| 00:00.27 | beardy | Daishi: Have you tried searching the web for one? |
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| 00:01.51 | Daishi | beardy: i did a few months ago |
| 00:02.09 | beardy | neuro_damage: The kernel doesn't detect them really, and this "detection" has only been done since udev and the like started to be used, before that, device nodes existed and things worked. I don't see the point of dynamically fiddling with devices other than hotpluggable ones.. |
| 00:02.10 | simonrvn | try again, might have one that popped up |
| 00:02.30 | simonrvn | @beardy++ |
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| 00:03.08 | neuro_damage | beardy, me either, sucks when I'm trying to use usb mass storage stuff, always have to edit my /etc/fstab |
| 00:03.11 | neuro_damage | with udev |
| 00:03.18 | nkuttler | Daishi: dosfstools |
| 00:03.55 | nkuttler | Daishi: nevermind |
| 00:04.08 | dvs | neuro_damage: What? udev was designed so that you wouldn't have to change device names whenever you plug them in |
| 00:04.12 | simonrvn | if udev had a cache so it would "remember" device files used it wouldn't be so bad... |
| 00:04.32 | neuro_damage | yeah i'm guessing that's the next stage |
| 00:04.36 | simonrvn | it doesn't always behave that way though |
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| 00:04.42 | simonrvn | dvs ^^ |
| 00:05.01 | dvs | simonrvn: it hasn't let me down yet. |
| 00:05.18 | simonrvn | well i wouldn't use it on a server, for sure |
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| 00:07.21 | dvs | simonrvn: Actually, I don't use it on mine at home here. ;-) |
| 00:07.32 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 00:07.47 | beardy | heh |
| 00:08.39 | simonrvn | dvs: where you from? |
| 00:09.04 | dvs | simonrvn: Toronto |
| 00:09.13 | simonrvn | born there? |
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| 00:09.24 | dvs | simonrvn: close by |
| 00:09.33 | simonrvn | cool |
| 00:09.49 | unix_infidel | anyone know of any sites that have numbers regarding the encryption overhead for something like scp as compared to an open transfer protocol like SMB, NFS, FTP etc etc |
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| 00:10.25 | simonrvn | me, lived in montreal most of my life, and born in northern alberta |
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| 00:10.44 | beardy | unix_infidel: you mean the impact on speed, or what do you mean? |
| 00:10.55 | unix_infidel | beardy: impact on transfer speed. |
| 00:11.09 | unix_infidel | assuming one compressed file of course. |
| 00:11.32 | dvs | simonrvn: I wouldn't mind living there now. There's money in those hills! |
| 00:11.40 | stew | Peikko: please turn that off in here |
| 00:11.40 | dvs | Alberta that is |
| 00:11.40 | stoned | eh, eh? |
| 00:11.42 | stoned | haha |
| 00:11.45 | beardy | unix_infidel: Also depends a lot on what systems included in the transfer. |
| 00:11.46 | stoned | damn eh |
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| 00:11.55 | stoned | canada eh? |
| 00:11.55 | iter | yay |
| 00:12.16 | unix_infidel | beardy: to be more specific : one tar.gz, 100MB file, standard ata 100HD, 100BaseT |
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| 00:12.26 | jelly | unix_infidel: os/cpu? |
| 00:12.37 | beardy | unix_infidel: _operating_systems |
| 00:12.40 | unix_infidel | jelly: *nix to *nix, |
| 00:12.49 | unix_infidel | 2.0Ghz+ |
| 00:12.57 | Ronin | dvs: indeed, they cant get folks in fast enough to work in alberta |
| 00:13.17 | jelly | unix_infidel: sparc/solaris is particulary slower than linux, so it matters which OS and which arch. |
| 00:13.19 | beardy | unix_infidel: If you want it secure, it doesn't really matter though.. |
| 00:13.21 | unix_infidel | what i'm looking for is URL's that have done the tests already and have just posted their real world results. |
| 00:13.32 | dvs | Ronin: Yeah. Too bad I didn't buy property there about 3 or 4 year ago. |
| 00:13.33 | unix_infidel | jelly: that's understandable. |
| 00:13.50 | simonrvn | dvs: the tar sands are causing a lot of problems |
| 00:13.50 | unix_infidel | jelly: linux to linux, x86 |
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| 00:14.14 | Ronin | dvs: heh my sister lives there and her house doubled in value in that time theyd love to sell but then youhave to buy in that boom market too |
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| 00:14.18 | dvs | simonrvn: problems? |
| 00:14.18 | simonrvn | the exploitation of them, that is |
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| 00:14.41 | unix_infidel | beardy: security is not an issue, its intranet. |
| 00:14.54 | unix_infidel | basic home setup. |
| 00:14.56 | dvs | simonrvn: Yeah, I'd imagine that they'd have to displace so many people to get at it |
| 00:14.59 | beardy | unix_infidel: netcat unencrupted then. |
| 00:15.04 | jelly | unix_infidel: ought to be a reasonably large percentage of theoretical 12.5MB then. |
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| 00:15.28 | unix_infidel | basically what i'm looking for is, given specific control data, this is the real world transfer speeds we achieved. |
| 00:15.30 | beardy | unix_infidel: Or whatever suits you best, ftp, samba, nfs. |
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| 00:15.49 | unix_infidel | and this is the percentage overhead we calculated. |
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| 00:16.18 | FernandoM | How can i get on /proc where are the cdrom drivers that a computer have? |
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| 00:16.37 | beardy | FernandoM: dmesg is probably nicer to read. |
| 00:17.21 | simonrvn | the lubicon cree, for example, have been fighting for years to get recognised, and get their rights respected... fucking hard :(. i won't get into it here, but i'll say this: there's always a downside to this sort of thing |
| 00:17.35 | jelly | unix_infidel: here's some totally unscientific numbers: samba 5-6 MB/s. NFS 11-12MB/s, ftp like NFS. scp maybe 5 MB/s and lots of CPU, using blowfish cipher. |
| 00:17.55 | beardy | FernandoM: but, /proc/device/hd?/model or something like that, Iäve seen it but don't remember exactly.. |
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| 00:18.02 | unix_infidel | jelly: odd that the SMB protcol is slower. |
| 00:18.16 | dvs | simonrvn: I believe you. |
| 00:18.17 | unix_infidel | but like you said, totally unscientific. |
| 00:18.20 | FernandoM | beardy: what should i look for on dmesg? |
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| 00:18.29 | jelly | unix_infidel: yes, but it's the fact. It's faster on Windows <-> windows, maybe 8-9 MB/s. |
| 00:18.31 | simonrvn | i know you do :) |
| 00:18.40 | beardy | FernandoM: dmesg | grep hd |
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| 00:19.06 | unix_infidel | jelly: i used to be able to get 10-12MB/s on SMB. |
| 00:19.17 | unix_infidel | you're using the same files/ |
| 00:19.20 | FernandoM | beardy: thanks |
| 00:19.30 | jelly | unix_infidel: give me your smb.conf! :-) |
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| 00:19.45 | beardy | FernandoM: Or | grep rom or ROM |
| 00:19.58 | unix_infidel | jelly: hah, its really stripped down, really doesnt make a difference. |
| 00:20.00 | iter | yeah smb is actually quite fast from my bsd machine to windows |
| 00:20.07 | Vladi | hi, is there a tool for linux that tells me how many total byes i download from a web page just by going to a url? |
| 00:20.12 | _xabo | How do i make so its not possible to login direct on the Root account? |
| 00:20.18 | _xabo | And.. block ssh access for user "ircd" ? |
| 00:20.30 | iter | _xabo: chsh nologin |
| 00:20.41 | beardy | _xabo: By configuring sshd. |
| 00:21.05 | DocOC | _xabo: you don't want to be able to login as root? |
| 00:21.07 | iter | /etc/ssh/sshd_config iirc |
| 00:21.13 | iter | if you want to go that route |
| 00:21.31 | beardy | _xabo: The "not to be able to login as root" is already there, just remove the comment. |
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| 00:21.38 | _xabo | aha |
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| 00:22.14 | jelly | _xabo: rtfm sshd_config, look for AllowUsers for users other than root. There also the fairly self-describing PermitRootLogin |
| 00:22.32 | beardy | _xabo: and for ircd, probably what iter said, and, the same as for root in the sshd config, just to be sure. |
| 00:22.53 | iter | yeah I would change ircd to nologin shell |
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| 00:23.23 | iter | a bit more low level than changing sshd_config |
| 00:23.32 | _xabo | is it possible to make a IPv6 gateway in Debian? |
| 00:23.34 | snadge-w | does anyone know how to configure apache-ssl to support php properly? apache is running php scripts fine.. but ssl tries to download the script instead of run it? |
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| 00:23.43 | jbrimble | Does Debian sarge support PCI Express? |
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| 00:23.51 | unix_infidel | yes. |
| 00:24.42 | dvs | jbrimble: PCIe just looks like PCI so yes. |
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| 00:25.15 | snadge-w | why does /etc/apache-ssl/modules.conf not contain any references to php, even though i have installed it? |
| 00:25.23 | beardy | jbrimble: It's a kernel thing, not a distribution thing really. And yes, I'd be surprised if you get any problems. |
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| 00:27.39 | sky0 | Vladi: you want to do this in a shell-script/terminal? a little tricky because you need to download (at least some of) the content to check the size (need html code to get the urls for images, ... , frameset, ...); I would start by reading the wget/curl man-pages. |
| 00:28.19 | Vladi | sky0: no gui based tool for X? |
| 00:28.23 | PumpkinPie | where is the debian 64 channel ? |
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| 00:30.44 | sky0 | Vladi: opera displays the complete (?) size of the current page, there are probably ways to make firefox do the same; otherwise no idea |
| 00:31.57 | _xabo | what should i do with my server, to secure it most? |
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| 00:32.15 | sky0 | unplug the network ;-) |
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| 00:34.06 | jdrake | Is there a way to go through the installed programs based on install size? |
| 00:34.43 | DocOC | now this is strange - I have a windows machine with a shared printer, and when I try to print to it from debian using cups and smb, it crashes the printer driver on windows. |
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| 00:38.42 | Vladi | sky0: thanks |
| 00:38.49 | interferon | i'd like a custom application to start whenever my webserver starts. where can i find information on writing simple initscripts? |
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| 00:39.06 | mhall | How do I get OOo to add captions for tables to the table of contents? I can't get this to work at all and I swear it used to happen automatically. |
| 00:39.12 | sky0 | Vladi: you are welcome |
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| 00:39.42 | simonrvn | jdrake: look at dpigs, in debian-goodies |
| 00:40.05 | xerophyte | with screen how can i get session name i type screen -ls its give me pid.tty.host but when i try screen -r pid.tty.host its no session avaialble but i know thre is screen session how can i rettach |
| 00:40.35 | jdrake | simonrvn: wonderful, thank you |
| 00:41.27 | simonrvn | there's neat stuff in debian-goodies |
| 00:41.36 | dvs | simonrvn: hence the name |
| 00:41.43 | simonrvn | yup :) |
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| 00:42.36 | iter | xerophyte: try screen -dr |
| 00:42.59 | simonrvn | mhall: hello |
| 00:43.18 | xerophyte | iter, thx it works |
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| 00:43.43 | beardy | It's often screen's DWIW. |
| 00:43.58 | iter | what's DWIW |
| 00:44.03 | beardy | !dwiw |
| 00:44.04 | dvs | !dwiw |
| 00:44.13 | beardy | Do What I Want |
| 00:44.18 | iter | ah |
| 00:45.16 | tacocat | simonrvn: I'm a little slow (downloading updates for 2 hours), but the dpkg msg is just the ticket. Thank you... |
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| 00:47.51 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 00:52.15 | jdrake | Has anyone witnessed the occasional replaying of the journal on a reiserfs that takes forever to compelte? |
| 00:56.27 | simonrvn | haven't used reiser |
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| 00:58.25 | Nexus | I just used the etch net installer, and am now trying to get my server back up to speed. I tried to install ntpdate, but it says that it doesn't exist, but is referenced to. Do I need to pull it from stable? And how would I do that? |
| 00:58.37 | jbrimble | I'm setting up my network printer. How do I type the host name to my Windows box? smb://workgroup/machine/printer ? |
| 00:59.24 | DocOC | jbrimble: smb:/ip-address/printer-name |
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| 01:00.14 | jbrimble | ah, got it |
| 01:00.23 | grendal_prime | WHERE THE HELL IS DPKG?? |
| 01:00.50 | unix_infidel | dpkg: ping |
| 01:00.50 | dpkg | pong |
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| 01:01.19 | nn | where the hell did killall go? |
| 01:01.21 | grendal_prime | !multimedia |
| 01:01.39 | larrikin | where the hell is my coffee cup ? |
| 01:01.50 | nn | i'm aware it's in psmisc, but when did it stop being in the base system? that really disturbs me.. |
| 01:01.50 | Pryon | where in hell is Carmen Sandiego? |
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| 01:02.00 | grendal_prime | dpkg: multimedia |
| 01:02.06 | jbrimble | Regarding my printer setup, no drivers are coming up. |
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| 01:02.09 | grendal_prime | ? |
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| 01:02.17 | Pryon | dpkg tell me about multimedia |
| 01:02.20 | grendal_prime | what is the new address of nerim.net? |
| 01:02.28 | nn | Anyone know how to get a CAC working with muscle/pcscd? |
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| 01:05.22 | DocOC | nn: why should killall be in the base system? Kill is quite good enough. |
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| 01:09.27 | nn | DocOC: Not when you need to axe a run-away process ;\ |
| 01:10.31 | dondelelcaro | nn: uh... if you don't have psmisc installed, I don't know what you're doing. |
| 01:10.47 | nn | dondelelcaro: It wasn't there when i installed, i have no idea... |
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| 01:11.07 | dondelelcaro | nn: it's not required, but if you use tasksel or any other similar system it'll be installed. |
| 01:11.26 | nn | dondelelcaro: I used tasksel as a desktop system |
| 01:11.28 | dondelelcaro | nn: what base is in Debian is merely the set of packages required to install more packages. |
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| 01:13.15 | nn | hmm i need to get some ArcGIS on Debian action goin on |
| 01:13.42 | dondelelcaro | nn: uh... I kind of doubt that, since most parts of the desktop task depend on gconf2 which depends upon psmisc |
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| 01:14.16 | nn | dondelelcaro: I dunno man, it's just well.. not there.. maybe apt got a little confused during my recent upgrade |
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| 01:17.31 | mhall | simonrvn: 'lo simon, sorry for lack of reply |
| 01:17.36 | mhall | simonrvn: i was busy hacking |
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| 01:25.25 | Vladi | http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/ is there anything like this for linux? |
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| 01:27.45 | DocOC | Vladi: there are so many programs like that for linux that I couldn't possibly list them all. Search freshmeat.net for 'proxy' |
| 01:28.19 | tanob | hello, anybody know where is the kio plugin for webdav on debian ? |
| 01:28.36 | tanob | in the package kdebase-kio-plugins i just have docbooks ... |
| 01:30.15 | simonrvn | snmp is fun |
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| 01:32.12 | simonrvn | tanob: that's all i have too. it's based on http 1.1, konq groks it IIRC |
| 01:32.31 | mhall | simonrvn: well ttyl, i'm headed back home now |
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| 01:35.02 | tanob | simonrvn, sorry, 'groks'? |
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| 01:43.36 | m1ke_l | i just slide an orinoco pcmcia wireless card into debian sid, modprobe'd orinoco, added wlan0 entry to interfaces |
| 01:43.50 | m1ke_l | still nothing |
| 01:44.24 | m1ke_l | i still dont get what associate's a driver/module to its hardware |
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| 01:44.53 | Mohua | don't orinocos show up as ethx? |
| 01:46.12 | m1ke_l | hmmm...it did in this other kernel.... |
| 01:46.19 | m1ke_l | ill work on this some more and come back |
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| 01:48.36 | simonrvn | !grok |
| 01:48.36 | dpkg | from memory, grok is to understand something completely, to take it in and make it part of you so that you never forget it,need consider it, as you simply *know*(grok) everything about it |
| 01:48.40 | simonrvn | tanob: ^^ |
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| 01:49.38 | tanob | simonrvn, thanks again |
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| 01:49.51 | tanob | i've created a bug report for this |
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| 01:52.45 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 01:58.56 | zob000 | anyone: i am going crazy here ... i am passing diff -aur --exclude-from=<file> yet i stll get /CVS/Entries diffs ... yes the file contains */CVS/* |
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| 02:05.21 | jbrimble | I'm trying to configure my printer. When i click next there are no drivers in the list. How can I populate this list with generic drivers (for my HP Printer) |
| 02:05.24 | redcliffe | hi - i've got a dead dvd, and i'm wondering if theres a way i can use dd or something to try and read the raw bitstream from the dvd |
| 02:05.57 | jbrimble | hey redcliffe, neighbour :P |
| 02:05.57 | jetscreamer | dd_rhelp is better, but yes |
| 02:06.06 | redcliffe | anyone know if dd does that? i've tried it already with dd if=/dev/hdc of=file and it stops at 32kb |
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| 02:06.28 | jetscreamer | google dd_rhelp is a front end to dd_rescue which is a front end to dd ( i think) but anyway dd_rhelp |
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| 02:06.42 | redcliffe | jbrimble: is that a tool that'll help, or does it just mean you live near the place my nick is after? |
| 02:06.46 | jetscreamer | yes it does that use dd_rescue or even better dd_rhelp |
| 02:07.01 | jetscreamer | you'll have to google for dd_rhelp dd_rescue is apt-gettable htough |
| 02:07.01 | redcliffe | jetscreamer: ah ok thanks |
| 02:07.06 | jbrimble | sorry redcliffe. just a friendly hello |
| 02:07.18 | redcliffe | oh ok lol, hi jbrimble |
| 02:11.19 | redcliffe | will be interesting to see if this works, seems like a case of dvd rot to me |
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| 02:11.49 | redcliffe | less than a couple of years old, and was reading it the other day, then i couldn't read a few files, then i couldn't even mount the disk, all within the space of a few hours |
| 02:12.49 | rhys | just wanted to mention this. osu = ohio state, no oklahoma state. :) check osu.edu. we win. |
| 02:12.57 | rhys | redcliffe, never trust optical media |
| 02:13.05 | redcliffe | rhys: yeah |
| 02:13.06 | jetscreamer | the thing about dd_rhelp is it will get the accessible data first, and go back to the long hard to get messed up data |
| 02:13.29 | redcliffe | these days i use hdd |
| 02:13.45 | redcliffe | jetscreamer: ah ok, so far it's got nothing |
| 02:13.54 | rhys | redcliffe, tapes, or remote hd is best. |
| 02:13.57 | redcliffe | yeah |
| 02:14.19 | redcliffe | i could have got the data back easily if ext3 supported undeletes |
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| 02:14.50 | redcliffe | i can't manually scan for the data because i gpg crypt my backup media |
| 02:15.03 | redcliffe | so basically i'd be looking for random data |
| 02:15.14 | redcliffe | which a hard drive will probably be full of |
| 02:15.25 | rhys | redcliffe, why crypt? |
| 02:15.46 | redcliffe | got all my accounts stuff, confidential customer records and stuff like that |
| 02:16.09 | redcliffe | so given i stored it offsite, i wanted to make sure no one could just read it and steal people's info |
| 02:16.34 | rhys | pretty easy to do to put a computer in a safe |
| 02:16.36 | rhys | actually |
| 02:16.37 | rhys | .. |
| 02:16.41 | rhys | idea. |
| 02:17.02 | redcliffe | yeah i'm thinking safety deposit box might be the best solution |
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| 02:17.37 | rhys | actually i was thinking making a water cooled micro ITX computer with 1TB of storage offsite with a T1 line in a safe. |
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| 02:17.45 | rhys | just an idea thou |
| 02:17.46 | CyberMad | what packages should i prepare to install web server (mysql server, apache2, php4 & php5, phpmyadmin). I already do apt-get install mysql-server, how is the other? |
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| 02:26.44 | FernandoM | Why do i get this permission when trying to mounting a cdrom? -> drwx------ 5 400 401 4096 2003-10-05 16:41 cdrom0 |
| 02:30.25 | DocOC | FernandoM: because that's what your fstab says? |
| 02:30.55 | FernandoM | DocOC: fstab looks like this---> /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:31.03 | FernandoM | how can i fix it, in order to group cdrom |
| 02:31.07 | FernandoM | have access to it? |
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| 02:33.51 | DocOC | FernandoM: what user did you mount it as? |
| 02:34.19 | FernandoM | root and a normal user called fernando |
| 02:34.33 | FernandoM | both mount with those strange users (?) called 400 and group 401 |
| 02:34.56 | DocOC | FernandoM: check /etc/mtab |
| 02:35.23 | LordBrain | are you talking about an nfs share? |
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| 02:36.04 | FernandoM | DocOC: thereis nothing there about hdc |
| 02:36.39 | DocOC | FernandoM: currently mounted, and not in mtab? |
| 02:36.41 | LordBrain | if the userid and groupid for a particular file was made by another computer, your local machine may not recognize them and just put the numbers in instead and print ??? as the user |
| 02:37.33 | FernandoM | DocOC: now mounted /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
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| 02:38.50 | digit | hi all |
| 02:39.00 | rhys | ello |
| 02:39.26 | digit | im new to irc |
| 02:39.50 | rhys | yay |
| 02:39.52 | digit | debian is my fav.os |
| 02:39.59 | rhys | double yay |
| 02:40.08 | digit | trying to learn to program |
| 02:40.48 | DocOC | FernandoM: oh, yeah, those permissions have nothing to do with mounting the cdrom, those are the pre-existing permissions on the mountpoint. umount and then change the permissions to whatever you want them to be. |
| 02:41.19 | FernandoM | DocOC: when i umount it i get -> drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 48 2006-06-06 11:50 cdrom0 |
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| 02:42.23 | slew | hi. thinking about swtiching from ubuntu. whats the best version of debian for this switch? |
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| 02:42.46 | phrowzen | can anyone tell me or give me any kind of reasoning, why a server i have hosted at our work (100Mbps) is unable to receive files at maximum throughput through ftp? (proftpd to be exact).. no single upload to the box will go above like 570KB/s... however if i use multiple threads (all the same source/dest) i can achieve the 100Mbps no problem? i thought it was a proftpd issue, but i tested glftpd, and same thing... i tested different source sites too |
| 02:42.57 | DocOC | FernandoM: well, that's no good. anyone can do anything to that directory with those perms. |
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| 02:44.28 | FernandoM | DocOC: right know i just want my cdrom mounted :( |
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| 02:44.38 | FernandoM | i'll check this permissions later |
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| 02:45.29 | wwallace_lap | hello to all |
| 02:46.17 | digit | what happens when you try and mount your cdrom |
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| 02:47.02 | FernandoM | digit: it mounts but whith those strange permissions/owners |
| 02:47.26 | FernandoM | so users that are on cdrom group and should be able to use it, doesn't have permissions to access it |
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| 02:47.58 | nextstate2 | I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it exited without an error. However, it did not overwrite my XF86Config-4 file. It seems to remember my settings when I rerun it. So where is it storing the information? |
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| 02:48.46 | FernandoM | digit DocOC : can you take a look at http://forumdebian.pastebin.ca/92983 |
| 02:49.06 | digit | I dont know enough , but on my box I have to be root |
| 02:49.16 | redcliffe | with debugfs can you turn a bunch of inodes into a file? |
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| 02:51.00 | digit | yes |
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| 02:51.50 | digit | looking now |
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| 02:54.57 | digit | i looked at the file |
| 02:54.57 | FernandoM | damn, i'm trying to mount a cdrom for about 1 hour! |
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| 02:55.13 | cjaymes | hole too small? |
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| 02:56.06 | digit | is this on your home computer |
| 02:56.29 | FernandoM | yes |
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| 02:57.21 | digit | so what happens if you try and shut it down and insert a debian cd when it boots |
| 02:57.33 | digit | you casnt? |
| 02:58.29 | FernandoM | it boots debian cd |
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| 02:59.32 | digit | so can you reinstall the system , or rewrite the /etc/fstab |
| 02:59.43 | FernandoM | i can rewrite |
| 02:59.57 | FernandoM | but can't reinstall the system right now |
| 03:00.28 | digit | make sure if you do that you check it against the /etc/mtab |
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| 03:01.26 | FernandoM | but, how can i mount cdrom and assign it to a group or user? |
| 03:03.26 | digit | I dont know on this but you could try in a shell as the root usr add group |
| 03:04.24 | digit | I dont have all the answers though please dont quote me |
| 03:04.49 | digit | if you use what i say and your syst. breaks sorry |
| 03:05.04 | FernandoM | lol, no problem |
| 03:05.08 | FernandoM | i tried adduser fernando 401 |
| 03:05.16 | FernandoM | but it says group 401 doesn't exist |
| 03:05.25 | simonrvn | um, it needs the group name |
| 03:05.28 | digit | i only use what works till it dont work |
| 03:05.52 | digit | oh i dont know then |
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| 03:06.27 | digit | i know theres a command for getting group info |
| 03:06.52 | FernandoM | i tried cat /etc/group |
| 03:06.54 | simonrvn | getent group foo/### |
| 03:06.56 | digit | mabe you have duplicate users in the cdrom group |
| 03:07.02 | FernandoM | but didn't found nothing about 401 |
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| 03:07.03 | simonrvn | e.g. getent group audio |
| 03:07.12 | simonrvn | e.g. getent group 401 |
| 03:07.24 | simonrvn | the 401 is the group number... |
| 03:07.39 | digit | thank you |
| 03:07.47 | FernandoM | simonrvn: this didn't returned anything |
| 03:07.49 | FernandoM | getent group 401 |
| 03:08.17 | simonrvn | just means it doesn't exist |
| 03:08.22 | FernandoM | ok |
| 03:08.24 | simonrvn | man getent |
| 03:08.25 | digit | brb |
| 03:08.50 | FernandoM | but my cdrom right have permissions like this WHEN mounted -> drwx------ 5 400 401 4096 2003-10-05 16:41 cdrom0 |
| 03:08.57 | FernandoM | using ls -l |
| 03:09.34 | simonrvn | yes.. the system really uses numbers, the names are translated from the numbers. it's called NSS |
| 03:09.56 | simonrvn | should be root:cdrom |
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| 03:10.04 | simonrvn | and 660 |
| 03:10.05 | p0t | hey can C fill in fields in a web form? |
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| 03:10.35 | FernandoM | simonrvn: is there a reason to those permissions? |
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| 03:11.02 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:11.15 | simonrvn | er, which ones? |
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| 03:12.09 | FernandoM | 700 and 400:401 |
| 03:12.12 | FernandoM | how do i change it? |
| 03:12.15 | FernandoM | to root:cdrom |
| 03:12.16 | FernandoM | ? |
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| 03:12.52 | simonrvn | info chmod; info chown |
| 03:12.54 | Kassah2 | How do I refresh the application of /etc/conf.d/? |
| 03:13.01 | simonrvn | !tell FernandoM about grounding |
| 03:13.08 | digit | by bye all |
| 03:13.16 | simonrvn | !tell FernandoM about unix lessons |
| 03:14.11 | DocOC | FernandoM: did you install your current installation on top of an old one without first formatting the drive? |
| 03:14.13 | simonrvn | this my /dev/cdrom: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2006-07-19 06:08 /dev/cdrom -> hdd; brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2006-07-19 06:08 /dev/hdd; |
| 03:14.13 | FernandoM | simonrvn: just look my situation, when the cdrom is not mounted, the permissions are 777. When i mount it i get those crazy permissions. and as you know, i can't chmod or chown a mounted cdrom |
| 03:14.21 | FernandoM | DocOC: no |
| 03:14.29 | simonrvn | um, why are they 777? |
| 03:14.45 | simonrvn | then mount it differently |
| 03:14.47 | FernandoM | i don't know, they are like this when the cdrom isn't mounted |
| 03:14.52 | zephyrus\ | is their anything better than mrtg out nowadays? |
| 03:14.59 | simonrvn | rddtool |
| 03:15.18 | simonrvn | it can use mrtg stuff. you can configure mrtg to generate rddtool stuff |
| 03:15.19 | DocOC | FernandoM: then something is wrong with your passwd and group files. |
| 03:15.29 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 03:15.30 | bws42 | cacti + rrdtool is pretty nice |
| 03:15.42 | zephyrus\ | ya? |
| 03:15.48 | zephyrus\ | mk |
| 03:16.07 | bws42 | yeah I use it for a router I built, and I'm going to use it on my new one as well |
| 03:16.15 | zephyrus\ | cool, thanks |
| 03:16.20 | FernandoM | DocOC simonrvn thanks for the help guys! I'll try to figure out something, have to use windows since i can't read a single cd yet :/ |
| 03:16.26 | zephyrus\ | now, to finish fighting with openssl lol |
| 03:17.04 | simonrvn | i think i'll play with cacti again. just to see if it improved any. there's others out there too |
| 03:17.12 | bws42 | installing the cacti package will install everything you need |
| 03:17.59 | Kassah2 | I just installed that from source... working with the guys in #cacti I couldn't get the package working |
| 03:18.16 | bws42 | what was wrong? |
| 03:18.25 | Kassah2 | it wasn't displaying graphs |
| 03:18.31 | Kassah2 | if I went to graph management |
| 03:18.37 | Kassah2 | it would show 149 graphs |
| 03:18.39 | simonrvn | i know, thanks |
| 03:18.41 | Kassah2 | and the proper pagation |
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| 03:18.48 | bws42 | okay |
| 03:18.53 | Kassah2 | but just below that it would say 'No Graphs Found' |
| 03:19.07 | Kassah2 | and the Graph view showed nothing |
| 03:19.33 | bws42 | do you have mysql 5 installed? |
| 03:19.36 | simonrvn | yeh, the package is pretty borked... even with bugs |
| 03:19.46 | Kassah2 | actually yeah |
| 03:19.49 | simonrvn | last time i tried it, which was like 2 years ago... |
| 03:19.50 | bws42 | I'd bet $100 it was the cacti/mysql issues |
| 03:19.56 | Kassah2 | sounds like it |
| 03:20.18 | Kassah2 | so I guess it was good that I put in a current version without MySQL 5 issues |
| 03:21.08 | bws42 | well when I was having problems the package was actually completely up to date with the source |
| 03:21.24 | bws42 | the patches had already been applied, and weren't helping |
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| 03:21.43 | PumpkinPie | wheres the debian 64 channel? |
| 03:21.46 | Kassah2 | ahh |
| 03:21.50 | zephyrus\ | anyone have a nice ipfw they wanna share? =p |
| 03:21.53 | Kassah2 | right now I'm just trying to get cron going |
| 03:22.08 | bws42 | cactid or poller.php? |
| 03:22.10 | Nexus | I'm so close! But I can't get ia32-libs to install on the new etch amd64 install... |
| 03:22.27 | Kassah2 | poller.php |
| 03:22.39 | Kassah2 | it worked on the apt-get'd copy... now trying to get it to run on the from source version |
| 03:22.42 | bws42 | I can give you the line the package installs |
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| 03:22.48 | bws42 | it should be the same |
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| 03:23.00 | Kassah2 | well... it's in a different directory... but yeah... I have it |
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| 03:23.14 | bws42 | ahh, k |
| 03:24.25 | Kassah2 | how do I get cron to re-pick up the crontab/ |
| 03:24.26 | Kassah2 | ? |
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| 03:24.56 | Linux-Mania | hi all |
| 03:25.02 | bws42 | heh, no idea sorry |
| 03:25.36 | Maquiavelo | hey guys, I'm trying to install eterm on Debian Etch but it get a package eterm has no installation candidate. Was eterm removed from the repository? |
| 03:25.42 | Maquiavelo | I get* |
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| 03:25.48 | zephyrus\ | hrm.. |
| 03:25.53 | zephyrus\ | i think my openssl is broke |
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| 03:31.34 | Maquiavelo | Why is the eterm package in unstable and stable, but not in testing? |
| 03:32.13 | Nexus | Is there an AMD64 SMP kernel available for use with the EM64T? |
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| 03:34.16 | Maquiavelo | Anyone? |
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| 03:35.33 | Linux-Mania | My problem I have gnoppix 1.0 debian based - I can't install to HDD no installer package I am new for linux |
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| 03:35.59 | Maquiavelo | gnoppix or knoppix? |
| 03:36.17 | Linux-Mania | gnoppix |
| 03:36.43 | yahn | when I installed debian from knoppix it didn't install mysql correctly. when I try mysql -u root -p and set the password it tells me that mysqld.sock is missing. does anyone know how to fix this? sorry to bother you guys. |
| 03:36.57 | Maquiavelo | You guys should ask in #gnoppix or #knoppix |
| 03:37.14 | _xabo | xabo@christie:~$ su |
| 03:37.15 | _xabo | Password: |
| 03:37.15 | _xabo | Mangler skall |
| 03:37.15 | _xabo | xabo@christie:~$ |
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| 03:37.30 | _xabo | uhm.. i done a command who maked so i cant login as root more.. |
| 03:37.38 | _xabo | and .. i cant also not done a "su" |
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| 03:38.40 | ic56 | _xabo: boot from your install CD or a rescue disk. |
| 03:41.33 | xerophyte | in screen how can deatach a screen session with key stocks |
| 03:41.58 | jetscreamer | stocks? |
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| 03:44.41 | CompWizrd | keystrokes |
| 03:44.46 | CompWizrd | ctrl-a, d |
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| 03:46.17 | Nexus | What would the syntax be if I only wanted to install one package from unstable, nothing else? |
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| 03:49.20 | acad | i need to install a slim version of sarge debian for a server- 80mb or so. any suggestions? |
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| 03:53.02 | linux2 | how can i resize a partition |
| 03:53.08 | Nexus | What would the syntax be if I only wanted to install one package from unstable, nothing else? |
| 03:53.31 | unix_infidel | Nexus: that package would usually have some deps associated with it. |
| 03:54.08 | acad | linux2 qtparted or gparted |
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| 03:54.26 | Nexus | unix_infidel, I'm trying to resolve a problem with ia32-libs. The needed version is only in unstable. what's the best way to install that? |
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| 03:54.50 | DaveLib | Nexus: i am a debian newbie but i have done single unstable installs into my sarge with help from this channel |
| 03:55.10 | Nexus | DaveLib, How did you do it? |
| 03:55.31 | DaveLib | Nexus: what i did saw backports you can msg dpkg here for "backports" and "simple sid backports" |
| 03:56.15 | DaveLib | Nexus: there is a web site www.backports.org these are debian people |
| 03:56.45 | Nexus | DaveLib, Doesn't look like they have the package I need.. Thank you though. |
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| 03:57.11 | DaveLib | what they do is take packages for etch or sid and reconfigure those to make them depend on the base packages from sarge or include the etch or sid parts in the new package |
| 03:57.46 | DaveLib | it becomes a package which contains the top level files from etch or sid but has the proper lower level connections into sarge |
| 03:58.10 | DaveLib | Nexus: ah ok |
| 03:59.14 | DaveLib | how often is it recommended to apt-get upgrade ? i am running sarge for personal use surfing email i am behind a hardware router |
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| 04:01.29 | floundering | Hi :) |
| 04:01.40 | DaveLib | hi |
| 04:02.12 | Nexus | Is there a list of the files you install using apt? |
| 04:02.38 | epsilon | you mean content of a package? |
| 04:02.51 | Nexus | I mean, a history of all the packages you've installed using apt. |
| 04:03.06 | epsilon | yes, man dpkg |
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| 04:03.24 | epsilon | IIRC dpkg --get-selections '*' |
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| 04:03.53 | Nexus | Well, I need a historical list of what order I installed packages. |
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| 04:44.28 | floundering | hi again, did any of my questions get through? |
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| 04:49.51 | floundering | is the channel text transcribed anywhere? |
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| 04:55.52 | k-google | floundering: We're having some net outage here, expect to see a wallop from lilo soon. |
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| 04:58.05 | k-google | floundering: Not reliably. AFAIK. |
| 04:58.08 | k-google | floundering: Re-ask. |
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| 04:58.57 | floundering | k-google: thanks, |
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| 04:59.41 | floundering | I have a an x86/matrox g200 and I am trying to get video and graphics etc on the console. I have failed to compile mga-vid and matroxfb's consoles are corrupted by X |
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| 04:59.58 | floundering | How do i either created another fb device so the x and console use different ones and also kill x temporarilly to see if matroxfb corruption goes away? |
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| 05:02.00 | floundering | apologies for caps/spelling/grammar/typos :) I have a stock 2.6.8 kernel |
| 05:03.14 | k-google | What's the GNU SWF player and is it packaged for Debian yet? |
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| 05:07.15 | acad | are there any live-cds with sarge? particulerly ones with a newer kernel |
| 05:07.25 | acad | 2.6.12+ |
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| 05:09.33 | neuro_damage | what packages do I install to write gtk code? |
| 05:09.35 | k-google | gnash, and apparently not. Hitting gnu mirrors... |
| 05:09.47 | neuro_damage | what are the package names because apparently libgtk2.0-dev isn't it |
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| 05:09.54 | peterS | neuro_damage: start with libgtk2.0-dev |
| 05:10.00 | k-google | neuro_damage: Well, the Gtk dev libs. You can sometimes sort this out using auto-apt. |
| 05:10.03 | peterS | neuro_damage: why do you think that's not it? |
| 05:10.06 | stoned | about goddamn time |
| 05:10.23 | neuro_damage | peterS, because I installed it and automake couldn't find the libraries |
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| 05:11.16 | neuro_damage | stoned, what's up man, you're always helpful, just wanted to say thank you |
| 05:11.17 | peterS | neuro_damage: I thought you said you wanted to _write_ code. try just compiling your C file, never mind automake for the present |
| 05:11.48 | stoned | neuro_damage, you're most welcome |
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| 05:12.10 | neuro_damage | peterS, compiling gaim actually which has automake that tries to find the GTK headers |
| 05:12.12 | peterS | neuro_damage: anyway, automake doesn't really enter into it, for this sort of purpose what you'll want to use is autoconf |
| 05:12.22 | linux2 | how can i extract a file that showing a "unexpected end of file" error? |
| 05:12.35 | stoned | neuro_damage, not much, just rented some movies, about to eat, wait for my roommate to get off work and then its movie night |
| 05:12.40 | stoned | got 4 dvds to watch |
| 05:13.11 | peterS | neuro_damage: dude, gaim is a fairly complex piece of software - if you're good enough to hack on gaim you can probably figure this out on your own, whether it's an autoconf problem or what. libgtk2.0-dev is the right package. you can verify this with 'dpkg -L libgtk2.0-dev'. |
| 05:13.13 | floundering | k-google: I had a bit of trouble with flash, nothing I have found cna do flash 8. libflash-swfplayer has a standalone player incorporated |
| 05:13.34 | stoned | floundering, I got around it |
| 05:13.42 | stoned | floundering, if you can't beat the system, get around it |
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| 05:14.02 | neuro_damage | peterS, ok thank you |
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| 05:14.20 | stoned | floundering, apt-get install wine. Then download the flash insaller.exe and firefox installer.exe and run them both with wine. Then after they are installed, run wine firefox.exe and it will p lay flash 8 perfectly with sound |
| 05:14.25 | neuro_damage | peterS, yeah i'm trying to port gaim to an enlightenment program using evas/ecore/ewl software, and I was going to use their oscar files to understand how everything works |
