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| 00:01.09 | struct | looks like oftc has put a dent here |
| 00:01.39 | g333k | Hi, what do I have to write in /etc/network/interfaces file to set up my wireless connection with WEP? |
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| 00:01.57 | stew | g333k: man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
| 00:01.59 | kreg_work | unix_infidel, i see |
| 00:02.09 | bulio| | how do I install mysql? |
| 00:02.30 | unix_infidel | bulio|: you should find out which version your dependent software requires first. |
| 00:02.36 | bulio| | mysql-server? |
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| 00:02.52 | unix_infidel | bulio|: correct, but that's a meta package for mysql-server-N.n |
| 00:02.54 | bulio| | I'm installing a CMS |
| 00:02.59 | bulio| | 4.1 |
| 00:03.14 | unix_infidel | apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 00:03.48 | bulio| | also, how do I setup different sections? |
| 00:03.55 | bulio| | such as, If I wanna host two seperate websites |
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| 00:04.04 | bulio| | 2 different accounts? |
| 00:04.22 | unix_infidel | bulio|: ask in #mysql |
| 00:04.31 | unix_infidel | they can help you with creating users and managing them for access. |
| 00:04.34 | abrotman | or ask the people who made your CMS |
| 00:04.39 | unix_infidel | ^^^^^^ |
| 00:04.40 | unix_infidel | better yet :) |
| 00:04.43 | bulio| | and to start apache? |
| 00:05.05 | bulio| | /etc/rc.d/httpd start? |
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| 00:05.21 | plugwash | anyone know where i can find more info regarding http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2006/msg00196.html |
| 00:05.30 | plugwash | its not listed on the security.debian.org site and searching the cve project site finds a candidate issue in a totally different peice of software |
| 00:05.41 | simonrvn | there is not /etc/rc.d |
| 00:05.44 | simonrvn | no* |
| 00:05.52 | bulio| | what would I do? |
| 00:05.57 | simonrvn | init.d |
| 00:05.57 | unix_infidel | bulio|: we use sysv system. |
| 00:05.59 | bulio| | I chose the server net install |
| 00:06.00 | unix_infidel | its /etc/init.d/ |
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| 00:07.06 | simonrvn | night... very relative |
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| 00:07.12 | abrotman | plugwash: that happens sometimes |
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| 00:08.32 | shwag | how do I check the link state of a network adapter? |
| 00:08.51 | litage | what does the "<<" mean in this apt-cache output?: Replaces: mysql-client (<< 5.0.22-3) |
| 00:09.23 | litage | shwag: ``ifconfig ethX'' and replace "X" with a number (usually 0 (zero)) |
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| 00:10.06 | simonrvn | version lower than that one |
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| 00:11.28 | srdjannnnn | i have problem with bind 9 : /etc/bind/named.conf:63: when using 'view' statements, all zones must be in views |
| 00:11.28 | sartan | litage: version. |
| 00:11.48 | srdjannnnn | when i use VIEW where to put after root hint or?? |
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| 00:13.25 | simonrvn | srdjannnnn: means exactly what it says. stick all your zones in some view statement |
| 00:13.37 | simonrvn | apt-get install bind9-doc |
| 00:14.15 | srdjannnnn | i must put all zone { } in my view code? |
| 00:14.19 | srdjannnnn | for example |
| 00:14.19 | srdjannnnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.19 | srdjannnnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.19 | srdjannnnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.19 | srdjannnnn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:14.27 | srdjannnnn | right? |
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| 00:14.43 | Cooner750 | I fixed my fan |
| 00:14.46 | simonrvn | please don't paste here |
| 00:14.47 | Jemt | Is there a better driver than 'vesa' available for nvidia cards? I don't need rendering - I do need more than 60Hz |
| 00:15.09 | Jemt | 1024 x 768 @ 75 Hz is acceptable |
| 00:15.13 | simonrvn | srdjannnnn: yes, this is what i said |
| 00:15.19 | Cooner750 | It was running at 161 degrees F with a CPU fan with one blade missing. I installed a Socket 7/370 fan from Radioshack and it's now at 102 degrees |
| 00:15.30 | simonrvn | holy.. |
| 00:15.32 | abrotman | Cooner750: did you get X installed though ? |
| 00:15.43 | simonrvn | Jemt: nvidia |
| 00:15.46 | Cooner750 | It's installed, not working however |
| 00:15.49 | abrotman | why not?! |
| 00:16.15 | Jemt | simonrvn: It is not installed - it comes with 'nvidia-glx' which is not available to me. |
| 00:16.32 | Cooner750 | I had to go get a fan and install it. I've only installed xfce4, gdm, and x-window-system-core. Is there anything else I may need? I have to go look at the logs |
| 00:16.56 | disorder | Jemt: nv |
| 00:17.04 | Jemt | disorder: Not available either |
| 00:17.05 | Cooner750 | brb, rebooting into Debian again |
| 00:17.05 | jockl | actually the amd athlon xp can take about 205 degree F without a problem ;) |
| 00:17.25 | disorder | Jemt: then install it |
| 00:17.36 | simonrvn | Jemt: then use nv or vesa |
| 00:17.53 | simonrvn | nv *should* be available |
| 00:18.02 | shining | xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 00:18.03 | Jemt | What? 'nv' was available .. Weird! It wasn't available in 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
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| 00:18.14 | Jemt | I modified xorg.conf manually |
| 00:18.17 | shining | nv should indeed give you a decent video mode |
| 00:18.25 | Jemt | It did - thanks alot :D |
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| 00:18.59 | simonrvn | nv will at least give your 2d (IIRC) |
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| 00:19.02 | simonrvn | you* |
| 00:19.46 | shining | well, if it didn't, it wouldn't be a video driver, would it? |
| 00:20.04 | simonrvn | i meant accel |
| 00:20.09 | simonrvn | h/w accel |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | crappy 1d video cards |
| 00:20.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:20.24 | shining | :d |
| 00:20.36 | shining | simonrvn: hmm I don't know |
| 00:20.39 | Jemt | It gave me 85 Hz - that's all I need :) |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | "hey bob ... check out this line!! it has no width!!!!!!" |
| 00:20.51 | srdjannnnn | huh i copied all zones in view statments and dns doesnt working :) |
| 00:21.00 | srdjannnnn | do i have to copy only root hint zone? |
| 00:21.05 | srdjannnnn | or local etc... |
| 00:21.06 | simonrvn | this is why i suggested you install bind9-doc |
| 00:21.09 | struct | abrotman: got one foot in freenode and the other in oftc I see |
| 00:21.18 | abrotman | struct: barely |
| 00:21.37 | struct | abrotman: how do you like the new network? |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | struct: don't use it much |
| 00:24.09 | shining | I actually don't see a difference, except that oftc doesnt require 1 min to connect. I wonder if it's really good to have debian split across 2 networks |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | no .. it requires two minutes |
| 00:24.30 | shining | yes, sorry |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | shining: more than two #debians |
| 00:24.42 | asg | shining: it isn't split across two. This is not the official irc channel. |
| 00:24.48 | abrotman | there's one on efnet i'm told .. as well as .. that other network .. can't remember |
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| 00:24.55 | asg | abrotman: dalnet |
| 00:24.56 | shining | asg: that's why it's bigger than the official one? |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | shining: keep an eye in here .. probably 85% in here are lurkers |
| 00:25.30 | asg | shining: it's bigger because people who have always been coming here will likely to keep coming here. The number is down by about 200 or so here. |
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| 00:26.06 | asg | s/to// |
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| 00:26.16 | simonrvn | i keep coming here out of habit =). |
| 00:26.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 00:26.49 | simonrvn | ...yes i like you people too, of course |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: you love us! |
| 00:27.05 | simonrvn | :D |
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| 00:27.58 | struct | abrotman: efnet yes |
| 00:28.01 | simonrvn | i gotta go do some research |
| 00:28.03 | struct | abrotman: efnet sucks eggs though |
| 00:28.08 | abrotman | still exists |
| 00:28.14 | asg | simonrvn: have fun |
| 00:28.58 | struct | asg: did I tell you I saw some chocolate covered hob nobs a while ago? |
| 00:29.10 | abrotman | asg: it's research ... |
| 00:29.30 | asg | struct: man, I bet those rock. I'm currently on penguin biscuits |
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| 00:29.49 | struct | asg: penguin buscuits? |
| 00:29.58 | asg | abrotman: researching the clitoris is fun |
| 00:30.00 | struct | asg: fried penguin flippers? |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | YARR, GENIUS! |
| 00:30.13 | asg | struct: nah, Englishy chocolate cookies |
| 00:30.20 | struct | asg: made by who? |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | asg: did mrs. bring those back ? |
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| 00:30.35 | Cooner750 | Ok I have the error lines |
| 00:30.40 | Cooner750 | Let me link them |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | Cooner750: ok .. you know what .. |
| 00:30.45 | asg | struct: McVitties (http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/food/penguin-biscuits/) |
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| 00:30.59 | asg | abrotman: no, those were delivered by an uncle |
| 00:31.00 | Cooner750 | the lines were typed by hand so there may be spelling errors http://pastebin.ca/91879 |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | Cooner750: go back to debian .. `apt-get install irssi-text` .. then as a normal user ... irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 00:31.29 | Cooner750 | Those are the only EE lines in the entire file it shows |
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| 00:31.43 | struct | asg: have not ever seen these down here |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | Cooner750: modprobe mousedev && echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules ... and yes the >> is VERY important |
| 00:31.45 | Cooner750 | It's a mouse issue... But it's connected to the green PS/2 mouse port |
| 00:31.51 | struct | asg: I will try to find them so I can try them |
| 00:31.53 | asg | struct: is this jharrison? |
| 00:32.00 | struct | asg: yes |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | struct: would you just change your nick back? :) |
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| 00:32.11 | Cooner750 | Is that all one command, this: modprobe mousedev && echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules |
| 00:32.15 | bulio| | in debian, where do I put my web pages? |
| 00:32.15 | bulio| | <bulio|> whats the apache2 folder? |
| 00:32.15 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 00:32.25 | Cooner750 | HereL /var/www |
| 00:32.26 | asg | struct: ah, okay. I'd expect them to be available. |
| 00:32.28 | jharrison | there happy? |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:32.56 | Cooner750 | Is that all one command? |
| 00:33.02 | abrotman | Cooner750: yes |
| 00:33.06 | asg | Cooner750: yes |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | Cooner750: will you please please install irssi in debian .. it will make this way way easier |
| 00:33.21 | Cooner750 | i'll install irssi too |
| 00:33.31 | Cooner750 | I tried just apt-get install irssi and it was not found, so.. |
| 00:33.32 | jharrison | Cooner750: all you need is irssi |
| 00:33.38 | jharrison | Cooner750: irssi-text |
| 00:33.39 | abrotman | Cooner750: irssi-text is the package name |
| 00:33.45 | jharrison | abrotman: hah I beat you |
| 00:33.52 | jharrison | abrotman: faster on the draw partner |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | because i'm not as lazy as the bahamian |
| 00:34.13 | asg | abrotman: House reruns on 11 |
| 00:34.21 | abrotman | asg: every night :) |
| 00:34.22 | jharrison | lazy? |
| 00:34.27 | abrotman | jharrison: i typed more :) |
| 00:34.31 | asg | abrotman: every night? I didn't see them last night |
| 00:34.47 | jharrison | hehe |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | asg: maybe it was sunday .. it was the one about the termites in the lungs or whatever .. the dead cat one |
| 00:34.56 | bulio| | bulio@coyote:~$ /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 00:34.57 | bulio| | Starting web server: Apache2(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 00:34.57 | bulio| | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 00:34.57 | bulio| | Unable to open logs |
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| 00:35.06 | bulio| | oops |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | !tell bulio| about grounding |
| 00:35.11 | Cooner750 | let me write down the command |
| 00:35.13 | simonrvn | uh... |
| 00:35.15 | bulio| | but how do I set proper permissions so I can run it |
| 00:35.18 | abrotman | Cooner750: modprobe mousedev && echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules ... and yes the >> is VERY important |
| 00:35.19 | Cooner750 | Do I run that after X fails to start? |
| 00:35.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:35.29 | asg | abrotman: ah, okay |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | bulio|: hint .. be root |
| 00:35.31 | simonrvn | bulio|: you need to use sudo or be root... |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | simonrvn: must be something about those canadians :) |
| 00:36.07 | jharrison | what canadians |
| 00:36.12 | jharrison | whats wrong with canadians |
| 00:36.30 | jharrison | besides the lack of an oxygen rich environment I mean |
| 00:36.40 | simonrvn | nothing, except they should de-colonise their minds ;) |
| 00:37.01 | jharrison | heh |
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| 00:39.43 | Cooner750 | Hello, talking from Debian under irssi |
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| 00:40.03 | Cooner750 | Wow this reminds me of my MMG XT Turbo I have from 1988 |
| 00:40.20 | Cooner750 | How do I exit Irssi? |
| 00:40.22 | jharrison | Cooner750: its about time |
| 00:40.27 | jharrison | Cooner750: /quit |
| 00:40.30 | abrotman | Cooner750: why would you exit irssi? |
| 00:40.35 | Cooner750 | I have to run that command |
| 00:40.36 | Cooner750 | still |
| 00:40.38 | jharrison | abrotman: good question |
| 00:40.47 | Cooner750 | brb |
| 00:40.53 | disorder | lol |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | will someone tell him about ctrl-alt-f2 ? |
| 00:41.03 | jharrison | whats that? |
| 00:41.12 | abrotman | to get to another terminal |
| 00:41.13 | jharrison | oh duh |
| 00:41.16 | jharrison | yeah yeah |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | he's quitting so he can type stuff |
| 00:41.19 | jharrison | everyone knows that |
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| 00:41.29 | abrotman | you asked! |
| 00:41.36 | jharrison | abrotman: you meant tty2 |
| 00:41.40 | jharrison | abrotman: or something |
| 00:41.54 | abrotman | you have two also? |
| 00:41.58 | jharrison | abrotman: crazy pensilvanian or however you spell that crazy state |
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| 00:42.29 | simonrvn | pencilvainian |
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| 00:42.32 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:42.39 | cooner750 | OK, it says: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 00:42.45 | jharrison | :) |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | cooner750: ok ..try ctrl-alt-f2 .. then ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 00:42.49 | cooner750 | and then returns to prompt |
| 00:42.51 | asg | simonrvn: i vant to drink you lead? |
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| 00:42.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:43.02 | jharrison | abrotman: tell him how to get back to tty7 |
| 00:43.08 | jharrison | abrotman: or we might never see him again |
| 00:43.13 | jharrison | abrotman: he will become a lurker |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | jharrison: he's not on tty7 |
| 00:43.20 | cooner750 | was that command supposed to return that? |
| 00:43.24 | simonrvn | his x don't start |
| 00:43.25 | jharrison | abrotman: ah well thats ok then |
| 00:43.28 | asg | chvt 7 |
| 00:43.37 | jharrison | it would help if I paid more attention I think |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | cooner750: ok .. did you do the echo part too ? |
| 00:43.45 | simonrvn | yup |
| 00:43.45 | jharrison | cooner750: whats the error? |
| 00:44.19 | cooner750 | I ran the whole command: modprobe mousedev && echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules |
| 00:44.27 | cooner750 | and it returned that text |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | cooner750: cat /etc/modules .. do you see it at the bottom ? |
| 00:44.47 | cooner750 | let me check |
| 00:44.51 | simonrvn | asg: yeh, and like to see himself in mirrors even if he can't. he puts on a rubber face |
| 00:45.04 | asg | simonrvn: or the umbrella hat |
| 00:45.07 | cooner750 | yes I do |
| 00:45.11 | cooner750 | It's at the bottom |
| 00:45.13 | cooner750 | Reboot? |
| 00:45.17 | simonrvn | and holds a pencil - hhehehe - like a cigar |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | cooner750: why ... as root .. /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:45.34 | jharrison | cooner750: no reboot |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | hey wait .. they're picking on me! |
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| 00:45.43 | jharrison | anyone in here work in the medical field? |
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| 00:45.51 | asg | simonrvn: if we all make it to the next debconf, we'll have to make that happen and take pictures |
| 00:46.02 | asg | jharrison: mrs asg's mother does |
| 00:46.13 | jharrison | trying to think of a condition my friend has |
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| 00:46.24 | jharrison | its something to do with not being able to clot when bleeding |
| 00:46.30 | asg | jharrison: anemia |
| 00:46.32 | jharrison | and they were going to remove his spleen |
| 00:46.37 | cooner750 | Help |
| 00:46.42 | jharrison | I think it was Haemophilia |
| 00:46.46 | cooner750 | it worked but my mouse didnt turn on |
| 00:46.51 | Zewl | How can I get php5 & php5-mysqli on Sarge? |
| 00:46.53 | jharrison | but not sure if that has anything to do with spleen |
| 00:46.56 | cooner750 | my mouse wont move |
| 00:47.01 | cooner750 | in Xfce |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | what kind of mouse ? |
| 00:47.12 | Zewl | What sources should I add to sources.list? |
| 00:47.13 | cooner750 | Simple HP PS/2 optical |
| 00:47.17 | asg | Zewl: /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:47.24 | abrotman | cooner750: what kind of mouse did you tell X you had ? |
| 00:47.38 | jharrison | cooner750: usb mouse? |
| 00:47.39 | cooner750 | I dont remember... should I reconfigure it again? |
| 00:47.42 | cooner750 | No, PS/2 |
| 00:47.44 | jharrison | ps/2 duh |
| 00:47.56 | Zewl | asg, isn't backports for old stuff? |
| 00:48.00 | jharrison | cooner750: so probably /dev/psaux and protocol IMPS/2 or something |
| 00:48.03 | bulio| | how do I gain FTP access to my box? |
| 00:48.04 | jharrison | I think |
| 00:48.10 | jharrison | if I remember correctly |
| 00:48.12 | asg | Zewl: yes. Sarge doesn't come with php5 |
| 00:48.18 | cooner750 | How do I get it working? |
| 00:48.19 | dvs | cooner750: are you running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | jharrison: no |
| 00:48.28 | simonrvn | i'd try /dev/input/mice first |
| 00:48.34 | asg | bulio|: use ssh/scp/sftp instead |
| 00:48.37 | cooner750 | I just downloaded the netinst disc yesterday, I do believe it's 2.6, yes |
| 00:49.10 | r121 | What sort of improvement is the 686 2.6 kernel over the 486 one if I have a P4? |
| 00:49.14 | cooner750 | Should I re-run the Xfree86 configuration? |
| 00:49.19 | bulio| | asg: why? |
| 00:49.37 | Zewl | asg, I get this error "Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unsatable/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]" |
| 00:49.48 | dvs | cooner750: yes, rerun it and specify PS/2 mouse |
| 00:49.56 | asg | bulio|: because FTP is a terrible insecure protocol |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | cooner750: uname -a will tell us |
| 00:50.18 | cooner750 | It |
| 00:50.21 | cooner750 | is 2.4... |
| 00:50.24 | asg | Zewl: 1) it's unstable, not unsatable. 2) You're running sarge. Remove those sources before you cause frightful harm to your system. |
| 00:50.31 | cooner750 | What do I do? |
| 00:50.35 | dvs | panic! |
| 00:50.39 | dvs | just kidding |
| 00:50.49 | asg | don't panic, just go oooom |
| 00:50.53 | dvs | cooner750: Since it's a new install, I'd install a 2.6 kernel |
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| 00:50.59 | cooner750 | How do I do that? |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | cooner750: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:51.13 | asg | cooner750: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | wait .. nevermind |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | cooner750: apt-get intall kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | except .. spell install correctly |
| 00:51.30 | Zewl | asg, lol thats what it says to add at the url that dpkg just sent me |
| 00:51.47 | asg | Zewl: no, the backports factoid should *not* instruct you to add unstable sources |
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| 00:52.02 | Zewl | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 00:52.09 | jharrison | did they use /dev/input/mice for ps/2? |
| 00:52.23 | asg | meh |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | jharrison: it's the generic mouse port |
| 00:52.26 | jharrison | yeah didnt that change from /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice or something |
| 00:52.27 | asg | !tell Zewl about bpo |
| 00:52.29 | abrotman | jharrison: it's what you should really be using |
| 00:52.45 | jharrison | abrotman: when I started with linux I dont think there was a /dev/input/mice |
| 00:52.45 | cooner750 | it's trying to connect to security.debian.org |
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| 00:52.54 | cooner750 | 0% |
| 00:53.05 | cooner750 | Any ideas? |
| 00:53.30 | jharrison | cooner750: does it resolve? |
| 00:53.34 | cooner750 | It |
| 00:53.36 | cooner750 | It |
| 00:53.43 | cooner750 | It's "connecting" |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | cooner750: hit ctrl-c .. try again |
| 00:53.52 | jharrison | does it resolve though? |
| 00:54.19 | cooner750 | there it goes |
| 00:54.24 | cooner750 | the server just didnt respond I guess |
| 00:54.33 | abrotman | it's a group of three .. |
| 00:54.48 | cooner750 | It's working on it |
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| 00:54.56 | cooner750 | Done |
| 00:54.58 | cooner750 | Reboot? |
| 00:55.06 | dvs | cooner750: not yet |
| 00:55.15 | dvs | cooner750: reconfigure X to use /dev/input/mice |
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| 00:55.28 | cooner750 | So, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:55.34 | dvs | cooner750: yes |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | i think he did that already |
| 00:56.11 | dvs | he did? |
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| 00:56.50 | jharrison | sometimes they are slllooooowwww too |
| 00:57.14 | cooner750 | Done reconfiguring |
| 00:57.20 | dvs | cooner750: reboot |
| 00:57.21 | cooner750 | chose /dev/input/mice |
| 00:57.22 | Zewl | asg, ack.. that doesn't have php5-mysqli :P |
| 00:57.30 | cooner750 | rebooting |
| 00:57.48 | Zewl | Argg, I think I will just use dotdeb.org :( |
| 00:58.44 | asg | Zewl: is mysqli absolutely necessary? |
| 00:59.35 | Zewl | Yes, I've done all my new stuff with it :P |
| 01:00.12 | JordiGH | Aye, aye, aye, Debian wants to remove my kernel image... |
| 01:00.20 | abrotman | so what? |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | !qotd167 |
| 01:00.41 | dpkg | qotd167 is, like, <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 01:00.55 | dvs | heh |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | ghostbusters? |
| 01:01.33 | JordiGH | Hmm... I wonder why it wants to do that. Maybe that Force-LoopBreak thing wasn't such a good idea. :-/ |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | don't use dotdeb |
| 01:01.57 | asg | abrotman: ... sumthin strange, in the neighborhood, who you gonna call ... He Man |
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| 01:02.10 | abrotman | asg: silverhawks ? |
| 01:02.13 | abrotman | Cooner750: better? |
| 01:02.26 | dvs | Cooner750: uname -a |
| 01:02.26 | asg | abrotman: TMNT |
| 01:02.37 | abrotman | asg: oh yes! .. |
| 01:02.39 | Cooner750 | It worked, thanks, I installed XChat but it says "Running IRC as root is stupid! Create a new account". How do I do that? |
| 01:02.44 | asg | abrotman: the quote as from GB II though |
| 01:02.47 | JordiGH | dotdeb? |
| 01:02.48 | asg | *was |
| 01:02.59 | dvs | Cooner750: you should have done that when you instaled Debian |
| 01:03.05 | Cooner750 | it never asked |
| 01:03.11 | Cooner750 | Just for a username and password |
| 01:03.12 | dvs | Cooner750: oh yes it did |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | Cooner750: you did that already ... and asked you for a password |
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| 01:03.18 | dvs | Cooner750: that's it |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | Cooner750: that's an .. account ... |
| 01:03.24 | Cooner750 | I know, and I logged in using that account |
| 01:03.30 | Cooner750 | so why did it say that? |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | Cooner750: in the terminal .. type `whoami` |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | Cooner750: at GDM .. did you type root or your user? |
| 01:04.07 | Cooner750 | I typed my user |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | ok .. then run xchat from themenu |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | the menu |
| 01:04.20 | Cooner750 | and whoami shows my username |
| 01:04.26 | Cooner750 | I dont have a menu... |
| 01:04.34 | Cooner750 | It's just the bar at the bottom and the one at the top. I have some work to do lol |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | doesn't the bar at the bottom have .. programs in it ? |
| 01:05.00 | Zewl | !tell Zewl about pbo |
| 01:05.03 | Cooner750 | yea, but XChat isnt there |
| 01:05.06 | dvs | Cooner750: Application in the top-left corner? |
| 01:05.34 | Cooner750 | no, the bar at the top shows the current open windows at the one at the bottom has icons for different programs |
| 01:05.37 | Cooner750 | Like what Slax Popcorn looks like |
| 01:06.06 | Cooner750 | sudo dosent work either |
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| 01:06.21 | disorder | Cooner750: right-click on the desktop |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | you'd have to .. configure sudo |
| 01:06.27 | JordiGH | Hmm... the kernel is all loaded in memory, right? so are the modules? It's ok to remove the kernel temporarily and install a new one right away? |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | or maybe even install it |
| 01:06.42 | Cooner750 | sudo is installed but it says I am not in the sudoers file |
| 01:07.20 | simonrvn | type visudo as root and add your user, using the root one as an example |
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| 01:07.50 | simonrvn | yes i know, but he can adjust it later if he wants |
| 01:08.02 | Cooner750 | it says "root ALL(ALL) ALL |
| 01:08.06 | Cooner750 | do the same with my username? |
| 01:08.28 | Cooner750 | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 01:08.36 | JordiGH | Anyone have any serious objections to letting dpkg remove my kernel provided I install a new one right away? |
| 01:08.47 | Cooner750 | How do I save that file? |
| 01:08.59 | asg | JordiGH: it's perfectly fine as long as your machine doesn't crash during that period. Have a rescue CD handy. |
| 01:09.01 | JordiGH | Cooner750: It's vi. I think it's :w and then :q |
| 01:09.18 | JordiGH | asg: Here goes nothing... :P |
| 01:09.25 | asg | JordiGH: he can do :wq or ZZ |
| 01:09.33 | dvs | or :x |
| 01:09.35 | Cooner750 | where is the sudoers file? it says /etc/sudoers.tmp |
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| 01:10.15 | jharrison | JordiGH: as long as you have a kernel to boot on whats the difference if you apt-get purge the debian supplied one? |
| 01:10.20 | asg | dvs: I always thought vi needed :@====== for delete |
| 01:10.24 | Cooner750 | I get syntax error on line 15 |
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| 01:10.49 | dvs | asg: I know very little about vi. |
| 01:10.56 | dvs | asg: just enough to get by |
| 01:11.01 | jharrison | Cooner750: you have to use visudo I think |
| 01:11.07 | asg | dvs: in most cases, that's all you need to know. |
| 01:11.11 | jharrison | vim works great for writing code |
| 01:11.14 | jharrison | all the pretty colours |
| 01:11.15 | Cooner750 | I got it |
| 01:11.29 | Cooner750 | it was a typo |
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| 01:12.26 | JordiGH | I chickened out. Apt is giving me a lot of mysterious complaints, e.g. saying Synaptic is uninstallable. I'm doing a dist-upgrade and see if that helps. Thing is, I used a 2004 version of Sarge to install Debian on this machine. |
| 01:12.36 | Cooner750 | how can I install firefox? |
| 01:12.45 | JordiGH | aptitude install mozilla-firefox |
| 01:12.49 | asg | Cooner750: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 01:13.05 | dvs | JorgiGH: There is no 2004 version of Sarge |
| 01:13.08 | jharrison | mmmm frosty |
| 01:13.19 | JordiGH | dvs: Yes, sarge was testing back in 2004. |
| 01:13.25 | asg | jharrison: Wendy's? |
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| 01:14.00 | jharrison | asg: yeah |
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| 01:14.42 | Cooner750 | Themes for Xfce? |
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| 01:14.44 | asg | jharrison: mmmm beer |
| 01:14.57 | Luke-Jr | is it possible to install an unstable package in stable? |
| 01:15.15 | asg | Luke-Jr: use a backport |
| 01:15.31 | asg | Luke-Jr: /msg dpkg bpo || /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 01:16.00 | anisfarhana | hello hello greetings all :D |
| 01:16.17 | Luke-Jr | asg: I just want that *single* package, and stable for everything else |
| 01:16.41 | asg | Luke-Jr: that single package will likely rely on many things not in stable causing havoc and pain. |
| 01:17.02 | Luke-Jr | asg: aww, I use Gentoo at home-- I'm used to it |
| 01:17.12 | Luke-Jr | besides, I don't think it will |
| 01:17.23 | asg | Luke-Jr: then do so, it's your system. We won't be able to help you if you do though. |
| 01:17.58 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 01:17.58 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 01:18.17 | JordiGH | Your Gentoo ideas are intriguing to me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsleter. |
| 01:18.26 | Cooner750 | Archive tool? |
| 01:18.32 | Cooner750 | I forget what Xubuntu uses |
| 01:18.38 | asg | Cooner750: tar(1) |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | Cooner750: guitar ? |
| 01:19.04 | asg | !beat abrotman with a Les Paul |
| 01:19.15 | Luke-Jr | asg: how about if I just install a single backport? |
| 01:19.16 | Cooner750 | Installing synaptic right now |
| 01:19.33 | asg | Luke-Jr: if the backport is available, you will usually be fine. |
| 01:19.35 | dvs | cool! |
| 01:19.37 | jharrison | asg: we have beer too |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | what! |
| 01:19.41 | Cooner750 | hmm i'm not really liking Xfce that much for some reason now |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | it's a program! |
| 01:19.46 | Cooner750 | Anyway to install Gnome? |
| 01:19.50 | jharrison | asg: and not that piss beer like in the US |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome ? |
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| 01:19.53 | asg | Cooner750: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 01:19.59 | jharrison | asg: well we have the piss beer here too |
| 01:20.04 | asg | jharrison: there are ways to find good beer here |
| 01:20.04 | dvs | abrotman: No, that's too obvious! ;-) |
| 01:20.05 | jharrison | asg: we import it for some reason |
| 01:20.10 | jharrison | asg: I know |
| 01:20.20 | Luke-Jr | asg: it's not :( |
| 01:20.25 | w00t- | jharrison u drunk beer rite now? |
| 01:20.27 | w00t- | :) |
| 01:20.27 | Cooner750 | Downloading packages |
| 01:20.35 | Luke-Jr | asg: any idea for a way to better do PHP\ scripting? |
| 01:20.39 | Cooner750 | I can choose Gnome from GDM, correct? |
| 01:20.42 | jharrison | w00t-: what? |
| 01:20.56 | anisfarhana | i have a stupid question : how to make server page info on my server via httpd ? |
| 01:20.56 | asg | Luke-Jr: install apache php4 libapache-mod-php4 |
| 01:21.08 | Luke-Jr | asg: that runs scripts as apache-- quite limited use |
| 01:21.09 | asg | anisfarhana: apt-get install apache |
| 01:21.14 | asg | Luke-Jr: ? |
| 01:21.17 | Luke-Jr | or, as www-data |
| 01:21.37 | asg | Luke-Jr: oh, you mean php as a regular scripting language. install php4-cgi |
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| 01:22.03 | Luke-Jr | asg: I mean using the webserver as if it's SSH more or less |
| 01:22.10 | Cooner750 | i have to install audio codecs to play MP3s too, correct? |
| 01:22.13 | Luke-Jr | executing the scripts under the user behind the browser |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | no |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | Cooner750: just isntall a player |
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| 01:22.38 | Cooner750 | i'm waiting for Gnome to install right now |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | and waiting .. and waiting :) |
| 01:22.52 | anisfarhana | asg: apache ? i mean the server info page such as http://myserver.com/info.php |
| 01:23.20 | asg | anisfarhana: install phpsysinfo |
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| 01:23.36 | anisfarhana | asg: can i apt get it ? |
| 01:23.44 | asg | anisfarhana: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 01:23.51 | magyar | how can i make proftpd to follow the user.group setting of the parent directory? |
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| 01:23.54 | anisfarhana | asg: Debian 3.0 |
| 01:24.08 | asg | anisfarhana: woody is old and no longer gets security support |
| 01:24.17 | Vasistha | anisfarhana: oldstable, huh? Any reason you haven't upgraded to sarge? |
| 01:24.32 | asg | anisfarhana: however, phpsysinfo is available for woody |
| 01:24.37 | asg | !info phpsysinfo woody |
| 01:24.40 | dpkg | phpsysinfo: (PHP Based Host Information), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0-3woody2 (woody), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 652 kB |
| 01:24.53 | anisfarhana | asg / Vasistha : i bought this vps from website , they just gave me woody , not sarge |
| 01:25.17 | asg | anisfarhana: I'd strongly advise you to have them upgrade to sarge at the first opportunity. |
| 01:25.33 | w00t- | hi guyz who drunk? |
| 01:25.34 | w00t- | :) |
| 01:25.38 | w00t- | rite now |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | w00t-: shut up |
| 01:25.42 | anisfarhana | asg: i can't do that , i already ask the owner about that , they said "we just have woody" |
| 01:25.46 | asg | I am, but I can spell |
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| 01:25.51 | Vasistha | w00t-: wrong channel? |
| 01:26.08 | anisfarhana | asg: possibility...does my server can be hack easily ? |
| 01:26.21 | asg | anisfarhana: the further in time we get, the more likely that will be |
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| 01:26.48 | Vasistha | anisfarhana: as security vulnerabilities are discovered, they will not be fixed, thus making you more and more vulnerable as time goes by |
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| 01:27.05 | asg | anisfarhana: had the recent /proc vulnerabilities been in 2.4.x kernels, then woody would not have been patched to fix them. |
| 01:27.14 | Vasistha | anisfarhana: you'd still probably be safer than on a windows server even 5 years from now :D |
| 01:27.26 | anisfarhana | 2.6.11.9-vs2.0-rc1-node #1 |
| 01:27.27 | Cooner750 | My processor is a lot happier with a new fan |
| 01:27.35 | anisfarhana | im using kernel 2.6.X |
| 01:27.47 | asg | anisfarhana: a custom kernel will not protect userland vulnerabilities |
| 01:27.48 | Cooner750 | gnome is done downloading |
| 01:28.07 | Vasistha | asg: were those patched by 2.4.27-sarge3 ? |
| 01:28.09 | Cooner750 | Er |
| 01:28.15 | asg | Vasistha: 2.4.27 wasn't affected |
| 01:28.25 | Cooner750 | "Please choose your sound daemon's dsp wrapper." |
| 01:28.26 | asg | Vasistha: or any 2.4.x kernel. It was 2.6.x only |
| 01:28.27 | Cooner750 | auto? |
| 01:28.28 | anisfarhana | asg: ok ok , we put the security matters in 2nd place , the first place , can i apt-get install phpsysinfo ? |
| 01:28.35 | asg | anisfarhana: yes |
| 01:28.36 | Vasistha | asg: oh, hehheh, 2.6.8-3-sarge4 perhaps |
| 01:28.48 | anisfarhana | asg: thanks a lot , i will check it out now |
| 01:29.00 | abrotman | Cooner750: good guess :) |
| 01:29.07 | Cooner750 | it's installing |
| 01:29.11 | Cooner750 | 200-some packages |
| 01:29.12 | Vasistha | Cooner750: yeah, auto is probably good. Worst case: it won't work and you'll have to fix it. |
| 01:29.13 | asg | Vasistha: 2.6.8-16sarge4 |
| 01:29.35 | Vasistha | asg: ah, nice, I'm glad my brother was just in town and I did the upgrade for him |
| 01:29.52 | bulio| | what chmod would I use to give a CMS read/write access? |
| 01:29.59 | asg | Vasistha: it was a local root vulnerability so not as risky as a remote one. |
| 01:30.07 | Cooner750 | this is going to take a while.. |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | Cooner750: get a beer? |
| 01:30.23 | Cooner750 | I'm 13 lol |
| 01:30.26 | dvs | get a six pack |
| 01:30.38 | asg | grow a beard, it always worked for me |
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| 01:30.55 | abrotman | asg: he may not have erm .. hair down there yet :) |
| 01:31.06 | asg | abrotman: touché |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | and the red sox win! |
| 01:31.46 | dvs | boo! |
| 01:31.50 | Cooner750 | "Setting up bug-buddy (2.8.0-3)..." is taking forever... |
| 01:32.01 | abrotman | Cooner750: yeah .. lots of bugs :) |
| 01:32.23 | asg | abrotman: gotta love a DE that installs the bug reporting tool by default |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | asg: yeah ... kde installs a prelinker :) |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | bug buddy is ok .. |
| 01:32.57 | anisfarhana | asg: what is default path in httpd to see the phpsysinfo after apt-get ? |
| 01:32.59 | asg | abrotman: fluxbox installs Art Linkletter |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | bug-buddy is better than reportbug |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | for a GUI anyways ... |
| 01:33.16 | asg | anisfarhana: no clue, check /usr/share/doc/phpsysinfo/* for more info |
| 01:33.17 | Cooner750 | Still setting up tons of Gnome packages |
| 01:33.24 | Cooner750 | Seems like it includes more than Xfce |
| 01:33.40 | asg | Cooner750: gnome is bloated like a dead manatee |
| 01:33.56 | Cooner750 | Done. Log out and select Gnome? |
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| 01:34.06 | dvs | Cooner750: that wasn't too long |
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| 01:34.57 | rhys | beards are nice |
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| 01:35.11 | asg | mhmmf mhmmf mhmmmf |
| 01:35.38 | rhys | ive had one since about 8th grade |
| 01:35.52 | abrotman | girls shouldn't have beards |
| 01:36.06 | dvs | abrotman: tell that to my teachers. |
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| 01:36.13 | Cooner750 | Well it worked |
| 01:36.18 | dvs | awwwwwww |
| 01:36.23 | Cooner750 | Can I install the Human theme from ubuntu? |
| 01:36.23 | rhys | abrotman, burn in hell |
| 01:36.23 | anisfarhana | asg: apt-get install php given me errors , any solution for this sir ? |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | rhys: i fully intend to :) |
| 01:36.43 | asg | anisfarhana: apt-get install php4 apache libapache-mod-php4 |
| 01:36.45 | abrotman | does anyone here have any doubt that i will suffer an eternity in hell? :) |
| 01:36.49 | dvs | Cooner750: that won't work |
| 01:36.50 | rhys | ill sned you there with an ax!! |
| 01:36.59 | rhys | abrotman, nope. |
| 01:37.02 | asg | abrotman: hell is other people according to Sartre |
| 01:37.19 | anisfarhana | Sorry, php4 is already the newest version. |
| 01:37.20 | anisfarhana | Sorry, apache is already the newest version. |
| 01:37.20 | asg | abrotman: would hanging out we me, perfy, paul, and greycat be all bad? |
| 01:37.20 | dvs | abrotman: nope |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | asg: depends ... |
| 01:37.22 | cureless | I though #hell got redirected to #debian |
| 01:37.25 | anisfarhana | Sorry, libapache-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 01:37.27 | anisfarhana | hurm.. |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | asg: will there be beer .. or since it's hell .. will it be budweiser? |
| 01:37.40 | asg | anisfarhana: no worries. Did it install the other bits? |
| 01:37.54 | anisfarhana | asg: phpsysinfo is good , i guess problem with *php , i cant open phpsysinfo via httpd |
| 01:38.04 | anisfarhana | asg: what do u mean by other bits ? |
| 01:38.07 | EdLin | abrotman: if it's hell, the budweiser will be warm |
| 01:38.07 | EdLin | !u |
| 01:38.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:39.09 | anisfarhana | asg: when i open http://myserver.com/phpsysinfo/ , firefox just show me to download index.php , so i guess this is php problem |
| 01:39.13 | Luke-Jr | how can I undo 'apt-get build-dep'? |
| 01:40.08 | plugwash | if you still have the list of what it installed in your terminal backbuffer paste it onto an apt-get remove line |
| 01:40.36 | Cooner750 | How to install Apache PHP and MySQL? |
| 01:40.37 | Cooner750 | and Java |
| 01:40.39 | Cooner750 | JRE |
| 01:40.51 | Luke-Jr | plugwash: aww-- how about the updates |
| 01:40.53 | dvs | Cooner750: you have synaptic, use it. ;-) |
| 01:40.56 | EdLin | Cooner750: for Java, /topic |
| 01:41.00 | Vasistha | Cooner750: jre will be very different from the others, I think |
| 01:41.11 | Cooner750 | I need it just to run Wildfire Jabber server |
| 01:41.22 | abrotman | ejabberd ? |
| 01:41.30 | Cooner750 | Is that a Jabber server too? |
| 01:41.35 | Luke-Jr | Cooner750: why not jabberd2? |
| 01:41.36 | plugwash | Luke-Jr afiact the only way to make apt-get downgrade stuff is to specify the exact version on an apt-get install line |
| 01:41.36 | Cooner750 | If so I could probably use it |
| 01:41.49 | Cooner750 | How is it configured, web interface? |
| 01:42.01 | plugwash | Luke-Jr did you change your sources.list before using apt-get build-dep or something? |
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| 01:42.17 | cblack0 | quick stupid question since I'm trying to help someone set up some web stuff in another channel: |
| 01:42.27 | cblack0 | what user does debian run apache as by default? |
| 01:42.27 | asg | anisfarhana: yes, did you restart apache after install php4 and libapache-mod-php4? |
| 01:42.48 | anisfarhana | asg: not yet , restarting now.. |
| 01:42.51 | asg | cblack0: www-data |
| 01:43.31 | Cooner750 | How do I install ejabberd? |
| 01:43.42 | anisfarhana | asg: same thing , they asked me to download index.php |
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| 01:43.49 | asg | Cooner750: apt-cache search <keywords> (find the package and apt-get install it) |
| 01:43.55 | asg | anisfarhana: purge your browser cache |
| 01:44.29 | Cooner750 | I dont see it |
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| 01:45.35 | asg | anisfarhana: if that still doesn't fix things, verify that 'LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so' exists in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 01:45.59 | anisfarhana | asg: done , i love u |
| 01:46.08 | asg | anisfarhana: :) |
| 01:46.32 | asg | Cooner750: if you are using sarge, just install 'jabber' |
| 01:46.47 | Cooner750 | is that the server? How do I manage it? |
| 01:47.00 | anisfarhana | asg: correction , im using 3.1 , 3.1 is sarge ? |
| 01:47.23 | asg | anisfarhana: yes |
| 01:47.54 | Cooner750 | Does it run as a service, or? |
| 01:48.06 | cblack0 | every time I hop on irc for advice/help I end up helping ppl more than getting help and getting stuff done, oh well :) |
| 01:48.17 | anisfarhana | asg: one more thing , i open phpsysinfo using url http://myserver.com/phpsysinfo , can i just make it at http://myserver.com ? |
| 01:48.18 | Vasistha | cblack0: I know how you feel... |
| 01:48.19 | asg | Cooner750: yes, jabber is the C based server for sarge. It's configured by editing config files. |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | cblack0: that's in the config file i believe |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | and editable |
| 01:48.45 | asg | anisfarhana: you can use an apache alias or, if that's all you are going to run, redefine the DocumentRoot |
| 01:48.56 | Vasistha | cblack0: oh, I think the user is www |
| 01:49.06 | Vasistha | cblack0: but I'm not 100% sure about that |
| 01:49.14 | Cooner750 | Where is the services manager? |
| 01:49.44 | asg | Vasistha: it's www-data |
| 01:49.55 | Vasistha | Cooner750: services manager?? Perhaps you are referring to /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*.d ? |
| 01:50.15 | EdLin | Cooner750: man update-rc.d |
| 01:50.18 | anisfarhana | asg: ok thanks again , and sorry bothering you with stupid questions |
| 01:50.23 | Vasistha | cblack0: yeah, as asg said, it's www-data |
| 01:50.35 | asg | anisfarhana: you're welcome. |
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| 01:50.45 | cblack0 | thanks |
| 01:50.51 | Cooner750 | the "ubu's" have a Services panel that shows the currently running services |
| 01:51.04 | asg | Cooner750: try rcconf |
| 01:51.15 | tnks | How do I control where kernel messages are directed (console-wise)? |
| 01:51.22 | cblack0 | dude I'm helping with a php app stopped responding, but it is good to know the default apache user in debian anyway :) |
| 01:51.25 | EdLin | Cooner750: if they are internet using, netstat -plnt |
| 01:51.29 | asg | tnks: /msg dpkg klogd (or man dmesg) |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | cblack0: isn't that what you asked ? |
| 01:51.48 | asg | tnks: also, consult syslog.conf |
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| 01:53.50 | cblack0 | abrotman: yep, got my answer |
| 01:54.11 | cblack0 | www-data is the user apache runs as by default in debian, got it |
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| 01:54.55 | Cooner750 | Where can I get the Clearlooks base? |
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| 01:56.49 | EdLin | Cooner750: go to a themes site, like the one on freshmeat, and find it. |
| 01:57.13 | Ronin | indeed asg |
| 01:57.28 | asg | Ronin: any good? The cat is looking a bit spotty |
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| 01:59.05 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 01:59.11 | whm | kate's encoding selecting in open/save don't work in debian/sid ??? |
| 01:59.24 | asg | whm: if it did but now it doesn't, check the bts |
| 01:59.34 | H2OyJaBoN | where might see the "etch" (testing)repositorios ? |
| 02:00.04 | whm | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.11 | anisfarhana | asg: bad bad , silly mistake , i just rm -f phpsysinfo :(( |
| 02:00.17 | anisfarhana | *rm -rf |
| 02:00.25 | asg | anisfarhana: where where you when you did that? |
| 02:00.36 | asg | anisfarhana: if you haven't changed directories, 'pwd' will tell you |
| 02:00.39 | anisfarhana | asg: no files inside /var/www now |
| 02:00.43 | asg | eep |
| 02:00.52 | anisfarhana | huwaa :'( |
| 02:00.58 | Ronin | anisfarhana: at least phpsysinfo isnt critical |
| 02:01.01 | asg | anisfarhana: check 'dpkg -L phpsysinfo' |
| 02:01.22 | asg | anisfarhana: phpy files are often in /usr/share/<pkg> and symlinked or just aliased via apache |
| 02:01.55 | anisfarhana | asg: nothing now..nothing in var/www/ |
| 02:02.11 | anisfarhana | asg: can i install that package again ? |
| 02:02.24 | asg | anisfarhana: apt-get install --reinstall phpsysinfo |
| 02:02.46 | asg | anisfarhana: if that doesn't work, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:02.59 | anisfarhana | Unpacking replacement phpsysinfo ... |
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| 02:03.28 | anisfarhana | asg: ah thanks |
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| 02:04.59 | Cooner750 | When I install a Metacity theme like Clearlooks why does it not apply the applications theme? The Window Border works but not the others |
| 02:05.03 | Cooner750 | any ideas? |
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| 02:06.30 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 02:06.30 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 02:07.12 | asg | yay vegemite shooters |
| 02:07.35 | EdLin | Cooner750: you need a gtk2 theme too, and maybe some other themes too, it's been a long time since I fiddled with customizing GNOME 2. |
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| 02:08.03 | SerajewelKS | what happened to devices: in KDE? |
| 02:08.06 | JordiGH | vegemite? Is dpkg Australian? |
| 02:08.06 | phrowzen | hey |
| 02:08.09 | anisfarhana | asg: again , i tried with apt-get install pine/pico , but error , what should i do to install that editor ? |
| 02:08.16 | phrowzen | can anyone think of some setting/configuration which might slow down my network transfers? on a 100Mbps link, i can only maximize the connection using multiple threads (but all from the same host/destination, its not a bandwidth limitation) |
