| 00:00.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg's codebase responds to ~ if apt isn't in the channel |
| 00:00.11 | stew | !sarge->testing |
| 00:00.19 | dondelelcaro | (it's supposed to be a dpkg specific hack, but may not be) |
| 00:00.21 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^ did you see that this bug has returned? |
| 00:00.25 | beardy | Oh. |
| 00:01.17 | stew | dondelelcaro: i had sent you a patch for that one iirc, do you want me to resync it and resend it? |
| 00:01.52 | dondelelcaro | stew: that was the Reply.pl patch, iirc... it's still in the svn... or it was |
| 00:02.06 | beardy | Interesting that almost all of you owners woke up right away :) |
| 00:03.52 | stew | dondelelcaro: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370040 i'll look to see if its in your svn |
| 00:04.29 | dondelelcaro | oh, no... I never got that fix |
| 00:04.38 | dondelelcaro | I'll fix it later tonight; working now |
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| 00:05.36 | stew | dondelelcaro: cool |
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| 00:07.55 | Nexus | What should my /etc/hosts file look like? Depending on different servers I look at that had debian installed at different times, I see different things. |
| 00:08.34 | killown | apt-get install lame no found package ¬¬ |
| 00:08.45 | Eulex | !lame |
| 00:08.45 | dpkg | i heard lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 00:08.50 | Eulex | !marillat |
| 00:08.51 | dpkg | well, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 00:09.05 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 00:09.14 | dj_ryan | ooh sexy |
| 00:09.18 | dj_ryan | er |
| 00:09.24 | dj_ryan | hi stranger |
| 00:09.30 | dj_ryan | i was talking about ! marillat |
| 00:09.51 | dj_ryan | but if you're a hot chick on irc then, of course.... |
| 00:09.51 | stranger_stone | dj_ryan :) |
| 00:09.52 | dj_ryan | heh |
| 00:09.54 | dj_ryan | what am i saying |
| 00:09.57 | dj_ryan | there are no girls on irc. |
| 00:10.02 | dj_ryan | or women, or females. |
| 00:10.05 | dj_ryan | maybe female otters? |
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| 00:10.35 | stranger_stone | Yes there are. but this is one debian channel. Opensource to open openmind. free source to one free mind :) |
| 00:10.42 | killown | how I add marillat server in apt? |
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| 00:11.01 | dj_ryan | stranger_stone, er, confused i am. heh |
| 00:11.07 | Eulex | killown, http://debian-multimedia.org/ tells you how. |
| 00:11.17 | killown | thanks |
| 00:11.32 | Hydroxide | dj_ryan: there are definitely women in Debian and #debian both, including at least one chanop |
| 00:11.39 | dj_ryan | heh |
| 00:11.43 | dj_ryan | damnit dont introduce facts! |
| 00:11.57 | stranger_stone | Well gona try to make something :) |
| 00:12.08 | dj_ryan | stranger_stone, whatchew gonna make? |
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| 00:13.30 | Nexus | Anyone willing to show me what their current hosts file format looks like? |
| 00:13.36 | BankHead | hello |
| 00:13.38 | callas | yo |
| 00:13.47 | j4cbo | what's the correct 32-bit kernel image for an athlon64 x2? |
| 00:13.49 | BankHead | good |
| 00:13.54 | callas | ?? |
| 00:14.15 | infernix | j4cbo: any k8 image |
| 00:14.15 | xam | Nexus: join #flood |
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| 00:14.33 | Eulex | j4cbo, lots would be correct, only some might be optimal. |
| 00:14.33 | j4cbo | infernix: all the k8 images support smp? |
| 00:14.35 | Nexus | xam, I'm here |
| 00:14.44 | infernix | j4cbo: probably only the smp-k8 ones |
| 00:15.02 | j4cbo | there don't seem to be any |
| 00:15.04 | lunitik | j4cbo: umm... why would you want a 32 bit kernel with a 64bit proc? |
| 00:15.18 | j4cbo | lunitik: because i have a 32-bit userspace |
| 00:15.20 | lunitik | j4cbo: you can use a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland :/ |
| 00:15.33 | infernix | lunitik: and the point of that is? |
| 00:15.39 | lunitik | Why you'd do it, I'm not entirely sure... but you can |
| 00:15.58 | lunitik | Makes more sense than using a 32bit kernel with a 64bit proc imo |
| 00:16.13 | j4cbo | last i tried, the nvidia drivers were a royal pita to compile for mixed 32/64-bit |
| 00:16.23 | k-god | stoned: http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2006-07-26.gif |
| 00:16.27 | lunitik | eh |
| 00:16.53 | j4cbo | apt-cache search k8 only gives me "kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8" |
| 00:17.10 | j4cbo | which doesn't support smp |
| 00:17.20 | lunitik | j4cbo: k8 *is* amd64 |
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| 00:17.32 | j4cbo | lunitik: um, i know that |
| 00:17.55 | lunitik | j4cbo: k7 maybe? I don't think it matters, not gonna be utilizing your processor either way :/ |
| 00:17.57 | killown | do I cannot see map satelite in gpredict anyone get it? |
| 00:18.01 | j4cbo | i'm looking for a k8 smp kernel and as far as i know there is none prebuilt |
| 00:18.02 | stoned | dude |
| 00:18.05 | stoned | thats fucking awesome |
| 00:18.16 | stoned | if you score some of that beezle budd let me know won't ya |
| 00:18.20 | infernix | j4cbo: k7 would work as well |
| 00:18.21 | k-god | stoned: Thought you'd like it. sinfest rocks. |
| 00:18.26 | k-god | stoned: ;-) |
| 00:18.30 | stoned | thank you |
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| 00:18.39 | stoned | I have not had a good laugh all day, I appreciate it |
| 00:18.41 | j4cbo | infernix: i'm using a k7 kernel now, but will the k7-smp work with an x2? |
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| 00:18.59 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 00:19.35 | jelly-home | j4cbo: apt-cache search linux.\*amd64.\*smp ? |
| 00:19.55 | j4cbo | jelly-home: gives me nothing... |
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| 00:20.13 | jelly-home | j4cbo: ah, you're running stable right? |
| 00:20.27 | j4cbo | jelly-home: no, sid |
| 00:20.29 | Thunderguy | Hey what's a good way to downgrade a package? say if you have a video driver that would only support your card on an older version of X? |
| 00:20.52 | lunitik | Thunderguy: uninstall , and install older :/ |
| 00:21.02 | infernix | j4cbo: apt-cache search linux | grep smp | grep k7 |
| 00:21.03 | lunitik | !downgrade |
| 00:21.03 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 00:21.11 | Thunderguy | lunitik: Do they keep older in the repository? |
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| 00:21.47 | infernix | j4cbo: or build your own. |
| 00:21.49 | beardy | Or run stable. Or don't mix repositories. |
| 00:21.53 | lunitik | Thunderguy: should still be in /var/cache/apt/archives unless you apt-get clean'ed recently |
| 00:21.56 | infernix | !kpkg |
| 00:21.56 | dpkg | i heard kpkg is a KDE package manager designed for handling RPM files, but can also somewhat handle debs. If you're looking for kernel-package ask me about that instead |
| 00:22.01 | infernix | !make-kpkg |
| 00:22.01 | dpkg | i guess make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 00:22.06 | j4cbo | linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7-smp it is then |
| 00:22.21 | Thunderguy | lunitik: Well it's nothing I installed I already, I installed debian with this particular package and my video driver installs says I need an older version |
| 00:22.22 | dj_ryan | ah i loves make-kpkg |
| 00:22.27 | Thunderguy | - I |
| 00:22.28 | dj_ryan | been doing that for years |
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| 00:22.47 | Yarou | dpkg doesn't work |
| 00:22.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:22.47 | lunitik | Thunderguy: I take it its a proprietary vender? call them :/ |
| 00:23.28 | Thunderguy | lunitik: Well the proprietary vendor updated their driver, but in their recent update they took out support for my video card, so I have to use their older driver which needs an older X |
| 00:23.30 | Yarou | as in, it won't start |
| 00:23.42 | lunitik | Thunderguy: again, call them |
| 00:23.45 | Vasistha | Yarou: an error message would be helpful |
| 00:23.49 | Yarou | dpkg --configure -a spits out: |
| 00:23.54 | j4cbo | ok, i'm getting a BADSIG on the signing key from debian.lcs.mit.edu... but i have the 2006 key installed |
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| 00:24.03 | Vasistha | Yarou: paste to a paste bin if it's more than two lines |
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| 00:24.12 | Thunderguy | lunitik: They won't talk to me about it, they say not to even call if your question concerns Linux |
| 00:24.14 | Yarou | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0001' near line 1: |
| 00:24.16 | lunitik | Debian doesn't support proprietary things, it simply supports your choice to use them |
| 00:24.25 | Thunderguy | lunitik: I was just wondering how to downgrade the X server |
| 00:24.25 | Yarou | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.30 | lunitik | Thunderguy: I guess you're sol then |
| 00:24.56 | lunitik | Thunderguy: like I said... you have to uninstall newer, and install older |
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| 00:25.43 | magyar | does anyone know why denyhosts got pushed out from etch? |
| 00:26.11 | Vasistha | Yarou: I don't think I can personally help you, but it might be helpful to know what version of debian you are using |
| 00:26.32 | Yarou | etch n sketch |
| 00:27.40 | j4cbo | repeat last question: BADSIG on apt-get update from debian.lcs.mit.edu... but i already have the '06 key and it's worked before this year |
| 00:27.47 | Vasistha | is it possible that an upgrade to dpkg was aborted or something? I'm not sure whether you can run apt if dpkg is not working |
| 00:28.14 | Yarou | yeah, probably, i'm overwrote my previous mirrors |
| 00:28.25 | Yarou | 99% [3 Packages gzip 17444864] |
| 00:28.39 | Yarou | *i've |
| 00:28.39 | Thunderguy | lunitik: I understand that, but do you know where I might find older? I'm just looking for an older version of the xserver-xorg package |
| 00:28.49 | Vasistha | oh ... if you are in the middle of doing an apt transaction, you cannot use dpkg |
| 00:29.07 | lunitik | Thunderguy: sarge ... woody ... etc |
| 00:29.12 | Thunderguy | ah |
| 00:29.23 | Vasistha | uh, no, xorg is not in sarge |
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| 00:29.28 | lunitik | Thunderguy: 6.9 is in backports... repackage that |
| 00:29.43 | Thunderguy | alright, thanks. |
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| 00:30.01 | lunitik | Vasistha: meh... good point... and etc uses same as sid :/ |
| 00:30.24 | lunitik | Vasistha: my Konversation flashed... I don't really care, proprietary drivers suck :/ |
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| 00:30.28 | _ericb | hi all |
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| 00:30.40 | Vasistha | lunitik: the whole situation sucks :P |
| 00:30.42 | Yarou | Vasistha: it wasn't working, so i ran dselect, now i'm updating |
| 00:31.09 | lunitik | Vasistha: situation? |
| 00:31.13 | Vasistha | Yarou: ah ... sounds like you may be on the right track |
| 00:31.17 | _ericb | I would like to setup a script that starts an X on tty 8 using another configuration file.. I've tried to edit startx but I cannot find where to change the tty, neither the X configuration file.. could anyone help ? |
| 00:31.39 | Vasistha | lunitik: the whole situation ... it's near impossible to buy quality hardware with open drivers |
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| 00:32.22 | Vasistha | _ericb: do you want it to start in addition to the X on ctrl+alt+F7, or do you want to have none on 7, only one on 8? |
| 00:32.46 | _ericb | I want to have one on 7 and one on 8, both using different config files |
| 00:32.52 | lunitik | Vasistha: not true... unless you're a hardcore gamer... but thats why god invented game consoles :/ |
| 00:33.28 | Vasistha | lunitik: I suppose there are all those wonderful compatibility lists that people ignore before going to the computer store... |
| 00:33.44 | Yarou | Vasistha: is there a reason updating hangs at "99% [2 Packages gzip 17293312]" |
| 00:33.51 | beardy | Not really. Or yes, invented, but not let them survive to this day and have first person 3D games on them. |
| 00:34.37 | Vasistha | Yarou: I'm sure there's a reason, but I certainly don't know what it is ... and it certainly can't be good. Could the download have been disrupted by a flaky mirror or connection? |
| 00:35.15 | Yarou | i'd suspect the former more than the latter, because i have a 13 mbps connection |
| 00:35.41 | jelly-home | _ericb: look at man Xorg (man XFree86 for stable) for options to the X server, then run start -- here-go-options-for-the-X-server |
| 00:36.05 | Vasistha | _ericb: well, you probably need to run startx twice, and pass a special parameter to the second |
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| 00:36.38 | j4cbo | beardy: there are first person 3d games on consoles |
| 00:36.43 | Yarou | what the hell? no space left on device? |
| 00:36.44 | jelly-home | _ericb: eg. startx -- :1 vt8 -config other-xorg.conf |
| 00:36.46 | j4cbo | they suck, but they exist :) |
| 00:36.56 | Vasistha | Yarou: what does df say? |
| 00:37.09 | _ericb | thanks jelly-home ! |
| 00:37.10 | _ericb | thanks a lot |
| 00:37.12 | Yarou | #flood |
| 00:37.55 | Vasistha | Yarou: sounds like your hard drive partition is full |
| 00:38.44 | Yarou | well, that's impossible |
| 00:38.55 | Yarou | because mount tells me that's not the case |
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| 00:39.37 | jelly-home | my mount doesn't tell anything about the usage. :-| |
| 00:39.42 | Vasistha | last I checked 'mount' doesn't give info about usage |
| 00:39.46 | tuv | has anyone been ever able to add a printer remotely to cups using the web interface? please advise me on how to do it.. i'm pulling my hair here :/ |
| 00:39.57 | Vasistha | Yarou: okay, for the third time, what does df say? |
| 00:40.13 | tuv | i almost commented out all of cupsd.conf with no success |
| 00:40.15 | Yarou | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0001' near line 1: |
| 00:40.15 | Yarou | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.26 | Vasistha | Yarou: that is not the output of 'df' |
| 00:41.34 | Yarou | /dev/hda1 255001 82982 158413 35% / |
| 00:41.34 | Yarou | tmpfs 453376 0 453376 0% /dev/shm |
| 00:41.34 | Yarou | /dev/hda9 1473682 141106 1253954 11% /home |
| 00:41.34 | Yarou | /dev/hda8 127484 4151 116531 4% /tmp |
| 00:41.34 | Yarou | /dev/hda5 1551583 1449549 19254 99% /usr |
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| 00:41.57 | jelly-home | his /var is obviously full. |
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| 00:42.34 | jelly-home | erm |
| 00:42.49 | jelly-home | make that /usr |
| 00:43.09 | Vasistha | indeed, he pased in #flood , /var is full |
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| 00:43.56 | Vasistha | Yarou: are you aware that apt downloads packages into /var/cache/apt ? |
| 00:44.17 | Vasistha | Yarou: if your /var partition is full, then you cannot download packages, and apt, dpkg, etc., will not work. |
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| 00:45.07 | Yarou | well, i don't know how usr got filled up... |
| 00:45.25 | Vasistha | Yarou: are you using kde? |
| 00:45.29 | Yarou | GNOME |
| 00:45.35 | Yarou | with Metacity |
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| 00:46.19 | Vasistha | Yarou: hrm. Well, konqueror has this wonderful utility that shows a graphical display of your disk usage |
| 00:46.45 | Yarou | gparted shows me disk usage |
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| 00:47.05 | Vasistha | Yarou: heh, I don't think you have any idea what I'm referring to :D |
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| 00:48.02 | jmd | Vasistha: A preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with. |
| 00:48.10 | jelly-home | Yarou: your /usr is really too small if you have gnome or kde installed, try more like 4GB. |
| 00:48.19 | Yarou | Vasistha: i'm sorry, but i don't like running bloated wm's like KDE |
| 00:48.29 | Vasistha | jmd: indeed, and two prepositions also make a terrible way to end a sentence up with |
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| 00:49.03 | Vasistha | Yarou: no need to apologize, dude, although you *are* running gnome... |
| 00:49.14 | jmd | That is the kind of ignorance up with which I shall not put. |
| 00:49.35 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:50.17 | jmd | Yarou: I used a thing called "filelight" (I think) which was rather good at showing disk usage per directory. |
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| 00:50.57 | Vasistha | Yarou: http://reviewed.oopsilon.com/screenshots/kde-3.3_preview/konqueror_file_size_view.png |
| 00:51.55 | Vasistha | Yarou: I have no idea if you have to run kde in order to run konqueror, but this is by far the best way I've found to discover where all that hard drive space has gone "to" :-) |
| 00:52.19 | infernix | du -s -m -c / - what other disk usage tool does one need? |
| 00:52.37 | jelly-home | infernix: df. ;-) |
| 00:52.54 | infernix | jelly: ok. you're right. ;) |
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| 00:53.04 | abrotman | HEY! .. who started without me? |
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| 00:53.17 | jmd | find / -exec ls -ld {} \; |
| 00:53.20 | mrec_ | does anyone know how I can handle .tar.lzma files? |
| 00:53.24 | BankHead | sup |
| 00:53.27 | callas | hello |
| 00:53.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: who started WHAT? |
| 00:53.28 | thingfish | hey I was just thinking about you, abrotman |
| 00:53.31 | Vasistha | infernix: I dunno, man ... konqueror's file size view is so nice. It's the kind of thing that is just appropriate to have a graphical display |
| 00:53.32 | tuv | how can i add a printer remotely using cups web interface? what do i do in the cupsd.conf? |
| 00:53.38 | Yarou | brb |
| 00:53.39 | callas | I'll soon find out |
| 00:53.40 | BankHead | interest |
| 00:53.46 | thingfish | abrotman: it was totally innocent, I promise. |
| 00:53.49 | jmd | mrec_: rm handles them very efficiently. |
| 00:53.50 | Vasistha | infernix: my eyes just go straight to the large files and directories |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | thingfish: in a certain position? |
| 00:54.16 | mrec_ | jmd: funny |
| 00:54.34 | Vasistha | heh heh |
| 00:54.42 | abrotman | thingfish: what were you thinking? |
| 00:54.42 | infernix | Vasistha: well just because windows does it some way doesnt mean linux should. but i guess its taste and personal view ;) |
| 00:55.00 | thingfish | abrotman: no, for some odd reason I was sort of thinking about work, and about all the computer problems we were having, and about all the shitty windows servers we have, and for some reason you popped up in there in the mix. |
| 00:55.08 | Vasistha | infernix: I'm not aware of any windows tool that does the file size view like that... |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | thingfish: eh .. we have .. four i think |
| 00:55.23 | abrotman | out of like 20 |
| 00:55.43 | thingfish | abrotman: I think you sort of stood in my mind as someone who could replace the idiots we obviously have for an IT staff. |
| 00:55.45 | abrotman | maybe not 20 |
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| 00:55.54 | abrotman | thingfish: and i'd eat catfish and ribs! |
| 00:56.10 | abrotman | not at the same time .. jeez |
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| 00:57.10 | litage | if /var/log/apache/*.log are owned by root:adm and apache is running as www-data, how can apache write to its log files? |
| 00:57.13 | peterS | do you eat the ribs of catfish? |
| 00:57.24 | abrotman | litage: what are the perms |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | peterS: that's just gross |
| 00:57.49 | litage | abrotman: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 2034 2006-07-27 10:36 /var/log/apache-ssl/access.log |
| 00:58.03 | peterS | litage: perhaps it opens the log files as root, before switching to the www-data user. in fact I believe it does. |
| 00:58.25 | abrotman | litage: maybe it's not writing there? |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | though the time stamp would indicate that's not true |
| 00:58.35 | litage | abrotman: it's writing there |
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| 00:59.30 | litage | peterS: someone in #apache just confirmed your statement. thanks for that |
| 01:00.02 | peterS | ahh, good to know. |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | maybe my dad isn't calling |
| 01:00.17 | cafuego | litage: Not to mention that you still have one apache process running as root regardless. |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | don't you guys run all your daemons as root ? |
| 01:00.44 | mrcoyote | bn all |
| 01:01.01 | keram | hey |
| 01:01.06 | epsilon | bon nuit? |
| 01:01.09 | litage | cafuego: is it necessary to keep one apache ps running as root? |
| 01:01.10 | keram | i installed vsftpd and its only in anonymous |
| 01:01.16 | keram | it created a /home/ftp folder |
| 01:01.20 | peterS | bonne nuit, epsilon. feminine noun, feminine adjective |
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| 01:01.31 | keram | and i want to be able to login with my users into their home dirs and use ftp from there |
| 01:01.57 | epsilon | sorry, I had my last french lesson 10years ago |
| 01:02.02 | cafuego | litage: If you want it listening on a privileged port (like 80) then yes ;-) |
| 01:02.07 | Ronin | !fr |
| 01:02.08 | dpkg | [fr] Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debianfr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr (irc.debian.org) |
| 01:02.12 | peterS | epsilon: 'nuit' doesn't look like a feminine noun, it's one of those you just have to know |
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| 01:02.37 | litage | cafuego: ah true |
| 01:02.51 | cafuego | peterS: A good rule is to try pronounciation. 'bon nuit' doesn't flow well, thus is wrong. |
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| 01:03.06 | killown | how I get libpng.so.3 in apt-get? |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | !tell killown about search |
| 01:03.39 | Ronin | wow got to love how the house holds the heat,too bad it doesnt do that in the winter |
| 01:04.08 | peterS | Ronin: I hear ya. it's quite warm in my apartment too |
| 01:04.15 | beardy | killown: libpng-dev or what the name is |
| 01:04.26 | killown | beardy ok thanks |
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| 01:04.37 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
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| 01:05.18 | peterS | killown: actually it's called libpng3. you don't want to use libpng.so.3 for compiling new apps (and in fact you can't, in debian) as it's an old version of libpng that won't be supported forever |
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| 01:05.45 | lrww | hey |
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| 01:05.56 | lrww | why java 32 bits dont run on firefox64? |
| 01:06.00 | peterS | looks like not much in debian depends on it, which is a good thing |
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| 01:06.30 | killown | peterS thanks a lot |
| 01:06.45 | jsi | I'm having problems with ACLs. I compiled a kernel that has ACL support for XFS, which I'm running. However, it refuses to mount the partition with the acl option. |
| 01:06.52 | jsi | Any clues? |
| 01:06.54 | cafuego | lrww: Because one is 64bit and the other is 32bit. |
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| 01:07.10 | lrww | cafuego, |
| 01:07.11 | beardy | lrww: Because firefox64 sounds like it's 64-bit and "java 32 bits" sounds like 32-bit. |
| 01:07.12 | cafuego | lrww: That's like expecting a ppc app to run too. |
| 01:07.28 | cafuego | lrww: It will run in firefox32 if you install that in a chroot. |
| 01:07.29 | lrww | but java 64bits don`t run web applications |
| 01:07.41 | peterS | jsi: I don't see a 'acl' option for xfs - I'm looking at 'man 8 mount'. perhaps that feature is just always available? |
| 01:07.52 | cafuego | lrww: Personally I just run a complete 32bit system, so all desktop stuff "just works". |
| 01:08.13 | jsi | peterS: Let me check |
| 01:08.13 | lrww | cafuego, |
| 01:08.21 | lrww | i need run 64bits system |
| 01:08.59 | beardy | Then do that until you need java web things more. |
| 01:09.01 | cafuego | need? |
| 01:09.18 | cafuego | What does it do that a 32bit system doesn't? |
| 01:09.31 | cafuego | (apart from enhancing penis size) |
| 01:09.35 | lrww | cafuego, |
| 01:09.44 | lrww | you undestand GCC structure? |
| 01:09.48 | beardy | !enter |
| 01:09.48 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 01:10.05 | cafuego | lrww: What's that have to do with anything? |
| 01:10.22 | lrww | gcc 64 is better than 32 |
| 01:10.33 | cafuego | ooo-kay |
| 01:10.36 | beardy | the temptation.. |
| 01:10.39 | peterS | lrww: define 'better'. do you mean better as in, doesn't run java? |
| 01:10.56 | lrww | pearl, |
| 01:10.57 | peterS | though, come to think of it, that _could_ be construed as an advantage.... |
| 01:11.00 | lrww | peterS, |
| 01:11.01 | jsi | peterS: Ha! Thanks for showing me the obvious. |
| 01:11.05 | cafuego | peterS: 'better' as in less mature, probably. |
| 01:11.08 | lrww | not coments |
| 01:11.11 | lrww | go to study |
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| 01:11.25 | peterS | jsi: so that was it? cool. |
| 01:11.25 | beardy | hahaha... |
| 01:11.40 | jsi | peterS: Yup. I guess XFS is just neat like that. |
| 01:12.12 | peterS | jsi: one man's "yay, I don't need a mount option" is another man's "you mean I can't turn this off?!?" but I agree, a mount option just for acl support is probably not necessary |
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| 01:12.58 | jsi | peterS: If I had to guess, it's because XFS was designed with a more extensible metadata structure than ext2/ext3, which probably made the flag necessary in the first place. |
| 01:13.05 | jsi | peterS: But that's just a guess on my part. |
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| 01:13.55 | peterS | jsi: well, xfs was designed back in '95 or so, before IRIX 6 was released. and it was designed as a very featureful filesystem. so it doesn't surprise me that acls were a part of it long before it was ever ported to linux |
| 01:14.36 | peterS | jsi: as for ext2 having a mount option, it's not because the filesystem isn't extensible, more because acls were kind of experimental for awhile and people might actually want to turn them off |
| 01:15.29 | peterS | they might have had a noticeable performance impact, too, though I rather doubt it, given what little I know of disk layouts of common filesystems |
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| 01:16.19 | cafuego | peterS: Depends, a check on whether a particular file has ACLs would take up a small amount of time irrespective of how well the fs is designed, I'd hazard. |
| 01:16.24 | usr13 | is there a way to tell ftp to just download everything in the directory? |
| 01:16.32 | cafuego | usr13: mget * |
| 01:16.37 | usr13 | non interacive? |
| 01:16.51 | cafuego | usr13: With lpft, yes... otherwise, dunno. |
| 01:16.55 | peterS | cafuego: but if you can tell without reading anything new off the disk (if that information is in the inode that you already read), well, in-memory checks are so hugely dwarfed by disk I/O that I doubt you'd notice a difference |
| 01:17.05 | cafuego | with lftp, use 'mirror <directoryname>' |
| 01:17.15 | usr13 | lpft? Ill try that. |
| 01:17.17 | usr13 | ok |
| 01:17.32 | jelly-home | usr13: perhaps wget -rl0 -np ftp://host/some/dir/ |
| 01:17.44 | cafuego | mget * on lftp is actually also non-interactive |
| 01:17.47 | jsi | cafuego: They might store the ACLs in another part of the disk which would require a lot of seeking, or it might wreck the byte-alignment of some structure on the disk, or ... |
| 01:17.58 | killown | I m many problems with apt :/ apt-get install unrar no found package in swaret of slackware I find it |
| 01:18.04 | peterS | heh, lftp reminds me of lft, the IBM RS/6000 "low-function terminal" (i.e., the text console). annoying little bugger, terminfo entries for it are _never_ correct |
| 01:18.27 | jelly-home | killown: unrar is in non-free . |
| 01:18.30 | jsi | ahh... termcap |
| 01:18.30 | abrotman | lftp reminds me of leechFTP .. best freaking win32 ftp client .. evar! |
| 01:18.31 | beardy | heh |
| 01:18.39 | cafuego | jsi: If it's anything like what XFS does, the acl is stored in the same inode, until it gets to a certain size, when it doesn't fit anymore and has to be (partially) stored elsewhere. |
| 01:18.42 | peterS | killown: unrar is in a strange situation. there's a non-free version called 'unrar' but also a free program called (in debian) 'unrar-free' to distinguish it. unrar-free, while free, isn't able to read all rar files. |
| 01:18.49 | killown | jelly... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fnon-free%2Fu%2Funrar-nonfree%2Funrar_3.5.4-1_i386.deb&md5sum=a0bba498bb87f33948ec48c9830b0955&arch=i386&type=main |
| 01:18.53 | cafuego | jsi: == massive performance hit. |
| 01:19.10 | jsi | cafuego: But if you need ACLs, then you need acls. |
| 01:19.17 | cafuego | 't is true |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:19.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:19.20 | killown | peterS how I get unrar ? |
| 01:19.21 | jsi | cafuego: Which is the situation I'm faced with. |
| 01:19.35 | cafuego | jsi: Then I'd do some research into which FS implements them the best. |
| 01:19.36 | peterS | killown: add non-free to your sources.list file (run 'apt-setup' if in doubt, I think) |
| 01:19.51 | jelly-home | killown: yeah, sorry, listen to what peterS said and install unrar-free (if you're running testing or unstable) |
| 01:20.23 | peterS | killown: as I said, unrar-free exists _but_ it doesn't open all rar files, just older ones. try it first, if it doesn't handle your warez correctly, track down the other unrar |
| 01:20.53 | killown | in slackware I running unrar |
| 01:21.02 | peterS | it's true, I've never seen rar used for anything but warez. it probably _is_ used for other purposes but I've never seen that |
| 01:21.56 | cafuego | Why doesn't the MPAA sue rarlabs? |
| 01:21.57 | jsi | peterS: I've seen it used for compressing (legal) MPEG movies and the such... however, it tends to yield very little compression on such files because they're already compressed pretty well. |
| 01:22.07 | Vasistha | peterS: I've seen some pron in rar |
| 01:22.10 | cafuego | Put a rootkit in winrar |
| 01:22.37 | peterS | jsi: indeed. and for just archiving multiple files into a single rar file, well, tar does a good job there too (: |
| 01:22.41 | cafuego | jsi: Yeh, mainly it's used to mask the file content or chop it up in such cases. |
| 01:22.43 | jsi | Yup. |
| 01:22.45 | jelly-home | rar is pretty fast and has decent compression (comparable with bzip2, but much faster) |
| 01:23.01 | peterS | jsi: though I've _heard_ people say that rar splitting to (relatively) small chunks, for whatever purpose, is easier and smoother than with other archivers. |
| 01:23.26 | cafuego | peterS: usenet sized chunks? ;-) |
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| 01:23.32 | peterS | but splitting to small chunks doesn't seem useful for that many purposes, to me. I mean, splitting to 700 MB chunks for putting onto a CD, sure. splitting to floppy-sized chunks, not so much, anymore |
| 01:23.37 | peterS | cafuego: heh |
| 01:23.38 | Vasistha | yeah, I've seen rar mostly used for file-splitting |
| 01:23.51 | jsi | What happened to split? |
| 01:24.00 | cafuego | it's probably the only point-n-click windoze archives that does splitting like that. |
| 01:24.02 | Vasistha | ...on bulletin boards where there are file size limits. |
| 01:24.04 | peterS | Vasistha: I just use 'split' for that. you can even recombine at the other end even on MS-DOS, with 'copy /b file1+file2+file3 destfile' |
| 01:24.07 | Guerin | peterS: it's mostly so people who use pre-bittorrent data transfer methods can just get one archive if one is corrupt |
| 01:24.18 | usr13 | jelly-home: This ftp site requires user and password |
| 01:24.31 | Vasistha | peterS: yeah ... but I was definitely not the one posting the stuff, I never would use rar myself |
| 01:24.42 | usr13 | jelly-home: and I am asuming the above is for no passowrd ? |
| 01:24.42 | peterS | Guerin: true. I once fed someone a split file on request because he was on a slow/unreliable connection. but that was years and years ago. |
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| 01:24.46 | cafuego | usr13: wget -c ftp://user:pass@ftp.host.name/dir |
| 01:25.03 | jelly-home | usr13: the usual URI syntax should work. ftp://login:password@host ... |
| 01:25.28 | name | well guys i know that ain't the right chan but, does anybody know if a fan that says 0.39A should work with a 500mA power supply |
| 01:25.29 | NaufraGo | is there in linux any way to enter webpage's databases? |
| 01:25.48 | name | NaufraGo: by havin' a mysql account there? |
| 01:26.07 | peterS | name: it needs 390 mA, the power supply gives 500 mA? sounds ok to me |
| 01:26.10 | Guerin | name: should be fine |
| 01:26.17 | name | won't burn or anything |
| 01:26.24 | name | just'll break earlyer? |
| 01:26.30 | NaufraGo | right |
| 01:26.30 | Guerin | nope |
| 01:26.31 | name | earlier |
| 01:26.32 | beardy | name: Depends on if you run anything else on it or not. |
| 01:26.36 | peterS | name: 390 is quite a bit less than 500, you won't overload it |
| 01:26.37 | Guerin | if it was higher current it might |
| 01:26.38 | name | beardy: dont |
| 01:26.48 | Guerin | get this |
| 01:26.57 | Guerin | i bought a pair of mobile speakers in bangkok |
| 01:27.00 | name | but both's 12V |
| 01:27.04 | peterS | it's the _voltage_ that matters if you're worried about giving the fan _too much_ power. |
| 01:27.07 | Guerin | they draw 9vdc from a wall socket |
| 01:27.09 | NaufraGo | name, without an account |
| 01:27.20 | name | NaufraGo: that'd be cracking wouldn't it |
| 01:27.21 | peterS | Guerin: 9vdc from a _wall socket_? |
| 01:27.22 | Guerin | there's a usb plug on them with a label which says "mp3 mobile charge" |
| 01:27.23 | beardy | name: It may also take out more power the moment it is turned on, but it should probably be fine. |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | NaufraGo: that's called cracking |
| 01:27.25 | name | and cracking is evil :) |
| 01:27.35 | Guerin | i plugged my mp3 player in to charge, and it killed the ide controller |
| 01:27.35 | peterS | oh, from a wall wart |
| 01:27.37 | name | abrotman: haha first! |
| 01:27.42 | NaufraGo | ok, fine |
| 01:27.43 | Guerin | yes folks, it gives out 9vdc over a usb port |
| 01:27.47 | name | i built a router cooling box |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | name: he just asked the #debian on OFTC |
| 01:27.50 | name | :) |
| 01:27.56 | Guerin | peterS: it transforms it from 220vac |
| 01:28.00 | NaufraGo | that's what I wanna do |
| 01:28.07 | peterS | Guerin: right, took me a moment to realise that |
| 01:28.43 | jelly-home | Guerin: bah, 5V, 9V, it's all single digits. |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | NaufraGo: you're asking us how to crack a machine ? |
| 01:28.48 | name | well /me won't help you |
| 01:29.08 | Guerin | jelly-home: yeah. Now i have a reeeally small expensive stylish-looking paperweight |
| 01:29.15 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.16 | Guerin | and a 30G 1.8" harddisk |
| 01:29.23 | name | 30G phh |
| 01:29.46 | NaufraGo | I don't want to perjudice webpages, I want to remove some information that perjudices me or relatives |
| 01:29.59 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | NaufraGo: so you want to crack a server? |
| 01:30.01 | Guerin | NaufraGo: complain to the isp which hosts them |
| 01:30.09 | name | hum |
| 01:30.12 | name | that DNS prob suck\ |
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| 01:30.24 | Guerin | NaufraGo: or make your own better more popular web page which either corrects the information or defames the offender |
| 01:30.27 | Guerin | or both |
| 01:30.28 | gteppel | I installed OpenVPN (tun) on my gateway/router, I have two physical NICs eth0 = internet, eth1 = lan (192.168.1.0/24), tun = 10.8.0.0. I can connect to my openvpn server just fine and if I push the following route: 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 I can view the other clients in my lan, however if I modify the server.conf file to use push redirect-gateway I can't access the internet once I've connected (I can still connect to my lan clients). |
| 01:30.35 | NaufraGo | abrotman, yes |
| 01:30.52 | peterS | NaufraGo: yeah don't ask us in here how to gain unauthorized access to someone else's server. first of all, we don't know how, second, we wouldn't tell you if we did know |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | NaufraGo: you're in the wrong channel .. and i'm very tempted to report you to freenode staff .. have a nice day |
| 01:31.03 | usr13 | ftp://username:*password*@192.168.1.5//usr/multimedia/music/mp3s/* |
| 01:31.09 | peterS | NaufraGo: it's not the appropriate place - and in fact irc.freenode.net isn't the appropriate network (there is a network policy about that) |
| 01:31.10 | Xenguy | third of all, it's quite illegal |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | of course .. there'd need to be a staff member on duty that cares ... |
| 01:31.19 | usr13 | ^ worked ^ |
| 01:31.59 | Guerin | usr13: no shit. |
| 01:32.08 | beardy | Laws change, ethics not as often. |
| 01:32.09 | Guerin | just like 'man ftp' says! |
| 01:32.20 | Guerin | beardy: hah, ethics change all the time! |
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| 01:32.25 | usr13 | (notice the double slashes between hostname and dir |
| 01:32.54 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.16 | beardy | Guerin: I guess, but atleast you make the decision yourself and not someone you thought you voted for for a good reason. |
| 01:33.23 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:33.43 | Guerin | "This is my position. If you don't like it, I have others." |
| 01:33.48 | name | wow what a amazing line i got |
| 01:33.49 | peterS | was that Shaw? |
| 01:33.50 | NaufraGo | alright, I just wanted to increase my knowledges and remove some bad information about relatives in a webpage. but if you don't wanna help me about this, ok. wrong channel :P |
| 01:33.51 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.54 | name | for its 0333 |
| 01:33.55 | Guerin | i'm not shaw |
| 01:33.56 | name | here |
| 01:33.57 | erka123 | hello |
| 01:34.22 | name | all the guys sleeping but me im using their line *muahhaha* :D |
| 01:34.28 | Xenguy | NaufraGo: yeh, you want the h4x0r crowd :P |
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| 01:35.02 | peterS | NaufraGo: we don't believe two wrongs make a right, particularly when one of them is illegal and the other isn't. (: |
| 01:35.37 | Guerin | NaufraGo: really, the best way is to set up your own website contesting the claimsa |
| 01:35.44 | Guerin | make it better and more popular! |
| 01:35.52 | beardy | And use good language. |
| 01:35.54 | Xenguy | NaufraGo: and complain to the isp |
| 01:36.01 | abrotman | use naked peterS pictures! |
| 01:36.04 | name | NaufraGo: IF that's right what you say just sue am |
| 01:36.04 | Guerin | get it on /.! |
| 01:36.09 | name | am = em |
| 01:36.10 | Xenguy | gah |
| 01:36.18 | peterS | abrotman: watch it, they actually gave me the +o |
| 01:36.20 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | peterS: no way! .. |
| 01:36.28 | Guerin | peterS: holyshit, they did? |
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| 01:36.41 | abrotman | peterS: they did! |
| 01:36.45 | peterS | yes, they did. on oftc a few days ago, then here this evening |
| 01:37.01 | peterS | Guerin: I cannot be bribed. (but only because I'm not big on beer.) |
| 01:37.11 | Guerin | 2*0=? |
| 01:37.20 | name | argh I'm flipping out |
| 01:37.23 | name | that damn router |
| 01:37.33 | jelly-home | peterS: surely you like chocolate! |
| 01:37.33 | name | it's broken as **** |
| 01:37.39 | Guerin | one of my profs this year has a section of his opening lecture called "swiss bank account number" |
| 01:37.50 | name | DNS breaks -- dhclient again --> workz |
| 01:37.53 | peterS | jelly-home: yes, I'm much more bribable in chocolate, particularly if you can manage belgian or swiss |
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| 01:38.04 | Guerin | hm, NZ has good chocolate |
| 01:38.14 | name | milka is good ;) |
| 01:38.14 | Xenguy | chocolate is good |
| 01:38.26 | name | choose milka :D |
| 01:38.30 | Guerin | there's a small producer which had a small range back in 2003 when I left |
| 01:38.34 | Xenguy | jelly-home: so far -- beer and chocolate! :- |
| 01:38.35 | Guerin | and now they're huge |
| 01:38.38 | Xenguy | ) |
| 01:38.39 | peterS | I actually like american chocolate, but europeans do sometimes wonder how we manage |
| 01:38.44 | Guerin | and all their chocolate is freetrade as well |
| 01:38.46 | name | dunno if you know that |
| 01:38.47 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:38.49 | Guerin | fairtrade |
| 01:38.52 | name | it's good choclate |
| 01:38.53 | peterS | it's not like cocoa beans are a new world product originally or anything |
| 01:38.55 | Guerin | the opposite of freetrade |
| 01:39.02 | abrotman | !afo |
| 01:39.03 | dpkg | asg for ops! |
| 01:39.18 | name | hm you know the wtf command? |
| 01:39.24 | name | it's funny |
| 01:39.32 | name | ~ $ wtf wtf |
| 01:39.38 | name | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 01:39.38 | name | ^^ :D |
| 01:39.40 | beardy | ... |
| 01:39.41 | Xenguy | cowsay? |
| 01:39.43 | name | no |
| 01:39.44 | name | wtf |
| 01:39.47 | peterS | yeah, in the 'bsdgames' package |
| 01:39.55 | name | its funnu |
| 01:39.56 | name | its funny |
| 01:40.05 | name | and who doesn't know the easteregg? |
| 01:40.25 | beardy | .o/ (?) |
| 01:40.32 | name | you dunno that? |
| 01:40.38 | name | aptitude -v moo |
| 01:40.39 | Guerin | NaufraGo: dpkg stopped being more funny than bellybutton lint a while ago for most of us. Even me! |
| 01:40.42 | name | keep adding v's |
| 01:40.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:40.46 | peterS | name: "the easter egg"? like there's only one in debian? |
| 01:40.47 | Guerin | name: ^ |
| 01:40.50 | name | lol |
| 01:40.51 | name | :) |
| 01:40.51 | jelly-home | I filed a bug for apt, and noticed there's "better cow picture" wishlist. |
| 01:40.53 | name | i love that ;) |
| 01:41.05 | name | that is bored developers |
| 01:41.12 | beardy | name: and how is that an "easteregg" in wtf? |
| 01:41.19 | name | beardy: no it ain't |
| 01:41.28 | name | it's an easteregg in apt |
| 01:41.36 | peterS | no, it's an easter egg in aptitude |
| 01:41.40 | peterS | which isn't the same as apt |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | aptitude -v[v][v][v][v][v] |
| 01:41.46 | beardy | !wise peterS |
| 01:41.46 | dpkg | Here me wiseguys; listen to peterS, for he is wise! |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | erm |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | aptitude -v[v][v][v][v][v] moo |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:42.02 | Xenguy | wiseguy eh?! |
| 01:42.17 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:42.18 | name | wow lol |
| 01:42.21 | peterS | not to say things that _mean_ wise |
| 01:42.22 | name | about:mozilla < in mozilla |
| 01:42.24 | name | :D |
| 01:42.45 | abrotman | peterS: does this mean you'll be disappearing soon too ? |
| 01:42.59 | beardy | The shadows are calling! |
| 01:43.01 | thingfish | aww |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | that's the way it goes in #debian .. you get your +o .. and stop coming around |
| 01:43.30 | peterS | abrotman: I don't intend to disappear. though I may power down soon for a hard drive upgrade (250GB for $59, I didn't particularly need it but the price was right) |
| 01:43.30 | beardy | You feel an urge to creep into the corner where they lie.. |
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| 01:43.40 | Xenguy | wear it like a badge of honour =) |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | peterS: now you can host NaufraGo's site!!! |
| 01:44.19 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 01:44.24 | peterS | abrotman: true. I'll run a miniature hosting service behind a home ADSL line and I'll only print things that are either true or complimentary toward his relatives |
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| 01:44.32 | NaufraGo | mm |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | peterS: i'm sure none of them intend to disappear .. they just go away ... |
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| 01:44.36 | beardy | name: And yes, of course I knew about that. |
| 01:44.56 | yarou | lol |
| 01:45.07 | beardy | ½tell peterS about away |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | so close |
| 01:45.18 | peterS | beardy: oh yeah, I forgot. |
| 01:45.21 | Xenguy | beardy: he must be trolling ;-) |
| 01:45.36 | yarou | hmm |
| 01:45.54 | name | he gets a what |
| 01:45.55 | name | ? |
| 01:45.58 | yarou | can anyone tell me how to move my screen? |
| 01:46.03 | abrotman | pick up the monitor |
| 01:46.05 | name | life - something to eat? |
| 01:46.06 | peterS | yarou: move your ... what? |
| 01:46.08 | Xenguy | yarou: pick it up |
| 01:46.30 | yarou | there was a utility with X, :/ |
| 01:46.31 | beardy | use your arms, or a stronger friend |
| 01:46.55 | yarou | resizing my screen, "moving" it horizontally |
| 01:46.57 | jsi | yarou: control-a d, then move to your new location and run screen -r |
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| 01:47.09 | peterS | yarou: oh, probably the 'xrandr' program |
| 01:47.10 | jsi | oh |
| 01:47.11 | freeone3000 | For X, your monitor should be able to do that. |
| 01:47.18 | Xenguy | my fave is screen -D -R |
| 01:47.24 | peterS | yarou: or that GNOME thingy from the control panel, whose name I don't recall |
| 01:47.24 | abrotman | no .. it's uhm .. |
| 01:47.44 | peterS | Xenguy: eh, 'screen -x' is where it's at. I don't generally want to disconnect other locations |
| 01:48.06 | Xenguy | peterS: hehe, some of us have to |
| 01:48.09 | yarou | i seldom use screen |
| 01:48.15 | peterS | 'screen -S some_label' the first time, 'screen -x some_label' from anywhere else |
| 01:48.27 | abrotman | peterS: it used to be that black&white program where you'd click left/right/etc |
| 01:48.29 | peterS | the -S option is extremely handy if you are in the habit of running 5 or 6 screen sessions for the same login, as I am |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | XVIDTUNE! |
| 01:48.40 | peterS | abrotman: oh, xvidtune. heh. |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | totally failed |
| 01:49.10 | Xenguy | peterS: woooo, I'd find that monstrous to track tho |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | do i get a cookie? |
| 01:49.22 | ^majik^ | question - does the minimal bootable CD image install less packages by default, than the larger CD image? (no extra packages were selected such as the web or mail server group packages) |
| 01:49.30 | beardy | s/I'm/he/ |
| 01:49.52 | peterS | Xenguy: nah, you give them descriptive names. I have one screen session called 'emacs', one called 'irc', one called 'mutt', one called 'cplay'. |
| 01:50.10 | abrotman | beardy: trying what? |
| 01:50.12 | peterS | Xenguy: 'screen -x mutt' to check your mail - easy to remember, if you always use that name. 'screen -ls' if you really get confused. |
| 01:50.17 | freeone3000 | I have gtk2-engines installed, however, drip complains that it was `Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libclearlooks.so",'. What should I do to get it recognized, or should I use a diffrent DVD ripper? (I'm on KDE.) |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | peterS: why not screen -x mail .. in case you switch to elmo ? |
| 01:50.54 | jsi | Because all mail clients suck. Mutt just sucks less. |
| 01:51.01 | beardy | abrotman: same as you? Or what were you trying? |
| 01:51.02 | peterS | abrotman: don't know what I'll do if I switch MUAs. I've actually tried mutt-ng but didn't give it enough of a workout to see whether it's got any advantages over mutt that I would actually use |
| 01:51.03 | jelly-home | noone switches back to elm(o) |
| 01:51.05 | freeone3000 | ^majik^: I think they install about the same amount. Just the minimal has to get them from teh web. |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | peterS: elmo!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:51.20 | peterS | jsi: yes but it's unknown whether mutt sucks the _least_. |
| 01:51.40 | beardy | abrotman: Or you meant xvidtune? No, Iäm entering the labyrinth of screen. |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | peterS: watch it .. you'll get cake on your finger |
| 01:51.56 | peterS | doh |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | beardy: freak! |
| 01:52.06 | peterS | dude I wasn't tickling _that_ part |
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| 01:52.14 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. i see how it is |
| 01:52.22 | beardy | I'm watching my named test screen session, in two screens in my usual screen session. |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | peterS: btw .. my presence has already been requested at DC7 :) |
| 01:52.43 | peterS | abrotman: good, good. you do want to see edinburgh, right? |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | and i apologized profusely to damog |
| 01:52.47 | ^majik^ | freeone3000: thats what I figured. its just kind of odd to see the update process grab things like openoffice dictionaries for english and french. plus it installed python too, that I'm atleast aware of. |
| 01:52.54 | beardy | abrotman: that's rude! |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | peterS: i wanted to go to .mx too .. at least mexican food is good :) |
| 01:53.05 | freeone3000 | ^majik^: What the fuck, over. |
| 01:53.07 | peterS | hehe |
| 01:53.21 | freeone3000 | ^majik^: I mean, I understand python. But openoffice french dictionaries? Odd. |
| 01:53.25 | peterS | beardy: now _nested_ screen sessions, I try to avoid. _that_ gets confusing. I run 5 or 6 sessions but not nested. |
| 01:53.28 | name | Corrupt lease file - possible data loss! |
| 01:53.32 | name | wt? |
| 01:53.38 | beardy | peterS: Yeah :) |
| 01:53.40 | jsi | icky, nested screens |
| 01:53.50 | jsi | How many levels can YOU go? |
| 01:53.56 | peterS | it's really icky when you want to control them. how many times do you hit ctrl-a? (: |
| 01:54.09 | ^majik^ | freeone3000: I would've complained about perl being installed too, but I know how important it is..recently |
| 01:54.24 | dondelelcaro | you know it's bad when you've got screens that have different control characters precisely so they can be nested |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | freak |
| 01:54.57 | beardy | peterS: But on limited bandwidth, it can sometimes be nicer than to ssh in multiple times. |
| 01:55.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I've considered doing exactly that, actually. so I can nest them across ssh. |
| 01:55.23 | peterS | dondelelcaro: the problem is, with my emacs habit, there are very few control characters I'm willing to give up |
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| 01:55.33 | cLoreTz | yeah |
| 01:55.34 | abrotman | peterS: get a mac keyboard! |
| 01:55.35 | cLoreTz | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/fixdep.c', needed by `scripts/basic/fixdep'. Stop. |
| 01:55.39 | cLoreTz | How to solved? |
| 01:55.42 | peterS | beardy: oh I ssh in and then run screen. I just make sure I'm not already in screen on the host system. |
| 01:55.44 | beardy | abrotman: mactard! |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | beardy: i don't have a mac keyboard |
| 01:56.06 | freeone3000 | I have gtk2-engines installed, however, drip complains that it was `Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libclearlooks.so",'. What should I do to get it recognized, or should I use a diffrent DVD ripper? (I'm on KDE.) |
| 01:56.10 | beardy | abrotman: mac propagandist! |
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| 01:56.18 | abrotman | it's hardware |
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| 01:56.32 | beardy | abrotman: FREAK! |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | if there were more than one goddamn supplier of ITX in the states .. i'd get more of those |
| 01:56.58 | peterS | beardy: btw, with persistent ssh connections (new in openssh 4.0, easy-to-use in openssh 4.1) multiple ssh sessions don't actually entail multiple reading of passwords or connection delays. |
| 01:57.12 | ^majik^ | freeone3000: hm.. grepping thru `dpkg --list` doesn't reveal anything for openoffice (I grep'ed for 'open') ah well. this does appear to be relatively lightweight |
| 01:57.19 | cLoreTz | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/fixdep.c', needed by `scripts/basic/fixdep'. Stop. |
| 01:57.21 | cLoreTz | how solve? |
| 01:57.34 | abrotman | what did you say? |
| 01:57.39 | me_ | if i have a working debian install, is there any way i can run debian-installer within that system? |
| 01:57.39 | peterS | beardy: in ~/.ssh/config: ControlMaster auto ControlPath ~/.ssh/sock_%r@%h:%p |
| 01:57.50 | freeone3000 | cLoreTz: Do you have a working C compiler installed? |
| 01:57.52 | abrotman | me_: debootstrap |
| 01:57.56 | peterS | (that's for openssh 4.1) |
| 01:57.59 | cLoreTz | freeone3000, |
| 01:58.03 | cLoreTz | apt-get install gcc |
| 01:58.03 | cLoreTz | ? |
| 01:58.14 | me_ | i was hoping to use the full interactive installer, is that possible? |
| 01:58.17 | abrotman | !b-e |
| 01:58.17 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 02:00.38 | j4cbo | damn this cpu is amazing |
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| 02:00.53 | me_ | alternatively, is there any way i can run the interactive debian config tool after debootstraping? |
| 02:02.00 | abrotman | me_: base-config ? |
| 02:02.22 | me_ | isn't that deprecated or something like that? |
| 02:02.38 | beardy | Not yet, in etch, perhaps. |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | it is |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | in etch i mean |
| 02:03.49 | abrotman | i miss it .. it was cuddly |
| 02:04.14 | me_ | what replaces it? |
| 02:04.21 | j4cbo | compiles a (fairly stripped-down) kernel in 1m20s and when idling, the cpu fan shuts off completely :) |
| 02:04.32 | beardy | dpkg-reconfigure differentthings, I think |
| 02:04.51 | cLoreTz | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/basic/fixdep.c', needed by `scripts/basic/fixdep'. Stop. |
| 02:04.53 | cLoreTz | how to solve? |
| 02:05.01 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:05.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 02:05.07 | jdeponte | hi all |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | oh goodie .. new tasksel in etch .. now i can install stuff again! |
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| 02:06.25 | inwx | how many people uses debian |
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| 02:06.38 | abrotman | lots |
| 02:06.45 | inwx | i thought gentoo had stolen all of them |
| 02:06.45 | j4cbo | inwx: twenty three, as of last thursday |
| 02:06.47 | abrotman | kabillinos |
| 02:06.49 | beardy | inwx: A lot. |
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| 02:07.06 | j4cbo | gentoo is for ricers |
| 02:07.13 | inwx | who do you think will survive? |
| 02:07.17 | inwx | or success |
| 02:07.22 | j4cbo | debian is for stability |
| 02:07.27 | cfrisch | I cannot use the shell on my vt's only konsole will load a cli I get Segmentation fault. Help please |
| 02:07.41 | name | j4cbo: well :) |
| 02:07.54 | name | j4cbo: sid aint |
| 02:08.06 | me_ | people who don't like broken packages use debian instead of ubuntu |
| 02:08.06 | inwx | j4cbo: gentoo on its stable versions is stable too |
| 02:08.07 | j4cbo | name: admittedly true |
| 02:08.20 | name | i use sid |
| 02:08.22 | name | aint stable |
| 02:08.25 | name | but stable enough |
| 02:08.28 | name | for me |
| 02:08.34 | j4cbo | yeah, as do i |
| 02:08.37 | inwx | for example... in my opinion ubuntu is going to die in the near future |
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| 02:08.42 | beardy | cfrisch: Let's take that one step at a time, are you trying to log in at a vt, what you get on Ctrl-Alt-F1 ro F6 by default? |
| 02:08.44 | inwx | just like mandriva |
| 02:09.01 | morphex | if i have some system commands that should be executed as early as possible (after / is mounted for example), where should i put them? |
| 02:09.12 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 02:09.12 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
| 02:09.19 | inwx | those are distros with no ppl behind |
| 02:09.20 | abrotman | inwx: do you have a debian question? |
| 02:09.26 | morphex | thx beardy |
| 02:09.37 | inwx | abrotman: nop, i'm just chatting |
| 02:09.38 | cfrisch | beardy I can log in but any time I enter a command it segs. I thought I borked bash but have reinstalled it |
| 02:09.43 | inwx | and asking other kinds of questions |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | inwx: if you want to discuss the merits(or lack of) in certain distros . .try ##linux . .this is a support channel |
| 02:09.59 | beardy | cfrisch: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 02:10.08 | inwx | i want to get to know what debian people think about other distros |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | we don't .. we use debian |
| 02:10.14 | inwx | debians pros and cons |
| 02:10.16 | beardy | inwx: Not here. |
| 02:10.19 | cfrisch | beardy: unstable amd64 ;-) |
| 02:10.21 | inwx | ok, sorry |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | !tell inwx about why debian |
| 02:10.26 | inwx | i though it was a free channel |
| 02:10.27 | beardy | !tell inwx -about why debian |
| 02:10.37 | abrotman | inwx: this is a support channel |
| 02:10.54 | inwx | ok, sorry i didn't know it wasnt possible to chat here |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | otherwise we'd spend all day discussing how to make debian just like gentoo using apt-build |
| 02:11.02 | inwx | sorry, didn't mean to bother you |
| 02:11.20 | beardy | inwx: Of course we like Debian, we run it. Discuss different distros, pros and cons, in ##linux, or where they tell you is more approriate. |
| 02:12.19 | beardy | cfrisch: I guess anything can be borking then, as I hope you realise. |
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| 02:12.55 | beardy | cfrisch: Try ask #debian-amd64 aswell. |
| 02:13.03 | cfrisch | beardy: yes. It wasn't like this till a couple of days ago AH WELL |
| 02:13.04 | Vasistha | inwx: you could ask in #freenode-social ... we occasionally tolerate such drivel :-) |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | more like help it along ... |
| 02:14.11 | ryanakca | is there any software for making personal debian repositories? |
| 02:14.18 | beardy | !own repo |
| 02:14.18 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
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| 02:14.33 | ryanakca | beardy: ty |
| 02:14.46 | beardy | ryanakca: yw |
| 02:14.47 | inwx | Vasistha: don't know what u mean |
| 02:15.30 | Vasistha | inwx: it's another channel. a social, chatting channel. And you'll find debian users, and users of other distros, who might entertain your question |
| 02:15.43 | inwx | ok, thanks! |
| 02:16.01 | beardy | If they let you talk, that is. |
| 02:16.12 | freeone3000 | I have gtk2-engines installed, however, drip complains that it was `Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libclearlooks.so",'. What should I do to get it recognized, or should I use a diffrent DVD encoder? (I'm on KDE.) |
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| 02:16.43 | inwx | is this only a technical question channel? |
