewriteCond :%{REQUEST_URI}} ^/~ \n RewriteRule ^/~([^/]+)/?(.*)$ /var/www/users/$1/$2 [L] |
| 20:33.37 | stew | redondos: read about mod_rewrite on apache.org maybe |
| 20:33.44 | SerajewelKS | redondos: what's wrong with using mod_user |
| 20:34.01 | stew | redondos: yeah, actaully mod_user should work fine for what you are doing |
| 20:34.02 | redondos | stew: Yes, that's fine. But that was not what I asked. I want to know how the ~/public_html symlink can be auto-generated. |
| 20:34.12 | redondos | serpent Oh, ok. I'll read about that, thanks. |
| 20:34.17 | SerajewelKS | redondos: mod_user is what you want |
| 20:34.23 | b_jonas | thanks for the help, abrotman, wols, and everyone else |
| 20:34.45 | SerajewelKS | redondos: you should just be able to do 'a2enmod user' as root, and it will Just Work like you are doing right now |
| 20:34.52 | abrotman | !tell b_jonas about backports |
| 20:34.59 | SerajewelKS | redondos: unless your home directories are not world-readable |
| 20:35.11 | redondos | SerajewelKS: Isn't it mod_userdir? |
| 20:35.18 | SerajewelKS | redondos: that might be it, yeah |
| 20:35.21 | redondos | k, thanks. |
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| 20:35.34 | redondos | It said it was already enabled. |
| 20:36.03 | stew | redondos: if you really need that symlink, you'll have to edit the adduser script afaik |
| 20:36.07 | SerajewelKS | redondos: do mkdir ~/public_html; touch ~/public_html/test.html; and see what happens when you go to http://localhost/~the_user/test.html |
| 20:36.18 | redondos | I don't think you guys are interpreting my question ok. mod_userdir was already enabled, and apache is able to show http://server/~user directories. |
| 20:36.19 | redondos | ok, stew, thank you. |
| 20:36.23 | redondos | Yes, that already worked, SerajewelKS. |
| 20:36.32 | redondos | It's ok, I'll look into the adduser script. |
| 20:36.35 | SerajewelKS | redondos: okay. it sounds like that's what you're trying to do though. |
| 20:37.07 | stew | redondos: a generic way of having adduser call a script defined in adduser.conf might be a welcome patch |
| 20:37.07 | SerajewelKS | oh you know what, i think streamripper is *halving* the amount of seconds i give it |
| 20:37.15 | SerajewelKS | it should be recording for 1 hour, and it's recording to 25 minutes |
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| 20:37.26 | SerajewelKS | when i was recording for three hours it would record for about 1:30 and then die |
| 20:37.30 | redondos | stew: nice! that's a great tip, thansk. |
| 20:37.35 | redondos | s/sk/ks/ |
| 20:37.48 | SerajewelKS | redondos: what exactly are you trying to do |
| 20:38.26 | redondos | SerajewelKS: When a user is added, I want a public_html symlink to be created in his/her home directory. That link should point to /var/www/$USERNAME. |
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| 20:38.35 | redondos | Of course the latter directory should be auto-created. |
| 20:38.57 | JordiGH | Does anyone speak (I think) Danish? I need a translation: http://www.sslug.dk/emailarkiv/emacs/2003_10/msg00000.html |
| 20:39.34 | SerajewelKS | redondos: but why? |
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| 20:40.06 | abrotman | JordiGH: babelfish |
| 20:40.36 | abrotman | bah .. no danish |
| 20:40.50 | JordiGH | Maybe freetranslation... |
| 20:41.25 | redondos | erxz_paste: Because /var/www is a separate partition. I want every web directory in the system to be stored there. So, the virtual hosts can be in /var/www/<whatever> and the users in /var/www/users/<whatever>. |
| 20:41.37 | redondos | err, that was for you, SerajewelKS |
| 20:41.40 | SerajewelKS | is there any good reason why streamripper would be running for half of the time i tell it to with -l? |
| 20:42.06 | SerajewelKS | redondos: oh okay... then the adduser/useradd script should do that trick. but why do you need mod_rewrite? |
| 20:42.14 | Soeki_real | hmm i have an proftp server on my sarge box, it has 192.168.0.100 ip and i have 2121 mapped on gateway (192.168.0.1) to port 21 on sarge box. for a extrange reazon i get an error retrieving the directory... anyone knows about it? |
| 20:42.32 | redondos | SerajewelKS: I don't, that was just something stew suggested. But I guess he wasn't understanding the question back then. |
| 20:42.37 | stoned | ravenbird, gu |
| 20:42.39 | stoned | dig |
| 20:42.40 | SerajewelKS | redondos: oh ok |
| 20:42.40 | ravenbird | gu is, like, Guam |
| 20:42.41 | stoned | fucking keybaord |
| 20:42.47 | stoned | badgers, you there? |
| 20:42.51 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:42.58 | stoned | apt, hi |
| 20:42.58 | apt | hola |
| 20:43.00 | stoned | ok |
| 20:43.16 | JordiGH | No Danish in freetranslation either. What time is it in Denmark anyways? |
| 20:44.09 | RrodolfoS | how can use a .xsession that no override the Xsession in etc |
| 20:44.10 | disorder | JordiGH: 22:45 |
| 20:44.19 | RrodolfoS | sorry for my english... |
| 20:44.42 | stoned | is badgers a bot? and if so, is it ever online? |
| 20:45.12 | JordiGH | RrodolfoS: Puedes poner en cada directorio hogar una .xsession diferente. |
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| 20:45.29 | JordiGH | RrodolfoS: You can put a different .xsession in each home directory. |
| 20:46.46 | RrodolfoS | JordiGH: you write very good the spanish!!!, the problem is that i need lauch firefox after the x server startup... |
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| 20:46.57 | ryan` | I'm getting '/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file' on sarge, but /dev/console exists. |
| 20:47.13 | ryan` | then a kernel panic |
| 20:47.22 | RrodolfoS | JordiGH: i can use a .xsession but after run firefox no launch a gnome.. |
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| 20:48.12 | JordiGH | RrodolfoS: Claro que escribo bien español. Es mi primera lengua. (Of course I write Spanish well. It's my first language.) In Gnome, you should be able to save session and have it load each time. |
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| 20:49.40 | JordiGH | The GNOME session manager should do it. |
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| 20:49.48 | ace_ | hi. |
| 20:50.18 | ace_ | i can't mount my cdrom as ordinary user, though i have "user" in the according entry in my fstab :( |
| 20:51.24 | JordiGH | ace_: not sure it matters, but what are the permissions on the mount point? |
| 20:51.32 | WoodyWoodpecker | fetchmail fetches my mail, but places it in /var/mail/_username_ but I have $MAIL=/home/_username_/Mail/incoming . How can this be? |
| 20:51.54 | WoodyWoodpecker | ace_: Use pmount /dev/hd? cdrom |
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| 20:52.25 | abrotman | sng: are you going to denver? |
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| 20:52.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | Use '' dmesg | grep cdrom '' to find out what device you are using for your cdrom drive. |
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| 20:53.12 | ace_ | JordiGH: 644 |
| 20:53.39 | RrodolfoS | JordiGH: ok, si entiendes claramente voy en español que es mas facil para mi, es una maquina que va a tener un directorio de un centro comercial, no va a tener teclado, ni mouse, solo un touch screen, en vez de gnome pienso unar fluxbox, gnome es mucho para lo que necesito... |
| 20:53.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | ryan`: chmod 600 /dev/console && chown root:root /dev/console |
| 20:54.07 | JordiGH | RrodolfoS: They're going to tell us to go to #debian-es. Send me a /query instead. |
| 20:54.11 | ace_ | WoodyWoodpecker: hmm. that works. but kde's symbol doesnt. and mount /cdrom claims: Must be superuser to use mount |
| 20:54.13 | WoodyWoodpecker | JordiGH: Your permission must be under /media/ and this has to be 755 |
| 20:54.25 | stoned | stew, may I msg you? |
| 20:54.29 | JordiGH | ace_: My mount point has 755. |
| 20:54.31 | RrodolfoS | JordiGH: ok.. |
| 20:54.32 | WoodyWoodpecker | ace_: You must be superuse to mount stuff _not_ written in /etc/fstab |
| 20:54.39 | WoodyWoodpecker | pmount is just a wrapper around mount. |
