| 00:00.06 | rhys | abrotman, they can fiddle with the toaster. i like toast. honey from our hives and butter from the amish up the road btw. |
| 00:00.06 | benkong2 | it shows abrotman shows my external ip as the gateway do I need to do a route add or something? |
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| 00:00.14 | rhys | bread from the amish too. wonderful dessert for me. :d |
| 00:00.26 | beardy | ... |
| 00:00.41 | JordiGH | rhys: I don't believe you read ctrl-h ctrl-p so quickly... |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | rhys: you just don't get it .. that's fine .. enjoy your ignorance |
| 00:01.07 | rhys | JordiGH, i will be damned if i install emacs |
| 00:01.14 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:01.17 | benkong2 | well eth0 does not have a gateway how can I add one? eth1 is the external nic connected to the moden and eth0 is the internal nic |
| 00:01.24 | beardy | Right, just a troll, that explains it. |
| 00:01.27 | Guerin | damned if you do, damned if you don't |
| 00:01.42 | Guerin | beardy: man interfaces |
| 00:01.42 | abrotman | benkong2: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:01.46 | Guerin | benkong2: |
| 00:01.52 | benkong2 | Guerin: yes |
| 00:01.55 | rhys | what abrotman ? do you have a problem with me enjoying my toast?! i just dont think youve had proper toast. you should come here, and i will give you good toast, and then you can get over this notion that its all the toasters fault. |
| 00:01.59 | beardy | Have a nice night/day. Don't be abusive!! .. |
| 00:02.09 | JordiGH | rhys: Fine, then read it here instead: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html |
| 00:02.31 | Guerin | hm |
| 00:02.35 | JordiGH | rhys: And DO read it! And read more of his stuff. He sounds crazy, but Debian is *GNU*/Linux for a good reason. |
| 00:02.43 | JordiGH | rhys: It can happen. And it did. |
| 00:02.46 | abrotman | rhys: perhaps you should try the glob of foo in the oven .. it is food .. it doesn't matter what it is .. it's food .. it has nutritional content .. does it matter what's in it? |
| 00:02.50 | Guerin | my bank requires their internet banking password to be no more than 8 chracters |
| 00:02.51 | dondelelcaro | rhys: the information is all there; please read it. Regardless, the philosophical underpinnings of the FOSS movement and its relation to Microsoft are OT here; discuss them in ##linux if you must. |
| 00:03.06 | dondelelcaro | (or ##politics or somewhere esle) |
| 00:03.08 | Guerin | and only alphanumeric - no topline |
| 00:03.14 | abrotman | he's not talking about windows |
| 00:03.24 | abrotman | he's tlaking about the non-free nvidia binary crap drivers |
| 00:03.25 | rhys | true. |
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| 00:03.41 | sid | Guerin: I got you beat...My bank(Commerce) won't let me pin be more then 4 characters. and it won't let me make it anything but numbers. |
| 00:03.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, I haven't been following very carefully; that was a few pages back. |
| 00:03.49 | sid | s/let me/let my |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it was a bad reference someone made |
| 00:04.01 | Guerin | sid: that's token+secret auth, though |
| 00:04.04 | rhys | i -was- talking about the nvidia drivers that look oh so pretty for my 5600xt. :) |
| 00:04.12 | Guerin | sid: no token with interweb banking |
| 00:04.13 | rhys | but anyway |
| 00:04.14 | JordiGH | rhys: Wow, you read fast. What did you think? |
| 00:04.36 | abrotman | eww .. sid lives in new jersey! |
| 00:04.43 | Guerin | JordiGH: what is this 'think' of which you speak? |
| 00:04.53 | rhys | JordiGH, i have 3 monitors in front of me. im installing debian on a friends box, talking to you, reading it, and working on getting my tape drive working on my HPPA box |
| 00:04.57 | rhys | so gimme a bit |
| 00:05.07 | abrotman | rhys: what would you do if nvidia stopped giving away drivers? |
| 00:05.13 | beardy | Guerin: Probably just some new shit made out of plastic. |
| 00:05.29 | Dewi | AcceptEnv and SendEnv don't appear to be enough to make ssh pass environment variables. Is there some other thing I need to do? |
| 00:05.47 | rhys | abrotman, bad business practice for one, and if they did, then i will switch. simple as that. this one works now, and i would be forced to buy something different that is linux compatible |
| 00:05.59 | zinx | abrotman: care to suggest a similarly capable card+open source driver combo? |
| 00:06.14 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: ssh will pass them to sshd which will set them when it spawns a shell; whether the shell obeys it or not is up to the shell. |
| 00:06.25 | Guerin | zinx: why should there be one? |
| 00:06.44 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I have a pretty standard etch system and it just doesn't seem to happen |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | zinx: i use intel cards .. but i use my PS2 to play games .. |
| 00:06.55 | zinx | Guerin: there's not. and some people require a card with similar capabilities |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | zinx: i honestly couldn't tell you the last time i played a game on my laptop |
| 00:07.10 | magyar | how can i make /etc/resolv.conf not to be over-written on reboot? |
| 00:07.13 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: /etc/ssh/sshd_config has AcceptEnv and /etc/ssh/ssh_config has SendEnv, I'm using bash... I don't know what else I can do |
| 00:07.16 | Guerin | zinx: there's no demand, because everyone is happy to use the crappy nvidia gear |
| 00:07.19 | abrotman | magyar: fix your dhclient.conf |
| 00:07.27 | zinx | abrotman: i develop them :D |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | zinx: so .. make one that works on my laptop |
| 00:07.53 | zinx | abrotman: a game? |
| 00:07.56 | abrotman | why not |
| 00:08.02 | rhys | abrotman, havnt played games in a while. but i enjoy them. and for a long while i was seriously into gaming. my computer still has better water cooling than your car, if you have anything under a 6 cylnder |
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| 00:08.16 | zinx | abrotman: there are plenty already, and they're all of a genre i don't do |
| 00:08.18 | abrotman | so why the hell do you care if you have nvidia if you're not playing games on your PC? |
| 00:08.53 | rhys | abrotman. if i was to get back into gaming seriously, i would go out and buy a 6 series nvidia card. just something |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | cheapskate |
| 00:09.04 | magyar | abrotman: its a server and it has a ppp connection, it doesnt place the peer dns but it always removes the "mydomain" and "search" derivatives, so I am stuck with "nameserver" only, on which squid and some other progs crap out |
| 00:09.04 | zinx | abrotman: i can't see the logic in 'just buy a PS2', though, to be honest |
| 00:09.05 | magyar | :( |
| 00:09.20 | magyar | "domain" |
| 00:09.27 | rhys | beardy, lol. took my 3 tries to get it right. trust me, its not pretty or shiny. junkyard, walmart, amish lumber mill scrap yard, and homedepot for a bit of plumbing |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | zinx: why not? i'm a casual gamer for starters .. the game i've played the most recently is heroes of the pacific and dragon quest VIII |
| 00:09.39 | magyar | s/mydomain/domain |
| 00:09.49 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: what is in /etc/bashrc, /etc/profile, ~/.bashrc, et al. ? Is one of them setting LANG? |
| 00:09.58 | beardy | abrotman: do you get that? |
| 00:10.00 | Guerin | zinx: i think it falls under the broad heading of 'right tool for the job' |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | beardy: get what? |
| 00:10.09 | rhys | the only nice thing is actually a shitty Swiftech waterblock. ive seen the problem to the design, when a friend of mine got a dangerden. works so much better with a tiny square of copper instead of the hulking thing ive got. |
| 00:10.09 | beardy | abrotman: what he said to me |
| 00:10.21 | abrotman | of course not .. he's amish |
| 00:10.31 | zinx | abrotman: if your argument is 'what do you do if nvidia stops releasing drivers', then it makes absolutely no sense to use the PS2 |
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| 00:10.48 | zinx | abrotman: since the entirity of the system is completely proprietary |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | zinx: eh .. i still dont' get it .. i don't have nvidia in my laptop .. |
| 00:10.55 | abrotman | zinx: it's made to play games |
| 00:11.03 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I don't know... isn't it set by the locale settings? |
| 00:11.06 | abrotman | zinx: i also don't know anything about a fuel pump |
| 00:11.07 | zinx | abrotman: i like to modify my games too |
| 00:11.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: I think the question is, wouldn't you like access to the source code of your games? |
| 00:11.23 | abrotman | zinx: i also don't know anything about my tv |
| 00:11.33 | rhys | abrotman, 300gallon per hour sumersible pond pump from kmart, 60$ |
| 00:11.33 | JordiGH | zinx: Ever worked with Wesnoth? :-) |
| 00:11.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: i just want someone to make ROTT work(without the shareware crap) |
| 00:11.47 | abrotman | rhys: you're such a redneck :) |
| 00:12.10 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it's set by a whole host of things... |
| 00:12.30 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so what is the correct way of sshing from one locale to another? |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | night beardy |
| 00:12.42 | rhys | lol. its a hack really. i got a heatercore out of a 72 dodge, about 6x6inch x 2 foot tall, in a cedar case (cedar i got from the amishmens woodscrap) with 3 120mm fans on it. |
| 00:12.48 | rhys | junkyard. |
| 00:12.56 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: ssh, see what has set the other locale, and change it if it's wrong. |
| 00:13.11 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: you can also change your .bashrc (or .bash_profile) to set LANG appropriately |
| 00:13.16 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by "change the locale"? |
| 00:13.24 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: setting LANG |
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| 00:13.34 | dondelelcaro | (or LANGUAGE, or whatever other LC_* vars you've got set) |
| 00:14.03 | JordiGH | Where can I read about locales? I was recently quite mystified that I had to create new locales in order to be able to change the language in Wesnoth. |
| 00:14.09 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so.. manually change 15 odd environment variables every time I ssh? |
| 00:14.20 | rhys | kk. dont think im too horrible against FSF. :( |
| 00:14.20 | rhys | :D |
| 00:14.20 | rhys | but anyway. i have to drop off, dinner. ttyl |
| 00:14.34 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: bashrc can only do it if bashrc knows where I am coming from |
| 00:14.47 | JordiGH | Dewi: I'm not really following, but you can put new environment variables in .bashrc |
| 00:14.48 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: uh... it's generally only one; and .bashrc will know, because SSH_CLIENT will be set. |
| 00:15.00 | Dewi | no, it's not generally only one because a lot of machines use latin1 |
| 00:15.03 | Dewi | I use utf-8 |
| 00:15.16 | Dewi | for compatibility with windows network filesystems |
| 00:15.30 | jelly-home | what does the "[ ... Packages rred ...]" in new apt-get mean (esp. the rred part)? |
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| 00:15.38 | Dewi | and generally being able to have internationalised filenames... |
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| 00:15.41 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: rr-ed. |
| 00:15.48 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's an ed diff script. |
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| 00:16.39 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: oh. I'm younger than ed, I didn't know what it means. ;-) |
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| 00:16.54 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: I use UTF-8 everywhere, actually... but in any event, you just need to see what is overriding LANG (or whatever other variables you're setting) in one of the bash startup scripts, and fix it. |
| 00:17.28 | dondelelcaro | I'm guessing that it's either /etc/profile, /etc/environment, or something similar which is setting a system wide locale for login shells. |
| 00:17.48 | Dewi | well, /etc/environment does it, if bash loads that... |
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| 00:18.10 | Dewi | but I'm not sure what change to make that doesn't remove LANG from my system altogether |
| 00:18.45 | Dewi | it seems like AcceptEnv should override the environment, not be squashed by bash startup |
| 00:19.05 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: all AcceptEnv does is set LANG when it invokes the shell. |
| 00:19.10 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: that's all it can do. |
| 00:19.23 | dondelelcaro | it can't tell bash not to touch it when bash starts up |
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| 00:19.41 | jelly-home | hmm. How can I install a single package from unstable but make sure that aptitude gets the following upgrades from testing, not unstable? |
| 00:19.44 | dondelelcaro | (well, allows LANG to be set before it starts the shell... but you get the idea. |
| 00:19.59 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: generally you don't want to do that. If you're sure you do, you use pinning to do so. |
| 00:20.25 | lunitik | I keep getting fetchmail:/etc/fetchmailrc:6: syntax error at user ... I'm currently trying "user foo there is user foo here" syntax ... what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:20.31 | bluefox83 | alright..for somedamnedrason when i set my own ip, i don't get access to my network, and i lose access to nameservers for some damned reason, how the heck do i fix that? |
| 00:20.47 | bluefox83 | cus i'm wanting to use a static up address |
| 00:20.52 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I want to take a sid version that's not old enough for testing, but will probably be in testing soon. |
| 00:20.56 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: foo isn't a valid user? |
| 00:21.11 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: right, you can use pinning to do that. /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 00:22.02 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: exact like is "user root here is lunitik there" and "user fetchmail here is user fetchmail there" |
| 00:22.23 | magyar | how can i make /etc/resolv.conf not to be over-written on reboot on a server? |
| 00:22.25 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: hrm... and id -u foo; works, right? |
| 00:22.32 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so... I'm going to have to guard every place that sets these variables with all sorts of tests? |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | magyar: are you using dhcp ? |
| 00:22.59 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to start the daemon ... this is set in /etc/fetchmailrc |
| 00:23.02 | magyar | abrotman: nope |
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| 00:23.06 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes... it wouldn't be so difficult; a if [ -z "$LANG" ]; then ... fi; would do it |
| 00:23.14 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I assume dpkg updates /etc/environment when locale changes? |
| 00:23.16 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: does the daemon take such commands? |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | magyar: something like pppoe or pppd ? |
| 00:23.24 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: it should |
| 00:23.32 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: oh, no... id -u foo; is a command. |
| 00:23.43 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: I just wanted to make sure that the foo user actually exists. |
| 00:24.01 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it's set by the locale package's configure script, iirc. |
| 00:24.29 | magyar | abrotman: i do but in ppp i specified "no peer dns" which is good and it works, now if i only could get etch to stop removing "domain" and "search" it would be grand |
| 00:24.37 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: Do you think that's where the bug lies? I want to report this as a bug. |
| 00:24.50 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it's not really a bug; everything is happening as it should. |
| 00:25.00 | abrotman | magyar: so it's not overwriting your dns servers .. just your domain and search ? |
| 00:25.09 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it may be a wishlist feature request to not override lang if its set... |
| 00:25.21 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: how is unrecognised characeters being spit at machines across ssh the correct working state? |
| 00:25.26 | magyar | abrotman: roger, it wipes those two out on every reboot |
| 00:25.44 | abrotman | though i bet your ISPs and your hardcoded dns are the same |
| 00:26.06 | magyar | abrotman: "nameserver 127.0.0.1" |
| 00:26.16 | magyar | localhost runs bind |
| 00:26.43 | magyar | abrotman: it the freakin resolconf i suspect |
| 00:26.45 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: uh... the correct working state is that it's spitting out the characters that you've told it to send |
| 00:26.51 | magyar | resolvconf |
| 00:27.07 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the terminal can't know that what's on the other end is incapable of interpreting the arbitrary byte strings that it is sending when you've told it it can |
| 00:27.16 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: no, it's spitting the bytes a program told it to send. the characters are wrong, however |
| 00:27.41 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: okay, so just give up on internationalisation then? Everyone can use ascii |
| 00:28.05 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: uh... you're not following here; the bug, if there is one, is that LANG isn't being preserved when its set in the parent process. |
| 00:28.22 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: figure out what is overriding it, change it like I've suggested, then file a wishlist bug requesting that change. |
| 00:28.50 | stew | ugh |
| 00:28.55 | stew | ECHANN |
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| 00:30.40 | Seb | if i'd like 2 debian boxes to have the same exact set of installed packages ? I did dpkg --get-selections on one, and used this as the input to dpkg --set-selections on the other, then apt-get dselect-upgrade, but it only installed missing packages, and didn't remove the ones that wereen't on the souce box... |
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| 00:31.21 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: it is definitely /etc/environment that needs the guard. I just worry that changes I make to the file will be wiped out by some automated process - the timestamp on the file is 2 weeks old |
| 00:31.22 | waiting | FOO. |
| 00:31.25 | dondelelcaro | Seb: mark all packages as automatically installed using aptitude; then umarkauto all of the packages which the other box has actually installed. |
| 00:31.34 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if that happens, it's a serious bug |
| 00:32.24 | pearl | waiting: bar :P |
| 00:32.34 | waiting | pörl :) |
| 00:32.35 | Seb | dondelelcaro: i'll confess i've never used aptitude, and this is on a woody box, not even sure it's there :\ Is there a pure apt-get/dpkg way to do this ? |
| 00:33.05 | dondelelcaro | Seb: yes, but it involves writing a longish perl oneliner |
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| 00:33.48 | Seb | dondelelcaro: hehehe, my copy-pasting skills are ok, but i also know perl, if you wish to give me the general idea :) |
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| 00:36.33 | dondelelcaro | basically, on the source box COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^.i/{print $2}' > installed_packages_source; on the target, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|awk '/^.i/{print $2}' > installed_packages_target; perl -e ' BEGIN{ open(A,q(< installed_packages_source)); my @a = <A>; $a{@a} = (1) x @a;} while (<>) { print $_ if not exists $a{$_}}' |
| 00:36.50 | dondelelcaro | < installed_packages_target; at the end there. |
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| 00:39.18 | Seb | dondelelcaro: sweet... I'll keep this one for later |
| 00:39.29 | beetlepun_ | anyone has a good link for cross compiling? |
| 00:39.46 | dondelelcaro | Seb: I didn't test it, but it should work. |
| 00:40.01 | Seb | dondelelcaro: from there I can prolly fix whatever might go wrong |
| 00:40.06 | Seb | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot, I appreciate it |
| 00:40.08 | xored | !paste |
| 00:40.08 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 00:40.24 | dondelelcaro | Seb: np |
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| 00:41.09 | Jemt | Hm, fonts look great in X, but looks nasty in ie Firefox. How can I solve this ? |
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| 00:47.00 | Seb | dondelelcaro: somehow that didn't filter anything, and it was too much perl for a simple python person like myself ;) So I went with that: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|awk '/^.i/{print $2}' | while read p ; do grep -q $p /packages-3.7.txt || echo $p ; done | xargs apt-get remove --yes |
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| 00:48.22 | Seb | and --force-yes too it seems |
| 00:49.13 | p0t | what do i do when grub boots up fine once. then the computer frezzes and then after a reboot it tells me that no operating system is found |
| 00:50.12 | Dewi | p0t: got to be more than a mere system freeze |
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| 00:53.19 | nooby_god | Does anyone here run debian sid? |
| 00:53.26 | zinx | !anyone |
| 00:53.27 | nooby_god | I was recomended to look into it |
| 00:53.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:53.52 | nooby_god | Is Debian sid good for usage? or is it always broken |
| 00:54.05 | zinx | you should consider it to be broken, even when it isn't |
| 00:54.25 | asg | nooby_god: if you have to ask, it isn't good for usage |
| 00:54.25 | p0t | Dewi, yea i know but what |
| 00:54.25 | nooby_god | is there a way to run debian but have the latest programs |
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| 00:54.28 | p0t | ive never used debian before |
| 00:54.29 | asg | nooby_god: use sarge or testing |
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| 00:54.41 | p0t | i like it so far but for some reason it doesnt like me |
| 00:55.02 | nooby_god | asg sarge is WAYYY out of date for me |
| 00:55.14 | nooby_god | and testing doesn't have all the packages I like |
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| 00:55.27 | Jemt | noob-saibot: I'm running sarge with kernel 2.6.16-2-686 from Unstable Repositories and everything else from Testing repositories. That gives me quite recent software, and I'm not having problems. |
| 00:55.54 | Jemt | nooby_god even |
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| 00:56.07 | asg | nooby_god: then use something else like Ubuntu, Fedora, or roll your own. |
| 00:56.11 | Jemt | nooby_god: What packages do you need = |
| 00:56.24 | asg | nooby_god: you might get by with sarge + backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 00:56.24 | Jemt | asg: I doubt Ubuntu got packages Debian don't :) |
| 00:57.25 | nooby_god | Jemt like Kmess 1.4.3, Gnucash 2.0, Amarok 1.4.1 and Inkscape .44 |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | noob-saibot: what doesn't it have ? |
| 00:57.43 | abrotman | nooby_god: i don' tknow anything that has gnucash2 yet except gentoo .. |
| 00:57.49 | abrotman | nooby_god: try #gentoo |
| 00:58.05 | nooby_god | I'm running gentoo |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | so why not keep using it? |
| 00:58.21 | nooby_god | compile times cause me stress |
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| 00:58.25 | asg | Jemt: no, but only a small part of it gets supported updates. The rest, you are on your own ... basically like grabbing wtf from rpmfind. |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | nooby_god: i was wrong .. gnucash2 is in sid .. |
| 00:58.46 | rhys | the configure script that runs when debian installs xfree86, where is that? |
| 00:58.57 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: are you sure /etc/environment is a script? |
| 00:59.01 | nooby_god | is it possible to be running sarge but grab some stuff from testing? |
| 00:59.02 | rhys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | nooby_god: it's a bad idea |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 00:59.12 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 00:59.12 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I can't seem to put a guard in it |
| 00:59.18 | nooby_god | or does sarge and sid have different build tools |
| 00:59.28 | nooby_god | bah |
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| 00:59.35 | nooby_god | what about MEPIS? |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | ask #mepis |
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| 00:59.58 | rhys | hmmdedum. abrotman, the guy who sent me the link about Freesoftware. read the whole thing |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | rhys: it wasn't me |
| 01:00.26 | rhys | i know it wasnt you. started with a J |
| 01:00.30 | rhys | hes not here.. |
| 01:00.31 | rhys | dont think |
| 01:00.32 | lunitik | Anyone know how to force Fetchmail to use a specific user when starting the daemon? it keeps asking me for fetchmail@correctdomainhere's password :( |
| 01:00.35 | Dewi | ElectricElf: hello. |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | jordih |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | erm .. jordigh |
| 01:00.58 | rhys | jordiIH.. |
| 01:00.59 | rhys | something |
| 01:01.14 | rhys | yea..anyway. what is the x86 configure script? |
| 01:01.21 | rhys | i cant run dpkg --reconfigure |
| 01:01.24 | psychonate | I can't seem to do via searches via the URL bar in FF anymore. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:01.29 | abrotman | !drxx rhys |
| 01:01.29 | dpkg | rhys: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:01.35 | psychonate | google searches rather* |
| 01:01.38 | Jemt | nooby_god: People in here usually tells you Testing / Unstable is baad - they might be right - but Unstable Kernel works great for me along with everything else from Testing. I havn't had a crash on the configuration yet (installation 3 weeks old) |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | Jemt: please don't do that unless you're going to be his personal support agent |
| 01:01.59 | Dewi | wow, 3 whole weeks |
| 01:02.03 | Dewi | that's stability |
| 01:02.05 | asg | Jemt: unstable kernel was also what allowed a root exploit on gluck |
| 01:02.21 | nooby_god | that's it |
| 01:02.21 | Jemt | asg: Oh :-S |
| 01:02.25 | rhys | right. ty |
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| 01:02.25 | nooby_god | I'm staying with gentoo |
| 01:02.26 | Jemt | asg: What kernel version ? |
| 01:02.35 | lunitik | Also, all lines similar to 'user this here is user that there' return syntax errors... however on the command line, 'fetchmail server -u user -p pop3 --ssl' works fine |
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| 01:02.50 | asg | Jemt: "The compromised server ran Linux 2.6.16.18." |
| 01:03.08 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 sid |
| 01:03.12 | myren | how do i get zsh to sort a shell extension? |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:03.21 | asg | myren: #zsh |
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| 01:04.15 | stoned | man |
| 01:04.22 | Jemt | asg: Hm, I'm using linux-image-2.6.16-2-686. Is that greater than 2.6.16.18 ? |
| 01:04.22 | stoned | my last update again fucked up my nvidia driver |
| 01:04.31 | lunitik | Anyone knows what I am doing wrong? I've seen online things saying its possible to do "user * here is user "username" there" to say all local users are that... but it still returns syntax errors... |
| 01:04.31 | stoned | now nvidia-glx errors out with a pre installation script error |
| 01:04.32 | asg | stoned: What manual page do you want? |
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| 01:04.36 | Gnea | Jemt: it is vulnerable. |
| 01:04.43 | stoned | asg, I don' tneed one |
| 01:04.44 | Jemt | Gnea: How is that ? |
| 01:04.52 | stoned | fucking bullshit man |
| 01:04.53 | stoned | :( |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | Jemt: if you're on sid .. keep up todate ..it's on 2.6.17 now |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | stoned: you should talk to rhys about nvidia |
| 01:05.46 | rhys | hey now |
| 01:05.46 | Gnea | Jemt: because it is: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/18874/info |
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| 01:06.04 | Jemt | abrotman: I'm on Sarge. And yes, I know 2.6.17 is available. But 2.6.16-2 is very stable here - so I saw no reason to upgrade. But should I always upgrade to the most recent kernel if I'm using unstable/testing ? |
| 01:06.10 | Jemt | Gnea: Checking, thanks |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | Jemt: you're not on sarge if you're using 2.6.16 |
| 01:06.27 | Gnea | Jemt: i run 2.6.16 on sarge as well, and it's being upgraded to 2.6.17 currently. |
| 01:06.34 | DerJamster | abrotman: Or he compiled the thing? :> |
| 01:06.34 | lunitik | This seems irrelevant of whether I am using ~/.fetchmailrc or /etc/fetchmailrc ... and I'm at a loss as to whats wrong :( |
| 01:06.35 | Gnea | abrotman: yes, you can be. it's called backports. |
| 01:06.41 | abrotman | DerJamster: not sarge! |
| 01:06.42 | DerJamster | or yeah..those |
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| 01:06.45 | abrotman | Gnea: not sarge! |
| 01:06.50 | lunitik | (permissions are all correct etc) |
| 01:06.52 | Gnea | !helixsmite abrotman |
| 01:06.58 | Jemt | abrotman: I'm not? I'm pretty sure I installed Sarge. Not sure whether I should call it anything else after the kernel update though :) |
| 01:07.00 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:07.05 | Dewi | does anyone know how to stop pam from overwriting $LANG variables? |
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| 01:07.13 | rhys | abrotman, read that whole article. i quite liked it. but some things are a bit far. the guy sounds like hes fighting the grand evil like a solider in the war of the end of time... but its software. |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | Jemt: you just have a backported kernel .. everything else is sarge |
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| 01:07.39 | abrotman | rhys: don't care .. nvidia makes shit .. gives away shit .. and i wish they would die |
| 01:07.40 | Gnea | abrotman: it doesn't matter, it's still vulnerable. i know, i tested it. :P |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | Gnea: you hacked yourself! |
| 01:07.54 | Jemt | abrotman: You just told me I was using sid (?) |
| 01:07.54 | Gnea | abrotman: damn straight. |
| 01:07.55 | myren | omg, the unix glob command |
| 01:07.57 | myren | sweeet |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | Gnea: is this .. like .. masturbation ? |
| 01:08.01 | Jemt | abrotman: No, sorry |
| 01:08.10 | rhys | abrotman. wow. i wouldnt turn down a 7900. |
| 01:08.11 | DerJamster | Gnea: I wonder..tried it under grsecurity? |
| 01:08.13 | Gnea | abrotman: no, there's less friction |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | rhys: i would |
| 01:08.19 | Jemt | abrotman: You didn't say that. You just told me I wasn't using Sarge |
| 01:08.30 | Gnea | DerJamster: try it and see |
| 01:08.37 | Gnea | DerJamster: no, i haven't |
| 01:08.45 | lunitik | abrotman: Gnea: no idea? |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | cows |
| 01:08.57 | rhys | abrotman, seen a dell (yes, dell) for 10k yesterday. had 4 7900s, plus the physX CARD. |
| 01:09.04 | rhys | It was awesome |
| 01:09.09 | Gnea | Jemt: abrotman is being an ass, you can get the 2.6.17 source from sid and use it |
| 01:09.10 | Jemt | Anyways - should I always upgrade to the most recent kernel image if I'm running Sarge (installed as Sarge at least) ? |
| 01:09.12 | DerJamster | Gnea: *nod* Probably should compile a second kernel with it..I certainly won't try it on the server ;P |
| 01:09.13 | abrotman | rhys: i wouldn't take a dell either .. are you addicted to shit? |
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| 01:09.26 | abrotman | Gnea: still not sarge! |
| 01:09.29 | Jemt | Gnea: The 2.6.17 is available in Unstable (which is Sid i guess?) |
| 01:09.38 | lunitik | Jemt: yes |
| 01:09.39 | Gnea | abrotman: so what? :) |
| 01:09.42 | Gnea | Jemt: yes. |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | not sarge! |
| 01:09.45 | lunitik | Jemt: has been for at least a week |
| 01:09.46 | rhys | roffle. abrotman , a dell with ten thousand dollars US worth of hardware, yes i would. |
| 01:09.47 | Gnea | lunitik: sorry, what's the problem? |
| 01:09.49 | rhys | dells are shit. |
| 01:09.51 | rhys | but still |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | rhys: crap is crap .. enjoy wallowing in your shit |
| 01:09.59 | Dewi | rhys: then you need your head examined |
| 01:10.00 | rhys | wtf do you have abrotman ? |
| 01:10.11 | Gnea | ok children |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | rhys: like any self respecting geek .. an altix system |
| 01:10.16 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:10.22 | Jemt | What are your guys answering yes to? That I should always use the most recent kernel from Unstable/Sid ? |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | Gnea: don't you have three altix systems? |
| 01:10.33 | rhys | asus. abrotman . horribly expensive, but very very nice. |
| 01:10.35 | Jemt | Yes, some would say "use stable" :) |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | asus is not altix |
| 01:10.41 | Gnea | Jemt: no, that sid == unstable |
| 01:10.49 | Jemt | Gnea: Ah, okay :) |
| 01:10.53 | Jemt | Gnea: Thanks |
| 01:10.59 | Gnea | abrotman: no, i have three and a half ;) |
| 01:11.05 | rhys | i know that abrotman. seriously. do you have some kind of complex? i disagree, so automaticly you think me an idiot? |
| 01:11.18 | Gnea | CHILDREN |
| 01:11.20 | lunitik | Gnea: *fetchmailrc refuses to accept any user lines returning things like "fetchmail:/etc/fetchmailrc:6: syntax error at user" (says 5 usually from ~/.fetchmailrc) |
| 01:11.24 | Dewi | rhys: there's disagreement, and then there's supporting dell |
| 01:11.26 | Gnea | go change your diapers, now |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | rhys: you're addicted to crap .. not a problem for me .. i just won't help you when your dell/nvidia stuff breaks |
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| 01:11.47 | rhys | abrotman, i built my own system. you fucking idiot. |
| 01:11.54 | Gnea | abrotman, rhys: this means you two. |
| 01:11.58 | Jemt | Language :-S |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | rhys: but you used nvidia .. enjoy |
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| 01:12.08 | rhys | i use the best there is |
| 01:12.10 | jlee | exit |
| 01:12.10 | Gnea | fuck shit, motherfucker :P |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | total shit |
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| 01:12.22 | rhys | abrotman, whats better. |
| 01:12.25 | petemc | !dell++ |
| 01:12.29 | abrotman | obviously a dell running SCO Unix .. duh |
| 01:12.34 | lunitik | Gnea: hmm, and I can't seem to find anything that tells me what the error codes mean :( |
| 01:12.53 | rhys | yea..yea. dell is horrible. but have any of you ever seen a computer alone that is worth 10 grand? just a normal, desktop PC. |
| 01:12.57 | rhys | i didnt know dell made things like that |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | petemc: if i ever have to buy a dell .. i promise i'll buy it from you |
| 01:13.03 | abrotman | rhys: yes .. tons of them |
| 01:13.04 | Gnea | lunitik: yeah, maybe it needs a space |
| 01:13.21 | petemc | abrotman: dell only sell direct, for now |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | petemc: ok .. if i need support . i'll make the long distance call :) |
| 01:13.36 | Gnea | you can buy dell on ebay |
| 01:13.41 | rhys | Altix is Silicon Graphics' line of servers and supercomputers. abrotman, you said laptop.. |
| 01:13.58 | abrotman | rhys: you don't have an altix? god .. you aren't even a junior geek |
| 01:14.11 | asg | abrotman: if you are looking at laptops, don't buy a Dell. The older ones were good but the newer ones blow dog. |
| 01:14.11 | Jemt | I'm not sure I got an answer last time; If I don't want to use the stable release of kernel 2.4 and 2.6, should I then always upgrade to the most recent kernel image ? |
| 01:14.12 | Gnea | abrotman: /ignore |
| 01:14.20 | abrotman | Gnea: can i play some more? |
| 01:14.23 | Gnea | abrotman: /ignore |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | asg: i wouldnt' buy a dell anything |
| 01:14.30 | rhys | hahahah asg, you havnt been listening very long |
| 01:14.34 | Jemt | It's a desktop computer by the way - not a server |
| 01:14.51 | abrotman | Gnea: but it's getting fun! |
| 01:14.54 | asg | rhys: :) I know, I had to throw that in regardless |
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| 01:15.01 | rhys | abrotman, you never answered me. what is better than nvidia. |
| 01:15.16 | lunitik | Gnea: error changed... now its 7 ... you know where I can get a list of error codes by chance? google search "fetchmail error codes" is just returning a bunch of people with issues... |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | intel .. easily .. the free drivers make it better for ME .. tard |
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| 01:15.45 | _^SOOfPAMAN^_ | DCC SEND 00000000000000000000 |
| 01:15.45 | _^SOOfPAMAN^_ | #gentoo told me to look at this, what do you guys think? i think we should move to irc.oftc.net #analsex. http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2006-06/0805.html |
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| 01:15.50 | nevyn | intel 915 etc are rocking on the aigl front |
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| 01:16.00 | rhys | of course its better for you. wow. wtf was that? |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | an nvidia user .. they spam the channel |
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| 01:16.21 | Gnea | hey a drive-by |
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| 01:16.25 | asg | rhys: a moron with a high kill rate |
| 01:16.26 | Dewi | I hate it when they do that |
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| 01:16.36 | Dewi | why can't they just be content with keeping their drivers closed? |
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| 01:16.42 | abrotman | alindeman: did you catch that? |
| 01:16.44 | Gnea | i hate it when people don't fix their shit |
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| 01:16.55 | asg | Gnea: I prefer not to poke around in my shit |
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| 01:17.05 | abrotman | lunitik: fix your broken router |
| 01:17.11 | Gnea | asg: you never know what sort of easter eggs may be in there |
| 01:17.13 | rhys | abrotman, funny. seriously. its better for you, for free drivers. what about playing doom. or better, kkrieger. though, i did think kkrieger was CPU based. |
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| 01:17.24 | lunitik | abrotman: ? |
| 01:17.28 | asg | Gnea: true but I can bet that it's candy corn or peanuts. |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | rhys: plays doom just fine |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | lunitik: what was the last thing you saw before getting reset? |
| 01:17.47 | Gnea | asg: shitty |
| 01:17.50 | rhys | abrotman, so you use windows ? |
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| 01:17.55 | abrotman | rhys: no .. |
| 01:17.55 | asg | Gnea: yeah |
| 01:17.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:18.01 | rhys | or vmware? |
| 01:18.03 | rhys | win4lin? |
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| 01:18.08 | abrotman | rhys: last game i tried on here was .. Quake .. uhm .. the demo |
| 01:18.11 | rhys | or did they actually port doom3? |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | rhys: sorry .. not doom .. it was some quake thingie |
| 01:18.22 | rhys | then abrotman, how do you know it plays doom |
| 01:18.22 | ecastro | is there any command to remove all symbolic links from a filesystem without removing the targets file or any other file? |
| 01:18.27 | asg | abrotman: don't lie, you played nethack |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | rhys: i just said .. not doom .. |
| 01:18.34 | Gnea | rhys: everything plays doom. |
| 01:18.45 | abrotman | i use dosemu to play doom :) |
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| 01:18.54 | asg | ecastro: you can use find(1) to locate symlinks and remove them if you wish |
| 01:18.59 | rhys | Gnea, course it does. not at 8x AA 16x14 thought. |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | but why would you ? |
| 01:19.08 | asg | nfc |
| 01:19.14 | rhys | abrotman, most systems dont have the ram to load the bitmaps. |
| 01:19.17 | Gnea | rhys: who cares? it's doom and it plays. end of story. |
| 01:19.18 | lunitik | abrotman: your message regarding intel ... (won't let me copy paste atm) |
| 01:19.25 | ecastro | asg: i'll read the man page... thanks |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | lunitik: what kind of router do you have? |
| 01:19.33 | gezick | is there a better guide for converting a remote system to raid1 than http://togami.com/~warren/guides/remoteraidcrazies/ |
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| 01:19.50 | asg | ecastro: you're welcome. Though I hate to say this, 'info find' will probably give you better help and examples |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 01:19.52 | dpkg | iapf is probably It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 01:20.02 | lunitik | [18:15] <abrotman> intel .. easily .. the free drivers make it better for ME .. tard <-- clipper was just picking the wrong thing to paste :/ |
| 01:20.15 | abrotman | lunitik: what brand router do you have? |
| 01:20.15 | rhys | i give up. i know hardware. nvidia builts the best their is. oh well. always a choice. free drivers, or superior hardware. eh. |
| 01:20.17 | ecastro | asg: thanks! |
| 01:20.17 | gezick | because i can't get my system to reboot properly. apparently the kernel is panicking somewhere ( i guess beacuse it can't mount the root partition?) and restarting when i try to boot with root=/dev/md0 |
| 01:20.18 | lunitik | abrotman: Netgear |
| 01:20.24 | rhys | builds* |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | lunitik: i think you need to flash the router |
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| 01:20.55 | abrotman | the smart money is on free drivers |
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| 01:21.04 | Dewi | rhys: nvidia's drivers are what sets them apart from ATI. Although they aren't perfect, and they aren't open. |
| 01:21.06 | rhys | abrotman, how the hell does that work? |
| 01:21.10 | rhys | smart money? |
| 01:21.19 | asg | gezick: did you try to setup '/' on software raid? |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | you figure it out .. i have better things to do than educate a 15 year old |
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| 01:21.28 | Dewi | rhys: supporting closed drivers doesn't help anyone |
| 01:21.33 | gezick | asg: that's what i'm trying to do yeah. |
| 01:21.41 | rhys | Dewi, ah. bullshit? |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | lunitik: the 614 or 624 ? |
| 01:21.53 | lunitik | abrotman: why? care to elaborate? |
| 01:21.54 | Dewi | rhys: okay, so why are closed drivers not harmful? |
| 01:21.59 | gezick | asg: i've got my md devices created with one disk each, and all the files copied over to the md devices |
| 01:22.03 | abrotman | lunitik: just answer damn it |
| 01:22.06 | gezick | but i can't boot using them as my root |
| 01:22.15 | Guerin | oh, the stupid 'closed drivers are ok' bullshit |
| 01:22.19 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.29 | Guerin | hm |
| 01:22.32 | Guerin | that was unintentional |
| 01:22.39 | asg | Guerin: how are you feeling? |
| 01:22.46 | Guerin | asg: poor |
| 01:22.48 | rhys | harmful? they work? the problem is? FSF is fine, but when a company makes superior hardware, and not just a bit better, but hellva lot better, then the drivers are of less important. |
| 01:22.53 | Guerin | asg: financially, not vitally |
| 01:22.55 | pseubodot | !botsnack |
| 01:22.56 | dpkg | pseubodot: :) |
| 01:23.01 | asg | Guerin: sad to hear that. Hope you get better ... financially |
| 01:23.03 | gezick | asg: it fails on step 21 of that link |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | pseubodot: see what i mean? |
| 01:23.04 | Dewi | rhys: they don't work |
| 01:23.06 | lunitik | abrotman: 624 |
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| 01:23.10 | rhys | performance is the important bit. i dont think the world will end if i give a few hundred to a company that doesnt bend over for FSF |
| 01:23.13 | Dewi | rhys: maybe your definition of work needs adjusting |
| 01:23.15 | Guerin | asg: and i have to use windows because my damn t42 doesn't have a proper modem in it |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | lunitik: http://www.hm2k.org/news/1141413208.html |
| 01:23.23 | asg | Guerin: eep |