| 02:16.46 | muhoo | gah, 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)\ |
| 02:16.50 | Ronin | inwx: pretty much |
| 02:17.12 | muhoo | this is an existing mysql installation, all i did is swap out a new root drive. the mysqldata is on a completely different filesystem. |
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| 02:17.30 | muhoo | the /etc/mysql is the exact same files as on the old system |
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| 02:17.39 | freeone3000 | Nevermind. I got a better one. All hailmplayer. |
| 02:17.42 | muhoo | no user can log in. |
| 02:17.50 | muhoo | not even root. bizarre. |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | that's a feature |
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| 02:18.07 | muhoo | how do i get around this feature :-) |
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| 02:18.23 | muhoo | seems like i'm locked out so i can't fix it. |
| 02:18.35 | CHodapp | So... why is my /etc/profile being completely ignored? |
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| 02:18.50 | Vasistha | muhoo: there's a relatively simple way to reset your root password, I think it's documented in the mysql documentation |
| 02:19.00 | itchi | Is there some stuff to control the fan of the laptop? I mean the speed, stop/start the fan. These settings we get of /proc/acpi/... |
| 02:19.15 | dondelelcaro | !forgot mysql root password |
| 02:19.15 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 02:19.19 | Vasistha | CHodapp: perhaps it's not being sourced in either ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 02:19.45 | muhoo | thanks |
| 02:20.00 | muhoo | i have *not* forgotten my root password though. something else is screwy |
| 02:20.05 | CHodapp | Vasistha, bash by default reads this, quoth the manpage |
| 02:20.09 | Vasistha | itchi: is there some reason you don't trust the kernel to manage it for you? |
| 02:20.32 | Vasistha | CHodapp: heh ... well ... maybe it's a common problem :-) Do you know how to source it? |
| 02:20.46 | itchi | Vasistha: It's because the kernel can not manage my bugy laptop :-( Gona paste my report on an paster ... |
| 02:20.50 | Vasistha | CHodapp: uhm, err, oh, I see what you mean, excuse me |
| 02:21.01 | me_ | when debian etch comes out, will it be possible to upgrade from sarge x86 to etch amd64? |
| 02:21.08 | muhoo | aha! |
| 02:21.10 | Vasistha | itchi: yeah, I use apm because I have a buggy acpi implementation |
| 02:21.28 | muhoo | weird |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | me_: not likely .. |
| 02:21.54 | itchi | Vasistha: With APM it's many more crazy :-/ Then the fan run some time randomly ... hold on; i paste ... |
| 02:21.56 | Vasistha | CHodapp: yeah ... I had to source it in .bashrc before it actually worked, myself |
| 02:22.46 | i3dmaster | anyone knows how to split a window vertically? |
| 02:23.19 | Vasistha | itchi: yeah, my fan runs sometimes and sometimes not ... actually, it hardly ever runs at all, this laptop stays pretty cool, it's quite nice, actually. very quiet. The bios manages it, and turns on the fan whenever it gets warm. |
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| 02:23.37 | Ronin | i3dmaster: what window where? |
| 02:23.38 | Vasistha | i3dmaster: it completely depends on the application you're using, sometimes it's supported, sometimes not |
| 02:23.48 | i3dmaster | Ronin: terminal |
| 02:24.10 | Vasistha | i3dmaster: you *might* be able to do that with screen, but I'm not sure. man screen ? |
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| 02:24.15 | i3dmaster | Vasistha, Ronin: Im using xfce4-terminal |
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| 02:24.44 | itchi | Vasistha: http://pastebin.ca/101693 It's not my case with APM, some time he will completely not use the fan at all, i not tell how he get it hot :-/ |
| 02:25.05 | Vasistha | i3dmaster: what, do you want to scroll up the history in the top part, and have the bottom part showing your current commands and responses? |
| 02:25.09 | i3dmaster | Vasistha: tried.. only see horizontal |
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| 02:25.49 | i3dmaster | Vasistha: its more for the irc actually. |
| 02:26.23 | i3dmaster | I hope I can have more than just one window cause I have two servers need to connect |
| 02:26.26 | Vasistha | i3dmaster: ohh... someone asked about that in #irssi yesterday, and the response was that it's not supported, you can't do it |
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| 02:26.35 | digit | hi all |
| 02:26.41 | i3dmaster | Vasistha: oh... |
| 02:26.46 | Vasistha | i3dmaster: well, you could just bring up two instances of your xfce terminal |
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| 02:27.25 | digit | I have a question regarding dvd lib |
| 02:27.28 | i3dmaster | Vasistha: ya I know ... |
| 02:27.30 | Vasistha | itchi: I have a compaq armada 1750, I would recommend NOT USING ACPI |
| 02:27.54 | i3dmaster | I was just trying to see if there is anything that can make it looks pretty |
| 02:28.26 | digit | I try and play a dvd movie and I get the error thats im missing libdvdcss |
| 02:28.27 | Vasistha | itchi: if you *must* use acpi, there is a kernel boot param you can pass that will force the fan to be always_on |
| 02:28.33 | digit | anyone |
| 02:28.42 | Vasistha | itchi: if you don't do that, chances are you will overheat and shut down |
| 02:29.48 | itchi | Vasistha: Yeah, but some time, with APM, the fan will completely not run. You know about the random run. But actually i get i running so that he always run, like on my report. |
| 02:29.51 | Vasistha | digit: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:30.15 | itchi | Vasistha: Yeah i know, i will not overheat it, i have found an temp solution; but i not find that nice |
| 02:30.35 | digit | come again |
| 02:30.46 | muhoo | holy shit |
| 02:30.47 | Vasistha | itchi: I've been running debian on my compaq armada 1750 for two years with apm, and it works great. The fan doesn't even run every day. But if you start compiling something, or do something processor intensive, it will run. Don't worry about its not running for hours, that just means it isn't too hot |
| 02:30.59 | muhoo | my whole mysql database appears to be utterly botched |
| 02:31.13 | Ronin | |
| 02:31.16 | muhoo | only 4 users in the user table in mysql... but there should be dozens. |
| 02:31.17 | Vasistha | digit: type it into your irc client: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:31.24 | itchi | Vasistha: How you can see the temperature of the fan with APM? |
| 02:31.30 | Vasistha | muhoo: hope you've got a backup... |
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| 02:31.40 | Vasistha | itchi: apm provides no temperature readouts |
| 02:31.41 | muhoo | of the important stuff, yes |
| 02:31.55 | itchi | Vasistha: Yeah i know :-/ ;-) |
| 02:31.56 | Ronin | oh this may be bad, upgrade on mail server is desperatly trying to install exim |
| 02:32.01 | muhoo | still, this is fucked. how could it have done this? |
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| 02:32.13 | Vasistha | itchi: here, let me see if I can find those armada 1750 web resources... |
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| 02:32.59 | itchi | Vasistha: Actually i use 'acpi=on'. So first try your acpi=always_on in the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 02:33.13 | cafuego | muhoo: Did you crash? Did an app have an escape string vulnerability? |
| 02:33.45 | Natman | hello. I'm trying to setup TLS with exim4 on Sarge, but exim4 isn't advertising TLS support... I've RTFM'ed and I'm missing something. Can anyone help? |
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| 02:34.15 | Vasistha | itchi: http://www.fuschlberger.net/armada/ |
| 02:34.31 | itchi | Vasistha: Thanks gona read it |
| 02:34.34 | danf_1979 | Any debian server howtos website? I know already howtoforge and debianhelp.org, any other? |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | howto .. to do what? |
| 02:34.59 | itchi | Vasistha: I have already read many about that bugy laptop, many guys have kill his 1750 i have read ;-) |
| 02:35.04 | Vasistha | itchi: I would really strongly recommend *not* using acpi ... this laptop has a really buggy acpi implementation (and a buggy bios, and a buggy soundcard, too, for that matter) I boot with acpi=off noacpi apm=power_off |
| 02:35.39 | danf_1979 | server setup, config scripts, recipes... anything anyone could learn, but server oriented... |
| 02:35.41 | danf_1979 | not desktop |
| 02:36.04 | Vasistha | itchi: but anyway... isn't the sound wonderful? :D |
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| 02:36.46 | Vasistha | itchi: oh, another thing ... you've probably noticed that if you close the display when X is up and open it again, it goes blank and you can't get it back. There's a wonderful way to get it back... |
| 02:37.13 | slew | i've tried the /msg dpkg 2006 key and did what it said but i still get the no pubkey error when trying debian-multimedia.org. any suggestions? |
| 02:37.25 | itchi | Vasistha: Have you not sound working? Work fine here :-) But there are if i remember good 14(tried) implementation of that 1750 Looks like these stupid guys have always fail to try to build sometings _good_ ;-) |
| 02:37.32 | dondelelcaro | slew: debian-multimedia.org doesn't use the Debian archive GPG key. |
| 02:37.33 | Ronin | argh why didnt that holdback exim anymore |
| 02:37.40 | stoned | slew, /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 02:37.57 | cafuego | slew: debian-multimedia.org isn't an official debian repository. You'll need to add the key for whoever signs those packages. |
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| 02:38.35 | Ronin | finklestine shite kid, grrr |
| 02:38.37 | itchi | Vasistha: I not get it blank when i close it. But some time it come blank. Interesting if you know the sollution ;-) |
| 02:39.07 | digit | I need to know what pkg i need to make the error go away |
| 02:39.24 | slew | dondelelcaro, stoned cafuego thanks! |
| 02:39.36 | Vasistha | itchi: first of all, always change to a virtual terminal (ctrl+alt+f5) before you put the screen down, and then when you open it give it five second before going back to the gui with ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 02:39.44 | digit | again i get missing libdvdcss |
| 02:40.01 | cafuego | So install libdvdcss. |
| 02:40.02 | slew | cafuego, how do i know or learn which repositories are official or not? |
| 02:40.12 | cafuego | Run the script in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples |
| 02:40.13 | muhoo | cafuego: good questions. no crash, organized shutdown. don't know about any vulnerabilities; this is a private server on a (relatively) secure LAN |
| 02:40.16 | cafuego | (as root) |
| 02:40.21 | digit | cant find it |
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| 02:40.34 | cafuego | muhoo: Any chance the disk is (or was) full? |
| 02:40.35 | Vasistha | itchi: ...also, change to a virtual terminal before doing a suspend to ram. If you forget to change, and it comes up blank, go to a virtual terminal, log in, and type: chvt 7; xset dpms force on -d ":0" |
| 02:40.38 | digit | help please |
| 02:40.47 | muhoo | cafuego: /dev/hdc1 19G 8.0G 9.8G 45% /u4 |
| 02:40.55 | cafuego | digit: Run the script in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples as root. |
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| 02:41.24 | cafuego | slew: if they end in debian.org they're usually official ;-) |
| 02:41.27 | Vasistha | itchi: err, excuse me, that should be -display ... chvt 7; xset dpms force one -display :0 |
| 02:41.58 | digit | thanks |
| 02:42.01 | cafuego | muhoo: Hrm. Nothing odd in the system or mysql logs right before it happened? |
| 02:42.08 | Vasistha | itchi: darn it, I can't type! okay, I paste it: chvt 7 && xset dpms force on -display :0 |
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| 02:43.02 | muhoo | cafuego: nothing that jumped out at me. |
| 02:43.15 | weirdo | Hello, I'm using debian unstable and applications using sound which i've compiled myself have garbled sound |
| 02:43.29 | cafuego | muhoo: No 'DELETE' queries? Nothing in .mysql_history for any users? |
| 02:43.32 | slew | cafuego, ok cool |
| 02:43.38 | weirdo | I'm using alsa and a 2.6 kernel |
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| 02:44.13 | cafuego | muhoo: Does the box have networked backup? Any chance an old version got restored by accident? |
| 02:44.24 | itchi | Vasistha: Many thanks, i have paste all the informations you give ;-) |
| 02:44.31 | muhoo | cafuego: also a good question, but nothin fancy. i use old-fashined dump |
| 02:44.32 | nopalin | what packages i need to install to get support for TCl and TK ? i searched them with apt-cache, i but i cant find something like libtcl or libtk... any help? |
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| 02:44.38 | GneaTESTTESTTEST | yada |
| 02:44.41 | GneaTESTTESTTEST | d'oh |
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| 02:44.54 | muhoo | cafuego: i'll look through the transaction logs, but nothing in the mysql.err, or in /var/log/messages or syslog that looks too odd |
| 02:44.55 | Vasistha | itchi: you're welcome! glad to find another armada user :-) |
| 02:45.09 | itchi | Vasistha: hehe :-) |
| 02:45.29 | itchi | Vasistha: And about that crap touchpad?? :-p |
| 02:45.31 | cafuego | muhoo: Have you run myisamchk on the table(s) in question? |
| 02:45.43 | Vasistha | itchi: another thing that might interest you: heh, I was about to bring the touchpad up myself!! |
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| 02:46.03 | cafuego | muhoo: They may simply have abusted index, causing some entries to not show. (been there, seen that) |
| 02:46.08 | muhoo | Jul 26 18:54:54 bc mysqld[2943]: 060726 18:54:54 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown |
| 02:46.23 | cafuego | muhoo: Yeah, irrespective of normal shutdown. |
| 02:46.23 | muhoo | ah! |
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| 02:46.23 | muhoo | Jul 26 18:56:47 bc mysqld[13004]: 060726 18:56:47 [Warning] mysql.user table is not updated to new password format; Disabling new password usage until mysql_fix_privilege_tables is run |
| 02:46.35 | muhoo | ok, wait, wtf? |
| 02:46.41 | cafuego | muhoo: Ah yes |
| 02:46.50 | muhoo | i shut down the machine after i installed the new drive. i reboot it, and i get this |
| 02:47.01 | Vasistha | itchi: there's a firmware bug, it doesn't respond to "reset" properly. There's a support website for the synaptics touchpad driver that actually mentions the compaq armada 1750 explicitly. If you change three lines of code in the driver and recompile, you can make it to the fancy stuff ... though I have not yet succeeded myself, I think at this point I know enough to make it work, just need to find the time |
| 02:47.02 | cafuego | muhoo: mysql 4 uses a different PASWORD() algorithm compared to v3 |
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| 02:47.12 | muhoo | this machine has been 4.1 for years |
| 02:47.29 | cafuego | muhoo: Have the tables as well? |
| 02:47.30 | muhoo | now, there are some old 3.22.23 passwords in there still |
| 02:47.38 | me_ | how long do debian installs tend to last on servers? |
| 02:47.43 | muhoo | naw, some of these tables date back 5 years |
| 02:47.55 | muhoo | but i've run that update script before |
| 02:48.10 | cafuego | muhoo: Odd. I'd tun the table checker first, just to be sure. |
| 02:48.14 | itchi | Vasistha: Some time this touchpad work fine; but some time it realy not work fine :-/ |
| 02:48.23 | Vasistha | me_: I dunno, depends how much you want to install, what your method of installation is, how many devices you need to get working, and possibly your bandwidth ... but as little as 30 minutes |
| 02:48.23 | cafuego | me_: lots and counting... |
| 02:48.31 | slew | apt-get install -f fixes broken packages, right? |
| 02:48.41 | slew | [or tries to] |
| 02:48.47 | Vasistha | itchi: does it sometimes jump around and do random clicks when you're just moving? |
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| 02:49.03 | itchi | Vasistha: How you know that?? :-p |
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| 02:49.26 | Vasistha | itchi: would you like my XF86Config-4 ? |
| 02:49.34 | Coach | hi@all |
| 02:49.40 | Vasistha | itchi: although actually the one on that web site is probably fine |
| 02:49.50 | itchi | Vasistha: Yeah, interesting, running Etch here, but i guess it can help me too |
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| 02:50.37 | jonkri | i get this when i compile my application (which has previously worked): "/usr/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/3.4.4/../../../../lib/libxml++-2.6.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6". now my libxml functions screw up. any ideas what's causing this? debian/stable/gcc-3.4 |
| 02:50.55 | muhoo | cafuego: thanks. i'm thinking i should restore these tables first from backups. |
| 02:51.01 | Vasistha | itchi: I should tell you that I set up my config to be able to use an external ps/2 wheel mouse, and then I found that ... if I booted the computer without the wheel mouse plugged in, the touchpad was crazy. Once I plugged in the wheel mouse, moved around, and used the scroll wheel, then the touchpad worked fine again... |
| 02:51.11 | muhoo | running the table checker doesn't accomplish anythign on these tables, they seem hopelessly botched. |
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| 02:51.21 | cafuego | ick |
| 02:51.31 | me_ | i didn't mean how long in terms of how long it takes to install; i meant how long you keep an install and update as opposed to reinstall |
| 02:51.33 | Vasistha | itchi: but I didn't want to have to plug in the wheel mouse every time I booted, so I turned off all the wheel mouse features and now the touchpad just always works fine. |
| 02:51.35 | muhoo | my the way, only the mysql grants db seems botched. everythign else is just ducky. |
| 02:51.40 | cafuego | muhoo: There's some additional flags for the tool.. |
| 02:51.58 | Vasistha | me_: they can last many years |
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| 02:52.23 | muhoo | cafuego: not according to the manpage, there aren't |
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| 02:52.30 | Vasistha | itchi: ...but if I plug in a wheel mouse, the scroll wheel doesn't work :P |
| 02:52.32 | Inazad | Someone know how to use airpelay ? |
| 02:52.44 | Ronin | Inazad: tell us what it is? |
| 02:52.48 | Vasistha | itchi: anyway, let me pastebin the relevant parts... |
| 02:52.49 | slew | what do i need to download to get .wmv files to play? |
| 02:53.01 | Gnea | slew: mplayer |
| 02:53.07 | Gnea | !mplayer |
| 02:53.08 | dpkg | from memory, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 02:53.14 | itchi | Vasistha: Yup :-) I also make an big not a bout this buggy thing |
| 02:53.23 | Inazad | Ronin, to increase the traffic between 2 cpu |
| 02:53.26 | slew | id rather use vlc but it wont let me install it |
| 02:53.38 | Gnea | yeah, testing sucks |
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| 02:53.55 | linux2 | anyone here know how to compile a kernel |
| 02:54.00 | linux2 | i followed a bunch of steps |
| 02:54.07 | Gnea | yeah |
| 02:54.08 | linux2 | and all i get is a kernel panic |
| 02:54.12 | Ronin | linux2: you dont like debian kernels? |
| 02:54.13 | Gnea | what steps? |
| 02:54.21 | linux2 | Ronin, they are broken |
| 02:54.29 | linux2 | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 02:54.31 | me_ | linux2, broken how so? |
| 02:54.32 | Ronin | linux2: debian kernels are broken? explain please |
| 02:54.34 | Gnea | linux2: no, your hardware just sucks |
| 02:54.37 | Ronin | Gnea: heh |
| 02:54.49 | Gnea | wow, can anyone hit google.com? |
| 02:54.58 | linux2 | Ronin, well on multiple machines i have had issues with certain modules being broken |
| 02:55.03 | Ronin | Gnea: yep |
| 02:55.08 | Gnea | weird |
| 02:55.09 | linux2 | Ronin, cpqarray and acpi |
| 02:55.12 | Gnea | it's timing out here |
| 02:55.18 | linux2 | well anyways |
| 02:55.42 | linux2 | my specific error is "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs' |
| 02:55.54 | Gnea | er, right |
| 02:55.55 | linux2 | then it goes down a couple of lines with problems related to that |
| 02:56.00 | linux2 | and then kernel panic |
| 02:56.08 | Gnea | linux2: sounds like you didn't compile something into the kernel right |
| 02:56.19 | Gnea | linux2: what did you change with menuconfig? |
| 02:56.40 | Vasistha | itchi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3260 |
| 02:56.41 | linux2 | Gnea, a bunch of stuff |
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| 02:56.56 | Gnea | linux2: can you be anymore vague? |
| 02:56.56 | centrx | Is there a way to discover someone's ISP? Whois seems to give the top-level owners of the IP range |
| 02:57.07 | linux2 | Gnea, well i changed so much i have no idea what it was exactly |
| 02:57.12 | linux2 | you want the config file? |
| 02:57.15 | itchi | Vasistha: Oh cool, many thanks man :-) |
| 02:57.17 | Gnea | centrx: look at the domain? |
| 02:57.27 | Gnea | linux2: sure, paste it somewhere |
| 02:57.28 | Gnea | !paster |
| 02:57.28 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:57.29 | Vasistha | itchi: at some point I would like to get myself on the 2.6 kernel, and get the fancy synaptics features working, and get an external usb mouse working with a scroll wheel. when there's time perhaps I will! |
| 02:57.51 | Gnea | linux2: what kernel version, btw? |
| 02:57.53 | centrx | I only have the IP |
| 02:58.06 | Gnea | centrx: so reverse it |
| 02:58.20 | Vasistha | itchi: however, I have PERMANENTLY GIVEN UP on: acpi and alsa |
| 02:58.27 | linux2 | Gnea, 2.6.17 |
| 02:58.31 | Gnea | ok |
| 02:58.54 | centrx | ahh, of course |
| 02:59.04 | muhoo | cafuego: i suspect some journalling screwup |
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| 02:59.12 | Vasistha | itchi: I'm also hoping to get external monitor output working the way I like at some point, although I'm actually concerned that that's related to acpi :-( |
| 02:59.13 | muhoo | it's an ext3 fs |
| 03:01.11 | linux2 | HOW CAN I COPY A FILE OVER SSH |
| 03:01.11 | linux2 | sorry caps |
| 03:01.19 | Gnea | scp |
| 03:01.50 | itchi | Vasistha: I have get my sound working, to tell you it was hell, a bit like the rest here on that laptop ;-) I had many troubles to know wich module exactly it was. Gona check it now, crap man that mouse are flashing ;-) |
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| 03:02.07 | linux2 | Gnea, humm it doesn't want to work |
| 03:02.11 | linux2 | maybe my syntax? |
| 03:02.16 | Gnea | which is? |
| 03:02.45 | linux2 | scp will@192.168.1.155:.config |
| 03:02.49 | Vasistha | itchi: yeah, the sound is a bitch ... although I think there's instructions on that web page I sent you, in case you ever need to do it again |
| 03:02.53 | Gnea | you need the path |
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| 03:03.11 | Gnea | scp will@192.168.1.155:/path/to/.config <target> |
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| 03:03.32 | Gnea | scp will@192.168.1.155:/usr/src/linux/.config . |
| 03:03.37 | Gnea | something likke that |
| 03:04.31 | linux2 | Gnea, im getting. "not a regular file" |
| 03:04.45 | itchi | Vasistha: I have follow the infor of dpkg about it, and loaded the module es1688 and working :-) |
| 03:04.46 | Gnea | linux2: you're probably not setting the right path |
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| 03:05.21 | Gnea | user@host:/path/to/file <destination directory> |
| 03:05.41 | Vasistha | itchi: good job :-) and it sure sounds wonderful, those speakers are a dream |
| 03:05.51 | linux2 | Gnea, ok here. scp will@192.168.1.155:/usr/src/linux-2.6.17/.config /home/will |
| 03:05.54 | linux2 | this returns |
| 03:06.16 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.31 | itchi | Vasistha: The sound realy sound nice i find, if i compare to some other laptop, i get here good stereo aslo :-) |
| 03:06.33 | Gnea | see, the path is wrong |
| 03:06.42 | Gnea | ls -l /usr/src/ again |
| 03:06.46 | Gnea | make sure you get it right |
| 03:06.54 | linux2 | Gnea, i found that by doing tab |
| 03:07.06 | GaiaX11 | How do I identify my nick in a channel? |
| 03:07.16 | Gnea | GaiaX11: /msg nickserv help |
| 03:07.23 | Gnea | linux2: tab isn't going to help |
| 03:07.36 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: it's probably the same in every channel, unless you're on multiple servers |
| 03:07.37 | Gnea | not in this situation |
| 03:07.41 | linux2 | Gnea, there is no way the path is wrong |
| 03:07.44 | Vasistha | GaiaX11: (servers = networks) |
| 03:08.04 | Gnea | linux2: i am willing to bet you money that it is. |
| 03:08.30 | Vasistha | linux2: ssh onto the box and find it that way |
| 03:08.53 | linux2 | ls -l in /usr/src/linux-2.6.17/ |
| 03:08.58 | linux2 | shows a ton of results |
| 03:09.04 | Gnea | ok, i have to run some errand, i'll bbl |
| 03:09.05 | Vasistha | linux2: ls -lA .config |
| 03:09.14 | GaiaX11 | Gnea: I am on multiple channels |
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| 03:09.26 | linux2 | Vasistha, shows up |
| 03:09.27 | Gnea | GaiaX11: /msg nickserv help |
| 03:09.32 | Vasistha | linux2: but make sure you are logged into 192.168.1.155 via ssh when you do that!! |
| 03:09.57 | Vasistha | :-) |
| 03:11.33 | linux2 | Vasistha, won't let me connect |
| 03:11.39 | linux2 | permission denied |
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| 03:12.26 | Vasistha | linux2: well... if you can't ssh in, I don't think you're going to be able to scp, either |
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| 03:12.34 | mnguyen | Is there any way to check if my nvidia drivers and open are setup correctly? |
| 03:12.35 | linux2 | ok here is the link to the config |
| 03:12.52 | linux2 | http://rpmmaker.net/2.6.17.config |
| 03:13.10 | Agrajag- | gday, in testing there seems to be a 2.6.16 kernel, but when i see http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 it says "trying to update linux-2.6 from 2.6.15-8 to 2.6.17-4". why is it 2.6.15-8 there when 2.6.16 is in testing? |
| 03:13.11 | itchi | Vasistha: Thanks again; i have read back the stuff; gona test now some things. I still shh ; screen -x irssi So i will still here but gona restart laptop ... |
| 03:13.21 | Vasistha | linux2: you might need to use the -l login_name parameter |
| 03:13.48 | linux2 | Vasistha, got it, thanks |
| 03:13.53 | Vasistha | itchi: ah, you have an ssh server? nice. I'm hoping to have one of those soon :-) |
| 03:14.05 | linux2 | now i just need Gnea to download the file |
| 03:14.06 | Agrajag- | and linux-kernel-headers seems to be at 2.6.17 in testing - what's going on? is 2.6.17 going to be in soon? i cna't figure it out |
| 03:14.07 | linux2 | and take a look |
| 03:14.11 | linux2 | i don't know what the problem is |
| 03:14.13 | Vasistha | itchi: unfortunately I may not be around much longer, not feeling too well |
| 03:14.38 | itchi | Vasistha: Near every comp have one here ;-) |
| 03:15.02 | itchi | Vasistha: To usefull and i'm to crazy so i use encrypted things :-) |
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| 03:17.37 | linux2 | Gnea, anything? |
| 03:17.44 | linux2 | Gnea, i don't see what could be wrong |
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| 03:19.36 | linux2 | anyone |
| 03:20.03 | cafuego | I'm anyone! |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 03:20.51 | itchi | linux2: Are you allowed to copy that config file as normal user? Make first a copy of it in the /tmp; chown it then try again |
| 03:21.15 | cafuego | abotman: botslap |
| 03:21.40 | linux2 | http://rpmmaker.net/2.6.17.config |
| 03:21.47 | linux2 | itchi, i was able to copy it |
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| 03:22.04 | itchi | linux2: Oeps; i have miss a part ;-) |
| 03:22.40 | mrec_ | does anyone have an em28xx device in here? (pinnacle hybrid pro, hauppauge hvr 900, terratec hybrid xs)? |
| 03:23.26 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 03:23.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:23.50 | mrec_ | I already asked |
| 03:24.18 | Vasistha | "Don't ask [...] if anyone uses it" |
| 03:24.39 | mrec_ | I have no problem with it, I just want someone to try a livecd for that device .. I wrote the driver for it .. |
| 03:24.48 | mrec_ | people who were able to install it know about the experimental code |
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| 03:25.28 | Vasistha | mrec_: ahh, well that's awesome of you ... if I were you, I'd make it more of an announcement than a question "does anyone have X?" because a lot of us are conditioned to ignore those questions |
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| 03:26.09 | mrec_ | it's just I'm missing an empty cd here for creating the livecd for that usb tv tuner |
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| 03:26.45 | mrec_ | just wonder about the size .. 7 MB :) |
| 03:29.51 | linux2 | i don't see an option for devfs |
| 03:30.05 | mrec_ | linux2: what kernel? |
| 03:30.10 | mrec_ | devfs has been removed |
| 03:30.20 | linux2 | mrec, well then how am i supposed to boot? |
| 03:30.22 | linux2 | humm?? |
| 03:30.30 | linux2 | if it wants to always mount devfs at boot |
| 03:30.33 | mrec_ | what kernel version? |
| 03:30.37 | linux2 | 2.6.17 |
| 03:30.39 | linux2 | latest |
| 03:30.48 | mrec_ | wrong init scripts? |
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| 03:32.18 | linux2 | mrec, http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 03:32.21 | linux2 | i did all that |
| 03:33.19 | mrec_ | you upgraded from a <2.6.15 kernel right? |
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| 03:34.20 | mrec_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.27 | mrec_ | (anyway I have to go now...) |
| 03:34.30 | mrec_ | bye |
| 03:34.40 | linux2 | ughh |
| 03:35.36 | itchi | Vasistha: I thing a forget to tell, Now that it's hotter weather, with the fan running, i discover that the computer still goes hotter to hotter after long long time, now he is on 72 C |
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| 03:37.12 | itchi | Vasistha: At long time it will still killed i guess. Here the weather temp is now on 27,5C 05:39 am |
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| 03:43.04 | simonrvn | holy |
| 03:43.25 | jetscreamer | holy tacoshit batman |
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| 03:43.54 | nopalin | whats NAS.... Network Audio System, or Nessus Attack Scripting ?? |
| 03:44.36 | itchi | nopalin: Not An Stuppid?? |
| 03:44.45 | nopalin | what? |
| 03:44.54 | nopalin | :s |
| 03:44.59 | nopalin | you kidding |
| 03:45.04 | itchi | pp yeah :-) |
| 03:45.18 | nopalin | hmm can you tell what is NAS? |
| 03:45.49 | stew | nopalin: network attached storage? what is the context? |
| 03:45.51 | itchi | !NAS |
| 03:45.52 | dpkg | i guess nas is a network audio system, a lot like esound with special features, like a module wich can hijack your /dev/dsp on clients. (libaudiooss/http://www.mo.himolde.no/~knan/linux.html). Network Attached Storage |
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| 03:46.24 | itchi | Just find that also ;-) |
| 03:47.18 | nopalin | i try to install gaim, after configure script it says NAS support, no |
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| 03:47.30 | nopalin | well, i try to compile gaim |
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| 03:47.57 | itchi | nopalin: Know you a bit more what to tell him before recompile? |
| 03:48.23 | nopalin | to tel him? |
| 03:48.26 | nopalin | to gaim? |
| 03:48.56 | itchi | nopalin: Yeah to gaim, like you gona to recompile ... |
| 03:49.17 | nopalin | no i dont |
| 03:49.56 | itchi | nopalin: So no need to recompile, check the ./configure first ?? |
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| 03:50.08 | nopalin | this is first compile |
| 03:50.14 | nopalin | i want to try gaim 2.0 beta 3 |
| 03:50.15 | computer13137 | Quick question. How do I rebuild the locate db? So locate can find new files? |
| 03:50.32 | itchi | nopalin: If you re re re compile, probably it will not help you lol |
| 03:50.34 | nopalin | computer13137: sudo updatedb |
| 03:50.42 | computer13137 | nopalin: Thanks. |
| 03:50.46 | computer13137 | Bye all, thanks. :) |
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| 03:51.33 | nopalin | it will not? you mean, wont? |
| 03:51.52 | nopalin | sorry, im in englishs classes, so will not doesnt exist |
| 03:52.30 | itchi | nopalin: So i not, i try to manage 3 languages without many schooool experience :-/ |
| 03:52.36 | cafuego | nopalin: Any reason to not just use a precompiled 2.0b3 deb? |
| 03:52.56 | nopalin | cafuego: because i want to learn |
| 03:53.03 | itchi | s/So/Sorry/ |
| 03:53.15 | cafuego | Ah yes, that logic. |
| 03:53.18 | nopalin | itchi: thats good, but i want to learn sounds... |
| 03:53.22 | cafuego | Never mind me then. |
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| 03:53.44 | itchi | nopalin: Look's not realy english what you tell; but no matters ... |
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| 03:53.47 | nopalin | well, i think i can compile gaim without that option |
| 03:54.17 | nopalin | itchi: ?? isnt english what i say? |
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| 03:54.26 | nopalin | itchi: im confused |
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| 03:54.46 | itchi | nopalin: Not realy clear for me :-p |
| 03:55.15 | itchi | <nopalin> itchi: thats good, but i want to learn sounds... |
| 03:55.16 | nopalin | jeje, maybe also for many people |
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| 03:55.35 | nopalin | you speak 3 languages.. do you speak spanish? |
| 03:56.07 | itchi | nopalin: Nope, Dutch, French, (Dialect Brussels) and English |
| 03:56.16 | S2AnGeL | I been trying to mount my usb harddrive to a 2.4 debian server.. not having much luck.. tryed looking to see it that its not formated .. cfdisk /dev/sdX no luck is it called say usb1 or something like that by any chance.. is there a command I can type to show what I got on my usb |
| 03:56.19 | nopalin | are u european? |
| 03:56.19 | cafuego | itchi: no german? |
| 03:56.31 | nopalin | ducth = german, really? |
| 03:56.38 | nopalin | dutch* |
| 03:56.49 | itchi | cafuego: No, i manage already enought lol. Have already some troubles enought with that English lol |
| 03:57.01 | S2AnGeL | dutch is confusing to me and I speak german |
| 03:57.01 | itchi | nopalin: Deutch == Dutch |
| 03:57.03 | cafuego | itchi: Ah joh, zo moeilijk is ut niet ;-) |
| 03:57.12 | itchi | nopalin: arg is NOT i mean |
| 03:57.23 | simonrvn | != |
| 03:57.35 | nopalin | haha, i dont understand |
| 03:57.40 | itchi | simonrvn: Yup, that laptop keyboard ;-) |
| 03:57.59 | itchi | nopalin: Deutch != Dutch It are diff languages |
| 03:58.04 | cafuego | nopalin: Es ist ganz einfach. |
| 03:58.14 | S2AnGeL | is there a command anyone know of to show whats on my usb? |
| 03:58.23 | cafuego | S2AnGeL: ;lsusb' |
| 03:58.27 | S2AnGeL | thanks |
| 03:58.39 | itchi | cafuego: I not want to be are ... but s/ut/u/ |
| 03:58.42 | cafuego | S2AnGeL: A disk will virtually always be /dev/sdX |
| 03:58.44 | nopalin | cafuego: i only speak good spanish and bad english |
| 03:59.05 | cafuego | itchi: Dat was eigenlijk een alternatieve spelling van 'het'. |
| 03:59.15 | itchi | S2AnGeL: lsusb |
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| 03:59.51 | S2AnGeL | lsusb got it .. yah it just shows 4 bus devices I am guessing I forgot to plug the thing in before I left ... ugh |
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| 04:00.05 | itchi | cafuego: Ik ben Belg, hehe en ben gene Hollander ;-) |
| 04:01.06 | itchi | S2AnGeL: There are some switches that can interest you btw, try the --help on it |
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| 04:07.08 | muhoo | what's the debian way to force a whole new mysql database install? |
| 04:07.20 | muhoo | will dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server do it? |
| 04:07.26 | wut | what do i do if i run into this "Errors were encountered while processing:/var/cache/apt/archives/libcomedi-0.7.22_0.7.22-2.2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
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| 04:14.00 | mtomczak | Hello everyone! I've just acquired a USB-to-MIDI converter, and I'm looking to configure it to work with Linux via the JACK music server. I don't think JACK is seeing the MIDI device... |
| 04:14.31 | mtomczak | Does anyone know how to test this hypothesis? If my USB-to-MIDI converter were configured correctly, what WOULD I see under JACK? |
| 04:18.10 | pmv | .. quiet here.. |
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| 04:20.13 | wut | aside from k3b what's a good cd burning program? |
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| 04:22.16 | freeone3000 | cdrecord |
| 04:25.20 | wobbler | gnomebaker works good for me |
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| 04:31.56 | keram | how do i get sound working? |
| 04:31.58 | keram | its not working |
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| 04:32.40 | itchi | keram: Try "/msg dpkg sound" |
| 04:32.50 | S2AnGeL | thanks guys I learned a new command today |
| 04:32.53 | itchi | keram: The interested part is that alsq |
| 04:33.02 | itchi | keram: oeps alsa |
| 04:33.07 | S2AnGeL | take care .. long live debian |
| 04:33.13 | itchi | S2AnGeL: Which one? |
| 04:33.14 | S2AnGeL | lsusb |
| 04:33.17 | keram | huh? |
| 04:33.19 | itchi | S2AnGeL: hhhmm |
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| 04:33.33 | itchi | !sound |
| 04:33.33 | dpkg | from memory, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 04:34.17 | keram | !audio |
| 04:34.17 | dpkg | from memory, audio is ask me about <alsa one-liner> or if you are running a 2.4 kernel, <2.4 alsa one-liner> |
| 04:34.28 | keram | !alsa one-liner |
| 04:34.29 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 04:34.47 | itchi | !tell keram -about selftell |
| 04:35.08 | itchi | keram: Follow what he tell, it's very usefull to get some info's |
| 04:35.12 | roxy_ | my router only gives address from 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.255, eh0 is set up to use dhcp. However eth0 address is 169.254.45.xxx . How is it possible ? |
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| 04:35.41 | itchi | keram: So that when you need somethings ex: /msg dpkg tar |
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| 04:35.48 | keram | ok |
| 04:36.05 | keram | i'm doing the one liner |
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| 04:36.44 | itchi | keram: I guess you need to go on that wiki, one liner is for those experienced users that have forget the exact way ... |
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| 04:37.13 | keram | ok |
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| 04:37.35 | itchi | roxy_: Give you ISP an ip? |
| 04:38.40 | roxy_ | itchi: don't understand what you mean ! |
| 04:38.48 | itchi | roxy_: Get you an ip of isp?? |
| 04:39.27 | roxy_ | my router get an ip from my isp. Then pb happens inside my lan, from router to my box |
| 04:39.28 | itchi | roxy_: That box, is been connected to that router? |
| 04:39.34 | roxy_ | yes |
| 04:40.01 | itchi | roxy_: Have you always get that touble or is it just now? |
| 04:40.12 | roxy_ | itchi: just for a week or so |
| 04:40.32 | itchi | roxy_: There is not another dhcp server in your network? |
| 04:40.57 | roxy_ | no, just my home box, my gf mac , and wireless ap |
| 04:41.08 | keram | in alsa mixer how do i unmute it? |
| 04:41.29 | roxy_ | keram: M or space to toggle |
| 04:41.34 | itchi | keram: Press the 'm' key in alsamixer on the right one |
| 04:42.22 | itchi | keram: As root user, the main an the PCM i think need to be unmute, you see there an M when it's mut |
| 04:42.37 | itchi | roxy_: Have you try to restart the network on that computer? |
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| 04:42.45 | roxy_ | itchi: yes. |
| 04:43.00 | keram | okay it works |
| 04:43.31 | itchi | roxy_: Try to use an tool like Ethereal or so? To see from where you get that ip?? |
| 04:43.44 | keram | thanks :] |
| 04:43.58 | itchi | keram: Sound working ? |
| 04:44.07 | Natman | I'm trying to setup exim4 to allow clients to use TLS. I've read the README, etc, but exim just doesn't advertise TLS support after the EHLO. |
| 04:44.10 | dj_ryan | ok, the jerk with the / on raid1 is back. |
| 04:44.30 | cafuego | I have / on raid1, don't mock it. |
| 04:44.34 | dj_ryan | well |
| 04:44.38 | cafuego | Now / on raid0... |
| 04:44.42 | dj_ryan | i used to have / on raid1 |
| 04:45.02 | dj_ryan | then i decided my peacemeal upgraded-over-10-years debian was fuxored |
| 04:45.09 | roxy_ | itchi: thanks |
| 04:45.16 | dj_ryan | and now im using the etch daily cdrom to try installation on radi1 |
| 04:45.21 | cafuego | forgot to fix the lilo raid-extra-boot? ;-) |
| 04:45.24 | dj_ryan | works great, until i reboot when the problems... start. |
| 04:45.25 | itchi | roxy_: Find the trouble? |
| 04:45.31 | dj_ryan | cafuego, using grub. |
| 04:45.37 | cafuego | aah |
| 04:45.47 | cafuego | lemme see |
| 04:45.49 | roxy_ | itchi: no yes, googling Ethereal, never head of it before |
| 04:45.50 | dj_ryan | i have /boot (50 mb) |
| 04:45.54 | cafuego | the other box here might be using grub |
| 04:45.59 | roxy_ | s/yes/yet |
| 04:46.03 | linux_manju | reboot the PC do an arp -a and check the mac address.. If not anything u will get to know the manufacturer its assosciated with |
| 04:46.14 | dj_ryan | basically what happens is on start up, mdrun fails with 'device or resource busy' for /dev/hda5 (first raid partition) |
| 04:46.30 | keram | yep :] |
| 04:46.46 | itchi | roxy_: It's an GUI tool for networking, yeah there are other stuff but i find that nice and it's an GUI. Not that i not like cli apps, but just that i like more that Ethereal app :-) |
| 04:47.21 | cafuego | dj_ryan: Boot up the old kernel; make sure the raid device is in a consistent state, then "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-..." to recreate the initrd. Long shot, but might work. |
| 04:47.26 | itchi | roxy_: Begin to install it, an use it; the best way to learn, it's not an such complicated tool |
| 04:47.32 | dj_ryan | cafuego, there is no old kernel. |
| 04:47.43 | cafuego | Eh |
| 04:47.50 | dj_ryan | i wiped the system clean |
| 04:47.58 | dj_ryan | data was moved off / |
| 04:48.02 | cafuego | SO it's a fresh install? |
| 04:48.03 | dj_ryan | and i am working as a brand new install |
| 04:48.03 | dj_ryan | yes |
| 04:48.18 | cafuego | Is the partition type on hda5 set up right, to raid autostart? |
| 04:48.24 | dj_ryan | yes |
| 04:48.30 | dj_ryan | and mdadm attempts to start it |
| 04:48.35 | dj_ryan | but |
| 04:48.40 | dj_ryan | mount /dev/hda1 /root |
| 04:48.42 | dj_ryan | fails |
| 04:48.46 | cafuego | can you run off the cd and manually start the raid device? |
| 04:49.05 | dj_ryan | yeah it gets started during the installation |
| 04:49.09 | dj_ryan | there is something conflicting badly |
| 04:49.14 | itchi | roxy_: The goal in your case is to sniff the traffic when you restart the network. To see from where you get that ip |
| 04:49.17 | dj_ryan | i installed onto /dev/hda w/o raid and everything worked. |
| 04:49.29 | dj_ryan | my leading theory was hardware conflict but |
| 04:49.36 | dj_ryan | i dont have any proof of that... |
| 04:50.02 | Natman | silly question, but the resource busy with hda5 almost sounds like you've set root=/dev/hda5 instead of root=/dev/mdX in lilo... ? |
| 04:50.15 | dj_ryan | natman, im not using lilo but using grub. |
| 04:50.20 | Natman | okay, grub... |
| 04:50.23 | dj_ryan | also this is a _fresh fresh_ install using the netinst CD |
| 04:50.59 | dj_ryan | the only manual thing is i set up the partition setup and raid1 using the 'set up partition manually' feature of the menu-driven partitioner (which is quite good btw) |
| 04:51.27 | Natman | hmm, that's strange. I just did 2 installs with / on raid1 this week. |
| 04:51.31 | dj_ryan | really |
| 04:51.35 | dj_ryan | well lesse |
| 04:51.41 | dj_ryan | nforce2 ide chipset |
| 04:51.45 | itchi | Where we can get informations of these 'acpi=on' options like this line kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro vga=771 acpi=on |
| 04:52.04 | dj_ryan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.07 | dj_ryan | what else |
| 04:52.28 | dj_ryan | i must be doing something wrong here |
| 04:52.49 | Natman | Oh, you're using Etch? |
| 04:52.52 | dj_ryan | yes |
| 04:53.01 | Natman | ah... I only install Sarge on our severs :) |
| 04:53.11 | dj_ryan | does sarge have apache2? |
| 04:53.14 | Natman | yup |
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| 04:53.34 | computer13137 | Hello |
| 04:53.36 | computer13137 | Quick question. |
| 04:53.40 | itchi | Is that the kernel boot options? |
| 04:53.40 | computer13137 | How do I refresh the locate db? |
| 04:53.44 | dj_ryan | maybe i should insall sarge and upgrade to etch heh |
| 04:53.53 | computer13137 | I forgot again... I know it's really simple.. |
| 04:53.57 | lunitik | computer13137: updatedb as root? |
| 04:53.58 | itchi | computer13137: The same command as an hour ago updatedb |
| 04:54.06 | computer13137 | Ah, lol |
| 04:54.08 | computer13137 | Thanks again : |
| 04:54.10 | computer13137 | :p |
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| 04:54.27 | itchi | lol, write it down :-p |
| 04:54.52 | lunitik | itchi: he already left... I was going to tell him the same thing :( |
| 04:54.56 | dj_ryan | so im more or less stuck at this point |
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| 04:55.04 | lunitik | itchi: although minus the part where you need to write |
| 04:55.09 | dj_ryan | but i refuse to beleive that the etch installer is so borked that isntall on raid1 doesnt work |
| 04:55.15 | dj_ryan | something must be fucked with my hardware/ |
| 04:55.17 | dj_ryan | majorly |
| 04:55.33 | dj_ryan | yet |
| 04:55.39 | dj_ryan | *sigh* |
| 04:55.46 | lunitik | itchi: echo "update db - update locate's database" > stupidquestions ... then use >> from then on... |
| 04:55.57 | roxy_ | itchi: when I use dhclient to restart the interface, I got a proper 192.168.1.xxx address. How can I switch to admin mode with ethereal ? |
| 04:56.17 | itchi | roxy_: You need to run it as root user |
| 04:56.33 | lunitik | dj_ryan: nvidia doesn't provide open source drivers ... and doesn't publish any specs ... |
| 04:56.40 | itchi | lunitik: Yeah ;-) But i understand him a bit, i have also an little head ;-) |
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| 04:56.55 | lunitik | dj_ryan: try Ubuntu, I hear they're cool with distributing illegal things... |
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| 04:57.03 | dj_ryan | lunitik, yet, installation w/o raid works fine. |
| 04:57.12 | roxy_ | itchi: how do I get a gui in root ? |
| 04:57.22 | lunitik | dj_ryan: nforce raid card? |
| 04:57.28 | dj_ryan | no |
| 04:57.33 | dj_ryan | software raid1 |
| 04:58.07 | itchi | roxy_: Moment |
| 04:58.22 | lunitik | dj_ryan: raid on a desktop? or etch as a server :/ |
| 04:58.48 | dj_ryan | er |
| 04:58.52 | itchi | roxy_: Just type ethereal as root user |
| 04:58.55 | dj_ryan | whats wrong with raid on a desktop |
| 04:59.00 | dj_ryan | its a server more or less |
| 04:59.01 | dj_ryan | dunno |
| 04:59.17 | lunitik | dj_ryan: nothing I guess... just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me |
| 04:59.17 | dj_ryan | its my own personal server |
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| 04:59.23 | vessial | who can tell me the source list i can update the linux-image-2.6.12,thanks |
| 04:59.26 | dj_ryan | i want raid for obvious reasons |
| 04:59.30 | dj_ryan | and i want newer s/w |
| 04:59.38 | vessial | i find a long time ,but i cann't find it where is it |
| 04:59.40 | lunitik | vessial: I can tell you how to get 2.6.16? |
| 04:59.52 | vessial | lunitik: ok,thanks |
| 05:00.01 | vessial | lunitik:where is it? |
| 05:00.11 | lunitik | !tell vessial about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 05:00.17 | itchi | dj_ryan: It's an bad idea to use RAID1, like that one is for security, mirroring hdd; but on an desktop most time user runs Etch on it. Safety you not realy have with Etch |
| 05:00.26 | dj_ryan | sigh |
| 05:00.28 | roxy_ | itchi: can't open display |
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| 05:00.30 | dj_ryan | raid1 = mirroring no? |
| 05:00.43 | itchi | roxy_: How so? You do it at distance or so? |
| 05:00.51 | dj_ryan | im protecting myself from hard disk failures silly. |
| 05:00.51 | lunitik | itchi: umm... etch has a security repo :/ |
| 05:00.53 | vessial | lunitik: thank you nice guy |
| 05:00.54 | dj_ryan | not software failures. |
| 05:01.09 | dj_ryan | i've had debian for 10 years, im not really afraid of "safety" which apparently etch does not have (not true) |
| 05:01.10 | itchi | dj_ryan: I mean, Etch can break many quicker as Stable ;-) |
| 05:01.16 | roxy_ | itchi: no, I su to root. It never can open display in that case. |
| 05:01.22 | dj_ryan | enh |
| 05:01.24 | itchi | dj_ryan: Yeah mirroing |
| 05:01.29 | dj_ryan | in case you havent figure it out |
| 05:01.44 | dj_ryan | i've always run unstable |
| 05:01.53 | dj_ryan | besides which mythtv doesnt run on sarge |
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| 05:02.08 | itchi | roxy_: No, but for Ethereal you need it. It's like when you want change the config of the network; you not do that as normal user. Ethereal is not for normal users btw |
| 05:02.30 | itchi | roxy_: Or use sudo ethereal |
| 05:02.35 | dj_ryan | k |
| 05:02.40 | lunitik | dj_ryan: you install etch via the testing installer? |
| 05:02.41 | dj_ryan | conclusion is: raid1 + etch = no worky |
| 05:02.51 | dj_ryan | yes, via the daily and beta2 |
| 05:03.03 | itchi | roxy_: But you have not respond. Do you that at distance? |
| 05:03.34 | lunitik | roxy_: as root "startx -- :1" for a temp gui... |
| 05:03.38 | itchi | roxy_: Go physicaly on that box; default you can not use root apps trought shh |
| 05:03.40 | itchi | ssh |
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| 05:03.57 | lunitik | itchi: ssh -Y :/ |
| 05:04.07 | lunitik | itchi: quit babling bullshit |
| 05:04.17 | itchi | lunitik: What?? |
| 05:04.45 | lunitik | itchi: every time I read one of your "answers" its wrong :/ |
| 05:05.13 | itchi | lunitik: Because it's you that are wrong man! Say me that im' wrong lol! |
| 05:05.20 | dj_ryan | well |
| 05:05.25 | dj_ryan | you claim that etch is "dangerously unstable" |
| 05:05.34 | dj_ryan | and all my data is at risk |
| 05:05.38 | dj_ryan | which is patentedly false |
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| 05:05.55 | KaOzx | Hi |
| 05:05.55 | itchi | lunitik: Learn a bit your system and try to run an app with ssh as root user IT will not work, or you have an fucking bad configured system!!! |
| 05:06.05 | dj_ryan | meaning that everyone who runs etch on anything other than a test box is a total freaking idiot. as if. |
| 05:06.17 | dj_ryan | lunitik fix me! |
| 05:06.18 | dj_ryan | heh |
| 05:06.57 | wut | what kind of filesystem is an mp3 player? |
| 05:07.13 | itchi | fck man; i run Etch on every Desktop box! Stable for servers an RAID1 ! Where it need to be stable, but cry when you Testing RAID1 gona break, i will have many lol |
| 05:07.16 | lunitik | wut: just get a player that supports it... and plug it in |
| 05:07.41 | wut | you still have to mount it |
| 05:07.43 | dj_ryan | sigh |
| 05:07.48 | dj_ryan | dude |
| 05:08.01 | lunitik | wut: you almost never mount audio things |
| 05:08.13 | itchi | lunitik: Ugh |
| 05:08.15 | wut | i've mounted it before |
| 05:08.31 | itchi | lunitik: He talk about mp3 files, not an audio cd |
| 05:08.32 | roxy_ | itchi: It is not distant. I need to go to work. I'll finish this evening. Do you think they maybe some security issue ? |
| 05:08.40 | KaOzx | I´m in Windows XP. How can i prepare a pendrive (mp3 player) to boot the minimal image of debian and to make an installation by network? |
| 05:08.53 | lunitik | itchi: he said mp3 player :/ |
| 05:09.06 | itchi | roxy_: No default it's set so that you not can run GUI apps as root user |
| 05:09.24 | itchi | roxy_: You need to bypass it |
| 05:09.30 | peterS | wut: typically vfat, I believe |
| 05:09.54 | itchi | lunitik: Yeah, i imagine an audio cd in his mp3 player lol |
| 05:09.54 | dj_ryan | vfat |
| 05:09.58 | dj_ryan | is good |
| 05:11.10 | itchi | roxy_: Have you an Desktop environment on that computer? Look in the 'start menu' there is an item to click to run Ethereal as root user, to take it simply |
| 05:13.08 | lunitik | peterS: vfat on an mp3 player? that doesn't sound like a good design decision? (users moving things around a lot would result is fragmented drive...) |
| 05:13.10 | wut | itchi, FAT: bogus number of reserved sectorsVFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sde. |
| 05:13.21 | wut | what else could it be? |
| 05:13.45 | peterS | lunitik: I believe you're confusing a spec with an implementation. there's no reason for FAT to fragment faster than, say, xfs |
| 05:13.47 | itchi | wut: Is there one on? But try to look to the /proc/partitions |
| 05:14.15 | peterS | wut: yeah does sde have a partition table? there may be a /dev/sde1 |
| 05:14.32 | peterS | some flash memory drives ship with partition tables, some don't |
| 05:14.33 | roxy_ | itchi: yes much easier. I need to go now. Do you think there are security issues ? |
| 05:14.42 | itchi | roxy_: No |
| 05:14.56 | roxy_ | itchi: thanks, I tackle the pb this evenning. |
| 05:15.09 | itchi | roxy_: It's to get it secured? its been secured like in need on your system, dont worry ;-) |
| 05:15.39 | itchi | oeps, that was 'tried' to type to quick :-p |
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| 05:17.10 | itchi | lunitik: Depend realy of the local config :-/ |
| 05:17.26 | wut | i was mounting the wrong thing |
| 05:17.28 | itchi | lunitik: Normally default it need to be auto mounted |
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| 05:17.32 | wut | sde instead of sde1 heh |
| 05:18.00 | lunitik | wut: that'd do it... heh |
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| 05:18.16 | jawd | whats the grep command to keep only the words that has "jawd" in it and rename the new file to x.txt |
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| 05:19.21 | itchi | jawd: cat file | grep jawd >> new_file without testing |
| 05:19.34 | peterS | jawd: 'keep only the words that has "jawd" in it'? what does that mean? |
| 05:19.44 | jawd | itchi got it |
| 05:19.44 | peterS | UUOC |
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| 05:20.05 | peterS | 'grep jawd filename > x.txt' is shorter and easier |
| 05:20.25 | itchi | peterS: I guessed without begining with jawd, i think that he mean that |
| 05:20.49 | itchi | peterS: I love to abuse with cat :-) I love my pousy :-) |
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| 05:22.27 | itchi | mayby i not getted an answer to my stupid question kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda8 ro vga=771 acpi=on that 'acpi=on' is that an boot option? |
| 05:22.40 | jawd | thanks |
| 05:23.18 | itchi | I want to know the different on/off/etc values. Need to do an search but i not know on which term i need to search lol |
| 05:23.39 | jawd | is Nessus free? |
| 05:23.51 | jawd | i can remote vulnerability scan with it? |
| 05:23.54 | itchi | !info nessus |
| 05:24.01 | dpkg | nessus: (Remote network security auditor, the client), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 225 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
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| 05:24.30 | itchi | jawd: Now try apt-cache show nessus |
| 05:25.03 | jawd | gimme a min, im nmap'ing 65535 ports |
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| 05:32.20 | itchi | Which or where i can find the differents options for 'acpi=on|off|force'? Or are that only the 3 possibilities? |
| 05:32.39 | itchi | Google are to long for that stupid question /-: |
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| 05:34.36 | Thunderguy | Anyone know what a problem like the Xserver saying 'module not found' while lsmod shows the module is running and modprobe shows the module is found? |
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| 05:35.25 | itchi | Thunderguy: Another module, not that video module not find?? |
| 05:35.48 | Thunderguy | itchi: It's this fglrx thing, the kernel module is running, but what module could X possibly be looking for? |
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| 05:36.22 | itchi | Thunderguy: I not know; depend of your xfree|xorg config file, try some tests?? #comments some suspected?? |
| 05:37.35 | Thunderguy | Yeah I had dexconf write it and my config is very simple to understand and everything seems in order if I replace 'fglrx' to 'ati' to use the opensource driver it works, but I need the fglrx driver because the opensource driver performs system wide crashes |
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| 05:39.59 | exter | hello, after 60 days of uptime, today postfix and ssh where down on my server... apache2 and forwarding was working... can't find anything in logs... could the cause be the heat ? it's verry hot this days |
| 05:40.02 | itchi | Thunderguy: I think you need to reboot that system if you have just set it up. Otherwise the module are not loader right |
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| 05:40.37 | itchi | exter: No, probably somethings goes wrong |
| 05:40.49 | Thunderguy | itchi: Yeah I did that, soon as I set it up I reboot then it couldn't find the module, I mean the system can find it, but X reports that it can't |
| 05:40.59 | itchi | exter: Or just these apps that crashed, or somethings that did these crashed |
| 05:41.11 | exter | itchi : how can i check ? |
| 05:41.32 | exter | itchi : server wes up for 60 days.. and not even an error.. |
| 05:41.50 | itchi | exter: Like you have tell, the log files, arg, i can tell, have you been look right? Sometimes it's only essential line :-/ |
| 05:42.17 | itchi | s/only/only one/ |
| 05:43.04 | itchi | Thunderguy: Are these other related modules and apps of fglx loaded|installed |
| 05:43.15 | exter | itchi : i checked mail logs.. nothing special.. where ssh keeps logs ? |
| 05:43.30 | itchi | exter: Same place as the other logs |
| 05:43.38 | Thunderguy | itchi: no idea, doesn't say anything about related modules, didn't know there were any others |
| 05:43.59 | exter | itchi : i think ssh logs to syslog.. and there is nothing about it there.. |
| 05:44.19 | itchi | Thunderguy: I not know exactly, but can you paste the whole error log? |
| 05:44.50 | itchi | exter: the Auth also |
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| 05:45.33 | itchi | exter: I have been an sshd.log |
| 05:45.36 | Thunderguy | (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) | Fatal Server Error: no screens found |
| 05:46.03 | exter | itchi : can i paste 2 lines ? |
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| 05:47.23 | exter | Jul 27 06:25:11 server su[7734]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 05:47.23 | exter | Jul 27 06:25:11 server su[7734]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 05:47.39 | exter | this is the only strange thing i can see |
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| 05:50.59 | jawd | how do I install a .deb file? |
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| 05:52.42 | exter | jawd: dpkg -i file |
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| 05:54.15 | jawd | do you guys know a direct link i can use to download nessus with WGET |
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| 05:54.25 | NaufraGo | is there any stealth port scanner for debian? |
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| 05:54.37 | exter | NaufraGo : nmap |
| 05:55.04 | exter | jawd: why don't you use apt-get for that ? |
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| 05:58.06 | peterS | NaufraGo: are you still trying to hax0r that server? |
