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| 00:01.19 | devicenull | I love apt. |
| 00:01.39 | kingsley | |ryan|: Are you trying to boot from a USB device? |
| 00:01.43 | |ryan| | no |
| 00:01.54 | |ryan| | i have a compact flash disk |
| 00:02.04 | |ryan| | that i am working on via a usb adapter |
| 00:02.27 | |ryan| | it is /dev/sda now. |
| 00:02.33 | |ryan| | will be /dev/hdb when installed |
| 00:02.45 | |ryan| | and I need to get a bootloader on the damn thing |
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| 00:03.14 | rhys | still trying for this, but is there a way to set just a single console a different DISPLAY variable? |
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| 00:07.28 | kingsley | rhys: export DISPLAY=<blah> |
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| 00:07.52 | rhys | kingsley, its a bit more complicated than that |
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| 00:08.15 | rhys | i think ive figured out how to do it |
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| 00:08.32 | rhys | between exporting X display and Synergy |
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| 00:14.02 | devicenull | killed yourself? |
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| 00:17.29 | gnuzi | test |
| 00:17.35 | gnuzi | 123 test |
| 00:17.56 | gnuzi | xchat text mode... |
| 00:18.10 | gnuzi | i cant see anythins |
| 00:18.12 | gnuzi | g* |
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| 00:19.39 | factor | how can I use netcat to monitor my irc connection on my localhost? |
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| 00:20.15 | jamescarr | be forwarned.... dont use dell inspiron 1100 laptops |
| 00:20.19 | jamescarr | they're trash |
| 00:21.26 | jamescarr | overheats all the time, and sometimes the system gets REALLY slow for no particular reason |
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| 00:25.05 | kingsley | factor: I've never checked if netcat can share a TCP/IP port, but your IRC client may be able to log traffic, which you could monitor with "tail -f <log file>". |
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| 00:25.13 | rhys | jamescarr, dont use "dell" is a well known thing. |
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| 00:25.27 | rhys | it doesnt have to be specific. "dell" is enough |
| 00:25.29 | jamescarr | rhys, so I am begining to notice |
| 00:25.50 | jamescarr | My friend just bought a new dell, a week later when I visited, he begged me to "fix" his computer |
| 00:25.59 | factor | I want to monitor my DCC connection and resolve the irclib.py error |
| 00:26.21 | factor | so I was wondering if netcat can watch the dcc connection and save the data to a file. |
| 00:26.25 | rhys | save for their XPS systems. those misewell be a custom made system. but then, why pay them to do it, when you can buy the same parts for cheaper? |
| 00:26.32 | jamescarr | claimed it deletes all the photos in my pictures randomly, IE never worked (even as soon as they bought it), and it's slow as snot besides the fact it's supposed to be top of the line |
| 00:26.44 | jamescarr | my parents have the same problem with their new dell too |
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| 00:27.09 | jamescarr | My next laptop is a sony vaio |
| 00:27.10 | jamescarr | :) |
| 00:27.55 | nevyn | I'm going to get a tablet. |
| 00:27.59 | rhys | jamescarr, also, dont mention "nvidia" or "ati" or "opera". |
| 00:28.11 | jamescarr | what's wrong with nvidia? |
| 00:28.13 | nevyn | intel 915 for the win |
| 00:28.32 | jamescarr | I have an nvidia gfx card and its great |
| 00:28.54 | kingsley | factor: tcpdump can monitor net traffic, but I seem to recall that newer and better utilities exist. |
| 00:29.09 | jamescarr | ha ... that's so old school :) |
| 00:29.11 | rhys | jamescarr, just dont ask |
| 00:29.27 | jamescarr | tcpdump and then just sit their and monitor the traffic with your bare eyes |
| 00:29.36 | factor | kingsley: I used sniffit, but it caught the dcc but was over before I got ot look at the data. |
| 00:29.44 | kbrooks | jamescarr: #nvidia or #ati can help best |
| 00:30.02 | kingsley | factor: tcpdump can log to a file. |
| 00:30.06 | factor | k |
| 00:30.26 | jamescarr | kbrooks, ahem |
| 00:30.52 | jamescarr | kbrooks, don't make comments about a conversation you aren't following. You'll look nothing more than stupid :) |
| 00:31.06 | kbrooks | jamescarr: i'm adding on |
| 00:31.47 | jamescarr | kbrooks, not really ... the only reference I had to nvidia was in response to rhys comment, in which I just said "What's wrong with nvidia? I have a nvidia gfx card and it's great" |
| 00:31.48 | jamescarr | :) |
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| 00:32.04 | jamescarr | I suppose I should go and repeat that in those channels, as per your suggestion, lol |
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| 00:35.49 | factor | kingsley:yeah tcpdump is getting some good info. |
| 00:36.48 | w00t- | yeah im drunk beer |
| 00:37.40 | kbrooks | za |
| 00:37.56 | kbrooks | aaaa |
| 00:38.22 | kbrooks | the output of tcpdump is junk to me, heh |
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| 00:41.33 | kbrooks | fuck you tcpdump |
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| 00:43.14 | rhys | i did that. :D friend of mine always typed "fuck" into bash when he got pissed. so i did an alais to echo "Bend over for me then baby. ; - ) " he gave me a call right then. |
| 00:43.18 | rhys | i thought it was funny as hell |
| 00:44.05 | w00t- | any1 know how to get a dick like some1 log to my ssh |
| 00:44.09 | w00t- | is like a .gif |
| 00:44.17 | kbrooks | ?' |
| 00:44.25 | kse | Hi everyone! |
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| 00:44.30 | rhys | w00t is the drunkage w00t. |
| 00:45.18 | kse | I've a little doubt. I need a process to be running in background and to log it output to a file, and then put it on a init script |
| 00:45.46 | kse | I did it like this: program > log & |
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| 00:46.03 | kse | but I see it doesn't do what I need |
| 00:46.13 | kse | do you know how to do it in other way ? |
| 00:46.17 | pab | Anyone know where I might find libpcre3-dev 6.4-2? |
| 00:47.19 | kse | pab, have you tried apt-get.org ? |
| 00:47.36 | pab | kse: Ya...all old |
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| 00:51.38 | kse | anyone do have an idea how could I solve my problem? |
| 00:52.19 | devicenull | sweet |
| 00:52.24 | devicenull | grub set itself up to boot xp |
| 00:53.03 | freeone3000 | I'm having a bit of trouble with X - when I use 'startx' from teh command line as my user, the entire screen goes white. I'm on sid (unstable) and have just updated whatever, including the kernel. However, it booted fine last time. The only thing that 'happened' was that the computer wasn't given a chance to shutdown properly (power failure). What should I do to solve this problem? |
| 00:54.04 | kse | freeone3000: using property drivers for X ? |
| 00:54.27 | devicenull | and X almost set itself up right.. when I use ctrl alt + , the monitor stays at 640x480, but the resolution incrases |
| 00:54.42 | freeone3000 | kse: Well, I'm using NVIDIA propriatary drivers. |
| 00:55.10 | freeone3000 | kse: Free ones don't have opengl 2.0 |
| 00:55.10 | kse | so, change them to "nv" on xorg.conf |
| 00:55.20 | freeone3000 | kse: Er, let me check that real quick. |
| 00:55.49 | kse | it's likely to be using an old X driver for you actual kernel |
| 00:55.57 | kse | freeone3000: |
| 00:56.29 | freeone3000 | kse: Yeah, that's possibly it. I'munna try starting x. |
| 00:56.54 | kse | good luck |
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| 00:57.19 | freeone3000 | kse: Thank you so very much, that solved it! |
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| 00:58.21 | kse | no problem partner |
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| 01:04.43 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just installed Debian on my server. After upgrading to kernel 2.6.16-2-686, my network card is no longer capable of obtaining an IP. It is found though |
| 01:05.06 | Jemt | What? It seems that eth1 has switched places with eth0 .. |
| 01:05.07 | Jemt | Weird |
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| 01:08.22 | p0t | whats the proper way to restart proftp? |
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| 01:08.47 | rhys | p0t, does it come with an rc script? |
| 01:09.06 | p0t | rhys, ohh i dont know. |
| 01:09.08 | rhys | /etc/init.d/rc.proftp restart |
| 01:09.10 | rhys | ? |
| 01:09.14 | p0t | let me check |
| 01:09.31 | rhys | wait. debian is init.d not rc.d |
| 01:09.33 | rhys | right? |
| 01:10.30 | p0t | rhys, yea that was it |
| 01:10.43 | rhys | p0t, i guessed. :D |
| 01:11.02 | p0t | err!! |
| 01:11.02 | p0t | im gonna kill myself |
| 01:11.16 | p0t | damn proftp keeps returning "permission denied" when i try to upload |
| 01:11.18 | rhys | ...why? |
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| 01:11.39 | p0t | umask is at 775 |
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| 01:11.52 | jake | What kernel module gives the device file /dev/input/mice? |
| 01:11.55 | rhys | dont most ove those have a thing in the config "write enabled" to enable uploads at all? |
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| 01:13.49 | p0t | thats it |
| 01:15.44 | liable | yay, fixed kernel for sarge |
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| 01:18.16 | jake | nm, helped myself. |
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| 01:22.32 | xored | postfix/smtpd[18650]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
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| 01:23.59 | cafuego | well then, that seems fairly easy to check |
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| 01:24.46 | morggin | could anyone point me to a place that tells me how to install or setup an digest-md5 |
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| 01:28.11 | rhys | got synergy working! |
| 01:28.11 | rhys | :D |
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| 01:36.28 | yanger | ls |
| 01:36.31 | yanger | er.. oops |
| 01:38.59 | yanger | i attempted to install Debian via dfs - followed the directions on john g's site, and I'm at the very end part where I must reboot the PC ;\ .. when i do, grub fails with an error 15: file not found, but if i manually enter the commands in ( - root (hd0,0); kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.16.6.4 root=/dev/hda1 ro; boot ) it works... am i missing something? |
| 01:39.19 | [TACO] | yes |
| 01:39.32 | [TACO] | probably need that set in the grub list |
| 01:39.37 | [TACO] | what is it... |
| 01:39.44 | [TACO] | /boot/grub/main.lst |
| 01:40.12 | yanger | i looked at the main.lst, it has everything I entered, but also added "savedefault" |
| 01:40.21 | yanger | that's all.. exactly the same |
| 01:40.40 | yanger | under grub at bootup, savedefault doesn't seem to work I think... |
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| 01:42.37 | [TACO] | thats strange |
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| 01:45.08 | yanger | i'm using grub 0.97 if that helps |
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| 01:46.55 | yanger | gonna reboot an see whathappens.. brb |
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| 01:50.14 | r3m | hm dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system won't work |
| 01:50.21 | r3m | that reprompt me that'\s it |
| 01:51.10 | rhys | r3m , you can try xf86config |
| 01:51.12 | rhys | i think thats it |
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| 01:52.42 | Thanatermesis | if one person has 2 audio cards but the system (udev) set by default the card of not use.... how to set the 1ยบ card by default ? |
| 01:52.44 | [TACO] | r3m: using xorg7 by any chance? |
| 01:54.15 | r3m | no xfree |
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| 01:54.29 | yanger | ah, somehow it works now :) .. |
| 01:54.45 | dvs | Thanatermesis, put the kernel module for the audio card in /etc/modules in the order you want it |
| 01:56.17 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 01:56.30 | Thanatermesis | ok, thx |
| 01:56.46 | dvs | you're welcome |
| 01:57.15 | yanger | is there a way to autostart "ifup eth0" or "ifconfig eth0 up"? at startup? |
| 01:57.28 | dvs | yanger, yes "auto eth0" |
| 01:57.50 | jamescarr | what up dudes and dudesses!? |
| 01:57.53 | r3m | I use the knoppix live-cd yesterday and wine was so easy to configure, i set it up graphically in two minutes , what is this gui application i would like to apt-get it |
| 01:57.56 | yanger | dvs auto? |
| 01:57.57 | liable | cloneios: piss off |
| 01:58.40 | dvs | yanger, yes, you put that in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 01:59.21 | yanger | ah... just googled auto eth0 and found what u just said :P |
| 01:59.30 | dvs | !beer me |
| 01:59.34 | yanger | thanks |
| 01:59.48 | dvs | you're welcome |
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| 02:00.07 | yanger | !beer dvs |
| 02:00.28 | jamescarr | attack me |
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| 02:00.50 | dvs | !smite jamescarr |
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| 02:00.58 | r3m | how to automount windows partition at startup (i have a 2.6 kernel) |
| 02:01.01 | jamescarr | frogs! |
| 02:01.08 | jamescarr | oh noes!! |
| 02:01.13 | dvs | r3m: put the auto option in /etc/fstab |
| 02:02.41 | jamescarr | uh oh... there's a miami vice movie coming out :( |
| 02:02.48 | jamescarr | with colin farrel and Jamie foxx |
| 02:02.53 | r3m | dvs ok but in type field i put fat32? vfat? dos ? |
| 02:03.13 | r3m | its win98 |
| 02:03.30 | dvs | r3m, no, the next field like "defaults" or "ro". Just add a ",auto" to the end of what's already there |
| 02:03.50 | dvs | r3m, oh, this is a new entry? |
| 02:04.02 | r3m | yes i put vfat |
| 02:04.14 | r3m | and what user mean for cdrom and floppy |
| 02:04.20 | r3m | in option column |
| 02:04.24 | cloneios | . |
| 02:04.34 | abrotman | cloneios: go away |
| 02:05.24 | dvs | r3m, you use "vfat" as the file system type |
| 02:05.27 | JViz | cloneios: we don't want to read about what you bought at kea today |
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| 02:06.12 | abrotman | !Ops cloneios spamming the channel |
| 02:06.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: abrotman complains about: cloneios spamming the channel |
| 02:06.23 | buu | abrotman: That's a hell of an oplist |
| 02:06.26 | yanger | i think i got it now ;) thanks! |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | buu: we need more :) |
| 02:06.37 | buu | abrotman: Yeah. I VOLUNTEER |
| 02:06.38 | dvs | yanger, you're welcome |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:06.59 | adrakoa | abrotman, not only this channel |
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| 02:07.12 | trygg | Hm, nfs-kernel-source still needs samba to share files over network? |
| 02:07.13 | liable | pity, 80% never do anything |
| 02:07.25 | dvs | liable, they just like the status |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | nalioth: could you please kline cloneios |
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| 02:08.01 | dvs | I haven't seen TML in a long time |
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| 02:08.09 | abrotman | i haven't seen many of those people in a long time |
| 02:08.11 | dvs | !seen TML |
| 02:08.11 | dpkg | tml <i=joey@unaffiliated/tml> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 51d 9h 31m 22s ago, saying: 'The source is sort of twisty...'. |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | and that doesn't specify which #debian |
| 02:08.50 | Coweater | the mask gives it away doesn't it? |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | it does? |
| 02:09.23 | abrotman | oh .. that one yes |
| 02:10.00 | Coweater | oh, you meant the command in general? |
| 02:10.02 | rhys | wo |
| 02:10.02 | rhys | w |
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| 02:10.10 | rhys | 100 mhz blows |
| 02:10.22 | rhys | so do 8 bit graphics |
| 02:10.31 | Jemt | Can someone help me get 'dhcp' (DHCP server) working ? I get this error when restarting the service : 'Warning: failed to kill 3405: No such process' and this: 'Starting DHCP server: dhcpd failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics.'. /var/log/syslog contains : 'dhcpd: Address range 192.168.0.50 to 192.168.0.254 not on net 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0!' and 'localhost dhcpd: exiting.' |
| 02:10.31 | Coweater | try 50 |
| 02:10.37 | dvs | 256 colors rocks! |
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| 02:11.33 | rhys | ok |
| 02:11.34 | Coweater | Jemt: you've got a different range configured than the net you're one, i think you want 192.168.1.50 to 192.168.1.254 |
| 02:11.35 | dvs | Jemt, it looks like the dhcp network is 192.168.0.0/24 and you're on 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 02:11.37 | rhys | gonna see if this can do better |
| 02:11.38 | liable | Jemt: you cant see the problem there? |
| 02:11.55 | Jemt | Yes, but I did change it. |
| 02:12.06 | Jemt | Oh, wait. Gah, I specified 192.168.01.1 :) |
| 02:12.11 | Jemt | Let me just try fixing that first :) |
| 02:12.12 | dvs | Jemt, you changed what? |
| 02:12.20 | dvs | Jemt: ;-) |
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| 02:13.13 | abrotman | !afo |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 02:13.20 | dvs | uh oh |
| 02:14.09 | rhys | what fucking good is a monitor that will display 24bit 1280x1024 if the only video card it works with can only put out 8bit color? |
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| 02:18.44 | liable | must be a great site if you need to spam it.. |
| 02:19.12 | JViz | don't call us, we'll call you... |
| 02:19.18 | amphi | liable: it's another reject from the troll factory |
| 02:19.24 | joeyjones | liable: progressive nazism |
| 02:20.51 | whm | can somebody tell me where is the "nfsroot" option when config kernel compiling? |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | #kernel ? |
| 02:21.56 | De_Mon | :set |
| 02:22.11 | whm | none reply my question there :( |
| 02:22.13 | cloneios | ATTENTION: http://wikia.blogspot.com/ |
| 02:22.59 | p0t | haha this is funny |
| 02:23.03 | p0t | i cant su |
| 02:23.05 | p0t | setgid: Operation not permitted |
| 02:23.08 | p0t | thats retarded |
| 02:23.14 | p0t | i broke something |
| 02:23.28 | Coweater | login |
| 02:24.12 | abrotman | nalioth: thank you |
| 02:24.52 | p0t | Coweater, nope |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | dvs: don't you guys have anything better to do in toronto .. like shovel snow ? |
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| 02:26.08 | aaronlin | Can someone point me to a server/channel for support for web design? |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | #web ? |
| 02:28.05 | dvs | abrotman, I wish on a day like today |
| 02:28.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:28.39 | dvs | 90-something is almost unheard of ;-) |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | eh .. they're reintroducing .. Tab |
| 02:29.12 | JViz | lol |
| 02:29.57 | dvs | in the pink cans? |
| 02:30.10 | liable | cause of all the fat americans? |
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| 02:30.42 | De_Mon | #html? #flash #java |
| 02:30.50 | De_Mon | #css? |
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| 02:32.07 | p0t | how am i supposed to watch dvix encoded movies? |
| 02:32.12 | abrotman | liable: i guess |
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| 02:32.27 | liable | p0t: get w32codecs |
| 02:32.43 | farous | which group i have to be in to execute pmount ? |
| 02:33.01 | De_Mon | I thought ffdshow was for divx/xvid |
| 02:33.11 | p0t | liable, from where? |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | !tell p0t about w32codecs |
| 02:33.31 | rhys | anyone know if component video can be converted to dsub? |
| 02:33.32 | p0t | liable, i did a "chown user /" |
| 02:33.45 | p0t | and now i cant su into root |
| 02:33.47 | rhys | my HPPA box is going in the junk. :\ but the 19 inch monitor is nice |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | maybe you should give it to someone ? |
| 02:34.24 | abrotman | p0t: that's what we call "Really Fucking Bad" tm |
| 02:34.37 | rhys | abrotman, it was given to me |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | so give it to someone else |
| 02:34.49 | rhys | roffle. |
| 02:34.51 | rhys | no |
| 02:34.53 | rhys | its shit |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | to you .. |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | give it to the ACM at your local Uni |
| 02:35.10 | rhys | full SCSI, but 100mhz processor kills it |
| 02:35.10 | rhys | it cant do much of anything |
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| 02:35.26 | abrotman | rhys: so what .. someone else might have a use for it |
| 02:35.26 | rhys | ACM? |
| 02:35.28 | abrotman | !acm |
| 02:35.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, acm is a multi-player aerial combat simulation. |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:35.43 | liable | p0t: w32codecs are in marillats repo |
| 02:35.45 | abrotman | !acm is also Association for Computing Machinery (http://www.acm.org/) |
| 02:35.45 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 02:36.07 | abrotman | rhys: if you were near me .. i'd collect it and do it for you :) |
| 02:36.11 | p0t | liable, thanks... but any idea how i can recover root? |
| 02:36.21 | rhys | abrotman, the monitor im going to use. |
| 02:36.26 | p0t | technically i have a user that turned into root |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | rhys: so what .. give hte machine to someone |
| 02:36.51 | rhys | atm its using 3 BNC connector coaxial....gonna see if i can put that to Dsub |
| 02:36.54 | liable | p0t: boot into single user, and unchown what you did |
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| 02:37.06 | abrotman | rhys: here's an idea .. look at http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ ... see if maybe they can find someone to get it form you |
| 02:37.29 | rhys | abrotman, ..true. |
| 02:37.38 | p0t | liable, it boots straight into the wm |
| 02:38.07 | p0t | unchown like "chown root /" |
| 02:38.10 | p0t | ? |
| 02:38.16 | liable | p0t: /msg dpkf ifrp (the first bit) |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | liable: no .. he's fucked |
| 02:38.52 | liable | abrotman: probably |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | !unix lessons |
| 02:39.15 | dpkg | well, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 02:39.17 | p0t | abrotman, theres no way to come back from that? |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | #1 .. very important! |
| 02:39.34 | p0t | you should have said that a week ago |
| 02:39.45 | abrotman | if you would have asked .. i would have told you :) |
| 02:39.53 | bws42 | man that's rough |
| 02:40.06 | p0t | well its a new install |
| 02:40.09 | p0t | but damn |
| 02:40.13 | p0t | i had shit setup already |
| 02:40.20 | p0t | maybe i can just keep the user i have |
| 02:40.26 | p0t | it does everything anyway |
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| 02:42.01 | abrotman | roodmerk: your nick is broken |
| 02:42.06 | stoned | hi |
| 02:42.12 | dvs | stoned, you mean "high" |
| 02:42.14 | roodmerk | is it? |
| 02:42.39 | roodmerk | looks fine to moi |
| 02:42.46 | Ichigo | Hi guys. I have a file called foo.zip and I want to burn it into a cd using cdrecord. how can I do it ? |
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| 02:43.13 | roodmerk | Ichigo: create an iso (mkisofs) when burn the iso to cd. |
| 02:43.18 | roodmerk | s/when/then/ |
| 02:43.38 | LinuxNIT | where can i get a newer version of this? .> xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 02:43.51 | pearl | LinuxNIT: at google? :) |
| 02:44.03 | Ichigo | mkisofs -o test.iso -Jrv -V mydisk /home/me/foo.zip |
| 02:44.17 | LinuxNIT | well i found xorg site but it lists drivers as xf86-vid.... |
| 02:44.19 | roodmerk | LinuxNIT: If you mean without destroying your debian system; backport the one from testing or unstable. |
| 02:44.22 | LinuxNIT | is that the right one? |
| 02:44.29 | LinuxNIT | im on testing |
| 02:44.35 | roodmerk | unstable then |
| 02:44.38 | roodmerk | backport |
| 02:44.38 | LinuxNIT | unstable showed the same one |
| 02:44.44 | pearl | Ichigo: what does this make? a iso image of your harddisk? backup? |
| 02:44.46 | pearl | :D |
| 02:44.50 | roodmerk | then I recommend patience |
| 02:44.53 | LinuxNIT | changed the sources list to sid |
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| 02:45.28 | LinuxNIT | :-/ |
| 02:45.30 | Ichigo | eheh |
| 02:45.37 | Werdna | Hi guys, anybody know if there's an easy way to find the culprit directories in using up disk space? |
| 02:45.41 | Ichigo | just to copy some files I want |
| 02:45.43 | stoned | I can't startx anymore! ' |
| 02:45.50 | abrotman | Werdna: du |
| 02:45.54 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3159 <-- here is the output of my log file |
| 02:46.04 | stoned | something about some Security Policy, and some font paths |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | stoned: still ? |
| 02:46.09 | stoned | could anyone kindly help me decipher |
| 02:46.16 | stoned | abrotman: its always one thing or another |
| 02:46.25 | Ichigo | how do I choose just 1 file ? I thought /home/me/foo.zip will add the file to the iso image |
| 02:46.26 | Werdna | abrotman, using that, but it just floods my terminal with a whole bunch of directories. Is there an easy way to sort them, or to exclude the subdirectories? |
| 02:46.37 | stoned | abrotman: but not, just 4 minutes ago I was in X, went to console, now X won't start |
| 02:46.44 | stoned | s/not/no |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | Werdna: cd / ; ls | xargs du -sk |
| 02:47.06 | SerajewelKS | deos any ext have the notion of a copy-on-write inode link, similar to sparse files? e.g. a cow link turns the original node into a source node, and if an identical cluster in the source or target is modified it will allocate and copy the data to the target first? |
| 02:47.11 | SerajewelKS | does* |
| 02:47.18 | liable | stoned: check the link in /topic, i think thats the x11-common problem |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | Werdna: or any directory for that matter .. / was just an example |
| 02:47.28 | Werdna | yeah, I figured that out |
| 02:47.33 | Werdna | -h isn't working, though. |
| 02:47.45 | stoned | no |
| 02:47.57 | aredhel | Werdna, I use: du|sort -n |tail |
| 02:48.00 | Werdna | I tried ls | xargs du -hsk and it was the same. |
| 02:48.14 | stoned | liable: the problem is, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start lets me in to X, but startx -- -dpi 132 :0 & or just startx craps out |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | Werdna: i've never tried -h .. just -ski |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | erm .. -sk |
| 02:48.36 | stoned | see X is fine, with kdm, but without it, I can't get into it |
| 02:48.39 | stoned | wtf kinda shit is this |
| 02:48.50 | SerajewelKS | Werdna: du / -Sx | sort -n | tail -20 |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | or something like that :) |
| 02:49.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: =) |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | show off |
| 02:49.29 | SerajewelKS | :< |
| 02:49.35 | stoned | namtorba: of course, if you got it, flaunt it |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | stoned: checked the wiki ? |
| 02:49.46 | stoned | hmm? |
| 02:49.51 | stoned | which wiki |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 02:50.07 | stoned | haha, your nick spelled backwords is cooler |
| 02:50.15 | stoned | namtorba |
| 02:50.18 | stoned | hahaha |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | mine ? |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:50.22 | stoned | :D |
| 02:50.32 | SerajewelKS | denots! |
| 02:50.37 | stoned | missing an e |
| 02:50.41 | stoned | denotes :) |
| 02:50.59 | SerajewelKS | SKlewejareS |
| 02:51.02 | SerajewelKS | nah... |
| 02:51.07 | Werdna | heh, wiping the tor log dropped my diskspace usage a full 20% |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | stop using tor to surf porn |
| 02:51.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: bah, stole my line |
| 02:51.41 | SerajewelKS | !lose me |
| 02:51.41 | dpkg | serajewelks: You Lose. |
| 02:52.36 | stoned | guys |
| 02:52.50 | stoned | I looked at the wiki, and none of those problems concern me |
| 02:52.58 | stoned | afaict |
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| 02:53.51 | abrotman | stoned: oh wait .. |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | stoned: does the file exist ? |
| 02:54.00 | stoned | I CAN get into X with kdm, but not with startx, the errors were in my log which I pasted, scroll above for the link if you lost it, I too lost it, cli client |
| 02:54.04 | stoned | ahh no it doesn't |
| 02:54.08 | stoned | I checked already |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | !find xserver/SecurityPolicy etch |
| 02:54.41 | liable | x11-common.. |
| 02:54.46 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 02:54.49 | SerajewelKS | stoned: SHIFT+PGUP |
| 02:55.09 | stoned | this /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy I can't find it |
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| 02:56.38 | stoned | SerajewelKS: no, my buffer is set to only 2 pages |
| 02:56.45 | stoned | intentionally |
| 02:56.55 | stoned | liable: its not an x11-common problem |
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| 02:57.19 | liable | i was wrong anyway, its xserver-common.. |
| 02:57.49 | stoned | and what exactly might be the problem with that one |
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| 02:58.16 | liable | try reinstalling it |
| 02:58.19 | stoned | ok |
| 02:58.21 | liable | with --confmiss |
| 02:58.36 | liable | force-confmiss |
| 02:59.08 | stoned | that package is already replaced by xserver-xorg and x11-common |
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| 02:59.47 | stoned | did I mention I was on sid |
| 02:59.47 | Vratha | hello |
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| 03:00.16 | Vratha | that's the main reason i'm installing it and replacing my fbsd install :) |
| 03:00.29 | rockstar_ | Can I use plain old image files as backgrounds in e17? I noticed they use .edj files. |
| 03:01.14 | roodmerk | Vratha: I use vmware (server) on Ubuntu (kinda similar) and it works fine. |
| 03:01.57 | abrotman | rockstar_: ask #e |
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| 03:02.43 | stoned | any ideas? |
| 03:03.08 | roodmerk | don't use sid if you need to actually use linux to do stuff? |
| 03:03.10 | stoned | I mean I can fix the problem and get into X, but I want to find out WHY this is happening |
| 03:03.17 | abrotman | yeah .. get me a tub of mayo .. a weasel and twelve buttons |
| 03:03.21 | stoned | roodmerk: I've got 6 machines in my house |
| 03:03.30 | roodmerk | stoned: yes, and? |
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| 03:03.41 | stoned | woody, sarge, etch, sid, bsd, windowsxp |
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| 03:04.06 | stoned | roodmerk: your point is moot. Sid is fine |
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| 03:04.07 | abrotman | stoned: dpkg -S SecurityPolicy .. which package has it ? |
| 03:04.13 | Vratha | roodmerk: sweet :) sounds quite good then |
| 03:04.30 | stoned | abrotman: nothing, like I sais earlier |
| 03:04.33 | stoned | I couldn't find the file |
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| 03:04.38 | rockstar_ | abrotman, Oops, thought I was in #e. |
| 03:04.39 | stoned | or any package containing the file |
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| 03:05.08 | abrotman | nothignf rom apt-file edither ? |
| 03:05.17 | stoned | apt-file has been broken for a while |
| 03:05.19 | abrotman | i managed to misspell every word in that line except apt-file |
| 03:05.29 | abrotman | stoned: it just worked for me |
| 03:05.40 | stoned | strange, it won't find anything for me |
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| 03:05.48 | stoned | liable had the same issue yesterday I believe |
| 03:05.56 | stoned | or might have been asg, I can't recall |
| 03:06.04 | SerajewelKS | stoned: pdo won't filesearch unstable either |
| 03:06.06 | stoned | well, the same issue with apt-file not finding anything |
| 03:06.28 | stoned | SerajewelKS: I know that |
| 03:06.45 | SerajewelKS | stoned: just wondering if it's related |
| 03:06.46 | liable | i can find it with dpks -S, but its old configs from xserver-common |
| 03:06.52 | stoned | SerajewelKS: I don't think so |
| 03:07.04 | SerajewelKS | stoned: but really, chill out... |
| 03:07.10 | stoned | how am I not chilled? |
| 03:07.20 | abrotman | !irritate stoned |
| 03:07.20 | dpkg | stoned: wenas who uses kde kk |
| 03:07.36 | SerajewelKS | stoned: dunno, the reply seemed kinda like you were irritated |
| 03:07.49 | trajiks | Hey guys. I am VERY new to linux and a friend suggested that debian would be the best for gui and learning the os interface. So I installed and everything is well. I logged in and typed startx as he stated and it said that it wasn't a valid command. I am basically wondering where I need to go from here. Thanks in advance. |
| 03:07.55 | stoned | SerajewelKS: just becasue I said "I know that" as a matter of factly somehow comes off as me being irritated? |
| 03:08.12 | stoned | SerajewelKS: when did I become responsible for your perception? I am chilled, rest assured |
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| 03:08.17 | abrotman | trajiks: do you have a preferred Desktop interface? |
| 03:08.41 | SerajewelKS | stoned: ok |
| 03:08.56 | trajiks | abrotman: I have all text based at this point. it's just like a normal cmd prompt style |
| 03:09.14 | abrotman | trajiks: right ... did your friend also suggest something like gnome or kde or fluxbox or xfce ? |
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| 03:09.27 | stoned | abrotman: btw, dpkg -S won't find it either, like I said, nothing I try is finding it |
| 03:09.31 | p0t_ | how do i fix this http://pastebin.ca/89876 |
| 03:09.36 | p0t_ | liable, check that out |
| 03:09.41 | abrotman | you can't |
| 03:09.45 | trajiks | abrotman: he suggested that i type apt-cache search kde which gave me a listing of all the files |
| 03:09.55 | abrotman | trajiks: apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system |
| 03:09.58 | SerajewelKS | what would be a good video NLE for editing two videos together? |
| 03:10.27 | stoned | SerajewelKS: kino perhaps |
| 03:10.33 | trajiks | abrotman: will this load upon bootup or will i have to log in or how will that work. thanks for the advice as well. |
| 03:10.45 | abrotman | it will load KDM when the system boots |
| 03:10.48 | stoned | abrotman: omg!!! |
| 03:10.59 | SerajewelKS | stoned: that's what i'm trying. i can't figure out how to import two mpegs |
| 03:11.01 | stoned | abrotman: do my eyes decieve me! |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | stoned: cows are black and white! |
| 03:11.10 | stoned | abrotman: you just told someone to get kde!!! |
| 03:11.18 | stoned | holy fucking jumping jesus |
| 03:11.21 | stoned | :) |
| 03:11.27 | abrotman | stoned: just because i think it sucks doesn't mean i should deny someone their wish |
| 03:11.34 | trajiks | thanks abrotman, i will do as you suggested. |
| 03:11.40 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i also need to edit the speed of one clip. i'm thinking something premiere-ish. |
| 03:11.41 | stoned | abrotman: I'm just pulling your leg |
| 03:11.47 | p0t_ | abrotman, what if i got into a live cd and mount the hd and chown root.root / |
| 03:11.57 | abrotman | stoned: i also tend to help people with mysql issues .. for some stupid reason :) |
| 03:12.02 | stoned | lol |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | p0t_: still wouldn't fix it |
| 03:12.12 | p0t_ | why not |
| 03:12.15 | stoned | you and your damn pet peeves with software |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | stoned: ok .. kde is one thing .. that's subjective .. but mysql is just garbage :) |
| 03:12.46 | stoned | I'm not a hardcore db user, I use mysql however for my CMS + Amarok etc. Works good fo rme |
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| 03:13.11 | stoned | I'd rather get them to use postgre but fuck man, they are bent on using mysql |
| 03:13.20 | stoned | but as long as they pay me good to code, I don't give a fuck |
| 03:13.21 | abrotman | which is stupid .. oh well |
| 03:13.31 | SerajewelKS | mysql also has more things that work only with it |
| 03:13.39 | SerajewelKS | e.g. mediawiki |
| 03:13.58 | roodmerk | SerajewelKS: Cinelerra |
| 03:14.01 | stoned | then again, php+mysql go hand in hand |
| 03:14.05 | stoned | usually |
| 03:14.16 | abrotman | but people who know choose pgsql ;) |
| 03:14.22 | stoned | anyway, help me with my X problem and I'll give you candy |
| 03:14.26 | Werdna | apt-get install libapache-mod-expires |
| 03:14.27 | roodmerk | abrotman: oracle |
| 03:14.27 | Werdna | uh |
| 03:14.28 | Werdna | whoops |
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| 03:14.51 | abrotman | roodmerk: well .. youknow .. other than a RDBMS that costs a metric crapload per named user :) |
| 03:14.51 | SerajewelKS | roodmerk: hmm interesting |
| 03:14.54 | Gnea | CSV all the way!! |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | stoned: you have to make that file somehow |
| 03:15.12 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:15.16 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:15.22 | stoned | abrotman: but what I don't understand is this |
| 03:15.30 | stoned | abrotman: how come kde can startx, but startx can't startx |
| 03:15.34 | roodmerk | SerajewelKS: There are debian packages for it; aims to be kind alike premiere, except the UI is butt-ugly. |
| 03:15.37 | abrotman | perhaps kdm doesn't look for the file ? |
| 03:15.39 | stoned | abrotman: is it because kde runs as root? |
| 03:15.50 | stoned | yea, but kdm starts X |
| 03:15.54 | stoned | as in X --blahblah |
| 03:16.01 | SerajewelKS | roodmerk: as long as the finished product isn't ugly =) |
| 03:16.02 | stoned | and X uses that file |
| 03:16.10 | stoned | or am I not making any sense? |
| 03:16.12 | stoned | Gnea: yo |
| 03:16.15 | roodmerk | SerajewelKS: Nah, it works fine, just looks ugly doing it ;-) |
| 03:16.27 | stoned | Gnea: someone needs video editing help |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | stoned: /j #flood |
| 03:16.32 | Gnea | stoned: kdm starts X as root, and when a user logs in, it transfers the credentials - startx is for use for starting X via a shell :) |
| 03:16.36 | Gnea | stoned: who? |
| 03:16.37 | SerajewelKS | roodmerk: where are the debs? |
| 03:16.46 | stoned | SerajewelKS: <-- he does |
| 03:16.57 | stoned | Gnea: you're the guru with kino, give him a hand |
| 03:16.58 | stoned | :) |
| 03:16.59 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: apt-get install kino |
| 03:16.59 | SerajewelKS | stoned: does what? |
| 03:17.04 | roodmerk | SerajewelKS: kiberpipa.org; check the cinelerra download page; it mentions the deb lines for sources.list |
| 03:17.07 | abrotman | stoned: last chance before i go to bed |
| 03:17.12 | stoned | abrotman: yeah yeah |
| 03:17.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: kino doesn't do what i need it to |
| 03:17.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: which is? |
| 03:17.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: edit two mpegs together side by side, and slowing one down |
| 03:18.06 | stoned | abrotman: can you kindly pastebin it for me? |
| 03:18.23 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: kino can do that. what do you want to do with them after? |
| 03:18.30 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: plus it doesn't appear to want to even open the files =) |
| 03:18.32 | roodmerk | SerajewelKS: If you happen to have a couple of 8-way Opteron boxes to use as render-farm, it will work in real-time too ;-) |
| 03:18.33 | stoned | abrotman: my buffer is only two pages in cli irc |
| 03:18.44 | SerajewelKS | roodmerk: :< |
| 03:18.50 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: what version of kino do you have? |
| 03:19.02 | SerajewelKS | !info kino etch |
| 03:19.06 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: that one |
| 03:19.06 | dpkg | kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.90-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1347 kB, Installed size: 3624 kB |
| 03:19.27 | Gnea | !info kino sid |
| 03:19.31 | r3m | I install win2k on my win98 partition, but that will erase grub, how to put grub back after it please |
| 03:19.32 | dpkg | kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.90-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1347 kB, Installed size: 3624 kB |
| 03:19.38 | Gnea | ok cool |
| 03:19.43 | SerajewelKS | r3m: livecd + chroot |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | stoned: enjoy :) |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | oh coem on! |
| 03:19.57 | r3m | SerajewelKS any website please |
| 03:19.59 | abrotman | stoned: http://pastebin.ca/89879 |
| 03:20.01 | abrotman | stoned: got it ? |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | stoned: ? |
| 03:20.06 | stoned | hey cool |
| 03:20.13 | abrotman | stoned: http://pastebin.ca/89879 |
| 03:20.15 | abrotman | stoned: http://pastebin.ca/89879 |
| 03:20.16 | stoned | thank you SIR! |
| 03:20.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:20.27 | SerajewelKS | r3m: i don't have one offhand, no, since i know how to do it. but google might have one. |
