| 00:00.11 | Blissex | rhys: do a web search for that phrase :-) |
| 00:00.29 | sid | rhys: apt-get moo |
| 00:00.43 | rhys | ive seen it before.. |
| 00:00.48 | rhys | heard it before |
| 00:01.10 | sid | torfinn: #skolelinux on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:01.42 | rhys | oh yea. the cow |
| 00:02.23 | torfinn | sid: Thanks |
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| 00:27.46 | schuma | hola.. |
| 00:27.56 | binary1 | can someone please help me install berkeley db with apt-get, i need help editing my sources.list file |
| 00:28.01 | schuma | alqien a instalado el modem SPEEDSTREAM 4200 x usb?? |
| 00:28.52 | centrx | yes? no? maybe so? |
| 00:28.58 | Ronin | !es |
| 00:28.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:31.31 | sid | binary1: You wait debian main; with the fastest mirror possible? |
| 00:31.34 | StereoSkit | clear |
| 00:31.37 | StereoSkit | oops |
| 00:32.08 | sid | binary1: What version of debian are you running? |
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| 00:33.22 | k-google | What scrapers are there for use with webmail systems, eg: hotmail, google mail, yahoo, etc.? |
| 00:35.53 | Apeiron | hey all :) i have a little problem with using sudo.. i want to execute a script which requires root privileges (by pressing a hotkey) so i made a rule in /etc/sudoers: "user hostname = NOPASSWD: /bin/wlan_reset", which works fine if i type "sudo wlan_reset" into a terminal, but it dont seems to work if i try to invoke it from withhin a script.. thanks for tips and hints in advance |
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| 00:36.21 | StereoSkit | dudes an off topic consult, i had a little problem and i's like to extract onlky certain file(s) from a tar.gz file, i googled but i havent found info, does anyone has managed to do this? |
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| 00:37.29 | Blissex | StereoSkit: yes. |
| 00:37.31 | sid | Apeiron: What version of debian? |
| 00:37.39 | amphi | StereoSkit: using mc might be the easiest |
| 00:38.11 | k-google | StereoSkit: tar xzvf <archive.tar.gz> <path1/file1> <path2/file2> ... |
| 00:38.11 | sid | StereoSkit: tar zxvf file.tar.gz ? |
| 00:38.31 | k-google | StereoSkit: though if it's a small archive, what amphi said. |
| 00:38.39 | Apeiron | sid, well.. actually its not debian but a debian clone called ubuntu.. but i think that doesnt matter.. |
| 00:38.46 | StereoSkit | oh great, im up to do that |
| 00:38.51 | StereoSkit | tnx all |
| 00:38.53 | sid | !tell Apeiron about ubuntu |
| 00:39.01 | sid | Apeiron: /join #ubuntu ; We do not support that here. |
| 00:39.10 | rhys | Apeiron, you just denied yourself help |
| 00:39.28 | clintsnet | hey all, the debian etch testing/unstable, is going smooth.. the xfs is something I am really pleased with, and I can tell, Debian 4 is going be unreal |
| 00:39.35 | Apeiron | sits a general question about sudo configuration |
| 00:39.45 | Apeiron | s/sits/its |
| 00:39.54 | sid | clintsnet: How do you know it's going to be debian 4? Why not debian 3.2? |
| 00:40.29 | rhys | its just like techsupport on the phone. you dont quite tell them what you use. Apeiron, gateway, dell, and debian tech support are all the same. you cant mention you dont use their product, or they will refuse to help you, whether or not they have the answer. shame #debian can actually be useful |
| 00:41.27 | clintsnet | in December |
| 00:41.31 | Apeiron | rhys ok, since i have several debian sarge boxes here too, lets say i want to do it on a sarge/stable box.. better now? |
| 00:41.55 | sid | There are 750 people in #ubuntu ; Apeiron can join there and ask his distribution. Apeiron /join #ubuntu |
| 00:42.03 | clintsnet | I"m trying to think.. of just giving my acer aspire 3610, which has this for video.. to do the... dpkg-reconfiguer xserver-xorg |
| 00:42.17 | Apeiron | sid i already tried, but unfortunately got no reply. |
| 00:42.34 | sid | clintsnet: There has not been a version # declared yet. So no one knows. clintsnet also it "might" be released in December. Or it could be March. |
| 00:42.36 | sid | !tell clintsnet about wir |
| 00:42.36 | amphi | clintsnet: xfs is different than xfs in sarge? |
| 00:43.03 | rhys | Apeiron, i have as much problem with that in the linux community as you do. theres a poiint when your asking about ubuntu, its not for #debian. but when a person is just trying to get a bit of help for a general problem, this closed "our distro is better than everyoine else so you can either switch or suffer" mindset is just nonsense |
| 00:43.10 | rhys | Apeiron, whats the problem. |
| 00:43.15 | clintsnet | hey sid, I was an ubuntu tester for a while.. and user.. and tried to get people into it.. its not a bad system, but not for an IT, systems engineer, Network Specialist... Hardware, etc.. this new way of debian is all me.. I Just needed the better support for my laptop and workstation, and now I can take the time. to see what needs done for putting it on systems and servers :) |
| 00:43.24 | clintsnet | I"M not using sarge |
| 00:43.30 | clintsnet | I am so happy I can't even express it |
| 00:43.56 | sid | Is today Sunday? |
| 00:44.06 | rhys | im upgrading to sid. apt is awesome |
| 00:44.07 | clintsnet | my net speed is unreal, and everything.. I'm going be configuring wireless, hopefully I can get that, or maybe you guys can help.. there also. need to get correct refresh rates, and display |
| 00:44.48 | rhys | clintsnet, http://www.monitorworld.com for refresh rates. |
| 00:44.52 | Apeiron | rhys, i agree with you that all this distro-wars are just senseless, so whats the meaning of denying your knowledge to ubuntu/hybrid/whatever users, which maybe have use for it aswell? |
| 00:44.59 | clintsnet | if any of you want to partner up. in a team group. to work on a linux a.i., thats what I'm doing. and I would be glad to let some people give me any ideas, or help out with my project, I"m doing it regardless, but always could use an extra hand |
| 00:45.26 | Apeiron | rhys the problem is, that sudo works fine if i invoke it from a terminal, but it wont work if invoked by a non-interactive shell (xbindkeys by pressing a hotkey) |
| 00:46.15 | rhys | Apeiron, are you trying to get a root terminal? |
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| 00:46.46 | Apeiron | rhys no, i want to execute a command which requires root privileges by pressing a button on my keyboard |
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| 00:47.40 | rhys | Apeiron, that unfortunatly -would- be a ubuntu problem. they broke root. |
| 00:47.48 | rhys | no idea |
| 00:48.34 | Apeiron | well... ok, much thanks anyway |
| 00:48.38 | rhys | using sudo to do everything with no su. they f-ed with it. which is why im still on debian. the difference is i am dissapointed that i cant fxi it, and not just telling you off like a fanboy. |
| 00:48.43 | rhys | noone likes fanboys |
| 00:49.24 | Apeiron | rhys i thought sudo is a smart way to do administrative tasks, dont you agree? |
| 00:50.05 | rhys | Apeiron, from a security standpoint maybe. i simply find it annoying |
| 00:50.29 | rhys | ubuntu is a godless distro. debian has a god. Root. It can do anything, and knows everything. :) |
| 00:50.41 | Apeiron | lol |
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| 00:51.38 | mrcoyote | Yep all |
| 00:53.06 | rhys | Apeiron, i do find it odd that while ubuntu is at the top of distrowatch, and has alot of users, there are -alot- of people coming to #debian for help only because noone will reply in #ubuntu. maybe thats it then? so many users, but most of the new to linux while the experts stick to the lesser known distrobutions? |
| 00:53.29 | clintsnet | well, I do pretty much got the refresh rates from ubuntu, and ACer said they couldn't tell me , my Refresh rartes, I used , Everest , and got the 60 for Vertical |
| 00:53.33 | stoned | ubuntu is the xp of linux |
| 00:53.41 | stoned | its crap |
| 00:53.48 | stoned | slow and bloated |
| 00:54.06 | clintsnet | I even asked to speak to Acer engineers, and they said I couldnt'.. well.. talked to some people at college, and they didn't even know what I was speaking of |
| 00:54.21 | rhys | stoned, i agree. |
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| 00:54.45 | Apeiron | rhys well, maybe thats right - i prefer ubuntu on my laptop since evrything worked out-of-the box. but in comparisation to other communities the debian isnt the "best" either.. heard much about rumor that many ppl migrated from debian to other distros in the last time.. but ill stop now, i dont want to start a distro war ^^ |
| 00:54.50 | catch23 | hi anyone know this error from postfix: fatal: open lock file pid/inet.smtp: cannot create file exclusively |
| 00:55.03 | clintsnet | I do got the specs though, that ubuntu did.. and that seems to work well. because I also did a xorgconfig with PCBSD , and my graphics were smoking.. so with the testin/unstable .. its using.. xorg .. xserver-xorg.. so I would .. same right.. |
| 00:55.03 | catch23 | or how it can be resolved? |
| 00:55.09 | clintsnet | dpkg-reconfigure xserverx-xorg |
| 00:55.10 | clintsnet | ? |
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| 00:56.12 | clintsnet | well Apeiron, this testing build is really showing me something and the hard work from all the team |
| 00:56.46 | nnn0 | ehehe |
| 00:57.10 | clintsnet | and what I like too.. your not forced for the new installer, to have kde on, and its so much faster, because you can always build KDE in, xfce, enlightenment,blackbox, fluxbox, or any window manager if you want |
| 00:57.17 | nnn0 | i thought ubuntu was debian unstable :) |
| 00:57.21 | rhys | if you want to know, i love slackware. she was like my first love...i love my linux virginity to slackware. :D but im still getting nam flashbacks of dependency hell. which is why im using apt. yay debian. |
| 00:57.36 | rhys | lost* |
| 00:57.58 | Apeiron | clintsnet, thats right, but debian dont aims the same target as ubuntu. |
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| 00:58.07 | rhys | nnn0, NO. |
| 00:58.13 | nnn0 | ehehe |
| 00:58.29 | dylan_ | Can somebody help me set up printing? I cannot print from either Firefox or GIMP, or even gedit. I have cupsys installed and 1 printer setup |
| 00:58.41 | rhys | Kanotix is based on Sid, with alot of extra scripts and a livecd...but not much else. and for that matter, why not just call it debian unstable? and use debian unstable? |
| 00:58.45 | clintsnet | thats good,, but slackare is is geared towards servers, like gentoo, but also that high performance, and it uses compress like packages.. and harder to manage, but you see, I did a real change by coming from using Xandros and Fedora, and ubuntu, because debian 3.1 couldn't do what I wanted it to do.. so I"M happy with the debian swirl :) |
| 00:59.08 | amphi | !gentoo |
| 00:59.08 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 00:59.11 | clintsnet | i like the fact, I can design my own system, my own distro with debian, and it gives me all what I need :) |
| 00:59.37 | rhys | Gentoobies! |
| 00:59.55 | amphi | rhys: I prefer 'gentooligans' ;) |
| 01:00.05 | rhys | clintsnet, same here |
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| 01:00.19 | rhys | shame it takes me a half hour just to download the packlist for debian unstable. :( |
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| 01:00.35 | nnn0 | clintsnet, you make it sound like you can't do that with all the others ;) |
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| 01:01.05 | nnn0 | clintsnet, but i agree - i like gentoo too :) |
| 01:01.36 | clintsnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.37 | clintsnet | out of ubuntu |
| 01:01.41 | rhys | i looked at the install for gentoo. :\ didnt even bother. |
| 01:01.44 | clintsnet | I would like to call it.. slowtu |
| 01:01.46 | clintsnet | :) |
| 01:01.54 | dylan_ | Can somebody please help me? |
| 01:02.15 | clintsnet | nnn0: , you can.. heck, go with LFS< or grab your own kernel, drivers.. and then packages and gui up to you |
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| 01:02.21 | clintsnet | heh.. design all from scratch :) |
| 01:02.27 | rhys | Slow. i thought it was just the live cd. the install is just as slow |
| 01:02.38 | nnn0 | that's what i mean :) |
| 01:02.41 | clintsnet | and adng it.. I was using.. c|int but it doesn't change |
| 01:02.47 | c|int | there we go |
| 01:02.57 | Apeiron | clintsnet, its impossible to update such a system without package management :) |
| 01:03.12 | c|int | nope. your wrong |
| 01:03.21 | c|int | if you build and engineer your own system, you can do anything you want to it |
| 01:03.31 | nnn0 | and what's wrong with packet management ? :) |
| 01:03.36 | c|int | nothing is impossible, and tell that to your dog |
| 01:04.03 | rhys | you can upgrade packages. |
| 01:04.07 | Apeiron | like, set up your own package management with your own distfile servers and so on? *lol* |
| 01:04.18 | c|int | yes, you can do that, |
| 01:04.18 | dylan_ | Please! I desperately need help! |
| 01:04.26 | c|int | I am right now. designing a linux a.i. system.. |
| 01:05.00 | nnn0 | dylan_, nobody knows if they can help you yet ;) |
| 01:05.05 | Apeiron | c|int, you could, but it wouldnt be very effective, since you would just invent the wheel once more. ineffective. |
| 01:05.06 | c|int | and believe me. its not only is going have the information I input in it. it is well is going collect information from the web, and have the most state of the art voice recognition you can think of.. and speed, and everything |
| 01:05.06 | rhys | c|int, no. if linux gets smart its going to tell me to stop touching it in that way |
| 01:05.13 | rhys | :\ |
| 01:05.19 | c|int | lol |
| 01:05.25 | dylan_ | nnn0, i see. i guess i wont print my essay, then :-( i really need this. |
| 01:05.30 | c|int | hee, well I'll make it an option. to not have it |
| 01:05.36 | c|int | :) |
| 01:05.43 | nnn0 | dylan_, so for god sake as a question then |
| 01:06.02 | c|int | Apeiron: , I'm open minded, and thats what keeps me striving towards huge success |
| 01:06.10 | dylan_ | nnn0, I cannot print from either Firefox or GIMP, or even gedit. I have cupsys installed and 1 printer setup |
| 01:06.10 | c|int | they said man would never walk on the moon |
| 01:06.15 | c|int | cough cough |
| 01:06.30 | c|int | hey rhys |
| 01:06.49 | c|int | I would just do.. dkpg-reconfiguer xserver-xorg.. for testing/unstable, because its using xorg now |
| 01:06.55 | nnn0 | nnn0, i donno - i don't even use debian - not right now anyways, but now the guys know if they can help you ;) |
| 01:07.03 | c|int | ? and this what I needing help with |
| 01:07.04 | c|int | Laptops Video Specs LCD: |
| 01:07.05 | c|int | Device Description:Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family |
| 01:07.05 | c|int | Adapter String:Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset |
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| 01:07.13 | c|int | sorry |
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| 01:07.19 | rhys | lol |
| 01:07.20 | rhys | wait |
| 01:07.23 | rhys | unstable uses xorg? |
| 01:07.28 | c|int | yep |
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| 01:07.32 | Ecnassianer | I'm running debian unstable, I haven't upgraded in a while and just tried. After I updated apt-get upgrade and apt-cache search both Seg fault. Is this connected to the diffindex switch? Is there a solution? |
| 01:09.02 | c|int | also, I want to get the wireless working.. so I can be at college, and on linux on wireless, ubuntu supposely had the broadcom wireless issue fixed. firmware failed, and everything, I Know I can get a pmcica, I just don't have that money right now, or I could change my mini pci wireless lan |
| 01:09.10 | sid | Ecnassianer: Put your sources.list and dpkg -al|grep -v ^ii on a paste site. |
| 01:09.13 | sid | !tell Ecnassianer about paste |
| 01:09.44 | cafuego_ | c|int: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net -> click on link to find a bcm43xx firmware. |
| 01:09.55 | c|int | well, I"M not using that system anymore.. but.. |
| 01:10.13 | c|int | If I have too, I"ll just replace the mini pci wireless chip |
| 01:10.15 | cafuego_ | c|int: It's a .deb that works fine on Debian too. |
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| 01:10.30 | rhys | whoa |
| 01:10.32 | c|int | probably go with 1 of those atheros, or a nice pcmcia |
| 01:10.39 | cafuego_ | Just plonks the firmware files in /lib/firmware |
| 01:10.40 | c|int | well that would be great |
| 01:10.42 | rhys | to upgrade gaim i need 26mb of archives.. |
| 01:10.45 | rhys | :( |
| 01:10.45 | c|int | the crap failed , on ubuntu |
| 01:10.56 | cafuego_ | Is it a 4318? |
| 01:11.13 | c|int | hey all, would you say to .. install the maintainers package for.. initramsfs-tools. , or leave it untouched |
| 01:11.17 | c|int | yep |
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| 01:11.25 | c|int | but first, I"m working on my video display |
| 01:11.26 | cafuego_ | Yeah, not supported fully (yet) |
| 01:11.34 | c|int | yeah. its a biatch.. |
| 01:12.14 | sid | c|int: maintainer's version |
| 01:12.22 | c|int | me and this guy. antho4s or something. he also here I Think, and some other users, had me doing al sorts of commands, and ifdown eth0; ifup wlan0, but funny thing is.. it gives it.. the wireless, id eth1, instead of wlan0, and I think thats whats the issue |
| 01:13.08 | c|int | thanks sid |
| 01:13.24 | c|int | I feel real again.. |
| 01:13.25 | c|int | :) |
| 01:13.27 | dylan_ | does anybody know how to setup printing? |
| 01:13.38 | c|int | ubuntu, unless you hack the system, then you feel sort of of free |
| 01:15.09 | c|int | but I have to say. even when I custom'd ReiserFS, and didn't even think to do. xfs, especially live cd, is totally for begineers, because alternative is the way to go. I mean at no offense, but you need 256 mb for the graphical installer.. heh.. debian only you need is, and I think... 24 mb of ram. thats a gag... Windows vista minimal, 512 mb of ram.. they recommend 1 GB..geesh.. .. keep on hoggin.. :) |
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| 01:16.05 | Ecnassianer | sid: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3218 |
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| 01:16.35 | cafuego_ | c|int: the ethX versus wlanX is a driver issue; it's what the developers deviced to call it, arbitrary. wlanX is annoying and nonstandard. (Same goes for athX) |
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| 01:17.03 | jmd | What's a good application to view docbook files? |
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| 01:17.13 | cafuego_ | c|int: <heh> On Ubuntu, with beagle running, I _really_ need my 1.5GB ram. |
| 01:17.55 | alexbodn | hi all, why can't python find a module in the pycentral tree? |
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| 01:19.19 | c|int | hey guys, what i got is this.. samsung liquid crystal lcd, SEC3345 .. I think. um.. I did see in ubuntu it had.. for my ACer Aspire 3610: 45.71 - 50.52 for Hsync range, and for vertical 60.00 - 60.00 , and for somer reason I did an xorgconfig on PCBSD when it didn't set up my refresh rates right, and it fixed it nicely, so I guess I would just do that as well, because dam Acer won't even give me my sync ranges, |
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| 01:19.45 | c|int | hey cafuego_, thanks for help bud |
| 01:20.00 | c|int | I'm going try and call , ACer and snap |
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| 01:20.19 | Ecnassianer | I'm running debian unstable, I haven't upgraded in a while and just tried. After I updated apt-get upgrade and apt-cache search both Seg fault. Is this connected to the diffindex switch? Is there a solution? Here's my sources.list and dpkg -al | grep -v ^ii http://channels.debian.net/paste/3218 |
| 01:20.19 | cafuego_ | c|int: Aren't the sync ranges in the manual? |
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| 01:20.39 | c|int | I mean.. college gives us all Computer Science, students, free laptop, well, consider were paying a lot to go to Robert Morris.. I need to straight up. get this right with Acer |
| 01:20.42 | c|int | nope |
| 01:20.46 | c|int | swear, and I'm an IT lol |
| 01:21.01 | c|int | oh and, I can't wait to set up my Workstation soon.. :) |
| 01:21.16 | c|int | and plus, I want to get that whole xgl thing working |
| 01:21.32 | ZombB | n8 |
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| 01:24.33 | cafuego_ | is broken |
| 01:24.38 | cafuego_ | xgl is broken, even |
| 01:24.45 | cafuego_ | pretty, but kinda useless atm :-) |
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| 01:27.02 | catch23 | hm, anyone familiar with postfix? |
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| 01:35.59 | simonrvn | #postfix is |
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| 01:39.08 | c|int | hey cafuego_, so I just do a .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 01:41.17 | jmd | Does anyone here know how to use Yelp ? |
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| 01:41.38 | dylan_ | Can somebody help me set up printing in Sarge? |
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| 01:45.02 | PumpkinPie | what can I use thats like minicom thats default on debian ? |
| 01:45.19 | veterina1r | PumpkinPie: minicom? |
| 01:45.24 | PumpkinPie | becuase I dont have minicom and i have no access to the internet |
| 01:45.28 | PumpkinPie | minicom isn't on there |
| 01:45.44 | veterina1r | PumpkinPie: but how is it, that we can read you then? |
| 01:45.58 | veterina1r | PumpkinPie: ,-) |
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| 01:46.57 | elkid | talking about printing it seens to be messed in testing "kdeprint +cups" |
| 01:47.28 | elkid | many ppl having troubles with that combination |
| 01:47.33 | elkid | including me |
| 01:48.38 | dylan_ | Yeah I can't print ... period. |
| 01:48.40 | dylan_ | I'm in GNOME. |
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| 01:53.02 | simonrvn | um, it is. |
| 01:53.34 | simonrvn | !+info minicom sarge |
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| 01:53.39 | dpkg | minicom: (friendly menu driven serial communication program), section comm, is optional. Version: 2.1-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 272 kB, Installed size: 900 kB |
| 01:54.03 | simonrvn | it isn't installed by default |
| 01:54.55 | Ecnassianer | I'm running debian unstable, I haven't upgraded in a while and just tried. After I updated apt-get upgrade and apt-cache search both Seg fault. Is this connected to the diffindex switch? Is there a solution? Here's my sources.list and dpkg -al | grep -v ^ii http://channels.debian.net/paste/3218 |
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| 01:55.41 | simonrvn | *shrug*. you might want to try aptitude then |
| 01:55.45 | Chase-san | Hello |
| 01:56.03 | simonrvn | see BTS... as a sid user you should know that ;) |
| 01:56.24 | c|int | hey cafuego_.. I coudln't get actuall specs |
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| 01:57.03 | Chase-san | I wonder, would it be possible to build a entire system from like, just packages |
| 01:57.12 | Chase-san | I mean a custom one |
| 01:57.15 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:57.45 | Chase-san | <.< |
| 01:57.48 | Chase-san | i'm srious |
| 01:57.50 | Chase-san | serious* |
| 01:58.48 | dylan_ | How can I set up printing in Debian!?!?!? |
| 01:58.52 | dylan_ | Please help me? |
| 01:58.56 | dylan_ | Must I beg? |
| 01:59.14 | Chase-san | If I knew how, I would tell you |
| 01:59.26 | dylan_ | You never print? |
| 01:59.30 | Lopuz | you need to set up cups or something |
| 01:59.35 | Lopuz | i never got it to work |
| 01:59.37 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: install cupsys, and visit localhost:731 |
| 01:59.37 | Lopuz | it really sucks |
| 01:59.51 | dylan_ | dondelelcaro, 631 |
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| 01:59.53 | Chase-san | actually no, Idon't |
| 01:59.55 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: err, yeah. |
| 01:59.59 | dylan_ | dondelelcaro, i have already done that |
| 02:00.11 | dylan_ | dondelelcaro, i can only print from that print test interface. no other |
| 02:00.25 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: if you're using poscript printers, it's trivial; if you're not, then there are instructions available for your specific printer. |
| 02:00.58 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: ok, but you've added the printer right? can you print using lpr? |
| 02:01.14 | Chase-san | okay i'm done |
| 02:01.20 | dylan_ | dondelelcaro, how do i print using lpr? |
| 02:01.38 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: echo 'testing'|lpr; that's print using the default printer; use the -P option if you need something else. |
| 02:01.45 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: lpq will tell you what jobs are queued. |
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| 02:01.56 | dylan_ | dondelelcaro, thanks ... give me a minute to test that. getting more paper out |
| 02:02.16 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: you need to have installed cupsys-bsd to have those commands. |
| 02:02.36 | dylan_ | i do not have cupsys-bsd |
| 02:02.45 | dondelelcaro | well, install it |
| 02:02.56 | dylan_ | k |
| 02:03.11 | dondelelcaro | most things that don't know about cups specifically use the bsd command line utilities to print, since that's a universal method |
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| 02:03.58 | dylan_ | k i have cupsys-bsd installed. |
| 02:04.33 | dylan_ | echo 'testing'|lpr printed "testing" |
| 02:05.22 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: ok, so printing is now working. |
| 02:05.27 | dylan_ | everywhere? |
| 02:05.33 | dylan_ | let me see... |
| 02:05.41 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: anything that prints should know how to print to lpr. |
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| 02:05.47 | dylan_ | you're amazing |
| 02:05.53 | dylan_ | thank you lots! |
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| 02:06.03 | dylan_ | that's easier than i thought it would be |
| 02:06.05 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: np; if you've got a specific example that isn't working, then you haven't selected lpr or the proper printer... |
| 02:06.12 | dylan_ | thanks! |
| 02:06.17 | dylan_ | awesomeness |
| 02:06.41 | dondelelcaro | dylan_: you had basically done all the hard work before, so no problem. |
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| 02:13.11 | keith80403 | Installed Sarge on an older machine but the sound didn't configure. Sound works with Windows, this is a dual boot machine. |
| 02:13.32 | keith80403 | How can I re-run the sound detection/installation part of the install to try sound installation again? |
| 02:15.55 | dondelelcaro | keith80403: getting sound to work is just a matter of loading the proper drivers, then runing alsamixer or equivalent to bring the levels up |
| 02:16.07 | dondelelcaro | keith80403: autoconfiguration scripts aren't really necessary. |
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| 02:32.56 | darknessofevil | btw how long does the netinst take on a old 233mhz box that im turning into a server? |
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| 02:34.42 | dondelelcaro | darknessofevil: depends on how many packages you're going to install. |
| 02:34.51 | dondelelcaro | (and how fast your connection is) |
| 02:35.13 | darknessofevil | i have a cable 5mb/s connection; mostly just kernel + updates + sshd + other server daemons |
| 02:36.50 | dondelelcaro | darknessofevil: probably less than an hour, possible 2. |
| 02:37.14 | dondelelcaro | it's been a while since I've installed on a 233MHz, but it shouldn't be too bad... most of it'll just be letting it download. |
| 02:37.20 | darknessofevil | yea |
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| 02:37.28 | darknessofevil | it's an old box i dug up that im turning into a server |
| 02:38.02 | Piet | 233 is really ... ... |
| 02:38.16 | Piet | i cant think of a nice way to say it |
| 02:38.56 | darknessofevil | it's a SERVER, mostly just httpd,ftpd & sshd |
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| 02:39.26 | dondelelcaro | hey, 233 is blazing speed! |
| 02:39.27 | Piet | 16 MB of RAM then |
| 02:39.29 | Piet | ? |
| 02:39.30 | dondelelcaro | I don't know what you're talkinga bout |
| 02:39.34 | darknessofevil | 192mb of ram |
| 02:39.38 | darknessofevil | i upgraded it a while back |
| 02:39.43 | darknessofevil | it's gonna be hosting nixgeek.net |
| 02:39.45 | Piet | oh, then it might work |
| 02:39.58 | Piet | as nobody visits this site anyway |
| 02:39.59 | darknessofevil | right now that goes to my desktop |
| 02:40.03 | darknessofevil | im offloading that to my server |
| 02:40.10 | darknessofevil | person server to host my stuff, ssh tunneling, etc |
| 02:40.15 | darknessofevil | off my cable connection |
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| 02:47.04 | swim | how can I tell what I can remove according to deborphan? |
| 02:47.18 | [xt] | So ... this channel moved to a new network because some guy hangs out in a bunch of channels on OFTC and didn't feel like connecting to two networks? |
| 02:49.15 | zinx | [xt]: uhm, i suspect the reasons were more complicated than that |
| 02:52.26 | Piet | yes, it was two guys |
| 02:52.29 | threat | I am after a curses type library for C++, any suggestions? (google wasn't helpful) |
| 02:54.54 | xxpor | :O |
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| 02:59.19 | swim | how can I tell what I can remove according to deborphan? |
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| 03:02.26 | orchid | swim: I think deborphan only lists libraries if you run it without any flags, and generally they are safe to remove (in my experience) |
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| 03:02.49 | swim | ok thx |
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| 03:02.52 | orchid | swim: deborphan -na on the othe hand will list stuff you probably don't want to remove |
| 03:03.10 | swim | ah gotchyah thx |
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| 03:04.35 | JDStone | even that 2.6.16 debian disc doesn't see my SATA drive |
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| 03:08.06 | Greg\ory | hi all |
| 03:08.07 | streuner | well, time to search |
| 03:08.18 | Greg\ory | I've got a question.. |
| 03:08.24 | Greg\ory | I'd like to recompile my kernel with make oldconfig, but I don't have configuration file, how can I generate the config file of my actual kernel? |
| 03:08.26 | streuner | is the SATA controller supported or not... |
| 03:08.34 | JDStone | SLAX saw it |
| 03:08.46 | Greg\ory | :D |
| 03:08.46 | JDStone | let me check what the SATA chipset is |
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| 03:09.06 | danf_1979 | Hi |
| 03:09.38 | danf_1979 | what does mean the "p" I find when searching a package with aptitude? For example "p gob description" |
| 03:09.52 | danf_1979 | Where can I find the meanings of those letters? |
| 03:10.07 | Piet | ppppreviously |
| 03:10.39 | JDStone | err, never mind streuner. I thought I could see the chip on the mobo |
| 03:10.46 | danf_1979 | What does that mean, in other words? Sorry, I still dont get it |
| 03:10.53 | JDStone | I dont' have a SLAX disc with me to boot to |
| 03:10.55 | danf_1979 | previously what? |
| 03:11.13 | Piet | the package was previously installed prolly |
| 03:12.02 | danf_1979 | Does that mean that it was once installed in my sistem? |
| 03:13.17 | Piet | give the exact line and i'll tell you |
| 03:13.51 | danf_1979 | This are random |
| 03:13.56 | danf_1979 | p cgoban - complete Go board |
| 03:13.56 | danf_1979 | p egoboo - 3D dungeon crawling adventure in the spirit of NetHack |
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| 03:14.49 | streuner | JDStone: when did you use it? |
| 03:15.03 | JDStone | I used SLAX about a week ago |
| 03:16.45 | streuner | anyway, 2.6.16 should work then, just report that on the website (sarge 2.6.16) |
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| 03:17.27 | JDStone | streuner, where do I report that? |
| 03:17.53 | streuner | !tell JDStone about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 03:17.54 | Piet | danf_1979: it just means they are not currently installed. |
| 03:17.55 | JDStone | streuner, it's a custom ISO, it's not from debian.org |
| 03:18.04 | JDStone | oh, that website, sorry streuner |
| 03:18.06 | JDStone | thanks again |
| 03:18.21 | Lopuz | how may i limit scp upload speed? |
| 03:28.19 | streuner | !tell JDStone about sarge di |
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| 03:29.04 | streuner | !tell JDStone about di |
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| 03:32.59 | tvn | is there any app that allows print to pdf ? |
| 03:33.08 | JDStone | streuner, what is this "Debian Installers"? |
| 03:33.42 | streuner | tvn: do you use CUPS? |
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| 03:34.16 | tvn | streuner: yes .. I think I see what you're suggesting ... thanks |
| 03:34.40 | streuner | tvn: cups-pdf |
| 03:36.10 | tvn | I also attempted to get foxitreader to work on Debian (Sarge) but it requires some libXinerama.so.1 file which I can't find on packages.debian.org . Anyone had success in having that working ? |
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| 03:39.10 | streuner | tvn: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:39.51 | streuner | !info libxinerama1 |
| 03:40.05 | dpkg | libxinerama1: (X11 Xinerama extension library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 03:40.43 | tvn | sid |
| 03:40.48 | tvn | :) I don't use sid |
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| 03:41.05 | kill4killin | Hello all, I am having problems installing debian on my pentium II laptop, for some reason it wont install over my already installed OS |
| 03:41.30 | streuner | tvn: do you use xfree86? |
| 03:41.48 | tvn | streuner: yes |
| 03:41.51 | Shorty` | Hey guys, I've got a weird issue were I'm using HA nfs and when I fail between the two NFS servers, one particular user keeps getting stale NFS handles, however root appears to be fine. does anyone have any ideas or somewhere they can point me too? |
| 03:42.03 | tvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.15 | streuner | tvn: well, that package exist surley for xorg... |
| 03:42.34 | tvn | I don't think my Sarge has xorg |
| 03:42.41 | streuner | tvn: bpo has it |
| 03:42.49 | tvn | bpo ? |
| 03:42.54 | streuner | !bpo |
| 03:42.54 | dpkg | somebody said backports.org was an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/instructions.html on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 03:43.08 | Shorty` | hrm |
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| 03:43.22 | tvn | that would adulterate my current perfect Sarge setting |
| 03:43.51 | vicmic | hello |
| 03:44.05 | streuner | so just use cups-pdf then |
| 03:44.11 | vicmic | can anybody tell me how to run a cd external driver on debian? |
| 03:44.40 | pipeline | vicmic: Sarge or etch? |
| 03:45.08 | vicmic | what is that |
| 03:45.12 | vicmic | im new on linex |
| 03:45.21 | vicmic | i got the box today |
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| 03:47.33 | vicmic | is a intel pc |
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| 03:47.51 | vicmic | it dosent have internal rooms for floppys or cds |
| 03:48.03 | vicmic | so i plug on the usb one external cd drive |
| 03:48.14 | vicmic | but it is not detected on debian |
| 03:49.18 | Shorty` | vicmic, sure? most usb mass storage devices are picked up by hotplug these days |
| 03:49.33 | vicmic | yes im shure |
| 03:49.36 | vicmic | sure |
| 03:49.53 | vicmic | i plug it on my usb port and when i go to cdroom |
| 03:49.56 | vicmic | dosent work |
| 03:50.02 | Shorty` | if you tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 03:50.05 | Shorty` | when you plug it in |
| 03:50.07 | Shorty` | anything come up? |
| 03:50.15 | vicmic | and it just appers cdroom floppy and the hrad drive |
| 03:50.27 | vicmic | let me chek |
| 03:50.46 | vicmic | im new on this i suposse to do that on terminal |
| 03:51.51 | vicmic | it siads than its an invalid argument |
| 03:52.40 | Presently42 | Hello. I would like to be able to work in another partition, also using debian, from within my current one. I believe foing chroot allows me to use the commands on that other partition, but the other partition will still think I'm in this one. That's a bad explanation. Any way, is it ssh that I need to be fully "inside" that other partition? Essentially, I want to do my work as if I were in that partition. Thanks much. |
| 03:53.55 | amphi | vicmic: if it's a usb cd drive, it probably comes up as /dev/sda or /dev/scd0 or some such |
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| 03:54.23 | vicmic | amphi how do i look my devices |
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| 03:55.48 | amphi | mount them |
| 03:56.21 | amphi | vicmic: when you plug it in, does syslog not tell you what device it is? |
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| 03:59.49 | vicmic | no |
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| 04:02.09 | vicmic | when i write mount apers hda3, proc, devpts, hda1 |
| 04:04.34 | vicmic | need heeeelp |
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| 04:05.27 | vicmic | couse i really need run that cd |
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| 04:07.25 | vicmic | helpo |
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| 04:09.53 | Presently42 | I too would like assistance. :0) |
| 04:10.41 | vicmic | i cant run a cd |
| 04:10.46 | vicmic | on an external cd drive |
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| 04:14.35 | orchid | Presently42: the package debian-reference has some good chroot info, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 04:18.07 | stranger_stone | hello |
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| 04:19.40 | Dwonis | seems quiet in here, and it's Sunday, even |
| 04:19.42 | Dwonis | !oftc move |
| 04:19.43 | dpkg | oftc move is probably irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 04:20.57 | streuner | Dwonis: not that bad |
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| 04:21.06 | streuner | !sunday |
| 04:21.07 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:21.18 | Presently42 | orchid: Thanks, I'll look it up. |
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| 04:25.32 | stranger_stone | I`m sorry my newbie question but i make in my public_html some files and put then read mode to all only and the local apache gives then well in the browser but the files i makecopy paste "backups form my flash usb " they only are read from the apache if i put thenin executed mode |
| 04:25.49 | stranger_stone | someone knows what is theproblem whith this? |
| 04:25.53 | stranger_stone | and how can i change it? |
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| 04:26.42 | Dwonis | stranger_stone: I don't understand what you're saying. Try using some punctuation. |
| 04:27.02 | stranger_stone | ok i try let s me try whth another way sorry |
| 04:27.33 | stranger_stone | is like this i installthe apache andeverything is well ... i make files to test ... and works fone when iput all the files in read mode |
| 04:27.52 | stranger_stone | sothe apache reads and display allthe files that have read mode ... that okfineworks welll |
| 04:28.09 | Dwonis | stranger_stone: What do you mean, "put all the files in read mode"? Are you talking about making the files world-readable in $HOME/public_html ? |
| 04:28.39 | stranger_stone | now the problem is when i make copy paste from my flash usb mybackup websites apears that the apache only ... can read the backup files if i put then in executed mode . isn`t it this one security problem executed mode ? |
| 04:29.05 | stranger_stone | yes the apache works fine only wants the executed mode to the backup files :| |
| 04:29.11 | stranger_stone | i try chown and nathing :| |
| 04:29.34 | jay | what causes the message "Kernel Module: Precompiled kernel version mismatched" during ati driver install. I have linux->linux-headers-2.6.15.6-386 in /usr/src/ and uname -a gives the same 2.6.15.6-386 |
| 04:29.53 | stranger_stone | really duno why apache wants the executed mode to read the backup websites i think this is one security problem don`t putthe files inexecuted modein the public_html ? |
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| 04:30.21 | Dwonis | stranger_stone: *Directories* (but not files), need to be "executable", or you won't be able to access them. (See 'man chmod') |
| 04:30.26 | jay | what causes the message "Kernel Module: Precompiled kernel version mismatched" during ati driver install. I have linux->linux-headers-2.6.15.6-386 in /usr/src/ and uname -a gives the same 2.6.15.6-386 |
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| 04:31.19 | Dwonis | jay: Doesn't everything use a /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink now? |
| 04:31.24 | stranger_stone | Dwonis rightthe problem isthis one .... i need to put not the directorys in executed mode to the apache can read the backup files |
| 04:31.35 | stranger_stone | i need to input thebackupsfilesinexecuted mode |
| 04:31.38 | Dwonis | stranger_stone: What are these "backup files"? |
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| 04:31.50 | stranger_stone | single personal websites .php |
| 04:32.21 | Dwonis | jay: please don't /msg me. |
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| 04:32.35 | jay | Dwonis: ma bad |
| 04:32.46 | Dwonis | jay: and in any case, I don't know any more details. I don't use the proprietary ATI drivers. |
| 04:32.48 | jay | Dwonis: cud u explain a lil clearer plz... newbie |
| 04:33.06 | Dwonis | jay: I'm just saying that the /usr/src/linux symlink doesn't really mean anything in Debian... usually |
| 04:33.07 | jay | tryin 2 get Xgl workin again, but it doesn't werk |
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| 04:33.19 | jay | oh oh ok |
| 04:33.20 | jay | i see |
| 04:33.41 | stranger_stone | humm let`s mechecj one thing :| |
| 04:34.25 | Dwonis | !u |
| 04:34.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 04:35.47 | Werdna | hi guys |
| 04:35.52 | Werdna | I'm having trouble with debootstrap |
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| 04:36.35 | Werdna | E: Couldn't download base-config./ |
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| 04:37.36 | Dwonis | Werdna: I don't know if this will help, but generally you need to have the latest version of debootstrap (from unstable) unless you're installing stable |
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| 04:37.48 | Werdna | I'm installing sid. |
| 04:37.48 | Dwonis | Werdna: and actually I think you might need *cdebootstrap*. |
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| 04:38.04 | Dwonis | I'm not sure if debootstrap is maintained anymore |
| 04:38.04 | Werdna | Dwonis, I'm following this: http://feraga.com/node/25 |
| 04:38.24 | Werdna | I upgraded the system to sid |
| 04:38.39 | Dwonis | Werdna: The problem is that debootstrap makes certain assumptions about what packages are in the archive, and in non-stable distros, that can change |
| 04:38.53 | Werdna | I see. |
| 04:38.55 | Dwonis | Werdna: either that, or your mirror is broken |
| 04:38.57 | Werdna | so you suggest I use cdebootstrap? |
| 04:38.59 | slew | hi, fresh install of debian, first time really using it, what do i need to add to sources.list to get the most out of the repositories? |
| 04:39.02 | stranger_stone | Dwonis you right that the problem i was making the chmod bad use :| that itabout the directorys ... :| |
| 04:39.05 | Werdna | ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 04:39.41 | stranger_stone | the files work fine ... thanks |
| 04:39.42 | stranger_stone | :) |
| 04:39.44 | Werdna | i doubt it. |
| 04:40.06 | Dwonis | Werdna: If oyu have a fast connection, it might be easier to installing sarge or etch using debootstrap, and then upgrade to sid |
| 04:40.37 | Dwonis | although for those of you watching from at home: *sid is not an upgrade* |
| 04:40.39 | slew | or, what can i do get get nvidia-glx? |
| 04:40.49 | Dwonis | !nvidia |
| 04:40.49 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 04:41.20 | streuner | slew: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 04:41.52 | slew | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 04:42.10 | Werdna | Dwonis, I did that before, but couldn't figure out getting the kernel |
| 04:42.30 | Dwonis | Werdna: eh? Details? |
| 04:42.31 | slew | where do i read "nvidia-graphics-drivers?" |
| 04:42.48 | Dwonis | Werdna: IIRC, debootstrap doesn't bother installing a kernel, though I could be wrong |
| 04:42.54 | streuner | slew: well, its in sarge |
| 04:43.04 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 04:43.07 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 04:43.25 | streuner | slew: hm, its non-free... |
| 04:43.34 | streuner | do you have non-free in sources.list? |
| 04:43.39 | slew | streuner, yeah, its not in synaptic.. =[ |
| 04:43.48 | slew | do i need to add that? |
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| 04:44.17 | streuner | slew: grep non-free /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:44.58 | floundering | my console cursor is in the wrong place, I can make it invisible and show a software cursor. how can I either, set the software cursor at boot, or fix the hardware cursor? |
| 04:44.59 | slew | streuner, i have sources.list open in pico, i dont see non-free |
| 04:45.11 | slew | streuner, do i just add that at the end of each line? |
| 04:45.33 | streuner | slew: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 04:45.42 | Werdna | Dwonis, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 failed with mirrors.kernel.org added in sources.list |