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| 05:58.54 | vick | Is there a good webspider on debian ? |
| 05:58.58 | itchi | So everyone that disconnection i guess?? |
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| 06:00.36 | jawd | how can i lauch ftp server on my server? |
| 06:00.41 | jawd | start/launch |
| 06:00.49 | peterS | jawd: simple way is to set it up in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 06:01.02 | peterS | jawd: that works for most ftp server implementations, including I think all the ones in debian |
| 06:01.05 | itchi | jawd: /etc/init.d/ftp start|stop|restart |
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| 06:01.23 | jawd | sp4420a:/home/kod# /etc/init.d/ftp start |
| 06:01.23 | jawd | -bash: /etc/init.d/ftp: No such file or directory |
| 06:01.26 | peterS | itchi: have you tried that? |
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| 06:01.36 | itchi | peterS: Nope, ;-) |
| 06:01.42 | NiCeBoY | hello |
| 06:01.43 | peterS | itchi: please don't give advice that is unlikely to work |
| 06:01.47 | NiCeBoY | anyone can help me plz |
| 06:01.47 | NiCeBoY | ? |
| 06:01.47 | NiCeBoY | am geetting problem in setting up my APT in t he base config . by http can u help me plz? |
| 06:02.12 | itchi | ftpd i guess, if it's been installed; but yea depend if itt's proftp or whatever, i not been understand his question ;-) |
| 06:02.12 | peterS | NiCeBoY: you need to type about twice as many letters in order to form complete words and sentences. please keep that in mind. |
| 06:02.22 | jawd | peterS but i want to start ftp with a command now |
| 06:02.27 | itchi | NiCeBoY: apt-setup?? |
| 06:02.32 | peterS | jawd: you have to figure out which ftp server you have installed |
| 06:02.38 | peterS | there are several |
| 06:02.43 | NiCeBoY | yes itchi |
| 06:02.46 | jawd | how can i know |
| 06:02.50 | NiCeBoY | i wat it to get sources from http |
| 06:02.55 | NiCeBoY | now its from cd |
| 06:03.11 | itchi | jawd: lol |
| 06:03.15 | peterS | jawd: if you don't even know what software you installed, you need to find out. it's hard to run a server without knowing what's on it |
| 06:03.18 | stew | NiCeBoY: run apt-setup |
| 06:03.25 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 06:03.34 | peterS | jawd: you can use 'dpkg -l' to see what packages you installed, or 'aptitude' if you like that style better |
| 06:03.49 | jawd | ii wu-ftpd 2.6.2-20 powerful and widely used FTP server |
| 06:03.53 | itchi | peterS: He gona search for long time ;-) |
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| 06:04.23 | itchi | jawd: Have you just installed on ftp server?? Look to the log file of dpkg /var/log/dpkg |
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| 06:04.30 | Inazad | Hi there, someone can help me |
| 06:04.39 | itchi | arg, my typo day :-/ |
| 06:04.51 | Inazad | can you help me ? |
| 06:04.51 | itchi | Inazad: No |
| 06:05.01 | Inazad | seriously ? |
| 06:05.09 | itchi | Inazad: No in that way, tell what you want man ;-) |
| 06:05.09 | peterS | Inazad: not until we hear your question |
| 06:05.10 | jawd | theres no dir "dpkg" in /var/log |
| 06:05.11 | valdyn | Inazad: can you help me? |
| 06:05.11 | stew | Inazad: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 06:05.19 | Inazad | ;-) |
| 06:05.28 | itchi | jawd: It's an file ... |
| 06:05.37 | jawd | theres no such file too |
| 06:05.38 | wassim | Inazad: what's ur problem |
| 06:05.48 | Vasistha | itchi: sorry I was away when you sent that last message. Anyway, I've been using APM with linux for two years with this laptop and it works fine. Whenever it gets hot, it turns the fan on. But sometimes the fan won't turn on all day. I know from testing ACPI that the laptop will only power off if it gets up to about 95 C, so 72 C is fine -- but I don't know how you would know how hot it is without ACPI, and ... just don't run ACPI :-) |
| 06:06.08 | peterS | itchi: please don't give inaccurate advice. first, the file is called /var/log/dpkg.log, but second and more importantly, it's a new feature of dpkg, not present in sarge |
| 06:06.12 | wassim | hello Vasistha |
| 06:06.20 | Vasistha | wassim: ahh, hi there! |
| 06:06.40 | Inazad | I have installed an other distribution (WHAX / SLAX) from a live cd into "/dev/hda4/", I have edited my menu.lst of my grub directory but the distrib doesn't want to boot completely.. I don't know what to do... |
| 06:06.42 | NiCeBoY | stew when i do apt-setup am getting this "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" |
| 06:06.44 | itchi | Vasistha: No i have an hack for you, i get that fan always running :-) After i plug the power cable in after 5 mins when i power the comp on |
| 06:06.52 | peterS | itchi: it would be good if you would get into the habit of switching to another shell and verifying the accuracy of the advice you're about to give, before hitting Enter on your irc client. |
| 06:07.15 | stew | NiCeBoY: you have some other dpkg/apt/aptitude process running that needs to be quit before you run apt-setup |
| 06:07.34 | Vasistha | itchi: oh ... actually, there's an even better way. There is a kernel boot parameter you can pass that will make the fan always on. Me, I like it to be quiet, I love how APM hardly ever turns the fan on, so I prefer it that way |
| 06:07.57 | itchi | peterS: I'm in irssi lol, and not gona to open 36 things lol; im bussy |
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| 06:08.13 | peterS | itchi: then don't answer questions at all. inaccurate answers are worse than none. |
| 06:08.24 | Inazad | So, anyone can help me ? |
| 06:08.24 | NiCeBoY | ok stew i run ps x and see |
| 06:08.35 | peterS | itchi: I wouldn't be annoyed except that while I've watched you for the past 5 minutes, almost nothing you've said has been quite correct. |
| 06:08.40 | stew | NiCeBoY: "fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" would tell you the pid |
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| 06:08.58 | jawd | how do I know what OS im using exactly? |
| 06:09.01 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
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| 06:09.09 | itchi | Vasistha: That boot param not work. I have enable acpi in the bios; install acpi and plug the power cable in the comp affter 5 minutes; then the fan are always running |
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| 06:09.29 | itchi | peterS: Lol, he need to use his tab completion ;-) |
| 06:09.37 | Vasistha | itchi: weird. Well, whatever works for you! I'm curious, what is it that you like about acpi? |
| 06:09.38 | Ubuh-Huntuh | is there a linux command that shows what process is using a connection in "netstat -a" or which connection is using what process? |
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| 06:09.49 | valdyn | Ubuh-Huntuh: netstat -plunt |
| 06:09.49 | peterS | itchi: if you don't have time to make sure your answers are correct, or at least do the _minimum_ verification like checking FILE NAMES, you don't have time to sit on irc and answer questions. really. |
| 06:09.52 | flur | what deb package contains all the common c++ libs like stdio.h, netdb.h, socket.h etc? |
| 06:10.09 | valdyn | Ubuh-Huntuh: or netstat -punt for not just listening processes |
| 06:10.12 | peterS | itchi: don't blame the user for following your incorrect advice, that's lame. |
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| 06:10.25 | Inazad | I have installed an other distribution (WHAX / SLAX) from a live cd into "/dev/hda4/", I have edited my menu.lst of my grub directory but the distrib doesn't want to boot completely.. I don't know what to do... |
| 06:10.25 | nuubae | when installing Xorg do I need to install some sort of fonts? It's complaining that could not find fixed font |
| 06:10.31 | stew | flur: you probably want libc6-dev, but you probably just want to install: build-essential |
| 06:10.45 | wassim | Inazad: just try to reinstall it, |
| 06:10.53 | itchi | Vasistha: That the fan are always running man, and when it's running it goes hotter to hotter with this hot weater |
| 06:11.02 | peterS | itchi: we all make mistakes from time to time while helping users, but I don't like your attitude, which seems to be "oh well, if it's wrong, let them figure that out, I don't really care." that kind of help is _not_ helpful at all. |
| 06:11.20 | itchi | peterS: So i do 36 at the same time, and not my fault that the user no use his tab completion |
| 06:11.21 | Inazad | wassim, that's will not change.. I have tested 2 times.. |
| 06:11.22 | Vasistha | itchi: 27,5 C? Let's see, what is that in farenheight... |
| 06:11.43 | flur | stew: thanks! thats exactly what i wanted :P |
| 06:11.47 | peterS | itchi: I don't care if you do 3 or 36 at the same time. if you don't have time to give correct answers, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT ALL. so just stop doing it. |
| 06:11.50 | NiCeBoY | stew i open the file config.dat then what i should do plz? |
| 06:11.52 | wassim | Inazad: have you changed the lilo file |
| 06:11.52 | itchi | Vasistha: 72 |
| 06:11.52 | nuubae | anyone with Xorg? |
| 06:11.56 | jawd | how can I use wget with a such link http://cgi.tenablesecurity.com/nessus3dl.php?file=Nessus-3.0.3-debian3_i386.deb&licence_accept=yes&t=21620655339db8213ad88a818b71f559 |
| 06:12.13 | itchi | peterS: correct correct let my have lol man |
| 06:12.13 | stew | NiCeBoY: don't open it. kill whatever process had it open |
| 06:12.17 | nuubae | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.20 | nuubae | help |
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| 06:12.24 | Inazad | wassim, my gub file yeah.. do u wanna see ? --"http://pastebin.ca/101837 |
| 06:12.31 | Inazad | wassim, my gub file yeah.. do u wanna see ? --" http://pastebin.ca/101837 |
| 06:12.35 | itchi | peterS: If you had see these ... |
| 06:12.39 | peterS | Vasistha: don't listen to itchi. 27,5 C is about 82 F, not 72. |
| 06:12.41 | Vasistha | itchi: that's only 82 degrees, it was in the 90's here the other day, and today it was in the high 80's all day... like 30-33 C |
| 06:12.49 | wassim | Inazad: i'll take a look |
| 06:12.52 | Gnea | hrm, i can't find any packages of fobbit for debian |
| 06:12.57 | flur | stew: any idea about the ncurses lib? |
| 06:12.59 | Vasistha | itchi: and my fan has still hardly been on at all |
| 06:13.04 | itchi | peterS: fucking man; i had tell him 72 C WHAT ARE YOU TELLING MAN!!! |
| 06:13.07 | nuubae | help Xorg |
| 06:13.14 | stew | flur: libncurses5-dev ? |
| 06:13.17 | NiCeBoY | stew in it the file there is no pids written in |
| 06:13.24 | jawd | how can I use wget with a such link http://cgi.tenablesecurity.com/nessus3dl.php?file=Nessus-3.0.3-debian3_i386.deb&licence_accept=yes&t=21620655339db8213ad88a818b71f559 |
| 06:13.34 | Vasistha | peterS: itchi and I have the same funky buggy quirky laptop :D |
| 06:13.36 | jawd | i just want to download that file with a command line |
| 06:13.48 | nuubae | "I had told him" |
| 06:13.57 | stew | NiCeBoY: i'm saying run the command: "fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" to find out what has the file open |
| 06:13.57 | the_g0d | jawd: : try put it in " " |
| 06:14.03 | nuubae | anybody with xorg¿ |
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| 06:14.12 | NiCeBoY | ah ok |
| 06:14.16 | valdyn | nuubae: just ask a real question |
| 06:14.33 | jawd | lol |
| 06:14.35 | jawd | it works |
| 06:14.39 | jawd | thanks |
| 06:14.46 | the_g0d | jawd: np |
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| 06:15.03 | NiCeBoY | stew i ran the command in root but nothing happened |
| 06:15.04 | wassim | Inazad: but mine is not so simple, |
| 06:15.13 | nuubae | valdyn: the real question is that Xorg doesn't start because it complains about missing fonts and I don't know what package is in charge of that |
| 06:15.14 | jawd | but the filename is nessus3dl.php?file=Nessus-3.0.3-debian3_i386.deb&licence_accept=yes&t=21620655339db8213ad88a818b71f559 |
| 06:15.15 | jawd | now.. |
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| 06:15.21 | stew | peterS: feeling corky again? |
| 06:15.24 | jawd | how do i install this weird thing |
| 06:15.31 | Inazad | I'll retry |
| 06:15.31 | peterS | stew: well, I for one am not going to miss itchi. he couldn't give _any_ correct answers, and didn't seem bothered by this at all |
| 06:15.33 | Inazad | brb |
| 06:15.33 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 06:15.34 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
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| 06:16.01 | stew | NiCeBoY: try looking for dpkg/apt/aptitude in ps then, i guess, then try apt-setup again |
| 06:16.01 | nuubae | mmm... |
| 06:16.08 | itchi | bwa, let me fck here |
| 06:16.08 | peterS | itchi: why are you back? |
| 06:16.09 | nuubae | thanks |
| 06:16.27 | the_g0d | jawd: the page is php.. you should try download it with lynx |
| 06:16.39 | jawd | lynx isnt installed |
| 06:16.46 | jawd | now i got another problem |
| 06:16.53 | jawd | sp4420a:/home# ls |
| 06:16.53 | jawd | admin |
| 06:16.54 | jawd | kod |
| 06:16.54 | jawd | nessus3dl.php?file=Nessus-3.0.3-debian3_i386.deb&licence_accept=yes&t=21620655339db8213ad88a818b71f559 |
| 06:16.54 | jawd | sp4420a:/home# |
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| 06:17.03 | jawd | sorry |
| 06:17.06 | NiCeBoY | stew non can i paste tou a copy of the ps ? |
| 06:17.18 | row | why is that a problem jawd? |
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| 06:17.28 | jawd | i cannot "rm" the file |
| 06:17.34 | jawd | nessus3dl.php?file=Nessus-3.0.3-debian3_i386.deb&licence_accept=yes&t=21620655339db8213ad88a818b71f559\ |
| 06:17.40 | row | rm ne<tab><tab> |
| 06:17.43 | row | and you can |
| 06:17.47 | Vasistha | itchi: anyway, I'm curious, what is it you like about ACPI? |
| 06:17.52 | row | rm -f ? |
| 06:17.52 | the_g0d | jawd: or use " " |
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| 06:18.24 | itchi | Vasistha: That i whant that the fan are always running. If you laptop goes so hot, you kill him in less time man |
| 06:18.39 | jawd | thanks |
| 06:18.40 | stew | NiCeBoY: did you look for dpkg/apt yourself? |
| 06:18.42 | Vasistha | itchi: oh, I see, you're concerned about the laptop running hot |
| 06:18.48 | stew | NiCeBoY: if you must, use a pastebin |
| 06:19.02 | jawd | how can i install lynx? |
| 06:19.03 | NiCeBoY | stew pastebin? dont know |
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| 06:19.21 | stew | NiCeBoY: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 06:19.22 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 06:19.29 | itchi | Vasistha: Okay, he can runn so hot, but i love my stuff and want not loose it in 3 years because i do stupid things. No my laptop is now on 72, normally an average of 61 C when it's not so hot |
| 06:19.31 | row | jawd: apt-cache and apt-get. |
| 06:19.39 | jrsims | hey, is there an equivalent to ubuntu's Automatix that will bling up a vanilla debian install? |
| 06:19.51 | row | jawd: apt-cache search lynx;apt-get install <package> |
| 06:20.06 | Vasistha | itchi: hmm, interesting. I've had this one about 6 years now and as far as I can tell it's happy as a clam. But yeah, if you just want the fan to run all the time, probably the way is with acpi |
| 06:20.13 | the_g0d | jawd: as i said earlier you can install nessus in the same manner |
| 06:20.18 | itchi | Vasistha: You have that laptop now running for 2 years, write it down, in lesser that 4 years your cpu is dead, im sure |
| 06:20.40 | nuubae | by the way do I need xfs a font server ? |
| 06:20.40 | itchi | Vasistha: You have tell before that you had that running right now for 2 years ... |
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| 06:20.41 | NiCeBoY | stew http://channels.debian.net/paste/3263 |
| 06:20.43 | Vasistha | itchi: heh ... like I said ... I've had the laptop for six years, for the first four I was running windoze, and the fan ran about the same |
| 06:20.47 | NiCeBoY | check it out |
| 06:20.48 | row | also clean the dust out of it in the summer :) |
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| 06:21.00 | jawd | the_g0d thanks again thats cool |
| 06:21.41 | Vasistha | itchi: please don't curse my laptop to die, I don't appreciate it! |
| 06:21.44 | jrsims | hey, is there an equivalent to ubuntu's Automatix that will bling up a vanilla debian install? |
| 06:21.51 | itchi | Vasistha: Not my case, with that $M the fan running like expected, it' sinds i have switched that i have learn that he was so buggy and that i have discover these troubles |
| 06:22.06 | peterS | jrsims: you just asked that 2 minutes ago |
| 06:22.20 | itchi | Vasistha: I tell you if you laptop goes so hot, he gona die, it's so, it's not an A?D |
| 06:22.35 | stew | NiCeBoY: you want "ps ax" |
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| 06:22.42 | peterS | itchi: you also said it would happen in 4 years. he has been using the laptop for 6 years. please explain. |
| 06:22.56 | itchi | peterS: Can you read? |
| 06:23.04 | Vasistha | itchi: let's just drop it :-) |
| 06:23.04 | peterS | itchi: yes, but I'm beginning to wonder about you |
| 06:23.08 | NiCeBoY | stew ok i do ps ax |
| 06:23.14 | itchi | Vasistha: yup :-/ |
| 06:23.21 | jawd | what do you use to remote scan? nessus or nessusd? |
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| 06:23.48 | itchi | peterS: No matters; it's now 2 years he running GNU/Linux on it, i have see these troubles sinds it linux on it... |
| 06:24.02 | the_g0d | jawd: nessusd on host nessus on remote |
| 06:24.05 | peterS | itchi: he said it ran about the same in the 4 years before that |
| 06:24.26 | jawd | you mean: nessusd on localhost and nessus on remote? |
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| 06:24.38 | itchi | peterS: Yeah, but windows that know how to go with fck buggy closed hardware. Want whant you that i tell you |
| 06:24.39 | Vasistha | itchi: "sinds"? |
| 06:24.45 | itchi | depuis |
| 06:24.49 | vessial | hey,guys,i just update a linux-image-2.6.16,but i start this kernel present the failed about "bin/cat: /sys/block/sda/sda2/dev: No such file or directory",so what can i do? |
| 06:24.59 | NiCeBoY | stew here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/3264 |
| 06:25.04 | bl00dz3r0 | hi: i use rawrite to write on floppy boot.img and root.img and all files are there , but when i try to boot BOOT FAILED any ideas? |
| 06:25.05 | peterS | itchi: I did not understand your last sentence |
| 06:25.15 | bl00dz3r0 | ;) |
| 06:25.26 | itchi | No matters, no one understand me /-: |
| 06:25.35 | peterS | if only that were true |
| 06:25.36 | Guerin | bl00dz3r0: why r u 3m0t1ng?? |
| 06:25.37 | Vasistha | itchi: "since" |
| 06:25.47 | bl00dz3r0 | i am so mad :) |
| 06:25.53 | bl00dz3r0 | i try this 100 times |
| 06:25.55 | itchi | Vasistha: yes, that |
| 06:26.03 | bl00dz3r0 | all files are on floppy but bot failed |
| 06:26.04 | stew | NiCeBoY: i don't know then. maybe try apt-setup again? |
| 06:26.08 | jawd | sp4420a:/home# nessus |
| 06:26.09 | jawd | (nessus:22338): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 06:26.14 | jawd | i get this.. |
| 06:26.16 | jawd | how comes |
| 06:26.16 | itchi | Vasistha: Sorry was Dutch language what i wroted |
| 06:26.20 | stew | jawd: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 06:26.20 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 06:26.35 | Guerin | !insanity |
| 06:26.36 | dpkg | i guess insanity is something you acquire from using windoze, or doing the same thing over and over expecting different results |
| 06:26.49 | NiCeBoY | stew yes it run |
| 06:26.58 | Vasistha | itchi: oh! interesting :-) Well, fortunately I have a french dictionary handy |
| 06:26.58 | NiCeBoY | stew now i should select http |
| 06:27.13 | peterS | bl00dz3r0: I am guessing the floppy drive on the machine you're installing, or the floppy drive on the machine where you're running rawrite, or the floppy disk, is bad |
| 06:27.27 | itchi | Vasistha: Also good, i talk french :-) |
| 06:27.29 | peterS | bl00dz3r0: the other possibility is that the BIOS on the machine you're installing is not attempting to boot the floppy at all |
| 06:27.33 | NiCeBoY | stew which country you advise me to choose plz? |
| 06:27.36 | bl00dz3r0 | i jave 20 flopies |
| 06:27.37 | bl00dz3r0 | :) |
| 06:27.41 | bl00dz3r0 | no |
| 06:27.45 | bl00dz3r0 | i try on second machine |
| 06:27.47 | bl00dz3r0 | same problem |
| 06:27.57 | peterS | bl00dz3r0: can you read the floppy on the first machine? |
| 06:28.01 | bl00dz3r0 | yes |
| 06:28.06 | peterS | bl00dz3r0: it has files on it, can you read them? |
| 06:28.07 | bl00dz3r0 | and all files are there |
| 06:28.07 | itchi | NiCeBoY: Use ftp |
| 06:28.14 | bl00dz3r0 | yes i can read them |
| 06:28.26 | Vasistha | itchi: so, what, you think that windows keeps the cpu cooler than linux+apm does? |
| 06:28.28 | NiCeBoY | ok itchi |
| 06:28.28 | stew | NiCeBoY: whatever is closest to you |
| 06:28.33 | stew | NiCeBoY: don't use ftp |
| 06:28.37 | stew | itchi: why ftp? |
| 06:28.53 | bl00dz3r0 | i can read them and all |
| 06:28.56 | itchi | stew: Faster that http, it's been apt-setup? |
| 06:29.07 | stew | itchi: ftp is definately not faster than http |
| 06:29.12 | peterS | in fact, use rwwrtwin.exe (well, the name is something like that) to write the floppy then read it again to a different file, and compare the two image files to see if they're identical |
| 06:29.14 | ^punisher | hello |
| 06:29.24 | stew | itchi: ftp requires 10 round trips just to get a transfer started |
| 06:29.25 | peterS | this way you can rule out problems with the floppy drive on the machine you're using to write the floppy |
| 06:29.35 | bl00dz3r0 | i use rwritin.exe |
| 06:29.37 | bl00dz3r0 | two :) |
| 06:29.41 | Dwonis | stew: it depends on how many files you transfer |
| 06:29.43 | itchi | Vasistha: No, just that windows probably know about this buggy bios. There i had no troubles on it before. Since i have switched i have got these troubles with this laptop. |
| 06:29.47 | bl00dz3r0 | what img to use can u give me link |
| 06:29.49 | ^punisher | ?? |
| 06:29.53 | bl00dz3r0 | i use that one from deb rap |
| 06:30.03 | itchi | stew: hhhmm, Etch |
| 06:30.04 | peterS | itchi: ONCE AGAIN you gave an inaccurate answer. are you EVER going to say something which turns out to be true? |
| 06:30.15 | stew | itchi: what do you mean? |
| 06:30.17 | itchi | stew: Is he on that Etch |
| 06:30.28 | stew | itchi: certainly not |
| 06:30.49 | wassim | how to register? |
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| 06:30.51 | Vasistha | itchi: did you have one die on you?? And were you using linux+APM at the time?? |
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| 06:30.58 | stew | !ftp must die |
| 06:30.58 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 06:31.01 | Dwonis | stew: bah, nevermind, FTP is slower in practice. There are theoretical reasons why it wouldn't *have* to be slower (like not closing the data connection as often) but nobody does this |
| 06:31.03 | itchi | stew: The most server respond many faster on that ftp, my experiences, or my crap locel mirrors |
| 06:31.10 | bl00dz3r0 | this is sooooooooooooo grrrr :) |
| 06:31.13 | bl00dz3r0 | fck floppy |
| 06:31.15 | itchi | s/locel/local |
| 06:31.16 | Vasistha | wooledge... that's greycat's site |
| 06:31.27 | stew | itchi: you are saying that ftp is faster for etch? |
| 06:31.29 | peterS | Dwonis: what? don't you have to close the data connection? I think you're thinking of http, which has keepalives |
| 06:31.32 | bl00dz3r0 | any ideas here? |
| 06:31.42 | itchi | stew: No sorry, i forget that ? ;-) |
| 06:31.49 | bl00dz3r0 | any ideas how to install deb without floppy and cdrom :) |
| 06:32.10 | Dwonis | peterS: I remember reading somewhere that you don't have to always close the data connection with FTP, but most clients do to avoid subtle bugs. I should probably look it up in the spec sometime. |
| 06:32.13 | peterS | bl00dz3r0: USB drive, or netboot, are the two options you have left |
| 06:32.27 | peterS | Dwonis: is this for PORT or PASV? |
| 06:32.34 | itchi | arg, some of these keys of that keyboard, need more power to press on :-/ |
| 06:32.36 | bl00dz3r0 | how is posibile that floppy dont boot |
| 06:32.40 | Dwonis | peterS: I don't think it matters |
| 06:32.41 | bl00dz3r0 | i try on 2 machines |
| 06:32.51 | NiCeBoY | stew check http://channels.debian.net/paste/3265 plzshould i run apt-get update? |
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| 06:33.14 | peterS | Dwonis: it should matter, servers do quite different things for the two |
| 06:33.56 | peterS | Dwonis: unless you're thinking of the control channel here, rather than the data channel, but that'd be kind of absurd to say clients don't keep _that_ open |
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| 06:34.10 | kryptoz | hi all |
| 06:34.13 | stew | NiCeBoY: it looks like you have a dns problem, can you "ping google.com" ? how about "ping 128.2.2.2" |
| 06:34.16 | kryptoz | i just installed debian stable |
| 06:34.24 | kryptoz | 3.1R1 |
| 06:34.31 | Dwonis | peterS: Well, I'm not going to defend it. It's second-hand information that I haven't verified, and none of the implementations I've seen do it that way anyway. |
| 06:34.32 | kryptoz | my x is not comming up |
| 06:34.34 | jonkri | any idea why the mbr that the debian installation cd stores is corrupt? i tried installing three times |
| 06:34.38 | kryptoz | its saying no screens found |
| 06:34.40 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 06:34.56 | liable | where can i set cflags permanently? /etc/environment or bashrc or what? |
| 06:34.57 | Dwonis | peterS: I like FTP's server-to-server transfer support, but unfortunately it's been disabled virtually everywhere for security reasons |
| 06:35.00 | kryptoz | i am using a dell monitor. And but the screen it shows in the XFree86 file is generic |
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| 06:35.08 | NiCeBoY | stew am getting ping: unknown host google.com |
| 06:35.18 | kryptoz | is there a program using which i can configure the I/O devices ? |
| 06:35.19 | stew | NiCeBoY: what about ping 128.2.2.2 |
| 06:35.20 | peterS | Dwonis: server-to-server? are you talking about FXP, or something else? |
| 06:35.27 | wassim | REGISTER wassim |
| 06:35.42 | stew | !drxx kryptoz |
| 06:35.42 | peterS | oh, I guess you mean redirecting the server to send something to an IP that isn't yours |
| 06:35.42 | dpkg | kryptoz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:35.47 | NiCeBoY | stew its pinging continuously |
| 06:35.49 | nuubae | I get this -> warning locale not supported by C library, and everytime I get tons of perl warnings about locale not set and what not |
| 06:36.08 | stew | NiCeBoY: then your dns isn't setup, you need to edit /etc/resolv.conf ; (man resolv.conf) |
| 06:36.11 | NiCeBoY | stew how do i stop it ? |
| 06:36.16 | stew | NiCeBoY: ctrl-c |
| 06:36.19 | NiCeBoY | stew hook |
| 06:36.19 | kryptoz | dpkg let me try xf86config .. brb |
| 06:36.36 | NiCeBoY | 51 packets transmitted, 50 received, 1% packet loss, time 50534ms |
| 06:36.38 | NiCeBoY | ;) |
| 06:36.46 | Dwonis | peterS: possibly. I'm not sure what FXP is. FTP, by default, according to the original specification, let you establish a data connection between *any* two hosts (which is why there is both PORT and PASV). You could be on a 300 baud connection, establish an FTP control channel to two different servers, and instruct one to transfer huge files to the other. |
| 06:36.52 | stew | kryptoz: no, DONT use xf86cofing, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:36.53 | NiCeBoY | stew ok am going to see the recolve.conf then |
| 06:37.14 | peterS | Dwonis: right, I figured out that's what you were talking about a moment later (and said so (: ) |
| 06:37.18 | Dwonis | peterS: Unfortunately, there is no handshaking protocol for the data connection, so you could tell one server to connect to, e.g. port 25 on another server, and send a file that starts with HELO\nMAIL FROM\n... |
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| 06:37.47 | nuubae | I have an issue with locale, how can I fix this? |
| 06:37.53 | Dwonis | peterS: So now most servers limit data connections to the same host as the control channel is connected to |
| 06:37.55 | peterS | Dwonis: right, or really any TCP-based attack vector |
| 06:37.59 | nuubae | it tells me my locale doesn't exist |
| 06:38.35 | peterS | it's not a terribly useful capability anyway. if you really want to send a file from one server to another, you log onto the first server and go from there. |
| 06:39.30 | Dwonis | peterS: eh? That only works if you have shell access |
| 06:39.42 | Dwonis | peterS: which is unlikely on esoteric systems (e.g. Windows) |
| 06:39.45 | stew | nuubae: aptitude install locales ; if it was already installed, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:39.49 | NiCeBoY | stew can you help me to config resolv.conf plz? |
| 06:39.50 | peterS | Dwonis: yeah and at the time ftp was designed, if you wanted to upload files to somewhere, you had shell access |
| 06:39.57 | nuubae | stew: thanks |
| 06:40.00 | Dwonis | peterS: point taken |
| 06:40.00 | stew | NiCeBoY: do you know your nameserver's ip? |
| 06:40.09 | kryptoz | dpkg i did xf86config and entered all that i know is correct |
| 06:40.09 | dpkg | kryptoz: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:40.17 | NiCeBoY | yes stew |
| 06:40.23 | stew | !what are you |
| 06:40.23 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 06:40.41 | NiCeBoY | stew i got the netmask and gateway ip |
| 06:40.48 | Dwonis | peterS: I suppose FTP was a *standard* way to do this, but then again, FTP didn't bother specifying the a standard format for LIST output (which I'm surprised GreyCat didn't mention). |
| 06:41.02 | stew | NiCeBoY: i'm not talking about netmask or gateway, but nameserver |
| 06:41.14 | peterS | Dwonis: oh he didn't? that's always been a fun annoyance. of course, http is no better in that regard (: |
| 06:41.16 | NiCeBoY | yes stew |
| 06:41.20 | stew | NiCeBoY: you need a line in resolv.conf that says "nameserver 1.2.3.4" where 1.2.3.4 is the ip address of your nameserver |
| 06:41.31 | Dwonis | peterS: but FTP wouldn't be nearly as useless if we had IPSEC and actual end-to-end connectivity |
| 06:41.42 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 06:41.54 | Dwonis | peterS: Maybe we should all go back to Gopher |
| 06:42.08 | nuubae | do I need xfs for fonts? I already have xfonts-core but I wonder whether xfs is needed... |
| 06:42.17 | peterS | Dwonis: end-to-end connectivity will make its triumphant return when ipv6 is everywhere. unless of course someone decides that NAT is a good idea after all, and reinvents _that_ for ipv6. |
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| 06:42.46 | peterS | but of course, ftp is not only NAT-unfriendly but firewall-unfriendly |
| 06:42.48 | stew | peterS: don't even give anyone any ideas like that ;) |
| 06:42.52 | Dwonis | oh man... |
| 06:42.54 | peterS | stew: heh |
| 06:43.11 | NiCeBoY | stew i set it now ping google.com is working fine |
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| 06:43.22 | stew | NiCeBoY: now try "apt-get update" again |
| 06:43.28 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 06:43.36 | peterS | stew: some people think NAT == firewalling, that you can't "hide" your internal hosts unless they have non-routable addresses. which is pure hogwash, but some people seem to actually believe NAT is a useful security measure |
| 06:43.55 | NiCeBoY | stew Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:44.02 | Dwonis | [OT] I love ICQ spammers: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3266 |
| 06:44.24 | kryptoz | stew i am uing the method you told me :D let me try |
| 06:44.32 | Dwonis | peterS: Some people seem to actually believe that a firewall is a useful security measure, as well. |
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| 06:44.52 | KaOzx | Hello |
| 06:45.02 | NiCeBoY | stew should i tun spt-setup again? |
| 06:45.08 | NiCeBoY | *apt-setup |
| 06:45.08 | Kevin` | meow |
| 06:45.10 | kryptoz | bus identifier ? stew whats that ? |
| 06:45.22 | peterS | Dwonis: a firewall is, if your hosts aren't running open source OSes and software. if they are, it's easier just to keep track of what software you have installed and make sure all the servers are supposed to be there. |
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| 06:45.36 | stew | peterS: yes. i know. i admit that i have had thoughts from time to time that my inbox would be a lot smaller if all cable companies gave out nothing but 1918 addresses, but then i realize that would probably cause more headaches than it would solve |
| 06:45.49 | stew | NiCeBoY: you shouldn't need to |
| 06:45.54 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 06:45.59 | Dwonis | peterS: How can you argue that firewalls are useful as a security measure, but NAT is not? |
| 06:46.14 | stew | kryptoz: now that you have run xf86config, you need to read "/msg dpkg xmd5" before you bother with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:46.18 | peterS | stew: I surprised myself by actually deciding that it's a Good Thing that my DSL ISP blocks outgoing port 25 except to my smarthost. ordinarily I'd be annoyed, but the smarthost is quite fast and reliable. |
| 06:46.26 | Kevin` | nat is useful as an internal security measure |
| 06:46.27 | Dwonis | peterS: I'd say that both give some marginal amount of security, and both break the end-to-end functioning of the Internet. |
| 06:46.29 | nuubae | should I install an xfs font server? I already have xfonts-core and I am running xorg 7, do I need xfs? |
| 06:46.38 | stew | kryptoz: but to answer your question, leave busid blank unless you have 2 cards or are on a mac or something |
| 06:46.52 | peterS | Dwonis: NAT is not useful because it's redundant if you have a firewall. what I'm talking about is people who think you need _both_. |
| 06:46.59 | kryptoz | yeah i left it blank |
| 06:46.59 | Dwonis | nuubae: If you need to ask if you need xfs (the font server), then you don't |
| 06:47.01 | Kevin` | peterS you've been corrupted :) |
| 06:47.19 | Dwonis | peterS: ah, yes. |
| 06:47.23 | kryptoz | i went ahead and its not giving me anything .. says the same thing ... "No devices detected" |
| 06:47.26 | Kevin` | peterS not to mention, they are watching your mail |
| 06:47.41 | peterS | Kevin`: let 'em. they could anyway, unless I encrypt it |
| 06:47.43 | stew | peterS: i'm about to move and i think we are going to downgrade to cable from our business dsl. i'm wondering if my wife is going to freak when she realizes that we lose port 25 |
| 06:48.00 | nuubae | I have a weird issue with locales |
| 06:48.01 | peterS | Kevin`: anyway, I am in favor of the principle of forcing spammers to use real mail servers, which can trivially be rate-limited and usage-tracked. |
| 06:48.05 | Kevin` | stew she knows about that stuff? |
| 06:48.15 | peterS | stew: I still have _incoming_ port 25, so that's nice. |
| 06:48.16 | Kevin` | i'd freak out, I use it for mail |
| 06:48.27 | stew | Kevin`: she spends half of her time writing an MUA |
| 06:49.02 | Kevin` | peterS your assuming the mailserver you run yourself for you own domain isn't real? |
| 06:49.05 | nuubae | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: no such a file or directory |
| 06:49.25 | nuubae | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: no such a file or directory |
| 06:49.25 | stew | peterS: that is nice, but the outgoing is more important to us, esp now that we convinced a client that has 3 internet connections to let us park a backup server in their office |
| 06:49.29 | peterS | Kevin`: I am assuming that the mailserver I run myself for my own domain isn't something which can easily be shut down if I were a spammer |
| 06:49.42 | Dwonis | peterS: My ISP lets us set the firewalling level through a web page. Three options: firewall common malicious ports + port 25, firewall common malicious ports, firewall nothing |
| 06:49.47 | nuubae | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: no such a file or directory |
| 06:50.12 | peterS | Kevin`: if my smarthost weren't fast and reliable, it would annoy me to have to use it. since it is, I honestly don't mind. |
| 06:50.27 | nuubae | and then a perl warning: setting locale failed |
| 06:50.37 | nuubae | what am I doing wrong¿ |
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| 06:50.43 | Kevin` | Dwonis useful, prevents dos :) |
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| 06:51.06 | Kevin` | Dwonis unfortunately, that is probably a very small minority |
| 06:51.22 | Kevin` | for home users, anyway |
| 06:51.32 | peterS | Kevin`: you see, if spammers have to use the smarthost in order to spam, they can be shut down quite easily, just by not allowing any one customer to send 1000 mails per hour. if I really wanted to do that, I'd rent a virtual machine in a colo and run my mailing list server on that. I mean really. |
| 06:51.47 | stew | maybe they should make it so that if you want port 25 open from your isp, you have to request it by telnetting to port 25 and send an email by hand requesting it, then telnet to 110 or 143 to get the passcode. it would weed out a lot of people that don't know what they are doing :) |
| 06:51.55 | Dwonis | Kevin`: Yeah, my ISP is rare. We get 2 static IP addresses (DHCP-assigned, but still static), and they actually send us postal mail telling us when they plan to change these addresses. |
| 06:52.05 | Kevin` | peterS it's a case of the ends justifying the means |
| 06:52.11 | Kevin` | peterS bad things happen |
| 06:52.12 | peterS | Kevin`: yes it is. and I think they do. |
| 06:52.18 | peterS | (the ends do justify the means.) |
| 06:52.19 | nuubae | I have a problem with locales |
| 06:52.32 | nuubae | I don't konw what the hell is going on |
| 06:52.37 | Dwonis | peterS: As for stopping spam, all you need is widespread TMDA and widespread SPF, and the spammers will lose their economic incentive. |
| 06:52.38 | Kevin` | peterS many isps, for example, charge for the 'service' of unblocking the ports |
| 06:53.13 | Dwonis | peterS: though TMDA may have to be strengthened to ask for a bond payment, hash cash, or whatnot, but that would be up to the individual user. |
| 06:53.40 | Kevin` | given the choice, I wouldn't pay to send email |
| 06:53.49 | Kevin` | and spam is not a problem for me |
| 06:54.04 | peterS | Kevin`: if they blocked a port that I actually needed, I'd be pretty annoyed. they aren't, they're only blocking outbound port 25 so I have to use a smarthost with SASL. which caused the minor annoyance of setting up postfix to do so, _once_. |
| 06:54.08 | Dwonis | Kevin`: It would always be a matter of choice, in my scenario. |
| 06:54.10 | stew | if everybody bought into gpg and web-of-trust type of things, i think a lot of this would be easier. it would be great if i could only accept mail from "the strong set" or something |
| 06:54.36 | Dwonis | Kevin`: You, as a recipient, would decide what you want to require to allow senders you've never heard of to reach you. |
| 06:54.39 | NiCeBoY | stew each time am doing an "apt-get install" i am getting this 'Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20051218)' |
| 06:54.39 | NiCeBoY | in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 06:54.41 | peterS | stew: in that kind of world it wouldn't take very long for spammers to enter the strong set |
| 06:54.43 | Kevin` | stew then you'd only get mail from businesses |
| 06:54.55 | Kevin` | and very talkative people |
| 06:55.07 | stew | peterS: please let me dream my dream. |
| 06:55.10 | peterS | ok |
| 06:55.13 | stew | :) |
| 06:55.38 | Dwonis | stew: widespread GPG would be good for its own reasons, but I doubt it would completely solve the spam problem (by itself) |
| 06:55.41 | Kevin` | Dwonis I think some sort of convermation, "enter yes to send me an email" even, would go a long way |
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| 06:55.47 | stew | NiCeBoY: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and take out the cdrom line, then "apt-get update" again |
| 06:55.50 | Dwonis | stew: although in my scenario, that could be one of the things you require for unknown senders |
| 06:55.50 | Kevin` | confirmation* |
| 06:56.00 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
| 06:56.06 | Kevin` | Dwonis like those pictures that are hard for computers to read |
| 06:56.12 | peterS | Kevin`: those things exist today, they're a major pain in the butt because the confirmation letters always go to a faked address that might be mine |
| 06:56.16 | Kevin` | it takes a person no time to read it, relatively |
| 06:56.32 | Dwonis | Kevin`: Yes, that works for now. I'm thinking of the eventual case where spammers hire a few hundred workers from third-world countries to go through TMDA-like systems |
| 06:56.32 | Kevin` | but a computer cannot |
| 06:56.47 | Kevin` | Dwonis I doubt they will |
| 06:56.51 | Kevin` | it's not worth it |
| 06:56.51 | Dwonis | Kevin`: If spamming becomes harder, that'll happen eventually, I would think |
| 06:57.00 | Kevin` | there isn't enough return |
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| 06:57.16 | Dwonis | Kevin`: depends on how cheap the labour is, I would think :) |
| 06:57.21 | Kevin` | right now one person sends out hundreds a second |
| 06:57.31 | peterS | Kevin`: asuffield points out that amazon created a service (www.mturk.com) to allow humans to earn money by helping spammers get around "reading images" types of problems, in an economically efficient manner |
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| 06:58.10 | witless | i have a debian-stable laptop that i'd like to upgrade to testing. what's the best way? |
| 06:58.24 | peterS | !stable->testing |
| 06:58.31 | Mitja | How do I run an app from console in full screen (Advanced->Fullscreen command in KDE)? |
| 06:58.32 | liable | change sources.list? |
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| 06:58.51 | peterS | eh, is dpkg asleep? |
| 06:58.53 | witless | that's it? then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:58.55 | Dwonis | !test |
| 06:58.55 | dpkg | Sorry, dwonis, I didn't get your test. |
| 06:59.04 | stew | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 06:59.05 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
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| 06:59.06 | Kevin` | Mitja why not just press ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 06:59.15 | peterS | she must be ignoring me |
| 06:59.15 | witless | thanks |
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| 06:59.32 | stew | peterS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370040 don hasn't patched yet |
| 06:59.36 | nukeu666 | i have a file 'temp' with a users name/roll/loginname so why isnt this scipt working? |
| 06:59.36 | nukeu666 | while read name; do read roll; read log; useradd -b /home/mtech1/ -c\"$name\" -m -gmtech1 $log; done<temp |
| 06:59.46 | Mitja | Kevin`, because I want to resize it from console |
| 06:59.55 | stew | peterS: its only when shortAddressing (!) and with a factoid with a > |
| 06:59.57 | peterS | stew: heh, thanks |
| 07:00.40 | stew | dondelelcaro: oops, that patch is reversed :) |
| 07:00.43 | Dwonis | sigh... the first thing I thought is that the bug would have been filed against "dpkg" |
| 07:00.58 | peterS | Dwonis: hehe |
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| 07:01.07 | stew | heh, i know i've made fun of people for creating reversed patches before |
| 07:01.14 | peterS | I mean it, that's a good one. I hate the word 'lol' but this time I actually did laugh out loud |
| 07:01.16 | Dwonis | !pal stew |
| 07:02.16 | NiCeBoY | stew i save the file sources.list empty ? |
| 07:02.27 | Dwonis | peterS: lol |
| 07:03.01 | stew | NiCeBoY: oh, hmm, no. i thought it would have had your fr.debian.org addresses in there from before. if not, then run apt-setup again |
| 07:03.23 | NiCeBoY | ok stew |
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| 07:03.53 | Dwonis | stew: apt-setup? |
| 07:04.07 | stew | Dwonis: yes? |
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| 07:05.53 | Dwonis | stew: oh, nothing. It looks like it's a sarge thing that disappeared with base-config in etch and sid |
| 07:06.12 | stew | Dwonis: yeah, its still a good method in sarge. |
| 07:06.34 | Dwonis | stew: figures. By the time I figure out about a possibly-useful tool in Debian, it's already gone. |
| 07:06.55 | Dwonis | stew: s/figure/find/ |
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| 07:07.21 | Dwonis | Heh. I remember when devfs was considered a good thing. |
| 07:08.04 | Dwonis | and /dev/hda was a "legacy" pathname |
| 07:09.46 | stew | heh |
| 07:09.57 | wut | whenever i try to install k3b i get this error http://pastebin.ca/raw/101926 it might have something to do with me using the .deb |
| 07:10.03 | stew | and now i'm pretty happy about it |
| 07:10.30 | itchi | Only morrons never changes his mind |
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| 07:10.44 | peterS | itchi: are you still here? |
| 07:10.56 | itchi | peterS: Yeah, im still here :-p |
| 07:11.07 | itchi | peterS: I look to what btw you are telling :-p |
| 07:11.19 | itchi | peterS: And setup that autocompleting in that irssi :-) |
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| 07:11.30 | peterS | itchi: any chance you could give a _correct_ answer to a question some time? |
| 07:11.47 | stew | he was right about the "yeah, i'm still here" part |
| 07:11.51 | NiCeBoY | stew thanks man great its working problem solved ;) |
| 07:11.51 | peterS | oh, true |
| 07:11.58 | itchi | peterS: peterS Not true what you tell, it's more *complete* that you need to say, big difference! |
| 07:11.59 | liable | !kingsleysmite itchi |
| 07:11.59 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer itchi: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.386066965098632! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 07:12.00 | liable | :P |
| 07:12.09 | wut | peterS, at least he tries, and he gives right answers sometimes |
| 07:12.27 | Dwonis | wut: you probably need qt3-dev-tools or libqt4-dev or something. |
| 07:12.37 | itchi | !kingsleysmite liable |
| 07:12.37 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer liable: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.48979069534375! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 07:12.45 | Dwonis | wut: you can search the contents of packages at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 07:12.57 | itchi | And there go the ware again... Nothings others to do guys?? |
| 07:13.01 | peterS | wut: no, he has a crap attitude. he pretty much says "who cares if I tell people something wrong when I could have easily verified it myself before saying it, if users believe me and do the wrong thing, screw them. I don't have time to check my facts." |
| 07:13.22 | peterS | wut: that kind of help is worse than no help at all. |
| 07:13.55 | itchi | peterS: Uhg, because i forget an character at the end?? |
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| 07:14.07 | thyko | i just setup a mail server |
| 07:14.21 | peterS | itchi: it's more than that. anyone can make a typo, but you seem to be positively _smug_ about the fact that you don't have time to check your facts |
| 07:14.22 | thyko | postfix with courier-pop3d |
| 07:14.35 | thyko | with mysqlauth |
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| 07:14.59 | thyko | but i get this error when i run: /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon restart |
| 07:15.05 | stew | itchi: i have no idea what you just said, but it didn't look debian related |
| 07:15.10 | peterS | itchi: war is off-topic here, too, please don't start |
| 07:15.10 | thyko | http://rafb.net/paste/results/PXXFrH55.html |
| 07:15.11 | itchi | peterS: No i not look to my keyboard when i type, and then?? |
| 07:15.32 | peterS | itchi: your attitude needs to change. I think you do more harm than good when you "try" to help users. |
| 07:15.37 | itchi | peterS: ppff you _provocate_ war !! |
| 07:15.51 | itchi | peterS: Your atitude also man |
| 07:15.58 | Dwonis | thyko: It looks like you're missing a #! line in authdaemond |
| 07:16.26 | stew | thyko: which file in /etc/courier did you put those MYSQL_* entries? |
| 07:16.29 | Dwonis | thyko: but that's just a guess |
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| 07:16.35 | peterS | itchi: I'm asking you to do some basic fact checking before answering a question, since your answers don't ever seem to be correct. I don't think that's too much to ask. |
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| 07:16.56 | Dwonis | thyko: nevermind, that guess is wrong |
| 07:16.56 | wut | Dwonis, thanks |
| 07:16.57 | LinuxNIT | what lib do i need to display the dialog for make menuconfig? |
| 07:17.13 | stew | LinuxNIT: libncursees5-dev |
| 07:17.20 | peterS | I'd ask the same of everyone here. but it's only a few people that I notice who seem to have problems with constantly giving bad advice. |
| 07:17.20 | LinuxNIT | stew, thanks |
| 07:17.29 | Dwonis | thyko: also, if you have something like MYSQL_SERVER=foo.example.com, there CANNOT be spaces around the "=" sign |
| 07:17.30 | itchi | peterS: Seems to be correct?? Are you sure, check you log, and not only that last word of 'Etch'. What are you borring about. Let me live and help others and STOP with making war for _nothings_8 |
| 07:17.54 | stew | itchi: please just stop guessing at answers. please only answer questions you are sure about. |
| 07:18.02 | stew | and can we drop this for now, please? |
| 07:18.21 | Dwonis | thyko: Could you post your authdaemonrc file? |
| 07:18.33 | itchi | stew: Say that to peterS to stop He come 36 time back on the same trouble... |
| 07:18.38 | Dwonis | thyko: (but blank out the password) |
| 07:18.38 | stew | itchi: drop it |
| 07:18.50 | itchi | blind guys |
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| 07:19.22 | thyko | ok, checking ... |
| 07:19.22 | stew | none of that stuff should be in authdaemonrc but in authmysqlrc |
| 07:19.22 | Dwonis | wut: y'welcome |
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| 07:20.33 | peterS | itchi: I'll let that one pass, but please stop insulting people too. |
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| 07:20.47 | stew | Dwonis: and it shoulnd't be "MYSQL_SERVER=foo" but "MYSQL_SERVER foo" |
| 07:21.32 | itchi | peterS: As that are an insult; drop it guy! |
| 07:21.42 | stew | just stop |
| 07:21.56 | itchi | stew: For the 360 time, tell that to peterS |
| 07:22.15 | Dwonis | itchi: peterS is an op. He gets to do what he wants. Deal with it. |
| 07:22.24 | stew | everybody stop |
| 07:22.42 | itchi | Dwonis: No i no deal, no matters who or what he is |
| 07:22.56 | stew | itchi: really. enough. |
| 07:23.12 | thyko | Dwonis: yesss!! |
| 07:23.14 | Dwonis | stew: I haven't worked with the mysql auth module for courier. I just assumed that the configuration would be in authdaemonrc, which is in shell format. |
| 07:23.19 | thyko | it was the spaces |
| 07:23.25 | stew | ? |
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| 07:23.32 | Dwonis | thyko: are you sure? stew mentioned something about authmysqlrc |
| 07:23.36 | stew | thyko: is that stuff in authdaemonrc? |
| 07:23.37 | thyko | Dwonis: but MYSQL_MAILDIR_FIELD=concat(home,'/',maildir) is still spitting a syntax error |
| 07:23.43 | thyko | yes |
| 07:24.18 | stew | thyko: it should be in authmysqlrc, and there shouldn't be = signs, just stuff like "MYSQL_SERVER 127.0.0.1". you aren't getting errors anymore, but its also not working |
| 07:24.26 | thyko | http://rafb.net/paste/results/WF6vzO23.html |
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| 07:25.00 | stew | thyko: authdaemonrc is just a shell script, so its fine that you are setting those variables, they are being ignored, but when /usr/lib/courier/authdaemond.mysql starts, its going to be looking in /etc/courier/authmysqlrc |
| 07:25.14 | thyko | im following this http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/#conf_imap tutorial |
| 07:25.44 | stew | thyko: " Edit authmysqlrc and make sure these setting lines are set correctly." |
| 07:25.51 | stew | NOT authdaemonrc |
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| 07:31.12 | rmoar | does anyone know of any unofficial apache 2.2 debs? |
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| 07:33.38 | thyko | stew: then i comment out the stuff in authdaemonrc? |
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| 07:34.06 | stew | thyko: none of the MYSQL_ stuff should be there, just move it to authmysql |
| 07:34.09 | rshakin | anyone know what this means Unlock ioctl failed : Invalid argument |
| 07:34.13 | peterS | rmoar: they keep promising debs for the 'experimental' distribution, but apparently nobody on the apache2 team has had time yet |
| 07:34.22 | peterS | I should ping them again, it's been awhile (: |
| 07:34.34 | Dwonis | rshakin: I think it has something to do with the CD drive, doesn't it? |
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| 07:34.47 | rmoar | thanks |
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| 07:35.30 | Dwonis | rshakin: CD drives can be "locked" (it makes the eject button on the front panel do nothing). This is typically done when mounting CD-ROM filesystems, to prevent you from ejecting the CD while the fs is still mounted. |
| 07:36.10 | Dwonis | rshakin: When did you get this error? |
| 07:37.31 | rshakin | Dwonis: i was working in webmin trying to use the filesystem dump module... |
| 07:37.50 | Dwonis | rshakin: oh... no idea then |
| 07:38.01 | rshakin | Dwonis: i think it has to do with something with a tape drive or thinking my box has a tape drive... blah... |
| 07:38.12 | Dwonis | rshakin: ah, that would make sense. |
| 07:38.18 | peterS | rshakin: you said the magic word. we hear 'webmin' and we run screaming. it has a poor reputation for quality, such that nobody has any clue if it's any good now because we ran away from it years ago |
| 07:38.42 | Dwonis | peterS, rshakin: wasn't webmin dropped from unstable? |
| 07:38.44 | Dwonis | !webmin |
| 07:38.44 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 07:38.54 | peterS | Dwonis: I think so |
| 07:38.55 | rshakin | peterS: I know but is sure make easy to manage things for ppl that dont know shit about linux |
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| 07:39.26 | peterS | rshakin: sure, I'm just saying, because of its reputation for being crappy, you probably won't find many people who know anything about it |
| 07:39.27 | rshakin | peterS: yes it's shit and I've heard it all about being insecure but it's only run on local access only |
| 07:39.31 | Dwonis | rshakin: The *idea* of webmin is great, but the implementation is terrible, last I heard. |
| 07:39.42 | rshakin | Dwonis: oy |
| 07:39.56 | rshakin | Dwonis: it's gotten better... but not by much |
| 07:40.25 | Dwonis | A good webmin would probably have to be Debian-specific, or at least be modular and configurable enough to be *made* Debian-specific. |
| 07:40.29 | Dwonis | much like apt |
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| 07:41.00 | Dwonis | System configuration is one of those things that really can't be done well in a distro-agnostic way right now. |
| 07:41.21 | litage | can 32-bit linux use/reference more than 4gb of ram? |
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| 07:41.35 | Dwonis | litage: yes, if you have the appropriate kernel |
| 07:41.38 | muhoo | i am in deep deep DEEP shit |
| 07:41.42 | litage | Dwonis: which kernel is that? |
| 07:41.49 | Dwonis | litage: although I'm not sure if an individual *process* can address more than 4 GiB |
| 07:41.52 | muhoo | if i set up mysql from scratch, it works. |
| 07:42.02 | Dwonis | litage: It's a kernel option. CONFIG_BIGMEM or somesuch |
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| 07:42.09 | litage | thanks Dwonis |
| 07:42.18 | muhoo | but! all of my web apps require old_password() because php's mysqlclient doesn't do new style 4.1 passwords |
| 07:42.41 | muhoo | if i change just one password in the system using old_password() the entire mysql permissions system goes crazy! |
| 07:42.47 | muhoo | and, no user can log in anymore. |
| 07:42.53 | muhoo | bleak |
| 07:43.05 | RichiH | peterS: poke |
| 07:43.30 | Dwonis | muhoo: wouldn't #mysql (or #php, just to pester them) be a better forum for this? |
| 07:43.47 | muhoo | maybe |
| 07:43.55 | peterS | RichiH: there's two such channels? I'm there on irc.debian.org (oftc) |
| 07:44.01 | muhoo | but, it's the sarge packages that got me into this |
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| 07:44.18 | muhoo | will ask there |
| 07:44.58 | Dwonis | muhoo: You can ask here; I'm just saying that you might have better luck asking non-Debian-specific questions elsewhere. |
| 07:45.29 | stew | i need a aptitude build-dep that will mark the packages as removable after like 24 hours, or something |
| 07:45.35 | Dwonis | gah, PHP might be a non-piece-of-crap at about version 7 or 8... |
| 07:45.38 | Ahri | hi, i recently screwed up my debian system quite badly and had to reinstall most of it. now nearly everything is working, except that spamassassin is no longer being called by exim4/sa-exim, can anyone help? |
| 07:45.49 | Dwonis | right now, PHP is about as sane as old versions of Perl |
| 07:46.05 | knight96 | I install debian from fedora, and I can not run "base-config new", when I execute the command,I got the message "Terminated". |
| 07:46.19 | peterS | stew: I wrote a 'aptitude-build-dep' script once, a huge hack. I don't remember whether it still works. it creates and installs a dummy package 'build-dep-foo' that depends on your build deps. then when you remove build-dep-foo the aptitude auto-install-goodness does its thing |
| 07:46.43 | peterS | stew: take a look, http://p12n.org/hacks/#aptitude-build-dep |
| 07:47.07 | muhoo | what kills me here is that, all i did is change root disks. |
| 07:47.18 | stew | peterS: ooh interesting |
| 07:47.35 | muhoo | exact same distro, exact same files, but..... out of nowhere all of a sudden all hell has broken loose in mysql-land |
| 07:47.38 | stew | did you use equivs somehow? |
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| 07:48.15 | peterS | stew: yep |
| 07:48.23 | stew | !maint equivs |
| 07:48.27 | dpkg | equivs: Peter Samuelson <peter@p12n.org> |
| 07:48.28 | peterS | (: |
| 07:48.30 | stew | hah! |
| 07:48.37 | stew | i thought i saw something about htat |
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| 07:49.17 | Dwonis | It just occurred to me that I'm implicitly trusting software that you guys wrote to not hose my system... |
| 07:49.19 | RichiH | peterS: maybe it's time for to join the dark side, then |
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| 07:51.54 | crazy_penguin | good morning all! :) |
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| 07:56.05 | muhoo | aha! i figured out at least part of it |
| 07:56.38 | muhoo | it was a botched mysqldump --all-databases, which was dropping the mysql table! |
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| 07:58.56 | Dwonis | muhoo: o_O that'll do it! |
| 07:58.58 | muhoo | didn't notice until now because it's been months since apache restarted, since my mysql client restarted, and since the server last rebooted |
| 07:59.06 | muhoo | Dwonis: oy did it |
| 07:59.36 | Dwonis | muhoo: stupid stable software... |
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| 08:01.14 | thyko | stew: its loging in! but now i get this "Jul 27 11:30:58 aec courierpop3login: authdaemon: REJECT |
| 08:01.15 | thyko | " |
| 08:01.25 | thyko | yet the user is in the users table |
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| 08:04.36 | stew | thyko: turn on mysql logging, and watch the mysql statements that are being executed to see if they are what you expect |
| 08:04.49 | stew | thyko: try running the mysql statements by hand |
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| 08:05.13 | stew | thyko: also make sure you have a "authdaemond.mysql" process running and not at "authdaemond.plain" running |
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| 08:06.14 | possie | how can i get the WWN for my host? |
