| 00:00.10 | Illarane|Laptop | Kassah: No, but the result is the same. |
| 00:00.18 | Illarane|Laptop | er, jelly-home, even. |
| 00:00.35 | abrotman | i can't find it |
| 00:00.40 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: it bloody well isn't. |
| 00:00.56 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: surely you don't get the exact output. |
| 00:01.06 | jbrimble | How do I remove a user from the machine? |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | deluser ? userdel ? |
| 00:01.27 | Illarane|Laptop | Ok, the result is similar with a different output format. |
| 00:01.30 | abrotman | which do different things |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | Illarane|Laptop: we would like to see the *exact* output |
| 00:01.49 | abrotman | you can't ask us for help if you're not willing to show us the things we need to see |
| 00:01.51 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: please paste it instead of second guessing. |
| 00:02.51 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: there's a number of people here who can walk you thru the manual dependency resolution, but you have to provide the debug info asked for. |
| 00:03.37 | Illarane|Laptop | Ok, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/SdXRSQ79.html happy? |
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| 00:04.12 | Illarane|Laptop | The question is whether or not said manual process is going to take longer than it will to install 3.1 from scratch. |
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| 00:04.28 | Illarane|Laptop | If the answer is yes, then I'm sticking this disc in now. |
| 00:04.40 | abrotman | i guess we really need apt-get -f install output based on that |
| 00:04.42 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: probably yes, irc is not too fast. |
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| 00:05.05 | Illarane|Laptop | And I've already spent 5 hours trying various different 'fixes'. |
| 00:05.14 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: you've got udev, xorg upgrade and kde stuff. I say reinstall. |
| 00:05.15 | Illarane|Laptop | All I wanted to do was install MUSE! Ugh. |
| 00:05.25 | Illarane|Laptop | Exactly; everything's fucked now. |
| 00:05.33 | Illarane|Laptop | As opposed to just QT being fucked. |
| 00:05.36 | abrotman | yeah .. but you had streuner help you .. |
| 00:05.52 | Illarane|Laptop | streuner wasn't the only person who said dist-upgrade. |
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| 00:06.19 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 00:06.36 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: just for info, you started from current debian stable (sarge)? |
| 00:06.44 | Illarane|Laptop | So, instead of actually helping me fix the problem I had, it's not completely screwed and I'm going to have a whale of a time reinstalling without erasing my home data. |
| 00:06.45 | efaistos | do i need to proceed a kernel compilation to just add the handle of 2Gb of RAM or is there a way to do it with a standard kernel provide by Debian ? |
| 00:06.50 | HKmePLZ | hi, guys! |
| 00:06.52 | Illarane|Laptop | jelly-home: Well, at the time it was unstable. |
| 00:06.56 | Illarane|Laptop | But yes. |
| 00:06.56 | abrotman | efaistos: which kernel and cpu do you have? |
| 00:07.01 | abrotman | streuner: i wasn't here |
| 00:07.12 | amphi | Illarane|Laptop: /home is not on a separate partition? |
| 00:07.20 | Illarane|Laptop | Unfortunately not. |
| 00:07.23 | abrotman | the output from apt-get -f install would be probably better |
| 00:07.30 | Kassah | How do I tell what package provies /etc/mysql/my.cnf ? |
| 00:07.37 | abrotman | dpkg -S my.cnf |
| 00:07.38 | dpkg | Package: my.cnf: Status: install ok installed |
| 00:07.38 | efaistos | abrotman: I have an amd 3200+ and the kernel is 2.6.16-1-486 |
| 00:07.53 | abrotman | efaistos: try 2.6.16-k7 or something like that |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | -486 won't do it |
| 00:08.04 | efaistos | oKtosiTe_: |
| 00:08.07 | efaistos | ok abrotman |
| 00:08.25 | Illarane|Laptop | amphi: I had to dual boot my machine at the time, and I didn't have the luxury of separating everything into different partitions. |
| 00:08.47 | abrotman | apt-get -f install would be helpful |
| 00:08.54 | abrotman | two nics .. bridge .. |
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| 00:09.22 | Shadowcat | streuner: people pay attention in here? |
| 00:09.35 | efaistos | i'm coming back |
| 00:09.36 | streuner | yes, most of them |
| 00:09.42 | jelly-home | Illarane|Laptop: if you're not comfortable with reinstall, you could: remove kde/qt, remove xserver-xorg, deal with udev/kernel breakage, then reinstall X and kde/qt. |
| 00:09.51 | Shadowcat | HAH |
| 00:09.56 | Shadowcat | jelly: like that's gonna work |
| 00:10.02 | Shadowcat | that'll never uninstall cleanly |
| 00:10.11 | Shadowcat | and yes I've tried it |
| 00:10.14 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: I'd do that if it were my desktop. |
| 00:10.27 | amphi | Illarane|Laptop: I'll take that as a 'no'; not that I see what dual-booting has to do with it. I had separate /home when I was quad-booting my old laptop |
| 00:10.30 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: I've been using this OS since '96 though. |
| 00:10.31 | Illarane|Laptop | Yes, but that will probably just cause even more problems. |
| 00:10.39 | Illarane|Laptop | amphi: I did say no. |
| 00:10.44 | Shadowcat | if you're smart you keep /home on a separate partition |
| 00:11.00 | Shadowcat | because I can nuke / 10 times on a bad day |
| 00:11.10 | abrotman | apt-get -f install ... |
| 00:11.11 | Illarane|Laptop | Yeah,well, I made a bad decision based on lack of disk space and not knowing how much the rest was going to take up. |
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| 00:11.25 | Shadowcat | not an excuse :P |
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| 00:11.35 | Shadowcat | you still gotta deal with the consequences of the setup |
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| 00:12.28 | abrotman | !tell X3n0n about away |
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| 00:12.37 | abrotman | i bet the output of apt-get -f install might be helpful |
| 00:12.39 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: it is an excuse, just not very good. I've have one partition for last 5 years, only with this new machine I've split /, /var (news and www cache) and /home |
| 00:12.54 | efaistos | abrotman: thanks worked fine :) |
| 00:13.07 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: if you had a setup like that I would charge you extra for fixing it |
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| 00:13.15 | cfrisch | how do you find out what device is the cdrecord 0,0,0 ex.? |
| 00:13.18 | Shadowcat | that's how much I like single partition setups |
| 00:13.23 | Shadowcat | whether it's in Linux or Windows |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | lalalal .. apt-get .. -f .. install ... |
| 00:13.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: there are circular dependencies. apt-get can't cope. aptitude might be better with kde/qt stuff, but it'd probably still break because of udev/kernel stuff. |
| 00:14.00 | abrotman | i'd like to see the udev error |
| 00:14.00 | X3n0n | thanks abrotman :-) |
| 00:14.03 | streuner | cfrisch: cdrecord -scanbus? |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | since that is probably stopping the rest |
| 00:14.17 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:14.29 | Kassah | abrotman: now that I've figured out what package it belongs to... how do I have it add it again? |
| 00:14.30 | abrotman | where'd you get that?! |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | !tell Kassah about confmiss |
| 00:14.41 | jelly-home | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Sh8f1D34.html |
| 00:14.56 | jbrimble | Is there a command to view all the programs i have installed through apt-get? |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's not apt-get -f install |
| 00:15.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's his dist-upgrade |
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| 00:15.06 | cfrisch | streuner: no there its ATAPI |
| 00:15.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh |
| 00:15.23 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes, sorry. |
| 00:15.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: note line four |
| 00:15.39 | streuner | cfrisch: run k3b and check out ps aux | grep cdrecord :-) |
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| 00:16.17 | Illarane|Laptop | yay, kernel panic |
| 00:16.22 | cfrisch | streuner: k3b is borked or well cdrdao is borked. ;-_) |
| 00:16.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's one of the reasons I use aptitude now, it does dpkg --configure -a automatically if things break on install/upgrade. |
| 00:16.25 | streuner | cfrisch: maybe its easier to say what you want to do... |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | i'm shocked |
| 00:16.39 | streuner | cfrisch: testing? |
| 00:17.07 | DerJamster | cfrisch: trying to burn an audio cd? |
| 00:18.05 | cfrisch | streuner: unfortunally I need to do a reinstall need to burn iso with cdrecord and I cannot figure out what the 0,0,0 is for my burner |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | word of the day is : reinstall : verb : Something Debian users should never experience |
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| 00:18.54 | streuner | SCSI emulation, you need to modprobe ide-scsi |
| 00:19.19 | abrotman | depends on the kernel |
| 00:19.51 | cfrisch | abrotman: 2.6 + |
| 00:19.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: It's just a pragmatic solution. If there's more time to lose with coping with an unfamiliar problem than with a clean install, one might reinstall as well. |
| 00:19.55 | streuner | if you have >2.6.8 kernel don't use ide-scsi |
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| 00:20.14 | abrotman | if you have 2.6.0+ |
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| 00:21.27 | grendal_prime | ok this is going to sound like a pussy question but after upgrading to etch, im running into all sorts of shit problems..would it help if i just uininstall the desktop and reinstall it...primairly X? |
| 00:22.05 | cfrisch | THANKS I figured it out |
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| 00:22.29 | abrotman | grendal_prime: errors are helpful |
| 00:22.49 | grendal_prime | cause at this point ...and yes i did the md5 check directive stuff for reconfigure xserver-xorg... i cannot set the shared memory for my video |
| 00:23.05 | grendal_prime | and i cannot run the dpkg-reconfigure for xserver |
| 00:23.11 | simonrvn | i reinstalled once in 4 years, and that as a newbie |
| 00:23.31 | grendal_prime | abrotman, umm basically it is saying i dont have enough memory to run dri.. |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | i reinstalled this laptop once .. windows ate itself |
| 00:23.40 | grendal_prime | and simonrvn i agree, but im at a loss on this one |
| 00:23.49 | cougar` | Hey all: If I'm viewing multiple logs on another machine using ssh tail -F etc... What would be the best way to say to execute the commands all at once? a BASH script? Like, I have 3 logs, and was wondering if I put the commands ina bash script, just execute it. |
| 00:24.02 | grendal_prime | this installation is like 2 years old now i think |
| 00:24.13 | simonrvn | if it doesn't have enough video ram to run dri, then you're screwed |
| 00:24.23 | simonrvn | ...well, unless you run at a smaller res. |
| 00:24.38 | grendal_prime | dude its shared memory |
| 00:24.40 | simonrvn | even that might not help |
| 00:24.51 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: This machine started as ubuntu-dapper (its now running unstable) there were a few small problems with x udev etc but nothing too serious and it working much faster than dapper ever was |
| 00:24.54 | grendal_prime | i had it running just fin with xfree |
| 00:24.59 | simonrvn | it's limited by vram i don't care |
| 00:25.19 | simonrvn | if it doesn't have it, it won't enable it |
| 00:25.32 | ApEtc | cougar`: All 3 logs are on the same machine? Cheap fix might be something like "tail -f log1.log log2.log log3.log" |
| 00:25.34 | abrotman | grendal_prime: errors are good |
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| 00:26.12 | cougar` | ApEtc: Sounds great, but will that string all the logs together or keep them isolated? |
| 00:26.25 | grendal_prime | simonrvn, i had the same prob with it on xfree until i increased the memory..but this seems to have no agpgart? ok abortman sorry .. ill get those |
| 00:26.40 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:26.42 | simonrvn | that's a kernel thing (agpgart) |
| 00:27.18 | abrotman | guess we won't be seeing the output of apt-get -f install |
| 00:27.24 | ApEtc | cougar`: It'll show a little header for each file when a new line appears. Like "==> log1.log <==" and then below will be the line(s) from the specified file |
| 00:27.38 | cougar` | Ap, that sounds awesome |
| 00:27.44 | cougar` | Thanks man |
| 00:27.47 | ApEtc | cougar`: Each time something new appears in each, the header appears. I use it for following my IRC channel. :) |
| 00:27.56 | cougar` | Nice! :P |
| 00:28.02 | grendal_prime | this one i probably the most obvious one |
| 00:28.03 | grendal_prime | (--) I810(0): Xv is disabled because it needs 2D accel and AGPGART. |
| 00:28.15 | ApEtc | cougar`: NP |
| 00:28.17 | jbrimble | is there a way that I can view what has been installed via apt-get? |
| 00:28.21 | grendal_prime | i cant find agpgart |
| 00:28.26 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 00:28.27 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 00:28.29 | rockstar_ | How can I uninstall a deb file and all of its deb dependencies? |
| 00:28.34 | grendal_prime | in testing |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can you fix gluck now? |
| 00:28.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: see d-d-a |
| 00:28.50 | rockstar_ | dpkg -r complains about dependencies. |
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| 00:29.12 | dondelelcaro | rockstar_: if you're removing a package, and it's complaining, then it's complaining because other packages depend upon that package. |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i saw that one already |
| 00:29.27 | dondelelcaro | rockstar_: use aptitude's curses interface to see what is going on and what packages depend upon it. |
| 00:29.34 | rockstar_ | dondelelcaro, Yea, I know that. how can I just take those out with it? |
| 00:29.36 | abrotman | grendal_prime: paste the whole X log .. and describe your problem more fully |
| 00:29.57 | dondelelcaro | rockstar_: use aptitude to remove it and intelligently resolve the problems. |
| 00:30.05 | grendal_prime | hmm pastbin...hold on |
| 00:30.06 | dondelelcaro | rockstar_: otherwise, use dpkg to explicitely list the packages to remove. |
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| 00:30.12 | Gnewf | i want a certain command to run on boot, after all the services have started, how can i accomplish that? |
| 00:30.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ah; well, beyond that, I don't have anything to do with it... I'm not part of DSA. |
| 00:30.54 | nima | does synaptic do the whole auto/manual thing that aptitude does? |
| 00:31.16 | dondelelcaro | dunno; I'm not much a fan of synaptic. |
| 00:31.18 | Vasistha | hrm, I had something for grendal_prime ... |
| 00:31.19 | grendal_prime | abrotman, #flood? |
| 00:31.25 | asg | Gnewf: /msg dpkg rc.boot (note that it's deprecated and that you should use an init.d script) |
| 00:31.30 | nima | im not either, but one of my friends is wondering |
| 00:31.31 | dondelelcaro | (if only for the simple fact that it doesn't work at all in console) |
| 00:31.49 | simonrvn | BTW, that sucks about gluck :( |
| 00:32.05 | asg | simonrvn: intrusions happen |
| 00:32.14 | simonrvn | yeh, i know |
| 00:32.33 | simonrvn | still sucks |
| 00:33.25 | grendal_prime | Vasistha, ?? whats that? |
| 00:33.43 | grendal_prime | ok thanks |
| 00:33.49 | Vasistha | grendal_prime: heh, it was from last night, it's looking rather insignificant atm, actually: grendal_prime: wait a second, /etc/X11/X is just a symlink to (well, on my machine) /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 00:33.56 | simonrvn | % make-googleearth-package |
| 00:34.26 | nima | on that note, google should do more open source/free software stuff |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | more? |
| 00:34.46 | nima | than none |
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| 00:34.54 | asg | nima: they support the Summer of Code |
| 00:35.07 | etrask | isn't it called GOOGLE'S summer of code? |
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| 00:35.18 | yaarg | yaeh it's a pretty big deal |
| 00:35.20 | nima | i mean their programs |
| 00:35.37 | nima | like google earth, and picasa |
| 00:37.16 | nima | they seem to support free software a good bit, but they wont do it with any of their own software |
| 00:37.28 | grendal_prime | abrotman, this thing is huge. |
| 00:38.00 | abrotman | what thing? |
| 00:38.10 | grendal_prime | logfile |
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| 00:38.34 | grendal_prime | trying to figure out where the last logon starts..or is the entire 0.log the last login? |
| 00:38.43 | ras | My mixer icon has a big X on it and I cant hear no sound, how do I fix this missing driver problem [I think thats the cause] |
| 00:38.54 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ALL of /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:38.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:39.30 | grendal_prime | not #flood? |
| 00:40.53 | rockstar_ | I'm trying to compile e17 and it's got some files that are forcing it to install to /usr/local/bin but dpkg wants to put it in /usr/bin How do I tell dpkg-buildpackage to stop... I think it's causing some problems later on when I compile other libraries. |
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| 00:42.28 | SeanTater | Okay -- I realized that my clock is not local, it is utc, I ran ntpdate to fix it, will it change the clock on my other distro? |
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| 00:44.03 | abrotman | rockstar_: ask #e |
| 00:44.25 | Sebo | Hi!! |
| 00:45.13 | rockstar_ | abrotman, yeah, I'm there right now, no one has anything to say... |
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| 00:48.20 | ras | HELP!!! my mixer icon has a big X on it and I cant hear no sound, how do I fix this missing driver problem [I think thats the cause] |
| 00:48.40 | SeanTater | RestrictedFormats is to ubuntu as ___ is to debian (Where might I find a page on what to install for multimedia codecs?) |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | !tell SeanTater about w32codecs |
| 00:49.47 | SeanTater | abrotman: but avi, wma and such are not the only ones I need |
| 00:50.07 | abrotman | so don't be so vague |
| 00:50.17 | SeanTater | abrotman: how about .mov and .mp3 and such? |
| 00:50.46 | abrotman | .mp3 can be played by tons of things .. .mov can be played with w32codecs |
| 00:50.51 | abrotman | some of them anyways |
| 00:50.57 | dabreegster | SeanTater: mpg321 |
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| 00:51.18 | stoned | lol |
| 00:51.24 | stoned | fist shaking, cute |
| 00:51.59 | Sebo | Is it possible to connect 2 monitors to debian PC and to make one displaying terminal and second video from cctv cam?? Which hardwere would I have to buy to do so?? Is it enough to get second graphic card ;> |
| 00:52.05 | abrotman | well .. i'd use a baseball bat in the orifice .. but i think that's illegal |
| 00:52.09 | stoned | lol |
| 00:52.24 | stoned | Sebo, yes |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | Sebo: you mean besides the cctv feed? and a card that can do tvin ? |
| 00:52.40 | stoned | Seb, you need two video cards for this |
| 00:53.10 | stoned | Seb, one to display only terminal, hooked to monitor A, while 2nd one to monitor B and configured for X/cctv |
| 00:53.15 | Seb | stoned: possibly. Got weed though ? :) |
| 00:53.21 | stoned | oh |
| 00:53.23 | stoned | sorry |
| 00:53.26 | stoned | damn nick completinog |
| 00:53.31 | stoned | fuck! |
| 00:53.38 | stoned | pretend my keyboard doesn't suck |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | it's probably a dell |
| 00:54.16 | stoned | Sebo, although I don't know how you would have that keyboard/mouse working in a situation like this |
| 00:54.21 | stoned | lol, asshole |
| 00:54.29 | stoned | no its a HP/Thompson multimedia keybaord |
| 00:54.33 | stoned | wireless |
| 00:55.07 | stoned | I added a second video card, however, I need more monitors, I've only got 2 monitors and 1 tv hooked up |
| 00:55.40 | Vasistha | "only" |
| 00:56.20 | Sebo | ;] first I'm just thinking what I need to buy :P |
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| 01:00.09 | Sebo | and I'm thinking about video card(SDVR-408LX for 4 cams and with Linux software) |
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| 01:02.23 | Sebo | I don't need mice in my system ;) keybord would be enough ;] |
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| 01:03.20 | jbrimble | !chroot |
| 01:03.20 | dpkg | somebody said chroot was a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 01:03.29 | Vasistha | I also don't need mice in my system, they tend to chew on wires |
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| 01:06.01 | Sebo | It's acctualy DB server at my dads shoop but we got an idea to make it responsible alsow for cctv |
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| 01:07.04 | kazukisan | I am looking for a distro like ubuntu but that has support for 64 bit distro that allows 64 and 32 bit applications install together instaid of in a chroot jail shell like ubuntu does anyone know of one :D |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | suse |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | and that implies you should ask #suse |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | i believe they have a biarch distro |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | or use solaris :) |
| 01:08.18 | h3sp4wn | kazukisan: I think gentoo can |
| 01:08.31 | kazukisan | ii dont like gentoos package system that much yet |
| 01:08.44 | h3sp4wn | Why not ? |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | why ask why .. drink bud dry |
| 01:09.13 | kazukisan | well i dont know it too well and i keep breaking packages |
| 01:09.19 | kazukisan | some how |
| 01:09.22 | asg | abrotman: that sounds like a really bad redneck gay porn flick |
| 01:09.22 | etrask | alright, hypertrophic pulmonary osteodystrophy |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | asg: that was the bud dry logo |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | erm .. motto |
| 01:09.48 | asg | abrotman: I know |
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| 01:10.09 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 01:10.39 | asg | bl0w: turn that off |
| 01:10.39 | kazukisan | and plus i never ever get help in gentoos irc channel |
| 01:10.41 | abrotman | !tell bl0w about away |
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| 01:11.29 | jarango | Is there debian packages for compiz ? What is the repository ? |
| 01:11.36 | regeya | wow, people here still get uptight about away messages...cut back on the coffee, people, sheesh... |
| 01:11.57 | asg | regeya: and if all 600 people had them? |
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| 01:12.23 | regeya | asg: I'd move for decent client-end filtering. |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | like kicking them all out |
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| 01:13.49 | regeya | abrotman: that ought to win a few users over to the debian camp |
| 01:14.16 | abrotman | if they're stupid enough to use public away announcement .. we don't want them :) |
| 01:14.27 | nixr | ha |
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| 01:15.14 | etrask | hahah |
| 01:15.14 | regeya | wow |
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| 01:16.13 | regeya | I've met a few debian users who have that opinion who also forget to change the oil in their cars. define stupid. :-) or don't. I think my continuation of this is proof that I also need to cut back on the coffee. nevermind. :-D |
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| 01:17.01 | etrask | that wasn't a pr-- |
| 01:17.02 | etrask | FINE! |
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| 01:17.20 | asg | fuck coffee, drink beer |
| 01:17.24 | etrask | No. |
| 01:17.29 | asg | yes |
| 01:17.39 | etrask | Oh, well if a random internet strange told me it was okay... |
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| 01:17.44 | i3igmind | hello |
| 01:17.52 | etrask | stranger* |
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| 01:18.33 | etrask | hi, i3igmind |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | grendal_prime: wtf was that? |
| 01:19.27 | simonrvn | fricking thing keeps crashing (SEGV) |
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| 01:19.36 | asg | simonrvn: what does? |
| 01:19.56 | abrotman | i bet it starts with a k |
| 01:20.54 | i3igmind | i'm trying to install subversion , i did apt-get install subversion but i get error |
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| 01:21.05 | abrotman | which is? |
| 01:21.06 | crogue5 | how can you erase a CD-RW on a machine that doens't have K3B installed? |
| 01:21.31 | crogue5 | Places>CD/DVD Creator doens't have the option that i can find |
| 01:21.32 | asg | crogue5: with cdrecord |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | man cdrecord |
| 01:21.43 | crogue5 | ok |
| 01:21.44 | crogue5 | thanks |
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| 01:22.19 | simonrvn | googleearth |
| 01:22.26 | poonj | hey guys..anyone here have the default config file for the debian 2.6.16 kernel? |
| 01:22.30 | i3igmind | oh never mind i looks like i miss typed it :$ |
| 01:22.54 | asg | poonj: it's the /boot/config-* that came with the package |
| 01:23.29 | i3igmind | i want to use the backdoor ports where can i get instructions |
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| 01:23.33 | abrotman | poonj: checked/ boot/? |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:24.10 | poonj | I am trying to do an upgrade...so I jus downloaded the source.. |
| 01:24.23 | poonj | I was just wondering if I Can just grab the config file itself.. |
| 01:24.26 | i3igmind | poonj: apt-get update |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | btw .. i don't think there is a 2.6.16 in debian anymore |
| 01:24.31 | poonj | oh? |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | etch is 2.6.15 and sid is 2.6.17 |
| 01:25.06 | i3igmind | abrotman: where can i get info for backdoorports |
| 01:25.08 | asg | abrotman: isn't there still a backported one at backports? |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | i3igmind: for what? |
| 01:25.21 | poonj | I'll just stick with the 2.6.15 source |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | asg: probably |
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| 01:25.47 | i3igmind | abrotman: pakages |
| 01:26.01 | abrotman | !tell i3igmind about backports |
| 01:26.02 | zn- | backdooredports now |
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| 01:26.19 | i3igmind | abrotman: thanks mat |
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| 01:26.27 | i3igmind | *mate |
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| 01:28.09 | xlotlu | is there a way to have apt upgrade packages from testing, without pinning those specific packages? (i have a pin-priority of 600 for stable, and 50 for other) |
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| 01:30.14 | i3igmind | how can i tell if my debian is stable or sarge? |
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| 01:30.23 | m0dular` | private |
| 01:30.28 | gravity | i3igmind: Same thing |
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| 01:30.49 | abrotman | i3igmind: look in your sources .. but they are currently the same thing |
| 01:30.51 | i3igmind | gravity: what do u mean? |
| 01:31.02 | gravity | i3igmind: sarge is stable currently |
| 01:31.09 | xlotlu | i3igmind: stable===sarge. until the next stable release |
| 01:31.14 | i3igmind | oh |
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| 01:31.41 | xlotlu | i3igmind, when etch will be stable, they will actually point the stable symlink to etch |
| 01:33.22 | i3igmind | man i'm deffently going to rent TOY story so i can keep up with the names lol |
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| 01:36.01 | i3igmind | i can't find /etc/apt/prefrences is that normal |
| 01:36.16 | i3igmind | can i just create that file |
| 01:36.34 | xlotlu | i3igmind: yes; man apt_preefrences |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | create it |
| 01:37.45 | i3igmind | xlotlu: i got No manual entry for preferences |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | man apt_preferences |
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| 01:38.23 | xlotlu | basically what i want is to have apt assign a higher priority to versions that are not installed and do *not* belong to the target release |
| 01:38.33 | i3igmind | duh |
| 01:39.36 | PhorceP | what was that tinyurl Geekboy just gave me? |
| 01:39.48 | PhorceP | wrong chan |
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| 01:45.38 | iankesterhaney | mac install fubared |
| 01:46.06 | iankesterhaney | got to 35% of a format of / and cracked the partman server on 3.1r2 and etch |
| 01:46.07 | PhorceP | Anyone have a work-around for bug #375689? |
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| 01:48.08 | i3igmind | bash: make: command not found while im root |
| 01:48.15 | abrotman | !dbugs 375689 |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | !b-e i3igmind |
| 01:48.18 | dpkg | #375689:I[xserver-xorg] Instructions on how to reconfigure xserver-xorg are incorrect; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:03:56 UTC |
| 01:48.18 | dpkg | i3igmind: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 01:48.30 | i3igmind | that's the one lol |
| 01:48.54 | Kassah | is there a way to find out why certain packages are held back in apt-get -su upgrade ? |
| 01:49.59 | crogue5 | i can't reload the repositories in my Synaptic... they just all fail |
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| 01:51.18 | seeds | how can i mount my ipod in debian? |
| 01:51.22 | i3igmind | Debian Configuration, "Select locales to be generated" |
| 01:51.57 | seeds | i can mount using usbfs but gktpod can't find it |
| 01:52.04 | i3igmind | aa_dj ISO-8859-1 and alot of them which one should i check on |
| 01:52.28 | orchid | seeds: try mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /media/ipod (after mkdir /media/ipod) |
| 01:53.01 | seeds | hey orchid. i tried that |
| 01:53.32 | seeds | it wont mount with vfat |
| 01:53.42 | seeds | only with usbfs |
| 01:53.48 | orchid | hmm |
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| 01:53.55 | i3igmind | abrotman: which one should i have aa_dj ISO-8859-1 and alot of them which one should i check on |
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| 01:54.18 | abrotman | i3igmind: for .. what? |
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| 01:55.14 | orchid | seeds the fs on the ipod is vfat though surely? |
| 01:55.18 | i3igmind | abrotman: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:55.34 | vin` | orchid: there are ones with hfs |
| 01:55.36 | seeds | yea |
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| 01:55.53 | abrotman | i3igmind: you should check the ones for your language ? |
| 01:55.57 | seeds | funny thing is i could run it in kernel 2.4 |
| 01:55.59 | orchid | vin`: ah ok well I dunno then |
| 01:56.10 | seeds | using hfs |
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| 01:56.23 | Bac9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.35 | PhorceP | So nobody knows how I can regenerate xorg.conf? |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | Bac9: apt-cache search ups |
| 01:56.45 | vin` | seeds: well then it's not vfat it *is* hfs, the vfat one mounts here in 2.6 without any issues. |
| 01:56.53 | i3igmind | abrotman: right after i did |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | english |
| 01:57.11 | Bac9 | abrotman: yeah I can see a lot of choices, I just don't know which to try |
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| 01:57.29 | Bac9 | abrotman: can you recommend? |
| 01:57.30 | seeds | k |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | !info apcupsd sarge |
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| 01:57.53 | abrotman | i think that's the one most use |
| 01:57.53 | dpkg | apcupsd: (APC UPS Power Management), section admin, is extra. Version: 3.10.17-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 307 kB, Installed size: 1068 kB |
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| 01:59.18 | m_n_p | i'm using a debian-based live cd and i need to know how to make a home image in sda1 |
| 01:59.24 | m_n_p | like knoppix |
| 01:59.43 | litage | is it possible to ask mailman (the mailing list manager) to send you old messages? |
| 01:59.46 | stew | m_n_p: please find a channel that is specific to your distro |
| 01:59.52 | stew | m_n_p: we only support debian here |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | litage: i've had good luck asking #mailman |
| 02:00.25 | Bac9 | abrotman: hanx |
| 02:00.27 | Bac9 | abrotman: thanx |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | litage: might be able to request a digest |
| 02:00.36 | i3igmind | abrotman: so what do u think |
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| 02:00.44 | abrotman | i3igmind: i have no idea .. i can't understand your question |
| 02:00.51 | litage | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:01.10 | abrotman | i3igmind: try to rephrase it |
| 02:01.19 | jbrimble | Someone told me that VSFTPD is available through apt-get, where can I find some sources to get it? |
| 02:01.21 | i3igmind | i did |
| 02:01.41 | abrotman | jbrimble: apt-cache search vsftp |
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| 02:01.57 | jbrimble | It doesn't bring anything up |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | it damn well should |
| 02:02.45 | Kassah | did anyone have an answer to my question? |
| 02:03.07 | abrotman | !held back |
| 02:03.08 | dpkg | kept back is probably when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
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| 02:09.51 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:09.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:10.17 | Hoxzer | !moo |
| 02:10.18 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:10.21 | Hoxzer | lol |
| 02:13.45 | bronze | OMG! COWZ |
| 02:16.02 | liable | !baah |
| 02:16.03 | dpkg | baaaaaaaah |
| 02:16.28 | abrotman | figures the aussie would do that |
| 02:17.03 | liable | how many times do i need to say it! thats a kiwi thing.. :P |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | !kangaroo noise |
| 02:18.25 | liable | whats that skip? abortman fell down the well? tck tck tck tck :D |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | !info skippy |
| 02:19.00 | dpkg | skippy: (full-screen X11 task/window switcher, similar to OSX Expose), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.1rc1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | is skippy like lassie? |
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| 02:19.35 | liable | yep |
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| 02:19.58 | abrotman | but an australian sheep dog? |
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| 02:20.08 | liable | skippy the bush kangaroo.. |
| 02:20.14 | liable | google it |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | erm .. shepard |
| 02:20.33 | akira | can you recommend some good linux books? |
| 02:21.04 | nima | akira, what are you looking for? and introduction? |
| 02:21.17 | seeds | linux bible |
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| 02:21.24 | abrotman | shepherd |
| 02:22.01 | liable | !typosmite abrotman |
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| 02:22.09 | akira | nima: no, not an introduction. i need a book that will help me learn every aspect of linux, deep info. |
| 02:22.10 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/books |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:23.01 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:23.17 | nima | what was the other !*smite |
| 02:23.31 | i3igmind | abrotman: when i did apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:23.33 | liable | theres hundreds of em |
| 02:23.45 | nima | !gentoosmite liable |
| 02:23.51 | nima | thats the one i remember |
| 02:24.42 | liable | i hope you did the PENIS=--super-dong flag |
| 02:25.03 | Nooro | hi all... my sysadmin is away and I had to add an ip to a machine behind our debian firewall box... |
| 02:25.05 | Nooro | I edited /etc/rc.firewall ... but how do I restart the firewall service so it reads those new settings? |
| 02:25.05 | abrotman | more like PENIS=--maximum-compensation |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | Nooro: which distro is that on? |
| 02:26.15 | Nooro | abrotman: not sure, a very recent debian tho. sorry, how do I tell? |
| 02:26.46 | liable | rc.firewall? |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | Nooro: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 02:27.41 | bulio | where can I get a .deb of firefox bon echo? |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | of .. what? |
| 02:28.37 | i3igmind | abrotman: and then i got blue screen with "Debian Configuration" " |
| 02:28.55 | abrotman | and then ? |
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| 02:29.48 | i3igmind | abrotman: then i get "select locales to be changed...a[] aa_DJ IsO-8859-1" and a lot options |
| 02:30.08 | abrotman | and then ? |
| 02:30.17 | bulio | its not in etch repository |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | bulio: what isn't? |
| 02:30.38 | bulio | firefox bon echo |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | wtf is bon echo ? |
| 02:30.47 | bulio | I'm looking for a .deb package of it |
| 02:30.48 | i3igmind | abrotman: i don't know which one to choose |
| 02:30.50 | bulio | firefox 2 alpha |
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| 02:30.59 | abrotman | bulio: oh .. ffs .. check apt-get.org |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | bulio: or maybe ask on irc.mozilla.org .. but i doubt you'll find any |
| 02:31.36 | bulio | thanks |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | i3igmind: pick the one for the country or language you need |
| 02:31.45 | Nooro | abrotman: I ran cat /etc/debian_version and got 3.1 |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | Nooro: where did you get rc.firewall ? |
| 02:32.46 | PhorceP | Anyone have a work-around for bug #375689? |
| 02:32.56 | Nooro | abrotman: I found it in his root history: nano -w /etc/rc.firewall |
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| 02:33.13 | abrotman | his who? |
| 02:33.30 | Nooro | I hit the up arrow a lot once I signed on as root |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | Nooro: is there anything in tha tfile? |
| 02:33.34 | Nooro | :) |
| 02:33.46 | Nooro | all our firewall settings are in there so it seems current |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | Nooro: who is the other root? |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | Nooro: ok... look in /etc/init.d/ for a script to start the firewall .. or /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 02:34.36 | vin` | that's the main one, this is a wannabe |
| 02:34.40 | Nooro | my employee, korozion, set everything up. now he's @&$^& camping |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | Nooro: and next time .. tell your admin to learn how to setup the firewall :) |
| 02:35.00 | SeanTater_ | I want to remove items from the k-menu, will that remove anything from the gnome menu? |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | Nooro: darn hippies |
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| 02:37.46 | FunnyLookinHat | Is there a way I can search to see if a certain package is in debian repos (I'm not running debian or using it's mirrors so i was hoping to find a web interface) |
| 02:37.49 | dvs | FunnyLookinHat: wrong distro. ;-) |
| 02:37.55 | FunnyLookinHat | dvs, haha, I know I know |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | FunnyLookinHat: packages.debian.org |
| 02:38.04 | FunnyLookinHat | abrotman, thank you very much : ) |
| 02:38.16 | abrotman | FunnyLookinHat: of course .. since you're not running debian.. it won't really matter |
| 02:38.17 | liable | missing nose |
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| 02:39.18 | FunnyLookinHat | abrotman, well, i was looking to see if someone had uploaded / submitted mythTV packages to the debian repos that hadn't been synched over to ubuntu repos yet |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | FunnyLookinHat: doubtful .. they might be in new .. but that's it |
| 02:40.02 | abrotman | and they're not in new |
| 02:40.05 | FunnyLookinHat | abrotman, yea I just checked and there are none to be found |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | you could have just asked |
| 02:40.41 | FunnyLookinHat | i know there are non-official repositories with myth packages so I'm going to look towards there to see if we can get them approved and submitted for ubuntu, then move them over to debian mirrors |
| 02:40.53 | abrotman | that won't happen |
| 02:40.56 | FunnyLookinHat | Oh? |
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| 02:41.34 | FunnyLookinHat | abrotman, why do you say that? |
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| 02:41.56 | abrotman | i'm 99% sure mytv is not DFSG free (much like mplayer) |
| 02:42.21 | laoba | is mytv a player? |
| 02:42.28 | FunnyLookinHat | laoba, he meant mythtv |
| 02:42.28 | abrotman | !mythtv |
| 02:42.29 | dpkg | [mythtv] software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org. Packages can be found in <marillat>. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 02:42.51 | laoba | what's a TiVo? |
| 02:42.55 | FunnyLookinHat | Yea, I emailed christian marillat earlier today because I had heard he was working on it a bit, but turns out he's not. |
| 02:43.02 | FunnyLookinHat | laoba, TV recording for your computer |
| 02:43.03 | abrotman | laoba: do you have a debian question ? |
| 02:43.10 | FunnyLookinHat | abrotman, lol, be nice |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | that was nice |
| 02:43.27 | FunnyLookinHat | I suppose |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | FunnyLookinHat: regardless .. i believe mythtv is in the same category as mplayer |
| 02:43.53 | laoba | abrotman: i am picking up on u had mentioned, here in #debian. |
| 02:44.04 | laoba | anything wrong with that? |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 02:44.23 | FunnyLookinHat | abrotman, Ok, thank you for your help : ) |
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| 02:45.15 | laoba | can those tuner be used for cable tv? |
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| 02:46.03 | eps | what is the metapackage to install all of the gnome admin and desktop admin toys? I installed gnome-desktop-environment and it got many of them but left out several I like |
| 02:46.07 | eps | suggestions? |
| 02:46.17 | liable | dont you need a decoder for cable? but i guess you can plug it in after the decoder |
| 02:46.41 | laoba | i am having a video problem. when i stream in fullscreen, the sound is out of sync, it races ahead of the picture. can someone tell me why? |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 02:46.42 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 02:46.58 | Nooro | abrotman: nothing in those folders that looked like it would start the firewall, but I ran "history" and... |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | laoba: which versino of debian .. and which viewer ? |
| 02:47.33 | laoba | abrotman: etch with mplayer with firefox with mplayerplug-in. |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | guess you should ask #mplayer |
| 02:47.51 | eps | thanks abrotman |
| 02:48.01 | Nooro | ...it looks like after each time he nano's that /etc/rc.firewall it's followed by just that filename, like he's executing it |
| 02:48.10 | laoba | abrotman: or mozilla or debian. |
| 02:48.17 | liable | Nooro: is it a script? |
| 02:48.19 | abrotman | mplayer isn't in debian |
| 02:48.54 | laoba | abrotman: there is an unofficial site for it. |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | laoba: it's NOT IN DEBIAN .. ask #mplayer |
| 02:49.13 | liable | laoba: with mplayer you can sync the audio, but i dont think you can with the plugin |
| 02:49.23 | laoba | abrotman: i can ask anywhere i want. |
| 02:49.26 | Nooro | liable: yes, seems to be and "generated by quicktables" it says |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | laoba: this is the wrong channel .. mplayer isn't in debian .. |
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| 02:49.58 | liable | Nooro: so run it i guess. |
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| 02:50.01 | laoba | abrotman: myth isn't in debian too. |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | no crap |
| 02:50.12 | laoba | i mean mythtv |
| 02:50.42 | Nooro | laoba: I imagine you might get the answers you seek in #mplayer |
| 02:50.42 | eps | yes it is |
| 02:51.07 | laoba | no it is not, gnome is not debian, firewall is not debian.... |
| 02:51.16 | Nooro | liable: thx, I guess I have to try it and find out |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | gnome is in debian |
| 02:51.35 | abrotman | so is iptables |
| 02:52.15 | laoba | abrotman: open up that narrow slit mind of yours. |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | laoba: the softare you want help with is NOT IN DEBIAN .. this channel is to support debian .. stop being a whiney bitch |
| 02:52.46 | i3igmind | hello |
| 02:53.01 | laoba | abrotman: gfy. |
| 02:53.08 | abrotman | laoba: oh .. you're that troll again .. |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | i should have recognized you |
| 02:53.16 | lunitik | laoba: you're going to get banned ... mplayer is not in the debian archive... it is not distributable by Debian... its certainly not supportable by Debian |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | lunitik: he's been banned before .. he's a troll |
| 02:53.36 | laoba | abrotman: u r calling your own father a bitch. u stupid son of a bitch. |
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| 02:53.42 | etrask | hahah |
| 02:53.43 | universee | hello everyone,somebody tell me that linux has copied some codes from freebsd,is that true or false?who can tell me ,tks. |
| 02:53.45 | etrask | oh noes |
| 02:53.48 | dvs | !ops laoba is trolling |
| 02:53.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: dvs complains about: laoba is trolling |
| 02:53.56 | etrask | you'll never be able to ban cm200.epsilon175.maxonline.com.sg |
| 02:53.58 | etrask | now that he left! |
| 02:53.58 | dvs | too late |
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| 02:54.09 | abrotman | the telltale sign is when he tells someone to "gfy" |