| 04:46.32 | Dwonis | Werdna: What was the error? |
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| 04:47.22 | streuner | slew: man sources.list |
| 04:48.03 | Dwonis | Werdna: Also, linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 seems to have been replaced by linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 04:48.19 | slew | streuner, im coming over from the ubuntu camp so im somewhat familier with sources.list, just trying to figure out how things are supposed to be in debian is gonna be the hard part |
| 04:48.36 | slew | like, do i need both http and ftp for sources? |
| 04:48.53 | streuner | debian use http |
| 04:48.58 | streuner | ftp is evil |
| 04:48.59 | Werdna | as if there was no such packafe. |
| 04:49.03 | Dwonis | streuner: depends on the mirror |
| 04:49.08 | streuner | no |
| 04:49.08 | slew | =] |
| 04:49.20 | streuner | official mirrors use http |
| 04:50.21 | Dwonis | streuner: I think you mean "primary mirrors" http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 04:50.26 | Werdna | I guess I'll install sarge, dist-upgrade, install the kernel and go on fromt here. |
| 04:50.30 | Dwonis | streuner: there are plenty of FTP mirrors |
| 04:50.58 | streuner | there are plenty of windows-servers out there too |
| 04:51.00 | streuner | :-) |
| 04:51.10 | Dwonis | and FTP is a nice protocol; it just doesn't deal with NAT, which is a stupid ugly hack. |
| 04:51.30 | streuner | don't make me hit you hard :-) |
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| 04:51.51 | streuner | if you want discuss if ftp isn't evil you make a big mistake |
| 04:52.07 | vulture | streuner: what's your argument for it's evilness? |
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| 04:52.12 | jmd | Dwonis, It also doesn't deal with many security problems around today. |
| 04:52.15 | Dwonis | streuner: what a convincing argument! |
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| 04:52.26 | Dwonis | jmd: neither does TFTP or HTTP, for that matter |
| 04:52.27 | vulture | (while I'm ambivalent about FTP, I agree that NAT's fugly) |
| 04:52.47 | Dwonis | jmd: or BGP, or SMTP, or POP3, or IMAP, or ... |
| 04:53.14 | streuner | well, ftp sends the passwort in raw mode via i-net :-) |
| 04:53.19 | Werdna | HTTP/HTTPS |
| 04:53.43 | streuner | so almost *EVERYBODY* could see it... |
| 04:53.47 | vulture | streuner: so does HTTP basic auth. |
| 04:54.00 | Dwonis | Since when is leaving crypto to a dedicated crypto layer a bad idea? |
| 04:54.05 | Werdna | I believe in (1) Privacy - nobody reading your traffic (2) Security - Nobody accessing your data (3) Anonymity - nobody knows who you are/where you're coming from. |
| 04:54.09 | slew | is it dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 04:54.09 | vulture | and not "everybody" could see it - it's not like we're all on the same link. |
| 04:54.27 | vulture | Werdna: believe all you want, use ipsec if you so desire |
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| 04:54.48 | mick_home | i'd like to know if it is possible to unban tor users, and at least let them *see* the channel |
| 04:54.55 | Dwonis | Werdna: http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Authentication-Forgotten-Predominant.html |
| 04:55.09 | mick_home | that is a question for an op |
| 04:55.22 | streuner | vulture: you mix apples with bananas :-) |
| 04:55.23 | Dwonis | Werdna: In general, authentication is *really* what you want, above all else. |
| 04:55.37 | Werdna | yes, that's important, too. |
| 04:55.37 | Werdna | trust me. |
| 04:55.40 | Werdna | I use authentication. |
| 04:55.50 | Werdna | 2048-bit SSH keys. |
| 04:55.53 | Werdna | fun. |
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| 04:56.03 | vulture | <insert lame joke about the fact that I don't trust Werdna since he hasn't authenticated himself to me> |
| 04:56.05 | Dwonis | Werdna: Do you check the host key fingerprints when you connect to a new host? |
| 04:56.16 | Werdna | Dwonis, on my own servers, yes. |
| 04:56.30 | slew | how do i reconfigure x? |
| 04:56.38 | streuner | !drxx slew |
| 04:56.39 | dpkg | slew: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:56.41 | Dwonis | Werdna: in any case, that's not the kind of authentication I meant |
| 04:56.56 | Werdna | Dwonis, you mean message authentication?> |
| 04:57.00 | Dwonis | Werdna: precisely |
| 04:57.12 | Dwonis | Werdna: although user authentication is important as well |
| 04:57.26 | Werdna | that falls more under security I guess. |
| 04:57.34 | Werdna | anyway, I sign all my emails, at least. |
| 04:57.56 | Werdna | and use SSL for anything sensitive on my own server. |
| 04:58.01 | Dwonis | Werdna: I used to, but it's not necessarily a good idea |
| 04:58.05 | Dwonis | Werdna: (signing emails) |
| 04:58.13 | slew | streuner, thanks |
| 04:58.16 | Werdna | Dwonis, go on. |
| 04:59.10 | Dwonis | Werdna: ever heard of "Off-the-record" instant messaging? |
| 04:59.29 | Werdna | as in IM that isn't recorded by either party? |
| 04:59.38 | Dwonis | Werdna: basically, you don't necessarily want people to be able to prove that you sent a particular message, especially if you can't prove the same thing about messages *they* sent |
| 05:00.25 | Werdna | I, as a matter of principle, record all conversations that I have, unless there's a legal issue. |
| 05:01.16 | Werdna | and encrypt the fuck out of them. |
| 05:01.21 | Werdna | Email speaking, I don't send that many, and those that I do, I check for things that I don't want disclosed. |
| 05:02.31 | Dwonis | Werdna: The other problem is that if somebody manages to compromise your key, it will probably be harder to deny in court that you really sent whatever messages they sent. |
| 05:02.53 | Werdna | True. |
| 05:03.31 | Werdna | Which is why my keys are periodically renewed (~6mnths); and protected with a secure password. |
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| 05:04.32 | Dwonis | Werdna: If you're generating new keys every 6 months, do you go through a new key signing each time? |
| 05:05.31 | Werdna | Dwonis, meaning..? |
| 05:05.39 | Werdna | a new key signing? |
| 05:06.13 | Dwonis | Werdna: Well, if you're generating new signing keys every 6 months, how do others authenticate them? |
| 05:06.37 | Dwonis | Werdna: I think I meant to say "key signing party" |
| 05:06.39 | Werdna | they come from my root certification authority. |
| 05:06.49 | Werdna | it's PKI |
| 05:07.08 | Dwonis | Werdna: Are you using X.509 or OpenPGP? |
| 05:07.22 | Werdna | X.509 |
| 05:07.32 | Werdna | although I also have OpenPGP |
| 05:07.35 | Dwonis | Speaking of which, I find it absolutely absurd that programs like OpenSSH, GnuPG, and OpenSSL can have so many implementation bugs... |
| 05:07.37 | floundering | Werda, gossip says cryptoloop is very insecure, do you mean loop-AES? |
| 05:07.52 | Werdna | yeah. |
| 05:07.53 | Werdna | that. |
| 05:07.59 | Dwonis | Werdna: How is the X.509 CA's private key protected. |
| 05:08.37 | Werdna | on a database on my WS2k3 domain controller. Smartcard auth required to get onto it. |
| 05:08.55 | Dwonis | Werdna: On a Windows box?? |
| 05:09.38 | Werdna | Dwonis, yes. |
| 05:09.57 | Dwonis | Werdna: Well then. How is the Windows box protected/ |
| 05:09.58 | Dwonis | ? |
| 05:10.13 | floundering | Werda: can you get loop-AES to do root and boot encryption on debian, using the debian packages? |
| 05:10.21 | Werdna | Dwonis, regularly updated & hotfixed, behind a firewall.. |
| 05:10.28 | Dwonis | Werdna: So it's connected to the internet... |
| 05:10.33 | Werdna | floundering, you need sid |
| 05:10.36 | Werdna | Dwonis, yes. |
| 05:11.36 | Dwonis | Werdna: Keep in mind that if you ever access a non-https site outside the firewall using Internet Explorer on that box, you might as well consider it compromised. |
| 05:12.25 | centrx | Werdna oh! I was wondering if werdnabot interpolated archived discussion by the date of the initial comment in a section, even if it was archived not in that order |
| 05:12.51 | Werdna | centrx, (1) I'm on wikibreak; and (2) No. |
| 05:12.58 | floundering | Werda, Thanks :) I will compile from those from sid sources |
| 05:13.21 | Dwonis | Werdna: Anyone who can hijack your TCP connections (which you must assume, or you wouldn't bother with signing your emails in the first place), can replace the DNS and/or HTTP responses from outside the firewall with one that contains a remote exploit for MSIE. And you can pretty much guarantee that you're vulnerable to at least one of those. |
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| 05:13.23 | Werdna | nano /etc/fstab |
| 05:13.24 | Werdna | uh |
| 05:13.35 | Werdna | whoops |
| 05:13.42 | Werdna | Dwonis, fair enough. |
| 05:14.50 | Dwonis | Werdna: Not to say that your system doesn't make it more difficult than nothing, but you're hardly approaching the theoretical security of the crypto. As long as the recipients of your messages understand that, it's probably ok. |
| 05:15.27 | Dwonis | floundering: Why not use dm-crypt with luks instead of loop-aes? |
| 05:15.42 | Werdna | Dwonis, I see. |
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| 05:16.18 | Werdna | Dwonis, my main objective is to add more than a motive in the way of a potential hacker. |
| 05:16.21 | Dwonis | floundering: I've looked at the luks paper, and it actually bothers to deal with some important things (like wiping old passphrases on *real* drives that may have remapped some sectors) |
| 05:17.12 | Dwonis | Werdna: Of course. In general, you just have to make sure that the security you gain isn't less than the security you lose when people overestimate the security system. |
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| 05:17.30 | Werdna | fair enough. |
| 05:17.38 | Werdna | I'm currently working on a flash drive for use on unsecure computers. |
| 05:18.02 | Dwonis | Werdna: eh? |
| 05:18.08 | Werdna | tor/privoxy/openvpn + the convenience of bringing my box wherever I am. |
| 05:18.11 | Werdna | as in, bootable. |
| 05:18.19 | Dwonis | ah. |
| 05:18.21 | Werdna | contains all the stuff I need to work on a usb drive. |
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| 05:19.49 | Werdna | very nifty. |
| 05:19.55 | floundering | Dwonis, if the whole drive is encrypted like with loop-AES that does not matter. |
| 05:20.40 | Dwonis | floundering: huh? |
| 05:21.40 | floundering | Dwonis, sorry, The partition table etc has to be visible doen't it |
| 05:22.48 | floundering | but all partitions can be encryped, then you need external media to boot and pivot root from |
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| 05:23.26 | Dwonis | floundering: I'm confused. dm-crypt can operate either above or below a partitioning scheme (it uses LVM) |
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| 05:24.16 | Dwonis | floundering: I just remember reading about security problems with loop-aes, although I don't recall them at the momeny |
| 05:25.28 | floundering | Dwonis, I read about security problems with dmcrypt too, but these things do get fixed sometimes |
| 05:25.44 | derek_ | Hi |
| 05:25.59 | derek_ | The MD5SUMS has entries for various ISOs |
| 05:26.01 | Dwonis | floundering: It had to do with the disk layout, not with implementation. Also, the only dm-crypt implementation I'm advocating is luks |
| 05:26.26 | Piet | and that is much more usable than loop-aes |
| 05:26.28 | derek_ | So does it need to be edited before checking for a particular ISO downloaded? |
| 05:27.43 | floundering | Dwonis, Its probably about time for me to check out dmcrypt again, because loop-AES is not easy under debian. |
| 05:28.50 | Piet | http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian |
| 05:28.50 | danf_1979 | depkg -l mysql-server shows the following: "un mysql-server No Version No description". I read somewhere that "un" stands for status unpacked, error none. I did a aptitude clean, but nothing changed... what should I do? the package is NOT installed, but it doesn't say so like in other packages |
| 05:28.54 | Dwonis | floundering: Yeah. I did a luks-as-root-filesystem install recently, although I ended up wiping it because I didn't need it and it slows down my poor P3-733 too much (when using VMware.... heh) |
| 05:29.40 | derek_ | anybody? |
| 05:29.47 | Dwonis | floundering: It was reasonably easy, although there was a bit of a trick to getting the initial ramdisk working. IIRC, I used yaird and forced it to load the right modules |
| 05:30.27 | Dwonis | derek_: Why would you need to edit the md5sums file? |
| 05:30.38 | floundering | Dwonis, and Piet root loop-AES is fine once its installed, and as long as you do not want to change the kernel :( |
| 05:31.38 | Jeffroiscool | !Debianrox |
| 05:31.43 | Jeffroiscool | :D |
| 05:32.26 | Piet | floundering: nor the encryption password |
| 05:32.53 | Dwonis | floundering: Have a look at "New Methods in Hard Disk Encryption": http://clemens.endorphin.org/publications |
| 05:33.17 | Dwonis | floundering: Apparently loop-aes uses straight block-wise CBC, which is severely vulnerable to watermarking attacks |
| 05:33.20 | derek_ | Dwonis: did you read all that I wrote? |
| 05:34.10 | Dwonis | derek_: "Hi" "The MD5SUMS has entries for various ISOs" "So does it need to be edited before checking for a particular ISO downloaded?" "anybody?" |
| 05:35.23 | derek_ | Dwonis: yeah. So it has entries for a lot of ISOs and not for just the one I downloaded. |
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| 05:36.37 | derek_ | http://ftp.tiscali.be/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 05:36.52 | Dwonis | derek_: Oh, yeah, you can remove the lines for the files you don't have, if you want |
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| 05:36.55 | floundering | Dwonis: The right choice seems to change every few months :( I will have to check it out and have a look at the SID version |
| 05:37.05 | dylan_ | What is the codec I must download to be able to view mp4 media files? |
| 05:37.41 | dmsantam | dylan_, libmp4v2-0 |
| 05:37.47 | dylan_ | thanks |
| 05:37.47 | derek_ | Dwonis: ok, thx. |
| 05:37.59 | dmsantam | dylan_, or if you're using xmms - xmms-mp4 |
| 05:38.07 | dylan_ | libmp4v2-0 is not a package |
| 05:38.15 | dmsantam | dylan_, are you on sid |
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| 05:38.30 | dylan_ | sarge |
| 05:38.30 | dmsantam | or sarge? |
| 05:38.34 | dmsantam | oh.. let me check then |
| 05:38.38 | dylan_ | thx |
| 05:39.43 | dmsantam | dylan_, sorry, i don't konw |
| 05:39.53 | dmsantam | dylan_, but i found this page for xmms and mp4 on sarge: http://www.captain.at/howto-debian-sarge-xmms-mp4-plugin.php |
| 05:40.02 | dylan_ | thanks |
| 05:41.05 | dylan_ | hmmm |
| 05:41.10 | dylan_ | i generally only install stable packages |
| 05:41.36 | Dwonis | floundering: Yead, luks has problems too. It defaults to using ESSIV mostly (which is essentially IV(sector) = E_salt(sector), where salt = H(K)), which still violates ciphertext indistinguishability because it's deterministic. |
| 05:42.15 | Dwonis | floundering: Frankly, I'd be willing to dedicate 0.5-2% of my disk space for storing random initialization vectors, but people seem to think that's too expensive |
| 05:42.23 | dmsantam | dylan_, then you are destined to miss out on old stuff :( |
| 05:42.27 | dmsantam | on NEW stuff rather ;) |
| 05:42.31 | dylan_ | meh |
| 05:42.35 | dylan_ | it will be stable soon |
| 05:42.39 | dmsantam | dylan_, true :) |
| 05:42.41 | dylan_ | i can live without mp4 |
| 05:42.45 | dmsantam | dylan_, :) |
| 05:42.49 | dylan_ | and flash and java, as well |
| 05:42.53 | dylan_ | screw proprietary software! |
| 05:43.06 | dmsantam | hehehe |
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| 05:44.24 | Dwonis | dylan_: hear hear! |
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| 05:45.58 | derek_ | D:\>md5sum.exe -c md5sum |
| 05:46.01 | derek_ | debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso: OK |
| 05:46.01 | derek_ | yay! |
| 05:46.28 | Dwonis | derek_: Where did you get your md5sum.exe, and your md5sums file? |
| 05:47.01 | derek_ | http://www.etree.org/cgi-bin/counter.cgi/software/md5sum.exe |
| 05:47.29 | Dwonis | how do you know that that program wasn't modified by an attacker? |
| 05:47.37 | derek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.43 | Dwonis | ditto |
| 05:48.03 | derek_ | I presumed it wasn't. heh. |
| 05:48.29 | Dwonis | sigh.. I want DNSSEC _now_ |
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| 05:51.23 | CDigger | hi all |
| 05:51.35 | Werdna | hi |
| 05:52.18 | floundering | Dwonis: and disks are cheap. If it can improve security, I am for it. |
| 05:53.09 | Dwonis | floundering: I should really implement that, but I probably won't unless people nag me persistently. |
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| 05:53.48 | cat | is ubuntu getting popular,? than debian |
| 05:54.07 | cat | there is only 363 users here an on ubuntu there is 700 and something |
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| 05:54.18 | Dwonis | cat: That's because this isn't the official Debian channel anymore |
| 05:54.31 | Dwonis | cat: Debian users are split between this channel and irc://irc.debian.org/debian |
| 05:54.55 | Dwonis | cat: also, Debian users are smarter so they don't need as much help ;) |
| 05:54.57 | stoned | cat, either way, to answer your question, yes, ubuntu is more popular |
| 05:55.19 | stoned | cat, but popular doesn't always mean good |
| 05:55.41 | stoned | MS Windows is the most popular OS, but that doesn't make it good |
| 05:55.43 | cat | that sucks because debian is one of the best stuff ever i have debian in all of my boxes |
| 05:55.51 | CHodapp | Ubuntu has a reputation for being easy and friendly, from what I've seen |
| 05:56.11 | stoned | cat, that is why most of the bigger distros are debian based |
| 05:56.29 | stoned | CHodapp, at the expense of performance |
| 05:56.37 | cat | true |
| 05:56.38 | CHodapp | How so? |
| 05:56.41 | Dwonis | egad... Mandriva is such a hack... |
| 05:56.51 | stoned | ubuntu installs tons of unneeded shit by default, its bloat, and tons of services are on by default |
| 05:57.05 | derek_ | is Mandriva debian based? |
| 05:57.06 | dmsantam | stoned, what are you on about |
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| 05:57.08 | Dwonis | Mandriva's idea of security is removing read permission from the /usr/bin directory |
| 05:57.10 | dmsantam | derek_, NO |
| 05:57.11 | Dwonis | derek_: no |
| 05:57.18 | derek_ | ok |
| 05:57.28 | dmsantam | stoned, that's not true at all |
| 05:57.36 | Dwonis | And you need to be in a particular group in order to use compiler tools... yet you could upload your own copy of gcc and run that without a hitch |
| 05:57.40 | stoned | plus, most of the people in #ubuntu don't really respond to serious linux questions, that is why most of them show up here for stuff. |
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| 05:58.06 | Dwonis | (this is in its "paranoid security" mode, which you pretty much need to keep arbitrary services from listening on INADDR_ANY) |
| 05:58.35 | Dwonis | not to mention that random packages just don't work |
| 05:58.49 | stoned | ubuntu is the xp of linuz |
| 05:58.50 | stoned | linux* |
| 05:59.02 | stoned | its crapware and nothing that anyone can say/do will change my opinion |
| 05:59.04 | Dwonis | stoned: That's not fair. RPM-based distros are far worse |
| 05:59.06 | derek_ | heh |
| 05:59.07 | stoned | you can disagree all you want |
| 05:59.11 | stoned | you have every right to |
| 05:59.12 | stoned | :) |
| 05:59.18 | derek_ | yeah they are making it more graphical |
| 05:59.20 | CHodapp | Give Ubuntu some credit for being an entry-level distro... |
| 05:59.44 | stoned | like I said, its the XP of linux, imo, so its all entry level basic desktop user shit |
| 05:59.50 | Dwonis | stoned: If Ubuntu is the XP of Linuxes, then I guess Mandriva is the WinME |
| 05:59.51 | stoned | its not for serious unix/linux admins |
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| 06:00.01 | dondelelcaro | whatever it is, it's rather OT here. |
| 06:00.02 | stoned | Dwonis, couldn't have said it better |
| 06:00.18 | stoned | dondelelcaro, my bad |
| 06:00.42 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: Being a Debian bigot on #debian is offtopic? Since when? ;) |
| 06:00.43 | stoned | is there an approximate etch release date? |
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| 06:01.08 | dondelelcaro | stoned: there's a schedule, but that's it. |
| 06:01.11 | stoned | this year? sometime next year? any idea |
| 06:01.13 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:01.28 | Dwonis | !wir |
| 06:01.28 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 06:01.31 | dondelelcaro | stoned: the schedule has it for december 2006; we're close to being on schedule, but we're a bit far out to know. |
| 06:01.54 | stoned | dondelelcaro, nice, seems like etch is coming along faster then sarge |
| 06:02.44 | dondelelcaro | yes, it definetly won't take as long so long as people keep contributing; especially as we don't have any serious blockers right now. |
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| 06:03.14 | stoned | well, my part probably won't be done before etch is relesaed |
| 06:03.26 | stoned | I have been working on localizing in Urdu for some weeks now |
| 06:03.45 | dondelelcaro | everyone can help fix RC bugs |
| 06:04.01 | stoned | yup, we do what we can |
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| 06:08.10 | Bl4d3fire | what si the command to see all opperations with a certain name? I want to cancel wmXMMS |
| 06:08.21 | stoned | Bl4d3fire, man ps |
| 06:08.31 | stoned | Bl4d3fire, to list processes do ps x |
| 06:08.41 | stoned | Bl4d3fire, to get a specifics on the output read the man/info pages |
| 06:09.03 | LaptopAncient | Bl4d3fire: i ofetn use 'ps auxwww|grep <name to search for>' |
| 06:09.09 | stoned | Bl4d3fire, or simply killall wmxmms or killall -9 wmxmms |
| 06:09.37 | stoned | stew, nice |
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| 06:10.13 | derek_ | Ubuntu might prove to be one distro that may pull more (new) users towards linux |
| 06:10.25 | derek_ | the latest release has won some awards |
| 06:10.30 | stew | we're not looking good according to the schedule that says we should be < 200 rc bugs by the end of this month, since now we are close to 300 |
| 06:10.54 | LaptopAncient | ubuntu is good for newbs, pure debian is for me |
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| 06:11.30 | mahyar | What is the other command that tells you what process is reserving a file? |
| 06:11.35 | mahyar | (other than lsof) |
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| 06:17.41 | stoned | while using aptitude, /search for the package, highlight it, and press h to hold it, but I don't see anything changing on the screen, how do I confirm if the package is being held without having to try an upgrade? |
| 06:18.23 | qwertz | Hi, I'd like ntpd to not bind to every IP address. So there is a cli option -L but I'd like to set in ntpd.conf but don't know the option to set - any help? |
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| 06:19.20 | stoned | btw, this is about the program itself, the ncurses interface, not talking about command line switches |
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| 06:20.09 | k-google | stoned: should be marked IIRC 'h' in the left margin. |
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| 06:23.06 | Razva | good mornin' :) |
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| 06:23.51 | Razva | folks, isn't there *some* program that checks vulnerabilities, scans the system for modified files and modified ports, etc etc, than mails it, like "msec" and "diff" in mandriva? |
| 06:24.23 | netdaemon | tripwire perhaps? |
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| 06:24.35 | Razva | lemme google it a sec |
| 06:25.04 | netdaemon | never used it but that sounds about like what you need =) |
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| 06:25.30 | Presently42 | Is there any way to carry a copy from one VT to another? |
| 06:25.33 | Razva | aha, because I'll be away for one month and I need to monitor my server. what's the best way to do that? |
| 06:25.40 | Razva | because I can't ssh from my phone hehe |
| 06:25.49 | Razva | or I can but it's faaar to slow |
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| 06:27.09 | stoned | ohhh nevermind |
| 06:27.10 | Razva | ok, seems tripwire isn't free |
| 06:27.12 | stoned | I read wrong in the menu |
| 06:27.13 | Dwonis | Razva: tripwire did this (with files, anyway) but AFAIK, it's proprietary. AIDE also does it, but you have handle authenticating the file lists manually, if you're going to store them on the same server. |
| 06:27.23 | stoned | its "=" to hold a package, and it displays an |
| 06:27.30 | stoned | "h" if its held |
| 06:27.33 | stoned | damn enter key |
| 06:27.56 | cast | Razva: there is a free tripwire |
| 06:28.11 | Razva | cast yeah, found it on sf but with no docs etc etc |
| 06:28.21 | Dwonis | Razva: apt-get install aide |
| 06:28.27 | cast | 'Tripwire is a free and open-source software tool. ' 'The original developer of the software was Tripwire, Inc. However, the product has evolved in open source.' |
| 06:28.38 | Razva | tripwire - file and directory integrity checker |
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| 06:28.45 | cast | the debian tw package certainly has docs |
| 06:28.47 | pmv_ | Good day all |
| 06:28.57 | Razva | ok, so aide or tripwire? |
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| 06:29.14 | Razva | I need to receive *some* daily stats regarding my machine open ports and modified files |
| 06:29.21 | stoned | during an upgrade, there are a few packages that are being kept back, how can I find out the reason why they are being held back, not the ones I wanted held, but other ones, they shouldn't be depends of that one though, no relation whatsoever |
| 06:29.32 | cast | i did find tripwire a bit confusing to use though, ;) |
| 06:29.41 | Razva | ok, let me try aide then :) |
| 06:29.44 | pmv_ | I seem to be having problems setting up acpi-support on Sid |
| 06:30.13 | tvn | can I share files on a (Linux) server running nfs with (Windows) clients ? |
| 06:30.28 | stoned | tnv, if you can find a windows nfs client, sure |
| 06:30.29 | pmv_ | For some reason, it seems to be writing incorrectly to my swap partition when I hibernate, because when I resume, the kernel can't find the swap signature |
| 06:30.30 | Dwonis | Razva: I think the main difference between aide and tripwire is that tripwire tries to integrate signing the data files. aide leaves this up to you. |
| 06:30.33 | pmv_ | Any thoughts? |
| 06:30.34 | netdaemon | mmmm sid |
| 06:30.44 | stoned | tvn, why not samba |
| 06:31.01 | cast | pmv_: not use swap :> |
| 06:31.07 | Presently42 | Any ideas on how to copy text from one VT to an other? |
| 06:31.16 | stoned | !gpm |
| 06:31.16 | dpkg | from memory, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 06:31.27 | pmv_ | cast: But then I won't be able to hibernate |
| 06:31.33 | stoned | Presently42, use gpm |
| 06:31.51 | cast | pmv_: oh, my bad. i have never hibernated before :| |
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| 06:31.59 | Presently42 | stoned: I'll look it up. Thanks. |
| 06:32.02 | pmv_ | So the kernel doesn't recognize the swap partition, so I have to manually mkswap and swapon |
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| 06:32.14 | mahyar | what is the command that changes your current x windows resolution while in the session? |
| 06:32.16 | pmv_ | And when I reboot it seems to be okay, but then hibernating screws it up again |
| 06:32.16 | Dwonis | pmv_: Are you sure it's actually resuming? |
| 06:32.40 | dj_ryan_ | anyone else notice that gallery1 is broken in sid? |
| 06:32.40 | pmv_ | cast: It's kind of a necessity, as I'm on a notebook |
| 06:32.42 | Dwonis | pmv_: If it doesn't actually resume, then the resume data will be on the swap partition, so naturally you can't use it for swap without reinitializing it. |
| 06:32.51 | cast | Presently42: screen has a paste function FWIW |
| 06:33.15 | pmv_ | Dwonis: Ah.. there's an inspiring thought. So the kernel isn't actually supposed to read from swap? |
| 06:33.19 | Presently42 | cast: Which would you recommend, screen or gpm? |
| 06:33.32 | pmv_ | I mean, if it's resuming? |
| 06:33.37 | stoned | well, I've looked everywhere I know of, I can't figure out how to find the reason why a certain package is being held back *it shouldn't be* |
| 06:33.59 | cast | Presently42: two different things, but if you're using the console certainly get to know screen, its a very useful tool |
| 06:34.00 | Dwonis | pmv_: Well, if it's *actually* resuming, then once the resume process is complete, the swap space is supposed to act like swap space again. |
| 06:34.14 | stoned | Presently42, gpm is not only just for copy/paste btw |
| 06:34.28 | stoned | Presently42, plus is it easier to use a mouse than it is to use a keyboard, in many respects |
| 06:34.34 | Dwonis | pmv_: But if for some reason the resume process isn't actually happening, and you ended up just rebooting from scratch, then the swap partition won't look like swap, because it has resume data on it. |
| 06:34.39 | pmv_ | So it's not regular swap data when it resumes |
| 06:34.41 | Presently42 | stoned, cast: I'll compare both. Thanks much. |
| 06:34.50 | pmv_ | Dwonis: Yeah, I get you |
| 06:34.57 | cast | Presently42: two different things! can not be compared. perhaps use both |
| 06:34.58 | Dwonis | pmv_: It's not regular swap data when it *suspends*. When it resumes, it should be fine. |
| 06:35.18 | pmv_ | Are you familiar with the way the kernel does ACPI resumes? |
| 06:35.20 | Dwonis | pmv_: If your resume process is working, but for some reason you can't use swap after you resume, then it's probably a bug. |
| 06:35.22 | Razva | folks, regarding aide...sole problem :) /var/lib/aide/aide.db.new doesn't exists in order to edit it.... |
| 06:35.35 | Dwonis | pmv_: ACPI resumes? Oh, what I'm talking about is swsusp |
| 06:35.56 | pmv_ | Nono, I can't resume at all |
| 06:36.01 | Presently42 | cast: Perhaps compare was a bad word. I'll look them both up and use both if I think it approrpiate. Thanks much. |
| 06:36.10 | Razva | Dwonis can you please inform me how can I install it? |
| 06:36.15 | pmv_ | When I boot up it goes to regular boot, and since it doesn't find the swap sig, it doesn't swapon it |
| 06:36.22 | Dwonis | Razva: What, aide? apt-get install aide |
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| 06:36.46 | pmv_ | Dunedan: Do you mean uswsusp? |
| 06:37.09 | pmv_ | I'm not using suspend2, I'm using the vanilla kernel ACPI_SUSPEND |
| 06:37.11 | Dwonis | pmv_: Do you have the "resume=/dev/hdsomething" kernel parameter set? |
| 06:37.39 | pmv_ | In grub? |
| 06:37.49 | Dwonis | pmv_: yes, in grub, but only for swsusp |
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| 06:38.12 | Dwonis | pmv_: ACPI_SUSPEND depends *entirely* on your BIOS, AFAIK, and generally it can't share the swap partition |
| 06:38.23 | Dwonis | pmv_: although if it's hosing your swap partition, that might be the problem |
| 06:38.37 | Dwonis | pmv_: BIOS hibernation tends to be excessively picky about the layout of the hard disk |
| 06:38.43 | stoned | could anyone kindly help me |
| 06:38.43 | pmv_ | Dwonis: No, I think ACPI_SUSPEND still uses the swap partition |
| 06:39.09 | Razva | Dwonis sure, did that, but it needs to be configured right? |
| 06:39.27 | Dwonis | pmv_: There are three ways of doing hibernation in Linux: BIOS, swsusp, and suspend2 (aka swsusp2) |
| 06:39.30 | pmv_ | Dwonis: so do you mean suspend2, for which you need to patch the kernel, or the new userspace uswsusp package, which works with 2.6.17-RC1 up |
| 06:39.43 | Dwonis | pmv_: I've never even heard of uswsusp |
| 06:39.48 | pmv_ | It's new |
| 06:40.11 | pmv_ | Anyway, I know I have the ACPI_SUSPEND config in my kernel |
| 06:40.26 | pmv_ | Would that correspond to BIOS or swsusp? |
| 06:40.32 | pmv_ | Cus I know I'm not using suspend2. |
| 06:40.41 | stoned | I don't want to repeat again |
| 06:41.00 | stoned | but, I've looked everywhere I know of, I can't figure out how to find the reason why a certain package is being held back |
| 06:41.17 | dj_ryan | anyone have a lil problem with gallery1 on sid? |
| 06:41.29 | Razva | ok, how can I re-install a package, because seems I've missed something out. |
| 06:41.34 | pmv_ | I'll keep looking, I guess .. |
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| 06:41.52 | Razva | if I apt-get remove it it doesn't askes me the same "questions" like the first time (regarding file creation, etc etc) |
| 06:41.53 | stoned | Razva, either remove it, clean cache, and install again, or apt-get intstall --reinstall |
| 06:42.09 | netdaemon | brave people...running sid |
| 06:42.25 | dj_ryan | netdaemon, yes, well y'know. |
| 06:42.30 | dj_ryan | turns out older = not working so much |
| 06:42.32 | Razva | stoned removed it, still "some" config files remain |
| 06:42.45 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 06:42.49 | stoned | Razva, --purge remove |
| 06:42.51 | Dwonis | pmv_: I think ACPI suspend is BIOS. |
| 06:42.53 | netdaemon | i run sid when i have the connection for it |
| 06:43.04 | netdaemon | Razva: apt-get remove --purge |
| 06:43.05 | dj_ryan | yes |
| 06:43.14 | dj_ryan | i had a need to get mythtv running, and it _WILL NOT_ run on < sid |
| 06:43.21 | dj_ryan | nosir, dont even talk to me about non-sid |
| 06:43.25 | netdaemon | lol |
| 06:43.32 | netdaemon | thinks work fine on my box with testing |
| 06:43.41 | netdaemon | though they have some packages in sid that they don't have in etch so... |
| 06:43.47 | dj_ryan | ah ha |
| 06:43.51 | dj_ryan | so it doesnt work "fine" |
| 06:43.54 | dj_ryan | it works "ok" with "some hacking" |
| 06:44.05 | Razva | netdaemon Purging configuration files for aide ... <- YAY :D |
| 06:44.15 | dj_ryan | even on sid i was getting some weird X11 compile errors, weird. boring and irrelevant to my life. |
| 06:44.25 | Razva | ok, how can I clean the cache? I've read apt-cache --help but nothing found regarding cleaning |
| 06:44.35 | netdaemon | iirc aptitude is prefered by the debian people over apt-get |
| 06:44.43 | netdaemon | nowdays |
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| 06:45.09 | Razva | found |
| 06:45.25 | dj_ryan | i fear aptitute may be turning back into dselect |
| 06:45.48 | netdaemon | dj_ryan: why is that? |
| 06:46.03 | dj_ryan | i just ran it and the user interface looked similar |
| 06:46.17 | dj_ryan | the dual pane thing |
| 06:46.20 | dj_ryan | i was like 'oh noes' |
| 06:46.29 | netdaemon | dj_ryan: aptitude install foobar |
| 06:46.37 | netdaemon | that will keep your apt-get type interface |
| 06:46.43 | netdaemon | if you run it without arguments you get that... |
| 06:46.44 | Razva | Dwonis is it normal for aide to stay so long at the first start? |
| 06:46.48 | dj_ryan | sure but why not run apt-get install foobar? |
| 06:46.54 | netdaemon | i dunno |
| 06:46.58 | dj_ryan | exactly |
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| 06:47.06 | Dwonis | Razva: It's hashing a ton of files, so yeah |
| 06:47.06 | netdaemon | aptitude purge foobar |
| 06:47.07 | netdaemon | ;) |
| 06:47.08 | netdaemon | thats why |
| 06:47.10 | Dwonis | Razva: I think |
| 06:47.13 | netdaemon | less to type =) |
| 06:47.15 | iLLf8d | foobar is huge, better off installing fubar-core |
| 06:47.26 | dj_ryan | lol totally true |
| 06:47.28 | netdaemon | iLLf8d: touche.... |
| 06:47.31 | Razva | Dwonis ok, how can I "test" it, like force it to send a report? |
| 06:47.34 | dj_ryan | also i hear you can use bar-core as a repalcement |
| 06:47.45 | Dwonis | Razva: corrupt some file it checks? |
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| 06:48.07 | netdaemon | anyone know the file where i can tell xorg to use dpi 75 fonts by default? |
| 06:48.12 | netdaemon | i'v lost it |
| 06:48.13 | netdaemon | =\ |
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| 06:48.22 | Razva | another question, how can I set the root e-mail? |
| 06:48.31 | Dwonis | Razva: but pay attention to the fact that an attacker who gets root can also modify your AIDE data files, or even the AIDE executable, so be careful |
| 06:48.31 | Razva | like forward it to another address |
| 06:48.52 | Razva | Dwonis yeah, still it's more secure than nothing... |
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| 06:49.08 | Dwonis | Razva: As long as you don't trust it more than you should, yes. |
| 06:49.54 | dj_ryan | looks like is_user was removed from php4/5 and gallery1 still depends on that, and debian sid still hasn't been upgrade. brilliant. |
| 06:50.01 | dj_ryan | is there any point to reporting a bug? |
| 06:50.25 | flurdoing | hello... i'm trying to edit lilo.conf on my dead deb box by connecting it to another non linux system. is it possible to do this despite being unable to write the config to boot sector by running lilo? |
| 06:50.38 | Razva | ok, shouldn't I set some list of files he needs to protect or something like that...? |
| 06:51.13 | iLLf8d | flurdoing, sounds like you'll need a linux dist and a bit of chrooting |
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| 06:51.31 | iLLf8d | s/linux dist/live cd or tomsrtboot or something similar |
| 06:51.34 | flurdoing | the dead box has no fd/cdrom/pxe |
| 06:51.42 | Razva | Dwonis oh, found it: /etc/aide/aide.conf |
| 06:51.51 | flurdoing | iLLf8d: i have no way to boot off other media :/ |
| 06:52.08 | iLLf8d | well I'd wait and get/borrow something then |
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| 06:52.14 | Dwonis | flurdoing: can you take out the hard drive? |
| 06:52.19 | flurdoing | Dwonis: yeah |
| 06:52.42 | flurdoing | i have it connected to a win32 box via ide2usb with a fs driver to enable ext2 rw |
| 06:52.46 | Dwonis | flurdoing: well, you can put it into another computer that *has* a cdrom, then boot Knoppix or whatever, the same as you would otherwise |
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| 06:53.50 | flurdoing | knoppix doesnt support my cheap ide2usb cable :( |
| 06:53.53 | Dwonis | s/the same/and to the same things/ |
| 06:54.06 | Dwonis | flurdoing: You don't have a computer with an internal IDE CD-ROM drive? |
| 06:54.23 | flurdoing | nope :/ i have a desktop and a laptop |
| 06:54.33 | Dwonis | flurdoing: and are you sure it doesn't support it? It would typically show up as a SCSI drive (e.g. /dev/sda or whatever) |
| 06:55.22 | flurdoing | i'll give it another shot... if i do get the disk mounted, how do i get lilo to write the mbr on a specific disk (i'll read man) |
| 06:55.53 | Dwonis | flurdoing: I think you set boot= or something |
| 06:56.03 | Dwonis | flurdoing: grub is a little more flexible that way |
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| 06:56.16 | Razva | s2:/home/scarynet/bin# aide -u |
| 06:56.16 | Razva | /usr/bin/aide: line 9: 21335 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/aide.real $@ |
| 06:56.16 | Razva | s2:/home/scarynet/bin# |
| 06:56.17 | flurdoing | Dwonis: true, about grub... |
| 06:56.30 | Razva | Dwonis lol, nice program :)) |
| 06:56.33 | flurdoing | i'm trying to recover from an apt-get that installed a new kernel which now panics :( |
| 06:57.02 | Dwonis | Razva: sigh. I haven't used aide lately |
| 06:57.47 | Dwonis | Razva: You *could* just run something like "find /bin /sbin /lib /boot /usr/lib /usr/bin /usr/sbin -type f -print0 | xargs sha1sum" |
| 06:57.58 | Dwonis | Razva: Of course that wouldn't check the integrity of symlinks |
| 06:58.09 | Razva | Dwonis: This is an automated report generated by the Advanced Intrusion Detection. exit value is: 139 |
| 06:58.09 | Razva | /usr/bin/aide: line 9: 21361 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/aide.real $@ |
| 06:58.18 | Razva | so that's what he mailed me =)) |
| 06:58.30 | cast | lol. |
| 06:58.30 | Dwonis | Razva: run "reportbug aide" |
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| 06:58.46 | cast | Razva: there's also debsums |
| 06:58.56 | cast | pretty weak compared to tw, but meh. |
| 07:00.00 | Dwonis | cast: It depends on your goal. If you're just trying to detect broken files, then debsums, and unauthenticated aide (if it worked) would be fine. |
| 07:00.25 | Dwonis | cast: If you're trying to determine which files were modified after a root compromise, you have to be much more careful, and you generally need the involvement of an external, trusted, machine |
| 07:00.30 | Presently42 | I've got a problem concerning grub. I removed the debian installation from my other partition. Sadly, I'd been forced to install grub from there to the MBR. I reinstalled debian to that partition, but via debootstrap, so it hasn't got the package grub. Now, the primary partition, the one I'm using now, has the grub package installed. This is the one I want to use. The question: If I reboot, will there be a grub? If so, from where |
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| 07:00.43 | Zap-W | SBM is all gui? |
| 07:00.47 | Zap-W | smart boot manager |
| 07:00.47 | Razva | from where can I change the default root e-mail? |
| 07:01.00 | Razva | because it's root@box but I'll never use that mail add :)) |
| 07:01.27 | Dwonis | Or you could just use TCPA to protect the boot process ;) |
| 07:01.30 | vulture | Razva: just setup a forward, should've been part of setup.. |
| 07:01.53 | Razva | vulture yeah, and if I've skiped that step? :) |
| 07:01.56 | netdaemon | dpkg-reconfigure nameofthatprogramwhateveritis |
| 07:02.09 | netdaemon | Razva: see above... |
| 07:02.13 | netdaemon | lol |
| 07:02.26 | Razva | so I kinda need to reconfigure the forwarding... :D |
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| 07:02.41 | netdaemon | dpgk-reconfigure mail? i dunno |
| 07:02.49 | netdaemon | i just set this box up yesterday... |
| 07:02.52 | netdaemon | can't remember atm =\ |
| 07:03.14 | Dwonis | entdaemon: maybe it's exim4 |
| 07:03.21 | Presently42 | Wait, maybe I didn't.... |
| 07:03.22 | cast | exim-config |
| 07:03.33 | Razva | I use postfix |
| 07:03.33 | cast | i love that app <3 |
| 07:03.42 | Presently42 | Well, it doesn't matter. I want grub to be installed to the MBR from THIS partition. How do I do that? |
| 07:03.46 | Dwonis | I use postfix too. Hate it with a passion. |
| 07:03.54 | Razva | hehe |
| 07:04.07 | Dwonis | stupid qmail proprietaryness and outdatedness |
| 07:04.07 | Zap-W | Presently42: have you tried Smart boot manageR? |
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| 07:04.26 | Razva | E: Couldn't find package dpgk-reconfigure |
| 07:04.35 | Razva | oh, idiot me! |
| 07:04.36 | Presently42 | Zap-W: Can't say I have. What of it? Is that a replacement? |
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| 07:04.54 | netdaemon | Razva: its part of dpkg... |
| 07:04.54 | netdaemon | lol |
| 07:05.00 | netdaemon | in other words, its installed already |
| 07:05.12 | Zap-W | Presently42: appears to be good |
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| 07:05.19 | dj_ryan | man |
| 07:05.27 | dj_ryan | after upgrading the same debian system for like 10+ years |
| 07:05.34 | Dwonis | Presently42: You might try running grub-floppy, or getting one of those bootable CD images with grub on it, just in case. |
| 07:05.40 | dj_ryan | the latest... quality oriented changes has messed it up horribly |
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| 07:05.45 | dj_ryan | things that should work, dont. |
| 07:05.53 | Werdna | hi guys. |
| 07:05.54 | Presently42 | Zap-W: Have you tried it? |
| 07:05.59 | Zap-W | gonna try it |
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| 07:06.04 | Werdna | Any idea how I can get rid of some pesky broken packages? |
| 07:06.16 | Razva | Werdna apt-get remove ? |
| 07:06.33 | Presently42 | Dwonis: I haven't got a floppy-drive; this is a laptop. Can I stick it on to a USB key of 16MB? |
| 07:06.34 | Werdna | Razva, any easy way to list the broken packages? |
| 07:06.57 | Dwonis | Presently42: depends if your laptop will boot USB keys. |
| 07:07.01 | Razva | Werdna I personally don't know, I'm a newbie in debian :) |
| 07:07.12 | Dwonis | Presently42: Another way is to chroot into the target machine and run grub-install from there |
| 07:07.13 | Presently42 | Zap-W: I'm not too keen on trying out soem thing even the recommender hasn't tried. But, thanks for the tip. |
| 07:07.24 | Dwonis | Presently42: s/machine/filesystem/ |
| 07:07.27 | Zap-W | hehe |
| 07:07.54 | Zap-W | can SBM boot from an .ISO image? |
| 07:08.28 | Presently42 | Dwonis: I'm using the target machine now. I'll try grub-install. I'm not sure what s/machine/filesystem/ is for: A parameter of grub-install? |
| 07:09.02 | Dwonis | Presently42: All it means is that in my message, I wrote "machine" when I meant "filesystem". It's perl substitution syntax. Don't worry about it. |
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| 07:09.49 | dj_ryan | is it still possible to install debian via the 'net? |
| 07:10.00 | Presently42 | Dwonis: Ah. Yes, I'm not a coder. This is one thing I don't really want to try at the moment. Maybe some day. I must seem like an utter newb. Ugh. |
| 07:10.33 | pmv_ | dj_ryan: Yeah, just get the netinstall ISO |
| 07:10.35 | Dwonis | Presently42: Most people seem like "an utter newb" to *somebody*. Don't sweat it. |
| 07:10.39 | pmv_ | That's the easy way, at least |
| 07:10.53 | dj_ryan | pmv_ ok cool. i recall a time where it wasnt ok to do so. |
| 07:11.01 | cast | hmm, should i be worried that debsums says /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-k7/modules.* all failed, i take it those files are all machine dependant? |
