| 00:00.03 | Foris | ping mwe |
| 00:00.04 | Foris | me* |
| 00:00.04 | Foris | I do |
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| 00:00.18 | thingfish | gosh |
| 00:00.18 | cafuego | sarra_: *nod* I was going to say try disabling sata to see if that makes a difference |
| 00:00.24 | thingfish | <3 stew |
| 00:00.27 | stew | Foris: take a 10 minute break, then try to stay on-topic, or move on |
| 00:01.21 | streuner | sarra_: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:01.22 | cafuego | sarra_: if you have sarge, it just doesn't support your chipset and as such can't see the cdrom |
| 00:01.52 | thingfish | sarra_: which installer are you trying to use? |
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| 00:02.12 | sarra_ | I downloaded and burned the Netinstall disc earlier today |
| 00:02.13 | tralala | sarra_: get an unofficial installer with a more recent kernel |
| 00:02.14 | relisss | Can I leave the corner now, Stew? =[ |
| 00:02.15 | cafuego | sarra_: Do as streuner says and try the instructions dpkg will give you. That will contain a NEW kernel, which should support your hardware (at all) |
| 00:02.25 | sarra_ | Okay |
| 00:02.33 | abrotman | right .. not a troll ... |
| 00:02.34 | Foris_ | Stew |
| 00:02.38 | Foris_ | I dont like you |
| 00:02.40 | cafuego | sarra_: It MAY still hang, but at least it WILL see the hardware properly. |
| 00:02.51 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:03.00 | thingfish | it's just surreal, really it is. |
| 00:03.03 | sarra_ | Thakns, I need to go afk for a bit |
| 00:03.09 | tralala | Foris_: avoiding ban isn't all that helpful |
| 00:03.47 | waiting | someone kick me |
| 00:03.55 | tralala | !kick waiting |
| 00:04.05 | waiting | thanks, that really helped |
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| 00:04.16 | thingfish | !beer waiting |
| 00:04.23 | thingfish | that's what you really need. |
| 00:04.27 | waiting | m/ |
| 00:04.39 | cafuego | As if germans would use quarts as a measure |
| 00:04.39 | Foris_ | !kick tralala |
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| 00:04.56 | thingfish | !frottage dpkg |
| 00:05.08 | Foris_ | !kick dpkg |
| 00:05.09 | thingfish | tsk puritan. |
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| 00:05.13 | Foris_ | .. |
| 00:05.14 | Rogers_ | cafuego: Good point. dpkg should use the metric system by default. customary system is garbage. |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | someone needs a +d |
| 00:05.38 | MustangMatt | I've setup a mysql backend for postfix and courier-imap but I can't seem to authenticate. Is there a way to see all the queries mysql recieves? |
| 00:05.53 | abrotman | MustangMatt: ask #mysql |
| 00:05.55 | Foris_ | How big is this in inches |--------------------------------------------| |
| 00:06.03 | Foris_ | lol |
| 00:06.05 | streuner | Foris: enough |
| 00:06.12 | abrotman | !ops can you please ban Foris and Foris_ |
| 00:06.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: abrotman complains about: can you please ban Foris and Foris_ |
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| 00:06.23 | tralala | Foris_: see you later |
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| 00:06.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dynamic-216-211-68-188.tbaytel.net] by Maulkin |
| 00:06.30 | *** kick/#debian [Foris_!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (Maulkin) |
| 00:06.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
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| 00:06.33 | streuner | Foris: that's not funny anymore |
| 00:06.35 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dynamic-216-211-62-229.tbaytel.net] by Maulkin |
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| 00:06.36 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Will try. |
| 00:06.37 | *** kick/#debian [Foris!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (Maulkin) |
| 00:06.38 | abrotman | Maulkin: no good .. please do a +d |
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| 00:06.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 00:06.43 | abrotman | Maulkin: he'll change IPs again |
| 00:06.50 | ar0n | hello |
| 00:06.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | or a relis@*tbaytel.net or whatever it would be |
| 00:07.21 | vick | is there a way to switch between tabs in firefox using the keyboard only ? |
| 00:07.27 | ar0n | Password: |
| 00:07.28 | ar0n | Could not chdir to home directory /home/aron: Permission denied |
| 00:07.28 | ar0n | /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 00:07.28 | ar0n | It looks like somebody has chmoded -x /bin |
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| 00:07.30 | cafuego | *!*@*.net |
| 00:07.38 | tralala | vick: alt+0-9 |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:07.51 | cafuego | ar0n: Looks like somebody did a chmod on / in fact. |
| 00:07.54 | ar0n | hmm sorry for that |
| 00:07.59 | vick | tralala: i have more than 9 tabs |
| 00:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*relis@dynamic-*.tbaytel.net] by Maulkin |
| 00:08.02 | waiting | vick: <Ctrl>-<tab> |
| 00:08.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | Maulkin: thank you |
| 00:08.13 | Maulkin | abrotman: I don't know the +d syntax |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | thingfish: guess what i just ate?! |
| 00:08.15 | Maulkin | Sorry |
| 00:08.16 | ar0n | hmm can i login trough ssh somehow ? |
| 00:08.17 | vick | thanks |
| 00:08.19 | abrotman | Maulkin: it's a real name ban |
| 00:08.24 | cafuego | ar0n: maybe as root |
| 00:08.29 | ar0n | :S |
| 00:08.36 | ar0n | permitrootlogin no |
| 00:08.36 | streuner | ar0n: if your sshd_config allow that |
| 00:08.36 | waiting | :O| |
| 00:08.48 | cafuego | ar0n: Then you'll need local access |
| 00:08.56 | thingfish | abrotman: catfish??? |
| 00:08.57 | ar0n | :/ |
| 00:09.00 | streuner | ar0n: and run rkhunter |
| 00:09.08 | abrotman | thingfish: better!! |
| 00:09.13 | cafuego | or don't install RPMs |
| 00:09.16 | thingfish | abrotman: crab? |
| 00:09.20 | abrotman | thingfish: organ! |
| 00:09.33 | thingfish | abrotman: ooh which organ, kidney? |
| 00:09.33 | Maulkin | abrotman: ahh, ok |
| 00:09.38 | ar0n | cool .. |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | Maulkin: make sense |
| 00:09.45 | abrotman | thingfish: no . .the one you can buy at the store :) |
| 00:09.48 | ar0n | thanx for your help |
| 00:10.02 | thingfish | abrotman: liver? I love liver. |
| 00:10.12 | abrotman | thingfish: you win! |
| 00:10.19 | dvs | looks |
| 00:10.22 | abrotman | so do i:) |
| 00:10.29 | stoned | hello |
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| 00:10.38 | thingfish | man you take some chicken livers and bread them and add a little seasoned salt and garlic powder, damn. |
| 00:10.53 | waiting | yo stoned |
| 00:10.53 | abrotman | thingfish: not chkn |
| 00:10.54 | liable | yuck |
| 00:10.54 | stoned | man chicken liver huh |
| 00:11.00 | thingfish | and if you're sassy add some hot pepper |
| 00:11.01 | grendelson | thingfish, ewww sorry never ever could eat liver! |
| 00:11.04 | abrotman | oh well .. totally OT |
| 00:11.13 | stoned | abrotman, you're an ot |
| 00:11.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:11.19 | thingfish | oh I don't care, I love cow liver, chicken liver, whatever. |
| 00:11.31 | stoned | I love cow brains |
| 00:11.39 | streuner | ihh |
| 00:11.39 | Jenkens | i love lamp |
| 00:11.41 | thingfish | yeah but come on it's friday night and it's happy hour. |
| 00:11.48 | tralala | I have supercow powers!!! |
| 00:11.56 | stoned | no they eat that a lot |
| 00:12.02 | thingfish | stoned: how can you love cow brains - it's all texture, no flavor. |
| 00:12.12 | stoned | not raw of course, cooked, with thick chunks of meat and spicy gravey and freshly made pita bread |
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| 00:12.24 | thingfish | oh well hey that sounds nice. |
| 00:12.29 | stoned | it is nice |
| 00:12.29 | waiting | stoned: PITA bread? |
| 00:12.33 | streuner | When will the thread of d-p end? |
| 00:12.33 | waiting | stoned: ewww |
| 00:12.38 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:12.55 | tralala | stoned: and you're going to be revenged for all my fellow cows whose brains you've sucked! |
| 00:13.13 | streuner | this tread goes the whole day |
| 00:13.31 | thingfish | waiting: what are you some american cheese eating midwestern redneck hotdog and green beans type person? ;) |
| 00:13.33 | waiting | .o(the footer should have a white background) |
| 00:13.45 | stoned | lol |
| 00:13.48 | stoned | don't forget chilli |
| 00:13.53 | stoned | hormel chilli |
| 00:14.09 | deadcat | strange thing. i have a file mime-type jpeg but the name of the file is .png and dillo/link2 WONT show it.. is dillo/link2 being a bitch here? |
| 00:14.11 | streuner | http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/07/msg00190.html |
| 00:14.13 | stoned | and maynaise sandwichies |
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| 00:14.40 | ddime | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.22 | ddime | My serve got to a "kinda mess" status with just little tricking with perl and now pretty much notting works, anyone interested to help with this.? |
| 00:15.30 | waiting | deadcat: is it a mail attachment? |
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| 00:15.58 | deadcat | waiting: what you mean? its a screenshot in my photo gallery |
| 00:16.28 | waiting | deadcat: just wondering. I don't know what link2 is |
| 00:16.57 | deadcat | waiting: both are lightweight browsers. |
| 00:17.20 | waiting | deadcat: ahh, well apache assigns content-type according to filename suffix |
| 00:17.24 | deadcat | links2. oops |
| 00:18.00 | waiting | so it says in HTTP header this is a png cause it matches *.png |
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| 00:20.20 | tvn | Is there a "desktop search" on linux ? |
| 00:20.51 | waiting | tvn: xterm -e "find ~/Desktop | less" |
| 00:21.54 | deadcat | tvn: beagle |
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| 00:22.38 | tvn | deadcat: it's not packaged in Sarge ? |
| 00:22.41 | Jenkens | good god. what happened to pizza innovation in the last 3 years ? frozen pizza used to suck. but all these freschettas and digornos are freakin fab |
| 00:22.48 | ddime | So dkgp and apt-get are screwing my system up, anyone up to help me up a bit.? |
| 00:22.54 | Guerin | no, because all the evil desktop search apps are post-sarge |
| 00:23.01 | deadcat | tvn: nope. dont even think its in unstable yet. |
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| 00:23.21 | ddime | .? |
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| 00:23.30 | waiting | deadcat: it is |
| 00:23.33 | deadcat | tvn: it IS in unstable (= beagle - indexing and search tool for your personal data |
| 00:23.50 | ddime | Camoon, fellas. I know you could. |
| 00:24.07 | ddime | Really drstrated with this after trying with debian-sites and google but no help. |
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| 00:24.15 | abrotman | ddime: i think we need some more info |
| 00:24.15 | tvn | deadcat: yeh but unfortunately I only use Sarge ... will attempt to manually compile it |
| 00:24.20 | factor | does anyone know how enable DCC send / rec from a unregisted person. |
| 00:24.23 | Guerin | ddime: something's fucked. That's all I can say. Apart from the fact that you blame apt and dpkg for what is likely your own stupidity |
| 00:24.24 | ddime | Well I post you few things. |
| 00:24.25 | factor | on this network? |
| 00:24.36 | Guerin | factor: register |
| 00:24.37 | deadcat | tvn: good luck... |
| 00:25.17 | factor | guerin:I am creating a program that logs on and grabs files from a bot. not very good at getting my program to auto register yet. |
| 00:25.44 | Guerin | not possible |
| 00:25.52 | Guerin | factor: get it to auto-register |
| 00:25.57 | factor | right |
| 00:26.06 | factor | that is not an easy step. |
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| 00:26.24 | factor | I will have to write in a register in my program |
| 00:26.35 | factor | it just does not have that capabiliy yet. |
| 00:26.40 | Jenkens | if it's going to be used by more than one person you may have problems with multiple username registration or idenfitication too |
| 00:26.45 | ddime | Here about my probs: |
| 00:26.47 | Guerin | well, without that step, you're not going to be able to proceed |
| 00:26.48 | factor | and I would like to test it, before having to write that in |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | factor: this is the wrong channel for that |
| 00:26.55 | ddime | http://paste.arkku.net/?id=106349943644caab3b7b86a |
| 00:27.02 | waiting | auto-_registering_ would be the wrong thing to do :OOO |
| 00:27.09 | factor | which channel abrotman? |
| 00:27.09 | waiting | auto-identify :) |
| 00:27.11 | Guerin | yeah |
| 00:27.16 | ddime | ap-get update, upgrade and clean tried out. |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | factor: maybe the channel you're writing it in? |
| 00:27.32 | abrotman | it certainly has nothing to do with debian |
| 00:27.48 | Guerin | ddime: apt-get -f install; |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | ddime: paste your sources |
| 00:27.57 | factor | well this is more of a problem with the netowrk not the program. |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | Guerin: that's the command he ran |
| 00:28.10 | Guerin | ddime: you probably need to fix or replace that broken postrm script with soething that returns true |
| 00:28.10 | factor | dont know if freenode has it own channel? |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | like #freenode? |
| 00:28.19 | Guerin | abrotman: bah, right you are |
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| 00:28.30 | ddime | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.33 | Guerin | factor: ask in #your_programming_language |
| 00:28.37 | ddime | did not work, I post the sources |
| 00:28.54 | Guerin | Dddime: you probably need to fix or replace that broken postrm script with soething that returns true |
| 00:29.10 | Guerin | FUCK |
| 00:29.15 | Guerin | prerm, not postrm |
| 00:29.21 | ddime | deb ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian testing main |
| 00:29.21 | ddime | deb-src ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian/ testing main |
| 00:29.22 | ddime | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 00:29.30 | ddime | There are my finnish sources. |
| 00:29.38 | ddime | Well not the last one. |
| 00:29.39 | abrotman | finnish sources?!!?!? are you crazy?!?!! |
| 00:29.41 | Guerin | irrelevant |
| 00:29.54 | ddime | abrotman as good as any others, originals tried also. |
| 00:30.05 | abrotman | ddime: have you checked the BTS? |
| 00:30.09 | ddime | BTS.? |
| 00:30.17 | ddime | I think not then :\ |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | !btssmite ddime |
| 00:30.54 | vick | !btssmite vick |
| 00:30.56 | ddime | Runnin stable |
| 00:31.05 | Guerin | ddime: no, you're running testing |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | ddime: uh what do you thnik the word "testing" means ? |
| 00:31.19 | vick | i am running testing |
| 00:31.25 | ddime | Oops, was runnin stable, now unsable. |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | !prize vick |
| 00:31.28 | ddime | unstable* |
| 00:31.31 | Guerin | ddime: no, you're running testing |
| 00:31.33 | abrotman | unstable is not testing |
| 00:31.37 | Guerin | TESTING |
| 00:31.40 | Guerin | jesus |
| 00:31.57 | vick | does that goes for testing too? |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | the bts thing? yes |
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| 00:33.12 | Jenkens | i'm going to stab the repositories |
| 00:33.24 | abrotman | all of them? |
| 00:33.29 | Jenkens | all of 'em |
| 00:33.31 | Jenkens | :p |
| 00:33.35 | ddime | So should I be running stable, testing or unstable.? |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | kind of late now |
| 00:33.50 | waiting | ddime: :O how can we know |
| 00:34.02 | cafuego | Jenkens: Changes are much better that your network connection is busted, as opposed to all repositories ;-) |
| 00:34.06 | abrotman | ddime: mkdir /usr/share/libtool/ .. try again |
| 00:34.09 | cafuego | ddime: stable. |
| 00:34.20 | cafuego | ddime: People who ask that question invariably need stable. |
| 00:34.33 | Jenkens | cafuego: http://axpr.net/?show=617 see problem, consult brain. write suggestion please ;) |
| 00:34.42 | Jenkens | cafuego: yes i've tried a few diff repos's too |
| 00:35.05 | ddime | mkdir helped. |
| 00:35.05 | deadcat | cafuego: back in #debian eh? |
| 00:35.36 | abrotman | ddime: all fixed now ? |
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| 00:37.41 | ddime | Seems so, configuring. I be back when done, thanks anyway a lot fellas \o/ |
| 00:38.07 | ddime | 03:37 AM here so a bit buzzed up. |
| 00:38.26 | deadcat | its 5:38pm here. dont see me complaining |
| 00:38.41 | cafuego | deadcat: idling here for aaaaaaaaaaaaages |
| 00:38.56 | deadcat | cafuego: oh.. |
| 00:39.11 | cafuego | Jenkens: pick main mirror, delete lists; apt-get update |
| 00:39.12 | deadcat | me too actually. (= |
| 00:39.21 | Jenkens | cafuego: did that too :( |
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| 00:39.54 | erka123 | hello |
| 00:40.10 | ar0n | bye |
| 00:40.15 | erka123 | god nigth |
| 00:40.31 | cafuego | ./nick vorlon; ./say i have always been here |
| 00:40.48 | erka123 | </nick> |
| 00:40.52 | erka123 | oups |
| 00:40.56 | erka123 | i'm sorry |
| 00:41.09 | abrotman | anyone wanna place bets? |
| 00:41.13 | stoned | sure |
| 00:41.16 | stoned | on what? |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | guess |
| 00:41.23 | Jenkens | cafuego: http://axpr.net/?show=618 |
| 00:41.23 | cafuego | abrotman: you batcha |
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| 00:41.34 | Guerin | PRACE YOUR BETS!!!! |
| 00:41.41 | Guerin | BETTING END!! |
| 00:41.43 | erka123 | i cant be registred on freenode |
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| 00:41.52 | Guerin | erka123: you can so too be |
| 00:42.02 | cafuego | Jenkens: Oh, I see. Your problem is that you're using sparc. |
| 00:42.20 | Jenkens | oh that's my problem? :po |
| 00:42.28 | Jenkens | ;) |
| 00:42.40 | Jenkens | i think the repos are janky today |
| 00:42.41 | Jenkens | meh |
| 00:42.46 | cafuego | Jenkens: I reckon then there might be a minor issue with the Package files ;-) |
| 00:42.51 | cafuego | the sparc ones anyway |
| 00:42.54 | abrotman | Jenkens: you could manually check |
| 00:43.05 | ddime | Ok everything fine until this but one prob. The problem which was before this is still there, this is screwing up, when adding users: |
| 00:43.08 | ddime | Setting up ssl-cert (1.0.13) ... |
| 00:43.11 | ddime | Can't locate Debian/AdduserCommon.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/sbin/addgroup line 74. |
| 00:43.15 | ddime | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/addgroup line 74. |
| 00:43.17 | ddime | chown: `root:ssl-cert': invalid group |
| 00:43.20 | ddime | chgrp: invalid group name `ssl-cert' |
| 00:43.27 | dondelelcaro | ddime: please stop pasting here. |
| 00:44.01 | Jenkens | abrotman: alright, i've never done that? |
| 00:44.06 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.23 | stoned | cafuego, hungry much |
| 00:44.27 | abrotman | ddime: how did you mess up your machine so badly? |
| 00:44.29 | stoned | ehehhee |
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| 00:44.54 | cafuego | stoned: It's for the cats mate, I'm not a student and actally HAVE money. |
| 00:45.39 | ddime | abrotman: as said, almost 0400 AM here and debian is a stranger as a distro for me (: There are my excuses, sorry ones. |
| 00:45.53 | Guerin | go to sleep |
| 00:45.58 | Guerin | worry about it in the morning |
| 00:45.58 | Jenkens | abrotman: how would i go about that? |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | Jenkens: i'm looking moment |
| 00:46.06 | Jenkens | oh, sorry |
| 00:46.06 | HYPOCRISY | I'll think about it |
| 00:46.10 | Guerin | why do people alwayschoose the stupidest time to try and fix they shit? |
| 00:46.45 | Jenkens | i'll brb. |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | Jenkens: well .. i'm not sure if md5sum on sparc generates the same on x86 .. but they indeed do not match |
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| 00:49.08 | sobersabre | hi all |
| 00:49.22 | sobersabre | [off topic] does anybody here know arabic ? |
| 00:50.18 | ugly | ALLAH AKBAR |
| 00:50.22 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 00:50.37 | sobersabre | ugly do you know arabic ? |
| 00:50.52 | ugly | besides that phrase? no :D |
| 00:51.00 | sobersabre | thought so... |
| 00:51.23 | ugly | SHWARMA AKBAR |
| 00:51.26 | sobersabre | better learn 'salam aleikum' |
| 00:51.36 | abrotman | ugly: stop |
| 00:51.51 | ugly | offended already? |
| 00:52.29 | sobersabre | ugly, you've said "big shwarma" ... or something similar. |
| 00:52.42 | ugly | praise shwarma! |
| 00:52.56 | sobersabre | hm.. akhbar is 'big' . |
| 00:53.05 | stoned | there be no grabbin |
| 00:53.08 | ugly | allah akbar does not mean "big allah" |
| 00:53.18 | stoned | akbar == great |
| 00:53.22 | sobersabre | no. it means allah is great |
| 00:53.27 | ugly | lame |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | ok .. take it to #arabic |
| 00:53.34 | sobersabre | ok! |
| 00:53.51 | stoned | ugly, stop being a dick |
| 00:54.05 | sobersabre | the problem is I am not sure I will be not banned there... and that people will talk to me there in english at all. |
| 00:54.05 | ugly | soooo sensitive |
| 00:54.14 | sobersabre | i'll try. |
| 00:54.32 | stoned | sobersabre, you speak english well enough.. what is your question/problem? just ask |
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| 00:54.58 | abrotman | is it a debian question? |
| 00:55.07 | sobersabre | it's not technical, it is linguistic. so i prefer it to be done in a query. |
| 00:55.12 | stoned | abrotman, well we're about to find out |
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| 00:55.21 | sobersabre | abrotman i've told it's [OT] |
| 00:55.24 | stoned | sobersabre, not debian related, then sorry no |
| 00:56.05 | sobersabre | hell, why is it so hard to communicate nowadays. |
| 00:56.09 | Agrajag- | gday, does anyone know if sata device names have changed or something in 2.6.17? i've compiled a new kernel but get kernel panic because it can't find /dev/sda1. right now im using 2.6.15 (normal testing package) which has the same grub options (root=/dev/sda1). i copied the .config from /boot from 2.6.15 for 2.6.17 and did make oldconfig, so i dont know what i could be missing? |
| 00:56.10 | sobersabre | even over irc. |
| 00:56.22 | ddime | http://paste.arkku.net/?id=186658001044cab22e72a0f |
| 00:56.23 | stoned | abrotman, I have another interview at dell on monday! this time for tech support position. They called me today and said when can you start for the sales position. I'm like dude, you just called me yesterday telling me I had an interview on monday with the tech support manager, wth is going on |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 00:56.37 | stoned | abrotman, so I dunno, if this turn out to be better, I might just go for tech support |
| 00:56.38 | ddime | Last pastepost, check out and give some wise words (: |
| 00:56.44 | liable | Agrajag-: you didnt make an initrd? |
| 00:56.59 | abrotman | !find Debian/AdduserCommon.pm etch |
| 00:57.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Debian/AdduserCommon.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm) in admin/adduser. |
| 00:57.14 | Agrajag- | liable: hmm could be right - all i did was 'make-kpkg -r Custom.1 kernel_image' and installed what that gave me |
| 00:57.25 | abrotman | ddime: install adduser |
| 00:57.33 | sobersabre | bye #debian. |
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| 00:57.41 | ddime | with apt-get, I try |
| 00:57.42 | liable | Agrajag-: go make an intrd or reconfigure your kernel |
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| 00:59.30 | ddime | Everything in order, thanks mates. Back to bed -> |
| 01:00.52 | tvn | My Deb installation right now is on a 10 Gig Hd, I want to replace it with a bigger HD .. what's a good method to copy *everything* over the new HD ? The 10 gigs has 4 partitions (1 being a windows, hda1) |
| 01:00.54 | Agrajag- | liable: hmm im trying to find up to date docs for using make-kpkg. from the man page, i figure all im supposed to do instead is "make-kpkg --initrd -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" ? |
| 01:02.11 | liable | Agrajag-: i guess. i dount use initrd.. :) |
| 01:02.21 | Agrajag- | ok i'll give that a try, ta |
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| 01:03.28 | Jenkens | abrotman: so you got the same error? |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | i don't have a sparc .. but the md5s don't match |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 01:03.44 | dpkg | sparc is, like, the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 01:05.07 | Jenkens | well it was working earlier in the day |
| 01:05.13 | Jenkens | so who the hell knows |
| 01:05.22 | Jenkens | how did you fetch the package and check the md5sum? |
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| 01:11.38 | Jenkens | uughhhh |
| 01:11.48 | Jenkens | my stomach hates me now |
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| 01:17.16 | clearance | anyone offering shells? |
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| 01:17.28 | Ronin | clearance: yep lots of folks really cheap too |
| 01:17.45 | clearance | I was looking for something like free or a trade |
| 01:18.14 | Ronin | clearance: no such thing as free, dont be so cheap just go buy one |
| 01:18.25 | clearance | free exists |
| 01:18.32 | clearance | :) |
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| 01:19.43 | Ronin | uh huh |
| 01:19.59 | clearance | You don't look very hard my friend |
| 01:20.01 | dbe | clearance, What do you want to do? |
| 01:20.17 | Ronin | man clearance shells are dirt cheap spend the damn $5 |
| 01:20.31 | clearance | I don't work, I'm a student |
| 01:20.40 | clearance | and I do not have a credit card ,not a checking account |
| 01:20.47 | clearance | I'd like to IRC dbe |
| 01:20.50 | dbe | Ronin, BASH is free. |
| 01:21.19 | clearance | remote bash |
| 01:21.28 | dbe | clearance, SSH or VNC? |
| 01:21.33 | Ronin | dbe: true but still not a shell in the sence theyre looking for |
| 01:21.34 | clearance | SSH |
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| 01:21.51 | keito | anyone else having problems accessing cdimage.debian.org? |
| 01:21.55 | dbe | clearance, Ok. so what's your problem then? |
| 01:21.59 | Ronin | clearance: you can still aford and pay for a shell even being a student, you just dont want/need it enough |
| 01:22.02 | buford | is the something similar to xev but for console or ncurses? |
| 01:22.16 | Jenkens | my stomach hates lifeeeeeee |
| 01:22.17 | Jenkens | ugh |
| 01:22.31 | clearance | Ronin, I just know there is no reason to pay when a multitude of people are offering free servers with reasonable TOS |
| 01:22.39 | dbe | Ronin, He's lookin for help, not for a trading account |
| 01:22.48 | buford | clearance: don't you get a shell with your universitiy if you're a student? |
| 01:22.56 | clearance | no |
| 01:23.10 | Ronin | dbe: he's looking for a free shell, nothing related to debian at all so the least we can do is point him to the correct area |
| 01:23.37 | dbe | clearance, Try UTUTO. |
| 01:23.54 | clearance | Usually I would work with people on nodramairc and help with security and I'd have usually have a shell on a dedi with a workload of about .01 |
| 01:23.56 | Killlancer | hi anyone with a clue how I can aktivete a wlan pcima card? (alredy configured it whith iwconfig but it dont find anything) |
| 01:24.09 | buford | i'm just looking for some way to capture keypresses of any key including control keys like xev but i don't have X |
| 01:24.13 | dbe | clearance, But you want a free shell, Debian uses BASH which is free so what do you want really?= |
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| 01:24.35 | clearance | I would like ssh access on a system so I can use BitchX remotely |
| 01:24.58 | clearance | I'm a careful IRCer |
| 01:25.01 | Ronin | like i said 5 dollar a month man, even a student can afford that |
| 01:25.25 | dbe | clearance, Get the user ID and the pass then or install the remote files for SSH. |
| 01:25.30 | clearance | bnc would be nice even |
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| 01:25.50 | clearance | sigh |
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| 01:25.54 | Killlancer | hi anyone with a clue how I can aktivete a wlan pcima card? (alredy configured it whith iwconfig but it dont find anything) |
| 01:26.47 | dbe | Lame. |
| 01:26.50 | dbe | # Generate a public SSH key (id_rsa.pub). |
| 01:26.51 | dbe | ssh-keygen -t rsa |
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| 01:27.37 | Killlancer | hi anyone with a clue how I can aktivete a wlan pcima card? (alredy configured it whith iwconfig but it dont find anything) |
| 01:27.43 | Maulkin | !repeat |
| 01:27.43 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:28.06 | dbe | Hello L4m3r I just said "Lame" so how can I help you? |
| 01:28.14 | L4m3r | :) |
| 01:28.44 | dbe | Maulkin, Hi. |
| 01:28.45 | L4m3r | well, I've been messing with GTK to get the UI to match for gnome apps in KDE |
| 01:28.54 | Maulkin | erm... hi :) |
| 01:29.05 | L4m3r | and all of the sudden, the little icons in the K menu vanished |
| 01:29.28 | L4m3r | and now the bouncing icon on my cursor is a gray box when I launch an application as well |
| 01:30.03 | dbe | L4m3r, Your'e lame because you use KDE and not GNOME. |
| 01:30.03 | L4m3r | :) |
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| 01:30.11 | Ronin | dbe: or your lame because you use gnome :) |
| 01:30.21 | dbe | L4m3r, Don't hate me, this is the real reason why we communicate =). |
| 01:30.23 | Ronin | !wm war |
| 01:30.28 | Killlancer | dbe thets not the subject |
| 01:30.28 | dbe | Ronin, Shut up! |
| 01:30.28 | Ronin | damn thats not it :) |
| 01:30.39 | L4m3r | anyone know how I can fix my icons? |
| 01:30.44 | cafuego | You are both lame because you can't bloody spell. |
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| 01:31.15 | Killlancer | will you stopp fighting and start helping the poor guy? |
| 01:31.20 | dbe | I rekonize cafuego since #debian. |
| 01:31.31 | Ronin | cafuego: never said i could, im just a dumb redneck prarie boy after all,heck i cant even spell prarie correctly :) |
| 01:31.35 | stoned | calm down |
| 01:31.39 | Guerin | beyond help? |
| 01:31.41 | dbe | Thank you. |
| 01:31.48 | cafuego | Guerin: there is that, too ;-) |
| 01:31.53 | Maulkin | Can we bring this back on topic please. |
| 01:31.54 | dbe | Guerin, Hi. =0). |
| 01:31.55 | Maulkin | Thanks. |
| 01:31.57 | Killlancer | did you ceck out your image folders? |
| 01:32.02 | L4m3r | where are they at? |
| 01:32.10 | cafuego | These furball control things taste great! |
| 01:32.13 | dbe | Hacker beyond the limits, hopeless. |
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| 01:32.43 | Killlancer | Im not sure but if you klick on the icon in te profertic there you sure will see |
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| 01:33.00 | Killlancer | if xou wait a minit I will lock for you |
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| 01:33.12 | dbe | This is not #kde-debian my friend L4m3r. |
| 01:33.28 | cafuego | Killlancer: Does syslog show you that the card is detected when you insert it? Does it show up if you 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 01:33.31 | dbe | Shut up about KDE in ther pls. |
| 01:33.34 | Killlancer | thets not the subjekt anyway dbe |
| 01:34.02 | L4m3r | there's a #kde-debian? |
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| 01:34.07 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 01:34.12 | Ronin | L4m3r: serioulsy have you tried a kde specific channel? |
| 01:34.15 | dbe | L4m3r, Try it. |
| 01:34.25 | cafuego | L4m3r: #debian-kde I think |
| 01:34.28 | Ronin | damn it, beers just not helping my crappy typing at all tonight |
| 01:34.41 | L4m3r | cafuego: yes, thx |
| 01:34.46 | dbe | yeah cafuego. |
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| 01:35.14 | dazjorz | iig |
| 01:35.15 | dazjorz | err |
| 01:35.16 | dazjorz | oops |
| 01:35.24 | dbe | dazjorz, ? |
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| 01:35.51 | dazjorz | The wireless interfaces is ALMOST working perfectly |
| 01:35.54 | dazjorz | the bcm43xx |
| 01:35.59 | dazjorz | with linux kernel 2.6.17.7 |
| 01:36.06 | dazjorz | I can scan... |
| 01:36.07 | cafuego | dazjorz: Yeh, provided you have a 4306 ;-) |
| 01:36.17 | dazjorz | I can set the wireless information... |
| 01:36.17 | dazjorz | cafuego: I seem to do ;) |
| 01:36.25 | cafuego | dazjorz: Does it give signal strength info yet? |
| 01:36.28 | dazjorz | I can see my own wireless network wandering around... |
| 01:36.31 | dazjorz | Just 1 thing... |
| 01:36.33 | dazjorz | I can't connect. |
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| 01:36.41 | cafuego | dazjorz: <heh> |
| 01:36.47 | dazjorz | Broadcasting gives nothing, can't ping the AP nor gateway |
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| 01:36.58 | dazjorz | with either dhcp or static in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:36.59 | killown | chkconfig it is in what package? |
| 01:37.10 | cafuego | killown: in redhat |
| 01:37.28 | killown | cafuego... thanks |
| 01:37.38 | dbe | Where the fck is ams anyway? |
| 01:37.49 | dazjorz | lol |
| 01:37.51 | cafuego | dbe: The Netherlands |
| 01:37.56 | dazjorz | Just like me! |
| 01:37.56 | dazjorz | oh |
| 01:38.11 | dbe | cafuego, No he's in Umeå, the town I came from. |
| 01:38.25 | meppl | gugu |
| 01:38.30 | dazjorz | Someone told me to do 'route -n > pastebin' |
| 01:38.31 | cafuego | dbe: No, it's the airport code for Schiphol, the airport near Amsterdam. |
| 01:38.34 | dazjorz | so gonna reboot to try that now |
| 01:38.36 | dbe | He's from Poland if you wonder cafuego. |
| 01:38.48 | Guerin | dazjorz: it's not going to work how you think |
| 01:39.00 | dazjorz | Guerin: He wants the information =/ |
| 01:39.20 | dbe | cafuego, Why did you belive that ams were from the neatherlands? |
| 01:39.22 | Guerin | dazjorz: but if you type that command, he's not going to get that information |
| 01:39.35 | dazjorz | GUerin: well duh >_< |
| 01:39.50 | cafuego | dbe: It's not a matter of believing, but of knowing. |
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| 01:40.10 | dazjorz | Guerin: just going to save the output to a file on my windows partition, reboot, and put the file on a pastebin.. duh |
| 01:40.16 | dbe | cafuego, Ok. He's from Poland in my knowledge and I know him a bit. |
| 01:40.20 | dazjorz | Guerin: i'm not so much noob |
| 01:40.34 | cafuego | dbe: "AMS" is the airport code for Schiphol, the airport near Amsterdam. |
| 01:41.01 | dbe | cafuego, Cool. are you from the Netherlands as well? |
| 01:41.10 | cafuego | dbe: originally, yes |
| 01:41.18 | dbe | cafuego, Nice. |
| 01:42.11 | dbe | cafuego, I regonize you strongly from #debian. |
| 01:42.33 | cafuego | dbe: I've been furniture here for years, so that's not particularly surprising. |
| 01:42.46 | dbe | cafuego, Oh. |
| 01:43.00 | dbe | cafuego, "welcome" then =). |
| 01:43.03 | bucky | like ikea |
| 01:43.08 | dvs | funiture? |
| 01:43.13 | dbe | bucky, I hate IKEA. |
| 01:43.51 | bucky | i have an ikea cd that helps you sleep at night... with the sound of the rain forest being cut down |
| 01:43.57 | dbe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikea#Criticisms |
| 01:44.10 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:44.25 | dbe | Thats why. I hate every corporation on earth. |
| 01:44.31 | Ronin | bah dbe |
| 01:44.36 | dbe | Ronin, ? |
| 01:44.58 | bucky | dbe: good.. then you'll hate all the commercial linux distros |
| 01:45.10 | Ronin | name anything and someone somewhere will have an axe to grind about it, i say get over it |
| 01:45.37 | dbe | bucky, Corporations has nothing to do with commercialism. |
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| 01:45.55 | bucky | i cut up my ikea coffe table and made a guitar out of it |
| 01:46.00 | dbe | bucky, Commercialism is very imporant for our community infact! |
| 01:46.24 | dbe | bucky, Fine. |
| 01:46.29 | bucky | dbe: take ubuntu for example |
| 01:46.32 | dbe | I have notning to hide. |
| 01:46.43 | Maulkin | Ok... |
| 01:46.51 | Maulkin | This is going WAY off tipic now. |
| 01:46.51 | epsilon | I have a cronscript with ' echo -e "\a" ' in a line, which I want to cause aacoustic bell - but it only outputs the echo into file and mails me instead. Do I need to redirect the output to stdout something to make it bell? |
| 01:46.51 | dbe | bucky, I hate proprietary software like theirs sure. |
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| 01:47.06 | dbe | bucky, So what? |
| 01:47.07 | Ronin | Maulkin: well it is friday night, even geeks need a break |
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| 01:47.27 | Maulkin | Can we please keep it related to Debian while there are people here wanting support? Otherwise, chat away :) |
| 01:47.33 | dbe | Shut up or chat then. |
| 01:47.37 | Maulkin | Or go to #debian-offtopic. |
| 01:48.08 | dbe | Nobody cares, this is an "open chat" is nobody ask about GNU specific questions. |
| 01:48.16 | Ronin | Maulkin: then we would never talk :) folks will ask questions and be answerd when they can as always :) |
| 01:48.18 | peterS | what was the third option we're not supposed to exercise, besides shutting up and chatting? |
| 01:48.20 | stoned | debian sucks |
| 01:48.24 | Maulkin | dbe: Read the channel topic. |
| 01:48.29 | dbe | For the free software movement. |
| 01:48.41 | dbe | Maulkin, I have set the topic several times. |
| 01:48.57 | dbe | Maulkin, So what do you want to say really? |
| 01:48.59 | Maulkin | dbe: Then I suggest you read it, and the links posted in it. Specifially, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:49.08 | stoned | well, I tried to change the subject |
| 01:49.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.23 | bucky | hahaha |
| 01:49.33 | peterS | enouf: you're offtopic too, listen to Uncle Maulkin |
| 01:49.45 | enouf | I'm gone bozo |
| 01:50.01 | stoned | antisocial dinglenuts |
| 01:50.10 | dbe | enouf, You don't even know what the global justice movement is about. |
| 01:50.16 | stoned | internet+porn is to blame for this |
| 01:50.22 | stoned | and chatting too |
| 01:50.34 | asg | stoned: dinglenuts? |
| 01:50.42 | stoned | man I tried to be cute :D |
| 01:50.42 | Ronin | hey now dont blame porn stoned :) |
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| 01:50.45 | dbe | enouf. is a peice of crap IMO. |
| 01:51.29 | danf_1979 | after compiling openssh, how may I start the service? there is no ssh entry in /etc/init.d/ and the compile process finished without errors.. any one knows? |
| 01:51.48 | dbe | If anyone else is with enoug, pls PM me. |
| 01:51.57 | asg | danf_1979: why are you compiling it when there is a perfectly servicable version that is apt-gettable? |
| 01:51.58 | dbe | I'd like to chat about the global justice movement. |
| 01:52.06 | peterS | dbe: do it somewhere else, then, please |
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| 01:52.10 | asg | dbe: try #politics |
| 01:52.12 | danf_1979 | Yes, it the chroot version |
| 01:52.23 | danf_1979 | is there any chroot version in the repos? |
| 01:52.29 | dbe | peterS, asg No really they started it. |
| 01:52.36 | peterS | dbe: doesn't matter. take it elsewhere. |
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| 01:52.54 | Maulkin | I don't care who started it. move the conversation. Thanks |
| 01:52.58 | dbe | peterS, Thank you for your help with Bash btw =). |
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| 01:53.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 01:53.20 | epsilon | danf_1979: take the init.d script from the debian package and modify yourself |
| 01:53.22 | peterS | I helped you with bash? I don't remember actually |
| 01:53.39 | danf_1979 | Ok epsilon, thanks for that tip! |
| 01:53.41 | asg | peterS: did you bash(6) him? |
| 01:53.45 | dbe | peterS, My name was sifi-xs or something at the time. |
| 01:54.01 | Maulkin | dbe: It's nothing personal. This is a busy channel. Sorry. |
| 01:54.12 | kalthare | is cdimage.debian.org down? |
| 01:54.12 | dbe | Maulkin, Not usallly. |
| 01:54.25 | asg | peterS: congratulations on ops, by the way |
| 01:54.51 | peterS | asg: thanks, I don't think I should have been next in line, but I'm always happy to see more (IMO) responsible people available for Channel Discipline |
| 01:54.54 | stoned | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6213107990246462105&q=debian <--- very cute and debian related |
| 01:54.57 | asg | kalthare: PING cdimage.debian.org (130.239.18.151) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 01:54.57 | asg | 64 bytes from farbror.acc.umu.se (130.239.18.151): icmp_seq=1 ttl=36 time=161 ms |
| 01:55.06 | dbe | asg, You have helped me with Bash as well. |
| 01:55.35 | asg | peterS: well, you've always been measured an fair ... a good choice |
| 01:55.41 | asg | *and |
| 01:55.41 | peterS | asg: thanks (: |
| 01:56.06 | kalthare | asg, I can't get any complete responses from the web server |
| 01:56.13 | danf_1979 | Ok, found it. /usr/sbin/sshd. Uhm, now it gives an error when I try to execute it as /usr/sbin/sshd. It says: "Privilege separation user sshd does not exist" |
| 01:56.16 | danf_1979 | any clues? |
| 01:56.18 | dbe | cafuego, peterS and asg I know you from #debian and #bash. |
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| 01:56.36 | Melchor34 | Te invitamos a que conozcas algo muy interesante y divertido, eso si, no nos hacemos responsables si te crea adiccion... /!\ www.misecretito.com.ar /!\ |
| 01:56.36 | asg | kalthare: yes, it looks like it's hanging / crashed |
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| 01:56.43 | peterS | nobody knows me from #bash. or from #shell. (don't join the latter, btw.) |
| 01:56.50 | asg | hehe |
| 01:56.57 | Jenkens | is the cdimage server down right now? |
| 01:56.58 | cafuego | oooh naughty op ;-) |
| 01:57.10 | asg | Jenkens: it's up, the web piece is not working apparently |
| 01:57.12 | dbe | peterS, then it must be #debian as I mentioned. |
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| 01:57.23 | Jenkens | asg: hrmm alright |
| 01:57.24 | peterS | cafuego: if I'd not put the warning in, _then_ I'd be a naughty op |
| 01:57.35 | stoned | highely developed species of monkey |
| 01:57.40 | dbe | peterS, Because i don't forgot a name like that. |
| 01:57.42 | stoned | pretend I can spell |
| 01:58.10 | peterS | dbe: there's one channel I share with peterz. not too hard to get those two names confused. |
| 01:58.12 | asg | stoned: are you bob2 in disguise? |
| 01:58.16 | stoned | huh |
| 01:58.18 | stoned | fuck bob2 |
| 01:58.23 | stoned | no I'm not bob2 :D |
| 01:58.29 | dbe | peterS, I know you nick ok? |
| 01:58.32 | asg | stoned: he was notorious for bad spelling |
| 01:58.41 | stoned | asg, no its my wireless keyboard |
| 01:58.43 | kalthare | is there anywhere else to get the testing cd images? |
| 01:59.13 | asg | stoned: ouch, all those pass{words,phrases} floating around in the ether |
| 01:59.20 | stoned | huh |
| 01:59.28 | stoned | oh |
| 01:59.31 | Jenkens | asg: oh man that ftp is hurting.. |
| 01:59.35 | stoned | yes I suppose so |
| 01:59.47 | Jenkens | alright, chug along lil ftp |
| 02:00.08 | stoned | I usually look at my network card and say move along little packet |
| 02:00.34 | stoned | I used to call my brother that all the time when we were kids, hey, whats up little packet, move along now |
| 02:00.38 | stoned | and stuff |
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| 02:01.56 | stoned | is there anyway to load an X extension like composite without having to restart X |
| 02:02.05 | cafuego | stoned: nope |
| 02:02.21 | stoned | cafuego, didn't think so |
| 02:02.34 | cafuego | I know you are, but what am I? |
| 02:02.47 | stoned | huh |
| 02:02.58 | dazjorz | gh |
| 02:02.59 | dazjorz | ugh |
| 02:03.06 | dazjorz | what do I do if I can set everything for a wlan card, eth1 |
| 02:03.09 | dazjorz | but can't connect? |
| 02:03.12 | j4cbo | how can i convert a dvd from PAL to NTSC |
| 02:03.13 | j4cbo | ? |
| 02:03.23 | dazjorz | route -n gives: 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:03.26 | cafuego | dazjorz: check the pci id, check the firmware. |
| 02:03.35 | dazjorz | cafuego: all working fine |
| 02:03.43 | dazjorz | cafuego: I can scan, I can even see my own wireless network |
| 02:03.48 | dazjorz | cafuego: Just can't connect to it |
| 02:03.59 | cafuego | dazjorz: You appear to not have a default route |
| 02:04.04 | dazjorz | cafuego: I guess so |
| 02:04.11 | dazjorz | cafuego: how do I set that up? |
| 02:04.16 | cafuego | dazjorz: missing a 'gateway' entry in interfaces |
| 02:04.16 | stoned | j4cbo, google it man, first find out what needs to be done, how the encoding is done, what steps are taken, then look for programs that can accomplish that. In debian I use acidrip for ripping, and mencoder for transcoding but I've never tried to convert PAL to NTSC |
| 02:04.20 | cafuego | with your router IP |
| 02:04.50 | dazjorz | cafuego: sec, i'm gonna search for a program to let me access the linux drive under windows |
| 02:04.55 | dazjorz | ext3 for windows or something like that |
| 02:05.02 | stoned | j4cbo, you can always rip as whatever, but export the transcoded .vob files (which you burn on dvd) as PAL or NTSC whatver |
| 02:05.04 | stoned | I dunno |
| 02:05.04 | cafuego | dazjorz: explore3fs / ext2fsd |
| 02:05.08 | cafuego | s/3/2/ |
| 02:05.13 | dazjorz | ok, i'll check that |
| 02:05.17 | peterS | dbe: wtf, enouf went away 15 minutes ago. why bother to ignore him now? |
| 02:05.34 | asg | peterS: he's /msg'ing him apparently |
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| 02:05.39 | cafuego | peterS: alcohol |
| 02:05.39 | j4cbo | stoned: yeah, ripping it isn't the problem, it's the frame rate conversion i'm wondering aboyt |
| 02:05.41 | j4cbo | about |
| 02:05.43 | dbe | peterS, Why do you bother to share that with me? |
| 02:05.49 | dazjorz | cafuego: nope, both no |
| 02:06.03 | dazjorz | cafuego: there's only ext3fsd says google |
| 02:06.05 | peterS | dbe: I'm wondering why you are telling the channel about some action that has no relevance to us whatsoever |
| 02:06.06 | cafuego | dazjorz: what do you mean? |
| 02:06.13 | cafuego | dazjorz: google is full of shit |
| 02:06.16 | dazjorz | cafuego: explode3fs doesn't do much either |
| 02:06.19 | stoned | j4cbo, you'll have to look up in-detail dvd transcoding/converting. use google, then we can help you find programs in debian repositories about that, other than that, its not debian related |
| 02:06.21 | dbe | peterS, Because hes point had was useless. |
| 02:06.27 | asg | cafuego: and their appliances are ugly |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | drop it? |
| 02:06.28 | cafuego | explore2fs and ext2fsd both exist. |
| 02:06.35 | dazjorz | cafuego: yeah but its ext3 |
| 02:06.46 | peterS | dbe: your last sentence made no sense |
| 02:06.57 | Guerin | dbe is drunk |
| 02:06.59 | dbe | peterS, You don't even know me. |
| 02:07.06 | cafuego | peterS: dbe has been hitting the beer bottles a tad too hard |
| 02:07.09 | Guerin | and probably should not be in charge of a computer |
| 02:07.14 | stoned | man, don't nobody know nobody in here |
| 02:07.18 | dbe | Guerin, Yeah, but I'm full of thoughts. |
| 02:07.25 | Guerin | drunk people always are |
| 02:07.27 | cafuego | dbe: No, full of beer. |
| 02:07.28 | peterS | dbe: not the only thing you're full of |
| 02:07.32 | dbe | =) |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | Guerin: Hey .. Y'all watch this ... |
| 02:07.39 | stoned | apart from the people who know other people |
| 02:07.42 | dbe | Whatever. |
| 02:07.47 | Guerin | they also tend to think their thoughts are of interest to other people |
| 02:07.50 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | hmm... whatever is the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 02:07.53 | peterS | dbe: if some of those thoughts don't pertain to Debian, you seriously ought to take them elsewhere |
| 02:08.05 | dazjorz | dbe: how many glasses? ;) |
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| 02:08.16 | Guerin | abrotman: me all whatch what? |
| 02:08.17 | dbe | peterS, I am really drunked. Sorry. |
| 02:08.21 | peterS | dazjorz: don't encourage him |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | Guerin: redneck saying :) |
| 02:08.28 | stoned | dbe, then maybe you shouldn't be here |
| 02:08.34 | dazjorz | peterS: ok |
| 02:08.35 | Guerin | abrotman: hotdamn! |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:08.50 | stoned | dbe, go elsewhere for the time being and enjoy your drunkenness. If you can't control you feelings, then don't drink so much |
| 02:08.54 | dbe | peterS, I am rally sorry. |
| 02:08.57 | stoned | no offence, just trying to end it all |
| 02:09.17 | dbe | stoned, It's cool. |
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| 02:09.37 | asg | it's easy to end it all, all you have to do is type '/quit' |
| 02:09.43 | stoned | its not easy |
| 02:09.50 | stoned | hell its not even legal where I live |
| 02:09.54 | asg | stoned: or CTRL+A+D |
| 02:09.57 | peterS | or /disco ball, as they say. that ends it too. |
| 02:10.22 | dazjorz | aren't there any programs _meant_ for ext3 on windows? |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | explore3fs |
| 02:10.31 | asg | dazjorz: yes, the ones mentioned above |
| 02:10.41 | stoned | In the land of the free, its not even legal to end it all if you want to :( some liberty |
| 02:10.43 | dazjorz | sg: ok |
| 02:10.45 | dazjorz | asg* |
| 02:11.03 | asg | dazjorz: if you want to interface Windows and anything else, plain old FAT is your best bet. |
| 02:11.20 | stoned | I am still waiting for the stable version of the ReiserFS windows device driver. It natively mounts RFS disks as windows drives |
| 02:11.21 | asg | stoned: It's only illegal if you fail |
| 02:11.30 | Guerin | stable reiserfs |
| 02:11.31 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:11.42 | stoned | asg, my point is, if its a stupid law, then don't have it.. right? |
| 02:12.04 | stoned | Guerin, years man, YEARS... and not a single problem with rfs |
| 02:12.13 | stoned | Guerin, you a bandwagoner? |
| 02:12.18 | dazjorz | asg: I'm trying to get from Windows onto my ext3 disk, not linux to fat32 |
| 02:12.18 | asg | stoned: blue laws my friend, blue laws. In Virginia, it's still illegal for a woman to re-arrange the furniture without her husbands consent. |
| 02:12.19 | Guerin | no |
| 02:12.23 | Guerin | reiserfs ate my daqta |
| 02:12.30 | Guerin | reiser4 was better, though |
| 02:12.34 | asg | dazjorz: then create a separate fat partition that both can share. |
| 02:12.41 | dvs | asg: as it should be. ;-) |
| 02:12.42 | Guerin | but still not as reliable as e3 |
| 02:12.49 | stoned | I understand your umm... where you're coming from. hehe |
| 02:12.51 | dazjorz | asg: i need to edit files from windows. |
| 02:13.06 | asg | dazjorz: which you can do if said files are on a FAT partition |
| 02:13.11 | dazjorz | asg: argh |
| 02:13.11 | Maulkin | Right... Do maintianance for pending dtabase cluster upgrade - tick! Mark the latest flamewar on debian-devel as read - tick! Get elected to board of SPI - tick! I'm done. Laters all. |
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| 02:13.22 | stoned | dazjorz, I find that colinux + samba work really well |
| 02:13.35 | dazjorz | asg: Linux configuration files, okay? And I don't want all the repartitioning mess |
| 02:13.44 | dazjorz | asg: Its just something easy that I did before |
| 02:13.47 | dazjorz | just need to find the programs for it |
| 02:13.54 | asg | Maulkin: you forgot the bit about a good curry. |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | Maulkin: congrats |
| 02:14.04 | Jenkens | ugh damn cablemodem gets slow as balls at peak hours. i miss my dsl already |
| 02:14.05 | stoned | dazjorz, if you have resources to spare, use vmware or something, player is free, plus sarge images are free |
| 02:14.10 | dazjorz | stoned: Its a dual boot machine in which I need to access the other drive |
| 02:14.22 | dazjorz | stoned: so samba isn't running |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | asg: Maulkin is probably going to disney world tomorrow |
| 02:14.45 | dazjorz | stoned: and vmware isn't what i want to do |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | dazjorz: try explore3fs |
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| 02:15.02 | asg | abrotman: he can hang with pauly |
| 02:15.03 | stoned | dazjorz, run colinux on windows, tell it to mount your physical disk, install samba on colinux, set it up to work with windows, very easy |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 02:15.29 | stoned | dazjorz, you can accomplish the same task with vmware or virtualpc or any kind of virtualiaing |
| 02:15.35 | stoned | zing* |
| 02:15.47 | asg | stoned: I still don't know wtf he wants to edit stuff on a Linux filesystem from Windows. |
| 02:15.57 | stoned | dazjorz, once setup, its much better than trying to find windows version of programs to read from linux file systems |
| 02:16.10 | bucky | there's a read only version |
| 02:16.13 | stoned | asg, YES and ffs its entirely possible and very easily |
| 02:16.15 | dazjorz | abrotman: i've searched on google, but there seems to be no page really about explore3fs... is it on sf? |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | explore2fs .. whatever |
| 02:16.24 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 02:16.24 | asg | stoned: but why would anyone want to? |
| 02:16.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 02:16.31 | bucky | dazjorz: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs |
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| 02:16.55 | dazjorz | stoned: there are drivers for ext3 that i can load into windows and then i can "mount" linux drives to drive letters |
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| 02:17.01 | asg | stoned: using Windows to play the odd game is bad enough. Editing things is a horrible supposition. |
| 02:17.02 | stoned | asg, because you can access ANY file system that linux supports under windows, mountpoint in linux is mounted as a samba drive in windows, and you can even give it right permisisons and edit stuff like he wants |
| 02:17.09 | stoned | hardly any latency because its all heppening on localhost |
| 02:17.40 | stoned | asg, I'm only trying to help him with what he asked |
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| 02:17.52 | dazjorz | "mapping ext3" |
| 02:18.00 | dazjorz | ? |
| 02:18.06 | Jenkens | nazy wazy |
| 02:18.11 | stoned | !colinux |
| 02:18.12 | dpkg | i heard colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 02:18.28 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 02:18.36 | *** kick/#debian [turbobot!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-64-123-112-152.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 02:18.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 02:18.49 | dazjorz | peterS++ |
| 02:19.16 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with people in toronto? |
| 02:19.30 | dvs | elvis is in the area |
| 02:19.34 | asg | abrotman: not enough hormone injected meat |
| 02:19.34 | zinx | toronto california? |
| 02:19.42 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 02:19.47 | Jenkens | it's canuckia, what do you expect? :p |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | zinx: what? |
| 02:19.48 | dvs | no, for real |
| 02:19.50 | peterS | toronto california is probably pretty hot these days |
| 02:20.03 | zinx | abrotman: we get telemarketers calling from "Toronto, CA" :/ |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 02:20.25 | Alam_Debian | How do get the DNS server list, and DNS cache? |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | the list? |
| 02:20.38 | peterS | oh, never mind, I was thinking of Ontaria, California |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:20.43 | asg | Alam_Debian: apt-cache search dns? |
| 02:20.51 | zinx | peterS: we get those too :D |
| 02:21.24 | Alam_Debian | no, the list of server for DNS resolve |
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| 02:21.54 | dazjorz | Oh great |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | !confuse Alam_Debian |
| 02:21.55 | dpkg | No, those was our badger today, Alam_Debian? shirts of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 02:22.12 | dazjorz | the program was Ext2 Installable File System, the ext2ifs you gave me |
| 02:22.14 | dazjorz | thanks ! :D |
| 02:23.00 | Alam_Debian | I need to see what DNS server this computer use to resolve domain names... |
| 02:23.11 | peterS | Alam_Debian: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | didn't i say that? |
| 02:23.35 | dazjorz | cafuego, "missing a gateway entry in interfaces" |
| 02:23.39 | bucky | that's twice now |
| 02:23.39 | dazjorz | cafuego: i was using dhcp |
| 02:23.43 | asg | abrotman: you did but you were unconvincing |
| 02:23.44 | peterS | abrotman: yeah but then you confused him |
| 02:23.48 | dazjorz | cafuego: I guess dhcp doesn't go so well through the AP |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | peterS: i showed him a shiny nickel |
| 02:23.57 | dazjorz | cafuego: it's another device as my router, maybe they clas |
| 02:23.58 | dazjorz | clash* |
| 02:24.03 | dazjorz | or collide |
| 02:24.17 | asg | NP: London Calling |
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| 02:24.25 | peterS | abrotman: courtesy of the weimar republic of northern zambia with extra mayo |
| 02:24.34 | abrotman | peterS: i like mayo |
| 02:24.47 | asg | abrotman: so do I funnily enough |
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| 02:24.58 | abrotman | asg: it has eggs in it |
| 02:25.03 | peterS | who knew you could get something that good out of just eggs and oil, and a dash of mustard? |
| 02:25.08 | asg | abrotman: yes, that's why I said 'funnily enough' |
| 02:25.18 | Alam_Debian | ok, now how to find if something is caching DNS? |
| 02:25.27 | peterS | Alam_Debian: if you have the 'nscd' package installed, that probably is. |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | asg: isn't there melted cheese in mayo too ? |
| 02:26.06 | asg | Alam_Debian: what are you doing such that you think something is caching DNS? |
| 02:26.16 | abrotman | and why does it matter? |
| 02:26.17 | asg | abrotman: not at all |
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| 02:26.40 | Alam_Debian | for redirect |
| 02:26.41 | abrotman | asg: i had liver for dindin! |
| 02:26.41 | asg | abrotman: he may be going through a squid proxy run by someone else that is caching it and wondering why things are broken |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | for redirect? |
| 02:27.04 | asg | abrotman: I had cheese, peanuts, crackers, and beer. Our ERP system went tits-up so nothing fancy here |
| 02:27.22 | abrotman | asg: and mrs asg is still on siesta ? |