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| 01:23.38 | rhys | Dewi, ...they are installed right now, will full hardware accel. with 3 enter keystrokes. that is working to me |
| 01:23.40 | Dewi | rhys: personally I don't give a shit because windows is the platform for games |
| 01:23.42 | rhys | with* |
| 01:23.48 | Guerin | rhys: except if you, and every other tard, has that attitude, then nothing will ever change |
| 01:23.57 | Dewi | rhys: oh, so you have an example of it doing something. That's not the same as "works" |
| 01:24.18 | asg | gezick: sorry, which link? |
| 01:24.26 | gezick | http://togami.com/~warren/guides/remoteraidcrazies/ |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | rhys: how would you feel if you couldn't install your OS because your SATA drivers were closed? |
| 01:24.31 | Dewi | rhys: something isn't "working" unless you can fix it when things go wrong |
| 01:24.38 | Illarane|Laptop | I take it as given that I can completely replace en_GB ISO-8859-1 with en_GB.UTF-8 without killing anything? |
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| 01:24.47 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 01:24.52 | rhys | Dewi, Guerin, FSF has its place like anarchists. |
| 01:24.57 | Dewi | pfft |
| 01:25.00 | Dewi | I'm not an anarchist |
| 01:25.09 | Dewi | I'm a guy who buys hardware and wants to use it the way I decide to use it |
| 01:25.19 | Dewi | that's not communism or anarchy |
| 01:25.23 | Jaw2028 | [21:22] <Jaw2028> dszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgfddszgfdzxgzdsfgf |
| 01:25.26 | rhys | Dewi, not what i mean. |
| 01:25.28 | asg | nice |
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| 01:25.37 | Dewi | Jaw2028: you are even spammier than us. Good work. |
| 01:25.37 | asg | Jaw2028: go speak chinese elsewhere |
| 01:25.37 | Gnea | !ops Jaw2028 is spamming |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | Jaw2028: done ? |
| 01:25.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: Jaw2028 is spamming |
| 01:25.46 | rhys | Dewi, thats the point right? are you telling me that your denying my right of wanting best performance? |
| 01:25.51 | Jemt | How can Linux kernel 2.6.17 not be affected by this vulnerable (http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/18874/info) when kernel 2.6.17.3 is ?? |
| 01:26.09 | Dewi | rhys: I don't remember doing that |
| 01:26.15 | asg | Jemt: bugs have been known to be re-introduced |
| 01:26.15 | Gnea | Jemt: they probably re-introduced the code |
| 01:26.16 | rhys | your "freedom" says to support it, i cant get the best hardware for playing games, because they dont have open drivers |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | Jemt: maybe they added code? |
| 01:26.23 | pseubodot | games? |
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| 01:26.29 | pseubodot | is that all you care about? |
| 01:26.30 | gezick | asg: i know that those instructions reference fedora stuff, but i'm using debian3.1 |
| 01:26.33 | Jemt | abrotman: The bug exists in kernel < 2.6.17 too |
| 01:26.36 | abrotman | Jemt: and it says 2.6.17 is affected |
| 01:26.42 | Gnea | rhys: please, go smoke crack elsewhere. |
| 01:26.42 | Jemt | asg && Gnea: Could be, yes |
| 01:26.43 | lunitik | abrotman: hopefully that will fix it... others say it will... sorry... |
| 01:26.44 | pseubodot | rhys: I don't know about you, but I want my hardware to work for *REAL* stuff |
| 01:26.44 | Dewi | rhys: yeah, and that's a Bad Thing. |
| 01:26.56 | rhys | pseubodot, what i care about isnt important. i dont play games all that much. the point is that i should have the choice on what i want to do. |
| 01:27.18 | asg | gezick: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_software_raid (is what you should probably be following.) |
| 01:27.19 | petemc | rhys: what do you think you're arguing about? do you expect people who believe in and support free software to agree with you? |
| 01:27.20 | Dewi | rhys: yeah, you have a choice. until you sell it to nvidia |
| 01:27.21 | pseubodot | rhys: I want my hardware to work with a kernel I don't have to patch, I want it to be detected by a vanilla installer, and I'm ready to spend serious coin to do it |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | lunitik: see .. don't question me when i demand answers! |
| 01:27.32 | lunitik | abrotman: :) |
| 01:27.39 | pseubodot | rhys: so I buy 3ware (hey, and they maintain the kernel drivers, in the kernel!) and not promise (who don't) |
| 01:27.48 | abrotman | rhys: the point is .. you don't have a choice |
| 01:27.50 | lunitik | abrotman: get anything about my fetchmail headaches? |
| 01:27.56 | pseubodot | rhys: if you want choice, great - we all do |
| 01:27.59 | Gnea | rhys: so you don't have a choice? |
| 01:28.00 | abrotman | rhys: if nvidia doesn't release a driver for Hurd .. you can't use it |
| 01:28.19 | pseubodot | rhys: but given the choice between running a system I can trust, and one I can't, it's an easy choice. |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | lunitik: eh .. i didn't notice the question? |
| 01:28.35 | rhys | pseubodot, im not. and if you had your way, i wouldnt be able to buy nvidia because they dont support your stuff. your like a bunch of children fighting amoungst eachother, over who makes the better toaster. i just want the fucking toast!! whats the probel mwith that! |
| 01:28.38 | asg | pseubodot: rule number one: you can't trust *any* system. |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | damn right .. kill nvidia! |
| 01:28.47 | gezick | asg: i don't have physical access to the machine |
| 01:28.53 | rhys | wow. |
| 01:29.04 | Gnea | !troll rhys |
| 01:29.10 | abrotman | bot dead |
| 01:29.12 | pseubodot | rhys: not at all. if a company cares about selling to the market I'm in, then they'll invest in making good drivers through the normal channels. |
| 01:29.17 | Gnea | ~troll rhys |
| 01:29.20 | apt | ACTION hereby declares rhys a troll |
| 01:29.21 | pseubodot | rhys: if they don't, fine, I just won't use them. |
| 01:29.22 | Dewi | rhys: what makes you think high perf HW would disappear just by opening the drivers? Try to examine the causality a bit more carefully |
| 01:29.36 | sng | pseubodot: http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/ |
| 01:29.40 | asg | gezick: then I'd be *very* careful. Personally, I'd never do raid on a '/' filesystem. The link I gave you will be better suited than the one you were using. |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | sng: you're talking to pete! |
| 01:29.56 | pseubodot | asg: my use of 'trust' implies a way to actually TEST the results a system creates, to audit the mechanisms by which the data provides information, etc. |
| 01:29.58 | rhys | Dewi, im not against them opening the drivers. i think it would be a great thing to open all of that |
| 01:30.04 | sng | abrotman: Pete? |
| 01:30.08 | Gnea | rhys: i'm sorry, you've been using free software for how long? and windows for how much longer before that? |
| 01:30.09 | abrotman | !iapf!!!!! |
| 01:30.12 | lunitik | abrotman: I keep getting errors with *fetchmailrc (so far, 5 6 and 7) when trying to put 'user * here is user lunitik there' (exact error message: fetchmail:/etc/fetchmailrc:7: syntax error at user -- also seen with 5 and 6 as stated) |
| 01:30.15 | rhys | i just got 2 NICs, brand new, that i cant use because of -no drivers- |
| 01:30.17 | pseubodot | sng: yeah, tis me |
| 01:30.21 | pseubodot | rhys: what chipset? |
| 01:30.26 | Gnea | rhys: what nics? |
| 01:30.26 | sng | Pete who? |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | rhys: thanks for proving our point |
| 01:30.28 | pseubodot | rhys: or rather, what nics |
| 01:30.32 | pseubodot | sng: not important |
| 01:30.45 | gezick | asg: yeah, but i like to live on the edge ;-) |
| 01:30.47 | pseubodot | sng: thanks for the link, tho - 'tis interesting reading |
| 01:30.49 | Gnea | rhys: you obviously don't know what you're doing. |
| 01:30.52 | lunitik | abrotman: it would probably be useful to get a list of error codes, but I can't find such a list |
| 01:30.55 | sng | pseubodot: :) |
| 01:30.56 | asg | gezick: so did Kurt Cobain |
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| 01:31.08 | rhys | abrotman, the point is i dont disagree. closed is a bad thing. but its not enough for me to give up good hardware just because of a philisophical debate. |
| 01:31.11 | Dewi | can anyone tell me what is loading the vars in /etc/environment? I think it's pam... how do I make it a bit less overriding of my environment? |
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| 01:31.25 | pseubodot | asg: my concern with trust is the ability to have some confidence in the answers the system provides to the questions I ask given the data I provide., |
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| 01:31.32 | rhys | Gnea, i used windows for the past 6 years and linux for the past 3. |
| 01:31.32 | asg | Dewi: make /etc/environment unreadable to anything and watch for errors |
| 01:31.35 | lunitik | abrotman: any idea what could be causing that? |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | lunitik: you screwed up ? :) |
| 01:31.54 | rhys | also, broadcom chipsets, its a Netgear Nic. no idea. debian wont autodetect. |
| 01:31.55 | Gnea | rhys: that's it? okay, so how can you be so sure that there are no linux drivers for your NICs? |
| 01:31.55 | gezick | asg: i like to think that i'm not as emotionally involved with machines as he was with whatever he was |
| 01:32.01 | gezick | asg: but i know that that's not really try |
| 01:32.02 | pseubodot | rhys: if your needs are such that you have to use hardware 'x' absolutely, and linux doesn't support it, then by all means use a system that does. |
| 01:32.03 | gezick | true |
| 01:32.04 | sng | pseubodot: I heard it's all your fault. |
| 01:32.06 | pseubodot | rhys: it is really that simple. |
| 01:32.07 | Dewi | asg: tried that already, no clues |
| 01:32.09 | pseubodot | sng: you too? |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:32.11 | Gnea | rhys: dude, there are broadcom drivers for linux |
| 01:32.17 | Jemt | Should I always use the most recent kernel if I'm fetching it from Unstable? 2.6.16-2 works great on my system - but 2.6.17-1 is available. |
| 01:32.20 | rhys | Gnea, that i know. |
| 01:32.23 | sng | Yay! |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | b44 .. tg3 .. and bcm44xx or whatever it is |
| 01:32.30 | Gnea | !broadcom |
| 01:32.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
| 01:32.33 | pseubodot | sng: I've heard the same thing, but disavow everything till it's up on the website,. :) |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | of course .. that card may not work without firmware |
| 01:32.39 | lunitik | abrotman: I've taken exact syntax from sites... tried quoting user with " ", ' ', and no quotes... I'm not sure whats up with it? |
| 01:32.47 | Illarane|Laptop | Broadcom 4400 is what I'm using. |
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| 01:32.55 | asg | Illarane|Laptop: is it wireless? |
| 01:33.04 | sng | pseubodot: Me. I blame Canada. After all there's a song and everything. What are they going to do? Argue with the song? That's just silly. |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 01:33.15 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 01:33.22 | pseubodot | sng: canada has already apologized for brian adams. |
| 01:33.24 | Gnea | rhys: due to license disagreements, you need to install the driver seperately. if you had a clue as to how debian operated, you would know that and you wouldn't be complaining. |
| 01:33.25 | Illarane|Laptop | asg: No? |
| 01:33.32 | abrotman | pseubodot: what about celine dion!?!? |
| 01:33.32 | Illarane|Laptop | Built in 10/100 NIC. |
| 01:33.34 | rhys | thing is, i saw a few discussions on the different revisions of the netgear nics, some use a specific tulip driver from netgear |
| 01:33.37 | sng | pseubodot: Hehe. |
| 01:33.39 | Illarane|Laptop | Haha "" |
| 01:33.43 | pseubodot | abrotman: the US can keep her. :_) |
| 01:33.45 | asg | Illarane|Laptop: then ignore me |
| 01:33.45 | Illarane|Laptop | er... |
| 01:33.47 | rhys | Gnea, yes.. i know that. point is, Doesnt -work- |
| 01:33.51 | rhys | that is the whole point right? |
| 01:33.52 | asg | Dewi: did you check /etc/pam.d/login |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | pseubodot: and we're keeping neil young too! |
| 01:34.01 | Illarane|Laptop | "evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL" <--- funny. |
| 01:34.11 | asg | Dewi: # parsing /etc/environment needs "readenv=1" (at least on sid) |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | that about sums it up |
| 01:34.16 | rhys | and im not complaining. i was simply informing you of a problem as an example as -why i dont like closed drivers- |
| 01:34.28 | pseubodot | rhys: what kernel version are you working with? I have several broadcom-based 3com cards here, all work well under 2.6.x |
| 01:34.35 | rhys | if you take the time to read what im typing instead of automaticly assuming im an idiot. |
| 01:34.37 | Gnea | rhys: nope, it does work, you just need to make it work. what, you think debian should be all plug-n-play friendly? no, that's what based-on-debian distros are for. please, come back when you have seen the bigger picture. |
| 01:34.38 | abrotman | how about an lspci ? |
| 01:34.41 | gezick | is a system kernel panics on boot, and automatically reboots, is there any way that you can tell why it panicked in the first placE? |
| 01:34.42 | pseubodot | abrotman: I'm still not sure that's a bad thing. :) |
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| 01:34.49 | rhys | pseubodot, 2.4 default for sarge 3.1r1, i havnt upgraded it yet |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | pseubodot: ok .. fine .. take back alanis! |
| 01:34.54 | pseubodot | rhys: hmm |
| 01:34.59 | asg | gezick: not without a serial console logging things |
| 01:35.04 | Gnea | rhys: i don't like closed drivers either, but life's a bitch sometimes and you gotta roll with the punches |
| 01:35.06 | abrotman | i don't think b44 or tg3 are even in 2.4 |
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| 01:35.12 | abrotman | though .. i don't remember |
| 01:35.15 | rhys | pseubodot, point being though, its not so much of a problem. i fix computers for a hobby/business. so i just put in an AMD land |
| 01:35.17 | rhys | lance* |
| 01:35.19 | pseubodot | rhys: I usually do netinst-based installs, since they're pretty simple |
| 01:35.21 | rhys | works beautifully |
| 01:35.24 | pseubodot | rhys: ditto |
| 01:35.25 | asg | abrotman: well, tg3 works fine in vanilla 2.4.32 |
| 01:35.32 | pseubodot | rhys: we even run amd64 here, and I love it |
| 01:35.41 | lunitik | abrotman: fetchmail server -u user -p pop3 --ssl <-- works fine... so its just the tieing of users together... every example I've seen shows 'user here is user there' with combinations of quotes to work... but I keep getting the syntax error? |
| 01:35.45 | abrotman | asg: i meant the one in sarge |
| 01:35.48 | rhys | pseubodot, yea. netinstall doenst do well for 3k/s transfers |
| 01:35.53 | pseubodot | rhys: can you do 'modprobe tg3' on said box? |
| 01:36.10 | rhys | pseubodot, buts its all good. i figured how to turn the 14 isos into an HTTP repo on my IPcop box. |
| 01:36.15 | pseubodot | rhys: cool |
| 01:36.18 | asg | abrotman: asg@cceonline:~$ grep -i tigon /boot/config-2.4.27-3-686 |
| 01:36.18 | asg | CONFIG_TIGON3=m |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | lunitik: no examples in /usr/share/doc/fetchmail/ or in the man page? |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | !kernel config |
| 01:36.28 | dpkg | kernel configs is, like, found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 01:36.44 | rhys | pseubodot, this is for a friend. like i said, AMD lance. im trying to convert him to debian. debian or slackware. he did have fedora in, but it didnt even detect the lance. |
| 01:36.45 | rhys | so hell with it |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | install the 2.6 |
| 01:37.05 | pseubodot | rhys: interesting. you'd prolly have better luck with 2.6 |
| 01:37.11 | Gnea | boot: linux26 |
| 01:37.25 | rhys | pseubodot, ill try the NIC on my main box once i put 2.6 on it |
| 01:37.25 | pseubodot | rhys: sometimes I have to track down a piece o gear via lspci and a quick visit to pciids.sf.org |
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| 01:37.43 | pseubodot | rhys: because a lot of companies don't document their hardware all that well |
| 01:37.47 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 01:37.47 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 01:37.53 | lunitik | abrotman: none in the man page... I've copy and pasted the examples provided in the documentation, still getting the same syntax errors... |
| 01:38.01 | pseubodot | rhys: dell's tend to be some of the worst, in my experience |
| 01:38.15 | rhys | pseubodot, i used a USR ( i absolutly love USR) 56k hardware modem for a long while, and i had to use makedev to map it. PCI hardware modem |
| 01:38.19 | lunitik | abrotman: (of course customizing for my specific situation..) |
| 01:38.19 | asg | abrotman: it doesn't contain an entry for 'Wizzy Dildo 2000' :( |
| 01:38.21 | rhys | pseubodot, i DONT use dell. wouldnt touch it |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | asg: hello kitty |
| 01:38.35 | magyar | hi, my "route -n" reveals http://pastebin.ca/87528 why are all these addresses? |
| 01:38.37 | rhys | pseubodot, i built my own box custom, built the watercooling for it. |
| 01:38.40 | asg | abrotman: purrrrr |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | rhys: unless it was a $10k PoS ? |
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| 01:39.07 | abrotman | lunitik: nothing in the bts? |
| 01:39.07 | rhys | abrotman, if it was worth 10k i would turn around and sell it and go to australia to be with my love. |
| 01:39.13 | asg | magyar: paste the full output of 'route -n' |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | rhys: koala ? |
| 01:39.21 | rhys | :( kangaroo |
| 01:39.28 | abrotman | rhys: you sohuld talk to liable |
| 01:39.37 | rhys | least thats what everyone here calls her. i love her, my big aussie girl. |
| 01:39.57 | magyar | asg: http://pastebin.ca/87532 |
| 01:40.07 | pseubodot | alrighty, it's almost 2200 here, and time to get into the big black room |
| 01:40.07 | rhys | i have to go give this box back to the guy i put deb on it for |
| 01:40.08 | rhys | ttyl |
| 01:40.10 | pseubodot | nighty night all |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | pseubodot: the padded room ? |
| 01:40.31 | magyar | l8ter |
| 01:40.34 | lunitik | abrotman: not that I saw, no... |
| 01:40.35 | asg | magyar: are you running routed or gated? (ps aux | egrep 'routed|gated') |
| 01:40.40 | Gnea | magyar: is that a production box? |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | lunitik: checked the archived bugs too ? |
| 01:41.02 | magyar | root 23634 0.0 0.0 1948 616 pts/0 S+ 21:43 0:00 grep -E routed|gated |
| 01:41.17 | magyar | Gnea: etch, mail server |
| 01:41.25 | asg | magyar: if you do '/sbin/ifdown eth0 ; /sbin/ifup eth0', do you see the same thing? |
| 01:41.41 | lunitik | abrotman: that I didn't do.... |
| 01:42.15 | Gnea | magyar: do you have a resume up somewhere? |
| 01:42.15 | asg | magyar: oh, and paste a copy of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:42.39 | Jaw2028 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.39 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Rejoined channel #linuxforums |
| 01:42.39 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Topic is 'http://linuxforums.org || No more ads for registered users. || New section: http://dir.linuxforums.org || Check out OFTC || Don't be afraid to ask questions, but first read relevant docs and search the web for answers. || Paste in #lf_flood. || Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/gt22r || Stats: http://tinyurl.com/gzrnz' |
| 01:42.39 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Set by sether on Thu Jun 29 00:24:12 |
| 01:42.39 | *** kick/#debian [Jaw2028!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 01:42.40 | magyar | asg: it's down now alright :9 |
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| 01:43.04 | Gnea | ~troll Jaw2028 |
| 01:43.10 | apt | ACTION hereby declares Jaw2028 a troll |
| 01:43.20 | asg | magyar: then bring eth0 up and check '/sbin/route -n' |
| 01:43.30 | magyar | Gnea: not too sure what do you mean by that |
| 01:43.37 | asg | Gnea: it's more than a troll |
| 01:43.45 | Gnea | magyar: a resume... for like, jobs 'n stuff |
| 01:43.58 | asg | Gnea: he doesn't have ACPI support compiled in |
| 01:44.05 | magyar | asg: right now I am going downtown to reboot the server |
| 01:44.17 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Attempting to rejoin channel #linuxforums |
| 01:44.18 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Rejoined channel #linuxforums |
| 01:44.18 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Topic is 'http://linuxforums.org || No more ads for registered users. || New section: http://dir.linuxforums.org || Check out OFTC || Don't be afraid to ask questions, but first read relevant docs and search the web for answers. || Paste in #lf_flood. || Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/gt22r || Stats: http://tinyurl.com/gzrnz' |
| 01:44.18 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Set by sether on Thu Jun 29 00:24:12 |
| 01:44.18 | *** kick/#debian [Jaw2028!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 01:44.24 | asg | magyar: oh come on? |
| 01:44.33 | Gnea | asg: damn good thing, cuz i'd never hire him |
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| 01:44.36 | abrotman | !ops will you please ban jaw2028 |
| 01:44.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: abrotman complains about: will you please ban jaw2028 |
| 01:44.37 | magyar | asg: didnt came back up |
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| 01:45.02 | lunitik | abrotman: searched all containing 'user' in the bug description... nothing... |
| 01:45.07 | Gnea | !ops Jaw2028 is a spammer, offtopic and a troll |
| 01:45.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: Jaw2028 is a spammer, offtopic and a troll |
| 01:45.09 | asg | magyar: well of course it didn't. In the future, if you are asking for help on a system only accessible remotely, tell us! |
| 01:45.14 | magyar | asg try pingign 216.126.78.142 |
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| 01:45.20 | lunitik | abrotman: thats what I was doing? (what jaw just did..) |
| 01:45.21 | magyar | or mta1.pssnet.com |
| 01:45.26 | abrotman | Gnea: he's now dupilicated his nick .. probably best to go by hostmask now |
| 01:45.48 | magyar | asg: worry not, thats life :) |
| 01:45.52 | asg | magyar: indeed |
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| 01:45.59 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Attempting to rejoin channel #linuxforums |
| 01:45.59 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Rejoined channel #linuxforums |
| 01:45.59 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Topic is 'http://linuxforums.org || No more ads for registered users. || New section: http://dir.linuxforums.org || Check out OFTC || Don't be afraid to ask questions, but first read relevant docs and search the web for answers. || Paste in #lf_flood. || Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/gt22r || Stats: http://tinyurl.com/gzrnz' |
| 01:45.59 | Jaw2028 | [21:21] * Set by sether on Thu Jun 29 00:24:12 |
| 01:46.00 | Jaw2028 | [21:22] * Disconnected |
| 01:46.00 | *** kick/#debian [Jaw2028!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 01:46.00 | Gnea | !ops Jaw2028 is now clone botting: *!*@ppp-69-223-137-177.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net |
| 01:46.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gnea complains about: Jaw2028 is now clone botting: *!*@ppp-69-223-137-177.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net |
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| 01:46.26 | magyar | asg: what would cause it not to come back? |
| 01:46.34 | abrotman | Staff: thank you |
| 01:46.48 | asg | magyar: the '/sbin/ifdown eth0' bit |
| 01:47.10 | Dewi | one last try... |
| 01:47.20 | magyar | asg: but then i had ;/sbin/ifup eth0 |
| 01:47.30 | Dewi | anyone know how to make debian ssh between different locales properly? |
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| 01:47.47 | lunitik | abrotman: no idea further? no idea where I can find a list of error codes for fetchmail? |
| 01:47.47 | dlg | i told you |
| 01:47.52 | magyar | "/sbin/ifdown eth0 ; /sbin/ifup eth0" |
| 01:48.00 | Dewi | logins keep loading things like /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment, and wiping out my real LANG |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | lunitik: ask ESR :) |
| 01:48.05 | rhys | back. :D |
| 01:48.24 | Dewi | dlg: you told me I was out of luck :P |
| 01:48.46 | abrotman | lunitik: http://fetchmail.berlios.de/ |
| 01:48.48 | dlg | Dewi: only with trying to put sh stuff into /etc/environment |
| 01:48.51 | rhys | curiosity, what WM does everyone use? not to start a fight. |
| 01:48.57 | dlg | did you look into /etc/security/pam_env.conf? |
| 01:49.04 | zinx | rhys: FVWM2, the only real window manager |
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| 01:49.11 | zinx | rhys: :P~ |
| 01:49.13 | jelly-home | rhys: fvwm 1.24r ftw! |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | !tell intelikey about root |
| 01:49.19 | Dewi | dlg: it was... erm... pretty meaningless |
| 01:49.29 | Dewi | dlg: /etc/pam.d has more interesting stuff |
| 01:49.29 | lunitik | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:49.38 | dlg | Dewi: well, yes. |
| 01:49.41 | rhys | happen to know where the option is to change window managers? |
| 01:49.42 | Dewi | dlg: but still nothing that can turn a flat file into something I can switch in |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | rhys: man update-alternatives |
| 01:49.54 | dlg | take the calls to pam_env out of /etc/pam.d/* if you dont want it doing that thing |
| 01:50.00 | jelly-home | rhys: usually a menu at the login screen. |
| 01:50.01 | dlg | and just get your shell startup stuff to set lang for you |
| 01:50.23 | rhys | jelly-home, atm i dont have kdm or xdm installed |
| 01:50.35 | ryushe | Greetings. Anyone here with a working knowledge of the Apache2 MySQL Authentication Module? (libapache2_mod_auth_mysql) |
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| 01:50.47 | rhys | i like kdm, lots of themes. its stupid i know, but i like the pretties. i have nothing better to do. |
| 01:50.56 | Dewi | dlg: if I'm going to do things like destroy pam then maybe I should just build a hack that sets LANG in my .bashrc |
| 01:50.58 | abrotman | i'm shocked |
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| 01:51.26 | rhys | course you are. would make so much sense to want a good video card and to like eye candy |
| 01:51.31 | dlg | Dewi: up to you. the good thing here is that theres many ways to solve the problem |
| 01:51.36 | jelly-home | rhys: alternatives, then. Or start whatever you want in ~/.xsession |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | woohooo .. someone who was ircing as root and didn't msg me to get a better explaination |
| 01:51.43 | Dewi | dlg: oh, how heartwarming |
| 01:51.51 | Dewi | dlg: I'd rather one correct solution to 20 hacks :P |
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| 01:51.58 | dlg | hahaha |
| 01:51.59 | dlg | cmon |
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| 01:52.19 | dlg | theres generally no such thing as the correct solution to this stuff |
| 01:52.28 | dlg | the option that works best for you is the one you want |
| 01:52.39 | Dewi | I disagree. unicode can work, damn it |
| 01:52.51 | Dewi | just not... today |
| 01:52.54 | dlg | yeah, but not if pam_env is going to blow LANG away for you |
| 01:52.56 | reilithion | lol |
| 01:52.56 | asg | magyar: the shell was likely killed by the loss of connection from /sbin/ifdown eth0 and never executed /sbin/ifup eth0. Otherwise, a config error in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 01:54.11 | reilithion | Ok, how can I ensure that a particular version of a package (e.g. gnome-applets & gnome-applets-data v. 2.14.2-1) are amongst the packages in my repositories? |
| 01:54.35 | asg | reilithion: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 01:55.19 | reilithion | asg: it only lists 2.14.2-1+b1 |
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| 01:55.39 | asg | reilithion: then that's the only version available in your repository |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | reilithion: apt-cahe show |
| 01:55.52 | asg | reilithion: run 'apt-get update' ; try again |
| 01:57.00 | reilithion | asg: running that. But I suspect it'll fail. 2.14.2-1+b1 is newer than 2.14.2-1 |
| 01:57.44 | asg | reilithion: that's likely a patch that will have no effect on what you are trying to do. If you aren't contravening package management, you should be fine. |
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| 01:58.21 | reilithion | It's first on my list of suspected packages that clobbered one program's ability to run. |
| 01:58.33 | asg | reilithion: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 01:58.39 | reilithion | etch |
| 01:58.56 | asg | !info gnome-applets-data etch |
| 01:59.00 | dpkg | gnome-applets-data: (Various applets for GNOME 2 panel - data files), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7743 kB, Installed size: 35996 kB |
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| 01:59.09 | asg | !info gnome-applets etch |
| 01:59.12 | dpkg | gnome-applets: (Various applets for GNOME 2 panel - binary files), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.2-1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 394 kB, Installed size: 908 kB |
| 01:59.18 | reilithion | There it is |
| 02:00.00 | reilithion | When it upgraded, my program wouldn't run anymore |
| 02:00.06 | asg | reilithion: that's what's in etch. It shouldn't have been allowed in if it was broken. Check the bts, file bugs. |
| 02:00.34 | abrotman | reilithion: which program ? |
| 02:00.46 | reilithion | I will. In the mean time, I need a way to get Revelation Password Manager working again. |
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| 02:03.37 | asg | reilithion: if you know which packages were updated to cause the problem, get the previous ones from snapshot.debian.net, dpkg -i them, and, if they work, file bugs. |
| 02:04.42 | reilithion | asg: will do. Thanks for that url |
| 02:04.52 | asg | reilithion: you're welcome |
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| 02:06.13 | buht | need help, where can i grab a linux boot disk image to put on a floppy in windows? i updated my system bios on my linux box and it wiped the damn boot block. so i need to do two things, boot to linux, and rewrite the boot block somehow tow boot /dev/sda1 |
| 02:06.20 | peope | Hi. X crashed and I have funny colors. How can I get the old ones back? (black/lightgray) |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | peope: probably restart X correctly |
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| 02:06.51 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 02:06.52 | dpkg | from memory, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 02:06.53 | peope | abrotman: not possible right now |
| 02:07.06 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:07.39 | buht | ty.. looking into it. |
| 02:07.49 | buht | abrotman, how can i recover the boot block after im booted? |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | update-grub and grub-install maybe ? |
| 02:08.30 | buht | just mount the sda1 and run those from the hdd? |
| 02:08.44 | buht | next question lol: which version of grub is in debian stable right now? so i can get the right boot disk |
| 02:09.12 | buht | 0.95 n/m |
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| 02:11.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:11.49 | buht | abrotman: not sure i can find where to make the disk bootable, using my windows client |
| 02:11.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman | buht: with dd |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | erm .. wwith rawrite |
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| 02:13.33 | KhmerBoy | could anyone tell me, I want to build my own linux distribution base on debian? what should I do? what I have to know? |
| 02:13.49 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 02:14.04 | Gnea | bah |
| 02:14.08 | Gnea | ~based on debian |
| 02:14.10 | apt | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 02:14.17 | abrotman | Gnea: does the bot have you on ignore ? |
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| 02:14.22 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:14.40 | dbe | How can I tell cron to execute /foo at 12:30 AM today? |
| 02:14.44 | Gnea | abrotman: no, it's just being retarded |
| 02:14.50 | abrotman | !based on debian |
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| 02:14.55 | abrotman | ok .. well then |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 02:14.58 | dpkg | hi, abrotman |
| 02:15.11 | abrotman | dbe: use "at" ? |
| 02:15.35 | dbe | abrotman, Thank you. |
| 02:15.42 | buht | abrotman, thank you... i see grub packages in that ftp site but no images that i can tell sir. |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 02:15.56 | dpkg | from memory, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 02:16.01 | Gnea | !debian |
| 02:16.02 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:16.34 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 02:16.34 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 02:16.40 | buht | hm |
| 02:17.01 | buht | gzipped files - images? |
| 02:17.12 | buht | ah ext2fs |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | buht: eh .. there used to be images there |
| 02:17.26 | Gnea | abrotman: i wonder if there was a data purge and a backup restore |
| 02:17.27 | abrotman | oh .. yeah . those |
| 02:17.32 | buht | :) |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | buht: or grab a liveCD of some sort |
| 02:17.57 | buht | !rawrite |
| 02:17.58 | dpkg | hmm... rawrite is a program that can write an image to a disk in DOS. You can use it to create Debian boot disks. It can be found at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools |
| 02:18.05 | elik | Hello, I am having problems configuring sound. I get it to work, but I have to run alsaconf every single time I startup to get it to work. For some reason, KDE doesnt not require this workaround, but gnome does... I think it might be a module problem as I see, after running alsaconf, module snd_i8x0m is not there anymore |
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| 02:18.32 | Gnea | !gnome |
| 02:18.32 | dpkg | gnome is probably a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
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| 02:19.22 | elik | thank you very muich Gnea, but I dont think it's a gnome related problem |
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| 02:20.53 | lunitik | Regarding fetchmail again: what does proheadlineol refer to in this example: http://cerium.raunvis.hi.is/~tpr/linux/debian/mail.html |
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| 02:22.12 | elik | Basically, what I would like to do is avoid loading snd_intel8x0m, but I dont know where it is loaded. It's not in modules... looked it up. Where else could it be? |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 02:22.39 | dpkg | it has been said that blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 02:22.57 | Gnea | elik: right, check the udev config, since it's probably detected automatically |
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| 02:23.19 | Gnea | !udev |
| 02:23.20 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable |
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| 02:24.13 | buht | abrotman, so boot to this grub boot disk, mount /dev/sda1 or just update-grub once in the disk? |
| 02:24.39 | elik | Which of blacklist and udev would be most effective way of keeping it from loading? |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | buht: try to get it to read your grub menu.lst |
| 02:24.53 | elik | Gnea and abrotman |
| 02:24.55 | Gnea | elik: well it's already been explained |
| 02:24.58 | Gnea | !blacklist |
| 02:24.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 02:25.04 | Gnea | it tells you right there how to do it |
| 02:25.22 | elik | yeah, I see it, but you told me about udev stuff, is that same thing? |
| 02:25.26 | Gnea | elik: it could be the modules you need are blacklisted |
| 02:25.30 | buht | k im sitting at the grub console hehe |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | buht: is there an optoin to let you read a config file ? |
| 02:25.46 | Gnea | elik: yeah, udev uses hotplug as an extension |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | buht: like 'c' or somehting ? |
| 02:26.03 | elik | Gnea, no, it's the other way around, I want to blacklist a module cause this extra module cause the sound not to work |
| 02:26.16 | Gnea | elik: ok, so blacklist it |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | Gnea: do what? |
| 02:27.42 | buht | bah. |
| 02:27.54 | buht | abrotman, nah.. first i need to help it see /dev/sda1 which im trying to figure out |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | buht: what FS is it? |
| 02:28.21 | buht | ext3 prolly |
| 02:28.37 | buht | latest debian stable installer automatic shit |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | buht: if you do something like "root (hd<tab><tab>" .. what happens ? |
| 02:30.29 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | every night meppl says that .. .. i think he's eating good nachos |
| 02:32.27 | meppl | ;) |
| 02:32.50 | buht | unrecognized device string |
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| 02:32.53 | buht | its sd1 |
| 02:32.56 | buht | tried sd, hd |
| 02:33.01 | stoned | hi |
| 02:33.08 | buht | nuttin, if i type root and hti enter it shows fd0 of course |
| 02:33.35 | stoned | mousedev is listed under lsmod, yet gpm doesn't work, neither does my mouse work in X. It was working before the last reboot |
| 02:33.39 | stoned | any ideas? |
| 02:33.39 | abrotman | buht: ok .. time to get an ubuntu cd |
| 02:34.00 | stoned | this is on sarge btw |
| 02:34.14 | buht | fuck, 1 sec... scsi bus cable is half in .. i just took an ide hdd out |
| 02:34.19 | buht | LOL ill elt u know what happens |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | buht: dude .. plug your cables in! |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | stoned: where is gpm looking for the mouse ? |
| 02:34.56 | stoned | same thing with X man |
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| 02:35.05 | abrotman | ok .. where's X looking for the mouse ? |
| 02:35.08 | stoned | won't work, configured properly, X starts up without errors, but mouse won't move |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | dpkg: what do you want to do tonight ? |
| 02:35.17 | stoned | abrotman: oh and I don't know |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight ? |
| 02:35.24 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | stoned: this is important :) |
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| 02:35.40 | stoned | abrotman: fuck the world taking over man, help me instead |
| 02:35.41 | stoned | :/ |
| 02:36.02 | stoned | abrotman: btw, let me do dpkg-reconfigre gpm and see where |
| 02:36.03 | stoned | hold on |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | stoned: mousedev implies /dev/input/mouse .. |
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| 03:56.16 | simonrvn | ~wb |
| 03:56.18 | apt | It's great to be back! |
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| 03:58.33 | stoned | FUCK YEAH! |
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| 03:58.35 | stoned | I goit it |
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| 03:58.47 | stoned | I accidentally had installed the alsa fucking packages from backports |
| 03:58.56 | stoned | I was looking theorugh my sources and I was like what |
| 03:59.16 | stoned | then I checked my pins and oh fuck I had it all fucked, I remvoed them all, and clean my cache, and intalled the ones from sarge |
| 03:59.17 | stoned | it works now |
| 03:59.22 | stoned | fucking stupid shit |
| 03:59.28 | stoned | I need to take that piss test soon and start smoking |
| 03:59.33 | stoned | I've not smoked my self retarded |
| 03:59.40 | stoned | er.. something, I'm gonna go bring my roommate to his job |
| 03:59.41 | stoned | bbl |
| 03:59.58 | simonrvn | okaay... |
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| 04:04.27 | magyar | http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1479 |
| 04:04.30 | magyar | huh? |
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| 04:13.51 | nsx | earlier, people in here wanted to know what packages i thought were broken.. |
| 04:13.53 | nsx | as if i was crazy |
| 04:13.53 | nsx | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:13.54 | nsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.54 | nsx | E: Broken packages |
| 04:13.57 | nsx | there's one example |
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| 04:15.39 | niru | hi |
| 04:15.58 | niru | how can I save by conversation in Xchat |
| 04:16.40 | rjordan | niru, copy -> paste |
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| 04:17.05 | rjordan | seriously though there is an option in there to log all chats. |
| 04:17.08 | niru | Is this an efficient way |
| 04:17.38 | rjordan | not any more or less efficient than any other method. |
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| 04:17.46 | DeFender1031 | hi, how do i get a program not on the apt-get list? (for example skype) |
| 04:17.47 | rjordan | it depends on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 04:18.07 | niru | ya I too saw logging in preferences |
| 04:18.29 | rjordan | defender1031 you need to add an apt repository that has skype or download the deb file and 'dpkg -i it |
| 04:19.04 | DeFender1031 | how do i do that? |
| 04:20.54 | rjordan | http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hs=gOZ&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=man+sources+list&btnG=Search |
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| 04:22.22 | DeFender1031 | i still don't get it |
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| 04:31.13 | sid | How can I make dpkg/apt ignore a dependency for one package? |
| 04:31.22 | sid | I pipe something into dpkg; but I forgot. |
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| 04:34.46 | sid | I wget'd one package from Ubuntu (wifi-radar); and I did dpkg -i --force-all wifi-radar*deb; but this package depends on two newer packages; dhcp-client and some other dhcp program(I already have both of these programs) |
| 04:35.22 | sid | wifi-radar works flawlessly; I'm using it find. And I don't want a newer version of dhcp client stuff. So how can I have apt just ignore the dependency for wifi-radar? |
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| 04:39.01 | sid | s/find/fine |
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| 04:41.42 | [Cadet] | Are there any problems with nvidia geforce 6200 on etch? It initializes but then the screen turns dark. |
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| 04:42.33 | [Cadet] | It works find with nv driver |
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| 04:43.48 | JoCat | Ahoy all. |
| 04:44.23 | sid | !tell [Cadet] about topic |
| 04:44.25 | sid | !tell [Cadet] about bts |
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| 04:45.39 | sid | !tell [Cadet] about X69to7 |
| 04:45.42 | JoCat | So aptitude recommends removing around 780 megs of packages. I'm not quite sure why. It says the dependencies are being removed. |
| 04:45.58 | JoCat | "They are no longer used." |
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| 04:46.15 | JoCat | From what I can see I still use a great deal of them, like ALSA. |
| 04:46.47 | JoCat | Should I risk breaking my installation by allowing these packages to be removed? |
| 04:47.09 | rshakin | something is wrong... i can tell you that |
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| 04:47.17 | rshakin | you running stable ? \ |
| 04:47.40 | JoCat | Right, I think something is wrong. |
| 04:47.55 | sid | JoCat: Put the output of "dpkg -al|grep -v ^ii" on a paste website. |
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| 04:47.58 | sid | !tell JoCat about paste |
| 04:48.09 | sid | JoCat: also put /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:48.22 | JoCat | I'm an idiot. Lemme check to see if I added unstable/testing. |
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| 04:48.52 | abysmal | or34 |
| 04:48.56 | [Cadet] | sid: Thanks for trying to help, appears dpkg doesn't want to talk to me |
| 04:49.49 | rshakin | ok kids i just nerfed my mysql database... what can i do to get it back |
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| 04:49.53 | reisio | abysmal: roflcopter :p |
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| 04:50.27 | sid | [Cadet]: dpkg is a bot |
| 04:50.33 | JoCat | What's the feed for main stable non-free packages? |
| 04:50.34 | [Cadet] | yes I know |
| 04:50.38 | sid | [Cadet]: follow what dpkg tells you; or go to the links it gives you |
| 04:50.42 | JoCat | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free? |
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| 04:51.23 | [Cadet] | sid: Yes I know, I've been hanging out in the channel for probably 5 years, he's just not answering at the moment |
| 04:51.50 | sid | [Cadet]: works fine for me |
| 04:51.58 | JoCat | Nevermind. |
| 04:52.03 | [Cadet] | dunno, maybe later |
| 04:52.37 | sid | seems like a problem on your end |
| 04:52.37 | sid | !test |
| 04:52.37 | dpkg | No, sid, you're not online any more. |
| 04:53.56 | [Cadet] | sid: other queries work but not X69to7 |
| 04:54.09 | sid | o; I see what you're saying now. |