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| 07:11.22 | pmv_ | dj_ryan: I just did it myself. You can get the 30-meg business card ISO, burn it, boot, and get the rest online. |
| 07:11.37 | dj_ryan | yeah |
| 07:11.49 | dj_ryan | does it support a md-based root fs? |
| 07:12.02 | pmv_ | Or get the 100+ meg netinstall iso. It at least installs the base system already, so you don't hafta take the CD around. |
| 07:12.05 | Razva | Dwonis ooook, seems after reinstalling it everything works ok. thanks a lot! |
| 07:12.17 | pmv_ | Useful if you're on a notebook and use an external CD drive |
| 07:12.25 | Razva | another question: I need that kinda "aide" thingy for new open ports. |
| 07:12.46 | pmv_ | Dwonis: So, this swsusp you're talking about, what package is it? |
| 07:12.49 | cast | Razva: why not just setup a firewall? |
| 07:12.53 | Presently42 | Dwonis: Thanks. By the way, I'm using XFS and have a seperate /boot directory on an other partition in addition to the one under / on this partition. I'm rather scared to make my system un-bootable. Looking at the grub-install -h, I'm not sure what options I need to make this understood by grub. Perhaps try the recheck first? |
| 07:13.02 | pmv_ | Cus there's only uswsusp on Sid nowadays |
| 07:14.22 | dj_ryan | pmv_ this is a server with 500 GB of disk. i hope to more or less delete everything but /home on the filesystem and install overlayed that |
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| 07:15.16 | Dwonis | Presently42: If you're scared of making your system unbootable, you probably will. Your first priority should be having some sort of removable media (CD, usb key, DVD, network, etc) to boot from, and testing that it works. |
| 07:15.29 | Razva | Dwonis OR NOT... Same problem with the segfault |
| 07:15.46 | Werdna | it refuses to work. |
| 07:16.35 | netdaemon | Werdna: try aptitude? |
| 07:16.38 | netdaemon | same switches |
| 07:16.51 | Werdna | netdaemon, I have a stack of broken packages. |
| 07:17.00 | Dwonis | Razva: It's a bug then. File a bug report. |
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| 07:17.29 | Dwonis | Razva: Either that, or your CPU is overheating :) |
| 07:17.40 | Presently42 | Dwonis: Thanks for the encouragement! I'll have to try to get that usb key to work. Some how. Any way, I just need to know where to stick grub so it recognises the xfs partition and the /boot partition. I'll look in the man pages or full documentation pages. Unless you know, off hand? |
| 07:18.09 | Werdna | Presently42, I'm following http://feraga.com/node/25 |
| 07:18.18 | roxy_ | what package add encrypted dvd support ? (I got marillat repos in my source.list) |
| 07:18.23 | Werdna | but my apt is refusing to work |
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| 07:18.41 | Dwonis | Presently42: You can always mount the /boot partition under the chroot |
| 07:19.15 | Presently42 | Dwonis: And do the grub-install from there? |
| 07:20.07 | Dwonis | Presently42: yup, that's the easiest thing to do. Generally, the boot loaders are easier to install from an already-booted system. |
| 07:20.24 | p0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.38 | sng | two by four. |
| 07:20.55 | sng | As in. "Take one to it". |
| 07:21.33 | roxy_ | p0t: alsa ? |
| 07:21.34 | Dwonis | Presently42: but yeah, I always have some kind of live-cd distro when I'm messing around with the bootloader and/or kernel. I generally know what I'm doing, but I still mess it up from time to time. |
| 07:22.04 | Presently42 | Dwonis: O yeah, I forgot I have knoppix. That's good enough, yes? |
| 07:22.18 | p0t | roxy_, yea |
| 07:22.19 | Dwonis | Presently42: If you can boot it, sure. That's what I usually use. |
| 07:22.28 | Presently42 | Dwonis: Good. |
| 07:22.29 | Dwonis | Presently42: In knoppix, you run "sudo -s" to get a root shell |
| 07:22.39 | netdaemon | DSL =) |
| 07:22.42 | roxy_ | p0t: /etc/init.d/alsa stop ? |
| 07:23.01 | roxy_ | p0t: not very elegant but should work |
| 07:23.28 | roxy_ | Dwonis: su is enough |
| 07:23.42 | Dwonis | roxy_: are you *sure*? |
| 07:23.48 | Dwonis | roxy_: it wasn't in several versions of Knoppix |
| 07:24.06 | Presently42 | Dwonis: Ok. Now, if I chroot in to the /boot partition, I run grub-install [option] install_device. I don't think I need an option (right?) and the install device is that partition (/dev/hda1)? |
| 07:24.36 | Dwonis | roxy_: the root account has a disabled password on the discs that I've used. |
| 07:24.48 | roxy_ | Dwonis: it is working on my knoppix but don't know the version |
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| 07:25.31 | Dwonis | Presently42: You don't chroot into the /boot partition |
| 07:25.51 | Presently42 | Dwonis: I'm was about to say that didn't make sense. |
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| 07:26.26 | Dwonis | Presently42: Let's say your root partition is /dev/hdx1, and your /boot partition is /dev/hdx2. Then I would do mkdir /foo ; mount /dev/hdx1 /foo ; mount /dev/hdx2 /foo/boot ; chroot /foo |
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| 07:26.56 | Dwonis | Presently42: Then something like "grub-install /dev/hdx" or "grub-install /dev/hdx2" or whatever |
| 07:27.26 | Dwonis | Presently42: That may or may not work, depending on whether /dev is set up in a usable way |
| 07:27.49 | Dwonis | Presently42: the --recheck option for grub-install might be necessary |
| 07:28.51 | dorel__ | is it needed to recompile the kernel to install bootsplash? |
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| 07:30.16 | Dwonis | dorel__: splashy doesn't need a special kernel, although it's helpful to put the framebuffer kernel module for your video card into /etc/modules |
| 07:30.26 | pmv_ | Dwonis: Pardon me again. What package was that swsusp you mentioned? |
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| 07:30.50 | Dwonis | pmv_: huh? |
| 07:30.58 | Presently42 | Dwonis: That may or may not work? Let me ask you this. If I run grub-install --recheck right now from this root partition, will it screw any thing up? |
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| 07:31.21 | pmv_ | You mentioned swsusp, as opposed to calling BIOS ACPI |
| 07:31.21 | Dwonis | Presently42: possibly :) |
| 07:31.38 | Dwonis | pmv_: Oh, it's a kernel thing. I have no idea if it's packaged |
| 07:31.56 | pmv_ | Dwonis: And this is not the same as suspend2? |
| 07:32.06 | Dwonis | pmv_: right. It's the old version of suspend2 |
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| 07:32.22 | pmv_ | and it's not the same as ACPI_SUSPEND either? |
| 07:32.29 | mcgrof | anyone have compiz working? I want to know what Button1 is in the <CTRL><ALT>Button1 is |
| 07:32.34 | Dwonis | pmv_: Personally, if I had a laptop again, I'd probably go through the hassle of compiling a kernel with suspend2 support |
| 07:32.49 | pmv_ | You think suspend2 is worth the effort? |
| 07:32.53 | Presently42 | Dwonis: Ok.... Does grub have an irc channel? Not that I don't trust you, but I'd like to have a second opinion before I do any thing at all. |
| 07:33.12 | mcgrof | worth the effort? Just compiling your kernel is worth the effort |
| 07:33.21 | Dwonis | pmv_: Well I haven't used it, but apparently it's a lot cleaner and more flexible (for example, supports encrypted resume data, IIRC) |
| 07:33.42 | Dwonis | Presently42: I have no idea. You could try #grub |
| 07:33.42 | pmv_ | I know this setup works. I was on Ubuntu just a while back on this same drive layout |
| 07:33.58 | derek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.00 | pmv_ | mcgrof: After 20 or 30 times, it kinda gets to you |
| 07:34.02 | Presently42 | Dwonis: Ok. I'll give it a go. Thanks much. |
| 07:34.23 | pmv_ | Dwonis: Thanks for the ideas then. I'll dig into it. |
| 07:34.31 | Dwonis | derek_: Not really yet. There is some work being done at http://live.debian.net/ . I used it for a university project a while ago. |
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| 07:34.46 | mcgrof | pmv_: well sure, so you just re-compile it once with tons of well supported selections and enabled features which would give you the best out of your hardware |
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| 07:34.58 | mcgrof | so in that sense you could juse enable suspend too |
| 07:35.01 | qwertz | Hi, I'd like to invert the search of "find . -iname "backup-*" - so that I get all files not starting with backup - any suggestions how to do that? |
| 07:35.23 | pmv_ | mcgrof: I'm trying to figure out why this current setup won't work |
| 07:35.44 | pmv_ | because CONFIG_ACPI _is_ configured on my current kernel already |
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| 07:36.21 | dorel__ | Dwonis: im not familiar with splashy. splash != bootsplash right? |
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| 07:39.04 | derek_ | Dwonis: ok. thx. |
| 07:40.18 | Dwonis | dorel__: probably. bootsplash probably displays the image somewhat earlier than splashy does, but if you don't care, then splashy is probably easier to set up. |
| 07:40.31 | Dwonis | dorel__: I'm not all that familiar with bootsplash |
| 07:40.35 | Tallu | !nvidia installer |
| 07:40.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 07:41.12 | dorel__ | ok thanks |
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| 07:44.34 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 07:44.40 | dazjorz | I'm going to get my laptop in about 15 minutes |
| 07:44.46 | dazjorz | and I was wondering |
| 07:44.52 | dazjorz | it has an external DVD reader... |
| 07:45.00 | dazjorz | I burned Debian onto two DVD's... |
| 07:45.12 | dazjorz | but I'm not sure if the laptop can start up from an external USB device |
| 07:45.35 | dazjorz | in case it can't, would it be a solution to make a startup floppy disk, that will boot the installer from the dvd drive? |
| 07:45.54 | dazjorz | and if so, how ? |
| 07:46.09 | pmv_ | I use an external CD drive, not USB though |
| 07:46.17 | pmv_ | My notebook can boot from it |
| 07:46.22 | dazjorz | well I'm not sure if it's USB, but I do think so |
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| 07:46.32 | pmv_ | You're not sure? |
| 07:46.35 | dazjorz | it's not a very new laptop |
| 07:46.40 | pmv_ | Look at the socket .. |
| 07:46.45 | dazjorz | I don't have it yet :p |
| 07:46.50 | pmv_ | Ohh |
| 07:46.52 | dazjorz | that's why I don't know |
| 07:46.55 | dazjorz | [09:44] <dazjorz> I'm going to get my laptop in about 15 minutes |
| 07:46.56 | pmv_ | What model is it? :) |
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| 07:47.03 | dazjorz | err |
| 07:47.15 | dazjorz | it's second-hand, I can't remember what model exactly |
| 07:47.17 | dazjorz | thought it was a dell |
| 07:47.18 | dazjorz | not sure |
| 07:47.51 | pmv_ | I look at a lot of used laptops myself :) |
| 07:48.10 | Presently42 | Here should be an easy thing to answer. When I use man, the only way to scroll down is by the spacebar: How can I return scrolling to the up and down arrows? |
| 07:48.16 | dazjorz | well this is going to be my first one :) |
| 07:48.32 | pmv_ | Presently42: Use a real pager |
| 07:48.33 | pmv_ | Get less |
| 07:48.47 | pmv_ | aptitude install less |
| 07:48.54 | pmv_ | less is more :) |
| 07:48.55 | dazjorz | oh eh |
| 07:49.09 | dazjorz | no, more sucks |
| 07:49.11 | dazjorz | less is okay |
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| 07:49.21 | pmv_ | less is more than more |
| 07:49.29 | dazjorz | =D |
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| 07:49.43 | Presently42 | That's very existentialistic. |
| 07:49.48 | dazjorz | pmv_: seeing as you have had multiple laptops... |
| 07:50.21 | dazjorz | pmv_: do you know how to enable "power save" (as windows calls it, i've never seen linux on a laptop before) ? |
| 07:50.22 | dazjorz | err |
| 07:50.25 | pmv_ | I've had around 4 |
| 07:50.25 | dazjorz | maybe it's called different |
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| 07:50.41 | pmv_ | and hook friends up with second-hand ones |
| 07:50.44 | dazjorz | so that the OS uses less power so the accu works longer |
| 07:50.45 | pmv_ | Power save? |
| 07:50.59 | pmv_ | accu? |
| 07:51.02 | dazjorz | I'm not sure, English isn't my native language |
| 07:51.08 | dazjorz | Battery |
| 07:51.10 | pmv_ | Do you mean CPU throttling? |
| 07:51.14 | simonrvn | !less |
| 07:51.15 | dpkg | hmm... less is a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to more, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. The command-syntax is: less [options] <fi |
| 07:51.16 | dazjorz | I don't think so |
| 07:51.24 | pmv_ | It's in ACPI |
| 07:51.35 | simonrvn | damn.. |
| 07:51.42 | simonrvn | !factinfo less |
| 07:51.42 | dpkg | less -- last modified at Wed Mar 29 08:52:19 2006 by unstable!n=user_nam@unaffiliated/kerplunk; it has been requested once, last by simonrvn, 28s ago. |
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| 07:51.59 | pmv_ | Well, at least, I've used something similar to it. I'd throttle my CPU down to conserve power |
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| 07:52.03 | simonrvn | @less |
| 07:52.03 | dazjorz | pmv_: Windows has an option so that it uses less power |
| 07:52.05 | ravenbird | from memory, less is more than more, more or less, or less than more |
| 07:52.06 | Jhair | is there any relationship between the /proc/sys/fs/file-nr values (filed descriptors) and the ulimit -n value? |
| 07:52.12 | dazjorz | lol |
| 07:52.15 | dazjorz | ravenbird++ |
| 07:52.19 | simonrvn | ha, the old one :) |
| 07:52.23 | pmv_ | dazjorz: Yeah, that's what I meant. It's probably an ACPI thing. |
| 07:52.32 | pmv_ | !factinfo uswsusp |
| 07:52.32 | dpkg | pmv_: there's no such factoid as uswsusp |
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| 07:52.39 | pmv_ | huh .. |
| 07:52.43 | pmv_ | !uswsusp |
| 07:52.45 | Jhair | I've a java program which opens a lot of file descriptors (I am testing a bug) but the ulimit -n value is ignored |
| 07:52.51 | simonrvn | !swsusp |
| 07:52.51 | dpkg | from memory, swsusp is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ with this you can suspend/hibernate your linux system to disk without any BIOS support. late 2.4 kernel versions actually work! it has been integrated into 2.5 |
| 07:53.00 | Jhair | cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr |
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| 07:53.06 | Jhair | 3195 0 101174 |
| 07:53.13 | Jhair | but ulimit -n says 1024 |
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| 07:53.23 | dazjorz | pmv_: Ah, okay.. I'll be back in two or three hours |
| 07:53.31 | pmv_ | :-p Good luck |
| 07:53.36 | dazjorz | pmv_: i'll have something to experiment with ;) |
| 07:53.46 | Presently42 | pmv_ Alright, I've got less. How can I use it to view a man file? |
| 07:53.50 | dazjorz | err, does swsusp work with 2.6 too? |
| 07:54.08 | dazjorz | or am I such a noob that I can't remember the newest kernel version ? |
| 07:54.14 | Fly_80 | hello all |
| 07:54.18 | dazjorz | nah, pretty sure 2.6 is newest |
| 07:54.29 | pmv_ | dazjorz: yeah, it does. Or at least, in theory. I'm trying to get it to work at the moment. |
| 07:54.37 | dazjorz | great :) |
| 07:54.43 | pmv_ | Presently42: When you install it, the system usually sets it as the default pager. |
| 07:54.54 | pmv_ | Presently42: Just go man something |
| 07:55.03 | pmv_ | 2.6.17 |
| 07:55.05 | cast | lynx -dump http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner :> |
| 07:55.22 | dazjorz | pmv_: How do I see what pager my man uses? |
| 07:55.27 | simonrvn | or ask the bot |
| 07:55.35 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 07:55.36 | Presently42 | pmv_ So it is! Thanks much. That's much better. |
| 07:55.37 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.6, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc2-git1, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-rc2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc1-mm2 |
| 07:56.04 | dazjorz | hm |
| 07:56.09 | dazjorz | looks like I'm using less too |
| 07:56.09 | simonrvn | which basically does the same thing |
| 07:56.19 | dazjorz | when using man --pager less man, it looks exactly the same as the man i'm used to |
| 07:56.22 | simonrvn | Presently42: you just run it |
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| 07:57.02 | philc | how do I select which version of automake should be run? |
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| 07:57.04 | Presently42 | simonrvn: Yep, I ran a man. Up and down keys are functioning. 'Tis lovely. |
| 07:57.14 | dazjorz | err |
| 07:57.16 | dazjorz | please tell me fast |
| 07:57.20 | pmv_ | Presently42: On my system, /usr/bin/pager is symlinked to /etc/alternatives/pager, which in turn points to /usr/bin/less |
| 07:57.31 | dazjorz | how to make the startup floppy for if the laptop doesn't detect the dvd drive? |
| 07:57.51 | Presently42 | pmv_ It works. Thank you. |
| 07:58.10 | pmv_ | dazjorz: I've done it on tomsrtbt before :p |
| 07:58.21 | dazjorz | !tomsrtbt |
| 07:58.21 | dpkg | [tomsrtbt] a single floppy linux distribution made to fulfill a last-hope need or at http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 07:58.27 | dazjorz | ah |
| 07:58.27 | dazjorz | lol |
| 07:58.28 | simonrvn | % update-alternatives --list pager will give you one or more ;) |
| 07:58.34 | dazjorz | i'll get that |
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| 07:59.22 | pmv_ | simonrvn: lol, thanks for that. You just updated my index of useful utilities. |
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| 08:00.36 | dazjorz | well cya |
| 08:00.41 | pmv_ | dazjorz: really? :) I just used it as a starting point. There's probably tons of ways to get Deb on a floppy. |
| 08:00.43 | dazjorz | in two-three hours |
| 08:00.48 | pmv_ | *tons of better ways |
| 08:00.59 | pmv_ | Good luck :) |
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| 08:04.43 | Pons | checkinstall is not available on etch? |
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| 08:06.03 | Guerin | !info checkinstall etch |
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| 08:06.31 | L|NUX | hello every one |
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| 08:06.45 | Niklas- | Hey. How can i clean debians dns cache? |
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| 08:07.18 | Guerin | Pons: generally if something falls out of etch you need to build the sid source |
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| 08:07.33 | Pons | :/ |
| 08:07.35 | Pons | k |
| 08:07.36 | Pons | thx |
| 08:08.05 | slymer^ | im having some problem restoring image via systemimager..can anyone help? |
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| 08:10.16 | simonrvn | Guerin: hey :) |
| 08:10.38 | veterina1r | bah |
| 08:10.44 | Guerin | simonrvn: must be the devil between us |
| 08:10.48 | veterina1r | yesterday it was so tropical here, ppl dropped like flies |
| 08:10.49 | Guerin | etc. |
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| 08:11.12 | veterina1r | :) |
| 08:11.15 | Guerin | centigrade |
| 08:11.25 | veterina1r | I could not _think_ thats how humid and hot it was |
| 08:11.31 | Pons | Guerin, is that warm? |
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| 08:11.41 | Guerin | Pons: it is compared to the last few weeks |
| 08:11.43 | pmv_ | That's warm? |
| 08:11.47 | pmv_ | Are you .ca? :p |
| 08:11.51 | simonrvn | no |
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| 08:11.58 | Guerin | no, .ca is in summer now |
| 08:12.01 | Guerin | you eejits |
| 08:12.02 | Pons | Guerin, where do you live? |
| 08:12.06 | pmv_ | lol |
| 08:12.08 | Guerin | there's a whole nother half of the world down here |
| 08:12.09 | simonrvn | we're in summer here... |
| 08:12.13 | veterina1r | a neighbour had to be taken to hospital :P |
| 08:12.14 | pmv_ | Anything is cooler than where I am |
| 08:12.22 | Guerin | veterina1r: bah. |
| 08:12.25 | simonrvn | S. hemisphere is in winter |
| 08:12.30 | veterina1r | ^^ |
| 08:12.38 | Guerin | you suckers are too dependent on aircon |
| 08:12.43 | simonrvn | i'm not |
| 08:12.45 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:12.49 | Guerin | just wear loose clothes, stay in the shade and keep hydrated |
| 08:12.54 | pmv_ | I'm not, and I live near the equator |
| 08:12.57 | Guerin | simonrvn: hot there? |
| 08:13.03 | veterina1r | shade |
| 08:13.03 | simonrvn | was nice today |
| 08:13.08 | Guerin | Pons: people who live near the equator NEVER are |
| 08:13.10 | simonrvn | heat wave broke |
| 08:13.30 | Pons | never are what? |
| 08:13.31 | Guerin | only people who get two hot months a year need it |
| 08:13.39 | pmv_ | Heh, I think he meant me |
| 08:13.41 | Guerin | Pons: never are dependent on aircon |
| 08:13.48 | Guerin | Pons: they know how to handle heat |
| 08:14.10 | Pons | well .. i live in chile |
| 08:14.13 | Guerin | i had to learn how to deal with it in cambodia, where there was no aircon |
| 08:14.15 | Pons | is kinda cold in her |
| 08:14.16 | Pons | e |
| 08:14.27 | pmv_ | I do tend to stay in cold dark rooms though, as a result of my work env |
| 08:14.35 | simonrvn | hit mid to high 30s, with low 40s with the humidity |
| 08:14.38 | Guerin | Pons: yeah, nice. All I know about chile is the colchagua valley |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: bah, that's weak |
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| 08:14.57 | Pons | you know a pretty good spot ;) |
| 08:15.02 | simonrvn | this is climate change |
| 08:15.08 | Guerin | Pons: never been there, just the wine |
| 08:15.15 | Pons | is 6ºC right now |
| 08:15.20 | simonrvn | never used to do that here. or very rarely ... |
| 08:15.27 | L|NUX | i am using vmware on debian with ethernet module e100 and i get too much packet loss |
| 08:15.29 | veterina1r | Pons: I come to your place :p |
| 08:15.35 | L|NUX | can any one help me to fix this ? |
| 08:15.35 | Pons | really veterina1r ? |
| 08:15.38 | Guerin | L|NUX: vmware is shit |
| 08:15.41 | pmv_ | brb, trying hibernate again.. *sigh* |
| 08:15.42 | simonrvn | i'm in a northern country ffs |
| 08:15.44 | veterina1r | Pons: yes. pay air ticket |
| 08:15.44 | pmv_ | wish me luck |
| 08:15.48 | veterina1r | Pons: pls |
| 08:15.58 | L|NUX | Guerin : but client need it :( |
| 08:16.08 | Pons | and how was it? had a good time or not? |
| 08:16.10 | Guerin | L|NUX: NMFP |
| 08:16.17 | Guerin | L|NUX: ask #vmware or something |
| 08:16.22 | L|NUX | ok |
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| 08:17.12 | Tallu | uh stupid question but how do i close x, like completely |
| 08:17.26 | Pons | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 08:17.27 | simonrvn | so please don't tell me "that's weak" because it isn't fucking normal (yes i'm touchy about it) |
| 08:17.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh. |
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| 08:17.50 | Tallu | Pons: thanks |
| 08:17.55 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:17.57 | ryty | ok, does anyone know about debian-alpha in here? |
| 08:18.01 | Pons | Tallu, np ;) |
| 08:18.09 | Guerin | simonrvn: well, you'll be amused to know that NZers think the world is ending because we've had lows down around -10 |
| 08:18.19 | Tallu | Pons: uhm it just logged me out |
| 08:18.21 | vin` | Guerin: how's the shoulder? |
| 08:18.27 | Pons | Tallu, gdm? |
| 08:18.28 | Guerin | simonrvn: you guys are having a heatwave, we're having a coldwave |
| 08:18.32 | simonrvn | holy... |
| 08:18.42 | simonrvn | it's usually pretty warm in the valleys, innit? |
| 08:18.43 | Tallu | Pons: umm well I installed gnome is all I know. :P |
| 08:18.53 | Pons | gnome login screen? |
| 08:18.54 | Guerin | vin`: more or less back to normal, though still another two months or so until i can swim or pick up heavy stuff |
| 08:18.59 | Tallu | yeah |
| 08:19.08 | Pons | go to a TTY, (Ctrl+Alt+F1) |
| 08:19.11 | Pons | login as root |
| 08:19.14 | ryty | Alpha, anyone? |
| 08:19.19 | vin` | Guerin: ok, all the best. |
| 08:19.20 | Guerin | ryty: Beta |
| 08:19.20 | Pons | then do /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:19.26 | simonrvn | try #debian-alpha maybe ... |
| 08:19.33 | ryty | simonrvn: dead room |
| 08:19.39 | ryty | channel, rather |
| 08:19.41 | Guerin | ryty: dead arch |
| 08:19.59 | Pons | veterina1r, how was your trip here? had a good time or not? |
| 08:20.09 | Tallu | Pons: thanks |
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| 08:20.38 | simonrvn | there's a mailing list i think, if there is, try there. check the archives first |
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| 08:21.26 | kelaouchi | hello #netbsd/window close |
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| 08:21.35 | Tallu | Pons: nope.. says there is nothing called gdm there |
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| 08:21.50 | Pons | try killall X |
| 08:21.56 | Pons | or, killall Xorg |
| 08:21.59 | Tallu | ok |
| 08:21.59 | simonrvn | X |
| 08:22.11 | Tallu | be back in a bit |
| 08:22.17 | Pons | or maybe |
| 08:22.21 | Pons | /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 08:22.39 | Tallu | says no processes killed :P |
| 08:22.54 | Tallu | yeah that worked |
| 08:22.59 | Pons | xdm |
| 08:23.03 | Pons | ;) |
| 08:23.08 | Tallu | thanks :) |
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| 08:24.28 | Tallu | Woohoo! |
| 08:24.36 | Tallu | Hooray for 3d accelerated gnome! |
| 08:25.04 | Pons | why #debian is suppoused to be in OFTC but there are exacty 107 more ppl in here ? |
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| 08:25.24 | simonrvn | because this is the older channel... |
| 08:25.36 | simonrvn | it's called lurkers |
| 08:26.41 | Tallu | This is just great, now I can have decent resolutions :) |
| 08:26.49 | Pons | Tallu, what did you install? |
| 08:26.57 | Tallu | Pons: nvidia drivers |
| 08:27.10 | Pons | what card? |
| 08:27.29 | Razva | the visa one |
| 08:27.42 | Razva | or use the Mastercard Gold drivers |
| 08:27.44 | Tallu | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev a1) |
| 08:28.01 | Pons | Razva, ... |
| 08:28.16 | Pons | Tallu, did you try glxgears? |
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| 08:29.06 | Tallu | Pons: yeah, also direct rendering on glxinfo is on :) |
| 08:29.10 | ice_1963 | did the nvnidia driver get put back in contrib non-free? |
| 08:29.20 | ice_1963 | nvidia |
| 08:29.29 | Pons | Tallu, how many fps do you get? |
| 08:29.49 | simonrvn | it was always there |
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| 08:30.11 | simonrvn | ice_1963: it was always there |
| 08:30.13 | Tallu | 2195 frames in 5.0 seconds = 439.000 FPS |
| 08:30.13 | Tallu | 1661 frames in 5.0 seconds = 332.200 FPS |
| 08:30.20 | ice_1963 | in sid not etch |
| 08:30.36 | simonrvn | it was always there |
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| 08:31.57 | stew | 170 frames in 8.7 seconds = 19.564 FPS |
| 08:31.58 | Pons | how can I know what is using my audio card? |
| 08:31.59 | stew | sweet |
| 08:32.13 | stew | that's actually the fastest i've even seen on this machine |
| 08:32.16 | ice_1963 | ok how can i install the nvidia driver in ETCH? |
| 08:32.36 | simonrvn | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 08:32.43 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 08:33.44 | Tallu | hahah |
| 08:33.46 | Tallu | bit of a bug here |
| 08:33.59 | Tallu | 11:33:53 Irssi uptime: 1691d 15h 7m 0s |
| 08:34.25 | roxy_ | what is the easiest way to replicate a debian system ? |
| 08:34.56 | simonrvn | hmm must've been removed |
| 08:35.09 | simonrvn | on etch you can use sid stuff fairly safely |
| 08:35.12 | rvalles | roxy_: if it's just one more machine... |
| 08:35.17 | rvalles | roxy_: tar|nc |
| 08:35.26 | simonrvn | bah, s/he left :( |
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| 08:36.22 | roxy_ | rvalles: I was more thinking in term of package. How can i get the list of all package and the aptitude install them on another package (replicate wasn't the proper word) |
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| 08:36.34 | roxy_ | s/the/then |
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| 08:38.38 | vin` | roxy_: /msg dpkg selections |
| 08:41.32 | roxy_ | vin`: exactly what I was looking for, thanks |
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| 08:46.41 | jbrimble | What can I use to sync my Windows PocketPC with Linux? |
| 08:46.42 | pmv | w00t got hibernate working |
| 08:46.57 | pmv | There's gpilot for that |
| 08:47.12 | pmv | veterina1r: Heh, sorry, notebook user. :) |
| 08:47.18 | veterina1r | ^^ |
| 08:47.23 | pmv | Oh, whoops, I thouhgt you said ACPI related |
| 08:47.27 | pmv | lol |
| 08:47.51 | veterina1r | well puking over a notebook is probably no fun - if it is my own |
| 08:48.13 | veterina1r | http://alsa.opensrc.org/AlsaComplaint |
| 08:48.20 | veterina1r | i wrote the topmost entry |
| 08:48.22 | veterina1r | :p |
| 08:49.04 | derek_ | "The Linux Kernel cannot always detect what amount of RAM you have." http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch03s06.html.en 3.6.4.5. |
| 08:49.35 | pmv | Heh |
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| 08:50.27 | pmv | veterina1r: ohloh.net |
| 08:50.58 | veterina1r | veterina1r: ??:) |
| 08:50.59 | pmv | Pretty useful site |
| 08:51.11 | veterina1r | %) |
| 08:51.11 | badgers | ) is, like, the smile part of a face. |
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| 08:51.20 | veterina1r | pmv: freshmeat.net |
| 08:51.25 | veterina1r | pmv: too ,) |
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| 08:51.55 | veterina1r | :) thy |
| 08:51.56 | d4t2ilL4_ | hi] |
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| 08:52.13 | d4t2ilL4_ | cna I install mysql-server 4 on etch ? |
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| 08:53.00 | dn4 | alls what I am saying is you have to get on top of the matter! |
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| 08:53.43 | pmv | dn4: ? |
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| 08:55.43 | veterina1r | I must say - I wrote there "none of the manpages appear to relate to my problem" is quite a clumsy way of putting this, I find now. |
| 08:55.43 | pmv | Aw gads.. does anyone know of a light alternative to gksu*? |
| 08:56.00 | veterina1r | pmv: su |
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| 08:56.35 | pmv | veterina1r: Thanks |
| 08:56.39 | pmv | That really helped |
| 08:57.04 | pmv | No, seriously, anyone know of any small UI frontend to su/sudo? |
| 08:57.09 | EdLin | pmv: another is sux |
| 08:57.17 | EdLin | (not kidding) |
| 08:57.23 | pmv | lol, nice name |
| 08:57.49 | EdLin | pmv: write your own in expect-tk? :-) |
| 08:58.29 | pmv | I would, but I'm checking out what's there already first :) |
| 08:59.21 | pmv | Oh.. |
| 08:59.31 | pmv | sux ain't exactly what I expected :p |
| 09:00.13 | EdLin | pmv: it's like su except works with more X programs. |
| 09:01.30 | pmv | EdLin: Yeah. I was looking for a su/sudo prompt on X. |
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| 09:03.25 | liable | yay, the xfce dev has broken it again.. |
| 09:03.37 | pmv | yay |
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| 09:04.19 | liable | well, only the depends.. :) |
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| 09:06.44 | veterina1r | pmv: please do not start X clients a s root :D |
| 09:06.55 | veterina1r | pmv: it's too dangerous .) |
| 09:07.08 | pmv | .. |
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| 09:07.10 | pmv | Huh? |
| 09:07.15 | pmv | I don't. |
| 09:07.30 | veterina1r | ok :) |
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| 09:10.27 | rkrush | Hey! On FreeBSD, even if I was running a release, I could compile the ports and get the latest version. On Debian, it seems like at least some packages aren't even available on anything but sid? |
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| 09:11.17 | veterina1r | rkrush: then consider "sid" a "release" ^^ |
| 09:11.20 | streuner | if they aren't in sarge, just try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:11.33 | pmv | heh heh |
| 09:12.05 | p0t | ... |
| 09:12.06 | streuner | !tell rkrush about backports |
| 09:12.15 | p0t | !tell p0t about porn |
| 09:12.17 | veterina1r | rkrush: the organisation of Debian differs from *BSD :) |
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| 09:14.25 | EdLin | rkrush: backports.org has a lot of stuff |
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| 09:17.31 | Teddy__ | I accidentally did "chmod 700 /home -R" |
| 09:17.34 | Teddy__ | How can I put it back? |
| 09:17.44 | Teddy__ | users can't read their own home directories |
| 09:18.13 | cusco | lol |
| 09:18.27 | Guerin | Teddy__: if they can't read their own homedirs, then that's not all you did |
| 09:18.53 | Guerin | so how about you start by telling the whole story |
| 09:19.19 | Teddy__ | Guerin: That is all I did. |
| 09:19.22 | Guerin | instead of just a convenient bit of it which makes you think you look less stupid |
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| 09:19.41 | Teddy__ | Guerin: I wanted to me sure user bob(/home/bob) couldn't read user sarah's(/home/sarah) data. |
| 09:19.58 | Teddy__ | So I did chmod 700 /home -R; And I guess since root owns /home; it doesn't allow sarah or bob to read their directories inside /home |
| 09:20.10 | Guerin | oh |
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| 09:20.20 | Teddy__ | I should have done chmod 700 on each directory in /home |
| 09:20.31 | Teddy__ | chmod 700 /home/* -R I guess? |
| 09:20.34 | Guerin | chmod 755 should do the trick then |
| 09:20.53 | Guerin | no, they need rx on /home as well |
| 09:20.57 | cusco | Teddy__: chmod -R 751 /home; chmod -R 755 /home/*/public_html |
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| 09:21.04 | EdLin | the execute bit for directories is also known as the "search bit". Making mistakes with that are particularly nasty. |
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| 09:21.25 | Werdna | EdLin, go on? |
| 09:21.35 | Teddy__ | awesome cusco thanks; heh |
| 09:21.36 | Teddy__ | I would have forgot about public_html |
| 09:21.54 | cyzie | i have eclipse installed via apt-get. if im not mistaken, eclipse install via apt-get all link to gcj. however, i have the sun jdk 1.5 installed on my laptop. how can my eclipse point to jdk1.5? |
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| 09:22.35 | Teddy__ | thanks a lot cusco; I appreciate the help. |
| 09:22.37 | EdLin | Werdna: the execute ("search") bit on a directory determines being able to tell what's in a directory. |
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| 09:22.43 | Teddy__ | !tell cyzie about alternative |
| 09:22.53 | Teddy__ | !tell cyzie about alternatives |
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| 09:23.25 | cyzie | Teddy__, i have point all files in /etc/alternatives/*java* to my jdk1.5 still it wont work. |
| 09:24.24 | Teddy__ | cyzie: I bet people in #eclipse would know better then I would. |
| 09:24.46 | Teddy__ | cyzie: There are 93 people there now; if you /join #eclipse |
| 09:25.02 | cyzie | Teddy__, have treid in #eclipse and all the folks there are sleep ;) |
| 09:25.24 | cyzie | Teddy__, im one of them in #eclipse |
| 09:25.33 | EdLin | cyzie: try ##java, it's a pretty busy channel |
| 09:25.58 | Tallu | what would you guys suggest as having set to umode in home directories? |
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| 09:27.02 | cusco | np Teddy__ |
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| 09:36.35 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:36.36 | dpkg | qotd112 is, like, <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
| 09:39.41 | CyberMad | !version |
| 09:39.41 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 09:52.10 | diilbertAtWork | I am tring to get my Windows paritions mounted... But users do not have access, they are being mounted with 500 permissions, but I cannot seem to get the permissions to change.... I just need read access for all users |
| 09:52.14 | diilbertAtWork | Any ideas ? |
| 09:52.41 | veterina1r | diilbertAtWork: man mount |
| 09:52.51 | veterina1r | diilbertAtWork: options for nts |
| 09:52.56 | pmv_ | What fs type? |
| 09:53.01 | veterina1r | diilbertAtWork: ntfs really |
| 09:53.04 | diilbertAtWork | Here is the line I am using in the fstab /dev/hda7 /mnt/win_f auto defaults,user,noatime,nosuid 0 0 |
| 09:53.20 | Eulex | !ntfs |
| 09:53.20 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 09:53.34 | veterina1r | ha :) |
| 09:53.47 | veterina1r | is captive out for debian? |
| 09:54.09 | Eulex | if it works on other distros, it should work on debian... |
| 09:54.13 | veterina1r | there's a really open source solution now, too, I read |
| 09:54.20 | diilbertAtWork | I just needed the umask=022 |
| 09:54.25 | diilbertAtWork | thanks :-) |
| 09:54.27 | veterina1r | captive loads the ntosblubber.dll |
| 09:54.37 | comsa | captive |
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| 09:55.01 | speedy | whats the name of the c language functions manual pages package? |
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| 09:55.23 | pmv_ | manpages-dev |
| 09:55.28 | speedy | thank you |
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| 09:57.07 | _fjh_ | Hi! I noticed, that /usr/X11R6/bin is a symlink to /usr/bin on my system. Is this the way it should be? |
| 09:57.55 | liable | _fjh_: read /usr/share/doc/x11-common/changelog.gz |
| 09:58.20 | _fjh_ | liable: Will do. Thanks! |
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| 10:02.44 | Gast | i need any help with iptables .. |
| 10:02.49 | Gast | anyone there? |
| 10:03.09 | robin_sz | !ask |
| 10:03.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:03.13 | Eulex | no, you need _some_ help |
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| 10:03.21 | Inty^ | haha |
| 10:03.39 | diilbertAtWork | Where is the best place to start for docs configuring my sound card |
| 10:04.15 | streuner | alsa.org? |
| 10:04.17 | cuco | hi, i have a remastered debian installer (based on sarge) which fails to install if no network connection is available at install time, the "Configure apt" stage gets messed up. |
| 10:04.23 | Gast | i habe this: iptabels -D INPUT -i $IFACE -j IN-$IFACE from a tutorial .. when i run this script i got: Bad Argument "IN-" |
| 10:04.36 | cuco | since I am a complete n00b in this are, some help would be appriciated. |
| 10:04.41 | Inty^ | :/ |
| 10:04.46 | streuner | diilbertAtWork: usually 'alsaconf' is just enough :-) |
| 10:04.55 | jair | guys in debian the user apache is the same as www-data? |
| 10:05.48 | jair | diilbertAtWork: here is the best place :) nothing else to do.. http://www.xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
| 10:06.06 | diilbertAtWork | It is telling me there are no supported cards found... yet everything worked under mandrake 10.1 |
| 10:06.22 | Inty^ | each distro differs |
| 10:06.43 | Inty^ | maybe the support isn't in debian yet |
| 10:06.45 | robin_sz | Gast, and what does IN-$iFACE avalutate to at runtime? do you have a chain of that name? |
| 10:06.48 | Inty^ | depends on the soundcard |
| 10:06.58 | liable | diilbertAtWork: what kernel do you have? |
| 10:07.08 | Gast | i did this howto: http://www.rrzn.uni-hannover.de/fw_debian.html |
| 10:07.15 | jair | diilbertAtWork: the alsaconf after you install all the packages on that site it will ask you if you want to scan legacy sound cards say yes. it is an old or new computer or card? |
| 10:07.37 | robin_sz | Gast, thats nice for you .. now what does $IN-IFACE evaluate to at runtime? |
| 10:08.02 | robin_sz | or whatever it was |
| 10:08.16 | Gast | robin_sz: not $IN-IFACE ... IN-$IFACE |
| 10:08.40 | robin_sz | yes, whatever ... but what does it evaluate to at runtime? |
| 10:08.44 | diilbertAtWork | At least lspci | grep audio shows my install audio card |
| 10:09.09 | diilbertAtWork | I am going to try the instructions jair posted |
| 10:09.12 | liable | diilbertAtWork: what kernel do you have? |
| 10:09.27 | robin_sz | Gast, I can't see in that script where $IFACE gets set ... |
| 10:09.28 | Gast | robin_sz: what do you mean? |
| 10:09.38 | diilbertAtWork | 2.4.27--2-386 |
| 10:09.47 | liable | diilbertAtWork: install a 2.6 kernel |
| 10:09.51 | Gast | robin_sz: im not very well with iptables ... |
| 10:10.06 | Eulex | diilbertAtWork, or get the alsa module for your kernel |
| 10:10.14 | robin_sz | Gast, unless $IFACE is set to something, its not goingto work, this isnt really an iptables issue, just a basic bash scritping issue |
| 10:10.16 | liable | diilbertAtWork: theres no alsa modules in 2.4, unless you install the alsa-modules package, best to just get a 2.6 |
| 10:10.26 | jair | diilbertAtWork: do also this --> apt-get update && apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 :) |
| 10:10.37 | pmv_ | 2.6.8? |
| 10:10.50 | jair | diilbertAtWork: do also this --> apt-get update && apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-8-3-686 :) |
| 10:10.51 | pmv_ | Why not just kernel-image-2.6, so you get the latest |
| 10:10.53 | jair | hahaha |
| 10:11.05 | kristalino | "Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused" on debian /bind9 stop. Any ideas ? |
| 10:11.11 | Eulex | why not let himself decide whether he wants to install a new kernel or just install the alsa modules for his kernel? |
| 10:11.42 | robin_sz | Gast, is $IFACE set as part of the ifup sequence? |
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| 10:12.19 | Gast | so it is ... |
| 10:12.21 | jair | I think the best, and convenient is install latest kernel 2.6-8-3-686 and then no reason to install separate alsa and have and outdated package |
| 10:12.37 | jair | diilbertAtWork: please let me know if it works for you |
| 10:13.00 | Gast | robin_sz: now, it works ... rebooting helped ... |
| 10:13.04 | Gast | thanks |
| 10:13.08 | jair | hey guys I am trying to confirm if in debian the apache user default is = www or www-data? |
| 10:13.49 | dj_ryan | www-data |
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| 10:14.15 | robin_sz | I dont read German, so the tutorial is not easy to follow for me .. but if it is saying "bad argument IN-" then that means that $IFACE=''. it should be soenting like eth0, then IN-$FACE would become IN-eth1 and the script would work ... |
| 10:14.16 | jair | robin_sz: where could I get good info about iptables :) tutorials for debian etc..? |
| 10:14.24 | insidius | Excuse my stupidity but is woody stable? |
| 10:14.40 | Guerin | insidius: it's oldstable |
| 10:14.42 | robin_sz | Gast, man iptables? |
| 10:14.52 | jair | robin_sz: thanks |
| 10:14.58 | EdLin | insidius: Sarge is stable, Woody was oldstable and now is unsupported |
| 10:15.08 | insidius | Thats what I thought. The ftp im using does not have the netinstall image for sarge |
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| 10:15.17 | jair | dj_ryan: so other systems may use it as www only? |
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| 10:15.31 | EdLin | !d-i insidius |
| 10:15.31 | dpkg | insidius, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:16.08 | insidius | Hmm Its for my freind. He is capped by his ISP and they have the debian isos in there linux ftp but they appear to be out of date |
| 10:16.09 | nostradam | Hi Guys, using Debian Sarge. I received a message from Debian with the security warning for the Kernel 2.6.8. [SECURITY] [DSA 1103-1] New Linux kernel 2.6.8 packages fix several vulnerabilities |
| 10:16.22 | pmv_ | 2.6-8-3 is not the latest |
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| 10:16.38 | nostradam | I'm using apt-get....how can I download this latest package with apt-get...? |
| 10:16.54 | pmv_ | If you want the latest 2.6, install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:16.55 | nostradam | It doesn't show up when doing a apt-get update |
| 10:16.57 | DerJamster | nostradam: apt-get update, and apt-get install the newest one.. |
| 10:17.07 | DerJamster | nostradam: you can search for packages with apt-cache search |
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| 10:17.16 | pmv_ | I'm talking to jair, btw |
| 10:17.40 | EdLin | nostradam: to stay secure with stable regularly run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade regularly. |
| 10:17.43 | jair | pmv_: ohh thanks I did not know that ;), I was always typing the whole thing ;) |
| 10:18.17 | jair | pmv_: so what is the lates kernel for 686? |
| 10:18.19 | pmv_ | Heh, yeah. :) You still have the default 2.6 that comes with the Deb installer |
| 10:18.23 | EdLin | nostradam: oops, an extra regularly. :-) |
| 10:18.36 | pmv_ | jair: If you install kernel-image-2.6, it automatically installs it for you |
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| 10:18.43 | pmv_ | I think it's in 2.6.17~ now |
| 10:18.52 | jair | pmv_: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 10:18.58 | diilbertAtWork | That was easiest kernel upgrade I have ever done :D |
| 10:19.02 | EdLin | $ uname -r |
| 10:19.05 | EdLin | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 10:19.21 | nostradam | I'm getting used to apt-get upgrade...that I forgot all about that.. |
| 10:19.22 | diilbertAtWork | The last one took 2 tries and a lot of screwing around |
| 10:19.25 | pmv_ | Oh, you're on Sarge .. |
| 10:19.31 | nostradam | Do I need to edit my sources.list..? |
| 10:19.37 | jair | pmv_: but that is not the "stable" latest kernel i think, is the one EdLin is showing ;) |
| 10:19.48 | pmv_ | Sorry, heh. I'm on the sid repos. |
| 10:19.58 | EdLin | nostradam: to install security upgrades? No. |
| 10:20.10 | nostradam | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:20.16 | pmv_ | Still, kernel-image-2.6 installs the latest, stable or unstable |
| 10:20.16 | morphir | is ia64 short for Intel/Amd 64 bit? |
| 10:20.25 | nostradam | then the Kernel update does not show up when doing a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:20.37 | pmv_ | morphir: intel arch 64 |