| 20:54.49 | ace_ | but the stuff IS written into fstab. and i don't have pmount |
| 20:54.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | s/superuse/superuser/ |
| 20:55.17 | ace_ | 755 doesn't help either |
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| 20:55.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | Then you need the right permission from / downgoin to where ever your mount point is. |
| 20:56.10 | WoodyWoodpecker | And your option ''user'' must be set also. |
| 20:56.14 | ace_ | it is |
| 20:56.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | What is the error message? |
| 20:56.41 | RrodolfoS | JordiGH: i can't see u.. |
| 20:57.05 | ace_ | As i told: Must be superuser to use mount. Kde claims the same |
| 20:57.28 | ace_ | i'm in the cdrom-group, too |
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| 20:58.44 | WoodyWoodpecker | Print ls -lhd /where/ever/your/mount/point/is |
| 20:59.18 | ace_ | its 755 |
| 20:59.29 | WoodyWoodpecker | And what are the owner/group settings? |
| 20:59.48 | JordiGH | RrodolfoS: I sent you a /msg. Did you get it? |
| 20:59.53 | ace_ | WoodyWoodpecker: root.users |
| 21:00.08 | WoodyWoodpecker | Are you in the users group? |
| 21:00.20 | ace_ | yes |
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| 21:01.18 | WoodyWoodpecker | relogin |
| 21:01.30 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or source the files. |
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| 21:02.08 | RrodolfoS | JordiGH: yes, but i think that you can´t read me |
| 21:02.22 | ricochet | how can I find what user is running a process that is taking up a port? I see the netstat man page seems to say it should output user information, but I don't see that happening |
| 21:02.26 | abrotman | fuser |
| 21:02.30 | abrotman | or lsof |
| 21:02.36 | ace_ | hmm. wtf.. i made it. chmod u+s /bin/mount did it... :( |
| 21:02.36 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: netstat -p |
| 21:02.36 | WoodyWoodpecker | RrodolfoS: You need to register you nick, then it is possible. |
| 21:02.38 | ace_ | is this still secure? |
| 21:02.47 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: then 'ps axu' on that process |
| 21:02.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | ace_: That is not what you need. No insecure. |
| 21:03.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | What is the permission on /dev/hd? |
| 21:03.13 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: in your case you want netstat -tnlp |
| 21:03.17 | JordiGH | Remind me, what does the sticky bit do? |
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| 21:03.25 | Dwonis | ace_: /bin/mount is supposed to be suid root |
| 21:03.31 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: -unlp for UDP |
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| 21:03.50 | ace_ | WoodyWoodpecker: /dev/hdc is 644 root.root |
| 21:04.01 | Dwonis | JordiGH: for directories, it prevents users from deleting other users' files, even if the user normally has write permission to the dir |
| 21:04.07 | ricochet | SerajewelKS: yeah.. I found that in the man page, but it just prints "-" for all the usernames... |
| 21:04.08 | Dwonis | JordiGH: for files, nothing anymore |
| 21:04.16 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: because you aren't root |
| 21:04.29 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: if you're not root you will see "-" for processes that you don't own |
| 21:04.31 | b_jonas | abortman: so, basically, does this mean that a backport is when I install a source deb package not in the debian release I am using? |
| 21:04.34 | WoodyWoodpecker | ace_: chown root:cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 21:04.34 | Dwonis | JordiGH: /tmp is insecure without the sticky bit set |
| 21:04.42 | abrotman | b_jonas: in your case .. i'd use backports.org |
| 21:04.48 | abrotman | b_jonas: but to answer your question .. yes |
| 21:04.52 | Dwonis | JordiGH: see "STICKY DIRECTORIES" in man chmod |
| 21:05.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: Only if you don't have it on a seperate partition. |
| 21:05.13 | JordiGH | Thanks, Dwonis. |
| 21:05.16 | ricochet | SerajewelKS: oh. hmpf. well someone is using one of my ports on a machine I don't have root on... any other way to see who is bound to a port? |
| 21:05.23 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: what difference does that make? |
| 21:05.37 | abrotman | Maulkin: did they pick a locale today? |
| 21:05.44 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: uhm... connect to it, send a crapload of data, and watch 'top' to see if it starts to burn CPU? |
| 21:05.44 | ace_ | WoodyWoodpecker: what about usb-sticks? They work now, too. Just chmod .cdrom them too? |
| 21:05.50 | b_jonas | does backports.org have pre-built backports? |
| 21:05.58 | abrotman | yep |
| 21:05.59 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: other than that you don't really have any options. except to get root. |
| 21:06.00 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: you *need* the sticky bit on /tmp. Period. |
| 21:06.00 | ryan` | Anyone know how to make tar work properly with symlinks? |
| 21:06.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | You can't fill it up with random data. |
| 21:06.08 | ricochet | SerajewelKS: :) ok. thanks for your help |
| 21:06.16 | SerajewelKS | ricochet: np |
| 21:06.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: I know you do. |
| 21:06.18 | b_jonas | nice. |
| 21:06.23 | b_jonas | I'll try that |
| 21:06.33 | b_jonas | because building X would take ages |
| 21:06.43 | ryan` | I untar this darn archive, and i have empty fiules with permissions 000 where i had symlinks |
| 21:06.46 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: what do you mean with this, then? "<WoodyWoodpecker> Dwonis: Only if you don't have it on a seperate partition." |
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| 21:07.01 | abrotman | b_jonas: PLEASE read the instructions on the backports.org site |
| 21:07.06 | Maulkin | abrotman: It's in progress now. |
| 21:07.11 | Maulkin | abrotman: Shoudn't be long |
| 21:07.19 | b_jonas | sure, I will |
| 21:07.29 | WoodyWoodpecker | ace_: No it has to be a block device, not written in /etc/fstab and it has to be removable. Only then it works with pmount. |
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| 21:07.36 | Maulkin | abrotman: please "/msg maulkin tell me the result" to remind me to tell you |
| 21:07.46 | abrotman | Maulkin: oh sure .. on the night i have an eye appointment :) |
| 21:07.47 | ace_ | still i have no pmount. |
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| 21:07.59 | ace_ | and i have all the things i want to mount in my fstab, all with "users" |
| 21:08.08 | stoned | abrotman, man I need glasses, I noticed, I can't read things far away now |
| 21:08.09 | meriad | hmm |
| 21:08.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: I read about security issues and a workaround if you put in on a seperate partitions. |
| 21:08.20 | abrotman | stoned: go now before you wait too long |
| 21:08.25 | meriad | i left my wallet and bus tickets at my gfs this morning :| |
| 21:08.30 | stoned | yeah, I don't want it to get worse |
| 21:08.33 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: That's a different security issue. |
| 21:08.35 | WoodyWoodpecker | But I don't really remember what the issues where about :-/ |
| 21:08.45 | meriad | hehhhh |
| 21:09.08 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: Propably. What security issues do you know about /tmp ? |
| 21:09.11 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: You don't need *quotas* on /tmp if you have it on a separate partition (although realistically, the problem still exists, just in a different form, without quotas) |
| 21:09.35 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: I was talking about the sticky bit on /tmp |
| 21:09.59 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: without the sticky bit, /tmp becomes one big massive insecure temporary file creation vulnerability |