| 03:20.30 | stoned | good night man |
| 03:20.36 | stoned | dream of big titties |
| 03:20.50 | stoned | :) |
| 03:20.50 | abrotman | i will not be dreaming of you |
| 03:20.52 | stoned | dude |
| 03:20.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no wonder you're #1 on debstats, you spam ;) |
| 03:20.58 | stoned | if i had big titties, I wouldn't be on irc |
| 03:21.01 | stoned | i'd be playing with myself |
| 03:21.09 | stoned | oooh |
| 03:21.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: he missed it the first time .. just wanted to make sure |
| 03:21.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: uh huh... |
| 03:21.33 | stoned | SerajewelKS: you need to calm the fuck down |
| 03:21.48 | abrotman | !qotd173 is <stoned> if i had big titties, I wouldn't be on irc | <stoned> i'd be playing with myself |
| 03:21.49 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i'm joking with him dude |
| 03:21.49 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 03:22.20 | SerajewelKS | stoned: see he can tell when people are joking ;) |
| 03:22.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: so can't open either file with kino? |
| 03:23.22 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i get some error saying there are no settings to import with. or something. |
| 03:23.53 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: except now it's working |
| 03:24.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: maybe a first-run problem? |
| 03:24.10 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: could be |
| 03:24.22 | trajiks | So, I did as abrotman had suggested with the apt-get install kde kdm x-window-system and received the following error code [The following have unmet dependencies x-window-system: Depends: xprt-xprintorg but it is not installable E: broken packages] |
| 03:24.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: anyway, how would i place these videos side by side? |
| 03:24.41 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: so what's your goal? to playback both parts simultaneously or to have them play one after the other? |
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| 03:25.00 | SerajewelKS | trajiks: stable/testing/unstable? |
| 03:25.05 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: same time |
| 03:25.09 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:25.41 | liable | trajiks: what debian version? |
| 03:25.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you'd have to open a second instance of kino for that |
| 03:25.45 | trajiks | SerajewelKS it didn't state anything concerning that. Or not that I had caught I can reboot and check. |
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| 03:26.01 | SerajewelKS | trajiks: i mean which are you using |
| 03:26.30 | evilgeek | trajiks: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:26.32 | SerajewelKS | trajiks: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:26.36 | SerajewelKS | trajiks: or that |
| 03:26.38 | evilgeek | or that. |
| 03:26.38 | trajiks | I am using debian 3.1 |
| 03:26.43 | SerajewelKS | evilgeek: haha |
| 03:26.49 | Gnea | !sarge |
| 03:26.49 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 03:26.51 | trajiks | which I got from linuxiso |
| 03:26.54 | SerajewelKS | trajiks: sarge then |
| 03:27.11 | liable | trajiks: do you have a security ine in sources list? |
| 03:27.17 | SerajewelKS | trajiks: have you run 'apt-get update' yet? |
| 03:27.35 | trajiks | that was ran as soon as i installed, if i remember correctly |
| 03:27.40 | SerajewelKS | trajiks: ok |
| 03:27.41 | evilgeek | trajiks: right, but from where is apt getting its shit? |
| 03:28.15 | trajiks | wherever it is set default to get it id assume evilgeek |
| 03:28.35 | evilgeek | cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste it to rafb.net/paste. |
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| 03:29.08 | trajiks | ok I will need to reboot being that I am not on the system right now |
| 03:29.10 | trajiks | thanks |
| 03:29.14 | liable | no |
| 03:29.23 | liable | oh, ok |
| 03:29.24 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: what about lives? |
| 03:29.27 | liable | misread :) |
| 03:29.33 | Gnea | lives? |
| 03:29.37 | evilgeek | you probably want this set to 'stable' or 'sarge'. |
| 03:29.48 | SerajewelKS | !info lives etch |
| 03:29.53 | evilgeek | it will say something like 'sid', 'etch', 'sarge', 'woody', 'stable', 'unstable', or 'testing'. |
| 03:30.02 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
| 03:30.14 | SerajewelKS | i *just* installed it |
| 03:30.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: oh it's from marillat |
| 03:30.52 | roodmerk | prolly not from debian src then] |
| 03:30.52 | Gnea | never heard of it, looks cool |
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| 03:39.21 | kapocannonieri | Hi everyone |
| 03:40.07 | kapocannonieri | I've a hand and I wish you could help me in |
| 03:40.23 | stoned | !ask |
| 03:40.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:40.30 | stoned | kapocannonieri, read above |
| 03:40.45 | stoned | :) |
| 03:41.33 | kapocannonieri | I'm developing an application, and as I live on a place where bandwith is really much expensive, I cant use myself bw to host what I'm doing |
| 03:41.44 | kapocannonieri | I don't need CVS or something like that |
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| 03:42.08 | kapocannonieri | I just need a place where to upload files and then be downloaded via web |
| 03:42.17 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: sourceforge |
| 03:42.20 | roodmerk | sopurceforge |
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| 03:42.46 | kapocannonieri | Well, I read that to use sf you have to use a licence they have |
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| 03:42.59 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: It is not GPLd? |
| 03:42.59 | kapocannonieri | and I don't like it being public so far I'm developing it |
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| 03:43.13 | trajiks | I pasted on that site as suggested |
| 03:43.15 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: Then buy a web hosting account, they are cheap. |
| 03:43.25 | kapocannonieri | well, when It would be ready, I would |
| 03:43.28 | evilgeek | doesn't geocities still exist? |
| 03:43.36 | kapocannonieri | but so fur It's just useless |
| 03:43.40 | liable | trajiks: and the url is? |
| 03:43.50 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: If youa re looking for free hosting for a closed source project in #debian - good luck. |
| 03:44.06 | trajiks | http://rafb.net/paste/results/P4IcWs99.html |
| 03:44.15 | kapocannonieri | no, it's not close source or something like that at all |
| 03:44.33 | roodmerk | kapocannonieri: You can always GPL it but not release source until you feel it's time. |
| 03:44.37 | kapocannonieri | but, as its really in develping, I don't like it to be publishing by know |
| 03:44.56 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: I think sourceforge really can help you out there. |
| 03:45.06 | liable | trajiks: as root, run 'apt-setup' then comment out the cd lines in that file |
| 03:45.08 | roodmerk | Just put binaries online for now |
| 03:45.12 | kapocannonieri | SF is more like to host projects |
| 03:45.15 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: And you might find someone who is interested in helping you develop it. |
| 03:45.27 | kapocannonieri | I need something more like a community host service |
| 03:45.32 | kapocannonieri | non published |
| 03:45.39 | evilgeek | trajiks: oh. you have internet access now, though. you should put something like "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" in there. |
| 03:45.46 | trajiks | liable: comment out? as in just erase them? |
| 03:45.58 | liable | trajiks: just put a # in front of them |
| 03:45.59 | evilgeek | trajiks: stick a "#" at the beginning of a line to comment it out. |
| 03:45.59 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: What is it that you want? |
| 03:46.02 | kapocannonieri | rsimpkins: well, It's not what I'm looking for |
| 03:46.23 | evilgeek | trajiks: the program reading the file will not care about lines that are commented out. |
| 03:46.31 | trajiks | is there anything else I need to do at that point? thanks again |
| 03:46.37 | kapocannonieri | I just need a place where to start putting what I'm doing, until it's ready to be something more serious |
| 03:47.01 | liable | trajiks: apt-get update then the other things abrotman said |
| 03:47.02 | kapocannonieri | with my 128 kbits/s It's useless |
| 03:47.10 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: get a gmail account and store it there. |
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| 03:47.41 | kapocannonieri | well, I was looking something more flexible like to use scp |
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| 03:48.00 | evilgeek | doesn't gmail still have the gmail filesystem? =) |
| 03:48.06 | kapocannonieri | >:< |
| 03:48.42 | kapocannonieri | I'm sure there must be about a million of organization whom offer what I need, but I just can't finde them :-\ |
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| 03:49.16 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: Search for free UNIX shell or something. |
| 03:49.30 | trajiks | thanks ill try what everyone suggested |
| 03:50.14 | kapocannonieri | rsimpkins: Yeah, I did, I found this http://www.ductape.net/~mitja/freeunix.shtml but it's really deprecated |
| 03:50.46 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: What country are you in? |
| 03:51.04 | kapocannonieri | Argentina |
| 03:51.35 | kapocannonieri | and, in the place I'm in (not the city) the bw is really much expensive |
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| 03:52.00 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: And you do not have $5/month (US) to spend on hosting? |
| 03:53.10 | Vasistha | kapocannonieri: I paid a one-time $3 US fee for an account with freepgs.com which is supposedly a one-time fee |
| 03:53.19 | Vasistha | err, sorry for redundancy |
| 03:53.30 | kapocannonieri | rsimpkins: If it existed a way in which I could pay them, without being credit card or something like that, I will (taking into account, that what you pay 5 dollars there, it's about 4 times the amount here) |
| 03:54.09 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: Don't they have credit cards in Argentina? |
| 03:54.20 | kapocannonieri | of couse yes, but I don't |
| 03:54.45 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: How about check cards? |
| 03:54.55 | rsimpkins | kapocannonieri: Do you have a checking account? |
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| 03:55.09 | kapocannonieri | don't know what it is |
| 03:55.55 | kapocannonieri | I mean, I really think about it, but, I'm fucking sure that there must be some people who don't care about offering a bit of their huge servers ;-) |
| 03:56.07 | Diazepam | what command lets me see all unmounted devices (e.g such as unmounted hard drives)? |
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| 03:58.04 | kapocannonieri | Diazepam, don't know if it exists, but you should use just "mount" and then compare them with /etc/fstab |
| 03:58.18 | Diazepam | thats what im doing now |
| 03:58.28 | Diazepam | cheers |
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| 03:59.06 | linux2 | hey i got an odd question |
| 03:59.15 | linux2 | is there anyway to start a linux install while in dos? |
| 03:59.35 | linux2 | cause i got a laptop that only runs dos and it won't boot off of floppies (don't know why) |
| 03:59.38 | grendal_prime | i got this bizaro problem with my new laptop (etch) machine and the way it handles my wireless card. I have to use the front end app to fire the thing up because aparently the way hotplug configs it is totally different then the way i use to config it in the /etc/networking/interfaces ?? |
| 03:59.41 | linux2 | well its a 486 |
| 03:59.48 | rsimpkins | linux2: I remember someone talking about doing a Linux install from inside windows, then rebooting to Linux. But it has been a long time. |
| 03:59.49 | linux2 | and i want to run linux on it |
| 03:59.52 | zinx | linux2: how much RAM does it have? |
| 04:00.00 | kapocannonieri | rsimpkins: In fact, I was using one, which is currently offline (zsuatt) |
| 04:00.05 | linux2 | zinx, 40mb |
| 04:00.07 | grendal_prime | can someone please enlighten me on this process becuause aparently im not using the wifi config tool properly |
| 04:00.37 | linux2 | rsimpkins, yeah something like that |
| 04:00.48 | linux2 | i went through hell to even get dos to boot on this thing |
| 04:01.01 | linux2 | i got some ancient beat up laptop (surprised it even turns on) |
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| 04:01.11 | linux2 | and whenever i boot a linux install i get a kernel panic |
| 04:01.16 | linux2 | about accessing some address |
| 04:01.28 | kapocannonieri | linux2: I was once in your situation |
| 04:01.38 | kapocannonieri | and the easiest way I found was to take the hdd out |
| 04:01.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well mine is a simple problem....i forgot how to install KDE. i was setting up debian on a friends computer and it installed gnome. (no offence so gnome users but i think it gives a bad impression of linux) so i was trying to replace it with KDE but realize....i dont remember how i installed it on my computer |
| 04:01.55 | linux2 | well i only got two laptops |
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| 04:02.01 | linux2 | i have the 486 |
| 04:02.06 | linux2 | which runs nicely |
| 04:02.14 | linux2 | and the beat up toshiba tecra |
| 04:02.17 | kapocannonieri | It took me a few days to find the hdd energy adaptor, but I'm sure it was much easier than trying to make it install from there |
| 04:02.27 | linux2 | kapocannonieri, yeah |
| 04:02.27 | Shroom | Evening all. |
| 04:02.42 | rsimpkins | linux2: Have you tried an older kernel or anything? |
| 04:03.11 | kapocannonieri | Shroom: evenings pal |
| 04:03.19 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i remember though that it was here where i learned how to set it up the first time |
| 04:03.27 | Shroom | I have come across an odd error |
| 04:03.32 | linux2 | rsimpkins, yep tried around 20 distros |
| 04:03.37 | Shroom | and I was hoping someone else here may have seen it too |
| 04:03.43 | Thunderguy | Hey, if you have installed a debian distro right? and you want to update to another say from Sarge -> Testing and you want to use debian-cd to create bootable installation discs from a partial mirror of testing, and assuming you have the technical skills to do that, you don't need to go get a testing cd right? debian-cd will just -be able- to create a cd set like that? |
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| 04:04.11 | Shroom | I am running sid and I am having issues with text showing up properly in firefox and synaptic and such |
| 04:04.39 | BHSPitLappy | is there an apt command to see a package's dependencies? |
| 04:04.41 | Shroom | http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y265/CommanderShroom/strangedesktop.png |
| 04:04.55 | Shroom | It is absolutely confounding |
| 04:05.07 | Shroom | I have checked most of the places I know of |
| 04:05.23 | larrikin | BHSPitLappy: apt-cache show <pkg> | grep Dependencies |
| 04:05.25 | The_Ultimate_Sam | come on im sure most people here have experience with setting up KDE |
| 04:06.11 | kapocannonieri | BHSPitLappy: aptitude show / apt-cache show [package] |
| 04:06.12 | rsimpkins | Shroom: Have you tried changing the system fonts, etc? |
| 04:06.25 | Shroom | Yes. |
| 04:06.33 | larrikin | BHSPitLappy: s/Dependencies/Depends/ |
| 04:06.33 | Shroom | What I find odd about it |
| 04:06.41 | Shroom | Is that I use KDE normally |
| 04:06.49 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i cant make heads or tails of the KDE website. |
| 04:06.57 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so i dont know where to download the package |
| 04:06.57 | Shroom | and in KDE and Konquerer there are no issues |
| 04:07.10 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
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| 04:07.35 | Shroom | Is there somewhere I could post that too? |
| 04:07.47 | Shroom | I figure if nothing else it is at least worth getting out there. |
| 04:08.04 | BHSPitLappy | is there a somewhat convenient method out there, to fetch the .debs for a package and all its dependencies, (with the intention of placing them on a CD, for offline use) |
| 04:08.05 | Shroom | I may have to back down to testing again |
| 04:08.15 | grendal_prime | shroom thats what you desktop looks like? |
| 04:08.24 | Shroom | Web pages |
| 04:08.33 | grendal_prime | in konq? |
| 04:08.35 | Shroom | and certain desktop items |
| 04:08.38 | Shroom | no |
| 04:08.40 | Shroom | Firefox |
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| 04:08.55 | grendal_prime | ya..thats a font problem there.. |
| 04:09.02 | Shroom | The occasional dialog screen and such does it too |
| 04:09.07 | grendal_prime | i would say you need to like install..well try the msfonts pack.. |
| 04:09.07 | Shroom | but only some |
| 04:09.17 | Shroom | :) |
| 04:09.23 | Shroom | I heard about it, |
| 04:09.26 | Shroom | I already did |
| 04:09.44 | Shroom | I have exhausted about every resource I know |
| 04:09.54 | Shroom | I hate showing up on IRC channels |
| 04:09.59 | grendal_prime | there is a fonts pack you have to have installed for flash to work correct as well.. |
| 04:10.05 | Shroom | and going "Hey people can you help me?" |
| 04:10.20 | grendal_prime | everyone else does that.. |
| 04:10.26 | Shroom | I know |
| 04:10.32 | Shroom | but if I can avoid it. |
| 04:10.42 | grendal_prime | hell im here because my wirlress card has to be kicked 6 ways to sunday every time i turn on this laptop |
| 04:10.55 | grendal_prime | fkn pisses me off |
| 04:11.21 | Shroom | So do I |
| 04:11.29 | grendal_prime | i sure do like the testing (etch) desktop. |
| 04:11.33 | BHSPitLappy | gotta love network-manager |
| 04:11.36 | Shroom | my lappy has the IPW2200 card in it |
| 04:11.40 | BHSPitLappy | mine too |
| 04:11.40 | Shroom | and it drive me nuts |
| 04:11.41 | BHSPitLappy | Dell? |
| 04:11.45 | Shroom | HPP |
| 04:11.48 | Shroom | HP |
| 04:11.54 | BHSPitLappy | ah |
| 04:11.56 | Shroom | But I finally went to BSD |
| 04:12.01 | kapocannonieri | well |
| 04:12.05 | kapocannonieri | have a nice day all |
| 04:12.09 | Shroom | it has worked better than anything else I have installed |
| 04:12.16 | BHSPitLappy | so does anyone know how to do what I'm talking abotu |
| 04:12.21 | BHSPitLappy | about* |
| 04:12.30 | Shroom | What are you doing? |
| 04:12.35 | Shroom | Hopefully I can help a bit |
| 04:12.38 | BHSPitLappy | is there a somewhat convenient method out there, to fetch the .debs for a package and all its dependencies, (with the intention of placing them on a CD, for offline use) |
| 04:13.01 | grendal_prime | Shroom, oh ya..bsd have a somewhat current distro now? |
| 04:13.09 | grendal_prime | BHSPitLappy, ya. |
| 04:13.14 | Shroom | I am trying out PC-BSD |
| 04:13.17 | grendal_prime | apt-proxy im thinking |
| 04:13.19 | Shroom | it is pretty nice |
| 04:13.48 | Shroom | and honestly |
| 04:14.02 | Shroom | setting up the wifi takes me about 10 minutes |
| 04:14.12 | Shroom | next to an hour in the debian based ones |
| 04:14.21 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 04:14.25 | grendal_prime | werid.. |
| 04:14.25 | Shroom | But |
| 04:14.26 | roodmerk | Shroom: On gnome these days it takes about 10 seconds |
| 04:14.32 | Shroom | really? |
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| 04:14.50 | Shroom | I always had grief with the firmware |
| 04:14.52 | Shroom | but oh well |
| 04:14.54 | roodmerk | Shroom: I have 'network-manager' - which lists all netwoprks like in OSX. I select, enetr key, and go. |
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| 04:15.35 | Shroom | But |
| 04:15.47 | Shroom | I guess I should talk Debian, considering where I am |
| 04:15.50 | grendal_prime | oo you mean when you first set it up. Ive never had a problem with that. but i just dont understand why, the frontside apps for this work the way they do. |
| 04:15.55 | roodmerk | <heh> |
| 04:16.18 | Shroom | I am going to tweak some more with my fonts and stuff |
| 04:16.36 | BHSPitLappy | hmm, I don't have apt-proxy :( |
| 04:17.06 | roodmerk | sudo apt-get install apt-proxy |
| 04:17.45 | BHSPitLappy | it sure has a good collection of deps |
| 04:18.27 | Shroom | The site I took the screenshot of, is just using Arial. |
| 04:18.36 | Shroom | so nothing fancy in the fonts themselves |
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| 04:25.22 | tojik | Hello everyone, I have no sound in my system. Can anyone help me to configure it? |
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| 04:26.05 | Mcribs | did you build it into your kernel? |
| 04:26.33 | tojik | Mcribs: I am novice in it. I don't understand what you mean |
| 04:26.43 | BHSPitLappy | wow, er had a good 7 minute silence in here |
| 04:26.51 | Shroom | try doing a lsmod to see if you have any sound modules installed |
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| 04:27.53 | tojik | soundcore 3268 4 [snd] |
| 04:28.18 | tojik | via82cxxx 9256 1 (autoclean) |
| 04:28.18 | tojik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:29.14 | tojik | So is it ok? |
| 04:29.23 | Mcribs | lol |
| 04:29.28 | Mcribs | prolly not if no sound |
| 04:29.31 | Shroom | hehe |
| 04:29.37 | BHSPitLappy | ok |
| 04:29.43 | Shroom | Well you have stuff in there. which is good. |
| 04:29.48 | BHSPitLappy | so how was apt-proxy supposed to help me fetch those .debs? |
| 04:29.53 | Shroom | but whether ir not it is the right stuff?? |
| 04:30.14 | Shroom | Is the sound on your board a via based chip? |
| 04:30.29 | tojik | Yes it's onboard via chip |
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| 04:31.15 | Thunderguy | Hey, you know those debian-cd admin tools? I was wondering now if I create a cd set will the installer or whatever on the cd, will it install every package I put on that cd? or is there a way I could make it install the base system then leave all other packages to the sole decision of the user using the cd? |
| 04:31.18 | tojik | snd-via82xx 11840 0 |
| 04:31.18 | tojik | snd-pcm-oss 34048 0 |
| 04:31.18 | tojik | snd-mixer-oss 11000 0 [snd-pcm-oss] |
| 04:31.18 | tojik | snd-ac97-codec 48280 0 [snd-via82xx] |
| 04:31.18 | tojik | snd-pcm 50216 0 [snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss snd-ac97-codec] |
| 04:31.18 | tojik | snd-timer 12548 0 [snd-pcm] |
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| 04:31.33 | Mcribs | poor tojik |
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| 04:33.14 | grendal_prime | i whish the kde help center actually did something |
| 04:33.32 | grendal_prime | i mean i see files that downolad for help..but i cant for the life of me see how to view the damn things |
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| 04:35.11 | tojik | So can anyone help me with a sound? |
| 04:35.41 | Mcribs | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml |
| 04:35.53 | Mcribs | I installed my sound today with that |
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| 04:37.30 | tojik | Mcribs: Thanks, I will try to |
| 04:38.04 | tojik | Mcribs: Does it work in Debian? |
| 04:38.25 | liable | tojik: have you run alsaconf? |
| 04:39.12 | tojik | Liable: Yes, and it did not help at all |
| 04:39.41 | liable | tojik: did it detect your card? and did you then try alsamixer? |
| 04:40.49 | tojik | liable: It detected my card but I didn't used alsamixer. Should I install it also? |
| 04:41.08 | jair | hello guys, I have debian sarge installed with kde 3.3 on a laptop for a girl and I have to try to make it the most simple and easy to use |
| 04:41.38 | liable | tojik: you should have it already, just type alsamixer |
| 04:41.51 | jair | if I have a directory with a lot of pictures I would like to have a way that kde shows a thumbnail of the images easier to choose and navigate? |
| 04:41.57 | liable | tojik: also type 'groupd' as a user, do you see audio listed? |
| 04:42.22 | jair | or it is some kind of add-on I can put on the kde to browse pdf, jpeg, videos ?? |
| 04:42.31 | liable | jair: check konqueror setting, i presume it can do thumbnails |
| 04:42.53 | liable | tojik: sorry, groups, not groupd |
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| 04:43.10 | jair | liable: ok, but do you have an idea of a good software that can manipulate the images pretty simple and fast beside the gimp |
| 04:43.22 | rhys | is there an easy way i can test which device my sound card is on? |
| 04:43.39 | rhys | /dev/audio or maybe /dev/mixer? |
| 04:43.54 | liable | jair: like rotate and stuff? |
| 04:45.00 | liable | jair: i like gqview. theres lots of image programs. its a pain to decide which to use :) |
| 04:45.13 | tojik | liable: tojik dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 04:45.22 | tojik | There is audio |
| 04:45.25 | liable | tojik: ok, cool |
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| 04:45.42 | tojik | liable: what next? |
| 04:45.55 | liable | tojik: did you try alsamixer |
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| 04:46.09 | rhys | hey...someone play god and tell me what /dev/ my audiodevice uses :D |
| 04:46.16 | tojik | liable: Yes, I switched on all the channels |
| 04:46.37 | liable | tojik: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp (do you here sound) |
| 04:47.29 | tojik | liable: There is a terrible noise |
| 04:47.33 | rhys | liable! i love you |
| 04:47.43 | liable | tojik: good |
| 04:47.44 | jair | liable: I like so much kde, but gnome has a very easy way to show the thumbnails etc.. |
| 04:48.02 | jair | liable: it is something that get similar to the way gnome shows it? |
| 04:48.18 | rhys | liable, wtf? i got sound, but "artsd -D /dev/dsp" doesnt work |
| 04:48.18 | jair | I will get the gqview then |
| 04:48.37 | liable | jair: really, check your konqueror settings |
| 04:49.04 | liable | tojik: do you use gnome? |
| 04:49.08 | tojik | liable: Yes |
| 04:49.18 | jair | liable: I check them and the thumbnail option is checked |
| 04:49.24 | liable | tojik: pkill esd (as root) and try and play something |
| 04:49.51 | liable | jair: but it doesnt show thumbnails? |
| 04:49.58 | jair | liable: some of them when you place the mouse open as thumbnail good but I just paste couple of pictures and nothing :( |
| 04:50.12 | jair | some does in some other pictures it does not |
| 04:50.32 | liable | jair: try a kde channel, they should be of more help |
| 04:50.56 | jair | liable: right |
| 04:50.57 | jair | :) |
| 04:51.25 | liable | rhys: try the control centre shits for sound |
| 04:51.36 | rhys | liable, i dont have KDE installed |
| 04:51.42 | rhys | i hate HDE |
| 04:51.44 | rhys | KDE |
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| 04:51.56 | liable | rhys: why do you have artsd? |
| 04:52.04 | rhys | i need a mixer. |
| 04:52.12 | rhys | least, a sound daemon |
| 04:52.16 | tojik | liable: I am trying to play Audio CD and still have no sound |
| 04:52.16 | rhys | and artsd is newer than esd |
| 04:52.49 | liable | tojik: check gnome sound control thingo |
| 04:53.14 | liable | tojik: your card works, i suspect its the gnome sound daemon fuxoring it for you |
| 04:53.39 | tojik | liable: It si ok. All the channels are switched on |
| 04:54.36 | liable | tojik: thats about as far as i can help. i dont use gnome, and am not particularly familiar with its workings |
| 04:54.54 | rhys | liable, what do you use for sound? |
| 04:55.19 | liable | rhys: i dont think i have a daemon installed |
| 04:55.22 | tojik | liable: Thank you anyway. I will try to find something myself |
| 04:55.27 | Mcribs | hey tojik |
| 04:55.32 | Mcribs | does anything online play? |
| 04:55.41 | tojik | Mcribs: hey |
| 04:55.58 | tojik | Mcribs: I haven't tried |
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| 04:56.13 | Mcribs | perhaps your cd is damaged |
| 04:56.40 | tojik | Mcribs: No, it's not it perfectly plays in Windows on that PC |
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| 04:57.25 | grendal_prime | this is obnoxious |
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| 04:57.50 | grendal_prime | i just want to be able to fire up my wireless card without having to log in as the root user..is it even possible? |
| 04:58.36 | roodmerk | grendal_prime: of course; set it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:59.04 | grendal_prime | i did that... |
| 04:59.11 | grendal_prime | with stable.. |
| 04:59.39 | grendal_prime | but umm..well this thing is different..uses hotplug...i dont know im just not familiar with the syntax that got set up with the etch |
| 05:00.39 | Johnny_5 | how do i change permissions? |
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| 05:02.11 | roodmerk | grendal_prime: The identical non-hotplug setup should work fine. |
| 05:02.27 | roodmerk | Johnny_5: 'man chmod' |
| 05:02.44 | Johnny_5 | k |
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| 05:03.56 | Mcribs | Does anyone know how to fix an alsa sound delay problem |
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| 05:04.52 | grendal_prime | you running some sort of desktop Mcribs ? |
| 05:04.59 | Mcribs | yes kde |
| 05:05.07 | grendal_prime | ya make sure your not using arts |
| 05:05.22 | grendal_prime | its notoriouse for delayed sound. its possible your not even using alsa |
| 05:06.44 | Mcribs | how would i check for arts |
| 05:06.52 | Mcribs | I'm sure that i'm using alsa tho |
| 05:06.55 | liable | ps aux |grep artsd |
| 05:07.18 | Mcribs | hmm guess i am |
| 05:08.01 | grendal_prime | alsa tends to be very responsive. Its damn amazing i think.. |
| 05:08.16 | Mcribs | its been hectic getting it to work tho |
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| 05:08.57 | Mcribs | what exactly is arts? |
| 05:09.12 | BHSPitLappy | is there a somewhat convenient method out there, to fetch the .debs for a package and all its dependencies, (with the intention of placing them on a CD, for offline use) |
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| 05:09.22 | dabreegster | A sound mixer. Lets multiple apps access sound and once. |
| 05:09.33 | Mcribs | ahh |
| 05:09.41 | dabreegster | BHSPitLappy: You could apt-get install them with -d (download only) then move the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives to your backup |
| 05:10.15 | Mcribs | thanks grendal and liable |
| 05:10.28 | liable | BHSPitLappy: apt-cache search apt (have a read what each do) |
| 05:10.29 | BHSPitLappy | dabreegster, will it download all the deps, though? the thing is, I already have this package, and all of its deps installed |
| 05:10.47 | dabreegster | BHSPitLappy: Oh. --reinstall then! |
| 05:11.00 | BHSPitLappy | heh, will it re-fetch all the deps? |
| 05:11.02 | dabreegster | BHSPitLappy: But be sure to -d or it'll reinstall on your current machine. |
| 05:11.14 | dabreegster | BHSPitLappy: Clean out /var/cache/apt/archives before, so you can copy only what you need. |
| 05:11.18 | dabreegster | BHSPitLappy: It should. Try it out. |
| 05:11.26 | BHSPitLappy | will do |
| 05:11.26 | dabreegster | Er, wait, maybe not. Hrmm. |
| 05:11.31 | BHSPitLappy | :S |
| 05:11.45 | BHSPitLappy | tricky situation, eh |
| 05:11.48 | dabreegster | Re-Install packages that are already installed and at the newest version. Configuration Item: APT::Get::ReInstall. Plural, so probably. |
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| 05:12.37 | BHSPitLappy | wow |
| 05:12.50 | BHSPitLappy | it's safe to clear out this archives folder, right? |
| 05:12.52 | dabreegster | Any luck? |
| 05:12.56 | BHSPitLappy | got a lot of debs in it |
| 05:13.28 | dabreegster | Yeah. You could move them somewhere. |
| 05:13.38 | BHSPitLappy | do I even need them> |
| 05:13.42 | BHSPitLappy | s/>/?/ |
| 05:13.49 | dabreegster | Don't touch the partial/ directory, but if you do it's probably not major. |
| 05:13.58 | dabreegster | If they're already installed, no. |
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| 05:14.03 | unix_infidel | BHSPitLappy: use apt or dpkg to remove them. |
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| 05:14.30 | dabreegster | BHSPitLappy: Yeah, there's apt-get clean |
| 05:14.36 | liable | BHSPitLappy: its ok to clean the cache, it just has the debs of things you have installed. it bloats out after a while, so cleaning is a good idea |
| 05:14.49 | BHSPitLappy | that worked |
| 05:16.48 | BHSPitLappy | ok |
| 05:16.56 | BHSPitLappy | it only wants to reinstall the package itself |
| 05:17.00 | BHSPitLappy | not the deps as well |
| 05:17.07 | dabreegster | Hrmm. |
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| 05:18.06 | dabreegster | I don't see a further option in the manpages for recursive reinstallation. You could write a filter to extract the dependencies apt-get prints and --reinstall -d each manually, but that's not the easiest solution. |
| 05:18.56 | BHSPitLappy | there's probably some obscure way to do what I'm trying to do easily out there |
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| 05:19.12 | dabreegster | You could try changing the config file in the manpage. |
| 05:19.53 | dabreegster | APT::Get::ReInstall 1 in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 05:22.32 | BHSPitLappy | do you know that option to be for what we're trying to do? |
| 05:22.58 | dabreegster | It might just do the equivalent of an implicit --reinstall. Lemme try it out. |
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| 05:26.20 | xze | hi, which file can i edit to remove unnecessary modules from loading on bootup? |
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| 05:27.06 | dabreegster | BHSPitLappy: Er, no, setting the config option doesn't help with your problem. I dunno, sorry. You could write that script. |
| 05:27.27 | liable | xze: look in /etc/modules, or otherwise hotplug/udev/discover may be loading them. /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 05:28.10 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
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| 05:32.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | Hi everyone, Whenever i change my resolution, let's say Ctrl Alt + The resolution changes but i get a virtual desktop, i want it to fit to my screen... Anyone please ? |
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| 05:32.41 | RvGaTe | missed my buss :s |
| 05:32.45 | RvGaTe | crap |
| 05:33.08 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 05:33.46 | RvGaTe | have around 7min for the next one.. |
| 05:33.46 | BHSPitLappy | what do you mean, a virtual desktop, Ox0F0-0FF |
| 05:34.01 | BHSPitLappy | what kind of monitor is it? |
| 05:34.02 | RvGaTe | 7min more time to play with Xgl.. |
| 05:34.14 | BHSPitLappy | RvGaTe, bad idea |
| 05:34.19 | liable | RvGaTe: on debian or ubuntu? |
| 05:34.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | Not the whole desktop appears, i have to move the mouse to get the rest of the desktop |
| 05:34.33 | RvGaTe | liable, gotta be ubuntu... sorry |
| 05:34.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | BHSPitLappy, Happens with all kind of monitors |
| 05:34.53 | BHSPitLappy | oh, you mean it's a too-high resolution, and it goes beyond the screen? |
| 05:34.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | there's an option to set in xorg, i just can't remember |
| 05:35.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | just a different resolution |
| 05:35.17 | RvGaTe | BHSPitLappy, yeh, Xgl is a bit of a time killer isn't it? :P |
| 05:35.20 | BHSPitLappy | that seems like an indication that your monitor can't handle that size :P |
| 05:35.29 | BHSPitLappy | RvGaTe, you're just going to miss the next one :P |
| 05:35.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | but yeah, what you say can also mean this |
| 05:35.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | BHSPitLappy, You're wrong |
| 05:35.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | even if i switch to a lower, it does it |
| 05:36.11 | BHSPitLappy | RvGaTe, curious... do you have Xgl default, or under a separate Session option on the login screen? |
| 05:36.19 | streuner | dpkg, nickometer Ox0F0-0FF |
| 05:36.21 | dpkg | 'Ox0F0-0FF' is 99.390% lame, streuner |
| 05:36.27 | RvGaTe | BHSPitLappy, seperate section, incase it crashes... |
| 05:36.45 | BHSPitLappy | ouch |
| 05:36.56 | RvGaTe | why you ask? :) |
| 05:37.01 | BHSPitLappy | RvGaTe, cool, that's what I want... |
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| 05:37.16 | BHSPitLappy | did you go by the normal Ubuntu howto or some 3rd party? |
| 05:37.24 | RvGaTe | BHSPitLappy, normal ubuntu howto |
| 05:37.27 | BHSPitLappy | hmm |
| 05:37.38 | BHSPitLappy | wish it Just Worked (TM) for me |
| 05:38.01 | RvGaTe | its a bit of a pain in the ass to set it up in debian... |
| 05:38.12 | BHSPitLappy | I use ubuntu, too... |
| 05:38.20 | RvGaTe | then what are you doing here? :P |
| 05:38.31 | streuner | so go to #ubuntu and discuss it there |
| 05:38.32 | BHSPitLappy | I'm only in here because I can ask some more complex questions :P |
| 05:38.45 | BHSPitLappy | and I didn't mean to make a topic out of the xgl thing, sorry |
| 05:39.08 | RvGaTe | BHSPitLappy, lame reason :P, im here becouse i have a debian server... im also on ubuntu for my desktop |
| 05:39.27 | BHSPitLappy | #ubuntu is a madhouse |
| 05:39.33 | RvGaTe | yes it is |
| 05:39.45 | RvGaTe | to many people asking, and less people answering |
| 05:39.47 | BHSPitLappy | flies by too quickly, with too many simultaneous questions, all the time |
| 05:39.51 | BHSPitLappy | yeah |
| 05:39.57 | BHSPitLappy | and it's mostly more basic questions |
| 05:40.06 | RvGaTe | i gtg |
| 05:40.08 | RvGaTe | buss ;) |
| 05:40.09 | BHSPitLappy | hurry |
| 05:40.11 | BHSPitLappy | don't miss it |
| 05:40.12 | RvGaTe | haha |
| 05:40.14 | RvGaTe | i will ! |
| 05:40.18 | BHSPitLappy | heh |
| 05:40.21 | BHSPitLappy | some confidence |
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| 05:46.58 | rhys | does anyone know what a ./configure script wants when it asks for "audiofile-prefix" ? |
| 05:47.35 | streuner | some lib isn't installed |
| 05:47.47 | streuner | prolly |
| 05:47.55 | streuner | show us the whole error in paster bot |
| 05:48.16 | rhys | working that already |
| 05:48.19 | rhys | : |
| 05:48.27 | rhys | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UcxvgY55.html |
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| 05:49.38 | streuner | Is that app in debian? |
| 05:50.21 | rhys | yep |
| 05:50.30 | rhys | im trying to compile gaim with voice |
| 05:50.42 | rhys | it cant find it, so im wondering where debian put it |
| 05:51.32 | rhys | gaim v2.0beta3. works well, im using it now |
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| 05:52.07 | rhys | any idea? |
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| 05:52.19 | streuner | dpkg gaim |
| 05:52.20 | dpkg | gaim is probably an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 05:52.21 | rhys | ive tried a few on the configure options |
| 05:53.09 | streuner | rhys: /msg dpkg simple sid backport - look howto fullfil depends |
| 05:53.21 | pinky | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39277835,00.htm : "For open source to prosper, people need to stop thinking of it as "free" and instead think of it as "connected capitalism"," |
| 05:53.44 | pinky | Well that shows what Sun Microsystems thinks |
| 05:53.54 | rhys | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NnzWri68.html |
| 05:53.59 | rhys | i used some of these |
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| 05:54.53 | streuner | rhys: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:55.14 | roodmerk | streuner: why the tail? |
| 05:55.37 | rhys | installed... |
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| 05:55.42 | random | I deleted /etc/apache2 to kill off all the config files though when trying to reinstall it via aptitude/apt-get/dpkg I can't get any of them to repopulate that folder |
| 05:55.43 | streuner | because somebody would flood and debhelper would care about that... |
| 05:55.43 | rhys | do you mean dpkg -L? |
| 05:55.55 | streuner | no |
| 05:56.01 | BHSPitLappy | why does the bot use foul language? |
| 05:56.04 | dabreegster | random: Never do that, use --purge |
| 05:56.20 | random | dabreegster I had used purge several times and it wasn't getting rid of them |
| 05:56.20 | rhys | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 05:56.57 | streuner | rhys: ok, what's with the version in bpo, is the version in unstable ok? |
| 05:56.57 | random | the apache2 install is _very_ broken so I resorted to removing it completely (note that I did aptitude purge apache2 before deleting the configs) |
| 05:57.28 | rhys | streuner, its not finding the libraries at all. i tried setting them mainually, finding where ao was, i have it installed |
| 05:57.32 | roodmerk | random: The packages are apache2-common and apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 05:57.46 | rhys | i will have to do it tommarow. its 2am, and i have baling tommarow. 8 hours, and its getting up to 96 in the middle of the day. :( |
| 05:57.49 | random | thanks roodmerk |
| 05:57.56 | rhys | ty for the help. nn |
| 05:59.26 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 05:59.29 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:01.19 | liable | BHSPitLappy: the bot uses whatever language people load into it.. |
| 06:02.03 | streuner | well, apt has some language c. thingie :-) |
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| 06:02.13 | streuner | c. stands for CONTROL |
| 06:03.55 | random | mmm conflicts all fixed, thanks all :) |