| 10:20.37 | EdLin | nostradam: you run first apt-get update. Or on one line "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 10:20.40 | pmv_ | iirc |
| 10:21.08 | morphir | so there is no debian release for my amd64 ?' |
| 10:21.11 | jair | that should do it |
| 10:21.27 | nostradam | Edlin did that but only the libsasl updates show up... |
| 10:21.29 | jair | of course it is, |
| 10:21.29 | pmv_ | amd64 is for AMD 64 |
| 10:21.31 | EdLin | !tell morphir about amd64 |
| 10:21.57 | nostradam | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:22.01 | nostradam | I did a uname -r it showed 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:22.14 | EdLin | nostradam: strange. You may try using another mirror, run apt-setup to do that easily. |
| 10:22.16 | jair | nostradam: and you have an amd64? |
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| 10:22.35 | pmv_ | I think that is the latest for stable |
| 10:22.38 | liable | nostradam: you need security sources for the -3 kernel |
| 10:22.45 | nostradam | I did a apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386_2.6.8-16sarge3_i386.deb but the package could not be found |
| 10:22.58 | nostradam | it's running in vmware.. |
| 10:23.11 | jair | nostradam: 686 |
| 10:23.14 | jair | no 386 |
| 10:23.30 | liable | nostradam: just do kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 10:23.32 | EdLin | nostradam: don't give it the deb filename to apt-get |
| 10:23.56 | jair | just type thsi please:apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
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| 10:24.38 | Zap-W | can anyone recommend on a GuI icq client ? |
| 10:24.42 | jair | ok guys anybody know what is the default name of the users "apache" on debian? www or www-data? |
| 10:24.44 | Zap-W | light weight |
| 10:24.45 | pmv_ | gaim |
| 10:24.52 | Guerin | Zap-W: xterm -e irssi |
| 10:25.06 | nostradam | jair it's doing something....standing by.... |
| 10:25.11 | pmv_ | irssi can do icq?? |
| 10:25.13 | EdLin | Zap-W: use an IRC client with bitlbee |
| 10:25.28 | EdLin | pmv_: it can with bitlbee |
| 10:25.34 | jair | I check the server I am running and it have apache on it but this www does not appear appears www-data |
| 10:25.39 | pmv_ | I see |
| 10:26.15 | diilbertAtWork | So I ran alsaconf and it found my sound card and "configured" it. Now XMMS still tells me it an't find the sound card... what is easiest way to test that it works ? |
| 10:26.28 | Zap-W | bitlblee?? |
| 10:26.34 | jair | speaker - test |
| 10:26.37 | nostradam | It worked...liable, Edlin and jair many thanks for your time..! |
| 10:26.49 | EdLin | nostradam: yw |
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| 10:26.59 | jair | you are wlecome |
| 10:27.02 | jair | welcome |
| 10:27.14 | liable | diilbertAtWork: is xmms set to us alsa output plugin? |
| 10:27.14 | diilbertAtWork | jair: is that a command ? |
| 10:27.17 | tikka-trivia | diilbertAtWork, i think youhave to select also fom it |
| 10:27.23 | tikka-trivia | fom* |
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| 10:27.26 | tikka-trivia | from |
| 10:27.35 | diilbertAtWork | liable: yes |
| 10:27.38 | jair | diilbertAtWork: yes run that is on the page I sent you |
| 10:27.43 | liable | !typosmite tikka-trivia |
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| 10:27.59 | tikka-trivia | lol |
| 10:28.26 | jair | diilbertAtWork: if xmms does not want to play reinstall it apt-get install --reinstall |
| 10:28.42 | liable | diilbertAtWork: ok, is snd-pcm-oss (module) loaded?? |
| 10:30.11 | Zap-W | EdLin: how do i get bitlbee |
| 10:31.18 | EdLin | Zap-W: apt-get it or use a public bitlbee server |
| 10:31.25 | diilbertAtWork | jair: That speaker-test should be just a series of loud beeps right ? |
| 10:31.28 | Diazepam | could someone please explan what a module aliase is? |
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| 10:31.46 | jair | diilbertAtWork: correct |
| 10:32.33 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 10:32.45 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 10:32.57 | Inty^ | !sing monday |
| 10:32.57 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 10:33.04 | d4t2ilL4_ | hmmm i got a problem, i've installed debian testing distro then i tried to add stable source but it gives me an error |
| 10:33.07 | d4t2ilL4_ | do u know why? |
| 10:33.11 | EdLin | !u |
| 10:33.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:33.40 | EdLin | d4t2ilL4_: you can't downgrade Debian smoothly |
| 10:33.50 | d4t2ilL4_ | awwwww |
| 10:34.01 | d4t2ilL4_ | EdLin, but I want mysql server so bad :/ |
| 10:34.15 | d4t2ilL4_ | s/server/server 4.x/ |
| 10:34.45 | EdLin | !downgrade |
| 10:34.45 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 10:35.25 | stoffell | anyone familiar with "metche" ? i've installed the package, but how to get the Changelog working? |
| 10:36.15 | d4t2ilL4_ | EdLin, the kernel 2.6.8 doesnt support my Raid card |
| 10:36.33 | diilbertAtWork | Since the sound card seems to work it is a xmms problem I guess... When I configure the ALSA plugin I only have the option of the Default sound device and the PCM mixer |
| 10:36.33 | d4t2ilL4_ | and stupid Adaptec dont support debian linux. |
| 10:36.50 | EdLin | d4t2ilL4_: there's a custom Sarge iso with a recent kernel on it. |
| 10:36.59 | d4t2ilL4_ | 2.6.12 doesn't cut it for me |
| 10:37.04 | EdLin | d4t2ilL4_: it's at some .jp site |
| 10:37.33 | d4t2ilL4_ | is it 2.6.12 kernel? it doesn't support the udev, so I can't support my dual core intel |
| 10:37.33 | liable | wow, setting some cflags compiles twice as quick as without.. makes a difference when compiling large things. |
| 10:37.45 | liable | where can i set them permanently? bashrc?? |
| 10:38.00 | EdLin | d4t2ilL4_: take a look at what I made dpkg say about downgrading. Maybe you can install mysql debs with dpkg. |
| 10:38.12 | d4t2ilL4_ | ahh okie |
| 10:38.20 | EdLin | d4t2ilL4_: though don't come crying to me if that breaks your setup |
| 10:38.37 | d4t2ilL4_ | EdLin, heh, okie, I'll just shoot myself |
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| 10:39.48 | diilbertAtWork | liable: To answer your question about snd-pcm-oss --> no |
| 10:40.25 | diilbertAtWork | Actually it shows up as used by 0 |
| 10:40.38 | diilbertAtWork | I just looked again it is called snd_pcm_oss |
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| 10:41.27 | Gast | where can i define, which user could be do "su" |
| 10:41.30 | liable | diilbertAtWork: as long as its loaded. try xmms with oss output |
| 10:41.50 | diilbertAtWork | Same result |
| 10:42.00 | liable | whats the exact error? |
| 10:42.37 | diilbertAtWork | I checked the oss output config and my sound card shows up as the default option |
| 10:42.53 | EdLin | d4t2ilL4_: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 10:42.56 | diilbertAtWork | I know last time I had problems I had to use the ALSA plugin |
| 10:43.03 | EdLin | d4t2ilL4_: that will give you a 2.6.15 kernel with sarge |
| 10:43.19 | tralala | Gast: if you want only certain users to use "su" change its group to some group (e.g. "suusers") and put the users in this group. |
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| 10:44.18 | Gast | tralala: i mean: su root ... |
| 10:45.12 | diilbertAtWork | If I use something like Kaboodle I don't hear anything |
| 10:45.31 | liable | diilbertAtWork: cat /vmlinuz >> /dev/dsp |
| 10:45.33 | tralala | Gast: well, su root can be run by anyone but only those who know the root's password will make any use of it |
| 10:47.01 | diilbertAtWork | liable: I get a bunch of noise |
| 10:47.28 | liable | diilbertAtWork: thats good. what desktop/wm you use? |
| 10:47.36 | diilbertAtWork | kde |
| 10:47.45 | diilbertAtWork | 3.4 I think |
| 10:47.51 | liable | diilbertAtWork: pkill arstd (as root) and try xmms again |
| 10:47.58 | diilbertAtWork | 3.3.2 |
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| 10:50.35 | diilbertAtWork | Same |
| 10:51.00 | diilbertAtWork | I checked and it was running... but I had another app open... closed it and it is not running anymore same result |
| 10:51.28 | tralala | diilbertAtWork: what's the output plugin that xmms uses? Do you use alsa? |
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| 10:53.04 | diilbertAtWork | tralala: yes |
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| 10:53.45 | diilbertAtWork | Now if I play something in kaboodle for example and open up the arts control tool it shows audio playing, but I can't hear anything |
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| 10:54.17 | tralala | diilbertAtWork: so you have alsa and alsa output plugin for xmms? |
| 10:54.32 | Guerin | ok |
| 10:54.40 | Guerin | so 9:30ish |
| 10:54.40 | diilbertAtWork | I the alsa output plugin is installed |
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| 10:54.42 | Guerin | bah |
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| 10:55.33 | liable | baa? |
| 10:55.36 | liable | :) |
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| 10:59.11 | couannette | hi, which is the debian default compiler (3.3 / 4.0) - I've built a program - how to identify the compiler used ? |
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| 11:02.04 | robin_sz | couannette, gcc -v ? or examine the makefile? |
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| 11:03.02 | couannette | robin_sz: yes, but on a built binary, can you use a tool like nm or whatever to glance at the compiler's version ? |
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| 11:05.36 | papak | hi guys, how far back do logs go? and do they get removed after a certain time? |
| 11:06.11 | Gathond | papak: what log? peoples individual IRC logs? they would be subject to that persons choice |
| 11:06.29 | jnjb | hello |
| 11:06.38 | Inty^ | 'lo |
| 11:07.06 | diilbertAtWork | And it seems to be playing in alsaplayer... but still no sound coming out of the speakers |
| 11:07.07 | jnjb | hello Inty |
| 11:07.18 | diilbertAtWork | I am going to try a windows trick :p |
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| 11:07.32 | Inty^ | hello jnjb |
| 11:07.41 | papak | Gathond, soz i shouldve been more specific... i mean the logs in /var/log |
| 11:08.21 | Gathond | papak: totally dependent on setup, without some logrotate or similair I think they go back forever |
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| 11:08.49 | Gathond | most systems however has som fixed rotation through logrotate, so only X days worth is actually stored |
| 11:08.57 | roxy_ | After 4 days of hard work I manage to get my wifi driver loaded. What is the next step ? |
| 11:09.20 | Inty^ | get yourself a beer? |
| 11:09.41 | roxy_ | Inty^: beer is probably the reason why it took me so long :-) |
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| 11:09.52 | Inty^ | haha |
| 11:09.52 | papak | Gathond, ahh ok |
| 11:10.13 | liable | diilbertAtWork: have you done alsamixer? |
| 11:10.35 | diilbertAtWork | Meaning ? |
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| 11:10.46 | liable | run it |
| 11:10.50 | jnjb | diilbertAtWork, had you update alsa-base and alsa-mixer |
| 11:10.52 | liable | check levels |
| 11:11.37 | diilbertAtWork | If I run alsamixergui I get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission Denied |
| 11:11.38 | roxy_ | how can I know what is my network device for wlan card ? |
| 11:11.58 | diilbertAtWork | If I run alsamixer from the console it shows no activity |
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| 11:12.02 | liable | roxy_: iwconfig |
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| 11:12.12 | diilbertAtWork | oops wrong button |
| 11:12.23 | papak | Gathond, thanks for your help... hehe im a bit screwed now, it only keeps it for 4 weeks then removes :( |
| 11:12.26 | liable | activity?? |
| 11:12.41 | liable | diilbertAtWork: you use it to adjust levels, not watch stuff :) |
| 11:12.52 | couannette | robin_sz: strings -a <file> | grep GNU |
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| 11:13.27 | Inty^ | diilbertAtWork, type the following in a console window: amixer set Master 100 unmute |
| 11:13.29 | Inty^ | and |
| 11:13.37 | Inty^ | amixer set PCM 100 unmute |
| 11:13.41 | couannette | but I'm dub about the output ... |
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| 11:14.23 | roxy_ | liable: thanks |
| 11:14.25 | diilbertAtWork | lol |
| 11:14.58 | Eulex | Inty^, umh, a lot of sound cards will produce bad sound quality at 100% volume |
| 11:15.20 | Inty^ | true, but at least we'll know if it works |
| 11:15.27 | Inty^ | if he gets any sound |
| 11:15.30 | Eulex | yep |
| 11:15.34 | Inty^ | he can always lower later |
| 11:15.35 | Inty^ | ;) |
| 11:16.22 | jnjb | a little question |
| 11:16.44 | Inty^ | !ask |
| 11:16.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:17.38 | jnjb | someone here know the people Gniarf on #debian-fr? it kick mme whitout reassons |
| 11:17.53 | streuner | no, just ask him |
| 11:18.24 | jnjb | i tryed it tell "faire chier" how i just say hello |
| 11:18.26 | diilbertAtWork | Inty^: NOthing yet the "sound " tests work |
| 11:20.55 | diilbertAtWork | This is starting to get annoying :p |
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| 11:21.22 | Inty^ | :o |
| 11:21.24 | Inty^ | :/ |
| 11:21.50 | jnjb | what chip in your sound card diilbertAtWork |
| 11:22.22 | diilbertAtWork | It is using the es1371 driver |
| 11:22.27 | diilbertAtWork | that is what I used before |
| 11:22.29 | dazjorz | I've got it |
| 11:22.30 | diilbertAtWork | and it worked |
| 11:22.30 | dazjorz | ! |
| 11:22.31 | dazjorz | =D |
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| 11:23.24 | jnjb | diilbertAtWork, get the sound level at 77% |
| 11:24.13 | diilbertAtWork | Everything is at 77.;.. but I am not hearding anything anyway |
| 11:24.59 | dazjorz | err |
| 11:25.02 | dazjorz | the laptop |
| 11:25.06 | dazjorz | it has an ethernet port |
| 11:25.22 | dazjorz | but debian doesn't recognise it, only 'lo' exists in ifconfig |
| 11:25.27 | dazjorz | loopback |
| 11:25.34 | dazjorz | I just connected the cable.. |
| 11:25.42 | dazjorz | how do I tell debian that I connected the cable and eth0 exists? |
| 11:25.53 | roxy_ | jnjb: #debian-fr is not the friendliest place |
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| 11:26.08 | Inty^ | dazjorz, edit the /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 11:26.14 | dazjorz | Inty^: Okay thanks |
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| 11:26.42 | dazjorz | Inty^: Doesn't exist |
| 11:26.54 | Inty^ | owww |
| 11:26.56 | Inty^ | a typo |
| 11:27.00 | insidius | Is there a way to get apt onto a system if it was not put on properly during the initial install? |
| 11:27.10 | dazjorz | Inty^: I think it's /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:27.10 | Inty^ | the /etc/network/interfaces file i mean |
| 11:27.13 | jnjb | roxy_, is the first one how it kick me |
| 11:27.29 | dazjorz | Inty^: i'll read man interfaces to edit it |
| 11:27.29 | dazjorz | right? |
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| 11:27.37 | jnjb | i gon on #debian-fr 3 by week |
| 11:27.44 | Inty^ | yes |
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| 11:28.10 | Ronin | jnjb: your there now aren't you? |
| 11:29.50 | marg | insidius: did you finished your installation? |
| 11:30.31 | insidius | Its for a freind and they did but strangly they have no apt |
| 11:30.48 | jnjb | Ronin, i left #debian-fr |
| 11:31.52 | dazjorz | Inty^: Works now, thanks |
| 11:32.06 | Inty^ | np |
| 11:32.13 | Inty^ | insidius, http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/apt |
| 11:32.14 | marg | insidius: I think you can download the .deb Package from a mirror and then install it with dpkg -i |
| 11:32.24 | marg | :) |
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| 11:32.42 | insidius | Ok thanks im gonna give it a try. Strangely even though apt did not install on his system ssh did |
| 11:32.54 | roxy_ | is there a package that would allow me to see my batterie level ? |
| 11:34.15 | marg | Is there anyone who can help with VPN and Windows XP? |
| 11:34.22 | Inty^ | uhm |
| 11:34.32 | Inty^ | marg, wrong channel |
| 11:34.34 | Inty^ | :p |
| 11:34.52 | marg | Well, I installed it on a debian system :) |
| 11:34.54 | marg | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/245 |
| 11:35.45 | marg | in fact I used a VmWare virtual machine, and I succeded in creating a VPN between my WinXP where VMware is installed and the Virtual Debian system |
| 11:36.05 | marg | but when I try from any other computer it simply doesn't work |
| 11:36.27 | tikka-trivia | u using host only networking ? |
| 11:36.33 | marg | no, bridge |
| 11:36.44 | tikka-trivia | is vmware host xp ? |
| 11:36.48 | tikka-trivia | yea |
| 11:36.50 | tikka-trivia | sorry it is |
| 11:36.53 | tikka-trivia | i just read what u said again |
| 11:36.56 | marg | :) |
| 11:37.04 | marg | in fact I can do anythin from other pcs, like ssh |
| 11:37.07 | tikka-trivia | was gonna say nix version has a config for port forwarding |
| 11:37.11 | tikka-trivia | really |
| 11:37.12 | tikka-trivia | oh ok |
| 11:37.16 | tikka-trivia | *shuts up* |
| 11:37.16 | tikka-trivia | lol |
| 11:37.30 | marg | and also the connection starts, but then there is some problem |
| 11:37.36 | marg | (gonna paste the log lines) |
| 11:37.57 | marg | Jul 23 13:09:34 OctoInstaller l2tpd[800]: receive_window_size_avp: peer wants RWS of 8. Will use flow control. |
| 11:37.57 | marg | Jul 23 13:09:39 OctoInstaller l2tpd[800]: control_xmit: Maximum retries exceeded for tunnel 23401. Closing. |
| 11:38.24 | jnjb | roxy_, you use xfce or others |
| 11:38.40 | marg | is there anything you know that can cause such a problem? |
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| 11:39.01 | tikka-trivia | I haven't done enough with vpn, sorry |
| 11:39.11 | marg | ok, no problem, thank anyway |
| 11:39.13 | tikka-trivia | I thought it was a lesser technical issue :P |
| 11:39.16 | tikka-trivia | hehe |
| 11:39.19 | marg | hehe |
| 11:39.35 | marg | I spent the last 3 days trying :P |
| 11:39.37 | tikka-trivia | bugger |
| 11:39.46 | tikka-trivia | the remote vpn client |
| 11:39.47 | tikka-trivia | is that also xp ? |
| 11:39.54 | roxy_ | jnjb: thanks |
| 11:40.13 | marg | yes, the only difference is that it is SP2 |
| 11:40.16 | tikka-trivia | I see |
| 11:40.29 | marg | I also tried from an XP Home, but I got the same result |
| 11:40.35 | tikka-trivia | i see |
| 11:40.42 | tikka-trivia | was gonna suggest maybe sp2 interfered with it |
| 11:40.49 | tikka-trivia | since quite a lot had been patched with that |
| 11:41.01 | jnjb | roxy_, why thanks |
| 11:41.09 | tikka-trivia | i wish i could help |
| 11:41.10 | tikka-trivia | but i havent a clue |
| 11:41.14 | marg | Yes, It could have been it, but I installed every patch that was mentioned in the articles I found, and nothing |
| 11:41.19 | tikka-trivia | i see |
| 11:41.20 | tikka-trivia | hmm |
| 11:41.33 | marg | do you know anything about l2tpd dictionaries? |
| 11:41.51 | tikka-trivia | how about trying another vpn client on that box |
| 11:42.19 | tikka-trivia | im afraid i have to go for a little while |
| 11:42.20 | tikka-trivia | good luck |
| 11:42.26 | marg | Well, the goal is to use the native Win client |
| 11:42.29 | marg | thank you anyway |
| 11:42.32 | marg | :) |
| 11:42.34 | tikka-trivia | *Shrugs* what for :P |
| 11:42.34 | tikka-trivia | hehe |
| 11:42.37 | tikka-trivia | all the best |
| 11:43.23 | tikka-trivia | argh |
| 11:43.27 | tikka-trivia | its ok |
| 11:43.32 | tikka-trivia | xp installer has fucking fucked me in the arse |
| 11:43.34 | tikka-trivia | grrrrrr |
| 11:43.39 | Inty^ | :o |
| 11:43.42 | tikka-trivia | i had a 200gb partition |
| 11:43.44 | Inty^ | that's gotta hurt |
| 11:43.50 | tikka-trivia | and a 30gb parition |
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| 11:43.56 | tikka-trivia | the 200 gb was damaged(i knew this) |
| 11:44.00 | tikka-trivia | its just formatted it |
| 11:44.05 | tikka-trivia | but i didnt want that |
| 11:44.05 | tikka-trivia | ffs |
| 11:44.13 | marg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.21 | tikka-trivia | arghh |
| 11:44.23 | tikka-trivia | it was full |
| 11:44.25 | tikka-trivia | ffs |
| 11:44.38 | tikka-trivia | right bbl |
| 11:44.39 | tikka-trivia | :( |
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| 11:45.36 | b00 | hey, how do i insert a rule to ban everything from a specific IP ? I have some one (or a worm) trying different user / passwords on my sshd, and its kinda irritating now |
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| 11:46.20 | marg | b00: you can both use iptables (firewall) or sshd configuration |
| 11:46.35 | b00 | marg iptables better |
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| 11:47.49 | marg | b00: iptables -A INPUT -s IP_ADDR -j DROP |
| 11:47.56 | roxy_ | jnjb: mistaken your question for an answer, I am using kde |
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| 11:48.17 | b00 | marg ah , thanks :) |
| 11:48.21 | marg | b00: or if you want only to block ssh iptables -A INPUT -s IP_ADDR -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP |
| 11:48.34 | b00 | marg, ok thats even better |
| 11:48.45 | cast | marg: might want to put it at the top of the chain though perhaps? |
| 11:48.59 | cast | it's hard to make guesses as to what his ruleset looks like |
| 11:49.08 | marg | b00: also it is always better, if you have a ssh server on apublic interface to change the listen port to something else other than 22 |
| 11:49.20 | jnjb | i tell what environement you use, for kde i think you can use klaptop seems me |
| 11:49.26 | b00 | marg yea, i was thinking that too |
| 11:49.31 | jnjb | or kpowersaved |
| 11:49.48 | jnjb | i don't remenber exactlly |
| 11:49.48 | marg | cast: you are right, I thoug he wasn't using iptables at all |
| 11:50.24 | b00 | cast : top of the chain is better, I was using iptables, with a friend's fwall :) |
| 11:50.39 | dazjorz | err |
| 11:50.42 | dazjorz | what is appletalk for? |
| 11:50.43 | marg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.54 | b00 | i never learned iptables myself ... kinda shy to admit it .. |
| 11:50.58 | b00 | perhaps i should learn it now |
| 11:51.02 | Inty^ | b00, you can also use the hosts file |
| 11:51.09 | Inty^ | the hosts.deny file |
| 11:51.15 | Inty^ | won't even let him connect |
| 11:51.30 | b00 | thanks marg, cast Inty^ |
| 11:51.34 | b00 | i have all these solutions now |
| 11:51.55 | marg | :) |
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| 11:56.57 | syntaxx | when i nmap localhost i have this port 688 698 uknown open im wondering whats that port and how to turn it off |
| 11:59.26 | marg | syntaxx, I think it is NMAP |
| 11:59.49 | marg | syntaxx I'm not sure, but you can look here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 12:00.29 | Inty^ | it is indeed nmap |
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| 12:01.11 | marg | syntaxx: anyway, run netstat -an, and see if those port are open only on 127.0.0.1 or to every address 0.0.0.0 |
| 12:01.22 | syntaxx | Inty^, its not nmap nmap runs on 689 |
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| 12:01.56 | orogor | hi there |
| 12:01.59 | orogor | anyone alive ? |
| 12:02.02 | Ronin | orogor: no |
| 12:02.10 | Inty^ | hmmm on the page marg postet it says OLSR |
| 12:02.10 | orogor | :) |
| 12:02.30 | marg | syntaxx, if it is only local (127.0.0.1) you should not worry, otherwise firewall those ports |
| 12:02.31 | orogor | i got odd stuff happening since this morning on one of my hd |
| 12:02.55 | orogor | i somehow suspec irq issue or something like this |
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| 12:03.06 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 12:03.07 | marg | Inty^, :) i never heard of olsr? |
| 12:03.08 | syntaxx | marg, oh ok by the way i scan thru scan.sygate.com and it didnt show this port |
| 12:03.09 | Inty^ | orogor, i'm living on the fine line between sane and insanity |
| 12:03.19 | Inty^ | marg, me neither |
| 12:03.20 | orogor | the more annoying is that it is the system drive, it s going a 40k/s |
| 12:03.24 | marg | :) |
| 12:03.34 | DevilChaos | anyone know how to convert flac encoded audio files to mp3? |
| 12:03.57 | cast | DevilChaos: ill tell you how to encode them to vorbis ;) |
| 12:04.00 | marg | syntaxx, ok |
| 12:04.10 | DevilChaos | k |
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| 12:04.14 | RichiH | DevilChaos: decode to wav, encode to ogg/mo3 |
| 12:04.16 | push^eax | Hi all |
| 12:04.22 | cast | DevilChaos: oggenc will read flac fine. |
| 12:04.59 | push^eax | Ive rm -R`d /etc/apache2, when i try to install apache2 it complains about a non existent apache2.conf in the dir |
| 12:05.02 | cast | DevilChaos: something like oggenc -q4 *, or oggend -q4 albums/*/* should work fine |
| 12:05.06 | push^eax | Any clue how to fix that? |
| 12:05.28 | DevilChaos | ok but i really need them as mp3 cos im puting them on an mp3 player for someone |
| 12:05.42 | veterina1r | push^eax: some -common package |
| 12:05.47 | DevilChaos | so after oggenc i can do mp3 ? |
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| 12:06.17 | cast | don't be silly. that would go against the spirit of xiph.org. |
| 12:06.19 | push^eax | Veterina1r, apache2-common? |
| 12:06.20 | veterina1r | DevilChaos: nah ogg and mp3 should be encoded rrom the same input |
| 12:06.27 | jnjb | i'm not sure pherhaps audacity |
| 12:06.30 | veterina1r | push^eax: may very well be |
| 12:06.55 | veterina1r | push^eax: you can reinstall with apt install --reinstall foo |
| 12:07.07 | DevilChaos | eh theres a package for that im sure but anyway ill oggenc them for myself anyway |
| 12:07.09 | DevilChaos | thanks cast :) |
| 12:07.14 | tristano | hello, trying to mount floppy disk i have an output like this: "impossible to mount: special device /dev/fd0 doesn't exist." |
| 12:07.28 | tristano | should i have to manage some module? |
| 12:07.44 | DevilChaos | check this /dev |
| 12:07.55 | DevilChaos | arg /dev/media |
| 12:08.15 | DevilChaos | as root? |
| 12:08.24 | tristano | DevilChaos, yes |
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| 12:08.57 | push^eax | Veterina1r, i`ve reinstalled apache2-common, but it doesnt create the apache2.conf |
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| 12:09.18 | veterina1r | push^eax: sunno how to let the bot search for files, go to packages.debian.org and look |
| 12:09.32 | veterina1r | push^eax: ^^ sorry |
| 12:09.36 | tristano | DevilChaos, mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist |
| 12:09.45 | veterina1r | !tell me help |
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| 12:10.00 | veterina1r | !tell me about usage |
| 12:10.06 | DevilChaos | mount -t /dev/floppy |
| 12:10.18 | DevilChaos | or |
| 12:10.31 | DevilChaos | mount -t /dev/f then press tab see what you get |
| 12:11.18 | tristano | e_e DevilChaos , fb0 and fd :S |
| 12:11.32 | DevilChaos | try fd |
| 12:11.52 | push^eax | Veterina1r laughing out loud it tells me apache2.conf is in a..-common, but if i install, the file is not there^^ |
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| 12:12.22 | veterina1r | push^eax: maybe it's postinstall created by some configure script |
| 12:12.32 | veterina1r | push^eax: dpkg-reconfigure apache2-common |
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| 12:12.52 | tristano | DevilChaos, no effect |
| 12:13.19 | push^eax | Veterina1r, nothing |
| 12:13.28 | veterina1r | push^eax: you destroyed all 11! |
| 12:13.37 | push^eax | Oo |
| 12:13.43 | push^eax | I just removed a dir |
| 12:13.47 | DevilChaos | make sure you are a member of that group and have the correct permissions set on the device |
| 12:13.49 | kristalino | i'm shure i found an ebuild for teamspeak. I can't find it again. Do you know any ? |
| 12:14.03 | kristalino | not ebuild, but package |
| 12:14.08 | DevilChaos | what do you need floppy for anywy just use cds? |
| 12:14.21 | kristalino | even debian package |
| 12:14.24 | kristalino | ;) |
| 12:14.29 | veterina1r | push^eax: I won't do this here just to try out what it does ;) |
| 12:14.38 | veterina1r | push^eax: maybe touch it |
| 12:14.41 | tristano | DevilChaos, my user has the permission. |
| 12:15.15 | tristano | DevilChaos, i want everything works on my system. |
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| 12:15.32 | saintiss | hi |
| 12:15.34 | saintiss | is initramfs-tools needed with a non-udev-kernel? |
| 12:15.42 | saintiss | if not, what is its equivalent? |
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| 12:16.42 | tristano | DevilChaos, how to say my system "the dhevice exists?" |
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| 12:17.10 | veterina1r | tristano: apt-get install makedev && cd /dev && MAKEDEV fd |
| 12:17.23 | possie | if you get the message"WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" would could be the problem? the repository doesn't have the md5sum or something? |
| 12:17.50 | veterina1r | possie: see channel topic |
| 12:18.00 | tristano | veterina1r, just correct or i could editing something? |
| 12:18.13 | veterina1r | tristano: wtf :D |
| 12:18.15 | tristano | veterina1r, like, fd or fd0? |
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| 12:18.26 | veterina1r | tristano: dunno .) |
| 12:18.31 | tristano | :S |
| 12:18.34 | veterina1r | tristano: try out all ;D |
| 12:18.38 | tristano | :S :S :S |
| 12:18.59 | nostradam | guys..after upgrading my kernel to the latest security patch, i now have a initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 and a initrd.img-2.6.8-3-386 can I leave the 2 kernelimage or should I do a apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386? Or did I go through the wrong way and should I upgraded the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 image (if possible)? |
| 12:19.07 | holycow | hey all |
| 12:19.16 | holycow | does anyone know why postgresql requires exim4? |
| 12:19.18 | Tallu | hmm, i wonder. i stopped the xdm and upgraded nvidia drivers, when i restarted x then.. alsamixer had the sound muted again. How can I fix it so that its on by default? |
| 12:19.21 | holycow | its seems like a weird dependency |
| 12:19.38 | veterina1r | holycow: exim4 is the debian default MTA. postgresql requires some MTA |
| 12:19.51 | holycow | veterina1r, ah, i should use postfix then |
| 12:19.52 | holycow | thx |
| 12:20.46 | syntaxx | nostradam, just leave it |
| 12:21.03 | syntaxx | nostradam, if you apt-get remove then the image will be remove too |
| 12:21.50 | tristano | veterina1r, i doesn't work :'( |
| 12:21.57 | veterina1r | tristano: sorry then .) |
| 12:22.06 | Daishi | the nerim.net repository doesnt seem to have mjpegtools anymore does anyone know of a repo that would? |
| 12:22.18 | veterina1r | tristano: well I wonder why you have no /dev entry for fd0 |
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| 12:22.51 | Daishi | and its missing transcode too |
| 12:23.06 | tristano | veterina1r, yes |
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| 12:23.41 | possie | veterina1r, ah thanks! :-) |
| 12:24.02 | nostradam | syntaxx ok...I wont mess with it...I was wondering because now i have 2 options in my grubloader.. |
| 12:24.33 | syntaxx | nostradam, one is read only right? |
| 12:24.34 | nostradam | beacause it is a security fix i thought it would replace my current kernelimage.. |
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| 12:24.45 | cast | so if i try this /msg dpkg simple sid backport method for gnucash, and i use sarge, and gnucash has about 110 sid dependancies. is my system going to assplode in my face? |
| 12:25.33 | nostradam | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro single |
| 12:25.46 | nostradam | syntaxx..so yes I guess so.. |
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| 12:25.53 | DevilChaos | cast: what is quality 4 ? |
| 12:26.19 | syntaxx | nostradam, it doesnt replace its update ur kernel image dont bother with it |
| 12:26.30 | cast | DevilChaos: i do not know what quality 4 is. |
| 12:27.20 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 12:27.30 | DevilChaos | its working anyway |
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| 12:28.18 | nostradam | syntaxx thanks for the info... |
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| 12:32.14 | Zap-W | can "Smart boot manager" boot from an .iSO file on the HD? |
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| 12:40.07 | Diazepam | can anyone tell me how one determins whether a module is being used ? does it have the number ZERO next to it when you do a lsmod |
| 12:40.08 | Diazepam | ? |
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| 12:42.30 | infernix | if it has a 0 in lsmod, its not in user |
| 12:42.35 | infernix | *use |
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| 12:43.34 | Diazepam | infernix: so does that mean its useless? |
| 12:44.09 | Diazepam | like joydev (joystick module) i dont have a joystick so no use - but how do you determine the use of others? |
| 12:44.20 | infernix | depends. it means that the module isnt currently in use, but if you have loaded a module for a removable device then you can't really call it useless if you occasionally need it |
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| 12:44.40 | infernix | by knowing the function of the module itself. |
| 12:44.59 | infernix | you can figure that out by looking up what it does in the kernel configuration itself |
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| 12:45.04 | technicks | do those gprs internet cards from like tmobile or verizon work in linux ? |
| 12:45.17 | Diazepam | so modinfo needs to be used to see what its doing then human intervention is required to determine its practicality |
| 12:45.25 | infernix | technicks: if the hardware is compatible, yes. |
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| 12:45.41 | technicks | heh |
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| 12:46.30 | turbobot | jh |
| 12:46.36 | infernix | well modinfo doesnt completely say what the module is used for in |
| 12:46.40 | infernix | !ops turbobot is spamming |
| 12:46.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: infernix complains about: turbobot is spamming |
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| 12:47.33 | RichiH | infernix: thanks |
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| 12:48.30 | Raito | I am a new user to debian(coming from ubuntu), right now I have the default repositeries, should I enable the unstable repositeries? or are they dangerous? Is there other repositeries I would have to enable? and how would I do that? |
| 12:48.56 | infernix | Raito: you can only succesfully use stable(sarge), testing(etch) OR unstable(sid). |
| 12:49.00 | RichiH | Raito: how experienced are you with linux? |
| 12:49.13 | RichiH | Raito: most people should use testing for their desktops |
| 12:49.20 | veterina1r | go experi-mental ^^ |
| 12:49.24 | infernix | Raito: stable(sarge) is recommended if you like support, testing and unstable are in a much more changing state and for more experienced users |
| 12:49.28 | RichiH | Raito: i use unstable on all my systems, but i know how to fix stuff |
| 12:49.34 | Raito | not very experianced, does stable have a lot of packages that debian is famous for? |
| 12:49.43 | RichiH | Raito: yes, but they are old |
| 12:49.45 | Raito | I heard that the debian unstable, is actually not bad |
| 12:49.53 | RichiH | Raito: it's not |
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| 12:50.00 | RichiH | Raito: for starters, use testing, though |
| 12:50.04 | Raito | ok |
| 12:50.11 | Raito | how would I enable testing repositeries? |
| 12:50.12 | infernix | don't run unstable. you'll regret it if you dont know what you are doing to a large degree |
| 12:50.14 | veterina1r | Raito: but, "the name is agenda" as we Germans say |
| 12:50.25 | veterina1r | Raito: "usntable" may cause you to become unstable yourself ^^ |
| 12:50.31 | RichiH | Raito: as a rough estimate that is completely biased, debian unstable is way more stable than suse in the 8.x and 9.x days |
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| 12:50.41 | ironfroggy | Is there a way to remove a package and all the dependancies it had pulled in with it? i want to install eclipse, but i dont know that ill keep it and i dont want to leave any of the 30 or so packages around it will pull in. |
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| 12:51.03 | EdLin | stable is not all that old |
| 12:51.04 | Raito | I see, so I can't compare unstable to universe in ubuntu. And XD at the Suse >_> |
| 12:51.05 | infernix | ironfroggy: in theory, aptitude would do that |
| 12:51.40 | mrcoyote | Yep all |
| 12:52.13 | RichiH | ironfroggy: not if eclipse installed program that has a right to exist on its own |
| 12:52.42 | EdLin | Raito: I'd reccomend using stable actually. |
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| 12:53.07 | Raito | anyways, I guess I should keep with stable, I thought stable only had system stuff and required stuff >_> |
| 12:53.24 | seventhprince | hi, gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3) , Kernel compiler: waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060630 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-4) |
| 12:53.24 | seventhprince | [!] Kernel compiler and gcc seem to be different versions., i am trying recompile webcam driver into my kernel- 2.6.16 i have used the command export CC=gcc-4.0.3-3 |
| 12:53.34 | EdLin | Raito: no, stable offers all repositories. Debian isn't like Ubuntu in that way. |
| 12:53.35 | infernix | Raito: stable for starters, then use backports.org if you miss some packages, if thats still not enough run testing. dont run unstable. |
| 12:54.23 | Raito | oh, I have another problem, I can only choose 800 x 600 or 640 x 480 for my resolution. I selected nv for my video driver, but I think I need to install the nvidia drivers to get a better resolution |
| 12:54.24 | infernix | seventhprince: testing? |
| 12:54.27 | seventhprince | yes |
| 12:54.34 | seventhprince | kernel 2.6.16 |
| 12:54.38 | infernix | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 12:54.41 | infernix | !nvidia oneliner |
| 12:54.41 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 12:54.46 | infernix | thats for you, raito |
| 12:55.00 | Raito | ok, thanks |
| 12:55.05 | EdLin | Raito: I use nv and get 1024x768x85Hz or 1280x1024x60Hz |
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| 12:55.33 | EdLin | Raito: the propritary drivers are faster, but I have an old card that doesn't work with the latest nvidia propritary driver. |
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| 12:55.51 | veterina1r | use the nvidia blob? |
| 12:55.52 | diilbertAtWork | Alright... I just booted into Knoppix to test my audio drivers and tried XMMS and it works fine |
| 12:55.54 | veterina1r | nah. |
| 12:56.08 | seventhprince | infernix> how do i reconcile gcc with kernel compiler so that both r the same |
| 12:56.09 | diilbertAtWork | is there any setting I could look for in here and compare it to my Debian settings |
| 12:56.29 | Raito | also, since I come from ubuntu, I am used to using sudo, not su. What is the differnce between su and su - |
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| 12:56.42 | infernix | seventhprince: booting my testing box, sec |
| 12:56.43 | veterina1r | Raito: sudo has a configfile, su hasn't |
| 12:56.46 | seventhprince | infernix> i have used command 'export CC=gcc-xxxx' |
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| 12:57.05 | EdLin | Raito: su - is like logging in as root, it loads all the environment |
| 12:57.06 | veterina1r | Raito: in that configfile, you can declare certain users to be capable of doing specific stuff |
| 12:57.18 | veterina1r | Raito: (possibly without password) |
| 12:57.39 | veterina1r | Raito: so sudo allows for more fine-grained access control |
| 12:57.42 | Raito | oh, and how do I enable contrib and nonfree sources? |
| 12:57.44 | ironfroggy | RichiH: define "right to exist on its own"? |
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| 12:58.22 | Raito | dpkg said I need them |
| 12:59.00 | RichiH | ironfroggy: for example, if eclipse had installed vim, for som reason |
| 12:59.04 | EdLin | Raito: add them to the deb and deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sourcces.list |
| 12:59.14 | RichiH | vim would not be caught by deborphan |
| 12:59.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.44 | infernix | Kamping_Kaiser: tinyproxy? |
| 12:59.51 | infernix | not sure if it caches |
| 13:00.10 | Tallu | squid? not sure about small though ;) |
| 13:00.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tallu, no, squid is exactly what i'm trying to avoid :) |
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| 13:00.24 | ironfroggy | so there is no flag on installed packages that says "user wanted this" or "dependancy of something the user wanted"? |
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| 13:00.32 | Tallu | Kamping_Kaiser: hehe ok |
| 13:00.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | i was trying http-replicator, but its not workign (i cant download from security.debian.org) |
| 13:00.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | infernix, it doestn say in its apt description, i'll check it online |
| 13:01.01 | knight3 | hey guys does anyone know of a good piece of software similar to phpbb to host pictures on like a gallery site? |
| 13:01.22 | infernix | knight3: eGallery |
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| 13:01.36 | Raito | Edlin: oh, right after stable and main, ok |
| 13:01.57 | infernix | knight3: also called My_eGallery |
| 13:01.59 | EdLin | Raito: yep "contrib" and "non-free", then apt-get update. |
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| 13:03.10 | EdLin | brb |
| 13:03.15 | Tallu | infernix: that looks nice :) |
| 13:03.15 | knight3 | infernix: nah man i mean like a free one i can host on my own box |
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| 13:03.39 | cast | knight3: check out opensourcecms.com |
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| 13:03.56 | infernix | knight3: it's free, dont see how you think its not |
| 13:04.53 | infernix | actually, its not eGallery (which is for postnuke) but Gallery i ment: http://gallery.menalto.com/ |
| 13:04.53 | Raito | uh oh, when I did an aptitude update after I got the new sources.list it gave me an error, pastebin seems to be down too :/ |
| 13:05.01 | knight3 | infernix: really i had a quick look probs didnt read it enough i saw $350 and just closed it lol |
| 13:05.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | infernix, tinyproxy wont cache :( (just fyi) |
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| 13:06.07 | infernix | !paste |
| 13:06.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
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| 13:07.49 | Raito | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3226, help, I got an error when I did aptitude update |
| 13:08.25 | dvs | Raito: "contrib" should be small letters like this |
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| 13:08.50 | Raito | dvs: ah, I was mislead thinking the C should be capital because I copied it from dpkg, thanks |
| 13:09.03 | dvs | yw |
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| 13:11.05 | Raito | dvs: nope, still another error, it is smaller though http://channels.debian.net/paste/3227 |
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| 13:11.47 | dvs | Raito: that's just a warning |
| 13:11.59 | Raito | dvs: why does it say that? |
| 13:12.17 | dvs | Raito: I don't know. I don't use aptitude |
| 13:12.26 | Raito | fine I'll use apt-get >_< |
| 13:12.42 | Raito | hmm, no error with apt-get |
| 13:12.59 | dvs | Raito: but still, it's just a warning |
| 13:16.12 | Raito | ok, so I tried to install the nvidia drivers, but it aborts for some reason with one package |
| 13:16.17 | Raito | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3228 |
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| 13:18.35 | roxy_ | jnjb: I am not register to pm :( |
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| 13:18.44 | cast | awww :< |
| 13:18.54 | cast | you can still pm me. but i won't talk to you :> |
| 13:19.50 | Tallu | I'm starting to be so happy I installed debian on this computer. :) Finally starting to get everything up and running properly |
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| 13:22.25 | roym | Is there a performance difference between using the kernels from the |
| 13:22.26 | roym | linux-image-2.6-486 and linux-image-2.6-686 packages? |
| 13:22.49 | roym | (at least, is it significant?) |
| 13:23.38 | jetscreamer | the 686 is geared towards an intel recent proc |
| 13:23.42 | jetscreamer | recent intel |
| 13:23.55 | jnjb | roym that depends of the pross you use |
| 13:24.10 | jnjb | i686 since p2 |
| 13:24.34 | ericP | i read the question as "if i *could* use either, what performance penalty do i pay using the 486 image?" |
| 13:24.48 | ericP | and have wondered about that myself |
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| 13:26.02 | liable | where do i set cflags permanently? |
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| 13:27.07 | ericP | liable, for compiling a particular prog, or for your system in general? |
| 13:27.35 | liable | in general |
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| 13:28.12 | syntaxx | Raito, i think it because of > after install module assistant it should be one line thats what i think |
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| 13:28.37 | ericP | i guess you could $(EXPORT CFLAGS=-Od -g) in your .bashrc (adjust for whatever login shell you run) |
| 13:28.46 | b1z | hi, is there a debian specific ati channel? (especially for the packaged version of the ati proprietary drivers) |