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| 02:54.20 | liable | bah, he wasnt even really trolling, just ignore him and it wouldnt have happened.. |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | which happens EVERY time he's here |
| 02:54.24 | etrask | what's the point of abusing this room? |
| 02:54.24 | Ronin | universee: its entirely possible but who cares really |
| 02:54.32 | dvs | !gfy |
| 02:54.32 | dpkg | hmm... gfy is http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ |
| 02:54.33 | Ronin | lunitik: go feck yourself |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | lunitik: G F Y |
| 02:54.39 | Ronin | sort of |
| 02:54.44 | Sebo | Have you got any idea what 'display card' is for?? |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | etrask: he's a repeat offender |
| 02:54.56 | lunitik | Oh, I could have probably guessed that :/ |
| 02:54.59 | universee | hello everyone,somebody tell me that linux has copied some codes from freebsd,is that true or false?who can tell me ,tks. |
| 02:55.06 | jbrimble | Has anyone in here had experience with setting up vsftpd? |
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| 02:55.08 | etrask | abrotman: i gathered as much... but what the hell for? |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | etrask: mental deficiency |
| 02:55.22 | amphi | universee: grep the source |
| 02:55.24 | Sebo | I mean: http://newsurway.com/products_details.asp?id=205 this dispaly card for instance ;] |
| 02:55.28 | abrotman | always with a differentnick .. same MO |
| 02:55.29 | Ronin | jbrimble: many have, best just to ask the question |
| 02:55.42 | lunitik | universee: pretty much every OS on earth has taken code from *BSD ... their License allows for it, and its generally good code... |
| 02:56.14 | jbrimble | I'm getting this error: 500 OOPS: cannot open user list file:/etc/vsftpd.user_list |
| 02:56.18 | jbrimble | I haven't made vsftpd.user_list yet, but how do i lay the file out? |
| 02:56.27 | lunitik | universee: for instance... Windows XP's FTP libraries to this day contain the BSD license... |
| 02:56.44 | etrask | whoa, MS actually honored the licenses? |
| 02:56.46 | etrask | didn't just take it? |
| 02:56.48 | eps | how do you find out which version of gcc your kernel was compiled with? |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | etrask: BSDL is about the freedom of the devleoper .. not the code |
| 02:57.10 | lunitik | etrask: yup... its hidden away though... |
| 02:57.39 | etrask | abrotman: i'm more familiar with the GPL, but I assumed BSD had a contingency that you give credit to the source of the code |
| 02:57.42 | abrotman | Nooro: worst that happens .. you can't connect anymore :) |
| 02:57.53 | abrotman | etrask: check at opensource.org .. it should say |
| 02:57.55 | etrask | [eg: "we got this code from OpenBSD" or something similar] |
| 02:58.02 | dabreegster | eps: buildinfo.gz in your linux-image's doc directory. |
| 02:58.04 | lunitik | etrask: all that BSD licenses require is that you distribute the license with the code... |
| 02:58.14 | Nooro | abrotman: that means a long drive and some pissed off clients and no sleep |
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| 02:58.19 | eps | thanks dabreegster |
| 02:58.21 | etrask | ah |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | Nooro: you should have gone camping |
| 02:58.27 | dabreegster | eps: Assuming you're referring to a stock kernel |
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| 02:58.58 | abrotman | lunitik: the trick is "with the code" |
| 02:59.04 | eps | dabreegster: yeah, linux-image-2.6.17-1-686 |
| 02:59.12 | eps | the gcc version and the headers don't match |
| 02:59.42 | eps | unless... *updates aptitude and checks for any updates* |
| 03:00.10 | jbrimble | Nobody has any ideas? |
| 03:00.14 | eps | mmm only a new linux-kbuild (what ever that is) |
| 03:00.53 | lunitik | abrotman: BSD licenses require distribution of the license with the code whether its in binary or source form... perhaps I worded that correctly... |
| 03:00.53 | lunitik | incorrectly* |
| 03:00.53 | CHodapp | Can anyone suggest why a weekly build etch for AMD64 that I'm using chooses to use a amd64-blah-k8 kernel by default, yet only comes with amd64-blah-generic headers, which seems to complicate the task of building certain drivers? |
| 03:00.53 | eps | no sorry jbrimble |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | lunitik: yes ... but where's the license? |
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| 03:01.01 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm sure it's there somewhere |
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| 03:01.44 | lunitik | abrotman: usually in the source files for linux ... its contained in the same dir as ftp.exe on XP |
| 03:01.49 | kjdis | I connected a USB flash drive and got "usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" but I cannot find the drive, it's not under any /dev/sda* or /dev/sdb*, anyone know what it would be? |
| 03:02.12 | Nooro | abrotman: going to wait a couple of hours until my servers settle down a bit |
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| 03:02.22 | abrotman | wussy |
| 03:02.34 | Nooro | on an unrelated note, what time are you here until? :) |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | about 30 more seconds :) |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | it's 11pm here ... |
| 03:03.02 | Nooro | ditto |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | lunitik: bugs.debian.org .. enjoy |
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| 03:04.04 | lunitik | abrotman: haha... I've been browsing that rather a lot actually... its not really fulfilling though... |
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| 03:04.34 | abrotman | try bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 03:04.57 | lunitik | later abrotman |
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| 03:05.10 | abrotman | gah .. gluck news on /. |
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| 03:05.14 | orlock | Ha - Ha! |
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| 03:05.16 | orlock | </nelson> |
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| 03:06.21 | lunitik | -o |
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| 03:10.29 | etrask | i'm tired :( |
| 03:11.29 | amphi | lunitik: international drugs? what are you raving about? ;) |
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| 03:29.09 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 03:29.31 | kepht | anyone know how to build the lastest Abiword for GTK2 ? |
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| 03:29.45 | poonj | I'm using gcc 4.0.3 to compile a new kernel using the debian source...I'm getting some warnings...is that normal? |
| 03:30.12 | etrask | are they warnings about casting? |
| 03:30.20 | etrask | "Casting int to float", etc? |
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| 03:30.48 | poonj | mostlike different files or functions "maybe used uninitialized in this function" |
| 03:31.04 | kepht | poonj: really only need to worry if you get errors, some warnings are benign |
| 03:31.15 | poonj | kepht, okay |
| 03:31.45 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, anyone here using Xen? |
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| 03:32.17 | guk | How would I find out what speed my RAM is running ? |
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| 03:32.55 | stew | guk: dmidecode is your best bet |
| 03:33.02 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: just ask your actual question |
| 03:33.10 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: or ask #xen |
| 03:33.29 | Led_Zeppelin | k |
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| 03:37.42 | etrask | There's nothin' cooler than droppin' thine G's off thine gerunds. |
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| 03:45.07 | stew | eps: install build-essential |
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| 03:46.41 | eps | sweet, that was the meta package I was looking for :) |
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| 03:49.37 | KhanFused | How does one force a kernel compile job to use an earlier version of gcc? I'm trying to compile a 2.4.32 kernel -- and according to googlemagic, gcc4 and 2.4.32 don't like one another. Unfortunately - I can't think of the search terms to (as recommended) compile with gcc3.4. Suggestions, por favor? |
| 03:49.48 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know a place to download Debian User domain kernels for Xen? |
| 03:50.10 | shogunx | KhanFused try setting the cc and gcc variables in the Makefile |
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| 03:52.10 | stew | KhanFused: dont' edit the makefile, set the CC and HOSTCC env variables to point to /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 03:52.37 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:52.42 | shogunx | that works too. |
| 03:53.10 | shogunx | stew why that method... doable from the shell? |
| 03:53.16 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: Etch |
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| 03:53.35 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: you can apt-get a linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-$arch kernel |
| 03:53.40 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: currently using Xen 3.0 default kernel for domain0 and DomainU |
| 03:53.50 | Led_Zeppelin | strew: hmm really? |
| 03:53.59 | stew | shogunx: well it seems like they have those env vars for a reason |
| 03:54.01 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: really? |
| 03:54.16 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: oh, hmm probably only unstable actuall |
| 03:54.25 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: though so :- |
| 03:54.27 | Led_Zeppelin | :-) |
| 03:55.14 | stew | http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-686 |
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| 03:57.49 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: so, is etch unstable? |
| 03:57.52 | Led_Zeppelin | or testing? |
| 03:58.01 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: testing |
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| 03:58.55 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: where is the schema for this again? stable=xxxx unstable=xxx sid=sid ? |
| 03:59.37 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: unstable is alwyas codenamed sid. stable is currently sarge, testing is currently etch. someday etch will be stable and something new will be testing http://debian.org/releases |
| 03:59.44 | KhanFused | hmmkay ... thanks stew, shogunx ... I'll know this works if the compile doesn't crash in 10 minutes |
| 03:59.55 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: thanks stew! |
| 04:00.05 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: your welcome Led_Zeppelin |
| 04:00.24 | stew | hmm that url isn't currently working "/msg dpkg releases" |
| 04:00.26 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: u a xen user? |
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| 04:01.07 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: well i'm using it to stage stuff to go onto to production servers, i'm not a very heavy or experienced user though |
| 04:02.17 | stew | !releases is also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 04:02.17 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 04:04.28 | Led_Zeppelin | stew: guessing you have all Debian hosts, right? |
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| 04:05.23 | [xt] | is debian unsafe to use now? |
| 04:06.09 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: i do |
| 04:06.14 | eps | why would it not be safe? |
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| 04:06.46 | obcp | hi |
| 04:07.03 | [xt] | cause one of their servers got hacked and it was presumably running debian |
| 04:07.34 | obcp | is it true debian serv have ben hacked? |
| 04:07.53 | eps | servers get hacked all the time |
| 04:07.53 | stew | [xt]: we have not yet gotten any detailed information about how it was compromised or what damage was done |
| 04:08.00 | stew | obcp: /msg dpkg gluck compromise |
| 04:09.19 | lunitik | Whoa... gluck was compromised? Any packages effected? |
| 04:09.32 | obcp | thats all the info about that? |
| 04:09.49 | eps | at work our main ubuntu boarder proxy was brute forced ten days ago and we caught up with the damage being inflicted on our bandwidth bill yesterday (poor undernet had an extra 2mbit being thrown at it :|) ... lesson to all, even sandbox accounts are at threat :P |
| 04:09.56 | zinx | lunitik: no one knows yet.. |
| 04:09.57 | stew | obcp: so far, yes |
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| 04:10.40 | RainbowW | anybody speak qmail? i'm trying to migrate my install from one server to another, and set up the old server to be the backup mx receiver, but at the moment i've got a mail loop going between the two boxes. |
| 04:10.51 | rhys | why the hell is it so hard to get ride of the MTA on debian? |
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| 04:11.02 | lunitik | rhys: aptitude install nullmailer |
| 04:11.02 | rhys | i have no use for it |
| 04:11.10 | rhys | it shouldnt be on there |
| 04:11.17 | rhys | it shouldnt be running |
| 04:11.19 | lunitik | rhys: its not a base depend in Sid (its not installed here) |
| 04:11.23 | stoned | !enter |
| 04:11.24 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 04:11.33 | RainbowW | i removed exim4 in etch, too. |
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| 04:11.57 | rhys | stoned, sorry. bad habit of yahoo |
| 04:12.07 | stoned | np, just be careful in the future |
| 04:12.32 | eps | lol |
| 04:12.32 | stoned | I had a highschool coach in football named Coach Gluck |
| 04:12.38 | stoned | he was a moron |
| 04:12.47 | stoned | now he is the principal, Principal Gluck |
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| 04:13.04 | stoned | I'm gonna go and umm... work on my box |
| 04:13.26 | stoned | dude, man whats up |
| 04:13.37 | shogunx | just hanging out. |
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| 04:13.44 | shogunx | whats new? |
| 04:13.51 | poonj | is something wrong with pastebin? |
| 04:14.02 | stoned | I lit up my first cig in his face at the School fair after I dropped out of school. Blew smoke in his face, called him a faggot for being a dick to me, and walked off. have not seen him since |
| 04:14.13 | shogunx | hehe |
| 04:14.16 | stew | !pastebin.com |
| 04:14.17 | dpkg | pastebin.com has been horribly slow lately, please use http://channels.debian.net/paste or http://pastebin.ca instead |
| 04:14.17 | stoned | that was 1997 |
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| 04:14.41 | jian1 | why xscreensaver only accepts mouse as *activing* signal? |
| 04:15.03 | jian1 | if not using the mouse for a while, it will suden provoke screensaver and boom, depite I am in the middle of typing |
| 04:15.10 | lunitik | jian1: X is for your mouse... |
| 04:15.15 | jian1 | nah |
| 04:15.17 | jian1 | I use emacs |
| 04:15.20 | jian1 | no mouse involved |
| 04:15.33 | jian1 | it's really annoying |
| 04:15.50 | lunitik | jian1: xemacs you mean? emacs is cli |
| 04:15.51 | stoned | I don't use screensavers, I just turn my monitors off when I'm not using them.. when I am asleep or at work or whatever |
| 04:16.08 | jian1 | ok, so we all agree that xscreensaver sux |
| 04:16.16 | stoned | so why use it? |
| 04:16.25 | eps | silly emacs, |
| 04:16.26 | jian1 | I need to turn off the monitor sometime |
| 04:16.29 | jian1 | emacs is pro! |
| 04:16.40 | jian1 | kscreensaver? |
| 04:16.44 | jian1 | hmm, let me try |
| 04:16.47 | eps | stoned: mmm many people require screen savers |
| 04:16.49 | shogunx | stoned i had every administrator and all my teachers sitting around me in a circle to stop me from running a football pool as a senior... they told me they were going to expell me. i told them that if that happened, nothing in the school would work, and it would look awfully bad in the press if the schools only national merit scholar got expelled. then i left. |
| 04:16.57 | zinx | i use the 'blank screen' screensaver |
| 04:17.00 | eps | for example I'll be installing one before the lan this weekend |
| 04:17.03 | jian1 | those who don't use emacs are semi-rexxxx :P |
| 04:17.05 | jian1 | just a joke |
| 04:17.11 | eps | so many newbs wanting to know if rm -rf / really does work |
| 04:17.16 | eps | fucking windows users |
| 04:17.20 | zinx | mostly for locking the screen, rather than its blanking ability |
| 04:17.28 | jian1 | I need blanking ability |
| 04:17.36 | jian1 | I meant turn off monitor |
| 04:17.41 | jian1 | cut off the power of monitor |
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| 04:17.49 | jian1 | I don't care if it's a screen saver or not |
| 04:18.05 | jian1 | my screen doesn't need a *saver* rahter a *shutter* |
| 04:18.36 | eps | heh |
| 04:18.44 | zinx | xscreensaver can do that, too.. but so can X |
| 04:18.49 | eps | I remember back in the day when screen savers were important... 286's for the loss |
| 04:18.52 | shogunx | jian1 the X11 DPMS option does that, iirc. |
| 04:19.20 | lunitik | Google thinks I have to pay for the driver... that doesn't sound like a good deal to me |
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| 04:19.41 | etrask | haha, "Google thinks" |
| 04:19.50 | stoned | shogunx, I was expelled in my Jr. year of highschool, some football asshole was fucking with me because I quit the team earlier due to all AP/Honors classes and didn' thave time, I played JV 9/10th grade, and quit in my jr. year after two weeks of football, and he was calling me pussy and whatnot for quitting, so I took a scalpel (this was in biology) and I just fucking cut him. I got expelled for two weeks, and I got back in the next year |
| 04:19.50 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.54 | stoned | damn thats a long story |
| 04:20.15 | jian1 | yuck, how to run kscreensaver? |
| 04:20.16 | jian1 | lol |
| 04:20.20 | shogunx | stoned... now thats hardcore. |
| 04:20.21 | jian1 | I have no clue , |
| 04:20.25 | jian1 | after installation |
| 04:20.36 | stoned | shogunx, it was more of a racial intimidation that pissed me off more than him calling me a pussy |
| 04:20.45 | stoned | he got expelled too for racial slurs |
| 04:20.50 | shogunx | jian1 as far as screensavers go, i recommend xlockmore |
| 04:20.55 | lunitik | stoned: you don't get "expelled" for "two weeks"... |
| 04:21.00 | eps | haha I LOVE the fp on /. "Oh no, now they have access to all the Debian source!" |
| 04:21.05 | stoned | lunitik, there were only two weeks of schoo left |
| 04:21.11 | jian1 | thanx shogunx, what I need is a simple thing that can turn off my LCD monitor |
| 04:21.23 | zinx | lunitik: wow, i don't see that listed on linuxprinting.org |
| 04:21.40 | stoned | lunitik, last two years of jr. year, I got expelled, but I got back in the next year |
| 04:21.41 | lunitik | zinx: yeah... I already checked there |
| 04:21.47 | shogunx | jian1 Option "DPMS" or similar... not sure on the exact syntax, in the monitor section of your xorg.conf |
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| 04:22.02 | jian1 | and I want to tune the timings |
| 04:22.06 | shogunx | jian1 if your monitor supports it, that is. |
| 04:22.07 | jian1 | like in xscreensaver, |
| 04:22.17 | jian1 | I meant any time tuning |
| 04:22.24 | zinx | lunitik: you should add an entry, just to get it listed |
| 04:22.27 | stoned | jian1, you're doing it again |
| 04:22.35 | jian1 | like if running on battery I want it to be off after 1 min |
| 04:22.43 | jian1 | but if on adpater, then 15 min is good |
| 04:22.45 | lunitik | jian1: dpkg -L kscreensaver ... should be something to config it |
| 04:22.55 | zinx | jian1: xset dpms force off |
| 04:23.07 | shogunx | jian1 acpi or amd might be your answer then. |
| 04:23.07 | zinx | xian: or check xset's manual for configuring timeouts |
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| 04:23.13 | zinx | erh, jian |
| 04:23.17 | stoned | dpms gave me some shit a while back, everytime I ran ntpdate after starting x it would crash |
| 04:23.24 | zinx | jian1: or.. most of the screensaver stuff can configure it too |
| 04:23.28 | rhys | doesn anyone know what debian does to mount a cd? |
| 04:23.33 | rhys | when your using apt |
| 04:23.34 | rhys | from cds |
| 04:23.42 | jian1 | let me try |
| 04:23.43 | lunitik | jian1: actually, doesn't appear to be... it ends up in the Display settings of KControl ... didn't know it didn't have its own little front end... |
| 04:24.17 | rhys | nvm |
| 04:24.21 | rhys | apparnetly it cant find the cd |
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| 04:24.53 | stoned | wait, if you booted the debian installer with a cd, then how come it can't find the cd? |
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| 04:25.37 | jian1 | yuck, what the heck kscreensaver has? |
| 04:25.48 | jian1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.55 | jian1 | and got an animation :P |
| 04:26.07 | lunitik | jian1: go figure ;) |
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| 04:27.21 | dondelelcaro | stoned: booting is a different step from actually loading the installer |
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| 04:27.37 | dondelelcaro | stoned: the booting part uses the bios; the second steps requires that the kernel can actuall see the cdrom. |
| 04:27.40 | drcode | hi all |
| 04:27.43 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: uses same kernel though does it not? |
| 04:27.53 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: bios!=kernel |
| 04:28.06 | drcode | any one mybe know about a/v server in linux for multi video chat and more? |
| 04:28.12 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: ahh... I thought it loaded linux during install... my fault |
| 04:29.32 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: it does during the second stage of the install; but not when it first loads the installer. |
| 04:29.49 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: IE, it's possible to boot off of the install cd, and then have it fail to detect the cdrom |
| 04:30.12 | jian1 | I discover that when running opengl game, xscreensaver cannot detect keystroke thus put into screensaving mode.... |
| 04:30.13 | jian1 | how come? |
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| 04:30.32 | jian1 | everytime my little ppracer will be intrrupted by xscreensaver |
| 04:30.51 | dondelelcaro | jian1: so disable xscreensaver; there are documented methods of doing that |
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| 04:33.29 | Dewi | does anyone know how to correctly ssh from one locale to another? ssh doesn't seem to do any conversion by default |
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| 04:36.19 | lunitik | If you search for say "ssh locale" aptitude returns a million things... anything related to both terms individually... apt-cache search returns things that match both |
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| 04:37.22 | lunitik | Maybe it takes regular expressions to search for all terms but not necessarily consecutively ? |
| 04:38.22 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: the aptitude manual has more information on the search terms; you probably want something like aptitude search '~nssh~nlocale' |
| 04:38.33 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: see file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html for complete details. |
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| 04:38.53 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: ahhh, thank you :) |
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| 04:40.46 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: np |
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| 04:47.14 | Dewi | I assume $LANG is meant to match the language of my terminal |
| 04:47.25 | Dewi | ssh should really forward that to remote hosts |
| 04:48.44 | dbw | has anyone else had problems with Xorg and NVIDIA on etch? |
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| 04:48.55 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: no, LANG sets the language which is displayed... forwarding it doesn't make much sense. |
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| 04:49.12 | dondelelcaro | (setting TERM and charset, maybe...) |
| 04:49.21 | dbw | after my latest dist-upgrade, the server complains it can't find the NVIDIA module, and i cannot figure out how to roll back to an older version.... |
| 04:49.25 | Hostile | any idea why I have no left channel audio? its not cables or mixer settings. |
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| 04:49.35 | dondelelcaro | dbw: apt-get install foopkg=fooversion; |
| 04:50.50 | dbw | dondelelcaro: yes, i know that, but they changed the package names apparently, now there's all these xserver-xorg-video-*, and the nvidia-glx package is gone |
| 04:51.05 | dbw | i tried using the -legacy packages but they cause X to segfault |
| 04:51.17 | dondelelcaro | dbw: yes, that's part of the xorg transition. |
| 04:51.41 | dbw | hmmmm.... all right |
| 04:51.44 | dbw | what do you suggest? |
| 04:51.49 | dondelelcaro | dbw: nvidia's binary drivers occasionally break because the server moves on; you have to recompile them and/or use nv instead. |
| 04:51.54 | dbw | is this the transition to 7.0 ... ? |
| 04:51.59 | dondelelcaro | yes |
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| 04:52.29 | dbw | I did try to recompile them from their sources, you mean i should use the deb source package? |
| 04:52.46 | dondelelcaro | well, if it didn't work and you recompiled it from their sources, then they haven't updated them yet. |
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| 04:54.04 | dondelelcaro | dbw: you can get it working for the time being by using the nv driver istead. |
| 04:54.35 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: can you do something like 'aptitude search ~R[!B][depends]player~nxine' for instance to find a Xine frontend that isn't broken... or am I misunderstand ~R/adding too many arguments? |
| 04:54.38 | Sanay | hello all |
| 04:54.54 | Sanay | I have the kswapd <defunct> process going zombie |
| 04:55.00 | Sanay | what can I do about it ? |
| 04:55.16 | lunitik | Sanay: lsof it and see whats using it, and kill that? |
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| 04:56.06 | Sanay | lunitik, can I just kill it by it's PID |
| 04:56.19 | tsume | moved to OFTC, why? |
| 04:56.24 | lunitik | Sanay: defunct processes can't be killed usually |
| 04:56.25 | dbw | dondelelcaro: yes, i've done that, now i want it to not suck ;) |
| 04:56.28 | lunitik | !oftc move |
| 04:56.29 | dpkg | well, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 04:57.06 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: you can do lots of things |
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| 04:57.19 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: I haven't ever tried doing that, but it probably would work |
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| 04:58.12 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: E: Regex compilation error: Invalid regular expression :( |
| 04:58.33 | tsume | lunitik: is it political? |
| 04:58.36 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: I guess you can't say !B :( |
| 04:58.43 | dbw | well that was an adventure |
| 04:59.15 | lunitik | tsume: not really... common organization... read the links |
| 04:59.20 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: you probably want !~R[B]player~nxine' |
| 04:59.40 | tsume | lunitik: I read them and the followups. I'm just curious |
| 05:00.15 | dondelelcaro | tsume: well, they pretty much explain the rational; if you have a particular question, feel free to ask. |
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| 05:00.52 | tsume | dondelelcaro: was the move made or were the majority of the ones in OFTC related in any way to the lilo-haters? |
| 05:00.54 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: bash: !~R[B]player~nxine: event not found <-- first time I did that it said this ... second time returned nothing... weird, I'll play some more :) |
| 05:00.55 | StormBlade | how can i get sound from my guitar in debian |
| 05:01.04 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: thank you again! |
| 05:01.14 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: np |
| 05:01.26 | dondelelcaro | tsume: no, has nothing to do with lilo. |
| 05:01.40 | stew | lunitik: the ! is being interpreted by bash as referring to history, escape it |
| 05:01.42 | tsume | dondelelcaro: okay, just making sure :) |
| 05:01.56 | stew | lunitik: or put the entire thing in quotes so that bash doesn't try to interpret it |
| 05:02.21 | lunitik | tsume: OFTC and Debian are both represented by Software in the Public Interest ... this is the main reasoning... |
| 05:02.47 | dondelelcaro | not that it would matter either; being disatisfied with the running of the network would also be a valid reason to move; it just doesn't happen to be the reason in this case. |
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| 05:03.31 | tsume | lunitik: oh, I see the money trail :) |
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| 05:03.55 | tsume | lunitik: how much does SPI contribute? |
| 05:04.19 | dondelelcaro | tsume: SPI doesn't contribute anything. It's the actual legal entity under which Debian exists. |
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| 05:04.41 | tsume | dondelelcaro: well, contribute as in, what exactly do they do with debian ;) |
| 05:04.55 | tsume | dondelelcaro: OFTC is also under SPI then I assume? |
| 05:05.00 | dondelelcaro | tsume: yes |
| 05:05.10 | lunitik | tsume: SPI is Debian's legal representative ... all donations to Debian goes though SPI, it is Debian's Foundation (Note for profit organization) |
| 05:05.18 | tsume | dondelelcaro: as a separater entity or a DBA? |
| 05:05.21 | dondelelcaro | as was gnome and postgresql, and a few other things. |
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| 05:05.30 | Sanay | lunitik, I don't see any files opened by the defunct "kswapd" |
| 05:05.32 | lunitik | s/Note/not/ |
| 05:05.33 | dondelelcaro | tsume: neither. |
| 05:05.33 | tsume | lunitik: oh. |
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| 05:06.02 | tsume | lunitik: its a for profit, so what? :) |
| 05:06.29 | dondelelcaro | tsume: it has its own governance structures, but can't own anything legally, because it doesn't legally exist. The same holds true for OFTC. |
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| 05:07.30 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: ahh... wait, Gnome and Postgres were under SPI? Did I just read that correctly? |
| 05:07.48 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: gnome was, postgres is (or is planning on it?) |
| 05:08.09 | dondelelcaro | gnome is big enough now to have their own foundation, so they do. |
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| 05:08.57 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: didn't know that... |
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| 05:10.45 | tsume | if kde has the german government backing them majorly, what does gnome have |
| 05:10.52 | tsume | .concat("?") |
| 05:11.33 | dondelelcaro | whatever gnome actually has; it's rather OT for us... |
| 05:12.57 | tsume | omg gnome is poor :) |
| 05:13.25 | tsume | dondelelcaro: I donno, free software and all. Just curious who actually pays and backs them. |
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| 05:14.09 | lunitik | tsume: IBM, Intel, Sun, Red Hat, Novell etc... |
| 05:14.11 | dondelelcaro | tsume: people don't necessarily get payed to do free software; sometimes even when they are, it's not obvious who is paying them. In any event, that's way OT for us. |
| 05:14.18 | dondelelcaro | s/payed/paid/ |
| 05:14.51 | lunitik | tsume: foundation.gnome.org |
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| 05:15.35 | tsume | lunitik: :) I know. and their total gross was 164k. total at the end of year was 25k :( |
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| 05:16.36 | tsume | dondelelcaro: not trying to disobey channel rules ot anything. #debian is one of the last few channels for a discussion which isn't fanboyism |
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| 05:17.13 | lunitik | tsume: if you total all of Gnome's foundation member profits... they're doing ok for themselves... anyways as dondelelcaro said, its OT, just pointing you in the right direction |
| 05:18.08 | Sanay | by the way, which application uses port 113 ? |
| 05:18.26 | tsume | identd |
| 05:18.27 | lunitik | Sanay: cat /etc/services | grep 113 |
| 05:19.14 | Sanay | It says auth uses port 113 |
| 05:19.23 | Sanay | Does it have any use ? |
| 05:19.31 | lunitik | Sanay: it says ident service |
| 05:19.35 | Sanay | because I want to close port 113 on my debian system |
| 05:19.58 | Sanay | It says auth 113/tcp - authentication tap ident |
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| 05:20.18 | Sanay | I think that opening port 113 is a security threat |
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| 05:21.02 | tsume | well later |
| 05:21.10 | tsume | on to oftc in a while I guess |
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| 05:21.24 | Sanay | by the way, how to I close a port |
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| 05:21.50 | liable | Sanay: remove the service |
| 05:22.09 | liable | Sanay: that one in particular is run from inetd |
| 05:22.25 | Sanay | Can't I just close the port using a firewall ? |
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| 05:23.13 | Gnea | Sanay: why do you want to block auth? |
| 05:23.25 | fando | anyone tried to compile the 2.6.18-rc1 kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 05:23.36 | Sanay | Well to close down uncessary ports in my system |
| 05:23.44 | fando | I'm getting errors about something in version.h |
| 05:23.53 | Gnea | well, it's good for irc |
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| 05:24.32 | Sanay | Gnea, you mean if I block port 113, I won't be able to use IRC ? |
| 05:24.52 | liable | no |
| 05:24.53 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I am sshing to a UTF8 machine from a LATIN1 machine |
| 05:25.08 | liable | no, meaning, irc will still work |
| 05:25.10 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: if LANG is not forwarded, my local machine gets hit with UTF8 chars |
| 05:25.15 | Gnea | Sanay: no, but the server won't be able to use ident |
| 05:25.18 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so yes, it must be forwarded |
| 05:25.30 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: which it seems sarge does not do, but etch does |
| 05:25.43 | Gnea | Sanay: ident is generally a good thing, is there some sort of vulnerability for it? |
| 05:25.50 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: neither do; it's set based on what /etc/profile and/or your bash startup scripts do.l |
| 05:26.28 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you think it's the right thing though, use SendEnv in your .config. |
| 05:26.33 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: man ssh; for details. |
| 05:26.56 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: in etch, /etc/ssh/sshd_config contains 'AcceptEnv LANG LC_*' and /etc/ssh/ssh_config contains 'SendENV LANG LC_*' |
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| 05:27.40 | Dewi | except without my typo |
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| 05:27.40 | dondelelcaro | could be; my configurations don't have. |
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| 05:28.57 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: anyway, I can't think of any other way to not have vim crash when I use it over ssh |
| 05:29.31 | Dewi | (and attempt to display anything past 0x99) |
| 05:29.45 | universee | oh,how can i join the mail-lists of linux kernel developing,who can help me ?ttks |
| 05:29.47 | Dewi | or 7f even |
| 05:29.54 | fando | uh oh.. |
| 05:30.19 | fando | universee, check kernel.org for that info |
| 05:32.53 | Sanay | still I am in a puzzle regarding what to do with my kswapd <defunct> process ? |
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| 05:33.45 | lunitik | Sanay: if nothing is using it, and it won't die peacefully, you have to restart to get rid of it |
| 05:34.07 | Sanay | But I can't afford to restart it now |
| 05:34.35 | liable | so ignore it |
| 05:34.38 | lunitik | Sanay: then you get to keep the defunct process around for a bit until it is convenient to restart |
| 05:35.29 | Sanay | Anything thing |
| 05:35.44 | Sanay | When I nmap my local machine, I see alot of ports opened |
| 05:35.58 | Sanay | but I have a firewall which closed these ports |
| 05:36.02 | Sanay | why am I seeing this ? |
| 05:36.13 | lunitik | Sanay: you suck at iptables? |
| 05:36.19 | liable | you are nmapping localhost? |
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| 05:36.57 | lunitik | Sanay: if you closed ports on an external router... they still won't be seen by the outside world |
| 05:37.04 | Sanay | Yes I am nmapping localhost |
| 05:37.41 | lunitik | firewall/proxy/router/thing seperating you from everyone else/etc |
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| 05:38.54 | liable | Sanay: read a howto on nmap, it gives different results sometimes when doing it local, i cant remember what or where i heard about that |
| 05:39.31 | Sanay | But running a scan test at www.grc.com shows some of my ports opened |
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| 05:45.08 | polv1 | THIS BETTER HAVE FRAGIN WORKED WOOT |
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| 05:45.35 | polv1 | umm ubuntu ROX WOOT |
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| 05:47.52 | tuv | how can i run a program for say 10 seconds and then terminate it? |
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| 05:49.27 | tnks | Hi. I just had a major disk malfunction, and I'm trying to see if I can recover. |
| 05:49.49 | tnks | my /var/lib/dpkg/available file seems to be broken. |
| 05:50.01 | tnks | I remember this (somehow) happening before with another issue. |
| 05:50.08 | tnks | and someone told me how to rebuild it. |
| 05:50.12 | tnks | but I just don't remember. |
| 05:50.23 | tnks | (was it an apt-get or apt-cache command)? |
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| 05:53.26 | fsateler | tnks: apt-get update? |
| 05:53.44 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 05:53.46 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:05.06 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:07.29 | grendal_prime | OKYDOKY |
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| 06:07.51 | grendal_prime | now..damn etch problem |
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| 06:14.15 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:14.16 | dpkg | qotd144 is, like, < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
| 06:16.38 | i3igmind | question if i have a file in /home/username/filename.tar.gz and i want to extract it to /usr/src from /home as root using unp what shall i do |
| 06:16.41 | i3igmind | please |
| 06:17.08 | liable | unp? |
| 06:17.33 | i3igmind | yes |
| 06:17.43 | liable | what is is unp? |
| 06:17.54 | stew | i3igmind: cd /usr/src && unp /home/username/filename.tar.gz |
| 06:17.59 | i3igmind | liable: man unp ;P |
| 06:18.18 | i3igmind | stew: thanks mate |
| 06:18.43 | i3igmind | liable: apt-get install unp |
| 06:19.44 | liable | no thanks |
| 06:20.43 | i3igmind | stew: if i'm in /usr/src/ do i still use the && or i can just run unp file name /home/..... |
| 06:21.18 | stew | i3igmind: just unp, && was a way of linking the two commands together such that it would only run the second if the first was successful |
| 06:22.03 | DocOC | what us wrong with using tar to unpack a tarball? |
| 06:22.11 | DocOC | s/us/is/ |
| 06:22.19 | cafuego | it's obvious and this not elegant ;-) |
| 06:22.33 | cafuego | s/is/us/ |
| 06:22.34 | liable | DocOC: i guess its just something to make life easier? |
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| 06:23.08 | DocOC | life is easy. you try being dead, and tell me otherwise. |
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| 06:23.32 | cafuego | DocOC: When being dead, I htink you'll find life is quite hard. |
| 06:23.41 | sanmarcos | I am so bored |
| 06:23.53 | sanmarcos | !bored |
| 06:23.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bored is something that you are when you are asking apt stupid questions like "tell me about bored", or what you are when you ask apt stupid questions like "What is bored?", or check http://www.freshmeat.net/random/, or check the debian user homepages, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or <reply> only boring people get bored |
| 06:24.16 | cafuego | sanmarcos: write some open 3d drivers for nvidia cards |
| 06:24.59 | liable | i was hoping for a shiny new laptop to get delived today :( |
| 06:25.04 | liable | delivered |
| 06:25.09 | jspiros | hmm, what is all this rred pdiff nonsense |
| 06:25.16 | sanmarcos | cafuego, sure, when the Linux Kernel allows for binary drivers to be compatible across versions and easily installable like windows or os x, and also when Nvidia releases their specs and I get paid millions of dollars to learn advanced C, the inner workings of the kernel, and actually give a crap |
| 06:25.30 | DocOC | I got a shiny new wifi card. Was a blast setting it up with madwifi too. |
| 06:25.39 | cafuego | sanmarcos: No, now... by reverse engineering |
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| 06:25.46 | cafuego | sanmarcos: stop ya being bored |
| 06:25.49 | sanmarcos | right, I am on it |
| 06:26.04 | sanmarcos | the nvidia drivers are crap |
| 06:26.19 | sanmarcos | I have an old Riva TNT.. not even supported anymore. The legacy drivers dont work with the newer kernels |
| 06:26.24 | sanmarcos | so you are pretty much fscked |
| 06:26.41 | sanmarcos | so I just use Windows, since I have no reason to use Linux, and a lot of the nice OSS apps I use are available for Windows. |
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| 06:27.27 | sanmarcos | got tired of having problems. I dont have time to be an enthusiast |
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| 06:27.47 | liable | hah, but you have time to tell us you're bored?? |
| 06:27.55 | sanmarcos | obviously |
| 06:27.59 | sanmarcos | blame the argentines |
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| 06:28.19 | liable | !blame canada |
| 06:28.53 | liable | heh, wasnt sure there would be a factoid for that.. such a smart bot :) |
| 06:29.03 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 06:29.53 | sanmarcos | i think nvidia doenst release the source to their drivers because probably they stole some technologies from ati |
| 06:29.55 | sanmarcos | same with ati |
| 06:30.06 | obcp | why blame the argentines? |
| 06:30.08 | sanmarcos | its all about money, it makes the world and your cpu fan go round |
| 06:30.40 | peterS | sanmarcos: there's something trollish about admitting both that you're bored and that you don't have time to be an enthusiast |
| 06:31.10 | sanmarcos | by time to be an enthusiast I meant dealing with fixing stuff in Linux (in my personal ok. I have a borked instalation of SID, so..) |
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| 06:31.33 | sanmarcos | but I am just here to have a little OSS/debian chat, and take away some of my boredom, Peter |
| 06:31.41 | obcp | are you frustated? |
| 06:31.41 | peterS | yeah, well, it's a decent cure for boredom, fixing bugs |
| 06:31.58 | DocOC | unborking your sid installation wouldn't cure your boredom? |
| 06:32.24 | sanmarcos | gave up, dont care anymore, same with programming. You run into your own design flaws and blame it on the "IRC" not being able to help you |
| 06:32.50 | liable | might as well top yourself |
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| 06:33.02 | sanmarcos | might as well liable.. |
| 06:33.17 | obcp | sanmarcos: why you blame the argentines? |
| 06:33.55 | sanmarcos | why did liable blame the canadians? |
| 06:34.01 | DocOC | gotta blame someone. might as well blame someone you can beat up. |
| 06:34.08 | sanmarcos | oh thats a nice one |
| 06:34.11 | liable | cause i watch too much tv?? |
| 06:34.13 | peterS | can you guys either talk about Debian or SHUT UP ALREADY? |
| 06:34.32 | sanmarcos | #debian-ar had some nice people. Shame it moved to the new network |
| 06:34.36 | sanmarcos | I mean, did anybody really move there? |
| 06:34.46 | Tallu | Obviously they did. :P |
| 06:34.51 | Gary | my mom is better :) |
| 06:35.01 | liable | oh dear |
| 06:35.23 | Gary | lol |
| 06:35.26 | obcp | any news about gluck.debian.org ? |
| 06:35.37 | peterS | some services are back up |
| 06:36.06 | sanmarcos | the services |
| 06:36.27 | i3igmind | how can i remove a pakage using apt...is it apt-get uninstall |
| 06:36.31 | sanmarcos | apt-get remove |
| 06:36.36 | sanmarcos | --purge to remove fully |
| 06:36.40 | liable | what services exactly does that machine provide anyway? |
| 06:36.50 | sanmarcos | liable, web cvs people dev |
| 06:36.59 | peterS | liable: the announcement on debian-devel-announce listed several, most of them pretty unimportant |
| 06:37.21 | peterS | liable: cvs, ddtp, lintian, people, popcon, planet, ports, release |
| 06:37.24 | sanmarcos | liable, it was a dev machine for sid, that means a youtube could have been installed in a package and compromise people who updated |
| 06:37.26 | liable | peterS: good, i saw the dda, but it was a bit spartan on info |
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| 06:37.43 | peterS | liable: predictably, people actually only cared about planet.debian.org, the least important of the above in terms of actual debian development |
| 06:38.07 | liable | thats a bit disturbing |
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| 06:38.19 | peterS | "but I need my blog feed..." |
| 06:38.31 | sanmarcos | heh |
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| 06:38.51 | sanmarcos | well if it doesnt affect a person personally, they dont tend to care as much |
| 06:38.59 | sanmarcos | i mean, god forbid if #debian dissapeared |
| 06:39.51 | liable | sanmarcos: it did a few weeks ago.. |
| 06:40.05 | sanmarcos | dark day |
| 06:40.09 | liable | amazingly, the world continued to turn |
| 06:40.33 | sid | How can I replace all spaces in a filename with underscores at the shell? |
| 06:40.43 | sanmarcos | sid, man sed |
| 06:40.56 | peterS | rename 's/ /_/g' 'your filename' |
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| 06:41.06 | sanmarcos | like Peter pan said |
| 06:41.23 | sanmarcos | do a loop, for f in *; do rename 's/ /_/g'; done |
| 06:41.35 | peterS | sanmarcos: wtf, why a loop, why not just rename 's/ /_/g' * |
| 06:41.36 | sanmarcos | put a $f after the quotes though |
| 06:41.57 | sanmarcos | peterS, ah did not know that rename was that advanced. Clearly good proggramming |
| 06:41.58 | sid | awesome; thanks peterS |
| 06:42.21 | sanmarcos | actually, bash * expansion, not rename |
| 06:42.27 | peterS | it's pretty standard to assume that unix tools can deal with an arbitrary number of input files |
| 06:42.29 | obcp | i got a hd with the mbr an partition table wrong, any idea |
| 06:42.38 | peterS | and rename is not terribly advanced, it's actually a pretty small perl script |
| 06:42.43 | obcp | and partition talbe |
| 06:43.00 | sanmarcos | obcp, pray to carlos saul, or try using gparted to check what is wrong with it. if the mbr is wrong, run grub or lilo again |
| 06:43.02 | larrikin | I can deal with an arbitrary amount of criticism |