| 04:54.39 | sid | !tell [Cadet] about Xorg69to7 |
| 04:54.39 | [Cadet] | So there is a problem with the drivers in etch for that card? I don't have problems with some other nvidia cards |
| 04:55.22 | sid | [Cadet]: When is the last time you tried them? |
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| 04:55.51 | sid | [Cadet]: paste dpkg -l xorg|tail -1 in here |
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| 04:56.27 | [Cadet] | sid: Well all three of my kids systems are working, I just got the 6200 today and am trying to get 3D on this computer |
| 04:57.00 | [Cadet] | ii xorg 7.0.22 X.Org X Window System |
| 04:57.10 | sid | damn; you give your kids GNU / Linux...I wish my father did that when I was young. |
| 04:57.28 | [Cadet] | Wondering if there was a problem with this video card so I can take it back. It's from Fry's |
| 04:57.28 | sid | [Cadet]: What versions of xorg are the other systems running? |
| 04:57.42 | [Cadet] | Same probably, they're all etch |
| 04:57.43 | sid | [Cadet]: There has recently been a big migration on etch from xorg 6.9 to xorg 7 |
| 04:57.56 | sid | So many people have reported problems(on the bts) about nvidia with xorg |
| 04:58.25 | [Cadet] | They were all installed using --set-selections from the same file with selections in it with the exception of the kernels, they machines are amd, this is a P4 |
| 04:58.26 | sid | And there are so many problems(as expected...that's why it's called testing) that they made a whole wiki section for the migration.(what dpkg pmed you with) |
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| 04:58.57 | [Cadet] | sid: No biggie man I've used debian for many many years and have quite a few unstable boxes too |
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| 05:00.34 | [Cadet] | I'll just take the POS back and get a different one. I've already tried a 5500 and it worked fine |
| 05:00.49 | [Cadet] | They just had this one on sale ;) |
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| 05:04.02 | sid | The picture says "Total 802.11 `Super G(tm)` Atheros" |
| 05:04.07 | sid | s/picture/sticker |
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| 05:05.14 | lunitik | Finally able to actually submit bugs via reportbug ... that was a pita :/ |
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| 05:07.15 | abysmal | pita; |
| 05:07.25 | lunitik | !pita |
| 05:07.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
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| 05:08.52 | abysmal | whats the best program language to buld software ? |
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| 05:09.24 | sng | That's not trollish. Not at all. |
| 05:09.26 | lunitik | abysmal: thats like asking "whats the best way to put on socks" :/ |
| 05:09.44 | sid | !best |
| 05:09.45 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 05:09.47 | sid | !start a programming war |
| 05:09.57 | lunitik | abysmal: usually the one you know is the best one to use... |
| 05:10.24 | sid | !start a language war |
| 05:10.24 | dpkg | BASIC is more readable than Ruby |
| 05:11.58 | abysmal | I dont know any language and I want to learn one |
| 05:11.59 | abysmal | which |
| 05:12.16 | JoCat | I'm a whore for C++. |
| 05:12.27 | abysmal | you suck good ? |
| 05:12.36 | JoCat | Depends on how well you pay. |
| 05:12.48 | lunitik | abysmal: I'd advice python probably ... good bindings for graphical toolkits |
| 05:12.54 | lunitik | advise* |
| 05:13.06 | seemawn | QBASIC!!! |
| 05:13.07 | abysmal | isnt perl better ? |
| 05:13.19 | lunitik | abysmal: no language is better :/ |
| 05:13.39 | lunitik | abysmal: you can list pros and cons for all languages |
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| 05:14.27 | lunitik | abysmal: there are python bindings for most everything ... so its probably the most useful language to learn... and amongst the easiest |
| 05:14.39 | seemawn | k i'll be @ work |
| 05:14.44 | seemawn | nice day @ all |
| 05:15.29 | abysmal | lunitik is there a list of pros and cons of each ? |
| 05:15.49 | JoCat | The list will vary a lot from person to person. |
| 05:15.51 | lunitik | abysmal: google knows the answer to that |
| 05:15.52 | JoCat | Not that you asked me... |
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| 05:16.03 | JoCat | What are you trying to learn, abysmal? |
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| 05:16.06 | JoCat | *do |
| 05:16.10 | JoCat | Not learn, do. |
| 05:16.16 | abysmal | lunitik I need a good comparison table |
| 05:16.27 | abysmal | JoCat I dont know, what u sugest |
| 05:16.30 | lunitik | abysmal: search google |
| 05:16.39 | abysmal | lunitik I cant find any |
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| 05:17.03 | JoCat | The important part isn't really learning the language, just learning the logic and problem solving skills. |
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| 05:17.40 | JoCat | Towards that end, I recommend C or C++ to beginners for its ease of use and freedom of approach. You won't get fancy gui stuff off the bat, but you can approach it later on when you think you're ready. |
| 05:17.43 | rohan | one fine day i rebooted and found that in kde all my icons on buttons are lost ! it happens with a new user too ! and even if a rm -r ~/.kde .. what do i do ? |
| 05:17.57 | rohan | the icons are those like the ones in Run and Cancel, Apply, OK buttons |
| 05:18.09 | JoCat | I don't like Java because of all the little piddly crap stewn about and the little language neuances like having to name the file after the class. Drove me crazy. |
| 05:18.48 | lunitik | rohan: your icons still exist? install another icon theme... switch to it, and see if they come back.... |
| 05:18.55 | rohan | JoCat: what gui library would you suggest for C++ ? |
| 05:19.08 | rohan | lunitik: tried that .. switched to crystal and back to nuvola .. didnt help |
| 05:19.26 | lunitik | rohan: crystal icons worked? |
| 05:19.31 | rohan | lunitik: no |
| 05:19.35 | rohan | still no icons on buttons |
| 05:19.44 | rohan | even the buttons in shutdown/logout screen are bland :) |
| 05:19.50 | lunitik | rohan: you didn't turn off a setting somewhere to have icons on buttons? |
| 05:20.12 | rohan | no, and as i said, i also created a new test user, and did rm -r ~/.kde |
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| 05:21.56 | rohan | also, using kde and the gtk qt engine, now the fonts in gtk apps like firefox and gparted are no longer anti aliased |
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| 05:24.48 | umar | #debian-love |
| 05:25.37 | umar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:26.23 | JoCat | roahn: sorry, I missed your comment. Allegro and SDL are both nice choices for a graphic library. |
| 05:26.56 | rohan | but not Qt ? |
| 05:27.04 | JoCat | Not a big fan. |
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| 05:27.07 | rohan | lol |
| 05:27.08 | rohan | why |
| 05:27.51 | JoCat | I'm fairly biased, but I had a hard time getting it to work from the get-go. I encountered problems perpetually, and I was never really satisfied with the way it felt. |
| 05:28.46 | JoCat | However, most of the work I do programming-wise isn't gui development or 'real' application development. I program games for fun, so my needs are different. |
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| 05:29.30 | JoCat | Is Qt closed source? I don't remember. |
| 05:30.43 | lunitik | JoCat: its GPL and QPL ... unless you pay for it... |
| 05:31.50 | lunitik | JoCat: in other words... unlike GTK... you can't even link against Qt unless you release the result as either GPL or QPL |
| 05:32.02 | JoCat | Ah. |
| 05:32.46 | JoCat | Is the QPL their form of a public license, or is it some new license I've never seen before? |
| 05:33.03 | lunitik | (GTK uses LGPL which allows linking) |
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| 05:33.35 | flyback | The Debian GNU/Linux project has discovered a compromised developer account was used to gain access to a server compromised this week. A local kernel vulnerability was then used to gain root access. Due to this, a number of developers with weak passwords have been locked out of their system accounts." |
| 05:33.36 | lunitik | JoCat: www.opensource.org <-- they have it documented |
| 05:33.36 | flyback | GOOD |
| 05:33.41 | flyback | YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE MORONS |
| 05:33.43 | flyback | geez |
| 05:33.52 | flyback | you can download 100923402347893789024789243 free random password generators |
| 05:33.59 | flyback | hell you can get random passwords off webpages now |
| 05:34.03 | flyback | no excuse for crappy passwords |
| 05:34.32 | lunitik | !ops flyback is a troll |
| 05:34.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: lunitik complains about: flyback is a troll |
| 05:34.40 | flyback | I am a troll? |
| 05:34.43 | flyback | how? |
| 05:34.52 | flyback | cause I am glad they laid down the law on bad passwords? |
| 05:35.00 | flyback | man are you a total idiot |
| 05:35.22 | stoned | flyback, we can all see who the real idiot is |
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| 05:35.28 | flyback | ooo |
| 05:35.29 | stoned | flyback, you need not point it out |
| 05:35.30 | flyback | I am so offended |
| 05:35.46 | JoCat | :cb: |
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| 05:36.08 | flyback | hey pythos |
| 05:36.17 | flyback | hey nonix4 |
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| 05:37.06 | JoCat | I removed the unstable and testing feeds from /etc/apt/sources.list and did an apt-get update, but aptitude still reports 709 MB of packages to be uninstalled. |
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| 05:39.45 | nsx | has anyone here been able to get a 64-bit java browser plugin working? |
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| 05:43.47 | JoCat | For whoever asked: http://rafb.net/paste/results/a63bVk20.html This is the output from dpkg -al | grep -v ^ii. |
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| 05:45.59 | stoned | oh jeez |
| 05:46.02 | stoned | here we go again |
| 05:46.53 | JoCat | ? |
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| 05:47.47 | p0t_ | ok guys i added the madwifi pkg locations in source.list from here http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 05:48.18 | p0t_ | i added both and when i try apt-get source madwifi it cant find the package |
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| 05:49.05 | JoCat | Good luck, p0t_. I had a hell of a time with Wifi support. |
| 05:49.26 | p0t_ | JoCat, what kind of card did you have? |
| 05:49.38 | p0t_ | damn this is my first debian box and i already love it\ |
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| 05:50.26 | JoCat | I was using a d-link DWL 530. |
| 05:50.34 | JoCat | If I recall correctly. |
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| 05:50.39 | JoCat | What are you using? |
| 05:50.49 | p0t_ | atheros |
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| 05:51.01 | JoCat | Oh. That should be almost a non-issue. |
| 05:51.05 | p0t_ | those are highly supported grom what i hear |
| 05:51.09 | p0t_ | yea i know |
| 05:51.22 | p0t_ | but deb is a lot different when it comes to its pkgs |
| 05:51.32 | JoCat | From what did you migrate? |
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| 05:54.15 | p0t_ | JoCat, slackware |
| 05:54.16 | ThylekShran | NARF!!! |
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| 05:58.40 | p0t_ | source version without epoch 1.7-3 |
| 05:58.40 | p0t_ | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cvs sysutils |
| 05:58.40 | p0t_ | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 05:58.40 | p0t_ | dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) |
| 05:58.40 | p0t_ | debian:/home/p0t/madwifi-1.7# |
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| 05:58.49 | p0t_ | err |
| 05:58.52 | p0t_ | sorry |
| 05:58.56 | p0t_ | damn i cant get this to work |
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| 06:00.26 | JoCat | When I installed madwifi I ended up just going to the site, downloading the source, and building it. |
| 06:00.42 | izzyb | is there a way to find and kill off a process that is making a device busy when trying to unmount it? |
| 06:00.54 | izzyb | I've done fuser but it doesn't find anything running |
| 06:01.10 | izzyb | but something is making the device busy still |
| 06:01.20 | rohan | use umount -l izzyb, for the time being |
| 06:02.52 | izzyb | thanks rohan |
| 06:02.57 | izzyb | any idea what causes this? |
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| 06:03.20 | rohan | yes, i had the same problems.. like shows its busy, but unmounts when i use -l |
| 06:03.26 | rohan | strange though as it may sound |
| 06:04.00 | izzyb | hmm, very strange. I wonder what had it tied up |
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| 06:13.09 | NetBandit | hi there |
| 06:13.10 | NetBandit | Hey, I need a quick reminder, how did one check the total size of a directory from the commandline again? |
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| 06:15.42 | rohan | du -h |
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| 06:16.23 | NetBandit | okay, thanks! |
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| 06:18.11 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:18.11 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 06:18.22 | liable | heh |
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| 06:23.05 | valdyn | izzyb: its probably still used see umount manpage |
| 06:23.21 | valdyn | izzyb: which may be dangerous and not what you need.. |
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| 06:29.50 | easytiger | hi.. does apt have packages for rar and unrar? |
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| 06:31.25 | liable | easytiger: yes, a couple, you need non-free sources for one or two |
| 06:31.46 | easytiger | ahh. tyhat explains it. forgot about non free |
| 06:31.51 | jarango | please help: When I execute an sh script I get the following error message: bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 06:32.39 | izzyb | thanks valdyn |
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| 06:33.31 | RAMATACK | hi everybody |
| 06:33.34 | RAMATACK | I have a problem |
| 06:33.35 | liable | 9/window close 8 |
| 06:35.15 | liable | are you waiting for us to guess it? |
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| 06:35.21 | easytiger | lol |
| 06:35.24 | RAMATACK | I want to make a software raid with debian installer for the /var and /opt partitions because making a raid of / it tells when you are shutting down or rebooting after sending kill signals tmpfs too busy remounting read only; so I tried to moun / in an ide disk and only /var and /opt in raid 0 (is for a qmail server) but doesn't work. what should I do? what happens with tmpfs too busy message? |
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| 06:37.03 | easytiger | where do i get the mirrors for non free pkgs? |
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| 06:37.33 | liable | easytiger: just add non-free to the end of your sources lines |
| 06:37.44 | easytiger | ahh. cool. |
| 06:38.06 | RAMATACK | does anybody know what's my problem? I want to make a soft raid I have tried everything but one thing (/ raid 0) works but shutting down tells tmpfs too busy remounting read only mode and /var and /opt (raid 0) doesn't work because it cannot start for example syslog |
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| 06:46.27 | jarango | I noticed that my debian installation auto mounts my usb drive whenever I plug it in ? I don't have autofs package, so how is this done ? |
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| 06:48.24 | liable | gnome? ivman? usbmount? |
| 06:49.59 | jarango | liable: I have gnome |
| 06:51.28 | jarango | liable: I ask because I am having trouble running shell scripts on the usb device |
| 06:51.48 | jarango | liable: bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 06:52.24 | Manoj_ | what's wrong with /bin/sh ? |
| 06:52.33 | liable | jarango: gnome uses gnome-volume-manager, you might be able to stop the process |
| 06:52.41 | shark_ | is it a link ? |
| 06:52.56 | shark_ | does it point correctly to /bin/bash ? |
| 06:53.52 | jarango | shark_: /bin/sh is a softlink that points to /bin/bash. I do not have this problem if I mount the usb drive manually |
| 06:54.40 | jarango | liable: do you know if there is a way to set up gnome-volume-manager such that I don't get this problem ? |
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| 06:55.18 | liable | jarango: sorry, no. i dont use gnome. try the gnome channels if no one else can help |
| 06:55.46 | shark_ | jarango: can you run /bin/sh in a terminal ? |
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| 06:56.13 | Neovdr25 | Hello to all |
| 06:57.05 | Neovdr25 | I am having problem with my apache2 web server and php5 on my debian system. I can see html pages but all the php pages gives blank page |
| 06:57.27 | jarango | shark_: yes |
| 06:57.44 | shark_ | Neovdr25: you should have a look at logs... /var/log/apache |
| 06:58.15 | jarango | <shark_>: the problem seems to be related to the way the usb drive is mounted. There is no problem if I mount it manually |
| 06:58.18 | shark_ | jarango: replace the header of the "configure" from /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 06:58.25 | easytiger | i have a very bare deb install. what do i need to use usb hard disks |
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| 06:58.46 | jarango | <easytiger>: install autofs |
| 06:58.51 | shark_ | jarango: ok, use "mount" to display information about how the volume is mounted |
| 06:59.24 | easytiger | jarango: cool i've done that |
| 06:59.27 | jarango | shark_: /dev/sda1 /media/LEXAR\040MEDIA vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 06:59.36 | Neovdr25 | [Fri Jul 14 09:30:58 2006] [error] [client 81.4.145.181] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_pconnect() in /var/www/neohost-services.com/docs/Connections/myweb.php on line 9, referer: http://www.neohost-services.com/ |
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| 07:00.56 | jarango | <easytiger>: you will need to edit /etc/auto.master and /etc/auto.<dir> where <dir> is the directory where you want to mount all your media |
| 07:01.35 | easytiger | jarango: i thought they were just for nfs maping.opps |
| 07:03.16 | jarango | <easytiger>: put the following line in your auto.master: "/media /etc/auto.media" |
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| 07:04.03 | easytiger | ok |
| 07:04.24 | jarango | <easytiger>: and this line in auto.media: "usb1 -fstype=auto,uid=<username>,gid=<group>,dmask=022,fmask=033 :/dev/sda1" |
| 07:04.41 | Neovdr25 | The line that is saying that has error is this: $myweb = mysql_pconnect($hostname_myweb, $username_myweb, $password_myweb) or trigger_error(mysql_error(),E_USER_ERROR); |
| 07:04.41 | Neovdr25 | ?> |
| 07:05.40 | easytiger | ok. thanks jarango.. what next? |
| 07:05.48 | jarango | <easytiger>: the run the following command: /etc/init.d/autofs restart |
| 07:06.01 | easytiger | did that.... |
| 07:06.09 | jarango | cd /media/usb1 |
| 07:06.15 | jarango | it should work |
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| 07:07.07 | easytiger | its not though |
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| 07:07.31 | jarango | do you get an error message ? |
| 07:07.38 | easytiger | nope |
| 07:07.55 | easytiger | can i view usb devices? |
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| 07:09.22 | jarango | try this: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb, but create /mnt/usb1 first |
| 07:09.22 | easytiger | do i need a 2.6 kernel to make this work or anything? |
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| 07:09.22 | jarango | <easytiger>: you might need 2.6, I am not sure, what are you using ? |
| 07:09.32 | easytiger | sarge 3.1. |
| 07:09.41 | easytiger | 2.4.27-2-386 by default |
| 07:09.55 | jarango | Can't you upgrade ? |
| 07:10.02 | easytiger | i'll try |
| 07:11.02 | jarango | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 07:13.25 | easytiger | jarango: aptitude shows 2.6.8-12 as the highest kernel |
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| 07:15.38 | jarango | <easytiger>: that's fine |
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| 07:17.30 | easytiger | jarango: thanks. i take it this updates grub etc for me :p ? |
| 07:17.43 | easytiger | i'm transitioning from suse to debian you see |
| 07:18.17 | easytiger | its rebooting now |
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| 07:21.28 | jarango | <easytiger>: yes it does |
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| 07:22.26 | Neovdr25 | Problem fixed |
| 07:22.44 | Neovdr25 | I had to add extension=mysql.so in my php.ini |
| 07:22.48 | easytiger | jarango: when i restart autfs.. it says: failed to start automount point /media |
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| 07:24.01 | jarango | <easytiger>: make sure you have a directory called /media |
| 07:24.10 | easytiger | i do :p |
| 07:24.32 | vlt | Hello, I want to rotate a PDF file by 90 degrees. I tried pdftk and pdfjoin but found no options there to do so. What could I use? |
| 07:24.39 | easytiger | but now my entries for cd drives and floppy have gone |
| 07:26.22 | easytiger | can i get a list of devices? |
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| 07:29.58 | easytiger | the light on the external disk is now on ... |
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| 07:30.57 | krillr | whats the fastest way to install sshd? |
| 07:31.13 | krillr | apt-get install ssh? |
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| 07:32.29 | easytiger | jarango: got it to work! manually. thanks |
| 07:32.42 | easytiger | appreciate it |
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| 07:33.15 | fireba11 | hi everyone. i'm setting up a VPN via IPsec ... since the other end is at a big company they require all data to come from an unusual subnet .. can someone help me with the routing so that works ? the VPN tunnel itself is up already |
| 07:34.07 | jarango | <easytiger>: get autofs is easy too |
| 07:34.22 | easytiger | jarango: i'll look into it. cheers |
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| 07:36.55 | ace_me | hi all |
| 07:37.26 | ace_me | start x is output fatal IO error 104 and is logout |
| 07:39.48 | fireba11 | anyone ? |
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| 07:44.15 | streuner | ace_me: paste the whole log of X into paster bot |
| 07:44.17 | streuner | !paste |
| 07:44.18 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
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| 07:46.30 | sid | streuner: he's gone |
| 07:46.43 | streuner | yes |
| 07:46.55 | jkp | ive been battling for some time to get arguments to pass to vesafb properly....its a 2.6.16 build and im having no luck |
| 07:47.12 | jkp | ive read tell that only certain kernels get the options passwd through correctly |
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| 07:47.32 | jkp | im looking at a custom kernel compile to try to fix it...any other ideas/ |
| 07:47.33 | jkp | ? |
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| 07:49.25 | ace_me | so any hints for my x ? |
| 07:49.33 | streuner | ace_me: paste the whole log of X into paster bot |
| 07:49.35 | streuner | !paste |
| 07:49.35 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 07:49.46 | ace_me | I am on a other machine |
| 07:50.00 | ace_me | It could be difficult to acces from there internet I guess |
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| 07:50.37 | ace_me | it said restart gdm when it will be configured corectly |
| 07:50.38 | streuner | our crystal-thingie is in low state, we need details |
| 07:50.48 | ace_me | but where to configure it ? |
| 07:50.52 | ace_me | setupx ? |
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| 07:51.56 | streuner | we need the x.log, we need kernel version infos and some other infos |
| 07:51.57 | ace_me | cannot open device /dev/psaux |
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| 07:52.21 | ace_me | xf86opewnserial cannto open |
| 07:52.25 | streuner | do you have a PS/2 mouse |
| 07:52.40 | ace_me | preinit failed for input device configure mouse |
| 07:52.43 | ace_me | yes |
| 07:52.45 | ace_me | is ps |
| 07:52.46 | ace_me | 2 |
| 07:52.57 | ace_me | please tell me the config command |
| 07:53.07 | ace_me | why don't you name it setup ? |
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| 07:53.13 | ace_me | or setupx |
| 07:53.14 | streuner | !drxx ace_me |
| 07:53.14 | dpkg | ace_me: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:53.30 | ace_me | ok |
| 07:53.36 | streuner | Did you install X at all? |
| 07:54.08 | ace_me | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is ok but isn't that to user unfri3ndly ? |
| 07:54.18 | streuner | no |
| 07:54.56 | ace_me | ok what I should select for mouse ? psaux ? |
| 07:55.00 | jkp | ok - so im told that the 2.6.12.5 kernel works....is there somewhere i might find and old package for that? |
| 07:55.09 | streuner | ace_me: yes |
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| 07:55.18 | ace_me | PS/2 should be ok ? |
| 07:55.25 | ace_me | ImPS/2 |
| 07:55.28 | streuner | /dev/psaux if you have a PS/2 mouse |
| 07:55.37 | ace_me | and than PS/2 |
| 07:55.49 | streuner | ImPS/2 for a mouse with wheel |
| 07:56.31 | streuner | ace_me: what kind of videocard do you have? |
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| 07:56.46 | streuner | jkp: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:57.19 | ace_me | the video was ok but everytime I start x is saying cannot open input device mouse ! also at the install time was the same problem with mouse |
| 07:57.22 | jkp | 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
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| 07:57.35 | streuner | jkp: use 2.6.8 now |
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| 07:57.53 | jkp | really...wht? |
| 07:57.55 | jkp | *why |
| 07:58.06 | jkp | i had 2.6.8 but it has other issues with the sw im trying to use |
| 07:58.07 | streuner | jkp: read changelog for kernels from backports |
| 07:58.17 | ace_me | could I start without a mouse ? |
| 07:58.29 | streuner | jkp: there is a local exploit, iam not sure its fixed in those kernels... |
| 07:58.39 | jkp | streuner: not bothered about that |
| 07:58.43 | jkp | its a dev box in a VM |
| 07:58.44 | streuner | ace_me: it wouldn't be much fun :-) |
| 07:59.01 | ace_me | yes but at least I'll se is the mouse |
| 07:59.06 | krillr | ok i have a question |
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| 07:59.27 | krillr | i just installed debian on a virtual machine, and i want to forward debian's SSH port to the host machine... |
| 07:59.32 | streuner | ace_me: apt-get install mdetect |
| 07:59.40 | krillr | basically i want requests to port 8022 on the host machines' IP to forward to the VM |
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| 07:59.48 | jkp | streuner: i found the kernel im looking for on backports - if im not worried about the expoit can i just install it using -t sarge-backports? |
| 07:59.49 | krillr | what would be the best way to do this? |
| 07:59.54 | streuner | ace_me: mdectect gives you the info about protocol and device |
| 08:00.15 | streuner | jkp: read instructions on there website |
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| 08:01.37 | insmod | ace_me: cat /etc/X11/XF*-4.conf | grep mouse |
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| 08:02.12 | streuner | (he isn't on the remote machine and hasn't access to it either, IIRC) |
| 08:02.19 | peterS | UUOC award -> insmod |
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| 08:02.40 | insmod | UUOC? |
| 08:02.46 | streuner | !uuoc |
| 08:02.47 | dpkg | it has been said that uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 08:03.06 | Netcad | debian server was hacked? |
| 08:03.13 | streuner | read /topic |
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| 08:04.14 | insmod | peterS: not if you need it to gonywhere so never use ist that way -- any way i don't care |
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| 08:04.27 | insmod | peterS: not if you need it to go anywhere so never use ist that way -- any way i don't care |
| 08:05.00 | peterS | insmod: 'grep mouse /etc/X11/XF*-4.conf' is still easier to type than 'cat /etc/X11/XF*-4.conf | grep mouse'. the award is valid. |
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| 08:06.03 | insmod | peterS: if you say so - |
| 08:06.08 | insmod | :P] |
| 08:06.33 | insmod | peterS: no it still sucks |
| 08:06.46 | peterS | have you tried it? |
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| 08:06.57 | insmod | peterS: no point |
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| 08:07.04 | peterS | so how does it suck, then? |
| 08:07.17 | peterS | because it doesn't exercise your typing fingers enough? |
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| 08:08.23 | insmod | peterS: if i count you are one number off me and I can do more with cat if needed |
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| 08:09.11 | peterS | insmod: "I can do more with cat if needed" - that's totally beside the point. you _didn't_ do more with cat. you used it uselessly. hence a Useless Use of Cat award. |
| 08:09.33 | insmod | peterS: 8 words amin in grade 10 -- 1985 lol -- still 8words |
| 08:09.42 | nostZZZZZ | i'm giving you both the useless use of discussion power |
| 08:09.48 | nostZZZZZ | award |
| 08:10.05 | insmod | peterS: u make no sence |
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| 08:10.28 | peterS | insmod: two spelling mistakes in 4 words, rather impressive if I may say so |
| 08:10.29 | insmod | peterS: if it does what is needed wtf |
| 08:11.08 | peterS | insmod: it is still a useless use of cat. hence the award, which is named the Useless Use of Cat award. you used two commands, including cat, where one would have done as well. that means the second command, which is cat, was useless. |
| 08:11.15 | insmod | peterS: like i saud 8 words a min -- but u should ask my wife - i am worse |
| 08:11.41 | insmod | peterS: it is wrong -- just drop it |
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| 08:12.08 | peterS | insmod: uh. you are taking this personally. you seem to think I accused you of doing something wrong. you did not do anything wrong. you just did something useless. |
| 08:12.20 | insmod | peterS: moron you typed one letter less then i did |
| 08:12.44 | peterS | insmod: I also didn't call you a moron, so I keep the moral high ground, which is always nice. HAND. |
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| 08:14.15 | peterS | insmod: how do you go from 4 letters to 1 letter? I typed 4 letters and a punctuation character and a space less than you did |
| 08:14.44 | peterS | insmod: you should have quit while you were behind, before you started to say things that were so obviously not true that they make you look foolish |
| 08:14.58 | insmod | anyone want to test my prog http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/ -- not you peterS |
| 08:15.26 | insmod | peterS: whatever -- you are wrong -- but whatever |
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| 08:16.08 | peterS | insmod: does "you are wrong", in your language, really mean "everything you've said is correct but it's embarrassing to admit it and I have a persecution complex"? |
| 08:16.48 | insmod | peterS: just stop man -- 2 ways to do 2 things k! |
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| 08:18.05 | streuner | haha |
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| 08:19.04 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I prefer the useless use of less award... or just 'use-less' |
| 08:19.16 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ha |
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| 08:19.26 | peterS | insmod: you can do things however you wish. but I still reserve the right to hand out UUOC Awards when people demonstrate useless uses of cat. I don't see why you're so dead set against this form of user education about shell utilities? |
| 08:19.46 | streuner | insmod: you are banned, because you insulted him. |
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| 08:19.55 | peterS | streuner: what? no he isn't |
| 08:20.12 | insmod | whatever -- wrong -- but whatever |
| 08:20.13 | streuner | oh, you are right |
| 08:20.15 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that was a ban for something that happend 2 hours ago |
| 08:20.42 | dondelelcaro | probably useless, but the individual in question was a net zero anyway |
| 08:20.43 | peterS | insmod: if you're going to keep repeating "you are wrong", tell me what is actually wrong. so far everything I've said is true, which is the opposite of wrong. |
| 08:21.02 | simonrvn | !uuoc |
| 08:21.03 | dpkg | from memory, uuoc is Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 08:21.25 | insmod | peterS: oh you where me you try me u are god -- shut ok |
| 08:21.40 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: Useless =~ s/Useless/<reply> UUOC is the Useless/ |
| 08:21.40 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 08:21.40 | streuner | Don't argue about useless, it doesn't has any effort - only headaches |
| 08:21.45 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: uuoc =~ s/Useless/<reply> UUOC is the Useless/ |
| 08:21.45 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 08:22.28 | dondelelcaro | charming... useless was a totally useless factoid anyway |
| 08:22.37 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 08:22.51 | streuner | hehe |
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| 08:23.09 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, useless is <reply> This is a useless factoid. Use it to uselessly amuse yourself with it's useless utility |
| 08:23.10 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 08:23.21 | peterS | apostrophe abuse! |
| 08:23.30 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 08:23.31 | peterS | !useless =~ s/'// |
| 08:23.31 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 08:23.43 | dondelelcaro | so long as I didn't write they're're it's ok. |
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| 08:28.50 | jkp | what do i do to reset aptitudes current state? |
| 08:29.02 | jkp | its in a mess and thinks it needs to download loads of stuff that it does |
| 08:29.04 | jkp | *doesnt |
| 08:29.27 | streuner | sounds like bobbitt |
| 08:29.35 | jkp | its coz i ran that stupid configuration program where you get to choose whether you want to be a desktop or a server or whatever and it put a load of stuff in aptitude |
| 08:29.40 | streuner | jkp: how does your sources.list looks like? |
| 08:29.42 | stoned | lol |
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| 08:29.54 | jkp | streuner: normal, just added backports |
| 08:30.27 | streuner | jkp: if you misconfigured it, it want upgrade all packages from backports as well... |
| 08:30.40 | jkp | its not that im pretty sure |
| 08:30.52 | streuner | ok, read instructions again |
| 08:30.58 | jkp | this is all stuff i dont even have on my system |
| 08:31.05 | jkp | so i cant see how it wants to upgrade |
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| 08:32.37 | streuner | if you aren't familar with aptitude just use apt-get |
| 08:32.50 | streuner | or something you are more familar |
| 08:33.51 | jkp | streuner: is there no way to get it to rescan what it needs to install? |
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| 08:35.24 | streuner_ | jkp: check out changelog |
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| 08:36.29 | topa_ | anyone installed sarge on IBM OpenPower servers ? |
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| 08:36.39 | topa_ | I'm not able to get it to boot |
| 08:37.01 | streuner_ | What arch is that? |
| 08:37.45 | insmod | peterS: are you still telling people they are useless -- u don't make friends that what |
| 08:38.01 | simonrvn | probably ppc64 |
| 08:38.10 | peterS | insmod: uh ... when did I tell anyone he or she was useless? |
| 08:38.30 | streuner_ | insmod: he didn't tell you you are useless, he told you you used something useless, that's big difference |
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| 08:38.49 | sid | simonrvn: ppc64 exists? |
| 08:38.53 | simonrvn | the argument is useless ;) |
| 08:39.12 | simonrvn | in some version of the current universe yes |
| 08:39.13 | streuner_ | simonrvn: don't make me *argue* about that! |
| 08:39.18 | insmod | streuner_: ya and when he is wrong it is just funny |
| 08:39.26 | streuner_ | drop it |
| 08:39.39 | topa_ | streuner, yes powerpc64 |
| 08:39.48 | peterS | insmod: when I am wrong it _is_ funny. I don't think I've been wrong in the past hour, though. |
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| 08:40.02 | insmod | streuner: that is what i want |
| 08:40.04 | topa_ | I'm running into BUG# 330636 |
| 08:40.15 | streuner_ | !dbugs 330636 |
| 08:40.17 | cklaus | hey all. anybody knows how to get glx 1.3 in debian ? |
| 08:40.18 | dpkg | #330636:N[installation-reports] ppc64 openpower710; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:18:07 UTC |
| 08:40.33 | simonrvn | sid: wait, did you mean debian support of ppc64 or the arch? |
| 08:41.04 | peterS | except by your definition of "wrong", which as far as I can tell seems to be "uh, maybe not actually _wrong_, but he said something and provided evidence for it that contradicts something I said" |
| 08:41.05 | insmod | peterS: drop it |
| 08:41.20 | sid | simonrvn: the arch |
| 08:41.43 | insmod | peterS: man you will never get a job lol :) |
| 08:41.44 | simonrvn | sid: ppc was concieved as a 64 bit cpu |
| 08:41.48 | peterS | insmod: hey, you're the one who brought it up again, asking if I was calling people useless, which I haven't done all night |
| 08:42.19 | insmod | peterS: then night man |
| 08:42.31 | peterS | insmod: is it past your curfew? later dude |
| 08:42.33 | insmod | peterS: pest |
| 08:42.50 | simonrvn | i know how to fix this... |
| 08:42.53 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
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| 08:43.24 | streuner_ | *plonk* |
| 08:44.25 | simonrvn | sid: the first ones were 'downgraded' to 32 bit |
| 08:44.32 | arkygeek | hi everyone. i am trying to set my intel i915 to not use the crt as a clone, but not having luck.. any ideas where to go for a howto? (that is gonna hold my hand - kinda new here....) |
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| 08:45.08 | streuner_ | arkygeek: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 08:46.09 | arkygeek | streuner: libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 08:46.18 | streuner_ | arkygeek: |
| 08:46.20 | insmod | arkygeek: edit /etc/X11/XF* or xorg |
| 08:46.23 | streuner_ | arkygeek: #ubuntu |
| 08:46.37 | arkygeek | thx insmod |
| 08:46.43 | arkygeek | streuner i was there... |
| 08:46.57 | insmod | streuner_: ? |
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| 08:51.55 | DaLeach | why the heck does my apt-get have to remove packages i still don't understand this |
| 08:52.39 | DaLeach | how is one going to get in the way with antoher... if its not 2 versions of the same thing but completely different... |
| 08:52.59 | streuner | give us an example, it might be easier then |
| 08:53.11 | DaLeach | the otehr day it wanted to remove my "comix" ..the comics reader.. i mean why? |
| 08:53.15 | streuner | what error, what message |
| 08:53.23 | DaLeach | ok well i'm taling general principle |
| 08:53.56 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:53.58 | streuner | well, the system thinks, that package isn't useful for your system |
| 08:54.05 | stew | DaLeach: give us a specific example. show us what command you are typing and what output you are getting, use a pastebin |
| 08:54.15 | streuner | !paste |
| 08:54.15 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 08:54.19 | stew | DaLeach: get us the info in /msg dpkg bat |
| 08:54.30 | DaLeach | ok |
| 08:54.36 | DaLeach | never mind guys |
| 08:55.29 | stew | DaLeach: if i had to guess, i'd guess that you are on unstable, and the python transition is making python-gtk2 get removed which comix depends on |
| 08:55.51 | stew | DaLeach: but i'd be guessing wildly, because you won't give us specifics |
| 08:55.52 | DaLeach | isn't it a compiled binary!? |
| 08:55.52 | streuner | really good 'guess' :-) |
| 08:56.01 | DaLeach | its making calls to gtk? |
| 08:56.03 | DaLeach | sigh |
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| 08:56.08 | stew | !depends comix |
| 08:56.11 | dpkg | comix: depends on gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2), python (>= 2.3), python-gtk2 (>= 2.6), python-imaging (>= 1.1.4) |
| 08:56.53 | DaLeach | oh boy ok |
| 08:57.01 | stew | DaLeach: are you in fact on unstable? |
| 08:57.05 | DaLeach | testing |
| 08:57.17 | DaLeach | i heard I should def not be on testing I should be using stable |
| 08:57.21 | DaLeach | is it too late to change? |
| 08:57.42 | DaLeach | anyway to go stable from this poitn onward? |
| 08:57.47 | stew | DaLeach: yes, you probably should be using stable. you'd have to reinstall however |
| 08:57.53 | DaLeach | ok |
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| 08:59.41 | DaLeach | one last question what does it mean ...b4 recently i never had this |
| 08:59.46 | DaLeach | i have like piA |
| 08:59.47 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 08:59.53 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:59.53 | DaLeach | next to some |
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| 09:01.26 | magnus | When I try to run 32 bit applications in my amd64 debian it just says "<executable>: no such file", what is wrong? |
| 09:01.35 | TARZEAU | magnus: guess what |
| 09:02.13 | magnus | 1 < TARZEAU> mag |
| 09:02.17 | magnus | oops |
| 09:02.36 | magnus | I maybe need some kernel module or apt-get something to get it to execute |
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| 09:02.56 | magnus | (strange and unintuitive message though) |
| 09:02.57 | TARZEAU | magnus: no it'll not work, unless you do a chroot |
| 09:03.49 | magnus | I was following these instructions: |
| 09:03.52 | magnus | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-62685.html |
| 09:04.11 | magnus | "how to play wmv9 files without a chroot", and it involves executing a 32 bit mplayer, so it should work without a chroot? |
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| 09:04.53 | TARZEAU | magnus: but these are not debian |
| 09:05.17 | TARZEAU | magnus: i don't know those insturctions show a very old mplayer deb |
| 09:05.29 | TARZEAU | magnus: i build my own, and don't run amd64 debian but 32bit i386 |
| 09:05.43 | TARZEAU | magnus: is your movie online? |
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| 09:06.15 | magnus | hm ok |
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| 09:07.24 | magnus | I got another tip from amd64 now: install ia32-libs |
| 09:07.30 | magnus | so it works now |
| 09:07.38 | magnus | :) |
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| 09:07.54 | TARZEAU | magnus: where do you get ia32-libs? a debian package from main? |
| 09:07.55 | magnus | (#debian-amd64 that is) |
| 09:07.57 | magnus | yeah |
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| 09:08.49 | ace_me | how to see my eth0 ip and dns |
| 09:09.12 | streuner | ace_me: ifconfig |
| 09:09.42 | streuner | ace_me: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:10.15 | ace_me | that is GW |
| 09:10.26 | ace_me | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:11.03 | zzz | Hi! I created a raid5 md device with debian installer cd, and i created a partition on the md device (md0), but there is no md0p1 device after using fdisk. What can i do, i mean, how can i reach the newly created partition? |
| 09:11.04 | streuner | GW=gateway? |
| 09:11.11 | ace_me | yes |
| 09:11.23 | ace_me | and how to enter setup network? |
| 09:11.24 | streuner | use 'route -n' to show your gw |
| 09:11.46 | streuner | ace_me: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 09:12.11 | [TACO] | ace_me: DHCP or Static? |
| 09:12.18 | ace_me | static |
| 09:12.29 | [TACO] | simple way |
| 09:12.34 | ace_me | yes |
| 09:12.49 | [TACO] | route -n or cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:12.54 | streuner | read the factoid, you'll need it |
| 09:12.57 | [TACO] | the latter one displays everything |
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| 09:13.10 | stojmir | hi |
| 09:13.55 | ace_me | ? |
| 09:14.30 | streuner | !tell ace_me about interfaces |
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| 09:14.59 | stojmir | I have a small 486 box that is runing debian. If i connect a device on serial port that sends some random crap, i cant boot the box. If i remove the serial device, everything is working fine. In var/log/messages i get this: Jul 14 08:10:40 (none) kernel: ttyS0: 1 input overrun(s). Im preaty sure thats causing the problem. Any hints? |
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| 09:15.47 | [TACO] | how about you give us a hint, what device? |
| 09:15.49 | fireba11 | i need some help solving a routing issue .. anyone can help with that? |
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| 09:16.02 | stojmir | gps device |
| 09:16.19 | stojmir | it sends coordinates in plain text |
| 09:16.23 | streuner | routing issues are in most cases, problems in interfaces |
| 09:16.28 | [TACO] | fireba11: state the medical emergency? lol |
| 09:16.30 | streuner | (in debian) |
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| 09:16.51 | stojmir | why is the kernel bothering with the input from the gps device? |
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| 09:17.07 | [TACO] | stojmir: he may have a module thats trying to interpret it |
| 09:17.49 | fireba11 | [TACO] *g* i need to set up a VPN via IPsec to a big customer of ours ... now the VPN connection is up but no data going trough. as far as i can tell the problem is the customer is requiring all access to his network coming from some wired subnet ... now i have to fix my routing to follow that |