| 02:08.30 | asg | anisfarhana: pico is non-free. Install (or use, since you should have it, 'nano') |
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| 02:08.38 | asg | !pine |
| 02:08.38 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 02:08.56 | anisfarhana | asg: you are correct again |
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| 02:09.26 | EdLin | not to mention PINE having way too many exploits |
| 02:10.11 | EdLin | JordiGH: I have |
| 02:10.21 | stew | i have several times this week |
| 02:10.31 | JordiGH | From a 2-year-old install? |
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| 02:10.33 | EdLin | JordiGH: I've done it going from Woody to Sarge with no problems |
| 02:10.50 | asg | JordiGH: dist-upgrading a sarge (ne testing) from 2004 to current is not likely to work no matter how many voodoo potions you have. |
| 02:11.34 | JordiGH | asg: I'm looking forward to a wiiiiild night! :-) |
| 02:11.49 | EdLin | dist-upgrading over long periods of time works fine for from stable to stable, if you're talking about testing or sid, well, you should have kept them up to date else what's the use in not running stable. |
| 02:11.57 | Cooner750 | GTK2 themes are not working right either |
| 02:11.58 | asg | JordiGH: at this point, I'd backup any volatile data and reinstall. |
| 02:11.59 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 02:12.18 | JordiGH | asg: It's a clean install from a 2004 cd. Losing data is not an issue. :-) |
| 02:12.44 | EdLin | !d-i JordiGH |
| 02:12.44 | dpkg | JordiGH, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:13.01 | asg | JordiGH: other than a rather interesting exercise, I'd go with what EdLin just proposed |
| 02:13.27 | JordiGH | Meh, already halfway through downloading the dist-upgrade. Let the games begin, I say. |
| 02:13.31 | tnks | Okay, so I got rid of klogd in favor of syslog-ng. I see that I can control which users logged into ttys see kernel messages, but is it possible to restrict which ttys? |
| 02:13.43 | JordiGH | I'd have to restart the download anyways if I did a more minimal netinstall. |
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| 02:15.05 | EdLin | JordiGH: if spending time downloading is something you want to avoid, maybe you should run stable. |
| 02:15.32 | asg | tnks: if it isn't possible, you could send the messages to a fifo and use 'sec' to intelligently send data to the correct consoles. |
| 02:15.46 | Cooner750 | Anyone know what could be wrong with Gnome? |
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| 02:16.41 | EdLin | Cooner750: could you please be more vague? |
| 02:16.46 | asg | Cooner750: if your gnome issue isn't answered here, try /msg dpkg #gnome (for other irc channels that deal with the configs more specifically.) |
| 02:16.48 | Agrajag- | Cooner750: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ |
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| 02:19.11 | Cooner750 | Command to restart Gnome? |
| 02:19.46 | EdLin | Cooner750: are you in the console or in gdm or similar? |
| 02:19.57 | Cooner750 | I'm in Gnome itself |
| 02:20.03 | Cooner750 | using GDM for login manager |
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| 02:20.44 | dvs | Cooner750: then just log out |
| 02:20.56 | EdLin | Cooner750: well, if gdm isn't giving you problems just log out. If it is you should restart gdm. |
| 02:21.13 | Cooner750 | brb |
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| 02:22.06 | meff | im having a really odd problem, just about every ftp server i've configured in etch to allow user ftp in, when i try i get 530 login failed.. |
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| 02:22.41 | Cooner750 | Got it |
| 02:23.08 | Cooner750 | Had to install the gtk2-engines-clearlooks package |
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| 02:25.28 | meff | ls |
| 02:25.34 | meff | arg |
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| 02:29.22 | mboso | anyone know where i can find compiz debina packages? All over the net for Ubuntu, but can't seeem to find any for debian |
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| 02:30.29 | Lenolium | So, I have a curious question, I'm really not trying to start any flamewars or anything, but why isn't less installed as the pager as default instead of more? |
| 02:31.04 | SubStack | less has some other dependencies |
| 02:31.36 | SubStack | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), debianutils (>= 1.8) |
| 02:32.40 | abrotman | mboso: it's not in debian |
| 02:33.11 | sng | abrotman: He asked about debina, duh. |
| 02:33.19 | kreg_work | ok get this. i have 5 motherboards all same model, cpu, bios version, case, powersupply....... one every one of them, debian, fedora, centos, locks up durring install "IF" i have two intel nics installed. but does not if i have only one or none installed. i have even tried switching slots. the install just locks up and hangs. any clues? |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | eh .. #es ? |
| 02:33.22 | sng | What are you stupid or something? |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | apparently |
| 02:33.33 | sng | Yay! |
| 02:33.48 | Lenolium | SubStack, Fair enough. I would argue that libncurses5 is probably something that could be placed in core, but as a non-developer, it is not my decision to make. Thanks. |
| 02:34.31 | SubStack | I'm not a developer either, it just has some dependencies |
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| 02:34.44 | struct | kreg_work: dont use intel cards? |
| 02:34.45 | Lenolium | kreg_work, Have you tried a different kernel? Also, when it crashes, does it produce a kernel trap, or does it just stop? |
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| 02:35.22 | kreg_work | Lenolium, earlier today, that is what my searching for 2.4 kernel was all about. so now i've tried 2.6 and 2.4 and 2.4 specific to k6 |
| 02:35.39 | struct | kreg_work: I have 5 intel gigabit cards here. You want them? |
| 02:36.17 | kreg_work | Lenolium, just stops. only way i've gotten some reports from the kernel, is if i put the 2nd card in and run it. sometime down the road it will say "unknown inturrup" twice and hang |
| 02:36.27 | kreg_work | struct, heh intel bad? |
| 02:36.40 | abrotman | kreg_work: try other slots |
| 02:36.54 | kreg_work | abrotman, of the three, i think if hit all combinations |
| 02:37.01 | struct | kreg_work: I dont like them |
| 02:37.07 | kreg_work | was hoping these little guys would make handy routers |
| 02:37.09 | struct | kreg_work: I had a lot of problems with mine |
| 02:37.16 | struct | kreg_work: sounds like you have the same kinds of problems |
| 02:37.18 | kreg_work | struct, simialr story? |
| 02:37.27 | struct | kreg_work: switching to some other nics made all problems go away |
| 02:37.31 | struct | kreg_work: yes |
| 02:38.17 | struct | kreg_work: and when I did get the intel cards to work if I sent large files over the network the cards would disconnect and reconnect which really slowed things down |
| 02:38.30 | Lenolium | I have a great horror story about some of the eepro100 nics from back in the day, swapped them for the cheeziest tulip clone and the problems went away. |
| 02:38.30 | struct | kreg_work: I switched to some realtek 8169 cards and no problems since |
| 02:38.41 | struct | Lenolium: yeah |
| 02:39.11 | struct | I wont get intel cards again |
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| 02:40.16 | mboso | will installing compiz packages intended for Ubuntu have any serious negative consequences? I hear that some packages can be cross installed with little to no problem |
| 02:40.33 | kreg_work | i have a boat load of some SMC nics lying around in a box somewhere |
| 02:40.38 | kreg_work | at least, that's the chip on them |
| 02:41.05 | kreg_work | any opinion on them? |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | mboso: we have no idea .. just try it .. worst that happens is that your system dies and you have to reinstall everything .. we're not going to help you install ubuntu packages on your debian system |
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| 02:42.22 | JordiGH | EdLin: re: running stable to spend less time downloading, the problem is that a lot of mathematical software is in unstable and has been for the last couple of years... I can't stay in stable. :-/ |
| 02:42.23 | anisfarhana | hmm |
| 02:42.34 | anisfarhana | can i put some color on /etc/issue.net for banner in ssh ? |
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| 02:42.42 | anisfarhana | possible do that ? |
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| 02:44.07 | Lenolium | JordiGH, You could always look at doing apt-pinning. google around, you may be able to get the packages you want installed for you. Otherwise, there is always the self-compile option. |
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| 02:45.00 | phrowzen | can anyone think of some setting/configuration which might slow down my network transfers? on a 100Mbps link, i can only maximize the connection using multiple threads (but all from the same host/destination, its not a bandwidth limitation) |
| 02:45.43 | tenzing_ | what port does cups server use? |
| 02:47.32 | Coweater | 631 for config interface |
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| 02:48.32 | peterS | and 631 for the normal printing interface too |
| 02:48.48 | peterS | but it can run an lpd-compatible server too, which is on port 515 |
| 02:48.55 | tenzing_ | my cups server seems to be running but trying to add a new network printer gives an error saying connection to cups server failed |
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| 02:49.26 | abrotman | you ran away! |
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| 02:50.27 | roaet | hello, how do I set up POP3 so I may get my mail from my ISP? |
| 02:50.38 | roaet | In terminal, not using a WM. |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | you probably want something like fetchmail or ... i think mutt can do pop3 |
| 02:51.43 | roaet | pine can't do pop3? |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | pine isn't in debian .. and i don't think it can .. you can use fetchmail to put it where pine can read it |
| 02:52.34 | roaet | ah I see |
| 02:52.35 | roaet | thank you |
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| 02:53.56 | mastrod | Hi all! |
| 02:54.53 | mastrod | I was wondering if there's a way to upload a file automatically using ftp by comand line |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | man ftp ? |
| 02:55.35 | mastrod | in order not to type the user/pass |
| 02:56.10 | mastrod | abrotman: yes, I look at it, but it doesn't have any way to pass it user and pass by arguments |
| 02:56.58 | mastrod | do you know one ? |
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| 02:57.45 | abrotman | bah .. you should be able to |
| 02:57.49 | kreg_work | ubuntu....heh heh |
| 02:57.49 | peterS | mastrod: some ftp clients accept a ~/.netrc with that stuff in it |
| 02:58.10 | Coweater | ncftp will accept command line arguments for it |
| 02:58.14 | peterS | mastrod: it's horribly insecure, like ftp itself (plain-text passwords) but it works |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | duh .. it says that at the bottom :) |
| 02:58.56 | mastrod | peterS: oh, thanks :-) |
| 03:00.46 | JordiGH | sftp! |
| 03:00.53 | JordiGH | !info ssh |
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| 03:01.03 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 03:01.32 | mastrod | MARVELOUS! |
| 03:02.02 | JordiGH | What, sftp? Yes, marvelous it is. |
| 03:02.27 | JordiGH | Puffy is quite proud of it. |
| 03:02.34 | mastrod | hehe |
| 03:02.50 | mastrod | a openbsder eh? ;-) |
| 03:02.59 | mastrod | s/a/an/ |
| 03:03.24 | JordiGH | No, but my sysadmin is. And anything that created ssh can't be all that bad. |
| 03:03.45 | mastrod | Agreed |
| 03:04.04 | mastrod | I would not live if ssh doesn't exist |
| 03:04.11 | JordiGH | I've just discovered that my sysadmin is also a pothead. I'm not sure if this is related to Puffy or not, but a connection could exist. |
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| 03:07.24 | roaet | does fetchmail automatically run? or do I have to make a cron? |
| 03:07.42 | Phuzion | What is a good SSH daemon for Debian that can be installed with apt or aptitude? |
| 03:07.57 | abrotman | openssh-server? |
| 03:08.30 | Phuzion | Not found |
| 03:08.48 | Phuzion | And I know my network settings are correct, I can wget, ping and do all that jazz by domain name |
| 03:08.58 | nevyn | Phuzion: ssh |
| 03:09.04 | tenzing_ | is there a bluetooth package for debian |
| 03:09.10 | nevyn | openssh-server is the "new" name for it |
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| 03:09.26 | abrotman | tenzing_: apt-cache search bluetooth |
| 03:09.27 | nevyn | tenzing_: yeah you may need a couple depending on the device |
| 03:10.11 | w00t- | p2 celeron 333mhz 64mo ram good for debian ? |
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| 03:10.38 | Phuzion | w00t-: I'm running it (without a GUI) on a 133 MHz P1 with 32Mb of RAM |
| 03:10.43 | Phuzion | ANd 5 NIC's, lol |
| 03:10.47 | tenzing_ | nevyn, abrotman .. do i need to install the bluetooth kernal-patch too .. i have kernel 2.6.15 |
| 03:10.49 | w00t- | work fine ? |
| 03:10.52 | nevyn | w00t-: depends on what you want to achieve |
| 03:10.53 | Phuzion | Totally |
| 03:10.56 | nevyn | tenzing_: probably not |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | tenzing_: doubtful |
| 03:11.08 | nrdb | I have just installed skype I would like to test it, anyone want to chat? |
| 03:11.23 | abrotman | ask #skype |
| 03:11.34 | nevyn | w00t-: it's not going to do xgl and compiz but it'll be fine for a lamp and shell server |
| 03:11.59 | nrdb | abrotman: no one is there. |
| 03:12.10 | w00t- | apache , mysql , ftp , sshd |
| 03:12.14 | abrotman | skype isn't in debian |
| 03:12.57 | nrdb | abrotman: I got the debian package from www.skype.com |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 03:15.46 | ekkikrist | skype is also non free |
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| 03:19.04 | nrdb | Phuzion: I am getting "Problem with sound device" but I can't find where to setup/test this. |
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| 03:20.48 | Luke-Jr | Anyone know of a program like "su", but not requiring a terminal? |
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| 03:21.21 | Niklas- | Hi, i have a little migrating from windows-to-linux question. I was wondering if there is some sort of application like the picture viewer that comes with XP to browse images? |
| 03:21.47 | evilgeek | Luke-Jr: it's fairly trivial to do such a thing. |
| 03:22.06 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: so no preexisting program? :( |
| 03:22.18 | evilgeek | Luke-Jr: i can probably write a 5-line perl script to do this. |
| 03:22.24 | nrdb | Luke-Jr: there is "kdesu" and i think "gsu" |
| 03:22.27 | evilgeek | in fact, i think i've done that in the past. |
| 03:22.38 | evilgeek | all you have to do is set the thing setuid root. |
| 03:22.44 | Luke-Jr | nrdb: those require X |
| 03:22.54 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: scripts cannot be setuid root |
| 03:22.57 | evilgeek | gksu, i believe. |
| 03:23.02 | evilgeek | perl scripts can be setuid root, though. |
| 03:23.15 | Luke-Jr | Linux makes an exception for perl? |
| 03:23.20 | SubStack | there is a module |
| 03:23.36 | evilgeek | it's only shell scripts that don't get setuid root benefits. |
| 03:23.41 | evilgeek | (i think.) |
| 03:23.46 | SubStack | and perl actually be the one that is suid-ed |
| 03:23.51 | SubStack | as it runs the script |
| 03:23.52 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: it's anything that uses "#!" to execute |
| 03:23.54 | evilgeek | perhaps perl does some hackery in this regard. |
| 03:23.59 | evilgeek | SubStack: ah. |
| 03:24.21 | evilgeek | shrug. i only know that it works. |
| 03:24.27 | evilgeek | i didn't really stop to consider how. |
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| 03:32.30 | JordiGH | Yay... 12 more minutes to finish downloading a massive dist-upgrade and for the fun to begin. |
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| 03:32.45 | JordiGH | s/fun/"fun" |
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| 03:56.57 | Luke-Jr | Why does sudo in Debian not prompt for a password, and how do I make it prompt? |
| 03:57.37 | simonrvn | it should be... but it's on a time-out, default is 15 minutes IIRC |
| 03:58.05 | Luke-Jr | I used -K |
| 03:58.13 | Luke-Jr | sudo has never prompted me on the system... |
| 03:58.33 | Luke-Jr | I can stick 'PASSWD:' in sudoers explicitly, and still nothing |
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| 04:03.34 | JordiGH | Ok. So I hosed this Debian install after all, and I'll have to start over with a fresh install. Just for kicks and educational purposes, how does one use dpkg's force? I want to overwrite one archive's files with another's. |
| 04:03.36 | Nurbs | Luke-Jr: possibly something wrong with your /etc/pam.d/*? |
| 04:03.40 | Luke-Jr | ok, if I explicitly put "PASSWD:" without a following space, it asks |
| 04:03.44 | Nurbs | heh |
| 04:03.47 | Luke-Jr | Nurbs: I haven't touched it |
| 04:03.56 | Luke-Jr | still strange that I can't make the default to require a password |
| 04:04.17 | JordiGH | dpkg --force-overwrite-dir -i package.deb doesn't seem to do it. :-/ |
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| 04:04.44 | unstable | Why hasn't there been an update for unstable for a long time?(over a week) .. first time I've ever seen this. |
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| 04:06.39 | unstable | simonrvn: debian.org |
| 04:06.55 | MrNaz | how do you determine if the system is recovering from heavy swapping again? someone told me the other day |
| 04:06.56 | Luke-Jr | grr |
| 04:07.00 | simonrvn | um, which one? |
| 04:07.02 | Luke-Jr | it stopped requiring the password again |
| 04:07.05 | JordiGH | MrNaz: free? |
| 04:07.24 | JordiGH | Luke-Jr: It times out. It'll ask again in 15 minutes. |
| 04:07.38 | unstable | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 04:07.38 | unstable | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 04:07.39 | Luke-Jr | JordiGH: -k and -K should fix that |
| 04:07.40 | unstable | simonrvn |
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| 04:08.11 | MrNaz | JordiGH i got 70% memory free... but my load averages are 15.35, 10.85, 6.39 there was a way that someone walked me through the other day to find otu retrospectively |
| 04:08.43 | Nexus | So, I just had a power outage while setting up my new server. Debian now boots and chooses the wrong NIC as the eth0 NIC. Can someone point me to a doc that tells how to tell debian which nic to assign to which interface? |
| 04:09.07 | Luke-Jr | there is no 'wrong' for ethX |
| 04:09.22 | evilgeek | load the modules for the network cards in a different order. |
| 04:09.45 | Luke-Jr | when I have multiples, I give em names |
| 04:09.47 | Luke-Jr | like lan0 or inet0 |
| 04:10.04 | evilgeek | to hell with that. |
| 04:10.06 | epsilon | how can I cause a audio beep in shell? That sound for example coming on tab-tab and multiple choice |
| 04:10.13 | Luke-Jr | 'beep'? |
| 04:10.15 | JordiGH | evilgeek: By the way, are you the same evilgeek from efnet #math? |
| 04:10.19 | evilgeek | epsilon: echo ^G or whatever. |
| 04:10.21 | evilgeek | JordiGH: yes. |
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| 04:10.51 | Nexus | evilgeek, I've not specified any specific order to load modules. It seems to do it automagically. What file would I specify that in? |
| 04:10.52 | Luke-Jr | so no ideas what's up with sudo and why it's giving people access it shouldn't? |
| 04:10.59 | Nexus | Luke-Jr, How do you mean you name them? |
| 04:11.02 | evilgeek | Nexus: /etc/modules or some such. |
| 04:11.09 | evilgeek | Luke-Jr: what's it doing? |
| 04:11.15 | epsilon | evilgeek: how do I "write" this ^G? |
| 04:11.23 | evilgeek | epsilon: hit ^V then hit ^G. |
| 04:11.23 | Luke-Jr | Nexus: luke-jr@tsurukikun xchatlogs $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/40-network.rules |
| 04:11.24 | Luke-Jr | KERNEL="eth*", BUS="pci", ID="0000:00:0a.0", NAME="lan0" |
| 04:11.24 | Luke-Jr | KERNEL="eth*", BUS="pci", ID="0000:00:10.3", NAME="inet0" |
| 04:11.30 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: it's omitting the password prompt |
| 04:11.41 | evilgeek | Luke-Jr: that's bizarre. |
| 04:11.49 | gigglebug | whenever i try to do an upgrade using synaptic, it tells me i am using the same kernel version, that it is generating a module.dep, but it never finishes. what is causing the problem? |
| 04:11.51 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: and a security risk |
| 04:11.54 | tuv | did anyone manage to install the program avi2raw on debian? it's part of mpeg4ip(.net). there is a package in marillat's repo, but it does not include this program |
| 04:11.54 | Nexus | Luke-Jr, Awesome. I forgot I'm using the udev system now. |
| 04:12.10 | evilgeek | Luke-Jr: can you paste your /etc/sudoers to a pastebin, or do you have passwords in there? |
| 04:12.20 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: can do, 1 sec |
| 04:12.21 | evilgeek | Luke-Jr: also, is your system time behaving properly? |
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| 04:14.18 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: got a good one? pastebin.com is broken |
| 04:14.24 | evilgeek | rafb.net/paste |
| 04:15.40 | Luke-Jr | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8zSm3O65.html |
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| 04:16.20 | JordiGH | Alright, this laptop has become a sacrificial lappy. There's no way that all of these dpkg --force-all -i package.deb commands will get me a working system. :-) |
| 04:16.51 | Luke-Jr | JordiGH: a reinstall might |
| 04:17.12 | cjohnson | I'm having a problem with ndiswrapper and the automatic dhcp option in /etc/network/interfaces, the essid needs to be NETGEAR, but if i have 'wireless-essid NETGEAR' it is still no go, my guess is /etc/network/interfaces gets proccessed before ndiswrapper sets it up |
| 04:17.33 | JordiGH | Luke-Jr: Yeah, I'm just having fun now. I wasted some good bandwidth here, though, pity. I'll have to restart with a good netinstall. I'll burn one after I completely hose the system. |
| 04:18.01 | Luke-Jr | JordiGH: heh, I've never actually installed it myself =p |
| 04:18.18 | JordiGH | The kernel's been removed. I'll see about putting in a new kernel after apt finishes its handiwork. |
| 04:18.29 | JordiGH | There's still hope! (Yeah, right.) |
| 04:18.51 | Luke-Jr | just run genkernel! =p |
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| 04:20.47 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: kernel-package > genkernel |
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| 04:21.29 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: one supports --menuconfig, the other doesn't |
| 04:23.07 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: Genkernel doesn't support menuconfig? |
| 04:23.19 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: kernel-package doesn't |
| 04:23.29 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: 98% sure it does... |
| 04:23.30 | Luke-Jr | does it? |
| 04:23.31 | JordiGH | Can't I just aptitude install some kernel image? |
| 04:23.39 | Luke-Jr | I thought it was a binary package |
| 04:23.40 | lunitik | JordiGH: yes |
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| 04:23.59 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: no... kernel-package allows you to build kernels the debian way (tm) |
| 04:24.07 | Luke-Jr | o |
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| 04:24.33 | lunitik | JordiGH: apt-cache search kernel-image if you're using sarge ... else apt-cache search linux-image |
| 04:24.41 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: Gentoo fanboys are cute |
| 04:24.55 | lunitik | Clueless, but cute |
| 04:25.26 | gigglebug | hi |
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| 04:25.32 | peterS | kernel-package doesn't "support" menuconfig, it just works outside it. you're expected to run 'make config' or 'make menuconfig' or whatever you want, _before_ running make-kpkg |
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| 04:28.17 | lunitik | peterS: maybe I'm reading --config incorrectly? |
| 04:28.24 | gigglebug | whenever i try to do an upgrade using synaptic, it tells me i am using the same kernel version, that it is generating a module.dep, but it never finishes. what is causing the problem? |
| 04:29.06 | peterS | lunitik: oh, does make-kpkg wrap make config? I never used that feature |
| 04:29.18 | mrgenixus | does anyone know anything about a problem with evo that cuases it to crash whenever you access the email |
| 04:29.20 | gigglebug | whenever I try to do an upgrade using synaptic, it tells me i am using the same kernel version, that tells me i am using the same kernel version, that is is gerating a module.dep, but it never finishes. what is causing the problem? |
| 04:30.45 | lunitik | peterS: says "Change the type of configure done from the default oldconfig" ... but yes, it does basically wrap around menuconfig if you use '--config menuconfig' |
| 04:31.18 | lunitik | peterS: so you've been adding unnecissary steps all this time :P |
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| 04:31.45 | JordiGH | gigglebug: Doesn't it ask you a question at that point? |
| 04:31.49 | peterS | lunitik: oh, not "all this time" - I used to not use kernel-package at all, then I switched to distro kernels, so I've actually only used it a few times |
| 04:31.58 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: hah, I'm not fan of Gentoo-- especially re kernel handling |
| 04:35.37 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: Debian is made by its users for its users... so most things you can imagine doing, there's probably an automated way of handling it that makes things easier for you... |
| 04:35.54 | lunitik | Similar to why I like KDE :) |
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| 04:37.31 | lunitik | Other unnamed distro's, and desktops, try to guess what its user base would want and need... I don't think that works... you can't target people you don't really understand... also, you tend to be less motivated if you're doing things for others, even if you are getting paid to do it... |
| 04:37.36 | gigglebug | jordigh: no, it just tells me not to reboot until it finishes |
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| 04:42.07 | Vratha | hi; are they initramfs tools completely fucked in debian-testing? |
| 04:42.08 | JordiGH | gigglebug: How long did you wait? And was something actually happening? Did you check, say, with top? |
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| 04:42.51 | evilgeek | Luke-Jr: try removing the Defaults lines. what happens then? (i'm comparing against my own sudoers file here; sudo seems to have a couple of weird bugs.) |
| 04:42.54 | Vratha | my BIOS sees /dev/hda as it should be, and the secondary card sees /dev/hde as it should be... but when booting, busybox and initramfs swap those around.... so i have to manually mount using the swapped names and finish the boot manually |
| 04:43.06 | gigglebug | JordiGH: I waited 30 mins, powered down, tried it again, waited again for an hour and it just said running at the top |
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| 04:43.27 | Vratha | and when i'm inside linux, it sees /dev/hde1 mount on /home, when it's actually /dev/hda1 mounted on /home... even though it's /dev/hde1 for real |
| 04:43.37 | gigglebug | JordiGH: it would not allow me to close it manually, all i could do to close it was to kill synaptic in the terminal |
| 04:43.44 | Vratha | so something got completely fucked up, and i haven't done anything to change the system other than a dist-upgrade, iirc |
| 04:44.02 | Vratha | and this is a fresh install and then dist-upgrade |
| 04:45.27 | Vratha | no one else is having this problem? |
| 04:45.58 | exobyte | I have a dns (sorta) set up (dnsmasq). It looks at my dhcp leases so I can ping a host at- like foo.lan. Is there a way to set isc-dhcp to tell clients to add .lan if the there isn't a domain? |
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| 04:47.21 | Vratha | i mean how could initramfs make an initrd image that sees the devices with the names swapped? |
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| 04:49.29 | JordiGH | Vratha: I've had similar problems when dist-upgrading. :-/ |
| 04:49.49 | Vratha | JordiGH: ok, that's at least somewhat comforting to know it's not just me... in a way |
| 04:50.08 | Vratha | JordiGH: your system seem totally "trashed" now? as in not very useful since you have to manually boot? |
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| 04:56.17 | JordiGH | Vratha: I've had that happen to me. During a massive dist-upgrade kernels got moved around, grub's menu.lst got fudged because it got the wrong names for the hard drives and it dropped me into a busybox. Eventually I figured out what the problem was and corrected the relevant config files. |
| 04:56.52 | JordiGH | No, my current problem is different. I did a dist-upgrade from a 2004 install disc. This naturally leads to tons of problems. I'm still continuing anyways, in wild hopes of getting a working system. |
| 04:57.42 | JordiGH | Right now, I'm reinstalling a new kernel. It got removed halfway along with its modules and some packages later on wanted to write modules only to find that there was no place to put their modules. We'll see what happens. :-/ |
| 04:58.02 | Vratha | well, grub looks to be ok... i mean it boots the kernel from (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz.. with "root=/dev/hda1"... but somewhere when the system is booting up, the kernel itself thinks /dev/hde is /dev/hda and vice-versa... and from there everything is messed up |
| 04:58.44 | JordiGH | Vratha: The command line passed that grub passes to the kernel, is it correct? Check in menu.lst. That was my problem. |
| 04:59.02 | JordiGH | Vratha: grep menu.lst for /dev/hde and make sure that it's not there. :-) |
| 04:59.10 | Vratha | JordiGH: yes, i just said grub looks to be okay, which means menu.lst |
| 04:59.45 | Vratha | in device.map, everything is also correct :-/ |
| 05:00.04 | Vratha | it's the kernel itself that has the problem... or the initrd |
| 05:00.21 | JordiGH | Vratha: Sorry to be insistent, but... what exactly is menu.lst telling the kernel to do? |
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| 05:00.55 | JordiGH | The line where the kernel is loaded. Can you paste it here? |
| 05:00.58 | Vratha | no |
| 05:01.01 | Vratha | i know it's correct |
| 05:01.10 | Vratha | just trust me |
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| 05:01.36 | Vratha | i think i'm just going to downgrade the system to sarge |
| 05:01.40 | Vratha | :-/ |
| 05:01.43 | JordiGH | C'mon. Just paste it. :-) |
| 05:01.59 | Vratha | why? i am able to determine if it's correct or not; the problem doesn't lie in grub |
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| 05:02.28 | Vratha | it's something with the kernel itself or the initrd that is created automatically by apt-get's configuration and calling of initramfs-tools |
| 05:03.04 | JordiGH | Ok, as you wish. It's just that I was rather stubborn myself until someone pointed out that the problem was in in menu.lst after all. But perhaps you are smarter than I was. |
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| 05:03.18 | Vratha | i already told you what the line contained anyway |
| 05:03.34 | Nexus | So I've been trying for a good while now to get udev rules that will rename my eth interfaces, but no such luck. Is there a special name the rules have to have in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory? |
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| 05:05.24 | Vratha | hmm, how do i force a downgrade though? i don't see any docs in 'man apt-get' that describe it |
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| 05:06.01 | JordiGH | Downgrading is difficult and generally impossible. :-/ |
| 05:06.14 | Vratha | alright; well i'll just pull out the CD then |
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| 05:07.46 | Vratha | oh wait, maybe --force-downgrade does it, ala 'man dpkg' |
| 05:08.02 | JordiGH | Don't think so... |
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| 05:10.39 | JordiGH | Alrighty, kernel installed. Let's see if this thing reboots... wish me luck! |
| 05:11.06 | evilgeek | downgrading is not that hard. you set the version to which you want to downgrade to a really high priority in your /etc/apt/preferences, then you apt-get upgrade. |
| 05:12.03 | eps | how does one enable smbfs (for mount -t smbfs) under debian...I have loaded the module smbfs though it still fails and this error shows up in dmesg smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported |
| 05:12.03 | eps | smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported |
| 05:13.01 | eps | didn't have the right package installed, smbfs isn't provided by samba |
| 05:13.26 | Nexus | So if I'm installing an Intel 820 (Pentium D) I should use the AMD64 system? |
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| 05:15.05 | pdbogen | Can anyone help me figure out why osd_cat can't seem to find any fonts? |
| 05:15.07 | Vratha | i820 is the number on those? and those are em64t (or whatever it is)? |
| 05:15.27 | Nexus | Vratha, Yes, it's an EMT64 |
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| 05:15.34 | Vratha | nice |
| 05:15.44 | Vratha | don't know why they're still calling them "Pentium" then :-/ |
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| 05:15.48 | Vratha | i find that name so confusing these days |
| 05:16.10 | Nexus | Yea, I like it so far. Definitely. And the new VIIV crap is rediculous. |
| 05:16.22 | Nexus | Anyway, does anyone know if I use AMD64 for EMT64? |
| 05:16.29 | Vratha | yes, i think you do, Nexus |
| 05:16.54 | Vratha | i think EMT64 is intel's version of the same thing... same instructions and all that |
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| 05:17.14 | Nexus | Ok, sweet. I'll have to download the new etch installer and give things a whirl. |
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| 05:17.28 | eps | how do you find the package maintainer for a package? need to inform the samba package guy that he's got a syntax mistake in smb.conf under etc |
| 05:17.32 | eps | etch* |
| 05:17.39 | Vratha | Nexus: good luck; etch just shit on my system that had a primary IDE controller and secondary IDE controller ;p |
| 05:17.52 | k-google | eps: Listed in the package info: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 05:18.00 | Nexus | Vratha, *laugh* You think it'll be bad for my new system? |
| 05:18.05 | k-google | eps: Or preferably: file a bug |
| 05:18.11 | k-google | !tell eps about bts |
| 05:18.30 | Vratha | Nexus: nah, probably not.. itll probably be fine, but i will say that in the past i've had wonky experience with -testing in general |
| 05:18.34 | eps | k-google it's just a simple + where it shouldn't be...to much hassle to sign up for a bugtracking account |
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| 05:18.45 | k-google | eps: No need to sign up. |
| 05:18.54 | Vratha | k-google: thank you :) |
| 05:18.54 | eps | k-google oh, okay, I'll do it that way then :) |
| 05:18.56 | k-google | eps: aptitude install reportbug; reportbug |
| 05:18.57 | Nexus | Vratha, My server that this is replacing ran testing it's whole life and worked like a charm, minus the retard who is working on the VIM package. |
| 05:19.19 | k-google | !tell eps about reportbug |
| 05:19.52 | k-google | eps: the Debian BTS is fully usable through email, no registration required, there's also a web interface for querying. |
| 05:19.52 | Nexus | I'll really go out on a limb and try the daily amd64 etch netinstall CD. |
| 05:20.09 | Vratha | Nexus: yeah.. well my problems have always stemmed from core packages that the system relies on... right now my BIOS sees the primary and secondary controllers correctly, and so does grub... but then the linux kernel gets them swapped around somehow... but then "mount" still sees them correctly... so something is seriously wrong... and this was a new install with a dist-upgrade |
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| 05:20.31 | Nexus | Vratha, Ouch! that sucks.. |
| 05:20.39 | k-google | eps: advantage to email being that if you're running reportbug, there's a bunch of local information that can be automajickly gathered. |
| 05:20.56 | Vratha | Nexus: yeah :-/ i figured i'd just give gentoo a whirl |
| 05:21.07 | Nexus | Vratha, I LOVE gentoo |
| 05:21.25 | Nexus | Vratha, As a desktop linux version. Don't think it'd scale well to maintain with multiple gentoo servers. |
| 05:21.27 | Vratha | people say they like it a lot... the one time i tried it (a long time ago), it was a bit of a bitch to use |
| 05:21.29 | Nexus | Gentoo for desktop, debian for server. |
| 05:21.37 | Vratha | but i hear it's a lot better now that they have pre-built packages you can use |
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| 05:22.14 | Nexus | Yea, but then why take all the fun out of Gentoo with premade binaries?! ;-) |
| 05:22.28 | eps | thanks k-google |
| 05:22.32 | Vratha | yeah, i was testing debian-testing for home server use... that's the system that has the current problem... so that idea goes out the window :( |
| 05:22.50 | jetscreamer | real men run experimenta |
| 05:22.52 | jetscreamer | l |
| 05:22.56 | Vratha | jetscreamer: haha |
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| 05:23.23 | Vratha | Nexus: well, freebsd was maintainable on lots of systems with a dedicated package builder ;p |
| 05:23.51 | eps | also if any one is having trouble with samba (fresh install) under debian etch current get them to remove the + at the start of the ########## Domains ########### line |
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| 05:24.13 | Nexus | Well, I'm off to bed after spending 1.5 hours trying to figure out why udev wasn't renaming my NIC's... |
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| 05:24.19 | Zap-W | can grub boot from a livecd ISO? |
| 05:24.27 | Nexus | I love udev, but debug is a beast. |
| 05:24.27 | Vratha | good night Nexus :) |
| 05:24.36 | Nexus | Night Vratha! Good luck in your adventures. |
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| 05:25.15 | Vratha | thanks; you too |
| 05:25.40 | jetscreamer | yes grub can |
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| 05:26.04 | jetscreamer | well i might be wurng |
| 05:26.10 | jetscreamer | you could check in #grub |
| 05:26.34 | k-google | jetscreamer: wurng by the neck? |
| 05:26.56 | jetscreamer | wo...wur...ruh-on... wrung |
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| 05:34.57 | ChrisW | hi all, trying to umount a usb disk, I get told the device is busy... how can I make it un-busy so I can unmount it? |
| 05:35.09 | jetscreamer | lsof |
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| 05:35.23 | jetscreamer | then close the app that's accessing it |
| 05:35.45 | jetscreamer | you might want lsof |grep -i cdrom or /dev/hdc or somehting |
| 05:35.50 | jetscreamer | at least | less |
| 05:36.26 | ChrisW | yeah, I see two find's there, but I didn't initiate them :-/ |
| 05:36.34 | ChrisW | (or not that I remember...) |
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| 05:38.15 | jetscreamer | oh usb stick duh |
| 05:38.32 | ChrisW | d'oh |
| 05:38.38 | ChrisW | updatedb |
| 05:38.48 | ChrisW | eesh, that's gonna take a while to run :-/ |
| 05:38.52 | FabParma | How to disable apple talk during the boot? |
| 05:39.27 | k-google | FabParma: man update-rc.d |
| 05:39.50 | FabParma | k-google: thanks |
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| 05:41.24 | digit | hi all |
| 05:42.11 | digit | I have a question about net config |
| 05:42.14 | kr0n | is there any way to find and install mysql 4.1 in unstable again? i did an apt-get upgrade, and it installed mysql 5.0 .. and I have some ISAM's table I just cant convert to myisam in any way, so they are useless. |
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| 05:43.11 | digit | my box has only one net card it should be eth0 but it comes up as eth1 |
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| 05:47.13 | digit | hi all I would like to know how to reconfig my network card |
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| 05:47.28 | digit | anything is helpful |
| 05:48.16 | AstralHead | hm |
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| 05:48.29 | AstralHead | whats in your "/etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 05:48.46 | AstralHead | u configured eth0 or 1 in there? |
| 05:48.54 | k-google | digit: |
| 05:48.59 | digit | eth1 |
| 05:48.59 | AstralHead | <-- brb ;D |
| 05:49.41 | k-google | digit: Also: lspci and see if yo have multiple NICs mentioned. Might be an onboard one. |
| 05:50.03 | digit | the nic is onboard |
| 05:50.37 | digit | it always comes up as eth0 i cant understand it |
| 05:51.04 | snappy | I'm trying to get talkd working and it appears that the inetutils-talkd package populated /etc/inetd.conf and i installed inetutils-inetd and started the server but it doesnt seem to be listening on the 51[78]/udp. I ran inetd in --debug mode and it says cannot find /etc/inetd.d so i created the directroy threw the conf file in there but it still doesnt seem to read and configure the ports for talk. I can't seem to find any documentation for this eith |
| 05:51.05 | k-google | digit: NIC numbering is done by the kernel based on drivers loaded. Do you have any additional NIC drivers loaded? You should *not* see an eth1 unless there is also an eth0 |
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| 05:52.04 | Cooner750 | Does anyone here recommened a specific FTP server for Debian? |
| 05:52.14 | digit | I recall i tried to install another pci card in this thing but it would'nt work |
| 05:52.31 | digit | that is the only thing i can think of' |
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| 05:53.02 | Cooner750 | I could never get pureftpd to work in Ubunt |
| 05:53.03 | Cooner750 | u |
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| 05:53.30 | snappy | heh trying to configure it with that whole /etc/pure-ftpd/ fubar setup is a pain. |
| 05:53.52 | digit | thanks |
| 05:54.13 | Cooner750 | I always install pureftpadmin and get the problem about the passwords file not being created |
| 05:54.13 | digit | where would the driver files be |
| 05:54.23 | digit | etc |
| 05:54.38 | snappy | Cooner750: man pure-pw |
| 05:55.08 | r3c4ll | somebody has configured sql-ledger? |
| 05:55.20 | rhalff | snappy, maybe you're running xinitd ? |
| 05:55.41 | rhalff | uhm s/nit/net/g |
| 05:55.48 | snappy | rhalff: nah GNU inetutils-inetd |
| 05:55.50 | digit | thanks i'll look. |
| 05:55.53 | snappy | maybe is hould run xinetd though |
| 05:55.59 | k-google | r3c4ll: Just ask. Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 05:56.08 | snappy | let me give that a whirl. |
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| 05:57.13 | r3c4ll | snappy, my english is too bad, it mean yes? |
| 05:57.55 | r3c4ll | k-google, i want do step by step |
| 05:58.42 | k-google | r3c4ll: This may not be the right place to ask. I'd suggest you either 1: ask your question or 2: try the install and ask questions on any issues found here. |
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| 06:01.03 | udos | Everyone be patient please. I have IT looking into my port-flapping issues. |
| 06:01.18 | k-google | r3c4ll: Or you might be better off taking this to a sql-ledger specific discussion. |
| 06:01.21 | k-google | r3... which is probably tgoing to be mailing list not IRC. |
| 06:01.30 | uwe | in what package can i find the banner command? |
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| 06:01.55 | k-google | uwe: bsd games IIRC. |
| 06:02.16 | k-google | uwe: apt-cache search / auto-apt search. /msg dpkg search |
| 06:02.39 | anapivirtua | Plop all. |
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| 06:02.51 | k-google | uwe: bsdmainutils |
| 06:03.02 | uwe | k-google, thank you |
| 06:03.05 | Vratha | mmm, bsd |
| 06:03.07 | k-google | uwe: ... and it installs under /usr/games. Consider figlet instead. |
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| 06:03.23 | k-google | Vratha: Got Blotter? |
| 06:03.23 | Edgardoweb | hello |
| 06:03.35 | uwe | figlet ... hmmm |
| 06:03.43 | Vratha | no |
| 06:03.45 | Edgardoweb | how are you |
| 06:03.45 | dpkg | mas o menos, Edgardoweb |
| 06:03.48 | evilgeek | what's wrong with something installing under /usr/games? |
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| 06:04.04 | k-google | evilgeek: Nothing, other than it may not be on your $PATH. |
| 06:04.30 | Edgardoweb | dpkg: fine |
| 06:04.41 | evilgeek | shrug. banner seems about as essential as nethack to me. |
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| 06:04.54 | uwe | ah k-google , thanks again, it was already installed, but i didnt look into /usr/games :) |
| 06:04.58 | evilgeek | (and isn't /usr/games in the default path for all nonroot users on debian systems?) |
| 06:04.59 | nile | uwe, bsdmainutils |
| 06:04.59 | nile | k-google, *wink* |
| 06:05.21 | evilgeek | evidently not. |
| 06:05.21 | k-google | evilgeek: NFC. It's on mine, but I've got a long-tweaked environment. |
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| 06:06.32 | k-google | evilgeek: Not finding where PATH is set. I think in init, /bin:/usr/bin by default for non-root |
| 06:07.49 | digit | k-google |
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| 06:08.11 | digit | I looked in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:08.21 | Zap-W | can grub boot from a livecd ISO? |
| 06:08.29 | digit | it says eth1 |
| 06:08.57 | digit | iface rth1 static |
| 06:09.03 | Cooner750 | I need to install MySQL, Apache, PHP, and Java all on my machine. What is the easiest way to get at least Apache, MySQL, and PHP all working? |
| 06:09.54 | k-google | Zap-W: Possibly by chainloading. ISOLINUX (a variant on the SYSLINUX bootp stuff) is the usual mechnaims. |
| 06:10.03 | k-google | Cooner750: Installing them is a good start. |
| 06:10.18 | Cooner750 | Should I use this? http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp?highlight=%28lamp%29 |
| 06:10.55 | Edgardoweb | bye |
| 06:10.55 | k-google | digit: What you call it really doesn't matter. It's what it exposes as. What's "ifconfig eth0" tell you? Or "lspci", as I asked you, oh, about 15 minutes ago, or 'lsmod'. You've got multiple NIC drivers loaded. Lose one. |
| 06:11.21 | Cooner750 | The only reason I'd really need Java would be so Wildfire could run |
| 06:11.27 | k-google | Cooner750: Sure. |
| 06:11.34 | k-google | Java's a bit of a pita. |
| 06:11.52 | Cooner750 | How is it so easy to install in Ubuntu but so hard in Debian itself? |
| 06:12.09 | digit | thanks of course how is the question |
| 06:12.33 | Vratha | because ubuntu doesn't mind putting proprietary shit in their package repo i guess |
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| 06:12.43 | Vratha | different philosophies |
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| 06:15.07 | Coweater | debian isn't hard to install |
| 06:15.13 | Coweater | you're being silly |
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| 06:16.00 | Cooner750 | In Ubuntu it says to install the "sun-java5-bin" package, after enabling extra repositories in Synaptic you can do apt-get install sun-java5-bin |
| 06:16.25 | farous | Cooner750: sun-java is in debian unstable |
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| 06:16.46 | Cooner750 | It works in Ubuntu, can I install it that way in Debian? |
| 06:17.09 | Cooner750 | I assume I'll have to edit sources.list? |
| 06:17.49 | farous | Cooner750: i am running sid here and had it installed no problem do not know if it will work with sarge or not |
| 06:18.01 | farous | check backports if you are running sarge |
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| 06:19.06 | Cooner750 | The Ubuntuguide.org says replace everything in the sources.list default in Ubuntu with this: http://pastebin.ca/92106 |
| 06:19.18 | k-google | CrazyEcrThe problem with java is Sun's licensing. /msg dpkg java and follow the ihints. |
| 06:19.36 | Cooner750 | Which one of those contains the sun-java5-bin package I dont know |
| 06:19.59 | streuner | Cooner750: you are OT |
| 06:20.22 | farous | this is debian room you know if you are running ubuntu ask in ubuntu room |
| 06:21.00 | streuner | install debian and we can help |
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| 06:21.26 | Cooner750 | I have |
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| 06:21.57 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:22.25 | GooooN | hi : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2340333#post2340333 --can someone help me |
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| 06:23.23 | GooooN | i need help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2340333#post2340333 |
| 06:23.33 | k-google | CrazyEddy: And don't askm me for spe |
| 06:23.58 | k-google | CrazyEddy: ... specifics as the procedure changes regularly. Supposedly Sun's making this easier but I'm not holdin my breath. |
| 06:24.37 | sscanf | I think that I will call it a day |
| 06:24.47 | Vratha | no! |
| 06:24.54 | Vratha | get back here sscanf and get me some strings! |
| 06:24.56 | jbrimble | What does # apt-get dist-upgrade do? and should I use it? |
| 06:25.07 | k-google | jbrimble: what does 'man apt-get' do? |
| 06:25.23 | jbrimble | I know it's for the distro upgrade. But is it necessary? |
| 06:25.36 | roxy_ | I got an old harddrive I want to use. Is there a debian tool that can do everything for me or should I : 1 use mkfs.ext3 on the drive , 2 edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 06:25.40 | sscanf | SEGFAULT: sscanf buffer underrun: require restart |
| 06:25.48 | ahewitt1 | hi guys, I am playing around with am-utils for use with NFS mounts, and I have it all working, but I am having 1 issue...I want to mount the users homedirs into /home/users/, and I have the amd.conf setup with a [/home] map point and a map file which uses users as its mount....this is fine, except that /home/users overwrites any directories in the /home directory |