| 21:10.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | Yeah, quotes are clear. |
| 21:10.32 | WoodyWoodpecker | How should it get that big a security issue whithout +t? |
| 21:10.49 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: ever heard of symlink attacks? |
| 21:10.55 | zinx | WoodyWoodpecker: suddenly anyone can delete files |
| 21:11.14 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: Step 1. you create /tmp/foo |
| 21:11.25 | WoodyWoodpecker | Oh you mean the people in the same group as you. Off course. |
| 21:11.31 | zinx | WoodyWoodpecker: i mean anyone. |
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| 21:11.40 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: Step 2. I delete /tmp/foo, and replace it with a symlink to /home/you/.gnupg/secring.gpg |
| 21:11.48 | zinx | WoodyWoodpecker: 'nobody' could delete the files. |
| 21:11.57 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: Step 3. you open /tmp/foo for writing, and write some junk there |
| 21:12.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | Wait. chmod o-w /tmp/foo then they are not able to delete them. |
| 21:12.04 | zinx | WoodyWoodpecker: what +t does is make it so only the owner can delete them |
| 21:12.06 | zinx | WoodyWoodpecker: No. |
| 21:12.14 | b_jonas | abrotman: uh, those isntructions are wierd because it says that I have to edit /etc/apt/preferences, but I don't have such a file and the apt manpages don't seem to mention it either |
| 21:12.20 | JordiGH | I was wondering about this. Current setup right now in my school network is one windows box with a /tmp directory where anyone in the school can read and write. What would be an equally convenient way to share files more safely? |
| 21:12.25 | Dwonis | b_jonas: man apt_preferences |
| 21:12.33 | abrotman | b_jonas: create it |
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| 21:12.41 | b_jonas | ah, I tried just man preferences |
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| 21:13.01 | Soeki_real | can someone help me configure proftpd so it can be reached from the outside? its behind a nat. i forwarded port 21 to 192.168.0.100 and it doesnt work too well. |
| 21:13.05 | JordiGH | I thought it would be good if files were only writeable by owner by default, but viewable by all in /tmp. And that it should be easy to explain to users how to make a particular directory world-writable. |
| 21:13.21 | b_jonas | man apt and man sources.list don't have it in their see also |
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| 21:13.39 | PepperBob | hi all! |
| 21:13.46 | b_jonas | ok, I'll create it |
| 21:13.48 | Dwonis | JordiGH: that is the case, by default, as long as your umask is set appropriately |
| 21:13.51 | PepperBob | is anyone here running a linux server in a windows environment? |
| 21:14.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | zinx: Dwonis: Then how can you controll the write access over a symlink? |
| 21:14.13 | Dwonis | !tell PepperBob -about ask |
| 21:14.21 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or is it not even able to handle those security issues? |
| 21:14.23 | Soeki_real | !proftpd |
| 21:14.23 | dpkg | methinks proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. Latest version is available in slink. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. or down or something or dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... apparently the version in slink has several, as well. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
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| 21:15.25 | JordiGH | cd /mercurio |
| 21:15.26 | JordiGH | ls |
| 21:15.27 | b_jonas | JordiGH: in fact, the sticky bit on /tmp means that only the owner or root can delete or mess with other user's files |
| 21:15.41 | stoned | JordiGH, here's one. rm -rd /bin/laden |
| 21:15.42 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: /tmp is normally world-writable. This WOULD mean that anyone can create, rename, and delete any of the files in /tmp. However, the sticky bit makes it so that you can only create, rename, and delete files you OWN. |
| 21:15.42 | JordiGH | Er, wrong window. Sorry. |
| 21:15.42 | stoned | :/ |
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| 21:16.32 | b_jonas | JordiGH: "in that windows box"? |
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| 21:16.43 | Soeki_real | :( |
| 21:17.00 | stranger_stone | Hello. |
| 21:17.28 | jelly-home | "Latest version is available in slink."? |
| 21:17.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: Ok. Lets say you used a symlink attack to overwrite my .ssh or .gpg . I wonder if there is a way for _me_ to controll write access if you write to the /tmp/symlink. |
| 21:17.41 | JordiGH | b_jonas: The Beast From Redmond controls a network server in here. Our sysadmin is lazy, so instead of providing a proper network with users and permissions, simply has instead a box with a world-writeable /tmp directory where people can put stuff. |
| 21:18.37 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: I'm not sure I understand. Even if I create a symlink in /tmp pointing to your files, I can't necessarily use that symlink to access those files. The idea behind the symlink is to make *you* accidentally follow the link and overwrite your own files. |
| 21:19.12 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: or, perhaps more often, read your own files and send the contents to me (think about a CGI script or something) |
| 21:19.45 | b_jonas | hmm |
| 21:19.49 | b_jonas | that sucks |
| 21:19.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: I understand the use of a symlink. I just don't see how I could permit lets call it _non_symlink_writing to the files it is showing? |
| 21:20.06 | jelly-home | !proftpd |
| 21:20.06 | dpkg | proftpd is, like, a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. or down or something or dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... try using vsftpd if you don't need all any proftpd specific features. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
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| 21:20.17 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: omg. Now I understand |
| 21:20.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | fuu. Absolutly clear. Sorry, for bodering you. |
| 21:20.51 | JordiGH | b_jonas: Once, in a fit of childish vandalism, I created a directory /tmp/setup/a/proper/network and moved everything into that directory. :-) |
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| 21:21.05 | b_jonas | he's so lazy that he made the directory 0777 instead of 01777? |
| 21:21.10 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: No problem. Security holes sometimes take a few minutes to grasp. :) |
| 21:21.31 | JordiGH | b_jonas: I don't think that other operating system even knows what 0777 means. |
| 21:21.32 | jelly-home | b_jonas: it's a windows admin, you expect him to know about the sticky bit? |
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| 21:21.51 | jelly-home | even if it's somehow supported. |
| 21:22.03 | b_jonas | jelly-home: no, I expect him to copy the permission from another machine's /tmp |
| 21:22.03 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Strangely enough, get this. The admin is a big OpenBSD freak. So much for security. |
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| 21:22.22 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: yeah. I read about the issues a long time ago and now I that I use selinux I don't have use of this anymore :D thanks for helping btw |
| 21:22.42 | b_jonas | JordiGH: ah, so that's on a windows machine which makes permission management difficult |
| 21:22.43 | Dwonis | jelly-home: as far as I know, NTFS only supports hard links, and it's undocumented, and I think it only works on directories (and explorer.exe will do 'interesting' things if you try to delete a directory hard link) |
| 21:23.09 | JordiGH | b_jonas: I understand that The Unholy OS is able to handle permissions gracefully, just not by default. |