| 08:07.55 | KaOzx | what files i need to perform a debian net-install from a USB pendrive? I downloaded the debian bussines card iso. |
| 08:08.31 | peterS | KaOzx: the Debian installation guide talks a bit about this. you need the hd-media files. |
| 08:08.48 | stew | !usb-install |
| 08:08.49 | dpkg | it has been said that usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 08:09.11 | stew | hopefully that is not out of date |
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| 08:09.26 | wdamn | Hi, what I have to install for having wx-config command? |
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| 08:09.30 | stew | KaOzx: check "/msg dpkg ig" first |
| 08:09.41 | stew | possie: what is WWN? |
| 08:10.07 | KaOzx | thanks you! |
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| 08:11.27 | possie | stew: World Wide Name |
| 08:12.26 | zpiff | I have a passive ethernet tap so I have two interfaces on my box one for each flow and trying to reassemble the traffic on a bond0 interface but i only get a lot of error packets |
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| 08:15.17 | thyko | stew: ok, where does the authenticatio daemon look for the passwoed |
| 08:15.26 | thyko | i am soo stuck |
| 08:15.27 | thyko | ! |
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| 08:16.40 | stew | thyko: in the mysql database. which is why you should turn on mysql logging so you can see the query its trying to execute to check the password |
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| 08:19.36 | possie | is there away to increase the inodes on a ext3 partition? |
| 08:20.23 | stew | possie: i don't think so, if there was, it would be via tune2fs |
| 08:20.53 | jetscreamer | you can decrease them iirc so increase should be possible, and yeah man tune2fs |
| 08:21.24 | jetscreamer | but i don't know if that's with data or what |
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| 08:25.52 | thyko | stew: SELECT id, clear, "", uid, gid, home, concat(home,'/',maildir), "", name, "" FROM users WHERE id = "aussie" AND (enabled=1); |
| 08:26.00 | thyko | thats returning an empty set |
| 08:26.03 | thyko | why? |
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| 08:27.28 | thyko | and yet those vallues exist |
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| 08:29.04 | Dwonis | are double quotes allowed like that in MySQL? |
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| 08:30.21 | stew | thyko: either you don't have a user with id="aussie" or "aussie" has enabled<>1 |
| 08:30.30 | cplx | anyone know a free web based helpdesk system? |
| 08:30.41 | stew | thyko: do you perhaps have aussie@domain.com instead of aussie? |
| 08:31.05 | cydork | thyko: i dont think you can do select "" that doesn't make sence. |
| 08:31.27 | Dwonis | cydork: you can |
| 08:31.53 | Dwonis | cydork: You can do stuff like "SELECT 5+5" too |
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| 08:32.40 | cydork | Dwonis: oh ok. i will check it out. |
| 08:33.04 | thyko | mysql> SELECT id, clear,enabled FROM users where clear='aussie'; |
| 08:33.05 | thyko | +-------------------------+--------+---------+ |
| 08:33.05 | thyko | | id | clear | enabled | |
| 08:33.05 | thyko | +-------------------------+--------+---------+ |
| 08:33.05 | thyko | | aussie@localhost | aussie | 1 | |
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| 08:33.06 | Dwonis | cplx: Well, there's request-tracker |
| 08:33.19 | Dwonis | cplx: that may or may not be the kind of thing you're looking for |
| 08:33.21 | cplx | Dwonis: that a helpdesk system? |
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| 08:33.31 | Dwonis | cplx: well, an issue-tracking system |
| 08:33.36 | thyko | wow! |
| 08:33.44 | cplx | Dwonis: thanks |
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| 08:34.46 | stew | thyko: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin |
| 08:34.47 | Dwonis | cplx: You could search freshmeat.net |
| 08:35.03 | stew | thyko: that db row says "aussie@localhost" not "aussie" |
| 08:35.37 | stew | thyko: so you likely want to run "update users set id='aussie' where id='aussie@localhost';" |
| 08:36.23 | stew | thyko: OR you have to use the username "aussie@localhost" in your pop client |
| 08:36.36 | cplx | Dwonis: RT looks good, cheers ;) |
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| 08:36.48 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 08:37.07 | Dwonis | cplx: y'welcome |
| 08:38.06 | cplx | Dwonis: you able to assist on the installation with me? |
| 08:38.13 | thyko | stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0Ov9JB59.html |
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| 08:38.51 | stew | 04:38 < stew> thyko: that db row says "aussie@localhost" not "aussie" |
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| 08:39.23 | thyko | stew: ok, doing that ... |
| 08:40.03 | Dwonis | cplx: If you have a specific question, ask it, though I probably won't be here much longer tonight |
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| 08:42.24 | yang | Is there in sarge a package to "build a suitable crosstoolchain" ...needed for compilers on mips? |
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| 08:45.22 | pilgrim | how do I set the GID of a folder? |
| 08:45.37 | Kevin` | chown :group folder |
| 08:46.54 | wut | whenever i try to install k3b i get this error http://pastebin.ca/raw/101926 it might have something to do with me using the .deb |
| 08:47.02 | wut | i compiled it from source |
| 08:47.17 | pilgrim | Kevin`, I don't mean change the owner, I mean the the GID. |
| 08:47.22 | pilgrim | orchid, set the gid |
| 08:47.26 | pilgrim | or* |
| 08:47.30 | Kevin` | notice the : |
| 08:47.36 | mha13 | im unable to install glx (http://pastebin.com/757922) |
| 08:47.38 | Kevin` | chown takes the form user:group |
| 08:47.51 | pilgrim | Kevin`, ok... |
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| 08:48.17 | Kevin` | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-07-27 03:58 file |
| 08:48.22 | Kevin` | root@kwzs:~# chown :users file |
| 08:48.23 | pilgrim | Kevin`, I want so every file in X dir. will have group owner "bob" |
| 08:48.26 | Kevin` | -rw-r--r-- 1 root users 0 2006-07-27 03:58 file |
| 08:48.35 | pilgrim | Kevin`, you don't get me. |
| 08:48.57 | Kevin` | oh? |
| 08:49.03 | stoned | -R |
| 08:49.06 | Kevin` | every sub dir too? |
| 08:49.12 | stoned | for fucks sake read the manpage |
| 08:49.19 | Kevin` | that would surely help |
| 08:49.24 | pilgrim | stoned, what about once not already created. |
| 08:49.32 | Kevin` | although the manpage does not allow :group without user |
| 08:49.35 | Kevin` | even though it works |
| 08:49.42 | mha13 | pilgrim:chown :bob -R * |
| 08:49.42 | zirikili | does anyone can suggest a very simple pop3 server which uses passwd for authentication just like that ones on early days? |
| 08:49.56 | peterS | pilgrim: chmod g+s |
| 08:50.02 | pilgrim | pearl, bigno |
| 08:50.10 | pilgrim | peterS, thanks :) |
| 08:50.51 | mha13 | zirikili:postfix sendmail ? .. |
| 08:50.56 | Kevin` | ones not already created will be created as the group of the process that created them |
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| 08:52.17 | pilgrim | Kevin`, no they won't. |
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| 08:52.21 | zirikili | mha13: no. I mean a pop3 server. postfix is already running. |
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| 08:53.13 | Kevin` | pilgrim http://kwzs.be/lala.txt |
| 08:53.14 | simonrvn | courier can do that... dunno if you'd call it simple... some people swear by dovecot. |
| 08:53.33 | mha13 | zirikili:add imap or pop3 pacages |
| 08:53.35 | pilgrim | Kevin`, ok. sure. why not. |
| 08:53.55 | Kevin` | well, explain why not, if you have some reason to say to |
| 08:53.56 | Kevin` | so* |
| 08:54.14 | zirikili | simonrvn: thanks |
| 08:55.13 | mha13 | http://rimuhosting.com/support/settingupemail.jsp?mta=postfix&t=pop3outlook |
| 08:55.18 | pilgrim | Kevin`, if you set the GID bit, the child file will take the group parent of the parent directory. |
| 08:55.20 | mha13 | zirikili:it's for you.. |
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| 08:55.53 | pilgrim | Kevin`, although, can't seem to prove it yet. |
| 08:56.10 | mha13 | im getting errors about nvidia-glx-legacy but this package isn't installed |
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| 08:56.57 | Kevin` | pilgrim http://kwzs.be/lala.txt - there you go |
| 08:57.04 | Kevin` | perhaps I should have said, by defauly |
| 08:57.40 | pilgrim | Kevin`, nm. I proved it. http://pastebin.ca/102064 |
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| 08:57.54 | Kevin` | heh, beat you :) |
| 08:58.10 | pilgrim | Kevin`, :) |
| 08:58.15 | pilgrim | Kevin`, thanks for your help. |
| 08:59.08 | Kevin` | pilgrim perhaps you should add to that the output of 'id' |
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| 09:00.07 | pilgrim | Kevin`, not sure I understand you. |
| 09:00.26 | Kevin` | well, for all I know, your primary/current group could be web |
| 09:00.38 | pilgrim | Kevin`, good point. but it's not :) |
| 09:01.15 | pilgrim | http://pastebin.ca/102067 |
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| 09:03.25 | horror_vacui | I'm setting up postfix+dovecot+squirrelmail on a server... After creating a new local user and sending mail to this user, postfix complains about not being able to create a Maildir for the user... |
| 09:04.39 | zirikili | mha13: thanks. unfortunaly the dovecot package (testing version) does not use passwd for authentication. |
| 09:04.41 | horror_vacui | ...the location for user maildirs is /var/mail, which is owned by group "mail" - where does this group come from? Postfix uses the group postfix... |
| 09:05.06 | horror_vacui | Is the "mail" group perhaps a leftover from the default debian MTA or something? |
| 09:05.35 | mha13 | zirikili:did you try courier with pop3 support ? |
| 09:06.04 | ozubu | hi all |
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| 09:06.38 | ozubu | I am trying to compile kqemu on my machine without success can any1 help ? |
| 09:07.06 | zirikili | mha13: yes. I did install it yesterday. there is no plain authentication like in older versions |
| 09:07.07 | wut | what error do you get |
| 09:07.34 | ozubu | wut, I got a few |
| 09:07.37 | kuckuck | hi... I wanna install my debian on a software raid1. I heard that there is an installercd which offers such an option during the installation... I don't wanna make everything by hand with all the moving of data... |
| 09:07.45 | wut | ozubu, google some of them |
| 09:07.51 | ozubu | I did |
| 09:08.19 | ozubu | but I don't seem to understand what it says- it cant find the kernel includes |
| 09:08.25 | ozubu | how do I get them ? |
| 09:08.28 | mha13 | dpkg complains about nvidia-glx-legacy but this package isn't installed |
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| 09:10.29 | kuckuck | damn even suse offers a RAID setup during the installation ! |
| 09:10.48 | ozubu | wut, can you explain what are the kernel headers ? |
| 09:11.38 | wut | i've heard the problem before but i forgot how to solve it |
| 09:11.59 | wut | i think it had something to do with gcc |
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| 09:12.08 | wut | but i cant really help |
| 09:13.09 | mha13 | ozubu: some times you need the same gcc as your kernel bean copmiled with |
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| 09:14.02 | mha13 | ozubu:try installing gcc-4.1 and 4.0 |
| 09:15.04 | ozubu | mha13, ok 10x, i'll try |
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| 09:15.18 | mha13 | ozubu:np |
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| 09:17.01 | ozubu | mha13, I have the latest gcc 4.0 |
| 09:17.24 | mha13 | ozubu:what kernel do you run ? .. |
| 09:17.49 | mha13 | ozubu:it should be equel to the gccc that was used for you kernel |
| 09:17.52 | ozubu | 2.6.15-26-386 |
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| 09:21.32 | RichiH | peterS: still, it exists here, too ;) |
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| 09:21.40 | RichiH | peterS: not mandatory, of course |
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| 09:26.52 | vick | How do i get /usr/include/* files on debian ? |
| 09:28.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` maybe |
| 09:28.50 | jetscreamer | if you want kernel headers |
| 09:29.20 | wut | damn they're up to 15 |
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| 09:32.45 | vick | jetscreamer: downloaded those files, still couldn't find stdio.h and string.h and those files |
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| 09:37.23 | mha13 | ozubu:you did install linux-headers-2.6.15 ? |
| 09:37.39 | RichiH | gah. i am getting those annoying 'Install these packages without verification' messages again! |
| 09:37.54 | RichiH | why can't those packages be signed as they should? |
| 09:37.56 | wut | at least your apt-get is doomed |
| 09:38.00 | wut | isn't* |
| 09:38.24 | simon23 | hi there can anyone tell me a command to change the performance governor of a centrino CPU? Kernel already compiled with the ... stuff for that. and comp is to slow to watch DVDs with 1,7 Ghz !! gkrellm shows that teh cpu is switching the frequency continously. How can i set the CPU to full speed ? |
| 09:41.52 | mha13 | im getting dpkg-divert error and i can't install nvidia-glx |
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| 09:44.41 | zirikili | how do I fix this dpkg error? "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 09:44.55 | Gnea | zirikili: by providing more information |
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| 09:45.29 | Greyteam | DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MEANING OF RED APPLE IN VATIKAN?? |
| 09:45.44 | Gnea | Greyteam: your mom. |
| 09:45.49 | Dwonis | Gnea: nice |
| 09:45.54 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:45.55 | Greyteam | HO HO HO |
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| 09:46.17 | Gnea | so, anyone wanna buy a compaq proliant to run debian on? :) |
| 09:46.25 | zirikili | Gnea: "Errors were found while processing: courier-authdaemon" |
| 09:46.31 | wut | Dwonis, even after compiling from source it still gives me the moc error |
| 09:46.43 | Gnea | zirikili: mkay, what branch of debian is that? |
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| 09:46.53 | zirikili | Gnea: testing |
| 09:47.06 | Gnea | !info courier-authdaemon etch |
| 09:47.10 | dpkg | courier-authdaemon: (Courier authentication daemon), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.58-3 (etch), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 09:47.16 | Dwonis | wut: you might have to point it at the right build directory. Either that, or you should install the *other* qt -dev package |
| 09:47.30 | wut | what *other* one? |
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| 09:47.39 | Dwonis | wut: There was a version 3 and a version 4 |
| 09:47.53 | Gnea | wut: apt-cache search qt dev |
| 09:48.01 | mha13 | how to fix clashes in dpkg ? |
| 09:48.12 | zirikili | Gnea: so, how do I fix it? |
| 09:48.54 | Gnea | !dbugs #378571 |
| 09:48.57 | dpkg | #378571:[courier-authdaemon] courier-authdaemon: socket directory should have 750 permissions; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:48:26 UTC |
| 09:49.08 | Dwonis | wut: You might also need to provide an option to ./configure |
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| 09:49.16 | lnxr | hey |
| 09:49.35 | lnxr | im going to install debian to my hdd, rather than running it in vmware |
| 09:49.43 | Greyteam | DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MEANING OF RED APPLE IN VATIKAN? |
| 09:49.48 | lnxr | ive downloaded the netinst iso |
| 09:49.48 | wut | right now what i'm doing is ./configure --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/ |
| 09:49.50 | Gnea | zirikili: tried this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=139356 |
| 09:49.55 | Gnea | !troll Greyteam |
| 09:50.05 | Greyteam | YE S 0130 AM |
| 09:50.07 | lnxr | and im just wondering, can i use netinst with my wireless network? |
| 09:50.10 | Gnea | ~troll Greyteam |
| 09:50.17 | apt | ACTION hereby declares Greyteam a troll |
| 09:50.17 | wut | i can't find moc anywhere in the qt dir |
| 09:50.17 | Dwonis | !tell Greyteam -about repeat |
| 09:50.42 | Greyteam | AA |
| 09:50.46 | Greyteam | AAA |
| 09:50.47 | Greyteam | AAA |
| 09:50.56 | lnxr | two words |
| 09:50.58 | lnxr | fuck |
| 09:50.58 | lnxr | and |
| 09:50.59 | lnxr | off |
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| 09:51.10 | lnxr | whoops |
| 09:51.11 | lnxr | lol |
| 09:51.28 | Greyteam | 0130 KNOW UR MUM NAME |
| 09:51.30 | Gnea | ~ops Greyteam is spamming, offtopic, repeating and typing in all caps: ( 05:48 Greyteam ) DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MEANING OF RED APPLE IN VATIKAN? |
| 09:51.31 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Greyteam is spamming, offtopic, repeating and typing in all caps: ( 05:48 Greyteam ) DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MEANING OF RED APPLE IN VATIKAN |
| 09:51.31 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, azeem, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Greyteam is spamming, offtopic, repeating and typing in all caps: ( 05:48 Greyteam ) DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MEANING OF RED APPLE IN VATIKAN |
| 09:51.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: gnea complains about: Greyteam is spamming, offtopic, repeating and typing in all caps: ( 05:48 Greyteam ) DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MEANING OF RED APPLE IN VATIKAN |
| 09:51.32 | Maulkin | Greyteam: Do you have a debian question? |
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| 09:52.05 | Gnea | ~beer Maulkin |
| 09:52.07 | apt | ACTION pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Maulkin |
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| 09:52.13 | Gnea | wow. |
| 09:52.17 | Gnea | 3 at once |
| 09:52.32 | azeem | !hi |
| 09:52.32 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 09:52.37 | azeem | ~hi |
| 09:52.38 | apt | hello, azeem |
| 09:52.38 | ravenbird | Many greetings, azeem, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 09:52.56 | azeem | hr |
| 09:53.10 | RichiH | azeem, Gnea: he seems to be traversing the net |
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| 09:53.13 | lnxr | will netinst work with my wireless network? |
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| 09:53.19 | lnxr | (WEP encryped) |
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| 09:53.32 | Gnea | RichiH: crack is bad, mmkay? |
| 09:53.32 | RichiH | s/azeem/maulkin/ |
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| 09:54.05 | Maulkin | RichiH: ta, noted |
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| 09:54.27 | zirikili | Gnea: thanks. I'll try later |
| 09:54.52 | Gnea | zirikili: well, there's a solution there... did it not work? |
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| 09:57.03 | zirikili | Gnea: I did not find it. I need to leave now. IÄ'll connect again from office. thanks. |
| 09:57.20 | Gnea | zirikili: good luck |
| 09:57.20 | RichiH | klined |
| 09:57.25 | Makara_ | could anyone tell me how to can I write unicode on linux ? |
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| 09:57.28 | peoro | hi |
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| 09:57.37 | Gnea | RichiH: i'll drink to that |
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| 09:57.45 | vick | which package has C header files ? |
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| 09:58.10 | Gnea | vick: any with a -dev extension in the package name |
| 09:58.19 | lnxr | will debian netinst work with my wireless network if i have the WEP key? |
| 09:58.37 | Gnea | lnxr: dunno, never tried |
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| 09:58.59 | lnxr | well, i guess ill find out |
| 09:59.08 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:59.36 | vick | Gnea: i mean like /usr/include/stdio.h |
| 09:59.37 | vick | etc.. |
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| 09:59.54 | lnxr | oh |
| 09:59.58 | lnxr | thats libc i think |
| 10:00.03 | Gnea | libc6-dev |
| 10:00.26 | lnxr | isnt that one of the default packages though? |
| 10:00.27 | lnxr | :S |
| 10:02.30 | peoro | a couple af weeks ago i installed libqt4-dev to write some little application with qt4. yesterday i installed libqt3-dev to compile a my old application. now libqt3 is the default qt lib (makefiles generated by qmake use qt3)... how can i use qt4 as default? :F |
| 10:03.04 | Dwonis | peoro: Install libqt4-dev again |
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| 10:03.29 | Dwonis | peoro: I don't think you can have the -dev packages for multiple versions of qt installed at the same time |
| 10:03.38 | peoro | i've just tried... i've even removed qt3-dev but it doesn't work |
| 10:03.55 | peoro | uhm... |
| 10:04.28 | Gnea | lnxr: no, libc6 is |
| 10:04.32 | simon23 | ho can i reject the cpufreq governor ? got the cpufreq switching all the time, now i want full power ? no switching , so what di i have to do ? |
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| 10:05.18 | asg | simon23: rmmod the kernel module |
| 10:05.20 | peoro | when i've tried to istall qt3-dev, apt didn't said that there was problem |
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| 10:05.43 | peoro | it installed qt3-dev without any problem, without removing qt4-dev ... |
| 10:07.27 | simon23 | asg: which module? |
| 10:07.44 | simon23 | asg: just have speedstep_centrino and cpu as module ... |
| 10:07.45 | asg | simon23: lsmod | grep cpufreq |
| 10:07.57 | asg | simon23: or the speedstep one |
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| 10:08.28 | aurel | hi |
| 10:08.42 | simon23 | is there another way to change the speedstep governor? like switching OR maxSpeed? |
| 10:09.47 | simon23 | not with unloading the kernel module... thats like ... not so "elegant"..(-> compfortable) |
| 10:09.52 | aurel | hm, which repository must i add to my source list to get a full-functional mplayer? |
| 10:10.08 | asg | simon23: iirc, there is a tweakable in /proc/acpi or /sys. Can't remember what it is offhand though. |
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| 10:11.00 | simon23 | asg: i had a look at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 10:11.24 | lnxr | im going to try netinst |
| 10:11.30 | cydork | !tell aurel about marillat |
| 10:11.34 | lnxr | brb |
| 10:11.45 | simon23 | there is "performance" in that file but what must be in this file for NOT switching ? |
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| 10:11.54 | yassinework | hi everyone |
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| 10:12.09 | yassinework | which contains apxs2 ? |
| 10:12.17 | asg | yassinework: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:12.18 | yassinework | which package contains apxs2 ? |
| 10:12.23 | yassinework | okay |
| 10:13.57 | yassinework | asg nothing comes back not even that it does found nothing |
| 10:14.09 | shad0w | can anyone tell me how i can get grub to boot off the kernel i compiled? they are both in /boot but its still booting off of 2.6.16 |
| 10:14.16 | asg | yassinework: the bit about 'apt-file' is quite useful |
| 10:14.34 | asg | shad0w: did you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 10:14.41 | shad0w | nope :o |
| 10:14.59 | asg | shad0w: you'll need to to add the kernel so it shows up in the grub menu |
| 10:15.19 | shad0w | so it can dualboot with the old kernel? |
| 10:15.25 | asg | shad0w: yes |
| 10:15.32 | shad0w | sweet |
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| 10:17.35 | shad0w | hmm.. i dont have a new initrd for it, whatever that is |
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| 10:17.43 | grey_gandalf | hello all |
| 10:18.08 | asg | shad0w: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 10:18.14 | shad0w | yea |
| 10:18.15 | grey_gandalf | I'm attempting to isntall debian on a laptop of a colleague but I have torubles getting X to start |
| 10:18.40 | grey_gandalf | I switched to unstable, which updated me to xorg but ... |
| 10:18.42 | cydork | !tell shad0w about kernel-package |
| 10:19.03 | asg | shad0w: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 10:19.36 | grey_gandalf | what is the cleanest way to upgrade to a 2.6 series kernel ? |
| 10:20.16 | asg | grey_gandalf: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install from the list provided) |
| 10:20.36 | asg | grey_gandalf: or apt-get install linux-image (etch and sid) |
| 10:22.07 | yassinework | asg, well i have the package installed its the apache2-dev but i dont have the command apxs2 nowhere any idea please ? |
| 10:22.32 | asg | yassinework: asg@grep:~$ apt-file search apxs2 |
| 10:22.32 | asg | apache2-prefork-dev: usr/bin/apxs2 |
| 10:22.38 | grey_gandalf | asg: my debian version says I am 3.1 and my sources point tu "unstable" which version do I have? etch? sarge? sid? |
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| 10:23.06 | asg | grey_gandalf: something horrible and likely broken at this point. Have you installed any packages or run 'dist-upgrade' after changing your sources? |
| 10:23.10 | Shadur | asg: How about apt-get install kernel-package? |
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| 10:23.29 | yassinework | asg, gives me noting back |
| 10:23.51 | asg | yassinework: did you run 'apt-file update' first? |
| 10:23.51 | yassinework | bash: usr/bin/apxs2: No such file or directory |
| 10:23.56 | Gnea | !ask |
| 10:23.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:24.04 | yassinework | no ill do it now |
| 10:24.16 | cydork | yassinework: that is in apache2-prefork-dev |
| 10:24.18 | Coke | Hello. Is there a list of checksum on binaries (after installation) so I can check whether or not it's the verified Debian file installed? |
| 10:24.27 | petemc | Coke: debsums |
| 10:24.30 | shad0w | brb |
| 10:24.34 | yassinework | cydork, thanks |
| 10:24.35 | asg | cydork: it's also in apache2-threaded-dev. He needs to decide which he's running. |
| 10:24.37 | Coke | petemc: really? that is f awesome. :) |
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| 10:24.59 | Coke | petemc: I thought that was just my fantasy. |
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| 10:25.27 | petemc | you're living the dream now.. |
| 10:25.34 | yassinework | cydork, asg thanks guys! |
| 10:26.03 | Coke | petemc: I know. Debian is the dream. |
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| 10:27.37 | c_k | anyone here got any experience with setting up tac-plus using mysql |
| 10:28.14 | Coke | Can bash pipe stderr along with stdout somehow? |
| 10:28.36 | asg | Coke: 2>&1 | foo |
| 10:28.52 | Coke | asg: ah, yeah, merge works with pipe? cool. |
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| 10:34.57 | Coke | petemc: some binaries don't have an md5 checksum it seems, is it possible that the debsums list of sums is incomplete? |
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| 10:35.38 | lnxr | hi |
| 10:35.46 | lnxr | ive got a problem with the debian installer |
| 10:35.51 | lnxr | it doesnt detect my hdd |
| 10:36.04 | lnxr | (its in NTFS format) |
| 10:36.13 | lnxr | i want to dual boot it with my xp |
| 10:37.07 | petemc | lnxr: is it sata? |
| 10:37.16 | lnxr | lemme check |
| 10:37.18 | lnxr | one sec |
| 10:37.30 | Coke | petemc: when I reinstalled the package the checksum was there. can I assume that somebody has messed with the package or what? |
| 10:37.52 | petemc | Coke: im not hugely familiar with the workings of debsums |
| 10:38.14 | lnxr | petemc: nope, its an IDE |
| 10:38.28 | Coke | petemc: ah. ok. sorry mate. I'll use google instead of petemc then. :) |
| 10:38.32 | petemc | :) |
| 10:39.32 | lnxr | im running the installation in expert mode though, as i have to stop the installer trying to start PC Card services |
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| 10:39.41 | lnxr | because it freezes when it tries to |
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| 10:40.47 | lnxr | so, can anybody help? |
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| 10:42.07 | aurel | i have problems adding the marillat rep to my source list |
| 10:42.32 | aurel | W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 10:43.29 | roger21 | ou je peux trouver des iso netinstall de etch ? |
| 10:43.47 | schasi | aurel: look on the homepage. this "problem" has been solved |
| 10:43.48 | Fox | roger21: wrong channel, ask on debianfr or debian-fr |
| 10:43.58 | roger21 | oups right |
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| 10:44.04 | Fox | or ask in english :) |
| 10:44.07 | schasi | roger21: debian.org |
| 10:44.12 | Dwonis | roger21: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 10:44.14 | roger21 | well why not |
| 10:44.23 | lnxr | netinst wont detect my hdd |
| 10:44.27 | lnxr | can anybody help? |
| 10:44.38 | lnxr | (its and IDE ntfs formatted hdd) |
| 10:44.40 | lnxr | an* |
| 10:44.49 | roger21 | Dwonis, yep but i don't find testing's one |
| 10:45.21 | roger21 | oh ok i found it |
| 10:45.35 | aurel | schasi: well, which homepage, i can#t find an offical page for this rep |
| 10:45.49 | schasi | debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:46.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | '' ldd /sbin/init '' shows me '' linux-gate.so.1 ''. But this lib doesn't exist on my system. Can this be? |
| 10:46.15 | WoodyWoodpecker | lnxr: Did you bios detect your HDD? |
| 10:46.19 | lnxr | yeah |
| 10:46.24 | lnxr | i have xp installed on it |
| 10:46.30 | lnxr | and it works without any problems |
| 10:46.41 | schasi | xp? |
| 10:46.51 | lnxr | windows xp |
| 10:46.58 | lnxr | i want to dual boot it with debian |
| 10:47.03 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: I think linux-gate.so.1 is provided by the kernel for making system calls |
| 10:47.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | What _exactly_ does your installation wizard tell you? |
| 10:47.13 | lnxr | i did it with SuSE before, so it should work |
| 10:47.30 | lnxr | it asks me to make sure that an hdd is attached to the system |
| 10:47.31 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: This is a good guess ... I never thought about that. |
| 10:47.34 | cydork | me thinks Dual booting is for people who can't really decide why they bought a |
| 10:47.35 | cydork | PC in the first place. |
| 10:47.36 | lnxr | as it cant find it |
| 10:47.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: So is it in kernel-space? |
| 10:48.13 | WoodyWoodpecker | lnxr: Try a different installation CDs. |
| 10:48.26 | lnxr | like, an older version? |
| 10:48.27 | Dwonis | WoodyWoodpecker: http://www.trilithium.com/johan/2005/08/linux-gate/ |
| 10:48.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | lnxr: Which version do you try? |
| 10:49.01 | lnxr | Debian 3.1 rOa i |
| 10:49.18 | cydork | aurel: read http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 10:49.44 | whatever | Does anyone here know how to use NF variable in awk? |
| 10:49.58 | WoodyWoodpecker | Dwonis: thank you very much. |
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| 10:50.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | lnxr: Yes, try an older one. |
| 10:50.22 | lnxr | okay, thanks |
| 10:50.39 | c_k | anyone here used tac-plus at all???? |
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| 10:51.04 | marcus_ | hey. Is it possible to make a Provides: line provide a certain version of a package? |
| 10:51.51 | lnxr | ill try the business card installer |
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| 10:52.37 | aurel | cydork: works |
| 10:53.20 | marcus_ | (I have a package cpan-libcatalyst-perl, which has been superseeded by cpan-libcatalyst-runtime-perl, however every package depends on cpan-libcatalyst-perl 5.66, and I can't make the catalyst-runtime package say it provides libcatalyst-perl 5.70 |
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| 10:54.16 | aurel | cydork: hm, but what i am missing on this page is, how should i add it to the source list, i tried it with "deb <uri> etch main" and it works correct, but i don't know if i exclude some packages this way |
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| 10:54.41 | E-bola | can u make apt-get not use that diff system that seem to ahve been introduced? IT makes it much slower to update |
| 10:56.17 | asg | E-bola: use sarge. It hasn't got diff support yet. |
| 10:56.55 | E-bola | I do on msot boxes, but got a couple where it was easier to use etch on, cuz of the newer kernel packages |
| 10:57.07 | E-bola | There isnt any way to simply turn it off in newer versions? |
| 10:57.16 | asg | E-bola: you can run newer kernels on sarge if you wish |
| 10:57.24 | asg | E-bola: no, I don't think you can turn it off. |
| 10:57.42 | E-bola | hmm :( |
| 10:58.11 | asg | E-bola: you could check apt.conf(5) and apt_preferences(5) to see, but I don't think you can. |
| 10:58.11 | Maulkin | marcus_: No, that's called versioned provides, and isn't supported |
| 10:58.14 | E-bola | U would think ti woudl go faster but its actualy many times slower |
| 10:58.21 | E-bola | maybe its my latency |
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| 10:58.28 | E-bola | but the bandwith is fine |
| 10:58.35 | marcus_ | Maulkin: I guess I can use Replaces: instead? |
| 10:58.45 | Maulkin | marcus_: Well, sort of. you can have (= version) IIRC |
| 10:58.46 | E-bola | asg: thanks for answering |
| 10:59.03 | marcus_ | Maulkin: yepp, just found it in the developer docs |
| 10:59.08 | Maulkin | marcus_: You probably don't mean proviedes though. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:59.23 | Maulkin | This is a question in the NM templates too BTW |
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| 10:59.42 | marcus_ | Maulkin: I explained what I'm trying to do on the second line above. |
| 11:00.09 | Maulkin | marcus_: ahh, ok. A package rename basically? |
| 11:00.17 | marcus_ | Maulkin: yes |
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| 11:00.52 | wut | i'm getting a new error after installing a new qt "configure:29827: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!" |
| 11:01.10 | Maulkin | marcus_: See chapter 7 of policy |
| 11:01.32 | Maulkin | marcus_: you basically want conflicts + replaces |
| 11:01.58 | marcus_ | Maulkin: yea, that's what I'm trying now. Thanks :) |
| 11:02.28 | Maulkin | marcus_: Also see dev-ref 5.9. |
| 11:02.29 | Maulkin | 3 |
| 11:02.41 | Coke | I have downloaded ALSA separately from the 2.6.16 source, is there an easy way to include the downloaded version of ALSA in the kernel package built by make-kpkg? |
| 11:02.58 | Maulkin | (oh, and next time, ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org :P) |
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| 11:03.37 | marcus_ | Maulkin: mkay :) |
| 11:03.51 | kbrooks | Maulkin: irc.oftc.net |
| 11:03.52 | marcus_ | I was already on freenode, and it worked. |
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| 11:04.24 | Maulkin | kbrooks: Yes, they point to the same place. |
| 11:04.24 | whatever | Is there a variable for all words before $NF on a particular line in AWK? |
| 11:04.37 | cydork | !tell Coke about alsa one-liner |
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| 11:04.42 | kbrooks | whats $NF |
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| 11:04.51 | whatever | last word in AWK. |
| 11:05.01 | whatever | last word on a line, variable... |
| 11:05.22 | whatever | I have file --> company name ticker --> "ticker" is $NF |
| 11:05.30 | whatever | but I need to get company name under a variable |
| 11:05.41 | whatever | some company names have 3 words, others 1 |
| 11:06.06 | asg | whatever: there are 31 people in #awk |
| 11:06.26 | Gnea | asg: can they count to 32? |
| 11:06.26 | marcus_ | Maulkin: with Replaces, it still seems to want to remove the dependencies on the old package. |
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| 11:06.53 | asg | Gnea: dunno about them, the ircd can though |
| 11:07.06 | Gnea | asg: well that's a relief |
| 11:07.22 | whatever | asg:31 who dont answer |
| 11:07.51 | asg | whatever: be patient |
| 11:07.56 | Gnea | whatever: sometimes you have to wait. |
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| 11:08.05 | cp_ | hi |
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| 11:08.33 | cp_ | is there any way to restore a deleted config file of a certain package? (removing and reinstalling didn't help very much) |
| 11:08.43 | Maulkin | marcus_: those packages will need a rebuild, as you're transitioning :) |
| 11:09.01 | marcus_ | Maulkin: argh, that's what I am trying to avoid in the first place. |
| 11:09.07 | marcus_ | Maulkin: they are autogenerated by cpanplus |
| 11:09.07 | asg | cp_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 11:09.20 | marcus_ | Maulkin: which reads the dependencies from Makefile.PL |
| 11:09.27 | cp_ | ok, thanks for that. |
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| 11:09.35 | marcus_ | So that means I would have to change every upstream package's Makefile.PL |
| 11:09.42 | asg | cp_: if you happen to know the inode of the file, you could probably recover it with debugfs |
| 11:10.03 | Coke | cydork: thanks, but that wasn't what I was looking for. the modules-target hit the jackpot. |
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| 11:11.34 | Maulkin | marcus_: Hmm... I'd suggest mailing debian-devel |
| 11:11.48 | Maulkin | marcus_: If that's the case, it's a non-trivial package rename |
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| 11:12.23 | Maulkin | marcus_: Cause either all those packages need to change their dependancies, or you shouldn't be renaming the package. :) |
| 11:12.24 | marcus_ | Maulkin: these packages are not in the debian repository. |
| 11:12.56 | Maulkin | marcus_: erm... where are they then? |
| 11:13.23 | marcus_ | Maulkin: In my work's private repo. |
| 11:14.48 | Maulkin | marcus_: right. If you're doing that, you dont' have to worry about policy |
| 11:15.04 | Maulkin | marcus_: Upload the old name one as a dummy package which depends on the new one. |
| 11:15.16 | marcus_ | Maulkin: thanks, that is a good solution. |
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| 11:15.50 | johnny_ | can someone help me set up xserver? |
| 11:16.09 | johnny_ | i just installed debian for the first time and i'm not really sure what to do |
| 11:16.11 | Maulkin | johnny_: What's the problem? |
| 11:16.31 | johnny_ | i'm not sure |
| 11:16.39 | johnny_ | it say's it wasnt configured correctly |
| 11:16.46 | johnny_ | i'm on a dell latitude d500 |
| 11:17.00 | johnny_ | i dont really know how to configure it |
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| 11:18.11 | asg | !drxx |
| 11:18.11 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 11:18.21 | asg | johnny_: and also check out tuxmobile.org |
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| 11:19.55 | johnny_ | i havent configured anything |
| 11:20.20 | johnny_ | i dont really know how this is my first time using debian |
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| 11:20.43 | waiting | u p0rks |
| 11:20.55 | waiting | where is a list of sections in debian? |
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| 11:20.56 | waiting | ;D |
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| 11:21.12 | waiting | :)) is it simply list on download server ftp directories? |
| 11:21.15 | yang | how do i update properly from stable to unstable |
| 11:21.25 | SeanTater | !sections |
| 11:21.26 | dpkg | sections are main, non-free, contrib. The Real Debian only includes main. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#note |
| 11:21.45 | waiting | SeanTater: :)) thy, so that is a "section" |
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| 11:22.07 | waiting | what is then written in a debian/control file as Section: ? |
| 11:22.21 | JohnRobert | does anyone know how I can alter values in /proc without catting directly to a node in there? |
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| 11:22.25 | Maulkin | Have you read policy? or developers-reference, or the new-maintainers guide? |
| 11:22.29 | JohnRobert | there's a command, but I forget what it's called |
| 11:22.37 | waiting | Maulkin: ok :) thy |
| 11:22.40 | asg | JohnRobert: sysctl |
| 11:22.46 | JohnRobert | ta |
| 11:23.00 | jduggan | yang, change stable to unstable in your sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:23.17 | asg | yang: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 11:23.25 | johnny_ | can someone help me set up xserver? |
| 11:23.32 | asg | !tell johnny_ about drxx |
| 11:24.30 | waiting | so I must write a subsection :D where is the list of subsections? |
| 11:24.49 | johnny_ | i'm pretty sure i'ts something to do with the drivers |
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| 11:24.55 | waiting | like Id like to put mine into contrib/coolstuff |
| 11:25.00 | waiting | is that valid? |
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| 11:25.23 | johnny_ | command not found asf |
| 11:25.24 | asg | johnny_: do you know what video card your laptop has? |
| 11:25.26 | johnny_ | asg* |
| 11:25.28 | CHodapp | How can I change the order in which sound modules are loaded? |
| 11:25.31 | johnny_ | i dont |
| 11:25.44 | asg | johnny_: you need to run it as root. |
| 11:26.07 | yang | there are no security lines for sid? |
| 11:26.18 | Ronin | yang: no |
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| 11:26.30 | Ronin | there are for testing and stable though |
| 11:26.34 | johnny_ | i tried su to root |
| 11:26.38 | johnny_ | but it doesnt let me |
| 11:26.41 | Ronin | sid gets updated and changed so often though |
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| 11:26.58 | Rydekull | Here I am, stuck with using sendmail. So i'd like to rewrite the user "daemon" to "root" (cron is run as root but mails at daemon). Any suggestions on how to do this? |
| 11:27.07 | asg | johnny_: did you set a root password after you installed it the first time? I would have prompted you to do so. |
| 11:27.16 | johnny_ | yea |
| 11:27.25 | johnny_ | the dell has a 855GM UMA graphics |
| 11:28.03 | asg | johnny_: then when you finally get dpkg-reconfigure running as root, you'll need to choose i810 or i915 (or perhaps vesa.) |
| 11:28.23 | asg | Rydekull: #sendmail |
| 11:28.48 | Rydekull | asg: Yes, but, it's quite sleepy. But that were my first choice after google :) |
| 11:28.50 | johnny_ | i chose vesa |
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| 11:29.47 | johnny_ | asg what do i specify to reconfigure? |
| 11:29.54 | asg | Rydekull: sendmail can rewrite just about anything; how this occurs is a mystery to most people. |
| 11:29.59 | CHodapp | Alternate question... how do I change what modules are loaded? |
| 11:30.15 | asg | johnny_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) |
| 11:30.15 | azeem | CHodapp: blacklist those you do not want loaded |
| 11:30.21 | disposable | how can i stop people logged onto my machine from executing "./exploit" ? i don't want them to be able to execute anything else than what is in $PATH |
| 11:30.21 | asg | johnny_: use the latter if the former doesn't work |
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| 11:30.37 | Rydekull | asg: Yes, I know that. It's just that it's a bit of a pain to understand how to rewrite it. Not to mention where to rewrite or, or what all the macros mean <g> |
| 11:30.40 | asg | disposable: rssh, rbash, a stiff policy |
| 11:30.56 | asg | Rydekull: that's when you go to the bookstore and buy the Bat Book. |
| 11:31.10 | CHodapp | azeem, is there any way I can change the order? I have two sound cards, one onboard and one separate, and I'd like the separate one to have priority. |
| 11:31.13 | disposable | asg: gonna google :) thanx |
| 11:31.16 | johnny_ | i'm sorry i'm new at this asg |
| 11:31.20 | johnny_ | what do you mean |
| 11:31.24 | Kevin` | disposable tell them not to, and remove their access if they do anything truely malicious.. otherwise you will annoy people away |
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| 11:31.28 | Rydekull | asg: Heh, in fact, I have the sendmail book at home. I just dont have it where im at :D |
| 11:31.33 | johnny_ | dpkg-reconfigure i810? |
| 11:31.42 | azeem | johnny_: no, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:31.55 | asg | johnny_: you become root, you type 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' Then, it will prompt you for things like your video card, monitor resolution, keyboard, mouse, etc. |
| 11:32.17 | asg | Rydekull: that's one reason I've found Safari so compelling ;) |
| 11:32.17 | azeem | CHodapp: I am not sure, maybe you can configure the alsa utils accordingly |
| 11:32.29 | johnny_ | how do i find out the video cards bus identifier? |
| 11:32.30 | azeem | CHodapp: AFAIK multiple sound cards are still a problem |
| 11:32.39 | azeem | johnny_: did you read the full message? |
| 11:32.44 | CHodapp | bleah |
| 11:33.11 | johnny_ | YEA |
| 11:33.15 | johnny_ | sorry yea |
| 11:34.13 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.13 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.13 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:34.18 | azeem | johnny_: does it say that? |
| 11:34.36 | johnny_ | no |
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| 11:35.03 | johnny_ | i chose i810 and then generic video card |
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| 11:38.00 | johnny_ | what is the moust port for laptops typically? |
| 11:38.52 | asg | johnny_: imps/2 or explorer/2 |
| 11:39.13 | johnny_ | for mouse pad? |
| 11:39.23 | asg | erm explorerPS/2 that was |
| 11:39.28 | johnny_ | all the options are /dev/ |
| 11:39.55 | asg | johnny_: then choose /dev/psaux |
| 11:39.57 | johnny_ | /dev/psaux /dev/ttyS0 - S3 /dev/input/mice |
| 11:40.22 | thyko | stew: you still there? |
| 11:40.29 | azeem | johnny_: just accept all the defaults except for what you want to change explicitely (the video driver I guess) |
| 11:41.54 | johnny_ | once i'm done restart xserver-x86free to see if it works? |
| 11:42.04 | azeem | restart X, yes |
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| 11:42.36 | johnny_ | its saying restart command isnt found |
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| 11:42.50 | marcus_ | Maulkin++ # stuff working in production |
| 11:42.56 | Maulkin | :) |
| 11:42.59 | azeem | johnny_: how do you usually start X? |
| 11:43.18 | johnny_ | i've never used debian before |
| 11:43.24 | johnny_ | usually it starts by itself |
| 11:43.36 | azeem | johnny_: so /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 11:44.33 | johnny_ | i love you |
| 11:44.51 | johnny_ | uber thanks |
| 11:46.09 | CHodapp | While you're addressing that, is there a simple Debian-ish way to set up one runlevel for graphical and one for textmode? |
| 11:46.22 | azeem | CHodapp: update-rc.d |
| 11:47.41 | kintaro0e | hello everyone, what iproute syntax that shall i add on my firewall so that i could use my ftp services? |
| 11:48.16 | kintaro0e | i mean iptables |
| 11:48.30 | CHodapp | azeem, I just read the manpage, and I can't see how exactly that's useful. |
| 11:49.33 | azeem | CHodapp: it allows you to configure the runlevels to your liking |
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| 11:50.23 | johnny_ | whats a good amount of memory to dedicate to the video card? |
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| 11:50.52 | azeem | johnny_: are you rerunning dpkg-reconfigure again? |
| 11:51.14 | johnny_ | yea |
| 11:51.22 | johnny_ | the mouse was doing this crazy thing |
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| 11:51.40 | azeem | johnny_: 13:31 < azeem> johnny_: just accept all the defaults except for what you want to change explicitely (the video driver I guess) |
| 11:51.42 | johnny_ | i would move it and it would go back to the bottom left hand part of the screen |
| 11:51.47 | azeem | exchange "video" to "mouse" |
| 11:51.55 | johnny_ | it doesnt set any defaults |
| 11:52.01 | johnny_ | it has a list for you to pick and choose |
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| 11:52.09 | azeem | so what is selected? |
| 11:52.17 | azeem | you mean for the mouse driver? |
| 11:52.22 | johnny_ | for the mouse nothing |
| 11:52.24 | johnny_ | it was just a list |
| 11:52.28 | azeem | right |
| 11:52.30 | johnny_ | you pick |
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| 11:52.38 | johnny_ | but noting was default |
| 11:52.53 | azeem | it was probably autodetected the first time around and you changed it last time |
| 11:53.20 | azeem | johnny_: you can try to figure it out with the mdetect utility |
| 11:53.29 | johnny_ | no the first time i put imps/2 |
| 11:54.34 | enouf | johnny_ : an idea; reboot the system and run 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86[or xorg]' -- or try 'modprobe mousedev' |
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| 11:55.25 | johnny_ | alright |
| 11:56.04 | enouf | johnny_ : it's a laptop with a touchpad? If so, I'm not sure what to select...but make it clear whether or not 'udev' is installed - or 'hotplug' |
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| 11:56.51 | johnny_ | does debian use the synaptic package manager? |
| 11:56.57 | enouf | yes |
| 11:57.14 | enouf | johnny_ : if you have it installed |
| 11:57.23 | userek | hi im having some problems with upgrading my etch distribution, here is the output from apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.ca/102191 any ideas? |
| 11:57.38 | johnny_ | is there anyway to install ubuntu directly off the internet |
| 11:57.44 | enouf | johnny_ : it can also use 'aptitude' and w/KDE the KPackage Manager |
| 11:58.28 | johnny_ | i have 5 breezy cd's 1 dapper live and 1 dapper desktop and none will work on this laptop |
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| 11:58.45 | enouf | johnny_ : You can do a net install I guess -- not sure what you mean by directly off the internet |
| 11:58.48 | johnny_ | i intalled it fine last week but didnt put enough swap so i reinstalled and now cant get it to work |
| 11:58.52 | Ozux | Hi, how can I release an IP address in my DHCP Network? |
| 11:58.55 | johnny_ | yea i mean net |
| 11:59.03 | johnny_ | ubuntu has net installs? |
| 11:59.17 | asg | Ozux: kill dhclient or just drop the interface |
| 11:59.18 | userek | is there any way to fix it but delete and reinstall option? :) |
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| 11:59.24 | enouf | johnny_ : Not sure - I use pure Debian, which does |
| 11:59.44 | johnny_ | so far i kind of like debian but i was getting use to ubuntu |
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| 11:59.52 | userek | johnny_, why don't you ask on #ubuntu |
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| 11:59.56 | johnny_ | i've only been using linux for about four weeks |
| 12:00.33 | johnny_ | i just figured id ask while i was here , see if anyone knew |
| 12:00.37 | Ozux | asg: is it release? I mean DHCP server know that this IP address is free and uses that IP for other station. |
| 12:00.40 | enouf | Ozux: 'ifdown eth0' perhaps -- followed by and 'ifup eth0' |
| 12:01.51 | enouf | userek: Have you done an 'apt-get update' first? |
| 12:02.15 | userek | enouf, yes i have |
| 12:02.30 | Ozux | and how can I see state of my dhcp pool? wich ip is active how many IP is allocated and so ... |
| 12:02.42 | enouf | userek: Ok, do you have a pinning assignment in /preferences |
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| 12:02.56 | enouf | userek: Ok, whoops do you have a pinning assignment in apt.conf |
| 12:03.04 | asg | Ozux: are you running a dhcp server? |
| 12:03.24 | enouf | userek: and do you have any entries in etc/apt/preferences |
| 12:03.38 | Ozux | asg: of course, I have a DHCP server and I want to see statement of my IP Scope. |
| 12:03.48 | userek | enouf, well i only changed source-list |
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| 12:04.02 | asg | Ozux: well, that will be in /etc/dhcp* and the allocated leases in /var/lib/dpkg/dhcp* |
| 12:04.03 | userek | enouf, and i have removed all unofficial respositories |
| 12:04.07 | enouf | Ozux: 'ifconfig' if all are wired I guess |
| 12:04.31 | enouf | userek: Ok, what's in sources.list -- use pastebin again;) |
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| 12:05.27 | userek | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/102195 |
| 12:05.39 | Ozux | asg: But in dhcp/* I must use cat some text file ... I need a full snapshot status of my pool a thing like "free" doing with my memory status. |
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| 12:06.14 | asg | Ozux: well, if apt-cache search dhcp doesn't produce a useful tool, write one yourself. |
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| 12:07.45 | enouf | userek: Line 5 can be removed and the 'non-free' entry just appended to line 3, just after 'contrib' |
| 12:08.20 | enouf | userek: But -- if you had previously used items from /experimental, you likely have unmet dependencies that need satisfying |
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| 12:08.28 | thyko | when postfix says (queue active) |
| 12:08.38 | thyko | what does that mean? |
| 12:08.48 | asg | #postfix (if nobody in here answers) |
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| 12:09.15 | ylooc | hi. what can cause frame errors on network device? the problem is that all clients can establish connection to me, but i cannot establish connection to them. i can establish only to some clients (i didnt find yet where is logic on which exact) |
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| 12:09.40 | Shadur | At a guess I'd say it means that the mail queue for that particular destination is active and the mail in question is about to be sent |
| 12:09.43 | enouf | userek: You also need a 'deb-src' line for /security |
| 12:09.49 | userek | enouf, i haven't use anything from sid |
| 12:10.11 | asg | ylooc: are these clients all on the same network or on separate ones? |
| 12:10.28 | userek | or wait |
| 12:10.29 | userek | uhm |
| 12:10.30 | enouf | userek: your 'security' entry -- no sid ?? -- but have you used those "commented" lines prior? |
| 12:10.51 | ylooc | asg : sepereate ones.. |
| 12:11.01 | userek | enouf, now im not sure |
| 12:11.02 | asg | ylooc: /msg dpkg ecn |
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| 12:11.40 | ylooc | asg, sorry |
| 12:11.41 | enouf | userek: let me look again at your original apt-get upgrade error pastebin |
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| 12:12.04 | userek | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/102191 |
| 12:12.08 | asg | ylooc: type '/msg dpkg ecn' in your irc client, our bot will give you information which may solve your problem |
| 12:13.02 | ylooc | asg, i have it disabled already |
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| 12:13.43 | asg | ylooc: okay, are you using pppoe? if so, check that your MTU is smaller than 1500 (should be 1492 or something similar) |
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| 12:13.57 | ylooc | asg, the problem is that when i reboot server it works normally for some time. but then suddenly happens that it stop working and it doesnt work till next reboot |
| 12:14.12 | ylooc | asg, it is 1500, which should be ok |
| 12:14.18 | enouf | userek: got it ;) -- I know there's a way to somehow force depends, but it caqn also get quite hairy (I tried once) ... and 'libc6' was the major culprit, that almost everything else couldn't do without (it's HUGE)) |
| 12:14.19 | asg | ylooc: oh. Anything interesting in /var/log/kern.log and/or /var/log/syslog? |
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| 12:14.43 | cr3 | is there some free implementation of norton ghost available? |
| 12:14.50 | asg | cr3: g4u |
| 12:15.08 | ylooc | hm, nothing. for example if i use telnet www.arnes.si 80 and then send GET / its just waiting and waiting |
| 12:15.10 | enouf | userek: There is a --fix-broken option in one of the pkg managers somewhere -- perhaps viewing/using aptitude or synaptic can help resolve the unmet depends |
| 12:15.22 | cr3 | asg: that sounds like google-for-you |
| 12:15.28 | asg | !g4u |
| 12:15.28 | dpkg | i guess g4u is ghost for unix, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
| 12:15.31 | userek | enouf, i'll try aptitude then |
| 12:15.42 | asg | ylooc: sounds like your machine and another on your network have the same IP then. |
| 12:15.43 | enouf | userek: ok |
| 12:15.53 | cr3 | nice, thanks! |
| 12:16.09 | ylooc | asg, i have three ips in network and sure there are not the same in use |
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| 12:16.32 | asg | ylooc: is it possible that either of them have the same MAC address? |
| 12:16.34 | userek | enouf, well this one doesn't have --fix-broken :P |
| 12:16.52 | ylooc | asg, and i actually dont have lan ips but internet ips on ethernet device |
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| 12:16.58 | asg | ylooc: also, check the duplex/speed settings on your systems and switch and verify that they match. |
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| 12:17.11 | ylooc | asg it is full duplex 100 mbit which is ok |
| 12:17.12 | enouf | userek: whooops -- It's likely an apt-??? option |
| 12:17.39 | ylooc | asg, i check -almost- everything and cant find the reason |
| 12:17.53 | asg | ylooc: did you manually set it or are you relying on autoneg? I've seen instances with Extreme switches where they utterly fail to neg even though both sides claim they did. |
| 12:18.17 | userek | damn it seemst it will be easier to reinstal it then to fix it |
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| 12:18.29 | ylooc | asg, auto negotiated but negotiated to right value. and as i said after reboot it works ok.. |
| 12:18.43 | |^o_o^| | Installed debian on USBDrive, showing "VFS: can't open root device sda4" while booting |
| 12:18.44 | ylooc | asg, if it would be negotiated wrong id wouldnt work after reboot i think |
| 12:18.44 | asg | ylooc: did you see anything in the logs? |
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| 12:19.01 | asg | ylooc: again, you'd think so but I've seen hardware flake just the same. |
| 12:19.11 | leks | can i somehow force the deletion of a conflicting package? |
| 12:19.19 | ylooc | asg, as i said totally nothing, dmesg doesnt show nothing to... |
| 12:19.21 | asg | leks: dpkg --force-help |
| 12:19.26 | leks | thanks |
| 12:20.28 | asg | ylooc: well, I'd start using a sniffer on the server to see what comes in and out. |
| 12:21.06 | ylooc | asg, do you have time to check it directly on my server if i give you an account? i just dont have idea and it is production server which should work..like now :) |
| 12:21.13 | |^o_o^| | what should be the option in "root=/dev/?" in grub |
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| 12:22.02 | asg | ylooc: sorry, I'm in and out and, for your protection and mine, cannot accept an account. You might also ask #networking to see if they know something else to try. |
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| 12:22.21 | Coke | Hi! I had a problem a few weeks back, I downloaded and recompiled the NVIDIA driver with a newly installed kernel and now Xorg says "nvidia" driver does not exist, even though the module is loaded. Can't remember what I did to fix it, anybody care to buy me a clue? |
| 12:22.47 | ylooc | asg, its not about protection. i can give you account inside some chroot jail :) |
| 12:22.57 | ylooc | asg, ok i understand..will try something |
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| 12:23.13 | ylooc | asg, just one more questin, is it possible that network card is damaged? |
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| 12:23.41 | enouf | userek: You may want to take the advice of your pastebin output -- 'apt-get -f install x-base-clients' for starters ... Are you using Xorg? or Xfree86? |
| 12:23.44 | ylooc | asg, i would try to replace it but it takes me about 10 hours..server is colocated about 10 hours with car away from me..this is the problem |