| 02:27.36 | asg | abrotman: no, she's back and hating the heat. |
| 02:27.42 | abrotman | it's not even hot! |
| 02:27.59 | asg | abrotman: it felt like 100F here today. She was in .mx and it was in the low 70s |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | it's only 100F |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | jeez .. wussies |
| 02:28.42 | abrotman | Gnea: how hot was it today? |
| 02:28.46 | asg | abrotman: I have delicate glands |
| 02:29.18 | abrotman | asg: shortens the sex eh ? |
| 02:29.55 | Alam_Debian | got it, 1st DNS server still had the old DNS entry... |
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| 02:30.07 | asg | abrotman: friction is you enemy when it's hot. |
| 02:30.10 | asg | *your |
| 02:30.17 | abrotman | asg: use more lube? |
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| 02:30.31 | asg | abrotman: like shortning? |
| 02:30.34 | abrotman | asg: lard |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | none of that fancy crisco crap |
| 02:30.48 | alex_ | Anyone have any suggestions for an order management system? Something that sticks to inventory management and labeling (no task tracking etc etc) with an XMLRPC/SOAP API would be perfect. I know, offtopic, sry, but it should run on Debian =) |
| 02:30.56 | peterS | I don't know if I need anything with a name like 'shortening' touching that area |
| 02:31.07 | asg | abrotman: ah, greased pig squealin' |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | !qotd174 is <peterS> I don't know if I need anything with a name like 'shortening' touching that area |
| 02:31.22 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 02:31.34 | peterS | oh dear. at least prefix it with <reply> |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | asg: something like that |
| 02:31.35 | asg | oooo, a new pleasure |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
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| 02:31.47 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 02:32.04 | abrotman | dpkg: no qotd174 is reply <peterS> I don't know if I need anything with a name like 'shortening' touching that area |
| 02:32.05 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | better? |
| 02:32.28 | peterS | !qotd174 =~ s/reply /<reply>/ |
| 02:32.28 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 02:32.34 | peterS | better. |
| 02:32.38 | abrotman | oh yeah .. duh |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | alex_: is that all you want ? |
| 02:33.48 | alex_ | Yeah |
| 02:34.06 | peterS | surely he also wants a pony |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | doesn't everyone? |
| 02:34.19 | alex_ | yeah, that's a given =) |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | and a beer |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | life would be sooooo good with a pony, a beer, and a guitar |
| 02:34.45 | abrotman | oh .. and an umbrella hat |
| 02:34.49 | peterS | and a parrot |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | wait .. i'd be a mariachi |
| 02:35.00 | alex_ | but you wouldn't be able to keep track of all your schwag without an inventory management system |
| 02:35.08 | peterS | !alex_++ |
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| 02:37.04 | wakejagr | peterS: i'm not sure how dpkg does qotd's, but what is <reply> supposed to do? /msg dpkg qotd174 seems to return the same thing it did before you ran the substitution |
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| 02:37.53 | asg | peterS: don't forget the little red wagon |
| 02:38.05 | peterS | wakejagr: <reply> suppresses the lame "methinks that" or "a little bird told me that" or "extra, extra, read all about it ..." introductory prefix |
| 02:38.27 | peterS | asg: first things first, get the guy a pony |
| 02:38.29 | wakejagr | peterS: ahaa. thanks |
| 02:38.43 | alex_ | I guess you're assuming that I'm unwilling to pay for software? |
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| 02:38.48 | asg | peterS: or a pair of sneakers with 'pony' written on them |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | !abrotman |
| 02:38.50 | dpkg | somebody said abrotman was someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | suppresses that crap |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | thank god that poll died |
| 02:39.42 | peterS | I disagree with that entire premise |
| 02:39.50 | peterS | it's never _all_ pete's fault |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | it's not *your* fault .. it's pseubodot's fault |
| 02:40.22 | asg | I'm Brian and so is my wife! |
| 02:40.35 | ctd | it has been a general observation of mine that all chaos in the world is caused by people with the name 'peter' |
| 02:41.46 | peterS | stew: you will. when you're sitting in the middle of a lukewarm soup of very small molecules, you'll be a believer. |
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| 02:42.19 | asg | with beef chunks? |
| 02:42.24 | stew | i'm actually warmer tham lukewarm |
| 02:42.32 | peterS | but are you as warm as luke? |
| 02:42.54 | asg | peterS: I work with a guy named Luke and he was beaten up by lesbians |
| 02:43.00 | stew | peterS: if you are going to start making 90210 references, i'm not going to get them |
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| 02:43.21 | peterS | stew: I've only made around 45105 references by now. halfway there. |
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| 02:43.43 | peterS | asg: did he do some defensive groping as he went down? |
| 02:44.02 | asg | peterS: no, he was too busy grabbing for his teaball |
| 02:44.03 | peterS | ('went down' meaning in a fight. sheesh, get your minds out of the gutter.) |
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| 02:48.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:48.54 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:49.11 | mandingo | heh |
| 02:49.33 | asg | apt-get install cowsay ; cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 02:49.36 | minerale | when I run dpkg -l a lot of packages come up, many of them ones that I no longer have installed... how can I list installed packages |
| 02:49.53 | asg | minerale: dpkg -l | egrep ^[hi]i |
| 02:49.58 | mandingo | dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 02:49.58 | dpkg | ii | grep ii 2.6-4.3 mandingo's private stamp collection |
| 02:50.06 | mandingo | whee! |
| 02:50.26 | cafuego | there we go, open ap up. |
| 02:50.44 | minerale | thanks asg, mandingo |
| 02:50.51 | asg | cafuego: so you can blame your pr0n downloads on the kiddies down the street? |
| 02:51.02 | cafuego | asg: Nope |
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| 02:51.15 | cafuego | asg: It's rate limited, so pr0n would be annoyingly slow |
| 02:51.46 | asg | cafuego: well, 21st century pr0n would be but it's probably much faster than early 90's BBS pr0n. |
| 02:51.53 | cafuego | asg: well true |
| 02:52.34 | asg | cafuego: 128Kbit / hour is |
| 02:52.41 | cafuego | No, /se |
| 02:52.43 | cafuego | c |
| 02:52.58 | asg | cafuego: you're spoiled ;) |
| 02:53.20 | cafuego | Not nearlt as spoiled as I will be shortly, when ADSL2+ is enabled |
| 02:53.47 | asg | cafuego: not bad |
| 02:53.50 | zinx | when i was a kid, we had to wait days just to get a single 16-color pcx of a woman in lingerie! |
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| 02:54.03 | keram | how do you update from sid to etch? |
| 02:54.09 | asg | zinx: and when it arrived, it was abrotman in a hat. |
| 02:54.15 | asg | keram: you don't |
| 02:54.15 | cafuego | keram: No. |
| 02:54.17 | zinx | asg: yes! |
| 02:54.24 | mandingo | keram: change you sources.list file and do an apt-get dist upgrade |
| 02:54.27 | cafuego | keram: that would be a downgrade, and you don't. |
| 02:54.30 | mandingo | err dist-upgrade |
| 02:54.30 | asg | zinx: he's a kinky devil that one, you should watch out. |
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| 02:54.56 | keram | well from unstable to testing |
| 02:55.05 | mandingo | eh? |
| 02:55.06 | mandingo | yeah |
| 02:55.08 | mandingo | no downgrade |
| 02:55.09 | mandingo | heh |
| 02:55.09 | cafuego | keram: that would be a downgrade, and you don't. |
| 02:55.15 | keram | thats a downgrade?! |
| 02:55.23 | cafuego | keram: Oddly, yes! |
| 02:55.41 | keram | lol |
| 02:55.44 | keram | okay |
| 02:55.54 | keram | well i just did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on my unstable box |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | why are you guys looking at me in a hat? |
| 02:55.59 | cafuego | keram: If you're sick of unstable and want something that breaks less often, back up your data and install osmething that breaks less often. |
| 02:56.03 | keram | and its keeping a mess of packages back |
| 02:56.03 | asg | keram: stable (currently sarge) -> testing (currently etch) -> unstable (always going to be sid) |
| 02:56.07 | keram | and i'm wondering why? |
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| 02:56.28 | cafuego | keram: Because it's "UNSTABLE". Which part of that name doesn't make sense? |
| 02:56.38 | keram | oh |
| 02:56.41 | keram | :/ |
| 02:56.48 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 02:57.07 | keram | libmudflap0 libmudflap0-dev libssp0 libstdc++6 libstdc++6-4.1-dev |
| 02:57.07 | keram | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.07 | keram | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.07 | keram | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.07 | keram | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.20 | zinx | cafuego: well, to be honest, the 'B' could be a little more well-defined. |
| 02:57.20 | asg | simonrvn: make sure to add some mint sauce and a little sour cream |
| 02:57.37 | cafuego | zinx: "unstabble" looks retarded ;-) |
| 02:57.44 | Jenkens | what happens when the debian team runs out of worthy names from toy story |
| 02:57.50 | cafuego | and fome some reason makes me think i need to shave |
| 02:57.54 | zinx | cafuego: Nah, i mean, a better font |
| 02:58.00 | asg | Jenkens: SPI pays Disney to make TS III |
| 02:58.15 | Jenkens | good luck with that |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | Jenkens: there's a list somewhere .. they have something like 10 more release names |
| 02:58.41 | Jenkens | abrotman: so.. like 60 more years? :p |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | something like that |
| 02:59.49 | simonrvn | asg: sour cream :) (even though i get bad gas :/) |
| 03:00.01 | asg | simonrvn: bah, that's the best part! |
| 03:00.04 | Jenkens | i cant believe they blew 'buzz' off as one of the first releases |
| 03:00.07 | cafuego | hmm, sour cream |
| 03:00.09 | Jenkens | and saved woody for 3.0 |
| 03:00.11 | Jenkens | wtf is that |
| 03:00.28 | abrotman | dude .. it's a nickname |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | get over it |
| 03:00.36 | Jenkens | no way mannnnnnn |
| 03:00.37 | cafuego | I can't belive they think they'll get 4.0 out the door in the same decade as 3.1! |
| 03:00.47 | asg | Jenkens: they would have used ballgag if they could |
| 03:00.55 | simonrvn | i can't believe it's not butter |
| 03:01.00 | zinx | cafuego: hahah, yeah, that's a riot |
| 03:01.04 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 03:01.12 | minerale | how may I determin what IP gets used when I ssh somewhere? I have installed tspc (tunnel for freenet6) and when I ssh in certain computers it defaults to ipv6 (which is being tunneled through ipv4, thus slower) |
| 03:01.14 | Jenkens | bawlssssssss |
| 03:01.29 | zinx | debian has been steadily increasing the time between releases |
| 03:01.44 | simonrvn | i gotta get ready for tomorrow... haven't even packed yet |
| 03:01.49 | Jenkens | zinx: the distribution is steadily becoming more bloated between releases. |
| 03:01.57 | asg | minerale: the IP will be that of the interface out of which the default gateway goes. |
| 03:02.44 | zinx | Jenkens: what? |
| 03:02.51 | zinx | Jenkens: sarge is only 14 CDs |
| 03:03.02 | Jenkens | right |
| 03:03.17 | asg | Jenkens: my custom Live CD (bootcd) is only 200M |
| 03:03.18 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 03:03.19 | ravenbird | Yes I'm online |
| 03:03.27 | asg | +squawk |
| 03:03.36 | asg | @squawk |
| 03:03.40 | simonrvn | @caw |
| 03:03.48 | Jenkens | asg; that doesn't defend the fact that distributions as a whole have gotten bloated... |
| 03:04.01 | Jenkens | i remember when slackware could fit on like 5 floppies |
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| 03:04.12 | asg | Jenkens: so do I |
| 03:04.13 | newbcoder | does debian have any support for user mode linux? |
| 03:04.26 | dondelelcaro | newbcoder: there's some support for uml, yes. |
| 03:04.38 | asg | newbcoder: apt-cache search user-mode-linux |
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| 03:05.01 | simonrvn | @caw |
| 03:05.01 | ravenbird | CAW! CAW! CAW! CAW! |
| 03:05.03 | Jenkens | TIMMAH |
| 03:06.00 | simonrvn | @squawk |
| 03:06.01 | ravenbird | I don't squawk, I'm a bot |
| 03:06.07 | asg | Jenkens: distros get bloated because more software is written. That doesn't mean you have to install it all. |
| 03:06.29 | Jenkens | asg; true, but more software gets written, so more testing gets done, the more testing that gets done the bigger the gap between releases. |
| 03:06.32 | dondelelcaro | the software that is written also does more and more |
| 03:06.40 | Jenkens | hence why 'debian's releases have been getting further and further apart' |
| 03:06.41 | simonrvn | what are you going to do with a 250 GB HDD then? ;p |
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| 03:06.51 | dondelelcaro | Jenkens: that's only a small part of it |
| 03:06.54 | peterS | simonrvn: the power of pr0n |
| 03:06.56 | asg | Jenkens: that's been more a function of policy and politics than software |
| 03:07.01 | abrotman | Jenkens: i can't find it in english .. but here's a list http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/2004/09/msg00009.html |
| 03:07.16 | simonrvn | peterS: hehe |
| 03:07.17 | asg | peterS: is that a Huey Lewis and the News song? |
| 03:07.23 | dondelelcaro | the distance between releases has other things involved with it as well, like RC bugs not being fixed and other release blockers not being taken care of. |
| 03:07.25 | abrotman | oh duh .. it's in the email |
| 03:07.29 | peterS | asg: yes |
| 03:07.34 | simonrvn | the censored version is the known one |
| 03:07.47 | newbcoder | dondelelcaro, asg : all I get back is user-mode-linux-doc; no actual kernel packages |
| 03:07.52 | asg | peterS: nice |
| 03:07.58 | Jenkens | dondelelcaro: most of which comes from non critical components. |
| 03:08.15 | peterS | asg: actually, no, it's Huey Lewis and the n00b |
| 03:08.22 | simonrvn | n00d |
| 03:08.30 | peterS | he is _not_ in the n00d |
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| 03:08.41 | asg | newbcoder: you might have to compile your own if you run sarge. It's quite trivial though. |
| 03:08.46 | Jenkens | huey lewis. hah i love that whole bit in american psycho |
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| 03:09.23 | asg | "Is that a friend of my dads?" -- Bobcat Goldwaith on Huey Lewis |
| 03:09.36 | dondelelcaro | Jenkens: actually, no... RC bugs in non-critial components are removed aggressively. |
| 03:09.44 | Jenkens | i dont think i've ever seen anyone quote bobcat before. |
| 03:09.58 | asg | *Goldthwait |
| 03:10.28 | Jenkens | the sparc repos are still jacked up |
| 03:10.29 | Jenkens | mannnnnnnnn |
| 03:10.51 | Jenkens | ohwell, nothin that can't wait i guess |
| 03:11.07 | asg | Jenkens: jacked up in what way? They seem fine here |
| 03:11.38 | Jenkens | asg: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 03:11.45 | Jenkens | 4 more just like it |
| 03:11.49 | Jenkens | been that way since 4pm CST |
| 03:11.53 | asg | Jenkens: try a different mirror |
| 03:11.57 | Jenkens | asg: i have, 3 |
| 03:12.03 | Jenkens | they're all whacked out |
| 03:12.27 | MustangMatt | How do I un-chroot postfix? |
| 03:12.44 | asg | Jenkens: hmmm, okay. All my sparc machines are up to date so I can't verify that error |
| 03:13.15 | Jenkens | asg: abrotman verified it earlier, he checked the md5sum against the repos and got a mismatch too |
| 03:13.16 | asg | Jenkens: oh, you're running etch. Can't help you there. |
| 03:13.34 | Jenkens | not sure how he did that, but whatever. |
| 03:14.05 | abrotman | magic |
| 03:14.09 | Jenkens | indeed |
| 03:14.11 | Jenkens | *waves wand* |
| 03:14.19 | abrotman | waves hand? |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | wands are for amateurs |
| 03:14.40 | peterS | of course you should check bash.org for what wand really means |
| 03:14.45 | Jenkens | the jedi used wands, but they called them light sabres |
| 03:14.50 | Jenkens | amateur? |
| 03:15.10 | peterS | I also think the singular of 'jedi' should be 'jedo' |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | jedee ? |
| 03:15.20 | peterS | or possibly 'jedus' |
| 03:15.35 | asg | peterS: I'd go with jed |
| 03:15.51 | peterS | of course, as neither Latin nor Italian have the letter j, it is really iedus or iedo |
| 03:15.54 | Jenkens | i'd go with 'dude' |
| 03:16.08 | Jenkens | well the dude is a name no one would self apply where i come from |
| 03:16.15 | Jenkens | but there's a lot about the dude that didn't make much sense.. |
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| 03:16.35 | abrotman | did we just enter big lebowski territory? |
| 03:16.38 | asg | peterS: putting your Indiana Jones knowledge to good use. |
| 03:16.39 | Jenkens | ohsnap! |
| 03:16.42 | Jenkens | yeah we did |
| 03:16.49 | peterS | asg: ha |
| 03:16.50 | Jenkens | dude: but i need my johnson |
| 03:16.54 | Jenkens | <donny> what do you need that for dude |
| 03:16.56 | abrotman | Jenkens: can you never ever do that again :) |
| 03:17.01 | peterS | asg: indiana never said _italian_ lacks a j too, though (: |
| 03:17.06 | Jenkens | abrotman: BL>********************* |
| 03:17.35 | asg | peterS: that was lost on the cutting room floor. |
| 03:17.45 | Jenkens | jackie treehorn wants the see the deadbeat lebowski |
| 03:17.50 | Jenkens | you're not dealing with idiots |
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| 03:18.59 | abrotman | we are .. it's #debian |
| 03:19.09 | poonj | hey guys...I'm trying to configure pam to work with LDAP. In the howto, which is written for redhat, uses authconfig to modify the file /etc/pam.d/system-auth. What is the configuration for that in debian? |
| 03:19.17 | peterS | abrotman: but it won't be sunday for ... oh crap, that *is* coming up in another 24 hours |
| 03:19.27 | asg | poonj: /etc/pam.d/common-auth |
| 03:19.27 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:19.36 | poonj | oh okay |
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| 03:20.10 | Jenkens | i cut my mind on the jagged sky |
| 03:20.16 | Jenkens | just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in |
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| 03:20.48 | peterS | if this is about a jagged sky, would you say your condition is 'air conditioned'? |
| 03:20.57 | cafuego | Jenkens: is the new dvd out yet? |
| 03:21.05 | Jenkens | cafuego: like months ago, man |
| 03:21.08 | cafuego | shit |
| 03:21.13 | cafuego | far out |
| 03:21.18 | Jenkens | cafuego: you missed the ultimate achiever edition |
| 03:21.30 | Jenkens | came with big lebowski playing cards and a bar towel |
| 03:21.33 | Jenkens | and somethin else |
| 03:21.47 | cafuego | Jenkens: undoubtedly not in .au |
| 03:21.58 | cafuego | wee bottle of kahlua? |
| 03:21.58 | Jenkens | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A7DVY0/104-0110196-4036752?v=glance&n=130 |
| 03:23.17 | Jenkens | everythings a travesty with you walter, what was that shit about vietnam? |
| 03:23.55 | Jenkens | i think i have W^Sobchak registered on freenode as my alternate nick |
| 03:24.41 | W^Sobchak | yep |
| 03:25.27 | Jenkens | mark it zero! |
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| 03:26.16 | Killlancer | hi I have a nooblike qest :( is it ok in this channel? |
| 03:26.26 | Jenkens | dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 03:26.56 | Killlancer | what is the diferens betwehn sid and etch |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | !releases |
| 03:27.20 | dpkg | i heard releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 03:27.23 | MustangMatt | How do I remove postfix from it's chroot environment? |
| 03:27.25 | cafuego | etch is what you are maybe allowed run run, you are not allowed to run sid. |
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| 03:27.46 | cafuego | MustangMatt: edit the /etc/postfix/master.cf file (check the chroot coumn) |
| 03:28.10 | Killlancer | way arend Im allow to run sid? |
| 03:28.16 | MustangMatt | cafuego: On this line? 127.0.0.1:10025 unix n - - - - smtpd |
| 03:28.31 | Jenkens | Killlancer: it's perpetually unstable (sid is the nickname for the unstable branch of debian) |
| 03:29.51 | Killlancer | but its not ferbiden or something like this? |
| 03:30.02 | Killlancer | is it? |
| 03:30.15 | Jenkens | if you are new it's certainly not suggested. |
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| 03:30.26 | Jenkens | most people wont help you if you have questions running sid |
| 03:30.28 | Achille__ | does anyone use tspc for ipv6 connectivity with freenet6? I'm trying to figure out if reverse dns is possible |
| 03:31.02 | peterS | Achille__: reverse DNS has nothing much to do with tspc, everything to do with freenet6 and your DNS provider |
| 03:31.15 | Killlancer | well thx gread channel |
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| 03:32.06 | cafuego | MustangMatt: for instance, yes. |
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| 03:32.30 | MustangMatt | cafuego: Is a '-' the same as a 'n' on that line? |
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| 03:33.23 | MustangMatt | So the third column is chroot and it was set to '-' and I changed it to 'n' and restarted postfix but still no go. |
| 03:33.25 | cafuego | MustangMatt: See the columns headers, they indicate the default |
| 03:33.56 | cafuego | Achille__: Yes, it's possible, but only if you get a /48 or /64 subnet. |
| 03:35.00 | peterS | hmmm, I'm facing an interesting bit of recursion. I've Got "I've Got You Under My Skin" Under My Skin |
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| 03:35.16 | H2OyJaBoN | i'm trying make a "dist-upgrade" and receive this msg "Unable to fech some archives"... what must i do? |
| 03:35.51 | peterS | H2OyJaBoN: just try again - sometimes it's due to a mirror lagging or something equally harmless |
| 03:35.55 | cafuego | H2OyJaBoN: Run 'apt-get update' |
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| 03:36.57 | Achille__ | cafuego: I have a 64 subnet from freenet6, but they don't allow any setup on their end (other than username + password) |
| 03:37.17 | cafuego | Achille__: correct, you set a dns server in the tspc.conf file |
| 03:37.21 | H2OyJaBoN | peterS, cafuego so is it "normal" ? |
| 03:37.32 | cafuego | H2OyJaBoN: it happens soemtimes, yes |
| 03:37.39 | peterS | H2OyJaBoN: it means something's out of date. either your package index ('apt-get update' as cafuego says) or the mirror you just used |
| 03:38.12 | H2OyJaBoN | ok thankS i'll go to try again! |
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| 03:46.40 | ugly | if I DIDN'T want the pcspkr module to be loaded by discover (?), how would I prevent that |
| 03:47.51 | peterS | !blacklist |
| 03:47.51 | dpkg | blacklist is probably Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 03:47.55 | peterS | ugly: see what dpkg just said |
| 03:48.04 | ugly | thanks |
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| 03:50.05 | Rothgar` | Anyone got some models of NICS that work nice with both Debian and VMware, my onboard VIA is being a pain in the ass |
| 03:50.48 | the_mug | hey guys what does this mean: WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6/Module.symvers is missing; ??? besides the obvious. I'm trying to compile the stupid cisco vpn client into the kernel |
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| 03:55.45 | peterS | Rothgar`: doesn't vmware just use the host nic, without its own driver? I know debian supports the via rhine series just fine |
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| 04:03.45 | liable | the_mug: are you compiling against the source? have you confgured it and made the headers? |
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| 04:06.35 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 04:08.00 | hunterp_ | i need a program that writes to a file , somewhere between cat and tee |
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| 04:14.41 | the_mug | liable: well yes to your first question... and I'm not exactly sure on the last two |
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| 04:15.38 | liable | the_mug: try installing kernel headers and compiling it then |
| 04:16.42 | the_mug | liable: I have the headers and source installed ... I can see them under /usr/src/ is there anything else I need to be doing? |
| 04:17.42 | liable | the_mug: is there a configure flag you can set, to point it to /lib/modules/$9uname -r)/build ?? |
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| 04:19.08 | pinky | Is there a .deb for Debian for WINE that's newer than the one in testing/sid (which is 0.9.15)? |
| 04:19.38 | liable | the_mug: i dont even know if thats the problem, but sounds like you are compiling it against unconfigured sources |
| 04:19.43 | pinky | The latest version of WINE is now 0.9.18, and I was wondering if a third-party had packaged it for Debian. |
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| 04:19.57 | pinky | Or even 0.9.17 ... |
| 04:20.02 | the_mug | liable: it asks me where the modules are: Directory containing linux kernel source code [/lib/modules/2.6.15-26-686/build] and it gives out warnings but compiles... then it gripes about the .ko not being the right format |
| 04:20.15 | MustangMatt | Why would postfix/smtpd send mail out from the server itself, but not from external connections that authenticate? |
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| 04:22.10 | the_mug | liable: how would I go about configuring my sources then? |
| 04:22.27 | liable | the_mug: check to see what version of gcc the kernel was compiled with. make sure you are using the same version of gcc |
| 04:22.37 | the_mug | liable: is it a matter of copying my config from /boot and make menuconfig etc.... |
| 04:23.00 | liable | the_mug: copy the config, and 'make prepare' should do it |
| 04:23.04 | zob000 | anone: i am trying to set the fqdn on my sarge server. altho i am putting /etc/hostname correctly the system is not detecting it. only when i pass hostname <hname> that things start working. rebooting screws it |
| 04:23.25 | zob000 | i meant anone ! |
| 04:23.32 | zob000 | i meant anyone ! |
| 04:23.36 | zob000 | tow! |
| 04:23.46 | liable | !hostname |
| 04:23.46 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 04:23.48 | the_mug | liable: ok sounds like a step in the right direction... (i've compiled kernels and such before... it's just this cisco crap that's a pain!) |
| 04:24.48 | zob000 | liable, i did that exactly ... the reason i know it works is as soon as i *manually* pass it the the fqdn is set correctly |
| 04:24.57 | the_mug | liable: and I copy the config to my linux-source NOT my linuex-header right? |
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| 04:25.28 | liable | the_mug: yeah, just the config, name it .config of course. :) |
| 04:25.49 | zob000 | liable, i have another server with the /etc/hostname and /hosts set if i change anything and reboot it works like a charm |
| 04:26.11 | zob000 | liable, is there any other file that the system uses ? |
| 04:26.19 | liable | zob000: strange. no idea why it wouldnt work. |
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| 04:37.40 | unix_infidel | anyone here use gnome-chess? |
| 04:37.47 | unix_infidel | how exactly do you set it up to an online server to play. |
| 04:37.59 | unix_infidel | i'm REALLY trying to avoid java clients like those available on freechess or Yahoo! chess |
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| 04:43.14 | lunitik | unix_infidel: look at the recommends etc of gnome-chess ... I think crafty provides online capabilities, gnome-chess just provides the frontend afaik |
| 04:43.34 | lunitik | unix_infidel: I've tried phalanx before, and that uses crafty too... |
| 04:44.10 | unix_infidel | lunitik: crafty? |
| 04:44.38 | unix_infidel | lunitik: i'm looking to connect to an online server. |
| 04:44.51 | lunitik | unix_infidel: actually... I was thinking of knights ... which has online capabilities |
| 04:45.04 | hunterp_ | i dont want logrotate to ever delete logs, how can i specify this |
| 04:45.09 | cafuego | Anyone know how to get dhcpd to hand out a different nsfroot for ppc vs. i386 clients? |
| 04:45.22 | unix_infidel | its not very well documented, and it doesnt provide URL's to which servers are free and how to set them up. |
| 04:45.26 | lunitik | unix_infidel: knights also uses crafty (or gnuchess) though... |
| 04:45.55 | unix_infidel | lunitik: know of any servers that are free? |
| 04:46.05 | wakejagr | unix_infidel: i've never used gnome-chess, but if you are just looking for an alternative to yahoo games, look at freechess.org |
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| 04:46.17 | unix_infidel | or documentation on how to setup a client to connect to the server and which servers are supported. |
| 04:46.23 | unix_infidel | wakejagr: right, i'm trying to avoid a java chess client |
| 04:46.35 | lunitik | unix_infidel: knights had a list ... I don't know any off the top of my head though, no |
| 04:46.46 | wakejagr | unix_infidel: xboard is the typical linux client for connecting to the freechess.org servers |
| 04:46.46 | Azar | unix_infidel: you might want to google and read about irssi |
| 04:47.12 | lunitik | Azar: irssi doesn't let you play chess afaik? |
| 04:47.21 | Azar | wow chess? |
| 04:47.31 | lunitik | Azar: you suck at following along |
| 04:47.49 | Azar | I only played mud on an irc client |
| 04:47.50 | unix_infidel | *nod* |
| 04:48.10 | unix_infidel | i'm definately digging knights over gnome-chess though |
| 04:48.29 | lunitik | unix_infidel: I always lose with knights :( |
| 04:48.37 | unix_infidel | lunitik: how do you lose with a client? |
| 04:48.39 | Azar | it must be nice playing chess on irc |
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| 04:48.59 | unix_infidel | lunitik: compared to what other client? |
| 04:49.05 | lunitik | unix_infidel: playing the computer... easy is impossible to lose... next level up is impossible :( |
| 04:49.25 | lunitik | ... to win |
| 04:49.42 | unix_infidel | ahhh. |
| 04:50.23 | unix_infidel | lunitik: knights ships with computer engines? |
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| 04:50.57 | lunitik | unix_infidel: it can use gnuchess or crafty ... just like gnome-chess |
| 04:51.05 | unix_infidel | lunitik: how do change he level? |
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| 04:51.30 | H2OyJaBoN | any solution for that ? |
| 04:51.33 | H2OyJaBoN | dpkg: error processing python-wxgtk2.4 (--configure): |
| 04:51.33 | H2OyJaBoN | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.33 | H2OyJaBoN | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:51.34 | H2OyJaBoN | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:51.40 | unix_infidel | lunitik: knights is REALLY heavy on system resources. |
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| 04:51.43 | lunitik | unix_infidel: I forget, I haven't played it in a while... was pretty obvious though iir |
| 04:51.44 | peterS | that's one solution |
| 04:51.49 | H2OyJaBoN | sorryª |
| 04:52.26 | lunitik | unix_infidel: I don't recall it being so actually... strange... maybe use a different theme? |
| 04:52.50 | lunitik | there's one that was 3d that felt heavy for me :( |
| 04:52.57 | sanrou | how do i set mrxvt such that the cursor is not blocking the character? in xterm if you move the cursor back in the command line, the characters are displayed inversed, but in mrxvt the characters are completely covered by the cursor, this is particularly annoying when you are using vim, as you go back and forth very often. |
| 04:53.09 | unix_infidel | lunitik: ahh, i think gnuchess engine was being nasty. |
| 04:53.37 | lunitik | unix_infidel: I always used crafty... so could be why... |
| 04:53.56 | unix_infidel | lunitik: crafty? |
| 04:54.01 | unix_infidel | another enginge? |
| 04:54.03 | unix_infidel | engine* |
| 04:54.06 | lunitik | unix_infidel: yes... |
| 04:54.14 | lunitik | unix_infidel: apt-cache show crafty |
| 04:54.15 | sng | sanrou: You're going to need not one, not two but rather three goats. Oh and if you happen to have a handy virgin that would be good. |
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| 04:55.36 | peterS | it's in non-free, I believe |
| 04:55.58 | DeathWolf | hello all, anyone knows any binary tool that could mount/read a freebsd disk image? |
| 04:56.04 | lunitik | peterS: ahhh... yes... probably why its second choice recommends :( |
| 04:56.21 | unix_infidel | lunitik: whats first? gnuchess? |
| 04:56.29 | lunitik | unix_infidel: ye |
| 04:56.31 | lunitik | yes* |
| 04:57.00 | unix_infidel | gnuchess is REALLY cpu intensive. |
| 04:57.04 | unix_infidel | oddly enough. |
| 04:57.26 | lunitik | unix_infidel: as the description says though: "performs better than gnu-chess in most positions" |
| 04:57.28 | peterS | there's a chess engine that isn't? |
| 04:57.56 | peterS | I thought being CPU-intensive was necessary for a chess engine, to do the best it can in a limited amount of time |
| 04:58.05 | sng | peterS: The one super secret one. But it's not really spoken of. |
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| 04:59.22 | unix_infidel | lunitik: even when i'm not running gnuchess knights by itself is cpu intensive. |
| 04:59.58 | sng | unix_infidel: Of course it is. How could it possibly not be? |
| 05:00.12 | lunitik | unix_infidel: if you're not running kde, loading kde and qt libs likely amounts for a lot of it... |
| 05:00.38 | lunitik | s/amounts/accounts/ |
| 05:00.46 | sng | Chess is what we like to call a Fucking Hard Problem. Takes a lot of math to solve for it. Oddly enough that math gets done by your proc. |
| 05:00.51 | peterS | if you run knights and pull down the Help -> About dialog, does it say "Ni!" ? |
| 05:01.01 | sng | Like many Fucking Hard Problems this takes a lot of cycles. |
| 05:01.24 | sng | There is, after all, a reason they build Fucking Supercomputers to play chess. |
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| 05:01.30 | lunitik | sng: haha... but knights is just a front end for playing chess if you don't have an engine running |
| 05:01.39 | unix_infidel | sng: even then....if i'm not running an engine...knights by itself is cpuintensive |
| 05:02.13 | sng | Yes. |
| 05:02.29 | sng | That, as we like to say in the biz, Just Makes Sense. |
| 05:02.31 | Azar | I could sense the reply to my question, but I just want to make sure: on a sarge, the latest mozilla-firefox upgrade is just a security patch, or we get a full firefox distro upgrade? |
| 05:02.45 | stew | Azar: security |
| 05:02.51 | Azar | thank you stew |
| 05:02.57 | peterS | sng: can you explain why, since it doesn't actually play chess? |
| 05:03.00 | unix_infidel | lunitik: that might be it. |
| 05:03.03 | unix_infidel | the theme. |
| 05:03.13 | pourriture_ | and Bobby Fischer is proof that we need biological memory and cache |
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| 05:03.53 | lunitik | pourriture_: Bobby Fischer is only proof that too much intelligence isn't good for sanity |
| 05:03.55 | pourriture_ | silicon can't do the job ... I want to feed my b0x3n glucose |
| 05:04.09 | stew | bobby fischer is proof that chess and politics don't mix |
| 05:04.29 | hunterp_ | go and politics mix just fine |
| 05:04.32 | peterS | pourriture_: silicon beat kasparov, which is more than you can say for all but a very few humans |
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| 05:04.46 | stew | i could kick his ass |
| 05:04.51 | peterS | sure, stew |
| 05:04.57 | Cooner750 | What do I do to get ndiswrapper working, and with ndisgtk in Debian? |
| 05:05.00 | stew | not at chess |
| 05:05.03 | H2OyJaBoN | how to fix problem ofthis type ?---> Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 05:05.04 | peterS | oh. right. |
| 05:05.21 | lunitik | !tell Cooner750 about ndiswrapper |
| 05:05.21 | pourriture_ | I bet I could chug a beer faster than Kasparov ;) |
| 05:05.41 | stew | don't underestimate a russian's ability to out drink you |
| 05:05.50 | lunitik | Cooner750: I don't know about ndisgtk though :/ |
| 05:06.16 | pourriture_ | stew, ponyemeyu ... bwil tam ... dyelal |
| 05:06.17 | peterS | is kasparov russian? |
| 05:06.32 | Azar | this is so cool: you all won't believe me but I can see on this Debian Sarge gkrellm monitor when the connection on my other box dies. |
| 05:06.36 | lunitik | peterS: he certainly originates from the area.... |
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| 05:07.29 | Azar | the router sends the signal to gkrellm when the second PC connection dies, that is so cool |
| 05:08.48 | pourriture_ | Bobby Fischer is a series of tubes |
| 05:09.58 | Azar | each person has some kind of acute skill and it might not know it |
| 05:10.09 | lunitik | peterS: Incase you didn't look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kasparov |
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| 05:16.49 | pourriture_ | peterS, you remind me of a funny story ... one of my friends has some bogus charges on his credit card and he was convnced that somebody hacked the WEP on his WIFI ... |
| 05:16.58 | lunitik | They added "Frances" cuz they screwed up though... girls spelling of my real name :/ |
| 05:16.59 | Azar | wow! new Sarge CD with 2.6.16 kernel? I am so amazed |
| 05:17.04 | Azar | does it work? |
| 05:17.24 | pourriture_ | I asked him if he ever paid with credit card when he ate out |
| 05:17.37 | pourriture_ | he didn't get it |
| 05:18.01 | peterS | haha |
| 05:18.03 | pourriture_ | turned out I was right and it was a waitress that hijacked his card |
| 05:19.13 | stew | have you ever used your credit card, ever |
| 05:20.05 | pourriture_ | but he was convinced that 2700 was parked on his lawn ... and it is never anything that cool ... it was the herpes infested, never graduated from high-school, I have a bunch of hickies on my ass waitress |
| 05:20.31 | pourriture_ | stew, not for 5+ years |
| 05:21.47 | Azar | that will be nice to try it on my brand new PC. I wouldn't keep the XP in any situation |
| 05:22.25 | diesel | perhaps I need some handholding...How do I setup LVM when doing a new install of Stable? |
| 05:23.31 | stew | i got a call in the last year from the "security department" because of some "unusual activity on my card". they wanted me to review some charges, they had purchased some computer equipment online, paid for a meal at a restaurant on friday night, and paid my recurring monthly ISP bill. |
| 05:23.38 | lunitik | diesel: partition ... set use for each as LVM ... then go through the LVM wizard ... why do you want LVM though? it really gives you nothing but perty /dev entries :/ |
| 05:23.46 | stew | yeah, bang up job, that was really unusual |
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| 05:25.00 | diesel | lunitik: LVM allows resizing of the disks on the fly |
| 05:25.14 | diesel | lunitik: at least that is my understanding |
| 05:25.17 | lunitik | diesel: you can do that with gparted with normal partitions :/ |
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| 05:25.48 | diesel | lunitik: I have had luck with gparted, but I have always had to boot my machines into the gparted live cd to get that luck |
| 05:25.53 | lunitik | diesel: LVM does allow you to then add new drives to your LVM groups though.... |
| 05:26.43 | lunitik | diesel: shrinking partitions is a pita no matter what (lvm or not) |
| 05:27.25 | diesel | lunitik: awe...there we go...it is in the use option...thanks lunitik |
| 05:27.42 | Dewi | mmm I love a bit of pita |
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| 05:28.31 | lunitik | diesel: they could probably use tweaking the set up of LVM in the installer... not very intuitive right now |
| 05:28.33 | jack8 | hello, I have problems downloading Testing Netinstall |
| 05:28.33 | lunitik | !pita |
| 05:28.34 | dpkg | from memory, pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 05:29.47 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 05:29.53 | lunitik | jack8: downloading it? umm... care to elaborate? |
| 05:30.14 | diesel | lunitik: no, it's not...but that's the debian way...causes you to try and to error |
| 05:30.22 | MustangMatt | Are there any channels for amavis support? |
| 05:30.42 | jack8 | for me the links are dead |
| 05:30.45 | MustangMatt | I don't know what this means: Jul 29 00:29:16 localhost amavis[11979]: (11961-01) run_command: child process [11979] failed to exec /usr/bin/file /var/lib/amavis/amavis-20060729T002916-11961/parts/part-00001: Can't close main::stdin: Bad file descriptor at /usr/sbin/amavisd-new line 1131. |
| 05:30.45 | MustangMatt | Jul 29 00:29:16 localhost amavis[11961]: (11961-01) TROUBLE in check_mail: decoding2-get-file-types FAILED: 'file' utility (/usr/bin/file) failed, status=1 (256 ) at /usr/sbin/amavisd-new line 3853. |
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| 05:31.40 | lunitik | diesel: the Debian Way (tm) is usually intuitive and makes life easier in general... LVM set up is certainly not that... |
| 05:31.43 | Rothgar` | peterS: You still around? |
| 05:31.47 | peterS | maybe |
| 05:31.56 | Rothgar` | I know VMware uses the host NIC |
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| 05:32.06 | Rothgar` | I am getting errors logged to console though |
| 05:32.14 | Rothgar` | People claim the VIA has issues with VMware |
| 05:32.20 | peterS | doesn't vmware also present the guest OS with a specific emulated nic? I forget the type |
| 05:32.42 | Rothgar` | Most likely it must be something to do with the emulation or possible the host drivers |
| 05:32.56 | Rothgar` | In any case most people said just get a new NIC and the problems go away |
| 05:32.58 | Thunderguy | Hey, when I installed my system afterwards I -changed- the partition order so that root is hda5 instead of hda7, BUT whenever Debian updates Grub for any reason ( such as kernel update ) it writes the old root partition info into grub.. |
| 05:33.08 | Rothgar` | So for the $40 it will cost me |
| 05:33.14 | Rothgar` | I am thinking it might be easier |
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| 05:33.41 | lunitik | Thunderguy: does hda7 still contain /boot info? |
| 05:33.55 | Rothgar` | Any suggestions of some decent models? |
| 05:33.56 | lunitik | Thunderguy: or still bootable? |
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| 05:33.59 | coywolf | <debian_newb> can someone help me to set up firewall on my new debian box? |
| 05:33.59 | coywolf | <teH_DeBIAN_1337_H4x0r> OMFG U THINK i HAVE TIME TO HELP SOME STUPID NEWBS. RTFM. |
| 05:33.59 | coywolf | <dEB14N_4_LIF3> LOL UR TOTAL N00b. RTFM u f4g. go kill ur self. |
| 05:33.59 | coywolf | <dbian_RULLZZZ0r> RTFM newb. come back when u haw3 sum skillz. |
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| 05:34.03 | Rothgar` | Maybe I'll go Gigabit while I'm looking |
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| 05:34.30 | Thunderguy | lunitik: well hda4 contains boot info because I'm using a /boot partition, but hda5 contains real-root while hda7 does not, but dpkg doesn't seem to know this |
| 05:34.52 | liable | Thunderguy: check the #kopt and #groot options in menu.lst |
| 05:35.04 | Thunderguy | so everytime boot info needs to be updated it doesn't boot on the restart till I change the name again |
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| 05:35.17 | liable | then run update-grub |
| 05:35.28 | lunitik | Thunderguy: ahh... yes... kopt = always use these options for every kernel you setup |
| 05:35.57 | lunitik | Thunderguy: can set 'root=/dev/hda4' there |
| 05:36.44 | Thunderguy | # kopt=root=/dev/hda7 ro <- it has that in the config, but it is commented out |
| 05:36.58 | liable | Thunderguy: its not commented, read above |
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| 05:37.40 | Thunderguy | liable: So another script is processing these uncommented correct? |
| 05:37.51 | Thunderguy | I mean commented |
| 05:37.54 | liable | Thunderguy: update-grub uses those values |
| 05:38.08 | liable | which is run every time a kernel is installed |
| 05:38.14 | liable | or removed |
| 05:38.14 | Thunderguy | Oh I see, so in the grub config double comments are truley commented |
| 05:39.12 | mrp1ckles | hello #debian |
| 05:39.25 | Thunderguy | Ah nice, didn't know about that, to be honest Liable, I skipped every part that was commented when I read the menu.lst thinking nothing important would be parsed in a '#' area, guess I was wrong. |
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| 05:39.40 | Thunderguy | Thanks |
| 05:39.48 | liable | yw |
| 05:40.19 | Thunderguy | Now, I need bootsplash support on kernel 2.6.16-2, but the bootsplash package only has support for 15, hmmm |
| 05:40.37 | liable | !splashy |
| 05:40.38 | dpkg | from memory, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 05:40.42 | mrp1ckles | does anyone in #debian have moderate experience with ssh ? i have questions about how to ssh into a machine remotely from the internet. |
| 05:41.07 | Thunderguy | Oh thanks, I didn't know about splashy |
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| 05:41.46 | lunitik | Thunderguy: no default kernels do yet afaik |
| 05:42.02 | lunitik | either that, or I'm too dumb to figure out how to set them up |
| 05:42.31 | liable | mrp1ckles: just state the problem and hopefully someone can help |
| 05:42.35 | Guerin | kernelspace bootsplash has no place in a stock kernel |
| 05:42.54 | peterS | if kernels didn't support fb consoles, I'd be out of luck on my RS/6000. no VGA support there, you have to use fb. |
| 05:43.05 | peterS | (offb to be exact) |
| 05:43.18 | lunitik | Guerin: actually, Martin was pushing for it in stock kernels... so you can have pretty boot processes... hasn't happened though |
| 05:43.30 | Guerin | peterS: serves you right for using 2nd millennium technology |
| 05:43.32 | Thunderguy | peterS: So to get framebuffer in debian I should compile my own kernel, as I learned in Gentoo? |
| 05:43.41 | Guerin | lunitik: it's a stupid idea. |
| 05:43.51 | peterS | Thunderguy: I thought it was supported in default kernels - just load the right fb module, if needed |
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| 05:43.53 | liable | but its purty! |
| 05:43.53 | Guerin | Thunderguy: debian kernels support framebuffer |
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| 05:44.09 | lunitik | Guerin: makes people think the distro is more modern if it has pretty pictures during boot... you didn't know that? :P |
| 05:44.13 | Guerin | lunitik: so is paris hilton, but that don't mean you should invest in it |
| 05:44.26 | Guerin | lunitik: i knew, I just didn't care. |
| 05:44.32 | Guerin | liable: ^ |
| 05:44.38 | Thunderguy | Oh ok, how does this FB work? I mean if I install a module for it, will I have some docs available to know how to init the framebuffer? or will this require extensive research? |
| 05:44.38 | peterS | Thunderguy: but really, vga text is so lovely, I don't see why you'd want a slower and less beautiful fb. unless you speak a language not easily supported by VGA |
| 05:44.49 | liable | Guerin: i'd do paris :) |
| 05:45.00 | Guerin | liable: but would you MARRY her? |
| 05:45.07 | lunitik | not necessarily money though |
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| 05:45.18 | liable | Guerin: fucking oath, then i wouldnt so fucking poor :) |
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| 05:45.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:45.28 | Guerin | don't beieve it |
| 05:45.32 | Thunderguy | peterS: I just want FB to have a GUI after boot, I'm gonna use Qemu to turn a Debian system into an emulating machine with installs of many OS's |
| 05:45.43 | peterS | liable: dude, I don't even want to _think_ about how many layers of protection you should be using with her |
| 05:45.50 | liable | hah |
| 05:46.03 | Guerin | "is it in yet?" "um, I dunno..." |
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| 05:46.16 | sk0tie | Come to a new and upcoming network at irc.oneirc.org our main room is #oneirc |
| 05:46.19 | liable | thats not my ring, its my watch! :P |
| 05:46.26 | Guerin | hah |
| 05:46.52 | lunitik | peterS: wasting time with protection would give her too much chance to change her mind :/ |
| 05:46.53 | Thunderguy | peterS: I like VGA text-man but for some reason the Bios-VGA driver doesn't sync right and text-mode runs off the screen |
| 05:47.00 | mrp1ckles | liable, I have a network with 3 machines behind a router, one of them is a linux machine and i want to be able to ssh into it remotely from anywhere one the internet. I already know how to ssh into this machine from inside the network. i just do ssh username@10.0.1.3 and then login. but i can't figure out what kind of command i would use to ssh into this machine from outside this network. |
| 05:47.00 | Guerin | well, tonight I get to see if my shoulder has healed such that I can play stick |
| 05:47.10 | lunitik | peterS: plus, you could sue for a lot of money if she gave you something...... |
| 05:47.14 | Guerin | it's been 6 weeks since I picked up a cue, so I expect it to go badly |
| 05:47.20 | Thunderguy | peterS: but what can I say, the computer was built for windows, not for text-mode |
| 05:47.28 | peterS | Thunderguy: you may have some luck with the 'svgatextmode' package, depending on your graphics chipset. it can do some cool things when you have a supported chip |
| 05:47.34 | Guerin | lunitik: you couldn't claim you were ignorant of it... |
| 05:47.46 | lunitik | Thunderguy: stock kernels don't support FB... you have to build your own to have that |
| 05:47.47 | liable | mrp1ckles: you need to forward 22 to that machine (from the router) then ssh username@ip |
| 05:47.56 | peterS | lunitik: yeah it's kind of hard to walk into court and tell the judge you didn't know what you were, ahem, getting into |
| 05:47.58 | Guerin | eh what |
| 05:48.01 | liable | mrp1ckles: or get a dyndns account so its a hostnam |
| 05:48.08 | Guerin | stock kernels support framebuffers |
| 05:48.19 | Thunderguy | peterS: I have an outdated ATI, btw, what's this I hear about the Xorg Vesa Drivers not supporting new Video chips anymore? |
| 05:48.32 | peterS | Thunderguy: don't know, what is it you hear about that? |
| 05:48.39 | lunitik | Guerin: If she was naked, no one in this channel would be thinking of that in that moment... |
| 05:49.01 | liable | Thunderguy: above r300 is not supported by xorg iirc and below not supported by ati (i think..) |
| 05:49.07 | Guerin | lunitik: that's *exactly* what I'd be thinking |
| 05:49.10 | peterS | lunitik: speak for yourself, I do actually have the ability to operate both brains at once |
| 05:49.12 | Thunderguy | peterS: In some random Ubuntu posts I seen that populate google and interfere with my searches someone was ranting about how their ATI card ( brand new ) doesn't work at all with the vesa driver |
| 05:49.20 | Guerin | something beginning with 's's |
| 05:49.27 | Guerin | and ending with 'kanky' |
| 05:49.52 | lunitik | peterS: I need to learn that ability :( |
| 05:49.55 | Guerin | Thunderguy: new stuff doesn't always work until it gets support code written for it. No surprise. |
| 05:50.09 | mrp1ckles | liable, can i privately message you ? |
| 05:50.09 | Guerin | lunitik: i blame your bad taste in music. |
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| 05:50.10 | Thunderguy | Guerin: So do you think Vesa eventually will support it? |
| 05:50.33 | Cooner750 | Are there drivers available for Debian for the ATI All-In-Wonder RAGE 128 AGP? |
| 05:50.39 | Guerin | Thunderguy: it's not a case of vesa supporting it; vesa is an extant standard. It's a matter of whether the gpu is vesa compatible, which Iguess it's not. |
| 05:50.43 | Cooner750 | TV Tuner |
| 05:50.48 | liable | mrp1ckles: i would rather you not, but if you must.. sure |
| 05:50.55 | peterS | lunitik: there are people who could seriously interfere with my brain function, she's far from being one of them |
| 05:51.09 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, totally. |
| 05:51.51 | evilgeek | it's pretty weak if a card isn't VESA-compliant these days. |
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| 05:52.47 | lunitik | I still say cognitive function would go out the window if this was naked in front of you: http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/parishilton/paris_hilton_6.jpg |
| 05:52.48 | liable | hehe, you should go out bush in oz.. big stomachs and a hell of a tan.. |
| 05:53.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:53.40 | peterS | lunitik: I might be distracted if I didn't recognise her and remember who she was |
| 05:54.18 | Guerin | lunitik: just another skinny stoned tart |
| 05:54.22 | lunitik | peterS: not saying I wouldn't regret it after... |
| 05:54.38 | stoned | huh |
| 05:54.49 | stoned | who what |
| 05:54.51 | lunitik | peterS: just saying I wouldn't be thinking about much during.... |
| 05:55.06 | lunitik | stoned: they're saying they'd be able to turn Paris Hilton down.... |
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| 05:55.18 | ice_1963 | well what is the best video card for my conputter? |
| 05:55.21 | peterS | one thing about being naked, you wouldn't have to notice her pretentious fashion sense and haute couture accessories |
| 05:55.29 | Guerin | ice_1963: s3 ViRGE |
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| 05:55.39 | stoned | i'd rather castrate myself with a wooden fork |
| 05:55.49 | stoned | I wouldn't touch her with a 10 foot pole |
| 05:56.02 | peterS | stoned: do you have a 10 foot pole? 'cause if not, the point is moot |
| 05:56.09 | Guerin | hurh |
| 05:56.11 | stoned | yes I have |
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| 05:56.27 | peterS | I wouldn't touch her with a 7-inch pole, but I'll say nothing about 10-foot ones |
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| 05:56.28 | Guerin | wasn't that a calpunk band from the early 1990s? |
| 05:57.08 | ice_1963 | Guerin: who makes s3virge? |
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| 05:57.15 | Guerin | ice_1963: s3 |
| 05:57.33 | Guerin | !s3 |
| 05:57.34 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 05:57.36 | ice_1963 | Guerin: ok |
| 05:57.40 | Eclipser | hahaha |
| 05:57.41 | peterS | ice_1963: you might find one under the name Diamond Stealth 3D 2000. of course, Diamond went under quite some years ago |
| 05:57.49 | Guerin | yeah! |
| 05:57.59 | Guerin | stealth was an awesome card in its day |
| 05:58.06 | Guerin | 4MB video ram, holy shit! |
| 05:58.11 | streuner | http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/parishilton/ |
| 05:58.32 | peterS | streuner: url posted already |
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| 05:58.46 | streuner | peterS: check this out again! |
| 05:58.48 | Guerin | i think I even have a s3 virge somewhaere |
| 05:58.56 | Eclipser | I guess I'm jont opening that with gprs |
| 05:59.00 | Guerin | probably in the dx4-100 i'm making into a router |
| 05:59.14 | Eclipser | s/jont/not/ |
| 05:59.42 | peterS | Guerin: I used mine just the other day. my mom's AGP card was acting up, so I replaced it with the old pci virge. worked fine while I was working on the rest of the machine. right before I sent her home, I tried the AGP card again and somehow it had gotten over its little fit and decided to work again. |
| 05:59.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:59.56 | lunitik | http://umusicmedia.ca/rihanna/wallpaper/wallpaper3_1280.jpg ... can't find any better ... she's gorgeous though |
| 06:00.09 | vick | Can i put on the .iso of netinstall some data ? |
| 06:00.16 | vick | or would that make it function improperly |
| 06:00.17 | Guerin | lunitik: this is not #omgchix0rz |
| 06:00.22 | lunitik | Whiney as fuck, but hot |
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| 06:00.29 | Guerin | vick: uh? that's not how isos wpork |
| 06:00.41 | lunitik | Guerin: sorry... I was distracted :$ |
| 06:00.52 | vick | Guerin: How ? |
| 06:00.52 | Guerin | lunitik: go have a wank, get over it. |
| 06:01.02 | Eclipser | paris hilton ? gorgeous? hahahahaha |
| 06:01.08 | peterS | yeah I think that's about enough of 'which empty-headed model would you do' for one day |
| 06:01.09 | Guerin | vick: an iso takes up a whole cd. |
| 06:01.16 | Guerin | Eclipser: yeah, I know. |
| 06:01.21 | lunitik | Eclipser: you suck at following along too... see my link |
| 06:01.22 | peterS | Eclipser: he was talking about rihanna. who is equally off-topic. |
| 06:01.31 | Eclipser | lunitik, can't - gprs |
| 06:01.36 | liable | mrp1ckles: ?? |
| 06:01.50 | Eclipser | it'd take half an hour to open it |
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| 06:01.59 | vick | Guerin: That's not what i meant, i mean i put on the .iso file data and then burn it on a CD |
| 06:02.10 | Guerin | vick: eh? |
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| 06:02.32 | Guerin | vick: you unpacked the iso, added some data, re-isoed it? |
| 06:02.39 | vick | Guerin: Yes. |
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| 06:03.04 | peterS | vick: then I hope you told your iso mastering program the correct el torito boot information |
| 06:03.05 | Guerin | vick: no reason it shouldn't work, as long as it's still a proper iso of the right size to fit on $medium |
| 06:03.24 | peterS | vick: or, alternatively, I hope it derived that info from the old boot image and decided to use it |
| 06:03.25 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 06:03.28 | Guerin | all that boot mojo |
| 06:03.44 | Guerin | i need a damn 3.5" floppy |
| 06:04.15 | lunitik | Eclipser: ouch... well... looks kinda like Christina Milian (took so long cuz I couldn't think of her name, but you she's famous) only skinnier... |
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| 06:04.21 | Cooner750 | How can I get OSS working in Debian? |
| 06:04.30 | Guerin | Cooner750: oss should work by default |
| 06:04.41 | Guerin | Cooner750: or alsa's oss emulation |
| 06:04.51 | Cooner750 | Rythombox reports "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program." |
| 06:04.52 | liable | unless you need snd-oss-pcm |
| 06:05.02 | Guerin | snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:05.05 | lunitik | Guerin: weren't they fasing out OSS emulation support? |
| 06:05.15 | Guerin | lunitik: argh, seriously?> |
| 06:05.22 | Guerin | that would be *amazingly* stupid |
| 06:05.26 | lunitik | Maybe that was just for another distro, not in general |
| 06:05.35 | peterS | lunitik: no, adrian bunk is trying to phase out OSS, but nobody is trying to phase out OSS emulation |
| 06:05.48 | lunitik | Actually, I think that was for Fedora... meh... nm |
| 06:06.41 | peterS | former Debian developer |
| 06:06.51 | Cooner750 | any ideas on my error? |