| 21:23.11 | b_jonas | anyway, I had that childish urge too |
| 21:23.35 | b_jonas | I sometimes messed with files someone accidentally made writeable |
| 21:23.58 | jelly-home | Dwonis: ntfs actually has more advanced ACLs than linux stuff, but these features are just not mapped too well to smbfs. maybe cifs is better, I dunno. |
| 21:24.16 | b_jonas | yes, I know |
| 21:24.29 | b_jonas | but then I can understand that he's lazy to set them |
| 21:24.42 | b_jonas | or more probably just ignorant |
| 21:24.44 | Dwonis | jelly-home: I'm aware of NTFS's ACL support, but I still don't think Windows has support for symlinks. |
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| 21:25.56 | Dwonis | b_jonas: personally, if I were the admin, I wouldn't bother with too much security in a shared space (unless it's *needed*, and then I'd have per-user folders instead of a shared space), since it's Windows anyway, and users will probably just work around whatever I try to implement. |
| 21:26.13 | jelly-home | Dwonis: dunno. cygwin has them though. Let me check what they look like in explorer. |
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| 21:26.26 | Dwonis | jelly-home: cygwin fakes them. I checked. |
| 21:26.34 | JordiGH | Dwonis: Apparently users do care about their files in that space. After my harmless vandalism, emails flew around, "who did this?" |
| 21:26.58 | Dwonis | JordiGH: Obviously it wasn't harmless =) |
| 21:27.01 | JordiGH | Dwonis: They moved everything back to the way it was. |
| 21:28.16 | JordiGH | Huh, the debconf package for xserver doesn't ask resolutions anymore? |
| 21:28.21 | JordiGH | xserver-xorg |
| 21:28.44 | ryan` | Anyone? |
| 21:28.53 | Dwonis | JordiGH: Shouldn't it be able to detect it via EDID? |
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| 21:29.16 | ryan` | Tar just seems messed up. I tar stuff, and it changes my symlinks to empty files |
| 21:29.22 | b_jonas | users care about everything, that's not a reason for the sysadmin to do something about it :) |
| 21:29.54 | Soeki_real | can someone help me configure proftpd so it can be reached from the outside? its behind a nat. i forwarded port 21 to 192.168.0.100 and it doesnt work too well. |
| 21:30.24 | jelly-home | We have a world-writable dir (suspiciously called mp3-incoming ;-) exported from a Linux machine and mounted on another Linux as cifs, and it has a sticky bit set. |
| 21:30.45 | JordiGH | Dwonis: I remember debconf being more inquisitive. It asked *something* about your monitor's resolution and refresh rates. Not anymore, it seems. I just dist-upgraded. |
| 21:31.05 | Dwonis | JordiGH: Is this with dpkg-reconfigure or just on install? |
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| 21:31.11 | b_jonas | ryan`: I don't know. that shouldn't happen I think unless you use some compatibility tar format or some special option |
| 21:31.20 | JordiGH | Dwonis: dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 21:31.23 | b_jonas | if you create the archive with gnu tar at least |
| 21:31.50 | b_jonas | it might have been created by some lesser tar which doesn't understand symlinks |
| 21:32.16 | JordiGH | Dwonis: And I was careful to hide the old xorg.conf file, so that it couldn't have known what the refresh rates could have been by reading it. |
| 21:32.20 | b_jonas | Dwonis: does it ask about anything at all or just doesn't ask about resolution? |
| 21:32.51 | Dwonis | b_jonas, ryan: If the symlinks point to outside the archive (e.g. if they're absolute symlinks), you need to extract using a special flag. |
| 21:33.11 | b_jonas | Dwonis: ah, I didn't know that |
| 21:33.14 | JordiGH | Uh, if I have an x-server running in tty 7 and start another in tty 8, the new X server will have to re-read xorg.conf, right? |
| 21:33.28 | stoned | JordiGH, yes |
| 21:33.42 | stoned | JordiGH, if you modify it, the new X instance will read the new settings |
| 21:34.07 | JordiGH | stoned: Right, thanks for the sanity check. My fonts are still broken. :-( |
| 21:34.15 | stoned | JordiGH, sid? |
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| 21:34.41 | b_jonas | pity some window managers hate when you start two instances of them as the same user on the same computer |
| 21:34.45 | b_jonas | especially gnome |
| 21:34.59 | JordiGH | stoned: Mixed system, testing/unstable. I've seen a lot of posts online with problems similar to mine, but their solutions haven't helped. |
| 21:35.01 | stoned | my :0 runs local desktop, while :1 imports my kde session from lappy |
| 21:35.13 | stoned | umm, you know mixing isn't good |
| 21:35.15 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:36.01 | JordiGH | stoned: I probably need to update something to unstable, then. |
| 21:36.35 | Dwonis | stoned: works fine for me, except when something breaks spectacularly |
| 21:36.48 | stoned | Dwonis, thats what I am talking about, in his case, fonts :) |
| 21:37.17 | Dwonis | stoned: ah. I remember having to do something to get fonts working, I think. I don't remember what, though/ |
| 21:37.31 | JordiGH | Yeah, nothing has broken spectularly for me. During my semestral dist-upgrade, I've run into three problems so far: grub looking for stuff in the wrong partition, conflicting versions of nvidia modules, and now, font problems. |
| 21:37.32 | stoned | JordiGH, what exactly is the problem? |
| 21:37.53 | stoned | JordiGH, what font problems specifically? |
| 21:37.53 | Dwonis | I also don't use dist-upgrade. I carefully choose my dependencies in aptitude when something is broken |
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| 21:39.46 | b_jonas | gnome won't even start twice iirc, while icewm will but seems to have minor problems. |
| 21:40.01 | Dwonis | I should really stop using a mixed system, since I originally did it for stability's sake... |
| 21:40.26 | JordiGH | stoned: This is pretty much my problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg00281.html |
| 21:40.52 | JordiGH | Except that I'm not using sarge. |
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| 21:41.42 | Ronin | mixed system and stability in the same sentence? |
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| 21:41.54 | JordiGH | Dwonis: That's my rationale too. I use testing and get stuff from unstable only when absolutely necessary. Perhaps it was wrong-headed to do so. |
| 21:42.00 | kepht | are there any mirrors available for the previous stable:woody ? |
| 21:42.11 | stoned | hmm, I actually have no idea |
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| 21:42.57 | stoned | but mixing packages isn't a big deal if you know what you are doing. Though if you just run sid, you don't need to do that, then again, unstable can cause shit anyway, anytime, without warning. Always use listchanges and listbugs |
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| 21:46.24 | Jikbag | Ping |
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| 21:46.39 | JordiGH | Pong. |
| 21:46.50 | Set | Hey. I'm using etch and I need to know what GCC version it uses |
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| 21:47.13 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.13 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.19 | JordiGH | as told by apt-cache policy. |
| 21:47.52 | JordiGH | Yep, I use an MIT Debian mirror. Oops. :-) |
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| 21:49.44 | evilgeek | 4.1, IIRC. |
| 21:49.48 | beardy | !tell Set -about search |
| 21:50.50 | JordiGH | evilgeek: 4.0.3 in etch. 4.1.1 in sid. |
| 21:51.21 | Set | that's a shame. I'm trying to compile a source dedicated server |
| 21:51.27 | JordiGH | By the way, in the Debian version-numbering scheme, there's often a number after a dash, e.g. 4.0.3-4 in this case. What's that? The 4th Debian build? |
| 21:51.40 | JordiGH | Set: Which version do you want? |
| 21:52.07 | WoodyWoodpecker | JordiGH: yes |
| 21:52.08 | Set | 3.4.1 or above on the 3.x branch. |
| 21:52.27 | JordiGH | Set: Etch still has the 3.4 branch, if you want it. |
| 21:52.39 | Set | that's good :) I just apt-get it? |