| 06:43.10 | peterS | obcp: if you want to start over with it, 'cfdisk -z /dev/whatever' |
| 06:43.32 | obcp | i want to recover data |
| 06:43.37 | sanmarcos | larrikin, http://www.entrepreneur.com/Your_Business/YB_SegArticle/0,4621,293366,00.html |
| 06:43.43 | peterS | obcp: ahh, then try gpart |
| 06:43.51 | obcp | sanmarcos carlos no que trae mala suerte |
| 06:44.09 | sanmarcos | the sad part about gparted was that qparted was there long ago. Then came Mr. G(parteD) and took away all the attention |
| 06:44.15 | sanmarcos | must suck for the qparted guys |
| 06:44.23 | larrikin | haha |
| 06:44.35 | larrikin | thanks sanmarcos |
| 06:44.49 | sanmarcos | larrikin, the internet is good stuff |
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| 06:45.11 | sanmarcos | obcp, but seriously, check gparted. If you lost data, then check what fs type it is, and look around for tools to help you recover it |
| 06:45.40 | liable | without the 'ed' |
| 06:46.05 | obcp | i will try gparted, thanks, any other tip just in case? |
| 06:46.05 | sid | peterS: for i in "`find ./`"; do echo rename 's/ /_/g' '$i'; done |
| 06:46.12 | sid | What is wrong with that peterS? |
| 06:46.26 | sanmarcos | find can do it alone without a loop |
| 06:46.27 | peterS | sid: two things. one, the echo, two, the '' around $i |
| 06:46.28 | sanmarcos | with -exec |
| 06:46.28 | liable | obcp: its gpart you want, not gparted |
| 06:46.38 | sid | for i in "`find ./`"; do echo `rename 's/ /_/g' '$i'`; done |
| 06:46.38 | sid | rather |
| 06:46.58 | sanmarcos | and put " " around $i |
| 06:47.05 | sanmarcos | see #bash topic sid |
| 06:47.27 | sid | awesome; thanks sanmarcos and peterS |
| 06:47.28 | peterS | sid: no need to loop. find . -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/ /_/g' |
| 06:47.49 | peterS | sid: note find -print0 and xargs -0 are gnuisms, though they've also made it into openbsd and probably the other bsds |
| 06:48.06 | peterS | so they'll work on debian but not, for example, on AIX |
| 06:49.17 | sanmarcos | like anybody uses AIX |
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| 06:49.32 | sanmarcos | heh, I should name my child 'Anybody' |
| 06:49.48 | simonrvn | or anyone |
| 06:49.52 | peterS | sid: also, the renaming won't work if any of your directories have spaces in them |
| 06:49.55 | sanmarcos | tough call |
| 06:49.57 | simonrvn | or anykey |
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| 06:50.17 | simonrvn | "Hit the Any Key to Continue" |
| 06:50.27 | sid | peterS: yea I figured that out |
| 06:50.38 | sid | I'll do -type f; first; then remove that. |
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| 06:51.00 | peterS | sid: right. or just run it multiple times - it will fail on some files each time |
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| 06:51.09 | peterS | sid: but eventually it will rename everything |
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| 06:52.18 | Maquiavelo | Hi guys, question: linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7-smp works with AMD Athlon X2 processors? |
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| 06:52.42 | peterS | Maquiavelo: I'd guess so, does it work with yours? |
| 06:53.04 | Maquiavelo | I haven't tried, just wondering if K7 applies to Athlon X2 |
| 06:53.09 | Maquiavelo | Before I install it |
| 06:53.27 | sanmarcos | try it, it will crash at boot if it doesnt |
| 06:53.46 | unix_infidel | anyone here with industry exprience with DBMS could point me to a URL that convinced them to use one DMBS over the other? |
| 06:53.49 | zaher | x2 is k8 |
| 06:53.50 | sanmarcos | I spent a whole day trying to figure out what was wrong with my kernel crashing with no error message to find out I had the wrong architecture built |
| 06:53.50 | unix_infidel | all DBMS are fair game i suppose. |
| 06:53.52 | Maquiavelo | yea that's what I want to avoid. |
| 06:53.55 | zaher | not k7 |
| 06:53.56 | Maquiavelo | zaher Thank you |
| 06:54.37 | DocOC | I guess I'm a luddite. I just can't get myself to trust anyone else to compile my kernel for me. |
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| 06:55.05 | liable | not even mister kpkg? :P |
| 06:55.07 | zamolxes | wtf, and you trust the people that wrote it? |
| 06:55.08 | peterS | DocOC: I used to think that way. eventually I realised how much time I was wasting. the debian kernel team do excellent work. |
| 06:55.18 | rjordan | Help! I tried installing xen 3.0 on my etch system and it didn't want to work. Since then on boot my eth0 fails to come up since it's being automagically renamed to eth0_temp. Any ideas where this is being done? |
| 06:55.53 | liable | rjordan: did you fix that last night? |
| 06:56.18 | rjordan | no |
| 06:56.47 | sid | peterS: heh; as expected comas and maybe parenthesis break it also. |
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| 06:57.25 | peterS | sid: eh? I don't expect that. find -print0, xargs -0, and rename are all immune to such things |
| 06:57.40 | sid | peterS: no with the loop |
| 06:57.42 | rjordan | I tried reinstalling udev since I know xen installs a rule there. I also looked through /etc/network/interfaces. I just can't seem to find where it's being changed. |
| 06:57.58 | peterS | sid: oh. then don't use the loop, use find . -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/ /_/g' |
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| 06:58.19 | liable | rjordan: google for the temp thing, i had an old udev rule i deleted that fixed it, though yymv |
| 06:58.53 | liable | ymmv :) |
| 06:58.53 | peterS | sid: it'll still break with subdirs and such, but if you run it multiple times it'll get the job done |
| 06:58.53 | obcp | any one have a tv tuner with chip saa7134? |
| 06:58.54 | liable | obcp: yup |
| 06:58.54 | sid | peterS: yea; the loop sucks compared to using the gnuism |
| 06:58.54 | sid | heh |
| 06:58.57 | streuner | obcp: no, but what's the problem? |
| 06:58.58 | obcp | its a encore? |
| 06:59.08 | rjordan | liable: tried that, got just two results and they're both in german. |
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| 06:59.17 | liable | no, avermedia, that chip is in lots of cards though |
| 06:59.17 | obcp | i dont know hot to configure |
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| 06:59.39 | obcp | yeah i know that liable |
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| 06:59.55 | liable | obcp: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa |
| 06:59.58 | rjordan | liable: besides, I went in an rm -rf'd the /etc/udev dir after uninstalling udev before reinstalling it. |
| 06:59.59 | streuner | its not that easy in some cases |
| 07:00.09 | basanta | can't execute seamonkey after upgarde to gnome2-14 |
| 07:00.09 | streuner | yeah, that's what liable told you |
| 07:00.38 | streuner | liable: did you get this bitch working? |
| 07:00.59 | liable | streuner: yeah, with running aplay as well in the end, its a hack but works. |
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| 07:01.19 | streuner | the workaround didn't mention it |
| 07:01.35 | liable | streuner: i must have been a little drunk the first night, cause i got it working straight away the next day :) |
| 07:01.40 | sanmarcos | obcp, ivtv? |
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| 07:02.12 | liable | streuner: that alsa link mentions it, its for 2.6.16 kernel the saa7134 has an alsa module now |
| 07:02.36 | obcp | it has alot of posibles cards an tuners |
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| 07:03.21 | rjordan | Any other ideas why eth0 is being renamed? |
| 07:03.29 | streuner | obcp: if you running knoppix, just /j #knoppix too |
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| 07:03.40 | streuner | obcp: and look at there wiki |
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| 07:04.26 | sigger_2_ | I'm running a livecd distro and I just got the message "unable to access dpkg status area" cause various parts of the fs are ro (typical of livecd). What dirs is it looking to have rw? |
| 07:04.40 | streuner | obcp: or just install debian :-) |
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| 07:05.22 | liable | sigger_2_: var has most the dpkg files |
| 07:05.27 | rjordan | sigger_2_, I would think /var/cache/apt |
| 07:05.35 | fasta | I have a lvm partition: 3 4795MB 164GB 159GB primary lvm . I want to make the logical volume /tmp which has an ext3 fs somewhat smaller, and I want to give that size to another existing logical volume. How can I do that? I need to resize the fs first, but I don't really see how it all fitst together. |
| 07:05.36 | obcp | i had debian once and then the hd now does not not work |
| 07:05.37 | sigger_2_ | ah that makes sense. |
| 07:05.39 | streuner | sigger_2_: what distro? |
| 07:05.40 | basanta | README of seamonkey says it requires xfree86 -does this mean it may not work if xserver is upgarded to xorg ?? |
| 07:05.48 | sigger_2_ | knoppmyth. |
| 07:06.05 | streuner | obcp: well, use etch installer |
| 07:06.16 | sid | peterS: How can I find .; and remove all non letter/number/underscore/dash/parenthesis; ie; if a file has a "," in it; that would be removed; and replaced by nothing. |
| 07:06.23 | liable | streuner: is that like a live mythtv thing or what? |
| 07:06.35 | streuner | obcp: etch installer has 2.6.16, daily build 2.6.17 |
| 07:06.36 | sigger_2_ | these ro chunks of livecd distros are a real pain. gotta write a util to make a dir or file rw. |
| 07:06.39 | peterS | sid: learn perl, you can use any perl expression to manipulate the filename |
| 07:06.49 | streuner | liable: no idea |
| 07:06.52 | obcp | but i dont have any good hd |
| 07:07.02 | liable | streuner: oh sorry, nicktab fuckage |
| 07:07.03 | peterS | sid: s/,// is the simplest way, if you don't have commas in directory names |
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| 07:07.09 | telmich | hello |
| 07:07.12 | obcp | i still have to recover the data |
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| 07:07.51 | obcp | now im in knoppix |
| 07:08.17 | liable | obcp: can you read the data from knoppix? |
| 07:09.11 | obcp | when i try to mount the hd i get a message saying that it cannot read |
| 07:09.40 | liable | i guess a fsck is the first place to start. |
| 07:10.42 | obcp | but the partition table its corrupted or lost |
| 07:11.47 | liable | then gpart is the best option |
| 07:11.48 | sigger_2_ | no luck with the dpkg status area. did /var/cache/apt and some stuff under /etc/apt |
| 07:11.59 | sigger_2_ | still get the "unable to access" msg |
| 07:12.20 | sigger_2_ | is there an error log for dpkg? |
| 07:12.22 | liable | sigger_2_: have you chrooted?? |
| 07:12.24 | Guerin | !hurt conexant |
| 07:12.41 | sigger_2_ | liable: no, should I ? |
| 07:12.48 | sigger_2_ | (or you makiung sure I didn't) |
| 07:12.53 | liable | sigger_2_: what exactly are you doing? |
| 07:13.02 | sigger_2_ | installing a .deb |
| 07:13.04 | Guerin | why can't IBM just put real modems in their fyucking laptops |
| 07:13.08 | Guerin | rrr |
| 07:13.16 | liable | sigger_2_: if you are trying to run dpkg/apt from a livecd on your install, yes, you need to chroot |
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| 07:14.17 | sigger_2_ | OK. I've used Damn Small Linux Livecd for bout 2 yrs and never did, but I'm no pro. What should I be doing? |
| 07:14.21 | liable | Guerin: cause they would be an inch thicker/wider/longer? who does put hard modems in laptops? |
| 07:14.24 | streuner | dpkg, KnoppMyth is <reply> read http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5479811400.html |
| 07:14.24 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 07:14.56 | Guerin | liable: bah. |
| 07:15.08 | Guerin | liable: i need a 486 for a gateway. |
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| 07:15.34 | liable | Guerin: with a dialup connection? |
| 07:15.50 | streuner | obcp: go to http://knoppmythwiki.org/ - we have no idea about that |
| 07:16.02 | Guerin | liable: sad, but true |
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| 07:16.21 | Gnea | Guerin: does the laptop have a serial interface? |
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| 07:16.34 | Guerin | Gnea: nope, only usb. |
| 07:16.37 | liable | Guerin: my turn to laugh at the dude that had 10mb/s :) |
| 07:16.49 | Guerin | liable: 100mbps |
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| 07:16.52 | Guerin | liable: get it right |
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| 07:17.05 | liable | Guerin: well, doesnt matter now :P |
| 07:17.12 | Gnea | Guerin: cool, get a usb port replicator and bam, you'll have one. and get a usrobotics/3com external modem and plug that bad-boy in. |
| 07:17.17 | Guerin | liable: you don't know how right you are |
| 07:17.17 | liable | sorry, cant help it :D |
| 07:17.35 | Guerin | Gnea: i could go and buy a pcmcia modem if I cared that much |
| 07:17.42 | Gnea | Guerin: true |
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| 07:17.48 | Gnea | just offerring a suggestion |
| 07:17.54 | liable | Guerin: you done the scanmodem dance and all that shit i take it? |
| 07:17.55 | Gnea | -r |
| 07:17.58 | Guerin | but i'll need a gateway eventually anyhow |
| 07:18.21 | Gnea | Guerin: you should be able to get a pentium or p2 system for under $100 |
| 07:18.21 | sigger_2_ | Its late, I'll figure it out later. thanks gus. |
| 07:18.24 | sigger_2_ | guys |
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| 07:18.34 | liable | i seriously need a shotgun to kill some crows |
| 07:18.53 | Gnea | liable: get rid of the bodies, it'll help |
| 07:18.57 | Guerin | liable: yes and no. I have downloaded a bunch of shit to a usb drive and tried to make it work on ubuntu live, but the only thing which almost works is the linuxant driver, and it will initialise but not dial |
| 07:19.07 | liable | although i feel it may be frowned upon |
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| 07:19.25 | Guerin | Gnea: i think i have a mate with a dx4-100 with pci slots hidden away someplace |
| 07:19.33 | stew | !guerin's internet |
| 07:19.34 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. nope, Guerin no longer has fast internet because he's moved back to civilisation. Now he's back on dialup like the rest of the peasants. |
| 07:19.35 | Gnea | Guerin: sweetness |
| 07:19.38 | stew | Guerin: those were the days, huh? |
| 07:19.50 | Guerin | stew: i thought they'd never end |
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| 07:19.57 | liable | Guerin: tried wvdial? i found it the better option when i was having winmodem dramas, and havent used anything else since |
| 07:19.58 | stew | hah, didn't see that the factoid had been updated |
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| 07:20.09 | Guerin | liable: the dialer program isn't the proble |
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| 07:21.08 | Guerin | now i get to spend ~US$50/month for 2 megabit/128k with only 20g of traffic :( |
| 07:21.09 | Guerin | and have to buy a dan dsl modem for $100 |
| 07:21.17 | Gnea | buggy uart? |
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| 07:22.03 | fasta | I have a lvm partition: 3 4795MB 164GB 159GB primary lvm . I want to make the logical volume /tmp which has an ext3 fs somewhat smaller, and I want to give that size to another existing logical volume. How can I do that? I need to resize the fs first, but I don't really see how it all fits together. |
| 07:22.47 | liable | wheres peterS |
| 07:23.18 | RvGaTe | good morning freenode ! :) |
| 07:23.28 | Guerin | liable: kansas |
| 07:24.13 | peterS | Guerin: he's alluding to my familiarity with lvm configuration and ability to help people rearrange their hard disks. I'm pretending not to be around. |
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| 07:24.29 | rjordan | So I've purged the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25persistent-net.rules of anything that would rename my interfaces and rebooted. They were however renamed on boot again. Is there a hidden place where udev stores info about the adapters and their settings/names that I also need to purge? |
| 07:24.35 | Guerin | liable 1, peterS 0 |
| 07:25.00 | tengulre | Hi,all |
| 07:25.01 | liable | what do i win? |
| 07:25.12 | tengulre | How to change the port of sshd? |
| 07:25.19 | streuner | !win liable |
| 07:25.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 07:25.27 | peterS | tengulre: the port line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 07:25.32 | liable | tengulre: in the config for sshd? |
| 07:25.45 | liable | yay, i like vodka |
| 07:26.18 | liable | i could go a bloody mary right now actually :) |
| 07:26.20 | tengulre | peterS: but I modified it , It still listen port 22! why? |
| 07:26.27 | rjordan | In Soviet Russia, Udev rules you! |
| 07:26.33 | liable | tengulre: did you restart it? |
| 07:26.46 | liable | rjordan: it does that in whatever country you are in :P |
| 07:26.59 | rjordan | apparently... |
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| 07:27.21 | tengulre | liable: yes! I using '/etc/rc.d/sshd restart' . |
| 07:27.46 | tengulre | sorry! /etc/init.d/ |
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| 07:28.42 | liable | tengulre: start it manually then with verbosity |
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| 07:34.19 | Paras | room, need some help. my debian etch machine is too slow. i check free -m and swap is not being used. |
| 07:34.50 | streuner | !room |
| 07:34.50 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:35.13 | streuner | define 'slow' |
| 07:35.34 | streuner | swap doesn't make you system faster |
| 07:35.38 | streuner | your* |
| 07:36.07 | streuner | more RAM, that's it. |
| 07:36.12 | Paras | streuner, takes a lot of time to load gnome desktop, even if u type any it's slow |
| 07:36.29 | obcp | well i have to go, thanks for your time |
| 07:36.39 | Paras | streuner, i see swap is not being used |
| 07:36.40 | streuner | good luck |
| 07:37.07 | streuner | well, kernel uses swap if needed... |
| 07:37.18 | Paras | streuner, swap is not being used. |
| 07:37.31 | liable | Paras: does top show anything hogging cpu? |
| 07:37.32 | Paras | streuner, that;s why it is slow i guess |
| 07:37.41 | Paras | liable, no it's normal |
| 07:37.42 | streuner | ok, try man swapon |
| 07:37.57 | Paras | streuner, already tried to swapon. |
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| 07:38.19 | streuner | How much RAM do you have, btw? |
| 07:39.18 | Paras | streuner, 512 |
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| 07:39.34 | Paras | streuner, it was ok before. from yesterday the problem satrted |
| 07:39.36 | streuner | that's enough, even for GNOME or KDE |
| 07:39.45 | liable | stable/testin/unstable? |
| 07:39.57 | Paras | liable, etch |
| 07:40.00 | stew | Paras: can you run "vmstat 1" let it run while you do some other task that makes it slow. then quit vmstat, and paste the output to a pastebin, along with the output from the "free" command? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 07:40.23 | Paras | stew, let me try |
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| 07:43.46 | Paras | stew, here is it http://pastebin.ca/86806 |
| 07:44.40 | stew | Paras: so you don't need swapon, you have swap, it just isn't being used (see the total column in the swap: row of the free output) |
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| 07:45.19 | stew | and you have plenty of ram |
| 07:45.25 | Paras | stew, that is what i felt so, but are there any cuase why swap is not used? |
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| 07:46.03 | stew | Paras: you could increase your swappiness to make the system tend to use it more, but i don't know if i would expect a huge improvement |
| 07:46.10 | stew | Paras: /msg dpkg swappiness |
| 07:46.29 | stew | Paras: all that would get you is a little more disk cache which is (pun intended) hit and miss |
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| 07:46.54 | Paras | stew , ok i will try to increase the swap |
| 07:47.01 | stew | Paras: how fast is the cpu? |
| 07:47.17 | stew | Paras: i dunno that i really believe that "not enough use of swap" is what is causing your problem |
| 07:47.35 | Paras | stew, Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz stepping 0 |
| 07:47.43 | liable | i dont think we have yet had an good explanation of what "slow" is |
| 07:47.51 | Paras | stew, ok i think i will try to increase the swap once and see |
| 07:48.37 | stew | he really needs is more cache ram :) |
| 07:48.47 | stew | but there's nothing he's going to do about that |
| 07:49.19 | stew | or maybe gnome and kde are "staying ahead of the curve" :) |
| 07:50.32 | Jesica | hi, I decided to use hotplugd to handle my nic interfaces. However, I found once I remove "auto eth0" from the network/interface, my nfs volume in fstab wont be auto-mounted. Is there anyway I can auto-mount my nfs vol after boot while use plugd? |
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| 07:54.04 | liable | Jesica: are you talking about ifplugd or what? |
| 07:54.34 | KonphuzeD | isnt hotplugd for usb |
| 07:55.05 | Jesica | liable: yes i use ifplugd to handle my interface now |
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| 07:57.13 | liable | ok.. |
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| 07:59.28 | jbrimble | anyone here know much about vsftpd? |
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| 08:05.06 | tnks | Has anyone here seen the shift stop working when logging out of an X session (using a X manager like xdm or kdm)? |
| 08:05.53 | tnks | I have to manually restart X to get the shift key working again. |
| 08:06.13 | tnks | But oddly, the shift capitalizes letters, but doesn't work with symbols. |
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| 08:07.25 | tnks | At this point, I'm just looking for confirmation. |
| 08:08.00 | tnks | (maybe someone on testing can log out of their session and see if their shift key still works on number/symbols. |
| 08:08.26 | tnks | Both my laptop _and_ my desktop (very different systems) are seeing this. |
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| 08:13.16 | fasta | Does 5G in resize2fs mean _exactly_ the same as 5g in lvreduce? |
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| 08:14.03 | fasta | I don't want to destroy my fs just by one "off by one" error. |
| 08:15.00 | telmich | fasta: iirc, yes |
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| 08:17.27 | ivalladt | I tried installing Debian sarge on a computer with a nvidia3 chipset but CK8S ethernet card is not supported by the installer. Ubuntu installer supports it. Will a more recent debian installer do the thing? |
| 08:18.30 | streuner | in general yes |
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| 08:18.54 | stew | ivalladt: did you try the 2.6 kernel on the install cd? or just the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:18.57 | streuner | if some chipset isn't supported later kernels helps |
| 08:19.04 | ivalladt | stew: tried both |
| 08:19.10 | stew | ivalladt: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 08:20.33 | ivalladt | stew: interesting! |
| 08:21.03 | ivalladt | which 2.6 kernel is current etch installer using? |
| 08:21.09 | stew | ivalladt: 2.6.15 |
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| 08:23.49 | Fox | hi |
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| 08:33.27 | fasta | telmich: Thanks |
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| 08:34.36 | MsgToThePpl | hi how do i can make password protected zip/rar/gz archives ? |
| 08:34.54 | ivalladt | MsgToThePpl: yo can always gnupg them |
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| 08:36.54 | MsgToThePpl | there's no winzip/winrar like method ? |
| 08:37.24 | fasta | MsgToThePpl: run winzip via wine :) |
| 08:37.40 | MsgToThePpl | the problem is i need to pwd-protect archives but users must be able to them under windows |
| 08:37.53 | MsgToThePpl | ;) |
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| 08:38.06 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:39.14 | ivalladt | MsgToThePpl: AFAIK zip default password protection is easy to break. As far as they can install PGP on Windows is far more secure and useful encrypting the file to recipient's public key |
| 08:39.52 | MsgToThePpl | yes i know that but i must assume they're almost new to pc at all ;) |
| 08:40.09 | MsgToThePpl | and still able to use suc archives |
| 08:40.11 | MsgToThePpl | ;) |
| 08:40.20 | liable | doesnt the rar package do it? |
| 08:40.38 | ivalladt | MsgToThePpl: "google's more useful than chatters" :) |
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| 08:41.13 | ivalladt | MsgToThePpl: zip -e seems to do it |
| 08:42.06 | TARZEAU | hahaha |
| 08:42.12 | TARZEAU | i'm glad we still run 2.4 |
| 08:42.25 | TARZEAU | and I HOPE debian will change their policy about kernel handling |
| 08:42.27 | TARZEAU | for stable |
| 08:42.33 | blondie | TARZEAU: why? |
| 08:42.43 | TARZEAU | blondie: it's not the first time they've gotten raped |
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| 08:47.07 | blondie | TARZEAU: well, these things happen :S |
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| 08:50.38 | HelmutG | Is there a hibnerate scriptlet for uswsusp? |
| 08:52.25 | liable | HelmutG: the hibernate package works for it (though intebded for hibernate2) |
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| 08:52.44 | liable | TARZEAU: are you implying it was a kernel vulnerability? |
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| 08:54.05 | HelmutG | liable: uhm how to enable uswsusp in hibernate? |
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| 08:55.05 | TARZEAU | liable: no, i don't know what it was for the debian hosts |
| 08:55.16 | Guerin | is uswsusp different from swsusp? |
| 08:55.23 | TARZEAU | liable: but kernel handling does suck in debian. we do our own, since like 2 or 3 stable releases of debian |
| 08:55.30 | liable | HelmutG: have you read the docs for it? |
| 08:55.40 | k31th | anyone know of a server chassis that can take alot of HD's ? |
| 08:55.54 | Guerin | k31th: define 'alot' |
| 08:55.55 | Guerin | !alot |
| 08:55.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 08:56.01 | Gnea | k31th: newegg.com |
| 08:56.13 | Gnea | or www.pricewatch.com |
| 08:56.22 | HelmutG | liable: hibernate or uswsusp? |
| 08:56.23 | k31th | Guerin: more than 4 |
| 08:56.36 | blondie | or rather www.dabs.com :P |
| 08:56.43 | Guerin | k31th: anything, with a sata pci card or three |
| 08:56.56 | blondie | k31th: yes, there's many :P try #hardware |
| 08:57.07 | liable | HelmutG: this uswsusp is the vanilla hiberate shits? (rather than swsusp?) |
| 08:57.23 | k31th | thing is im having trouble getting server chassis to take more than 4 drives ? just wondereed as this place is fulla admins if any one had same sorta issues ? |
| 08:57.37 | k31th | ah'k |
| 08:58.00 | HelmutG | liable: Didn't find s2disk nor uswsusp in hibernate docs. |
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| 08:58.23 | HelmutG | liable: nor did I find hibernate in s2disk docs. |
| 08:58.30 | HelmutG | liable: err uswsusp docs. |
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| 08:58.37 | liable | HelmutG: my hibernate conf files mention |
| 08:58.40 | RixiM | what sets the PATH variable? |
| 08:58.42 | TARZEAU | liable: http://www.zone-h.org/content/view/13853/31/ |
| 08:59.23 | HelmutG | liable: I'm not talking about the "old" suspend interface. |
| 08:59.51 | HelmutG | liable: i.e. not /sys/power/state but /dev/snapshot (via s2disk) |
| 09:00.01 | liable | TARZEAU: interesting, a DD hacked it? |
| 09:00.15 | TARZEAU | liable: i have no idea who did what on machines that i don't have access to |
| 09:00.30 | liable | HelmutG: sorry, nfc then. when did this appear? |
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| 09:00.49 | Gnea | ah sweet, i finally got a working scsi card AND documentation |
| 09:00.54 | HelmutG | liable: 2.6.17-rc1 |
| 09:01.00 | Gnea | now if i can only make it work... |
| 09:01.04 | liable | HelmutG: ok, sorry, no clue |
| 09:01.18 | blondie | k31th: my server has 12 drives in |
| 09:01.39 | HelmutG | liable: thanks anyway. I think I'll file a feature request with patch attached. |
| 09:02.25 | Gnea | blondie: all internal? |
| 09:03.01 | blondie | Gnea: yes |
| 09:03.10 | HelmutG | liable: It's because suspend is painslow, suspend2 is not linus-approved, so using uswsusp sounds much better. ;-) |
| 09:03.41 | blondie | this one: http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/yeong_yang_cube_server_case/index.shtml |
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| 09:04.52 | liable | HelmutG: havent played with 2.6.17 yet, though suspend2 has been my choice so far |
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| 09:06.30 | HelmutG | liable: I got some statements from kernel devs. suspend2 is mostly kernel space. One way of making the kernel simpler is to move things out of the kernel (example: udev). Linus decided against suspend2, but there is a newer interface /dev/snapshot. A (userspace) program can now save (, compress and encrypt) the image. This sounds much better to me. |
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| 09:06.45 | infernix | how can I restart all the programs for the current runlevel I'm in? i'm on runlevel 2 and i just did a full system restore, and am wondering if there's a way to get the system up without doing a reboot |
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| 09:07.13 | Guerin | HelmutG: fair enough. does it work? |
| 09:07.24 | infernix | hm, come to think of it, i guess "cd /etc/rcX.d; for i in * do $i restart; done" should do it:) |
| 09:07.26 | Guerin | suspend2 works, and is damn cool. |
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| 09:08.12 | HelmutG | Guerin: it actually works with 2.6.17-rc1 and newer and the uswsusp package installed (with mkinitramfs as wakeup is a userspace program, too) and s2disk. |
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| 09:08.26 | Guerin | nice. |
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| 09:08.39 | liable | HelmutG: sounds cool. waiting for a new box to turn up and i'll give it a run i guess |
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| 09:09.08 | liable | it requires initrd? |
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| 09:09.30 | HelmutG | Guerin: Tim Djikstra (who packaged uswsusp) also build well working hooks for mkinitramfs (afaik also crypto on lvm working, but I'll try soon). |
| 09:09.38 | HelmutG | liable: yes as the wakeup is a userspace program. |
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| 09:10.08 | HelmutG | liable: int requires mkinitramfs on debian (not mkinitrd). |
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| 09:11.15 | christor | Hello, I have a question, I did a modification in the nsswitch.conf. How to apply the modification without reboot? |
| 09:11.27 | Trewas | how can I disable apt-get from fetching diffs, and to use the old method of getting complete packages-files instead? recent thread in debian-devel instructed to put line 'Acquire::Pdiffs { "false"; };' in apt.conf but it still gets the diffs |
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| 09:15.18 | liable | HelmutG: mkinitramfs still makes initrd though doesnt it? |
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| 09:16.42 | liable | hrm, mkinitramfs isnt a depends anyway.. |
| 09:16.54 | menko | hello.. does anyone know the equivalent of setting the cluster size of a fat32 partition with format /fs:fat32 /a:8192 for a cf card (through a usb reader). |
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| 09:27.32 | cplx | I have a hp server, it has 2 power supplies.. can i just use one of them and take one out and put it in another server? or does it need 2 to run? |
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| 09:27.47 | mrparanoid | no you can take one out |
| 09:27.47 | peterS | cplx: why are you asking #debian? ask your server vendor |
| 09:28.02 | mrparanoid | that would be its dedundancy |
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| 09:30.30 | xored | how to rotate the mask ? ( or the mask selection) in gimp ? |
| 09:30.57 | cplx | thanks mrparanoid |
| 09:31.01 | peterS | that's not really a debian question either. the debian gimp package doesn't have special features not found elsewhere |
| 09:31.18 | peterS | try #gimp on gimpnet (irc.gimp.org) |
| 09:32.56 | HelmutG | liable: both are initrd generators, yes. |
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| 09:33.08 | HelmutG | liable: they use different formats though. |
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| 09:34.10 | Shachar | I'm having a strange problem with recent etch, and was wondering whether anyone else here sees it too |
| 09:34.26 | Shachar | some programs in X don't show all characters |
| 09:34.44 | Shachar | for example, if I load gvim |
| 09:35.19 | peterS | liable: in a sense, mkinitramfs creates an initrd; in a sense it doesn't. the literal meaning of 'initrd' is 'initial ramdisk'. mkinitramfs does not produce a ramdisk, it produces an image which will be expanded into a ramfs. the two are quite different in form. however, initrd / initramfs get the same job done. |
| 09:35.45 | Shachar | I will see only some of the character on the main screen. If I refresh it, everything comes again |
| 09:36.09 | liable | holy shit, this works.. :( http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-July/047831.html |
| 09:37.00 | liable | peterS: ta, i really need to work on understanding the whole issue |
| 09:39.03 | liable | i am surprised kernel.org doesnt have this on the front page.. :( |
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| 09:42.03 | Shachar | liable, not really complicated |
| 09:42.35 | Shachar | the kernel will dump core in the process' current directory, whether the user that ran the process has permission to write there or not |
| 09:42.40 | Shachar | so far? |
| 09:43.04 | Shachar | liable, with me so far? |
| 09:43.23 | liable | Shachar: yes |
| 09:44.01 | Shachar | line 21 is the important one |
| 09:44.32 | liable | it dumps sh to /tmp |
| 09:44.39 | Shachar | it places into the process' memory a string starting with newline, that contains a cron file to copy /bin/sh to /tmp/sh, and set it SUID root |
| 09:45.01 | Shachar | the magic happens because anything dumped into /etc/cron.d will get executed by cron |
| 09:45.24 | Shachar | so it creates a subprocess, that process CDs into /etc/cron.d, and waits |
| 09:45.42 | Shachar | the parent sends it a SIGSEGV, which causes the child to dump core. So you get /etc/cron.d/core |
| 09:45.53 | Shachar | cron goes over it and sees lots of junk |
| 09:46.09 | Shachar | but somewhere in betwee the junk is something it can understand |
| 09:46.12 | Shachar | to it executes it |
| 09:46.18 | Shachar | end of story |
| 09:46.44 | Shachar | it's clever that they found a dir where all you have to do is place a file to get it to execute |
| 09:46.54 | peterS | Shachar: well, it should be noted that cron executes it as root rather than as the user who owns the file. that's a bit dodgy too. |
| 09:47.06 | Shachar | I'm not sure root doesn't own the file |
| 09:47.09 | Shachar | let me check something |
| 09:47.14 | peterS | core files? users own their own core files |
| 09:47.25 | peterS | otherwise if you dump core in /tmp, you wouldn't be able to remove it |
| 09:47.37 | peterS | and it wouldn't count against your quota |
| 09:48.19 | Shachar | it is owned by root |
| 09:48.37 | Shachar | that's what the "prctl(PR_SET_DUMPABLE, 2);" line does |
| 09:48.38 | peterS | why would a core file be owned by root? |
| 09:48.54 | Shachar | according to the man page: |
| 09:49.09 | Shachar | PR_SET_DUMPABLE |
| 09:49.09 | Shachar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.09 | Shachar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.09 | Shachar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:49.22 | Shachar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.28 | Shachar | sorry |
| 09:49.33 | liable | which man page is that? |
| 09:49.38 | peterS | prctl(2) |
| 09:49.39 | Shachar | man prctl |
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| 09:50.54 | Shachar | so, no one knows anything about an etch font problem? |
| 09:51.26 | dondelelcaro | Shachar: if someone knows, they would have filed bugs |
| 09:51.40 | Shachar | I would have filed one |
| 09:51.46 | Shachar | but I have no clue what package to file it against |
| 09:52.09 | Shachar | I don't think it's gvim specific, but I'm having a hard time reliably reproducing it on other packages |
| 09:52.37 | Shachar | and I suspect it's highly depends on the precise env, which means it's not like the vim maintainer will be able to repro it |
| 09:52.45 | Shachar | in short - I don't want to file a useless bug |
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| 09:53.40 | liable | guess its time to compile a new kernel.. |
| 09:54.11 | Shachar | does woody still get security attention? |
| 09:54.21 | Ronin | Shachar: not as i recall |
| 09:54.29 | Shachar | I have a woody machine, and I'm wondering whether I need to compile a new one myself |
| 09:54.30 | dondelelcaro | Shachar: it's going to be EOLed shortly. |
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| 09:54.52 | Shachar | don_inlab, it was either the end of July or the end of June that the security team would EOL it |
| 09:54.59 | Shachar | I just don't remember which :-( |
| 09:55.22 | dondelelcaro | July, iirc... there will be a message to at least d-d-a about it, probably d-a as well. |
| 09:55.44 | Shachar | so this one will probably still make it in |
| 09:55.46 | Shachar | good |
| 09:56.03 | Shachar | coming to think of it, I have TWO woody machines I need to make sure are updated |
| 09:57.42 | liable | Shachar: in regard to that exploit? |
| 09:57.47 | Shachar | yes |
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| 09:58.09 | liable | its >2.6.13 <2.6.17.4 |
| 09:58.25 | liable | so it says.. |
| 09:58.29 | Shachar | are you sure about >2.6.13 part? |
| 09:59.16 | liable | no |
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| 10:02.57 | liable | doesnt affect 2,6,8 anyway |
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| 10:04.48 | Shachar | going to eat |
| 10:04.56 | Shachar | yes, it does seem that it's 2.6.13 and above |
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| 10:13.48 | liable | hrm, i remember reading about a 2.6.17 vuln, but not that it affected kernels below that as well. guess i need to subscribe to yet another mailing list.. :( |
| 10:15.20 | cast | what's the difference between the linux-image-xen and linux-image-xen-vserver pkgs? which one is supposed to run in dom0 and which in domU? pkg descriptions aren't all that useful :| |
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| 10:18.28 | liable | who has the latest etch kernel? |
| 10:19.26 | snorre | What is the latest kernel for Debian 3.1r2? |
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| 10:19.45 | liable | 2.6.8-3 |
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| 10:21.17 | liable | or 2.4.27-3 |
| 10:21.29 | snorre | ok, thanks |
| 10:21.31 | terraces | I installed a package with force-dependencies option, but now, debian tries to remove it when upgrading. How can I force not to remove ? I already added a Pin-Priority in preferences, but it seems that's not the way to do. |
| 10:21.44 | ft | ;) sehr gut. |
| 10:21.48 | ft | arg ;) |
| 10:21.53 | ft | wrong window. |
| 10:22.04 | eastwood | wrong channel imho |
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| 10:22.35 | ft | true, but i got 1 chan per window in my irssi setup. |
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| 10:22.58 | eastwood | i'd rather use tabs |
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| 10:23.09 | liable | hrm, sid 2.6.16 is vulnerable.. |
| 10:23.26 | eastwood | to what? |
| 10:24.08 | liable | an exploit |
| 10:24.52 | liable | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-July/047862.html |
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| 10:25.31 | Antraxx | Hello |
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| 10:25.57 | Antraxx | Does somebody speaks german in here ? |
| 10:26.03 | Kioob | bijour |
| 10:26.03 | multi_io | me |
| 10:26.08 | liable | Antraxx: try #debian.de |
| 10:26.17 | Antraxx | thx |
| 10:26.23 | Antraxx | allright cu guys |
| 10:26.26 | Kioob | oops, sorry |
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| 10:29.01 | multi_io | I type "aptitude install ffmpeg", it displays a solution which includes "The following NEW packages will be installed: ffmpeg libavcodeccvs51 libavutilcvs49 ... Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]", I accept with "y", it displays a long list of packages that have been kept back, and "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]", I enter "y", and it ends without installing anything. |
| 10:29.10 | multi_io | wtf? |
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| 10:33.01 | eastwood | multi_io, what does "dpkg -i ffmpeg" do? |
| 10:33.38 | geemark | what is the easiest way to look up individual DNS records for domains? I need to debug some DNS A/CNAME/MX records remotel |
| 10:33.38 | eastwood | pkg that are kep back are usually deprecated |
| 10:34.59 | multi_io | eastwood: "No such file or directory" (not surprisingly) :) |
| 10:35.14 | multi_io | aha |
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| 10:35.48 | multi_io | "apt-get install ffmpeg" says the packages aren't on the server |
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| 10:36.48 | eastwood | are your sources ok? |
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| 10:37.19 | multi_io | well, I use ftp.nerim.net/mirrors/debian/debian for some mplayer-related stuff |
| 10:37.48 | multi_io | apparently that server has inconsistent package indices |
| 10:37.48 | eastwood | try this 1: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main |
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| 10:38.31 | multi_io | still, I think aptitude should have displayed some error messages... |
| 10:38.51 | multi_io | eastwood: ok, I'll try that source |
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| 10:42.30 | syntaxx | how can i change my system hostname? |
| 10:42.53 | appelza | vi /etc/hostname |
| 10:42.54 | lindi- | syntaxx: what is your current hostname? |
| 10:42.55 | eastwood | hostname <newHostname> |
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| 10:43.02 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 10:43.41 | liable | !HOSTNAME |
| 10:43.42 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 10:43.51 | liable | doh capslock |
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| 10:44.26 | lindi- | liable: /etc/mailname should be edited too, right? |
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| 10:45.52 | terraces | there's no way to force a package not to be removed when updating ? |
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| 10:49.10 | eastwood | terraces, apt-get update |
| 10:49.45 | vick | How do i know which version of like fluxbox is installed and is there something to list it's conf files ? |
| 10:49.51 | Evil_Ed | dunno |
| 10:50.27 | eastwood | vick, apt-cache policy fluxPkg |
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| 10:51.02 | vick | eastwood: Thanks, can i list it's config files ? |
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| 10:51.09 | norton | Is there someway to set the keyboard to not type too fast? If a button is pressed two times in a row too fast, I only want one to be sent. Is there some program that helps me with this? kbdrate doesn't help me. |
| 10:51.16 | menko | fluxbox -v to see which version is in the path |
| 10:51.19 | eastwood | vick, y you can |
| 10:51.37 | eastwood | norton, there is |
| 10:51.41 | vick | eastwood: That command however doesn't list |
| 10:51.50 | eastwood | vick, i know |
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| 10:52.38 | vick | eastwood: apt-cache tho can do so ? |
| 10:52.57 | eastwood | yeah, but i cant remember the parameter |
| 10:53.01 | eastwood | man apt-cache |
| 10:53.12 | norton | eastwood: you know the name of the program? |
| 10:53.21 | vick | ok. |
| 10:53.24 | vick | eastwood: thanks |
| 10:53.42 | eastwood | norton, do you know Xorg ==) |
| 10:53.48 | vick | Which is more stable, apache / apache2 ? |
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| 10:54.29 | norton | eastwood: ah, but I want this in the console |
| 10:54.33 | eastwood | apache2 is stable and better |
| 10:55.38 | terraces | eastwood: that's my problem, when I update, apt-get wants to remove some package, but I want to keep them |
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| 10:56.19 | xav_ | terraces: then don't |
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| 10:57.01 | vick | i am trying to view a .php file, but instead it gives me the download window |
| 10:57.15 | vick | I am using apache2, and i am placing the file in ~/public_html/php/ |
| 10:57.18 | eastwood | terraces, did you do apt-get update instead of apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:57.54 | vick | With the extension .php |
| 10:57.56 | xav_ | eastwood: hm? |
| 10:58.00 | norton | eastwood: care to tell me how to do that in Xorg anyway? |
| 10:58.03 | xav_ | upgrade you mean |
| 10:58.08 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 10:58.09 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:59.38 | eastwood | xav_, yes i meant upgrade* |
| 10:59.43 | terraces | yes eastwood |
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| 11:00.20 | terraces | xav_: there's a package I installed manually, I don't want it to be removed. It just complains about dependencies of a virtual package |
| 11:00.51 | vick | i am trying to view a .php file, but instead it gives me the download window |
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| 11:02.18 | terraces | xav_ , eastwood http://pastebin.ca/86877 |
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| 11:03.04 | jbrimble | I've installed Apache2 via apt-get, but where is my httpd.conf? |
| 11:03.34 | cast | jbrimble: isn't it apache[2?].conf? |
| 11:03.35 | evilgeek | it should be in /etc/apache2/ |
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| 11:03.48 | jbrimble | ahh, there it is |
| 11:03.50 | jbrimble | thanks guys |
| 11:03.51 | vick | using the packaging system to know i guess |
| 11:03.54 | jbrimble | i was looking for the wrong name |
| 11:04.05 | xav_ | terraces: you don't have phpapi-20051025 ? |
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| 11:06.43 | xav_ | terraces: you are using sarge? |
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| 11:06.52 | eXiSt | hi |
| 11:07.30 | vick | How do i restart a service ? |
| 11:07.43 | vick | Cleanly |
| 11:07.49 | eastwood | -> /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 11:07.57 | eXiSt | i tried to give static ip to a client in my network by dhcp3 server |
| 11:07.59 | eXiSt | Jul 13 13:53:28 orion dhcpd: /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 19: Bogus number: 00-01-6C-AC-73-C4. |
| 11:07.59 | eXiSt | Jul 13 13:53:28 orion dhcpd: hardware ethernet 00-01-6C-AC-73-C4; |
| 11:07.59 | eXiSt | Jul 13 13:53:28 orion dhcpd: ^ |
| 11:07.59 | eXiSt | Jul 13 13:53:28 orion dhcpd: Configuration file errors encountered -- exiting |
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| 11:08.10 | eXiSt | it gave this error |
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| 11:09.27 | eSa| | hi - i'm trying to setup a nortek usb adsl modem. eciadsl should adress my needs, but I'm seeing several differences between the version provided in the debian package and the official one available from http://eciadsl.flashtux.org |