| 05:14.54 | stoned | floundering, there is no flash8 player for linux, which is flash's fault |
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| 05:15.09 | peterS | neuro_damage: the dpkg -L command will tell you where the files are that a package installs, you should be able to use that information to figure out what is going wrong with the library detection |
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| 05:15.34 | neuro_damage | peterS, yeah i'm new to debian mainly |
| 05:15.42 | neuro_damage | peterS, and i haven't really had time to just sit down and read shit |
| 05:15.45 | stoned | floundering, also make sure to intsall alsa-oss as there will be no sound without it |
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| 05:15.56 | floundering | stoned: thanks |
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| 05:16.07 | PepperBob | hi everyone! |
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| 05:16.18 | stoned | floundering, sure |
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| 05:16.27 | PepperBob | i am running a sarge with a 2.4 kernel and i need to mount a windows 2003 share |
| 05:16.37 | stoned | PepperBob, samba/smbfs |
| 05:16.38 | PepperBob | thing is the kernel is missing cifs support |
| 05:17.00 | PepperBob | smbfs wont help due to digital signing from the windows server |
| 05:17.00 | peterS | PepperBob: it should have smbfs support even if not cifs. both work. |
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| 05:17.17 | floundering | stoned:I got around it the other way, got the school to save all their stuff as flash 7 :) |
| 05:17.17 | peterS | PepperBob: also, sarge ships a 2.6 kernel if you want to try the cifs filesystem |
| 05:17.26 | k-google | floundering: SWF is sufficiently fscking annoying I *don't* want it in my browser. |
| 05:17.26 | stoned | floundering, that is entirely too much work |
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| 05:17.40 | PepperBob | peterS: so when installing the 2.6 kernel the cifs support is included? |
| 05:18.03 | neuro_damage | cifs? |
| 05:18.05 | peterS | PepperBob: pretty sure it is. I don't have a sarge kernel handy to check |
| 05:18.09 | racarter | how do I change the default desktop background in gnome for all users? |
| 05:18.13 | peterS | neuro_damage: 'common internet filesystem' |
| 05:18.21 | neuro_damage | oh ok |
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| 05:18.27 | stoned | !nbt |
| 05:18.28 | dpkg | from memory, nbt is an implementation of the NetBIOS API on top of TCP/IP |
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| 05:18.29 | stoned | !cifs |
| 05:18.30 | dpkg | i guess cifs is Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
| 05:18.30 | PepperBob | peterS: because smbfs definitely wont work with this setup |
| 05:18.32 | stoned | there ya go |
| 05:18.40 | stoned | neuro_damage, may I suggest /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 05:18.49 | Meaw | how to run this file in bootup ? /usr/share/freeradius-dialupadmin/bin/truncate_radacct |
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| 05:19.00 | stew | PepperBob: the 2.6.8 kernel in sarge definately has CIFS support |
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| 05:19.06 | PepperBob | stew: thank you! |
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| 05:19.14 | stew | http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/config-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 05:19.22 | PepperBob | stew: i'll set up the 2.6 kernel.. :) |
| 05:19.27 | k-google | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 05:19.29 | stew | PepperBob: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 05:19.35 | k-google | ... trying to build gnash. Suggestions? |
| 05:19.44 | stoned | k-google, c'mon man you should know this |
| 05:19.47 | stoned | :) |
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| 05:20.28 | Meaw | how to run this file in bootup ? /usr/share/freeradius-dialupadmin/bin/truncate_radacct |
| 05:20.53 | tuv | i'm trying to print a file off openoffice.org writer. the first page (text) prints perfectly. the second page (graphics) doesn't and the printer shows undocumented strange pattern of LED blinking. error_log has the line: Unable to write print data: No such device |
| 05:21.03 | tuv | it's a remote printer connected via usb to a remote host. i defined the remote printer using http://host:631/printers/printername |
| 05:21.07 | k-google | Meaw: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 05:21.17 | Meaw | k thanks |
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| 05:21.46 | k-google | stoned: I know how to find out, just wondering if anyone's got the answer for what GNU's configure is actually looking for. |
| 05:21.54 | tuv | how can i print openoffice.org graphics? |
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| 05:22.34 | k-google | tuv: With a printer. |
| 05:22.41 | stoned | lol |
| 05:22.55 | k-google | tuv: What are you trying that isn't working? |
| 05:22.58 | tuv | k-google, any other creative ideas? |
| 05:23.02 | dondelelcaro | k-google: look at config.log |
| 05:23.10 | peterS | k-google: X includes? should be looking for /usr/include/X11/ or /usr/X11R6/include/X11/. both are provided by libx11-dev |
| 05:23.17 | tuv | k-google, did you read my two lines before the last question? |
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| 05:23.23 | stoned | tuv, you've got cupsys/cups? |
| 05:23.26 | peterS | well, I guess the latter isn't provided anymore |
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| 05:23.53 | predder | I asked about half an hour ago if I could specify the block size when setting up a raid5 software raid using the debian installer then was booted off the net :( Was there any response? |
| 05:23.57 | tuv | stoned, yes. i can print text pages perfectly. a page with graphics wouldn't print though |
| 05:24.26 | neuro_damage | what is the package that contains gmake? |
| 05:24.36 | dondelelcaro | neuro_damage: make |
| 05:24.41 | k-google | peterS: Thanks, was installing that. |
| 05:24.44 | k-google | tuv: Probably not ;-) |
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| 05:25.00 | peterS | neuro_damage: more to the point, build-essential |
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| 05:25.13 | neuro_damage | peterS, eh? |
| 05:25.20 | stoned | !b-e |
| 05:25.20 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 05:25.29 | peterS | neuro_damage: install 'build-essential'. then you can stop worrying about the little things about compiling crap |
| 05:25.30 | k-google | tuv: Try printing to a postscript file and view that looking for issues. Not sure what the problem might be. Sorry about the snide bit. |
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| 05:25.39 | peterS | neuro_damage: such as "where is the make command?" |
| 05:25.50 | neuro_damage | /usr/bin/make |
| 05:25.58 | neuro_damage | apt-cache search gmaek didn't show much |
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| 05:26.11 | tuv | k-google, i tried a pdf and it caused the same problem. do you think a ps would be any different? |
| 05:26.14 | dondelelcaro | neuro_damage: gmake is what people without gnu make call gnu make. make is gnu make. |
| 05:26.18 | peterS | neuro_damage: oh, there is no gmake package. in debian there's no need to distinguish GNU make from any other make |
| 05:26.36 | neuro_damage | dondelelcaro, yeah that i know |
| 05:26.43 | neuro_damage | peterS, you hit my point |
| 05:26.43 | neuro_damage | ok |
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| 05:26.53 | neuro_damage | yeah i was wondering if it was *bsd make |
| 05:27.02 | peterS | neuro_damage: if you want a non-gnu make, install 'pmake'. that is BSD. |
| 05:27.04 | neuro_damage | cause it installs dhclient by default and then uses openssh sshd |
| 05:27.11 | neuro_damage | peterS, ok |
| 05:27.17 | stoned | tuv, can you print ANY kind of graphics at all, from anywhere, and not just OOo |
| 05:27.27 | dondelelcaro | neuro_damage: apt-cache show make; will clarify it for you, as will make --version |
| 05:27.40 | tuv | stoned, haven't tried. |
| 05:27.57 | stoned | tuv, try it, it _could_ be a print driver issue |
| 05:28.07 | tuv | stoned, actually the same page converted to pdf wouldn't print too (using evince) |
| 05:28.33 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hmmm, it bears mentioning that in etch you won't install make but make-dfsg. thanks to manoj for confusing the issue with his insistence upon honesty in package naming |
| 05:28.58 | peterS | oh, I guess the binary package is still called make, he only renamed the source package |
| 05:29.13 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, he also builds make-non-dfsg or something |
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| 05:29.28 | dondelelcaro | make-doc-non-dfsg-something-else-just-to-make-it-longer |
| 05:29.50 | simonrvn | one nifty thing for dpkg to do would be to display the "(Reading database ... XXXXXX files and directories currently installed.)" message without having to install/remove something |
| 05:29.54 | stew | that was an ugly discussion in -devel when he was trying to name those pacakges iirc |
| 05:30.11 | dondelelcaro | stew: I don't think that one broke the 100 message mark |
| 05:30.12 | tuv | stoned, also, cups test page is full of graphics and prints fine |
| 05:30.29 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: you can figure that out by wc -l /var//lib/dpkg/info/*.files |
| 05:30.32 | stew | dondelelcaro: i meant on irc |
| 05:30.47 | Lews | If I have package A, which is depended on by B, is there any way to install an older version of A without uninstalling B? |
| 05:30.50 | simonrvn | hmm ok. does that cover *all* the packages? |
| 05:30.54 | dondelelcaro | s/files/list/ |
| 05:31.06 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: all the ones that dpkg knows about |
| 05:31.12 | stew | Lews: "apt-get install pacakge=version" if the older version is still available in the archives |
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| 05:31.18 | simonrvn | oh, ok. cool |
| 05:31.20 | peterS | it might well go over the command line length limit, though. use xargs if in doubt. |
| 05:31.28 | simonrvn | yeh =) |
| 05:31.47 | dondelelcaro | yeah... in fact, xargs with cat is probably better |
| 05:31.56 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise you have to muck with summing wc |
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| 05:32.08 | Lews | Awsome, thanks, that worked |
| 05:32.22 | dondelelcaro | or grep total; and hope that there's no file called total... |
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| 05:32.29 | peterS | (cd /var/lib/dpkg/info; echo *.list | xargs cat | wc -l) |
| 05:33.03 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:33.15 | dondelelcaro | or find /var/lib/dpkg/info -type f -exec cat '{}' \;|wc -l |
| 05:33.24 | dondelelcaro | s/f/f -iname *.list/ |
| 05:33.49 | dondelelcaro | if you wanted to avoid command line length limits... [although maybe the built in echo doesn't have them? dunno.] |
| 05:34.00 | peterS | right, I'm counting on echo being built-in echo |
| 05:34.03 | tuv | what does an IPP printer URI look like? |
| 05:34.08 | peterS | if it's /bin/echo my command won't work |
| 05:34.42 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... I always get confused when dealing with what the builtins can do and what they don't |
| 05:35.19 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it's probably not wise to rely on built-in commands not having length limits. but in bash, at least, it works, as one would expect from gnu utilities (no preset limits on _anything_) |
| 05:36.08 | stew | hmm, /bin/echo even works here |
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| 05:36.27 | peterS | stew: the command line length limit is pretty high, you might not be hitting it |
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| 05:37.33 | tuv | is an ipp uri any different than an http one? i mean could it solve a problem that takes place when using http uri? |
| 05:37.54 | simonrvn | i've seen configure scripts spit out 32000-something |
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| 05:38.16 | stew | peterS: hmm, can you think of an easy way to tell if echo is a builtin? |
| 05:38.22 | stew | peterS: (in a non-bash) |
| 05:38.30 | simonrvn | the find with -exec is taking a while, as expected... the echo + cat + xargs is zippy |
| 05:38.37 | peterS | stew: 'type echo' |
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| 05:38.52 | simonrvn | took 1:45 for the find, and 53s for the former |
| 05:38.58 | stew | peterS: neato |
| 05:39.28 | simonrvn | my shell is zsh, i didn't hit it even with a result of 273484 |
| 05:40.28 | peterS | stew: practically speaking, echo is built in to just about every shell |
| 05:40.55 | stew | peterS: "fish" was the one i was curious about |
| 05:41.04 | stew | peterS: are we playing network ping pong? |
| 05:41.12 | peterS | yes we are |
| 05:41.17 | peterS | I started it, sorry |
| 05:41.26 | stew | :) |
| 05:41.36 | simonrvn | baaad geek, baaad |
| 05:41.38 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 05:42.15 | simonrvn | well, that was fun and practical :) |
| 05:42.15 | peterS | stew: we had like 9 in common, it was funny |
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| 05:43.46 | LinuxNIT | is there a reson that apt-get will install all dependancies for a program but not remove the onse that are nolonger needed if you uninstall a program? |
| 05:44.05 | peterS | LinuxNIT: yes. because apt-get isn't aptitude. |
| 05:44.17 | LinuxNIT | will aptitude do that? |
| 05:44.21 | peterS | LinuxNIT: use 'aptitude install' and 'aptitude remove' every time, and it'll do that |
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| 05:44.30 | peterS | LinuxNIT: it won't do that for things you've installed via apt-get, though |
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| 05:44.32 | LinuxNIT | ok cool |
| 05:44.40 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 05:45.07 | LinuxNIT | but is there a reason they left that feature out of apt-get? |
| 05:45.20 | peterS | yes |
| 05:45.33 | peterS | because apt-get was only ever intended as a proof-of-concept to show what libapt is capable of |
| 05:45.41 | peterS | it wasn't ever intended to be the thing people used in production |
| 05:45.53 | peterS | but since other clients, like aptitude, took awhile to get written, people _did_ use apt-get in production |
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| 05:46.06 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 05:46.09 | LinuxNIT | i see |
| 05:46.13 | JViz | how do i install the base desktop packages? |
| 05:46.23 | peterS | anyway, apt-get doesn't have a lot of fancy features. aptitude does. this qualifies as a fancy feature. |
| 05:46.29 | LinuxNIT | JViz, that depends on what desktop you want |
| 05:46.43 | LinuxNIT | peterS, hehe thanks for the info |
| 05:47.21 | LinuxNIT | JViz, do you know what desktop you want? |
| 05:47.38 | JViz | LinuxNIT: there are 3 major ones, right? Gnome, KDE, and Xfce? |
| 05:47.57 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 05:47.59 | peterS | those are the biggest and most full-featured ones, yes |
| 05:48.07 | stoned | I like kde |
| 05:48.12 | stoned | and I love xfce |
| 05:48.14 | LinuxNIT | i like e17 |
| 05:48.15 | LinuxNIT | :D |
| 05:48.17 | stoned | I hate gnome |
| 05:48.19 | stoned | fuck gnome |
| 05:48.22 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 05:48.26 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 05:48.27 | JViz | what's the major difference between KDE and Gnome? |
| 05:48.35 | simonrvn | @fuck gnome |
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| 05:48.47 | LinuxNIT | :o |
| 05:48.50 | peterS | JViz: development philosophy. KDE is all C++ all the time, and GPL so you can't write proprietary apps with it |
| 05:49.19 | peterS | JViz: GNOME supports a buttload of languages more or less equally and is LGPL so you _can_ write proprietary apps with it |
| 05:49.19 | streuner | JViz: both tends to look like windows-feeling |
| 05:49.28 | simonrvn | kde more than gnome |
| 05:49.34 | stoned | streuner, hmm, true, but can be fully customized |
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| 05:49.46 | peterS | JViz: beyond that, KDE is 'give users all the glitz and customisation anyone wants'. GNOME is 'give users exactly as much glitz and customisation as we think will be useful to them and won't confuse them too badly' |
| 05:49.55 | simonrvn | ...and made not to look like that piece of UI and other garbage |
| 05:50.10 | streuner | !start a wm war |
| 05:50.10 | dpkg | enlightenment bites! |
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| 05:50.17 | simonrvn | which is the very thing that ticks me off about gnome |
| 05:50.28 | stoned | http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kde.jpg |
| 05:50.29 | LinuxNIT | @fuck dpkg |
| 05:50.34 | simonrvn | *I'LL* decide that, thankyouverymuch |
| 05:50.45 | stoned | this is what my kde desktop looks like |
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| 05:51.04 | peterS | another cameo! |
| 05:51.06 | JViz | perterS: so you might say, Gnome has a more commercial philosophy than KDE? |
| 05:51.18 | peterS | JViz: gnome is business-friendly, KDE is all about the hackers |
| 05:51.35 | streuner | JViz: so what do you want? |
| 05:51.37 | stoned | http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/fonts.jpg |
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| 05:51.42 | stoned | http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/fixed.jpg |
| 05:51.59 | streuner | JViz: /msg dpkg wm |
| 05:51.59 | stoned | http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/example.jpg |
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| 05:52.06 | stoned | kde is great :) |
| 05:52.23 | peterS | JViz: the gnome team takes "usability" very seriously, and has taken many user interface ideas from Apple's Mac OS. including the idea that if there exists a sensible default that most people would prefer, there's no point making it customisable, because you increase the complexity of the code and of the config interface for not much gain. |
| 05:52.54 | k-google | ping |
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| 05:52.57 | simonrvn | pong |
| 05:53.00 | PumpkinPie | ping |
| 05:53.06 | peterS | #debian is alive |
| 05:53.13 | LinuxNIT | yay |
| 05:53.25 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 05:53.25 | dpkg | Since Fri Jul 14 03:00:02 2006, there have been 39 modifications, 1216 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 353 commands. I have been awake for 6d 2h 53m 23s this session, and currently reference 36812 factoids. I'm using about 15344 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 630.25/41.46 child 0/0.01 |
| 05:53.34 | k-google | test |
| 05:53.50 | stoned | !debstats |
| 05:53.50 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 05:53.54 | JViz | LinuxNIT: heavy? |
| 05:54.11 | stoned | damn abrotman |
| 05:54.12 | JViz | LinuxNIT: you mean large memory usage? |
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| 05:54.18 | stoned | :/ |
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| 05:54.19 | LinuxNIT | on resources |
| 05:54.43 | stoned | actually, gnome is a lot worse than kde3.5.3 |
| 05:54.51 | LinuxNIT | really? |
| 05:54.51 | JViz | LinuxNIT: you use something light? |
| 05:54.54 | stoned | old myth that kde hogs resources and memory |
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| 05:54.58 | stoned | not true anymore |
| 05:55.03 | stoned | and think about it man |
| 05:55.06 | LinuxNIT | JViz, i use e17 but its in development |
| 05:55.08 | stoned | kde isn NOT a fucking wm, its a DM |
| 05:55.22 | LinuxNIT | if you want lighter id go with xfce since you sound newer to linux |
| 05:55.23 | simonrvn | kwin is =) |
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| 05:55.40 | JViz | LinuxNIT: apparently so is their website |
| 05:55.48 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 05:55.49 | JViz | stoned: DM? |
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| 05:55.57 | LinuxNIT | dm= desktop manager |
| 05:55.58 | stoned | er.. DE |
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| 05:56.03 | stoned | sorry, desktop env. |
| 05:56.07 | stoned | that too |
| 05:56.08 | k-google | stoned: Gezundheit! |
| 05:56.08 | simonrvn | kwin is comparable to fluxbox actually, unless you're running it with a glitzy theme, but that's true for anything |
| 05:56.09 | stoned | so my point is |
| 05:56.21 | k-google | stoned: ... the sharp bit at the end. |
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| 05:56.40 | stoned | kde can't be bloatware, because its NOT just a window manger, its an entire desktop solutoin |
| 05:56.55 | k-google | Q: What's the point of anything. |
| 05:56.56 | simonrvn | oh please don't use that word, 'solution' |
| 05:56.58 | stoned | when fluxbox can do what kde can with its current code size, then talk to me about bloat or resource hogging |
| 05:57.05 | k-google | A: The sharp bit at the end. |
| 05:57.09 | k-google | simonrvn: Precipitate? |
| 05:57.13 | simonrvn | i love that one |
| 05:57.14 | stoned | simonrvn, :/ |
| 05:57.17 | LinuxNIT | JViz, how much free room on youre hard drive? |
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| 05:57.30 | k-google | simonrvn: As do I. |
| 05:57.32 | JViz | LinuxNIT: like 50GB or so |
| 05:57.39 | simonrvn | it's not you, it's the marketroid/business-talk sound of it in the context... |
| 05:57.43 | stoned | simonrvn, you don't like solution? |
| 05:57.45 | stoned | I like solution |
| 05:58.01 | stoned | its a cool word, but if you say it a few times over and over and faster and faster, it stops being a word |
| 05:58.06 | LinuxNIT | JViz, i would reccomend that you install a couple different wm/de and see which one you like the best and use that |
| 05:58.09 | stoned | you're like, wtf is this weird sound fx I'm making |
| 05:58.20 | simonrvn | i have parts of gnome, kde, and most of xfce4 installed on 10 GB ... |
| 05:58.34 | JViz | LinuxNIT: oh yeah! that would be great... how do I do that? :) |
| 05:59.21 | simonrvn | no, i can't make up my mind... :) i even run stuff like fluxbox/openbox3/icewm sometimes :) |
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| 06:00.28 | JViz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.28 | JViz | [02:00] * codergeek42_ (n=peter@gentoo/developer/codergeek42) Quit ("Ex-Chat") |
| 06:00.32 | JViz | whoosp |
| 06:00.52 | simonrvn | i'm sure it's appropiate in certain contexts, but i avoid the big words unless i have to |
| 06:01.17 | LinuxNIT | well JViz ill have to let some one like peterS answer that cause i always used apt-get and apparently i shold be using aptitude to install tings |
| 06:01.30 | LinuxNIT | im not familiar with aptitude yet |
| 06:01.50 | peterS | LinuxNIT: hey there's nothing _wrong_ with apt-get. aptitude just has more features. (And takes more memory and CPU, so on a really slow machine it's kind of painful) |
| 06:02.05 | LinuxNIT | oh ok :D |
| 06:02.17 | JViz | it seems difficult to find anything in aptitude |
| 06:02.27 | JViz | in a console, atleast |
| 06:02.52 | peterS | JViz: for finding packages based on arbitrary strings, 'aptitude search foo bar baz' or simply 'apt-cache search foo bar baz' are simpler than trying to use the full-screen aptitude UI |
| 06:02.53 | simonrvn | appropriate even |
| 06:02.54 | LinuxNIT | peterS, so does synaptic use apt-gets meathods then? |
| 06:03.13 | peterS | LinuxNIT: I have almost no experience with synaptic. to me there always seemed to be little point, when aptitude has the features it has |
| 06:03.21 | LinuxNIT | :D |
| 06:03.22 | LinuxNIT | ok |
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| 06:04.33 | LinuxNIT | well peterS i think ill install programs i know ill keep with apt-get and the ones i play with with aptitude so that i can remove the exess stuff when im done lol |
| 06:04.34 | tuv | ok.. latest development. it's only a particular drawing that won't print!! |
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| 06:04.58 | Vasistha | tuv: it may be a printer memory issue |
| 06:05.02 | tuv | the letter-like sheet with curlings at the top and bottom ends |
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| 06:05.16 | LinuxNIT | thanks again peterS |
| 06:05.18 | tuv | Vasistha, shouldn't it say so in the log? |
| 06:05.34 | peterS | LinuxNIT: that works. btw, aptitude also runs as a full-screen app if you don't give it other command-line args. in full-screen mode you can set or clear the 'auto' flag on individual packages. the auto flag means "nobody installed me on purpose, I just came in as a dependency, so if nothing depends on me anymore, feel free to just remove me" |
| 06:05.45 | Vasistha | tuv: I have no idea, I would imagine it depends on what errors the printer reports, and so that also depends on the driver |
| 06:06.17 | peterS | LinuxNIT: the keystrokes 'm' and 'M' set and clear that flag on the package you've got currently selected in the package list |
| 06:06.30 | LinuxNIT | peterS, cool thanks |
| 06:11.42 | tuv | hooo.. this is getting better! a small instance of the drawing prints fine. an enlarged one wouldn't.. |
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| 06:12.45 | Vasistha | tuv: definitely sounding like a memory issue, then |
| 06:13.11 | tuv | Vasistha, any known workarounds? |
| 06:13.35 | Vasistha | tuv: I had a similar problem maybe ten or fifteen years ago ... back in those days, the printer had a nice LCD readout that told me "out of memory" ;-) |
| 06:13.59 | tuv | Vasistha, i guess technology is advancing backwards :( |
| 06:14.20 | k-google | tuv: It frequently does. |
| 06:14.35 | Vasistha | tuv: probably the only thing you can do is buy more memory for the printer :P See, it probably needs to store the entire (color? high-res? large?) image in printer memory before it starts printing. |
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| 06:16.10 | tuv | Vasistha, if this is the case, then a different driver might be able to work around the memory limitation by dividing the image into multiple memory-sized images. is that true? |
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| 06:16.31 | Vasistha | tuv: I'm not at all sure. Does it need to all go on one page? |
| 06:16.34 | digit | hi everyone |
| 06:17.27 | digit | any one know what's up with yahoo.com |
| 06:17.34 | Vasistha | tuv: if it does need to go on one page, then that means the printer needs to be printing continuously ... it probably can't take a "break" to load the second half of the page, midway through printing -- and that's pretty lame, but it's also probably a firmware limitation -- although who knows? Maybe a better driver might solve the problem. |
| 06:18.27 | Vasistha | tuv: if the firmware does support that, it's altogether possible that the driver might not, and that the driver might be your kink. |
| 06:18.56 | Vasistha | I've got to go, though, good luck. |
| 06:19.26 | tuv | Vasistha, i'll try to make my drawing smaller for now as i'm time-limited, and will probably investigate better solutions later |
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| 06:20.49 | digit | I was wondering if anyone has noticed that yahoo is down |
| 06:20.56 | digit | lol |
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| 06:22.20 | LinuxNIT | whats yahoo |
| 06:22.38 | digit | yahoo.com |
| 06:23.07 | roxy_ | I want to install a new driver(v4l and pwc). Do I have to unload(and delete?) the old one before to make install ? |
| 06:23.11 | digit | by the way like your nic |
| 06:23.28 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 06:23.29 | digit | i am a google guy too |
| 06:23.41 | roxy_ | i am a msn guy :-) |
| 06:23.43 | LinuxNIT | btw the nit = nerd in training |
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| 06:24.06 | peterS | I guess by "guy" you mean "fanboy" as opposed to "employee"? |
| 06:24.13 | digit | i only noticed it because i use it to chat to another linux friend |
| 06:24.14 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 06:24.33 | digit | lol like tyhat nerd in traing |
| 06:24.44 | LinuxNIT | :D |
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| 06:24.50 | LinuxNIT | i still have a lot to learn |
| 06:24.52 | JViz | which x server driver do i want for just a plain console? fbdev? |
| 06:24.54 | tuv | Vasistha, thanks for the info. |
| 06:24.56 | LinuxNIT | :D |
| 06:25.03 | digit | im digit digit=im all digital |
| 06:25.07 | simonrvn | doesn't work like that anymore |
| 06:25.12 | LinuxNIT | JViz, no xserver for a console only |
| 06:25.12 | simonrvn | JViz: ^^ |
| 06:25.17 | LinuxNIT | xserver is for gui |
| 06:25.21 | simonrvn | and... there is no console x |
| 06:25.23 | digit | i make alot of errors |
| 06:25.24 | PastorEd | Hello, everyone. Can someone help me figure out my iwconfig wlan0? |
| 06:25.31 | DocOC | JViz: for console only, you don't need an xserver at all. |
| 06:26.06 | JViz | well, right now i'm running my install in colinux, so most of the time, the xserver should be disabled |
| 06:26.10 | simonrvn | no there is, it's called oh, crap, can't remember now |
| 06:26.15 | DocOC | PastorEd: I can help probably, but you should in the future simply ask your question, and not ask if you can ask. |
| 06:26.27 | JViz | i guess i'll just install the right one for my vidcard then disable it after it's installed |
| 06:26.30 | digit | linuxnit how long you been using debian |
| 06:26.38 | PastorEd | I can't seem to get my ESSID to be seen. I type in: iwconfig wlan0 essid _myname_, but I still end up with ESSID:off/any |
| 06:26.43 | LinuxNIT | not quite 2 years |
| 06:26.48 | PastorEd | Thanks DocOC. |
| 06:27.23 | DocOC | PastorEd: to begin with, which wifi driver are you using? |
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| 06:27.58 | PastorEd | DocOC: ndiswrapper for the WG111U (a netgear usb adapter) |
| 06:28.02 | digit | me about 7-8 mos the first time then took a break from linux bad mistake then this time 7 mos |
| 06:28.03 | LinuxNIT | digit, which is also how long ive been on linux :D |
| 06:28.26 | DocOC | PastorEd: are you getting any kind of connection at all? |
| 06:28.59 | PastorEd | DocOC: I'm somewhat familar with ndiswrapper. I've already installed the "correct" driver from my disc (ndiswrapper -i mydriver.inf), and I've modprobe ndiswrapper. |
| 06:29.03 | DocOC | I feel like such an old man in here. I've probably been using linux longer than most of you have been alive. |
| 06:29.07 | digit | I love debian it works well afor me |
| 06:29.13 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 06:29.27 | PastorEd | DocOC: Nope. I think it has to do with the WEP key, perhaps? |
| 06:29.30 | simonrvn | DocOC: eh? |
| 06:29.48 | simonrvn | i'm not 10 years old ... |
| 06:29.53 | LinuxNIT | PastorEd, i used to use ndiswrapper and i would set the essid and it would say "none" ifi checked it but it would still connect... have you tried connecting anyway? |
| 06:29.54 | PastorEd | (And DocOC... correct me if I'm wrong, but Linux is only about 12 or 13 years old, right?) |
| 06:29.58 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:30.03 | simonrvn | about that |
| 06:30.05 | DocOC | simonrvn: I've been using linux longer than 10 years. |
| 06:30.07 | streuner | 92/93 |
| 06:30.33 | simonrvn | i've been alive for more than 10 years ;) |
| 06:30.49 | PastorEd | LinuxNIT: hmm... I have tried pinging the router, and I'm told "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 06:30.57 | simonrvn | i've been married for longer ;) |
| 06:31.06 | LinuxNIT | PastorEd, did you tell it to get an ip address |
| 06:31.08 | LinuxNIT | like |
| 06:31.12 | LinuxNIT | dhclient wlan0 |
| 06:31.16 | digit | I want to contribute so I decided I needed to learn how to program first |
| 06:31.23 | PastorEd | LinuxNIT yes... dhclient wlan0 times out. |
| 06:31.31 | DocOC | ok, correction, I've beev using *nix longer than most of you have been alive. (1969 anyone?) |
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| 06:31.45 | simonrvn | ok, that i will not contest :) |
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| 06:31.51 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 06:32.01 | digit | me i was hatched 1960 |
| 06:32.02 | Cooner750 | So much for trying to get Apache, PHP, and MySQL installed |
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| 06:32.17 | waiting | attack of the clones? |
| 06:32.20 | PastorEd | LinuxNIT: I found out what IP was being assigned in XP (192.168.0.4), and typed this: ifconfiw wlan0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.4 |
| 06:32.20 | waiting | :) |
| 06:32.33 | PastorEd | DocOC: I'm older than that. :D |
| 06:32.37 | Cooner750 | My server's PSU is probably shot, I know the one in my Smoothwall server is. Lightning struck a line close to my aunt's house today and it was enough to blow out the bulb in my lamp |
| 06:32.44 | simonrvn | 1972.. |
| 06:33.00 | waiting | simonrvn: your execl chart says that you are too old |
| 06:33.14 | LinuxNIT | PastorEd, is this a different pc than the one you are on? |
| 06:33.15 | simonrvn | my what? |
| 06:33.25 | DocOC | PastorEd: ok well I'm beginning to think ndiswrapper might not be your best bet. What does lspci tell you about your wifi card? |
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| 06:33.34 | PastorEd | LinuxNIT: nope. I had to log out of Linux and back into XP to get here to ask for help. |
| 06:33.37 | waiting | simonrvn: sorry, I'm in a mood ,) |
| 06:33.47 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 06:33.56 | stoned | moods must be controlled |
| 06:34.01 | PastorEd | DocOC: dang it! I didn't do lspci... it's a USB card... |
| 06:34.02 | simonrvn | seriously, i don't know what an execl chart is.. |
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| 06:34.22 | LinuxNIT | PastorEd, lspci will still show it |
| 06:34.28 | digit | you ever do any python programming linuxnit |
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| 06:34.32 | waiting | simonrvn: I cant come up witha cool enough reply to that |
| 06:34.34 | liable | PastorEd: lsusb |
| 06:34.40 | LinuxNIT | digit, yes i have a python gui for wifi |
| 06:34.42 | LinuxNIT | :D |
| 06:34.51 | DocOC | PastorEd: your usb bus should be connected to your pci bus, so lspci should still give you useful info. |
| 06:34.55 | PastorEd | LinuxNIT: sigh... that means I'm going to have to log off, boot into linux, grab that information, and come back here, doesn't it? :| |
| 06:34.59 | stoned | Pastor huh |
| 06:35.06 | PastorEd | stoned: yep. |
| 06:35.10 | stoned | I got some shit to say to a pastor, but I'll keep it off debian |
| 06:35.10 | JViz | simonrvn: it's an off-brand spreadsheet software made by mcirosfot |
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| 06:35.16 | LinuxNIT | PastorEd, cant you connect with a cable? |
| 06:35.22 | LinuxNIT | ethernet cable |
| 06:35.26 | sybec | so .. in order to get debian unstable on my box, do I fetch the "stable" iso, create the cd, install it and then modify sources.list followed by an update ? |
| 06:35.39 | PastorEd | stoned: you can email me if you need to talk/vent/scream/whatever. |
| 06:35.39 | digit | let me ask you somthing is there a book or maual you can download from the net thats printable |
| 06:35.49 | simonrvn | oh, excel |
| 06:35.51 | stoned | a lifetime of servitude, shame, guilt |
| 06:35.54 | stoned | fuck religion man |
| 06:35.54 | PastorEd | LinuxNIT: Nope. router is too far away. |
| 06:35.58 | LinuxNIT | i dunno i just googled for information |
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| 06:36.13 | stoned | your idea of heaven is hell on earth |
| 06:36.16 | DocOC | sybec: I suggest using the netinst, doing a minimum install, changing your sources.list, then doing an apt-get upgrade&&apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 06:36.19 | waiting | simonrvn: yeah ok, the "joke" was, there are companies that take generic parameters of people(such as their age), put them into automated calculations (often given by "excel charts") and calculate their "net worth" |
| 06:36.23 | simonrvn | hadn't occured to me that was a typo |
| 06:36.32 | simonrvn | ocurred* |
| 06:36.36 | LinuxNIT | PastorEd, try turning of wep on the router for testing and see if you can connect then |
| 06:36.36 | digit | cool thanks |
| 06:36.38 | PastorEd | stoned: I understand. I think I'm a minister because God has a way weird sense of humor. I wasn't raised religous AT ALL - 24 years in recovery so far. |
| 06:36.39 | sybec | DocOC: Ok, thanks. |
| 06:36.39 | stoned | no wonder, God is the leading cause of death.. has been since the birth of man |
| 06:36.50 | digit | is it difficult to learn |
| 06:37.09 | stoned | hell more than half the shit going on in this world is because my god has a bigger dick than your god |
| 06:37.14 | PastorEd | LinuxNIT! Hey... good idea! I can do that from here, and then see if I've got any connection. |
| 06:37.14 | simonrvn | life is the leading cause of death |
| 06:37.46 | cydork | simonrvn: :) |
| 06:38.05 | stoned | simonrvn, war in the name of god is by no means natural cause of death |
| 06:38.22 | PastorEd | stoned: well, if you seriously just need someone to talk to about God stuff, let me know. If you just want to generically rant... I'm kind of focused on getting out of XP as quick as I can here at work. |
| 06:38.22 | DocOC | there is only one cause of death: apoxia of the brain. |
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| 06:38.36 | stoned | PastorEd, I don't know the meaning of rant |
| 06:38.42 | PastorEd | DocOC: smiling big here... I was just about to type that. :D |
| 06:39.01 | k-google | simonrvn: Outlaw life! |
| 06:39.02 | LinuxNIT | hehe nice |
| 06:39.09 | simonrvn | war in the name of god is war caused by men's egos. "your god i'm 100% sure didn't tell you to do war, your petty little ego did" |
| 06:39.11 | PastorEd | stoned: rant - to vent, to talk for a while with emotional undertones. |
| 06:39.14 | k-google | simonrvn: ... but remember, if you outlaw life ... |
| 06:39.23 | stoned | PastorEd, </sarcasm> |
| 06:39.27 | k-google | simonrvn: How about war in the name of ogg? |
| 06:39.47 | digit | hi k-google |
| 06:39.59 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 06:40.07 | stoned | a priest molesting a child... child can get over that with a few years of therapy, that jesus shit will torture you for a lifetime |
| 06:40.17 | stoned | I'm done, fuck it, its useless |
| 06:40.18 | PastorEd | Okay - I'll turn off the WEP, and then log into Linux and get the lspci and lsusb... |
| 06:40.20 | stoned | get back on debian support |
| 06:40.22 | stoned | :) |
| 06:40.46 | PastorEd | ...and then hopefully be able to connect. Thanks for the heads up, everyone. Here goes... |
| 06:40.48 | stoned | btw, I will be sure to keep my kids away from this nonsensical bullshit |
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| 06:41.02 | k-google | digit: Greets. |
| 06:42.12 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with having spiritual feelings, it's when your ego gets involved and you start thinking you're some "chosen person" is when it gets dangerous, and turns into religion, inquisitions, jihads, crusades, and such.</rantAndRave> |
| 06:42.19 | JViz | stoned: you and all your kind are doomed to burn in hell for all eternity, so sayeth the Lord |
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| 06:42.29 | JViz | stoned: I should kill you myself for not believing in Him |
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| 06:42.35 | simonrvn | exactly the sort of thing i mean |
| 06:42.42 | stoned | JViz, yeah, an invisible asshole in the sky waiting for me to make a mistake so he can give me a cosmic spanking |
| 06:42.44 | stoned | lol |
| 06:42.46 | JViz | </satire> |
| 06:42.46 | stoned | right... |
| 06:42.53 | predder | JViz, that's a bad joke |
| 06:42.57 | JViz | hahahah |
| 06:43.01 | JViz | sorry |
| 06:43.13 | DocOC | simonrvn: so, if I told you I was the Lion of Jehova, and that you should take up your sword and fight for all that is good and pure, that would probably piss you off? |
| 06:43.22 | predder | you had me on for a moment |
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| 06:44.17 | simonrvn | i'd yawn, and say, whatever. if you actually went and did that, i'd seriously question your motives. if you outright went and starting hurting people, i'd feel compelled to stop you, to prevent others from getting harmed |
| 06:44.42 | stoned | I can't walk a goddamn block in this fucking city, without seeing a church on every street corner, or being approached by someone who uses the word Jesus 900 fucking times in a 2 minute conversation |
| 06:44.58 | stoned | don't get me wrong |
| 06:45.00 | JViz | stoned: you live in Virginia? |
| 06:45.03 | stoned | I respect WHAT you believe |
| 06:45.06 | stoned | but my point is this |
| 06:45.13 | stoned | if jesus gets you through your day, fine, im happy for you |
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| 06:45.22 | stoned | but maybe a joint and a hooker get me through MY day |
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| 06:45.28 | DocOC | stoned: what city is that? In my city they talk about krsna and the 10,000 planets of Dharma. |
| 06:45.40 | stoned | the only difference between me and you is that I don't show up on yoru fucking doorstep on suday afternoon trying to sell you a blowjob from my hooker |
| 06:45.50 | JViz | stoned: I live in NC, they only have one on every other block |
| 06:45.51 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 06:45.55 | stoned | do what you want, but keep that retarded jessu shit out of my face and my life |
| 06:45.57 | cydork | hehehheheheh |
| 06:46.01 | roxy_ | stoned: is she any good ? |
| 06:46.14 | DocOC | stoned: I woludn't mind. |
| 06:47.00 | stoned | the people who are laughing GOT my p oint |
| 06:47.08 | stoned | :) |
| 06:47.12 | stoned | not too sure about the others |
| 06:47.33 | simonrvn | i don't know if you got my point, but my point is that i make a distinction between speech and action. most people just talk and do nothing. |
| 06:47.43 | stoned | simonrvn, I take action |
| 06:47.45 | JViz | stoned: I don't think I could own a hooker, I'd be like those drug dealers who die from using their own stuff too much... |
| 06:47.46 | stoned | for example |
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| 06:48.11 | simonrvn | this is why i don't talk much IRL, when i say something, i mean it, and i walk it |
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| 06:49.01 | DocOC | simonrvn: I'm the same. I keep my mouth shut until I see an opportunity to REALLY piss someone off. |