| 09:18.31 | [TACO] | beyond me, I appologise. I'm not much into advanced routing issues. |
| 09:18.40 | Gnea | fireba11: sounds more like a firewall issue on his end |
| 09:18.53 | stojmir | here is some snip from the messages |
| 09:18.54 | stojmir | http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=7531 |
| 09:18.56 | umar | which pacakge is needed for bluetooth -support in debian for gnome desktop |
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| 09:18.59 | fireba11 | Gnea no .. no data arriving at their end |
| 09:19.13 | stojmir | no modules are loaded when the device is connected |
| 09:19.21 | Gnea | fireba11: right, as in 'deny all incoming traffic except for ...' |
| 09:19.41 | stojmir | and i get lots of "ttyS0: input overrun(s)" |
| 09:20.05 | fireba11 | Gnea ..exept for traffic origination from subnet ... and thus i have to somehow route the data so it seems to be comming from that subnet i guess |
| 09:20.13 | [TACO] | ath_hal? |
| 09:20.17 | Gnea | fireba11: a vpn is just an encrypted channel over a port |
| 09:20.25 | stojmir | atheros wireless card |
| 09:20.32 | [TACO] | makes sense |
| 09:20.52 | [TACO] | fireba11: if you need something like that (why I do not know), try a proxy :P |
| 09:21.00 | Gnea | fireba11: right, the ip information on both ends will need to match up |
| 09:21.06 | sdschulze | "It only exists in the Linux kernel 2.6.13 up to versions before 2.6.17.4, and 2.6.16 before 2.6.16.24." |
| 09:21.11 | sdschulze | That doesn't make sense to me. |
| 09:21.30 | Gnea | fireba11: do you have a specific range set on the server-side? |
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| 09:21.38 | [TACO] | sdschulze: what existence are we talking about? |
| 09:21.50 | Gnea | sdschulze: it's zdnet, they're a bunch of tards |
| 09:22.03 | [TACO] | ohhh hahaha |
| 09:22.03 | sdschulze | of the recent infamous vulnerability |
| 09:22.14 | sdschulze | Gnea: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20060713 |
| 09:22.17 | fireba11 | Gnea: unfortunately yes .. that customer got about 1000 VPN incoming so they said i have to follow those specs they give me .. ^^ |
| 09:22.25 | stojmir | [TACO]: and here is the same snip from messages but with the dps device disconnected: http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=7533 |
| 09:23.06 | sdschulze | Could you exactly define the range? |
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| 09:23.35 | nuke | where do i change documentroot of apache2 in debian from? |
| 09:23.43 | sdschulze | in terms of Debian-style versions, if possible |
| 09:23.46 | susp3ct | Hi guys, is there a linux mail client that supports exchange features? |
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| 09:23.56 | infernix | susp3ct: Evolution |
| 09:23.56 | stojmir | susp3ct: evolution |
| 09:24.10 | fireba11 | Gnea they require me to have a local of 172.28.215.200 /29 ... naturally i'm not using that subnet at all ... |
| 09:24.12 | susp3ct | is that the only one? |
| 09:24.17 | infernix | pretty much, iirc |
| 09:24.26 | sdschulze | Is 2.6.15-1 affected? |
| 09:24.38 | liable | yes |
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| 09:26.05 | sdschulze | What shall I do? Upgrade to sid's 2.6.17? |
| 09:26.31 | liable | sdschulze: unless they fixed it today, it is vulnerable too |
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| 09:27.33 | nuke | my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty, there is stuff in apache2.conf, so do i do changes in apche2.conf to set my documentroot? |
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| 09:28.24 | streuner | sdschulze: yes, you need 2.6.17-4 |
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| 09:28.47 | streuner | sdschulze: the packages called 2.6.17-3 in debian, but according to changelog its fixed. |
| 09:28.48 | jonnylamb | nuke: yep |
| 09:28.55 | infernix | liable, what vulnerability are you speaking of? |
| 09:29.13 | Gnea | fireba11: 1k connections? |
| 09:29.14 | liable | actually, sids 2.6.17 isnt vulnerable |
| 09:29.27 | streuner | the very latest one |
| 09:29.40 | liable | infernix: the prctl problem |
| 09:29.41 | streuner | those which are in repos now are ok |
| 09:30.00 | liable | ah, that was updated today |
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| 09:30.20 | fireba11 | gnea yes .. anyway i only need one of course :-) |
| 09:30.36 | streuner | Gnea: what happend (backports)? |
| 09:30.39 | insmod | . |
| 09:30.43 | k2 | Hi all. What do you see at "linux:8002"? |
| 09:31.04 | Gnea | ack |
| 09:31.05 | Gnea | fucking lag |
| 09:31.21 | streuner | Gnea: are those kernels fixed now? |
| 09:31.24 | Gnea | streuner: well i'm testing sid's 2.6.17 in sarge |
| 09:31.33 | Gnea | streuner: dunno, been at work all night |
| 09:31.47 | streuner | Gnea: it wouldn't be hard to just read changelog... |
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| 09:32.01 | Crissi | hello |
| 09:32.01 | susp3ct | hrmm evolution only authenticates through OWA :( the coprate net that im connected to dont enable that. |
| 09:32.04 | sdschulze | I'm just unsure about the defined range. |
| 09:32.10 | Gnea | fireba11: ok, that's easy enough, just attach a route of that subnet to the device in question |
| 09:32.11 | Crissi | whats going wrong with gimp in unstable? |
| 09:32.16 | streuner | Gena: besides, 2.4.x kernels aren't effected |
| 09:32.21 | Crissi | gimp: Depends: gimp-data (= 2.2.11-3.1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 09:32.26 | Gnea | streuner: right now, i'm lazy :P |
| 09:32.29 | streuner | Crissi: lookt at BTS |
| 09:32.33 | Crissi | ok |
| 09:32.38 | Gnea | i'm looking for a firmer solution ATM |
| 09:32.42 | fireba11 | gnea deatils please? i'm a noob at manual routing |
| 09:32.52 | streuner | Gnea: if you have any other users you are able to access your system, you aren't only lazy... |
| 09:32.57 | Gnea | fireba11: do you have iproute installed? |
| 09:32.57 | liable | sdschulze: for debian kernels, you need to read the changelog to see what dot number its up to. aptitude changelog linux-image-foo |
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| 09:33.15 | Gnea | streuner: my systems are very strict in the number of users on them. |
| 09:33.18 | fireba11 | Gnea no... |
| 09:33.25 | streuner | slap yourself |
| 09:33.28 | sdschulze | Is it supposed to read: >= 2.6.13 upto < 2.6.17.4 excluding 2.6.16 versions >= 2.6.16.24 ? |
| 09:33.34 | Gnea | fuck yourself |
| 09:33.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:33.51 | Gnea | fireba11: ok, apt-get install iproute |
| 09:34.10 | Gnea | streuner: anyway, i'm doing some updates and checking it out |
| 09:34.18 | Gnea | !beer streuner |
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| 09:34.28 | fireba11 | Gnea: what's the difference between iproute and route anyway ß |
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| 09:34.41 | [TACO] | stojmir: no idea, I've looked into it and cannot find much |
| 09:34.55 | [TACO] | stojmir: I can only guess at what it is, but thats not going to get a solution |
| 09:34.57 | Gnea | fireba11: iproute gives you the ip command, which is basically ifconfig+route plus it's a lot more powerful and extendable |
| 09:35.26 | Gnea | fireba11: for instance, you can add multiple ip's and routes to an interface directly with iproute, something you can't do with ifconfig (ifconfig supports ip aliases, which is retarded) |
| 09:35.45 | fireba11 | gnea ah .. i'm afraid my router box is no debian though :-( so i can't just apt-get it |
| 09:35.50 | Gnea | fireba11: so you could put 5 ip's on eth0, for instance, instead of one ip on eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1 and so on... |
| 09:35.57 | Gnea | fireba11: what's it running? |
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| 09:36.07 | fireba11 | Gnea: IPcop if you know that |
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| 09:37.13 | sdschulze | streuner: I also read it the way it's fixed in 2.6.17-3. |
| 09:37.20 | [TACO] | stojmir: how often does the device send information? |
| 09:37.26 | streuner | sdschulze: in debian yes |
| 09:37.53 | Gnea | fireba11: that's fucked up, i just checked it out and ipcop looks nice, but no iproute? gah... |
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| 09:38.18 | Gnea | fireba11: you should find out if ipcop offers an iproute package of some sort |
| 09:38.19 | sdschulze | How will it be fixed in etch? |
| 09:38.24 | sdschulze | upgrade to 2.6.16? |
| 09:38.37 | Gnea | i just searched their forum support site and found one thing, and it didn't hint at much |
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| 09:40.10 | streuner | sdschulze: in doubt just read changelog |
| 09:40.14 | Gnea | fireba11: well, you could try: route add net 172.28.215.200/29 dev br0 (or whatever the virtual device IPcop is using) |
| 09:40.40 | sdschulze | streuner: Well, it hasn't happened yet. |
| 09:41.08 | streuner | *cough* try an unstable kernel then... |
| 09:41.08 | Gnea | fireba11: you may need to get specific, since ifconfig/route isn't usually that intelligent: route add net 172.28.215.200 brd 172.28.215.207 netmask 255.255.255.248 dev br0 |
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| 09:41.26 | Gnea | a simple iproute would be: ip r a 172.28.215.200/29 dev br0 |
| 09:41.43 | Gnea | fireba11: are they using the entire range? |
| 09:41.43 | fireba11 | hm .. okay |
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| 09:41.54 | fireba11 | what range ? |
| 09:41.57 | Gnea | the /29 |
| 09:42.03 | Gnea | Usable range - 172.28.215.201 - 172.28.215.206 |
| 09:42.17 | fireba11 | they gave me that a slocal .. i guess just one IP would do too |
| 09:42.52 | Gnea | you should find out what ip's in that range they are using on their end, and ask which ip they would prefer to have on the server end |
| 09:42.56 | sdschulze | Well, my machine isn't publicly accessible for login, but thanks anyway. |
| 09:43.07 | Gnea | if they haven't already specified |
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| 09:43.55 | Gnea | fireba11: because adding the route may not work like that, you may have to add an ip to it |
| 09:43.56 | fireba11 | nah .. that 172.28.215.200/29 is the range of IP they permit to access ... |
| 09:44.27 | fireba11 | gah .. why do they have to make it that complicated |
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| 09:44.45 | stoned | ok before he kills me |
| 09:44.48 | stoned | I'm gonna go to bed |
| 09:44.49 | stoned | :D |
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| 09:46.45 | saintiss | hi |
| 09:46.56 | saintiss | does anybody know how I can get contents in /var/lib/bluetooth? |
| 09:47.07 | saintiss | I removed the directory which was there, but I can't seem to get it back |
| 09:47.14 | saintiss | which package should I reinstall/reconfigure? |
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| 09:51.07 | Sloboda | Hi! How to install pdflib for php? What package need I? I search apt-cache search pdf | grep -i php |
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| 09:53.19 | Sloboda | I have installed php4-ps and |
| 09:53.20 | Sloboda | php-fpdf |
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| 09:54.53 | Sloboda | but phpinfo() contains no entry about pdf |
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| 09:57.01 | niru | can I know what is the irc for localization |
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| 09:58.52 | aeronadix | I installed hostap-source, where would it be? I'm looking in /usr |
| 09:59.25 | zapalotta | Hi. How do I get an older package? I need lesstif2_0.93 but there is only 0.94 in the pool |
| 09:59.39 | streuner | !sdn |
| 09:59.39 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 10:00.01 | zapalotta | thx, streuner |
| 10:00.32 | aeronadix | is there anything wrong with "find /usr -name hostap"? |
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| 10:02.50 | liable | aeronadix: when you apt-get source, it goes in the dir where you called it from |
| 10:03.13 | zapalotta | hmm, I only find lesstif1-1 in that version |
| 10:03.36 | liable | aeronadix: if its a source package in normal repo, prolly in /usr/src |
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| 10:04.25 | aeronadix | liable, thanks |
| 10:04.43 | liable | no worries |
| 10:06.09 | aeronadix | how do you compile hostap-sources into a kernel. You run menuconfig, and then you run hostap in the same directory? |
| 10:06.39 | liable | aeronadix: using m-a a-i hostap-source will prolly be the easiest way |
| 10:07.30 | aeronadix | liable, what do you mean? |
| 10:07.39 | liable | aeronadix: module assistant |
| 10:08.29 | aeronadix | liable, cool thanks |
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| 10:11.38 | aeronadix | when you run make menuconfig, where is the config file, in the current directrory? |
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| 10:14.34 | Gnea | aeronadix: any -source package will go in /usr/src |
| 10:14.38 | Gnea | oops |
| 10:14.51 | Gnea | delayed reaction |
| 10:14.59 | Gnea | aeronadix: .config |
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| 10:15.06 | aeronadix | Gnea, thank |
| 10:15.08 | aeronadix | s |
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| 10:15.56 | aeronadix | when you run "make menuconfig" does it take you current systems kernel configuration? where from/ |
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| 10:18.06 | Gnea | aeronadix: if there is no .config there, it uses its own default values |
| 10:18.30 | Gnea | !kernel config |
| 10:18.30 | dpkg | kernel configs is, like, found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
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| 10:19.34 | __ne2k | ello, anyone here? |
| 10:21.00 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 10:21.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:21.07 | __ne2k | I'm using devfs (it seems by accident) and the /dev/ppp node isn't created automagically. I think this is because it's not supported. I guess I have to make it "manually". Is there a neat /debian/ way to do this? |
| 10:21.57 | Gnea | __ne2k: what kernel and branch of debian are you using? |
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| 10:23.12 | ace_me | may I ask again help to start my x ? how to reconfig it ! I promisse that I'l save the info in a file |
| 10:23.21 | __ne2k | Gnea: kernel is 2.4.23-custom (supplied by a motherboard manufacturer) and debian is 3.1 |
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| 10:24.16 | cyzie | someone who has haxor debian server must be very bery clever! |
| 10:24.17 | Gnea | __ne2k: what mobo manufacturer? |
| 10:24.40 | susp3ct | ace_me, what problems are you having? |
| 10:24.47 | Gnea | cyzie: not as clever as your mom. |
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| 10:24.56 | cyzie | Gnea, LoL. why? |
| 10:24.58 | __ne2k | Gnea: you won't have heard of it. it's a motherboard for an embedded application (Single Board Computer) |
| 10:25.01 | susp3ct | ohh no mum jokes |
| 10:25.18 | Gnea | __ne2k: *blink* do i look like a n00b? |
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| 10:27.12 | __ne2k | Gnea: sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that you were a n00b, whatever that means! the manufacturer is technologic systems, but I don't think it's important. I just wondered if there's a debian-ish way to do something like creating an extra node in /dev/ (I'm not using devfsd). |
| 10:27.19 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 10:27.47 | Gnea | __ne2k: actually, it's extremely important, because the kernel you're using is not a debian-supplied kernel. |
| 10:27.47 | Bushmills | nor udev? |
| 10:27.49 | cyzie | Gnea, LoL. why? |
| 10:28.02 | Gnea | cyzie: shut up |
| 10:28.13 | cyzie | Gnea, YOU shut up |
| 10:28.17 | Gnea | !troll cyzie |
| 10:28.22 | aeronadix | gnea thanks (/boot) |
| 10:28.23 | cyzie | hehe |
| 10:28.37 | Gnea | ~troll cyzie |
| 10:28.39 | apt | ACTION hereby declares cyzie a troll |
| 10:28.43 | Gnea | yes, laugh it up. |
| 10:28.45 | cyzie | hehe |
| 10:29.01 | cyzie | gongbin |
| 10:29.23 | Bushmills | __ne2k: you could have a look at / edit the script /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 10:29.55 | Bushmills | __ne2k: otherwise, nothing wrong with using mknod |
| 10:30.40 | aeronadix | can I use config-2.6.8 when I run menuconfig for a new config-2.6.9? |
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| 10:30.56 | Gnea | cyzie: you know something about breaking into debian systems or something? |
| 10:31.17 | aeronadix | 2.6.8 to 2.8.16 |
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| 10:31.25 | __ne2k | Gnea: I am aware of this. my question is not "why does /dev/ppp not appear when I use defvs in a non-Debian kernel" but is "is there a debian way (i.e., startup scripts) of getting it in there?" just wondering if there's a sort of approved way of doing that sort of thing. I can always hack it. |
| 10:31.36 | Gnea | aeronadix: yes, it will just ask you new questions |
| 10:31.45 | aeronadix | Gnea, cool |
| 10:32.16 | Gnea | __ne2k: well, i'm not sure exactly how debian does it, but mine shows: crw------- 1 root root 108, 0 1982-07-11 22:11 /dev/ppp |
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| 10:32.35 | Tidus | Gnea, you must be foolish if you think debian is so secure it can't be broken... no offense or anything. |
| 10:32.36 | Gnea | usually udev sets all that up |
| 10:32.53 | Gnea | Tidus: you must be foolish to think that i think that debian is so secure. |
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| 10:33.16 | Gnea | anyone with a clue knows that it's only as secure as one makes it. |
| 10:33.33 | Bushmills | objections. |
| 10:33.52 | Gnea | it was nothing but luck and a bit of password incompetence. |
| 10:33.56 | Bushmills | there's aspects even someone *with* clue can't safeguard against |
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| 10:34.11 | Gnea | Bushmills: i didn't say there wasn't. |
| 10:34.18 | aeronadix | how long does a make on a new kernel take? 1 hr |
| 10:34.29 | Bushmills | remember ssh privilege escalation some years ago |
| 10:34.44 | Gnea | aeronadix: depends how much crap you're throwing at it, what cpu/mem you have, what else is running |
| 10:34.49 | Bushmills | aeronadix: 5..10 minutes is a reasonable guess |
| 10:34.59 | __ne2k | Bushmills: thanks. the trouble is that /sbin/MAKEDEV looks for the presence of devfs and then decides that it's not going to run. |
| 10:35.04 | Gnea | Bushmills: completely different scenario. |
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| 10:35.17 | Bushmills | __ne2k: you said that you *don't* use devfsd |
| 10:35.17 | __ne2k | Gnea: yeah great. I'm not running udev as udev requires a 2.6 kernel, and I'm using a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:35.25 | aeronadix | its secure for not getting viruses and crashing |
| 10:35.34 | Bushmills | __ne2k: MAKEDEV complains if you *do* run it |
| 10:35.37 | Gnea | __ne2k: anyway, there you have it |
| 10:36.17 | Gnea | mknod --mode 600 /dev/ppp c 108 0 |
| 10:36.27 | Gnea | mknod --m 600 /dev/ppp c 108 0 |
| 10:36.34 | Bushmills | Gnea: just generic objections to what sounded to me like "system as secure as a person - not clueless - makes it" |
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| 10:36.43 | Gnea | __ne2k: i typo'd the first one |
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| 10:37.50 | Gnea | Bushmills: that's fine |
| 10:38.38 | Gnea | !beer Bushmills |
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| 10:39.09 | __ne2k | Bushmills: well, I'm slightly confused. devfs is clearly running on this kernel version, because all the files in /dev/ are different from what they are if I run a differnet kernel, or if I look in the actual /dev directory, and /proc/mounts shows "none /dev devfs rw 0 0" (interestingly, "mount" doesn't output this line). however, I'm not running devfsd, the daemon which creates the links to the legacy device file names |
| 10:40.18 | __ne2k | Bushmills: however, I'm confused, because the file /dev/.devfsd exists, which is what MAKEDEV detects and then borks. So... devfsd isn't running (and I don't want to run it), but MAKEDEV thinks it is because devfs is putting this file there. |
| 10:41.05 | ace_me | susp3ct my x is not starting |
| 10:41.33 | __ne2k | Bushmills: so... should I just kluge it by creating a script in /dev/rcS.d/ that does the mknod? or (my original question) is there a cleaner, more debianish way? |
| 10:41.45 | __ne2k | Bushmills: sorry, I meant /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 10:41.53 | __ne2k | Bushmills: (got /dev/ on the brain ;-)) |
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| 10:43.15 | Gnea | __ne2k: is devfsd installed? |
| 10:43.34 | Gnea | __ne2k: and why don't want to run it? |
| 10:44.19 | Gnea | +you |
| 10:45.20 | __ne2k | Gnea: because this is an embedded application and a) I'd rather not incur the processor and memory overhead and b) devices are not being connected and unplugged. |
| 10:46.29 | __ne2k | Gnea: however, I /do/ want to use devfs, because it saves the storage on disk of loads of node files, and it works well for everything else apart from /dev/ppp |
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| 10:47.17 | __ne2k | Gnea: devfsd is meant to be a transitional helper application to tide people over until they get used to using the new style of /dev/ layout. |
| 10:47.37 | ace_me | dpkg startx reconfigure ? |
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| 10:48.53 | __ne2k | Gnea: I know that devfs is now deprecated in favour of udev, but that requires 2.6 kernel, and I can't use a 2.6 kernel because it doesn't support a piece of hardware I'm using that has a proprietary driver! |
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| 10:51.03 | Tidus | __ne2k, what piece of hardware might that be? |
| 10:51.09 | ace_me | startx reconfigure ? or how please |
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| 10:51.19 | blondie | debhelper: fuck you |
| 10:51.31 | Tidus | ace_me, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg if you're on etch or sid |
| 10:51.34 | Tidus | dont know about sarge |
| 10:51.38 | __ne2k | Tidus: if I told you, I'd have to kill you |
| 10:52.02 | Alam_Debian | you have to kill all of us |
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| 10:53.34 | Bushmills | (11:44:26) Bushmills: __ne2k: not sure. what does ps aux | grep dev say? |
| 10:53.34 | Bushmills | (11:44:47) Bushmills: Gnea: tnx for the sip |
| 10:53.50 | Tidus | __ne2k, don't have to be so technical about it lol... all i can say is if you cant divulge the internals of the hardware, check with the manufacturer |
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| 10:54.45 | Gnea | __ne2k: sorry about that again, got laggy |
| 10:55.04 | __ne2k | Tidus: I have the source code from the manufacturer, but I don't have the skills at the moment to port the driver to 2.6 (nor do I actually need to -- 2.4 is fine for what I want to do) nor the time to learn the skills |
| 10:55.14 | Orfeous | are there any script or command to ask a dhcp-server for a specific ipaddress and if that is available the client gets it? |
| 10:55.19 | Gnea | __ne2k: sounds like a catch-22, wish i knew more about embedded systems other than my ipaq |
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| 10:55.49 | jarango | is there a program that can capture a window into a video clip ? |
| 10:56.03 | __ne2k | Orfeous: this ought to be a configuration option in your dhcp client |
| 10:56.14 | Orfeous | __ne2k: is it possible to do? |
| 10:56.32 | __ne2k | Orfeous: it's certainly supported in the dhcp protocol, that's all I know |
| 10:56.35 | Tidus | i have *accidentally* static ips |
| 10:56.49 | Tidus | the dhcp server stores my mac address and assigns me the same IP based on which card i have in |
| 10:57.24 | Orfeous | i got dhcp ISP :) |
| 10:57.29 | Orfeous | before i had static ip |
| 10:57.39 | Tidus | i have a home-built router. |
| 10:58.07 | Orfeous | but my server rebooted and i got a new ip now.. :) that ip i had before was good :D and i had it for weeks but now its gone. so i wonder if there are any possibilites to reach that ip again? |
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| 10:58.26 | jarango | Is it possible to capture screen/display activity into a video file ? |
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| 10:58.29 | blondie | Orfeous: ask your ISP for a static IP. |
| 10:58.41 | Orfeous | blondie: it costs money |
| 10:58.50 | blondie | Orfeous: however, your DHCP client should do what you said anyway |
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| 10:59.09 | Orfeous | blondie: ok, hmm.. how can i configure it to try to find that ip? |
| 10:59.11 | blondie | dhcp clients request the same IP address, but don't always get it |
| 10:59.50 | Orfeous | i have restarted network for 10 times now and i got differents ip all the time.. but the ipnumbers are increasing everytime :D |
| 11:00.00 | __ne2k | Orfeous: isn't dynamic dns going to be a better solution to your problem? you're not likely to get the ip address you ask for in a network you don't manage |
| 11:00.21 | Orfeous | :) |
| 11:00.21 | blondie | yeah, that's a good idea |
| 11:00.44 | Orfeous | but cant i configure my client to try to reach that ip? |
| 11:00.46 | __ne2k | debhelper: what sort of useful things can you do? |
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| 11:01.17 | stojmir | I have a small 486 box that is runing debian. If i connect a gps device on serial port that sends some data nonstop, i cant boot the box. If i remove the serial device, everything is working fine. In var/log/messages i get this: Jul 14 08:10:40 (none) kernel: ttyS0: 1 input overrun(s). Im preaty sure thats causing the problem. |
| 11:01.38 | janemann | orfeus: could dyndns solve your probs? |
| 11:01.59 | stojmir | how can i disable the input from serial port until debian is up and running, and then enable it |
| 11:02.14 | blondie | turn the GPS off |
| 11:02.27 | stojmir | i cant do that |
| 11:02.28 | stojmir | :-( |
| 11:02.35 | __ne2k | blondie: that's a stupid suggestion |
| 11:02.39 | stojmir | im supposed to leave the box unattended |
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| 11:02.45 | blondie | unplug it then :P |
| 11:03.00 | blondie | __ne2k: have you got a better one? |
| 11:03.06 | __ne2k | stojmir: how far does it get in the booting process? |
| 11:03.46 | stojmir | http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=7531 |
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| 11:04.29 | stojmir | the last line i see in /var/log/messages is this: Jul 14 08:10:40 (none) kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 11:04.38 | stojmir | however, no modules are loaded |
| 11:04.50 | stojmir | i can barely login at the shell |
| 11:04.58 | stojmir | and thats it |
| 11:05.25 | stojmir | and this is what i think is causing the problem: |
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| 11:05.27 | stojmir | # Jul 14 08:10:40 (none) kernel: ttyS0: 11 input overrun(s) |
| 11:05.27 | stojmir | # Jul 14 08:10:40 (none) kernel: ttyS0: 3 input overrun(s) |
| 11:05.27 | stojmir | # Jul 14 08:10:40 (none) kernel: ttyS0: 10 input overrun(s) |
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| 11:05.50 | stojmir | i dont understand what those input overruns mean |
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| 11:06.01 | stojmir | google doesnt give much help either |
| 11:06.55 | Bushmills | stojmir: what is connected to serial port? |
| 11:07.02 | stojmir | GPS device |
| 11:07.09 | Bushmills | stojmir: wrong baudrate? |
| 11:07.28 | Bushmills | stojmir: or, non-rs232 protocol by GPS device |
| 11:07.32 | stojmir | why is it choking the boot proccess ? |
| 11:07.50 | stojmir | the GPS device is sending ascii data |
| 11:07.59 | __ne2k | stojmir: I would look in the serial driver and work out what it prints "input overrun" |
| 11:08.10 | __ne2k | stojmir: work out *why*, I mean |
| 11:08.12 | stojmir | in the source code? |
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| 11:13.25 | ace_me | where could be my problem that startx is not starting ? always said about mouse |
| 11:13.37 | ace_me | I look with mc |
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| 11:15.51 | Bushmills | ace_me: look in log file |
| 11:15.55 | skane | Hi :-) I use proftpd for www-hosting. Every user has ftp access to /home/userx and maybe several domains /home/userx/domain1. What would be a nice way to make additional ftp-accounts for subdirs? |
| 11:16.15 | __ne2k | stojmir: yeah |
| 11:16.38 | stojmir | * Data arrived faster than we could process it. While the tty |
| 11:16.38 | stojmir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.38 | stojmir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.41 | skane | Maybe a person should only work on /home/userx/domain2/html |
| 11:17.00 | stojmir | f (time_before(tty->overrun_time, jiffies - HZ) || |
| 11:17.00 | stojmir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.00 | stojmir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.13 | stojmir | why should this bother the booting proccess ? |
| 11:17.23 | skane | I was thinking to create additional unix users and set their homedir there... but with proftp maybe there is a nicer way? |
| 11:17.39 | DerJamster | skane: you mean one person has fTP access to /home/userX, the other to /home/userX/whatever? |
| 11:18.07 | blondie | stojmir: stop that pasting |
| 11:18.16 | Bushmills | stojmir: guessing: UART FIFO fills up / or/and not FIFO enabled. during boot, nothing fetchs data. for UART -> error condition |
| 11:18.29 | blondie | skane: you might want to turn off FTP before your box gets owned? |
| 11:19.08 | ace_me | log/gdm ? |
| 11:19.13 | stojmir | Bushmills: sollution ? |
| 11:19.37 | skane | blondie please explain |
| 11:19.40 | skane | DeJamster yes |
| 11:19.46 | skane | DerJamster yes |
| 11:19.56 | blondie | !ftp |
| 11:19.57 | dpkg | i heard ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 11:20.03 | DerJamster | skane: ...don't do that. That's silly :P |
| 11:20.07 | __ne2k | stojmir: is there anything in the boot process that does anything with the serial ports before these messages start getting printed? |
| 11:20.23 | Gnea | !paster |
| 11:20.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 11:20.44 | skane | blondie you are right |
| 11:20.50 | ace_me | Cannot open device /devpsaux |
| 11:20.54 | Orfeous | hmm |
| 11:20.59 | ace_me | Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device |
| 11:21.06 | ace_me | is a 2 button mouse without scroll |
| 11:21.07 | skane | so i don't use proftpd... what is the common safe ftp program for debian and webhosting? |
| 11:21.08 | ace_me | ps2 |
| 11:21.24 | blondie | skane: not ftp, scp |
| 11:21.27 | blondie | or sftp |
| 11:21.39 | Orfeous | i have dhcp-client and dhcpcd installed what is the default? |
| 11:21.54 | ace_me | cannot open de/input/mice no such device |
| 11:21.56 | streuner | ace_me: use mdetect |
| 11:21.59 | blondie | skane: it means turning ftp off, and then using something like WinSCP as the client |
| 11:22.04 | skane | ok scp or sftp... i will check out.. great ... but the question still remains |
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| 11:22.11 | skane | yes i will trun off ftp |
| 11:22.17 | stojmir | __ne2k: there is a serial console that i use to access the box, but i have tried disableing it and it didnt help |
| 11:22.33 | blondie | skane: there isn't a secure plain-ftp server for uploading |
| 11:22.34 | ace_me | streuner I did but no msg from mdetect |
| 11:22.48 | streuner | ace_me: well, read the man-page again |
| 11:22.49 | skane | I will turn it off I have understood thank you :-9 |
| 11:22.51 | skane | :-) |
| 11:23.07 | skane | I will come back for the other questions then later... |
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| 11:23.34 | ace_me | found /dev/ttys0 |
| 11:23.38 | __ne2k | stojmir: do you have access to some documentation on the serial port settings to use for your GPS device? I would boot the box without the device attached, then attach it -- do the errors start then? |
| 11:23.38 | streuner | ace_me: 'mdetect -v' tell you nothing? |
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| 11:23.54 | streuner | ace_me: so its /dev/ttys0 |
| 11:23.59 | streuner | serial |
| 11:23.59 | ace_me | ok |
| 11:24.15 | ace_me | hmmm |
| 11:24.21 | streuner | its important what kind of adapter you plug into the mobo, not what kind of mouse you have... |
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| 11:24.24 | ace_me | is it in a PS2 connector |
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| 11:24.25 | __ne2k | stojmir: try using setserial to configure the serial port |
| 11:24.29 | stojmir | __ne2k: i cant change the settings of the device. It sends at 4800 baud rate, and thats it. |
| 11:24.38 | streuner | look what we told you ^^^ |
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| 11:25.02 | skane | Thank you guys so far |
| 11:25.22 | ace_me | the x started but the mouse is not working ... |
| 11:25.39 | streuner | Detected intellimouse mouse on /dev/psaux |
| 11:25.46 | __ne2k | stojmir: but what I'm thinking is that your port is coming up configured wrongly. get the box to a state where you can work on it (i.e. boot without the thing attached), then attach it and see if you can get it working by changing the settings on the port. if so, you need to work out how do that earlier in the boot process |
| 11:25.47 | ion | what the diferrence between ubuntu and debian ? |
| 11:25.49 | streuner | what output do you get for the protocol? |
| 11:25.57 | lavi | can I boot from my flash-device which maybe can contains a loader like ntloader ? |
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| 11:26.42 | stojmir | __ne2k: the port is working just fine if i plug the device later. |
| 11:27.08 | stojmir | the only problem i have is that the box doesnt boot after a restart |
| 11:27.24 | __ne2k | stojmir: hmmm. this is confusing |
| 11:27.25 | stojmir | and naturaly, the gps device is supposed to be attached all the time |
| 11:27.31 | streuner | ion: just try both and see which you prefer most |
| 11:27.45 | __ne2k | stojmir: yes, of course, I'm not going to be like some other bozos and suggest that you "just unplug it"! ;-) |
| 11:28.04 | __ne2k | stojmir: are there any settings in the BIOS about the serial port that might be affecting it? |
| 11:28.09 | stojmir | :-) |
| 11:28.29 | stojmir | oh my god |
| 11:28.36 | stojmir | i think i got it |
| 11:28.48 | ace_me | what is pciehp ? |
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| 11:29.01 | streuner | !listvals pciehp |
| 11:29.03 | ace_me | it said missing node... pciehp |
| 11:29.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pciehp' by value returned no results. |
| 11:29.16 | SirFunk | hey... is there a way to force removal of a package? I have a packing which when i try to remove it trys to run a script which doesn't work |
| 11:29.24 | streuner | ace_me: in mdetect? |
| 11:29.27 | __ne2k | stojmir: what is it? |
| 11:29.27 | SirFunk | it's nothing really important i just want it gone |
| 11:29.47 | stojmir | changed the baud rate for the serial console |
| 11:29.50 | ace_me | now after restart I am directly in X ! how to shutdown X ? |
| 11:29.53 | ion | streuner: you what ? u right...but sometimes is good to talk with user to know their opinion before reformat your hard drive... |
| 11:29.54 | stojmir | to mach the one on the gps device |
| 11:29.57 | __ne2k | SirFunk: you'll have to do it by hand if the script is broken |
| 11:29.59 | ace_me | I have to reconfigure it but no mouse yet |
| 11:30.02 | stojmir | let me check and reboot it again |
| 11:30.06 | SirFunk | __ne2k: how do you 'do it by hand' |
| 11:30.14 | streuner | ion: well, debian works for me great. |
| 11:30.39 | streuner | ion: iam using debian since years and i was mostly satisfied. |
| 11:30.53 | __ne2k | SirFunk: unpack the package using ar, look at the scripts in it and the files in it, work out what it was trying to do to remove itself, then... do it by hand |
| 11:31.15 | __ne2k | SirFunk: or, better still, fix the problem with the script ;-) |
| 11:31.16 | ace_me | streuner it said in the startig process that |
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| 11:31.32 | ace_me | how to stop / restart x |
| 11:31.36 | streuner | ace_me: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 11:31.39 | SirFunk | __ne2k: i don't care about what the scripts do... i just want the package unregisterd from dpkg.. is there a way to remove it w/o running scripts? |
| 11:31.48 | streuner | ace_me: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 11:32.02 | __ne2k | SirFunk: take a look at "man dpkg" and look at the --force- options. I don't know, I'm afraid |
| 11:32.12 | SirFunk | __ne2k: tried them, neither worked :( |
| 11:32.32 | __ne2k | SirFunk: you could hack the pacakge database? why do you want to do this, btw? |
| 11:32.49 | ace_me | what's that nodm |
| 11:32.51 | SirFunk | __ne2k: i can't install packages or update because there is one failing to install |
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| 11:33.14 | streuner | ace_me: get rid of a DM (desktop-manager) like gdm, kdm, xdm |
| 11:33.23 | __ne2k | SirFunk: got you... errm... and dpkg --remove doesn't work? |
| 11:33.29 | __ne2k | SirFunk: what error does it give? |
| 11:33.42 | ace_me | should I ? |
| 11:33.49 | ion | streuner: cool, many thanks .. see ya... |
| 11:33.55 | streuner | ace_me: you prolly have on installed, so it tries to start X |
| 11:34.00 | streuner | ion: np |
| 11:34.10 | streuner | !d-i ion |
| 11:34.10 | dpkg | ion, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:34.23 | ace_me | I want only to stop x |
| 11:34.23 | SirFunk | "rmoving gsfonts-x11 ... usage error: unrecognized option Usage: update-fopnts-dir DIRECTORY blah blah blah... it seems to want to execute the update-fonts-dir script but is doing so improperly |
| 11:34.25 | SirFunk | so it dies |
| 11:34.40 | streuner | ace_me: skill -c gdm, kdm or whatever |
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| 11:36.59 | sadawson | heya all I just installed debian on my xbox console but there are only two sources in sources.list is there a nice web applet anyone can point me too similare to the one at ubuntu.nl? |
| 11:37.16 | streuner | SirFunk: no |
| 11:37.28 | sadawson | that will produce a nice sources.list file? |
| 11:38.11 | streuner | sadawson: < |
| 11:38.15 | streuner | sadawson: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 11:38.56 | streuner | sadawson: and what does there website tell you? Isn't there a FAQ about? |
| 11:39.00 | sadawson | *ssh's into box* |
| 11:39.18 | ace_me | so I still have the problem with mouse |
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| 11:39.34 | ace_me | is it detected on ttys0 but if I setup it there not working |
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| 11:39.43 | aeronadix | when I ran "make menuconfig" and then "make" I ended up with a vmlinux file, but its file properties are different than in the files in /boot? |
| 11:39.53 | streuner | ace_me: check out the logs (/var/log/X*.log |
| 11:40.11 | purdeaandrei | hi! how can i set a program to start automatically if i press a key combination? (xorg, icewm) |
| 11:40.13 | ace_me | ok |
| 11:40.16 | sadawson | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 11:40.28 | ace_me | what to see here ? |
| 11:40.35 | streuner | sadawson: two lines are ok |
| 11:40.58 | streuner | sadawson: one for the official mirrors and one for security |
| 11:41.16 | sadawson | streuner: There are a few things I want to get that I should be able to get from there.. first is VNC Server |
| 11:41.16 | liable | aeronadix: use kpkg to build kernels in debian |
| 11:41.42 | streuner | sadawson: and that isn't in sarge? |
| 11:42.13 | ace_me | NO CORE POINTER |
| 11:42.22 | aeronadix | liable, I can't just take any kernel build and boot it up in debian/ |
| 11:42.42 | sadawson | will try another apt-get update and try again |
| 11:42.57 | streuner | !tell sadawson about search |
| 11:43.19 | ace_me | I cna't beleive is so difficult |
| 11:43.26 | streuner | me either |
| 11:43.38 | streuner | but we need more details |
| 11:43.45 | streuner | the whole log |
| 11:43.46 | ace_me | \as:? |
| 11:43.49 | ace_me | ok |
| 11:43.52 | streuner | the version of the kernel |
| 11:44.00 | ace_me | how to copy in mc and paste it in lynx |
| 11:44.10 | streuner | what X system you are running, xorg or xfree |
| 11:44.13 | ace_me | how to have that kernel ? |
| 11:44.17 | ace_me | xfree86 |
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| 11:44.37 | streuner | cat /proc/version |
| 11:45.05 | ace_me | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 11:45.27 | streuner | hm |
| 11:45.36 | sadawson | lol@ 500b/s file transfer from http://ftp.at.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 11:45.43 | streuner | can you show us the log online somewhere? |
| 11:45.47 | ace_me | (debian 1:3.3.5-13 |
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| 11:46.09 | ace_me | just please tell me how to copy and paste it from mc to a chat or lynx |
| 11:46.57 | liable | install gpm |
| 11:47.33 | ace_me | app-get gpm ? |
| 11:47.41 | streuner | ace_me: is the box online? |
| 11:47.46 | ace_me | yes |
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| 11:47.58 | streuner | ace_me: ok, do you have apache installed? |
| 11:48.08 | ace_me | I think no |
| 11:48.14 | ace_me | not sure |
| 11:48.26 | liable | apt-get install gpm |
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| 11:48.38 | streuner | install apache and use http://<your IP>/whatever.txt |
| 11:48.44 | jc-denton | hi all |
| 11:48.57 | streuner | ace_me: and store that log into /var/www/ |
| 11:49.03 | aeronadix | liable, oh I have to install the kernel first then boot into it, Can't I first boot into to the kernel for testing then install it later? |
| 11:49.20 | ace_me | it ask me if should be restarted in X gpm |
| 11:49.40 | liable | aeronadix: well, if you can boot it, its kinda installed.. |
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| 11:50.32 | aeronadix | liable, how do I install it the debian way? |
| 11:51.00 | aeronadix | liable, I did make menuconfig, and make, nothing else. And the linux image I have is executable for some reason |
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| 11:51.31 | ace_me | I've installed gpm so what next ? |
| 11:52.10 | streuner | forget gpm |
| 11:52.21 | streuner | ace_me: apt-get install apache |
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| 11:52.24 | ace_me | than how to install apache |
| 11:52.29 | aeronadix | I can't find kpkg |
| 11:52.43 | streuner | !tell aeronadix about kp |
| 11:53.04 | ace_me | when I first installed debian few weeks ago it worked ! someone just told me to put something inside a config file or so and all was ok |
| 11:53.07 | ace_me | for a whil;e |
| 11:53.29 | liable | aeronadix: install kernel-package and /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 11:53.31 | streuner | ace_me: the config should be still in /etc/X11 |
| 11:53.40 | liable | aeronadix: or man kernel-package |
| 11:54.49 | ace_me | where is apache |
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| 11:55.10 | streuner | ace_me: store the log into /var/www |
| 11:55.28 | ace_me | which log ? |
| 11:55.30 | skane | So the vsftpd package would be a good way to replace proftpd and give developers of the websites secure access to their files? |
| 11:55.35 | streuner | X log |
| 11:55.48 | streuner | ace_me: /var/log/X*.log |
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| 11:56.02 | skane | Any alternatives that are also easy and simple? |
| 11:57.12 | stojmir | __ne2k: thanks |
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| 11:57.13 | stojmir | :-) |
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| 11:57.52 | ace_me | not apache2-default ? |
| 11:57.57 | botox | this is probably for tomcat, but they are all asleep. has anybody had the problem when using tomcat, apache and jk_mod that the jk_mod.conf-auto file is generated but is blank? |
| 11:58.08 | botox | debian testing |
| 11:58.20 | streuner | ace_me: no, apache 1 is default |
| 11:58.30 | ace_me | http://86.104.136.138/XFree86.0.log |
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| 12:00.50 | ace_me | did you took the file ? |
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| 12:02.32 | streuner | ace_me: tail -f /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 12:03.10 | jc-denton | can anybody here explain me http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195902 |
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| 12:03.19 | streuner | ace_me: it seems you didn't change the protocol and the device for it either |
| 12:03.39 | jc-denton | i mean you can get a coredump file that is owned by root |
| 12:03.40 | liable | i can see the default home page |
| 12:03.44 | jc-denton | but what then |
| 12:04.00 | jc-denton | to break in you need to be able to execute it or something |
| 12:04.08 | streuner | ace_me: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:04.14 | ace_me | \how that ? I've used that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:04.14 | jc-denton | as root of course |
| 12:04.42 | streuner | ace_me: well, you hadn't make the right entries |
| 12:05.11 | streuner | its still trying to configure PS/2 or USB mouse |
| 12:05.21 | streuner | s/configure/using/ |
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| 12:05.55 | streuner | ace_me: just edit in 'device section' /dev/psaux to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 12:06.20 | ace_me | I have a PS2 mouse |
| 12:06.36 | ace_me | conected to aa ps2 conector not to a com1 |
| 12:07.01 | streuner | well, mdetect said it pretty clear... (ttyS0) |
| 12:07.21 | ace_me | so is a bug ? |
| 12:07.34 | streuner | PEBCAK |
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| 12:08.02 | ace_me | revsak ? |
| 12:08.11 | streuner | !pebcak |
| 12:08.11 | dpkg | pebcak is, like, Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 12:08.25 | aeronadix | maybe try microsoft mouse driver |