| 12:24.20 | zamuro | Hi... I would like to let users write and modify files into a vfat partition... How can I do such? |
| 12:24.22 | grey_gandalf | back |
| 12:24.36 | grey_gandalf | asg: I was away, we had lunch and a small offic eparty since I graduated yesterday :) |
| 12:25.00 | grey_gandalf | asg: to upgrade, I did not use apt-get upgrade, since I upgraded with aptitude |
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| 12:25.03 | enouf | userex: s/x-base-clients/xbase-clients |
| 12:25.09 | grey_gandalf | never did that, I thought it would work |
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| 12:27.13 | enouf | userex: it looks like you're right n the cusp between Xfree86 and upgrading to a full blown Xorg -- I think it depends upon your kerenl version as to 'which' is/gets installed via default |
| 12:27.16 | userek | enouf, xorg |
| 12:27.30 | enouf | Ok then |
| 12:28.04 | enouf | userex: try the -f option to force the install of what pastebin says (xbase-clients, etc) |
| 12:29.08 | userek | http://pastebin.ca/102214 |
| 12:29.18 | enouf | userex: xbase-clients, xutils, xserver-xorg ) <<--It says xserver-xorg is NOT installed ...weird if you already have it -- hold on |
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| 12:30.15 | asg | ylooc: does /sbin/ifconfig show errors or collisions on the interface? |
| 12:30.39 | enouf | userex: Do this and pastebin it ' |
| 12:30.39 | enouf | ' |
| 12:30.48 | enouf | $ dpkg -l | grep xorg |
| 12:30.58 | asg | ylooc: also, check 'netstat -s' for oddness |
| 12:31.33 | userek | wait after removing opera something is going on :P |
| 12:31.51 | cr3 | anyone happen to know about an rss feed that shows updates in the gnome panel? |
| 12:31.59 | enouf | userex: a simple dpkg -l xorg should say something like: ii xorg 7.0.22 X.Org X Window System |
| 12:33.13 | userek | man it seems i just had to remove the opera web browser and apt-get -f install did the thing now :D |
| 12:34.09 | userek | its ok now thanks for your suppport :D |
| 12:34.45 | enouf | userek: oh yeah? ...what worked apt-get -f option? |
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| 12:35.13 | userek | enouf, after dpkg --remove opera, apt-get -f install fixed everything |
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| 12:35.30 | enouf | Coool ^_^ |
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| 12:38.57 | daniele83 | hi! what is the difference between real, user and system time recorded by command "time"? |
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| 12:40.41 | asg | daniele83: real is clocktime, user is time spent in userland, system is time spent in kernel |
| 12:40.54 | amphi | daniele83: 'real' = wallclock, 'user' means cpu time in userland, 'system' cpu time in the kernel |
| 12:41.04 | Go_od | While booting kernel from /dev/sda4, kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k block-major-8, error = 2 |
| 12:41.06 | amphi | heh |
| 12:41.30 | Go_od | actully i hve installed text mode debian on USBDRIVE |
| 12:41.52 | Go_od | and it has installed successfully |
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| 12:43.26 | daniele83 | thanks asg and amphi! so, what can cause a great difference between real and user/system? Eg, to launch gvim, i get "real 1m58.414s; user 0m3.621s; sys 0m0.792s". That's an enormous difference! ANd many other applications, like gvim, take long long time to start on my notebook but without using CPU time... |
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| 12:44.12 | asg | daniele83: remember that cputime is accumulated cpu time. Processes are often getting swapped out, waiting on I/O, etc. |
| 12:44.46 | cplx | how do I find my pass for mysql database? |
| 12:45.00 | asg | cplx: did you sent one when you installed mysql? |
| 12:45.26 | grey_gandalf | asg: running apt-get upgrade, even if it did not isntall anything, fixed my debian version, which says now "testing/unstable" correctly |
| 12:45.27 | cplx | asg: not sure.. |
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| 12:46.06 | asg | grey_gandalf: *nod* |
| 12:46.28 | daniele83 | asg, ok but the delay is when I start the programs... once they are started, they run OK and speedy, but they take eons get loaded and show up. Another example is gdm, that takes minutes to start... (i'm on a 1.6GHz mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M 2200+ !!!) |
| 12:47.13 | daniele83 | how can I diagnose the cause of such a delay when starting an application? |
| 12:47.15 | asg | cplx: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here' |
| 12:47.28 | asg | daniele83: how much memory do you have? |
| 12:47.41 | Juzzy | daniele83: strace |
| 12:47.57 | daniele83 | Mem: 515600k total, 495232k used, 20368k free, 33168k buffers |
| 12:48.07 | Juzzy | do you have swap? |
| 12:48.08 | asg | daniele83: and what does the 'swap' line say? |
| 12:48.31 | daniele83 | Swap: 779080k total, 215700k used, 563380k free, 204876k cached |
| 12:48.46 | asg | daniele83: buy more memory or use fewer programs |
| 12:49.11 | asg | daniele83: you can also check the output of 'vmstat 5' and watch what happens when you start gvim |
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| 12:50.33 | daniele83 | asg: the problem is identical also when all the memory is free... I said also GDM takes minutes to start at startup, and at that time the memory is almost totally free. My 800Mhz with 360MB of ram runs much faster with 4KB of free memory than my 1.6GHz with 20MB free memory... there is something strange!!! |
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| 12:51.27 | grey_gandalf | daniele83: is your name look up correctly resolved? possibly GDM makes a reverse host name resolution |
| 12:51.31 | asg | daniele83: well, first check the output of 'vmstat 5' while you are starting gdm. Then, use strace(1) as mentioned above. |
| 12:51.58 | enouf | daniele83 run 'ps aux' and watch and compare on each machine |
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| 12:52.17 | sybariten | is it possible to see _where_ apt (or should i say dpkg) is trying to look, when it fails because it cant find a specific file? |
| 12:52.27 | asg | sybariten: the error should tell you |
| 12:52.31 | sybariten | because i have that file in the place whjere i think it should be ... so that confuses me |
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| 12:52.38 | staniel|work | hello |
| 12:52.59 | asg | sybariten: put the full error in a pastebin as well as the output of ls -l /path/to/file |
| 12:53.02 | sybariten | asg: ok, the error is something like " console-screen.sh: applet not found " |
| 12:53.06 | daniele83 | grey_gandalf: i'll check that. I mentioned gdm only because it is started when the memory is free, but the problem regards almost any program with a graphical interface |
| 12:53.06 | sybariten | oops |
| 12:53.17 | staniel|work | Im trying to run xorg with the nvidia drivers on my laptop. I was successfully able to us m-a to build the nvidia drivers, but xorg crashes, saying it can't find the nvidia driver |
| 12:54.03 | daniele83 | asg Juzzy: wow! strace is a HELL! |
| 12:54.12 | asg | daniele83: it's very informative |
| 12:54.24 | itchi | daniele83: output -o to an file?? |
| 12:54.29 | asg | daniele83: use strace -o ~/trace -s 255 /path/to/gvim (to save the output to ~/trace) |
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| 12:55.21 | Juzzy | yea hehe |
| 12:55.27 | Juzzy | but thats not helpful |
| 12:55.34 | Juzzy | you need to see what it hangs on |
| 12:55.36 | sybariten | asg: something like this http://pastebin.ca/102236 |
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| 12:55.42 | Juzzy | if its somehting internal |
| 12:55.45 | asg | !beer abrotman |
| 12:55.51 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:56.01 | Juzzy | like dns, nss, etc |
| 12:56.31 | asg | sybariten: does 'apt-get -f install' fix things? |
| 12:57.16 | grey_gandalf | asg: I have now a little trycky problem. The laptop I have has a broken internal screen, so I am running on an external monitor |
| 12:57.29 | grey_gandalf | asg: thus I need that X11 runs on the external monitor... |
| 12:57.46 | sybariten | asg, actually it doesnt ... that one too complains about console-screen.sh |
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| 12:57.54 | grey_gandalf | when I run startx I see the external monitor styaing gray instead of mirroring (or, better, running at a higher resolution than the internal monitor) |
| 12:57.55 | asg | grey_gandalf: use the keyboard magic keys on the laptop to switch to external |
| 12:58.29 | grey_gandalf | asg: the strange thing, it doesn't work! also ctrl-alt-bkspace didn't kill X as well as trying to swtich console did not work |
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| 12:58.33 | grey_gandalf | I had to hard poweroff |
| 12:58.48 | daniele83 | and now? I have the strace output... 2.3K of strange lines :) I also noticed that the subsequent time i lunch gvim it starts faster. Maybe programs gets cached somewhere? |
| 12:59.03 | asg | grey_gandalf: well, since it's a laptop, see if tuxmobile.org has any info on special things for your model |
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| 12:59.27 | asg | daniele83: paste the strace output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
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| 12:59.54 | enouf | sybariten: see http://pastebin.ca/102239 |
| 12:59.55 | asg | daniele83: programs do get cached. |
| 13:00.48 | grey_gandalf | asg: itis very strange that I can't then swtich console or else kill it |
| 13:00.58 | asg | sybariten: well, you can put 'exit 0' at the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-tools.postinst and run 'apt-get -f install' again. |
| 13:01.19 | asg | grey_gandalf: can you ssh into it or is it really hard locked? |
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| 13:01.55 | asg | sybariten: you can then remove the package and try to reinstall it. If you are running sid, make sure to check the bts |
| 13:01.59 | grey_gandalf | asg: I don't know if debian has sshd up by default. I will check now |
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| 13:02.18 | groton | hello. how would you setup a mailing list server on debian? would it be possible to do that even on cygwin i hope |
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| 13:02.42 | asg | groton: mailman is a decent choice, there are others. |
| 13:02.46 | sybariten | ok, one sec all |
| 13:02.53 | groton | asg, ok, thx |
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| 13:04.51 | groton | asg, it does not seem to be available for cygwin |
| 13:05.05 | sybariten | asg: what does the "exit 0" tell the system ? |
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| 13:05.21 | asg | sybariten: it tells the script to quit and indicate that it did so successfully |
| 13:05.28 | asg | sybariten: causing dpkg to think all is well |
| 13:05.57 | asg | groton: I was answering the bit about setting one up on Debian, I have no clue about cygwin. |
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| 13:06.17 | groton | asg, yes, i was just complaining to not use debian :) |
| 13:06.48 | asg | groton: another option is to just run Debian on Windows in VMWare and run your mailing list there. |
| 13:07.04 | groton | or colinux |
| 13:07.12 | asg | whatever floats your boat |
| 13:07.21 | sybariten | asg, uhmmm... i did that, and it does make apt look like it succeeded ... but does this mean that apt skipped a lot of important stuff in console-tools.postinst ? |
| 13:07.29 | asg | sybariten: yes |
| 13:07.33 | sybariten | hehe ok |
| 13:07.39 | sybariten | not a good solution then perhaps |
| 13:07.54 | asg | sybariten: feel free to look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-tools.postinst and manually perform any steps |
| 13:08.10 | asg | sybariten: it's the only solution for a broken package. Check the bts, file bugs. |
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| 13:08.41 | dylan_ | How do I remove KDE in one clean sweep? |
| 13:08.48 | asg | dylan_: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 13:09.34 | dylan_ | thanks |
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| 13:10.13 | thyko | how do i make courierpop3 authenticate using /etc/password? |
| 13:10.25 | grey_gandalf | asg: apparently, after the upgrade, my eth0 is not up anymore and manyally doing an dhclient eth0 doesn't help |
| 13:10.36 | Spliffter | Hi. I have just recently installed sarge and I am having some audio problems. I have a USB headset and I am unable to get it to work properly with OSS. |
| 13:11.00 | grey_gandalf | gaa. debian. I hate to admit that when I installed ubuntu everything worked out of the box. |
| 13:11.15 | grey_gandalf | bbut I couldn't bear that. I dislike ubuntu and I needed to replace it with debby |
| 13:11.34 | grey_gandalf | as a matter of principle |
| 13:11.43 | thyko | any ideas? |
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| 13:13.20 | sybariten | asg: i see, thanks! |
| 13:13.34 | Spliffter | I have just recently installed sarge and I am having some audio problems. I have a USB headset and I am unable to get it to work properly with OSS. I really don't have a clue.. |
| 13:13.35 | grey_gandalf | any ideas anyone ? |
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| 13:14.35 | itchi | Spliffter: USB are been working? Other USB stuff work on that box? |
| 13:14.58 | Spliffter | itchi: I have recently decided to try Debian from Ubuntu, where it worked fine. |
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| 13:16.09 | itchi | Spliffter: In other words, if you plug another thing, like an USB masse storage, it been work? To know that usb are /active/ |
| 13:16.28 | grey_gandalf | ok, manually tping ifup eth0 does the trick |
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| 13:17.15 | Spliffter | itchi: Sorry, but I do not have any other USB devices handy to test. |
| 13:18.11 | itchi | Spliffter: Once you plug that usb audio, the system reconize it? As root check with dmesg, lsusb |
| 13:19.39 | Spliffter | itchi: I think so. |
| 13:20.20 | asg | thyko: have courier-authdaemon use pam, which should already be configured to auth against /etc/shadow out of the box. |
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| 13:22.25 | varun | hello everybody |
| 13:22.52 | varun | i have a "problem" with bind |
| 13:22.56 | asg | varun: #bind |
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| 13:23.06 | varun | hmm |
| 13:23.08 | Spliffter | itchi: Any further suggestions? |
| 13:23.13 | asg | varun: #dns also |
| 13:23.40 | itchi | Spliffter: What mean you exactly with "I am unable to get it to work properly with OSS" ? |
| 13:23.46 | asg | varun: if the problem is that you can't install it or the installation fails, that's a different matter and you may ask here. |
| 13:23.59 | varun | i thought since its a debian machine it would be ok to ask here ... since i didnt know whereelse to go but thx asg |
| 13:24.07 | varun | ok |
| 13:24.12 | varun | sry for annoying |
| 13:24.30 | asg | varun: not annoying, we just are routing you to more relevant channels |
| 13:25.04 | abrotman | or #dns i guess |
| 13:25.04 | varun | *g* |
| 13:25.14 | asg | abrotman: 09:23 < asg> varun: #dns also |
| 13:25.16 | itchi | Spliffter: Try to tell what you do, or where you fail?? It's that part of "... work proberly" that i stress on. |
| 13:25.17 | Spliffter | itchi: ALSA is not installed, and I have tried to get it working with OSS. |
| 13:25.19 | abrotman | asg: damn you! |
| 13:25.23 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 13:25.34 | Spliffter | itchi: I just cannot get it to output sound. |
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| 13:25.58 | asg | abrotman: "NP: I'm an asshole -- Dennis Leary" |
| 13:26.08 | varun | ^^ |
| 13:26.29 | cydork | asg: ehhehehhe |
| 13:26.40 | abrotman | asg: I drive reall fast ... in ALL the lanes :) |
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| 13:27.03 | varun | does anyone mind if i ask the question i have here since nobodys answering in #dns or in #bind |
| 13:27.07 | varun | ? |
| 13:27.14 | asg | varun: you can, we'll help if we can |
| 13:27.26 | asg | abrotman: is that why you're looking for a new car? |
| 13:27.29 | itchi | Spliffter: I not know how it exactly goes with OSS :-/ |
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| 13:28.15 | itchi | Spliffter: But how or with which app try you to hear sound? |
| 13:28.35 | Spliffter | itchi: None. |
| 13:28.49 | varun | my bind is listening on a random udp port above 32700 ... and my question is .... why? is it normal did i miss anything ?? or do i have a serious problem? |
| 13:29.38 | itchi | Spliffter: Get you fancy noise with 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' ? ctrl+c to stop it |
| 13:30.05 | Spliffter | I hear nothing. |
| 13:30.24 | asg | varun: it's normal |
| 13:30.49 | itchi | Spliffter: I guess that your speakers are on, not at max volume or your gona to jump ;-) |
| 13:30.57 | Spliffter | Heh |
| 13:31.07 | varun | well asg could you tell me what its for!? |
| 13:31.31 | asg | varun: it's for bind to listen for answers that it asks of other systems. |
| 13:31.56 | asg | varun: on older versions of bind, it would use udp/53. However, version 8.1 and later use a non-privileged port for this purpose |
| 13:32.09 | asg | varun: see the comments about query-source in /etc/bind/named.conf |
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| 13:33.00 | varun | many thx (i was near a heart attack cause im putting lot of time, work and love in that machine) |
| 13:33.02 | varun | *g* |
| 13:33.17 | asg | varun: :) |
| 13:33.37 | grey_gandalf | asg: after I upgraded, ifup eth0 is not run anymore apparenlty... what goes wrong and how can I bring it automatically on ? |
| 13:33.51 | asg | grey_gandalf: put 'auto eth0' near the top of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:34.15 | Spliffter | itchi: Any further suggestions? |
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| 13:36.10 | itchi | Spliffter: Not realy :-/ Or is there an reason that you want to use OSS or not alsa? At the same time an interested question for my. I not realy know about OSS |
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| 13:36.47 | itchi | Spliffter: On the wiki of Debian, there is nothings about OSS, dpkg are dump about that subject also |
| 13:36.47 | Spliffter | itchi: ALSA does not appear to be installed. |
| 13:37.15 | itchi | Spliffter: Install it?? |
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| 13:38.27 | grey_gandalf | there is no seamonkey in debian ?!?!?! |
| 13:38.37 | azeem | grey_gandalf: calm down |
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| 13:38.58 | Shadur | See monkey do whaT? |
| 13:39.09 | grey_gandalf | hello azeem ! |
| 13:39.31 | azeem | heya |
| 13:39.34 | grey_gandalf | azeem: I gave no news of myself in "hurd" because my x86 at home is dead. the PSU exploded |
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| 13:39.34 | abrotman | asg: i have one! |
| 13:39.39 | grey_gandalf | and I was just too busy to work at it |
| 13:39.46 | grey_gandalf | azeem: I graduated yesterday :) |
| 13:39.51 | azeem | grey_gandalf: yeah, I think I saw you mentioning the PSU |
| 13:39.53 | azeem | congrats! |
| 13:40.12 | asg | abrotman: a pee pee? |
| 13:40.24 | itchi | Spliffter: Please not ask me things in PM! Your question will interest others here btw |
| 13:40.27 | grey_gandalf | thanks :) |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | asg: car |
| 13:41.25 | enouf | itchi: poor Spliffter -- so impatient and left -- I was going to suggest '~$ apt-get -s install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-xmms' |
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| 13:41.40 | asg | abrotman: ah, spiffy |
| 13:41.45 | abrotman | i guess |
| 13:41.55 | itchi | enouf: yup ;-) |
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| 13:43.10 | thyko | anyone here used popa3d? |
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| 13:43.23 | thyko | where is its config file? |
| 13:43.36 | rhalff | any project management/ order management application suggestions ? |
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| 13:43.49 | rhalff | webbased would be nice |
| 13:43.56 | asg | thyko: dpkg -L <pkg> ; /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* |
| 13:43.57 | itchi | thyko: Try to look with dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 13:45.46 | Inazad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.01 | grey_gandalf | azeem: now that I am calm, what about seamonkey? |
| 13:46.06 | itchi | !tell Inazad -about ask |
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| 13:46.31 | ktwilight | rhalff, quite a number, activecollab (like basecamp), egroupware, twiki, etc |
| 13:46.48 | Maulkin | grey_gandalf: try looking on google before asking here |
| 13:46.54 | Inazad | ok |
| 13:47.08 | Inazad | I obtain this message when I wanna run weplab --> ./weplab: error while loading shared libraries: libpcap.so.0.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | Inazad: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:47.44 | grey_gandalf | Maulkin: probably you could have answered me in the same sentence without telling me to google |
| 13:48.00 | Inazad | abrotman, I have installed slaxand many commands are unavailable |
| 13:48.10 | abrotman | wtf is slaxand ? |
| 13:48.25 | abrotman | Inazad: use http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:48.29 | azeem | grey_gandalf: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=350740 |
| 13:48.33 | itchi | Inazad: Look to apt-cache search libpcap There are interesting package you need to install probably |
| 13:48.57 | abrotman | itchi: have you heard about fishing? |
| 13:49.00 | Maulkin | grey_gandalf: Yes, I could. |
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| 13:49.20 | grey_gandalf | anyzay azeem was kind enough as often |
| 13:49.30 | itchi | abrotman: Why? |
| 13:49.31 | Inazad | itchi, thx |
| 13:49.57 | abrotman | itchi: what he's asking about is a pretty simple thing to do .. and something he should know how to do .. |
| 13:50.08 | cydork | !tell itchi about fishing |
| 13:50.25 | daniele83 | asg: i get problems posting to pastebin.com: firefox returns a php file asking to download and open it with an external application. maybe my strace output is too big... |
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| 13:50.53 | xmb | is there the mac font for linux |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | THE mac font? |
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| 13:51.09 | lnxr | hey |
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| 13:51.26 | xmb | the OS 7 - 9 font |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | do you know what the font is called? |
| 13:51.40 | asg | daniele83: maybe, see if pastbin.ca is more forgiving. |
| 13:51.42 | itchi | abrotman: What about this support channel then?? |
| 13:51.42 | xmb | nope |
| 13:51.42 | lnxr | i messed up the partitions on my other laptop while trying to install debian |
| 13:51.49 | grey_gandalf | azeem: so it seems to be a matter od "days". that sounds good. |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | itchi: i told him how to find the package he needed |
| 13:52.01 | lnxr | so, i need to move the windows one back to where it was originally |
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| 13:52.05 | azeem | grey_gandalf: hopefully, yes |
| 13:52.12 | rhalff | ktwilight, ah thanks, I found compiere, although I remember ever installing it and being too much :) |
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| 13:52.13 | abrotman | xmb: so if i give you a random font name .. it'll work just as well? :) |
| 13:52.13 | lnxr | can anybody help me? |
| 13:52.29 | grey_gandalf | azeem: wonder how it will behave on ye hurd |
| 13:52.32 | shevegen | question about a debian control file. Can the various entries such as Package: Version: be in any order? (If so, I'll sort them alphabetically) |
| 13:52.39 | xmb | nope |
| 13:52.41 | xmb | fonts suck |
| 13:52.43 | xmb | mac owns |
| 13:52.49 | abrotman | ok .. have a nice day |
| 13:53.00 | ktwilight | ah, never heard of compiere. but good :) |
| 13:53.06 | abrotman | until you can give us a font name .. there's no way to tell you if the font exists outside macos9 |
| 13:53.09 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, it's look i have missed an line :-/ my window are not grow enought |
| 13:54.42 | varun | cyas |
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| 13:55.21 | lnxr | can somebody help me? i moved my windows partition on my laptop by accident |
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| 13:55.41 | lnxr | and i need to move it back to its original position |
| 13:55.45 | itchi | lnxr: Yeah, take your backup |
| 13:55.47 | abrotman | is the data still there? |
| 13:55.50 | lnxr | yeah |
| 13:56.24 | lnxr | i need to netboot it with something that can fix the partition |
| 13:56.25 | lnxr | so |
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| 13:56.37 | lnxr | anybody know anything that could do that? |
| 13:56.46 | itchi | lnxr: There is an interesting tool, im not sure if testdisk can help you |
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| 13:57.05 | illsci | hey is there a way to tell the version of a kernel module.... |
| 13:57.14 | lnxr | can anything help me? |
| 13:57.17 | illsci | i have a intel quad gig card and i want to know the version of e1000 |
| 13:57.34 | illsci | would i have to look through the kernel source or something... or is there a way to glean that info from some tool |
| 13:57.46 | daniele83 | asg: ehm, they are 2.3 MB not 2.3 KB!!! get it here: http://modena1.homelinux.org/Members/zopemaster/files/trace/ |
| 13:57.47 | dn4 | ok does anyone know how get a usb hdd to work? I plug mine in and do fdisk and get nothing showing /dev/sda |
| 13:57.50 | itchi | lnxr: On the Debianadministration website there is an article about it |
| 13:58.01 | petemc | illsci: you have a working module? modinfo |
| 13:58.22 | enouf | dn4: what's the exact fdisk command you used |
| 13:58.29 | illsci | ok :) |
| 13:58.29 | dn4 | fdisk -l |
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| 13:58.48 | enouf | dn4: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 13:59.02 | daniele83 | dn4: try dmesg|tail few seconds after plugging the disk to diagnose what your system is doing |
| 13:59.06 | illsci | petemc thanks man... its not showing me the version though... |
| 13:59.24 | illsci | do you know if kernel intergrated modules have specific versions from teh vendor? |
| 13:59.24 | itchi | dn4: Look to /proc/partitions/ |
| 13:59.38 | illsci | this is the GPL'd module |
| 14:00.16 | petemc | illsci: no idea, sorry |
| 14:00.20 | illsci | ok :) |
| 14:00.30 | lnxr | i havent got any os booting on my laptop |
| 14:00.36 | lnxr | just error loading os |
| 14:00.54 | lnxr | so i need something i can burn to cd or netboot to fix my partitions |
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| 14:01.18 | itchi | lnxr: An live cd |
| 14:01.19 | abchirk_ | any freenode op in here? |
| 14:01.31 | enouf | dn4: do you have all the ehci/ohci and usbcore, and uhci_hcd Modules installed |
| 14:01.59 | lnxr | hmm, but where do i get it? and what do i do to fix my partition? |
| 14:01.59 | dn4 | enouf, probably not, what packages would I need? |
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| 14:02.23 | abrotman | abchirk_: /stats p |
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| 14:02.35 | abrotman | abchirk_: and yes .. there are many here |
| 14:02.56 | abchirk_ | hm yeah abrotman because got spam..again for the "hacker" com ;) |
| 14:03.11 | asg | daniele83: that looks normal (if not hideous because of the amount of crap that starting something gnomish requires). It might be helpful to do the same strace but also adding the '-r' option to include relative timestamps. That should tell you which call or series of calls are taking a long time. |
| 14:03.11 | abrotman | abchirk_: do you have the irc nick? |
| 14:03.43 | abchirk_ | yes trUstDDH but now he left |
| 14:04.05 | abrotman | lovely .. tor user |
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| 14:04.52 | abrotman | abchirk_: it looks like they're registering so they can spam us |
| 14:05.03 | abchirk_ | yap :( |
| 14:05.05 | abrotman | and using tor |
| 14:05.31 | abrotman | RichiH: there's not much we can do in that case is there? |
| 14:05.38 | Ronin | abrotman: how odd someone using tor spamming ;) |
| 14:05.43 | enouf | dn4: I'm not certain, I only use usb 1.1, but you likely need 2.0 support -- I know there's a bunch of certain 2.0 modules needed -- hmmm |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | Ronin: they used to now allow tor at all .. tor has its advantages .. but it makes IRC a pain :) |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | used to not |
| 14:06.26 | enouf | dn4: lets look on packages.debian.org shall we ;-) |
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| 14:07.04 | enouf | dn4: are you using stable/etch/sid ? |
| 14:07.11 | dn4 | unstable |
| 14:07.14 | itchi | Somethings wrong with the dpkg bot? He no more respond |
| 14:07.15 | lnxr | how do i boot a computer from a network? |
| 14:07.20 | petemc | pxe |
| 14:07.36 | lnxr | ? |
| 14:07.41 | petemc | what? |
| 14:07.54 | lnxr | oh |
| 14:07.56 | lnxr | okay |
| 14:08.07 | lnxr | sorry, i just looked it up |
| 14:08.14 | petemc | good man yerself |
| 14:09.38 | dn4 | if I use usbview the device shows up with that |
| 14:10.38 | grey_gandalf | asg: ok, the laptop is now working pretty well... |
| 14:11.03 | itchi | ah, voila the reason |
| 14:11.05 | grey_gandalf | thanks guys |
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| 14:11.35 | asg | grey_gandalf: good |
| 14:12.00 | dn4 | would I have to have something in the kernel configured to have usb hdd devices show up? |
| 14:12.18 | itchi | dn4: No if you use the stock kernel |
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| 14:12.25 | enouf | dn4: I searched here: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=usb&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 14:13.13 | enouf | dn4: I'm using unstable/sid too -- what type of hardware? mobo etc |
| 14:13.17 | dn4 | itchi, I compiled my own kernel |
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| 14:13.37 | enouf | dn4: Oh -- ok -- hang on |
| 14:13.42 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hello is there anyone here running debian sid with the latest updates? Can you please test to see if gnome-sound-recorder is working for you if you have it? its in the gnome-media package |
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| 14:14.02 | dn4 | amd athalong 800mhz slot a asus k7 v mobo |
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| 14:14.42 | stew | dn4: you need usb-storage and sd_mod |
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| 14:14.58 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
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| 14:15.17 | enouf | dn4: For a plain vanilla vmlinuz -- I use grep CONFIG_USB /boot/config-2.6.16* but replace the PATH with /usr/src/config?? |
| 14:15.18 | petemc | stew: whats the trigger for aptitude ? |
| 14:15.23 | stew | &bot |
| 14:15.25 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 14:16.29 | enouf | dn4: do you know for sure that system supports USB2 ? -- It doesn't matter if only 1.1, just much s-l-o-w-e-r |
| 14:17.03 | dn4 | enouf, I know that this system has been able to recognize the device before |
| 14:17.36 | enouf | dn4: lsmod | grep usb* |
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| 14:18.16 | enouf | dn4: Install "module-assistant" (for unstable only??) I think? |
| 14:19.09 | stew | enouf: why module-assistant? |
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| 14:19.39 | dn4 | scsi_mod usb_storage usbcore |
| 14:19.48 | stew | dn4: you need sd_mod too |
| 14:19.50 | enouf | stew: I dunno -- isn't it supposed to "assist" ? I have it installed - but it isn't telling me much about USB modules |
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| 14:19.58 | lnxr | where can i get pxe for windows? |
| 14:20.13 | dn4 | stew, what package do I need for that |
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| 14:20.25 | grey_gandalf | some of you guys switches desktop environments from time to time ? the best way to go from wmaker to xfce and back for example ? |
| 14:20.59 | stew | dn4: its a kernel module, you need CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD for that |
| 14:21.25 | stew | enouf: if you dont' know what module-assistant does, you shouldn't suggest it |
| 14:22.01 | enouf | stew -- he;s running unstable -- it won't hurt - also It actually may help |
| 14:22.22 | stew | enouf: in what way would it help? |
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| 14:22.51 | enouf | stew -- Installing and listing available modules? |
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| 14:24.20 | jepler | any debian-legal types here? I am wondering if the 'debian/rules' file is condidered a "script used to control compilation and installation of the executable", and whether there's a clear statement of this somewhere in the debian documentation. |
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| 14:25.37 | ArmEagle | so.. no i have the lease to freenode, i have to use it too |
| 14:26.02 | Ronin | ArmEagle: pardon? |
| 14:26.12 | dn4 | ok I enable the CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD |
| 14:26.14 | ArmEagle | oh.. trust/lease whatever. |
| 14:26.21 | dn4 | time to rebuild the kernel and install |
| 14:26.33 | dn4 | gosh it has been so long I forgot how to do this, ARG! |
| 14:26.41 | stew | jepler: its just a makefile, so i'd say definately. why do you ask? |
| 14:26.42 | enouf | dn4 FWIW -- I pasted my command output here http://pastebin.ca/102297 |
| 14:26.50 | ArmEagle | i'm on this 11day lanparty. got this trust fixed so the local network admin opened access to a freenode server. and now i'm here |
| 14:26.53 | dn4 | FWIW? |
| 14:26.54 | stew | jepler: does this somehow have to do with cdrecord by chance? |
| 14:27.07 | enouf | dn4 FWIW == For What It's Worth ;) |
| 14:27.26 | stew | ArmEagle: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 14:27.30 | enouf | dn4: Good luck on rebuild ;-) |
| 14:27.51 | ArmEagle | stew well. no. but debian rocks. |
| 14:28.03 | ArmEagle | though i only have 16meg free on this 1.1G HD now :) |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | apt-get clean ? |
| 14:28.33 | jepler | stew: no, it has to do with a .deb-format package not a part of debian that is distributed by someone who doesn't seem interested in including these files |
| 14:28.39 | ArmEagle | hehe manually cleaned the cache but thanks |
| 14:28.54 | abrotman | use deborphan to clean up |
| 14:29.39 | ArmEagle | abrotman: dont have that isntalled it seens :P |
| 14:29.57 | dn4 | grep CONFIG_USB /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17* <--- I get nothing |
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| 14:30.01 | stew | jepler: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/sourcecode-faq.html "what are scripts used to control compilation" says makefiles, debian/rules is a makefile (look at the first line, its #!/usr/bin/make) |
| 14:30.23 | bgat | anyone know why pump and dhclientwon't work on an alias ethernet interface? |
| 14:30.24 | jepler | stew: I was hoping to point him at some debian documentation that said it clearly, especially debian documentation since he pays lip-service to debian. |
| 14:30.39 | dn4 | grep CONFIG_USB /boot/config-2.6.17-rc4-vanilla <-- worked |
| 14:30.40 | jepler | stew: thanks for that pointer. |
| 14:30.49 | abrotman | ArmEagle: install it ? |
| 14:31.00 | Coke | Hello. I have modprob'ed "pwc", but I still can't get my quickcam working. All I get is the "ioctl: device or resource busy". I have compiled and installed pwc from the pwc-source package. |
| 14:31.17 | ArmEagle | hehe yeah, when diskspace is a problem, install a tool to clean up :P |
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| 14:31.36 | dn4 | where is dpkg?? |
| 14:31.45 | Maulkin | !hi |
| 14:31.47 | Ronin | dn4: taking nap |
| 14:31.50 | Ronin | say hi to aptitude |
| 14:31.52 | Maulkin | He's resting |
| 14:32.07 | dn4 | aptitude, kernel |
| 14:32.11 | dn4 | whoops |
| 14:32.14 | aptitude | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.7, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc2-git6, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-rc2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc2-mm1 |
| 14:32.20 | Maulkin | And/or pining for the fjords |
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| 14:33.04 | lnxr | where can i get pxe for windows |
| 14:33.07 | lnxr | ? |
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| 14:33.30 | Coke | Ahhh! The pwc-source package installes the module in the wrong place. :/ |
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| 14:34.06 | dn4 | WEWT!! |
| 14:34.20 | dn4 | building the kernel, hopefully this does not take a billion years |
| 14:34.25 | ttsrtser | hi to all |
| 14:34.25 | ttsrtser | can u help me ? |
| 14:34.31 | Maulkin | lnxr: Erm... what? Try #cisco |
| 14:34.32 | Ronin | ttsrtser: no, you have to tell us the problem first |
| 14:34.43 | ttsrtser | i need to convert 10 cds in 1 dual layer dvd ? |
| 14:35.17 | ttsrtser | so i dont have to FIFO the cds |
| 14:35.20 | ttsrtser | :) |
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| 14:35.39 | enouf | dn4: keep us informed |
| 14:35.40 | Ronin | ttsrtser: why dl them all to beging with if you going to put them on dvd? why not just get the dvd image or use the net installer |
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| 14:36.00 | bgat | does anyone know of a tool I can use to assign an IP address via dhcp to an alias (e.g. "eth0:1") ethernet interface |
| 14:36.06 | bgat | ? |
| 14:36.08 | dn4 | enouf, will do, CC drivers/scsi/scsi_scan.o <-- where I am at so far |
| 14:36.12 | ttsrtser | net installer = no because i might not have internet |
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| 14:36.28 | ttsrtser | dvd image = no because im on dialup |
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| 14:36.42 | Ronin | ttsrtser: ahhh |
| 14:36.45 | abrotman | order a set of CDs |
| 14:36.52 | Maulkin | Or order a DVD :) |
| 14:36.54 | Ronin | but you can dl all the cds instead of a dvd? |
| 14:36.57 | ttsrtser | i have the cds |
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| 14:37.18 | abrotman | now i'm confused |
| 14:37.18 | ttsrtser | got from a friend of mine |
| 14:37.33 | ab3l | hi, how do i make grub boot not only linux but also windows (which is on a separate hard drive) ? i added : title Windows | root (hd1,0) | makeactive | chainloader +1 to menu.lst but at boot it halts win an error saying unknown ... 0x7 ... etc ? why ? |
| 14:37.36 | manuc66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.39 | ttsrtser | i have 10 cd and i want to convert them to a dvd |
| 14:37.53 | ttsrtser | thats all |
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| 14:38.08 | ttsrtser | can u help ? |
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| 14:39.07 | dn4 | it wuold be nice if you recompiled the kernel and the kernel recompiling only does new configurations instead of doing the whole thing over again |
| 14:39.16 | dn4 | of course I do not know how the compiling of the kernel works really |
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| 14:40.05 | enouf | ab3I: look at the grub manual and using the map option |
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| 14:40.37 | ttsrtser | what about my cds ? |
| 14:40.59 | Ronin | ttsrtser: no idea, did you search on say google? im lazy old bugger, id just fire in the cds when it asked :) |
| 14:41.45 | ttsrtser | :) |
| 14:41.49 | ab3l | but (hd1,0) is already mapped to /dev/hda (the true hard disk with ms windows) ;( |
| 14:42.00 | enouf | ab3I: look at the grub manual and using the map option -- something like 'map (hd0,1) map (hd1,0)' |
| 14:42.31 | ttsrtser | another thing . how can i make samba to import all users in an windows active directory ? |
| 14:42.42 | ktwilight | how do i negate user and group in find? what i'm trying to do is find files that do not belong to a specific user/group. man pages isn't clear for me. |
| 14:42.49 | enouf | ab3I: winXPoop needs to be the 1st HDD the system sees -- it sucks that way |
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| 14:43.40 | ab3l | xp is already in the 1st disk seen <enouf> |
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| 14:44.06 | ab3l | -- it sucks that ANYway but i still nedd it |
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| 14:44.18 | shad0w- | can anyone help me with a little annoyance? my refresh rate is set to 75hz, but i want to set it to 60, and its like ignoring the option in xorg.conf o.O |
| 14:44.36 | shad0w- | i have the nvidia driver |
| 14:45.24 | enouf | ab3I: you may need rootverify=0 or similar -- oh wait ...you have title windows | root (hd1,0), but have you isnatlled grub into the MBR or jsut the partition head, and which disk did you install GRUB on hd0 or hd1 |
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| 14:45.38 | shad0w- | d:o |
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| 14:46.02 | Neeesat25 | hello |
| 14:46.18 | shad0w- | hi |
| 14:46.34 | shad0w- | nobody knows anything about refresh rates? |
| 14:46.38 | Neeesat25 | I have created a normal user and I want to be able to shutdown or restart the machine without sudo |
| 14:46.44 | Neeesat25 | Is this possible? |
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| 14:46.47 | stew | shad0w-: can you put your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin? |
| 14:46.56 | enouf | ab3I: Have you set the Boot Flag 0x80 for XPoop ? -- check using fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 14:46.57 | shad0w- | sure |
| 14:47.32 | dn4 | kernel done |
| 14:47.34 | dn4 | rebooting |
| 14:47.50 | stew | &paster |
| 14:47.56 | aptitude | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 14:48.15 | enouf | <crosses- something> for dn4's reboot |
| 14:48.26 | danl | is there anyway to setup a dns cache on my computer that it will check before checking the dns server? |
| 14:48.32 | Neeesat25 | anyone? |
| 14:48.53 | Maulkin | Neeesat25: Why without sudo? |
| 14:49.21 | Neeesat25 | Because I will execute the command from remote control |
| 14:49.28 | Neeesat25 | I will not put any password |
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| 14:52.26 | shad0w- | stew: http://pastebin.ca/102318 |
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| 14:53.05 | Maulkin | Neeesat25: So? :) |
| 14:53.11 | enouf | Neeesat25: So?...ssl in, and run the command |
| 14:53.16 | Maulkin | Neeesat25: read "man sudoers" |
| 14:54.06 | Neeesat25 | I dont want to run any command. I want to run a script from remote control |
| 14:54.15 | Neeesat25 | It's a HTPC machine |
| 14:54.29 | enouf | Neeesat25: The script executes the command(s) |
| 14:54.56 | Neeesat25 | yes but the script is been called from a normal user |
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| 14:55.23 | Neeesat25 | so it will need a PASSWORD is I run it with sudo |
| 14:55.39 | dn4 | ok after doing that my portable usb hdd works now |
| 14:55.43 | dn4 | thank you everyone who helped |
| 14:55.53 | enouf | Neeesat25: You can setup ssl for use with RSA keys |
| 14:55.55 | dn4 | compiling the kernel with DEV_SD did the trick |
| 14:56.00 | shad0w- | stew: hows it look? im thinking the nvidia driver is making it go to 75hz |
| 14:56.04 | enouf | dn4: woot! ^_^ |
| 14:56.11 | stew | shad0w-: ugh. non-free drivers. whave you tried free drivers? |
| 14:56.14 | dn4 | for real :) WOOT WOOT! |
| 14:56.30 | enouf | stew's the man for dn4 |
| 14:56.41 | daniele83 | asg: well, I refined the diagnose searching for the most dispendious operations. I found they are mostly munmap. See http://pastebin.ca/102323 for cals that use more than 0.1% of time |
| 14:56.48 | shad0w- | theres an open source geforce driver? |
| 14:56.55 | Neeesat25 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.09 | stew | shad0w-: there's "nv" |
| 14:57.23 | shad0w- | does it work as well o.o |
| 14:57.57 | shad0w- | grr.. there should be a way to change my refresh rate =\ |
| 14:58.30 | skrewz | Guys, any knowledge on how to keeping users jailed when using sftp-server as their shell and access is granted through proftpd? |
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| 14:59.12 | stew | skrewz: set their shell to rssh |
| 14:59.19 | k31th | Hi guys, im trying to follow this software raid howto but there is no mkraid bin on my box... i have installed the relevent packages etc |
| 14:59.28 | k31th | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html |
| 14:59.49 | enouf | Neeesat25: see http://pastebin.ca/102327 all the various ssh related man pages |
| 14:59.52 | skrewz | stew: Well, wouldn't that allow them some ssh-rights? |
| 15:00.03 | b_52Free | sylpheed |
| 15:00.20 | skrewz | This is what I'm talking about: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
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| 15:00.52 | stew | skrewz: no, the entire point of rssh is to only allow them to do file transfers |
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| 15:01.47 | skrewz | stew: That article's somewhat flawed, I see. But the comments weren't in the print version I read. Thanks for correcting. |
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| 15:04.06 | Neeesat25 | Thanks enouf I will check it out |
| 15:04.08 | giglf | are there any xml parsers for debian? |
| 15:04.32 | stew | giglf: there are many, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:04.39 | enouf | Neeesat25: ^_^ |
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| 15:05.16 | giglf | stew: just starting out with this, would like to read and format xml files |
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| 15:08.27 | shad0w- | stew: i found it in some nvidia docs, you just have to set an option in xorg.conf to ignore "EDID" options |
| 15:08.45 | stew | shad0w-: ahh, yeah that makes sense |
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| 15:09.08 | gosauser | hi! |
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| 15:10.20 | enouf | k31th: look into dmraid , or ataraid -- not entirely certain though |
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| 15:10.34 | gosauser | i need help |
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| 15:11.06 | dn4 | ok after recompiling my kernel I get issues with alsaconf now |
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| 15:11.22 | shad0w- | cool, thats all it was |
| 15:11.51 | gosauser | is possible active .dbf in php into binary of debian? |
| 15:11.59 | k31th | ok my sata disks are slow as hell at building this raid 8mb sec |
| 15:12.30 | enouf | dn4: uh-oh |
| 15:13.51 | dn4 | WARNING: Error inserting snd_timer (/lib/modules/2.6.17-rc4-vanilla/kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 15:14.53 | enouf | k31th: $ apt-cache search dmraid |
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| 15:15.50 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 15:16.16 | DustyDingo | hm i need to install a zlib and zlib-devel package, but can''t find any |
| 15:16.20 | k31th | ummm my raid is building but at 1mb/sec |
| 15:16.22 | Coke | Hi. I'm looking for a package that can record from a v4l device to mpeg video. Any suggestions? |
| 15:16.46 | Coke | Preferrebly something with a GUI where I can snapshot and view what's being recorded while it's being recorded. |
| 15:16.51 | DustyDingo | which deb pacgaes suites best? |
| 15:17.01 | stew | DustyDingo: zlib1g-dev |
| 15:17.09 | dn4 | http://pastebin.ca/102345 <-- what happens now! |
| 15:17.28 | gosauser | is possible active .dbf in php into binary of debian? |
| 15:18.04 | grey_gandalf | someone uses java ? |
| 15:18.06 | DustyDingo | stew: well it doesn't work (i need it for enlightenment 17) |
| 15:18.10 | grey_gandalf | I have troubles with alternatives |
| 15:18.18 | grey_gandalf | I need alternatives to point to sun java |
| 15:18.22 | stew | DustyDingo: you need to be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 15:18.47 | stew | grey_gandalf: did you install sun java from a .deb? |
| 15:19.01 | grey_gandalf | stew: yes the "java5" packages is in the repository |
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| 15:19.12 | stew | grey_gandalf: did you try "update-alternatives --config java" ? |
| 15:19.16 | grey_gandalf | stew: I just launched a reconfigure from aptitude to see if it would set the alternatives again |
| 15:19.21 | DustyDingo | stew: ok, one of e17 dependencies is "zlib" |
| 15:19.24 | daniele83 | asg: doing more calcs on the strace output, I found that the most expensive call is munmap, called 3563 times and eating up 35.831942000000261 out of 51.524892 seconds |
| 15:19.32 | enouf | dn4: .ko = kernel module error -- you may need to recompile again -- search for info pertaining to what CONFIG_BLK_DV_SD actually needs perhaps needing further modules ? |
| 15:19.40 | stew | DustyDingo: you are installing some 3rd party debian package? |
| 15:19.57 | DustyDingo | stew: no, compiling from source |
| 15:19.59 | stew | dn4: is there a reason you are compiling your own kernel in the first place? |
| 15:20.04 | enouf | what' lsmod say now... lsmod | grep snd |
| 15:20.11 | grey_gandalf | stew: ok, it seems fine. apparently, when I updated gcj the alternative was reset |
| 15:20.12 | DustyDingo | directly from CVS |
| 15:20.13 | asg | daniele83: are you still swapping? Do you start swapping while gdm is loading? Look at the output of 'vmstat 5' |
| 15:20.16 | stew | DustyDingo: what version of zlib1g-dev do you have installed? |
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| 15:20.39 | DustyDingo | 1.2.3-13 |
| 15:21.36 | grey_gandalf | hmm |
| 15:21.46 | grey_gandalf | someone uses eclipse ? |
| 15:21.47 | dorel__ | i want that banner tool for linux but i dont know where i can find it. cause it's not on apt repos |
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| 15:21.57 | grey_gandalf | eclipse keeps running on gcj and this causes troubles |
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| 15:22.40 | grey_gandalf | even if the alternative is now correct.. it uses gcj |
| 15:22.45 | azeem | grey_gandalf: I guess you can install the Sun JDK and fake the installtion of java1-runtime with equivs |
| 15:22.56 | grey_gandalf | does elcipse have some kind o wrapper ? |
| 15:23.07 | daniele83 | asg: I'm always swapping, also on my other computer with a half ram and only 4kb of free ram... |
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| 15:23.16 | grey_gandalf | azeem: do you think that on startup eclipse doesn't find jdk java ? |
| 15:23.23 | dorel__ | ah nm, ts available at /usr/games |
| 15:23.24 | dorel__ | :) |
| 15:23.28 | grey_gandalf | typing "java -version" in a console is correct |
| 15:23.35 | azeem | grey_gandalf: I would assume it does, but I never used eclipse |
| 15:24.13 | asg | daniele83: a bit of swap is usual but not the 250M you were swapping earlier. Gnome is a big heavy bloated beast apparently. |
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| 15:25.00 | asg | daniele83: you haven't tweaked any of the /proc/sys/vm values have you? |
| 15:25.23 | asg | daniele83: also, what kernel version are you running? |
| 15:25.27 | liable | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0db7a198 *** |
| 15:25.33 | stew | DustyDingo: read the config.log and see what file it was looking for and try to find that file with apt-file, /msg aptitude apt-file |
| 15:25.34 | liable | what means this ^^ |
| 15:25.49 | asg | liable: free was called on a pointer that doesn't exist. |
| 15:25.50 | daniele83 | No I haven't. There there is a statistic of number of syscalls and their total time used http://pastebin.ca/102353. Does munmap has something to do with munmap? |
| 15:26.02 | asg | liable: it might also indicate that free was called twice on the same FD. |
| 15:26.26 | asg | s/FD/pointer/ |
| 15:26.36 | liable | asg: what can i do about it? |
| 15:26.50 | asg | liable: what are you running? |
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| 15:27.04 | liable | asg: X-Plane :( (binary) |
| 15:27.17 | asg | liable: you could perhaps attach gdb to it and poke around |
| 15:27.45 | liable | asg: that sounds like a job for the morning :) |
| 15:27.58 | asg | liable: just get a few beers in you, you'll need 'em ;) |
| 15:28.26 | liable | haha, i certainly dont need more beer atm :) |
| 15:29.04 | asg | daniele83: Lots of file opens, closes, and fstats also. I haven't run Gnome in many years so I don't have a baseline to tell you if 52 seconds is too long or not. It should run comfortably in 512M but *shrug* |
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| 15:29.38 | asg | liable: ah, then have a coffee |
| 15:29.44 | joseki | hi all, what is the proper way to configure grub to boot into serial mode? |
| 15:29.58 | asg | daniele83: if you aren't running a 2.6 kernel, that might help. |
| 15:30.15 | asg | joseki: google for grub serial console howto |
| 15:30.23 | daniele83 | asg: Linux paganelli 2.6.14-2-k7 #1 Sat Nov 26 14:04:05 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:30.42 | asg | daniele83: is it an AMD processor? |
| 15:30.49 | daniele83 | asg: yes |
| 15:30.58 | asg | daniele83: okay, just checking. |
| 15:31.01 | enouf | joseki: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Serial-terminal |
| 15:31.17 | daniele83 | asg: now I must go out for ?h, see you later and thanks for the help!!! |
| 15:31.19 | asg | daniele83: /msg dpkg #gnome (might be worth asking those folks for input also) |
| 15:31.22 | asg | daniele83: you're welcome |
| 15:32.23 | joseki | thanks! also, if i want a minimum install, after using the netinst image, i select no options "i.e. Web server, desktop, etc" i notice it still installs a bunch of stuff, is this still considered minimal? |
| 15:32.47 | dn4 | maybe I needt o make kernel headers? |
| 15:33.16 | enouf | daniele83: Have you isolated the issue to one specific app already ?? If not - use 'rcconf' to disable stuff at Startup that you are NOT using, even though it's available |
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| 15:34.36 | enouf | joseki: dunno about "netinstall" , but the CD1 of 14 allows for not selecting any Desktop/FileServer/MailServer, etc. so you can jsut install base-config |
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| 15:35.18 | enouf | dn4: dunno -- haven't yet 'rolled my own' ;-) |
| 15:35.30 | Eulex | hmm, if top reports that a lot of cpu is used by users, but in turn, the processes don't seem to use that much cpu (ie it reports ~75%us while maybe the processes use 10% of the cpu) -- what has happened? |
| 15:36.09 | k31th | how do i delete a software raid ? |
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| 15:36.24 | asg | Eulex: those processess might be waiting for I/O |
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| 15:36.59 | dn4 | hopefull this works |
| 15:37.11 | asg | Eulex: look at 'vmstat 5' and 'iostat' |
| 15:37.26 | dn4 | if not I am thinking of just dumping all my files to my usb hdd and start all over |
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| 15:38.24 | joseki | ok, so i forget, do i run grub after editing menu.lst? |
| 15:38.46 | asg | joseki: no |
| 15:38.46 | enouf | dn4: dunno -- I dont think you 'make' kernel headers, you d/l the source files, then ./configure, make, make install (but 1st you may need to dpkg -i the .debs) -- I'm going to attempt a kernel compile soon ;-) -- Note, you can also just install a initrd image..no? I have multiple kerenls I can boot into (2.6.8-2-386, 2.6.8-3-686, and 2.6.16-2-686)) |
| 15:39.39 | scorn | When I plug a usb flash drive into my machine, dmesg shows the drive as detected on sdb and gives the correct stats for the device, but /dev/sdb is never actually created. What am I missing? |
| 15:39.57 | asg | scorn: /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2 ... |
| 15:40.09 | scorn | no sdb anything |
| 15:40.14 | joseki | sweet, it worked. thanks all. |
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| 15:40.36 | guilherme-jorge | anybody knows how to send accesslog (from apache) to syslog?? |
| 15:40.40 | scorn | asg: fdisk /dev/sdb = Unable to open /dev/sdb |
| 15:40.40 | joseki | so, does debian-base include exim, etc.? i just remembered debian being a lot more minimal ;) |
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| 15:41.09 | asg | scorn: then the device files don't exist (man MAKEDEV) or you are using udev and it's not doing its job. |
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| 15:41.24 | kjoonlee | hi, can someone tell me the IP address of avalon.g3.cc please? nslookup is not working on my side. |
| 15:41.30 | scorn | asg: I expect the latter is the case. |
| 15:41.39 | scorn | asg: this used to work. |
| 15:42.11 | petemc | kjoonlee: doesnt resolve |
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| 15:42.20 | kjoonlee | petemc: Thanks |
| 15:42.36 | dn4 | make-kpkg --append-to-version -vanilla --revision 0.1 kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 15:45.17 | scorn | asg: after looking at MAKEDEV, found the static files in /dev/.static/dev, and these seemed to work. |
| 15:45.28 | asg | scorn: ah, okay |
| 15:45.41 | scorn | asg: I can use them, but I think you are right, udev not working quite right. |
| 15:46.02 | scorn | asg: thanks. |
| 15:46.19 | asg | scorn: you're welcome. If you see stew on here, he's the person to ask about udev |
| 15:46.29 | petemc | or most other things |
| 15:46.35 | scorn | asg: okay. |
| 15:46.47 | stew | udev rulez omgz |
| 15:46.49 | enouf | joseki: if you select expert or custom from the installer --you should be able to install whatever you like only (on top of all the Necessary pkgs that is) |
| 15:46.50 | stew | :) |
| 15:47.26 | asg | stew: <stew>It's not a virus, it's udev! |
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| 15:47.46 | stew | udev is a virus, its not a trojan however :) |
| 15:48.27 | stew | scorn: try running "hal-device | less" and see if you can find your device, then look for the "block.device" entry for it |
| 15:49.37 | enouf | asg: scorn: stew: I had mentioned that /dev/.static/ crap from udev in the past - when discussing how moving from etch to sid broke my X, mouse, and keyboard :( |
| 15:50.15 | anapivirtua | Nighty$ |
| 15:50.17 | cplx | anyone here know anything about ModernBill? |
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| 15:50.36 | stew | scorn: you are only interested in the devices that have is_volume = true hopefully if that helps your search |
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| 15:51.05 | scorn | stew: I'm assuming hal-device is in the hal-device-manager package. looks like installing that is going to want to remove about 10 other packages. |
| 15:51.22 | stew | scorn: there are alternatives, hang on |
| 15:51.32 | stew | scorn: what version of udev and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:52.00 | scorn | kernel version is 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 15:52.26 | scorn | udev is 0.093-1 |
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| 15:53.08 | scorn | running testing |
| 15:53.14 | leOn | hello |
| 15:53.41 | stew | hmm actually the alternatives don't list the /dev entry like hal does |
| 15:54.14 | enouf | stew: hey -- after I ran hal-device | less -- is where I found the funky character string (*^$($_\) that shows up in KDE's media:/ (used to be device:/) protocol -- it lists all /etc/fstab devices in the Sidebar of the browser (konqueror) for easy mount/umount , and exploring -- Question: |
| 15:54.32 | leOn | i've debianized a library with dh_make, i run dpkg-buildpackage which installs the right stuff into debian/tmp ... but then when the deb is generated, files aren't being picked up ... am i missing anything ? |
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| 15:54.40 | Eulex | asg, nope, the cpu usage for iowait is very low (0.42%) -- funny thing is that iostat reports 88% of the cpu as idle and 9% as used by the user, while both top and vmstat 5 reports more than 90% as used by the user |