| 06:26.02 | Vratha | damn it sscanf! your damn buffer problems have ruined me again! |
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| 06:26.20 | k-google | jbrimble: a dist-upgrade can install/remove packages. A simple 'upgrade' won't. I generally run dist-upgrade. |
| 06:26.29 | sscanf | :) |
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| 06:26.46 | k-google | ahewitt1: You can't mount over an existing directory tree. |
| 06:27.13 | ahewitt1 | ;) that makes perfect sense :S |
| 06:27.15 | k-google | ahewitt1: The directories are still there, just not accessible until you umount your NFS share. |
| 06:27.16 | ahewitt1 | cheers |
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| 06:44.04 | jbrimble | Where can I read about connecting to a HP Printer on a Windows PC for printing? |
| 06:44.29 | litage | jbrimble: on hp.com? |
| 06:44.37 | cahoot | jbrimble: linuxprinting.org |
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| 06:44.53 | jbrimble | thanks cahoot |
| 06:45.10 | litage | jbrimble: also check out the "hplip" project on sourceforge |
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| 06:45.17 | k-google | jbrimble: Prolly want to use samba for that? |
| 06:45.46 | litage | as of a few days ago, ``apt-get update'' now outputs lines like this. what do they mean?: Get: 24 2006-07-17-1328.22.pdiff [10.5kB] |
| 06:46.30 | snappy | i think it stores the updates/diff of new packages, rather than downloads a whole new package for each minor version. |
| 06:46.49 | k-google | litage: What snappy said. |
| 06:47.26 | litage | snappy, k-google: why did this only start occuring a few days ago? |
| 06:47.27 | k-google | litage: ... though it's the package lists, not the packages, which are diffed. |
| 06:47.38 | k-google | litage: /msg dpkg pdiff |
| 06:47.47 | litage | thanks |
| 06:47.51 | k-google | litage: Recent change. Welcome to testing/unstable. |
| 06:48.51 | litage | thanks guys |
| 06:49.14 | jbrimble | Okay, so I've got the printer dialog up.. When I enter the host, should I put "/home/desktoppc/" or is that not the right format (for the windows box) |
| 06:49.28 | jbrimble | home is the workgroup |
| 06:49.39 | k-google | jbrimble: smb://workgroup/printer |
| 06:49.44 | section31 | is thee a way i can install apache 2.2 with apt-get...the latest package avaiable is 2.0.5 |
| 06:50.13 | jbrimble | k-google: shouldn't it be smb://workgroup/machine/printer ? |
| 06:50.22 | k-google | section31: Which Debian release? Testing, Stable, Unstable ? |
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| 06:50.54 | section31 | k-google, stable |
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| 06:53.45 | predder | k-google, any idea why when I apt-get update it appears to be downloading the same file multiple times? Most of the pdiff's are repeated 3 times |
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| 06:57.06 | k-google | jbrimble: FIIC. RTFM, I'm quioting from memory. |
| 06:57.06 | k-google | jbIf you're using CUPS, there's an extensive documentation resource linked right off the configurator. http://localhost:631/ |
| 06:57.09 | cydork | predeer: when was the last time you did a update, your answer lies there :) |
| 06:57.54 | k-google | $SLEEP o'clock. |
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| 07:00.44 | m0dY | dpkg: mksock |
| 07:00.50 | m0dY | !mksock |
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| 07:01.23 | predder | cydork, judging by the pdiff's i last updated 4-7 :P That doesnt explain why the *same* pdiff files are being downloaded 3 times? |
| 07:01.27 | m0dY | any idea how to get the mksock bianry in debian ?! |
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| 07:01.56 | predder | oh wait.. perhaps it downloads it from each repository I have in my sources.list? |
| 07:02.07 | Gumby | m0dY: install apt-file and then apt-file search mksock or alternately go to packages.debian.org and do a search for it |
| 07:02.38 | m0dY | apt-file never works with me |
| 07:02.52 | m0dY | You have searched for packages that names contain mksock in suite(s) stable, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 07:02.53 | m0dY | Can't find that package, at least not in that suite and on that architecture. |
| 07:02.58 | m0dY | :/ |
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| 07:03.37 | nuke | how can i remotely run scripts on another comp? |
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| 07:03.57 | waiting | hello #debian |
| 07:04.47 | Gumby | dont search for a package if you are searching for a binary |
| 07:05.26 | m0dY | well, it's supposed to be in the coreutils pkg although for no reason i couldn't find it any any debian release |
| 07:05.28 | cydork | predeer: yep that is correct. |
| 07:05.44 | Gumby | and if apt-file search doesnt return anything then there probably isnt a package in the repos you have enabled that contain what you are looking for |
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| 07:06.14 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: hey, thanks for the help-- finally figured it out |
| 07:06.15 | insmod | nuke: ssh to the computer |
| 07:06.33 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: apparently Debian's sudo by default *never* expires sudo sessions |
| 07:06.36 | Luke-Jr | even if -k is used |
| 07:06.38 | m0dY | dpkg -S mksock |
| 07:06.42 | m0dY | dpkg: *mksock* not found. |
| 07:06.43 | nuke | insmod: cant a script on comp1 make a scrit on comp2 run? |
| 07:06.47 | m0dY | isn't this weired ! |
| 07:06.52 | Gumby | m0dY: not really |
| 07:06.56 | Luke-Jr | evilgeek: so I had to set the normally-default timeout in my sudoers config |
| 07:06.57 | m0dY | oh yeah |
| 07:07.11 | m0dY | then how should i be getting to run mysqld :) |
| 07:07.14 | insmod | nuke: not unless they are connected through a port |
| 07:07.26 | m0dY | it need a unix socket to start it's daemin |
| 07:07.29 | m0dY | *daemon |
| 07:07.53 | Gumby | m0dY: lmao |
| 07:08.30 | Gumby | m0dY: check to see that mysqls isnt already running. if the socket is already being used then it cant be connected to |
| 07:08.36 | Gumby | mysqld |
| 07:08.55 | m0dY | Gumby: the socket is never created |
| 07:09.05 | m0dY | how should it be created without an mksock binary |
| 07:09.08 | m0dY | !?!! |
| 07:09.21 | Gumby | obviously debian doesnt need/have it so it uses something else |
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| 07:09.42 | m0dY | mmm |
| 07:09.47 | m0dY | like what! |
| 07:09.50 | Gumby | I dont know enough about sockets to say what exactly. but it doesnt seem like rocket science to me |
| 07:10.30 | Gumby | Ive never had to do anything with sockets yet I seem to run mysql and other services without any issues |
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| 07:10.34 | m0dY | neither to me but it's a logical expection |
| 07:10.43 | m0dY | mmm |
| 07:10.52 | m0dY | mysql installed using apt-get!? |
| 07:10.56 | Gumby | yes |
| 07:10.57 | m0dY | no doubt |
| 07:11.14 | m0dY | well, im workin from src pkg |
| 07:11.21 | Gumby | why? |
| 07:11.31 | Guerin | m0dY: then this is not a debian problem |
| 07:11.48 | m0dY | wanna have a specific options in compiling |
| 07:12.21 | m0dY | why! everything is smooth till it gets to the mysql.sock file which couldn't be created |
| 07:13.05 | Gumby | what user does mysqld run as? |
| 07:13.16 | m0dY | mysql |
| 07:13.24 | m0dY | a separate user i did created |
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| 07:13.43 | Gumby | and who owns the directory that mysql.sock is being created in? |
| 07:13.45 | m0dY | is this somehow important! |
| 07:13.48 | Gumby | very |
| 07:13.59 | m0dY | mmm |
| 07:14.10 | m0dY | may be u solved the dilema :) |
| 07:14.34 | Gumby | if you are gonna bitch about problems that are not even debian specific dont have the odasity to ask if what a person is asking you is relevant or not. |
| 07:14.45 | m0dY | although the dir mysql.sock should be in is 777 |
| 07:15.10 | Gumby | my apologies |
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| 07:15.32 | m0dY | is this how this room is being run.. |
| 07:15.43 | m0dY | nvm |
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| 07:17.22 | Gumby | m0dY: if ./configure went without a hitch then obviously not having mksock isnt an issue |
| 07:18.11 | Gumby | if it did go without a hitch and it does HAVE to have mksock then I say use a different source package cause the person who made that one didnt write it very well |
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| 07:19.05 | jens | Hi. I've just compiled a 2.4 kernel (the non-debian way), but after my make, there is no bzImage in arch/i386/boot/ |
| 07:19.12 | m0dY | will start digging through configure |
| 07:19.13 | jens | I'm used to compiling 2.6 kernels, but are 2.4 kernels any different as to the binary's whereabouts? |
| 07:19.19 | waiting | jens: do make bzImage |
| 07:19.23 | jens | Ah, thanks |
| 07:19.26 | Gumby | jens: you have to... :) |
| 07:19.34 | waiting | jens: and make modules |
| 07:19.40 | jens | I did make modules |
| 07:19.42 | waiting | jens: separate target |
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| 07:19.45 | waiting | jens: ok |
| 07:19.49 | Gumby | and dont forget mkinitrd if you need one |
| 07:19.55 | jens | I do |
| 07:19.57 | jens | And thanks ;) |
| 07:20.09 | jens | sorry, but I'm a little new to 2.4 kernels |
| 07:20.27 | Gumby | cant they be done "the debian way" also? |
| 07:20.27 | waiting | jens: I personally don't use them anymore |
| 07:20.42 | jens | I don't have space for a 2.6'er |
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| 07:21.08 | waiting | jens: you can configure 2.6 for small systems |
| 07:21.11 | jens | My harddisk kind of crashed, and the only harddisk I had had a capacity of 5 gigabytes (it's a laptop) |
| 07:21.17 | waiting | jens: ohw |
| 07:21.22 | jens | waiting, I've got like 100MB free |
| 07:21.31 | waiting | jens: that's very little .) |
| 07:21.39 | jens | Yes. Indeed,. |
| 07:21.49 | waiting | I had a 100MB harddisk once |
| 07:21.52 | Gumby | www.ebay.com :) |
| 07:21.52 | waiting | ;D |
| 07:22.02 | jens | The first thing I'm going to do when I get my paycheck, is to buy a 60GB hard drive for it |
| 07:22.14 | jens | My life is too short for too little space |
| 07:22.16 | Gumby | make 100% sure its compatible |
| 07:22.29 | Gumby | not to mention the bios will recognize it |
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| 07:22.53 | anders_ | hello |
| 07:23.04 | jens | The Dell guy said I could buy any hard drive, and if the BIOS didn't recognize it, I could flash it |
| 07:23.11 | waiting | jep sucks nothing more than buying specialized harddrive (2,5") and then it doesnt run |
| 07:23.17 | anders_ | how do i kill hole X? |
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| 07:23.36 | liable | stop the gdm |
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| 07:23.44 | waiting | jens: I would not trust him to the end :) |
| 07:23.49 | jens | ;) |
| 07:24.01 | jens | If it doesn't work, I've got other uses for it |
| 07:24.06 | Gumby | anders_: /etc/init.d/(g)dm stop |
| 07:24.10 | jens | I've always wanted a settopbox |
| 07:24.11 | Gumby | anders_: asuming you use gdm |
| 07:24.17 | anders_ | i use xfce4 |
| 07:24.21 | liable | as far as i heard, it seems only thinkpads are cursed with that problem |
| 07:24.24 | anders_ | but its not starting, an ugly debian thing starts.. |
| 07:24.35 | anders_ | How do i kill that |
| 07:24.36 | waiting | 8)) |
| 07:24.56 | liable | hah, thats prolly xdm, log in, and you'll be in xfce |
| 07:25.06 | Gumby | anders_: depends on what that "ugly debian thing" is |
| 07:25.06 | Gumby | hehe |
| 07:25.30 | liable | or the ugly debian thing might *be* xfce :P |
| 07:25.31 | Gumby | is it a desktop or a login manager? |
| 07:25.32 | jens | anders_, /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 07:25.38 | waiting | anders_: make a patch for it that makes it more beautiful :)) |
| 07:25.38 | Gumby | liable: hehe |
| 07:25.56 | anders_ | ok |
| 07:25.58 | lunitik | waiting: is it even possible to make XDM non-ugly? |
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| 07:26.06 | Vratha | is there a way to install a specific package from apt-get without having debian try to configure it right after installation? |
| 07:26.07 | jens | Yes, lunitik |
| 07:26.11 | jens | art.gnome.org |
| 07:26.11 | anders_ | how do i configurate so xfce4 starts automatlicy when the computer starts?? |
| 07:26.15 | Vratha | because for this one package, i'd like to do only manual configuration |
| 07:26.19 | jens | anders_, rc-update add xdm default |
| 07:26.22 | lunitik | jens: GDM != XDM |
| 07:26.25 | nuke | where can i get a list for the 'if' bash comands like 'less than' and other comparators? |
| 07:26.31 | liable | lunitik: i have seen a couple of piccies of a nice xdm, dunno how much work was involved though :) |
| 07:26.33 | jens | lunitik, wow, wow, wow |
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| 07:26.37 | lunitik | jens: thats like saying "to make GDM pretty, use KDM themes" |
| 07:26.44 | Gumby | anders_: install something like gdm or kdm and then run its config and have it auto log you in |
| 07:26.52 | lunitik | Actually I think thats possible, bad example |
| 07:27.03 | anders_ | Gumby: doesnt XDM supports? |
| 07:27.15 | anders_ | brb |
| 07:27.23 | Gumby | anders_: I have no idea if xdm supports auto login... I doubt it.... and he leaves |
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| 07:27.33 | anders_ | hoho again |
| 07:27.35 | anders_ | :P |
| 07:27.35 | Gumby | anders_: I have no idea if xdm supports auto login... I doubt it as its pretty basic |
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| 07:27.44 | ice_1963 | i like jest startx :) |
| 07:27.48 | lunitik | Ahh, no, GDM can't use KDM themes, but KDM can use GDM themes... just to clear that up... |
| 07:27.49 | anders_ | Gumby: ok, becouse an ugly debain meny comes up :D |
| 07:27.56 | lunitik | So my example stands... or something :D |
| 07:28.10 | junaedi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.15 | liable | anders_: didnt someone tell you top install gdm last night? |
| 07:28.24 | cydork | lunitik: :) |
| 07:28.43 | anders_ | why i need gdm.. |
| 07:28.59 | Gumby | anders_: it handles autologin nicely |
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| 07:29.09 | anders_ | kk |
| 07:29.12 | anders_ | just download gdm? :P |
| 07:29.16 | lunitik | anders_: so you don't have that "ugly debian thing" |
| 07:29.24 | liable | and its purty.. |
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| 07:29.31 | anders_ | apt-get install gdm ? |
| 07:29.34 | ice_1963 | if was me i'd jest remove it |
| 07:29.40 | lunitik | anders_: yes |
| 07:29.46 | waiting | gdm is kinda fine, easily themable, too |
| 07:29.49 | lunitik | anders_: you really ought to have that at least down by now |
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| 07:30.03 | Gumby | there should be an autologin package |
| 07:30.04 | liable | ice_1963: omfg, and you reckon he will think a text login is pretty!! :P |
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| 07:30.31 | ice_1963 | well i do |
| 07:30.54 | waiting | and nothing like a text login using a parallel line printer :)) |
| 07:31.07 | liable | lunitik: heh |
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| 07:31.13 | jeramy | does anyone know what xorg package(s) i need for superkaramba? |
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| 07:31.29 | lunitik | jeramy: just aptitude install superkaramba ? |
| 07:31.47 | jeramy | i tried. its not available |
| 07:32.02 | lunitik | !info superkaramba sarge |
| 07:32.16 | streuner | jeramy: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:32.27 | rshakin | hey anyone use awstats here |
| 07:32.34 | lunitik | jeramy: ahh... so it doesn't... umm... backports? |
| 07:32.42 | streuner | !tell rshakin about ask |
| 07:32.46 | liable | !anyone use awstats? |
| 07:32.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses awstats, not even the people who use it. |
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| 07:33.20 | jens | mkinitrd returns: /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:33.36 | jeramy | it says "ii libc6 2.3.2.dsl-22sa GNU C Library: Shared Libraries and Timezone" |
| 07:33.47 | streuner | jens: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:34.05 | streuner | jeramy: what does README say about? |
| 07:34.06 | racarter | i have a question |
| 07:34.08 | racarter | i installed gnome using apt-get but there was some packages that were "recommended".. how do I view these recommended packages after I installed the main one? |
| 07:34.23 | jeramy | lunitik: i checked backports but i'm not sure which package i need. |
| 07:34.24 | Gumby | jens: apt-file search libdl.so.2 (after installing apt-file) |
| 07:34.26 | liable | racarter: apt-cache show foo |
| 07:34.27 | streuner | apt-get install <package> |
| 07:34.32 | racarter | thanks |
| 07:34.38 | Gumby | jens: libc6 is the answer |
| 07:34.57 | rshakin | wow... so much usefull information all at once |
| 07:35.23 | jeramy | streuner: i'm sorry, i'm new to linux, which README are you talking about? |
| 07:35.39 | streuner | jeramy: in the source |
| 07:35.51 | junaedi | jeramy: how about 'apt-get update' |
| 07:36.06 | junaedi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.18 | jeramy | oh, it doesn't provide anything useful, just how to compile. i've followed those instructions |
| 07:36.33 | jeramy | and get stuck at "cannot find X include..." |
| 07:36.36 | junaedi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.59 | jeramy | i've tried 'apt-get update' and no luck. |
| 07:37.08 | jens | Thanks Gumby |
| 07:37.11 | junaedi | jeramy: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 07:37.15 | lunitik | jeramy: not sure how reliable it'd be but this repository has superkaramba (3.5.3) ... maybe not best idea though due to rest of KDE, Firefox amoungst other thigns |
| 07:37.17 | Gumby | jens: np, good luck |
| 07:37.21 | jens | THank you |
| 07:37.23 | jeramy | let me check... |
| 07:37.23 | lunitik | wow.... I suck at typing right now |
| 07:37.33 | rshakin | ok then lets try this again... shall we i am having a permission problem while trying to access awstats... i am not sure where to begin... You don't have permission to access /awstats/awstats.pl on this |
| 07:37.33 | rshakin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.49 | lunitik | jeramy: uhh... I forgot the link... oops: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=superkaramba&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386 |
| 07:37.59 | junaedi | jeramy: maybe you can use something like 'adesklets' |
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| 07:38.28 | lunitik | junaedi: he wants superkaramba... its not in sarge... please stop not helping, thanks |
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| 07:38.38 | jeramy | i have a main debian stable site and backports in /etc/apt/sources |
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| 07:39.05 | lunitik | jeramy: umm, ok... that link points to superkaramba compiled for sarge |
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| 07:39.23 | junaedi | lunitik: thanks for the reminder, didn't know that |
| 07:39.32 | lunitik | jeramy: like I said, maybe not best option... for a desktop, I would probably recommend just dist-upgrading to etch |
| 07:39.45 | streuner | rshakin: well, what does ls -l /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl say? |
| 07:40.05 | jeramy | okay, i'll try the link. |
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| 07:40.21 | nuke | whats wrong with the syntax of this line? "if [ $uid -gt 500 && $uid -lt 65530 && $pat -ne "home1" ];" |
| 07:40.50 | lunitik | jeramy: the link will basically get you a modern desktop, with sarge's base system... makes no sense... if you want such things... just /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 07:40.56 | junaedi | jeramy & lunitik: I just want to say that the superkaramba can be substituted by adesklets or gdesklets, maybe |
| 07:40.59 | nuke | it says line 8: [: missing `]' |
| 07:41.30 | rshakin | rshakin@rubicon # ls -l /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl |
| 07:41.30 | rshakin | Angels2. /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl: No such file or directory |
| 07:41.56 | lunitik | junaedi: no, it can't... superkaramba uses kdesktop ... gdesklets uses libgnome-canvas or whatever |
| 07:41.57 | streuner | apt-get install awstats |
| 07:42.19 | lunitik | junaedi: unless you know how to have more than one program control the desktop? |
| 07:42.19 | jeramy | lunitik: thanks for the help, i'll try to get this working. |
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| 07:42.48 | jens | Gumby, that made it kind of worse |
| 07:42.57 | jens | 09:41:19 buller linux-2.4.32 # mkinitrd -o initrd-2.4.32 |
| 07:42.57 | jens | /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:42.57 | jens | grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:42.57 | jens | sort: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 07:43.03 | racarter | i installed xboard and gnuchess.. 1. why doesn't this show up in the gnome menu and 2. how come it says it can't open display when I try to run xboard? |
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| 07:43.32 | racarter | xboard opened the display before but said it couldn't find gnuchess |
| 07:44.30 | jens | Gumby? |
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| 07:47.29 | cahoot | racarter: you don't try as a different user than the one starting X? |
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| 07:49.06 | racarter | no.. right now it is only two users, me and root |
| 07:50.00 | cydork | racarer: and you tried to run xboard as root right?? |
| 07:51.14 | racarter | i put xboard on the menu with alacarte and it seems to work.. but not eboard now |
| 07:51.18 | cahoot | racarter: re the first question: doesn't show up under Debian->games? |
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| 07:51.23 | racarter | why do I have to be root to play chess |
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| 07:51.50 | streuner | NO users should play chess? :-) |
| 07:51.58 | racarter | yes.. that's the first question.. it didn't show up there until I put it there |
| 07:52.52 | streuner | what happens if you run the command in cli? |
| 07:53.35 | rshakin | ok figured it out the /usr/local/awstats was set to no execute for some reason |
| 07:53.54 | rshakin | sorry for stupid questions |
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| 07:55.42 | streuner | racarter: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:56.29 | section31 | how can i find a list of installed packages via apt-get |
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| 07:56.59 | racarter | 2.3.6-15 |
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| 07:57.23 | streuner | racarter: did you read /usr/share/doc/eboard ? |
| 07:57.41 | streuner | section31: dpkg -l |
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| 07:58.14 | vick | Can i make dhcpd instead of working for only some MAC addresses ? |
| 07:58.37 | vick | ie. if the request for a dhcpd is not from these MAC address then it would ignore the request completely. |
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| 07:59.03 | streuner | For help setting up associated programs (chess engines, timestamping, etc.) see the documentation in /usr/share/doc/eboard |
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| 07:59.30 | litage | is it possible to create, format, mount and use a new partition without rebooting? |
| 07:59.48 | streuner | sure |
| 07:59.49 | vick | streuner: me ? |
| 07:59.53 | streuner | no |
| 07:59.56 | grendal_prime | this is driving me fkn crazy |
| 08:00.01 | vick | oh ok. |
| 08:00.06 | grendal_prime | xorg and i810 |
| 08:00.24 | streuner | litage: create the FS run 'mount -a', done. |
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| 08:01.12 | streuner | litage: you need to make an entry in /etc/fstab too |
| 08:01.31 | streuner | litage: man fstab, man mount |
| 08:01.32 | litage | streuner: in the past after i've created and formatted a new partition and added it to /etc/fstab, mount has complained that it wasn't able to mount the partition, and i was only able to mount it after rebooting |
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| 08:02.06 | streuner | litage: any error? |
| 08:02.26 | streuner | litage: what was the error when you tried to mount the partition? |
| 08:02.31 | litage | streuner: it was several months ago that this occured. i'm afraid i can't remember the error |
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| 08:02.46 | streuner | anyway, no need to reboot |
| 08:03.10 | litage | thanks |
| 08:04.23 | waiting | ugh |
| 08:04.25 | grendal_prime | has anyone got a work around for this? |
| 08:04.27 | grendal_prime | (EE) I810(0): [dri] I830DRIScreenInit failed because of a version mismatch. |
| 08:04.27 | grendal_prime | [dri] i915 kernel module version is 1.1.0 but version 1.4 or greater is needed. |
| 08:04.27 | grendal_prime | [dri] Disabling DRI. |
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| 08:04.39 | waiting | is the adverb for "linear" "linearily" or "linearly" (or something else)? |
| 08:05.09 | streuner | dict.leo.org |
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| 08:05.58 | waiting | streuner: thy |
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| 08:06.13 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 08:07.43 | berkes | is anyone else running libapache2-svn on debian? |
| 08:07.54 | berkes | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.05 | berkes | well, purged even, not just removed |
| 08:10.01 | vick | How do i know where the configuration files are for a program ? (using dpkg or something) |
| 08:10.31 | liable | !conflicts libapache3-svn |
| 08:10.37 | snappy | dpkg -S might tell you sometimes. |
| 08:10.37 | dpkg | Package: might tell you sometimes.: Status: install ok installed |
| 08:10.49 | lunitik | vick: usually 'dpkg -L package | grep etc' ... although 'dpkg -L package' would be more complete |
| 08:11.20 | snappy | er whoops, -L |
| 08:11.23 | lunitik | snappy: that tells you where files come from... not where a package put its configuration files |
| 08:11.25 | snappy | what lunitik said. |
| 08:11.30 | grendal_prime | i hate xorg |
| 08:11.32 | snappy | heh yeah, i keep getting those confused :P |
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| 08:12.10 | lunitik | snappy: Source ... Locations |
| 08:12.58 | lunitik | grendal_prime: neat? |
| 08:13.02 | snappy | makes sense, thanks |
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| 08:13.29 | anders_ | if i got xdm/gdm on xfce will gdm start first? |
| 08:13.56 | lunitik | anders_: every tried Xubuntu? |
| 08:14.00 | lunitik | ever* |
| 08:14.07 | berkes | liable: afaikl ist not a conflict. The message is «Purging orphan files...» |
| 08:14.12 | berkes | Removing libapache2-svn ... |
| 08:14.14 | lunitik | anders_: its XFce with Ubuntu... just what you want |
| 08:14.23 | lunitik | anders_: hurry up, go download it! |
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| 08:15.03 | liable | berkes: can you paste the output when it gets removed? |
| 08:15.10 | liable | from when* |
| 08:15.17 | jeramy | lunitik: just wanted to let you know i got superkaramba installed and working. |
| 08:15.17 | liable | berkes: on a pastebot |
| 08:15.24 | cydork | ander_: try linspire too :P |
| 08:15.24 | anders_ | lunitik: iam using debian |
| 08:15.25 | anders_ | ffs |
| 08:15.29 | grendal_prime | lunitik, xorg dri is not working with my video card |
| 08:15.33 | grendal_prime | it sucks assl |
| 08:15.33 | lunitik | berkes: install explicitly... you're using aptitude ... its a feature... although annoying sometimes |
| 08:15.34 | jeramy | i had a bad mirror listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:16.08 | lunitik | berkes: so 'aptitude install libapache-svn && aptitude upgrade' |
| 08:16.14 | driller- | whats better? woodcrest or conroe? |
| 08:16.14 | jeramy | lunitik: thanks again for your help. |
| 08:16.18 | lunitik | berkes: then it will stop trying to remove it |
| 08:16.53 | vick | dpkg -L dhcpd doesn't give me anything |
| 08:16.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching dhcpd doesn't give me anything |
| 08:16.57 | vick | although i have dhcpd installed here |
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| 08:17.01 | berkes | lunitik: liable the fact that I use system-upgrade might have to do with it too. |
| 08:17.16 | lunitik | berkes: its because you're using aptitude ... see above, thank you |
| 08:17.19 | berkes | though afaik that only calls the right commands in the correct order |
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| 08:17.38 | berkes | lunitik: yes. I am trying that as we speak |
| 08:17.47 | lunitik | berkes: thank you |
| 08:17.57 | berkes | no. Thank /you/ :) |
| 08:18.03 | Vratha | *sigh* .. anyone else here using heimdal-kdc on debian-sarge? i have the proper DNS entries and all that junk, but when i do "kadmin -l" and add the "root" principal and then do "kinit root" and enter the correct password, i get a ticket with a lifetime of 1 week and an error message saying "kinit: converting creds: Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm" |
| 08:18.20 | Vratha | it means it's trying to convert krb5 to krb4, which i do not want; know how to fix that? |
| 08:18.20 | liable | aptitude should only remove it, if it removes something that installed it as a depends |
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| 08:18.47 | lunitik | berkes: you're welcome... yeah... aptitude tries to keep your system clean... libapache-svn was installed as a dependency, nothing depends on it anymore, so it wants to clean it up... so you have to tell it now to |
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| 08:18.58 | liable | vick: dpkg -l |grep dhcp |
| 08:19.11 | driller- | whats better? woodcrest or conroe? |
| 08:19.16 | lunitik | liable: no... if a new version of package stops depending on something, it will remove the unneeded package also |
| 08:19.24 | litage | liable: ``dpkg -l '*dhcp*' is probably better =P |
| 08:19.28 | lunitik | !whats better |
| 08:19.37 | lunitik | !better |
| 08:19.38 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 08:20.00 | liable | wow, been told twice in a row :( .. :P |
| 08:20.02 | Vratha | oh, sweet :) i changed my google query by one word and found the answer right away |
| 08:20.10 | berkes | liable: and this is the only one it removes. http://pastie.caboo.se/5169 |
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| 08:20.53 | h725 | can anyone tell me what i have to do to make rdate run as a cronjob besides adding it to crontab? - because the command shows up in the syslog but the clock is not adjusted?! |
| 08:21.01 | liable | berkes: what distro are you using? |
| 08:21.10 | litage | dpkg mentions ``gasp'' when you ask it about "sex". what's gasp? i couldn't find it within apt |
| 08:21.12 | berkes | debian. |
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| 08:21.27 | lunitik | !sex |
| 08:21.27 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 08:21.38 | liable | berkes: what the hell is 'upgrade-system' ?? |
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| 08:22.00 | litage | lunitik: any idea what ``gasp'' is? |
| 08:22.11 | lunitik | !info gasp |
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| 08:22.21 | lunitik | !find gasp |
| 08:22.22 | berkes | liable: its a debian package that somehow automates the installation process |
| 08:22.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gasp' returned no results. |
| 08:22.39 | berkes | !find upgrade-system |
| 08:22.46 | dpkg | upgrade-system: (system upgrader from Konflux), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 08:23.02 | tonsofpcs | http://freshmeat.net/projects/gasp/ |
| 08:23.28 | lunitik | tonsofpcs: I feel enlightened, thanks :) |
| 08:23.35 | liable | berkes: can you give me the output from a normal dist-upgrade? |
| 08:23.51 | berkes | sure. sec. |
| 08:24.00 | lunitik | liable: why are you still on that? its fixed ... apt-get dist-upgrade wouldn't do it, but he's not using apt-get |
| 08:24.23 | liable | lunitik: its not fixed.. and i am curious |
| 08:24.37 | lunitik | liable: it is fixed... it no longer tries to remove the package |
| 08:24.47 | lunitik | liable: read about aptitude |
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| 08:24.58 | lunitik | liable: aptitude install aptitude-doc ... have at it |
| 08:25.10 | berkes | liable: http://pastie.caboo.se/5170 nothing really... |
| 08:25.47 | berkes | guess Id best drop that upgrade-system tool then :) |
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| 08:26.04 | liable | berkes: did implicitely installing the package fix it? |
| 08:26.13 | lunitik | liable: every used debfoster? aptitude has a simular function... it keeps track of packages you install, and removes things it doesn't need anymore |
| 08:26.19 | liable | lunitik: i saw he said thank you, i didnt see him say it fixed it.. |
| 08:26.36 | liable | lunitik: thanks, i use aptitude only.. |
| 08:26.53 | lunitik | liable: you use aptitude, and haven't come across that yet? |
| 08:27.11 | berkes | liable: well, as far as I can se, yes. Problem is that this is a production server, so I cannot test it too much. People alerady shouted last time when they could not reach svn :) |
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| 08:28.01 | lunitik | liable: debfoster was a seperate tool... its still around, although not as nice as aptitudes feature |
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| 08:28.13 | liable | lunitik: yes, its one reason i do use it.. but i guess you beat me to the chase before i could even work out what the hell was going on |
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| 08:28.42 | lunitik | liable: again, it basically asked what you wanted to keep, kept track of that, and asked you about things that no longer were depended on by anything... |
| 08:28.52 | lunitik | liable: I just wish aptitude would ask... or something |
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| 08:29.36 | lunitik | I guess it kinda does wrt "Are you sure this is what you want to do?" |
| 08:29.47 | liable | lunitik: i have used debfoster and deborphan, as i say, i have also used aptitude exclusively for a quite a while now. |
| 08:30.26 | liable | lunitik: thanks, but i know how it works. |
| 08:30.28 | lunitik | liable: I'm somewhat new to aptitude actually ... just play with more meta-packages |
| 08:31.19 | liable | lunitik: i just didnt quite get a chance to see what was going on, before you started telling me about it all.. :) |
| 08:32.52 | lunitik | liable: ahh... ok... well, so long as issue is solved, and berkes also learned something, is ok :) |
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| 08:38.13 | driller- | whats better? woodcrest or conroe? |
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| 08:42.38 | liable | driller-: are you talking about cpu's? |
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| 08:42.50 | liable | driller-: ask in #hardware |
| 08:43.09 | ekkikrist | he's a real estate investor |
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| 08:43.25 | ekkikrist | woodcrest and conroe are private communities |
| 08:43.39 | ekix | hi |
| 08:44.09 | junaedi | hi |
| 08:44.09 | ekix | is there any docs available for creating an etch installer with customer kernel? |
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| 08:44.26 | driller- | private communities? |
| 08:45.20 | ahewitt_ | hi guys, I came in here before asking a question about automountd and someone told me that you cannot use it to mount inside a directory that already exists. Maybe they misunderstood my question, but this seems a dumb way to make this software work...why does the automount socket *have* to begin in the / directory? why can't I use automount to mount inside /home/ and leave all of the other directories in /home intact? |
| 08:46.46 | liable | !custom installer |
| 08:46.49 | lunitik | ahewitt_: you'd need to create a dir inside /home/ and mount it there |
| 08:46.51 | liable | meh |
| 08:47.10 | lunitik | uhh... and set it to automount there I guess |
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| 08:47.26 | liable | !custom d-i |
| 08:47.26 | dpkg | custom d-i is probably http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 08:48.05 | ahewitt_ | lunitik: I have tried that...I created /home1/test for testing, and then had am-utils mount an NFS mount to /home1/dev...this mount overwrote /home1/test until I unmounted or stopped am-utils |
| 08:49.19 | lunitik | ahewitt_: yes... this is why you need to create a dir that is empty to mount the share |
| 08:49.38 | lunitik | ahewitt_: so /home/nfs and mount it there... for instance |
| 08:49.41 | junaedi | ahewitt: how about creating an entry in the /etc/fstab |
| 08:50.00 | lunitik | ahewitt_: umm, that goes without saying... automountd doesn't just guess :/ |
| 08:50.19 | lunitik | ahewitt_: actually, meh... different situation |
| 08:50.31 | ahewitt_ | junaedi: that kind of defeats the purpose of automountd doesn't it |
| 08:50.35 | lunitik | ahewitt_: he wants it to mount if its found on the network probably |
| 08:51.00 | lunitik | junaedi: please stop just randomly guessing at answers ... |
| 08:51.07 | ahewitt_ | yeah, its for servers that use NFS mounts that get stale NFS file handlers whenever something happens to the NFS server |
| 08:51.51 | lunitik | ahewitt_: I'm surprised you have experience with NFS, but didn't know you need an empty dir? maybe you don't with other Unices? |
| 08:53.11 | lunitik | ahewitt_: its strange, yes... but one of those little oddities most OS's have.... |
| 08:54.17 | ahewitt_ | I think you might be missunderstanding as well....everyone I have spoken to today has :S ...if I want to mount an NFS mount in /mnt/blah/, and /mnt/cdrom/...I can do this...but if I use am-utils and try and mount something under /mnt/blah1, then /mnt/cdrom wont be there anymore |
| 08:54.17 | magnus | Is it possible to force apt-get to install packages even if there are unmet dependencies? |
| 08:54.52 | lunitik | ahewitt_: the dir you want am-utils to mount things to exists? |
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| 08:55.09 | lunitik | magnus: yes... why would you want to do that though? |
| 08:55.48 | lunitik | magnus: if you're sure... something like "apt-get -o ::Dpkg:Options::--force-all" I think |
| 08:56.13 | ahewitt_ | lunitik: /home1 exists...inside that there is a dir called 'test' (/home1/test)...I have configured am-utils to automount at /home1/dev/...it does this fine...but /home1/test/ is now gone until I unmount |
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| 08:56.38 | JaMaLz | hello every one |
| 08:56.47 | magnus | lunitik: Because I get this: "libsdl-mixer1.2-dev: Depends: libsdl-mixer1.2 (= 1.2.6-1.1) but 1.2.6-1.1+b1 is to be installed" and I do not think it matter that its a different version |
| 08:56.53 | JaMaLz | how to setup a SMTP server |
| 08:56.53 | magnus | lunitik: thanks |
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| 08:57.05 | lunitik | magnus: holdon |
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| 08:57.36 | unstable | If I am connected to a box via ssh remotely; am I able to copy binary from another shell(NOT SFTP); and paste it(vi?) into that shell. Then chmod the file; and run it? |
| 08:57.41 | unstable | Can you copy/paste binary? |
| 08:57.49 | unstable | Or would that not work? |
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| 08:58.21 | JaMaLz | i want to set an smtp server ? what package do i need |
| 08:58.43 | lunitik | magnus: I was almost correct: apt-get -o ::DPkg::Options::"some dpkg option" |
| 08:58.59 | petemc | JaMaLz: debian comes with a full featured mta by default, if you cant tell what that is, you need to do some serious reading |
| 08:59.00 | lunitik | magnus: to get the correct option... take a look at dpkg --force-help |
| 08:59.02 | Fox | JaMaLz: you already have exim, don't you ? it's up to you to see if it fits your needs |
| 08:59.06 | magnus | hm |
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| 08:59.18 | magnus | But its not dpkg that complains afaik, its apt-get, it wont even download the package |
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| 08:59.22 | lunitik | magnus: apt-get -o ::DPkg::Options::="some dpkg option" |
| 08:59.34 | lunitik | Added the equals sign... shoulda copy-pasted |
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| 09:00.27 | magnus | lunitik: :) Well didnt work, thanks for the tip though. |
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| 09:01.03 | lunitik | magnus: grrrr..... 'apt-get -o ::DPkg::Options::="--force-depends" install libsdl-mixer1.2-dev' ... don't blame me if it breaks things :/ |
| 09:01.25 | lunitik | (it'll do exactly what you want... ) |
| 09:01.31 | magnus | nope |
| 09:01.32 | magnus | didnt work |
| 09:01.38 | magnus | apt-get refuse to even start download packages |
| 09:01.48 | lunitik | magnus: what does apt say? |
| 09:01.57 | magnus | The following packages have unmet dependencies. libsdl-mixer1.2-dev: Depends: libsdl-mixer1.2 (= 1.2.6-1.1) but 1.2.6-1.1+b1 is to be installed |
| 09:02.13 | lunitik | magnus: 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-depends" install libsdl-mixer1.2-dev' |
| 09:02.18 | lunitik | gdi I wish I could read |
| 09:02.57 | magnus | nope :) |
| 09:03.23 | lunitik | magnus: copy and paste... thats the correct command... else try --force-all instead of --force-depends |
| 09:03.37 | magnus | tried force-all first |
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| 09:04.00 | anders_ | apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-desktop ? that will install gnome? |
| 09:04.01 | magnus | But isnt those options options that go into dpkg when the packages are downloaded? |
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| 09:04.19 | lunitik | magnus: you copy and pasted the last command I gave you? (without the "::" infront) |
| 09:04.47 | lunitik | magnus: what do you think -o DPkg::Options:: is for? |
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| 09:04.49 | magnus | yeah |
| 09:05.21 | junaedi | anders_: apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 09:05.34 | anders_ | but when iam formatting? |
| 09:05.41 | anders_ | apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 09:05.47 | JaMaLz | do i need sendmail ? |
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| 09:05.55 | junaedi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.59 | lunitik | JaMaLz: idk, do you? |
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| 09:06.01 | anders_ | yes? |
| 09:06.12 | junaedi | anders_: try apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 09:06.12 | magnus | I guess it is options to dpkg, thus only have an effect when dpkg is running on the downloaded packages? |
| 09:06.16 | vick | Hello when i try to run dhcpd3 it says no subnet declaration for eth0, so i added subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { }, and it still doesn't work, any ideas why ? |
| 09:06.18 | lunitik | anders_: why are you trying to use Debian? |
| 09:06.20 | anders_ | junaedi: but all? |
| 09:06.27 | anders_ | trying? |
| 09:06.29 | anders_ | iam using debian |
| 09:06.30 | anders_ | ffs |
| 09:06.36 | lunitik | anders_: you're certainly not succeeding |
| 09:06.42 | anders_ | iam not? |
| 09:06.43 | anders_ | do u know anything? |
| 09:06.44 | anders_ | :) |
| 09:07.00 | azeem | !gnome |
| 09:07.00 | dpkg | somebody said gnome was a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 09:07.06 | azeem | !install gnome |
| 09:07.06 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 09:07.12 | lunitik | anders_: I've seen most of your dialog for the last 2 days |
| 09:07.21 | anders_ | but iam succedding now |
| 09:07.25 | anders_ | i dont got a good computer |
| 09:07.29 | anders_ | and iam not sure what iam going to use |
| 09:07.58 | junaedi | anders_: what do you mean with "no good computer"? |
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| 09:08.16 | anders_ | i heard that xfce is for not that good computers |
| 09:08.29 | lunitik | anders_: paste /proc/cpuinfo to a pastebin |
| 09:08.37 | anders_ | kk |
| 09:08.37 | junaedi | anders_: old? perhaps you can try install ubuntu-server, then apt-get xunbuntu desktop |
| 09:08.42 | lunitik | anders_: and show us the result |
| 09:08.43 | anders_ | noo |
| 09:08.45 | anders_ | ;O |
| 09:08.51 | lunitik | (it'll give you a link) |
| 09:09.09 | lunitik | anders_: I just want to see whether your system is likely to manage with gnome... |
| 09:09.14 | anders_ | /proc/cpuinfo: Permission denied |
| 09:09.16 | anders_ | but iam in root? |
| 09:09.21 | lunitik | anders_: how old are you, just out of curiosity |
| 09:09.26 | anders_ | 15 |
| 09:09.27 | azeem | junaedi: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 09:09.34 | lunitik | anders_: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 09:09.36 | anders_ | i want to use debian |
| 09:09.38 | waiting | anders_: yer a kid <:) |
| 09:09.39 | junaedi | azeem: I know |
| 09:10.05 | azeem | anders_: what is the problem with XFCE4? |
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| 09:10.18 | anders_ | AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+, mhz: 1489,049, cache size: 256 KB |
| 09:10.19 | unstable | !tell JaMaLz about apt-cache |
| 09:10.21 | unstable | !tell JaMaLz about smtp |
| 09:10.25 | anders_ | azeem: is that good for me? |
| 09:10.29 | anders_ | look at my computer |
| 09:10.33 | azeem | anders_: sure |
| 09:10.37 | anders_ | or can i use gnome? |
| 09:10.39 | lunitik | azeem: last I heard, people tried to get him to install gdm because xdm was ugly... now apparently he's given up on that |
| 09:10.42 | anders_ | i think gnome is easier |
| 09:10.47 | azeem | anders_: you should try to *use* your computer, not constantly change the setup |
| 09:11.04 | anders_ | azeem: u recommend gnome for me? |
| 09:11.06 | lunitik | anders_: that should be find for Gnome... thats as good as my computer |
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| 09:11.10 | lunitik | fine* |
| 09:11.14 | anders_ | ok |
| 09:11.21 | anders_ | apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system ? |
| 09:11.21 | azeem | anders_: I recommend staying with XFCE4 unless there are serious issues |
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| 09:11.36 | anders_ | azeem: its maybie better with gnome, easier to install things etc etc? |
| 09:11.36 | waiting | such as xfce4 being unusable crap? ;D |
| 09:11.44 | waiting | no it's fun |
| 09:11.46 | azeem | anders_: no, gnome doesn't "install things" |
| 09:11.48 | magnus | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/114097 <- more people have the same problem as me :) |
| 09:11.49 | anders_ | its easy |
| 09:11.52 | anders_ | i had that on ubuntu |
| 09:12.00 | waiting | but for me it's a little too ... weird :) |
| 09:12.06 | azeem | anders_: just install synaptic, it runs just fine on XFCE |
| 09:12.08 | lunitik | anders_: although, how much ram? type "cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal" |
| 09:12.42 | anders_ | MemTotal: 776372 kB |
| 09:12.45 | anders_ | ill get 512 more ddr |
| 09:12.52 | anders_ | in the week ^^ |
| 09:12.55 | anders_ | but my ram is slow!!! |
| 09:13.03 | lunitik | anders_: your computer is better than mine :P |
| 09:13.07 | anders_ | lunitik: ok |
| 09:13.14 | anders_ | but how do i write when i formatt to download gnome? |
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| 09:13.17 | waiting | anders_: it's still faster than HD. lot's of RAM is always good |
| 09:13.22 | azeem | anders_: people have used Linux on 386/40MHz computers 15 years ago |
| 09:13.28 | anders_ | azeem: ok :D |
| 09:13.31 | anders_ | then i get gnome then |
| 09:13.35 | lunitik | anders_: you know anything about Gnome and XFce? like interface etc... you know which one _YOU_ like best? |
| 09:13.45 | anders_ | i think gnome is eaisest |
| 09:13.48 | anders_ | this is weird |
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| 09:13.58 | anders_ | what is the command to download gnome? |
| 09:14.11 | DGnome | heyho! Biiig problem. "Accidentally" ran mke2fs -j on the wrong device and lost data. Can and How do I recover data? |
| 09:14.29 | waiting | anders_: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:14.31 | lunitik | anders_: apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system-core |
| 09:14.37 | anders_ | -core ?? |
| 09:14.44 | lunitik | waiting: newb ... so no |
| 09:14.49 | anders_ | what means -core ?? |
| 09:14.51 | lunitik | anders_: it'll drag in -core |
| 09:14.53 | GecKo` | when I first installed debian it got me to do the exim4 configuration, is there anyway to envoke that again? |
| 09:14.53 | waiting | lunitik: :() ok |
| 09:14.54 | liable | err, wouldnt he have x if he has xfce? |
| 09:14.56 | magnus | lunitik: downloaded the package manually from debian.org, it worked fine to install with dpkg with --force-depends, thanks for help |
| 09:15.13 | anders_ | ok lunitik ill try t hat :) |
| 09:15.14 | anders_ | brb |
| 09:15.15 | anders_ | .) |
| 09:15.33 | lunitik | liable: he'd have an xserver ... yes ... not very useful though ... |
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| 09:15.38 | waiting | doesnt gnome pull in the default x server szuff as well? |
| 09:15.46 | lunitik | umm, or is it client? Xorg likes to confuse people in that regard |
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| 09:15.50 | waiting | or can it exist without? |
| 09:15.54 | petemc | it can |
| 09:15.57 | azeem | sure it can exist without |
| 09:15.59 | waiting | kewl! |
| 09:16.01 | ryan42 | hello. I'm trying to install debain etch on my thinkpad. It's installing packages |
| 09:16.03 | lunitik | waiting: it doesn't bring in things like fonts etc... |
| 09:16.12 | lunitik | waiting: or drivers afaik |
| 09:16.14 | waiting | not bad |
| 09:16.18 | ryan42 | it's been on "Installed liferea" for about 10 minutes now and doesn't seem to be doing a thing |
| 09:16.19 | liable | lunitik: um, seeing as x runs, he has a working x system |
| 09:16.19 | waiting | nice separation work |
| 09:16.44 | ryan42 | top isn't around so I can't see if it's working but it's not heating up any so i don't think it is |
| 09:16.45 | lunitik | liable: yes... but he wants Gnome now :/ |