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| 12:08.46 | streuner | the device section is in every case wrong |
| 12:09.05 | streuner | dpkg, setup x |
| 12:09.05 | dpkg | well, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 12:09.31 | streuner | ace_me: use that ^^^ NOW |
| 12:10.05 | ace_me | which one ? |
| 12:10.33 | streuner | apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:11.11 | streuner | after that, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again |
| 12:11.37 | streuner | and choose /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 12:13.15 | gimbal | hello; I'm stumped on a matter of package-depenency being shown-up in apttitude. g++-3.3 and libreadline5-dev both appear as being "broken" and marked to upgrade; how can I even figure out why they're broken? let alone to fix it -- if I let aptitutde fix it, it really muxes things up, marking a bunch of packages to be deleted |
| 12:13.30 | jc-denton | i wanna know now how to this person could break in |
| 12:13.53 | streuner | ace_me: mdetect -x produces output for the right entries (XFree86 4.x) |
| 12:13.55 | ace_me | now I am in x but the mouse is stoned in the middle of the screeen |
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| 12:14.09 | gimbal | or what the heck was the fix-broken argument for dpkg-or-what ? |
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| 12:14.38 | streuner | ace_me: well, use another protocol then |
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| 12:14.44 | gimbal | frob -install -fix-broken -antoher-arg -another-arg-2 ... something |
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| 12:15.35 | ace_me | how could be linux so inaccesible ? |
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| 12:16.01 | ace_me | a simple mouse is keeping me trying from hours now |
| 12:16.05 | streuner | it would be very easy, if you just connected the mouse without adapter... |
| 12:16.32 | streuner | but that's not a usual case |
| 12:17.13 | Ironhand | could someone tell me where I might find newer 2.6 kernels prepackaged for Sarge? |
| 12:17.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | Evening. I get this error since a couple of days and I wasn't able to fix it. Someone has a hint for me? http://rafb.net/paste/results/HyRy6Y98.html |
| 12:17.20 | ace_me | how many years you've spent with debian streuner |
| 12:17.28 | gimbal | apt-get -f install ; nmind |
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| 12:17.31 | liable | Ironhand: backports.org |
| 12:17.35 | Ironhand | thx liable |
| 12:17.47 | streuner | ace_me: since '99, before i used SuSE 6.2 |
| 12:18.08 | ace_me | and if you would be on my chair now you would be unable to setup the mouse ? |
| 12:18.33 | streuner | ace_me: well, i don't know. |
| 12:18.43 | ace_me | :) |
| 12:19.18 | skane | I am confused with "vsftp" is this secure or not? It says first that it is an ftp server and then it says it is secure. What is it now?? |
| 12:19.34 | skane | Or can it do both? |
| 12:19.35 | streuner | ace_me: just change the protocol, it should work then (TM) |
| 12:19.44 | ace_me | I am quite sure you would be more efficient helping me over the network ! there is anything like rewmote desktop ? |
| 12:20.10 | streuner | nah, nobody would ever ask you here for that |
| 12:20.29 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: I wouldn't call ftp *actually* secure. |
| 12:20.33 | streuner | don't give people access to your system, NEVER |
| 12:20.34 | ace_me | ttys0 / microsoft is not ok too |
| 12:20.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | They just call _this_ Server secure. Don't belive it. |
| 12:20.47 | ace_me | is it only a testing box |
| 12:20.53 | ace_me | i was just curious |
| 12:21.50 | skane | WoodyWoodpecker I am not looking for an ftp server. I am looking for a secure alternative. But I don't knwo what vsftp does |
| 12:22.33 | ace_me | so dear friend what to do with the mouse ? |
| 12:22.34 | streuner | ace_me: what kind of mouse is that? |
| 12:22.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: What is your really goal? |
| 12:22.47 | streuner | ace_me: logitech or Mickymouse? |
| 12:23.04 | ace_me | Fast Mouse model pk 720 a4 tech |
| 12:23.13 | skane | I used to use proftpd for remote file access for web-developers. Now I am just looking for the state of the art way to provide secure remote access for web developers. |
| 12:23.19 | ace_me | 520 dpi |
| 12:23.31 | skane | If you just tell me "use product xyz" I will do it |
| 12:23.36 | ace_me | www.a4tech.com.tw |
| 12:23.46 | Ironhand | skane: maybe sftp? (it's part of a standard ssh install) |
| 12:24.10 | skane | ok, if you tell me that is what other webmasters use i will install it :-) |
| 12:24.11 | ace_me | how should I make difference ? is a mouse with 2 buttons :) and a ball bellow |
| 12:24.31 | skane | (it should be already installed then) |
| 12:24.46 | Ironhand | skane: no idea, I just know it's secure... and there are good clients for any OS |
| 12:24.54 | cafuego | a ball? Is this a stone-age mouse? |
| 12:25.14 | ace_me | i think so :) |
| 12:25.17 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: So you want a webportal for developers *only* ? |
| 12:25.22 | ace_me | I am a poor man |
| 12:25.42 | streuner | hm, it should be supported then :-) |
| 12:25.50 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: I will tell you what you _could_ use, not what you _should_ use. |
| 12:25.59 | skane | of course :-) |
| 12:26.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or at the least what you could do to reach your goal. |
| 12:26.07 | skane | it was just a way to express it |
| 12:26.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: So you want a webportal for developers *only* ? |
| 12:26.35 | skane | There is apache running and most of the time wen developers they upload their html pages and images and scripts |
| 12:26.39 | skane | web developers |
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| 12:27.13 | streuner | ace_me: do you have another mouse handy? |
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| 12:27.31 | infernix | skane: i dont see how ftp isnt good enough, but you could try webdav if you want something else. i believe thats even natively supported in windoze |
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| 12:27.51 | ace_me | same model 10 pcs |
| 12:27.53 | infernix | skane: dont ask me how to change permissions though (hence ftp) |
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| 12:27.57 | skane | I was taught here before that ftp is not secure |
| 12:28.12 | skane | And that's the way I see it... I mean scripts contain passwords and stuff |
| 12:28.20 | infernix | skane: ftp daemons have ssl support. how secure do you want it? |
| 12:28.23 | skane | And also data files could be downloaded |
| 12:28.31 | skane | mmh |
| 12:28.37 | streuner | ace_me: ok, did you use 'mdetect -x'? |
| 12:28.38 | lunitik | infernix: he seems to want something more like a wiki maybe? |
| 12:28.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: I thought they were developers (then I would say use CVS over SSH), but now you need a _web_server for development? |
| 12:28.50 | sjau | any bind/nameserver specialist in here? |
| 12:28.51 | lunitik | infernix: a coloboration zone of sorts? |
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| 12:28.58 | WoodyWoodpecker | sjau: #dns |
| 12:29.00 | infernix | skane: how exactly do you plan on providing access to a website's code without actually up/downloading scripts? |
| 12:29.03 | Ironhand | skane: you could just download WinSCP to a windows system and give it a try, normal login user+pass combinations should work |
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| 12:29.19 | Ironhand | (WinSCP does both SCP and SFTP) |
| 12:29.36 | skane | The users who upload files they are people who a) develop html files b) maybe some php scripts... not real coders |
| 12:29.37 | infernix | i dont know if scp/sftp has ways to change directory permissions |
| 12:29.46 | freeone3000 | sun-java5-jre doesn't fufill java1-runtime, any ideas why not? |
| 12:29.47 | Ironhand | infernix: yes it does |
| 12:29.49 | HelmutG | Do you consider badblocks -w (4 pattern write) a sufficient disk wiping method for older disks (<1G)? |
| 12:29.54 | ace_me | mdetect -x -v is only saying ttyS0 |
| 12:30.01 | ace_me | which is not quite corerct |
| 12:30.30 | streuner | nothing about the protocol? |
| 12:30.37 | streuner | like this "Detected intellimouse mouse on /dev/psaux" |
| 12:30.39 | skane | infernix maybe I expressed myself not very clear :-) of course scripts will be uploaded.. but not with simple ftp |
| 12:30.52 | infernix | still, over 2000+ sites hosted which i (help out with) management all use ftp, and i'm pretty sure 75% doesn't have a clue about any other way of accessing the site code but through ftp |
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| 12:31.09 | ace_me | it said after a long list found the following: /dev/ttys0 |
| 12:31.30 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: Express yourself right the first time, then you will get answers easier and faster. |
| 12:31.43 | skane | Sorry for that. Ok. |
| 12:31.44 | streuner | what about if you running only 'mdetect -x'? |
| 12:31.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: Why not use scp? |
| 12:33.18 | skane | i will learn about it and when it fits use it :-) |
| 12:34.09 | skane | (I used the term "developer" and I had web-developer (html/php) in mind but not coders maybe that started the confusion) |
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| 12:35.36 | skane | Thank you all |
| 12:35.42 | freeone3000 | As a bug report, should I file an unfufilled dependancy that a package should fufill as 'normal'? |
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| 12:36.11 | azeem | freeone3000: can you be more specific? |
| 12:36.26 | infernix | skane: coders prefer ssh access so that they can code on the server themselves, but for most of the stuff ftp with SSL is fine. there's no sniffing passwords if you enforce SSL, so the only problem is user/pass management, which isnt a technical security issue but more of 'how to make sure my passwords are in safe place' issue. safe place preferrably one's memory;) |
| 12:36.28 | azeem | freeone3000: does the package fail to install, or is completely broken due to a missing depends |
| 12:36.35 | snorre | liable: Hi |
| 12:36.41 | freeone3000 | azeem: sun-java5-jre does not satisfy java1-runtime. It should. I can't install a few other things without dragging gcj in |
| 12:37.38 | freeone3000 | azeem: Such as eclipse, which works normally under a "normal" install. |
| 12:37.53 | streuner | ace_me: what do you get with this: 'dmesg | grep -i mouse' ? |
| 12:37.54 | skane | infernix: this would mean i stick with proftpd but tunnel it with ssh...and there is client software for windows and mac machines available? |
| 12:38.15 | liable | snorre: g'day |
| 12:38.21 | infernix | skane: proftpd supports SSL natively. configure proftpd to disallow non-SSL connections and instruct your devs to use an FTP client which has SSL support |
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| 12:38.43 | skane | infernix great that is maybe the easieast way |
| 12:39.07 | skane | i mean i have some experience with proftpd |
| 12:39.09 | marsje | where can I find debian's usbvideo.c and usbvideo.h ? |
| 12:39.36 | streuner | !tell marsje about search |
| 12:39.38 | azeem | freeone3000: are you sure eclipse depends on java1-runtime? |
| 12:39.39 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 12:39.48 | infernix | :) |
| 12:39.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | For the next time |
| 12:39.53 | aeronadix | how can i reduce how long it takes to do make after make menuconfig. I removed all the scsi and some usb, what else? |
| 12:39.54 | WoodyWoodpecker | :D |
| 12:39.59 | SerajewelKS | how can i tell kdm to use dvorak? |
| 12:40.02 | freeone3000 | azeem: Er. I'll redig, but pretty sure. |
| 12:40.11 | freeone3000 | azeem: It's quite indirect. |
| 12:40.38 | azeem | freeone3000: ah, yeah, I see now |
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| 12:41.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | marcels: find /usr/src/linux/ -name 'usbvideo' -print |
| 12:41.16 | infernix | aerod: upgade your cpu, or if you have SMP or multiple cpus, use make -jX where X = number of cpus in /proc/cpuinfo + 1. eg 2 CPUs = make -j3 |
| 12:41.24 | ace_me | do you all not using mouses ? |
| 12:41.28 | infernix | err, aeronadix |
| 12:41.41 | skane | WoodyWoodpecker yes it is a good idea to do a package search.. but that can not replace the opinion of some experienced people |
| 12:42.00 | streuner | ace_me: what do you get with this: 'dmesg | grep -i mouse' ? |
| 12:42.05 | WoodyWoodpecker | aeronadix: If you use HT or a SMP System use '' make -j? '' arcording to your amount of CPUs. |
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| 12:42.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | skane: Of course. But to learn the longer way is better for you, because you get more experience than asking someing in here. |
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| 12:43.31 | aeronadix | WoodyWoodpecker, ? |
| 12:43.38 | WoodyWoodpecker | aeronadix: Only have the _nessuary_ parts in your config. |
| 12:43.41 | azeem | freeone3000: it provides java2-runtime |
| 12:43.44 | aeronadix | WoodyWoodpecker, I have one cpu, and 246+128 ram |
| 12:43.47 | freeone3000 | azeem: What's the diffrence? |
| 12:43.57 | azeem | freeone3000: which sounds right, maybe eclipse should get changed to alternatively depend on that? |
| 12:43.58 | SerajewelKS | is ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu no longer a mirror? |
| 12:44.00 | WoodyWoodpecker | Nessusary is that everything you need that your kernel isn't actually *broken* |
| 12:44.07 | freeone3000 | azeem: Er, quite possibly so. Since it works. |
| 12:44.08 | ace_me | streuner PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 12:44.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | aeronadix: Ok, then that is obsolete. |
| 12:44.10 | azeem | freeone3000: I don't know what the differences are exactly |
| 12:44.17 | freeone3000 | "one's gcj, one's sun" |
| 12:44.25 | SerajewelKS | http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ is empty |
| 12:44.27 | streuner | ace_me: only one line? |
| 12:44.33 | ace_me | yes |
| 12:44.41 | streuner | ok, install an 2.6.x kernel |
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| 12:44.48 | ace_me | how ? |
| 12:44.49 | azeem | I think sun-java5 is Java2 |
| 12:45.17 | freeone3000 | Is there not a java-runtime dependancy? |
| 12:45.23 | ace_me | you mean I should install a kernel streuner? |
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| 12:45.39 | streuner | ace_me: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 12:46.09 | ace_me | than ? |
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| 12:46.23 | azeem | freeone3000: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369415 |
| 12:46.26 | streuner | ace_me: 'dmesg | grep -i mouse' ? |
| 12:46.28 | azeem | it has been reported/discussed alrady |
| 12:46.36 | ace_me | same |
| 12:46.38 | freeone3000 | Ah... Thanks a lot... |
| 12:46.38 | aeronadix | can I do make-kpgk right after make menuconfig? |
| 12:46.39 | snorre | liable: Care to help me get through this driver compile thing today? |
| 12:46.44 | azeem | freeone3000: otherwise, consider the equivs program to fake a java1-runtime dependency |
| 12:46.51 | azeem | !equivs |
| 12:46.51 | lunitik | freeone3000: aptitude show java1-runtime ... most of those aren't actually gcj (just fyi) |
| 12:46.51 | dpkg | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 12:46.51 | streuner | ace_me: uh, you are pretty fast |
| 12:46.57 | aeronadix | well thats what I am doing |
| 12:47.07 | ace_me | :) |
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| 12:47.25 | lunitik | freeone3000: depending on 'java1-runtime' instead of a specific implementation simply provides choice |
| 12:48.03 | freeone3000 | lunitik: Of course, they could | java2-runtime it. They just won't because "it would show that eclipse works with non-free software". |
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| 12:48.22 | snorre | liable: To remind you: http://pastebin.ca/86909 |
| 12:49.09 | streuner | ace_me: ok, we go now the easy way :-) |
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| 12:49.25 | streuner | ace_me: download knoppix and see if it works then. |
| 12:49.26 | ace_me | ok |
| 12:49.29 | lunitik | freeone3000: Debian Social Contract says Debian supports the use, but will not provide, software that doesn't abide by its Free Software Guidelines. |
| 12:49.41 | freeone3000 | lunitik: Which means they're a bunch of RMS zealots. |
| 12:50.00 | lunitik | freeone3000: Debian was part of GNU for about 2 years. |
| 12:50.11 | freeone3000 | I did install the OS. Ah well. |
| 12:50.22 | ace_me | apt-get knoppix ? |
| 12:50.43 | streuner | !tell ace_me about knoppix |
| 12:51.12 | lunitik | freeone3000: but actually... Debian Free Software Guidelines were created after leaving GNU to provide a definition of software that expanded over more than just "stuff that's GPL" |
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| 12:51.39 | freeone3000 | Which doesn't include half the stuff that people actually use. |
| 12:52.03 | freeone3000 | (examples are mplayer, and sun java, although it now provides a implemenation of sun java that isn't able to be used with other packages) |
| 12:52.14 | lunitik | freeone3000: other than Java, Flash, and some multimedia codecs ... what doesn't it use? |
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| 12:52.32 | azeem | freeone3000: come on, this is a bug in the eclipse packaging |
| 12:52.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | lunitik: Really? That is interesting, I didn't know that. |
| 12:52.46 | azeem | freeone3000: plus you could use eclipse just fine with Free Software |
| 12:52.53 | fireba11 | can someone help me with the syntax of a source NAT rule ? i need to change source IP for all packets going to a specific IP range |
| 12:53.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | fireba11: #iptables ##networking |
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| 12:53.23 | WoodyWoodpecker | I will help you there. |
| 12:53.28 | lunitik | WoodyWoodpecker: that Debian was part of GPL... or the history of DFSG? |
| 12:53.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | I still get this error since a couple of days and I wasn't able to fix it. Someone has a hint for me? http://rafb.net/paste/results/HyRy6Y98.html |
| 12:53.29 | fireba11 | WoodyWoodpecker: thanks a lot |
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| 12:54.17 | superlinux | hello |
| 12:54.23 | superlinux | anybody there? |
| 12:54.35 | superlinux | if I setup 3 TCNG queues and each one has a filter with the same match criteria what will happen? what is the effect? |
| 12:54.36 | azeem | !anyone |
| 12:54.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:54.58 | superlinux | azeem, 3arasi brother! |
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| 12:55.14 | azeem | please talk english in here |
| 12:55.22 | superlinux | azeem, I know man |
| 12:55.29 | azeem | cool |
| 12:55.37 | azeem | you seem to forget from time to time :P |
| 12:56.28 | streuner | you seem to forget that azeem is in #debian OFTC too :-) |
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| 12:57.52 | snorre | I got this partial source code driver that I hope someone here can help me get working. Please take a look here: http://pastebin.ca/86909 |
| 12:58.04 | superlinux | azeem, no I don't forget that english is a must here.. but between azeem and I alone it deos o matter.. and I don't use arabic that much |
| 12:58.10 | abrotman | wtf is a partial source code driver? |
| 12:58.24 | superlinux | *does not |
| 12:58.27 | snorre | abrotman: Take a look at the link |
| 12:58.35 | abrotman | and what? |
| 12:58.35 | Tassium | abrotman: Some source, and a binary-only component? |
| 12:58.38 | azeem | superlinux: I don't speak a word arabic |
| 12:58.40 | superlinux | I got the answer thanks |
| 12:58.50 | superlinux | ok |
| 12:58.53 | abrotman | azeem: your english isn't so hot either :) |
| 12:59.05 | superlinux | I am hearing the fighter planes over us in saida lebanon |
| 12:59.10 | azeem | abrotman: I had two short nights and am high on caffeine |
| 12:59.18 | snorre | Anyone care to help me, I'm new at this and my attempt failed as I've never compiled a custom kernel before |
| 12:59.26 | abrotman | snorre: you probably need at least the headers for the version of the kernel you're using |
| 12:59.33 | abrotman | azeem: ok .. i'll let it pass then :) |
| 12:59.45 | abrotman | !version.h |
| 12:59.45 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 12:59.50 | snorre | abrotman: I got them already |
| 13:00.20 | liable | snorre: do you have debian today? |
| 13:00.28 | snorre | liable: yes |
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| 13:00.52 | superlinux | azeem, it will take the 1st filter so that the other 2 queues will not work. each filter originally points to a queue. |
| 13:00.53 | abrotman | snorre: so what's the error when you build it? |
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| 13:01.20 | snorre | abrotman: The last step gives me a segmentation fault |
| 13:01.23 | azeem | superlinux: sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 13:01.31 | superlinux | what am searching for is limiting the number of sessions per user. |
| 13:01.35 | azeem | I mean, I can't discuss your problem because I know nothing about it |
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| 13:02.06 | cafuego | Anyone from the UK awake and able to do me a favour? |
| 13:02.06 | superlinux | azeem, I am taliking abt traffic shaping. thanks any way |
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| 13:03.03 | streuner | cafuego: what's the problem? :-/ |
| 13:03.05 | abrotman | snorre: so show it to us |
| 13:03.14 | azeem | streuner: you're living in the .uk? |
| 13:03.28 | petemc | cafuego: sure |
| 13:03.34 | streuner | no, but iam interesting what's the problem :-) |
| 13:03.41 | cafuego | streuner: The BBC have a copuple of Penguin MPEGs available onnline, but they're "protected" with GeoIP. |
| 13:03.52 | streuner | uh |
| 13:04.04 | petemc | cafuego: msg me the url |
| 13:04.29 | abrotman | open proxy! |
| 13:04.38 | abrotman | tor and choose your exit node! |
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| 13:05.08 | Tassium | Heh, he said 'exit node' |
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| 13:05.53 | streuner | Do you know that people get aggressive if they don't have enough sleep? |
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| 13:06.08 | Tassium | streuner: No they don't! ARRRGHH! TASSIUM SMASH! |
| 13:06.12 | syntaxx | i tried my installation using mail evolution but when im trying to send it says rcpt to <email add> failed: requested action not taken: mailbox name not allowed how to fix this? |
| 13:06.28 | streuner | Tassium: hehe |
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| 13:06.40 | snorre | abrotman: Perhaps I did something wrong under step 3. "make config" or "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" |
| 13:06.46 | snorre | I have no clue about this part |
| 13:06.49 | liran1 | the first 512 bytes of say /dev/sda contains the partition table or just the bootloader information? |
| 13:08.36 | liable | snorre: you shouldnt need to do that, the kernel headers package should provide that stuff |
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| 13:10.37 | aeronadix | how do you add a module? |
| 13:10.45 | aeronadix | install it |
| 13:11.23 | aeronadix | I am making kernel and the only changes to my current kernel is, I adding a couple modules |
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| 13:11.46 | Tassium | aeronadix: Are you using the kernel packager? |
| 13:12.26 | aeronadix | well, I am using make-kpkg, but I am wondering, if I don't bother even making kernel, instead I just add kernel module to my running kernel |
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| 13:17.39 | aeronadix | like in my kernel sources, the driver I need is there, but it wasn't included in the kernel image. so can I do it with module-assistant |
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| 13:21.21 | aeronadix | well, I just doing "m-a" and gonna see |
| 13:21.32 | abrotman | snorre: paste an error |
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| 13:31.30 | asperon | hi guys, i need some help setting up my philips spc 900nc webcam to stream under debian, any howtos or something like that available? |
| 13:31.52 | bulio | ugh, I want to SSH into my Debian Etch box from work (debian etch is at my house) |
| 13:32.07 | bulio | So I forwarded port 22, but I can't connect via puTTY |
| 13:32.28 | marsje | why is it such a hell to compile a webcam driver... I get make error, installed kernel source, get make errors again.... sigh |
| 13:32.31 | asperon | bulio: is openssh running on the debian box? |
| 13:32.45 | Tassium | bulio: Are you sure your company's firewall lets you get out via SSH? |
| 13:32.52 | bulio | does it come standard? |
| 13:32.56 | asperon | no |
| 13:33.01 | bulio | well, bulio.homelinux.net doesn't respond to ping |
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| 13:33.17 | bulio | so I need to apt-get install openssh? |
| 13:33.47 | asperon | yes |
| 13:33.51 | bulio | then connect to my router's ip address |
| 13:33.55 | asperon | yes |
| 13:34.06 | bulio | and since it is setup to port forward to my debian box, I'll have access? |
| 13:34.06 | asperon | as longs as your company firewall allows port 22 |
| 13:34.09 | Tassium | No, the package name is 'ssh' |
| 13:34.10 | bulio | it does |
| 13:34.15 | bulio | ^^ok |
| 13:34.18 | asperon | right, apt-get install ssh |
| 13:34.29 | marsje | when I do make-kpkg modules_image, I get: The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h "" |
| 13:34.33 | marsje | does not match current version: "2.4.27" |
| 13:34.35 | marsje | Please correct this. |
| 13:34.41 | bulio | ok, thanks guys |
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| 13:36.54 | snorre | abrotman: When doing make mrproper I get these errors: |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:37.00 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 13:37.12 | snorre | scripts/Makefile.clean:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-server/drivers/infiniband/ulp/srp/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 13:37.21 | snorre | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-server/drivers/infiniband/ulp/srp/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 13:37.31 | abrotman | are you compilinig the infiniband driver? |
| 13:37.31 | snorre | make[2]: *** [drivers/infiniband/ulp/srp] Error 2 |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | dude .. stop pasting |
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| 13:37.53 | snorre | abrotman: No, just following the instructions given |
| 13:37.58 | snorre | see my link again |
| 13:38.07 | snorre | I'm at step 1 |
| 13:38.38 | asb002 | I just used module-assistant to build and install the madwifi drivers... they don't work. How do I remove the package that m-a installed? |
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| 13:39.26 | Tassium | asb002: IIRC, m-a makes a .deb package which can be installed and removed using dpkg |
| 13:39.27 | snorre | abrotman: If you can guide me through this I'd appreciate it |
| 13:39.28 | liable | dpkg -l |grep madwifi-module .. then remove that one |
| 13:39.28 | dpkg | ii |grep madwifi-module .. then remove that one 2.6-5 liable's private gamp collection |
| 13:39.54 | asb002 | Tassium: dpkg reports that the package isn't installed |
| 13:40.01 | snorre | liable: Care to help me? |
| 13:40.18 | Tassium | asb002: Then I suspect you've given the wrong package name, and should use one of the suggestions some of the others here gave to search for the correct package |
| 13:40.36 | liable | snorre: i am about to go to bed. just paste the entire error. those kernel headers look wrong to me btw |
| 13:40.45 | liable | snorre: paste it to a paster, not here |
| 13:40.46 | snorre | liable: the linux-headers-2.6.15-23-server doesn't seem to be complete for a make mrproper |
| 13:40.58 | snorre | liable: ok |
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| 13:42.37 | snorre | liable: http://pastebin.ca/88060 |
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| 13:44.17 | asb002 | thanks for the help, I got it removed |
| 13:44.34 | snorre | This is step 1 according to this http://pastebin.ca/86909 |
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| 13:44.45 | oooo | any idea what the credentials=filename option does in mount.cifs? |
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| 13:46.06 | Bitz | hi, i have setup in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for ssh, it doesn't work. any ideas? |
| 13:46.13 | lunitik | oooo: man mount (smbmount?) and type "/credentials" (it'll search for the string...) |
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| 13:47.46 | abrotman | snorre: oyu're doing way way too much work |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 13:47.51 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:47.58 | superlinux | hello again. why do I get (DUP) while I ping google? this DUP means duplicate |
| 13:48.29 | snorre | abrotman: Did you take a look at the instructions? http://pastebin.ca/86909 |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | yeah .. saw them |
| 13:48.49 | snorre | I haven't ever done this before and I need help to do it |
| 13:48.50 | aeronadix | where do you run m-a from? does it matter? |
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| 13:49.36 | snorre | abrotman: Then please guide me through it |
| 13:49.52 | abrotman | snorre: for starters .. gcc --version |
| 13:50.05 | abrotman | i can't believe this driver isn't in the kernel |
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| 13:50.11 | bulio | SSH works now :) |
| 13:50.19 | snorre | abrotman: gcc version 4.0.3 |
| 13:50.30 | bulio | Now, I want to install mysql, php, and apache |
| 13:50.35 | bulio | I do it like I would normally? |
| 13:50.43 | abrotman | snorre: did *you* read the instructions? |
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| 13:50.58 | snorre | abrotman: yes, but I don't know how to get gcc 3.x |
| 13:51.13 | aeronadix | I need help getting my wireless networking. I have a usb dlink wireless lan which requires hostap driver. I used m-a and installed it. but when I do modprobe * I get fatal error, and when I do iwconfig no device with wireless extensions |
| 13:51.14 | abrotman | snorre: this dirver isn't in the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 13:51.23 | snorre | abrotman: ofcourse not |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | hell .. i don't think recent 2.6 kernels will even build with gcc3 |
| 13:51.45 | cafuego | snorre: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.x |
| 13:51.55 | snorre | abrotman: I got the driver source code yesterday |
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| 13:52.10 | aeronadix | where are the module file so I can pick one and try insmod |
| 13:52.27 | snorre | abrotman: E: Couldn't find package gcc-3.x |
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| 13:53.11 | aeronadix | snorre, you should replace x with a number |
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| 13:54.08 | snorre | aeronadix: Any suggestions? I tried gcc-3.4.6 |
| 13:54.32 | snorre | That's the latest gcc 3.x according to the gcc website |
| 13:55.02 | bulio | try apt-cache search gcc |
| 13:55.23 | abrotman | snorre: i didn'ttell you that |
| 13:55.34 | abrotman | can't he just use m-a? |
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| 13:56.23 | snorre | bulio: thanks, gcc-3.4 was there - installed |
| 13:57.00 | bulio | no problems |
| 13:57.01 | snorre | how do I switch to gcc 3.4 then? |
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| 13:57.24 | snorre | gcc -v still displays gcc version 4.0.3 after installing gcc 3.4 |
| 13:57.36 | streuner | change the symlink |
| 13:57.44 | streuner | /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink |
| 13:58.18 | cafuego | hahal, half an airplane is about to land at tokyo runway 34l :-) |
| 13:58.22 | aeronadix | snorre, you didn't install gcc 3.4 then |
| 13:58.42 | aeronadix | Is there a gcc version 4.? |
| 13:58.49 | streuner | hm, dpkg -l gcc3.4 would tell you |
| 13:58.51 | streuner | sure |
| 13:59.02 | streuner | for testing and unstable |
| 13:59.47 | snorre | streuner: done, thanks |
| 13:59.54 | snorre | gcc -v now displays gcc version 3.4.6 |
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| 14:00.49 | smagy2 | hello folks, from the output of top , can some one please explain what ni means. Cpu0 : 0.0% us, 0.0% sy, 100.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
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| 14:01.56 | snorre | abrotman: Should I then make a symlink of /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-server to /usr/src/linux ? |
| 14:02.05 | abrotman | snorre: uname -a |
| 14:02.24 | snorre | Linux archimedes 2.6.15-23-server #1 SMP Tue May 23 15:10:35 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:02.47 | Tassium | smagy2: Have you checked 'man top'? |
| 14:03.02 | abrotman | snorre: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:03.08 | smagy2 | Tassium: i am reading it |
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| 14:03.30 | smagy2 | Tassium: it has so many details that it talks about the columns. |
| 14:03.47 | smagy2 | which i understand. but not quite about the top line output |
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| 14:04.34 | the_mug | howdy... how can I upgrade from mysql-server and mysql-commone 4.1 to 5.0.18 ?? |
| 14:04.43 | snorre | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 14:04.51 | streuner | the_mug: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 14:04.52 | abrotman | snorre: GOD DAMN IT .. go to #ubuntu |
| 14:05.05 | aeronadix | I installed the hostap module using module assistant. But I don't know what to do next |
| 14:05.27 | the_mug | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 14:05.35 | snorre | abrotman: ? |
| 14:05.46 | abrotman | snorre: oyu're not using debian. .. go to #ubuntu |
| 14:05.52 | streuner | the_mug: /msg dpkg backports and look if a package exist |
| 14:06.16 | snorre | abrotman: I thought it was the same |
| 14:06.21 | abrotman | not even close |
| 14:06.34 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.48 | the_mug | I already have backports in my sources... I was wondering if there was a... endall... upgrade everything MySQL type... command using apt-get |
| 14:07.04 | streuner | abrotman: and what was the answer? |
| 14:07.11 | abrotman | a bit fat NO |
| 14:07.28 | streuner | uh |
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| 14:07.51 | superlinux | who ever tried disk acces? |
| 14:07.58 | superlinux | who ever tried DiskAcces? |
| 14:07.59 | bulio | what is a good VNC server so I can access my debian box? |
| 14:08.11 | bulio | ultravnc? |
| 14:08.21 | superlinux | xvnc works |
| 14:08.22 | Tassium | bulio: Unless you installed it before you came to work, you're not going to be able to get into the home box from work |
| 14:08.39 | bulio | Its installed |
| 14:08.40 | snorre | I understand why Windows is supreme as long as the Linux community is as divided as this |
| 14:09.00 | bulio | I have ssh |
| 14:09.06 | bulio | so I can install it from here |
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| 14:10.19 | snorre | Windows is Windows, so Linux should be Linux IMHO. I just installed Ubuntu because it was much faster to install than Debian - 15 minutes vs. 1 hour |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | snorre: stop trolling .. go away |
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| 14:10.39 | bulio | ubuntu = bloat |
| 14:10.40 | snorre | abrotman: Ok, thanks for nothing |
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| 14:10.56 | abrotman | thanks for choosing ubuntu! |
| 14:10.57 | bulio | what a fool |
| 14:11.06 | bulio | its his fault hes to dumb to figure it out |
| 14:11.14 | the_mug | streuner: any ideas? |
| 14:11.35 | peery | anyone know how to fix "failed to open audio output" from alsa. I've installed alsa-base, alsa-utils, and alsa-tools |
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| 14:12.02 | bulio | I need some help getting a good vnc server |
| 14:12.11 | bulio | which one is fast, and easy to run? |
| 14:12.25 | bulio | vncserver, vnc4server? |
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| 14:13.23 | bulio | xwnc? |
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| 14:14.32 | superlinux | bulio, vncserver works for me |
| 14:14.55 | bulio | and how do I start it from the commandline? |
| 14:14.55 | superlinux | and xvnc also |
| 14:15.23 | superlinux | just wait to tell you how.. checking it |
| 14:15.47 | aeronadix | -1 Unknown symbol in module, what is this |
| 14:15.57 | bulio | also, is it possible to tunnel through the SSH port? |
| 14:16.08 | superlinux | I donno |
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| 14:16.30 | superlinux | I have to download it |
| 14:16.33 | superlinux | wait |
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| 14:17.13 | the_mug | bulio: you can tunnel ANYTHING through ssh :-) |
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| 14:17.53 | aeronadix | I just finally finished with a make-kpkg but there is not .deb file there |
| 14:18.00 | bulio | ^^^How? |
| 14:18.11 | superlinux | bulio, check all things related to vnc from the command line. typ "vnc" and press TAB key 2x |
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| 14:18.32 | azeem | aeronadix: check in the parent directory |
| 14:18.36 | bulio | superlinux: as root? |
| 14:18.58 | superlinux | I am checking.. last time I did that was 1 yr ago |
| 14:19.02 | superlinux | I think |
| 14:19.06 | aeronadix | azeem, nope |
| 14:19.45 | superlinux | bulio, vnc4passwd for the server password |
| 14:20.46 | superlinux | bulio, just run vnc4server and follow the command line wizard |
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| 14:21.23 | the_mug | bulio: ssh --help.... look at the -R option you can bind ANY port on your local box to any on the remote... I've rdesktop'd into winder$ boxes like that before... |
| 14:21.54 | superlinux | vnc4server will ask you for a password |
| 14:22.11 | bulio | superlinux: so install vncserver |
| 14:22.24 | bulio | then run vnc4server? |
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| 14:23.23 | bulio | as root though? |
| 14:23.41 | marsje | I'm trying to build video4linux-nw802 using module-assistent, but it's giving me build errors. Anyone who can help me troubleshoot this? |
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| 14:24.35 | bulio | problem |
| 14:24.44 | bulio | the tunnel is taking me to the wrong machine |
| 14:24.52 | bulio | instead of 192.xxx.xx.100 |
| 14:24.55 | bulio | its taking me to .101 |
| 14:26.14 | superlinux | bulio, you can run it as a normal user |
| 14:26.22 | aeronadix | shouldn't ismod hostap fail if I don't actually have wireless? |
| 14:26.24 | bulio | ok |
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| 14:26.45 | bulio | how do I run xvnc4server now? |
| 14:26.48 | bulio | I setup the password |
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| 14:27.29 | aeronadix | marsje, what the error, tell them |
| 14:27.38 | superlinux | type only vnc4server and press enter |
| 14:27.39 | Tassium | bulio: Check the documentation that comes with the package. (look in /usr/share/doc) |
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| 14:27.49 | marsje | aeronadix: it's a whole list... lots of warnings.. not sure what the real error is... |
| 14:27.52 | superlinux | and then use any valid vnc client |
| 14:28.15 | aeronadix | when you run m-a, it tells you the error |
| 14:28.35 | bulio | <Tassium: not in there |
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| 14:29.38 | marsje | aeronadix: I get a window with a whole list.... I can't even copy/paste it properly, but I'll try |
| 14:30.19 | marsje | aeronadix: usbvideo.c: In function 'usbvideo_SoftwareContrastAdjustment': |
| 14:30.19 | marsje | usbvideo.c:2294: warning: pointer targets in initialization differ in signedness |
| 14:30.19 | marsje | make[2]: *** [usbvideo.o] Error 1 |
| 14:30.19 | bulio | anyone? |
| 14:30.34 | marsje | aeronadix: that is just the last one... |
| 14:30.47 | superlinux | bulio, you cant figure how to run vnc yet? |
| 14:31.08 | xxpor | bulio: are you the neowin bulio? |
| 14:31.27 | bulio | yes I am |
| 14:31.33 | xxpor | lol |
| 14:31.36 | bulio | ^^^I ran vnc4server |
| 14:31.41 | superlinux | ok great |
| 14:31.43 | bulio | Now I'm tunneling through SSH |
| 14:31.57 | bulio | but UltraVNC win32 viewer won't let me connect |
| 14:32.00 | marsje | if anyone can tell me where module-assistent stores the build logs...? |
| 14:32.05 | superlinux | aha |
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| 14:32.17 | superlinux | but you can connect without ssh? |
| 14:32.19 | bulio | I gave it my IP, and port 22 |
| 14:32.28 | bulio | Not from here, I'm at work |
| 14:32.33 | bulio | didn't port forware port 5900 |
| 14:32.41 | bulio | thats why I'm tunneling |
| 14:32.41 | ranunculoid | How do I update my package lists? I forget the command |
| 14:32.41 | Tassium | marsje: /var/cache/modass, I believe. Check the manpage for m-a to make sure I'm right |
| 14:32.47 | Tassium | ranunculoid: apt-get update |
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| 14:33.19 | superlinux | aha. |
| 14:33.26 | superlinux | well I donno how to tunnel |
| 14:33.42 | ranunculoid | What's the name of the xine package that allows me to play FLAC files? |
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| 14:34.29 | marsje | aeronadix: log is here: http://mrcl.xs4all.nl/video4linux-nw802-source.buildlog.2.4.27-2-586tsc.1152886851 |
| 14:34.39 | superlinux | ranunculoid, do apt-cache search flac |
| 14:34.45 | ranunculoid | ok |
| 14:35.12 | superlinux | xmms-flac |
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| 14:35.15 | superlinux | can help |
| 14:35.39 | ranunculoid | "apt-cache search flac" - That brought up a whole load of crap |
| 14:35.40 | superlinux | !unix |
| 14:35.41 | dpkg | [unix] a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS or is what the Internet was built on, or sexy, or http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, or http://www.unix-systems.org/, or a gift from the gods, or http://www.scarynetworkguy.net, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html |
| 14:35.55 | superlinux | !unix lessons |
| 14:35.55 | dpkg | methinks unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 14:36.33 | superlinux | your unix eleven commentments. heh! |
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| 14:37.22 | aeronadix | marsje, sorry, I am having same trouble as you, but let me take a look anyway. also you can see the build logs from m-a too I think |
| 14:37.46 | marsje | aeronadix: glad you have the same thing.. I thought it was me |
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| 14:40.15 | ranunculoid | superlinux: I installed xmms-flac but amarok still wont play flacs:-( |
| 14:40.21 | bulio | ugh |
| 14:40.24 | bulio | still no working |
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| 14:41.15 | superlinux | ranunculoid, you have to use xmms |
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| 14:41.26 | superlinux | not amarok |
| 14:41.33 | ranunculoid | How can I get amarok to play flacs? |
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| 14:42.17 | rqn | hello all |
| 14:42.21 | superlinux | why don't you just run xmms and make it easy for you ? |
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| 14:42.50 | superlinux | rqn, hi |
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| 14:43.38 | rqn | :) |
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| 14:45.56 | superlinux | !palestine |
| 14:45.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, palestine is a great country man |
| 14:46.08 | superlinux | great dpkg! |
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| 14:49.33 | bulio | ugh |
| 14:49.37 | bulio | still not working |
| 14:49.44 | bulio | if I forware the port will it work? |
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| 14:55.19 | SeanTater | dpkg needs help |
| 14:56.15 | SeanTater | of the links it gave, the first and second do not exist, the fourth is no longer a unix site, but a web hosting site, and the second has moved. |
| 14:56.53 | SeanTater | actually the first and /third/ not second don;t exist |
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| 14:58.26 | cbortolotto | I'm using testing and I don't found xorgcfg configuration tool, how I configure my monitor frequency now in testing? |
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| 14:59.00 | cbortolotto | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg don't ask for monitor frequency |
| 14:59.04 | stew | Shakezula: which factoid are you talking about? |
| 14:59.11 | Tassium | cbortolotto: You could cheat and just edit the config file |
| 14:59.19 | raf256 | can I chmod /dev/hda* ? |
| 14:59.23 | Shakezula | How much of a difference is there between i386 binaries and i686 optimized binaries? |
| 14:59.28 | cahoot | cbortolotto: if you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow? |
| 14:59.33 | raf256 | unless I will do stuff like cfdisk of course |
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| 14:59.37 | cbortolotto | hm... I will test |
| 14:59.41 | stew | raf256: yes, but you probably shouldn't, and if you are running udev you definately shoudn't |
| 14:59.43 | cbortolotto | cahoot: :) |
| 14:59.48 | stew | raf256: consider adding yourself to the disk group instead |
| 14:59.51 | aeronadix | raf256, no |