| 06:04.02 | random | now to get it working how it was before reboot |
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| 06:04.44 | random | can any one help with a tip on the following situation: we are running several linux servers now and we have some sandbox ones we test install things on...but the uptimes are so long that we forget what's been done to the live ones |
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| 06:04.51 | hr1 | hi, i am getting following error while doing apt-get install package name : error 100 |
| 06:04.58 | hr1 | what could be the reason ? |
| 06:05.01 | random | and some things seem to break every half a year or so when they are rebooted (power outage longer than the ups time etc) |
| 06:05.12 | random | yet since we can't remember what has been done to them it's hard to trouble shoot |
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| 06:06.19 | liable | bash_history?? |
| 06:06.31 | streuner | what time is it in brasil? |
| 06:06.31 | liable | random: keep a log of what you do? |
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| 06:07.38 | dabreegster | script! |
| 06:07.50 | peterS | streuner: $ TZ=Brazil/East date Mon Jul 17 03:07:29 BRT 2006 |
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| 06:08.20 | hburchey | random, Just rsync them. |
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| 06:08.52 | peterS | streuner: but I note that there are 4 timezones in Brazil |
| 06:09.03 | streuner | oh |
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| 06:10.47 | hr1 | hi, where do i get the apt-get error codes dcoumentation |
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| 06:11.42 | nile | interesting. dpkg only talks to you if you're in #debianL |
| 06:11.46 | nile | #debian?* |
| 06:12.21 | peterS | nile: no, only if you're in at least one channel that dpkg is in. doesn't have to be #debian. |
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| 06:12.51 | nile | peterS, okay, thanks |
| 06:13.03 | belracu | which is the best Firewall (simple one ) to start using Iptables |
| 06:13.07 | peterS | nile: you'll notice on irc.debian.org it's in several channels. here it's only in one public one |
| 06:13.28 | liable | 2 |
| 06:13.33 | nile | are the free java implementations (results of 'apt-cache search java-virtual-machine') pretty much the same? I just want to be able to run java applets on the web |
| 06:14.03 | peterS | liable: then why does it only give one channel when I ask? I suspect the other one you're seeing isn't a public channel |
| 06:14.53 | peterS | nile: you don't want a java virtual machine so much as a java plugin for your web browser. _that_ will require a JVM, to be sure |
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| 06:15.23 | liable | peterS: unless its changed, it was always in #debian-bots |
| 06:15.33 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
| 06:15.43 | peterS | liable: yes, it's in #debian-bots ... on irc.debian.org |
| 06:15.49 | peterS | Daveman. |
| 06:15.49 | nile | peterS, ah, right. but are all the implementations pretty equivalent for my purposes? |
| 06:15.55 | Daveman | Hello |
| 06:15.57 | liable | oh, they moved that channel over.. |
| 06:16.12 | peterS | nile: I don't use a browser java plugin so I couldn't say |
| 06:16.23 | nile | peterS, thanks then |
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| 06:16.39 | liable | peterS: no, its on freenode too |
| 06:16.46 | roxy_ | Is there a way to copy a DVD and changing its region at the same time ? |
| 06:17.02 | peterS | liable: then apparently it isn't a public channel, so /whois will only list it if you are in that same channel |
| 06:17.24 | peterS | nile: I suspect that, among the free JVMs, gij is the best. but I don't actually know this |
| 06:17.29 | liable | shrug |
| 06:18.28 | mikos | hello all, I am trying to build my own kernel but have this strange(?) behavor. I give make-kpkg --revision=mykernel.1 the kernel builds OK but it install in /lib/modules/2.6.17/ . Last time I did that it installed in /lib/modules/2.6.17-mykernel1/ . Has anything changed? Am I doing something wrong? |
| 06:19.07 | nile | roxy_, is there a reason you want to have a region-encoded DVD? |
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| 06:21.25 | roxy_ | nile: yes my gf is zone I and I am zone II. We want to watch our DVD on our computer without having to change the dvd player's zone. If better way to do, please tell me. |
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| 06:24.56 | nile | I believe playing the DVD under Linux requires breaking CSS and region coding, so it should work if that's the platform you're on.. |
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| 06:25.29 | brownie17 | hi, when i try to go to http://127.0.0.1:631/ it asks for a password. what will it be? |
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| 06:25.56 | liable | brownie17: put roots in, otherwise you cant manage the printers |
| 06:25.59 | nile | brownie17, your root password, probably |
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| 06:26.03 | trajiks | [sigh] well i got the updates and all and got the kde, i then typed startx, the screen was all messed up and gave me an error code. i'm spent. i don't know what to do now since it won't even load up gui |
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| 06:26.41 | streuner | trajiks: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 06:26.49 | liable | trajiks: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (pick the vesa driver for your card) |
| 06:27.00 | peterS | you should note that just because someone tells you to type your root password somewhere doesn't mean you _should_. it's the right answer in this case, but don't take our word for it (I could be lying too). be careful with that sort of thing. |
| 06:27.04 | trajiks | i will have to restart, how do i know the vesa?? |
| 06:27.12 | liable | errr, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:27.55 | liable | trajiks: its a generic driver for video cards. |
| 06:28.35 | roxy_ | nile: I used CSS and played DVD with kaffeine and mplayer, but still had to have a player of the same region than the DVD |
| 06:29.33 | trajiks | brb, i'm sure i will be up all night. thanks again! |
| 06:29.35 | roxy_ | nile: or to be more precise, I can play with kaffeine DVD from zone II and not from zone I. My DVD player is set to zone II. |
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| 06:30.53 | rosen37 | Hello |
| 06:31.59 | brownie17 | peterS, no worries, whenb they said it i remembered |
| 06:32.02 | Agrajag- | gday, a while back i used a secure formatting tool which would write stuff to the hdd multiple times before a format, doing it's best to make data unrecoverable. i can't remember what it's called and my searches haven't brought up anything - anyone happen to know? |
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| 06:32.36 | peterS | Agrajag-: 'shred' from coreutils will do that |
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| 06:32.47 | peterS | well, except the formatting part |
| 06:33.05 | rosen37 | I m searching an information about authentification by networks. Currently we are using NIS to connect us to the network and we have our home on a nfs partitoin. But I know this is not very secure. SOmeone know if a better solution is existing ? LDAP.?? Whant do you think about nis/nfs? |
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| 06:33.43 | peterS | rosen37: yes, ldap is like the new nis. it's more flexible and secure than nis, it's much more popular and arguably less annoying than NIS+ |
| 06:33.53 | Agrajag- | peterS: yeah shred was one i found, but from it's description it only does a single file? i want to do the whole hdd |
| 06:34.10 | dabreegster | Agrajag-: Set it at /dev/hdX? |
| 06:34.12 | peterS | Agrajag-: the whole hdd is the "/dev/hdc" file. shred will work on that. |
| 06:34.21 | Agrajag- | ah yeah good point. ta |
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| 06:34.56 | rosen37 | peterS: so you advice me to change to ldap. Is it possible to use nfs with ldap? and is there a solution to have ldap master/slave? |
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| 06:35.31 | rosen37 | and what is kerberos? |
| 06:35.44 | peterS | rosen37: I actually haven't deployed LDAP servers, so I only know their capabilities second-hand. yes, you can use NFS with LDAP - there's nothing particularly integrated about NFS and NIS, they are just often associated with each other because they both came from Sun and they both use ONC RPC. |
| 06:36.35 | rosen37 | peterS: okok I m googling to find info about ldap now :) |
| 06:36.38 | peterS | rosen37: kerberos is another authentication server infrastructure which is much more complex than ldap, both to understand how it works and to set it up |
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| 06:37.39 | peterS | rosen37: the problem with ldap is that the only ldap server in debian is 'slapd', which is OpenLDAP, which is not all that great (especially compared to NDS, the commercial product Netware Directory Service) |
| 06:38.01 | evilgeek | as far as i can tell, LDAP is just a cheap database system with some input validation strapped on. |
| 06:38.05 | peterS | though people say openldap is at least better than Microsoft Active Directory |
| 06:38.17 | rosen37 | peterS: mmh ok |
| 06:38.41 | nevyn | Active Directory is ldap |
| 06:38.42 | nevyn | sortof |
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| 06:38.46 | peterS | evilgeek: well, the point of a directory service is that it's optimised for lookups, as opposed to updates. the input data type stuff is kind of secondary |
| 06:38.50 | evilgeek | kerberos is actually a rather sophisticated authentication system. it is considerably more versatile, unless i totally know nothing about ldap. |
| 06:39.14 | peterS | nevyn: yes it is, but from what I've heard it's crap compared to NDS, and even compared to openldap |
| 06:39.22 | evilgeek | peterS: sure. i still don't think there's anything more to LDAP than a database plus goofy input validation. |
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| 06:39.26 | nevyn | it's not so bad.. |
| 06:39.32 | nevyn | their schema is less flexible |
| 06:39.33 | peterS | evilgeek: quite so |
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| 06:40.05 | peterS | evilgeek: and the database is organised around hierarchy rather than a flat space of tables. of course, it's not hard to emulate either schema using the other |
| 06:40.58 | trajiks | 0000:01:00.0 vga compatible controller s3 inc savage 4 for the lspci -v ((I think another issue is the /dev/input/mice)) |
| 06:41.18 | peterS | trajiks: yeah that's the 'savage' display module for xfree86 / xorg. |
| 06:41.41 | trajiks | so vesa was correct? |
| 06:42.19 | peterS | trajiks: either 'vesa' or 'savage' is correct. savage will be faster. |
| 06:42.37 | peterS | trajiks: well, it's called either 'savage' or 's3savage', I can never remember |
| 06:42.38 | evilgeek | trajiks: vesa is a general-purpose video driver. it is almost always "correct", in that it will almost always work. |
| 06:42.46 | rosen37 | mmh I just need an info, kerberos can be use with ldap and nis?? this a module to encrypt data? or we can encrypt with ldap without kerberos? |
| 06:42.46 | evilgeek | 's3' is for the virge? |
| 06:42.59 | peterS | evilgeek: I think the virge is called 's3virge'. s3 is for even older chips |
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| 06:43.02 | evilgeek | kerberos can be used with LDAP, yes. i don't know about NIS, though. |
| 06:43.26 | evilgeek | peterS: oh, oops. i think i've always used the s3 driver for my virge card. |
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| 06:43.27 | trajiks | peterS: concerning the /dev/input/mice, is there something i should have done there since it said "can't open" , yea i chose vesa and the screen was still messed up so not sure about that |
| 06:43.33 | trajiks | ill try savage i guess? |
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| 06:44.10 | peterS | trajiks: for /dev/input/mice, the message may be a mere warning, I can't be sure, it depends on various factors. you can silence it with 'modprobe mousedev' |
| 06:45.05 | evilgeek | i'd assume that kerberos and NIS would get along in some limited capacity. |
| 06:45.07 | peterS | evilgeek: it's possible that recent X servers have switched to a s3 meta-driver that loads the correct driver for your chip - kind of like the 'ati' driver that loads the right driver (mach64, rage128, radeon) |
| 06:45.29 | trajiks | ok I will attempt to reconfigure again, it's definately a video issue then? |
| 06:45.51 | peterS | trajiks: not definitely. vesa usually should work. but if you have a choice of vesa vs. savage, savage will be the better driver. |
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| 06:45.53 | evilgeek | i've never actually tried to get kerberos and LDAP to work with each other in any nontrivial way. there exists a system that has all of the account information (login shell and so forth) in LDAP with authentication done via kerberos. |
| 06:46.49 | trajiks | peterS: thanks again for the help from all, vesa didn't work, but i will attempt the other one and see if there is any change. |
| 06:46.59 | evilgeek | vesa didn't work?! |
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| 06:47.32 | peterS | evilgeek: it's still possible that the video driver wasn't his only problem |
| 06:48.26 | knt | Why do stupid debian packages enable X support in emacs? Isn't it possible to disable X support and run it everytime in console mode? |
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| 06:49.11 | roodmerk | Why do stupid emacs users not just disable it and run vim rather then complain? ;-) |
| 06:49.17 | peterS | knt: you could, uh, install the 'emacs-nox' package, maybe? |
| 06:49.21 | random | haha you beat me to it |
| 06:49.36 | peterS | I mean emacs21-nox, but whatever |
| 06:50.28 | knt | peterS: But I didn't specify anything while installing. I just typed apt-get install emacs21. Damn packagers! |
| 06:50.33 | peterS | (I try not to sound condescending, but when someone calls something "stupid" when it's not, I make exceptions) |
| 06:51.34 | knt | Anyway, I must thankful that emacs package doesn't depend on any MTA or MySQL. |
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| 06:52.31 | random | lol |
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| 06:55.21 | tojik | Hello everyone, I have ntfs partition. Can I somehow browse it from Debian? |
| 06:56.00 | trajiks | well the video issue is resolved i think, now it just says [[fatal server error:failed to intalize core devices]] |
| 06:56.12 | peterS | tojik: sure, so long as you don't need to _write_ to it. |
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| 06:56.21 | peterS | tojik: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdwhatever /mnt |
| 06:56.28 | tortoise | how do I go from testing to unstable |
| 06:56.33 | peterS | tojik: well, 'mount -r -t ntfs' to avoid the warning about read-only |
| 06:56.40 | tortoise | its been years since I've had a debian install.. so I've forgotten |
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| 06:56.52 | peterS | tortoise: if you have to ask, it's probably not a great idea. but edit your sources.list file |
| 06:57.26 | tortoise | peterS: should I rename etch to sid.. or to unstable |
| 06:57.33 | tojik | peters: mount: special device /dev/hdwhatever does not exist |
| 06:57.56 | peterS | tojik: yes, hdwhatever does not exist. use a device which does. read /proc/partitions to get some ideas along those lines. |
| 06:58.23 | tojik | peterS: oops :D |
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| 07:01.09 | trajiks | so erm, is there something i need to reconfigure for that aspect? |
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| 07:02.04 | peterS | trajiks: what core devices? is this still about /dev/input/mice? |
| 07:02.09 | davis | hello |
| 07:02.20 | trajiks | well it still gives that error code |
| 07:02.29 | trajiks | but the screen is no longer blue and messed up |
| 07:02.34 | trajiks | it just goes black and crashes |
| 07:02.43 | trajiks | then takes me back to login |
| 07:02.56 | peterS | trajiks: yeah so, if it _is_ a mouse thing ... is your mouse PS/2 port or USB port connected? |
| 07:03.08 | trajiks | ps/2 |
| 07:03.15 | peterS | trajiks: and are you running kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? |
| 07:03.26 | trajiks | 2.4 "i think" |
| 07:03.43 | p0t_ | how do i downgrade gcc? |
| 07:04.14 | peterS | trajiks: then 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' again, and choose /dev/psaux for the mouse address, rather than /dev/input/mice |
| 07:04.16 | tojik | peterS: I didn't understand anything in /proc/partitions :( |
| 07:04.46 | peterS | tojik: it's a list of disks and filesystems. if you don't know which filesystem is the one you want, you just might be out of luck. |
| 07:05.11 | trajiks | thnx i will try that peterS |
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| 07:05.44 | peterS | tojik: each hard disk is in the form hda or sdb. each partition on the disk is in the form hda1 or sdb5. you should be able to figure out, from the partition layouts and sizes, which one you want |
| 07:08.39 | tojik | peterS: I used nano for reading. I found the partiotion I want but it has no any hda or sdb |
| 07:09.09 | peterS | tojik: use your imagination then. it'll be some device in the /dev directory |
| 07:09.46 | tojik | peterS: there are about 40 hda :) |
| 07:10.06 | peterS | tojik: if you really have that many partitions and you don't know what they are, that's a bit worrying in itself |
| 07:10.21 | peterS | (technically, you can have up to 63 per disk, btw) |
| 07:10.54 | tojik | peterS: In fact I have only 3 partiotions |
| 07:12.31 | Vasistha | tojik: those exist in the /dev tree in the unlikely event that someone might want them ... just because they exist in /dev does not mean you actually have that many partitions! |
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| 07:13.17 | tojik | Vasistha: So how can I find the partiotion I want? |
| 07:13.38 | SlayerXP | morning ladies, gentlemen and others. |
| 07:13.59 | Vasistha | tojik: fdisk -l |
| 07:14.49 | davis | i am new to tomcat and cruise control. However, I have done as the documentation specifies and have copied a cruisecontrol.war file to the /var/lib/tomcat5/webpps direcotry on my debian server. I can see http://localhost:8180/ default tomcat webpage, but I get a java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.util.PropertyPermission ccname read) |
| 07:15.24 | davis | error when I try ot view http://localhost:8180/cruisecontrol |
| 07:15.34 | davis | any advice? |
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| 07:16.35 | tojik | fdisk -l has no result |
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| 07:19.07 | tojik | So can anyone help me? |
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| 07:21.38 | nile | tojik, what does the command output? anything? |
| 07:22.30 | tojik | nile: It shows nothing |
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| 07:23.08 | Lord-ChewY | where is the cgi-bin directory by default on this distro |
| 07:24.17 | SlayerXP | Lord-ChewY: find / -t type d -name cgi-bin |
| 07:24.24 | roodmerk | under /usr/lib |
| 07:24.24 | SlayerXP | err no |
| 07:24.31 | SlayerXP | Lord-ChewY: find / -type d -name cgi-bin |
| 07:24.35 | Lord-ChewY | just used locate |
| 07:24.39 | Lord-ChewY | got a few possabilities |
| 07:24.46 | Lord-ChewY | /usr/lib/w3m/cgi-bin |
| 07:24.48 | Lord-ChewY | ? |
| 07:25.05 | SlayerXP | Lord-ChewY: we don't know |
| 07:25.10 | SlayerXP | that _might_ be right |
| 07:25.15 | SlayerXP | it's unlikely though |
| 07:25.34 | SlayerXP | the only way to be completely sure is to check your apache configuration |
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| 07:26.03 | tojik | SlayerXP: can you help me to mount the NTFS partition? |
| 07:26.43 | SlayerXP | tojik: mount -t ntfs /dev/[device][partitionnumber] /path/to/mountpoint |
| 07:27.21 | tojik | SlayerXP the problem is that I don't know device and partition number. Can I find it somehow? |
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| 07:27.58 | SlayerXP | tojik: yes, use dmesg to find the device name, then fdisk -l to list the partitions |
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| 07:29.14 | trajiks | Hey again! |
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| 07:29.26 | tojik | SlayerXP fdisk -l has no result |
| 07:29.41 | SlayerXP | tojik: then you have the wrong device |
| 07:29.58 | RvGaTe | BHSPitLappy, i made it !!! :D |
| 07:30.34 | tojik | SlayerXP: What means "wrong"? The wrong drivers? |
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| 07:30.54 | trajiks | Well it seems we are gradually moving. I finally got into kde. Seems as though when I scroll the desktop turns white, also when connecting to websites the speed is slow and the 3rd thing is when I logged out of kde it froze which made me manually restart. Any ideas/suggestions. When someone gets a chance. |
| 07:31.16 | peterS | trajiks: those sound like video driver issues. you're using the savage driver now? |
| 07:31.23 | trajiks | yes sir |
| 07:31.39 | peterS | I thought your savage 4 chip was well supported, perhaps I was mistaken |
| 07:32.02 | trajiks | vesa doesn't work and so neither does savage, so what are my alternates? |
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| 07:32.15 | Gnea | maybe it's the speed of the processor - i've noticed that KDE is a hog to system resources by default |
| 07:32.42 | trajiks | yea, i have a whopping 1ghz processor so that might be an issue |
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| 07:33.02 | Gnea | trajiks: have you tried tweaking any of the desktop settings? |
| 07:33.24 | Gnea | like, turning off translucency and things like that |
| 07:33.29 | trajiks | Gnea: I would if I could scroll without the window getting all white |
| 07:33.48 | Gnea | trajiks: have you tried fluxbox? |
| 07:33.50 | trajiks | also the screen size would prolly be better at 1024x768 which not sure how to change that |
| 07:34.01 | Gnea | oh my |
| 07:34.01 | trajiks | fluxbox?? |
| 07:34.15 | Gnea | !fluxbox |
| 07:34.15 | dpkg | hmm... fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
| 07:34.17 | peterS | trajiks: it is possible that recent updates have happened in the savage driver. you could attempt to install a backported xserver-xorg package from backports.org. |
| 07:34.34 | evilgeek | trajiks: how does vesa fail? |
| 07:34.58 | trajiks | i am not sure evilgeek, the screen goes blue even with vesa |
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| 07:35.19 | Gnea | trajiks: it's basically a lightweight window manager - in a situation like yours, i'd use it to test to see if the shading problems you're having (where the menu/screen goes all white) occurs in another environment |
| 07:35.44 | Gnea | trajiks: as for the resolution, editting your X config file can fix that |
| 07:35.52 | evilgeek | trajiks: like, upon login? when starting X? when you try to do something specific in X? when you fuck around with xvidtune or something? |
| 07:36.47 | trajiks | well, it autologin's to kde so whatever it does from the point that start up kernal |
| 07:37.05 | trajiks | i have xp on one hd and debian on the other/slave |
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| 07:38.04 | romulo | when using gnome, my default theme dont apply for glade like interfaces(the gimp, glade programs) but it does for xchat, gaim, epiphany, what could that be? |
| 07:38.47 | Darkpadden | romulo, some use gtk other use qt etc... |
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| 07:39.24 | romulo | Darkpadden, its gtk, im sure, i made the dialog on glade |
| 07:39.43 | romulo | and the theme looks horrible.....gaim is gtk too |
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| 07:43.50 | SlayerXP | ghm, it seems several deb mirrors are borked |
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| 07:57.33 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:57.34 | dpkg | hmm... qotd142 is <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
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| 08:01.58 | nomed | hi all |
| 08:02.28 | nomed | do you know if the mentors.debian.net source code is available ? |
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| 08:06.23 | norc | how can i list the init scripts that are started at boot? |
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| 08:08.12 | nile | norc, you can install sysv-rc-conf for a nice interface that lets you control what starts |
| 08:08.22 | liable | norc: /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 08:08.44 | nile | norc, but the scripts that are run at each run-level are at /etc/rc?.d |
| 08:09.01 | norc | mhm. ok. thanks. :) |
| 08:11.47 | norc | oh, the /etc/inittab is rather what i was looking for |
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| 08:14.56 | nile | norc, oh, doh. ;) |
| 08:17.12 | RichiH | does anyone else have problems with the 2006 key? |
| 08:18.12 | nimak | how do i get stuff to stop messing with my /etc/mailcap? |
| 08:18.18 | nimak | it keeps changing :-P |
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| 08:18.55 | norc | nimak: chmod 444 /etc/mailcap ? :P |
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| 08:19.25 | nimak | thats not a bad idea |
| 08:19.39 | roodmerk | stabby |
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| 08:19.55 | azeem | RichiH: hrm, yeas |
| 08:21.15 | nimak | RichiH, me too |
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| 08:27.17 | naus | I have problems with gnome and vncserver. The vncserver is up but i just cant connect to it |
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| 08:31.41 | mikos | can anyone please help me with the kernel issue I am having |
| 08:31.59 | norc | mikos: what kernel issue? |
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| 08:32.34 | mikos | norc I am trying to build my own kernel but have this strange(?) behavor. I give make-kpkg --revision=mykernel.1 the kernel builds OK but it install in /lib/modules/2.6.17/ . Last time I did that it installed in /lib/modules/2.6.17-mykernel1/ . Has anything changed? Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 08:50.23 | RichiH | azeem, nimak: k, thanks |
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| 09:01.01 | vick | After installing, although i have a network card and i use to have eth0. Now i dont have eth0 only sit0 and lo |
| 09:01.14 | vick | Actually i am not sure if i used to have eth0, but network was working before |
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| 09:02.14 | streuner | vick: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 09:02.45 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:02.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 09:02.57 | vick | streuner: eth0: registered as PCNET/PCI some stuff |
| 09:03.07 | vick | device eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 09:03.26 | vick | eth0: no ipv6 routers present |
| 09:03.27 | vick | device eth0 left promiscuous mode |
| 09:03.43 | vick | whenever i run dhclient, it gets no answer |
| 09:04.01 | streuner | what does 'lspci -v | grep -i eth' say? |
| 09:04.17 | vick | No lspci |
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| 09:04.30 | streuner | ok, install it then |
| 09:04.35 | vick | how come ? |
| 09:04.37 | vick | heh. |
| 09:04.40 | vick | eth0 is not running. |
| 09:04.45 | liable | it should be installed.. |
| 09:04.51 | vick | liable: Why ? |
| 09:05.19 | liable | vick: cause its part of an essential package iirc |
| 09:05.30 | streuner | vick: packages.debian.org/pciutils |
| 09:06.06 | liable | hrm, its optional anyway.. |
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| 09:06.21 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# apt-cache show pciutils, Package: pciutils, Priority: optional |
| 09:07.42 | streuner | vick: anyway, take a look into /msg dpkg interfaces and try to modprobe the module for your NIC |
| 09:08.20 | streuner | vick: cat /proc/version |
| 09:08.33 | streuner | do you have a custom kernel or an official one? |
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| 09:11.17 | vick | Sorry for that, was disconnected. |
| 09:12.44 | vick | so any ideas why eth0 doesn't appear in ifconfig ? |
| 09:13.19 | Gnea | vick: because it's not up? |
| 09:14.28 | vegiVamp | anyone ever try to install sarge on a dell pv745N ? |
| 09:14.40 | vegiVamp | seems to hang on loading sd_mod |
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| 09:16.43 | mneisen | Hello, I am really new to Debian (not to Linux, though). If I have a stable system running along nicely, what do I have to do to "upgrade" it to testing/unstable? Is it sufficient to simply alter /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 09:17.36 | Ronin | mneisen: pretty much but if its working nicely why ? |
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| 09:18.47 | vick | Gnea: How do i make it up ? |
| 09:18.56 | vick | Gnea: ifconfig eth0 up gives me an error |
| 09:19.04 | ktwilight | mneisen, you need to apt-get update first though |
| 09:19.08 | mneisen | Ronin: The "working nicely" described a plain new install, and I need newer versions of some packages, f.e. MySQL, PHP, ... |
| 09:19.08 | ktwilight | then you're all set |
| 09:19.16 | Gnea | !paster |
| 09:19.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 09:19.18 | vick | Gnea: While getting interface flags: no such device |
| 09:19.30 | Gnea | then the module probably didn't load for it |
| 09:19.48 | vick | How do i know which module is for it ? |
| 09:20.07 | Gnea | well that depends, what kernel and branch are you using? |
| 09:20.17 | mneisen | Ronin: Additional question: Are there differences between "normal" Debian for i386 and Debian 64 bit w.r.t. the availability of packages? |
| 09:20.35 | vick | Gnea: kernel 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 09:20.41 | vick | Gnea: "etch" |
| 09:20.59 | mneisen | ktwilight: Thanks for the hint to apt-get update, I just missed it ... :-( |
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| 09:21.09 | ktwilight | :) |
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| 09:21.21 | Gnea | vick: what is the output of: lspci | |
| 09:21.23 | Gnea | oops |
| 09:21.37 | Gnea | vick: what is the output of: lspci | grep Ethernet ? |
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| 09:22.29 | vick | Gnea: i dont have lspci |
| 09:23.07 | Gnea | vick: why not? |
| 09:23.23 | Gnea | vick: is pciutils installed? |
| 09:24.11 | liable | vick: would you stop telling us you dont have it, and just install it already! |
| 09:24.34 | vick | Gnea: No. |
| 09:24.45 | Gnea | vick: you know what you have to do now. |
| 09:24.45 | vick | liable: How do i install it if i dont have network on ? |
| 09:24.58 | liable | vick: you have a cd? |
| 09:25.03 | vick | No. |
| 09:25.06 | liable | install cd |
| 09:25.15 | vick | what would lspci help u in ? |
| 09:25.16 | Gnea | how can you not know what nic is in there? |
| 09:25.27 | Gnea | it'd tell you what the bloody card is |
| 09:25.50 | vick | what if i find another way to figure that out |
| 09:25.55 | Gnea | !tell vick about newbiedoc |
| 09:26.02 | mneisen | Are there differences between "normal" Debian for i386 and Debian 64 bit w.r.t. the availability of packages? |
| 09:26.14 | mneisen | !tell me about newbiedoc |
| 09:26.16 | Gnea | vick: we'll be waiting |
| 09:26.52 | vick | Gnea: Realtek RTL8139/810x |
| 09:27.01 | vick | Gnea: Fast Ethernet NIC |
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| 09:30.05 | b_52Free | boys and girls : i am connected true arouteur ; when i am on DHCP mode adressing i have no problem ; when i switch to a static adress configuration ; i have slow resolution of dns quesry (i use etherconf for the configuration ) |
| 09:30.29 | koriel | hi all why can't I see the ssl service running from apache2 |
| 09:30.31 | koriel | ? |
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| 09:31.26 | koriel | I include in apache the ssl.load and ssl.conf files |
| 09:31.53 | koriel | but even though I start it with ssl start there is no service running at port 443? |
| 09:32.30 | mneisen | Are there differences between "normal" Debian for i386 and Debian 64 bit w.r.t. the availability of packages? |
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| 09:40.43 | Knight_Lord | Is there any current problem with the nvidia-glx driver? My Xorg seems to crash whenever i don+t commment out the Load glx |
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| 09:41.51 | Knight_Lord | I+m running sid |
| 09:41.56 | ktwilight | koriel, did you edit listen.conf? |
| 09:43.58 | zhllg | deb-make belongs to which pkg? |
| 09:44.54 | azeem | zhllg: deb-make is deprecated |
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| 09:45.05 | azeem | zhllg: do you mean dh_make? |
| 09:46.07 | zhllg | azeem, probably. what's its replacement? |
| 09:46.17 | azeem | debhelper |
| 09:46.24 | zhllg | ic, thank yo |
| 09:46.31 | azeem | what do you want to do? |
| 09:46.51 | zhllg | make a deb from scratch |
| 09:46.59 | zhllg | from source |
| 09:47.01 | azeem | then you probably mean dh-make |
| 09:47.22 | zhllg | OK, gotcha |
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| 09:53.00 | koriel | ktwilight: no I didn't what is that file about? |
| 09:53.55 | ktwilight | just modify the file to listen on 443 ;) |
| 09:54.05 | koriel | ktwilight: and where is this file? |
| 09:54.18 | ktwilight | should be /etc/apache2 |
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| 09:54.46 | koriel | no such file in there |
| 09:54.54 | ktwilight | no kidding |
| 09:55.08 | ktwilight | oh right, it's called ports.conf |
| 09:55.10 | ktwilight | my bad :) |
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| 09:55.40 | koriel | there is only a listen 80 in there |
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| 09:55.55 | ktwilight | ah |
| 09:56.06 | ktwilight | so i'm guessing, you would need to add Listen 443 after the first line ;) |
| 09:56.37 | freakynl | heya, i'm using syslogd and need to have it log events from remote hosts. however, i can't seem to find an option in syslog.conf to have it log everything locally to /var/log/messages and have everything coming in from external hosts to other files (like /var/log/<ip other host> |
| 09:58.29 | ktwilight | how's it koriel? |
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| 10:00.38 | koriel | ktwilight: ok i'm listening on port 443 now..all it's left is to configure apache2 to use it |
| 10:01.08 | ktwilight | nice! :) check out debian-administration.org it's a great place :D |
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| 10:02.06 | jones- | morning. How can I execute a command automatically right away resume from suspension on a laptop? |
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| 10:02.48 | krenin | hi |
| 10:03.00 | NetBandit | hello |
| 10:03.01 | NetBandit | any perl guru here in the know of how to get all child pids of a perl proces within the script (so not with ps)? |
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| 10:04.26 | vick | Hello. |
| 10:04.30 | vick | Gnea: Are you still there ? |
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| 10:06.11 | eps | what dictionary do I want to install for openoffice? myspell or aspell? |
| 10:08.59 | krenin | what is the name of the program for debian that checks bug reports at apt-get install time and you can mark them to install or not install? |
| 10:09.12 | petemc | apt-listbugs |
| 10:09.18 | krenin | thanks :) |
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| 10:10.37 | krenin | hmm, are you sure it's called that? I can't find it... what is the package name that it is under? |
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| 10:13.31 | davis | i am |
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| 10:13.38 | petemc | dpkg -S `which apt-listbugs` |
| 10:13.38 | dpkg | Package: `which apt-listbugs`: Status: install ok installed |
| 10:13.39 | petemc | apt-listbugs: /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs |
| 10:14.46 | krenin | hrm |
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| 10:15.39 | krenin | it's not showing up in synaptic |
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| 10:17.37 | krenin | hmm i think it's only in unstable and not in testing now? |
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| 10:18.18 | liable | !+info apt-listbugs etch |
| 10:18.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:18.25 | dpkg | Package 'apt-listbugs' does not exist. |
| 10:18.42 | liable | !why is apt-listbugs not in testing |
| 10:18.42 | dpkg | apt-listbugs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=apt-listbugs |
| 10:18.43 | krenin | ok I found it, thanks for the help guys |
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| 10:22.09 | Ignite_ | is "testing" "sid"? |
| 10:22.47 | liable | no, testing is etch |
| 10:23.01 | Ignite_ | ok thanks |
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| 10:25.13 | aeolus | I am installing Debian Sarge and want to know which "Archive access method for apt:" to select. |
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| 10:25.31 | eps | probably web |
| 10:25.41 | aeolus | "http"? |
| 10:25.45 | eps | yeah that or ftp |
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| 10:26.13 | aeolus | OK, now I get a whole bunch of mirrors... should I select one really close? |
| 10:26.23 | seeds | yes |
| 10:26.26 | eps | yes |
| 10:26.47 | aeolus | ooh 164kb/s :) |
| 10:26.53 | eps | lol |
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| 10:26.58 | seeds | nice |
| 10:26.58 | eps | yeah the mirrors are good |
| 10:27.23 | seeds | indeed debian is hip |
| 10:27.37 | vick | How do i know which module is for Realtek RTL8139/810x fast ethernet ? |
| 10:27.38 | setog3 | hip ? |
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| 10:27.53 | freakynl | vick: 8139too |
| 10:28.13 | seeds | great |
| 10:28.21 | Tallu | Pfft. I finally got the chance to upgrade my 233mhz rig. Well, someone gave me a 1,8ghz amd socket a cpu and a mobo to go with it, and another guy gave me 2gbit of ddr ram and a decent zalman cooler.. that only goes to the newer sockets. :P So I suppose I'll have to put in some money after all |
| 10:28.37 | aeolus | cool |
| 10:28.59 | Ignite_ | heh, i've had a socket A mobo in my drawer waiting to be used since last may >_> |
| 10:29.57 | Tallu | Yeah, now I just can't decide if I should just buy a decent case to make the socket a processor less noisy or get a new mobo and processor and have a silent computer like that, until the psu starts cranking. :P |
| 10:30.53 | Ignite_ | well, 64bit is all the rage now, if i had the money i would be going 64bit myself |
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| 10:31.12 | Tallu | Yeah, you do have a point there |
| 10:31.17 | liable | !moo |
| 10:31.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 10:33.44 | Ignite_ | hrm, is there a net install image for sid? etch is a little too outdated for my liking ;) |
| 10:34.19 | oggis__ | huh |
| 10:34.29 | oggis__ | the images are the same |
| 10:34.47 | Ignite_ | oh |
| 10:34.52 | Ignite_ | :D |
| 10:34.53 | yang | I am only able to use my scanner as root, which permissions do I have to set to use it as a user? |
| 10:34.59 | oggis__ | that is, you can install sid with sarge netinst |
| 10:35.59 | davis | i am trying to figure out how to use the init.d/iptables script. What do I use for ht e ruleset files? in /var/lib? |
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| 10:36.32 | Ignite_ | oggis__, you mean just do an install then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:37.53 | Ignite_ | damn it... i think my mum has done a runner with my CD-RW :( |
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| 10:40.03 | oggis__ | ignite_: it asks you which distribution you'd like during the installation |
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| 10:42.18 | Ignite_ | oggis__, ah ok great, i was going to install etch earlier so already have the image downloaded, does that one ask also? |
| 10:42.28 | Ignite_ | gah, i can't find my CD-RW :'( |
| 10:43.36 | seeds | how can i upgrade to etch from sarge? |
| 10:43.59 | simonrvn | dpkg: tell seeds about sarge->etch |
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| 10:44.47 | seeds | thanks simonrwn |
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| 10:45.03 | seeds | will the kernel be upgraded too? |
| 10:45.07 | simonrvn | np |
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| 10:45.20 | simonrvn | no, you have to do it explicitly |
| 10:45.33 | Ignite_ | hrm, is it possible to install from a USB pen drive? it seems my mum has taken my CD-RW again.... :'( |
| 10:45.51 | simonrvn | yes. install guide says how |
| 10:45.56 | seeds | k |
| 10:45.57 | Ignite_ | alright, thanks <3 |
| 10:47.01 | simonrvn | i just woke up, my sense of humour hasn't kicked in yet |
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| 10:48.09 | fresch | hi, i wrote a script to modify the sitelists of dansguardian in php. after these files have been modified i want to run /etc/init.d/dansguardian reload to load the changes. this needs to be run as root. i created a file i/usr/local/bin/filter-reload.sh which simply executes /etc/init.d/dansguardian reload. i then used chmod u+s to set the SUID bit on that script, so the php file can execute this script and have dansguardian reload the config. |
| 10:48.09 | fresch | the problem is it doesn't work, any suggestions? |
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| 10:48.46 | floundering | p0t_: you have the chown problem still? |
| 10:50.00 | simonrvn | also unsafe... there's some packages where you can do that sort of thing more safely |
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| 10:53.47 | crazy_penguin | Good day all! |