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| 11:10.05 | terraces | xav_: phpapi seems to be a virtual package. I'm running testing |
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| 11:11.27 | xav_ | terraces: this package is available in testing |
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| 11:12.06 | xav_ | what did you mean by "installed manually" ? |
| 11:12.39 | oskude | hi, could someone tell me if debian has "#defoptions" in the grub menu.lst ? (if its called menu.lst) |
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| 11:13.49 | eSa| | in particular the online documentation refers to some commands not available in the deb package. The major showstopper, is at the moment, the lack of firmware wich the debdocs say to download from flashtux.org. |
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| 11:17.58 | terraces | xav_: I just saw what's wrong. I still got dotdeb.org in my source list, so I got both testing / dotdeb packages, that's why it cannot fint phpapi virtual package |
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| 11:19.05 | liable | oskude: whats does that do in your distro? |
| 11:19.41 | oskude | liable, as i know, update-grub uses those options to add for every new kernel as boot options (ubuntu) |
| 11:19.56 | oskude | liable, so debian doesnt have that ? |
| 11:19.58 | eXiSt | can u help me about dhcp3? |
| 11:20.08 | liable | oskude: well, in debian thats ##kopt and ##groot |
| 11:20.14 | eXiSt | i cant determine a static ip for clients |
| 11:20.21 | liable | oskude: surprised its different in ubuntu |
| 11:20.30 | oskude | liable, ok, thank |
| 11:20.36 | oskude | liable, yeah, me too |
| 11:20.38 | snorre | Is there any good (noob) guide for compiling your custom kernel in Debian 3.1r2? |
| 11:21.18 | snorre | I've never compiled a kernel in my life, but now I have to do it to get a driver working |
| 11:21.53 | snorre | I'd appreciate if anyone could give me some pointers |
| 11:22.36 | liable | snorre: cant you just compile the module? |
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| 11:23.07 | dorel__ | can i make xorg run without mouse and keyboard attached? |
| 11:24.14 | HelmutG | dorel__: at least without mouse: yes |
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| 11:25.09 | norton | dorel__: yes |
| 11:25.36 | norton | I used it with only a dancemat connected :) |
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| 11:25.43 | [GABRI] | hi people |
| 11:25.44 | snorre | liable: I don't know the difference, you tell me :) |
| 11:25.50 | [GABRI] | i need redirect all trafic to website |
| 11:26.02 | [GABRI] | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.1.33 --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to 216.239.59.104, it is correct? |
| 11:26.29 | liable | snorre: generally, if you need to compile a driver, you can install kernel headers and away you go and compile it.. no need to compile the whole kernel |
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| 11:27.23 | snorre | liable: Sounds simple when you say it. If I send you the source, can you please tell me if it will work or not on Debian 3.1r2? |
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| 11:28.15 | snorre | (the guys that sent it to me doesn't support Debian) |
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| 11:30.38 | oskude | liable, hmm, heres is a debian menu.lst and it does have #defoptions http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7148&start=0& did you just quess ? |
| 11:32.02 | liable | oskude: no, i didnt guess. |
| 11:32.20 | dorel__ | HelmutG: how? i've disabled the mouse config and the core pointer also, but its still failing on those (i've commented them) |
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| 11:32.31 | dorel__ | HelmutG: im talking about /etc/X11/xorg.conf ofcourse |
| 11:32.37 | liable | snorre: i am not oing to compile it. but if you try, and paste the errors, then people here can try and help |
| 11:33.06 | oskude | liable, well, now i know (if that post is correct) that debian has that option too... |
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| 11:34.12 | liable | oskude: yes, it appears it does, the options that you can use there, i put in the #kopt bit. suit yourself which you use |
| 11:34.30 | oskude | liable, yup |
| 11:35.45 | HelmutG | dorel__: sorry, I don't know that anymore. |
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| 11:39.54 | pks | any news about gluck? |
| 11:40.16 | liable | nothing interesting |
| 11:40.43 | liable | ask slashdot for random guesses as to what happened :) |
| 11:40.55 | evilgeek | gluck? |
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| 11:41.42 | liable | a debian server was hacked |
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| 11:42.17 | pks | liable: i've just read news on /. |
| 11:42.50 | pks | i was hoping to see some conversation about hacked server when i joned here |
| 11:42.58 | evilgeek | ugh, again? that's annoying. |
| 11:42.59 | pks | but it looks like nobody cares/is aware |
| 11:43.14 | pks | or, maybe i am just late ;/ |
| 11:43.16 | liable | no one seems to be willing to say/knows what happened |
| 11:43.43 | evilgeek | i'd imagine that people care, it's just that most people find this sort of thing no more than a minor nuisance. |
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| 11:44.14 | evilgeek | (i presume to speak on behalf of "most people", apparently.) |
| 11:44.35 | pks | yeap its a worry |
| 11:44.46 | pks | because i dont want to end up being hacked by some 12 year old |
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| 11:44.57 | evilgeek | it's a worry, sure, but i'm not going to jump off a building because of it. |
| 11:45.01 | liable | it will all come out in the wash, give it time |
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| 11:47.14 | liable | pks: got a sid or etch debian kernel? |
| 11:47.56 | pks | testing/unstable |
| 11:48.07 | pks | actualy its a mixture of packages |
| 11:48.20 | pks | but the kernel is from stable |
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| 12:02.37 | czeksita | "Starting with today the Debian IRC host alias irc.debian.org directs to irc.oftc.net maintained by the Open and Free Technology Community (OFTC). ". How should i unerstand this? youre leaving freenode? why? |
| 12:02.53 | liable | czeksita: /topic |
| 12:03.17 | liable | czeksita: it has info on the reasons for the move |
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| 12:06.45 | blondie | oftc sucks! |
| 12:06.51 | blondie | freenode 4evar! |
| 12:07.52 | snorre | liable: pm |
| 12:08.22 | dorel__ | my dvdrom which was always recognizes as /dev/hdb is not showing up anymore. not on dmesg, no /dev/hdb... |
| 12:08.27 | dorel__ | i opened the case, its all plugged in |
| 12:08.31 | liable | snorre: please keep it in channel. that way more people can see the problem and try to help |
| 12:09.04 | appelza | is there a way to check all mysql's dependencies without having the .deb ? |
| 12:09.14 | xav_ | why does everyone stay here? |
| 12:09.30 | xav_ | there are twice more ppl here than on oftc |
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| 12:09.43 | liable | appelza: you can use dpkg (the bot) or apt-cache show |
| 12:10.11 | czeksita | http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html <--- it doesn't work for me :P |
| 12:10.14 | snorre | http://pastebin.ca/86909 <- will this work in Debian, yes or no? |
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| 12:10.47 | snorre | Debian 3.1r2 i386 |
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| 12:11.43 | appelza | thanks |
| 12:11.49 | liable | snorre: install kernel-headers for your kernel, and try and build it |
| 12:12.04 | snorre | liable: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 12:12.41 | liable | snorre: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 12:13.03 | liable | snorre: copy and paste, then cd into the source dir of the package and type make |
| 12:14.09 | snorre | liable: Did you read my link, is it compatible with Debian kernel or not? |
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| 12:14.39 | snorre | these guys doesn't support Debian and previous source code didn't work with Debian kernels. |
| 12:14.45 | liable | snorre: yes i read it.. i have no idea if it will work.. |
| 12:14.54 | snorre | How can I be assured that this will work or not? |
| 12:14.57 | liable | snorre: just do as i said, and we will soon know.. |
| 12:15.16 | snorre | I don't have Debian installed at the moment |
| 12:15.28 | snorre | Had to uninstall it to try other distributions |
| 12:15.40 | liable | well, then i guess i cant help.. |
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| 12:17.24 | liable | snorre: if its compatible with any kernel, it should work with debian.. |
| 12:17.57 | liable | snorre: otherwise you may just have to compile a vanilla one if for some very weird reason it doesnt like debian patches.. |
| 12:19.14 | snorre | liable: in theory yes, but previous attempts it failed on Debian kernels |
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| 12:19.48 | liable | snorre: unless you can supply the actuall errors i cant even begin to try to help |
| 12:20.00 | snorre | This is a new version though, but I need expert advice before I waste another half-day installing Debian just to be dissapointed once more |
| 12:20.19 | liable | meh, it takes 20 minutes to install debian.. |
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| 12:20.42 | snorre | Not the full install from the internet |
| 12:20.49 | snorre | floppy install |
| 12:20.57 | blondie | hahahahaha floppy disks |
| 12:20.58 | blondie | :) |
| 12:21.05 | snorre | there |
| 12:21.14 | snorre | there is no cdrom/dvdrom in the machine... |
| 12:21.32 | blondie | I hope you're doing a netinstall... |
| 12:21.54 | liable | snorre: is it a iface driver, looks like a controller driver |
| 12:21.55 | snorre | yes, that's what I did before |
| 12:22.22 | jbrimble | anyone know how to change the password in TightVNC? |
| 12:22.32 | snorre | liable: Ok, but is the directory structure and everything compliant with Debian? |
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| 12:23.25 | liable | snorre: unfortunately i cant say, but it would be hard to believe that it works on *any* kernel other than debian |
| 12:23.32 | snorre | I feel I've wasted enough time just testing things, especially when a true expert would know if it would work or not |
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| 12:25.09 | snorre | liable: So the only to know for sure is by installing Debian again? |
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| 12:25.36 | dondelelcaro | snorre: it's not like the kernel or kernel module has much to do with the distribution. |
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| 12:25.59 | dondelelcaro | snorre: if you've got a kernel that is working with that module, you can run Debian on that machine, and have the kernel and module work. |
| 12:26.30 | liable | snorre: like i say, if it works on another distro, and for a some very weird reason it wont on debian, then just compile a vanilla kernel and it should work.. |
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| 12:28.06 | snorre | liable: I currently have CentOS-4.3 installed, but there are no linux kernel source code in /usr/src/linux |
| 12:28.21 | snorre | no gcc either |
| 12:28.51 | liable | so install them?? |
| 12:29.14 | liable | but you have to ask those people on how to do that |
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| 12:29.40 | darren_ | I am using Etch on my thinkpad T23,I found that it has no sound after restoring from 'suspend to ram',many people have this problem,is there a way around?restore from suspend to disk is ok with no problem. |
| 12:29.54 | snorre | liable: I'll do my best |
| 12:30.00 | liable | darren_: you have the hibernate package? |
| 12:30.20 | liable | darren_: you can unload modules and shit with the conf files for it |
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| 12:31.20 | liable | dondelelcaro: any news on gluck? |
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| 12:33.08 | darren_ | liable:sh*t with?what does that mean?I have not install the hibernate package,since I use gnome,so I use gnome-power-manager instead.will just installing hibernate script solve my problem? |
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| 12:33.26 | Loevborg | guys, I'm stumped. How do I properly re-assemble a rotated logfile broken into pieces access.log.1.gz access.log.10.gz access.log.2.gz? |
| 12:33.51 | Loevborg | (The problem is, of course, the default sort order) |
| 12:34.01 | liable | darren_: it has conf files that you can unload services/modules before suspend and reload after. check it out |
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| 12:34.42 | liable | darren_: its ok, you can say shit here.. |
| 12:34.47 | Loevborg | (ps: what I try to do is feed old apache2 log files into AWStats) |
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| 12:38.41 | liable | Loevborg: can you not run it manually specifying the filea? |
| 12:38.47 | [GABRI] | how i can redirrect all my traffic to a website? |
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| 12:39.36 | Loevborg | liable, how so? |
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| 12:40.05 | liable | Loevborg: i dont really want to read the awstats docs for you :P |
| 12:40.17 | Loevborg | liable, then my answer is, no |
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| 12:40.25 | Loevborg | I checked that |
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| 12:41.00 | wdamn | Hi, when I try to install amule-utils I've got this error: take a look in #flood |
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| 12:41.09 | ThomasPorter | Hello |
| 12:41.25 | ThomasPorter | I need to install a mail server... i've tried and failed afew times. |
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| 12:41.34 | darren_ | liable:thanks I will check it out.but another question,hibernate script does not run a daemon like cpufreqd does,right?so when the notebook comes back from supsension,it will not know this event right?A bug(something related to race problem after restoration from suspend to ram) of cpufreqd in etch was fixed just two days ago,if sound proble is solved running etch on thinkpad is prefect then |
| 12:41.45 | Ronin | [GABRI]: redirect all traffic to a website? |
| 12:41.58 | ThomasPorter | Could anyone tell me what I need to install to run a mail server? |
| 12:41.59 | Loevborg | liable, well maybe yes, actually |
| 12:42.09 | [GABRI] | mm Ronin when the clients try into www.1.com i nedd to redirect to www.2.com |
| 12:42.16 | Ronin | ThomasPorter: a linux computer and a mta installed |
| 12:42.34 | ThomasPorter | Ronin: I've got the linux box.. mta? |
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| 12:42.46 | ThomasPorter | "Metropolitan Transportation Authority" |
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| 12:43.13 | Ronin | mail transport agent ie the mail server |
| 12:43.20 | liable | darren_: all it does is give you the ability to stop services and unload modules and vice versa at start, so if you need to stop cpufreqd, it can do that |
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| 12:43.25 | [GABRI] | mm Ronin do you know the answer? |
| 12:43.32 | ThomasPorter | Ronin: Is it simple enough to apt-get a mail server.. or is alot of configuration required? |
| 12:43.34 | blondie | ThomasPorter: a mail server for sending/receiving/what? |
| 12:43.47 | ThomasPorter | blondie, email |
| 12:43.51 | blondie | ... |
| 12:43.59 | Ronin | heh |
| 12:44.12 | blondie | oh right, I thought you meant a mail server for webpages |
| 12:44.17 | ThomasPorter | Why do i have the feeling I said something stupid. |
| 12:44.32 | blondie | do you want to send mail, or receive/access it? |
| 12:44.35 | blondie | or both? |
| 12:44.35 | ThomasPorter | Sorry, a pop3 mail server |
| 12:44.43 | ThomasPorter | Both. |
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| 12:44.44 | blondie | pop3? are you sure? |
| 12:44.44 | Ronin | [GABRI]: off the top of my coffee deprived head, id say edit the httpd.conf |
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| 12:44.49 | blondie | I'd suggest IMAP :| |
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| 12:45.02 | ThomasPorter | blondie, pop3 to send IMAP to get? |
| 12:45.05 | blondie | no |
| 12:45.07 | ThomasPorter | Or is it the other way around.. |
| 12:45.12 | blondie | no |
| 12:45.22 | blondie | POP3 and IMAP are two ways of accessing email stored on a server |
| 12:45.25 | ThomasPorter | Oh. |
| 12:45.39 | blondie | SMTP is for sending mail, and for it to arrive on the server |
| 12:45.45 | ThomasPorter | Is it just me or do the majority of people use POP3? |
| 12:46.01 | blondie | the majority of ISPs use it for their users |
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| 12:46.23 | ThomasPorter | Ah I see |
| 12:46.24 | blondie | POP3 is rubbis though |
| 12:46.27 | blondie | +h |
| 12:46.47 | ThomasPorter | What makes IMAP better? |
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| 12:46.51 | blondie | IMAP is much nicer, and is used (or Exchange x.x) by large organisations etc |
| 12:46.53 | ThomasPorter | just wondering.. |
| 12:47.10 | ThomasPorter | I remember trying to install dovecot once.. |
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| 12:47.17 | ThomasPorter | Is that what would be recommended again? |
| 12:47.18 | blondie | !imap |
| 12:47.18 | charzero | IMAP stores messages on the server. |
| 12:47.18 | dpkg | methinks imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. |
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| 12:48.00 | basanta | anyone compilled seamonkey with pango ? |
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| 12:48.14 | ThomasPorter | and IMAP will send email using a say.. outlook.. |
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| 12:48.31 | vick | Should i use bind or bind9 ? |
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| 12:49.42 | pks | bind9 |
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| 12:54.41 | ThomasPorter | Gordano messaging suite = the best? |
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| 12:55.32 | n3o | hi |
| 12:55.47 | n3o | I've a question to my debian |
| 12:55.56 | Ronin | ThomasPorter: never heard of it but best for what? best is pretty subjective |
| 12:56.31 | Ronin | n3o: best just to ask it |
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| 12:56.49 | charzero | vick: djbdns |
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| 13:00.54 | n3o | I've a striped raid with a silicon image controller (si3112)...can i install debian on it or need I a special kernel version or driver |
| 13:00.55 | n3o | ?? |
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| 13:03.04 | wdamn | Hi, when I try to install amule-utils I've got this error: take a look in #flood |
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| 13:04.08 | jonnylamb | n3o: if this is hardware raid, then debian should just see it as one drive, correct me if i'm wrong.. |
| 13:04.17 | SeanTater_ | are they in mid-move between 2.6.16 and 2.6.15 in etch? Nvidia modules for 2.6.15 are not available, 2.6.26 is. Reverse for the kernel |
| 13:04.43 | SeanTater_ | oops -- I should have mentioned those versions are kernel versions |
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| 13:06.31 | highvoltage | hi, what is the contrib section in debian for again? |
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| 13:07.00 | SeanTater_ | highvoltage: I think it;s free software that needs non-free software to wrk |
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| 13:07.15 | jonnylamb | highvoltage: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 13:09.51 | n3o | highvoltage: i think its a software raid too but can I although install debian on the HDÄS |
| 13:09.56 | n3o | HD's |
| 13:09.57 | n3o | ? |
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| 13:13.03 | luxurien_William | hello |
| 13:14.00 | liable | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
| 13:14.09 | liable | n3o: ^^ |
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| 13:15.13 | ayaz | Is there any package in which apt-get comes bundled? |
| 13:15.13 | luxurien_William | I've a little problemb with my sources.list : I don't find the exact path to access my debmirror directory : '/home/mirror/sid/dists/...' |
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| 13:15.35 | fourat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.42 | luxurien_William | that doesn't work : 'deb file:/home/mirror/sid/dists/ unstable main contrib non-free' |
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| 13:16.19 | liable | fourat: if its networked, yep. just use postscript driver |
| 13:16.32 | luxurien_William | could you help me ? i search the exact line to put in the sources.list :/ |
| 13:18.53 | jonnylamb | luxurien_William: try "deb file:///home/mirror/ sid main contrib non-free" |
| 13:19.23 | fourat | liable, when trying to add the printer, i wrote the printer URI (ipp://10.10.1.251:631/printers/Lexmark_International_Lexmark_E232_USB_1), clicked next, and it's now demanding it's driver |
| 13:20.07 | liable | fourat: no option for postscript? |
| 13:20.37 | liable | fourat: i set mine up a while ago, cant remember exact details, but i didnt have to install a driver on the client |
| 13:21.02 | lunaphyte_ | how can i tell which disk is failing in this output? http://rafb.net/paste/results/eP1I2B93.html |
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| 13:21.16 | liable | i goota sleep anyway, laters |
| 13:22.10 | luxurien_William | thanks a lot jonnylamb |
| 13:22.19 | luxurien_William | 'deb file:///home/mirror/sid/ sid main contrib non-free' rox :) |
| 13:22.55 | luxurien_William | upgrade by local mirror \o/ |
| 13:23.19 | jonnylamb | luxurien_William: you got your own unstable mirror then? |
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| 13:24.02 | ayaz | Does apt-get come bundled with some package on a debian distro? |
| 13:24.57 | casanova-- | ayaz apt |
| 13:25.05 | jonnylamb | ayaz: dpkg -S apt-get |
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| 13:25.58 | opnsrc | I want to install abiword but it then wants to uninstal abiword gnome and gnome |
| 13:26.02 | luxurien_William | yes jonnylamb |
| 13:26.13 | opnsrc | So I tried to uninstall abiword Gnome and it want to uninstall gnome |
| 13:26.22 | opnsrc | How do I install abiword, I don't like abiword Gnome |
| 13:26.25 | casanova-- | opnsrc are you trying to istall a QT -abiword |
| 13:26.32 | opnsrc | just the regular abiword |
| 13:26.38 | casanova-- | from apt? |
| 13:26.41 | ayaz | Ok, casanova, jonnylamb. Thanks. I'll try that. |
| 13:26.41 | luxurien_William | and a Stable mirror, to install my server with the smile :) |
| 13:26.50 | opnsrc | from synaptic though I don't mind using apt |
| 13:26.56 | jonnylamb | luxurien_William: you using the anonftpsync script that is provided by the debian site? |
| 13:27.00 | opnsrc | but wouldn't it just give the same results? |
| 13:27.01 | casanova-- | tried to install the standalone package or from the sources? |
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| 13:27.24 | opnsrc | uhm.... just the standalone package I think |
| 13:27.33 | opnsrc | from repositories |
| 13:27.37 | luxurien_William | no jonnylamb, I use debmirror and this line for sid : 'time debmirror -p -v -h ftp.ticklers.org /home/mirror/sid/ -d sid --postcleanup --ignore-release-gpg --getcontents --nosource' |
| 13:28.06 | luxurien_William | this server because of it was very quick |
| 13:28.18 | luxurien_William | *fast |
| 13:28.30 | porkpie | guy's is there a .deb for bacula server ? |
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| 13:28.47 | opnsrc | even with apt it still wants to remove gnome |
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| 13:29.30 | jonnylamb | porkpie: apt-get install bacula-server seems to think so |
| 13:30.30 | lunaphyte_ | where is the software raid config file? |
| 13:30.47 | n3o | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#sii311x |
| 13:30.57 | nevyn | lunaphyte_: /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 13:31.01 | jonnylamb | lunaphyte: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 13:31.05 | n3o | k |
| 13:31.06 | n3o | ^^ |
| 13:31.08 | n3o | uuuuuuuups |
| 13:31.13 | lunaphyte_ | ah - thanks. |
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| 13:32.20 | n3o | one question only^^ this page (http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#sii311x) tells me that my S-ATA Controller is integrated but is the S-ATA Controller the Raid Controller |
| 13:32.20 | n3o | ? |
| 13:32.37 | n3o | i think no or? |
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| 13:34.14 | appelza | how do I install db4 ? |
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| 13:34.20 | appelza | so I have the db4.h file? |
| 13:34.34 | appelza | db.h even |
| 13:34.51 | SeanTater | nvidia-glx is gone on etch -- what is necessary to work around this? |
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| 13:35.34 | jonnylamb | SeanTater: install the stable version |
| 13:35.48 | opnsrc | How do I install abiword without removing gnome |
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| 13:36.08 | opnsrc | I don't want to manually download abiword, don't like to manually keep things up to date |
| 13:37.26 | linuxdesktop | i need to ping all address on on 192.168.1.0-255 |
| 13:37.30 | linuxdesktop | how to do that |
| 13:37.38 | CyberMad | i tried install debian from netinst CD image (100 Mb) for i386, i got problem with APT Configuration, i tried http, ftp but no luck.. for example i choose http then United States then ftp.debian.org, but there is error message: Failed to access debian archive.. blah blah. Any idea? |
| 13:37.40 | appelza | What package has db.h ? |
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| 13:38.37 | linuxdesktop | i need to ping all address on on 192.168.1.0-255 |
| 13:38.42 | linuxdesktop | how to do that |
| 13:39.07 | Fox | ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
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| 13:40.39 | n3o | could it be that it is a hardware raid because when i make a backup with ghost it gets it automaticaly only on winX installation it fails without the correct driver |
| 13:40.44 | v|p3r | linuxdesktop: nmap -sP iprange |
| 13:40.49 | ayaz | What is apt-utils? |
| 13:40.50 | opnsrc | linuxdesktop, just type ping and the IP address |
| 13:41.13 | opnsrc | How do I install abiword without removing gnome |
| 13:41.18 | lunaphyte_ | i've removed a faulty drive from a raidset. what else do i need to do before i pull it out of the machine? |
| 13:42.19 | nflenz_ | apt-get install abiword-gnome? |
| 13:42.36 | n3o | i want to have a raid ... its's so fast |
| 13:42.36 | n3o | ^^ |
| 13:42.48 | opnsrc | I like Nvidia, less compatibility issues |
| 13:43.03 | opnsrc | nflenz_, no, I don't want abiword-gnome |
| 13:43.07 | opnsrc | I want abiword |
| 13:43.11 | lunaphyte_ | linux software raid, btw. |
| 13:43.18 | sepski | lunaphyte if itr's faile djust mdadm remove it, otherways use mdadm set foulty, then mdadm remove, then you can physicaly remove /replace and mdadm add |
| 13:43.22 | opnsrc | but I don't want to remove gnome |
| 13:43.31 | opnsrc | I used to be able to do this but for some reason it doesn't allow me anymore |
| 13:43.36 | opnsrc | How do I install abiword without removing gnome |
| 13:43.52 | SeanTater | jonnylamb: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 but it is not installable |
| 13:44.01 | lunaphyte_ | sepski: i've done all that, but the disk also has a swap partition on it that's being used, and i don't want the machine to barf if i pull it. |
| 13:44.11 | sepski | lunaphyte swapoff |
| 13:44.26 | lunaphyte_ | thanks |
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| 13:45.22 | jonnylamb | SeanTater: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html - follow these instructions to building your own then |
| 13:45.30 | amee2k | is there a tool that can create a CRC checksum and at least one cryptographic hash (MD5, SHA1, whirlpool, ...) from files without reading them twice or more? |
| 13:45.52 | lunaphyte_ | sepski: once i've done that, debian won't complain when it sees the physical device go away? |
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| 13:46.25 | sepski | lunaphyte_, are you hotswapping ? does your hardware support that ? |
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| 13:46.46 | francois1 | Hey guys I am looking for someone who can give me a shell for a couple minutes so i can remotley test something? |
| 13:46.52 | lunaphyte_ | sepski: i would like to - it's a sata disk. |
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| 13:47.20 | sepski | just verify nothing on the drive is beeing used in any way. and not all satachipsets support hotswap |
| 13:47.24 | lunaphyte_ | as long as debian will let me. |
| 13:47.27 | SeanTater | jonnylamb: thanks, I'll look at them, but the sid version installed fine |
| 13:47.40 | sepski | lunaphyte you can remove it probably, not add without support |
| 13:47.46 | sepski | try and learn :) |
| 13:47.53 | lunaphyte_ | haha. |
| 13:47.57 | syntaxx | im having problem in installing courier-imap it says ERR: config file missing after i apt-get install courier-imap-ssl |
| 13:47.57 | lunaphyte_ | of course. |
| 13:48.39 | amee2k | francois1: would you let someone else log onto your box just because he 'want to try something'? o.O |
| 13:49.15 | syntaxx | im having problem in installing courier-imap it says ERR: config file missing after i apt-get install courier-imap-ssl how to fix this? |
| 13:49.21 | francois1 | amee2k: in this case yes i will create an account for an account on ur box i just need to test something on my network which ic ant do localyl |
| 13:49.24 | n3o | so debian should get the raid on installation?? |
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| 13:50.01 | lunaphyte_ | sepski: how can i tell debian to stop using /dev/sda ? |
| 13:50.07 | SeanTater | jonnylamb: on second thoughy, I think I will do what that page does, the sid dependancies came to a halt too |
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| 13:50.34 | francois1 | anyone? |
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| 13:53.49 | jonnylamb | SeanTater: those instructions have worked fine for me, at least until i fried BOTH my nvidia graphics cards :( i'm stuck with my onboard via device, and it's slow as crap on 1600x1200 |
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| 13:55.34 | opnsrc | does anyone know where abiword-gnome installs to? |
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| 13:56.59 | abrotman | opnsrc: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 13:57.25 | Thanatermesis | any news about apt-file ? :'( |
| 13:57.43 | abrotman | check the BTS or email the maintainer |
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| 13:57.53 | ramiroec | how i can get the videocard memory video ? |
| 13:57.58 | SeanTater | jonnylamb: I'm glad they worked for you, even if they broke your card, although not even the DIY steps work, nvidia-kernel-source is not available in testing or in the repos it suggested |
| 13:57.59 | RainbowW | so when i have lots of torrents (like 50 or so) going in ktorrent, and each one has 10-30 files in it, i start getting too many file open errors. an FGI on how to increase the number of file handles pointed to /proc/sys/fs/file-max, but increasing that didn't help, even after a reboot with a script that changed it while still in single-user mode. how can i increase the number of file handles available to the system? |
| 13:58.05 | abrotman | ramiroec: for what? |
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| 13:58.57 | tanit | This is too weird. Just restarted the server here (upgraded the tape drive) and now ssh won't start. |
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| 13:59.52 | samuel | sup all |
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| 14:00.31 | samuel | is there any way to send an ssh command in one line, including login and pass? such as "ssh:user@pass reboot" |
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| 14:02.00 | SeanTater | samuel: not to0 my knowledgr |
| 14:02.22 | SeanTater | samuel: I was looking for that quite a while to do something similar |
| 14:02.45 | dorel__ | how can i disable the mouse and keyboard for running xorg? |
| 14:02.47 | samuel | :( |
| 14:02.58 | hoerup | samuel, have you considered using certificates - that way you can elimate the need for entering a password |
| 14:03.25 | samuel | no i have not... ill look into it |
| 14:03.41 | Tallu | samuel: yeah certificates are the way to go for automating tasks |
| 14:03.58 | hoerup | samuel, take a look at this http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~ranga/notes/ssh_nopass.html |
| 14:04.03 | ramiroec | abrotman : i need the number in MB |
| 14:04.15 | samuel | hoerup, thanks! |
| 14:04.29 | abrotman | ramiroec: yes .. for what? |
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| 14:04.57 | ramiroec | abrotman : to tray get work google earth fine |
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| 14:05.31 | abrotman | ramiroec: should be in your X log among other places |
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| 14:05.33 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 14:06.04 | ramiroec | lspci -v ? |
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| 14:06.36 | siliv | Hi. I need an advice. I would like to change the default shell when I create a new user to /bin/none, as my server is a web and mail server so users do not need to login to the server with a shell. How do I do that? Thanks |
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| 14:07.15 | Bushmills | chsh -s newshell user |
| 14:07.27 | MacCoaster | hey guys, im kinda new to debian and am trying to install kernel headers from the repos but seems like 2.6.8 is latest (i'm on etch with 2.6.15-1) and even so i cant seem to apt-get install because it says 2.4.x not anything about 2.6.x am i missing something |
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| 14:07.54 | Bushmills | check also /etc/shells for legal/available shells |
| 14:08.14 | snorre | how do I set up X with apt-get? |
| 14:08.30 | jelly | siliv: /etc/adduser.conf if you use adduser |
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| 14:08.39 | Bushmills | siliv: better though may be to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:08.51 | lunitik | !info linux-headers-2.6.15-1 etch |
| 14:08.54 | siliv | Bushmills thanks, but what I need is to tell the system which shell to use by default when I create a new user, I do not need to change current user's shells as there are no users yet |
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| 14:09.06 | Bushmills | siliv: to allow only specific users, rather than all |
| 14:09.48 | lunitik | MacCoaster: they renamed the kernel packages in etch... its no longer 'kernel-image' but rather 'linux-image' (due to linux not being the only kernel in Debian) |
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| 14:10.26 | MacCoaster | lunitik, ahh ok let me try that :) |
| 14:10.59 | siliv | thanks Bushmills :p |
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| 14:11.22 | hoerup | any news on the compromised debian project server ?? |
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| 14:11.49 | Bushmills | siliv: AllowUsers user1 usre2 user3 |
| 14:12.38 | siliv | btw Bushmills, after editing this file do I need to restart some service? |
| 14:13.01 | hoerup | siliv, you could also take a look at the AllowGroup option |
| 14:13.07 | Fox | /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:13.14 | lunaphyte_ | how can i rescan the sata bus for devices without rebooting? |
| 14:13.18 | Bushmills | siliv: yes, sshd. /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 14:13.19 | siliv | allowusers is fine, as I have to allow only root connecting |
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| 14:14.29 | Bushmills | siliv, be aware though that this relates to ssh logins only. which is smart to do anyway, don't ever user telnet anymore over the net. |
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| 14:16.26 | siliv | thanks Bushmills. btw my server is also a ftp server. I use proftpd, but i have a problem. To allow only some users to connect to ftp, I have to put all "disallowed" users in the config file, which is not very convenient. any way to tell proftpd to only allow some users ? |
| 14:16.57 | MacCoaster | thanks lunitik for the tip :) i'm off |
| 14:17.05 | peppet | siliv: useradd -s username sets default shell for username and future users |
| 14:17.16 | oggis__ | hmm |
| 14:17.24 | siliv | because without that each time I create a new user mailbox I'll have to put it in the config file |
| 14:17.25 | peppet | *useradd -s shell username |
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| 14:18.14 | Bushmills | siliv: sorry, me not ftp expert. i prefer sftp/scp |
| 14:18.35 | siliv | ok thanks |
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| 14:20.05 | hoerup | siliv, http://pastebin.ca/86974 |
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| 14:20.30 | cr3 | what is the purpose of the content of the lost+found folder? |
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| 14:21.20 | lunitik | cr3: its an ext3 feature... basically if you experience curruption or data loss... it tries to put the data there to put it back together etc... |
| 14:21.49 | lunitik | cr3: you definitely do not want to remove them... |
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| 14:23.00 | cr3 | lunitik: do those files get deleted after running fsck? |
| 14:23.34 | lunitik | cr3: they are usually put there via fsck.ext3 |
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| 14:24.16 | lunitik | cr3: your lost+found dir's have files in them? |
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| 14:27.26 | the_mug | I'm setting up a a server.. but I want to use Software Raid... is this available on the netinst ISO ? |
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| 14:27.47 | peppet | the_mug: sure |
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| 14:28.13 | lunitik | the_mug: its listed as an option by the partition manager... |
| 14:28.14 | cr3 | lunitik: yep, plenty, and I have a feeling that's a result of running fsck which found a bunch of errors. |
| 14:29.06 | lunitik | cr3: yes, thats exactly why they end up there... probably bad harddrive... |
| 14:29.15 | cr3 | lunitik: the problem was that I had a ext3 file mounted a couple times which corrupted the filesystem. now, everything is fine and I don't quite know what to do with the files in the lost+found directory |
| 14:29.46 | lunitik | cr3: if you're sure they're nothing you need... you can just remove them... |
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| 14:30.22 | cr3 | lunitik: I know I won't need them, but will fsck need them still? |
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| 14:30.41 | Edwin_Quijada | what is the directory for anonymous users in vsftpd |
| 14:30.42 | Edwin_Quijada | ? |
| 14:30.54 | cr3 | lunitik: I tried looking for documentation about the lost+found directory, but there is no such manpage and fsck doesn't mention it |
| 14:30.57 | lunitik | cr3: it shouldn't... lost+found is basically inodes it has no idea about |
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| 14:32.07 | the_mug | lunitik: thanks |
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| 14:33.35 | hendrik | hi |
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| 14:35.03 | simon23_afk | what does freedoom/prboom use for a screen resolution ? |
| 14:35.32 | lunitik | simon23_afk: "small" |
| 14:35.44 | lunitik | simon23_afk: at least by default :P |
| 14:35.47 | cr3 | lunitik: thanks for all the info, I found this page which you might find interesting as well: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/lostfound.html |
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| 14:36.45 | a1fa | how come irc.debian.org doesnt point to freenode anymore? |
| 14:36.55 | Ronin | a1fa: /topic |
| 14:36.59 | a1fa | aight |
| 14:37.20 | zn- | freenode owned them apparently j/k |
| 14:37.23 | a1fa | cool.. i didnt even see topic |
| 14:37.28 | a1fa | fucking bitchx |
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| 14:37.42 | a1fa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.52 | a1fa | again :( |
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| 14:38.06 | lunitik | !bitchx |
| 14:38.07 | dpkg | [bitchx] a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages |
| 14:38.47 | lunitik | blah... that used to say "apt-get remove --purge bitchx && apt-get install irssi-text" |
| 14:38.52 | lunitik | stupid bot |
| 14:39.06 | appelza | !libperl |
| 14:39.14 | lunitik | !find libperl |
| 14:39.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libperl' (13): libperl-dev ;; libperl4caml-ocaml ;; libperl4caml-ocaml-dev ;; libperl4caml-ocaml-doc ;; libperl5.8 ;; libperl6-export-perl ;; libperl6-form-perl ;; libperl6-slurp-perl ;; libperldoc-search-perl ;; libperlio-eol-perl ;; libperlio-via-dynamic-perl ;; libperlio-via-symlink-perl ;; libperlmenu-perl. |
| 14:40.34 | jkp | guys - im having trouble getting fb to work with debian |
| 14:40.35 | simon23_afk | I installed prboom/freedoom and it shows a picture like the resolutions doesnt fit.... nothing to recognize! what can i cange to solve this problem ?? |
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| 14:40.52 | jkp | i have a very basic graphics card (running in a VM) but im told it should be capable |
| 14:40.58 | jkp | other distros can cope |
| 14:41.02 | stew | !bitchx is also if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern (BitchX|BX) QUITS" |
| 14:41.02 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 14:41.06 | stew | :) |
| 14:41.19 | jkp | any clues as to what to do? im looking at downloading the kernel sources now to compile a custom kernel |
| 14:42.01 | stew | jkp: if you are running a debian kernel, the fb support should already be compiled in |
| 14:42.10 | jkp | its compiled in modular |
| 14:42.30 | stew | jkp: from a VT try running "hwinfo --framebuffer" and see if any intreresting modes get spit out |
| 14:42.32 | jkp | ive seen tell that you should compile them in direcrtly |
| 14:42.45 | jkp | stew i dont have hwinfo |
| 14:42.49 | jkp | what package provides it? |
| 14:43.00 | jkp | i installed from the ftp installer so my system is pretty bare bones |
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| 14:43.01 | stew | jkp: "hwinfo" |
| 14:43.11 | jkp | stew ehe |
| 14:43.13 | jkp | heh |
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| 14:46.26 | jkp | stew: i see nothing from that command |
| 14:46.38 | Zinkeldonk | Anyone here use afbackup? |
| 14:46.41 | siliv | hi again :p somebody can help me with mail aliases ? I mean, I created a login such as som-mylogin, but I would like its email address to be : my.login@mydomain.fr, and not som-mylogin@mydomain.fr, so I guess I have to play with aliases, but I'm unsure what to put in alias file. Thanks |
| 14:46.42 | stew | jkp: you ran it from a vt, not from x, right? |
| 14:46.47 | sjau | can someone help me with setting up of a secondary nameserver? I have a few things to ask.... |
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| 14:46.50 | jkp | stew: yup |
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| 14:47.34 | Zinkeldonk | I've installed it and can't seem to get the cryptkey to be used |
| 14:47.44 | stew | jkp: what video card do you have? |
| 14:47.52 | jkp | stew |
| 14:47.55 | Kernel-Kris | can someone tell me how to forward email in postfix from any user at domain 1 to any user at domain 2 |
| 14:48.04 | jkp | its aVM so it says generic VGA |
| 14:48.17 | jkp | but ive seen tell of other folks getting it to work with other distros |
| 14:48.17 | sussudio | !postfix |
| 14:48.17 | dpkg | i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 14:48.36 | jkp | stew: http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=1405&highlight=framebuffer |
| 14:48.36 | Kernel-Kris | sussudio: thanks |
| 14:48.37 | stew | jkp: what does "lspci -n | grep 0300:" return? |
| 14:49.12 | jkp | 0000:00:02.0 03 |
| 14:49.13 | stew | Kernel-Kris: add an entry to the "virtual" map |
| 14:49.17 | jkp | oops |
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| 14:49.34 | jkp | 0000:00:02.0 0300: aaaa:1121 |
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| 14:50.05 | stew | aaaa? what the heck is that? |
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| 14:52.10 | stew | jkp: did you try adding a vga= to the kernel command line? |
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| 14:52.21 | jkp | stew: no, not yet |
| 14:52.21 | backblue | hi, how do i exclude a package from apt-get upgrade command? |
| 14:52.31 | stew | jkp: oh, you should |
| 14:52.48 | stew | jkp: also maybe try "modprobe vga16fb" and rerun hwinfo --framebuffer |
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| 14:53.16 | jkp | ahhh |
| 14:53.19 | jkp | interesting |
| 14:53.22 | jkp | i get output now |
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| 14:53.56 | stew | jkp: pick a mode from there, perhaps and add something like "vga=0x305" to the kernel command line |
| 14:54.03 | Zinkeldonk | Have a bunch of clients using afbackup compiled from source that use a cryptkey compiled in using cryptkey.h |
| 14:54.10 | jkp | ok, do i not need to add that module to /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 14:54.29 | simon23 | anyone in here can run prboom ? |
| 14:54.32 | RvGaTe | yesterday, i talked to a guy who never heard of LINUX before... he seriously thought there was only "windows"... moron... so i showed him screenshots and told him about the security, he was kinda impressed, but just not anough... then i told him "everything is free", i left the room becouse he didn't say anything anymore, lol |
| 14:54.37 | lunitik | jkp: thats the easiest way to not have to modprobe every reboot... yes |
| 14:54.59 | jkp | isnt it going to need that anyway for the kernel line to work? |
| 14:55.08 | stew | jkp: modules.conf won't help here, you are going to attempt to load this module way before your root partition is mounted anyway |
| 14:55.17 | stew | jkp: you might need to make sure that it ends up in your initrd |
| 14:55.36 | jkp | ok...you'll have to talk me through that |
| 14:55.41 | stew | jkp: but your initrd creator should be smart enough to do that for you |
| 14:55.45 | stew | jkp: first, just try it |
| 14:55.51 | jkp | kk |
| 14:56.05 | lunitik | stew: /etc/modules is loaded pretty early in the boot process already... still too late? |
| 14:56.53 | jkp | thats working by the looks of it |
| 14:57.15 | stew | lunitik: afaik yes. this would be before / was mounted |
| 14:58.01 | jkp | ok |
| 14:58.01 | jkp | i got a higher res |
| 14:58.01 | stew | lunitik: /etc/modules would be appropriate if you were doing something with /etc/console-tools (which i've never figured out) |
| 14:58.01 | jkp | but the framebuffer module isnt loaded i dont think |
| 14:58.12 | jkp | hwinfo --framebuffer doesnt report any mdoes |
| 14:58.13 | stew | jkp: "lsmod | grep fb" |
| 14:58.30 | jkp | hmmm |
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| 14:58.36 | jkp | vesafb is loaded |
| 14:58.41 | stew | there you go |
| 14:58.47 | jkp | w000t |
| 14:58.49 | jkp | it works now |
| 14:58.56 | jkp | i ran my test app and it did what it should |
| 14:58.58 | jkp | great! |
| 14:59.06 | jkp | stupid folks in ##linux |