| 06:07.01 | peterS | resigned during the woody release cycle, IIRC, because woody was taking so long, he got frustrated with debian |
| 06:07.08 | liable | Cooner750: kill/configure your sound daemon |
| 06:07.11 | stew | he really showed us |
| 06:07.19 | peterS | of course, woody released about 3 months after he left |
| 06:07.25 | Cooner750 | I have no clue even what ones are running |
| 06:07.33 | Gnea | hey, can anyone hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ ? |
| 06:07.37 | stew | is gravity taking the summer off or something? |
| 06:07.43 | liable | Cooner750: what wm? |
| 06:07.46 | Cooner750 | got it |
| 06:07.48 | Cooner750 | E |
| 06:07.49 | stew | Gnea: yes |
| 06:07.52 | Cooner750 | had to kill ESD |
| 06:07.58 | peterS | stew: hardly, he's working hard this summer, from what I hear. not enough time for irc |
| 06:08.01 | lunitik | peterS: I don't understand why there are some devels that are so adament about releases, while others don't even really seem to care... is weird |
| 06:08.08 | stew | good for him |
| 06:08.14 | section31 | can someone explain why i have to run executables using './'..i know that means current working directory but why doesn't it work otherwise |
| 06:08.38 | Gnea | stew: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Could not connect to www.debian-multimedia.org:80 (213.186.33.16). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 06:08.51 | peterS | lunitik: different priorities. anyway, after leaving debian, bunk maintained a set of woody backports to support 2.4 kernels. that's what a lot of people would know him for these days. I think he might have done the same with 2.6 kernels at some point |
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| 06:09.02 | lunitik | There are things like jigdo to role your own install etc... |
| 06:09.09 | Gnea | wow. |
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| 06:09.17 | Gnea | stew: ok, i just refreshed it and it cam eup |
| 06:09.19 | liable | Gnea: works here |
| 06:09.22 | Gnea | came* |
| 06:09.25 | nima | does debian work on the intel macs? |
| 06:09.31 | peterS | !bunk |
| 06:09.31 | dpkg | [bunk 2.6] You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 06:09.47 | yipe | sorry to bother you, is there an offtopic, or similar casual discussion channel for debian users? |
| 06:09.51 | Guerin | nima: yes. |
| 06:09.53 | grendelson | running debian testing and vim 7.0 - I can't seem to get any syntax hiliting. I tried syntax onand syn enable and checked I have it in both gvimrc and vimrc ... Not sure what I'm missing... |
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| 06:10.09 | peterS | yipe: there is #debian-offtopic at irc.debian.org |
| 06:10.18 | nima | Guerin, you just get the i368 ones? |
| 06:10.20 | peterS | well, I think they moved to irc.debian.org |
| 06:10.21 | yipe | thanks peterS |
| 06:10.33 | Guerin | peterS: the one which was on freenode? |
| 06:10.39 | peterS | yeah |
| 06:10.42 | stew | grendelson: if you type ":syn on" ? |
| 06:10.43 | Guerin | peterS: still here |
| 06:10.46 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 06:10.49 | Guerin | not much goes on though |
| 06:11.01 | lunitik | yipe: technically, this channel is for casual conversation according to ChanServ... tends to depend who is around, and what you're discussing though |
| 06:11.04 | grendelson | stew - nothing - this is in a gnome xterm .... or in gvim.... |
| 06:11.09 | nima | yipe, give ##linux a try |
| 06:11.23 | grendelson | the file is c++ (cpp ending) |
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| 06:11.53 | yipe | I see.... |
| 06:12.06 | yipe | I guess I'm used to #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 06:12.17 | yipe | though I'm thinking about switching |
| 06:12.20 | lunitik | yipe: for instance... talking about baseball likely wouldn't go over well... but talking about blowing up your hard disk over the weekend would be fine most of the time ;) |
| 06:12.30 | stew | as expected #debian-offtopic is far less user friendly than #ubuntu-offtopic |
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| 06:12.48 | lunitik | yipe: hah... I was part of the reason #ubuntu-offtopic was created :/ |
| 06:12.51 | peterS | yipe: we are sometimes tolerant of a bit of offtopicness but we frown on it from people who have no known contributions to the channel. like, if the only reason we've heard of you is because of your offtopic noise, we have limited patience here |
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| 06:13.14 | streuner | stew: how do you know? |
| 06:13.20 | yipe | I don't understand why debian chans are so much less friendly than ubuntu chans |
| 06:13.25 | lunitik | peterS: I help where I can, and I still get moaned at :( |
| 06:13.36 | streuner | stew: see ^^^ |
| 06:14.00 | yipe | seriously, I'm not trying to troll or whatever |
| 06:14.06 | stew | streuner: see ^^^ |
| 06:14.14 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:14.21 | yipe | I want to know why people are so often put off by this chan |
| 06:14.30 | lunitik | yipe: they're not... just... not as much "lets have a group hug" |
| 06:14.39 | streuner | stew: agreed :-) |
| 06:14.52 | liable | yipe: and yet they are much more technically inclined. horses for courses |
| 06:15.44 | stew | yipe: if you hang out in #ubuntu- channels, I woudlnt' be suprised if the general consensus in such channels is the #debian is less friendly/helpful becuaes we don't support ubuntu users by policy |
| 06:15.46 | peterS | yipe: because they expect the impossible. they ask stupid questions, they come in accusing debian of not being suse or ubuntu or windows 98, they get impatient and start whining when nobody knows the answer to their questions. we also periodically have people in here who give bad advice and you can have a bad experience when that happens |
| 06:15.46 | grendelson | Colors appear to be working in my xterm and in gvim. I have other hiliting and differnt shades on text and folds etc but syntax hiliting seems to be ignored or the file is not recognied - it is name dfile.cpp! |
| 06:16.42 | peterS | grendelson: what is .cpp? is that c++? the usual c++ filename convention in Unix is either .C or .cc |
| 06:16.43 | stew | grendelson: you might ask #vim |
| 06:17.08 | lunitik | peterS: people in here give better advice in general than #ubuntu ... although questions tend to be less technical... |
| 06:17.38 | grendelson | peterS, Yes cpp wsa c++ files. I asked here only because vim is vers 7 in testing so wanted to see if anyone else had seen similar and knew debian specific fix (or what I had missed) |
| 06:17.43 | yipe | eh, any distro will get dumb users, I think it's part of our responsibility to educate newbs |
| 06:18.01 | stew | when i launch gvim on a .cpp file i get syntax hilighting. and i didn't even know it was installed, so icertainly haven't customized it |
| 06:18.11 | peterS | yipe: I don't recognise you, how much newb education have you helped with so far? |
| 06:18.28 | grendelson | stew : great... not using gnome (It may be I'm fighting gnome ) |
| 06:18.35 | yipe | none in the debian chans, I'm an ubuntu user at the moment |
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| 06:18.53 | lunitik | yipe: there is documentation for that... its hardly too much to ask that they educate themselves... #ubuntu is tolerant of ignorance... #debian doesn't tend to be |
| 06:18.55 | peterS | yipe: shrug. speak of what you know, then |
| 06:19.12 | yipe | I'm just saying, newbs don't read man pages, and even if they do they can't understand them |
| 06:19.18 | Thunderguy | Hey would apt-move allow unauthenticated packages to be moved as well? |
| 06:19.51 | yipe | man pages are written for a technical audience, it seems a bit much to expect newbs to understand them |
| 06:20.00 | lunitik | yipe: thats what support channels should be used for... clarification... _not_ hand holding... their are services that will do that for a fee... |
| 06:20.11 | lunitik | there* |
| 06:20.33 | yipe | if you want to convert people from windows, it'll be necessary to hold a few hands while people get their feet wet |
| 06:20.47 | lunitik | yipe: Debian doesn't want to convert anyone. |
| 06:20.54 | yipe | my mom uses ubuntu linux, and I've had to hold her hand several times |
| 06:20.55 | peterS | yipe: it may be a bit much to expect people to understand manpages written in languages they don't speak well. if you're fluent in English and read an English manpage, I expect you to understand it. |
| 06:22.04 | yipe | peterS, you say that, but you're familiar with the language of computers and Linux in general, lunitik says Debian isn't looking for converts, but I think all linux flavors should be looking for people to switch |
| 06:22.26 | peterS | yipe: thank you for telling us how to do our jobs. we get it. we'll ask you if we have any questions. |
| 06:22.51 | yipe | I've been using computers for a long time, I learned GWBASIC on my 8088, and I still have trouble decoding the occasional man-page |
| 06:23.13 | lunitik | yipe: Debian seeks to be the best technical distro there is... and in turn, attracts technical users... Ubuntu seeks to convert people, so take measures to attract on non-technical merit... |
| 06:23.13 | peterS | like I said, we'll be sure and ask you if we have any questions |
| 06:23.20 | yipe | peterS, don't take it that way, I'm trying to talk to you not preach to you |
| 06:23.47 | Gnea | yipe: hey, weren't you asking about an offtopic/non-technical discussion channel awhile ago? |
| 06:23.53 | grendelson | :-) |
| 06:24.00 | peterS | yipe: yeah, #debian-offtopic is ---> that way |
| 06:24.02 | yipe | yes I was |
| 06:24.14 | Gnea | then please, take this discussion there, where it belongs. |
| 06:24.33 | peterS | though really I wonder why you need it, if you have #ubuntu-offtopic already |
| 06:24.48 | yipe | so that's it huh? You don't like my view in what I was told was a general discussion channel so you're sending me away? |
| 06:24.59 | Gnea | no, you're just 'offtopic' |
| 06:25.05 | streuner | peterS: hehe :-) |
| 06:25.14 | Thunderguy | Hey, is it a good thing if I have a lot of packages that are held back? even well known ones like openoffice updates? |
| 06:25.21 | yipe | because I want to switch, I'm unhappy with that distro |
| 06:25.33 | Gnea | so switch already |
| 06:25.38 | peterS | yipe: you're wasting my time and beginning to annoy me. you're not a part of the debian support infrastructure, you already said that. your opinions are noted. |
| 06:25.38 | grendelson | Every few years a new distro comes along (gentoo, mandrake, ubuntu,) that will change everything. Been using debian since before potato (slink?) and it still runs the same and still has users. |
| 06:25.39 | lunitik | yipe: Ubuntu fills the role you want... distro's are formed because of a set of goals... Debian's goal is not to convert people |
| 06:25.50 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 06:25.50 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 06:26.04 | grendelson | yipe you have to do it and READ The install guide - no amount of soul searching here will help (talking from experience) |
| 06:26.23 | Gnea | !install guide |
| 06:26.23 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 06:26.48 | yipe | so wh can't I talk about philosophical differences? I haven't said "you're bad because you do blank" I've just been talking, why are you so upset about it? |
| 06:27.00 | yipe | is it THAT threatening to talk about a different viewpoint? |
| 06:27.02 | Gnea | !troll yipe |
| 06:27.08 | Gnea | ~troll yipe |
| 06:27.09 | apt | ACTION hereby declares yipe a troll |
| 06:27.25 | lunitik | yipe: because no one agrees... and no one will |
| 06:27.25 | yipe | I am not a troll, I'm not trolling, I only want to talk |
| 06:27.32 | peterS | yipe: the discussion of what n00bs know and can be expected to figure out may be new and exciting to you, but it's horribly tedious to those of us who have been doing support for the last few years. you are not covering any new ground, take my word for it |
| 06:27.37 | Thunderguy | Gnea: You know something I found interesting though, Debian and Ubuntu seem to have similiar solutions to similiar problems ( I fixed an ATI problem on my Debian by following the same directions I found in an Ubuntu forum ) |
| 06:27.38 | grendelson | yipe: believe it or not debian has a philosophy noted on it's main page! (or a link from it) |
| 06:27.38 | Gnea | yipe: you are a troll by #debian standards. |
| 06:27.53 | jetscreamer | hey i hooked up some usb headphones. i got the module going, both kmix and gmix recognize the headset, i can hear myself in the microphone through the headset. now how do i get music/sounds/audio from movies to output to the headset and not the sblive? |
| 06:27.53 | Gnea | Thunderguy: that's nice. |
| 06:28.02 | yipe | who cares about agreement? I don't care if I change anyones mind I only want to talk |
| 06:28.14 | peterS | yipe: "I only want to talk" -> that's not what #debian is for. |
| 06:28.15 | ice_1963 | is there a key for sid's sources? |
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| 06:28.23 | Gnea | yipe: you are offtopic and you continue to do so. |
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| 06:28.35 | stew | maybe we should take a break from this discussion as it has rapidly gotten completely non-productive |
| 06:28.36 | jetscreamer | ice_1963: should be automagical |
| 06:28.37 | lunitik | ice_1963: debian-archive-keyring I think |
| 06:28.41 | Gnea | yipe: crying and bitching and moaning like a 5 year old will get you treated like a 5 year old. |
| 06:28.45 | jetscreamer | somebody help me instead |
| 06:28.48 | yipe | peterS, that's not what you told me when I asked for a debian offtopic chan |
| 06:28.50 | peterS | Gnea: you are not helping |
| 06:28.57 | lunitik | jetscreamer: hah... what was your question? |
| 06:28.58 | Gnea | peterS: good point. |
| 06:28.58 | jetscreamer | #debian-offtopic isn't it |
| 06:29.01 | jetscreamer | hey i hooked up some usb headphones. i got the module going, both kmix and gmix recognize the headset, i can hear myself in the microphone through the headset. now how do i get music/sounds/audio from movies to output to the headset and not the sblive? |
| 06:29.16 | Thunderguy | Gnea: Yeah it is, the fact that Ubuntu is the #1 newb distro and it's based on Debian I can find the answer to extremely newbish questions on their forums |
| 06:29.17 | peterS | yipe: that pretty much is what I told you |
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| 06:29.32 | yipe | I have neither cried nor bitched, I'm trying to talk and you guys are so threatened by it that you can't talk with me |
| 06:29.36 | yipe | which is sad |
| 06:29.37 | ice_1963 | lunitik: ok thank's |
| 06:29.43 | jetscreamer | from movies or any file... system sounds... |
| 06:29.45 | Gnea | ~ops yipe is trolling, is very much offtopic, and refuses to listen to any advice that we give him. 02:26 yipe ) I am not a troll, I'm not trolling, I only want to talk |
| 06:29.46 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: yipe is trolling, is very much offtopic, and refuses to listen to any advice that we give him. 02:26 yipe ) I am not a troll, I'm not trolling, I only want to talk |
| 06:30.04 | jetscreamer | yipe can you stfu plz so somebody will help me instead of paying attention to you :) |
| 06:30.09 | lunitik | jetscreamer: get them to use the headphones instead of the sound card... I think man asound.conf will tell you how |
| 06:30.12 | yipe | how do you know I'm not telling the truth? |
| 06:30.22 | peterS | yipe: I don't care if you're telling the truth. do it somewhere else. |
| 06:30.26 | yipe | jetscreamer, that's very rude |
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| 06:30.42 | jetscreamer | yipe: the squeaky wheel and all that |
| 06:30.45 | lunitik | yipe: Ubuntu was formed because people share your views... go back to #ubuntu |
| 06:30.48 | streuner | yipe: we told you several times, you ignoring all suggestions |
| 06:30.54 | grendelson | Oh my gosh - I'm in a MySpace room watching a video blog - |
| 06:31.06 | Gnea | grendelson: no one cares. |
| 06:31.20 | grendelson | Gnea, I meant here ! in this channel that's what it feels like :-) |
| 06:31.22 | Gnea | jetscreamer: hey are you using alsa? |
| 06:31.40 | Thunderguy | jetscreamer: I don't mean to be rude, but are they really making USB headphones? I mean.. I thought every computer had an audio port. |
| 06:31.41 | peterS | yipe: I'd be more impressed if you did any answering of questions in #debian. so far as I know, you don't. you haven't earned the right to any leniency in wasting our time when there are real user questions to be answered |
| 06:31.50 | yipe | all that I'm trying to do is talk, why is everyone so upset about that? Why are you calling me a troll when I think debian is the best distro out there? |
| 06:32.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:32.12 | jetscreamer | Gnea: yeah alsa |
| 06:32.20 | yipe | peterS, I don't want to distract you from any tech support |
| 06:32.24 | Gnea | jetscreamer: does alsamixer work with it? |
| 06:32.29 | jetscreamer | Thunderguy: yeah logitec usb headhones |
| 06:32.50 | jetscreamer | Gnea: i ass-u-me so, didn't try that one specifically... /me tries |
| 06:32.50 | yipe | please, when someone has a question attend to them first |
| 06:33.01 | Gnea | jetscreamer: is that a 300? |
| 06:33.11 | jetscreamer | 250 |
| 06:33.15 | liable | jetscreamer: something aplay hw:1 foo.wav ? |
| 06:33.16 | lunitik | yipe: I never ignore people, makes me feel bad... please don't make me... thank you |
| 06:33.18 | jetscreamer | no inline volume |
| 06:33.19 | Thunderguy | jetscreamer: Oh wow, mic and headset, nifty |
| 06:33.21 | peterS | yipe: what part of "this is not a channel for random chit-chat, even if you think it is true" are you having trouble with? |
| 06:33.31 | grendelson | yipe - some days folks jsut sit and chat and some days they don't - when the group of most senior or ops types ask you not to just chat about philosophy then don't .... |
| 06:33.43 | Gnea | yipe: please, when someone tells you how it is here, don't cry and bitch, and don't presume to preach rules when you don't even know how to follow them yourself. |
| 06:34.01 | Gnea | i'm so done with this. |
| 06:34.05 | grendelson | After you've used debian for awhile - struggled through some m-a a-i and learned to love aptitude answer questions here.... |
| 06:34.06 | peterS | ok people, he's been told what is what. STOP REPEATING YOURSELVES. thanks. |
| 06:34.28 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:34.45 | yipe | I'm not preaching rules, I'm not trying to cause any trouble, I was just trying to talk because I was told that offtopic conversation was welcome here, clearly that wasn't true, excuse me |
| 06:34.46 | jetscreamer | Thunderguy: i got it for my kid, she doesn't like it, i need headphones so my wife won't bitch me out at 2am :) |
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| 06:35.07 | peterS | yipe: I did not tell you offtopic conversation was welcome here. if you thought it was, sorry for the misunderstanding. take it somewhere else. now. |
| 06:35.10 | lunitik | peterS: any chance you can force him to be quiet? thank you in advance |
| 06:35.40 | streuner | peterS: we told him serveral times... |
| 06:35.46 | yipe | <lunitik> yipe: technically, this channel is for casual conversation according to ChanServ... tends to depend who is around, and what you're discussing though |
| 06:35.56 | Gnea | ( 02:31 yipe ) please, when someone has a question attend to them first <-- that's not preaching rules? please, what exactly WAS that? |
| 06:36.02 | peterS | drop it |
| 06:36.04 | peterS | everyone |
| 06:36.04 | peterS | now |
| 06:36.06 | yipe | how was I to know distro philosophy was wrong? |
| 06:36.14 | lunitik | yipe: I said offtopic was tolerated sometimes based on topic and who's around... obviously you've found a topic that isn't tolerated |
| 06:36.17 | peterS | yipe: because I told you quite a few times. stop. now. |
| 06:36.38 | tvn | anyone using cygwin ? how do you cd to a different partion (e.g., D: drive) ? |
| 06:36.43 | yipe | Gnea, I was saying that I don't intend to take priority from them, and devaluing my own conversation |
| 06:36.51 | MustangMatt | goodnight all |
| 06:36.52 | ApTek | tvn: /cygdrive/d or similar |
| 06:36.53 | daniele83 | hi! gdm won't let me login. After I insert username ad password, I click return to send the pass and gdm immediately beeps and returns the username prompt, without even waiting the predefined time. That with any user. I had to install xdm to login... |
| 06:36.58 | lunitik | tvn: umm... cygwin isn't debian |
| 06:37.14 | Gnea | yipe: why don't you just shut your hole about all of this justified nonsense and ask a technical question? |
| 06:37.19 | yipe | I was being modest gnea |
| 06:37.21 | ApTek | tvn: And I'll venture a guess to say try #cygwin :) |
| 06:37.57 | yipe | because I don't have one, I understand how a debian system works (well, at least enough for my purposes) I wanted to talk |
| 06:37.57 | tvn | ApTek: got it |
| 06:37.58 | grendelson | daniele83, 1st , using debian? |
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| 06:38.12 | grendelson | daniele83, and 2nd what version (testing stable etc.) |
| 06:38.14 | Cooner750 | Why would the audio be out of sync with the video in Flash? |
| 06:38.18 | Gnea | jetscreamer: so what module(s) were loaded when you plugged it in? |
| 06:38.19 | *** mode/#debian [+bb %gnea!*@* %yipe!*@*] by peterS |
| 06:38.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:38.41 | streuner | that was YOUR fault |
| 06:38.50 | peterS | you guys can talk again when you're tired of arguing in public |
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| 06:38.57 | streuner | because if you banned him before, this wouldn't happen... |
| 06:39.08 | waiting | what happnes? |
| 06:39.22 | lunitik | peterS: thank you |
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| 06:39.59 | peterS | waiting: there may be a channel for distro philosophy but it surely isn't this one |
| 06:40.32 | cat | hey everyone |
| 06:40.34 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 06:40.41 | jetscreamer | ok yes alsamixer does see it |
| 06:40.53 | streuner | we should end discussions about why we only support debian... |
| 06:41.00 | daniele83 | grendelson yes. my version is stable, but many packages are from unstable because times ago I used unst. Anyway gdm is from stable. |
| 06:41.05 | jetscreamer | i just don't know how to define card1 instead of card0 as the output device |
| 06:41.07 | lunitik | jetscreamer: was it you that was trying to figure that out like a week or so ago too? |
| 06:41.13 | liable | jetscreamer: its for bluetooth but the testing bit will be the same.. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_use_a_bluetooth_headset |
| 06:41.13 | cat | anyone knows where i can buy stickers so i can put it on my laptop |
| 06:41.22 | jetscreamer | lunitik: nah i just did this tonight |
| 06:41.22 | peterS | cat: I think cafepress is the usual place |
| 06:41.23 | lunitik | jetscreamer: I believe asound.conf was what was recommended then too |
| 06:41.23 | waiting | jetscreamer: output device for what? all? :) |
| 06:41.34 | cat | cafepress.com? |
| 06:41.37 | peterS | yeah |
| 06:42.31 | jetscreamer | waiting: i have an sblive and some headphones defined as card0 and card1. they oth work i just don't know how to get the default sound output from various programs to go to the headset |
| 06:42.44 | grendelson | daniele83, Hmm - you know that's very very wrong to have "some unstable packages" of course I have to assume ther is a conflict. Have you tried downgrading all packages to your currents version (also have you run aptitude reinstall gdm) |
| 06:42.46 | lunitik | jetscreamer: your sound apps listen to snd0 by default (which is usually /dev/dsp0) ... you need to point at away from dsp0 and to your headphones... can do this manually in most apps, or can be set up in /etc/asound.conf (although I'm not sure of the syntax for that...) |
| 06:42.47 | liable | hw:1... |
| 06:43.08 | jetscreamer | yeah hw1, but how do i set it as the global default or whatever |
| 06:43.10 | waiting | jetscreamer: it is possible to alter waht is "card0", "card1" and so on by altering the snd-module loading order |
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| 06:43.12 | cat | peterS: for example linux stickers and stuff |
| 06:43.48 | peterS | cat: google 'debian stickers site:cafepress.com' |
| 06:44.01 | waiting | jetscreamer: just do an "aplay -l" and reorder that |
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| 06:44.39 | lunitik | jetscreamer: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3284 |
| 06:44.53 | lunitik | jetscreamer: thats syntax to make it permenently go to card1 |
| 06:45.00 | lunitik | perminantly? |
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| 06:45.21 | liable | wow, expensive stamps!! |
| 06:45.55 | lunitik | jetscreamer: copy and pasting that would make all sound use the USB headphones if they are defined as card1 |
| 06:46.03 | grendelson | daniele83, One other thing - I think it's /var/log/messages I'm thinking of. Log into a console and then tail -f messages and then login to gdm and then switch back after error - ou shoudl see a login attempt if it's getting that far, Just trying to think of anything that might help.... |
| 06:46.18 | liable | awww, debian teddy! |
| 06:46.58 | lunitik | jetscreamer: if that doesn't work... remove the spaces before the '{' in both cases... shouldn't matter though afaik |
| 06:47.54 | peterS | lunitik: often you can disable the chip in your bios setup screen, even easier than blacklisting at the os level |
| 06:48.23 | daniele83 | grendelson, I tried to purge gdm and reinstall it, with no result. Anyway that conflict wasn't here yesterday... And I can't down/upgrade all my system, I would lose some important pkgs. |
| 06:48.34 | jetscreamer | yeah i turn mine off in the bios |
| 06:48.41 | jetscreamer | thanks lunitik |
| 06:48.43 | daniele83 | grendelson, no related messages on that file. |
| 06:48.51 | lunitik | peterS: I don't recall seeing anything in my BIOS for that... should look around more maybe |
| 06:49.31 | grendelson | daniele83, What changed since yesterday - change any setting , install any package? |
| 06:49.58 | lunitik | peterS: I reinstall entirely too much to keep doing it manually... kind of like people setting up software raid all the time... would be easier certainly to take BIOS route |
| 06:50.14 | jetscreamer | so just change it to 0 when i want to change it back eh... how would i make it card $1 <--some variable i would input after the script, like ./neatscript 1 to go card1, and ./neatscript 0 to go card0 :) |
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| 06:50.43 | daniele83 | grendelson, I installed some pkgs, but nothing related to gdm or even X. I don't remember exactly. |
| 06:50.45 | peterS | lunitik: *nod*. as an aside, I owned my current mobo for like a year before figuring out why the linux kernel couldn't see the SATA interface. it was because I had it disabled in the bios. good thing I don't actually have any SATA devices. |
| 06:51.10 | lunitik | jetscreamer: I'm not sure about that... like I said, I'm not sure what syntax is to be able to set it all the time... just how to set it perminantly... which you asked exlicitly once, thus showing you that... |
| 06:51.11 | grendelson | daniele83, OH wait. had an idea. Have you moved the .gnome specific files in /home of the user you are trying to login as - perhaps you ran a recent upgrade and got a newer gnome and have a bad setting (again jsut troubleshooting) move any gnome. file from console then try to login again or create anew user and login to gdm as that user |
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| 06:51.25 | Kernel_core | hi all |
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| 06:52.14 | grendelson | daniele83, I think adding a new user and then loggin inas that user may be abetter test if there is an erro in home. |
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| 06:52.44 | jetscreamer | lunitik: ok i'm dense then. exactly what am i supposed to do with the text in the paster? |
| 06:53.03 | jetscreamer | script it? |
| 06:53.29 | liable | those little stickers they put on laptops must use some funky glue.. damn they are hard to get off :/ |
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| 06:53.50 | Cooner750 | How can I set the screen resolution that the login manager runs at? |
| 06:53.56 | Gnea | peterS: thank you, and sorry. |
| 06:54.01 | Gnea | !beer peterS |
| 06:54.07 | Kernel_core | I added new language to FreePBX ( Farsi ) with msgfmt I converted it to binary .mo file , when I choose FARSI in my browser I get "????" instead of correct characters ( I chose UTF-8 as charset ) |
| 06:54.13 | Kernel_core | how do I solve it ? |
| 06:54.26 | peterS | perhaps I should acquire a taste for beer someday |
| 06:54.32 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:54.40 | Gnea | what do you prefer? |
| 06:54.46 | peterS | anything but beer, basically |
| 06:54.48 | jetscreamer | saki |
| 06:54.50 | lunitik | jetscreamer: that would make the default device for sound your USB headphones... I don't know how to make it easier to switch between the two |
| 06:54.53 | Gnea | scotch? |
| 06:55.13 | zob000 | anyone knows a utlity to formulate arp requests ? |
| 06:55.17 | peterS | I am not really a connoisseur, I don't know scotch from bourbon, I just like it (in small sips) better than beer |
| 06:55.22 | streuner | Gnea: the troll starts a "discussion" now on OFTC... |
| 06:55.24 | lunitik | jetscreamer: perhaps doing that in ~/.asoundrc would take effect just changing 1 and 0 per app? idk |
| 06:55.34 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 06:55.36 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 06:55.42 | liable | of course the fucking windows one doesnt come off cleanly.. :( |
| 06:55.45 | Gnea | streuner: oh, the same one? |
| 06:55.52 | streuner | Gnea: sure |
| 06:56.10 | liable | ah, gotit |
| 06:56.12 | lunitik | jetscreamer: wish I could help more... but what you _actually_ want is likely similar... would solve it temporarily though |
| 06:56.40 | daniele83 | grendelson, same problem with a new user. |
| 06:56.41 | grendelson | zob000, No BS I'm building one right now ( -it's a school project :-) |
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| 06:57.22 | grendelson | daniele83, Then you have to find an error log. xdm logs in with the same user with no trouble? |
| 06:57.26 | lunitik | jetscreamer: I'm sure there is a way to say "make this default for this app" etc also... I just don't know how :( |
| 06:57.37 | liable | i wish they made those little ones for debian |
| 06:57.45 | daniele83 | grendelson, yes |
| 06:57.55 | liable | auth.log |
| 06:57.56 | liable | ? |
| 06:58.46 | grendelson | jetscreamer, familiar only with speakers portion of it. Have a speaker built into a USB webcam and I have to use a wrapper to get skype to 'hijack' that speaker bevcause the soundcard is dafult - ther is no way to choose the mic as it shows up as a second device or the liek... |
| 06:58.59 | grendelson | ooops |
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| 06:59.36 | grendelson | daniele83, Try that auth.log and see - althoug the way you describe makes me think the login isn't ahppening... WHen you use xdm you are using gnome at that point? |
| 06:59.58 | daniele83 | grendelson, ok, FOUND: I modified the PostLogin script to exec a file .postlogin in user's home directory when it starts. Now I removed that script and gdm let me log in. |
| 07:00.05 | liable | there was a bug in gdm some months ago that did that.. |
| 07:00.14 | liable | from sid.. |
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| 07:00.28 | Cooner750 | anyone? |
| 07:01.03 | liable | Cooner750: dunno if you can tttt |
| 07:01.23 | daniele83 | grendelson, the problem is, yesterday I logged in many times with that PostLogin script... and today it doesn't work... very strange. |
| 07:03.20 | Cooner750 | is there anything that I can 'hide' all of the text at boot, like some kind of splash screen? |
| 07:03.32 | lunitik | Especially when you spend a day trying to fix something... give up... and next day its working again... heh |
| 07:03.49 | lunitik | Cooner750: yes... if you want to rebuild your kernel |
| 07:04.00 | liable | !splashy |
| 07:04.00 | dpkg | well, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 07:04.13 | lunitik | Cooner750: BOOTSPLASH options aren't enabled in stock kernels |
| 07:04.14 | liable | de ja vu |
| 07:04.35 | grendelson | daniele83, Good luck, I hate those problems most of all! |
| 07:04.40 | lunitik | liable: slashy doesn't need anything special? |
| 07:04.45 | lunitik | splashy* |
| 07:04.55 | grendelson | happens to me everytime I run aptitude upgrade it seems ;-) |
| 07:04.57 | lunitik | (works with stock kernels etc...) |
| 07:05.03 | liable | lunitik: i havent ever used it actually, apt-cache show spalshy |
| 07:05.09 | grendelson | but that 's what I get for dabbling in testing.. |
| 07:05.31 | Cooner750 | So, does Splashy work without any modification? |
| 07:05.57 | liable | read the link?? |
| 07:06.28 | lunitik | Cooner750: apt-cache show splashy: "A boot splash program that doesn't require patching the Linux kernel" |
| 07:06.39 | cat | what's wrong with cafepress? |
| 07:07.08 | liable | cat: you tell us? |
| 07:07.32 | grendelson | cat - states it's down for maintenance - I was jsut browsing as well :-) |
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| 07:08.35 | grendelson | cat: I think you broke it! |
| 07:09.21 | lunitik | grendelson: I use Sid, and rarely have strangeness after upgrades ... usually its more random... |
| 07:09.40 | lunitik | If it was after an upgrade it wouldn't be as annoying, because I'd be able to state a reason |
| 07:09.52 | cat | i was ordering some stuff, and it give me that same error grendelson |
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| 07:10.08 | grendelson | cat See you broke it! |
| 07:10.14 | grendelson | cat : joking! |
| 07:10.17 | Cooner750 | I get E: Couldn't find package splashy when attempting to install, and yes I added the repository for Sarge |
| 07:10.28 | cat | i know that, |
| 07:10.33 | lunitik | Cooner750: and updated? |
| 07:10.35 | cat | i'll guess i will order it tomorrow |
| 07:10.36 | grendelson | Cooner750, Did you update after adding? |
| 07:10.47 | lunitik | grendelson: beat ya :P |
| 07:10.49 | jetscreamer | splashy is in regular sources isn't it? |
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| 07:10.53 | Cooner750 | yes |
| 07:10.57 | Cooner750 | i updated |
| 07:11.05 | Cooner750 | I guess I'll have to install it the manual way |
| 07:11.09 | lunitik | jetscreamer: in Sid, yes... Cooner750 is using sarge though |
| 07:11.14 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:11.33 | Cooner750 | the dpkg -i method should work.. |
| 07:12.02 | jetscreamer | it didn't do anything! :) |
| 07:12.07 | jetscreamer | i installed it!!! |
| 07:12.57 | Cooner750 | ok, splashy-themes and splashy is installed.. now what.. |
| 07:12.58 | daniele83 | grendelson, I resolved the problem putting 'exit 0' at the end of PostLogin script. So if there are errors (eg the .postlogin doesn't exist), it anyway doesn't block gdm. |
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| 07:13.37 | lunitik | Cooner750: first place to start is usually /usr/share/doc/($package) |
| 07:13.54 | grendelson | daniele83, Thanks for getting back _ Now I will try to remember that if I hear it again :-) |
| 07:15.27 | Cooner750 | going to reboot and see... brb |
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| 07:17.44 | daniele83 | grendelson, thanks for your help. Anyway the real cause of all that trouble is that ~/.xinitrc and similar (well documented) startup scripts aren't executed by gdm... or I didn't found any documentation about that: the only way for me was to read the obscure headers of the example files contained in /etc/gdm |
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| 07:18.54 | grendelson | daniele83, trying to be helpful :- ) |
| 07:18.54 | lunitik | daniele83: out of curiosity, what are you doing in the postlogin script? |
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| 07:20.16 | lunitik | (other than things to do after login... I thought that was the point of session management.... |
| 07:20.18 | lunitik | ) |
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| 07:22.19 | lunitik | meh... here for help, but isn't willing to enlighten someone else :'( |
| 07:22.57 | daniele83 | lunitik, just a stupid thing as starting torsmo. But I wanted to know more about how to execute login scripts because maybe I'll have to use them on more complex tasks, in the future. |
| 07:24.29 | lunitik | daniele83: ahhh... so yes... session management mostly... thank you... |
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| 07:32.17 | daniele83 | lunitik: well, actually the "postlogin" script located in /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default only executes $HOME/.postlogin. This then starts torsmo.A bit contorted, isn't it? I'm wondering why there isn't a simple way to add startup programs, without having to modify those undocumented, strange and root:root files... |
| 07:33.24 | yipe | ugh, not to drive this chan off topic, but if anyone ever takes an interest in Rome and decides to try mulsum, make sure the wine you try it on isn't sickening sweet cheap crap to begin with |
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| 07:37.03 | waiting | yipe: Lambrusco? |
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| 07:37.17 | jetscreamer | yay success |
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| 07:37.29 | thyko | whats the best alternative to squirel mail? |
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| 07:37.30 | jetscreamer | cept it was just per app not global :( i suck |
| 07:37.43 | yipe | I don't know, some non-kosher wine my uncle bought, something cheap, that label I did not check |
| 07:37.49 | Thunderguy | Hey this splashy I just installed and tested doesn't even work, it's a directfb I/O Error =/ |
| 07:38.01 | Thunderguy | Framebuffer works though and I installed GPM :) |
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| 07:39.41 | jetscreamer | headphones hurt, i'll just tell my wife i couldn't get them working |
| 07:39.56 | Cooner750 | Is it possible to use Rhythmbox to take songs off of an iPod? |
| 07:40.22 | yipe | I drank because I know, no one dedicates wine to false gods anymore, but I did not expect that it would be so very sweet |
| 07:40.35 | yipe | undrinkable |
| 07:41.08 | |ryan| | how does one find out the atime of a file? |
| 07:41.31 | crypt_ex | trying to do a apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade on Sarge, but having problems getting some packages. I have now executed a apt-get upgrade --fix-missing, but am worried if this will break my system. Any suggestions? |
| 07:41.50 | stew | |ryan|: stat file |
| 07:41.52 | peterS | |ryan|: ls -lu |
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| 07:43.24 | stew | crypt_ex: you can run it and see what it is going to do before you accept the changes |
| 07:43.46 | yipe | waiting, this Lambrusco, is it a cheap, sickeningly sweet, white wine? |
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| 07:44.02 | waiting | yipe: oh, white |
| 07:44.05 | yipe | if it is then this is probably it |
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| 07:44.14 | stew | crypt_ex: if you give is the actual output of apt-get upgrade we could help better, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 07:44.14 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install maybe |
| 07:44.29 | yipe | I see |
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| 07:45.19 | yipe | a rabbi, taking an interest in Roman culture, this I probably deserved.... this.... |
| 07:45.42 | waiting | indeed |
| 07:45.43 | yipe | it's like acoholic kool-aid |
| 07:46.00 | jetscreamer | qool-aid |
| 07:46.06 | waiting | o O |
| 07:46.09 | jetscreamer | a recent windows virus |
| 07:46.15 | waiting | :-D |
| 07:46.35 | peterS | you're all in #debian-offtopic, right? |
| 07:46.42 | yipe | coffee, now there is something I can drink |
| 07:46.50 | jetscreamer | i broke down and cleaned my kid's winbox today as i said i never would |
| 07:47.02 | jetscreamer | yeah yeah debian-offtopic, right |
| 07:47.16 | yipe | jetscreamer, your kid is a gamer? Why does he not use some flavor of linux? |
| 07:47.26 | peterS | that would be a _great_ place to talk about wine and windows viruses |
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| 07:47.35 | yipe | debian-offtopic does not exist |
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| 07:48.07 | yipe | or maybe it does... |
| 07:48.10 | jetscreamer | she is an aimer and a likes mostly those other os games. i had em on debian once.. whine whine whine |
| 07:48.10 | peterS | maybe it does. |
| 07:48.48 | yipe | jetscreamer, you except anything else from children? This is all they do, it does not matter this OS or that OS |
| 07:49.18 | jetscreamer | they liked debian better than me as their windows domain admin :) |
| 07:49.37 | jetscreamer | but i just handed em some parts and a cd |
| 07:49.44 | jetscreamer | you want that? have fun! |
| 07:49.55 | jetscreamer | hey she did it |
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| 07:50.22 | yipe | hah! This is what they call parenting in the digital age, "you will use this OS" or "you will use that OS" |
| 07:50.55 | yipe | I assume "she" is your wife, and that she is not enthusiastic about Linux? |
| 07:51.00 | Vasistha | yipe: not much different from many parents of the past, "you can't watch this tv show" or, "you can't hang out with that kid" or, "you can't listen to this music" |
| 07:51.06 | jetscreamer | she is my daughter |
| 07:51.20 | jetscreamer | wife doesnt care long as it's the computer i'm using... grr |
| 07:51.36 | jetscreamer | not the one right next to me, the one i'm on! |
| 07:51.39 | DB_Blade | what's the problem? |
| 07:51.49 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: could that be some kind of interesting hint? |
| 07:52.11 | jetscreamer | no, she really likes kpat solitaire |
| 07:52.13 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 07:52.14 | yipe | hah! Reminds me of my wife, I am a rabbi, do you think she gives me time to study? |
| 07:52.15 | DB_Blade | why not, jetscreamer? |
| 07:53.03 | peterS | DB_Blade: the main problem is that yipe has a seeming inability to say anything on-topic or productive, and the whole channel stops being productive the moment he opens his mouth. AFAICT, that's the only problem. |
| 07:53.04 | jetscreamer | cuz she sits there and plays and plays |
| 07:53.12 | Vasistha | yipe: at least you have time for irc? |
| 07:53.21 | jetscreamer | speaking of kdebase.... |
| 07:53.34 | jetscreamer | it's kinda borked in sid, watch out |
| 07:53.46 | yipe | Because she is asleep and I have decided to use the computer on this sabbath |
| 07:53.47 | jetscreamer | or no kde |
| 07:53.57 | ice_1963 | jetscreamer: she need's to try pysol :) |
| 07:54.01 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: how often is stuff borked in sid in such a way that it prevents you from being as productive as you'd like to be? |
| 07:54.04 | yipe | peterS, am I causing trouble? |
| 07:54.16 | Vasistha | yipe: that's right, it's friday night... |
| 07:54.31 | peterS | yipe: look back at the use of this channel and decide for yourself whether what I just said is true |
| 07:54.32 | jetscreamer | i'm just mentioningthat the sid upgrade of tonight borks kde desktop out. doesn't affect icewm :) |
| 07:55.02 | jetscreamer | ice_1963: pysol is cool but the cards are kinda fugly in a nice way |
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| 07:55.11 | peterS | yipe: while you were silent, everyone was asking and answering debian questions. as soon as you said "sorry this is offtopic", suddenly that stopped and people started talking about wine and children. |
| 07:55.18 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: heh, nice. Hrm, I suppose if I was to run sid I would have to keep a backup application for everything, that would probably make it reasonable |
| 07:55.23 | yipe | ahhh, perhaps peterS's whining is just G-d's way of telling me I should be studying, or sleeping |
| 07:55.34 | peterS | yipe: this is why we have a channel called #debian-offtopic |
| 07:55.40 | yipe | peterS, is that necessarily bad? |
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| 07:55.44 | peterS | yipe: I've tried to give hints about this, apparently I'm not being very effective |
| 07:55.51 | Vasistha | yipe: go celebrate the sabbath! I bet you'll be happy in the morning :-) |
| 07:56.05 | jetscreamer | oh i run icewm always... but i logged into gnome and kde to see if they had a neato alsa applet... kde didn't work though |
| 07:56.08 | yipe | and no one has spoken in that channel in quite a while. Anyways, I am not welcome, so I go |
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| 07:56.20 | Cooner750 | Why is it that text is missing in most Flash things? For example, on Google Video, the text for the Original Size, Double Size, etc.. menu is missing |
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| 07:56.59 | waiting | Cooner750: ask adobe? :) |
| 07:57.03 | Vasistha | Cooner750: first off, what flash rendering engine are you using? |
| 07:57.08 | jetscreamer | i dunno but i think flash8 is supported now |
| 07:57.37 | peterS | there are several flash players in debian, I believe, and last I heard they were all still somewhat buggy |
| 07:57.37 | Gnea | well flash9 is out now, so they gotta stay ahead of the competition |
| 07:58.25 | Cooner750 | I had another question while I was here. How well would Debian run with Gnome on a PowerPC G4 466Mhz w/ 384MB RAM? |
| 07:58.41 | crypt_ex | stew, pastebin does not seem to be working though :( |
| 07:58.43 | waiting | Cooner750: it would run astonishingly well |
| 07:58.45 | jetscreamer | i probably wouldn't do the gnome thing Cooner750 |
| 07:58.52 | Cooner750 | Xfce? |
| 07:59.03 | jetscreamer | something lighter, not gnome or kde.. yeah xfce is nice & light |
| 07:59.27 | jetscreamer | icewm is cool too |
| 07:59.31 | lunitik | jetscreamer: anything would be fine on that system... |
| 07:59.46 | Gnea | according to the website, version 7 is still the latest for linux |
| 07:59.49 | lunitik | jetscreamer: he can't expect a speed demon... but it'd be usable |
| 08:00.08 | jetscreamer | you can install all, and just see what works best for you |
| 08:00.18 | jetscreamer | then remove whatever later |
| 08:00.20 | lunitik | jetscreamer: thats probably better advice ;) |
| 08:00.26 | Cooner750 | a friend has a Powermac G4 and he's grown sick of OS 9 quite quickly |
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| 08:01.04 | lunitik | Cooner750: cool thing about Linux... he'd be able to use x86 hardware with it... things like a real mouse etc... :P |
| 08:01.28 | peterS | lunitik: since when could you not use a real mouse with a mac? everything since the original imac has had usb ports |
| 08:01.43 | jetscreamer | i saw a mac once |
| 08:01.49 | lunitik | Cooner750: if it plugs in somewhere, and has drivers for linux in general, it just works :P |
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| 08:02.12 | Vasistha | lunitik: my dad had a G3 with a three-button mouse that was configured to do things with all three buttons |
| 08:02.22 | lunitik | peterS: Mac's prior to OS X do not offer drivers for most decent mice |
| 08:02.43 | peterS | lunitik: I saw people using 3-button logitech mice on macs in 1993 |
| 08:03.05 | lunitik | peterS: support wasn't in the OS... maybe 3rd party drivers? |
| 08:03.05 | Vasistha | Cooner750: btw, I run kde on a 333MHz pentium II with 192 MB ram ... it's a little slow, has to swap sometimes, but it's absolutely usable |
| 08:03.13 | lwolf | hi, i'm looking for a small help to handle openvpn "dhcp-option DNS" on debian. I've heard that it can be used by a up script. Does one of you have such a script example ? thanx ;) |
| 08:03.33 | stew | crypt_ex: use pastebin.ca or channels.debian.net/paste |
| 08:03.41 | peterS | lunitik: certainly it was a Logitech driver. you know ... a driver that comes with the hardware. kind of like how most hardware comes with drivers. I know it's hard to remember this since the drivers the hardware comes with never seem to support Linux. |
| 08:04.08 | lunitik | peterS: see above @ 3rd party drivers |
| 08:04.23 | Slapp | anybody willing to help out on knoppix v5.0.1 boot from dvd on compaq laptop pm me plz |
| 08:04.32 | crypt_ex | stew http://pastebin.ca/104838 |
| 08:04.38 | lunitik | Slapp: #knoppix |
| 08:04.40 | peterS | lunitik: in Mac OS, as in most OSes that aren't Linux, the users do not care one bit whether the driver came with the OS or came with the hardware. the distinction is meaningless. |
| 08:04.41 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 08:04.41 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 08:04.51 | waiting | peterS: hehe, yes :) it's like (1) buy hw (2) open box (3) throw away cd |
| 08:04.53 | Slapp | tryed theres noone replaying |
| 08:05.02 | Gnea | then wait. |
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| 08:05.13 | lunitik | peterS: true... we're too spoiled |
| 08:05.17 | lunitik | waiting: you do that too? |
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| 08:05.34 | waiting | lunitik: sure, amongst the other adware like "preference offers" and whatnot |
| 08:05.45 | stew | crypt_ex: oh, you aren't having trouble upgrading stable, you are having trouble moving from stable->testing |
| 08:05.45 | lunitik | waiting: my step dad keeps trying to give me driver discs for my Moms Linux box... I don't think he gets it :( |
| 08:06.02 | Vasistha | I just have a spindle on which I put "probably trash" CDs. |
| 08:06.07 | waiting | lunitik: archive it, it's good for revision numbers |
| 08:06.10 | Gnea | Slapp: or ask on an online forum. this is not the appropriate place for it. i'm pretty sure knoppix has a fairly large support base there |
| 08:06.19 | waiting | lunitik: ^^ |
| 08:06.27 | crypt_ex | stew, I thought I was already on testing. :S |
| 08:06.28 | stew | crypt_ex: what version of debian are you wishing to run? stable or testing? |
| 08:06.41 | crypt_ex | Testing |
| 08:06.45 | stew | < crypt_ex> trying to do a apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade on Sarge |
| 08:06.55 | waiting | lunitik: a prominent exception is wlan stuff :) |
| 08:07.00 | stew | crypt_ex: sarge has been "stable" for a year now |
| 08:07.11 | stew | crypt_ex: what version of e2fsprogs do you have installed now? |
| 08:07.22 | owh | I want to write two bytes to CMOS to preserve a state between reboots on a read-only system. I don't even know what to google for to begin to ask the question on how best to achieve that. Any suggestions? |
| 08:07.57 | crypt_ex | stew 1.38+1.39-WIP-2005.12.31-1 |
| 08:08.11 | lunitik | waiting: only wireless things I've played with with Linux were supported by prism modules in default kernel... |
| 08:08.37 | crypt_ex | apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade on Sarge did not work |
| 08:08.42 | crypt_ex | just reported the same errors |
| 08:09.13 | lunitik | waiting: only thing I've found that wasn't supported by Linux at all though was a cheap printer ... every version around it was supported, just not the one my Step Dad chose to buy :/ |
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| 08:09.30 | Cooner750 | How do I set the screen resolution in Xfce? |
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| 08:09.51 | lunitik | He considers himself technical too... spent 20 years in the electronics field... but doesn't know about looking up hardware support :/ |
| 08:10.13 | lunitik | Why do people ask questions, then leave :/ |
| 08:10.24 | owh | The machine I want to do this on is installed in a delivery van and it gets powered off when the key is turned off. I don't want to make the file system rw because I don't want to deal with corrupt data :-) |
| 08:10.26 | stew | crypt_ex: if you are getting 404's after a successful apt-get update, there must be something wrong with your mirror |
| 08:10.50 | lunitik | owh: thats why god invented journels... |
| 08:11.06 | stew | crypt_ex: and you likely want to do a dist-upgrade instead of an upgrade, but if you do you MUST pay attention to what packages it might be removing when you do |
| 08:11.14 | crypt_ex | stew I am adding different mirrors from the UK, do I need to comment out the blueyonder one I have? |
| 08:11.33 | lunitik | owh: ext3 even writes the journel only after its finished archiving a file... so things mid process unsaved are lost, but filesystem is restored |
| 08:11.47 | crypt_ex | stew, I have done this ages ago... my system was working fine and just felt like doing an upgrade today and got these errors |
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| 08:11.53 | crypt_ex | must be the mirror huh? |
| 08:11.58 | lunitik | That doesn't sound very technical, hah... there was a document that said that better somewhere |
| 08:12.17 | stew | crypt_ex: were you able to run "apt-get update" without errors since adding the blueyonder mirror? |
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| 08:12.28 | owh | lunitik: I get what you're saying. I don't really want to introduce a journalling FS, just to store two bytes of data. |
| 08:12.45 | c|int | hey all, its pretty simple to install, xorg on.. debian 3.1 latest stable right? |
| 08:12.53 | crypt_ex | stew no errors came back, just on the upgrade part..........ahaaa....changed mirror and its downloading those debs :D wicked! |
| 08:12.54 | Vasistha | owh: what do you mean, "preserve a state"? |
| 08:13.04 | lunitik | !sarge xorg |
| 08:13.05 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 08:13.13 | Vasistha | owh: do you mean, like, suspend to RAM, or better yet, suspend to hard drive?? |
| 08:13.24 | owh | Vasistha: I want to store two bytes which refers to an item in a list. |
| 08:13.39 | crypt_ex | stew will keep all these mirrors in their and use whichever works at the time, I used the blueyonder one because its my ISP.....I thought mirrors are an exact mirror of all the rest, strange :S |
| 08:13.44 | owh | Vasistha: I don't want to write to the disk just to store two bytes. |
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| 08:14.00 | c|int | right now I"m using ubuntu again, , I got alot of cool things.. with.. ubuntu going on., just want to implecate those , ideas, and reverse engineer in a way, but take some concepts from ubuntu, and use them in debian, and get my laptop. using wireless with debian.. and xorg, and latest, gnome, and perhaps.. kde, |
| 08:14.10 | owh | Vasistha: Seeing that I already have CMOS, battery backed up an all :-), I think it would be prudent to use that :-) |
| 08:14.15 | Yamaraj | Is cdimage.debian.org down? |
| 08:14.36 | lunitik | c|int: so you want to make your Debian like Ubuntu? |
| 08:14.37 | owh | Yamaraj: Works for me |
| 08:14.49 | Yamaraj | Hmm... |
| 08:14.51 | Vasistha | owh: I get your reasoning, but ... I mean, it occurs to me that that is *heavily* dependent upon the bios |
| 08:14.51 | c|int | I finally got wireless, working with ubuntu, it wasn't all cake, but I did, and I feel debian to me, is more of a solid linux system, and more pure, and I used, and tried, gentoo and slack, but didnt' care for the package system, just too diff, from what I used too |
| 08:15.10 | c|int | no, not really make it like ubuntu, just have the same cocept, as far as support for my hardware goes |
| 08:15.17 | streuner | Yamaraj: works here too... |
| 08:15.34 | owh | Vasistha: That's cool, it's a specific machine, don't need it to be universal, but I don't even know what to google for to figure out what I need to do to find out if I can do this :-) |
| 08:15.37 | Gnea | c|int: just install sarge, upgrade to sid and build from there |
| 08:15.46 | c|int | acpi, for Acer, native resolutin display 1280x800, which I was able to do that, in testing/unstable, but I had to manually edit the xorg.conf.. |
| 08:15.53 | Yamaraj | Must be a problem with my ISP then. |
| 08:16.03 | Vasistha | owh: maybe google for the model of the machine and bios and cmos or something? |
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| 08:16.04 | owh | c|int: Ignore the comment from Gnea, I'm running stable with x.org from backports |
| 08:16.09 | lunitik | Gnea: you just recommended sid.... in public? I got flamed last time I did that :( |
| 08:16.25 | lunitik | Gnea: recommending testing gets you less of a headache in here ;) |
| 08:16.26 | enouf | owh: What BIOS vendor ? |
| 08:16.28 | Gnea | lunitik: that's because i run sid on a daily basis. :) |
| 08:16.28 | Cooner750 | When Debian is loading, it says starting Splashy and then says "Please install LSB init-functions" and continues to boot |
| 08:16.29 | crypt_ex | stew all done, but it reports packages are kept back now if I run the apt-get upgrade again? is that normal? |
| 08:16.36 | c|int | also.. I have found, that this. wlassistant, that I did an install of KDE< kubuntu, and it really manages the network nice, finaly got my wireless working, and I was wanting to do this ever since October of last year, when I got the laptop |
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| 08:16.47 | lunitik | Gnea: Testing and Sid are pretty close... recommend Testing next time is all |
| 08:16.54 | c|int | oh cool, can I work with you owh, I"m an IT |
| 08:17.07 | stew | Gnea: please don't recomend sid to random users |
| 08:17.08 | streuner | Cooner750: can you show us the output in paster bot? /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:17.15 | c|int | and lunitik, if possible |
| 08:17.32 | Cooner750 | streuner: It shows the message at boot, during the flashing of all the text.. |
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| 08:17.33 | lunitik | stew: got that covered already ;) |
| 08:17.44 | Gnea | stew: i have and i will continue to do so, only when the situation calls for it. |
| 08:17.58 | streuner | Cooner750: dmesg or better /var/log/dmesg |
| 08:18.01 | lunitik | c|int: wlassistant is in sid |
| 08:18.03 | c|int | well ya see, I just need to teach myself alot better, to build packages from source, and that be cool, and get te support I need for hardware, and debian makes me really think. ubuntu is a nice OS, but you have to edit services.. scripts. etc.. run levels, just to make it even fast like debian.. |
| 08:18.24 | Gnea | c|int: but your best bet is to stick with sarge for now and use backports |
| 08:18.29 | stew | Gnea: here the situation didn't call for it. it is a bad idea to recommend sid to someone when you don't know their skill level with debian |
| 08:18.32 | owh | enouf: Hmm, good question, I currently cannot get to the actual machine, but it's an Intel-810emo board. |
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| 08:18.55 | c|int | also, been really pushing myself with command line, and got alot of books lately, debian books, all kinds, linux administration, linux deskto hacks, and multimedia hacks.. so much hee |
| 08:18.56 | lunitik | !info wlassistant etch |
| 08:18.59 | Gnea | stew: oh i'm completely aware of his skill level: novice. |
| 08:19.07 | dpkg | wlassistant: (User friendly KDE frontend for wireless network connection), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.5.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 146 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