| 10:56.08 | floundering | p0t_: I did that as well.. (used a slash instead of a dot with find) so I used find to get a list of permissions off a similar debian machine, made a script with it and ran it (I think from knoppix). far from perfect but ... |
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| 11:00.13 | Ignite_ | hey, i'm reading: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en โฆ where do i find the file hd-media/boot.img.gz ? |
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| 11:02.25 | Ignite_ | :'( |
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| 11:04.25 | Ignite_ | wtf |
| 11:04.56 | Ignite_ | where can i find the file hd-media/boot.img.gz ? i've looked everywhere and the documentation says to download it yet doesn't specify where.. |
| 11:05.21 | petemc | Ignite_: presumably the install iso, probably the first cd? |
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| 11:05.36 | Ignite_ | i've just looked |
| 11:05.41 | Ignite_ | :( |
| 11:05.57 | petemc | you have the first cd ? |
| 11:06.13 | Ignite_ | i have the ISO of the net install image |
| 11:06.20 | liable | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/hd-media/2.6/ |
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| 11:07.24 | liable | how the fuck do i get something from git? |
| 11:07.26 | Ignite_ | yay there it is :D |
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| 11:08.00 | syst3m | hi |
| 11:08.03 | liable | Ignite_: that info is hidden in the ig :) |
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| 11:08.06 | seeds | what terminal command can i type to see what distro am running? |
| 11:08.18 | Ignite_ | the ig? |
| 11:08.21 | syst3m | uname -a |
| 11:08.30 | liable | Ignite_: install guide |
| 11:08.45 | Ignite_ | ah... i should have looked harder >_> |
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| 11:08.58 | Ignite_ | can't concentrate, the heat is getting to me :P |
| 11:09.05 | syst3m | what is the console command to see all installed packets? |
| 11:09.14 | seeds | i meant to see if it is sarge or etch |
| 11:09.16 | liable | configure: error: proto-XExtProto is now maintained at: git://git.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/proto/proto-XExtProto |
| 11:09.19 | liable | Please use that repository. |
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| 11:09.23 | liable | how do i get that?? |
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| 11:09.47 | liable | seeds: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
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| 11:10.10 | seeds | ok liable |
| 11:10.14 | codeshepherd | when i ping some ip .. it puts up a message saying " Time to live exceeded" ... does it mean the ip is not reachable ? |
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| 11:10.56 | Ignite_ | syst3m, cat /etc/debian_version โฆ might be slightly different, i'm using ubuntu atm, just preparing to install debian :) (i need more control lol) |
| 11:11.14 | syst3m | ^^ I will test it |
| 11:11.20 | krenin | see ya later... |
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| 11:12.16 | syst3m | But i want al list of all installed packets, not my Debian Version |
| 11:12.52 | petemc | dpkg -l |
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| 11:13.54 | Ignite_ | erm |
| 11:13.58 | Ignite_ | oh that was seeds |
| 11:14.03 | Ignite_ | >_P< |
| 11:14.05 | Ignite_ | >_<* |
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| 11:14.45 | Ignite_ | ah bugger "cp: writing `/mnt/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso': No space left on device" xD |
| 11:15.30 | seeds | ya |
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| 11:16.17 | seeds | i did not see etch though running that command |
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| 11:18.38 | syst3m | does anyone know how to configure / start swat? |
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| 11:19.25 | liable | syst3m: from inetd, it should have been added to the conf for you |
| 11:19.51 | syst3m | when I start swat with command "swat" nothing happens |
| 11:19.56 | TML | Anyone know wheter the beta2 debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso is still broken ? |
| 11:20.43 | TML | syst3m: When you start swat, it's a service. Go to a browser and open localhost:901 |
| 11:21.06 | liable | syst3m: you acces it from a browser on localhost:901 |
| 11:21.09 | syst3m | oh, i though it is Port 80 :/ |
| 11:21.15 | syst3m | thanks |
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| 11:22.17 | syst3m | can i access this page remotely, from another computer, because I only have ssh |
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| 11:23.18 | RvGaTe | stoned, ? |
| 11:24.10 | TML | syst3m: ssh -L <somelocalport>:<remotehost>:901 |
| 11:24.25 | TML | Err, wait, backwards. :) |
| 11:25.10 | TML | Or not. Sorry, it's 4am, I'm not at 100%. |
| 11:25.17 | TML | It's either a -L or a -R. |
| 11:25.29 | syst3m | ^^ ok |
| 11:26.27 | TML | If you want to forward a port on the local machine to 901 on the remote side, it'd be -L. I'm just having trouble thinking about what you're trying to do. |
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| 11:28.20 | syst3m | now i have a new ssh connection, but this helps me not?! |
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| 11:28.30 | syst3m | I use Putty from my NT Maschine |
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| 11:28.45 | liable | syst3m: you can use links over ssh |
| 11:28.51 | liable | easiest way |
| 11:29.10 | syst3m | but i cant display web pages in console |
| 11:29.29 | liable | its a text viewer |
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| 11:33.48 | syst3m | what should i do now? I sit here at my NT Maschine want to use Internet Explorer zu configure samba over web, have a new SSH connection, but this doesn't help me! |
| 11:34.40 | syst3m | ~easy tar |
| 11:34.51 | syst3m | wrong window ;) |
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| 11:41.17 | danstaman | hello does anyone here use fetchmail? |
| 11:41.19 | fresch | an entry in /etc/sudoers like "www-data ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/dansguardian" would allow a php script to execute "/usr/local/dansguardian -g" right? |
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| 11:41.57 | TimeRider | anyone point Me to a *stable* amd64 port? |
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| 11:44.14 | lehmama | is it usual for debian that it compiles the whole kernel again if i changed one file only? |
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| 11:47.28 | infernix | if I can't make a harddisk bootable with both lilo and grub, what options do i have left? |
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| 11:48.03 | infernix | lilo executes fine but doesn't load (not even LI or LI 01 or LI 80). Grub doesnt boot, gives a Hard disk error. |
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| 11:48.29 | infernix | tried running grub-install from with in a chroot, tried setup (hd0) from a bootable CD, bootable USB stick, and from within the chroot |
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| 11:48.33 | infernix | all to no avail |
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| 11:49.46 | freakynl | infernix: ? que pasa you sure that disk ain't broken? never had any troubles with grub |
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| 11:50.17 | fresch | help, i cannot get dansguardian to reload its config, except when /etc/init.d/danguardian reload|restart is invoked by root. it does not reload|restart when i use sudo dansguardian -g |
| 11:51.59 | infernix | same here freakynl |
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| 11:52.55 | eifzon | i got a problem when i shall install my netinstall, i have searched and searched and i dont find my network card in the Detect network hardware, i have looked up what 1 i got but i dont find it? :( |
| 11:54.04 | danstaman | does anyone here use fetchmail? |
| 11:54.43 | danstaman | i am needing some help with setting it up on Debian |
| 11:55.54 | Fox | danstaman: use fetchmailconf |
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| 11:56.50 | danstaman | okay thanks |
| 11:57.29 | Fox | yaw |
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| 12:01.22 | b_52Free | do you any cool sho them up to kill the time ? |
| 12:01.54 | petemc | parse error |
| 12:03.23 | Fox | b_52Free: what ? |
| 12:03.49 | syst3m | so what should i do now? |
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| 12:04.39 | Fox | syst3m: have a nap ? |
| 12:04.40 | b_52Free | do you know any cool game "a shoot them up " under linux to kill the time |
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| 12:05.25 | doneir | b_52Free, enemy territory: return to castle wolfenstien, bzflag |
| 12:05.25 | Mitja | b_52Free, cube |
| 12:05.34 | Fox | b_52Free: apt-cache search shoot them up |
| 12:05.46 | lakez | return to castle wolfenstien is so old tho |
| 12:05.50 | b_52Free | enemy territory is not a shoot them up |
| 12:06.18 | doneir | it's still played lakez, if you want uber gfx and top-of-the-line play, then you gotta pay ;) |
| 12:06.25 | Fox | funny, didn't know tha frozen bubble was a shoot them up :) |
| 12:06.37 | petemc | you shoot things, up |
| 12:06.46 | doneir | you shoot a ball at other balls? |
| 12:06.55 | lakez | i have that game somewhere .. it was one of the coolest games ever but it's so old and it's probably riddled with cheats |
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| 12:07.07 | lakez | DEORBIT BURN WWW.NASA.GOV |
| 12:07.18 | lakez | shuttle coming back to earth now.. tune in.. 30 seconds |
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| 12:09.26 | Ronin | lakez: been there done that killing work bandwidth :) |
| 12:09.45 | lakez | kill it.. last time iw atched.. shuttle burnt up .. |
| 12:09.48 | lakez | good tv |
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| 12:10.34 | eifzon | anyone here that is good at debian netinsall? |
| 12:10.35 | eifzon | install |
| 12:10.38 | RvGaTe | I know this isn't Debian related... but does anyone know a good video to display in a showroom (big hdtv)... |
| 12:10.54 | ktwilight | projector you mean? |
| 12:11.07 | RvGaTe | ktwilight, hdtv, no projector, just a big lcd |
| 12:11.11 | linuxdesktop | I have Adaptec aar81xx SATA HostRAID Controller |
| 12:11.16 | ktwilight | oh dunno |
| 12:11.20 | klikklak | lakez: try tremulous ... I haven't gotten around to playing it yet, but it was mentioned in linux-gamers |
| 12:11.38 | linuxdesktop | cat /proc/scsi/scsi gves Type: Direct-Access |
| 12:11.46 | eifzon | I need help with my debian netinstall, i can find my ethernet?? what shall i do to fix that? |
| 12:11.48 | linuxdesktop | i get this erro sda: asking for cache data failed |
| 12:11.57 | linuxdesktop | what does it mean |
| 12:12.12 | lakez | RvGaTe, theme it.. if it's a real estate gig.. feature real estate |
| 12:12.16 | lakez | whatever is on top |
| 12:12.18 | lakez | topic |
| 12:12.21 | linuxdesktop | sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 12:12.26 | lakez | klikklak, i'll check that out |
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| 12:12.56 | linuxdesktop | I have Adaptec aar81xx SATA HostRAID Controller |
| 12:12.58 | linuxdesktop | cat /proc/scsi/scsi gves Type: Direct-Access |
| 12:13.02 | linuxdesktop | i get this erro sda: asking for cache data failed |
| 12:13.04 | linuxdesktop | sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
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| 12:16.50 | Ignite_ | hey, i've just finished installing debian sarge, someone told me i would be able to choose which version i wanted during the install... i wasn't given that option, how do i upgrade to etch? just edit /etc/apt/source.list and change all sarge to etch? |
| 12:17.09 | ktwilight | yes Ignite_ |
| 12:17.12 | Tallu | Think I'll run into trouble if i just take the HD from a 233mhz pentium that has the 686 kernel and plug it into a 1,8ghz power-beast, what should i do to ensure that all goes fine? |
| 12:17.13 | Ignite_ | ok thanks :) |
| 12:17.37 | RvGaTe | lakez, its a computer parts showroom :S |
| 12:17.40 | ktwilight | Ignite_, just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after modifying sources.list |
| 12:18.33 | lakez | RvGaTe, feature the latest hardware .. increase sales |
| 12:18.42 | kingsley | What's the name of flashy the new X desktop that looks like a rotating cube? (I seem to recall that Sun released it.) |
| 12:18.48 | Ignite_ | ktwilight: ok thanks, thought thats what i should do, wasn't completely sure though :) |
| 12:18.54 | ktwilight | :) |
| 12:19.07 | ktwilight | new X desktop... |
| 12:19.11 | ktwilight | xgl? |
| 12:19.34 | Ignite_ | kingsley: compiz is the window manager for it, AIGLX if you have OSS drivers or Xgl propriety |
| 12:20.10 | epsilon | If I setup a new router, should I take 2.4.32 or 2.4.33-rc-something with various netfilter fix? |
| 12:20.17 | zinx | if it was sun, it would be Looking Glass |
| 12:20.20 | Ignite_ | IIRC AIGLX is incorporated into x.org 7.1 |
| 12:20.30 | liable | yup |
| 12:20.31 | zinx | but that's hardly flashy or new, and it's java :/ |
| 12:20.57 | Ignite_ | Xgl is being developed by Novel |
| 12:21.14 | kingsley | ktwilight, Ignite_ & zinx: Thanks. |
| 12:21.15 | Ignite_ | AIGLX by the Fedora community |
| 12:21.18 | Ignite_ | np |
| 12:21.59 | kingsley | I'm looking for a flashly linux desktop for my child. |
| 12:22.18 | Ronin | kingsley: flashing desktop? what wm? |
| 12:22.25 | Ignite_ | well, AIGLX/Xgl and compiz are _very_ alpha and unstable |
| 12:22.40 | Ignite_ | well... not sure about AIGLX now |
| 12:22.51 | Ignite_ | seeing as its been merged with xorg 7.1 and all |
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| 12:23.08 | kingsley | Ignite_: Uh oh... |
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| 12:25.06 | Ignite_ | kingsley: i tried out AIGLX/compiz on ubuntu dapper a while ago, the only problem was gnome-panel would be all white and xchat was all white, a few other programs might be the same |
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| 12:27.16 | Shadowcat | why exactly are we discussing ubuntu in here? |
| 12:27.22 | Ignite_ | we arn't |
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| 12:27.49 | hl | hi all |
| 12:28.01 | Ignite_ | i was just pointing out i had a degree of success with it with that software |
| 12:28.10 | Ignite_ | hi hl |
| 12:28.13 | hl | i'm in trouble with the resolution |
| 12:28.28 | Ignite_ | ? |
| 12:28.35 | hl | i've just installed etch in a new machine |
| 12:28.38 | Shadowcat | !specific |
| 12:28.38 | dpkg | somebody said specific was specifics is probably just saying 'it doesn't work' or 'what is wrong' will get you nowhere. be specific. |
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| 12:28.55 | hl | and through the xorg.conf seems to be right |
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| 12:29.19 | ktwilight | what resolution do you want it to be? and what do you actually have now hl? |
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| 12:29.19 | _Qwerty | but where his else discuss? |
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| 12:29.46 | hl | both gnome and kde admit only a 640x480 |
| 12:30.03 | hl | a 1024x768 would be ok... |
| 12:31.07 | Ignite_ | check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:31.16 | hl | it seems ok... |
| 12:32.33 | hl | it shows all the configurations from 1280.... |
| 12:32.33 | sepski | h1obviously it isn't otherways youd see higer resolutions |
| 12:32.33 | sepski | h1 perhaps your monitors v/h syncs are off disabeling the higer frqencies ? |
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| 12:32.33 | hl | where can I show you the xorg.conf? |
| 12:32.39 | Ignite_ | hl: pastecode.com |
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| 12:33.49 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've set up bleutooth and both mine computers sees themselves but: if i click network access on the remote it asks for a pin and whatever i digit it says it's wrong how do i set the pin in linux ? |
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| 12:35.07 | hl | http://pastecode.com/1559 |
| 12:35.11 | hl | here it is... |
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| 12:36.49 | hl | sepski where can I see if it rejectes high freq? |
| 12:37.15 | sepski | h1 just compare your hsync vrefresh with your monitors spesifications |
| 12:37.27 | hl | welll |
| 12:37.29 | sepski | or just run drxx and pick a easier monitor config methodf |
| 12:37.31 | sepski | !drxx |
| 12:37.31 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 12:38.42 | MsgToThePpl | ok now how do i share the connection to the internet beetween two machines linked via bluetooth , i've tried NetWork Access point from the remote pc and it connected but the computer does not goes on to the internet |
| 12:38.44 | MsgToThePpl | why ? |
| 12:38.58 | Shadowcat | bluetooth? |
| 12:39.02 | Shadowcat | are you insane? |
| 12:39.14 | hl | I don't believe it is a monitor itself problem... |
| 12:39.26 | hl | I already used it with linux |
| 12:39.27 | sepski | h1 nobody sait it was |
| 12:39.59 | hl | so a monitor configuration problem? |
| 12:40.46 | MsgToThePpl | Shadowcat> why ? |
| 12:40.57 | MsgToThePpl | it works nicely using windows why not using linux ? |
| 12:41.02 | sepski | h1 in X you configure a set of wanted resolutions and a set of monitor capabiliteis if your wanted resolutions exceed your monitor capabilities you dont get access to those resolutions. so you just need to rerun drxx and choose the correct settings all over' |
| 12:41.17 | Shadowcat | because bluetooth isn't dsigned for networking |
| 12:41.29 | MsgToThePpl | btw it almost all configured just need to route incoming requst from the laptop to the internet |
| 12:41.30 | Shadowcat | i.e. the protocol sucks in that particular implementation |
| 12:41.39 | Shadowcat | man route |
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| 12:42.12 | linrunix | hi |
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| 12:53.02 | saintiss | anyone using konqueror? |
| 12:54.17 | Ronin | !anyone |
| 12:54.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:54.43 | saintiss | fine... |
| 12:54.54 | saintiss | I've got a website here on which a few links are not clickable |
| 12:55.04 | saintiss | however, if you press ctrl, they do get an access key assigned |
| 12:55.11 | saintiss | so they should work, and they do with e.g. mozilla |
| 12:55.55 | saintiss | any ideas? |
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| 13:00.11 | freakynl | how to enable mysql in php? got php/apache running, but get undefined call to function (mysql_connect) have enabled the mysql.so line in /etc/php/apache/php.ini |
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| 13:01.25 | ktwilight | which package has lspci? |
| 13:01.45 | trym|work | how do I force install config files that come with a package? |
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| 13:01.54 | petemc | !tell ktwilight about search |
| 13:01.54 | trym|work | ktwilight: pciutils |
| 13:01.56 | freakynl | ktwilight: not familiar with debian, but with us it's pciutils |
| 13:01.59 | freakynl | or pci-utils |
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| 13:03.03 | ktwilight | thanks petemc, trym|work and freakynl :) |
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| 13:05.36 | keith80403 | freakynl, On this Sarge system, "dpkg -S /usr/bin/lspci" shows "pciutils: /usr/bin/lspci" |
| 13:05.39 | LaoTseu | hi |
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| 13:06.17 | trym|work | apt-file comes in handy a lot |
| 13:06.22 | freakynl | keith80403: talking to the wrong guy :) |
| 13:06.25 | trym|work | any snmp wizzes here? |
| 13:06.52 | keith80403 | freakynl, Woops, sorry. |
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| 13:07.10 | eifzon | hello |
| 13:07.15 | freakynl | anyone know why my php4/mysql isn't working? installed apache, php4, php4-mysql, enabled the extension = mysql.so in php.ini but still get undefined function on mysql_connect |
| 13:07.36 | trym|work | maybe you need the mysql client lib ? |
| 13:07.50 | trym|work | but it should be installed automatically |
| 13:08.06 | freakynl | shouldn't be required. it should all be in the mysql.so from php4-mysql i think |
| 13:08.32 | eifzon | i have installed debian netinstall, and i installed: apt-get install gdm, why wont my X start, i get an error like this; line 2: /usr/bin/x11/X; file or catalogue cannot be found, line 2: exec: /usr/bin/x11/X: cannot execute |
| 13:08.59 | eifzon | what is wrong.. |
| 13:09.48 | petemc | did you install x-window-system? |
| 13:09.55 | eifzon | i just wrote: apt-get install gdm ? |
| 13:10.06 | petemc | and i asked you did you install x-window-system |
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| 13:10.11 | eifzon | no? |
| 13:10.13 | eifzon | i just did that |
| 13:10.24 | eifzon | how do i write to install x-window-systen |
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| 13:10.35 | petemc | same as you did for gdm |
| 13:10.47 | petemc | 'cept replace gdm with x-window-system |
| 13:10.47 | eifzon | apt-get install x-window-system ?:S |
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| 13:11.18 | eifzon | does it matter if i installed gdm first..? |
| 13:11.24 | petemc | it shouldnt |
| 13:11.27 | eifzon | ok |
| 13:11.33 | eifzon | then i just write: startx? :o |
| 13:11.42 | petemc | use you initiative |
| 13:11.45 | petemc | +r |
| 13:11.53 | keith80403 | eifzon, Try those suggestions, i just went through that last week. |
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| 13:12.57 | eifzon | a pop up came |
| 13:13.02 | eifzon | Select the desired X server driver |
| 13:13.04 | eifzon | what shall i use? |
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| 13:13.18 | petemc | eifzon: try just hitting enter every time |
| 13:13.29 | eifzon | its: vesa |
| 13:13.38 | petemc | thats nots great.. |
| 13:13.48 | eifzon | ?? |
| 13:13.50 | eifzon | hu? |
| 13:13.51 | petemc | !!! |
| 13:13.52 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 13:14.07 | eifzon | why not petemc? |
| 13:14.11 | eifzon | omg? |
| 13:14.13 | eifzon | how do iget back |
| 13:14.20 | petemc | its no biggie |
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| 13:14.22 | eifzon | ok |
| 13:14.25 | eifzon | it came 1 other thing |
| 13:14.30 | eifzon | Please sleect your keyboard variant |
| 13:14.34 | petemc | jesus |
| 13:14.34 | eifzon | what shall i write there |
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| 13:16.24 | ktwilight | well, depends on where you're from eifzon and what keyboard you have |
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| 13:16.38 | ktwilight | is it qwerty with a $ or ยฃ? or a european keyboard? |
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| 13:17.08 | Mardus | aka: qwerty with a "tall" Enter or a large Enter button? |
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| 13:18.50 | eifzon | how do i change my screen resolution? |
| 13:19.42 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 13:19.57 | dsl701 | l |
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| 13:20.07 | ktwilight | you need to define your vertical and horizontal thing of your monitor eifzon |
| 13:21.07 | petemc | you shouldnt really |
| 13:21.40 | eifzon | how? |
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| 13:21.58 | petemc | !tell eifzon about set up x |
| 13:22.11 | ktwilight | oh |
| 13:22.22 | k31th | anyone got any multi user add scripts for ldap ? |
| 13:22.44 | eifzon | ktwilight, but i need to download graphic drivers for my graphiccard |
| 13:23.01 | abrotman | k31th: ask #ldap |
| 13:23.14 | abrotman | Mardus: you're alive! |
| 13:23.33 | ktwilight | eifzon, then download your graphics drivers :) |
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| 13:24.22 | eifzon | iam not really sure how to do.. |
| 13:24.31 | eifzon | iam using nvidia |
| 13:24.35 | ktwilight | ah so |
| 13:24.53 | ktwilight | i dunno how to set up nvidia on sarge, sorry. :/ |
| 13:25.07 | eifzon | ok |
| 13:25.14 | eifzon | can it be, Linux IA32? |
| 13:25.30 | petemc | !tell eifzon about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 13:26.54 | IseeIsee | is debian good at low end machines ? |
| 13:27.40 | petemc | woody installer will work in machines with > 12meg ram |
| 13:28.16 | Mardus | abrotman: Hi. I just moved to what I call a "new place" and I have yet to figure out how t set up dialup with woody (I got the CD somewhere, too), but I need to transfer some stuff away, so I could get some free space for dialup packages (there's like <100Mb left). I was thinking about a spare HDD I had lying around somewhere. |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:28.24 | Ryushin | I can't seem to find out what file I change to affect permissions on /sys. Anyone know which file this is? |
| 13:28.29 | eifzon | petemc, why doesent: apt-get install irssi work? |
| 13:28.43 | IseeIsee | is debian good at low end machines ? |
| 13:28.45 | petemc | eifzon: irssi-text maybe |
| 13:29.17 | Ryushin | IseeIsee: How low end? |
| 13:29.18 | eifzon | petemc how? |
| 13:29.19 | eifzon | command |
| 13:29.19 | eifzon | ffs |
| 13:29.20 | eifzon | : |
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| 13:29.20 | Mardus | abrotman: I'm currently using very archaic stuff for the net: Win95 (the very first one, with SP1 installed), a 14.400 modem and Netscape 3.04 (on a 212Mb HDD) |
| 13:29.26 | petemc | moron |
| 13:29.30 | abrotman | Mardus: pppconfig |
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| 13:29.45 | Ryushin | IseeIsee: What do you want to do on it? |
| 13:29.47 | eifzon | what is the command to download irssi? |
| 13:29.50 | Mardus | abrotman: Ok (re pppconfig) |
| 13:29.59 | Mardus | eifzon: apt-get install irssi |
| 13:30.02 | petemc | no |
| 13:30.14 | petemc | in sarge, its apt-get install irssi-text |
| 13:30.20 | abrotman | eifzon: apt-cache search irssi .. install it |
| 13:30.25 | abrotman | erm .. install what you find |
| 13:30.26 | Ryushin | isee: I've run debian as a firewall, web server, mail server, on a i386 40 mhz I had lying around. |
| 13:30.33 | Mardus | petemc: I didn't know the package name, though |
| 13:30.41 | petemc | eifzon: if you cant make the logical jump to subsistute one package name for another, you're gonna have big problems |
| 13:31.05 | IseeIsee | i wanna install jdk & do wireless java toolkit (bluetooth development) & firefox |
| 13:31.11 | petemc | Ryushin: it doesnt support 386 any more |
| 13:31.27 | Mardus | petemc, Ryushin: There's always NetBSD. |
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| 13:31.41 | Mardus | Ryushin: My main comp is currently a P120 with 32M RAM. The Linux HDD is a 2Gb one, but almost full. |
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| 13:32.47 | mansu | hi all |
| 13:33.02 | Ryushin | petemc: Well, it was running potato and now woody. I haven't upgraded it to sarge yet. So you saying that sarge won't work on the i386? |
| 13:33.20 | Mardus | Ryushin: I have two other machines, which have 32M RAM, too and one another that has 40... |
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| 13:34.23 | petemc | Ryushin: probably not, i havent tried tho, i dont believe a 386 could provide enough use to warrant the power it would consume |
| 13:34.24 | mansu | i was trying to install vlc player on my system yesterday and apt failed with an unmet dependency... now when i try to install another utility, i am unable to move forward without resolving this, i am ok with removing vlc, but apt-get remove does not seem to do the job |
| 13:34.32 | Ryushin | There is 16 MB in the 386. |
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| 13:34.45 | eifzon_ | :o) |
| 13:35.13 | ktwilight | ... |
| 13:35.33 | eifzon | ktwilight how can i setup my desktop so i can see a meny down and shit :P |
| 13:35.34 | Ryushin | Hmm.. I'll image it before the upgrade then. But maybe it's time to retire the 386 and finally put it out to pasture. |
| 13:35.37 | petemc | mansu: tried apt-get -f install |
| 13:35.48 | ktwilight | eifzon, that depends on what desktop environment you have |
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| 13:35.56 | eifzon | iam using gnome |
| 13:36.05 | IseeIsee | Mardus which distro you run on your old machines ? |
| 13:36.16 | mansu | petemc, ya tried it, but it is removing some other apps, which it is not supposed to touch.. they are shared libraries... |
| 13:36.36 | ktwilight | ah gnome. gnome should be quite straight forward eifzon, if in doubt, check their docs at their website ;) |
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| 13:36.50 | eifzon | or shall i use something other then gnome? |
| 13:36.59 | ktwilight | no, gnome is good for you |
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| 13:37.30 | eifzon | ok |
| 13:38.13 | Mardus | IseeIsee: They are all old. I managed to install Linux on one of them a year and a half ago and woody was the announced stable release then. In the longer term, I'm going to install woody on others, too and then in custom-compile some larger apps for them, go through compilation errors and then I might as well learn how to create .deb packages, so that other people could also benefit. |
| 13:38.31 | Mardus | * and then custom-compile |
| 13:39.43 | Mardus | The current plan is to clean up the new place, then redecorate the furniture there and have that "new place" party, I don't know how it's called in English. |
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| 13:42.36 | cydork | hey does anyone know which files set the limit for history command? |
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| 13:43.02 | petemc | cydork: HISTFILESIZE |
| 13:43.07 | petemc | its an env var |
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| 13:43.44 | cydork | pemtemc: and what is HISTSIZE? |
| 13:43.59 | petemc | ermm, its one or the other.. |
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| 13:44.04 | petemc | suck it and see |
| 13:44.26 | eifzon_ | i have installed debian/gnome, how do i set up a panel? |
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| 13:45.03 | ktwilight | eifzon http://google.com/search?q=gnome+howto+panel :) |
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| 13:47.53 | Mardus | abrotman: Meanwhile, I've been lounging around Orkut's Free Software community and actively suggesting free software alternatives to proprietary software. That community is rife with people from India and Pakistan and they all want "this and a fix" or "this and a crack" or a "crack of this" or a "[proprietary software] crack" |
| 13:48.18 | abrotman | Mardus: good man! |
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| 13:48.44 | ktwilight | i want apt-cache show <package> to display a package off backports, how is it possible when i also have the normal deb urls in sources.list? |
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| 13:49.32 | eifzon_ | ktwilight: i was following that guide :S |
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| 13:50.38 | ktwilight | you may have missed out something eifzon, just dig through their website :) |
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| 13:51.52 | eifzon_ | ktwilight: i have done apt-get install gdesk... |
| 13:51.59 | eifzon_ | I dont find the System tab |
| 13:52.22 | ktwilight | eifzon, ask in #gnome ? :) |
| 13:52.27 | ktwilight | i don't use gnome, sorry. |
| 13:52.42 | eifzon_ | how do i switch windows in irssi? |
| 13:52.51 | eifzon_ | alt+1234... doesent work |
| 13:53.27 | abrotman | /win # |
| 13:53.32 | LaoTseu | <esc> <num> |
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| 13:53.55 | eifzon | ok |
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| 13:54.27 | dorileo | hey guys I coudln't find a library - libXt.so.6 is it still in debian? what package? |
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| 13:55.34 | the_mug | how could I install ruby 1.8.4 ? I'm using backports. |
| 13:55.43 | Shadur | dorileo: dpkg -S says libxt6 |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | dorileo: which version of debian? |
| 13:55.50 | the_mug | debian wants to default to 1.8.2 |
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| 13:56.50 | dorileo | abrotman: sid |
| 13:57.09 | abrotman | !find libXt.so.6 sid |
| 13:57.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXt.so.6' returned no results. |
| 13:57.30 | dorileo | abrotman: yeah... I got it too |
| 13:57.38 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 13:57.51 | abrotman | dorileo: apt-cache search libxt |
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| 13:59.02 | ktwilight | the_mug, tried apt-get install -t sarge-backports ruby? |
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| 14:01.05 | the_mug | ktwilight: yeah... and it still wanted 1.8.2... what's the command to search through the packages.. again? |
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| 14:01.54 | ktwilight | apt-cache search <package> |
| 14:02.04 | ktwilight | did you do a apt-get update after you modified sources.list? |
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| 14:02.18 | dorileo | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:03.46 | the_mug | ktwilight: yup |
| 14:04.08 | ktwilight | weird, no idea :/ |
| 14:04.09 | the_mug | ktwilight: I mean I'm using the backports already... used it to install the 2.6.16 kernel |
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| 14:04.20 | ktwilight | ... |
| 14:04.35 | Mardus | abrotman: I was then cynically thinking that they wanted software _and_ crack, to get their fix... |
| 14:04.35 | ktwilight | but that's just the kernel |
| 14:04.44 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:05.19 | the_mug | ktwilight: I know... I searched for it but all of those only say: 1.8 |
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| 14:07.12 | ktwilight | aha! apt-cache show does show all packages from different sources. i wish i can scrollback in screen :/ |
| 14:07.31 | Soeki | less is more ;o |
| 14:08.21 | Gavrila | hi guys, I need an advice on how to configure beagled to work nicely on a laptop, has anyone any experience about that? |
| 14:08.35 | liable | a [ gives screen buffer |
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| 14:09.10 | ktwilight | ? |
| 14:09.18 | ktwilight | what's before "a [" |
| 14:09.40 | petemc | conrtol |
| 14:09.44 | petemc | control |
| 14:10.00 | ktwilight | oh |
| 14:10.29 | ktwilight | i've got an empty buffer :/ *goes read more 'bout screen* |
| 14:10.40 | ktwilight | thanks :) |
| 14:10.52 | eifzon_ | anyone that is good on: nVidia drivers for debian here? |
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| 14:12.22 | stew | ktwilight: 'ctrl-a esc' will let you scroll back |
| 14:12.30 | cydork | Gavrila: What are you using ? Sarge/etch ? |
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| 14:12.46 | Gavrila | cydork, sid |
| 14:13.28 | mtomczak | Can anyone recommend a good log reader / condenser tool for apache log files? I'd like to find something that could run statistics for me so I don't have to eye-crawl through every log entry. |
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| 14:13.39 | ktwilight | Oooo thanks stew! |
| 14:13.53 | ktwilight | is there a nutshell commands for screen? or is it all in man pages? |
| 14:14.02 | _mh | mtomczak, analog & webalizer may be worth looking into |
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| 14:14.10 | asg | ktwilight: ctrl+a ? |
| 14:14.30 | ktwilight | yea |
| 14:14.43 | ktwilight | i only know ctrl+a p and n, c and d and q? |
| 14:14.48 | ktwilight | nevermind |
| 14:14.50 | ktwilight | found it all |
| 14:15.05 | cydork | Gavrila: have you installed it? |
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| 14:16.53 | Gavrila | cydork, yes it's only a matter on which settings would be best on a laptop, given that battery maximization is the objective |
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| 14:17.21 | i4linux | hi there! :-) |
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| 14:17.53 | i4linux | do you know how could I send a message to people by command line, like when you halt the system ? |
| 14:18.13 | stew | i4linux: wall |
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| 14:19.05 | redhog | Heyas, does anyone know dfsbuild? I need to get it to install packages from non-free (sun java)... |
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| 14:19.30 | i4linux | stew, Hi! I try to use it, but it keeps saying "will not read use stdin" all the time :-( |
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| 14:19.52 | asg | i4linux: type wall ; type your message ; hit CTRL+D |
| 14:20.39 | stew | i4linux: or: echo "your message" | wall |
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| 14:21.08 | i4linux | Great! |
| 14:21.19 | i4linux | Thanks asg stew :-D |
| 14:21.22 | asg | i4linux: you can also put your message in a file and then run 'wall file' |
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| 14:21.45 | Gavrila | and another 1Bln dollar question, is there a way to move window buttons from right to left (mac-like) in Metacity? |
| 14:22.07 | knt | Can I customize nagios-common package to not install mysql, ntp, mta related packages? |
| 14:22.24 | knt | Like USE flags in gentoo. |
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| 14:23.50 | guilherme-jorge | anybody already worked with dazuko? |
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| 14:25.02 | LocalServXP | Top Paidmailer: http://www.mager-mails.de/?refid=5720 or http://www.mailcasher.de.gg/ ; You wanna get free Smileycodes for Knuddels? Check http://www.smileycode.de.ms/ |
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| 14:25.29 | abrotman | YAY ... smileycodes for knuddels .. |
| 14:25.34 | Mardus | Gavrila: It depends on your window manager, but most window managers should allow it either through a config file or through a graphical interface (I've seen that in Gnome and I know it's possible in KDE) |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | wtf is knuddels? |
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| 14:25.51 | Mardus | abrotman: I dunno, but something in German. |
| 14:25.57 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 14:26.02 | Gavrila | Mardus, yes I'm talking about Metacity window manager |
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| 14:26.50 | Mardus | Gavrila: Search "configure metacity" in Google (sans quotes) |
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| 14:27.24 | i4linux | Have a nice day all! |
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| 14:27.55 | cydork | Gavrila: you can do that in gconf-editor |
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| 14:28.56 | Mardus | abrotman: Apparently a brandname of knuddels.de or somesuch: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuddels |
| 14:29.06 | abrotman | don't really want to know :) |
| 14:29.30 | Gavrila | cydork, Mardus thanks I got it |
| 14:30.50 | Mardus | abrotman: It's a German chat/dating service for teens. |
| 14:30.57 | Andy_CARP | hi all, Iดm trying to evaluate hylafax on a production server (son I can't restart it). To do that I need (according to hylafax documentation) to change within my inittab where says mgetty by faxgetty, waht I did. But when I tried to kill the mgetty processm it re-start over and over. How can I avoid the mgetty to be restarted and start instead of it faxgetty and all without restart the server? |
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| 14:35.15 | abrotman | Andy_CARP: i don't recall doing that ... |
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| 14:35.47 | Mardus | bye |
| 14:35.57 | abrotman | Andy_CARP: yeah .. i don't see anything ilke that in nmine |
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| 14:36.50 | uwe | hello, im using debian etch/testing, and i just realised that i dont have apt-setup anymore! and i cant find it with apt-get eather! what replaced it? |
| 14:37.25 | Andy_CARP | abrotman the change isin the hylafax documentation.... if you don't have the faxgetty attending the modem how can you receive faxes? |
| 14:37.27 | stew | uwe: nothing |
| 14:37.41 | RvGaTe | uwe, you root ? |
| 14:37.42 | stew | uwe: /msg dpkg apt-setup ; /msg dpkg base-config |
| 14:37.43 | Ronin | !tell uwe about apt-setup |
| 14:38.22 | uwe | thanks everyone! |
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| 14:40.13 | lng | hi! how to crack passworder rar? |
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| 14:41.02 | RvGaTe | lng, its probably password protected for a reason... :) |
| 14:41.09 | Ronin | lng: email the person you got it from |
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| 14:41.26 | lng | Ronin, it's taken from P2P |
| 14:41.33 | lng | music |
| 14:41.38 | ryanakca | why do I get errors like these when running apt/aptitude: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory ? I have 4200k of ram and 52k swap available... that why? |
| 14:42.02 | Ronin | lng: have fun then, i doubt anyones going to help you with warez :) |
| 14:42.42 | RvGaTe | lng, if you dont have the password, you're basicly screwed... ask the person you got it from what the password is... there's nothing more that we can do for you.. |
| 14:42.59 | lng | ok |
| 14:43.08 | Andy_CARP | abrotman: are you receiving faxes? |
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| 14:46.38 | tanawana | Ing: sometimes where you got it from may have it noted somewhere also?? |
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| 14:47.05 | deufo | hi peeps, for some reason i can't access my ftp server thru windows explorer, but i can access it thru ms dos |
| 14:47.09 | deufo | can someone tell me why? |