| 06:49.07 | stoned | simonrvn, I am indian, look arabic/pakistani, and they search me at the airport every fucking time. You know what I do? I pack my suitcases with the most objectionable, obscene and vulgure adult toys EVER MADE, including shit stained underwear. Really, its not funny until you actually do it. If they want to search me for no fucking reason at all, i'll give them a show. Let them pull out all that shit in front of a grandmas and children |
| 06:49.07 | stoned | , see if I give a fuck |
| 06:49.08 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 06:49.28 | simonrvn | oh nice, man |
| 06:49.42 | stoned | someone has to take action man |
| 06:49.45 | stoned | why not me |
| 06:50.20 | JViz | stoned: get something that stinks really really bad, and stays on you, like skunk odor or something |
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| 06:50.52 | simonrvn | they censor speech, when they say they're in favor of free speech... oh yeh they are, but for the rich - look at that fucked up internet bill for instance in the u.s. |
| 06:51.10 | DocOC | stoned: I'm a sefardic jew, I look exactly like an arab. I no longer go to airports. |
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| 06:52.06 | stoned | simonrvn, you are born free, a human, with rights and liberties. All ANY gov. ever does is take away from those freedoms and liberties. USA is the only country in the whole fucking world, that takes away your birthrights and then waves a flag in your face to take credit for giving you freedom |
| 06:52.12 | simonrvn | i stay away from airports... if i had certain papers i could walk across (or try to ;) the border (.ca/.us/.mx) with no problem. |
| 06:52.25 | stoned | they will spend 30$million fucking dollars to advertise the new 20$ bill |
| 06:52.29 | simonrvn | stoned: any nation-state does this |
| 06:52.32 | stoned | WHO THE FUCK is the competition? |
| 06:53.04 | stoned | they know they can take our money and piss in our faces, and we don't say shit, we bend over and take it |
| 06:53.08 | stoned | fuck the us gov. man |
| 06:53.15 | stoned | :( |
| 06:53.27 | simonrvn | this is their shit... if it was up to me, i wouldn't need those papers |
| 06:53.31 | JViz | stoned: would you rather have an entirely facist gov't? |
| 06:53.33 | roxy_ | stoned: could you take that to #politics and let this channel to debian |
| 06:53.46 | JViz | lol |
| 06:53.58 | roxy_ | stoned: or actually #USAPolitics :-) |
| 06:53.58 | stoned | mmmhmm |
| 06:54.02 | DocOC | JViz: would he rather have what we already have? What kind of question is that? |
| 06:54.03 | JViz | roxy_: good point, i entirely forgot... |
| 06:54.26 | stoned | I've been here 6 years, and I've always been offtopic, but when someone needs debian support, I give it |
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| 06:54.38 | stoned | don't get that self rightoues debian offtpic shit with me |
| 06:54.39 | JViz | DocOC: we do not have an entirely facist gov't, we have a mostly facist gov't. we still have welfare, don't we? |
| 06:54.52 | stoned | I'll do say what I want, you got a problem, complain to the ops |
| 06:55.16 | DocOC | JViz: do you know anyone on welfare? I do. They no longer get welfare. The conversion to facism is complete. |
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| 06:55.40 | CyberMad | does anyone here ever use kannel in debian, i have problem with this kannel... please see the log: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/07VbZ292.html |
| 06:56.00 | JViz | DocOC: that was one (bad) example. I know people that get social security checks. |
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| 06:56.20 | CyberMad | 1st, it said: 2006-07-20 20:15:18 [0] ERROR: at_open_data_link: error opening the character device </dev/ttyUSB0> and then 2006-07-20 20:15:18 [0] ERROR: System error 13: Permission denied , etc... |
| 06:56.30 | CyberMad | any idea of this problem? |
| 06:56.42 | simonrvn | read the messages. they're very clear |
| 06:56.57 | DocOC | JViz: social security is not welfare. Social security is like an insurance policy that pays out less than you pay in. You are only getting back a fraction of what you already paid. |
| 06:57.01 | CyberMad | how to fix that simonrvn ? |
| 06:57.12 | stoned | permission problems |
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| 06:57.33 | simonrvn | first one says can't open /dev/ttyUSB0, usually means it isn't there, second one says permission denied, impying that the first is there, but you don't have permission to access it |
| 06:57.56 | CyberMad | it's crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 2006-07-20 20:09 ttyUSB0 |
| 06:58.01 | JViz | DocOC: as long as the gov't can (mis)use their coffers fairly freely, we don't yet have a -completely- facist gov't, i.e.: $20 bill ad campaign |
| 06:58.04 | stoned | simonrvn, where are you btw, which country? |
| 06:58.05 | simonrvn | so, you act in consequence... |
| 06:58.12 | simonrvn | "canada" |
| 06:58.15 | stoned | word |
| 06:58.19 | stew | CyberMad: so whatever user is running this program needs to be in the dialout group |
| 06:58.22 | stoned | damn good weed up north |
| 06:58.23 | stoned | :D |
| 06:58.44 | stew | JViz: stoned: DocOC: please keep it on-topic |
| 06:58.48 | DocOC | JViz: that is the definition of facism. Government paying business, business setting policy. Look it up in the dictionary. |
| 06:58.51 | apfel | The videos (.avi) recorded with my digicam play _very_ slowly with mplayer/xine. However, on another PC (windows) everything was fine. Any ideas what could be the problem? |
| 06:58.53 | stoned | word |
| 06:58.57 | predder | This is all quite humerous to me.. keep going :) |
| 06:59.16 | stoned | predder, he said please, how could you deny him |
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| 07:00.00 | apfel | ... yet the sound playback is normal |
| 07:00.01 | stew | apfel: is your cpu load high when playing them? |
| 07:00.05 | predder | fine, we'll keep it tasteful |
| 07:00.06 | PastorEd | DocOC: I'm back, and this time I have the outputs of lspci and lsusb. |
| 07:00.08 | predder | !sex |
| 07:00.08 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 07:00.19 | stoned | stew, when do you plan on the page update? |
| 07:00.28 | stew | stoned: dunno |
| 07:00.32 | stoned | stew, I've just been checking periodically |
| 07:00.37 | PastorEd | (still trying to figure out why I can't connect to a wireless router in Linux. |
| 07:00.49 | apfel | stew: No, not at all |
| 07:00.50 | DocOC | PastorEd: if it's more than one line, paste it in http://channels.debian.org |
| 07:01.00 | simonrvn | .net |
| 07:01.04 | stoned | !paster |
| 07:01.04 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:01.19 | stoned | here is a question |
| 07:01.29 | stew | apfel: run vmstat 1 ; let that keep running, try playing the avi for 30 seconds or so, then paste the output of the vmstst to a pastebin |
| 07:01.31 | PastorEd | Hello again, stoned. Is it a Debian/Kanotix question? |
| 07:01.55 | PastorEd | (because if it's an XP question, I can tell you now that I don't know.) |
| 07:02.06 | stoned | I've not found any support/docs for the FREE nv (nvidia) driver, and I don't really need 3D support, but I do require TwinView, apparantly nv can't handle it, my second monitors just shows squiggly lines |
| 07:02.26 | PastorEd | DocOC: I've never used a pastebin... |
| 07:02.28 | simonrvn | xinerama? |
| 07:02.34 | stoned | I mean I am running the nvidia driver right now, but I'd rather switch to the latter |
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| 07:02.46 | stoned | umm. Xinerama kinda doesn't like to work with kwin very good |
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| 07:02.57 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 07:02.58 | DocOC | PastorEd: ok, well just tell me what chipset lspci or lsusb tells you your wifi card is. |
| 07:03.09 | PastorEd | DocOC: okay... let me see... |
| 07:03.25 | stoned | especially app spanning and maximize and fullscreen |
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| 07:03.32 | stoned | thats why I use TwinView |
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| 07:03.56 | PastorEd | DocOC: lsusb reports: Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0846:6a00 NetGear, Inc. WG111 WiFi (v2) |
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| 07:04.41 | DocOC | PastorEd: really? I'm suspicious of that, I really don't think netgear makes their own wifi chips. |
| 07:04.54 | DocOC | PastorEd: does lspci tell you anything different? |
| 07:05.16 | PastorEd | stoned: I know very little about nvidia. I have an older 5200 GeForce at home, but it just kind of works. And I only use one monitor. :) |
| 07:05.54 | simonrvn | stoned: this is 3 of us in our drum group singing a traditional song, http://simonraven.nuit.ca/tmp/Traditional_5June06.mp3 |
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| 07:06.03 | stoned | hmm |
| 07:06.06 | stoned | a drummer eh |
| 07:06.10 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:06.12 | stoned | nice |
| 07:06.13 | cydork | DocOC: it's a atheros chipset |
| 07:06.25 | DocOC | cydork: I suspected that. |
| 07:06.38 | CyberMad | i already tried run the program (kannel) as a root... |
| 07:06.43 | stoned | simonrvn, getting it now.. btw, have you heard any of my works? |
| 07:06.47 | DocOC | cydork: if that is the case, then PastorEd would be much better off using madwifi than ndiswrapper. |
| 07:06.48 | CyberMad | but why it said permission denied |
| 07:06.50 | PastorEd | DocOC, the lspci doesn't give me any information about the chipset. |
| 07:06.54 | simonrvn | some yes. i liked them |
| 07:06.58 | stoned | thanks |
| 07:07.12 | stoned | simonrvn, which ones btw, do you know of/have |
| 07:07.18 | cydork | DocOC: madwifi doesn't support usb yet. |
| 07:07.32 | DocOC | cydork: that's unfortunate. |
| 07:07.44 | simonrvn | one was a guitar thing, another was i don't remember |
| 07:08.14 | simonrvn | (i'm not good with titles) |
| 07:08.20 | simonrvn | i.e. names |
| 07:08.21 | PastorEd | sigh... DocOC, do you think this means I'm going to have to get a different interface? This is my THIRD one. |
| 07:08.27 | DocOC | PastorEd: ok, so, you have a wifi0 interface, do you have any other interfaces associated with your wifi card? |
| 07:08.28 | stoned | there was sad.mp3, classical piece |
| 07:08.37 | simonrvn | yeh, that's it |
| 07:08.58 | stoned | or I should say neoclassical shred |
| 07:08.59 | stoned | heh |
| 07:09.04 | DocOC | PastorEd: no, you probably can get it to work with ndiswrapper, but it certainly isn't the cleanest solution. |
| 07:09.11 | PastorEd | DocOC: mmm, I don't recognize seeing wifi0 interface... just wlan0. Is that the same thing? (and no other interfaces). |
| 07:09.22 | cydork | DocOC: WG 111 is Prism based, and WG111T is atheros based. |
| 07:09.24 | stoned | simonrvn, your mp3 is a nice change from the usual stuff I hear |
| 07:09.27 | stoned | very nice indeed |
| 07:09.34 | PastorEd | cydork: this is a WG111U |
| 07:09.35 | DocOC | PastorEd: yeah, sorry i got confused. Yes, wlan0. |
| 07:09.44 | simonrvn | that's a sample of pow-wow music |
| 07:10.00 | PastorEd | DocOC: I just thought you were talking about arcane knowledge I had yet to learn! |
| 07:10.07 | nemontemi | why the X server development packages (the *-dev packages) are so conflicting with others? I'm trying to install libxaw-headers and it need to remove a lot of other '*-dev' packages that are also _very_ important, like libqt3-mt-dev. Why's that? |
| 07:10.08 | stoned | simonrvn, I love this kind of stuff actually, another reason why Sepultura is my favorite, lots of tribal rythems and beats and influences |
| 07:10.08 | cydork | PastorEd: atheros Based then. |
| 07:10.14 | simonrvn | we're the other kind of indians ;) |
| 07:11.01 | stoned | simonrvn, harmonic music is great, but sometimes you just need traditional music |
| 07:11.22 | DocOC | PastorEd: were all the other interfaces you tried also usb? |
| 07:11.24 | simonrvn | for sure... |
| 07:11.29 | stoned | break away from the dual key system, and common symmetric and assymetric meter signatures |
| 07:11.36 | PastorEd | cydork, DocOC: for some reason, the ndiswrapper "sees" the .inf file just fine, and modprobes okay (I even get a quick blink of a light on the adapter), but the iwconfig essid is blank, no matter what I try. |
| 07:11.38 | cydork | PastorEd: ndiswraper works with that without any probs. |
| 07:11.55 | simonrvn | our drum is a traditional drum, with the spirituality and everything |
| 07:12.02 | stoned | and lots of Peyote |
| 07:12.03 | stoned | ;) |
| 07:12.12 | simonrvn | nope. straight |
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| 07:12.14 | cydork | PastorEd: which version of ndiswraper are you using? |
| 07:12.16 | PastorEd | DocOC: nope. The first one was PCI, and it just didn't have good drivers (D-Link DWL-520) |
| 07:12.18 | stoned | haha, word man |
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| 07:12.28 | litb | hi! |
| 07:12.30 | simonrvn | no booze, no drugs except tobacco |
| 07:12.33 | enouf | Pastor Ed: Try 'sudo lspci -vv' for complete info (in great detail) |
| 07:12.43 | litb | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 07:12.51 | stoned | !2006 key |
| 07:12.52 | litb | while doing apt-get update |
| 07:12.52 | dpkg | 2006 key is, like, apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 07:12.56 | litb | any ideas? |
| 07:13.00 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 07:13.00 | DocOC | PastorEd: do you still have that or any other card, or did you return them? |
| 07:13.17 | PastorEd | DocOC: I still have the pci card. |
| 07:13.18 | stoned | litb, it would be useful if you actually read the topic of a channel you just joined |
| 07:13.24 | stoned | s/useful/wise |
| 07:13.45 | litb | huh, sorry |
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| 07:13.54 | nemontemi | why the X server development packages (the *-dev packages) are so conflicting with others? I'm trying to install libxaw-headers and it need to remove a lot of other '*-dev' packages that are also _very_ important, like libqt3-mt-dev. Why's that? Does anyone have any ideia to solve this? |
| 07:14.06 | PastorEd | cydork: I don't know for sure which version of ndiswrapper is in my Linux install. I can't check it from here. I got it from SID. |
| 07:14.17 | DocOC | PastorEd: try dropping that in, and see what lspci tells you about that one. The reason I suggest this is because if you can get a card that has a well-tested module associated with it, you will be much better off than with ndiswrapper, which is the definition of a kludge. |
| 07:15.23 | cydork | PastorEd: that card is listed in http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List |
| 07:15.33 | PastorEd | DocOC: ugh... I struggled for a solid day with that card with no success. |
| 07:16.18 | PastorEd | cydork: it was Ndiswrapper 1.19 |
| 07:16.19 | nemontemi | :( |
| 07:16.37 | simonrvn | nemontemi: are you by any chance mixing your sources? |
| 07:16.57 | PastorEd | That's right.. the PCI card has the RTL8180 chipset. |
| 07:17.27 | stew | nemontemi: get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
| 07:18.30 | cydork | PastorEd: try http://pastebin.ca/93170 |
| 07:18.56 | DocOC | PastorEd: D-link DWL-G520? |
| 07:19.07 | PastorEd | cydork: yes, that's the method I have used. |
| 07:19.15 | stoned | simonrvn, http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/hash.black.dawn.mp3 <-- actual studio recording, two guitars, and drums. Drums & guitars done both by me, original compositions, let me know what you think, 6 minute long progressive rock/metal piece |
| 07:19.42 | PastorEd | DocOC: D-Link DWL-520 (with RTL8180 chipset) - pci version |
| 07:19.49 | stoned | simonrvn, fell free to /msg me as this is OT |
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| 07:21.03 | waiting | stoned: I must have this |
| 07:21.21 | stoned | sure |
| 07:21.27 | waiting | thx |
| 07:21.32 | stoned | I am 60kb/s max dialup though |
| 07:21.38 | stoned | I should have jsut msg him that lol |
| 07:21.55 | stoned | ahh |
| 07:22.00 | stoned | s/dialup/cable |
| 07:22.22 | waiting | stoned: OGG renders better filesizes IMHO |
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| 07:22.33 | waiting | stoned: I'm not sure |
| 07:22.35 | DocOC | PastorEd: well, if you can't get your current usb card to work using ndiswrapper, check out this page concerning your dlink card: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtl8180-sa2400 |
| 07:22.41 | g333k | does somebody know where can I download gnome desklets? the site is down |
| 07:23.03 | g333k | does somebody know where can I download gnome desklets from? the site is down * |
| 07:23.18 | PastorEd | DocOC: I tried that page for a solid day. I just wasn't getting any connection (but that was when I had WEP up... now that I've taken it down, it might be better). |
| 07:23.26 | stoned | !repeat |
| 07:23.26 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:24.33 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 07:24.45 | roxy_ | I got pwc module here: /lib/modules/2.6.17-1-486/kernel/drivers/usb/media/pwc.ko but when I do modprobe pwc I get: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-1-486/kernel/drivers/media/video/pwc/pwc.ko': No such file or directory |
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| 07:25.08 | PastorEd | cydork: thanks for that link... downloading it now. |
| 07:25.42 | dimir | mornink SlayerXP |
| 07:25.43 | PastorEd | g333k: hmm... did you try archive.org?> |
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| 07:26.34 | stoned | g333k, gdesklets-data - Applets for gdesklets |
| 07:26.56 | stoned | g333k, gdesklets as well |
| 07:27.01 | stoned | both in debian repositories |
| 07:27.26 | PastorEd | stoned: VERY good music...! |
| 07:27.32 | stoned | PastorEd, thanks |
| 07:28.27 | stoned | been playing/studying music for 21 years |
| 07:28.29 | stoned | :D |
| 07:28.48 | SlayerXP | stoned: you must be quite tired. |
| 07:28.55 | stoned | never |
| 07:29.03 | DocOC | what is a disklet? |
| 07:29.05 | PastorEd | stoned: very clean recording. So... to keep it on topic... did you use any Debian / FOSS software in its creation? |
| 07:30.05 | stoned | no, studio equipment. although now I don't have access. I now use Hydrogen to make tracks, export as .wav and import in Audacity, layer my guitars/bass over and clean it up, and produce a recording |
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| 07:30.18 | PastorEd | Hmph. Well, I think I'm giving up for the night. I've been at this since 8 this morning, and it's now half past midnight. |
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| 07:30.53 | simonrvn | stoned: i'm liking this a lot |
| 07:30.55 | PastorEd | stoned: I've had very good results with audacity as well. (in the middle of a project) |
| 07:30.59 | DocOC | ahh, desklet. getting dyslexic in my old age. |
| 07:31.04 | stoned | http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/metal.mp3 <-- Audacity + Hydrogen, quality is kinda bad |
| 07:31.06 | litage | in testing, the packages php5 and php5-mysql exist, but php5-mysqli doesn't exist. is it possible to compile from source the php5-mysqli extension into a debian package and continue to use debian's php5 package? |
| 07:31.25 | stoned | simonrvn, I knew you would |
| 07:31.26 | stoned | :) |
| 07:31.38 | stoned | There are problems with Hydrogen though |
| 07:31.40 | PastorEd | DocOC: If you really think that I'll have better results, I'll try the D-Link again, and see if having the WEP turned off makes a big difference. |
| 07:31.50 | PastorEd | stoned: I'll say - no 6/8 time! |
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| 07:32.08 | stoned | it doesn't allow multiple tempos within a single track, although you CAN get around it with time signatures |
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| 07:32.13 | stoned | PastorEd, yes it does |
| 07:32.14 | keram | how do i tell what run level i'm in? |
| 07:32.28 | keram | or the default run level rather |
| 07:32.29 | keram | how do i tell? |
| 07:32.31 | stoned | PastorEd, it does any kind of meter signature you want, just not multiple tempos |
| 07:32.37 | simonrvn | /sbin/runlevel |
| 07:32.37 | stoned | !runlevel |
| 07:32.37 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels. note that debian doesn't have separate runlevels for graphical and non-graphical logins by default. |
| 07:32.39 | PastorEd | stoned: hmph... It didn't the last time I tried it. that was a while ago, though. |
| 07:32.53 | stoned | PastorEd, its been in there for a few months now |
| 07:33.00 | stoned | PastorEd, but you are right, didn't used to have it |
| 07:33.06 | roxy_ | is there a command to reread all available module ? |
| 07:33.11 | PastorEd | stoned: very good news! I'm glad I talked to you today... |
| 07:33.15 | stoned | PastorEd, I can't wait for the new version, it is supposed to have multple BPM support |
| 07:33.19 | keram | but what is the default run level? |
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| 07:33.22 | stoned | PastorEd, sure |
| 07:33.22 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 07:33.45 | PastorEd | Okay, I have *got* to go... I've got a long drive to get home before I sleep. |
| 07:33.50 | simonrvn | NICE |
| 07:33.53 | PastorEd | g'night (or morning), everyone. |
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| 07:33.58 | waiting | PastorEd: don't sleep & drive .) |
| 07:33.58 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 07:34.03 | keram | will /sbin/runlevel tell me the default runlevel? |
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| 07:34.07 | keram | or the current runlevel? |
| 07:34.43 | roxy_ | keram: runlevel -- find the current and previous system runlevel. |
| 07:34.54 | keram | it says N 2 |
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| 07:35.23 | roxy_ | keram: If there is no previous system runlevel, the letter N will be printed instead. |
| 07:35.26 | stoned | simonrvn, you leaving? |
| 07:35.27 | DocOC | keram: N represents the last runlevel (N means none) and 2 represents the current runlevel. |
| 07:35.31 | roxy_ | keram: man is a good command |
| 07:35.33 | simonrvn | means not available and 2 |
| 07:35.38 | keram | ic |
| 07:35.44 | stoned | simonrvn, when you get a chance, check out that hydrogen+audacity production I made. |
| 07:35.45 | keram | thx :d |
| 07:35.50 | simonrvn | no, was saying g'night to PastorEd |
| 07:36.07 | stoned | ok cool |
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| 07:37.04 | stoned | simonrvn, the only problem with it, is that I kinda screwed up in the mixing, so drum/guitar are seperated on different channels. Although if not used with a headphone, it sounds ok on speakers, but on headphones it really does a number, its still good though I think |
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| 07:37.17 | diego | what package has the aclocal command? |
| 07:37.17 | stoned | I'm still trying to learn software mixing |
| 07:37.29 | streuner | diego: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:37.31 | stoned | !tell diego -about search |
| 07:37.37 | stoned | I lost! |
| 07:37.37 | diego | thx |
| 07:37.37 | stoned | ;) |
| 07:39.20 | simonrvn | that one's good too |
| 07:39.25 | diego | automake |
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| 07:40.31 | stoned | simonrvn, word.. Anything you don't like in any of my pieces, what could I use more work on? besides sound quality, I mean my theory/technique |
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| 07:42.45 | simonrvn | i like it... that simple. i'm obsessed with pow-wow music, but i think that's understandable ;). i don't se anything wrong with it |
| 07:43.00 | stoned | cool |
| 07:43.03 | stoned | I appreciate it |
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| 07:50.55 | litage | if i'm using dpkg to build from source, how do i ensure that a particular argument is given to the configure script? |
| 07:51.39 | stoned | litage, modify the configure script in the source directory |
| 07:52.08 | stoned | litage, /msg dpkg apt how-to /msg dpkg package basics |
| 07:52.46 | litage | thanks stoned |
| 07:53.04 | stoned | sure |
| 07:53.15 | litage | hrmm dpkg isn't responding to me |
| 07:53.29 | stoned | dpkg, hi |
| 07:53.29 | dpkg | privet, stoned |
| 07:53.35 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 07:53.36 | dpkg | dpkgbot is probably Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 07:53.39 | stoned | litage, ^^ |
| 07:54.15 | stoned | litage, there are backup bots as well as a factoid search website |
| 07:54.16 | litage | stoned: "/msg dpkg apt how-to" and "/msg dpkg package basics" return nothing |
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| 07:54.44 | stoned | !apt howto |
| 07:54.44 | dpkg | [apt-howto] at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
| 07:54.51 | stoned | !package basics |
| 07:54.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
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| 07:55.05 | stoned | man, I dunno, I'm the one who is supposed to be stoned ;) |
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| 07:56.05 | litage | i've already read through that last url, which doesn't mention anything about modifying a source package before building it into a deb |
| 07:56.09 | stoned | hope that helps |
| 07:56.53 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.57 | stoned | doh |
| 07:57.32 | litage | hrm, this configure script has 113,364 lines. that's a bit daunting to figure out where to place a single argument... |
| 07:57.45 | stoned | man |
| 07:57.47 | stoned | its 3 am |
| 07:57.50 | stoned | im pooped out |
| 07:57.55 | stoned | i'll see ya'll later. Good night |
| 07:58.04 | litage | cya stoned |
| 07:58.11 | pixolet | later stoned, good music |
| 07:58.27 | cahoot | litage: as I understand it you want the debian/rules file |
| 07:58.55 | litage | thanks cahoot, i'll look there |
| 07:59.44 | cydork | litage: try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 08:00.05 | litage | debian/rules is only 500 lines long. much more manageable =P |
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| 08:16.58 | nuke | i have a txt file with many lines..im trying to do this...for line in `cat /file` do echo$line done....here line is getting delimited by space character...how do set another delimiter character |
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| 08:18.58 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
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| 08:21.09 | Malagmyr | hi you |
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| 08:26.09 | dondelelcaro | nuke: what are you actually trying to do with these files? |
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| 08:27.10 | blinx | hi @ all! |
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| 08:29.20 | nuke | dondelelcaro trying to list out all login names in /etc/passwd that have uid in a certain range and home folders not in /home1/* |
| 08:30.23 | nuke | doing ..for a in `cat /etc/passwd`...doesnt make a=the whole line, it just makes a=line till it finds a ' ' |
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| 08:33.33 | Maulkin | nuke: firstly, I'd suggest using "getent passwd" and secondly, you should be able to manage that with a grep line |
| 08:34.08 | cydork | nude: or awk :P |
| 08:34.58 | nuke | doing awk -F: '{print $0}' /etc/passwd from command line works but dont seem like it works in a script |
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| 08:36.30 | Maulkin | nuke: What range are you after? |
| 08:36.37 | Maulkin | (for userids) |
| 08:36.39 | dondelelcaro | nuke: you actually probably want read -d; I'd just do it in perl though... perl -ne 'my @line = split /:/; if ($line[2] > 1000 and $line[2] < 5000 and $line[4] =~ /home/) {print $line[0]}' |
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| 08:36.58 | dondelelcaro | /etc/passwd; at the end, of course. |
| 08:37.20 | dondelelcaro | possibly with $line[0],qq(\n) as well. |
| 08:37.23 | cydork | nuke: awk -F: '{if ($3>100&&$3<1000) print $1} ' /etc/passwd |
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| 08:38.42 | Maulkin | nuke: For general tips on thsi sort of thing, see http://www.ruhr.de/home/smallo/award.html :) |
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| 08:40.14 | nuke | thnx..lemme try now |
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| 08:41.08 | blinx | hi |
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| 08:53.02 | id23 | hi - is there a way to write to /proc/uptime ? |
| 08:53.24 | liable | id23: you want to cheat? :P |
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| 08:53.33 | SlayerXP | id23: i'll bite: why in Bob's name would you want to do that> |
| 08:53.35 | SlayerXP | ? |
| 08:53.43 | mahyar | whats the best console based mud/moo/etc client there is? |
| 08:53.57 | id23 | we had a energy problem and the server went out |
| 08:54.02 | id23 | basically yes |
| 08:54.10 | SlayerXP | mahyar: the best one is the ones that suits your needs the closest |
| 08:54.14 | SlayerXP | id23: so? |
| 08:54.24 | nuke | am i using && wrongly here?....if [ "$uid" -gt "500" && "$uid" -lt "65530" ]; |
| 08:54.44 | id23 | cat: write error: Input/output error |
| 08:54.46 | id23 | ;) |
| 08:54.58 | id23 | but this is just cosmetic |
| 08:55.06 | id23 | no big deal if it is not possible |
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| 08:55.20 | SlayerXP | id23: the fact you even ask that question is deeply worrying |
| 08:55.34 | blinx | can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 08:55.38 | SlayerXP | id23: does your sysadmin know that you've insufficient work to do? |
| 08:55.56 | id23 | lol |
| 08:56.10 | id23 | what kind of drugs do you use ? |
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| 08:56.52 | infernix | nuke: if [ "$uid" -gt "500" ] && [ "$uid" -lt "65530" ]; |
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| 08:57.34 | infernix | nuke: '[' is actually a command. man [ |
| 08:57.54 | Malagmyr | what if you just set the clock backwards, rebooted and set it correctly again? |
| 08:57.59 | Malagmyr | just a thought... |
| 08:58.33 | Malagmyr | if writing to /proc/uptime is that important, it's not a corporate 24/7 machine, is it? |
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| 08:59.35 | id23 | it is no big deal - as i said - both servers use a USV - but one USV was broken (never saw this before) - both run in a drbd cluster - and the uptime looks odd if one box says uptime 1xx days and the ther one 1hour |
| 08:59.38 | nuke | ooo.thnx |
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| 09:00.41 | Malagmyr | not really... it would look as if one box was booted after the other... which, to me, doesn't look strange at all. |
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| 09:05.26 | id23 | other question - i hava a 2 smp dual core opteron box here - does anyone know if a java (i dislike java - but a customer does use it) properly distribute the threads among the 4 available CPUs ? |
| 09:05.56 | id23 | in my tests it look strange to me - 1 CPU is 100% the other ones about 5-10% |
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| 09:07.13 | id23 | sun java 1.5 runtime |
| 09:07.32 | id23 | for amd64 |
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| 09:10.02 | id23 | ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel - what is that - why is that channel not public ? |
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| 09:10.48 | stew | id23: you need to register with nickserv, /msg nickserv help |
| 09:11.04 | id23 | thanx |
| 09:11.31 | scandrou | hi, I just bought a pcmcia card that should work with wlan. I installed linux-wlan-ng linux-wlan-ng-source linux-wlan-ng-firmware kismet. What is the next step? |
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| 09:18.20 | liable | scandrou: reading the readme in /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng-source?? (i would say module assistant for a start to build it) |
| 09:18.57 | scandrou | liable: thanks |
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| 09:21.59 | FlopsyPete | how do I clear out Synaptic's list of 'New in repository'? I'm using Testing, this used to happen automatically but now it doesn't |
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| 09:29.05 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:29.05 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 09:29.38 | infernix | uhuh |
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| 09:29.58 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 09:30.36 | perlmonkey | is it everyone hot enough> |
| 09:30.53 | shining | perlmonkey: are you hot? |
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| 09:30.57 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 09:31.04 | shining | your left testicle too? |
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| 09:31.11 | perlmonkey | shining: where you at? North Pole? |
| 09:31.13 | Trigger7 | since around two days i have the problem that dns lookups need around 2 or three seconds. i already disabled ipv6, but this wasn't the problem. system is sid... |
| 09:31.18 | shining | perlmonkey: south |
| 09:31.21 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:31.23 | Trigger7 | it is damn hot |
| 09:31.41 | shining | Trigger7: it's the heat |
| 09:31.48 | Trigger7 | hehe ;) |
| 09:31.49 | shining | Trigger7: it fucks up networks |
| 09:32.02 | infernix | Trigger7: try various nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf. if its all the same, strace host www.google.com and see where it stalls |
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| 09:32.18 | Trigger7 | hm, right - will add some |
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| 09:32.48 | scandrou | liable: no readme in /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng-source :( |
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| 09:33.33 | perlmonkey | nuffin movin on ebay, trade is slow |
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| 09:33.47 | maikol | how can i get java applets to run in firefox |
| 09:34.49 | liable | scandrou: try, m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng-source |
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| 09:35.15 | Trigger7 | infernix, worked - i added my router as nameserver |
| 09:35.30 | Trigger7 | i wonder why it worked before... |
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| 09:36.25 | scandrou | liable: done |
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| 09:38.00 | shining | Trigger7: what did you have before? |
| 09:38.34 | liable | scandrou: so load the modules, and configure your card i guess.. |
| 09:38.37 | Trigger7 | before what? before adding my router? two adresses of external dns servers of my provider |
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| 09:39.12 | Trigger7 | aha, seems as if my router sends them |
| 09:39.27 | Trigger7 | maybe one of them is a little bit slow nowadays... |
| 09:39.45 | infernix | mafkees |
| 09:40.06 | infernix | 2.2? come on. :) |
| 09:40.20 | sussudio | the aic78xx driver in 2.4 and 2.6 is broken. |
| 09:40.25 | sussudio | it's been broken for a LONG TIME |
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| 09:40.55 | sussudio | i remember having the same shit on another pc. |
| 09:41.07 | sussudio | 3 YEARS ago. |
| 09:41.40 | sid | Can I have my xchat window be semi-transparent...so I can see the movie playing in the background(mplayer/gnome-terminal) ? |
| 09:41.46 | sid | Is that possible now? |
| 09:42.01 | scandrou | liable: module not found. |
| 09:42.16 | waiting | sid: I answer with a decisive "maybe!" |
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| 09:42.24 | liable | scandrou: what module did you try to load? did you read any of the docs?? |
| 09:42.38 | sid | waiting: You have a factoid/link? |
| 09:42.45 | waiting | sid: no ^^ |
| 09:42.54 | infernix | sussudio: havent had any problems with either the old nor the new 7xxx driver |
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| 09:43.25 | sussudio | infernix: i don't care. google says otherwise. |
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| 09:43.32 | infernix | sussudio: pick better hardware ;) |
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| 09:43.50 | sussudio | infernix: fuck you |
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| 09:44.48 | infernix | no thanks |
| 09:44.58 | infernix | !beer sussudio |
| 09:45.42 | asdex | hi I have debian 3.1. will this install on a partition or overwrite my whole hard drive? |
| 09:45.51 | FlopsyPete | how do I clear out Synaptic's list of 'New in repository'? |
| 09:46.00 | Gnea | asdex: it'll install on whatever you tell it to install on |
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| 09:46.30 | asdex | oh thanks I give it a go then |
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| 09:47.03 | FlopsyPete | asdex: if you have an existing operating system using up the whole drive you'll first have to reduce the size of that operating system's partition in order to make space for Debian |
| 09:47.59 | asdex | No its ok I have windows and a second partition with ArkLinux on it. |
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| 09:51.03 | asdex | I'm just getting the instructions. I have a celeron 533. Would I get the Intel x86? |
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| 09:51.44 | Ronin | hey cool,i got called elitist |
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| 09:52.06 | waiting | Ronin: by whom? :D |
| 09:52.25 | pitufo | hi, how to know with which configure options was a debian packet build ? |
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| 09:52.32 | Ronin | waiting: dont want to say :( it was by a microsoft mvp in a ms newsgroup heh |
| 09:52.35 | pitufo | like --with-largefile for pure-ftpd |
| 09:52.41 | waiting | Ronin: ok :) |
| 09:52.54 | Ronin | Ronin: so its worth as much as those letters are behind the persons name heh |
| 09:52.59 | waiting | Ronin: I have been called that, too. I cannot even remember why |
| 09:53.19 | infernix | pitufo: you can add a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list and then do an apt-get source [package]. it'll then extract the source package and the configure rule is always in [packagename]/debian/rules |
| 09:53.33 | Ronin | i was trying to explain hacker vs cracker vs virus writer etc apparently they are all the same now |
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| 09:54.01 | waiting | haaa |
| 09:54.03 | pitufo | infernix: ok |
| 09:54.17 | pitufo | easy way to do things |
| 09:54.26 | Ronin | and speaking of coffee |
| 09:54.47 | waiting | I am sorry! I cannot get rid of the writing "coffea" |
| 09:55.20 | waiting | it's so beautiful .) |
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| 09:58.30 | infernix | get a regex capable irc client;) |
| 09:58.55 | ktwilight | how do i escape {} in sed? |
| 09:58.57 | FlopsyPete | asdex: yes, x86 |
| 09:59.23 | sid | ktwilight: /join #sed |
| 09:59.32 | ktwilight | ah, thanks :) |
| 10:00.07 | perlmonkey | i miss debian on my laptop :( |
| 10:01.59 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 10:02.53 | cydork | ktwilight: : \ ;) |
| 10:03.13 | ktwilight | i did try \ |
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| 10:04.45 | cydork | ktwilight: it works!!!! had no problems ever... |
| 10:05.16 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 10:05.29 | ktwilight | sed '/\$cfg\{UsersWebName\} =\ 'Main'\;/!d' TWiki.cfg <- what's wrong with that then? |
| 10:05.54 | ktwilight | it gives a sed: -e expression #1, char 33: Invalid content of \{\} |
| 10:07.08 | driller- | is there any other pc manufacturer apart from dell ? |
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| 10:07.33 | waiting | driller-: I sure hope so! |
| 10:07.36 | waiting | driller-: 8) |
| 10:08.00 | driller- | why? isnt dell good? |
| 10:08.10 | waiting | driller-: no, for competition |
| 10:08.22 | waiting | driller-: captialism without competition = stalinism |
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| 10:08.48 | driller- | russian chicks rock |
| 10:08.56 | perlmonkey | ibm, toshiba, compaq |
| 10:08.56 | waiting | driller-: you have a point there |
| 10:09.13 | boatroach | I've heard Debian is supposed to be like one of the best Linux distros. But I just installed it from DVDs and it has almost no good software including a total lack of Firefox. Also, my screen res won't go over 800x600, and my speakers hiss uber-loudly unless I turn them all the way down. I can't seem to find ANY intuitive configuration programs to fix this. Have I done something wrong, or what? |
| 10:09.26 | driller- | boatroach wow |
| 10:09.39 | boatroach | O_O |
| 10:09.43 | waiting | oO |
| 10:09.45 | boatroach | is this really "the great Debian"? |
| 10:09.52 | cahoot | yes |
| 10:09.56 | infernix | boatroach: you have to actually install the software. |
| 10:10.01 | waiting | want 1? or 2? |
| 10:10.05 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 10:10.16 | boatroach | I'm sitting here talking to you guys on an 800x600 screen resolution and I can see like 5-10 lines in the chat window. |
| 10:10.19 | infernix | boatroach: debian doesnt bloat your system with loads of crap you'll never use upon initial installation |
| 10:10.31 | perlmonkey | boatroach change your config |
| 10:10.40 | boatroach | okay, so what is good software to install to fix this hissing coming from my sound card, and to increase my monitor resolution? |
| 10:10.53 | waiting | boatroach: if you need a desktop _fast_, there are debian derivates, that do most of the afterworks for you |
| 10:11.08 | waiting | boatroach: otherwise, get a little into manual system setup |
| 10:11.11 | boatroach | yes, I know, I've used Ubuntu |
| 10:11.18 | boatroach | but I thought maybe I'd try out the original, thinking it would be better.... |
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| 10:11.27 | boatroach | but so far I'm not sure what's so great about it....lol |
| 10:11.29 | ktwilight | it is better :) |
| 10:11.30 | ktwilight | it hink...... |
| 10:11.31 | waiting | boatroach: it is "better" only in a very specific way |
| 10:11.31 | boatroach | why? |
| 10:11.36 | boatroach | what way is that? |
| 10:11.38 | infernix | boatroach: if you're going from ubuntu to debian you'll have to realize that alot of work ubuntu does has to be done by yourself now. |
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| 10:11.41 | ktwilight | it just needs more time to be taken care of |
| 10:11.43 | bronze | boatroach: I hesitate to say it in this channel, but Ubuntu distro is deb ian based but is much more usable out of the box for non-gurus. |
| 10:11.46 | waiting | boatroach: it gives you full control |
| 10:12.06 | waiting | boatroach: (alongside more work) |
| 10:12.17 | boatroach | to a degree, I am a guru, but I've never had these problems before and I don't know how to fix this |
| 10:12.23 | boatroach | them* |
| 10:12.29 | infernix | then you're not guru enough, honestly. no offense:) |