| 08:19.11 | stew | Gnea: right, so don't recommend sid to him |
| 08:19.13 | c|int | oh cool, I will.. just need to put.. alot of support for acpi.. can you guys help me do that |
| 08:19.17 | owh | c|int: I followed the instructions on backport, added a source, did an apt-get update, apt-get -t sarge-backports install xorg |
| 08:19.19 | stew | crypt_ex: possibly, there were a few complex transitions in testing recently. "apt-get dist-upgrade" again might fix it, or "apt-get install packagename", /msg dpkg held back |
| 08:19.25 | Gnea | stew: please, just back off. |
| 08:19.28 | c|int | oh sweet |
| 08:19.34 | c|int | sounds cool |
| 08:19.56 | grigora | hi, I need to install Debian on a desktop that I have access to, but do not have either a monitor or a keyboard, just an ssh connection, is there an easy way to do this (short of bootstrapping)? Thanks |
| 08:20.13 | c|int | you think I , as an open minded user.. and IT, could get the packages, or whatever. like easy ubuntu, because it installs alot of media support. win32 codecs, embedded web media , etc.. |
| 08:20.28 | lunitik | Gnea: think before answering questions... or don't bother answering... certainly don't disrespect people for pointing out the error in your statement |
| 08:20.36 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:20.37 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 08:20.45 | enouf | owh: If what you want to do is available as a setiting "within" the orig BIOS code, this can be easily saved/stored in the NV-RAM using "Save custom settings" (or similar) -- Note -- there are some BIOSes (Award? or AMI ?) settings, not usually configurable, but are accessible |
| 08:20.48 | Gnea | lunitik: have you looked in the mirror lately/ |
| 08:20.48 | c|int | to me, debian is awesome. fast from the start, just takes the mind. to make it how you want it |
| 08:21.04 | owh | c|int: If you're using Ubuntu, then you should be able to find some answers in their forums. |
| 08:21.09 | c|int | owh, I"m going copy what you have told me, and other,s and put in text editor |
| 08:21.12 | lunitik | Gnea: I don't disrespect people for pointing out my errors... I take notice of them |
| 08:21.22 | |pepo| | I've installed NFORCE-Linux-x86-1.0-0310-pkg1.run and my card works but my modem disconnect a few seconds after connec to Internet |
| 08:21.23 | |pepo| | if I use vesa driver then my sl-modem works very well |
| 08:21.30 | c|int | so I'll be able to use, like.. recent xorg. like 7 etc. in debian sarge? |
| 08:21.30 | owh | c|int: Hmm, better do some reading before you do that :-) |
| 08:21.30 | streuner | !tell grigora about ig |
| 08:21.32 | stew | Gnea: i'm not going to back off as long as you think its ok to recommend sid to people that you consider novices. please dont do it. |
| 08:21.37 | |pepo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.42 | c|int | and reading is np |
| 08:21.51 | owh | enouf: That's what I mean, NV-RAM :-) |
| 08:22.00 | Gnea | stew: in case you haven't noticed, i already backed away from it and instead recommended sarge+backports. |
| 08:22.02 | Vasistha | grigora: want to give us a better idea of what the exact situation is so we might be able to make appropriate suggestions? Like, do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 08:22.24 | c|int | or maybe I should wait til.. debian 4 gets released :-) |
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| 08:22.37 | Gnea | c|int: that might be a good idea too :) |
| 08:22.44 | enouf | Well -- what setting do you want to enable ? |
| 08:22.46 | c|int | patience, is always a good virtue :) |
| 08:22.51 | enouf | owh: |
| 08:23.03 | owh | enouf: Yeah, I got that :) |
| 08:23.05 | c|int | acpi.. wireless, and native display |
| 08:23.12 | c|int | and xorg, |
| 08:23.32 | owh | enouf: Well, I only want to store two bytes, don't really care where, as long as I can write it once a minute or so, and read it back on boot. |
| 08:23.36 | Yamaraj | Does Debian unstable have Xorg 7.x yet? |
| 08:23.42 | c|int | I could do that right, I mean if ubuntu, can make it.. so that , my laptop runs nice, with it.. I Knwo I can do that with debian. just need to read my ass off :) |
| 08:23.45 | grigora | Vasistha: yes, I do have physical access |
| 08:23.46 | c|int | yep |
| 08:23.48 | peterS | Yamaraj: yes |
| 08:23.49 | Gnea | Yamaraj: yes. |
| 08:24.02 | c|int | heres 1 thing though Yamaraj |
| 08:24.15 | c|int | I had problems with.. dpkg-reconfigure, so I had to edit the xorg.conf manually.. |
| 08:24.18 | streuner | grigora: so read ig (install guide) |
| 08:24.20 | owh | enouf: I figure that there has got to be some space somewhere to do that :) |
| 08:24.23 | Vasistha | grigora: serial console a possibility? |
| 08:24.24 | c|int | :) |
| 08:24.41 | liable | c|int: try backports, try compiling a few things you need. once you get a bit used to it all, try etch or whatever you like. only way you will learn is by trying. |
| 08:24.41 | Vasistha | grigora: yeah, ignore my questions, go read the install guide |
| 08:24.47 | c|int | so... I probably just going to wait, on debian 4. and be patient, consider it , a Christmas wait.. |
| 08:25.00 | c|int | true, which I do |
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| 08:25.10 | grigora | Vasistha: I don't have serial cables |
| 08:25.15 | c|int | thanks liable, would you be there, as well as you that been talkign to me, to help me if I get stuck on things |
| 08:25.53 | c|int | I did test.. debian testing/unstable, and I really liked it, because it gave you gnome by default, and not just proprietary in theory, force kde as well |
| 08:25.55 | grigora | streuner: looks like "Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System" is my only option |
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| 08:26.23 | c|int | other things is, installed a really nice up to date version of gnome, had acpi support for my laptop. and had the recent xorg |
| 08:26.35 | enouf | owh: Oh there is ...usually reserved, but not much - but two bytes should fit |
| 08:26.36 | Vasistha | grigora: pull the hard drive and put it in another computer to install the base system including sshd, and then put it back and go from there? I have no idea if that would work, and you might break something, so be wary. |
| 08:26.40 | liable | c|int: no, i wont be here to hold your hand. but google will help and occasionaly people here will help with compiling, but its mostly a self learning experience. |
| 08:26.40 | c|int | only thing is.. I found a couple things I ran into.. |
| 08:26.45 | hjubal | hola |
| 08:26.53 | c|int | well, the books I have, should help me so far.. :) |
| 08:27.35 | Yamaraj | c|int: Did ACPI work properly with all those suspend, resume, hibernate options? |
| 08:27.43 | c|int | its just weird, because ubuntu , they callin it stable, but they are using for 6.06 LTS dapper.. debian testing/unstable |
| 08:27.44 | enouf | owh: um -- AFAIK you dont write to the BIOS "once every minute" ;-) -- however Reading it upon Boot is not an issue |
| 08:27.54 | c|int | yes |
| 08:27.55 | streuner | grigora: yep |
| 08:28.01 | c|int | yes id did, Yam |
| 08:28.21 | Yamaraj | Hmm... |
| 08:28.34 | c|int | I just probably , going to read so much on debian, hack my ubuntu system, like I always do, and done since last year, and await the debian 4 release :-) |
| 08:28.58 | c|int | its hardware issue for me yam, and very important that I have the most support, during an installl |
| 08:28.58 | Vasistha | c|int: what ubuntu calls "stable" is very different from what we call "stable" ... and it's also different, for that matter, from what microsoft calls "stable" (if they even use that word) |
| 08:29.14 | c|int | yes.. did you get what I said after that? |
| 08:29.19 | c|int | I totally admire debian |
| 08:29.23 | c|int | all the way |
| 08:29.25 | owh | enouf: Will I "wear" it out, if I write that often, or will that take 400 years of writing before I notice -- BTW, googling with "storing data in nvram" gives me some hits to start with. |
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| 08:29.38 | c|int | they consider, stable builds |
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| 08:30.07 | enouf | owh: A place to start is Google using keywords: ["AMI Award "Custom Splash" BIOS parameters"] they are mostly PDFs ..so |
| 08:30.09 | c|int | but, I tested Vista and its nowhere near.. stable.. however, suppose to be out, Jan , 2007, but they want to recommend, 1 gb of ram.. bleh on that |
| 08:30.25 | c|int | and, my Instructors, are always asking me, to hack there Vista builds for them, |
| 08:30.44 | Yamaraj | c|int: lol |
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| 08:30.45 | c|int | and modify the shell, etc.. and alot of the services, and runtime libraries |
| 08:30.55 | c|int | well, I am an IT |
| 08:31.02 | c|int | I dont' just work with open source |
| 08:31.22 | Yamaraj | Just disable the indexing service and it lowers the memory consumption in Vista. |
| 08:31.25 | c|int | However, recently, windows went completely off my laptop, and I installed VMware Workstation, and latest, in May |
| 08:31.25 | owh | Vasistha: Just a silly Q, how would you rate Ubuntu Stable vs. Debian Stable, the background question is that I run Debian Stable, but I want to install a turn-key setup for a client with regular CD based updates for a client workstation. I've been considering using Ubuntu for that. |
| 08:31.34 | owh | enouf: /me googles :-) |
| 08:31.38 | c|int | Yamaraj: , I 'm already aware of that bud |
| 08:31.38 | Vasistha | owh: I've never used ubuntu |
| 08:31.43 | enouf | owh: I recall reading about it years ago when the rage was getting rid of the OEM manu splash that's usually seen upon boot ;-) But I can't recall which site had that info (Sys... something or another) |
| 08:31.45 | stoned | I come to #debian for my vista hacking needs |
| 08:31.45 | Vasistha | owh: and this isn't really the right place to ask, anyway |
| 08:31.46 | c|int | that just improves the cache |
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| 08:32.27 | Vasistha | owh: CD-based updates? They don't have internet access?? |
| 08:32.27 | c|int | there is so much you can do , to optimize, and secure windows.. only to about, 80%, compared, to , 95% in open source |
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| 08:33.05 | c|int | and plus. there VLK , is going be like a.. licensing , they have to .. check on, or renew every 30 days.. so Vista is going be a wanker |
| 08:33.23 | c|int | I just say, all windows user,s who want Vista, need to want, Xandros at least |
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| 08:33.48 | Yamaraj | Security and strength depends on the systems design, not on the development model. OSS has nothing to do with secure software, per se. |
| 08:34.00 | c|int | I mean, Xandros really made me look at linux in a diff way, especially when I wanted to do more with the system, and modify it how I wanted too, and I did a custom debian system instal, with xfs on my workstation |
| 08:34.17 | owh | Vasistha: They do, but it's costly. |
| 08:34.29 | Vasistha | owh: ohhhhhh |
| 08:34.29 | c|int | yes Yamaraj, of course, also.. Intrusion Detection is great to have these days, router,s and even IDS, like nfr, etc. |
| 08:34.34 | owh | enouf: Cool, excellent suggestion. |
| 08:34.53 | Vasistha | owh: what's wrong with debian stable, anyway? It'll have probably fewer updates than any other system |
| 08:34.58 | enouf | owh: ^_^ |
| 08:35.00 | c|int | and like I said Vasistha |
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| 08:35.51 | c|int | I run windows in an isolated environment, via VMware, because I changed over some people when they seen what I did, with vmware, and yes , I knwo about Qemu, Bochs, and all the other Virtualization that is free.. however.. People do deserve to get paid, for the work they do.. |
| 08:35.58 | owh | Vasistha: Nothing wrong with it, but I'm not sure it's quite ready for new-user desktop use. |
| 08:36.25 | owh | c|int: Funny, that's exactly what I'm proposing for my client :-) |
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| 08:36.46 | c|int | good |
| 08:36.56 | Kevin` | what about xen |
| 08:36.56 | waiting | i thought vmware was a bunch of sell-outs |
| 08:36.58 | stoned | huh? what about people who work on making their software free/os |
| 08:37.07 | c|int | hey owh, so I want to read about backports eh, you think you could help me with my acpi.. issue, and resolution, and wireless, etc |
| 08:37.09 | stoned | you don't think they deserve anything? |
| 08:37.24 | stoned | or how about the same thing going the other way |
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| 08:37.35 | c|int | VMware is nice, they have very nice stable secure infrastructure |
| 08:37.44 | waiting | c|int: wonder where from |
| 08:37.49 | Vasistha | owh: well, the combination of infrequent updates and ease of updating is wonderful for beginners, but it doesn't have a custom UI that's as nice as ubuntu's super-user-friendly system ... and that's going to be the same, regardless of which versions of debian and ubuntu you compare |
| 08:37.53 | c|int | so does alot of other people etc |
| 08:38.03 | c|int | Vasistha: , thats Xandros, |
| 08:38.24 | c|int | Linspire, they don't even have the meaning. for open source, at least Xandros is alot better for new users. |
| 08:38.37 | c|int | and that freespire ,they came out with, beta, thats a wombat too |
| 08:38.45 | c|int | so I hear :) |
| 08:39.10 | c|int | ubuntu isn't all that great, its slow.. :) |
| 08:39.11 | owh | Vasistha: Ans that's what I thought too, but then Ubuntu is six-monthly based on SID, so it will have the latest crap/drivers/etc. for clueless users who buy gadgets in a Windows world :) |
| 08:39.17 | Vasistha | c|int: may I recommend tackling one problem at a time, e.g., just ask the channel about your resolution? |
| 08:39.17 | waiting | so like, vmware is good, but linspire is bad? ;:) |
| 08:39.20 | owh | s/Ans/And/ |
| 08:39.30 | c|int | only thing its good for, is hardware detection.. and sometimes not even great :) |
| 08:39.39 | c|int | I don't care for linspire at all |
| 08:39.53 | Vasistha | owh: if you want support for bleeding edge devices, that will be very difficult no matter what distro you use |
| 08:40.05 | c|int | I tried it , to test it for some people and developers at my college, but I Found myself , giving it debian repositories, hacking the CNR , etc |
| 08:40.15 | Yamaraj | Shuttlebuntu is good for Linux newbies migrating from other environments. |
| 08:40.31 | c|int | and there like.. all KDE all the way, and nothing else, bunch of lamers, Xandros is even thinking of supporting gnome, and kde both |
| 08:40.47 | c|int | Yamaraj: |
| 08:40.50 | RudyValencia | *Ubuntu has no root account |
| 08:40.58 | c|int | when debian 4 gets released,.. its been 1 |
| 08:41.02 | c|int | :P |
| 08:41.13 | c|int | they use like mac of the sense, sudo |
| 08:41.15 | mae | RudyValencia: actually it does, it just disables direct login |
| 08:41.22 | cydork | RudyValencia: it does have one. |
| 08:41.28 | RudyValencia | Can it be re-enabled? |
| 08:41.30 | c|int | you can log into root, if you boot up in recovery, and then enter your sudo password, it will put you in the X, being root user |
| 08:41.31 | owh | enouf: You won't believe this, but the single hit that came up with your google suggestion was a PDF that I downloaded in 2002-03-27 at 15:04 :-) |
| 08:41.31 | streuner | Yamaraj: did you ever hear of 2.6.16 for sarge? |
| 08:41.35 | mae | RudyValencia: yes sudo passwd |
| 08:41.49 | Gnea | !beer waiting |
| 08:41.50 | c|int | you just have to .. boot into recovery, and then enter root password, and then startx |
| 08:42.00 | Yamaraj | streuner: Nope. Not using Sarge currently. |
| 08:42.02 | c|int | or if your in it. you can swithc over to root, sudo su - |
| 08:42.07 | enouf | owh: you mean you had it all along ? |
| 08:42.11 | mae | c|int: my way is easier :) |
| 08:42.27 | c|int | and funny thing was.. this guy right, I was at this tech place, and he did.. sudo su -. and I was like eak, and he was like. see , I' am in a full root shell. and I was like.. o.o |
| 08:42.29 | streuner | Yamaraj: did you hear of etch or beta etch installers (debian)? |
| 08:42.41 | c|int | :P |
| 08:42.44 | Yamaraj | streuner: OF course. |
| 08:42.46 | waiting | interestingly enough, they now hace this option to "remove unneccessary symbols" |
| 08:43.01 | waiting | that means, remove everything that is not used in the current kernel |
| 08:43.17 | owh | enouf: Yup :-) |
| 08:43.20 | c|int | and now people talking in ubuntu, and saying.. man. after a couple months, things been okay, but now my ubuntu is running slow . o>O :P |
| 08:43.28 | streuner | Yamaraj: those installers makes it very easy to install debian |
| 08:43.34 | waiting | in the help text, they write: if your driver stops working, please call us and let us know when you want to merge with us |
| 08:43.50 | waiting | :)) |
| 08:43.55 | c|int | who? |
| 08:44.05 | waiting | c|int: they guys who wrote the text |
| 08:44.09 | c|int | ah |
| 08:44.12 | c|int | for deb? |
| 08:44.18 | waiting | c|int: for all linux |
| 08:44.22 | c|int | ah, ^_^ |
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| 08:44.35 | c|int | rpm package management, no offense, but is really slow to me |
| 08:44.37 | ktwilight_ | :/ |
| 08:44.38 | streuner | Yamaraj: most problems coming from SATA, and 2.6.8 doesn't support SATA very well... |
| 08:44.42 | Yamaraj | streuner: Sure the installers have become better, but newbies still prefer *buntu and rightly so. |
| 08:45.05 | waiting | sure, so they stay stupid ^^ |
| 08:45.11 | c|int | RudyValencia: , I started out on Mandrake 10.0, in spring of 2004, then tried, rEd hat, and then Fedora core, through 1 , - 5, and eh, and SUSE, and still slow :) |
| 08:45.16 | streuner | Yamaraj: well, other problems are usually for newbies to configure X |
| 08:45.24 | c|int | and then ., Xandros showed me the window |
| 08:45.27 | nox-Hand | I have been trying to download this file : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso from this place: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for ages now... I am pretty sure the mirror is down... any other mirrors? |
| 08:45.29 | c|int | to debian* |
| 08:45.36 | c|int | lol |
| 08:45.43 | waiting | ;D |
| 08:45.48 | c|int | yeah, its at least better than Fedora |
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| 08:45.55 | waiting | much better ^^ |
| 08:45.57 | c|int | I rpomise |
| 08:45.59 | RudyValencia | I'm gonna try it on "excalibur" - the testbed computer |
| 08:46.03 | enouf | owh: tehehe -- I do that ALL the time myself too -- Got so much stuff stored, I forget what I got :-p -- BTW, in case it doesn't have exactly what you need : If you remove the outer most quotes from what i posted, you should get atleast 34 hits - use [ AMI Award "Custom Splash" BIOS parameters ] <--exactly what's in between the brackets |
| 08:46.05 | waiting | RudyValencia: :O |
| 08:46.13 | Yamaraj | streuner: Yes. Setting up X, configuring GNOME and system services are a turn off for newbies. |
| 08:46.14 | waiting | RudyValencia: you should try MerlinOS on that ,) |
| 08:46.19 | RudyValencia | haha |
| 08:46.32 | cydork | Yamaraj: most of them dont know about the services :) |
| 08:46.33 | c|int | even though its Commercial, its stilll better than , Fedora, and SUSE, and has ubuntu, accept.. I'm just not likiing some of these.. codes. and proprietary software that is pulled out of ubuntu |
| 08:46.45 | RudyValencia | my main desktop is named "arthur", server is "lancelot". |
| 08:46.51 | c|int | in debian, your like given an enivironment, to work with, and do whateer you want, its just hardware issues for me |
| 08:46.53 | ice_1963 | streuner: well how do i configure my mouse in x? |
| 08:47.02 | waiting | RudyValencia: is your desk round? :)) |
| 08:47.16 | eastwood | ice_1963, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:47.16 | RudyValencia | nope, but the world is. |
| 08:47.20 | waiting | RudyValencia: true |
| 08:47.22 | c|int | what I think we should do is. just petition, that distrowatch, do away with premoting all those slow distros, :) |
| 08:47.42 | streuner | !drxx ice_1963 |
| 08:47.43 | dpkg | ice_1963: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:47.45 | waiting | now I must reboot twice, cu |
| 08:47.55 | c|int | and those. imcompatible 1 's at that, I mean. PC BSD adn DesktopBSd, you acpi lacking mofo .. |
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| 08:48.03 | streuner | ice_1963: what kind of mouse do you have (USB)? |
| 08:48.05 | Yamaraj | cydork: That's because they don't need to. This is why Windows is extremely popular in home/office environments ...because of abstraction. |
| 08:48.06 | c|int | :D |
| 08:48.19 | ice_1963 | ps2 |
| 08:48.22 | c|int | RudyValencia: , you crack me up |
| 08:48.25 | streuner | ice_1963: what kernel are you running actually (cat /proc/version) |
| 08:48.33 | RudyValencia | c|int: how? |
| 08:48.37 | c|int | Fedora and there.. logical volume manager LOL |
| 08:48.43 | ice_1963 | 2.6.17 |
| 08:48.47 | c|int | -P |
| 08:48.49 | c|int | =P |
| 08:48.56 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 08:48.56 | streuner | show us the whole output |
| 08:49.17 | c|int | people just using fedora, because they want to feel, close to linus, in some way .. I guess :-) |
| 08:49.30 | c|int | =p |
| 08:49.31 | Yamaraj | Linus? Does he use Fedora? |
| 08:49.31 | streuner | ice_1963: just 'modprobe mousedev' |
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| 08:49.43 | c|int | Red Hat, and I believe, he works with fedora as well |
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| 08:49.54 | RudyValencia | I couldn't get Debian to work as well on arthur. |
| 08:49.58 | yang | About vendors (shirts, CDs...) donations for debian, is there a seller that gives a provision to debian project? |
| 08:50.03 | Yamaraj | RMS should spank him for not using Debian. :p |
| 08:50.06 | c|int | he's not the only smart guy with vision, and gates, you know we all have vision as wel, and can do whatever we please |
| 08:50.13 | grigora | anyone knows how to get WPE working? or whether it's even support on a specific card |
| 08:50.33 | c|int | well, if RudyValencia, can do alot for Fedora , and help them, manage packages better.. and rewrite the system, if she/he wants, then so be it |
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| 08:50.58 | ice_1963 | streuner: ok i will next time i install sid |
| 08:51.17 | streuner | ice_1963: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:51.23 | c|int | thats like with me and ubuntu, I change alot of aspects of the system, and what i'm going do is.. do a snapshot, clone 1 of my installs, and so it can help alot of other users out there, who want to use ubuntu , with tosn of multimedia support.. commercial software , etc |
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| 08:51.38 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 08:52.50 | c|int | ubuntu, heh.. Marks vision, is like. eh, you should use all free software, in to which terms, even free software, can contain malicious code, and do various things. and not even do what the user wants, but.. in a good state of mind, free software is nice.. and commercial, is cool as well, just needs to be the stability of software, and a system, and the security is the most important thing |
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| 08:53.01 | _al_ | hello |
| 08:53.28 | _al_ | can someone tell where can I get newest debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 08:53.33 | RudyValencia | Generally OSS is stable and reliable. |
| 08:53.33 | c|int | I mean, video google, had a video. of this guy, breaking the ubuntu system, and I was laughign for about .. 5 mins |
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| 08:53.45 | _al_ | http://cdimage.debian.org doesn't work |
| 08:54.15 | Yamaraj | cydork: If Hurd is okay, what excludes OpenSolaris? |
| 08:54.26 | c|int | so what I"m going do is... I'm going to, create a partition, on my system here, or work on my workstation, and then.. see what all I can do with debian, then when I feel I"m ready, I"m going to snap out.. :-) |
| 08:54.27 | Yamaraj | _al_: It doesn't work for me either. |
| 08:54.41 | RudyValencia | It's easy to (temporarily) break all but the most hardened Linux boxes with one bash command. |
| 08:55.05 | c|int | I Know, because I have done alot with debian, I just know I'm capable of alot more, I mean I contributed, to the Debian 3.1 GNu LINux Bible, so Ian got something from me :) |
| 08:55.27 | c|int | hey, I can just get a welding cutting plasma torch, and the hard drive is done |
| 08:55.30 | RudyValencia | I will not disclose it here; Wikipedia it if you must. |
| 08:55.42 | c|int | or some very nice magnets ;) |
| 08:55.50 | RudyValencia | It's not the classic "delete all as root" |
| 08:55.59 | c|int | RudyValencia: , I have plenty of books that would just blow your mind.. |
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| 08:56.17 | c|int | I'm actually working on programming a linux a.i. system, with state of the arte. voice recognition |
| 08:56.32 | c|int | I mean, can you imagine. someone, talking to there linux system, telling it what they want it to do |
| 08:56.41 | RudyValencia | Wow. |
| 08:56.50 | Yamaraj | cydork: It's already beginning to take shape. Check Nexenta: http://www.gnusolaris.org |
| 08:56.52 | RudyValencia | Are you gonna opensource it? |
| 08:57.28 | c|int | my real cool instructor.. just smiles at me in class, watching me do things, and even proving to people, that I cal. box thinkers.. that.. people are capable of things, way more than what people classify , them as.. I mean, I wont' let someonet ell me.. something isn't possible |
| 08:57.54 | Yamaraj | c|int: Voice operated system is not exactly a good idea. Imagine people saying weird things to their computer! |
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| 08:58.34 | cydork | Yamaraj: checkin it!! |
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| 08:58.58 | c|int | well sure, but I"m going to charge, for technical support.. and maybe just a 1 time . licensing.. however, I plan to highly encrypt the system, to it.. dam hard, to decrypt.. and I dont' t care , how man dam linux / unix cluster environmentts you through together, or even a super computer, hell, yoru going to have to have, everybody in the world. hacking this system, :-) |
| 08:59.38 | Yamaraj | Solaris has a really nice and clean kernel. I think Debian should benefit from the opensouce OpenSolaris project. |
| 09:00.02 | lunitik | Yamaraj: it can't |
| 09:00.09 | c|int | whats going be a gag is.. in a few minutes, I"m going to put.. Counter STrike Source, on my nix system, and going be like.. headshot :P |
| 09:00.21 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Why? |
| 09:00.28 | lunitik | Yamaraj: legal issues... although there is a project thats trying to combine Ubuntu and OpenSolaris |
| 09:00.37 | Yamaraj | If Nexenta can do it, why can't Debian? |
| 09:00.46 | c|int | anyone can do anything.. |
| 09:00.47 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Yes. That's Nexenta. |
| 09:00.49 | c|int | period |
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| 09:01.09 | lunitik | Yamaraj: if Nexenta grows, they'll likely see legal issues... right now its likely not big enough for anyone to care though... |
| 09:01.23 | lunitik | I believe its been discussed on debian-legal though |
| 09:01.34 | RudyValencia | I'm gonna throw excalibur into the garbage if it keeps doing this to me |
| 09:01.38 | Yamaraj | Nexenta is fully supported by the OpenSolaris community. There are no legal concerns. |
| 09:01.39 | c|int | just like, I can do alot of things with debian, its just a matter of reading alot of terms, facts, and applying them, to do what i want, that it is. to do |
| 09:01.43 | _joey | any ideas on how to create a union of two like virtual file systems? |
| 09:01.57 | c|int | have you seen Balenix |
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| 09:02.07 | c|int | thats the, open source solaris, live cd |
| 09:02.11 | c|int | hehe |
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| 09:02.14 | Yamaraj | c|int: Yes ...Belenix. |
| 09:02.19 | lunitik | Yamaraj: they're violating the GPL afaik... linking things that aren't GPL compatible to GPL'd projects |
| 09:02.29 | c|int | sorry, belenix |
| 09:02.32 | c|int | my bad |
| 09:03.01 | Yamaraj | lunitik: That's the reason I so want to spank GPL zealots sometimes. |
| 09:03.06 | c|int | hey Yamaraj, while your at it, you should just go around, like the USA does, and inspect, peoples systems, computer systems, macs, and see what there running, and give them some Consultant advice :P |
| 09:03.28 | lunitik | Yamaraj: you want to spank them because they want to ensure certain things about their code? |
| 09:03.54 | c|int | hey lunitik, I take a liking to u |
| 09:04.16 | lunitik | Yamaraj: no one forces anyone to use GPL software... write a replacement from scratch :/ |
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| 09:04.19 | Yamaraj | lunitik: No. Because they're making sure everything works as the GPL Gods want them to. |
| 09:04.21 | c|int | your not just in the beliefs of open source, and free, you also too, see the commercial, and security of code |
| 09:04.44 | lunitik | Yamaraj: they have a right to protect their code, and receive gains from it |
| 09:05.09 | c|int | you see, I come into contact, with linux users all the time, and I think they might have the understanding of what open source is, but they are far from being open minded... *(*** |
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| 09:05.25 | Yamaraj | lunitik: You mean the GPL license politicians or the actual developers? |
| 09:05.31 | c|int | Yamaraj: |
| 09:05.53 | lunitik | Yamaraj: no, I'm saying people release things under the GPL because they want to ensure certain things about their software... |
| 09:06.12 | joeyjones | so any idea if this is a good laptop? |
| 09:06.13 | joeyjones | http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10076701&catid= |
| 09:06.13 | c|int | someone I am sure, will design , a system, that is not even like linux, or unix, which I'm pretty sure its already out there, thats the point, of designing /engineering a system, to be rare, and not even heard of.. the fact, that noone, can modify its code, makes it really secure |
| 09:06.16 | lunitik | Yamaraj: if you're going to restrict things, then you're not helping the community, and thus leaching from it |
| 09:06.40 | c|int | you really think we have done, anything yet? |
| 09:07.00 | cydork | lunitik: i agree with you.. |
| 09:07.07 | c|int | if we only use, 10%, so the scientist say.. bleh on them, we use a little more.. and if people work together as team sometimes.. we are capable of so much more, beyond this |
| 09:07.20 | sid | joeyjones: http://www.emperorlinux.com/ |
| 09:07.25 | eastwood | joeyjones, apart from the OS seems a good acquisition for that price |
| 09:07.36 | yang | About vendors (shirts, CDs...) donations for debian, is there a seller that gives a provision to debian project? |
| 09:07.40 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Not many GNU developers are happy with the GPL restrictions. Not even Linus himself. |
| 09:08.08 | liran_ | has anyone configured dual-view for VGA and TVOUT with nvidia? im having some problems. |
| 09:08.23 | peterS | yang: I think cafepress.com gives something |
| 09:08.23 | Yamaraj | lunitik: And, GPL is more restricting than other licenses in the opensource community. |
| 09:08.35 | Yamaraj | There's a reason why LGPL exists. |
| 09:08.37 | lunitik | Yamaraj: I believe Linus stated "its not perfect, but its the closest thing to what I wanted without worrying about legalese" |
| 09:08.38 | peterS | (for clothing, not CDs) |
| 09:08.51 | joeyjones | eastwood: i can't decide if i'll elave windows on or use debian |
| 09:09.07 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Linus had no choice but to use GPL, and I think he regrets his decision. |
| 09:09.07 | joeyjones | but i will do a format to remove proprietary software |
| 09:09.08 | lunitik | Yamaraj: its more restricting in that it forces you to make sure things aren't restricted... at all... for anyone that touches the code... |
| 09:09.15 | c|int | hey lunitik, so I"m seriously thinking.. of just .. getting. actually burning my, debian 3.1 rc2 install, binary 1 cd, or what you recommend me get for debian stable, and then, get that xorg from backports like you said, get that configure, my wireless, and display, and then I will be very happy |
| 09:09.33 | c|int | actually owh etc.. too |
| 09:09.33 | eastwood | joeyjones, i think the choice is pretty obivious |
| 09:09.44 | lunitik | Yamaraj: if you're not ok with that... use a different license, and don't link against GPL things... they even wrote a whole other license to allow for linking... LGPL... |
| 09:09.48 | eastwood | unless you really need windows software |
| 09:09.54 | c|int | also, I want to compile, build etc.. the most recent gnome. will I be able to do that, which I bet I can |
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| 09:10.00 | Yamaraj | lunitik: But if it makes impossible to take benefit from other license, what's so good about it? |
| 09:10.01 | eastwood | if you use linux for 2 months straight |
| 09:10.05 | joeyjones | i've never used linux locally |
| 09:10.07 | eastwood | you'll forget about windows |
| 09:10.12 | joeyjones | only for server |
| 09:10.16 | c|int | also, is there also, and I think the term, is.. purge.. kde from being installed, from debian 3.1 etc stable |
| 09:10.21 | joeyjones | in another country |
| 09:10.28 | lunitik | c|int: get it installed, and come back :D |
| 09:10.32 | eastwood | joeyjones, if you dont do much gaming |
| 09:10.36 | eastwood | then linux is perfect |
| 09:10.40 | c|int | okay |
| 09:10.52 | c|int | anything, you want me to use, from ubuntu? |
| 09:10.54 | joeyjones | it'll be for anime/irc/typing/web browsing |
| 09:11.01 | c|int | like acpi, etc.. because I really need that on my laptop etc.. |
| 09:11.14 | joeyjones | iunno if linux has an h264 codec though |
| 09:11.22 | lunitik | Yamaraj: What good is the other license to you if it restricts your rights, and others rights that use your software? |
| 09:11.28 | c|int | its very important to me, as an IT dev.. informatin analyst etc. |
| 09:11.40 | joeyjones | lol |
| 09:11.40 | eastwood | joeyjones, debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:11.40 | joeyjones | nvm |
| 09:12.09 | lunitik | c|int: nothing from Ubuntu! make sure you type "linux26" at the first prompt during install though... |
| 09:12.24 | eastwood | if you get debian, be prepared to say goodbye to AV software, spyware, etc... |
| 09:12.33 | lunitik | eastwood: not true |
| 09:12.43 | lunitik | well, the AV software thing at least |
| 09:12.58 | joeyjones | it all still applies really |
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| 09:13.17 | eastwood | for a desktop? |
| 09:13.22 | lunitik | joeyjones: spyware is less of an issue, due to public scrutiny... |
| 09:13.55 | lunitik | eastwood: I use clamav here, on a desktop system |
| 09:14.18 | joeyjones | so does debian have any battery saving options/etc |
| 09:14.29 | eastwood | i thought they were only used to not let AV spread to more windows systems.. |
| 09:14.35 | eastwood | av->virus |
| 09:14.39 | lunitik | joeyjones: yes |
| 09:14.41 | nox-Hand | Can someone help me get the etch installer? I keep on getting a non-working mirror :( |
| 09:14.46 | lunitik | eastwood: av = anti-virus |
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| 09:15.15 | eastwood | i know |
| 09:15.17 | lunitik | eastwood: despite how fun it is to let a virus go within wine... I'd still rather not have any... |
| 09:15.59 | nox-Hand | Anyone who can help? |
| 09:16.06 | lunitik | nox-Hand: worked for me... just install sarge though via 'linux26' and dist-upgrade if you have to :/ |
| 09:16.08 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Have you actually read the Sun CDDL license? I recommend that you do. |
| 09:16.15 | eastwood | non-hand did you choose expert26 ? |
| 09:16.25 | nox-Hand | lunitik, Where did you download etch? |
| 09:16.31 | nox-Hand | I want to get etch from beginning.. |
| 09:16.43 | eastwood | expert26 will do the trick |
| 09:16.58 | joeyjones | it has some issues |
| 09:16.59 | yang | nox-Hand: try debian-installer |
| 09:17.05 | joeyjones | but generally good |
| 09:17.11 | lunitik | Yamaraj: yes I have... |
| 09:17.20 | joeyjones | eastwood: that laptop is as good as my desktop for $100 more |
| 09:17.28 | nox-Hand | yang, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Can you download any i386 ISO's there? |
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| 09:17.37 | lunitik | Yamaraj: I've also read people with superior legal knowledge to me discuss why its bad |
| 09:17.37 | yang | nox-Hand: sure |
| 09:17.44 | lunitik | Yamaraj: google for reasons |
| 09:18.13 | nox-Hand | yang, wth? I cannot.. Will wget work? |
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| 09:18.26 | nox-Hand | I'd like to get this: netinst CD image (100-150 MB) |
| 09:18.34 | nox-Hand | Located at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:18.40 | Yamaraj | lunitik: A GPL rebuttle is equally easy to put up. And there are a LOT of reason why GPL is bad |
| 09:18.42 | lunitik | nox-Hand: "will wget work"... umm, try it |
| 09:18.50 | yang | nox-Hand: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:19.06 | nox-Hand | yang, I just sent you that link... |
| 09:19.09 | lunitik | Yamaraj: sure... but linking against GPL with code that is not GPL compatible is illegal... |
| 09:19.22 | nox-Hand | lunitik, No wget here |
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| 09:19.26 | yang | nox-Hand: try some other mirror |
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| 09:19.37 | nox-Hand | yang, Where could I find another etch mirror? |
| 09:19.47 | Dewi | lunitik: the GPL lawyers would like to think it's illegal... |
| 09:19.50 | lunitik | nox-Hand: what distro/os are you currently using? |
| 09:19.58 | Dewi | lunitik: has it ever been tested? |
| 09:20.05 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Since this discussion started from the issue of legality of using CDDL code with GPLed in Nexenta, read this: http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki/FAQ#head-b596480b2340edc341ba6d86629457f359323137 |
| 09:20.19 | lunitik | Dewi: the GPL has help up in court in similar situations, yes |
| 09:20.24 | nox-Hand | lunitik, Ubuntu |
| 09:20.27 | c|int | copying alot of what you guys said |
| 09:21.14 | azeem | Yamaraj: this talks about distributing alongside, not linking to |
| 09:21.15 | yang | nox-Hand: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian/dists/etch/ |
| 09:21.41 | Yamaraj | GPLv2 *is* fairly rigid, and that's why GPLv3 tries to minimize on that. |
| 09:22.00 | azeem | Yamaraj: people from Sun pretty openly admitted that they wrote the CDDL in a way to make it GPL-incompatbile |
| 09:22.05 | nox-Hand | yang, Cheers, looking for the file I wantt ehre :) |
| 09:22.36 | azeem | Yamaraj: anyway, license discussions are off topic here |
| 09:22.47 | lunitik | Yamaraj: well... when things start to be released under GPLv3, maybe its legal... |
| 09:23.02 | Yamaraj | azeem: GPL is incompatible with almost any other license. They didn't need to keep incompatibility in mind specifically for that. |
| 09:23.17 | lunitik | azeem: peoples questions are being answered, its dead right now for the most part though :( |
| 09:23.41 | azeem | yeah, I said discussions, not questions |
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| 09:24.29 | nox-Hand | http://www.files.lt/? <-- Forever :D |
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| 09:25.17 | Slapp | where can i d/l debian |
| 09:25.26 | DerJamster | Slapp: check the mirrors on debian.org |
| 09:25.31 | Slapp | ok thanks |
| 09:25.35 | lunitik | azeem: its not getting out of hand, we're discussing something in a polite tone... and not ignoring support questions... why restrict when its this dead? |
| 09:25.44 | lunitik | (genuine question...) |
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| 09:25.56 | Yamaraj | azeem: As with your 'CDDL made incompatible on purpose' claim, why is it bad to preserve intellectual property rights with code? After all a LOT of people contributed to the Linux kernel, of which Linus may have only 2-4% of code written by himself by now. Still the Linux kernel is his copyright. What's so fair about it? |
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| 09:25.59 | lunitik | Slapp: www.debian.org/stable/debian-installer |
| 09:26.05 | crypt_ex | any of you guys manage to get quake4 running on Sarge? I keep getting segmentation fault crashing when trying to run the demo? |
| 09:26.33 | azeem | Yamaraj: the Linux kernel is *not* Linus' copyright |
| 09:26.39 | lunitik | Yamaraj: the kernel isn't his copyright... the term "Linux" is his copyright |
| 09:26.41 | azeem | every contributor retains their copyright |
| 09:27.03 | azeem | lunitik: s/his copyright/his trademark/ |
| 09:27.15 | lunitik | azeem: ahh, yes |
| 09:27.25 | nox-Hand | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:27.25 | nox-Hand | 130.239.18.151 root/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20060722/i386/iso-cd <-- Would that not be fine for download? Updated the 2006-07-22 23:39:00 |
| 09:27.46 | lunitik | nox-Hand: other than the fact thats a dir... sure |
| 09:28.01 | ma3x | when I use 'split' can I specify the size in MBytes, or must I always use -b for bytes? |
| 09:28.17 | nox-Hand | lucia, The file debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso is in it.. |
| 09:28.33 | Yamaraj | azeem: If it's not, why is Linus afraid of switching to GPLv3? |
| 09:28.37 | nox-Hand | Gah, the server does NOT work x( |
| 09:29.08 | lunitik | Yamaraj: he has his view like everyone else... thats his perogative... doesn't mean every peice of code has to follow what he says |
| 09:29.20 | Slapp | what stable release should i get to run on a laptop? |
| 09:29.31 | lunitik | Slapp: what kind of laptop is it? |
| 09:29.33 | azeem | Yamaraj: even if he wanted, he could not |
| 09:29.43 | Slapp | compaq m700 1.0ghz |
| 09:29.49 | azeem | it would take the consent of thousands of comitters (or rewriting their code) |
| 09:29.50 | nox-Hand | Alright, none of the files from that server worked, but one edited on the date 2006-07-11 23:29:00, should be fine, right? |
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| 09:29.55 | lunitik | Slapp: probably i386 then |
| 09:30.00 | Yamaraj | azeem: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/26/1418220 |
| 09:30.15 | azeem | Yamaraj: really, I am not interested a lot in this discussion |
| 09:30.16 | Slapp | ok thanks |
| 09:30.28 | Slapp | im running knoppix on it right now |
| 09:30.30 | Yamaraj | azeem: Ah ..well! |
| 09:30.30 | azeem | Yamaraj: have you written substantial code licensed under the CDDL that you want included in Debian? |
| 09:30.37 | Slapp | so hope it will work |
| 09:30.49 | Yamaraj | will be back |
| 09:30.52 | Yamaraj | power issues |
| 09:31.01 | Yamaraj | azeem: I'm writing under CDDL now. |
| 09:31.10 | crypt_ex | q4 demo keeps crashing at startup, I am not sure what to try. the output is here http://pastebin.ca/104874 if one of you guys dont mind having a little look and letting me know what you think, would be mostly appreciated. |
| 09:31.31 | c|int | hey lunitik, yeah, I"m familar with the linux26 ect, and other boot commands , lol I was doign that last year, I was reading up. so I wouldn't miss anything, and put down what was important |
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| 09:33.43 | Pete_I | anyone happen to know where in /dev/ the monitor is? it has to be there, right? |
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| 09:34.59 | lunitik | c|int: I feel you're overthinking things... you certainly shouldn't be installing debian for the first time(?) on a machine that is important to you... |
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| 09:35.23 | herbi | does anyone know if there are any shortfalls in security using SSL IRC to communicate? |
| 09:35.24 | lunitik | c|int: really though, its best to just go for it, and ask for help as you encounter issues... its really quite straight forward |
| 09:35.27 | ma3x | when I use 'split' can I specify the size in MBytes, or must I always use -b for bytes? |
| 09:35.37 | nox-Hand | lunitik, First time Linux for me was Gentoo, I was concerned about all my files, but took the chance :) |
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| 09:36.23 | nox-Hand | Can anyone host the file debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso on a decent mirror if they have it? The main mirror is down :( |
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| 09:38.13 | lunitik | nox-Hand: if you're in a rush, just install sarge and dist-upgrade like I said... else just wait till they fix the issue |
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| 09:39.07 | nox-Hand | lunitik, Hmn, I shall use a crappy 20kb/s mirror then |
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| 09:41.08 | blondie | lunitik: saying kde is crap is bad? |
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| 09:42.28 | lunitik | blondie: unless you have about an hour to debate the issue, yes |
| 09:42.40 | lunitik | blondie: :P |
| 09:42.45 | blondie | lunitik: but it's quite simple... "KDE is crap, EOF" |
| 09:42.48 | ice_1963 | were did he say that? |
| 09:43.00 | blondie | it's like saying "water is wet" |
| 09:43.14 | lunitik | blondie: what do you choose to use instead? |
| 09:43.23 | blondie | gnome :) |
| 09:43.33 | liran_ | could anyone check this pastebin entry of my xorg.conf and see why i dont have dualview for tv-out and vga screen? http://rafb.net/paste/results/6TEq9s14.html |
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| 09:44.20 | ice_1963 | blondie: ok if you say so :) |
| 09:44.26 | blondie | I do |
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| 09:45.17 | lunitik | blondie: digikam > f-spot/gphoto ... k3b > bonfire ... amarok > rhythmbox/banshee ... kmplayer > totem ... kde is more configurable than gnome... do i need to continue? |
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| 09:45.31 | blondie | lunitik: I don't care, it SUCKS |
| 09:45.54 | lunitik | blondie: kopete > gaim ... kontact > evolution ... koffice doesn't take an hour to load ... qt doesn't suck at refreshing |
| 09:46.09 | blondie | I don't care about those other programs |
| 09:46.14 | blondie | I don't use them |
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| 09:46.38 | lunitik | blondie: kde obides by open standards and open specs ... kde does what users want, rather than saying "no, we don't need that"... |
| 09:46.57 | blondie | uhuh |
| 09:47.03 | blondie | I don't care, so stop arguing. |
| 09:47.06 | ice_1963 | blondie: you can't get it work right |
| 09:47.15 | blondie | what? |
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| 09:47.32 | blondie | lunitik: I just hate it, so you can't convince me otherwise |
| 09:47.32 | lunitik | blondie: Gnome is pathetic really... isn't useful... and almost all apps have a better Qt alternative. |
| 09:48.06 | blondie | I'm not talking about those programs |
| 09:48.15 | crypt_ex | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.20 | lunitik | blondie: what are you discussing? |
| 09:48.21 | blondie | the KDE interface is awful |
| 09:48.37 | lunitik | blondie: Klearlooks looks the same as default Gnome :/ |
| 09:49.03 | lunitik | blondie: if your only merit for saying KDE sucks is its theme... you need to revisit your opinon |
| 09:49.07 | lunitik | opinion |
| 09:49.08 | blondie | no |
| 09:49.11 | blondie | I do not |
| 09:49.27 | blondie | if you like KDE, you need to "revisit" yours |
| 09:49.45 | lunitik | blondie: then please feel free to elaborate on "kde's interface is aweful" |
| 09:49.59 | blondie | I don't want to |
| 09:50.12 | lunitik | blondie: I can make KDE look exactly like Gnome, and send to the resulting .kde dir? |
| 09:50.21 | blondie | no you can't. |
| 09:50.28 | lunitik | blondie: don't think so? |
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| 09:50.39 | blondie | I know so |
| 09:50.45 | lunitik | blondie: defaults are meant to be changed |
| 09:50.46 | blondie | maybe it'll be similar, but no identical. |
| 09:50.46 | crypt_ex | apt-cache search does not help at all, too many |
| 09:50.51 | blondie | *not |
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| 09:52.05 | lunitik | blondie: very very similar |
| 09:52.25 | blondie | similar isn't good enough |
| 09:52.36 | blondie | and I'm not interested, I don't like KDE |
| 09:52.46 | blondie | you've more chance of convincing me to use gentoo |
| 09:53.00 | eastwood | gentoo -> waste of time |
| 09:53.18 | lunitik | blondie: what do you like about Gnome? |
| 09:53.44 | blondie | shrug |
| 09:53.50 | blondie | I don't want to have this argument |
| 09:53.54 | physos | *sigh* |
| 09:54.00 | ice_1963 | he like's firefox |
| 09:54.04 | lunitik | blondie: I warned you... you still have about 40 mins |
| 09:54.15 | lunitik | ice_1963: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 09:54.17 | blondie | lunitik: stop it before I ignore you |
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| 09:54.56 | lunitik | blondie: defend your view next time you consciously engage in debate... you've been here long enough to know its a touchy subject for me |
| 09:55.36 | blondie | lunitik: why should I? |
| 09:55.58 | ice_1963 | well i like kde and that's what i run :) |
| 09:56.04 | lunitik | blondie: because otherwise you look like an idiot |
| 09:56.09 | blondie | and I don't like it, that's all there is to it. |
| 09:56.34 | blondie | lunitik: no, that's you for making a huge argument out of me saying I don't like KDE |
| 09:56.38 | blondie | jeez |
| 09:56.38 | lunitik | blondie: you can't state what you don't like... other than "interface"... and you can't state why you like your choice |
| 09:56.51 | blondie | i can, but I don't want to. |
| 09:57.26 | lunitik | blondie: then you shouldn't engage me... just don't comment at all |
| 09:58.29 | c|int | blondie: |
| 09:58.29 | joeyjones | so who thinks that vista will be a flop? |
| 09:58.36 | lunitik | blondie: was originally a joke... but you decided to call my bluff. |
| 09:58.41 | c|int | I hear ya,, gnome to me, is more of a stable gui, for linux , and unix.. period |
| 09:58.42 | ice_1963 | me |
| 09:58.43 | Gnea | !vista |
| 09:58.44 | dpkg | i guess vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
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| 09:59.37 | c|int | KDE< just takes alot of editing etc.. KDE used to be my favorite , when I started out on linux,, etc.. Mandrake, then Fedora Core, then Xandros and so on.. Xandros just opened the window of debian for me, but hee, I on ubuntu now.. just was doing somethings, and now I"m going force myself to master everything I can with debian :) |
| 09:59.56 | lunitik | c|int: please don't continue... |
| 10:00.03 | enouf | !Blista |
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| 10:00.07 | c|int | hey lunitik, I even got my wireless light LED blinkin. lool |
| 10:00.10 | c|int | :-) |
| 10:00.20 | c|int | hope I can do that in debian as well :-) |
| 10:00.26 | sanmarcos | during apt-get upgrade I selected N to a configuration file update, the software update failed. How can I see a diff of the updates now? |
| 10:00.50 | c|int | also.. alot of things, got to get up and working, that is possible for my system, and systems,, if ubuntu can do it, so can I , i'm just tired of hacking ubuntu, to make it how I want. :) |
| 10:01.12 | enouf | darn bot needs to learn some new terminology :-o |
| 10:01.12 | c|int | is there a way, I can purge, debian from installing KDE, because I liked how.. it just installed gnome, on testing/unstable, |
| 10:01.16 | lunitik | c|int: you start getting Debian installed yet? |
| 10:01.28 | c|int | first, I had a few questions |
| 10:01.32 | lunitik | c |
| 10:01.33 | ice_1963 | what is that? |
| 10:01.39 | c|int | post installation questions :-) |
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| 10:01.45 | lunitik | c|int: targeted questions are more effective |
| 10:02.01 | c|int | I don't want to install, the KDE desktop.. peroid |
| 10:02.03 | c|int | period* |
| 10:02.13 | lunitik | blondie: sorry.... just avoid the topic of KDE with me, thank you :D |
| 10:02.45 | blondie | !java |
| 10:02.45 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 10:02.56 | c|int | !debian |
| 10:02.57 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 10:03.01 | lunitik | c|int: cool... proceed with install... don't choose desktop... and just install what you want after |
| 10:03.03 | c|int | lool |
| 10:03.13 | c|int | oh , I see, |
| 10:03.18 | lunitik | c|int: get going with install... if you have issues come back |
| 10:03.24 | c|int | so if I want to.. install the gnome, I do.. apt-get install gnome-desktop right? |
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| 10:03.45 | ice_1963 | or core |
| 10:03.50 | lunitik | c|int: gnome, gnome-desktop-environment, or just gnome-core depending on how much you like being in control |
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| 10:04.07 | c|int | I can also do.. apt-get install xserver-common, I know 1 of them, have to do. but bleh, testing/unstable, only installs gnome for you :) |
| 10:04.09 | war95 | Anyone having issues during apt-get dist-upgrade with ftp.kernel.org for ETch? |
| 10:04.33 | ice_1963 | xserver-xorg |
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| 10:04.43 | lunitik | war95: you mean ftp://mirrors.kernel.org ? |
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| 10:04.47 | ice_1963 | or xfree |
| 10:04.57 | war95 | lunaphyte_: yes |
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| 10:05.01 | war95 | lunitik: yes |
| 10:05.02 | lunitik | ice_1963: already gone... it'd be x-window-system-core though |
| 10:05.03 | c|int | what will give me everything, including x, so I don't have to worry about that,, gnome-desktop-environment or .. gnome-core |
| 10:05.24 | waiting | c|int: everything? :D |
| 10:05.40 | c|int | lol, no.. just something like what testing/unstable does!!!! >_< |
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| 10:05.59 | lunitik | war95: no issues here... |
| 10:06.26 | Gnea | c|int: x-window-system-core and gnome |
| 10:06.32 | c|int | and no, I don't want everything, and I want especially support for acpi.. argh |
| 10:06.38 | lunitik | Well, other than KDE 3.5.4 being only half in at the moment, thus dep issues |
| 10:06.50 | war95 | lunitik: yeah wrking now, not 1hr ago though |
| 10:06.50 | lunitik | c|int: Go install! |
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| 10:07.09 | ski | when i boot up (or run '/etc/init.d/networking restart') it says 'eth0: No such device' .. but it has worked before (i have not changed hardware config in the box) .. any idea what could be the problem ? |
| 10:07.12 | lunitik | c|int: you're over thinking... just make sure you only install base... then install what you want from there |
| 10:07.19 | ice_1963 | lunitik: well i install xserver-xorg then x-window-system-core then remove xterm :) |
| 10:07.23 | c|int | thanks, I got my debian book somewhere, and books, but I just missing something.. so I"ll just get.. the debian net install, eh want to point me to stable, debian netinstall, and I'll just download it on this, and burn it.. |
| 10:07.42 | lunitik | ice_1963: I install xorg... because I read x-window-system-core deps first :/ |
| 10:07.55 | c|int | lunitik: , NO I"m not over thinking.. I just don't want alot of bullchit :) |
| 10:08.18 | waiting | c|int: that's hard to avoid |
| 10:08.19 | lunitik | c|int: I'm telling you to only install base, and work from there. |
| 10:08.24 | c|int | I'm going right some of tihs down, and going to eat some food, :) |
| 10:08.38 | c|int | I will, thanks bud, and read my books too :) |
| 10:08.52 | lunitik | waiting: its not hard at all so long as you don't go installing huge meta-packages |
| 10:09.12 | waiting | lunitik: like tasksel "Desktop Environment" ,))) |
| 10:09.12 | c|int | yep |
| 10:09.33 | waiting | it's ok tho if one simply want to ... ike that it runs |
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| 10:09.35 | lunitik | waiting: luckily, for etch, that only installs Gnome now... rather than kde and gnome :/ |
| 10:10.09 | waiting | lunitik: interesting. it should lead to a question "do you want KDE or Gnome or Both?" |
| 10:10.17 | lunitik | umm... aptitude, not synaptic :/ |
| 10:10.49 | waiting | becaue both are good :p |
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| 10:10.56 | lunitik | waiting: installing either gets you a bloated system |
| 10:11.09 | waiting | lunitik: by "you" you mean me? |
| 10:11.13 | waiting | lunitik: :))) |
| 10:11.15 | lunitik | waiting: 'gnome' and 'kde' are my least favorate meta-packages |
| 10:11.40 | Guerin | i suppose aspell is the other one |
| 10:11.42 | lunitik | waiting: sure, if you select that option |
| 10:11.48 | waiting | but then, KDE is installed and all the KDE books/docs apply |
| 10:12.35 | lunitik | waiting: things like noatun, juk... installed also... amoungst other things... |
| 10:12.36 | c|int | Gnea: , your a gag lol, your like the guy on... Ankorman, that agree's with that guy and follows the guy with long hair, forgot his name LOOOL>> no offense :P |
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| 10:12.55 | Guerin | ... |
| 10:13.10 | lunitik | Guerin: I'm using aspell damnit... I just suck at stopping and correcting things |
| 10:13.15 | sanmarcos | during apt-get upgrade I selected N to a configuration file update, the software update failed. How can I see a diff of the updates now? |
| 10:13.17 | waiting | lunitik: I mean, there _are_ KDE books, right? |
| 10:13.27 | enouf | c|int: ~$ dpkg -l | grep gnome --> listed here; http://pastebin.ca/104903 |
| 10:13.41 | lunitik | waiting: no idea... good docs though |
| 10:14.13 | waiting | lunitik: yeah, so people read them, and the books simply go by the assumption "KDE is fully installed" and that means (for example) complete kdemultimedia, too |
| 10:14.28 | waiting | lunitik: it's naturally not an option for advanced users |
| 10:15.16 | lunitik | waiting: I never install those meta packages |
| 10:15.51 | lunitik | waiting: only annoyance is things like Apollon depends kdemultimedia for preview :/ |
| 10:16.06 | waiting | lunitik: that's not good |
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| 10:16.23 | lunitik | waiting: its not a strict depend in the package though, so whatever |
| 10:16.45 | sanmarcos | during apt-get upgrade I selected N to a configuration file update, the software update failed. How can I see a diff of the updates now? |
| 10:16.47 | lunitik | waiting: that got orphaned recently too, so maybe they'll build with kaffeine support or something |
| 10:16.54 | c|int | thanks enouf, I was writing some stuff down, getting ready to eat, and maybe watch a movie, before I do the install, I have a question, any good, stable.. debian netinstall, I can download, while I am eating :) |
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| 10:16.57 | lunitik | they = new maintainer |