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| 14:48.48 | stew | deufo: read up on passive mode vs. active mode ftp. and please find a more appropriate channel for help with windows |
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| 14:50.04 | syntaxx | im trying to install joomla but it says zlib compression support unavailable but when i apt-get install zlib1g it says already the newest version how can i fix that? |
| 14:50.52 | Covener | syntaxx: maybe it's a build-time option? |
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| 14:51.26 | stew | syntaxx: you are trying to compile joomla? |
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| 14:53.17 | syntaxx | stew, the browser installation |
| 14:53.42 | stew | syntaxx: if you are trying to compile you need the zlib1g-dev package |
| 14:53.56 | syntaxx | stew, yes i already have that also |
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| 14:54.06 | eifzon | hello.. |
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| 14:54.54 | deufo | stew, i believe its the way i set up debian, cuz when i was using suse, i can access it no problem thru windows |
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| 14:55.52 | eifzon | i got a problem with my sources.list when i shall install nVIDIA drivers, i get this error: Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. This have i added to the sources file but it still dont work: http://pastebin.ca/90257 !!! |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | Andy_CARP: yep |
| 14:56.23 | abrotman | Andy_CARP: ours has been running for .. 2-3 years |
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| 14:57.54 | stew | deufo: its got to be a problem with active mode |
| 14:58.43 | ktwilight | eifzon, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:59.11 | deufo | stew, ok, i'll have a look at it, thanks :D |
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| 15:00.33 | ShredZ | Anyone have a clue why a backup program like backupedge can make succesful backups to my /dev/sr0, but tar or command line edge keep telling me it's a read only device ? |
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| 15:00.46 | is_null | hello everybody, what am i supposed to do if i moronly rm -rf /dev ? |
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| 15:01.12 | lex | Orale gringos.... does (305) sound to you like a New Yorkish area code? |
| 15:01.28 | is_null | I have two shells on this machine, but i can't open any other one, i beleive shouldn't reboot until i fixed that ... |
| 15:01.38 | Andy_CARP | anyway, how can I change mgetty by faxgetty without restart the server? |
| 15:02.13 | abrotman | kill -1 `pidof init` ? |
| 15:02.24 | Ronin | lex: check the phone book |
| 15:03.12 | lex | Ronin, Well well, dear ronin, i would if i had one. But since im somewhere in Mexico it will be kind of hard. |
| 15:03.16 | Andy_CARP | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:03.16 | peterS | abrotman: 'telinit q' is a more polite form of the same. also, pidof init is always 1 |
| 15:03.23 | lex | Ronin, so i thoguhgt lets ask the gringos up in #debian |
| 15:03.29 | lex | :) |
| 15:03.31 | lex | Come on... |
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| 15:04.05 | peterS | lex: south florida |
| 15:04.30 | lex | peterS, You wonderful wonderful friend... :)... thanks a lot. |
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| 15:04.42 | abrotman | peterS: forgot about q .. and iknow it's '1' .. but it's probably a safer bet to do pidof |
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| 15:04.47 | peterS | lex: how do I know? because of the nifty debian package 'miscfiles' and its file /usr/share/misc/na.phone.gz |
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| 15:05.05 | lex | peterS, AH... you see ... i knew #debian had the answer! |
| 15:05.15 | lex | peterS, that is so cool though |
| 15:05.16 | abrotman | lex: google "area code 305" |
| 15:05.21 | peterS | lex: yes, it was a debian question after all (: at least, I used data shipped by debian to get the answer |
| 15:06.12 | lex | abrotman, thats the easy way... :) |
| 15:06.23 | peterS | miscfiles is a great little package, if rather American-centric in its choices of reference data |
| 15:06.25 | Andy_CARP | telinit q, works for me!! after I've killed the mgetty process, init restarted a new one but now faxgetty..:) |
| 15:06.35 | dorileo | again - I don't remember how configure the public/secret key scheme with apt... someone point me a link? |
| 15:06.45 | peterS | dorileo: the 'apt-key' script |
| 15:07.22 | eifzon | ktwilight: still problem |
| 15:07.32 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 15:07.41 | ktwilight | i nearly had a heartattack |
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| 15:08.13 | dorileo | peterS thanks, will give a try |
| 15:08.15 | Ronin | lex: mexicans dont have phone books? |
| 15:08.32 | deufo | stew, thanks, it works now, i had to load the ip tracking modules :D |
| 15:08.49 | dorileo | peterS where's the key? |
| 15:09.46 | peterS | dorileo: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc |
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| 15:09.56 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 15:09.57 | peterS | dorileo: there's probably a more intuitive location but that's the one I know |
| 15:10.06 | perlmonkey | anyone studied microbiology? |
| 15:10.17 | peterS | perlmonkey: uh, you're in #debian |
| 15:10.39 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 15:10.41 | is_null | nobody ? maybe i could boot from live cd and mount /proc and /dev ? but is it supposed to work ? if not i ruin my system ... |
| 15:10.45 | abrotman | where's pete wheny ou need him |
| 15:10.50 | abrotman | erm .. other pete .. |
| 15:11.26 | peterS | peterrooney or pete mc? oh, I guess you mean iapf |
| 15:11.26 | dorileo | peterS is the key generation anounced anywhere? |
| 15:11.31 | abrotman | peterS: admittedly .. we're probably a distinct species :) |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. pseubodot .. iapf |
| 15:12.04 | peterS | dorileo: the new key should have been pulled in automatically by an update to apt or aptitude. I don't know the details. |
| 15:12.15 | dorileo | ok |
| 15:12.33 | abrotman | !apt-key |
| 15:12.35 | abrotman | !apt-key 1 |
| 15:12.35 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1 ; gpg --export 1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 15:12.44 | abrotman | s/1/<whatevertheykeyis>/ |
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| 15:13.54 | abrotman | erm .. s/they/the/ |
| 15:14.17 | peterS | abrotman: 2D230C5F |
| 15:14.50 | abrotman | !apt-key 2D230C5F |
| 15:14.50 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 15:14.54 | abrotman | everyone happy?! |
| 15:14.56 | lex | Ronin, Not for the US |
| 15:15.24 | Ronin | abrotman: no but at 4:30:01 i sure will be |
| 15:15.25 | blondie | !ftp |
| 15:15.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 15:15.38 | lex | abrotman, Im happy... too happy... im contaminating #debian .... ill shut up |
| 15:15.38 | peterS | lex: ask him if they have phone listings for Mexico up there in Upper Canadia |
| 15:15.41 | blondie | !banana |
| 15:15.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, banana is a fruit, or banana.com, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/lucio/banana.txt, or http://www.filmbuffs.net/bananana/ |
| 15:15.59 | abrotman | Ronin: why wait! quit now! |
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| 15:16.17 | lex | He! |
| 15:16.18 | Ronin | peterS: according to my phone book its a 52 area code |
| 15:16.52 | Ronin | heh country code |
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| 15:17.24 | peterS | Ronin: right, that's the _country_ code. doesn't help much if you're asking about region codes, like he was |
| 15:17.38 | abrotman | i'm region 1! |
| 15:17.48 | peterS | abrotman: yes you are. aren't you special. |
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| 15:17.51 | lukaswayne9 | I'm making a package. I'd like to install a manpage. Where should the dh_installman mymanpage.1 go? In install:? or binary-indep:? |
| 15:18.01 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 15:18.01 | dpkg | well, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 15:18.13 | lex | Ronin, 52 is the country area code for mexico |
| 15:18.19 | Ronin | lex: soi see |
| 15:18.36 | abrotman | mexico is a country? |
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| 15:18.45 | abrotman | i feel i was denied need to know information |
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| 15:19.02 | To0X`OuT | Hi all, i have a problem with my ethernet connection. I have these messages to my screen: "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit output timed out" "eth0: Transmit timed out, status 1003,PHY status 786d, resseting..." and "eth0: Setting full duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1. |
| 15:19.05 | To0X`OuT | ) i have already setting the boot to noacpi or acpi=off |
| 15:19.09 | To0X`OuT | but nothing... |
| 15:19.13 | To0X`OuT | anyone can help me ? |
| 15:19.21 | Ronin | no it not ;) we list all the u.s ones oddly enough, course i live in the arse end of the country up here |
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| 15:19.29 | lex | abrotman, Yeah... its still a country... imagine that. Most people think its a food chain |
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| 15:19.52 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:19.59 | the_mug | what will adding this: APT::Default-Release "stable"; ... to apt.conf do? |
| 15:20.06 | peterS | abrotman: NM, on the other hand, isn't a country or a state, it's a title that stands for new maintainer |
| 15:20.23 | the_mug | I want to upgrade my ruby install to 1.8.4 (which only exists on Debian unstable) |
| 15:22.01 | abrotman | peterS: too bad there's no state like Dakota Downs so we could have DD |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | Ronin: don't you live in yellowknife? |
| 15:22.23 | peterS | abrotman: good point |
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| 15:22.35 | stew | the_mug: use a backport instead, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:22.41 | Ronin | abrotman: not even close, wrong side, im just above maine in new brunswick |
| 15:23.14 | abrotman | Ronin: oh yeah .. i've been to .. nova scotia ... |
| 15:23.26 | abrotman | i think we've discussed this before :) |
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| 15:23.44 | Ronin | quite likely heh |
| 15:24.07 | the_mug | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.12 | the_mug | oops.. |
| 15:24.38 | ktwilight | i've got a bad bad error when i execute ps <options> "Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps", running on sarge. |
| 15:24.50 | ktwilight | one of google's site tell me 'bout user_beancounters? i don't have it in /proc |
| 15:25.00 | the_mug | stew I have the backports in my sources.. yet I cannot find ruby 1.8.4 |
| 15:26.06 | peterS | I think you should give up on ruby 1.8.4 and use perl 5.8.8 |
| 15:26.16 | peterS | the numbers are higher, surely it's better for you |
| 15:26.36 | stew | the_mug: hmm, i could have sworn there was one. in that case "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" you really don't want the ruby from unstable, it would depend on you upgrading to sid's libc6, in which case you are pretty much running unstable which you probably don't want to do |
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| 15:26.50 | abrotman | peterS: by that logic he should use tcl :) |
| 15:27.00 | peterS | yes, perhaps that would be best |
| 15:27.21 | peterS | also, xemacs21 is three times as cool as vim 7 |
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| 15:27.27 | abrotman | addition by subtraction |
| 15:27.44 | ktwilight | anyone? :( |
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| 15:28.13 | peterS | ktwilight: probably a custom kernel patch for better user accounting. I have faint memories of same. go back to google and find out. |
| 15:28.29 | lunitik | What do most AudioScrobbler plugins use for Last.fm? None of the apps I see via apt-cache search scrobbler seem to depend on any one thing... other than libmusicbrainz |
| 15:28.36 | ktwilight | well, i dunno where to start after putting "Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps" in google. it only gave me 3 hits. :/ |
| 15:28.46 | the_mug | stew: well... I'll continue on with 1.8.2 until such time that I see that my apps need it... on my dev I compiled it... but I don't want to compile stuff if I don't have to. :-/ |
| 15:28.46 | ktwilight | as for kernel, am using kernel off backports |
| 15:29.29 | peterS | your problem has nothing to do with user accounting, beancounting or otherwise. it's a false hit. |
| 15:30.06 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 15:30.06 | dpkg | well, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
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| 15:30.54 | ktwilight | failing RAM! *gosh* |
| 15:31.08 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 15:32.02 | abrotman | ktwilight: time for memtest |
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| 15:32.29 | Emiml | hello |
| 15:32.30 | ktwilight | unfortunately, yes. |
| 15:33.09 | ktwilight | am going through the site now, i hope i can confirm it that it's ram before sending off a ticket |
| 15:33.13 | ktwilight | thanks abrotman and peterS :) |
| 15:33.44 | To0X`OuT | Hi all, i have a problem with my ethernet connection. I have these messages to my screen: "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit output timed out" "eth0: Transmit timed out, status 1003,PHY status 786d, resseting..." and "eth0: Setting full duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1. |
| 15:33.48 | To0X`OuT | ) i have already setting the boot to noacpi or acpi=off |
| 15:33.52 | To0X`OuT | but nothing... |
| 15:33.55 | To0X`OuT | anyone can help me ? |
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| 15:35.06 | abrotman | To0X`OuT: check the cable and switch |
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| 15:35.11 | abrotman | and the network card |
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| 15:35.24 | To0X`OuT | abrotman i have doing this so |
| 15:35.33 | To0X`OuT | the cable is good |
| 15:35.40 | To0X`OuT | i have tested it on another server |
| 15:35.53 | Emiml | are the Contents files broken? The seem to be empty. Like this one for example http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Contents-i386.gz |
| 15:36.02 | whoopsbob | I'm trying to install a package, but it keeps on asking me to insert the install CD. How can I just download it from online? |
| 15:36.22 | stew | Emiml: there is also a Contents-i386.diff directory (or something similar) |
| 15:36.54 | the_mug | whoopsbob: have you googled the name of the package? |
| 15:37.14 | whoopsbob | the_mug: I'm trying to install x |
| 15:37.21 | Emiml | stew: yest there is, but it only contains diff's from few days ago. And when I don't have recent Contents they are useless |
| 15:37.25 | stew | whoopsbob: run apt-setup |
| 15:37.44 | the_mug | whoopsbob: I'm pretty sure that's not one single package :-p |
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| 15:39.22 | stew | Emiml: oh, hmm, the last one i looked at had diffs going back 8 months or so |
| 15:39.35 | whoopsbob | the_mug: What am I supposed to do then? |
| 15:40.28 | stew | whoopsbob: run apt-setup ; or editor /etc/apt/sources.list ; (man sources.list) |
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| 15:41.08 | whoopsbob | stew: I did. Same problem |
| 15:41.10 | v|p3r | hi, there is an official server for debian distros? or all the official channels are here in freeenode? |
| 15:41.12 | Emiml | stew: Do I need old Contests.gz file to generate current contetens ? |
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| 15:42.00 | stew | Emiml: i'm not sure |
| 15:42.05 | whoopsbob | Is apt-get install x-window-system the wrong way to do this? |
| 15:42.11 | stew | whoopsbob: did you run apt-get update |
| 15:42.28 | peterS | v|p3r: irc.debian.org |
| 15:42.38 | peterS | v|p3r: of upi |
| 15:42.47 | v|p3r | petemc: thanxz a lot |
| 15:42.48 | peterS | v|p3r: if you're canny you'll notice that it points to irc.oftc.net |
| 15:43.26 | v|p3r | peterS: k :) |
| 15:43.28 | whoopsbob | stew: yes |
| 15:43.41 | Emiml | stew: I can see that there is Packages.gz file - probably to keep backward compatiblity, So I guess this Contents file is empty becoasue of some error |
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| 15:44.30 | peterS | Packages and Contents are two completely different things. one isn't a replacement for the other. |
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| 15:45.37 | stew | peterS: no i think his logic is sound. He's saying that after we moved to pdiff, there was still a pacakges.gz that was a stariting point for the diffs, but now that contents is moving to diff, the contents.gz is empty which it probably shouldn't be |
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| 15:45.50 | Emiml | peterS: Yes I know. But both are using the same mechanism. |
| 15:45.58 | peterS | aye, they are |
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| 15:46.29 | peterS | nobody seems to know why Contents is empty at the moment, but people are pointing to server troubles |
| 15:46.45 | peterS | one thing though, it's not intentional |
| 15:46.52 | stew | blame canada, and the kernel exploits |
| 15:47.10 | peterS | theo de raadt is in canada, he probably invented the sploits |
| 15:47.10 | Zvpun | I want to use a FAT32 parition from Linux using utf8 (unicode) and Windows XP. I am reading mount 8 but I am confused about codepage and iocharset. Can someone provide some pointers to easy to understand tutorials? |
| 15:47.19 | stew | hah |
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| 15:48.12 | stew | Zvpun: you can specify a "utf8" option for vfat and ntfs |
| 15:48.21 | peterS | Zvpun: I do believe you can ignore codepage, it's iocharset=utf8 you want. I think |
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| 15:48.28 | stew | Zvpun: go to the vfat mount options section of the manpage |
| 15:48.34 | mut | afternoon all |
| 15:48.53 | stew | i think its just mount -o utf8 /dev/foo /mountpoint |
| 15:48.58 | mut | has anyone used linux odbc ? got some questions about using it with access such as.. how? |
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| 15:49.18 | peterS | because vfat, particularly as used by winxp, stores all filenames as either ucs-2 or utf-16le, so codepages don't need to enter into it at all |
| 15:49.32 | peterS | I mean ucs-2le or utf-16le |
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| 15:49.40 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 15:50.03 | Pupeno | On Debian unstable, the documentation /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz says that for setting up a MySQL cluster, the config file /etc/mysql/ndb_mgmd.cnf is needed but it says nothing about what it should contain. Is it the same as the config.ini described here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster-quick.html ? |
| 15:50.33 | Zvpun | stew, peterS: are filenames on FAT32 stored in some codepage or using UTF-16? |
| 15:51.07 | peterS | Zvpun: well, see, _long_ filenames are in utf-16le. I'm not sure whether the _short_ filenames (8.3 format, all uppercase) are ASCII-only or if they use some defined code page |
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| 15:51.26 | peterS | Zvpun: but nobody cares about 8.3 filenames anymore, so I bet you can ignore that |
| 15:52.02 | stew | unfortunately some people do care, i wrote code last week to look for 8.3 filename collisions |
| 15:52.29 | peterS | poor stew. did you know about the 'doschk' package? |
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| 15:53.03 | stew | no, i didn't /me looks |
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| 15:54.04 | peterS | it's a really old gnu utility, as you can tell by the fact that it assumes anyone still cares about original System V filesystems with 14-char filenames |
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| 15:54.45 | stew | the case i had was that verizon was requiring us to deliver files to them in 8.3. One more reason to dislike verizon |
| 15:54.47 | peterS | (those unix releases died out in the early 90s, I think) |
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| 15:55.03 | peterS | stew: oh, bleh. |
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| 15:56.31 | Sonderblade | a debian machine i have crashes when i do a grep on /dev/kmem whats up with that? |
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| 15:57.22 | peterS | Sonderblade: don't do that then. you're grepping, among other things, your PCI config registers |
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| 15:59.08 | Sonderblade | peterS: it shouldn't crash because of that |
| 15:59.28 | peterS | Sonderblade: you might be surprised. reading from I/O ports can affect devices just as much as writing to them does |
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| 16:00.19 | peterS | Sonderblade: on the Apple II hardware, the way you made a sound was to click the speaker by _reading_ from a specific I/O port address. if you _wrote_ to it it clicked twice, since the hardware would do a read before the write. |
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| 16:02.07 | Sonderblade | peterS: that's not how i meant, i have accidentally crashed that computer 4 times by doing "grep somestr * -RI" in the root directory, there should be something protecting you |
| 16:02.23 | peterS | Sonderblade: there is. don't do stuff like that as root. |
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| 16:02.40 | peterS | Sonderblade: if you don't do it as root, you won't have permission to grep /dev/kmem and /proc/bus/pci and things like that |
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| 16:03.48 | unsolo | hmm isnt there a stable debian amd64 release yet ? |
| 16:03.50 | peterS | unsolo: no |
| 16:03.55 | Sonderblade | peterS: IF computer_crashed AND it was very unexpected THEN it is a bug |
| 16:04.20 | unsolo | oO so what is the latest then of the experimental ones ? |
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| 16:04.27 | peterS | Sonderblade: IF root is not allowed to do things that crash the computer THEN you are not running unix |
| 16:04.32 | raf256 | damn, I though linux--sftp-->linux copy should be trivial... how can one do this? |
| 16:04.37 | debugger | hi |
| 16:04.44 | debugger | there is a new kernel at "my" debian mirror, but there is no entry for it at http://www.us.debian.org/security/, any ideia why is that? |
| 16:04.47 | raf256 | gftp segfaults, konqueror do not have option to resume partially uploaded file... |
| 16:05.03 | unsolo | raf256: sftp as in secure ftp like SSL etc ? |
| 16:05.04 | peterS | unsolo: the amd64 porter team released their own version of debian stable, you can just as well use that. it's not official debian but it's the next best things. |
| 16:05.07 | peterS | thing. |
| 16:05.14 | raf256 | unsolo: yes |
| 16:05.45 | peterS | unsolo: no. sftp isn't ftp, it's a program that _looks_ somewhat like an ftp client but really uses a custom protocol running over ssh. |
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| 16:06.20 | unsolo | hmm ok |
| 16:06.26 | peterS | it has nothing to do with either SSL or FTP, though the name certainly seems to imply that. functionally, you can _think_ of it that way, but in truth it's using ssh, port 22. |
| 16:06.43 | unsolo | so its a scp client server ? |
| 16:07.00 | peterS | it's not scp, it's a competitor to the scp protocol |
| 16:07.10 | peterS | both scp and sftp are custom protocols that run inside ssh tunnels. |
| 16:07.15 | unsolo | peterS any link to the stable amd64 ? |
| 16:07.24 | peterS | unsolo: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 probably has links |
| 16:07.54 | unsolo | peterS ok.. why not use ncftp and a SSL ftp server instead ? if optional ofcourse |
| 16:08.16 | peterS | unsolo: because then you have to manage SSL certificates. much simpler to use the ssh infrastructure you're probably already using. |
| 16:08.50 | peterS | SSL certificates are a huge pain to manage, whereas ssh host and user keys are much more do-it-yourself |
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| 16:09.36 | peterS | also, I suspect FTP + SSL is slow, because it has to keep creating secure connections, one for each file transfer, each directory listing. sftp just uses the one ssh tunnel for the whole session. |
| 16:10.42 | nomego | If I've upgraded sarge to etch, how do I switch to kernel-2.6 and udev? |
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| 16:10.57 | stew | nomego: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 16:10.59 | peterS | nomego: you install linux-image-2.6-686 or a similar package, and reboot |
| 16:11.05 | ruckerz | hmm can i specify mediaopt in /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 16:11.07 | shining | isn't it stupid to use ssh/scp on a home local network? |
| 16:11.23 | peterS | shining: what's stupid about it? what would you recommend using instead? |
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| 16:11.35 | unsolo | peterS i have personally run ftp connections at over 33MB/s with SSL on so its not that demanding. |
| 16:11.58 | shining | I don't know, but why would it need to be secured? isn't that slower? and/or consuming more cpu ? |
| 16:12.03 | peterS | shining: do you think I should set up rsh servers on my home machines just to save a tenth of a second transfering files over my 100 Mbit network unencrypted? |
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| 16:12.33 | stew | i recently ran a passwordless root rcp to clone a server. it felt oh so dirty |
| 16:12.42 | peterS | stew: hahaha |
| 16:12.42 | shining | peterS: well, actually that's what I was wondering. if the speed difference was noticeable or not |
| 16:12.44 | unsolo | and you can use the normal user certificates as SSL certificates on a FTP server. |
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| 16:12.57 | peterS | shining: I already have ssh clients and servers set up and running and using public key authentication so I don't have to type passwords. the effort to duplicate this for rsh would be totally wasted |
| 16:13.20 | peterS | shining: maybe the speed difference is noticeable if you are transferring 4 GB DVD images around all the time. me, I don't do that, the biggest files I move back and forth are probably 10 MB ogg files |
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| 16:13.35 | stew | peterS: but in this case, the server i was moving from was a p2 333 and the ssh was actually not keeping up with the raid on the other side, and i was transferring 1tb, so it was a rare occasion |
| 16:14.00 | lordman_53 | slm |
| 16:14.04 | stew | and the boxes were completely isolated |
| 16:14.12 | peterS | shining: if I did want to transfer a 4 GB DVD image, I'd probably just construct a little pipeline with netcat. it'd be a rare occasion so not worth setting up rsh just for that |
| 16:14.17 | peterS | stew: *nod* |
| 16:14.24 | Pupeno | Any firewall configuring tools that support IPv6 ? |
| 16:14.39 | Ronin | holy crap, turn the ac on already |
| 16:15.32 | unsolo | just go with whatever works and fills the need is my idea.. KISS :) |
| 16:15.46 | shining | peterS: hmm ok. well I just use ssh/scp because I only know that, and I find it easy to set up and use. Generally I don't transfer huge files, but it happens occasionaly to transfer several hundred of megs |
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| 16:16.15 | unsolo | if u have 1000 users and they want secure file transfer sftp is probably not the way to go. |
| 16:16.31 | peterS | unsolo: no? what's better? |
| 16:16.59 | raf256 | why linux is so terrible lame? linux doesn't have even ONE working, usable SFTP client program! |
| 16:17.04 | peterS | shining: debian does still ship an rsh client and server, so if you really feel the need you can install it. I just find that the benefit-to-bother ratio isn't there |
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| 16:17.19 | peterS | raf256: uh, I use sftp all the time, it's perfectly working and usable for me |
| 16:17.19 | brianski | howdy |
| 16:17.25 | brianski | my ethernet driver isn't loading when i boot |
| 16:17.31 | lex | raf256, how about... um... scp? |
| 16:17.32 | brianski | how can i tell debian to load it automagically? |
| 16:17.36 | brianski | or do i need to tell grub? |
| 16:17.37 | shining | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 16:17.44 | lex | raf256, or em... sftp? |
| 16:17.54 | lex | raf256, why am i talking to you? |
| 16:17.57 | raf256 | lex: sftp can not resume files |
| 16:17.58 | peterS | brianski: first of all, I'm tired of people using the term 'automagically' when they just mean 'automatically'. second, put the driver module in /etc/modules |
| 16:18.00 | Serinity | raf256, I use sftp clients everyday with linux, never an issue, what about you simply RTFM and stop spreading FUD ? |
| 16:18.05 | raf256 | lex: sftp can not resume files |
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| 16:18.20 | raf256 | Serinity: how to resume a partially uploaded file in sftp? |
| 16:18.22 | Serinity | hum |
| 16:18.30 | raf256 | that's what I thought |
| 16:18.31 | peterS | there's nothing magic about loading a module at boot time |
| 16:18.32 | raf256 | linux is lame |
| 16:18.34 | peterS | it's automatic, nothing more |
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| 16:18.44 | raf256 | no, that is inccoreect, the kernel if fine. |
| 16:18.45 | lex | raf256, So... go to #windows and leave us alone |
| 16:18.45 | peterS | !ops raf256 is lame |
| 16:18.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: peters complains about: raf256 is lame |
| 16:18.50 | Ronin | go back to windows then raf256 and stop trolling |
| 16:18.53 | Maulkin | ... |
| 16:19.04 | peterS | Maulkin: by lame I mean trolling using the word lame |
| 16:19.07 | raf256 | Ronin: I do no troll. tell me how to simplyu uload a file (resume)? |
| 16:19.07 | Serinity | raf256, linux actually is a kernel, also, debian is an operating system and sftp just a tool, if the tool is wrong, take an other one |
| 16:19.19 | lex | raf256, BTW... it probably does do it correctly, but i aint gonna go do it for ya punk |
| 16:19.20 | raf256 | Serinity: [18:18] <raf256> no, that is inccoreect, the kernel if fine. |
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| 16:19.31 | Maulkin | raf256: do you ahve a question? |
| 16:19.34 | lex | Ah |
| 16:19.43 | Maulkin | Ahh, fair enough :) |
| 16:19.44 | Serinity | raf256, <raf256> linux is lame |
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| 16:19.51 | brianski | peterS: 1: piss off ;) 2: thanks :) |
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| 16:19.54 | brianski | that did the trick |
| 16:19.57 | shining | about modules loading, why are the network drivers never loaded in the same order ? if I set up the interfaces at one point, it won't be valid at the next boot |
| 16:20.07 | lex | This is the electronic equivalent of gaging someone and then asking him "WHo was she!! Answer ya punk!" |
| 16:20.11 | shining | because the network interfaces will swap |
| 16:20.24 | stew | i've had trouble helping raf256 in the past. he comes here seemingly not really wanting help but only to complain about debian developers and such |
| 16:20.38 | Serinity | raf256, apt-cache search is your friend, feel free to find an other tool, but i agree that "sftp" is limited, there's replacements |
| 16:20.38 | peterS | shining: that's something udev is supposed to fix, if you use it properly to load your modules. I have my doubts, frankly. |
| 16:20.39 | Ronin | lex: not really |
| 16:20.53 | shining | and I've a second problem, blacklisting pcspkr doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 16:21.05 | shining | peterS: ha? I thought this problem was introduced by udev |
| 16:21.05 | lex | Ronin, well... it is if i /msg him "Who was she, Answer ya punk!" |
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| 16:21.14 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:21.30 | stew | shining: yeah, i think that is a known probablem, i'd recommend you just rename the pcspkr.ko file |
| 16:21.55 | peterS | shining: the problem was technically introduced by the Linux kernel developers when they decided that module loading would be asynchronous in kernel 2.6. that's the root of the unpredictability of these things. solving it is a problem for hotplug or, now that udev is the new hotplug, udev. |
| 16:21.56 | shining | stew: I would need to do that at each kernel install? |
| 16:22.10 | stew | shining: yes |
| 16:22.17 | shining | stew: weird |
| 16:22.20 | shining | peterS: ha I see |
| 16:23.29 | peterS | shining: basically: in kernel 2.4 if you say 'modprobe tulip', the modprobe would wait until the tulip module was well and truly initialised and eth0 was available, then return. in kernel 2.6 it just kicks off the process, which might take an unpredictable amount of time to actually get around to probing the PCI bus and eventually claiming eth0. meanwhile if you're also loading a list of other modules, '3c59x' might ... |
| 16:23.35 | peterS | ... finish first and claim eth0, leaving tulip with eth1. |
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| 16:24.45 | peterS | shining: the solution is that when the kernel _does_ find, say, a network interface, it notifies the userspace hotplug agent to say "hey there's a new network interface". thus the userspace agent can go about the business of actually deciding whether to rename the interface, run a dhcp client, assign a specific static address, whatever |
| 16:25.44 | peterS | shining: thus, rather than say 'modprobe tulip; ifup eth0', these days you're supposed to say 'modprobe tulip' and rely on the kernel to tell the hotplug agent about it, and the hotplug agent then calls ifup in some appropriate manner. note that when I say "the hotplug agent", these days that is udev. |
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| 16:27.02 | shining | peterS: so there indeed should be a way to configure udev properly |
| 16:27.30 | peterS | shining: the advantage of the kernel 2.6 way is that, for example, if you already have the tulip module loaded and you plug your laptop into a docking station with a tulip ethernet chip on it, the exact same process applies with no further user intervention |
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| 16:28.14 | peterS | shining: and yes, udev is configurable, and no, I have no idea how to do this because when I see udev configuration I pretty much run screaming |
| 16:29.35 | tuv | anacron'd daily jobs always get stuck at logrotate<defunct>. whose fault is this? anacron, run-parts, or logrotate? |
| 16:29.37 | shining | hehe, me too |
| 16:30.14 | shining | well, now I remember I had the same problem on another distrib, and I just found the udev rules for it |
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| 16:31.15 | SexyKen | Anyone here have a Plasma TV? |
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| 16:31.36 | tziku | how can i create a cron job to run at every 10 seconds ? |
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| 16:31.46 | SexyKen | You can't. |
| 16:31.50 | SexyKen | Only every 1 minute. |
| 16:31.51 | stew | shining: can you put them into a dpkg factoid? |
| 16:31.56 | tziku | no |
| 16:31.58 | tziku | 1 second ? |
| 16:32.02 | SexyKen | 1 minute. |
| 16:32.02 | shining | scary look : http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
| 16:32.12 | shining | stew: what? |
| 16:32.27 | tziku | SexyKen how can i do that ? |
| 16:32.36 | thegraham | How do I configure exim4 to use an external host to send mail? I've added the host in /etc/exim4/passwd.client and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf (using dc_smarthost='mail.btopenworld.com'). |
| 16:33.02 | stew | shining: did you find a way to successfully blacklist pcspkr? |
| 16:33.30 | SexyKen | tziku: Create a script using Waits and have it run 5 times every 10 seconds and then run it with cron every minute |
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| 16:33.33 | shining | no. the weird thing is it works with a kernel, and it doesn't on an other |
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| 16:34.07 | tziku | SexyKen i don't know how... |
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| 16:34.34 | thegraham | tziku: what command do you want to run every 10 seconds? |
| 16:34.46 | tuv | stew, shining: i disabled it by commenting the line: "#alias pnp:dPNP0800 pcspkr" in /etc/modprobe.d/pnp-hotplug |
| 16:34.50 | shining | so I use the workaround to disable console beep in konsole |
| 16:34.54 | tziku | i want to have this command at every 10 second: killall [DIALOG] |
| 16:35.06 | rue_mohr | I need a package to be installed like its never been on the system before, what options do I feed apt? dpkg? |
| 16:35.15 | unsolo | ahh another reason to run FTP + SSL is the ability to actually resume files .. in addition to user specific restricted Axess areas etc etc etc |
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| 16:35.23 | shining | tuv: well, I already saw that somewhere, but I didn't need it before |
| 16:35.35 | shining | I just put blacklist pcspkr, which worked fine |
| 16:35.54 | tuv | shining, it didn't work for me |
| 16:35.58 | shining | since it didn't work with the newer kernel, I commented the alias line too, but it doesnt' change anything |
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| 16:36.37 | shining | tuv: wait, I didn't just comment it : |
| 16:36.38 | shining | #alias pnp:dPNP0800 pcspkr |
| 16:36.38 | shining | alias pnp:dPNP0800 off |
| 16:36.39 | peterS | unsolo: the problem with FTP + SSL is certificate management. you have to either buy a real certificate from a real CA (bleh!) or manually put your own CA cert on each client |
| 16:36.40 | tziku | thegraham: i want to have this command at every 10 second: killall [DIALOG] |
| 16:36.45 | shining | tuv: is that wrong? |
| 16:37.12 | peterS | tziku: just run a shell command, then: while sleep 10; do ....; done |
| 16:37.24 | tuv | shining, not sure, but i was told not to edit it, just comment it.. and it worked with the latest testing kernel (until now) |
| 16:37.39 | rue_mohr | grrr |
| 16:37.59 | rue_mohr | its not running the config stuff, |
| 16:38.06 | unsolo | peterS: manually or just script it in ? you can have it just like ssh as well with public and private keys i belive you can even use those keys. |
| 16:38.15 | peterS | unsolo: SSL without certificates is pointless, since you're wide open for a man-in-the-middle attack |
| 16:38.26 | tuv | anacron's daily jobs always get stuck at logrotate<defunct>. whose fault is this? anacron, run-parts, or logrotate? |
| 16:38.38 | unsolo | Auth SSL kinda stops that from happening |
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| 16:39.08 | peterS | what do you mean, Auth SSL kinda stops that from happening? how are you _not_ vulnerable to a man-in-the-middle if you don't use certificates? |
| 16:39.21 | peterS | anyway, I dunno, ssh key management doesn't scare me the way certificate management does |
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| 16:39.33 | rue_mohr | ok, think I was trying to source a file from the wrong package... |
| 16:40.04 | unsolo | hehe.. well if u use public private key and user authentication with encrypted security how does the man in the middle bypass that |
| 16:40.37 | unsolo | u need the key + user + password to even get logged on. |
| 16:40.53 | trajiks | hello peterS, long time no see, I am having an issue with the resolution still. it will only go 800x600 for some reason. I am not sure how to get a * in the [ ] box to change it. Also it seems as if the konqueror is slow. I am on cable connection but it is connecting like 56k. Any thought's/suggestions. thanks again. |
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| 16:41.40 | peterS | unsolo: the man in the middle pretends to be the server. how does the client know it is not the server? the only way it _can_ know is with a certificate |
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| 16:42.15 | unsolo | yes and how does the man in the middle get to be the server and decrypt the encrypted user password |
| 16:42.29 | unsolo | without the servers private key |
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| 16:42.50 | peterS | unsolo: what protocol are you talking about? SSL doesn't use that, FTP doesn't use that |
| 16:42.52 | cast | hey guys, say i'm running one wm locally at 1280x1024, and i want to start another wm remotely as a window in the local wm at 800x600. is there an easy way to do that? |
| 16:43.12 | peterS | unsolo: perhaps you're talking about something else, like SASL digest auth? |
| 16:43.46 | BlackJudas|TWL | cast, xnest? |
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| 16:44.31 | cast | BlackJudas|TWL: excellent. thanks :) |
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| 16:44.59 | wrkilu | where and what should i set (in spamassassn), to automatic adding "***SPAM***" in every spam mail ?? |
| 16:45.07 | unsolo | the whole idea with private public keys is to ecrypt the datastream . so that only the private server can read what has been written with the public key. |
| 16:45.22 | gimbal` | it's a long-shot, but if anyone here is familiar with the debian gforge packages, I'd appreciate some help on a matter; I've got a question about the debian gforge setup -- wondering if there's a command that could be run to make the debconf reconfigure the host's ldap database for gforge |
| 16:45.58 | gimbal` | my ldap db got frobnicated somehow; whatever frobbed it, it's making slapd segfault on the thing, and it nuked everything that gforge had added - users, groups, .. |