| 13:29.28 | jnjb | see 3ati |
| 13:29.33 | ericP | liable, -4s/EXPORT/export/ |
| 13:29.39 | jnjb | #ati |
| 13:30.37 | Raito | syntaxx: I just manually installed it, without the &&'s, it worked |
| 13:30.50 | cast | does debian have a stance on DRM? |
| 13:31.05 | dmsantam | cast, debian doesn't like drm |
| 13:31.18 | cast | is it going to resist it? |
| 13:31.27 | veterina1r | cast: GNU has |
| 13:31.27 | syntaxx | Raito, yeah it will work && is for the next command to run just make sure it should be in one line |
| 13:31.36 | veterina1r | cast: "DRM" is a misleading term |
| 13:31.55 | liable | ericP: ya, i was thinking it must be .bashrc.. |
| 13:32.00 | cast | veterina1r: oh? i'd call it TCPA but they keep changing their name |
| 13:32.06 | dmsantam | RMS definitely has a stance ;) |
| 13:32.25 | ericP | ya think? |
| 13:32.29 | liable | heh, i was thinking direct rendering.. |
| 13:32.33 | infernix | cast: basically any form of DRM where there's proprietary code or bad licensing involved isnt compatible with Debian |
| 13:32.55 | veterina1r | cast: if by "they" you mean the people writing software to restrict a user's access to a file, then these "they" certainly will not give their products other names than misleading ones ^^ |
| 13:33.26 | veterina1r | cast: (in this context) :) |
| 13:33.42 | veterina1r | yes, actually I think RMS can put it more concisely ^^ |
| 13:33.59 | cast | i'm faced with buying a new computer soon, i've noticed the new intel cpu's have la grande extensions |
| 13:34.35 | dmsantam | has anyone used xgl yet? |
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| 13:35.35 | infernix | dmsantam: friend of mine said he got it running on debian testing, but i havent bothered. i prefer ion3 |
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| 13:36.18 | dmsantam | infernix, ion3? |
| 13:36.21 | dmsantam | !ion3 |
| 13:36.28 | schasi | I'm trying that atm |
| 13:36.54 | Raito | I installed the nvidia drivers, my moniter doesn't blow up, and I see the nvidia logo when I restarted x. But I still only have 800 x 600 and 640 x 480 for my resolution. What is wrong? something in xfree? |
| 13:37.07 | schasi | http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/misc.html#docs |
| 13:37.38 | cast | 'WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!' hmm so why did that occur in sid when i went to install gnucash? |
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| 13:37.54 | infernix | i love the philosophy of ion3 but it's not trivial to configure if you're not into scripting and/or coding |
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| 13:38.12 | schasi | infernix: So ive got a problem? |
| 13:38.16 | syntaxx | Raito, must dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:38.32 | infernix | cast: maybe that package hasnt been signed yet, or you're missing the key. /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 13:39.11 | infernix | schasi: it'll work in its default config but to truely become effective with ion3 is to be able to customize it to the way you work best. thats personal opinion though ;) |
| 13:39.32 | schasi | infernix: Please send me a screenshot |
| 13:39.38 | schasi | What did you customize so far? |
| 13:40.38 | schasi | s/send/make/ |
| 13:41.07 | infernix | schasi: there's nothing to see :) most of the customizing, for me, comes through shortcut (key) config, assigning types of applications to dedicated workspaces and getting accustomed to the way its set up. but thats really #ion talk ;) |
| 13:41.51 | roxy_ | bash can't find a file that exist: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wFeiZj52.html . What can I check ? |
| 13:44.03 | ericP | anyone here use a treo or other palm device that plays mp3s? i'm trying to move the mp3s to the treo. have jpilot working (subject to outrageous demands on lucky timing) but it doesn't seem to have any GUI hints for how to move music |
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| 13:44.52 | RichiH | roxy_: ls -l java/maven-1.0.2/bin/maven |
| 13:45.03 | RichiH | roxy_: i guess it's not executable |
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| 13:45.50 | roxy_ | RichiH: no, I can run java/maven-1.0.2/bin/maven |
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| 13:46.49 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 13:47.04 | dazjorz | My laptop has an Intel PRO/Wireless card |
| 13:47.10 | dazjorz | but Linux doesn't detect it - i think |
| 13:47.18 | dazjorz | somebody recommended me to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 13:47.24 | dazjorz | do you have additional ideas? |
| 13:49.48 | RichiH | roxy_: that does not make sense, then ;) |
| 13:49.49 | roxy_ | dazjorz: find the chipset and have a look at: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 13:50.01 | roxy_ | RichiH: I agree. |
| 13:50.05 | RichiH | roxy_: try removing the link and relinking, though that should not help |
| 13:50.41 | dazjorz | roxy_: The chipset? |
| 13:50.52 | dazjorz | roxy_: How do I see that ? |
| 13:51.44 | infernix | dazjorz: google might be able to tellyou that if you search for the exact specs of your card |
| 13:51.49 | roxy_ | dazjorz: for mine I google and found it. Note that the version of the chipset is important |
| 13:52.11 | dazjorz | this is all I know: |
| 13:52.21 | dazjorz | Intel PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3A Min PCI adapter |
| 13:53.19 | liable | dazjorz: lspci, there should be linux drivers for that one |
| 13:55.18 | dazjorz | not found |
| 13:55.21 | dazjorz | i'll search google |
| 13:55.42 | liable | dazjorz: its a command, if you dont have it, apt-get install pciutils |
| 13:55.56 | roxy_ | RichiH: found the error, I was in $HOME, and did ln -s foo bin/foo when I should have done ln -s ~/foo bin/foo |
| 13:56.16 | dazjorz | yeah it found a lot |
| 13:56.25 | dazjorz | i'll grep wireless |
| 13:56.54 | liable | no, grep ethernet |
| 13:57.07 | dazjorz | ok |
| 13:57.08 | liable | grep -i ethernet |
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| 13:57.27 | dazjorz | gives me a normal ethernet card |
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| 13:57.35 | dazjorz | Broadcom Corporation... |
| 13:57.41 | dazjorz | NetXtreme etc |
| 13:57.42 | Devil_Kin | hey all, anyone any idea where i can find version 1.0.4 of libcairo2 for i386? |
| 13:58.36 | Devil_Kin | libcairo even, not libcairo2 |
| 13:58.39 | infernix | !info libcairo |
| 13:58.53 | dazjorz | !libcairo |
| 13:58.56 | dazjorz | hrm |
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| 13:58.58 | dazjorz | anyhow |
| 13:59.01 | liable | is it even in debian? |
| 13:59.15 | infernix | not if !info doesnt tell us |
| 13:59.15 | Devil_Kin | yes it is |
| 13:59.20 | liable | dazjorz: you should have two ethernet listings in lspci |
| 13:59.21 | Devil_Kin | !info libcairo2 |
| 13:59.25 | dpkg | libcairo2: (The Cairo 2D vector graphics library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 431 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
| 13:59.28 | dazjorz | liable: nope |
| 13:59.33 | Devil_Kin | that one, i need version 1.0.4 of it |
| 13:59.41 | liable | dazjorz: paste the output to a paster |
| 13:59.41 | dazjorz | i guess it doesn't find the wireless |
| 13:59.42 | Devil_Kin | the 1.2.0-3 has major bugs |
| 13:59.44 | roxy_ | yes: ii libcairo2 1.2.0-3 The Cairo 2D vector graphics library |
| 13:59.55 | infernix | Devil_Kin: you're going to have to compile that one yourself then. |
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| 14:00.22 | infernix | Devil_Kin: you could check on the package search section on debian.org whether if 1.0.4 was in an older version of debian and use those source packages for compilation |
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| 14:00.55 | Devil_Kin | infernix: it still exists for hurd, but that's it |
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| 14:01.04 | liable | dazjorz: try s.d.n |
| 14:01.09 | dazjorz | liable: sdn? |
| 14:01.17 | liable | Devil_Kin: ^^ |
| 14:01.20 | liable | Devil_Kin: sorry |
| 14:01.31 | Devil_Kin | s? |
| 14:01.33 | liable | dazjorz: sorry |
| 14:01.35 | liable | gah |
| 14:01.40 | liable | !sdn |
| 14:01.40 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 14:01.46 | Devil_Kin | oh :p |
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| 14:02.16 | selim | hi, I have a little problem I try to reestablish a pppoe connection over ssh connection, what command to I have to execute to restart the dsl connection and dial in again? |
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| 14:04.52 | nanoni | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.29 | infernix | nanoni: if you use debian *unstable*, check the BTS and report it. |
| 14:05.32 | dazjorz | http://www.sial.org/pbot/18580 |
| 14:05.37 | dazjorz | output |
| 14:05.44 | selim | what does happen if I do /usr/sbin/pppd call sdsl-tonline when this command is allready running |
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| 14:05.59 | Devil_Kin | fuck. wants to downgrade half my system |
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| 14:06.05 | Devil_Kin | sorry for that. |
| 14:06.13 | nanoni | infernix: i think it has something to do with my gtk-style settings |
| 14:06.32 | infernix | selim: it'll probably fail due to the fact that its already running on the same connection, but its dependant of its config |
| 14:06.35 | liable | dazjorz: is it a pcmcia card? |
| 14:06.40 | dazjorz | liable: should be pci |
| 14:06.42 | dazjorz | hence the name |
| 14:06.51 | Devil_Kin | thx |
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| 14:07.04 | dazjorz | liable: "Intel PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3A Min >PCI< adapter" |
| 14:07.12 | dazjorz | err just |
| 14:07.17 | dazjorz | how do i upgrade to 2.6 ? |
| 14:07.20 | dazjorz | it might just work |
| 14:07.32 | liable | dazjorz: um, well, doesnt look like the system sees it at all. is it enabled in bios?? |
| 14:07.40 | dazjorz | liable: sec, let me check |
| 14:08.18 | adrakoa | dazjorz, you can install module-assistant, the module is ipw2100 |
| 14:08.24 | liable | dazjorz: you say 'should be pci' but is it actually inide the laptop?? |
| 14:08.35 | liable | or a cardbus card?? |
| 14:09.08 | liable | dazjorz: btw, do 'update-pciids' and run lspci again |
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| 14:09.57 | dazjorz | errr |
| 14:10.05 | dazjorz | i think i'm going to have to call the guy i bought it from |
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| 14:10.17 | dazjorz | MiniPCI device: Not Installed |
| 14:10.49 | geemark | is it possible to make a screenshot of whatever is on a remote X server, if I only have a root shell? |
| 14:10.58 | dazjorz | but the "Wireless" setting was off |
| 14:11.01 | dazjorz | so I put it On, retrying now |
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| 14:11.51 | dazjorz | what's "Hal"? |
| 14:11.52 | Raito | Why does /etc/sudoers have to be edited with visudo? I don't know how to use Vi >_<. I did it with nano and it seemed to work. |
| 14:11.57 | dazjorz | it requires a 2.6 kernel, it said |
| 14:12.05 | asg | Raito: EDITOR=nano visudo |
| 14:12.06 | dazjorz | !Hal |
| 14:12.06 | dpkg | from memory, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 14:12.16 | dazjorz | err |
| 14:12.16 | dazjorz | right |
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| 14:12.27 | infernix | geemark: in theory, if the x server allows it and you've set up xhost and set your DISPLAY right, you could. |
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| 14:12.51 | geemark | infernix: how do I do that? |
| 14:12.55 | asg | Raito: it's called 'visudo' as a historical node 'vipw, vigr, etc.' |
| 14:13.04 | asg | s/node/nod to/ |
| 14:13.42 | Raito | asg: I'm confused, but if I just went nano '/etc/sudoers' and edited it like that what is the bad thing about that? sudo seemed to work |
| 14:13.43 | aeronadix | man! ... my embed mplayer crashed mozilla all the time. And my sound driver is screwed somehow, every now and then it go staticy. ANyone experienced similar probs |
| 14:14.36 | asg | Raito: it's bad in the sense that 'visudo' does syntax checking on the sudoers file before writing it. In some circumstances, you could lock yourself out |
| 14:14.49 | asg | Raito: it also prevents two people from editing it at the same time. |
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| 14:15.06 | Raito | asg: I see, so if I screw up with nano, I'm screwed? |
| 14:15.15 | Raito | I guess I am lucky then >_< |
| 14:15.29 | asg | Raito: if you run 'EDITOR=nano visudo', it will edit the file with nano but still do the checks and locking. |
| 14:15.35 | dazjorz | err |
| 14:15.39 | Raito | asg, thanks, I'll remember that |
| 14:15.39 | dazjorz | i think i'm gonna call the guy |
| 14:15.41 | asg | Raito: read the bottom of the manpage for visudo for more explanation. |
| 14:15.50 | selim | how do I reset a already running pppoe connection? |
| 14:16.12 | liable | selim: how do you start it? ppp? |
| 14:16.19 | liable | pon? |
| 14:16.29 | Raito | alright, I wrote it down in my notebook, but I don't think I'll need to edit it again, thanks |
| 14:16.30 | selim | liable: I've seen a /usr/sbin/pppd call sdsl-tonline in my ps list |
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| 14:17.38 | liable | selim: check in /etc/ppp for a config file and call poff with it. or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:18.04 | selim | liable: does pppoe reconnect after this reset? |
| 14:18.12 | liable | selim: it should |
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| 14:18.47 | liable | selim: paste your interfaces file on a paster |
| 14:18.58 | infernix | geemark: you have to become the user that the X server is running at; then with an "export DISPLAY=:0.0; xhost +127.0.0.1" you can add yourself to the access list, and then you can run whatever X app you want. |
| 14:19.09 | selim | liable: where is this interface file? |
| 14:19.23 | dazjorz | err |
| 14:19.31 | liable | selim: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:20.01 | liable | selim: how did you set it up? you seem to not have much clue. |
| 14:20.34 | selim | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vfSQ6d91.html |
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| 14:21.16 | nostradam | '80.72.32.0 - 80.72.47.255' |
| 14:21.26 | selim | liable: this setup is not mine |
| 14:21.32 | nostradam | that is the range I want to block in my firewall |
| 14:21.34 | liable | selim: um, what distro are you using? |
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| 14:21.37 | dazjorz | downloading kernel 2.6 |
| 14:21.49 | nostradam | Can I catch this range in 1 cidr..? |
| 14:21.53 | nostradam | '80.72.32.0 - 80.72.47.255' |
| 14:21.58 | dazjorz | liable: eh |
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| 14:22.02 | dazjorz | liable: you wanted the chipset of the PC? |
| 14:22.10 | dazjorz | liable: this page is about the laptop: http://www.dell.com/downloads/us/products/latit/d400_spec.pdf |
| 14:22.10 | liable | no |
| 14:22.19 | dazjorz | liable: Intel 855GM chipset |
| 14:22.59 | liable | dazjorz: i dont care for that. your lspci didnt show the card, so the system doesnt see it. so, you need to make sure there is a card in there and it works |
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| 14:24.39 | liable | dazjorz: if its enabled in bios, then lspci should see it. if it doesnt, then there are problems. |
| 14:25.33 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 14:25.35 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 14:25.36 | selim | liable: is there any way to findout which version is running, I've been told it's a woody but I'm not sure |
| 14:25.39 | dazjorz | i'll see if 2.6 makes a difference |
| 14:25.54 | asg | selim: /msg dpkg version |
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| 14:26.32 | roxy_ | What should I do when debian is frozen ? |
| 14:26.41 | tapas | hi. i just did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. now all gtk2 apps have problems with font rendering.. |
| 14:27.25 | infernix | roxy_: rejoice, of course. :) |
| 14:27.59 | dazjorz | liable: how do I see there is a card in it? I've never actually _opened_ a laptop |
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| 14:28.17 | dazjorz | liable: this is the first laptop I own, and it seems a lot different than the PC's i've done |
| 14:28.20 | infernix | dazjorz: has windows been on it? and did it work on windows? |
| 14:28.35 | liable | dazjorz: i dunno about dells, mine has a little access on the bottom. |
| 14:28.45 | selim | asg: I only get this Debian GNU/Linux »dpkg« Paketmanagement-Programm Version 1.10.27 (i386). |
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| 14:28.57 | roxy_ | infernix: I mean frozen in "the cursor not moving, nothing moving" not in a "etch becomes stable" sens :-) |
| 14:29.00 | liable | dazjorz: you said the bios mentioned there wasnt a wireless card installed?? |
| 14:29.05 | selim | asg: but that's only the dpkg version |
| 14:29.36 | infernix | dazjorz: another option with dells is that you have to enable the card though some keyboard shortcut, which might hook straight into the bios/hardware. make sure it's activated. |
| 14:29.48 | dazjorz | infernix: windows has been on it, but i'm not sure if it worked there |
| 14:29.54 | infernix | roxy_: heh :) well, ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X |
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| 14:30.02 | dazjorz | liable: Yeah, in the bios there was: mini PCI: Not Installed |
| 14:30.13 | selim | liable: did the interfaces file tell you anything? |
| 14:30.18 | liable | dazjorz: ouch. ring the sales man |
| 14:30.21 | dazjorz | liable: but there also was Wireless: Off, which I turned On |
| 14:30.28 | dazjorz | liable: The problem is, I just bought it second hand |
| 14:30.36 | dazjorz | liable: So maybe that guy removed it |
| 14:30.51 | roxy_ | infernix: not doing anything |
| 14:30.58 | dazjorz | but the rest seemed all so in order |
| 14:31.03 | dazjorz | I really don't believe he actually removed it |
| 14:31.03 | liable | dazjorz: then threaten the dude you bought it from :) |
| 14:31.17 | dazjorz | liable: if I send you a picture of the bottom of the laptop, will you be able to tell me where to look? |
| 14:31.25 | infernix | roxy_: ctrl-alt-F1 and kill X. or, log in from an external machine and kill X. Or push the reset button. |
| 14:31.51 | liable | dazjorz: your best bet, would be to get the maintanence manual for it. should be downloadable |
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| 14:32.17 | dazjorz | liable: ok, i'll search |
| 14:33.00 | liable | selim: ifdown sdsl && ifup sdsl |
| 14:33.34 | roxy_ | infernix: turned it off. Second time the kwifimanager does it. And I still don't have wifi access :( |
| 14:34.14 | dazjorz | omfg |
| 14:34.26 | dazjorz | I just clicked "Service" on Dells' website and got a HTTP error named "Service Unavailable" |
| 14:34.27 | infernix | roxy_: well the question then is whether if its X hanging or a flatout kernel panic/crash:) |
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| 14:34.43 | liable | haha |
| 14:35.06 | roxy_ | dazjorz: at least they're honest |
| 14:35.12 | dazjorz | loool |
| 14:35.13 | liable | heh |
| 14:35.16 | asg | selim: erm, the bit about cat /etc/debian_version and dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 is interesting |
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| 14:36.35 | selim | liable: I'm not sure if this really works over a remote ssh connection, if this does not work I'm closed out |
| 14:36.54 | selim | asg: Version 3.1 |
| 14:36.54 | asg | selim: then you are running sarge, not woody |
| 14:37.15 | dazjorz | sec, downloading the drivers from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:37.15 | selim | asg: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 14:37.19 | dazjorz | sounds like exactly what i need |
| 14:37.25 | selim | asg: as I told, I'm not sure |
| 14:37.29 | selim | asg: thank you |
| 14:37.46 | asg | selim: make sure you have security sources and do 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 14:38.28 | tapas | hmm, and it seems gtk2 apps are not antialiased |
| 14:38.51 | asg | selim: that's sarge's libc6 version, just a little behind on the security updates by the looks of it. |
| 14:38.52 | liable | selim: you can do ifup and ifdown over ssh, but your right, if it fails, your kinda screwed, |
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| 14:39.09 | liable | selim: therefore make sure you do the && |
| 14:39.19 | beardy | asg: why the dist-upgrade? |
| 14:39.32 | liable | habit? |
| 14:39.35 | asg | beardy: it removes cruft |
| 14:39.39 | Raito | Is there a package manager that handles dependncies? Not dpkg. I don't know if you can use aptitude or apt-get on a .deb file on your computer. What should I do? |
| 14:39.50 | infernix | i tend to do that stuff like (ifup ethX; ifdown ethX) & |
| 14:39.51 | asg | beardy: and force of habit |
| 14:39.59 | selim | asg, liable: thank you for your help |
| 14:40.03 | asg | selim: you're welcome |
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| 14:42.21 | roxy_ | infernix: restarted, what log should I look at ? |
| 14:42.44 | syntaxx | is there file that converts rpm to deb? |
| 14:42.52 | roxy_ | syntaxx: alien |
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| 14:43.48 | infernix | roxy_: well if its a kernel panic, maybe something is in the syslog. if its just X, /var/log/Xorg.1.log for the last active Xorg session |
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| 14:45.10 | zodone | hi |
| 14:45.42 | zodone | is something wrong with the debian-multimedia repo? can't update fr it. |
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| 14:47.11 | zodone | ailed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection |
| 14:47.56 | asg | zodone: it may just be in a reboot. Try again in a few minutes. |
| 14:48.25 | zodone | asg: i have tried a few hours ago and now. |
| 14:48.46 | liable | zodone: works here. |
| 14:49.03 | zodone | liable: really? where is here? |
| 14:49.15 | roxy_ | infernix: last message from syslog is ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 14:49.39 | liable | zodone: from my computer :) |
| 14:49.53 | zodone | liable: you in the US? |
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| 14:50.24 | liable | zodone: there isnt any mirrors, so it doesnt matter where you access from |
| 14:50.32 | liable | zodone: no. .au |
| 14:50.59 | zodone | liable: u just tried it? |
| 14:50.59 | infernix | roxy_: well if you have a hard time checking if its a total system crash you could try pinging the machine from another machine while trying to reproduce |
| 14:51.19 | liable | zodone: i just tried an update, and got a hit from it. yeah. |
| 14:51.22 | fortran01 | terrorist attack on ubuntu servers? |
| 14:51.40 | liable | fortran01: why would we care? |
| 14:51.44 | dazjorz | lol |
| 14:51.51 | roxy_ | infernix: I'd like to get my wifi working first :-) |
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| 14:52.53 | liable | zodone: check your sources list for typos |
| 14:53.16 | zodone | liable: strange, it is intermittent for me, ok 1 out of 3 tries. |
| 14:53.21 | roxy_ | appart from kwifimanager, what can I use to check my wifi connection ? |
| 14:53.21 | infernix | roxy_: heh, well if you config it on console and it'd panic, you'll notice. try it outside X;) |
| 14:53.24 | liable | zodone: hrm |
| 14:53.33 | infernix | roxy_: iwconfig, iwlist |
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| 14:54.24 | linux2 | does anyone know what app makes volume control buttons work? |
| 14:54.36 | linux2 | the graphical one that usually shows up if you have gnome installed |
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| 14:57.33 | dazjorz | installing a wireless cards' drivers can't be so motherfucking hard... |
| 14:57.44 | dazjorz | ugh |
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| 14:58.01 | dazjorz | i'm thinking about installing windows on the laptop just to see if the wireless card doesn't work under that as well |
| 14:58.37 | roxy_ | infernix: time to read some manpage then |
| 14:58.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dazjorz, language |
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| 15:00.32 | dazjorz | sorry |
| 15:00.40 | dazjorz | anyhow |
| 15:01.48 | roxy_ | infernix: a typical home set up is "managed" isn't it ? |
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| 15:03.06 | infernix | roxy_: managed == access point, unmanaged = ad-hoc. iirc. |
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| 15:03.32 | shining | why does freenode take age to connect to at home, but not here? the network is similar, with an adsl modem + a wifi router. the router is a lower model, and the internet connection is 10x slower. Though, connecting to freenode is incredibly faster, like 5sec vs 1min. |
| 15:03.38 | dazjorz | ieee\d\d\d\d wants to rebuild my kernel, but it can't find /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/build |
| 15:03.51 | dazjorz | how do I fix that ? |
| 15:04.14 | asg | shining: you are probably blocking ident probes which causes a timeout |
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| 15:04.21 | shining | dazjorz: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:04.37 | jcml_N770 | shining, I'd have a look at identd and its port requirements ... |
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| 15:04.54 | asg | shining: if you are firewalling it, try using reject instead of drop |
| 15:05.13 | shining | asg: I'm just using the default router settings |
| 15:05.36 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: um, since when did it become a sin to swear in #debin? |
| 15:05.46 | asg | shining: then its probably dropping packets to 113/tcp instead of rejecting them causing the probe to timeout before continuting. |
| 15:06.16 | asg | liable: since the teletubbies took over |
| 15:06.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, its probably not, but i'm so used to correcting people in other chans |
| 15:06.33 | liable | ohnos! telletubbies! |
| 15:06.36 | shining | asg: I'm not sure if I can configure something. but is it more secure at least? |
| 15:07.08 | asg | shining: not really but it will slow down some scanners (as well as your attempts to connect to freenode.) |
| 15:07.27 | liable | dazjorz: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:08.02 | Raito | Is there a package manager that handles dependncies? Not dpkg. I don't know if you can use aptitude or apt-get on a .deb file on your computer. What should I do? |
| 15:08.32 | liable | dazjorz: dude, really, you need to find out if theres even a card in there first. will save you lots of time.. |
| 15:08.52 | asg | Raito: if you put the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, you can then apt-get install it and it will use the local copy and automatically grab dependancies |
| 15:10.02 | stew | Raito: you can also dpkg -i the .deb, then "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" to fix the dependencies |
| 15:10.39 | liable | dazjorz: you cant live in denial forever. kill the fucker that sold it to you! :P |
| 15:10.49 | dazjorz | man I love module-assistant |
| 15:11.03 | dazjorz | liable: yeah, probably the best idea |
| 15:11.16 | dazjorz | liable: i just can't believe he removed it |
| 15:11.27 | dazjorz | liable: it must be something i still have to install, i'm sure |
| 15:11.38 | liable | dazjorz: they arent particularly expensive to buy anyway |
| 15:11.50 | liable | dazjorz: yes, a wifi card.. |
| 15:11.53 | dazjorz | liable: yeah, i bought so much lately that i have only 80 euros left or something like that |
| 15:12.00 | dazjorz | liable++ #lol! |
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| 15:13.38 | slew | hi, im using sarge w/ gnome, how do i change the mouse cursor theme? |
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| 15:14.01 | cast | amazing. i'm running e17 locally, and gnome remotely. and it seems to have joined together into one DE |
| 15:14.09 | cast | [unintentially, but still.] |
| 15:14.19 | liable | huh? |
| 15:14.23 | binary_dreamer | hi. |
| 15:14.37 | dazjorz | what's with package linux-wlan-ng ? |
| 15:14.48 | dazjorz | it exists but it's virtual and can't be installed |
| 15:15.06 | liable | like your wifi card.. |
| 15:15.09 | liable | :P |
| 15:15.12 | dazjorz | gah :p |
| 15:15.20 | liable | :) |
| 15:15.24 | dazjorz | well at least it's not virtual |
| 15:15.29 | dazjorz | it either exists and is installed or it isn't |
| 15:15.30 | dazjorz | :p |
| 15:15.45 | binary_dreamer | i am into a small problem and i would likee some help please. i did an installation of sarge in a machine that has an ati radeon 9200 and i can not get anything more that 800x..., resolution. someone willing to help me? |
| 15:15.55 | stew | slew: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
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| 15:16.05 | roxy_ | infernix: when I do "iwlist wlan0 scan" the result is: "Failed to read scan data: Operation not permitted" (done as root). It could explains why I don't see my AP. |
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| 15:16.30 | SG_Shroom | 'lo all |
| 15:16.32 | liable | roxy_: some cards dont support scanning |
| 15:16.58 | infernix | roxy_: try iwlist wlan0 ap |
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| 15:17.06 | roxy_ | liable: do you mean I have to manually give it a way to find my AP ? |
| 15:17.19 | dorel__ | how do i set grub to quickly bootup? (no timeout) and use the first entry as default? |
| 15:17.26 | SG_Shroom | I came in the other day with issues rendering text in firefox after an upgrade. |
| 15:17.31 | SG_Shroom | I found a workaround. |
| 15:17.32 | liable | roxy_: iwconfig wlan0 essid "any" |
| 15:17.35 | roxy_ | infernix: no list of Peers/Access-Points |
| 15:17.50 | liable | dhclient wlan0 |
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| 15:17.56 | displaced | i have a question |
| 15:18.09 | infernix | roxy_: if the card really cant scan, or perhaps if there's no support builtin for it in the driver, you might have to configure it manually |
| 15:18.16 | displaced | is anyone using kernel 2.6.18 on a laptop? |
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| 15:18.51 | binary_dreamer | anyone please? |
| 15:19.12 | SG_Shroom | Something in the Unstable brach is creating the issue, with what appears to be Gnome. I use KDE so it is not an issue. |
| 15:19.34 | liable | binary_dreamer: and you enabled higher resolution when you configured xfree? |
| 15:20.01 | roxy_ | liable: no dhcpoffers received, no working leases in persistent database. |
| 15:20.14 | liable | roxy_: you know the ap ssid? |
| 15:20.37 | liable | essid |
| 15:20.42 | binary_dreamer | liable, i did dpkg-reconfigure-xserver-xfree86 and when it comes to resolution i give it higher valuse, but i do not thing it can support it. since it is still the same 800 resolution |
| 15:20.54 | dazjorz | okay, I kind of installed the ipw2200 driver into the kernel with module-assistant, i think |
| 15:21.00 | dazjorz | I first did get, then build, then install |
| 15:21.01 | displaced | i've got an older ibm thinkpad with the joybutton and it was working correctly after i did an insmod but after using an external mouse now it says the device is not present |
| 15:21.03 | dazjorz | so guess it's allright |
| 15:21.12 | liable | binary_dreamer: ok, have a read of /var/log/Xfre86.0.log |
| 15:21.20 | dazjorz | and i also downloaded the firmware and put it in hotplugs' folder |
| 15:21.24 | dazjorz | i guess the rest will happen automatically? |
| 15:21.45 | liable | binary_dreamer: it should give clues as to why it doesnt do higher res |
| 15:21.56 | roxy_ | liable: it is my ap, I got physical and web access to it, how could I find out , |
| 15:22.01 | roxy_ | s/,/? |
| 15:22.03 | binary_dreamer | liable, it is emtpy file. |
| 15:22.06 | liable | roxy_: whats its name? |
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| 15:22.25 | liable | binary_dreamer: i misspelled. its in /var/log/ |
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| 15:22.27 | roxy_ | liable: my gf sees it on her mac as linksys |
| 15:22.28 | displaced | any ideas? |
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| 15:22.49 | liable | roxy_: eww, once you fix this, tell here to change it from default... |
| 15:22.55 | dazjorz | jeez, i hope my laptop has a lithion battery, cuz i'm pulling it in and out all the time |
| 15:22.59 | dazjorz | the net power, i mean |
| 15:23.08 | liable | roxy_: iwconfig wlan0 essid "linksys" |
| 15:23.29 | dazjorz | liable: yeah, I want to be at that part too... |
| 15:23.49 | liable | roxy_: /j #flood |
| 15:23.59 | displaced | help? |
| 15:24.08 | liable | roxy_: and paste iwconfig output there |
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| 15:24.33 | dazjorz | the f*** |
| 15:24.44 | dazjorz | liable: okay, i installed the module with module-assistant, it built correctly and stuf |
| 15:24.46 | dazjorz | stuff* |
| 15:24.54 | dazjorz | liable: i rebooted... is there anything else I still need to do |
| 15:24.54 | dazjorz | ? |
| 15:25.37 | liable | dazjorz: you know my opinion on the issue. compiling shit wont help at all untill the kernel sees a card |
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| 15:25.49 | dazjorz | liable: yeah |
| 15:25.58 | dazjorz | liable: i think i'm gonna put windows on it to see if that recognises it |
| 15:26.02 | ihope | What version of the kernel does the latest version of Debian use? |
| 15:26.09 | dazjorz | liable: i have no idea how to open my laptop to see if it's installed correctly |
| 15:26.16 | displaced | 2.6.8 by default |
| 15:26.18 | liable | dazjorz: thats a good idea. but i think the maint manual would be quicker |
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| 15:26.24 | dazjorz | liable: don't have it. |
| 15:26.38 | liable | dazjorz: look on the bottom, undo any little flap/windows |
| 15:26.50 | displaced | if you use linux26 to install |
| 15:26.55 | binary_dreamer | liable, shall i send you the file in a txt format? so you could take a look? |
| 15:27.02 | liable | dazjorz: its one screw to change my wifi card (though its a diff make) |
| 15:27.13 | liable | binary_dreamer: put it on a paster |
| 15:27.16 | dazjorz | liable: err, it's a latitude d400, i bought it second-hand and the guy didn't give any manual so... |
| 15:27.39 | liable | dazjorz: i dunno, google is your friend |
| 15:27.47 | displaced | dazjorz, go to dell.com and put in the serial number, they will give you all of the mauals |
| 15:27.54 | displaced | manuals |
| 15:28.11 | dazjorz | yeah, just found something |
| 15:28.14 | dazjorz | http://docs.us.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/latd400/en/index.htm |
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| 15:28.23 | displaced | there you go |
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| 15:28.33 | binary_dreamer | liable, http://pastebin.ca/97303 |
| 15:29.02 | displaced | has anyone used kernel 2.6.18 yet? |
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| 15:29.55 | ihope | displaced: okay, thanks |
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| 15:29.58 | liable | binary_dreamer: your syncs are fucked up |
| 15:30.14 | binary_dreamer | liable, what do i have to do to correct it? |
| 15:30.16 | liable | binary_dreamer: reconfigure, and pick basic mode |
| 15:30.31 | liable | binary_dreamer: or medium |
| 15:30.39 | binary_dreamer | liable, and will that fix it? |
| 15:30.52 | dazjorz | omfg |
| 15:30.55 | dazjorz | i'm not even going to _try_ thi |
| 15:30.57 | dazjorz | this* |
| 15:31.09 | displaced | is anyone using kernel 2.6.18? |
| 15:31.09 | dazjorz | it involves removing the whole keyboard from the laptop and stuff |
| 15:31.12 | binary_dreamer | liable, that is what i did. medium |
| 15:31.15 | liable | binary_dreamer: um, no. i am sending you on a wild goose chase... :P |
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| 15:31.23 | dazjorz | http://docs.us.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/latd400/smen/minipci.htm#1108483 |
| 15:31.31 | binary_dreamer | liable, lol. ok then any ideas? |
| 15:31.38 | liable | binary_dreamer: Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) |
| 15:31.48 | displaced | why are you replacing the card? |
| 15:31.55 | liable | binary_dreamer: ^^ its wrong, you need the right range.. |
| 15:32.07 | displaced | dazjorz why are you replacing the card? |
| 15:32.16 | dazjorz | displaced, no, i'm checking if it's even there |
| 15:32.17 | binary_dreamer | liable, |
| 15:32.22 | liable | binary_dreamer: |
| 15:32.27 | dazjorz | displaced, the kernel can't find it |
| 15:32.28 | binary_dreamer | liable, i did choose 1152 |
| 15:32.43 | displaced | it's not that hard but you might consider checking your bios to see ifthe card is present there first |
| 15:32.52 | liable | binary_dreamer: you need to reconfigure. keep doing it till you get it right. |
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| 15:33.17 | binary_dreamer | liable, what if not? since i am doing that for 6 hours now. |
| 15:33.18 | liable | binary_dreamer: the log is telling you that its wrong.. so fix it |
| 15:33.28 | displaced | if it doesn't see it, then reset the bios, there's a setting under pci settings that will force the bios to check itself and all devices |
| 15:33.40 | liable | binary_dreamer: i am not making this up. xfree doesnt like your settings |
| 15:33.49 | Tassu | is there a command to check a folders size ? |
| 15:33.54 | displaced | du |
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| 15:34.12 | displaced | Tassu the command is du |
| 15:34.21 | liable | binary_dreamer: google those errors and you'll prolly find some usefull info |
| 15:34.38 | binary_dreamer | liable, ok iam not saying anything for you. i am really greatfull for your help. but i am saying that something is wrong, since i am trying to reconfigure for some time now. |
| 15:34.52 | binary_dreamer | liable, anyway i got to go to non x mode, to try it out. |
| 15:34.54 | dazjorz | displaced: nope |
| 15:34.58 | binary_dreamer | liable, thanks |
| 15:35.09 | dazjorz | displaced: it says "mini PCI - Not Installed" |
| 15:35.11 | displaced | ok then it df -alh |
| 15:35.34 | displaced | so the device isn't present in bios, which means the kernel won't see it either |
| 15:35.53 | Tassu | thnx |
| 15:36.18 | displaced | check under pci settings and see if there isn't a reset or somethign really close to it |
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| 15:36.31 | dazjorz | displaced, ok, i'll try |
| 15:36.35 | displaced | ok |
| 15:37.07 | Zap-W | dude , i have a 160GB Drive connected to a P2/3 mobo 440bx PIIX , the drive just went bananas once i reached 136GB of data |
| 15:37.20 | displaced | bios limitations |
| 15:37.42 | sussudio | Zap-W: no shit, captain obvious. |
| 15:38.05 | Zap-W | DMA drive seek error , chaos |
| 15:38.08 | infernix | doesnt linux simply bypass those limits, even on that hardware |
| 15:38.14 | displaced | Zap-W you are going to find if you go to intels website that there is a bios limitation of something like 128 gigs or something like that |
| 15:38.27 | sussudio | if you boot from a partition less than 136GB, yes. |
| 15:38.30 | dazjorz | displaced, there's no PCI page or something |
| 15:38.36 | dazjorz | displaced, there's a POST setting though |
| 15:38.41 | adrakoa | dazjorz, download a kernel 2.6, apt-cache search kernel 2.6, after apt-get install linux-image-2.6.x.x, reboot with this new kernel, apt-get install module-assistant and this application help you with ipw2100 module |
| 15:38.44 | dazjorz | displaced, maybe I can make it do the full POST check |
| 15:38.55 | dazjorz | adrakoa: already done |
| 15:39.02 | displaced | that should do it |
| 15:39.08 | Zap-W | sussudio: the partition is 160GB |
| 15:39.19 | displaced | the issue is bios doesn't see it, so the kernel can't see it either |
| 15:39.25 | dazjorz | adrakoa: already done all of that, but now we're thinking there isn't even a mini PCI device in it, or the BIOS doesn't detect it |
| 15:39.26 | adrakoa | dazjorz, you download firmware from page ipw2100 |
| 15:39.35 | Zap-W | sussudio: but the boot loader is in a tiny ext3 parition but that dosent matter or does it |
| 15:39.52 | dazjorz | displaced, I set the POST to Thorough |
| 15:39.53 | infernix | displaced: the linux kernel uses the bios to know how to address the harddrive? are you sure? |
| 15:39.57 | Zap-W | displaced: then how was i able to partition the drive 160GB it saw it |
| 15:40.05 | dazjorz | adrakoa: already done, and put in hotplugs' firmware directory |
| 15:40.11 | infernix | Zap-W: is it possible the disk just broke?:) |
| 15:40.12 | Zap-W | displaced: the bios didnt see but once i booted into linux the OS saw it |
| 15:40.13 | displaced | yeah, on most systems |
| 15:40.14 | _ericb | I used to have an application that analyzed the logs and mailed me when something important was going on.. anyone knows the name of that application |
| 15:40.27 | adrakoa | dazjorz, and the message after modprobe ipw2100 |
| 15:40.30 | liable | _ericb: logwatch |
| 15:40.39 | _ericb | sounds like it liable thanks ! |
| 15:40.50 | Zap-W | infernix: no , it stopped exactly at 136GB and some bytes, plus i plugged it into a different machine deleted the crazy file that went overboard and copied huge amount of data with no problems |
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| 15:40.59 | Zap-W | plus i ran some checks on the drive |
| 15:41.12 | dazjorz | adrakoa: sec |
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| 15:41.15 | infernix | well there's your answer then i guess. |
| 15:41.17 | displaced | Zap-W, i'm sure the operating system read itcorrectly because it asked the hardware what it was, you will still have bios issues because the bios is actually the one doing io on the device not the operating system |
| 15:41.19 | dazjorz | adrakoa: it's ipw2200 by the way |
| 15:41.21 | dazjorz | oh fuck |
| 15:41.24 | dazjorz | it's ipw2100! |
| 15:41.25 | dazjorz | you're right |
| 15:41.29 | _ericb | and anyone knows an application that computes the checksums of configuration files and when the checksum don't match it sends an e-mail ? |
| 15:41.33 | dazjorz | shouldn't make a difference though |
| 15:41.37 | dazjorz | i installed both with module-assistant |
| 15:41.38 | mgois | hello. I have php 4.4.2-1.1 installed bu apparently it doesn't have the mysqli extension... how can i install it? |
| 15:41.43 | liable | _ericb: tripwire? |
| 15:41.53 | _ericb | gonna check that thanks |
| 15:42.00 | adrakoa | hehe dazjorz |
| 15:42.12 | dazjorz | :) |
| 15:42.16 | adrakoa | modprobe ipw2100; dmesg |
| 15:42.27 | linux2 | how do i setup volume hotkeys. ubuntu shows a nice volume controller that displays the current volume in a little graphical window. i seem to have to load hotkeys each time a boot and i know that debian does provide another way for this to be automated and work much better. does anyone know what the name of the package is as i did not choose desktop system durring install since i use kdm |
| 15:42.28 | Zap-W | displaced: will it work if i split the drive ? |
| 15:42.30 | linux2 | kde* |
| 15:42.59 | infernix | linux2: apt-cache search volume |
| 15:43.25 | adrakoa | dazjorz, with ipw2100 you can use kismet.. it's a good tool |
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| 15:43.34 | displaced | probably not, you will end up losing part of the drive. i personally run the same board but i've got 2 120s on it for that reason |
| 15:43.46 | linux2 | infernix, already did. and i install all relative packages that stated something about volume controls but still nothing |
| 15:44.07 | liable | dazjorz: really. before you bother with *anything* to do with drivers. if the card isnt seen in 'lspci' then dont bother |
| 15:44.11 | displaced | the 440bx server board |
| 15:44.32 | stranger | guys, I need help. I have a debian sarge system working fine but I can't get firefox to play wmv or qtime videos |
| 15:44.41 | infernix | linux2: you'll probably have to start one. :) |
| 15:44.53 | linux2 | yeah but which one |
| 15:44.57 | linux2 | and what is the service name |
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| 15:45.42 | infernix | linux2: depends on hwo you want it. if you run gnome, find one thats made for gnome. same for kde. or, you could run one in the background. |
| 15:46.15 | mgois | how can I install the mysqli extension for php 4? |
| 15:46.18 | linux2 | infernix, well i have only seen it running in gnome currently |
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| 15:46.30 | linux2 | infernix, but i would imagine there is one for kde |
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| 15:46.39 | linux2 | or that the gnome app runs in kde fine |
| 15:46.48 | infernix | linux2: unfortunately i dont run either so i wouldnt know which app can do it |
| 15:47.11 | infernix | linux2: perhaps gamix can do it |
| 15:47.13 | linux2 | anyone on here at hope? |
| 15:47.49 | infernix | mgois: apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 15:48.12 | dazjorz | okay ipw2100 is installed as i did ipw2200 |
| 15:48.14 | dazjorz | rebooting |
| 15:48.16 | mgois | i have it installed but dpkg --listfiles indicates it only has mysql.so |
| 15:48.28 | enouf | Zap-W: I belive it's an ATA limitation of 28bit addressing, see 48bitLBA.com |
| 15:49.08 | dazjorz | liable: going to check bios |
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| 15:49.37 | dazjorz | nope, it still says "MiniPCI Device: Not Installed" |
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| 15:49.46 | dazjorz | shit shit |
| 15:49.48 | dazjorz | :( |
| 15:50.12 | pipeline | dazjorz: minipci devices / slots are usually vendor-locked. You need a card from your original vendor :\ |