| 10:17.08 | c|int | also guys, I'm either wanting to use.. ReiserFS or xfs, |
| 10:17.16 | enouf | lunatik: do you knwo anything (new / current) about getting the Auto Spell-checker? Referring to being able to Disable it entirely in KDE 3.5.3? |
| 10:17.21 | lunitik | c|int: cool? |
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| 10:17.52 | enouf | c|int: Dunno -- I got the CD 01 of Stable and upgraded to Sid ;-) |
| 10:18.09 | lunitik | enouf: umm... just configure it in KControl > KDE Components > Spell Checker ... pick one thats actually installed etc |
| 10:18.52 | enouf | lunatik: I want to DISABLE it entirely and Can't :-( |
| 10:19.13 | lunitik | enouf: heh... set it wrong ;) |
| 10:19.37 | enouf | lunitik: <-- spelled correctly now (no thanks to spell-checker and no pun intended ) |
| 10:19.38 | c|int | well, I did, xfs, on testing/unstable, but system was still kind of buggy :) |
| 10:19.39 | lunitik | enouf: like... set it to you hspell or whatever as client... unlikely thats installed |
| 10:20.24 | c|int | and I managed to get my native display on my laptop to.. 1280x800 , but I had to manually, edit the xorg.conf, and I mean.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was funked up .. I even tried, -plow and it wouldn't modify the system :) |
| 10:20.48 | enouf | lunitik: I've looked into it previously and its a Bug -- and it seems it's part of the libc6 pkg which means Compiling KDE from scratch, if I don;t want spell-checking enabled |
| 10:20.50 | c|int | so then, dpkg was broke :) |
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| 10:20.59 | b_jonas | c|int: try reading the comments at the beginning of xorg.conf |
| 10:21.42 | c|int | well, what i"m going do is.. get off this ubuntu mode.. :P.. which I been for quite sometime, along with running vmware for linux inside it, and just do alot of reading if I have too, because here is the most important I want to do, and must |
| 10:22.05 | lunitik | enouf: setting it to use a client that isn't installed would result in ensuring it didn't check your spelling. |
| 10:22.39 | lunitik | !tell c|int about xorgmd5 |
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| 10:23.07 | c|int | 1. I want to get acpi support for my acer laptop, thats a must.. 2.. I want to get xorg in, the correct display and resolution of my laptop, and the driver its going take to do it, i810, , 3, the wireless I was able to get working, with ubuntu, installing that firmware cutter thing, and the, putting that in.. /lib/firmware, Now i"m worried if.. I have to install that ... "bcm43xx on debian.. probably do.. e |
| 10:23.27 | enouf | lunitik: I know you may think so -- but it's "always" enabled whenever replying in web text boxes -- I've uninstalled and purged all/anything I could to "break" it -- and trust me, I'm g-o-o-d at breaking things ;-) |
| 10:23.58 | c|int | or does.. bcm43xx support that, then I can just install that firmware cutter ordeal, and then do what I must. to get wireless working |
| 10:24.02 | lunitik | enouf: if things are being corrected still, you're not good at breaking it |
| 10:24.27 | lunitik | !tell c|int about ndiswrapper |
| 10:24.40 | lunitik | c|int: i810 is supported |
| 10:24.41 | c|int | lunk |
| 10:24.55 | enouf | lunitik: Allow me to rephrase -- it's NOT underlining and actually spell-checking, but I can HEAR the spell-checking engine working in the background...I'll disregard that false statement for about myself now :-P |
| 10:24.58 | lunitik | acpi will be installed by default |
| 10:25.16 | cafuego | c|int: If it's a 4306, the fwcutter will be fine; otherwise use ndiswrapper. |
| 10:25.21 | ice_1963 | lunitik: i need to get my printer going ..and i'm runing testing right now an kde and i installed cupsys cupsys-bsd an pritconf and my printer still don't work how can fix it? |
| 10:25.23 | c|int | lun, yes I"m quite aware of ndiswrapper, however was never able to get it working. the bcm43xx , ubuntu put into the kernel modules, etc.. and testing/unstable, was able to read that.. my correct card, and sarge can't.. |
| 10:25.38 | c|int | so what I"m thinking I"m going do. is wait my patient self, until Debian 4 gets released |
| 10:25.43 | cafuego | c|int: sarge doesn't incloude the bcm43xx driver. |
| 10:25.51 | c|int | figures.. |
| 10:26.04 | cafuego | You could simply add a newer kernel... |
| 10:26.05 | c|int | well, I'm on my wireless now. and believe me , it took alot of hacking to get the sucker to work |
| 10:26.23 | c|int | well, simply, is not always simple :-) |
| 10:26.41 | c|int | due to the fact, dam funkin Acer foo's .. make the dang sucker hard as heck to support |
| 10:26.42 | lunitik | ice_1963: localhost:631 and set kprint to use cups :/ |
| 10:27.07 | c|int | I mean get this cafuego, acer wouldn't even give me, my correct, Horizontal and Vertical Sync ranges, what my screen was capable of |
| 10:27.27 | lunitik | ice_1963: also, install the foomatic drivers etc... |
| 10:27.30 | c|int | and, I'm giving this laptop eventually to my girlfriend, and gettin a Duo Core, or the next AMD Mobile system that comes out, which I will probably , most defanately |
| 10:27.58 | lunitik | ice_1963: see "apt-cache show cupsys" @ recommends and suggests for driver things |
| 10:27.58 | Benix | I am running ndiswrapper 1.21 here, but I think sid is no alternative for you |
| 10:28.01 | ice_1963 | lunitik: for hp? |
| 10:28.38 | lunitik | ice_1963: apt-cache show hplip |
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| 10:28.39 | sanmarcos | where are the debs I download throguh apt kept? |
| 10:29.10 | ice_1963 | lunitik: it's a photosmart 7350 |
| 10:29.11 | lunitik | ice_1963: apt-cache search hplip (note -ppd and hpijs) |
| 10:29.25 | sanmarcos | fuck this |
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| 10:29.39 | lunitik | ice_1963: neat... what does google say about it? |
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| 10:30.35 | lunitik | ice_1963: chances are the drivers are somewhere ... hp has a decent track record with open source afaik |
| 10:30.41 | waiting | Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mysql.sourceforge.net' ... *sigh* |
| 10:31.04 | c|int | benix, I"m just going to hack ubuntu , like I always do, then clone my install, and so forth, also study on understanding the kernel, cleaning up.. source compiling. which I can do.. in alot of ways.. just no expert, but I Do know.. to hack services etc.. so.. I will wait til, Debian 4 gets released, |
| 10:31.24 | ArmEagle | ok.. why cant i get my 'bash' to either read /etc/inputrc (where is this 'called'). Or why doesn't exporting 'bind -p', adding entries and importing with 'bind -f' work (doesnt then show up in 'bind -p') |
| 10:31.26 | c|int | heck, I need to relax, and take a break from computers in general, I always come back.. really refreshed |
| 10:31.35 | Benix | ;) |
| 10:31.50 | enouf | lunitik: Just to finish my thoughts: I'm sure you've heard the term "trust me" before -- For ex; I can bring any *nix system to it's knees quite easily...It's just a knack I have -- All I have to do is just start aimlessly wandering throughout the OS and go "hmmm- let's see what clicking this does" , but this is true for ANY OS I touch! |
| 10:32.02 | c|int | I will be seeing you guys though, but will help out, and get ideas, what i can maybe do, to reverse engineer ubuntu |
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| 10:32.41 | lunitik | c|int: Debian starts you off with a minimal system which you build up... Ubuntu starts you out with a bloated system that you build down... anything thats possible with one is possible with the other however |
| 10:32.42 | c|int | lunitik: , no I"m not, its a matter of alot of hardware support.. right now.. for my 2 systems, in which I'm going to wait***** like I said.. for debian 4, because I really liked. how debian testing/unstable, was packaged, and how it was so diff, from sarge |
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| 10:33.18 | _al_ | what version of debian do you use? |
| 10:33.23 | c|int | correct, I agree with you 100%, and thats why I have to hack the dam thing, every time, but .. at least they have someone like me, to reverse engineer the system, for alot of my friends, which will see things great, in which they do |
| 10:33.28 | lunitik | !question |
| 10:33.29 | dpkg | You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>. |
| 10:33.37 | lunitik | !questions |
| 10:33.38 | dpkg | remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> |
| 10:33.42 | ArmEagle | oh btw 'uname -a' Linux armydeb 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux (testing iirc) |
| 10:33.42 | c|int | I thank debian, for sysv-rc-conf |
| 10:33.43 | lunitik | grrrr |
| 10:33.58 | lunitik | c|int: you thank Debian for everything about Ubuntu |
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| 10:34.14 | c|int | and so much for everything they do, don't think I don't lunitik, but , around Christmas, I knw I"m going be quite thankful, for the stable build, you'll see, I promise |
| 10:34.23 | c|int | lunitik: |
| 10:34.24 | c|int | I do |
| 10:34.28 | lunitik | c|int: they just package a bloated system for you without allowing for choice |
| 10:34.35 | c|int | lunitik: |
| 10:34.43 | c|int | thats what I was saying, is why I hack it man |
| 10:34.55 | c|int | are you not getting that I do.. do things that make it better, it just is a pain, |
| 10:34.55 | ski | maybe i should try and get my bro over here (if he's still in town) .. he knows more about hardware than me |
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| 10:35.16 | c|int | its kernel support, hardware, etc.. acpi . which debian 4 is going be great, you see what i"m saying |
| 10:35.17 | lunitik | ski: you have a question? |
| 10:35.25 | enouf | c|int: try 'rcconf' as well |
| 10:35.33 | ski | er, yes, (but that was a mispaste) |
| 10:35.50 | ski | <ski> when i boot up (or run '/etc/init.d/networking restart') it says 'eth0: No such device' .. but it has worked before (i have not changed hardware config in the box) .. any idea what could be the problem ? |
| 10:35.52 | lunitik | c|int: everything you're saying, I'm not seeing possible problems |
| 10:35.59 | Yamaraj | c|int: What's so good about Debian 4 that you keep mentioning it? |
| 10:36.02 | c|int | I don't have the time right now. to be spending alot of time. with configuration, which I spent like, 8 hours straight, just getting, my resolution settings, and display right, which I wanted to do. since last year, with debian , and that was testing/unstable, at that |
| 10:36.11 | c|int | Yamaraj: |
| 10:36.19 | c|int | I 'm saying, what the feature it has, and is going have, |
| 10:36.23 | lunitik | ski: /etc/network/interfaces says what about eth0? |
| 10:36.29 | lunitik | ski: your dhcp isn't down? |
| 10:36.42 | c|int | its still in high development, but I"m saying, its great to see that alot of things are getting added into the kernel, and snapshots |
| 10:36.48 | lunitik | c|int: nothing you're saying can't be done today |
| 10:36.54 | Yamaraj | I'm sure Debian 4 won't be like SUSE. :-P |
| 10:37.01 | enouf | ski: 'ifup eth0' says what? |
| 10:37.08 | c|int | lunitik: , I understand that, tell that ot the people that think its impossible |
| 10:37.16 | c|int | me I dont, its just a matter of putting alot of time into it |
| 10:37.18 | ski | enouf : roughly 'no such device' |
| 10:37.23 | c|int | and I'm very busy with alot of projects |
| 10:37.29 | lunitik | ski: module it loaded? |
| 10:37.36 | lunitik | ski: can you at least ping localhost? |
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| 10:37.57 | ski | (i have to reboot it again, booted win98 to see what it thought about the ethernet card .. looked ok) |
| 10:37.58 | lunitik | Yamaraj: I'm not entirely sure that'd be a bad thing though |
| 10:37.59 | c|int | however, I think your a really cool prson lun, and ver helpful and encouraging to others, please don't loose that quality about yourself |
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| 10:38.34 | lunitik | c|int: I just want you to try today, because I think if you're trying to customize Ubuntu, Debian would fit you better |
| 10:38.42 | enouf | ski: are you sure you have only 1 wired connection(ethernet)? what abou wireless? what does 'sudo ipconfig -a' say? use Pastebin to post results |
| 10:38.56 | lunitik | c|int: Ubuntu, you argue with what they provide... Debian, you start with control |
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| 10:39.07 | Yamaraj | lunitik: So you actually like SUSE? It's not that I don't, but there are alot of things about it that keep me away from it. |
| 10:39.23 | lunitik | Yamaraj: yes, I like SUSE |
| 10:39.28 | c|int | but 1 thing I tell you lunitik, I"m first person, at my College, to even start using ubuntu, on the laptops we got, even debian, and got wireless working, and vmware installed, and working properly, editing services, run levels, offering support for commercial software, codeweavers, crossover, Office, Cedega, etc.. adding multimedia support into the system, and security |
| 10:39.51 | lunitik | Yamaraj: I like Novell too, because they are providing a lot right now to the community at large |
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| 10:40.03 | c|int | lunitik: , I agree with you 120%, and don't think I do. are you saying that , as a statement, in third party, because I already know that |
| 10:40.19 | ice_1963 | c|int: Debian is better then ubuntu |
| 10:40.19 | Yamaraj | lunitik: But they're definitely not as 'open' as some would like them to be. |
| 10:40.34 | c|int | lunitik: , thing with SUSE is.. jus tmake sure its on the right proc settings.. because if not. it runs slow.. |
| 10:40.41 | c|int | ice_1963: , I knwo that |
| 10:40.45 | c|int | I"m not 12 years old |
| 10:40.52 | lunitik | Yamaraj: I think in some cases, its better to release a functioning project, rather than include people from the start... |
| 10:40.57 | c|int | its hardware issues for me bud |
| 10:41.09 | enouf | ski: don't tell me<sigh> ....you have zeroconf installed <shakes fist> |
| 10:41.18 | lunitik | Yamaraj: they can improve their communication imo... but most of what they do comes back |
| 10:41.48 | Yamaraj | lunitik: It's true that they're contributing back to the community, but they need to improve, IMHO. |
| 10:42.00 | c|int | and I'm willing to wait.. for Debian 4 etch to come out, and in that time, do alot of studying on linux commands, adminstartion, security for linux, hardening linux.. modifying the shell to fit my needs, programming, troubleshooting. etc |
| 10:42.31 | Yamaraj | c|int: Quit that Debian 4 song please. ;-) |
| 10:42.34 | c|int | and plus.. think as this ice, I at 1 time, use to run, like about, 10 operating system's, on 1 hard drive alone, not saying you could do alot more, and I did that with ACronis Disk Director Suite |
| 10:42.51 | enouf | c|int: Here's my kernel line options from /boot/grub/menu.lst --> "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro acpi=force |
| 10:42.51 | enouf | " |
| 10:42.56 | ArmEagle | Defo: heb je mss die ene battlefield2.ms14.gamespy.com verwijzing naar 127.0.0.1 verwijderd? De rest lijkt nog wel goed te werken |
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| 10:43.12 | enouf | c|int: notice anything about ACPI ? |
| 10:43.14 | c|int | what I would do is. select the OS I wanted to boot up into , at system boot, and was setting business's up with that, but, I use vmware, for other systems, inside linux |
| 10:43.16 | azeem | ArmEagle: please write in english in here |
| 10:43.18 | ArmEagle | doh sorry :P |
| 10:43.22 | ArmEagle | wrong channel |
| 10:43.25 | c|int | ah |
| 10:43.31 | c|int | yep |
| 10:43.35 | c|int | so its not. acpi=on |
| 10:43.37 | lunitik | ArmEagle: that german? looks funny |
| 10:43.43 | ski | enouf,lunitik : very weird, now that i rebooted into debian gnu/linux again, eth0 went up .. i rebooted once or twice before, and it didn't help then |
| 10:43.43 | lunitik | Dutch? |
| 10:43.52 | c|int | thats what I did, and it didnt' help out, so maybe what you gave me, can help out |
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| 10:43.55 | ArmEagle | dutch |
| 10:44.00 | c|int | thanks enouf |
| 10:44.04 | lunitik | ArmEagle: Amsterdam is a fun city :D |
| 10:44.27 | ice_1963 | c|int: it's more then hardware issuse you know it... |
| 10:44.29 | ArmEagle | hehe i've only been there a few times myself |
| 10:44.35 | c|int | I seen something on that actually, for a guy that installed, debian on the ACer Aspire like I got, 3610, and gentoo, and there was this other guy, who installed Slackare 10.2 |
| 10:44.46 | enouf | c|int: Go look at the knoppix.net wiki about kernel parameters http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 |
| 10:44.49 | c|int | ice, yes, I know its a matter of me, just doing it |
| 10:45.03 | c|int | so meh |
| 10:45.08 | enouf | c|int: ^_^ |
| 10:45.08 | ski | enouf,lunitik : anyway, ty |
| 10:45.13 | lunitik | ArmEagle: spent 4 days there... don't remember much, other than being stoned at embassies when you have to get things done is very complicated |
| 10:45.24 | ArmEagle | hehe |
| 10:45.27 | c|int | let me write that down, enouf |
| 10:45.27 | lunitik | ski: you're welcome... I love it when software decides to fix itself :P |
| 10:45.31 | enouf | ski: ( Reposting )don't tell me<sigh> ....you have zeroconf installed <shakes fist> |
| 10:46.17 | enouf | apt-cache show zeroconf |
| 10:46.18 | c|int | okay, copied that, I also got what owh, said to me about isntalling xorg, on sarge, -> owh> c|int: I followed the instructions on backport, added a source, did an apt-get update, apt-get -t sarge-backports install xorg |
| 10:46.43 | c|int | because I have to have that, in order for me to get my native resolution display, correctly for debian, |
| 10:46.59 | c|int | the guy that did the Slackware install, also said that, |
| 10:47.14 | c|int | its for the Widescreen resolution of 1280x800, |
| 10:47.42 | lunitik | enouf: does avahi even provide that kind of functionality? I thought it did, but doesn't sound like it from the description |
| 10:47.52 | c|int | 1 thing I experience with debian though, is I didn't have no 3d acceleration, which I do in ubuntu, and thats weird, because I got that i810 up.. I"m wondering. it also said something on.. no dri or something |
| 10:48.24 | enouf | c|int: My kernel line is like that b/c I'm on an old Intel Pentium 440bx Mobo circa 2000, and without tha line, it defaults to apm, or nothing 0-- BUT many laptops may require diff parameters |
| 10:48.39 | c|int | oh okay, cool |
| 10:48.51 | enouf | lunitik: avahi? (goes and apt-caches avahi) |
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| 10:49.15 | c|int | thanks enouf, I did the.. acpi=on, and that didn't work, no wonder, um, could you maybe help me with.. my graphics, and wireless, and thats pretty much the only things I need, because I can figure other stuff out np |
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| 10:49.46 | c|int | I got wireless on m acer now.. but you see, ubuntu comes with that, bcm43xx in the kernel, so bet there is a way I can install that |
| 10:49.49 | c|int | ? |
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| 10:50.28 | lunitik | enouf: avahi-daemon (publish) and avahi-discover (self explanitory) |
| 10:51.08 | enouf | lunitik: got it now, after 'apt-cache search avahi' but Zeroconf is also it's own pkg |
| 10:51.32 | enouf | c|int: I'll try with graphics, but not so good with Wifi :( |
| 10:51.33 | c|int | and what I did was, I installed that, " bcm43xx-fwcutter", and then, took the drivers from the cd which the ACer supplied, and for the laptop, and extracted and did what I had to do, for the /lib/firmware, but it went to home, then I had to copy them all from home, and put them in /lib/firmware, which if I really wanted too, I could start ubuntu up in recovery mode, and then just do startx, and I would be totally in a root x |
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| 10:52.10 | enouf | ski: still there? echo ski |
| 10:52.47 | c|int | thats okay enouf, the acpi, and grahpics would be so awesome , because I knwo defanately, I could probably research, or figure out, how to .. install or put bcm43xx in the kernel of debian, modprobe it, and make it start, then, do that firmware cutter thing, but I'm wonder, really I don't think.. debian needs ndiswrapper at all |
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| 10:53.07 | lunitik | enouf: afaik, avahi is the preferred mDNS method for linux atm |
| 10:53.17 | c|int | we just need to make, firmware hacks, and things for debian, hee |
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| 10:53.31 | lunitik | enouf: chosen over howl ... and I guess zeroconf |
| 10:53.33 | c|int | and enouf, its truly possible :) |
| 10:54.14 | lunitik | enouf: gnome and kde both use avahi by default... |
| 10:54.22 | c|int | oh yeah, before I forget, so if I want to upgrade to the latest gnome environment, on debian sarge, would I add the repositories from testing/unstable ? |
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| 10:54.47 | lunitik | enouf: similarly dbus now... and hal |
| 10:54.48 | _stev_ | I wanna install debian from floppy. anyone a suggestion for a wireless pcmcia card that works out of the box? |
| 10:54.49 | c|int | and then just.. put # after I'm done, so I don't have to worry about making mistake for any updates, etc |
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| 10:55.04 | c|int | stev |
| 10:55.12 | c|int | I hear ralink, and Orinoco are really great |
| 10:55.14 | aitiba | nas |
| 10:55.21 | c|int | for linux systems in general |
| 10:55.26 | c|int | and FReeBSD |
| 10:55.39 | enouf | lunitik: see http://pastebin.ca/104927 ...that's what's installed on my Sid/unstable |
| 10:55.41 | aitiba | alguien sabe si existe algun producto para limpiar la pantalla de un portatil |
| 10:55.50 | c|int | nas? |
| 10:55.54 | c|int | hey enouf |
| 10:55.59 | c|int | I'm right about that, ain't I bro? |
| 10:56.09 | azeem | !es |
| 10:56.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:56.13 | c|int | I pretty well confident, about recommending those pcmcia's :-) |
| 10:56.13 | enouf | c|int: shoot -- oh ok I'm reding |
| 10:56.23 | enouf | c|int: s/reding/reading |
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| 10:56.55 | aitiba | sorry a confusion I thint that im in #debian-es |
| 10:57.11 | c|int | hey enouf, last night, is when I finally got , for the first time, wireless working on my laptop for linux, since I had it.. from October of last year, and was wanting to do it, ever since |
| 10:57.11 | enouf | c|int: an ACER laptop ? What's the display card ? Are you using Xorg or Xfree86? |
| 10:57.23 | c|int | oh, I havn't installed debian yet |
| 10:57.27 | c|int | 1 sec |
| 10:57.29 | _stev_ | c|int: thanks for the tip |
| 10:57.32 | c|int | np stev |
| 10:57.34 | lunitik | enouf: he's using Ubuntu |
| 10:57.42 | c|int | they also, make native drivers for them cards as well |
| 10:57.52 | c|int | I had a slackware dev, tell me to get an Orinoco |
| 10:58.05 | c|int | and dude is bright |
| 10:58.14 | lunitik | enouf: he's just being a pest, preparing for imminent install of Debian in December apparently :/ |
| 10:58.35 | c|int | he made like. split screen, for x-shell, or that , out of x, and still in enlightenment, it was a gag |
| 10:58.55 | lunitik | enouf: researching 5 months in advance things that needn't really be researched |
| 10:58.59 | c|int | lunitik: , actually maybe not, if I can rebuild, debian how I want |
| 10:59.06 | c|int | oh come on :( |
| 10:59.07 | enouf | lunitik: yeah -- I know, but I can tell he's a bit desparate, and he's not being overly obnoxious....I try ;-) |
| 10:59.17 | c|int | thanks enouf :D |
| 10:59.23 | c|int | stick up for the IT :) |
| 10:59.30 | enouf | c|int: No prob :-p |
| 10:59.36 | c|int | lunitik: , smoke some green :D |
| 10:59.40 | c|int | ;P |
| 10:59.46 | lunitik | enouf: I'll be glad to help him in 5 months, today, its pointless... |
| 10:59.55 | tenzing_ | whats the best torrent client i can install on debian |
| 11:00.02 | eastwood | tenzing_, azureus |
| 11:00.08 | c|int | Azureus is nice |
| 11:00.08 | lunitik | tenzing_: the one that works best for you |
| 11:00.13 | lunitik | That isn't azureus |
| 11:00.20 | lunitik | Local java apps are a bad idea |
| 11:00.35 | lunitik | At least in my opinion |
| 11:00.39 | c|int | Java, is so it can connect to all platforms, lunitik and you should know that.. expert u :) |
| 11:00.40 | eastwood | not mine |
| 11:00.43 | enouf | lunitik: agreed ...IF there are some commands that can help him analyze his hardware using a Deb-based thingy (ubuntu) |
| 11:00.44 | eastwood | portability |
| 11:00.44 | tenzing_ | lunitik, eastwood .. i mean which i can install using apt-get |
| 11:00.48 | c|int | only expert, of what you deal with, intelligence, is great :) |
| 11:00.53 | eastwood | tenzing_, you can |
| 11:01.00 | azeem | there's not a big difference between local java or mono apps, and everybody loves the new shiney mono apps |
| 11:01.06 | c|int | lunitik: , when you manage windows systems all the time, you kind of go nuts man |
| 11:01.12 | lunitik | tenzing_: apt-cache search torrent |
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| 11:01.29 | c|int | and its like, I don't want to even accept the money, for a Vista buid, to reverse engineer it.. hee |
| 11:01.30 | eastwood | ktorrent is also good |
| 11:01.38 | lunitik | tenzing_: azureus is available |
| 11:01.39 | eastwood | but azureus is absolutely awesome |
| 11:01.51 | enouf | c|int: Try these pkgs, 'dmidecode' and 'hwinfo' as well as the commands 'sudo lspci -vv' -- and depending if hal and udev are there 'hal-device | less' |
| 11:01.58 | c|int | yeah, Azureus will give you peer sources, by far |
| 11:02.03 | DerJamster | bittornado for console goodness ;) |
| 11:02.06 | c|int | you just have to watch, the net usage |
| 11:02.11 | eastwood | add torrent remotely |
| 11:02.16 | tenzing_ | will try azureus then |
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| 11:02.20 | lunitik | DerJamster: you, you, you... GEEK! |
| 11:02.24 | DerJamster | :D |
| 11:02.30 | DerJamster | lunitik: hey, my server has no gui ;P |
| 11:02.30 | lunitik | DerJamster: haha... someone had to bring that one up :P |
| 11:02.39 | c|int | and thing is.. 2 each of there own like they say, but i you really want to get into better things, go sftp, |
| 11:02.58 | c|int | if you want security, even though Azureus, provides standard encryption |
| 11:03.14 | tenzing_ | eastwood, lunitik, any other client that doesnt use java |
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| 11:03.24 | c|int | have you set cyphers though, on bittornado, or ktorrent? guys? |
| 11:03.32 | c|int | eh? |
| 11:03.34 | c|int | ;) |
| 11:03.42 | lunitik | tenzing_: I told you how to look for yourself |
| 11:03.52 | lunitik | tenzing_: stop being lazy |
| 11:04.04 | c|int | oh coo enouf, sorry I"m eating |
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| 11:04.22 | lunitik | tenzing_: there are a bunch :/ |
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| 11:04.35 | enouf | ski: wherefore art thou ski? |
| 11:04.35 | tenzing_ | lunitik, ok .. but if i have to install java then i have to download more stuff .. i thought |
| 11:04.56 | enouf | c|int: that's fine...slow down....enjoy the meal ;-) |
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| 11:05.08 | eastwood | dependencies... |
| 11:05.14 | lunitik | tenzing_: only java based torrent client stated is azureus |
| 11:05.18 | eastwood | ktorrent will depend on kdelibs ... |
| 11:05.29 | c|int | gee. thanks alot o.o |
| 11:05.41 | lunitik | eastwood: gnome-btdownload will depend *gnome* |
| 11:05.47 | raf256 | how can I print a list of all installed packages like "mc amarok kaffeine" so that I can use that list on other pc in apt-get install ....... ? |
| 11:05.49 | eastwood | exactly |
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| 11:06.02 | tenzing_ | lunitik, ok .. am geting azureus .. :) |
| 11:06.03 | enouf | lunitik: yeah, i remember java based azureus from windoze days |
| 11:06.19 | lunitik | !tell raf256 about aptitude restore |
| 11:06.29 | c|int | enouf: , how long you been into linux, etc |
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| 11:06.38 | lunitik | !tell raf256 about aptitude clone |
| 11:06.40 | c|int | mee, off and on.. since 2004 |
| 11:06.48 | c|int | this year, strongly though |
| 11:06.51 | lunitik | raf256: thats probably the closest to what you want |
| 11:07.01 | tenzing_ | lunitik, will it be faster to download debian cds with torrent or jigdo ? |
| 11:07.11 | c|int | tenzing_: |
| 11:07.16 | lunitik | tenzing_: depends mirror used |
| 11:07.17 | enouf | c|int: Eat Eat ..we'll talk later -- or are you finished already? hehehe |
| 11:07.22 | c|int | in good statement, your better off just getting the netinstall, |
| 11:07.35 | c|int | rigth guys? |
| 11:07.41 | c|int | even testing/unstable goes nicely :) |
| 11:08.17 | c|int | debian sure now blowing, with netinst, on testing/unstable, only because when you select for desktop , it doesn't bloat you out, with KDE , as well :) |
| 11:08.19 | tenzing_ | c|int, can i do a resume if something happens to my connection while doing a netinstall? |
| 11:08.31 | c|int | yep |
| 11:08.41 | enouf | c|int: started dabbling with knoppix about a year ago I guess (surmises c|int would rather converse than mungia) :p |
| 11:08.41 | c|int | it will, auto attempt, and recheck the connection |
| 11:08.47 | lunitik | tenzing_: no |
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| 11:09.09 | c|int | lunitik: , he can |
| 11:09.22 | tenzing_ | lunitik, c|int ... ??? |
| 11:09.24 | enouf | get's 1Mb/sec from his :-p |
| 11:09.35 | lunitik | enouf: cheater |
| 11:09.39 | c|int | I did, something just for a test, and turned off network, and rebooted, etc... and put network back on, and debian picked back up |
| 11:09.49 | c|int | enouf: |
| 11:09.56 | lunitik | enouf: 5mbit cable line |
| 11:10.02 | c|int | I had a line, of 10 mb down, but thats when I lived with my grandma, because she was helping me, |
| 11:10.28 | enouf | yep 6mbit/down |
| 11:10.32 | c|int | I'm getting into the Fiber Optics in my College, and I hacked my cable modem, when I was living at this apartment, and dad was maintenance supervisor.. cable is so easy.. heeh |
| 11:10.57 | c|int | not helping me with line, but I was helping folks out, all the time with system management, dumb windows |
| 11:11.04 | ski | enouf : back |
| 11:11.08 | lunitik | enouf: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org here... fastest I know of :( |
| 11:11.18 | tenzing_ | c|int, so there is resume feature .. right? |
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| 11:11.23 | c|int | yeah , becasue its not sftp |
| 11:11.30 | lunitik | tenzing_: during install, there is no resume |
| 11:11.34 | ski | (enouf : 'apt-cache' didn't find 'zeroconf') |
| 11:11.38 | c|int | and therefore, it doesn't requir the encryption .and cypher the datagrams, and take longer |
| 11:11.48 | lunitik | tenzing_: he doesn't even use Debian... he knows not what he says |
| 11:11.52 | enouf | lunitik: let's defer to a little later for that....onto help more for me |
| 11:11.55 | c|int | lunitik: |
| 11:11.56 | tenzing_ | lunitik, that means i have to get the cds ... |
| 11:11.59 | c|int | you want to make a bet? |
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| 11:12.09 | c|int | I got the dam Debian 3.1 Gnu bible |
| 11:12.13 | lunitik | tenzing_: your net connection goes down that much? |
| 11:12.31 | c|int | had my college librarian order it, and thats what I started on, I jus tsaid, I had problems with hardware issues, major.. |
| 11:12.33 | c|int | so meh |
| 11:12.34 | tenzing_ | lunitik, yeah ... it does some times ... |
| 11:12.37 | lunitik | tenzing_: takes me like 20 mins to download everything he uses |
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| 11:12.49 | lunitik | ski: you don't want zeroconf imo |
| 11:12.56 | c|int | lunitik: , now our gettin negative energy about yourself |
| 11:13.10 | c|int | you can stop now.. don't have to go back to high school ways :) |
| 11:13.18 | tenzing_ | ok .. its torrent for me then .... thanks for the help guys |
| 11:13.22 | lunitik | ski: and wikipedia will give you info about zeroconf in general (mDNS) ... which is provided by avahi |
| 11:13.26 | c|int | okay.. we all knwo your the debian god |
| 11:13.33 | c|int | know* |
| 11:13.34 | c|int | ;) |
| 11:13.38 | ski | lunitik : what is the problem with it ? |
| 11:13.52 | lunitik | ski: it seems to cause more issues than it fixes |
| 11:13.56 | enouf | ski: OK ...yes -- read about it there -- but I think 'apt-cache showpkg zeroconf' should show you info |
| 11:14.23 | lunitik | enouf: you're recommending zeroconf to her? :@ |
| 11:14.33 | enouf | ski: and NO you do NOT want it |
| 11:14.49 | lunitik | enouf: thank you for clearing that bit up :P |
| 11:14.55 | ski | enouf : 'W: Unable to locate package zeroconf' |
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| 11:15.10 | enouf | lunitik: I am saying that perhaps that's what's munging the networking settings -- especially with Doze on the network, or dual boot |
| 11:15.14 | ski | (lunitik : 'her' ?) |
| 11:15.24 | lunitik | ski: I knew that |
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| 11:15.44 | enouf | ski: Can you don some tights for us <just kidding> |
| 11:16.02 | enouf | lunitik: yeah -- how dare you assume |
| 11:16.16 | c|int | hey enouf, I'm just going to work with you, and owh, an Gnea, if thats cool with you, and some friends I got, and know.. :-) |
| 11:16.40 | enouf | c|int: as time permits |
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| 11:16.58 | c|int | time today? |
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| 11:17.14 | enouf | lunitik: hey -- if ski's a she then more power t skiiers :-P |
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| 11:17.22 | c|int | also was wondering, just because I might want to use.. xfs, by SGI< do I have to have the dam slow lilo boot loader |
| 11:17.42 | azeem | c|int: why do you want to use xfs? |
| 11:18.03 | Yamaraj | It's good that we don't have many female geeks, or there would have pink terminals and Teddy Bear in place of Tux. |
| 11:18.04 | azeem | oh, then take it to a /query |
| 11:18.08 | c|int | because I already tested it out, on testing/unstable, and I liked it much :-) |
| 11:18.10 | enouf | c|int: well -- let's try a bit shall we ? -- but if you're on ubuntu, I'll get flamed for answering ubuntu specific questions, plus I've never used that distro |
| 11:18.11 | lunitik | azeem: Ubuntu user... researching for 5 months time... seems to just be killing time to me |
| 11:18.13 | azeem | Yamaraj: shut up |
| 11:18.33 | c|int | I"m taling about.. hooking the debian up, we goin work on :P |
| 11:18.47 | raf256 | on my laptop with 900 (i810 like) card how can i get full 3d render support (accelerated) |
| 11:18.55 | c|int | lunitik: , I installed debian sarge 3.1 over 20 times, so blah to you |
| 11:18.59 | lunitik | azeem: you're female too? or just (wisely) taking offense? |
| 11:19.06 | c|int | enouf: , I'll just talk private to you, and read the books as well |
| 11:19.33 | azeem | I'm taking offense |
| 11:19.44 | Yamaraj | Offense? People surely don't get humor these days. :-/ |
| 11:19.56 | lunitik | People shouldn't try to be funny... when you try, it never is |
| 11:20.02 | azeem | Yamaraj: did you see somebody laugh? |
| 11:20.08 | azeem | it was just sexist |
| 11:20.17 | Yamaraj | It was not. |
| 11:20.23 | lunitik | Yamaraj: yes, yes it was |
| 11:20.30 | enouf | c|int: oh boy ... |
| 11:20.54 | lunitik | Yamaraj: unless you know males that also have pink terminals? |
| 11:21.31 | lunitik | Yamaraj: most stereotypes fit some *ist group |
| 11:22.24 | Yamaraj | Who decides what's sexist and what's not? I surely didn't meant any offense to the fairer sex, but don't expect any apology. |
| 11:24.18 | Yamaraj | Go with the flow. ;) |
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| 11:30.25 | Yamaraj | IBM has released DB2 9.1 Express-C for Linux, if anyone's interested. |
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| 11:31.59 | lunitik | Yamaraj: released.... code? |
| 11:32.19 | lunitik | probably not |
| 11:32.39 | Yamaraj | Not code. |
| 11:33.13 | Yamaraj | Express-C is free for development and deployment, sort of like Oracle XE. |
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| 11:35.15 | lunitik | Yamaraj: pretty much useless then |
| 11:36.31 | f00li5h | how does one go about getting kernel modules, i imagine they're not packaged int eh same way... |
| 11:36.39 | f00li5h | i'm looking for sata drivers |
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| 11:37.00 | zamolxes | i use m-a |
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| 11:37.10 | zamolxes | ~m-a |
| 11:37.14 | zamolxes | uh |
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| 11:38.08 | jayeola | hey chaps. i've read the lvm how to and setting up lvm on a sarge install still dont make sense.. |
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| 11:38.50 | jayeola | create some space, set that up as lvm and put a group in that? |
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| 11:40.39 | vick | Hello, i just installed debian etch, only the base, and when i try to do apt-get install irssi for example or apt-get install BitchX it doesn't find it, why is that and how to fix it ? |
| 11:41.41 | jayeola | irssi-text |
| 11:42.00 | jayeola | and did you set up your repo? |
| 11:42.23 | vick | I dont think so, it cant find anything |
| 11:42.45 | vick | i can only find a 'security' site oin /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 11:43.03 | vick | sources.list rather |
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| 11:43.53 | vick | How do i fix that ? |
| 11:44.26 | raf256 | what packs to get if I want ot hand compile own kernels? |
| 11:44.32 | jayeola | paste the results of cat /etc/apt/source.lst |
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| 11:46.14 | ArmEagle | so.. where do i add 'keymappings' to be used in bash? bind -p gives a nice list. but where does bind get its values from? |
| 11:46.30 | b_jonas | ArmEagle: I think it's in some dotfile |
| 11:46.34 | vick | deb cdrom somestuff |
| 11:46.40 | b_jonas | .inputrc |
| 11:46.53 | ArmEagle | yes.. and default is /etc/inputrc but it doesnt read that.. |
| 11:46.57 | vick | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 11:46.59 | b_jonas | and the docs for that are in info bash or maybe info readline |
| 11:47.01 | ArmEagle | echo $INPUTRC is simply empty.. |
| 11:47.09 | ArmEagle | or actually .. a newline |
| 11:47.30 | b_jonas | ArmEagle: I think it reads /etc/inputrc only if you have no ~/.inputrc |
| 11:47.32 | vick | another line like that for |
| 11:47.39 | ArmEagle | even saving bind -p, appending some lines, and reading with bind -f doesnt work |
| 11:47.49 | ArmEagle | b_jonas: check and i dont have the ~/.'s |
| 11:47.50 | b_jonas | and I don't know how $INPUTRC interacts with that |
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| 11:48.10 | ArmEagle | here on FC4 INPUTRC is set in /etc/profile, if its unset. |
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| 11:48.22 | ArmEagle | not on debian though (and adding it doesnt work either) |
| 11:48.41 | b_jonas | ArmEagle: huh? aren't you listing ~ with ls but without the -a option? |
| 11:48.45 | coywolf | how to list the content of a deb file? |
| 11:48.52 | b_jonas | you should add a -a option to see the dotfiles |
| 11:49.02 | azeem | coywolf: dpkg -c <deb file> |
| 11:49.03 | ArmEagle | oh i always use -al |
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| 11:49.13 | JulianTifflor | hell |
| 11:49.18 | JulianTifflor | i am too silly |
| 11:49.19 | b_jonas | ok. I guess you're not saying 'ls -al *' either |
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| 11:49.28 | JulianTifflor | i got a 3com EtherLink One ISA Card |
| 11:49.39 | JulianTifflor | i dunno what parameters i need to load it |
| 11:49.47 | Kevin` | I think I have one of those.. |
| 11:49.48 | ArmEagle | i made an alias for ls -al (ll).. |
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| 11:50.16 | liable | :( we lose again.. |
| 11:50.17 | ArmEagle | but anyway, no ~/.inputrc |
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| 11:50.27 | vick | Is there a way to install all .deb packages in /var/apt/cache/packages (i backed them up and copied them to this debian from another debian box, both are testing 'etch') ? |
| 11:50.38 | JulianTifflor | i tried irq=7 io=220 |
| 11:50.40 | JulianTifflor | it doesn't work |
| 11:50.46 | JulianTifflor | and there are no isapnputils |
| 11:50.48 | b_jonas | and /etc/inputrc isn't loaded? that's wierd |
| 11:50.56 | _stev_ | anyone who knows a good pcmcia card that works out of the box during a debian floppy network install? |
| 11:51.30 | jayeola | 3com? |
| 11:51.50 | JulianTifflor | 3com |
| 11:51.51 | JulianTifflor | yes |
| 11:51.55 | vick | Hello? |
| 11:52.08 | JulianTifflor | 3com 501 i guess |
| 11:52.26 | JulianTifflor | 3c501 module |
| 11:53.02 | yang | I have set up WEP encryption on my linksys wireless router, now i cannot browse to web login interface any longer...? also the router is not reachable any longer within my LAN network |
| 11:53.04 | jayeola | is there a good walk-thru for setting up sarge/etch with lvm for a clean install? |
| 11:53.13 | jayeola | looking for a URL :) |
| 11:53.23 | _stev_ | jayeola ,JulianTifflor: thanks I've bought a edimax card that didn't work out of the box for the floppy install |
| 11:53.27 | JulianTifflor | yang: what key did you enter ? |
| 11:53.52 | JulianTifflor | _stev_: i didn't tell you |
| 11:53.56 | yang | JulianTifflor: i entered passphrase, which generated 4 keys... |
| 11:54.07 | JulianTifflor | yang: you are probably lost |
| 11:54.16 | Kevin` | yang which model and version of router? |
| 11:54.29 | yang | linksys 54G i think |
| 11:54.33 | Kevin` | what version |
| 11:54.33 | JulianTifflor | oh |
| 11:54.56 | yang | i dont know which version |
| 11:54.58 | JulianTifflor | yang: why don't just get a cable and set the keys manually ? |
| 11:55.15 | Kevin` | well if it's less then V5 you can run a custom linux install on it :) |
| 11:55.30 | Kevin` | (v5 and later have very little storage and ram.. possible but silly) |
| 11:55.37 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: that doesn't solve his problem ;) |
| 11:55.42 | Kevin` | I know |
| 11:55.47 | yang | i wonder how can i convince mozzila to be able to browse on it |
| 11:55.50 | Kevin` | well, it might let him have access, actually |
| 11:55.54 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: he got any idea what ioport to use for my isa card ? |
| 11:55.57 | Kevin` | yang how are you connecting to it? |
| 11:56.01 | Kevin` | JulianTifflor nope |
| 11:56.12 | JulianTifflor | yang: remove proxy from the config |
| 11:56.28 | yang | Kevin`: i was connecting to 192.168.1.50 and administrative window came up, now after WEP key, the network is out of my LAN range |
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| 11:56.45 | Kevin` | are you connecting with a physical cable? |
| 11:56.48 | JulianTifflor | yang: what do you mean with out of lan range ? |
| 11:56.51 | yang | yes |
| 11:56.54 | JulianTifflor | yang: is it another subnet ? |
| 11:57.06 | yang | no, the router is connected to my hub |
| 11:57.09 | Kevin` | yang try to request dhcp from it |
| 11:57.19 | Kevin` | what info does it give |
| 11:57.21 | JulianTifflor | yang: yeah dhcp works |
| 11:57.28 | yang | no dhcp is disabled |
| 11:57.39 | JulianTifflor | yang: reset it ? |
| 11:57.51 | raf256 | what pack I should install to have tools for building the kernel? |
| 11:57.51 | JulianTifflor | yang: thats the easiest way to get access back.. factory defaults |
| 11:58.09 | yang | well, i can reset, but i wanted it to be with WEP encryption... |
| 11:58.28 | JulianTifflor | yang: you can set that manually then |
| 11:58.29 | jayeola | _stev_: edimax is pure suckerage. you'd probably need a wrapper for it |
| 11:58.35 | JulianTifflor | yang: choose 4 keys by hand |
| 11:58.41 | Kevin` | nmap -p 80 -P0 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 11:58.44 | Kevin` | heh :) |
| 11:58.44 | JulianTifflor | yang: thats the safest way |
| 11:59.00 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: he needs a subnet mask of 255.255.0.0 for that |
| 11:59.03 | jayeola | raf256: have a look at the README in the kernel source |
| 11:59.04 | yang | JulianTifflor: i entered password which generated the 4 keys |
| 11:59.09 | Kevin` | JulianTifflor yes, he would |
| 11:59.10 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: else he will ping the default route |
| 11:59.19 | JulianTifflor | yang: you can try to find a standrd for that |
| 11:59.29 | raf256 | jayeola: it states the names of DEBIAN packages? |
| 11:59.30 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: i guess he got a 255.255.255.0 subnetmask |
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| 12:00.00 | Kevin` | JulianTifflor the router may have chosen a different subnet if it got mesed up |
| 12:00.09 | JulianTifflor | yeah |
| 12:00.11 | Kevin` | you know what would make this very easy? a serial console |
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| 12:00.14 | JulianTifflor | so he sould use a crossovercable |
| 12:00.18 | Kevin` | doubt he has that though :) |
| 12:00.19 | JulianTifflor | and sniff the line with ethereal |
| 12:00.24 | JulianTifflor | :P |
| 12:00.36 | Kevin` | the router probably won't make any noise unless queried |
| 12:00.36 | _stev_ | jayeola: well yeah I can get it working after I've installed the os, but not for a debian network install |
| 12:00.45 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: he will make noise |
| 12:01.02 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: he can send arp broadcasts ^^ |
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| 12:01.13 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: or ping on 255.255.255.255 |
| 12:01.15 | JulianTifflor | *g* |
| 12:01.27 | JulianTifflor | most routers will answer |
| 12:01.32 | yang | JulianTifflor: if it helps I get ARP response for an ethernet address of the router on .192.168.1.50 |
| 12:01.40 | Kevin` | hm how can I specify the interface ping uses |
| 12:01.52 | JulianTifflor | whats your subnet @ yang |
| 12:01.54 | Kevin` | do you get a response to tcp 80? |
| 12:01.58 | yang | 255.255.255.0 |
| 12:01.59 | JulianTifflor | do a ifconfig <yourethinterface> |
| 12:02.08 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 12:02.29 | JulianTifflor | ifconfig eth:2 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 |
| 12:02.43 | JulianTifflor | then you should be able to access it |
| 12:02.47 | Kevin` | ifconfig eth2 192.168.1.1/24 |
| 12:02.55 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: ? |
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| 12:03.00 | Kevin` | quicker way |
| 12:03.00 | JulianTifflor | an aias |
| 12:03.01 | rapi | hello |
| 12:03.02 | JulianTifflor | alias |
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| 12:03.18 | JulianTifflor | well he will kill his internet ^^ |
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| 12:03.22 | Kevin` | why make an alias.. he probably already has an ip in that subnet |
| 12:03.31 | Kevin` | what's he using for internet? |
| 12:03.34 | rhalff | what was the command to remove all obsolete packages ? |
| 12:03.35 | JulianTifflor | then he would be able to access it |
| 12:03.41 | JulianTifflor | the lan i guess |
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| 12:03.48 | Bl4d3fire | hey |
| 12:03.54 | abrotman | hi |
| 12:03.57 | Bl4d3fire | what is the command to run an application? |
| 12:04.00 | Kevin` | JulianTifflor if he's already using the router that wouldn't help much |
| 12:04.17 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: he can't be using it |
| 12:04.19 | Kevin` | Bl4d3fire ./application |
| 12:04.20 | Kevin` | OR |
| 12:04.31 | yang | JulianTifflor: i allready have this ... inet addr:192.168.1.19 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 12:04.40 | rhalff | what is the key to do something ? :p |
| 12:04.40 | Kevin` | heh stupid / |
| 12:04.43 | JulianTifflor | yang: then you should be able to access it |
| 12:04.54 | JulianTifflor | yang: reset that fucking router |
| 12:05.01 | Kevin` | rhalff sysrq |
| 12:05.22 | yang | I can reset it, but how do i setup WEP properly? |
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| 12:05.31 | Kevin` | the router really should be responding on port 80 |
| 12:05.34 | Kevin` | something is broken |
| 12:05.43 | JulianTifflor | yang: set the keys manually |
| 12:05.59 | JulianTifflor | not using the password |
| 12:06.02 | JulianTifflor | for wep |
| 12:06.04 | yang | JulianTifflor: ok |
| 12:06.08 | JulianTifflor | password is WPA-PSK |
| 12:06.24 | JulianTifflor | wep passwords don'T follow a standard in my eyes ^^ |
| 12:06.24 | abrotman | debian? |
| 12:06.26 | Kevin` | Bl4d3fire I don't know what the program name gift uses is |
| 12:06.31 | JulianTifflor | at least you cant enter them for ifconfig |
| 12:06.35 | Kevin` | perhaps gift or giFT? |
| 12:06.44 | JulianTifflor | giFT |
| 12:06.46 | Bl4d3fire | either gift or giftd |
| 12:06.50 | yang | JulianTifflor: there is also a linux version for this router, maybe i could try that... |
| 12:06.51 | JulianTifflor | its giFT |
| 12:06.53 | JulianTifflor | or giftd |
| 12:06.53 | JulianTifflor | ^^ |
| 12:06.55 | Kevin` | wpa-psk doesn't use 'passwords' either |
| 12:06.55 | rhalff | Kevin`, I don't have that compiled in the kernel, so that's actually the only key that does nothing :p |
| 12:06.56 | Bl4d3fire | but what is the command? |
| 12:06.58 | JulianTifflor | giFTcurs |
| 12:07.07 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: it does ^^ |
| 12:07.17 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: at least you enter them everywhere as password |
| 12:07.27 | abrotman | Bl4d3fire: to run what? |
| 12:07.27 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: userperspective vs. developer perspective |
| 12:07.32 | Kevin` | it still does the same conversion thing |
| 12:07.36 | Kevin` | you can enter them as keys |
| 12:07.42 | JulianTifflor | yang: try it |
| 12:07.43 | Kevin` | and if I was using it, I would |
| 12:07.51 | Kevin` | because the conversion will probably break sometime |
| 12:08.05 | Bl4d3fire | abrotman, giFT |
| 12:08.06 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: yeah |
| 12:08.10 | Bl4d3fire | abrotman, giFT(d) |
| 12:08.12 | yang | JulianTifflor: http://wrt54g.net/ |
| 12:08.13 | JulianTifflor | enter them as keys |
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| 12:08.22 | JulianTifflor | yang: i know that project |
| 12:08.43 | raf256 | how to set my language to EN to have all messages in English? |
| 12:08.45 | Kevin` | http://openwrt.org/ :) |
| 12:08.45 | mrec_ | does anyone know how I can filter out subjects like "ILOVEYOU" in sendmail? |
| 12:09.06 | JulianTifflor | mrec_: procmail |
| 12:09.10 | JulianTifflor | mrec_: procmail.org i guess |
| 12:09.10 | abrotman | Bl4d3fire: so just type it in |
| 12:09.22 | abrotman | what does his broken router have to do with debian? |
| 12:09.34 | abrotman | mrec_: ask #sendmail |
| 12:09.35 | Kevin` | hey this is the debian channel |
| 12:09.35 | JulianTifflor | mrec_: check the manpage of procmail there is plenty of information |
| 12:09.50 | JulianTifflor | Kevin`: hrhr |
| 12:09.57 | Kevin` | abrotman you could probably run debian on it :) |
| 12:09.57 | f00li5h | abrotman: perhaps the router runs debian? |
| 12:10.09 | abrotman | f00li5h: it doesn't |
| 12:10.15 | abrotman | Kevin`: but it's not now is it? |
| 12:10.21 | Kevin` | abrotman doubtful |
| 12:10.24 | f00li5h | abrotman: well, i withdraw my comment then |
| 12:10.34 | SpeedyG | mine does |
| 12:10.53 | Kevin` | SpeedyG consumer router or computer? |
| 12:10.58 | SpeedyG | puter |
| 12:11.32 | SpeedyG | if I even had a consumer-router, it'd be bridged and forward everything to my router-pc |
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| 12:12.00 | Kevin` | they have a place.. quick boot time, stable |
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| 12:12.09 | Kevin` | no moving parts :) |
| 12:12.44 | SpeedyG | problem is that consumer routers can't handle my current connection |
| 12:12.52 | SpeedyG | (the one at home, not the one I'm using atm) |
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| 12:13.09 | Kevin` | what is it, 100mbps? |
| 12:13.24 | SpeedyG | yep |
| 12:13.41 | SpeedyG | you'd better slap me for being a student :p |
| 12:13.46 | Kevin` | ah |
| 12:13.50 | ArmEagle | hmm 'bind -f [filename]' simply doesnt work... |
| 12:13.50 | SpeedyG | I pay less than 5 euros/month on that line |
| 12:14.25 | Kevin` | my router only works at 54mbps, as it only does wifi.. should test it at a higher speed sometime |
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| 12:14.58 | SpeedyG | I had a linksys router for a short period of time.. when my line was at 10Mbps, but that one timed out every hour |
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| 12:15.08 | SpeedyG | so I replaced it with a debian box.. and all problems were solved :) |
| 12:15.34 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 12:15.38 | Kevin` | which linksys router? |
| 12:16.41 | SpeedyG | a BEFSR41 I guess |
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| 12:16.56 | Kevin` | I have one of those.. got it for free from someone |
| 12:17.00 | Kevin` | never use it |
| 12:17.07 | DustyDingo | SpeedyG: i'm going to study in two month i won't get such a connection :( |
| 12:17.08 | SpeedyG | hehe |
| 12:17.30 | SpeedyG | DustyDingo: go study in the netherlands, and take one of those student-flat rooms |
| 12:17.34 | SpeedyG | you'll get it ;) |
| 12:17.39 | DustyDingo | hehe |
| 12:18.19 | MsgToThePpl | hi, trying to send/get file list of my mobile phone via bt it establishes the link and the phone says: OBEX File Transfer | Requested By: XXXXXXXXX | Deny | Gran ---- whenever i select grant obexftp says: failed to retrive, why ? |
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| 12:18.42 | JulianTifflor | MsgToThePpl: u take too long |
| 12:18.52 | MsgToThePpl | and btw there's a way to see what the phone says to obex ? |
| 12:19.07 | abrotman | !u |
| 12:19.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:19.10 | MsgToThePpl | nope selected grant just asap it come |
| 12:19.13 | SpeedyG | Kevin`: I used that one for 3 weeks, before that I had another router.. don't even konw what brand.. and then I got sick of the connection timing out (and all the people nagging about it) |
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| 12:19.29 | SpeedyG | so I replaced it :) |
| 12:19.33 | gosc | help, I have a problem with my i810 (i915) video, debian testing kernel 2.6.16 |
| 12:20.00 | abrotman | guess he solved it |
| 12:20.07 | Kevin` | i'm suprised there was never any custom firmware for befsr41 |
| 12:20.24 | Kevin` | don't know the specs of them though |
| 12:20.26 | MsgToThePpl | JulianTifflor there's a fix ? |
| 12:20.42 | SpeedyG | hehe, about firmware.. that was the most funny part.. |
| 12:20.50 | SpeedyG | I went back to the shop complaining about my problems.. |
| 12:20.58 | SpeedyG | they asked me if I tried to upgrade the firmware |
| 12:21.03 | SpeedyG | I told them it wouldnt help |
| 12:21.09 | Kevin` | those things don't have firmware, do they? |
| 12:21.17 | SpeedyG | and they (stubborn as they are) went to seek newer firmware |
| 12:21.30 | SpeedyG | only problem was, the firmware on the router was newer than that on the site of linksys :P |
| 12:21.39 | Kevin` | oh the router you mean |
| 12:21.54 | SpeedyG | yeah |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:22.04 | Kevin` | if you disallow web access it will prevent them from doing that |
| 12:22.08 | Kevin` | (only allow ssh) |
| 12:22.15 | Kevin` | let them poke at it for a few days.. |
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| 12:27.38 | TARZEAU | any http://bub-n-bros.sf.net joiners? |
| 12:27.42 | TARZEAU | #bub-n-bros 6 slots free |
| 12:27.42 | SpeedyG | well, I just wanted my money back (could use that for a strip of 512MB DDR) |
| 12:27.45 | TARZEAU | !POPCON |
| 12:27.46 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:27.58 | Kevin` | TARZEAU slots...? |
| 12:28.04 | TARZEAU | Kevin`: up to 10 players |
| 12:28.33 | Kevin` | only one game can be played at a time? |
| 12:28.44 | TARZEAU | Kevin`: no many, but it's multiplayer |
| 12:29.21 | TARZEAU | Kevin`: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/ |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | i haven't played in months |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | but i know who'll win! |
| 12:29.28 | TARZEAU | abrotman: i'm only 3rd of 4 |
| 12:29.35 | abrotman | because you just started :) |
| 12:29.38 | TARZEAU | abrotman: i haven't played half a year (bnb) , but i started nethacking again |
| 12:29.47 | abrotman | yay |
| 12:30.06 | SpeedyG | omg bubbles! :o |
| 12:30.30 | TARZEAU | join now! it's fun |
| 12:30.55 | Kevin` | I should advertise like that heh |
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| 12:34.05 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 12:34.20 | dazjorz | I think I know what the problem is with the pcmcia card |
| 12:34.24 | lunitik | TARZEAU: whats that game similar to? |
| 12:34.31 | TARZEAU | lunitik: bubble bobble |
| 12:34.32 | dazjorz | if the network is unencrypted, it completely work |
| 12:34.34 | dazjorz | works* |
| 12:34.41 | dazjorz | but if the network is WPA encrypted, it doesn't |
| 12:34.42 | lunitik | TARZEAU: never heard of that either |
| 12:34.53 | TARZEAU | lunitik: your age? |
| 12:35.06 | abrotman | 12? |
| 12:35.11 | lunitik | dazjorz: use something like NetworkManager (I think packages are network-manager |
| 12:35.12 | lunitik | 22 |
| 12:35.13 | Kevin` | dazjorz does the driver work with wep yet? |
| 12:35.18 | lunitik | 3/20/84 |
| 12:35.22 | TARZEAU | lunitik: well you've missed all the fun |
| 12:35.26 | TARZEAU | lunitik: sex? location? |
| 12:35.46 | lunitik | TARZEAU: meh... don't make fun of me :( |
| 12:36.04 | TARZEAU | lunitik: download it already and join |
| 12:37.37 | dazjorz | Kevin`: I can't enable wep on my AP |
| 12:37.40 | lunitik | TARZEAU: package name? |
| 12:37.49 | TARZEAU | lunitik: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 12:37.55 | TARZEAU | lunitik: debian doesn't have a package |
| 12:37.56 | Kevin` | dazjorz eh? what crazy ap is that |
| 12:37.59 | lunitik | dazjorz: like I said... use network-manager |
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| 12:38.17 | dazjorz | lunitik: Yeah, trying to get it to the laptop |
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| 12:38.23 | dazjorz | e.g. disabling wpa again.... |
| 12:39.47 | abrotman | or don't use wep |
| 12:39.52 | JulianTifflor | he |
| 12:40.05 | lunitik | abrotman: insecure WAP's are fun |
| 12:40.06 | JulianTifflor | how the hell can i get linux 2.6 to be really verbose on startup |
| 12:40.14 | JulianTifflor | i need to find the ioport of a ethernet isa card |
| 12:40.21 | abrotman | lunitik: better than a non-functional one |
| 12:40.28 | lunitik | abrotman: barely |
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| 12:40.49 | lunitik | abrotman: neibors sharing your connection is bad for speed |
| 12:40.56 | lunitik | neighbors* |
| 12:40.56 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: isa nic? |