| 14:59.12 | jkp | "get a new distro" |
| 14:59.15 | backblue | how do i exclude a package from apt-get upgrade command? |
| 14:59.15 | stew | hah |
| 14:59.19 | jkp | no - i like debian |
| 14:59.21 | stew | backblue: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:59.21 | jkp | ffs |
| 14:59.28 | jkp | stew: thanks for that |
| 14:59.41 | stew | that would be silly. debian can run a kernel from another distro if that was really going to make a difference |
| 14:59.52 | stew | jkp: you're welcome |
| 15:00.02 | lunitik | jkp: people that can't use Debian hate it... people that can generally love it... there's very little in between :P |
| 15:00.13 | jkp | im new to it |
| 15:00.19 | jkp | but its the most intuitive ive used |
| 15:00.32 | jkp | i far prefer dpkg / apt-get to yum / rpm |
| 15:00.44 | stew | lunitik: except for the based-on-debian crowd, of course |
| 15:00.45 | lunitik | jkp: you don't love it! :P |
| 15:00.56 | Ronin | lunitik: sounds like any other distro :) |
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| 15:01.17 | lunitik | stew: they hate Debian... they just follow crazes ;) |
| 15:01.19 | stew | Ronin: except maybe the BSDs |
| 15:02.02 | lunitik | stew: yeah... not too many people hate BSD's... even if their package management sucks :P |
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| 15:02.50 | jkp | stew: i still cant seem to get dfb to work |
| 15:02.53 | jkp | which is my end game |
| 15:03.12 | stew | jkp: do you get an error? |
| 15:03.17 | jkp | yeah |
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| 15:03.29 | jkp | im using dfbg |
| 15:03.44 | jkp | FBIOGET_CON2FBMAP failed! |
| 15:03.49 | jkp | directfb |
| 15:04.23 | Hohlraum | someone recommend a better lightweight (10 people in the office) proxy to use other than tinyproxy? tinyproxy is just too unreliable. something that comes with sarge would be nice. |
| 15:04.40 | jkp | ah shit |
| 15:04.42 | jkp | http://mail.directfb.org/pipermail/directfb-users/2006-February/001518.html |
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| 15:05.05 | stew | jkp: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:05.11 | abrotman | Hohlraum: i think most use squid |
| 15:05.40 | jkp | 2.6.8-2.686 |
| 15:05.49 | lunitik | Hohlraum: apt-cache search proxy ... read up on some of those that fit your requirements? |
| 15:05.50 | jkp | stew: is there a way to get a newer kernel? |
| 15:05.56 | jkp | (through apt-get) |
| 15:05.59 | jkp | i didnt see one in the tree |
| 15:06.02 | Hohlraum | abrotman: i thought that was more for caching. |
| 15:07.41 | lunitik | abrotman: squid maintainer just decided to use bigger words? |
| 15:07.44 | stew | jkp: /msg dpkg stable 2.6.16 |
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| 15:08.26 | jkp | stew: thanks! |
| 15:08.32 | siliv | what is the syntax to create aliases to an email address with postfix? I would like several aliases for ONE pop account |
| 15:09.01 | backblue | stew: how do i take it out from hold? can i use wildcards? |
| 15:09.05 | abrotman | Hohlraum: i think you can set squid to not cache .. but realisitically .. does it really matter? |
| 15:09.08 | backblue | like kernel* ? |
| 15:09.24 | lunitik | stew: isn't that factoid wrong? says 486 instead of 386... (it is wrong, but I dunno how to correct without remove and recreating factoid) |
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| 15:09.54 | stew | !stable 2.6.16 |
| 15:09.54 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> |
| 15:10.15 | lunitik | backblue: either fire up aptitude (the ncurses interface) ... or /msg dpkg hold will tell you... |
| 15:10.30 | stew | lunitik: oh, no, they don't build -386 kernels anymore only -486, 386s are no longer supported |
| 15:10.37 | blondie | lunitik: it's not wrong |
| 15:10.39 | Hohlraum | abrotman: not really but my webapp developers are going to be using it as well and i dunno if its gunna cause issues with caching changed content. |
| 15:10.40 | harshal_P | hi guys, i was just wondering, is there any way by which & appended for every command that i execute, so it going in backgroup on its own? |
| 15:10.49 | RainbowW | so when i have lots of torrents (like 50 or so) going in ktorrent, and each one has 10-30 files in it, i start getting too many file open errors. an FGI on how to increase the number of file handles pointed to /proc/sys/fs/file-max, but increasing that didn't help, even after a reboot with a script that changed it while still in single-user mode. how can i increase the number of file handles available to the system? |
| 15:10.55 | abrotman | Hohlraum: they could set their code to not allow caching :) |
| 15:10.56 | lunitik | stew: ahh... when did that happen? |
| 15:11.06 | lunitik | stew: wait, thats just for backports? |
| 15:11.09 | stew | backblue: take it off hold the same way that you put it on hold, but use "install" instead of "hold", or "apt-get install packagename" |
| 15:11.17 | Hohlraum | abrotman: i can probably i'm not gunna place requirements on my developers just cuz i wanna use squid :) |
| 15:11.18 | abrotman | Hohlraum: alternately .. apt-cache search http proxy |
| 15:11.22 | harshal_P | i mean background |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | Hohlraum: do eet! |
| 15:11.34 | lunitik | backblue: actually, that factoid doesn't tell you... just 'install' instead of 'hold' |
| 15:11.35 | stew | backblue: you can't use wildcards, you'd have to use something like awk, or soem kind of script |
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| 15:11.55 | backblue | :\ that's bad. |
| 15:12.15 | stew | lunitik: not just backports. don't remember when exactly it changed. sometime around 2.6.12 perhaps? |
| 15:12.16 | backblue | should be something like exclude=kernel* in some apt.conf or something. |
| 15:12.26 | harshal_P | hi guys, i was just wondering, is there any way by which & appended for every command that i execute, so it going in backgroup on its own? |
| 15:12.28 | Hohlraum | abrotman: yeah i did look for more proxy's but they all seem like fill a specific need.. unlike tinyproxy which is just a general proxy. |
| 15:12.38 | harshal_P | i mean background |
| 15:12.46 | stew | backblue: possilby "man apt_preferences" would help |
| 15:12.59 | Serinity | Hi everyone, i have an issue here and i still haven't figured out. That's a multiboot machine debian/windows windows was reinstalled and rewrote on the mbr, so to have grub working again, i booted on the netinstall cd (sarge) and mounted the partition, chroot'ed it, mounted /proc, ran MAKEDEV and ran grub-install /dev/sda but i get the message Warning, /dev/sda does not have any corresponding bios device... the drive is sata. |
| 15:13.00 | Serinity | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.06 | abrotman | Hohlraum: maybe if oyu set the cache size to zero for squid ... |
| 15:13.09 | backblue | stew: does not exists. |
| 15:13.12 | Hohlraum | abrotman: i'll take another look at squid |
| 15:13.16 | abrotman | Hohlraum: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/ConfiguringSquid#head-c1da1b7113875d4bb84170e3de291298cb1be7f3 |
| 15:13.32 | lunitik | stew: ahh... I see in the archive too... weird... I didn't know that... usually throw on linux-image-k7 without even looking around at kernels... |
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| 15:13.35 | stew | backblue: the apt_preferences manpage? |
| 15:13.36 | abrotman | Hohlraum: yay FAQ! |
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| 15:13.42 | backblue | stew: yes. |
| 15:13.47 | backblue | does not exists |
| 15:13.56 | stew | backblue: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:14.02 | spo0nman | is there a way to do HDR on linux? |
| 15:14.07 | stew | !find apt_preferences.5.gz stable |
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| 15:14.16 | abrotman | what is hdr? |
| 15:14.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt_preferences.5.gz' (1): (/usr/share/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz, /usr/share/man/es/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz, /usr/share/man/fr/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz) in base/apt. |
| 15:14.29 | stew | backblue: its in the "apt" package |
| 15:14.35 | stew | backblue: which you MUST have |
| 15:14.40 | Hohlraum | abrotman: didn't ask how to do that with squid. i asked for recommendations (implying people who use alternatives not just throwing out ideas) |
| 15:14.50 | backblue | stew: stable, sarge i think. |
| 15:14.51 | abrotman | Hohlraum: but i found the answer! :) |
| 15:14.54 | backblue | just installed it. |
| 15:14.57 | spo0nman | abrotman: thw image manip stuff. High Dynamic Range |
| 15:15.02 | stew | backblue: then you must have that manpage |
| 15:15.08 | backblue | stew: sorry, wrong shell, my mistake. |
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| 15:15.19 | abrotman | ok .. guess he didn't care |
| 15:15.24 | spo0nman | It's when you take multiple images in various exposure and merge them together |
| 15:15.27 | abrotman | spo0nman: still not helping .. |
| 15:15.29 | abrotman | OH! |
| 15:15.37 | abrotman | spo0nman: stitching images ... |
| 15:15.42 | spo0nman | not stiching. |
| 15:15.57 | spo0nman | merging. most camera software come with it. |
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| 15:15.59 | abrotman | ok .. i'd guess gimp .. but i'm not sure ... |
| 15:16.02 | spo0nman | blend? |
| 15:16.09 | abrotman | spo0nman: if you want to know about gimp .. ask #gimp on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:16.16 | spo0nman | abrotman: I dont think gimp does it. |
| 15:16.27 | spo0nman | will ask anyway |
| 15:16.38 | stew | backblue: though i think it would be way easier to do what you are trying to do with a simple awk script |
| 15:16.45 | backblue | stew: can you give me a hand, configuring /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 15:17.15 | backblue | stew: using awk script in allover the place, it's not so simple as editing one simple file. |
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| 15:17.52 | backblue | and everyone can edit a file, and using a awk script no. i must do the stuff, not thinking on me only. |
| 15:17.54 | spo0nman | abrotman: http://www.flickr.com/photos/feijaomestre/184151235/in/pool-cotc/ look at this pic. |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | spo0nman: ok .. now i'm totally confused :) |
| 15:18.46 | abrotman | spo0nman: layer images? |
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| 15:19.16 | abrotman | spo0nman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging ? |
| 15:19.28 | spo0nman | abrotman: bingo. |
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| 15:20.27 | abrotman | spo0nman: ok .. totally ask #gimp .. i'm not aware of anything .. if they don't know .. ask them if they're aware of anything that does it |
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| 15:20.46 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HDR+gimp&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 15:21.01 | spo0nman | :) |
| 15:21.04 | abrotman | spo0nman: i see hits for cinepaint too |
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| 15:22.59 | ramiroec | who have a SIS 650/740 video card ? |
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| 15:23.49 | eps | ramiroec: I've delt with the 616 chipset |
| 15:24.00 | eps | what is your question, I may be able to help |
| 15:24.23 | ramiroec | eps : how about dri - gl support |
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| 15:25.13 | lunitik | ramiroec: not likely |
| 15:25.30 | lunitik | ramiroec: no harm in trying though I suppose |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | !sis |
| 15:26.38 | dpkg | from memory, sis is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 15:26.39 | eps | the 616 doesn't work at all...though I did read that some of the chipsets around that area did get 3d accel |
| 15:26.41 | ramiroec | i can run google earth fine, maybe a little slow, but without problem |
| 15:26.50 | eps | lol |
| 15:27.06 | eps | sis did release some drivers at one point I think |
| 15:27.14 | my007ms | is there cert for debian |
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| 15:27.55 | ramiroec | eps : really ? |
| 15:27.59 | lunitik | my007ms: just the LCE or whatever... which is general and more focused on RPM (due to LSB) |
| 15:28.17 | lunitik | abrotman: free computer... can't really complain :P |
| 15:29.04 | abrotman | define decent |
| 15:29.25 | lunitik | abrotman: too good for PCI |
| 15:29.33 | shining | there are no decent graphic cards on linux |
| 15:29.55 | lunitik | abrotman: standard AGP and PCI don't make for good graphics cards :/ |
| 15:29.57 | shining | because there are no decent open drivers supporting them |
| 15:30.13 | abrotman | lunitik: what usage do you want .. the older matrox cards are good (not for games) and nvidia i think still makes pci stuff |
| 15:30.18 | Serinity | I found something related to my problem that tells to run grub-install --recheck /dev/sda But it gives me the message /dev/hde6 not found or not a block device.... Anyone ever seen this ? |
| 15:30.20 | eps | http://www.sis.com/download/ and linux is at the bottom of the list, enjoy the pot luck ramiroec |
| 15:30.35 | eps | Serinity: yes |
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| 16:59.36 | jeward | Thanks. |
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| 16:59.58 | lunitik | _boto: is the maintainer of that site a DD? if so, I'd trust it... else I'd feel safer just going with etch propper |
| 17:00.26 | _boto | yeah etch, i will check if it will have gcc 4 ;-) |
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| 17:01.01 | lunitik | cytrak: Pyramid Linux is a Debian deriv? if so... see if they have a channel, or something... else install real Debian and come back |
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| 17:02.00 | lunitik | cytrak: Sounds like its using the old debian-boot installer... so you may want to ensure its even an active distro still |
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| 17:02.56 | lunitik | !info gcc-4.0 etch |
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| 17:03.04 | dpkg | gcc-4.0: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.0.3-3 (etch), Packaged size: 496 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 17:03.09 | lunitik | _boto: ^^ |
| 17:03.23 | _boto | cool |
| 17:03.38 | _boto | i hope they release it soon :-) |
| 17:03.51 | lunitik | _boto: Christmas present, hopefully |
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| 17:06.56 | AV1611 | well, there's nobody here tried to use APT-BUILD? |
| 17:07.49 | lunitik | AV1611: guess not |
| 17:08.08 | AV1611 | well, am i a pioneer? |
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| 17:08.19 | AV1611 | ;) |
| 17:08.31 | lunitik | AV1611: most just use apt-get -b source foo ... or apt-get source ... |
| 17:08.55 | lunitik | AV1611: even apt-cache show apt-build says its an apt-get frontend :/ |
| 17:09.35 | lunitik | (as apposed to an apt frontend... which would mean it might offer something different) |
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| 17:10.35 | MrNaz | any news on the debian gluck intrusion this morning? |
| 17:10.44 | AV1611 | ok....there was a very promising feature of the WORLD recompiling, and I guessed it (apt-build) would be a hit $) |
| 17:10.49 | AV1611 | ;) |
| 17:10.53 | _boto2 | b |
| 17:11.09 | AV1611 | amongst the source-distro fans |
| 17:11.11 | AV1611 | ... |
| 17:11.27 | lunitik | AV1611: apt-src is more aimed at the source-distro fan boys |
| 17:12.09 | james_null | hello everybody, how am i supposed to use files in a bin cd image without burning it, as with daemon on windows |
| 17:12.14 | AV1611 | can you do the world recompil. with apt-src? |
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| 17:12.41 | lunitik | AV1611: yes |
| 17:12.49 | Nei_ | hi, using the debian installer/ want to install etch, the partitioner fails |
| 17:12.55 | Nei_ | is there any way to get around this step? |
| 17:13.12 | stew | james_null: "mount -o loop /path/to/image /mountpoint" |
| 17:13.17 | AV1611 | actually, I'm not a world-rebuilder, however, but the thing of it: I cant even make a build of ANY single app with it.... |
| 17:13.29 | lunitik | AV1611: apt-src == apt-get for people that like wasting CPU cycles |
| 17:13.29 | stew | james_null: assiming its a iso9660 image. file /path/to/image will tell you |
| 17:13.43 | AV1611 | lunitik: how you do it? |
| 17:13.55 | stew | !apt-gentoo |
| 17:13.55 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02502.html |
| 17:13.57 | james_null | thank you stew :) |
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| 17:14.10 | Nei_ | rofl |
| 17:14.21 | lunitik | stew: hahaha |
| 17:14.25 | AV1611 | is it availiable at sarge? |
| 17:14.33 | jelly | how is this possible: Build-Depends for gnat-4.0 in etch has ... gnat-4.0 |
| 17:14.40 | AV1611 | apt-gentoo.... |
| 17:14.49 | AV1611 | I never hear of that... |
| 17:14.52 | stew | AV1611: it was an april fools joke |
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| 17:15.00 | stew | Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:06:48 +0100 |
| 17:15.09 | AV1611 | hehe |
| 17:15.24 | AV1611 | thanx! |
| 17:15.29 | Nei_ | does anyone know how to skip the partitioning step? |
| 17:15.50 | lunitik | stew: apt-src is really Debian folks attempt at portage though... so its apt-gentoo without the joke part... |
| 17:16.16 | jkp | stew: know anything about passing args to the vesafb driver? |
| 17:16.46 | jkp | im having trouble getting it to work - acorrding to all all docs i add an extra param to the kernel line in f=gru |
| 17:16.48 | jkp | *grb |
| 17:16.51 | jkp | *grub! |
| 17:17.09 | jkp | have done so but its not working as it should, i have a capable setup according to what i read |
| 17:17.11 | shining | I wish it was easier to customize/patch/upgrade a debian package though |
| 17:17.29 | Nei_ | whats so difficult about customising a debian package? |
| 17:17.33 | _boto | thank you very much guys |
| 17:17.44 | _boto | i will wait for etch release then |
| 17:17.55 | _boto | btw: i have read etch will have gcc 4.1.0 ;-) |
| 17:18.07 | cahoot | Nei_: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 17:18.11 | Nei_ | isnt it just apt-source, then dpkg-buildpackage, done? |
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| 17:18.18 | james_null | stew: i can't mount it, file /path/to/file outputs : cfe-lccssd1.bin: data |
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| 17:18.34 | lunitik | _boto: etch isn't frozen yet... so anything in Sid is a candidate still, if they can fix all critical bugs before release |
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| 17:18.52 | _boto | yeah |
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| 17:19.06 | _boto | i am looking forward to use etch soon ;-) |
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| 17:19.18 | stoned | What is the release date? December, January? |
| 17:19.19 | Nei_ | that instruction certainy looks complicated |
| 17:19.23 | lunitik | _boto: does December count as soon? |
| 17:19.25 | stoned | Sometime soon I hope |
| 17:19.39 | stoned | I knew it was the end of 2006 |
| 17:19.42 | appelza | 2010 |
| 17:19.45 | shining | Nei_: which? |
| 17:19.46 | stoned | hell no! |
| 17:20.00 | Nei_ | the one cahoot linked |
| 17:20.17 | lunitik | appelza: oh shush, we'll be at atleast 3.3 by then :P |
| 17:20.20 | Nei_ | but customising debian packages hs always been a towliner in my mind |
| 17:20.30 | appelza | sure... ;p |
| 17:20.32 | shining | how do you do? |
| 17:20.44 | jetscreamer | it will be ready by 2010 |
| 17:21.10 | stew | james_null: how was that image created? its its not iso9660 you are not likely to be able to mount it |
| 17:21.24 | appelza | anyone built a debian package yet? |
| 17:21.37 | appelza | I know here used to be a #debian-builders channel...somewhere..anyone know :P |
| 17:21.45 | stew | lunitik: did the RM make that descision? that it would be called 4.0? |
| 17:21.46 | james_null | stew: it is a bin file with a cue file |
| 17:21.53 | shining | Nei_: what are the two lines? |
| 17:22.12 | stew | james_null: you cannot mount that. it isn't a filesystem. did you create it yourself? |
| 17:22.17 | _boto | lunitik, i have no chance. i have to wait. until december i have to maintain my own server at home :-( |
| 17:22.20 | Nei_ | shining, apt-get source package, modify it to your hearts content, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 17:22.35 | lunitik | stew: note I said "thinks"... I have no idea really... but it seems to constitute such a version jump... then debian-installer inclusion didn't constitute it, so who knows |
| 17:22.53 | stew | oh, i missed thinks |
| 17:23.01 | _boto | btw: the application is VRC (http://yag2002.sf.net). there is also an older release of VRC which runs on debian sarge ;-) |
| 17:23.49 | stew | jkp: i don't know |
| 17:23.58 | jkp | no probs :) |
| 17:24.10 | lunitik | _boto: I'm sure, for your home network, etch today would be fine... things in Sid have to have few enough bugs on them to get uploaded to testing... testing gets security updates too |
| 17:24.47 | _boto | yeah |
| 17:24.54 | stew | jkp: though i'd think there would be a way to pass them on the kernel command line as well. normally that could be done be /etc/modules or /etc/modutils, however i believe vesafb is getting loaded too early for that (but i'm not really sure about any of this) |
| 17:24.57 | _boto | brb |
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| 17:25.22 | jkp | you are supposed to be able to pass in using video=vesafb:foo |
| 17:25.29 | jkp | doesnt seem to work for me though |
| 17:25.43 | james_null | stew: i bought it on the net, it is mountable on windows using daemon, it contains videos |
| 17:26.24 | stew | jkp: try just video=vesa:foo |
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| 17:26.35 | jkp | maybe |
| 17:26.47 | jkp | there is conflicting infoi |
| 17:26.53 | jkp | the latest docs say vesafb |
| 17:27.01 | jkp | lots of stuff on the web says vesa |
| 17:27.14 | lunitik | Did he ever mention what the program was? |
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| 17:28.42 | jelly | lunitik: yes, http://yag2002.sf.net |
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| 17:29.53 | jelly | lunitik: Mr. Banana (see screenshots) doesn't like gcc3. |
| 17:30.12 | jelly | lunitik: that's my guess. |
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| 17:30.52 | Nei_ | does someone happen to know how much space a default install needs? |
| 17:31.06 | zinx | depends on what you install by default. |
| 17:31.09 | Ronin | Nei_: depends what you select |
| 17:31.13 | zinx | debian doesn't really have a default install... |
| 17:31.24 | Nei_ | well the install that I get when I flick through debinstaller |
| 17:31.34 | Nei_ | (and not select destop environment) |
| 17:31.36 | AV1611 | ~1.6 gb with the default desktop env-t |
| 17:31.59 | lunitik | Nei_: depends if you select "Desktop" "Development" "Web Server" or "Manual Selection" |
| 17:32.01 | stew | Nei_: 400 megs or so |
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| 17:32.13 | AV1611 | 300mb min (without x, etc) |
| 17:32.14 | stew | Nei_: iirc. it might be closer to 500 now |
| 17:32.23 | AV1611 | sarge is |
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| 17:32.31 | Nei_ | is there even manual selection with default (high?) priority |
| 17:32.36 | stew | AV1611: i think the ig says 450 |
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| 17:32.53 | Nei_ | mhm well thanks for your info :) |
| 17:33.16 | lunitik | Nei_: during installation... the package selection stage has "Manual Selection"... which fires up aptitude's ncurses interface... |
| 17:33.22 | AV1611 | no, I noticed it to be at the same level as something like crux |
| 17:33.35 | lunitik | Nei_: you can't select debconf priority during install afaik |
| 17:33.40 | AV1611 | I never tried it, but it boasts of its minimalistic aproach |
| 17:33.46 | stew | Nei_: oh i was wrong, it looks like 400 should be able to include X: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 17:33.58 | AV1611 | approach, but debian isn;'t more huge |
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| 17:34.57 | lunitik | AV1611: you like discussing other distro's ... hah |
| 17:35.05 | freecraft | guys, I have emergency situation here ! |
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| 17:35.16 | lunitik | freecraft: oh noes! |
| 17:35.27 | fdsd | hey guys, How do I add ivtv support in ubuntu? |
| 17:35.31 | freecraft | I've run dpkg -i on some package, and now the whole apt is screwed !!! |
| 17:35.33 | stew | fdsd: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:35.40 | freecraft | lunitik: ;) |
| 17:35.41 | AV1611 | no, I''m only a reader of those discussion (mostly).... |
| 17:35.46 | lunitik | freecraft: apt-get -f install |
| 17:36.26 | lunitik | freecraft: apt probably told you to run that......... |
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| 17:36.49 | freecraft | lunitik: are you sure? i mean, apt-get sayes something like "package lmodem needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find the package..." |
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| 17:37.14 | freecraft | and the worst thing is - when I open synaptic - the package list is empty! |
| 17:37.17 | AV1611 | by the way, does anybody know how to handle with OpenTypeFonts at Gnome? |
| 17:37.39 | freecraft | I don't want to install the package, I just want to remove that error (and package) |
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| 17:38.02 | freecraft | perhaps apt-get -f remove could work??? |
| 17:38.03 | AV1611 | the issue is this: these fonts are not recognized without installing libotf0, libotf-bin, libotf-dev and a bunch of the other packages.... |
| 17:38.08 | lunitik | freecraft: dpkg -P lmodem ? returns errors? |
| 17:38.17 | freecraft | (btw since my modem isn't working, I'm forced to live with winblows :P :P :P) |
| 17:38.34 | jkp | if i want to recompile the kernel from sources installed via apt-get will there be a config there already for me |
| 17:38.35 | jkp | ? |
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| 17:38.47 | lunitik | freecraft: 'pppconfig' to get modem working... plus a dialer... |
| 17:39.02 | AV1611 | after you installed them, you can work with the corresponding ODT documents at OOO - at KDE< but as soon as you swith to Gnome, you got the same old story... |
| 17:39.27 | lunitik | jkp: no... but you can use /boot/config-* |
| 17:39.31 | AV1611 | dos anybody hete have some experience of handling of those fonts??? |
| 17:39.50 | AV1611 | does anybody here have some experience of handling of those fonts?? |
| 17:39.56 | jkp | lunitik: then make oldconfig, make menuconfig |
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| 17:40.19 | lunitik | jkp: you don't need to use both... either oldconfig or menuconfig |
| 17:40.33 | jkp | kk |
| 17:40.50 | lunitik | AV1611: make sure they are installed to /usr/share/fonts |
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| 17:41.01 | lunitik | AV1611: Gnome should then be able to use them |
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| 17:41.14 | lunitik | AV1611: dpkg -L whateverpackageyouinstalledcontainingfonts |
| 17:41.15 | james_null | stew: i was supposed to conveert it using bchunk programmm :) |
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| 17:42.50 | nekromaan | good evening, is there a possibility to install 32bit debs on a amd64 version? |
| 17:43.17 | AV1611 | these fonts are very odd ones....I tried to do that before by manula copying to that dir, and running fc-cache after that....it doesn;t help |
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| 17:43.48 | AV1611 | liveman: yes, that what I'm working at at this monute |
| 17:44.06 | lunitik | nekromaan: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
| 17:44.09 | AV1611 | deb3.1r2 i386 at amd3,5 |
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| 17:45.56 | nekromaan | lunitik: ah super, and how does it work for example with the w32codecs to watch movies? |
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| 17:46.45 | AV1611 | dpkg -L whateverpackageyouinstalledcontainingfonts - can you explain it, please.... |
| 17:46.45 | dpkg | ii whateverpackageyouinstalledcontainingfonts - can you explain it, please.... 2.9-14.2 av1611's private stamp collection |
| 17:46.47 | lunitik | nekromaan: says "mostly transparent to the user" |
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| 17:46.55 | AV1611 | dpkg -L|--listfiles <package-name> ... list files `owned' by package(s) |
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| 17:47.19 | AV1611 | that's not the matter to list files owned by some package.... |
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| 17:47.53 | onweald_tim | I need a suggestion for an ftp client. For security purposes, what I want is upload only capability. Any suggestions? |
| 17:47.58 | AV1611 | it's only a possibility to add an OpenTy[peFont to OpenOffice Writer fonts list |
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| 17:48.03 | peterS | AV1611: art thou verily affiliated with av1611.org? |
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| 17:48.20 | AV1611 | that;'s the only obstacle that kept me from full switching to linux.... |
| 17:48.47 | AV1611 | and that;'s the reason i studied hard about the distro features.... |
| 17:49.02 | AV1611 | i had been studying hard about this.... |
| 17:49.02 | lunitik | AV1611: OpenType fonts need to be placed in /usr/share/fonts ... dpkg -L fontpackage will show whether this is where the package put them |
| 17:49.49 | AV1611 | but thwe font itself is just 3 simple fonts: Normal, Italic and Bold.... |
| 17:49.59 | nekromaan | lunitik: do you use that chroot 32bit env? |
| 17:50.03 | AV1611 | there's no 'package' |
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| 17:50.12 | stoned | freecraft, away/back is bad, turn it off |
| 17:50.20 | cusco | anybody having problems with etch's gnome-panel? |
| 17:50.23 | lunitik | nekromaan: no... |
| 17:50.42 | lunitik | cusco: known issue, check bts |
| 17:50.51 | AV1611 | peterS: no, I'm just an AV1611 Bible fan. |
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| 17:50.53 | jetscreamer | yes, anyone was just in here 5 minutes ago bitching that it didn't work |
| 17:50.54 | freecraft | stoned: have no idea how -_- |
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| 17:51.10 | jetscreamer | he's a really cool dude |
| 17:51.20 | nekromaan | lunitik: a h ok, cause i want to know how peeving or easy it is to use that ;) |
| 17:51.22 | lunitik | jetscreamer: huh? |
| 17:51.35 | stoned | freecraft, basically stop advertsing when you come and go, mostly becuase no one cares, and I'm not trying to be a dick to you, its not even a big deal, just don't do it |
| 17:51.37 | peterS | AV1611: ah, that's cool. yeah I know what the term 'av1611' represents (: |
| 17:51.38 | jetscreamer | try /lastlog anyone |
| 17:51.54 | stoned | jetscreamer, lol |
| 17:52.27 | lunitik | nekromaan: should be possible... its most frequent use is for things like java, flash, and codecs, so I'd imagine its pretty proficiant with this... simple google searches should tell you more about each situation |
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| 17:54.34 | lunitik | jetscreamer: where do I recognize you from? another #fedora refugee? |
| 17:54.39 | nekromaan | lunitik: ah ok thx :) .. hmpf i think i will take the 32bit version ;) so i do not have fears that some programms wont work :/ |
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| 17:55.22 | jetscreamer | lunitik: [12.51.54] <cusco> anybody having problems with etch's gnome-panel? |
| 17:55.55 | Bitz | how do i allow only users to access only a certian directory? |
| 17:56.32 | DocOC | Bitz: be a little more specific. |
| 17:56.37 | lunitik | Bitz: chgrp users /some/dir ... and add said users to 'users' group? |
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| 17:56.48 | jetscreamer | lunitik: not sure... your nick is familiar also though |
| 17:57.03 | stoned | jetscreamer, thats what you said about me |
| 17:57.04 | jetscreamer | not #fedora though |
| 17:57.11 | lunitik | jetscreamer: other than in here I mean... :P |
| 17:57.13 | stoned | jetscreamer, everyonne's nick looks familiar to you |
| 17:57.15 | jetscreamer | no i said i remember you explicitly |
| 17:57.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:57.22 | stoned | hehe |
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| 17:57.26 | stoned | its all good bro |
| 17:57.32 | stoned | i'm just pulling your chian |
| 17:57.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: do you remember me?! |
| 17:58.08 | jetscreamer | i am your father abrotman |
| 17:58.14 | Bitz | DocOC: i have some iso in a directory call /iso and i want a user to only have access to /iso for scping but not whereelse. |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | and a bad one at that |
| 17:58.17 | DocOC | stoned: your nick looks familiar to everyone... now where did I put that burrito? |
| 17:58.18 | jetscreamer | come over to the dark side |
| 17:58.45 | jetscreamer | lunitik: #morphix #kanotix or #linux i 'think' |
| 17:58.55 | abrotman | maybe #freenode? |
| 17:58.58 | stoned | lol |
| 17:59.03 | stoned | hey Mr. brotman |
| 17:59.05 | stoned | I got that job at dell |
| 17:59.07 | hunterp | is there a way in strace to see which file write(16 is actually going to |
| 17:59.16 | abrotman | stoned: this is good ? |
| 17:59.22 | stoned | they called me back this morning to officially extend me the offer |
| 17:59.24 | stoned | yeh it is |
| 17:59.31 | stoned | it means a stable pay check while I try and graduate |
| 17:59.37 | stoned | more money to buy better weed |
| 17:59.41 | stoned | always a good thing |
| 17:59.52 | DocOC | Bitz: ok, I'm having a little trouble understanding your syntax, I assume english is your second language, so we'll take it slow - you want one specific user to only be able to access /iso, nothing else, not even their own home directory? |
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| 18:00.15 | Ronin | you can have mine if you like lunitik |
| 18:00.23 | lunitik | Ronin: what do you do? |
| 18:00.29 | abrotman | windows |
| 18:00.30 | Ferret | what's the botinfo for the lspci->modules.pcimap for 401? |
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| 18:00.37 | abrotman | it's like sand in the crotch ... |
| 18:00.38 | Ferret | something like !module 401 |
| 18:00.39 | Ronin | what abrotman said |
| 18:00.57 | Ronin | lunitik: tech support for a govt deptartment |
| 18:01.08 | stoned | boxen |
| 18:01.13 | lunitik | Ronin: I can't work for the govt though |
| 18:01.16 | stoned | thats just funny, reminds me of oxen |
| 18:01.20 | stoned | big ol' cows |
| 18:01.27 | abrotman | lunitik: it's also the gov't of another country :) |
| 18:01.46 | stew | !which module for 0401 |
| 18:01.46 | dpkg | to find which modules supports 0401, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/0401/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 18:01.51 | lunitik | abrotman: I can't work for the US govt, and I can't leave the country... grrr |
| 18:01.52 | stew | Ferret: ^^ |
| 18:01.52 | Ronin | abrotman: well there is that too |
| 18:02.04 | abrotman | lunitik: that's because you suck ... :) |
| 18:02.05 | Ronin | cant leave the country? oh this sounds like a good story |
| 18:02.15 | jetscreamer | lunitik: get a pardon |
| 18:02.15 | stew | Ferret: however recently there have been audio controllers popping up as 0402 and as 0680 |
| 18:02.22 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 18:02.31 | Ferret | stew: ta |
| 18:02.35 | lunitik | abrotman: almost done with probation.... so might as well get it over and done with now :/ |
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| 18:02.59 | Ferret | stew: what about Ethernet Controller? |
| 18:03.04 | stoned | probation |
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| 18:03.06 | stoned | damn dude |
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| 18:03.17 | Ferret | stew: always 200? |
| 18:03.18 | stew | Ferret: 0200 |
| 18:03.20 | stoned | I've never been in trouble with the authorities, except high school |
| 18:03.22 | stew | Ferret: afaik |
| 18:03.27 | vrt | join #knoppix |
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| 18:03.58 | stoned | man I can't afford a felony or anything, not evne a us citizen yet |
| 18:03.59 | peterS | Ferret: you can find out for yourself by reading the lines at the bottom of /usr/share/misc/pci.ids that start with "C ". that's where you find out what 0401 and 0200 mean. |
| 18:04.12 | abrotman | stoned: and if i have my way .. you never will be!!!! |
| 18:04.30 | stoned | hey, my country is helping you to catch terrorists, I should get some leverage |
| 18:04.31 | stoned | :D |
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| 18:04.51 | lunitik | stoned: neither am I... legal alien though, drugs charges aren't sever enough for certain deportation... you have to really fuck up for that |
| 18:05.04 | lunitik | severe* |
| 18:05.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:05.18 | stoned | only two things can get you deported. Treason *spying against the US*, and drug trafficking |
| 18:05.23 | abrotman | stoned: odd .. they still haven't captured you :) |
| 18:05.25 | jetscreamer | don't get me started on us immigration laws |
| 18:05.27 | stoned | lol |
| 18:05.34 | stoned | abrotman, i hate you |
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| 18:05.42 | lunitik | My terms of probation do however have a deportation clause... |
| 18:05.42 | abrotman | !hug stoned |
| 18:05.52 | stoned | haha |
| 18:05.54 | stoned | word |
| 18:05.55 | hister | hi |
| 18:05.57 | stoned | hi |
| 18:06.30 | hister | has anyone an idea how to provoke/simulate an kernel panic? reason is a grub fallback-test |
| 18:06.38 | lunitik | stoned: where do you hail from? England here... |
| 18:06.54 | abrotman | turn off swap and use it all ? |
| 18:06.55 | stoned | lunitik, my mom is from jordan, my dad is fromt scotland, I was born in pakistan |
| 18:07.01 | stoned | my grandparents are pakistani |
| 18:07.03 | abrotman | you're fucked :) |
| 18:07.18 | jetscreamer | hister: iirc there is a kernel module like that? |
| 18:07.19 | hister | SysRq isn't in debian standard kernel i read |
| 18:07.37 | jetscreamer | you 'may' have to recompile |
| 18:07.41 | lunitik | stoned: ahh... Persian with a strong alcohol tolerance... and red hair... sounds confusing |
| 18:07.51 | DocOC | hister: you could compile a kernel that doesn't have support for your ide or scsi controller ond place it as an alternate kernel for bootup in your grub configuration. |
| 18:07.54 | peterS | hister: grep SYSRQ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:08.36 | hister | mom |
| 18:09.04 | peterS | lunitik: persian? |
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| 18:09.15 | jetscreamer | persian==iranian |
| 18:09.32 | peterS | jetscreamer: I know. where was Iran mentioned? |
| 18:09.34 | stoned | well, mesopotamian really |
| 18:09.42 | stoned | iran/iraq didn't exist then |
| 18:09.45 | lunitik | peterS: Jordan counts as Persian |
| 18:09.45 | stoned | persians did |
| 18:09.50 | stoned | I am persian however |
| 18:09.52 | peterS | lunitik: $(foo) lets you nest two such inside each other. `` makes this very difficult. |
| 18:09.55 | stoned | persian and scot. |
| 18:09.56 | hister | Oh there is support for SysRq |
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| 18:10.01 | hister | but |
| 18:10.04 | peterS | lunitik: that's one important difference |
| 18:10.14 | hister | "echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq" |
| 18:10.21 | hister | "echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger" |
| 18:10.32 | hister | aren't working |
| 18:10.33 | lunitik | jetscreamer: Iranian == Persian ... Persian != Iranian |
| 18:11.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:13.45 | lunitik | jetscreamer: although, according to Wikipedia, Persia == old Iranian empire... but it constitutes most Arab countries now... |
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| 18:15.31 | hister | when i entered "echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger" shell shows: "SysRq: HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot tErm klll saK showMem poweroff swPc unRaw Sync showtasks Unmount" |
| 18:15.43 | Avance | hello, is it possible to limit the download speed of apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 18:18.12 | lunitik | Avance: doesn't appear so via apt directly... |
| 18:18.47 | Bitz | DocOC: english is my sec lang. i was trying to help a friend with this problem, and think he will try some other do get the iso for someone. thanks. |
| 18:19.18 | Avance | lunitik, sorry i do not understand what you mean |
| 18:20.11 | DocOC | Bitz: ok, well sorry I couldn't help. Good luck. |
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| 18:20.42 | jelly | Is there a small (console) bittorrent client with support for DHT (distributed tracker thingy)? |
| 18:20.53 | Avance | lunitik, do you mean there is an indirect possibility to do that, for example configuration of a file? |
| 18:21.05 | Nei_ | jelly, azureus? |
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| 18:21.19 | the_mug | shining: you still around? |
| 18:21.26 | jelly | Nei_: anything that runs in a JVM is not small. |
| 18:21.49 | Nei_ | jelly, well is there anything else that does dht xD? |
| 18:21.52 | jelly | Nei_: I'm trying to get rid of azureus. |
| 18:21.53 | DocOC | jelly-home: try searching on freshmeat.net, and if you find something, search for it using dpkg -l "*nameofapp*" |
| 18:22.12 | lunitik | Avance: I know of nothing that would allow it... but you could sure throttle the connection to your apt repository some how via something else (iptables, proxy, etc maybe?) |
| 18:22.45 | the_mug | or anyone... I installed Debian 3.1 with Software RAID and LVM... works great until I upgrade to kernel 2.6.8-3-686-smp (Dell Poweredge 750 P4) |
| 18:22.52 | lunitik | jelly: just remove it and install some other bittorrent client that doesn't suck? :P |
| 18:23.08 | the_mug | I get a Kernel Panic with 2.6.8 what am I missing? |
| 18:23.23 | Nei_ | jelly, afaik there are two competing dht implementations, and azureus is the only one doing the azureus implementation |
| 18:23.32 | Avance | lunitik, ah ok, do you know how to give one pc less download speed in windows? (i know its no windows-channel) |
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| 18:23.53 | Avance | lunitik, doesnt aptitude or apt-get use wget or something?, cause emerge of gentoo does it ... |
| 18:23.54 | lunitik | the_mug: I doubt that's related to LVM... more likely not a HyperThread CPU |
| 18:24.34 | lunitik | Avance: I don't use Windows... and what Gentoo does is irrelivant... no apt-get doesn't use wget |
| 18:24.36 | jelly | Nei_: oh, great. :-| |
| 18:24.38 | the_mug | lunitik: hmmm I could have sworn it was a p4 hypethread... |
| 18:25.04 | lunitik | the_mug: does the kernel panic tell anything else enlightening? |
| 18:25.10 | shining | the_mug: iirc, I had troubles with raid and lvm too |
| 18:25.18 | Nei_ | there are several others doing the official dht |
| 18:25.24 | shining | atm, I'm just running raid and it works fine |
| 18:25.24 | Avance | lunitik, its a pity, but thx ;) .. i ll try to limit it by windows |
| 18:25.36 | shining | but you could try other kernels |
| 18:25.53 | Nei_ | Avance, buy a program that can limit the speed |
| 18:26.02 | shining | like the default -386 |
| 18:26.11 | Avance | Nei_, for example? ;) |
| 18:26.28 | lunitik | Nei_: iptables can throttle ... why the need for (likely) proprietary crap? |
| 18:26.35 | DocOC | Avance: if you use a linux-box as the router/firewall, iptables can rate-limit. |
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| 18:26.40 | Nei_ | lunitik, because he was asking a windows question |
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| 18:26.50 | the_mug | lunitik: shining: it is a P4 Hypethread... let me boot back into it to give you more info |
| 18:26.53 | lunitik | Nei_: he really wasn't though |
| 18:26.54 | Nei_ | I'd recommend switching to linux as well |
| 18:27.11 | lunitik | Nei_: he just thinks Windows can do such things :/ |
| 18:27.19 | Avance | DocOC, nope i have only a simple multiport hub :/ |
| 18:27.28 | Nei_ | with the software it can ;0 |
| 18:27.49 | DocOC | Avance: so? do you have a linux box anywhere on your network? |
| 18:27.53 | the_mug | shining: it works great on the 2.4 kernel tho |
| 18:28.15 | Nei_ | DocOC, a linux box wont be able to target windows processes though |
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| 18:28.28 | macli | Hi, I could not find a working debian archive mirror here in canada, tried ftp.us.debian.org, ftp.debian.org. none of them work |
| 18:28.32 | simplenickguy | what debian package contains rexec ? |
| 18:28.36 | lunitik | Nei_: meh... he just needs to configure iptables correctly... I directed him in that direction, but as I said, I don't know the syntax for an iptables rule that will throttle a connection |
| 18:28.59 | peterS | simplenickguy: is that even shipped in debian these days? hmm. |
| 18:29.01 | DocOC | Nei_: he wants to rate-limit specific windows programs? not the whole windows box? |
| 18:29.09 | macli | I am installing debian from floppy disk |
| 18:29.22 | Nei_ | DocOC, thats what I understood anyway |
| 18:29.28 | the_mug | lunitik: shining: it says: md1 stopped.. mdadm: cannot open device /dev/hdc2: No such device or address |
| 18:29.32 | lunitik | macli: its likely the floppy just doesn't have your NIC driver... |
| 18:29.40 | simplenickguy | peterS: prolly not, i tried compiling from source, but ti freaks out saying rexec_ssl.c: In function `rexec_ssl_cli_init': |
| 18:29.41 | simplenickguy | rexec_ssl.c:61: error: syntax error before ';' token |
| 18:29.41 | simplenickguy | rexec_ssl.c:75: warning: implicit declaration of function `strlen' |
| 18:29.41 | simplenickguy | rexec_ssl.c: In function `rexec_ssl_svr_init': |
| 18:29.41 | simplenickguy | rexec_ssl.c:113: error: syntax error before ';' token |
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| 18:29.46 | Nei_ | macli, your network doesnt work ;) |
| 18:29.46 | DocOC | Nei_: still can do it with iptables as long as he knows what port the specific windows program uses... |
| 18:29.47 | lunitik | macli: you don't have a cd burner? |
| 18:30.04 | shining | the_mug: what kind of hard drivers? ide? and which controller? |
| 18:30.05 | Nei_ | DocOC, except some programs are really flexible in that regard |
| 18:30.14 | shining | *drives |
| 18:30.23 | Nei_ | macli, using the cd would be easier ^^ |
| 18:30.27 | macli | no cd burner, just floppy. I already loaded nic driver |
| 18:30.32 | tuv | after upgrading getmail4 from 4.5.4 to 4.6.2, it stopped grabbing my emails off pop server. has anyone seen similar behavior? |
| 18:30.43 | Nei_ | macli, did you rerun the network setup after loading them? |
| 18:30.44 | the_mug | shining: ide /dev/hdc and d |
| 18:30.50 | tuv | i downgraded to 4.5.4 and it's working again! |
| 18:30.54 | Avance | DocOC, i found my program, debian.hr people told me there is a programm name trickle which do this work ;) |
| 18:31.03 | Nei_ | macli, maybe you forgot to set the nameserver |
| 18:31.07 | lunitik | macli: I use mirrors.kernel.org/debian ... its fast... |
| 18:31.19 | tuv | oh ya |
| 18:31.32 | macli | my fault, I have two nic, I pluged the cable into wrong nic. |
| 18:31.54 | DocOC | good to see someone aside from me uses the net-install floppies. |
| 18:32.00 | the_mug | lunitik: shining: it's just puzzling how it would work 100% on one and not the other.. I'm missing a switch somewhere... but where is the question. |