| 21:52.53 | Set | I also want Xerces XML parser (http://xml.apache.org/xerces-c/) 2.6.0 or above. |
| 21:53.02 | Set | and GLIBC 2.3.2 or above. |
| 21:53.13 | JordiGH | Set: Yes. apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 21:53.47 | JordiGH | Set: It's 3.4.6, if you want to be specific, but the .6 isn't part of the package name. |
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| 21:54.14 | Set | JordiGH: thank you :) downloading now |
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| 21:56.24 | stoned | !package basics |
| 21:56.25 | dpkg | it has been said that package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 21:56.34 | Set | what is GLIBC 2.3.2 or above. ? |
| 21:56.52 | stoned | that also explains how packages are versioned. It is packageversion:revision:softwareversion:revision |
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| 21:58.52 | jelly-home | Set: You have it in Debian. Look for the version of libc6 package. |
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| 21:59.21 | JordiGH | Argh, even the Google Groups interface encourages top-posting. Nobody believed that Annakin could be corrupted either when he was a kid, but, well, there you have it. The signs are there. |
| 21:59.56 | stoned | "They call me... Darth Balls!" Bong! |
| 22:00.28 | Serinity | Sounds like an AC/DC song |
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| 22:00.42 | stoned | its actually Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back |
| 22:00.52 | stoned | its a Kevin Smith flim |
| 22:01.02 | JordiGH | Google is going to be a great evil some day... even greater than Willy Portals. |
| 22:01.06 | Serinity | Ah, sorry, didn't see it |
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| 22:02.09 | RvGaTe | this is strange, everything seems to work except browsing the internet |
| 22:02.27 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: Is port 80 open? |
| 22:02.48 | RvGaTe | JordiGH, yes it is, nothing changed, just happened suddenly |
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| 22:03.28 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: Is your ISP/sysadmin yanking your chain, perhaps? |
| 22:03.45 | RvGaTe | JordiGH, probably, cant check now, its 0.03 am... |
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| 22:04.40 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: My sysadmin blocks my web access at exactly 23:00. Luckily, I can ssh into another machine in the local network that still has web access, if I really need to. :-) |
| 22:05.07 | beardy | JordiGH: Why? His way of fun? |
| 22:05.11 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 22:06.16 | RvGaTe | anyway this sucks... |
| 22:06.39 | JordiGH | beardy: Don't know. It's a strange, strange network here. And this stupid pecking order, at which I'm lowest... Master's students get the slowest connections, then the PhD students, then the profs and staff. |
| 22:06.50 | RvGaTe | resetting router, modem and everything, see what happens |
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| 22:10.53 | JordiGH | Oh, wow. dpkg lets me downgrade xfonts-encodings. I didn't think it would. |
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| 22:12.36 | sbk | Can someone point me to a syslinux.cfg that's suitable for a 2.6 installer image (booting from a flash drive?) Would like to save myself the step of mounting the boot.img.gz file and discovering it that way |
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| 22:21.44 | jeward | If I have 100 debian servers, what would I run to determine what updates they each need? |
| 22:22.26 | jeward | Or, if there's nothing out there, what command would I run on one server to list the updates needed? |
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| 22:25.55 | jeward | Is this thing working? |
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| 22:27.18 | jeward | Can anyone see what I am typing? |
| 22:27.40 | ryan` | jeward, bo |
| 22:27.46 | jeward | :-) |
| 22:28.03 | jeward | What command do I run to list what updates are needed? |
| 22:28.57 | ryan` | apt-get -s upgrade will probably do what you want |
| 22:29.39 | jeward | Thanks, I'll try that! |
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| 22:32.51 | lightcap | anyone know why I'm getting: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" when trying to assign a couple of interface aliases |
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| 22:32.58 | bkudria | i just overwrote an important file...is there any way i can recover it? ext3 with debian sid, kernel 2.6.17.1. |
| 22:33.35 | sepski | bkudria, yes just recover it from your backups |
| 22:33.44 | jeward | :-) |
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| 22:33.57 | lightcap | the uml instances on the same box handle the aliases just fine... |
| 22:34.02 | bkudria | sepski: my backups are too old |
| 22:34.14 | sepski | bkudria, then you lost im afraid, |
| 22:35.09 | sepski | there are ext2 undelete tools, but they generaly dont work on journaled filesystems |
| 22:35.25 | bkudria | but i can try? |
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| 22:36.09 | sepski | you dont need our permission to try :) |
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| 22:36.10 | bkudria | ok, thanks |
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| 22:36.40 | panda | hi, is there any separate channel for discussion on amd64/unstable ? |
| 22:37.53 | sid | !tell panda about amd64 |
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| 22:38.14 | Shadowcat | if you have to discuss unstable with people |
| 22:38.19 | pearl | !tell pearl about amd64 |
| 22:38.22 | Shadowcat | you probably shouldn't be running it |
| 22:38.36 | sid | That doesn't make any sense Shadowcat |
| 22:38.39 | j-linux | I just installed Debian for the first time. Works great on this 128MB RAM celeron 500mhz machine. Is there a way to shut off the computer without needing the root password? Other people need to turn the computer on and off, but I don't want to give out the root password. |
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| 22:39.01 | Shadowcat | sid: if it's the type of discussion I think he's referring to, then I'm right |
| 22:39.06 | robin_sz | j-linux, do these other people have access to the keyboard? |
| 22:39.11 | j-linux | yea |
| 22:39.11 | sid | j-linux: apt-get install acpid; as root; Then just tell them to tap the power button once fast. |
| 22:39.13 | j-linux | yes |
| 22:39.29 | robin_sz | j-linux, ctrl-alt-del will work then |
| 22:39.55 | panda | ok, thanks. I just wanted to know if it is so unstable that it can't even copy right data .. |
| 22:39.58 | j-linux | robin_sz: ctrl-alt-delete didn't work |
| 22:40.00 | sid | control alt delete doesn't do anything |
| 22:40.12 | sid | heh |
| 22:40.22 | sid | j-linux: apt-get install acpid; then tap the powerbutton as if you were turning it on. |
| 22:40.27 | robin_sz | sid: well, it does on my standard debian sarge box |
| 22:40.27 | panda | i'm trying to find a serious problem on my pc |
| 22:40.43 | j-linux | sid: is there anyway to just disable that feature? These people cannot even find yahoo mail. Tapping the power switch sounds like it might be complicated for them. |
| 22:40.44 | sid | robin_sz: no it does not |
| 22:40.52 | lightcap | doesnt make any sense both kernels are 2.6.15.6, but one of them is erroring out trying to assign network interface aliases |
| 22:41.05 | robin_sz | sid: no, really, it does. |
| 22:41.06 | sid | robin_sz: That is a modified non-default system |
| 22:41.22 | robin_sz | sid; which ssh vulnerability do I have then? |
| 22:41.43 | sid | robin_sz: control alt delete will not shutdown a stock debian system |
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| 22:42.11 | pearl | what is OFTC? a irc network? |
| 22:42.23 | robin_sz | sid: can you help me identify the ssh vulnerability I have then, becasue I certainly didnt modify it ... so it must have been hacked .. |
| 22:42.33 | stew | pearl: yes, /msg dpkg oftc |
| 22:43.06 | sid | robin_sz: Maybe your machine was left unattended and little elves changed your settings |