| 10:12.39 | rhalff_ | this is a pretty bad timing from a host with ip 192.168.1.4, isn't it ? ping: 64 bytes from 192.168.1.5: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.219 ms |
| 10:12.40 | boatroach | not guru enough for what? |
| 10:13.10 | ktwilight | for handling debian |
| 10:13.15 | infernix | so either pick the guru way and figure out how X works and how to set up alsa for your sound, or stick with a desktop oriented debian derivative |
| 10:13.15 | ktwilight | :) |
| 10:13.18 | cahoot | boatroach: you want to look at the Debian Reference |
| 10:13.27 | bronze | boatroach: he's saying a true guru would be able to fix those problems. |
| 10:13.31 | boatroach | so, this channel is apparently not for helping people, but for insulting their computer skills |
| 10:13.38 | waiting | boatroach: yes |
| 10:13.44 | ktwilight | it took me nearly two weeks to get debian running the way i like...it was scary :( |
| 10:13.45 | waiting | boatroach: that's what we are all about ;D |
| 10:13.46 | infernix | boatroach: no it's not. you actually claim yourself you're a guru. |
| 10:13.47 | boatroach | I am able to fix those problems; I just don't know which software to use |
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| 10:13.56 | boatroach | well, you don't even know me. |
| 10:13.59 | cahoot | boatroach: you want to look at the Debian Reference |
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| 10:14.03 | waiting | boatroach: chill out ^^ whatcha want :)) |
| 10:14.16 | infernix | boatroach: i think you missed the 'no offense' part. |
| 10:14.16 | ktwilight | boatroach, wiki.debian.org and debian-administration.org should be of good help |
| 10:14.17 | waiting | boatroach: specific uestions allow for answers |
| 10:14.19 | boatroach | just because I've never used Debian before and don't know what to do about these problems, I'm not a guru |
| 10:14.49 | ktwilight | the channel topic is good too :) |
| 10:15.06 | boatroach | waiting: my screen resolution is 800x600. This is not satisfactory. and my sound card hisses. This is not satisfactory either. There are specific questions. |
| 10:15.16 | cahoot | boatroach: the guru thing is quite pointless - you need read some howtos |
| 10:15.18 | sadrul | once i see someone claiming himself a guru. i consider him not to be a guru |
| 10:15.19 | bronze | boatroach, a true guru doesn'r ask for help on simple things. not do they whine about help in a channel. |
| 10:15.32 | bronze | don't call yourself a guru when askinmg for help. |
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| 10:15.52 | boatroach | it doesn't make someone not a guru if they can't fix a certain problem. |
| 10:15.59 | infernix | hehe. |
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| 10:16.12 | infernix | well, i suggest you read the reference manual and drop the guru thing |
| 10:16.13 | driller- | anyone know the most complete contemporary hardware database? |
| 10:16.18 | boatroach | if there's one specific dish someone can't cook, does that prevent them from being a cook? :-P |
| 10:16.32 | boatroach | all right, well, I'll check out this "Debian reference." |
| 10:16.34 | infernix | boatroach: no but it also doesnt mean they are the best cook. |
| 10:16.35 | bronze | What makes someone "Not a guru" is claiming to be a guru. |
| 10:16.42 | boatroach | I never said I was the best guru. |
| 10:16.46 | boatroach | you are probably gurus than I. |
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| 10:17.14 | infernix | so go read up and expand your own guruness. |
| 10:17.20 | boatroach | I didn't take offense from the word "guru", I took offense from being told I could not handle Debian, people come in here for help; they don't come in here for the purpose of being told not to use this software |
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| 10:18.19 | sadrul | once i see someone calling debian a software, i consider him not to be a guru |
| 10:18.21 | bronze | You don't understand, the debian community doesn't want just anyone using their distro. |
| 10:18.52 | bronze | you have to pass certain requirements before they will let you into the community. |
| 10:19.08 | boatroach | sadrul: an operating system is a software. |
| 10:19.11 | waiting | I have a beard |
| 10:19.12 | bronze | boatroach: you didn't pass the test. |
| 10:19.23 | ktwilight | ouch |
| 10:19.24 | infernix | rhalff_: seems fine to me for LAN latency |
| 10:19.29 | sadrul | boatroach: debian is not an OS |
| 10:19.32 | boatroach | bronze: give me your boyz 0nly club intiation test |
| 10:19.40 | boatroach | do I have to drink some worm guts? |
| 10:19.47 | cahoot | boatroach: what version af debian did you install? |
| 10:19.51 | boatroach | 3.1 r2 |
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| 10:19.59 | bronze | boatroach: They already gave it to you. its not an aptitude test, its an attitude test. :) |
| 10:20.23 | boatroach | my attitude is fine. I have a right to be offended by the statement "you are not good enough to handle Debian." |
| 10:20.37 | boatroach | THAT is a bad attitude. |
| 10:20.48 | bronze | it was before that. :-) |
| 10:20.50 | cahoot | boatroach: for X try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -plow |
| 10:20.59 | shining | wait, you need to be a guru for handling debian? |
| 10:21.03 | infernix | you dont have any rights to claim, let alone the right on support |
| 10:21.04 | shining | now that's fun |
| 10:21.06 | schasi | jep |
| 10:21.11 | infernix | you can ask nicely though |
| 10:21.43 | boatroach | if you scroll back up, you'll see that I did. |
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| 10:21.57 | infernix | boatroach: which soundcard? |
| 10:22.01 | boatroach | the closest thing I said to having a bad attitude was that I didn't see what was so special about Debian at this point. |
| 10:22.07 | boatroach | infernix: SoundBlaster PCI 128 |
| 10:22.15 | cahoot | boatroach: for sound I'd say : run alsamixer, adjust pcm and master (assuming you use alsa) |
| 10:22.21 | boatroach | ok |
| 10:22.46 | rhalff_ | infernix, ah ok, I hoped my svn slowness was based on a bad lan :) |
| 10:22.59 | Eulex | to get alsa if you don't have it, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils, then run alsaconf |
| 10:23.10 | ktwilight | remember to alsaconf once ya installed alsa and its wrapper for your apps |
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| 10:23.24 | infernix | rhalff_: i have this asus wl500g with openwrt as a switch. got about the same lan latency. i guess good net equipment will beat it but its fine imo |
| 10:23.31 | liable | !qotd199 |
| 10:23.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd199 is Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 10:23.34 | liable | lol :P |
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| 10:24.01 | infernix | ;0 |
| 10:24.06 | sybec | Hello. I've installed Debian Testing and I'd like to upgrade to "unstable". I know I have to modify sources.list but I don't know details. Can and will someone please help? |
| 10:24.18 | ktwilight | just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:24.29 | liable | !iyhtays |
| 10:24.29 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 10:24.31 | boatroach | qotd199 misspelled "netiquette" as "neqiqette" |
| 10:24.36 | boatroach | netqette* |
| 10:24.38 | shining | sybec: prepare for being flamed |
| 10:24.40 | Eulex | sybec, really, if you don't know how to do that, you shouldn't. |
| 10:24.41 | shining | too late |
| 10:24.47 | infernix | sybec: if you can avoid running unstable, by all means do so. |
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| 10:25.13 | bilss_ | hi folks |
| 10:25.28 | sybec | shining: Big deal. |
| 10:25.32 | perlmonkey | hi bliss |
| 10:25.50 | bilss_ | hi perlmonkey |
| 10:26.01 | sybec | Really, pointing to an online resource on the matter is what I need |
| 10:26.06 | tenzing_ | hi , how can i configure my debian system to use a network printer |
| 10:26.08 | bilss_ | what to ask a perl /p2ph question |
| 10:26.11 | infernix | sybec: debian reference manual. www.debian.org. |
| 10:26.33 | liable | tenzing_: is it shared via ipp aor samba? |
| 10:26.34 | Eclipser | etch still doesn't have all nvidia stuff, right? |
| 10:26.41 | sybec | infernix: Thanks |
| 10:26.44 | shining | right |
| 10:26.59 | bilss_ | liable: hows the beer and pizzadown under? |
| 10:27.08 | tenzing_ | the network printer has its own ip, is it ipp?? |
| 10:27.09 | bilss_ | downunder |
| 10:27.16 | shining | nvidia-glx is only in stable and unstable |
| 10:27.25 | shining | and it's not clear whether it's in backports or not |
| 10:27.34 | Eclipser | okies, then I'll install sid |
| 10:27.39 | liable | bilss_: the beer is cold, and tasty. the pizza i havent had for a few days :) |
| 10:27.46 | Eclipser | I need to do full system clean up :< |
| 10:27.52 | sid | Eclipser: You can't "install" sid. |
| 10:27.56 | shining | Eclipser: or sarge |
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| 10:28.01 | Eclipser | sid, I know :) |
| 10:28.14 | cahoot | tenzing_: http://linuxprinting.org/~till/printing-tutorial/tut.html#1_3 |
| 10:28.15 | perlmonkey | bake a pizza |
| 10:28.25 | Eclipser | shining, sarge's not an option for me :) |
| 10:28.28 | schasi | sid: Why cant you? |
| 10:28.29 | shining | or even better, find out how to do it with etch |
| 10:28.30 | liable | tenzing_: if it does ipp, you should be able to open localhost:631 (cups admin gui) and simply add it |
| 10:28.48 | Eclipser | I have two etch boxes and one sid box here |
| 10:28.51 | boatroach | cahoot: alsaconf doesn't recognize my card, and there doesn't seem to be any way of specifying the model. |
| 10:28.53 | infernix | Eclipser: you can always just add a deb-src line and apt-get -b source the drivers |
| 10:28.55 | shining | Eclipser: so you can tell us how to do it |
| 10:28.55 | liable | tenzing_: ethereal will show you if its sending out announcements that its available |
| 10:29.03 | Eclipser | shining, :p |
| 10:29.42 | bilss_ | liable: can you take a look at http://pastebin.ca/93303 |
| 10:30.21 | liable | bilss_: nfc, sorry |
| 10:30.21 | cahoot | boatroach: lspci -v should give you some info about you sound device |
| 10:30.40 | liable | bilss_: what kernel do you have? |
| 10:30.49 | liable | boatroach: ^^ |
| 10:31.10 | tenzing_ | liable, when i try to add the printer using KDE control module i get an error saying "Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager:" |
| 10:31.24 | boatroach | yes, it's a PCI |
| 10:31.29 | liable | tenzing_: i dunno about the kde one. try the cups one |
| 10:31.37 | liable | boatroach: what kernel? |
| 10:31.48 | boatroach | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:32.02 | tenzing_ | liable, how do i use the cups one |
| 10:32.04 | boatroach | o_O |
| 10:32.05 | bilss_ | liable: nfc i think i know what that means he he ok i have p2ph alraedy i want to know if *.h sys/*.h is already done |
| 10:32.14 | liable | boatroach: 2.4 doesnt do alsa, you need alsa -modules package or the 2.6 |
| 10:32.16 | boatroach | that means Debian hasn't been updated since kernel 2.6 came out.... |
| 10:32.16 | sybec | What do I need to install in order to have "apt-setup" installed ? |
| 10:32.25 | bilss_ | liable:how to check |
| 10:32.45 | boatroach | all right well thanks for the help |
| 10:32.46 | boatroach | l8r |
| 10:32.54 | liable | bilss_: the kernel thing wasnt for you. and i have no idea about your problem. sorry |
| 10:33.14 | liable | heh, he'll be back on ubuntu tomorrow :) |
| 10:33.21 | bilss_ | liable: ok thanks are you still on holiday |
| 10:33.33 | cydork | !tell sybec about apt-setup |
| 10:33.36 | liable | bilss_: unfortunately not. :( |
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| 10:33.59 | infernix | bliss: apt-get install libdb-file-lock-perl |
| 10:34.05 | liable | tenzing_: in your browser http://127.0.0.1:631 |
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| 10:34.35 | bilss_ | infernis: what would that do? |
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| 10:35.30 | bilss_ | infernix: thanks but what will that install accomplish? |
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| 10:35.40 | infernix | bliss: install the DB_File module you need. |
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| 10:36.09 | XJih78 | y0 |
| 10:37.11 | bilss_ | infernix: ok thanks i have downloaded the gz but if that will install that module thats great any ideas on the rest of the info in thepastebin |
| 10:37.56 | infernix | bilss_: i dont know about "cd /usr/include; h2ph *.h sys/*.h", but h2ph is included with the perl package. no idea what thats supposed to do |
| 10:38.34 | tenzing_ | liable, in the "Device URI" am i supposed to give the ip address of the printer?? |
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| 10:39.06 | bilss_ | infernix i could run it ans see what happens |
| 10:39.17 | infernix | you can indeed:) |
| 10:39.19 | liable | tenzing_: usually ipp://url/nameofprinter |
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| 10:40.32 | bilss_ | infernix: because its rock solid |
| 10:40.33 | liable | tenzing_: ipp://192.168.1.3:631/printers/MFC7220 thats my network one |
| 10:40.34 | roxy_ | can I do a floppy instal, with net over wifi? |
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| 10:41.00 | liable | tenzing_: but thats shared via cups, not a directly connected printer |
| 10:41.19 | tenzing_ | liable, ok |
| 10:41.34 | infernix | bliss: and ubuntu isnt? |
| 10:41.54 | infernix | i have never actually tried it myself |
| 10:42.15 | liable | infernix: they switch over cause of the percieved l33tness? |
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| 10:42.37 | infernix | i have tried progeny in the past (read: years ago) but i didnt really feel that comfortable with it |
| 10:42.39 | bilss_ | ok i have etch on vmware and its only the weelky install from 11 july but i got gnome and i only wanted mail server-amazing |
| 10:42.42 | liable | and then cry cause shit doesnt work out of the box?? |
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| 10:43.34 | infernix | yes, well, initial assesments were correct it seems in retrospect |
| 10:43.38 | bilss_ | infernix: its ok 6.06 server is ok on a labtop |
| 10:44.03 | infernix | i guess i should give ubuntu a spin to see what the fuss is about tho |
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| 10:45.06 | bilss_ | its not as bad as it was and the debian guy at howtoforge.com says its ok on a labtop |
| 10:45.24 | liable | infernix: i tried it on my laptop, and indeed, it was polished. shit worked (suspend and even modem) but i scratched my head a bit to find out where the hell it did its magic. it stayed on my laptop for a week :) |
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| 10:46.13 | bilss_ | liable: and then waht happened |
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| 10:47.01 | liable | bilss_: i lived happily ever after? |
| 10:47.50 | liable | bilss_: but actually :) i had two debian install on here at the time, i wiped ubuntu, and i cant remember what i did wit the space :) |
| 10:47.54 | bilss_ | liable; after the week did dapper live happily ever after? |
| 10:48.10 | liable | bilss_: oh, this was about 9 months aga.. |
| 10:48.23 | liable | ago* |
| 10:48.26 | bilss_ | liable: dapper came out 1st june |
| 10:48.42 | liable | i didnt say i installed dapper.. |
| 10:48.54 | liable | it must have been breezy i guess. |
| 10:48.59 | bilss_ | liable; i did not say you did |
| 10:49.22 | Fox | did you say you didn't say he did ? |
| 10:49.30 | liable | heh |
| 10:49.53 | bilss_ | liable: whats the best way to uninstall gnome and install fluxbox on etch |
| 10:50.17 | bilss_ | Fox: hehe |
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| 10:50.48 | jbrimble2 | How do i install a GUI environment on my debian machine via apt-get? It's been installed without X, and I want to run Gnome. |
| 10:50.48 | liable | i am getting a new laptop with a good graphics card, and if i cant compile cvs xgl, i may perform sacriladge and try it with ubuntu or even maybe *gulp* kororaa |
| 10:50.59 | Eulex | !remove gnome |
| 10:51.00 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 10:51.01 | `ns` | apt-get remove gnome apt-get install fluxbox .... or something like that |
| 10:51.15 | Eulex | `ns`, no. |
| 10:51.26 | Eulex | gnome is a metapackage. |
| 10:51.45 | jbrimble2 | !install gnome |
| 10:51.45 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 10:51.58 | `ns` | Eulex, heh, been a while since I last used it then :) |
| 10:52.06 | jbrimble2 | !set up ex |
| 10:52.13 | jbrimble2 | !set up x |
| 10:52.14 | dpkg | well, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 10:52.21 | liable | well, if you use aptitude, life is simple.. :) |
| 10:52.22 | Eulex | jbrimble2, please /msg the bot instead |
| 10:52.30 | bilss_ | 'ns' thanks or something like that umm its a start |
| 10:52.34 | jbrimble2 | Eulex, sorry :) |
| 10:52.38 | Eulex | `ns`, hehe :) |
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| 10:53.06 | Eulex | bilss_, no, dpkg gave you the right answer. look above. |
| 10:53.47 | bilss_ | Eulex thanks |
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| 10:54.00 | liable | Eulex: i dunno if thats applicable for etch. iirc that was for sarge (it may well have been updated though) |
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| 10:54.44 | tenzing_ | liable, thanks .. i could add the printer now .. i didnt know there is a browser interface to set up a network printer :) |
| 10:54.54 | liable | tenzing_: sweet |
| 10:54.58 | eimajenthat | When I do apt-get update, I have all these weird repostories that end with 'pdiff' |
| 10:55.02 | eimajenthat | what are they> |
| 10:55.04 | eimajenthat | ? |
| 10:55.12 | liable | !pdiff |
| 10:55.12 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. |
| 10:55.28 | Eulex | liable, oh |
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| 10:55.45 | eimajenthat | interesting |
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| 10:55.59 | liable | !listkeys pdiff |
| 10:56.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pdiff' by key (3): #debian pdiff ;; pdiff ;; _default pdiff. |
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| 10:56.37 | fasta | When I run ftptop I get: /var/run/proftpd/proftpd.scoreboard: No such file or directory Shouldn't this Just Work without changing the configuration file? |
| 10:56.40 | bilss_ | Eulex: i could give it a try i suppose |
| 10:57.25 | liable | eimajenthat: subscribe to dwn |
| 10:57.58 | eimajenthat | come again? |
| 10:58.12 | liable | !tell eimajenthat about dwn |
| 10:58.41 | perlmonkey | why does empathy mean |
| 10:58.44 | perlmonkey | *what |
| 10:58.53 | liable | !dict empathy |
| 10:58.56 | dpkg | Dictionary 'empathy' understanding and entering into another's feelings |
| 10:59.02 | perlmonkey | thanks liable |
| 10:59.03 | eimajenthat | cool |
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| 11:00.09 | roxy_ | I went to see how ubuntu do floppy install. It says to use debian boot floppy :-) |
| 11:00.10 | liable | perlmonkey: apt-get install dict (its very handy :) |
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| 11:01.45 | bilss_ | lcatch you later folks |
| 11:01.51 | liable | bilss_: laters |
| 11:04.57 | perlmonkey | liable thanks for the tip |
| 11:05.07 | liable | np |
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| 11:08.46 | Adriel_BR | i am running the glxinfo and i am getting this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SQhnrU71.html ... why ? what is wrong? i have a Load "glx" on the xorg.conf |
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| 11:09.42 | Eulex | Adriel_BR, check your X config and log. |
| 11:09.49 | Adriel_BR | but... |
| 11:09.51 | Adriel_BR | check for what? |
| 11:10.05 | Adriel_BR | i have checkt they |
| 11:10.07 | Eulex | errors? warnings? |
| 11:10.16 | roxy_ | I booted with the first boot floppy, but when I insert root.img, nothing happen |
| 11:10.19 | Adriel_BR | in the log ther isnt warning about glx |
| 11:10.39 | Eulex | does it say anything at all about glx? |
| 11:10.54 | Adriel_BR | let me see |
| 11:11.22 | Adriel_BR | what is the path of the log ? |
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| 11:12.39 | Eulex | Adriel_BR, umh, if you don't know where the log is stored, how in the world were you able to know that there wasn't any warning about glx in it? it's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for Xorg, and var/log/Xfree86.0.log or similar for xfree86 |
| 11:12.43 | fasta | Adriel_BR: What driver did you load? |
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| 11:13.47 | tenzing_ | is there any site which offers free shell login from where i can tunnel my irc, because the admins here block the irc port |
| 11:14.19 | Adriel_BR | fasta, nvidia geforce fx5200 |
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| 11:15.04 | driller- | when conroe will be available? |
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| 11:15.46 | Adriel_BR | br |
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| 11:16.51 | fasta | tenzing_: HackBox, maybe |
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| 11:18.40 | tenzing_ | fasta, hackbox.org?? |
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| 11:20.29 | liable | tenzing_: ssh to your home box and irc from it |
| 11:20.36 | DerJamster | yay irssi. |
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| 11:22.24 | roxy_ | I burned again a root.img floppy, but still got a No devices found! message. Should I keep doing it untill I got no floppies left ? |
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| 11:22.55 | liable | roxy_: are you following the ig way to make floppies? |
| 11:23.22 | roxy_ | liable: I did: dd if=root.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync |
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| 11:23.45 | liable | ok |
| 11:24.12 | roxy_ | liable: I downloaded twice root.img, and both download got the same md5 |
| 11:24.21 | RichiH | what solutions would you guys choose to log everything that is happening on a shell? |
| 11:24.28 | petemc | script |
| 11:24.34 | roxy_ | liable: can I check the md5 of the floppy ? |
| 11:24.41 | RichiH | petemc: that for me? |
| 11:24.50 | liable | roxy_: i dont know actually |
| 11:24.53 | petemc | RichiH: aye |
| 11:25.11 | liable | roxy_: i have very limited exp with floppies |
| 11:25.22 | RichiH | as in custom script? |
| 11:25.27 | roxy_ | liable: lucky man :-) |
| 11:25.39 | liable | heh |
| 11:25.41 | petemc | RichiH: no, /usr/bin/script |
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| 11:26.07 | tenzing_ | liable, am thinking if there is some place i can ssh into outside of our domain |
| 11:26.18 | RichiH | petemc: will manpagle, thanks |
| 11:26.23 | petemc | np |
| 11:26.37 | liable | tenzing_: google for free shels i guess |
| 11:26.42 | liable | +l |
| 11:27.11 | liable | if anyone running a 2.6 kernel is mad enough to hand them out :) |
| 11:27.33 | RichiH | petemc: neato, thanks |
| 11:27.44 | tenzing_ | liable, ok :) |
| 11:27.47 | driller- | how can I see if a VIDEO_TS folder is PAL or NTSC ? |
| 11:28.35 | shining | driller-: you can't play it with mplayer and check the aspect ratio or something? |
| 11:28.43 | liable | driller-: play it in mplayer. usualyy outputs a bit of info |
| 11:29.04 | driller- | I am on win32 now |
| 11:29.19 | shining | it has mplayer too :d |
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| 11:29.35 | schasi | And it has tools that can do that |
| 11:29.41 | RichiH | petemc: do you have experience with using that as your shell? on a hunch, i would say script -afc /usr/bin/zsh should do the trick |
| 11:29.44 | shining | though I think by default it runs in gui mode, and I'm not sure how to get its output |
| 11:29.53 | driller- | http://www2.mplayerhq.hu/? |
| 11:30.03 | schasi | shining: nope, console |
| 11:30.11 | schasi | there is mplayer gui though |
| 11:30.18 | liable | whats with www2? |
| 11:30.21 | driller- | I thought hungarians were only capable of producing pornchicks |
| 11:30.32 | shining | liable: normal one was down here |
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| 11:30.39 | shining | last time I tried, that is |
| 11:31.17 | shining | seems it works now. though www2 comes first in google :) |
| 11:31.35 | ins_cro | hello, is it possible to discover which hard disk has highest boot priority in BIOS from Linux? |
| 11:32.05 | ins_cro | e.g. which disk is first to boot? |
| 11:32.44 | shining | ins_cro: I'm not sure, at least I wouldn't know how to check it (outside the bios itself) |
| 11:33.10 | infernix | actually, grub checks for that. |
| 11:33.18 | infernix | if you use grub, cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 11:33.31 | blinx | hi |
| 11:33.41 | ins_cro | i use LILO :( |
| 11:34.10 | shining | has the boot priority anything to do with the order of the disks? |
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| 11:35.04 | schasi | maybe, if you say "try other disks as well" |
| 11:36.05 | ins_cro | i have installation of some software: install goes to disk which is first show in fdisk -l, and i install LILO on first partition on that hard disk |
| 11:36.16 | nuke | what do i have to do other han copy the public key of comp1 into /root/.ssh/authorised_keys of comp2 so that i dont have to login again while ssh? |
| 11:36.34 | ins_cro | now, if in BIOS some other disk is first, the system won't boot |
| 11:38.00 | ins_cro | can I install LILO on all mbr's of hard disks (all hard disk are bootable) with configuration which will point to hard disk where is rootfs? |
| 11:38.42 | driller- | mpleyer is stupid cmd? |
| 11:38.48 | infernix | ins_cro: why would the disk order change? are you trying to make a software raid1 bootable? |
| 11:39.01 | tuv | mplayer is the best! |
| 11:39.08 | epsilon | ins_cro: 2 ide hdd something? |
| 11:39.17 | ins_cro | i have sata and pata disks |
| 11:39.25 | ins_cro | 3 disks |
| 11:39.42 | infernix | nuke: that should be enough, provided that the authorized_keys file has the correct owner and permissions (chmod 0600) |
| 11:39.48 | ins_cro | some of them is set in BIOS to have boot priority 1 |
| 11:39.59 | blinx | at the installation i set the resolution to 1280x1024 but now i only can set it to 1024x768 |
| 11:40.10 | epsilon | ins_cro: you need to define own disk and bios order in lilo.conf... |
| 11:40.12 | infernix | ins_cro: some? there can be only one at the top of the boot order list |
| 11:40.23 | ins_cro | i look with fdisk -l and use first disk which is shown |
| 11:40.24 | blinx | does anybody know how i can set it back to 1280? |
| 11:40.27 | blinx | THX |
| 11:40.54 | infernix | blink: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:40.55 | tuv | blinx, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:42.08 | ins_cro | my problem is: how to know in Linux which hard disk is first to boot in BIOS |
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| 11:42.31 | possie | is it possible to change the number of inodes on a filesystem without having te reformat it? |
| 11:42.37 | blinx | should i install xserver-xfree86? |
| 11:42.49 | xdr | why isn't there a irl command rm -rf /yesterday/ ? |
| 11:43.04 | infernix | ins_cro: grub can find that out. grub is better than lilo anyway and less prone to errors; i recommend using grub over lilo any day. |
| 11:43.10 | epsilon | ins_cro: what are your /dev/<hdds>? |
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| 11:43.43 | nuke | infernix : in whose home/.ssh/authorised_keys should i put in the other comps key? |
| 11:43.49 | ins_cro | i use Debian/Knoppix 2.6.17 kernel |
| 11:44.14 | ins_cro | /dev/hdd, /dev/sda ... |
| 11:44.30 | infernix | nuke: you dont put the private key anywhere else but the machine you start ssh from. |
| 11:44.31 | epsilon | I need exact names |
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| 11:45.10 | infernix | epsilon: device names don't neccesairily tell about boot order, since they are dependant as to when the driver for that hardware gets loaded. |
| 11:45.26 | nuke | infernix : the private key is in the original copm, what about the public key? |
| 11:45.32 | shining | about this, it's really weird |
| 11:45.44 | infernix | nuke: the public key goes into authorized_keys on every host you want to log in to. |
| 11:45.52 | shining | my sata hard drivers have always been in the same order in the past |
| 11:46.30 | infernix | nuke: and that of course applies to the user you are logging in as. so if you log into joe@server, /home/joe/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 11:46.34 | shining | but last time I installed debian, it switched. really confusing. Maybe it's the debian kernel I'm using |
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| 11:46.41 | blinx | what should i edit in the xorg.conf? |
| 11:46.45 | nuke | infernix : k..lemme try |
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| 11:47.03 | infernix | blinx: its easier to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:47.17 | blinx | ok |
| 11:47.19 | blinx | and then? |
| 11:47.23 | shining | if it switch back to the usual order, I would have to edit all these config files.. it's annoying |
| 11:47.32 | scandrou | how can I change the language ? |
| 11:47.36 | infernix | select your resolutions, and deselect the ones you dont want |
| 11:47.39 | shining | infernix: when it works.. |
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| 11:49.20 | infernix | shining: thats kernel dependant, but usually only happens when there's more than one IDE/SCSI device. I had the same issue on a production server I upgraded. but you can sometimes control it by compiling the bootdevice into the kernel and the rest of the drivers as modules |
| 11:49.50 | infernix | then again not everyone builds their own [tm] :) |
| 11:50.12 | blinx | the highest resolution is 1024x768 |
| 11:50.27 | scandrou | Is there a way to re-do the basic conf that we normally do at install? |
| 11:50.36 | infernix | dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 11:50.44 | xdr | I wish I could write an irl os, my first commands in that os whould be, rm -rf /yesterday/, locate keys, locate wallet |
| 11:50.44 | shining | infernix: well, it's still a problem |
| 11:50.52 | scandrou | infernix: thanks |
| 11:50.57 | infernix | scandrou: but you want dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:51.10 | scandrou | :-) |
| 11:51.20 | shining | if I want to build a custom kernel, I'll likely build the sata drivers in, so that I can avoid using initrd |
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| 11:51.28 | shining | and it'll be all messed up |
| 11:51.44 | shining | it won't be able to boot |
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| 11:52.34 | shining | actually |
| 11:52.51 | shining | I wonder if it isn't already the problem, maybe it's swapping at each boot |
| 11:53.02 | shining | just like ethernet drivers |
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| 11:53.56 | ins_cro | no, it is not swapping. i would like to install software on device (disk) which is set in BIOS (boot priority 1) |
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| 11:54.39 | ins_cro | but, I don't know how to find out which device is that from Linux, with fdisk -l it is not working |
| 11:54.57 | infernix | ins_cro: grub can do that. |
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| 11:55.24 | ins_cro | with : cat /boot/grub/map ? |
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| 11:55.59 | infernix | ins_cro: grub replaces lilo. i suggest you read up about grub and then install it. |
| 11:56.05 | ins_cro | i will try with that |
| 11:57.15 | ins_cro | but, what when i have drives with same labels (in BIOS), their capacity only differ |
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| 12:02.04 | tenzing_ | someone please help me format my usb drive |
| 12:02.22 | blinx | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: base-config is not installed |
| 12:02.30 | blinx | and i don't find it anywherer |
| 12:02.31 | blinx | e |
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| 12:02.53 | blinx | what can i do? |
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| 12:03.15 | blinx | on ubuntu there are the same problems |
| 12:04.01 | blinx | is it maybe a bug? |
| 12:04.27 | infernix | base-config not installed? |
| 12:04.42 | infernix | thats like not possible? |
| 12:04.47 | blinx | it seems sp |
| 12:04.48 | blinx | so |
| 12:04.50 | blinx | hmm |
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| 12:05.00 | infernix | hm, it is i guess. apt-get install base-config |
| 12:05.14 | blinx | with apt i don't find anything as like that |
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| 12:05.42 | infernix | blinx: is your /etc/apt/sources.list correct |
| 12:05.44 | blinx | i gooogle |
| 12:05.45 | blinx | mom |
| 12:06.17 | blinx | http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/base-config |
| 12:06.24 | blinx | i found someting |
| 12:06.29 | infernix | blinx: check your sources.list. |
| 12:06.34 | blinx | mom |
| 12:07.53 | blinx | http://nopaste.debianforum.de/3750 |
| 12:08.02 | blinx | 64 bit! |
| 12:09.03 | seeds | when etch becomes stable what name will be the testing version named? |
| 12:09.12 | infernix | maybe things are different, try #debian-amd64 |
| 12:09.20 | infernix | seeds: will be etch. |
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| 12:09.44 | pitufo | does someone know if pure-ftpd is build with --with-largefile on sarge ? |
| 12:09.46 | infernix | seeds: as for the new testing, that i dont know. sid is always sid so i guess a new name |
| 12:10.08 | blinx | yes |
| 12:10.08 | seeds | yea infernix i meant about the new testing |
| 12:10.09 | blinx | mom |
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| 12:10.43 | seeds | debian is the most intriguing distro man |
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| 12:10.54 | infernix | pitufo: "./debian/rules:optflags=--with-everything --with-largefile --with-pam --with-privsep --with-tls". seems so. |
| 12:11.52 | blinx | But the following packages replaces them: |
| 12:11.53 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.38 | ThomasPorter | Hey, belive it or not I googled this :P... I must not of used the right keywords.. I need to submit my computers hardware details (processer make/speed etc...) how would I go about finding them out on debian? |
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| 12:13.03 | ktwilight | a simple, diff -a file.txt file.txt.old should output their differences, right? |
| 12:13.21 | ktwilight | but i don't get that :/ |
| 12:13.22 | ktwilight | something is weird |
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| 12:13.40 | blondie | maybe they're the same. |
| 12:13.53 | ktwilight | character by character? nope, they are different for sure |
| 12:14.11 | Mnabil | hello how can i enable the module libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 12:14.18 | ktwilight | ive' just diff -a file.txt lost.txt and it outputs their differences |
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| 12:14.23 | ktwilight | but both files are completely different though |
| 12:14.25 | Mnabil | as it's not enabled by defualt |
| 12:15.01 | ThomasPorter | uname doesn't output a list of hardware.. |
| 12:15.03 | ktwilight | i'm guessing diff doesn't show differences by character? |
| 12:15.04 | ThomasPorter | It just says 'linux' |
| 12:15.13 | ThomasPorter | But I knew it was linux, because I installed the thing. |
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| 12:15.19 | Mnabil | ?? |
| 12:15.35 | ThomasPorter | Does anyone know how to get a list of hardware in linux? |
| 12:15.49 | blondie | ThomasPorter: CPU can be found in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:15.56 | blondie | "lspci" will list some things |
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| 12:16.08 | Mnabil | for pci devices / lspci |
| 12:16.33 | cydork | ktwilight: diff checks line by line |
| 12:16.49 | ktwilight | doh! |
| 12:16.55 | ktwilight | my mistake my mistake |
| 12:17.53 | ThomasPorter | blondie: You know how in windows you goto start/my computer/properties and it gives you the ram and processer speed what would i need to do on linux |
| 12:17.54 | pitufo | infernix: I got optflags=--with-everything --with-pam --with-privsep --with-tls on my sarge ... |
| 12:18.02 | ThomasPorter | Sorry, i'll try proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:18.12 | Mnabil | ? |
| 12:18.18 | Mnabil | hello how can i enable the module libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 12:18.55 | ThomasPorter | Blondie, proc is 'permission denied' and thats odd.. because i'm root? |
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| 12:19.34 | blondie | ThomasPorter: what did you type? |
| 12:19.41 | blondie | (and please call me blondie :P) |
| 12:20.13 | ThomasPorter | lol |
| 12:20.51 | ThomasPorter | blondie: /proc/cpuinfo I also tried opening the folder in gnome but it just kept loading.. and didn't do anything amusing |
| 12:20.59 | blondie | it's not a program |
| 12:21.02 | Mnabil | Thanatermesis, use cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:21.07 | blondie | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:21.09 | Thanatermesis | yo ? |
| 12:21.31 | blondie | Mnabil had a tab-complete error ;) |
| 12:21.54 | Mnabil | blondie, lol, sorry pal , :P |
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| 12:22.13 | infernix | pitufo: actually, you're right. i have sid in my deb-src line |
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| 12:22.18 | mizer | i don`t have a display command/app installed |
| 12:22.20 | ThomasPorter | blondie: oh my, pefect! /proc/raminfo /proc/hdinfo work aswell? |
| 12:22.28 | mizer | when i do apt-get install display i get 0 packages |
| 12:22.40 | blondie | ThomasPorter: denied |
| 12:22.47 | Ronin | mizer: display? |
| 12:22.50 | azeem | mizer: the package is called imagemagick |
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| 12:22.54 | mizer | oohhh... |
| 12:22.57 | mizer | ok, thanks |
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| 12:23.13 | blondie | there's /proc/meminfo |
| 12:23.13 | ThomasPorter | blondie, that would be too easy wouldn't it? How would I go about getting this other info |
| 12:23.16 | azeem | !find /usr/bin/display stable |
| 12:23.31 | blinx | has someone a sources.list (amd64 testing)? |
| 12:23.36 | blinx | thank you! |
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| 12:23.58 | shining | blinx: well, it's debian |
| 12:24.01 | |^o_o^| | How can i increase the default ramdisk size? |
| 12:24.19 | azeem | |^o_o^|: which ramdisk? |
| 12:24.54 | ThomasPorter | blondie, how about ram? |
| 12:24.55 | |^o_o^| | ramdisk0 that we create via mkfs.ext3 |
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| 12:25.22 | blondie | ThomasPorter: /proc/meminfo maybe |
| 12:25.50 | pitufo | infernix: ok thx I will dpkg-buildpackge it with the option into debian/rules |
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| 12:26.34 | ThomasPorter | blondie, so memtotal is safe to assume thats ram? |
| 12:27.08 | blinx | well, it's debian? |
| 12:27.25 | jetscreamer | try apt-spy |
| 12:27.35 | Ronin | blinx: why not just create your won |
| 12:27.40 | jetscreamer | might not work for 64 though i don't know |
| 12:27.46 | blondie | ThomasPorter: yes |
| 12:27.53 | sid | |^o_o^|: add more ram? |
| 12:28.24 | ThomasPorter | blondie: awesome, thanks for your help! |
| 12:28.24 | |^o_o^| | yes |
| 12:28.24 | blinx | what should be in the sources.list? |
| 12:28.32 | shining | blinx: I hope everyone has a sources.list |
| 12:28.32 | shining | blinx: does debian support amd64 ? |
| 12:28.34 | azeem | shining: yes |
| 12:28.35 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 12:28.38 | schasi | yes |
| 12:28.47 | schasi | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 12:28.55 | azeem | blinx: what do you have in sources.list right now? |
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| 12:30.50 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/9363 |
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| 12:33.38 | shining | blinx: what's wrong with that? |
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| 12:34.22 | ornament | hello, i've some troubles with reinstalling grub... |
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| 12:35.22 | blinx | the mplayer sources aren't included |
| 12:35.25 | ornament | i type # grub-install hd0 , it says me "does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" |
| 12:35.33 | blinx | and some others of multimedia |
| 12:35.46 | shining | blinx: because debian doesn't have them |
| 12:36.14 | blinx | no? |
| 12:36.20 | shining | because of license issues and great stuff like that |
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| 12:36.50 | shining | and that some debian and some mplayer guys like each others a lot |
| 12:37.21 | Eulex | hehe :) |
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| 12:38.10 | shining | blinx: ppl usually use marillat repo. But I don't know with amd64, just look yourself |
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| 12:38.27 | blinx | righz |
| 12:38.32 | blinx | right: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 12:38.33 | blinx | # |
| 12:38.33 | blinx | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 12:38.55 | blinx | there are the packages NOT for amd64? |
| 12:39.14 | ornament | hello, i've some troubles with reinstalling grub... i type # grub-install hd0 , it says me "/dev/sdb2 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive", then i try grub-install --recheck /dev/hdb, as recommended, but it says me the same error! someone can help me? |
| 12:39.47 | shining | blinx: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/ |
| 12:39.55 | shining | there are amd64 stuff there |
| 12:40.01 | shining | so just try it |
| 12:40.02 | blinx | ok |
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| 12:40.34 | blinx | what should be put in the sources.list? |
| 12:40.37 | blinx | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/ |
| 12:40.38 | blinx | or |
| 12:40.41 | blinx | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 12:40.59 | blinx | i think the first, or? |
| 12:41.07 | Eulex | blinx, debian-multimedia.org tells you what to put there... |
| 12:41.33 | mdew-64k | anyone using Konq, has a little time to help me out? |
| 12:41.33 | Eulex | just scroll down a bit |
| 12:41.38 | ornament | hello, i've some troubles with reinstalling grub... i type # grub-install hd0 , it says me "/dev/sdb2 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive", then i try grub-install --recheck /dev/hdb, as recommended, but it says me the same error! someone can help me? |
| 12:41.48 | shining | ornament: another time please |
| 12:42.01 | shining | ornament: someone had the same problem |