| 15:00.08 | Tassium | Shakezula: Er..Difference in what? Execution speed? File size? Something else? (i686 - i386 = i300) |
| 15:00.10 | raf256 | stew: I ment 000. so, can I disable any access to disc for security etc |
| 15:00.17 | raf256 | *raw access |
| 15:00.23 | raf256 | aeronadix: when it is needed? |
| 15:00.24 | cbortolotto | cahoot: no too |
| 15:00.25 | Shakezula | Tassium, Both? |
| 15:00.46 | stew | raf256: the only person that should have access is the disk group. who is in the disk group on your machine? if nobody, then just keep it at 660 |
| 15:00.48 | Shakezula | Tassium, Speed. Advantages and disadvantages. Or if you could point me to a page that'd be nice. |
| 15:00.49 | bulio | who can help me setup VNC? |
| 15:00.57 | Shakezula | I'm Googling while I ask in here. |
| 15:01.01 | lgd_ | accessorio per iPod |
| 15:01.04 | lgd_ | ops |
| 15:01.05 | lgd_ | sorry |
| 15:01.19 | raf256 | stew: but then compromised program running as root can read it |
| 15:01.39 | stew | raf256: i compromised program running as root can read it no matter what you do |
| 15:02.15 | lgd_ | but some server deb was cracked in this week? |
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| 15:02.43 | stew | lgd_: /msg dpkg gluck compromise |
| 15:02.45 | Tassium | lgd_: Weak password followed by a local kernel exploit, as I recall. |
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| 15:03.18 | raf256 | stew: well, actually root can not read mine /dev/hda but that is for other reasons ;) |
| 15:04.27 | vronsky | Anybody got system backup to dvd suggestions? Mondo doesn't seem to like me. |
| 15:07.11 | lord_rob | vronsky: tar + bzip2 ? isn't one dvd enough ? |
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| 15:08.45 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 15:08.46 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:09.15 | RvGaTe | What application do i need to use to burn a .iso to disc in debian? |
| 15:09.33 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: cdrecord |
| 15:09.40 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: it's a cd-iso image not dvd, right? |
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| 15:10.07 | RvGaTe | just an cd yeah, i want this to be burn on a cd-rw, wich needs to be erased to... |
| 15:10.17 | Drusilla | I have a ton of room on a linux box, yet I get messages like the following: |
| 15:10.20 | Drusilla | svn: Can't open file 'twikiplugins/TigerSkinPlugin/pub/TWiki/TigerSkin/.svn/lock': No space left on device |
| 15:10.27 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: it's bootable? |
| 15:10.33 | RvGaTe | yes |
| 15:10.39 | Drusilla | I only have like 11 gig free. :( |
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| 15:10.52 | TARZEAU | the few times i needed to write something bootable and tried on cd-rw media, it never worked |
| 15:11.12 | Tassium | Drusilla: Are you sure you have the 11 gigs free on the proper partition? How about user quotas? |
| 15:11.31 | RvGaTe | always worked for me, but that was always done in windows, currently i dont have the software installed on my windows... :S |
| 15:11.48 | Drusilla | Yes |
| 15:11.48 | Drusilla | There are no quotas. Private box. |
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| 15:11.49 | Drusilla | One partition, except for swa |
| 15:12.09 | Drusilla | It *appears* to be temp file related. Not /tmp. tempfile |
| 15:12.38 | vronsky | lord_rob: no. I know hd or tape would be a better solution but i'd still like to do a multi dvd backup. |
| 15:13.08 | dutche- | hi, does anybody managed to install Sarge r2 with 2 HD's in Raid 1 and LVM ? |
| 15:13.12 | RvGaTe | TARZEAU, tried it using gnomebaker? |
| 15:13.23 | Drusilla | For what it's worht, it's debian testing |
| 15:13.42 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: i know xcdrecord works, and k3b |
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| 15:14.03 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: no idea about gnomebaker. gcombust used to work too, but not graveman |
| 15:14.24 | TARZEAU | personally i prefer internet and no media at all |
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| 15:15.07 | RvGaTe | TARZEAU, me to, but when installing an OS, you have no choice... (or use a network service) |
| 15:15.23 | Bitz | i should be using a smp kernel for a sigle dual core amd processor? |
| 15:15.35 | Bitz | s/sigle/single/ |
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| 15:15.48 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: sure you have |
| 15:15.54 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: i've always installed solaris over the network |
| 15:16.04 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: and these days i do so for windows and linux |
| 15:16.11 | RvGaTe | sounds interesting |
| 15:16.15 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: it's possible for mac os x and openstep as well |
| 15:16.21 | RvGaTe | TARZEAU, so, how does it work? |
| 15:16.24 | TARZEAU | no floppy, no cdrom, nothing |
| 15:16.32 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: on sparc "boot net" |
| 15:16.36 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: on i386, pxe boot |
| 15:16.49 | RvGaTe | ehmm ? |
| 15:16.54 | aeronadix | how can i troubleshoot my wireless. I have a dlink usb, and I determined I need hostap. I installed it successfully using m-a and now its there when I do lsmod. But when I do iwconfig-no wireless extensions. I'm not sure what move to make next |
| 15:16.59 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: most non-i386 have some kind of simple shell where you tell it to boot from network |
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| 15:17.26 | RvGaTe | TARZEAU, when i boot my pc, i do have the option to boot from network yeah... but how do i actually let it install an OS ? |
| 15:18.27 | TARZEAU | RvGaTe: i've got a date now. but look for pxe... |
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| 15:18.34 | RvGaTe | good luck |
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| 15:19.41 | NetcaD | debian server was hacked? |
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| 15:20.12 | Ronin | NetcaD: comprised |
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| 15:22.04 | sussudio | bleedin overflow |
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| 15:22.42 | FernandoM | Does anyone had problems to install sarge on ASUS k8n4-e? |
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| 15:23.35 | SlayerXP | FernandoM: I would imagine so. that's a motherboard, not a complete computer system. |
| 15:23.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | I get this error since a couple of days and I wasn't able to fix it. Someone has a hint for me? http://rafb.net/paste/results/HyRy6Y98.html |
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| 15:23.48 | SlayerXP | they'd have trouble getting the install CD to fit |
| 15:25.21 | FernandoM | SlayerXP: okay, asking again. Does anyone had problems to install sarge on a computer that have a ASUS k8n4-e motherboard? |
| 15:26.48 | Shakezula | FernandoM, Be more specific about the problems. |
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| 15:28.38 | FernandoM | Shakezula: with kernel 2.4 the onboard ethernet card doesn't work. With kernel 2.6 the installation freezes when trying to load ide-dist |
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| 15:31.14 | Shakezula | FernandoM, Burn. |
| 15:31.38 | FernandoM | burn? |
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| 15:31.44 | Shakezula | FernandoM, Get yourself a full disc install, use Kernel 2.4, then compile 2.6 by hand. That's what I'd do. But that's cause I do it anyway. |
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| 15:32.25 | Shakezula | As in, I build custom kernels. |
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| 15:37.05 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 15:37.06 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. or see <custom netinst> |
| 15:37.38 | sussudio | abrotman: upgrading the pig |
| 15:38.12 | the_mug | how can I search for a package I want to install? |
| 15:38.40 | infernix | where can I find the various meanings of sendmail exit status/return codes? i'm getting no. 87 and can't find much useful anywhere. |
| 15:39.23 | FernandoM | the_mug: apt-cache search package_name |
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| 15:39.47 | jair | hello guys... |
| 15:39.59 | dabreegster | the_mug: apt-cache search keyword |
| 15:40.04 | jair | if I am using KDE, normally as user I will nto have access to see some logs. |
| 15:40.07 | jair | right |
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| 15:40.42 | jair | it is a way that within the kde as user i can switch or have a command that will allow me to act as "root" just to see that file? |
| 15:40.50 | jair | I normally se ethe files using the terminal |
| 15:41.25 | FernandoM | jair: have you kdesu? |
| 15:41.30 | FernandoM | have you tried* |
| 15:41.44 | jair | FernandoM: it is part of the KDE? |
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| 15:41.56 | FernandoM | jair: yes |
| 15:42.14 | infernix | never mind, strace to the rescue:) |
| 15:42.17 | jair | FernandoM: you mean should I do it in the terminal and then the kde will know I am a user with the rights of root? |
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| 15:43.36 | FernandoM | jair: do you want to see a file that only root can read right? you can open a terminal and type: kdesu kedit /file/name |
| 15:44.34 | RvGaTe | What program can i use to erase a cd/rw ? (i tried gnome-baker, nautilus-cd-burner, cdrbq, bonfire, but non of these seem to work, they get stuck at 0% or give errors without explenation) |
| 15:44.59 | RvGaTe | and yes, there is a cd/rw in drive... :P |
| 15:45.10 | FernandoM | RvGaTe: i like to use k3b, always worked to me |
| 15:45.23 | RvGaTe | k3b is kde... i dont have kde... |
| 15:45.43 | FernandoM | hmm sorry |
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| 15:46.53 | RvGaTe | oh well, ill just boot knoppix, that might have k3b installed... |
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| 15:48.25 | jair | FernandoM: thank you very much |
| 15:48.36 | aeronadix | how can i troubleshoot my wireless. I have a dlink usb, and I determined I need hostap. I installed it successfully using m-a and now its there when I do lsmod. But when I do iwconfig-no wireless extensions. I'm not sure what move to make next |
| 15:49.04 | cahoot | RvGaTe: plain cdrecord |
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| 15:50.37 | bringa | Can someone explain to me why an apt-get remove mysql-client would want to INSTALL mysql-server5? |
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| 16:05.02 | eps | need to know how to send volume up and down and mute commands to the sound mixer so I can map them to my media keys |
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| 16:11.34 | sorcer_ | I'm reconfiguring my vpn to use tun instead of tap, problem is that I dont know where the bridge-start thing should reside or if it's hiding in some package. Helpful for all tips (doing by the manual) |
| 16:11.50 | sorcer_ | hum wrong there, used tun, gonna use tap now |
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| 16:12.31 | lefti | Hi, does networking script in sarge use ifconfig or iputils ? |
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| 16:14.08 | amphi | lefti: read it ;) |
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| 16:14.30 | sorcer_ | ah might have found the problem. |
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| 16:21.16 | bulio | any suggestions? |
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| 16:22.25 | sgeigerbot | how can I set the default group an SSH user has when he logs in? What about when he uses scp? or sftp? (It seems as if the user is getting a different group when he uploads files via scp than when he is logged in via ssh) |
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| 16:25.36 | Narada | how to install a .deb file? |
| 16:25.55 | sgeigerbot | Narada: dpkg -i <debfile> |
| 16:26.03 | dabreegster | dpkg -i, but usually you want to use apt-get or a front-end. |
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| 16:30.41 | kapocannonieri | Hi everyone! |
| 16:30.54 | kapocannonieri | I need a bit of help with dhcp and tftp .... |
| 16:31.51 | kapocannonieri | I don't find the way to say dhcpd to use another host for tftp, it tries to load it from where the dhcpd is, and I need it to be other |
| 16:31.57 | kapocannonieri | Could you help me? |
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| 16:33.06 | kapocannonieri | Hi? |
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| 16:35.19 | kapocannonieri | Hi? |
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| 16:36.05 | kapocannonieri | Anyone there? :-( |
| 16:36.17 | SerajewelKS | !tell kapocannonieri about ask |
| 16:36.29 | Tassium | kapocannonieri: Isn't it the 'next-server' parameter you're looking for? |
| 16:37.00 | kapocannonieri | Tassium: is it a question? |
| 16:37.07 | kapocannonieri | I have no idea at all! |
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| 16:38.00 | kapocannonieri | Tassium: oh, thanks, it seems so :-) |
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| 16:52.47 | cvdf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.16 | sciboy | How guys, what's needed to use a usb joystick under 2.6.11? |
| 16:54.07 | sciboy | I see no /dev/js entries. |
| 16:54.29 | GoAuLd | they should be created on the fly by udev |
| 16:54.29 | dabreegster | /dev/input/js under 2.6 I believe |
| 16:54.50 | sciboy | It's being mapped as event4 |
| 16:55.00 | aeronadix | !kp mantra |
| 16:55.00 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 16:55.21 | sciboy | Sorry, i'm new to udev. |
| 16:55.28 | cvdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.32 | kapocannonieri | cvdf: dpkg-reconfigure locale ? |
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| 16:57.33 | sciboy | modprobe joydev did it. |
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| 16:57.58 | hjubal | hi |
| 16:58.03 | kapocannonieri | hi |
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| 17:00.46 | Maquiavelo | Is there a way to remove grub from the MBR from within Linux? |
| 17:01.11 | Maquiavelo | lilo had the lilo -u option |
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| 17:02.40 | remedy- | Maquiavelo, over write it with another bootloaders install option, like lilo's -M? |
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| 17:06.43 | rshakin | anyone have dvd burning working ? |
| 17:07.21 | Shadur | rshakin: apt-get install dvd+rwtools |
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| 17:09.21 | rshakin | now... here is the catch.... anyone have a faq or something i can read to i can set it up \ |
| 17:09.30 | rshakin | i doubht it's going to work right out of the box |
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| 17:10.28 | mneisen | hi, is there a way to convert a running Debian installation into Ubuntu? |
| 17:10.51 | sussudio | ... |
| 17:11.22 | sigma957 | mneisen why would you want to do something silly like that? |
| 17:11.50 | CyberMad | does anyone here ever use kannel (www.kannel.org) in debian? |
| 17:11.55 | CyberMad | how is it? does it work fine? |
| 17:12.14 | CyberMad | i would install it use apt-get install kannel |
| 17:12.15 | mneisen | i want to use ubuntu (no flame war, please), and my hosting service offers debian but not ubuntu. |
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| 17:13.16 | sigma957 | mneisen: I doubt your hosting service would let you change the os |
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| 17:14.09 | rockstar_ | Is there a way I can fake the changelog when I create a deb from source? I have a debian/changelog.in, but no debian/changelog Can't compile without it... |
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| 17:14.26 | rshakin | mneisen debian is better for the hosted enviroment... then ubuntu in the long run it's easier for them to manage it ... so probably not |
| 17:14.40 | mneisen | sigma957: I can do anything I like on a dedicated server. It's completely up to me. |
| 17:14.44 | zorrolero | mneisen: search for howtos where people did it from suse to debian, or from any other os to debian and change the scripts to point to the ubuntu-mirrors |
| 17:15.12 | mneisen | zorrolero: Ok I will try that. |
| 17:15.19 | sigma957 | mneisen: then go to #ubuntu, we only help out on Debian |
| 17:15.25 | zorrolero | yep |
| 17:16.04 | Tallu | Its more of an ubuntu install problem than debian uninstall problem :P |
| 17:16.10 | cvdf | nl_NL.ISO8859-1 where can i find this |
| 17:16.43 | rockstar_ | cvdf: The locale? |
| 17:16.48 | cvdf | yes |
| 17:17.25 | zorrolero | which way to go for mounting a raid-autodetect-fs in another box without raid? |
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| 17:17.40 | cvdf | rockstar_: any idea |
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| 17:18.24 | rockstar_ | cvdf: dpkg-reconfigure locales, select the locale you need. |
| 17:18.46 | rockstar_ | Are there any debian package maintainers in here? |
| 17:18.53 | cvdf | I just need to add support for that |
| 17:18.58 | cvdf | not to make it default |
| 17:19.20 | cvdf | is that already available |
| 17:20.05 | rockstar_ | cvdf, No, you can add support but not make it default. It'll ask you if you select multiple locales which one the default is. |
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| 17:21.09 | cvdf | rockstar_: thanks |
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| 17:30.04 | darrh00 | I upgrade etch yesterday,and I found the fonts in gtk programs,say in gedit, does not display completely,some words or lines are hidden util I put mouse over the line,it will come back,but If the gtk programs lost focus,the lines will again disappear,many programs include totem,gedit,emacs-snapshot-gtk,gnome-system-monitor have this problem ,I suspect it to be problem with libcairo.Has... |
| 17:30.05 | darrh00 | ...anybody here encounter the same question? |
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| 17:36.12 | jdhutchin1 | I used the debian installer to set up lvm |
| 17:36.26 | jdhutchin1 | but now when I run 'vgdisplay', it says there aren't any volume groups |
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| 17:36.45 | jdhutchin1 | some of my partitions are mounted as /dev/mapper/enterprise-disk-home, etc |
| 17:36.51 | jdhutchin1 | but I don't see any lvm with any of the lvm2 tools |
| 17:36.55 | nite613_ | trying to compile madwifi on etch. I need kernel headers for m-a to work, but the only headers available are 2.6.17, and the highest kernel-image available is 2.6.15. What am I to do? |
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| 17:37.18 | jdhutchin1 | nite613_, run m-a prepare |
| 17:37.21 | stew | nite613_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:38.09 | nite613_ | jdhutchin1: Did; it says it can't find my headers |
| 17:38.24 | nite613_ | stew: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:38.40 | stew | nite613_: you should upgrade to the current etch kernel then, /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 17:38.45 | nite613_ | I'm willing to upgrade to 2.6.15, but there is no headers package to match that either |
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| 17:39.22 | stew | !info linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 etch |
| 17:39.31 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686: (Header files for Linux kernel 2.6.15 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.15-8 (etch), Packaged size: 515 kB, Installed size: 11340 kB |
| 17:39.55 | nite613_ | wacky; maybe my mirror is bad.... |
| 17:39.58 | nite613_ | thanks as always |
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| 17:40.39 | stew | nite613_: are you sure you were looking for linux-headers and not kernel-headers? (the name changed as of 2.6.12) |
| 17:40.46 | sussudio | both 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 refuse to compile here all of a sudden. what the fuck. |
| 17:40.51 | nite613_ | stew: That was my problem, yes |
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| 17:41.29 | syntaxx | im using dhcpclient to update my domain it updates my private ip is there anyway i can update my domain without using my private ip such as 10.0.0.3? im only have eth0 and lo |
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| 17:42.49 | m0dY | dpkg: etch |
| 17:42.50 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 17:44.44 | sussudio | stew: is there a debian kernel channel? |
| 17:44.46 | m0dY | anyway, i wanna rename a bunch of .mp3 files in many dirs under one dir, so the if the name of each file is the_song.mp3 , i want it to be the_song_(www.domain.com).mp3 |
| 17:44.55 | m0dY | what tool should i be usin? |
| 17:45.16 | stew | sussudio: yeah, #debian-kernel on oftc |
| 17:45.27 | sussudio | mreh. oftc. |
| 17:45.47 | apetrov | Hiya. Does anybody know how I can tell apt-get to use python2.4 when installing something (like libapache2-mod-python2.4) instead of python2.3 which is the default? (both are installed) |
| 17:45.54 | stew | m0dY: find -type f | xargs rename 's/\.mp3/(www.domain.com)/.mp3' |
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| 17:46.12 | stew | m0dY: errr: find -type f | xargs rename 's/\.mp3/(www.domain.com)/.mp3/' |
| 17:46.19 | meriad | using tcpdump how do I capture ftp traffic |
| 17:46.21 | meriad | i cant remember the syntax |
| 17:46.22 | meriad | ;\ |
| 17:46.24 | stew | m0dY: that's still wrong |
| 17:46.30 | nekromaan | hello,, i installed debian, and i want to install ati drivers, is there a good howto? |
| 17:46.38 | m0dY | stew:! |
| 17:46.49 | stew | 's/\.mp3/(www.domain.com).mp3/' |
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| 17:49.07 | jelly | stew: a _ is still missing, I think |
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| 17:49.59 | m0dY | stew: workin man :) |
| 17:50.00 | m0dY | thanks |
| 17:50.07 | m0dY | so now if i wanna rever things back |
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| 17:50.32 | m0dY | to remove the www.domain.com ? |
| 17:50.37 | thevic | when you say <command1> | <command2>, which command is executed first? how does one look up the manpage for "|"? man pipe? |
| 17:50.40 | sussudio | stew: the channel, like most on oftc, appears to be dead |
| 17:50.58 | stew | m0dY: "perldoc perlop" and look ad how s/// works |
| 17:51.29 | stew | sussudio: there is a corresponding mailing list, or course |
| 17:51.37 | m0dY | okay |
| 17:51.39 | sussudio | bah. why can't the fucker just compile |
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| 17:51.50 | stew | sussudio: gcc incompatibility? |
| 17:51.53 | sussudio | it's not like i'm asking it do to special tricks. |
| 17:52.03 | sussudio | stew: 2.95-4 |
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| 17:52.16 | viyyer | any bygfoot users here? |
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| 17:52.41 | viyyer | bygfoot-update doesn't seem to work |
| 17:52.48 | sussudio | the README says 2.95-4 is the recommended version. |
| 17:52.50 | FernandoM | does anyone know how can i install xorg 6.8 or 6.9 on debian? It can't be the 7.0 |
| 17:53.19 | stew | FernandoM: "/msg dpkg sdn". what is wrong with 7.0? |
| 17:53.30 | syntaxx | im using dhcpclient to update my domain it updates my private ip is there anyway i can update my domain without using my private ip such as 10.0.0.3? im only have eth0 and lo |
| 17:53.32 | stew | oh, nm. i'm guessing you are following some xgl howto or something |
| 17:53.40 | sussudio | stew: what other version am i supposed to use? |
| 17:53.50 | stew | sussudio: that one should work. wanna pastebin the errors? |
| 17:54.05 | sussudio | stew: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/compile-error.txt |
| 17:54.18 | FernandoM | stew: xgl doesn't work well with xorg 7.0 |
| 17:55.03 | lunitik | FernandoM: that why SUSE * is still stuck on 6.9.0 (basically 7.0 w/o modularity) |
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| 17:55.08 | lunitik | ? |
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| 17:55.50 | stew | sussudio: no idea |
| 17:55.54 | FernandoM | lunitik: yes, i guess |
| 17:56.01 | sussudio | ... |
| 17:56.11 | lunitik | viyyer: thats that soccer manager game huh? I've played it, but not recently... |
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| 17:56.47 | _fjh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.02 | FernandoM | i'm trying to conf a new machine but i keep getting this error -> hda: dma-timer-expiry: dmd status == Oxff. what does it mean? |
| 17:57.17 | echnaton | Hi I just created a presentation with latex-beamer. When I open the resulting pdf file with xpdf the fonts are deffered. I checked the pdf file with adobe and everything is fine. can you advice an open source pdf viewe except xpdf and the kde or gnome tools?! |
| 17:58.24 | sussudio | !why is kernel-source-2.6.8 not in testing |
| 17:58.24 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.8 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:59.47 | viyyer | lunitik, the zenity based interface is looking to update my game definitions and stuff but I can give it .bygoot directories as it shows me gtk menus. with .files hidden |
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| 18:01.33 | FernandoM | stew: is there another easy way to install xorg 6.9 ? |
| 18:01.35 | xxpor | !enter |
| 18:01.35 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 18:01.58 | echnaton | !openbsd |
| 18:01.59 | dpkg | openbsd is probably a secure Unix-like operating system (www.openbsd.org), forked from NetBSD, with emphasis on security and portability. Led by Theo de Raadt, a person nearly as beloved as Dan Bernstein. One remote hole in the default install in over 8 years. |
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| 18:02.25 | stew | FernandoM: besides sdn? not that i know of. its been removed from debian |
| 18:02.50 | potatodemon | What is a good web based network traffic monitoring tool that is easy to setup? |
| 18:03.26 | sussudio | "The stock Debian 2.6.8 kernel does not run on systems w/ require the aic7xxx module; apparently some kernel |
| 18:03.29 | sussudio | changes have broken the driver." |
| 18:03.32 | sussudio | ... |
| 18:03.36 | sussudio | fucking idiocy |
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| 18:05.58 | _fjh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.42 | viyyer | _fjh_, I have not.. will try thanks |
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| 18:08.17 | FernandoM | Does anyone here have xgl+compiz running ok? |
| 18:09.35 | v3 | hello all. I am going to leave for school. I want to be able to login to my pc running debian from school. How do i go about doing that ? i should have complete access to the debian system which is not on a static ip and is behind a router/modem and another router ... |
| 18:10.16 | v3 | i was thiking dyndns for the dynamic ip part ... |
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| 18:11.18 | v3 | the biggest problem is with the my school allowing me access to the internet via a proxy server that allows access only via port 80 ... |
| 18:11.35 | cberlo | Hi folks. Got a question about locking down the Gnome Desktop (okay, maybe several questions). Can I prevent users from right-clicking to "Create Launcher" on the desktop or anywhere else; also, can I hide the Places menu somehow? |
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| 18:11.57 | DerJamster | v3: run your ssh on port 80. |
| 18:11.58 | jelly | potatodemon: have you tried ntop? |
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| 18:11.59 | DerJamster | *shrug* |
| 18:12.00 | dabreegster | v3: This is only one part of what you'll need, but check out screen. You can detach and reattach to shells and such. |
| 18:12.26 | v3 | dabreegster: tnx i already use screen almost all the time ;) |
| 18:12.29 | DerJamster | dabreegster: his problem is port 80 ;) |
| 18:12.40 | DerJamster | v3: just run ssh on port 80 instead 22 :> |
| 18:12.50 | DerJamster | If you're running no web server or the like at home. |
| 18:13.18 | DerJamster | Or..if you got a router/firewall.. |
| 18:13.24 | DerJamster | just have it forward port 80 to port 22 on your PC |
| 18:13.31 | v3 | DerJamster: no webserver i just need configure my router and vpn on the router at home once i reach my school after that the system is not switched on ;D |
| 18:13.31 | DerJamster | incoming port, that is. |
| 18:14.33 | v3 | ok cool so i just have to get my debian ssh accepting incoming connections on port80 |
| 18:14.36 | v3 | cool |
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| 18:15.20 | stew | v3: just running it on port 80 won't make it work if you are forced to talk to the internet from school via a web proxy |
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| 18:16.21 | v3 | stew: i suppose i need to use the usual tunnel trick to make that work ... i can do that a school but i need something working over at home which i cannot change ... |
| 18:16.31 | _fjh_ | v3: the proxy will stop you. You need something like corkscrew, if the proxy supports https. |
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| 18:17.36 | v3 | _fjh_: i think tunneling out is feasible atleast that what people over at school tell me .. my school is pretty far away from home and my parents don't know a mouse from a cat ... |
| 18:17.45 | stew | v3: take a look at the httptunnel package |
| 18:18.01 | stew | v3: it works through a web proxy |
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| 18:18.44 | v3 | stew: cool i will try that... so get a basic install of debian ... run ssh, httptunnel right ? |
| 18:18.53 | cberlo | anyone interested in figuring out how to get rid of the Places menu in a Ubuntu install? |
| 18:19.11 | stew | v3: httptunnel requires both a server side and client side component, but basically, yes |
| 18:19.12 | azeem | cberlo: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:19.22 | v3 | how do i avoid debian asking for a password everytime its switched on ? |
| 18:19.39 | v3 | i plan to disconnect the monitor and just leave the cpu running ... |
| 18:19.40 | cberlo | azeem: Thanks, but I tried that. It also applies to Debian, so I'll stay here, if anyone is interested in assisting. |
| 18:19.47 | _fjh_ | v3: You need a proxy which supports special http commands, cannot remember what. persistent maybe? |
| 18:20.02 | sussudio | stew: do people actually run 2.6 kernels in production servers? |
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| 18:20.14 | v3 | _fjh_: hmmz on my home pc ? |
| 18:20.17 | stew | sussudio: yes |
| 18:20.28 | sussudio | stew: it seems horribly broken. |
| 18:20.30 | stew | sussudio: clearly debian.org does :) |
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| 18:21.20 | sussudio | stew: it's not like a i440BX board with onboard SCSI is an unknown configuration. |
| 18:21.36 | sussudio | yet, it doesn't compile. |
| 18:21.54 | v3 | the other question is how do i test a vpn tunnel with just one configured pc ? ... can i terminate my vpn tunnel somewhere to see if it works ? |
| 18:22.14 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 18:22.15 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. or see <custom netinst>, or see <sarge 2.6.16> also |
| 18:22.18 | cberlo | Okay, can anyone suggest a good reason to run LTSP on Debian (as opposed to Ubuntu)? |
| 18:22.32 | abrotman | stew: i added muto's new installer to the 2.6.16 |
| 18:22.37 | abrotman | erm .. sarge 2.6.16 factoind |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:22.44 | _fjh_ | v3: No the proxy at school has to have certain properties. But I would check with the IT-rules at school. It is not worth getting in trouble for something like remote access. |
| 18:23.01 | stew | we know have confirmation that those kernels have a local root vuln, of course |
| 18:23.19 | abrotman | now have? |
| 18:23.24 | stew | yes |
| 18:23.28 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:23.45 | abrotman | stew: should we have muto pull the image? |
| 18:23.51 | abrotman | or ask him to anyways |
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| 18:24.57 | stew | abrotman: well the 2.6.15 is also vuln. i think we'd rather have them available for people that can't install at all with 2.6.8 |
| 18:25.22 | abrotman | stew: we should have him get on that 2.6.17 backport! |
| 18:25.30 | stew | now yer talking |
| 18:25.30 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. that's no good either .. drat |
| 18:25.34 | stew | why? |
| 18:25.41 | abrotman | isn't the 2.6.17 in sid also vuln ? |
| 18:25.43 | stew | no |
| 18:25.45 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:25.49 | stew | (i don't think) |
| 18:26.02 | abrotman | i don't know who was doing the backports for the kernel though |
| 18:26.07 | stew | hmm maybe |
| 18:26.19 | stew | "If you run Linux 2.6.13 up to versions before 2.6.17.4, or Linux |
| 18:26.19 | stew | 2.6.16 up to versions before 2.6.16.24, please update your kernel |
| 18:26.21 | stew | immediately. |
| 18:26.26 | stew | oops sorry about the paste |
| 18:26.39 | sussudio | FUCK |
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| 18:27.47 | abrotman | stew: so .. i don't know hwich point release sid kernel is |
| 18:27.55 | _fjh_ | v3: Some people might consider tunneling ssh traffic over http as some sort of abuse. Consider using a smartphone instead? |
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| 18:28.05 | streuner | abrotman: -3, but its fixed |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman | and bpo just says the kernel-team is responsible |
| 18:28.20 | streuner | changelog would tell |
| 18:28.22 | v3 | _fjh_: oh that's not a problem, i can link to my homepc and ip address. Can i put up a vpn network across a wobproxy ? |
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| 18:28.53 | streuner | abrotman: how about download the latest kernel of bpo and look into changelog? |
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| 18:29.37 | v3 | _fjh_: not really its not a bandwith issue with the school, its just to filter out p0rn et all there were some ugly episodes with students indulging in lewed mms's ... |
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| 18:31.33 | shad0w1e | anyone know how to set up DNS? I've currently got my machine as whatever.com. but I want to get rid of the .com part. |
| 18:31.54 | azeem | shad0w1e: edit /etc/hosts |
| 18:31.56 | abrotman | streuner: eh .. no? |
| 18:31.58 | azeem | and/or /etc/hostname |
| 18:32.05 | shad0w1e | my hostname is fine |
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| 18:32.17 | shad0w1e | but I want machines on the network to be able to access the new domain without any periods in it |
| 18:32.21 | azeem | so where does it turn up as .com? |
| 18:32.27 | shad0w1e | dns |
| 18:32.29 | azeem | ah |
| 18:32.41 | azeem | so your domain is .com? |
| 18:32.44 | azeem | or whatever? |
| 18:32.48 | shad0w1e | right |
| 18:32.52 | shad0w1e | oh |
| 18:32.59 | shad0w1e | lets say its .com |
| 18:33.16 | shad0w1e | and i want my machine to be accessed when i put in |
| 18:33.17 | shad0w1e | http://com |
| 18:33.22 | shad0w1e | in any of hte machines on the network |
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| 18:33.48 | streuner | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7_2.6.16-15bpo2_i386.deb 14-Jul-2006 08:47 16M |
| 18:33.55 | azeem | well, you can add "search yourdomain" to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:34.10 | azeem | but then the above example would access com.yourdomain |
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| 18:34.14 | sussudio | what gcc version should i be using if 2.95-4 takes a dump on both 2.4.27 and 2.6.8? |
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| 18:34.30 | jd|laptop | I setup up software raid with the debian installer, but my raid devices seem to have disappeared |
| 18:34.31 | stew | shad0w1e: are you already running a named? |
| 18:34.36 | shad0w1e | stew |
| 18:34.37 | shad0w1e | yes |
| 18:34.40 | jd|laptop | so when I boot up, I can't get my partitions mounted |
| 18:34.47 | shad0w1e | currently my machine is accesed as hello.hello |
| 18:34.50 | jd|laptop | I have no idea where to go, I'm in recovery mode right now |
| 18:34.51 | shad0w1e | instead of just hello |
| 18:34.51 | streuner | sussudio: what version are you running actually? |
| 18:35.00 | streuner | sussudio: (kernel) |
| 18:35.09 | sussudio | streuner: 2.4.27 |
| 18:35.11 | stew | shad0w1e: you should be able to setup a "whatever" zone the same way you'd setup a "whatever.com" zone |
| 18:35.20 | stew | shad0w1e: though you are probably better off asking in #dns |
| 18:35.26 | streuner | sussudio: well, and why do you want another kernel? |
| 18:35.29 | shad0w1e | right but then I want that when I enter the zone into my address bar, I hit a machine |
| 18:35.39 | shad0w1e | not example.myzone |
| 18:35.44 | sussudio | streuner: because i'm putting it on a different bloody pc |
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| 18:36.24 | stew | shad0w1e: from a client box, does "nslookup zonename dns.server.ip.address" work? |
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| 18:37.16 | shad0w1e | dont have access to any clients now.. |
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| 18:37.36 | stew | shad0w1e: does it work from the server running named? |
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| 18:38.49 | streuner | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7_2.6.16-15bpo2_i386.deb 14-Jul-2006 08:47 16M |
| 18:39.00 | streuner | abrotman: * Fix prctl privilege escalation and suid_dumpable. (CVE-2006-2451) |
| 18:39.10 | streuner | linux-2.6.16 (2.6.16-15bpo2) sarge-backports; urgency=low |
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| 18:39.25 | streuner | so its fixed in the lastest version of bpo |
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| 18:39.51 | streuner | a big thanks to nobse :-) |
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| 18:42.50 | rshakin | w |
| 18:42.55 | rshakin | blah sorry |
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| 18:50.07 | p0t | Hey guys |
| 18:50.27 | p0t | have any of you seen an error like this before? WARNING: Error inserting ath_hal (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-486/kernel/drivers/net/ath_hal.ko): Invalid module format |
| 18:51.10 | p0t | im trying to install madwifi. when i try the command modprobe ath_pci i get a few of those errors |
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| 18:53.59 | p0t | http://www.gatago.com/linux/debian/laptop/14613714.html |
| 18:55.47 | stoned | my sarge box is fucked |
| 18:55.59 | crazy_penguin | good evening to all! |
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| 18:56.25 | cyneox | stoned hehe ;) |
| 18:56.36 | stoned | dude |
| 18:56.40 | stoned | sid has never given me shit much shit |
| 18:56.47 | stoned | testing is the worst, and sarge is ok |
| 18:56.55 | stoned | this much* |
| 18:57.00 | cyneox | ;) |
| 18:57.09 | cyneox | well have fun reinstalling it ;) |
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| 18:57.15 | stoned | no need |
| 18:57.33 | cyneox | no need of fun or reinstallation ? |
| 18:57.46 | stoned | witha bit of work you can easily go back to a sarge system as it was right after install |
| 18:58.11 | stoned | debfoster hasn't been depracated in sarge |
| 18:58.28 | stoned | that and deborphan |
| 18:58.35 | cyneox | well once i've installed modutils (2.6) and then i had huge problems.."no QM_MODULES found bla bla"... i had to reinstall... |
| 18:58.37 | stoned | plus list of packages not in the base system |
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| 19:00.38 | cyneox | are there any interesting debian channels here ? |
| 19:00.43 | cyneox | i'm quite new to freenode |
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| 19:02.23 | rene- | hi, how do i pipe the output of a comand to read its pages, i am trying to compile some software but it generates hundreds of lines of warnings and errors but i cant scroll back that much |
| 19:02.32 | rene- | my command is make install |
| 19:02.37 | cyneox | make install | more |
| 19:02.59 | cyneox | or: make install | less |
| 19:03.02 | cyneox | :P |
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| 19:03.23 | Apeiron | hey all :) i hope for a little help with installing debian, i runned into the following problem: im installing debian 3.1 on a very old system without optical disc reader, so im using the floppy-net install. when it comes to the step "Dedecting Hardware" where the installer loads additional modules, it fails to load "ide-dedect" and "ide-disk", and so fails to dedect my ide harddisk. thanks for any hints how to solve this in advance :) |
| 19:03.50 | cyneox | pfui |
| 19:03.59 | cyneox | try to load them by hand |
| 19:04.09 | rene- | cyneox: that aint working |
| 19:04.10 | Apeiron | how can i get to a shell in the installer? |
| 19:04.38 | Apeiron | ah, got it ^^ |
| 19:04.44 | cyneox | hehe ;) |
| 19:04.49 | rene- | cyneox: it sorts of with less |
| 19:04.53 | cyneox | rene- what do u mean ? |
| 19:05.07 | cyneox | what do u want to sort ? |
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| 19:05.13 | cyneox | just the output ? |
| 19:05.21 | Apeiron | well, it outputs that he cant find any module with that name "ide-dedect" |
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| 19:05.39 | LinuxHelp | Hi, when my ddclient updates, it updates using my pc |
| 19:05.51 | LinuxHelp | 's address, as opposed to my routers address |
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| 19:06.10 | LinuxHelp | it updates 10.0.0.8 instead of my external ip |
| 19:06.15 | Apeiron | thats strange, the module should be there, shouldnt it? |
| 19:06.23 | rene- | with less i get like ten lines of output (make install | less) |
| 19:06.32 | rene- | but i should be getting over 400 |
| 19:06.33 | rene- | i guess |
| 19:06.45 | rene- | i am compiling some software |
| 19:06.57 | rene- | but i cant scroll back enough to see why it fails |
| 19:06.58 | cyneox | then try this: |
| 19:07.05 | cyneox | make install > data.log |
| 19:07.18 | cyneox | so you'll pipe the whole thing into data.log |
| 19:07.35 | rene- | i tried that but then again i only get like 10 lines |
| 19:07.42 | cyneox | hmm |
| 19:07.55 | rene- | maybe i need to redirect stderror?? |
| 19:08.01 | rene- | stderr? |
| 19:08.06 | rene- | i am no unix power user |
| 19:08.30 | rene- | maybe > and | only work on stdout and not stderr? |
| 19:08.33 | LinuxHelp | make install 2> data.log |
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| 19:08.43 | Apeiron | maybe try make install 2> data.log, dunno if i remember right :) |
| 19:08.53 | LinuxHelp | ^^ yeah I agree |
| 19:09.02 | rene- | golden |
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| 19:09.40 | cyneox | ;)= |
| 19:10.07 | cyneox | fuck |
| 19:10.22 | cyneox | i need some box to test the CVE-2006-2451 |
| 19:10.27 | abrotman | use your own |
| 19:10.28 | Apeiron | hmm, so about my problem, maybe i can get ide-dedect and ide-disk on a floppy and load it from there with insmod? |
| 19:10.28 | cyneox | :) |
| 19:10.43 | cyneox | Apeiron you could try |
| 19:10.48 | abrotman | cyneox: use your own box |
| 19:10.54 | Apeiron | where to obtain those modules? |
| 19:11.03 | cyneox | abrotman: then i'll have to install 2.6.13 :( |
| 19:11.04 | cyneox | no timer |
| 19:11.06 | cyneox | time |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | cyneox: then don't worry about it |
| 19:11.22 | cyneox | abrotman: but it does interest me |
| 19:11.24 | abrotman | Apeiron: they're on the floppies .. what floppy images did you use? |
| 19:11.43 | abrotman | cyneox: then use your own box .. don't ask others to put known security risks on their machines |
| 19:11.49 | Apeiron | abrotman, from ftp.debian.org the root.img and boot.img from the stable |
| 19:12.07 | abrotman | Apeiron: for sarge or woody? |
| 19:12.12 | Apeiron | and i think the modules should be downloaded from a mirror during install |
| 19:12.22 | stoned | blah! |
| 19:12.23 | cyneox | abrotman: i didnt say i need some remote machines... i just need a 2nd box here @home for testing |
| 19:12.31 | stoned | abrotman, my sarge boxor is fuxor |
| 19:12.34 | Apeiron | erm, thats 3.1, i dont remember the name.. that was sarge, wasnt it? :o |
| 19:12.55 | stoned | well I supppose that wasn't funny |
| 19:12.58 | abrotman | cyneox: use your own |
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| 19:13.03 | stoned | I thought it would be, anyway, time to fix stuff |
| 19:13.09 | abrotman | Apeiron: find the path you used |
| 19:13.22 | stoned | abrotman, msg please |
| 19:13.23 | Apeiron | abrotman, to download the floppy images? |
| 19:13.27 | abrotman | stoned: okee |
| 19:13.50 | abrotman | Apeiron: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/20050305/images/floppy/ |
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| 19:14.07 | abrotman | Apeiron: you need three of those .. choose either the net or the CD .. i'll assume oyu want net |
| 19:14.10 | Apeiron | exactly where i downloaded them |
| 19:14.17 | cyneox | are there precompiled kernel-images ? |
| 19:14.34 | abrotman | cyneox: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 19:14.43 | cyneox | yes... |
| 19:14.48 | abrotman | Apeiron: your floppies may not be good .. try another couple fo them |
| 19:14.56 | Apeiron | abrotman, uhm.. i thought i dont need the net.. ok, ill try that |
| 19:15.09 | abrotman | Apeiron: you do need the net |
| 19:15.12 | cyneox | are there any precompiled kernel-images (> 2.6.10) ? |
| 19:15.19 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:15.26 | cyneox | where ? ;) |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | cyneox: which version of debian are you running? |
| 19:15.33 | Apeiron | ah, thanks for that hint, im gonna try that |
| 19:15.50 | cyneox | sarge |
| 19:15.51 | abrotman | cyneox: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:15.51 | LinuxHelp | any1 use ddclient? |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 19:15.54 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 19:16.00 | cyneox | abrotman: debian sarge 3.1 |