| 15:54.41 | enouf | stew: How can I edit the Strin info found from that command ...Where's that File that contains that info |
| 15:55.12 | asg | Eulex: what are the 'r' and 'b' lines showing from vmstat? |
| 15:55.32 | enouf | stew: s/Strin/string |
| 15:55.38 | joseki | hey, so, how can i list installed packages again? it's been awhile |
| 15:55.47 | k31th | Guys im building an array here using software raid. raid1 using two sata 250 gig disks... its going very slow 1004k/sec |
| 15:55.47 | Eulex | asg, very low: right now, r is 2 and b is 0 |
| 15:55.50 | k31th | the drives are using udma6* amd 64bit cpu |
| 15:55.56 | k31th | any idea why so slow ? |
| 15:55.56 | dimir | Josta: dpkg -l |
| 15:56.00 | stew | scorn: does "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" list any partitions? |
| 15:56.06 | asg | Eulex: just to be sure, you are running 'vmstat 5' and not just typing vmstat |
| 15:56.11 | dimir | joseki: dpkg -l |
| 15:56.13 | enouf | dpkg -l |
| 15:56.17 | Eulex | asg, yes, vmstat 5 |
| 15:56.27 | enouf | whoops dimir beat me ;) |
| 15:56.27 | asg | Eulex: how many CPUs do you have? |
| 15:56.33 | Eulex | asg, 1 |
| 15:56.34 | daniele83 | enouf: no i haven't isolated the problem. i'm only looking at the app (gvim) that shows the most significant delay, compared to its complexity |
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| 15:56.44 | stew | enouf: hal gets its info from the hardware directly |
| 15:56.56 | asg | Eulex: then that's about at the limit of what your CPU is able to schedule |
| 15:57.10 | stew | enouf: is that perhaps a volume label? |
| 15:57.14 | scorn | stew: no |
| 15:57.30 | enouf | stew: hmmm... thsi Hitachi HDD is a japanese funky character renderer -- at one point it also did this to my BIOS, but that's resolved |
| 15:57.49 | scorn | stew: but /dev/sdb doesn't exist |
| 15:57.57 | scorn | stew: that is the problem. |
| 15:58.10 | enouf | stew: hmmm... Yes I guesss - that's how it's showing up -- Perhaps I can Edit the Volume Label? |
| 15:58.13 | stew | scorn: have you edited your udev rules at all by hand? |
| 15:58.19 | scorn | stew: no |
| 15:58.24 | stew | enouf: what filesystem is on there? |
| 15:58.44 | enouf | stew: oh...yeah - it's my win98 disk :-( |
| 15:58.52 | stew | scorn: you might try "/msg aptitude fresh udev config" and if that doens't work, i can walk you through creating a custom rule for this device |
| 15:59.29 | enouf | stew: I used to have Debian (hda5-11) and win98 installed on it |
| 15:59.31 | Eulex | asg, I found the offending process: evince. stuff is normal now again :) |
| 15:59.32 | scorn | stew: I'm able to work with the /dev/.static/dev/ entries, so I'm not at a standstill, I'll try what you suggest. |
| 15:59.43 | asg | Eulex: ah, okay. Cool. |
| 15:59.45 | k31th | Is anyone going to help me :D |
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| 16:00.06 | stew | scorn: or we can work on resolving the hal dependency problems |
| 16:00.16 | stew | scorn: which might not be a bad idea, since udev depends on hal |
| 16:00.31 | stew | scorn: are you a gnome user? |
| 16:00.50 | stew | enouf: i don't know how to edit windows volume labels, i'm sure there is a way, probably in the dosfstools pacakge |
| 16:01.08 | scorn | stew: no, kde |
| 16:01.11 | enouf | stew: Obviously Fat32 -- but there's also a Primary hda3 (FAT32) that was created using the d-i mirror partition (for copying a win98 partition onto) -- AND there's also Primary hda4 (ext3) used for my TMP/Cache for k3B burning) |
| 16:01.30 | scorn | stew: I'm on the clock, so I should probably not spend too much time on this. |
| 16:01.33 | enouf | stew: Thanks - you gave me some ideas -- I'll lok into it |
| 16:01.39 | enouf | s/lok/ook |
| 16:01.44 | stew | scorn: you could also try the ivman package which would attempt to auto mount those volumes into /media for you |
| 16:01.51 | enouf | whoops s/ook/look |
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| 16:02.12 | enouf | Back to helping others |
| 16:02.14 | stew | scorn: if i were you, i'd start with getting hal straightened out |
| 16:02.45 | enouf | daniele83: have you done ps aux and watch the highest used processes? |
| 16:02.52 | scorn | okay, installing hal-device-manager wanted to remove: dbus-1 dbus-glib-1 libhal-storage0 libhal0 libnautilus-burn0 libnautilus-burn1 python2.3-cairo python2.3-glade2 |
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| 16:03.36 | stew | scorn: you want those dbus/hal packages to go away, those are outdated versions, libhal0 was replaces by libhal1, dbus-1 was replaced by dbus, etc |
| 16:03.39 | Salicyl | I've mount my windoof partition, but I can't write on it! Can some body help me? |
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| 16:04.00 | scorn | stew: okay, let me go through the install and update process and see where that gets me. |
| 16:04.01 | stew | i don't know the state of the python transition in etch yet though |
| 16:04.41 | daniele83 | enouf, well with ps aux is a little bit difficult... i used top. for example, I monitored the starting of gdm and gdmgreeter from top: they used little cpu time and little memory, but many minutes to show up |
| 16:05.18 | enouf | daniele83: Oh yeah -- about 'rcconf' -- apt-get install rcconf -- see this; http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ |
| 16:05.36 | enouf | daniele83: Yes i see -- doh! is me |
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| 16:07.10 | daniele83 | enouf: oh I have already removed unwanted services from my system with rm /etc/rc*.d/*servicename |
| 16:07.29 | stew | daniele83: are you swapping? |
| 16:07.29 | enouf | daniele83: I'm just thinking (like me) you have installed SSH, Apache, AppleTalk, File Server stuff Etc...stuff that you may not be actually using atm -- perhaps trimming down what's actually running -- like Exim4 for ex: - I have iut installed but am not using it now |
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| 16:12.45 | werdna | word |
| 16:12.54 | werdna | I removed all my modules reinstalled the kernel and now alsa works |
| 16:13.01 | enouf | daniele83: Depending upon a few things - that may be a problem (removing the symlinks to the service) -- rcconf assigns appopriate K00(Kill) from whatever it's orig SNN value was -- IOW, the /etc/init.d entries are still there -- using rcconf tell inti.dd to K00 the service(s) |
| 16:13.19 | enouf | dn4 : again ^_^ ?? |
| 16:13.25 | daniele83 | stew: yes I'm swapping - I've been swapping on every linux system I used. But these slowdown sometimes are totally incredible in my opinion... 3 minutes to start the little gvim??? it is not reasonable, especially because the cpu is almost unused and there are anyway 10-20MB of free ram. Maybe there are problems with disks' or ram IO. |
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| 16:14.07 | dn4 | enouf, I did rm -r 2.6.* in lib/modules |
| 16:14.14 | dn4 | nukeD!! em!! |
| 16:14.26 | asg | stew: you should see the strace he posted. |
| 16:14.27 | enouf | daniele83: s/using rcconf tells /etc/init.d to K00 the service(s) |
| 16:14.47 | enouf | dn4: wooT! |
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| 16:15.21 | daniele83 | enouf: I don't exacly understand what K00 means, anyway /etc/rc*.d/*servicename has worked as unwanted services aren't started. |
| 16:15.53 | enouf | daniele83: K00 == KiLL |
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| 16:16.16 | enouf | daniele83: Snn == the startup order from 00-99 |
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| 16:16.42 | xor_ | is there a way to turn a large file (over 4 GB) into a spanning archive in linux, without using compression ? |
| 16:17.06 | shawarma | xor_: split? |
| 16:18.10 | enouf | daniele83: Ok then - that may stil be 'a' way to do it -- I don't recall if that's thre "debain-way" see: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
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| 16:19.08 | shawarma | xor_: It's in coreutils.. |
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| 16:21.47 | xor_ | shawarma: thank you |
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| 16:22.17 | Vooloo | is chrooting an ftp user different from chrooting the system user? |
| 16:22.47 | shawarma | xor_: np |
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| 16:23.16 | xor_ | shawarma: I'm a noob, sorry.. and I cant RTM |
| 16:23.19 | xor_ | :P |
| 16:23.24 | MsgToThePpl | is it possible to send files to a mobile phone using bluetooth in debian ? i've bluez utils already installed |
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| 16:24.15 | shawarma | xor_: Why not? |
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| 16:28.48 | enouf | daniele83: By doing it your way rm /etc/rc*d/<servicename> (and not making a backup 1st) -- how could you remember what the <servicename> "SNN<service>" was originally assigned as (S91apache, S11klogd, etc )?? Perhaps I misunderstand though - and I am very far from expert on this stuff ;-) This only matters if you EVER want to reuse that <service> at some time in the future -- but if NOT, why not 'apt-get --purge remove <pkgname>' |
| 16:29.41 | enouf | daniele83: To get rid of it completely (libraries, modules, scripts) |
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| 16:31.24 | roler | i use postfix and postgrey. Is there a blacklist file in any of these two programs? |
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| 16:32.04 | MsgToThePpl | what's the corresponding for emerge (gentoo) in debian ? |
| 16:32.10 | azeem | MsgToThePpl: there is none |
| 16:32.12 | Ronin | MsgToThePpl: none |
| 16:32.18 | azeem | Debian is binary distribution |
| 16:32.21 | azeem | +a |
| 16:32.41 | MsgToThePpl | practically this solves my problem http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_mobile_phone,_Bluetooth_and_GNOME#Configure_kernel_for_Bluetooth_support |
| 16:32.45 | Chipp | Need some help with ati radeon drivers on a laptop with debian. can i get the ati driver from apt-get? |
| 16:32.48 | MsgToThePpl | but it's for gentoo |
| 16:32.49 | MsgToThePpl | ;( |
| 16:32.58 | daniele83 | enouf: I reuse some service by doing /etc/init.d/service start (eg to exercise with mysql). For the sn I'll give to it with common sense, thinking about which other service should it need running before. That's not the debian way... anyway I installed rcconf, but didn't use it because my rc is ok form me now. How does rcconf handle the problem of a forgotten sn? (eg because they where removed my way) |
| 16:33.17 | jelly | MsgToThePpl: apt-get install something, probably. |
| 16:33.25 | azeem | MsgToThePpl: just apt-get install bluez-utils bluetooth |
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| 16:34.12 | enouf | stew: Check it out ;) All I had to do to get rid of those funky characters was right click in Konq and choose "Rename" ...^_^ resolved! |
| 16:34.12 | MsgToThePpl | i already installed bluez utils and related stuffs and hcitools does lists my phone |
| 16:34.31 | MsgToThePpl | but i lack a way to send file ;) i can see my phone listed but how to send em files ? |
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| 16:35.10 | azeem | MsgToThePpl: apt-get install obexftp |
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| 16:35.32 | enouf | daniele83: I would imagine it parses the /etc/init.d script itself (and/or other system config files) |
| 16:36.03 | enouf | daniele83: s/ parses the "matching" /etc/init.d script itself (and/or other system config files) |
| 16:37.55 | enouf | daniele83: 'apt-cache show rcconf' says; Depends: whiptail | whiptail-provider | dialog, sysv-rc, perl, perl-modules -- and also gives a description -- als "It is a TUI(Text User Interface) frontend to the update-rc.d command. |
| 16:37.55 | enouf | " |
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| 16:40.15 | daniele83 | is there a program to measure the perfomance of disks and RAM I/O? |
| 16:40.34 | enouf | daniele83: sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/hdX |
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| 16:42.09 | MsgToThePpl | what's wrong in obexftp -b 00:12:Df:62:57:D9 -l /pictures |
| 16:42.10 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.22 | azeem | MsgToThePpl: looks good, what happens? |
| 16:42.26 | enouf | daniele83: check it out http://pastebin.ca/102485 |
| 16:42.26 | azeem | does just -l work? |
| 16:42.35 | miguelgatt | i need to now how i can install a conceptronic wireless pcmcia card on ubuntu linux |
| 16:42.43 | MsgToThePpl | Receiving /pictures... failed: pictures | Disconnecting...failed: disconnect |
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| 16:43.25 | miguelgatt | anybody got any ideas? |
| 16:44.03 | azeem | MsgToThePpl: did it tell you to enter a pin? |
| 16:44.30 | MsgToThePpl | yes |
| 16:44.35 | MsgToThePpl | the pairing went succesful |
| 16:45.06 | miguelgatt | hey can anybody help me please??????????/ |
| 16:45.21 | azeem | miguelgatt: not if you don't drop all the '?' |
| 16:45.29 | Spec | miguelgatt: you're beyond help :-/ |
| 16:45.32 | MsgToThePpl | and the phone says it's connected to my desk |
| 16:45.34 | itchi | miguelgatt: Ask #ubuntu!!! |
| 16:45.36 | azeem | MsgToThePpl: hrm, try to set the security level to 'user' in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf and restart bluetooth |
| 16:45.45 | miguelgatt | hey send me her |
| 16:45.47 | fourat | how to set a netcat server as service (inetd) on a debian server ? |
| 16:45.57 | DustyDin1o | does anyone know a good rep to get e17? |
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| 16:46.06 | DustyDin1o | thos i have tried, doesn't work |
| 16:46.15 | itchi | miguelgatt: Not listen to that guy that have tell you that, go back to #ubuntu |
| 16:46.20 | daniele83 | enouf i added my performances. it seems the disk is ok. |
| 16:46.22 | hjubal | hola |
| 16:46.35 | yang | how do i convince mozilla to query over IPv4 address not IPv6 (if the hostname has both entries)? |
| 16:46.41 | daniele83 | so now is there a way to test the RAM? |
| 16:46.49 | Maulkin | miguelgatt: Sorry, we can't support Ubuntu installations. Try #ubuntu |
| 16:46.58 | Maulkin | daniele83: Have a look at memtest86 |
| 16:47.16 | Maulkin | yang: first make sure you don't have any ipv6 routes set up |
| 16:47.26 | miguelgatt | asshole |
| 16:47.29 | yang | Maulkin: i have both |
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| 16:47.49 | Maulkin | yang: Well, if you don't want ipv6 routing, remove it :) |
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| 16:48.32 | Maulkin | Well, if you're going to be rude... |
| 16:48.56 | enouf | daniele83: USe GRUB to boot into Memtst86+ -- or run it from a LiveCD |
| 16:49.08 | Maulkin | DustyDin1o: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 16:49.15 | enouf | s/Memtst86+/MEMTEST86 |
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| 16:49.19 | enouf | s/Memtst86+/MEMTEST86+ |
| 16:49.21 | Maulkin | DustyDin1o: Could you rephrase that |
| 16:49.23 | Maulkin | ? |
| 16:49.37 | MsgToThePpl | azeem how to restert ? |
| 16:49.51 | DustyDin1o | i am searching for a good repository to install e17 |
| 16:49.51 | azeem | MsgToThePpl: via /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart |
| 16:49.52 | Maulkin | fourat: read man inetd |
| 16:50.05 | Maulkin | DustyDin1o: Are you running sarge? |
| 16:50.07 | DustyDin1o | because current CVS is broken |
| 16:50.21 | fourat | Maulkin, i dont even have a /etc/init.d/inetd file |
| 16:50.23 | enouf | missed maulkin's reply to daniele83 |
| 16:50.26 | DustyDin1o | Maulkin: no etch |
| 16:50.59 | MsgToThePpl | still fails ;( |
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| 16:51.51 | roxy_ | My eth0 interface is not set by dhcp anymore. I noticed that in /etc/network/interfaces it is set to "allow-hotplug eth0", the line after says:"iface eth0 inet dhcp". Could that be the allow-hotplug that change my ip address ? |
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| 16:52.16 | Maulkin | DustyDin1o: It looks like it's not been packaged yet |
| 16:52.35 | DustyDin1o | well e17 isn't even in alpha yet |
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| 16:52.52 | Maulkin | DustyDin1o: That'll be why then :) |
| 16:52.59 | stew | !dr17 |
| 16:53.07 | stew | &dr17 |
| 16:53.08 | DustyDin1o | Maulkin: but there are some third party reps, but they seem to be unmaintained and so i can't use them |
| 16:53.09 | aptitude | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 16:53.27 | stew | DustyDin1o: try those^^ i don't know if they are still maintained |
| 16:53.32 | enouf | roxy_: I think an entry of 'auto eth0' is correct |
| 16:53.46 | Maulkin | fourat: That#s part of the netkit-inetd package |
| 16:53.48 | DustyDin1o | stew: i tried them |
| 16:53.59 | DustyDin1o | well, can i use them with etch? |
| 16:54.47 | stew | the second one has ecore0-bin (0.9.9.032-0cvs20060723) so it looks like they are kept up to date by that cvs date |
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| 16:55.20 | DustyDin1o | stew: is it a problem to use this unstable rep when the rest of my system is debian testing? |
| 16:55.24 | roxy_ | enouf: somehow, my ip address is not set by dhcp. My router is my dhcp server. It gives ip from 192.168.0.0-255. My box's address is outside that range. When I run dhclient, then the ip is set in that range. What could give me this ip address ? |
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| 16:55.54 | enouf | roxy_: Is the loopback also in there as well? 'auto lo' then 'iface lo inet loopback' |
| 16:56.06 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.35 | azeem | I don't know |
| 16:56.36 | roxy_ | enouf: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Vuujgg51.html |
| 16:56.41 | enouf | roxy_: Oh -- so you want to assign a static IP? |
| 16:56.51 | buu | Hrm. Can anyone help me with an mdadm error? When I try to start it I get "input/output error", but the thing says it is active. erxz.com/pb/2382 |
| 16:56.59 | MsgToThePpl | : Connecting...bt: 1 | done | Receiving (null)... failed: (null) ;( |
| 16:57.13 | roxy_ | enouf: no, I want the dhcp server to set my ip address. Atm , I can't find out how it is set . |
| 16:57.37 | enouf | roxy_: You can configure your Router's DHCP range |
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| 16:58.12 | roxy_ | enouf: my router dhcp range is set and fine, but my box's ip is not set by dhcp. I want it to be set by dhcp. |
| 16:58.21 | enouf | roxy_: You usually enter the router through a browser type webAdmin<shreiks> interface like http://192.168.0.1 |
| 16:58.47 | roxy_ | enouf: please listen to me. My box's ip address is not set by dhcp. |
| 16:58.50 | Chipp | need help to fix repository.. i cant download repository index. |
| 16:58.57 | stew | roxy_: do you get an ip if you run "ifup eth0"? |
| 16:58.57 | enouf | roxy_: You said "my box's address is outside the range" |
| 16:59.08 | stew | roxy_: you probably want to add "auto eth0" to that file |
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| 16:59.54 | roxy_ | stew: is it the allow-hotplug that set the ip to something different ? |
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| 17:00.12 | Maulkin | roxy_: have a read of 'man interfaces' |
| 17:00.19 | roxy_ | enouf: yes, my ip is *not* set by dhcp. I don't know what is setting it |
| 17:00.22 | lunitik | roxy_: /etc/network/interfaces .... needs a like like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 17:00.40 | lunitik | line* |
| 17:00.41 | roxy_ | lunitik: done already: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Vuujgg51.html |
| 17:01.05 | lunitik | roxy_: so its just not actually requesting? |
| 17:01.07 | stew | roxy_: no |
| 17:01.12 | roxy_ | lunitik: but somehow, the ip is not set by dhcp |
| 17:01.31 | lunitik | roxy_: can you ping the router? |
| 17:01.37 | enouf | roxy_: "auto eth0" is not there |
| 17:01.50 | lunitik | enouf: mine is same syntax and works |
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| 17:02.00 | lunitik | enouf: more udev things imo |
| 17:02.11 | roxy_ | lunitik: if I do : dhclient eth0, then everything is set fine. The router is ok |
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| 17:02.34 | stew | roxy_: did you try "ifup eth0"? |
| 17:02.44 | lunitik | roxy_: it doesn't request at boot though? |
| 17:02.53 | enouf | roxy_: lunitik -- ok -- but mine has an "auto lo" (loopback) and an "auto eth0" (for NIC) |
| 17:03.02 | roxy_ | stew: ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 17:03.04 | lunitik | enouf: sarge or something? |
| 17:03.06 | buu | Anyone have an idea about mdadm? |
| 17:03.17 | enouf | lunitik : Sid |
| 17:03.21 | stew | roxy_: try ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 ; does that request an ip? |
| 17:03.24 | lunitik | buu: its raid... you need raid? |
| 17:03.46 | buu | lunitik: .. it is already running. erxz.com/pb/2382 |
| 17:03.47 | enouf | lunitik : I originally had some issues with udev and hal -- but cleared those up |
| 17:04.17 | lunitik | enouf: fresh install w/ etch installer ... thats what it gave me... |
| 17:04.31 | Ronin | freenode just drop something major? |
| 17:04.46 | Maulkin | Ronin: It's been doing that on and off all week |
| 17:05.02 | roxy_ | stew: that used dhcp, and now my ip is changed to 192.168.1.105, was 169.254.45.200 before. |
| 17:05.04 | enouf | lunitik : Yeah ?? those "hotplug" entries?? never seen those before - udev replaces hotplug |
| 17:05.05 | Ronin | Maulkin: looks like oftc just did it as well |
| 17:05.21 | lunitik | roxy_: /etc/init.d/networking should be called during boot, which should bring up dhclient and friends... |
| 17:05.24 | roxy_ | stew: it is always 169.254.45.200 after boot |
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| 17:05.33 | stew | roxy_: oh, 169.254 is a zeroconf address, becuase you have the zeroconf package installed |
| 17:05.44 | lunitik | mapping and allow-hotplug ... yes |
| 17:05.49 | stew | roxy_: does it actually work even though you have that address? |
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| 17:05.54 | roxy_ | stew: thanks god an answer :-) |
| 17:05.55 | Joe3 | hiya people |
| 17:05.59 | enouf | roxy_: Ohhhh...that's the Zeroconf crap |
| 17:06.07 | roxy_ | stew: everything works fine |
| 17:06.28 | Joe3 | I installed the nvidia drivers properly however when I start x it says a required module (glx) could not be loaded and that the "nvidia" driver couldnt be found |
| 17:06.40 | stew | roxy_: then don't worry, zeroconf is adding a second ip address, its just that you are only seeihng the zeroconf address with ifconfig, "ip a" will list both addresses |
| 17:06.43 | roxy_ | stew: the only pb I got is I can only forward to the port that the router allows, so not 169.254.45.200 |
| 17:06.43 | enouf | roxy_: FWIW -- that'll happen in MS win also -- so watch out |
| 17:06.44 | cydork | Joe3: running etch?? |
| 17:06.49 | Joe3 | yup |
| 17:07.24 | enouf | roxy_: Reboot |
| 17:07.25 | stew | roxy_: you can safely ignore the zeroconf address, you can find your other addresses by running "ip a" from the iproute package |
| 17:07.28 | stew | enouf: why? |
| 17:07.43 | roxy_ | stew, enouf, lunitik: thanks |
| 17:07.53 | lunitik | Joe3: which method you define as "proper" ? |
| 17:07.58 | stew | roxy_: there is a bug filed against zeroconf to try to have them put their address first so that you'll see the non-zeroconf address in ifconfig, but i dont' think its been fixed yet |
| 17:08.07 | Joe3 | sec lemme post what I put into apt |
| 17:08.10 | roxy_ | btw, why dpkg won't talk to me anymore ? |
| 17:08.16 | Maulkin | Ronin: sure it's not just you then? :) |
| 17:08.17 | enouf | stew: because that's what works -- I'll bet a few dollars that MS is insatlled on that HDD or another in that system |
| 17:08.19 | stew | roxy_: dpkg is having a power failure |
| 17:08.24 | lunitik | !talk |
| 17:08.27 | Ronin | Maulkin: could be :) |
| 17:08.48 | stew | enouf: why reboot just to reset networking? and what does microsoft have to do with anything? |
| 17:08.52 | cydork | Joe3: check http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-efb11c2ded8b912df5e976aa3b5b4956edd87d6a |
| 17:08.53 | Joe3 | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings <--- thats what I us ed |
| 17:09.02 | Joe3 | *used |
| 17:09.40 | enouf | stew: I ran a l-o-n-g thread in usenet about this very issue - and even MoeTrin couldn't find out why I would always get assigned 169.254.x.x after switching OS's between reboots |
| 17:09.53 | Maulkin | aptitude: tell Joe3 about nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:10.20 | stew | enouf: it has nothing to do with any other os, its the zeroconf package, which is designed solely to give you a 169.254 address in addition to whatever address you have |
| 17:10.47 | enouf | stew: It doesn't happen that often anymore - but on occasion -- i'm thinking it has todo with the WOL function of the NIC, and it not seeing/recieving a complete full power cycle between reboots into other OSes |
| 17:11.09 | stew | enouf: no, not at all |
| 17:11.17 | enouf | I uninstalled ZEROCONF a long time ago and it STILL happens |
| 17:11.18 | roxy_ | No manual entry for zeroconf :( |
| 17:11.30 | stew | roxy_: /usr/share/doc/zeroconf/ |
| 17:11.40 | enouf | Ask him if MS is installed |
| 17:11.45 | Joe3 | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 17:11.45 | Joe3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.48 | Joe3 | ^ |
| 17:11.49 | enouf | Ask about NetBIOS |
| 17:12.24 | roxy_ | stew: thanks |
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| 17:12.30 | cydork | Joe3: try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
| 17:12.43 | stew | enouf: there is absolutely no way that he is having a zeroconf address added to his ethernet card AFTER he gets a dhcp address by microsoft software while running linux |
| 17:12.53 | stew | enouf: that just makes no sense |
| 17:13.05 | enouf | stew: what? |
| 17:13.13 | enouf | I didn't say that |
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| 17:13.46 | enouf | It's the Router that's being kill-joyed in between AND the WOL funtion as I stated |
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| 17:14.09 | streuner | Joe3: etch? |
| 17:14.24 | Joe3 | yup |
| 17:14.25 | enouf | stew: How does one WOL if it isn't available?> |
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| 17:14.59 | streuner | Joe3: what's wrong with 'nv'? |
| 17:15.30 | streuner | Joe3: it was broken in unstable before, but seems ok nowadays (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 17:15.41 | stew | enouf: my explanation for his behavior is that the zeroconf package and the ifupdown package are working exactly the way they are supposed to work, which is why everything is working just fine for him. do you really your explanation makes more sense than mine? |
| 17:15.42 | Joe3 | Because I want 3d/opengl support so I can fully utlilize my card :P |
| 17:16.15 | streuner | Joe3: ok, maint. URL should help, otherwise try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:16.39 | enouf | stew: My NIC light is ALWAYS on even after a Full Power down -- wanna see? I even get a "eth0 remaining active for WOL" as I'm shutting down Linux Shutdown scripts/sequence messages() |
| 17:16.39 | buu | streuner: You have any ideas about a madadm problem? madadm -A says it is active, /proc/mdstat says it is inactive, mdadm --run says input/output errors. |
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| 17:17.01 | stew | enouf: i don't see how that at all relates to roxy_'s questions |
| 17:17.02 | Joe3 | thanks people |
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| 17:17.28 | enouf | stew: So once again I Ask --> How does one WOL if it isn't available? |
| 17:18.05 | roxy_ | enouf: I only have linux and my gf has a mac. I got no microsoft at home. (nothing religious, I just happened to learn linux before anything else) |
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| 17:18.39 | stew | enouf: oh i thought you were somehow talking about roxy_'s questions, i see you are talking about a totally unrelated topic now. what do you mean by "isn't available"? |
| 17:19.27 | enouf | stew: The Router stays ON -- all the time, and networking traffic is constantly going through it (Cable modem = Always On) -- NetBIOS chatters like a baitch -- but Internet traffic chatters even more (ICMP,Pings, etc)) |
| 17:20.04 | enouf | roxy_: Apple(Talk) are the company who invented Zeroconf under a diff name |
| 17:20.41 | stew | enouf: i don't understand your question, what do you mean by WOL isn't available? |
| 17:21.15 | enouf | roxy_: I wanted to say CIDR, but that's Classless Ineternet Domain Routing -- en.wikipedia.org will explain it -- it's a funked Multi-Cast address |
| 17:21.30 | stew | its not multicast |
| 17:21.50 | enouf | stew: In order to WakeOnLAN -- the NIC has to be avaiable throughout -- and for ALL connected to the LAN |
| 17:21.58 | stew | enouf: yes |
| 17:22.24 | enouf | stew: Hence the "chatter" on the network, even while some PC's are down or sleeping |
| 17:22.42 | enouf | stew: The NIC is listening all thew time |
| 17:22.56 | stew | yes |
| 17:23.24 | enouf | stew: OK -- well "something" is messing up the DHCP/Router NIC address routing |
| 17:23.51 | stew | enouf: wake on lan isn't tcp/ip its layer 2, the card doesn't have an ip address when the machine is off but the nic is listening |
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| 17:24.16 | stew | enouf: wake on lan doesn't have anything to do with dhcp |
| 17:24.31 | stew | enouf: how exactly are you trying to use wake on lan? |
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| 17:25.01 | Joe3 | hmmm still not working |
| 17:25.06 | enouf | stew: Ok -- but upon Wake (or Boot) 'something' is interfering with the NIC obtaing the appropriately assigned address -- or the Router is NOT doling it out correctly -- or it receives the "wrong" info when it parses the NIC |
| 17:26.33 | stew | enouf: anything that is happening after boot doesn't have anything to do with wakeonlan, what is the exact symptoms? |
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| 17:27.25 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
| 17:27.44 | buu | dondelelcaro: Help! |
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| 17:28.00 | streuner | he has a RAID problem |
| 17:28.13 | buu | I do indeed |
| 17:28.37 | holycow | streuner, hey dude |
| 17:28.40 | holycow | long time no see! |
| 17:28.55 | peterS | chuck norris doesn't have RAID problems. RAID has Chuck Norris problems. |
| 17:28.57 | streuner | you're hanging in the wrong channels around :-) |
| 17:29.16 | enouf | stew: my point is that the WOL is through the SMBus (or DMI), but all along the NIC is awake -- and somehow in an altered state -- obviously if I couldn't pinpoint the exact time of the issue occuring, I'd let the world know |
| 17:29.47 | stew | enouf: what is the issue occuring, i'm having trouble understanding exactly what the heck the problem is. |
| 17:29.59 | enouf | stew: whoops - obviously I can't pinpoint the exact time of the issue occuring, I'd let the world know |
| 17:30.12 | enouf | stew: ok here goes |
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| 17:30.19 | peterS | I'm sure the world cares |
| 17:30.49 | enouf | When Rebooting into win98 - (sometimes) I end up with a 169.254.x.x addy -- see? |
| 17:31.18 | stew | enouf: oh, this is a win98 problem? |
| 17:31.55 | fluxdude | does anybody here use screen? how do you jump to the beginning of the line in screen? in catches all c-a keystrokes! |
| 17:32.05 | stew | fluxdude: "ctrl-a a" |
| 17:32.07 | dondelelcaro | buu: ? |
| 17:32.15 | enouf | stew: it has (almost) never occured while rebooting into Linux for me though...AND it was always a Warm boot -- but upon _another_subsequent_ warm boot -- the issue clears itself Up |
| 17:32.31 | enouf | stew: That's why I suggested to Reboot |
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| 17:33.09 | stew | enouf: oh wait, you are back to roxy? roxy doesn't have a problem. everything was working 100% as designed |
| 17:33.10 | buu | dondelelcaro: Raid problem. I had some kidn of crash and when it came back up my raid wouldn't mount. Symptoms: mdadm -A says raid is active, proc/mdstat says inactive, mdadm --run says input/output errors. |
| 17:33.15 | enouf | stew: I'm trying to tell you that EITHER "windoze" or "Mac" is involved in this funk |
| 17:33.18 | fluxdude | stew: thanks |
| 17:33.22 | stew | enouf: its not |
| 17:33.29 | stew | ugh, this is a major waste of my time |
| 17:33.35 | enouf | stew : We disagree then - ok |
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| 17:33.45 | enouf | ugh yourself! |
| 17:34.15 | peterS | enouf: you disagree because he actually looked at the evidence presented by roxy_, and that does not agree with your assertions |
| 17:34.18 | dondelelcaro | buu: you mean mdadm -D? what does that report? |
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| 17:34.36 | buu | dondelelcaro: erxz.com/pb/3281 |
| 17:34.37 | buu | I think |
| 17:34.38 | enouf | stew: Fact -- this NEVER happens on linux UNLESS Win or Mac is on the network |
| 17:34.45 | buu | erxz.com/pb/2382 #excuse me |
| 17:34.54 | peterS | enouf: Fact - it certainly does |
| 17:35.03 | stew | enouf: no. he has zeroconf installed. this is what zeroconf does. |
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| 17:35.53 | stew | enouf: your assertion that he has a zeroconf address becuase he is dual booting with windows is far less plausable than the explanation that he has a zeroconf address becuase the zeroconf package is actually working as designed |
| 17:35.56 | enouf | peterS: Well then it's a Linux Issue too ?? That's not what stew said -- he 's thinking it's my win98 only |
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| 17:36.17 | peterS | enouf: YOUR issue is with win98. HIS issue is with a Debian package that you apparently know nothing about. |
| 17:36.31 | enouf | peterS: Zeroconf was UNINSTALLED on my system a long time ago -- still does it |
| 17:36.40 | sng | enouf: That's the Windows autoconfig IP. It's what windows does when it can't get a IP from a DHCP server for whatever reason. |
| 17:36.59 | enouf | It's the Router and the WOL function! |
| 17:37.04 | peterS | enouf: we are not talking about your system, we are talking about roxy_'s system. please just stop, you've been barking up the wrong tree for half an hour. |
| 17:37.16 | sng | In this case stew would be correct. Rather surprising given that he hangs out with abrotman. :P |
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| 17:37.35 | abrotman | not my fault! |
| 17:37.35 | abrotman | oh wait .. it was |
| 17:37.35 | sng | abrotman: Everything is! |
| 17:37.38 | peterS | IAAF. |
| 17:37.49 | sng | peterS: :) |
| 17:37.50 | stew | sng: its a zeroconf address, zeroconf is now a dependency of avahi iirc, so if you install avahi, you get zeroconf and therefor you get a zeroconf address in addition to any other ip address you have |
| 17:37.56 | dondelelcaro | buu: and for mdadm -D /dev/md0 ? |
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| 17:38.02 | sng | stew: Ahhh. Fair enough. |
| 17:38.19 | buu | dondelelcaro: erxz.com/pb/2383 |
| 17:38.41 | stew | sng: its actually an apple thing more than a microsoft thing |
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| 17:38.50 | sng | stew: I will admit to having only read part of this little cluster. But enough to know that you're right. |
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| 17:39.09 | stew | well now its a rfc3927 thing |
| 17:39.14 | sng | stew: Ahhh. I just saw win 98 and the autoconf addy and lept to a conclusion. But fair enough. |
| 17:39.30 | sng | Good news, abrotman! |
| 17:39.31 | dondelelcaro | buu: ok, I think mdadm is probably right, and proc is wrong... |
| 17:39.34 | sng | It was my fault! |
| 17:39.40 | abrotman | sng: you saved a bunch of money? |
| 17:39.40 | enouf | ok, then folks -- All I can do is point you to my thread in c.o.l.n -- and see what you guys can make of it -- and no, I don't know everything...never said I did -- but on this specific issue, I've tried in vain to resolve and all I wa doing is imparting my experiences and trying to shed domwe light about where to look -- I can be wrong - and I can be humble -- but will not take slack from anyone ever |
| 17:39.43 | dondelelcaro | buu: it could be reporting that it's inactive because it isn't mounted... |
| 17:40.05 | sng | enouf: Don't use win 98? |
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| 17:40.24 | peterS | sng: or, don't try to solve win98 problems on comp.os.linux.networking? |
| 17:40.35 | abrotman | sng: the french version ? |
| 17:40.35 | sng | peterS: Either way. Yeah. :) |
| 17:40.45 | sng | abrotman: :P |
| 17:41.18 | buu | dondelelcaro: Mount gives me 'wrong fs,bad option, etc' |
| 17:41.42 | buu | dondelelcaro: jfs_fsck says 'superblock is corrupt and cannot be repaired' |
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| 17:42.19 | enouf | Fellas ; Why would warm-booting into Linux, and subsequently warm booting back into 98 mess up my win98 networking if Linux, the Router, or the WOL function didn't have something to do with it |
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| 17:43.00 | stew | enouf: for help with windows 98 please go to a more appropriate channel |
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| 17:43.12 | sng | Must. Not. Troll. |
| 17:43.20 | sng | Must. Fight. Urge. |
| 17:43.22 | enouf | Done -- but know The Router doles out DHCP -- end of story |
| 17:43.39 | stew | enouf: if you are having problems with your networking under debian, we'd be happy to help |
| 17:44.15 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know what exactly the "overlimits" counter means when showing a tc qdisc status? |
| 17:45.29 | enouf | stew: thanks -- fwiw, as I recall, I wasn't the OP in the thread I referenced in c.o.l.n -- I started posting in reply to another dual-booting person wirth very similar issues -- Let's move on for now |
| 17:46.01 | ggeecko | is it difficult to configure debian as a gateway/router |
| 17:46.10 | LoRez | ggeecko: no |
| 17:46.35 | ggeecko | LoRez: I need dnsmasq, dhcp and what else |
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| 17:47.01 | MsgToThePpl | who can help me with samba ? |
| 17:47.15 | sng | Friends don't let friends run DHCP on a gateway/router. |
| 17:47.20 | roxy_ | shouldn't all md5 of the *same* pattern be the same ? |
| 17:47.35 | ggeecko | sng: thx...what do I need |
| 17:47.49 | skrewz | sng: Why not? |
| 17:47.57 | enouf | sng : shhh I won't tell if you don't ;-) |
| 17:48.01 | LoRez | sng: you'd recommend having yet another box handling dhcp service for a 5 client network? |
| 17:48.55 | peterS | roxy_: yes |
| 17:49.05 | sng | LoRez: I would. But then again I'm rather fanatical about security and think that having DHCP on a cloud facing box is not worth the tradeoff of saving a couple of bucks on another box. |
| 17:49.23 | roxy_ | peterS: then why grub-md5-crypt gives a different one each time ? |
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| 17:49.55 | sng | It's a personal tradeoff. Clearly the friends don't let friends thing was overstating the issue for a bit of comedic relief. |
| 17:50.05 | MsgToThePpl | i installed samba and added a shared folder but smb:/ shows a blank page |
| 17:50.06 | MsgToThePpl | why ? |
| 17:50.20 | peterS | roxy_: I've never heard of grub-md5-crypt. but if you're talking about password encryption, typically it uses something known as "salt" to ensure that two identical passwords won't look identical after encryption, so people can't tell they actually are identical |
| 17:50.21 | skrewz | sng: That's what OUTPUT firewall rules are for. I can't see an issue on running dhcpd on the internal interface. |
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| 17:51.01 | buu | dondelelcaro: No ideas? |
| 17:51.03 | sng | skrewz: Yeah, cause firewall rules *never* fail. :) |
| 17:51.38 | roxy_ | peterS: duh. I did learn that during my CS classes but I forgot. thanks. |
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| 17:51.51 | enouf | stew: btw -- did you happen to catch my post about fixing those funky japanese characters in my Volume Label, while viewing in Konqueror's SideBar? |
| 17:52.16 | stew | enouf: i saw that you said you fixed it. |
| 17:52.33 | enouf | stew: Ok -- great - just wanted to inform |
| 17:52.51 | skrewz | sng: I get your point, but you'd need to trust the firewall'ing mechanism on a firewall, anyway. :) |
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| 17:53.31 | sng | skrewz: Yeah. But what's the point of not limiting the damage that can be done if/when it fails? |
| 17:53.51 | stew | to screw with the dhcp server's settings, an attacker would have to get access to the firewall's filesystem at which point you've lost anyway. |
| 17:53.53 | peterS | sng: not having to buy yet another server? |
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| 17:54.10 | sng | peterS: Hardware is cheap. |
| 17:54.16 | peterS | not _that_ cheap |
| 17:54.31 | peterS | and you need space, power, and admin time for each machine you've got |
| 17:54.35 | roxy_ | I got my md5 using grub-md5-crypt then added that line to menu.lst: password --md5 $1$vtZnX1$t.2tK0C4ZVRDvGrwDvSYH1 , but each time grub ask me for a password, it says my password is wrong. I checked multiple time. What could have done wrong ? |
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| 17:55.13 | peterS | roxy_: I don't see why --md5 is needed on that line, doesn't the $1$ mean md5 already? |
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| 17:55.36 | danf_1979 | Is there any debian image, barebones with only apt system on? |
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| 17:55.54 | stew | danf_1979: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:56.18 | roxy_ | peterS: it is still part of the md5, isn't it. Don't you have it in yours ? they are some commented exemple. |
| 17:56.23 | sng | peterS: Depends on what you value. So yeah tis all good. |
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| 17:56.34 | danf_1979 | install debian remotely, my house -> dedicated server |
| 17:56.44 | peterS | roxy_: I don't use grub with passwords. you tell me. it just looks to me as though the --md5 part should not be needed. |
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| 17:56.46 | roxy_ | danf_1979: you can ask for basic while installing |
| 17:56.48 | tziku | can somebody help me? I have 2 files: mac.req (users from network who asc from IP - using DHCP...can be more that 200 time 1 mac) and mac.txt (users who are in database). And i want to see what user is in mac.req and isn't in mac.txt (to see who isn't in database). Can somebody help me please ? |
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| 17:57.18 | peterS | tziku: the 'comm' program is intended for such thing. 'uniq' can also do it. |
| 17:57.31 | peterS | usually in conjunction with 'sort'. |
| 17:57.31 | tziku | thanks :) let's see |
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| 17:58.07 | danf_1979 | Is there some kind of live-cd so the guys at de host company would only have to put a misserable cd on the drive? |
| 17:58.23 | peterS | tziku: so something like: 'comm -3 mac.req mac.txt' |
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| 17:59.27 | tziku | thanks :)) |
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| 18:00.13 | dark_light | someone knows how to find the PID file of firefox? it says it can't start the default profile because it's "running", but it must be a orphan pid file.. |
| 18:00.25 | enouf | roxy_ see http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#password and http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#md5crypt |
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| 18:00.50 | Vasistha | dark_light: ps aux | grep firefox |
| 18:01.18 | dark_light | Vasistha, nothing but grep firefox itself :) |
| 18:01.20 | nima | how can i change the motd, and have it not changed back when i reboot? |
| 18:01.54 | Vasistha | dark_light: of course, you could also just killall firefox and be done with it |
| 18:02.13 | stew | nima: its updated in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 18:02.44 | nima | thanks |
| 18:02.45 | dark_light | Vasistha, firefox isn't running. so i think it must be a orphan pid file. i mean, a file that says "firefox is running" |
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| 18:03.07 | peterS | dark_light: yeah, there's one somewhere under ~/.mozilla. I haven't used firefox in a very long time so I can't say more |
| 18:03.14 | newbcoder | in gnome, how do I bind alt-space to gnome-terminal? when I look at keyboard-shortcuts, it doesn't give me the option to bind new shortcut; when I go to properties in the menu; it doesn't give me a way to bind shortcuts either |
| 18:03.23 | buu | 9~oh thank god. |
| 18:03.26 | Vasistha | dark_light: hrm, interesting. oh, I see what you meant by 'nothing but grep firefox itself' -- that was the output of ps |
| 18:03.43 | Vasistha | dark_light: something in /var/run perhaps |
| 18:03.52 | ^punisher | sup |
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| 18:04.41 | peterS | Vasistha: no, firefox is a web browser. it's run by users, not by the system. |
| 18:04.58 | dark_light | hmmm.. removing ~/.mozilla/firefox/myaccount/lock worked here.. :) thanks for attention Vasistha peterS |
| 18:05.07 | Vasistha | peterS: ahha, I see, thanks for that |
| 18:05.28 | peterS | dark_light: good to know, I'll try and remember that path for next time someone asks (: |
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| 18:06.08 | roxy_ | stew: "ip a" works perfect :-) |
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| 18:08.36 | hyde | to install a new debian OS, do I need to download 14CDs? Is that the only way for the install? |
| 18:08.44 | newbcoder | no |
| 18:08.48 | newbcoder | you an just download the first CD |
| 18:08.53 | newbcoder | and get the rest via the network |
| 18:09.04 | newbcoder | (i.e. you install the base using the first CD, then choose http to get yoru other packages |
| 18:09.07 | Eclipser | better to just get netinstall image |
| 18:09.09 | newbcoder | and debian'll pull them from the we) |
| 18:09.14 | abrotman | !d-i Hyd |
| 18:09.15 | abrotman | !d-i Hyde |
| 18:09.17 | hyde | newbcoder: you mean this one: debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso as the first CD? |
| 18:09.19 | abrotman | no bot ... |
| 18:09.24 | newbcoder | I believe so |
| 18:09.29 | abrotman | aptitude: d-i Hyde |
| 18:09.33 | aptitude | Hyde, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:09.44 | abrotman | hyde: if you're running x86 .. yes |
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| 18:10.52 | hyde | thanks. |
| 18:11.16 | abrotman | hyde: you do have broadband .. right? |
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| 18:11.28 | hyde | yes |
| 18:11.36 | Vasistha | hyde: depending on your situation, the netinst cd might be best |
| 18:11.58 | CHodapp | Why the heck does MPlayer refuse to run without GGI? |
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| 18:12.04 | newbcoder | what's ggi? |
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| 18:12.08 | newbcoder | mplayer iss running for me |
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| 18:12.11 | hyde | where can I find more info on using netinst to do the installation? |
| 18:12.12 | newbcoder | and I don't know what ggi is |
| 18:12.15 | CHodapp | a graphics abstraction layer |
| 18:12.19 | newbcoder | #debian |
| 18:12.25 | CHodapp | which MPlayer can use |
| 18:12.51 | Vasistha | hyde: what kind of info are you looking for? It's pretty simple. |
| 18:12.55 | CHodapp | I'm on etch, AMD64... |
| 18:13.30 | hyde | I mean is there some screenshots for the install process, to make it much more painless. |
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| 18:13.58 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do install KDE complete using apt? |
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| 18:14.11 | knoxy | My installation don't run |
| 18:14.54 | Vasistha | knoxy: I believe the package called kde installs the complete kde ... apt-get install kde ? |
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| 18:14.56 | abrotman | !tell Hyde about ig |
| 18:15.00 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:15.00 | stew | knoxy: aptitude install kde x-window-system-core |
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| 18:15.05 | abrotman | damn bots |
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| 18:15.16 | abrotman | &tell hyde about ig |
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| 18:15.37 | sussudio | %bite abrotman |
| 18:15.42 | abrotman | yay! |
| 18:15.54 | abrotman | or maybe dpkg has me on ignore again .. |
| 18:15.55 | Vasistha | nasty badgers... |
| 18:16.01 | sussudio | %seen dpkg |
| 18:16.02 | badgers | dpkg <n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 33s ago, saying: 'i guess g4u is ghost for unix, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/'. |
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| 18:16.07 | Vasistha | abrotman: naw, dpkg isn't even in the chan |
| 18:16.31 | nima | whats the differance between /var/run/motd and /etc/motd? |
| 18:16.41 | abrotman | Vasistha: that's kind of like ignoring :) |
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| 18:16.58 | Vasistha | abrotman: I suppose so, if you choose to take it personally! |
| 18:17.07 | Myrth | what pkgs i need to install for kernel-source? |
| 18:17.12 | roxy_ | I found out why grub was telling me my password was wrong. I the checksumm is computed using my french keyboard, but grub ,before boot ,is still in US keyboard, so za becomes wq . |
| 18:17.15 | Vasistha | the bus is late ... that bus driver must hate me... |
| 18:17.36 | Vasistha | Myrth: kernel-source-??? depends what you want |
| 18:18.09 | Vasistha | Myrth: a little d.p.o search for kernel-source will yield a nice big list for you to browse |
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| 18:19.01 | Vasistha | roxy_: ooh, weird, and interesting! |
| 18:19.32 | roxy_ | Vasistha: I think it should be written in grub-md5-crypt manpage . |
| 18:19.58 | Vasistha | roxy_: you know, that's not a bad idea, are you gonna contact the author? |
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| 18:20.39 | roxy_ | Vasistha: fill a bug in the debian package. No author for the manpage |
| 18:20.57 | Myrth | i'm trying to get answer for ubuntu.. no one in the channel answers |
| 18:20.59 | abrotman | Vasistha: Hey mr driver man, don't be slow, cause i got somewhere i gotta go? |
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| 18:21.15 | Vasistha | &tell Myrth about ubuntu |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | Myrth: ask #ubuntu please |
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| 18:22.02 | roxy_ | abrotman: can't you change your nick to dpkg ? :-) |
| 18:22.38 | yang | i get this error when starting tftpd Jul 27 20:19:47 sisyphus in.tftpd[20787]: cannot set groups for user nobody |
| 18:22.56 | abrotman | roxy_: how about a |
| 18:22.58 | abrotman | erm |
| 18:23.03 | abrotman | roxy_: how about 'abotman' ? |
| 18:23.54 | unix_infidel | lol |
| 18:24.19 | roxy_ | !abotman initrd |
| 18:24.53 | roxy_ | god, that bot is just too slow :-) |
| 18:25.04 | abrotman | roxy_: I heard initrd is god's way of punishing people for compiling their own kernel. Used in Debian's kernels. man make-kpkg |
| 18:25.38 | knoxy | how can I do install complete kde with apt? |
| 18:25.38 | roxy_ | !abotman beer abrotman |
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| 18:25.53 | roxy_ | knoxy: aptitude install kde |
| 18:26.01 | stew | knoxy: apt-get install kde x-window-system-core |
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| 18:26.12 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 18:26.17 | abrotman | &install kde |
| 18:26.17 | aptitude | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 18:26.26 | abrotman | and get kdm and x-window-system-core |
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| 18:27.32 | jair | guys, I have a quick question, if I want to create users on debian using the "adduser" command but want to specify the group so then can be on the same group? |
| 18:28.24 | roxy_ | jair: man adduser |
| 18:28.32 | jair | I should do it like this: "adduser --groupname "? |
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| 18:28.46 | jair | roxy_: very helpful thanks |
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| 18:28.49 | ryan` | exim question: Any way to limit the total incoming SMTP session time? |
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| 18:30.09 | jair | or should I do: (adduser "user" "group") and by the way it is a number the group right I can not indicate it by name?? too? |
| 18:30.12 | MsgToThePpl | hi, what's the corresponding "console" (terminal) command to browse a samba net? man if i do smb:/address fron konqueror i see the samba net |
| 18:30.18 | MsgToThePpl | but i wanna browse from cmdline |
| 18:30.22 | MsgToThePpl | is it possible ? |
| 18:30.29 | MsgToThePpl | need ssh or something ? |
| 18:30.48 | jair | MsgToThePpl: not I think you just have to check the command os sbmclien |
| 18:30.54 | topher | hello #debian! i have just installed sarge and am trying to run some simple servers in an insecure setup and wish to access various ports on this sarge box but it appears as though sarge by default as a firewall up. i couldnt figure out how to disable it, does anybody know how? |
| 18:30.56 | jair | smbclient |
| 18:31.52 | MsgToThePpl | smbclient works in terminal (not gui) ? |
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| 18:33.20 | streuner | topher: no firewall is enabled by default... |
| 18:33.26 | whadar | i'm looking for a debian based distro with no desktop environment, with webmin inside (for servers). |
| 18:33.33 | whadar | any ideas? |
| 18:33.45 | topher | streuner: is there inetd or something running? i have a program running that i can access on port 5155 via localhost but not from any other host connected through my switch |
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| 18:35.30 | streuner | topher: use netstat to find out what kind of program that is |
| 18:35.55 | streuner | netstat -plunt | grep 5155 |
| 18:36.43 | topher | it says it's up and listening on tcp 5155 |
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| 18:37.04 | streuner | but what app should be that? |
| 18:37.15 | streuner | inetd is 733 and its enabled by default |
| 18:37.35 | topher | streuner: it's a port picked randomly by rmserver, real media's streaming server |
| 18:37.40 | knoxy | how can I do to install kde complete using apt? |
| 18:37.41 | roxy_ | whadar: webmin is not part of debian |
| 18:37.43 | knoxy | *aptitude |
| 18:37.49 | streuner | heh |
| 18:37.53 | streuner | !info webmin |
| 18:38.10 | streuner | webmin is part of debian, but you shouldn't use it |
| 18:38.11 | roxy_ | streuner: dpkg has been replace by abotman |
| 18:38.23 | streuner | roxy_: haha |
| 18:38.30 | topher | streuner: i know the streaming server itself is configuring to accept from all ips on all interfaces, and it works via localhost, but that's it. any idea what that could be? |
| 18:38.42 | streuner | roxy_: well, dpkg is clever |
| 18:38.58 | roxy_ | streuner: dpkg is on holidays |
| 18:39.05 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 18:39.05 | apt | what's up |
| 18:39.13 | streuner | apt, info webmin |
| 18:39.55 | streuner | fuck, you are right :-) |
| 18:40.18 | streuner | they throw that crap out, a wise decision |
| 18:40.34 | Blastur | hey! im running my debian system on a small 512 mb usb memory stick.. this is so my usb drive (a 250 gb disc connected) won't spin up when the system is like writing to logs etc.. there are however some files that i want to keep on my large drive, such as mysql database files etc.. how can I make this happen? |
| 18:41.14 | streuner | topher: netstat -plunt | grep <port> should tell you |
| 18:41.45 | topher | streuner: i meant any idea what the problem could be. i know what the software is, i just dont know why it's being blocked from external ips |
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| 18:43.02 | Mazingaro | please, my flash plugin won't play audio back :( (unstable + firefox) |
| 18:43.05 | whadar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.09 | abrotman | thank god |
| 18:43.11 | Mazingaro | please help |
| 18:43.22 | abrotman | aumix and alsamixer |
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| 18:43.37 | Mazingaro | abrotman: ? |
| 18:43.49 | streuner | topher: icecast? |
| 18:43.57 | HelmutG | Hi. Do you know a tool to multiplex a device to a terminal? (like minicom without timeout) |
| 18:44.23 | whadar | !info webmin |
| 18:44.41 | streuner | they throw it out of unstable... |
| 18:44.54 | topher | streuner: it's a realmedia, but i already run icecast just fine. so to the best of your knowledge there is nothing configured in sarge by default that would block ports? |
| 18:44.54 | streuner | so you won't get any result |
| 18:44.58 | cbeok | Hello! I am having trouble building fedora-ds from source, make doesn't seem to be finding the limit.h header file. Can anyone tell why this might be so, considering the fact that the standard C library is present? |
| 18:45.05 | whadar | is there any webgui alternative? |
| 18:45.14 | streuner | topher: sorry, no idea |
| 18:45.24 | topher | streuner: that's alright. i appreciate your help |
| 18:45.34 | roxy_ | whadar: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/webmin if you really wants it but you should think about it carefully |
| 18:45.57 | streuner | topher: for the second part, no. |
| 18:46.33 | HelmutG | Is there any program that permits me to read from a device and write to it simultaneously? (unlike /bin/cat) |
| 18:46.34 | streuner | topher: (...of the question) -- blocked ports. |
| 18:46.46 | topher | streuner: ah, alright, thanks though |
| 18:46.55 | cbeok | In fact, there are scads of missing header files. Some as common as stdio.h . |
| 18:47.06 | Mazingaro | please, my flash plugin won't play audio back :( (unstable + firefox), please help |
| 18:47.15 | streuner | topher: so i guess its a misconfiguration of the app or the router |
| 18:47.27 | amphi | cbeok: install build-essential perhaps |
| 18:47.49 | streuner | !b-e cbeok |
| 18:48.02 | streuner | apt, b-e cbeok |
| 18:48.07 | stew | Mazingaro: try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" then restart firefox |
| 18:48.18 | roxy_ | does reportbug works with kmail ? |
| 18:48.31 | streuner | hardly |
| 18:48.44 | stew | roxy_: no, reportbug just launches sensible-editor |
| 18:48.54 | whadar | is there any explanation out there for the reason it is not supported anymore? |
| 18:49.04 | Mazingaro | stew: ok |
| 18:49.06 | roxy_ | stew: not easy to report a bug :( |
| 18:49.07 | Mazingaro | stew: thanks |
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| 18:49.32 | cbeok | Thanks streuner and amphi I'll give it a try. |
| 18:49.37 | stew | whadar: the package was orphaned for over a year and nobody was interested in adopting the package, so the previous maintainer requested it be removed becuase nobody was maintaining the pacakge |
| 18:49.48 | stew | whadar: if someoen decides they want to maintain it, it will return |
| 18:49.52 | stew | !webmin |
| 18:49.59 | stew | &webmin |
| 18:49.59 | aptitude | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 18:50.19 | stew | hah, but dondelelcaro doesn't have live electrical outlets! :P |
| 18:51.19 | streuner | How about to give him some? :-) |
| 18:52.03 | whadar | ok maybe you can suggest something else... i want a router-like server with web interface and no desktop environment at all. |
| 18:52.51 | Mazingaro | stew: vi /etc/firefox/firefoxrc |
| 18:53.03 | dondelelcaro | streuner: well, I do now... I just don't have someone who can go into my lab to turn two of the machines on |
| 18:53.04 | amphi | whadar: you can't just admin it via ssh? |
| 18:53.08 | Mazingaro | stew: then put FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" |