| 15:51.09 | displaced | dazjorz where are you? |
| 15:51.14 | displaced | what city |
| 15:51.15 | dazjorz | Look |
| 15:51.19 | dazjorz | I found this in the bios |
| 15:51.25 | dazjorz | I need to press Fn+F2 to activate the wireless too |
| 15:51.29 | dazjorz | and now it detected a "eth1" |
| 15:51.30 | dazjorz | =/ |
| 15:51.39 | dazjorz | maybe I can check for that |
| 15:51.44 | displaced | so you can turn the wireless on and off? |
| 15:51.51 | dazjorz | aparantly |
| 15:51.56 | displaced | nice |
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| 15:52.06 | dazjorz | when I press Fn+F2, I see a message that the key wasn't understood |
| 15:52.10 | infernix | thats what i mentioned earlier |
| 15:52.10 | displaced | i have to use an external, my laptop is old |
| 15:52.13 | dazjorz | but I also saw an eth1 being registered |
| 15:52.26 | displaced | hmmmm |
| 15:52.38 | infernix | laptops have keybinds that effect the bios or hardware, effectively plugging it in/out |
| 15:52.39 | dazjorz | what's the best check to see if eth1 really is a wireless interface? |
| 15:52.46 | infernix | check dmesg |
| 15:52.52 | displaced | dmesgt |
| 15:52.55 | displaced | dmesg |
| 15:52.56 | adrakoa | dazjorz, this button is radio on/off |
| 15:52.58 | liable | dazjorz: lspci |
| 15:53.30 | stranger | I can view wmv files in kde but not in firefox, I can't seem to get a plugin for that |
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| 15:53.48 | stranger | Totem works fine though |
| 15:53.49 | veterina1r | reasons being, for example, if "a program already exists for a long time and its reimplementation does not add any value except for being in an exotic programming language" |
| 15:53.57 | enouf | Zap-W: you can likely use the whole 160GB via PCI ATA/UltraDMA Controller Card - those have their own BIOS, so no 127GiB limitation -- also not SCSI does NOT have this problem |
| 15:53.59 | displaced | stranger i can't do it in windows either |
| 15:54.13 | dazjorz | sudo ifconfig eth1 says "LINK encap: UNSPEC" |
| 15:54.22 | dazjorz | liable: lspci no difference =/ |
| 15:54.28 | veterina1r | now currently I check out "scriptris", a free J2ME tetris clone ;) |
| 15:54.35 | liable | dazjorz: ifconfig -a |
| 15:54.52 | liable | dazjorz: how many eth's? |
| 15:55.03 | enouf | whoops -- I mean "note" SCSI ..." |
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| 15:55.18 | dazjorz | there's lo, eth0, eth1 and sit0 |
| 15:55.23 | displaced | enouf using a promise card for an ide device? |
| 15:55.33 | Zap-W | enouf: ye , too bad i don't have any pci slots left :( |
| 15:55.39 | liable | dazjorz: iwconfig? |
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| 15:56.22 | dazjorz | err |
| 15:56.24 | dazjorz | i gotta go eating |
| 15:56.27 | dazjorz | but i'll see you later |
| 15:56.46 | dazjorz | iwconfig says "no wireless extensions" on all |
| 15:56.48 | dazjorz | err |
| 15:56.51 | dazjorz | maybe eth1 is the modem |
| 15:56.58 | dazjorz | well gotta go, see you in 30 minutes |
| 15:57.00 | liable | not likely |
| 15:57.04 | Zap-W | ok , anyone know a reliable tool for resizing my reiserfs 3.6 partition ,for now 20GB will be left untouched |
| 15:57.18 | enouf | displaced -- no card, but aan Intel 400bx w 2x 80GB HDDs ;) |
| 15:57.28 | enouf | duh! 440bx |
| 15:57.51 | enouf | Zap-W: poor boy :( |
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| 15:57.54 | ttyfscker | what is something besides k3b that will burn audio cds from mp3/ogg formats as well as burn normal data / dvd iso images? |
| 15:57.57 | Zap-W | :(( |
| 15:58.18 | infernix | Zap-W: apt-get install reiserfsprogs |
| 15:58.21 | displaced | yeah, i've got one of those boards too, but i knew about the mitation so i didn't install anything larger than 120 |
| 15:58.29 | displaced | limitation |
| 15:58.32 | infernix | Zap-W: googling up a howto is recommended |
| 15:58.40 | enouf | Zap-W: Resizing - Probably use Gparted 3MB only |
| 15:58.51 | liable | ttyfscker: cdrecord/growisofs/mkisofs :) all others are just front ends, and the cli tools arent really that hard to use. plus they have gek factor :P |
| 15:58.53 | pipeline | Zap-W: There's no reliable way. |
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| 15:59.04 | Zap-W | pipeline: least risky |
| 15:59.11 | Zap-W | or that knows how to handle reiserfs |
| 15:59.11 | enouf | Zap-W: d/l and burn a CD an fire it up ;) |
| 15:59.12 | ttyfscker | lol @liable |
| 15:59.22 | Zap-W | okie |
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| 15:59.34 | ttyfscker | liable they arent to easy when you have files spread accross a wide range of directories |
| 15:59.40 | Zap-W | parted hmm , gparted is the gui ver of parted no? |
| 15:59.42 | Zap-W | enouf |
| 15:59.43 | displaced | ok, has anyone had issues with 2.6.18 and a laptop? |
| 16:00.04 | ttyfscker | displaced:: stuff like the power management not working right? |
| 16:00.14 | pmv_ | displaced: I'm on 17. What's up? |
| 16:00.18 | infernix | displaced, rather just specify what you are experiencing as a problem than asking if anyone is running it |
| 16:00.20 | displaced | i'm still trying to get the onboard mouse to work in 2.6.18, it works in 2.6.8 |
| 16:00.26 | pmv_ | I've been getting some problems with ACPI, but I've fixed them okay |
| 16:00.38 | pmv_ | What's the moue? |
| 16:00.38 | ttyfscker | displaced:: try modprobe mousedev |
| 16:00.40 | pmv_ | *mouse |
| 16:00.42 | displaced | i had it working and then i install an external mouse |
| 16:01.00 | enouf | Zap-W: yep |
| 16:01.02 | displaced | now it says the device isn't present and won't find it no matter what i do |
| 16:01.04 | pmv_ | Is X running at all? |
| 16:01.04 | ttyfscker | how do you install an internal mouse? |
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| 16:01.15 | liable | displaced: check the thinkwiki for pointers on external mooses |
| 16:01.17 | pmv_ | synaptic touchpad? |
| 16:01.21 | displaced | laptop has jstick |
| 16:01.24 | ttyfscker | displaced:: your using a synaptic touchpad |
| 16:01.26 | liable | clit |
| 16:01.33 | ttyfscker | pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:01.34 | pmv_ | lol |
| 16:01.37 | displaced | old ibm thinkpad |
| 16:01.46 | sparr | Over the course of some apt-get updates in the past few months I have somehow become unable to put SDL/OpenGL into a resolution lower than 800x600. Can anyone point me towards what might cause this? |
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| 16:02.35 | displaced | ok, i'll go look |
| 16:04.38 | enouf | Zap-W: lot of good info here http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html ignore the NTPoop crap |
| 16:05.44 | enouf | displaced: xorg or xfree86 ? |
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| 16:09.49 | enouf | Correction to self - Gparted LiveCD is 30MB , not 3MB, still tiny though |
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| 16:10.57 | dazjorz | back |
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| 16:11.32 | dazjorz | liable: any more ideas? |
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| 16:12.53 | liable | dazjorz: run 'update-pciids' then paste the output from lspci, ifconfig -a to a paster |
| 16:13.05 | dazjorz | liable: okay, doing |
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| 16:15.08 | adrakoa | dazjorz, and rmmod ipw2100;modprobe ipw2100;dmesg | tail |
| 16:15.11 | dazjorz | http://sial.org/pbot/18582 |
| 16:15.14 | dazjorz | oh k |
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| 16:16.51 | dazjorz | http://sial.org/pbot/18583 |
| 16:17.42 | dazjorz | liable, adrakoa: http://sial.org/pbot/18582 and http://sial.org/pbot/18583 |
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| 16:18.43 | dazjorz | any luck? |
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| 16:19.10 | adrakoa | dazjorz, sudo echo ipw2100 >> /etc/modules |
| 16:19.26 | liable | dazjorz: hrm, strange, eth0 and eth1 have different mac addresses, and lspci shows a weird pcmcia firmware thing. |
| 16:19.42 | liable | dazjorz: iwconfig shows no wireless extensions for all? |
| 16:20.31 | liable | thats actually quite strange |
| 16:20.33 | cat | is something wrong with this ALTER TABLE Phone from Nickname VARCHAR(20) VARCHAR(30); |
| 16:20.41 | liable | dazjorz: bios shows a card now? |
| 16:20.53 | pmv_ | sudo su -c "echo ipw2100 >> /etc/modules" # actually |
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| 16:21.17 | pmv_ | sudo won't set permissions right for redirection |
| 16:21.47 | adrakoa | mm thx. |
| 16:21.48 | dazjorz | andrakoa: done |
| 16:22.17 | dazjorz | andrakoa: gave me a permission denied so i added the line myself with vi, but that makes no difference |
| 16:22.34 | dazjorz | liable: yeah, strange, sec, i'm gonna restart to see if bios shows anything |
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| 16:23.10 | adrakoa | dazjorz, ls /lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 16:23.43 | dazjorz | liable: nope, still Not Installed |
| 16:24.10 | dazjorz | adrakoa: sec, rebooting |
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| 16:25.09 | dazjorz | "eth1: unknown hardware address type 24" does that say anything to you? |
| 16:25.28 | enouf | dazjorz: FWIW - you can always drop to a VT/VC (ctrl-alt-F[1-6]), and login as root and run commands - then type "Exit" ,and use Alt+F7 to return to X |
| 16:26.16 | dazjorz | dpkg fwiw |
| 16:26.16 | dpkg | somebody said fwiw was for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 16:26.24 | dazjorz | enouf: I know |
| 16:26.29 | dazjorz | enouf: but i'm using Konsole for that |
| 16:26.38 | dazjorz | enouf: no need to go back to the ttys |
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| 16:27.20 | enouf | dazjorz : ok then, Konsole is fine, and i use sudo fro everything - but when necessary (very rare), I'll drop down |
| 16:27.54 | dazjorz | yeah k |
| 16:28.00 | enouf | as per what pmv_ stated about permissions for redirection |
| 16:28.08 | dazjorz | I used su for if I had to do multiple superuser commands |
| 16:28.48 | dazjorz | adrakoa: err.... no such file or directory |
| 16:28.57 | dazjorz | liable: bios still shows nothing |
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| 16:29.10 | undesktop | how do I remove a package without executing its uninstall scripts? |
| 16:29.16 | enouf | dazjorz : does your miniPCI card perhaps NEED PCMCIA tools installed -- and are you sure your BIOS is saying that for your WiFI card? or is it just an empty miniPCU|I slot? |
| 16:29.17 | dazjorz | liable: about the pcmcia thing, there's a slot in the laptop, but it's empty |
| 16:29.24 | undesktop | and why does --force-all have no effect if the uninstall script fails? |
| 16:29.32 | undesktop | and why does package upgrading always fail? |
| 16:29.33 | dazjorz | enouf: it's saying miniPCI slot |
| 16:29.38 | dazjorz | enouf: ... not installed |
| 16:29.42 | dazjorz | enouf: i mean |
| 16:30.00 | liable | dazjorz: scratching my head a little. bios shows nought, lspci shows nought, but ifconfig shows to different mac addreses |
| 16:30.09 | dazjorz | enouf: it says that MiniPCI isn't installed, and the wireless card that comes with this shing is called Intel PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3A >Mini PCI< adaper |
| 16:30.10 | liable | s/to/two/ |
| 16:30.10 | dazjorz | adapter |
| 16:30.36 | infernix | undesktop: removing without its uninstall scripts can be done the hacking way by editing the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/[package].[prerm|postrm] |
| 16:31.11 | undesktop | infernix: sounds horrible , but it's linux; thank you |
| 16:31.20 | dazjorz | enouf: and because at boot time I see stuff about pcmcia, I expect it to be already installed..? |
| 16:31.45 | enouf | dazjorz : hmmm...it's obviously not being recognized -- hmmm again - perhpas you can only use 1 type at a time ?? eth0(wired) -or- wlan0(wifi) -- perhaps some sort of sharing ?? |
| 16:31.58 | liable | dazjorz: can you paste your entire dmsg output? |
| 16:32.08 | dazjorz | liable: oh ok |
| 16:32.09 | dazjorz | coming |
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| 16:33.35 | dazjorz | liable: http://www.sial.org/pbot/18584 |
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| 16:33.53 | dazjorz | what the crapfuck?! |
| 16:33.54 | dazjorz | "Dell Latitude with broken BIOS detected. Refusing to enable the local APIC." |
| 16:34.22 | enouf | dazjorz: huh ?? |
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| 16:34.54 | enouf | dazjorz: APIC = Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller |
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| 16:35.33 | dazjorz | what the.... |
| 16:35.42 | dazjorz | i'm going to download the newest firmware for the bios then |
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| 16:35.49 | dazjorz | because it is indeed a dell latitude |
| 16:36.04 | enouf | dazjorz: Does your BIOS have a RESET function? and is P-n-P Enabled? |
| 16:36.13 | dazjorz | errr |
| 16:36.13 | sparr | I recently lost the ability to run sdl+opengl games in resolutions not defined in my xorg.conf. Can anyone point me to what might be responsible? X.org, nvidia drivers, opengl or sdl libraries, etc... |
| 16:36.19 | dazjorz | yeah, somewhere inside, enouf |
| 16:36.21 | syntaxx | if im getting configure: error: c compiler cannot create executables what am i missing? |
| 16:37.00 | john_doe | I ask this question here because I don't know where to ask it (google didn't help me). I have an ipcop firewall and I need to load some modules automatically at boot to mount a usb mass storage device. /etc/modules.auto* does not exist. Can I use /etc/modules.conf or how can I do it, or where should I seek help? |
| 16:37.00 | liable | dazjorz: i dunno wtf is going on with that. i have no fucking idea where eth1 has come from.. |
| 16:37.12 | dazjorz | liable: have you seen the error on dmesg? |
| 16:37.19 | dazjorz | "Dell Latitude with broken BIOS detected. Refusing to enable the local APIC." |
| 16:37.26 | dazjorz | think i'm going off to www.dell.com |
| 16:37.32 | liable | dazjorz: but as i said, its got a diff mac address, so it may well be your wireless. |
| 16:37.36 | displaced | dazjorz have you tried updating the bios? |
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| 16:38.40 | enouf | dazjorz: ahhh...I missed your pastebin of dmesg -- looking now |
| 16:38.42 | dazjorz | displaced: going to flash it very soon |
| 16:38.54 | dazjorz | displaced: searching for the flash file now |
| 16:39.07 | displaced | linux is saying that it's an old bios, updating it may help this whole thing |
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| 16:39.46 | liable | john_doe: in debian, put em in /etc/modules |
| 16:40.16 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 16:40.23 | dazjorz | displaced: just can't find the flash file |
| 16:40.27 | dazjorz | oh here |
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| 16:40.31 | dazjorz | "BIOS: Dell Latitude D400 System BIOS, English, Latitude D400, A08 " |
| 16:40.37 | liable | john_doe: though hotplug normally loads thm for you |
| 16:40.41 | dazjorz | ah shit |
| 16:40.48 | dazjorz | it's an exe file |
| 16:41.15 | liable | get a floppy img |
| 16:41.38 | john_doe | liable: I know how to do it in debian. Is there no general "linux way" to do it. |
| 16:41.40 | john_doe | ? |
| 16:42.01 | liable | john_doe: dunno, ask in ##linux |
| 16:42.10 | dazjorz | aah! |
| 16:42.14 | dazjorz | bios update |
| 16:42.16 | dazjorz | "Added support for newer Intel MiniPCI wireless card" |
| 16:42.17 | john_doe | liable: thanks |
| 16:42.19 | liable | john_doe: different distros have different places |
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| 16:42.55 | dazjorz | er |
| 16:42.58 | dazjorz | now just how to flash... |
| 16:43.02 | dazjorz | it comes with a windows file |
| 16:43.04 | liable | dazjorz: sounds promising |
| 16:43.08 | dazjorz | an exe |
| 16:43.11 | liable | dazjorz: you need a floppy |
| 16:43.14 | liable | img |
| 16:43.24 | displaced | ask a friend to download and put on cd if you don't have a windows machine |
| 16:43.27 | dazjorz | yeah, that's probably it |
| 16:43.31 | displaced | excuse me, floppy |
| 16:43.33 | dazjorz | displaced: my own computer is running windows :) |
| 16:43.52 | dazjorz | nope |
| 16:43.53 | displaced | i've got 9 computers running various versions of debian and windows |
| 16:43.55 | dazjorz | it doesn't make a disk |
| 16:44.01 | enouf | dazjorz: hmmm -- you definitely have two entries for "ipw2100" so it;s detected -- perhaps it wants tio use the FW interface? (look closely at dmesg for ieee1394) |
| 16:44.03 | cast | hmm, anyone used a pci express 1x slot before? |
| 16:44.03 | dazjorz | it tries to upgrade the bios on the machine it is run on |
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| 16:44.21 | liable | you can use dd in linux, but you need a floopy img, you cant just put an .exe on floppy and get it to work |
| 16:44.26 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 16:44.36 | displaced | oh my god |
| 16:44.44 | displaced | thank you dell |
| 16:44.45 | dazjorz | it's an iso, as easy as that |
| 16:44.51 | displaced | ok dokie |
| 16:45.02 | dazjorz | displaced? |
| 16:45.19 | dazjorz | errr |
| 16:45.21 | dazjorz | it's an exe |
| 16:45.23 | dazjorz | not an iso |
| 16:45.24 | dazjorz | >_< |
| 16:45.27 | dazjorz | my bad |
| 16:45.28 | displaced | if you have a iso, it should be fairly easy, but i wouldn't put anything past dell |
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| 16:45.58 | dazjorz | err |
| 16:45.59 | liable | curse fucking vendors that only supply exe's for bios upgrades.. assholes |
| 16:45.59 | displaced | so it's an exe and you have to run it with an install of windows |
| 16:45.59 | dazjorz | there is this |
| 16:46.00 | enouf | dazjor: FWIW don't worry about these 4 errors-> "pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5" -- they're for the kernel modules "PCI-Express" related |
| 16:46.00 | dazjorz | Run the BIOS update utility from DOS environment (Non-Windows users) |
| 16:46.19 | dazjorz | enouf: ok |
| 16:46.20 | dazjorz | thanks :) |
| 16:46.20 | liable | thats the ticket |
| 16:46.26 | displaced | that should work |
| 16:46.30 | dazjorz | hey I have a windows 98 start disk |
| 16:46.36 | displaced | that is the reason i left dell years ago |
| 16:46.37 | dazjorz | rescue disk-alike |
| 16:46.45 | dazjorz | ....somewhere |
| 16:47.12 | displaced | if you have a windows machine, you should be able to create a windows boot disk, even in xp |
| 16:47.17 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 16:47.25 | dazjorz | but it'll be a multiple-disk rescue system |
| 16:47.31 | dazjorz | not a simple DOS shell |
| 16:47.31 | liable | theres freedos |
| 16:47.36 | dazjorz | liable: yeah, but it's not like real dos |
| 16:47.38 | displaced | true that too |
| 16:47.40 | dazjorz | liable: still emulated |
| 16:47.45 | CHodapp | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:47.53 | displaced | update the bios |
| 16:47.54 | dazjorz | CHodapp: run a BIOS flash utility made for Windows |
| 16:47.59 | CHodapp | EWWWWWWWWWW |
| 16:48.05 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 16:48.06 | dazjorz | :( |
| 16:48.14 | dazjorz | i'm gonna go downstairs to see if there's a windows startup disk somewhere |
| 16:48.43 | CHodapp | doesn't Bart have a bootable Windoze CD? |
| 16:49.05 | dazjorz | ok got one |
| 16:49.14 | dazjorz | gunna try and start with it |
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| 16:49.51 | displaced | boot with win98 cd and tell it to just load dos |
| 16:50.18 | displaced | boot from cd and boot to dos |
| 16:50.37 | dazjorz | displaced: I have a floppy disk that will give me a small dos environment |
| 16:50.43 | dazjorz | win98 dos |
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| 16:51.06 | displaced | that should be all you need if you can get it to run under that |
| 16:51.23 | dazjorz | yeah trying |
| 16:51.43 | displaced | ok mouse still not working |
| 16:51.55 | enouf | dazjorz: might you require the "wpasupplicant" ? and perhaps other things like ndiswrapper? though the ipw2100 driver should be ok?? dunno enough about wifi :( -- check out this thread; |
| 16:51.57 | displaced | kernel 2.6.16 not 18 |
| 16:52.27 | dazjorz | enouf: i'll remember that, look later |
| 16:52.32 | dazjorz | now busy with bios flash |
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| 16:52.55 | phaedrus44 | if i format a floppy in debian ..can i transer the info on the floppy to a windows machine? |
| 16:53.08 | displaced | what info? |
| 16:53.13 | enouf | I would hold off on that for awhile 1st see --> http://tinyurl.com/ku4m9 it's a ubuntu forium cached through google |
| 16:53.21 | displaced | floppy format is pretty universal |
| 16:53.22 | infernix | phad: you can if you format it as a DOS filesystem |
| 16:53.44 | infernix | phaedrus44: dont make an ext2/3 filesystem on it :) |
| 16:53.48 | phaedrus44 | sweet..how to format as dos? and i only need like a fiew pdf files and a word doc |
| 16:53.52 | Vasistha | phaedrus44: check out mtools |
| 16:54.01 | enouf | mkdosfs |
| 16:54.14 | displaced | why would you format a floppy ext2/3 ? |
| 16:54.31 | Vasistha | displaced: well ... why would you format any drive ext2? |
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| 16:54.55 | Vasistha | displaced: ...because you want the superior filesystem on it, and don't care about windows compatibility, that's why... |
| 16:54.56 | phaedrus44 | mkdosfs fd0 ? |
| 16:55.10 | displaced | lol, true |
| 16:55.10 | Vasistha | phaedrus44: btw, if you format it ext2, you could probably read it from windows using explore2fs |
| 16:55.58 | displaced | phaedrus44 do you have network access to this machine? |
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| 16:56.41 | enouf | phaedrus44 : basically yes -- type in sudo mkdosfs for help and options -- see 'man mkdosfs' |
| 16:57.14 | dazjorz | well |
| 16:57.20 | dazjorz | the d400_a08 program is running... |
| 16:57.25 | dazjorz | appears to be doing nothing >_< |
| 16:57.47 | enouf | dazjorz: ohnoes -- it's a dellio |
| 16:58.07 | dazjorz | "general error reading station A:" |
| 16:58.13 | dazjorz | i'll copy it to the ramdisk.... |
| 16:58.27 | displaced | station a? |
| 16:58.28 | phaedrus44 | been so long since i used floppy |
| 16:58.51 | enouf | phaedrus44 : me too :) |
| 16:59.28 | enouf | phaedrus44 : though I did recently reflash my BIOS and needed it |
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| 16:59.59 | dazjorz | displaced: yeah, temporary dos environment |
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| 17:00.18 | displaced | afk, need cigs. brb |
| 17:01.19 | dazjorz | displaced: it's the floppy drive |
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| 17:01.40 | odla | what's the default desktop that gets installed with the beta 2 installer? |
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| 17:07.53 | dazjorz | damned |
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| 17:08.47 | enouf | dazjorz: relevant entry found in your dmeg "ip1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0)" |
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| 17:09.36 | enouf | dazjorz: 1394 is firewire -- you're going to have issues with wifi over firewire |
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| 17:09.59 | dazjorz | errr |
| 17:10.04 | dazjorz | wifi over firewire...? |
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| 17:10.06 | dazjorz | 0.o |
| 17:10.52 | dazjorz | I love it when Windows gives me an error I can really use |
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| 17:10.57 | dazjorz | "general error reading station A:" |
| 17:11.04 | enouf | dazjorz: I'm not 100% certain though that it's what that dmesg statement is saying, BUT it is linked to eth1 -- wifi should show as "wlan0" or "ath0" I'm pretty sure |
| 17:11.26 | dazjorz | err |
| 17:11.32 | dazjorz | how can I check if one of these two exists? |
| 17:11.52 | enouf | the usual iwconfig ?? |
| 17:12.25 | dazjorz | i need to flash this ****ing bios but windows won't help nor will this disk drive nor will these floppies |
| 17:12.27 | dazjorz | >_< |
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| 17:13.42 | enouf | dazjorz: I'm running Debian Sid -- and in /etc/network, I have ls |
| 17:13.43 | enouf | if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d interfaces options run |
| 17:13.55 | dazjorz | ok |
| 17:14.18 | enouf | dazjorz: Inside of /etc/network/if-pre-up.d$ ls |
| 17:14.19 | enouf | wireless-tools |
| 17:14.28 | dazjorz | yeah? |
| 17:14.35 | dazjorz | well windows is booted now so I can't check |
| 17:14.36 | dazjorz | but I will later |
| 17:14.42 | enouf | dazjorz: yep ;) |
| 17:15.53 | dazjorz | DOS start disk now |
| 17:15.55 | dazjorz | gonna try |
| 17:15.59 | enouf | I really don't think you NEED to iFlash ...just yet -- Perhaps a RESET Extended Configuration Data (ESCD in the BIOS) Save on Exit and reboot and let the system reconfigure |
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| 17:16.15 | dazjorz | no such thing :( |
| 17:16.35 | enouf | dazjorz: hmmm -- in the PnP OS = Yes section |
| 17:16.47 | dazjorz | will try later |
| 17:16.51 | dazjorz | flashing now |
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| 17:17.19 | enouf | dazjorz: Open her up and have a look -- and while in there - yank the BIOS lithium battery ;) -- that'll reset the bitch |
| 17:17.34 | enouf | dazjorz: OkeyDokey |
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| 17:17.44 | dazjorz | Fina |
| 17:17.45 | dazjorz | Finally |
| 17:17.58 | dazjorz | i'm getting a "Flash BIOS Update Program" |
| 17:18.15 | dazjorz | it was A03 |
| 17:18.24 | dazjorz | which didn't have the update yet that I read in the file |
| 17:18.37 | dazjorz | no support for newer Intel PRO/Wireless Mini-PCI cards in A03 yet |
| 17:19.10 | enouf | dazjorz: wtf ?? <confused> |
| 17:19.56 | enouf | dazjorz: how could the manu. (dellio) put in hardware without support ?? |
| 17:20.16 | dazjorz | it's going to boot back into Linux now |
| 17:20.19 | enouf | dazjorz: or did you install it afterwards? |
| 17:20.26 | dazjorz | what |
| 17:20.27 | dazjorz | ? |
| 17:20.32 | dazjorz | enouf: I didn't change anything inside |
| 17:20.37 | dazjorz | enouf: I don't know what he did |
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| 17:20.50 | dazjorz | okay I'm back into linux |
| 17:20.55 | enouf | dazjorz: ok |
| 17:21.04 | dazjorz | hotplug finds something... |
| 17:21.34 | dazjorz | well i'll check the /etc/network thing |
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| 17:22.04 | enouf | dazjorz: ah haaa "udev' vs "hotplug" -- when I upgraded to Sid, I lost hotplug :( - so I uninstalled udev and reinstalled hotplug ;) |
| 17:22.25 | dazjorz | will it make a difference for me? |
| 17:22.30 | dazjorz | eek |
| 17:22.31 | enouf | dazjorz: what Version are you running? |
| 17:22.32 | dazjorz | my screen is green |
| 17:22.32 | pipeline | hotplug is dead |
| 17:22.33 | dazjorz | 0.o |
| 17:22.52 | dvs | dazjorz: udev is the new hotplug |
| 17:23.16 | dazjorz | err ok |
| 17:23.18 | enouf | pipeline and dvs -- I know - but it broke my X -- so I fixed it ;) |
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| 17:23.31 | linrunix_ | k o k |
| 17:23.37 | dvs | enouf: I guess you won't be moving the etch, eh? |
| 17:23.46 | pipeline | udev sucks ass, but it's here to stay |
| 17:23.47 | enouf | I'm already at Sid ;) |
| 17:23.52 | dazjorz | my screen is green and i can't get it off 0.- |
| 17:24.11 | enouf | I finally overcame my Xfree86 - xorg nightmares ;) |
| 17:24.44 | pipeline | I can't stop shaking my fist at X.org |
| 17:24.44 | enouf | pipeline : agreed -- I jusy need to learn it 1st |
| 17:24.56 | pipeline | enouf: The less you know about udev, the happier you will be. |
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| 17:25.04 | enouf | pipeline : me either <shakes fist> |
| 17:25.09 | dvs | enouf: what's there to learn? |
| 17:25.32 | pipeline | I have option "NoAccel" in place due to X.org brain damage. |
| 17:25.49 | dazjorz | laptop is doing diagnostical test now |
| 17:25.51 | enouf | dvs - for starters - how /dev/ all of a sudden becomes /dev/.static/... |
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| 17:26.21 | dazjorz | error detected |
| 17:26.23 | dvs | enouf: you shouldn't have to get at /dev/.static |
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| 17:26.32 | dazjorz | DST short status text failed |
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| 17:26.53 | dazjorz | Msg: Unit 4: Drive Self Test failed. Status byte: 79 |
| 17:27.02 | enouf | pipeline : I had to do a quite FEW 'mkfontdir' commands and other things to get xorg uyp and running after the upgrade broke xfree86 |
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| 17:27.42 | enouf | dvs - dont tell me -- tell the Installer / Upgrade system |
| 17:27.58 | dvs | huh? |
| 17:28.22 | enouf | dvs - it couldn't find my mouse nor the keyboard -- I was befuddled at the Xfree86 and Xorg log files |
| 17:29.19 | dvs | enouf: your keyboard!?! I can understand the mouse but the keyboard?!? |
| 17:29.30 | enouf | dvs: I know there's a huge transition between xfree86-> Xorg and from devfs/hotplug-> udev |
| 17:29.45 | enouf | dvs: Yes - the friggin keyboard too |
| 17:30.02 | enouf | dvs: It broke everything |
| 17:30.03 | dvs | enouf: the transition from xfree86 to x.org was seemless for me and I used udev through the whole thing. |
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| 17:30.33 | enouf | dev: I never had udev installed-- I was running Sarge only at first |
| 17:30.51 | dazjorz | err |
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| 17:30.53 | dvs | enouf: and it installed udev on it's own? |
| 17:31.09 | marc_in_lux | good evening |
| 17:31.11 | enouf | dev: Yes-sir-eee Bob ;) |
| 17:31.11 | marc_in_lux | what is the smart way to run a program when switched to a given runlevel - as a one time deal, so I don't want to bother with rc scripts? |
| 17:31.30 | dvs | enouf: no wonder why you're pissed off. It shouldn't force you to use it |
| 17:31.31 | enouf | dev: Note -- it occured between tch and Sid |
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| 17:31.51 | enouf | dev: tahnks for understanding my rant ;) |
| 17:31.52 | capocannonieri | Hi there |
| 17:32.05 | dazjorz | fuck fuck fuck |
| 17:32.10 | simonrvn | marc_in_lux: man invoke-rc.d; /etc/init.d/<script> - it'll tell you what operations can be done with it |
| 17:32.11 | dazjorz | now if X-window starts |
| 17:32.15 | dazjorz | i'm just getting a green screen |
| 17:32.19 | dazjorz | that won't go away >_< |
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| 17:32.41 | marc_in_lux | thanks simonrvn |
| 17:32.56 | capocannonieri | I'm trying to remember the name of an app which makes one big image from many |
| 17:33.15 | dazjorz | capocannonieri: the Gimp ? |
| 17:33.23 | capocannonieri | I don't remember the name, but I trully saw it |
| 17:33.45 | enouf | dev: Also note; I was only using 2.6.8-2 at the time and through Etch everythiong went smooth (xfree86 remained in tact and functioning) then upgrading to Sid and up tio 2.6.8-3-686 kernel seemed when it broke for good |
| 17:33.45 | capocannonieri | dazjorz: no, no, it'¡s not an editor |
| 17:34.11 | capocannonieri | It's an app that does it automatically |
| 17:34.17 | dvs | enouf: if you're using sid, then I'd definitely go for a newer kernel |
| 17:34.18 | enouf | dazjorz: what's doing ? |
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| 17:34.30 | dazjorz | enouf: when x-window starts, it just makes a green screen |
| 17:34.31 | capocannonieri | does anyone remember it's name ? |
| 17:34.31 | dazjorz | nothing else |
| 17:34.34 | dazjorz | no mousee |
| 17:34.35 | dazjorz | etc |
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| 17:34.40 | dazjorz | alt+ctrl+f1 doesn't work |
| 17:34.45 | dazjorz | alt+f7 doesn't... |
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| 17:34.54 | enouf | dvs: I see, but I'd like tocompile my own shortly ;) |
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| 17:35.00 | xmb | Reinstallation of libc6-dev is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 17:35.11 | dvs | enouf: it always "roll my own" ;-) |
| 17:35.12 | dazjorz | i guess i'll have to wait for my birthday |
| 17:35.12 | xmb | what6 to do about it |
| 17:35.37 | marc_in_lux | simonrvn, that was not what i was looking for - no interest in bothering with init scripts as it's a one time activity. I'll manually switch runlevels once and want a program to run after the switch |
| 17:35.47 | enouf | dazjorz: Try to reset your BIOS, and allow it to reconfigure all the hardware upon reboot |
| 17:35.52 | capocannonieri | :-( |
| 17:35.56 | dazjorz | enouf: there's really no reset option in my bios, i've tried |
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| 17:36.06 | dazjorz | enouf: there's 7 pages, each without any reset thing |
| 17:36.18 | dazjorz | enouf: but it's doing thorough POST, no difference |
| 17:36.22 | dazjorz | enouf: the problem now is xwindow |
| 17:36.27 | dazjorz | enouf: it won't do anything |
| 17:36.44 | enouf | dazjorz: Ok...how's winblows doing -- I mean did the Flash break that too ? |
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| 17:36.53 | dazjorz | enouf: nope, flash went okay |
| 17:36.59 | dazjorz | enouf: it's a08 now |
| 17:37.13 | enouf | dazjorz: the BIOS version? |
| 17:37.17 | dazjorz | enouf: yeah |
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| 17:37.49 | enouf | Can you enter terminal and do another full dmesg? |
| 17:38.06 | dazjorz | enouf: no, i can't enter any terminal |
| 17:38.17 | capocannonieri | Does anyone remember it's name? :-\ |
| 17:38.18 | dazjorz | enouf: as I said, x-window makes a green screen and I can't do anything |
| 17:38.21 | enouf | dazjorz: Yes you can -- just boot into init 1 |
| 17:38.39 | enouf | dazjorz: Is that a Dual Boot box? |
| 17:38.42 | dazjorz | enouf: nope |
| 17:38.45 | dazjorz | enouf: linux only |
| 17:39.09 | enouf | dazjorz: So then how do you know winblows works on it with the flashed BIOS? |
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| 17:39.21 | dazjorz | enouf: I didn't say that |
| 17:39.30 | enouf | dazjorz: whoops! |
| 17:39.42 | dazjorz | enouf: when i said windows, i meant the temporary windows environment on a floppy disk to run the flash utility |
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| 17:39.57 | enouf | dazjorz: ok -- DOS env ;) |
| 17:40.13 | dazjorz | enouf: nope, it was a windows 98 startup disk :p so it was win98's command.com |
| 17:40.31 | enouf | dazjorz: Still it's DOS ;) |
| 17:40.41 | dazjorz | semi-dos, ok |
| 17:40.45 | enouf | Coomand.com is the shell command line utility |
| 17:40.48 | dazjorz | yes |
| 17:40.49 | dazjorz | i know |
| 17:40.53 | dazjorz | but still |
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| 17:41.01 | dazjorz | how do i boot into init 1 if i can't access any shell? |
| 17:41.17 | dazjorz | i'll need to use a live cd still i don't know where the problem is >_< |
| 17:41.25 | dazjorz | maybe i'm just gonna put windows on it... |
| 17:41.33 | enouf | Can you boot Linux (which VERSION ?? Sarge/Etch/Sid) into Recovery Mode? |
| 17:41.47 | displaced | dazjorz i'm looking at your bios screens, i see what you mean |
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| 17:42.04 | displaced | there is no reset |
| 17:42.05 | enouf | dazjorz: I use GRUB and choose it from my Boot options screen |
| 17:42.15 | dazjorz | enouf: hmm yeah, stable into recovery mode through grub is possible yep |
| 17:42.17 | dazjorz | will try |
| 17:42.22 | dazjorz | displaced yeah :) |
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| 17:42.57 | beardy | !single user mode |
| 17:42.57 | dpkg | i guess single user mode is telinit 1, or or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter. |
| 17:43.19 | beardy | also 'linux single' Enter |
| 17:43.42 | enouf | dazjorz: yank the BIOS battery -- it'll reset (may be a bit tough though) :p But since you've already done enough damage, let's hold off on that -- shall we ? ;) |
| 17:43.49 | displaced | hey dazjorz does it say not installed in bios? |
| 17:44.01 | dazjorz | okay enouf i'm maintenance shell |
| 17:44.03 | displaced | or disabled |
| 17:44.06 | capocannonieri | anyone know the name of an application to make a panoramic view from many pics ? |
| 17:44.06 | dazjorz | displaced: not installed |
| 17:44.17 | beardy | capocannonieri: The GIMP. |
| 17:44.19 | displaced | according to the dell site, means you don't have one |
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| 17:44.44 | displaced | you may have to install a pcmcia card |
| 17:44.47 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 17:44.51 | dazjorz | displaced: but... |
| 17:44.57 | dazjorz | displaced: it's supposed to have a wireless card |
| 17:45.05 | enouf | dazjorz: Ok -- you'll need to copy the dmesg to floppy in order to sneakernet it over to windoze, or someone else can guide you through a LYNX(?) Command line browser session for trying to post it to pastebin |
| 17:45.09 | dazjorz | i guess i'm going to have to call the guy that there's no wireless card in it |
| 17:45.10 | capocannonieri | beardy: I'm looking for an app who makes it automatically, I know it exists, but I don't knot its name |
| 17:45.11 | beardy | dazjorz: What are you doing? WHy do you need single user mode? |
| 17:45.20 | beardy | capocannonieri: google then |
| 17:45.26 | dazjorz | beardy, x-window gives me a green screen so there's nothing i can do |
| 17:45.33 | beardy | ... |
| 17:45.35 | displaced | hmmm, then why is it not reading it? |
| 17:45.41 | beardy | dazjorz: Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 17:45.42 | displaced | card failed? |
| 17:45.44 | beardy | !grounding |
| 17:45.45 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 17:45.48 | dazjorz | beardy: tried, doesn't work |
| 17:45.53 | dazjorz | beardy, nor does ctrl+f7 |
| 17:45.54 | capocannonieri | That's what I've been doing for the last two hours, beardy .... |
| 17:45.55 | beardy | !doesn't work |
| 17:45.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:46.07 | dazjorz | beardy, and because it's a german keyboard >_<, i can't find the 'del' key |
| 17:46.13 | enouf | beardy: Fill you in http://www.sial.org/pbot/18584 -- is the dmesg of dazjorz Dell Laptop -- Wifi problems |
| 17:46.17 | dazjorz | beardy, so ctrl+alt+del ain't gonna work |
| 17:46.23 | beardy | dazjorz: Ctrl-ALT-F1 |
| 17:46.27 | dazjorz | enouf: i guess there's just no wireless card in it>_< |
| 17:46.32 | beardy | dazjorz: Of copurse not, do what I say. |
| 17:46.36 | dazjorz | beardy: ALREADY DONE! |
| 17:46.37 | dazjorz | please |
| 17:46.41 | dazjorz | stop acting like i'm a noob |
| 17:46.43 | dazjorz | i'm in a bad mood |
| 17:46.49 | dazjorz | listen to what i'm saying |
| 17:46.54 | dazjorz | [19:45] <dazjorz> beardy: tried, doesn't work |
| 17:47.18 | beardy | dazjorz: DOesn't say what you tried, and by the sound of your following comments it wasn't what I told you. |
| 17:47.29 | dazjorz | beardy: okay then will you simply shut up? |
| 17:47.46 | beardy | dazjorz: You are the one that wants help. |
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| 17:47.54 | dazjorz | beardy: i tried ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+f7, ctrl+alt+del isn't possible, and i can't use the laptop that i spent 420 euro on a few hours ago |
| 17:48.00 | enouf | beardy: Someon suggested (not me) to Flash his BIOS -- which s/he's now suffering no X from |
| 17:48.07 | dazjorz | beardy, i'm in a very bad mood so please don't talk to me like i'm a complete noob |
| 17:48.17 | dazjorz | enouf: he |
| 17:48.30 | beardy | dazjorz: Until I think you are not, how can I know you aren't. |
| 17:48.39 | beardy | enouf: Why? |
| 17:48.43 | Juerd | dazjorz: Delete is "Entf" |
| 17:48.51 | dazjorz | Juerd: ok great, thanks |
| 17:48.57 | Juerd | dazjorz: Ctrl is "Strng" |
| 17:49.01 | Juerd | Or Strg |
| 17:49.10 | dazjorz | Juerd: Strg |
| 17:49.14 | beardy | dazjorz: Calm down and try to answer the questions people ask you about your problem, I, or anyone, can't help you otherwise. |
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| 17:49.25 | enouf | beardy: because the Intel Wireless card(miniPCI) was NIOT even recognized in the BIOS |
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| 17:49.40 | beardy | enouf: WHat has that to do with X? |
| 17:49.56 | enouf | Flash BIOS == Broken X |
| 17:49.58 | dazjorz | beardy: Yeah, that's what I've been doing all day, and i'm getting tired of people saying things like you |
| 17:50.16 | dazjorz | beardy, because i'm talking about ctrl+f7, you think i also used ctrl+f1 instead of ctrl+alt+f1 etc |
| 17:50.21 | displaced | dazjorz have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 17:50.31 | enouf | dazjorz: Calm Down ... someon here may be able to help you better with WIFI issues |
| 17:50.35 | dazjorz | displaced, yeah, i'll try that on the maintenance shell |
| 17:50.49 | dazjorz | enouf: i'm beginning to think there isn't even a wifi card in there and this guy just lied in his ad |
| 17:50.56 | beardy | dazjorz: I have understood that you did what I said now, let's move on. |
| 17:51.00 | enouf | Your dmesg SAYS SO |
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| 17:51.11 | dazjorz | displaced: i'm using xserver-xfree86 btw |
| 17:51.21 | displaced | whoops |
| 17:51.22 | displaced | sorry |
| 17:51.24 | enouf | ipw2100: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Driver, 1.1.0 |
| 17:51.25 | enouf | ipw2100: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation |
| 17:51.54 | dazjorz | displaced: nope, x is still giving a green screen |
| 17:51.58 | dazjorz | i'll install xserver-xorg then |
| 17:52.08 | displaced | damn |
| 17:52.15 | enouf | dazjorz: BUT -- there's also that earlier PCMCIA and Firewire entry(s) concerning eth1 I pointed to |
| 17:52.23 | dazjorz | enouf: yeah |
| 17:52.24 | beardy | dazjorz: Can you repeat your problem to me? Is it a non-working X, or some wireless card that you are having problems with? |
| 17:52.29 | dazjorz | beardy: both |
| 17:52.44 | catch23 | anyone here familiar with postfix? |
| 17:52.47 | beardy | dazjorz: Let's start with one of them. X. |
| 17:52.51 | dazjorz | beardy: ok |
| 17:52.52 | simonrvn | #postfix is |
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| 17:52.59 | catch23 | good idea :P |
| 17:53.19 | beardy | dazjorz: Are you able to boot your machine, get some coloured X screen, and then not able to use your keyboard at all? |
| 17:53.27 | dazjorz | beardy: sec, going to try if xorg works better than xfree86 |
| 17:53.32 | rhys | maybe this is an odd question, but when you launch a graphical app from like xterm, when you close the terminal the graphical program also closes, since it should be a child process. is there anyway to use the terminal just like the program gRun or such? have it spawn the process under init? |
| 17:53.35 | beardy | dazjorz: Stop. |
| 17:53.40 | dazjorz | beardy: k |
| 17:53.45 | dazjorz | beardy: i'm not sure if the keyboard works |
| 17:53.50 | beardy | dazjorz: Whick version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:53.52 | dazjorz | beardy: but at least nothing happens with the green screen |
| 17:53.57 | dazjorz | beardy: stable |
| 17:54.04 | beardy | dazjorz: Then don't run xorg. |
| 17:54.21 | enouf | beardy: see that pastebin link for dazjorz's dmesg ? again -- and here's more: 'rmmod ipw2100' http://sial.org/pbot/18583 and 'ifconfig' and 'lspci' http://sial.org/pbot/18582 |
| 17:54.21 | beardy | dazjorz: Now, are you sitting at the green screen? |
| 17:54.21 | dazjorz | k |
| 17:54.34 | dazjorz | beardy: no, i'm at the maintenance shell |
| 17:54.38 | dazjorz | beardy, but if you want, i can call it |
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| 17:55.20 | beardy | dazjorz: You have booted single user mode, am I right? |
| 17:55.24 | dazjorz | beardy: yep |
| 17:55.27 | dazjorz | beardy: recovering mode |
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| 17:55.48 | dazjorz | ...or whatever grub calls it |
| 17:55.56 | dvs | single user |
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| 17:57.01 | beardy | dazjorz: Ok, don't do anything yet, only talk, are you sure your keyboard does not work when you boot normally, and X locks/acts up? |
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| 17:57.24 | enouf | dvs: BTW -- what's the diff between the CTRL+D, or entering root passwd and then continuing on -- does the ctrl+d only allow a fsck to run - yet no cahnges are allowed? |
| 17:57.45 | dazjorz | bk |
| 17:57.55 | dazjorz | beardy: no, i'm nk |
| 17:57.56 | dazjorz | not* |
| 17:58.14 | dazjorz | beardy: after booting, x starts, gives a green screen and from that moment nothing happens |
| 17:58.45 | dvs | enouf: Ctrl+D won't allow you to fix the problem properly because you don't have permission to write to the disk. So, you're basically right. |
| 17:58.51 | dazjorz | beardy: btw, dmesg gave this message which convinced me to flash the bios to a08: "Dell Latitude with broken BIOS detected. Refusing to enable the local APIC." |
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| 17:59.12 | enouf | dvs: ok -- thanks that's what I thought |
| 17:59.21 | dvs | dazjorz: flashing it won't necessarily fix that. |
| 17:59.36 | dazjorz | dvs: no, but a newer version might "repair" the bios |
| 17:59.43 | dvs | perhaps |
| 17:59.45 | dazjorz | indeed |
| 17:59.46 | beardy | dazjorz: Then I suggest you try to boot the machine normally again. When it has booted and started X, with that green screen. Press Ctrl-Alt-F1 (the function key F1, that is) to see if you can get to a console. (I know I said this earlier, but to be sure, and if you want, try again, so we can be sure about your keyboard) |