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| 16:46.27 | unsolo | this is so that only the man in the middle can pretend to be the client and unless he has acess to the server he cant do much.. |
| 16:46.41 | gimbal` | realizing, now, that I need to put-in some sort of regular backup policyon that db |
| 16:47.58 | peterS | unsolo: yes and how does the client know the server's public key? |
| 16:48.11 | thegraham | How do I configure exim4 to use a smarthost for sending mail? |
| 16:48.36 | unsolo | by requesting it.. however.. its useless without a userID which is valid on the server |
| 16:48.45 | peterS | unsolo: requesting it ... from the man in the middle, you mean? |
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| 16:49.33 | peterS | unsolo: the question is, how does the client know that it has the _real_ server's public key? |
| 16:49.35 | gimbal` | thegraham: might try something like 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4'; iirc, there's a menu in the debconf stuff, allows you to select 'smart host' or something similiar, then would support that you'd put in the fqdn for the smart-host |
| 16:50.07 | thegraham | Yeah, I've added the host in /etc/exim4/passwd.client and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf (using dc_smarthost='mail.btopenworld.com'), but it still doesn't work |
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| 16:50.45 | unsolo | peterS ofcourse on the initial connection you can get screwed.. but once the key is saved you are safe.. however this applies for sftp and ssh as well.. |
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| 16:51.05 | peterS | unsolo: so what protocol are you talking about? I don't think you're talking about SSL |
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| 16:51.58 | unsolo | TLS SSL whatever where talking in general about encryption and managing certificates .. |
| 16:52.20 | peterS | unsolo: no we're not talking "in general", we're talking about what FTP + SSL does. |
| 16:52.37 | unsolo | well there are several ways of doing SSL + FTP.. |
| 16:52.57 | unsolo | one is doing the entire thing trough an ssh connection.. |
| 16:53.27 | peterS | unsolo: I don't see how you can do FTP + SSL through an ssh connection. the ftp protocol doesn't lend itself to that kind of tunneling, since it deals in port numbers and IP addresses. |
| 16:53.32 | gimbal` | for what it's worth, I was just reading over the kerberos5 manual - somewhere under /usr/share/doc/krb5-doc/*.gz - and it looks like the kerberos-special ftp, telnet, ... commands support transport-layer encryption |
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| 16:54.32 | peterS | FTP was not a very well designed protocol, frankly. we're kind of stuck with it, but I hate to try to advocate it for _new_ installs |
| 16:54.43 | unsolo | another is using something like proftpd / pureftpd with Auth TLS and SSL |
| 16:55.04 | peterS | do all ftp clients do server key caching, then? |
| 16:55.13 | peterS | I ask because all ssh clients do, that I know of. |
| 16:56.13 | unsolo | ncftp does.. ftp now does.. pftp does.. and i think most guis uses the ftp package as ground level so they probably do to. |
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| 16:56.38 | unsolo | and the funny thing is you can even ssh it to test the login .. |
| 16:56.51 | peterS | it just amazes me that ftp + ssl was ever seriously proposed and that it's still being used |
| 16:57.08 | peterS | given the unsuitability of the ftp protocol for that, and the existence of the scp and sftp protocols |
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| 16:57.43 | unsolo | i can think of a few.. |
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| 16:58.03 | unsolo | flasfxp <-- windows also supports it.. that i know of. |
| 16:58.04 | gimbal` | peterS: heh, i can count on one finger the number of folks who I know of who know of a systematic non-suitability there |
| 16:58.28 | gimbal` | and that's one more than 20 minutes ago, hehe |
| 16:58.59 | peterS | gimbal`: the port 20 transfer is supposed to be pure data - do they really attempt STARTTLS in there? |
| 16:59.14 | unsolo | they use a different port.. |
| 16:59.25 | peterS | do they use PORT or PASV? |
| 16:59.26 | gimbal` | peterS: I am not sure; not familiar with the TLS protocol |
| 16:59.27 | unsolo | for the authentication and a different one for the transfer. |
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| 16:59.44 | unsolo | the port 21 is only used for handshaking packages. |
| 16:59.51 | unsolo | to my knowledge |
| 17:00.35 | peterS | yay, tornado siren outside. must be a test, it doesn't look like tornado weather at all |
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| 17:01.15 | toad_ | how do i use an initrd with pxe? |
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| 17:02.05 | mohaned | erm |
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| 17:02.08 | mohaned | wrong channel |
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| 17:02.40 | lazzarello | about this big kernel update... |
| 17:02.56 | lazzarello | where are all the kernels? cause some aren't in the security archive |
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| 17:03.11 | peterS | toad_: the pxelinux boot loader (a fork of the syslinux boot loader) can handle it. load pxelinux rather than trying to load a kernel directly, and have a config file for it |
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| 17:03.19 | lazzarello | specifically, 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 17:03.55 | toad_ | peterS: i think i'm using pxelinux ... i have a pxelinux.cfg |
| 17:04.02 | aeolus | Hi. My computer shut off during the second phase of the Debian install. Will it be OK, or do I need to reinstall? |
| 17:04.06 | toad_ | so i just do man pxelinux.cfg... |
| 17:04.08 | peterS | toad_: pxelinux.cfg should list kernel images and initrds |
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| 17:04.17 | trajiks | ? |
| 17:05.17 | toad_ | peterS: where's the documentation? man pxelinux.cfg doesn't find anything |
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| 17:05.48 | peterS | toad_: don't know, try 'dpkg -L syslinux' |
| 17:06.03 | Hoxzer | Mem: 776756 764856 11900 0 8600 591516 <- :((((( |
| 17:06.12 | peterS | toad_: I don't have that package installed so I can't do it for you |
| 17:06.17 | Hoxzer | Torrent seedint is memory taking I see |
| 17:06.35 | toad_ | pxelinux is part of syslinux? |
| 17:06.36 | toad_ | ok |
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| 17:07.28 | peterS | toad_: I assume so, since there isn't a separate debian package for it. I know the codebase itself is related, all written by hpa (Peter Anvin) |
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| 17:10.44 | toad_ | okay, so i just put initrd=<filename> where filename is in the same dir as pxelinux.0 |
| 17:10.45 | toad_ | cool |
| 17:10.51 | toad_ | now i need to make an initrd :) |
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| 17:11.23 | CrippsFX | I'm having difficulty setting up my machine to do serial over IR ... basically, I have a palm pilot that I'm porting linux to, and I want to use IR to get debug messages since there's no serial (aside from USB) controller on my palm. I have kernel 2.6.15-1-686, running Debiam Etch, and I have minicom and irda-utils installed. to the best of my knowledge I have my IR device set to use /dev/ttyS1 |
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| 17:11.57 | perlmonkey | has anyone taken biology |
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| 17:12.13 | perlmonkey | more specifically, studied microbiology |
| 17:12.26 | Serinity | slashdot is down |
| 17:12.30 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 17:12.31 | __ne2k | I have a situation where I'm trying to compile a kernel for a embedded 486 board. I'd like to make the smallest and fastest possible kernel for it that works. I'm currently using a debian kernel; I have recompiled it to include a few extra features but I used the config file form the stock Debian "do everything" kernel as the starting point. It does everything that I need it to do, but is by no means small, as it's designed to be a "catch-all" configur |
| 17:12.37 | wakejagr | perlmonkey: yeah, ~6 years ago |
| 17:12.37 | Ronin | perlmonkey: still in #debian |
| 17:12.54 | perlmonkey | Ronin: I know I can see you |
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| 17:13.35 | lazzarello | this kernel update is pretty insane for multi-archetecture networks...can someone shout if they've sucessfully updates i386(-smp) and amd64-k8(-smp) kernels? |
| 17:14.00 | perlmonkey | wakejagr: I have a question, would agar flakes (edible kind) be suitable as a culture medium? |
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| 17:15.30 | wakejagr | perlmonkey: my guess is they'd be pretty, but you'd prolly get some growth. good luck finding an answer; that's a strange question |
| 17:15.42 | wakejagr | s/pretty/pretty bad/ |
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| 17:16.14 | lazzarello | __ne2k, i'd start by removing modules for all the hardware not on the board you're compiling for. |
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| 17:16.32 | lazzarello | __ne2k, that should take a few hours. then come back here. |
| 17:16.55 | perlmonkey | wakejagr: my other question, when you're performing a sensitivity test, how can you know you dont have other bacteria in the culture, i mean common varieties? |
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| 17:17.27 | __ne2k | lazzarello: well, that doesn't answer my question. that's "doing it by hand" as far as I can see. |
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| 17:17.46 | wakejagr | perlmonkey: don't remember. google? |
| 17:17.51 | abrotman | perlmonkey: wrong channel |
| 17:17.58 | lazzarello | so you want an automated kernel build that's tuned to your custom embedded hardware? |
| 17:18.00 | mrcoyote_ | google is our friend |
| 17:18.06 | perlmonkey | google isnt much help in this field unfortunately |
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| 17:18.32 | perlmonkey | abrotman: care to recommend another one where academics in this field might hang out? |
| 17:18.35 | __ne2k | lazzarello: no. I'd like a way to enable the kernel to inform me of what is actually being used during the course of running, so I can then remove the bits that haven't been used. I'm prepared to accept that it isn't possible, but it would be cool! |
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| 17:18.43 | abrotman | perlmonkey: you can start your own channel |
| 17:18.49 | lazzarello | __ne2k, lsmod? |
| 17:18.53 | anders_ | i got a problem, i have wrote: apt-get install kdm, apt-get install x-window-system, why wont the KDe theme load? |
| 17:19.04 | asg | There's 2 people in #biology |
| 17:19.05 | anders_ | just an ugly theme starts =(( |
| 17:19.14 | asg | s/people/things/ |
| 17:19.14 | abrotman | asg: that might be a date |
| 17:19.20 | __ne2k | gotta go, sorry, thanks for your help all |
| 17:19.31 | __ne2k | lazzarello: yeah, that's a good start. but thinking of things that are compiled in too. |
| 17:19.47 | perlmonkey | one is a bot |
| 17:19.47 | asg | abrotman: you never know |
| 17:19.48 | __ne2k | gotta go, sorry, thanks for your help all |
| 17:20.05 | anders_ | anyone that can help? |
| 17:20.43 | abrotman | perlmonkey: regardless .. it doesn't belong in #debian |
| 17:20.48 | asg | anders_: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 17:20.54 | anders_ | ok |
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| 17:21.38 | anders_ | it dont say so much |
| 17:21.52 | abrotman | apt-cache search kde theme |
| 17:21.56 | lazzarello | I'm trying to space out repeating myself...anyone know why some of the kernel updates aren't yet in security? |
| 17:22.03 | abrotman | like which ones? |
| 17:22.10 | lazzarello | 2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 17:22.21 | abrotman | maybe that mirror hasn't synced yet? |
| 17:22.28 | lazzarello | kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp: |
| 17:22.29 | lazzarello | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.29 | lazzarello | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.39 | abrotman | ok .. what's wrong with that? |
| 17:22.49 | lazzarello | that system hasn't been updated to a new kernel yet |
| 17:22.55 | lazzarello | it's months old |
| 17:23.26 | lazzarello | the new one in the email is labled 2.6.8-16sarge4 |
| 17:23.27 | abrotman | eh .. what version are you expecting ? |
| 17:23.32 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 17:23.39 | abrotman | lazzarello: paste your sources somewhere |
| 17:23.39 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:23.39 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 17:23.44 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:24.01 | aeolus | hmm... "There was a problem installing the selected software One or more packages failed to install. This may be due to bugs in the packages, or you may be out of diskspace or experiencing some other problem..." - what? |
| 17:24.10 | orge | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda ? |
| 17:24.11 | lazzarello | abrotman, I have security in the list |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | ok .. then don't show |
| 17:24.34 | lazzarello | stable/updates main non-free |
| 17:25.06 | abrotman | lazzarello: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 17:25.09 | lazzarello | the 32 bit kernels have updated in apt, but not the 64 bit ones |
| 17:25.21 | abrotman | lazzarello: are you using pure64? |
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| 17:25.29 | lazzarello | never heard of it |
| 17:25.37 | lazzarello | I'm using amd64 userland |
| 17:25.45 | lazzarello | and kernel |
| 17:26.00 | abrotman | dpkg-architecture .. says what? |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | use the paster sites above ifn eeded |
| 17:26.53 | lazzarello | all x86_64 and amd64 |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | that's pure64 |
| 17:27.02 | abrotman | so the link |
| 17:27.05 | abrotman | lazzarello: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8-smp |
| 17:27.08 | lazzarello | right on. pure... |
| 17:27.16 | abrotman | shows that you have the correct version for amd64/pure64 |
| 17:27.20 | lazzarello | so security.debian.org doesn't have those updates? |
| 17:27.29 | abrotman | there hasn't been an update |
| 17:27.31 | lazzarello | oh...I get it. |
| 17:27.43 | abrotman | you would want to email the security team to find out if they're working on an update .. or if it's not needed |
| 17:27.59 | lazzarello | thanks for clearning it up. good thing I didn't install the wrong kernel :) |
| 17:28.08 | abrotman | yes .. good thing :) |
| 17:28.10 | orge | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda << can someone do this and tell me the results |
| 17:28.17 | abrotman | orge: STOP |
| 17:28.33 | CrippsFX | orge, that can get you kicked off of feenode |
| 17:28.38 | abrotman | lazzarello: if you feel you're at risk, contact the security to find out if you actually are |
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| 17:29.16 | lazzarello | it was a pretty vague email. I have quite a few (> 20) public servers so I'm concerned. |
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| 17:29.34 | abrotman | should have been a kline :) |
| 17:29.40 | stew | i can't do that :) |
| 17:29.43 | abrotman | learn! |
| 17:29.48 | CrippsFX | abrotman, lol. :D |
| 17:30.00 | abrotman | lazzarello: ask i said .. contact the security team to find out if there is one in preparation |
| 17:30.18 | abrotman | go figure .. orge is also in #ubuntu |
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| 17:30.26 | CrippsFX | abrotman, doing the same thing? |
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| 17:30.35 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't frequent those kinds of palces |
| 17:30.38 | abrotman | places |
| 17:30.47 | CrippsFX | abrotman, lol. |
| 17:31.13 | shining | I missed something for the udev rules, so it didn't work. it's really annoying : |
| 17:31.15 | shining | "Note that in the MAC address, the hexadecimal digits should be in lowercase, otherwise udev fails to match them properly with the network interface. |
| 17:31.22 | CrippsFX | ... but, to justify myself, the machine I'm trying to fix IS running debian :D |
| 17:31.24 | Hoxzer | ubuntu :( is just good |
| 17:31.34 | Hoxzer | too good |
| 17:31.48 | shining | besides, mac address are in uppercase in ifconfig |
| 17:32.03 | shining | so you can't just copy/paste |
| 17:32.07 | abrotman | shining: make them lowercase |
| 17:32.17 | shining | abrotman: well, I obviously did |
| 17:32.26 | shining | it doesn't work otherwise |
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| 17:33.27 | shining | why the hell does it make a case sensitive comparison? |
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| 17:33.45 | kreg_lt | trying to google how to put an alias in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:33.50 | kreg_lt | like eth1:0 |
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| 17:34.05 | shining | it's not like 00:12:34:fe:dc:ba and 00:12:34:FE:DC:BA are two different mac address |
| 17:34.26 | stew | kreg_lt: there is an example in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 17:34.37 | RvGaTe | hello @ al |
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| 17:34.41 | RvGaTe | +l |
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| 17:35.00 | stew | kreg_lt: basically, its just like eth1, but leave off gateway (you only really need address and netmask) |
| 17:35.14 | jade | anyway to list the crontabs for all users? i wanted to find out whose crontab kicks off a script |
| 17:36.18 | asg | jade: look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
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| 17:37.21 | jade | asg, thanks |
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| 17:39.51 | trajiks | so on the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, how is it that i can set the res to 1024x768 (( or get the * in the [ ] box )) |
| 17:40.05 | abrotman | hit spacebar |
| 17:40.17 | trajiks | srry, i'm new to linux |
| 17:40.31 | trajiks | thanks abrotman |
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| 17:43.09 | abrotman | who? |
| 17:43.30 | syntaxx | i installed mysql from source how can i make it boot from startup? |
| 17:43.38 | abrotman | ask #mysql |
| 17:43.46 | abrotman | syntaxx: or read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 17:44.22 | torch | al |
| 17:44.23 | syntaxx | abrotman, i followed a site on how to start it on boot but i think it doesnt start on boot though |
| 17:44.28 | unsolo | Etherboot 4tw |
| 17:44.41 | unsolo | anyways tnx guys im off to install another server.. |
| 17:44.53 | Serinity | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): <--- any tip ? |
| 17:45.05 | abrotman | use postgresql |
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| 17:46.21 | Serinity | abrotman, Whenever postgresql will support active-active clustering, i'll sure do |
| 17:46.49 | abrotman | it's not even real clustering |
| 17:48.03 | unsolo | shared memory the dream of any cluster.. |
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| 17:48.20 | Serinity | Well, load-balanced / Failover config, how you call it ? |
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| 17:48.28 | abrotman | fallover? :) |
| 17:48.54 | Serinity | Well, anyways, I'm seeking for help.... |
| 17:49.28 | abrotman | are there any lines above that? maybe why it's failing? or have you checked the BTS? |
| 17:49.51 | Serinity | It's not an official package |
| 17:49.55 | Serinity | comes from dotdeb |
| 17:50.01 | abrotman | dude .. use the ones at backports.org |
| 17:50.02 | Serinity | It doesn't tell why |
| 17:50.11 | abrotman | !dotdeb |
| 17:50.11 | dpkg | hmm... dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 17:50.31 | Serinity | at the setup time, backports didn't do mysql 5 for sarge |
| 17:50.49 | Serinity | I'll check what backports has now |
| 17:51.00 | abrotman | aren't you installing it now? |
| 17:51.08 | Serinity | now, i'm updating |
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| 17:51.25 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:51.30 | Knorrie | hmm i just tried to upgrade the kernel on my etch box to 2.6.17-3 from unstable, but while booting it fails with a stack trace etc... |
| 17:52.15 | Serinity | humm, great, I'll get from backports, they now have the version i need |
| 17:52.38 | Hoxzer | :) panettaako |
| 17:52.56 | syntaxx | when i apt-get update some lines says Err ftp://sunsite.ust.hk stable/main Packages Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.' |
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| 17:53.04 | abrotman | Serinity: do a backup first :) |
| 17:53.31 | Serinity | hehe |
| 17:53.34 | Serinity | already done :) |
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| 17:53.49 | Serinity | Thanks |
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| 17:54.22 | jade | where can i find info about the system wide crontab, e.g. /etc/crontab? |
| 17:54.37 | abrotman | man cron? man crontab ? or you mean something else ? |
| 17:54.44 | Edgester | got a kernel-type question |
| 17:55.09 | abrotman | we have a vague-type answer |
| 17:55.19 | petemc | jade: between the blurb at the top and the labeled columns, what else do you need to know? |
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| 17:55.32 | Edgester | I had my Dell Powervault 124T recognized in debian linux |
| 17:55.34 | g8616c6f | anyone have any idea why setfacl would give me an "Operation not supported" error when the ext3 drive is mounted with the acl option? |
| 17:55.36 | Serinity | What is this cron exploit not yet fized in debian about ? |
| 17:55.42 | Edgester | I rebooted, not it's not recognized |
| 17:55.42 | jade | looks like man 5 crontab had the answers |
| 17:55.49 | Edgester | now, it's not recognized |
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| 17:56.03 | Edgester | I think that I haven't loaded the right kernel module |
| 17:56.08 | Edgester | but I don't know which one |
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| 17:56.24 | abrotman | all one line next time |
| 17:56.29 | Edgester | sorry |
| 17:57.18 | nihilocrat | Edgester: do you need the device recognized at boot time? |
| 17:57.22 | nihilocrat | Like, to boot off of |
| 17:57.30 | Edgester | no |
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| 17:57.34 | Edgester | It's a tape drive |
| 17:57.41 | nihilocrat | okay |
| 17:57.49 | Edgester | I just can't seem to load the right module to get it recognized |
| 17:57.55 | aeolus | Hi, I am in the second stage of installing Debian. Debian Configuration is asking me to "choose your sound daemon's dsp wrapper..." - what do I choose? |
| 17:58.15 | Hoxzer | is there any easy way to make some commands to load on startup |
| 17:58.26 | Tallu | Hoxzer: cron |
| 17:58.59 | Edgester | Hoxzer: put the command in a start up script |
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| 18:01.11 | boucman | hello, I have some issues with udev on my debian system... I have two network interfaces (ethernet and wifi) and the modules seem to be loaded in a random order, resulting in problems with the names and configuration of interfaces.... is there an easy way to enforce a loading order ? thx |
| 18:01.15 | CrippsFX | so has anybody here done serial through Infrared ? |
| 18:01.18 | abrotman | Edgester: try loading st |
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| 18:01.32 | rue_mohr | who would be willing to answer some questions I have about debian stock kernel options? |
| 18:01.43 | rue_mohr | its all zless /proc/config.gz stuff |
| 18:01.53 | anders_ | if i got kde/gnome/xfce, and only using KDE? how can i remove the two others? |
| 18:01.53 | rue_mohr | I just dont have a stock kernel |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | what? |
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| 18:02.09 | abrotman | rue_mohr: just freaking ask |
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| 18:02.32 | rue_mohr | I need to know what, the default code page for FAT is set to |
| 18:02.35 | Edgester | abrotman: st loaded, but not deviced recognized |
| 18:02.55 | Edgester | ugh, can't type today |
| 18:03.02 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 18:03.02 | dpkg | kernel configs is, like, found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 18:03.41 | rue_mohr | hmmm |
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| 18:05.38 | perlmonkey | does anyone have a recipe for chicken broth |
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| 18:06.50 | stew | perlmonkey: eat.epicurious.com |
| 18:06.59 | perlmonkey | thanks stew |
| 18:07.22 | perlmonkey | its not for me, its for my bacteria culture |
| 18:07.41 | abrotman | perlmonkey: do we look like google? stop asking stupid questions here |
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| 18:09.17 | perlmonkey | :-< |
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| 18:12.45 | Serinity | abrotman, seems like I get the same issue with the backport package |
| 18:12.52 | abrotman | any hints? |
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| 18:13.02 | Fennec | hmm. ello. I am trying to run Debian under Microsoft Virtual PC 2004. It seems that my mouse is not properly recognized... either in the console or in X. I have twiddled settings in xorg.conf to no avail. A casual Google search reveals someone reporting a similar problem in another VM, but no real solutions. |
| 18:13.17 | Fennec | ... suggestions for direction of inquiry would be welcome. |
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| 18:13.37 | Serinity | abrotman, Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. <--- It hangs after this |
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| 18:13.56 | abrotman | Serinity: it hangs? |
| 18:14.03 | Serinity | yes |
| 18:14.06 | Serinity | blocked |
| 18:14.09 | abrotman | Fennec: modprobe mousedev .. use /dev/input/mice |
| 18:14.14 | Serinity | I will have to hit Ctrl + C to stop it |
| 18:14.21 | abrotman | Serinity: to stop the script .. not mysqld .. |
| 18:14.25 | abrotman | so .. find a way to stop mysqld ? |
| 18:14.35 | Serinity | even if i stop it |
| 18:14.42 | nihilocrat | kill mysqld and try starting it |
| 18:14.49 | Serinity | let's say i do something like /etc/init.d/mysql stop It stops |
| 18:14.51 | Serinity | no problem |
| 18:14.55 | Fennec | abrotman: will poke that. |
| 18:14.57 | abrotman | something like .. i like that |
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| 18:15.57 | Serinity | When i restart it, it displays a bunch of points, one per line |
| 18:16.03 | nihilocrat | Edgester : if you're still around look at http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2002-April/002236.html |
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| 18:16.22 | Serinity | But it's normal, ndbd is not yet running |
| 18:16.41 | nihilocrat | Edgester : I wouldn't figure you'd need to make a custom initramfs but perhaps you do |
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| 18:16.56 | Bombo | hi |
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| 18:17.06 | nihilocrat | hello |
| 18:17.28 | Fennec | abrotman: still not seeing much =/ |
| 18:17.38 | Edgester | nihilocrat: thanks. I shouldn't need to create a custom initrd. It was working before the reboot. |
| 18:17.56 | abrotman | Fennec: did you reconfigure X ? |
| 18:18.01 | abrotman | Fennec: |
| 18:18.02 | Fennec | yep... |
| 18:18.02 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:18.08 | abrotman | did you do it manually ? |
| 18:18.12 | Fennec | I'm not sure that I reconfigured it rightly, mind you... yep |
| 18:18.14 | Bombo | how do i add boot option vga=ext in debian with grub? i added defoptions=vga=ext to /boot/grub/menu.lst but after reboot its still 80x25 and not 80x50 |
| 18:18.36 | abrotman | !tell Fennec about drxx |
| 18:18.38 | abrotman | !tell Fennec about xmd5 |
| 18:18.47 | Bombo | and after running update-grub the defoptions is commented out |
| 18:18.49 | Fennec | will check these out |
| 18:19.49 | Bombo | what command do have to run to apply the changes in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:20.22 | zenit | Bombo: you don't have to run any commands. |
| 18:21.06 | Fennec | abrotman: it was trying to tell me something that got cut off |
| 18:21.12 | Fennec | and I think it was relevant since I'm running xorg |
| 18:21.28 | Fennec | Ask me about <x ... you are running <Xor |
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| 18:21.52 | Bombo | zenit: then why isnt it in ext mode |
| 18:22.08 | abrotman | !tell Fennec about xorgmd5 |
| 18:22.25 | Fennec | ah, kthx |
| 18:22.57 | zenit | Bombo: I'm not sure if I'm following you. What's ext mode? |
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| 18:23.16 | Bombo | zenit: 80x50 textmode |
| 18:23.47 | Bombo | zenit: i usually used lilo, put append="vga=ext" to lilo.conf and restarted lilo |
| 18:24.08 | Bombo | but debian uses grub.. |
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| 18:25.34 | nihilocrat | zenit: what are you talking about? |
| 18:25.43 | nihilocrat | Bombo: run grub-install after you make changes to menu.lst |
| 18:25.44 | Bombo | i'm running now 80x25 thats bad, too big |
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| 18:26.35 | jade | if i modify the system crontab, do i need to restart the daemon ? how does the cron daemon know to reload the file? |
| 18:27.03 | debugger_ | jade, it will reload. check the logs |
| 18:27.03 | nihilocrat | I don't think you do, but you can if you want |
| 18:27.08 | asg | jade: it checks periodically and reloads itself if things change. It doesn't do any harm to run /etc/init.d/cron.d restart if you wish |
| 18:27.17 | Fennec | abrotman: it's warning me that it's not updating /etc/X11/X and that the file has been modified as well. Does this have an MD5sum hiding somewhere too? |
| 18:27.27 | zenit | nihilocrat: I've changed menu.lst many times, and never had to run grub-install. Am I totally mistaken? |
| 18:27.32 | sin | do i need to do anything special to get tomcat to run on debian besides apt-get install tomcat4 ? |
| 18:28.08 | asg | sin: you need a JRE/JDK (/msg dpkg java-package) |
| 18:28.08 | Bombo | nihilocrat: with install_device=? |
| 18:28.08 | asg | sin: and you are better off running tomcat5 these days |
| 18:28.15 | Bombo | i'm not sure where debian installer installed it |
| 18:28.16 | nihilocrat | Bombo : oh yeah, /dev/hda or wherever you boot off of |
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| 18:28.43 | anders_ | how do i install kde? |
| 18:28.51 | nihilocrat | zenit: perhaps you have things set up differently, but I'm pretty sure grub gets installed on the MBR of the device you give it |
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| 18:29.15 | anders_ | i just installed debain, and wonder how i shall install KDE |
| 18:29.17 | stew | anders_: /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 18:29.40 | stew | anders_: you could also start aptitude, go to tasks->user->desktop and select kde desktop, then hit 'g' |
| 18:29.51 | zenit | nihilocrat: yes it does, but the menu.lst is read at boot-time, so it shouldn't matter? I've had no problems with adding kernels at least. |
| 18:30.05 | sin | ok I've dont the make-jpkg; dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.4_1.4.2+12_i386.deb tomcat still fails with coyote connector errors? |
| 18:30.07 | Bombo | nihilocrat: ok |
| 18:30.11 | Fennec | zenit: I haven't either |
| 18:30.12 | the_mug | is there a way for me to save the current apt status... so that if I have to redo the same box I can just tell it to install all the packages on that saved profile? |
| 18:30.19 | Fennec | zenit: though that was on a Red Hat box |
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| 18:30.38 | nihilocrat | zenit: it's very possible that I've just been doing it out of habit since switching from using LILO a year or so ago |
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| 18:33.05 | zenit | Bombo: anyway, you just add any kernel parameters you want at the end of the line that begins with "kernel .... vga=ext" |
| 18:33.24 | freeone3000 | What's the diffrence between the -1 and -2 kernels? |
| 18:33.42 | thefish | torbp |
| 18:33.57 | zenit | Bombo: and if it doesn't work, you can edit the line in the menu at boot-time. Think you just have to press 'e' |
| 18:35.29 | sin | how can I tell what my path it for java? |
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| 18:40.07 | Fennec | ah well |
| 18:40.13 | Fennec | may try again in the evening |
| 18:40.24 | Bombo | nihilocrat: id didnt work |
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| 18:40.39 | Bombo | nihilocrat: vga was still 80x25 |
| 18:41.06 | Bombo | but i almost got it now, in the menu.lst it says do not uncomment |
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| 18:41.34 | Bombo | so i added just # defoptions=vga=ext |
| 18:41.38 | Bombo | with the # |
| 18:41.56 | abrotman | Fennec: /etc/X11/X is a softlink |
| 18:42.09 | Bombo | it switches to vga=ext mode at boot time, but after a while it switches back to vga=normal |
| 18:42.41 | Bombo | some boot script is loading default font i guess |
| 18:42.44 | Fennec | abrotman: oh. its failure to update is okay though? |
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| 18:43.53 | abrotman | try ity |
| 18:44.01 | Fennec | ity? |
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| 18:44.52 | Fennec | hmm. not that moving the mouse about while at a terminal results in the little block for the cursor moving around fairly wildly, and occasionally trying to paste the entire screen. |
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| 18:45.45 | amphi | Fennec: sounds like gpm is misconfigured |
| 18:46.03 | Fennec | how would I go about reconfiguring it? |
| 18:46.13 | lazzarello | so...I'm being told I should not use Debian's apache, php or mysql by "the boss" but still have the option of using apt to install other utilities. How would one eliminate apache2, php5 and mysql-4.1 from apt? |
| 18:46.14 | Fennec | dpkg-reconfigure gpm? |
| 18:46.59 | Fennec | ooh, hmm! |
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| 18:47.45 | amphi | Fennec: or gpmconfig |
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| 18:47.51 | Fennec | mmm |
| 18:48.13 | nihilocrat | lazzarello: don't apt-get them and just install them from source? |
| 18:48.13 | Fennec | well, I managed to stop the terminal-issue but now it doesn't seem to work at all in the terminal :D I will play around more. |
| 18:48.46 | lazzarello | nihilocrat, there's shared admins on this server. I want to ensure that it's technically impossible for apt to install apache. |
| 18:48.55 | amphi | Fennec: once you get gpm working, you can use /dev/gpmdata as the mouse device for X - I find that the most convenient |
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| 18:50.10 | Fennec | mmmkay. still not lookin' too hot here though :( |
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| 18:51.20 | hans0lo | I just downloaded the debian netinstall CD "debian-31r2-ia64-netinst.iso" -- MD5sum matches. Yet I cannot boot either the burned ISO on my new system, or boot the .iso in VMware. Any suggestions? |
| 18:51.36 | nihilocrat | lazzarello: hum, well I'm not sure how to do that, but... if you compile them yourself and make sure everything knows to use the /usr/local versions, then apt-getting them wouldn't do anything. Of course, this would confuse people who aren't aware that only local versions are being used |
| 18:51.46 | asg | hans0lo: do you have an ia64 machine? |
| 18:52.02 | lazzarello | good point. apt will never touch /usr/local, right? |
| 18:52.10 | asg | lazzarello: no, it won't |
| 18:52.16 | lazzarello | cool |
| 18:52.17 | hans0lo | asg: yes, the new machine is ia64, however it should show the "loading Linux" reguardless, right? |
| 18:52.35 | asg | hans0lo: yes it should. |
| 18:52.44 | hans0lo | asg: It simply won't see the CD as bootable |
| 18:52.44 | peterS | hans0lo: I didn't know vmware even supported ia64 |
| 18:53.03 | stew | hans0lo: what cpu do you have? |
| 18:53.12 | hans0lo | peterS: I doubt it does, but I was just testing to see if it would try to boot. It doesn't recognize the image as bootable |
| 18:53.16 | peterS | hans0lo: some people get confused between ia64, which means your computer cost $4000, and amd64, which means your computer cost $900 |
| 18:53.28 | Fennec | haha :) |
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| 18:53.38 | Fennec | Itanic-- |
| 18:53.43 | hans0lo | peterS: ahh, that's my problem then.. |
| 18:54.15 | hans0lo | peterS: so which netinstall CD do I need for amd56? |
| 18:54.16 | peterS | right - you probably have an amd64 (or an intel clone of one) |
| 18:54.19 | hans0lo | 64* |
| 18:54.31 | abrotman | do you want pure64? |
| 18:54.33 | zinx | peterS: ia64, which means your computer is a useless paperweight, and amd64, which means it might actually run something :D |
| 18:54.56 | peterS | hans0lo: unfortunately there is no _official_ amd64 CD image for debian stable. there are almost-official ones which I think are linked from http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 18:54.58 | hans0lo | abrotman: yes, I want pure 64 |
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| 18:55.35 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 18:55.36 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 18:55.46 | peterS | zinx: not so, I've run software on ia64 machines. they were faster than the servers they replaced. speak of what you know. and if you have an extra ia64 machine, I'll pay shipping |
| 18:55.49 | hans0lo | peterS: thanks for the help (and everyone else too) will give this a try |
| 18:56.04 | Bombo | ah i got it, it was /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh that was loading the font lat0-sun16 |
| 18:56.08 | zinx | peterS: yeah, but who compiles for ia64 other than those open sores hippies? |
| 18:56.34 | peterS | zinx: eh? I've run more commercial software on ia64 than open source |
| 18:56.43 | zinx | peterS: o_O |
| 18:56.45 | peterS | zinx: not under Linux, mind you, this was HP-UX mainly |
| 18:56.53 | Bombo | so i updated /etc/console-tools/config commented out the SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 and voila |
| 18:56.59 | Fennec | pffft, you should all give it up and switch to z/OS. :) |
| 18:57.18 | stew | zinx: caballero.d.o compiles for ia64 :) |
| 18:57.22 | Bombo | good 80x50 console font ;) |
| 18:57.34 | peterS | zinx: HP-UX on Itanium2 was quite a compelling thing, quite a bit faster than the PA-RISC chips available at the same time, and the OS could even run PA-RISC binaries through an emulator, quite seamlessly and fast. |
| 18:57.37 | asg | Fennec: you should switch to Microsoft Bob |
| 18:58.00 | zinx | stew: i would imagine most stuff will compile for it, if you have the source, and it's well-written.. all the stuff i've written would compile for it :D |
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| 18:58.06 | asg | Piggy: squeal |
| 18:58.08 | abrotman | piggy! |
| 18:58.13 | Fennec | asg: you can't run Linux on Microsoft Bob! :) |
| 18:58.13 | zinx | peterS: scary |
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| 18:58.37 | asg | Fennec: you can, it's hidden in the filing cabinet behind the stupid dog |
| 18:58.38 | peterS | zinx: I was kind of freaked out. like "uh, wait, what chip is inside this machine anyway? it's running all our old binaries at their usual speed!" |
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| 18:58.57 | Bombo | where is the default locales set in debian (etch)? |
| 18:59.05 | stew | Bombo: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:59.08 | asg | Bombo: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:59.17 | stew | !pubtime |
| 18:59.17 | dpkg | [pubtime] time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:59.19 | Bombo | stew: asg thx |
| 18:59.22 | asg | \o/ |
| 18:59.24 | zinx | peterS: to me, it sounds like the chip you had before was quite slow :) |
| 18:59.58 | nceterbal | Despite the fact that I have edited /etc/hdparm/conf, DMA keeps turning itself off for /dev/hdd. /dev/hdc and hda don't have this problem. How can I permanently enable dma for hdd? |
| 19:00.20 | peterS | zinx: to me, it sounds like you weren't running a lot of applications that used large amounts of floating point and memory bandwidth in 2001, or if you were, you didn't compare the various CPUs you could be running them on |
| 19:00.36 | Bombo | stew: asg: i have to reboot to use the new settings? |
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| 19:00.49 | zinx | peterS: i don't have that kind of cash :) |
| 19:00.52 | jengelh | The debian installer by default loads vga16fb.ko. How can I suppress this? |
| 19:00.58 | stew | Bombo: no, but you need to log out and back in |
| 19:01.03 | Bombo | i changed the locale and typed "locale" and its still not changed |
| 19:01.12 | Bombo | stew: oh |
| 19:01.29 | Bombo | stew: thx again ;) |
| 19:01.48 | peterS | zinx: sure if all you have is a file server, you don't need memory bandwidth or floating point. may as well run white box intel. but if you're doing FEM, it's a whole different story |
| 19:01.55 | stew | twm |
| 19:01.58 | stew | EKEYBOARD |
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| 19:04.16 | nite613_ | I have patched source under /usr/src/modules, is there a way to tell m-a not to overwrite it by unpacking the packaged source again? |
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| 19:05.05 | nite613_ | alterately, how can I build the module based on that source without the help of m-a? |
| 19:07.13 | nkuttler | nite613_: make-kpkg modules_image? |