| 12:41.02 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: YUCK it's 2006 |
| 12:41.03 | zinx | JulianTifflor: is it PNP? |
| 12:41.04 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: what cpu? |
| 12:41.10 | Kevin` | lock it down at the router with QOS.. your neighbors will like you for free internet |
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| 12:41.33 | JulianTifflor | pentium 3 i guess |
| 12:41.33 | JulianTifflor | 600 mhz |
| 12:41.34 | dazjorz | lunitik: neighbours* iirc |
| 12:41.36 | JulianTifflor | @ TARZEAU |
| 12:41.38 | ravenbird | rumour has it, tarzeau is http://www.linuks.mine.nu |
| 12:41.54 | dazjorz | =/ |
| 12:41.54 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: you really want 10mbit networking? |
| 12:41.57 | JulianTifflor | zinx: etherlink I isa |
| 12:41.58 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: what nic is it, 3com ? |
| 12:41.59 | lunitik | dazjorz: thats how most of the english world spells it... I'm in America however |
| 12:42.09 | abrotman | lunitik: i disagree .. i have more bandwidth than i use |
| 12:42.10 | dazjorz | lunitik: oh, ok |
| 12:42.11 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: just load the 3c509 driver and hope it works? |
| 12:42.12 | zinx | JulianTifflor: let's assume for a moment that i don't know if that's pnp or not |
| 12:42.53 | ArmEagle | .. could someone what output 'echo $INPUTRC' gives? |
| 12:42.54 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: i tried to load it |
| 12:43.05 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: i didn't work |
| 12:43.06 | lunitik | zinx: ISA is new enough to have pnp abilities? |
| 12:43.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:43.15 | Kevin` | # echo $INPUTRC |
| 12:43.17 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: are you sure it's configure right, the firmware |
| 12:43.18 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.21 | abrotman | ISAPnP sucks though |
| 12:43.26 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: to use the right media ? |
| 12:43.27 | ArmEagle | yeah. hmm |
| 12:43.32 | zinx | lunitik: Uhm. ISA is the only thing with PnP |
| 12:43.37 | dazjorz | lunitik: going to install network-manager |
| 12:43.37 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: it's one of those with bnc connector and aui? |
| 12:43.38 | ArmEagle | now to find where debian *(testing) sets that.. |
| 12:43.45 | zinx | lunitik: everything else just uses the name because MS thought it sounded cool. |
| 12:43.45 | abrotman | zinx: pci ? |
| 12:43.47 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: i just reset ESCD/DMI in BIOS |
| 12:43.49 | dazjorz | lunitik: couldn't find package |
| 12:43.54 | zinx | abrotman: PCI uses something completely different |
| 12:43.57 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: really it sucks |
| 12:43.57 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: no |
| 12:44.01 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: it got one rj45 |
| 12:44.04 | abrotman | zinx: uhm .. ok |
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| 12:44.16 | lunitik | dazjorz: probably want either network-manager-gnome, network-manager-kde, or knetworkmanager |
| 12:44.22 | zinx | abrotman: PnP is the specific name of a specific implementation |
| 12:44.28 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: but dmesg told me it was a etherlink ISA |
| 12:44.28 | lunitik | dazjorz: not entirely sure the different between the last two though |
| 12:44.30 | abrotman | zinx: for the purposes of this experiment we'll call it PnP :) |
| 12:44.39 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: great, well try the ports out, in 0x10 steps |
| 12:44.46 | dazjorz | lunitik: ok, i'll try |
| 12:44.46 | zinx | abrotman: an implementation which PCI does not use |
| 12:44.49 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: you know at which port to start? and how to insmod it? |
| 12:44.55 | abrotman | zinx: ok .. you find what it uses .. and let me know |
| 12:45.06 | zinx | abrotman: ISA PnP devices. Duh. |
| 12:45.19 | abrotman | zinx: i meant PCI |
| 12:45.27 | zinx | abrotman: PCI uses PCI |
| 12:45.29 | dazjorz | lunitik: none of these exist |
| 12:45.31 | lunitik | although I'm not sure PCI plug and play is too smart |
| 12:45.36 | abrotman | zinx: don't make me smack you |
| 12:45.37 | lunitik | dazjorz: stable? |
| 12:45.40 | zinx | abrotman: its automatic resource stuff is part of the specs |
| 12:46.02 | Kevin` | just because windows marketing says it doesn't make it true.. |
| 12:46.36 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: no :/ |
| 12:46.36 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: i can set ports in bios |
| 12:46.36 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: but i have no clue how |
| 12:46.52 | dazjorz | lunitik: yup |
| 12:46.56 | lunitik | Kevin`: Greg Kroah-Hartman (I think is his name?) says it too |
| 12:46.57 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: you can go into a bios of the nic? |
| 12:47.12 | lunitik | dazjorz: meh... look in backports maybe? its too new for stable |
| 12:47.23 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: i can enter a width and a start address |
| 12:47.23 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: isapnptools are missing i knew howto use them but they are no longer in the netinst image |
| 12:47.26 | dazjorz | lunitik: downloading from original website now |
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| 12:48.12 | TARZEAU | abrotman: are you the green dragon? |
| 12:48.12 | zinx | JulianTifflor: 2.6.x has that built-in |
| 12:48.22 | abrotman | TARZEAU: i'm not playing .. i don't have my contacts in yet |
| 12:48.31 | zinx | JulianTifflor: /sys/bus/pnp/ |
| 12:48.36 | abrotman | i thought isapnptools had been dropped |
| 12:48.58 | Kevin` | what do you use for pnp then? |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | you grab the package from sarge and use that |
| 12:49.09 | zinx | Kevin`: /sys/bus/pnp/ ... |
| 12:49.16 | JulianTifflor | bios tells me its a 3com fast etherlink isa |
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| 12:49.30 | dazjorz | shit |
| 12:49.32 | abrotman | i thuoght those had jumpers |
| 12:49.33 | dazjorz | I just installed locales |
| 12:49.35 | zinx | JulianTifflor: then it's PnP :/ |
| 12:49.39 | dazjorz | now every time its giving me this error |
| 12:49.46 | dazjorz | perl: warning: Setting locale failed |
| 12:49.49 | abrotman | maybe that was etherlink III |
| 12:49.57 | dazjorz | please check that your locale settings: (....) are supported and installed on your system |
| 12:50.24 | lunitik | dazjorz: that usually goes away once perl is reconfigured |
| 12:50.47 | lunitik | uhh... or when locales is reconfigured? I forget |
| 12:51.04 | zinx | JulianTifflor: poke around in /sys/bus/pnp/ |
| 12:51.33 | dazjorz | errr |
| 12:51.42 | dazjorz | lunitik: I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales... |
| 12:51.47 | dazjorz | lunitik: gave me a few locales errors |
| 12:51.59 | dazjorz | lunitik: and then, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
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| 12:52.19 | lunitik | dazjorz: I get them every time I dist-upgrade to sid... by the end up the dist-upgrade they're gone... |
| 12:52.35 | JulianTifflor | 0x378 |
| 12:52.35 | JulianTifflor | i guess then |
| 12:52.38 | JulianTifflor | @ zinx |
| 12:52.38 | JulianTifflor | i will try |
| 12:52.43 | JulianTifflor | thx so far |
| 12:52.43 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, zinx is http://zinx.xmms.org/ |
| 12:52.56 | dazjorz | lunitik: look at this |
| 12:53.01 | lunitik | dazjorz: umm... thats bad |
| 12:53.09 | dazjorz | lunitik: I did apt-get install glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 locales |
| 12:53.21 | dazjorz | lunitik: 'note, selecting libc6 intead of glibc-blahblah |
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| 12:53.33 | dazjorz | lunitik: 'libc6 is already the newest version' |
| 12:53.48 | dazjorz | lunitik: and then locales: depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 12:54.25 | lunitik | dazjorz: you mixing repo's? glibc isn't what debian calls the package |
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| 12:54.42 | dazjorz | lunitik: no |
| 12:54.51 | abrotman | localegen |
| 12:54.55 | zinx | !depends locales sarge |
| 12:54.55 | dazjorz | lunitik: I was using stable for both the normal install and security.debian.org |
| 12:54.57 | dazjorz | thanks, abrotman |
| 12:55.00 | dpkg | locales: depends on glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3, debconf (>= 0.2.26) |
| 12:55.18 | dazjorz | see? |
| 12:55.38 | zinx | !depends glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 sarge |
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| 12:55.54 | dazjorz | abrotman: the command wasn't found and there's no such package |
| 12:56.01 | zinx | (dpkg!n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) Package 'glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3' does not exist. |
| 12:56.02 | abrotman | be root ? |
| 12:56.03 | zinx | heh heh |
| 12:56.16 | zinx | someone f'd up |
| 12:56.26 | dazjorz | abrotman: oh, yeah, forgot sudo |
| 12:56.43 | lunitik | hmmm.... glibc does exist... but has no description... weird... never knew it was even around |
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| 12:57.17 | zinx | probably some virtual package thing |
| 12:57.20 | dazjorz | sudo localegen |
| 12:57.26 | dazjorz | sudo: localegen: command not found |
| 12:57.32 | zinx | or it's 'provided' by libc6 |
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| 12:57.49 | zinx | !provides libc6 sarge |
| 12:57.52 | dpkg | libc6: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 12:57.56 | zinx | yep |
| 12:57.57 | abrotman | sorry .. locale-gen |
| 12:58.09 | lunitik | zinx: aptitude says its a virtual package... yes... but most at least have descriptions with depends etc... |
| 12:58.19 | dazjorz | abrotman: ok, will try |
| 12:58.23 | zinx | lunitik: it's provided by libc6.. it's not an actual package |
| 12:58.33 | zinx | lunitik: or actual virtual package, as the case may be |
| 12:58.51 | dazjorz | abrotman: locale-gen: command not foun |
| 12:58.52 | dazjorz | found |
| 12:58.55 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: i thank you very much for your help, it works now |
| 12:59.01 | the_mug | liable: u still around? |
| 12:59.16 | zinx | dazjorz: try just 'apt-get install locales' or 'apt-get install --reinstall locales' or something |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | your system is f'ed |
| 12:59.48 | dazjorz | zinx: also gives: locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
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| 12:59.58 | zinx | dazjorz: did you --force something? |
| 13:00.04 | dazjorz | zinx: not that I know of |
| 13:00.17 | dazjorz | zinx: I did install the 2.6.17.7 kernel myself, if that makes any difference |
| 13:00.18 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a |
| 13:00.19 | lunitik | dazjorz: what _have_ you done recently? |
| 13:00.24 | zinx | dazjorz: apt-cache show libc6 | grep Provides: |
| 13:00.59 | dazjorz | zinx: provides: glibc-2.3.6-2, glibc-2.3.5-3 |
| 13:01.09 | dazjorz | zinx: provides: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 13:01.20 | dazjorz | lunitik: compile and install the 2.6.17.7 kernel |
| 13:01.22 | zinx | ok, see |
| 13:01.23 | lunitik | those first two are sid |
| 13:01.28 | lunitik | umm, or etch |
| 13:01.30 | zinx | you can't mix unstable with stable |
| 13:01.38 | zinx | or testing and stable |
| 13:01.44 | zinx | because you will have problems like you are having |
| 13:01.50 | the_mug | lunitik: have u used any open source vpn clients to connect to a cisco firewall? |
| 13:01.51 | zinx | and no one can help you |
| 13:01.55 | lunitik | zinx: his provides still provide sid things |
| 13:02.04 | dazjorz | zinx: err?? |
| 13:02.05 | lunitik | the_mug: umm, no |
| 13:02.12 | dazjorz | zinx: in sources.list, there's only sarge |
| 13:02.23 | the_mug | has anyone else? |
| 13:02.37 | zinx | dazjorz: but for some reason you still have libc6 from unstable/testing. |
| 13:02.41 | abrotman | the_mug: i don't think you can |
| 13:03.00 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: great you play bub-n-bros.sf.net now? |
| 13:03.02 | dazjorz | zinx: can I apt-get install --reinstall libc6 ? |
| 13:03.26 | dazjorz | zinx: "reinstallation of libc6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" |
| 13:03.27 | zinx | dazjorz: your system may break horribly, considering you have the libc6 from unstable/testing installed most likely |
| 13:03.40 | zinx | dazjorz: you f'd it up |
| 13:03.54 | lunitik | dazjorz: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 13:04.03 | the_mug | argh... I can't seem to install this kernel module for the cisco vpn client.... i've done it before with Gentoo, Ubuntu, Deb... but I can't remember what I did on the latter to make it work |
| 13:04.23 | dazjorz | lunitik: Desired: Unknown/Install/REmove/Purge/Hold |
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| 13:04.38 | dazjorz | lunitik: Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 13:04.45 | zinx | dazjorz: skip that |
| 13:04.51 | zinx | dazjorz: the line that starts with ii is the important one |
| 13:04.55 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: what is that ? |
| 13:05.05 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: a fun multiplayer game |
| 13:05.06 | dazjorz | lunitik: Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status, Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 13:05.09 | lunitik | dazjorz: I guess I should have said "dpkg -l libc6 | grep ^ii" ... sorry |
| 13:05.22 | dazjorz | lunitik: ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:05.32 | dazjorz | lunitik: you only wanted the last line, ok |
| 13:05.40 | lunitik | Meh, thats unstable/testing ... good job |
| 13:05.52 | JulianTifflor | TARZEAU: you want to play a round ? |
| 13:05.56 | dazjorz | okay, i'd like this to be clear.... |
| 13:06.01 | dazjorz | i am NOT going to reinstall this whole system |
| 13:06.03 | dazjorz | wireless finally works |
| 13:06.21 | dazjorz | and I'm not going to do anything against that |
| 13:06.21 | lunitik | dazjorz: your system is fucked |
| 13:06.21 | TARZEAU | JulianTifflor: i'm in lvl 87 now |
| 13:06.25 | lunitik | dazjorz: only way to fix is probably dist-upgrade to etch |
| 13:06.28 | abrotman | dazjorz: you could try a dist-upgrade |
| 13:06.32 | lunitik | (without reinstalling) |
| 13:06.33 | dazjorz | Okay. |
| 13:06.36 | zinx | no |
| 13:06.48 | lunitik | zinx: how else can he fix without reinstalling? |
| 13:06.50 | zinx | if that's the only problem, then he could just install the libc6 from sarge |
| 13:07.08 | azeem | dazjorz: don't quote that, we all know those lines |
| 13:07.08 | zinx | but chances are that's not the only problem, and he's not tellin anyone :P |
| 13:07.20 | dazjorz | azeem: >_< |
| 13:07.22 | azeem | dazjorz: eh, got stuck in scrollback, ignore me |
| 13:07.34 | dazjorz | azeem: right. |
| 13:07.43 | dazjorz | dist-upgrading to etch right now |
| 13:07.48 | dazjorz | dpkg etch |
| 13:07.49 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 13:08.06 | dazjorz | going to be sarge in how many days/weeks/months? |
| 13:08.13 | lunitik | !sarge->etch |
| 13:08.14 | abrotman | sarge is always sarge |
| 13:08.21 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 13:08.22 | lunitik | dpkg sarge->etch |
| 13:08.22 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00005.html |
| 13:08.33 | abrotman | dazjorz: paste your sources somewhere |
| 13:08.43 | dazjorz | abrotman: it's just two simple lines |
| 13:08.51 | abrotman | but you have sid ... |
| 13:08.53 | Ronin | and according to debian.org maybe this december for it to move to stable |
| 13:08.54 | dazjorz | abrotman: i'm using debian.tiscali.nl and security.debian.org, etch now, main and contrib |
| 13:09.12 | abrotman | dazjorz: run a `apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade` |
| 13:09.19 | dazjorz | abrotman: busy doing that yeah |
| 13:09.26 | dazjorz | abrotman: lunitik and er... |
| 13:09.26 | lunitik | abrotman: testing and unstable currently have the same libc6 |
| 13:09.28 | abrotman | dazjorz: AND .. change your source to etch .. not testing |
| 13:09.37 | dazjorz | abrotman: And you |
| 13:09.41 | abrotman | lunitik: is that supposed to make me feel better? |
| 13:09.48 | dazjorz | abrotman: I said, it's etch, not testing >_< |
| 13:10.06 | lunitik | abrotman: clarifying... "[06:08] <abrotman> but you have sid ..." |
| 13:10.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:10.11 | dazjorz | abrotman: deb http://debian.tiscali.nl/ etch main contrib |
| 13:10.19 | abrotman | lunitik: fine .. he's still got an f'ed up machine |
| 13:10.22 | dazjorz | abrotman: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 13:13.13 | dazjorz | Ping! |
| 13:13.30 | lunitik | dazjorz: those should be fine... if you're looking for confirmation? |
| 13:13.32 | dazjorz | ping chat.freenode.net #debian |
| 13:13.34 | dazjorz | timed out |
| 13:13.42 | dazjorz | sent 3 packages, received 0 |
| 13:13.43 | JulianTifflor | how do i cahnge the hostname ? |
| 13:13.47 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 13:13.48 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 13:13.52 | JulianTifflor | echo "bla" >/etc/hostname ? |
| 13:13.52 | JulianTifflor | or is there a proper way ? |
| 13:14.27 | dazjorz | lunitik: abrotman wanted them |
| 13:14.34 | dazjorz | lunitik: anyhow, its downloading the etch packages |
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| 13:15.10 | lunitik | dazjorz: can't promise anything really... but should be a better situation once its done... |
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| 13:16.05 | dazjorz | lunitik: i just hope it doesnt downgrade my kernel |
| 13:16.17 | abrotman | oh .. i hope it does |
| 13:16.44 | lunitik | dazjorz: it might install 2.6.16 ... unlikely to overwrite your custom kernel though :/ |
| 13:16.55 | dazjorz | abrotman: my wireless won't work anymore then |
| 13:16.59 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 13:17.09 | dazjorz | lunitik: thats allright, i guess, it works from 2.6.16 |
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| 13:17.28 | Tallu | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 13:17.28 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 13:17.39 | lunitik | Tallu: bit late now :( |
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| 13:19.07 | dazjorz | the drivers are coming with the kernel from 2.6.17 so i rather have that |
| 13:20.16 | lunitik | dazjorz: I agree with abrotman really... would be better for it to be overwritten, so you reinstall... but unlikely |
| 13:20.31 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | i said reinstall ? |
| 13:20.44 | Tallu | how easy would it for me to upgrade my partition table to use lvm? |
| 13:21.00 | lunitik | abrotman: you said you hope it overwrites the kernel... unless I misunderstood? |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | i was joking :) |
| 13:21.21 | liable | dazjorz: couldnt you find a source package for that driver? without getting the entire kernel? |
| 13:21.32 | dazjorz | liable: Yeah, I do have one |
| 13:21.55 | dazjorz | liable: but it only works from kernel 2.6.16 so I had to upgrade anyway |
| 13:22.06 | dazjorz | liable: and if I need to upgrade anyway, i'll upgrade to the newest version |
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| 13:22.43 | balony | How can I just view an installed packages deps ? |
| 13:23.02 | dazjorz | !etch 2.6.17 |
| 13:23.06 | dazjorz | !etch 2.6.16 |
| 13:23.08 | dazjorz | mm |
| 13:23.41 | lunitik | dazjorz: 2.6.16 is in etch at the moment |
| 13:23.49 | lunitik | dazjorz: 2.6.17 is current sid kernel |
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| 13:25.12 | dazjorz | ah |
| 13:25.19 | dazjorz | 30s remaining for download |
| 13:25.50 | dazjorz | done |
| 13:29.33 | dazjorz | ? |
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| 13:33.55 | dazjorz | fuck |
| 13:33.59 | dazjorz | no space left on device |
| 13:34.39 | azeem | dazjorz: please calm down (at least in here) |
| 13:35.16 | dazjorz | can I delete the source of the kernel? |
| 13:35.36 | azeem | dazjorz: if you don't need it anymore, sure |
| 13:37.00 | Kevin` | might be better to try 'make clean' first |
| 13:37.25 | Kevin` | I find having the source around to be useful |
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| 13:37.41 | lunitik | dazjorz: apt-get clean usually frees a lot of space for /var |
| 13:38.08 | user_ | is there a graphical menu for grub on debian? (not background images) |
| 13:39.12 | zinx | user_: No. |
| 13:39.25 | name | user_: what for? |
| 13:40.02 | Kevin` | eye candy, what else :) |
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| 13:41.08 | dazjorz | lunitik: omg lol |
| 13:41.16 | dazjorz | lunitik: that just removed all the packages i still had to install |
| 13:41.24 | Kevin` | lol |
| 13:41.34 | Kevin` | oops :) |
| 13:41.38 | name | Kevin`: eye what? :) |
| 13:41.39 | dazjorz | doing apt-get -f install |
| 13:41.41 | name | *joke* |
| 13:41.56 | lunitik | dazjorz: meh... frees up space taken up by old packages too... |
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| 13:42.15 | name | anyone playing et here? |
| 13:42.18 | lunitik | dazjorz: I think I should have said autoclean though, sorry |
| 13:42.32 | Kevin` | name is et free? |
| 13:42.39 | name | indeed |
| 13:42.41 | name | open source |
| 13:42.45 | zinx | it's not open source |
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| 13:42.48 | name | zinx: it is |
| 13:42.51 | zinx | but it is free as in beer |
| 13:42.57 | name | zinx: ITS OS! |
| 13:43.01 | zinx | name: No, not unless they very recently released the source and didn't tell me about it. |
| 13:43.04 | name | i got the source here |
| 13:43.08 | zinx | name: you have the SDK |
| 13:43.10 | Kevin` | name url? |
| 13:43.13 | name | zinx: yep |
| 13:43.13 | zinx | name: *I* have the source. |
| 13:43.17 | name | zinx: lol |
| 13:43.23 | name | Kevin`: google.com :P |
| 13:43.28 | name | zinx: you got et then? :) |
| 13:43.29 | zinx | name: the source for the ET engine is not public |
| 13:43.45 | name | zinx: isn't that quake3 |
| 13:43.46 | name | the engine? |
| 13:43.53 | zinx | name: Q3 was released as GPL; ET was not. |
| 13:44.32 | name | zinx: well anyways you wanna try a mod i'm working on(not the main developer but modeller :) ) |
| 13:44.34 | zinx | name: trust me on this one... ET is free as in beer, it's not open source |
| 13:44.41 | name | zinx: but some of the source |
| 13:44.43 | name | zinx: is open |
| 13:44.49 | zinx | name: i've seen too many lame mods :) |
| 13:44.51 | name | zinx: that that's necessary for modding |
| 13:44.56 | name | zinx: you know TCE? |
| 13:45.02 | zinx | name: I'm an ET Pro developer |
| 13:45.07 | name | hey |
| 13:45.08 | name | cool |
| 13:45.28 | name | that mods gonna be kinda like TCE just O/S(GPL) and better :P |
| 13:45.42 | zinx | heh, you can't GPL it |
| 13:45.49 | name | im not the leader |
| 13:45.49 | Kevin` | what's the official site for this thing.. the first result on google is some site on an off-port, while that's valid, it's suspicious |
| 13:45.51 | zinx | the license for the SDK is pretty nuts |
| 13:46.08 | name | zinx: the code we wrote is GPL |
| 13:46.17 | name | the one we added |
| 13:46.22 | zinx | name: you can't GPL the SDK :P |
| 13:46.28 | name | zinx: im not |
| 13:46.35 | name | ok lets say its OS :P |
| 13:46.41 | Kevin` | one of you two should know the site |
| 13:46.42 | zinx | if your code is compiled with the SDK, it has to be GPL-compatible - it's not |
| 13:46.55 | name | zinx: it's not my code anyway |
| 13:47.05 | lunitik | zinx: Enemy Territory = Wolfenstrein mod? (thats all I can find about it, not much of a gamer) |
| 13:47.22 | zinx | Kevin`: http://games.activision.com/games/wolfenstein/ but uh, you probably want some other site |
| 13:47.33 | zinx | lunitik: no, it's a free (as in beer) game |
| 13:47.38 | zinx | lunitik: multiplayer-only |
| 13:47.53 | zinx | lunitik: it's based on the RTCW engine, but does not require RTCW in any way - it's standalone |
| 13:48.27 | Kevin` | how much does the rtcw engine cost? |
| 13:48.32 | zinx | Kevin`: splashdamage.com probably has it |
| 13:49.07 | name | hm |
| 13:49.10 | zinx | Kevin`: how much it costed nerve/splash damage/whoever? No idea. |
| 13:49.11 | name | ausgamers has it |
| 13:49.23 | name | it's fast |
| 13:49.26 | name | even to austria |
| 13:49.33 | zinx | Kevin`: however much Q3 costed :) |
| 13:49.43 | name | tho it stands in AUSTRALIA which isn't the same ;) |
| 13:50.10 | Kevin` | anyone else loathe fileplanet? |
| 13:50.16 | zinx | everyone, probably |
| 13:50.21 | bytelock | I do |
| 13:50.21 | zinx | Kevin`: bugmenot.com |
| 13:50.44 | Kevin` | ooh neat |
| 13:51.09 | eps | is any one aware of an up to date wine repo? |
| 13:51.51 | Kevin` | is ET open source? (not the engine) |
| 13:51.57 | dazjorz | lol |
| 13:52.01 | dazjorz | Konquest is fun |
| 13:52.02 | Kevin` | unless it's a modification of the engine |
| 13:52.03 | name | afaik yes :) |
| 13:52.04 | eps | no |
| 13:52.29 | eps | wolf:et is not open source |
| 13:52.45 | Kevin` | wtf is every file an exe |
| 13:52.51 | Kevin` | archives should not be exe files |
| 13:52.53 | name | hum |
| 13:52.57 | name | whats the SDK then? |
| 13:53.00 | lunitik | eps: we covered that, a devel of the game is in the channel.... |
| 13:53.02 | Kevin` | probably an sdk |
| 13:53.17 | name | lunitik: no |
| 13:53.18 | eps | Kevin` it lets windows newbs be lazy and not learn about another extension |
| 13:53.22 | name | lunitik: hes a devel of a mod! |
| 13:53.26 | name | etpro != etmain |
| 13:53.32 | ugly | though /part |
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| 13:53.41 | eps | lunitik kk, *starts following* |
| 13:54.06 | lunitik | eps: apparently I need to do that better myself |
| 13:54.22 | Kevin` | does ET need root privalages to install and play? |
| 13:54.34 | name | shouldn't |
| 13:54.36 | eps | no |
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| 13:55.38 | dazjorz | i need a good game |
| 13:55.43 | eps | tremulous :) |
| 13:55.46 | dazjorz | i guess i'm off to wow |
| 13:55.48 | Kevin` | dazjorz what kind of game |
| 13:55.54 | dazjorz | Kevin`: Probably any |
| 13:56.01 | Kevin` | dazjorz warzone 2100 |
| 13:56.02 | dazjorz | Kevin`: Although I really like hacking games... (A) |
| 13:56.03 | eps | eve online (cedega/wine w/ uber hackage) |
| 13:56.04 | name | dazjorz: et :) |
| 13:56.12 | name | uplink is good too :) |
| 13:56.18 | Kevin` | 09:07:07 (32.82 KB/s) - `404.php' saved [32247] |
| 13:56.20 | name | i wanna have star wars empire at war |
| 13:56.22 | dazjorz | name: Already finished uplink a few times ;) |
| 13:56.23 | Kevin` | ok, that's annoying |
| 13:56.27 | dazjorz | name: I have it |
| 13:56.29 | name | dazjorz: i hacked the bank |
| 13:56.33 | dazjorz | name: Me too |
| 13:56.34 | name | dazjorz: had like tons of money |
| 13:56.37 | name | dazjorz: got boring |
| 13:56.38 | name | :) |
| 13:56.43 | dazjorz | name: Yeah, me too |
| 13:57.12 | name | but star wars empire at war costs |
| 13:57.17 | eps | bah you're all newbs...haven't even hacked a gibson yet, peh |
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| 13:57.49 | Kevin` | I want a gibson |
| 13:57.56 | name | and there ain't no linux demo |
| 13:57.57 | dazjorz | name: *cough*www.isohunt.com |
| 13:58.02 | name | dazjorz: tztztzt |
| 13:58.04 | dazjorz | name: *cough*www.mininova.org |
| 13:59.05 | eps | well why don't you just use the several hundred dollars you saved on windows to buy the game? |
| 13:59.34 | Hoxzer | Is there anykind of software that would run before x does and ask which configuration I want to open |
| 13:59.44 | Hoxzer | or use |
| 13:59.49 | eps | probably |
| 13:59.55 | Kevin` | *dm? |
| 13:59.59 | Hoxzer | :D search source forge? |
| 14:00.11 | Kevin` | configuration like window manager or what? |
| 14:00.42 | Hoxzer | Kevin`: configuration for window manager like If I want to load tv-out settings or just normal settings |
| 14:00.57 | Kevin` | no, haven't seen something like that |
| 14:01.03 | Hoxzer | k |
| 14:01.12 | jelly-home | eps: (wine repo) have you tried upstream's wine debs? |
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| 14:01.37 | lunitik | Hoxzer: thats the job of [x,k,g]dm if I understand correctly? |
| 14:01.46 | Hoxzer | Tv-out settings cause terrible headache but offer tv-out at least |
| 14:01.59 | lunitik | Hoxzer: uhh... nm |
| 14:02.07 | abrotman | Hoxzer: you could probably write a wrapper |
| 14:02.07 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 14:02.22 | eps | jelly-home wine's debs are now ubuntu based and they are out dated |
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| 14:02.48 | EvilDin | hay why i can't compile this http://paste.debian.net/9870 |
| 14:03.10 | abrotman | !find openssl/rand.h sarge |
| 14:03.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'openssl/rand.h' (1): (/usr/include/openssl/rand.h) in libdevel/libssl-dev. |
| 14:03.26 | eps | compiling wine from source anyway |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | EvilDin: whatever software you're compiling .. sucks .. instal libssl-dev |
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| 14:04.33 | Kevin` | anyone aware of a package for otp-based hard drive encryption? |
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| 14:05.59 | Kevin` | package used loosely.. anything |
| 14:06.27 | EvilDin | abrotman tnx it works now |
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| 14:07.13 | remedy | j/win 14 |
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| 14:08.08 | fasta | What software can I use best to stream video over LAN? |
| 14:08.18 | Kevin` | nfs works for me |
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| 14:08.28 | Kevin` | cifs works also, but seems slow at times |
| 14:08.36 | cds | Everytime I use apt, it tries to download msttcorefonts. |
| 14:08.45 | cds | Anyone know how to stop it from doing that? |
| 14:09.22 | cydork | !tell cds about hold |
| 14:09.30 | lunitik | cds: you can't really :( ... have to install and remove now... you let it go too long |
| 14:09.39 | Kevin` | fasta vlc probably has it's own way of doing it, too |
| 14:09.52 | cds | lunitik: Yeah, but for some reason it isn't installing. |
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| 14:10.15 | liable | fasta: vlc? |
| 14:10.17 | lunitik | cds: can't connect to sites? |
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| 14:10.26 | cds | lunitik: Yeah, it's timing out. |
| 14:10.32 | fasta | liable: is vlc faster than nfs? |
| 14:10.37 | cds | cydork: That's only a temproroy thing, isn't it? |
| 14:10.45 | liable | fasta: nfc |
| 14:10.52 | Kevin` | nfs works fine for me on wifi for dvd images.. don't see what you'd need faster :) |
| 14:11.01 | fasta | Kevin`: It does? Impressive |
| 14:11.02 | lunitik | cydork: I'm not sure, but I don't think that would fix it? usually that happens when its mid install... could be wrong though? |
| 14:11.04 | cydork | cds: nope |
| 14:11.18 | fasta | Kevin`: do you happen to know an HOWTO for NFS? |
| 14:11.19 | liable | fasta: its made for steaming, depends on your lan setup. visit the vlc home page |
| 14:11.26 | cydork | lunitik: he wanted to know how can he stop it from doing that. |
| 14:11.31 | cydork | lunitik: :P |
| 14:11.34 | Kevin` | fasta not without searching for one |
| 14:11.40 | fasta | Kevin`: ok, thank you |
| 14:11.43 | Led_Zeppelin | I have the following partitions, http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19474. I can't seem to mount /dev/hdf2 |
| 14:11.46 | Led_Zeppelin | can someone help? |
| 14:11.49 | lunitik | cydork: that would do that? never occured to me to even try that... |
| 14:12.04 | Kevin` | if you want to stream over a slowish network, vlc might not be a bad idea |
| 14:12.21 | EvilDin | am i forget what is command to check cpu usage |
| 14:12.32 | Kevin` | I think it supports dynamic reencoding or some such |
| 14:12.38 | cds | I don't understand how that would help. |
| 14:13.12 | lunitik | cydork: right now... the current version isn't installed completely... so I'm not sure how holding would rectify the situation? |
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| 14:13.53 | lunitik | cydork: holding just lets you keep the version installed... |
| 14:14.31 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to mount /dev/hdf2 on my local disk. But I keep getting this error, mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 14:14.54 | Kevin` | Led_Zeppelin do you know what filesystem it is? |
| 14:14.57 | lunitik | Led_Zeppelin: umm.... what type of partition is it? |
| 14:14.57 | Kevin` | because the kernel doesn't |
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| 14:15.08 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik: Linux partition |
| 14:15.11 | lunitik | Kevin`: haha |
| 14:15.12 | Led_Zeppelin | Kevin`: not sure, how do I find out? |
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| 14:15.25 | lunitik | Led_Zeppelin: fdisk -l probably knows? |
| 14:15.33 | Kevin` | could try file -s /dev/hdf2 |
| 14:15.40 | Kevin` | cfdisk has some detection |
| 14:15.45 | Kevin` | fdisk will just show "linux" probably |
| 14:15.50 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik: /dev/hdh2: data |
| 14:15.55 | lunitik | Eh... nm, that just says "Linux" :/ |
| 14:15.59 | b_jonas | I agree, try file -</dev/foo |
| 14:16.07 | Led_Zeppelin | /dev/hdh2 4112 9733 45158715 83 Linux |
| 14:16.13 | Led_Zeppelin | its a Linux type partition |
| 14:16.22 | lunitik | Led_Zeppelin: what distro is installed on it? |
| 14:16.31 | Kevin` | where did it come from |
| 14:16.37 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik: no clue, its probally just a bare ext2/ext3 fs |
| 14:16.48 | Kevin` | file should detect ext2/3 |
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| 14:17.41 | Kevin` | well it's entirely possible he doesn't have the needed filesystem driver |
| 14:17.49 | cydork | Led_Zeppelin, yep Kevin` is right if it's ext2/3 it should recognize it. |
| 14:18.05 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik: sorry, its /dev/hdh2 |
| 14:18.26 | Kevin` | you have 8 ide disks? |
| 14:18.35 | Led_Zeppelin | cat /proc/filesystems, shows ext3, jfs, ext2, etc..etc... |
| 14:18.44 | Led_Zeppelin | Kevin`: Yes |
| 14:18.44 | lunitik | Led_Zeppelin: if its a Linux partition, and you're currently using Linux, mount shouldn't need you to define -t |
| 14:18.53 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik: true |
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| 14:19.07 | Kevin` | Led_Zeppelin where did you get the hard drive from? |
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| 14:19.20 | Led_Zeppelin | Kevin`: its my old hdisk, I think I had my mp3s on this partition. |
| 14:19.27 | Kevin` | Huh |
| 14:19.34 | Kevin` | you'd think it would be something simple |
| 14:19.49 | Led_Zeppelin | Kevin`: :-) |
| 14:20.57 | Led_Zeppelin | http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19474 |
| 14:21.02 | Led_Zeppelin | I have the partition table there |
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| 14:22.10 | lunitik | Led_Zeppelin: imo... try -t ext2 and see if it complains more |
| 14:22.51 | Kevin` | hmm ethereal segfaulted |
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| 14:23.07 | lunitik | (lowest common denominator for ext file systems... you'd probably remember if you made it XFS/JFS |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | fdisk -l |
| 14:23.17 | lunitik | or Reiser |
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| 14:23.26 | lunitik | abrotman: just says Linux |
| 14:23.31 | lunitik | abrotman: see his link |
| 14:23.39 | abrotman | it's type83 |
| 14:23.56 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: yep, type 83 'Linux type' |
| 14:24.07 | Hoxzer | Why can't I just kill a man |
| 14:24.18 | dvs | Hoxzer: it's illegal? |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | you're not living in lebanon ? |
| 14:24.30 | Hoxzer | dvs: good point :/ |
| 14:24.41 | abrotman | 83 Linux native partition |
| 14:24.42 | lunitik | Hoxzer: RATM? |
| 14:24.48 | Hoxzer | what is that? |
| 14:24.48 | fantomas | How to make alsa to serve several apps? |
| 14:24.52 | lunitik | abrotman: yes... hence confusion |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: what device is this ? |
| 14:25.01 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: IDE hdisk |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | -t auto ? |
| 14:25.09 | lunitik | Hoxzer: Rage Against The Machine ... they have those lyrics in a song |
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| 14:25.12 | Kevin` | auto is the default |
| 14:25.19 | Hoxzer | k |
| 14:25.22 | abrotman | maybe it wasn't formatted? |
| 14:25.26 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: hdh: SAMSUNG SP0802N, ATA DISK drive |
| 14:25.35 | Kevin` | well he says he has data on it |
| 14:25.51 | lunitik | Kevin`: he said he thinks... which isn't exactly definitive ;) |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | doesn't mean it's formatted |
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| 14:26.06 | Led_Zeppelin | lunitik: true :-) |
| 14:26.12 | Kevin` | heh, tar tfv /dev/hdh2 ;) |
| 14:26.24 | Led_Zeppelin | you think its just a lost cause? |
| 14:26.39 | Kevin` | well there has to be a reason it's not working |
| 14:26.44 | Led_Zeppelin | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdh2 |
| 14:27.04 | Led_Zeppelin | thats when I do, mount -t ext2 /dev/hdh2 /mnt |
| 14:27.09 | lunitik | abrotman: not being formatted would result in mount complaining about having to define type? |
| 14:27.14 | Kevin` | sure you didn't just put the stuff on hdh5? |
| 14:27.27 | Led_Zeppelin | Kevin`: LOL, no, thats my Windows stuff in there |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | c'est possible |
| 14:27.48 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm, probally no filesystem in there |
| 14:27.55 | Led_Zeppelin | oh well, I can just rub it all out |
| 14:28.13 | Kevin` | what filesystem did you use before |
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| 14:28.21 | Led_Zeppelin | Kevin`: ext2/ext3 |
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| 14:28.42 | Kevin` | didn't use something like lvm or raid? |
| 14:28.42 | Fale | hello |
| 14:28.48 | Kevin` | although that would be obvious I think |
| 14:28.56 | ma3x | can I possibly install debian from USB CD-rom? |
| 14:29.03 | Kevin` | yes, i've done it |
| 14:29.15 | lunitik | Fale: hey |
| 14:29.22 | ma3x | Kevin`, but I've setup to boot from CD, and it doesn't read the USB CD on boot |
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| 14:29.26 | Fale | why Mysql use 119 Mb of RAM? It is processes only, he isn't use |
| 14:29.31 | Kevin` | ma3x does linux boot? |
| 14:29.34 | abrotman | mysql sucks? |
| 14:29.47 | Fale | yes |
| 14:29.53 | Kevin` | Fale you should try oracle.. it uses 1gb ram |
| 14:29.59 | abrotman | if you're not using mysql .. uninstall it |
| 14:30.08 | Fale | ...I have 512 MB in the server |
| 14:30.09 | Led_Zeppelin | mysql does suck, imo |
| 14:30.14 | abrotman | Kevin`: that's only if you don't load a DB :) |
| 14:30.18 | nox-Hand | How do I add my regular user to sudo? |
| 14:30.21 | ma3x | Kevin`, I don't have linux yet, I want to install it |
| 14:30.22 | Fale | I use, but first I want configure it ok |
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| 14:30.28 | asg | nox-Hand: visudo, man sudoers |
| 14:30.28 | lunitik | ma3x: get rid of everything but the CD from the boot order and try again? (some OS's ignore what the BIOS says) |
| 14:30.31 | Kevin` | ma3x does the linux kernel boot |
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| 14:30.47 | Kevin` | lunitik the bios needs to boot the cd |
| 14:31.00 | lunitik | Kevin`: yes... like I said... everything but the CD |
| 14:31.08 | ma3x | Kevin`, I think the bios doesn't detect the USB CDrom |
| 14:31.27 | lunitik | Kevin`: Fedora, and XP have been guilty here of somehow ignoring the BIOS |
| 14:31.29 | Kevin` | ma3x well do what lunitik suggests.. remove everything but the cd from the list |
| 14:31.42 | Kevin` | and usb/? if it's listed |
| 14:31.55 | Kevin` | lunitik not possible |
| 14:32.20 | lunitik | Kevin`: not possible? it happened.... taking out everything but allowed me to boot the install CD |
| 14:32.32 | Kevin` | well then you had the order wrong to begin with :) |
| 14:32.42 | Fale | Is there a mode to put some processes in Swap space, in place of RAM? |
| 14:32.42 | lunitik | Kevin`: I'm not a moron |
| 14:32.46 | Kevin` | the operating system can't ignore stuff when it's not loaded yet.. |
| 14:33.10 | Led_Zeppelin | Fale: don't think so, swap is used when physical memeory is going low |
| 14:33.19 | lunitik | Kevin`: you explain it then... here CDROM is always first... |
| 14:33.29 | nox-Hand | np, fixed |
| 14:33.33 | asg | Fale: If you don't use those processes, they will be swapped out. |
| 14:33.36 | Kevin` | lunitik the bios must be doing something incorrectly |
| 14:33.38 | asg | Fale: also, /msg dpkg free memory |
| 14:34.35 | Fale | thank you |
| 14:34.42 | lunitik | Kevin`: perhaps, which most distro's installed, I never see it though... I saw it once with Fedora, and a few times with XP |
| 14:34.43 | ma3x | asg, I have external usb cdrom, do you know how it's possible to install debian from it? |
| 14:34.51 | lunitik | s/which/with/ |
| 14:34.59 | Kevin` | ma3x it's possible if you can get it to boot |
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| 14:35.01 | Kevin` | here, try this.. |
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| 14:35.14 | ma3x | lunitik, Kevin` you don't see the problem guys! I don't want to boot debian, I want to boot from the mini install CD and install debian! |
| 14:35.26 | Kevin` | I see the problem |
| 14:35.31 | lunitik | Kevin`: seems strange that it would only be with certain OS's etc |
| 14:35.36 | Kevin` | http://btmgr.webframe.org/ - this has a cd boot emulator |
| 14:35.38 | asg | ma3x: if the bios boots from it, then the Debian CD should work. |
| 14:35.41 | Kevin` | might work for you |
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| 14:36.02 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:36.03 | Kevin` | (assuming you can get IT to boot) |
| 14:36.07 | ma3x | asg how do I find out which setting should I change in the bios? what options is this called in the bios? |
| 14:36.18 | dhuv | I am wondering if I can get some help with proftpd authentication? |
| 14:36.24 | Kevin` | ma3x it's possible that your bios can't boot from a usb cdrom |
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| 14:36.27 | Fale | dpkg free memory, doesn't exist....why? |
| 14:36.51 | asg | ma3x: boot order. If the bios doesn't recognize the USB CDrom, then you'll need to use a custom floppy (check the install manual for clues) |
| 14:36.54 | ma3x | Kevin`, that's the thing, yes. |
| 14:36.54 | lunitik | Fale: no one has written the code yet? |
| 14:36.55 | dhuv | I am using TSL and MYSQL auth, but am getting a 530 Login incorrect message |
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| 14:37.05 | ma3x | asg ok thanks |
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| 14:37.33 | dhuv | I setup the sqllogfile and I am getting 'Plaintext' auth handler reports success |
| 14:37.41 | dhuv | but still get the 530 |
| 14:37.43 | asg | Fale: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:37.50 | dhuv | can anyone suggest something |
| 14:38.51 | asg | lunitik: there is, as well as a plethora of freely available documentation |
| 14:39.09 | lunitik | asg: go figure :P |
| 14:39.31 | lunitik | SQL discussions give me a headache :( |
| 14:39.39 | asg | well, I don't think there's a #crakwhorez but there might be |
| 14:40.10 | lunitik | asg: there's probably one on EFnet... |
| 14:40.12 | asg | lunitik: update lunitik.meds set asprin='1'; |
| 14:40.28 | lunitik | asg: :P |
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| 14:41.32 | Neoack | salut |
| 14:41.46 | asg | !fr |
| 14:41.47 | Neoack | heu kelkun peut m'aider svp ?? |
| 14:41.47 | dpkg | from memory, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debianfr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr (irc.debian.org) |
| 14:41.58 | Neoack | oki |
| 14:42.00 | Neoack | merci |
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| 14:42.04 | ma3x | can I make my modem motorola SB5100E work under debian? |
| 14:42.14 | ma3x | I got the usb drivers, but how should I use them in debian? |
| 14:42.16 | ma3x | I hate ndiswrapepr |
| 14:42.46 | Kevin` | modem? |
| 14:42.48 | Kevin` | what kind of modem |
| 14:42.49 | ma3x | yes |
| 14:42.51 | ma3x | cable modem |
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| 14:43.02 | Kevin` | it has no ethernet connection? |
| 14:43.23 | ma3x | as a matter or fact it has |
| 14:43.34 | ma3x | but I think my ethernet card is malfunctioning |
| 14:43.35 | Kevin` | that would save you poking with drivers |
| 14:43.43 | ma3x | it's pausing every 5 secs in windows |
| 14:43.44 | nox-Hand | Could someone help me switching ALSA from playing from my motherboard audio device to my PCI card? I don't know how. |
| 14:43.50 | Kevin` | I take it the standard usb ethernet driver doesn't work? |
| 14:43.55 | lunitik | ma3x: you can get NIC's for like $10 |
| 14:44.11 | ma3x | lunitik, that's a lot for the place where I come frmo |
| 14:44.36 | lunitik | nox-Hand: you want to just switch... or don't plan on using onboard at all? |
| 14:44.43 | ma3x | hey okay, let's clear this first: how do I install debian: I have only one USB CDROM drive |
| 14:44.57 | Kevin` | ma3x get a linux kernel to boot |
| 14:44.57 | ma3x | and the bios won't probably boot from it |
| 14:44.59 | Kevin` | step one |
| 14:45.07 | ma3x | Kevin`, on a floppy? |
| 14:45.13 | Kevin` | that would work |
| 14:45.17 | ma3x | where from? |
| 14:45.20 | ma3x | and then what? |
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| 14:45.34 | Kevin` | if you make it right, you can just continue the install then |
| 14:45.42 | Kevin` | use the kernel and initrd from the cd |
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| 14:45.46 | Kevin` | there's probably a howto on this |
| 14:45.50 | Kevin` | or a disk image |
| 14:45.58 | lunitik | nox-Hand: if you don't intend to use the onboard at all ... either get rid of it in the BIOS... or blacklist it "echo blacklist module >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 14:46.01 | lunitik | " |
| 14:46.18 | cydork | nox-Hand: alsaconf can do that. |
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| 14:46.24 | nox-Hand | lunitik: Hmn, maybe |
| 14:46.29 | nox-Hand | cydork: I shall take a look =) |
| 14:46.53 | fantomas | I'm trying to install ALSA 1.0.11 from backports and apt-get wants to remove udev. What does this mean? |
| 14:46.57 | nox-Hand | I don't have any alsaconf, cydork |
| 14:47.09 | lunitik | fantomas: you don't want to install it? |
| 14:47.16 | nox-Hand | fantomas: That you should back away, and not delete udev |
| 14:47.21 | lunitik | nox-Hand: do what I said... swear it works |
| 14:47.27 | cydork | nox-Hand: apt-get install alsaconf |
| 14:47.30 | lunitik | fantomas: you're using a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 14:47.36 | fantomas | lunitik: I don't want to remove udev |
| 14:47.37 | lunitik | fantomas: then you already have alsa |
| 14:47.41 | fantomas | lunitik: sure |
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| 14:48.22 | nox-Hand | cydork: Not available on etch? E: Couldn't find package alsaconf |
| 14:48.27 | cydork | nox-Hand: apt-get install alsa-utils :P |
| 14:48.31 | lunitik | !info linux-sound-base etch |
| 14:48.37 | dpkg | linux-sound-base: (base package for ALSA and OSS sound systems), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.11-4 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 14:48.40 | lunitik | nox-Hand: do what I said |
| 14:48.43 | nox-Hand | lunitik: Then I need to find out what it's called in module first o-o |
| 14:48.44 | fantomas | lunitik: I simply want to upgrade to new version of alsa since after 1.0.9 it has dmix enabled. |
| 14:49.02 | lunitik | nox-Hand: lspci | grep audio |
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| 14:49.39 | lunitik | fantomas: 2.6.16 has 1.0.11 afaik |
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| 14:49.44 | nox-Hand | 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0), lunitik |
| 14:49.50 | fantomas | lunitik: lemme see |
| 14:50.01 | lunitik | nox-Hand: that one is snd-intel8x0 |
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| 14:50.19 | lunitik | (I believe) |
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| 14:50.33 | lunitik | nox-Hand: you don't have a sound card? |
| 14:50.38 | nox-Hand | Wow...that was quick..echo blacklist snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 14:50.50 | nox-Hand | lunitik: What? I have a Sound Blaster Live! card. I just didn't paste it |
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| 14:50.55 | poh | msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 14:51.18 | lunitik | nox-Hand: ahhh... ok... hold on a sec (was supprised to only see two) |
| 14:51.25 | lunitik | one* |
| 14:51.36 | nox-Hand | Okay =) |
| 14:53.15 | ma3x | Kevin`, after I boot from the kernel floppy, will it load the usb drivers for the external USB cdrom drive? |
| 14:53.33 | Kevin` | well, debian installed for me from a usb cdrom, so I assume so |
| 14:53.46 | ma3x | and where do I get this kernel image? |
| 14:53.57 | Kevin` | it would be on the cd |
| 14:53.57 | lunitik | nox-Hand: `lsmod | grep snd` | grep intel return anything? |
| 14:54.06 | Kevin` | you also need the rootdisk image |
| 14:54.19 | Kevin` | (also on the cd) |
| 14:54.44 | ma3x | Kevin`, on what cd? mini-install? |
| 14:54.55 | Kevin` | the boot cd, yes |
| 14:55.26 | ma3x | Kevin`, so what exactly do I need to copy to the floppy? |
| 14:55.31 | lunitik | nox-Hand: ping |
| 14:55.34 | nox-Hand | snd_intel8x0, lunitik, a lot like those and other things |
| 14:55.39 | ma3x | and just by copying it, will it become autobootable floppy or I need to do something else? |
| 14:55.57 | lunitik | nox-Hand: ok, I was right... although apparently that command didn't do as expected |
| 14:56.03 | asg | ma3x: use dd(1) or RAWWRITE.EXE (on Windows) |
| 14:56.03 | Kevin` | ma3x a bootloader, a kernel image, and a root filesystem imge |
| 14:56.05 | nox-Hand | (( lunitik, it's just lsmod | grep snd | grep intel, not with the ''s, as that craps it :) )) |
| 14:56.22 | Kevin` | hmm there's a disk image available? use that instead |
| 14:56.25 | lunitik | nox-Hand: so yeah, echo blacklist snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 14:56.30 | Kevin` | less work |
| 14:56.31 | nox-Hand | Cheers |
| 14:56.45 | ma3x | asg, how exactly? what is this for? |
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| 14:57.00 | lunitik | nox-Hand: heh... I wanted it to do the first grep first... I knew it was easier :( |
| 14:57.01 | nox-Hand | lunitik: restart PC or something now? |
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| 14:57.15 | nox-Hand | lunitik: Ah, right |
| 14:57.24 | lunitik | nox-Hand: yeah... only way I know how to do it... |
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| 14:57.45 | nox-Hand | Righto, will do that when my script is done getting E17 |
| 14:57.50 | nox-Hand | Thanks a lot, lunitik |
| 14:58.00 | lunitik | most AC'97 sound cards seem to be snd-intel8x0 |
| 14:58.07 | lunitik | I haven't ran into one that isn't so far |
| 14:58.23 | asg | ma3x: you can't just copy the images to a floppy, you have to do a bit for bit copy (by using dd(1) in Unix or rawrite in Windows) |
| 14:58.25 | Tallu | Just doing a clean install of debian, decided to start using LVM :) |
| 14:58.33 | grendal_prime | im still beating myselfe up with this server, do i need to remove all the drives in a mahine with an array, first install the os and then put the drives back in the array? |
| 14:58.43 | Kevin` | asg where are the images? |
| 14:58.50 | lunitik | nox-Hand: you're welcome |
| 14:58.59 | grendal_prime | i cant get the damn machine to boot from the floppy |
| 14:59.01 | asg | Kevin`: on the installer CD. You can also download them from www.debian.org |
| 14:59.07 | grendal_prime | or...well the cd actually |
| 14:59.10 | Kevin` | where on the installer cd? |
| 14:59.16 | ma3x | asg, I can't find rawwrite.exe in winxp, is it hidden? |
| 14:59.23 | asg | ma3x: no, it is also on the install cd |
| 14:59.23 | Tallu | You guys think 10gb is enough for / when it'll have squid and a desktop gui mostly |
| 14:59.25 | Kevin` | ma3x it's not built in |
| 14:59.38 | asg | ma3x: if you have a minimal or netinstall iso though, they might not be there. |
| 14:59.51 | Kevin` | oh, no wonder |
| 15:00.15 | Kevin` | never used anything but a netinstall cd |
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| 15:01.05 | ma3x | asg, so how should I really create a boot floppy? |
| 15:01.05 | raf256 | hmm |
| 15:01.18 | raf256 | debian testing do not support i915 vidoe card yet? |
| 15:01.28 | ma3x | this is what i have on my netinstall cd: autorun.bat debian doc isolinux pics README.html README.mirrors.txt tools |
| 15:01.28 | ma3x | autorun.inf dists install md5sum.txt pool README.mirrors.html README.txt |
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| 15:01.53 | vuud | Does anyone know when the debian-testing iso's or torrents will be available again? |
| 15:02.06 | asg | ma3x: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 15:02.10 | lunitik | vuud: when they fix the issues they're having? |
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| 15:02.39 | nox-Hand | Oh noes! My E17-install from CVS script just gave me this error: Running aclocal... |
| 15:02.39 | nox-Hand | ./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found |
| 15:02.45 | nox-Hand | What does that mean? :( |
| 15:02.51 | vuud | lunitik: thanks. You must be a riot at parties |
| 15:03.11 | asg | nox-Hand: apt-get install build-essential libtool autoconf |
| 15:03.15 | lunitik | vuud: ask a stupid question.......... |
| 15:03.24 | asg | lunitik: get lambasted for telling the truth |
| 15:03.35 | nox-Hand | asg: Ah, I don't have build-essential? ^^ Cheers |
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| 15:03.39 | ma3x | if I boot from the floppy image, can I use the network services? |
| 15:03.48 | vuud | lunitik: why is that a stupid question? Maybe someone in here knows what the problem is. |
| 15:03.48 | ma3x | like ifconfig ... |
| 15:03.51 | asg | nox-Hand: it's a meta-package that install things like gcc, libc6-dev, etc. |
| 15:04.09 | lunitik | vuud: you can always estimate your downtime with issues? |
| 15:04.47 | ma3x | asg, will I be able to use ifconfig after the boot from image |
| 15:04.49 | vuud | lunitik: sure lots of times. If a drive goes down, I know about how long it will take to rebuild. If I have to swap out a server and restore from backup, sure. Sometimes no, but alot of the time sure |
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| 15:05.03 | asg | ma3x: please read the installation manual, all of these questions and more will be answered. |
| 15:05.22 | Kevin` | ma3x personally, i'd try it and see |
| 15:05.53 | ma3x | Kevin`, you said bootloader, a kernel image, and a root filesystem imge |
| 15:05.57 | ma3x | is that initrd.img? |
| 15:06.10 | Kevin` | ma3x use the floppy images provided, it will be less work |
| 15:06.25 | ma3x | I mean just tell me, will I be able to fit all on one floppy? |
| 15:06.43 | Kevin` | how big are they |
| 15:06.43 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 15:06.44 | dpkg | i guess usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 15:06.50 | Kevin` | not that it matters.. use the provided images |
| 15:07.13 | Kevin` | http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 15:07.15 | Kevin` | ? |
| 15:07.32 | Kevin` | looks like they have it on seperate disks |
| 15:07.38 | Kevin` | (kernel and root) |
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| 15:09.33 | nox-Hand | asg: Indeed, I remember getting it for Ubuntu, however: Running aclocal... |
| 15:09.33 | nox-Hand | ./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found - it's still not working.. |
| 15:11.08 | asg | nox-Hand: do you have automake installed also? |
| 15:11.44 | ma3x | which disk should I insert first and will it automatically require the next diskettes? |
| 15:11.56 | Kevin` | boot |
| 15:11.59 | Kevin` | yes probably |
| 15:12.05 | nox-Hand | asg: probably not, this is a fresh Debian install etch |
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| 15:12.22 | nox-Hand | nope, asg, installing now |
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| 15:13.14 | abrotman | ma3x: have you read the install manual ? |
| 15:13.25 | ma3x | abrotman, where is it |
| 15:13.29 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:13.29 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 15:13.46 | ma3x | if I have access to the internet via ethernet, can I boot somehow like that? |
| 15:13.52 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 15:14.01 | abrotman | ma3x: that's probably in the install guide |
| 15:14.03 | Kevin` | you can boot from a tftp server, if your computer supports it |
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| 15:14.36 | psycose | Hi guys, do you know why the content of a file open with vim does not display on a ssh session (from xterm & gnome terminal ) ? thanks |
| 15:14.40 | Kevin` | (bieng a lan thing.. you also need access to your dhcp server config to do that) |
| 15:15.15 | nox-Hand | asg: Okay, this confuses me: checking for X... no <br> configure: error: no X support found. <br> Use --x-includes and --x-libraries to specify the X path on your system, or --without-x to disable X support. |
| 15:15.20 | SpeedyG | would it cause major problems if you shut down during the 'unmounting local filesystems' process (I mean like.. push the powerbutton while it's unmounting) |
| 15:15.21 | nox-Hand | I am in GNOME.. |
| 15:15.30 | asg | nox-Hand: you don't have the xlibs-dev package |
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| 15:15.50 | ma3x | thanks |
| 15:15.52 | Kevin` | SpeedyG it's possible, but unlikelt |
| 15:16.00 | Kevin` | be sure to run fsck afterwards |
| 15:16.07 | nox-Hand | asg: You know a lot :) |
| 15:16.12 | abrotman | SpeedyG: it sure could .. it's sync'ing the filesystems .. and then you shut it off .. good job |
| 15:16.31 | asg | nox-Hand: basically, if you are compiling something and it complains you don't have foo, look for and install libfoo-dev |
| 15:16.36 | SpeedyG | yeah well, I didnt have time to wait.. I had to catch a train |
| 15:16.42 | nox-Hand | asg: Package xlibs-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package xlibs-dev has no installation candidate |
| 15:16.52 | nox-Hand | I am beginning to be a pain, yes? |
| 15:16.54 | Kevin` | SpeedyG run fsck |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | SpeedyG: that's the price you pay for being impatient |
| 15:16.58 | asg | nox-Hand: yeah, they changed the name of it when xorg went modular |
| 15:17.12 | lunitik | nox-Hand: if you install auto-apt , it does what asg just said for you ;) |