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| 22:43.28 | robin_sz | sid, possibly .. looks like they modified my laptop too |
| 22:43.34 | jelly-home | robin_sz: is this a multiuser machine? |
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| 22:43.46 | j-linux | So there is no way to shutdown Debian in a conventional way with a "shutdown' option on the menu? |
| 22:44.05 | robin_sz | j-linux, yes, but they need root password from the menu |
| 22:44.20 | robin_sz | or the powercord ;) |
| 22:44.23 | j-linux | robin_sz: I mean without root password... |
| 22:44.51 | j-linux | Apparently just turning the computer off is not good because of the stuff in memory.. |
| 22:44.57 | robin_sz | j-linux, there must be a setting for "responds to ctrl-alt-del- somewhere .. I know not where, it was activce as astandard on all my machines |
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| 22:46.02 | dondelelcaro | j-linux: create a /etc/shutdown.allow with approprate users in place, then call shutdown as normal. |
| 22:46.02 | jelly-home | j-linux: maybe ctrl-alt-del works in console but not in X. |
| 22:46.11 | j-linux | crap... another little problem that is going to take an hour |
| 22:46.18 | JordiGH | Yay! Last (detected) problem fixed! I had to apt-get xfs. |
| 22:46.29 | robin_sz | jelly-home, I was assuming from console, not X , true enough |
| 22:46.41 | JordiGH | Now I have a dist-upgraded system, that, as far as I can tell, works exactly as before! :D |
| 22:46.52 | Wowbagger_ | When I plug a serial USB dongle in, I see "serial device now attached to ttyUSB0", but there is no ttyUSB0. Is there some udev thing that I need to configure for this? |
| 22:46.58 | robin_sz | j-linux, hit ctrl-alt-F1 to bring up a console, hit ctrl-alt-del |
| 22:47.00 | j-linux | dndelelcaro: I'll try that. Will have to do some research first. |
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| 22:47.26 | j-linux | robin_sz: these people literally have trouble finding yahoo mail. They will not be able to do that... |
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| 22:47.37 | JordiGH | I feel as if I had just compiled a Gentoo install, or something. |
| 22:47.57 | robin_sz | j-linux, then, with respect, they probably should not be allowed near it |
| 22:48.08 | dondelelcaro | j-linux: alternatively, most DM have shutdown options in their menus once you've logged out. |
| 22:48.11 | JordiGH | Thanks to everyone for the help and for listening me think out loud. Later! Happy Debianing! |
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| 22:48.25 | dondelelcaro | (gdm does, and others may as well) |
| 22:48.43 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, but then it asks for root pw right? |
| 22:48.57 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: it doesn't need to |
| 22:49.10 | dondelelcaro | they all have configuration settings to determine who can shut down the machine |
| 22:49.17 | robin_sz | ahh, righty |
| 22:49.18 | j-linux | dondelelcaro: that's what I'm looking for -- a way to turn off the root password reqirement |
| 22:49.40 | j-linux | dondelelcaro: I have that option to shutdown on the menu, but I don't want to give out the root password to other people. |
| 22:50.03 | dondelelcaro | iirc, most of them also allow you to configure it to allow any valid user to shut down the box. |
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| 22:50.31 | blo | hi all, i can't get a cd-burner working...any commands for troubleshooting i ought to know? |
| 22:50.33 | beardy | yeah, check your display managers configuration |
| 22:50.33 | j-linux | robin_sz: I converted an old win98 computer to Linux to show that it could be revived, and that it makes a good desktop. This experiment can't fail now. |
| 22:50.53 | beardy | ... |
| 22:50.57 | j-linux | dondelelcaro: do you know where those settings might be? |
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| 22:51.18 | beardy | j-linux: In your desktop's Control Panel, or what they call it. |
| 22:51.29 | beardy | j-linux: And that too yes. |
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| 22:52.20 | gteppel | OpenVPN has ssl support, does this mean I can run OpenVPN over Apache2/ssl? |
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| 22:52.34 | j-linux | beardy: Control panel? I'm using icewm. what is it called gnome login or something... I'll look for config file. |
| 22:53.23 | beardy | j-linux: Perhaps it's separated into something called something like that yes. |
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| 22:54.15 | beardy | j-linux: Try gnomeTABTAB and see what you get. |
| 22:54.35 | beardy | j-linux: or gdmTABTAB |
| 22:54.39 | j-linux | beardy: that wouldn't be in my ~/ directory though... |
| 22:54.51 | j-linux | gdm -- where? |
| 22:55.03 | beardy | j-linux: What are you running then? |
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| 22:55.49 | j-linux | icewm. I typed $ locate gdm and found a lot of directories |
| 22:56.17 | j-linux | ... /etc/gdm/Init ? hmmm |
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| 22:56.47 | dondelelcaro | j-linux: the setting you're looking for is SecureSystemMenu=false |
| 22:56.59 | beardy | j-linux: Yeah, which display manger you ran was what I meant. I meant you should run (perhaps as root, to include the paths) 'gdm(press TAB twice to complete) or 'gnome(TAB twice) to find any binaries doing what you want. |
| 22:57.04 | gteppel | I'm in a network that seems to have locked down a lot of outbound ports, how can i scan the network to find out whats really open? |
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| 22:57.42 | heh_v_water | I have this command that works on this tiny install I am doing.. how can I make this happen at boot? xinit /usr/bin/fluxbox -- /usr/bin/Xvesa -screen 1024x768x16 |
| 22:57.46 | stwelin | I'm using an ATI Radeon 9600 series video card, i haven't done much to configure it, but it's mentioned in my XF86Config-4 file, just as a generic vid card, and the driver is set to ATI, yet i don't seem to be getting much from it. |
| 22:57.47 | beardy | j-linux: Probably some or all of the files in /etc/gdm yes. |
| 22:57.52 | Mxyzpltk | j-linux: adding all the users you want to allow to shut it down into /etc/shutdown.allow and then an entry in each user's menu that says "shutdown -a -h now" will do your trick |
| 22:58.01 | Mxyzpltk | one user per line |
| 22:58.06 | stwelin | and !ati has not helped much. |
| 22:58.08 | j-linux | Found a file /etc/gdm/Init/gdm.conf ... hmmm |
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| 22:58.14 | javiolo | hi |
| 22:58.30 | javiolo | is there something like truecrypt? http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
| 22:58.53 | stwelin | Could anyone help me troubleshoot a video card issue? |
| 22:58.53 | j-linux | Mxyzpltk: thanks... if this doesn't work I will try that. |
| 22:59.00 | RichiH | javiolo: yes. truecrypt |
| 22:59.31 | javiolo | RichiH ... |
| 22:59.38 | RichiH | it works under linux, according to their page |
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| 23:01.43 | j-linux | Mxyzpltk: I couldn't find a file called /etc/shutdown.allow |
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| 23:02.45 | robin_sz | j-linux, exactly, you have to make it! |
| 23:03.34 | j-linux | robin_sz: oh :S just make a blank text file, with one user per line? |
| 23:04.02 | robin_sz | not knowing the format |
| 23:04.46 | heh_v_water | If I build a bootable live cd using non-free stuff (madwifi etc) what are the rules for offering the image for download by the general public.. anyone know this stuff? |
| 23:04.46 | j-linux | ok... found in man pages.. :S |
| 23:05.06 | olczyk | Hey. My monitor starts a bit off when I boot. I can use xvidtune to fix it, but I don't know how to make the fix pernament. Is seems that XF86Config-4 doesn't have parameters for modelines. |
| 23:07.21 | robin_sz | heh_v_water, debian as a dosro has very strict rules on what is included, but you can make your own distro, basedon debian, using less strict rules, no problem |