| 09:16.48 | ryan42 | any suggestions? |
| 09:16.57 | lunitik | liable: can't hurt either way :/ |
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| 09:17.30 | Fox | GecKo`: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 09:17.39 | GecKo` | Fox: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:17.46 | lunitik | @ installing x-window-system-core |
| 09:17.48 | GecKo` | Fox: thanks - i should have looked first, asked after :P |
| 09:17.52 | Fox | hehe |
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| 09:20.56 | lunitik | Debian really isn't targeted at such people... |
| 09:21.00 | Vr|3Z0 | hi |
| 09:21.09 | lunitik | Vr|3Z0: hey |
| 09:21.15 | Vr|3Z0 | ( /sbin/init:432 cannot open dev/console:No such file ) |
| 09:21.26 | petemc | lunitik: debian isnt targeted at all |
| 09:21.27 | Vr|3Z0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.37 | lunitik | petemc: which is why its not good for new users |
| 09:21.38 | Vr|3Z0 | kernel 2.6 |
| 09:21.48 | petemc | lunitik: its good for whoever wants to use it |
| 09:22.17 | lunitik | petemc: get your Mom a box, and have her install Debian on it with no help... then tell me its good for whoever wants to use it |
| 09:22.30 | lunitik | (I should probably test that one myself one day...) |
| 09:23.01 | petemc | lunitik: my mother doesnt want to use it, if she did, she's competant enough to be able to |
| 09:23.47 | lunitik | petemc: Debian is easy to those that are familiar with it... for those that aren't, I'm not sure I'd direct them to it |
| 09:24.07 | petemc | why am i talking about this to you? |
| 09:24.40 | lunitik | petemc: by the way... what is wrong about this syntax? maybe you know... "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--some-option" install pkg" |
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| 09:26.24 | Vr|3Z0 | mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs' |
| 09:26.24 | Vr|3Z0 | umount: devfs: not mounted |
| 09:26.24 | Vr|3Z0 | pivot_root: No such a file or directory |
| 09:26.24 | Vr|3Z0 | /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console:No such a file |
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| 09:27.02 | petemc | i didnt ignore you |
| 09:27.15 | petemc | i dont know the answer, what are you trying to do tho? |
| 09:28.15 | liable | i just had the tastiest steak! :) |
| 09:28.30 | lunitik | petemc: someone asked a question about forcing things via apt-get directly... I saw someone use -o DPkg::Options the other day, I just appear to have forgotten the syntax :( |
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| 09:29.21 | liable | !tell lunitik about confmiss |
| 09:29.26 | itsjustme | you know how when you press ctrl+alt+ + or - the screen changes res or virtual desktop or something? |
| 09:29.30 | liable | thats the option? |
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| 09:29.48 | lunitik | liable: yes... appears my syntax is correct though? |
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| 09:30.09 | waiting | hmmm |
| 09:30.10 | waiting | Package make-doc-non-dfsg is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:30.18 | liable | lunitik: seeing as dondel wrote that factoid, i think you can rest assured its correct :) |
| 09:30.27 | itsjustme | how to make it so its not like a stretch out desktop and so it changes to the wole screen? |
| 09:30.46 | itsjustme | i wish i knew the terminology... |
| 09:31.14 | lunitik | liable: my syntax is the same though... just a different option fed to dpkg ... although I don't have --reinstall... |
| 09:33.13 | DGnome | heyho! Biiig problem. "Accidentally" ran mke2fs -j on the wrong device and lost data. Can and How do I recover data? |
| 09:33.21 | driller- | intel is jewish? |
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| 09:33.45 | waiting | You have searched for make.info in unstable, architecture i386. Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. |
| 09:34.03 | eisberg | is it possible to upate the ati driver when the ati driver ist compiled in the kernel? |
| 09:34.11 | eisberg | update |
| 09:34.28 | liable | DGnome: i think you are kinda screwed, unless you have a backed up partition table handy |
| 09:34.56 | liable | DGnome: next time, try tune2fs :) |
| 09:35.17 | kakado | DGnome, have you written data to the partition? |
| 09:35.20 | waiting | You have searched for make.info in unstable, architecture i386. Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. |
| 09:35.20 | DGnome | liable: sortof.. there are commercial tools that offer more or less recovery functionality.. |
| 09:35.36 | DGnome | kakado: no. just mounted once and stated "DOH!" |
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| 09:36.03 | liable | DGnome: try gpart, theres also another file recovery program that i cant think of |
| 09:36.10 | kakado | DGnome, then your data should be there, then it "just" to recover |
| 09:36.23 | kakado | DGnome, which filesystem was it before? |
| 09:36.33 | DGnome | kakado: ext2 |
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| 09:37.11 | kakado | DGnome, have you checked if ext2 has some recover command |
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| 09:37.55 | kakado | DGnome, I have tried with reiserfs, it worked ok, though only file remove |
| 09:38.20 | DGnome | kakado: ? |
| 09:38.44 | DGnome | dunno if ext2 has any recovery-thingies |
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| 09:42.40 | kakado | DGnome, http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux/recover/how.php3 |
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| 09:43.29 | marccd | anybody remember the name of a console app that lets you build regexps? |
| 09:43.37 | scandrou | Hi, I had 2 HDD. 1 with my debian sys, and the other I wasn't using. Today I partition the orther I created a file sys. I can't reboot anymore and when in grub shell it can't find my debian system. What could have happen? What can I do? |
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| 09:45.04 | scandrou | marccd: kregexpeditor ? |
| 09:45.09 | sjau | somebody can help me with a shell script? I have setup ssh that I can login on my other server with no pwd asked but for executing a command on there, how can I include variables in the command section? I have currently this script but it will not create the directory: http://pastebin.ca/92196 |
| 09:45.13 | marccd | console scandrou |
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| 09:47.26 | scandrou | The error when booting is: "root(hd1,1) Error22: No such partition" |
| 09:48.01 | anders_ | azeem: hello again :) |
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| 09:48.06 | marccd | scandrou, txt2regex :) |
| 09:48.54 | scandrou | marccd: never heard of it, will have alook as soon as I can boot into my system :-) |
| 09:49.10 | marccd | its amazing scandrou it saves lives! |
| 09:49.33 | liable | scandrou: are you positive you made the file system on the right drive? |
| 09:49.39 | marccd | scandrou, you need to put more specifics in your question |
| 09:49.42 | marccd | why cant you boot anymore? |
| 09:49.48 | marccd | grub has a weird hd naming scheme |
| 09:49.59 | marccd | maybe you switched cables around and grub is tryin gto boot into that one |
| 09:50.08 | marccd | if you didnt touch the hd where debian was installed, there should be no prob |
| 09:50.13 | scandrou | liable: I booted with knoppix and everything is there |
| 09:50.28 | marccd | scandrou, how is your IDE Setup? |
| 09:50.47 | scandrou | marccd: tab in grub can't find anything |
| 09:50.58 | marccd | scandrou, tried (hd0,0) |
| 09:51.03 | marccd | the first hard drive and partition is always 0 |
| 09:51.29 | marccd | counting in unix always starts from 0 |
| 09:51.45 | marccd | hd(1,1) would be the primary slave, first partition |
| 09:52.13 | scandrou | marccd: in the grub shell, "root (hd0,<TAB>" doesn't give anything |
| 09:52.41 | marccd | how is your hard drives set up? |
| 09:52.49 | marccd | give me the layout and the partitions |
| 09:52.58 | marccd | I have to go to sleep but I might be able to help you quickly |
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| 09:53.44 | scandrou | liable, marccd: hda and b used to be cdrom drives, hdc the disk I reformat and hdd the debian sys |
| 09:54.14 | scandrou | liable, marccd: I didn't touch any cable |
| 09:54.49 | marccd | try this |
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| 09:55.10 | marccd | hd(3,0) |
| 09:55.15 | anders_ | anyone that can help me install java?? |
| 09:55.25 | anders_ | so it works for firefox and other programs..? |
| 09:55.25 | marccd | !tell anders_ about java |
| 09:55.29 | scandrou | liable, marccd: in grub shell "root (<TAB>" gives fd0, hd0, fd1 |
| 09:55.37 | scandrou | s/fd1/hd1 |
| 09:55.55 | marccd | so both hd0 and hd1 fail? |
| 09:56.13 | scandrou | marccd: yes |
| 09:56.30 | marccd | so you have Primary Master: Your debian hd, Primary Slave: your data disk Secondary Master CDROM ? |
| 09:56.40 | anders_ | shall i install: sun-java5-jdk?? to get it work on web+ |
| 09:57.03 | cyneox | anders_, you should install java - environment |
| 09:57.12 | cyneox | anders_, check out java.sun.com |
| 09:57.16 | anders_ | i have done that |
| 09:57.20 | anders_ | but i dont understand 1 one |
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| 09:57.25 | cyneox | anders_, what ? |
| 09:57.26 | marccd | scandrou, I dont know what you might have done to make grub go mad |
| 09:57.33 | scandrou | marccd, liable: could the MBR be on the HDD I reformat, so nothing bootable anymore? |
| 09:57.49 | marccd | scandrou, the MBR is on your primary hard disk |
| 09:57.52 | marccd | grub is the MBR |
| 09:57.59 | scandrou | marccd: no prob, I'll find a way, thanks for your help |
| 09:58.04 | liable | scandrou: didnt you just say grub completion gives you hd1? |
| 09:58.07 | cyneox | anders_, ??? |
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| 09:58.11 | Fox | grub is the MBR ? no |
| 09:58.16 | marccd | is in the mbr Fox |
| 09:58.16 | anders_ | cyneox: can u help me? :O) |
| 09:58.30 | Fox | :) |
| 09:58.32 | cyneox | anders_, you said you couldnt understand 1 thing..which one ? |
| 09:58.35 | marccd | !mbr |
| 09:58.35 | dpkg | mbr is, like, the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 09:59.01 | eps | ', like,' |
| 09:59.07 | anders_ | how to install and 1 one |
| 09:59.13 | eps | dpkg is a 19 year old female now? |
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| 09:59.24 | liable | !gender |
| 09:59.24 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 09:59.26 | cyneox | anders_, chmod a+x [java-package] |
| 09:59.30 | eps | !sex |
| 09:59.30 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 09:59.34 | eps | haha |
| 09:59.34 | anders_ | cyneox: shall i write that? |
| 09:59.37 | cyneox | anders_, execute it: ./java-package |
| 09:59.37 | scandrou | liable: root (<TAB> gives fd0, hd0, hd1, but from the 3 choices I can't go anywhere |
| 09:59.41 | cyneox | anders_, yes. |
| 10:00.00 | DGnome | liable & kakado : thanks for the help |
| 10:00.02 | liable | scandrou: so it cant see hd1,1? |
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| 10:00.12 | scandrou | liable: root(fd0) gives a read error |
| 10:00.14 | eps | what is cd in relation to dating? and shouldn't finger go after unzip? |
| 10:00.15 | anders_ | cyneox: can u one 1 other channel so wee can speak there? |
| 10:00.25 | anders_ | cyneox: come to #helpme ! |
| 10:00.41 | anders_ | cyneox: i cannot write to you :S |
| 10:00.44 | scandrou | root(hd0,<TAB> gives nothing |
| 10:01.01 | liable | scandrou: do hd1<tab> |
| 10:01.06 | scandrou | liable: and hangs |
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| 10:01.11 | azeem | anders_: do not /msg people unless they request it |
| 10:01.18 | cydork | eps: depends on what is being unziped :) |
| 10:01.20 | cyneox | i msged him ;) |
| 10:01.36 | liable | scandrou: indefinately? |
| 10:01.38 | azeem | he's not identified |
| 10:01.41 | smartdog | anders_: use ./jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 10:01.53 | waiting | u install sun java sdk? :OOO |
| 10:02.08 | waiting | is it open source yet? :) |
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| 10:02.20 | snappy | 8/win last |
| 10:02.41 | scandrou | liable: root(hd1,0) worked, I am going to get the kernel |
| 10:02.42 | waiting | ah, it's the "runtime engine" |
| 10:02.46 | lunitik | waiting: technically yes... although not open enough for most |
| 10:03.04 | waiting | lunitik: reminds me of several other sun software systems |
| 10:03.16 | waiting | lunitik: 0:-) |
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| 10:03.43 | eps | cydork lol |
| 10:03.51 | scandrou | liable: kernel /<TAB> complete with lost+found :-( |
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| 10:04.31 | liable | scandrou: do /dev/hdc<tab> |
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| 10:04.39 | lunitik | waiting: main thing right now is no distribution of source code... only within Java Open Somethingorother |
| 10:04.40 | scandrou | liable: how long shoul I wait for root (hd1,<TAB> ? |
| 10:06.20 | liable | scandrou: do .. grub; root (hd1,0); setup (hd1); quit |
| 10:06.41 | liable | err, (hd1,1) |
| 10:07.13 | liable | root (hd1,1) |
| 10:07.21 | liable | setup (hd1) |
| 10:07.52 | liable | actually.. ignore me.. |
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| 10:08.18 | liable | hdd should be (hd3,0) |
| 10:08.43 | liable | scandrou: can you irc from knoppix? |
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| 10:08.57 | scandrou | liable: let me check |
| 10:09.10 | liable | it has xchat iirc |
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| 10:10.09 | holzplatten | is there a way to turn single mode "insecure"? |
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| 10:10.44 | holzplatten | I mean, without asking for root passwd |
| 10:11.17 | liable | holzplatten: what exactly are you wanting to do? |
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| 10:12.53 | holzplatten | liable: I want to change my root passwd because the keymap is broken and can't login |
| 10:13.13 | petemc | !tell holzplatten about i forgot root's password |
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| 10:14.35 | scandrou2 | liable: I am scandrou on my broken debian |
| 10:15.08 | liable | scandrou2: cool. what dev has knoppix mounted your / as? |
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| 10:16.55 | scandrou2 | liable: I don't know how to find out. It is not in /etc/fstab |
| 10:17.14 | driller- | anyone know good breeches to buy ? |
| 10:17.31 | liable | scandrou2: cat /proc/mounts |
| 10:18.44 | scandrou2 | liable, http://pastebin.ca/92211 |
| 10:19.31 | scandrou2 | liable, the /dev/hdd2 it is me that mounted it, it is my debian sys |
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| 10:19.49 | scandrou2 | liable, the /boot of my deb sys |
| 10:20.01 | b_52Free | after installing bind 9 |
| 10:20.13 | b_52Free | /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 10:20.13 | b_52Free | bash: /etc/init.d/bind9: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 10:20.30 | b_52Free | i have run a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:20.34 | b_52Free | but no change |
| 10:20.45 | liable | scandrou2: ok, can you 'chroot /mnt/hdd2' ?? |
| 10:21.09 | scandrou2 | liable, would that work, I only got /boot on it, not / |
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| 10:21.34 | liable | scandrou2: wheres the rest? hdd1? |
| 10:22.08 | liable | scandrou2: what partition was / ? |
| 10:22.20 | scandrou2 | from hdd1 to hdd8. I can mount everything and chroot if necesseary. Should I ? |
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| 10:22.50 | liable | scandrou2: can you see all those partions? |
| 10:22.57 | scandrou2 | liable, yes |
| 10:23.12 | holzplatten | hum... |
| 10:23.21 | holzplatten | "passwd: Authentitacion token lock busy" |
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| 10:23.52 | scandrou2 | liable: I mounted / and /boot and everything seems there |
| 10:24.03 | liable | scandrou2: ok, chroot to / |
| 10:24.16 | liable | whatever thats mounted on |
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| 10:25.13 | scandrou2 | liable: ok, I need to go for 5 mn. I'll ping you when chroot into my debian sys. |
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| 10:25.39 | liable | scandrou2: only thing i was gonna mention was to try grub once chrooted |
| 10:25.44 | anders_ | how do i come into the XFree86 config? |
| 10:25.57 | anders_ | or how do i reconfigurate XFree86? |
| 10:26.17 | liable | !drxx anders_ |
| 10:26.17 | dpkg | anders_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 10:29.50 | eonn | guys is the ssh daemon installed as default ? |
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| 10:30.00 | eonn | or only the client under debian |
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| 10:30.17 | backblue | hi, anyone here have installed apc ups in debian? dont works... |
| 10:30.50 | SlayerXP | backblue: if your UPS doesn't work you should call APC and arrange a warranty replacement |
| 10:31.03 | yalu | anyone using smartmontools on disk on a 3ware sata raid controller? I get an error "WARNING - NO DEVICE FOUND ON 3WARE CONTROLLER (disk 0)" when I try to enable SMART on the disks |
| 10:31.03 | Fox | eonn: apt-get instsll ssh installs both |
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| 10:31.16 | backblue | SlayerXP: it works, software from apc, dont works on debian, that the problem. |
| 10:31.19 | Fox | !anyone |
| 10:31.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 10:31.40 | SlayerXP | backblue: apt-get install apcupsd |
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| 10:31.46 | Arafangion | backblue: And while you're at it, define "dont works" |
| 10:32.11 | backblue | SlayerXP: i was trying to use apcd. and the deamon never works |
| 10:32.23 | Arafangion | backblue: Define "works". |
| 10:32.26 | backblue | ti starts but it stops after 3 seconds. |
| 10:32.35 | Arafangion | backblue: Stops what? |
| 10:32.39 | eonn | fox : how can i tell if the sshd is running under debian? |
| 10:32.43 | backblue | stops running? |
| 10:32.48 | backblue | ps aux ... |
| 10:32.48 | Spliffster | backblue: are there any logs ? |
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| 10:33.01 | backblue | Spliffster: no. it does not give me any logging. |
| 10:33.02 | cahoot | eonn: pgrep ssh |
| 10:33.02 | liable | eonn: netstat -plunt |
| 10:33.15 | backblue | i cannot get any comclusion when using strace to debug... |
| 10:33.37 | Arafangion | backblue: It most definetly provides logs. |
| 10:33.49 | backblue | not with me. |
| 10:34.07 | Spliffster | backblue: is there a config file where you can enable logging ? |
| 10:34.09 | backblue | following /etc/apcd.conf it shoudl log something to /var/log/ups... |
| 10:34.13 | SlayerXP | backblue: ask your systems administrator to help you. |
| 10:34.18 | backblue | and there is nothing on the file. |
| 10:34.45 | Spliffster | backblue: what about /var/log/messages or /var/logs/syslog ... daemon etc. ? |
| 10:34.53 | backblue | SlayerXP: i am sys admin, but not with debian, this is a strage behaviour. |
| 10:35.01 | backblue | Spliffster: nothing no logs at all. |
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| 10:35.18 | liable | backblue: surely it has debug mode, check the docs |
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| 10:37.40 | vick | when i try iptables -L PREROUTING, i get no chain/table by this name, why ? |
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| 10:40.23 | nixie | add '-t nat' to that |
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| 10:47.10 | vick | Somebody help me please!, i want to bridge between 10.0.0.10 and 10.0.0.20 on the same ethernet NIC eth0, is that possible ? What's the easiest way to do it ? [ i tried DNAT'ing , didn't work, not sure why ] Thanks in advance. |
| 10:48.35 | finn_ | I don't get that vick. isn't that in the same subnet? |
| 10:49.09 | vick | Yes. |
| 10:49.18 | vick | heh i have reasons :D |
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| 10:50.11 | vick | finn_: Would you know an easy way to do it ? |
| 10:50.28 | finn_ | no, sorry I've never bridged anything |
| 10:50.34 | scandrou2 | liable: chrooted, I can get something with (hd1,1) |
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| 10:51.22 | Fox | bridging with 1 nic ? erh, how could that be possible ? |
| 10:53.37 | scandrou2 | liable: When I do: grub> initrd /initrd.img-2.6.17 the answer is: Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory |
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| 10:55.11 | petemc | vick: what is it you want to achieve? |
| 10:55.32 | EvilDin | hey one program is listening to my port 25, how do i remove it?? when i telnet 127.0.0.1 25 --> i get this 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Exim 4.50 |
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| 10:56.00 | petemc | EvilDin: /etc/init.d/exim4 stop |
| 10:56.17 | petemc | thats only temporary, obviously |
| 10:56.38 | liable | scandrou2: it should be (hd3,1) whats on hdb1? |
| 10:57.39 | scandrou2 | liable, in chroot I /proc is empty |
| 10:57.59 | liable | EvilDin: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, choose delivery only |
| 10:58.19 | liable | scandrou2: thats ok, you can 'mount /proc' |
| 10:58.36 | liable | EvilDin: local* |
| 10:59.10 | liable | gah, it prolly already is.. i need sleep.. |
| 10:59.34 | scandrou2 | liable, after root (hd1,1) and doing kernel /<TAB> I got all the kernel image and initramfs. What was on /hdd2 before and mounted as /boot |
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| 11:00.24 | liable | EvilDin: netstat -plunt, if its listening on 0.0.0.0 then you need to reconfig, if its only 127.. then its ok |
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| 11:00.36 | EvilDin | it is ok now |
| 11:00.42 | driller- | fack jews |
| 11:02.23 | pngwn | driller-, there ain't room for that kind of shit in here |
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| 11:02.56 | eps | bah rsync hates me... I want to include a directory and what ever is in it but no others, say for example I'm backing up / and I want to only backup /home and /usr |
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| 11:03.19 | eps | (I know this isn't the rsync channel but there is no one there and I'm just looking for some one who might know the answer) |
| 11:03.37 | eps | so I'm doing +home/ +usr/ */ yet it hates me |
| 11:04.18 | anders_ | is there avaible any program so i can use .exe programs, not (wine) |
| 11:04.35 | b_52Free | Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 11:04.37 | b_52Free | . |
| 11:04.37 | b_52Free | Starting domain name service: named. |
| 11:04.50 | eps | anders_ you have wine, cross over office, cedega, and using qemu or vmware to emulate windows |
| 11:04.57 | eps | anders_ why don't you want to use wine? |
| 11:05.01 | b_52Free | some ona have meet this error before after tying to restart bind 9 |
| 11:05.02 | b_52Free | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.09 | anders_ | its not working for all things |
| 11:05.13 | anders_ | eps: how do i get vmware? |
| 11:05.39 | eps | anders_ you go to vmware.com and buy it (I believe vmware server 1.0 is not free(not opensource)) |
| 11:05.42 | cydork | anders_: do you know something called as google??? |
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| 11:05.55 | anders_ | eps: do i really need to buy..? |
| 11:05.58 | eps | cydork I was going to say that, but I thought I'd be nice for a change :P |
| 11:06.04 | cydork | eps: they have made vmware server free now. |
| 11:06.12 | eps | anders_ well you can pirate it, I'm not your mother so I don't care |
| 11:06.15 | cydork | eps : :) |
| 11:06.34 | anders_ | shall i use: server? |
| 11:06.35 | eps | qemu is free and with kqemu it is a reasonable equivilant |
| 11:06.48 | eps | anders_ shall you ask stupid questions: I guess so? |
| 11:07.02 | eps | cydork mmm looks like my mood changed |
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| 11:07.08 | jotham | how do i add a random repository to apt? i wanna add this http://bashish.sourceforge.net/debian |
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| 11:07.23 | anders_ | eps: what is qemu? |
| 11:07.35 | eps | jotham vim /etc/apt/sources.list and match for the formating in there or on the page you are getting it from |
| 11:07.38 | eps | or use synaptic |
| 11:07.53 | eps | anders_ it is a pigeon that flys south weekly |
| 11:07.59 | jotham | eps: yeah i tried to match the other syntax with no luck, it wants 3 parts, deb,url,somethingelse |
| 11:08.20 | eps | jotham deb url release type |
| 11:08.28 | anders_ | eps: can i run .exe programs with Qemu+ |
| 11:08.37 | eps | eg deb au.debian.org/stable main |
| 11:08.42 | scandrou2 | liable, it doesn't make any sens. I can root (hd1,1) but this is my mounts: http://pastebin.ca/92229 |
| 11:09.04 | scandrou2 | liable, it still sees it as hdd !! |
| 11:09.04 | eps | anders_ is english your first lang? |
| 11:09.06 | jotham | eps: those subdirs are missing on that repository |
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| 11:09.21 | liable | scandrou2: whats on hdb? |
| 11:09.21 | eps | jotham give me a sec, I'll look for you |
| 11:09.35 | jotham | hold on eps i got it |
| 11:09.36 | anders_ | eps: no? |
| 11:09.44 | jotham | deb http://bashish.sourceforge.net/debian / |
| 11:09.50 | jotham | i never thought to try just a / |
| 11:09.58 | anders_ | eps: can u help me? |
| 11:10.09 | jotham | eps: cheers for your help |
| 11:10.25 | anders_ | what 1 i shall choose so i can use winxp/debian on same? |
| 11:10.48 | eps | jotham either did I...did that work? |
| 11:10.56 | liable | scandrou2: i gotta sleep. at least you know the data is still there, so its not a big problem.. someone else will give you a hand, i am sure |
| 11:10.59 | eps | [2006/07/19|21:14:26] <eps> anders_ is english your first lang? |
| 11:11.07 | jotham | eps: works fine |
| 11:11.07 | scandrou2 | liable, nnnnoooooooooo |
| 11:11.26 | scandrou2 | liable, good night then |
| 11:11.30 | eps | scandrou what is your problem, I might be able to pick up where liable left off |
| 11:11.32 | eps | ? |
| 11:11.34 | liable | laters |
| 11:11.34 | scandrou2 | liable, and thanks for your help |
| 11:11.40 | liable | np |
| 11:11.43 | eps | jotham interesting, learn some thing new every day |
| 11:12.44 | anders_ | eps: if i install xp now, how do i boot it?, will it come up a meny when i start the computer? |
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| 11:13.14 | scandrou2 | eps, can't boot anymore, grub don't seems to see my bootable hd. I used knoppix and I am chroot in my debian atm. |
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| 11:13.46 | eps | anders_ I am not interested in helping some one who isn't interested in paying attention, if english isn't your first language I'd normally put up with a bit of that though as you haven't bothered to answer that question I'm not going to bother helping you, good day |
| 11:14.37 | eps | scandrou2 what did you change to cause this problem with grub (I've had a lot of experience with hardware upgrades causing this problem, just reading up for your details) |
| 11:15.00 | simon23 | can anyone tell me why the mysql db in the etch feed has no german or english language ?? |
| 11:15.21 | simon23 | sounds strange but it has only cs and sw language... |
| 11:15.30 | simon23 | sw = swedish cs = ? |
| 11:16.13 | scandrou2 | eps: I had a HDD that was already plugged in but I wasn't using, So I tried to use it. I partition and created a fs. That is about everything I did. |
| 11:16.35 | simon23 | can anyone help me ? apt-cache didnt get me any language packs for the mysql DB ... ? |
| 11:16.44 | scandrou2 | simon23, learn swedish |
| 11:16.57 | simon23 | :) would be a solution - yes... |
| 11:16.57 | eps | scandrou mmm was the hdd plugged in (power and cable) and just not formatted, or did you put a new one in? |
| 11:17.05 | eps | haha scandrou |
| 11:17.27 | scandrou2 | eps, I put a new partition in |
| 11:17.57 | eps | righto, it's _very_ odd that grub would care...do you have any pci ide cards that you are using? (they cause this problem all the time) |
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| 11:19.09 | ma3x | can you tell me how do I quickly split 1 GB file into 2 pieces |
| 11:19.14 | ma3x | and then how do I join them in windows? |
| 11:19.21 | scandrou2 | eps, no, I had this setting for at least a year. In chroot grub, when I do : grub> initrd /initrd.img-2.6.17 the answer is: Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory |
| 11:19.29 | eps | also do you have trusty floppy drive hooked up to that computer? (cause there are two ways to fix this, the hard way (needs a floppy drive) and the harder way (chroot from livecd)) |
| 11:20.10 | RvGaTe | http://www.isitfriday.net/ <-- lol |
| 11:20.11 | eps | ma3x google: file splitters linux windows |
| 11:20.15 | scandrou2 | ma3x, man split |
| 11:20.39 | scandrou2 | eps, I am chroot from livecd atm |
| 11:20.43 | ma3x | okay |
| 11:21.46 | ma3x | can't you just tell me how do I split one 1GB file into 2 pieces of 500 MBytes? |
| 11:21.59 | ma3x | like 'split -b 500M file' ? |
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| 11:22.15 | eps | scandrou2 mmm well as I don't remember how to do it from livecd's (part of the reason why it's the harder way :P) I'll tell you how to do it using the grub boot disc |
| 11:22.42 | eps | I thought tar could also split files into sizes? just do it in that and use 7zip in windows to untar it |
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| 11:23.35 | eps | basically while you're in the livecd get /proc/partitions and work out what's where (when I did this I had five hdd's and around 14 partitions so you will have an easier job) and while you're there get a copy of the grub boot disc |
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| 11:23.52 | simon23 | (my problem already solved - had to set default language.) |
| 11:24.20 | eps | boot from the grub boot disc and 'feel out' for the right hdd to boot off... it'll be the one that allows you to tab complete the kernel section when you've set a root (hdx,x)) |
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| 11:24.43 | eps | then that will load linux and once you're into your install you run install-grub (whereever) |
| 11:25.03 | eps | the syntax for the grub boot disc is the same as menu.lst ... mine is as follows |
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| 11:26.20 | eps | root (hd2,0) <br> kernel /boot/vmlinux-whatever root=/dev/hdc1 ro <br> initrd /boot/initrd.img-whatever <br> boot |
| 11:26.44 | scandrou2 | eps, I am in grub: http://pastebin.ca/92235 |
| 11:26.55 | eps | whatever is my kernel version and root first up is the hdd and partition in order of their bios readout |
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| 11:27.18 | Azuos001 | how can I use 855resolution with my gma 950 and xorg. In fact I have just bougth a hp laptop and I am trying to install linux there, but I am getting problem with my graphic card. is there anybody that could help me there? |
| 11:27.38 | eps | where is that from? |
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| 11:28.37 | scandrou2 | eps, chrooted into my debian system, in the grub shell |
| 11:29.05 | eps | if you're in the livecd this email might help http://www.edlug.ed.ac.uk/archive/Mar2003/msg00011.html ...note that my advise is only relevant to a fresh boot using the grub boot cd and doesn't work overly well while chrooted for many annoying reasons relating to how crap BIOS'es are |
| 11:29.13 | p0t | !dpkg sound |
| 11:29.14 | dpkg | hmm... sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 11:30.15 | eps | scandrou what I think has happened is that grub has registered the hdd moving and it hates life, so what I'm telling you will get you into your own debian box where you can then look at fixing it another way |
| 11:30.42 | CyberMad | why my debian can not ping other computer in LAN? it said connect: Network is unreachable |
| 11:30.52 | eps | CyberMad because the network is unreachable |
| 11:30.57 | scandrou2 | :-) |
| 11:31.01 | eps | configure your networking correctly (start with your ip) |
| 11:31.03 | CyberMad | this is happen while installation |
| 11:31.11 | eps | do you have dhcp? |
| 11:31.14 | CyberMad | i did... i already set 192.168.1.2 |
| 11:31.28 | eps | and your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0? |
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| 11:31.39 | eps | and your gateway |
| 11:31.47 | eps | most importantly your gateway |
| 11:31.49 | vick | Is there a tool on debian to know the MAC Address of a computer given it's IP ? |
| 11:31.53 | CyberMad | actually i have 2 HD in this computer (1st: windows 2000 pro) and 2nd is debian, i already remove the cable data in 1st HD |
| 11:31.58 | eps | vick nmap |
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| 11:32.29 | CyberMad | i don't need to set gateway, i tried ping 192.168.1.1 but return network is unreachable |
| 11:32.47 | eps | CyberMad is the interface up? /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:32.51 | CyberMad | 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.1 is in one network |
| 11:32.52 | eps | (sudo if not root) |
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| 11:33.42 | CyberMad | this is the result: |
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| 11:34.33 | tttyyuii | Hi! Anyone has got experiences with debian and 3ware 9500S-4 sata (II) raid controller? If i buy one, can i use without problems for installing debian? |
| 11:34.44 | CyberMad | Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured. SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy. SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy. Failed to bring up eth0. done. |
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| 11:34.58 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 11:35.14 | CyberMad | if i boot the HD in windows 2000 pro, it can ping my other computer |
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| 11:36.20 | CyberMad | actually, i have 3 PC.. 1st: 192.168.1.1, 2nd: i turn this off (use to install debian about 3 days ago), 3rd: i try install debian on it right now |
| 11:36.45 | CyberMad | when installing debian in 2nd PC, i don't get any problem with the network |
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| 11:37.15 | CyberMad | but badly, the 2nd PC don't have USB interface, so i need to install this debian in 3rd PC, but got this problem :( |
| 11:37.57 | CyberMad | my investigation: because when boot in windows 2000 pro can ping 192.168.1.1, so i assume the utp cable is ok and the NIC is ok |
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| 11:38.30 | CyberMad | the problem is debian :( i tried install the 2nd PC with this debian CD too... but why problem in this computer? any idea? |
| 11:38.31 | eXiSt | hi |
| 11:38.31 | eps | do ifconfig and see if you have an interface up |
| 11:38.46 | row | how can I clear the cups job history? |
| 11:38.49 | CyberMad | it's up |
| 11:38.55 | CyberMad | UP LOOPBACK RUNNING |
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| 11:39.02 | sussudio | ... |
| 11:39.14 | CyberMad | sorry do i wrong? |
| 11:39.24 | simonrvn | duh. you want eth0. that's lo |
| 11:39.26 | CyberMad | i forget which one determine the eth0 is down or up |
| 11:39.29 | eXiSt | there is a debian sarge gateway. I can connect it from outside. Local clients can go internet via debian gateway. But debian cant go internet itself. |
| 11:39.34 | eXiSt | please help me |
| 11:39.51 | eXiSt | i cant ping outside from debian gateway |
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| 11:40.21 | CyberMad | there is no word "UP" when did ifconfig eth0 |
| 11:40.47 | row | up means bring the interface up, if you don't want to then no, aiui |
| 11:40.57 | CyberMad | i tried ifconfig eth0 down then ifconfig eth0 up, then i got this: |
| 11:41.09 | CyberMad | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
| 11:41.13 | bintut | anyone here familiar with Wincor Nixdorf ND210 printer and on what driver to use in setting with CUPS connected as /dev/lp0? |
| 11:41.40 | CyberMad | any idea? |
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| 11:42.57 | Dewi | hmm |
| 11:43.06 | Dewi | after a few weeks' uptime my terminals all stop resizing |
| 11:43.16 | Dewi | like bash gets resizes |
| 11:43.23 | Dewi | but I can't resize already running programs |
| 11:43.30 | Dewi | then I reboot, and it's fine again. Happened twice now. |
| 11:43.45 | seeds | what command to clean a debian registry temp files etc? |
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| 11:44.04 | Dewi | do you mean the apt cache? |
| 11:44.20 | CyberMad | i can't set UP the eth0 :( Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured. SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy. SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy. Failed to bring up eth0. done. |
| 11:44.46 | seeds | the whole system |
| 11:44.47 | CyberMad | "Failed to bring up eth0." |
| 11:44.48 | bintut | anyone here familiar with Wincor Nixdorf ND210 printer <http://tinyurl.com/pn7jr> and on what driver to use in setting with CUPS connected as /dev/lp0? |
| 11:45.02 | Dewi | seeds: systems don't generally need cleaning |
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| 11:45.23 | seeds | ok |
| 11:45.39 | Eulex | seeds, (1) debian doesn't have a registry (2) /tmp is cleaned on every reboot |
| 11:45.43 | seeds | so u can clean the apt cache? |
| 11:45.45 | Dewi | there are things you could remove if you are running low on disk space. |
| 11:45.49 | seeds | ok |
| 11:45.58 | Dewi | like clearing the apt cache |
| 11:46.07 | Dewi | maybe deleting particularly spammy logs if you have them |
| 11:46.20 | seeds | ok |
| 11:46.21 | CyberMad | i think... debian didn't recognize my NIC very well, then what should i do? |
| 11:46.33 | seeds | how to clear apt cache? |
| 11:46.36 | simonrvn | CyberMad: please don't paste here, use paster (/msg dpkg paster) and then paste us what you have for lo and eth0 from ifconfig |
| 11:46.38 | CyberMad | sorry, it's "debian can not" |
| 11:46.38 | Fox | apt-get clean |
| 11:46.46 | simonrvn | seeds: apt-get clean |
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| 11:47.06 | CyberMad | ok wait.. |
| 11:47.10 | seeds | cool. thnx |
| 11:47.23 | simonrvn | debian does what its told, just like windows ... it's just an OS, it's not alive |
| 11:47.44 | Eulex | CyberMad, umh, you're nic is very well recognized, if you get an eth0 device |
| 11:48.06 | CyberMad | i will paste the result.. :) just a minute |
| 11:48.07 | Eulex | *your |
| 11:48.13 | finn_ | simonrvn, is there a way to show how big the apt cache is? |
| 11:48.22 | simonrvn | use du |
| 11:48.25 | finn_ | or just check how big the directory is? |
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| 11:48.27 | finn_ | ok |
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| 11:48.37 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 11:48.48 | scandrou2 | eps, still no luck, can't find anything on google |
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| 11:49.19 | scandrou2 | epssy, I joined #grub but noone over there |
| 11:49.42 | epssy | scandrou you could just do what I suggested with the boot disc? |
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| 11:53.12 | CyberMad | it's http://channels.debian.net/paste/3182 please check it out |
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| 11:53.33 | CyberMad | i don't have any idea with this network problem :( |
| 11:54.51 | CyberMad | i tried ping 192.168.1.2 (it self), then got reply... but problem when ping other computer |
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| 11:56.21 | Dewi | CyberMad: I wonder if your hardware is definitely compatible with the module you are using |
| 11:57.27 | CyberMad | i just curious when did ifconfig eth0 up, i got SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy. |
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| 11:57.51 | CyberMad | or when did: /etc/init.d/networking restart i got Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 11:58.31 | simonrvn | um, it's already up |
| 11:58.52 | CyberMad | when did ifconfig eth0 there is no UP information :( DOH! i think it should: UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 11:59.01 | simonrvn | well, not really, the address is assigned but it isn't running |
| 11:59.02 | simonrvn | inet addr:192.168.1.2 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 11:59.09 | CyberMad | but mine: BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 11:59.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:59.35 | simonrvn | mine: UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 12:00.00 | CyberMad | please help me if you got any idea to fix this problem :( |
| 12:00.20 | Eulex | CyberMad, what network card and what driver? |
| 12:00.24 | CyberMad | actually, like i said before.. i already install debian in my 2nd pc and got no problem |
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| 12:00.47 | Eulex | yes, it looks like a driver problem |
| 12:01.14 | CyberMad | it's embeded to ASUS motherboard, i see word REALTEK in the chip |
| 12:01.27 | Dewi | ooh. hmm. |
| 12:01.37 | Dewi | check what it really is and google it |
| 12:01.37 | Eulex | CyberMad, lspci |
| 12:01.43 | Dewi | or that |
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| 12:02.12 | CyberMad | it's RTL8201BL |
| 12:02.22 | CyberMad | lspci? |
| 12:02.39 | CyberMad | ok, i will do some google.. |
| 12:04.22 | CyberMad | the mobo.. looks like: Asus P4V8X-X |
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| 12:05.26 | scandrou2 | epssy, I don't have a floppy :( |
| 12:05.39 | scandrou2 | how can I find out the last updated package ? |
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| 12:06.02 | driller- | which of the above media types is the best movie quality? divx, xvid, vcd, svcd, other? |
| 12:06.28 | simonrvn | @ff |
| 12:06.30 | ravenbird | rumour has it, ff is even in dutch |
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| 12:06.41 | CyberMad | well... i won't fix this :( i will add my compex NIC to the computer, i hope will fix the problem |
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| 12:12.09 | ak70 | Hi, does anyone know how to make nmh connect to smtp directly via ssh? |
| 12:13.09 | waiting | ak70: I think the proper solution would be to use TLS |
| 12:13.17 | waiting | ak70: (and ESMTP) |
| 12:13.30 | ak70 | yes |
| 12:13.55 | ak70 | some people also call it ssh |
| 12:14.09 | Trev_ | Or Shhhh |
| 12:14.47 | waiting | well I can understand if someone calls it SSL, but "ssh"? that's very application-specific, misguiding, IMHO |
| 12:14.49 | xdr | anyone know how I can change the default /tmp/ folder for apache? |
| 12:15.02 | ak70 | sorry, my mistake |
| 12:15.04 | waiting | but if they think it's easier ... fine with me |
| 12:15.17 | waiting | ak70: ah ok, so you _do_ want the nmh to do TLS :)) |
| 12:15.24 | ak70 | yes |
| 12:15.28 | waiting | narf ^^ |
| 12:15.56 | Dewi | xdr: what does apache use /tmp for? |
| 12:16.51 | ak70 | here is my situation. My ISP's smtp server requires login via SSL or TLS to send mails. |
| 12:17.16 | nixie | xdr: apache debian changelog for 1.3.28 says: "- Do not use /tmp for temporary files (Closes: #214515)" |
| 12:17.25 | nixie | xdr: are you sure it's apache and not one of its modules? |
| 12:17.34 | Dewi | ak70: most email programs will let you use SSL |
| 12:17.36 | waiting | ak70: can't you configure an smtpd on your side that connects prperly? |
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| 12:17.56 | waiting | ak70: it's quite a beast, with managing certs & all that |
| 12:18.09 | tuxedup | is it still possible to install the nvidia drivers for xorg 7.0 via the debian way even though the nvidia-glx package is no longer present |
| 12:18.16 | ak70 | I am using nmh |
| 12:18.28 | simonrvn | is it still there.. in sid |
| 12:18.29 | scandrou | what happen if you delete your MBR? |
| 12:18.52 | Dewi | scandrou: it won't boot anymore |
| 12:19.02 | infernix | scandrou: Master BOOT record. :) |
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| 12:19.03 | ak70 | I try to make it use smtp directly instead of sendmail. |
| 12:19.12 | waiting | ak70: I understand |
| 12:19.41 | scandrou | Dewi: would you see the different kernel first ? (I think I fucked up mine) |
| 12:19.53 | Dewi | ak70: you don't have to use your ISP's smtp server; you can just act as an SMTP agent host yourself and connect to the target relays |
| 12:20.00 | Dewi | s/agent/relay/ |
| 12:20.20 | ak70 | that is what I don't want to do |
| 12:20.23 | blondie | that might not be a good idea |
| 12:20.37 | blondie | such servers tend to be blacklisted |
| 12:20.39 | Dewi | why wouldn't it be a good idea? |
| 12:20.45 | Dewi | blondie: why? |
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| 12:20.47 | blondie | and your mail gets marked as spam |
| 12:21.08 | blondie | because most spam is sent directly from home users' infected PCs |
| 12:21.13 | Dewi | blondie: there are a lot of legitimate relays in the world; I don't think anyone has a list of them all |
| 12:21.27 | blondie | it's the way it is. |
| 12:21.28 | ak70 | I used to use exim4 which is configured to send mails to a "smarthost" |
| 12:21.34 | Dewi | blondie: how do they tell? |
| 12:21.41 | xdr | nixie: maybe it's php |
| 12:21.41 | Ronin | not to mention dynamic ips tend to be blacklisted to begin with alrady |
| 12:21.42 | ak70 | but I hated it |
| 12:21.58 | simonrvn | when spam gets sent out from them... |
| 12:22.00 | blondie | Dewi: large volumes of spam coming from that subnet |
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| 12:22.17 | infernix | Dewi: in fact, hundreds of RBLs simply list *all* public IPs from isps (perhaps not rightly so but thats outside the scope), the consequence being that either none of the mail gets accepted or it all gets flagged as spam |
| 12:22.24 | simonrvn | this is why mine hasn't been ;) |
| 12:22.30 | waiting | well okok |
| 12:22.40 | Ronin | which is why i use smarthosts for mine |
| 12:22.40 | waiting | running a mailserver is not what everyone likes to do |
| 12:22.56 | waiting | anyhow, thunderbird does TLS, so nmh could possibly, too |
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| 12:23.09 | Dewi | shrug. Anyone can send mail. If you're hitting blacklists then the blacklists are wrong. |
| 12:23.14 | Dewi | You shouldn't give in to that sort of shit. |
| 12:23.27 | ak70 | I read a lot of docs, but found nothing |
| 12:23.31 | Dewi | Not until a viable alternative presents itself anyway. |
| 12:23.34 | infernix | i had a mailserver on a DSL running for years, like since '99. in november last year i had to change it to smarthost through the ISP because all of the sudden, that (static ip) dsl range made it to RBLs. |
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| 12:24.17 | infernix | Dewi: that might be the idea, not to give in, but where mails are a key part of a business, that doesnt really hold ground |
| 12:24.41 | infernix | customers want mail delivered, period. they dont care about the how and why. |
| 12:24.46 | Dewi | infernix: ISPs get blacklisted pretty often |
| 12:24.52 | simonrvn | i got wrongly listed once... but i acted quickly before i got perma-listed. contacted my isp and asked them to remove my ip |
| 12:24.52 | waiting | infernix: because of spam & trash & silly problems, mail becomes less and less relevant in business :) |
| 12:25.12 | infernix | waiting: if only that would be true. :) |
| 12:25.12 | waiting | I've seen more serious business applications using MSN than EMail ;) |
| 12:25.20 | Ronin | waiting: heh less relevant? take down a companys mail server if you want to see how relevenat it is |
| 12:25.25 | simonrvn | it was due to a random test from njabl |
| 12:25.31 | simonrvn | Ronin: heh heh heh |
| 12:25.43 | waiting | Ronin: yes, that will never happen - but then we could see _how_ relevant it really _was_ :) |
| 12:25.44 | Dewi | people should take responsibility for using shitty RBLs that blacklist legitimate hosts |
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| 12:26.10 | Dewi | god email is a mess. depressed just being reminded of it. |
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| 12:26.59 | simonrvn | i see a *lot* of attempts to spam.. just layering checks and stuff helps a lot. most don't even see SA ;) |
| 12:27.07 | Ronin | Dewi: who said they're shitty rbls? |
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| 12:27.36 | CyberMad | damn.. i already add compex nic, so in this computer got 2 NIC, but can not set them UP :( |
| 12:27.45 | Dewi | Ronin: blacklisting a whole subnet due to problems with a few hosts is just plain wrong |
| 12:28.34 | infernix | Dewi: thats too general. people are abusing entire subnets with virtual ips as well. |
| 12:28.45 | infernix | the problem lies in the abuse, not in the system. |
| 12:29.24 | Dewi | in the datacentre I am hosted in, I share a subnet with 256 other machines. Getting blacklisted for no reason pisses me off. |
| 12:29.45 | Dewi | Of course, the domestic ISPs' SMTPs around here seem to be on the blacklists alarmingly often too |
| 12:31.12 | Dewi | did I just say 256 other machines? maybe I should get some sleep :P |
| 12:32.21 | infernix | well maybe theres a few behind a router?;) |
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| 12:32.47 | waiting | latest spam I got told me: "your mailserver was blocked by our ISP because it sent enormous amounts of spam to the internet. please see the attached transcript ... Maillog.zip" ;) |
| 12:32.59 | waiting | .o(.exe) |
| 12:33.40 | infernix | either way, when people stop paying spammers for the illusion that its effective marketing, thats when i'll dance all day. hopefully it'll happen in this decade |
| 12:34.15 | Dewi | part of me really wishes cryptographic identities would catch on |
| 12:34.21 | Ronin | infernix: but spam does work, seriously, i have a user here that bought a digital camera through a spam email she received |
| 12:34.23 | waiting | I wonder if spam is not really all about ant-spam measures |
| 12:34.28 | Dewi | but hopefully still with some suitable protections for anonymity |
| 12:34.32 | waiting | ant=anti |
| 12:34.35 | infernix | Ronin: that makes me cry |
| 12:34.40 | Ronin | infernix: likewise |