| 15:17.23 | SpeedyG | abrotman: it took longer than expected to shut down |
| 15:17.29 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:17.38 | nox-Hand | lunitik: auto-apt....it just knows about name changes, or? |
| 15:18.04 | lunitik | nox-Hand: it has logical that lets it know what you need and installs it for you (if you have correct rights) |
| 15:18.08 | SpeedyG | but well, i'll see if fsck helps :) |
| 15:18.12 | lunitik | logic* |
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| 15:18.37 | nox-Hand | lunitik: So, I write auto-apt xlibs-dev? |
| 15:18.42 | Kevin` | SpeedyG fsck must be run with the filesystem unmounted or mounted read only |
| 15:18.50 | asg | nox-Hand: I think it's xorg-dev now |
| 15:18.56 | grendal_prime | abrotman, any advice for a 4proc machine with a 6 disk array? For some reason i cant get it to boot from the cdrom |
| 15:19.00 | SpeedyG | yeah I know :) |
| 15:19.10 | lunitik | nox-Hand: no... in this case... you compile, and it figures out it doesn't have xlibs-dev and installs it |
| 15:19.22 | Kevin` | grendal_prime give it to me.. I need a comp like that |
| 15:19.27 | Kevin` | and check the bios setup |
| 15:19.38 | nox-Hand | asg: Yikes, pulling in over fifty packages (( only 50 mb though )) |
| 15:19.41 | lunitik | nox-Hand: it wouldn't be very automatic if it required manual intervention |
| 15:19.41 | nox-Hand | Well, here we go |
| 15:19.43 | abrotman | grendal_prime: use floppies ? |
| 15:19.57 | asg | nox-Hand: that's the 'modular' part :) |
| 15:20.05 | abrotman | grendal_prime: which controller? |
| 15:20.25 | grendal_prime | kevin...ya did the bios bit thanks for the heads up, it simply does not look to the cd before it starts in on the array |
| 15:20.30 | grendal_prime | abrotman, mylex |
| 15:20.34 | nox-Hand | lunitik: I used apt :P |
| 15:20.52 | abrotman | grendal_prime: those are old |
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| 15:21.00 | grendal_prime | mylex 960nt |
| 15:21.14 | abrotman | grendal_prime: SCSI right ? |
| 15:21.20 | grendal_prime | ya its 2002 on the mylex bios..ya scsi |
| 15:21.31 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you tried linux and linux26 with sarge? |
| 15:21.40 | grendal_prime | so basically a flopy installed.. |
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| 15:21.53 | grendal_prime | umm linux26? |
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| 15:22.10 | grendal_prime | i have a sarge netinstall cd i use it for everything sofar... |
| 15:22.42 | grendal_prime | now it will do a floppy seek, or it apears to be doing one anyway. |
| 15:22.46 | lunitik | grendal_prime: didn't think to look at the boot options for the installer? |
| 15:23.25 | grendal_prime | lunitik, the machine boots straight up and goes to the array, then boots the old NT4 installation on it. |
| 15:23.26 | slew | all of a sudden synaptic gives me an error. i'll paste it in #flood if someone wouldnt mind taking a look at it? |
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| 15:23.58 | lunitik | slew: paste it to channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:24.19 | grendal_prime | bios is set to boot from cdrom first, and ya the cdrom does work. but the boot process never touches it. |
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| 15:25.13 | slew | lunitik, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3286 |
| 15:25.34 | grendal_prime | i guess ill try the floppy route, anyway, abrotman you say look into linux26 ? is the a mulitiproc installer or something? |
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| 15:25.44 | Kevin` | why doesn't that paste thing show here automatically |
| 15:25.49 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i say try 2.4 and 2.6 .. the floppies are 2.4 |
| 15:25.56 | abrotman | Kevin`: asshats abused it |
| 15:26.37 | lunitik | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room <-- that doesn't sound good |
| 15:26.39 | grendal_prime | O ok i see what you ment. |
| 15:26.42 | asg | !dynamic mmap |
| 15:26.42 | dpkg | i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 15:26.46 | asg | lunitik: ^^ |
| 15:27.00 | abrotman | slew: ^^ |
| 15:27.25 | Kevin` | why use aptitude instead of apt-get.. aptitude needs X doesn't it? |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | !prize asg |
| 15:27.29 | abrotman | Kevin`: no |
| 15:27.35 | grendal_prime | im just not understanding the boot process i guess..ill try the floppy route ad see if it even looks at it first. |
| 15:27.40 | asg | abrotman: that was a double :) |
| 15:27.50 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:27.54 | lunitik | Kevin`: aptitude is basically apt-get-ng (or at least thats how I like to think of it :) |
| 15:27.54 | grendal_prime | no Kevin` synaptic needs X |
| 15:27.55 | asg | DVDA! |
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| 15:28.41 | grendal_prime | aptitude is a console deal for apt...works very nice...it rocks on servers, very fast even from a dialup. |
| 15:28.53 | grendal_prime | dialup over ssh |
| 15:28.57 | yuheng108 | how do you get xmms to play wma file? |
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| 15:29.06 | grendal_prime | try clicking on it |
| 15:29.07 | grendal_prime | hehee |
| 15:29.16 | slew | abrotman, asg, lunitik thanks! |
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| 15:29.31 | abrotman | !tell yuheng108 about w32codecs |
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| 15:30.14 | yuheng108 | abrotman, thanks |
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| 15:30.38 | roger21 | hi |
| 15:31.01 | osh_ | anyone who can help me remove a package? I've tried everything I can think of. |
| 15:31.04 | yuheng108 | abrotman, but it says invalid link for the link that was given |
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| 15:31.19 | abrotman | which link? |
| 15:31.29 | abrotman | !tell yuheng108 about marillat |
| 15:31.39 | abrotman | use debian-multimedia.org |
| 15:31.57 | yuheng108 | ok, thanks |
| 15:32.26 | osh_ | why does dpkg tell me about some file in /proc and refuse to remove a package? |
| 15:33.34 | abrotman | paste the error somewhere |
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| 15:36.27 | nox-Hand | Argh... checking jpeglib.h usability... no||| checking jpeglib.h presence... no ||| checking for jpeglib.h... no ||| configure: error: "Cannot find jpeglib.h. Make sure your CFLAGS environment variable contains include lines for the location of this file" What's this mean? |
| 15:37.21 | dabreegster | nox-Hand: Sounds like you need libjpeg62-dev or similar |
| 15:37.54 | nox-Hand | Ah, yei |
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| 15:39.02 | osh_ | http://pastebin.ca/105309 |
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| 15:39.23 | osh_ | anyone who can help with that. |
| 15:39.58 | nox-Hand | I need help, as that was not the thing I needed, dabreegster |
| 15:40.11 | azeem | osh_: it might help to describe your problem in one sentence, so interested people might check the pastebin |
| 15:40.31 | dabreegster | nox-Hand: That gives you /usr/include/jpeglib.h, which should always be in your include path. The package might be different; are you on testing? |
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| 15:40.44 | megaissues | how do I upgrade to testing? |
| 15:40.45 | nox-Hand | dabreegster: Affirmative |
| 15:40.50 | nox-Hand | asg: help? :P |
| 15:41.07 | megaissues | do I had testing to the source list and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:41.14 | osh_ | Why won't dpkg remove a package? Please help! http://pastebin.ca/105309 |
| 15:41.16 | yuheng108 | abrotman, hoew come after I add debian-multimedia.org, it give me W: Couldn't stat source package list http://debian-multimedia.org Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debian-multimedia.org_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:41.16 | yuheng108 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.36 | abrotman | you did sometihng worng? |
| 15:41.42 | dabreegster | nox-Hand: See if you have /usr/include/jpeglib.h |
| 15:41.58 | abrotman | osh_: create those files with touch and try again |
| 15:41.59 | infernix | yuheng108: apt-get update first |
| 15:42.12 | yuheng108 | I did, that's what I get when I do that |
| 15:42.24 | megaissues | how do I upgrade to testing? |
| 15:42.33 | osh_ | abrotman: that's a file with all kernel modules in it, so those files don't exist at all. |
| 15:42.43 | nox-Hand | dabreegster: I do |
| 15:43.06 | abrotman | osh_: depmod? |
| 15:43.37 | roger21 | i don't understand why a dpkg -l "*binutils*" return nothing, any ideas ? |
| 15:44.01 | abrotman | no " |
| 15:44.23 | abrotman | eh |
| 15:44.24 | dabreegster | nox-Hand: Then the config file is doing something weird or /usr/include isn't in your path |
| 15:44.28 | osh_ | abrotman: what? include those modules and then try to remove the package? |
| 15:44.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:45.07 | osh_ | abrotman: the problem is that those modules don't exist, just like dpkg sais. I think the package that I installed was broken. |
| 15:45.11 | megaissues | how do I upgrade to testing? |
| 15:45.12 | abrotman | roger21: is it installed? |
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| 15:45.29 | abrotman | !tell megaissues about sarge->etch |
| 15:46.20 | abrotman | osh_: so when you installed it .. it didn't work either? |
| 15:46.34 | nox-Hand | dabreegster: Hmm, bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games: No such file or directory comes up when I do $PATH, so how do I add it? |
| 15:46.36 | roger21 | abrotman, i don't know but it'is not the point since dpkg -l is supposed to list installed and uninstalled packages, no ? |
| 15:47.03 | abrotman | roger21: not all uninstalled .. only if they were once and now not |
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| 15:47.15 | roger21 | ooooooooooooh |
| 15:47.16 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. no .. should show it anyways |
| 15:47.17 | dabreegster | nox-Hand: It wouldn't be your path, check the makefile or use a configure option to set your include path for headers. Grep the makefile for jpeglib.h and see if it's looking somewhere weird. |
| 15:47.18 | roger21 | thanks |
| 15:47.21 | abrotman | roger21: no .. it should show them |
| 15:47.25 | megaissues | ? sarge > etch |
| 15:47.29 | roger21 | roh |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | roger21: but binutils should be installed |
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| 15:47.41 | abrotman | roger21: apt-cache policy binutils |
| 15:47.41 | osh_ | abrotman: don't think so. it was an attempt to get modem running. |
| 15:48.04 | roger21 | abrotman, installed |
| 15:48.12 | abrotman | roger21: dpkg -l binutils ? |
| 15:48.13 | Tallu | I was just wondering, if I upgrade to etch now, will it sort of stop the moment it becomes stable, so I'd end up with the new stable version in december, or am I just better off waiting with sarge until etch does become stable? |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | Tallu: yes |
| 15:48.25 | roger21 | abrotman, sorry installed: (none) actually |
| 15:48.32 | osh_ | abrotman: what I don't understand is why "force-all" doesn't just force the package out. |
| 15:48.34 | abrotman | roger21: eh .. how'd you do that ? |
| 15:48.38 | megaissues | how may I upgrade to testing? |
| 15:48.40 | megaissues | to ethc? |
| 15:48.43 | abrotman | osh_: the script is failing |
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| 15:48.47 | abrotman | !tell megaissues about sarge->etch |
| 15:48.47 | dvs | Tallu: it depends how you upgrade it |
| 15:49.03 | roger21 | abrotman, No packages found matching binutils |
| 15:49.05 | abrotman | Tallu: if you track etch .. when it becomes stable .. you'll have stable |
| 15:49.11 | megaissues | abrotman: that bot doesn't work |
| 15:49.11 | abrotman | roger21: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:49.18 | abrotman | megaissues: dpkg told you how to do it |
| 15:49.24 | nox-Hand | dabreegster: That's too much....grep your makefile? Which makefile? :P |
| 15:49.26 | osh_ | abrotman: anything I can do about that? |
| 15:49.34 | abrotman | osh_: make it htink they are there |
| 15:49.38 | Maulkin | Tallu: I woudn't reccomend thinking of upgrading to etch until it freezes, if you're after a stable system |
| 15:49.52 | roger21 | abrotman, i'm playing with a DFS, i'm not so surprised not to have lots of package but i dont understand why dpkg -l don't list them |
| 15:50.03 | dabreegster | nox-Hand: Whatever you're trying to build. less Makefile then /jpeglib.h till you find the right line. |
| 15:50.12 | osh_ | abrotman: so there's no "--force-and-let-the-concequences-be-damned" option? |
| 15:50.17 | abrotman | roger21: if they weren't installed via dpkg .. it won't know abou tthem |
| 15:50.21 | roger21 | abrotman, ii libc6 ... |
| 15:50.21 | Tallu | Hmm okay, I think I'll just stick with sarge until etch becomes stable. :) I was just thinking of sort of giving testing a try while trying to keep things somewhat stable, hehe |
| 15:50.24 | abrotman | osh_: --force-all is the closest |
| 15:50.28 | abrotman | roger21: what version ? |
| 15:50.32 | nox-Hand | dabreegster: its |
| 15:50.37 | osh_ | abrotman: thanks. and bloody annoying. |
| 15:50.43 | roger21 | abrotman, 2.3.6-16 |
| 15:50.57 | nox-Hand | dabreegster: it's a .sh script called easy_e17.sh, that installs all E packages, but it's not going that easy right now.... |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | roger21: so you can't install binutils either ? |
| 15:51.31 | dabreegster | nox-Hand: Weird. Search that, then. It might be calling a configure or Makefile script underneath. |
| 15:51.38 | roger21 | abrotman, yes i surly can, my question was just why dpkg -l *binutils* return nothing |
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| 15:52.06 | abrotman | roger21: but apt-cache policy binutils .. shows something ? |
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| 15:52.20 | dieselboy | I'm trying to connect to my isp via adsl, but I get the message, "LCP terminated by peer" them the connection is terminated. What should I do? |
| 15:52.48 | osh_ | abrotman: trying to write in /proc isn't such a good idea. any other suggestions? |
| 15:53.00 | roger21 | abrotman, yes: installed: (none) candidate: 2.17-2 ... |
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| 15:53.12 | abrotman | roger21: then that is weird :) |
| 15:53.34 | roby | Flash media won't play sound in Firefox, I have sound working in everything else like xmms, mplayer, etc. What could be wrong? ALSA used here |
| 15:53.43 | sid | What is a program I can use to turn my cooling fan in my laptop on full blast? |
| 15:53.48 | roger21 | abrotman, i don't understand why dpkg -l don't list it, it isn't supposed to do that ? |
| 15:53.54 | abrotman | osh_: oh .. it'll be fun |
| 15:54.18 | abrotman | roger21: afaik .. it should |
| 15:54.20 | osh_ | abrotman: I thought so too, but it doesn't work I'm afraid. I really did try. |
| 15:54.45 | lunitik | Else it returns things like "No such package *binutils*" when there really is... |
| 15:54.46 | liable | what apache module do i need to show a dir of files? like a repo? |
| 15:54.48 | abrotman | lunitik: dpkg -l binu* |
| 15:54.48 | jelly-home | osh_: you could just add exit 0 at the beginning of the inst. script that fails (postrm) |
| 15:55.05 | abrotman | liable: you don't need a module |
| 15:55.11 | abrotman | liable: you have to permit it |
| 15:55.15 | osh_ | jelly-home: how would I find that script? |
| 15:55.28 | jelly-home | osh_: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package-name.postrm |
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| 15:55.53 | liable | abrotman: oh. ok, i'll look in the config. ta |
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| 15:56.19 | abrotman | liable: it's in the Options .. if you want me to find it i will |
| 15:56.30 | Rothgar` | Anyone got some models of NICS that work nice with both Debian and VMware, my onboard VIA is being a pain in the ass |
| 15:56.41 | liable | abrotman: i am looking, but if you beat me to it, sure :) |
| 15:56.50 | Kevin` | what do you mean, work with vmware |
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| 15:56.51 | abrotman | i will |
| 15:56.57 | Kevin` | vmware uses the host's drivers for nic access |
| 15:57.01 | abrotman | liable: apache 1 or 2? |
| 15:57.03 | Skaag | !unstable cd image |
| 15:57.04 | dvs | Rothgar`: I like Intel's the 3COMs personally |
| 15:57.05 | Rothgar` | VMware is spitting network errors |
| 15:57.18 | Skaag | hm.. how do i query the bot? |
| 15:57.19 | liable | abrotman: 1 |
| 15:57.27 | Kevin` | Rothgar` what virtual card does vmware use? |
| 15:57.35 | dvs | Skaag: /msg dpkg |
| 15:57.38 | slew | which java package should i install to play java games and maybe use azureus? |
| 15:57.38 | Rothgar` | Well I don't know why Vmware has issues with network and Samba works fine |
| 15:57.48 | Skaag | so maybe the bot is desynched or something |
| 15:57.54 | Skaag | not answering |
| 15:58.09 | Skaag | i'm looking for a debian cd image that will install a 2.6.x kernel |
| 15:58.12 | Kevin` | Rothgar` vmware uses several virtual nics (on the host side).. you might want to check the config for them |
| 15:58.17 | Skaag | recent if possible |
| 15:58.18 | jelly-home | osh_: if you want to debug, put "set -x" at the beginning (after the !# line) and try invoking dpkg again. |
| 15:58.30 | Rothgar` | AMD PCNet |
| 15:58.40 | nox-Hand | aclocal: configure.in: 80: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library <-- help :( It's in my easy_e17.sh script |
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| 15:59.31 | Neoack | heu salut ces koi l'adresse du debian francais |
| 15:59.45 | Kevin` | isn't there a #debian-fr? |
| 15:59.57 | sid | !fr |
| 15:59.58 | dpkg | [fr] Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debianfr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr (irc.debian.org) |
| 15:59.59 | Neoack | thanks kevin |
| 16:00.02 | osh_ | jelly-home: I did change that "exit 0" and it did appear to work. now dpkg -l reports conexant as "rc" whatever that means. (reading manpage now) |
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| 16:00.23 | Rothgar` | Kevin`: AMD PCNet is the adapter VMware is using |
| 16:00.30 | jelly-home | osh_: rc is ok for a removed package. btw where did you find that "conexant" package? I have linuxant's driver and the package is called hsfmodem. |
| 16:00.44 | abrotman | liable: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#options |
| 16:00.44 | Rothgar` | Kevin`: I am using the onboard via network adapter from the host |
| 16:00.44 | Kevin` | Rothgar` where are the errors occuring, in the guest os or vmware process? |
| 16:00.55 | sid | Is there a way I can turn my fan up all the way on my laptop? |
| 16:01.02 | Rothgar` | it's being logged in my Host console |
| 16:01.08 | Rothgar` | "Debian" |
| 16:01.12 | Kevin` | vmware networking is too complicated.. I like qemu better for that |
| 16:01.25 | Rothgar` | Well most people jsut say buy a new NIC |
| 16:01.33 | Rothgar` | So I figure that is easy enough |
| 16:01.33 | Kevin` | I doubt that's the problem |
| 16:01.38 | Rothgar` | I just want some models heh |
| 16:01.46 | Kevin` | what's the error |
| 16:01.50 | liable | abrotman: cheers |
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| 16:01.54 | Rothgar` | Well I have googled for ages and most people say it gets resolved with a new NIC |
| 16:02.16 | Kevin` | that doesn't make sense unless your using bridged mode possibly? |
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| 16:02.27 | Kevin` | and still, it shouldn't happen |
| 16:02.32 | osh_ | jelly-home: I don't relly know. I was going to try to get my modem running and linuxant/conexant came from there. I really can't say. Now I have hsfmodem running but get a "No carrier" when trying to use it. |
| 16:02.39 | Rothgar` | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 16:02.39 | Kevin` | linux should hide any nic issues |
| 16:02.46 | Rothgar` | eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0000, PHY status 786d, resetting... |
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| 16:02.52 | Rothgar` | eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1. |
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| 16:03.03 | Kevin` | hm, looks like a nic issue :) |
| 16:03.03 | nox | Running aclocal... ||| aclocal: configure.in: 80: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library <-- :( I get this in my easy_e17.sh script, and I don't know how to fix it |
| 16:03.07 | Rothgar` | :) |
| 16:03.18 | Rothgar` | So what is a decent model |
| 16:03.19 | Kevin` | Rothgar` can you have vmware send to a different interface then eth0? |
| 16:03.23 | Rothgar` | Netgear 311? |
| 16:03.25 | abrotman | Rothgar`: unload the watchdog module ? |
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| 16:03.32 | Kevin` | perhaps it would work to use a bridge interface |
| 16:03.56 | Rothgar` | abrotman: I am not too familiar with Vmware will that stop the errors? The VMware freezes for a few seconds when it logs |
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| 16:04.07 | Rothgar` | Kevin`: I need NAT |
| 16:04.11 | abrotman | Rothgar`: try it |
| 16:04.21 | Kevin` | Rothgar` your using vmware's nat function? |
| 16:04.28 | Rothgar` | Kevin`: Yeah |
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| 16:04.32 | Kevin` | there shouldn't be any problems at all then, this is odd |
| 16:04.37 | Kevin` | stupid UPS |
| 16:04.45 | Kevin` | spamming the console when power goes out |
| 16:04.48 | Kevin` | anyway |
| 16:05.01 | dvs | Kevin`: I don't get that |
| 16:05.05 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 16:05.09 | JulianTifflor | with the netinst ? |
| 16:05.13 | JulianTifflor | if i get some errors |
| 16:05.17 | Kevin` | dvs ? |
| 16:05.18 | JulianTifflor | connection timed out |
| 16:05.21 | JulianTifflor | will it try again at the end ? |
| 16:05.28 | Hoxzer | Kevin`: do you know kevin the hacker? |
| 16:05.39 | Rothgar` | Hoxzer: Mitnick? |
| 16:05.47 | Kevin` | Hoxzer depends whether you consider me a hacker.. the famous one, no |
| 16:05.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: i don't think "NETDEV WATCHDOG" error has anything to do with the watchdog driver... |
| 16:06.00 | abrotman | what are the chances two guys named kevin know each other |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: ok |
| 16:06.22 | Rothgar` | jelly-home: I don't think so either |
| 16:06.42 | nox | asg, You there? |
| 16:06.59 | Rothgar` | Netgear 311 work well? |
| 16:07.07 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.09 | dvs | Kevin`: My computer does spew out messages all over the console if the power goes out |
| 16:07.11 | Kevin` | Hoxzer do you see anyone else having problems with your card for non-vmware nat? |
| 16:07.31 | abrotman | ask #vmware ? |
| 16:07.58 | Kevin` | dvs well.. good for it? |
| 16:08.10 | slew | hehe |
| 16:08.11 | Kevin` | unless you mean "doesn't" |
| 16:08.17 | Kevin` | in which case, why not? |
| 16:08.20 | jelly-home | Rothgar`: looks like network card driver issue, but it's strange that only vmware triggers it. |
| 16:08.46 | Hoxzer | Kevin`: eh? I dont really know what you are talking about |
| 16:08.47 | Rothgar` | jelly-home: I know a lot of people say the VIA drivers are dodgy |
| 16:08.51 | nox | Anybody help me? |
| 16:09.01 | Kevin` | Hoxzer oops, wrong person |
| 16:09.02 | Rothgar` | I'da rather just buy a new NIC, just want to make sure I get one decent this time |
| 16:09.04 | Kevin` | :) |
| 16:09.12 | Rothgar` | It was just an onboard NIC so I am not surprised |
| 16:09.31 | Kevin` | i'm suprised that any recent nics have problems like that |
| 16:09.33 | Kevin` | even onboard |
| 16:09.40 | jelly-home | Rothgar`: intel's cards are nice. I have good results with SysKonnect's cards too. |
| 16:09.43 | Kevin` | whatever "that" is |
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| 16:10.24 | Rothgar` | Is there a list of cards that play nice with Debian and Vmware? |
| 16:10.36 | Rothgar` | Might go Gigabit since I am looking |
| 16:10.38 | yuheng108 | how to setup wine so the you can choose where the c: directory to be install? |
| 16:10.40 | Kevin` | more like a list of cards that don't play well |
| 16:10.47 | Kevin` | although, check the kernel config |
| 16:10.50 | Kevin` | it has a list of drivers.. |
| 16:11.32 | Kevin` | Rothgar` what i'd do is find a card, then check for any problems.. I think you'll have a problem finding a card that doesn't work |
| 16:11.36 | Kevin` | other then your own :) |
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| 16:11.49 | Kevin` | nforce maybe |
| 16:11.58 | robin_sz | do you have, like, one NIC for each OS ? or can you share a single NIC between two os's runing under vmware? |
| 16:12.02 | dvs | Kevin`: those are ususally on motherboards |
| 16:12.16 | Rothgar` | Netgear 32-BIT 1000Mbps Gigabit PCI Adpater RJ45 (GA311) |
| 16:12.18 | dvs | *usually |
| 16:12.22 | Kevin` | dvs yes, but still, what else can you think of that works badly |
| 16:12.45 | dvs | Kevin`: Realtek 8139 |
| 16:12.56 | Rothgar` | dvs: :) |
| 16:12.57 | Kevin` | hm that sounds familiar |
| 16:12.59 | Kevin` | I wonder if I have one |
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| 16:13.26 | laurens_ | hi |
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| 16:13.53 | Kevin` | 01:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 16:13.55 | Kevin` | woot :D |
| 16:13.58 | jelly-home | yuheng108: use winecfg to change drive mappings. If you're looking for a way to have multiple fake windows installations, look for WINEPREFIX env. variable (http://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=wineprefix for example) |
| 16:14.00 | dvs | ouch! |
| 16:14.00 | Kevin` | works fine |
| 16:14.01 | Kevin` | :) |
| 16:14.20 | dvs | Kevin`: you're one of the lucky ones |
| 16:14.23 | Kevin` | I use it for my router/server.. I think it's the LAN side |
| 16:14.26 | Kevin` | never had any problems |
| 16:14.36 | Kevin` | well one actually, helps to have acpi enabled |
| 16:15.17 | Kevin` | heh.. what's wrong with it |
| 16:15.33 | Rothgar` | Hmm Intel gigabit NICS are quite pricey |
| 16:15.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: have you tried a dec21x40 or whatever they are in linux lately? |
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| 16:16.38 | abrotman | dvs: i have numerous of them .. they don't work so well anymore .. windows hates them .. linux doesn't love them as much as it used to .. |
| 16:16.41 | dvs | Rothgar`: what about an Intel 905b? |
| 16:16.53 | abrotman | 3com 905b ? |
| 16:16.56 | dvs | I mean 3COM 305b |
| 16:17.09 | dvs | argh! |
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| 16:17.27 | abrotman | a little early for stuff eh? |
| 16:17.32 | dvs | never! |
| 16:17.52 | Rothgar` | Anyone used Netgear cards? |
| 16:18.03 | abrotman | that's what i replaced my dec cards with :) |
| 16:18.11 | ^punisher | dunno |
| 16:18.15 | Kevin` | Rothgar` your giving/selling them? |
| 16:18.38 | Rothgar` | I can get a Netgear card for $30-$50 |
| 16:18.49 | Rothgar` | 311 for $30 or 511 for $50 |
| 16:19.02 | abrotman | $30? you're getting ripped |
| 16:19.28 | Kevin` | especially used |
| 16:19.49 | abrotman | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=FA311&btnG=Search+Froogle |
| 16:20.06 | abrotman | you can probably buy a 10pk from CDW for like 150$ |
| 16:20.09 | Rothgar` | AUD |
| 16:20.15 | Kevin` | anyone want to give me 1tb worth of hard drives by chance? |
| 16:20.19 | Kevin` | just thought i'd ask |
| 16:20.33 | Rothgar` | No-one used Netgear cards with Debian? |
| 16:20.38 | abrotman | i do |
| 16:20.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:20.45 | Rothgar` | What models? |
| 16:20.54 | abrotman | fa311 or 312 .. can't remember |
| 16:21.04 | Rothgar` | Ah 10/100 |
| 16:21.17 | abrotman | the horror |
| 16:21.17 | Rothgar` | I was looking at GA311 or GA511 |
| 16:21.41 | abrotman | yeah .. putting a GB NIC in the fax server seemed like a waste :) |
| 16:21.50 | dvs | man! There's a GA311, WG311 or a FA310TX |
| 16:21.51 | Kevin` | hm I could use a few gigabit cards.. and a switch.. |
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| 16:22.11 | Rothgar` | dvs: You've used the GA311? |
| 16:22.17 | dvs | Ronin: nope |
| 16:22.23 | dvs | Rothgar`: : nope |
| 16:22.40 | nox | What dev package am I missing? |
| 16:22.50 | abrotman | that one! |
| 16:22.57 | Rothgar` | Hmm |
| 16:23.04 | Rothgar` | I might just buy one cheap enough |
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| 16:23.24 | snaildown | is there anyone with live.com invitation? |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | wrong channel |
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| 16:23.56 | blondie | :O |
| 16:23.57 | Rothgar` | Isn't this #live.com-invites ? |
| 16:24.09 | nox | Running aclocal... |
| 16:24.09 | nox | aclocal: configure.in: 80: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library |
| 16:24.17 | Rothgar` | What have I been doing all this time |
| 16:24.17 | snaildown | Rothgar` |
| 16:24.18 | snaildown | ha ha ha |
| 16:24.19 | nox | What dev-package am I missing if I get this messge? |
| 16:24.22 | Kevin` | what's live.com |
| 16:24.28 | nox | Kevin`, evil |
| 16:24.45 | Kevin` | looks like a windows thing |
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| 16:24.47 | Kevin` | what does it do? |
| 16:24.47 | abrotman | nox: libgtk1.2-dev or something like that |
| 16:25.04 | snaildown | a great email service |
| 16:25.13 | Kevin` | peh I have email already |
| 16:25.16 | Kevin` | sendmail :) |
| 16:25.22 | jelly-home | !find /usr/share/aclocal/gtk-2.0.m4 sarge |
| 16:25.26 | snaildown | but its good |
| 16:25.35 | snaildown | %100 backed by ajax |
| 16:25.37 | snaildown | fast |
| 16:25.38 | Kevin` | better then pine/sendmail? |
| 16:25.42 | Kevin` | I don't like ajax |
| 16:25.44 | abrotman | snaildown: WRONG CHANNEL |
| 16:25.55 | dvs | Kevin`: you better like ajax!!!! |
| 16:25.59 | snaildown | ok abrotman |
| 16:26.00 | snaildown | sorry |
| 16:26.00 | Kevin` | I know :( |
| 16:26.08 | Kevin` | it's gonna be everywhere soonb |
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| 16:27.19 | jelly-home | Isn't ajax a cleaning product brand? |
| 16:27.20 | Kevin` | snaildown there is a windows channel on this network, you know |
| 16:27.24 | blondie | jelly-home: yes |
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| 16:27.52 | dvs | jelly-home: yes, it's also an ancient warrior, a battleship and , most importantly, the name of my town!!! |
| 16:28.01 | Kevin` | orly? |
| 16:28.03 | Kevin` | where |
| 16:28.24 | jelly-home | dvs: talk about semantic overload |
| 16:28.33 | dvs | jelly-home: yup |
| 16:28.38 | Rothgar` | jelly-home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX "Garrett thought of the term while in the shower[1], when he realized the need for a shorthand term to represent the suite of technologies he was proposing to a client" |
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| 16:28.54 | Kevin` | Rothgar` that's marketing for you |
| 16:29.06 | Rothgar` | He obviously said "Hey I need some Ajax" |
| 16:29.14 | dvs | heh |
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| 16:30.48 | abrotman | they have dingos in austria ? |
| 16:31.00 | Rothgar` | Don't know |
| 16:31.10 | shingouz | abrotman: the other au :p |
| 16:31.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: obviously imported |
| 16:31.37 | shingouz | has to be |
| 16:31.50 | abrotman | at least i know where TARZEAU's girlfriends are from |
| 16:31.54 | Rothgar` | Do they have polar bears in hawaii? |
| 16:32.00 | dvs | doh! |
| 16:32.45 | shingouz | i know there are monkeys in finland. they sometimes ride in my cab |
| 16:32.49 | bart_ | hi, i have a question about html, the option onmouseover="bgColor='red'", the function bgColor, is that javascript or what, and where can i find all the basic functions ? |
| 16:32.56 | abrotman | shingouz: no .. those are americans |
| 16:33.07 | abrotman | bart_: JS .. ask #web |
| 16:33.08 | shingouz | abrotman: no, they are drunk finns |
| 16:33.20 | robin_sz | finns? drunk? surely not! |
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| 16:33.34 | Rothgar` | bart_: You obviosuyl need to master CSS |
| 16:33.42 | Kevin` | bgcolor used there doesn't look like a function, but a variable/property |
| 16:33.43 | abrotman | Rothgar`: it's JS |
| 16:33.48 | shingouz | umm.. not really drunk. toasted is more like it |
| 16:33.59 | Rothgar` | abrotman: I know |
| 16:34.59 | shingouz | robin_sz: you are too diplomatic. a 'bit' is a 'bit' of an understatement ;) |
| 16:35.45 | shingouz | i swear some of them must hibernate under a compost or something... |
| 16:35.53 | robin_sz | in winter? nah |
| 16:36.02 | robin_sz | they have hobbies in winter. |
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| 16:36.15 | dvs | robin_sz: shivering? |
| 16:36.16 | abrotman | hobbies? |
| 16:36.26 | robin_sz | namely, 1) drinking, 2) adultery and 3) depression |
| 16:36.30 | ugly | why would mousedev not be loaded automatically under kernel-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp, but is loaded under kernel-image-2.6.15-1-486? |
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| 16:37.06 | abrotman | just put it in /etc/modules |
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| 16:37.23 | ugly | abrotman: right, but I'd like to know why |
| 16:37.40 | abrotman | different versions of udev? |
| 16:37.50 | robin_sz | im still confused as to why I cant get X to start under kernel-image-2.6.16-2-686-sm |
| 16:37.57 | robin_sz | I decided I was just unlucky |
| 16:38.11 | ugly | abrotman: not as far as I know - there's only one udev package? |
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| 16:38.18 | dvs | robin_sz: probably because of the proprietary ATI/Nvidia drivers? |
| 16:38.22 | ugly | (in testing) |
| 16:38.28 | robin_sz | dvs, nah, not those |
| 16:38.38 | Crissi | hrr |
| 16:38.44 | Crissi | kde is borken in unstable |
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| 16:39.21 | blondie | s/in unstable// |
| 16:39.26 | robin_sz | dvs, or at least it is an ATI-rage 128 card, but I used the standard drivers under 2.6.14 and nothing "special" from ati, so it should be ok under 2.6.16 no? |
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| 16:39.39 | dvs | robin_sz: it should |
| 16:39.49 | abrotman | ugly: it might interact differently with the kernel .. don't trust udev .. if you want something loaded .. put it in /etc/modules |
| 16:41.29 | liable | grr |
| 16:41.56 | ugly | abrotman: ok |
| 16:42.00 | Crissi | any ideas when kdebase & ca is fixed in unstable? |
| 16:42.32 | abrotman | KODACHROME! |
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| 16:42.55 | liable | abrotman: why the fuck does indexes not work! |
| 16:43.09 | liable | :) |
| 16:43.25 | abrotman | liable: restart apache |
| 16:43.31 | abrotman | liable: public or private? |
| 16:43.50 | liable | abrotman: i did, and its a virtual domain |
| 16:44.01 | abrotman | liable: i meant .. can i get to it ? |
| 16:44.06 | liable | abrotman: sure |
| 16:44.09 | abrotman | msg the url |
| 16:44.23 | abrotman | shingouz: my mom says the same thing |
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| 16:45.29 | roger21 | is there a package i can dpkg-reconfigure to set hostname and dn ? |
| 16:45.31 | abrotman | liable: that's not saying forbidden .. the dir doesn't exist apparently .. check your logs |
| 16:45.49 | nox | abrotman, Cheers, I shall try :) |
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| 16:46.38 | liable | abrotman: yeah, but the dir does exist. thats whats pissing me off. |
| 16:46.52 | abrotman | liable: does the vhost have it's own logs? |
| 16:47.01 | liable | abrotman: nah |
| 16:47.14 | abrotman | it's name based? |
| 16:47.27 | liable | abrotman: though it is showing // at the end of the url |
| 16:47.34 | abrotman | that's ok |
| 16:47.36 | liable | yep |
| 16:47.40 | abrotman | well . it should be |
| 16:48.03 | abrotman | the / page works |
| 16:48.14 | liable | yeah, has for ages :) |
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| 16:48.31 | liable | its just getting a dir to show thats pissing me off :) |
| 16:48.33 | abrotman | is this a uhm .. directory alias? |
| 16:48.49 | abrotman | are there any files in the Xgl dir ? |
| 16:48.52 | nox | abrotman, Yei, that gave me another error now. Could you come see in #nox-Hand quickly? |
| 16:48.53 | liable | yes |
| 16:48.55 | nox | please* |
| 16:48.58 | abrotman | liable: give me one |
| 16:49.01 | abrotman | nox: talk here |
| 16:49.07 | abrotman | please |
| 16:49.18 | nox | abrotman, Okay, I shall make a pastebin |
| 16:49.25 | jetscreamer | you do know that nox was a clan eh |
| 16:49.26 | liable | abrotman: http://liable.mine.nu/Xgl/compiz/compiz-cvs270706_0.0.1-1_i386.changes |
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| 16:49.57 | abrotman | liable: paste the relevant area somewhere |
| 16:49.58 | nox | jetscreamer, nox is also latin for darkness |
| 16:50.03 | liable | abrotman: k |
| 16:50.07 | nox-Hand | There, that's my regular nick.. |
| 16:50.09 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 16:51.07 | nox-Hand | dvs, Hand is my last name, and nox is my alias, put together, my alias is nox-Hand. |
| 16:51.29 | abrotman | wacky english |
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| 16:51.32 | nox-Hand | And nox is supposed to be darkness in this sense |
| 16:51.35 | nox-Hand | abrotman, What? |
| 16:52.03 | nox-Hand | Ah, yes, the grammer wasn't that good, though I didn't really put much thought into it, so I feel excused |
| 16:52.05 | psycose | on a ssh 2 session, the command more display the 2 first line of a file and then freeze ! any tips? same result for xterm & gnome-terminal .. ssh client 4.2p1 ssh server 4.2p |
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| 16:54.03 | abrotman | nox-Hand: Hand sounds like an english last name to me :) |
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| 16:56.14 | psycose | any clue about my ssh problem ? thanks |
| 16:57.42 | abrotman | nox-Hand: where'd the pastebin go? |
| 16:58.06 | jetscreamer | same behavior when you use less instead of more? (i know nothing though) |
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| 16:58.53 | jetscreamer | and you are hitting pgdn/up eh |
| 16:59.22 | infernix | psychonate: echo $LINES. what do you get? 2? |
| 16:59.40 | psycose | jetscreamer, when it freeze nothing work .. even CTRL C .. i just need to disconnecT... |
| 17:00.09 | psycose | infernix, i get 36 |
| 17:00.21 | somePriest | Anyone know a good resource for learning about setting up sshd, private/public keys, etc? I'd like to read to answer a few questions. ie: I can connect to my Linux box using Putty (using my public/private keys), but when I use ssh from another Linux machine, which uses the same public/private key, it doesn't accept my passphrase. |
| 17:00.34 | infernix | psycose: echo $TERM? |
| 17:00.41 | psycose | infernix, xterm |
| 17:01.05 | psycose | when i do man date for example, the screen becomes _blank_ but nothing is displayed |
| 17:01.05 | infernix | psycose: same problem with less? |
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| 17:02.31 | psycose | infernix, less does not display nothing, cariage return and freeze |
| 17:02.44 | infernix | psycose: pretty weird. try export TERM=linux, see if its related to the terminal emulation |
| 17:02.49 | infernix | or vt102 |
| 17:03.09 | psycose | infernix, i've already try vt100 .. ok trying ... |
| 17:04.28 | psycose | infernix, TERM=linux more freezewithout displaying nothing ... |
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| 17:05.28 | infernix | psycose, i assume you're inside X. have you tried what happens on console? |
| 17:05.55 | psycose | infernix, yes i've try on consol same result |
| 17:05.57 | psycose | Ah |
| 17:06.08 | psycose | with vt102 it works ! |
| 17:06.09 | infernix | somePriest: google around, openssh private public key. lots of guides |
| 17:06.23 | psycose | vim/less /more works with vt102 .... what a pity |
| 17:06.36 | Kevin` | it's probably wise to use a different private key for each computer |
| 17:06.51 | Kevin` | (although you shouldn't need to) |
| 17:06.58 | psycose | infernix, oops less and vim works but more does not ... |
| 17:07.01 | infernix | somePriest: you could add putty to the mix, then you'll get even more guides |
| 17:07.22 | infernix | psycose: well im kind of puzzled where the problem lies. are you on debian unstable? testing? |
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| 17:08.16 | nox-Hand | abrotman, it is indeed English, the pastebin is sending now, sorry, got a call |
| 17:08.43 | nox-Hand | any other pasting service I can use, this is slow.. |
| 17:08.43 | abrotman | it's ok |
| 17:08.57 | Kevin` | there's tons of pasting services |
| 17:09.09 | infernix | !paste |
| 17:09.09 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:09.10 | psycose | It's an ubuntu on this pc (OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7ubuntu3, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005) _please don't kick me_ ;-) |
| 17:09.35 | infernix | psycose, well, ask the #ubuntu guys for further assistance;) |
| 17:09.38 | Kevin` | perhaps you should go to #ubuntu.. |
| 17:09.46 | nox-Hand | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3287 |
| 17:09.49 | nox-Hand | shoot, dinner, bbiab |
| 17:10.04 | Kevin` | asking about non-debian packages and stuff in here isn't logical |
| 17:10.15 | psycose | i've try but people jsut talking about converting mp3 and over things.. seems my problems does not interest them ... |
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| 17:11.20 | infernix | psycose: one doesnt take ones Mercedes to the BWM dealer for repairs. same applies here |
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| 17:12.15 | infernix | the BMW dealer might make general suggestions on what the problem could be but in-depth they wont know,. |
| 17:13.00 | psycose | infernix, for sure.... thanks for your help |
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| 17:15.43 | roo9 | what is the boot argument to specify a specific amount of memory to boot with? |
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| 17:16.30 | slew | ok, i did dexconf and it worked, now im in gnome but xorg says driver is vesa instead of nvidia. |
| 17:16.34 | infernix | max_addr=512M or 1G |
| 17:16.57 | infernix | "max_addr=[KMG] [KNL,BOOT,ia64] All physical memory greater than or equal to this physical address is ignored." |
| 17:17.20 | infernix | might also just be mem= |
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| 17:17.41 | hookie | ms windows bug |
| 17:17.43 | hookie | :) |
| 17:17.46 | hookie | yet another |
| 17:17.49 | hookie | here |
| 17:18.07 | hookie | http://foundsomething.blogspot.com/2006/07/hide-files-in-ms-windows-exploit-bug.html |
| 17:18.07 | hookie | :) |
| 17:18.07 | hookie | bbye |
| 17:18.50 | infernix | hookie: this channel is about debian, not about windows. |
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| 17:21.07 | Crissi | kde is borken in unstable... any idea when the wrong depends are resolved? |
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| 17:21.19 | infernix | check the bts. |
| 17:21.46 | abrotman | nox-Hand: get it ? |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | nox-Hand: you need the libgtk-dev stuff |
| 17:22.00 | ax7 | Hi |
| 17:22.00 | ^punisher | hi |
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| 17:24.30 | waiting | SBT. |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | !tell nox-Hand about dr17 |
| 17:24.54 | ugly | I'm trying to update my (previously modified by hand) xorg.conf using dpkg-reconfigure and the '-phigh' flag, as specified by the conf, but dpkg-reconfigure still says it won't update the file because it has been customized |
| 17:25.07 | ugly | is there still a md5sum I can update or? |
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| 17:29.46 | Thunderguy | Hey, let's say I install a kernel-image and headers through the archive, and then I download kernel source for the same version, would it be ok to remove the kernel entirely eg: remove the /boot files for the kernel, the modules and the headers, while keeping the package marked as installed for 'dependency' purposes, Then compile my own kernel? |
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| 17:32.14 | netman1 | Hi All. How are mkcramfs mkinitramfs and mkinitrd related and when is each used? |
| 17:32.27 | nox-Hand | abrotman, back |
| 17:32.33 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 17:32.44 | abrotman | nox-Hand: you need -dev packages |
| 17:32.49 | infernix | Thunderguy: what would be the point? |
| 17:32.55 | infernix | !tell thunderguy about make-kpkg |
| 17:33.11 | nox-Hand | abrotman, I have them |
| 17:33.12 | netman1 | Thunderguy: Why would you? Just create your own with another version number. |
| 17:33.17 | nox-Hand | The one you posted, anywho |
| 17:34.10 | abrotman | nox-Hand: dpkg -l libgtk* |
| 17:34.18 | Thunderguy | ah, I didn't know about kpkg I was looking under 'linux-source' is probably why I didn't find it |
| 17:36.40 | nox-Hand | abrotman, ALL them? |
| 17:36.46 | nox-Hand | How do I get them all? Manually |
| 17:36.47 | abrotman | paste them somewhere |
| 17:36.51 | nox-Hand | Okay, sec |
| 17:37.42 | nox-Hand | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3288, abrotman |
| 17:38.23 | abrotman | libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 17:45.31 | enouf | ugly: still there? |
| 17:46.52 | psycose | my ssh display problem was a MTU problem ;-) |
| 17:46.54 | psycose | see u |
| 17:47.56 | enouf | ugly: Read the comments within the xfree86 OR the Xorg file concerning md5 checksums -- Also perform a 'mv' or 'cp' on the Original to "Back up" your original /XF86Config-4 and /xorg.conf files -- rename them with a .custom extension perhaps - or even rename using a specific date |
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| 17:52.06 | _julien | someone can tell me if xorg 7.1 is in debian sid ? |
| 17:52.31 | azeem | _julien: it is not |
| 17:52.42 | _julien | ok thanks |
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| 17:57.10 | nox-Hand | abrotman, Thanks a lot :) |
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| 17:59.15 | Wikipedia-Gast75 | hi |
| 17:59.24 | Wikipedia-Gast75 | hi |
| 17:59.37 | Wikipedia-Gast75 | test |
| 17:59.53 | ArmEagle_ | hi |
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| 18:01.36 | yuheng108 | how do you remove the shortcut on the desktop? it's like after I put in a CD, it creat an shortcut on the desktop, I don't want it to do that, what can I do? |
| 18:01.44 | newbie2 | hi |
| 18:01.51 | nox-Hand | shoot, abrotman, I aparrently have to go! Sorry, be back monday! :o |
| 18:02.10 | newbie2 | can anyone tell me whether the debian 31r2 - i386 distribution is the right one for me? |
| 18:02.21 | newbie2 | it's a netinstall cd |
| 18:02.35 | Kevin` | what are you using it for? |
| 18:02.39 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 18:02.52 | newbie2 | just to program |
| 18:03.15 | newbie2 | i want to implement in c++ and java |
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| 18:03.33 | Kevin` | well I suppose it would work for that.. i'd use etch for a personal desktop/laptop |
| 18:03.46 | Kevin` | sarge is kinda old :) |
| 18:03.49 | newbie2 | what is etch? |
| 18:04.02 | newbie2 | is it still beta? |
| 18:04.04 | Kevin` | the version after sarge.. still testing I think |
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| 18:04.54 | newbie2 | is it stable enough, i don't like unstable operating systems (-> windows user;-)) |
| 18:05.11 | Kevin` | it's been stable for me |
| 18:05.28 | Kevin` | I remember hearing something about the install cd not working lately though, dunno what to make of that |
| 18:05.32 | newbie2 | what are the benefits compared to sarge? |
| 18:05.42 | Kevin` | someone else will probably chip in and tell me what's up |
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| 18:05.59 | Kevin` | newer software |
| 18:06.20 | waiting | newbie2: the benefits are too huge to be fit into an amount of lines that would not be considered flood |
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| 18:06.51 | newbie2 | can i upgrade it like using an installer like suse's yast ? is there a counterpart in debian? |
| 18:07.00 | Kevin` | yes, apt |
| 18:07.30 | blondie | waiting: well, neither are very pleasant |
| 18:07.32 | newbie2 | do i have a gui at first like kde? |
| 18:07.44 | newbie2 | or do i have to install it afterwards? |
| 18:07.53 | waiting | blondie: the kids drive the dogs nuts - and the dogs drive me nuts |
| 18:07.57 | Kevin` | the option is included in the installer |
| 18:08.08 | infernix | waiting: how you can hate kids is beyond me |
| 18:08.10 | ugly | enouf: yea I figured it out - thanks |
| 18:08.11 | newbie2 | install desktop environment? |
| 18:08.12 | blondie | waiting: shoot them all |
| 18:08.17 | waiting | blondie: ok, brb |
| 18:08.23 | blondie | o.O |
| 18:08.30 | gentgeen__ | I am having trouble with my Nvidia card.... I have nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-2-k7 installed, and the linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 both installed... |
| 18:08.41 | gentgeen__ | only the "nv" driver is working though |
| 18:08.43 | Kevin` | newbie2 standard packages for desktop/workstation or something like that |
| 18:08.50 | enouf | ugly: hmm -- that's slick - welcome ^_^ |
| 18:09.43 | newbie2 | what about the kernel? |
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| 18:10.05 | _fjh_ | hi, my amarok mp3 playback skips,if I compile in parallel some app(nice make all). Can I increase buffers somewhere? |
| 18:10.08 | Kevin` | I think it uses some 2.6 kernel |
| 18:10.12 | Kevin` | (etch that is) |
| 18:10.25 | Kevin` | I build my own |
| 18:10.38 | newbie2 | in both versions (sarge and etch)? |
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| 18:11.00 | shawn_ | hello, I can't get my usb cable modem to work under debian sarge... is there anyone who knows about this stuff that can help me out. |
| 18:11.04 | Kevin` | in sarge i'd just use what came with it.. as it would be used for a server that I wouldn't be touching much |
| 18:11.12 | newbie2 | so can i update everything to make an etch out of sarge? |
| 18:11.16 | Kevin` | sarge uses 2.4 but has 2.6 packages I think |
| 18:11.24 | DocOC | _fjh_: compilation is processor intensive, as is mp3 playback. |
| 18:11.29 | Kevin` | newbie2 I think so, never done it myself |
| 18:12.00 | enouf | shawn: use cat5e .. dump usb as a networking interface |
| 18:12.12 | newbie2 | i'm not in favor compiling my own kernels ... |
| 18:12.16 | shawn_ | don't have a choice |
| 18:12.27 | shawn_ | hardware to old, can't get a eth card to work |
| 18:12.30 | DocOC | shawn_: don't those usb cable modems usually use special software on windows? |
| 18:12.32 | shawn_ | tried several |
| 18:12.51 | newbie2 | did you try netgear fa311? |
| 18:12.53 | Kevin` | DocOC no, they are usually standard usb-ethernet, and use pppoe or dhcp |
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| 18:12.55 | enouf | yuheng108: Gnome or KDE or... |
| 18:13.17 | newbie2 | and did you try to put the nic into another slot? |
| 18:13.26 | shawn_ | yes |
| 18:13.27 | enouf | shawn: How old ? |
| 18:13.36 | newbie2 | that was the problem i had lately |
| 18:13.38 | Kevin` | how do you know the nic isn't working |
| 18:13.48 | Kevin` | did you connect it to another computer or just the modem |
| 18:13.53 | shawn_ | p233 32megs ram |
| 18:14.00 | shawn_ | running blackbox |
| 18:14.04 | enouf | shawn: If it's got USB, it most certainly got PCI (or ISA) and can do it |
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| 18:14.19 | newbie2 | p333 256mb ram |
| 18:14.19 | enouf | shawn: I see -- me too , but a p166 |
| 18:14.19 | shawn_ | yes but i think the slots are damaged |
| 18:14.33 | enouf | shawn: I got 3 PCI slots |
| 18:14.34 | Kevin` | shawn_ how are you testing the card? |
| 18:14.41 | newbie2 | did you try another slot? |
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| 18:14.46 | shawn_ | it is possible for usb with my modem under linux: i found this page take a look: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=1703&cat=myprod |
| 18:14.57 | newbie2 | do you have shared irqs? |
| 18:15.15 | shawn_ | Kevin`, i don't have any of the cards anymore and im broke... literally |
| 18:15.27 | shawn_ | i tried both slots |
| 18:15.29 | _fjh_ | DocOC: I agree on compilation part, but mp3? It is currently using 3.5% of the CPU! Still skipping parts. Has to be something with priority/buffering! |
| 18:15.31 | newbie2 | did you try netgear's fa311? |
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| 18:15.32 | shawn_ | asus board |
| 18:15.44 | Kevin` | shawn_ looks like the modem uses rather standard stuff |
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| 18:16.18 | shawn_ | Kevin`, did you read that site? i cant get ifconfig-usb-eth to work, says command not found |
| 18:16.22 | shawn_ | i searched the net |
| 18:16.26 | shawn_ | couldn't find it either |
| 18:16.30 | enouf | shawn: try as root |
| 18:16.31 | Kevin` | ignore that.. |
| 18:16.58 | enouf | shawn: or better use 'sudo' |
| 18:16.59 | shawn_ | when i boot up, i see "Linksys USB Cable Modem..." scroll by |
| 18:17.14 | shawn_ | so i know that the system can see it |
| 18:17.16 | Kevin` | shawn_ what is listed in ifconfig -a |
| 18:17.39 | shawn_ | eth0 & lo |
| 18:17.44 | enouf | Kevin': ignore what ? |
| 18:17.44 | Kevin` | what is eth0 |
| 18:17.52 | Kevin` | icfg-usb-eth |
| 18:17.58 | dooglus | which package contains tar's documentation in unstable? |
| 18:18.00 | shawn_ | no |
| 18:18.16 | Kevin` | shawn_ does eth0 dissapear if you remove the modem? |
| 18:18.20 | dooglus | the changelog tells me that 'tar' no longer delivers the info file - so which package does? |
| 18:18.24 | shawn_ | lemme try |
| 18:18.25 | Kevin` | (easy way to check, heh) |
| 18:19.15 | AndyMcGee | Hi |
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| 18:19.29 | Slapp | #knoppix |
| 18:19.30 | shawn_ | Kevin`, i have to reboot, when i unplugged my modem the keyboard and mouse died lol |
| 18:19.37 | Kevin` | there's no way to determine a computer's mac address over the internet right? |
| 18:19.42 | Kevin` | sigh |
| 18:19.46 | Kevin` | well, go ahead :) |
| 18:19.53 | Kevin` | perhaps the driver is flaky |
| 18:20.05 | AndyMcGee | What do i have to do to make multible apps use /dev/dsp? Do i need something like a sound-server? |
| 18:20.18 | infernix | AndyMcGee: software alsamixing, or that |
| 18:20.19 | Kevin` | AndyMcGee depends on your card really |
| 18:20.40 | Kevin` | but you can use software mixing if you need it |
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| 18:21.11 | infernix | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php > Software Mixing |
| 18:21.31 | shawn_ | Kevin`, the modem offers both usb and eth. i have my laptop connected to the eth and the other comp to the usb. is that ok? i've tried messing with it with my laptop not connected but didn't seem to make a diff |
| 18:21.43 | jmoschetti45 | is there a way to make a cluster out of 5 debian boxes w/o having to reformat them? |
| 18:22.00 | infernix | jmoschetti45: #define cluster |
| 18:22.04 | Kevin` | shawn_ I doubt it would work properly, as it should give your wan ip to the computer |
| 18:22.18 | Kevin` | but I'd think the usb device will show up, at least |
| 18:22.27 | jmoschetti45 | infernix: i have 380gb of mp3's to transcode, and have 5 boxes |
| 18:22.38 | jmoschetti45 | is there something that will automatically split the load between them |
| 18:23.05 | infernix | jmoschetti45: not to my knowledge. |
| 18:23.13 | jmoschetti45 | dang |
| 18:23.22 | jmoschetti45 | guess i'll be manually load balancing then |
| 18:23.24 | jmoschetti45 | heh |
| 18:23.58 | shawn_ | Kevin`, when i unplug modem and run ifconfig, eth0 goes away, just have lo |
| 18:24.00 | Kevin` | you could use standard cluster drivers, but for a data heavy app like that it might not help much |
| 18:24.15 | Kevin` | shawn_ plug it in and type dhclient eth0 |
| 18:24.15 | newbie2 | i have installed debian now, but it doesn't boot using a gui |
| 18:24.23 | newbie2 | apt isn't accessible |
| 18:24.34 | newbie2 | at least i don't know its path |
| 18:24.44 | Kevin` | shawn_ might not work with your other computer still detected.. not sure how to fix that though |
| 18:25.00 | Kevin` | powercycle most likely if it doesn't work |
| 18:25.02 | jmoschetti45 | newbie2: apt-get install gnome (package name might be a bit different, dont remember) |
| 18:25.19 | infernix | jmoschetti45: just split the amount of files by 5 based on alphabet or something and use nfs to access the central data store, then have separate scripts running. but if you're transcoding to wav you'll have a performance limiter on your LAN speed |
| 18:25.28 | newbie2 | apt: command not found |
| 18:25.42 | Kevin` | what do you want to do with apt |
| 18:25.51 | Kevin` | the commands are apt-* |
| 18:25.56 | jmoschetti45 | newbie2: apt itself isnt a command |
| 18:26.04 | infernix | jmossch: and if you have gbit and 5 boxes writing to 1 nfs share, disk speed will be your performance limit |
| 18:26.08 | jmoschetti45 | its apt-get, or apt-cache, or a few others |
| 18:26.17 | jmoschetti45 | 100mbit |
| 18:26.45 | infernix | jmoschetti45: well transcoding to WAV will saturate your 100mbit lan pretty quickly |
| 18:26.51 | shawn_ | Kevin`, ok brb, lemme disconnect my laptop and try it |
| 18:26.58 | newbie2 | i want to install a gui feasible for a p333 512 mb machine |
| 18:27.01 | linux2 | what would prevent an ftp server (proftpd to be exact) to allow firefox to connect from ftp://rpmmaker.net but not allow the same connection in IE or konqueror. I have asked around everywhere and googled but nothign has come up. someoen else has to have had this issue before. i am guessing it is a configuration issue but i could be wrong. i would really like to get this up and running soon as users of my servers are not allowed to ftp in. |
| 18:27.02 | jmoschetti45 | going from mp3 to mp3 |
| 18:27.10 | jmoschetti45 | so it shouldnt sap so much bandwidth |
| 18:27.23 | infernix | jmoschetti45: should work then, but scripting is the way to go, not advanced cpu clustering |
| 18:27.32 | jmoschetti45 | ok |
| 18:27.40 | newbie2 | gnome, kde or xfce? |
| 18:27.46 | Kevin` | linux2 perhaps requiring a specific password for anonymous |
| 18:27.55 | jmoschetti45 | openbox, or ratpoison if you can use it |
| 18:27.56 | linux2 | Kevin`, im not allowing anonymous login |
| 18:28.07 | Kevin` | then I don't see what would cause that.. |
| 18:28.10 | linux2 | Kevin`, only users are allowed. and they are jailed to their home dirs |
| 18:28.12 | Kevin` | ftp is a simple thing |
| 18:28.13 | linux2 | it worked before |
| 18:28.15 | linux2 | wtf!!! |
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| 18:28.17 | infernix | linux2: tcpdump the connection attempts and see whats going on |
| 18:28.18 | chkbsd | hi |
| 18:28.33 | linux2 | infernix, well it times out or the server drops the connection |
| 18:28.43 | newbie2 | can anyone tell me what's a good gui for a p333 512 mb system? |
| 18:28.51 | infernix | linux2: tcpdump ip port 21 |