| 12:42.06 | ornament | shining, what? |
| 12:42.09 | jetscreamer | ornament: maybe check /boot/grub/devices.list |
| 12:42.29 | jetscreamer | or device i forget |
| 12:42.32 | shining | I'm not sure if he fixed it, no one could help him iirc |
| 12:42.44 | jetscreamer | ornament: see also #grub |
| 12:43.13 | ornament | jetscreamer, both blank! |
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| 12:43.25 | jetscreamer | uh as in /join #grub |
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| 12:43.50 | jetscreamer | it might be device.map |
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| 12:44.08 | waiting | ^^ |
| 12:44.16 | shining | jetscreamer: it is |
| 12:44.48 | ornament | jetscreamer, the only line i have is: (fd0) /dev/fd0 |
| 12:45.03 | scandrou | infernix: I did dpkg-reconfigure locale, but aptitude output is still not in the laanguage I want. Do I have to reboot? |
| 12:45.14 | jetscreamer | iirc there's a grub command to rebuild your device.map |
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| 12:45.23 | shining | man grub then :) |
| 12:45.37 | ornament | ( jetscreamer , i have putted my request in #grub too) |
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| 12:45.43 | blinx | ok |
| 12:45.50 | shining | scandrou: well, you could try to log out first |
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| 12:46.07 | shining | I don't remember if it's needed |
| 12:46.10 | ornament | shining, yes, i use this command, unsuccesfully. |
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| 12:46.34 | ornament | *that |
| 12:47.42 | scandrou | shining: tis is the output:??????????????? |
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| 12:48.33 | Eulex | !ep |
| 12:48.33 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, elipse, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
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| 12:49.14 | Eulex | ah, sorry |
| 12:49.27 | scandrou | Eulex: np :-) |
| 12:49.42 | blinx | apt-get install basic-config |
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| 12:49.48 | Eulex | scandrou, you'll need to log out and in for the language settings to take effect. |
| 12:50.20 | Eulex | blinx, base-config. which only exists in stable and not in testing or sid |
| 12:51.03 | blinx | Eulex: ok, where i get something like that for testing? |
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| 12:51.34 | Eulex | blinx, well, what do you want to do? |
| 12:51.37 | mizer | hello. i`m using gdm and from it i`m login into blackbox |
| 12:51.48 | mizer | i want to add some startup commands to it |
| 12:52.12 | mizer | bu when i put ./xsession file in my home directory with some like "exec xmmx" |
| 12:52.16 | mizer | sorry |
| 12:52.17 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.21 | mizer | "exec xmms" |
| 12:52.27 | mizer | it ignores it all the way |
| 12:52.36 | blinx | because my highest resolution is only 1024 and not 1280 |
| 12:52.38 | mizer | maybe i named the file wrong ? |
| 12:52.40 | waiting | mizer: do you put it after you start the wm? |
| 12:52.42 | Eulex | mizer, it's .xsession. |
| 12:52.48 | waiting | ah |
| 12:52.49 | Eulex | !drxx blinx |
| 12:52.49 | dpkg | blinx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:52.51 | waiting | true %) |
| 12:53.02 | ornament | jetscreamer, #grub is an useless channel :( |
| 12:53.12 | mizer | i put it there, then i restarted all the xorg by ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 12:53.16 | waiting | ornament: info grub |
| 12:53.21 | waiting | ornament: :) |
| 12:53.40 | waiting | read and read and read ... |
| 12:53.47 | Ronin | then read some more |
| 12:53.51 | blinx | it doesn't change anything |
| 12:54.11 | jetscreamer | actually #grub just takes a while |
| 12:54.17 | mizer | i have only "exec xmms" in my .xsession file |
| 12:54.22 | jetscreamer | helps if you wait till the devs wake up |
| 12:54.25 | mizer | and it`s not starting :( |
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| 12:56.07 | roxy_ | jetscreamer: had the same problem yesterdy, I had to rebuilt my system. A guy in #grub couldn't help me. |
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| 13:00.39 | ScatterBrain | Is there a way to control the order in which modules load in the initrd? |
| 13:00.40 | mizer | i don`t know, i restarted gdm and Xorg and the apps i putted in .xsession in my home dir are not launching |
| 13:01.06 | jetscreamer | ScatterBrain: yes. you use some kind of initrd rules when you mkinitrd |
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| 13:01.29 | jetscreamer | ScatterBrain: i'm not up on it but iirc there is a section on it in.... |
| 13:01.37 | sales | woot debian |
| 13:01.51 | sales | :D |
| 13:01.56 | waiting | :) |
| 13:02.01 | jetscreamer | in... i forget |
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| 13:02.37 | sales | im trying too build a apache server with as many languages i can think of |
| 13:02.50 | sales | ive got all the usuals, and frontpage, ruby on rails, php5 |
| 13:03.01 | waiting | sales: ah ... "programming" languages |
| 13:03.05 | waiting | sales: ,-) |
| 13:03.14 | sales | yeah |
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| 13:03.27 | sales | so i can offer alot if i sell it :) |
| 13:03.30 | waiting | sales: is ruby on rails good? I heard ppl call it a java competitor |
| 13:03.34 | mwe | is there a package that provides a basic gnome system without tons of extra crap? |
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| 13:03.45 | sales | yeah, im gonna provide support for it for me hosting project |
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| 13:03.54 | jetscreamer | ScatterBrain: /etc/mkinitrd iirc |
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| 13:04.17 | waiting | sales: this tech forum guy said it's what J2EE promised to be (but never was) |
| 13:04.18 | sales | i heard there is a asp.net framework support now for linux |
| 13:04.24 | ktwilight | no python? |
| 13:04.27 | waiting | sales: true |
| 13:04.35 | sales | on suse? |
| 13:04.38 | sales | waiting |
| 13:04.44 | sales | ktwilight: thx ill add too list |
| 13:04.50 | waiting | sales: if I remember correctly, it's a python thing |
| 13:05.20 | orlowsks | I did an install of etch. Using gnome when i leave the workstation for the night and come back in the morning it is locked up. Is there a problem with gnome. Doesn't happen with kde. Any ideas? |
| 13:05.23 | jetscreamer | sales: mono iirc |
| 13:05.24 | mizer | mc |
| 13:05.26 | waiting | there's tons of win stuff in python lately |
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| 13:05.50 | sales | :o ill check out python, so your saying it may have asp suppot> |
| 13:05.54 | sales | support* |
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| 13:06.07 | waiting | I check, lemme see |
| 13:06.10 | ktwilight | orlowsks, what do you mean "locked up"? |
| 13:06.10 | ktwilight | asp and python are two different things, afaik |
| 13:06.17 | sales | yeah |
| 13:06.47 | waiting | yeah maybe I mistook it with the recent more general .net messaging stuff in the python win32 api |
| 13:07.24 | orlowsks | well you cannot do anything. The time is stuck at like 5:11 am when its 8:00. |
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| 13:08.12 | ktwilight | orlowsks, are you able to boot into gnome? |
| 13:08.28 | waiting | sales: sorry, wrong information on my behalf |
| 13:08.46 | orlowsks | yeh after resetting the workstation |
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| 13:09.09 | sales | waiting, np |
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| 13:09.29 | sales | is tomcat = phython? |
| 13:09.41 | orlowsks | I usally leave it logged in |
| 13:09.45 | jetscreamer | i thinik it's java |
| 13:10.19 | dimir | tomcat is java, yep. |
| 13:10.28 | sales | ok so my list is: php4, 5, tomcat, phython, ruby, |
| 13:10.31 | sales | what about vbs |
| 13:10.34 | ktwilight | tomcat is java |
| 13:10.35 | orlowsks | Should i uninstall java |
| 13:10.43 | waiting | sales: ah now I recall. ASP is in ActivePython, but that is for win32 (at least I think so) |
| 13:10.59 | sales | waiting: thanks ill look into that |
| 13:11.24 | ktwilight | orlowsks, no ide really, maybe #gnome may be of better help? |
| 13:11.55 | waiting | sales: here's an example: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/ActivePython/2.4/pywin32/ASP_and_Python.html |
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| 13:12.20 | waiting | but you see, its win32 only :S |
| 13:12.24 | sales | thanks, looks good, ill scope it out, |
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| 13:12.35 | sales | does tomcat look after vbs? |
| 13:12.48 | scandrou | Eulex, shining' still only ???????? |
| 13:13.02 | sales | vbs = virtual basic scripting |
| 13:13.15 | scandrou | I am using unstable, so no base-config |
| 13:13.23 | waiting | "virtual basic" roxx ;:D |
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| 13:13.51 | insomniac_cro | hello |
| 13:14.10 | sales | insomniac_cro hi |
| 13:14.21 | Eulex | scandrou, well, what language did you select? have you got fonts for it? what terminal/console are you using? |
| 13:14.42 | scandrou | Eulex: I selected en US |
| 13:14.58 | Eulex | scandrou, oh, ok. what does echo $LANG say? |
| 13:15.00 | scandrou | Eulex: using konsole |
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| 13:15.43 | Eulex | scandrou, and what does echo $LANGUAGE say? |
| 13:15.57 | scandrou | Eulex: en_US |
| 13:16.27 | shining | huh I'm missing something |
| 13:16.34 | shining | what exactly can't you display ? |
| 13:16.35 | scandrou | Eulex: sorry ja_JP:ja:en_GB:en |
| 13:16.46 | shining | ... |
| 13:16.48 | insomniac_cro | i have problem with grub, it can't create right device.map from my BIOS :( |
| 13:16.58 | scandrou | shining: everything in console |
| 13:17.22 | Eulex | scandrou, well, that's the problem. I don't know why it set it to that, but try doing export LANGUAGE=en_US:en |
| 13:17.42 | shining | scandrou: english characters ? |
| 13:17.56 | insomniac_cro | i tried with: grub-install --no-floppy hd300 (3000 is not a mistake) |
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| 13:18.07 | scandrou | Eulex: working, thanks |
| 13:18.36 | Eulex | scandrou, nice :) no idea why it set it to ja_JP:ja:en_GB:en, though. |
| 13:18.43 | insomniac_cro | it crates device.map but it is not like as in BIOS :(( |
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| 13:19.27 | Eulex | scandrou, you could put export LANGUAGE=en_US:en in your ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile to set it everytime you log in. |
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| 13:20.02 | jetscreamer | insomniac_cro: how many ide/sata controllers |
| 13:20.25 | jetscreamer | and welcome to the joys of multiboot |
| 13:20.54 | insomniac_cro | i have 2 sata and i pata disk |
| 13:21.36 | insomniac_cro | mainboard is Intel 865 I think |
| 13:21.45 | perlmonkey | does Debian support Klingon language? |
| 13:21.59 | scandrou | Eulex: it is a japanese pc. I tried to be able to input kanji without success yet. Probably fucked up somwhere in the process |
| 13:21.59 | Eulex | lol |
| 13:22.00 | dondelelcaro | perlmonkey: if you've got the fonts and UTF8 does, sure. |
| 13:22.04 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 13:22.32 | dondelelcaro | although, you'll probably have better luck with esparanto |
| 13:22.51 | Eulex | perlmonkey, you'd probably have to define your own locale and your own x keymap, though :) |
| 13:22.58 | scandrou | dondelelcaro: more people speak klingon |
| 13:23.00 | Eulex | scandrou, ok |
| 13:23.04 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 13:24.39 | perlmonkey | nearly time for a cup of tea |
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| 13:24.58 | blondie | O.O |
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| 13:25.59 | roxy_ | how can I know the version of a module ? |
| 13:26.27 | roxy_ | knowing that modinfo pwc doesn't say anything about version |
| 13:26.28 | ktwilight | modinfo |
| 13:26.29 | ktwilight | :) |
| 13:26.31 | ktwilight | oh |
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| 13:27.11 | roxy_ | ktwilight: I should have put everything in 1 sentence |
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| 13:34.38 | cahoot_ | roxy_: could it be that one needs modversions enbaled to get that info? |
| 13:35.22 | roxy_ | cahoot_: how do I enable modversion ? |
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| 13:36.14 | cahoot_ | roxy_: that's an option when compiling a kernel |
| 13:37.12 | Nei | hi. got a little noob question here, how do I find out why apt(itude) wants to upgrade a certain package and how do I fix that? for instance my aptitude wants to update my mplayer 1.0.1svn to 1.0-pre8 (got the debianmultimedia repo added), but my personal logic would suggest that 1.0.1>1.0-pre8 |
| 13:37.46 | roxy_ | I got debian kernel: Linux home 2.6.17-1-486 . Well, I'll do without version then, I don't feel like recompiling |
| 13:39.22 | Piet | Nei: if you want to keep this package version, then put it on hold. |
| 13:39.37 | RichiH | Nei: bad naming by the package maintainer |
| 13:39.55 | Nei | Piet, yes that would be a dirty fix |
| 13:40.32 | Piet | Nei: ok, convince the package maintainer to rename the package then ;) |
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| 13:40.45 | Nei | RichiH, mhm I see. |
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| 13:41.47 | Nei | RichiH, got a document handy for me wrt package naming? |
| 13:41.58 | RichiH | !nm |
| 13:41.59 | dpkg | nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 13:42.18 | RichiH | the docs on that page list steps to guard against this happening |
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| 13:42.59 | AciD_w | hi |
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| 13:44.02 | Nei | thanks |
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| 13:44.47 | xpato | hi, how can i know how much lease time the dhcp server give me? |
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| 13:45.53 | AciD_w | re |
| 13:45.57 | jpinto | Hi, how can i put more then one user or group in /etc/group ? like this: my_group:x:120:user1 user2 group1 |
| 13:46.09 | AciD_w | I'm on a laptop with an ati) : suspend2, fglrx, xen?, anything else ? |
| 13:46.24 | AciD_w | damn cgi:irc client :| |
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| 13:46.45 | Nei | jpinto, adduser username groupname |
| 13:47.06 | jpinto | Nei: can't i just edit /etc/group and run update-passwd? |
| 13:47.21 | AciD_w | so basically I was saying : my last debian died, I need to re-install from scratch, what component/features should I think about ? |
| 13:47.36 | AciD_w | stuff like suspend2, xen, etc.. |
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| 13:48.11 | Nei | jpinto, maybe you can but adduser is way easier, faster |
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| 13:49.35 | jpinto | Nei: thanks, just found out it's with commas, so i can just put "my_group:x:120:user1,user2,group1", and then run update-passwd, thanks |
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| 13:49.53 | twirl83 | howcome $HOME variable in .procmailrc is different than the one in the shell |
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| 14:10.18 | xpato | hi, how can i know how much lease time the dhcp server give me? |
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| 14:13.56 | abrotman | xpato: man dhclient maybe? |
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| 14:17.56 | cr3 | if anyone happened to have installed the slapd package, how can I authenticate against it for ldapsearch commands? |
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| 14:21.48 | Ronin | nice of them to wait |
| 14:22.44 | susman | what iso should i use to install an unstable debian system from network? |
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| 14:26.17 | Ronin | susman: i dont believe theres a sid iso, you normally install stable or testing then change your sources list and cross your fingers |
| 14:26.33 | susman | wheres the testing iso then? |
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| 14:26.51 | pngwn | susman, debian.org/CD |
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| 14:27.23 | Ronin | debian.org |
| 14:27.30 | susman | doesnt debian-stable have packages from last decade? |
| 14:27.40 | Ronin | susman: no |
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| 14:28.05 | harleyg | msg\ nickserv identify boobskickass |
| 14:28.07 | harleyg | shit.. |
| 14:28.12 | blondie | :D |
| 14:28.18 | Ronin | sweet :) |
| 14:28.21 | harleyg | haha. |
| 14:28.39 | harleyg | fooled j00 noobs. |
| 14:28.41 | harleyg | chow |
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| 14:28.57 | Ronin | ohya you got us good eh |
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| 14:29.05 | roby_ | I want to backup my music DVDs to my new set of dual layor dvd-r, by what simple means do I get exact duplicates? |
| 14:29.45 | roby_ | How about: dd if=/dev/hdc of=mydvd.iso |
| 14:29.48 | roby_ | and then burn the iso? |
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| 14:30.01 | linux2 | can someone help me fix acpi? |
| 14:30.12 | linux2 | well more my snaptics touchpad |
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| 14:30.25 | linux2 | psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
| 14:30.25 | linux2 | psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 - driver resynched. |
| 14:31.11 | schwuk | Is there any way to tell apt-get that you want the -dev packages installed for what you're installing |
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| 14:31.44 | stew | schwuk: maybe. what are you doing? |
| 14:32.44 | roby_ | I want to backup my music DVDs to my new set of dual layor dvd-r, by what simple means do I get exact duplicates? |
| 14:32.52 | roby_ | How about: dd if=/dev/hdc of=mydvd.iso |
| 14:33.04 | roby_ | and then burn the iso? |
| 14:34.10 | roby_ | oops sorry |
| 14:34.16 | roby_ | i thought i was in ##linux for the 2nd time i asked |
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| 14:34.35 | schwuk | stew: settle an argument :) |
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| 14:35.10 | babo | my root prompt can't connect to my X server ... |
| 14:35.14 | schwuk | stew: I wondered if there was a global "this is a development machine" flag |
| 14:35.20 | babo | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 14:36.18 | RichiH | !marillat |
| 14:36.19 | dpkg | marillat is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 14:36.29 | RichiH | ah, that explains a lot :) |
| 14:36.41 | stew | schwuk: no, but for any package you can "apt-get -b install packagename" which will download the source, the -dev libs required for building, and actually build it. or "apt-get build-dep packagename" will install just the packages needed for compiling packagename, or /msg dpkg apt-build |
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| 14:40.12 | insomniac_cro | yo, men! i was asking this before, but I haven't solved the problem. GRUB does not recognize which hard disk is first to boot in BIOS (e.g. does not generate right device.map) |
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| 14:41.47 | rob-84x^ | anyone here running sarge-amd64 on an Intel EM64T cpu (Xeon) on a production server? |
| 14:42.38 | abrotman | i wish ... |
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| 14:43.22 | rob-84x^ | is it worth trying on a production server? or should i better stay with generic sarge i386? |
| 14:43.54 | abrotman | rob-84x^: do you understand the implications of using amd64 and why you might not want to? and also the benefits? |
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| 14:45.24 | rob-84x^ | abrotman: well, Debian-amd64 is still unofficial, and reliability is the most important for me here. |
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| 14:46.36 | mindbob | Hello guys, does anyone in here use the Alcatel Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL Modem under debian? |
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| 14:47.53 | schwuk | stew: Not quite what I need |
| 14:48.45 | schwuk | Example: Installing certain Ruby gems requires ruby-dev - it would be nice if ruby-dev and build-essential were installed automatically when I installed ruby |
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| 14:51.36 | petemc | schwuk: that assuming everyone that installs ruby wants to use ruby gems |
| 14:51.40 | petemc | thats |
| 14:52.18 | shining | mindbob: ask google.. |
| 14:52.37 | mindbob | i am |
| 14:52.46 | stew | schwuk: you are talking about ruby gems that are not packaged for debian? |
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| 14:53.42 | schwuk | petemc: that was just an example - it would just be nice if -dev packages were installed automatically when you install the package (if you indicate that is what you want) |
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| 14:53.55 | shining | mindbob: I used a similar modem a few years ago, it was a pita to set up, but possible. |
| 14:54.06 | schwuk | stew: yes. The specific example is Mongrel |
| 14:54.13 | shining | though, it made me love ethernet modems |
| 14:54.23 | mindbob | shining, yeah i know, i've run it in openbsd for the past 2 years or so. |
| 14:54.33 | schwuk | mindbob: can't comment on debian, but I'm using that modem on my IPCop box |
| 14:54.36 | mindbob | but bsd has crappy drivers for it, making it disconnect say once a month |
| 14:54.55 | mindbob | schwuk, know of a linux website about it where i can grab the drivers etc? |
| 14:55.03 | mindbob | like the latest ones |
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| 14:55.10 | mindbob | google just shows up the old ones |
| 14:55.14 | shining | once a month is crap ? |
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| 14:55.40 | shining | my adsl line is disconnected every 24 hours, but that's a *feature* :) |
| 14:55.45 | mindbob | damn man |
| 14:55.46 | mindbob | that sucks |
| 14:55.49 | mindbob | get a new isp =p |
| 14:56.09 | shining | well, I don't care that much, it reconnects automatically after a few sec |
| 14:56.12 | SeicherlBoB | sorry, stupid question: The actual stable is still sarge? |
| 14:56.20 | Arafangion | Yes |
| 14:56.41 | SeicherlBoB | thanks. When will a new stable be released? |
| 14:57.09 | schwuk | mindbob: not sure about the drivers, but I got the firmware from the thomsonspeedtouch website |
| 14:57.16 | Ronin | SeicherlBoB: wir, siyh :) |
| 14:57.17 | mindbob | hrm ok |
| 14:57.31 | SeicherlBoB | Ronin: what?! |
| 14:57.53 | Ronin | SeicherlBoB: when its ready, sooner if you help :) i think theres a guesstimeate release date but im not positive |
| 14:57.57 | schwuk | mindbob: http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:58.12 | mindbob | those are the sf drivers, they are crappy... |
| 14:58.17 | mindbob | im looking for the others |
| 14:58.26 | SeicherlBoB | Ronin: ok. thanks ;) |
| 14:58.29 | schwuk | mindbob: http://www.speedtouch.com/driver_upgrade_lx_3.0.1.2.htm |
| 14:58.39 | mindbob | aha |
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| 15:05.18 | Tires | hello |
| 15:05.22 | Tires | can i got help |
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| 15:06.07 | Tires | hello |
| 15:06.07 | Tires | ? |
| 15:06.55 | petemc | if you ask a proper question you may get help |
| 15:09.13 | Tires | Setting up base-files (3.1.10) ... |
| 15:09.14 | Tires | /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst: line 97: 18542 Segmentation fault chown root:utmp /var/run/utmp /var/log/wtmp /var/log/btmp /var/log/lastlog |
| 15:09.14 | Tires | dpkg: error processing base-files (--configure): |
| 15:09.14 | Tires | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.05 | M4DM4X | hi all |
| 15:10.08 | Tires | it's the problem :\ |
| 15:10.15 | M4DM4X | i want to install a new package |
| 15:10.17 | Tires | and i can't do ls |
| 15:10.18 | M4DM4X | with apt-get |
| 15:10.36 | Tires | M4DM4X apt-get install pkgname |
| 15:10.42 | M4DM4X | i want to know if exist a command for seeing the version of the package i want to install |
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| 15:10.57 | Knorrie | hm |
| 15:11.00 | petemc | M4DM4X: man apt-cache |
| 15:11.35 | Tires | petemc: i can't do ls or dir why ? |
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| 15:12.10 | Tires | DaRKiY:~# ls |
| 15:12.10 | Tires | Segmentation fault |
| 15:12.28 | M4DM4X | apt-cache showpkg packageName |
| 15:12.30 | M4DM4X | COOL ! |
| 15:12.31 | Gathond | Tires: rootkit gone bad perhaps, or a horribly broken libc probably |
| 15:12.35 | M4DM4X | thx |
| 15:12.50 | Tires | Gathond and how i can fix ? |
| 15:13.15 | Gathond | Tires: depends on which, if its the rootkit wipe the installation, reinstall and restore from backup |
| 15:13.41 | Gathond | if its libc you might be able to save it using a liveCD, provided you know you way around your system well |
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| 15:14.14 | M4DM4X | ++ |
| 15:14.24 | Gathond | might be other issues though, broken memory for one, although I would expect the errors to be random then |
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| 15:14.43 | Tires | Gathond then how i can got backup of the files ? |
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| 15:15.12 | Gathond | Tires: I would hope you already have one |
| 15:15.21 | gnuzi|afk | i have files on a cd...some of them are all capital letters...in windoz it shows properly...but in linux bash it shows all small letter... |
| 15:15.26 | Gathond | else you might be able to use a liveCD to copy them |
| 15:15.35 | gnuzi|afk | how can i fix that? |
| 15:15.48 | gnuzi | any1? |
| 15:15.50 | Tires | any way else ? |
| 15:16.01 | Tires | cause its root server |
| 15:16.06 | Tires | not my home PC |
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| 15:16.20 | gnuzi | telnet.. |
| 15:16.29 | gnuzi | tried that? |
| 15:16.45 | gnuzi | i have files on a cd...some of them are all capital letters...in windoz it shows properly...but in linux bash it shows all small letter... |
| 15:16.59 | gnuzi | how can i fix that? |
| 15:17.12 | gnuzi | i cant install xfree86... :( |
| 15:17.27 | gnuzi | coz of file names not showing properly |
| 15:17.48 | gnuzi | shit...should i enable udf file format in kernel?? |
| 15:17.49 | Nei | why not instal it from internet |
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| 15:18.06 | gnuzi | coz internet sux sin few days and next somedays... |
| 15:18.10 | gnuzi | too slow... |
| 15:18.14 | abrotman | rob-84x^: sarge is unofficial for amd64 .. but the security support is there |
| 15:18.33 | gnuzi | any1?... :( |
| 15:18.41 | Nei | but if the casing on the cd is wrong you have either screwed up writing the cd (did you perhaps copy the files with a windows app to it instead of just writing out an iso?) |
| 15:18.56 | gnuzi | no no...it is correct on the cd |
| 15:18.58 | Nei | or you are using the wrong filesystem to mount the disc |
| 15:19.18 | gnuzi | i just mount /dev/hdb /mnt/cdrom |
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| 15:19.53 | Gathond | or your kernel has real iso9660 support not any of the extensions allowing larger than 8.3 filenames and such |
| 15:20.08 | gnuzi | ic... |
| 15:20.15 | scandrou | I got linux-wlan-ng-source but no doc came with it :-( |
| 15:20.16 | Nei | maybe you missed outon joliet or whatever you wrote your disc in |
| 15:20.19 | gnuzi | i will try to recompile kernel with more file fmts... |
| 15:20.34 | gnuzi | Nei...on windows it shows fine... |
| 15:20.38 | Gathond | gnuzi: I think its suboptions to iso9660 |
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| 15:20.48 | gnuzi | ok...ty... |
| 15:20.52 | Nei | gnuzi, noone cares about windows |
| 15:20.55 | gnuzi | going to try something... |
| 15:20.59 | gnuzi | me niether... |
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| 15:21.06 | gnuzi | =) |
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| 15:23.33 | Tires | me have root server , ls , dir commands not work plz help to fix it:( |
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| 15:24.16 | petemc | Tires: you had a few suggestions, its probably not going to be too straight forward to fix it |
| 15:24.17 | Arafangion | Tires: What is your native language? |
| 15:24.49 | Tires | Arafangion arabic :\ |
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| 15:24.55 | Skype | hi |
| 15:25.34 | Arafangion | Tires: I was going to suggest a particular channel - such as #debian-fr if you were french... But arabic is going to be tough! |
| 15:25.49 | Skype | someone know how to back to lib 32 bit in debian 3.1? i´m using a system with lib 64 |
| 15:25.58 | Skype | i have some problems with it |
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| 15:26.20 | abrotman | reinstall |
| 15:26.25 | abrotman | or use a chroot |
| 15:27.18 | thefish | my computer is melting! software fix?! |
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| 15:28.11 | section31 | Is there anyway i can see a list of installed packages that I made using apt-get? |
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| 15:28.19 | petemc | section31: dpkg -l |
| 15:28.36 | section31 | petemc, a |
| 15:28.37 | section31 | ah |
| 15:28.38 | section31 | thanks |
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| 15:29.42 | Skype | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:30.26 | Skype | i guess there are a way of install os via remote? removing swap for temp partition etc |
| 15:30.26 | Skype | right? |
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| 15:43.26 | scandrou | the command: m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng-source ask me to install: linux-headers-2.6.15-1-486 but apt-cache search cannot find it |
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| 15:44.58 | Serinity | Anyone got a link about some documentation for PAM auth by querying an LDAP server ? |
| 15:44.59 | enouf | !dhcpcd |
| 15:45.00 | dpkg | it has been said that dhcpcd is at http://www.phystech.com/download/ (DHCP client daemon for Linux Kernels 2.1.x) or will not work with 2.0.x kernels; try dhcp or upgrade kernels or ask apt about 2.2.x or "i know how to spell dhcpcd i just don't know when to stop", or hopelessly buggy crap, try dhcp-client if it doesn't work |
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| 15:46.49 | Serinity | nevermind, i found in debian reference |
| 15:46.55 | enouf | !if-pre-up.d |
| 15:47.31 | blondie | !pebkac |
| 15:47.31 | dpkg | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 15:49.37 | syntaxx | do i need to apt-get upgrade after i download xorg and kde from backports? |
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| 15:53.15 | Serinity | !pam |
| 15:53.16 | dpkg | i heard pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
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| 15:55.36 | Nei | syntaxx, rather than 'downloading' xorg from backports, you should probably add it to your sources.list |
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| 15:57.29 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 15:58.23 | uf1 | Can anyone point me to any repository for Debian Etch for PPC? |
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| 16:03.16 | Nei | uf1, try the website ;p? |
| 16:03.29 | Fare | ouch, I mistakenly used unstable instead of testing, and now I'm stuck with the following error. How do I get out? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mesa-common-dev_6.4.2-1_all.deb (--unpack): |
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| 16:04.11 | Fare | even if I try to remove the package and install testing versions of all the things apt-get complains about, I still get the same error |
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| 16:08.21 | Serinity | I need a kind of replicating file system.... Something like if i write a file, it'll write it to a bunch of different places on different computers at the same time (as much computers as i want in my setup) Any idea ? (Has to be free in both sense) |
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| 16:10.06 | vorsprung | Serinity, rsync + cron |
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| 16:10.34 | Serinity | no |
| 16:10.38 | Serinity | I want it in real time |
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| 16:10.46 | Serinity | not a scheduled thing |
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| 16:11.23 | Serinity | most likely something i'll find in /dev/or so, like drdb but i don't want something at this level |
| 16:11.26 | moose | I'm trying to access /dev/lp0, but it's giving me an "Invalid Argument" error. How do I fix tihs? |
| 16:11.49 | moose | I'm using cat |
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| 16:16.45 | greap_ | how can I set the default dns server for debian. |
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| 16:17.27 | dst_ | A few days ago I upgraded udev my Sarge system to the latest version from backports.org. Now my two sound devices are permanently swapped. One is an emu10k device, which should be the first one and the other is an usb headset which should be the second one. How can I force the old device order? |
| 16:18.01 | stew | dst_: list the drivers in /etc/modules in the order you want them |
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| 16:18.46 | dst_ | stew: I tried that. The modules in /etc/modules are loaded after udev/hotplug loads the drivers. |
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| 16:19.04 | nakeee | is there xorg 7.1 for debian? |
| 16:19.10 | stew | nakeee: not yet |
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| 16:19.32 | cr3 | how can I extract the postinst script to stdout from a dpkg file? |
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| 16:19.58 | nima | rev is officially the most evil program ever |
| 16:20.19 | Ronin | nima: i thought that was office? |
| 16:20.32 | scandrou | I am trying to set up wifi on my laptop via a pcmcia card. I installed m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng-source. What is the next step ? |
| 16:20.36 | nima | Ronin, do rev [filename] |
| 16:20.38 | stew | cr3: "dpkg -e" will let you extract all the control files, i dunno if there is a way to get just the one |
| 16:20.58 | nima | Ronin, then try to read the output |
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| 16:21.29 | mtomczak | Greetings all! I have a subversion repository setup as accessible via authenticated HTTP. Everything seems to work except locking; every time I try to lock a file, I get a "405" error from the HTTP server. Does anyone know why that method would not be allowed? |
| 16:22.18 | stew | scandrou: that should have installed a package named something like linux-wlan-modules-$(uname -r) ; "dpkg -L packagename | grep ko" will list the kenrel modules in that package, you need to "modprobe modulename" for the module for your card, which probably just means finding the xxx_pci module if your card is pci or _cs if its pcmcia, etc |
| 16:22.21 | nima | it screws me up |
| 16:22.26 | scandrou | mtomczak: -> #svn ? |
| 16:22.31 | stew | scandrou: then install wireless-tools, and man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 16:22.45 | scandrou | stew: thanks |
| 16:23.00 | mtomczak | scandrou: Thanks, I'll ask there as well. |
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| 16:28.01 | scandrou | mtomczak: you could also check the permission on the dir with the lock |
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| 16:30.09 | mtomczak | scandrou: Some are owned by root, but all are in group www-data |
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| 16:32.26 | mtomczak | scandrou: Mostly, I think it's an issue with the apache conf. I can't figure out how one would allow LOCK requests; I thought they would be allowed by default. |
| 16:32.29 | scandrou | mtomczak: I had trouble once with the execute digit of group' is it: is it x,s or S ? |
| 16:32.48 | jetscreamer | x |
| 16:32.59 | scandrou | mtomczak: if it is apache, I dunno :-) |
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| 16:35.41 | dstar_ | Does anyone know of a program to do paragraph-level diffs of text files? |
| 16:35.45 | scandrou | jetscreamer: it can be x,s or S. It has diferent meaning |
| 16:36.26 | mtomczak | scandrou: All appear to be 'x'. |
| 16:36.39 | dstar_ | I could probably write one, but why re-invent the wheel |
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| 16:37.01 | mtomczak | Also, there's nothing in the apache error file, which suggests to me that it's "legitimately" disallowing the LOCK request as an improper operation. |
| 16:37.18 | dstar_ | unfortunately, apt-search diff is... unhelpful. |
| 16:37.49 | jetscreamer | s or S is suid, i forget which is |
| 16:37.54 | jetscreamer | man chmod or chown |
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| 16:42.02 | mtomczak | scandrou: Figured it out... I'm on the stable branch. SVN didn't acquire file locking until version 1.2; the head of stable appears to be version 1.1.4. |
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| 16:42.56 | scandrou | mtomczak: good to know :-) |
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| 16:44.31 | jade | ps field WCHAN says flock, anyone know what that means? file lock maybe? |
| 16:44.47 | blondie | a flock of pigeons |
| 16:44.57 | scandrou | stew: I don't have a *cs |
| 16:45.38 | stew | scandrou: your card is pcmci? |
| 16:45.43 | blondie | !2.6.15 sarge |
| 16:45.44 | gnuzi | where are the shared libraries are located in linux?.../usr/lib or /lib ? |
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| 16:46.20 | scandrou | stew: yes |
| 16:46.33 | stew | gnuzi: both, in general, they are in /usr/lib unless they are needed before /usr is mounted |
| 16:46.48 | gnuzi | ok |
| 16:47.02 | scandrou | stew: linksyswpc11. I checked on the net and it says wlan-ng driver |
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| 16:47.31 | gnuzi | just compiled xfree86...now configuring...its says that it cant load zlib.so.1 and it cant find it...i just installed them... |
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| 16:47.47 | stew | scandrou: dunno its been a long time since i've used wlan-ng, is there a _cb? try a generic one and check dmesg? try them all? |
| 16:47.51 | gnuzi | the output lib is called libz.a ? |
| 16:48.18 | stew | gnuzi: why on earth would you comile xfree? |
| 16:48.33 | gnuzi | i am installing core... |
| 16:48.41 | gnuzi | trying to learn.. =) |
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| 16:50.33 | shining | when is kernel-package going to be upgraded ? |
| 16:51.00 | stew | gnuzi: "apt-get build-dep xserver-xfree86" should install whatever is needed. i dunno why you'd want to build xfree yourself though |
| 16:51.29 | stew | shining: what do you mean exactly? what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:51.33 | scandrou | gnuzi: if you want to learn it would probably be easier to do a LFS than mixing debian and home made |
| 16:51.59 | shining | stew: there is a pending version of kernel-package, but it's not there yet |
| 16:52.11 | lunitik | Maybe thats just me though? |
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| 16:53.18 | shining | I wonder what I prefer between that and waiting for ages that a patch gets applied |
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| 16:54.22 | Rene_d | How do I remove a corrupt package from my system? (The pre removal script fails) |
| 16:54.44 | lunitik | Rene_d: reinstall and remove |
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| 16:55.12 | PepperBob | hey people! |
| 16:55.16 | Rene_d | The package no longer exists, I can't reinstall. The package was a pre-dev package. |
| 16:55.38 | abrotman | fix the prerm script |
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| 16:55.53 | PepperBob | today i had a discussion at work about setting up a linux box providing some basic services in a windows 2003 server domain. |
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| 16:56.02 | Rene_d | Will an empty script be ok here? |
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| 16:56.09 | abrotman | depends what's in it |
| 16:56.13 | abrotman | and which package it is |
| 16:56.15 | PepperBob | and someone said that there will be problems when the 2003 server runs in "native mode". |
| 16:56.26 | PepperBob | does anyone know what that means? |
| 16:56.29 | Serinity | Rene_d, What error it shows ? |
| 16:56.31 | abrotman | you want to use the 2k3 to auth the debian box ? |
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| 16:56.57 | PepperBob | abrotman: that's not nessesary |
| 16:56.58 | Rene_d | The script fails with error code 1. No specific error message. |
| 16:57.07 | gnuzi | stew...i am not using debian...and i just fixed the problem.. :D |
| 16:57.10 | gnuzi | ty |
| 16:57.15 | Fare | Serinity, I've heard you could do things like that with the virtual block device layer |
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| 16:57.30 | PepperBob | abrotman: i just need to access shares |
| 16:57.32 | abrotman | PepperBob: so what are oyu actually trying to do? |
| 16:57.36 | lunitik | gnuzi: why are you in #debian if you're not using Debian? :/ |
| 16:57.47 | abrotman | PepperBob: eh .. ok .. what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:58.07 | PepperBob | abrotman: the only thing i'll have to do is accessing shares putting data there. that's it. it's just a database server and apache |
| 16:58.12 | Fare | how do I fix a file conflict between xlibmesa-gl-dev and xlibosmesa-dev ? |
| 16:58.21 | stew | gnuzi: you shouldn't be asking for help here then |
| 16:58.22 | PepperBob | abrotman: shares on the w2k3 server |
| 16:59.05 | PepperBob | abrotman: i need that for backup stuff. |
| 16:59.10 | gnuzi | coz u guys help.. :D |
| 16:59.11 | lunitik | PepperBob: smbclient will allow for that... not exactly complicated... its designed to fit into an AD domain |
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| 16:59.22 | Ronin | stew: cause they cant read |
| 16:59.26 | gnuzi | and i was using debian...now i thought to try CORE |
| 16:59.47 | lunitik | gnuzi: nothing we said actually would help you on another distro, but ok |
| 16:59.47 | PepperBob | lunitik: i got samba working very well with the help of cifs. this is perfectly. i just was curious about the "native mode" |
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| 16:59.50 | PepperBob | whatever that is... |
| 17:00.00 | gnuzi | it gave me clues |
| 17:00.11 | gnuzi | i am not noob...nor 1337 |
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| 17:00.37 | stew | gnuzi: your questions are off-topic here, however |
| 17:00.37 | lunitik | PepperBob: no idea what they meant... they likely were just trying to bullshit so you'd think it'd be a bad idea |
| 17:00.47 | gnuzi | ok..nvm |