| 17:59.48 | dazjorz | it was worth trying |
| 17:59.55 | dazjorz | or at least, could've been worth it |
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| 18:00.12 | beardy | dazjorz: hmm ok |
| 18:00.30 | beardy | dazjorz: Don't. |
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| 18:01.12 | enouf | dazjorz: I've gotten funky BIOS messages at startup as well -- and I'd prolly try Flashing as a Last resort only - other than that - I'd ignore those messages...but that horse has already left the barn :( |
| 18:01.14 | dazjorz | okay... |
| 18:01.16 | beardy | dazjorz: I just got here, and I have no idea who you are, so, I start at the bottom. No offense. |
| 18:01.27 | dazjorz | kk. |
| 18:01.32 | dazjorz | ok linux is booting |
| 18:01.59 | dazjorz | "eth1: unknown hardware address type 24" - someone said this might be firewire |
| 18:02.09 | beardy | dazjorz: Ignore that for now. |
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| 18:02.19 | dazjorz | yeah, doing. |
| 18:02.48 | enouf | dazjorz: Also -- note that LOAPIC and ACPI are very closelty intertwined -- check in BIOS that APIC is ENABLED! (or not) as it cause problems for some |
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| 18:02.55 | dazjorz | beardy: Okay, the green screen appears. |
| 18:03.08 | dazjorz | enouf: no such option iirc |
| 18:03.16 | enouf | Look again |
| 18:03.16 | dazjorz | beardy: trying ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 18:03.34 | dazjorz | beardy: no response |
| 18:03.37 | beardy | dazjorz: Ok, is the harddrive active, can you toggle numlock/capslock/scrollock? |
| 18:03.51 | dvs | dazjorz: why do you have a display manager if X is not working? |
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| 18:04.29 | dazjorz | beardy: yep, works. |
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| 18:04.37 | dazjorz | dvs: because x used to work, before the bios flash |
| 18:04.54 | beardy | dazjorz: Is the machine connected to a network with more machines? |
| 18:05.03 | beardy | dazjorz: Can you reach it via ssh? |
| 18:05.09 | dazjorz | beardy: i can't find scroll lock on this german keyboard, but for numlock and capslock, the lights go out and off |
| 18:05.17 | dvs | dazjorz: wait a minute. You flashed the BIOS because of that APIC warning? |
| 18:05.30 | dazjorz | beardy: ssh is running and it's connected to my network |
| 18:05.38 | dazjorz | dvs: because of "Dell Latitude with broken BIOS detected. Refusing to enable the local APIC." |
| 18:05.42 | enouf | dvs: Broken BIOS message it was |
| 18:06.06 | dazjorz | beardy: i'll try to connect |
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| 18:06.19 | dazjorz | beardy, sec, gotta ping, it was using dhcp |
| 18:06.22 | beardy | dazjorz: Then ssh to it, su, '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' ? meaning k g x and so on, for xdm, gdm, kdm |
| 18:06.36 | dazjorz | kk |
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| 18:06.51 | dazjorz | ok its 192.168.1.35 |
| 18:06.57 | enouf | dazjorz: Can you post the link about your recent a08 BIOS -- so we can review WHAT it did ? |
| 18:06.58 | dazjorz | i love broadcast pings (ping 192.168.1.255) |
| 18:07.12 | dazjorz | http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/format.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&SystemID=LAT_PNT_PM_D400&os=NAA&osl=en&deviceid=3249&typecnt=1&libid=1&releaseid=R104377&vercnt=2 |
| 18:07.34 | enouf | dazjorz: thanks |
| 18:07.49 | dazjorz | okay i'm connected |
| 18:07.57 | dazjorz | logged in to dazlaptop |
| 18:08.04 | dazjorz | already root |
| 18:08.28 | dazjorz | stopping GNOME display manager... |
| 18:08.37 | dazjorz | kdm no such file or directory, but kde was installed |
| 18:08.43 | dazjorz | okay gdm is stopped, no difference |
| 18:08.54 | dazjorz | i even used kde for myself, still it doesn't exist in /etc/init.d |
| 18:08.58 | dazjorz | i'll killall kdm, okay? |
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| 18:09.11 | beardy | dazjorz: If you run gdm, kdm does not run. |
| 18:09.30 | dazjorz | beardy: okay, then they're all three not running |
| 18:09.33 | ryty | I'm having a sudden problem with fglrx and gl, glx graphics in general being slow. Would anyone know why this is so? |
| 18:09.44 | enouf | dazjorz: BIOS update text says it fixes 2 things only -- broken win2K intel speedstep crud and Broadcom PXE installer crud - no wireless Intel anything |
| 18:09.46 | ryty | I mean, really slow. |
| 18:09.59 | dazjorz | enouf: yeah, but i updated from a03, so look at them all |
| 18:09.59 | beardy | dazjorz: Did you get dropped to the first virtual terminal/console on your laptop screen now? |
| 18:10.00 | dazjorz | :p |
| 18:10.12 | dazjorz | enouf: and it wasn't about the wireless card |
| 18:10.20 | dazjorz | enouf: it was about the "broken bios" error |
| 18:10.24 | dazjorz | beardy: nope |
| 18:10.36 | beardy | dazjorz: WHat happened then? |
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| 18:10.47 | beardy | dazjorz: black screen? |
| 18:10.49 | dazjorz | beardy: ... nothing |
| 18:10.55 | dazjorz | beardy: it's still green |
| 18:10.57 | displaced | A05 |
| 18:10.58 | displaced | it does an update for the pci card in update to a5 |
| 18:11.07 | dazjorz | but ctrl+alt+f1 worked |
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| 18:11.08 | dazjorz | =) |
| 18:11.09 | displaced | minipci card when it updates to A5 |
| 18:11.24 | dazjorz | displaced: yeah, i read that too, that's another point why i wanted to flash |
| 18:11.33 | dazjorz | beardy: after ctrl+alt+F1, i went back to the console |
| 18:11.38 | dazjorz | beardy: so gdm was blocking |
| 18:11.53 | beardy | dazjorz: Yes. |
| 18:12.01 | dazjorz | beardy: okay, now to fix x-window...? |
| 18:12.05 | enouf | dazjorz: ahhh...but the broken wifi led to dmesg telling you about broken bios --But Yes, I will review them all from a03 |
| 18:12.08 | dazjorz | dpkg-reconfigure gdm? |
| 18:12.21 | dazjorz | enouf, displaced, i'll check dmesg now |
| 18:12.25 | dazjorz | i'm back in the console |
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| 18:12.35 | enouf | displaced: got it |
| 18:12.37 | beardy | dazjorz: Now you want to reconfigure X, I don't know really what have happened, but perhaps you haven't configured your keyboard properly, or your BIOS upgrade borked your graphics card or something.. |
| 18:12.42 | beardy | !drxx dazjorz |
| 18:12.42 | dpkg | dazjorz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:13.07 | dazjorz | nope, it's still a broken bios >_< |
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| 18:13.24 | dazjorz | beardy: i already did that from the maintenance shell, but okay |
| 18:13.26 | dazjorz | i'll try |
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| 18:14.23 | dazjorz | beardy: okay it's done |
| 18:14.38 | beardy | dazjorz: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 18:14.43 | enouf | Can you POST the NEW dmesg in entirety again? And is the miniPCI now recognized in BIOS (I think you said no) |
| 18:14.54 | dazjorz | beardy: welcome back, green screen. |
| 18:15.05 | Razva | excluding webmin, is there any other program that allows me to control my box via a webinterface? |
| 18:15.14 | dazjorz | enouf: it'll take me longer now |
| 18:15.17 | displaced | vncserver |
| 18:15.23 | dazjorz | enouf: i'll need to send it over the network which isn't easy |
| 18:15.27 | beardy | dazjorz: As I said, I think the BIOS upgrade were not good.. |
| 18:15.34 | dazjorz | beardy: agreed. |
| 18:15.40 | dazjorz | i don't think i can downgrade |
| 18:15.48 | dazjorz | but i'll try to downgrade to a05 first |
| 18:15.51 | beardy | dazjorz: Stop gdm in the ssh:ed in termianl again. |
| 18:15.56 | dazjorz | beardy: ok |
| 18:16.04 | dazjorz | beardy: ok done |
| 18:16.07 | dazjorz | going back to console |
| 18:16.17 | dazjorz | ok |
| 18:16.29 | beardy | dazjorz: What are you going to do now? Try to downgrade the BIOS? |
| 18:16.36 | dazjorz | beardy: ... i think os |
| 18:16.37 | dazjorz | so* |
| 18:16.41 | dazjorz | beardy: what else is there to do ? |
| 18:17.11 | dvs | dazjorz: what kernel do you have? |
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| 18:17.19 | beardy | dazjorz: I don't think you have many more choices.. You could boot a livecd with X and see what happens first though. |
| 18:17.32 | dazjorz | dvs: 2.6 |
| 18:17.41 | dazjorz | beardy: good idea, i'll try that |
| 18:17.47 | dvs | dazjorz: uname -r |
| 18:18.08 | adrakoa | dazjorz, in your win the card works? |
| 18:18.35 | enouf | There is no dual boot on dazjorz |
| 18:18.46 | enouf | adrakoa* |
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| 18:19.22 | enouf | It's a Dell Laptop with Debian Kernel 2.6.???? |
| 18:19.38 | dvs | enouf: that's what I'm trying to find out |
| 18:19.40 | dazjorz | enouf: ehh yeah |
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| 18:20.00 | enouf | dvs: I asked 3 tim,es already |
| 18:20.09 | Tallu | Woohoo. got sounds working and I can play the movies from video google! what more could one wish for! |
| 18:20.16 | dvs | enouf: any kernel before 2.6.12 I don't consider good |
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| 18:20.33 | dvs | Tallu: a million bucks? |
| 18:20.47 | enouf | dvs: well I think he;s got X.org which was default on ? |
| 18:20.48 | Tallu | dvs: yeah well apart from the obvious :P |
| 18:20.58 | dazjorz | Tallu: A working wireless card and X-window >_< |
| 18:21.11 | Tallu | dvs: but this is a sort of a victory for me :) |
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| 18:21.42 | Tallu | I've become closely acquainted with google during the countless problems I've run into setting this computer up :P |
| 18:21.48 | enouf | dvs: somewhere between Sarge and Etch ? Kernel 2.6.15 ?? perhaps |
| 18:21.52 | adrakoa | dazjorz, http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 18:22.01 | Tallu | dazjorz: did you check linux-laptop.net to see similar experiences? |
| 18:22.08 | beardy | dvs: So, is his kernel the problem? |
| 18:22.10 | Tallu | oh, yeah what adrakoa said |
| 18:22.15 | adrakoa | :) Tallu |
| 18:22.26 | adrakoa | sync mind |
| 18:22.35 | dvs | beardy: newer kernels have more up to date drivers so it's worth a shot |
| 18:22.47 | Tallu | adrakoa: yeah :) |
| 18:23.06 | beardy | dvs: For hiw wireless card you must mean? |
| 18:23.09 | beardy | his |
| 18:23.13 | dvs | beardy: yes |
| 18:23.33 | dazjorz | TAllu: Just doing |
| 18:23.49 | beardy | dvs: Yeah, if it is a great difference in versions, perhaps, |
| 18:23.51 | dazjorz | "Internal miniPCI Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Works Uses the ipw2100 -module" |
| 18:23.53 | enouf | for some reason I'm thinking his WiFi card is only available through the PCMCIA slot |
| 18:23.55 | dazjorz | that didn't do the job for me |
| 18:24.01 | dazjorz | but that's probably because the bios doesn't find it |
| 18:24.13 | dazjorz | enouf: for some reason i think my wifi card isn't even in there |
| 18:24.16 | dazjorz | i think i'm gonna buy a new one |
| 18:24.29 | dazjorz | beardy: ubuntu live cd's x window works fine |
| 18:24.35 | dazjorz | boots gnome without any trouble |
| 18:24.39 | dazjorz | think i'm gonna reinstall debian |
| 18:24.44 | dazjorz | ....or lets just try windows |
| 18:24.49 | dazjorz | see if the card works under windows |
| 18:24.56 | beardy | dazjorz: Which graphics driver in X are you using? |
| 18:25.10 | dazjorz | beardy: graphics driver? |
| 18:25.14 | dazjorz | beardy: like xfree86 ? |
| 18:25.16 | enouf | dazjorz: See if it works in Ubuntu or Knoppix |
| 18:25.20 | beardy | dazjorz: As in vesa, nv, whatever |
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| 18:25.23 | dazjorz | enouf: err |
| 18:25.26 | dazjorz | beardy: no idea... |
| 18:25.33 | dazjorz | beardy: but i didn't change anything and it worked before =/ |
| 18:25.48 | beardy | dazjorz: Then how can you configure X? It's the first question, sounds like you have the wrong one. |
| 18:25.49 | enouf | err what? |
| 18:26.04 | adrakoa | worked before??? ls /etc/X11/ |
| 18:26.29 | dazjorz | beardy: yeah, just plain taking the default value. |
| 18:26.44 | dazjorz | enouf: the card... sec |
| 18:26.50 | dazjorz | i'll try lspci |
| 18:27.05 | beardy | dazjorz: Ok, should be vesa, but not sure.. what graphics chipset does your computer have? |
| 18:27.20 | enouf | adrakoa: see the dmesg, I think he's using the vesa driver |
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| 18:27.48 | enouf | dazjorz: See if "the wifi card" works in Ubuntu or Knoppix ;) |
| 18:27.50 | dazjorz | nope, just one ethernet controller that i already had |
| 18:27.53 | dazjorz | enouf: nope |
| 18:28.04 | dazjorz | beardy: seriously, i really have no idea |
| 18:28.13 | beardy | dazjorz: lspci |
| 18:28.20 | dazjorz | beardy: did |
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| 18:28.24 | dazjorz | beardy: no difference |
| 18:28.56 | beardy | dazjorz: well, something with "vga" or "VGA" should be there. |
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| 18:29.13 | dazjorz | hell... i'm really going to install either debian or windows |
| 18:29.14 | dazjorz | >_< |
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| 18:29.53 | Razva | any ideeas of how can I set webmin to accept connections from ALL hosts? |
| 18:30.09 | stew | Razva: have you checked /usr/share/doc/webmin/ ? |
| 18:30.19 | dazjorz | Razva: There's the config file, and you can set it inside webmin |
| 18:30.27 | enouf | dvs: ahhh this is from dazjorz's dmesg "Linux version 2.6.8-3-386 (root@lart) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Sat Jul 1" |
| 18:30.30 | dazjorz | razva: go to the access settings inside webmin and set it to allow from all |
| 18:30.36 | Razva | dazjorz yes, I've found the file, I've found the "allow=" line |
| 18:30.38 | dazjorz | enouf: err yea |
| 18:30.48 | dvs | enouf: See? To me, 2.6.8 is no good. |
| 18:31.04 | Razva | but I don't know how to add "all" |
| 18:31.12 | Razva | I've added my IP |
| 18:31.17 | Razva | but I'll leave tomorow so.. |
| 18:31.18 | stoned | webmin |
| 18:31.19 | dazjorz | Razva: Yeah, there's an option next to it |
| 18:31.20 | stoned | ugh. |
| 18:31.25 | stoned | !webmin |
| 18:31.25 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 18:31.29 | dazjorz | Razva: you can set it to allow all or something |
| 18:31.43 | enouf | dvs: I would probably move up to atleast Etch/testing for better wifi support |
| 18:31.54 | dvs | enouf: I agree |
| 18:32.13 | Tallu | i was just about to ask if webmin is any good but stoned convinced me with the help of dpkg :P |
| 18:32.23 | dazjorz | >:( |
| 18:32.29 | enouf | dvs: are you listening daz? stoned: lol |
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| 18:32.51 | dvs | Dells weren't meant for Linux |
| 18:32.57 | stoned | man |
| 18:32.59 | De_Mon | argh. crap crap crap don't just hate it when you rename a file and overwrite something important |
| 18:32.59 | stoned | bugger off |
| 18:33.04 | Razva | ok, a sole problem |
| 18:33.04 | stoned | I haven't even started work there yet |
| 18:33.05 | stoned | :( |
| 18:33.11 | Razva | that's an ANCIENT webmin |
| 18:33.19 | Razva | so I should upgrade it |
| 18:33.24 | Razva | in order to upgrade it I need some modules |
| 18:33.35 | Razva | but to install those modules I need a...newer webmin :)) |
| 18:33.39 | dazjorz | hell no, i'll just reinstall debian on it and buy a pcmcia card |
| 18:33.46 | dazjorz | what's better? |
| 18:33.50 | dazjorz | a pcmcia card or an usb thing? |
| 18:33.54 | Razva | so how can I upgrade my webmin if I don't have a module needed because itself?:) |
| 18:33.57 | dazjorz | i think pcmcia's look better |
| 18:34.03 | stoned | Razva, no, you need to learn how to modify configs and get your work done through config files |
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| 18:34.18 | dvs | dazjorz: I'd try installing Etch instead of Sarge |
| 18:34.21 | stoned | Razva, and the console |
| 18:34.22 | Tallu | i'd go for the pcmcia, and if you go for the usb make sure its 2.0 :P |
| 18:34.33 | dazjorz | dvs: euh |
| 18:34.34 | enouf | dazjorz: Reinstall Debian (if you need to), go up to Etch and get yourself over to the linux-laptop.net posted earlier |
| 18:34.41 | Razva | stoned hehe, not from my Symbian phone :) |
| 18:34.41 | dazjorz | dvs: can i give that as an option during debians' install ? |
| 18:34.52 | dazjorz | i think i downloaded the wrong dvd's then |
| 18:34.56 | dvs | dazjorz: you need a new CD image |
| 18:34.59 | dazjorz | >:( |
| 18:35.07 | dazjorz | sucks |
| 18:35.13 | stoned | someone who doesn't take the time to properly learn how to administer a unix system, shouldn't be administering a unix system no matter what kind of shortcuts/gui tools he has |
| 18:35.25 | dazjorz | stoned: give them a chance! |
| 18:35.34 | enouf | You can either do 'sudo apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade' or d/l the Etch DVD |
| 18:36.01 | stoned | dazjorz, of course, I cannot stop them, I'm not there... but I can give my opinion |
| 18:36.02 | enouf | Whoops You can either do 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' or d/l the Etch DVD |
| 18:36.18 | stoned | dont' download etch dvd, it will only be different tomorrow |
| 18:36.22 | Razva | ok, so excluding webmin, that's out of discussion because I need to download the sources and compile them, and I really hate that :) |
| 18:36.32 | stoned | just use apt/aptitude |
| 18:36.35 | Razva | is there ANY other method I can manipulate my box via a webinterface? |
| 18:36.43 | dazjorz | enouf: i'll just install debian from the dvd's and change sources.list |
| 18:36.46 | Tallu | why not use ssh? |
| 18:36.51 | Razva | because I need to control or at least check it via web/my phone |
| 18:37.07 | Tallu | s60 phone? use putty =) |
| 18:37.07 | Razva | Tallu beacuse Putty runs AWFULL under Symbian... |
| 18:37.11 | enouf | dazjorz: exactly -- need to see mine? |
| 18:37.15 | stoned | Razva, if you're going all out with a webmin or whatever, why not consider the suiciden "php shell" as well |
| 18:37.19 | Tallu | it runs just great if you ask me :P |
| 18:37.23 | stoned | Razva, thats web based... |
| 18:37.26 | dvs | dazjorz: That'll work too. |
| 18:37.37 | Razva | stoned hmm...good ideea! |
| 18:38.01 | stoned | Razva, why not take your box and put it in the middle of the highway |
| 18:38.01 | stoned | probably much safer there |
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| 18:38.28 | dazjorz | enouf: ok |
| 18:38.31 | stoned | and don't get me wrong dude, I'm not trying to be a dick to you, I am just trying to save you from future headaches and bullshit |
| 18:38.39 | Tallu | Razva: i'd just stick with putty with the phone.. or if you have a 3g phone have your server act as a vpn server and connect via vpn and only allow access from lan to the webmin |
| 18:38.43 | stoned | but I've said what I had to say, you make the decisino |
| 18:38.49 | stoned | decision* |
| 18:38.53 | beardy | heh, I know I should have stayed out of here alltogether today.. |
| 18:38.55 | dazjorz | btw i'll choose expert26 instead of expert |
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| 18:39.00 | dazjorz | so that i get the newest kernel right away |
| 18:39.10 | beardy | dazjorz: Good luck. |
| 18:39.16 | dvs | dazjorz: that'll only get you 2.6.8 |
| 18:39.19 | dvs | on sarge |
| 18:39.46 | dazjorz | dvs: that's okay |
| 18:39.48 | beardy | dvs: He can install a kernel from etch when he's done can't he? |
| 18:39.49 | dazjorz | brb necs |
| 18:39.56 | dvs | beardy: yup |
| 18:40.29 | Razva | ok, next idiotic question: how can I install a .deb package? |
| 18:40.44 | Razva | because I suppose it's a package especially made for debian, right? |
| 18:40.44 | dvs | Razva: you dont'. use apt-get |
| 18:41.06 | Razva | well I have 3 options: 1. tar 2. rpm 3. deb |
| 18:41.10 | Razva | so wich one I should use?:) |
| 18:41.29 | Razva | because I kinda need to choose one in order to install the program |
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| 18:42.08 | dvs | what program? |
| 18:42.10 | Razva | so what's safer, rpm or deb? |
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| 18:42.28 | Piet | Razva: where is it that you are given that option? |
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| 18:42.56 | Razva | the same program I'm struggeling to install for the uni |
| 18:42.56 | enouf | dazjorz: here ya go http://pastebin.ca/97415 just note: Substitute "testing" in place of "unstable" |
| 18:43.20 | Razva | the same prog that uses the 411 port and it was a heck to make ipt to make a darn portforward |
| 18:43.24 | De_Mon | ravenbird deb i for debian |
| 18:43.25 | ravenbird | wish i knew, De_Mon |
| 18:43.39 | De_Mon | razva dev is for debian |
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| 18:43.51 | enouf | dazjorz: IIRC, the Debian Installer will ask you for your Kernel choice near the very end of he installation |
| 18:43.56 | dazjorz | enouf: i'm using tiscali.nl and surfnet.nl, i prefer tiscali.nl because it's my provider and thus an extremely fast connection |
| 18:43.59 | Piet | deb rather |
| 18:44.04 | dazjorz | enouf: yeah, true |
| 18:44.15 | Razva | Piet ok, how can I install a deb pack? |
| 18:44.47 | dazjorz | Razva: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 18:44.48 | Razva | dpkg, right? |
| 18:44.48 | dpkg | right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says. |
| 18:44.56 | dazjorz | LOL |
| 18:45.15 | Razva | ooook, installing |
| 18:45.19 | Razva | fingers crossed |
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| 18:45.44 | Razva | AMIN BROTHERS! |
| 18:45.45 | Piet | Razva: either by adding the repository the .deb is contained in to your sources.list, then running apt-get update; apt-get install $packagename |
| 18:45.52 | dvs | Ani,? |
| 18:45.55 | Piet | or by using dpkg -i $packagename |
| 18:45.58 | dvs | min? |
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| 18:46.04 | Razva | hallelujah, installed! |
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| 18:46.30 | Piet | or by using dpkg -i $filename rather |
| 18:46.38 | enouf | dazjorz: wishing you well |
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| 18:47.09 | dazjorz | enouf: thanks ;) |
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| 18:47.25 | enouf | Razva: dpkg -i for .deb files -- others can tell you more |
| 18:47.44 | enouf | doh ! late again |
| 18:47.47 | Razva | enouf yes, just read a man. thanks anyways! |
| 18:47.56 | Razva | ooook, finally I can take a walk |
| 18:48.01 | Razva | oh, btw |
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| 18:48.21 | Razva | in order to allow all hosts...comment "allow=" in /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf |
| 18:48.22 | enouf | is taking a little break ;) |
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| 18:50.41 | Razva | before I leave, do you find webmin *unsecure*? |
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| 18:51.58 | veterina1r | Razva: it's spelled "insecure" :) |
| 18:52.34 | shaibn | hi :) i'm trying to migrate from one hdd to another ... I used cp -ax /* /mnt/hdc3 ; and then cp -ax /boot/* /mnt/hdc1 ; but when I load the new hdd on a diff PC, it gets halted on "Installing knfsd" and the PC hangs... anyone has any idea? |
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| 18:54.06 | lontra | why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not ask me about my monitor anymore? |
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| 18:55.26 | lontra | i need to add my refresh rates to xorg.conf but i'm not sure what numbers to add or how to edit it |
| 18:55.37 | lontra | it's an intel 845 that uses the i810 chip |
| 18:56.00 | syntaxx | lontra, did you follow the nvidia install? |
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| 18:56.16 | shaibn | lontra, when it gets to the monitor type, choose simple (that will let you choose the refresh rates and stuff) |
| 18:56.33 | syntaxx | lontra, what i mean the md5sum stuff |
| 18:56.54 | Nopalin | hey, what is the package to install GTK+ >= 2.0.0 |
| 18:57.11 | lontra | it doesn't get to the monitor stuff |
| 18:58.24 | syntaxx | lontra, backup ur xorg.conf then delete it then rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:58.59 | streuner | Nopalin: libgtk2*? |
| 18:59.26 | lontra | ok i'll try it that way |
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| 18:59.49 | streuner | Nopalin: maybe its easier if you ask a concret question... |
| 19:00.02 | streuner | Nopalin: you want compile an app? |
| 19:00.16 | shaibn | and if anyone has any idea about my question... i'd appriciate it :) |
| 19:00.19 | lontra | yup it pooped out again before the monitor stuff |
| 19:00.22 | Nopalin | hmm i only want install GTK+ >= 2.0.0 |
| 19:00.37 | lontra | it's not generating an xorg.conf file |
| 19:00.40 | streuner | Nopalin: most app. just use GTK2.0 |
| 19:00.56 | streuner | Nopalin: so you prolly already use GTK2 |
| 19:00.59 | Nopalin | this is the package libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 19:01.22 | Nopalin | jeje, i want to installa gaim |
| 19:01.24 | streuner | Nopalin: apt-cache search libgtk2 dev |
| 19:01.39 | Nopalin | sorry, my english isnt very well |
| 19:01.53 | streuner | Nopalin: look into apt-cache show gaim |
| 19:01.55 | husky | http://en.fon.com/ |
| 19:02.02 | streuner | Nopalin: there are the depends... |
| 19:02.23 | dazjorz | debian is reinstalled |
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| 19:02.50 | syntaxx | lontra, thats weird |
| 19:02.51 | Nopalin | streuner: ahh really, it shows me all the packaged needed for the app |
| 19:04.20 | streuner | Nopalin: there is an easy way to install it |
| 19:04.46 | streuner | apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 19:04.56 | Nopalin | i dont think so, gaim 2.0 beta3 isnt on repository yet |
| 19:05.44 | streuner | well, the command installs every depends for gaim... |
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| 19:09.28 | dazjorz | errr |
| 19:09.32 | dazjorz | if i want to use etch |
| 19:09.39 | dazjorz | can i just put that as the distribution name? |
| 19:09.42 | dazjorz | such as.. |
| 19:09.53 | dazjorz | deb uri etch main contrib non-free ? |
| 19:10.00 | bertinski2 | Hello all |
| 19:10.55 | dazjorz | i'll use unstable |
| 19:11.36 | dazjorz | Hi bertinski2 |
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| 19:12.09 | Nopalin | streuner, i installed libgtk2.0-dev, but the configure file still tell the same error, checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no, what can i do? |
| 19:12.48 | streuner | Noplain: say to 'configure' where to find that lib |
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| 19:13.10 | Chty | hello all |
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| 19:13.27 | shaibn | i took a 2.6.8-2-386 kernel from a diff PC and when i boot I get "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" .. what should I do? |
| 19:13.27 | Nopalin | ahh, how can i tell it that?, can i do configure --help to view options? |
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| 19:13.39 | Chty | Is vlc on testing ? because I have'nt find it. |
| 19:14.04 | Nopalin | there are a lot of flgas :s |
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| 19:16.38 | odla | anyone had any problems trying to install the tango icon theme from the tango project website? |
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| 19:19.14 | dazjorz | lalalala |
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| 19:20.46 | dazjorz | !etch |
| 19:20.47 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 19:20.50 | dazjorz | fuck |
| 19:20.53 | dazjorz | wait |
| 19:20.55 | dazjorz | etch is testing |
| 19:20.57 | dazjorz | not unstable... |
| 19:21.00 | dazjorz | okay err |
| 19:21.01 | dazjorz | what comes first? |
| 19:21.07 | dazjorz | it goes from testing, to unstable, to stable right? |
| 19:21.11 | odla | stable -> testing -> unstable |
| 19:21.17 | dazjorz | reversed :P |
| 19:21.23 | peterS | dazjorz: packages are first put in unstable, then they move to testing, then testing becomes stable |
| 19:21.26 | dazjorz | unstable -> testing -> stable |
| 19:21.27 | dazjorz | ok |
| 19:21.31 | dazjorz | and how's testing named currently? |
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| 19:21.34 | dazjorz | oh etch |
| 19:21.34 | Chty | !vlc |
| 19:21.34 | dpkg | it has been said that vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 19:21.37 | dazjorz | okay |
| 19:21.56 | Chty | Is vlc on testing ? because I have'nt find it. |
| 19:22.14 | peterS | Chty: no, it's not in testing |
| 19:22.20 | peterS | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 19:22.20 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 19:22.38 | Chty | peterS, thanks guy |
| 19:22.45 | dazjorz | i'm in much trouble |
| 19:23.00 | dazjorz | oh, dist-upgrade saves my as |
| 19:23.01 | dazjorz | ass* |
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| 19:23.23 | userter | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 19:23.24 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 19:23.34 | odla | how do i pull in just a few packages (i.e. f-spot) from unstable while running a mainly testing box? |
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| 19:23.50 | odla | i know i can do it with pinning but someone taught me an easy way that i forgot |
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| 19:26.31 | stoned | thankGOD! |
| 19:26.35 | stoned | no more oklahoma |
| 19:26.39 | stoned | I'm moving to houston |
| 19:26.44 | stoned | in about a month |
| 19:26.52 | stoned | man I can' wait |
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| 19:27.29 | odla | i think i've got some issues with my theme manager in gnome...i can't drag a theme into |
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| 19:27.36 | odla | it complains about bzip2 not being installed but it is |
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| 19:29.17 | IceTox | Hello. A friend of mine has played a little too much with his first debian install ever, and when trying to su to root, I'm getting a message that the shell is missing or something. I've pasted the message into this Url -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18711 - Can anyone please try to help me with ideas of what can be missing? |
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| 19:30.47 | stoned | you don't need to type su - root |
| 19:30.49 | stoned | su is enough |
| 19:31.08 | stoned | with - you're passing arguments to su and of course those are fucked |
| 19:31.15 | stoned | sicne youre putting a space and then root after it |
| 19:31.23 | stoned | IceTox, ^^ |
| 19:31.47 | stoned | IceTox, also the shells are specified in /etc/passwd |
| 19:31.52 | IceTox | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/etc |
| 19:32.01 | veterina1r | rotfl |
| 19:32.02 | stoned | change to /bin/bash or /bin/sh |
| 19:32.04 | zinx | - tells su to act like a login shell |
| 19:32.05 | IceTox | stoned friend ey? what ya smoking? :P |
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| 19:32.11 | zinx | it has nothing to do with arguments |
| 19:32.24 | stoned | oh you're right |
| 19:32.27 | stoned | sorry |
| 19:32.29 | zinx | 'su' is not the same as 'su -', but 'su - root' is the same as 'su -' |
| 19:32.34 | stoned | I actually did get high today |
| 19:32.37 | IceTox | yeah |
| 19:32.43 | IceTox | AhrAsyL2, good for you my friend :-) |
| 19:33.43 | Dunedan | Does anybody know if there known bugs in the Debian sarge version of proftp? Bugs with those somebody could get access to the MysqlDB (where the passwords for proftp are stored) or something similar? |
| 19:34.55 | stoned | Dunedan, check the debian bts |
| 19:34.58 | odla | what's this error message mean? http://pastebin.ca/97463 |
| 19:35.12 | Dunedan | stoned: nothing in there |
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| 19:36.20 | stoned | odla, install libxml-perl |
| 19:36.34 | veterina1r | Dunedan: check for proftpd-mysql, too |
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| 19:36.42 | stoned | odla, it provides XML::Parser |
| 19:36.44 | Dunedan | veterina1r: ah, thx |
| 19:36.55 | odla | stoned: thanks |
| 19:36.59 | stoned | sure |
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| 19:37.32 | dazjorz | how do I rerun debians' base config? |
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| 19:37.44 | stoned | dazjorz, dpkg-reconfigure baseconfig |
| 19:37.46 | stoned | I think |
| 19:37.53 | Dunedan | also nothing there :-( |
| 19:37.56 | stoned | baseconfig is depracated in etch isn't it? |
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| 19:38.05 | dazjorz | stoned: baseconfig isn't installed |
| 19:38.07 | stoned | or might be baseconfig-config |
| 19:38.08 | stoned | I dunno |
| 19:38.10 | dazjorz | stoned: not using etch |
| 19:38.10 | odla | now i get this ... configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 19:38.15 | dazjorz | i'm using testing |
| 19:38.16 | odla | i'm guess i need to install gcc? |
| 19:38.19 | dazjorz | oh wait |
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| 19:38.21 | dazjorz | that _is_ etch |
| 19:38.22 | dazjorz | lol |
| 19:38.23 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:38.39 | stoned | !b-e oddi |
| 19:38.40 | dpkg | oddi: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 19:38.41 | stoned | oops |
| 19:38.45 | stoned | !b-e odla |
| 19:38.46 | dpkg | odla: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 19:38.56 | odla | :) |
| 19:38.57 | odla | thanks |
| 19:39.48 | koneko | whoops i seem to have lost /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, what's the magic defoma command to recreate it? |
| 19:40.33 | veterina1r | koneko: it's two commands, on to make hints file from list of font files and one to read hints file into database |
| 19:40.49 | veterina1r | koneko: do you have a list of .ttf files? |
| 19:40.57 | veterina1r | koneko: with full pathname |
| 19:41.18 | dazjorz | somebody |
| 19:41.24 | dazjorz | i need to rerun base config |
| 19:41.26 | dazjorz | how ? |
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| 19:42.18 | veterina1r | koneko: find / -iname '*.tff' > ttflist # will do ;-) |
| 19:42.42 | veterina1r | koneko: (if you correct my silly typos, that is) |
| 19:43.06 | koneko | veterina1r: some are in /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
| 19:43.19 | dazjorz | anyone? |
| 19:43.22 | veterina1r | koneko: that does not answer my question =:) |
| 19:43.22 | dazjorz | beardy ? |
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| 19:44.33 | dazjorz | oh shit gotta go |
| 19:44.33 | dazjorz | cya |
| 19:44.41 | koneko | veterina1r: and i see the hint file in /etc/defoma/hints/ttf-bitstream-vera.hints |
| 19:45.10 | veterina1r | koneko: anyhow: defoma-hints --no-question ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/*.ttf > ttf.hints && defoma-font register-all ttf.hints |
| 19:45.23 | veterina1r | koneko: try that =:) |
| 19:45.38 | koneko | veterina1r: thanks |
| 19:45.55 | veterina1r | koneko: if that actually works, I rawk |
| 19:46.04 | veterina1r | koneko: ;-) |
| 19:46.06 | odla | http://pastebin.ca/97477 new error...i've install the naming util that it mentions via apt-get |
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| 19:46.40 | veterina1r | koneko: (oh, and you have to be root) |
| 19:46.50 | koneko | veterina1r: yeah i figured |
| 19:48.52 | xabo | what can i do so it`s not possible to login with root? SSHD |
| 19:49.37 | glut | xabo: man sshd_config, PermitRootLogin |
| 19:49.44 | xabo | is it more commands? |
| 19:49.52 | xabo | like.. ch somthingthing |
| 19:50.02 | glut | xabo: set it as desired, restart sshd and you're done |
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| 19:50.47 | xabo | hm.. |
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| 19:57.40 | odla | i'm trying to install the tango icon theme but it's complaining about imagemagick, which i have installed. do i need some devel version of it? |
| 19:58.20 | godless | sorry for asking here, I have this OLD graphicstablet (Wintime WP-504) and was wondering on how to get it to work, I only found windows drivers (no windows here) when looking for information, and the howto's seem to be out of date, or I'm doing something wrong. catting from /dev/ttyS0 gives a response when using the tablet |
| 19:58.22 | veterina1r | odla: "it is complaining" is not a qualified error description .) |
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| 19:58.50 | odla | well it says imagemagick not installer |
| 19:58.52 | odla | d |
| 19:59.06 | veterina1r | odla: it's wrong. file a bugreport :) |
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| 20:00.42 | j2 | Hello! I am trying to find a util that will let me grab audio (per chapter) from a DVD -> MP3 or OGG. I've been looking high and low, and must be missing something basic? |
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| 20:03.27 | koneko | veterina1r: the problem was I was missing x-ttcidfont-conf package |
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| 20:03.37 | veterina1r | koneko: ok :) |
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| 20:10.36 | Zap-W | u pyours |
| 20:10.41 | Zap-W | oops wrong channel |
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| 20:13.08 | sussudio | %do Zap-W |
| 20:13.50 | Shadowcat | great, more useless bots |
| 20:13.55 | Shadowcat | !whack sussudio |
| 20:14.06 | dabreegster | #debian needs a megahal, like #perl's gumb |
| 20:14.09 | Zap-W | !bananas |
| 20:14.09 | dpkg | bananas is, like, B---------A-----------N-----------A---------N----------A-------S-!!!! |
| 20:14.09 | dabreegster | #debian needs a megahal, like #perl's GumbyBRAIN |
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| 20:14.31 | dabreegster | Ack, that was weird. |
| 20:14.35 | Zap-W | lol |
| 20:14.43 | odla | anyone know what gnome's deskbar-applet is called in apt? |
| 20:14.43 | Shadowcat | speaking of |
| 20:14.46 | peterS | dabreegster: the _last_ thing #debian needs is anything remotely like gumbybrain |
| 20:15.02 | Shadowcat | peterS: actually we need to clean up the botsphere around here |
| 20:15.06 | Shadowcat | there are way too many lurkers here |
| 20:15.12 | Zap-W | efnet forever , the motherland |
| 20:15.19 | Shadowcat | !beat Piggy |
| 20:15.21 | dabreegster | peterS: But there would be some great quotes for the topic! <GumbyBRAIN> I'm trying to get sex. |
| 20:15.31 | odla | nevermind in it's unstable |
| 20:15.38 | peterS | dabreegster: could you try and stop being a moron for a bit? thanks. |
| 20:15.41 | Zap-W | brb , promise |
| 20:15.46 | peterS | Shadowcat: Phated made a start at cleaning up old useless factoids from dpkg's database. I don't know if she got very far. |
| 20:15.47 | dabreegster | peterS: Sorry. |
| 20:16.16 | Shadowcat | !stats |
| 20:16.17 | dpkg | Since Fri Jul 14 03:00:02 2006, there have been 41 modifications, 1881 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 525 commands. I have been awake for 9d 17h 16m 14s this session, and currently reference 36814 factoids. I'm using about 15432 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1008.01/71.42 child 0/0.01 |
| 20:16.26 | stew | !peterssmite peterS |
| 20:16.27 | odla | how can i install packages from unstable if i'm running testing? i'd like to keep all packages to be testing by default |
| 20:16.30 | Shadowcat | peterS: I SERIOUSLY doubt it |
| 20:16.35 | odla | i know that i could use pinning but i know there is another way |
| 20:16.37 | odla | too |
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| 20:16.43 | stew | dang, there really is one that talks about useless factoids, but it never seems to hit |
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| 20:19.16 | stoned | IceTox, don't msg me |
| 20:19.25 | Zap-W | \msg nickserv identify supermanrules |
| 20:19.28 | Zap-W | errrrrrrrr |
| 20:19.29 | IceTox | sorry stoned. Wrong guy :-) |
| 20:19.33 | peterS | hahaha |
| 20:19.41 | Vasistha | Zap-W: time to change your password... |
| 20:19.42 | stoned | I said fuck Dell |
| 20:19.45 | stoned | I'm smoking a blunt |
| 20:19.55 | Shadowcat | hahaha |
| 20:20.07 | Vasistha | Zap-W: I did that in here once :P |
| 20:20.24 | Shadowcat | and that's why we all have free shells on Vasistha's box now |
| 20:20.31 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 20:20.33 | peterS | someone ghost him to teach him a lesson |
| 20:20.36 | Zap-W | heh , i did tha ton purpose |
| 20:20.37 | stoned | its not because I want to get high, its because of tons of family shit going on, and I have to move to houston, break my apt. lease here, sell my shit, get my car checked, and move there... |
| 20:20.38 | veterina1r | :) that's good |
| 20:20.45 | dabreegster | It's the wrong password. |
| 20:20.48 | stoned | about goddamn time, no more fucking redneckville oklahoma |
| 20:20.50 | Vasistha | Shadowcat: too bad my connection sucks, and I'm not actually running sshd... |
| 20:20.58 | stoned | i'll see ya'll later man, I got shit to do |
| 20:21.01 | Vasistha | Shadowcat: or at least, ps doesn't show sshd! XD |
| 20:21.02 | stoned | not like anyone gives a shit anway |
| 20:21.05 | Shadowcat | Vasistha: yes you are |
| 20:21.05 | veterina1r | stoned: bye |
| 20:21.06 | Zap-W | :) |
| 20:21.08 | Zap-W | fooled ya |
| 20:21.12 | Shadowcat | Vasistha: one word, root kit |
| 20:21.15 | Shadowcat | well... ok two words |
| 20:21.25 | Vasistha | Shadowcat: no, 'rootkit' |
| 20:21.27 | AciD | what the h*ll do you need to get sounds already ? I got alsa-base and xmms nor amarok can't manage to outtput any sounds..BUT the kde sound system is working, odd. |
| 20:21.56 | stoned | you h ave to select arts output module in xmms |
| 20:22.02 | stoned | afaik |
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| 20:22.22 | stew | AciD: "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" if that works add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules |
| 20:22.38 | stoned | and for amarok, use xine. I'd rather kill the arts sound system, configure dmix if you're on sarge, and do what stew said |
| 20:22.43 | Zap-W | does anyone know if "smart boot manager" can load cd .iso files from the HD? |
| 20:23.04 | stoned | Zap-W, mounting iso files is a kernel task, not a bootloader task |
| 20:23.12 | stoned | Zap-W, there is no bootloader able to mount iso files |
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| 20:23.28 | stoned | in my knowledge at least |
| 20:23.29 | odla | ah apt.conf |
| 20:23.32 | odla | of course :) |
| 20:23.34 | stoned | which again, is VERY limited ;) |
| 20:23.50 | AciD | stew > it doesn't change anything |
| 20:24.07 | stew | AciD: is your user in the audio group? |
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| 20:24.15 | AciD | stoned > I already configured dmix |
| 20:24.42 | AciD | stew > that's a good question, I just reinstalled a new fresh system but still got my old /home dir |
| 20:24.58 | stew | AciD: "adduser username audio", logout and back in, and try again |
| 20:25.01 | AciD | yep, I'm in audio (thx etch) |
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| 20:25.13 | AciD | I'm in already |
| 20:26.10 | stoned | *gone* |
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| 20:26.50 | AciD | do you need special libs for being able to read mp3 or ogg ? (got libogg0 only) |
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| 20:27.48 | dabreegster | AciD: libmad0 seems to be necessary for mpg321, so maybe that. |
| 20:28.06 | AciD | got it already |
| 20:28.44 | AciD | what's really odd is that it's working for kde, but not for amarok, juk, xmms, mplayer, etc. |
| 20:28.48 | stew | AciD: are you sure dmix is working, perhaps arts has the soundcard so nothing else can use it |
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| 20:29.10 | AciD | yeah, I'll check kde config |
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| 20:31.02 | killown | debian has support debian for russian users? |
| 20:31.19 | Ronin | !ru |
| 20:31.20 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 20:31.22 | peterS | killown: certainly |
| 20:31.32 | killown | ok thanks |
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| 20:31.54 | AciD | not working, even without arts running |
| 20:31.56 | AciD | :( |
| 20:32.18 | xsdg | Ronin: how r u doing? *g* |
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| 20:32.55 | Shadowcat | sigh |
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| 20:33.12 | xsdg | Shadowcat: was a joke :o) |
| 20:33.25 | Shadowcat | !beat xsdg |
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| 20:33.58 | Shadowcat | wipe that smirk off your face, or I'll make you run WinME |
| 20:34.22 | h7-25 | hello - i know its not the 100% apropriate channel to ask this but after a dist-upgrade (woody->sarge) my slapd refuses to work - can anyone help me please (openldap has no irc channel :-( |
| 20:34.50 | xsdg | h7-25: what does "Refuses to work" mean? is there anything useful in the logfiles? |
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| 20:36.27 | h7-25 | xsdg: well the only "error" i get is <= bdb_dn2id: get failed: DB_NOTFOUND: No matching key/data pair found (-30990) |
| 20:36.48 | h7-25 | well slap is running but i cannot access the db with e.g. gq or ldapbrowser |
| 20:37.18 | h7-25 | s/slap/slapd/ |
| 20:38.59 | xsdg | h7-25: maybe try googling the error and "slapd" or something? I'm not sure |
| 20:39.19 | h7-25 | xsdg: did that already - i found a hint on permissions but thats not it |
| 20:40.16 | xsdg | h7-25: sorry, then; don't think I can help :o/ |
| 20:41.47 | lontra | how do i change the colors of my window borders? |
| 20:42.16 | Shadowcat | I guess the logical thing would be to read the OpenLDAP manual @ h7-25 |
| 20:42.56 | Shadowcat | lontra: uhh |
| 20:42.58 | Shadowcat | in gnome or KDE? |
| 20:43.01 | lontra | gnome |
| 20:43.17 | lontra | i'd like to change it from blue to a green |