| 18:32.02 | macli | thank you for the clue, lunitik |
| 18:32.03 | Nei_ | macli, well good thing you found out :) |
| 18:32.34 | lunitik | macli: I'd first make sure your network is set up correctly... but yeah... use mirrors.kernel.org when you get it working :) |
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| 18:32.59 | macli | now it is working :) |
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| 18:34.17 | the_mug | lunitik: shining: would it have to do with the fs being reiserfs? |
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| 18:34.37 | lunitik | the_mug: I don't recall your initial question, sorry |
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| 18:35.32 | the_mug | I installed Debian 3.1 with Software RAID and LVM... works great until I upgrade to kernel 2.6.8-3-686-smp (Dell Poweredge 750 P4) |
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| 18:35.53 | the_mug | works great on the 2.4 kernel tho |
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| 18:37.03 | roxy_ | I get a lot of mails from cron complaining about mandb having bad symlink, no file... Is there a command to clean the man pages ? |
| 18:37.10 | cusco | err |
| 18:37.29 | petemc | the_mug: sata? |
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| 18:37.54 | the_mug | petemc: yup |
| 18:38.09 | petemc | the_mug: try using a more recent 2.6 kernel |
| 18:38.10 | lunitik | cusco: what were/are you averaging with ftp.debian.org? could be your connection is just faster? |
| 18:38.42 | the_mug | petemc: like whivh one? I got 2.6.8-3 isn't that the newest? |
| 18:38.51 | the_mug | which* |
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| 18:38.56 | DocOC | the_mug: do you get "cannot mount root filesystem, append a correct "root=" blah, blah, blah"? |
| 18:39.19 | lunitik | !tell the_mug about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 18:39.31 | petemc | the_mug: for stable, probably, try a backported deb or compile your own |
| 18:39.32 | cusco | lunitik: dunno the average.. my connection is fast yes! |
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| 18:39.58 | lunitik | cusco: mine is 5mb cable |
| 18:40.02 | cusco | 10 here |
| 18:40.03 | simplenickguy | guess i got kicked |
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| 18:40.18 | lunitik | !tell simplenickguy about paste |
| 18:40.28 | simplenickguy | whats the best way to run windows cmd remotely from unix machine |
| 18:40.42 | DocOC | the_mug: if you are getting the panic I described above, and your controller is sata, the problem may be that the new kernel sees your drives as scsi instead of ide. try mounting the root on the equivelent scsi device. |
| 18:40.43 | petemc | simplenickguy: rdesktop or vnc |
| 18:40.56 | simplenickguy | petemc: even for a cmd line tool? |
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| 18:41.06 | lunitik | simplenickguy: telnet ... or look into ssh for windows |
| 18:41.14 | the_mug | petemc: I'm new to Debian but have installed Gentoo many times... compile the kernel with make menuconfig? |
| 18:41.19 | petemc | simplenickguy: you could install ssh under cygwin |
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| 18:41.25 | simplenickguy | lunitik: i have ssh server installed on my windows machine, and i can remotely connect |
| 18:41.32 | petemc | the_mug: that would work, if you know what you're at |
| 18:41.36 | simplenickguy | however, i dunno how to run the windows cmd |
| 18:41.52 | foop | is there a debian kernel that fixes CVE-2006-2451? |
| 18:42.08 | lunitik | simplenickguy: should be in the users path... so just type it :/ |
| 18:42.18 | the_mug | DocOC: like in the menu.lst change this? |
| 18:42.24 | simplenickguy | lunitik: can u gimme the syntax? |
| 18:43.05 | lunitik | simplenickguy: umm... the syntax for running a command via ssh? exactly the same as it is from windows cmd.exe :/ |
| 18:43.16 | DocOC | the_mug: well, to begin with, just boot to it, and at your grub or lilo prompt, just write "root=/dev/sda1" before booting. |
| 18:43.50 | the_mug | DocOC: ok |
| 18:43.53 | DocOC | the_mug: assuming that your normal root device is /dev/hda1... |
| 18:44.08 | RainbowW | what's the magic to turning on mod-rewrite in apache2 on etch? |
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| 18:44.50 | the_mug | DocOC: looking at the kernel that works.. (2.4) and the one that doesn't they both have the same root=/dev/md1 <----which is a RAID |
| 18:45.08 | lunitik | simplenickguy: if you're not familiar with DOS ... you should probably do what petemc said ... this will give you the Windows desktop in a window on your X-Window-Manager of choice |
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| 18:45.27 | DocOC | the_mug: ahh, didn't realize you were on a raid device. Not sure that would change at all... |
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| 18:45.54 | simplenickguy | gotcha |
| 18:45.56 | the_mug | petemc: where do I add more backports (stable) and which ones are stable |
| 18:45.57 | the_mug | ? |
| 18:46.30 | petemc | the_mug: i dont use it, but prolly backports.org |
| 18:46.31 | the_mug | DocOC: I think it's more of a Kernel drivers not being included issue more than anything else |
| 18:46.35 | Seb | if i'd like 2 debian boxes to have the same exact set of installed packages, can I simply dpkg --get-selections on one, and use this as the input to dpkg --set-selections on the other ? |
| 18:46.45 | lunitik | the_mug: you can't just set up hardware raid? then Linux would see the RAID as a single disk, makes life easier... then you don't have to keep doing this for every installation... |
| 18:46.49 | Seb | or is it a bit more involved ? |
| 18:46.50 | stew | Seb: /msg dpkg selections |
| 18:46.57 | Darien_ | Question for the panel - I'm running Debian Testing on an AMD64 system, and I need/want to install the management utilities for my system (HP DL385) - I'm going to try to 'alien' the RPMs, but I'm wondering if I should use the RHEL4 or RHEL3 packages they provide |
| 18:47.05 | DocOC | the_mug: I think you are right. Probably best to compile your own kernel in your case. |
| 18:47.11 | Darien_ | which is more likely to work with Debian testing? |
| 18:47.19 | Seb | stew: thanks man |
| 18:47.30 | Seb | stew: i didn't even know about apt-get dselect-upgrade :) |
| 18:47.46 | lunitik | Darien_: Depends... Sarge? Etch? 3 and 4 respectively |
| 18:48.00 | Darien_ | lunitik: whatever the current Testing is |
| 18:48.05 | stew | Seb: i believe you could possibly achieve the same by starting aptitude and just hitting g, but i'm not sure |
| 18:48.09 | the_mug | lunitik: don't have a hardware RAID on this box... trust me... I would have done that A LONG time ago if I had the option... (save everyone lots of time) ;-/ |
| 18:48.10 | lunitik | Darien_: Etch |
| 18:48.14 | Darien_ | lindi-: super, thanks |
| 18:48.30 | Seb | stew: ok. The get/set-selections will do fine, now worries |
| 18:48.39 | lunitik | the_mug: your BIOS doesn't support RAID? |
| 18:49.00 | stew | Seb: i mean the dselect-upgrade could be accomplished with aptitude and hitting g, or maybe just aptitude -f install |
| 18:49.08 | stew | Seb: but that i'm just guessing about |
| 18:49.09 | the_mug | lunitik: what do you mean? do I have a RAID controller? |
| 18:49.16 | RainbowW | what's the magic to turning on mod-rewrite in apache2 on etch? |
| 18:49.21 | Seb | stew: oooh gotcha. Well i'm not using aptiture so deslect-upgrade will do fine :) |
| 18:49.25 | Seb | aptitude even |
| 18:49.26 | aptitude | odd |
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| 18:49.59 | lunitik | the_mug: my BIOS allows me to set up RAID if I want... I don't have a RAID controller... Phoenix BIOS |
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| 18:50.33 | the_mug | lunitik: not to my knowlegde mine doesn't |
| 18:50.45 | DocOC | lunitik: he has an sata raid, so I assume his situation is the same as yours... |
| 18:50.47 | lunitik | the_mug: did you even check? |
| 18:51.02 | the_mug | lunitik: I am now |
| 18:51.05 | lunitik | DocOC: I don't have SATA |
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| 18:51.47 | DocOC | lunitik: so? sata is a scsi-emulating ide controller. Most likely not a separate raid controller... |
| 18:51.48 | lunitik | DocOC: seems to be adding complexity though trying to set up software RAID... and you have to keep doing it for every install... which is annoying imo |
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| 18:52.22 | jones | dpkg search jpkg |
| 18:52.28 | jones | woops. |
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| 18:53.02 | lunitik | jones: you probably want java-package ? also... there is sun-java5-* now... although only in Sid I think |
| 18:53.07 | trygg | Is it possible to force wine to run a program in windowed mode? |
| 18:53.08 | the_mug | lunitik: sure don't... the same hardware worked on crap Fedora 5... it HAS to work on Debian... no? |
| 18:53.22 | the_mug | same setup.. and all |
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| 18:53.26 | jones | does that supply make-jpkg ? |
| 18:53.42 | lunitik | the_mug: I see no reason why not... likely Fedora just automates it more... |
| 18:53.44 | lunitik | jones: yes |
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| 18:54.13 | the_mug | what do I have to do to get a newer kernel? |
| 18:54.16 | DocOC | the_mug: I just had a thought... what devices do you have listed in your mtab? |
| 18:54.31 | lunitik | the_mug: sarge right? |
| 18:54.42 | jones | lunitik is java-package available on sarge? |
| 18:54.43 | the_mug | lunitik: yup |
| 18:54.47 | the_mug | DocOC: one sec |
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| 18:55.08 | lunitik | You can either try the testing installer ... or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 18:55.21 | lunitik | !search java-package sarge |
| 18:55.36 | lunitik | !info java-package sarge |
| 18:55.39 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 18:55.55 | lunitik | jones: appears so..... |
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| 18:56.26 | lunitik | jones: as it says, its in contrib... make sure your sources.list contains contrib |
| 18:56.26 | jones | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 18:56.34 | jones | ooh |
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| 18:56.52 | shining | trygg: did you try looking in winecfg ? |
| 18:57.07 | lunitik | jones: you probably want to throw non-free on the end of your sources.list too |
| 18:57.19 | shining | trygg: othewise, I think #winehq is more appropriate |
| 18:57.27 | trygg | Thx. :) |
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| 18:58.33 | the_mug | what pasting service do you guys use? |
| 18:58.51 | lunitik | trygg: you probably want Emulate a Virtual Desktop in Graphics section of winecfg |
| 18:59.59 | DocOC | the_mug: just /msg the paste to me. |
| 19:00.00 | lunitik | !tell the_mug about paste |
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| 19:00.55 | lunitik | the_mug: apparently DocOC likes floods... so that works too :P |
| 19:01.55 | DocOC | lunitik: where would I go to read his paste if he uses the paste on that site? |
| 19:02.58 | lunitik | DocOC: he'd give you a link ... |
| 19:03.12 | DocOC | the_mug: ok, well your mtab didn't tell me anything new. Sorry my hunch was wrong... |
| 19:04.07 | shining | trygg: did you try what lunitik said? |
| 19:04.21 | lunitik | DocOC: for instance http://channels.debian.net/paste/3130 |
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| 19:05.02 | DocOC | lunitik: cool. I'm used to debian on efnet, they just use a separate #flood channel. |
| 19:05.55 | lunitik | DocOC: pastebins are more convenient... maybe someone that knows the answer isn't in #flood , but is willing to click a link |
| 19:06.02 | the_mug | lunitik: I get this one line when trying to install 2.6.16: linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 (= 2.6.16-13bpo1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:06.16 | Ferret | peterS: any idea how [eou]hci-hcd and friends handle their manu:prod IDs? I'm writing a little script (mostly for fun) that parses lspci output (which sucks, I know I should use /proc|/sys, but will do for now) and tells you the module name and CONFIG_.* to search for and set in the kernel... but it only seems to work for sound, net, agp, 12c |
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| 19:06.51 | peterS | Ferret: they use a device class rather than vendor/product |
| 19:07.12 | Ferret | peterS: OK, where do I find manu:prod => class mappings? |
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| 19:07.31 | lunitik | the_mug: apt-get install -t sarge-backports linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 <-- why does it say it doesn't want to install that? |
| 19:07.38 | peterS | Ferret: you don't, the class is reported separately. 'lspci -v' shows the USB interface type at the end of the line |
| 19:08.05 | the_mug | nm got it |
| 19:08.21 | the_mug | lunitik: but yeah... that was my problem :-/ |
| 19:08.40 | peterS | Ferret: "device class" is misleading, please forget I said that. note that lspci calls the field in question the 'programming interface' or 'prog-if' |
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| 19:09.31 | Ferret | peterS: I see what you meant by class, I noticed it's the only column in modules.pcimap that has an interesting entry on the ehci-hcd line |
| 19:10.48 | the_mug | lunitik: meaning I had the syntax wrong on my command... it's downloading the stuff now. |
| 19:11.02 | Ferret | peterS: Can't find any obvious way to force lspci to tell me the class number that modules.pcimap uses (for ehci-hcd; 0xc0320) :/ |
| 19:11.11 | Ferret | peterS: May have to do it the proper way |
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| 19:11.22 | lunitik | the_mug: for some reason... linux-image-2.6-$ARCH metapackages seem broken recently... |
| 19:11.45 | peterS | Ferret: lspci -nv, look at the first line of each entry. the last 2 digits of the class are noted in '(prog-if NN)' if NN is not 00 |
| 19:11.57 | simonrvn | hi peterS |
| 19:12.05 | peterS | simonrvn. |
| 19:12.17 | lunitik | the_mug: here... I installed 'linux-image-k7' and it worked fine... linux-image-k7 depends linux-image-2.6-k7 ... but for whatever reason, it doesn't like explicitly installing it |
| 19:12.48 | streuner | the_mug: what version of debian? |
| 19:13.12 | simonrvn | :). how are you today peterS? |
| 19:13.16 | simonrvn | hi streuner |
| 19:13.20 | streuner | lunitik:^^^ |
| 19:13.25 | streuner | hi simonrvn |
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| 19:13.32 | the_mug | streuner: 3.1 |
| 19:13.34 | lunitik | streuner: Sid |
| 19:13.36 | the_mug | r2 |
| 19:13.50 | peterS | Ferret: note, 0x0c0320 is class 0c03 (USB controller) interface type 20 (EHCI) |
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| 19:15.07 | lunitik | streuner: just stating to the_mug that here linux-image-$arch didn't work either... he explicitly installed a kernel version though... I don't think it matters in his case whether he's using a metapackage though |
| 19:15.13 | Ferret | peterS: I have no idea how to map that prog-if (20 or EHCI) onto something that will give me 'ehci-hcd' |
| 19:15.32 | lunitik | streuner: umm... that linux-image-2.6-$arch didn't work either* sorry |
| 19:15.37 | scarface | how can I check wether services (rsh und rexec) are enabled? |
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| 19:15.54 | streuner | lunitik: if you running unstable, dinstall acutally running... |
| 19:15.55 | peterS | Ferret: same way you map anything else, by reading /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap. the 20 is the last 2 digits of the class column |
| 19:16.25 | lunitik | streuner: everything is fine here... no need for assistance ;) |
| 19:16.34 | peterS | Ferret: also, you are reinventing hotplug; you should check out the source for that |
| 19:16.39 | the_mug | streuner: I installed Debian 3.1 with Software RAID and LVM... works great until I upgrade to kernel 2.6.8-3-686-smp (Dell Poweredge 750 P4) |
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| 19:16.55 | Ferret | peterS: Oh, sorry, me being stupid. column 6 is 0x0*...$if |
| 19:16.57 | the_mug | 2.6.16 worked |
| 19:17.21 | peterS | Ferret: yes. column 6 includes both the 4-digit class and the 2-digit prog-if. |
| 19:17.26 | dareth | so what happened to gluck? |
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| 19:17.37 | Ronin | dareth: comprmised |
| 19:17.40 | streuner | dareth: read d-d-a |
| 19:17.47 | shining | god knows what |
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| 19:18.06 | streuner | http://tinyurl.com/ks7x2 |
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| 19:18.13 | Ferret | peterS: OK. I can't use hotplug here since it won't necessarily be installed on the system at the time I need this script, but basically I do need the same values as hotplug will throw up, so I guess I'd be better just 'copying' from hotplug. o.O |
| 19:18.17 | peterS | dareth: http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2006/msg00030.html |
| 19:18.23 | lunitik | streuner: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 states to install linux-image-2.6-$arch ... this meta package is broken... so I simply pointed him in the right direction to get the desired effect :) |
| 19:18.25 | Ferret | peterS: Good learning experience though, thank you for your help. :) |
| 19:18.29 | peterS | np |
| 19:18.34 | Vladi | hi, how do i disable the IPv6 stuff in the default debian kernel its fludding my logs? |
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| 19:18.49 | lunitik | streuner: as an aside, perhaps someone should fix the factoid though? |
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| 19:19.43 | lunitik | streuner: what you read was me simply explaining why |
| 19:19.47 | lunitik | Or trying to |
| 19:19.55 | lunaphyte_ | how do i add partitions from /dev/sda back into a raidset? |
| 19:20.04 | Ferret | peterS: One last question; any hints on where in hotplug's scripts to does the (manu:prod, class[, bus]) => (kmodulename) mapping? |
| 19:20.26 | peterS | Ferret: I've never looked at hotplug's internals |
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| 19:20.31 | dareth | ah cool, no horrible remote probs. |
| 19:20.41 | peterS | I assume it does the same sort of mapping you are doing, but I actually don't know |
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| 19:21.08 | Ferret | peterS: OK, I'll ask that question in a couple of other places that might know offhand, then look myself. Bye. :) |
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| 19:21.33 | lunaphyte_ | searches i find reference the raidhotadd command, which doesn't appear to exist in debian. |
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| 19:22.40 | lunitik | lunaphyte_: apt-cache show raidutils ? |
| 19:23.05 | lunaphyte_ | aha.. |
| 19:23.14 | lunitik | lunaphyte_: "add/remove a hot spare drive to/from an array" |
| 19:23.50 | lunaphyte_ | no worries that the package refers to adaptec controllers, and i am using software raid? |
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| 19:25.12 | lunitik | lunaphyte_: you didn't specify that until now... |
| 19:25.21 | lunitik | !search raidhotadd |
| 19:25.38 | lunitik | blah |
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| 19:26.06 | scarface | how can I check wether services (rsh und rexec) are enabled? |
| 19:26.54 | lunitik | scarface: ps -e | grep them ... manually start them... |
| 19:27.27 | the_mug | lunitik: it works now |
| 19:28.33 | lunitik | scarface: checkservice could likely do it (although it says on remote hosts...) sysvconfig also apparently can display service status... |
| 19:28.50 | lunitik | scarface: apt-cache search service status gives me those... |
| 19:28.54 | the_mug | lunitik: or anyone... when I upgraded kernels my swap isn't being turned on anymore... I can manually turn it back on with swapon but how can I do this permanently? |
| 19:29.38 | lunitik | the_mug: only thing I know of is just make sure its in /etc/fstab still... unsure otherwise |
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| 19:30.11 | lunitik | the_mug: check dmesg to see why its not being used maybe? |
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| 19:32.44 | jair | the server debian was hacked? |
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| 19:32.52 | jair | it is more information about it? |
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| 19:32.55 | streuner | http://tinyurl.com/ks7x2 |
| 19:33.19 | Liquid_Ic | Anyone know how to use minicom. I've got my baud rates set correctly. but it says 'offline' in the bottom right corner. how to i make it go online? |
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| 19:33.25 | streuner | stew: ping |
| 19:33.35 | xsappyx | /q lunchtime ftw |
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| 19:33.38 | stew | streuner: pong |
| 19:33.52 | lunitik | jair: just one server... it happened to be a main devel system though... |
| 19:33.55 | streuner | stew: can you make the URL into topic please? |
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| 19:34.14 | the_mug | lunitik: doh! |
| 19:34.16 | Liquid_Ic | or is there a better program than minicom for serial terminal connections in debian? |
| 19:34.34 | stew | !gluck compromise |
| 19:34.35 | dpkg | it has been said that gluck compromise is it was discovered that gluck.debian.org which hosts many web services for debian.org was recently compromised, please refer to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html |
| 19:35.05 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: yeah there is |
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| 19:35.10 | stew | !gluck compromise is also, gluck was since reloaded completely and services have been restored, refer to http://tinyurl.com/ks7x2 |
| 19:35.11 | dpkg | ...but gluck compromise is already something else... |
| 19:35.15 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: if you want something *really* simple |
| 19:35.19 | stew | !gluck compromise is also gluck was since reloaded completely and services have been restored, refer to http://tinyurl.com/ks7x2 |
| 19:35.20 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 19:35.26 | Liquid_Ic | yes simple is good.. jus tusing it for testing |
| 19:35.26 | lunitik | the_mug: doh because it wasn't? or doh because that doesn't fix your issue? |
| 19:35.31 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: use ser2net |
| 19:35.36 | the_mug | killown: de que voce falas? |
| 19:35.41 | MrDuck | hello everybody, tried to install a 2.6.8-3-686-smp kernel pver a 2.4 and used apt-get, when i now boot on the new kernel, i have no network?! what did i forget? do i have to reconfigure my NIC modules? thx for reply |
| 19:35.45 | jair | lunitik: :) thank God I was getting worry |
| 19:35.47 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: you just telnet to 2000 for port com1 and to 2001 for port com2 |
| 19:36.04 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: edit /etc/ser2net.conf to set baud, parity, etc. default is 9600 8n1 |
| 19:36.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 19:36.11 | jair | yes I think you should put the url as topic |
| 19:36.12 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC June 4th - /msg dpkg oftc move | /msg dpkg gluck compromise | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 19:36.16 | the_mug | lunitik: the fstab is pointing to the wrong device... sorry |
| 19:36.21 | streuner | thanks |
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| 19:36.31 | Liquid_Ic | thanks max_m this is actually better than the way i was going to do it! |
| 19:36.31 | stew | streuner: thanks for the heads up |
| 19:36.49 | lunitik | the_mug: ahh... well its fixed now :) |
| 19:36.51 | killown | the_mug sorry don't understand your lang? |
| 19:37.01 | lunitik | the_mug: fully functional system now? :) |
| 19:37.06 | jair | perfect |
| 19:37.10 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: yeah it took me a while to find it |
| 19:37.18 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: i'm a router programmer so i use this A LOT |
| 19:37.20 | the_mug | killown: what was the pm you sent me all about? |
| 19:37.28 | jair | so then it was just in a version hihger than the stable (sarge) ;0 |
| 19:37.39 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: it makes life easy because you don't need a fancy program and it will work on other hosts over the network |
| 19:37.42 | killown | the_mug I send wrong |
| 19:37.45 | Vladi | hi, how do i disable the IPv6 stuff in the default debian kernel its fludding my logs? |
| 19:37.52 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: so i can h4x0r my routers over the corporate vpn if i'm at home hehe |
| 19:37.54 | killown | the_mug I sended wrong sorry |
| 19:38.35 | Maquiavelo | Hi guys, I'm using a dual head setup with my nvidia card, everything works fine, but is working with the right monitor as the main monitor, instead of the left one. How do I fix this in xorg.conf? |
| 19:38.37 | Liquid_Ic | max_m: have you done any wireless networks with multiple access points? |
| 19:39.22 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: ah that's a good question. i know some people here who work on that |
| 19:39.47 | Liquid_Ic | max_m: I am at a cleints house now.. wifi is horrible here in new york city. Can't seem to get a good signal to the second floor. I've tried the linksys range expanders but they are garbage. Just installed DD-WRT and boosted teh TX power which helps, but not a solution |
| 19:39.52 | lunitik | max_m: I'm pretty sure it doesn't count as cracking if its your box |
| 19:40.05 | jair | lunitik: but even that was on that server and kernel, it means that is people getting funny (hackers) trying to affect debian? |
| 19:40.14 | max_m | lunitik: well i'm not up for semantics right now, i'm busy working on some snmp stuff |
| 19:40.15 | lunitik | max_m: s/box/hardware/ |
| 19:40.32 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: ah. and there's no way to link the floors via cable i take it, eh |
| 19:40.48 | lunitik | Stupid pop culture |
| 19:41.09 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: obviously you want to use channel 1, 6, 11, because the rest overlap |
| 19:41.31 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: then if you can use netstumbler to find out who you're fighting signal wise |
| 19:41.37 | Liquid_Ic | max_m: the upstairs is the roof, and i was trying not to have to build a waterproof box for up there |
| 19:41.49 | Liquid_Ic | channels 1 6 and 11 have about 5 ap's each on them |
| 19:41.54 | lunitik | jair: who knows what the person was trying to do... did you read the link in the factoid? |
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| 19:42.07 | Liquid_Ic | this is a wifi nightmare for me |
| 19:42.08 | nostalg1c | how do i find a debian repository that has monodevelop 0.11 ? |
| 19:42.12 | nostalg1c | i'm running sarge |
| 19:42.15 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: no kidding |
| 19:42.22 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: how about 5 ghz |
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| 19:42.36 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: range is not quite as big but a lot less people use it |
| 19:42.43 | lunitik | nostalg1c: try www.apt-get.org maybe? |
| 19:42.47 | Liquid_Ic | haven't tried 5ghz.. is that the 802.11N junk? |
| 19:43.02 | lunitik | nostalg1c: there's really that much change from 0.10 to 0.11? |
| 19:43.12 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: you can get the 2.4 ghz and 5 ghz equipment; let me look for a link |
| 19:43.41 | nostalg1c | lunitik, not sure, i'm using backports.org and they have 0.9 |
| 19:43.51 | nostalg1c | and i don't seem to be able to use .NET 2.0 in there |
| 19:44.01 | lunitik | nostalg1c: if www.apt-get.org doesn't know about it, there probably aren't .debs for it |
| 19:44.05 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: what you need is an AP which does both 802.11a and 802.11g |
| 19:44.12 | nostalg1c | apt-get.org doesn't seem to reply to my queries |
| 19:44.14 | Liquid_Ic | max_m, on this ser2net... how can i make port 5000 available to other computers on the network. right now it will only let me connect from localhost |
| 19:44.18 | nostalg1c | oh wait |
| 19:44.18 | nostalg1c | :) |
| 19:44.30 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: 11a is 5 ghz and sometimes works better when 2.4 ghz is full |
| 19:44.38 | scarface | how can I make rsh and rexec start automatically? |
| 19:44.50 | Liquid_Ic | thanks max, i'll look into the A gear |
| 19:44.50 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: about ser2net, the man page is pretty good, and /etc/ser2net.conf is well commented |
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| 19:45.07 | rue_mohr | ok, I can join debian |
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| 19:45.23 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: obviously, you can't access one serial port from more than one telnet at once |
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| 19:45.30 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: because serial can't multiplex |
| 19:45.32 | Gnea | okay, why isn't 2.6.17 in backports? |
| 19:45.37 | lunitik | scarface: aptitude install sysvconfig ... I pointed you at least half an hour ago :/ |
| 19:45.40 | rue_mohr | ok, whats the trigger for getting the bot to tell me the command I need to backup my package list to restore later? |
| 19:45.43 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: but you can access it from any host you allow access in the serial config file |
| 19:46.04 | streuner | Gnea: do you use a kernel of backports? |
| 19:46.05 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: also, you can ssh to the box and telnet back to the ports, that's what i do for security unless i'm on my own test network here at work |
| 19:46.10 | scarface | im sorry lunitik, I got busy and wasn't able to read :( |
| 19:46.10 | Gnea | streuner: yes. |
| 19:46.21 | lunitik | s/you at/you to that at/ |
| 19:46.22 | Liquid_Ic | ok thanks for the tips max |
| 19:46.23 | streuner | Gnea: well... |
| 19:46.34 | lunitik | My grammar is starting to go downhill, yay |
| 19:46.45 | streuner | Gnea: 2.6.8 shouldn't be effected... |
| 19:46.54 | rue_mohr | dpkg state-restore |
| 19:47.01 | lunitik | scarface: scroll up :/ |
| 19:47.15 | Gnea | streuner: that's not an option. |
| 19:47.22 | rue_mohr | apt statelist |
| 19:47.30 | Gnea | it's already known that 2.6.17 is immune. |
| 19:47.39 | MrDuck | hi, tried to install a 2.6.8-3-686-smp kernel over a 2.4 and used apt-get, when i now boot on the new kernel, i have no network?! what did i forget? do i have to reconfigure my NIC modules? thx |
| 19:47.50 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: for an example of the kind of higher-end AP with good warranty, here's what my firm makes |
| 19:47.54 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=530936 |
| 19:47.59 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about packages |
| 19:48.09 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: it has a lifetime warranty, with 1-day shipping delay |
| 19:48.12 | Gnea | !tell MrDuck about 2.4->2.6 |
| 19:48.15 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about packagelist |
| 19:48.21 | lunitik | Gnea: 2.6.17 is immune to the root exploit that effected gluck? or do I just suck at follow discussion? |
| 19:48.26 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: of course there are other vendors available too, so shop around and find something that will work for you |
| 19:48.34 | lunitik | following discussions ... grrr |
| 19:48.36 | Gnea | lunitik: no, you are right on track :) |
| 19:48.49 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about restore-packages |
| 19:48.50 | streuner | Gnea: well, visit backports.org again, they have a seperate channel... |
| 19:48.56 | Gnea | ok |
| 19:48.57 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about channel log |
| 19:48.58 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: that example AP doesn't do .11a though; those can be a bit trickier to locate |
| 19:49.01 | Gnea | !backports |
| 19:49.02 | dpkg | [backports] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:49.12 | Liquid_Ic | max: how is this better than my modded WRT54G? |
| 19:49.14 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about restore |
| 19:49.19 | scarface | lunitik sysvconfig looks nice but I cant find rsh and rexec in there |
| 19:49.27 | rue_mohr | apt tell rue_mohr about dpkg |
| 19:49.39 | rue_mohr | dpkg tell rue_mohr about dpkg |
| 19:50.13 | lunitik | scarface: ahh... make sure its contained in /etc/rc2.d and /etc/init.d ? |
| 19:50.23 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: well the upside would be if it's a business, the warranty and support could be helpful, and you get a nice java client to help you monitor them if you have a fleet of them |
| 19:50.24 | lunitik | scarface: it being rsh and rexec |
| 19:50.25 | rue_mohr | I need the command to get the package state list that I can put back into dpkg... anyone know how to get the info out of the bot? |
| 19:50.38 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: if they are just for home stuff, you probably wouldn't need such features |
| 19:50.46 | lunitik | scarface: I keep wondering why you're using rsh though... you don't like secure alternatives? |
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| 19:51.08 | Liquid_Ic | yeah i'm doing installs to residential clients, their only requirement is that it works in all rooms of the house |
| 19:51.14 | streuner | rue_mohr: /msg dpkg listvals selections? |
| 19:51.25 | lakez | with : ^c, what is processing that... is it the shell ? |
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| 19:52.07 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: if you want a 100-dollar special that might support a linksys linux image, try something like a http://shop4.outpost.com/%7B3Ls3zt5cI2bEep9sD9nBVQ**.node2%7D/product/3630585;jsessionid=3Ls3zt5cI2bEep9sD9nBVQ**.node2?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| 19:52.35 | scarface | lunitik: well they are not but I'm trying to use my x window system on this WinXP machine through x-win32 but when I'm trying to connect to the linux machine I get a connection refused and the FAQ on starnet.com tells me I should check on those ... |
| 19:52.38 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: you can't go wrong there, A+G, and probably supports a linux image. but of course check first because i'm no linksys hacker |
| 19:52.58 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: if anything i just use 1x to a radius server and deal with it that way, but your way is cool too |
| 19:52.59 | MrDuck | gnea, thx but did install it like this but have not net afterwards when i reboot on the 2.6 kernel :-/ |
| 19:53.10 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: i've been meaning to try a linksys hack but haven't had time |
| 19:53.15 | Liquid_Ic | max_m: both ends need to suppport 802.11a for this to be any good right? So my Nokia 770 which only does b+g won't gain any advantages when using an A router? |
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| 19:53.43 | lakez | What controls the signal+key binds ? Is it the shell ? |
| 19:53.56 | lakez | like.. remapping ^c would be at what level? shell? |
| 19:54.01 | max_m | Liquid_Ic: yeah you need appropriate a+g cards and routers / access points, since the frequency and channels are very different |
| 19:54.02 | rhys | what do i ask dpkg for about installing nvidia by apt? |
| 19:54.05 | max_m | lakez: i think maybe stty |
| 19:54.14 | roym | If I have accidentally removed a single file that belongs to a package, how can I restore it quickly? |
| 19:54.14 | max_m | !tell rhys about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:54.19 | lakez | so.. man stty should cover the signal to key mappings ? |
| 19:54.19 | rhys | ty max |
| 19:54.27 | rue_mohr | dpkg tell rue_mohr about getselections |
| 19:54.37 | max_m | lakez: yeah and i think running it plain tells the current map |
| 19:54.41 | rue_mohr | dpkg tell rue_mohr about get-selections |
| 19:54.46 | rue_mohr | dpkg tell rue_mohr about selections |
| 19:54.54 | rue_mohr | aha! thats it! |
| 19:55.00 | lakez | ah cool.. stty -a |
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| 19:55.17 | max_m | roym: apt-get install --reinstall will preserve config files and repair package |
| 19:55.18 | lunitik | scarface: SSH does X forwarding... you probably just want rdesktop (krdc/krfb) or vnc (vino or krdc/krfb) |
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| 19:55.19 | streuner | rue_mohr: use /msg dpkg <factoid> next time |
| 19:55.32 | roym | max_m: thanks a bunch. |
| 19:55.54 | lunitik | scarface: rdesktop uses rdp which is what Winblows uses for Remote Desktop, so likely your best option |
| 19:56.17 | scarface | lunitik yea I want that, but x-win32 does the job aswell ... do I have to make any changes on the linux machine to allow X forwarding? |
| 19:56.44 | lunitik | scarface: nope... just ssh -Y host |
| 19:57.01 | rhys | yea..that didnt work |
| 19:57.04 | rhys | the nvidia one liner |
| 19:57.16 | lunitik | !nvidia |
| 19:57.16 | rhys | the nvidia install script on the other hand, for me worked perfectly the last time i tried it |
| 19:57.17 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 19:57.43 | lunitik | rhys: wrong factoid... but read 'nvidia-graphics-drivers' as pointed to there |
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| 19:58.03 | rhys | right |
| 19:58.11 | barry | From my googling I see that lots of people have posted troubles with cupsys. I have tried cupsys-1.1.23-10sarge1 that comes with the Debian 3.1-r2 install dvd's and the cupsys-1.2.1-2bp01 that comes from the latest available backport version. Neither works properly. The first periodically forgets how to talk to my printer and it takes about 6 remove reinstall printer attempts or a full cupsys --purge remove reinstall to get it working again. |
| 19:58.11 | barry | All I have to do is reboot and it forgegs again any better cups versions I should try? |
| 19:58.27 | lunitik | rhys: that factoid points to a wiki ... that wiki will help you get it set up |
| 19:58.29 | max_m | roym: sure |
| 19:58.49 | rhys | yep |
| 19:58.49 | rhys | im looking now |
| 19:58.51 | rhys | whats so bad about the nvidia installer? |
| 19:58.57 | max_m | barry: sounds like driver problem |
| 19:58.58 | rhys | you just run it if you change kernels |
| 19:59.07 | max_m | barry: what kind of printer |
| 19:59.11 | lunitik | rhys: just make sure you do the binary section not the free one... |
| 19:59.21 | barry | hp officejet g85 |
| 19:59.27 | rhys | lunitik, the difference? |
| 19:59.45 | rhys | its just a script that runs..worked fine for me. downloaded it directly from the nvidia website |
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| 19:59.58 | lunitik | rhys: Nvidia's official drivers are proprietary, thus can't be distributed with the kernel... so nvidia has to upgrade the drivers every time a new kernel is released... and you have to install them again... |
| 20:00.02 | scarface | I always get a X11 forwarding refused |
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| 20:00.19 | lunitik | rhys: one comes from Nvidia ... one is the open source version |
| 20:00.47 | Avance | lunitik, hello again, i installed debian, but on my laptop there are 2 eths 0 and 1, and my internet doesnt work, how can i fix that? |
| 20:00.55 | rhys | lunitik, does the propietary one work better? |
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| 20:01.39 | lunitik | rhys: yes... Nvidia has a slight advantage over everyone else when writing drivers for its own hardware ;) |
| 20:02.23 | rhys | lunitik, i noticed. its not that hard to do. i downloaded the driver, put it on the kernel..changed kernels. it broke, so i ran it again, viola. |
| 20:02.25 | barry | rhys my nvidia card runs about 1000 times faster with the nvidia driver over the nv driver |
| 20:02.33 | Avance | lunitik, ifdown/ifup ethx doesnt work :/ |
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| 20:02.42 | lunitik | Avance: man interfaces ... or see what you make of /etc/network/interfaces ... make sure the correct interface is configured for internet |
| 20:02.59 | mikedub | how do i change the timeout on my ssh sessions? |
| 20:03.05 | mikedub | idle timeout, that is |
| 20:03.05 | abrotman | timeout? fix your router |
| 20:03.30 | lunitik | rhys: hence Gregs joke ;) |
| 20:03.39 | mikedub | pardon? |
| 20:03.43 | rhys | lunitik, lol. :D |
| 20:03.50 | abrotman | mikedub: the more likely culprit is a router in between you and the server |
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| 20:04.20 | rhys | what good is devfs? |
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| 20:04.27 | lunitik | rhys: if I was you, I wouldn't be updating kernels unless it was necissary, I'd imagine that would get annoying |
| 20:04.34 | mikedub | i doubt it, considering it times out no matter where i'm connected from |
| 20:04.39 | lunitik | rhys: udev replaces devfs |
| 20:04.43 | rhys | lunitk, yes it would |
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| 20:04.51 | abrotman | mikedub: if there's no setting in /etc/ssh/sshd_config .. it's a router |
| 20:05.09 | lunitik | rhys: udev dynamically populates /dev |
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| 20:05.36 | max_m | barry: alright, hp officejet |
| 20:05.38 | abrotman | mikedub: the default sshd_config in debian doesn't have a timeout .. so you should know if you added it |
| 20:05.39 | lunitik | rhys: as I understand it... devfs basically did the same thing... although devfs didn't stick around long... |
| 20:05.45 | max_m | barry: try the following pair of driver packages |
| 20:05.46 | rhys | oh |
| 20:05.50 | rhys | i see |
| 20:05.57 | mikedub | it's a colo, i didn't install debian |
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| 20:06.04 | dj-death | Hi all |
| 20:06.04 | mikedub | so i don't know wtf they set. |
| 20:06.23 | dj-death | I'm looking for the linux kernel package to install for my amd K5 90MHz |
| 20:06.27 | dj-death | any idea ? |
| 20:06.32 | abrotman | mikedub: you can try to set ClientAliveInterval to see if that helps .. set it to like four minutes .. |
| 20:06.35 | dj-death | 686 doesnt work |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | -386 |
| 20:06.42 | Hoxzer | libmp3lame <-- what package does contain that in debian? |
| 20:06.42 | sebas007 | hey folks! any one got a problem with displaying fonts after a recent debian update of testing ? |
| 20:06.57 | abrotman | mikedub: it also only works for sshV2 |
| 20:06.57 | Hoxzer | toolame? |
| 20:07.06 | barry | max_m: which pair of driver packages? |
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| 20:07.19 | max_m | barry: hpijs + hplip + hpoj for the driver, cupsys foomatic-db-hpijs cupsys-bsd gs for server |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | mikedub: man sshd_config .. search for "timeout" |
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| 20:07.30 | max_m | barry: sorry, was busy pasting from my installed package list |
| 20:07.36 | sebas007 | like, in gaim and firefox... it all goes white sometimes... |
| 20:07.38 | rhys | son of a bitch. EVERYTIME. i always type mount /dev/hdd ... i ALWAYS forget /dev/hdd1. :( |
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| 20:07.47 | rhys | scares the hell out of me |
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| 20:07.49 | Tall-guy | Hey dudes and dudettes |
| 20:07.49 | max_m | barry: i just used it to set up my network printer, a color lj 3700dtn |
| 20:07.50 | Hoxzer | !lame |
| 20:07.51 | dpkg | lame is, like, : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 20:08.14 | sebas007 | it is like the bug in IE, with multiple layers of colors in a page... |
| 20:09.13 | Tall-guy | I'm doing some troubleshooting of a process that causes my Debian Woody box to Hang/Kernel panic....and freezes the box so that I have to cold boot, which then forces me to fsck manual cause the file system wasn't shutdown cleanly. Is there any way around the fsck (I expect about 50 more kernel panics during the course of troubleshooting and these fsck's are a pain) |
| 20:09.14 | lunitik | rhys: haha... set an alias in ~/.bash_profile "alias rootpart='/dev/hdd1' or simular :) |
| 20:09.16 | barry | max_m Thanks a bunch I pasted that info to a text file and will give it a try. |
| 20:09.25 | lunitik | rhys: then you just have to remember rootpart ;) |
| 20:09.33 | rhys | lunitik, i just have to remember. :( |
| 20:09.36 | sebas007 | it is not ringing any bells ??? |
| 20:09.41 | rhys | brb |
| 20:09.51 | max_m | barry: the general rule of linux printing is |
| 20:09.57 | lunitik | rhys: I always set things up that are easier to remember if I forget stuff |
| 20:10.04 | max_m | barry: install so much that you eat up the bandwidth of a third world country |
| 20:10.15 | max_m | barry: then maybe it'll work, if you are patient with the cups web wizard |
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| 20:10.20 | max_m | barry: and are lucky |
| 20:10.48 | keherman | Can someone tell me how to update the LD libraries? |
| 20:10.59 | max_m | barry: one of the famous opensourcers pokes much fun at this problem here http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html |
| 20:11.00 | keherman | i just want it to scan for new files |
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| 20:11.03 | abrotman | ldconfig ? |
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| 20:11.13 | dj-death | thx |
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| 20:11.15 | barry | I love the hp office jet when it prints, cause it scans perfectly in linux too with the hpoj sane driver. |
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| 20:11.50 | mikedub | thanks for the tips |
| 20:11.51 | keherman | abrotman, i am not root, but i have bittorrent which can't find the helper python scripts in a local library path (within my /home) |
| 20:12.00 | rhys | right..how do i change resolution for x? |
| 20:12.22 | Tall-guy | right click on desktop, properties.....no wait...thats the OTHER irc channel :) |
| 20:12.37 | rhys | this 6x4 is horrible. im used to 12x10 |
| 20:12.37 | lunitik | rhys: you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 20:12.39 | max_m | keherman: LD_LIBRARY_PATH needs to get set |
| 20:12.42 | rhys | lol Tall-guy |
| 20:12.54 | keherman | max_m, it is set locally -- but python does not seem to check it |
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| 20:13.19 | max_m | keherman: that can't happen. the link loader checks it |
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| 20:13.29 | lunitik | Tall-guy: actually... right click > Configure Desktop works here so long as the resolution is defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :/ |
| 20:13.32 | max_m | keherman: whatever library it is must not be a system .so file |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | keherman: eh .. you may have to statically compile it .. or try another .. |
| 20:13.40 | max_m | keherman: so then you have to try some other setting |
| 20:13.44 | keherman | max_m, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/kunden/homepages/16/d125181837/htdocs/local/lib: |
| 20:13.50 | max_m | keherman: i know this from recompiling the userspace of solaris |
| 20:13.51 | abrotman | keherman: i don't think python heler scripts qualify as libaries though |
| 20:13.57 | nekromaan | lunitik: hello, it worked, thx :) ... but i have a problem with the http://security.debian.org server, is there an other one? |