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| 17:00.56 | dst_ | stew: Regarding the sound device order: Problem solved by putting "options snd-emu10k index=0" and "options snd-usb-audio index=1" into /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. |
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| 17:01.12 | PepperBob | lunitik: that's exactly what they tried to do... but i am absolutely convinced that the debian will fit into this win2k3 domain perfectly... |
| 17:01.17 | stew | dst_: ahh ok. coo |
| 17:01.20 | stew | l |
| 17:01.28 | abrotman | PepperBob: you want to access the win2k3 box from Debian ? or the other way around ? |
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| 17:01.52 | lunitik | PepperBob: there is no reason why it shouldn't... with Samba, everything else should be standards complient |
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| 17:02.05 | lunitik | compliant* |
| 17:02.07 | PepperBob | abrotman: both. my desktop pc is a win xp. so that's why i need to access my server. and the server needs to access the shares for backup stuff. |
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| 17:02.45 | abrotman | PepperBob: if you make an anonymous share with samba on the debian box .. you should be able to access it from any machine |
| 17:02.57 | PepperBob | lunitik: thanks for the info. the testing machine at work runs smoothly and was setup quicker and more stable than any windows - as expected... |
| 17:02.59 | abrotman | PepperBob: you can also ask #samba |
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| 17:03.51 | aurel | I have a segmentation fault on a apt-get update do you have an idea ? |
| 17:03.58 | PepperBob | abrotman: at the moment it's working very well on the testing machine. i was just a bit curious on this native mode thing... |
| 17:04.04 | simonrvn | !tell aurel about ask |
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| 17:04.09 | simonrvn | !tell aurel about smart questions |
| 17:04.30 | PepperBob | abrotman: i guess it was bullshit.. samba even handles digital signing of the w2k3 machines... |
| 17:04.39 | abrotman | PepperBob: you'd want to ask #samba about that .. they should know more |
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| 17:04.53 | simonrvn | i would hope so... =) |
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| 17:05.00 | PepperBob | abrotman: tried that... noone there at the moment ;) but thanks! |
| 17:05.12 | abrotman | PepperBob: be patient .. they sleep *a lot* :) |
| 17:05.39 | aurel | ? apt-get update don't works and ended by a segementation fault, sources.list seems to be ok |
| 17:05.40 | simonrvn | *snore* *whistle* *snore* *whistle* *snore* *whistle* |
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| 17:05.54 | abrotman | aurel: paste the error |
| 17:05.55 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:05.55 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:05.55 | PepperBob | abrotman: of course i will :) |
| 17:06.05 | Luke-Jr | How do I disable a service? |
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| 17:06.15 | abrotman | Luke-Jr: man update-rc.d |
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| 17:07.13 | PepperBob | uh another thing.. has anyone experience with HP Proliant series and linux? shouldn't be the worst choice... |
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| 17:09.10 | Nei | my firefox is soooo sluggish |
| 17:09.23 | Nei | the windows version beats it at least 10 times |
| 17:09.30 | scandrou | I loaded all the wlan modules and remove/inserted my pcmcia card. This dmesg http://pastebin.ca/93632 . Is there anything that says the proper driver is loaded? |
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| 17:09.36 | knoxy | I'm using packages of dotdeb.org.. this is recommended or no? |
| 17:09.43 | Nei | anyone got an idea hw to improve ff performance in my debian linux? |
| 17:09.47 | knoxy | in debian sarge |
| 17:09.52 | Luke-Jr | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:10.03 | Luke-Jr | Nei: no reason to use firefox |
| 17:10.04 | abrotman | PepperBob: should be fine |
| 17:10.13 | PepperBob | abrotman: thx. |
| 17:10.16 | abrotman | nei: you mean to not crash ? |
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| 17:10.29 | Nei | Luke-Jr, what do you mean? |
| 17:10.45 | Nei | abrotman, ff is just very slow.. it hasn't crashed so far |
| 17:10.59 | abrotman | nei: is flash running? |
| 17:11.24 | SN^Vampire | why opera so slow in linux ? In winxp it work more fast... |
| 17:12.17 | Nei | abrotman, nope.. although I have also noticed that it gets even worse when there is any flash :( |
| 17:12.44 | Nei | (at the moment I dont even have the flash plugin but it is still sluggish as hell) |
| 17:12.48 | aurel | http://pastebin.ca/93636 |
| 17:13.03 | abrotman | nei: flash slows FF down *a lot* sometimes |
| 17:13.05 | knoxy | I'm using packages of dotdeb.org.. is it recommended or not? Can it bring me problem with stability? I'm using a debian sarge.. |
| 17:13.19 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 17:13.19 | dpkg | it has been said that sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 17:13.20 | Luke-Jr | Nei: you can use Konqueror |
| 17:13.26 | abrotman | knoxy: use backports.org |
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| 17:13.32 | lunitik | knoxy: backports.org is more recommended than dotdeb.org |
| 17:13.40 | Nei | abrotman, not on windows though. well but still flash isnt the (sole) reason here |
| 17:13.51 | knoxy | abrotman lunitik thanks :) |
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| 17:13.57 | mifritscher | hi |
| 17:13.59 | Nei | Luke-Jr, the hell I'm gonna start a whole kde when I want to browse the web. thanks for your input nonetheless |
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| 17:14.32 | DarkProphet | hey all, anybody know how to generate md5sums for all the files inside a directory without doing them one by one? |
| 17:14.45 | mifritscher | I've got a system-crash using debian sarge-kernel+ sarge fuse + curlftpfs: |
| 17:14.47 | mifritscher | http://rafb.net/paste/results/JLtpkE38.html |
| 17:14.57 | abrotman | DarkProphet: ls -1 | xargs md5sum |
| 17:14.58 | aurel | Why I can't run my apt-get update ? http://pastebin.ca/93636 |
| 17:15.18 | mifritscher | DarkCow, try to use find +md5sum ;) |
| 17:15.24 | Vampire | :D |
| 17:15.28 | DarkProphet | abrotman: well, theres also folders inside the current one that need to be md5sumed too |
| 17:15.31 | PepperBob | aurel: could be anything... |
| 17:15.33 | DarkProphet | any idea how to do that recursively ? |
| 17:15.39 | DarkProphet | or even get ls to do it |
| 17:15.43 | Luke-Jr | Nei: I didn't say start a whole KDE ;) |
| 17:15.43 | abrotman | DarkProphet: then use find |
| 17:15.44 | PepperBob | aurel : my last segmention faults was due to a bad memory. |
| 17:15.50 | Luke-Jr | Nei: kdelibs probably uses less memory than firefox |
| 17:15.57 | Nei | Luke-Jr, thats what will happen though |
| 17:16.02 | Luke-Jr | Nei: and Konqueror is a superior browser |
| 17:16.08 | abrotman | aurel: is it a server? |
| 17:16.09 | aurel | PepperBob, There is lots of RAM and swap free :( |
| 17:16.11 | simonrvn | Nei: your goof was assuming you needed to start up kde to run konqueror |
| 17:16.21 | aurel | abchirk, yes a important server |
| 17:16.23 | PepperBob | aurel: from my experiences: run memtest86+ to check you ram. |
| 17:16.26 | abrotman | aurel: it's not a free RAM issue .. it's a BAD/BROKEN RAM issue |
| 17:16.32 | abchirk | ^^ |
| 17:16.34 | Nei | simonrvn, if I start konqueror it will load a whole load of kde shit |
| 17:16.46 | Nei | just try it in a terminal and watch the messages and time flow by |
| 17:16.48 | abrotman | aurel: you're going to have to shut it down and run memtest for a while .. like .. over night at least |
| 17:16.53 | abrotman | abchirk: beer! |
| 17:16.59 | PepperBob | aurel: well if it hits broken parts you'll get a segmentation fault.. |
| 17:17.01 | abchirk | No today you! :D |
| 17:17.01 | Luke-Jr | Nei: it will load the KDE services, which is just as bad as FireFox loading it's APIs |
| 17:17.02 | aurel | I have only an ssh access ... |
| 17:17.02 | simonrvn | still less virtual memory use than firefox, even with the extra 2 or 3 daemons |
| 17:17.21 | abrotman | or use kde |
| 17:17.26 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: because Konqi is the best browser |
| 17:17.26 | DarkProphet | abrotman: your a star dood! |
| 17:17.27 | lunitik | abrotman: shush |
| 17:17.31 | abrotman | aurel: you might be able to run memtest at the console .. i can't remember |
| 17:17.33 | Nei | I heavily doubts konquerors superiorness |
| 17:17.35 | simonrvn | because in some ways it's better than FF |
| 17:17.35 | abrotman | you're a star dude :) |
| 17:17.37 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: KDE is the best desktop... |
| 17:17.44 | abchirk | But what can we do if the others cannot use the tabcompletition |
| 17:17.45 | Nei | ahahaha |
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| 17:17.56 | simonrvn | completion |
| 17:17.59 | Luke-Jr | Nei: Konqueror was the second browser to pass ACID2, which FF hasn't even yet |
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| 17:18.05 | aurel | abrotman, server must working I can stop it :( |
| 17:18.09 | abrotman | abchirk: the last guy that started with 'ab' stopped coming around :) |
| 17:18.10 | simonrvn | acid2? |
| 17:18.11 | abchirk | okok sorry comming from germany ;) |
| 17:18.13 | cockroach | hmm, how can i clear my kernel's routing cache? |
| 17:18.15 | Nei | well there is no point argueing with kde fanboys |
| 17:18.17 | Luke-Jr | simonrvn: CSS2 test |
| 17:18.22 | abrotman | aurel: is it a webserver for your company? |
| 17:18.26 | simonrvn | abchirk: it's a fairly common error. np :) |
| 17:18.44 | madclicker | anyone knows what CommonSpot is and is there an apache solution? |
| 17:18.51 | simonrvn | aah, it doesn't have css3 support (it will later i saw) |
| 17:18.52 | abrotman | aurel: you can run memtest while the system is running |
| 17:18.55 | aurel | abrotman, no another foreign server not here |
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| 17:19.06 | Luke-Jr | simonrvn: FF doesn't have CSS2 supported fully |
| 17:19.10 | Luke-Jr | 2 comes before 3 |
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| 17:19.24 | simonrvn | i meant konqueror |
| 17:19.25 | lunitik | Nei: not a fan boy... just prefer a functional desktop... |
| 17:19.28 | abrotman | aurel: apt-cache show memtest86 and/or memtest86+ |
| 17:19.37 | Luke-Jr | simonrvn: Konq at least has CSS 2 |
| 17:19.56 | simonrvn | i've run the entire css tests (w3c). konq beat mozilla by a small margin |
| 17:20.02 | aurel | abrotman, ok thanks I will try this way |
| 17:20.07 | Nei | dont lie to yourself guys ;) |
| 17:20.16 | simonrvn | no, i'm completely serious |
| 17:20.21 | Luke-Jr | simonrvn: Mozilla lacks text-shadow! |
| 17:20.23 | aurel | afk |
| 17:20.46 | abchirk | öööööööööö |
| 17:20.46 | simonrvn | i didn't test opera though, or galeon, but galeon uses gecko engine, so it's probably similar or the same |
| 17:20.49 | abchirk | oops |
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| 17:21.16 | lunitik | simonrvn: Konqi beats Opera too |
| 17:21.28 | abrotman | for what? |
| 17:21.32 | simonrvn | though i'm glad both khtml and gecko render html very similarly |
| 17:21.38 | Luke-Jr | abchirk: standards compliance is the topic |
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| 17:21.42 | simonrvn | and rather well, now |
| 17:21.47 | abrotman | lunitik: opera9 is passes that stupid test now |
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| 17:22.04 | Luke-Jr | abrotman: he was using some other tests |
| 17:22.12 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't think I tested with Opera 9 :/ |
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| 17:22.17 | abchirk | Luke-Jr, yeah i know..i wouldnt write something was the "pushtotalk" key ;) and I pressed enter after that..sorry |
| 17:22.23 | abrotman | lunitik: you should .. they made a good chunk of changes |
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| 17:22.35 | lunitik | abrotman: something that tests standards compliance is a "stupid test"? |
| 17:22.43 | lunitik | abrotman: I use Konqi |
| 17:22.50 | abrotman | lunitik: i know you do .. KDE fanboi! |
| 17:22.52 | simonrvn | abrotman: did they update it for the X11 directory changes? |
| 17:23.20 | simonrvn | ('cause they have etch and sid .debs ...) |
| 17:23.22 | lunitik | abrotman: you'd use it too, if you took the time to use it, rather than just confirm what people say about it |
| 17:23.24 | abrotman | lunitik: http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/900/index.dml |
| 17:23.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: eh .. not sure .. |
| 17:23.41 | abrotman | lunitik: i tried .. it sucks |
| 17:23.43 | lunitik | abrotman: I care about as much about Opera as I do about Internet Explorer |
| 17:24.05 | blondie | I umounted an NFS share, and now I can't mount it again, it says: |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | lunitik: that's ok .. simonrvn can appreciate good software :) |
| 17:24.11 | simonrvn | i know a wmaker user who uses konq |
| 17:24.15 | blondie | Jul 20 18:23:13 kronos rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from saturn.xelam.net:931 for /u3 (/u3) |
| 17:24.17 | abrotman | lunitik: it's about tesitng browsers |
| 17:24.18 | blondie | Jul 20 18:23:13 kronos rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted |
| 17:24.19 | blondie | what does that mean? |
| 17:24.26 | blondie | (that's in messages on the server) |
| 17:24.27 | lunitik | abrotman: then you didn't try hard enough... I gave Gnome a chance for a year... I have a right to say it sucks imo :) |
| 17:24.53 | abrotman | lunitik: we've been over this .. you're wrong .. there's no debate about it :) |
| 17:25.23 | Vampire | :D |
| 17:25.29 | Fare | I'd like Konq if it could read gmail |
| 17:25.33 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm very picky... resource clean, works well, does the job it's supposed to, does what i tell to do without bitching... |
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| 17:25.36 | Luke-Jr | Fare: works for me |
| 17:25.44 | Fare | in full-featured mode? |
| 17:25.47 | Vampire | ? |
| 17:25.48 | Luke-Jr | simonrvn: that's not Gecko |
| 17:25.51 | Fare | (as opposed to "html mode") ? |
| 17:25.52 | Luke-Jr | Fare: shrug |
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| 17:26.02 | simonrvn | you have to fake the user-agent with konq, and then not all the full features work |
| 17:26.03 | blondie | GRRRRRRR |
| 17:26.17 | blondie | that bloody disk doesn't mount before NFS starts so it gets upset :( |
| 17:26.18 | abrotman | blondie: seems like it should work .. |
| 17:26.21 | lunitik | Fare: Kmail reads it... why would you use a browser to read e-mail? :/ |
| 17:26.24 | simonrvn | they've coded their JS for FF and IE :( |
| 17:26.34 | blondie | abrotman: it's cos my SATA disks won't mount on boot :( |
| 17:26.38 | Innu | Hi. When i do doubleclick on volume control icon, ill get error: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" ... Whats wrong? |
| 17:26.41 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: GMail has IMAP now? |
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| 17:26.49 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: its pop |
| 17:26.51 | simonrvn | Innu: it's not installed? |
| 17:26.53 | Luke-Jr | eww |
| 17:26.56 | simonrvn | pop3s |
| 17:26.56 | Luke-Jr | POP sucks |
| 17:26.59 | blondie | abrotman: sarge sux0r! :( |
| 17:27.04 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: you have to turn it on though... |
| 17:27.06 | Fare | pop is nice for what it does |
| 17:27.12 | r0ver | hello, anyone in ireland ?, what's the time there right now ? (seriously) |
| 17:27.14 | riot | can i switch off or change the cpu-overtemp-alert without reboot->bios using acpi? |
| 17:27.18 | Luke-Jr | Fare: SMTP is nicer for what POP does |
| 17:27.19 | riot | (oh, hi.. :) |
| 17:27.27 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: I don't really get the difference between pop and imap...meh |
| 17:27.29 | Fare | TZ=Europe/Dublin date |
| 17:27.32 | simonrvn | Innu: and here i thought you *were* innu, heh |
| 17:27.42 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: IMAP is a proper mailbox protocol |
| 17:27.50 | blondie | ewww POP3 |
| 17:27.52 | r0ver | Fare: yes, but with daylighting, now is 5:25 or 6:25pm ? |
| 17:27.53 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: POP is SMTP, but pull instead of PUSH |
| 17:27.54 | blondie | IMAP++ |
| 17:27.55 | riot | lunitik: imap has folders :) |
| 17:27.57 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: idk... I get my mail fine via pop |
| 17:28.09 | Fare | TZ=Europe/Dublin date takes daylight into account, dude |
| 17:28.11 | lunitik | And filter it to folders... |
| 17:28.12 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: you obviously only use one computer ;) |
| 17:28.14 | blondie | lunitik: POP3 is only suitable if you use just one machine to read your mail :| |
| 17:28.17 | simonrvn | i prefer imap, but i'll tolerate a decent pop3d |
| 17:28.24 | Innu | simonrvn, what you mean about were. What i need to install, cant find this packege from apitude |
| 17:28.29 | stew | blondie: why do you say that? |
| 17:28.41 | riot | blondie: not true. set up synchronizing maildirs, fetchmail on all machines and voila. |
| 17:28.47 | blondie | ewww |
| 17:28.52 | r0ver | Fare: ok, so is 5:25 right, could you confirm that please ? |
| 17:29.02 | Fare | r0ver: 18:25pm |
| 17:29.03 | blondie | you can't syncronise anything properly with POP3 |
| 17:29.04 | stew | blondie: there is nothing wrong with using pop from 2 different machines, i do it all the time |
| 17:29.10 | r0ver | (sorry the offtopic but i'm using debian to ask this question :) :) :) ) |
| 17:29.11 | lunitik | blondie: gmail archives my mail... I search that ... and read it via kmail at my main box... works for me |
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| 17:29.13 | Luke-Jr | blondie: UIDL, in theory |
| 17:29.16 | simonrvn | Innu: in my land, the innu peoples are aboriginal peoples, it's their name for themselves, and it means "the people" |
| 17:29.17 | r0ver | Fare: thank you very much. |
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| 17:29.42 | riot | blondie: i was not talking about synching using pop3 - thats not even possible. i synch my maildirs (after fetchmailing) using unison - works perfect |
| 17:29.44 | Fare | simonrvn: and you're not a human being... speak about racism |
| 17:29.46 | blondie | stew: and I suppose it synchronises message state between them? and multiple folders? |
| 17:29.53 | Innu | simonrvn, what land is it then ? :) And you now answer for second question? |
| 17:30.00 | simonrvn | Fare: you assume a lot ... |
| 17:30.27 | Luke-Jr | riot: so host your own IMAP =p |
| 17:30.32 | FlimFlamMan | hello. is anyone aware of a particularly good how-to for getting apache2 on a debian-stable box to authenticate against MS Active Directory? |
| 17:30.34 | stew | blondie: my mua does that client side, but if you require that you will need a special client or use imap |
| 17:30.38 | riot | Luke-Jr: and where? on my home-box?? pretty uncomfy. |
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| 17:30.43 | simonrvn | Innu: i come from northern alberta, in "canada", and they come from northern quebec and labrador, in the northeast of north america |
| 17:30.47 | Luke-Jr | riot: on your home server! |
| 17:31.02 | riot | can i switch off/change my cpu-temp-alert settings using acpi or something similar |
| 17:31.03 | blondie | stew: yes, that was my point |
| 17:31.14 | simonrvn | Luke-Jr: that's what i do. been doing that for a while. i like it ;) |
| 17:31.15 | riot | Luke-Jr: theres no big difference. But what if i can't reach it? No mail?! Sure!! |
| 17:31.19 | Fare | simonrvn: and I come from my mother's womb, that's been on many continents |
| 17:31.34 | Luke-Jr | riot: why can't you reach it? |
| 17:31.37 | simonrvn | so does everyone else. you're not special |
| 17:31.48 | simonrvn | unique yes, but not special |
| 17:31.48 | Fare | I'm unique -- like everyone else |
| 17:31.53 | riot | Luke-Jr: because the provider-created firmware for my wrt54g sucks and can't port-forward. |
| 17:32.02 | riot | and because i don't wanna rely on it. |
| 17:32.02 | simonrvn | Fare: heheh |
| 17:32.09 | Fare | simonrvn: watched the movie "the specials" recently? |
| 17:32.13 | Luke-Jr | riot: so use OpenWrt |
| 17:32.14 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:32.19 | simonrvn | never heard of it |
| 17:32.24 | riot | Fare: thats that despair-logo for individuality.. :-( *g* |
| 17:32.27 | Fare | it's a very bad movie |
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| 17:32.41 | Fare | but funny in a way |
| 17:32.41 | riot | Luke-Jr: no. i can't. My provider did not put that firmware there without a reason...... |
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| 17:32.44 | Ronin | i heard it was hilarious actually heh |
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| 17:32.58 | simonrvn | ok, i'm going to wander off before i get even more off-topic ;) |
| 17:33.04 | Luke-Jr | riot: screw your provider? |
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| 17:33.07 | riot | Luke-Jr: and, NO. i'm not gonna switch from a provider that offers direct university-uplink with 24 mbits for under 20 bucks. |
| 17:33.29 | riot | (and a citywide wireless-network that relies on that stupid firmware..) |
| 17:33.34 | Fare | why does dpkg eat so much memory??? |
| 17:33.41 | Luke-Jr | riot: hack that stupid firmware to forward ports |
| 17:33.45 | riot | Fare: because it knows VERY much. |
| 17:33.51 | riot | Luke-Jr: thats an option :D |
| 17:33.53 | Luke-Jr | riot: should be an easy change to the code |
| 17:34.14 | riot | hmm. i fear, my provider won't like that.. and they seem to update that crappy shit every few weeks |
| 17:34.16 | Luke-Jr | and if they won't give the code, threaten to sue for GPL infringement =p |
| 17:34.17 | Fare | riot: yet it doesn't know to remove conflicting packages that need removed before unpacking new packages that conflict with old |
| 17:34.21 | knoxy | abrotman, how I remove dotdeb packages and install backports packages? dist-upgrade? |
| 17:34.27 | abrotman | purge them |
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| 17:34.34 | knoxy | hmm |
| 17:34.42 | abrotman | knoxy: or read the instructions at backports.org |
| 17:34.52 | Fare | abrotman: my new dpkg replacement will be called the spanish inquisition |
| 17:34.52 | knoxy | ok |
| 17:34.53 | riot | Fare: use force - but with caution. |
| 17:35.11 | riot | Fare: thats a nice name ;D |
| 17:35.26 | Luke-Jr | Does dist-upgrade for stable do only security fixes? |
| 17:35.31 | stew | an unexpected name |
| 17:35.57 | riot | so i can't switch off acpi thermal alerts? without going to bios? |
| 17:36.10 | Ronin | Luke-Jr: yes until etch moves to stable |
| 17:36.18 | stew | Luke-Jr: dist-upgrade and upgrade are the same, except upgrade is not willing to remove package or install new packages, dist-upgrade will be willing to install new packages or remove packages in order to satisfy dependencies |
| 17:36.33 | Ronin | providing of course you havent changed your source file |
| 17:36.45 | Fare | btw, hibernate doesn't work correctly on my computer -- the buzzer gets crazy and the cpu gets slow |
| 17:37.02 | Nei | rumours say one should try swsusp2 |
| 17:37.05 | Fare | who would know how to fix that? |
| 17:37.23 | Fare | Nei: I am already using it, I think |
| 17:37.46 | Nei | it requires special kernel patching so if you havent done that I doubt it |
| 17:37.46 | Fare | (was apparently necessary to get crypto for swap and root) |
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| 17:38.39 | simonrvn | Fare: because some of it is perl, and it reads into mem the databases; also when people say "the people" they don't just mean themselves, although some may take it that way. that's a bit narrow-minded, IMO, but the word means literally means, the humans. so, all peoples of the world are innu, or onkwehonwe, or whatever, from the land their people come from. we're all indigenous to somewhere in the worl |
| 17:38.39 | simonrvn | d. ultimately, we as a species came from africa, but we have wanderlust, so that's where we were at, and are now. </OT> |
| 17:38.57 | lunitik | simonrvn: nice essay :P |
| 17:39.01 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: so someone can't hit the power button, remove the HD, and harvest the RAM |
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| 17:39.37 | simonrvn | potentially confusing one ;) |
| 17:39.37 | lunitik | Luke-Jr: wouldn't it dramatically slow down use of swap though? |
| 17:39.37 | Fare | lunitik, so that passwords, etc., don't get readable by the pirate when they are swapped out |
| 17:39.46 | Fare | (and they DO get swapped out when you hibernate) |
| 17:39.48 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: I imagine so |
| 17:40.09 | Luke-Jr | lunitik: but if swap is only used for hibernation, it may be worth the time for some people |
| 17:40.13 | FlimFlamMan | hello. is anyone aware of a particularly good how-to for getting apache2 on a debian-stable box to authenticate against MS Active Directory? |
| 17:40.29 | lunitik | FlimFlamMan: $50 says Google knows |
| 17:40.40 | Fare | simonrvn, ultimately, we as individuals live wherever we do, and it makes no difference where we come from |
| 17:41.00 | abrotman | wait .. so simonrvn is my brother?! |
| 17:41.09 | abrotman | and jetscreamer is my father? |
| 17:41.13 | EEap | I need to download the kernel-headers package for my kernel, to compile the drbd-module, but I'm using kernel-2.6.15.1-k7 kernel image and doesn't have any kernel-headers package like this...the other kernel-header would work? |
| 17:41.20 | Luke-Jr | abrotman: and I am your son |
| 17:41.24 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 17:41.25 | Fare | simonrvn: except to racists (nowadays most prominently including those who call themselves "antiracists") |
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| 17:41.41 | abrotman | EEap: called linux-headers now |
| 17:41.49 | Fare | abrotman: no, Darth Vader is your father |
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| 17:41.51 | |AciD| | hi |
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| 17:42.02 | abrotman | !tell dansushi18 about root |
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| 17:42.21 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 17:42.24 | AciD | exit |
| 17:42.47 | EEap | abrotman wow!!! really?? ok , tnx a lot |
| 17:43.02 | Fare | has anyone good experience with swsusp2 on debian? |
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| 17:44.00 | aurel | do you know a tool to test RAM without reboot the server ? |
| 17:44.06 | abrotman | memtest |
| 17:44.17 | stew | make-kpkg :) |
| 17:44.26 | Luke-Jr | moo |
| 17:44.36 | Fare | aurel: make a linux kernel -- if there's a segfault, the RAM is questionable |
| 17:45.09 | abrotman | aurel: apt-cache search stress test .. might yeild something useful also |
| 17:45.25 | AciD | I don't get it : I have a "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)" ethernet card (with 8139cp and 8139too modules loaded), a 100MBits switch and my server has a 1000MBits eth card, the switch shows a 100MBits connectivity from both sides, and I can't get more than 800KB/s transfer rate between those computers... how come ? |
| 17:46.01 | aurel | Fare, I don't have gcc ... |
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| 17:46.21 | lunitik | aurel: aptitude install build-essential ? |
| 17:46.23 | Tarantulafudge | hey guys |
| 17:46.23 | Fare | aurel: apt-get install gcc |
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| 17:47.17 | Fare | AciD: bad cables? slow disks? |
| 17:47.32 | nlindblad | what is the planned release date for Etch? Is it still december 4 2006? |
| 17:47.38 | Tarantulafudge | I need a way to use some type of centralized system to streamline a continuous backup (initial mass backup, then incremental from there on) from windows boxes and linux boxes alike, is this is possible? (I need to also be able to copy the exact partition table) |
| 17:47.43 | stew | nlindblad: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 17:47.50 | nlindblad | thanks stew |
| 17:48.09 | MarcoPau | what can I check if umount says "device is busy"? |
| 17:48.25 | Fare | MarcoPau: fuser -m /mnt |
| 17:48.39 | AciD | Fare: perhaps I should test with other cables, disks are ok (good as new) |
| 17:48.52 | AciD | but honestly I doubt it's the cause |
| 17:49.08 | Tarantulafudge | I was thinking about using amanda but it doesn't exactly copy parition tables |
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| 17:49.23 | MarcoPau | Fare: 5410c... is that a pid? |
| 17:49.25 | Fare | AciD: try direct cable connection (with inverter cat5 female/female adapter) |
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| 17:49.39 | dansushi2 | ok, here |
| 17:49.40 | Fare | MarcoPau: pid+fdes |
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| 17:49.49 | abrotman | dansushi2: better |
| 17:49.49 | MarcoPau | Fare: how do I kill it? |
| 17:49.50 | Razva | folks, how can I add/remove apt-get sources? |
| 17:49.54 | AciD | cat5 ? never heard of that thing :x |
| 17:49.55 | Fare | man kill |
| 17:50.04 | abrotman | Razva: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:50.06 | Fare | AciD: cat6? |
| 17:50.13 | AciD | same |
| 17:50.16 | Fare | AciD: I'm so old-fashioned |
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| 17:50.21 | AciD | :) |
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| 17:50.27 | guilherme-jorge | anybody knows dazuko? |
| 17:50.32 | Fare | AciD: what's the cable flavour of the day? |
| 17:50.40 | Fare | guilherme-jorge, I'm sure he knows himself |
| 17:50.40 | AciD | rj45 |
| 17:50.43 | Razva | ok and from where can I find a list of mirrors from where I can apt? |
| 17:50.51 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 17:50.51 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 17:51.01 | Fare | AciD: rj45 is the type of plug. cat5 is the type of cable. |
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| 17:51.18 | Fare | anyway |
| 17:51.35 | anisfarhana | greetings all |
| 17:51.36 | simonrvn | Fare: now see, i partly agree with you, but a culture is partly defined by the environment it grew up from, so yes in a way it does. the way location doesn't matter is that you carry your culture around with you, so in that way, it is mobile. |
| 17:51.36 | anisfarhana | hello.. :D |
| 17:51.51 | MarcoPau | Fare: can't find anything about fdes... don't even know what that is actually |
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| 17:52.07 | starshine | anyone have a truetype, monospace, unicode font? |
| 17:52.20 | simonrvn | and the central core of a culture is its language |
| 17:52.25 | Fare | MarcoPau: man 2 open; apt-get install lsof ; man lsof; |
| 17:52.50 | MarcoPau | Fare: ok |
| 17:52.56 | MarcoPau | thank you |
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| 17:53.04 | Fare | simonrvn: central? and it's got a circumference, too? It's a circle! |
| 17:53.16 | AciD | let's try a cable change |
| 17:53.26 | simonrvn | hehehe, more like foundation then :) |
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| 17:53.44 | Fare | AciD: check your dmesg or syslog for kernel messages related to ethernet configuration |
| 17:53.45 | starshine | if I could install such a font by apt I'd be really happy :) |
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| 17:54.04 | Fare | starshine: apt-cache search vera |
| 17:54.16 | Fare | starshine: apt-cache search font |
| 17:54.17 | simonrvn | no, i'm not an anthropologist or linguist, just a curious person |
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| 17:55.01 | Fare | simonrvn: that gives you an edge over most academic linguists and anthropologists, actually |
| 17:55.05 | Vasistha | starshine: you're not looking for the microsoft fonts, are you? |
| 17:55.28 | Razva | ok, if I've added some sources that I don't need, should I first "remove" them somehow or just add the new ones? |
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| 17:55.45 | Fare | starshine: apt-get install apt-cache ; apt-cache search truetype |
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| 17:56.02 | Fare | Razva: rm -rf |
| 17:56.13 | simonrvn | that's true, they've been taught a certain way, a certain way of thinking, certain values, certain prejudices based on what they were taught, etc. i mean prejudice in the formal non-loaded way |
| 17:56.28 | starshine | Vasistha: no, I already have older editions of those, and they barely waste their time on monospace anyway |
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| 17:57.15 | Razva | Fare rm -rf what please? |
| 17:57.17 | starshine | I'm really looking for the unicode aspect, but I have a need for ttf as the font type for something specific, otherwise I wouldn |
| 17:57.20 | starshine | 't need to ask |
| 17:57.26 | blinx | why can i only use 1024x768 and not 1280x1024? |
| 17:57.28 | AciD | eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 and eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 17:57.32 | Fare | Razva: whatever old source you don't need |
| 17:57.39 | simonrvn | it's hard finding a decent unicode font :( |
| 17:57.48 | Razva | Fare ok, so the question is where are the sources located? :) |
| 17:57.56 | Fare | Razva: wherever you put them! |
| 17:58.35 | abrotman | Razva: i told you /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:58.46 | Fare | Razva: this is not RedHat, there is no /usr/src/redhat/ |
| 17:58.50 | starshine | simonrvn: yeah and wanting monospace doesn't help |
| 17:58.54 | simonrvn | holy... opera is like FF in virtual mem usage |
| 17:58.55 | abrotman | Fare: don't tell him to do that |
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| 17:59.08 | gnuzi|afk | how to create a symlink for libc-2.3.1...and make it appear like libc-2.3.2? |
| 17:59.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: is that good or bad? |
| 17:59.09 | simonrvn | starshine: nicest i've found is lucidatypewriter |
| 17:59.18 | simonrvn | bad, it's at 119 MB |
| 17:59.21 | starshine | Fare found ttf-junicode but no sign that it's monospace |
| 17:59.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: but it's fast! :) |
| 17:59.27 | stew | gnuzi|afk: your questions are off-topic here |
| 17:59.32 | gnuzi|afk | :( |
| 17:59.36 | stew | gnuzi|afk: please find a channel specific to your distro |
| 17:59.43 | simonrvn | i just opened it... :/ |
| 17:59.52 | apfel | I just upgraded from Xfree86 to X.org and now I'm wondering what the new configuration program (formerly xf86config) is? |
| 17:59.53 | blinx | i changed the resolution in xorg.conf, but nothing happens |
| 17:59.56 | blinx | hm |
| 18:00.03 | gnuzi|afk | plx help me last time... :( |
| 18:00.05 | gnuzi|afk | its 1 line |
| 18:00.06 | Ronin | blinx: is your card capable of doint thta |
| 18:00.11 | gnuzi|afk | ln -s then what? |
| 18:00.31 | abrotman | gnuzi|afk: what version of linux is this? |
| 18:00.33 | streuner | !drxx apfel |
| 18:00.33 | dpkg | apfel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:00.37 | gnuzi|afk | 2.4.18 |
| 18:00.40 | stew | abrotman: "CORE linux" |
| 18:00.45 | abrotman | wtf is CORE linux? |
| 18:00.51 | Ronin | gnuzi|afk: he meant distro i suspect not kernel |
| 18:00.52 | abrotman | gnuzi|afk: try ##linux |
| 18:00.57 | gnuzi|afk | ok |
| 18:00.59 | Vasistha | blinx: did you restart X, or run a utility that changes the screen res? |
| 18:01.09 | gnuzi|afk | cd ##linux |
| 18:01.09 | blinx | yes |
| 18:01.12 | gnuzi|afk | wtf |
| 18:01.13 | gnuzi|afk | HAHA |
| 18:01.18 | stew | abrotman: CORE is an acronym for "CORE is not DEBIAN" |
| 18:01.24 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.33 | blinx | but no reaction |
| 18:01.33 | Fare | starshine: what's wrong with ttf-bitstream-vera ? |
| 18:01.40 | Ronin | i thought you had xorg blinx |
| 18:01.51 | Fare | starshine: you might wanna try cyberbit (don't see it packaged, though) |
| 18:02.10 | blinx | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:02.17 | blinx | my mistake |
| 18:02.21 | simonrvn | abrotman: you funny dude |
| 18:02.25 | blinx | hm |
| 18:02.26 | AciD | Fare: indeed I have a lot of stuff like "kernel: DROPPED IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.0.1 DST=192.168.0.255 LEN=112 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=12633 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=513 DPT=513 LEN=92" in my server dmesg |
| 18:02.26 | Fare | apfel, vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:02.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: i am? |
| 18:02.36 | Fare | blinx: restart your server? |
| 18:02.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: what did i do? |
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| 18:02.48 | simonrvn | "but it's fast!" |
| 18:03.15 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's faster than FF on machines i use |
| 18:03.15 | blinx | i have restarted it! |
| 18:03.15 | simonrvn | yeh it is |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: and it has all that extra stuff in it .. like email and bt and rss and irc |
| 18:03.41 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/9395 |
| 18:03.50 | blinx | ^there is my xorg.conf |
| 18:04.13 | Fare | AciD: that's firewall filtering, not what matters |
| 18:04.39 | Vasistha | blinx: actually you want dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:04.51 | Vasistha | err, oh, you got that :-) |
| 18:04.54 | AciD | yeah, I just disabled it to see if it affected the transfer, it didn't :\ |
| 18:05.00 | Vasistha | sorry, having trouble tracking :P |
| 18:05.09 | blinx | i did |
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| 18:05.38 | starshine | Fare: I'm hoping to see cyrillic in a textfile mixed with english... |
| 18:06.01 | AciD | starshine: use utf8 |
| 18:06.12 | starshine | AciD: I don't get choice on the origin file |
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| 18:06.42 | starshine | AciD: but I'd still need a monospace utf8 font.. |
| 18:06.43 | Fare | starshine: what does the originator use??? Do the same! |
| 18:06.54 | Fare | starshine: cyberbit is one, vera is another |
| 18:06.59 | starshine | .o( back to square 1, thanks |
| 18:07.03 | Fare | I mean, vera monospace |
| 18:07.15 | blinx | what can i do? |
| 18:07.15 | Fare | microsoft also has andale mono and courier |
| 18:07.21 | Vasistha | starshine: do you know about defoma ? It's pretty easy to use |
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| 18:07.39 | Fare | blinx: sacrifice a chicken. Check that the right X server is running. See its output. |
| 18:08.05 | shining | is defoma really needed? |
| 18:08.18 | shining | fonts aren't handled by fontconfig ? |
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| 18:08.30 | starshine | I could use the font straight-up if I have to, I just need one with all the traits in a row :) |
| 18:08.55 | starshine | now if we had something where I could say, I need these powers in a font, now go get it, that would rock ;P |
| 18:09.04 | ki_ctr | hi need some help: i cant access the files i uploaded through my ftp server with my apache server. apache and ftp users are in the same group. |
| 18:09.19 | blinx | the xorg server is running |
| 18:09.29 | blinx | where i can see his output? |
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| 18:10.10 | stew | blinx: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:10.48 | DocTomoe | Hi ... I have two debian servers. one of them will be trashed soon, the other one is the replacement. Is there a way to get a computer-readable list of all packages installed on the old one so that they can be installed without much hassle on the new one? |
| 18:11.08 | abrotman | !tell DocTomoe about debian clone |
| 18:11.45 | DocTomoe | abrotman: you, sir, are my hero |
| 18:11.57 | abrotman | don't say that til it works :) |
| 18:12.27 | AciD | Fare: damn, changing the sever cable hasn't changed anything |
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| 18:13.29 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/9396 |
| 18:13.55 | Fare | starshine: cyberbit is monospace with lots of glyphs. Try http://wiki.splitbrain.org/debianfonts |
| 18:14.16 | rob-84x^ | DocTomoe: try dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 18:15.04 | starshine | oooooh |
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| 18:16.38 | Fare | starshine: next time, ask google |
| 18:17.28 | stew | blinx: what video card do you have? |
| 18:18.41 | starshine | Fare: well if apt didn't contain cyberbit how the f was I to know? |
| 18:18.42 | simonrvn | Fare: nice spot, thanks |
| 18:18.56 | shining | don't most apps use fontconfig ? |
| 18:19.22 | ki_ctr | need some help: i cant access the files i uploaded through my ftp server with my apache server. apache and ftp users are in the same group. FTPServer = vsftpd, www = apache2 |
| 18:19.23 | Fare | starshine: google: debian fonts truetype |
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| 18:19.51 | simonrvn | you can drop those into ~/.fonts, run fc-cache -vf (leave off the v if you don't want verbose) and you'll see them when the next app opens, or next new x session |
| 18:20.04 | starshine | simonrvn: thanks |
| 18:20.11 | Fare | http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=debian+fonts+truetype |
| 18:21.16 | Fare | ki_ctr: check your .htaccess and/or /etc/apache2/ configuration |
| 18:21.22 | starshine | I have no idea why some people think that being helpful followed with being pissy scores them any points in the universe... |
| 18:21.35 | AciD | ok so, apart from cables and disks, what could turn a 100Mbits lan into a slowy 10 one ? |
| 18:21.49 | simonrvn | gtg. bbialw |
| 18:21.52 | Fare | AciD: what is your testing procedure? |
| 18:21.55 | ki_ctr | Fare: ? and what am i going to find? |
| 18:21.56 | shining | starshine: dude, he just gave you a link. and you could have found it alone by using google |
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| 18:22.08 | blinx | nvidia geforce 6600gt |
| 18:22.30 | Fare | ki_ctr: if you don't know, then better get reading the apache docs on making files available |
| 18:22.33 | stew | blinx: try the nv driver instead of the vesa driver |
| 18:22.38 | AciD | Fare: for what criteria ? |
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| 18:22.43 | Fare | AciD: speed |
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| 18:22.53 | stew | AciD: what protocol are you testing with? |
| 18:22.53 | starshine | shining: it's my habit, if I want to help, to help. or don't. |
| 18:23.01 | AciD | I transfer files via sftp |