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| 19:07.31 | Bombo | hmm damn utf8 |
| 19:08.24 | Bombo | i now set everything to de_DE@euro but when i type german umlauts i need two backspaces to remove |
| 19:09.21 | Bombo | strange |
| 19:09.24 | nite613_ | nkuttler: Will I have to rebuild my kernel for that? I use a stock kernel package and like it that way; m-a builds my module for me with no problem, I just need to get the patch to stick. |
| 19:10.52 | nkuttler | nite613_: kernel-header package for your kernel should be enough... but i've never done it as i always build my own kernels |
| 19:11.13 | nkuttler | nite613_: i guess the kernel-package docs explain it |
| 19:11.42 | nite613_ | hmm, actually it seems I succeeded in faking out m-a by just moving the module source out of the way |
| 19:12.07 | Bombo | how do i disable the utf8 input? |
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| 19:15.08 | Bombo | crazy now all umlauts in the menus are gone |
| 19:15.43 | weggpod | why when i try to install debian with kernel 2.6, debian bug during the installation? |
| 19:16.22 | guilherme-jorge_ | oi |
| 19:17.19 | toad_ | mkinitrd doesn't work for me |
| 19:17.26 | weggpod | sorry for my bad english.... |
| 19:17.29 | toad_ | i'm trying to create an initrd for a diskless client |
| 19:17.35 | stew | toad_: for which kernel version? |
| 19:17.44 | toad_ | it always gets Cannot determine SCSI module |
| 19:18.00 | weggpod | any ideas for my problem |
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| 19:18.05 | toad_ | running 2.6.16.14, trying to make one for 2.6.17.6 |
| 19:18.15 | toad_ | for a separate machine |
| 19:18.38 | stew | toad_: use yaird or initramfs-tools, mkinitrd relies on devfs which is removed from kernels >= 2.6.13. |
| 19:19.01 | stew | toad_: initramfs-tools uses udev, but it is preferred over yaird. unless you are against udev i'd recommend it |
| 19:19.20 | toad_ | the system will use udev |
| 19:19.30 | weggpod | why debian sarge keep hotplug ? |
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| 19:19.55 | stew | weggpod: becuase its the only way to load firmware in sarge |
| 19:20.06 | toad_ | stew: how to get initramfs-tools ? apt-get install initramfs-tools does not install it |
| 19:20.15 | toad_ | stew: are you assuming i'm on etch? |
| 19:20.24 | weggpod | stew and in the future version ? |
| 19:20.26 | stew | toad_: yes. if not, get it from backports.org, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 19:21.03 | stew | weggpod: etch (which will become debian 4.0) will provide both udev and hotplug which are mutually exclusive. etch's udev will be able to completely replace hotplug |
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| 19:21.15 | toad_ | stew: initrd-netboot-tools perhaps? |
| 19:21.25 | stew | toad_: no, initramfs-tools |
| 19:21.38 | toad_ | stew: why? |
| 19:21.43 | weggpod | when debian 4.0 will leave |
| 19:21.49 | toad_ | i'd need a good reason to use stuff outside sarge |
| 19:21.50 | stew | weggpod: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 19:21.53 | Tallu | Using sarge with default 2.4 kernel, trying to upgrade to 2.6.16 using the dpkg instructions, but I get this error: linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 (= 2.6.16-13bpo1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 19:21.55 | stew | toad_: why what? |
| 19:22.09 | enyc | that is a backports.org kernel ? |
| 19:22.10 | zob000 | hi, is there a way i can see what apt-get source does ? like the actual commands it executes |
| 19:22.24 | Tallu | enyc: yeah |
| 19:22.34 | enyc | Tallu: whats the problem ;-) ? |
| 19:22.38 | stew | toad_: why doesn't mkinitrd work? becuase it relies on devfs which was removed from recent kernels |
| 19:22.45 | weggpod | and for my problem someone has a solution ? |
| 19:22.46 | toad_ | stew: why do i have to use a definitionally buggy backport from unstable? |
| 19:22.58 | Tallu | enyc: well I ran this: apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-to and it came with the error of unmet dependencies |
| 19:23.04 | stew | toad_: how is it "definitionally buggy? |
| 19:23.06 | toad_ | stew: and the same for initrd-netboot-tools ? |
| 19:23.12 | enyc | I see |
| 19:23.16 | Tallu | heh, was missing this from paste : ols linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:23.23 | enyc | Tallu: Ive not uset the bacrkports oin the mode wher you can use -t etc. |
| 19:23.32 | enyc | Aah well |
| 19:23.33 | toad_ | stew: because it's not in stable |
| 19:23.34 | enyc | there you go |
| 19:23.44 | stew | Tallu: don't install linux-iamge-2.6-686, but explicitly install linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 and you must also explicitly install udev grub and initramfs-tools at the same time |
| 19:23.47 | Tallu | Nono I mean from the paste I gave you |
| 19:23.56 | Tallu | stew: okay |
| 19:24.01 | weggpod | stew any idea ? |
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| 19:24.19 | stew | toad_: you don't. stick to the stable 2.6.8 kernel then |
| 19:24.27 | Tallu | stew: that worked, thanks |
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| 19:24.46 | stew | weggpod: what is the error you are getting? |
| 19:24.58 | stew | weggpod: use a pastebin to show us the exact command you are running and the exact output |
| 19:24.59 | weggpod | freeze |
| 19:25.04 | toad_ | stew: does sarge use devfs normally then? i use udev here... |
| 19:25.05 | B__S | Hi people. |
| 19:25.26 | stew | toad_: mkinitrd does |
| 19:25.30 | weggpod | ste i try to install debian with option linux26 but my installation freeze.... |
| 19:25.31 | B__S | Anybody here work with Mono and ASP.NET 1.1 running on mono on corporate environment? |
| 19:25.39 | toad_ | stew: meaning it's on by default in debian kernels? |
| 19:25.59 | stew | toad_: devfs is enabled in sarge's 2.6.8 kernel |
| 19:26.23 | stew | weggpod: does the 2.4 kernel work? you could also try /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:26.37 | toad_ | will using backports cause all my packages to get upgraded to the unstable version if i do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 19:26.49 | stew | toad_: http://backports.org/instructions.html |
| 19:26.58 | weggpod | stew ye when i install with 2.4 kernel, my sinstallation finish normally |
| 19:27.31 | stew | weggpod: you can install the 2.4 kernel, then try upgrading to a 2.6 kernel after the installation is complete, /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 19:28.19 | mcquaid | how do i get apt or dpkg to show all pkgs i have installed with a wildcard? |
| 19:29.04 | stew | mcquaid: "dpkg -l lib\*" for instance |
| 19:29.23 | weggpod | stew thanks |
| 19:29.52 | mcquaid | hmm, well not necessarily in lib. for example i want to list all pkgs containing xfce |
| 19:30.02 | mcquaid | dpkg -l xfce? |
| 19:30.02 | dpkg | ii xfce 2.7-4 mcquaid's private porn collection |
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| 19:30.19 | stew | toad_: also note that you may need the grub from backports to use the newer kernel |
| 19:30.24 | stew | mcquaid: dpkg -l xfce\* |
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| 19:30.56 | stew | mcquaid: alternatively: dpkg -l "xfce*" |
| 19:31.19 | drasko | hi all. Where ale libc sources kept under Debian? |
| 19:31.20 | B__S | Anybody here work with Mono and ASP.NET 1.1 running on mono on corporate environment? |
| 19:31.22 | mcquaid | ok almost there but two problems, the names get truncated and it list all available, not all i have installed |
| 19:31.25 | zob000 | is there a command line way of doing what apt-get source does ? i am trying to avoid changing the apt/sources which i do not have access to |
| 19:31.40 | mcquaid | doh, fullscreen term solved the name prob |
| 19:31.46 | stew | drasko: "apt-get source libc6" would install them to $PWD |
| 19:31.59 | mcquaid | anyway to list only when version is populated? |
| 19:32.02 | toad_ | stew: initrd's use grub? |
| 19:32.25 | stew | mcquaid: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l xfce\* | grep ^.i" |
| 19:32.28 | drasko | stew, thanks |
| 19:32.33 | stew | toad_: no, the other way around |
| 19:32.35 | nihilocrat | other way around |
| 19:32.37 | nihilocrat | oops |
| 19:33.04 | toad_ | no, this is for pxe booting |
| 19:33.14 | toad_ | syslinux supports initrd's |
| 19:33.31 | CrippsFX | I just compiled a vanilla kernel from kernel.org, and I did "make modules" and "make modules_install" but when I started the new kernel it gave me the errors "failed to load <module>.dep" ... what step am I forgetting to do? |
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| 19:34.04 | stew | toad_: i don't know if syslinux would support it or not, i have had trouble getting syslinux to load newer initrds |
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| 19:34.49 | j2^ | Good evening all! |
| 19:34.56 | mcquaid | thx stew, i got it working |
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| 19:35.08 | the_mug | stew: how can I get ALL the packages installed and use the EXACT same setup on another box with same hardware specs? |
| 19:35.26 | stew | the_mug: what do you mean by "ALL" |
| 19:35.33 | j2^ | If i do "X -screen TV i now get video via my PVR-350 video out. But how do i change the config of xfree so that mode becomes the default? |
| 19:35.56 | toad_ | stew: so what are my options then? |
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| 19:36.12 | stew | the_mug: maybe you are looking for /msg dpkg selections |
| 19:36.36 | toad_ | stew: initramfs-tools will produce a cpio archive, not a cramfs, right? |
| 19:36.47 | the_mug | stew: well... I just got through installing this Debian / Ruby / Rails / Apache 2.2.2 / Mod_FCGID and I want to document all the packages I installed and which I did from source... |
| 19:37.03 | stew | toad_: i don't know for sure. syslinux might work. i've had trouble getting syslinux to boot recent kernels, but i'm working with unreleased hardware so i don't know if its the problem of the hardware or the initrd. syslinux might work for you, grub from bpo should definately work |
| 19:38.00 | toad_ | stew: how do i use grub over pxe? |
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| 19:38.15 | toad_ | i use grub to boot the server already... |
| 19:38.20 | stew | the_mug: "/msg dpkg selections" for the package managed stuff. for the non-package managed stuff, you'll have to do some stuff by hand, but hopefully, moving /usr/local /opt and /etc from one box to the other should get most of it, you might have to grab pieces from /var/lib as well |
| 19:38.23 | the_mug | stew: I think you're on to something with this 'selections' deal... good lead. Gracias! |
| 19:38.29 | stew | the_mug: oh, pxe? i don't know |
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| 19:38.51 | the_mug | pxe? wha? |
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| 19:38.58 | abrotman | the_mug: it was a misfire |
| 19:39.05 | the_mug | ha! :-p |
| 19:39.05 | abrotman | toad_: maybe ask #grub if it's possible |
| 19:39.23 | charlesnw | question: is there a specfic channel for debian development/packaging questions? |
| 19:39.35 | stew | charlesnw: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 19:39.43 | charlesnw | thanks |
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| 19:39.54 | stew | toad_: sorry i don't know about pxe |
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| 19:40.02 | toad_ | :| |
| 19:40.03 | jengelh | There's one strange thing going on. |
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| 19:40.12 | jengelh | debian's dhcp client always send "sb" as hostname... |
| 19:40.13 | the_mug | stew: I got the compiled stuff very well documented.. that's no prob... I think this selections deal is what I was looking for. thanks! |
| 19:40.20 | netcrash | HEllo , any ideas on how to check if a linux supports multicast ? |
| 19:40.25 | toad_ | well to use initramfs-tools i will need a new udev as well... |
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| 19:40.40 | abrotman | netcrash: it does |
| 19:40.41 | jengelh | netcrash : gzip -cd /proc/config.gz | grep MULTICAST |
| 19:40.46 | toad_ | and maybe other things |
| 19:40.49 | zob000 | is there a way to tell apt-get where to fetch source packages whithout editing /etc/apt/sources ? |
| 19:41.01 | stew | netcrash: grep MULTICAST /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:42.01 | netcrash | thank you |
| 19:42.01 | stew | zob000: why not just use wget && dpkg-source -x ? |
| 19:42.20 | Pryon | zob000: you could write your own config file which points to a different sources list and then use -c to use that config file |
| 19:42.38 | the_mug | stew: what are these 'deinstall' packages? am I supposed to purge these or what? |
| 19:42.59 | enyc | the_mug: they are packages which have been removed but config files left |
| 19:43.00 | the_mug | stew: this was after running: dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt |
| 19:43.00 | zob000 | stew, thats exactly what i was looking for. i did not knew about dpkg-source ! thnx man |
| 19:43.20 | the_mug | enyc: so... how can I clean that up? |
| 19:43.24 | enyc | the_mug: you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove the config files r.e. a package |
| 19:43.50 | the_mug | gotcha thanks enyc |
| 19:44.06 | enyc | the_mug: if you want to remove all (possibly modified) configs when removing a package do 'apt-get --purge remove <package>' |
| 19:44.19 | enyc | that will 'purge' configs on all removed files etc. |
| 19:45.00 | enyc | removed packages even |
| 19:47.06 | the_mug | got it. cleansed and purged from all badness. :-) |
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| 19:49.35 | stoned | good morning |
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| 19:52.03 | stew | the_mug: those are packages which you have installed and then removed. you don't have to worry about them |
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| 19:53.38 | dhuv | hello all |
| 19:54.13 | dhuv | I am not sure if this is the right place to ask but I figured I would start here, I had a bunch of pics taken with a camer which had the wrong datatime configured |
| 19:54.22 | dhuv | so now all the pictures have an incorrect datetime |
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| 19:54.39 | dhuv | is there a utility which will help me edit the exif data on the jpg? |
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| 19:57.58 | Fennec | yes. |
| 19:58.34 | Fennec | apt-cache search exif points at exif2 as a likely candidate |
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| 19:58.47 | Fennec | also, jhead |
| 19:59.00 | Fennec | libimage-exif-perl |
| 19:59.16 | Fennec | things like that |
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| 20:00.22 | dhuv | Fennec: i just found exiv2, I am going to try that |
| 20:00.23 | dhuv | thanks |
| 20:00.25 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to fetch all images from a given folder using wget ? ie. wget http://domain/folder/* |
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| 20:03.40 | hjubal | hola |
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| 20:05.58 | Fennec | Jemt: wget -r perhaps? |
| 20:06.11 | Fennec | Jemt: if the folder is giving you a nice directory listing? |
| 20:06.11 | Jemt | Fennec: I'll give it a try :) |
| 20:06.16 | Jemt | Fennec: It is not |
| 20:06.44 | Fennec | oh, if it is not... do you have a list of the files? do you have alternative (nonHTTP) access to the folder? umm.... you probably DON'T have WebDAV... |
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| 20:07.37 | sng | abrotman: 42. |
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| 20:09.34 | CruX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.48 | CruX| | how can i remove debian from gcc binaries ? |
| 20:10.03 | CruX| | without recompilation |
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| 20:10.48 | jengelh | How can I remove vga16fb from the initrd? |
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| 20:11.20 | nuke | im using bittornado text version as my torrnt client, how can i tell it to download only certail files in a torrent? |
| 20:12.03 | CruX| | nuke: you cant |
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| 20:12.13 | CruX| | nuke: use azureus |
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| 20:12.44 | nuke | azereus has console version? |
| 20:12.50 | CruX| | all other torrent clients for linux sux for this |
| 20:12.50 | CruX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.57 | CruX| | no havent |
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| 20:13.07 | nuke | i dun have x on that comp |
| 20:13.17 | CruX| | then you can't download |
| 20:13.33 | CruX| | nuke: use rtorrent |
| 20:13.39 | CruX| | but rtorrent sux too |
| 20:14.03 | nuke | as long as its got console version and i can dld certain files in the torrent, tis fine |
| 20:14.05 | CruX| | stupid interface, trackerless download absent |
| 20:14.31 | nuke | k.il;l give it a try |
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| 20:14.46 | anders_ | hello |
| 20:14.52 | klikklak | hi, I'm trying to setup dosbox to work with kali and moo2. It's |
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| 20:18.20 | stoned | I need some help with cuztomizing a source |
| 20:18.26 | stoned | I apt-get build-dep package |
| 20:18.34 | stoned | then apt-get source package |
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| 20:18.52 | stoned | which one of the source files downloaded do I need to edit the code in |
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| 20:18.58 | stoned | orig.tar.gz? |
| 20:19.06 | stoned | or diff.gz? |
| 20:19.15 | codeshepherd | i am new to debian.. how do i configure static ip to eth0 in my system |
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| 20:20.18 | Bitz_ | hi, is there away to determine the file system type before mount a disk partition? |
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| 20:20.27 | jduggan | codeshepherd, see /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:20.36 | cds | Where do I put mplayer codecs? |
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| 20:20.53 | jduggan | cds, read the install/readme in the mplayer package |
| 20:21.06 | cds | It's not an mplayer package. |
| 20:21.08 | cds | It's just the dll. |
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| 20:22.33 | AstralHead | Bitz_: cant u just try to mount it with "-t autofs"? |
| 20:22.43 | AstralHead | works fine for me |
| 20:22.49 | AstralHead | for ext3 and reiserfs |
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| 20:25.13 | stoned | anyone? |
| 20:25.59 | stoned | package basics is tooooo long to read, and I'm not looking for a spoonfeed, but I am somewhat short on time, I'll read after work tonight, but right now, where do I modify the package source, in which file? after apt-get source pkg |
| 20:26.16 | stoned | oh god |
| 20:26.20 | stoned | I AM a blind man |
| 20:26.30 | stoned | nevermind, I found it |
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| 20:27.28 | s3gfault | im running apache2 and mod_perl on debian stable and want to set @INC for my cgi scripts, I tried the 2 methods in the apache docs and it didnt work, isthere something debian specific im missing? |
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| 20:30.11 | Fennec | s3gfault: unlikely. |
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| 20:31.00 | stoned | if anyone cares, its section 6.1 of the apt-howto |
| 20:32.09 | liran1 | the 'ls -i' command shows free inodes or total inodes or just the inode number? |
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| 20:32.31 | Bombo | is there a top that shows usage per cpu on a smp system? |
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| 20:33.06 | Bombo | like cpu0: 10% cpu1: 20% |
| 20:33.31 | stoned | use htop |
| 20:33.41 | stoned | Bombo, apt-get install htop |
| 20:33.56 | Bombo | ok |
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| 20:34.26 | AstralHead | stoned: do u mean /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:34.29 | abrotman | or atop |
| 20:34.32 | stoned | Astinus, huh/ |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | !tell AstralHead about u |
| 20:34.39 | Bombo | stoned: nice one ;) |
| 20:34.41 | stoned | atop is good too |
| 20:35.04 | stoned | AstralHead, I wasn't looking at the apt-howto hard enough. I found it |
| 20:35.14 | Bombo | both cpus at 99% ;) compiling a kernel with make -j2 |
| 20:35.20 | abrotman | only -j2? |
| 20:35.22 | stoned | AstralHead, I need to apply a custom code patch to a package, I found out how to do it |
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| 20:35.38 | stoned | s/need/needed |
| 20:35.43 | AstralHead | should i feel pissed now? do i have to type every word 100% correctly when i try to help? |
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| 20:35.49 | stoned | AstralHead, yes |
| 20:35.49 | AstralHead | i see its not needed to help .. |
| 20:35.50 | Bombo | i just got 2 cpus (its a Pentium D) |
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| 20:36.19 | stoned | AstralHead, it gets really hard/annoying tryint to decipher u/r/ne1... etc. |
| 20:36.55 | AstralHead | it's no problem .. i won't say anything again |
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| 20:37.37 | stoned | AstralHead, don't feel discouraged, we could use your help here. |
| 20:37.38 | Bombo | abrotman: does it make sense to use more than -j2 on a PD? |
| 20:37.46 | abrotman | Bombo: i usually go n+1 |
| 20:37.59 | abrotman | n*2 isn't so bad ... |
| 20:38.08 | LordBrain | hey, is apt still the bot? |
| 20:38.09 | abrotman | n*3 if you have nothing else to do for a while :) |
| 20:38.11 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:38.11 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 20:38.14 | stoned | AstralHead, point being, if one can't take the time to type out a full word, why should we take the time to try and decipher this |
| 20:38.15 | Bombo | abrotman: n=number of cpus? |
| 20:38.18 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:38.21 | abrotman | or cores in your case |
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| 20:38.34 | abrotman | but i found n+1 .. i could still do stuff |
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| 20:39.02 | abrotman | admittedly .. i think the difference in speed for the build was minor |
| 20:39.05 | LordBrain | hey, i'm looking to the documentation to openoffice |
| 20:39.06 | Bombo | abrotman: hmkay |
| 20:39.11 | LordBrain | looking for |
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| 20:39.23 | abrotman | like .. /usr/share/doc/openoffice* ? |
| 20:39.32 | LordBrain | well |
| 20:39.38 | LordBrain | yes.. its not starting when i click in teh gui tho |
| 20:40.08 | abrotman | oh .. that's a better question :) |
| 20:40.36 | abrotman | did you install the openoffice.org-help-<countrycode> ? |
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| 20:40.51 | LordBrain | ah |
| 20:40.54 | moyix|work | whoops |
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| 20:40.54 | LordBrain | no |
| 20:40.58 | LordBrain | thats probably my problem |
| 20:43.27 | LordBrain | aha, now i have it |
| 20:43.30 | LordBrain | thanks |
| 20:44.39 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 20:45.32 | LordBrain | hmmm the contents pane doesnt get filled even tho it does show the page on the right |
| 20:45.45 | LordBrain | that doesnt seem normal... |
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| 20:46.36 | LordBrain | ah.. a restart of openoffice.org fixed it |
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| 20:51.53 | liran1 | is there a way to distinguish between 2 hard links? |
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| 20:52.51 | v|p3r | liran1: what u mean? |
| 20:53.43 | yalu | I have a little problem. running testing, udev installed, and when plugging in a scanner the file /dev/bus/usb/022 (which is the scanners device node) isn't chgrp'ed to "scanner". anyone an idea how that comes? |
| 20:53.50 | Pryon | liran1: They should have different names |
| 20:54.15 | Pryon | (taking the path into consideration, that is) |
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| 20:56.32 | Coke | Why would xorg (7.0.0) claim "nvidia" does not exist even though the nvidia module is loaded? |
| 20:56.44 | abrotman | yalu: udev rules ? |
| 20:56.56 | Bombo | Coke: i got the same prob |
| 20:57.50 | Coke | Bombo: I'm googling on it via console. |
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| 20:59.05 | abrotman | Coke: binary incompatibiulityuy? |
| 20:59.13 | abrotman | holy crap .. that was all my fingers at once! |
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| 20:59.25 | yalu | abrotman: I guess so. I don't think there are any good default rules for usb scanners in Debian |
| 21:00.02 | Coke | abrotman: this problem came after upgrading to xorg 7.0.0 |
| 21:00.12 | hardbop200 | has anyone been able to get steam/counterstrike running on debian testing? |
| 21:00.23 | yalu | abrotman: and, off course I have no clue how to set them, not too familiar with udev |
| 21:00.37 | hardbop200 | I keep running into probs, finding solutions, and then another prob comes up :( |
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| 21:01.55 | Gokee2 | My computer has developed disappearing text. In chat windows buttons basically every program text just goes away. The first part is normally there put after a few words its gone. If its a button putting the mouse over it to select it makes the text come back, if its selectable text selecting it lets me see it. Other then that its gone... I tried to use ksnapshot to show the behaver but the text is there in the snapshot. Any ideas? |
| 21:01.56 | abrotman | Coke: have you rebuilt the driver since upgrading ? |
| 21:02.38 | Coke | abrotman: no. |
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| 21:02.45 | Coke | abrotman: I'm downloading a newer version while I'm at it, so it will be rebuilt. |
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| 21:03.35 | Coke | abrotman: I guess they've introduced something new in the interface in xorg version. |
| 21:03.41 | abrotman | you'll have ot rebuild it |
| 21:03.45 | abrotman | the joys of nvidia ... |
| 21:04.17 | Coke | abrotman: tell me about it. at least it isn't ATI anyway. :) |
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| 21:05.48 | abrotman | Coke: it'd be the same issue .. neither is better than the other |
| 21:05.50 | Coke | abrotman: it still claims nvidia does not exist. |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | non-free binary crap |
| 21:06.11 | M2C2E | anyone know the status of adding freenx to sid packages? |
| 21:06.18 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 21:06.23 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 21:06.23 | dpkg | wnpp is probably Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it. |
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| 21:07.36 | Coke | abrotman: was that link for me? |
| 21:07.38 | p0t_ | http://img446.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stormybliss1qe6.jpg |
| 21:07.41 | cds | Where do I put codec files in mplayer? |
| 21:07.44 | p0t_ | is that good looking wallaper? |
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| 21:08.02 | p0t_ | cds, /usr/lib/win32 |
| 21:08.24 | cds | p0t_: That directory doesn't exist - can I just make it? |
| 21:10.15 | abrotman | Coke: yep |
| 21:10.46 | p0t_ | cds, yea |
| 21:10.55 | w00t | p0t_ beer wallpaper is better |
| 21:11.01 | p0t_ | what do you guys think of that damn wallpaper |
| 21:11.16 | p0t_ | i added the swirl idk if should post it somewhere |
| 21:11.23 | cds | p0t_: Ah yes, it works now, thanks a lot :) |
| 21:11.35 | abrotman | p0t_: come on .. noone cares |
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| 21:11.38 | p0t_ | cds, that wil be one blowjob please |
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| 21:11.49 | p0t_ | abrotman, :( |
| 21:11.49 | w00t | beer is cool |
| 21:11.58 | p0t_ | fool |
| 21:11.59 | g333k | Hi, is there a way to use gFTP in "passive off" mode? |
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| 21:12.20 | p0t_ | g333k, look in connection or firewall settings |
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| 21:13.36 | g333k | p0t_, I have searched, but if you are sure that there's an option, I will search better |
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| 21:14.09 | yalu | abrotman: just in case you're interested: I solved the problem with a udev rule and re-plugging the scanner: SYSFS{idVendor}=="04a5", SYSFS{idProduct}=="20b0", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner" |
| 21:14.10 | Coke | abrotman: it is a path issue |
| 21:14.16 | p0t_ | g333k, i havent used it in a while but more than likely its there if not just use ftp |
| 21:14.21 | abrotman | Coke: i figured as much |
| 21:14.23 | abrotman | yalu: eww! |
| 21:14.29 | Coke | Bombo: check out the link abrotman gave me. |
| 21:14.37 | Coke | abrotman: thanks. need to quit this console. :) |
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| 21:14.44 | Dunedan | Does anybody know a solution to make a word wrap in the port_banner of portsentry? |
| 21:15.01 | w00t | no one drunk beer boyz ? wtf |
| 21:15.32 | yalu | abrotman: think that's ugly? |
| 21:16.39 | abrotman | yalu: udev rules are ugly in general :) |
| 21:16.58 | yalu | abrotman: wel, ok :) |
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| 21:23.47 | jengelh | Hm I can't find libpam0g in /pub/linux/debian/debian/pool/main/libp -- any hints? |
| 21:24.58 | abrotman | jengelh: apt-cache show libpam0g .. where does it say it is ? |
| 21:25.07 | jengelh | Filename: pool/main/p/pam/libpam0g_0.76-22_i386.deb |
| 21:25.09 | jengelh | sigh |
| 21:25.13 | jengelh | that's some ordering |
| 21:25.14 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:25.22 | abrotman | i didn't do it .. blame them -- > |
| 21:25.41 | jengelh | !help |
| 21:25.47 | abrotman | help what? |
| 21:25.56 | jengelh | nothing help. Just wanted the bot to msg me :) |
| 21:26.05 | jengelh | was looking for !blame |
| 21:26.08 | dabreegster | jengelh: /msg dpkg trigger |
| 21:26.25 | jengelh | dabreegster : That's the problem... I needed to remember the name of the bot |
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| 21:26.50 | jengelh | anyway problem solved so far |
| 21:27.02 | abrotman | !blame jengelh |
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| 21:27.14 | abrotman | !tell jengelh about help |
| 21:27.20 | jengelh | -.- |
| 21:27.44 | T_V | hey all. somebody inhere that is able to help me with rsync ? i have started it as a daemon. when i do connect from the machine (to localhost or the external ip) it works. But from outside it doesnt work. The firewall has got the right port (873) open, but still doesnt connect. even opening all ports doesnt give any result. the configfile is very basic (no hosts denied or something like that) doe anybody has got an idea ? |
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| 21:28.13 | stew | T_V: what command are you using on the remote side? |
| 21:28.27 | T_V | just simple rsync <ip>:: |
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| 21:28.49 | T_V | the same as on localhost, where it does give results |
| 21:29.23 | T_V | *i mean: on the machine itself |
| 21:29.24 | stew | T_V: that will try to use ssh as the transport, i think you want rsync rsync://host/path /path/to/localdest |
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| 21:29.50 | T_V | hmm let me try :) |
| 21:29.56 | jengelh | wow I just realized how old sarge 3.1 must be |
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| 21:30.27 | stew | T_V: oh, hmm i had missed the double colon, which i think means to use rsync, so maybe i'm wrong |
| 21:30.37 | crazy_penguin | i wish a good night to all! sleep well! :) |
| 21:31.23 | T_V | well the result is exactly the same hehe :) |
| 21:31.49 | T_V | it just 'hangs' i have to cancel the operation (ctrl+c) |
| 21:32.04 | T_V | no error, nothing. |
| 21:32.12 | T_V | tried it also from different hosts |
| 21:32.21 | T_V | strange huh :S |
| 21:34.46 | jengelh | pam 0.76 (debian 3.1) is like 2002 |
| 21:35.21 | T_V | it aint the rsync client. just test that on another server. that works.. |
| 21:35.48 | stew | T_V: can you telnet to 873 from remote and get a connection? |
| 21:36.03 | T_V | nope. no reaction |
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| 21:36.15 | stew | T_V: then it sounds like a networking problem of some sort |
| 21:36.36 | stew | T_V: is rsync listening to 127.0.0.1:873 or 0.0.0.0:873 on the server? |
| 21:36.50 | T_V | 0.0.0.0:873 |
| 21:37.13 | T_V | im going to read the options for networking.. |
| 21:37.22 | T_V | maybe that will bring me a solution |
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| 21:37.33 | stew | T_V: can you ping the server from remote? |
| 21:37.43 | stew | T_V: is it maybe a dns problem? |
| 21:37.44 | T_V | yes. its operational |
| 21:38.07 | T_V | no. i do use the ip to connect tbh |
| 21:38.24 | T_V | so dns could not be the problem. i can connect to ssh for example |
| 21:38.30 | stew | T_V: if you can ping, but you cannot connect to 873 from remote, then its a firewall dropping your packets |
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| 21:39.13 | T_V | i already opened all ports (to test it) but well. let me check it by switching off temporarely |
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| 21:40.23 | T_V | hmm. it is the firewall. strange. which other ports it does use to connect..... |
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| 21:41.05 | T_V | stew: thnx for the help. i will go search for the details. main thing is, rsync works |
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| 21:44.35 | stew | T_V: you're welcome. do you have your firewall rules improperly ordered perhaps? like a catch-all rule that is denying that is matched before the one that's supposed to accept it? |
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| 21:45.16 | T_V | hmm good point.. |
| 21:47.30 | T_V | narf. i feel stupid.. i was configurating the wrong interface.. somebody hit me :S |
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| 21:50.31 | destr0 | how do you mark a package for installation with aptitude |
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| 21:50.46 | stew | destr0: /msg dpkg mg |
| 21:50.56 | stew | !hit T_V |
| 21:52.26 | T_V | :D |
| 21:52.31 | jengelh | -.- |
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| 21:55.37 | Birdman | I'm trying to get exim to forward mail sent to root to my own account elsewhere, i can run "exim -v -odf outside-address@mydomain.com" that works, but if i try to send to root (exim -v -odf root) it seems to be ignoring the aliases file and just passes onto the smarthost with address root@hostname. |
| 21:56.11 | Birdman | can anyone point out what i'm missing here? |
| 21:57.03 | petemc | Birdman: just edit /etc/aliases - root: you@somewhere |
| 21:57.30 | Birdman | petemc: done, and ran newaliases after that, but still no dice |
| 21:57.36 | petemc | you dont need to run newaliases |
| 21:57.44 | petemc | if you want to test an address, use exim -bt |
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| 21:58.52 | Birdman | i've been trying that |
| 21:59.06 | Birdman | and i'm not entirely sure how to read that, but as far as i can tell it is not doing any of the alias renaming |
| 21:59.55 | Birdman | it just repeats the email address @hostname, then says it is going to send it to smarthost |
| 22:00.14 | petemc | that sounds correct |
| 22:00.25 | petemc | the first line is the address it will end up at |
| 22:01.12 | Birdman | that is always the same as the one i've just typed in, regardless of what the aliases file says |
| 22:01.19 | Birdman | eg exim -bt postmaster |
| 22:01.29 | Birdman | R: smarthost for postmaster@sekhmet |
| 22:01.52 | Birdman | even though there is the postmaster: root in the aliases file |
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| 22:02.13 | petemc | im not sure what you're on about, this isnt complicated |
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| 22:03.16 | Birdman | :-) |
| 22:04.01 | petemc | how do you know it doesnt work? |
| 22:04.05 | Birdman | i never get the email |
| 22:04.37 | petemc | what do the logs say? |
| 22:04.52 | petemc | what are you using to send the mail? |
| 22:05.12 | Birdman | exim4 going out through smarthost |
| 22:05.16 | Birdman | i have verified that it works |
| 22:05.31 | petemc | what are you using to generate the mail? |
| 22:05.36 | Birdman | exim -v -odf my-actual-email@addres.org |
| 22:05.40 | Birdman | i get that |
| 22:05.45 | Birdman | it goes through just fine |
| 22:05.58 | Birdman | if i try to do a local account |
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| 22:06.10 | Birdman | that has an entry in the aliases file |
| 22:06.29 | petemc | thats a fairly obscure option, try with mail or mutt |
| 22:06.50 | Birdman | can i paste in this channel? |
| 22:06.52 | petemc | no |
| 22:06.54 | Birdman | the output of exim -bt |
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| 22:08.25 | Birdman | http://birdman.acceleration.net/exim.txt |
| 22:08.55 | Birdman | if i follow you correctly, when i do the exim -bt test |
| 22:09.13 | Birdman | it should look up in the aliases file and show me what address that will actually go to right? |
| 22:09.24 | petemc | Birdman: echo hello |mail root |
| 22:09.46 | Birdman | done... |
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| 22:11.27 | Birdman | i updated the txt file to show the last couple of lines of /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 22:12.34 | petemc | put the output of exim -d -bt root into that file |
| 22:13.53 | Birdman | done |
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| 22:15.07 | petemc | exim processes the routers in order, its using the smarthost router before the mail gets to the router that reads /etc/aliases |
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| 22:15.29 | petemc | presumably thats an option of debconf configured exim.. |
| 22:15.38 | zob000 | is there a "standard" way to get my tool {bin,sbin,man,lib} visible to the rest of the system ? my tool is installed on a non standard dir so i can just rm -rf it when i dont need it. |
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| 22:17.05 | zob000 | also the tool has /etc/init.d soft links script and the path needs to be correctly set befoore they run. |
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| 22:18.32 | jones- | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 22:18.33 | Birdman | petemc: the only reference i've been able to find to aliases in the README.Debian is about not being able to use pipe deliveries... which i don't think is applicable here? |
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| 22:19.59 | petemc | Birdman: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, there should be an option to use a smart host but also alllow local delivery |
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| 22:20.41 | jones- | also cgi.debian.org is down! |
| 22:20.58 | Birdman | petemc: I'll try different options there, thanks for the help! |
| 22:21.26 | jones- | well, how do i find out what package contains a certain file, if packages.debian.org is down? any command line tool? |
| 22:21.38 | stew | jones-: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:21.55 | jones- | stew: thanks |
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| 22:23.14 | RichiH | ok, this might sound silly, but what key do i press to get a paragraph sign on an US keyboard? |
| 22:23.19 | jones- | stew: but i mean to search a file in a package i haven't installed yet |
| 22:23.24 | oz_ | hello all |
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| 22:24.01 | oz_ | can anyone help me activat a wireless card ? it's an ipw2200 module, but I can't load it |
| 22:24.10 | stew | jones-: yeah, /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 22:24.34 | cb | is there any program to run an HP-all-in-one-printer-fax-scanner over the network? Ok Printer with Cups but what is with the Scanner and the Fax? |
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| 22:26.17 | stew | RichiH: you could use xkeycaps to assign it to a key with a modifier |
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| 22:26.31 | jones- | stew: thanks, it's now working. |
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| 22:33.10 | RichiH | stew: yah, i realized it was not even on the normal layout |
| 22:33.21 | RichiH | stew: i am spoiled by the 105 keys we enjoy ;) |
| 22:33.25 | RichiH | and alt-gr |
| 22:33.36 | RichiH | which the rest of the world calls right alt ;) |
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| 22:36.45 | Birdman | petemc: apparently the FQDN wasn't matching properly for that alias file or something, it is working now, thanks again |
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| 22:38.15 | syntaxx | where can i get mozilla plugins to view stream movies and others? |
| 22:38.26 | petemc | Birdman: the FQDN? matching what? |
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| 22:40.23 | Birdman | petemc: "System mail name" apparently could have been either localhost or sekhmet.acceleration.net, but not sekhmet |
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| 22:42.54 | vyrus | anybody here have experiance in building sendmail ? im trying to build a legacy version and the documentation is not helping mutch |
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| 22:44.27 | linux3 | hey can anyone here help me with setting up alsa? |
| 22:44.32 | linux3 | and then configuring laptop hotkeys |
| 22:44.36 | linux3 | along with wireless |
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| 22:45.48 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 22:46.02 | Shadowcat | would you like a sandwich with that as well? |