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| 18:53.18 | whadar | no... |
| 18:53.40 | stew | Mazingaro: if you are using alsa, you'll need "snd-pcm-oss" to be loaded which is the oss compatibility layer for alsa |
| 18:53.58 | whadar | cause it should be accessed from any OS... and should be friendly :) |
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| 18:54.56 | Ronin | whadar: ssh is friendly |
| 18:54.57 | whadar | i guess only web gui do it both... |
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| 18:55.47 | streuner | dondelelcaro: disable one of the 50 monitors in your lab :-P |
| 18:56.05 | amphi | whadar: most OSes have ssh clients... |
| 18:56.10 | dondelelcaro | streuner: I'm a few hundred miles away, unfortunatly |
| 18:56.30 | whadar | Ronin: i need a gui... my mom should be able to administrate it :) |
| 18:56.34 | streuner | dondelelcaro: so the server is in california? |
| 18:56.54 | waiting | Mazingaro: aoss works with firefox now? :D which dist? |
| 18:56.59 | dondelelcaro | streuner: yes. It's in my lab. Indeed, it's in the same lab as the machine where irssi is running |
| 18:57.10 | amphi | whadar: she's not a big fan of iptables, for example? ;) |
| 18:57.16 | whadar | lol |
| 18:57.28 | dondelelcaro | however, I am not there, and the machines running those services don't have auto-power-on on power outage. |
| 18:58.00 | roxy_ | can someone help me get a brief description of my problem (for a bug report). The problem is: when running grub-md5-crypt the system is already booted so using the user's keymap, however when grub ask for it, the keymap is not loaded so wq becomes za on french keyboard. This should be put in the man page. |
| 18:58.01 | whadar | i think the requirement is quite common... it is not that i am so special... |
| 18:58.17 | waiting | soon I can watch youtube again :)) my favorite is on "random ppl wresteling fecies & other fun stuff that fits in a 10 minutes video" |
| 18:58.21 | roxy_ | I can't put it in fewer word :/ |
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| 18:58.35 | amphi | whadar: perhaps there is some alternative to webmin, I don't know of one (or about webmin, for that matter) |
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| 18:59.25 | dondelelcaro | ssh+$EDITOR is the alternative. |
| 18:59.39 | Mazingaro | waiting: debian testing |
| 18:59.48 | dondelelcaro | in general if that's not sufficient, you shouldn't be administering a machine |
| 18:59.52 | waiting | Mazingaro: cool, will try that |
| 18:59.53 | amphi | dondelelcaro: his mother is not going to be overjoyed... ;) |
| 18:59.57 | waiting | Mazingaro: have thanks |
| 19:00.06 | Mazingaro | stew: no snd-oss-pcm at all |
| 19:00.15 | stew | Mazingaro: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:00.32 | Mazingaro | 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 19:00.32 | whadar | amphi: ok thanks for the help |
| 19:00.47 | Mazingaro | stew: sorry |
| 19:00.52 | amphi | whadar: you could perhaps create some ncurses-based gui thing... |
| 19:00.58 | Mazingaro | stew: snd_pcm_oss 46112 0 |
| 19:00.58 | Mazingaro | snd_mixer_oss 16576 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 19:01.14 | Mazingaro | stew: but I didnt't load it by hand |
| 19:04.24 | whadar | amphi: but still text-based problem :/ |
| 19:05.06 | amphi | whadar: text-based is fine; a text interface can reduce the 'mnemonic load' as much as a pixel one |
| 19:05.17 | scorn | stew: fyi, I did an apt-get upgrade and installed hal-device-manager, that appeared to fix the problem, sorry for the bother. |
| 19:05.36 | amphi | whadar: which is all guis are really for, mostly, AFAICS |
| 19:05.43 | stew | Mazingaro: if restarting after that module is loaded doens't fix it, i don't know |
| 19:05.50 | stew | scorn: cool, no problem. |
| 19:06.10 | stew | scorn: if you want those volumes auto-mounted, have a look at the ivman package |
| 19:06.22 | scorn | okay, thanks. |
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| 19:07.43 | h2k | what's debian's package for gnome thumbnailer? |
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| 19:08.16 | streuner | sounds like a question for apt-cache search? |
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| 19:08.30 | lmh | have a problem: I try to mount an XFS-Partition, but it gives me a strange error: mount -t xfs /dev/sda1 /fileserv/foto - mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /fileserv/foto busy |
| 19:08.44 | streuner | aptitude, tell h2k about search |
| 19:09.13 | Blastur | how can I clear apt-gets cached lists? i'm on a very space limited machine, and /var/cache/apt is using up like 50 mb |
| 19:09.24 | h2k | streuner, did that, didn't find what i was looking for .. maybe it's not in amd64? |
| 19:09.38 | streuner | h2k: ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 19:09.41 | stew | Blastur: apt-get clean |
| 19:09.55 | Blastur | cool, thans |
| 19:09.58 | Blastur | thanks* |
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| 19:11.20 | Blastur | and about logs: whats the standard behavior on debian? will it keep my logs, or truncate them after reaching a certain size limit? and if a limit, how can i change it? |
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| 19:11.37 | streuner | by days |
| 19:11.41 | streuner | sure you can |
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| 19:12.18 | es0 | does debian support SAS drives? I'm considering purchasing them instead of SCSI. |
| 19:12.31 | streuner | it depends on the logs itself, there are two different systems to control the logs, IIRC... |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | es0: does linux support SAS? |
| 19:12.53 | es0 | abrotman. redhat says they do. |
| 19:13.21 | Blastur | streuner, my system is basically basesystem + mysql .. i guess i can configure mysql manually, but the system, like kernel logs, messages etc.. is there an easy/central way to control the behaviour? |
| 19:13.24 | DustyDingo | hm i made a debian netinstall, minimal etch system and now i want to build a kernel manually |
| 19:13.28 | abrotman | es0: unless it's a RH-only driver . i don't see why debian can't support them also |
| 19:13.36 | abrotman | DustyDingo: so what are oyu asking? |
| 19:13.37 | DustyDingo | i get strange errors when running make menuconfig |
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| 19:13.42 | abrotman | such as? |
| 19:13.52 | madclicker | anyone using postfixadmin? |
| 19:13.56 | DustyDingo | are there some requierements i have forgotten? |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | DustyDingo: what's the error? |
| 19:14.05 | abrotman | !b-e DustyDingo |
| 19:14.07 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:14.10 | abrotman | &b-e DustyDingo |
| 19:14.11 | aptitude | DustyDingo: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 19:14.29 | abrotman | DustyDingo: and you'll probably want libncurses-dev or libncurses5-dev |
| 19:14.30 | DustyDingo | aptitude: i'll try this |
| 19:14.39 | lmh | I try to mount an XFS-Partition, but it gives me a strange error: mount -t xfs /dev/sda1 /fileserv/foto - mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /fileserv/foto busy - but it is NOT mounted |
| 19:14.41 | DustyDingo | hm, k the devel version |
| 19:14.52 | abrotman | you need the header file for menuconfig |
| 19:15.05 | lmh | umount /fileserv/foto umount: /fileserv/foto: not mounted |
| 19:15.25 | lmh | anybody an idea on how i can mount that dir? |
| 19:15.44 | abrotman | check with fuser to see if something is using it |
| 19:15.44 | streuner | Blastur: man logrotate |
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| 19:16.19 | DustyDingo | ok thanks, worked |
| 19:16.21 | smax | fellaz. |
| 19:16.33 | DustyDingo | i allways forget to install devel packages :( |
| 19:16.49 | DustyDingo | maybe because i used gentoo a long time and there aren't any |
| 19:17.05 | smax | my debian server does not a a desktop gui. can i still host a desttop interface to log into to a PC that does have a destop gui ? |
| 19:17.25 | lmh | Nobody an Idea? |
| 19:17.41 | smax | i have some network admin tools on that debian box that are guis. but i ssh into that box. |
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| 19:17.47 | lmh | Could it be connected to the kernel? |
| 19:17.53 | streuner | Imh: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 19:17.59 | abrotman | smax: you can run X remotely if tha'ts what you mean |
| 19:18.15 | lmh | streuner: Linux version 2.6.16-xen (xenod@firebug.cl.cam.ac.uk) (gcc version 3.4.4 20050721 (Red Hat 3.4.4-2)) #1 SMP Thu Apr 13 18:07:33 BST 2006 |
| 19:18.21 | smax | abrotman: is there a recomended tutorial for this? |
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| 19:18.45 | streuner | Imh: where did you get that kernel from? |
| 19:19.09 | streuner | deadrat? |
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| 19:19.31 | streuner | and you asking in #debian how you can mount with this kernel? :-) |
| 19:19.44 | lmh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.16 | petemc | debian xen kernels are pretty good |
| 19:20.47 | lmh | petemc: have you got a good howto on where to get and how to install them? |
| 19:20.47 | Blastur | how come I only get 218 out of 230 gb when formatting it with ext3? |
| 19:21.03 | petemc | lmh: debian-administration.org |
| 19:21.04 | lmh | petemc: Are they compatible to Ubuntu? |
| 19:21.09 | waiting | Blastur: 5% reserved blocks? |
| 19:21.17 | Blastur | waiting: for what? |
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| 19:21.26 | waiting | Blastur: superuser, so root can work if disk is full |
| 19:21.28 | petemc | lmh: i dont know, i use debian, mostly.. |
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| 19:21.42 | Blastur | waiting, what if it's not a system disk, but a archive disk ? |
| 19:21.47 | waiting | Blastur: you can set it to 0% tho |
| 19:22.06 | waiting | Blastur: like e2fsutils some command, forgot ^^ |
| 19:22.10 | Blastur | superuser reserves are only useful on the sytem disk, right? |
| 19:22.21 | waiting | Blastur: I never turn them off |
| 19:22.35 | waiting | Blastur: but its a matter of style I spose |
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| 19:23.05 | smax | is it possible to host a X on a system that doesent have X install locally ? |
| 19:23.21 | waiting | smax: what is "hosting an X"? :) |
| 19:23.29 | smax | i mean hosting X |
| 19:23.42 | smax | x window system? |
| 19:23.55 | smax | remotely run gnome |
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| 19:23.56 | waiting | like xterm -display somewhere.else:0 ? |
| 19:24.04 | waiting | that works |
| 19:24.10 | lunitik | smax: you want to host X on a system that doesn't have it installed? huh |
| 19:24.12 | lunitik | idgi |
| 19:24.13 | waiting | needs xlibs tho |
| 19:25.24 | waiting | smax: if you have a minimal debian install and say like apt-get install xterm you will notice it won't pull the x server |
| 19:25.25 | lunitik | smax: you'd need at least the client stuffs (x is confused, server stuff is the apps, client stuff is the backend...) |
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| 19:26.54 | roger21 | i just installed metacity and put metacity in a .xssesion file but when i launch startx it does launch nothing |
| 19:26.58 | roger21 | any idea |
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| 19:27.08 | Jenkens | roger21: is that .xsession ;) |
| 19:27.19 | Jenkens | maybe you just typed it out wrong |
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| 19:27.27 | roger21 | oh |
| 19:27.45 | roger21 | (it won't be the first time /o\) |
| 19:28.10 | smax | lunitik: the client side are the libraries. those are sufficient to host X remotely on a minimal install of debain. correct? |
| 19:28.38 | smax | the server will come from my laptop at school. |
| 19:28.43 | waiting | smax: your wording is ... misleading: "hosting" is not used in that situation |
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| 19:28.50 | smax | oh right. |
| 19:29.08 | smax | so the remote end is truely hosting X. correct ? |
| 19:29.35 | waiting | smax: what you do is: you start an x client, that's an app that draws stuff. it connects to an x server, thats the part that gets drawn on. can be a remote machine with a monitor |
| 19:29.46 | Jenkens | roger21 : that fix ya up? |
| 19:29.51 | waiting | smax: so: what you want to do will work :) |
| 19:29.52 | roxy_ | how do I send the mail at the end of bugreport ? |
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| 19:30.14 | waiting | smax: will eat up lots of bandwidth tho :) |
| 19:30.17 | cr3 | anyone happen to know of an rss reader which displays incoming messages in the gnome panel? |
| 19:30.54 | roger21 | Jenkens, nop but .xsession-errors talks about theme (that i didn't installed so i'll try to install that |
| 19:31.02 | lunitik | smax: as far as I know... he'd need the xserver-xorg things (which is the client) ... everything else (apps, libs etc) would be on the server... |
| 19:31.02 | minerale | Hi, i'm trying to run a vncserver, but i keep getting fatal error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 19:31.28 | smax | ok thanx |
| 19:31.32 | roger21 | and .. nothing |
| 19:31.33 | smax | i'll apt thaht xserver-xorg |
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| 19:33.19 | lunitik | smax: should point server to start things like 'startx -- clientip:0' ... or also install xhost... (although I think there is security issues with that?) |
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| 19:35.57 | waiting | lunitik: xhost is weird %) |
| 19:36.03 | lunitik | X's architecture says the server is the client and client is the server... why would xhost be a client app? |
| 19:36.36 | waiting | lunitik: xhost is maybe not what you think it is |
| 19:37.03 | waiting | lunitik: /usr/bin/xhost is a small program that can add/delete hosts who are allowed to connect |
| 19:37.40 | lunitik | waiting: xhost = send xsession to another computer? |
| 19:37.55 | stew | lunitik: yeah but you run it from a client. if you already have access to the server you can, for instance run "DISPLAY=1.2.3.4:0 xhost +2.3.4.5" |
| 19:37.55 | waiting | lunitik: xhost alone can't do that |
| 19:37.58 | waiting | lunitik: it just reads/writes "authority files" |
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| 19:38.13 | stew | lunitik: xhost is just access control when you are too lazy to use xauth to move cookies around by hand |
| 19:38.20 | stew | (and should pretty much not be used) |
| 19:38.34 | lunitik | stew: I already stated it probably isn't secure ;) |
| 19:38.44 | waiting | long time ago it was a common move to do "xhost +localhost" |
| 19:38.52 | waiting | nowadays not needed |
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| 19:39.08 | stew | lunitik: did we mention that its not secure and shouldn't be used? its worth being redundantly redundant about :) |
| 19:39.18 | lunitik | stew: hahah |
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| 19:40.39 | waiting | lunitik: hm, easy stuff. X may be a hog, but it's always the same hog :) |
| 19:41.07 | lunitik | I do recall arguing with an instructor in college about instructing students to use it.... |
| 19:41.34 | waiting | lunitik: maybe he was an "X-structor" |
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| 19:42.04 | lunitik | waiting: hah... he agreed that its the worst thing to be telling them about remote X ... but apparently its part of the curriculum... |
| 19:42.18 | Quiznos | hi, is anyone running an xterm now? |
| 19:42.19 | lunitik | Should have taught better methods too... but never did :/ |
| 19:42.30 | lunitik | !anyone |
| 19:42.33 | waiting | Quiznos: only abozut six |
| 19:42.36 | lunitik | @anyone |
| 19:42.38 | ravenbird | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:42.42 | Quiznos | yea. |
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| 19:43.00 | lunitik | waiting: tabbed terminals are awesome |
| 19:43.06 | waiting | lunitik: what are better methods? |
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| 19:43.15 | waiting | lunitik: :OP |
| 19:43.38 | lunitik | waiting: VNC ... SSH tunneling ... anything but straight up Xhost :/ |
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| 19:43.47 | kuckuck | hi there |
| 19:44.12 | kuckuck | link-backup has the best backup concept I ever saw, but I'm not shure how good the software works... |
| 19:44.21 | stew | &mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:44.22 | aptitude | hmm... mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 19:45.34 | lunitik | should use that instead |
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| 19:45.58 | waiting | is there a complete bot manual? ^^ |
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| 19:46.07 | minerale | Hi, i'm trying to run a vncserver, but i keep getting "fatal error: could not open default font 'fixed'" -- and google does not help either |
| 19:46.38 | lunitik | minerale: change default font to something that is installed? |
| 19:47.12 | lunitik | waiting: #debian-bots tells you about their backends etc... |
| 19:47.14 | minerale | lunitik: how would I accomplish that ? |
| 19:47.22 | waiting | lunitik: nice, thyvm |
| 19:47.42 | lunitik | minerale: I don't have VNC installed... I'd just fire up google too... |
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| 19:48.46 | lunitik | waiting: although, last I played with it... blootbot is broken... so bug don or someone about their version maybe? |
| 19:49.09 | waiting | lunitik: :OP I dunno |
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| 19:49.16 | lunitik | waiting: sus and simon are good people to ask also... and stew I think |
| 19:50.08 | lunitik | waiting: suss and simon both maintain a bot based on dons bot... and stew knows the code pretty well too afaik |
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| 19:50.29 | waiting | all ppl like that |
| 19:50.50 | waiting | steve jobs will go berserk and sue me, thats how good it will be |
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| 19:51.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:51.50 | abrotman | what's wrong with me?! |
| 19:51.52 | lunitik | waiting: liquid used to be a cool reincarnation of aqua... but the maintainer went bazerk with graphite and fucked up the theme :( |
| 19:51.57 | abrotman | &blootbot |
| 19:51.57 | aptitude | methinks blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 19:52.01 | abrotman | !tell waiting about help |
| 19:52.04 | abrotman | &tell waiting about help |
| 19:52.28 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I told him that :P |
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| 19:52.32 | waiting | seen, has a manpage, too |
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| 19:52.34 | abrotman | piss off! |
| 19:52.41 | lunitik | Although I think CVS is working? |
| 19:52.48 | abrotman | i eat you! |
| 19:52.49 | lunitik | abrotman: piss off directed at me? |
| 19:53.01 | abrotman | lunitik: i would never insult a KDE user ... |
| 19:53.14 | cbeok | Ok, so I've just done apt-get install apache2-prefork-dev in order to put some header files on my machine for a build. But make complains that it cannot find these files. Any Clues? |
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| 19:53.45 | Kernel-Kris | anyone have experiance compiling zaptel for debian |
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| 19:54.17 | stew | Kernel-Kris: do you actually have zaptel hardware? |
| 19:54.19 | lunitik | abrotman: amarok, digikam, k3b ... all the killer apps are qt :/ |
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| 19:54.54 | lunitik | abrotman: well... depending on your definition of killer... openoffice and firefox can be defined as killer... as in kills your ram :/ |
| 19:54.55 | Kernel-Kris | stew: i have zaptel compatable hardware |
| 19:55.06 | abrotman | lunitik: koffice is krap :) |
| 19:55.23 | abrotman | lunitik: i don't need any of those apps .. for anything .. they're no good to me .. so i guess kde still sucks :) |
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| 19:55.28 | lunitik | abrotman: I can finish a project in kword before openoffice loads... works for me :/ |
| 19:55.29 | waiting | well koffice and ooffice .odt doesn't interact very well |
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| 19:55.41 | abrotman | lunitik: you could use vi and write it in html? :) |
| 19:55.53 | abrotman | isn't zaptel a winmodem ? |
| 19:56.10 | stew | abrotman: asterisk hardware |
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| 19:56.14 | abrotman | ah |
| 19:56.18 | lunitik | abrotman: can use kate instead... and get pretty syntax highlighting which makes it easier to read |
| 19:56.24 | abrotman | or vim? |
| 19:56.26 | Kernel-Kris | abrotman: its ISDN/FXO-FXS drivers for asterisk |
| 19:56.32 | abrotman | gotcha ... |
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| 19:56.46 | stew | i only ask becuase i believe if you try to install asterisk from upstream package it wants you to compile zaptel even if you don't have zaptel hardware |
| 19:56.54 | roxy_ | I read the manpage but still don't understand. Is securetty only about login or also about suing into root ? |
| 19:57.10 | petemc | you need zaptel for conferencing i believe |
| 19:57.12 | dj_ryan | stew: turns out its a bug in the installer lol |
| 19:57.36 | lunitik | abrotman: one of these days, I'll get you to actually try to stand KDE... customize a little more to your taste... unlike gnome, kde is meant to be customized ;) |
| 19:57.52 | Kernel-Kris | stew: where are you getting that package...lol apt-get install asterisk only give me asterisk and i need the zaptel drivers for my 2 fxo cards, but keeps complaing on all versions of zaptel |
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| 19:58.15 | stew | Kernel-Kris: what version of debian? |
| 19:58.29 | lunitik | roxy_: I'm just annoying him... not really trying to start a channel wide flame :$ |
| 19:58.38 | Kernel-Kris | sarge 3.1 kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 20:00.01 | stew | Kernel-Kris: there is a zaptel-source package, you should be able to apt-get install module-assistant build-essential ; then "m-a a-i prepare ; m-a a-i zaptel", if you need somehting newer than what is in sarge, backports.org has newer askterisk and zaptel-source packages, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 20:00.27 | abrotman | lunitik: i've tried it many times over the years |
| 20:00.32 | lunitik | roxy_: he likes gnome ... thats fine... qt4 allows qt apps to use glib and fit in fine in a Gnome desktop... whatever floats his boat |
| 20:00.56 | lunitik | abrotman: you've installed it, and used it... you haven't tried to customize imo |
| 20:01.15 | lunitik | abrotman: as a kde "fanboy", I'd even tell you the defaults suck |
| 20:01.40 | stew | no self respecting fanboy would use defaults |
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| 20:02.10 | roxy_ | the securing debian book says: If you wish to allow only local console access then you need console, ttyX[14] and vc/X, and I only have this set in my /etc/securetty, but I can't login as root. |
| 20:02.10 | abrotman | lunitik: yes .. i did |
| 20:02.12 | dj_ryan | lunitik, i stopped using linux for my desktop because of gnome and kde |
| 20:02.28 | abrotman | lunitik: but thank you for assuming what i did and did not do .. have a nice day |
| 20:02.29 | Kernel-Kris | stew: what is the a-i in the commands? |
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| 20:02.52 | linux_manju | . |
| 20:02.59 | roxy_ | dj_ryan: what do you use ? hurd, free, net ? |
| 20:03.04 | stew | Kernel-Kris: "auto-install" it will fetch the zaptel-source package, the headers for your kernel, compile a zaptel-modules.deb for your kenrel, then install it |
| 20:03.23 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... I don't understand how you can customize, and still not like the result... you can do anything you'd want pretty much with kde |
| 20:03.30 | stew | !start a ion3 is the best war |
| 20:03.35 | dj_ryan | roxy_, os x |
| 20:03.42 | lunitik | abrotman: sorry for assuming, I just don't understand |
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| 20:04.21 | roxy_ | dj_ryan: my gf got one, I just get so annoyed with this 1 button mouse :-) |
| 20:04.33 | lunitik | roxy_: wait, I thought you were a female? |
| 20:04.38 | dj_ryan | roxy_, i have a powerbook and imac, and im an uber-compute ruser. |
| 20:04.48 | dj_ryan | the one button mouse is not a big deal really. |
| 20:04.54 | dj_ryan | the UI is designed to mostly normally need it. |
| 20:04.55 | roxy_ | lunitik: you're gonna stop talking to me ? |
| 20:04.56 | lunitik | roxy_: you're using linux... go buy a cheap real mouse... |
| 20:05.01 | dj_ryan | but for wow i have my 5 button mouse here. |
| 20:05.07 | stew | Kernel-Kris: /msg aptitude module-assistant ; /msg aptitude m-a me zaptel |
| 20:05.26 | lunitik | roxy_: haha... no... |
| 20:06.32 | lunitik | Windows can't use Airports for instance... x86 Linux can though :D |
| 20:06.40 | roxy_ | so su is not considered as login ? |
| 20:06.54 | stew | roxy_: no, but "su -" is |
| 20:06.59 | buu | Hrm. New questions. |
| 20:07.00 | lunitik | roxy_: you should use "su -" ... then you get roots environment... |
| 20:07.15 | lunitik | roxy_: I'd suggest looking at sudo though... makes things much less annoying imo |
| 20:07.17 | buu | I have 10 sata drives plugged in, but only 9 of them show up as /dev/sda-i |
| 20:07.23 | buu | I don't see anything in dmesg or anything |
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| 20:07.56 | abrotman | lunitik: it SUCKS .. it's not hard to understand |
| 20:08.00 | roxy_ | stew: rephrased : If I ssh into my box and then su - , is it (in the security documentation) considered as remote login ? |
| 20:08.09 | buu | ata10: no device found (phy stat 000000000) |
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| 20:08.48 | lunitik | roxy_: can even set up something like "%wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" ... never have to type more passwords after initial login :D |
| 20:08.56 | roxy_ | lunitik: I am not trying to solve a problem, just try to understand chapter 4.7 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
| 20:08.58 | Tallu | Whoo, updated my system. Getting some 3000fps on glxgear now :) |
| 20:09.17 | lunitik | abrotman: imo, Gnome sucks more... but thats fine :/ |
| 20:10.05 | lunitik | abrotman: at least KDE (and trolltech) is attempting to bring the two closer... Gnome devels are too set in their ways to be as aggressive with that... |
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| 20:11.39 | dhaumann | hi, does anybody know the debian sarge package name for the "ViewVC" version control viewer? |
| 20:11.55 | lunitik | abrotman: its mostly KDE devels behind Portland ... Qt work to integrate with Gnome better (see Qt 4.2 changes) ... |
| 20:12.24 | dj_ryan | see this gnome vs kde thing is preventing the linux desktop from not sucking |
| 20:12.36 | lunitik | abrotman: Gnome doesn't even follow menu specs correctly (note things like Wine menu entries being ignored...) |
| 20:12.39 | Jenkens | is there an easy way to use apt to show version differences between stable/testing repositories? |
| 20:12.45 | Jenkens | i cant seem to find documentation on it |
| 20:12.46 | dhaumann | dj_ryan: it's not really a gnome vs kde thing, it's rather a gnome users vs kde users |
| 20:12.53 | dj_ryan | dhaumann, whatever |
| 20:12.54 | dhaumann | the developers -do- have another perspective. |
| 20:12.58 | dhaumann | true, whatever ;) |
| 20:13.03 | dj_ryan | like it sucks. |
| 20:13.06 | stew | Jenkens: http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 20:13.14 | dj_ryan | back in 2002 when i bought a powerbook i was still using netscape 4.x for my mail |
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| 20:13.21 | Tallu | Ok this is disturbing. all I'm running is irssi and ethstatus says I'm using 30kb/s and chkrootkit says I have a sniffer on eth0.. even though I just reinstalled the whole system |
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| 20:13.41 | Tallu | What should I do? |
| 20:13.49 | dj_ryan | Tallu install again |
| 20:13.51 | dj_ryan | :-) |
| 20:14.04 | dj_ryan | i assume its probably a network audit program, no? |
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| 20:14.16 | lunitik | abrotman: KDE devels made it possible to use KDE libs and Qt libs with GTK+ ... ignored because it wasn't created in the gnome space... now they're going the other way... allowing KDE apps to use Glib etc... |
| 20:14.18 | stew | Tallu: use iptraf + netstat to try to determin where the traffic is going |
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| 20:14.39 | Tallu | stew: installing iptraf now |
| 20:15.01 | stew | Tallu: "port sniffer" like just means that your interface is in PROMISC mode meaning someone could sniff, not necessarily that someone is sniffing |
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| 20:15.19 | lunitik | abrotman: KDE does things because people want it... Gnome does things because their bosses tell them to.... |
| 20:15.23 | dj_ryan | lunitik, ah yes the much vaunted 'not made here' syndrome |
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| 20:15.31 | stew | yay for the return of the bots |
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| 20:15.33 | lunitik | dj_ryan: yup |
| 20:15.36 | Tallu | Well, the amount of outgoing packets seems somewhat huge. 36kbit per second, just for one ssh screen and irssi |
| 20:15.37 | dj_ryan | lunitik, who is 'their bosses' for gnome? |
| 20:15.49 | Tallu | incoming is only 4kbit per sec |
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| 20:16.16 | dj_ryan | Tallu, netstat will tell you what open sockets there are |
| 20:16.21 | dj_ryan | which could be passing traffic |
| 20:16.22 | lunitik | dj_ryan: Gnome Foundation members mostly... the people that the Gnome devels work for... very few aren't being paid afaik |
| 20:16.24 | Tallu | dj_ryan: ok checking that now |
| 20:16.34 | dj_ryan | lunitik, hrm. |
| 20:16.46 | dj_ryan | gnome seemed obsessed with technical purity over integrated usefulness to me. |
| 20:16.53 | dj_ryan | but like i said, i was tired of using netcape 4.x for my mail |
| 20:17.15 | dj_ryan | i didnt want to venture into procmail-land, and i was SICK and tired of rebuilding from CVS the entire set of libs that evolution required. |
| 20:17.22 | dj_ryan | i use mail.app now, nice mail app btw. |
| 20:17.31 | lunitik | dj_ryan: if they're so crazy about technical purity... explain the abomination that is Evolution ;) |
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| 20:17.48 | dj_ryan | lunitik, heh, so maybe they've been on LSD for 4 years? |
| 20:17.49 | stew | &wb dpkg |
| 20:17.49 | aptitude | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
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| 20:18.03 | roxy_ | how(or where) is root login disable in a standard debian ? |
| 20:18.11 | stew | roxy_: via ssh? |
| 20:18.13 | Tallu | Ok this is weird, its actually claiming everything is going through that one ssh terminal |
| 20:18.19 | dhaumann | you have to look closely who developed evolution. |
| 20:18.28 | dhaumann | ;) |
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| 20:19.44 | roxy_ | stew: no. when I start debian, I got a kde login screen. I can't login as root into it. According to /etc/securetty and /etc/pam.d/login I should be able to do it. |
| 20:19.45 | lunitik | abrotman: I only go on about it because you keep disrespecting KDE, it doesn't suck, its just not for you... just like Gnome isn't for me... choice is great... debates are fun, so long as they don't get personal |
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| 20:20.32 | Jenkens | is there an easy way to use apt to show version differences between stable/testing repositories? just thought i'd try once more |
| 20:20.34 | Kernel-Kris | stew: i get this error /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make: No such file or directory #make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make'. Stop. |
| 20:20.35 | abrotman | lunitik: sucks for me .. end of discussion |
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| 20:20.44 | Jenkens | say i wanted to upgrade vim |
| 20:20.45 | abrotman | and it didn't get personal |
| 20:20.50 | lunitik | abrotman: s/sucks/isn't/ |
| 20:21.09 | Kernel-Kris | stew: i guess it would help if i installed dpatch |
| 20:21.10 | stew | Kernel-Kris: are you using the stable zaptel-source pacaakge? |
| 20:21.18 | stew | Kernel-Kris: it should have been done automatically for you |
| 20:21.29 | lunitik | abrotman: it not getting personal is why continued... but you're not responding, so I need to shut up |
| 20:21.58 | Jenkens | hrm i guess showpkg does. |
| 20:22.18 | stew | Jenkens: if you are running stable, you don't want to install a tesitng package, use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:22.23 | beardy | They're both overbloat so shut up both of you. |
| 20:22.27 | beardy | !start a wm war |
| 20:22.27 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
| 20:22.32 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. i'm at work .. i actually have to work sometimes :) |
| 20:22.41 | lunitik | abrotman: maybe KDE4 will suite you better.... perhaps not.... so long as your system does what you want, thats fine... should respect others choices though |
| 20:22.57 | Kernel-Kris | stew: yes im using the sarge source... and it still give me that error about no file or directory while compiling |
| 20:23.04 | abrotman | lunitik: i do .. i said it sucks for me .. end of discussion |
| 20:23.27 | Jenkens | ahh, i think i answered it myself.. sort of |
| 20:23.29 | stew | Kernel-Kris: you have the dpatch pacakge installed? |
| 20:23.55 | stew | &locate /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make stable |
| 20:23.56 | aptitude | /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make: ftp://127.0.0.1/upload/stable.exe and also ftp://warez.dal.net/operwarez/stable.exe |
| 20:23.59 | Kernel-Kris | stew: i do know and it makes it to builing the modules then half way through the mods it fails |
| 20:24.09 | stew | &find /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make stable |
| 20:24.12 | Jenkens | stew: well i was more specifically using testing, and wanting to update a few packages to 'unstable' |
| 20:24.26 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't like negative statements... using "sucks" is negative... many people have put in lots of time for KDE, without payment - unlike Gnome... shouldn't say such things.... just say its not for you, or you don't like it.... "sucks" is harsh |
| 20:24.36 | stew | Jenkens: /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix ; then use apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 20:24.48 | beardy | lunitik: unlike Gnome, now you are just ignorant. |
| 20:24.54 | beardy | drop it |
| 20:24.58 | stew | Kernel-Kris: try apt-get install dpatch, and try again |
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| 20:25.10 | Jenkens | stew: alright, i figured policy was the way to go |
| 20:25.31 | stew | Jenkens: (or http://pacakges.debian.org/vim) |
| 20:25.43 | lunitik | beardy: more than half of Gnome active devels are paid ... a small percentage of KDE devels are paid |
| 20:26.04 | stew | !splashy =~ s/experimental/unstable/ |
| 20:26.05 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 20:26.11 | buu | Anyone have an idea how I could find my 10th disk? It isn't showing up as attached but there's nothing useful in dmesg |
| 20:26.20 | beardy | lunitik: That has nothing to do with somethings goodness. |
| 20:26.21 | Jenkens | stew: alright, well i think i found that apt-get -s -t unstable upgrade | less also shows what could be upgraded.. instead of picking and plucking for specifics.. if I'm looking for something a bit more global... |
| 20:26.23 | stew | buu: do you have udev installed? |
| 20:26.27 | lunitik | beardy: something like 65% compared to around 15% ... there is certainly far more money being pumped into Gnome |
| 20:26.36 | buu | stew: Apparently, yes |
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| 20:26.49 | N0S3 | stew: hello |
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| 20:26.52 | Jenkens | so i guess i had it 95% done already, alright. |
| 20:27.00 | stew | Jenkens: perhaps the aptitude frontend might help? |
| 20:27.02 | abrotman | lunitik: just fucking drop it |
| 20:27.11 | Jenkens | stew: good call, too :) |
| 20:27.12 | lunitik | beardy: I didn't say that... I meant that they deserve more credit is all |
| 20:27.17 | Jenkens | man i need to come in here more and pick brains |
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| 20:27.37 | beardy | lunitik: Sure, Novell and other parasites I guess. It still doesn't improve something. Look at the popular operating system, everyone is paid, and it's the worst crap we've seen. |
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| 20:27.40 | dj_ryan | Jenkens better off picking noses it seems. |
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| 20:27.52 | Deepa | i got iptables |
| 20:28.06 | petemc | get to the doctor, quick! |
| 20:28.13 | Deepa | and i want it so that when someone connects to the computer 192.168.0.4 on port 27015 it gets redirected to 192.168.1.2 on port 27015 |
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| 20:28.26 | stew | buu: you might have to go digging around in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 20:28.27 | buu | stew: So what do I do with udev? |
| 20:28.29 | buu | Er |
| 20:28.43 | lunitik | beardy: you're harping on a small point ... nothing wrong with programmers making money at all... just... its hard to compete with something thats so well backed financially... |
| 20:28.57 | stew | everyone just move on please |
| 20:29.00 | buu | stew: It was working before the box crashed =] |
| 20:29.12 | lunitik | beardy: Microsoft is popular because of the money behind it, not the technical merit... imo, its similar for Gnome... but thats all I have to say on that |
| 20:29.33 | stew | lunitik: please, this is really going nowhere bug off-topic now |
| 20:29.38 | stew | ^bug^but |
| 20:29.41 | beardy | lunitik: Ok, let's let that be the end of this discussion. |
| 20:30.01 | b_52Free | is there any one who use spe editor under debian ? |
| 20:30.20 | lunitik | stew: I suck at leaving things alone when people reply to me, sorry.... was supposed to be just fun with abrotman, but turned into what I didn't want :( |
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| 20:30.33 | lunitik | beardy: deal |
| 20:30.57 | petemc | Deepa: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 27015 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2 |
| 20:31.15 | bgat | sysadmin-like question. I have some environment variables that need to be set for some of my daemons to function properly. where do I define them? |
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| 20:31.27 | lokkju_wrk | is there any pre compiled 2.6.14+ kernel images for debian sarge? I am running 2.6.8 right now, and really need 2.6.14+ for the ip_pptp_nat kernel module |
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| 20:31.49 | beardy | bgat: Which daemons? |
| 20:31.50 | lokkju_wrk | (no, I *don't* want to compile my own kernel) |
| 20:31.57 | Kernel-Kris | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3267. |
| 20:32.06 | buu | stew: I don't see anything in there that would apply to to just sdk |
| 20:32.16 | Tallu | lokkju_wrk: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 20:32.37 | bgat | beardy: actually, it's a program of my own that I want to put in a respawn in inittab. |
| 20:33.13 | lokkju_wrk | Tallu, k, reading |
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| 20:33.22 | Deepa | petemc: ty |
| 20:33.25 | beardy | bgat: Then perhaps the line 'VARIABLE=foo myspawnedprogram' will work in inittab. |
| 20:33.25 | stew | Kernel-Kris: does usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686-smp exist? that is an outdated kerel version |
| 20:33.55 | stew | buu: yes there will be sd* rules |
| 20:33.56 | CovWork | bgat: may need to wrap it in a shell script and then exec your daemon |
| 20:34.01 | Tallu | lokkju_wrk: I think that might be what you're looking for, atleast:) |
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| 20:34.07 | buu | stew: grep sd matches nothing =] |
| 20:34.16 | lokkju_wrk | Tallu, so far, looks good |
| 20:34.17 | stew | buu: what version of udev are you running? |
| 20:34.30 | stew | buu: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:34.50 | buu | october 2003 |
| 20:34.56 | buu | stew: 2.6.15 |
| 20:35.10 | Tallu | lokkju_wrk: i think you should use 2.6.16-2-$arch instead of the linux-image-2.6.16 though, atleast thats how it worked for me |
| 20:35.16 | stew | buu: what version of udev? |
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| 20:35.24 | Tallu | I'm so bored I'm cross-scanning my computers :P |
| 20:35.28 | buu | tDunno, how do you find out? |
| 20:35.40 | stew | buu: dpkg -l udev |
| 20:35.44 | buu | Ah |
| 20:35.45 | ryan` | apparently linux can't correctly track how long a process has been running :( |
| 20:35.52 | buu | 0.056-3 |
| 20:35.57 | ryan` | ps lies :( |
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| 20:36.30 | ryan` | i run a program, and ps claims it started a minute and a hlaf in the future. |
| 20:36.32 | stew | buu: were you running an older kernel when it was working? |
| 20:36.32 | Chty | hello |
| 20:36.36 | buu | stew: No. |
| 20:36.51 | buu | stew: The box stopped responding to ping/ssh/etc, I reboot it, no 10th drive =[ |
| 20:37.10 | Yp3rite | Tallu, have you try zeppoo? |
| 20:37.30 | Chty | I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure my resolution screen and x resolution but it doesn't propose me this like on the installtion. What I can I do ? |
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| 20:38.16 | beardy | Chty: What are you trying to do? |
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| 20:39.11 | Tallu | Yp3rite: what, no |
| 20:39.16 | Chty | beardy, change my x resolution and my screen resolution |
| 20:39.22 | Tallu | Yp3rite: what's that |
| 20:39.26 | beardy | Chty: And you run xorg? |
| 20:39.26 | Yp3rite | Tallu : www.zeppoo.net |
| 20:39.40 | Chty | beardy, I haven't success when i edit xorg.conf |
| 20:39.42 | Chty | beardy, yes |
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| 20:39.53 | Kernel-Kris | stew: yes it exists, and that is the only newest kernel in apt... so i feel confortable with it |
| 20:39.55 | Chty | beardy, but it isnt the good resolution |
| 20:39.59 | Yp3rite | Tallu : it's a soft which detecting rootkit such as chkrootkit but is most powerful |
| 20:40.00 | beardy | Chty: Have you edited the config file by hand? |
| 20:40.07 | Chty | beardy, yes |
| 20:40.08 | rockstar_ | I'm having the wierdest problem in the world. When running php4 from command line, I get an awk error. |
| 20:40.16 | rockstar_ | Anyone seen this or think they can help? |
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| 20:40.22 | Chty | beardy, but it doesnt change anything |
| 20:40.33 | Tallu | Yp3rite: ahh ok, i'll give it a look. thanks :) |
| 20:40.49 | Yp3rite | Tallu, no problem :) |
| 20:40.53 | Chty | beardy, and I dont understand why it doesnt propose me to reconfigure it with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:40.56 | beardy | Chty: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 20:41.45 | beardy | Chty: It does, you should use dpkg-reconfigure to edit it. It probably does not start it when you install it, you have to run it manually after you have installed X. |
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| 20:42.22 | stew | &info kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp stable |
| 20:42.24 | Chty | beardy, but can I come back ? |
| 20:42.59 | Chty | beardy, beause at the firts time I havent edit it, and it doesnt propose to me ti reconfigure x resolution |
| 20:43.01 | beardy | !tell Chty -about xorgmd5 |
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| 20:43.07 | beardy | That was what I meant. |
| 20:43.15 | Chty | beardy, oh |
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| 20:43.58 | Chty | beardy, I m going to try |
| 20:44.02 | beardy | Chty: It should do that.. I don't run xorg, but I guess it asks you if you want to select resolution/refresh rates, the Simple, Advanced, or Expert way, something like that. |
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| 20:44.46 | beardy | Chty: That's the way xfree86 did. |
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| 20:45.31 | Chty | beardy, failed... |
| 20:46.05 | Chty | beardy, it propose me many questions but no resolutions questions :( |
| 20:46.13 | Chty | beardy, so what can I do ? |
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| 20:47.04 | beardy | Chty: I think it is in there, somewhere.. since I haven't seen it, I don't know. |
| 20:47.12 | Chty | :( |
| 20:47.14 | beardy | Chty: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:47.19 | Chty | beardy, testing |
| 20:47.44 | beardy | Chty: Is it the version of xorg that is in testing rou are running? |
| 20:47.50 | beardy | you |
| 20:48.08 | Chty | beardy, yes |
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| 20:48.31 | beardy | Chty: Ok, wait around a while, perhaps someone else knows more about your problem. |
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| 20:48.53 | Chty | beardy, if I delte xorg;con perhaps ? |
| 20:48.57 | Chty | delete* |
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| 20:49.32 | unity | is anyone here using mutella? i can't seem to connect to any hosts at all. |
| 20:50.30 | beardy | Chty: Perhaps, but have you done what dpkg told you? |
| 20:50.56 | beardy | Chty: I guess you can delete it, but make a backup copy first, in case it doesn't work. |
| 20:51.02 | Chty | beardy, yes |
| 20:51.31 | Chty | beardy, and my changes where still here |
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| 20:53.42 | Chty | beardy, in reality after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it says xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 20:53.59 | Chty | beardy, and the file is no longer present |
| 20:54.15 | Chty | beardy, so it doesn't write anything |
| 20:55.30 | beardy | Chty: Right.. You have the backup copy still? |
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| 20:56.17 | beardy | Chty: Try 'touch xorg.conf' (or what the proper name is) and do what dpkg said about updating the md5sum file, then try dpkg-reconfigure again, perhaps.. |
| 20:56.48 | Chty | beardy, ok |
| 20:56.55 | Chty | beardy, yes |
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| 20:59.22 | daniele83 | hi! I read on the manpage of vmstat that a column named 'w' should exist under the proc section of the output... that column should count the number of swapped out processes. Well, that column doesn't show up on my output :( How is it possible? |
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| 21:00.17 | netman1 | Hi All. What is the best utility to partion disks from within a script? Can't get sfdisk to work :-( |
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| 21:02.31 | dondelelcaro | netman1: sfdisk is that utility |
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| 21:02.40 | dondelelcaro | and yes, sfdisk works. |
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| 21:03.26 | netman1 | dondelelcaro: hmm, acording to the man page 'sfdisk device -O file' should produce the current layout. Can you get that to work? |
| 21:03.38 | ecliptik | I'm installing etch on a sun sparc and it boots okay, but when it hits the network configuration the keyboard goes wacky. I read that the 2.6 kernel sees every keyboard as a "pc" keyboard, but is there a way to correct this? I have a USB sun and PC keyboard I've been trying but no luck. |
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| 21:04.16 | Thelma | :) |
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| 21:04.42 | dondelelcaro | netman1: you want sfdisk -d /dev/hda |
| 21:04.58 | dondelelcaro | -O is only outputing information right before you overwrite a disk |
| 21:05.06 | ecliptik | I'm doing a netboot, and I'm using the etch beta 2 image, although when I use the image in the 2.6 dir the keyboard works fine, but it complains about not finding modules and therefore the hard drive isn't detected. |
| 21:05.34 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: are you also loading an initrd with the appropriate modules? |
| 21:06.00 | beardy | Chty: Please don't /msg me. |
| 21:06.03 | netman1 | dondelelcaro: thanks for the tip. ;-) |
| 21:06.16 | ecliptik | dondelelcaro, I'm not sure, I followed the tftp booting manual on debian.org and it loads the kernel, then switches to the installer |
| 21:07.05 | ecliptik | normally I'd use a CD, but this particular sun model has issues with loading SILO |
| 21:07.06 | Chty | beardy, sorry |
| 21:07.29 | Chty | beardy, so, have you a xorg configuration ? |
| 21:07.43 | beardy | Chty: No, I said earlier I don't run xorg. |
| 21:07.56 | Blastur | is it possible to write my entire partition to a file on another disk? with dd or something |
| 21:08.05 | beardy | Chty: If I did I probably could have answered you better what to do by now.. |
| 21:09.31 | jair | hey guys, normally by default when I am accessing one of the home directories with an user other than root I should get the message "access denied" right? or am I wrong? how can I keed all my home users private from each other? |
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| 21:12.26 | beardy | jair: By default, no. Perhaps configurable in base-config or simillar, or optionable with adduser. Manually you can remove the group and others permissions to read and/or access the users homedirectory. So, check addusers manpage for such an option. |
| 21:12.49 | Chty | beardy, okay |
| 21:12.49 | Chty | beardy, sorry |
| 21:13.13 | stew | Jdeb: "dpkg-reconfigure adduser" to change that for future users, for already existant users you will have to change the permissions of /home/* |
| 21:13.17 | stew | jair: ^^^ |
| 21:13.21 | stew | Jdeb: not you |
| 21:13.43 | beardy | I see. |
| 21:14.33 | Jdeb | I am trying to increase the screen resolution. I manually edited xorg.conf with no luck. Anyone knows what else I can do |
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| 21:16.09 | beardy | dpkg: homedir permissions is <reply> "dpkg-reconfigure adduser" to change the behavior of adduser when adding users, if you want their homedirectories to be created with permissions to _not_ let any other user read or access the homedirectory of the user. For already existing users you have to edit the permissions of /home/username, 'man chmod' to learn how. |
| 21:16.09 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
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| 21:16.42 | ecliptik | are there other files besides the .img for a netboot tftp installation? |
| 21:16.47 | jair | stew: and beardy thank you very much |
| 21:16.53 | jair | I got it |
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| 21:17.47 | jair | so basically what I needed to do is (for the existing users) chmod go-rx /home/user |
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| 21:18.22 | beardy | jair: Yes. |
| 21:18.32 | beardy | !away |
| 21:18.33 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 21:19.02 | ryanakca | is it permissible to join #debian-devel and ask the developpers question, or will it get me kicked? http://www.debian.org/vote/2001/vote_0002 |
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| 21:19.21 | jair | beardy: thank you very much for your time. |
| 21:19.33 | jair | and stew yours as well. |
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| 21:20.12 | synic | when using debuild, what script does it call to create the source package? I want to make it so it ignores '.svn' dirs |
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| 21:20.14 | beardy | ryanakca: If the channel lets you join, I see no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to ask a question. They will tell you if they don't like it. |
| 21:20.33 | beardy | jair: No problem, you're welcome. |
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| 21:22.43 | jair | beardy: super easy :) the dpkg-utility very handy :) I will add it to my list of tricks cool. |
| 21:23.05 | jair | beardy: it is a way I can check if a pci controller raid hardware is recognized by Debian sarge 3.1? |
| 21:24.07 | jair | I have a server is just in testing and I installed raid level 0 (nothing) and just check if the kernel recognize the hardware and I think the controller is build on the motherboard. |
| 21:24.16 | beardy | jair: It's not a matter of if Sarge recognizes it, but a matter of the kernel. 'lspci' or 'lspci -v' should list it. |
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| 21:25.33 | jair | ok one sec |
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| 21:27.10 | danya | hi all |
| 21:27.17 | jair | beardy: I am using debian as server right now running samba as a stand alone file share server ok. I do not have gui installed on it, but how can I select an copy on the bash shell? or in the text only command line. |
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| 21:28.00 | iswm | "gmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libggi.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" this upsets me. |
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| 21:28.08 | danya | can any1 suggest an idea how can I locate bad sectors in a harddisk ? the HD is formated, but I suspect it has hardware defects |
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| 21:28.48 | BarryAllen | hi all.. how can i rebuild a debian package (using my configure options) ? |
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| 21:29.32 | beardy | jair: You use the program cp(1), 'man cp' or 'info cp'. 'cp somefile /somewhere/else' that uses the originalfiles filename, 'cp somefile newname' gives the copy a new name. |
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| 21:30.09 | beardy | 'cp somefile /somewhere/else/' makes more sense |
| 21:32.20 | beardy | !tell jair -about reference |
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| 21:34.18 | beardy | BarryAllen: /msg dpkg nm guide |
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| 21:35.09 | BarryAllen | beardy, tks |
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| 21:36.47 | abrotman | beardy: eh? |
| 21:36.49 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 21:36.49 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 21:36.54 | abrotman | !tell BarryAllen about source |
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| 21:37.29 | beardy | jair: Read 4.3.2 Basic Unix commands in the Debian Reference |
| 21:37.31 | BarryAllen | im not sure about that... but slapd (etch) seems builded without aci |
| 21:37.34 | Blastur | !tell me about the source |
| 21:37.45 | beardy | Blastur: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 21:37.46 | Blastur | !tell me about source |
| 21:37.58 | BarryAllen | !tell me about source |
| 21:38.03 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 21:38.03 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
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| 21:38.29 | beardy | abrotman: hmm, call it.. bad luck.. |
| 21:38.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:38.47 | abrotman | BarryAllen: acl ? |
| 21:39.12 | BarryAllen | no no ACI |
| 21:39.12 | beardy | BarryAllen: What abrotman had dpkg tell you is what you should follow. |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | BarryAllen: look in another window .. dpkg told you something |
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| 21:41.17 | mrec_ | there's a command for switching the terminal .. does anyone remember the name of it? |
| 21:41.23 | mrec_ | setvt or something like that? |
| 21:41.48 | lokkju_wrk | is there any way, with grub, to tell it to reboot, and boot with kernel "x", but to still have kernel "y" be default for all other reboots? |
| 21:42.05 | abrotman | mrec_: chvt |
| 21:42.11 | lokkju_wrk | (not choosing a kernel at the screen - choosing one before shutting down) |
| 21:42.16 | mrec_ | abrotman: right thanks! |
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| 21:49.15 | lokkju_wrk | nm, grub-reboot |
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| 21:52.41 | Spec | how come this makes no sense? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libapache2-mod-jk&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 21:53.23 | Spec | *-mod-jk is in testing/unstable, but *-mod-jk2 is only in stable and unstable |
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| 21:54.41 | streuner | Spec: /msg aptitude why is libapache2-mod-jk2 not in testing |
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| 21:56.47 | MannieX | hi folk |
| 21:57.20 | seek | OMG. #ubuntu gives me a headache. |
| 21:57.21 | Spec | streuner: what i really want to know is why libapache2-mod-jk is not in stable |
| 21:57.33 | MannieX | one question ... which ip is possible to have in private net ? |
| 21:57.43 | MannieX | like 192.168.0.0 |
| 21:58.20 | MannieX | there is one with 17.... but i don't remember |
| 21:58.27 | Ronin | 192.168, 10. 127 also |
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| 21:58.37 | seeds | 172 |
| 21:58.39 | MannieX | 127 ? |
| 21:58.41 | MannieX | ah |
| 21:58.44 | MannieX | 172 |
| 21:58.44 | Ronin | oops |
| 21:58.51 | Ronin | bloody fingers |
| 21:59.04 | MannieX | ok, and for netmask? |
| 21:59.05 | seek | I can't get any help from #ubuntu. Does anyone know why my GeForce 7300 GS blots out parts of webpages and menus? Then if I move the mouse over the parts of menus the icons come back. |
| 21:59.09 | streuner | Spec: my guess is java... |
| 21:59.10 | JordiGH | There aren't any philosophical objections to Gnash becoming a Debian package, are there? I take it that no maintainers have volunteered yet. |
| 21:59.15 | Ronin | MannieX: perhaps google for subnetting information? |
| 21:59.16 | MannieX | i can make 172.0 |
| 21:59.22 | seek | I'm using the nvidia kernel modules |
| 21:59.32 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:59.46 | Spec | streuner: but libapache2-mod-jk2 is in stable, and libapach2-mod-jk is not...it just makes no sense |
| 21:59.50 | MannieX | Ronin: mmmmmmmmm |
| 21:59.57 | JordiGH | seek: That's definitely a driver problem, and I don't know if Ubuntu uses the same free drivers as Debian does. |
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| 22:00.29 | streuner | Spec: anyway, did you look at bpo? |
| 22:00.30 | JordiGH | seek: I don't know if the nvidia one-liner will work with Ubuntu either, but since you seem willing to ask, try it, and may Tux be with you. |
| 22:00.35 | Spec | bpo? |
| 22:00.44 | streuner | @bpo |
| 22:00.53 | MannieX | 172.16.0.0 with this one, which netmask i must make ? |
| 22:00.56 | streuner | aptitude, bpo |
| 22:00.56 | aptitude | backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/instructions.html on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 22:01.08 | HuK0B | I have problem with ftp and cyrillic when I upload some cyr file or dir it make some things like to upload files not in dir give me some strange errors |
| 22:01.10 | MannieX | 255.255.255.0 is ok ? |
| 22:01.14 | JordiGH | Hey, we got a new bot? Since when? |
| 22:01.16 | JordiGH | aptitude: Hello! |
| 22:01.17 | aptitude | Hi, jordigh! |
| 22:01.21 | HuK0B | and this is on 2 diffrend ftp proftpd and vsftpd |
| 22:01.23 | Ronin | JordiGH: dpg is taking a nap right now |
| 22:01.49 | streuner | JordiGH: just use the other bots (aptitude, apt, ravenbird) |
| 22:02.03 | HuK0B | what can be the problem??? and how I can fix it is it possible problem with cyr to become from fs or kernel? |
| 22:02.06 | seek | JordiGH: How do I apt-get the latest nvidia driver? |
| 22:02.09 | Spec | oh, bpo = backports |
| 22:02.18 | seek | I'm not sure if the one I have installed is the latest |