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| 12:35.26 | waiting | it's an open secret that the part of computer industry that has closest ties to the programmers of computer virusses is the producers of ant-virus software |
| 12:35.28 | Dewi | if only people could be gradually coaxed into using SSL certs with email |
| 12:35.35 | Dewi | eventually the spam would become pretty obvious |
| 12:35.46 | Ronin | Dewi: id settle if we didnt use outlook and html email here |
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| 12:36.15 | waiting | although nothing obviously indicates this, it is possible that an equivalent relation holds for the pheonomenon that is "spam" |
| 12:36.27 | waiting | :)) |
| 12:36.42 | Dewi | a couple of months ago I started monitoring root@, postmaster@, webmaster@ on the ~30 domain names I host |
| 12:36.47 | waiting | I mean, one _has_ to know how a mailserver works in order to hack it & send spam over it |
| 12:36.52 | Dewi | you know, to be a responsible postmaster |
| 12:36.59 | Dewi | now I get about 40 spam a day I didn't get before |
| 12:37.08 | Dewi | maybe I should just pull all those out again |
| 12:37.21 | infernix | Dewi: try catch-all. great fun. |
| 12:37.33 | Dewi | I used to believe catch-alls were a good idea |
| 12:37.38 | Dewi | now I have realised they are not. |
| 12:37.55 | Dewi | better that somebody gets back "no such user" than having their message lost for an eternity in a pile of spam |
| 12:37.59 | infernix | neither is good. if you have it, you get the spam in your inbox. if you dont, they will abuse the bouncemails. |
| 12:38.10 | blondie | Dewi: you can't bounce postmaster |
| 12:38.18 | infernix | bounce abuse is the most frustrating thing ive come across |
| 12:38.22 | Dewi | blondie: I always did before |
| 12:38.33 | blondie | Dewi: it's against the "rules" |
| 12:38.33 | Ronin | i like the drop method lately |
| 12:38.36 | blondie | well, the SMTP RFCs |
| 12:38.48 | Dewi | blondie: ... yeah, so are hundreds of other things we do to fight spam |
| 12:38.53 | infernix | but dropping is so, how to put it, technically unethical |
| 12:39.00 | blondie | Dewi: two wrongs don't make a right |
| 12:39.05 | Ronin | infernix: :) |
| 12:39.22 | Dewi | blondie: you were the one accepting RBLs blacklisting whole subnets |
| 12:39.31 | Dewi | I think that's about 10 orders of magnitude more scandalous |
| 12:39.36 | blondie | Dewi: I'm not accepting it, I'm saying they do |
| 12:39.41 | blondie | I didn't say they *should* |
| 12:39.49 | Dewi | anyway, as I said, I do get postmaster and all the rest for 30 domains |
| 12:39.54 | Dewi | but it's 90% of the spam I get |
| 12:40.11 | infernix | it just feels wrong to send mail straight to devnull. instead i ponder on my thousands of spam mails for a minute or two before i purge them from my imap folder. |
| 12:40.11 | Dewi | infernix: how does one abuse a "no such user" bouncemail? |
| 12:40.17 | bintut | anyone's familiar with this problem: "parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 12:40.19 | blondie | we can't even spam filter our postmaster address :| |
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| 12:40.21 | waiting | it beats TV |
| 12:40.22 | blondie | stupid FOI laws |
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| 12:40.44 | infernix | Dewi: by putting the return address as a legitimate target address for spammers. so the bouncemail goes to the spam target. |
| 12:40.53 | Dewi | blondie: I bet you do, at some level |
| 12:41.07 | Dewi | blondie: since there are so many levels of spam blocking in most people's systems :P |
| 12:41.12 | blondie | Dewi: only manually |
| 12:41.31 | Dewi | blondie: are you that worried about getting a legit email through it that gets caught as spam? |
| 12:41.40 | blondie | I'm not, but some people are |
| 12:41.55 | Dewi | infernix: where's the marketting value in a prospective customer reading "no such user"? |
| 12:41.59 | blondie | if it's a request for information, we can get prosecuted if it's not answered |
| 12:42.07 | Dewi | through email? |
| 12:42.09 | blondie | yes |
| 12:42.16 | Dewi | email != postal mail |
| 12:42.17 | blondie | through any means whatsoever |
| 12:42.26 | blondie | including email, in person etc. |
| 12:42.31 | infernix | Dewi: not all mailservers refuse in the smtp handler. some send bounces with 'no such user' and attach the mail to it. yes, horrible mailservers, but they exist. |
| 12:42.51 | Dewi | blondie: yeah, but if your filter catches it, you haven't actually received it |
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| 12:43.19 | blondie | Dewi: we'd have to bounce the message |
| 12:43.20 | Dewi | infernix: now I understand why so many of them don't attach anymore |
| 12:43.24 | infernix | Dewi: Postmaster notifications arent supposed to get filtered as spam. they're supposed to be meaningful to sysadmins |
| 12:43.28 | Dewi | infernix: can be pretty annoying, after a massive newsletter mailout |
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| 12:43.37 | blondie | anyway it's not up to me |
| 12:43.40 | Dewi | infernix: being unable to work out which mailbox was the invalid one |
| 12:43.42 | blondie | I just have to read the bloody email |
| 12:44.00 | Dewi | blondie: so why is postmaster so important and not the others? |
| 12:44.15 | blondie | because the RFCs say so |
| 12:44.22 | blondie | :P |
| 12:44.31 | blondie | it's a guarranteed email address at any domain |
| 12:44.38 | Dewi | I'm sure the RFCs say not to delete mail because it contains references to "cars" or "$" |
| 12:44.57 | Dewi | maybe not specifically, but... like I say, the RFCs are totally lost |
| 12:45.01 | blondie | shrug |
| 12:46.10 | infernix | </rant> |
| 12:46.12 | infernix | back to work:P |
| 12:46.15 | Dewi | :P |
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| 12:46.49 | Dewi | I'd close the rant tag, but it wouldn't be honest |
| 12:46.56 | Dewi | they'll print </rant> on my grave. |
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| 12:49.34 | Hoxzer_ | if I buil deb does configure options still apply? |
| 12:50.20 | infernix | Hoxzer_: if you use apt-get -b source, e.g. dpkg-buildpackage, then you have to change debian/rules in order to have custom ./configure parameters |
| 12:50.46 | Hoxzer_ | ok |
| 12:50.48 | FallenHitokiri | Hoxzer_: if you build your sources and use checkinstall: yes |
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| 12:54.46 | pjv | what's recommended for making flyers and pamphlets in linux? |
| 12:54.56 | Hoxzer_ | k, now building deb ;) |
| 12:56.19 | Eulex | pjv, nothing is recommended, but you could try scribus |
| 12:56.32 | pjv | ty |
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| 12:57.14 | Eulex | you could use latex too or any frontend to it, like lyx. |
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| 12:58.46 | scandrou2 | stew, are you around ? |
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| 12:59.01 | estevao | hi all... |
| 12:59.07 | estevao | someone uses openswan here? |
| 12:59.32 | estevao | openswan + debian sarge + linux 2.6 (NETKEY) |
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| 13:01.07 | scandrou2 | epssy, I tried to reinstall grub: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hdd but it gave me an error |
| 13:01.49 | pjv | i'll install lyx |
| 13:02.02 | pjv | thanks again Eulex |
| 13:03.30 | Eulex | pjv, yw :) |
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| 13:04.12 | ktwilight | is there a good tutorial on scripting? i want to search for a file, open the file, search for a line or characters then replace that line/characters, and save it |
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| 13:05.15 | Eulex | ktwilight, use bash, find and sed. |
| 13:05.25 | stew | scandrou2: ? |
| 13:05.30 | Eulex | (plenty of tutorials exist) |
| 13:05.42 | ktwilight | cool, that's good enough for me to know Eulex. thanks! :) |
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| 13:06.07 | Eulex | yw :) |
| 13:06.12 | cahoot | ktwilight: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html |
| 13:06.22 | agney | what should I look for to configure a dual head video card ? |
| 13:06.27 | ktwilight | thanks cahoot :) |
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| 13:07.26 | scandrou2 | stew, sorry to disturb, I am having trouble, liable helped me untill he went to bed, but I still got a pb. You always found a solution to my prob untill. Do you have a sec ? |
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| 13:08.59 | ksOzzy | Hello, does there exist a doc that explains packaging php code into debs? |
| 13:09.20 | selim | hi can someone help me with a little question about pppoe configuration manually, I try to change the username of a sdsl connection is it sufficant to change the chap-secrets username and change the user: entry in the peers/options file? |
| 13:09.44 | selim | or do I have to do some other changes then after changing this two files? |
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| 13:10.21 | CyberMad | what is bf24 install option? |
| 13:10.31 | Arafangion | With SSH and keys... It strikes me that it is more secure to _not_ have private keys attached to the user, but also the user _and_ host - that is, for every single account on every single machine a user has, the user should have a unique private key that never moves. |
| 13:10.44 | Arafangion | Any comments? |
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| 13:11.10 | waiting | Arafangion: sure |
| 13:11.30 | Arafangion | Secondly, once every account has it's own private key, does the key really need to be further protected by a password? |
| 13:11.39 | waiting | Arafangion: yes |
| 13:11.45 | Arafangion | waiting: Why? |
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| 13:12.01 | waiting | Arafangion: because then simple possesion of the key is not enough |
| 13:12.06 | CyberMad | it said Could not find kernel image: bf24 :( |
| 13:12.37 | waiting | Arafangion: for example, when it comes to posession, the root user, too, posesses all these keys on the respective boxen |
| 13:12.42 | scandrou2 | I am trying to reinstall grub: grub-install --root-directory=/boot --recheck /dev/hdd |
| 13:12.59 | scandrou2 | and got this error: Could not find device for /boot/boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 13:13.08 | Arafangion | waiting: imho, isn't root irrelevant? Root, by definition, can easily add a password keylogger onto the account. |
| 13:13.10 | Dewi | Arafangion: what reason is there to carry around >1 key? |
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| 13:13.29 | waiting | Arafangion: root is the exact opposite of irrelevant |
| 13:13.39 | Dewi | Arafangion: I mean, I can understand the wish to have several *levels* of key |
| 13:13.39 | waiting | Arafangion: i.e. root is relevant |
| 13:13.58 | Dewi | Arafangion: but having 1-3 keys is infinitely more manageable (and therefore more secure) than having 20 |
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| 13:14.26 | waiting | Dewi: you cannot manage more than 3 things? |
| 13:14.32 | waiting | Dewi: :( |
| 13:14.42 | waiting | Dewi: get a comput0r :)) |
| 13:14.43 | Dewi | waiting: no, I'm asking *why* manage them all for no reason? |
| 13:14.51 | waiting | Dewi: the reason is obvious |
| 13:14.58 | Dewi | no, it's not. |
| 13:14.58 | Arafangion | Dewi: afaik (Haven't yet practiced my preaching yet), but keys scale up very easily. |
| 13:15.07 | waiting | Dewi: it is totally and perfectly obvious ^^ |
| 13:15.11 | Dewi | okay. |
| 13:15.13 | infernix | dpkg, remotedeb is for a detailed HOWTO on a remote debian installation replacing an existing linux OS, go to http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 13:15.13 | dpkg | okay, infernix |
| 13:15.29 | Dewi | It's obvious that carrying around a list of 30 passphrases is going to be more secure than just remembering the passphrase to 1 private key. |
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| 13:15.46 | waiting | Dewi: you know, when they say "I give you the honorary key to our town" they not really do that |
| 13:15.48 | Arafangion | Dewi: I note it down in a book, to be honest. |
| 13:15.48 | aurax | hello |
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| 13:16.21 | Arafangion | Dewi: imho, the book is likely to be kept as physically secure as the PC's in question. |
| 13:16.25 | Dewi | It's like the password safe idea, but condensed down to a single entity that can be easily managed |
| 13:16.41 | Arafangion | Dewi: What happens if that key gets discovered? |
| 13:16.56 | waiting | management of 2500 keys is as easy as management of 3 |
| 13:16.57 | Dewi | the phrase or the key? |
| 13:17.08 | Dewi | if the phrase is discovered, you can change it and keep the key |
| 13:17.20 | Dewi | if the key is compromised, generate a new one and remove it from every host |
| 13:17.26 | Arafangion | Dewi: The key. |
| 13:17.39 | Arafangion | Dewi: And as the number of hosts increase? |
| 13:17.54 | Dewi | it's the same as passwords |
| 13:17.57 | Arafangion | Dewi: If the key is compromised, what's stopping the attacker from generating a new one and removing it from every host? |
| 13:18.01 | aurax | i 2.6.8-2-686 the latest kernel ? |
| 13:18.09 | Arafangion | aurax: Why don't you find out? |
| 13:18.09 | Dewi | also the same as passwords |
| 13:18.19 | Dewi | just less cumbersome |
| 13:18.22 | stew | scandrou: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 13:18.24 | Dewi | for you, not the attacker |
| 13:18.33 | waiting | Dewi: you don't happen to manage certain debian servers? ;) |
| 13:18.41 | aurax | is* |
| 13:18.44 | scandrou | stew: yes |
| 13:18.59 | Dewi | waiting: actually I don't run debian in production. Pity. |
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| 13:19.08 | waiting | Dewi: too insecure? ;) |
| 13:19.10 | stew | scandrou: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:19.10 | aurax | i just want to understand since i saw :CVE-2006-2451 saying it was fixed in 2.6.17 |
| 13:19.13 | Arafangion | Dewi: I run 4 servers in production. |
| 13:19.42 | anarcat | hehehe... after reading DWN, i wasn't expecting anyone here |
| 13:19.44 | Arafangion | aurax: By any chance, have you tried a google query for "kernel"? |
| 13:19.51 | stew | aurax: no, there have been two kernels released by the security team since 2.6.8-2 |
| 13:19.52 | aurax | yes |
| 13:19.55 | Dewi | Arafangion: I only have my private key recorded in two places in the world, and it's encrypted both places |
| 13:19.58 | Arafangion | aurax: And clicked on the first link? |
| 13:20.02 | waiting | aurax: try http://www.kernel.org :) |
| 13:20.05 | aurax | Arafangion stfu |
| 13:20.05 | anarcat | ah, nevermind, it's debian-devel... |
| 13:20.10 | Dewi | Arafangion: this is much better than either sharing passwords or keeping a password list |
| 13:20.41 | Arafangion | Dewi: Why would you share passwords? |
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| 13:20.57 | Dewi | Arafangion: most people only have a couple of passwords |
| 13:21.06 | Dewi | Arafangion: the rest use a password safe |
| 13:21.14 | waiting | most people have not even one server |
| 13:21.18 | Dewi | Arafangion: I have never met anyone who memorises >5 passwords |
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| 13:21.31 | Arafangion | Dewi: At one time I memorised 10. |
| 13:21.33 | Dewi | I could probably remember a few more than that, but I wouldn't delete them out of my password safe |
| 13:21.52 | Dewi | because I'm not that sure :P |
| 13:22.01 | Arafangion | Dewi: If you're a touch typist, it's not that hard to get your fingers to learn them - unfortunately, such passwords last far too long. |
| 13:22.02 | CyberMad | i think i found a clue of my problem from google, when do ifconfig eth0 up i got SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy. Then google said it's possible IRQ conflict, how to fix that/ |
| 13:22.09 | stew | Dewi: i have many more than 5 memorized |
| 13:22.16 | petemc | aol |
| 13:22.30 | Dewi | so do I, but like I say, I wouldn't trust myself to remember >5 in the long term |
| 13:22.40 | Dewi | so they are written down somewhere |
| 13:22.56 | waiting | that's pyhsical, not networked |
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| 13:22.59 | waiting | different story |
| 13:23.12 | Arafangion | waiting: I'm starting to get an impression that my idea of using a unique private key for every account, and reusing the passphrase for every one is a good compromize. |
| 13:23.25 | waiting | Arafangion: if you think so :) |
| 13:23.37 | Arafangion | waiting: Well, I'm studying security - so what do you think? |
| 13:23.37 | Dewi | I've never seen anyone keep their "physical" list of passwords anywhere other than the closest drawer or stuck to the monitor |
| 13:23.38 | waiting | Arafangion: every security situation is different. there is no magic bullet |
| 13:23.41 | Dewi | or at best in their diary |
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| 13:24.10 | Dewi | Arafangion: if you're using the same passphrase for every private key, why have >1 private key? |
| 13:24.38 | scandrou | stew: even after chroot it says linux knoppix |
| 13:24.39 | waiting | Dewi: why not? |
| 13:24.46 | Dewi | no, why do it? it's a waste of time |
| 13:24.52 | waiting | Dewi: why? |
| 13:25.10 | Dewi | because it's a waste of time |
| 13:25.13 | waiting | Dewi: you transmit private keys over the network? |
| 13:25.19 | Dewi | do you do everything I can't prove isn't a waste of time? |
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| 13:25.34 | Dewi | waiting: only using SSL |
| 13:25.35 | waiting | Dewi: do you also use telnet? |
| 13:25.38 | Dewi | waiting: on machines I run |
| 13:25.38 | stew | scandrou: oh you are working in a chroot, do you have your boot partition mounted inside the chroot? |
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| 13:26.12 | Dewi | waiting: what are you doing transmitting private keys around networks over telnet? |
| 13:26.16 | scandrou | stew: I can't boot into my debian anymore. Yes, /boot is mounted |
| 13:26.20 | waiting | Dewi: ^^ c'mon |
| 13:26.22 | stew | Dewi: i also have multiple ssh keys with the same password, they have different priveleges on different remote hosts |
| 13:26.28 | Arafangion | Dewi: I'm planning on using SSL2 + AES + Keys. |
| 13:26.31 | Dewi | stew: now that makes sense |
| 13:26.33 | stew | scandrou: is /dev populated? |
| 13:26.38 | Dewi | stew: levels, like I said, makes sense to me |
| 13:26.47 | Arafangion | Dewi: And I'm considering scripting things to make the management (and invasion detection) a little easier. |
| 13:26.49 | Dewi | stew: although I'm not sure I'd give them the same passphrase |
| 13:26.51 | scandrou2 | stew, yes |
| 13:27.01 | stew | scandrou2: and /proc? |
| 13:27.14 | scandrou2 | stew, no |
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| 13:27.20 | stew | scandrou2: mount /proc |
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| 13:27.24 | Dewi | private keys are not passwords; they are identity tokens |
| 13:27.34 | ksOzzy | Is there any doc for packaging php libraies? |
| 13:27.34 | Arafangion | Dewi: Wrong. |
| 13:27.35 | Dewi | if you think sharing private keys is like sharing passwords, you're not modelling them right |
| 13:27.51 | scandrou2 | stew, ok |
| 13:27.59 | Dewi | Arafangion: wrong? |
| 13:28.00 | Arafangion | Dewi: Private keys are one half of an encryption settup. |
| 13:28.04 | Arafangion | *setup |
| 13:28.05 | waiting | Dewi: you get paid to talk like that :D |
| 13:28.14 | Dewi | eh? |
| 13:28.14 | waiting | admit it :) |
| 13:28.24 | Dewi | you think I'm from ssh corp? |
| 13:28.34 | waiting | let's model a management system for identity tokens |
| 13:28.38 | Arafangion | waiting: I hope not... I've only attended one lecture, did programming on an unrelated subject instead, then read a book on encryption. |
| 13:28.45 | Arafangion | waiting: Part of a book, that is :) |
| 13:28.48 | minerale | Hi, i have a debian computer and allow friends of mine to use it via an ssh tunnel to access websites blocked in china. I just found out that even tho the tcp session is fowarded via the ssh tunnel, the dns server querried is the one local in china, and the dns server there refuses to resolve blocked ip's. Would VPN fix this? how can I setup vpn on debian so that it can be used from a windows pc ? |
| 13:29.09 | Dewi | Arafangion: and how does this make me "wrong"? |
| 13:29.10 | Dewi | minerale: I'm from the chinese govt. Tell me who they are. |
| 13:29.17 | Dewi | minerale: just... kidding. |
| 13:29.26 | Dewi | minerale: but you might not want to go advertising that. |
| 13:29.28 | minerale | dewi: travel.gov is blocked for example, |
| 13:29.50 | Arafangion | minerale: I don't think we can legitimately assist you. |
| 13:30.04 | minerale | dewi: I just want to know what to use to setup a vpn server on debian |
| 13:30.12 | waiting | I think I can, but I have no clue what you want to do |
| 13:30.25 | Dewi | minerale: I think you might have luck with a SOCKS proxy, which openssh supports as a "dynamic" port forward |
| 13:30.28 | Pryon | open vpn? |
| 13:30.30 | waiting | you want to make a VPN between a US and a China host? |
| 13:30.32 | Pryon | s/ // |
| 13:30.34 | Dewi | minerale: I have a feeling SOCKS does name lookups through the tunnel |
| 13:30.41 | scandrou2 | stew, |
| 13:30.48 | minerale | dewi: again, a socks proxy does not forward the dns requests, those are blocked. Does a VPN forward those ? |
| 13:30.52 | scandrou2 | stew, same error when doing grub-install |
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| 13:31.00 | Dewi | most VPN sis pretty easy to spot |
| 13:31.06 | Dewi | they are kind of the opposite of stenography |
| 13:31.13 | waiting | :) |
| 13:31.28 | Dewi | what with the conspicuous IP headers and all |
| 13:31.29 | stew | scandrou2: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:31.30 | quitte | hi. i can't get the abiword spellchecker to work. |
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| 13:31.54 | scandrou2 | stew, Knoppix:/# uname -r |
| 13:31.54 | scandrou2 | 2.6.11 |
| 13:31.55 | Dewi | minerale: I'm afraid I don't believe you |
| 13:32.07 | Dewi | minerale: proxies work where no internet connection exists |
| 13:32.11 | Dewi | minerale: apart from the proxy |
| 13:32.17 | Dewi | minerale: they don't just fail to proxy DNS |
| 13:32.51 | stew | scandrou2: is /dev --bind mounted or are you trying to use the /dev from the debian system? |
| 13:33.50 | Dewi | minerale: and most VPNs would be instantly recognisable to the authorities |
| 13:33.57 | minerale | dewi: Again, a proxy only forwards tcp connections, and not dns querries, tor has a big problem with this too and it's on their todo list |
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| 13:34.16 | minerale | dewi: ok, my friend is american anyhow |
| 13:34.22 | Dewi | minerale: I have used SOCKS and HTTP proxies many times when I had no DNS at all |
| 13:34.46 | Dewi | minerale: back before NAT was popular this was extremely common |
| 13:35.02 | scandrou2 | stew, I did: mount --bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev before to chroot /mnt/debian/ |
| 13:35.31 | stew | scandrou2: hrm. i dunno. maybe ask #grub |
| 13:35.55 | scandrou2 | stew, I have been there but noone could help me. |
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| 13:36.00 | minerale | dewi: you are wrong on this, dns requests are not forwarded, and I'm telling you because I can't get a socks proxy to work from china due to dns |
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| 13:36.14 | scandrou2 | stew, thanks for trying |
| 13:36.31 | Dewi | minerale: a DNS request can easily be proxied via SOCKS. And with a HTTP proxy no DNS lookup occurs at all. |
| 13:36.37 | minerale | how ? |
| 13:36.42 | Dewi | minerale: the hostname is simply used in the request to the proxy |
| 13:37.06 | Dewi | if your client is doing DNS requests when it is supposed to be using a proxy then your client software has a bug |
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| 13:37.33 | selim | hi can someone help me with a little question about pppoe configuration manually, I try to change the username of a sdsl connection is it sufficant to change the chap-secrets username and change the user: entry in the peers/options file? |
| 13:37.39 | selim | or do I have to do some other changes then after changing this two files? |
| 13:37.47 | minerale | TOR uses a socks proxy as well, right? Here's from TOR: "DNS LEAKS: It is important to note, as with many anonymous web surfing systems, direct DNS requests are usually still performed by many applications, without using the Tor proxy. Solutions such as the previously mentioned Privoxy or using the command 'torify' included with the Tor distribution are possible solutions to this problem." |
| 13:38.02 | xopher | If I apt-get source -b a package, will anyone with the same architecture be able to use it? |
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| 13:39.27 | Dewi | minerale: "by many applications" ie ones with bugs. |
| 13:39.34 | Pryon | Is it not possible, once connected to a VPN to force all connections to use a particular gateway? In this case, the default gateway set up for the VPN? |
| 13:39.42 | Dewi | minerale: if you want to stop it from happening simply disable DNS |
| 13:39.46 | Dewi | minerale: then it will have to use the proxy |
| 13:40.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | im in a bit of trouble, my debian server should be set it and forget it, so auto updates (that includes the kernel ofcourse), but at the samethime, i need an edited kernel (some features should be build in, not module) is there an way to combine that, like edit the kernel 1 time and the next kernel will be configured the same? |
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| 13:40.17 | Dewi | Pryon: yes, in windows you would check that "use default gateway on remote network" box, but I've never connected with anything but windows |
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| 13:40.45 | blondie | Pryon: yes, you need to play with teh route comamnd |
| 13:40.49 | Pryon | I would think it could be done merely by editing the routing table to exclude all other gateways |
| 13:40.50 | blondie | +spelling |
| 13:40.54 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: what do you need built in that doesnt work with modules and initrd? |
| 13:40.59 | Pryon | exactly blondie |
| 13:41.18 | Dewi | Pryon: assign the VPN interface a lower metric |
| 13:41.27 | Dewi | Pryon: it should be favoured |
| 13:41.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, to use the standatrt initrd of EVMS i need things like raid and dm and such build in |
| 13:41.34 | Dewi | you don't need to remove all other routes |
| 13:41.37 | Pryon | So is that not minerale's solution? |
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| 13:42.03 | Dewi | Pryon: no, minerale is wanting to set a VPN because "proxies don't proxy DNS lookups" |
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| 13:42.22 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: uhm i dont know about evms but lvm on raid works for me without trouble. |
| 13:42.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, have a look at: http://evms.sourceforge.net/install/root.html, or should i edit the initrd, becaus that initrd should replace the standart one |
| 13:43.00 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: you are using evms from source? |
| 13:43.09 | DJ-Marcuzz | nope debian one |
| 13:44.19 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: i guess you should ask #debian-boot on oftc. |
| 13:46.18 | minerale | I just installed opevpn but got disconnected at the blue screen, when i try to install it again, I do not get the configure screen? |
| 13:46.31 | minerale | how can I bring that up again? |
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| 13:46.39 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: i don't see how evms isany better than just using raid and lvm, which just works. maybe you want to do that instead? |
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| 13:47.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, that would be an pain in the ass to keep track off when having 16 disks! |
| 13:48.33 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: ok. ask #debian-boot on oftc then how to get evms_activate into the ramdisk. |
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| 13:53.20 | incorrect | is there a howto for exim exim-conf options ? |
| 13:53.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, and just building the drivers into the kernel instead of editing the initrd? |
| 13:53.48 | petemc | incorrect: tldp has a decent exim guide |
| 13:53.57 | petemc | incorrect: not related to debian tho |
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| 13:54.08 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: i don't see how you could have automatic kernel updates that way |
| 13:54.29 | incorrect | petemc: im after the config options i can put into the exim4-conf tool |
| 13:54.55 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: the initrd is built for your specific system. t least on etc. but i think that is the case on sarge,too. so you just have to modify the way it is built and it soul support evms. |
| 13:55.06 | quitte | s/etc/etch |
| 13:55.09 | botox | hi, for some reason, when i try to start tomcat5 from /etc/init.d, it just dosent start |
| 13:55.14 | petemc | incorrect: debconf? /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/ |
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| 13:55.35 | petemc | incorrect: tho, the questions should really be self explanatory... |
| 13:55.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, well i tryd the initrd edit and it blew up (no big deal im doing tests in vmware) soo its not easy to edit that |
| 13:55.45 | wycats | I tried to use locate, but it tells me it can't find the db... |
| 13:55.48 | petemc | unless you know exactly nothing about how mail works.. |
| 13:55.52 | wycats | what do I need to do to activate the locate db |
| 13:55.53 | bintut | hello.. |
| 13:55.57 | petemc | wycats: updatedb |
| 13:56.09 | incorrect | that doesn't really tell me all the options that go into /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 13:56.14 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: you are not supposed to edit it. the way it is generated has to be changed |
| 13:56.14 | wycats | how long does it normally take? |
| 13:56.30 | bintut | how will i know why my /dev/lp0 is busy? i mean, what shall i do in order to know what makes my /dev/lp0 busy? |
| 13:56.34 | botox | 19 Jul 2006 13:54:41 org.apache.coyote.tomcat5.CoyoteConnector stop |
| 13:56.34 | botox | SEVERE: Coyote connector has not been started |
| 13:56.41 | petemc | incorrect: nothing in /use/share/doc/exim* ? |
| 13:56.51 | wycats | Also... I'm trying to use this script: http://nshb.net/lighttpd-restart-script.html but I'm not sure where the default directories are for some things... |
| 13:57.16 | wycats | like cat |
| 13:57.22 | petemc | which cat |
| 13:57.34 | wycats | the one that's normally here "/bin/cat" |
| 13:57.43 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.43 | petemc | /bin/cat |
| 13:57.43 | wycats | it's there... |
| 13:57.44 | wycats | ;) |
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| 13:58.18 | scandrou | I am trying to burn the debian net install cd from knoppix using k3b. I get an error, it ask me to lower burning speed, even when it is at 1x |
| 13:58.48 | botox | scandrou, use a punchcard |
| 13:59.02 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: man mkinitramfs might be a good starting point. |
| 13:59.27 | wycats | And where can I find lighttpd.pid? |
| 14:00.06 | botox | wycats find / -print | grep lighttpd.pid |
| 14:00.16 | wycats | can I do locate lighttpd.pid? |
| 14:00.50 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: i guess you want to use sarge. have a look here. http://wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions. |
| 14:01.08 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: as i understand it with newer kernels it just works |
| 14:01.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx, ill experiment with it ;) |
| 14:02.22 | LaoTseu | does somebody uses an "NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300" video chipset with debian ? just want to buy a new laptop and I would like if i'm going to have troubles |
| 14:02.41 | cahoot | wycats: pgrep http |
| 14:02.41 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:02.41 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 14:03.13 | LaoTseu | hooo thx abrotman |
| 14:03.16 | abrotman | !laptop =~ s# , #/ # |
| 14:03.16 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 14:03.17 | wycats | pgrep? |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:03.19 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 14:04.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, i think i will end up editing the kernel and just do manual kernel updates :-/ |
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| 14:05.21 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: i'd end up using etch. |
| 14:05.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, why? |
| 14:05.59 | wycats | hmm... |
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| 14:06.49 | wycats | The script is doing this: http://pastie.caboo.se/5188 |
| 14:06.56 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: it works quite good. and i have no idea about how initrds are generated with sarge. also you want to forget the system asap? sarge will be oldstable when etch is ready. |
| 14:07.00 | wycats | any way I can simulate that via pgrep? |
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| 14:07.05 | MannieX | hi at all |
| 14:07.11 | MannieX | i have one question |
| 14:07.11 | wycats | can I get pgrep to return 0 if nothing is found? |
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| 14:07.33 | MannieX | there is a command like base-config for sid ? |
| 14:07.52 | azeem | MannieX: no, what do you need? |
| 14:07.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, it would be possible to upgrade sarge to edge when edge is stable not? |
| 14:08.04 | MannieX | a command like this |
| 14:08.06 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: and thre is a evms-udeb. s the instaler has evms support |
| 14:08.09 | MannieX | *that |
| 14:08.20 | cahoot | wycats: 0 One or more processes matched the criteria. - straight from the manpage |
| 14:08.30 | azeem | MannieX: base-config is a meta-command, what exactly do you need configured? |
| 14:08.45 | MannieX | all |
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| 14:08.53 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: yes it is possible. but as you are trying in vmware anyways - give the etch installer a try. |
| 14:09.10 | wycats | Can I get it to return something if nothing is found? |
| 14:09.10 | MannieX | anything fo install the pakage immediatly |
| 14:09.31 | azeem | which package? |
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| 14:10.07 | MannieX | azeem: i'm asking for a friend, please wait that i said to him to connect here |
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| 14:10.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, whats an udeb?? or better hwtas the difference betwean evms and evms-udeb? |
| 14:10.29 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: ugh, sorry. sarge seems to have that,too |
| 14:10.33 | stew | DJ-Marcuzz: /msg dpkg udeb |
| 14:10.37 | stew | MannieX: /msg dpkg base-config |
| 14:10.42 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've linked my laptop to the desktop via bluetooth (by Network Access Point service) how do i share desktop connection with the lap ? |
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| 14:10.59 | wycats | can I do `pgrep lighttpd || 0` |
| 14:11.08 | MannieX | FaBBio: ask at azeem |
| 14:11.17 | FaBBio | hi all, there's a substitute for base-config in sid? |
| 14:11.32 | MsgToThePpl | or at least test the link between the machines ? (the windows one says ip 169.*.*.* etc autatically assigned) |
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| 14:11.33 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: try the expert26 installer option. there is a menu option to load installer components. there you might be able to load a evms-udeb andhave it all ready in the installer |
| 14:11.37 | stew | FaBBio: there is not a substitute: /msg dpkg base-config |
| 14:11.52 | azeem | FaBBio: what part of base-config do you need? |
| 14:12.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, one moemnt, ill restart the sim |
| 14:12.15 | FaBBio | package selection |
| 14:12.17 | FaBBio | for install |
| 14:12.28 | abrotman | tasksel ? |
| 14:12.30 | stew | FaBBio: run "aptitude" or "tasksel" |
| 14:12.31 | abrotman | aptitude ? |
| 14:12.39 | fauxalliance | Hello, anyone having troubles on unstable with wpa_supplicant? It was working fine, now it can handshake and stuff, but as soon as i call dhclient everything gets unhappy |
| 14:12.41 | wycats | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.46 | wycats | when I try to run my script |
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| 14:12.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, could you give any hints on where to find it in the installer? (and not to forget, im using the netinstall of sarge |
| 14:13.56 | FaBBio | with tasksel, i got error 255 |
| 14:14.06 | azeem | FaBBio: instantly? |
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| 14:14.08 | pdani_ | hi |
| 14:14.11 | azeem | FaBBio: did you run it as root? |
| 14:14.12 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: sorry,no. but it shouldn'T be too hard to find. |
| 14:14.21 | FaBBio | azeem, no |
| 14:14.27 | azeem | FaBBio: you need to be root |
| 14:14.38 | FaBBio | azeem, i got the error after the selection |
| 14:14.41 | pdani_ | how can i tell to make, that i want to make the .o files and the executables to a specified directory, not to the source tree? |
| 14:14.44 | FaBBio | i'm root |
| 14:14.46 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: the expert installer drops you in the main menu after every step anyways. but you have to load the udeb before partitioning i guess |
| 14:14.54 | Arafangion | Hello, what might be wrong here? |
| 14:14.55 | Arafangion | http://rafb.net/paste/results/MA3Jw120.html |
| 14:14.59 | azeem | FaBBio: anything else except the error? |
| 14:15.05 | azeem | can you paste the output to a pastebing? |
| 14:15.09 | Arafangion | I am attempting to synchronise two imap servers. |
| 14:15.28 | FaBBio | azeem, in italian: tasksel: aptitude ha dato errore (255) |
| 14:15.33 | Arafangion | My passwords have lots of strange characters. |
| 14:15.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, do i need to get an shell or what |
| 14:15.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | ? |
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| 14:16.24 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: i dont think so. |
| 14:16.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte found |
| 14:16.34 | azeem | FaBBio: run tasksel again as "LANG=C tasksel" |
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| 14:16.40 | azeem | then paste the output to a pastebin |
| 14:17.05 | Arafangion | Any suggestions? |
| 14:17.11 | wycats | http://pastie.caboo.se/5191 |
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| 14:17.46 | FaBBio | azeem, tasksel: aptitude failed (255) |
| 14:18.03 | azeem | FaBBio: if you start aptitude, does it work fine? |
| 14:18.11 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: keep me updated. i have a six disk system here that i still havent made my final decision for how to set itup,yet. |
| 14:18.22 | FaBBio | i get gpg error when update |
| 14:18.30 | FaBBio | azeem, could be this? |
| 14:18.34 | azeem | maybe, yes |
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| 14:18.48 | Bitz_ | hi, anyone familar with ipmi? |
| 14:18.49 | azeem | !2006 key |
| 14:18.50 | dpkg | 2006 key is probably apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 14:18.55 | azeem | FaBBio: ^^ try that |
| 14:18.58 | minerale | Hi, is there a PPTP server that works in linux ? |
| 14:19.35 | scandrou | can the cable going from my motherboard to the HDD have more than 2 HDD attached? |
| 14:19.40 | Shadowcat | anybody see a condition where an external monitor connected to a laptop literally looses the last line printed on the console? |
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| 14:19.50 | wycats | ? |
| 14:19.55 | quitte | scandrou: if it is ide, no |
| 14:20.08 | Arafangion | *sigh*, how the heck do I migrate my emails? |
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| 14:20.40 | quitte | Arafangion: move to an imap server - move to new mail client |
| 14:21.05 | Arafangion | quitte: I'm already using imap. I want to migrate to _another_ imap. |
| 14:21.16 | scandrou | quitte: same for cd drive? |
| 14:21.26 | sander85 | hey, i have here debian server that has ldap in use.. and i want to add one more user into registry.. googled a lot but didn't find good example, how to do it :S |
| 14:21.27 | Arafangion | quitte: The trouble is that Thunderbird keeps timeing out when I try to move the emails. |
| 14:21.30 | quitte | Arafangion: cant you just add both servers in the email app and move them all? |
| 14:21.37 | quitte | scandrou: yes |
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| 14:21.45 | Arafangion | quitte: I can... but only for the small folders. |
| 14:22.04 | Arafangion | quitte: Say, a few hundred emails. The ones containing a few thousand emails can't be done in thunderbird. |
| 14:22.24 | Arafangion | quitte: So I'm trying imapsync - but that fails too, with: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MA3Jw120.html |
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| 14:23.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, can it be that if you loaded the EVMS module that you cant click it? becaus when i click it it just skipts to the next chapter |
| 14:23.46 | quitte | Arafangion: that message is quite verbose |
| 14:24.33 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: you have to mark the partitions to use for evms i guess. set it to whatever the correct partition type is. |
| 14:24.54 | FaBBio | azeem, tasksel is working |
| 14:25.07 | FaBBio | azeem, it was the key |
| 14:25.10 | FaBBio | thanks |
| 14:25.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | hehe quitte, i need evms later on, not now alraidy, but ill try to get the whole stuff working |
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| 14:25.43 | Arafangion | quitte: Yes, but unfortunately it doesn't help with actually solving the problem :( |
| 14:25.46 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: if you want evms on root you should really get that done first. |
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| 14:26.18 | quitte | Arafangion: cant you change the authntication type with imapsync? |
| 14:26.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, thee is no way of starting evms out of the partitioner, but i think there is from a shell |
| 14:26.57 | wycats | Where does a shell script get its path from? |
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| 14:27.29 | Arafangion | quitte: I have. |
| 14:27.37 | Arafangion | quitte: I specified ssl, with --ssl2 |
| 14:27.40 | quitte | Arafangion: the -ssl2? |
| 14:27.47 | Arafangion | Yes |
| 14:27.56 | quitte | Arafangion: is there a way to set it for the hosts individually? |
| 14:28.28 | quitte | Arafangion: seems it uses it only for host1 |
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| 14:29.33 | Arafangion | quitte: --ssl1 sets it for host1, --ssl2 sets it for host2 |
| 14:29.34 | quitte | Arafangion: sorry, that was nonsense |
| 14:29.48 | b_52Free | how to remove a bind installation debian and all the modification that have been maded on the system ! |
| 14:29.49 | Arafangion | quitte: My suspicion is that it's chokcing on my rather unusual password. |
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| 14:30.08 | petemc | b_52Free: apt-get --purge remove bind9 |
| 14:30.11 | quitte | Arafangion: 3 BAD Invalid characters in atom? yes. might well be. |
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| 14:31.34 | b_52Free | Suppression de bind9 ... |
| 14:31.35 | b_52Free | Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 14:32.08 | Arafangion | quitte: You wouldn't happen to know how the heck one escapes them? It's a perl script. |
| 14:33.41 | Arafangion | quitte: Well, I should head off to bed. Thanks for helping out - made me feel less frustrated. :) |
| 14:33.42 | quitte | Arafangion: no. but a lot of people in here know. |
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| 14:36.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, the expert option gives me SOOOO much options, im scared i select the wrong ones :| |
| 14:37.23 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: then don't use it |
| 14:37.52 | XJih78 | hi guys |
| 14:37.55 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: The wise administrator performs a test before doing it on production machines. |
| 14:37.59 | XJih78 | i've got a problem with lvm |
| 14:38.09 | XJih78 | actually with the ramdisk or with the grub |
| 14:38.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, what do you think im doing.........im working in VMWARE! |
| 14:38.43 | XJih78 | it loads the ext2 ramdisk but it cannot find vgchange and vgscan |
| 14:38.44 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:39.11 | Arafangion | *things |
| 14:39.22 | XJih78 | i mounted the ramdisk on my current root filesystem and the files are there in sbin and the /linuxrc file is intact |
| 14:39.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, get the EVMS initrd to work |
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| 14:39.45 | XJih78 | im trying to figure out what's causing this error |
| 14:39.51 | wycats | Is there any reason this syntax is invalid: if [ 0 -eq $PID ]; then |
| 14:39.55 | quitte | DJ-Marcuzz: you are scared to break your virtual machine? go ahead and get rid of the fear. |
| 14:40.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, well it still takes half an hour to setup and with this heat, yes im scared to break it :P |
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| 14:40.44 | XJih78 | VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) /linuxrc: line 3: /sbin/vgscan: no such file or directory |
| 14:40.51 | XJih78 | the same goes for vgchange |
| 14:41.01 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: You're not using snapshots? |
| 14:41.08 | fauxalliance | anyone having trouble with wpa_supplicant and dhcp, never was a problem until a dist-upgrade last week. |
| 14:41.10 | wycats | ?? |
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| 14:41.37 | XJih78 | and then VFS: Cannot open root device "mapper/<the-device>" or unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 14:42.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, explain (A) |
| 14:43.25 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: If something goes wrong, you can revert to a known good configuration. |
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| 14:44.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | ill try that button in a vew seconds Arafangion |
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| 14:44.50 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: It's nearly the only reason why I would consider using an emualtor. |
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| 14:44.57 | abrotman | wycats: ask #bash |
| 14:45.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, my reason was: i did not have an pc with 14 disks, an extra pc would generate to much heat in my room, and i didn't want to switch screens so often :D |
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| 14:46.12 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Pfft, use VNC. |
| 14:46.21 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: As for 14 discs... why would you need that many? |
| 14:46.37 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Most OS's, plus room for data (for experimentation purposes) only need about 3G. |
| 14:46.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | becaus the production machine im building is going to get so much |
| 14:47.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | and im testing EVMS so i need to simulate the disks |
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| 14:47.52 | Arafangion | DJ-Marcuzz: Can't you do it on a per-partition basis? |
| 14:48.28 | quitte | i just built my own scooter for the experienced and im scared to be seen with it: http://www.bmx-zone.com/articlePic.php?id=416 |
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| 14:48.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | Arafangion, when i can use simulated disks? no i alraidy dd one half complete simulation on partition base but now i really like to do it this way, and its not even slow |
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| 14:49.31 | Arafangion | quitte: Damn your camera sucks, or else your graphics skills are worse :) |
| 14:49.52 | Arafangion | quitte: And I believe that's a unicycle, not a scooter. |
| 14:50.06 | quitte | Arafangion: i didn'T make that pic |
| 14:50.23 | Arafangion | quitte: _sure_. |
| 14:50.33 | quitte | Arafangion: that thing has a name? it doesn'T have pedals, you know. it's just a for a bar and a wheel. |
| 14:50.50 | quitte | s/for/fork |
| 14:50.51 | Arafangion | quitte: Hmm, it's not a cycle then, either. |
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| 14:53.37 | itsjustme | with kernel 2.6.17, how does audio work? I think I may have broke it even tho it works in gnome apps |
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| 14:54.28 | letto | what is it with all these partition table types ? |
| 14:54.54 | itsjustme | is there something i must do to make it work ? |
| 14:55.11 | quitte | letto: use dos if you are on a pc |
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| 14:55.50 | Gathond | letto: if you don't know what to choose on a PC DOS is probably right year |
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| 14:56.45 | letto | is there anywhere i can read about those? |
| 14:57.06 | selim | hi can someone help me with a little question about pppoe configuration manually, I try to change the username of a sdsl connection is it sufficant to change the chap-secrets username and change the user: entry in the peers/options file? |