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| 23:08.08 | _ericb | hi all |
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| 23:08.28 | heh_v_water | robin_sz, but I am only one person and I have limited bandwidth etc.. under the GPL I believe I am to ahve all sources available.. if I use sources from debian would that constitute available? |
| 23:09.15 | heh_v_water | I just on't want to get into some sort of legal battle I'm not prepared to fight or something lol |
| 23:09.22 | heh_v_water | or step on any toes etc |
| 23:09.44 | robin_sz | no one os really going to care that much if it is just aggregation of packages |
| 23:09.55 | heh_v_water | sweet |
| 23:10.09 | heh_v_water | cause I have never seen a live cd like this one to my knowledge anyhow |
| 23:10.11 | robin_sz | if you modify a package, then yeah, you need to provide source |
| 23:10.22 | heh_v_water | I went from boot to wireless access point at the college today in 3 minutes ;) |
| 23:10.50 | robin_sz | but unmodified? I cant honestly see anyone "getting legal" .. no point |
| 23:11.36 | heh_v_water | excellent thank you for the info |
| 23:11.45 | robin_sz | opinion only ... |
| 23:11.58 | heh_v_water | right |
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| 23:17.42 | heh_v_water | damn the build is still borked.. booting the image and it's saying /dev/null not found and it's trying to drop stuff into tmp and it can't naturally lol |
| 23:17.58 | Shadowcat | what's broken? |
| 23:18.13 | heh_v_water | my little bootcd build I ma working on |
| 23:18.24 | Shadowcat | oh |
| 23:18.29 | Shadowcat | that's not my problem then :P |
| 23:18.54 | heh_v_water | lol |
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| 23:21.42 | cds | Can anyone help me figure out why my sound isn't working? |
| 23:23.08 | streuner | cds: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 23:24.24 | luke-jr_ | What's the correct way to get from argv[0] (/usr/bin/progname) to /usr/share/progname/? |
| 23:24.32 | luke-jr_ | (in C) |
| 23:24.44 | cds | streuner: Linux version 2.4.27-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-10)) #1 Wed Nov 30 21:55:37 JST 2005 |
| 23:25.22 | streuner | cds: so you installed debian? |
| 23:25.34 | cds | Hm? |
| 23:25.38 | cds | I don't understand the question. |
| 23:25.51 | streuner | cds: did the sound work before? |
| 23:26.02 | cds | Oh - yeah. |
| 23:26.26 | cds | Not sure what changed to break it. |
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| 23:26.52 | streuner | cds: what happens if you run xmms on cli as root? |
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| 23:27.43 | cds | I'll get back to you in a minute, I'm doing apt-get upgrade atm and don't have xmms installed. |
| 23:27.48 | abrotman | who won?! |
| 23:27.54 | streuner | EDI |
| 23:28.03 | abrotman | yay? |
| 23:28.09 | abrotman | philly next year! |
| 23:28.19 | streuner | no way |
| 23:28.36 | streuner | its too hard to come into US :-) |
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| 23:29.11 | abrotman | streuner: you won't go anyways |
| 23:29.20 | cds | streuner: Ok, nothing when I run it... |
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| 23:29.28 | cds | streuner: But when I try and play a file: |
| 23:29.29 | cds | ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such device |
| 23:29.54 | streuner | cds: do you have the sound module loaded for your soundcard? |
| 23:30.01 | cds | I'm not sure. |
| 23:30.12 | cds | Sorry, I don't know a lot about sound. |
| 23:30.15 | streuner | run 'lsmod' and check that |
| 23:30.35 | cds | Is it good it isn't installed? |
| 23:31.04 | cds | Or rather, I would if it was in apt. |
| 23:31.54 | lunitik | cds: lsmod is installed by default... |
| 23:32.17 | streuner | cds: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 23:32.34 | lunitik | cds: lspci | grep audio <--- put the return of that into google and append "linux" to the end to find driver |
| 23:32.34 | cds | lunitik: I think I messed up package selection in installaton :) |
| 23:33.00 | streuner | or just check this out |
| 23:33.02 | streuner | !dl |
| 23:33.03 | dpkg | driver locator is http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ will tell you what drivers you need if your computer has PCI |
| 23:33.03 | cds | 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07) |
| 23:33.14 | abrotman | streuner: that needs lspci -n |
| 23:33.15 | streuner | oh, emu10k1 then |
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| 23:33.37 | streuner | abrotman the URL mention it... |
| 23:34.01 | cds | Ok, so I put emu10k1 into that URL? |
| 23:34.14 | streuner | nah, modprobe emu10k1 |
| 23:34.56 | cds | I get nothing? |
| 23:35.21 | lunitik | cds: ahh... you didn't install via 'linux26'.... thats why you didn't get lsmod ... its in module-init-tools :/ |
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| 23:35.36 | cds | Ok, lets install that. |
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| 23:36.32 | lunitik | cds: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH (probably -686 (intel) or -k7 (amd)) |
| 23:36.33 | cds | What am I looking for? |
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| 23:36.55 | cds | aptitude? |
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| 23:37.09 | abrotman | which CPU do you have? |
| 23:37.11 | cds | Oh, yes, that. |
| 23:37.18 | cds | Intel. |
| 23:37.23 | lunitik | cds: its like apt-get... only more intelligent ;) |
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| 23:37.28 | cds | Why wouldI need a new kernel, though? |
| 23:37.30 | abrotman | cds: P4? P1? |
| 23:37.36 | cds | 4, IIRC. |
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| 23:37.43 | lunitik | cds: you're using 2.4 right now... thats OLD |
| 23:37.48 | Big_Wolf | I installed mplayer, but when i try to run it get the error "mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libXvMCW.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 23:38.02 | abrotman | cds: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 23:38.06 | geemark | how do I change the timezone of debia?= |
| 23:38.10 | streuner | Big_Wolf: < |
| 23:38.12 | abrotman | !timezome |
| 23:38.13 | Vasistha | !set time |
| 23:38.13 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 23:38.13 | cds | lunitik: Well, I just did a dist-upgrade to testing - would that have updated it? |
| 23:38.13 | streuner | Big_Wolf: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:38.20 | abrotman | eh .. wrong |
| 23:38.26 | abrotman | geemark: tzconfig |
| 23:38.30 | lunitik | cds: I dunno, did it? |
| 23:38.30 | Vasistha | oh, oops, tzconfig |
| 23:38.32 | etrask | oh, yay, i guess i'm enlightened |
| 23:38.37 | cds | lunitik: Wouldn't know :) |
| 23:38.42 | Big_Wolf | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:38.44 | cds | Ah well, I guess anew kernel is good. |
| 23:38.46 | heh_v_water | cds just did a modprobe for the device how bout dmesg to see if it loaded and try xmms again |
| 23:38.46 | lunitik | cds: it would have told you :/ |
| 23:38.50 | Vasistha | etrask: I was only enlightened by dpkg... |
| 23:39.02 | streuner | Big_Wolf: and what distro are you running? |
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| 23:39.08 | keystrike | hi |
| 23:39.14 | keystrike | anyone know about using yaboot to boot over tftp? |
| 23:39.17 | cds | I'll update the kernel, do a restart, and see what happens. |
| 23:39.18 | lunitik | cds: dpkg -l | grep linux <-- the package name changed from kernel-image to linux-image in etch |
| 23:39.24 | geemark | thanks |
| 23:39.30 | cds | lunitik: Hm? |
| 23:39.42 | Big_Wolf | streuner: debian :/ |
| 23:39.44 | etrask | Vasistha: i run ntpdate, only because i think the battery on the mobo is a bit weak and doesn't keep time well :P |
| 23:39.46 | abrotman | maybe he's not running etch ? |
| 23:39.54 | lunitik | cds: still may need to load sound drivers... but come back with a newer kernel |
| 23:39.56 | abrotman | etrask: there's a setting for that |
| 23:40.05 | lunitik | abrotman: he just said he's dist-upgraded to testing |