| 22:03.13 | JordiGH | seek: Bear in mind that everything we say might not work, but in Debian, you have a choice of using free or non-free nvidia drivers. Which ones are you using? Also, if you're willing to mix Debian and Ubuntu packages, follow the one-liner. |
| 22:03.22 | streuner | Spec: yes, try /msg aptitude simple sid backport |
| 22:03.26 | streuner | Spec: too |
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| 22:03.58 | Spec | naa, i don't wanna backport, i'm just gonna learn to configure mod-jk2, it can't be too hard, but i'm still confused as to why |
| 22:04.01 | JordiGH | Are Debian's non-free packages in Ubuntu's multiverse? I have no idea. I do know that the multiverse is sometimes missing a few Debian packages, or lags behind Debian. |
| 22:04.04 | seek | JordiGH: Okay, I'm trying the one liner and modules-assistant doesn't seem to exist. :( |
| 22:04.20 | JordiGH | seek: I'm out of ideas, then. Sorry. :-/ |
| 22:04.24 | blunted | anybody know of a program or tool i can use to seperate a large list of proxys by ports? |
| 22:04.26 | seek | ok, np |
| 22:04.31 | seek | I'll figure it out |
| 22:04.31 | seek | :) |
| 22:04.59 | ice_1963 | 1 |
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| 22:05.05 | JordiGH | So, I forgot why I came here. Status of Gnash in Debian, anyone know? |
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| 22:05.39 | JordiGH | Oh, it's in experimental. Hopefully it'll seep down to unstable soon. |
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| 22:07.49 | seek | Does anyone know how to get modules-assistant to install on Ubuntu? |
| 22:08.01 | streuner | seek: #ubuntu |
| 22:08.20 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 22:08.39 | JordiGH | seek: There's probably a different Ubuntu way. |
| 22:08.58 | JordiGH | seek: I.e. one completely unrelated to our one-liner. |
| 22:09.04 | ice_1963 | use synaptic for that |
| 22:09.17 | DustyDingo | hm, i have a centrino core duo processor, does anyone know which processor type i should select in kernel config? |
| 22:10.36 | streuner | DustyDingo: laptop? |
| 22:11.04 | itchi | Where need we define the bac kground image or the apps we want automatically load? Running Fluxbox, it's not that .xsession file but that other, i no more remeber |
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| 22:11.36 | streuner | itchi: ~/.xsession |
| 22:11.44 | JordiGH | itchi: .Xauthority? |
| 22:11.49 | streuner | nah |
| 22:12.18 | JordiGH | Yeah, that's a binary file. Never mind. :P |
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| 22:13.27 | itchi | streuner & JordiGH : It's not these 2, i have define that in another file it's looks, also not in the ~/fluxbox/startup |
| 22:14.09 | j2^ | DustyDingo: i686 with SMP seem about right. |
| 22:14.21 | JordiGH | j2^: What's SMP? |
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| 22:14.28 | streuner | itchi: ~/.xsession you could use that file of course, but fluxbox.sf.net has a nice FAQ ;-) |
| 22:14.39 | j2^ | JordiGH: Symmetrical Multi Processing. |
| 22:14.39 | JordiGH | symemetric multiprocessor. Never mind. |
| 22:15.26 | streuner | itchi: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/chap-bg.html |
| 22:15.38 | itchi | streuner: Yeah, that faq i know of that faq lol |
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| 22:16.24 | itchi | streuner: I had define that on an other place, before it was running Stable |
| 22:16.38 | JordiGH | Alrighty, I'm willing to convert momentarily to the Xfce faith... what should I apt-get? |
| 22:16.39 | streuner | .xsession is fine |
| 22:16.57 | JordiGH | xfce4? |
| 22:17.06 | pmorrison | hello everyone.... I just tried to open a folder of pictures and videos on a vfat partition. The folder wasn't there, and instead all the files were in the root of the partition with names like fsck00x.rec I'm a bit of a noob, could anyone tell me how this happened and how I can restore? |
| 22:17.21 | itchi | streuner: So now the right one way is in that .xsession then? Before it was in another i think?? |
| 22:18.02 | JordiGH | pmorrison: That's strange. Did you run fsck on that drive? Probably not relevant, but what it is it, a camera memory stick? |
| 22:18.03 | streuner | itchi: as long as you don't have a theme background it should work... |
| 22:18.33 | itchi | streuner: I think that that is the trouble ;-) |
| 22:19.13 | streuner | so why you don't read the URL above? |
| 22:19.25 | streuner | itchi: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/chap-bg.html |
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| 22:19.54 | pmorrison | JordiGH: It's a partition on my HD I use for sharing files with my XP partition... I didn't run fsck myself.... so they must be recoverd files from a disk check then? I can open the files up no problem in Ubuntu.... do you think I should just rename the files? |
| 22:20.53 | JordiGH | pmorrison: Ubuntu? We don't serve your kind here. ;-) |
| 22:21.02 | JordiGH | pmorrison: Can you view the files with another operating system? |
| 22:21.44 | pmorrison | JordiGH: I new I shouldn't have brought Ubuntu into the question... I will reboot with XP and see if they open... doubtful though. (Don't shoot me because I said XP!) |
| 22:22.00 | itchi | streuner: Because i have already read it, i know about it, also about the fluxbox startup, but like you told the other one also, i think i need to define it 2 times. Like some time i switch to an other environment. And that is it flux have his own method of that of the gnome for example |
| 22:22.14 | JordiGH | What's wrong with XP? I'm an avid D&D fan myself, always eager to acquire more XP. |
| 22:22.42 | itchi | streuner: Yeah it's been in that .xsession ;-) Thanks guys |
| 22:22.53 | pmorrison | JordiGH: Ha Ha... Have you ever seen .rec files before? |
| 22:23.40 | JordiGH | pmorrison: And don't take our Ubuntu phobia so harshly... It's a fine operating sytstem, but it's just that it doesn't have the same problems Debian has. Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. |
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| 22:25.33 | BarryAllen | list ox |
| 22:25.36 | BarryAllen | ops, sorry |
| 22:25.40 | pmorrison | JordiGH: I'm a noob, but I realise the difference between distro's, and using the correct IRC room... I didn't think my problem was really distro specific though, more just a noob question. |
| 22:26.32 | JordiGH | pmorrison: It probably isn't, but it does sound like fsck was run on that partition. Go double-check. |
| 22:27.09 | pmorrison | JordiGH: I don't really know what fsck is, does it keep a log, and where? |
| 22:28.09 | simonrvn | !fsck |
| 22:28.09 | dpkg | fsck is, like, a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 22:28.19 | JordiGH | pmorrison: File-system check. Scandisk, if you will. Log? In a *nix-like drive, it usually places stuff it's found in /lost+found. |
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| 22:29.32 | JordiGH | Y'know, there probably are logs that detail when was the last time fsck was run and on what. Let me go check. |
| 22:29.56 | simonrvn | no, you need to read the paritition meta-data |
| 22:30.02 | simonrvn | partition* |
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| 22:30.28 | simonrvn | it's in e2fsprogs... |
| 22:30.30 | JordiGH | simonrvn: You just saved me a grep through /var/log |
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| 22:30.47 | stew | no, dosfsprogs |
| 22:30.49 | JordiGH | simonrvn: fsck may have been run on a vfat partition. |
| 22:30.53 | stew | err dosfstools |
| 22:30.56 | simonrvn | oh, ick |
| 22:30.59 | stew | yeah |
| 22:32.17 | simonrvn | well, for ext2/3 it'd be in dumpe2fs or debugfs (i think the latter) |
| 22:32.21 | JordiGH | Ooh, xfce is nice. I feel like such a tourist. |
| 22:32.49 | pmorrison | So has anyone come up with a consensus? My guess is that I restarted the computer during the middle of an Ubuntu boot or something, and the next Ubuntu (Gasp) boot ran dosfsck on my vfat drive, somehow screwing withing my files??? |
| 22:33.14 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 22:33.19 | infernix | !ubuntu |
| 22:33.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is "<reply>Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 22:33.29 | Shadowcat | how can you boot a drive two times simultaneously? |
| 22:33.35 | Shadowcat | there's no logic in that statement |
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| 22:33.58 | stew | !ubuntu =~ s/"// |
| 22:33.58 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 22:34.03 | pmorrison | infernix: We've discussed ubuntu already... that's why I gasped |
| 22:34.05 | fasta | How can I see the maximum number of open connections? |
| 22:34.17 | Shadowcat | maximum? |
| 22:34.17 | pmorrison | does anyone here stick to just pure debian? |
| 22:34.19 | simonrvn | sorry, the former |
| 22:34.20 | stew | pmorrison: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 22:34.21 | Shadowcat | is there even a number? |
| 22:34.28 | stew | pmorrison: yes |
| 22:34.34 | Shadowcat | pmorrison: around 99% of us |
| 22:34.34 | fasta | pmorrison: Probably a lot of people |
| 22:34.42 | infernix | 99.995% |
| 22:34.51 | simonrvn | um, all or most of the people in here? |
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| 22:35.01 | JordiGH | I was trying to be nice making consession towards the Ubuntu newbie, but perhaps this was a mistake. |
| 22:35.08 | pmorrison | No one else plays with different distros on multiple partitions? That's my circumstance |
| 22:35.19 | stew | JordiGH: you are welcome to help him in #ubuntu |
| 22:35.29 | Shadowcat | pmorrison: I dual boot gentoo and debian, but that still doesn't make your statement logical |
| 22:35.30 | fasta | pmorrison: They are all Linux. What's the point? |
| 22:35.31 | pmorrison | ha |
| 22:35.45 | fasta | pmorrison: Another kernel, well, that would be something. |
| 22:35.53 | Shadowcat | you can't boot a drive with two oses simultaneously on the same computer |
| 22:36.00 | infernix | the point is that this channel is for Debian GNU/Linux. None other. so technically its off topic and its preferred to stick to the channel subject |
| 22:36.02 | JordiGH | Shadowcat: A boot was interrupted, apparently. During reboot, a fsck ran. |
| 22:36.05 | simonrvn | natively anyway |
| 22:36.10 | pmorrison | Well, I assumed my problem was not related to a specific distro. Thats my point |
| 22:36.18 | Shadowcat | JordiGH: then he screwed up his partition |
| 22:36.20 | Shadowcat | period |
| 22:36.20 | fasta | pmorrison: That doesn't matter |
| 22:36.26 | stew | pmorrison: your question might not be distro specific but this channel is |
| 22:36.26 | Shadowcat | he shouldn't have been running vfat |
| 22:36.29 | fasta | pmorrison: Here people talk about Debian |
| 22:36.34 | Shadowcat | actually that's the reason you SHOULDN'T run vfat |
| 22:36.43 | fasta | pmorrison: It's annoying to hear that, but that's how it is. |
| 22:36.45 | stoned | fat is never good |
| 22:36.48 | Shadowcat | and the reason people invented journaled file systems |
| 22:36.51 | stoned | its unhealthy |
| 22:36.55 | stew | Shadowcat: he's using it to share data with a windows install, for which vfat is a good filesystem |
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| 22:36.56 | JordiGH | Shadowcat: I'd like to format my usb pendrive with ext2, and in fact, I did, for a moment, but then no other computer but mine could read it. :-/ |
| 22:37.14 | Shadowcat | stew: no it's not |
| 22:37.14 | Shadowcat | then you use ntfs |
| 22:37.17 | pmorrison | Shadowcat, the reason I run vfat, is to share files with my work's NTFS XP |
| 22:37.27 | simonrvn | ntfs still isn't very safe in linux... |
| 22:37.30 | stew | Shadowcat: its not safe to write to ntfs from linux |
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| 22:37.36 | fasta | How can I see the maximum number of open connections? |
| 22:37.37 | Shadowcat | stew: yes it is |
| 22:37.42 | pmorrison | exactly |
| 22:37.44 | Shadowcat | fasta: there's no such thing |
| 22:37.51 | simonrvn | uh, what? |
| 22:37.55 | infernix | pmorrison: once a file check has ran and has assigned the filexxxx.blabla files, there's no way back. possibly something went wrong with writing the fat table |
| 22:37.58 | JordiGH | stew: you can use Explore2fs to read ext2 partitions from elsewhere. |
| 22:38.07 | Shadowcat | obviously I'm NOT referring to the built in kernel ntfs read module |
| 22:38.08 | fasta | Shadowcat: you mean that I can connect to millions of computers at the same time? |
| 22:38.16 | Shadowcat | fasta: DUH |
| 22:38.21 | stoned | well, there is also a device driver in linux which mounts reiserfs drives natively |
| 22:38.22 | stew | JordiGH: yes, a friend of mine ended up with a partition full of zero length files using explore2fs |
| 22:38.27 | simonrvn | Shadowcat: *bzzt* |
| 22:38.30 | fasta | Shadowcat: Ok, well, I am sure there was a limit someday.... |
| 22:38.35 | simonrvn | there is |
| 22:38.36 | stew | Shadowcat: there is a connection limit |
| 22:38.42 | JordiGH | stew: Wait, explore2fs writes too? I thought it only read. |
| 22:38.48 | stoned | er.. |
| 22:38.50 | fasta | Shadowcat: Thanks for your great advice.... |
| 22:38.54 | stoned | I meant, device driver in windows xp |
| 22:38.56 | Shadowcat | stew: on half open stuff yes |
| 22:39.01 | Shadowcat | you can maintain as many open ones as you want |
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| 22:39.07 | simonrvn | no you can't |
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| 22:39.22 | Shadowcat | well, I should have included within the limitation of your ip stack architecture |
| 22:39.31 | Shadowcat | which is somewhere in the millions |
| 22:39.39 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:39.42 | pmorrison | So since there is no channel called. #what_the_hell_is_a_.rec_file_for_linux_newbees_who_have_recently_become_an_outcast_from_that_debian_irc_room, could anyone help me? |
| 22:39.45 | fasta | Ok, so it's in the order of millions. |
| 22:39.50 | stew | no it isn't |
| 22:39.59 | infernix | pmorrison: i answered you. you just have to accept the answer. |
| 22:40.00 | fasta | Can do, can not, make up your mind. |
| 22:40.04 | stoned | pmorrison, google. search for file extentions |
| 22:40.09 | Shadowcat | stew: got a number? |
| 22:40.17 | simonrvn | shadowcat is giving you false info |
| 22:40.28 | JordiGH | pmorrison: #ubuntu |
| 22:40.29 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: then dig up a number |
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| 22:40.38 | Platyna | Hello. |
| 22:40.42 | stoned | pmorrison, there are sites that hold information on all known file types and file extentions |
| 22:40.52 | pmorrison | infenix: Thanks, it took me a long time to write that last line and I missed your post |
| 22:41.00 | Shadowcat | I know there's an int/long/float/double/whatever in the kernel code that defines it |
| 22:41.02 | Platyna | Does anyone is using Apache on Debian stable? |
| 22:41.11 | Platyna | I need someone who will check something for me. |
| 22:41.17 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:41.22 | stoned | Platyna, look above |
| 22:41.32 | infernix | pmorrison: if the fsck didnt run you could run stuff like ontrack but once fsck has been ran, both fat tables have been written and thats just it. |
| 22:41.41 | JordiGH | dpkg, I'm in love with you. |
| 22:41.42 | ice_1963 | Shadowcat,what are you useing for a Desktop or are you useing one? |
| 22:41.56 | Platyna | stoned: Yes, and? |
| 22:41.58 | JordiGH | Awww... cold shoulder. :-( |
| 22:42.01 | Shadowcat | fasta: basically for all intents and purposes, unless you intend on connecting to half the ipv6 computers in the world ,you should be fine |
| 22:42.26 | Platyna | I need someone to check if his/her Apache allows to download files larger than 2 GB. |
| 22:42.32 | Platyna | Because I have some unusual problem. |
| 22:42.35 | stoned | Platyna, no one here uses apache on debian. not even the people who use it. Do you have a question? if so, then just fucking ask it :) |
| 22:42.39 | fasta | Shadowcat: but there's nothing in /proc/ip* that shows me that information? |
| 22:43.07 | Shadowcat | fasta: read the kernel source |
| 22:43.15 | Shadowcat | that's one place I'm sure it's in |
| 22:43.21 | pmorrison | Thanks, everyone in the room who was helpfull... I will try renaming the files from .rec to .jpg or .avi, and see if they will load in XP... To all the jerks who think that all conversion must always be 100% on topic, your grandmother sucks eggs. |
| 22:43.37 | stoned | pmorrison, dude, thats uncalled for |
| 22:43.39 | JordiGH | ¡Mi abuela no chupa huevos! |
| 22:43.45 | Shadowcat | pmorrison: unless you use debian, we're not gonna help you |
| 22:43.46 | infernix | pmorrisson: go away now. |
| 22:43.46 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 22:44.07 | Shadowcat | moron |
| 22:44.16 | Platyna | stoned: So, I need fucking support for fucking 2 GB files on Apache and I heard Debian developers has a patch to fucking implement it because fucking apache 1.3 doesn't supports it on 32 file systems and I am fucking needing it. |
| 22:44.17 | stoned | Shadowcat, you actually bring that out in poeple |
| 22:44.18 | fasta | Shadowcat: there are logs you know? |
| 22:44.22 | Platyna | And fucking tired. |
| 22:44.23 | Platyna | ;] |
| 22:44.32 | Ronin | more i see them the more i think ubuntu users cant read ;) |
| 22:44.38 | Platyna | And this is my fucking question, if this is true or not? |
| 22:44.39 | Shadowcat | stoned: that wasn't me |
| 22:44.40 | Platyna | ;] |
| 22:44.44 | stoned | Shadowcat, :) |
| 22:44.47 | Shadowcat | he was pissed way before I came into the picture |
| 22:44.48 | fasta | Ronin: They are called "ordinary people". |
| 22:44.49 | Platyna | And I am not fucking Ubuntu user. |
| 22:44.51 | Platyna | ;> |
| 22:44.56 | fasta | Ronin: there are a lot of them |
| 22:44.58 | stoned | Shadowcat, I'm pulling your leg |
| 22:44.58 | Ronin | Platyna: breath before you hurt yourself |
| 22:45.02 | infernix | Platyna: please watch your language |
| 22:45.15 | Shadowcat | take that! |
| 22:45.17 | Platyna | infernix: See above. :P |
| 22:45.22 | stoned | argh! you a-hole |
| 22:45.23 | stoned | :( |
| 22:45.45 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 22:45.54 | stoned | I can't smoke again, I enjoyed 2 blunts after like 2 months. They want me back at dell for another interview, for Gold Member Technical Support |
| 22:45.55 | infernix | Platyna: what holds you back from googling the patch and building apache? |
| 22:46.05 | Platyna | infernix: I am googling. |
| 22:46.10 | Platyna | I found this: |
| 22:46.14 | stoned | they said I qualified for that job too, so they want to interview me for that as well. |
| 22:46.22 | Platyna | apache_1.3.34-2.diff |
| 22:46.31 | Platyna | But there is nothing about large files. |
| 22:46.34 | stoned | I don't care what I do, just give me an honest weeks pay for an honest days work and i'm a happy camper |
| 22:46.41 | evilgeek | hm. |
| 22:46.43 | Platyna | CFLAGS everyone are giving me just works on 2.x |
| 22:46.46 | simonrvn | 32K is the max, but then you don't leave any room for local tcp conns |
| 22:46.52 | infernix | Platyna: get the specific patch for large files, apt-get source apache, add it to the patchlist and put in in the patches dir, then apt-get build-depend apache and then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:47.02 | fasta | simonrvn: can you prove that somehow? |
| 22:47.08 | Platyna | infernix: But there is one more problem... |
| 22:47.10 | simonrvn | it's in the code |
| 22:47.13 | stoned | Shadowcat, once again man. I don't mind as long as I get a pay check |
| 22:47.14 | stoned | lol |
| 22:47.17 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: so it's a signed int then |
| 22:47.19 | fasta | simonrvn: file name? |
| 22:47.22 | Platyna | I am not using Debian...I just heard Debian people has some special patch. |
| 22:47.32 | Ronin | not using debian? |
| 22:47.35 | Platyna | So, could you hand it to me? Please, say yes. ;? |
| 22:47.36 | stoned | get outta here! |
| 22:47.38 | evilgeek | is there any way to get udev and libnss-ldap to work together? |
| 22:47.51 | evilgeek | like, so that not everything has user and group set to root after every single reboot? |
| 22:47.53 | infernix | Platyna: obscene languare, asking for help and not using debian. |
| 22:48.01 | infernix | Platyna: google is your friend |
| 22:48.13 | Platyna | infernix: I am asking for a Debian patch, so where I am supposed to ask then? |
| 22:48.22 | stoned | but really, google also might not like the obscenities in your speech |
| 22:48.27 | Platyna | And stoned first used obscene language, I just made fun of it. |
| 22:48.31 | infernix | Platyna: install debian. apt-get source apache. get the patch. |
| 22:48.31 | stoned | what? |
| 22:48.35 | evilgeek | other than just scrapping udev and using going with a static /dev? |
| 22:48.39 | stoned | fuck fuckity fuck fuckrooni? |
| 22:48.46 | Platyna | infernix: I have no free machine. |
| 22:48.49 | fasta | simonrvn: How do you find that in that haystack? |
| 22:48.55 | stoned | at least i'm not distorting my question with obscenities |
| 22:49.09 | infernix | Platyna: you could ask nicely for someone to get it for you. |
| 22:49.09 | Platyna | infernix: What is the problem about being nice and download the patch for me? Is it so big? |
| 22:49.13 | streuner | Platyna: did you try #apache? |
| 22:49.16 | Shadowcat | seriously |
| 22:49.21 | Platyna | infernix: That's what I am doing... |
| 22:49.22 | Shadowcat | if you don't run debian we have no obligation to help you |
| 22:49.31 | simonrvn | the number of maximum connections is limited by a number of factors, one of which is the tcp time_wait, which will affect the number of concurrent open connections |
| 22:49.34 | Platyna | streuner: Their answer for every question is "Install 2.2.". |
| 22:49.37 | Shadowcat | in fact we don't have an obligation to help you period as we do this on our free time |
| 22:49.39 | JordiGH | Platyna: Even if we did help, how are you going to install a .deb file without Debian utilities? |
| 22:49.46 | streuner | oh well :-) |
| 22:49.57 | stoned | JordiGH, well you can extract the archive |
| 22:49.59 | Platyna | JordiGH: I need a patch not some binary package... |
| 22:50.07 | stoned | JordiGH, deb packages use ar for compression |
| 22:50.08 | Shadowcat | Platyna: then install debian and get it |
| 22:50.16 | Shadowcat | and no you do NOT need a free machine to install debian |
| 22:50.22 | Shadowcat | ever heard of virtualization? |
| 22:50.23 | Platyna | Shadowcat: I told you I do not have a machine to install it. |
| 22:50.36 | Shadowcat | Platyna: then read what I just typed |
| 22:51.01 | evilgeek | the problem, of course, is that i need udev in order to have a network card, and i need a network card in order to have LDAP. |
| 22:51.04 | Ronin | hey Shadowcat i run windowsxp think you could get a file for me? ;) |
| 22:51.05 | Platyna | Where do all nice and helpful people go? |
| 22:51.10 | infernix | platyna, either way, i dont get a thing when i grep 2gb or grep large in the patch dir. |
| 22:51.25 | infernix | platyna, so its not in that sense in the debian apache patches. |
| 22:51.38 | evilgeek | this is clearly udev's fault, but there should be a sane way to fix this that doesn't involve simply trashing udev. |
| 22:51.41 | Platyna | infernix: Could you install apache from a package and see if you can download file larger than 2 GB? |
| 22:51.48 | stoned | Platyna, they are all nice, until they get turned off by people with attitudes using obscenities and NOT EVEN using Debian to top it off |
| 22:51.54 | fasta | simonrvn: I can see some stuff related to time_wait with grep but still can't find a value. |
| 22:52.07 | Platyna | 00:42 < stoned> Platyna, no one here uses apache on debian. not even the people who use it. Do you have a question? if so, |
| 22:52.07 | fasta | simonrvn: If you know a file name, just put it here. |
| 22:52.10 | Platyna | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.15 | Vasistha | Platyna: dude, what makes you think that someone is going to attempt to download a 2 GB file for your amusement? I don't have 2 GB of free hard drive space :D |
| 22:52.15 | Shadowcat | stoned: actually I have this policy |
| 22:52.17 | Platyna | How can you be nice if you are a hypocrite? ;) |
| 22:52.24 | Shadowcat | you keep to the channel topic or, I don't help you |
| 22:52.29 | Shadowcat | in this case this is a debian channel |
| 22:52.38 | infernix | Platyna: dont have 2gb files on webservers |
| 22:52.39 | stoned | Platyna, becasue I'm not the one looking for support |
| 22:52.44 | Shadowcat | if you asked about debian over at ##windows I'd be very unresponsive as well |
| 22:52.59 | Platyna | infernix: You may create one, containing gibberish from /dev/urandom and download it from localhost. |
| 22:53.09 | Platyna | If it doesn't work you will get a forbidden error. |
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| 22:53.15 | JordiGH | Platyna, where did you hear about such a patch? I can't grep it. |
| 22:53.27 | Platyna | http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/03-03-06#vendors |
| 22:53.29 | Platyna | Here. |
| 22:53.40 | streuner | haha |
| 22:53.58 | stoned | Platyna, in the past 5+ years everytime I've asked for support i've been very humble, had all the information they could ever ask me for concercning the problem, and I ask intelligent questions. I don't come into a channel asking if anyone using something |
| 22:54.01 | Platyna | "Debian, Mandrake, SuSE, and SCO build Apache with Large File support, so that on 32-bit systems Apache can use files larger than 2 gigabytes" |
| 22:54.12 | simonrvn | fasta: the default limit is something like 2k or so. |
| 22:54.13 | Platyna | The guy who wrote it, said Debian has such patch. ;) |
| 22:54.15 | terminal|giga | I'm new to debian but have used some linux distros before. |
| 22:54.24 | stoned | for example |
| 22:54.24 | simonrvn | GTG. see you |
| 22:54.26 | stoned | !anyone |
| 22:54.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:54.26 | terminal|giga | I opted not to install the desktop apps |
| 22:54.29 | terminal|giga | when it asked |
| 22:54.32 | Shadowcat | Platyna: then go install debian |
| 22:54.33 | stoned | Platyna, ^^ |
| 22:54.34 | Ronin | so its not really a patch then is it |
| 22:54.38 | JordiGH | Cherchez la femme! |
| 22:54.41 | Shadowcat | if you don't, we won't be very cooperating |
| 22:54.47 | Platyna | stoned: And for many years I have a support channel too and I am not being rude for the people who come on it. |
| 22:54.56 | infernix | Platyna: a moment then. |
| 22:54.57 | JordiGH | Platyna, oh the binaries are already patched? Hmm... |
| 22:55.03 | stoned | Platyna, and when did I become responsible for YOUR perception? |
| 22:55.06 | Platyna | infernix: Thanks. |
| 22:55.37 | terminal|giga | is there a way to get a group install of all the packages i need for a decent and complete desktop. I'd like to have a complete setup for development and such. |
| 22:55.46 | JordiGH | I thought rudeness in IRC channels was the norm, myself... I'd love to get sociologists and anthropologists to analyse IRC myself. |
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| 22:55.54 | stoned | anyway, argue all you want, Im just gonna sit back and watch people give you debian support when y ou're not using debian, good luck btw |
| 22:55.57 | streuner | Platyna: you don't use debian and asking in a debian channel for help... |
| 22:56.12 | fasta | simonrvn: You have not answered my question. |
| 22:56.14 | ice_1963 | when i install sid i get a error on my xserver for my mouse how can i fix it ?pl |
| 22:56.22 | infernix | Platyna: works. no forbidden error. |
| 22:56.27 | Platyna | Ignore list is so useful... |
| 22:56.33 | Platyna | infernix: Oh! |
| 22:56.37 | Platyna | So, I was right. |
| 22:56.38 | infernix | Platyna: so install debian sarge and you'll be helped further. |
| 22:56.44 | Platyna | Debian guys somehow did it. |
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| 22:57.03 | streuner | exeption state rules |
| 22:57.07 | JordiGH | Platyna: So did Gentoo, and they're a source-based distro. Wouldn't it be easier getting it from them? |
| 22:57.18 | Platyna | infernix: I just have 400 Mhz terminal to such games...so I really have to it? ;? |
| 22:57.19 | stoned | Platyna, look man, no one is trying to be a dick to you, but you must understand what we're saying |
| 22:57.29 | Platyna | infernix: It will be not installed on debian anyway. |
| 22:57.34 | streuner | stoned: she |
| 22:57.40 | JordiGH | 400 Mhz? Wow, I wish I had that much. I run Debian on 266 Mhz. |
| 22:57.41 | Platyna | I need it for some production server which happens to be on Slackware. |
| 22:57.48 | stoned | streuner, huh? |
| 22:57.51 | simonrvn | fasta: oh file name? dunno, sorry. combination of accumulated knowledge and googling, heh |
| 22:57.51 | infernix | Platyna: if you really need to know which patch your only choice is mailing the maintainer, but google will be of more use. i suggest installing debian or going elsewhere for continued support, like #apache |
| 22:57.52 | stoned | oh |
| 22:58.01 | stoned | look woman,! umm.. |
| 22:58.06 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:58.07 | stoned | read above :D |
| 22:58.12 | fasta | simonrvn: ok, since wading through the source is awful. |
| 22:58.17 | simonrvn | look in the network stuff, and read carefully. it is there |
| 22:58.26 | streuner | are you always so difficult? |
| 22:58.27 | fasta | simonrvn: Unless you got a symbol name. |
| 22:58.27 | Platyna | infernix: Hmm. Could you download me a apache source from that apt-get? |
| 22:58.29 | simonrvn | i know, but definitive info is there |
| 22:58.34 | fasta | simonrvn: I know |
| 22:58.35 | Platyna | infernix: And send me it? |
| 22:58.37 | infernix | Platyna: www.debian.org> packages > apache |
| 22:58.40 | simonrvn | maybe TCP ? |
| 22:58.41 | fasta | simonrvn: thanks, anyway |
| 22:58.42 | stoned | streuner, me? hardly |
| 22:58.46 | Platyna | infernix: OK. |
| 22:58.46 | Shadowcat | fasta: if your goal is to change an ip stack to accept more connections |
| 22:58.47 | JordiGH | Platyna: you can get the source yourself from the web. |
| 22:58.48 | streuner | nah :-) |
| 22:58.52 | Shadowcat | you're gonna have to recode the entire bloody thing |
| 22:58.56 | streuner | Platyna |
| 22:58.58 | Platyna | infernix: And sorry, I am really not familiar with Debian. :) |
| 22:59.01 | stoned | word |
| 22:59.02 | Shadowcat | because changing an int to a long will BREAK A LOT of things |
| 22:59.03 | Platyna | streuner: Yes? |
| 22:59.06 | fasta | Shadowcat: based on assembler? |
| 22:59.10 | ice_1963 | well i'm running testimg right now ... and i'm not going to install sarge to get a fix :( |
| 22:59.24 | Shadowcat | fasta: just saying, if you're gonna attempt that, don't |
| 22:59.30 | Shadowcat | unless you want to sift through 5000 lines of code |
| 22:59.31 | Shadowcat | maybe more |
| 22:59.37 | Platyna | infernix: Mmm. Are there any build scripts for debian packages? |
| 22:59.44 | Platyna | You know... |
| 22:59.46 | fasta | Shadowcat: uhm, isn't there this thing called modular software? |
| 22:59.47 | simonrvn | fasta: in 2.6 there are new stacks you can play with to increase performance, tweak stuff, etc. |
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| 22:59.54 | simonrvn | sec |
| 22:59.56 | infernix | Platyna: explaining how to build debian packages is wholly out of scope for this channel - you're on your own. |
| 23:00.04 | infernix | Platyna: specifically on non-debian distros. |
| 23:00.05 | JordiGH | Platyna: Only the usuall... And Debian assumes you can apt-get dependencies (usually in binary form) before you build. |
| 23:00.06 | stoned | !package basics |
| 23:00.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 23:00.09 | Shadowcat | fasta: it isn't very modular when you're recoding the base of the dependencies |
| 23:00.10 | streuner | Platyna: is that for a production server? |
| 23:00.26 | Platyna | streuner: Yes. |
| 23:00.27 | Shadowcat | fasta: you're recoding the part that every module depends on |
| 23:00.43 | streuner | uhm, did you install and configured it? |
| 23:00.51 | Platyna | JordiGH: Yes, but is there a possibility to build a package from source using some script? |
| 23:00.55 | Shadowcat | every network/higher ip module probably go back to that fundamental int in some way |
| 23:00.56 | Platyna | Or apt-get does it? |
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| 23:01.04 | Shadowcat | if you change that to a long you have to change every function that handles it |
| 23:01.12 | Shadowcat | or you'll end up with one hell of a segfault |
| 23:01.14 | JordiGH | Platyna: you mean, ./configure? |
| 23:01.15 | fasta | Shadowcat: ok, I see your point. But _increasing_ it should not break anything. |
| 23:01.15 | Platyna | streuner: Yes, I tried CFLAGS, checked if compiler uses it etc. |
| 23:01.18 | streuner | Platyna: you need debian in order to use such tools |
| 23:01.20 | JordiGH | Platyna: And makefiles? Yes. |
| 23:01.24 | Shadowcat | fasta: how do you know that? |
| 23:01.27 | Platyna | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 23:01.45 | Shadowcat | and actually yes it will |
| 23:01.54 | Shadowcat | a function designed to accept an int won't accept a long |
| 23:02.04 | stoned | if it still does so in C#, it more than likely will not accept it |
| 23:02.11 | JordiGH | Actually, I don't think I've ever gotten Debian sources without apt-get. Are they available in the web? |
| 23:02.12 | Shadowcat | function(int a); <---- give a long to that and you're screwed |
| 23:02.13 | Platyna | My point is... |
| 23:02.25 | Shadowcat | and the entire bloody thing is probably coded like that |
| 23:02.28 | Platyna | Is there any way to check how do Debian developers built a package? |
| 23:02.28 | stoned | and that is what I am familliar with, Shadowcat it correct |
| 23:02.32 | Platyna | What hacks they are used? |
| 23:02.32 | fasta | Shadowcat: ok, but you change the complete type. |
| 23:02.38 | streuner | Platyna: yes |
| 23:02.42 | Shadowcat | stoned: I believe it's called a strongly typed language :) |
| 23:02.43 | stoned | s/it/is |
| 23:02.46 | Platyna | streuner: And what is it? |
| 23:02.48 | streuner | Platyna: in debian/rules |
| 23:02.50 | Shadowcat | fasta: look, just don't |
| 23:02.57 | Platyna | I am interested in used patches and configure options. |
| 23:03.01 | Shadowcat | you obviously don't know enough to even have this discussion with me |
| 23:03.06 | streuner | Platyna: extract the deb itself and take a look in debian/rules |
| 23:03.08 | fasta | Shadowcat: who says that MAXINT is used? (or whatever it's called) |
| 23:03.10 | infernix | Platyna: debian/rules, debian/patches/* |
| 23:03.12 | Shadowcat | and I'm out in the park compared to the kernel hackers |
| 23:03.16 | Platyna | infernix: What package you have installed? I would search for it. |
| 23:03.23 | Platyna | infernix: And where are these located? |
| 23:03.24 | simonrvn | fasta: make menuconfig -> Networking -> TCP congestion control ---> then pick one |
| 23:03.27 | Platyna | In some config file? |
| 23:03.35 | simonrvn | or more... they come modular too |
| 23:03.36 | fasta | Shadowcat: uhm, what makes you think that? |
| 23:03.37 | Platyna | That apt-get uses? |
| 23:03.39 | infernix | Platyna: apache souce + the source diff. packages > search for apache > downlaod source + diff |
| 23:03.45 | streuner | Platyna: just extract the deb |
| 23:03.50 | Shadowcat | fasta <fasta> Shadowcat: ok, I see your point. But _increasing_ it should not break anything. <---- that statement |
| 23:03.57 | Shadowcat | which means you don't know C |
| 23:04.00 | Shadowcat | which the kernel is coded in |
| 23:04.03 | fasta | Shadowcat: increasing it without changing its type |
| 23:04.04 | Platyna | infernix: I downloaded apache_1.3.33-6sarge1.diff.gz, is this correct? |
| 23:04.05 | streuner | Platyna: use |
| 23:04.07 | Shadowcat | which is one hell of a pre-requisite |
| 23:04.12 | Platyna | streuner: Ok. |
| 23:04.15 | Shadowcat | fasta: it's ALREADY at max |
| 23:04.15 | streuner | Platyna: use 'ar x foo.deb' |
| 23:04.15 | fasta | Shadowcat: you are just nit picking. |
| 23:04.23 | fasta | Shadowcat: Ok |
| 23:04.25 | Shadowcat | fasta: well DUH that's what programming is |
| 23:04.26 | infernix | Platyna: yes, plus the original tar.gz for apache |
| 23:04.35 | phatmonkey | i'm having some problems booting off a SCSI drive, and i think it's grub. disk is fine, i can boot off it using a grub CD. SCSI card is fine, i have tried others with the same result. the boot just stalls before any grub messages are displayed. i have tried grub-install /dev/sda1, and it's definately booting off the right disks. what else could be causing a problem like this? |
| 23:04.35 | Shadowcat | you give precise instructions to a program or it won't run |
| 23:04.46 | fasta | Shadowcat: Not really, that's what you do in C. |
| 23:04.46 | Shadowcat | and when it's an ip stack you better be damn sure there aren't any assumptions |
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| 23:04.55 | Shadowcat | fasta: and the kernel IS coded in C |
| 23:05.00 | infernix | phatmonkey: did lilo work? have you tried? |
| 23:05.08 | Platyna | infernix: Ok. |
| 23:05.10 | Shadowcat | so if you can't even discuss it precisely with me obviously I'm gonna think you can't code it |
| 23:05.12 | fasta | Shadowcat: "DUH, that's what programming is". |
| 23:05.16 | simonrvn | no it's coded in perl |
| 23:05.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 23:05.25 | Platyna | infernix: There is not 1.3.36 for Debian? |
| 23:05.37 | infernix | Platyna: probably in etch or sid. |
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| 23:05.37 | phatmonkey | infernix, nope. how do i use lilo with debian? i've never tried it |
| 23:05.39 | JordiGH | phatmonkey: It sounds as if somehow grub isn't installed to /dev/sda's MBR. |
| 23:05.49 | infernix | phatmonkey: apt-get install lilo; liloconf |
| 23:05.50 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: isn't perl strongly typed too? |
| 23:05.51 | fasta | Shadowcat: There are safer languages than C (but I probably won't be telling anything new) |
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| 23:06.09 | Shadowcat | fasta: which really doesn't enter into this discussion as the IP stack we're talking about is coded in C |
| 23:06.11 | phatmonkey | JordiGH, what confuses me is why the BIOS doesn't say it's a bad boot disk or whatever. grub is obvious trying |
| 23:06.21 | phatmonkey | infernix, ok. i'll give that a shot |
| 23:06.25 | simonrvn | Shadowcat: it's related to C, and yeh it is |
| 23:06.36 | streuner | Platyna: are you still thinking #debian is rude? |
| 23:06.37 | infernix | phatmonkey: you could try getting a bootable grub floppy/cd of the very latest version of grub. helped me one time. |
| 23:06.41 | Shadowcat | there's no point in discussing java (which by the way is ALSO strongly typed) when the thing's written in C |
| 23:06.47 | stoned | phatmonkey, you have to make the drive bootable, not a partition in it, grub should be insalled on the disk's mbr |
| 23:06.50 | simonrvn | i really GTG now. see you |
| 23:06.52 | Platyna | streuner: No. :P |
| 23:06.55 | stoned | simonrvn, see ya |
| 23:07.04 | fasta | Shadowcat: I know enough of programming that statically typed or strongly typed or whatever has different meanings for different people. |
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| 23:07.14 | streuner | Platyna: there is a difference between rude and supporting debian |
| 23:07.14 | infernix | phatmonkey: stoned has a point, you have to specify /dev/sda, not sda1 |
| 23:07.16 | efaistos | hi |
| 23:07.16 | JordiGH | phatmonkey: Hm, have you tried hitting random keys at that screen? I've had similar problems, and it turns out that something is wrong in menu.lst, e.g. a link to an inexistent splash image. |
| 23:07.20 | Platyna | infernix: Could you check if this works too? I would rather need 1.3.36... |
| 23:07.23 | Shadowcat | fasta: then prove it by using the right terms when discussing it |
| 23:07.28 | Platyna | streuner: I hope so. :P |
| 23:07.28 | phatmonkey | stoned, hmmm. i might have done that, not sure. i'll make sure i do the drive next time! |
| 23:07.40 | efaistos | do you know why alsaconf doesnt store the configuration and after every reboot i have to relaunch it ? |
| 23:07.40 | fasta | Shadowcat: I can't remember me using the wrong terms. |
| 23:07.44 | infernix | Platyna: your outside-debian support credits are at 0. sorry. |
| 23:07.51 | Platyna | I am fighting with this quite long and I am desperated. |
| 23:07.52 | streuner | Platyna: if you call somebody rude, because we don't help with other distros, just call us rude :-) |
| 23:07.54 | Platyna | ;-) |
| 23:08.01 | Shadowcat | fasta: you can start with when you wand that changing an int to a long wouldn't break the entire program |
| 23:08.05 | infernix | Platyna: install debian, problem solved. |
| 23:08.09 | Shadowcat | said* |
| 23:08.10 | Platyna | streuner: But I need help with Debian thing... |
| 23:08.14 | fasta | Shadowcat: I never said that. |
| 23:08.19 | phatmonkey | infernix, i do have a grub CD, and debian boots fine with that! |
| 23:08.26 | Shadowcat | <fasta> Shadowcat: ok, I see your point. But _increasing_ it should not break anything. |
| 23:08.30 | stoned | how could you need help with a debian thing if you are not even running debian for fucks sake! |
| 23:08.32 | phatmonkey | JordiGH, i'll take a look through my menu.lst. there might be something dodgy there |
| 23:08.32 | streuner | Platyna: main important thing is that you run debian... |
| 23:08.32 | Shadowcat | how many times do I need to paste that? |
| 23:08.34 | stoned | good god man |
| 23:08.38 | infernix | phatmonkey: installation from grub itself can also work if you boot from cd |
| 23:08.40 | stoned | holy googly moogly |
| 23:08.51 | fasta | Shadowcat: I had the assumption that I didn't change the type. |
| 23:08.56 | JordiGH | phatmonkey: Dodgy? Are you Australian? My girlfriend talks like that. |
| 23:09.04 | fasta | Shadowcat: I assumed it was at like 1000000 |
| 23:09.11 | fasta | Shadowcat: increasing it would not break anything. |
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| 23:09.12 | JordiGH | .co.uk... never mind. |
| 23:09.19 | infernix | phatmonkey: you go into console, then you setup (hd0) or (hd1). but try grub-install /dev/sda first. |
| 23:09.20 | Platyna | streuner: I didn't knew an open source distribution is so egoistic. |
| 23:09.20 | fasta | Shadowcat: As I said: you are nit picking. |
| 23:09.22 | Shadowcat | fasta: which brings us to you not paying attention when simonrvn said 32k |
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| 23:09.28 | phatmonkey | JordiGH, hehe, yes! |
| 23:09.28 | streuner | Platyna: you don't go to a BMW seller and ask them about Mercedes, only because they have an engine... |
| 23:09.35 | Shadowcat | and 32k is obviously the LIMIT of a signed int |
| 23:09.54 | zinx | signed 16-bit int :x |
| 23:09.55 | fasta | Shadowcat: uh, you are talking bullshit |
| 23:10.09 | Platyna | streuner: So, you are comparing big and evil companies to Debian? ;) |
| 23:10.12 | phatmonkey | infernix, yeah, i booted into the machine and did grub-install. not sure whether it was /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 though |
| 23:10.14 | phatmonkey | probably the problem |
| 23:10.37 | Platyna | Bye everyone. |
| 23:10.37 | fasta | Shadowcat: It's more like 2^32 possibilities. In some dynamic languages it's 2^29, IIRC. |
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| 23:10.41 | BarryAllen | i need to do a downgrade of slapd in my debian (etch) box... there are an easy way to install that package (and your dependences) from sarge? |
| 23:10.41 | streuner | Platyna: the point is rather freedom |
| 23:10.49 | fasta | Shadowcat: depending on arch. |
| 23:10.54 | infernix | !downgrade |
| 23:10.55 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 23:11.11 | Shadowcat | fasta: you seriously want me to dig that up? |
| 23:11.11 | Ronin | so does anyone else think platyna is about to bugger up a server? |
| 23:11.16 | Shadowcat | because I do have it logged |
| 23:11.20 | infernix | BarryAllen: however sounds to me you want to build the sources from sarge on etch? |
| 23:11.33 | fasta | Shadowcat: dig what up? |
| 23:11.46 | stoned | Ronin, ? |
| 23:11.47 | BarryAllen | infernix, may be that, if i cant use the binaries |
| 23:11.53 | infernix | !end the coder war |
| 23:12.00 | infernix | dang |
| 23:12.01 | Shadowcat | <simonrvn> 32K is the max, but then you don't leave any room for local tcp conns |
| 23:12.01 | fasta | Shadowcat: I didn't communicate that assumption to you. |
| 23:12.03 | Shadowcat | <simonrvn> it's in the code |
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| 23:12.10 | fasta | Shadowcat: Yes, I read that. |
| 23:12.17 | BarryAllen | infernix, the fact is.. the version of slapd in etch hangs with OpenXchange.... so i need downgrade it... |
| 23:12.23 | Ronin | stoned: trying to take a debian package and install it on a non debian system |
| 23:12.25 | Shadowcat | just admit that you weren't precise enough in the discussion |
| 23:12.28 | Shadowcat | it's very simple |
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| 23:12.34 | Coke | I recently recompiled the 2.6.16 kernel (debian source) using make-kpkg. Now iptables says "iptables v1.3.3: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?)". I have CONFIG_NETFILTER=y and all other as modules. What else is needed? |
| 23:12.39 | stoned | Ronin, well yes, it CAN be done |
| 23:12.40 | Shadowcat | if you want me to respect you as a programmer then for god sakes speak the proper language |
| 23:12.45 | fasta | Shadowcat: What's your fucking point. 32K<1e6<limit of int. |
| 23:12.58 | infernix | BarryAllen: if its really a version problem: change (or add) a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list with sarge; apt-get update; apt-get build-dep slapd; apt-get -b source slapd |
| 23:13.02 | fasta | Shadowcat: It didn't care about the _actual_ value. |
| 23:13.08 | Shadowcat | fasta: that is my point |
| 23:13.18 | stoned | Ronin, one can also steer a car with one foot, doesn't make it a good idea. I think playtna didn't get it |
| 23:13.20 | stew | Coke: CONFIG_IP_NF_FILTER |
| 23:13.20 | Shadowcat | if you don't care about these things you shouldn't be coding in a strongly typed language |
| 23:13.34 | BarryAllen | infernix, tks! |
| 23:13.34 | fasta | Shadowcat: You are funny. Every heard of Lisp |
| 23:13.38 | Shadowcat | and you nitpick when you program, that's the whole definition |
| 23:13.48 | fasta | Shadowcat: Lisp has bignums by default. |
| 23:13.56 | Shadowcat | well this isn't lisp is it |
| 23:13.58 | Shadowcat | this is C |
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| 23:14.01 | stew | Shadowcat: fasta: can you two take it elsewhere, your conversation seems unproductive and offtopic |
| 23:14.02 | fasta | Shadowcat: And I am well aware of all the issues. |
| 23:14.13 | infernix | Coke: are you sure *everything* is modularised, including xtables? |
| 23:14.19 | Shadowcat | fasta: then prove it next time |
| 23:14.20 | Shadowcat | eod |
| 23:14.24 | stew | Shadowcat: stop |
| 23:14.42 | Coke | stew: can't even find it in the config |
| 23:14.49 | Coke | infernix: I have no x-tables. |
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| 23:15.18 | Coke | infernix: this is new for 2.6.16 |
| 23:15.18 | infernix | Coke: find /lib/modules/2.6.16*/kernel -name \*filter* |
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| 23:15.29 | infernix | Coke: it is indeed. |
| 23:15.34 | Coke | bleh |
| 23:15.51 | stew | Coke: hit '/' then type FILTER and enter |
| 23:15.55 | fasta | Shadowcat: who are you anyway? Did you have any kind of education? Or are you "self-taught"? |
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| 23:16.25 | stew | fasta: take a 10 minute break, then please try to stay on topic |
| 23:16.27 | Coke | stew: I had an old config. |
| 23:16.30 | Coke | stew: from 2.6.15 |
| 23:16.36 | Shadowcat | Coke: NO |
| 23:16.39 | Shadowcat | DON'T DO THAT |
| 23:16.40 | stew | Coke: this option has existed since the 2.4 series |
| 23:16.46 | Coke | Obviously, duh! |
| 23:17.00 | stew | Coke: if you copy an oldconfig, "make oldconfig" before you "make menuconfig" |
| 23:17.11 | Shadowcat | stew: oldconfig breaks lots of things |
| 23:17.12 | Coke | yep. |
| 23:17.14 | zinx | if you use make-kpkg it does that for you |
| 23:17.17 | itguru | Are there any system maintaners in here that run windows based systems, on top of a linux infastructure? |
| 23:17.18 | Coke | that's exactly what I missed. |
| 23:17.19 | zinx | Shadowcat: eh, no it doesn't |
| 23:17.36 | stew | Shadowcat: did you file a bug? |
| 23:17.39 | Shadowcat | zinx: it does because things get added, others get taken away |
| 23:17.44 | Coke | zinx: yeah, but naturally I had to fiddle with it using menuconfig first. |
| 23:17.46 | zinx | Shadowcat: i think some tty options may be disabled if you're doing it from *2.4.x*, but otherwise its entire purpose is to be used with old configs |
| 23:17.51 | itguru | Are there any system maintaners in here that run windows based systems, *and ghost 8.0 corporate edition* on top of a linux infastructure? |
| 23:17.52 | Shadowcat | it's known to create some really funny kernels |
| 23:18.02 | zinx | Shadowcat: Uh. oldconfig *PROMPTS YOU* for new options. |
| 23:18.12 | ygnome | I must be missing something with apt-key, I just can't make it fly. Is it klunky or is it me? |
| 23:18.14 | zinx | Shadowcat: it only makes a broken config if you tell it the wrong thing. |
| 23:18.27 | Shadowcat | hmm... |
| 23:18.35 | Shadowcat | wtf did I type wrong that time then |
| 23:18.36 | zinx | in any case, make-kpkg will run make oldconfig for you |
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| 23:19.00 | zinx | and you really should be using kernel-package in some capacity, if you're rolling your own kernel in debian |
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| 23:19.59 | Coke | zinx: well, I've learned my lesson |
| 23:22.17 | ygnome | apt-key list shows 2D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) but I still get the no public key message. |
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| 23:24.41 | stoned | * Received a CTCP PING 1154085902 899539 from cat (to #debian) |
| 23:24.43 | stoned | wth |
| 23:24.44 | streuner | o_O |
| 23:24.51 | numist | die, cat |
| 23:24.51 | stew | cat: please don't do that |
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| 23:25.02 | evilgeek | what's wrong with pinging a channel. |
| 23:25.05 | streuner | cat: that's not nice from you |
| 23:25.08 | JordiGH | My evil plots to gently force Debian on my office mates is slowly yielding fruits... |
| 23:25.08 | evilgeek | s/\./?/p |
| 23:25.16 | stew | ygnome: is that the key its actually complaining about |
| 23:25.17 | streuner | evilgeek: without asking? |
| 23:25.32 | stoned | streuner, can I ping you! I really want to, it'll be fun, I promise |
| 23:25.33 | streuner | evilgeek: are you really asking that question or you joking? |
| 23:25.41 | stoned | lol |
| 23:25.41 | Blastur | whats the point in pinging if you ask first? :P |
| 23:25.43 | streuner | stoned: sure :-) |
| 23:26.08 | cat | my bad |
| 23:26.08 | stew | lets not make a bid deal out if it. he pinged, its annoying, lets move on |
| 23:26.09 | JordiGH | Today, just a few minutes ago, one of them came to me, unbidden, asking how could he install the same operating system on his machine... He's been using it for a year after I casually installed it dual-boot in our shared computer. |
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| 23:26.14 | evilgeek | i'm really asking the question. one message gets sent to each person in the channel, and i don't see why people would care. |
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| 23:26.17 | cat | wrong button im using bitchx, |
| 23:26.30 | streuner | stew: you can't control everything |
| 23:26.34 | cat | and i did /p for part and then, i've pinged the intired channel |
| 23:26.38 | stoned | If I think i'm lagging, I just do !ping and dpkg either replies right away (if not lagging) or if replies after a while (if lagging) |
| 23:26.41 | ygnome | stew: um. why no, it isn't they are longer id's, and one per debian mirror. |
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| 23:27.32 | stoned | I can't seem to find a GUI app for reading/displaying/editing Powertab files |
| 23:27.47 | stoned | either none exist, or my search skills are crappy |
| 23:27.50 | pipeline | what the hell is a powertab? |
| 23:28.05 | stoned | I found nothing except ptabtools. pipeline, its a guitar tablature format |
| 23:28.19 | stew | ygnome: "/msg dpkg apt-key 2D230C5F" but substitude the last 8 digits of the key |
| 23:28.42 | stoned | pipeline, the program currently only was developed for windows, its free, but not open source. |
| 23:28.48 | ygnome | stew: ok, thanks will give it a try. |
| 23:29.37 | stoned | pipeline, and the thing is, most of the proper tabs you find are either in guitar pro format (which I use with dguitar on linux), or powertab format, which afaik can't be edited/read/played with linux |
| 23:29.57 | efaistos | do you know why alsaconf doesnt store the configuration and after every reboot i have to relaunch it ? |
| 23:30.25 | stoned | efaistos, let me jog my memory, I had that problem a while ago on sid, dunno how I fixed it, but I did it somehow |
| 23:30.27 | streuner | efaistos: just run 'aumix' and save it |
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| 23:30.42 | streuner | in most cases it just works (TM) |
| 23:30.52 | stoned | aumix I used with keytouch on my keyboard |
| 23:31.17 | stoned | I love keytouch btw, if yo have extra buttons on your keyboard, and you can't make them work, /msg dpkg keytouch |
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| 23:31.18 | stoned | :D |
| 23:31.31 | freeone3000 | I've got a segmentation fault while running glxgears. Of course, this would be the fault of the drivers. I've installed the nvidia propriatary drivers, and I've set the driver in xorg.conf to "nv". What should I do? |
| 23:31.51 | stoned | freeone3000, nv doesn't support 3d acceleration I think |
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| 23:32.08 | freeone3000 | stoned: Ah. So go with 'nvidia'? Tried that once, whitescreened. |
| 23:32.20 | stoned | freeone3000, in debian or from nvidia binary installer? |
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| 23:32.30 | freeone3000 | stoned: Nvidia binary installer. |
| 23:32.32 | stoned | freeone3000, module assistant I mean.. |
| 23:32.38 | stoned | freeone3000, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:32.40 | itchi | freeone3000: The nv are the open source one. Change nv with nvidia |
| 23:32.47 | streuner | 'nvidia' is nvidia-glx out of debian (non-free) or the packages of nvidia itself (evil) |
| 23:33.02 | freeone3000 | Ah. Thank you guys... I'll edit that next x reboot. |
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| 23:33.20 | streuner | heh, it wouldn't work... |
| 23:33.21 | stoned | freeone3000, btw, also remove nvidia drivers first that you installed with nvidia binary isntaller. The option is in the read me like nvidia --uninstall or something or other |
| 23:33.37 | streuner | evil |
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| 23:33.58 | streuner | nvidia installer breaks sometimes your whole system, don't recommend it |
| 23:34.07 | stoned | I didn't! |
| 23:34.11 | infernix | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 23:34.15 | infernix | !nvidia oneliner |
| 23:34.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 23:34.27 | stoned | <stoned> freeone3000, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner | stoned> freeone3000, btw, also remove nvidia drivers first that you installed with nvidia binary isntaller. |
| 23:34.28 | stoned | :D |
| 23:34.56 | dn4 | the most eligant creature in the world that I have laid my eyes upon is married and needs a place to stay for a college semester, and she has asked me if she could stay at my place. *sigh* What is a Man to do? |
| 23:35.13 | stoned | dn4, not here |
| 23:35.29 | vulture | learn how to spell, for one thing.. |
| 23:35.30 | stoned | dn4, #debian-offtopic |
| 23:35.32 | infernix | dn4: whose computer is it? |
| 23:35.50 | dn4 | infernix, LOL |
| 23:36.16 | ygnome | stew: back to square one: gpg requests the key from the rr address subkeys.pgp.net, but then gpg: keyserver timed out . I think I've been here before... |
| 23:36.25 | efaistos | streuner: are you sure ? |
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| 23:36.44 | stew | ygnome: sounds like a networking / dns problem |
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| 23:37.38 | ygnome | stew: well, what protocol would be used, http? |
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| 23:38.15 | streuner | efaistos: otherwise i wouldn't said this |
| 23:38.19 | scyrma | let's say I have an external hd (an enclosure, actually) connected via firewire, to a computer... and then, I connect it to another computer at the same time .. what's gonna happen ? |
| 23:38.40 | streuner | efaistos: so yes :-) |
| 23:38.40 | stew | ygnome: hkp (getent services hkp) |
| 23:39.04 | scyrma | (and that both computers are debian, and the partition is ext3..) |
| 23:39.22 | streuner | efaistos: check out /msg dpkg alsa - there might be other solutions as well |
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| 23:40.57 | piclez | hi, can someone help me with aptitude? it wants to remove a lot of things and I don't know how to reset it |
| 23:41.03 | ygnome | stew: hmm. is there a common port option, I'd bet that port is closed on the fw. |
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| 23:43.11 | gimbal` | if anyone's familiar with the run-parts command, or if cron handles this internally, got a question on it : if a file is named something.dpkg-dist and is located in /etc/cron.d/ will run-parts skip it due to the *.dpkg-dist extension, or will it run it just 'cos it's there |
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| 23:44.17 | stew | gimbal`: skip, because of the run-parts naming restrictions (man run-parts) |
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| 23:44.58 | gimbal` | stew: awesome; thank you; didn't know it was in the manpage, forgot how well-done debian can be |
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| 23:46.30 | Hotwire | hi, how would i go about installing a usb wireless adaptor driver, would it require a kernel compilation? |
| 23:47.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | gimbal`: Debian does not dokument well. *BSD, Solaris, even HP-UX is far beyond that of Debian. |
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| 23:49.25 | stew | WoodyWoodpecker: please help by documenting then! |
| 23:50.21 | WoodyWoodpecker | stew: I am no developer. |
| 23:50.54 | Vasistha | Hotwire: usb ethernet adapters often have no linux drivers. The first step is going to be to google.com/linux for your specific model number. I've got to go, good luck |
| 23:53.09 | Hotwire | i know there is a driver as i'm using the adaptor in ubuntu at the moment |
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| 23:54.59 | stew | WoodyWoodpecker: you don't have to be a developer, just file a patch with a wishlist bug, http://qa.debian.org has a list of missing manpages |
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| 23:57.09 | killown | how I install kernel and modules with apt-get? |
| 23:57.24 | WoodyWoodpecker | stew: It is not that a man page is missing. It is that specific parameter of a comands is missing or they are not mentioned in the man, yet. |
| 23:57.57 | WoodyWoodpecker | stew: But I never saw that page before. I will write a bug report. Are you doing debian-maintnance? |
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| 23:58.12 | stew | killown: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 23:58.51 | floundering | Hi :) |
| 23:59.09 | stew | WoodyWoodpecker: yes, i'm maintaining 2 packages in the archive currently (i'm not a DD either). but adding a missing option to a manpage and submitting it as a wishlist bug would be easy, and very welcomed |