| 14:57.07 | letto | cause i don't seem to find any info whatsoever |
| 14:58.41 | waiting | selim: grep -r <user> /etc/ppp/ |
| 14:58.44 | waiting | selim: ;) |
| 14:59.57 | selim | waiting: ok, so you want to tell me it's just a user change in the /ppp directory correct? |
| 15:00.49 | waiting | selim: yes. the rationale is: ppp/ is the subdirectory in /etc holding configuration for PPP connections. _if_ this does not render all places, _then_ the system is inconsistent |
| 15:01.50 | waiting | selim: since /etc/ppp has special access rights, it would be very ... unexpected for any other place to hold account information |
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| 15:02.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | quitte, when i need an kernel source, should i pull that of apt, or the much newer one from kernel.org? |
| 15:02.53 | selim | waiting: thank you, that's the information I wanted, I expected the same but was not really sure hadn't have done pppoe for a long time |
| 15:03.09 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: you should answer that question for yourself |
| 15:03.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | what doyou guys recommend |
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| 15:04.01 | azeem | it depends on your specific situation and needs |
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| 15:04.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem i need an kernel soyurce and it needs to be an stable one :S |
| 15:04.41 | azeem | so you the stable one. |
| 15:04.46 | azeem | eh, s/you/use/ |
| 15:04.54 | waiting | DJ-Marcuzz: use 2.0.38 :))) it's very stable |
| 15:05.03 | waiting | DJ-Marcuzz: <jk> |
| 15:05.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | :P |
| 15:05.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, and witch one is stable the 2.6.15? |
| 15:05.58 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: I don't understand your question |
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| 15:06.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, is the 2.6.15 stable? |
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| 15:06.29 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: 2.6.15 has two known local root exploits |
| 15:06.48 | azeem | otherwise, it might be somewhat stabel |
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| 15:06.57 | azeem | there's different degrees of stability, you know |
| 15:07.22 | fauxalliance | oh dear, wpa_supplicant works fine, it is dhclient (bcm43xx) causing trouble. |
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| 15:08.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, ill take the 2.6.8 source of apt then |
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| 15:10.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, why isn't the kernel source extracted when you get it of apt :S |
| 15:11.26 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: why do you ask me? |
| 15:11.42 | DJ-Marcuzz | maybe you know.. |
| 15:12.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | and my last one, whats the difference betwean the source and the headers? |
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| 15:13.02 | azeem | the source has the full source, the headers only includes the headers |
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| 15:13.09 | jair | hello guys, I am using a proxy server on the company I work, and I have to add on the /etc/apt/apt.conf a lnie like this: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://andrew\jbolivar:"C@racas1"@aopproxy.andrew.com:8080"; |
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| 15:13.25 | azeem | if you want to build an external module, you usually only need the headers, not the full source in order to build it |
| 15:13.28 | jair | assuming that C@racas is my password |
| 15:13.50 | jair | do you notice the character is an special, and i continue getting an error |
| 15:14.07 | syntaxx | x.org running fine now in nvidia? and sarge? or is it still on testing? |
| 15:14.08 | azeem | jair: did you try not using @ in the password? |
| 15:14.32 | azeem | syntaxx: I don't understand your question, do you talka about sarge or testing? |
| 15:14.43 | jair | azeem: but I want to use it, it is a requeriment on the network, the proxy is on a windows network and it is a windows proxy |
| 15:15.13 | jair | let say that andrew is the domain controller on windows |
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| 15:15.28 | jair | aopproxy.andrew.com:8080 this is the proxy |
| 15:15.38 | azeem | well, I don't know |
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| 15:16.11 | jair | azeem: if I use the letters with not character it works but with character does not |
| 15:16.25 | syntaxx | azeem, i mean im on sarge i just wanna know if xorg runs fine in sarge now.. coz last time i think xorg is testing/unstable |
| 15:16.40 | jair | it should be a way I can tell the system %$#@ that this are use as letters too. |
| 15:17.56 | azeem | syntaxx: sarge does not get new package |
| 15:17.57 | azeem | s |
| 15:18.36 | azeem | syntaxx: what is the problem with X in sarge? |
| 15:19.13 | syntaxx | azeem, nothing really i just wanna know whats the diff of xfree and xorg ^^ |
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| 15:20.27 | cydork | jair : you can try entering the hexcode i guess |
| 15:20.28 | azeem | syntaxx: it's the same codebase |
| 15:20.45 | wycats | What's the python package called for Debian? |
| 15:20.59 | azeem | wycats: python |
| 15:21.31 | syntaxx | azeem, so no difference between them except for the name :D |
| 15:21.46 | kristalino | i got a problem with sixxs : aiccu just starts fine, but i can't ping sixxs ipv6 router. The route seems ok tho. Any ideas ? |
| 15:21.51 | azeem | there have been some improvements since |
| 15:22.18 | syntaxx | azeem, whats the major improvements though |
| 15:22.43 | jair | cydork: what do you mean? |
| 15:22.49 | jair | how can I hash that? |
| 15:23.07 | jair | cydork: it could work it is true and will be better I think |
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| 15:23.57 | cydork | jair: it should work. |
| 15:24.03 | jair | cydork: how can I create the hex code of a password? |
| 15:24.05 | daxxar | What happened to the php5-mysqli-package? |
| 15:24.12 | cydork | jair: not the whole thing. |
| 15:24.36 | jair | let say from the example I gave "C@racas1" |
| 15:24.40 | cydork | jair: just the special character. |
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| 15:24.54 | daxxar | !dpkg php5-mysqli sid |
| 15:24.58 | jair | cydork: but if I want the whole thind I can do it as well right? |
| 15:25.13 | cydork | jair: i guess so. |
| 15:26.27 | cydork | jair: but try something like %40 for @ |
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| 15:28.58 | jair | cydork: how did you create the hex code>? |
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| 15:29.34 | Defty | hello... is it possible to use apt to install packages for a different architecture (as with dpkg-cross)? |
| 15:29.40 | wycats | Is there a python-subversion package |
| 15:29.57 | petemc | !tell wycats about search |
| 15:29.58 | jair | I know it is a tool on Debian that with the command line I can get the hex code |
| 15:30.18 | jair | how can I change a word with special characters to hex? |
| 15:30.21 | wycats | petemc: thx! |
| 15:30.36 | jair | using the terminal console on Linux/ |
| 15:30.37 | jair | ? |
| 15:30.48 | cydork | jair: which is that? |
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| 15:31.20 | waiting | jair: waht is a "hex code"? |
| 15:31.25 | waiting | jair: .)) |
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| 15:31.32 | jair | waiting: hexadecimal |
| 15:31.39 | waiting | jair: of the letters? |
| 15:31.51 | waiting | jair: i.e. print char numbers as hex? |
| 15:33.21 | cydork | jair: i only know about ascii |
| 15:33.54 | CyberMad | when do apt-get install <packagename> |
| 15:34.03 | CyberMad | where the *.deb is stored? |
| 15:34.38 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.44 | CyberMad | thanks :) |
| 15:34.49 | jair | cydork: I put the hex and did not work :( |
| 15:35.26 | jair | debian only use passwords with letters? does not recognize special characters? |
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| 15:36.05 | waiting | jair ^^?%) |
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| 15:36.45 | cydork | jair: it's not related to debian, it's related to URI http://rfc.sunsite.dk/rfc/rfc2396.html |
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| 15:37.05 | jair | cydork: I will check |
| 15:38.27 | waiting | ahh thats what you want |
| 15:38.33 | waiting | hex codes for URLs |
| 15:39.21 | waiting | perl -e 'map{printf"%%%02X",ord($_)}split//,"secret:-)"' |
| 15:39.24 | waiting | :P |
| 15:40.41 | cydork | waiting :) |
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| 15:41.59 | hans67521 | why should someone move from linux 2.4 to 2.6 networking performance wise |
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| 15:43.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm when i rip apart the kernel now, and there comes a new kernel, i need to get that source then and rebuild the kernel, but can i copy the config of this kernel then or do i need to rip the new one apart to? |
| 15:43.47 | hans67521 | why should someone move from linux 2.4 to 2.6 networking performance wise |
| 15:44.03 | Ronin | patience hans67521 |
| 15:44.09 | markybob | hans67521, go read. http://developer.osdl.org/~shemminger/LWE2005_TCP.pdf |
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| 15:44.39 | cephexin | i the best in Linux |
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| 15:45.51 | cephexin | mm.. does any body read ? |
| 15:45.54 | hans67521 | gr8 thanks |
| 15:45.55 | eps_ | no |
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| 15:46.06 | eps_ | what is the option for glxgears that lets you see the fps readout? |
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| 15:47.00 | hans67521 | there is a program Salesassist which uses linux but for some reason it onlt work with linux 2.4 and SUSE 7.3 NO Other LINUX KERNEL WORK ON IT WHY? |
| 15:47.01 | waiting | eps: so I am not the only one who wonders where it went :o |
| 15:47.01 | letto | if i use -T largefile4 on mke2fs will all files have at least 4mb? |
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| 15:47.32 | eps | waiting: they turned it into a switch...but it doesn't accept a --help switch and it doesn't have a man page so I always forget it |
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| 15:47.52 | waiting | eps: mine has a manpage but it does not mention such an option |
| 15:48.13 | eps | waiting: it's some thing like --showfp |
| 15:48.17 | eps | but I can't remember/guess it |
| 15:48.26 | waiting | eps: Warrning: unknown parameter: --showfp |
| 15:48.33 | waiting | weird |
| 15:48.37 | eps | yeah |
| 15:48.52 | cydork | eps: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 15:48.55 | eps | thats it, -printfps |
| 15:48.55 | Nikoladze | hey all, I'm trying to do a sarge i386 net install, the initial installation from cdrom went ok, but when I boot up into it for the rest of the setup apt says I need to set the APT::Force-LoopBreak option, which apparently shouldn't happen |
| 15:49.06 | eps | lol yeah :P |
| 15:49.27 | eps | you don't need the first part :P |
| 15:49.46 | hans67521 | there is a program Salesassist which uses linux but for some reason it onlt work with linux 2.4 and SUSE 7.3 NO Other LINUX KERNEL WORK ON IT WHY? |
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| 15:50.03 | cydork | eps: try it ;) |
| 15:50.07 | Ronin | hans67521: try waiting more then 2 minutes before repeating :) |
| 15:50.11 | petemc | hans67521: best to ask developers of Salesassist |
| 15:50.30 | cydork | eps: the whole whole thing "glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark". |
| 15:51.06 | waiting | cydork: roootfl :))) |
| 15:51.12 | hans67521 | well they say that the binary of the software is compiled to work with on that kernel which is the kernel SUSE 7.3 works with |
| 15:51.15 | eps | haha I'll take -printfps over that :P |
| 15:51.32 | hans67521 | i want to get the software to work with Debian |
| 15:51.33 | eps | I get 658x fps with my 6600gt |
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| 15:51.39 | waiting | eps: :OOO |
| 15:51.52 | waiting | something is not right here ^^ |
| 15:51.56 | cydork | eps: sissy :P |
| 15:52.21 | eps | that is around 150-200 fps over before (just upgraded from a 2100+ 1.73 to a 2400+ (o/c'ed) 2.32ghx |
| 15:52.40 | eps | 155x15 for the oc |
| 15:52.51 | eps | (yes I am now a ricer windows user...I have some over clocked hw) |
| 15:53.03 | eps | only problem is eve online seems to crash when trying to play |
| 15:53.05 | hans67521 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.19 | eps | not sure if it is a result of cedega being crap or my overclocking |
| 15:53.19 | hans67521 | and printing is a problem |
| 15:53.24 | petemc | hans67521: so theres your answer |
| 15:53.33 | hans67521 | ? |
| 15:53.57 | petemc | a hoy hoy |
| 15:54.51 | hans67521 | is that true that the it is compiled to work with only that distro |
| 15:55.27 | petemc | hans67521: it probably relies on some interface that only exists in that version of the kernel |
| 15:55.39 | eps | lol eve crashed again |
| 15:55.44 | eps | silly over clocking |
| 15:55.51 | cydork | eps :) |
| 15:56.25 | eps | mmm how odd |
| 15:56.44 | eps | it seems to run for the same length each time I run it (and crashes in completely different areas) |
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| 15:57.20 | hans67521 | whell only ssh |
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| 15:57.23 | chugga | when was the last stable release? |
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| 15:57.31 | eps | ages ago |
| 15:57.33 | eps | see wikipedia |
| 15:57.38 | petemc | june 2005 |
| 15:57.38 | eps | for correct date |
| 15:57.47 | chugga | hmm. |
| 15:58.05 | hans67521 | coz the clients connect to the server via SSH Client of terminal Emulator |
| 15:58.11 | chugga | im having trouble with my testing install. would like to clear and install stable, but what ive just heard is far from comforting |
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| 15:58.42 | Ronin | chugga: pretty much only one way to downgrade |
| 15:58.49 | waiting | chugga: what has it been that disturbed you? |
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| 15:59.00 | hans67521 | printing to local printets are also a problem via the emulator |
| 15:59.02 | waiting | ah you do not want to re-install |
| 15:59.24 | Ronin | or do you suffer from the latest and greatest syndrome? ;) |
| 15:59.37 | Spec | I have a very small debian installed and now it needs to be able to run Oracle's GUI installer. What packages should I install(i want the least amount of packages) to be able to export my X over to X running on another machine via ssh? |
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| 15:59.40 | eps | I do! *hugs his amd 2400+*! |
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| 15:59.52 | chugga | waiting, i havent updated in a while and today i wished to install a package and ran into some package problems |
| 16:00.04 | chugga | Ronin, thankfully not any more. i just want a working system! |
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| 16:00.27 | sgeigerbot | My ppp connection keeps getting dropped, apparently due to a lcp termreq packet. Has anyone dealt with this? I'm wondering if I can't use iptables to block this packet. |
| 16:00.28 | Ronin | chugga: its not called stable for nothing :) and its not really too out of date |
| 16:00.57 | chugga | Ronin, true enough. is there a date on the next release? i would be happy to wait if its a few months |
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| 16:01.45 | Eniac_Petrov | helooo to all |
| 16:01.54 | amphi | chugga: there are always backports for the odd thing you need a newer version of, on stable |
| 16:01.56 | Ronin | chugga: now that i cant say, but im sure someone here will give you the guestimate |
| 16:02.01 | Eniac_Petrov | can you help me about ine problem? |
| 16:02.14 | Eniac_Petrov | *one |
| 16:02.26 | blondie | Eniac_Petrov: not unless you say what it is :) |
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| 16:02.41 | chugga | amphi, right, i'll look into these backports. Thanks guys. |
| 16:02.44 | Eniac_Petrov | hah, ok. 10x |
| 16:02.55 | Eniac_Petrov | I am newbye in Debian |
| 16:03.09 | blondie | 10x? |
| 16:03.16 | Eniac_Petrov | and I have installed debian with netinstall |
| 16:03.20 | Ronin | blondie: 10 x what? |
| 16:03.21 | amphi | chugga: backports.org - for instance, I'm running the corg backport here, as it supports 3d accel for my old radeon; it works well |
| 16:03.25 | Eniac_Petrov | but where is my X server? |
| 16:03.27 | amphi | *xorg |
| 16:03.36 | Ronin | Eniac_Petrov: not installed yet most likely |
| 16:04.01 | Eniac_Petrov | and, I have installed debian from business card |
| 16:04.12 | blondie | Ronin: ask Eniac_Petrov! |
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| 16:04.26 | blondie | that's what I want to know |
| 16:04.34 | cydork | Eniac_Pertrov: run tasksel !! |
| 16:05.08 | Eniac_Petrov | cydork, maybe is it a command? - package manager |
| 16:05.16 | Eniac_Petrov | or gonfurure toll? |
| 16:05.37 | Eniac_Petrov | *configure |
| 16:05.52 | Eniac_Petrov | thanks |
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| 16:08.57 | chugga | amphi, that looks cool. is it hard to get apt to use backports? |
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| 16:10.49 | Ronin | chugga: theres an entire website devoted to setting backports up |
| 16:10.55 | agney | how can I set my monitor to not shut down. I already tried xset -dpms and it does not work |
| 16:10.56 | echnaton | Hi is there a way to install mutt without any mta like exim, postfix or sendmail, because apt always wants to install a exim for mutt |
| 16:11.32 | petemc | echnaton: mutt needs something to send mail with, debian needs something to provide mail-transport-agent too, for that mattter |
| 16:11.39 | chugga | Ronin, backports.org? im browsing it now, amphi pointed me towards it. only thing is FAQ and HOWTO dont seem to be ready atm |
| 16:11.50 | echnaton | agney: uncomment the Option "DPMS" line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:11.55 | tojik | Hi everyone. I was trying to install Gnome bit it said at the end that could not locate chunk-common.xsl of DocBook XSLT stylesheets |
| 16:12.05 | Ronin | heh they were there, wonder what happened chugga |
| 16:12.06 | echnaton | petemc: iam using msmtp for relaying |
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| 16:12.25 | petemc | echnaton: well, you need to tell the package system you have that, perhaps using equivs |
| 16:12.27 | chugga | Ronin, nevermind. i think i found the instructions |
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| 16:13.19 | tojik | What is chunk-common.xsl of DocBook XSLT stylesheets? |
| 16:13.34 | echnaton | petemc: what exactly is equivs?! |
| 16:13.43 | petemc | apt-cache show equivs |
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| 16:18.02 | amphi | chugga: no, not at all - just go to backports.org, search for a package, and (assuming iit's there), full destructions are provided |
| 16:18.18 | Piet | is it true that any user on a default debian system can reboot the system? |
| 16:18.28 | echnaton | petemc: thanks works fine |
| 16:18.46 | Piet | ... from remote |
| 16:19.19 | zspada15 | hi, i know i've been here before, and i dont want to be a nuisance, but i cannot seem to figure out how to make my sound card work |
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| 16:19.45 | echnaton | zspada15: apt-get install alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 16:19.52 | zspada15 | ok weel try taht again |
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| 16:22.52 | zspada15 | there were errors |
| 16:23.05 | zspada15 | one was the file was not automatically generated |
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| 16:23.12 | echnaton | which file? |
| 16:23.34 | mmiikkee12 | jsut wondering, does the cow from apt-get moo have a name? |
| 16:23.40 | zspada15 | i cant remeber it went by too fast |
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| 16:24.18 | zspada15 | lemme log it to a file h/o |
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| 16:24.37 | zspada15 | alsaconf > log.txt will log the output to log.txt? |
| 16:24.37 | cydork | just thought of it mmiikkee12 :P |
| 16:24.45 | fluxdude | quickie question can you mount a samba share on a machine to a mount point on that same machine? |
| 16:24.49 | fluxdude | gives credentials error even though I used those creds successfully from another machine. |
| 16:24.59 | syntaxx | zspada15, first you must used 2.6.8 kernel |
| 16:25.19 | zspada15 | alright i have 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 on here |
| 16:25.29 | quitte | mmiikkee12: i always assumed it was just cow as in cow and chicken. the only cow i know that has supercow powers. |
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| 16:26.20 | zspada15 | well let me switch beack to the 2.6.8 kernel and then i will be back here |
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| 16:27.30 | cydork | quitte : no you got it all wrong!!! apt has super cow powers :P |
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| 16:28.35 | quitte | cydork: since when does it exist/hae supercow powers? was cow and chicken created earlier? |
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| 16:30.08 | tojik | What is the command for copy? |
| 16:30.12 | zero-1 | cp |
| 16:30.36 | tojik | cp [dir1] [dir2] & |
| 16:30.37 | tojik | ? |
| 16:30.49 | quitte | hmm. original run: 1997 |
| 16:31.04 | markybob | tojik, man cp |
| 16:31.25 | zero-1 | Im having probles with apache - php - mysql, when I try to view a php page it wont display and it will ask me to download the file I have the module and everything |
| 16:31.38 | lepton | tojik: you can't copy directories like that |
| 16:31.48 | tojik | Why? |
| 16:31.53 | zero-1 | cp -r dir dir |
| 16:31.57 | markybob | tojik, because you havent read 'man cp' like i said |
| 16:32.29 | lepton | because a directory cannot be manipulated like a flat file |
| 16:32.33 | tojik | markybob, lepton: thank you |
| 16:32.35 | fauxalliance | zero-1, have you enabled the php module and explicitly defined the php / phps file types, and restarted apache |
| 16:32.36 | zero-1 | cp -r dir1 dir2 |
| 16:32.45 | zero-1 | yup I did |
| 16:32.47 | tojik | zero-l thank you too |
| 16:32.50 | lepton | or use rsync |
| 16:33.10 | zero-1 | no problem tojik |
| 16:33.18 | fauxalliance | zero-1, thats weird. |
| 16:33.30 | zero-1 | I know, it freaked me out |
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| 16:35.29 | agney | echnaton, I did it and it does not work yet |
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| 16:35.51 | agney | echnaton, i used xset -dpms and removed DPMS from xorg.conf |
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| 16:36.01 | agney | echnaton, and the screen is still shuting down |
| 16:36.02 | zero-1 | what should I do? |
| 16:36.21 | zero-1 | it keeps asking me to download the phtml file instead of displaying the page |
| 16:36.33 | fauxalliance | zero-1, check your configuration files twice moe. |
| 16:36.39 | echnaton | agney: hm there is no dpms in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?! cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i dpms |
| 16:36.42 | echnaton | ?! |
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| 16:37.16 | agney | echnaton, empty result |
| 16:37.42 | echnaton | sorry agney no idea |
| 16:37.54 | zero-1 | ill be back |
| 16:37.56 | agney | echnaton, thanks anyway |
| 16:39.12 | fauxalliance | zero-1 should have checked his DirectoryIndex directive. |
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| 16:42.00 | DocOC | anyone know why after setting up a samba-shared printer from a win98 machine using the CUPS web interface, the printer's state in gnome's printer manager continues to be "Unable to contact CIFS host..." ? the win98 share shows up when I do findsmb. |
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| 16:43.11 | zob000 | howdy |
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| 16:45.08 | zob000 | i am installing cvs via ssh and apt-get install is barking with "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog |
| 16:45.08 | zob000 | " |
| 16:45.34 | zob000 | debconf: (TERM is not set, so the dialog frontend is not usable.) |
| 16:45.51 | LaoTseu | zob000: export TERM=linux |
| 16:45.55 | amphi | zob000: echo $TERM says what? |
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| 16:46.21 | zob000 | wait |
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| 16:46.46 | LaoTseu | amphi: seems not to be set as said by debconf |
| 16:46.51 | possie | is there away to make a NFS server redundant? |
| 16:47.10 | zob000 | i am going to pastebin it .. there is more in that error |
| 16:47.57 | DocOC | possie: redundant? Like failover? |
| 16:48.26 | zob000 | LaoTseu, amphi http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 16:49.16 | possie | DocOC, yeah, my NFS servers are the only SPOFS on my network atm, and i was hoping that there was a good way to also make the nfs servers failover |
| 16:49.27 | possie | DocOC, or perhaps i should look at some other shared storage mechanism |
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| 16:50.20 | amphi | zob000: that is not the correct url |
| 16:50.20 | zob000 | LaoTseu, i still get the same error with the term changed as well |
| 16:50.27 | zob000 | oops |
| 16:50.32 | LaoTseu | amphi: http://pastebin.ca/92512 |
| 16:50.49 | zob000 | LaoTseu, .. good one ... http://pastebin.ca/92512 |
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| 16:52.16 | DocOC | possie: well, there are a few ways to make it happen. You could connect 2 machines together using fiber-channel and use the coda filesystem (which afaik is STILL experimental after all these years) or you could set up scheduled rcp tasks in a crontab to keep a slave nfs server up to date, and use a little DNS-server magic to make it happen. Or you could spend a huge amount of money and pay Sun or someone to create a Storage-area-network for yo |
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| 16:53.01 | zob000 | LaoTseu, amphi the server is debian sarge running inside a vserver (from unstale src). does that make a difference ? |
| 16:53.23 | cydork | zob000: try ssh -t |
| 16:53.34 | possie | DocOC, k thanks, i'm gonna look at that code fs where you where talking about |
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| 16:54.27 | zob000 | cydork, you da man ! |
| 16:54.39 | DocOC | possie: as I said, it's still experimental, you you need a fiber-channel connection between the 2 nfs servers. The second solution I suggested is by far the cheapest and easiest, however it is a bit of a kludge. |
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| 16:54.57 | LaoTseu | cydork: didn't know this opt, thanks :) |
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| 16:55.44 | polishkoop | When I try to install debian etch through the netinstall cd, I get an error that says "no common cd-rom found", so I end up not getting the install to work. How can I fix this? |
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| 16:57.03 | userterr | Hi! Could anybody advise me a good image manipulator program for debian? I have a floppy boot image, and i want to make a cdimage from it. |
| 16:57.25 | cydork | polishkpoop: sata cdrom drive?? |
| 16:57.39 | amphi | userterr: mkisofs? |
| 16:57.51 | scandrou | I got a wireless usb keyboard mouse. Keyboard works fine but doesn't want to start because no pionter. |
| 16:58.05 | scandrou | s/but/but X |
| 16:58.11 | userterr | amphi: well, i read its manual, but i couldn' t do my image ... . |
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| 16:58.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | userterr: imagemagic |
| 16:58.30 | mindbob | I don't get this guys, I get given 8 ips from my isp, and i use an openbsd router 3 nics in providing nat for 3 subnets 10.0.x 172.16.x and 192.168.x on the 192.168.x subnet i have a vmware machine with linux install i tried to setup one of the useable ips on there, so i try to set the gateway/route first but it fails saying network unreachable, any ideas? |
| 16:58.41 | scandrou | I can't find anything in /dev that could look like a mouse device |
| 16:58.54 | balou | /dev/mouse? |
| 16:58.55 | WoodyWoodpecker | polishkoop: Configure /etc/apt/source.list and /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 16:59.03 | polishkoop | cydork: no it's IDE, I read about this problem on the internet but it only regarded to laptops with SATA, which I don't get. My Hard drives are SATA though. |
| 16:59.06 | scandrou | balou: not there |
| 16:59.09 | userterr | WoodyWoodpecker: cd image ... . |
| 16:59.18 | markybob | mindbob, you have vmware configured wrong. probably set it up as using NAT for the virtual machines |
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| 16:59.24 | CyberMad | does anyone here ever use kannel? |
| 16:59.25 | markybob | mindbob, vmware-config.pl |
| 16:59.34 | CyberMad | what is the package in debian? |
| 16:59.35 | balou | /dev/psaux, or /dev/ttyS?`if you still have a serial mouse |
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| 16:59.59 | cydork | polishkpoop: try this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto that might solve it. |
| 17:00.00 | amphi | userterr: IIRC, a bootable cd just has a bootable floppy image in a boot directory or something; the cd writing howto probably covers this, maybe man mkisofs |
| 17:00.19 | kyncani | scandrou: maybe missing a kernel module ? -> discover |
| 17:00.22 | amphi | userterr: you can manipulate the floppy image by loopback mounting it |
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| 17:00.51 | Vr|3Z0 | hi all |
| 17:01.09 | scandrou | kyncani: I did discover, what then ? |
| 17:01.13 | userterr | well, after i mounted it, what should modify in it to get an image, which i can burn onto a CD, and will boot? |
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| 17:01.53 | kyncani | scandrou: i mean install discover, it may load a module and provide a /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 17:02.31 | DocOC | polishkoop: you could also try using netinstall floppies instead of the netinstall cd. |
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| 17:02.48 | scandrou | kyncani: discover is already installed and I tried it but no /dev/input/mice |
| 17:02.49 | Vr|3Z0 | Sorry, S.O.S : Sata( ICH6 ) kernel 2.6 ( /sbin/init:432 cannot open dev/console:No such file ) url for info solution ? :( |
| 17:03.26 | kyncani | scandrou: well, don't know then :| |
| 17:03.49 | polishkoop | DocOC; I upgraded to etch from sarge before, and when I did my cdrom became useless. I figure if I try the floppies it will just do that too. I'm gonna try that one wiki, but I doubt it will work cuz it seems to only apply to SATA cd-roms |
| 17:04.41 | scandrou | I do have a /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_USB_Receiver-event-mouse but setting input device to it just make the cursor go ballistic |
| 17:05.27 | DocOC | polishkoop: well, the problem has little to do with the distribution and more with the kernel. upgrading to etch, then upgrading your kernel to the latest might push you past the problem. |
| 17:06.12 | polishkoop | DocOC: I believe I tried that when I had etch on my system and it didn't work. I ended up having to boot with the 2.4 kernel. |
| 17:06.25 | mindbob | markybob, No I have it setup for host bridged networking the others work fine. |
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| 17:07.43 | tao36 | hello ! can someone help me regain control over nautilus... i cant even resize this window where im typing .. :( |
| 17:08.10 | DocOC | polishkoop: yeah, I feel your pain. That was the first time I searched for a kernel error in google and came up with only a single entry. |
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| 17:08.51 | DocOC | tao36: are you able to resize non-nautilus windows? |
| 17:09.00 | polishkoop | DocOC: I tried the netinstall cd on another system of mine, and it worked. I popped in that cdrom into this system and it didn't. Do you think this problem will be fixed when etch becomes stable? |
| 17:09.17 | tao36 | dont think so DocoC |
| 17:09.30 | cydork | polishkpoop: try the wiki and let us know!! |
| 17:09.51 | fauxalliance | polishkoop, boot with a live cd and use debootstrap, i have some flaky old hardware that does't get along with netinst. |
| 17:09.53 | DocOC | tao36: are you simply unable to resize because there is no window-border you can grab onto with your mouse-pointer? |
| 17:10.08 | polishkoop | cydork: alright :-) I'll be back soon. |
| 17:10.36 | tao36 | DocOC : the window border facilities are all gone.. |
| 17:11.22 | DocOC | tao36: do you have a top-bar on your windows? |
| 17:11.37 | tao36 | DocOC :yes |
| 17:11.55 | tao36 | and bottom too |
| 17:12.00 | DocOC | tao36: try changing your theme, you may simply have chosen a theme without window-borders. |
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| 17:12.08 | mindbob | markybob, any ideas? |
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| 17:12.22 | DocOC | tao36: oh, wait, you can't grab the bottom border? |
| 17:12.27 | scandrou | I can't find the dev of my usb mouse. usbmouse is loaded. What am i forgetting? |
| 17:12.45 | DocOC | scandrou: /dev/input/mice? |
| 17:12.56 | tao36 | DocOC : i can grab that why? |
| 17:13.04 | DocOC | tao36: to resize the window. |
| 17:13.36 | tao36 | that i cant do |
| 17:13.52 | HoNgOuRu | HoNgOuRu alguien me puede ayudar? como conecto 2 maquinas con debian, en una lan |
| 17:13.52 | HoNgOuRu | HoNgOuRu se ven, porque les hago pin |
| 17:14.00 | Hoxzer_ | You know guys |
| 17:14.00 | stew | scandrou: modprobe mousedev |
| 17:14.03 | scandrou | DocOC: I got: /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_USB_Receiver-event-mouse no /dev/input/mice |
| 17:14.04 | tao36 | DocOC :every resize facilities are gone |
| 17:14.08 | stew | !es |
| 17:14.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:14.13 | Hoxzer_ | if you fuck duck you fuck with open source in finland? |
| 17:14.28 | syntaxx | scandrou, i think /dev/input/mice |
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| 17:15.01 | DocOC | tao36 and scandrou: sorry, I have to go now. good luck. |
| 17:15.08 | scandrou | syntaxx: I don't have it, how can I create it? |
| 17:15.18 | syntaxx | scandrou, im using gpm |
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| 17:15.27 | tao36 | DocOC : thank you anyway |
| 17:15.39 | syntaxx | scandrou, and it works just fine apt-cache search gpm |
| 17:15.53 | tao36 | any one |
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| 17:16.18 | stew | scandrou: "modprobe mousedev" |
| 17:16.26 | tao36 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.40 | stew | scandrou: and add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 17:17.07 | tao36 | anyone can help me with this nautilus prob? |
| 17:17.54 | syntaxx | stew, xorg sarge and nvidia works fine along with kde 3.5? |
| 17:18.40 | stew | syntaxx: i'm not sure i understand the question. xorg and kde3.5 aren't in sarge, but there are backports for them. i haven't tried either |
| 17:18.57 | scandrou | stew: mousedev is loaded now, but I still don't see mouse device |
| 17:19.15 | stew | scandrou: what does "uname -r" say? do you run udev? |
| 17:19.36 | scandrou | 2.6.17 |
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| 17:20.02 | scandrou | stew: I got udev |
| 17:20.27 | stew | scandrou: then modprobe mousedev should certainly have caused udev to create /dev/input/mice |
| 17:20.28 | tao36 | my windows seem to lack all functionalities like resizing closing maximizing etc.. any ideas? |
| 17:20.50 | stew | tao36: what winodw manager are you using? it sounds like maybe you haven't started one |
| 17:20.59 | tao36 | nautilus |
| 17:21.09 | stew | tao36: that isn't a window manager, its a file manager |
| 17:21.17 | syntaxx | stew, what i mean is xorg from backports and kde works fine in sarge along with nvidia |
| 17:21.34 | tao36 | stew : gnome .. |
| 17:21.36 | stew | syntaxx: ok. is there a reason you are telling me this? |
| 17:21.44 | seeds | hey scandrou u got your grub problem solved? |
| 17:21.45 | stew | tao36: gnome isn't a window manager, its a desktop environment |
| 17:22.14 | tao36 | stew : i dont know.. :( |
| 17:22.17 | scandrou | seeds: no, I had to reinstall, I've been on it all day |
| 17:22.31 | seeds | ok |
| 17:22.52 | syntaxx | stew, im planning to switch from xfree to xorg and flux to kde 3.5.. that is why im asking from a pro like you ^^ |
| 17:22.56 | tao36 | stew : how can i find out? |
| 17:23.01 | stew | tao36: do you know what window manager you want to use? |
| 17:23.15 | tao36 | stew : no.. |
| 17:23.32 | tao36 | stew : accept sugestions :) |
| 17:23.47 | stew | tao36: iirc metacity is the default window manager for gnome, see if metacity is running, if not, try starting it |
| 17:24.00 | tao36 | ok |
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| 17:24.36 | abrotman | tao36: you're probably running metacity or sawfish |
| 17:24.44 | stew | syntaxx: i don't understand the question. if you are asking me how well the backports work, i don't know. i haven't tried the xorg backport. i haven't run kde in many years, and i don't own a nvidia graphics card (nor do i support non-free drivers) |
| 17:24.53 | tao36 | unable to open Xdisplay... |
| 17:25.04 | tao36 | that came out of metacity |
| 17:25.06 | stew | tao36: you are in X right now? |
| 17:25.19 | tao36 | yes |
| 17:25.38 | syntaxx | stew, oh ok thanks |
| 17:26.12 | tao36 | stew:im in a window that i cant move resize close.. but otherwise is working |
| 17:26.29 | scandrou | stew: mouse is working, thanks |
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| 17:27.32 | abrotman | tao36: can you open a terminal ? |
| 17:27.38 | tao36 | yes |
| 17:27.47 | abrotman | tao36: is the prompt a # or $ ? |
| 17:27.49 | tao36 | but im using tty1 |
| 17:28.00 | tao36 | # |
| 17:28.02 | abrotman | go to X .. open a terminal ... type "metacity" |
| 17:28.18 | abrotman | or rather .. metacity & |
| 17:29.10 | tao36 | abrotman : window manager error : unable to open x display |
| 17:29.30 | stew | tao36: did you startx as root? |
| 17:29.38 | tao36 | no |
| 17:30.06 | stew | tao36: did you su? |
| 17:30.37 | tao36 | stew: yes |
| 17:30.48 | tao36 | on tty1 |
| 17:31.01 | stew | tao36: you need to try to start metacity as the user that startedx |
| 17:31.10 | tao36 | ok |
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| 17:32.37 | tao36 | stew :same error poped up "window manager error : unable to open X display" |
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| 17:33.02 | muaddib | does anyone have any expereince setting up a machine to do IP multicasting |
| 17:33.11 | tao36 | stew :if i feta purge metacity and then install will it become active again? |
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| 17:34.04 | tojik | Where the gzip program is by default? |
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| 17:34.53 | ApEtc | tojik: Check /bin/gzip |
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| 17:35.37 | tojik | ApEtc thanx |
| 17:35.44 | EEap | hi , I have the PCI ID of my Network Card, the vendor ID and the device ID. I found it in lspci -nv and later looking for the given number in pci.ids, but now, how do I know which driver to use? And if Debian has it compiled |
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| 17:36.26 | madbull | hi, i'm experimenting with syslog-ng on debian and I have 70+ hosts logging to my syslog-ng server using tcp. However occasionally some hosts can't connect to the syslog server, I have set tcp-max-conections=100 in syslog-ng. Just wondering if anyone else has seen anything like this with syslogng? |
| 17:37.02 | tojik | And is there unzip program installed by default? |
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| 17:39.53 | streuner | no |
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| 17:40.11 | streuner | (un)zip is optional |
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| 17:41.40 | tao36 | ill be back... :) |
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| 17:43.43 | CyberMad | where is ttyUSB0 is stored? |
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| 17:45.06 | CyberMad | nevermind.. got it |
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| 17:47.01 | tobias | when creating a package, in the debian/rules file, is the current arch available as a variable? |
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| 17:49.45 | stew | tobias: ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 17:50.52 | roxy_ | any rubygems package ? I can't find it :( |
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| 17:54.24 | tobias-osl | i lost my connection and missed any reply - was there one? |
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| 17:55.10 | wils0n__ | tobias: ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 17:55.54 | streuner | heh |
| 17:56.32 | abrotman | roxy_: i think #debian-ruby exists |
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| 17:56.48 | tao36 | stew & abrotman : thank you it was the metacity |
| 17:56.53 | tao36 | :) |
| 17:57.08 | abrotman | yay? |
| 17:57.24 | roxy_ | abrotman: it does, we're 2 now in it :-) |
| 17:57.26 | abrotman | roxy_: looks like #debian-ruby moved to oftc |
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| 17:57.39 | ryan42 | hello. I found a bug in etch's installer. If you select Laptop, Standard, and Graphical packages near the end of the install there's a hang where you can see the system prompting in the console shell about replacing mkinitrd.conf however you cannot respond. You have to go to the shell, chroot to /target, kill the dpkg process, run dpkg --configure -a manually and then go back to the install and repeat the packages step. I cannot fin |
| 17:57.42 | wils0n__ | what is oftc ? |
| 17:57.50 | ryan42 | to report a bug though. Call me crazy :-P |
| 17:57.51 | stew | wils0n__: /msg dpkg oftc |
| 17:57.57 | abrotman | wils0n__: irc.oftc.net |
| 17:58.04 | wils0n__ | thanks both |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | ryan42: go to #debian-boot on irc.debian.org .. ask there |
| 17:58.25 | ryan42 | okay. thanks |
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| 18:00.57 | g333k | Hi, I just setup my soundcard with #alsaconf in my laptop, but after I reboot it doesnt play anything, I have to do #alsaconf again... why is it happening? |
| 18:02.16 | sussudio | g333k: next time, save your settings. |
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| 18:02.39 | g333k | sussudio, how? |
| 18:02.59 | sussudio | g333k: i'm guessing there's a save setting option in alsaconf somewhere. |
| 18:03.51 | g333k | sussudio, afaik theres a command: #alsactl store, i did that but the problem persists |
| 18:04.01 | stew | g333k: do you know which driver is being used for your sound card? (something starting with snd-) |
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| 18:05.11 | g333k | stew, yep.... this is the content of my /etc/modprobe.d/sound file: alias snd-card-0 snd-atiixp |
| 18:05.11 | g333k | options snd-atiixp index=0 |
| 18:05.33 | stew | g333k: put "snd-atiixp" and "snd-pcm-oss" into /etc/modules |
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| 18:06.34 | g333k | stew, it is not supposed to been done automatically? |
| 18:06.53 | stew | g333k: i don't know |
| 18:06.58 | stew | g333k: that will do what you want though |
| 18:07.14 | g333k | stew, thanks.... |
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| 18:09.55 | serfurj | is there any way to purge an already-removed package? |
| 18:10.52 | Spec | serfurj: dpkg --purge <packagename> |
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| 18:11.11 | serfurj | thanks |
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| 18:18.11 | ofer0 | How do you call a mirror of a DNS server? slave? |
| 18:19.30 | czekista | hi. i have no sound under mozilla-flash-plugin (v.7.0). There is no other app that could block my audio device, i have added user (me) to the audio group, however there is still no sound in flash. I remember having this problem some time ago, and the reinstalling flash helped, now it doesn't work. So what should i do? |
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| 18:20.21 | czekista | is it normal that there is no /dev/dsp device in my system. I have read that flash plugin may use it. Is it true? |
| 18:20.45 | Eulex | czekista, are you using alsa? the install alsa-oss |
| 18:21.02 | czekista | i have compieled in alsa and oss emulation in my kernel |
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| 18:21.51 | czekista | i have installed the newest version of alsa-oss |
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| 18:27.10 | czekista | ohh... after setting my media player to oss audion outpu it doesn't work. How can i check what's wrong? |
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| 18:31.35 | SexyKen | I’ve been reading about Round Robin DNS but if we do that and our server is off due to the power cutover, then 50% of the http requests will go to our static page and 50% of the requests will go to a server which is unavailable. |
| 18:31.36 | SexyKen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.38 | SexyKen | Is there a way to do a higher/lower priority similar to how one would set up multiple MX records? |
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| 18:32.57 | roxy_ | where can I find which pcmcia for wifi is good under debian ? |
| 18:33.29 | amphi | roxy_: that's not distro dependent, but kernel dependent |
| 18:33.39 | roxy_ | amphi: 2.6.17 |
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| 18:33.53 | amphi | roxy_: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
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| 18:34.33 | amphi | roxy_: that may have useful info; one I know of is the ralink rt2500, which has a gpl driver |
| 18:34.34 | roxy_ | amphi: thanks |
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| 18:35.08 | amphi | roxy_: there is a ralink rt2500 'reference implementation' made by ralink, but many cards use the chipset |
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| 18:37.01 | roxy_ | amphi: is ralink a brand ? |
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| 18:40.29 | roxy_ | amphi: I can't find the same brand as on the link near where I leave: http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/75012/comparer/130/Reseaux-sans-fil/?i1=309&f1=637&i2=310&i3=312&o3=egal&f3=&i4=314&f4=1176&mq=0&pxmin=0&pxmax=0&od=nom&show=0&nbf=4 |
| 18:40.44 | roxy_ | s/leave/live |
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| 18:44.16 | amphi | roxy_: perhaps buy one off the web? the rt2500 is quite cheap |
| 18:44.35 | wycats | Where can I find mod_authz_svn? |
| 18:44.47 | wycats | it doesn't seem to install when I installed mod_dav_svn |
| 18:46.18 | roxy_ | amphi: apparently that one Linksys WPC11 works and is 25 euros, I am ebaying for rt2500 |
| 18:46.50 | amphi | roxy_: uhuh |
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| 18:51.18 | cr3 | I just installed slapd from dpkg and I can't seem to get the right credentials, anyone tried it before? |
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| 18:52.26 | cusco | please |
| 18:52.29 | cusco | would somebody take a look ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/uWcVFj69.html |
| 18:52.36 | cusco | my hard drive is going mad |
| 18:52.48 | cusco | it used to be the main hard drive on that machine |
| 18:52.53 | cusco | today I put a new one |
| 18:53.06 | cusco | set that one as slave, reinstall new system |
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| 18:53.23 | cusco | and now.. I am struggling to get some data out of it |
| 18:53.25 | abrotman | that usually indicates a dying drive or bad cable or bad controller .. or a mix of all |
| 18:53.36 | cusco | hm |
| 18:53.42 | abrotman | make sure the cables are attached correctly |
| 18:53.59 | cusco | ok brb |
| 18:54.07 | cusco | it might be the cable.. thankls |
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| 18:56.33 | abrotman | abchirk: haven't dropped the 'b' yet huh? :) |
| 18:56.45 | fly_80 | hello |
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| 18:57.08 | fly_80 | I installed xine, but it doesn't start : can't create mcop directory |
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| 18:58.33 | abchirk | hehe abrotman |
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| 19:05.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | what is the externtiomn of an valid 2.6 module? |
| 19:05.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | .ko? |
| 19:05.43 | cureless | yes |
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| 19:06.06 | cureless | though an extension doesn't necessarily make it valid |
| 19:06.06 | ramiroec | is there a way to ping to all the host for a network C class ? ... ( like ping 192.168.0.1 ... 0.2. ...0.3 ) |
| 19:06.16 | cureless | yes, man ping |
| 19:06.57 | ramiroec | cureless, i need to know whats host is up or down |
| 19:07.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | cureless, and now i need an insmod for 2.6 for in an initrd (it uses bussybox) |
| 19:07.11 | ramiroec | cureless, i need if a host is up or down |
| 19:07.29 | cureless | ramiroec: man ping, or use nmap (man nmap, which you might need to install) |
| 19:07.55 | cureless | on a totally (kind-of) off topic note, does anybody here bike and is a debian fan? (let me explain) |
| 19:08.09 | ramiroec | i can make : 250 pings.... but ... is there a better way ? |
| 19:08.11 | cureless | I want a new cycling jersey and was wondering if there was a debian cycling jersey out there. |
| 19:08.42 | cureless | ramiroec: ping -b read the man page |
| 19:09.41 | ramiroec | cureless : ping -b 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 19:10.15 | cureless | ramiroec: what's your broadcast address? |
| 19:10.23 | cureless | probably .255 |