| 19:16.01 | stoned | !anyone |
| 19:16.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:16.12 | abrotman | cyneox: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:16.24 | cyneox | i'm not usign debian right now.. |
| 19:16.36 | stoned | no, no one uses ddclient, not even the people who use it |
| 19:16.39 | stoned | ehem |
| 19:16.58 | LinuxHelp | stoned, thank you for your honest and objective answer |
| 19:17.10 | stoned | np |
| 19:17.13 | LinuxHelp | dunno what I would do without you ;) |
| 19:17.16 | cyneox | abrotman: just tell me where i can get new kernel-images ? i'm to lazy to compile a new kernel.. |
| 19:17.20 | abrotman | cyneox: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:17.20 | stoned | LinuxHelp, try asking a REAL question next time |
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| 19:17.32 | stoned | save us all some bullshit, yeah? sound like a plan? |
| 19:17.35 | stoned | then word. |
| 19:17.45 | cyneox | abrotman: stop being silly.. |
| 19:17.53 | stoned | oooohh |
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| 19:18.49 | abrotman | cyneox: stop being retarded .. if you can't give me an answer i want .. why should i give you yours? |
| 19:18.53 | LinuxHelp | when my ddclient updates, it updates using my pc's address, as opposed to my routers address I.E. it updates 10.0.0.8 instead of my external ip... any1 using the same configuration, and has ddclient working? |
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| 19:19.14 | cyneox | abrotman i just told you i'm NOT using debian at the moment.. how should i get those information ? :/ |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | come back when you are |
| 19:19.30 | stoned | LinuxHelp, I never used it, although I have a linksys wrt54G router with ddwrt, which allowes me to use the router itself as a ddclient |
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| 19:19.49 | abrotman | cyneox: i'm pretty darn skeptical you have debian installed anywhere |
| 19:19.52 | stoned | LinuxHelp, maybe you can get a custom or diff firmware for the router? |
| 19:19.59 | cyneox | oh mann.. |
| 19:20.04 | cyneox | you want the proof ? |
| 19:20.06 | abrotman | cyneox: the CVE tells you which versions are vulnerable .. there's no need to test for yourself |
| 19:20.08 | stoned | LinuxHelp, I don't know ddclient at all, maybe they have a forums? |
| 19:20.20 | LinuxHelp | stoned, no I'm thinking /etc/ddclient.conf |
| 19:20.23 | cyneox | abrotman: i need to test it by my own |
| 19:20.31 | cyneox | ok wait.. |
| 19:20.39 | pihhan | hi |
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| 19:20.48 | pihhan | anyone here using openldap server? |
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| 19:20.56 | stoned | !anyone |
| 19:20.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:20.59 | Apeiron | *throwing away the 6th bad floppy today* |
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| 19:21.20 | pihhan | ok, sorry :) |
| 19:21.30 | stoned | I can give you a sample format for a question, its very nice |
| 19:21.31 | stoned | !ask |
| 19:21.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:21.36 | deformative | Mmm, dose anyone know the file that yo program for automatically logging in, and startxing? |
| 19:21.53 | pihhan | anyone have working tls security layer on slapd under sarge? |
| 19:22.21 | stoned | deformative, kdm afaik |
| 19:22.35 | deformative | I stoned, without a login manager. |
| 19:22.41 | deformative | Oops. |
| 19:22.45 | stoned | deformative, you can install kdm, which will boot your pc into X, and then use kdm to do an automatic login |
| 19:22.46 | pihhan | on do you understand what is error -11 got from ldapsearch, in ldap_start_tls function? |
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| 19:22.47 | deformative | Forget the "I" part. |
| 19:22.49 | stoned | deformative, no clue mate |
| 19:23.11 | deformative | I have done it before stones, I know it is possible, I just forgot the file name. |
| 19:23.32 | stoned | deformative, I would think it a security problem. I would never enable an auto login on any unix machine |
| 19:23.47 | stoned | deformative, not even if it was offline |
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| 19:24.02 | cyneox | so |
| 19:24.07 | pihhan | stoned: i would enable autologin based on usb key for example on home machine |
| 19:24.11 | cyneox | abrotman: still there ? |
| 19:24.15 | abrotman | no |
| 19:24.20 | stoned | lol |
| 19:24.24 | deformative | Why not? If you only use one wm, and you have no important information on there, it dosent really matter. |
| 19:24.43 | cyneox | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 19:24.47 | cyneox | happy now ? |
| 19:25.09 | stoned | well either way, point being, I do NOT know how to do that, so I can't be of any help to you, plus I wouldn't want to do it anyway |
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| 19:25.32 | cyneox | so pls tell me if i can download other kernel-images ? |
| 19:25.42 | stoned | I know its possible with kdm, but that is all the extent of my knowledge on the matter |
| 19:26.12 | pihhan | so, anyone here were sucessful with tls on slapd? |
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| 19:26.24 | v3 | a slightly naughty question.... i can't seem to find a debian boot disk ... can i just use a ubuntu boot cd and convert that install to debian ? |
| 19:26.35 | stoned | v3, hell no |
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| 19:26.40 | stoned | !d-i v3 |
| 19:26.40 | dpkg | v3, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:27.03 | abrotman | cyneox: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:27.32 | stoned | v3, even if you have a system without a cd/dvd/usb/floppy you can still run the debian installer if you have a working OS on it currently |
| 19:27.49 | stoned | v3, please reffer to section 5 of the debian installation manual |
| 19:27.55 | v3 | stoned: ok tnx |
| 19:28.07 | cyneox | abrotman: ahhh..thats what i wanted to read.. |
| 19:28.22 | v3 | stoned: i will do that ... maybe a live boot cd ? that' won't work ? |
| 19:28.30 | stoned | !install guide |
| 19:28.30 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 19:28.40 | cyneox | cya guys |
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| 19:28.58 | stoned | v3, I suppose, but thats a bit of extra work |
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| 19:29.37 | v3 | ok i will just go with the normal route ... get a business debian cd and go on from there ... shigh i have to dig out some media to put this thing on ... |
| 19:30.11 | stoned | v3, does the machine you want to put debian on have an OS on it? |
| 19:30.31 | nekromaan | hello, i have installed ati driver, after module-assistant a-i fglrx i made modprobe fglrx and changed the xorg.conf, but fglrxinfo sys mesa :(, did i forget anything? |
| 19:30.41 | v3 | stoned: none at all |
| 19:31.48 | pihhan | really noone have tried secure slapd? |
| 19:31.58 | stoned | v3, if you have a live cd, then you can go the longer route. Either you can download/burn the debian netinstaller cd, or you can install ubuntu on it, put a bootloader on your disk, tell that bootloader to load the debian installer ramdisk image and linux kernel. |
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| 19:32.26 | abrotman | erm .. crap |
| 19:32.43 | rockstar_ | Can I do a cp that only copies the files that are newer than the destination files? |
| 19:32.52 | stoned | v3, OR from the live cd, you can format your disk, chroot, debootstrap etc. and stuff... |
| 19:33.06 | pihhan | rockstar_: -u |
| 19:33.12 | stoned | v3, way too much work, I just suggest getting on a diff pc to get the debian cd and using a cd drive to boot it with |
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| 19:33.54 | stoned | v3, anyway, check sections 4 and 5 of the install guide before you try to install debian |
| 19:33.59 | rockstar_ | pihhan, Thanks |
| 19:35.21 | pihhan | at least i know you got my messages :) |
| 19:35.21 | nekromaan | i also did aticonfig --initial, why does not my debian my graphic card? :/ |
| 19:35.56 | pihhan | nekromaan: you debian does what with your card? autodetect? |
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| 19:36.24 | nekromaan | pihhan: nono, i want to install the fglrx driver ;) |
| 19:36.31 | p0t | why doesnt "apt-get --reinstall kernel-headers-$(uname -r)"? |
| 19:36.43 | stoned | s3 time, later |
| 19:36.53 | p0t | socom? |
| 19:36.58 | jelly | p0t: apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 19:37.12 | Apeiron | abrotman, uhm.. this time i loaded the stuff from net-drivers, but the modules are still missing |
| 19:37.14 | p0t | jelly, ahhh thank you.. sorry im new to deb |
| 19:37.19 | nekromaan | pihhan: i made debian/etch packages out of the ati.run file installed them and made modprobe prepare/update/a-i fglrx and aticonfig --initial, is there an error? |
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| 19:37.47 | pihhan | nekromaan: sorry, i never touched any ati card |
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| 19:37.57 | nekromaan | pihhan: its pity, but thx :/ |
| 19:37.58 | pihhan | i think i cannot help you with this |
| 19:38.15 | Dark_Knight_209 | hello, i need to install something with out running xserver. |
| 19:38.22 | Dark_Knight_209 | how do i exit xserver? |
| 19:38.33 | pihhan | Dark_Knight_209: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:38.53 | pihhan | or kdm or xdm or whatever your login manager is |
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| 19:38.59 | the_mug | Dark_Knight_209: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 19:39.05 | pihhan | seems it worked :) |
| 19:39.16 | pihhan | the_mug: no, that is switch, not end |
| 19:39.47 | the_mug | ah yes |
| 19:39.50 | pihhan | the_mug: my tip is he needed install nvidia drivers :) and so he need to stop X |
| 19:40.04 | nekromaan | nobody here who installed ati drivers? :/ |
| 19:40.11 | the_mug | sorry I just glanced at the question... :-p |
| 19:41.00 | abrotman | Apeiron: which are? |
| 19:41.28 | the_mug | pihhan: what files from a setup stand point would you save if you were about to kill a server to reinstall it?... only setup files... I got this so far.../etc/apt/ |
| 19:41.36 | Apeiron | abrotman, missing? ide-dedect and ide-disk, i guess those should be included in ide-utils which is downloaded during the installation process |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | they should be |
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| 19:42.01 | abrotman | Apeiron: how old is the machine? |
| 19:42.21 | Apeiron | well.. quite old.. win95 was on it before :) |
| 19:42.33 | pihhan | the_mug: do you mean by server PC machine itself, and complete reinstall, or reinstalling of one application - server? |
| 19:42.39 | abrotman | Apeiron: no specs? |
| 19:43.00 | Apeiron | ~30 mb ram, processor, dunno, maybe 300mhz or so |
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| 19:43.10 | Apeiron | wait a sec |
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| 19:43.24 | Apeiron | 150 mhz |
| 19:43.28 | the_mug | the whole server |
| 19:43.33 | abrotman | Apeiron: it should be able to find those modules .. maybe try another mirror |
| 19:43.43 | the_mug | :: afk for a sec :: |
| 19:44.04 | marsje | Can anyone explain why my build of video4linux-nw802 using module-assistant is failing? Build output is here: http://mrcl.xs4all.nl/video4linux-nw802-source.buildlog.2.4.27-2-586tsc.1152886851 |
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| 19:44.19 | Apeiron | abrotman, it downloaded the package, but it looks like either the package dont contain the modules or maybe they couldnt be extracted because the installer runned out of ramdisk space? |
| 19:44.43 | abrotman | Apeiron: and you have no optical drive correct? |
| 19:45.00 | Apeiron | well, i tried to attach one, but i cant boot from that |
| 19:45.28 | abrotman | no .. you wouldn't be able to .. |
| 19:45.45 | Apeiron | but maybe i can use cd-drivers and try to load the drivers from cd? |
| 19:45.48 | abrotman | but you could grab sarge ISO #1 .. and use that |
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| 19:46.43 | Apeiron | hm, is there maybe any possibility to boot a bootloader from a floppy to boot from cd? |
| 19:46.58 | abrotman | Apeiron: you could also try the woody floppies ... i had better luck with those |
| 19:47.28 | Apeiron | hm, ok, ill try that |
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| 19:49.06 | serp | hi how do I cut a file of 4gb into 2 pieces of 2gb each? |
| 19:49.10 | nekromaan | does somebody use the fglrx driver of the ati hp? |
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| 19:50.07 | E-bola | Do anybody have a tool they would sugest, if i need to store a certain type of installation (settings,programs etc) for rollout on multiple machines with different hardware? |
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| 19:51.25 | Apeiron | abrotman, uhm, i just can find "rescue.bin" and "root.bin" on the woody disc, no boot.bin, is that normal? |
| 19:51.28 | nite613_ | alright, made good progress with my wifi. I have madwifi & wpa_supplicant working, very nice. I have two APs and would like the association to switch to the strongest AP automatically. This worked when I was using WEP and wireless-tools. Do I need some wpa_supplicant magic for this? |
| 19:51.32 | abrotman | Apeiron: yep |
| 19:51.35 | nite613_ | or madwifi magic for that matter? |
| 19:51.44 | Apeiron | abrotman, so im gonna boot from which one? |
| 19:51.48 | p0t | how can i load modules manually? |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | rescue |
| 19:52.06 | abrotman | p0t: modprobe |
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| 19:52.14 | Apeiron | ok, thx |
| 19:52.25 | p0t | oh ok. |
| 19:52.45 | p0t | i keep getting errors when i try to load the madwifi modules |
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| 19:53.09 | p0t | something about a "modules are the wrong format" |
| 19:53.21 | karim | I am trying to do something with sudo. I would like that when I am logged as root the command $ sudo -u karim echo ~ return /home/karim and not /root/ |
| 19:53.35 | p0t | idk what to do. i updated gcc and recompiled everything and nothing |
| 19:54.11 | p0t | well just the kernel headers and the modules |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 19:54.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 19:55.20 | p0t | ive done all that |
| 19:55.35 | stew | karim: use sudo -i |
| 19:55.52 | myren | i want to do tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep -v [blah] |
| 19:55.56 | myren | but it doesnt update in real time |
| 19:56.02 | myren | how do i get grep to "stream" |
| 19:56.14 | stew | myren: that should work |
| 19:56.27 | abrotman | myren: maybe it buffers? |
| 19:56.33 | stew | only line at a time |
| 19:56.46 | stew | oh wait |
| 19:56.54 | stew | grep has a --line-buffered switch |
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| 19:57.13 | nite613_ | Hmmm if I type "wpa_cli reassociate" it switches to the stronger AP; but it takes awhile. how to get this to happen automatically? |
| 19:57.23 | karim | stew: sudo -i echo ~ try that per see |
| 19:57.28 | karim | stew: it doesn't work for me |
| 19:57.29 | myren | i dont know what that buffering implies |
| 19:57.51 | nekromaan | can anyone plz help me with my ati drivers :/? |
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| 19:58.50 | stew | karim: hmm, i might be mis-remembering. check the sudo manpage, there should be stuff about making it a login shell |
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| 19:59.07 | karim | stew: I am on it, asking here is my last resort |
| 19:59.36 | karim | stew: there is the -H option that sets $HOME but it doesn't give what I expect |
| 20:00.04 | noshadow | karim: ~ is interpreted by the shell, whatever you give sudo as arguments will not change that. |
| 20:01.17 | stew | right |
| 20:01.25 | karim | noshadow: so any idea ? |
| 20:01.36 | noshadow | karim: try echo '~' |
| 20:01.45 | noshadow | and -H |
| 20:01.49 | p0t | : Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 20:01.50 | p0t | why? |
| 20:01.56 | p0t | ive done it before |
| 20:02.04 | p0t | like a hundred times |
| 20:02.05 | Covener | p0t: linux-headers-xxx now |
| 20:02.14 | karim | noshadow: it shows just the ~ |
| 20:02.24 | p0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.31 | p0t | Covener, i did that |
| 20:02.59 | noshadow | karim: try 'echo ~' then |
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| 20:04.29 | karim | noshadow: it fails |
| 20:04.48 | noshadow | than something like sh -c 'echo ~' |
| 20:04.48 | Apeiron | abrotman, looks much better now with the 3.0 floppys, at least cfdisk works and i can manipulate my harddisk :) |
| 20:05.09 | karim | noshadow: succes |
| 20:05.11 | karim | lol |
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| 20:05.47 | abrotman | Apeiron: did you get a network connection? |
| 20:06.01 | karim | noshadow: I don't understand what -i is for though |
| 20:06.05 | Apeiron | abrotman, dont look like it requested one at all |
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| 20:06.34 | Apeiron | abrotman, i just inserted the root floppy, and the partition program popped up ^^ |
| 20:06.50 | nooby_god | if some one is running linux-wlan-ng right now, I would appriciate if you could paste-bin "/usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng/README.Debian.gz" |
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| 20:07.06 | nooby_god | or is there a way to extract that file from the .deb? |
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| 20:07.23 | karim | ok sudo -i is like -s but it sets environnement |
| 20:07.52 | noshadow | nooby_god: ar p bla.deb data.tar.gz | tar -xvvzf - ./usr/share/doc |
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| 20:08.40 | nooby_god | noshadow I'm on my windows box, that's the problem |
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| 20:09.05 | noshadow | and you don't have ar and tar? |
| 20:09.12 | nooby_god | I'm trying to move to debian, and a lot of people refer me to that file |
| 20:09.31 | nooby_god | I have tar |
| 20:09.52 | nooby_god | ooh and I have ar |
| 20:10.01 | nooby_god | thanks noshadow |
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| 20:11.31 | karim | when an application looks for the home of the user, does it uses the environment variable $HOME, or does it go through another process like asking /etc/passwd ? |
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| 20:13.37 | karim | or is it some system call ? |
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| 20:14.06 | abrotman | Apeiron: ok .. see if it lets you configure the network .. do you know what kind of NIC it is? |
| 20:14.42 | Apeiron | abrotman, uhm, sorry, "NIC"? |
| 20:14.54 | wakejagr | karim: it varies. most will tell you in their man page where they look for home dir info |
| 20:15.53 | p0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:16.20 | azeem | p0t: paste the error message to a pastebin |
| 20:16.21 | azeem | !paster |
| 20:16.21 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 20:16.38 | Prudhvi | hi, is there some way i can start a root terminal ( logged in as root ) using a shell script |
| 20:17.57 | azeem | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:17.57 | azeem | sudo xterm |
| 20:18.15 | abrotman | Apeiron: network card |
| 20:18.25 | Prudhvi | azeem, i dont have x installed |
| 20:18.28 | Apeiron | abrotman, ah.. well, the 3.1 floppys autodedected the network card |
| 20:18.37 | abrotman | yeah .. but different kernels and such |
| 20:18.46 | azeem | Prudhvi: what kind of terminal do you want to start? |
| 20:19.00 | Prudhvi | azeem, i want a tty |
| 20:19.06 | Prudhvi | like tty1-6 |
| 20:19.09 | Apeiron | abrotman, hm, i just hope it autodedects it, hehe |
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| 20:20.00 | p0t | azeem, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
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| 20:21.03 | Prudhvi | azeem, anysuggestions ? |
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| 20:21.34 | coax | is it possible to make a "ghost" package, a package that contains nothing - but delivers solves a dependency problem?? |
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| 20:22.25 | seb-- | Is there a "minimal .config" anywhere for someone that wants a minimal kernel build? |
| 20:22.56 | seb-- | (default Debian .config has TONS of stuff in it....basically everything...) |
| 20:22.59 | p0t | azeem, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3139 sorry i didnt realize |
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| 20:23.55 | azeem | p0t: that means the kernel-headers to you (outdated) kernel are not available anymore |
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| 20:24.03 | azeem | p0t: look at snapshot.debian.net for them |
| 20:24.39 | abrotman | p0t: which version of debian are you on? |
| 20:24.51 | p0t | 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 20:24.56 | p0t | i can update right now |
| 20:25.01 | p0t | just not sure how |
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| 20:25.17 | streuner | p0t: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:25.43 | p0t | ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 20:26.43 | streuner | and apt-cache policy | grep 500 shows testing or unstable? |
| 20:27.07 | streuner | and apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 shows testing or unstable? |
| 20:28.33 | p0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.40 | m1co | hey guys |
| 20:28.40 | p0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.46 | m1co | anyone familiar with laptops? |
| 20:28.47 | p0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.04 | m1co | i wanna install debian to laptop but im missing cd-rom, i brought cd-rom for laptop |
| 20:29.06 | m1co | but i cant open it |
| 20:29.12 | p0t | apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 |
| 20:29.15 | m1co | i dispatched all the screws |
| 20:29.32 | p0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.37 | m1co | but at the place where screen is connected its budging |
| 20:29.38 | streuner | ok |
| 20:29.39 | m1co | so i cant open it |
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| 20:29.41 | p0t | streuner, unstable is the answer |
| 20:29.42 | RvGaTe | is there a way to test a screensaver without waiting for 10min? :P (using gnome) |
| 20:29.44 | stew | p0t: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin |
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| 20:29.45 | streuner | you are running unstable :-) |
| 20:30.04 | p0t | stew, sorry |
| 20:30.10 | p0t | streuner, good or bad |
| 20:30.14 | ryan` | RvGaTe: xscreensave-command |
| 20:30.24 | ryan` | er |
| 20:30.24 | m1co | so noone has ever dispatched a laptop before? |
| 20:30.30 | p0t | streuner, thats whats in source.list |
| 20:30.33 | ryan` | if you're using xscreensaver.... |
| 20:30.39 | k-god | m1co: ?? |
| 20:30.41 | abrotman | unstable is up to 2.6.17 |
| 20:30.51 | ryan` | m1co, find a service manual for the laptop |
| 20:30.53 | m1co | k-god i need someone who has opened laptop before to insert cd-rom |
| 20:31.00 | streuner | so the kernel-headers are prolly not anymore in mirrors? |
| 20:31.00 | m1co | where to find that |
| 20:31.05 | ryan` | m1co, google |
| 20:31.09 | ryan` | if you're lucky |
| 20:31.18 | ryan` | m1co, do you have broadband? |
| 20:31.21 | p0t | streuner, yea.. how do i update? |
| 20:31.23 | k-god | m1co: Google for a manual for the laptop. |
| 20:31.48 | k-god | m1co: Most laptops have modular drives, typically with one or two screws holding the drive in place, after which it just slides out. |
| 20:31.57 | ryan` | m1co: you can do a net-install from floppy if you have broadband. |
| 20:32.04 | k-god | m1co: Alternatively, you generally get at laptop guts through the keyboard. |
| 20:32.09 | RvGaTe | ryan`, im suing the standard screensaver that comes with debian... |
| 20:32.16 | ryan` | RvGaTe: not sure |
| 20:32.17 | k-god | m1co: I'd recommend a USB floppy or cdrom m'self. |
| 20:32.18 | streuner | p0t: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-(k7, 686) |
| 20:32.22 | k-god | m1co: What model laptop? |
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| 20:32.28 | streuner | p0t: what CPU do you have? |
| 20:32.38 | m1co | k-god fujitsu siemens, Amilo |
| 20:32.41 | Dabian | I am trying to install X-plane .. a game that I bought. |
| 20:32.50 | p0t | streuner, x86 |
| 20:32.54 | RvGaTe | ryan`, oh well, ill just wait a min. |
| 20:32.55 | Dabian | I get a strange error though. |
| 20:32.59 | k-god | m1co: OK. Good start. What's the manufacturer's product page? |
| 20:33.00 | Dabian | Whoah -- no matter how hard I tried, I failed to get a GLX visual. Something's seriously wonky on your machine. |
| 20:33.13 | m1co | k-god i just need to get it open, i know how to install cd-roms and stuff, but that crap wont come open, it came open half-way but still budging at the monitor place |
| 20:33.21 | m1co | k-god well there's no info about how to open it |
| 20:33.30 | Dabian | I try to install it in a 32-bit environment (I'm on dual core amd64) |
| 20:33.32 | streuner | p0t: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 and pick one |
| 20:33.38 | ryan` | m1co: Laptops are a major pain to take apart. |
| 20:33.48 | Dabian | Any ideas? Google isn't really my friend here .. |
| 20:34.04 | streuner | p0t: the latest -17 of course ... :-) |
| 20:34.13 | ryan` | m1co, they like to hide screws |
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| 20:34.17 | Dabian | ryan` : A pain .. not nessesarily major though .. then again, I guess thats depends on a lot of things .. |
| 20:34.40 | ryan` | m1co, i took a compaq hard drive out last night, had a damned plastic plug over the screw. |
| 20:34.47 | Dabian | A crowbar could be useful somehow. |
| 20:34.47 | ryan` | took me like an hour to figure out |
| 20:35.09 | ryan` | i think he expectes to be able to put it back together and have it work :P |
| 20:35.15 | p0t | linux-image-2.6.17-1-686 |
| 20:35.17 | m1co | ryan` is it possible to have some screw at the place where monitor connects with the box? |
| 20:35.19 | k-god | m1co: Talk to your manufacturer, find out who OEMd the system (most laptops are built by a couple of manufacturers in Taiwan), or email the debian-laptops list which is pretty good on this stuff. |
| 20:35.22 | Dabian | ryan` : Well .. compac tries to make it hard for none-certified guys .. so that would be a major alright. :-) |
| 20:35.28 | k-god | m1co: What pages have you found? |
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| 20:35.40 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.43 | ryan` | m1co: what is the make and model of the laptop? |
| 20:35.47 | m1co | k-god only some crap pages learning how to keep laptops safe and how to update bios |
| 20:35.59 | k-god | m1co: Funny, that URL is 404. |
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| 20:36.01 | Dabian | war95 : Most likely .. I have no idea how though. |
| 20:36.03 | m1co | ryan` amilo l7300 |
| 20:36.07 | k-god | m1co: What pages have you found? |
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| 20:36.26 | Dabian | war95 : Start off compiling the source for both yourself, though. |
| 20:36.26 | streuner | p0t: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:36.29 | m1co | k-god i just told you |
| 20:36.54 | k-god | war95: You can emulate that with explicit positioning. |
| 20:36.59 | p0t | streuner, huh? i already chose the other one |
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| 20:37.07 | streuner | p0t: keep in mind x86 is a relative wide term :-) |
| 20:37.07 | war95 | k-god: position wont help if it uses 3200x1200 |
| 20:37.22 | RvGaTe | When i look at my memory status, it says that 23% is in use by programs, and 70% is in use by cache... seems a bit wrong that i only have 7% free... :S is this alright? or am i missing something... |
| 20:37.23 | Dabian | war95 : Another way would be to drop the twinview, and run a different x-server on the other display? (I guess thats cheating .. but still?) |
| 20:37.23 | p0t | streuner, i have a p3 and that one had all the intels |
| 20:37.24 | k-god | war95: Give it X resources of geometry + position: -geometry XxY+XOFFSET+YOFFSET |
| 20:37.29 | k-god | war95: ... or vice versa. |
| 20:37.38 | streuner | p0t: so use what we told you |
| 20:37.38 | ryan` | i mostly see spam pages googling for it |
| 20:37.39 | k-god | war95: +0+0 |
| 20:37.53 | k-god | war95: You can also provide negative offsets to warp window decorations off screen. |
| 20:38.07 | ryan` | m1co: safest thing to do is put it back together, and do a network install, bootstraped from floppy. |
| 20:38.28 | p0t | whats the differece between linux-image-2.6.17-1-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:38.29 | Dabian | btw .. anyone have help for me? |
| 20:38.34 | streuner | p0t: libc6-i686 |
| 20:38.42 | m1co | ryan` i got no floppy:P |
| 20:38.45 | streuner | p0t: wouldn't be bad too. |
| 20:38.50 | Dabian | p0t : The latter is virtual, and depends on the former (or depended) |
| 20:38.59 | war95 | k-god: I did +0+0 |
| 20:39.03 | war95 | k-god: still uses both screens |
| 20:39.11 | ryan` | m1co: does it have USB? |
| 20:39.15 | war95 | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=8098123&forum_id=7605 |
| 20:39.16 | war95 | no solution |
| 20:39.17 | Dabian | p0t : Read the description for it .. it always depends on the latest 2.6-kernel for the 686. |
| 20:39.19 | p0t | ok so after its done with its current install i apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:39.22 | k-god | war95: Duplicated on both screens or sized over both screens? |
| 20:39.32 | war95 | k-god: the latter |
| 20:39.37 | k-god | war95: *don't* specify fullscreen. *do* specify a geometry. |
| 20:39.38 | Dabian | p0t : apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:39.44 | p0t | Dabian, yea i did i though i made a good choice |
| 20:40.09 | Dabian | k-god : You realise that rdesktop acts differently when in full screen, right? |
| 20:40.19 | war95 | k-god: I want full screen on ONE monitor |
| 20:40.21 | war95 | k-god: like in windows you can move the screen to a separate monitor and thn expand it to be just like you are on the computer |
| 20:40.23 | k-god | Dabian: Such as? |
| 20:40.37 | Dabian | k-god : Capture key-combos etc. |
| 20:40.38 | p0t | ok its doing it |
| 20:40.39 | k-god | Dabian: Most of the differences can be explicitly managed through your window manager. |
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| 20:40.48 | Dabian | k-god : Agreed. |
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| 20:40.57 | k-god | Dabian: One of the reasons I like wmaker. I can tell it what to do / not do on a given window. |
| 20:41.05 | Dabian | k-god : Me2 :) |
| 20:41.06 | ryan` | m1co: that looks like a fairly new laptop, you should not need to take it apart to put in a cd drive |
| 20:41.20 | k-god | war95: another alternative for you is to run rdesktop on its own workspace. That's my own preference. |
| 20:41.23 | Dabian | k-god : Esp. nice for the Emacs window ;-) |
| 20:41.33 | m1co | ryan` well i tried otherway wont work |
| 20:41.35 | Dabian | k-god : Running gnome right now though (i must admit) |
| 20:41.53 | ryan` | m1co, any way to call support for the laptop? |
| 20:41.54 | Dabian | war95 : Yeah .. why must it be twinview? |
| 20:42.01 | k-god | Dabian: You poor fool. |
| 20:42.12 | Dabian | k-god : Thanks, I guess :-) |
| 20:42.24 | Dabian | k-god : You do not happen to code in obj-c? |
| 20:42.25 | p0t | streuner, ok so i just did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686" but uname -r still shows the old kernel |
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| 20:42.42 | streuner | heh |
| 20:42.49 | Led_Zeppelin | any Xen users here? Are you using the binary distribution or the source one? |
| 20:42.54 | Dabian | Unknown command: PINGFLOOD |
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| 20:43.08 | streuner | you are running unstable and don't know how to install a simple kernel? |
| 20:43.10 | Dabian | Led_Zeppelin : No, no. |
| 20:43.21 | Dabian | Led_Zeppelin : Forget that. |
| 20:43.31 | m1co | ryan` well its like 2am here |
| 20:43.38 | k-god | m1co: From what I can tell of F-S's product support and website, I'll never buy one of their laptops. |
| 20:43.39 | p0t | streuner, this is my first debian attempt |
| 20:43.44 | m1co | ryan` i just found hardware manual i try to check it out |
| 20:43.47 | streuner | so reinstall |
| 20:43.50 | Dabian | streuner : I am running SID and I don't even know how to install a game! |
| 20:43.52 | Led_Zeppelin | Dabian: what wa do you do it? |
| 20:43.53 | ryan` | k |
| 20:44.03 | p0t | streuner, reinstall everything? why |
| 20:44.04 | streuner | Dabian: use apt-get install ;-) |
| 20:44.06 | k-god | m1co: Anectdote: a friend gave me an old IBM thinkpad. 486 model, from 1992. |
| 20:44.07 | Dabian | Led_Zeppelin : I am sure vmware is not XEN so .. |
| 20:44.14 | Dabian | streuner : Not for x-plane. |
| 20:44.17 | Led_Zeppelin | Dabian: oh, you are using VMware? |
| 20:44.18 | Dabian | !x-plane |
| 20:44.20 | k-god | m1co: The disk burned out on it finally a couple of years ago, otherwise it was a good firewall. |
| 20:44.27 | Dabian | Led_Zeppelin : Not anymore. |
| 20:44.31 | Led_Zeppelin | Dabian: is VMWare for Linux free? |
| 20:44.32 | Dabian | !dpkg |
| 20:44.32 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
| 20:44.39 | k-god | m1co: The product documentation is *still* online, including service manuals, 14 years after manufacture date. |
| 20:44.44 | Dabian | Led_Zeppelin : Only as beerware. |
| 20:44.47 | k-god | Feh. |
| 20:44.59 | Dabian | !xplane |
| 20:45.12 | azeem | Dabian: please /msg the bot |
| 20:45.17 | Dabian | streuner : See? Not even da mighty DPKG knows about X-plane. |
| 20:45.28 | Led_Zeppelin | Dabian: meaning? it IS free :p |
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| 20:45.32 | nyph-1 | !startup |
| 20:45.33 | dpkg | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script' do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which scripts get executed. |
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| 20:45.47 | Dabian | azeem : SOrry .. was trying to make a point .. didn't know that factoid would flood so much .. while back it wouldn't. |
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| 20:46.10 | Dabian | streuner : I am running SID in a chroot environment. |
| 20:46.31 | war95 | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256285 |
| 20:46.33 | war95 | here is the bug |
| 20:46.36 | Dabian | (The joys of 64 bit ...) |
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| 20:47.26 | Dabian | war95 : Ahh .. fix that bug, and you're good to go! .. Ask Steven to loop you up before you go go. |
| 20:47.38 | Dabian | s/loop/lupe/ |
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| 20:48.03 | stoned | wtf are you on about? |
| 20:48.21 | stoned | oh fuck me, wrong channel |
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| 20:48.29 | Dabian | !fuck stoned |
| 20:48.33 | stoned | heh |
| 20:48.34 | stoned | lol |
| 20:48.42 | Dabian | Worx not anymore? |
| 20:48.51 | stoned | the other day I talked in #amarok for an hour thinking I was in #debian |
| 20:49.09 | derek_ | Can anyone help me, I know this isn't the place but Dell refuses to talk to me. I tried to upgrade my memory in my laptop and it turns on, the capslock key blinks then it turns off, even the old memory won't work |
| 20:49.19 | Dabian | stoned : We begin to understand your choice of nick, I guess. |
| 20:49.24 | derek_ | Please tell me its not fucked |
| 20:49.26 | stoned | derek_, wow, I'm about to start working for dell |
| 20:49.33 | abrotman | derek_: #hardware |
| 20:49.38 | Dabian | derek_: its not ... what you said. |
| 20:49.40 | stoned | Dabian, indeed |
| 20:49.55 | derek_ | ok, didn't know that existed, thanks |
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| 20:50.24 | Dabian | derek_ : But .. I guess your laptop has a problem, or you destroyed all the ram. |
| 20:50.31 | stoned | Dabian, indeed, but the problem is, I haven't toked in like 5 weeks |
| 20:50.33 | abrotman | or the mobo :) |
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| 20:50.50 | Dabian | abrotman : Exactement mis amis. |
| 20:50.57 | derek_ | dont say that |
| 20:51.03 | stoned | Dabian, trying to get this job, soon as I get done with my piss test, I should be the same genius I was before I quit smoking |
| 20:51.04 | stoned | ;) |
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| 20:51.29 | ryan` | drugs only make you _THINK_ you are smart |
| 20:51.35 | abrotman | that's right .. the stunning display of intelligence you see is when stoned is NOT high :) |
| 20:51.43 | Dabian | stoned : Talk to your con-gressman to get urine-tests banned. |
| 20:51.51 | stoned | Dabian, not gonna happen |
| 20:51.55 | Dabian | ryan` : Shhh .. |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | congress is one word |
| 20:52.03 | stoned | lol |
| 20:52.14 | Dabian | abrotman : gressman isn't? |
| 20:52.21 | abrotman | whatever |
| 20:52.25 | abrotman | stoned: i have a job for you! |
| 20:52.26 | drasko | Hi all. I am compiling something, but it throws several screens of errors. How to log output to a log file? |
| 20:52.29 | Dabian | abrotman : So its "congress man" ? |
| 20:52.38 | abrotman | Dabian: don't you live in pittsburgh? |
| 20:52.40 | stoned | ryan`, well, that is true, but i've been smoking weed since I was 12 years old. Hell my family wouldn't let me smoke until I was 14, I had to get my grandfather to talk my parents into letting me smoke |
| 20:52.46 | Dabian | abrotman : Not yet. |
| 20:52.50 | ryan` | drasko: COMPILE COMMAND &>file |
| 20:52.52 | Dabian | abrotman : I'm an alien. |
| 20:52.54 | jair | guys do you know if is a room on freenode that talks about AIX? |
| 20:52.58 | abrotman | Dabian: shocker :) |
| 20:53.01 | abrotman | jair: try #unix |
| 20:53.02 | jair | the IBM unix os version? |
| 20:53.06 | jair | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:53.10 | stoned | ryan`, I have a 3.2114 cumulative GPA after 70 credit hours, I code .NET for an oil compnay, trust me, I'm not a lazy dumb stoner |
| 20:53.13 | abrotman | erm .. it's empty .. wtf |
| 20:53.15 | k-god | jair: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:53.21 | ryan` | stoned: no, you're from the south. |
| 20:53.26 | Dabian | abrotman : You play games, right? |
| 20:53.30 | k-god | jair: ... and /list *pattern* will show channels matching pattern. |
| 20:53.36 | drasko | ryan`, is & neccesary? |
| 20:53.39 | k-god | jair: Erm. 'chanserv', not 'nickserv'. |
| 20:53.48 | jair | k-god: thank you very much |
| 20:53.48 | abrotman | Dabian: My name is WHOPPER |
| 20:53.54 | ryan` | drasko: the &> means stderr and stdout |
| 20:53.56 | Dabian | abrotman : Do you play games under GNU/Linux - possibly DEBIAN ? |
| 20:54.04 | abrotman | not very many |
| 20:54.11 | stoned | ryan`, you sound like a typical judgemental self-righteous prick |
| 20:54.12 | Dabian | abrotman : You're the King then ;-) |
| 20:54.17 | stoned | no offense meant of course |
| 20:54.26 | drasko | ryan`, thanks! |
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| 20:54.49 | Dabian | stoned : Hmm .. it did sound pretty offensive though. You gotta work on your diplo-skillz man! |
| 20:54.56 | drasko | is there a way to do the same, but to see output on stdout at the same time? |
| 20:54.58 | stoned | Dabian, that is true |
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| 20:55.11 | k-god | ryan`: Wrong. |
| 20:55.16 | abrotman | ok .. there's a #irix and #solaris and #hpux and no freaking #aix? |
| 20:55.30 | stoned | abrotman, guess it wasn't important enough |
| 20:55.35 | stoned | or not enough people cared |
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| 20:55.46 | jair | abrotman: I was checking but haven't try to find aix |
| 20:55.49 | ryan` | stoned, Not usualy, I'm just in a nasty mood cause the air conditioning is broken. |
| 20:56.08 | stoned | ryan`, that is no reason to be a dick to others. Please, control your feelings. |
| 20:56.10 | Dabian | abrotman : Do you wish to help me? I get in trouble trying to install X-plane 8.40 under a 32bit SID chroot, getting this error: "Whoah -- no matter how hard I tried, I failed to get a GLX visual. Something's seriously wonky on your machine." |
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| 20:56.30 | abrotman | Dabian: do you have nvidia or ati ? |
| 20:56.31 | Dabian | abrotman : nvidia |
| 20:56.39 | abrotman | Dabian: does it work correctly? |
| 20:56.44 | stoned | good choice, nvidia == da shiznit |
| 20:56.47 | Dabian | abrotman : glxgears seems to run .. I dunno if its simply burning cpu-cycles though. |
| 20:56.48 | digipanel | How do I ensure my README file is listed at the TOP if someone does a 'ls -la' ??? |
| 20:57.04 | abrotman | Dabian: i'd suspect it's looking for mesa .. which nvidia doesn't use |
| 20:57.05 | Dabian | abrotman : Maybe I need to tell you that I run X in 64bit mode in teh host system. |
| 20:57.18 | abrotman | Dabian: you're using the binary drivers though right ? |
| 20:57.19 | Dabian | ahh .. so apt-getting some mesa-stuff might help! |
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| 20:57.23 | ryan` | stoned: I'm sorry, you're right, that WAS un-called for. |
| 20:57.25 | Dabian | abrotman : Yup. |
| 20:57.37 | stoned | ryan`, hey, no problem buddy :) |
| 20:57.37 | abrotman | Dabian: try asking #nvidia |
| 20:57.39 | Dabian | abrotman : I am not sure what the 32-bit environment uses though. |
| 20:57.46 | k-god | ryan`: Hrm. Subtly wrong. |
| 20:57.51 | Dabian | I get in doubt right now. |
| 20:58.02 | k-god | ryan`: Reading REDIRECTION in bash(1) ATM. |
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| 20:58.10 | drasko | !dpkg |
| 20:58.11 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
| 20:58.25 | stoned | drasko, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 20:58.28 | freebox | how i can change Xfree by xorg? |
| 20:58.40 | drasko | stoned, oh... ok |
| 20:58.45 | k-god | ryan`: Erm. Hrm. Um. I think _I_'m wrong. |
| 20:58.47 | freebox | s/change/replace |
| 20:59.36 | ryan` | heh |
| 20:59.38 | k-god | ryan`: Been doing this stuff so long the symantics sometimes aren't entirely clear. |
| 20:59.42 | the_mug | silly question: how is debian pronounced? |
| 20:59.48 | stoned | semantics* |
| 20:59.48 | abrotman | deb-ian |
| 20:59.49 | stoned | :) |
| 20:59.49 | azeem | differently |
| 20:59.50 | ryan` | deb ian |
| 20:59.58 | Gnea | deb-ee-an |
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| 21:00.05 | stoned | Gnea, hey man whats up |
| 21:00.08 | k-god | ryan`: I thought that '&' was a generic "combine filehandles" logic. It does apear to be a "stderr+stdout" specific thing. |
| 21:00.10 | abrotman | !pronounce |
| 21:00.10 | dpkg | i guess pronounce is at http://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | wrong |
| 21:00.18 | abrotman | !pronounce debian |
| 21:00.18 | dpkg | debian is pronounced like Deb and like Ian. Deh-be-an |
| 21:00.19 | stoned | Gnea, I said he to you before I had to go to bed, where are you these days man |
| 21:00.20 | k-god | stoned: Them too. |
| 21:00.26 | stoned | s/he/hi |
| 21:00.34 | abrotman | !tell miccet_1 about root |
| 21:00.35 | Gnea | stoned: not much |
| 21:00.36 | the_mug | nice |
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| 21:00.53 | Gnea | stoned: heh, working, going to school.. same ol' |
| 21:00.55 | k-god | abrotman: That should be more like "Deh-bee-en" |
| 21:01.01 | stoned | Gnea, hey man I score that job with Dell |
| 21:01.14 | Gnea | stoned: nice, when do you start? |
| 21:01.14 | abrotman | k-god: i didn't write it |
| 21:01.16 | stoned | Gnea, they offered me 32 grand a year, and I don't even have a bachelors yet |
| 21:01.17 | k-god | abrotman: ... or deh-BEE-en. |
| 21:01.23 | k-god | abrotman: Didn't say you did. |
| 21:01.26 | stoned | Gnea, either the 7th of aug, or the 20th |
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| 21:01.40 | Gnea | stoned: that figures, not bad tho |
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| 21:01.42 | stoned | Gnea, my classes start from august 1st too, so I won't be around much |
| 21:01.53 | stoned | Gnea, yeah, something to hold me over until I graduate |
| 21:02.02 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:02.08 | stoned | Gnea, also, some people begged me to play guitar in thier death metal band |
| 21:02.14 | stoned | I had no idea I was this good |
| 21:02.23 | k-god | stoned: You're not . |
| 21:02.26 | stoned | but damn I do have 20 years under my belt |
| 21:02.39 | stoned | oklahoma is not that bad anymore |
| 21:02.41 | Gnea | k-god: i beg to differ. |
| 21:02.47 | Dabian | stoned : B happy they didn't want you to growl. ;-) |
| 21:02.49 | stoned | but I'm still trying to move away to either houston or something |
| 21:02.58 | ryan` | k-god: Eh. It doesn't really matter. |
| 21:03.03 | stoned | Gnea has heard my guitaring :) |
| 21:03.15 | k-god | ryan`: ? |
| 21:03.22 | ryan` | the &> thing |
| 21:03.31 | stoned | direction |
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| 21:03.36 | stoned | re* |
| 21:03.49 | Gnea | stoned: you should move to phoenix ;) |
| 21:03.53 | Dabian | stoned : You know the tune "ARE YOU READY? [doh-doh bang-bang .. etc] |
| 21:03.54 | stoned | too hot man |
| 21:04.02 | k-god | ryan`: Actually, I want to find one of the Larry Peek shell refs. There can be some subtle side effects. |
| 21:04.03 | Gnea | bah |
| 21:04.09 | stoned | Gnea, I used to live in scotsdale |
| 21:04.11 | Gnea | that's just a cop-out excuse |
| 21:04.14 | stoned | even that was too hot |
| 21:04.24 | stoned | I've lived in AZ man, I'm not making this up |
| 21:04.26 | Gnea | stoned: ah, when was that? |
| 21:04.29 | stoned | it IS too hot |
| 21:04.35 | stoned | Gnea, umm, 14-16 |
| 21:04.38 | phogg | df reports total space as 287967352, Used space as 277554684 and Available space as 0. What gives? |