| 22:46.04 | linux3 | first i would like to get sound and hotkeys working |
| 22:46.06 | Shadowcat | maybe a weekend in Hawaii? |
| 22:46.11 | linux3 | Shadowcat, lol. maybe |
| 22:46.16 | Shadowcat | </sarcasm> |
| 22:46.22 | hatezilla | u want dries with that? |
| 22:46.24 | linux3 | Shadowcat, i just got this laptop and i run linux an donly linux |
| 22:46.27 | hatezilla | fries too |
| 22:46.28 | hatezilla | hehe |
| 22:46.31 | stew | linux3: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner ; install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
| 22:46.41 | linux3 | stew, well i installed alsa |
| 22:46.45 | linux3 | and it found a card |
| 22:46.48 | Shadowcat | you do realize that it takes several hours to do each of those tasks right? |
| 22:46.51 | linux3 | it says its an intel hda |
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| 22:47.11 | linux3 | Shadowcat, yep. linux may be a pain to get it to work but well worth it |
| 22:47.18 | stew | Shadowcat: it takes you several hours to get alsa running? |
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| 22:47.27 | Shadowcat | stew: depending on how you do it, yes |
| 22:47.37 | stew | Shadowcat: i don't want to know how you do it then |
| 22:47.37 | Shadowcat | for me it takes 45 min to compile the kernel |
| 22:47.39 | linux3 | and also for some reason my mouse won't allow me to click on anything sometimes |
| 22:47.44 | linux3 | im not sure why that happens |
| 22:47.50 | Shadowcat | linux3: what laptop is this? |
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| 22:48.01 | linux3 | Shadowcat, hp pavilion dv5000t |
| 22:48.11 | stew | linux3: is sound working then? did you load snd-pcm-oss? did you run alsamixer and unmute the volume? |
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| 22:48.15 | Shadowcat | have you checked if there are any quirks with that notebook when running linux? |
| 22:48.18 | stew | linux3: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 22:48.27 | Shadowcat | because not all laptops like linux |
| 22:48.36 | Shadowcat | in fact some are down right PITAs |
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| 22:48.38 | linux3 | Shadowcat, hp has linux running on it |
| 22:48.43 | linux3 | Shadowcat, with the quickplay tools |
| 22:48.47 | linux3 | Shadowcat, thats all linux |
| 22:48.58 | linux3 | Shadowcat, so it has to be supported under linux |
| 22:49.02 | Shadowcat | linux3: doesn't mean you'll be able to replicate it without a hell of a lot of work |
| 22:49.17 | Shadowcat | linux3: the acer travelmate 3xxx series can also run linux |
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| 22:49.25 | Shadowcat | but oh, it has a broken acpi table, so it's ONE hell of a hack |
| 22:49.36 | Shadowcat | find out about those errors, because your laptop might very well have them |
| 22:49.43 | linux3 | Shadowcat, well i did a lot of checking before i bought it and it seemed to have 100% supported hardware |
| 22:49.50 | linux3 | Shadowcat, right down to the hotkeys |
| 22:50.01 | Shadowcat | ok, are there any guides of the stuff working? |
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| 22:50.06 | Shadowcat | did you check tuxmobil.org? |
| 22:50.17 | Shadowcat | and if you found any guides, did you read them? |
| 22:50.25 | Shadowcat | because I'm sure they'll be a lot more helpful than we could be |
| 22:50.53 | linux3 | Shadowcat, now guides. way to new for them |
| 22:51.01 | linux3 | Shadowcat, i plan on writing one when i get it to work |
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| 22:52.05 | linux3 | Shadowcat, im gonna give this thing a reboot since i updated the kernel |
| 22:52.06 | linux3 | brb |
| 22:52.32 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 22:57.17 | Shadowcat | I'm guessing linux3's kernel didn't work |
| 22:57.24 | Shadowcat | or he'd be back by now |
| 22:57.37 | Fennec | so |
| 22:57.54 | Shadowcat | broken kernels == hell |
| 22:58.42 | Shadowcat | you're running linux? |
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| 22:58.47 | Shadowcat | inside a microsoft product? |
| 22:59.27 | Shadowcat | and wondering why it's not working? |
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| 23:00.10 | linux3 | back |
| 23:01.20 | Shadowcat | linux3: did it work? |
| 23:01.30 | abrotman | sng: coming from your ass undoubtedly |
| 23:01.38 | stew | abrotman: drop something, gravity will make itself apparant |
| 23:01.42 | linux3 | Shadowcat, nope |
| 23:01.43 | sng | Given that KDE sucks and blows chunks at the same time I fail to see the problem. |
| 23:01.44 | linux3 | no sound |
| 23:01.47 | sng | abrotman: Of course. |
| 23:02.07 | Shadowcat | linux3: you're not putting alsa into the kernel are you |
| 23:02.08 | Shadowcat | ? |
| 23:02.11 | stew | linux3: did you unmute using alsamixer? did you load the snd-pcm-oss module? does it work as root? |
| 23:02.11 | abrotman | stew: i'm trying to figure out if 7.1 is planned for etch .. i believe he said before it was |
| 23:02.12 | Shadowcat | you need that stuff as modules |
| 23:02.18 | stew | abrotman: it is |
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| 23:02.31 | abrotman | stew: but it's not a definitive item .. just a plan :) |
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| 23:02.59 | stew | abrotman: i believe so, yes. i believe the plan included it being in experimental weeks ago |
| 23:03.04 | linux3 | stew, hang on let me try loading the modules |
| 23:03.25 | abrotman | stew: you should help gravity .. he's failing! |
| 23:03.31 | Shadowcat | KDE owns! |
| 23:03.44 | stew | abrotman: i know. of course you should as well |
| 23:04.14 | abrotman | stew: oh .. we need one of those g-force chambers! .. that'll help gravity! |
| 23:04.39 | Shadowcat | right... wierdos! |
| 23:04.47 | Fennec | oooooh! I think I fixed it! |
| 23:05.07 | Fennec | if anyone asks about mice under Virtual PC, it seems they're exps2 |
| 23:05.08 | linux3 | snd-hda-intel |
| 23:05.08 | abrotman | Fennec: wait .. wait .. it'll fail ... |
| 23:05.11 | Fennec | and autops2 doesn't work |
| 23:05.13 | Fennec | :) |
| 23:05.14 | abrotman | wtf is exps2 ? |
| 23:05.16 | linux3 | that is the module it is trying to use with my soundcard |
| 23:05.25 | linux3 | the only volume control i have in alsamixer is |
| 23:05.27 | linux3 | PCM |
| 23:05.30 | linux3 | there is nothing else |
| 23:05.32 | linux3 | no master |
| 23:05.33 | abrotman | at all |
| 23:05.35 | Fennec | apparently it's the "intellimouse explorer" or similar |
| 23:05.40 | abrotman | oh .. weird . .ok |
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| 23:05.48 | abrotman | Fennec: is that the kind of mouse you really have ? |
| 23:05.49 | Fennec | and it's on /dev/psaux |
| 23:05.54 | stew | linux3: did you both unmute it and raise the volume? did you also load the snd-pcm-oss module? |
| 23:05.59 | abrotman | Fennec: it hsould be on /dev/input/mice |
| 23:06.04 | Fennec | dunno about /dev/mice. will try not. |
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| 23:06.14 | Fennec | abrotman: The mouse I really have? IBM TrackPoint<tm> integrated keyboard thing |
| 23:06.37 | abrotman | eh .. weird |
| 23:06.38 | abrotman | MS sucks |
| 23:06.49 | klikklak | hi, firefox just started crashing on me with memory overflows. Anyone else experience this? this is deb/testing |
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| 23:06.56 | Fennec | yeah, /dev/mice is a nogo |
| 23:06.58 | stoned | abrotman, hugs? |
| 23:07.00 | Fennec | eer, /dev/input/mice |
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| 23:07.04 | abrotman | stoned: hugs .. not drugs |
| 23:07.11 | linux3 | stew, volume controls are set correctly |
| 23:07.12 | stoned | haha |
| 23:07.14 | abrotman | Fennec: you ahve to load mousedev |
| 23:07.19 | Fennec | I /did/ :) |
| 23:07.21 | stoned | modprobe mousedev |
| 23:07.39 | stoned | or put it it in /etc/modules |
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| 23:07.43 | stew | linux3: how are you testing it? |
| 23:07.55 | Fennec | just there, I modprobed it again just in case :P |
| 23:07.57 | Fennec | it doesn't work |
| 23:08.15 | linux3 | stew, well i have music playing in the background |
| 23:08.16 | stoned | Fennec, what protocol did you choose? |
| 23:08.20 | Fennec | exps2 |
| 23:08.20 | linux3 | when that works then the sound is all set |
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| 23:08.35 | stoned | Fennec, what sort of mouse is it? |
| 23:08.48 | Fennec | stoned: it's a fake nonexistant Virtual PC 2004 emulated mouse |
| 23:08.58 | Fennec | that hooks up to an IBM ThinkPad's integrated TrackPoint |
| 23:08.59 | abrotman | sng: i suck |
| 23:09.17 | sng | abrotman: Yeah, but so do I. |
| 23:09.22 | stoned | fuck MS support in #debian |
| 23:09.27 | stoned | sorry |
| 23:09.33 | abrotman | sng: but she likes it from you |
| 23:09.40 | sng | abrotman: I wish. |
| 23:09.53 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:10.03 | stoned | depends on what you suck, and how you suck |
| 23:10.07 | stoned | !d-i Fennec |
| 23:10.07 | dpkg | Fennec, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:10.12 | stoned | fuck VPC |
| 23:10.15 | dutche- | Does anybody has already installed Debian with 2 Hd's in Raid via Software and this Raid running under LVM?? I do this but LILO doesnt installs...it says me that I dont have an Active partition... |
| 23:10.20 | abrotman | !tell Fennec about colinux |
| 23:10.29 | stoned | colinux is nice, but... |
| 23:10.34 | abrotman | dutche-: do you enjoy pain? |
| 23:10.37 | klikklak | weird, setting gtk theme to cleanice-dark caused firefox to start crashing |
| 23:10.46 | klikklak | perhaps I should report this |
| 23:10.49 | dutche- | abrotman, lol , why ? |
| 23:10.58 | abrotman | sw raid .. on lvm .. using lilo |
| 23:11.06 | Fennec | abrotman: I've heard of it |
| 23:11.07 | abrotman | sng: can you give me a bigger toe? |
| 23:11.09 | stoned | oh yes, masochist |
| 23:11.14 | stoned | definitely |
| 23:11.36 | stoned | I learned the hardway myself actually |
| 23:11.39 | Fennec | also Cygwin |
| 23:11.43 | dutche- | abrotman, I see no problem :) do you see? have? |
| 23:11.50 | stoned | I had two nbd + 4 other drives in an lvm |
| 23:11.58 | stoned | network connection broke when it wasn't supposed to |
| 23:11.59 | abrotman | dutche-: i'm just poking .. |
| 23:12.02 | stoned | lilo started farting |
| 23:12.03 | dutche- | :) |
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| 23:12.30 | sng | abrotman: You have to do the Jambi thing. |
| 23:12.36 | abrotman | jumanji? |
| 23:12.57 | stoned | abrotman, did you see that jumanji ripoff in space? |
| 23:13.12 | stoned | abrotman, Zathura or something |
| 23:13.14 | abrotman | stoned: no more drugs for you .. mmkay? |
| 23:13.20 | oz_ | can anyone help me activat a wireless card ? it's an ipw2200 module, but I can't load it |
| 23:13.23 | stoned | abrotman, why? |
| 23:13.29 | sng | abrotman: You don't remember Pee Wee's playhouse? |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | stoned: you can't get to space .. you're not an astronaut |
| 23:13.40 | dutche- | I donno why LILO is saying that I have no Active partitions....even I creating an 200 mb Raid Device just for boot, withou LVM...LILO dont install |
| 23:13.46 | oz_ | I used a live cd which detected it perfect, but after HD install it won't load |
| 23:13.48 | abrotman | sng: oh jeez .. |
| 23:13.52 | stoned | abrotman, dude, WHAT?! |
| 23:13.58 | stoned | abrotman, you drunk man? |
| 23:14.07 | sng | abrotman: ... |
| 23:14.08 | Fennec | stoned: it's called a Tribute |
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| 23:14.14 | abrotman | sng: it's been a long time |
| 23:14.18 | stoned | abrotman, oh I see, playing word games with me |
| 23:14.21 | stoned | goddamn you |
| 23:14.22 | stoned | :/ |
| 23:14.23 | sng | abrotman: Hehehe. |
| 23:14.35 | abrotman | sng: can't we watch voltron instead? |
| 23:14.40 | stoned | the old one |
| 23:14.44 | sng | Voltron!!! |
| 23:14.49 | stoned | I like the 5 lion voltron |
| 23:14.52 | asg | abrotman: Greycat, ho! |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | dude .. both voltrons kicked ass |
| 23:15.00 | stoned | the new voltron series with the min cars was sucky |
| 23:15.04 | abrotman | asg: pantera? |
| 23:15.08 | stoned | I beg to differ |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | pantero? |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | wtf was his name |
| 23:15.16 | stew | panthro |
| 23:15.18 | streuner | wth are voltrons? |
| 23:15.19 | abrotman | vehicle voltron also kicked ass |
| 23:15.20 | stoned | haha |
| 23:15.21 | stoned | pantera |
| 23:15.26 | abrotman | streuner: are you serious? |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | oh wait .. he's old AND german |
| 23:15.37 | stoned | for someone who swears by folk and neil young, you know pantera |
| 23:15.39 | stoned | thats fucked up |
| 23:15.45 | stoned | :) |
| 23:15.51 | streuner | abrotman: who said, germans don't have humor? |
| 23:16.04 | stoned | streuner, yes, but do germans have Voltron? |
| 23:16.06 | stoned | :D |
| 23:16.07 | abrotman | stoned: i used to skate when i was a kid .. i know fugazi and danzig and dead milkmen and exploited and dead kennedys .. lots of stuff |
| 23:16.07 | streuner | and you asking me, iam serious or not? :-) |
| 23:16.37 | stoned | well pantera is by no means punk, well neither is danzig |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | i know |
| 23:16.45 | stoned | I never understood why skaters have this thing for punk |
| 23:16.54 | streuner | hm, dict.leo.org have nothing at all |
| 23:17.02 | asg | stoned: because anything against the man is a good thing. |
| 23:17.05 | stoned | I have ever been the only death metaller skater I know |
| 23:17.11 | abrotman | streuner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltron |
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| 23:17.16 | stoned | asg, well everything counter culture is good |
| 23:17.22 | stoned | including the philosophy of Death Metl |
| 23:17.39 | Phrozen_One | is there a file, or something that tells you which version of debian you are running? like when you log into a remote box, so you can tell ? |
| 23:17.44 | asg | stoned: does moshing to Classic music count as counter? |
| 23:17.50 | asg | Phrozen_One: /etc/debian_version |
| 23:17.51 | stoned | Phrozen_One, /etc/debian_version |
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| 23:17.54 | stoned | jinx |
| 23:17.59 | streuner | oh, Manga :-) |
| 23:18.06 | abrotman | please don't give asg another beer :)_ |
| 23:18.10 | abrotman | streuner: no .. not manga |
| 23:18.11 | stoned | asg, its the underlying principal |
| 23:18.16 | asg | Manga sounds like a bad Bond villan |
| 23:18.20 | asg | stoned: *nod* |
| 23:18.25 | stoned | In a time when a neurotic obsession with moral conflict against communism gripped the West, this music preached total nihilism, or lack of preconceptions of belief, and a knowledge that death is more real than human political mechanations |
| 23:18.26 | asg | *villain |
| 23:18.34 | Phrozen_One | asg, stoned, thanks |
| 23:18.39 | asg | Phrozen_One: you're welcome |
| 23:18.42 | stoned | Its structuralism matches its grim but self-empowering worldview. |
| 23:19.14 | stoned | death metal exists underground by deliberately disrupting consonant aesthetic and programming the human mind at the lowest levels with natural, intuitive rhythms. |
| 23:19.16 | Phrozen_One | asg, all that is listed is "testing / unstable" is that all the information I can get? |
| 23:19.32 | stoned | its good, but I can't get into punk |
| 23:19.34 | asg | Phrozen_One: look at the version of libc6 |
| 23:19.41 | stoned | there is almost no musicianship involved in it |
| 23:19.43 | stoned | :/ |
| 23:19.53 | stoned | I'm being highly OT huh |
| 23:19.55 | asg | Phrozen_One: compare that with what is in testing (etch) and unstable (hint: /msg dpkg info libc6 etch) |
| 23:20.30 | asg | Phrozen_One: also, /etc/apt/sources.list should tell you. |
| 23:21.11 | Phrozen_One | ah, apparently running etch |
| 23:21.17 | Phrozen_One | thanks for the help asg |
| 23:21.44 | asg | Phrozen_One: :) |
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| 23:24.30 | Phrozen_One | would Debian make a good network security gateway (anti-virus, content filtering, firewall) ? |
| 23:25.03 | asg | Phrozen_One: I use it in all of those contexts. |
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| 23:25.24 | Phrozen_One | any noticeable performance drawbacks network wise? |
| 23:25.30 | rhys | whats bleeding edge for debian? |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | nothing you want to see :) |
| 23:25.42 | stoned | experimental |
| 23:26.13 | rhys | Phrozen_One, depending on what your looking for, have you ever looked at IPcop? |
| 23:26.25 | Hotwire | why does source /etc/profile only update for the shell i run it in, so if i start a new shell the updates wont have taken effect, when if i do it as root |
| 23:26.30 | asg | Phrozen_One: when those things start to show up, you need to start buying something comercial and ASIC based. Otherwise, it's perfectly suitable. I run a proxy that handles 1.5 million requests a day on 3 year old hardware. |
| 23:26.31 | magyar | i have a problem with a "dansguardian" package on etch. If it is ran with antivirus, the software will crash the system within three days. I submitted a bug but there is no responce since |
| 23:26.35 | magyar | Wednesday |
| 23:26.41 | rhys | i think it may have a ClamAV addon, but AV on the whole is a bunch of bs. |
| 23:26.44 | Phrozen_One | actually not enough to say I have, but I seen an article talking about it in use for a security gateway lol |
| 23:26.55 | stoned | !tell rhys -about experimental |
| 23:27.23 | abrotman | i think he means volatile |
| 23:27.31 | asg | Phrozen_One: for security devices, the best option is the one you are most familiar with, be it Debian or OpenBSD or something else. |
| 23:27.46 | Phrozen_One | I have been using Debian the most, and I enjoy it alot |
| 23:27.58 | rhys | Phrozen_One, i use IPcop on a 300mhz 32mb IBM pc, and i absolutly love it. i run an extra http server for my debian repo, TFTPd for PXE boot, |
| 23:28.02 | rhys | DHCP, squid proxy |
| 23:28.06 | sng | abrotman: Mekka Lekka Hi-Mekka Hiney Ho. |
| 23:28.11 | Fennec | mmm PXE! |
| 23:28.11 | asg | Phrozen_One: then that's a good start. Check the securing Debian howto at debian.org also |
| 23:28.16 | asg | mmm pixie |
| 23:28.23 | rhys | you can add dans guardian. i dont mean to be promoting IPcop in #debian |
| 23:28.24 | abrotman | epoxy? |
| 23:28.24 | stoned | OH MY FUCKING GOD! |
| 23:28.32 | rhys | but IPcop is -BEAUTIFUL- |
| 23:28.34 | abrotman | doggy style? |
| 23:28.41 | stoned | abrotman, you are the FIRST person I've ever met who knows about the Silver Hawks |
| 23:28.42 | Phrozen_One | will do, I have plenty of resource for this box, 2.4 p4, 512 ram, 40 gb hdd |
| 23:28.46 | asg | !fist abrotman |
| 23:28.52 | abrotman | stoned: i doubt it |
| 23:29.00 | stoned | abrotman, why? |
| 23:29.08 | abrotman | stoned: just noone wants to admit it .. they also have M.A.S.K. on DVD |
| 23:29.10 | rhys | Phrozen_One, absolute overkill. |
| 23:29.15 | stoned | abrotman, you're the first person _I_ know of that knows em |
| 23:29.23 | stoned | how's that doubtful |
| 23:29.24 | abrotman | stoned: i have younger brothers ... |
| 23:29.25 | Phrozen_One | rhysl:, thats how I roll |
| 23:29.33 | asg | Phrozen_One: if you are running sarge + squid, there is a memory leak (a simple restart of squid every month or so will solve that issue.) |
| 23:29.35 | stoned | abrotman, you're weird |
| 23:29.40 | stoned | :/ |
| 23:29.42 | rhys | Phrozen_One, waste? |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | stoned: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GNVLAO/qid=1153178793/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-1463612-4511169?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130 |
| 23:29.44 | sng | stoned: You don't get out much. Do you? |
| 23:29.44 | abrotman | stoned: duh |
| 23:29.52 | Phrozen_One | asg, I have etch |
| 23:30.00 | stoned | sng, hehe, yes I do, but mostly to look for drugs |
| 23:30.01 | stoned | :) |
| 23:30.06 | Phrozen_One | rhys, its an American tradition..... :) |
| 23:30.23 | asg | Phrozen_One: for a security device, I'd consider sarge unless you have a compelling reason not to. I can't speak to whether the squid in etch has the same leak though. |
| 23:30.29 | rhys | Phrozen_One, in my opinion, dumbass. |
| 23:30.40 | Phrozen_One | rhys, accepted |
| 23:30.50 | rhys | :) |
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| 23:31.02 | Phrozen_One | asg, do you feel etch isn't stable enough to be used as such? |
| 23:31.07 | abrotman | says the guy who was throwing out a HPPA box |
| 23:31.20 | asg | Phrozen_One: personally, no. |
| 23:31.49 | rhys | abrotman, it isnt waste when its not usable |
| 23:31.53 | asg | Phrozen_One: new functionality is constantly being added to etch. Testing said changes is too much work for a large shop. |
| 23:31.58 | abrotman | rhys: just not to you |
| 23:32.00 | Phrozen_One | does apt-get only get packages for your version of debian, or all versions of debian? |
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| 23:32.12 | rhys | its a nice piece of hardware..but its just not practicle. the power requirments alone make it horrible. |
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| 23:32.24 | stew | Phrozen_One: whatever is configured in sources.list / apt.conf |
| 23:32.32 | abrotman | !phillysmite stew |
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| 23:32.50 | Phrozen_One | stew, whats it do by default? |
| 23:32.51 | stoned | ps auxf|grep firefox shows NO results, yet I have a firefox window open. umm wtf? |
| 23:33.02 | rhys | abrotman, do you want it? you pay the shipping, i will gladly box it up for you along with every piece of HP stuff i ahve, plus a few scsi things i have. |
| 23:33.02 | rhys | :D |
| 23:33.13 | abrotman | rhys: if i were anywhere near OH ... i'd get it |
| 23:33.21 | abrotman | well .. i am .. but not that close :) |
| 23:33.24 | stoned | ahh it just died |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | rhys: if you wait a bit .. i might have a taker |
| 23:33.47 | rhys | abrotman, i dont understand that. why? |
| 23:33.50 | abrotman | rhys: or as i said before ..send an email to the HPPA list |
| 23:33.54 | abrotman | rhys: why what? |
| 23:33.54 | rhys | did you have an HPPA when you were 12 or something? |
| 23:34.01 | abrotman | rhys: i'm only 11 now! |
| 23:34.44 | stew | Phrozen_One: there isn't a default |
| 23:35.00 | abrotman | i'm not that kind of preteenager! |
| 23:35.11 | rhys | abrotman, why you care so much about a piece of completely proprietary hardware, that is obsolete in the etreme for almost all practicle uses (calculator maybe?).. |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | rhys: it's for fun ... |
| 23:35.52 | rhys | roffle sng. but with your big spiel against nvidia abrotman , i would think you would want something that you cant even use PS/2 devices on. HIL only. propietary HP |
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| 23:36.11 | rhys | you wouldnt* |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | are the drivers open ? |
| 23:36.20 | rhys | fook, i leave off my "s"'s too. |
| 23:36.41 | stew | rhys: i am currently using several machines without ps2 devices, that's no biggie |
| 23:36.46 | rhys | abrotman, not..exactly |
| 23:36.51 | zinx | sng: it is one component of a rofflecopter |
| 23:36.57 | sng | Ok..... |
| 23:36.59 | Phrozen_One | debian install remotely? |
| 23:37.06 | syntaxx | i download mplayer marillat but when i tried to play .avi and .wmv file it says error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device how to fix this? |
| 23:37.08 | abrotman | rhys: don't be vague |
| 23:37.14 | rhys | sng, a way of actually pronouncing rofl. stew, meaning on the propietary bit. |
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| 23:37.37 | sng | abrotman: I'm confused can you make these guys make sense? |
| 23:37.46 | stoned | abrotman, of course then you've also seen the Bionic Six |
| 23:37.47 | rhys | abrotman, im getting to it. anyway, it does a bit of HIL to PS/2 in the kernel if im not mistaken |
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| 23:37.56 | stoned | abrotman, and I take it the Saber Rider as well |
| 23:38.02 | stew | Phrozen_One: you need a verb, and maybe another noun if that question is going to make sense |
| 23:38.07 | rhys | the video can be used as a "framebuffer" device |
| 23:38.08 | stoned | lol |
| 23:38.11 | abrotman | sng: he's from OH .. they lust after mares ... |
| 23:38.28 | rhys | you fucker. kangaroos. get it right |
| 23:38.32 | stoned | thingfish, hey whats up |
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| 23:38.42 | thingfish | hey there stoned my man |
| 23:38.49 | gteppel | Is there a way to capture when a dhcp3 server assigns a new ip address the ip address and the mac address of the interface it was assigned too? |
| 23:38.51 | sng | abrotman: Yay? |
| 23:38.54 | rhys | i payed 1k for her month here, so i better get accorded the kanagroo banging repect i deserve |
| 23:38.55 | stoned | not _your_ man, but yes, a man :) |
| 23:38.56 | gteppel | I want to stick this into a database |
| 23:38.58 | stoned | hehehe |
| 23:39.08 | thingfish | stoned: oh come on I didn't mean it that way ;) |
| 23:39.10 | Phrozen_One | is it possible to install debian from a remote box, if you only have local access to a tower, and they are networked |
| 23:39.14 | stoned | just playing man |
| 23:39.26 | thingfish | hehe ok |
| 23:39.36 | stoned | so whats going on, just got home from work or something |
| 23:39.39 | thingfish | so what's new, you staying alive in all this heat? |
| 23:39.49 | stoned | oh yeah, 65F in my house |
| 23:39.51 | rhys | Phrozen_One,, course. |
| 23:39.51 | thingfish | yeah, just got home from work then had to go to the store. |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | HOTTER! |
| 23:39.55 | stoned | fuck going outside |
| 23:40.01 | thingfish | oh wow nice, stoned, you're chillin |
| 23:40.05 | stoned | definitely |
| 23:40.09 | Phrozen_One | rhys, what would that entail? |
| 23:40.20 | thingfish | hotter is right! it's 101 here with a heat index of 115. |
| 23:40.30 | stoned | goddamn! |
| 23:40.34 | Phrozen_One | thingfish, you have AC? |
| 23:40.34 | rhys | sorta anyway. Phrozen_One, you can boot it with the Deb network boot pxelinux, by PXE, and very early in the configuration you can enable SSH, and pick a repository |
| 23:40.41 | stoned | thingfish, literally in Hell huh |
| 23:40.47 | Ronin | thingfish: not any better here, the humidity is at 70+% |
| 23:40.49 | thingfish | Phrozen_One: oh yes, thank goodness. |
| 23:40.52 | rhys | jesus thingfish, where are you?! |
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| 23:40.57 | Phrozen_One | rhys, any links ? |
| 23:40.59 | stoned | Ronin, I love humidity |
| 23:41.03 | thingfish | Ronin: yeah the humidity makes it super miserable. |
| 23:41.12 | rhys | 50% humidity here, 88*F |
| 23:41.17 | stoned | Ronin, I grew up in Baton Rouge LA for a fair amount of time, my home is there actually |
| 23:41.17 | thingfish | rhys: kansas city missouri usa |
| 23:41.19 | Phrozen_One | thingfish, it gets 90 here and I cry and stay inside in front of my fan |
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| 23:41.25 | thingfish | wow rhys, where do you live? |
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| 23:41.28 | stoned | WHAT!! humidity kicks ass |
| 23:41.31 | Ronin | and we cant even use our ac in the house, 3 prong cord-2prong outlet |
| 23:41.39 | rhys | central ohio. im good. havnt had heat like that since i lived in AL |
| 23:41.40 | Ronin | stoned: humidity sucks, literally |
| 23:41.44 | stoned | well, that an the fact that it literally downpours in louisiana every other day |
| 23:41.47 | thingfish | humidity is good for my tending-to-be-dry skin. |
| 23:41.53 | abrotman | bah .. it was 98 here today |
| 23:41.56 | thingfish | oh no, Ronin! |
| 23:42.02 | stoned | plus year round evergreen trees, miles and miles of em, and swamplands |
| 23:42.05 | stoned | man I love louisiana |
| 23:42.10 | rhys | even northern alabama, noone does much in the middle of the day in the summer. build a standoff roof for your house, stay inside from about 10-4. |
| 23:42.31 | thingfish | wow neat |
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| 23:42.45 | rhys | stoned, doesnt your state have the lowest literacy rate in the country? :D |
| 23:42.53 | stoned | rhys, not my state |
| 23:42.58 | thingfish | I think that's west virginia. |
| 23:43.05 | thingfish | or is it mississippi... |
| 23:43.06 | stoned | rhys, but yes, my home country does have a literacy % of 24 |
| 23:43.25 | rhys | you figure ohio is technology and medicine in the cities, and farms and fuckall about 3 miles outside the cities. |
| 23:43.39 | thingfish | kansas city is exactly like that too |
| 23:43.51 | abrotman | ohio has technology? |
| 23:43.57 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:44.02 | stoned | thingfish, I know, I think I told you didn't I, I went to Jr. high at Jeff. Jr. high in columbia MO |
| 23:44.04 | abrotman | my favorite part of OH is that they call rivers something that is about two feet wide |
| 23:44.16 | rhys | abrotman, huge. OSU in columbus, Case western reserve in cleveland.. |
| 23:44.22 | thingfish | stoned: oh yeah, right, I remember now. |
| 23:44.24 | rhys | Batell. Honda. |
| 23:44.24 | abrotman | OSU is technology? |
| 23:44.24 | trevor | We had a small tornado tonight which knocked out the power. The mail server wont boot its stuck at "LI" |
| 23:44.26 | trevor | how can i fix this? |
| 23:44.32 | trevor | sorta fast? :/ |
| 23:44.38 | asg | trevor: /msg dpkg li |
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| 23:44.49 | stoned | thingfish, MO can be just as shitty as any other goddamn midwestern bible belt state |
| 23:44.54 | sng | Silly Linuxuser. OSU isn't in Columbus. |
| 23:45.00 | stoned | unless of course you have drug |
| 23:45.04 | stoned | drugs* |
| 23:45.04 | sng | Everybody knows OSU is in Corvallis. |
| 23:45.04 | rhys | stoned, amen. no bible belt here!! |
| 23:45.05 | rhys | :D |
| 23:45.12 | abrotman | sng: eh .. Ohio SU is |
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| 23:45.21 | rhys | not oklahoma state, ohio state. |
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| 23:45.28 | sng | abrotman: Bah. There is only one true OSU. :P |
| 23:45.29 | stoned | I go to OSU |
| 23:45.30 | stoned | lol |
| 23:45.35 | trevor | thank you |
| 23:45.35 | abrotman | okie! |
| 23:45.37 | rhys | wait. wchi OSU?? |
| 23:45.38 | thingfish | stoned: yes, it sure can be. |
| 23:45.41 | stoned | okc |
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| 23:45.59 | thingfish | stoned: I'm just glad I live close to a big city and not way out in rednecksville. |
| 23:46.00 | stoned | but at heart I'm still LSU football ALL the way |
| 23:46.10 | rhys | delaware county is in the top 5 fastest growing counties in the country. right outide columbus. |
| 23:46.11 | stoned | fuck oklahoma |
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| 23:46.42 | thingfish | yeah oklahoma was trash they tried to settle all the whipped native american tribes onto. |
| 23:46.47 | rhys | ok. where the hell is everyone at ? kansas city for thingfish , north of columbus ohio for me, Louisiana for stoned? |
| 23:47.05 | asg | rhys: Charlotte, NC |
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| 23:47.13 | stoned | im from ALL over the world |
| 23:47.14 | abrotman | rhys: stoned is in oklahoma |
| 23:47.19 | stoned | asg, I was at the shaw airbase in NC |
| 23:47.25 | thingfish | ooo asg, how's the weather there? you guys sweltering? |
| 23:47.27 | stoned | during my time in the air force |
| 23:47.30 | asg | stoned: stationed or visiting? |
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| 23:47.37 | rhys | sng, Carnige mellon univerity is in pittsburg..ive been looking to go there. |
| 23:47.38 | stoned | before that I was in biloxi, Miss |
| 23:47.42 | heh_v_water | Montana here |
| 23:47.49 | asg | thingfish: a little hot and humid; too much for a limey like me. |
| 23:47.51 | sng | rhys: I could give a shit. |
| 23:47.51 | thingfish | wow stoned, deep south, kind of cool. |
| 23:48.06 | stoned | I'm originally from pakistan |
| 23:48.10 | abrotman | heh_v_water: they have the internet in montana? |
| 23:48.11 | rhys | roffle. but people dont believe me that ohio is big technology wise. |
| 23:48.18 | stoned | the deep south, dig a hole where you're at, you might come up in my house in pakistna |
| 23:48.18 | stoned | lol |
| 23:48.20 | thingfish | asg: oh wow, I sympathize. |
| 23:48.24 | rhys | damn stoned. dont you have a shitty pick of places. |
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| 23:48.30 | heh_v_water | abrotman, yes we use wagon trains as our backhaul :P |
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| 23:48.34 | stoned | rhys, thanks |
| 23:48.47 | abrotman | heh_v_water: oh wait .. it's that pigeon tcp! |
| 23:48.48 | asg | thingfish: s'okay, I have good AC and plenty of beer. |
| 23:48.55 | thingfish | asg: heh me too! |
| 23:48.58 | stoned | rhys, at the end of the day, you always come back to your home/bed/couch. It doesn't fucking matter where you live. |
| 23:49.15 | rhys | stoned, quite true |
| 23:49.21 | stoned | good, now fuck off |
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| 23:49.26 | asg | thingfish: can't beat it on a hot day, that's for sure |
| 23:49.31 | thingfish | true. as long as you have your cumfy pillow, you're at home. |
| 23:49.39 | thingfish | oops I meant comfy |
| 23:49.45 | rhys | my queen sized bed and control console of computers. |
| 23:49.45 | abrotman | rhys: do you get to do go to BW3 ? |
| 23:49.46 | stoned | thingfish, or you're woman, er.. man in some people's case |
| 23:49.47 | stoned | :D |
| 23:49.48 | heh_v_water | abrotman, no doubt, the state IS way behind in everything, I sometimes wonder if I am the only Linux user in Montana |
| 23:49.58 | litage | why is /var/lib/mysql/mysql/ 0755 by default?: drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 2005-11-21 10:44 /var/lib/mysql/mysql |
| 23:50.00 | asg | abrotman: buffalo wild wings? |
| 23:50.01 | thingfish | stoned: oh well definitely |
| 23:50.03 | abrotman | heh_v_water: i'm sure there's someone using RH4.2 :) |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | asg: yeah |
| 23:50.09 | rhys | abrotman, right next to hong kong buffet in the city north of me. :D 20minute drive. |
| 23:50.11 | stoned | not you're your |
| 23:50.13 | asg | abrotman: we have a few here |
| 23:50.14 | thingfish | wow montana! |
| 23:50.16 | abrotman | you people suck! |
| 23:50.18 | stoned | goddamn brain farts |
| 23:50.24 | abrotman | i want ONE DAMN WING PLACE !!!! |
| 23:50.32 | stoned | I make my own wings |
| 23:50.39 | rhys | hahah |
| 23:50.40 | stoned | if its one thing you learn in LA is how to cook |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | lay off the drugs! |
| 23:50.48 | stoned | cook outs man |
| 23:50.51 | thingfish | funny, I was thinking about cooking chicken wings tonight |
| 23:50.51 | stoned | we have a blast down there |
| 23:51.00 | stoned | crawfish boils, bbqs its the shit |
| 23:51.13 | rhys | the little town ive lived in most of my life is booming. we got a subway like 6 months ago, our only fast food place. were booming. :D |
| 23:51.13 | Ronin | damn it stoned now im hungry again |
| 23:51.16 | heh_v_water | where I live it's 1 mile high, we have the largest superfund cleanup site in the US and we don't worry about tornados or hurricanes just freezing to death in the winter (-50f) |
| 23:51.16 | thingfish | IMHO crawfish are overrated. |
| 23:51.18 | stoned | just deep fry some wings, make your own sauce and dip dip dip |
| 23:51.35 | abrotman | thingfish: i prefer catfish! |
| 23:51.38 | stoned | thingfish, the only kinda mudbugs I like to eat are at crawfish boils, I used to hate them all my life |
| 23:51.40 | stoned | nasty |
| 23:51.42 | abrotman | actually .. lobster really |
| 23:51.47 | stoned | but once I had the properly cooked kind |
| 23:51.51 | thingfish | abrotman: mmm yes that sounds good, doesn't it. |
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| 23:51.55 | rhys | jesus heh_v_water. that has to play hell with the water lines..electricity. about everything |
| 23:51.55 | stoned | man it was AWESOME |
| 23:52.17 | thingfish | well I mean I like crawfish, it's just I'd rather have shrimp or almost any other kind of seafood. |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | heh_v_water: i went to Uni at a Superfund site!!! |
| 23:52.30 | rhys | superfund? |
| 23:52.30 | stoned | thingfish, I can't stand seafood :) |
| 23:52.35 | abrotman | rhys: wikipedia |
| 23:52.43 | rhys | seafood is awesome. abrotman, aye. |
| 23:52.46 | stoned | thingfish, crawfish are swapfood |
| 23:52.46 | rhys | PRAWNS!! |
| 23:52.47 | stoned | hahaha |
| 23:52.47 | heh_v_water | pitwatch.org << i am 3 miles form that |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfund |
| 23:52.57 | thingfish | stoned: I love it, can't eat enough of it but it's so expensive I rarely get it. |
| 23:53.01 | stoned | s/swap/swamp |
| 23:53.21 | thingfish | oh well I don't care about eating something out of a swamp. I mean turtle comes out of a swamp. |
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| 23:53.43 | abrotman | gator is yummy :) |
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| 23:54.04 | thingfish | abrotman: is it really? You've had it? I've heard it can be pretty good. |
| 23:54.10 | stoned | its delicous man |
| 23:54.11 | rhys | rattlesnake isnt too bad. funny smelling grease though. |
| 23:54.12 | asg | thingfish: it tastes just like Chicken |
| 23:54.15 | abrotman | thingfish: when i was in NOLA .. it's awesome |
| 23:54.17 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:54.19 | stoned | gator, frog legs, squirrels |
| 23:54.22 | stoned | good shit man |
| 23:54.29 | thingfish | oh hey I'd eat it and rattlesnake in a heartbeat. |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | stoned: you eat possum too don't you ? |
| 23:54.34 | stoned | nope |
| 23:54.42 | abrotman | i've had deer tongue :) |
| 23:54.43 | thingfish | oh yes I grew up eating squirrel and rabbit. |
| 23:54.52 | abrotman | fried in a pan |
| 23:54.53 | thingfish | oh yum I love venison. |
| 23:54.56 | rhys | i thought about getting a groundhog. :) big rabbit basicly, soybean roots for deit. get a young one.. |
| 23:54.56 | thingfish | mmm |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | no .. the tongue |
| 23:55.08 | stoned | abrotman, ever had cow brains and cow tongue together |
| 23:55.14 | abrotman | it's a little creepy when it's cooking |
| 23:55.15 | stoned | abrotman, cow brains are delicoius |
| 23:55.22 | thingfish | abrotman: I thought all meats from a deer were called venison. |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | stoned: do i look like i'm from indiana ? |
| 23:55.29 | stoned | abrotman, they put it in this delicacy dish in pakistan, called Nihari |
| 23:55.31 | thingfish | oh bullshit, cow brains suck ass |
| 23:55.34 | abrotman | thingfish: i'm not sure how the tongue qualifies |
| 23:55.40 | stoned | Nihari is made of spicy gravy and beef |
| 23:55.52 | stoned | they put either bone marrow in it, or cow brains |
| 23:55.52 | rhys | pork liver at the butchers 1km down the road from us, like 1.70$ per pound. liver. :D |
| 23:55.55 | stoned | its fucking AWESOME! |
| 23:55.57 | thingfish | oh well anyway, I know what you mean abrotman. I wish I got to eat more wild meats like that. |
| 23:56.06 | thingfish | oh I do love liver. |
| 23:56.06 | abrotman | thingfish: it wasn't my idea :) |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | thingfish: LIVER! |
| 23:56.16 | thingfish | sliced thin, barely cooked... |
| 23:56.17 | stoned | ugh |
| 23:56.19 | stoned | fuck liver |
| 23:56.24 | stoned | and lungs |
| 23:56.25 | abrotman | the pig slaughter was a bit weird |
| 23:56.27 | stoned | and goatnuts |
| 23:56.28 | thingfish | tsk whatever |
| 23:56.32 | stoned | I never liked goat nuts too much |
| 23:56.32 | rhys | hah. had a friend in scotland, absolutly loved haggis. the sound of it made me gag. :\ |
| 23:56.35 | thingfish | it's good. so are kidneys. |
| 23:56.36 | trevor | damn storms killin lilo |
| 23:56.38 | stoned | everyone in my family loves that delicacy |
| 23:56.40 | trevor | goodf time to get grub |
| 23:56.44 | abrotman | thingfish: mm .. kidney :) |
| 23:56.49 | thingfish | stoned: what, brains? |
| 23:56.50 | asg | rhys: the taste of it makes everyone else gag too |
| 23:56.54 | rhys | I HATE SHEEP. when you ahve to sheer them, herd them. yay islam.. they butcher fucking sheep religiously. |
| 23:56.59 | stoned | thingfish, that and lungs and liver and goat nuts |
| 23:57.07 | stoned | or mountain oysters but not of bull |
| 23:57.10 | thingfish | abrotman: they're delicious, aren't they? |
| 23:57.14 | abrotman | it's good |
| 23:57.23 | thingfish | hehe rhys |
| 23:57.30 | rhys | trevor, had a bit of trouble with that. why dont you just boot with a another disk, rerun lilo? |
| 23:57.41 | trevor | rhys we're going to. |
| 23:57.41 | rhys | at least untill you can install grub. which is ifinititly better |
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| 23:58.38 | rhys | trevor, also this is an idea for me, but get a seperate DC convertor, bypass the AC-DC convertor in the PSU, and run DC across a pair of gellcells into the PSU |
| 23:58.58 | rhys | homebrew UPS. mainly for my Ham radio stuff, but it would be nice for most of my systems |
| 23:59.01 | trevor | we just need a new damn server! |
| 23:59.17 | trevor | but yea rhys im just relaying info around, the actual admin is on the phone with no internet :/ |
| 23:59.33 | rhys | ouch. |