| 20:13.58 | abrotman | damn solaris! :) |
| 20:13.58 | keherman | max_m, however these are not .so files, but .py files |
| 20:14.06 | max_m | keherman: you're configuring a 1&1 host account aren't you ;) |
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| 20:14.14 | keherman | max_m, hehe yes! |
| 20:14.16 | abrotman | max_m: no .. he's hacking umass! |
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| 20:14.32 | keherman | abrotman, i already did that years ago |
| 20:14.34 | lunitik | nekromaan: no... there are no mirrors for security.d.o ... for security reasons :P |
| 20:14.35 | abrotman | !phillysmite Award |
| 20:14.37 | max_m | keherman: yeah you need to ask the python guys in #python how to add to the py search path |
| 20:14.46 | keherman | max_m, yea ok -- thanks guys :-) |
| 20:14.48 | max_m | keherman: it's not gonna be the same thing at LD_LIB... |
| 20:14.53 | max_m | keherman: as* |
| 20:15.03 | abrotman | that would imply real libraries .. not that python crap! |
| 20:15.05 | nekromaan | lunitik: oh, cause he ign those files when i want aptitude update :( |
| 20:15.08 | max_m | keherman: i'm sure it will take them < 1min to answer |
| 20:15.10 | max_m | abrotman: heh |
| 20:15.12 | lunitik | nekromaan: if you're using Sid... it has no security updates... because it goes directly into the packages |
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| 20:15.46 | nekromaan | lunitik: no debian etch beta 2 installier |
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| 20:16.04 | Trek00 | hello :-) I'm searching some backup tool to backup a postgresql DB + some filesystem remotely. There are many backup tools in debian, I looked the popularity contest too, but I want to know some impression from any user want to say something about :-) |
| 20:16.10 | rhys | woot |
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| 20:16.12 | rhys | of course |
| 20:16.14 | rhys | :D |
| 20:16.15 | nekromaan | lunitik: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main; is that right? |
| 20:16.16 | abrotman | rsync ? |
| 20:16.16 | rhys | edit one file.. |
| 20:16.18 | samuel | sup all |
| 20:16.29 | rhys | KICKASS. i not only have debian up, but my entire repo is up and running on the server downstairs.. |
| 20:16.34 | lunitik | nekromaan: etch has security updates... if its ignoring Releases but not Packages you're fine though... although not sure why it wouldn't have it |
| 20:16.39 | rhys | the nvidia driver is installed |
| 20:16.43 | rhys | w00000t |
| 20:16.47 | lunitik | rhys: yay |
| 20:17.01 | lunitik | rhys: HOWTO's are neat |
| 20:17.05 | rhys | lunitik, i have only had the dream of doing this since...june? |
| 20:17.13 | samuel | what is an alternative to /etc/init.d/apache stop ??? something like what redhat has... service apache stop or something like that? |
| 20:17.25 | nekromaan | lunitik: is the link correct? |
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| 20:17.40 | lunitik | rhys: you've been trying to set up nvidia drivers for over a month? |
| 20:17.45 | rhys | lunitik, how long have i been in here talking to you people...and howtos work. sometimes. :\. the repository is kinda odd, but its up and running. |
| 20:17.50 | Trek00 | samuel: why you need an alternative? |
| 20:17.57 | rhys | lunitik, no, from changing from windows to debian, with the repo set up |
| 20:17.59 | m1ke_l | how do i keep back app's from upgrade when i apt-get upgrade? |
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| 20:18.12 | abrotman | !tell m1ke_l about hold |
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| 20:18.23 | m1ke_l | thanks man |
| 20:18.59 | rhys | lunitik, you have no idea how hard it is when you have 1 windows box, 1 ip cop box, and 14 ISOs on a NTFS hdd on the windows box. heh. ive been...yea. serious work getting all this up. nvidia is nice though. took a whole 5 seconds. |
| 20:19.20 | lunitik | nekromaan: http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/ exists ... |
| 20:19.28 | lunitik | nekromaan: so yes... link is correct |
| 20:19.38 | Trek00 | abrotman: if you answered rsync to me, thank you, but I'm searching something more complete like flexbackup or backupninja |
| 20:19.41 | abrotman | rhys: you can make your own repository |
| 20:19.50 | abrotman | Trek00: amanda? bacula? |
| 20:20.10 | rhys | abrotman,....have you been around for the last month of so? because if you remember right, thats what ive been trying to do. |
| 20:20.15 | rhys | and i got it now |
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| 20:20.18 | the_mug | what is the command to get the apt-get wizard where you can choose your mirror? http/ftp...etc |
| 20:20.19 | lunitik | rhys: ahh... dialup huh? |
| 20:20.36 | nekromaan | lunitik: hmpf, why does he ignore the mirror-server? :/ |
| 20:20.47 | Trek00 | abrotman: I'm searching not the name of the application but some impressions to select it... may be I'm asking a unanswerable ask :> |
| 20:20.54 | abrotman | rhys: well .. why didn't you say that? |
| 20:21.01 | rhys | the ipcop box downstairs is running thttpd, chrooted into /var/www where i mounted a 20gb hdd...then i just took every ISO, cut out everything but "dists" and "pool". |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | Trek00: you want opinions .. |
| 20:21.07 | abrotman | rhys: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 20:21.14 | rhys | abrotman, tried that |
| 20:21.14 | Trek00 | abrotman: yes! :) |
| 20:21.15 | rhys | didnt work |
| 20:21.22 | abrotman | eh .. it should ahve |
| 20:21.23 | abrotman | have |
| 20:21.26 | lunitik | nekromaan: because its security... why would you want to trust mirrors with security updates? bad idea if you ask me... |
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| 20:21.37 | abrotman | Trek00: you could try them all! |
| 20:21.42 | rhys | abrotman, apt found all the package lists but as soon as i tried to install them it couldnt find the packages |
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| 20:21.56 | Trek00 | abrotman: I fear about it :D |
| 20:22.05 | Trek00 | abrotman: thanks anyway :> |
| 20:22.09 | abrotman | Trek00: it's just a backup .. what could go wrong?!? :) |
| 20:22.18 | Trek00 | eheheh :D |
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| 20:23.39 | lunitik | rhys: apt-cache show apt-proxy ... |
| 20:23.48 | rhys | lunitik, noooo |
| 20:23.49 | rhys | it works |
| 20:23.53 | rhys | and ill leave it like that |
| 20:23.53 | rhys | :D |
| 20:23.58 | rhys | i got it working |
| 20:24.00 | Detox | help have a dell inspirion 2500 laptop 700 mhz 128 ram i810 video ,,, cannot get display,,, alll i get is scrolling lines am useing debian etch what do i do to get x to work??????????????????? |
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| 20:24.16 | lunitik | rhys: haha... I didn't see the bit where you said its working now :o |
| 20:24.23 | morning_wood | http://zone-h,org debian.org hacked updat |
| 20:24.27 | blondie | grrr |
| 20:24.34 | morning_wood | updated |
| 20:24.35 | rhys | yea. its a bit of a hack, but i think i like it like this. works perfectly |
| 20:24.52 | rhys | http://rafb.net/paste/results/j6YgYN43.html |
| 20:24.52 | rhys | see |
| 20:25.03 | blondie | what could cause "/etc/init.d/* stop" to stop working? |
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| 20:25.07 | the_mug | anyone? how can I update my apt-get mirrors? |
| 20:25.14 | rhys | and each of those is nothing but "dists" and "pool" works fine. |
| 20:25.17 | blondie | it claims to stop things, but they don't |
| 20:25.24 | rhys | the_mug, apt-get update ? |
| 20:25.25 | blondie | including mysql, samba and apache-ssl :( |
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| 20:25.34 | morning_wood | http://www.zone-h.org/content/view/13853/31/ |
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| 20:26.27 | lunitik | Detox: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... is it using i810 ? is xserver-xorg-video-i810 installed? |
| 20:26.43 | rhys | so im off to play with this |
| 20:26.45 | rhys | ttyl |
| 20:26.50 | Detox | the xorg.conf is i810 |
| 20:26.52 | the_mug | rhys: to change from one mirror to another |
| 20:27.01 | lunitik | (dpkg -l) |
| 20:27.21 | the_mug | lunitik: say I wanted to chage to mirrors.kernel.org how would I do that? |
| 20:27.35 | Detox | how would i know if the xserver-xorg-video-i810 is installed? |
| 20:28.11 | lunitik | the_mug: vi /etc/apt/sources.list ... change current url to 'ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian' and leave everything else... |
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| 20:28.26 | the_mug | aha! |
| 20:28.35 | the_mug | gracias! |
| 20:28.48 | Detox | did dpkg -l |
| 20:28.54 | Detox | but scrolled by fast |
| 20:29.00 | morning_wood | anyway ... Debian Developer Box Hacked http://www.zone-h.org/content/view/13853/31/ |
| 20:29.01 | Detox | how to view a page at at time? |
| 20:29.08 | lunitik | Detox: dpkg -l | grep video |
| 20:29.17 | abrotman | morning_wood: STOP |
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| 20:29.25 | lunitik | Detox: or dpkg -l | grep i810 |
| 20:30.44 | Detox | still need to view page at a time |
| 20:30.47 | blondie | how are you meant to install security updates on stable? apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? :S |
| 20:30.59 | Detox | ok got it |
| 20:31.08 | Detox | yes it is here |
| 20:31.11 | lunitik | Detox: dpkg -l | grep i810 should only return one package |
| 20:31.15 | samuel | Trek00, because i know there is one and id like to remember what that is |
| 20:31.21 | Detox | my typo |
| 20:31.25 | Detox | it is there |
| 20:31.27 | lunitik | Detox: hmm... what resolution are you trying to use? |
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| 20:31.39 | Detox | never had a decision in it |
| 20:31.51 | Detox | dont know,,,, |
| 20:32.05 | lunitik | Detox: sure you did... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and actually read what it asks you this time |
| 20:32.06 | Trek00 | samuel: sorry, i don't know, may be you can search something around sysinit update-rc.d ... |
| 20:32.11 | Detox | i do know that ith libranet ,, it could only use 800x600 |
| 20:32.18 | Trek00 | samuel: sysvinit |
| 20:32.21 | Detox | yes but no mention of resolution |
| 20:32.52 | samuel | Trek00, thanks anyways |
| 20:32.58 | Detox | there is no screen that asks for resolution |
| 20:33.06 | Detox | have run it 5x now |
| 20:33.11 | lunitik | Detox: dpkg-reconfigure debconf ... set it to ask medium questions and try again |
| 20:33.14 | Detox | both autodetect and manual |
| 20:33.15 | MM2 | topic |
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| 20:33.21 | lunitik | Detox: you obviously set it to high or something |
| 20:33.56 | shining | actually, I don't remember having to set that in any of my last install |
| 20:33.58 | Detox | ok,,,,,,,,, asks for dialogue ,,, readline,, or gnome |
| 20:34.08 | shining | though I did the first times |
| 20:34.10 | lunitik | Detox: dialog |
| 20:34.16 | Detox | ok |
| 20:34.23 | blondie | !start-stop-daemon |
| 20:34.23 | dpkg | To pass arguments to the daemon that start-stop-daemon runs, put "-- " before your extra args (at the end of the command line). |
| 20:34.25 | Detox | now ,,, level???? |
| 20:34.30 | blondie | denied |
| 20:34.43 | Detox | critical , high , medium ,k, low |
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| 20:34.49 | lunitik | Detox: yes... set to medium ... or low etc... not high |
| 20:34.58 | Detox | ok ssetting to low |
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| 20:35.12 | Detox | ok back to prompt |
| 20:35.14 | shwag | how do I list the contents of an installed package ? |
| 20:35.21 | Detox | now do reconfig of xorg? |
| 20:35.31 | lunitik | Detox: low will ask all questions... gets annoying so change it back when you're done ;P |
| 20:35.45 | lunitik | Detox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... yes |
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| 20:36.07 | Detox | ok here we go |
| 20:36.10 | lunitik | Detox: not just xorg ... please follow what I say... don't guess at what I mean |
| 20:36.17 | Detox | now,,, auto detect or select no ? |
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| 20:36.32 | lunitik | Detox: auto ... irrelivant really... still asks you |
| 20:36.36 | Detox | ok |
| 20:37.02 | Detox | how about the video ram.... leave blank or put in 4096? |
| 20:37.08 | lunitik | Detox: auto just uses discover1 to try and figure out what the best answers are... |
| 20:37.25 | lunitik | Detox: just hit enter ... but slower than last time... for the questions... |
| 20:37.40 | lunitik | !Debian Way |
| 20:37.41 | Detox | ok framebuffer yes/ no ? |
| 20:37.47 | lunitik | Detox: no |
| 20:37.50 | Detox | default is no? |
| 20:37.52 | lunitik | !enter |
| 20:37.53 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:37.55 | Detox | k |
| 20:37.57 | lunitik | grrr |
| 20:38.05 | novata_peleona | i am running amule and never gets more than 20kb for download. In amule.conf i set it to 0, but seconds after, amule set it to 20kb. I tried with chmod with no write permision but amule change it again. Any help?? |
| 20:38.13 | lunitik | !widhe |
| 20:38.13 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 20:38.23 | lunitik | Detox: ^^ |
| 20:38.30 | Detox | arrg ok at end,, but did not ast about resolution |
| 20:38.58 | Detox | me either |
| 20:39.09 | Detox | nothing about resoliution |
| 20:39.13 | Detox | there should be something |
| 20:40.15 | Detox | i jsut dont get it |
| 20:40.33 | Detox | I am at a lousey dsl connection and i do not want to start fresh again |
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| 20:40.45 | Detox | takes 5 hours to DL debian |
| 20:40.52 | c00lfon | Hi all. ;) |
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| 20:41.49 | lunitik | Detox: just add more resolutions to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... |
| 20:42.15 | Detox | it has 1024x768 , 800x600, and 640x480 now |
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| 20:43.13 | Detox | got to go have cleint coming in ,,, thanks for being frustrated with me |
| 20:43.15 | Detox | back later |
| 20:43.17 | lunitik | Detox: have the monitor handbook handy? check VSync and HSync and see if X has it right.. |
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| 20:43.40 | lunitik | :/ |
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| 20:44.08 | kepht | /etc/interfaces/options <--obsolete right? |
| 20:44.46 | stew | kepht: deprecated, but still functioning |
| 20:44.51 | kepht | er, /etc/network/interfaces/options |
| 20:44.58 | stew | /etc/network/options |
| 20:45.12 | kepht | are the settings somewhere else? |
| 20:45.15 | nekromaan | lunitik: is it possible that my debian uses a speed limit, cause if i conn to switzerland germany austria and croatia, all servers go not faster than 60kb :/ |
| 20:45.22 | stew | kepht: /etc/sysctl.conf (man sysctl.conf) |
| 20:45.29 | kepht | thanks! |
| 20:46.05 | lunitik | nekromaan: what kind of connection do you have? |
| 20:46.08 | blondie | nekromaan: probably your connection/the internets :P |
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| 20:46.20 | nekromaan | lunitik: 1mbit |
| 20:46.31 | SeanTater | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.32 | lunitik | nekromaan: I'm at 5mbit |
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| 20:47.06 | SeanTater | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.09 | SeanTater | oops |
| 20:47.14 | SeanTater | I had a space in it |
| 20:47.23 | lunitik | nekromaan: as I said, ftp.debian.org here averages 500kb/s... mirrors.kernel.org here averages 750kb/s... this was for comparison... |
| 20:47.25 | c00lfon | Tru without it. ;> |
| 20:47.33 | c00lfon | Tray* |
| 20:47.37 | c00lfon | Try* |
| 20:47.41 | c00lfon | Ech, lag. |
| 20:47.44 | lunitik | nekromaan: I assumed most had tried ftp.debian.org ... |
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| 20:48.27 | cusco | lunitik: how do you make out the averages? |
| 20:49.01 | nekromaan | lunitik: ok thats strange :/ |
| 20:49.08 | lunitik | cusco: rough estimate ... based on most often maintained speed and ranges I've seen |
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| 20:52.20 | lunitik | Also, whether I use ftp:// or http:// seems to make a considerable difference... as a note |
| 20:52.20 | Vladi | hi, how can i confirm that my interface is set up as 100 Mbit Full Duplex? |
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| 20:52.57 | blondie | well that was fucking annoying |
| 20:53.18 | zzz | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 20:53.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 20:53.21 | Piet | Vladi: try to saturate it |
| 20:54.19 | Vladi | Piet: hmm not sure how to do that |
| 20:54.26 | c00lfon | Who known smth about patches for default 2.6.13-2.6.17.4 Debian kernels? |
| 20:54.33 | lunitik | blondie: I don't want to know what you're refering to huh? |
| 20:54.37 | c00lfon | (asking in connection with prctl bug) |
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| 20:54.53 | blondie | lunitik: I disconnected from freenode instead of stupid oftc |
| 20:55.02 | shining | hahaha |
| 20:55.07 | lunitik | blondie: doh |
| 20:55.09 | blondie | I don't like the #debian there |
| 20:55.17 | shining | oftc kicks freenode ass |
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| 20:55.23 | guilherme-jorge | anybody already worked with DAZUKO? I don't have to get any event when I delete a file from directory.. |
| 20:55.24 | blondie | I tried to use "freenode forever! as the quit message |
| 20:55.30 | blondie | shining: DENIED |
| 20:55.39 | blondie | their ircd sucks |
| 20:55.49 | kepht | Vladi: mii-tool |
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| 20:56.00 | abrotman | lunitik: what do you want? |
| 20:56.24 | blondie | abrotman: can you fix my server please? |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | oh ... mii-tool or ethtool |
| 20:56.24 | Vladi | kepht: yeah looking at that now how can i set the interface to Full duplex do u know off hand |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | !fix blondie's server |
| 20:56.24 | blondie | you so clever |
| 20:56.24 | blondie | :\ |
| 20:56.30 | kepht | /proc/net/dev |
| 20:56.31 | abrotman | blondie: does it involve X again? |
| 20:56.34 | blondie | no |
| 20:56.40 | Trek00 | abrotman: FYI i found this very interesting page http://deb.riseup.net/backup/ |
| 20:56.41 | abrotman | what did you break? |
| 20:56.43 | blondie | samba, mysqld, apache-ssl |
| 20:56.45 | lunitik | abrotman: <Vladi> hi, how can i confirm that my interface is set up as 100 Mbit Full Duplex? |
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| 20:57.13 | abrotman | Trek00: nice! |
| 20:57.19 | abrotman | lunitik: i told oyu .. mii-tool or ethtool |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | blondie: and they're broken? |
| 20:57.34 | kepht | Vladi: mii-tool --help |
| 20:57.34 | blondie | this week they've all stopped working properly :( they drop clients' connections almost straight away |
| 20:57.48 | blondie | I can't stop them with /etc/init.d/blah stop |
| 20:57.50 | blondie | or restart |
| 20:58.01 | abrotman | would you really like me to guess? |
| 20:58.02 | blondie | I have to kill them, and then they're ok when I start them again |
| 20:58.20 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh.... text wasn't highlighted, so its your fault :P |
| 20:58.32 | blondie | there's no error messages, they just... break x.x |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | lunitik: i read every line .. can't you ? |
| 20:58.52 | lunitik | abrotman: not when I'm looking at something else |
| 20:58.59 | blondie | abrotman: did sarge become "unstable"? |
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| 20:59.07 | lunitik | abrotman: human eyes aren't intended for that :P |
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| 20:59.28 | abrotman | blondie: not to my knowledge |
| 20:59.36 | geemark | how do I submit a form in LYNX? It says "[BUTTON]", but it cannot get focus |
| 20:59.41 | blondie | abrotman: why are there so many damn updates :S |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | crappy developers |
| 21:00.03 | blondie | I can't believe there's this many security fixes |
| 21:00.23 | lunitik | geemark: no idea... I use links2 here |
| 21:00.36 | blondie | I'll have to pretend it's Windows and rebuild the machine |
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| 21:00.59 | abrotman | blondie: i odn't see how that fixes it .. run debsums and chkrootkit and rkhunter |
| 21:01.32 | lunitik | geemark: could be you actually need a GUI to click it though |
| 21:01.40 | Trek00 | geemark: press enter on the button |
| 21:01.53 | Trek00 | geemark: or the right arrow |
| 21:02.24 | geemark | Trek00: that reacts to the input field or link active, not the form itself |
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| 21:02.55 | Trek00 | geemark: you should move with tab to the submit button, then use the right arrow |
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| 21:03.40 | geemark | Trek00: is previously stated, the submit button cannot be focused |
| 21:04.09 | lunitik | geemark: take a look at the site via a GUI ... see what they're doing? |
| 21:04.15 | Trek00 | geemark: may be it use javascript TM, and lynx don't support that |
| 21:04.21 | lunitik | geemark: not that that would help fix it... but yeah |
| 21:04.54 | geemark | that's a little problematic - I am ssh'ing to a remote server, and lynx'ing to the router it is behind |
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| 21:05.57 | Trek00 | lunitik: links elinks and links2 supports javascript |
| 21:06.45 | novata_peleona | i am running amule and never gets more than 20kb for download. In amule.conf i set it to 0, but seconds after, amule set it to 20kb. I tried with chmod with no write permision but amule change it again. Any help?? |
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| 21:07.55 | lunitik | novata_peleona: look into gtk-gnutella or apollon ... I personally recommend apollon |
| 21:08.14 | novata_peleona | whats that?? |
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| 21:08.59 | lunitik | novata_peleona: a giFT frontend currently supporting Gnutella and FastTrack, and working on SoulSeek, Ares, and E-Donkey support |
| 21:09.11 | lunitik | oh, and it has OpenFT... blah |
| 21:09.17 | lunitik | and is working on OpenNap too |
| 21:09.47 | novata_peleona | lunitik, problems is amule overrride amule.conf and set maxdownload to 20 instead 0 |
| 21:10.21 | lunitik | novata_peleona: what p2p software did you use on Winblows? |
| 21:10.33 | novata_peleona | i am on debian. |
| 21:10.41 | lunitik | novata_peleona: not what I asked |
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| 21:11.11 | novata_peleona | sorry? |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | what Intellectual Property Stealing Software did you use on windows? |
| 21:11.35 | lunitik | novata_peleona: Gnutella = Limewire/Bearshare/etc FastTrack = Morpheus/Kazaa/etc |
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| 21:12.01 | novata_peleona | i am using amule |
| 21:12.07 | lunitik | novata_peleona: amule is simply an e-donkey frontend |
| 21:12.21 | lunitik | and e-donkey sucks |
| 21:12.22 | novata_peleona | i am a learner |
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| 21:12.58 | k31th | Any ldap admins about :D |
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| 21:13.12 | k31th | i have setup ldap and got a front end working nice... |
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| 21:15.33 | k31th | but i need to be able to create a home dir for users that are not going to login locally... email users etc they need a home dir for using squirrelmail |
| 21:15.34 | lunitik | abrotman: you use GTK-Gnutella you said huh? |
| 21:15.35 | infernix | after upgrading from woody to sarge, samba won't respond to \\servername\ from windows clients anymore, only on \\ip.add.re.ss\ - any idea why this happens in an upgrade? |
| 21:15.42 | abrotman | lunitik: i have |
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| 21:16.01 | abrotman | if i weren't so lazy .. i'd build my miniITX box and not have to use it anymore |
| 21:16.30 | lunitik | abrotman: good choice for GTK based apps :P |
| 21:16.41 | abrotman | anyone konw a good place besides logicsupply.com in .us to get miniITX? |
| 21:17.02 | abrotman | lunitik: gtk-gnutella isn't bad ... i really liked gnut .. but i think that got killed a long time ago |
| 21:17.05 | stoned | tigerdirect? |
| 21:17.25 | lunitik | abrotman: gnutella is still active enough ... |
| 21:17.27 | abrotman | stoned: not a single result :) |
| 21:17.29 | sng | abrotman: Oregon. Oh wiat. We won't let you in. :P |
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| 21:17.34 | stoned | tigerdirect.com dude |
| 21:17.37 | stoned | also try pcclub.com |
| 21:17.43 | lunitik | abrotman: gtk-gnutella is fun when you land on a gtk-gnutella server :P |
| 21:17.45 | abrotman | dude .. i tried it |
| 21:17.47 | stoned | pcclub has the cheaperst prices by far, and probably a local store in your area |
| 21:17.51 | abrotman | sng: not funny! |
| 21:17.57 | sng | abrotman: Is to! |
| 21:18.01 | abrotman | ok .. it is |
| 21:18.02 | abrotman | i suck |
| 21:18.08 | sng | Hehe. |
| 21:18.09 | abrotman | and all the bosses think so too |
| 21:18.11 | ricochet | why won't my iwconfig config an essid with "ap with spaces in name" ? |
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| 21:18.16 | sng | So do I. So do I. |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | stoned: zilch and nada |
| 21:18.31 | abrotman | ricochet: spaces are evil |
| 21:18.39 | geemark | lunitik, Trek00: how does basic http auth work in "links"? it simply says "401 Unauthorized", but does not prompt me for login |
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| 21:19.26 | stoned | abrotman, you mean they don't have mini Itx or the domains dont' exist |
| 21:19.30 | stoned | cuz im on both websites right now |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | stoned: search for 'itx' .. nothing |
| 21:19.41 | ricochet | abrotman: unfortunately I do not make the names for APs. there must be a work around? |
| 21:19.44 | stoned | ahh |
| 21:19.49 | abrotman | ricochet: put it in quotes ? |
| 21:20.05 | ricochet | abrotman: tried quotes, tried \ escapes.. |
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| 21:20.14 | abrotman | tried ' and " ? |
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| 21:20.27 | ricochet | abrotman: didnt try ' |
| 21:20.33 | ricochet | abrotman: trying... |
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| 21:22.36 | nsx | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../libX11.a(XlcDL.o)(.text.__i686.get_pc_thunk.cx+0x0): first defined here |
| 21:22.42 | nsx | any idea why i'm geting this error? |
| 21:22.43 | nsx | *getting |
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| 21:23.13 | nsx | i'm guessing it's a problem with debian that's as-of-yet-unnoticed .. i imagine not many people ever try to statically-link X apps |
| 21:23.18 | Led_Zeppelin | is it recommended to compile xen or use the binary? |
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| 21:24.11 | novata_peleona | abrotman, hi friend..... |
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| 21:24.27 | lunitik | Led_Zeppelin: does the binary work for you? |
| 21:24.38 | lunitik | Led_Zeppelin: if so, why compile? |
| 21:24.50 | LinuxHelp | <-- debian testing, what do I install to get my power button working? |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | friend?!!?! |
| 21:24.56 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: acpid |
| 21:25.03 | abrotman | novata_peleona: what's up? |
| 21:25.10 | mlecha | Hi- I need to to apt-get install udev or apt-get update udev.. My etch install hangs loading root. I need to edit /etc/fstab, but it's read-only since I've booted a knoppix live disk to get here.. |
| 21:25.28 | novata_peleona | abrotman, i wanna ask you for a problem. |
| 21:25.39 | smacnay | how does one alter a startup script like ddclient? It is already run on boot but I would like to add some options to how it runs. |
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| 21:25.44 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik: no, it really does not work for me. |
| 21:25.54 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik; the binary does not have DomU kernels |
| 21:25.55 | lunitik | mlecha: what does using knoppix have to do with a mounted harddrive? |
| 21:26.02 | abrotman | novata_peleona: just ask |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | you don't have to ask me |
| 21:26.42 | mlecha | lunaphyte: I can't boot etch any more after doing an upldate with synaptic, see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=456246 |
| 21:26.45 | lunitik | abrotman: I want to ask you for a problem too :D |
| 21:26.51 | beardy | sng: sng doesn't like us? |
| 21:26.58 | lunitik | abrotman: cuz I'm bored and need something to fix :o |
| 21:27.02 | abrotman | lunitik: you don't want the answer |
| 21:27.06 | sng | beardy: Naw, I like you fine. :) |
| 21:27.13 | abrotman | it's just me he hates! |
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| 21:27.30 | beardy | Hehe |
| 21:27.33 | beardy | !beer sng |
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| 21:27.51 | abrotman | likeylike? |
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| 21:27.58 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy |
| 21:27.59 | ricochet | abrotman: no go on the different quotes |
| 21:28.02 | sng | abrotman: Indeedy. |
| 21:28.09 | novata_peleona | abrotman, i cant get more than 20kb for download with amule. In /home/user/.aMule/amule.conf MaxDownload is set to 20. I changed it to 0 but a moment after, its again set it to 20. I tried keeping out write permision, but amule change it into 20 again. I tried too with owner root and idem |
| 21:28.10 | ricochet | abrotman: is there an iwconfig alternative? |
| 21:28.15 | LinuxHelp | or maybe thats because I started it twice? |
| 21:28.25 | geemark | lunitik: I installed LINKS2, but when I click the "Save settings" button, nothing happens - do I need to explicitly enable Jscript? |
| 21:28.34 | LinuxHelp | well anyway power button still not registering |
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| 21:28.42 | g333k | Hi, how can I install VMWare in DEbian etch? |
| 21:28.46 | smacnay | I ran dpkg-reconfigure ddclient and sorted everything out. |
| 21:29.02 | lunitik | geemark: its enabled by default here... check Recommends ? |
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| 21:29.28 | LinuxHelp | ye. nm I'll work it out |
| 21:29.31 | beardy | g333k: Read it's documentation, it's proprietary. |
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| 21:29.48 | abrotman | novata_peleona: i know ZILCH about *mule |
| 21:29.55 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: have to load the modules |
| 21:29.56 | g333k | beardy, there's no deb pkgs? |
| 21:30.04 | lunitik | abrotman: you know what I stated earlier :D |
| 21:30.07 | abrotman | ricochet: not that i'm aware of .. check the man page |
| 21:30.13 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, no no, I really did start it twice |
| 21:30.30 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: eh .. maybe it doesn't support your button ? no idea |
| 21:30.56 | beardy | g333k: Not in Debian atleast no. Ask the people that seels it if they have .debs. |
| 21:31.02 | beardy | sells |
| 21:31.42 | amphi | lunitik: depends on the acpi script |
| 21:31.43 | beardy | lunitik: Do you two have the exact same motherboard and bios? |
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| 21:31.57 | lunitik | beardy: unlikely |
| 21:32.04 | lunitik | beardy: good point though |
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| 21:32.55 | beardy | lunitik: Then that's likely the cause, your acpi works, his don't. If you haven't touched it at all, neither of you, that is. |
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| 21:33.59 | beardy | lunitik: ("work" may mean different things though, depending on what you want it to do, if you want yours to act the way it does, then it works :) ) |
| 21:34.26 | lunitik | beardy: what else would you want the power button to trigger? :o |
| 21:34.38 | lunitik | beardy: maybe reboot |
| 21:34.39 | beardy | lunitik: Power, like it says. |
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| 21:35.09 | LinuxHelp | OSFL.p..`.!MCTH\_OS_.Microsoft Windows.p..`.7MCTH\_OS_.MicrosoftWindowsME: Millennium Edition.p..`.`.O.MCTH.....h.i..r.h..`. |
| 21:35.12 | LinuxHelp | wtf |
| 21:35.31 | beardy | Otherwise I would tape it over with a Halt sign, and call it the Haltbutton. |
| 21:35.38 | LinuxHelp | I'll never escape windows noooo |
| 21:35.56 | lunitik | beardy: mine doesn't say "power" on it? it says "E" |
| 21:36.10 | lunitik | beardy: its just a button imo |
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| 21:38.05 | Guerin | sut down? |
| 21:38.10 | Guerin | why would you do such a thing? |
| 21:38.31 | beardy | Yeah, that too. |
| 21:38.43 | sng | Guerin: Insanity? |
| 21:38.50 | shwag | how can I clean proftpd from my system ? |
| 21:38.57 | lunitik | Guerin: I can't remember the last time I shut down my box... but thats besides the point :) |
| 21:39.01 | beardy | lunitik: Not every power supply has such a switch. I have one on this box Iäm sitting at, but that's the only one of my boxes that has one. |
| 21:39.02 | Guerin | sng: i would have said delusion, but that's still plausoible |
| 21:39.05 | azeem | shwag: apt-get remove it |
| 21:39.31 | lunitik | shwag: dpkg -P proftpd or apt-get remove --purge proftpd or aptitude purge proftpd |
| 21:39.33 | sng | Guerin: Hehe. Fair enough. |
| 21:39.42 | lunitik | shwag: pick one |
| 21:39.54 | beardy | lunitik: I wonder what "E" is meant to mean then. "Electricity"? |
| 21:40.20 | lunitik | azeem: that doesn't "clean" it... |
| 21:40.31 | LinuxHelp | E for experiment(al) |
| 21:40.53 | LinuxHelp | I've got a big L |
| 21:40.54 | mlecha | I have a botched debian etch that won't boot, after a synaptic update failed lto update udev.. I need to edit /etc/fstab.. I've booted a knoppix linve cd, but the drive is Read-Only,.. I need help to umount the drive, then mount it as Read-Write... any takers? |
| 21:40.58 | lunitik | beardy: idk... its an e-machines case ... never occured to me to look up what the e means |
| 21:41.20 | Vasistha | mlecha: man mount |
| 21:41.56 | Vasistha | mlecha: it ought to be possible to remount the drive ... but that's actually a knoppix question, knoppix may have some built-in restriction that we in #debian don't know about |
| 21:42.21 | shwag | lunitik, is it normal to leave /etc/proftpd.conf even after --purge ? |
| 21:42.24 | stoned | man |
| 21:42.28 | stoned | I don't like shwag |
| 21:42.32 | stoned | :( |
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| 21:42.59 | stoned | but then again, I have no choice, all this fucking town has is shwag |
| 21:43.00 | lunitik | Vasistha: if he's trying to unmount or eject the cdrom drive that the live cd is in... no live cd allows that, purposely |
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| 21:43.12 | lunitik | stoned: you just need better hook-ups |
| 21:43.23 | stoned | man, I've bene searching for hydro since I moved here |
| 21:43.25 | stoned | no dice |
| 21:43.32 | shwag | stoned, makes for slow programing skills |
| 21:43.32 | stoned | I did score some NYC Sour Deisel last year |
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| 21:43.45 | stoned | I don't code fulltime, only freelance for an oil company |
| 21:43.46 | Vasistha | lunitik: I can't imagine he's trying to umount the cd drive, then mount it as read-write ... he *must* be talking about the hdd |
| 21:43.49 | lunitik | stoned: should at least be able to find nice chronic ... |
| 21:43.58 | stoned | plus they want me to use Visual Studio for .NET so its easy to code |
| 21:44.06 | stoned | code generation templates and other handy utils |
| 21:44.07 | lunitik | Vasistha: ahh... I wasn't following along... |
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| 21:44.18 | LinuxHelp | (23:30:04) abrotman: LinuxHelp: have to load the modules... which modules would those be then? |
| 21:44.24 | lunitik | mlecha: mount -o rw |
| 21:44.32 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: loading the apcid should load them |
| 21:44.35 | lunitik | mlecha: does it say why it doesn't want to? |
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| 21:44.49 | shwag | is there a guide where I can learn all the actually needed stuff about debian that would difffer from other distros. I am coming from gentoo. |
| 21:44.56 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, I have a static kernel.. so I need to know what I need to enable |
| 21:44.57 | stoned | !grounding |
| 21:44.57 | Vasistha | mlecha: also, have you tried booting a different kernel? Dunno if you have, e.g., a 2.4 installed |
| 21:44.57 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 21:45.00 | Led_Zeppelin | if I were to compile the kernel, how do I get the current settings into a .config file? |
| 21:45.19 | stoned | !tell shwag -about dpkgbot |
| 21:45.35 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:46.08 | zzz | Hi! If i have configured a hardware raid5 for 3 harddisks, what should i see with a debian installer cd? I mean all the three disks, or only one device, which has got 600GB capacity? (each disk 300GB). |
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| 21:46.35 | lunitik | zzz: one disk |
| 21:46.41 | Bushmills | Mad_Zeppelin: zcat /proc/config.gz > file |
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| 21:46.59 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: probably the whole acpi section |
| 21:47.13 | lunitik | zzz: would be 300GB not the capacity of all disks |
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| 21:47.16 | Bushmills | ehm ... s/Mad/Led/ |
| 21:47.44 | zzz | lunitik: um, i forgot to tell, i meant to configure in the BIOS. |
| 21:48.08 | zzz | so if i configure it in BIOS, should i see then only one disk (600GB)? |
| 21:48.46 | lunitik | zzz: it would be the capacity of each disk... not all disks combined |
| 21:48.49 | abrotman | if there are three 300GB disks in RAID5 .. it will be 600GB |
| 21:49.17 | lunitik | abrotman: wait... why would it result in 600GB? |
| 21:49.54 | Bitz | i just install keychain, and i edit .bash_profile. there is no ~/.keychian/... was created during the install do need manual set this up? |
| 21:49.57 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, was quite strange, my acpi was enabled but nothing underneath, so I just enabled buttons |
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| 21:50.51 | Bitz | never mind, i got it. |
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| 21:51.09 | zzz | lunitik: You mean it should be 900GB? |
| 21:51.14 | Vasistha | alright, I'm going to have another go at getting apm working in the 2.6 kernel. I've heard mixed opinions about whether I need to compile APM support into the stock sarge 2.6 kernel, or if it's already there. Anybody know? |
| 21:51.15 | zzz | (in this case?). |
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| 21:51.33 | LinuxHelp | zzz, please note that there is "fake" hardware raid and then there is hardware raid |
| 21:51.39 | CHodapp | Ok, I did only a small install, because I needed to build MadWifi first and then get back. How do I get to the beginning configuration menu, particularly where it asks me what repository I want to use? |
| 21:51.43 | joefoe_ | any users of backports.org? Is there a problem with the package list? |
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| 21:51.46 | LinuxHelp | fakeraid = 3 disks, hardware raid = 1 disk |
| 21:51.51 | CHodapp | I know about dpkg-reconfigure but I don't know the package name |
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| 21:52.13 | Vasistha | CHodapp: are you referring to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:52.35 | CHodapp | Perhaps, but I'd prefer to get to the menu that configures it for me |
| 21:52.48 | lunitik | abrotman: striped parity ... so one disk handles parity, and 2 handle striping? |
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| 21:53.23 | zzz | LinuxHelp: If i' m not mistaken, it' s not a real hardware raid, so then it should be fakeraid, but in this case, should i do everything from software? |
| 21:53.34 | lunitik | abrotman: 2 that handle striping can be used to full capacity? |
| 21:54.07 | LinuxHelp | zzz, the only reason you dont want to use fakeraid, is that it might not be compatible with other mboards |
| 21:54.32 | lunitik | zzz: ignore what I said... abrotman is correct (and you were from the start) |
| 21:54.40 | CHodapp | Vasistha: still no idea? Or even just a way to have dpkg-reconfigure list what packages I can configure? |
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| 21:55.40 | zzz | lunitik: ok, ok, but my problem is, that i see 3 devices (sda,b,c), and i don' t see any device, which has got 600gb capacity. What should be its name? |
| 21:55.48 | LinuxHelp | zzz, If you dont want to use fakeraid, then you should turn it off in the bios, although please note that sw can be quite difficult to set up |
| 21:55.53 | Vasistha | CHodapp: oh, sorry, didn't see the last message because you didn't highlight. Honestly, why don't you just hand-edit your sources.list ? The syntax isn't difficult |
| 21:56.06 | jade | when i cd /mytmp/html, i'm getting 'cannot bash: cd: html: Input/output error' ? |
| 21:56.28 | lunitik | zzz: if you see 3 harddrives, you don't have RAID 5 setup (which you already stated you forgot to do) ... so you should reboot, set that in BIOS, and start over |
| 21:56.38 | zzz | LinuxHelp: It' s turned on in bios, but i see the same devices, with the same capacity when i turn it off, and on. Is it normal? |
| 21:56.44 | lunitik | zzz: unless you want to set up software RAID every time you install a new OS |
| 21:56.52 | Vasistha | jade: that smells suspiciously like some kind of weird disk error. Have you done a badblocks scan lately? |
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| 21:57.37 | zzz | lunitik: no, i wanna hw raid5, and now i' m in its bios.. |
| 21:57.46 | jade | Vasistha, no what should i run to check that? fsck ? |
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| 21:58.02 | Vasistha | jade: fsck and badblocks |
| 21:58.05 | LinuxHelp | zzz, then I would say you have fakeraid, so google on whether your mboard is supported, and then google on how to do it |
| 21:58.23 | jade | Vasistha, does it require i umount the device first? |
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| 21:58.39 | Vasistha | jade: probably, though I don't remember off the top of my head. man fsck, man badblocks |
| 21:58.46 | lunitik | zzz: linux doesn't know/care about hw raid, it just deals with the result (in this case a 600GB harddrive if done correctly) |
| 21:58.52 | zzz | lunitik: and i see this in the bios : (boot,status, vendor, array, model name) : (yes, healthy, nvidia, raid5, 596.18G) |
| 21:59.33 | LinuxHelp | I myself opted to turn off fakeraid in bios and install entirely through software... but that was raid 1 :) |
| 21:59.51 | Vasistha | zzz: if linux is able to see three drives, sda, sdb, sdc, then the bios is not presenting the array to linux as a raid array -- the bios is presenting three disks to linux |
| 22:00.01 | Firestarter | Anyone have suggestions for getting a Belkin wireless network adapter to work? |
| 22:00.20 | Vasistha | Firestarter: google.com/linux belkin <and your model number> |
| 22:00.27 | zzz | Vasistha: yes, unfortunately, and it means, that i have fakeraid, right? |
| 22:00.55 | Vasistha | zzz: this is not something I know about, I've never set up a raid array ;-) but I would assume so |
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| 22:01.27 | LinuxHelp | afaik fakeraid is: sw raid with bios assisted boot |
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| 22:02.34 | zzz | LinuxHelp: What is the difference between fakeraid, and if i do raid5 from software? |
| 22:02.55 | LinuxHelp | zzz, booting will be more complex with the raid5 I suppose |
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| 22:03.20 | Vasistha | so, I gather it's considered a bad idea to compile the kernel as root. What's the recommended permissions setup for /usr/src ? |
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| 22:03.52 | LinuxHelp | zzz, although you might be lucky enough to have the installer set it up correctly for you |
| 22:04.10 | lunitik | Vasistha: you *have* to 'make install' as root (unless you use something like kernel-package) |
| 22:04.22 | lunitik | Vasistha: everything else can be done as a normal user though... |
| 22:04.28 | zzz | What installer You mean, and what did i set up? :- ). |
| 22:05.00 | Vasistha | lunitik: is there some kind of inherent security risk to doing the compilation as root? I just hate dealing with all the file system permissions headaches |
| 22:05.02 | LinuxHelp | zzz er.. rephrase? |
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| 22:05.13 | war95 | LinuxHelp: I did a raid5-rehsape today, up to 2.6TB raid5 ;) |
| 22:05.19 | war95 | actually a couple days ago |
| 22:05.20 | war95 | but it worked |
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| 22:05.28 | LinuxHelp | yay war95 /o/ |
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| 22:05.38 | LinuxHelp | :) |
| 22:05.57 | lunitik | Vasistha: just that you have a process farting to console as root ... note however that Gentoo users don't seem to care |
| 22:06.15 | LinuxHelp | war95, zzz wants to know whether to use fakeraid or sw raid |
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| 22:06.21 | Arclithion | Is there an _easy_ way to downgrade a package? I'd prefer to use aptitude if possible. |
| 22:06.36 | war95 | LinuxHelp: SW raid 100% |
| 22:06.43 | war95 | LinuxHelp: DMraid (fakeraid) isn't even in the stock kernel |
| 22:06.55 | war95 | LinuxHelp: and I am on all the mailing lists, dmraid has problems (more so than sw raid) |
| 22:07.02 | war95 | LinuxHelp: so SW raid for sure |
| 22:07.04 | LinuxHelp | ya hear that zzz? |
| 22:07.11 | Detox | quick question,,, I have ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to adjsut the video,, and it does not mention resolution at al,,, how can I adjsut to set it to max of 800x600? |
| 22:07.35 | Detox | right now all it does is scroll i get no picture |
| 22:08.04 | zzz | LinuxHelp: yes, i have read it. Maybe some of You could give me a howto how to do it (maybe with crypto :- ) ). |
| 22:08.16 | lunitik | Detox: for that... just remove other resolutions... although note it will be trying to use 800x600 if 1024x768 fails (which it obviously does in your case) |
| 22:08.26 | LinuxHelp | zzz, theres plenty on google, that I've seen |
| 22:08.32 | Detox | ok remove from xorg.conf right? |
| 22:08.33 | war95 | brb |
| 22:08.58 | LinuxHelp | zzz, but first step is disable raid in bios, and then pretend its not there |
| 22:09.06 | Detox | and do i need to remove ALL reference to it in each section? |
| 22:09.20 | lunitik | Detox: you need to look into your monitor handbook though, and see what it says about virtical and horizontal refresh rates... and ensure xorg.conf is correct |
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| 22:09.30 | lunitik | Detox: yes... just remove from xorg.conf |
| 22:09.35 | zzz | LinuxHelp: ok, ok, i' ll do it, just there is a driver from nvidia/ nforce for it, and i want to try it out with knoppix. |
| 22:09.39 | Detox | i have none it is as dell inspirion 2500 laptop |