| 19:10.38 | ramiroec | cureless: yes 192.168.0.255 |
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| 19:13.18 | foo | How can I completely erase a disk so it can never be recovered in linux? |
| 19:13.21 | ramiroec | now i need to do that, from a remote network ... is that possible ?...broadcast dont work in that case |
| 19:13.28 | cusco | foo: shred |
| 19:13.33 | foo | cusco: thanksw |
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| 19:14.37 | foo | hm, shred -va /dev/hdb - right? |
| 19:14.48 | sussudio | foo: or buy a maxtor |
| 19:14.59 | foo | sussudio: what? |
| 19:15.07 | sussudio | foo: they selfdestruct |
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| 19:15.12 | foo | haha |
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| 19:16.00 | cooner750 | Is this the best guide to getting Apache, MySQL, and PHP all working? |
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| 19:16.03 | cooner750 | http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp?highlight=%28lamp%29 |
| 19:16.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | is there an way to just make an module like md-bbr? becaus that one im missing :P |
| 19:17.21 | abrotman | cooner750: here's the best guide ... "apt-get install php4-mysql libapache2-mod-php4 mysql-server-4.1" assuming you want mysql on the same box |
| 19:17.45 | cooner750 | Yea, it is going to all run on the same machine, and hopefully they'll "work together" |
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| 19:17.54 | abrotman | they shouold |
| 19:17.55 | abrotman | should |
| 19:18.14 | cooner750 | I'm going to be moving my website and phpbb board over to Debian from Windoze |
| 19:18.21 | abrotman | good deal |
| 19:18.27 | abrotman | now if only you could get off mysql :) |
| 19:18.37 | davi | What client to use SFTP = |
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| 19:18.40 | davi | ? |
| 19:18.43 | abrotman | from linux or windows? |
| 19:18.48 | davi | Debian ;) |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | probably konq or nautilus could do it ... |
| 19:19.08 | davi | thanks abrotman |
| 19:19.12 | cooner750 | Can gFTP do it? |
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| 19:19.18 | abrotman | scp ? |
| 19:19.33 | davi | I will try gFTP |
| 19:19.41 | cooner750 | Every once in a while I have to SFTP into my Smoothwall box to edit some files |
| 19:19.45 | stoned | abrotman, you suck |
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| 19:19.54 | abrotman | stoned: they like it that way |
| 19:20.00 | stoned | abrotman, yes i know :) |
| 19:20.02 | stoned | whats up man |
| 19:20.06 | abrotman | how's dell ? |
| 19:20.14 | abrotman | pass your whiz quiz yet? |
| 19:20.14 | stoned | well |
| 19:20.16 | stoned | not yet |
| 19:20.20 | stoned | still waitin on it |
| 19:20.27 | stoned | their training classes are full |
| 19:20.34 | stoned | I might not be in there until 20th augh. |
| 19:20.34 | stoned | :( |
| 19:20.39 | stoned | another fucking month of no weed |
| 19:20.40 | stoned | goddamit |
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| 19:20.55 | abrotman | you'll live |
| 19:21.00 | stoned | yeah |
| 19:21.02 | stoned | barely |
| 19:21.03 | stoned | :) |
| 19:21.26 | abrotman | SPIT IT OUT! |
| 19:21.28 | stoned | Three little piggies |
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| 19:21.32 | stoned | to make a piggy pie |
| 19:21.50 | stoned | there nothing like the sound of when you hear a piggy die |
| 19:21.53 | stoned | I might use a gun |
| 19:21.54 | stoned | NO |
| 19:21.57 | stoned | I might use an AXE |
| 19:21.59 | stoned | YES |
| 19:22.03 | stoned | the carnival is in town |
| 19:22.08 | stoned | come and get your piggy snacks |
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| 19:22.20 | Ronin | that anything like scooby snacks? |
| 19:22.24 | stoned | no |
| 19:22.24 | stoned | ICP |
| 19:22.28 | stoned | Insane Clown Posse |
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| 19:22.41 | sussudio | if you listen to ICP, you lose at life. |
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| 19:22.46 | stoned | hehe |
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| 19:23.27 | davi | cooner750, What CLI utils to SFTP ? |
| 19:23.41 | abrotman | scp ? |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | OliverKlozoff: why can't you pick one nick? |
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| 19:23.52 | cooner750 | CLI... wow, um, let me think |
| 19:24.00 | abrotman | ncftp? |
| 19:24.01 | OliverKlozoff | abrotman: heh |
| 19:24.07 | abrotman | davi: apt-cache search sftp |
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| 19:24.09 | davi | abrotman, I think scp does not work with the SFTP protocol |
| 19:24.15 | davi | thank abrotman |
| 19:24.16 | abrotman | use scp instead? :) |
| 19:24.27 | cooner750 | Does this help ? http://acs.ucsd.edu/info/scp.php |
| 19:24.32 | davi | the host does not allow it |
| 19:24.39 | abrotman | davi: stupid host |
| 19:24.47 | davi | no comment |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | lftp |
| 19:25.37 | abrotman | can't believe i forgot lftp |
| 19:25.46 | stoned | you high? |
| 19:25.46 | abrotman | woohoo .. 1/4 done |
| 19:25.50 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:25.52 | foo | hmm. How can I exclude a folder when rsyncing between two machines? |
| 19:25.55 | abrotman | stoned: on work .. yes! |
| 19:26.02 | abrotman | foo: i believe the man page mentions this |
| 19:26.51 | foo | abrotman: It isn't working. It still rsyncs it ... I've tried to --exclude=/the/folder ... and --exclude=IP:/the/folder ... still syncs. it |
| 19:27.46 | abrotman | foo: maybe kill the first / ? |
| 19:28.11 | foo | abrotman: I've tried that as well. hm |
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| 19:31.54 | jelly | foo: please type the complete line. |
| 19:32.06 | stoned | man |
| 19:32.07 | stoned | wow |
| 19:32.13 | stoned | irc really makes people anti social |
| 19:32.15 | stoned | jeez |
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| 19:32.25 | kyncani | foo: --exclude /the/folder/** maybe ? |
| 19:32.26 | foo | jelly: hm, I am trying one more time a different way... if this doesn't work I'll pay here. |
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| 19:32.35 | jelly | stoned: shut up, fucker. |
| 19:32.42 | stoned | ? |
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| 19:32.49 | jelly | stoned: ... |
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| 19:32.55 | stoned | why did you say that to me? |
| 19:33.15 | jelly | stoned: it's a punch line for your "<stoned> irc really makes people anti social" |
| 19:33.28 | kanzure | I think that my Debian installation has suddenly converted to the most unstable or most recent package list through apt-get, because now it wants to reinstall many packages that were installed only a week ago. How do I stop this and convert it back to whatever is stable? |
| 19:33.33 | stoned | if my general statement somehow relates to you, then its not my fault |
| 19:33.37 | stoned | truth hurts |
| 19:33.40 | stoned | always |
| 19:33.49 | stoned | and no, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular |
| 19:33.57 | paul__1_ | After updating my Etch system yesterday, I cannot connect to the internet via pppoe any mode. I've run ppppoeconf again, entered my user name and my password. After "pon dsl-provider" I get a dynamic IP and "plog" tells me that I've been assigned two DNS servers. However, I can't ping any address |
| 19:34.05 | paul__1_ | Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 19:34.06 | Tropican8 | kanzure: check /etc/apt/sources.list, see if the entries say "stable" or something else |
| 19:34.08 | stoned | and anti social does not neccessirily mean beina dick to people |
| 19:34.14 | stoned | jelly, that was uncalled for |
| 19:34.40 | kanzure | Tropican8: some say stable, some say testing, and some say unstable. |
| 19:35.09 | syntaxx | anyone using debian sarge running backport xorg and kde 3.5 in nvidia? |
| 19:35.12 | jelly | stoned: well, I concur that it really fell through as a pun. |
| 19:35.20 | Tropican8 | kanzure: Were you using stable or testing before? |
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| 19:35.25 | kanzure | Tropican8: nope |
| 19:35.27 | stoned | jelly, maybe you should look up the definiton of a 'pun' |
| 19:35.37 | kanzure | Tropican8: I think this may have been like this for a while, just unbeknownst to me |
| 19:36.09 | stoned | jelly, using words without understanding what they mean is quite ignorant |
| 19:36.09 | stoned | and makes you look like a damn fool |
| 19:36.09 | jelly | stoned: agreed. Sorry if I shocked you. |
| 19:36.15 | stoned | you didn't, you only made yourself look like an asshole |
| 19:36.16 | Tropican8 | kanzure: What desktop are you using? versionwise might give me an indicator of what you were running before |
| 19:36.27 | stoned | and I'm trying to get you to see that, because you're a good guy, a regular |
| 19:36.47 | Tropican8 | kanzure: Also when your computer starts up at login it'll say either stable or testing/unstable |
| 19:36.49 | k-google | kanzure: You don't. |
| 19:36.52 | kanzure | Tropican8: originally this was a Knoppix installation :) heh' .. I commented out the testing/unstable entries and things seem to be working now. |
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| 19:36.57 | syntaxx | anyone using debian sarge running backport xorg, kde 3.5 and nvidia? |
| 19:36.59 | k-google | !tell kanzure about downgrade |
| 19:37.04 | coondog | how do I make the fonts look better in my xorg window everything is really blurry |
| 19:37.16 | stoned | coondog, -dpi |
| 19:37.19 | streuner | syntaxx: just ask |
| 19:37.22 | kanzure | thanks, k-google |
| 19:37.27 | jade | how do i set up my user to be able to invoke sudo <cmd> ? |
| 19:37.31 | stoned | coondog, if you use startx, use startx -- -dpi XXX :0 & etc. |
| 19:37.31 | coondog | stoned: ? |
| 19:37.34 | syntaxx | streuner, just wanna know how stable they are |
| 19:37.35 | k-google | coondog: check if you're using any sort of antialiasing or cleartype. |
| 19:37.45 | k-google | jade: man visudo |
| 19:37.49 | coondog | k-google: what would show that for me? |
| 19:37.52 | kanzure | Tropican8: things are working now, thanks for your help :) |
| 19:37.54 | k-google | jade: add them to the sudoers list. |
| 19:38.47 | k-google | coondog: anti-aliasing works by blurring font pixels. Cleartype (or its equivalent) uses the structure of LCD pels (three vertical RGB tall skinny rectangles) to make somewhat sharper font lines. |
| 19:39.00 | Eulex | kanzure, hah, wasn't smart saying that here. basically, it's *very* hard to know whether your system is pure debian or not. most people in here won't give you support. |
| 19:39.10 | k-google | coondog: Both give "smoother" fonts, but blur text slightly, and cleartype may give rainbow effects. |
| 19:39.29 | Eulex | k-google, well, can be horizontal too. and BGR. |
| 19:39.31 | stoned | coondog, oh sorry, I thought you said how to make your fonts look BIGGER |
| 19:39.35 | streuner | syntaxx: many people use it, so it seems pretty good. |
| 19:39.36 | stoned | I misread |
| 19:39.43 | kanzure | Eulex, I see. I put some hard work into this installation (wifi drivers, etc.) so I'm not entirely willing to wipe the harddrive and go straight Debian |
| 19:39.44 | k-google | Eulex: Standard LCD is as described. |
| 19:39.44 | coondog | stoned: well I am using an LCD so I think that's the problem here ... |
| 19:39.46 | jelly | foo: rsync -a --exclude blah/dont-want-this-subdir --exclude blah/dont-want-this-either blah destination/ |
| 19:39.51 | asg | stoned: maybe you should make your fonts bigger :) |
| 19:39.54 | stoned | coondog, I'm somewhat of a coon |
| 19:39.54 | Eulex | k-google, ok |
| 19:39.55 | syntaxx | streuner, how bout in my nvidia? |
| 19:39.59 | coondog | because i'm using a window manager that isn't KDE or GNOME so it doesn't handle fonts for me, it's striaght up X stuff |
| 19:40.06 | stoned | asg, I run a dpi of 132 and size 10 fonts |
| 19:40.07 | stoned | :) |
| 19:40.19 | k-google | Eulex: What desktop? There's a font hints thing in both KDE and GNOME, otherwise it's part of your basic X setup. dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:40.20 | asg | stoned: hehe |
| 19:40.24 | coondog | stoned: well my lastname cooner -er +dog is how you get that ... |
| 19:40.33 | stoned | coondog, are you from Louisiana? |
| 19:40.46 | coondog | stoned: no |
| 19:40.48 | coondog | stoned: from england |
| 19:40.51 | stoned | well then you might want to change your nickname |
| 19:40.53 | coondog | stoned: --reconfigure doesn't work |
| 19:40.53 | stoned | you're not a coon |
| 19:40.56 | k-google | Eulex: Using non-smoothed fonts gives slightly more jagged, but "pure" text. I prefer a fixed point unsmoothed font in terminals. |
| 19:41.11 | coondog | stoned: it's a longtime nickname |
| 19:41.13 | stoned | coondog, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and enable automatic hinting |
| 19:41.19 | Eulex | kanzure, ok. anyway, it's not recommended to 'upgrade' from one debian-derived distro to another. you do it on your own risk. |
| 19:41.21 | foo | jelly: yeah, thanks. |
| 19:41.33 | stoned | coondog, also enable anti aliasing in your DM/WM |
| 19:42.37 | stoned | oh man |
| 19:42.39 | stoned | I have to spam a song |
| 19:42.42 | kanzure | Eulex, thanks for the information |
| 19:42.46 | stoned | this is wicked, you must know about it now |
| 19:42.48 | stoned | NP: Prostitute Disfigurement -|- Embalmed Madness -|- " Dissector (Demotrack) " -|- (Death Metal) -|- (rating: 0/0) |
| 19:43.02 | stoned | ok there I did it |
| 19:43.02 | stoned | get this band, some damn good shit here |
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| 19:43.20 | stoned | this song goes so well when coding |
| 19:43.24 | Eulex | k-google, eh? xfce. I like to use a hinted Monospace for my terminals. |
| 19:43.33 | stoned | makes your fingers just fly on that keyboard |
| 19:43.38 | asg | stoned: I would have figured it would be better for light dinner music myself. |
| 19:43.45 | stoned | lol |
| 19:43.48 | stoned | asg, you mean elevator music |
| 19:43.56 | k-google | syntaxx: Don't PM. |
| 19:44.25 | Eulex | vera sans mono, that is |
| 19:44.28 | asg | stoned: the lift in our office comes to mind. It has a faulty logic tape and does things of its own volition. |
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| 19:44.48 | stoned | asg, you must be brit/euro. I have not heard it called a lift since I left the UK |
| 19:45.00 | asg | stoned: *nod* |
| 19:45.03 | stoned | word |
| 19:45.35 | stoned | asg, so how did you come to the USA |
| 19:45.46 | stoned | asg, you're in the state where I was stationed |
| 19:45.48 | stoned | :) |
| 19:45.51 | stoned | airforce stuff |
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| 19:46.02 | asg | stoned: family moved here before I was legally able to say no |
| 19:46.05 | stoned | ahh |
| 19:46.07 | stoned | same here |
| 19:46.18 | stoned | asg, what do you do for a living? |
| 19:46.41 | stoned | asg, I am trying desperately to make a carreer in *nix administration, but its rare |
| 19:46.44 | k-google | Eulex: 7x13 in rxvt, windowmaker. Which if I can find my fonts aliases file is IIRC ... ah: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1 |
| 19:46.46 | asg | stoned: Network Manager |
| 19:46.47 | stoned | in this MS dominated world |
| 19:47.11 | k-google | stoned: Get out of Oklahoma. |
| 19:47.20 | stoned | k-google, soon as I find a job |
| 19:47.26 | asg | stoned: we are a 60/40 MS/Linux shop |
| 19:47.29 | stoned | k-google, I'm not gonna just pick up an leave without a job |
| 19:47.50 | k-google | stoned: Move somewhere. Get a starter job. Find a real one. |
| 19:48.04 | stoned | well, dell offered me 32k a year |
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| 19:48.15 | stoned | I'll stick here until my lease on my apt runs out |
| 19:48.22 | k-google | stoned: Where? |
| 19:48.23 | stoned | I been applying in houston/dallas/la/nyc |
| 19:48.37 | stoned | soon as I find a job in those states, I'm going to leave okc |
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| 19:49.00 | asg | stoned: you could petition to install FreeBSD at Oral Roberts. |
| 19:49.04 | stoned | i might go to texas, seeing as how most of my family is there |
| 19:49.14 | syntaxx | is there a guide from upgrading xfree86 to xorg? |
| 19:49.15 | stoned | brb |
| 19:49.23 | stoned | syntaxis_, yes there is |
| 19:49.45 | stoned | syntaxis_, apt-get install xorg |
| 19:49.47 | stoned | :) |
| 19:49.59 | k-google | stoned: What's your skillset / experience? |
| 19:50.08 | damog | Any hint on this? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fERTKA41.html |
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| 19:50.23 | syntaxx | stoned, just that? is it ok to upgrading even xserver is up? |
| 19:50.31 | syntaxx | upgrade* |
| 19:50.43 | stoned | k-google, unix since 1990, linux since 1993, computers since '87, coding, networking, security is my main thing, which I go to school for |
| 19:50.45 | syntaxx | or i need to be console first? |
| 19:50.53 | stoned | syntaxis_, yes, no need to be in console |
| 19:51.03 | syntaxx | oks thanks |
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| 19:51.11 | stoned | !xorg |
| 19:51.11 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 19:51.17 | neuro__ | stoned, thank you man that has made my life so much better jeez |
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| 19:51.24 | stoned | neuro__, huh? |
| 19:51.27 | k-google | stoned: Um. 32k is half to a third of what you should be aiming for if you're any good. |
| 19:51.36 | neuro__ | stoned, yeah normally i'm neuro_damage but i use coondog as my old sn |
| 19:51.39 | stoned | k-google, dell only has sales positions open |
| 19:51.52 | supernoob | anyone want to help me? i have general linux installation questions |
| 19:51.55 | syntaxx | stoned, uhmm how bout the nvidia driver? |
| 19:51.57 | stoned | k-google, like I said, its something to hold me over until I graduate |
| 19:51.57 | neuro__ | supernoob, sure |
| 19:52.03 | stoned | syntaxx, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:52.08 | k-google | streuner: ... and that's in secondary markets. SV, LA, NYC you should be close to six figures. |
| 19:52.16 | neuro__ | stoned, so next quesetion you ever had problems with debian 3.1rt or -current CD failing on you? |
| 19:52.18 | stoned | syntaxx, read this |
| 19:52.20 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 19:52.20 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 19:52.30 | stoned | neuro__, no |
| 19:52.31 | syntaxx | stoned, what i mean same in applying from xfree86? |
| 19:52.42 | stoned | syntaxx, which debian release are you using? |
| 19:52.46 | syntaxx | stoned, sarge |
| 19:52.59 | stoned | syntaxx, desktop or server? |
| 19:53.09 | syntaxx | both |
| 19:53.45 | k-google | stoned: http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/sof/171050928.html |
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| 19:53.48 | stoned | syntaxx, xorg afaik is in backports, I have not fucked with sarge in a couple of months I don't know, my sarge only runs as a server |
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| 19:54.06 | stoned | syntaxx, monitorless |
| 19:54.09 | syntaxx | stoned, yeah im installing it from backports |
| 19:54.29 | stoned | syntaxx, if you want, remove xserver* |
| 19:54.40 | supernoob | anyone wanna help me. got a few general installation questions |
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| 19:54.42 | stoned | syntaxx, then get xorg |
| 19:54.50 | syntaxx | stoned, ok |
| 19:55.02 | stoned | syntaxx, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:55.09 | asg | supernoob: just ask. If we can help we will or we will direct you to the appropriate channel. |
| 19:55.17 | supernoob | okay thanks |
| 19:55.19 | syntaxx | stoned, if something goes wrong can i just be back in xfree86? |
| 19:55.19 | stoned | syntaxx, also read the dpkgbot wiki page I pointed you to, many of your questios are answered already |
| 19:55.24 | Twig-raptor | Grettings - newbie question - I just did a debian netinstall, after installation I did "apt-get xfce4", now how do I run it? |
| 19:55.31 | syntaxx | ok |
| 19:55.43 | k-google | stoned: You could apply to be IT director in Tuttle. |
| 19:55.53 | stoned | syntaxx, sure, that is in main, so you can always install it again if need be, and do /msg dpkg drxx and select xserver as your X not xorg |
| 19:56.05 | stoned | k-google, I could |
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| 19:56.10 | stoned | k-google, thanks btw |
| 19:56.23 | stoned | Twig-raptor, startx |
| 19:56.33 | syntaxx | ok be back |
| 19:56.36 | stoned | Twig-raptor, did you install XFREE |
| 19:56.56 | k-google | stoned: Try Robert Half, BTW. They're big and institutional and seem to do some midwest/OK placements. |
| 19:57.08 | stoned | k-google, cool |
| 19:57.08 | Twig-raptor | ah, no, i didn't. Will do that. Kinda figured xfce would depend on xfree. Ah well :) |
| 19:57.17 | k-google | stoned: PM? |
| 19:57.19 | stoned | Twig-raptor, which debian release |
| 19:57.22 | neuro__ | ahh these fonts make a huge difference :P |
| 19:57.22 | stoned | k-google, sure |
| 19:57.44 | stoned | neuro__, I swear by ttf-dejavu |
| 19:57.49 | stoned | best font EVER made |
| 19:58.18 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
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| 20:00.11 | Twig-raptor | uh, not sure. Whatever is the latest thingy with a netinstall thing. >_< |
| 20:00.21 | supernoob | ok. i want to instal kanotix. i have the live CD, and i know the instructions on how to automatically install. the thing is, believe it or not, i still want to keep windows on my system. i already have 2 partitions on my hard drive, and understand i must repartition 2 more to install linux. my question is, if i install kanotix next to windows, when my computer starts how will it know which one to boot? there must be something i'm missin |
| 20:01.43 | guilherme-jorge | hello all, Anybody knows Dazuko?? When I create directories I don't get any event... |
| 20:01.47 | Eulex | !kanotic |
| 20:01.50 | Eulex | !kanotix |
| 20:01.50 | dpkg | kanotix is, like, not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 20:02.04 | supernoob | thanks. |
| 20:02.51 | stoned | Twig-raptor, hmm |
| 20:03.19 | Twig-raptor | well, im just installing "x-window-base" or something to that effect, which package provides "startx"? |
| 20:03.35 | stoned | Twig-raptor, might as well just get aptitutde install xorg |
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| 20:03.42 | stoned | Twig-raptor, you're on etch btw |
| 20:03.47 | stoned | debian/testing |
| 20:03.47 | Twig-raptor | ah ok |
| 20:04.20 | Twig-raptor | what is aptitutde? Replacement for apt-get? |
| 20:04.28 | stoned | they are ALL wrappers for dpkg |
| 20:04.29 | asg | Twig-raptor: just another tool. |
| 20:04.32 | Twig-raptor | ok |
| 20:04.39 | stoned | dpkg is the thing being used |
| 20:04.55 | stoned | everything else just resolves depends and other stuff and options and features and stuff |
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| 20:05.02 | Twig-raptor | ok |
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| 20:09.32 | Twig-raptor | ah yay, aptitutde seems to want to download lots of stuffs before i install gnome....which is good i guess |
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| 20:10.22 | asg | Twig-raptor: it installs recommended packages by default. This can often be helpful. However, if you know what you are doing, you generally end up with a bunch of cruft. |
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| 20:19.02 | abrotman | asg: i think that's an option |
| 20:19.21 | mirak | does anyone know how to setup pam_auth in squid ? |
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| 20:20.12 | mirak | I am trying but it fails |
| 20:20.18 | mirak | squid crashes |
| 20:20.27 | asg | abrotman: I'm pretty sure it's a default. Either that or suggests. |
| 20:21.06 | abrotman | it's the defalut .. but it can be cahnged |
| 20:21.53 | asg | abrotman: I know it can be changed, the default can have scary consequences if you don't know what you are doing. |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | like anyone does .. we all just drift through life on a rock .. i think the bugs are driving |
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| 20:23.02 | xerophyte | find /backup/restorepoint/ -iname 'index*' backup/restorepoint/excel/homedir/public_html/index.html how can i get only the public_html/index.html with find |
| 20:23.59 | abrotman | grep ? |
| 20:24.00 | asg | xerophyte: just use -iname 'public_html/index.html' |
| 20:24.28 | xerophyte | asg, there so many index file in the public_html |
| 20:24.49 | asg | xerophyte: there should only be one named index.html though |
| 20:25.11 | xerophyte | asg, i mean you can have /public_html/foo1/index foo2/index |
| 20:25.16 | xerophyte | with subdirectory |
| 20:25.33 | asg | xerophyte: you can but if you are only interested in 'index.html' files, just search for them |
| 20:25.48 | xerophyte | asg, how can i |
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| 20:27.39 | asg | xerophyte: okay, let's step back. What exactly are you looking for? |
| 20:28.03 | xerophyte | i have list something like this with find |
| 20:28.05 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.12 | xerophyte | and orginal files like |
| 20:28.21 | xerophyte | /home/excel/public_html/index.html /home/excel/public_html/images/index.html /home/excel/public_html/home_on_range/index.html /home/excel/public_html/index_bak.htm |
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| 20:28.29 | xerophyte | i need to replace the orginal files with restore files |
| 20:28.38 | xerophyte | can i have bash for with 2 vars in it |
| 20:28.41 | xerophyte | just wondering |
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| 20:29.13 | asg | xerophyte: #bash would know. Or, you could cook something up in Perl pretty quickly |
| 20:29.42 | xerophyte | if i can mak ethe find list with |
| 20:29.47 | xerophyte | some base direcotry i am happy |
| 20:31.33 | abrotman | i think find has a depth limit |
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| 20:35.19 | FernandoM | Hello, could someone tell me where can i find some info about setting up a debian repository? |
| 20:35.46 | Ronin | FernandoM: for yourself or for others to use |
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| 20:37.08 | FernandoM | Ronin: for the others, i have a little debian portal and i'm currentely hosting some projects. I would like to create a repository to those projects. |
| 20:37.53 | abrotman | !repository |
| 20:37.53 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 20:38.28 | abrotman | no matter how many times i see Ronin in here .. i'm still shocked they know how to use computers in canada |
| 20:38.40 | stoned | hahaha |
| 20:38.45 | stoned | bad abrotman |
| 20:38.53 | stoned | go sit in the corner |
| 20:38.56 | stoned | lol |
| 20:38.59 | asg | abrotman: they bute them and all is well |
| 20:39.02 | abrotman | don't worry .. the wandering warrior will have his revenge |
| 20:39.16 | Ronin | :) |
| 20:39.28 | FernandoM | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:39.50 | stoned | the ONLY thing that Canadian people do which annoys me is the excessive use of the word 'eh' |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | eh? |
| 20:40.01 | stoned | goddamn eh after everything |
| 20:40.03 | stoned | GRR! |
| 20:40.04 | Ronin | eh |
| 20:40.12 | stoned | its not even a fucking word |
| 20:40.13 | stoned | man |
| 20:40.16 | Ronin | hows it going eh? |
| 20:40.19 | stoned | lol |
| 20:40.26 | abrotman | stoned: better than the .us custom of using fuck every third word :) |
| 20:40.28 | asg | "O Geez, I gotta take a leak eh" |
| 20:40.36 | Ronin | asg: heh |
| 20:40.39 | stoned | abrotman, no actually the word FUCK is very very versatile |
| 20:40.50 | Ronin | so is the word eh though |
| 20:40.57 | stoned | it could be used as a noun, or an ajdective, or anything |
| 20:41.04 | abrotman | Ronin: you're sure eh? |
| 20:41.27 | stoned | what the fuck? fuck that? who the fuck? why the fuck? thats fucked up? fucking piece of shit? fuck it |
| 20:41.28 | stoned | etc. |
| 20:41.30 | Ronin | could be wrong though eh? |
| 20:41.48 | stoned | eh, eh? |
| 20:41.57 | asg | stoned: fuckery |
| 20:42.08 | stoned | asg, Dreamcatehr |
| 20:42.12 | FernandoM | abrotman: this package organization into folders, do i have to make it bymyself or there is a program that does it? |
| 20:42.19 | stoned | cher* |
| 20:42.25 | abrotman | FernandoM: eh .. the howto should say |
| 20:42.29 | Ronin | heh |
| 20:42.29 | stoned | fuckaroo turned into a fuckery |
| 20:42.39 | abrotman | !repository howto |
| 20:42.39 | dpkg | it has been said that repository howto is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 20:43.13 | abrotman | FernandoM: i haven't messed with it in a long time |
| 20:43.59 | FernandoM | it says about the folders organizations |
| 20:44.11 | FernandoM | and how to create the release files |
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| 20:45.28 | linux2 | just a quick question |
| 20:45.37 | linux2 | how would i transfer a file over ssh? |
| 20:45.43 | linux2 | and pass it through tar |
| 20:45.44 | Ronin | linux2: man scp |
| 20:46.11 | linux2 | so like tar -cf file | ssh locations tar -xf file |
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| 20:46.40 | dondelelcaro | linux2: you want tar -zc directory| ssh foo 'tar -zx' |
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| 20:46.57 | eniac_petrov | heloo to all |
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| 20:48.15 | LinuxHelp | Hi someone's try trying very hard to hack in to my box through ssh *giggle* .. how can I display a nice message to them every time they fail to enter the correct password? |
| 20:48.49 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: just use fail2ban and disconnect them |
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| 20:49.01 | Ronin | LinuxHelp: best to ignore it and use badip? i think it is to block them, sorry dondelelcaro is correct fail2ban |
| 20:49.02 | dondelelcaro | LinuxHelp: they aren't even a real person if they're doing what I think they're doing. |
| 20:49.03 | eniac_petrov | I have problem with my X server. The X server is not configured currectly and not works. Now I must enter currectly the settings, but I don't know the comand ( likes xorgconfig in slackware) .. |
| 20:49.16 | sng | dondelelcaro: I am so a real person! |
| 20:49.18 | Ronin | LinuxHelp: its just a random brute force thing, we all get it |
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| 20:49.43 | fasta | Is there a way to see how much a Debian proftpd server is suing on bandwidth, or generate nice graphs of history usage? |
| 20:49.48 | LinuxHelp | Ronin, yeah thats it.. but still, I'd like to display like "you suck!" or something |
| 20:50.04 | Ronin | LinuxHelp: why? your just confirming things for them |
| 20:50.19 | LinuxHelp | Ronin, just for fun.. |
| 20:50.27 | PeriBrown | fasta try mrtg |
| 20:50.43 | eniac_petrov | LinuxHelp, i was hacked my girlfriend's pc yesterday with VNC :-) , but she is with win.. :-) |
| 20:51.28 | fasta | PeriBrown: Anything less abstract? E.g. tailored to proftpd? |
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| 20:52.43 | eniac_petrov | please, can enybody help me with my problem? |
| 20:53.13 | fasta | eniac_petrov: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:53.16 | j2^ | Hello! Any reason why only ONE user shows up in GDMsetup when i try to set up timed login? The user i creates during initial install shows up, but none of the users that have been added after that user. |
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| 20:53.37 | eniac_petrov | fasta:Thanks! |
| 20:53.53 | fasta | eniac_petrov: also read the debian reference for future problems. |
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| 20:54.01 | eniac_petrov | ok |
| 20:54.04 | fasta | eniac_petrov: (which is difficult when you don't have X) |
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| 20:54.14 | samuel | sup all |
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| 20:54.33 | samuel | can debian be installed while running another distro? |
| 20:54.47 | samuel | one that doesnt use dpkg? |
| 20:54.52 | eniac_petrov | hi, samuel and by to all. I am going tho experience, named concole |
| 20:54.58 | eniac_petrov | *console |
| 20:54.58 | ratschnowski | hello, got a question concerning timezone. via tzconfig i configured Berlin/Europe as timezone, but date always gives me a different time |
| 20:55.08 | eniac_petrov | -bye |
| 20:55.15 | astroloulou | hello |
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| 20:55.42 | astroloulou | can someone help me with sendmail please ? I installed it but when try to send email nothing happens |
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| 20:55.52 | Ronin | astroloulou: tried #sendmail? |
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| 20:56.14 | astroloulou | in mail.log it says Queued mail for delivery |
| 20:56.18 | astroloulou | ok i go there =) |
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| 20:57.16 | astroloulou | noone talking there ^^ |
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| 20:57.34 | Ronin | astroloulou: well be patient |
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| 20:58.17 | astroloulou | i am, but if someone here use sendmail, it would be great too =) |
| 20:59.39 | fasta | !anyone |
| 20:59.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:59.41 | abrotman | does this look like an S&M club? |
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| 21:00.14 | Ronin | abrotman: feels like it some days |
| 21:00.16 | Ronin | eh |
| 21:00.22 | abrotman | eheh |
| 21:00.37 | abrotman | ever seen canadians laugh eheheheheheh |
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| 21:02.55 | fasta | What's an "SNMP manageable device"? |
| 21:03.01 | fasta | a, even |
| 21:03.09 | samuel | can debian be installed while running another distro? one that doesnt use dpkg? |
| 21:03.17 | abrotman | i think that's selfexplanatory |
| 21:03.21 | abrotman | !debtakeover |
| 21:03.21 | dpkg | hmm... debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 21:03.21 | Ronin | samuel: sure, its called dual booting |
| 21:03.25 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 21:03.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 21:04.33 | samuel | abrotman, thanks! i like the world domination ploy |
| 21:04.37 | samuel | lol |
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| 21:06.31 | yesid | Hello, do I have to download the 2 ISO image for the debian DVD? |
| 21:07.44 | nile | yesid, you can download the netinstall (network install) version. it is only a few hundred megabytes and much better if you're just installing on one or two systems |
| 21:07.55 | nile | yesid, see the website's download page for more info :) |
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| 21:08.36 | yesid | nile, thanks I did that once but I would like to give a chance to download the DVD version and see what i has to offer, ;) |
| 21:08.38 | abrotman | !d-i yesid |
| 21:08.38 | dpkg | yesid, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:08.51 | abrotman | yesid: it's really nothing extra unless you like having a local copy of the packages |
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| 21:11.02 | tsurk0 | hello |
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| 21:11.34 | tsurk0 | i'm installing a packackage with apt-get, which have menuconfiguratoin |
| 21:11.37 | anisfarhana | hello :D |
| 21:11.39 | anisfarhana | greetings all |
| 21:12.19 | tsurk0 | i've selected the wrong option, and i want to select another - i've deinstalled and installed again the package, but it keeps usiing the old option |
| 21:12.34 | tsurk0 | how ot solve that? |
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| 21:15.21 | mikefoo | Is there a way I can tell if ethernet is plugged into an interface from a utility? |
| 21:15.37 | anisfarhana | one stupid question again , i have enable banner for sshd config and do something with /etc/issue.net , my question is , can i make that banner with color ? |
| 21:15.39 | mikefoo | need to know if link is up or down, if in ifconfig, where exactly? |
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| 21:19.32 | waiting | anisfarhana: not all erminals can do color :) |
| 21:19.57 | anisfarhana | waiting: how about debian kubuntu gentoo fedora terminal |
| 21:20.10 | Ronin | didnt know there was such a thing |
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| 21:20.20 | waiting | :))) |
| 21:20.59 | stew | anisfarhana: yes, you can put ansi escape codes in there and hope that whomever sees it is on a capable terminal |
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| 21:21.51 | waiting | well id expect a good terminal system to put out text with color codes in a compatible manner if the hardware is not capable of displaying them |
| 21:22.04 | anisfarhana | stew: hmm , to be honest , i don't know what is ansi escape codes |
| 21:22.37 | stew | anisfarhana: its a google search term :) |
| 21:22.38 | anisfarhana | waiting: how about color on text , in terminal itself ? |
| 21:23.02 | stew | anisfarhana: same thing, you use ansi escape codes |
| 21:23.34 | anisfarhana | stew: Mr Google is tired at the moment ;p |
| 21:23.40 | waiting | I think, ansi can blink even :)) |
| 21:23.52 | anisfarhana | wew blink |
| 21:24.02 | anisfarhana | i will make stew blinking after this |
| 21:24.10 | waiting | <blink>look at this</blink> |
| 21:24.16 | waiting | ^^ |
| 21:25.05 | anisfarhana | http://rrbrandt.dyndns.org:60000/docs/tut/redes/ansi.php |
| 21:25.12 | anisfarhana | wew , that is hard |
| 21:25.12 | amphi | anisfarhana: man console_codes |
| 21:25.15 | waiting | lynx could implement the <blink> format like that :)) |
| 21:25.29 | amphi | heh |
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| 21:25.48 | waiting | jk ^^ |
| 21:26.04 | amphi | waiting: may as well do the 'marquee' tag while you're at it ;) |
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| 21:26.32 | waiting | it's really time to get lynx ready for web 2.0 |
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| 21:26.56 | waiting | alias mplayer=lynx |
| 21:27.00 | stoned | lol |
| 21:27.08 | stoned | thats fucked up right there |
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| 21:27.12 | stoned | hahaha, funny |
| 21:27.37 | stoned | I don't much like marillat's debs of mplayer |
| 21:27.47 | anisfarhana | ESC[#;#;....;#m |
| 21:27.49 | waiting | stoned: I dont use them either |
| 21:27.50 | stoned | its ok in sarge, but in etch/sid they crash constantly |
| 21:27.51 | anisfarhana | # is color code |
| 21:27.56 | anisfarhana | hmm.. |
| 21:28.06 | waiting | anisfarhana: almost there :) |
| 21:28.06 | anisfarhana | ESC[41 this is read ] |
| 21:28.09 | anisfarhana | like that ? |
| 21:28.35 | anisfarhana | ESC[41]<text> ? |
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| 21:28.50 | stoned | !paster me |
| 21:28.51 | dpkg | stoned: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 21:29.54 | stoned | here |
| 21:29.58 | stoned | you can use these if you like |
| 21:30.07 | anisfarhana | ESC[#;#;....;#m , example : ESC[41 red red red] |
| 21:30.08 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3190 <-- these are the color code configs I use in my .bashrc |
| 21:30.09 | anisfarhana | like that ? |
| 21:30.12 | stoned | take a look here |
| 21:30.14 | anisfarhana | ok wait |
| 21:30.15 | stoned | make your life a bit easy |
| 21:30.55 | anisfarhana | hmmm |
| 21:31.07 | anisfarhana | stoned: the problem is i dont know how to implement it on text |
| 21:31.31 | stoned | very easy |
| 21:31.35 | linux2 | quick question |
| 21:31.40 | anisfarhana | this is not newbies job though |
| 21:31.46 | linux2 | how do i turn off the off display stuff? |
| 21:32.04 | linux2 | in debian always after about 5 minutes of me not doing anything my screen turns off |
| 21:32.13 | linux2 | i have checked everywhere about this and got nothing |
| 21:32.25 | linux2 | i have turned off all powermanagement and still |
| 21:32.27 | linux2 | it turns off |
| 21:32.28 | anisfarhana | stoned: ok let say if i want put at /etc/issue.net like this - email : anisfarhana@debian , how to make "anisfarhana@debian" in red ? |
| 21:32.36 | linux2 | can anyone please help me? |
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| 21:33.05 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3191 <-- peek here |
| 21:33.18 | stoned | in the previous paste, I setup variables for colors right |
| 21:33.27 | stoned | in this paste, you simply prepend the variable before the text |
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| 21:33.34 | stew | anisfarhana: echo \033\[41manisfarhana@debian >> /etc/issue.net |
| 21:33.51 | stoned | this paste is actually my command prompt |
| 21:33.55 | stoned | but you get the general idea |
| 21:34.11 | anisfarhana | stew / stoned : but on website they put ESC , what is ESC function ? |
| 21:34.39 | stew | anisfarhana: its 033 in octal (look it up an in ascii chart |
| 21:35.11 | waiting | anisfarhana: also check this out: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3192 |
| 21:35.12 | anisfarhana | stew: yes yes i have http://www.lookuptables.com/ at the moment |
| 21:35.37 | anisfarhana | Ooo 033 is an escape! |
| 21:35.51 | stoned | thats what he said |
| 21:35.52 | stoned | :) |
| 21:36.04 | anisfarhana | and 40 is black background |
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| 21:36.36 | stoned | 30 |
| 21:36.37 | waiting | anisfarhana: yes but it can really mess things up on terminals that can not display colors correctly |
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| 21:37.10 | anisfarhana | stoned: i think 30 is foreground , not background |
| 21:37.14 | stew | anisfarhana: you could also get the esc in bash by typing "ctrl-v esc" insead of using \033 |
| 21:37.15 | anisfarhana | waiting: how about putty for windows ? |
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| 21:37.20 | stoned | yes, everything then will appear as \033\[XX blahblahblah |
| 21:37.29 | stoned | quite fucked looking |
| 21:37.29 | acid | hi |
| 21:37.46 | stoned | putty displays colors fine |
| 21:37.51 | waiting | anisfarhana: often works, sometimes doesn't ^^ depends on the server, too |
| 21:38.14 | stoned | anis farhana |
| 21:38.27 | stoned | my two best mates back home are named Anis, and the girl is called Farhana |
| 21:38.28 | stoned | heh |
| 21:38.31 | stoned | thats crazy |
| 21:38.49 | stoned | well, he spells his name Anees |
| 21:38.52 | stoned | but same thing |
| 21:39.05 | anisfarhana | stoned: anisfarhana is my full name , not with 2 girls ;p |
| 21:39.07 | LinuxHelp | A few minutes after I posted "you suck" to my issue.net the "hacker" gave up haha |
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| 21:39.22 | srdjannnnn | omg |
| 21:39.24 | srdjannnnn | :) |
| 21:39.25 | stoned | anisfarhana, farhana is a female name, your nick is basically lastnamefirstname then/ |
| 21:39.31 | waiting | LinuxHelp: thats what I call instant messaging |
| 21:39.35 | srdjannnnn | https://www.015inter.net/named.conf.1 --can someone tell me what is wrong with my config |
| 21:39.36 | LinuxHelp | lol |
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| 21:39.47 | stoned | !repeat |
| 21:39.47 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:39.53 | beardy | And Anis is the (swedish atleast) name of a spice, used in bread and snaps. Lickoricy taste. |
| 21:39.54 | anisfarhana | stoned: correct but i'm not from Europe ^^ |
| 21:40.10 | anisfarhana | beardy: good to hear it |
| 21:40.11 | anisfarhana | :D |
| 21:40.14 | stoned | anisfarhana, I know, its farsi/arabic |
| 21:40.19 | AciD | I have a -big- problem, fsck -y erased many, many essential files from my debian system. Files like inittab (which prevent me from booting it). Is there a way to rebuild all those essential files ? |
| 21:40.22 | anisfarhana | stoned: you are good then :) |
| 21:40.40 | stoned | anisfarhana, I also know that farhan is one of the 99 qualities of the Deity named Allah |
| 21:40.41 | anisfarhana | stoned: but i'm still not arabian ;p |
| 21:40.47 | stoned | i know too much |
| 21:40.51 | waiting | AciD: sure, exchange the harddisk and restore the backup |
| 21:40.51 | stoned | "he knew too much" |
| 21:40.56 | anisfarhana | stoned: are you muslim ? |
| 21:40.58 | stoned | no |
| 21:41.08 | srdjannnnn | dns help here https://www.015inter.net/named.conf.1 :))) |
| 21:41.14 | anisfarhana | stoned: then i believe you know so much :) |
| 21:41.16 | moprilo | hi.. i have a debian PC as proxy. I need to test my internet bandwidth, is there any page with a text-based test? |
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| 21:41.44 | stoned | moprilo, elinks + any bandwidth testing site should work |
| 21:41.45 | AciD | waiting > I only backup data, not system :/ |
| 21:41.59 | stoned | elinks is great, and iirc it also supports javascript does it not? |
| 21:42.07 | stoned | not sure on that one |
| 21:42.17 | waiting | AciD: I can not really judge your situation from remote, sorry :) |
| 21:42.26 | moprilo | ..ok thanks i'll try it |
| 21:42.31 | anisfarhana | so i will put this word at /etc/issue.net like this = "\033\[31anisfarhana@debian" , correct ? |
| 21:42.34 | Malagmyr | off-topic: what happens if I connect the positive pole of two batteries, and connect the negative poles of those same two batteries? nothing? |
| 21:42.37 | waiting | AciD: pay me :D I come by w helicopter |
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| 21:43.09 | stoned | moprilo, you might try 'bing', debian package, not used it, so Im not sure |
| 21:43.11 | AciD | waiting > the question was just : is there any debian package for restoring systems, via chroot |
| 21:43.24 | stoned | Bing is a point-to-point bandwidth measurement tool |
| 21:43.35 | stoned | moprilo, apt-cache show bing |
| 21:44.03 | waiting | AciD: thats a really heavy task :) in 1000 of 1001 cases it'seasier to install system new |
| 21:44.18 | AciD | :( |
| 21:44.18 | stoned | waiting, net effect is 0 |
| 21:44.23 | stoned | er.. |
| 21:44.25 | stoned | sorry |
| 21:44.31 | waiting | seen |
| 21:44.33 | stoned | Malagmyr, net effect will be 0 |
| 21:44.46 | AciD | waiting > that's a 27GB system :/ |
| 21:44.53 | beardy | Malagmyr: That's a paralellcoupling, if you connect them to something that uses power, the batteries will give power twice the time of one battery alone. (but try #electronics or perhaps #hardware?) |
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| 21:45.05 | waiting | AciD: :o d'oh |
| 21:45.15 | anisfarhana | haha |
| 21:45.24 | anisfarhana | funny , no color |
| 21:45.36 | srdjannnnn | help with dns someone bind9? |
| 21:45.43 | srdjannnnn | i have trouble with view statment |
| 21:45.58 | tonsofpcs | does deb64 have /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 ? |
| 21:46.12 | stoned | tonsofpcs, you need to send me some of them pcs |
| 21:46.21 | stoned | you got tons of em |
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| 21:46.23 | beardy | Malagmyr: Nothing will happen if you don't connect something else to them no. |
| 21:46.24 | stoned | :D |
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| 21:46.37 | anisfarhana | stoned: maybe my terminal do not support it |
| 21:46.52 | tonsofpcs | stoned: want an 80286? |
| 21:47.15 | LordElph | what's the recommended way to ensure iptables rules are setup during boot on debian sarge? |
| 21:48.48 | anisfarhana | stoned / stew / waiting / beardy : thanks a lot , thanks again |
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| 21:49.16 | AciD | O M G |
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| 21:49.33 | stoned | im working on something atm, sorry, *away* |
| 21:49.45 | AciD | waiting > I just mount the / part, and the /etc directory is...gone :O |
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| 21:51.04 | keko_ | hi |
| 21:51.05 | amphi | AciD: that is deeply disappointing |
| 21:51.27 | LinuxHelp | http://prototypejack.selfip.net/ ... can someone please check if they can see this page? :) |
| 21:51.58 | AciD | note to self, never ever use journalised ext3 |
| 21:52.01 | AciD | :| |
| 21:52.06 | LinuxHelp | xfs > all |
| 21:52.09 | Guerin | AciD: whyever not? |
| 21:52.21 | Guerin | xfs is shit if you don't have redundant power |
| 21:52.35 | Guerin | i know i know |
| 21:52.37 | Guerin | you haven |
| 21:52.46 | elik | Hello, I installed Win XP after a linux install, and as expected, it screwed up my MBR... Now, I am trying to restore it with a Morphix Live CD... I chroot to my mounted linux HD partition (/mnt/hda1) and try to run grub-intall /dev/hda... I get error telling me I can't access /dev/null |
| 21:52.48 | Guerin | 't ever havd a problem with it, therefore it's perfect |
| 21:52.54 | AciD | because for no reason, I just lost my /etc directory, thx to fsck.ext3 :| |
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| 21:53.20 | waiting | AciD: did you run fsck on a flesystem thaat was mounted writeable? |
| 21:53.30 | Guerin | elik: morphic probably mounts your drives with nodev. umount them and mount them manually with your own options. |
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| 21:53.52 | AciD | waiting > no, only with the -y option... |
| 21:54.04 | waiting | AciD: how did the filesystem get damaged? |
| 21:54.14 | azeem | AciD: from where did you start e2fsck? |
| 21:54.36 | elik | Guerin, no, drive is not mounted at all, I mount it manually with mount /dev/hda1 -o defaults (default put it RW) |
| 21:54.41 | AciD | I dunno, I have a beaitiful file named "etc" instead of a directory now.. |
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| 21:55.16 | AciD | azeem > from the maintenance shell, during the boot |
| 21:55.37 | Guerin | elik: look at the fstab line for that drive in morphix. |
| 21:55.38 | azeem | AciD: why did you get dropped into it? |
| 21:55.45 | LinuxHelp | So I take it no one wants to see my lighttpd? |
| 21:55.56 | amphi | AciD: yeah, I've had an ext3 fs disintegate on me for nwo obvious reason |
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| 21:56.05 | elik | Guerin, ok |
| 21:56.20 | AciD | azeem > iirc, I switched it off (by hand) yesterday.. |
| 21:56.27 | azeem | uhm, ok |