| 18:23.04 | ki_ctr | Fare: i can see the files |
| 18:23.09 | stew | starshine: please just move on |
| 18:23.23 | Fare | ki_ctr: then what is the problem? |
| 18:23.26 | ki_ctr | Fare: i cant ACCESS em because its not +x fpr groups |
| 18:23.26 | starshine | shining: since I was trying to do things "the debian way" and the blurbos didn't indicate if these fonts have these traits, I hoped that some *person* knew. |
| 18:23.52 | starshine | however, if it's not ok to hope for data here that people will know, I will just bugger off again and stick to wikiwalking |
| 18:23.55 | blinx | already done |
| 18:24.00 | blinx | no reaction |
| 18:24.02 | blinx | hm |
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| 18:24.11 | Fare | http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=unicode+fonts |
| 18:24.53 | Fare | blinx: does X report using the nv driver? |
| 18:25.08 | ki_ctr | Fare: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=be+nice+to+other+the+tutorial |
| 18:25.10 | stew | blinx: can i see the log after you swithed to the nv driver? |
| 18:25.19 | blinx | X reports the nv driver |
| 18:25.21 | starshine | ki_ctr: :) |
| 18:25.29 | shining | blinx: hmm? |
| 18:25.34 | stew | blinx: can i see that log? the last one you pastebinned was using the vesa driver |
| 18:26.04 | Fare | ki_ctr: if you already know the solution, why not use it? And if you don't, why assume it's what works? |
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| 18:26.29 | ki_ctr | Fare: because i dont want to set the execute chmod manually to every file i upload |
| 18:27.02 | Fare | why is execute needed at all? are you executing those files? Otherwise you can upload them with a larger umask |
| 18:27.13 | ki_ctr | Fare: because its not viewable? |
| 18:27.18 | stew | ki_ctr: /msg dpkg Permissions ; read the url in that factoid about setting the group sticky bit on directories and about umask |
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| 18:27.28 | shining | blinx: did you remove any refresh settings? |
| 18:27.37 | blinx | mom |
| 18:27.41 | blinx | i restart x server |
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| 18:27.55 | shining | screen+irssi |
| 18:28.21 | ki_ctr | stew: one moment.. i need someone who help me translating what you wrote.. my english is not perfekt |
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| 18:28.49 | starshine | ki_ctr: set group sticky on its parent directory; group ownership will be set for you. |
| 18:28.52 | spundun_ | hi all... I have a LOT of .dpkg-new files in /etc .... is there a utility that can help me sift through them and get my /etc up-to-date? .... my gnome is broken and who know s what else.... |
| 18:28.53 | stew | ki_ctr: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions <- read about umask, and the "sticky bit" on directories |
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| 18:29.20 | ki_ctr | stew & starshine: hey great idea... ill check this out |
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| 18:29.24 | starshine | yw |
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| 18:30.11 | blinx | there should be the actual log file: http://paste.debian.net/9397 |
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| 18:31.05 | shining | blinx: you are still using vesa |
| 18:31.12 | blinx | whats that! |
| 18:31.24 | blinx | i selected nv |
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| 18:31.36 | shining | blinx: don't |
| 18:31.40 | blinx | i have |
| 18:31.41 | blinx | hm |
| 18:31.42 | shining | blinx: write it directly |
| 18:31.49 | blinx | how? |
| 18:31.56 | shining | blinx: I mean, don't select it, edit the file directly |
| 18:32.07 | blinx | mom |
| 18:32.10 | spundun_ | there is a etc-update utility in gentoo... I am hoping there is something similar (possibly better) in debian |
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| 18:33.00 | shining | spundun_: it sometimes ask you when you upgrade a package, what you want to do with a config file |
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| 18:33.05 | blinx | now i ty again |
| 18:33.25 | shining | spundun_: though it's always files I've never edited |
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| 18:34.05 | shining | blinx: use screen+irssi |
| 18:34.12 | blinx | hm |
| 18:34.13 | shining | blinx: don't disconnect every times |
| 18:34.15 | spundun_ | shining: well it didnt ask me this time... and I am talking about tonns of files.... I don't know why it didn't ask me... and I have never edited any of the files... it just made hundreds of dpkg-new files.... :( |
| 18:34.18 | blinx | already the same |
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| 18:34.31 | ki_ctr | damn how can i set 2 different umasks for directories and files? |
| 18:34.36 | cahoot | spundun: one of the benefits of stability is the need of such utilities is rather small |
| 18:34.40 | shining | blinx: paste your xorg.conf |
| 18:34.41 | blinx | how i should restart the x server? |
| 18:34.43 | ki_ctr | i want directories to be 755 and files 644 |
| 18:34.44 | blinx | mom |
| 18:34.51 | scandrou | stew: I just found out my linksys wpc11 is version4. I should not use wlan-ng :-( |
| 18:35.10 | shining | blinx: you should use an irc client that doesn't need X. so you can restart it without leaving irc |
| 18:35.14 | scandrou | blinx: startx ? |
| 18:35.43 | blinx | what for an irc client? |
| 18:35.50 | blinx | you are using? |
| 18:35.53 | shining | blinx: for restarting X, I either log out, and do alt+e in kdm or ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 18:35.55 | shining | blinx: irssi |
| 18:36.00 | stew | ki_ctr: then just make sure the directories are g+s (so that the group ownership is inherited) and the umask is 022 (which is the default so you should have to do anythin) |
| 18:36.07 | scandrou | emacs and erc |
| 18:36.07 | spundun_ | cahoot: read my last comment.... I have hundreds of .dpkg-new files... can you tell me why they did not get updated? I used synaptic to update packages... |
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| 18:36.08 | chekka | hi, i want to compile openldap, but I don't know where to download the source to, where do people usually do that? |
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| 18:36.20 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/9399 |
| 18:36.22 | blinx | so |
| 18:36.37 | scandrou | chekka: aptitude install ldap |
| 18:36.40 | LinuxHelp | Hi, how can I get a list of individual processes' current network usage? (debs testing) |
| 18:36.51 | shining | blinx: remove the refresh lines |
| 18:36.57 | shining | blinx: or comment them at least |
| 18:36.58 | LinuxHelp | Like Bytes/Sec |
| 18:36.58 | Vasistha | chekka: People do it different ways :P |
| 18:37.00 | stew | !wayc chekka |
| 18:37.00 | chekka | @scandrou I don't wanna use any package manager |
| 18:37.01 | dpkg | chekka: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 18:37.02 | blinx | where |
| 18:37.07 | shining | blinx: your monitor does support this resolution, right? |
| 18:37.13 | blinx | yes |
| 18:37.14 | shining | blinx: in monitor section |
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| 18:37.25 | blinx | suse linux supports it |
| 18:37.27 | chekka | @Vasistah yeah, but usually somewhere in /usr ? |
| 18:37.44 | chekka | @dpkg I wanna learn to compile progs |
| 18:37.45 | shining | blinx: just do that then |
| 18:37.56 | stew | chekka: /msg dpkg source |
| 18:38.28 | stew | chekka: a common place to do this would be to add your user to the src group and work in /usr/src |
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| 18:38.58 | Ronin | chekka: /window 11 |
| 18:38.59 | chekka | @stew aha, so this means anything should be downloaded there? |
| 18:39.03 | Ronin | pardon |
| 18:39.12 | blinx | Section "Screen" |
| 18:39.12 | blinx | Identifier"Default Screen" |
| 18:39.12 | blinx | Device"Standardgrafikkarte" |
| 18:39.12 | blinx | Monitor"Standardbildschirm" |
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| 18:39.49 | stew | chekka: that is one place, you could also do it in your home directory, you could also do it in /tmp |
| 18:39.50 | blinx | what should i edit? |
| 18:40.03 | shining | blinx: why did you paste this here?! |
| 18:40.10 | blinx | mistake |
| 18:40.14 | blinx | i know |
| 18:40.16 | shining | blinx: comment the refresh settings, that's all.. |
| 18:40.27 | blinx | refresh setting? |
| 18:40.36 | blinx | there! |
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| 18:40.44 | shining | blinx: both |
| 18:40.50 | chekka | @stew but when compiling I want to have all the bin-files in the /usr/local dir |
| 18:40.51 | blinx | #VertRefresh43-60 |
| 18:40.52 | shining | blinx: horiz and vertical |
| 18:41.05 | blinx | and #HorizSync28-51 |
| 18:41.06 | blinx | ok |
| 18:41.12 | Vasistha | blinx: those are commented out... |
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| 18:41.25 | shining | blinx: right |
| 18:41.27 | blinx | and restart x |
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| 18:41.28 | blinx | mom |
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| 18:41.42 | stew | chekka: the fact that you want to install them into /usr/local/ doesn't make a difference about where you should compile them |
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| 18:42.21 | blinx | wow |
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| 18:42.37 | blinx | now i have my resolution of 1280 |
| 18:42.39 | blinx | ok |
| 18:42.41 | blinx | thanks |
| 18:42.44 | shining | blinx: yep, np |
| 18:42.48 | Vasistha | blinx: congrats! |
| 18:42.51 | blinx | can i leave the setting so |
| 18:42.52 | blinx | ? |
| 18:42.59 | shining | blinx: xorg detect the right settings on all my screen |
| 18:42.59 | chekka | @stew ok, eg I download the source into my home dir, configure it with prefix=/usr/bin and later it will be installed there? |
| 18:43.01 | blinx | or is this not good |
| 18:43.20 | blinx | now xorg detects this parameters automatically? |
| 18:43.24 | shining | blinx: yes |
| 18:43.26 | blinx | ok |
| 18:43.27 | blinx | thanks |
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| 18:43.34 | shining | blinx: maybe it can screw up on some old monitors |
| 18:43.49 | stew | chekka: you mean prefix=/usr/local? you wouldn't want /usr/bin, but /usr or /usr/local |
| 18:43.50 | blinx | but i have a very good screen |
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| 18:43.55 | shining | but well, it always worked for me, so it's better not having them |
| 18:43.55 | stew | chekka: but yes |
| 18:43.57 | blinx | thanks a lot |
| 18:44.01 | blinx | afk |
| 18:44.04 | shining | otherwise, you have to look in your manual for the correct settings |
| 18:44.12 | chekka | @stew ups, yes, I mean /usr/local :-) |
| 18:45.03 | spundun_ | one more question.... I installed linux-image-2.6.15... but the /boot/grub/menu.lst file didnt get a new entry in it :( ... now everytime I boot I dont get the 2.6.15 entry at all... I have to boot into 2.6.12 kernel ... can anyone tell me whats the clean way of addding the entry to my grub menu? |
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| 18:45.42 | scandrou | knowing my card need the rtl818x-newstack driver, how can I find the debian package that has it? |
| 18:45.53 | stew | spundun_: run update-grub; edit /etc/kernel-img.conf and add two lines: "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" |
| 18:46.12 | scandrou | spundun_: vi |
| 18:47.26 | Luke-Jr | Is there a simple way to setup QoS to minimize latency on a particular port? |
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| 18:48.03 | stew | Luke-Jr: i think the simplist way (without having to read tons of documentation) is to get wondershaper and edit that script |
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| 18:54.45 | s0n1 | hi |
| 18:55.01 | s0n1 | someone have mysql_audit.so in /usr/lib/samba/vfs/ |
| 18:55.02 | s0n1 | ?? |
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| 18:55.26 | geemark | I need to run an entire "mbox" file through my local procmail sorting rules - how do I do this? |
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| 18:57.13 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 19:01.37 | sng | Yay! |
| 19:02.50 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:02.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:05.01 | chekka | I have an error when compiling openldap: configure: error: could not locate libtool ltdl.h |
| 19:05.04 | chekka | please help |
| 19:05.27 | abrotman | !tell chekka about search |
| 19:05.40 | chekka | apt-cache search? |
| 19:06.41 | damog | chekka: you should need libltdl3-dev package in order to compile properly |
| 19:06.49 | chekka | aha |
| 19:07.34 | abrotman | chekka: apt-file |
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| 19:08.50 | chekka | well, after failure of configure, how can i delete the cache? |
| 19:09.28 | chekka | or can I just say one more time ./configure blabla= |
| 19:09.30 | chekka | ? |
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| 19:10.04 | cptCaverna | hi all. Is image ISO1 the minimum Debian installation ??? |
| 19:10.29 | abrotman | !d-i cptCaverna |
| 19:10.29 | dpkg | cptCaverna, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:10.50 | abrotman | chekka: what are you compiling ? |
| 19:11.00 | abrotman | chekka: eh .. why not use the ldap package in debian ? |
| 19:11.04 | chekka | @abrotman openldap |
| 19:11.05 | cptCaverna | thanks. |
| 19:11.19 | chekka | @abrotman wanna compile on myself |
| 19:11.37 | chekka | to get experience with that |
| 19:12.16 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 19:12.33 | cptCaverna | yes. there is debian_binary1. Is it mimimun installation ??? |
| 19:12.42 | Ronin | chekka: theres no need for the @ just type the first letter or two and hit tab |
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| 19:13.11 | chekka | Ronin: aha |
| 19:13.16 | chekka | thx :-> |
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| 19:13.20 | Ronin | :) |
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| 19:13.25 | chekka | kewl |
| 19:13.47 | cptCaverna | On Debian site, there is debian_binary1. Is it minimun installation ??? |
| 19:14.05 | Ronin | cptCaverna: didnt dpkg suggest a net install not that long ago? |
| 19:14.18 | abrotman | !d-i cptCaverna |
| 19:14.19 | dpkg | cptCaverna, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:15.08 | Ronin | cptCaverna: thats about as minimal as you can get, once thats installed you can remove what debian considers a default to make it smaller |
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| 19:15.32 | cptCaverna | dpkg, I already did go. I did find debian_binary1.iso. My question is: can I install just this iso ??? |
| 19:15.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:15.44 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:15.45 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:16.31 | cptCaverna | ok abrotman. thanks |
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| 19:21.46 | salaud | can anyone help point me to the right direction or help me with a udev / hotplug issue on boot? I'm trying to make sure /dev (specifically /dev/console) is working on boot. I know how to do devfs=mount in the devfs world.. how does this work in debian? |
| 19:22.17 | Ronin | damn illeterate french coworkers of mine, what the heck does is printer printing by spot supposed to mean, heh |
| 19:22.26 | Ronin | and yes i know i spelled that incorrectly |
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| 19:24.36 | salaud | udev / hotplug / boot issue anyone? |
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| 19:27.16 | illatitante | why when i try to install ubuntu appear this: could not find kernel image /casper/.vml ????? |
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| 19:28.28 | Coweater | illatitante: #ubuntu |
| 19:28.46 | chekka | new problem: could not locate sql header |
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| 19:29.10 | chekka | still try to compile openldap |
| 19:29.43 | chekka | what package is it? |
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| 19:29.56 | chekka | how can I find it with apt-file? |
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| 19:30.42 | mage | would cp -rp copy the 'dot directories'? |
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| 19:34.29 | chekka | got it, you can find sql.h at libiodbc2-dev |
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| 19:36.16 | scandrou | I am trying to built the rtl8180 driver. I downloaded the tar, unpacked it, cd into it. lots of file in it. I make, an error. I ls no file anymore...What could have happen? |
| 19:36.40 | abrotman | chekka: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search sql.h |
| 19:37.39 | stew | mage: yes |
| 19:38.13 | scandrou | to runmake delete all file in . |
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| 19:38.48 | chekka | guys you're great |
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| 19:39.39 | abrotman | don't let the word get out .. |
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| 19:42.20 | stoned | good morning/afternoon |
| 19:42.25 | scandrou | could someone have a look at this make file: http://pastebin.ca/93805 . When I run it, it deletes everything |
| 19:42.33 | chekka | i am doing a make with the root account, is it very bad? |
| 19:43.48 | dondelelcaro | chekka: you shouldn't be using make as root. use fakeroot instead. |
| 19:44.33 | gnumber9 | anyone? --I'm a gnubie @ debugging -- while trying to acquire a stack trace by running gdb on Nautilus, I am unable to interact with Nautilus. Any suggestions? |
| 19:44.38 | chekka | dondelelcaro: i already did, it's doing the compilation, very bad? can i undo that? |
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| 19:46.14 | dondelelcaro | chekka: you can stop it with ^C; it's not that it's horrible, but it's an unecessary risk |
| 19:46.21 | dondelelcaro | kind of like driving without a seatbelt |
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| 19:46.37 | chekka | if i stop what then |
| 19:46.46 | dondelelcaro | chekka: then restart using fakeroot make; or similar. |
| 19:46.53 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you actually need to be root to build it) |
| 19:47.05 | sussudio | !test |
| 19:47.06 | dpkg | Sorry, sussudio, I didn't get your test. |
| 19:48.30 | Razva | can I give an user access to a port lower that 1024? |
| 19:48.33 | chekka | dondelelcaro: ok, stopped it, installed fakeroot and restarted with fakeroot make |
| 19:48.36 | Razva | because I REALLY need to do that |
| 19:48.54 | chekka | Razva: on your router or linux box? |
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| 19:49.13 | Razva | linux box |
| 19:49.28 | chekka | Razva: do you use a firewall on your box? Like iptables? |
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| 19:49.55 | Razva | yes |
| 19:49.59 | Razva | I use ipt |
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| 19:50.13 | gnumber9 | . |
| 19:50.35 | Razva | but I have no ideea how to set it in order to give access to the user |
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| 19:51.02 | {cyborg} | When creating debian domU's with xen-tools, new packages I install complain about missing shadow support (mainly the chage function). Any idea on how I could fix this ? |
| 19:51.21 | Razva | chekka can you tell me what should I set in order to run it? |
| 19:51.24 | chekka | Razva: for incoming or outgoing? any ip? |
| 19:51.33 | sgeigerbot | I would like to cat a file into the X clipboard. How would I do that? |
| 19:51.40 | dondelelcaro | Razva: what does the user need to do? |
| 19:51.51 | Razva | incoming and outgoing, a single IP |
| 19:52.36 | chekka | Razva: well i use iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT for the SSH Port |
| 19:53.08 | Razva | yeah, I do that also, but you know that just root can start processes that access a port lower than 1024 |
| 19:53.27 | dondelelcaro | Razva: not access, but listen on. |
| 19:53.29 | Razva | if you try to start any application that uses 1000 for example as a normal user it will fail |
| 19:53.37 | dondelelcaro | Razva: and almost always, that's what you want to do. |
| 19:53.37 | Razva | yes, right now it is listening |
| 19:54.01 | dondelelcaro | Razva: anything which is doing that should be capable of binding to 1000 as root, then droping the unecessary permissions |
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| 19:54.18 | Razva | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:1000 |
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| 19:54.29 | Razva | so 1000 is open |
| 19:54.32 | czekist | hi. how can i check my uid? |
| 19:54.34 | dondelelcaro | Razva: that won't change who is allowed to listen on 1000 |
| 19:54.36 | dondelelcaro | czekist: id |
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| 19:54.40 | Eduardo- | Anyone looking for a full-time development job in the chicagoland area working with a small 11 person development firm? |
| 19:54.41 | {cyborg} | czekist: echo $UID |
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| 19:54.53 | czekist | dondek: {cyborg} tgx |
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| 19:54.57 | czekist | thx* |
| 19:55.01 | Razva | dondelelcaro yes, than how can I set it to give permissions to the user? |
| 19:55.33 | {cyborg} | Razva: perhaps you can enable the capability for the process |
| 19:55.34 | scandrou | could someone tell me what target to invoke to make this make file: http://pastebin.ca/93805 |
| 19:55.57 | Razva | {cyborg} I have no ideea of how to do that... :( |
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| 19:56.02 | dondelelcaro | Razva: you generally don't want to give the user permissions to do that. What exactly are you trying to have bind to 1000? |
| 19:56.32 | Razva | dondelelcaro some program needed by the secretary |
| 19:56.34 | {cyborg} | Razva: I second dondelelcaro, you should not have to do that... |
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| 19:56.59 | Razva | I can't set it to use another port so I have two options: run the server as root or run it as user but on that port |
| 19:57.25 | chekka | Razva: what server? can you tell, please, I don't get it |
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| 19:57.34 | bernie | hello, anyone can say me how to block a paquet by source url, I would like to use another source url (who is not a debian repository) |
| 19:57.52 | {cyborg} | Razva: You can use some kind of mandatory access control (give some root caps but not all) |
| 19:58.03 | dondelelcaro | Razva: what is the program? |
| 19:58.25 | Razva | dondelelcaro some program used by the university for secretary work |
| 19:58.31 | dondelelcaro | any program that is actually running on the unix box at 1000 is really suspect. |
| 19:58.33 | chekka | hmmm |
| 19:58.35 | chekka | :-> |
| 19:58.46 | chekka | right |
| 19:59.16 | dondelelcaro | Razva: and why does it need to listen to 1000 on a users machine instead of connecting to 1000? |
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| 19:59.24 | chekka | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 1000 -j ACCEPT |
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| 19:59.30 | Razva^ | arrrgh, damn ISP |
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| 19:59.42 | chekka | iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --sport 1000 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:59.53 | dondelelcaro | chekka: that won't deal with the underlying issue. |
| 20:00.01 | dondelelcaro | Razva^: and why does it need to listen to 1000 on a users machine instead of connecting to 1000? |
| 20:00.03 | chekka | dondelelcaro: why? |
| 20:00.17 | czekist | which options should i set in fstab to be able to write to ext3 partition as an user? i tried "user" and "rw" options but it doesn't work |
| 20:00.21 | gnumber9 | will post in bugzilla... |
| 20:00.22 | dondelelcaro | chekka: we're talking about binding to a port, not allowing traffic to flow through iptables. |
| 20:00.34 | {cyborg} | Razva: well that is not a problem if the isp only allow port 1000 |
| 20:00.35 | dondelelcaro | they're separate problems |
| 20:00.39 | chekka | dondelelcaro: aha, ok |
| 20:00.44 | {cyborg} | Razva: you can do port redirection |
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| 20:00.58 | Razva| | now it's begining to be anoying! |
| 20:01.09 | chekka | kewl down |
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| 20:03.23 | {cyborg} | ehm, does anybody use debian as xen guest ? |
| 20:03.50 | dondelelcaro | {cyborg}: yes |
| 20:04.00 | Tallu | Hey guys (and gals). Umm. I've a problem. I just switched my debian hd from an old 233mhz pentium to a new amd 1800+ with 2gbit ddr ram and such and now when I try to boot it gets stuck on waiting for root file system and then alerts /dev/hdc1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! and then puts me to some BusyBox |
| 20:04.01 | Razva| | so any ideeas....? |
| 20:04.03 | sussudio | {cyborg}: no |
| 20:04.06 | Tallu | anything I can do to make it boot normally? |
| 20:04.07 | scandrou | what would be a good channel to ask about makefile ? |
| 20:04.09 | dondelelcaro | Razva|: and why does it need to listen to 1000 on a users machine instead of connecting to 1000? |
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| 20:04.33 | {cyborg} | dondelelcaro: have you experienced issues with shadow inside the guest ? |
| 20:04.41 | dondelelcaro | {cyborg}: no. |
| 20:04.48 | scandrou | Tallu: crea |
| 20:04.55 | dondelelcaro | {cyborg}: if shadow passwords are not enabled, you need to use shadowconfig |
| 20:05.01 | Razva| | dondelelcaro because it's a server... |
| 20:05.03 | scandrou | Tallu: do you have a initrd ? |
| 20:05.15 | bernie | anyone can say me how to configure apt for didn't update bind9 pkg from debian, but from another source ? |
| 20:05.20 | {cyborg} | dondelelcaro: ah ok at least you pointed me where to search |
| 20:05.34 | Razva| | it's listening for incoming connections from the offices |
| 20:05.51 | dondelelcaro | Razva|: so you're running some program on 1000 that the secretary needs to connect to? So why can't you have a small root daemon that does port redirection listening on 1000, and the actual program running as non-root on some other port? |
| 20:05.58 | Tallu | scandrou: uhm, well, it was pretty much a vanilla 2.6.16 and i havent made too many changes to the system itself, just installed things like apache and mysql. I dont have too much experience with debian yet. So, I dont really know. |
| 20:06.19 | {cyborg} | dondelelcaro: seems to have solved the issue, thanks |
| 20:06.40 | Razva| | dondelelcaro regarding the redirection, I don't know how to do it. regarding the other port, can't do it because I can't set the clients to access another port... |
| 20:07.02 | scandrou | !initrd |
| 20:07.02 | dpkg | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 20:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Razva|: the redirection can be done trivially using iptables and/or a redirector like portfwd. |
| 20:07.13 | {cyborg} | Razva: you have a router between the box and the net ? |
| 20:07.18 | Razva| | {cyborg} nope |
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| 20:07.33 | Razva| | dondelelcaro oh, can you please tell me how to do it, because it will help me a LOT |
| 20:07.36 | {cyborg} | Razva|: well actually you can even run iptables on the box directly |
| 20:07.39 | Tallu | scandrou: ok well then its gods way of punishing me |
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| 20:07.59 | scandrou | Tallu: :-) |
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| 20:08.40 | Tallu | scandrou: I'll try and read up on it. You think I can still get it to boot even though pretty much everything except for the HD has been changed? |
| 20:08.55 | {cyborg} | Razva|: but of course you have to know your way with iptables. Perhaps a frontend to it would do the trick |
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| 20:09.52 | {cyborg} | xm create prodbox.cfg |
| 20:10.16 | {cyborg} | oops, I though I was on tty3 |
| 20:10.43 | Razva| | ok, let me google for how to forward using iptables |
| 20:10.44 | scandrou | Tallu: I think so, do you still have a kernel you can boot into? |
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| 20:11.56 | Tallu | scandrou: well, it should all be there, yeah. for some reason it just isnt reading it. |
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| 20:12.14 | DrCurl | hi |
| 20:12.18 | perlmonkey | hello |
| 20:12.33 | {cyborg} | DrCurl: welcome |
| 20:13.05 | Razva| | -A FORWARD -p tcp --sport 10000 --dport 1000 |
| 20:13.05 | DrCurl | I want to setup a video editing station, should I use sarge or etch? |
| 20:13.07 | Razva| | is it ok?:D |
| 20:14.02 | {cyborg} | Razva|: uhm it sounds like a weird rule |
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| 20:14.38 | {cyborg} | Razva|: investigate the nat table |
| 20:15.09 | abrotman | Razva|: ask #iptables |
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| 20:16.37 | abrotman | DrCurl: are you into curling? |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | DrCurl: and which application do you want to use for editing? |
| 20:16.38 | DrCurl | abrotman: my name is carl and I'm studying for a PhD... DrCarl was taken ;) |
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| 20:16.39 | abrotman | oh .. i just saw the .ca hostmask .. and though ... eh .. whynot |
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| 20:16.51 | DrCurl | abrotman: I want to use packages of debian-multimedia: kdenlive (ffmpeg) dvdstyler, ... |
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| 20:17.22 | abrotman | DrCurl: oh .. then it probably wouldn't matter which of sarge/etch you use .. it's more your choice |
| 20:17.23 | DrCurl | building all this stuff from source is a pain |
| 20:18.18 | DrCurl | abrotman: is etch usable for desktop at the moment? borken packages? |
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| 20:19.02 | stoned | I use sid for my desktop, etch for my other desktop, and sarge for my servers |
| 20:19.07 | Razva| | oooooh, come oooon, I can't find the darn rule :(( |
| 20:19.10 | streuner | DrCurl: why not just use sarge with backports? |
| 20:20.14 | streuner | DrCurl: keep in mind, GNOME and KDE are biiigggg packages, after all ... ;-) |
| 20:20.27 | {cyborg} | DrCurl: I'm using etch as a desktop/xen host and it is very stable. The xfce4 packages are especially nice. |
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| 20:22.30 | amphi | Razva|: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i <iface> -p tcp --dport 10000 -j DNAT --to 1000 perhaps |
| 20:22.59 | DrCurl | hmmm |
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| 20:23.41 | abrotman | DrCurl: i use it on my laptop |
| 20:23.41 | stranger_stone | Hello opensource friends :) |
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| 20:23.48 | DrCurl | hi |
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| 20:24.05 | {cyborg} | amphi: the --to option must perhaps be of the form host:port |
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| 20:25.09 | DrCurl | last question about etch, is it changing a lot? cause I don't have high speed connection on that desktop, would not like to update several 100 megs weekly... |
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| 20:25.28 | dondelelcaro | DrCurl: it's changing a lot, but you can upgrade whenever you want. |
| 20:25.43 | DrCurl | ok, thanks for the info |
| 20:25.43 | LinuxHelp | Hi, how can I get a list of individual processes' current network usage? (Like bytes/sec) |
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| 20:25.53 | amphi | {cyborg}: it can just be a port IIRC, it defaults to lo |
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| 20:26.48 | stoned | man |
| 20:26.58 | stoned | is it just me or is aptitude a pissant with its depends |
| 20:27.00 | amphi | {cyborg}: but glancing at the man page, perhaps not |
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| 20:27.12 | Guerin | stoned: it's just you |
| 20:27.27 | asg | Guerin: hiya, are you mobile again? |
| 20:27.32 | stoned | can't be, it works better than apt-get |
| 20:27.36 | stoned | its not just me |
| 20:27.41 | stoned | it IS a pissant |
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| 20:27.42 | {cyborg} | amphi: I'm also reading the man page :-) |
| 20:27.54 | Deep6 | guys is it possible to convert a symlink into a regular file ? |
| 20:27.54 | stoned | Guerin, pissant as in Corky Ramano |
| 20:27.58 | stoned | get it |
| 20:28.02 | stoned | nevermind |
| 20:28.20 | Deep6 | ie to copy the sym linked file into the cwd? |
| 20:28.36 | Guerin | asg: i've got about 90% usage back |
| 20:28.50 | chekka | how can i search a channel for ldap support` |
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| 20:28.54 | chekka | ? |
| 20:29.11 | asg | Guerin: ah, glad you are on the mend |
| 20:29.19 | stoned | Guerin, I didn't you had gotten hurt |
| 20:29.20 | amphi | Deep6: make a hard link? |
| 20:29.28 | Deep6 | amphi: how do you go about doing that ? |
| 20:29.36 | amphi | Deep6: ln |
| 20:29.36 | stoned | Guerin, something bad happen on your tour? |
| 20:29.47 | Guerin | stoned: stupid gravity |
| 20:29.48 | [Gabe] | Hey guys..does anyone know of a program that i can use to start a python application that will make it utilize multiple CPUs on my debian server? |
| 20:29.48 | asg | Deep6: try cp $(readlink -f /path/to/symlink) /path/to/symlink |
| 20:29.59 | stoned | Guerin, ahh.. yes, it gets the best of us |
| 20:30.00 | amphi | Deep6: you can't make hard links across filesystems though |
| 20:30.11 | {cyborg} | Razva|: try iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 1000 -j REDIRECT --to-port 10000 |
| 20:30.18 | stoned | Guerin, one time I had to spend the night at my friends house. He told me I'd have to sleep on the floor |
| 20:30.27 | stoned | Guerin, damn gravity, got me again |
| 20:30.37 | stoned | Guerin, if he hadn't said anything, I might have slept on the wall |
| 20:30.38 | chekka | a search for a ldap channel |
| 20:30.48 | chekka | any idea? |
| 20:30.49 | amphi | {cyborg}: that makes more sense ;) |
| 20:30.56 | Deep6 | amphi: well, I'll tell you what I'm doing..... I'm using mairix (great program to search email) to search a large set of maildirs....it returns a new "maildir" composed of symlinks to all the search results |
| 20:31.01 | asg | chekka: #ldap |
| 20:31.18 | Deep6 | however I have to convert that into a standard maildir to change the perms and stuff |
| 20:31.33 | stoned | Guerin, although, I hope gravity (dev) didnt' beat you up or nothing hehehe |
| 20:31.36 | stoned | j/k |
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| 20:31.54 | asg | stoned: that gravity isn't in the wilds of Asia right now |
| 20:32.08 | stoned | i know, hence the j/k |
| 20:32.09 | stoned | :D |
| 20:32.34 | asg | *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* |
| 20:32.39 | stoned | I've been a victim of gravity more times than all of you here combined |
| 20:32.43 | stoned | I gaurantee it |
| 20:32.43 | chekka | asg: thx |
| 20:32.52 | stoned | 16 years of skateboarding, I've fallen countless times |
| 20:33.11 | Razva| | weeeeeeeeee |
| 20:33.16 | Razva| | I've just flushed all the iptables rules |
| 20:33.23 | Razva| | but forgot that doing that will lock me out |
| 20:33.31 | Razva| | is there ANYTHING I can do? :)) |
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| 20:33.57 | asg | Razva|: login at console |
| 20:34.20 | Razva| | well how can I do that because ipt is blocking ssh... |
| 20:34.22 | _halo` | ?? |
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| 20:35.27 | agney | how can I know what module eth0 is using ? |
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| 20:36.05 | asg | Razva|: physical console |
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| 20:36.49 | aarkerio | Hi! I have a simple script to change my wallpaper using "wmsetbg" command, I set in crontab but crontab is "out" of X |
| 20:36.54 | asg | agney: dmesg | grep eth0 should give you a clue |
| 20:37.10 | aarkerio | so I get "no display found" error message |
| 20:37.15 | dondelelcaro | aarkerio: you need to set DISPLAY in crontab appropriately, then |
| 20:37.23 | abrotman | will someone please fix that borked security.debian.org host? :) |
| 20:37.32 | aarkerio | ok, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 20:37.33 | Maulkin | abrotman: Details? |
| 20:37.38 | dondelelcaro | aarkerio: however, you probably should first figure out if your user is actually logged into X, and what the right display is |
| 20:37.40 | {cyborg} | Razva|: if the default policy is drop or reject you must have physical access to the box |
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| 20:37.48 | abrotman | Maulkin: borked! no workie! |
| 20:37.56 | Maulkin | !doesn't work |
| 20:37.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:37.58 | asg | abrotman: CTRL+C ; UP-ARROW ; Enter |
| 20:37.59 | Maulkin | :) |
| 20:38.04 | abrotman | Maulkin: i was just trying to run an update .. and it just stalls |
| 20:38.09 | abrotman | asg: i've been doing that for about five minutes |
| 20:38.14 | asg | abrotman: it just worked for me |
| 20:38.21 | Maulkin | abrotman: Come on! Give me something I can work with here! |
| 20:38.25 | scandrou | I got this error running make: http://pastebin.ca/93860 What can I start doing to debug ? |
| 20:38.28 | Maulkin | You should know better :) |
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| 20:38.38 | asg | Maulkin: one of the hosts in the pool is offline and he can't seem to hit the ones that are up |
| 20:38.41 | abrotman | Maulkin: it's one of the two IPs .. just keeps "Waiting for headers" |
| 20:39.05 | abrotman | to klecker i guess |
| 20:39.12 | asg | abrotman: you could just dig, find the working ip, and edit your sources |
| 20:39.18 | abrotman | asg: cheater! |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | Maulkin: i can trace to it .. i can't get the stinking headers |
| 20:39.51 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe it's a ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 20:40.00 | asg | abrotman: that still won't make me eat pumpkins |
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| 20:40.24 | abrotman | Maulkin: nm .. it might be PSU fucking up again |
| 20:40.29 | Maulkin | abrotman: It works for me. |
| 20:40.41 | abrotman | grr .. damn PSU |
| 20:40.50 | abrotman | i hope their nuclear reactor blows up |
| 20:41.00 | asg | abrotman: that would likely take you with it |
| 20:41.00 | Maulkin | Don't scare me like that :) |
| 20:41.03 | scandrou | asg: please, look at my paste and I ll give you half a pumpkin |
| 20:41.12 | asg | scandrou: link? |
| 20:41.14 | Maulkin | security.debian.org I can do something about, ftp.us.debian.org I can't |
| 20:41.29 | gokee2 | When trying to play a dvd in xine it fails and I get the message "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable." why does libdvdread not support my dvd? Is there another pkg I need? |
| 20:41.30 | abrotman | Maulkin: i realized it was getting all the security ones .. but the carroll.aset.psu.edu isn't responding |
| 20:41.34 | Maulkin | :) |
| 20:41.37 | scandrou | asg: http://pastebin.ca/93860 |
| 20:41.57 | scandrou | asg: using make to built a wifi driver |
| 20:42.03 | shining_ | gokee2: because css is patented |
| 20:42.06 | abrotman | Maulkin: which admittedly .. i should know better than to use psu .. i know some of the admins .. bags of water ... |
| 20:42.39 | gokee2 | shining_, Then what do I do to play the dvd? |
| 20:42.39 | Razva| | ok folks...see you tomorow after I have access to my box :) |
| 20:42.43 | Razva| | thanks for your time |
| 20:42.44 | asg | scandrou: apparently, why does it want to delete the files? |
| 20:42.58 | stoned | abrotman, evil man |
| 20:43.04 | asg | scandrou: if it should be doing that, make sure your user has write permissions to the parent directory as well as all the files. |
| 20:43.30 | shining_ | gokee2: a library for cracking css |
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| 20:43.53 | {cyborg} | Razva|: np |
| 20:43.54 | scandrou | asg: it shouldn t, this is the dir:http://rtl8180-sa2400.cvs.sourceforge.net/rtl8180-sa2400/rtl818x-newstack/ |
| 20:43.57 | gokee2 | shining_, And the name of that library would be? |
| 20:44.01 | dondelelcaro | ======= |
| 20:44.04 | shining_ | gokee2: libdvdcss |
| 20:44.12 | asg | gokee2: /msg dpkg css (get it from a country that doesn't give a turkey about silly US patents) |
| 20:44.29 | gokee2 | asg, shining_ Thanks |
| 20:44.42 | scandrou | asg: and the make file: http://rtl8180-sa2400.cvs.sourceforge.net/rtl8180-sa2400/rtl818x-newstack/Makefile?view=markup |
| 20:44.45 | asg | scandrou: I'd examine the Makefile to see exactly why it wants to delete things (or check the README that came with the source) |
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| 20:45.48 | De_Mon | I've been using perl & find for all my search and replace needs, but need a free GUI client for windows too -- any suggestions? |
| 20:45.58 | scandrou | asg: the read says to do make and the makefile is small and seems ok |
| 20:46.06 | streuner | dondelelcaro: the signs on your keyboard are the way you tell people something :-) |
| 20:46.15 | pipeline | De_Mon: perl and gnu find exist on windows, too, you know. |
| 20:46.27 | scandrou | asg: I have no clue why it is deleting all the files |
| 20:46.27 | De_Mon | pipeline hince the word 'GUI' |
| 20:46.48 | asg | De_Mon: perl has bindings for GTK and other toolkits you could use to write one |
| 20:47.04 | pipeline | De_Mon: ...and that's what TCL/Tk are for. Buy activestate TCL. |
| 20:47.04 | De_Mon | asg, no need to reinvent the wheel... |
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| 20:47.46 | asg | De_Mon: sometimes, building a better wheel (one with a beer holder) is more fun. |
| 20:47.59 | asg | De_Mon: long story short, I don't use Windows so can't help you there. |
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| 20:48.13 | pipeline | De_Mon: sometimes, when you're on a user-surly OS, you end up reinventing the wheel twice before lunch and you learn to like it. |
| 20:48.21 | pipeline | De_Mon: This isn't #windowsnt :P |
| 20:48.42 | scandrou | De_Mon: use ruby |
| 20:48.54 | streuner | s/signs/chars/ |
| 20:48.58 | De_Mon | pipeline ya, but the windowsNT people don't know what a global search and replace tool is, much less the power of regex |
| 20:49.04 | Maquiavelo | Hey guys, I'm using unstable, 2.6.17.6 kernel, with nvidia modules, everything is ok, I tried installing XGL and I'm getting the following error: no GLX available. Any idea? |
| 20:49.32 | {cyborg} | Maquiavelo: Load "glx" in the modules section of your xorg.conf |
| 20:49.34 | scandrou | asg: a whole pumpkin, please give me a clue |