| 20:43.28 | Shadowcat | change the theme |
| 20:43.43 | lontra | but that keeps the color still just a shade of blue |
| 20:43.45 | h7-25 | Shadowcat: the only manual that i dont understand less than the openldap is cups |
| 20:44.10 | husky | http://en.fon.com/ |
| 20:44.43 | Shadowcat | h7-25: then you should try understanding the theory of relativity :P |
| 20:44.46 | Shadowcat | and if you do, tutor me :P |
| 20:45.03 | peterS | Shadowcat: general or special? |
| 20:45.10 | h7-25 | Schadowcat: relativity is peanuts against the openldap manual |
| 20:45.20 | Zap-W | hey , what's NIS replacement |
| 20:45.29 | h7-25 | peterS: of course general special is to lame ;-) |
| 20:45.40 | Zap-W | if it's unsecure why still use it |
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| 20:52.26 | aphexer | I get the message "Package libgdal1-1.3.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package." How can I see what package is referring to it? |
| 20:52.50 | Shadowcat | apt-rdepends I think |
| 20:52.54 | Shadowcat | or something along those lines |
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| 20:55.28 | aphexer | Shadowcat: that shows some packages in the form libgdal1-1.3.1 depends on x,y,z..., but I don't understand why I get that error then... |
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| 20:56.35 | Shadowcat | aphexer: hmm ok not what you want |
| 20:56.57 | Shadowcat | you need to find the package that has libgdal1-1.3.1 as a dependency |
| 20:56.59 | Shadowcat | try aptitude |
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| 21:06.51 | AciD | odd enough, when I try to play a 1hour long mp3 in xmms, it "play" it with no sound and very, very quicly (I can only see the audiolevels moves) |
| 21:06.53 | displaced | the line is apt-get depends |
| 21:07.13 | displaced | actually apt-get build-dep |
| 21:07.18 | displaced | should do what you are trying to do |
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| 21:08.20 | displaced | AciD does it play mp3s normally? |
| 21:08.22 | streuner | AciD: change that in preferences |
| 21:08.40 | streuner | AciD: you have prolly 'diskwriter' enabled... |
| 21:08.50 | streuner | as output-plugin |
| 21:08.50 | AciD | displaced > no |
| 21:09.02 | displaced | have you set up alsa? |
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| 21:09.09 | AciD | yep |
| 21:09.19 | displaced | what sound card? |
| 21:09.31 | AciD | the kde sound system works, xine works, but neither amarok, juk, or xmms |
| 21:09.44 | AciD | I configured all with dmix |
| 21:09.44 | displaced | hmmm |
| 21:09.50 | streuner | oh, disable ARTS then :-) |
| 21:10.00 | streuner | oh |
| 21:10.13 | AciD | (fresh system install, 4 days old /home/dir) |
| 21:10.39 | displaced | do you get sound in gnome? |
| 21:10.55 | AciD | dunno, I prefer not touch that :) |
| 21:11.02 | displaced | lol, k |
| 21:11.03 | userter | Hi! I have a promise ex8350 raid card with 3 harddrives, and i have a driver for it, which works fine with knoppix, but how can i install debian on it? I cannot compile it with the debian install cd, cuz there is no gcc, but if i compile it with knoppix, i got this error: insmod: error inserting 'shasta.ko': -1 Invalid module format. Maybe my gcc version is bad for it with a compiled the driver? |
| 21:11.55 | startxwhite | i run gnu/linux debian sarge stock kernel 2.6.8-3 and installed the madwifi drivers using subversion. My laptop wifi card is airlink awlc4030 (ar5212) and my system either freezes less than 1 minute after getting a wifi connection or i lose my internet connection seconds after getting an ip address. |
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| 21:12.08 | Shadowcat | startxwhite: try etch |
| 21:12.21 | Shadowcat | it might pick up the card without the need for another compile |
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| 21:12.34 | streuner | userter: did you try /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16? |
| 21:12.37 | startxwhite | localhost kernel: wifi0: ath_reset: unable to reset hardware: '' (HAL status 0) is the error i see in /var/log/messages |
| 21:12.48 | streuner | userter: /msg dpkg di as well |
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| 21:13.48 | startxwhite | Shadowcat: i had very bad experiences with etch and sid on my laptop. sarge is stable,reliable except for this madwifi business |
| 21:14.03 | Shadowcat | I run sid on my laptop |
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| 21:15.35 | startxwhite | you are you. your laptop is different from mine. |
| 21:15.52 | Shadowcat | this doesn't happen to be a sony does it? |
| 21:15.53 | startxwhite | not all laptops are equal, you know |
| 21:16.00 | startxwhite | no |
| 21:16.01 | userter | streuner: I tried !sarge 2.6.15. Is there any difference? |
| 21:17.45 | startxwhite | it is a p266 siemens mobile 350 |
| 21:18.39 | userter | streuner: so i use what i can find on kmuto.jp, but with 2.6.15 kernel. |
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| 21:19.34 | nytr8 | 򀦂򘂒򀦂䂘򒒉𨤈񂂘񂂘™򑤹 |
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| 21:20.36 | nytr8 | theres an xploit for xchat windows please upgrade |
| 21:20.52 | nytr8 | the above text makes you disconnect. |
| 21:21.08 | centrx | then don't post it |
| 21:21.09 | centrx | heh |
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| 21:24.37 | PhUrl | hi all |
| 21:24.39 | PhUrl | can someone please check mail.yahoo.de if it is online? |
| 21:24.47 | PhUrl | 217.12.6.29 |
| 21:25.31 | syntaxx | how can i unpack .rar? |
| 21:26.12 | zzz | syntaxx: with unrar |
| 21:26.20 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 21:26.21 | PhUrl | there is some unrar tool |
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| 21:27.55 | zzz | syntaxx: just You need contrib into sources.list to install it if i remember well (if not, then non-free). |
| 21:28.11 | syntaxx | zzz, thanks i already have it ^^ |
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| 21:39.40 | Lollo | hallo people |
| 21:39.58 | Lollo | little question |
| 21:40.12 | ironfroggy | has anyone here configured autofs? im having some trouble understanding the configure files. |
| 21:40.22 | ironfroggy | particularly that there are more than one of them, |
| 21:40.28 | startxwhite | Lollo: kannst Du mir helfen? |
| 21:40.39 | Lollo | Kann man probieren |
| 21:40.51 | startxwhite | na ja |
| 21:40.56 | Lollo | besser Deutsch als englisch |
| 21:41.05 | startxwhite | sicher! |
| 21:41.10 | k-google | Lollo: Geh noch /debian-de bitte! |
| 21:41.11 | Lollo | noch besser italliano aber |
| 21:41.28 | k-google | Lollo: Oder /debian-it velleicht. |
| 21:41.28 | Lollo | ok e little |
| 21:41.30 | Lollo | question |
| 21:41.32 | startxwhite | io non parlo italiano |
| 21:41.43 | k-google | Um. #debiain-de |
| 21:41.48 | k-google | Feh. |
| 21:41.51 | nosklo | !de |
| 21:41.52 | dpkg | i guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 21:41.55 | nosklo | !it |
| 21:41.55 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 21:41.57 | Lollo | i have problem with more then 5000 simultan connection |
| 21:42.00 | startxwhite | ok. sorry guys! |
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| 21:42.10 | Lollo | have idea.? |
| 21:42.41 | nosklo | Lollo, connection to which service? |
| 21:42.48 | k-google | Lollo: What's your max process setting? |
| 21:42.57 | Lollo | I have running |
| 21:43.00 | Lollo | a verlihub |
| 21:43.13 | k-google | and/or max open files. Each connection == socket == file. |
| 21:43.23 | Lollo | setted |
| 21:43.35 | Lollo | ulimit -n 10000 |
| 21:43.41 | jnjb | Lollo che problema |
| 21:43.55 | Lollo | sei nel canale ita |
| 21:44.00 | Lollo | ? |
| 21:44.09 | jnjb | no |
| 21:44.27 | Lollo | vabbe se non mi sparano chiede lo stesso |
| 21:44.32 | jnjb | ma io lo parlo un poco |
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| 21:44.33 | Lollo | so giorni che mi ammazzo |
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| 21:44.43 | Lollo | ma non risolvo |
| 21:44.54 | Lollo | non riesco a superare le 5000 connessioni |
| 21:45.08 | Lollo | simultanne |
| 21:45.27 | jnjb | io non puo ti aiutare! |
| 21:45.50 | Lollo | grazie cmq ;) |
| 21:46.03 | jnjb | va ai canale #debian-it |
| 21:46.10 | jnjb | prego |
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| 21:47.39 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know how to mount a DVD ISO? |
| 21:48.08 | war95 | same as an iso |
| 21:48.13 | war95 | mount -o loop *iso /mnt |
| 21:48.29 | Led_Zeppelin | war95: even if its a DVD.iso? |
| 21:48.35 | Led_Zeppelin | i have a Debian DVD iSo |
| 21:48.44 | war95 | correct |
| 21:48.49 | war95 | even if it the same |
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| 21:50.19 | Led_Zeppelin | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
| 21:50.22 | Led_Zeppelin | i keep getting that error. |
| 21:50.31 | war95 | Led_Zeppelin: works for me |
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| 21:50.38 | war95 | Led_Zeppelin: you need to make sure you have loop device support in the kernel |
| 21:50.43 | Led_Zeppelin | war95: what is the **exact** command you running? |
| 21:50.44 | war95 | Led_Zeppelin: make sure the md5sum is the same |
| 21:50.49 | war95 | Led_Zeppelin: and make sure UDF is compiled in too |
| 21:50.59 | war95 | Led_Zeppelin: mount -o loop dvd1.iso /mnt |
| 21:51.59 | mikep | Led: mount -t iso9660 dvd1.iso /mnt -o loop |
| 21:52.32 | war95 | kernel should auto-detect mikep |
| 21:52.38 | JohnRobert | lol, good nick Led_Zeppelin :p |
| 21:52.38 | Led_Zeppelin | war95: yep, you are right. The Md5 is wrong!! thanks! |
| 21:52.46 | Led_Zeppelin | JohnRobert: thx :-p |
| 21:53.04 | mikep | not on my Debian it doesnt for some reason, that's the way I mount images all the time |
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| 21:53.22 | mikep | although, you are right, it should auto detect the fs type |
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| 21:54.06 | war95 | Led_Zeppelin: np. |
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| 21:55.34 | ShereKhan | Anybody here got FreeNX working with Debian? I have installed it on a Sarge computer. When I try to connect to it from a Windows client I seem to get logged in and everything, but then the client just dies. |
| 21:55.51 | ShereKhan | Same client works fine against FreeNX on a CentOS box |
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| 22:01.42 | odat | hi everyone |
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| 22:06.09 | vinvin | hi |
| 22:06.23 | AndrewB | hey all, I just got an old mac, g3, I am wanting debian on it. But the cd drive dont work. Is there a floppy boot disk of sorts that could help me. |
| 22:06.30 | vinvin | i've a processus in a stopped state staying in the kernel, i can't kill it, and i have 5.0 loadavg, and i think this is related. top says cpu is idle, while xosview says it's on full load, and very often in the kernel. What can i do ? |
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| 22:13.22 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with unstable + kde: clicking with the right button makes kdesktop freezes |
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| 22:17.56 | ktwilight | file a bug? |
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| 22:18.09 | Ronin | they even accept them for sid? |
| 22:18.33 | ktwilight | they don't? |
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| 22:18.46 | Ronin | ktwilight: dont know hence my asking the question :) |
| 22:18.54 | ktwilight | i'm quite sure they do |
| 22:19.03 | ktwilight | they need bug reports to help 'em develop, i would think. |
| 22:19.11 | ktwilight | abrotman should know :) |
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| 22:19.15 | abrotman | i will? |
| 22:19.24 | ktwilight | abrotman, is it possible to file a bug for sid packages? |
| 22:19.42 | abrotman | uh .. yes |
| 22:19.46 | ktwilight | *phew* |
| 22:20.14 | ktwilight | Mazingaro had a problem with sid, so i told him to check with bug list or file one. |
| 22:20.32 | ktwilight | and Ronin just asked whether developers/maintainers accept bug reports for sid |
| 22:20.34 | ktwilight | hence the question :) |
| 22:20.42 | abrotman | Ronin: you asked what? |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | Ronin: have you been at the XXX again? |
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| 22:21.59 | ktwilight | ... |
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| 22:26.31 | cat_ | hey how come i cannot play dvds on my laptop |
| 22:27.04 | cat_ | when i try playing dvds on mpayer i get this error failed to open dvd://1 |
| 22:27.30 | abrotman | ask #mplayer |
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| 22:36.25 | lamp__ | I have a problem with using the nvidia driver i installed nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-2-686-smp but still the nvidia driver does not work, |
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| 22:38.55 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:38.55 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 22:39.49 | darknessofevil | im just curious... one thing ive noticed with debian vs other distros is that |
| 22:40.04 | darknessofevil | the packages are soo freaking old in the stable branch |
| 22:40.09 | darknessofevil | esp. php5 |
| 22:40.18 | abrotman | then you don't understand how debian or debian/stable works |
| 22:41.27 | unstable | darknessofevil: yes; you do not understand how debian works. Or how a stable system is supposed to work for that matter. |
| 22:41.31 | darknessofevil | php5 is not stable enough? |
| 22:41.41 | abrotman | not when sarge was released it wasn;t |
| 22:42.03 | darknessofevil | ah, but should it move to stable when it gets there...? |
| 22:42.17 | abrotman | tha'ts not how debian works ... |
| 22:42.20 | unstable | dark_light: no |
| 22:42.40 | unstable | dark_light: When stable is released...no new software goes into it.(except security updates) |
| 22:42.54 | abrotman | or RC bug fixes |
| 22:43.02 | unstable | darknessofevil: When testing is released(and become stable) is when you'll get new software. |
| 22:43.06 | mb | or backport |
| 22:43.21 | darknessofevil | i see, well im installing php5/mysql5 packages from dotdeb |
| 22:43.27 | abrotman | mb: backports aren't official |
| 22:43.32 | darknessofevil | as this is my web dev server ;-) |
| 22:43.38 | abrotman | don't use dotdeb |
| 22:43.52 | mb | yes, but very usefull for just some packages |
| 22:43.55 | darknessofevil | why? i saw the recommendations on the debian wiki |
| 22:43.59 | abrotman | use backports.org |
| 22:43.59 | darknessofevil | + other sites |
| 22:44.33 | mb | http://www.backports.org/ |
| 22:44.38 | mb | explains all |
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| 22:51.00 | cecitto | hello guys |
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| 22:51.33 | cecitto | I have a question |
| 22:51.41 | abrotman | so ask already |
| 22:51.54 | biopyte | hi. "links2 -driver fb" gives me "Cannot open /dev/fb0". could someone give me a hint how to proceed, please? |
| 22:51.55 | cecitto | I don't succeed |
| 22:52.12 | cecitto | in having more then 5000 users |
| 22:52.25 | cecitto | in the same time with a programme |
| 22:52.29 | cecitto | a software |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | what? |
| 22:52.52 | abrotman | biopyte: load the framebuffer driver? |
| 22:52.55 | cecitto | do you think is a socket problem/ |
| 22:53.13 | biopyte | abrotman: is it a kernel module? |
| 22:53.17 | abrotman | i believe so |
| 22:53.22 | abrotman | cecitto: WHICH program? |
| 22:53.24 | beardy | cecitto: american? |
| 22:53.29 | robin_sz | cecitto, is each user opening a tcp connection? |
| 22:53.39 | cecitto | do you know the verli? |
| 22:53.49 | cecitto | yes |
| 22:53.58 | cecitto | I'am an italian - american |
| 22:54.12 | abrotman | is your italian better than your english? |
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| 22:54.25 | abrotman | wtf is verli? |
| 22:54.30 | cecitto | is the same |
| 22:54.32 | cecitto | why? |
| 22:54.37 | biopyte | abrotman: thanks. |
| 22:54.44 | cecitto | do don't understand me? |
| 22:55.32 | cecitto | don't you understand me? |
| 22:55.47 | beardy | cecitto: No, we don't, but perhaps you just have to describe your problem better.. |
| 22:55.56 | cecitto | ok |
| 22:56.00 | cecitto | thank you |
| 22:56.02 | robin_sz | anyway, never heard of a program called "verli" ... debian should handle 5000 simultaeneous tcp connections OK, so its probably the program thats badly written |
| 22:56.03 | cecitto | so |
| 22:56.23 | cecitto | verli is a soft |
| 22:56.28 | robin_sz | url? |
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| 22:56.33 | cecitto | for the hubs |
| 22:56.53 | Nopalin | hi, someone has installed gaim 2.0 beta 3? |
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| 22:57.04 | beardy | Nopalin: Yes or no. |
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| 22:57.15 | darknessofevil | anyone know where i can find a backport/package of phpmyadmin for the php5 platform? |
| 22:57.15 | Ronin | or both |
| 22:57.18 | Nopalin | yes |
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| 22:57.21 | Rawplayer | what causes a proces to defunct a lot? |
| 22:57.28 | abrotman | bad hardware? |
| 22:57.42 | Rawplayer | the parent of the proces is only the init proces |
| 22:57.44 | robin_sz | cecitto, are you using Ubuntu? |
| 22:57.47 | Rawplayer | i tested the hardware |
| 22:58.05 | abrotman | wtf is verli? |
| 22:58.09 | beardy | Rawplayer: A process of what? |
| 22:58.15 | Rawplayer | sendmail |
| 22:58.17 | Rawplayer | imap |
| 22:58.20 | Rawplayer | centericq |
| 22:58.22 | SeanTater_ | cecitto: try describing the entire idea in one long sentence |
| 22:58.22 | Rawplayer | more stuff |
| 22:58.27 | darknessofevil | grr... backports doesn't have the package |
| 22:58.34 | Nopalin | someone has insllated gaim 2.0 beta 3? i need know how i can disable personalizad emoticons |
| 22:58.43 | Rawplayer | http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=65605 |
| 22:58.46 | Rawplayer | check that |
| 22:58.47 | abrotman | dark_light: apt-get.org |
| 22:58.53 | abrotman | Nopalin: ask #gaim |
| 22:59.00 | Nopalin | thaks |
| 22:59.00 | beardy | Nopalin: If it isn't id Debian, ask #gaim instead. |
| 22:59.03 | Nopalin | thanks |
| 22:59.09 | Nopalin | abrotman is a bot? |
| 22:59.13 | abrotman | cecitto: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:59.17 | abrotman | Nopalin: i'm squishier |
| 22:59.46 | robin_sz | abrotman, http://www.freshports.org/net/verlihub/ |
| 22:59.50 | cecitto | Ok |
| 22:59.57 | abrotman | robin_sz: i see now |
| 23:00.00 | Nopalin | abrotman: whats squishier? |
| 23:00.06 | cecitto | I'll try to be more specific |
| 23:00.11 | abrotman | Nopalin: ask #gaim |
| 23:00.24 | robin_sz | abrotman, well, I still don'y know what it actually DOES .. but hey, I found it |
| 23:00.59 | abrotman | regardless .. it's not in debian |
| 23:01.15 | robin_sz | quite |
| 23:01.16 | Nopalin | abrotman, i asked if you arw a bot, because ever i come here, you are here ^^!! |
| 23:01.20 | abrotman | robin_sz: looks like a chat server of some sort |
| 23:01.21 | cecitto | which is the procedure to set up the socket so that it accepts more then 5000 connections in the same time? |
| 23:01.22 | beardy | abrotman, smite Nopalin with a fish |
| 23:01.29 | biopyte | abrotman: could you give me a hint how to install the framebuffer driver? "apt-cache search framebuffer" or "modprobe fb" dont really help. |
| 23:01.39 | abrotman | !fish Nopalin |
| 23:01.45 | robin_sz | abrotman, it seems to be some sort of proxy for a bazillion file sharing streams |
| 23:01.51 | Nopalin | lol |
| 23:02.05 | lurker99 | !beer abrotman |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:02.12 | beardy | Nopalin: Intelligent, isn't he? |
| 23:02.17 | abrotman | robin_sz: still not in debian! |
| 23:02.22 | robin_sz | noted |
| 23:02.46 | cecitto | sorry to bother, could you help me guys? |
| 23:02.46 | abrotman | biopyte: try modconf .. it should give you a better name |
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| 23:02.46 | Nopalin | of course, he only help me |
| 23:02.46 | abrotman | cecitto: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 23:02.46 | SeanTater | cecitto: we are trying |
| 23:02.54 | cecitto | ok |
| 23:02.57 | cecitto | thank you |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | biopyte: might be named vesafb |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | cecitto: are you IRCing from the linux box? |
| 23:03.27 | robin_sz | cecitto, debian can handle 5000 tcp connections .. the verli software apparently has problems under heavy loads .. buy mire CPUs and memory, and/or bug the authors |
| 23:03.34 | cecitto | no |
| 23:03.47 | biopyte | abrotman: ok, thx. |
| 23:03.48 | SeanTater | robin_sz: I;m not even sure it deals with the network |
| 23:03.52 | cecitto | ok |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | cecitto: show us the output of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 23:04.04 | cecitto | but how could I set up the socket? |
| 23:04.16 | cecitto | does anybody know? |
| 23:04.16 | beardy | cecitto: Just do it. |
| 23:04.28 | beardy | cecitto: what abrotman told you |
| 23:04.28 | cecitto | how? |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | cecitto: show us the output of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | cecitto: show us the output of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 23:04.48 | abrotman | DO THAT! |
| 23:04.52 | cecitto | ok |
| 23:04.57 | cecitto | one sec |
| 23:05.04 | cecitto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.04 | cecitto | <abrotman> cecitto: show us the output of `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 23:05.21 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
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| 23:05.46 | robin_sz | and today I came out without my troll hammer |
| 23:06.08 | beardy | robin_sz: came out from where? |
| 23:06.10 | SeanTater | I read through google, nothing I see is any more specific that "verli hub" |
| 23:06.29 | robin_sz | beardy, they only let me out on weekends, if I behave :) |
| 23:06.47 | beardy | robin_sz: haha |
| 23:07.01 | SeanTater | ah-ha! Re: Rev/Matt co-relation |
| 23:07.17 | SeanTater | oops, ctrl-v had unexpected results |
| 23:07.35 | SeanTater | here: -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/verlihub |
| 23:07.45 | Rawplayer | man, i cant even bring my server down over ssh |
| 23:08.11 | beardy | Rawplayer: They can always go down, up is the problem. |
| 23:08.16 | Rawplayer | no |
| 23:08.19 | Rawplayer | down is the problem |
| 23:08.45 | Rawplayer | it doesnt respond on halt, reboot etc.. |
| 23:08.47 | Rawplayer | init 0 |
| 23:08.52 | Rawplayer | the whole shebang |
| 23:09.26 | glut | Rawplayer: try shutdown -n -r |
| 23:09.36 | glut | helps sometimes |
| 23:09.42 | beardy | Rawplayer: "doesnt respond" means? It has to say something. |
| 23:09.57 | Rawplayer | root@sneezy:~# reboot |
| 23:09.57 | Rawplayer | Broadcast message from root@sneezy (pts/7) (Mon Jul 24 01:09:53 2006): |
| 23:09.58 | Rawplayer | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
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| 23:10.04 | Rawplayer | then i can play further |
| 23:10.06 | Rawplayer | on the machine |
| 23:10.09 | Rawplayer | it just wont die |
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| 23:10.29 | cecitto | ok |
| 23:10.34 | beardy | Rawplayer: WHich version of Debian? |
| 23:10.35 | cecitto | now I have it |
| 23:10.38 | cecitto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:11.43 | Rawplayer | testing |
| 23:11.56 | SeanTater | Rawplayer: The kernel should panic if you try to kill init -- if absolutely nothing works, that will likely bring it down, although I doubt I would use it on a production syatem |
| 23:12.11 | cecitto | abrotman, sorry for disturbing |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | disturbing what? |
| 23:12.23 | cecitto | you |
| 23:12.32 | cecitto | this is you have asked |
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| 23:12.34 | cecitto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.44 | unstable | !confuse cecitto |
| 23:12.44 | dpkg | No, those was our hamster tomorrow, cecitto? wellies of the people's republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 23:12.53 | beardy | Rawplayer: You said "my server", why is a "server" running testing? |
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| 23:13.08 | Rawplayer | well its my local server in my lan |
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| 23:13.13 | Rawplayer | like a playground |
| 23:13.22 | cecitto | confuse? |
| 23:13.27 | beardy | Rawplayer: Just go there and kick it then. |
| 23:13.40 | Datentod | Is there a debian package which includes ffmpeg with lame? or I have to do it from source? |
| 23:13.45 | abrotman | !tell Datentod about mplayer |
| 23:13.47 | SeanTater | cecitto: he's playing -- it;s not seroius |
| 23:13.52 | unstable | Datentod: we all use marillat. |
| 23:14.00 | unstable | Datentod: What version of debian? |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | not all of us |
| 23:14.02 | Datentod | I have to do mpg > flov |
| 23:14.05 | Datentod | *flv |
| 23:14.18 | Datentod | using mpeg, using debian stable woody |
| 23:14.24 | Rawplayer | beardy: it also have ton's of defunct stuff |
| 23:14.27 | cecitto | sean, could you help me then? |
| 23:14.30 | Datentod | jesus, I meant mmpeg |
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| 23:14.34 | Rawplayer | without any parent except init |
| 23:14.35 | beardy | Datentod: woody is not stable. |
| 23:14.40 | unstable | Datentod: woody isn't stable; It's old stable; You should dist-upgrade to sarge. |
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| 23:14.52 | abrotman | Datentod: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 23:14.53 | Rawplayer | Datentod: woody is not supported anymore |
| 23:14.58 | mshelby | Am I the only one who had "permission" troubles when I first installed Debian for the network config? Seems like a lot of files and directories were not accessible? |
| 23:15.06 | Datentod | I am running sarge.. sorry guyus, I didn sleep for like 2 days:) |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld make sure he's actualyl running woody before laying into him ? |
| 23:15.23 | Rawplayer | i think will update to potato |
| 23:15.26 | Datentod | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.5-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 23:15.28 | Rawplayer | then its rock solid |
| 23:15.31 | Rawplayer | :rolleyes: |
| 23:15.40 | abrotman | Datentod: that's not sarge |
| 23:15.52 | abrotman | looks like an out of date etch |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | or testing |
| 23:15.57 | Rawplayer | beardy: i cant go to the machine |
| 23:16.04 | Rawplayer | its downstairs |
| 23:16.09 | Rawplayer | and i'am in bed being lazy |
| 23:16.10 | robin_sz | legs broken? |
| 23:16.12 | abrotman | Datentod: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:16.13 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:16.13 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:16.16 | Rawplayer | so thats a huge problem |
| 23:16.25 | Datentod | abrotman: i did some mixing with backports |
| 23:16.35 | abrotman | Datentod: you're still not running sarge |
| 23:16.35 | robin_sz | well, you'll just have to either get unluzy or live with it |
| 23:16.50 | Rawplayer | maybe when i get hungry |
| 23:17.01 | Datentod | abrotman: http://www.phpfi.com/134809 |
| 23:17.02 | beardy | Rawplayer: I understand laziness to a degree, but whineing to ~5-600 people about it, I don't. |
| 23:17.17 | robin_sz | Rawplayer, are you american? |
| 23:17.55 | abrotman | Datentod: you shouldn't mix stable with anything else .. you're not on stable anymore .. you're partially into old unstable packages |
| 23:18.39 | unstable | hmm; mpg123 is non-free software. I didn't know that. |
| 23:18.59 | beardy | unstable: It's not in Debian, is it? |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | !info mpg123 sarge |
| 23:19.06 | unstable | beardy: no |
| 23:19.10 | dpkg | mpg123: (MPEG layer 1/2/3 audio player), section non-free/sound, is optional. Version: 0.59r-20 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 23:19.19 | Rawplayer | robin_sz: NO |
| 23:19.21 | beardy | !info mpg321 sarge |
| 23:19.24 | Rawplayer | i'am dutch |
| 23:19.25 | dpkg | mpg321: (A Free command-line mp3 player, compatible with mpg123), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.10.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 23:19.40 | robin_sz | ok, |
| 23:19.41 | unstable | ahh; I got them mixed up; 123 and 321 |
| 23:19.44 | robin_sz | just checking |
| 23:19.50 | Datentod | abrotman: ok. its fine. but back to the question. is tehre packages for mmpeg with lame support or I have to build from source? |
| 23:20.01 | abrotman | !tell Datentod about mplayer |
| 23:20.08 | unstable | That's right..I want 321; not 123; thanks beardy |
| 23:20.09 | abrotman | !tell Datentod about marillat |
| 23:20.28 | beardy | unstable: well.. you were correct though, it is in non-free, apparently |
| 23:20.32 | Datentod | abrotman: thnkz |
| 23:20.36 | cecitto | sorry guys, i will ask you again |
| 23:20.44 | cecitto | so, i have a server |
| 23:20.50 | cecitto | and I nedd to know |
| 23:21.05 | abrotman | cecitto: the software you're having a problem with is NOT in debian. Have you asked the softare authors about your issue? |
| 23:21.07 | cecitto | how could I set up the socket |
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| 23:21.16 | cecitto | no |
| 23:21.20 | unstable | beardy: 321 == free_software; 123 == non-free; |
| 23:21.26 | unstable | beardy: Kind of confusing; imho; heh |
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| 23:21.56 | cecitto | because I cannot have more then 5000 connections in the same time |
| 23:22.05 | cecitto | and this is a big problem for me |
| 23:22.15 | abrotman | show us the error from the logs |
| 23:22.15 | unstable | cecitto: compile your kernel and change that option |
| 23:22.26 | cecitto | ok |
| 23:22.29 | cecitto | one sec |
| 23:22.37 | beardy | unstable: The Freeone is not only free, it's smaller too, if it does exactly the same thing, I haven't compared them.. |
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| 23:23.17 | cecitto | where is the kernel option? |
| 23:23.26 | cecitto | I cannot find it |
| 23:23.51 | abrotman | dude how do you know you can't have more than 5000? |
| 23:23.56 | mshelby | Ok, let me ask a different way. I have been a linux user for about 6 years. I really like debian, butr I notice that some permissions are not set right after the initial install. Has anyone else encountered this? |
| 23:24.01 | unstable | cecitto: /boot/config-*; |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | mshelby: like? |
| 23:24.14 | unstable | cecitto: But you need to change that config; then compile a kernel against it. |
| 23:24.17 | beardy | mshelby: examples |
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| 23:25.22 | cecitto | now I check it out |
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| 23:25.54 | beardy | unstable: There aren't a limit in connections, AFAIK, unless you mean the number of pty's, which by default is way lower than 5000. |
| 23:25.55 | livingtm | Id like to install kernel-image 2.6.15 on a intel 686 machine. How can i find the package name with this kernel? |
| 23:26.13 | abrotman | apt-cache search image 686 |
| 23:26.25 | mshelby | abrotman: I can't believe I am drawing a complete blank right after I asked that question! So many smaller files in /etc and maybe certain directories are installed with only "root" privileges when they should really have dual privs. |
| 23:26.42 | beardy | mshelby: "dual"? |
| 23:26.48 | abrotman | mshelby: doubtful .. we'd really need examples |
| 23:26.57 | unstable | beardy: I'm not sure; iirc; Some irc ops used to talk about recompiling the kernel so they could support more then a certain amount of users. But this was awhile ago. |
| 23:26.59 | cafuego_ | cecitto: The problem isn't connections, but open file descriptors due to those connections, I'd imagine. You cna tweak that kind of thing via /proc. I'd have a google at Linux performance tweaking and get some more specific info if I were you. |
| 23:27.02 | robin_sz | unstable, if there is a limit on tcp cpnnections, are you sure its compiled in, surely its just an entry in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/* |
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| 23:27.54 | livingtm | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:28.10 | archie | i have one question.. the silly i am.. how to remove those boring access keys on konqueror ? |
| 23:28.24 | cafuego_ | 'dpkg --purge konqueror' |
| 23:28.29 | archie | :) |
| 23:28.30 | Guerin | archie: #kde |
| 23:28.43 | archie | Guerin, ok.. :-/ |
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| 23:29.21 | abrotman | mshelby: what do you mean by 'dual' permissions? |
| 23:30.06 | mshelby | I wish I could think of one right now. I've fixed most of them just by logging back into root and changing permissions. And before anyone starts I know the difference between a root only file and others! I know the dangers! |
| 23:30.25 | abrotman | mshelby: how else would you want to edit those files? |
| 23:31.02 | beardy | mshelby: One example atleast? |
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| 23:32.24 | cecitto | so, I opened the file |
| 23:32.27 | cecitto | config.2.4.20* |
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| 23:32.38 | phaedrus44 | can k3b burn .daa ? |
| 23:32.40 | mshelby | abrotman: meaning both root and the newly created user ought to be able to acess the directory right 'out of the box.' A good example might be the "share" directory in /usr. On my install it was not accessible to the regular user, but /usr/local/share wasn't created either. |
| 23:32.41 | cecitto | and which is the option? |
| 23:32.48 | beardy | mshelby: Sounds more like you've gotten bad ideas from some crappier distribution. |
| 23:32.57 | archie | Guerin, they don't bother to answer.. am i the only one kind of bored by those Access keys, showing up pretty much all the time.. or everybody just removed konqueror as some suggested |
| 23:33.04 | cecitto | is an enormous list |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | mshelby: to read /usr/share/* yes .. not write .. only root should be able to write there |
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| 23:34.46 | beardy | archie: No one is stopping you, bye. |
| 23:34.55 | abrotman | wtf are access keys in konq? |
| 23:34.57 | Guerin | archie: no idea what you even mean by 'access keys' |
| 23:35.00 | archie | beardy, bye |
| 23:35.02 | Guerin | woah |
| 23:35.12 | Guerin | archie: stop stealing my ideas |
| 23:35.14 | Guerin | abrotman: |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | i thnik the problem is kde! |
| 23:35.19 | archie | Guerin, those show up while you press the control key.. |
| 23:35.33 | Guerin | archie: never heard of such |
| 23:35.45 | cecitto | cafuego, I opened the file |
| 23:35.49 | archie | Guerin, you never use konqueror, do you ? |
| 23:35.49 | mshelby | beardy: No, I haven't. I have tried several but I do like debian. It just seems about 98% complete. right out of the box. I have tried Ubuntu, etc and I am not talking about that type of 'comlete' I just think it seems like some of the files aren't set up to be fuly functional to the local user right away. |
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| 23:35.54 | abrotman | archie: you mean .. it pops up ctrl+f if you hit the ctrl key ? |
| 23:35.56 | cecitto | config.2.4.20* |
| 23:35.57 | Guerin | archie: not since about 2004 |
| 23:35.57 | cafuego_ | cecitto: Editing the config file is comletely useless. |
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| 23:36.16 | archie | abrotman, yes.. some little square all over the page.. |
| 23:36.20 | cecitto | then, what should I do? |
| 23:36.24 | abrotman | mshelby: you still didn't say if you meant for a regular user to have write perms in /usr/local/ |
| 23:36.25 | cafuego_ | cecitto: You need to 1) google for info on tweaking kernel parameters and 2) Tweak those parameters in /proc/sys |
| 23:36.32 | abrotman | archie: ask #kde .. |
| 23:36.39 | abrotman | or use gnome :) |
| 23:36.47 | archie | abrotman, i went there, the didn't even bother to answer |
| 23:36.55 | abrotman | ask again in five minutes |
| 23:37.08 | abrotman | Notes has those stupid ctrl+<hint> things .. they suck |
| 23:37.12 | beardy | mshelby: Well, they are. A user should not have permission to write where you said, /usr/share or what it was.. |
| 23:37.33 | archie | abrotman, some stuff are good on gnome.. some are not.. i am just in a mix.. and it has always been the same... for the idiot that i am |
| 23:37.51 | archie | abrotman, ok, i'll try thanks ;-) |
| 23:38.06 | abrotman | archie: or try #debian-kde |
| 23:38.17 | archie | abrotman, :) |
| 23:38.19 | mshelby | abrotman: Yes, that's what I meant. The regular user can't even get to some /usr/local directories because some weren't even created! I used the sraight install off the 'netinstall' option. I have redone it 4-5 times and it always seems incomplete when it is "done." installing the base system. |
| 23:38.41 | abrotman | mshelby: regular users are NOT supposed to be able to write to any dir in /usr/ |
| 23:38.44 | beardy | mshelby: Then have your root to create them. |
| 23:39.04 | Datentod | hmm. I got an explitable version of kernel I assume - 2.6.14-051111b #1 SMP Fri Nov 11 22:30:55 CET 2005. How come it dosent upgrade via distupgrade or upgrade? |
| 23:39.16 | abrotman | Datentod: that's not a debian kernel |
| 23:39.23 | beardy | mshelby: What files are you going to put there anyway? |
| 23:39.24 | dondelelcaro | Datentod: because you haven't installed one of the kernel metapackages, and that's not a Debian kernel. |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | or he's not using debian |
| 23:40.01 | Datentod | omg, then what the hell am I running |
| 23:40.05 | mshelby | I am also the root user. This is for a home machine. And really, that's not the point. I should at least have a usr/local set of directories right from the start that I have permissions to! |
| 23:40.32 | cecitto | sorry, cafuego, what does "tweaking" mean? |
| 23:40.39 | abrotman | Datentod: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 23:40.42 | Datentod | it's just a box from a hosting co, I assumed since they listed is as debian stable... |
| 23:40.44 | beardy | mshelby: Why? |
| 23:40.45 | Datentod | one sec |
| 23:40.47 | abrotman | Datentod: oh wait .. never mind |
| 23:40.51 | abrotman | you already told me |
| 23:41.01 | Datentod | :) |
| 23:41.15 | abrotman | Datentod: cat /proc/version |
| 23:41.22 | Datentod | but I never did a kernel update before , so I could not have mixed the stable/unstable |
| 23:41.25 | Guerin | hosting companies often do their own setup |
| 23:41.36 | Datentod | Linux version 2.6.14-051111b (root@buildd-i386) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Fri Nov 11 22:30:55 CET 2005 |
| 23:41.39 | mshelby | beardy: just regular installed programs, some like desktop application files like background pics, etc... Man I wish I could cite a really good example. They ARE out there, I promise! |
| 23:41.56 | beardy | mshelby: You have your homedirectory, you don't need to put files anywhere else but there. |
| 23:42.12 | abrotman | mshelby: no .. that's now how it works |
| 23:42.50 | Datentod | abrotman: should I leave it as is, or upgrade to a stable kernel? |
| 23:43.00 | abrotman | !qotd155 |
| 23:43.01 | dpkg | qotd155 is, like, <_mark> abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
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| 23:43.13 | Datentod | abrotman: it pumps Linux version 2.6.14-051111b (root@buildd-i386) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Fri Nov 11 22:30:55 CET 2005 |
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| 23:43.29 | cafuego_ | cecitto: tweaking means "changing" |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | Datentod: you should get a kernel that is not out of date .. either from sarge or from etch/sid or backports.org or something |
| 23:43.56 | Datentod | ok. thnaks a again for everything |
| 23:44.23 | beardy | mshelby: And you are free to do whatever you want, even if it's stupid (just don't tell or whine to anyone) like put your additional images or whatever, in /usr/share/whatever/backgrounds, but I do _not_ recommend that. |
| 23:45.32 | beardy | mshelby: As root, that is. |
| 23:45.36 | abrotman | at least he didn't chmod -R a+rwx / :) |
| 23:45.41 | cecitto | thank you cafuego |
| 23:45.44 | mshelby | abrotman, beardy, dpkg: An example might be that I try to install a peice of third party software and it doesn't put the files in /usr, but in '/opt' now since I installed it as root, the local user has no ability to run the program because it is not seen as having permission to access that /opt/bin directory. Maybe that's a weak example... |
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| 23:46.06 | abrotman | mshelby: then the install script is broken |
| 23:46.21 | beardy | mshelby: Indeed, andincorrect aswell. Just add /opt/whatever to the users path. |
| 23:46.29 | abrotman | if the script creates /opt/bin/ and doesn't give it the correct perms .. that's not debian's fault |
| 23:46.30 | cecitto | the problem is kermel is so complicated |
| 23:46.43 | Guerin | yes |
| 23:46.49 | abrotman | almost qotd material |
| 23:46.51 | cecitto | I believe there is some limit |
| 23:46.53 | Guerin | that's why you shouldn't fuck with it if you don't understand it |
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| 23:47.39 | Guerin | as we used to say when I worked in a kitchen: sharp things are sharp. hot things are hot. |
| 23:47.47 | Guerin | by extension, complex things are complex. |
| 23:47.57 | cecitto | yes |
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| 23:48.02 | cecitto | you are right |
| 23:48.08 | cecitto | but is a must |
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| 23:48.08 | mshelby | abrotman: Of course, I have to be root to do that :) .. which is a good thing. BUT, If I try to log into a terminal window and run the program as 'root' the term window replys that it can't find an 'xserver' avail |
| 23:48.26 | Guerin | mshelby: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 23:48.37 | abrotman | mshelby: how long have you been using linux |
| 23:48.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:48.39 | robin_sz | cecitto, check the value of /proc/sys/net/core/somaxconn |
| 23:48.52 | cecitto | ok robin |
| 23:48.58 | cecitto | one sec |
| 23:48.59 | tommy | heh, i just went over to linux and ive learned: complex things are indeed complex. indeed. I always mange to belive im doing something right, then fuckin it up real bad afterwars :P |
| 23:49.28 | mshelby | abrotman: 6 years. I know what you are getting at... I am just not communicating what i am talking about very well. |
| 23:49.43 | tommy | like, trying to get OpenGL to work with my ATI radeon card, ive still not quite managed to get it working |
| 23:49.47 | beardy | mshelby: Also, third party shit.. er, programs, are not in Debian, and not supported or whineable in here, things are set up in a way for a reason, the reason is Good, and ceirtanly in this case, when it comes to file permissions. |
| 23:49.51 | robin_sz | cecitto, and check ulimit |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | mshelby: perhaps .. most people seem perfectly fine with the default perms of linux ... and i find it odd that ANY linux distro would let users write in /opt/ |
| 23:50.37 | cecitto | ok robin |
| 23:51.27 | mshelby | beardy: Then we'd have a pretty small world if we don't talk about third party apps. I know this is a debian forum, that's why I am trying to discuss an issue related to debian! I have had bette successes with other install, but I like the debian system best. The install process is just crappy. |
| 23:51.53 | abrotman | but the permissions are correct |
| 23:52.08 | beardy | mshelby: The install process were better before yes. |
| 23:52.18 | mshelby | abrotman: that's a good point. You are right about that. |
| 23:52.20 | robin_sz | cecitto, as i understand it, each tcp connection becomes an open file in /proc ... as a result, ulimit -n can be relevant |
| 23:52.27 | robin_sz | maybe ... |
| 23:52.30 | robin_sz | WAG ... |
| 23:52.33 | cecitto | yes |
| 23:52.46 | abrotman | mshelby: if they don't work for you .. that's one thing .. but they are correct to give you a working and reasonably secure system |
| 23:53.38 | mshelby | abrotman: Very true. It is workable, it just seems like there is a lot of after install config to do. |
| 23:53.55 | abrotman | mshelby: but that's because of your special needs .. not a problem with debian |
| 23:54.11 | mshelby | beardy: I've only used debian for about 1.5 years... Was the install process better before? |
| 23:55.42 | Guerin | mshelby: post-install config is there to make your job easier, not harder |
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| 23:56.06 | cecitto | robin: thank you so much |
| 23:56.10 | Guerin | mshelby: you and I almost certainly don't want the same setup, for instance, and it's not the installer's job to make decisions for us |
| 23:56.10 | cecitto | for the help |
| 23:56.16 | cecitto | you are very kind |
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| 23:56.29 | cecitto | thank all of you |
| 23:56.36 | cecitto | bye |
| 23:56.50 | mshelby | Guerin: Not the config I am talking about. But your points are valid. |
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