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| 21:56.40 | azeem | AciD: so it didn't complain it was writable? |
| 21:57.12 | AciD | azeem > i don't remember |
| 21:57.40 | AciD | at least i still have /usr/bin to get the binary names |
| 21:57.55 | AciD | perhaps i can craft a script to apt-get install thoses ones.. |
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| 21:58.13 | azeem | I guess a complete reinstall would be easier |
| 21:58.17 | azeem | but not sure |
| 21:58.21 | elik | Guerin, options are noauto,users,exec |
| 21:58.44 | elik | Guerin, but if I specify arguments when mounting, shouldnt it overide? |
| 21:58.46 | AciD | yeah, but I tend to install a -lot- of stuff :/ |
| 21:59.02 | AciD | I don't want to forget something (being on a laptop..) |
| 21:59.18 | azeem | AciD: try dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 21:59.29 | azeem | !reinstall |
| 21:59.30 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 21:59.34 | azeem | ^^ or that |
| 22:00.08 | Guerin | elik: if you mount it properly, yes - i don't know about the line you used, which doesn't specify the mount point and so on |
| 22:00.22 | AciD | gah, can't copy paste in tty :( |
| 22:00.36 | waiting | AciD: /etc/init.d/gpm start |
| 22:00.45 | elik | Guerin, hum, will try the long way |
| 22:00.52 | waiting | ah, /etc is gone for good |
| 22:00.54 | zOOz | hello |
| 22:01.04 | azeem | AciD: screen has copy&paste support |
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| 22:01.23 | waiting | AciD: gpm -m /dev/psaux -t autops2 |
| 22:01.24 | AciD | waiting what's gpm ? |
| 22:01.31 | waiting | AciD: mouse for tty |
| 22:01.52 | AciD | huhu |
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| 22:02.45 | janus | AciD: gpm enables your mouse/mice on tty |
| 22:03.07 | elik | Guerin, did mount -o rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 , trying chmod and grub-install |
| 22:03.27 | AciD | azeem > the dpkg cmd use a file in /etc/dpkg... |
| 22:03.52 | elik | Guerin, and it work :D |
| 22:04.31 | azeem | AciD: which one? |
| 22:05.01 | AciD | get-selection |
| 22:05.40 | azeem | AciD: I meant which file |
| 22:06.17 | AciD | it's /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg |
| 22:06.59 | azeem | just touch it |
| 22:07.04 | azeem | and/or reinstall dpkg |
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| 22:07.55 | AciD | huhu, having no /etc diectory is funny, nothing work ! |
| 22:08.04 | azeem | indeed |
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| 22:08.05 | AciD | I'll have to reinstall :( |
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| 22:08.46 | waiting | AciD: but this is fun :D leave the system this way, having no /etc/passwd is very secure :) |
| 22:09.45 | janus | AciD: not sure but maybe you could do a bootstrap install to a temp folder, copy the /etc from the bootstrap to /etc and do a base-confi? |
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| 22:10.20 | waiting | I wrecked my /etc once, I simply installed from CD everything till the system ran again |
| 22:10.30 | waiting | but then the package list was messy |
| 22:10.56 | waiting | it's not a really ... clean solution |
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| 22:11.29 | symtab | hi |
| 22:11.38 | symtab | any ideas what package contains /usr/include/zlib.h |
| 22:11.39 | symtab | ? |
| 22:11.49 | azeem | zlib1g-dev |
| 22:12.49 | symtab | thanks |
| 22:13.10 | AciD | that's a good idea janus |
| 22:13.12 | beardy | symtab: /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:14.09 | azeem | beardy: well, that doesn't work on unstable currently |
| 22:15.00 | AciD | janus > how can you install debian in a folder (and not on a full partition) ? |
| 22:15.32 | symtab | thanks |
| 22:16.32 | beardy | azeem: Did for me, and I doubt the name of the package is different even if it doesn't. |
| 22:16.50 | azeem | beardy: apt-file is broken on unstable |
| 22:17.07 | beardy | azeem: /msg dpkg search, not the only thing mentioned, but ok. |
| 22:17.29 | azeem | well, apt-cache search /usr/include/zlib.h doesn't yield anything... |
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| 22:17.58 | beardy | azeem: Asking dpkg does. |
| 22:18.10 | azeem | ah |
| 22:18.42 | beardy | azeem: And unless http://packages.debian.org is not broken again, it will too. |
| 22:19.08 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=%2Fusr%2Finclude%2Fzlib.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
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| 22:19.29 | azeem | !find /usr/include/zlib.h unstable |
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| 22:19.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/include/zlib.h' returned no results. |
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| 22:20.50 | beardy | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=zlib.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 22:21.05 | beardy | !+find zlib.h sid |
| 22:21.06 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:21.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zlib.h' (6 of 55): (/usr/include/zlib.h) in libdevel/zlib1g-dev ;; (/usr/include/bzlib.h) in libdevel/libbz2-dev ;; (/usr/include/sword/zlib.h) in libdevel/libsword-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/zlib/zlib.h) in devel/mozilla-dev ;; (/usr/include/dclib/core/czlib.h) in libdevel/libdc0-dev ;; (/usr/include/linux/zlib.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers. |
| 22:21.56 | azeem | cool |
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| 22:22.40 | opee2 | hey everyone! |
| 22:22.51 | azeem | so hopefully apt-file works on unstable again as well |
| 22:23.12 | opee2 | can someone tell me the best place for docs and the best wat to setup a network printer? |
| 22:23.28 | beardy | azeem: It will sometime anyway ;) I'm not running unstable currently or reachable, so I can't check. |
| 22:23.32 | janus | AciD: check out http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu_p4 |
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| 22:23.52 | beardy | !docs |
| 22:23.52 | dpkg | i heard docs is before asking in here, *please* read the available documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename, man packagename, and http://linuxdoc.org/, or some packages have separat doc packages (e.g. bash-doc), or try the 'info' system |
| 22:23.57 | janus | AciD: it's a xen setup but it will get you a basic debian installation. |
| 22:23.59 | beardy | opee2: ^^^ |
| 22:24.23 | AciD | k |
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| 22:24.35 | beardy | !tell opee2 -about printing |
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| 22:26.04 | beardy | opee2: You probably want to use CUPS to setup your printer to be reachable over your network. |
| 22:26.34 | beardy | !cups setup |
| 22:26.34 | dpkg | from memory, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 22:26.44 | opee2 | ok got that, but my buddy who has been helping me has not been able to get cups to work |
| 22:27.26 | beardy | opee2: Then for anyone to help you you need to describe the problem as best you can, and give us any errors, if you get any. |
| 22:27.47 | janus | does anyone know of any tutorial/how-to/thoughts on how to effectively manage an update strategy for about 100 debian machines? |
| 22:27.49 | opee2 | ok well im going to get started and then just go from there |
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| 22:29.06 | beardy | janus: Search for something that accesses multiple boxes over ssh, but gives you only one terminal to actually type in? Don't remember the name, but it exists. |
| 22:29.29 | beardy | janus: Probably mentioned along with the word "cluster". |
| 22:29.39 | AciD | I already heard of that thing |
| 22:30.26 | janus | beardy: hehe wish it was a cluster. i already have access through ssh keys. just looking for a nice way to monitor available updates and a way to keep track of successfull updates. any thoughts? |
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| 22:31.29 | beardy | janus: Yeah, I just meant that if you try to find it, a search which includes "cluster " probably will find it. |
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| 22:31.41 | beardy | janus: Are these machines identical in hardware and software? |
| 22:31.41 | Twig-raptor | Whats the command to re-run the xfree86 config tool? |
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| 22:31.48 | beardy | !drxx Twig-raptor |
| 22:31.48 | dpkg | Twig-raptor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:32.07 | Twig-raptor | cheers |
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| 22:32.54 | abchirk | hm i dont get any password auth on my apache i made a.htacces like this -> http://nopaste.info/cd477c201d.html ; and with htpasswd i generated for user tets a passwd, but i can stil access the DIr on apache? Does anyone have an hint? |
| 22:33.01 | abchirk | its apache2 |
| 22:33.07 | beardy | janus: If the upgrades is installed on one of the machines, it will most likely do so on the rest of the 99. |
| 22:33.42 | janus | beardy: they are not identical; some are still running woody while the most are running wody |
| 22:34.19 | beardy | janus: but, trusting it like that will of course mean that 32 of them don't, so perhaps you could run the upgrading in a cronjob, on every machine, and write a little script to send you mail if errors has occured? |
| 22:34.19 | Luke-Jr | abchirk: AllowOverride needs to be in the main apache config |
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| 22:34.42 | abchirk | yes i added it there too under a Directory option |
| 22:34.45 | Luke-Jr | abchirk: AllowOverride controls what .htaccess is allowed to do |
| 22:34.51 | Luke-Jr | does it allow auth? |
| 22:34.56 | beardy | janus: You know that woody is oldstable and has no longer secutiry upgrades? |
| 22:35.14 | abchirk | yes |
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| 22:36.11 | janus | beardy: i am very much aware about the woody vs sarge update thing. unfortunately some customers don't :-) |
| 22:36.42 | beardy | janus: I'd go for cronjob, then you have to do the work once (hopefully) and then only if errors occur. |
| 22:37.36 | beardy | janus: But, how are you going to upgrade woody machines at all, if you aren't going to upgrade them to sarge? Upgrade them with what? |
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| 22:37.58 | beardy | janus: It's more than just a "thing" really.. |
| 22:38.02 | janus | beardy: i'm thinking about a system where i can create one package per machine that contains all available updates. this package just installs everything. apart from making sure the machine is up to date it also makes sure that the customer has not installed any 'weird' packages. good idea? |
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| 22:38.48 | opee2 | beardy: the first thing i see is MFC-3820JN is not listed as supported on the database... however there is what i think is an alternative on Brother's website |
| 22:39.02 | janus | beardy: obviously we will have to convince the customers to switch but this is not really my issue at the moment |
| 22:39.08 | Luke-Jr | janus: I think the problem is that there are no updates for woody, thus you have nothing to update with |
| 22:39.19 | beardy | janus: It will not be any available updates unless you upgrade to sarge. And, have a look at auto-apt or what it's called. But, you sound you get payed for this, so, figure it out. |
| 22:39.45 | Twig-raptor | er, ok, so i ran the dpkg-reconfigure thing - now wheres it stuck the output? |
| 22:39.56 | Luke-Jr | janus: explain to the customers that it is no longer supported and unless they let you upgrade them, hackers will get in |
| 22:40.06 | beardy | crackers |
| 22:40.09 | Luke-Jr | (not 'might get in'-- *will*) |
| 22:40.15 | janus | Luke-Jr: that's obviously what i am doing |
| 22:40.15 | Luke-Jr | beardy: I imagine he needs to use dummy-english |
| 22:40.39 | Luke-Jr | corporate idiots think 'hackers' = 'crackers' |
| 22:40.48 | beardy | Luke-Jr: Keeping people ignorant is never good. |
| 22:41.01 | Luke-Jr | beardy: crackers are yummy =p |
| 22:41.17 | beardy | Or encouraging ignorance. |
| 22:41.24 | SeanTater | I perfer those with cheese |
| 22:41.25 | Luke-Jr | beardy: some people like to be ignorant, and pay for that priviledge |
| 22:41.28 | xerophyte | with tar say if archive has /home/username/mysql .. public_html folder .. how can i only extrac the public_html folder |
| 22:41.49 | beardy | Luke-Jr: Those who get paid to give them the privilege should not be. |
| 22:41.54 | Luke-Jr | xerophyte: append the path/files you want to the tar extraction command |
| 22:42.12 | beardy | Luke-Jr: And, if the people want to be ignorant, this is not the place to be it. |
| 22:42.13 | xerophyte | Luke-Jr, example please |
| 22:42.17 | Luke-Jr | beardy: true, but as long as those people exist, they force everyone else to |
| 22:42.28 | beardy | Luke-Jr: Not at all. |
| 22:42.31 | Luke-Jr | xerophyte: tar xjpvf file.tbz2 public_html |
| 22:42.58 | Luke-Jr | beardy: if they can fire the non-ignorant-tolerant and replace him with someone who allows ignorance, they will |
| 22:43.54 | xerophyte | Luke-Jr, if this work tar zxvf crush.tar.gz public_html |
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| 22:44.14 | neuro_damage | so I was wondering how ot have a kernel with cpufreq stuff builtin ? |
| 22:44.21 | beardy | Luke-Jr: It's their problem then. (Yes I know you have to eat, it's probably a matter of choice and need, if one needs to stay to eat, or if one prefers to get food by not being turned ignorant) |
| 22:44.21 | Twig-raptor | er, ok, so i ran the dpkg-reconfigure thing - now wheres it stuck the output? |
| 22:44.48 | beardy | Luke-Jr: Anyway, you don't have to turn ignorant in your own mind. |
| 22:45.11 | beardy | Ah, what one word can cause.. |
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| 22:45.34 | neuro_damage | and please don't say build your own kernel, was hoping there was a 2.6.* kernel image that was built with this in it? |
| 22:45.45 | neuro_damage | or if there is a apt-get something that can resolve this issue? |
| 22:46.30 | beardy | neuro_damage: If no debian kernel has those things compiled in, what do you think people will tell you? (I don't know if it has though.) |
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| 22:48.01 | kreg_work | anyone know how to work with ntp.conf? tyring to run a time server only on a certian ip |
| 22:48.04 | kreg_work | not "all" interfaces |
| 22:48.07 | jnjb | hello |
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| 22:48.37 | beardy | kreg_work: Read the documentation. /msg dpkg docs, and ntp.org has it too. |
| 22:48.58 | beardy | kreg_work: And the config file is even full of comments. |
| 22:49.13 | jnjb | i have a question about the fat32 parts on etch |
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| 22:49.19 | neuro_damage | beardy, nor do I that's why I'm asking :) |
| 22:49.37 | neuro_damage | beardy, otherwise the custom built must be ahead of me shortly, which isn't too much work but work none-the-less |
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| 22:50.14 | beardy | neuro_damage: Just meant that "build the module, or kernel" is the right answer if it is the right answer, wheither you like it or not. |
| 22:50.30 | beardy | jnjb: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:50.38 | jnjb | i try to can read write on partitions whith an user |
| 22:50.44 | beardy | !vfatrw |
| 22:50.44 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 22:51.07 | vlt | Hello. I want to put a hylafax job into sendq again, that is in doneq now because sending failed (timeout). I tried "faxalter" but server answers "already done", Does anyone know how to do that? |
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| 22:51.29 | neuro_damage | if i have a fresh system, how do I get Xorg on it instead of XFree86? |
| 22:51.36 | neuro_damage | 3.1r2 system btw |
| 22:51.42 | neuro_damage | which oddly comes with 2.4 |
| 22:51.58 | beardy | neuro_damage: Preferebly you don't. If you insist though, use a backport. |
| 22:52.09 | beardy | neuro_damage: /msg dpkg backport |
| 22:52.20 | janus | Luke-Jr: thanks for your advice (and beardy) but i'm still wondering about something; how are your experiences with a dist-upgrade compared to a migration on a newly installed sarge machine? will the dist-upgrae be as stable as a new installation? |
| 22:52.21 | neuro_damage | beardy, so I have to use backports for that ok, thank you |
| 22:52.26 | beardy | neuro_damage: Comes with a 2.6 kernel too. |
| 22:52.52 | neuro_damage | ok |
| 22:53.14 | beardy | neuro_damage: linux26 or expert26 when booting an installdisc (yes, reading the Installation Guide is good) |
| 22:53.26 | jnjb | an second can you look my fstab please |
| 22:53.29 | jnjb | http://pastebin.ca/92804 |
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| 22:57.29 | stoned | omg! |
| 22:57.40 | stoned | dudes, you gotta see this ANTI WAR protest! http://forum.vlepvnet.bzzz.net/files/images/tits.preview.jpg |
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| 22:58.11 | stoned | to all the underage/family oriented people, DO NOT click the link |
| 22:58.17 | ic56 | jnjb: read the mount manpage. option "user" is for allowing ordinary users to mount the filesystem. |
| 22:58.18 | nile | stoned, ... |
| 22:58.33 | stoned | breasts, NOT BOMBS! |
| 22:58.37 | stoned | lol, thats awesome |
| 22:59.02 | beardy | Hadn't "Boobs not bombs" been much better looking? |
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| 22:59.21 | stoned | well, we could have used better looking boobs |
| 22:59.45 | CHodapp | AAARGH |
| 22:59.49 | CHodapp | It's the principle of it, people |
| 23:00.04 | beardy | Indeed. |
| 23:00.11 | stoned | few years ago, there used to be a site called, "Smoke For Peace.com |
| 23:00.21 | stoned | stoner Anti-War |
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| 23:00.43 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
| 23:00.53 | stoned | hi |
| 23:01.20 | phogg | I had a had my root hard disk go bad recently. I installed another disk and reinstalled Debian, but I don't want to take a lot of time to reconstruct my previous package state and configuration. Before the drive went cmpletely bad I was able to pull off what I believe is a complete set of files via cp -R --preserve=all and they are now sitting on a remote mount. Why is it stupid to rsync those files back over / ? |
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| 23:01.46 | keko_ | http://forum.vlepvnet.bzzz.net/files/images/tits.preview.jpg |
| 23:02.02 | Arafangion | phogg: Not that stupid, really, though hardlinks could be an issue. |
| 23:02.12 | jnjb | thank you ic56 |
| 23:02.20 | beardy | Arafangion: Are there any by default? |
| 23:02.24 | stoned | icdeadpeople :( |
| 23:02.34 | phogg | Arafangion: I had very few hard links not under /home, which is on a seperate disk anyway |
| 23:02.48 | Arafangion | phogg: Be a bit better to copy /etc, /var, and other data, and dpkg --get-selections. and do a fresh install. |
| 23:02.54 | PumpkinPie | redhat has no online repository of binaries that are automatically fetched and installed? like on debian? |
| 23:03.05 | ic56 | jnjb: yw! There is a script we give to people in #Ubuntu that automates the process. It works on debian too. You want? |
| 23:03.12 | stoned | PumpkinPie, you do realize you're asking a redhat related question in debian |
| 23:03.13 | beardy | PumpkinPie: WHy ask us? |
| 23:03.13 | Arafangion | PumpkinPie: I'm pretty sure redhat has Yum |
| 23:03.28 | stoned | PumpkinPie, you're inviting trouble :) |
| 23:03.31 | PumpkinPie | haha |
| 23:03.41 | peterS | PumpkinPie: it's true. your question is off-topic |
| 23:03.44 | jnjb | yes ic56 |
| 23:04.00 | phogg | beardy: a quick look reveals a few hard links in /usr/bin on this fresh debian system |
| 23:04.15 | ic56 | jnjb: point your browser to http://ca.geocities.com/ic56@rogers.com/65/diskmounter-latest.txt Page down to "Instructions", and read till the next blank line. Follow the instructions to save and run the file. It will setup your /etc/fstab and mountpoints in /media so you can see your NTFS filesystems in Places> Computer. |
| 23:04.16 | Luke-Jr | janus: I've never installed or upgraded a Debian system |
| 23:04.17 | ic56 | jnjb: The script will ask you if you want to enable NTFS write. Answer no. If you already tried unsuccessfully to add your Windows filesystems to /etc/fstab , add a -b flag to the script invocation. I authored this version, so I can help if anything goes wrong. |
| 23:04.30 | beardy | phogg: I see. Thought symlinks were the only ones used. |
| 23:04.56 | beardy | phogg: What Arafangion said is a good idea. |
| 23:05.03 | peterS | beardy: for the most part this is true. gzip|gunzip|zcat is one historical example where hardlinks have been used on all systems, and I guess the debian maintainer did not feel it worthwhile to change this |
| 23:05.05 | janus | Luke-Jr: nice of you to come and entertain us! |
| 23:05.05 | jnjb | thank you ic56 i study that |
| 23:05.13 | holycow | hey guys ... i have a simple spam blocking server setup and running but would like to copy it to a vmware image. which directories do i need to copy over to effectively image the install without messing up any of the device related settings? |
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| 23:05.34 | Luke-Jr | janus: I do understand the concepts of stuff, and I use preinstalled Debian vservers |
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| 23:06.01 | ic56 | jnjb: if you want the script to make a backup copy of your existing fstab, use the -b option |
| 23:06.02 | beardy | peterS: Ah. But it has no funcional difference, only historic then? |
| 23:06.20 | peterS | beardy: in a place like /usr/bin there is no functional difference |
| 23:06.29 | sky0 | janus: dist-upgrade works like a charm for me; I am still amazed by how well it works. you should (will) spend some time (when updating) to check if something was removed/not updated (especially software installed from outside sources, 3rd-party deb repositories & pinned packages and their deps) |
| 23:06.54 | fasta | What does "Who has <ip-address on my network>? Tell <another-ip-address on my network> " mean? I get that when I look at my packets using ethereal. |
| 23:07.19 | fasta | The ARP protocol output these messages. |
| 23:07.19 | ic56 | jnjb: note, it won't call the new mountpoint /dos , like you had it. It will call it /media/hda4 You can change it after. |
| 23:07.23 | peterS | fasta: those would be arp packets |
| 23:07.34 | stew | fasta: its a machine trying to figure out a mapping of ip address to ethernet card, read about ARP |
| 23:07.42 | peterS | fasta: if you don't know what arp is, you should look it up, it's pretty important on ethernet networks |
| 23:08.20 | fasta | peterS: Address Resolution Protocol, IIRC. |
| 23:08.32 | peterS | fasta: yes. so if you know that already, why are you asking? |
| 23:08.38 | fasta | peterS: But I don't really want to be a network engineer.... |
| 23:08.41 | charasky | arp traslate ip to MAC |
| 23:08.51 | charasky | MAC = medium access control |
| 23:08.54 | peterS | fasta: then why are you bothering to read raw packet dumps? |
| 23:08.55 | stew | fasta: then stop using ethereal :) |
| 23:09.03 | janus | sky0: thanks for the info. do you maybe have any clues on what i might expect? apache/postfix issues that you know of? |
| 23:09.51 | charasky | host -----> udp with MAC adress ---> DHCP |
| 23:09.59 | peterS | fasta: your questions are quite inconsistent. "What does this packet from this low-level protocol do? oh, I don't really want to know what that protocol is, because I don't want to be a network engineer." - make up your mind. |
| 23:10.01 | fasta | peterS: The first IP address is of a machine that's currently offline. |
| 23:10.11 | charasky | host <----- udp with ip <----- DHCP |
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| 23:10.29 | phogg | Arafangion, beardy: I already have an installed system on the some new (raid'd!) disks. Is there a document I can read on using the result of --get-selections to update this system? What happens if there are some package which no longer exist? |
| 23:10.53 | charasky | proto arp = Table with 00:00:00:00--->ip |
| 23:10.59 | beardy | fasta: Move along now, you don't need to know anything about anything, let those nifty engineers at $evil_corporation handle that. |
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| 23:11.21 | fasta | beardy: Uhm, actually I do know something. |
| 23:11.26 | peterS | beardy: if you want to learn what arp is, it's a good idea not to tell the channel that you _don't_ want to learn what arp is |
| 23:11.52 | beardy | !reinstall everyting |
| 23:12.22 | beardy | peterS: Yeah? I'm not saying otherwise, I agree. |
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| 23:12.26 | phogg | I'm pretty sure I've still got a few files from potato hanging around, such as certain gaim sound files. |
| 23:12.53 | KasperTech | HELP! I did an 'apt-get upgrade' and now 'glxinfo' and 'glxgears' makes Xorg restart!! |
| 23:12.55 | KasperTech | What do I do? |
| 23:13.09 | beardy | !reinstall |
| 23:13.10 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 23:13.14 | charasky | dhcp needs mac addresses to give ips |
| 23:13.16 | beardy | phogg: ^^^ |
| 23:13.26 | phogg | beardy: danke |
| 23:13.30 | charasky | demostration |
| 23:13.35 | charasky | ping any IP |
| 23:13.42 | KasperTech | Anyone? |
| 23:13.45 | charasky | arp -a |
| 23:13.49 | KasperTech | I'm nearly crying. :| |
| 23:13.49 | peterS | KasperTech: for one thing you switched from debian stable to either testing or unstable. perhaps you didn't mean to use an unsupported distribution? |
| 23:14.01 | charasky | it list cache arp |
| 23:14.03 | peterS | KasperTech: if you don't want your system to break, you should use stable |
| 23:14.06 | charasky | ip----mac |
| 23:14.15 | peterS | charasky: yes, I think he stopped listening about 5 minutes ago |
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| 23:14.27 | KasperTech | peterS, Okay. Now I know that... I'll change it to stable whenever I get this sorted out. |
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| 23:14.41 | stoned | hey |
| 23:14.43 | stew | cheese sandwich <-- belarus <--- badgers |
| 23:14.44 | charasky | peterS :P |
| 23:14.44 | KasperTech | Can I undo the latest "apt-get upgradee", or ?? |
| 23:14.56 | stew | KasperTech: what version of debian are you running? what version of xserver-xorg do you ahve installed? |
| 23:15.03 | phogg | KasperTech: not automatically |
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| 23:15.12 | stoned | thingfish, you know what profession make me laugh? |
| 23:15.30 | beardy | KasperTech: And not easily, if at all. |
| 23:15.35 | fasta | charasky: That says one of the machine names is <incomplete> (because it's offline) |
| 23:15.37 | stoned | thingfish, proctologist. At some point in that doctors life, he decided he wanted to spend his life working on people's bungholes, crazy huh |
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| 23:15.48 | KasperTech | stew, 2.6.15-1-686 and 7.0 |
| 23:15.57 | stoned | KasperTech, thats the kernel version |
| 23:15.59 | KasperTech | beardy, :( |
| 23:16.03 | KasperTech | Oh. |
| 23:16.04 | stew | KasperTech: which driver are you using for xorg? |
| 23:16.12 | fasta | charasky: I am just wondering where it comes from.. some program must be trying to send something to that machine, right? |
| 23:16.14 | zenwryly | Anyone know how I would resize a JPEG based on filesize? I don't care about anything other than hitting my target file size. I was looking at ImageMagick but can't find anything. |
| 23:16.15 | thingfish | stoned: hehe |
| 23:16.16 | beardy | stoned: Someone has to? |
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| 23:16.23 | kiwi_ | hey |
| 23:16.27 | stoned | beardy, yes I suppose ;) |
| 23:16.29 | thingfish | stoned: maybe it pays real well |
| 23:16.31 | KasperTech | I'm running "etch" and I am using nvidia -> stew. |
| 23:16.38 | kiwi_ | how do i instal a .deb that i just download ? |
| 23:16.40 | janus | zenwryly: check convert |
| 23:16.44 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:16.45 | dondelelcaro | kiwi_: dpkg -i foo.deb; |
| 23:16.46 | azeem | kiwi_: use apt-get instaed |
| 23:16.46 | kiwi_ | apt-get ...something ? |
| 23:16.51 | kiwi_ | thanks :) |
| 23:17.03 | Arafangion | zenwryly: Use an iterative approach. |
| 23:17.04 | charasky | fasta something? |
| 23:17.04 | sky0 | janus: you are welcome; I have little recent experience with either of those; depending on the complexity of your current setup problems may arise when a config has to be (auto?) converted on a major-version update. Can't really answer :-( |
| 23:17.22 | janus | sky0: thanks anyway :-) |
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| 23:17.27 | Arafangion | zenwryly: But, why do you want to do this? |
| 23:17.30 | zenwryly | janus: I have been looking at convert, haven't found it |
| 23:17.32 | charasky | broadcast, frames |
| 23:17.38 | stew | KasperTech: do you actually need 3d support? would it be possible for you instead to use the free driver? |
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| 23:17.45 | zenwryly | Arafangion: resize an image to be small enough to attach to an email |
| 23:17.56 | Arafangion | zenwryly: I See. |
| 23:17.58 | peterS | fasta: if you have any interest in what ARP is, you'll understand what causes ARP packets to be generated. if you don't have any interest in what ARP is, you can just ignore all of these packets. |
| 23:18.01 | beardy | zenwryly: small enough is? |
| 23:18.09 | KasperTech | stew, I'm quite in the need for 3d support yes. |
| 23:18.13 | MickMcMack | !amd64 |
| 23:18.13 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 23:18.21 | SSH-Joe | how do I get php(4) and mysql to work together, have installed php4-mysql... |
| 23:18.30 | Arafangion | zenwryly: Use the Gimp. |
| 23:18.31 | fasta | peterS: so, it's a normal thing that those get broadcasted over the network by my router? |
| 23:18.45 | charasky | yes fasta |
| 23:18.51 | charasky | is normal |
| 23:18.58 | peterS | fasta: if some computer has an interest in that IP address, yes |
| 23:18.58 | zenwryly | beardy: 500k |
| 23:19.00 | stew | SSH-Joe: make sure that /etc/php4/xxx/php.ini has a line "extension=mysql.so" where xxx is somehting like apache or apahce2 or cli |
| 23:19.03 | stoned | stew, even though, in my case, I don't need 3d support, but I HAVE to use the nvidia drivers and cannot make do with the free ones. I use twinview, and that is not supported in nv/free. Do you/anyone/ maybe know why there is no TwinView support in the free nvidia drivers? |
| 23:19.15 | Arafangion | zenwryly: Make the image as physically small as you can, then lower the resolution. The reason why I say gimp and not imagemaick, is that only the eye can really make the final decision. |
| 23:19.20 | Arafangion | zenwryly: That's huge! |
| 23:19.20 | zenwryly | Arafangion: I looked at the gimp too. I didn't see a resize by file size option |
| 23:19.21 | beardy | zenwryly: Just scale it to 640x480. |
| 23:19.23 | daxxar | How can I get php5's "mysqli" under Debian Sid? There used to be a php5-mysqli package, but it's gone. :| |
| 23:19.33 | MickMcMack | I just upgraded X and now I can't launch new X aps, any pointers? >_> |
| 23:19.33 | beardy | zenwryly: I agree, it is HUGE. |
| 23:19.38 | MickMcMack | (Using unstable) |
| 23:19.44 | fasta | peterS: for a definition of "interest" I need to read the RFC for ARP? |
| 23:19.49 | stoned | MickMcMack, what error do you recieve? |
| 23:19.55 | zenwryly | beardy: well I want to lose as little as possible |
| 23:20.07 | Arafangion | zenwryly: It does provide a quality setting for which the size is shown. |
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| 23:20.21 | peterS | fasta: define it however you want. if you care about ARP, learn about ARP. if you don't care about ARP, IGNORE THE ARP PACKETS IN YOUR ETHEREAL DUMP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS |
| 23:20.23 | beardy | zenwryly: Lose what? size? |
| 23:20.24 | MickMcMack | stoned, "cannot connect to X server :0.0" |
| 23:20.25 | zenwryly | Arafangion: k |
| 23:20.32 | zenwryly | beardy: detail |
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| 23:20.39 | fasta | peterS: point taken, thank you |
| 23:20.42 | janus | MickMcMack: check the X config |
| 23:20.44 | stoned | MickMcMack, but you can get into X? |
| 23:20.45 | KasperTech | Does anyone have a solution? I'm going mad over this. : ( |
| 23:21.01 | MickMcMack | stoned, I don't know. I've not restarted X since I upgraded. |
| 23:21.11 | MickMcMack | janus, what would I be looking for? |
| 23:21.11 | stoned | MickMcMack, check /var/log/xlogs it seems like an X authority issue |
| 23:21.17 | Kevin` | last I saw ethereal made arp rather simple, showing "who has" and "is at", etc |
| 23:21.26 | janus | MickMcMack: probaby the auth package |
| 23:21.39 | janus | you might want to do a restart of X |
| 23:21.45 | MickMcMack | /var/log/xlogs: No such file or directory |
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| 23:21.50 | Kevin` | it's not like you need to know the format of the packets to understand it |
| 23:21.52 | stoned | MickMcMack, /me sighs |
| 23:21.53 | MickMcMack | I'm scared if I restart X it just won't restart. :X |
| 23:21.58 | stoned | dude use your head huh |
| 23:22.00 | janus | MickMcMack: /var/log/X* |
| 23:22.02 | MickMcMack | Sorry. >_< |
| 23:22.07 | peterS | KasperTech: let's see ... you're using a driver which isn't shipped by debian at all since it isn't free software, and you're using it with a distribution which isn't released as stable. I wonder why you're having trouble getting help. |
| 23:22.32 | KasperTech | peterS, I see your point. |
| 23:22.35 | stoned | MickMcMack, no offense mate, with all due respect, if you actually checked for /var/log/xlogs man you shouldn't be using SID |
| 23:22.38 | stoned | really |
| 23:22.45 | janus | MickMcMack: if you can't start X you will have a normal prompt; no reason to pannic |
| 23:22.47 | MickMcMack | I can't use tab autocompletion at the moment, I keep getting this error: "error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" |
| 23:23.05 | Kevin` | hm that sounds ugly :) |
| 23:23.12 | KasperTech | Yet I would do nothing more than to switvh to stable, it's just... I really need this. |
| 23:23.22 | Arafangion | stoned: Unless you're a debian developer or tester, I don't see why _anyone_ should use SID. |
| 23:23.24 | amphi | MickMcMack: are you in a shell in a directory that you deleted? |
| 23:23.28 | beardy | zenwryly: Just put the images somewhere and tell the people to grab them? Or use The Gimp, as Arafangion said, it's "save as" jpeg, shows you the file size as you decide on the quality setting. |
| 23:23.29 | MickMcMack | Nosir. |
| 23:23.34 | stew | MickMcMack: your $PWD is proabably a directory which was deleted. try typing "cd" and try again, or start a new shell |
| 23:23.35 | stoned | Arafangion, exactly |
| 23:23.56 | stew | MickMcMack: if you want, you can test starting a second xserver as startx -- :1 |
| 23:23.59 | stoned | !tell MickMcMack -about sid faq |
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| 23:24.19 | beardy | Arafangion: But it has all the latest gnome and kde!! |
| 23:24.22 | SSH-Joe | THX 'stew' , for making me check that again, just me not seeing that it was outmarked :p |
| 23:24.23 | stew | MickMcMack: and your x lots are /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:24.33 | Arafangion | beardy: Ohh, nice, updated icons(!) |
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| 23:24.39 | Kevin` | anyone know where the openvpn config file and such is supposed to reside? |
| 23:25.22 | mrgenixus | hello, Whenever I try to burn a cd in nautilus-cd-burner the program resonds 'unable to write to cd' there is no other output when run from a terminal -- any suggestions |
| 23:25.24 | ziro01 | fun |
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| 23:25.38 | MickMcMack | Failed to open module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 23:25.40 | Arafangion | Kevin`: man -k openvpn; man openvpn; in the case of a pathetically documented program, fish around in /etc |
| 23:25.49 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Or even a dot-file in ~/ |
| 23:25.51 | mrgenixus | MickMcMack: have you compilesd the module |
| 23:25.59 | stoned | MickMcMack, change nvidia to nv for right now, to test |
| 23:26.00 | amphi | mrgenixus: try with cdrecord and see if that gives a more useful error message (or works ;) |
| 23:26.04 | MickMcMack | mrgenixus, it's worked for the past 12months. :-\ |
| 23:26.06 | fasta | peterS: Ok, I read about the arp protocol. From this I conclude that my router asks the machine I am running now, whether this machine knows the hardware address of the machine the router is asking about. Does that sound right? |
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| 23:26.08 | stoned | MickMcMack, worry about module building later when you h ave X working at least |
| 23:26.09 | mrgenixus | amphi: thank ou |
| 23:26.20 | Kevin` | Arafangion well there's a /etc/openvpn folder, but it's empty |
| 23:26.33 | peterS | fasta: no. the router asks the entire network. if nobody answers, nobody answers. |
| 23:26.34 | beardy | Arafangion: No it's much more, I need the latestest software (I will never say which one in particular or why I "need" it though). And I'm in a hurry to, this is URGENT!! k? |
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| 23:26.47 | mrgenixus | MickMcMack: you upgraded your kernel without updating the corresponding nvidia module, or you have a newer version of nvidia-glx, than you do nvidia-kernel |
| 23:26.56 | MickMcMack | Ah, I see. |
| 23:26.59 | Arafangion | beardy: Pfft, you should be using Vista. |
| 23:27.03 | amphi | beardy: my ls(1) is too old |
| 23:27.06 | Kevin` | beardy then compile the latest software yourself for you game or whatever that needs it |
| 23:27.09 | peterS | fasta: the nice thing about arp is that it rarely breaks, so you can filter it out of your ethereal output, forget you ever heard of it, and never regret it |
| 23:27.10 | stoned | Arafangion, you should get spanked for that ;) |
| 23:27.11 | fasta | peterS: Yes, I know it asks the whole network. |
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| 23:27.38 | beardy | Yay, all cluebies swallowed.. |
| 23:27.41 | mrgenixus | can someone give me a command for cdrecord for burninfg an image/? |
| 23:27.50 | amphi | Arafangion: all the more as it's less secure than xp, apparently |
| 23:27.52 | peterS | mrgenixus: cdrecord image.iso |
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| 23:27.59 | Kevin` | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -vv file.iso |
| 23:28.13 | amphi | mrgenixus: assuming /etc/default/cdrecord is correct |
| 23:28.15 | peterS | mrgenixus: though most people need to use 'dev=/dev/cdrom' or similar, because they haven't set up cdrecord to know automatically where the CD-RW drive is |
| 23:28.24 | stew | mrgenixus: and assuming that you are running a 2.6 kernel and not a 2.4 kernel |
| 23:28.27 | sky0 | mrgenixus: you could begin with: cdrecord --scanbus |
| 23:28.28 | Arafangion | amphi: Apparently - they've rewritten the entire network stack, afaik, so who knows what issues they have now. |
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| 23:28.58 | Kevin` | cdrecord -scanbus will only work for old (2.4) kernels with scsi emulation or usb/scsi devices |
| 23:29.01 | mrgenixus | can someone give me a command for cdrecord for burninfg an image/? |
| 23:29.04 | mrgenixus | cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl |
| 23:29.11 | mrgenixus | sorry |
| 23:29.16 | peterS | mrgenixus: maybe do it as root then |
| 23:29.18 | Kevin` | there's no reason to use it in 2.6, although it is possible with some crazy options |
| 23:29.19 | stew | mrgenixus: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:29.29 | Arafangion | Is there a debian package that sets up a desktop-oriented system automatically? I'm talking - installs everything that tasksel installs for a "desktop" system, plus automounting utilities, usb mounting, hibernation and all that shit? |
| 23:29.30 | amphi | mrgenixus: cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 23:29.46 | mrgenixus | 2.6.17-1-k7 |
| 23:29.55 | beardy | Arafangion: Use Vista. |
| 23:29.56 | Kevin` | from experience, it's faster to give a device node then an atapi: device.. cdrecord actually works faster |
| 23:30.10 | stew | mrgenixus: do you know which device is your cdrom? is it /dev/cdrom? /dev/hdc perhaps? |
| 23:30.16 | beardy | Arafangion: Just bouncing back ;) |
| 23:30.27 | mrgenixus | it's both /dev/cdrom and /dev/hdc |
| 23:30.29 | Arafangion | beardy: Low Blow! |
| 23:30.36 | beardy | Arafangion: True. |
| 23:30.43 | janus | Arafangion: try dselect |
| 23:30.57 | beardy | ... |
| 23:31.04 | stew | mrgenixus: try "cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom /path/to/iso" as root. if you can run it as user you probably need to be added to the cdrom group and log out and back in (adduser username cdrom) |
| 23:31.16 | Arafangion | janus: What I want is to get the convenience of an ubuntu installation, with the long-term stability and reliability of Debian. |
| 23:31.29 | peterS | stew: sometimes not even that - some kernels have additional permission checks that don't allow cdrecord to run setuid root |
| 23:31.42 | Kevin` | what's so specail about ubuntu.. debian install is plenty easy |
| 23:31.43 | beardy | Arafangion: tasksel doesn't bring in all that? |
| 23:31.43 | peterS | i.e., the kernel requires that cdrecord run really as root, not just setuid root |
| 23:31.53 | Arafangion | beardy: No. |
| 23:31.55 | stew | well that's silly |
| 23:32.12 | beardy | Arafangion: FIgure out tasksel and fix it? |
| 23:32.19 | amphi | Kevin`: really? atapi:device works ok here, but I'll give that a try |
| 23:32.20 | Arafangion | beardy: Hmm. |
| 23:32.41 | Kevin` | really really |
| 23:32.45 | Luke-Jr | amphi: /dev/cdrw works here |
| 23:32.54 | mrgenixus | so I can wrtoe as root, but the user is already in the cdrom group and cdrecord is 4755 |
| 23:33.13 | janus | Arafangion: not sure what packages you would like to be inculed but using the basic debian desktop setup seems like a good choice. if you want to add/remove packages you an maybe make a boostrap image? |
| 23:33.20 | beardy | Arafangion: Make your own task, based on "desktop". |
| 23:33.37 | Arafangion | beardy: That actually sounds like a really decent idea. |
| 23:33.42 | Luke-Jr | apt-get install kde4 |
| 23:33.46 | beardy | Arafangion: Of course. |
| 23:33.59 | peterS | mrgenixus: blame your kernel, some Linux kernel versions don't allow cdrecord to run properly unless it was invoked by the root user |
| 23:34.08 | mrgenixus | I don't think so |
| 23:34.16 | mrgenixus | I'm running a stock debian kernel |
| 23:34.20 | stew | or just blame schilly, just for fun |
| 23:34.27 | mrgenixus | I run the same on a differnt machine with success |
| 23:34.39 | peterS | mrgenixus: yes, some of the stock debian kernels are this way |
| 23:34.53 | mrgenixus | wel, how about stock kernles for the last 15 versions |
| 23:34.54 | peterS | mrgenixus: but don't believe me, go find a better answer |
| 23:34.55 | beardy | Isn't it more a group thing? |
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| 23:35.06 | beardy | Atleast it was.. |
| 23:35.11 | peterS | beardy: isn't what more a group thing? |
| 23:35.19 | beardy | peterS: Running cdrecord. |
| 23:35.21 | Luke-Jr | use sudo =p |
| 23:35.26 | Arafangion | beardy: Well, it's silly to expect the average dude who's installing debian as a desktop to do that - _unless_ they have several systems, and uses Debian on many systems - which I do. |
| 23:35.37 | mrgenixus | I want nautilus-cd-burner to work |
| 23:35.50 | mrgenixus | I can runthat from graphical as root without some serious messign with stuff |
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| 23:36.07 | peterS | beardy: yes and no. cdrecord can be set to mode 4754, which means that in order to execute it you have to be in a specific group. but this is not the issue I'm talking about. the issue I'm talking about is more at the kernel level |
| 23:36.11 | Ashex | can anyone recommend a CL bittorrent client that's not rtorrent or bittorrent-curses? |
| 23:36.19 | beardy | Arafangion: It only takes one dude, because of course you will give your solution to the tasksel package maintainer, or group, when you have made it work nicely. |
| 23:36.28 | peterS | Ashex: no, the one I'd recommend is rtorrent. |
| 23:36.40 | Ashex | dang |
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| 23:36.50 | Ashex | the tracker i use banned rtorrent |
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| 23:37.04 | [hC-] | how can i force my kernel to load the network drivers in a particular order? |
| 23:37.10 | beardy | peterS: I see. (haven't run cdrecord more recent than woody's) |
| 23:37.13 | [hC-] | I cant find the info on google anywhere.. |
| 23:37.20 | Arafangion | I'm off. |
| 23:37.27 | Arafangion | Cya beardy. |
| 23:37.42 | peterS | [hC-]: best option is probably to put the driver module names in /etc/modules in the order you desire |
| 23:38.00 | [hC-] | peterS: I tried that, and it ignored it and used its own order anyways. |
| 23:38.02 | peterS | [hC-]: this is, however, not guaranteed to give you exact ordering of ethN, in 2.6 kernels, thanks to that wonderful property of asynchronicity |
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| 23:38.29 | [hC-] | peterS: i have a tg3 and a via_rhine... there's a bug where if via_rhine loads first, the tg3 driver bombs.. so, i need tg3 to be loaded first. |
| 23:38.32 | beardy | Arafangion: Bye. Good luck with the tasksel fiddling. |
| 23:38.34 | Luke-Jr | driver order should not be assumed anyhow |
| 23:38.50 | peterS | Luke-Jr: tell him how to solve his problem then |
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| 23:38.50 | Luke-Jr | fix the bug? |
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| 23:38.58 | peterS | Luke-Jr: maybe you can help him fix the bug |
| 23:38.58 | beardy | Arafangion: And don't forget to share it. |
| 23:39.07 | [hC-] | Luke-Jr: Id love to, but i dont have time at the moment. |
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| 23:40.06 | Arafangion | beardy: It probably won't happen for a while - first I have to change my laptop over to Debian, which is currently running Ubuntu. |
| 23:40.06 | [hC-] | so, any ideas other than /etc/modules? |
| 23:40.10 | janus | [hC-]: if the /etc/modules option does not work maybe you can add it to an init script? eg only modprobe a module when you really need it? |
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| 23:41.04 | sky0 | [hC-]: do you know which script/prog loads the modules? 'discover'? How about a manual modprobe in a bootscript running earlier? |
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| 23:43.22 | fasta | beardy: man tasksel doesn't specify a grammar for writing custom task files. |
| 23:43.32 | [hC-] | aha, discover.conf |
| 23:43.36 | [hC-] | maybe ill make it skip em and load in modules. |
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| 23:44.25 | beardy | fasta: Who said it would? |
| 23:44.42 | tuv | what is the easiest way to define a proxy for apt-get? |
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| 23:45.14 | KasperTech | Hello. |
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| 23:45.41 | KasperTech | Since you were unable to help me I found my own solution, should anyone feel the need to see it, it is avaible at wiki.debian.org. |
| 23:45.53 | beardy | fasta: Looking at the files that describe the tasks is probably a better idea, and start looking at debian.org for some information about it, but check /usr/share/doc/tasksel first. |
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| 23:46.02 | janus | [hC-]: not sure if that will work. maybe adding a modprobe to the network init script wll load the correct module first? |
| 23:46.51 | KasperTech | Regarding the lack of knowledge from your side, I must advise you to visit. Thank you for your time, and have a good night. : ) |
| 23:47.06 | beardy | fasta: Or whatever they are, perhaps they are only metapackages, I really don't know, or care at the moment personally. |
| 23:47.20 | fasta | beardy: Ok, I didn't look there (/usr/share/doc/tasksel). It's good enough. |
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| 23:49.07 | tacocat | Hi: Can someone remind me what the key phrase is for the script(s) to install NVidia video drivers on debian installations? |
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| 23:51.30 | PumpkinPie | im in a redhat channel complaining about how redora is going down the drain and its so crappy.. etc etc and no one argues or says otherwise lol |
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| 23:51.46 | simonrvn | tacocat: '/msg dpkg tell me about nvidia one-liner' ? :) |
| 23:51.47 | PumpkinPie | thats hilarious |
| 23:51.58 | dvs | PumpkinPie: Oh. Don't say that to the new lead QA person. ;-) |
| 23:52.04 | simonrvn | that's called trolling |
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| 23:54.38 | neuro_damage | so apparently my mouse couldn't be detected |
| 23:55.18 | neuro_damage | cannot init /dev/input/mice? |
| 23:55.20 | neuro_damage | anyone? |
| 23:55.37 | dvs | neuro_damage: uname -r |
| 23:55.53 | neuro_damage | i'm using 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 23:56.39 | dvs | neuro_damage: PS/2? |
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| 23:56.58 | neuro_damage | dvs, apparently not according to dmesg |
| 23:57.10 | neuro_damage | but i'ts my laptop mouse that it's not detecting, it's synaptic touchpad |
| 23:57.29 | beardy | !touchpad |
| 23:57.29 | dpkg | i heard touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2 |
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| 23:57.46 | itrebal | is there a provided eclipse package in debian? |
| 23:58.03 | beardy | !tell itrebal -about search |
| 23:58.07 | simonrvn | in non-free there's bits |
| 23:58.56 | neuro_damage | beardy, tried that, no luck apparently |
| 23:59.11 | neuro_damage | same problem, the kernel isn't detecting the device yet there are device nodes setup , which is really odd |
| 23:59.32 | Daishi | does linux have any sort of fat32 fsck? i know theres like a dosfsck or something but i also know those tools dont actually CORRECT any disk errors |