| 20:49.40 | De_Mon | scandrou last I checked ruby was a language not a free search & replace gui tool for windows |
| 20:49.44 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: ask #nvidia .. and whereever they support XGl |
| 20:49.45 | Maquiavelo | {cyborg} Already did that, didn't work |
| 20:49.52 | Maquiavelo | Ah didn't know there was a channel |
| 20:49.54 | pipeline | De_Mon: Like we said, you're going to have to write this yourself. |
| 20:49.56 | asg | scandrou: sorry, I don't have a clue what the problem is. Maybe ##kernelnewbies knows |
| 20:50.07 | abrotman | asg: you never have answers! |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 20:50.28 | scandrou | abrotman: give me an answer please |
| 20:50.34 | asg | abrotman: I've had many answers today, just not one for the odd make issue and the global find and replace on Windows. |
| 20:50.49 | abrotman | scandrou: i don't know the problem |
| 20:50.50 | asg | abrotman: actually, I had answers to the latter, they just weren't well received |
| 20:50.54 | beardy | With a GUI, don't forget, it must have a gui. |
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| 20:51.03 | asg | abrotman: I'm on Miller Lite, I've still got to drive to the airport. |
| 20:51.33 | asg | beardy: I remember when 'Graphical' meant 'curses' |
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| 20:51.42 | scandrou | abrotman: this is the result of make: http://pastebin.ca/93860 |
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| 20:51.57 | streuner | dondelelcaro: How was vacation? |
| 20:51.58 | abrotman | asg: they stuck a thing on my cube .. "The Kibbitzer's Rule: It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem." |
| 20:52.17 | scandrou | abrotman: it shouldn t, this is the dir:http://rtl8180-sa2400.cvs.sourceforge.net/rtl8180-sa2400/rtl818x-newstack/ |
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| 20:52.35 | abrotman | scandrou: you probably put those files there as root and are trying to remove them as a normal user |
| 20:52.36 | beardy | asg: It still does! |
| 20:52.42 | abrotman | asg: come on .. you didn't see the $? |
| 20:52.56 | scandrou | abrotman: the make file: http://rtl8180-sa2400.cvs.sourceforge.net/rtl8180-sa2400/rtl818x-newstack/Makefile?view=markup |
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| 20:53.08 | asg | abrotman: that he's running make as a non-root user? |
| 20:53.23 | abrotman | scandrou: ls -l /usr/local/rtl818x-newstack/AUTHORS |
| 20:53.24 | scandrou | abrotman: why would that make file delete anything? |
| 20:54.02 | bernie | anyone can say me how to configure apt for didn't update bind9 pkg from debian, but from another source ? |
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| 20:54.10 | abrotman | scandrou: well .. if you do a make clean it will remove stuff |
| 20:54.11 | scandrou | -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 38 2005-06-06 20:59 /usr/local/rtl818x-newstack/AUTHORS |
| 20:54.18 | asg | bernie: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:54.24 | bernie | ok asg |
| 20:54.40 | asg | abrotman: I already told him to make sure his user owned it. |
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| 20:54.57 | scandrou | abrotman: i didn t do make clean, if i do make as root it deletes everything and says: error2 |
| 20:54.59 | abrotman | scandrou: the only lines i see for make clean are to remove a scrap folder and the compiled binaries |
| 20:55.22 | bernie | big thx asg |
| 20:55.23 | abrotman | scandrou: the make file you're using is EXACTLY the same as that one ? |
| 20:55.28 | asg | bernie: you're welcome |
| 20:55.29 | scandrou | abrotman: so why does it delete everything ? |
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| 20:55.51 | saudi | hello |
| 20:55.52 | scandrou | abrotman: dowloaded via cvs from sourceforge, yes |
| 20:56.08 | abrotman | scandrou: paste the contents of `ls -l` |
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| 20:57.10 | asg | abrotman: backticks are deprecated :p |
| 20:57.16 | saudi | is there any guid or a how to for develping a debian based distro on debian graphical installer?? |
| 20:57.20 | scandrou | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/93887 |
| 20:57.52 | abrotman | asg: i know .. old habit :) |
| 20:58.18 | abrotman | scandrou: now paste THAT Makefile |
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| 20:58.32 | abrotman | and wtf is a file named 'a' ? |
| 20:59.14 | asg | abrotman: a.out without the .out? |
| 20:59.30 | abrotman | no .. it's actualy a file |
| 20:59.33 | asg | abrotman: I know, I still use ps -ef |
| 20:59.36 | abrotman | http://rtl8180-sa2400.cvs.sourceforge.net/rtl8180-sa2400/rtl818x-newstack/a?view=log |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | asg: you're evil! |
| 21:00.20 | abrotman | scandrou: eh .. their cvs looks really messed up |
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| 21:00.48 | scandrou | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/93894 |
| 21:01.43 | scandrou | abrotman: I downloaded the tar.gz with same result :( |
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| 21:02.32 | abrotman | scandrou: is this on a sarge box? |
| 21:02.37 | abrotman | scandrou: and is it on the intarweb? |
| 21:03.13 | anapivirtua | Nighty all. |
| 21:03.16 | scandrou | abrotman: yes, debian unstablee |
| 21:03.23 | abrotman | sarge is not unstable |
| 21:03.50 | scandrou | true |
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| 21:04.01 | abrotman | scandrou: so which version of debian ? |
| 21:04.08 | abrotman | scandrou: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:04.28 | Maquiavelo | :~( no answer in #nvidia. |
| 21:04.46 | abrotman | wait .. be patient |
| 21:04.50 | Maquiavelo | Anyone has come across the no GLX visuals available error using nvidia module? |
| 21:04.50 | scandrou | Linux scandrou 2.6.17-1-486 #1 Mon Jul 17 12:08:11 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:04.55 | abrotman | scandrou: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:05.14 | abrotman | asg: is your laptop on sid ? |
| 21:05.18 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 21:05.26 | scandrou | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:05.30 | abrotman | asg: md5sum `which make` |
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| 21:05.36 | abrotman | scandrou: md5sum `which make` |
| 21:05.38 | asg | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 21:05.54 | asg | bobbitt box? |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | asg: maybe his box has been compromised? |
| 21:06.32 | abrotman | though .. why would you change make .. |
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| 21:07.02 | abrotman | though .. why would you compromise a box ... |
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| 21:07.19 | Innu | What i need to install, to use ifconfig and glxgears? |
| 21:07.21 | scandrou | abrotman: 0cf877f87cf1c0ad99a254c351e7d933 /usr/bin/make |
| 21:07.35 | abrotman | Innu: on sarge or etch/sid ? |
| 21:07.41 | asg | abrotman: that's sid's make |
| 21:07.42 | abrotman | ifconfig should already be there |
| 21:07.51 | abrotman | asg: your md5 matches his ? |
| 21:07.52 | Innu | sid |
| 21:07.55 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 21:08.12 | asg | Innu: ls -l /sbin/ifconfig (and man 5 interfaces) |
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| 21:08.23 | abrotman | scandrou: you're going to have to contact the author of that package |
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| 21:08.34 | abrotman | scandrou: i see no reason why it shuld be doing that(unless you want me to start reading C) |
| 21:08.45 | abrotman | Innu: glxgears is in mesa0utils or something like that |
| 21:08.48 | abrotman | mesa-utils |
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| 21:08.55 | Innu | ok, thx |
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| 21:09.23 | kudlate | ;] |
| 21:09.29 | scandrou | abrotman: I have been kicked out of #c for asking :( |
| 21:09.42 | abrotman | scandrou: ask the author of the program you downloaded |
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| 21:10.05 | scandrou | abrotman: will do, thanks and good night all |
| 21:11.25 | nima | how do i get stuff to stop messing with /etc/mailcap? |
| 21:11.37 | nima | i tried chmod 444, it didnt work |
| 21:11.58 | Innu | When i try to start volume controller (audio), ill get error: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory). What package is missing? |
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| 21:12.37 | nima | Innu, is gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 21:13.00 | Innu | yes |
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| 21:13.36 | pipeline | nima, Innu : g-v-m is for auto-mounting things you plug in, not for audio. |
| 21:13.50 | nima | hahaha |
| 21:14.08 | nima | i just picked the closest sounding package :-P |
| 21:14.57 | nima | Innu, try starting gnome-volume-control from command line |
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| 21:16.33 | Innu | got it |
| 21:16.38 | Innu | needed to install gnome-media |
| 21:16.41 | nima | ok |
| 21:16.49 | nima | cool |
| 21:17.22 | quiet | can anyone tell me what this thing is that i see dring bootup about ERROR: failed to load hw_random.... something... too fast to catch. |
| 21:18.51 | jplibre | What are some ways to clear out the ip_conntrack table? |
| 21:19.07 | jplibre | I can send RST packets to the tuples in question, but that seems kind of brute force to me |
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| 21:19.41 | shining_ | quiet: ignore that |
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| 21:20.04 | quiet | heh...ok. |
| 21:20.05 | jplibre | It also is not really that big a deal to have 5000 entries in there, but I would like to clear it out from time to time (only 350 bytes per entry, not a big deal when you have 4gb on the firewall in question |
| 21:20.06 | shining_ | quiet: many ppl have this, it's harmless. though you can maybe prevent it to even try |
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| 21:20.48 | shining_ | quiet: by blacklisting this module or something. but it isn't even needed. it's doesn't even take a long time |
| 21:21.05 | quiet | okay. |
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| 21:21.50 | wam | is the maintainer of thunderbird-locale-de here? |
| 21:22.14 | jplibre | sprachen si deutsch? |
| 21:22.16 | streuner | pretty unusual |
| 21:22.25 | streuner | jplibre: /msg dpkg de |
| 21:22.27 | jplibre | that is misspelled, bad germon |
| 21:22.30 | wam | could have been a fast solution to my problem ;) |
| 21:22.32 | streuner | german |
| 21:22.38 | jplibre | german :) |
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| 21:22.47 | jplibre | see, I misspell deutsch even in english |
| 21:23.20 | streuner | wam: what's the problem? :-) |
| 21:23.54 | wam | is it usually ok to write an email with the question about why the maintainer isn't updating a package to the maintainer? Or should I use debians bugtracking? |
| 21:24.16 | gokee2 | Where should I go to find a non-us non-free debian source? google does not seem to want to tell me |
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| 21:25.53 | streuner | gokee2: /msg dpkg non-us |
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| 21:26.57 | gokee2 | streuner, That seems to only have a woody source.. I wantch etch or sid |
| 21:27.02 | gokee2 | want* |
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| 21:27.31 | streuner | well, you don't unterstand the factoid then :-) |
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| 21:30.38 | abrotman | gokee2: there is no more non-us |
| 21:30.45 | streuner | non-us is history since sarge |
| 21:30.45 | abrotman | !tell gokee2 about non-free |
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| 21:30.54 | gokee2 | streuner, Then where is libdvdcss? |
| 21:31.01 | abrotman | not in debian .. at all |
| 21:31.05 | stoned | !dmm |
| 21:31.05 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 21:31.05 | abrotman | !tell gokee2 about marillat |
| 21:31.07 | stoned | its there |
| 21:31.11 | stoned | libdvdcss2 |
| 21:32.43 | gokee2 | ah thanks |
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| 21:38.11 | streuner | non-us was pretty stupid, because who think that you don't get any crypto software in i-net?... |
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| 21:39.47 | stoned | what I don't understand is this.. my local network won't transfer faster than 500-600kb/s |
| 21:40.04 | stoned | I mean its a 10Mbps lan, it should AT LEAST go at like 1mb/s at leat |
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| 21:40.24 | stoned | more fucking work for me goddamit |
| 21:45.42 | quiet | stoned, are you sure you're not confusing Mb with MB and KB with Kb ?? |
| 21:46.19 | quiet | because 500-600 KB is about 4.5 Mb.... |
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| 21:47.43 | DerJamster | Well, 10mbit = 1.25 MB/sec. |
| 21:48.08 | DerJamster | So yeah, it should go about 1 megabyte a sec. |
| 21:48.28 | DerJamster | However, it also depends on the quality of the NIC and the system's bus in general. |
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| 21:49.12 | mwe | is there a way to mount a root partition with reiserfs ro so you can run reiserfsck on it? yes I know maybe reiserfs wasn't the best choise. |
| 21:49.48 | mwe | I don't have any external drives or cdrom/dvd |
| 21:49.56 | Eulex | mwe, remount ro? |
| 21:50.10 | mwe | Eulex: it tells me the fs is busy |
| 21:50.20 | beardy | mwe: Can't you plug one in? |
| 21:50.24 | Eulex | -o remount ro |
| 21:50.35 | Eulex | to the mount command |
| 21:50.44 | mwe | beardy: I wish I had one. it's laptop so I would need an usb drive |
| 21:50.47 | Eulex | but well, if that doesn't work, you're pretty SOL |
| 21:50.49 | DerJamster | Eulex: won't work if any files are opened, methinks. |
| 21:50.57 | Eulex | DerJamster, oh |
| 21:51.00 | beardy | mwe: No floppy? |
| 21:51.02 | DerJamster | and I bet lsof is screaming 'omg files' |
| 21:51.04 | mwe | no :( |
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| 21:51.14 | mwe | ibm x40 |
| 21:51.21 | DerJamster | no usb? |
| 21:51.25 | DerJamster | nothing at all? |
| 21:51.25 | mwe | yes |
| 21:51.30 | mwe | usb |
| 21:51.33 | DerJamster | well |
| 21:51.36 | Guerin | ibm++ |
| 21:51.38 | Eulex | DerJamster, well, can't you force it, like the kernel does when you get write errors on the disk (yeah, I've gotten such) |
| 21:51.38 | azeem | mwe: the x40 can netboot |
| 21:51.42 | mwe | but I don't have a usb drive |
| 21:51.44 | DerJamster | get a Linux (DSL) that boots from usb :> |
| 21:51.47 | DerJamster | only need a stick. |
| 21:51.49 | Eulex | though it might be dangerous... |
| 21:51.54 | azeem | hrm, /me reads scrollback for the problem before giving solutions |
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| 21:52.14 | paccer | Can someone help me downgrading my xorg from 7.0 to 6.9? - im having problems figuring out how my /etc/apt/preferences should look like.. i've read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin and searched google etc. - my current configuration looks like this: http://upload.paccer.dk/uploaded/preferences.txt (but its all wrong :/) |
| 21:52.16 | mwe | DerJamster: Yeah a usb stick maybe. I was thinking about that too |
| 21:52.17 | beardy | !rube goldberg fsck |
| 21:52.17 | DerJamster | azeem: wants to fsck /, can't mount it readonly tho, and has no flloppy/cd drive |
| 21:52.18 | Eulex | mwe, not even a cd driver? |
| 21:52.25 | leafers | ok i tried xf86config that ran |
| 21:52.28 | Eulex | drive |
| 21:52.29 | mwe | Eulex: no. only a hdd |
| 21:52.32 | DerJamster | mwe: check out Damn SMall Linux or SLax. They should be small enough |
| 21:52.37 | beardy | !drxx leafers |
| 21:52.37 | dpkg | leafers: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:52.38 | leafers | but i still only have 800 x 600 |
| 21:52.40 | Guerin | wtf |
| 21:52.45 | DerJamster | mwe: alternatively, ttylinux, wich is only 5MB :D |
| 21:52.57 | Eulex | !xf86config |
| 21:52.57 | dpkg | somebody said xf86config was a good way to break Debian's X configuration. If you've not done it, ask me about "troubleshooting x". If you have, ask me about "x md5sum". |
| 21:52.59 | Guerin | if you want to fsck /, boot withj init=/bin/sh |
| 21:53.01 | mwe | yeah that's small :) |
| 21:53.15 | Eulex | leafers, ^^ |
| 21:53.19 | DerJamster | hmmh, true. Change init. |
| 21:53.28 | leafers | xfree86 not installed |
| 21:53.28 | mwe | Guerin: that would make it ro as well? |
| 21:53.35 | leafers | xserver not installed |
| 21:53.57 | Guerin | mwe: i think so,.. If not, it's trivial to remount. |
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| 21:54.06 | beardy | leafers: then how do you expect to configure it. |
| 21:54.07 | beardy | !install x |
| 21:54.07 | dpkg | i heard install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 21:54.16 | leafers | i ran dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 21:54.32 | mwe | Guerin: maybe because now it tells me it's busy when I try to remount ro. I'll try. thanks a lot |
| 21:54.42 | leafers | with both xfree86 and xserver |
| 21:55.20 | beardy | leafers: read above |
| 21:55.53 | leafers | well how do i get higher resoulutions |
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| 21:56.03 | leafers | can i download the driver |
| 21:56.15 | chekka | hey, I have some ntfs partitions I mounted, now I want to read them as user, what option should I use? |
| 21:56.18 | leafers | for my video card |
| 21:56.52 | leafers | is !install x a terminal command? |
| 21:57.01 | beardy | leafers: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' as root |
| 21:57.13 | beardy | !dpkgbot |
| 21:57.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 21:57.24 | jetscreamer | yes abrotman, your forgetful senile father |
| 21:57.24 | beardy | bah.. |
| 21:57.26 | petemc | chekka: mount them with -o umask=022 |
| 21:57.27 | abrotman | HI |
| 21:57.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: mom wants the child support! |
| 21:58.02 | paccer | I've already asked once, some time ago.. but no reply: - Can someone help me downgrading my xorg from 7.0 to 6.9? - im having problems figuring out how my /etc/apt/preferences should look like.. i've read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin and searched google etc. - my current configuration looks like this: http://upload.paccer.dk/uploaded/preferences.txt (but its all wrong :/) |
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| 21:58.05 | jetscreamer | get paid! (i already paid her 1,000,000 quatloos) |
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| 21:58.19 | linux2 | im having issues with alsa |
| 21:58.25 | linux2 | im trying to build from source |
| 21:58.28 | linux2 | and it keeps failing |
| 21:58.36 | waiting | linux2: which source? |
| 21:58.36 | beardy | !wayc linux2 |
| 21:58.36 | dpkg | linux2: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 21:58.43 | linux2 | it says "invalid module format" when i load |
| 21:58.46 | jetscreamer | paccer: jsut out of curiosity, why are you doing this |
| 21:58.57 | azeem | paccer: downgrades are not supported |
| 21:58.59 | linux2 | beardy, because i need latest alsa to get my sound card to work at all |
| 21:59.17 | linux2 | waiting, hey again (if your the same person) |
| 21:59.19 | paccer | jetscreamer: i am installing xgl - which is having problems with 7.0 on debian |
| 21:59.21 | linux2 | i had it working |
| 21:59.24 | waiting | linux2: I am :) |
| 21:59.25 | chekka | petemc: thank you very much |
| 21:59.25 | jetscreamer | ah no idea |
| 21:59.27 | linux2 | but had to format to fix some useless then |
| 21:59.28 | linux2 | thing |
| 21:59.30 | linux2 | and now |
| 21:59.32 | linux2 | its not working |
| 21:59.38 | linux2 | not matter how many times i compile |
| 21:59.40 | waiting | linux2: I remember now. ah same error |
| 21:59.48 | linux2 | although alsa is quiet as hell |
| 21:59.59 | linux2 | compared to how nice this laptop sounds using its windows drivers |
| 22:00.09 | waiting | ... ;:) |
| 22:00.18 | paccer | azeem: what do you mean downgrades is not supported? - if you pin something, set its priority to more than 1000 and run an apt-get dist-upgrade - it should downgrade it to the version you've selected |
| 22:00.37 | leafers | what is video bus identifier? |
| 22:00.37 | beardy | paccer: That was not the point. |
| 22:00.48 | beardy | leafers: Hit Enter. |
| 22:00.51 | azeem | paccer: dpkg will downgrade it, but the package maintenance scripts likely will not support it |
| 22:00.52 | paccer | beardy: Then i missed the point |
| 22:01.06 | azeem | paccer: plus, xorg 6.9->7.0 was a major transition |
| 22:01.27 | azeem | paccer: i.e. things will most probably break |
| 22:01.30 | paccer | i have to run 6.9 to run xgl at the moment |
| 22:01.33 | leafers | what is 32mb in kb? |
| 22:01.42 | paccer | but xgl also requires etch |
| 22:02.10 | beardy | paccer: Sometimes you can downgrade, but things will often break, mixing stable/testing/unstable is not something most people want to give their time to in here. |
| 22:02.24 | paccer | beardy: cant i just remove xorg and reinstall then? |
| 22:02.26 | azeem | or xgl, for that matter |
| 22:02.42 | beardy | paccer: xgl is not in Debian AFAIK. |
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| 22:03.09 | paccer | beardy: xgl will run fine on debian if i meet the requirements |
| 22:03.15 | Fare | whoa, massive kernel instability, corrupted metadata, etc. |
| 22:03.20 | beardy | paccer: Again, not the point. |
| 22:03.24 | paccer | beardy: http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 22:03.27 | waiting | Fare: version? |
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| 22:03.40 | paccer | beardy: are you asking me to change distribution then? |
| 22:03.49 | Fare | all suddenly, using linux 2.6.16.9 with swsusp2 |
| 22:03.54 | paccer | beardy: guess im missing your point |
| 22:04.00 | Fare | it has worked for weeks without problem |
| 22:04.04 | waiting | Fare: un-nice :/ |
| 22:04.31 | Fare | might or might not be related to cryptoloop swap and root |
| 22:05.09 | Fare | and the kernel ends up just rebooting. |
| 22:05.10 | waiting | you are encrypting ^^ that's illegal ;:D |
| 22:05.20 | Fare | waiting: not yet |
| 22:06.03 | abrotman | paccer: we're telling you that xgl is not currently in debian .. which makes it awful hard for anyone to help you with it |
| 22:06.24 | paccer | abrotman: guess im on my own then |
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| 22:07.25 | abrotman | sng: help me get to the bar! |
| 22:07.27 | mwe | I got reiserfsck to work by booting with init=/bin/sh ro |
| 22:07.44 | sng | abrotman: Would if I could, brother. |
| 22:08.10 | sng | abrotman: I built something cool today! |
| 22:08.30 | mwe | there is no way of converting to another fs short of reformatting is there? |
| 22:08.48 | azeem | mwe: backup+restore |
| 22:09.19 | mwe | yeah :| |
| 22:09.50 | mwe | I really need to but an extarnal drive |
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| 22:11.39 | abrotman | sng: does it wear makeup? |
| 22:11.51 | linux2 | FATAL: Error inserting snd_page_alloc (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686-smp/updates/alsa/acore/snd-page-alloc.ko): Invalid module format |
| 22:11.55 | linux2 | how do i fix that? |
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| 22:12.36 | stew | linux2: the module was compiled with a incompatibly different gcc version than the kernel you're trying to insert it into |
| 22:13.08 | stew | linux2: "cat /proc/version" will tell you the gcc version you should be using |
| 22:13.18 | abrotman | linux2: cat /proc/version && gcc -version |
| 22:14.05 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:14.05 | dpkg | methinks buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 22:14.11 | linux2 | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060613 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-5) |
| 22:14.27 | linux2 | 4.0.3 20060212 |
| 22:14.31 | abrotman | see |
| 22:14.39 | linux2 | so how do i fix that? |
| 22:14.51 | azeem | use gcc-4.1 to build alsa |
| 22:15.01 | Fare | when you face such unstability, what's your attitude? upgrade the kernel and hope it works? |
| 22:15.06 | linux2 | azeem, im using m-a |
| 22:15.10 | linux2 | or module assistant |
| 22:15.19 | Fare | (ok, first thing: backup) |
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| 22:15.39 | azeem | linux2: try to export CC=gcc-4.1 before you call m-a |
| 22:15.41 | stew | linux2: export the CC and HOSTCC env variables having them point to /usr/bin/gcc4.1 |
| 22:15.52 | azeem | linux2: if that doesn't work, read the m-a documentation |
| 22:15.55 | stew | (HOSTCC is probably not necessary) |
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| 22:29.34 | phogg | I have a question about cloning a system package state via dpkg --set-selections. What happens if some of the packages from the source system are not installable due to dependency conflicts? Example: My old system still has qt2 libs despite also having xorg7. qt2 libs depend on xfree4.3 packages and refuse to install on my new system without removing xorg. If I set selections on my new etch system to the state from my old system and tell |
| 22:29.34 | phogg | , what happens? Will it break partway through? Will it succeed in what is effectively a downgrade for a lot of packages? Or do I need to start with a fresh potato install so everything is an upgrade? |
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| 22:30.17 | linux2 | stew, it won't work |
| 22:30.39 | linux2 | stew, cause build essentials download gcc4.1 |
| 22:30.41 | linux2 | by defualt |
| 22:31.08 | azeem | linux2: so why doesn't it work? |
| 22:31.23 | linux2 | because i need to build with gcc4.0.3 |
| 22:31.40 | azeem | so install that |
| 22:31.45 | linux2 | i removed gcc4.1 |
| 22:31.48 | ktwilight | there's only python 2.4.1-2 available in sarge, is it possible to upgrade? manually? |
| 22:31.52 | azeem | linux2: why? |
| 22:31.55 | ktwilight | without breaking anything of course |
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| 22:32.03 | linux2 | but it needs build essentials |
| 22:32.08 | linux2 | so what the hell |
| 22:32.15 | azeem | linux2: we told you to export CC |
| 22:32.17 | stew | linux2: aptitude install gcc-4.0 |
| 22:32.25 | azeem | nobody said you should remove any gccs |
| 22:32.36 | stew | linux2: then export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 ; m-a a-i... |
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| 22:32.44 | Eduardo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.59 | azeem | linux2: are you running unstable? |
| 22:33.10 | linux2 | etch |
| 22:34.11 | Johnny_5 | how hard would it be to use an rpm in debian? |
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| 22:34.27 | Johnny_5 | i'm tryin' to get limewire if its possible...... |
| 22:34.44 | farous | Johnny_5: you do not need rpm fo rthat |
| 22:34.45 | azeem | Johnny_5: use alien on it, if you must |
| 22:34.46 | Johnny_5 | well looking into it anyway.... |
| 22:34.55 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 22:35.04 | Johnny_5 | where would i find that? |
| 22:35.19 | farous | Johnny_5: download the others package and extract and use directly no installation req |
| 22:35.22 | linux2 | ok still no luck |
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| 22:41.54 | Tallu | Ok I got to the point where I edit the raminitfs but I dont really know how to edit it. :P Damn it, maybe I'd just be better off reinstalling |
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| 22:45.51 | wawowe_ | anyone know of a way i can kill a tty and/or logout a user using ssh? |
| 22:46.02 | DrCurl | is there a place where I can find a list of the packages include in the debian-multimedia repo? |
| 22:46.37 | ktwilight | kill the process maybe? |
| 22:47.13 | wawowe_ | DrCurl, www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:47.24 | wawowe_ | i can't kill it |
| 22:47.37 | SubStack | login as root first |
| 22:47.44 | phogg | wawowe_: kill the users ssh process |
| 22:47.49 | phogg | or their shell |
| 22:47.52 | SubStack | or su or sudo |
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| 22:48.43 | wawowe_ | i am using ssh, the process has locked my other computer |
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| 22:48.53 | petemc | wawowe_: apt-get install slay |
| 22:49.21 | SubStack | kill `pgrep -u user` appears to work |
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| 22:49.30 | Sebo | Hi |
| 22:50.28 | Sebo | Is there anyone who knows some good software for CCTV ;> |
| 22:51.03 | DrCurl | wawowe_: there is no information about the available packages on the web site :( |
| 22:51.12 | petemc | Sebo: motion |
| 22:51.44 | wawowe_ | the process # doesn't appear when i ps aux and the user is doing other things that i don't want to start over |
| 22:52.14 | petemc | wawowe_: pstree might be useful |
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| 22:53.33 | Sebo | petemc: Thx... I'll se what it is :) |
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| 22:56.05 | xored | i could mount with fuseftp he mounts with no error, but the directory is empty...any clue ? |
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| 23:12.01 | wawowe | thanks for the help |
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| 23:14.27 | Ronin | wawowe: a slight hint if you dont mind, patience on irc rules :) |
| 23:17.26 | wawowe | :) |
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| 23:19.44 | wawowe | it's http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists btw |
| 23:19.58 | waiting | indeed |
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| 23:24.24 | nefertum | i cannot remove a package, dpkg gives me an error, how can I force to remove it? |
| 23:24.40 | stoned | what is the error |
| 23:24.48 | stoned | nefertum, try apt-get -f install first |
| 23:24.53 | nefertum | is with eric, python ide |
| 23:24.56 | nefertum | mmm, i'll |
| 23:25.09 | phogg | I wish there were a way to say "apt-get install foo (but don't worry about depending on xfree86-common, I swear I have something even better)" |
| 23:25.24 | nefertum | it's a python error |
| 23:25.35 | stoned | nefertum, that tells me nothing |
| 23:25.47 | nefertum | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 23:25.58 | stoned | nefertum, paste entire output here |
| 23:25.58 | phogg | nefertum: scroll up for the actual error |
| 23:26.04 | stoned | !paster nefertum |
| 23:26.04 | dpkg | nefertum: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:26.18 | nefertum | ok stoned |
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| 23:26.39 | Ronin | hey stoned hows it goin eh? |
| 23:26.43 | stoned | hi |
| 23:26.45 | stoned | its going |
| 23:26.49 | stoned | I'm trying to go with it |
| 23:26.54 | Ronin | couldnt resist :) |
| 23:27.38 | nefertum | here you are, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3199 |
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| 23:30.04 | stoned | ok |
| 23:31.10 | waiting | oO |
| 23:31.38 | waiting | I always feel somehow silly if I put shellcode under GPL |
| 23:32.40 | p0t | where are the apache logs located? |
| 23:32.43 | nvz | heh, well shell scripting is a still code, and python, perl..etc could be considered shells |
| 23:32.59 | waiting | nvz: yes, of course you are right. it _is_ code |
| 23:33.02 | petemc | p0t: /var/log/apache/ |
| 23:33.40 | waiting | but the GPL comment header looks crappy with "#" comments ^^ |
| 23:33.55 | nvz | I am finally taking the time to learn perl right now... I used to use bash for most everything on my system.. and I liked python.. but its seeming to me now that python is like for kiddies and once you grow up you learn perl :P |
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| 23:34.32 | waiting | I cannot compare python to peral. the approaches are too different |
| 23:34.46 | waiting | "peral is worse than python because people wanted it worse" -- wall |
| 23:34.53 | waiting | s/peral/pearl/ |
| 23:34.56 | stoned | nefertum, I dunno, sorry |
| 23:35.07 | nefertum | ok stoned , dont worry :) |
| 23:35.21 | stoned | i checked the package for bugs, not found any |
| 23:35.40 | nefertum | and there is no way to remove it from package db? |
| 23:35.41 | stoned | what does apt-get -f install do |
| 23:35.45 | nefertum | i was making an upgrade... |
| 23:35.49 | nefertum | and i cannot follow with it |
| 23:35.56 | nefertum | because this package |
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| 23:36.02 | stoned | '!enter |
| 23:36.06 | stoned | !enter |
| 23:36.06 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 23:36.09 | nefertum | with apt-get install -f i have the same error |
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| 23:36.36 | nefertum | mmm, ok, sorry |
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| 23:38.45 | Wyzard | I have a question about proper use of a system's "hostname"... |
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| 23:39.02 | Wyzard | I want to set up a server, running sarge, that will be known as "test.example.com" on the network |
| 23:39.28 | Wyzard | The installer asks me to provide a hostname and domain name for the system, so I provide "test" and "example.com" respectively |
| 23:40.16 | Wyzard | In the resulting installed system, /etc/hosts contains a line that says "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost test", and "example.com" is not mentioned in any file anywhere on the system except the log left behind by the installer |
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| 23:40.48 | Wyzard | The "hostname" command returns "test", but "hostname --short" returns "localhost" and "hostname --fqdn" returns "localhost.localdomain" |
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| 23:41.33 | Wyzard | I know a system's idea of its own hostname isn't necessarily tied to how it's known in DNS, but this does not seem right to me |
| 23:41.39 | homefront | hello all ? what s involed in making my window workstations file share though my web/file server running debain? |
| 23:42.10 | killown | I create channel but when I try enter it say * # :Cannot join channel (Reserved for services) |
| 23:42.12 | killown | why? |
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| 23:42.26 | petemc | homefront: configuring samba |
| 23:42.28 | opee2 | hey everyone |
| 23:42.29 | Wyzard | killown: That channel name is reserved, apparently -- try a different name |
| 23:42.41 | stoned | $>ping desktop.letme.getmyip.com > 64 bytes from desktop (192.168.1.2) |
| 23:42.41 | stoned | $>ping laptop.letme.getmyip.com > 64 bytes from laptop (192.168.1.3) |
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| 23:42.48 | homefront | petemc: thanks |
| 23:42.57 | killown | Wyzard but I has created this channel |
| 23:43.02 | opee2 | i need help with a linksys wireless usb adapter on debian 2.6 |
| 23:43.07 | stoned | Wyzard, you mean you want to accomplish something of the sort like I pasted |
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| 23:43.42 | Wyzard | stoned: No, I'm fine with setting up DNS -- that's one of my next tasks -- but I'm concerned about the system's idea of its own hostname, independent of DNS |
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| 23:43.56 | stoned | Wyzard, I don't have dns running |
| 23:44.28 | Wyzard | stoned: You have those "letme.getmyip.com" names in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 23:44.38 | stoned | yes |
| 23:44.52 | Wyzard | but those are for other systems, not the current one |
| 23:45.10 | waiting | Wyzard: all is one system |
| 23:45.15 | waiting | Wyzard: and stalin rules it |
| 23:45.18 | stoned | lol |
| 23:45.19 | waiting | Wyzard: m/ |
| 23:45.25 | Wyzard | I have two main concerns, I guess |
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| 23:46.11 | Wyzard | The first is: what is the purpose of a system having a configured-in FQDN (in the sense of what "hostname --fqdn" is supposed to return) that's not necessarily related to DNS, and there can be multiple FQDNs that resolve to the host anyway? |
| 23:46.41 | Wyzard | Second, after installing sarge, why is /etc/hosts set up sot hat my FQDN is always "localhost.localdomain" and the hostname I chose ("test" or whatever) is an alias for it? |
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| 23:46.59 | opee2 | can someone help me with a wireless setup of linsys adapter on debian 2.6? |
| 23:47.21 | stoned | there is a debian 2.6? |
| 23:47.34 | waiting | Wyzard: I have not installed recently enough to say if that behavior is the case or has changed from the past or not |
| 23:47.41 | stoned | except before sarge |
| 23:47.49 | SubStack | opee2, it's usually more productive to ask specific questions |
| 23:47.53 | stoned | !ask |
| 23:47.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 23:48.15 | stoned | follow/use those guidelines for asking your question |
| 23:48.28 | waiting | Wyzard: is the domainname you provided mentioned as "domainname" or "search" setting in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:49.15 | opee2 | ok i have connected the usb linksys wireless adapter and it showsup in the usbusbview |
| 23:49.18 | opee2 | oops |
| 23:50.21 | Wyzard | waiting: "search localdomain"... there's no domainname line |
| 23:50.34 | nvz | stoned: yes, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-i386.deb ;) |
| 23:50.44 | stoned | thats not debian 2.6 |
| 23:50.49 | stoned | thats the kernel |
| 23:50.53 | stoned | and why am I telling you this |
| 23:50.55 | waiting | Wyzard: in the resolv.conf there is "search localdomain"? now, that really does not look 100% right |
| 23:51.00 | nvz | stoned: who knows |
| 23:51.05 | stoned | nvz, quit playing man |
| 23:51.05 | nvz | stoned: because you are stoned? |
| 23:51.05 | stoned | :) |
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| 23:51.12 | stoned | not for another few weeks |
| 23:51.17 | stoned | still havn't taken that goddamn piss test |
| 23:51.23 | opee2 | huh? |
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| 23:51.37 | nvz | heh |
| 23:51.43 | Wyzard | waiting: This is out-of-the-box sarge, right after installation |
| 23:52.02 | nvz | stoned: Yeah well they dont piss test to be a looser, so I dont have to worry :P |
| 23:52.09 | opee2 | but i cant get the connection to show up under networking |
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| 23:52.16 | waiting | Wyzard: and you have been asked by the installer to provide a "domain name" explicitly? (sorry, I really am out of touch with the installer) |
| 23:52.24 | shadow98 | are there any good IPS packages for linux |
| 23:52.34 | waiting | Wyzard: and you did not say "localdomain" or press <enter>? |
| 23:52.37 | Wyzard | waiting: It asks for hostname and domain name, with the defaults being "debian" and (IIRC) "localdomain" |
| 23:52.45 | Wyzard | waiting: I entered "test" and "example.com" |
| 23:52.49 | waiting | Wyzard: I see |
| 23:53.05 | nvz | stoned: I wear what looks like a suit to work, but the damn tie is velcro in the back so that is a looser as far as I am concerned :P |
| 23:53.07 | waiting | Wyzard: now, that's _wrong_ then .) |
| 23:53.29 | spundun_ | hi ... is java 5 available through debian? what is the cleanest way to install java 5 for usage with eclipse? |
| 23:53.37 | stoned | nvz, dude, no man, its all good |
| 23:53.50 | stoned | nvz, we must make do with what we got, there is no shame in poverty/low funds |
| 23:53.57 | stoned | fuck the assholes who look down on us |
| 23:54.15 | nvz | stoned: poverty? shit .. I'd have to save up to be poor at this point ;P |
| 23:54.19 | stoned | lol |
| 23:54.26 | stoned | same boat man, same boat |
| 23:54.31 | stoned | :/ |
| 23:54.35 | waiting | :) |
| 23:55.02 | opee2 | so how do i get kwifi to detect the interface? |
| 23:55.06 | stoned | nvz, so you at least scored a job where you have to wear that suit looking thing |
| 23:55.11 | stoned | nvz, looks like you're doing alright |
| 23:55.12 | nvz | my credit card company has been offering me a blank check to buy a car all summer.. but I dont really want to take em up on it when I probably cant afford to stay ahead of the interest much less afford the insurance, gas..etc |
| 23:55.19 | stoned | nvz, I can't even make rent money this month :( |
| 23:55.25 | stoned | nvz, I'll probably have to sell stuff |
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| 23:55.42 | nvz | stoned: yeah well I cant even make mine for last month.. which is why I said I'd have to save up to be poor :P |
| 23:56.01 | nvz | stoned: been sitting here filling out applications online |
| 23:56.02 | stoned | well good thing is, I only have to pay 300 |
| 23:56.07 | stoned | instead of 600 |
| 23:56.19 | stoned | nvz, I got a roommate now, so at least the burden is somewhat less now |
| 23:56.33 | nvz | yeah mine's only 325 and I am going month to month.. I borrowed this month's and next month will be due on the 1st |
| 23:56.39 | stoned | nvz, dude, I been doing that for the past month |
| 23:56.52 | opee2 | did you guys see my last note? |
| 23:56.59 | stoned | nvz, soon as I find a job elsewhere, a good one, I'd get the fuck outta oklahoma |
| 23:57.00 | nvz | opee2: yep |
| 23:57.03 | stoned | opee2, yes |
| 23:57.12 | stoned | opee2, if/when someone can help you, they will |
| 23:57.16 | stoned | !repeat |
| 23:57.16 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:57.26 | nvz | opee2: except I never used kwifi or any wifi interface before |
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| 23:57.43 | nvz | opee2: which would explain why I didnt waste your time with a response |
| 23:57.48 | opee2 | nvz: what have you used? |
| 23:57.50 | stoned | same here |
| 23:57.54 | stoned | I dont' deal with wireless cards |
| 23:58.02 | stoned | such an insecure thing |
| 23:58.15 | p0t | do you guys use smarty in your webserver? |
| 23:58.17 | nvz | I use that old 10baseT stuff.. you know the _wired_ network |
| 23:58.36 | stoned | I have a linksys wrt54g running ddwrt |
| 23:58.51 | nvz | I use apache in my webserver, I have no idea what a smarty is |
| 23:59.05 | nvz | all I am using apache for right now is to serve as a local package mirror |
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| 23:59.25 | nvz | which isnt doing well cause I tried to install pysol last night and got dependency problems :-/ |
| 23:59.27 | opee2 | waiting: what does ndiswrapper do for the wireless? |
| 23:59.35 | stoned | only reason I have it is because my roommate runs a pc outside and its got a wireless card, I disable dhcp on the thing, deny access to everyone else, only certain MAC addresses are allowed to access the router, me, my laptop, and his pc, and I enable WPA |
| 23:59.41 | waiting | opee2: it can wrap win xp ndis5 drivers |
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| 23:59.48 | waiting | opee2: "blob" style |