| 22:09.49 | Detox | all it says is chipset is intel |
| 22:09.50 | lunitik | Detox: depends if its failing to set 24bit color... |
| 22:10.11 | Detox | will adjust that to 16bit colour also |
| 22:10.14 | CHodapp | I have a package that apt-get doesn't believe is installed (I built from source, and it wants to remove it because I'm on AMD64 and a dependency can't be built, or something)... how can I make it shut up about it? |
| 22:10.17 | lunitik | Detox: should still come with a manual, and there should still be information regarding the display |
| 22:10.20 | Detox | and ,,, will call dell tomorrow |
| 22:10.22 | Detox | nope |
| 22:10.29 | Detox | even on website |
| 22:10.33 | LinuxHelp | zzz, no really, dont bother, you will be able to get bios raid to work... but its a bad idea |
| 22:10.51 | nsx | are there any debian developers around? |
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| 22:11.03 | lunitik | nsx: what is your specific question? |
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| 22:11.10 | Detox | here look ---- I'll hold the book up tp my monitor................ see? |
| 22:11.21 | LinuxHelp | lol |
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| 22:11.25 | Detox | haha |
| 22:11.27 | Detox | oh well |
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| 22:11.34 | Detox | will tackle it again tomorrow |
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| 22:11.41 | Detox | thanks for your patience |
| 22:11.57 | Detox | have a great evening, or day, depending where u r at |
| 22:12.00 | zzz | LinuxHelp: well, ok, i disabled raid5 in bios already. |
| 22:12.17 | MatBoy | Does someone run a Pentium D processor here ? |
| 22:12.31 | zzz | so there is no disjs in the list of "array disks". |
| 22:12.32 | lunitik | !ask |
| 22:12.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:12.32 | abrotman | lunitik: am i ever wrong?! |
| 22:12.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: i have some in the office .. why? |
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| 22:12.45 | nsx | lunitik: i don't have one, i just want to report a bug, but i don't feel like going through the formal process |
| 22:12.46 | LinuxHelp | MatBoy, Pentium C > Pentium D |
| 22:12.57 | MatBoy | abrotman, how is your performance experience with under lInux ? |
| 22:12.58 | nsx | because i'm busy right now |
| 22:13.00 | zzz | LinuxHelp: sorry, my english is not good, what does pat means? |
| 22:13.09 | LinuxHelp | okay no.. now I'm stating stupid arguments :/ |
| 22:13.09 | nsx | i suppose i'll e-mail the package developer when i get a chance |
| 22:13.10 | abrotman | MatBoy: they're windows boxes .. i thought you had a hardware question :) |
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| 22:13.16 | azeem | nsx: the developers are probably busy as well |
| 22:13.18 | LinuxHelp | must sleep |
| 22:13.19 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:13.19 | dpkg | well, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 22:13.25 | lunitik | nsx: reportbug is pretty easy :/ |
| 22:13.36 | LinuxHelp | zzz, lol |
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| 22:13.55 | MatBoy | abrotman, haha, nope :) I need a new processor, but nobody knows the performance extra's under Linux :) |
| 22:14.03 | zzz | .. |
| 22:14.07 | lunitik | nsx: or just apt-cache show pkg | grep Maintainer note the e-mail, and e-mail them |
| 22:14.23 | azeem | no |
| 22:14.39 | jade | Vasistha, said it's a bad idea to run badblocks util on the vol, instead run 'c option of the e2fsck and mke2fs' |
| 22:14.42 | azeem | always report bugs to the bug tracking system, please |
| 22:14.48 | LinuxHelp | MatBoy, just get the processor with the most Mhz.. you cant go wrong :) |
| 22:15.02 | MatBoy | LinuxHelp, what did you mean ? |
| 22:15.03 | LinuxHelp | all that nonsense about cores is exactly that |
| 22:15.13 | LinuxHelp | and optimization etc |
| 22:15.14 | MatBoy | LinuxHelp, nah... Xeon is better than a Celeron :0 |
| 22:15.24 | lunitik | nsx: ahh... ignore my second peice of advice, and go with 'apt-get install reportbug' |
| 22:15.30 | LinuxHelp | Celeron is not a processor |
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| 22:15.40 | Vasistha | jade: e2fsck ought to be good enough |
| 22:15.44 | MatBoy | LinuxHelp, ? it's a type :) |
| 22:15.50 | Gnea | LinuxHelp: neither ix xeon ;) |
| 22:15.54 | Gnea | s/ix/is/g |
| 22:15.56 | LinuxHelp | just a piece of silicon, shaped like a processor |
| 22:15.59 | abrotman | MatBoy: it's SMP .. |
| 22:16.04 | LinuxHelp | that gets really hot |
| 22:16.06 | abrotman | MatBoy: what kind of work do you do? |
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| 22:16.08 | azeem | nsx: just mail submit@bugs.debian.org and write 'Package: foo' as your first line *at least* |
| 22:16.09 | Vasistha | jade: it *is* an ext2 partition, right? :P |
| 22:16.22 | GNAM | what's happened to GLUCK.debian.org? |
| 22:16.33 | Gnea | GNAM: it got owned |
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| 22:16.43 | abrotman | !gluck compromise |
| 22:16.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, gluck compromise is it was discovered that gluck.debian.org which hosts many web services for debian.org was recently compromised, please refer to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html, or gluck was since reloaded completely and services have been restored, refer to http://tinyurl.com/ks7x2 |
| 22:16.46 | MatBoy | abrotman, some developement... I run 3 screens on Xinerama... CPU is a little bit higher... and I run Vmware with Windows in it... so I need something fast :) |
| 22:17.09 | abrotman | MatBoy: let's put it this way .. you can either run one process really fast or two decently fast .. which would you rather have?> |
| 22:17.29 | LinuxHelp | abrotman: oh thats so dramatic :/ |
| 22:17.33 | abrotman | shut it! |
| 22:17.40 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 22:17.42 | MatBoy | abrotman, I can say to vmware that it has to use the second core.. I think that is quite OK :) |
| 22:17.43 | CHodapp | Ok, so I need madwifi-tools, no AMD64 packages exist, so I built it from source. But apt-get refuses to do anything until a package that requires it is removed... |
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| 22:17.53 | MatBoy | abrotman, I was thinking about a 3.8 Ghz |
| 22:18.03 | MatBoy | but than a single core |
| 22:18.04 | abrotman | MatBoy: TBH .. i've had SMP and UP machines .. the SMP was a dream to work with |
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| 22:18.28 | CHodapp | ...anyone know how to tell apt-get to quit trying to remove it? |
| 22:18.30 | abrotman | MatBoy: i was goofing with C++ at the time .. i could have one CPU running full steam and still have a responsive machine |
| 22:18.33 | LinuxHelp | hyperthreading seems to make enough difference imo |
| 22:18.34 | softwork | why |
| 22:18.36 | softwork | xvoutput: Received X error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 22:18.46 | softwork | i have this error why? |
| 22:18.49 | MatBoy | abrotman, that is something very nice ! |
| 22:18.52 | Gnea | CHodapp: use dpkg |
| 22:18.53 | softwork | i have a ati graphic |
| 22:18.58 | abrotman | MatBoy: ask #hardware for more info |
| 22:19.00 | CHodapp | Gnea: can you tell me a bit more? |
| 22:19.01 | abrotman | MatBoy: or ##linux |
| 22:19.07 | abrotman | beer beer beer beer ... |
| 22:19.10 | Gnea | CHodapp: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 22:19.16 | zzz | well, to configure raid5, should i see a /dev/md/ directory? If yes, what module(s) should i load for it? |
| 22:19.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, okay ! thanks for you infor sharing ! |
| 22:19.19 | softwork | in tvtime i have this error xvoutput: Received X error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 22:19.19 | MatBoy | -r |
| 22:19.23 | softwork | why? |
| 22:19.25 | softwork | :/ |
| 22:19.36 | softwork | i have ati graphic |
| 22:19.51 | Gnea | !tell softwork about ask |
| 22:19.58 | Gnea | softwork: we're going to need more to go on |
| 22:20.17 | Gnea | softwork: and don't repeat. |
| 22:20.24 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 22:20.25 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:20.32 | softwork | tvtime say this error |
| 22:20.36 | softwork | :/ |
| 22:20.46 | Gnea | softwork: sorry, can't help you. |
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| 22:21.01 | CHodapp | Gnea: the package is installed, but apt-get wants to remove it because of another dependency which I built from source (no AMD64 binaries) |
| 22:21.32 | Gnea | CHodapp: so update the package to fulfill the requirements of the dependancy |
| 22:21.59 | reilithion | I just upgraded some packages. It seems to have made some software unusable. How can I restore them to their previous versions? |
| 22:22.01 | CHodapp | Gnea: no package exists, I had to build from source. |
| 22:22.02 | jade | how can i run e2fsck on an ext3 vol? |
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| 22:22.27 | Gnea | CHodapp: that's what i'm saying. rebuild it, but make sure that the version information will satisfy it. |
| 22:23.11 | Gnea | jade: type this: e2fsck /dev/hdXY, replacing 'X' with the appropriate drive letter, and 'Y' with the appropriate partition number. |
| 22:23.17 | CHodapp | Gnea: I don't know how. It's madwifi-source that I installed, and it provides all that madwifi-tools provides (as far as I can tell) but it does not recognize madwifi-tools as being present. |
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| 22:23.51 | nsx | it looks like my bug involves more than just one package |
| 22:24.04 | jade | Gnea, thanks |
| 22:24.33 | CHodapp | Gnea: if I can just somehow tell apt that it's installed, that should solve stuff, shouldn't it? |
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| 22:24.45 | Gnea | CHodapp: CHodapp then you probably want equivs |
| 22:24.47 | CHodapp | Gah. I have to run. |
| 22:25.00 | FliesLikeABrick | whats needed to give a system the ability to have a block size larger than 4096B for an ext3 filesystem? |
| 22:25.00 | Gnea | CHodapp: apt-get install equivs |
| 22:25.05 | salami | confidential |
| 22:25.07 | Gnea | CHodapp: try that, it'll do what you want |
| 22:25.23 | Gnea | FliesLikeABrick: the proper option. |
| 22:26.12 | shwag | proftpd and proftpd-mysql seem to be the exact same package. Cant find any differences. |
| 22:26.12 | FliesLikeABrick | Gnea care to expand on that a bit? |
| 22:26.24 | FliesLikeABrick | or at least point me to the right manpage? |
| 22:26.32 | FliesLikeABrick | when I make a fs with -b 8192, I can't mount it |
| 22:27.14 | FliesLikeABrick | dmesg shows EXT3-fs: Unsupported filesystem blocksize 8192 on md0. |
| 22:27.18 | simonrvn | ldd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 22:27.23 | simonrvn | shwag: ^^ |
| 22:27.24 | azeem | FliesLikeABrick: so don't do that |
| 22:27.32 | FliesLikeABrick | azeem ... |
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| 22:28.02 | azeem | FliesLikeABrick: "Valid block size vales are 1024, 2048 and 4096 bytes per block." |
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| 22:28.15 | FliesLikeABrick | azeem so you're saying that nothing beyond 4096 is possible? |
| 22:28.21 | azeem | apparently |
| 22:28.22 | FliesLikeABrick | then whats Gnea on about with "the proper option" ? |
| 22:28.28 | azeem | I only read the manpage, not the source |
| 22:29.04 | fowlduck- | what's the gimpnet channel for deb packaging? |
| 22:29.17 | fowlduck- | for assistance with it, even |
| 22:29.21 | azeem | fowlduck-: I don't think there is one |
| 22:29.34 | fowlduck- | azeem, I've been to it, just can't remember. |
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| 22:29.43 | azeem | fowlduck-: there's #debian-mentors on OFTC, AFAIK |
| 22:29.51 | fowlduck- | thats it |
| 22:29.53 | fowlduck- | right |
| 22:29.57 | fowlduck- | thanks |
| 22:30.50 | Vasistha | so, what does apt-get --purge DO anyway?? All I see in the man is "Use purge instead of remove for anything that would be removed." -- which tells me nothing about what it does differently from a simple remove |
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| 22:31.25 | FliesLikeABrick | Vasistha purge will remove things like configuration files, databases, and other files associated with an install |
| 22:31.25 | azeem | Vasistha: it removes conffiles as well |
| 22:31.25 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: man dpkg; will explain it clearly. The short answer is that it also removes conffiles for the packages you're removing. |
| 22:31.26 | reilithion | Vasistha: It removes configuration files as well as the binaries |
| 22:31.41 | Vasistha | wow, thanks!! |
| 22:32.35 | reilithion | Now that things have calmed down, could someone help me downgrade some packages to what they were before I upgraded them a minute ago? |
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| 22:32.47 | reilithion | I'm not sure how to do it |
| 22:33.01 | streuner | hm, dpkg -i <package>? |
| 22:33.34 | reilithion | streuner: you mean with the full version information? |
| 22:33.51 | streuner | sure |
| 22:34.16 | azeem | reilithion: dpkg -i takes filenames as argument |
| 22:34.18 | reilithion | Only, where do I get the files for the right version? Am I going to have to download them manually, or is there a way to ask apt to get them for me? |
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| 22:34.48 | azeem | reilithion: if they are referenced in one of the repos in your sources.list, you can also do apt-get install foo=1.2.3-4 |
| 22:35.06 | jonnylamb | reilithion: if the older versions are in your apt repository, you can install them using: apt-get install package=1.2 where 1.2 is the version number |
| 22:35.17 | streuner | reilithion: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:35.45 | reilithion | ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:35.50 | max_m | How might I use sed to replace newlines with the literal \n? I'm trying to make something a one-liner for use in a shell hack. |
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| 22:36.25 | streuner | reilithion: hm, and what doesn't work (or error message)? |
| 22:37.08 | reilithion | streuner: Both GPass and the Revelation password manager (both written in Python, I think) are failing to start up. |
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| 22:38.17 | reilithion | I suspect it was gnome-applets that broke them |
| 22:38.22 | reilithion | well, Revelation at least |
| 22:38.42 | reilithion | ImportError: could not import gnome.applet |
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| 22:39.08 | Flimzy | woot. Got GPL'ed XChat 2.6.4 in Windows now. |
| 22:39.21 | reilithion | grats, Flimzy |
| 22:39.28 | Flimzy | Not that anybody should care. |
| 22:39.45 | streuner | Flimzy: how come? Magic? |
| 22:39.46 | reilithion | Open-source-conscious windoze users will |
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| 22:40.32 | streuner | reilithion: something about in BTS? |
| 22:40.44 | reilithion | BTS? |
| 22:41.00 | streuner | !bts |
| 22:41.01 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 22:41.28 | reilithion | Haven't checked. well, time for school. I'll try figuring this out again when I get back. Thanks everyone |
| 22:41.53 | reilithion | ^ lol ^ |
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| 22:52.45 | asdx | hi i was reading the news that debian got compromised, how the hacker attacked tecnically? |
| 22:53.18 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.23 | streuner | read /topic |
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| 22:54.48 | jelly-home | Ah, so CVE-2006-2451 is exploitable. |
| 22:55.10 | dondelelcaro | yes... |
| 22:56.54 | Shadowcat | jeez |
| 22:56.59 | Shadowcat | you guys just had to close #debian-devel |
| 22:57.01 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 22:57.24 | JordiGH | Uh, what's a good sound mixer for gnome? I think the sound is turned down. |
| 22:57.37 | streuner | aumix |
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| 22:58.29 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: it's on OFTC; I thought some people were going to plan on keeping it open, but it's possible that lilo decided that it should be closed. |
| 22:58.42 | JordiGH | Thanks, streuner. |
| 22:59.08 | lilo | Shadowcat: it's not closed, it's just moved over to an unofficial channel |
| 22:59.10 | lilo | Shadowcat: it forwards |
| 22:59.24 | lilo | Shadowcat: it'd been dead for the last month, except for occasional comments |
| 23:00.00 | lilo | Shadowcat: it was forwarded because of network policy requirements |
| 23:00.25 | lilo | Shadowcat: the official channel has been OFTC for ages |
| 23:00.43 | dondelelcaro | lilo: that's actually a bit incorrect; there isn't an offical channel |
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| 23:01.09 | lilo | dondelelcaro: you know, I'm not an expert on this stuff....some people call it a Debian move, some people call it a pointer move 8) |
| 23:01.20 | jelly-home | PhorceP: I couldn't find it either, so eventually I did this: purged xserver-xorg. Purged old removed-but-not-purged xserver-xfree86; I may have purged xserver-common too but not sure now. Moved away all /etc/X11/{XF86Config,xorg.conf}* files. Took a look into debconf cache (found a small and irrelevant config). Reinstalled xserver-xorg. |
| 23:01.29 | lilo | dondelelcaro: since nobody actually voted to move the pointer to OFTC, I'm just going to do the best I can with the limited public information I have ;) |
| 23:01.55 | dondelelcaro | lilo: we have channels on many different networks; what channels people are in and active in is purely their decision |
| 23:02.11 | lilo | dondelelcaro: well, all that was on that channel was a pointer to OFTC 8) |
| 23:02.14 | Ronin | phew at least its not confusing ;) |
| 23:02.15 | dondelelcaro | lilo: where the domain names point is a decision made by the DPL and/or his delegates |
| 23:02.20 | lilo | hehe Ronin |
| 23:02.23 | sid | lilo / dondelelcaro Is #debian going to foward to ##debian soon? |
| 23:02.29 | dondelelcaro | sid: no. |
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| 23:02.30 | lilo | sid: it looks active to me |
| 23:02.38 | Vasistha | So I have these longstanding questions about compiling the kernel.... 1) If I make menuconfig and just keep all the default options, that should compile a kernel that's functionally equivalent to the debian stock kernel, right? |
| 23:02.38 | lilo | sid: no reason to forward it anywhere |
| 23:02.40 | dondelelcaro | or at least, I'd object. |
| 23:02.43 | sid | So is this "official" debian channel? |
| 23:02.43 | azeem | I think there just was a huge desire to merge #debian-devel to one channel at last |
| 23:02.49 | sid | I thought ##debian meant unofficial. |
| 23:02.57 | lilo | sid: if it becomes nothing but a pointer to another network, it'll get changed over |
| 23:02.59 | hunterp | sid: do you need official advice? |
| 23:03.03 | dondelelcaro | sid: there isn't an official channel |
| 23:03.04 | azeem | and this irc.d.o change was seen (subconciously) as a good occasion |
| 23:03.20 | sid | dondelelcaro: o |
| 23:03.22 | dondelelcaro | this just happens to be one that some people are on |
| 23:03.26 | lilo | sid: all I know is that Debian registered its group on freenode, so as long as it uses its channels it has complete control over them |
| 23:03.34 | lilo | sid: assuming that there are no conflicts with network policy |
| 23:03.35 | sid | dondelelcaro: irc.debian.org isn't official? |
| 23:03.37 | streuner | hunterp: well, it helps ;-) |
| 23:03.44 | lilo | sid: we're told not 8) |
| 23:03.53 | dondelelcaro | sid: it's just a pointer for convenience. It doesn't bless anything as "official" |
| 23:04.00 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: well, isn't it better to point people to where there's more activity? |
| 23:04.01 | sid | k |
| 23:04.09 | lilo | dondelelcaro: as I say, different people say different things, so we're just doing what we can to figure it all out |
| 23:04.18 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: there's activity in both channels |
| 23:04.22 | lilo | jelly-home: if they point it to OFTC, there'll be more activity on OFTC |
| 23:04.27 | sid | Why doesn't freenode acquire oftc. Then that solves everything. |
| 23:04.28 | sid | heh |
| 23:04.35 | sid | lilo you see #tor ? |
| 23:04.39 | azeem | I think it was a good idea to close down #debian-devel, but this channel should stay as long as there is traffic |
| 23:04.49 | lilo | sid: I think OFTC has had in mind all along the idea of acquiring freenode, they may be difficult to convince :) |
| 23:05.04 | JordiGH | !wtf oftc |
| 23:05.05 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 23:05.33 | beardy | !fable |
| 23:05.33 | dpkg | somebody said fable was http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 23:05.33 | hunterp | JordiGH: irc.oftc.net |
| 23:05.47 | streuner | beardy: fable has nothing to do with that, IMHO :-) |
| 23:05.52 | lilo | JordiGH: irc.debian.org points to OFTC |
| 23:05.53 | JordiGH | The dpkg bot should so have oftc built into it. :-) |
| 23:06.10 | JordiGH | Er, "wtf built into it" |
| 23:06.15 | lilo | hehe |
| 23:06.19 | lilo | either way seems to work :) |
| 23:06.24 | beardy | streuner: whatever |
| 23:06.40 | lilo | OFTC is a part of the SPI legal entity as is Debian, so I guess I see them as basically the same organization |
| 23:06.45 | streuner | maybe some people have problems with strong personality... |
| 23:06.54 | streuner | but that's it. |
| 23:07.36 | nsx | SMTP send failure: {'submit@bugs.debian.org': (550, 'relay not permitted')} |
| 23:07.36 | nsx | Wrote bug report to /tmp/reportbug-general-20060713-29433-5IgyCe |
| 23:07.37 | zinx | damn that Software Pirates, Inc, not buying anything from Microsoft |
| 23:07.42 | nsx | so much for sending the bug report |
| 23:07.51 | JordiGH | Hmmm... |
| 23:07.53 | JordiGH | http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aspi&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 23:08.00 | nsx | i'm beginning to not like debian.... a lot |
| 23:08.23 | nsx | CHodapp: don't pass judgement too quickly or you'll be disappointed |
| 23:08.39 | dondelelcaro | nsx: hrm... that shouldn't happen. |
| 23:08.40 | JordiGH | Yes, CHodapp... All you need is apt, (lalala...) all you need is apt... (lalala...) |
| 23:08.50 | CHodapp | nsx: oh my god... are you serious? |
| 23:08.55 | dondelelcaro | nsx: you've set bugs.debian.org as the smtp server that it's sending to, right? |
| 23:08.56 | CHodapp | you Debian bastards, you misled me |
| 23:08.57 | CHodapp | I hate you all |
| 23:09.02 | nsx | it won't be long before you'll be screaming "damn i'm tired of broken packages that won't install, such as circular dependencies!" |
| 23:09.03 | CHodapp | I'm never using Debian again |
| 23:09.12 | CHodapp | I HATE YOU ALL |
| 23:09.19 | lilo | eek |
| 23:09.19 | streuner | so just leave |
| 23:09.19 | nsx | dondelelcaro: didn't set one |
| 23:09.29 | etrask | how were you misled, CHodapp? |
| 23:09.34 | dondelelcaro | nsx: circular dependencies aren't a big deal; apt-get et al. are quite capable of dealing with them |
| 23:09.37 | CHodapp | I HA....ooh, digikam finished installing *runs off* |
| 23:09.53 | dondelelcaro | nsx: send me the message that you sent and the host that you're sending it from. |
| 23:09.59 | etrask | oh yeah... I don't have OPs here |
| 23:10.00 | etrask | darn |
| 23:10.10 | nsx | how about just uninstallable packages in general then :P |
| 23:10.19 | azeem | nsx: on stable? |
| 23:10.38 | nsx | there seem to be more on stable than on testing/unstable |
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| 23:10.42 | nsx | especially x11 apps |
| 23:10.47 | dondelelcaro | nsx: like what? |
| 23:11.15 | nsx | in fact, i do believe that xorg *itself* was uninstallable |
| 23:11.20 | nsx | yep |
| 23:11.20 | nsx | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:11.20 | nsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.22 | nsx | E: Broken packages |
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| 23:11.29 | nsx | i had to apt-get -t testing |
| 23:11.30 | quitte | nsx stable doesnt have xorg |
| 23:11.33 | dondelelcaro | nsx: uh... xorg isn't in stable. |
| 23:11.43 | nsx | why did it say it was? |
| 23:11.47 | dondelelcaro | nsx: if you're mixing and matching stable and testing, well, you get what you deserve. |
| 23:11.48 | nsx | why didn't it say that instead? |
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| 23:12.04 | JordiGH | nsx: What does your /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 23:12.21 | beardy | nsx: Don't blame Debian for your mistakes. |
| 23:12.23 | dondelelcaro | nsx: because you explicitely asked for the package to be installed, and the only one existing was in testing. |
| 23:12.40 | paotzu | dang, they should have named this distro "IanRah" |
| 23:12.46 | nsx | beardy: there are a ton of uninstallable packages, either way |
| 23:12.52 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, the testing one had the highest priority) |
| 23:12.56 | nsx | there are definitely a lot in testing/unstable |
| 23:13.11 | cafuego | nsx: Yep. Remove then ones they depend on one by one (by hand) then downgrade whatever got upgraded incorrectly. |
| 23:13.14 | JordiGH | paotzu: Rah? |
| 23:13.21 | azeem | there is *1* in testing right now I believe |
| 23:13.27 | dondelelcaro | nsx: there are some in unstable, but that's generally because it takes a while for NEW processing. There shouldn't be any in testing (although sometimes it happens because packages get removed) |
| 23:13.28 | paotzu | I guess no H |
| 23:13.29 | nsx | bs |
| 23:13.31 | RvGaTe | something is using all my cpu power atm, and my gnome interface isn't working... hmmm :P |
| 23:13.36 | nsx | there are definitely more than 1 |
| 23:13.40 | paotzu | IanRa linux |
| 23:13.46 | Vasistha | RvGaTe: top ? |
| 23:13.49 | paotzu | or RaIan |
| 23:13.52 | JordiGH | paotzu: GNU/Linux. :P |
| 23:13.56 | beardy | nsx: You are mixing packages and complain, that's even worse than running sid without knowing what you are doing. |
| 23:13.57 | azeem | nsx: http://blogs.turmzimmer.net/2006/07/13#rm-xorg-3 |
| 23:14.00 | nsx | at least there are more than one in the amd64 branch |
| 23:14.06 | azeem | nsx: right |
| 23:14.15 | azeem | nsx: amd64 hasn't fully caught up yet |
| 23:14.16 | nsx | beardy: no, i am not mixing |
| 23:14.17 | RvGaTe | Vasistha, gnome-panel.... |
| 23:14.24 | Vasistha | ls |
| 23:14.27 | Vasistha | oops |
| 23:14.29 | azeem | 17 uninstallable on amd64 |
| 23:14.32 | nsx | beardy: my system is purely testing |
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| 23:14.44 | CHodapp | I'm running etch on AMD64 and I don't know what I'm doing, but you don't see me complaining! Except when I yelled "I HATE YOU"... |
| 23:14.44 | beardy | nsx: testing is not stable |
| 23:15.02 | nsx | beardy: did it ever occur to you that my system might not be the system i'm having problems with right now? |
| 23:15.03 | CHodapp | azeem: got a list of those? I'm on AMD64 so I kinda want to know |
| 23:15.04 | nsx | what a thought |
| 23:15.09 | azeem | CHodapp: no |
| 23:15.10 | etrask | Etch keeps crashing on my machine. Not far from what I expected |
| 23:15.14 | etrask | I'll wait for it to become stable |
| 23:15.30 | lunitik_ | *cough* |
| 23:15.34 | nsx | the system i'm messing with right now is a server here that runs stable.. i'm trying to compile a 32-bit app on it for my 64-bit system |
| 23:15.34 | lunitik_ | blah |
| 23:15.35 | azeem | CHodapp: http://ftp-master.debian.org/~aba/test-issues/ |
| 23:16.05 | beardy | nsx: Then don't say you run testing, it's the problem you are having right now that you should answr questions about. |
| 23:16.06 | CHodapp | azeem, thanks |
| 23:16.06 | JordiGH | nsx: Wow, that's highly unsupported and unstable. You have to do some deep hackery to get stuff like that to work. Essentially, a chroot. |
| 23:16.10 | RvGaTe | Vasistha, i killed the gnome-panel process, but after a few seconds it starts the load again... again on gnome-panel... gdm restart perhaps? |
| 23:16.17 | lunitik | Thats better |
| 23:16.35 | Vasistha | RvGaTe: the gnome panel is taking all your cpu resources? |
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| 23:16.47 | RvGaTe | Vasistha, thats what it says, yeah |
| 23:16.52 | nsx | JordiGH: i don't care if it's supported or not, i'm not complaining about not being able to do that |
| 23:16.55 | jelly-home | JordiGH: say, why would you need a chroot to crosscompile? |
| 23:17.11 | Vasistha | RvGaTe: weird, man, sounds like a question for #gnome though ... I'm a kde user ... though perhaps someone in here knows? |
| 23:17.25 | RvGaTe | let me restart gnome, see what happens |
| 23:17.31 | dondelelcaro | nsx: so then I'm a bit lost; what exactly is the problem? The link azeem gave tells you exactly what packages are uninstallable in testing |
| 23:17.33 | JordiGH | jelly-home: My understanding is that you need to link against 32-bit libraries, and that this is best done with a chroot, but do correct me if I'm wrong. |
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| 23:18.16 | nsx | why would you be so arrogant as to assume that every uninstallable package is already known? |
| 23:18.25 | nsx | that's like saying every bug is already known |
| 23:18.35 | nsx | uninstallable can depend on system configuration |
| 23:18.38 | dondelelcaro | nsx: if it's not installable because of broken dependencies, it can be known |
| 23:18.53 | jelly-home | JordiGH: he's trying to compile 64bit stuff on a 32bit machine. I think a chroot is not going to be useful there. |
| 23:18.54 | nsx | right |
| 23:19.11 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Oh, the other way around. Hm. I don't know anything about that. |
| 23:19.17 | dondelelcaro | nsx: if it fails complete postinst because of a bug or something wrong with your dependencies, that's a different question. |
| 23:19.20 | nsx | jelly-home: no, most people use that because 32-bit apps require 32-bit libraries on 64-bit systems |
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| 23:19.40 | nsx | the problem i'm having is that 32-bit x11 apps won't compile statically on debian |
| 23:19.45 | noob|lfs | how can i restart xorg? |
| 23:19.48 | noob|lfs | with out rebooting |
| 23:19.54 | nsx | if i replace the .a libs i'm having problems with with .a libs from other systems, it then works |
| 23:19.58 | nsx | that's the bug i was trying to report |
| 23:19.59 | JordiGH | noob|lfs: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:20.03 | noob|lfs | ok...ty |
| 23:20.05 | jelly-home | nsx: these are two different problems. |
| 23:20.23 | nsx | i imagine not many people try to compile x11 apps statically, so it's not surprising that such a problem exists |
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| 23:20.46 | JordiGH | !wayc |
| 23:20.46 | dpkg | somebody said wayc was Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
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| 23:21.16 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite nsx |
| 23:21.27 | quitte | nsx well, debian is a binary distribution |
| 23:21.27 | numist | haha |
| 23:21.28 | jelly-home | nsx: so... why do you need a statically linked X app? ;-) |
| 23:21.35 | numist | <3 dpkg |
| 23:21.39 | nsx | JordiGH: stop being a retard. some apps aren't even available in the repoository, and no static apps are |
| 23:21.41 | numist | !botsnack |
| 23:21.41 | dpkg | aw, gee, numist |
| 23:21.45 | dondelelcaro | nsx: compiling aps statically gets done all teh time; in any event, send me the mail and the ip address that you sent it from so I can see why spohr denied you. |
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| 23:21.52 | dondelelcaro | nsx: my address is don@debian.org. |
| 23:21.54 | nsx | okay |
| 23:22.12 | nsx | compiling apps statically does, but how often do people compile x11 or gtk apps statically? |
| 23:22.24 | dondelelcaro | nsx: in the meantime, reconfigure reportbug, and specify your ISPs SMTP server. |
| 23:22.31 | dondelelcaro | nsx: quite often. |
| 23:22.58 | dondelelcaro | if it's not working, it generally means that something is wrong with the .la or .a files, or the wrong arguments are being specified to the linker |
| 23:23.06 | nsx | i don't know what the smtp server is here |
| 23:23.08 | nsx | i don't live here |
| 23:23.21 | nsx | i'm just trying to compile a 32-bit version of mplayer for my laptop |
| 23:23.33 | noob|lfs | i added a higher resolution in my xorg.conf and restarted xorg server...but it is still in 640x480...what could be the problem... |
| 23:23.34 | RvGaTe | that was wierd |
| 23:23.38 | noob|lfs | 'i am running from a live-cd\ |
| 23:23.45 | JordiGH | nsx: Use marillat. |
| 23:23.54 | nsx | *ignored* |
| 23:23.54 | dondelelcaro | noob|lfs: uh... Debian doesn't have a live cd |
| 23:23.59 | etrask | hahah |
| 23:24.20 | noob|lfs | lfs...linuxfromscratch... :D |
| 23:24.43 | JordiGH | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:24.43 | dpkg | methinks marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 23:24.59 | RvGaTe | somehow i managed to put something in a panel, that couldn't fit the panel... (system monitor, all 6 bars, and a bit larger). then i tried to expand it again, that made my gnome-panel crash. it was trying to snap it, and fit everything inside it... wich was kinda impossible unless i altered the bar sizes... |
| 23:25.08 | noob|lfs | dondelelcaro, so what u think the problem could be? |
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| 23:26.03 | dondelelcaro | noob|lfs: you've got 640x480 listed first in your xorg.conf and not the resolution you actually want to use, or you don't have the right monitor specs, or your monitor doesn't actually support higher than 640x480 |
| 23:26.05 | beardy | noob|lfs: The problem is that you are not running Debian. |
| 23:26.20 | dondelelcaro | noob|lfs: in any event, whatever you're running isn't Debian, so you need to go to the channel that supports whatever distribution you're running. |
| 23:26.25 | nsx | dondelelcaro: mail sent |
| 23:26.30 | nsx | titled "Debian bug report" |
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| 23:26.42 | paotzu | he's prolly running "IanRa" |
| 23:26.46 | noob|lfs | ok thanx... |
| 23:26.52 | noob|lfs | i was a big fan of debian... |
| 23:27.01 | noob|lfs | but sadly it doesnt work in my new laptop... |
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| 23:27.13 | noob|lfs | so i thought to make a brand new distro...:D~ |
| 23:27.21 | JordiGH | noob|lfs: I heard that Kanotix is good for laptops, but that's just what I heard. |
| 23:27.24 | beardy | What a great idea. |
| 23:27.28 | noob|lfs | HAHA |
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| 23:27.44 | beardy | abrotman: You missed a funny one.. |
| 23:27.44 | Ronin | noob|lfs: doesnt work in what way |
| 23:28.06 | noob|lfs | sound doesnt work...wlan doesnt....search in google...spent one day... |
| 23:28.10 | noob|lfs | couldnt fix... |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | beardy: a funnyone ? |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | beardy: where's the log ? |
| 23:29.08 | azeem | ugh, french question marks |
| 23:29.29 | Ronin | heh french question marks? how are those different then english ones? |
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| 23:30.21 | JordiGH | azeem: Did you mean Spanish question marks? |
| 23:31.02 | azeem | Ronin: they have a space in front of them |
| 23:31.13 | jelly-home | nsx: he's right about trying marillat, he might have ready tweaks in his source packages which could help you. |
| 23:31.16 | Vasistha | So I just do not understand... both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels have APM as a kernel "module". However, apm works in 2.4, but doesn't work in 2.6. Is there some kind of package I need to install OTHER than apmd and libapm1? |
| 23:31.50 | Vasistha | ...or do I need to compile the module? |
| 23:32.31 | JordiGH | What did The Cheat ever do to you? :-( |
| 23:32.59 | petemc | cheated, probably |
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| 23:33.20 | SubStack | the cheat supports proprietary software |
| 23:33.43 | Vasistha | so does debian |
| 23:33.53 | beardy | No. |
| 23:34.08 | Vasistha | unless you mean support beyond 'makes it possible to use on' |
| 23:34.41 | JordiGH | Hm, so, version 1.0.6.1 of TeXmacs is newer than 1.0.6-8 in sid, right? |
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| 23:35.26 | petemc | nice vanity domain.. |
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| 23:36.09 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 23:36.37 | JordiGH | The maxima interface in TeXmacs is broken right now... That's what I get for dist-upgrading to sid. :-( |
| 23:38.18 | JordiGH | Should I email the TeXmacs package maintainer to update to a newer version of TeXmacs in sid which is compatible with the latest development version of maxima they've put up there? |
| 23:38.23 | rhys | does anyone know anything about netgear NICs on linux? |
| 23:38.31 | rhys | i haeve a fa32b i think. |
| 23:38.35 | rhys | i cant find much on google |
| 23:39.25 | rhys | seems like they are all closed.. |
| 23:41.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 629] by debhelper |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 23:41.06 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 23:41.34 | rhys | abrotman, ill check that, but for now i just threw in a AMD lance NIC |
| 23:41.41 | abrotman | ok |
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| 23:41.55 | JordiGH | Speaking of which, other way around, I was thinking of building a box sometime soon. If I want to avoid ATI and nvidia cards, which one should I buy? |
| 23:42.06 | rhys | shame is these netgears are brand new, a school put them in 233 P2s right befroe throwing them out... |
| 23:42.06 | abrotman | intel? |
| 23:42.08 | abrotman | matrox? |
| 23:42.10 | rhys | so nice NICs |
| 23:42.20 | JordiGH | abrotman: They have free drivers? |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | so find the right driver |
| 23:42.31 | rhys | JordiGH, whats wrong with nvidia and intel? nvidia drivers are great |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | intel does afaik .. matrox no. .. |
| 23:42.38 | abrotman | rhys: non-free drivers |
| 23:42.42 | JordiGH | rhys: nvidia doesn't have free drivers... |
| 23:42.50 | rhys | theyre free |
| 23:42.52 | beardy | The nv driver is free. |
| 23:42.52 | rhys | you download them |
| 23:42.54 | rhys | you dont pay |
| 23:42.56 | beardy | rhys: No. |
| 23:42.57 | rhys | its free |
| 23:42.58 | beardy | !free |
| 23:42.59 | dpkg | well, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 23:43.02 | beardy | rhys: NO |
| 23:43.10 | rhys | not free as in beer, free as in no money |
| 23:43.11 | JordiGH | rhys: Verbal freedom, not alcoholic freedom. |
| 23:43.29 | rhys | ... |
| 23:43.34 | abrotman | rhys: not the right kind of free |
| 23:43.37 | rhys | JordiGH, they work. whats the problem? |
| 23:43.47 | abrotman | they're not free |
| 23:44.03 | JordiGH | !info vrms |
| 23:44.10 | dpkg | vrms: (virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.11 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 23:44.10 | rhys | abrotman, you dont pay money for them, they work just fine. i dont see waht the problem is with them |
| 23:44.18 | rhys | nvidias work fine anyway |
| 23:44.19 | abrotman | rhys: they're not open source drivers .. they're not free |
| 23:44.22 | JordiGH | rhys: It's a matter of principle. |
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| 23:44.40 | abrotman | rhys: they are beer free .. not speech free .. and that matters to some |
| 23:44.41 | beardy | rhys: They are not Free Software. They are NOT Free. |
| 23:45.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: there's no free beer. :-> |
| 23:45.16 | rhys | its a matter of nvidia making the best video cards there are. and making a driver for linux. on their own, that works. and works well. and not having to pay more money to get a linux driver. |
| 23:45.17 | abrotman | there is in PA! |
| 23:45.20 | rhys | that they actually make one.. |
| 23:45.24 | sid | rhys: It's not free. |
| 23:45.24 | rhys | yay nvidia |
| 23:45.27 | JordiGH | I love this pic: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | rhys: depends on your definition of best ... as far as i'm concerned .. nvidia is total garbage |
| 23:45.50 | beardy | rhys: You can have what opinion you like, but learn the meaning of words. |
| 23:45.53 | JordiGH | rhys: You have your reasons. We have our own. Let's talk about Debian now. |
| 23:46.35 | rhys | GPL is great an all, but you take it to extremes. Why not give money to a company that actually supports the linux community? |
| 23:46.53 | JordiGH | rhys: I prefer to give money to support free software. I donate to Octave, for example. |
| 23:46.54 | beardy | rhys: Not the issue. Learn the meaning. |
| 23:47.27 | rhys | i see. |
| 23:47.59 | Ronin | JordiGH: man needs a shave and haircut in the worst way |
| 23:48.06 | beardy | rhys: I would pay them if the driver I bought were Free as in Free Software. |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | rhys: because they don't support the linux community .. they support their wallets |
| 23:49.02 | jelly-home | rhys: the drivers mostly work. When they don't work, there is no way to know what went wrong. When something else on your Linux sustem doesn't work, you can't verify what's wrong because the binary driver might have made a booboo. There are all sorts of technical problems with binary-only drivers, not only ethical ones. |
| 23:49.14 | rhys | beardy, i appreciate the amount of work that goes into making their videocards, cooling them, and making the software for them. they go out of their way to make a linux driver, when very few companies actually do that. |
| 23:49.30 | abrotman | almost every company makes binary linux drivers |
| 23:49.44 | JordiGH | Is this channel logged? |
| 23:49.54 | abrotman | not publicly .. nor should it be |
| 23:49.54 | beardy | JordiGH: By more people than you can count. |
| 23:50.14 | JordiGH | beardy: Can you suggest one url where the logs are posted with regularity? |
| 23:50.21 | JordiGH | Oh, never mind. Not publicly. |
| 23:50.40 | rhys | im new to linux. im not new to hardware and gaming. every since the 6/x series, nvidia has built the best VPU there is. end of story. ATI is ending up like Intel. AMD came out with dual core and 64 bit, and intel has been lagging behind technology wise ever since. |
| 23:51.07 | rhys | ATI is overclocking their cards, making them smaller with moores law, but not making them innovative. |
| 23:51.30 | JordiGH | rhys: ted. Damnit. |
| 23:51.30 | JordiGH | <rhys> i see. |
| 23:51.38 | JordiGH | Oops.. Sorry. mouse slip. |
| 23:51.42 | beardy | rhys: All consumer grade hardware is really crap anyway. |
| 23:51.42 | unix_infidel | rhys: that's exactly what intel did for the longest time. |
| 23:51.42 | rhys | ?? |
| 23:52.16 | JordiGH | rhys: ATI is bad too. I don't want to buy from them. |
| 23:52.54 | abrotman | rhys: you're totally not getting it .. the drivers aren't free .. some people actually care what goes onto their system .. and refuse to use binary drivers .. that includes nvidia |
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| 23:52.58 | rhys | JordiGH, ive played with both. Nvidia is amazingly better than intel. and AMD can do the same as Intel can, at half the clock cycles. |
| 23:53.20 | rhys | ...nvidia better than ATI |
| 23:53.21 | rhys | * |
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| 23:54.16 | rhys | nvm. i have work to do. as a friend of mine and i were talking about. the point is to get the toast, not to build a toaster. i only figure out about the toaster so i can make better toast. the point is still, always the toast. |
| 23:54.28 | abrotman | you idiot .. this IS NOT about nvidia vs ati |
| 23:54.41 | rhys | i know its not |
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| 23:54.47 | abrotman | so why even bring it up? |
| 23:54.49 | rhys | its about them not releasing source code |
| 23:54.53 | abrotman | they're both just as bad in this context |
| 23:55.00 | JordiGH | rhys: Please sign this license agreement that says you can only eat the toast yourself and you can't lend your toaster to your friends. |
| 23:55.04 | rhys | too bad. they dont. their driver works. they build the best hardware. |
| 23:55.13 | abrotman | it doesn't work for me |
| 23:55.33 | benkong2 | I used www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml for iptable rules. can anyone help...please my debian server won't let the LAN out |
| 23:55.39 | JordiGH | rhys: You've ever even *read* those license agreements? You probably break them anyways and didn't even know it. You can't lend Windows to a friend to check their email, for instance. That violates their license agreement. |
| 23:55.56 | abrotman | benkong2: #iptables |
| 23:55.57 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 23:55.58 | dpkg | methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 23:56.12 | rhys | JordiGH, dont you see? its free. whether they want it to be or not. :) |
| 23:56.23 | abrotman | it's NOT FREE |
| 23:56.48 | rhys | linux just gives me a chance to learn get more efficent software, and not have to *aquire* licenses all the time in windows. |
| 23:56.55 | jelly-home | rhys: it's just that the usual meaning of free used in this community is not the one you're using. |
| 23:57.00 | benkong2 | abrotman: I read that and all is working except for the rule that allows the rest of the network to see the internet. |
| 23:57.02 | abrotman | there are two kinds of free .. if you can't understand that nvidia only qualifies one of those and therefore makes it unusable for many people .. you should consider going back to first grade |
| 23:57.04 | dondelelcaro | um, right. Regardless, the licenses of windows are rather OT here. |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | i think they meant the binary driver license |
| 23:57.23 | magyar | what do i have to do, to be able to post on #freenode ? |
| 23:57.31 | abrotman | magyar: wait for voice |
| 23:57.33 | benkong2 | abrotman: I can ping the other machines and they can ping the server but they cannot get out to the internet |
| 23:57.43 | JordiGH | rhys: Do ctrl-h ctrl-p in Emacs. And read it. |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | benkong2: bad default gateway? |
| 23:57.49 | magyar | abrotman: it's been an hour |
| 23:57.51 | rhys | abrotman, of course i understand the difference. i just see those people who cant use damned good hardware because the company doesnt GPL their software, that to me seems stupid. dont question my intellegence abrotman |
| 23:58.11 | JordiGH | rhys: GPL is only one possible license. |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | rhys: because it's not good enough to justify ignoring your own morality |
| 23:58.22 | benkong2 | abrotman: route -n will that show me? |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | it shpould |
| 23:58.48 | jelly-home | rhys: not that they can't use it, they don't want to. |
| 23:59.07 | beardy | rhys: Then I'll do it instead. I question your intelligence, or atleast ability to to understand the meaning the words. |
| 23:59.15 | abrotman | rhys: it's good enough for you .. you don't have issues with using non-open-source software .. others do .. just like people might not use Opera or vmware |
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| 23:59.29 | abrotman | !beer Guerin |
| 23:59.37 | Guerin | arr |
| 23:59.47 | magyar | i have onr too |
| 23:59.48 | JordiGH | Arr? Is it Talk Like a Pirate Day already? |
| 23:59.49 | magyar | one |
| 23:59.59 | Guerin | i need no special day to arr |