| 23:40.10 | cds | lunitik: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 seemed to have worked. |
| 23:40.13 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:40.15 | cds | Yeah, I dist-upgraded to testing. |
| 23:40.20 | streuner | abrotman: i have no idea, but it would be interesting to see how her/his sources.list looks like :-) |
| 23:40.21 | Big_Wolf | streuner: you meant what version of debian? |
| 23:40.37 | Vasistha | etrask: you know, I used to have this issue when I had a dual boot... windows would keep good time, but when I booted to linux, it would either lose or gain time, and I was suspicious the kernel was message with the clock in some weird way |
| 23:40.40 | keystrike | i am trying to boot into a special install kernel so i want to hop into it with yaboot as i need to pass parameters to it.. but my computer will not grab the yaboot.conf file from the network |
| 23:40.47 | cds | streuner: Basically, a local cache for etch. |
| 23:40.49 | keystrike | it only gets yaboot itself via tftp |
| 23:41.09 | cds | Ok, bbs. |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | ask .. #debianppc ? |
| 23:41.28 | abrotman | does cds have sata? |
| 23:41.40 | keystrike | ok thanks :) |
| 23:41.49 | abrotman | #debianppc |
| 23:41.51 | abrotman | no - |
| 23:42.06 | abrotman | or didn't :) |
| 23:42.13 | keystrike | #debian-ppc #debianppc Forwarding to another channel :) |
| 23:42.22 | etrask | Vasistha: yes, that's a problem here, too |
| 23:42.30 | etrask | i dual boot, and the two OSes don't share the clock nicely |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | doh! |
| 23:42.40 | lunitik | abrotman: so both of us were right :P |
| 23:42.46 | abrotman | i was righter! |
| 23:42.54 | heh_v_water | hehe |
| 23:42.58 | streuner | !win abrotman |
| 23:42.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:43.06 | abrotman | i'm a loser! |
| 23:43.12 | streuner | haha |
| 23:43.13 | Dwonis | !pal abrotman |
| 23:43.24 | etrask | what, the president is appointed |
| 23:43.53 | lunitik | etrask: not really... but thats a topic for #politics |
| 23:44.13 | Vasistha | etrask: well, windows will set daylight savings time, and requires that the clock be set to local time as opposed to UTC ... but linux *can* use a clock set to local (not UTC) time |
| 23:44.18 | etrask | he's just a figurehead for the Patriots... that's what I learned from Metal Gear Solid 2 |
| 23:44.24 | lunitik | etrask: I'll just say, during the last 2 elections in the US, the peoples choice didn't get into office... |
| 23:44.35 | etrask | heheh |
| 23:45.02 | etrask | Vasistha: yeah? how can I do that? that'd help out a lot :P |
| 23:45.07 | Dwonis | doing DST conversions on your local clock is screwed up. |
| 23:45.57 | abrotman | you gave it love |
| 23:46.04 | cds | OK, now networking is broken. |
| 23:46.13 | etrask | niiice |
| 23:46.17 | cds | "sit0: unknown hardware address tytpe 776" |
| 23:46.23 | abrotman | sit0 isn't needed |
| 23:46.39 | cds | It then fails at DHCPDISCOVER |
| 23:46.44 | Dwonis | if it actually says "tytpe", you have other problems... ;) |
| 23:46.57 | cds | Heh, nope, I'm on GPS here :) |
| 23:47.07 | cds | How do I turn that off, then? |
| 23:47.34 | Dwonis | sit0... isn't that used for 6to4 or something? |
| 23:47.36 | jelly-home | lunitik: what does last.fm do if you listen to a stream with a scrobbler-enabled player, does it know about the actual songs played? |
| 23:48.06 | abrotman | i thought lastfm was the only player left .. you can use others to feed it .. but not listen |
| 23:48.10 | lunitik | jelly-home: Amarok has options to send played songs to server... I don't know about other players |
| 23:48.11 | cds | dmc: Never heard of it before. |
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| 23:48.45 | cds | Er, Dwonis ^ |
| 23:48.55 | Vasistha | etrask: I think I set up the time zone stuff when I installed sarge, but you may be able to get at it from tzconfig ... or prod dpkg via /msg |
| 23:49.18 | lunitik | Vasistha: the installer does tzconfig |
| 23:49.28 | javiolo | I have a usb memory mounted it shouldnt be on /mnt ?? |
| 23:49.51 | abrotman | doesn't have to be .. can be where ever you want |
| 23:50.13 | Dwonis | cds: 6to4 is a way of routing IPv6 packets to you over IPv4. e.g., if your router's IPv4 address is 1.2.3.4, your 6to4 prefix is 2002:0102:0304::/48 |
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| 23:50.18 | lunitik | etrask: dpkg-reconfigure tzconfig <-- gives exact same interface as installer did wrt time zones |
| 23:50.29 | cds | Dwonis: Ah, nope, I'm not using IPv6. |
| 23:50.30 | Dwonis | cds: but I'd have a look at /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 23:51.14 | cds | Looks right to me. |
| 23:51.27 | cds | auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:51.28 | Dwonis | cds: pastebin? |
| 23:51.39 | cds | That's all I have. |
| 23:51.45 | Dwonis | cds: on one line or two? |
| 23:51.50 | cds | Two\ |
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| 23:52.05 | Dwonis | cds: or, wait, you said DHCP is failing? what's the error message? |
| 23:52.15 | lunitik | cds: is your network card module loaded? can you ping things? (at least localhost?) |
| 23:52.31 | cds | Dwonis: There is none - it just keeps tryhing. |
| 23:52.45 | cds | lunitik: Yeah. |
| 23:52.48 | Dwonis | cds: Is this after you installed a new network card? |
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| 23:53.08 | cds | Nope, after a dist-upgrade and a new kernel. |
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| 23:54.03 | Dwonis | cds: If you run tcpdump in another window, does it show anything? |
| 23:54.11 | alan` | :) |
| 23:54.14 | alan` | woops |
| 23:54.18 | m1ke_l | anyone have a qlogic card working in debian ? |
| 23:54.23 | cds | ...command not found. |
| 23:54.26 | lunitik | cds: meh... then dhcp is broken... not your nic... but Dwonis seems to be doing a good job helping you... |
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| 23:54.48 | Dwonis | cds: personally, I'd reset my switches and cable/dsl modem before trying too much. Sometimes those things can act up at odd times. |
| 23:54.52 | cds | lunitik: I'll check with the sysadmins.. |
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| 23:55.28 | lunitik | cds: what is /etc/resolv.conf saying? |
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| 23:55.35 | Dwonis | cds: also check the output of dmesg for anything suspicious |
| 23:55.55 | Dwonis | lunitik: does the DHCP client depend on resolv.conf? |
| 23:55.59 | cds | Ah, here we go. |
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| 23:56.11 | cds | It works if I plug the network into my motherboard's plug. |
| 23:56.17 | cds | But not my network card. |
| 23:56.19 | Dwonis | cds: ah yeah. |
| 23:56.27 | lunitik | Dwonis: dhcp-client updates /etc/resolv.conf ... |
| 23:56.27 | cds | s/eth0/eth1/ in the config? |
| 23:56.41 | etrask | lunitik: thanks for the tip, sorry for the slow responses :P |
| 23:56.57 | cds | Hrm... no. |
| 23:57.08 | Dwonis | I think there's some code in the new udev that makes sure you get the same network device name every time you boot, but the transiton could have broken something, I guess. |
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| 23:57.16 | SerajewelKS | is there a "debootstrap for windows"? something you can run on windows that will bootstrap debian onto an ext partition? my friend wants to try debian, but his nic isn't supported except by an experimental driver that isn't in debian. so we need some way to install it so we can try compiling things. |
| 23:57.32 | cds | Dwonis: Know of a fix? Or at least, how to use the card and not the mobo? |
| 23:57.46 | Dwonis | SerajewelKS: run debootstrap from a bootable CD (e.g. Knoppix) |
| 23:57.47 | SerajewelKS | or would it just be a better idea to use the first cd of the set to install |
| 23:57.53 | Dwonis | SerajewelKS: or yeah, the first CD |
| 23:58.01 | SerajewelKS | Dwonis: uhm.. remember, the linux driver is experimental and is probably not on any livecds |
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| 23:59.32 | cds | Anybody? |