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| 21:04.42 | Gnea | yeah, it's about 115F out right now |
| 21:04.45 | k-god | ryan`: Eg: difference between subshell execution when using, say: <command> | while read VAR; do <cmd list>; done |
| 21:04.51 | Gnea | stoned: eh? |
| 21:05.03 | k-god | ryan`: In bash, the subshell is in the 'read' cmd list. |
| 21:05.03 | stoned | when I was 14-16 years of age, I am 25 now |
| 21:05.09 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 21:05.12 | k-god | ryan`: In zsh, the subshell is '<command>'. |
| 21:05.28 | k-god | ryan`: If you're trying to do break or other flow-control, zsh is a lot saner than bash. |
| 21:05.40 | ryan` | k-god, Only heathens use zsh ;) |
| 21:05.49 | Gnea | on my next day off, i think i'm gonna drive to the pacific ocean and chill for a day :) |
| 21:05.58 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:06.00 | k-god | ryan`: Which I'll also admit isn't file redirection, but it's one of those cases where understanding what's going on helps a lot. |
| 21:06.06 | k-god | Gnea: Where you at? |
| 21:06.15 | stoned | Gnea, my uncle livesin Rhode Island Barrington, he has the atlantic ocean in his backyard :) |
| 21:06.16 | Gnea | k-god: feenix |
| 21:06.27 | Gnea | stoned: nice |
| 21:06.27 | k-god | Gnea: That's a bit of a drive. |
| 21:06.28 | Dabian | abrotman : Thanks for you help! Its running now! |
| 21:06.33 | stoned | Gnea, cosmetic surgeon, and 3 times florist of the year, rich mother fucker |
| 21:06.34 | Dabian | (I am exited!) |
| 21:06.41 | Gnea | bbiaf |
| 21:06.48 | stoned | Gnea, but, when ever he visits, all the kids get like a couple of hundred bucks, we love him |
| 21:06.48 | stoned | hehe |
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| 21:07.27 | k-god | stoned: So long as it's no skin off his nose.... |
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| 21:07.36 | p0t | in the new kernels make file am i supposed to replace the letters with the date or do i just leave it as is ?? Set EXTRAVERSION = -YYYYMMDDn |
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| 21:07.47 | stoned | what do you think about the plate tectonics, california going under, and then us having an "Arizona Bay" |
| 21:07.49 | Dabian | !report BoDiUSA |
| 21:07.52 | stoned | k-god, haha, good one |
| 21:08.00 | p0t | dpkg kernel |
| 21:08.02 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.4, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc1-git8, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-rc2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc1-mm2 |
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| 21:08.11 | stoned | p0t, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 21:08.13 | p0t | dpkg compile0-kernel |
| 21:08.13 | the_mug | does anyone know if apache 2.2.2 is in apt-get ? |
| 21:08.18 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 21:08.19 | dpkg | methinks dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 21:08.24 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 21:08.24 | dpkg | well, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 21:08.25 | p0t | dpkg compile-kernel |
| 21:08.30 | stoned | for fucks sake |
| 21:08.32 | stoned | use /msg |
| 21:08.36 | p0t | haha |
| 21:08.43 | Dabian | !msg p0t google |
| 21:08.51 | Dabian | !tell p0t about google |
| 21:09.24 | the_mug | anyone? |
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| 21:09.34 | Dabian | !seen anyone |
| 21:09.34 | dpkg | anyone <n=username@3E6B9A9A.rev.stofanet.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 186d 23h 16m 54s ago, saying: '[necro], but I don't know actually.'. |
| 21:09.43 | stoned | the_mug, we know as much as you do, please check with packages.debian.org |
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| 21:09.47 | stoned | !search |
| 21:09.47 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 21:09.55 | stoned | the_mug, look above ^^ |
| 21:10.10 | Deepa | anyone know a identd that works with IRC (preferrably with sbnc too) and works behind a router |
| 21:10.12 | Dabian | !tell stoned about stoned |
| 21:10.22 | stoned | Deepa, oidentd, pidentd |
| 21:10.25 | Deepa | or someone who can help me fix IP masquerade thingy with oidentd |
| 21:10.29 | Deepa | stoned: /usr/sbin/oidentd -i |
| 21:10.36 | Deepa | is that the correct way to start pidentd? |
| 21:10.37 | Deepa | err |
| 21:10.40 | Deepa | change oidentd to identd |
| 21:10.42 | stoned | Deepa, /etc/init.d/oidentd start |
| 21:10.43 | Deepa | and you got what i mean XD |
| 21:10.48 | drasko | hi all. I tried to compile simple "Hello world" module, but gcc throw me a bunh of errors. I pasted log here: http://pastebin.ca/88384. Any ideas? |
| 21:10.55 | Deepa | stoned: i run oidentd with -r deepy |
| 21:10.58 | Deepa | hence it works |
| 21:11.04 | stoned | drasko, how is this related with debian? |
| 21:11.05 | Deepa | but i need to give out more ident's then just deepy |
| 21:11.28 | Deepa | i have port 113 forwarded |
| 21:11.33 | Deepa | and i just dont know what to do :p |
| 21:11.35 | ryan` | drasko: try #c or #gcc |
| 21:11.38 | Deepa | it starts with |
| 21:11.45 | Deepa | err moment |
| 21:12.18 | Dabian | stoned: How do I install notepad with support for the dutch language on ms-windows 2003 server running as a terminal? |
| 21:12.29 | Dabian | stoned : That was a trick question. |
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| 21:13.08 | poonj | hey guys, anyone here have the config file for 2.6.16? |
| 21:13.22 | Deepa | oidentd -mf -P 192.168.0.1 -u nobody -g nobody |
| 21:13.27 | Deepa | but as that |
| 21:13.28 | poonj | I'm trying to upgrade from 2.6.15, but I'm patching it with openswan ipsec |
| 21:13.34 | Deepa | it does NOT give out ident's when i connect to IRC |
| 21:13.37 | poonj | the 2.6.16 source that is.. |
| 21:13.41 | stoned | Dabian, how the fuck should I know |
| 21:13.52 | stoned | Dabian, don't single me out please, and I don't use windows |
| 21:14.17 | Deepa | huh? |
| 21:14.20 | Deepa | ofc i run debian xd |
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| 21:16.41 | Deepa | ow dabian |
| 21:16.42 | Deepa | as in dbain |
| 21:16.45 | Deepa | dabian* |
| 21:17.15 | stoned | apt popcon |
| 21:17.17 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:17.27 | the_mug | is there anything wrong with formatting the /boot as reiserfs? |
| 21:17.30 | freebox | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 21:17.31 | freebox | how i can clean olds |
| 21:17.49 | freebox | ho i can fix it? |
| 21:18.10 | Deepa | stoned: what sort of popularity contest? |
| 21:18.13 | Deepa | apt oidentd |
| 21:18.14 | apt | ident (rfc1413) daemon for linux that allows users to specify usernames. URL: http://www.numb.org/~odin/ |
| 21:18.19 | Deepa | sweet cheese |
| 21:18.29 | stoned | Deepa, please use /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
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| 21:19.12 | stoned | Deepa, popularity contest is to see which debian packages are used the most all over the world, if people have installed the package that is |
| 21:19.16 | Deepa | oic |
| 21:19.21 | stoned | Deepa, visit the website for more information |
| 21:19.28 | Deepa | heh i just had a feeling like |
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| 21:19.34 | Deepa | "who is the most ddosed person" etc :p |
| 21:19.38 | stoned | haha |
| 21:19.42 | stoned | no :) |
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| 21:19.59 | streuner | "ddosed"? |
| 21:20.13 | stoned | freebox, something else on your system is using apt-get or something |
| 21:20.17 | streuner | oh, ic :-) |
| 21:20.21 | stoned | freebox, synaptics/kpkackage etc. or something? |
| 21:20.38 | stoned | freebox, close all processes that might be using dpkg and try again |
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| 21:21.07 | stoned | freebox, as far as I recall app these applications are wrappers for dpkg-install I think |
| 21:21.14 | the_mug | anyone? ..is there anything wrong with formatting the /boot as reiserfs? |
| 21:21.20 | Deepa | stoned: know anything about hte /etc/oidentd_masq.conf :D? |
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| 21:21.22 | stoned | or something |
| 21:21.26 | stoned | I'm probably wrong |
| 21:21.34 | stoned | s/app/all |
| 21:21.42 | deadcat | how do i add another route thats NOT the default gw? |
| 21:21.54 | stoned | Deepa, I don't know, I don't use identd |
| 21:22.15 | Deepa | doh |
| 21:22.19 | stoned | deadcat, hey man, long time no see |
| 21:22.19 | Deepa | were too good to be true :p |
| 21:22.27 | stoned | deadcat, wish I knew :/ |
| 21:22.39 | deadcat | stoned: ya.... too busy lately... |
| 21:23.20 | nekromaan | hello i managed to install my ati card, when i play ut, it stocks, not of to less power, but cause of a programm or something, i recognize it on the desktop too :/ |
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| 21:26.52 | the_mug | is my question not making sense? or simply everyone is waiting on anyone else to answer? |
| 21:27.12 | streuner | deadcat: why? doesn't man route isn't installed on your system? :-) |
| 21:27.21 | dondelelcaro | the_mug: it's kind of silly to do that... just use ext2. |
| 21:27.25 | streuner | oh, poor english |
| 21:27.37 | blondie | what's wrong with ext3 :) |
| 21:27.52 | dondelelcaro | blondie: nothing, but for /boot it doesn't give you anything usefull. |
| 21:27.58 | streuner | deadcat: man route has plenty examples, what's hard then? |
| 21:28.31 | the_mug | dondelelcaro: good point. |
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| 21:30.44 | stoned | dondelelcaro, hmm, I never thought much about it, all my partitions ( /home, /boot, / ) RFS3.6 |
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| 21:31.00 | stoned | dondelelcaro, on all my boxes that is |
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| 21:31.06 | Gnea | damnit, that 2.6.17 kernel is bunk |
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| 21:31.20 | streuner | which? |
| 21:31.24 | Gnea | from sid |
| 21:31.29 | streuner | heh |
| 21:31.39 | streuner | i thought you are running sarge? |
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| 21:31.57 | Firestarter | after installing ndiswrapper I run modprobe ndiswrapper and I get not found. Is there something else that I need to do? |
| 21:32.02 | streuner | Gena: besides, nobse fixed the issue about in bpo kernels |
| 21:32.24 | Gnea | streuner: oh, right on |
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| 21:33.19 | Gnea | streuner: so for trial and error purposes, 2.6.17 from sid doesn't work too well in sarge ;) |
| 21:33.28 | streuner | Firestarter: did you read there wiki? |
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| 21:34.12 | Firestarter | streuner: where can I find the wiki? |
| 21:34.14 | streuner | Firestarter: they have a nice howto, ndiswrapper.sf.net |
| 21:34.25 | Firestarter | thanks |
| 21:34.26 | streuner | search for debian |
| 21:34.41 | streuner | !ndiswrapper |
| 21:34.42 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 21:34.50 | deadcat | streuner: i did.. but i cant get it to work... my default route is the nslu2 (10.10.32.80), but i want to access my dsl modem(192.168.0.1) through my dlink router (10.10.10.1) |
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| 21:44.50 | streuner | deadcat: well, i would ask prolly the maint of ifupdown :-) he should know that. |
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| 21:46.03 | streuner | deadcat: or just in #debian-devel *cough* |
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| 21:47.25 | DarkCow | Is it cool to compile a vanilla kernel using the same .config as the last debian-modified one and just drop it in? |
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| 21:47.37 | Gnea | linux-2.6.16 (2.6.16-15bpo2) sarge-backports; urgency=low |
| 21:47.39 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.49 | DarkCow | Gnea |
| 21:47.55 | Gnea | ? |
| 21:48.01 | DarkCow | interestingly, that's just what I was trying to fix |
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| 21:48.11 | Gnea | yeah, it's already done |
| 21:48.24 | ryan` | is there any way to automaticly install security updates in debian? |
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| 21:48.36 | DarkCow | there's a nice fix you can apply if you don't want to upgrade kernels yet: |
| 21:48.37 | DarkCow | echo 0 >/proc/sys/kernel/core_uses_pid |
| 21:48.37 | DarkCow | echo /dev/null >/proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
| 21:48.41 | Gnea | !security |
| 21:48.41 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 21:48.51 | DarkCow | I've tested it, and it works for both my server and desktop |
| 21:48.52 | streuner | *cough* cron-apt *cough*, but i wouldn't recommend it |
| 21:48.56 | Gnea | DarkCow: sweet |
| 21:49.09 | ryan` | streuner: why not? |
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| 21:49.26 | DarkCow | !testing security |
| 21:49.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 21:49.29 | streuner | ryan`: because its better for the admin to see what's going on? |
| 21:49.34 | streuner | at this time |
| 21:49.49 | ryan` | streuner, i've got a couple dozen boxes to care for, though. |
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| 21:50.11 | streuner | ic |
| 21:51.27 | Gnea | !prctl |
| 21:51.27 | dpkg | methinks prctl is the PRCTL vulnerability in many 2.6 kernels has been fixed in debian. Info here: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/18874/info Sarge users with backports: apt-get update and install the latest linux-source-2.6.16 as it has been patched bpo2. A quick fix: echo 0 >/proc/sys/kernel/core_uses_pid && echo /dev/null >/proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
| 21:51.51 | Gnea | d'oh |
| 21:52.12 | DarkCow | What bugs me is that it isn't automatically fixed on my testing server |
| 21:52.17 | DarkCow | or hasn't been |
| 21:52.25 | Gnea | !prctl |
| 21:52.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, prctl is the PRCTL vulnerability in many 2.6 kernels has been fixed in debian. Info here: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/18874/info Sarge users with backports: apt-get update and install the latest linux-source|image-2.6.16 as it has been patched (bpo2). A quick fix: echo 0 >/proc/sys/kernel/core_uses_pid && echo /dev/null >/proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
| 21:52.26 | DarkCow | I'm investicating |
| 21:52.36 | Gnea | yeah, testing and unstable come last |
| 21:52.44 | Gnea | they shouldn't be used in production environments anyway. |
| 21:53.11 | DarkCow | yeah, I seriously considered going back to stable |
| 21:53.11 | streuner | !factinfo prctl |
| 21:53.12 | dpkg | prctl -- last modified 1m 1s ago by Gnea!n=gnea@static-64-115-76-34.isp.broadviewnet.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by Gnea, 47s ago. |
| 21:53.37 | DarkCow | lemme look at what I'd have to downgrade |
| 21:53.37 | Gnea | !beer streuner |
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| 21:54.00 | lurker99 | ryan`: I have a cronjob that downloads and caches the updates for maual review. If I decide OK, they're ready to go: |
| 21:54.04 | lurker99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.04 | lurker99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.05 | Gnea | DarkCow: or you could help get unstable fixed, which would trickle back to testing |
| 21:54.24 | Daedalus_ | My machine is running etch, but I want to get the kernel from sid. Does a sid source have to be in my sources.list? apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp/sid didn't work for me |
| 21:55.11 | Gnea | streuner: should probably put something in the topic |
| 21:55.19 | DarkCow | Gnea, what would that involve? |
| 21:55.41 | Gnea | DarkCow: not sure exactly, i don't do DD stuff |
| 21:55.43 | crazy_penguin | night all! |
| 21:55.48 | Gnea | not officially anyway |
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| 21:58.00 | Daedalus_ | Anyone? |
| 21:58.02 | sussi | Daedalus_: no |
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| 21:58.21 | sussi | just download the package from the website |
| 21:58.39 | sussi | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 21:58.53 | sussi | he he |
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| 21:59.45 | sussi | Daedalus_: got it? |
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| 22:00.51 | Daedalus_ | sussi: Yeah. I figured there was a "debian way" |
| 22:01.06 | sussi | the easiest way (without pinning and all this stuff) is search the package in http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 22:01.13 | stoned | hehehe, I just score this domain debian.owns.redhat.tv |
| 22:01.15 | stoned | :D |
| 22:01.15 | Daedalus_ | sussi: It's unusual when you have to download stuff, but I |
| 22:01.19 | Daedalus_ | 'll deal |
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| 22:02.03 | sussi | only good for a single package, i used it to get fglrx working |
| 22:02.48 | sussi | aptitude will find the missing dependencies afterwards, if not download it manually |
| 22:03.12 | Daedalus_ | I'm still annoyed that a lot of maintainers pushed their 2.6.16 kernel modules into testing before the 2.6.16 kernel is there... |
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| 22:03.45 | sussi | humans... |
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| 22:04.07 | Vladi | hi, i cannot patch with suspend2 patch after patching with ck 2.6.17-ck1 can someone help |
| 22:04.13 | Daedalus_ | Mmmm. their response to a bug report was "Oh, well, 2.6.16 is coming to testing soon, so don't worry"... that was 2 months ago. |
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| 22:05.23 | Daedalus_ | Vladi: start over and reverse the order maybe? |
| 22:05.26 | tnks | Hi. I know about /forcefsck, but is there a way to do the same thing with a kernel parameter? |
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| 22:06.12 | tnks | it's just that in the event that something goes wrong with a system, I might not have time to write the forcefsck file. |
| 22:06.46 | flogiston | whats the original serverroot for apache |
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| 22:07.25 | DarkCow | flogiston, should be /var/www/ |
| 22:07.31 | Vladi | Daedalus_: yeah tried both ways |
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| 22:09.24 | flogiston | DarkCow: thnks |
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| 22:11.44 | nanoni | '/server oftc.net |
| 22:11.57 | Ronin | nanoni: almost :) |
| 22:12.12 | nanoni | what was the server called? |
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| 22:14.17 | Gnea | !oftc |
| 22:14.18 | dpkg | [oftc] the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 22:15.29 | nanoni | !whoami |
| 22:15.29 | dpkg | you're nanoni you donkey! |
| 22:15.39 | nanoni | !thx |
| 22:15.39 | dpkg | [thx] a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. THX is also a certification programme for sound reproduction associated with George Lucas. |
| 22:15.39 | cafuego | !cr |
| 22:15.39 | dpkg | well, cr is Costa Rica. Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;) |
| 22:15.58 | nanoni | !geek |
| 22:15.59 | dpkg | from memory, geek is a circus performer who bites heads off of nevyns, or a chicken who performs the circus off of byte headers, or what GenericBoy is, and most other people in this channel, if they wish to be so called, or substract the sum of all boyfriends/girlfriends you have had from the number of computers you've ever owned. if the number is positive you're a geek. |
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| 22:16.15 | nanoni | !nerd |
| 22:16.16 | dpkg | nerd is, like, a geek who lacks the social skills to find a mate. a type of candy |
| 22:16.45 | cafuego | !botabuse |
| 22:16.45 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:17.13 | azeem | nanoni: please /msg the bot |
| 22:17.14 | nanoni | cmon dpkg is my best friend.. |
| 22:17.20 | cafuego | Any croatian -> english translation volunteers about? |
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| 22:19.29 | DocOC | anyone have experience with the mach64 drm kernel module, kernel 2.6.x and xorg x server? |
| 22:20.11 | cafuego | In theory my old laptop uses those |
| 22:20.34 | DocOC | in theory? have you compiled the drm module on that laptop? |
| 22:20.39 | cafuego | but it's _so_ crusty that it can't even play fullscreen vuideo, let alone do 3d gfx |
| 22:20.48 | DocOC | ahh. |
| 22:21.08 | cafuego | DocOC: I did a year or two ago. |
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| 22:21.40 | cafuego | t recall it making much of a difference |
| 22:21.51 | DocOC | cafuego: yeah, that doesn't help that much, since it's a snapshot, and the only messages I've seen on their listserv with the same error as me are within the last couple months... |
| 22:22.00 | cafuego | it got 3d accel, but was stillc rusty and thus not fast ;-) |
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| 22:22.15 | nanoni | !fuck Bush! |
| 22:22.15 | dpkg | No! I have my standards! |
| 22:22.32 | StereoSkit | heh funky bot |
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| 22:23.43 | DocOC | anyone know if there are any specifically dri project channels on any of the irc networks? |
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| 22:24.39 | stew | DocOC: ask #xorg |
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| 22:25.01 | stew | nanoni: please /msg the bot, or play in #debian-bots |
| 22:25.17 | DocOC | ok, thanks |
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| 22:25.42 | cafuego | DocOC: the mach64 is getting on a bit though, I expect most owners of one now have something newer... |
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| 22:26.08 | nekromaan | where can i check if fglrx direct rendering is enabled? |
| 22:27.23 | errorlevel | nekromaan: I think you can type: glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering' |
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| 22:28.34 | nekromaan | errorlevel: there is no glxinfo :/ |
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| 22:29.32 | errorlevel | I don't know, then. I know that is just what I us |
| 22:29.38 | errorlevel | use, rather. |
| 22:30.04 | RainbowW | so when i run a large number (> 50) of torrents, with a large number (> 10) of files each, i start getting out of file handle errors out of my torrent client. is there a way to raise the number? FGI points to /proc/sys/fs/file-max but editing that file doesn't help, even if it gets modified when the system is still in single user mode at boot. any pointers? |
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| 22:30.55 | nekromaan | errorlevel: there is only fglrxinfo |
| 22:31.14 | stew | nekromaan: install mesa-utils |
| 22:31.17 | nekromaan | he shows the right card, but fglrx jerks |
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| 22:32.03 | nekromaan | stew: and then? |
| 22:32.15 | stew | nekromaan: then you will have glxinfo |
| 22:32.23 | nekromaan | stew: ah ok :) |
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| 22:33.40 | nanoni | 'rm /dev/b* |
| 22:33.49 | diepes | anyone here installed jffnms ? i am struggling to login the first time through the web. |
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| 22:34.25 | sorcer_ | I've reconfigured my vpn, from running tun to tap, I can connect without any problems to the vpn. Still I think I have an issue with iptables, or it might be the config I'm not sure. Main problem is that I can connect, but nothing more I dont reach outside it. http://sorcer.ucpore.net/conf all help apprichiated been on this for a while now |
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| 22:35.16 | diepes | sorcer_: why tun to tap ? |
| 22:35.37 | sorcer_ | diepes: to be able to mesure each client's traffic |
| 22:35.43 | nekromaa1 | stew: errorlevel http://rafb.net/paste/results/imZJRF63.html |
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| 22:36.30 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 22:36.31 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:37.09 | nanoni | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.10 | apt | hmm... waste is public education, or a distributed, encrypted mesh net that can perform file-sharing, IM and chat - released by nullsoft and then removed a day later |
| 22:37.11 | nekromaa1 | stew: errorlevel what does this mean? :/ |
| 22:37.21 | azeem | nanoni: please /msg the bot |
| 22:37.33 | p0t | does vlc work with enbeded media in firefox? |
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| 22:38.02 | nanoni | p0t: not as good as kmplayer + konqueror |
| 22:38.09 | diepes | sorcer_: have you tried #tcpdump -i tapX |
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| 22:38.39 | p0t | nanoni, what else can i use for firefox |
| 22:38.41 | sorcer_ | diepes: ofc, no traffic is registred on tap0/br0, still I can logon to the vpn |
| 22:39.06 | sorcer_ | diepes: if no traffic is registred, I shouldnt be able to logn, still I can it's fishy |
| 22:40.50 | sorcer_ | it can also be a kernel issue, but dont think so, pretty sure of it. |
| 22:41.01 | diepes | sorcer_: tap is a Ethernet device is the clients also using tap ? |
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| 22:41.24 | sorcer_ | diepes: yes, or I wouldnt even be able to login :) |
| 22:41.26 | nanoni | p0t: maybe totem? dont kno i dont use firefox at all.. |
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| 22:41.57 | diepes | sorcer_: do you see any packets at the client ? |
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| 22:42.18 | nanoni | apt olsr |
| 22:42.30 | sorcer_ | diepes: no I cant, can only see that it logs in, add routes n stuff |
| 22:42.48 | sorcer_ | diepes: 2 secs, I'll upload the log from the client too |
| 22:42.54 | diepes | you should see packets leaving the interface |
| 22:43.34 | sorcer_ | diepes: for some reason all packets are past onto eth0 instead of eth1 that is synonymous with my tap |
| 22:44.05 | diepes | sorcer_: look at ip on device, and at #ip route show |
| 22:44.43 | sorcer_ | diepes: http://sorcer.upcore.net/conf/client.log |
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| 22:45.48 | sorcer_ | diepes: still I should be able to ping both 192.168.8.4, 10.90.90.1. But only ip I can reach is 81.8.139.3 (sorcer.upcore.net) |
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| 22:46.02 | stew | nekromaa1: run it as the user that started X ; or /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 22:46.54 | cc_ | could somebody please assist me with the ppp connection problems that im having. i am trying to connect via a usb adsl modem, here is a paste of my ppp.log - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18047 |
| 22:47.04 | nekromaa1 | stew: i run kde as user as normal; what do you mean with /msg dpkg run stuff as root? |
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| 22:48.03 | nekromaa1 | stew: ah ok mom |
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| 22:48.30 | stew | yay its beer o'clock on friday! happy friday y'all |
| 22:48.38 | nekromaa1 | stew: direct rendering: Yes, strange |
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| 22:51.22 | Presently42 | Hi all. I doubt this is Debian specific, but I'm tired of going about this blindly. I'm trying to get caller-ID support. What do I need? |
| 22:51.41 | raf256 | Presently42: wow, that is an realy off-topic |
| 22:51.43 | sorcer_ | diepes: thinking or gave up ? =) |
| 22:52.03 | raf256 | Presently42: a proper phone and support from phone comapny? |
| 22:52.10 | Presently42 | raf256: I thought as much. If you could direct me to a better list.... |
| 22:52.23 | diepes | sorcer_: can you ping 192.168.8.128 and 192.168.8.4 |
| 22:52.25 | Presently42 | raf256: Got that. I meant for my computer using a modem. |
| 22:52.37 | raf256 | I have no idea, sorry |
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| 22:52.41 | Presently42 | raf256: And ncid, It hink. |
| 22:52.42 | raf256 | I would try google |
| 22:52.54 | sorcer_ | diepes: can ping 192.168.8.128 |
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| 22:53.06 | nanoni | apt ping |
| 22:53.07 | apt | pong |
| 22:53.15 | sorcer_ | diepes: 192.168.8.4 is dead |
| 22:53.36 | nanoni | apt ping 192.168.8.4 |
| 22:53.37 | apt | pong 192.168.8.4 |
| 22:53.48 | nanoni | sorcer_: it doesnt look like |
| 22:53.50 | diepes | sorcer_: is it a linux box ? |
| 22:54.07 | sorcer_ | diepes: it's the client, winbox |
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| 22:54.33 | Presently42 | raf256: I've done that. I'm pretty sure I have what I need. I just need some help in making every thing work. How do I get my modem to act as a telephone, essentially. Not as a medium for the Internet.? How do I set up ncid.? Things of that nature. Again, even if you could give me an channel, that would help. |
| 22:54.55 | sorcer_ | diepes: 192.168.8.128 is client, win. 192.168.8.4 is the bridge |
| 22:55.11 | raf256 | Presently42: I dont know, sorry, perhaps try ##linux (have to register with NickServ first) |
| 22:55.59 | Presently42 | raf256: Hmm. I'll have a look. Thanks any way. |
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| 22:57.14 | cc_ | could somebody please assist me with the ppp connection problems that im having. i am trying to connect via a usb adsl modem, here is a paste of my ppp.log - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18047 |
| 22:57.27 | Ronin | cc_: umm ubuntu? |
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| 22:58.03 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 22:58.03 | cc_ | Ronin: : this time around yeah... tried on debian with a similiar problem too.. just no luck here |
| 22:58.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:58.18 | nomego | 3.1r2 .. is that sarge? |
| 22:58.22 | Ronin | cc_: maybe try #ubuntu as they know their distro |
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| 22:59.11 | sorcer_ | diepes: strange that my client gets the same ip as the bridge |
| 23:00.16 | cafuego | nomego: yes |
| 23:00.23 | diepes | sorcer_: is it not 192.168.8.128 ? |
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| 23:00.51 | sorcer_ | diepes: hang on 2 secs |
| 23:01.00 | nomego | cafuego: I want to use a small distribution for multimedia and maybe other for my carpc I'm building.. would sarge be a good choice |
| 23:01.03 | fando | hey, is there any way to take a patch file and split it into one file for each file being patched? |
| 23:01.03 | nomego | ? |
| 23:01.26 | cafuego | nomego: Yep, should work fine. |
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| 23:03.23 | sorcer_ | diepes: I might have found the problem, but still I dont know how to tackle it |
| 23:03.32 | sorcer_ | diepes: let me upload all the configs, 2 secs |
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| 23:05.18 | sorcer_ | diepes: diepes take a look at the configs in http://sorcer.upcore.net/conf according to those, bridge ip should be between 192.168.8.4-192.168.8.128 as I understand it, but my client is also asigned 192.168.8.128 |
| 23:05.25 | coax | is there a tool for easy creation of .deb packages?? |
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| 23:06.20 | diepes | sorcer_: all the ip's are in one subnet, bridge grabs 192.168.8.4 and gave windows 192.168.8.128 |
| 23:07.03 | sorcer_ | diepes: so it's correct ? |
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| 23:07.29 | sorcer_ | diepes: then this looks to be an iptables problem then |
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| 23:08.50 | samuli | hei! |
| 23:09.20 | cafuego | coax: Depends, try 'checkinstall if you just want to install tarballed stuff. |
| 23:09.59 | diepes | sorcer_: iptables would be my guess, does it log any dropped packets ? the nat looks a bit suspicious. |
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| 23:10.48 | samuli | minä haluan imeä teidän paskaisia pilluja |
| 23:10.59 | diepes | sorcer_: under #-----[OpenVPN you nat from external to a ip on the vpn subnet ? |
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| 23:12.04 | sorcer_ | diepes: yes, that's how it's supposed to work ;) |
| 23:12.35 | sorcer_ | diepes: http://sorcer.upcore.net/~sorcer/network.jpg |
| 23:12.42 | samuli | paskanna sinä minun perseeseen, niin minä pasknannan sinun perseeseen sen saman paskan. tv Jarmo Tossavainen... |
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| 23:13.03 | coax | cafuego, i need to make an empty package to satisfy a dependency. |
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| 23:13.18 | cafuego | coax: 'equivs' |
| 23:14.38 | petemc | samuli: this is an english speaking channel |
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| 23:15.30 | diepes | sorcer_: /join sorcer_ |
| 23:15.35 | sorcer_ | diepes: it seams to be an iptables problem, just need to find out how to make it work |
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| 23:21.19 | dansushi | what is the name/command for the text editor that is installed on debian defaultly, (w/o gnome, just the smallest install) |
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| 23:21.37 | azeem | dansushi: nano |
| 23:21.38 | streuner | nano |
| 23:21.39 | petemc | vi, nano |
| 23:21.40 | azeem | and maybe vi |
| 23:21.44 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:21.51 | petemc | :) |
| 23:21.53 | dansushi | thanks |
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| 23:25.04 | streuner | pretty silent today for a friday->saturday |
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| 23:25.32 | nanoni | apt f2f |
| 23:25.39 | nanoni | !f2f |
| 23:25.44 | nanoni | !p2p |
| 23:25.44 | dpkg | well, p2p is peer to peer. Power to the People |
| 23:25.52 | nanoni | apt p2p |
| 23:25.53 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, p2p is peer to peer. Power to the People |
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| 23:25.57 | azeem | nanoni: *please* /msg the bots |
| 23:26.38 | nanoni | azeem: *please* /msg me to /msg the bots :) |
| 23:26.41 | abrotman | streuner: we can invite all of #ubuntu here if that helps ... |
| 23:26.47 | abrotman | !tell nanoni about msg the bots |
| 23:27.43 | Blissex | abrotman: Ubuntu/Debian kiss up? |
| 23:27.50 | nomego | is there some way to upgrade sarge to etch? |
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| 23:28.00 | abrotman | !tell nomego about sarge->etch |
| 23:28.01 | nanoni | !tell abrotman to get alive |
| 23:28.06 | abrotman | nice |
| 23:28.25 | streuner | abrotman: see, that's what i meant too :-) |
| 23:28.26 | petemc | abrotman isnt alive?! |
| 23:28.30 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
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| 23:28.42 | petemc | a dell hating bot |
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| 23:29.20 | nomego | thanks |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | petemc: i wouldn't hate them if they didn't hate their customers :) |
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| 23:29.50 | streuner | heh |
| 23:30.00 | petemc | apparently they're improving their customer service.. |
| 23:30.09 | streuner | in india? ;-) |
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| 23:30.20 | petemc | they've been ok at replacing parts for me, which is all i generally need |
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| 23:30.50 | streuner | wouldn't that do some service company for them? |
| 23:30.58 | nanoni | !darknet |
| 23:31.03 | nanoni | apt darknet |
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| 23:31.27 | kazukisan | what kernel version does testing use ? |
| 23:31.27 | streuner | nanoni: are some of these people who love to be kicked? |
| 23:31.36 | abrotman | nanoni: for real .. please msg the bots or use #debian-bots |
| 23:31.53 | abrotman | petemc: see .. the parts shouldn't need replacing that often |
| 23:31.59 | abrotman | kazukisan: 2.6.15 i believe |
| 23:32.11 | nanoni | streuner: de temps en temps je remps |
| 23:32.14 | streuner | kazukisan: do you mean the installer? |
| 23:32.21 | Tallu | Hey, can anyone point me to a page that deals with laptops compatible with debian.. debating between acer and fujitsu siemens myself |
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| 23:32.25 | kazukisan | and what xorg version |
| 23:32.34 | kazukisan | 7.0 ? |
| 23:32.36 | petemc | abrotman: tbf, i didnt mention the required freqency.. |
| 23:32.36 | abrotman | yep |
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| 23:33.10 | abrotman | petemc: i know .. that was my addition .. my dad has had his mobo replaced three times on a four year old notebook(admittedly .. he should really be using a toughbook) |
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| 23:33.20 | streuner | kazukisan: comparing serveral distros and just look what version they have isn't useful |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | petemc: and that's just his laptop .. his desktop didn't fare so well either |
| 23:33.34 | abrotman | !tell Tallu about laptop |
| 23:33.43 | petemc | abrotman: yeah, we've already established you're at the other end of the bell curve :) |
| 23:33.50 | abrotman | petemc: not me .. my dad :) |
| 23:33.54 | Tallu | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:33.55 | amphi | Tallu: fujitsu siemens IMHO |
| 23:34.05 | petemc | vicariously |
| 23:34.06 | abrotman | petemc: i was fine with them about five years ago .. but it's been getting "gateway-ish" more recently |
| 23:34.50 | Tallu | amphi: okay :) i'll look them up on the pages abrotman referred me to and then probably go for the fujitsu :) |
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| 23:35.23 | abrotman | Tallu: don't forget to also check CR or some other rag that rates reliability |
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| 23:35.45 | amphi | Tallu: that's based on little more than ISTR that f-s laptops have a pointing stick in the keyboard; I hate the pads |
| 23:35.53 | kazukisan | streuner, i cant figure out what distro to use, ive tried 64 bit versions of gentoo fedora, ubuntu, lfs 32bit versions of debian,gentoo,ubuntu and i want a 64 version of debian based os that doesnt use jailroot to run 32 bit applications but not having any luck so it looks like im back to choosing between 32 bit ubuntu or debian |
| 23:36.01 | amphi | Tallu: I have heard people speak well of f-s laptops though |
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| 23:36.30 | abrotman | kazukisan: afaik .. the only version of linux that doesn't use chroot for 32bit apps is suse |
| 23:36.45 | kazukisan | abrotman, gentoo doesnt and fedora doesnt |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | kazukisan: IOW .. ask #suse for more info |
| 23:36.53 | abrotman | kazukisan: those aren't suse |
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| 23:37.34 | kazukisan | abrotman, i dont like suse's package system |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | kazukisan: it's the same as fedoras |
| 23:37.42 | streuner | kazukisan: why is that important for you? |
| 23:37.54 | kazukisan | abrotman, did i say i liked fedora |
| 23:37.57 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:38.14 | abrotman | kazukisan: well .. it does provide what you're looking for |
| 23:38.31 | Tallu | amphi: yeah i've had a lot of experience with f-s in my work but its always only been with windows.. so i'm more pro f-s myself, but i've also heard nice stuff about acers :) havent used one myself though |
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| 23:38.52 | kazukisan | abrotman, it looks like im stuck with 32 bit cause debian base is what i like but ubuntu or debian is what i need to figure out.. |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | kazukisan: depends on your needs beyond that .. and your capability to fix a dpkg fubar |
| 23:39.32 | m0dY | dpkg: etch amd64 |
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| 23:39.44 | m0dY | dpkg: etch |
| 23:39.44 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 23:39.48 | m0dY | dpkg: amd64 |
| 23:39.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | m0dY: please msg the damn bot |
| 23:40.09 | amphi | Tallu: I've never used an acer either |
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| 23:40.39 | kazukisan | abrotman, which one is more light weight debian or ubuntu |
| 23:40.49 | nanoni | '/msg dpkg i should msg u, as abrotman said.. |
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| 23:41.02 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot |
| 23:41.29 | abrotman | kazukisan: there isn't really a more lightweight .. at this point .. i'd say to try them both |
| 23:41.30 | nanoni | simonrvn: what do u mean by b o t? |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 23:41.38 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:41.39 | simonrvn | irc bot |
| 23:41.45 | simonrvn | !bot |
| 23:41.45 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | bah .. damn troll |
| 23:42.11 | sng | abrotman: That's not a nice thing to say about me. |
| 23:42.17 | simonrvn | i just did my first successful BIOS update |
| 23:42.23 | m0dY | dpkg: how work you? |
| 23:42.24 | mattwestm | when installing testing, can I choose not to install a bootloader? |
| 23:42.27 | abrotman | sng: maybe if you'd shave your back |
| 23:42.28 | m0dY | dpkg: how work you |
| 23:42.28 | abrotman | m0dY: STOP |
| 23:42.39 | nanoni | m0dY: lets talk nonsense |
| 23:42.54 | m0dY | abrotman: are you the bot-sitter ? |
| 23:42.56 | m0dY | lol |
| 23:43.00 | nanoni | haha |
| 23:43.02 | abrotman | m0dY: please don't abuse the bot |
| 23:43.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.07 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@84-73-236-124.dclient.hispeed.ch] by azeem |
| 23:43.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 23:43.08 | simonrvn | m0dY: go play elsewhere. your games tire us |
| 23:43.13 | abrotman | azeem: get them both! |
| 23:43.22 | simonrvn | nanoni: same for you |
| 23:43.29 | azeem | bloody script |
| 23:43.34 | m0dY | i aint playin |
| 23:43.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.35 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@84-73-236-124.dclient.hispeed.ch] by azeem |
| 23:43.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 23:43.43 | m0dY | u stop putin stupid comments |
| 23:43.44 | nanoni | danke |
| 23:43.58 | simonrvn | hehehe that's funny |
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| 23:44.14 | azeem | I wanted to +q him 12 minutes ago, but wasn't identified |
| 23:44.14 | nanoni | simonrvn: what? |
| 23:44.27 | azeem | so now I wanted top change the /topic, and auto-bleh goes mad |
| 23:44.29 | simonrvn | i'll say this, i'll let the record speak for itself in that matter |
| 23:44.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 23:44.34 | streuner | azeem: but chanserv gave you op |
| 23:44.40 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC June 4th - /msg dpkg oftc move | STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 23:44.45 | simonrvn | the script deops him |
| 23:44.46 | streuner | hm |
| 23:44.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 23:44.57 | abrotman | what did he change? |
| 23:45.04 | streuner | nothing? |
| 23:45.07 | azeem | 01:36 -!- Irssi: T-D: Removed: /msg dpkg gluck compromise |
| 23:45.08 | dondelelcaro | azeem: yeah, auto_bleh tries really hard to do what you wanted done |
| 23:45.11 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:45.28 | dondelelcaro | it has a time out though |
| 23:45.36 | azeem | dondelelcaro: well, I was surprised it deopped me instantly when I opped myself manually |
| 23:45.36 | nanoni | / |
| 23:45.36 | streuner | abrotman: the compromise stuff is out |
| 23:45.38 | petemc | 01:36? |
| 23:45.38 | simonrvn | oh, another MNN update |
| 23:45.39 | azeem | but well |
| 23:45.47 | dondelelcaro | azeem: oh... it isn't supposed to do that |
| 23:45.54 | azeem | nanoni, m0dY: please don't abuse the bots |
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| 23:46.04 | streuner | same IP |
| 23:46.25 | nanoni | azeem: ok we understood.. u must be a bot |
| 23:46.27 | streuner | same ISP? |
| 23:46.35 | simonrvn | of course |
| 23:47.08 | dondelelcaro | azeem: actually, it will, but only if you weren't opped when you issued the command... it can't tell if you were opped because you asked, or if chanserv finally woke up |
| 23:47.17 | azeem | yeah, right |
| 23:47.32 | azeem | I thought it might try to get op again at some point though |
| 23:47.48 | dondelelcaro | nah, it only does it once... |
| 23:47.54 | azeem | ok |
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| 23:48.26 | nanoni | apt dpkg |
| 23:48.28 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 23:48.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 23:48.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@84-73-236-124.dclient.hispeed.ch] by azeem |
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| 23:48.47 | azeem | nanoni: you have been quieted for 10 more minutes due to bot abuse |
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| 23:49.22 | streuner | hm, it seems to work now |
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| 23:49.43 | azeem | streuner: yes, as I said, I wasn't identified with nickserv when I first issued it |
| 23:49.55 | azeem | and then it got confused when I opped myself manually to change the topic |
| 23:50.01 | streuner | and chanserv gives you op anyway? |
| 23:50.03 | streuner | strange |
| 23:50.10 | azeem | it didn't |
| 23:50.12 | azeem | oh well |
| 23:50.50 | streuner | nm, iam pretty tired... |
| 23:51.17 | azeem | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/9060 |
| 23:54.01 | mattwestm | how can I install without a bootloader? |
| 23:54.17 | azeem | mattwestm: you don't want a bootloader? |
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| 23:54.34 | mattwestm | azeem: I already have one, I don't want to overwrite it |
| 23:54.48 | azeem | mattwestm: you can decline to have GRUB installed in the installer |
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| 23:55.21 | mattwestm | this is Etch netinstall, is it available on that? |
| 23:55.31 | azeem | I assume so |
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| 23:59.17 | abrotman | put it back! |