| 18:28.52 | jmoschetti45 | newbie2: xfce4 |
| 18:28.57 | chkbsd | how to create a ssl certificate that is useable for rageircd? |
| 18:28.59 | newbie2 | and how to install it? |
| 18:29.09 | newbie2 | apt-get xfce4? |
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| 18:29.16 | jmoschetti45 | "apt-get install xfce4" |
| 18:29.24 | jmoschetti45 | chkbsd: use openssl |
| 18:29.39 | newbie2 | thanks a lot |
| 18:29.43 | chkbsd | yes, thats right but rageircd cant use my cert.pem |
| 18:29.58 | newbie2 | is it started immediately with the next boot? |
| 18:30.02 | chkbsd | jmoschetti45 |
| 18:30.11 | jmoschetti45 | newbie2: probably not |
| 18:30.14 | Kevin` | what's the pseudopackage for a minimal xorg install? |
| 18:30.20 | linux2 | server1:/home/will# tcpdump ip port 21 |
| 18:30.20 | linux2 | tcpdump: illegal qualifier of 'port' |
| 18:30.33 | infernix | chkbsd: probably the .pem nees to be changed; check rageircd docs about what it needs inside the .pem (usually private key + signed cert), or compare your .pem with a working example (google) |
| 18:30.35 | Kevin` | tcpdump -ni eth0 |
| 18:30.52 | asg | Kevin`: x-window-system-core |
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| 18:31.13 | linux2 | tcpdump: bind: Network is down |
| 18:31.24 | Kevin` | linux2 was that the right interface? |
| 18:31.32 | megaissues | hi |
| 18:31.37 | infernix | linux2: im sorry, i ment tcpdump tcp port 21 |
| 18:31.42 | megaissues | ? fluxbox how to |
| 18:31.52 | jmoschetti45 | megaissues: what about flux? |
| 18:31.56 | megaissues | where is information about running fluxbox in Debian? |
| 18:31.59 | asg | megaissues: apt-get install fluxbox ; /usr/share/doc/fluxbox/* |
| 18:32.19 | megaissues | aha |
| 18:32.24 | Kevin` | the binary is "fluxbox" if you want to run it in an x server, btw ;) |
| 18:32.37 | megaissues | I kno |
| 18:32.44 | megaissues | I know but I get this error |
| 18:33.05 | jmoschetti45 | pastebin it, or paste here if its < 2 lines |
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| 18:33.19 | megaissues | Error Couldn't Connect to Xserver |
| 18:33.30 | asg | megaissues: apt-get install x-window-system-core ; /msg dpkg set up x |
| 18:33.34 | Kevin` | set display to the X server |
| 18:33.41 | linux2 | humm idk |
| 18:33.45 | Kevin` | or do it like most people and use startx |
| 18:33.45 | linux2 | nothign useful shows up |
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| 18:34.01 | Kevin` | probably export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 18:34.05 | megaissues | wait I have XORG |
| 18:34.06 | Kevin` | assuming you started one |
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| 18:34.13 | linux2 | 14:56:24.193684 IP c-66-30-177-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net.54528 > 192.168.1.155.ftp: F 104:104(0) ack 335 win 1460 <nop,nop,timestamp 318993677 199638914> |
| 18:34.13 | linux2 | 14:56:24.226843 IP 192.168.1.155.ftp > c-66-30-177-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net.54528: . ack 105 win 5792 <nop,nop,timestamp 199646009 318993677> |
| 18:34.14 | jmoschetti45 | linux2: whats the ftp server, i'll try connecting |
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| 18:34.18 | enouf | linux2: any 'proxy' connection settings? |
| 18:34.22 | megaissues | is x-windows-system-core part of Xorg? |
| 18:34.34 | Kevin` | linux2 believe it or not, that's not very helpful :) |
| 18:34.34 | theine | Is my system badly broken or is KDE essentially not installable in unstable right now? |
| 18:34.41 | asg | megaissues: it installs the minimal packages for X (whether xfree86 or xorg) |
| 18:34.47 | linux2 | jmoschetti45, its not that you cannot connect. youc an login fine, just your files don't ever load in ie or konqueror |
| 18:34.52 | linux2 | it just stalls and then dies |
| 18:34.56 | linux2 | ftp://rpmmaker.net |
| 18:35.09 | asg | linux2: have him try using PASV mode ftp and see if that improves things. |
| 18:35.11 | jmoschetti45 | let me fire up konqueror |
| 18:35.13 | infernix | linux2: is your ftp behind a firewall? it looks so to me. on what ip does your ftp server listen? |
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| 18:35.17 | Kevin` | linux2 were they all using the same passive/active state? |
| 18:35.22 | megaissues | asg: I've installed xserver-xorg with tons of fonts missing, now at least I've dl some fonts... |
| 18:35.30 | grendelson | I seem to have fubarred my color in console. I cant seem to get syntax hiliting no matter wht I try. I can see other colors ( the numbers are yellow, hiliteing in BG and fg works, but the text of all my files is plain black.. Any ideas where to start? |
| 18:35.38 | linux2 | infernix, it is behing a router |
| 18:35.46 | linux2 | infernix, the port is forwarded |
| 18:35.46 | grendelson | in a gnome term I can do ls and see files in colrs... |
| 18:35.56 | Kevin` | linux2 ftp uses more then one port |
| 18:36.01 | enouf | theine: I have KDE 3.5.3 in use under unstable/sid |
| 18:36.03 | grendelson | but when I start vim - no syntax hilites on c++ files or anything else... |
| 18:36.14 | Kevin` | in normal mode the server connects back to the client for data |
| 18:36.19 | asg | grendelson: and if you type ':syntax on', do you get colors? |
| 18:36.20 | linux2 | 66.30.177.11 |
| 18:36.23 | Kevin` | in passive mode the client connects to random ports on the server |
| 18:36.32 | grendelson | asg: no I have syntax on in my vimrc... |
| 18:36.33 | jmoschetti45 | linux2: im gonna need a user/pass if you want me to try loading the file list |
| 18:36.37 | linux2 | Kevin`, that is possibly the issue. and since the router won't allow it |
| 18:36.42 | grendelson | and when I set to off and on nothing... |
| 18:36.42 | linux2 | then you get dissconnected |
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| 18:36.55 | Kevin` | linux2 well you'll have to fix that.. most people have to use passive mode |
| 18:37.02 | Kevin` | because they have routers that don't undertand ftp |
| 18:37.05 | theine | enouf: When I try to install kdebase-bin, I get: kdelibs4c2a: Depends: kdelibs-data (< 4:3.5.4) but 4:3.5.4-1 is installed. |
| 18:37.10 | linux2 | how do you do this? |
| 18:37.16 | asg | grendelson: what does 'update-alternatives --list vi' print? (run it as root) |
| 18:37.25 | Kevin` | I use linux as my router, and I run ftp on the router to avoid the issue entirely |
| 18:37.36 | newbie2 | xfce4 is installed now ... how can i start it? |
| 18:37.59 | asg | newbie2: check /usr/share/doc/xfce4*/README.Debian{.gz} |
| 18:38.04 | linux2 | so do i use passive mode? |
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| 18:38.11 | jmoschetti45 | linux2: passive ftp runs in the upper port range, you'll need to have your router forward the ports it uses |
| 18:38.14 | Kevin` | linux2 it's up to the client |
| 18:38.21 | enouf | theine: why not do 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' if already running unstable -- if only in etch/testing, substitute upgrade with 'dist-upgrade' |
| 18:38.23 | jmoschetti45 | check the ftpd config for the port range |
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| 18:38.40 | grendelson | sag dorry mistake in my vimrc on something else - OK I'll try that one ssec |
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| 18:38.57 | linux2 | ok it uses the upper 50000 port range |
| 18:39.11 | jmoschetti45 | you need to forward that then |
| 18:39.14 | theine | enouf: I did this, doesn't fix the dependency problem |
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| 18:40.22 | theine | enouf: So you don't get see any broken packages if you do "aptitude -f install" on your machine? |
| 18:40.24 | asg | theine: put you /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 18:40.27 | grendelson | asg, /usr/bin/nvi /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/vim.basic /usr/bin/vim.gnome (each on own line) |
| 18:40.28 | linux2 | when i connect from firefox it seems to not send requests to those high port numbers |
| 18:40.30 | newbie2 | they say that i should start startx, however, whereis startx returns an empty result |
| 18:40.47 | theine | asg: It's a one-liner: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 18:40.48 | asg | grendelson: run update-alternatives --config vi (choose vim) |
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| 18:40.52 | newbie2 | and a setup executable i can't find |
| 18:40.54 | grendelson | asg: OK |
| 18:40.54 | enouf | theine: I'm not sure then how to fix that exactly -- hmmm... I know I had issues moving from etch to sid (mainly udev/hotplug and xorg/xfree86), but many others did not |
| 18:40.58 | asg | theine: then run apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 18:41.01 | Kevin` | linux2 is using passive mode? |
| 18:41.11 | Kevin` | probably not if your right next to the server |
| 18:41.13 | asg | theine: otherwise, welcome to sid. /msg dpkg sid faq && /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:41.29 | grendelson | asg, It was already set as default :-( |
| 18:41.38 | asg | grendelson: what debian version are you running? |
| 18:42.17 | asg | grendelson: also, if you type 'vi' do you get the 'vim' message in the middle? |
| 18:42.28 | grendelson | asg : aww crappla I happen to be root right now and when I type vim file.cpp all syntax hilites work :-) Must be fubarred .vimrc or gvimrc |
| 18:42.32 | newbie2 | they say that i should start startx, however, whereis startx returns an empty result |
| 18:42.38 | theine | asg: that doesn't fix it, but thanks. I guess I should better expect this when running unstable. |
| 18:42.40 | newbie2 | and a setup executable i can't find |
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| 18:42.46 | Kevin` | newbie2 which X |
| 18:42.49 | Kevin` | does that exist? |
| 18:43.00 | asg | theine: it is to be expected during large transitions, yes. |
| 18:43.00 | newbie2 | it doesn't seem so |
| 18:43.06 | newbie2 | startx |
| 18:43.13 | newbie2 | nothing else |
| 18:43.32 | asg | newbie2: dpkg -L | grep /usr/bin/xfce |
| 18:43.35 | grendelson | asg, Thansk for helptin. I'll mv .vimrc and try from scratch! |
| 18:43.45 | asg | newbie2: wait, disregard that |
| 18:43.50 | asg | grendelson: you're welcome |
| 18:43.55 | enouf | theine: I use apt-get only, no aptitude ...sorry |
| 18:44.12 | theine | enouf: sure it's not installed? |
| 18:44.19 | Kevin` | newbie2 do you have an Xorg program (probably not if no X) |
| 18:44.29 | newbie2 | asg: package name is missing |
| 18:44.37 | enouf | theine: what's installed ? aptitude? |
| 18:44.39 | asg | newbie2: yes, that's why I said disregard that |
| 18:44.51 | theine | enouf: yes |
| 18:44.55 | newbie2 | i don't know it's a minimal installation of debian 31r2 using a netinstall cd |
| 18:45.02 | asg | newbie2: ls /usr/bin/*xfce* |
| 18:45.05 | newbie2 | plus xfce4 |
| 18:45.07 | Kevin` | minimal wouldn't include that.. |
| 18:45.17 | Kevin` | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 18:45.22 | Kevin` | as someone mentioned a while back |
| 18:45.26 | asg | newbie2: what does that return |
| 18:45.50 | grendelson | asg, Sure enough my .vimrc has grown to 100s of lines fom reading lots of tips online - when I start with no .vimrc I get hilites! I must ne overwriting somethign or have conflicting settings shucks.... |
| 18:46.02 | asg | grendelson: ouch :) |
| 18:46.27 | enouf | theine: FWIW -- 'dpkg -l kdelibs-data' says: "ii kdelibs-data 3.5.3-1 core shared data for all KDE applications |
| 18:46.27 | enouf | " |
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| 18:47.09 | asg | newbie2: basically, find whatever in /usr/bin starts xfce4, put 'exec /path/to/wtf/that/is' in ~/.xsession, type 'startx' |
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| 18:47.16 | theine | enouf: and "apt-cache policy kdelibs-data"? |
| 18:47.21 | enouf | theine: ii aptitude 0.2.15.9-2 terminal-based apt frontend |
| 18:47.26 | newbie2 | i run xfce4_setup, and an xsession file was created |
| 18:47.36 | asg | newbie2: then run startx |
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| 18:47.44 | sonicboom | hi |
| 18:47.57 | sonicboom | how do I start X properly with fluxboxÇ |
| 18:48.14 | asg | sonicboom: echo '/usr/bin/fluxbox' > ~/.xsession ; startx |
| 18:48.17 | newbie2 | but startxfce4 says starting X server and then line 34: exec: xinit: not found |
| 18:48.19 | theine | enouf: More precisely "apt-cache policy kdelibs-data | grep Candidate" |
| 18:48.24 | sonicboom | I have xorg set up and it starts fine but startfluxbox doesn't do anything |
| 18:48.30 | enouf | theine: read all about it http://pastebin.ca/105576 |
| 18:48.34 | Kevin` | newbie2 apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 18:48.36 | sonicboom | asg: as root or as user? |
| 18:48.42 | asg | newbie2: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 18:48.49 | asg | sonicboom: as a user, always |
| 18:49.03 | theine | enouf: Thanks |
| 18:49.12 | enouf | theine: Ok |
| 18:49.32 | theine | enouf: check out mine: http://pastebin.ca/105577 |
| 18:49.59 | theine | enouf: I guess I better use another mirror... |
| 18:50.58 | enouf | theine: it seems I'm behind you by one subversion ? mine==3.5.3.1, yours==3.5.4.1 ?? |
| 18:51.44 | theine | enouf: Indeed |
| 18:52.07 | enouf | theine: Notice the "pinning" assignment ? |
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| 18:52.37 | enouf | theine: My priority for unstable is 990 whereas yours is the default 500 |
| 18:52.53 | theine | enouf: I'm only using unstable |
| 18:53.24 | theine | enouf: I guess pinning shouldn't make a difference then, should it? |
| 18:53.26 | enouf | theine: You may want to examine sources.list (and/or use etc/apt/apt.conf - /etc/apt/preferences) |
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| 18:53.55 | sonicboom | fluxdude: isn't starting |
| 18:53.55 | enouf | theine: I see -- but mine is also only unstable -- lessee your sources.list |
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| 18:54.20 | sonicboom | even though I've put it in .xsession |
| 18:54.37 | theine | enouf: One-liner: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 18:54.38 | sonicboom | should't fluxbox start with startfluxbox as well? |
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| 18:55.17 | enouf | theine: Perhaps you have an old (forgotten) /preference file or apt.conf file in there |
| 18:55.29 | theine | enouf: I'll check |
| 18:56.27 | theine | enouf: Nope |
| 18:56.49 | theine | enouf: This really is a bit weird, isn't it? |
| 18:56.53 | enouf | theine: I see -- here's my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/105582 |
| 18:57.23 | enouf | theine: Not too weird -- considering you're already ahead of me via 1 subversion |
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| 18:57.54 | theine | enouf: Yes, but why am I actually ahead? |
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| 18:58.16 | enouf | theine: You should ALWAYS have atleast one for security.debian.org in sources.list |
| 18:58.37 | mitel | Does anyone in here know anything about actiontec-704? |
| 18:58.43 | theine | enouf: OK, why? |
| 18:58.52 | enouf | theine: dunno ? hmmm...I haven't run update/upgrade that recently -- perhaps I don't want a biorked system ?? hehehe |
| 18:59.24 | sonicboom | if I get X started why can't I start fluxbox? |
| 18:59.24 | theine | enouf: Oh, you haven't run "apt-get update: recently... Than that's the explanation I guess |
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| 19:00.05 | enouf | theine: Yeah -- I guess so - makes sense.... What are you trying to accomplish again via upgrading ? |
| 19:00.53 | enouf | theine: I mean -- what was wrong initially |
| 19:00.57 | theine | enouf: Nothing, I just want to be up to date |
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| 19:01.22 | Zyfo | When I do "sudo apt-get update" I get: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088. What could be the problem? I'm using Ubuntu. |
| 19:01.38 | sonicboom | RWarning: Failed to open file(/usr/share/fluxbox/nls/en_US/fluxbox.cat) |
| 19:01.38 | sonicboom | for translation, using default messages. |
| 19:01.49 | sonicboom | mmm... |
| 19:01.55 | sonicboom | when I run startfluxbox |
| 19:01.56 | enouf | theine: hmmm... If not for ""security"" patches (to libs and the kernel especially) I wouldn't worry too much about it , or file a bug and help fix the issue maybe ??(if indeed it is a bug) |
| 19:02.03 | sonicboom | and some other messages such as |
| 19:02.27 | sonicboom | RError: Couldn't connect to XServer |
| 19:03.04 | sonicboom | anyone running fluxbox? |
| 19:03.07 | theine | enouf: Yes, I'll probably just need to wait |
| 19:03.13 | jengelh | !anyone |
| 19:03.26 | enouf | theine: BTW -- I'm told "update" literally only updates the cache - an "upgrade" is necessary to complete/install the updated components |
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| 19:03.34 | theine | Zyfo: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg |
| 19:04.06 | theine | enouf: that's correct |
| 19:04.51 | enouf | theine: cool - just wanted you (and lurkers) to know, clarify |
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| 19:05.01 | anapivirtua | reboot. |
| 19:06.07 | theine | enouf: alright, thanks for taking your time |
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| 19:06.28 | enouf | theine: No prob ^_^ |
| 19:06.38 | sonicboom | dpkg-reconfigure fluxbox |
| 19:07.21 | sonicboom | fluxbox anyone? |
| 19:07.52 | jengelh | If the bot was not broekn, I'd !anyone you. |
| 19:08.14 | asg | ~anyone |
| 19:08.18 | apt | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 19:08.18 | AndyMcGee | What makes this sound-world so complicated that theres still no real nice open source solution? Is the hardware that fancy? |
| 19:08.44 | Tallu | Hmm, when I do: m-a prepare it complains that 2.6.16-2 contains uncompiled kernel source.. but there's the 2.6.16-2-k7 which are the correct linux kernel headers. It doesnt let me link to them though, for some reason. |
| 19:09.11 | asg | sonicboom: if you type 'X', do you get a cross-hatched screen with a single X cursor? (CTRL+ALT+BKSP to return to console) |
| 19:09.21 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 19:09.21 | jengelh | AndyMcGee : Like what? |
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| 19:09.47 | abrotman | how's your spell checker? |
| 19:10.24 | asg | abrotman: obviously sub-standard |
| 19:11.20 | sonicboom | asg: yes |
| 19:11.55 | asg | abrotman: you hold it between thumb and forefinger and use a gentle up and down motion |
| 19:11.56 | sonicboom | asg: I can do that as root works fine, but as user I need to add xterm in .xinitrc in order to work |
| 19:12.01 | AndyMcGee | jengelh, I just notice that getting sound hardware doing what the user expects is way more complicated than i guess it should be... |
| 19:12.11 | abrotman | asg: i know that much .. flatpicking is a bit harder :) |
| 19:12.13 | asg | sonicboom: so, 'X' doesn't work as a user? |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | i mean .. i *forgot* |
| 19:12.42 | sonicboom | asg: sorry it does |
| 19:13.00 | jengelh | AndyMcGee : I have no issues. I just modprobe snd-cs46xx and that's all. |
| 19:13.04 | sonicboom | asg: X works fine as user but startx cannot be started without xterm being in .xsession |
| 19:13.13 | asg | sonicboom: but if you put 'exec /usr/bin/fluxbox' as the *only* thing in ~/.xsession, startx doesn't work? |
| 19:13.15 | abrotman | asg: i normally finger pick on an acoustic .. which is fine .. i just found a pick .. and tried it .. no workie |
| 19:13.35 | asg | abrotman: operator error |
| 19:13.41 | abrotman | undoubtedly |
| 19:13.45 | AndyMcGee | jengelh, Yeah, ok great answer... |
| 19:13.50 | sonicboom | asg: let me see |
| 19:13.51 | jengelh | well what's more to say |
| 19:13.55 | jengelh | alsamixer does the rest |
| 19:14.35 | sonicboom | asg: I didn't see the exec |
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| 19:15.12 | abrotman | dpkg_: hi! |
| 19:15.16 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 19:15.16 | dpkg_ | hey, abrotman |
| 19:15.18 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:15.21 | asg | sonicboom: just put 'exec /usr/bin/fluxbox' as the only thing in ~/.xsession. (that's /home/<user>/.xsession, not /root/.xsession) |
| 19:15.56 | sonicboom | yeah |
| 19:16.36 | asg | sonicboom: what error do you get? |
| 19:17.37 | sonicboom | doesn't start, moreover if I don't put xterm in xinitrc startx wont't start at all. Even with exec /usr/bin/fluxbox in .xsession I only get the cross-hatched screen with an x cursor and a xterm window |
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| 19:17.57 | asg | sonicboom: remove .xinitrc, try again |
| 19:18.09 | abrotman | fios bastard! |
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| 19:19.08 | FluxLover | I? |
| 19:19.12 | abrotman | yeah you! |
| 19:19.21 | deadcat_ | whats new the last few months? |
| 19:19.23 | FluxLover | why not join the fun? |
| 19:19.33 | sonicboom | asg: MUACK¡¡¡¡ |
| 19:19.51 | abrotman | maybe .. just maybe if htey had fios in my area i'd get it |
| 19:20.02 | sonicboom | asg: ;-) |
| 19:20.20 | asg | sonicboom: it looks for .xinitrc first and then .xsession. Your edits to .xsession had no effect while .xinitrc existed. |
| 19:20.25 | stoned | hello |
| 19:20.35 | sonicboom | asg: thanks very much |
| 19:20.38 | asg | sonicboom: you're welcome |
| 19:20.40 | sonicboom | this is beautoful |
| 19:20.44 | sonicboom | beautiful |
| 19:21.21 | FluxLover | abrot.. i had to wait too :_( just wait a little longer.. you'll have your fun |
| 19:21.41 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 19:21.47 | abrotman | they already have one test market near my locale |
| 19:22.09 | FluxLover | hove you looked through www.dslreports.com |
| 19:22.16 | stoned | I can get into X as a user by typing X at the cli, but I cannot use startx because it crashes after it tries to go into X. Kdm can also get into X. Only root can get into X with startx, not any users. I changed the SecurityPolicy file around to change root to any but still no luck. Any help? |
| 19:22.34 | pipeline | stoned: Don't use startx. |
| 19:22.34 | sonicboom | which one should I install firefox or mozilla-firefox? |
| 19:22.36 | stoned | abrotman, the SecurityPolicy file you pastebin for me a few days ago, no dice with that one |
| 19:22.44 | pipeline | sonicboom: One is an alias for the other; there's no difference. |
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| 19:23.00 | Tallu | !nvidia oneliner |
| 19:23.00 | dpkg_ | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 19:23.11 | stoned | pipeline, its not a problem, I can use my desktop fine, I just want to know why this is happeneing. There is also nothing in the log file either, I can't find a single crash line/error line |
| 19:23.22 | abrotman | stoned: huh ? |
| 19:23.25 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:23.33 | asg | stoned: echo 'exec startkde' > ~/.xsession ; startx |
| 19:23.36 | Tallu | I can't get module-assistant to work for some reason. I mean, it nicely finds the kernel headers, starts to compile, just says it failed, and that's it |
| 19:23.51 | abrotman | ERRORS?!?! |
| 19:23.54 | stoned | asg, its not a matter of fixing it, its a matter of trying to find out WHY! |
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| 19:24.16 | asg | stoned: strace -o ~/trace -s 255 startx |
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| 19:24.23 | sonicboom | does debian have fasterfox? |
| 19:24.28 | asg | stoned: you might need a '-f' in there also |
| 19:24.32 | abrotman | apt-cache search faster |
| 19:24.47 | asg | !make abrotman listen to Faster Pussycat |
| 19:24.48 | cydork | sonicboom: it's a firefox extension!! |
| 19:24.58 | enouf | stoned: default display manager set ? |
| 19:25.01 | abrotman | asg: AND THERE'S NOONE HOME .. IN MY HOUSE OF PAIN |
| 19:25.10 | enouf | asg: ohnoes |
| 19:25.10 | asg | abrotman: ewww |
| 19:25.21 | abrotman | asg: it's the only one i can remember .. i was like 10 :) |
| 19:25.40 | asg | enouf: it's either that or the haggis |
| 19:26.00 | stoned | asg, no dice |
| 19:26.10 | enouf | asg: suggest some older accept and/or scorps |
| 19:26.12 | callee | why does dpkg not speak to me? |
| 19:26.19 | abrotman | try dpkg_ |
| 19:26.28 | asg | stoned: no dice? Can you be more specific |
| 19:26.40 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 19:26.40 | dpkg_ | hello |
| 19:26.41 | stoned | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. <-- only thing that resembles an error |
| 19:26.53 | callee | abrotman: doesnt work |
| 19:26.53 | deadcat_ | linux world expo next month in sf,ca,usa! |
| 19:26.55 | callee | dpkg_: 2006 key |
| 19:27.03 | asg | stoned: no, what happens when you type 'startx' |
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| 19:27.19 | callee | hm, dpkg is deaf |
| 19:27.21 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3290 |
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| 19:27.24 | callee | so is dpkg_ |
| 19:27.25 | stoned | asg, ^^ |
| 19:27.28 | asg | enouf: Uli Roth scorps? |
| 19:27.38 | enouf | asg: Yupppers |
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| 19:28.00 | abrotman | callee: /msg dpkg_ 2006 key |
| 19:28.03 | enouf | asg: Also Michael Schenker scorps |
| 19:28.08 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 19:28.09 | dpkg_ | 2006 key is probably apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 19:28.10 | asg | enouf: indeed |
| 19:28.17 | shawnrgr | Kevin`, hey man |
| 19:28.24 | shawnrgr | Kevin`, IT WORKED! ;) |
| 19:28.33 | Kevin` | :) |
| 19:28.42 | shawnrgr | im on the old comp now |
| 19:28.46 | shawnrgr | just a few issues |
| 19:28.57 | shawnrgr | you got a minute to help me out again? |
| 19:29.03 | asg | stoned: what is 'allowed_users' set to in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config? |
| 19:29.27 | stoned | anybody |
| 19:29.33 | asg | stoned: set it to console |
| 19:29.51 | stoned | if you say so |
| 19:29.56 | stoned | brb |
| 19:30.20 | shawnrgr | Kevin`, since my comp is very old, should i run apt-get upgrade? to get latest kernal and all that stuff? |
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| 19:31.45 | shawnrgr | my sources list is empty... what repositories should i have? i can't find it on debian.org |
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| 19:32.19 | stoned | ok |
| 19:32.22 | stoned | asg, no luck still |
| 19:32.39 | asg | stoned: does /dev/console exist? |
| 19:32.39 | shawnrgr | Kevin`, you there? |
| 19:32.55 | Kevin` | sorta.. so many people and things to do all of a sudden |
| 19:33.01 | shawnrgr | srry |
| 19:33.09 | stoned | asg, yes |
| 19:33.35 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: you here? |
| 19:33.41 | cydork | shawnrgr: use apt-spy |
| 19:34.06 | shawnrgr | cydork, apt-spy not found |
| 19:34.30 | enouf | stoned: If kdm is set as "default" dm, and you have it set to not allow auto-login (or the "User" verified) , you may never get x to start (auto or otherwise) are you using full KDE? if so -- see the K Control Center | System Admin | Login Manager | Users 'tab' also 'Convienence tab' |
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| 19:35.05 | stoned | enouf, no offence, don't bother though |
| 19:35.25 | stoned | enouf, next time read the problem carefully before giving a possible solution :) |
| 19:35.29 | shawnrgr | cydork, you there? apt-spy not found |
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| 19:35.46 | enouf | stoned: gotcha -- no prob ^_^ -- I can see you're trying to annoy |
| 19:36.13 | shawnrgr | enouf, can you help me with my sources.list? |
| 19:36.17 | stoned | enouf, no problem. I am just trying to tell you not to make a food of yourself |
| 19:36.31 | stoned | asg, any other ideas |
| 19:36.32 | enouf | stoned: No need to do that b0z0 |
| 19:36.55 | dabreegster | stoned: I could make myself into food? Any kind? |
| 19:36.58 | cydork | shawnrgr: use http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and select some mirrors which are near to you. |
| 19:37.13 | stoned | dabreegster, lol |
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| 19:37.35 | stoned | do I really need to correct my typo? |
| 19:37.37 | cydork | shawnrgr: man sources.list :) |
| 19:37.38 | enouf | shawnrgr: whas up ? sources.list ? |
| 19:38.05 | shawnrgr | i have no repositories in my source list. i wanna update my system but don't know which ones to add |
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| 19:38.18 | dabreegster | stoned: If you don't want to lead people to believe they have the capability of mutating into edible objects, YES |
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| 19:38.23 | sonicboom | hi |
| 19:38.23 | Drakeson | !info wacom |
| 19:38.26 | enouf | shawnrgr: What version are you using - want to use |
| 19:38.34 | sonicboom | I have the resolution way to much |
| 19:38.39 | Drakeson | !wacom |
| 19:38.39 | dpkg_ | somebody said wacom was 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
| 19:38.51 | sonicboom | I can`t even read what I am writing |
| 19:39.00 | shawnrgr | using debian sarge 3.1.r2 with blackbox |
| 19:39.25 | fholmes | I am having some issues with getting rubygems installed on Debain 3.1. I keep getting a parse error. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:39.44 | Drakeson | darn! dpkg doesn't answer me |
| 19:39.57 | Drakeson | and I prefer not to pollute the channel |
| 19:40.05 | drasko | how to start mplayer in guimode |
| 19:40.09 | asg | stoned: sorry, I don't |
| 19:40.14 | shawnrgr | gmplayer |
| 19:40.22 | enouf | shawnrgr: Ok -- hang on while I pastebin for ya |
| 19:40.25 | Drakeson | !wacom-tools |
| 19:41.06 | shawnrgr | enouf, thanks you very much |
| 19:41.40 | Tallu | !j-re |
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| 19:42.26 | enouf | shawnrgr: see http://pastebin.ca/105616 -- you may want to add a 'non-free' at the end of each line (include a blank space in between) -- but this is your preference |
| 19:43.24 | shawnrgr | thanks |
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| 19:43.49 | Tallu | !java |
| 19:43.49 | dpkg_ | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 19:43.59 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 19:43.59 | dpkg_ | [dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 19:44.02 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 19:44.03 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 19:44.11 | stoned | thank you |
| 19:44.19 | Tallu | np. |
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| 19:53.07 | sonicboom | how can I cycle the different resolutions listed in xorg |
| 19:53.42 | Drakeson | alt-ctrl+numpad+/- ? |
| 19:53.46 | stoned | alt + ctrl + +/- |
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| 19:55.48 | maladmin | can someone help me work ot what's not working? I appear to be running kernel 2.6.15-l.k7 but I cant find the source for it |
| 19:56.14 | sonicboom | my windows are very annoying I have like a virtual space on the windows |
| 19:56.23 | sonicboom | how may I disable that? |
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| 19:56.37 | shwag | why does apt-get install webalizer try to install x11-common ? |
| 19:57.05 | shwag | and laptop-detect? |
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| 19:57.59 | dabreegster | shwag: It depends indirectly on those, probably |
| 19:58.22 | shwag | dabreegster, is there like a "USE" flag to turn that off ? or a must ? |
| 19:58.24 | stoned | no it doesn't |
| 19:58.42 | stoned | !info webalizer |
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| 19:58.50 | dpkg_ | webalizer: (web server log analysis program), section web, is optional. Version: 2.01.10-30 (sid), Packaged size: 323 kB, Installed size: 1480 kB |
| 19:58.54 | stoned | shwag, which debian release? |
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| 19:59.41 | shwag | stoned: Ubuntu 6.06 LTS |
| 19:59.47 | stoned | i knew it |
| 20:00.06 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | 6.06 aint "seein" my SATA HDD |
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| 20:00.10 | shwag | :} |
| 20:00.11 | jannik | hi |
| 20:00.14 | stoned | this is #debian, duhhdudhdudhdhhduhuhuh |
| 20:00.15 | stoned | :) |
| 20:00.24 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | nybody has similair probs?? |
| 20:00.32 | shwag | yah, but the people in #ubuntu dont know anythign. |
| 20:00.33 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | i am a linux n00b:D |
| 20:00.36 | asg | th3_d4r3d3vi1: #ubuntu people do |
| 20:00.37 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | hehe |
| 20:00.40 | stoned | shwag, not our problem |
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| 20:00.46 | asg | !they don't know |
| 20:00.46 | dpkg_ | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:00.52 | sonicboom | rofl |
| 20:00.52 | shwag | debian based doesnt count, eh? shucks. |
| 20:00.59 | stoned | no it doesn't |
| 20:01.09 | sonicboom | people confuse Ubuntu with Debian?? |
| 20:01.11 | hjubal | hola |
| 20:01.18 | stoned | debian based means they use the debian packaging system, not debian packages themselves |
| 20:01.27 | maladmin | th3_d4r3d3vi1: i've had problems with sata drives before, try enabling IDE emulation in the bios |
| 20:01.30 | stoned | in a nutshell |
| 20:01.35 | Hoxzer | would it be proper thing to buy 4v year old godson a laptop with ubuntu linux? |
| 20:01.48 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | maladmin: hmm.....will try dat |
| 20:02.01 | maladmin | anyone help with my kernel problem? |
| 20:02.15 | stoned | Hoxzer, no |
| 20:02.30 | stoned | Hoxzer, it would be a good idea to buy him a laptop with windows on it |
| 20:02.38 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | hehehe |
| 20:02.43 | Ronin | stoned: heh |
| 20:02.56 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | luks like im gonna b stuck with xp for some time<sigh> |
| 20:03.01 | stoned | Hoxzer, I'm honestly not kidding. |
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| 20:03.27 | Ronin | Hoxzer: ignore stoned, put debian on it :) |
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| 20:03.55 | ktwilight | start young :) |
| 20:04.07 | stoned | :/ |
| 20:04.08 | samhob | hello all im currently installing debian using floppy and network but the interface iS VERY slow , is it normal ?? |
| 20:04.12 | stoned | Ronin, you're not cool |
| 20:04.26 | stoned | Ronin, you fuck up peoples jokes man, you need to umm. watch more comedy central |
| 20:04.28 | Ronin | never claimed to be |
| 20:04.52 | Hoxzer | stoned: :/ Linux is not that hard |
| 20:04.56 | stoned | I'm sure canadian people get that channel, otherwise its a sad sad country |
| 20:05.10 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | :) |
| 20:05.13 | Hoxzer | Actually I find it hard only because I have used winXP first |
| 20:05.15 | stoned | Hoxzer, I was going to suggest installing debian on it afterwords |
| 20:05.26 | sonicboom | is there a way to disable the extra space on Xorg? |
| 20:05.27 | Hoxzer | Yeah, but ubuntu is easier |
| 20:05.31 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | hmmmmm |
| 20:05.45 | Hoxzer | I personally prefer ubuntu on desktop :( |
| 20:05.47 | stoned | Hoxzer, if you're mind has been made up why you discussing this in #debian? |
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| 20:06.21 | th3_d4r3d3vi1 | is there any advantage for a linux n00b like me in installin ubuntu 64-bit version.....other than chances of seriously fuckin up da installation:D |
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| 20:06.34 | Hoxzer | stoned: because I have debian on my server/HTPC |
| 20:06.45 | stoned | DUDE, why the FUCK are people asking ubuntu shit in here! |
| 20:06.46 | HYPOCRISY | don't know |
| 20:06.55 | stoned | did I wake up in an alternate reality? |
| 20:06.58 | Hoxzer | stoned: :D I'm not asking anything |
| 20:07.00 | Hoxzer | just talking about it |
| 20:07.01 | stoned | parallel dimension? |
| 20:07.02 | jannik | isnt there #ubuntu ? |
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| 20:07.17 | Assid | heya |
| 20:07.24 | Hoxzer | Lol, I didn't ask anything about ubuntu I just said what do I think abotu it compared to debian |
| 20:07.28 | Assid | err.. anyone remember the name of the package for checking badblocks? |
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| 20:07.38 | Drakeson | if you study the packages they (=ubuntu) use, you can claim that they actually use debian packages, but some of the soreness (which you can feel when you mention ubuntu in #debian) comes from the feeling of free-riding |
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| 20:08.04 | stoned | Drakeson, not man enough to stand your ground after a stupid statement? |
| 20:08.06 | stoned | :/ |
| 20:08.10 | jannik | Assid: you mean fsck or how it was called? |
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| 20:10.23 | Assid | jannik: yeah sorry.. it comes with base/e2fsprogs .. my bad |
| 20:10.26 | AleXerTecH | #debian-es |
| 20:10.46 | ice_1963 | well i got linux-image-2.6.17-1-k7 and nvidia and Gnome up and running in sid :) |
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| 20:11.13 | ice_1963 | i'm happy |
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| 20:12.45 | Drakeson | some say that ubuntu works better on the desktop, I admit there has been some efforts, but some packages are easily being neglected there, unless someone really screams in launchpad (ubuntu bugzilla/...) |
| 20:13.17 | Drakeson | e.g. the linux-wacom stuff tend to be old, and bogus there |
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| 20:15.58 | lurker99 | ?? Did something happen to the non-us/testing repository schema? "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free" doesn't seem to exist any longer... |
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| 20:16.07 | SN^Vampire | hello |
| 20:16.12 | SN^Vampire | how can i change locale? |
| 20:16.17 | stoned | nonus is deprecated |
| 20:16.19 | stoned | !locales |
| 20:16.20 | dpkg_ | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 20:17.12 | lurker99 | stoned: do i just drop the nonus sources.list entry? |
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| 20:17.23 | stoned | lurker99, which debian release? |
| 20:17.34 | stoned | oh testing huh |
| 20:17.47 | stoned | lurker99, just drop |
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| 20:18.07 | lurker99 | stoned: thnx. |
| 20:18.45 | SN^Vampire | /etc/environment: LANGUAGE="ru_BY:ru_RU:ru:en_GB:en" |
| 20:18.45 | SN^Vampire | LANG=ru_RU.KOI8-R |
| 20:19.02 | SN^Vampire | but when i type "locale" i see: POSIX |
| 20:19.43 | stoned | lurker99, you can make it better/update it |
| 20:20.23 | Drakeson | lurker99: you could find that in http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US btw |
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| 20:20.58 | [blue] | Hey, uh. How do I install nvidia drivers on debian? |
| 20:21.31 | [blue] | dpkg: nvidia? |
| 20:21.31 | dpkg_ | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:22.06 | [blue] | crap. Sorry, I forgot how to make it msg me. |
| 20:22.14 | [blue] | dpkg: nvidia-graphics-drivers? |
| 20:22.14 | dpkg_ | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 20:22.15 | stoned | [blue], use /msg botname keyword |
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| 20:23.46 | Drakeson | am I barred? dpkg doesn't answer me |
| 20:23.51 | blue-- | or me =/ |
| 20:25.17 | stoned | you can use <apt> or <aptitude> or <ravenbird> |
| 20:25.22 | stoned | apt, hi |
| 20:25.22 | apt | que tal |
| 20:25.38 | stoned | /msg apt keyword |
| 20:25.43 | stoned | etc. |
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| 20:26.03 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 20:26.15 | stoned | and badgers too |
| 20:26.34 | Drakeson | stoned: thanks |
| 20:26.34 | stoned | if none of the bots reply to you, which is highly unlikely, use http://dpkg.vireo.org to search the factoids |
| 20:26.46 | sussudio | !test |
| 20:26.47 | dpkg_ | Sorry, sussudio, I didn't get your test. |
| 20:27.06 | lurker99 | !beer |
| 20:27.06 | dpkg_ | it has been said that beer is liquid gold mate |
| 20:29.21 | Drakeson | time to enlighten another ubuntu... |
| 20:29.50 | stoned | I just use the netinstall kernel/ramdisk |
| 20:29.55 | stoned | never bothered with cds |
| 20:30.10 | stoned | if a linux distro can't be installed like that, I don't bother using it or recomending it |
| 20:30.28 | Drakeson | how can I do that |
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| 20:30.35 | stoned | !d-i |
| 20:30.36 | dpkg_ | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 20:30.46 | stoned | go to other boot images, and chose netinstall |
| 20:31.02 | stoned | either from the sarge installer or from etch |
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| 20:32.11 | stoned | Drakeson, "other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)" look for this |
| 20:32.41 | SN^Vampire | !locales |
| 20:32.41 | dpkg_ | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 20:33.14 | Drakeson | stoned: I didn't get it, you mean that I can install a kernel image and boot into it without using any cds? |
| 20:33.51 | stoned | Drakeson, if you have ntldr/lilo/grub (or any other bootloader, not sure) you can use the netinstall |
| 20:34.06 | stoned | Drakeson, please read sections 4 and 5 of the debian install guide |
| 20:34.12 | stoned | !install guide |
| 20:34.13 | dpkg_ | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 20:34.14 | Drakeson | thanks |
| 20:34.32 | stoned | sure |
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| 20:43.41 | Yannik | Hello people I have a problem with the installation of Debian from the network. I have the 1st CDROM and would like to install the rest from the net. however I have a PPPoE connection and dhcp fails. Can I use the network for installing and f yes how shold I proceed? |
| 20:45.01 | dvs | Yannik: how are you connecting to the network? |
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| 20:45.58 | Yannik | dvs: I am now connecting from Mandriva Linux through PPPoE, this is a cable connection |
| 20:46.42 | dvs | Yannik: so the cable modem is connected to the computer's network card? |
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| 20:48.10 | Yannik | I do not have a modem, however there is an ethernet cable which is connected |
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| 20:49.04 | dvs | Yannik: If the ethernet cable is plugged into a network which is already connected, then you should get the netinstall CD |
| 20:49.45 | SN^Vampire | in /etc/environment i have:LANG=ru_RU.KOI8-R. But when i type in console "locale" i have "POSIX" :( |
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| 20:50.12 | SN^Vampire | "dpkg-reconfigure locales" i'v done |
| 20:50.13 | infernix | SN^Vampire: dpkg-reconfigure locales. set the default language there |
| 20:50.16 | infernix | ah |
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| 20:50.27 | shawnrgr | Kevin`, you there buddy? |
| 20:50.33 | Yannik | dvs: so you mean this was a bad idea to use the 1 cdrom? could you give me the NET address of the netinstall CD? |
| 20:50.40 | SN^Vampire | he said me that he set the default locale KOI8-R |
| 20:50.42 | dvs | !netinstall |
| 20:50.42 | dpkg_ | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 20:51.01 | infernix | SN^Vampire: you did actually select the language for generation, right? |
| 20:51.02 | SN^Vampire | but "locale" said me: "POSIX" |
| 20:51.07 | SN^Vampire | yes |
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| 20:52.28 | newbcoder | I have just updated the contents of /boot/grub/menul.st |
| 20:52.33 | newbcoder | how do I have grub reinstall from it? |
| 20:52.41 | newbcoder | i.e. I want to update it to when grub next boots up |
| 20:52.56 | newbcoder | oh, update-grub |
| 20:52.56 | newbcoder | n/m |
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| 20:52.58 | eastwood | apt-get install --reinstall grub |
| 20:52.58 | eastwood | ? |
| 20:53.05 | eastwood | i dont really get your question |
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| 20:54.08 | infernix | SN^Vampire: if i dpkg-reconfigure locales and select a new language to be generated + set it to its defaults, when I relogin, 'locale' reports the newly set language. did you relogin to the shell? |
| 20:54.16 | infernix | or perhaps reboot even? |
| 20:54.41 | SN^Vampire | yes |
| 20:54.54 | shawnrgr | Kevin`, you there buddy? |
| 20:55.02 | infernix | SN^Vampire: are you using sarge, etch or sid |
| 20:55.07 | SN^Vampire | sarge |
| 20:55.35 | Yannik | dvs: there is a strange problem. I would install etch, but the corresponding link says : the document contains no data. |
| 20:55.52 | dvs | Yannik: why are you installing etch? |
| 20:56.17 | SN^Vampire | infernix, this trouble appears when i compiled KDE3.5.3 |
| 20:56.32 | infernix | SN^Vampire: try an apt-get install --reinstall locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 20:56.55 | Yannik | dvs: I got used to it, and I like it. moreover there was a moment when only etch worked on one of my machines |
| 20:57.12 | Yannik | I mean sarge would not install |
| 20:58.05 | dvs | Yannik: the etch CD don't always work. The beta releases are the most likely ones to work. |
| 20:59.32 | shawnrgr | can anyone help... im using a usb modem but need to run "dhclient eht0" after every reboot to get the internet working. how can i avoid this>? |
| 20:59.44 | Assid | etch? i thought RC was a long way off |
| 21:00.03 | Assid | are we at feature freeze already? |
| 21:00.12 | Yannik | dvs: wait, I was tryingthe beta release, and there was no .iso image. could you check the link please? maybe i miss something |
| 21:00.14 | jannik | Yannik: what about installing sarge and upgrading? |
| 21:00.27 | dvs | !beer jannik |
| 21:01.14 | jannik | hehe thx |
| 21:01.56 | dvs | Yannik: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:02.55 | Yannik | dvs: that is the link i tried; then for the testing version it suggests another link: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ on which the netinst CD image does not exist |
| 21:03.00 | SN^Vampire | unpacking replacement locales ... |
| 21:03.02 | SN^Vampire | Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-22) ... |
| 21:03.02 | SN^Vampire | Generating locales... |
| 21:03.02 | SN^Vampire | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.02 | SN^Vampire | Generation complete. |
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| 21:03.17 | shawnrgr | can anyone help... im using a usb modem but need to run "dhclient eht0" after every reboot to get the internet working. how can i avoid this>? |
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| 21:03.40 | Yannik | but maybe sarge is a good idea, thanks, jannik |
| 21:03.40 | SN^Vampire | but it change nothing |
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| 21:03.46 | dvs | Yannik: The netinst CD is the first line of links in the link I gave you |
| 21:03.56 | Kassah | all my PHP apps keep running out of memory |
| 21:04.06 | Assid | add more memory? |
| 21:04.28 | Kassah | well... 8MB is a lot of memory |
| 21:04.28 | Assid | eheh.. just kidding.. check why your php scripts are eating so much |
| 21:04.28 | Kassah | I never had this problem before switching from Gentoo to Debian |
| 21:04.32 | ack_syn | i'll do the test, at SEPT...and i'm studyin every time to pass in that..does someone have some tip for me? |
| 21:04.48 | Kassah | well... it's standard scripts... like Cacti, MediaWiki, Gallery2 |
| 21:04.53 | Yannik | dvs: smth is wrong probably even for sarge i have the answer: no data |
| 21:05.08 | enouf | shawnrgr: man dhcpcd-bin |
| 21:05.09 | Kassah | is there any quick way to check memory usage? |
| 21:05.18 | Kassah | like by a 1 or 2 liner php script |
| 21:05.48 | shawnrgr | enouf, No manual entry for dhcpcd-bin |
| 21:06.01 | Kassah | I've also noticed a extremely noticable slow down in all the apps |
| 21:06.34 | enouf | shawnrgr: if you want - pastebin a 'before' (running dhclient) of /etc/network/interfaces and also an 'after' |
| 21:06.58 | Assid | Kassah: i think in apahe you can enable server-status |
| 21:07.08 | enouf | shawnrgr: no dhcpcd-bin? must be a sarge limitation |
| 21:07.58 | jannik | Yannik: np. its the way i made my etch |
| 21:08.07 | shawnrgr | enouf, i can tell you right now. i screwed my insterfaces file up really bad. |
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| 21:08.52 | Yannik | dvs, jannik, I am sorry, could you check the following link? my machine says there is no data: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:08.53 | enouf | shawnrgr: Ok -- lets fix it ;-) |
| 21:09.13 | jannik | ?cdimage.debian.org? dropped the connection. |
| 21:09.26 | shawnrgr | enouf, yay! |
| 21:09.28 | shawnrgr | lol |
| 21:09.29 | shawnrgr | lets |
| 21:09.31 | enouf | shawnrgr: Are you still trying to use 2 interfaces at once on one device ? |
| 21:09.37 | Kassah | Assid: what should I be looking for in that? |
| 21:09.56 | Assid | not sure.. anything that would show high memory/cpu usage |
| 21:09.59 | dvs | Yannik: Connection to host cdimage.debian.org is broken. |
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| 21:10.10 | kingsley | What's the name of the live CD based on unstable? |
| 21:10.14 | ariser | hi all. |
| 21:10.30 | shawnrgr | enouf, i want to try and set it up so i can use the same modem and access the usb & the eth. |
| 21:10.36 | Yannik | dvs, jannik, ok i will try later, many thanks |
| 21:10.40 | infernix | *CDIMAGE* is down. use google to find mirrors (google on the .iso) |
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| 21:10.43 | ozgur | hello |
| 21:10.49 | shawnrgr | enouf, but i would like to fix this interfaces file first |
| 21:11.03 | Yannik | infernix: is it down forever? |
| 21:11.12 | infernix | i dont know. |
| 21:11.18 | infernix | doubt that, but no idea why or how |
| 21:11.29 | jannik | Yannik: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:11.44 | jannik | that works for me |
| 21:11.51 | SN^Vampire | infernix, |
| 21:11.57 | enouf | shawnrgr: Ok -- perhaps you can link one PC to the other and use IPmasquerade instead |
| 21:12.15 | SN^Vampire | infernix, what can i dO? |
| 21:12.22 | shawnrgr | enouf, lol that went way over my head lol |
| 21:12.59 | enouf | shawnrgr: just google for keywords whenever tha happens ;) |
| 21:13.04 | jannik | Yannik: http://www.debian.de/CD/http-ftp/ <<otherwise... |
| 21:13.13 | infernix | SN^Vampire: i dont know. if dpkg-reconfigure locales doesnt change your defaults, I have no idea. And, if it worked before but broke after you custom compiled KDE, I guess thats where the problem is but I still wouldnt know (dont use KDE) |
| 21:13.16 | Yannik | jannik: ok I found a mirror |
| 21:13.22 | jannik | :) |
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| 21:13.43 | ariser | what is going wrong here: I connect a USB harddrive to my box (etch, 2.6.15-1) after loading some scsi-modules via modprobe dmesg says: "sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda" But there never appears a node in /dev. Do I have to make any entries in /etc/udev? |
| 21:13.56 | Kassah | Assid: well I'm quick enough I can catch it while it's trasfering |
| 21:13.58 | freeone3000 | Small question about unstable - when it says that kdelibs-data will remove pretty much all of KDE, does this mean it replaces or that it's incompatable with? |
| 21:14.03 | Yannik | many thanks people, have a nice evening |
| 21:14.09 | infernix | ariser: not in theory; is your udev up to date? |
| 21:14.12 | Assid | Kassah? |
| 21:14.23 | Kassah | Assid: but I don't see anything that reads memory |
| 21:14.38 | Kassah | Assid: just amount of transfered data |
| 21:14.50 | Kassah | 3-094731/1/1W 0.01100.20.000.00 24.20.162.108kassah.kassah.netGET /index.php/Chars/William_Danbury HTTP/1.1 |
| 21:14.52 | Assid | Kassah: hrmm.. you have extended status on? |
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| 21:14.57 | Kassah | yeah |
| 21:14.59 | ariser | infernix: hmm, by what means? Is there a tool to make updates or do you mean the package? |
| 21:15.05 | shawnrgr | enouf, as of right now im happy with just unplugging my other comp and pluging the usb in. just switch on and off. but i would like to not have to run "dhclient eth0" everytim i login |
| 21:15.06 | Kassah | SrvPIDAccMCPU SSReqConnChildSlotClientVHostRequest |
| 21:15.13 | Kassah | that's the key to the above readout |
| 21:15.13 | infernix | ariser: apt-get update |
| 21:15.21 | infernix | && upgrade |
| 21:15.36 | ariser | infernix: yes, then it s up to date. |
| 21:15.43 | enouf | shawnrgr: ok - so where's those pastebin results? |
| 21:15.54 | Kassah | Assid: wonder if it's the fact I'm using dotdeb's crap |
| 21:15.55 | Coweater | freeone3000: kdelibs-data is a fairly low level dependency of pretty much all kde apps, removing it in effect removes everything kde related |
| 21:16.03 | freeone3000 | Coweater: Not removing, updating. |
| 21:16.08 | shawnrgr | ahh ima get right on that, firefox slows me to a crawl need a lighter browser |
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| 21:16.27 | Kassah | Assid: I like having newer PHP and MySQL versions... |
| 21:16.28 | jannik | ...use fluxbox xfce etc? ;) |
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| 21:16.39 | infernix | ariser: /etc/udev/scripts/scsi-devfs.sh looks at /sys/block/sd*, can you ls -al /sys/block/sda? |
| 21:16.44 | Kassah | Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.1.4 mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 PHP/4.4.2-0.dotdeb.1 mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.4 Server at nymph.kassah.net Port 80 |
| 21:17.16 | Assid | Kassah: i normally install these frm source |
| 21:17.24 | Coweater | freeone3000: if it says it's removing things then they're going to be removed, it may also be installing newer versions of them, but it'll all be in the output |
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| 21:17.43 | Kassah | the AMP part of the LAMP stack? |
| 21:17.45 | freeone3000 | Coweater: Ah. Mmkay. Thanks... |
| 21:17.56 | ariser | infernix: yes /sys/block/sda is populated. I can see the only partition (sda1) |
| 21:18.44 | ariser | infernix: there is no directory /etc/udev/scripts! Should I have this dir? |
| 21:19.30 | Assid | Kassah: well.. the kernel is source compiled too actually |
| 21:19.32 | infernix | ariser: i have it on sarge. are you running etch or sarge? |
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| 21:19.53 | ariser | infernix: etch |
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| 21:20.05 | Kassah | wish I had the time to keep up my kernels |
| 21:20.08 | infernix | ariser: maybe try apt-get install --reinstall udev? |
| 21:20.21 | Kassah | that's why I switched to debian... lack of time to compile stuff on Gentoo |
| 21:20.32 | Kassah | what does mode K mean in the status page? |
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| 21:20.40 | ariser | infernix: I'll try... |
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| 21:21.41 | lurker99 | !testing security |
| 21:21.41 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, testing security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 21:22.23 | _fjh_ | Hello, Xorg eats my CPU. It currently produces a load of around 20-80%. How can I check what it does? |
| 21:22.33 | lurker99 | !testing security key |
| 21:22.33 | dpkg_ | i guess testing security key is ask me about <apt-key 2D230C5F> |
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| 21:23.37 | infernix | ariser: no scripts dir on my etch box. |
| 21:24.01 | lurker99 | !apt-key 2d230c5f |
| 21:24.02 | dpkg_ | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2d230c5f ; gpg --export 2d230c5f | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 21:24.32 | minerale | how can I tell what my own uid is ? |
| 21:24.51 | ariser | infernix: interesting. hotplug has been installed and got removed after reinstalling udev. |
| 21:24.58 | ariser | minerale: id |
| 21:25.08 | dvs | ariser: udev replaces hotplug |
| 21:25.26 | infernix | ariser: lsmod; are usb-storage and sd_mod both loaded? |
| 21:25.50 | ariser | infernix: yes |
| 21:25.57 | shawnrgr | enouf, pastebin.com isnt working, know a better one? |
| 21:26.02 | infernix | !paste |
| 21:26.03 | dpkg_ | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:26.16 | Assid | hey is etch in feature freeze yet? |
| 21:26.33 | ariser | dvs: but why were both of them installed until I reinstalled udev? |
| 21:26.45 | infernix | ariser: then i dont know. /etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent.rules should add the device |
| 21:27.29 | dvs | ariser: you used to be able to have both of them installed before, but not anymore (not in etch, sid) |
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| 21:28.30 | ariser | dvs: but I did install etch from scratch. No dist-upgrade. |
| 21:29.08 | dvs | ariser: yeah, etch is not going to allow hotplug and udev to be installed simultaneously |
| 21:30.44 | ariser | dvs: but again, why were those installed simultaneously if etch was not going to allow this? |
| 21:30.58 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:31.14 | dvs | ariser: etch isn't finished yet |
| 21:31.14 | infernix | ariser: did you install a 2.6 kernel from start? |
| 21:31.35 | ariser | infernix: yes. |
| 21:32.14 | infernix | ariser: well either thats a bug, or you installed it before udev completely replaced it. etch is in a changing state so thats possible |
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| 21:33.42 | shawnrgr | enouf, you there? here it is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3291 |
| 21:34.11 | ariser | infernix: Ok that sounds reasonable. I'm trying to reconnect my HD after reinstalling udev and removing hotplug. |
| 21:35.56 | TARZEAU | there's a game running at http://bub-n-bros.sf.net JOIN NOW! |
| 21:36.12 | dvs | tarzeau? right.... |
| 21:36.13 | ariser | dvs: that's been the cause of the problem, apparently. Either udev was not fully installed or hotplug stopped it from working. /dev/sda1 is now there and can be mounted. |
| 21:36.27 | TARZEAU | dvs: yes? |
| 21:36.35 | TARZEAU | dvs: right now! quick, 8 slots free |
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| 21:36.41 | shawnrgr | enouf, here it is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3291 |
| 21:36.45 | ariser | infernix: hotplug was the problem, strange, huh? |
| 21:39.32 | enouf | shawnrgr: ok |
| 21:42.40 | shawnrgr | enouf, i messed that up didnt i |
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| 21:43.15 | enouf | shawnrgr: I need a beforee and after to check for differences in /etc/network/interfaces ok ? Also - does your modem double as a router and do DHCP (likely) -- and why |
| 21:43.30 | enouf | do you have an eth1 entry |
| 21:44.06 | shawnrgr | i don't know, i coppied that from some howto for setting up usb modems |
| 21:44.15 | shawnrgr | that what it looks like before and after |
| 21:44.19 | infernix | strange. apt-get update on my etch laptop is in an infinite loop, downloading pdiffs. anyone else seeing this? it seems to be on security.debian.org |
| 21:44.20 | HYPOCRISY | no |
| 21:44.37 | shawnrgr | is there anywas that the interfaces file can be regenerated? |
| 21:44.56 | enouf | shawnrgr: which is which ? -- it's only one pastebin |
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| 21:45.16 | shawnrgr | the top is the output from ifconfig |
| 21:45.27 | shawnrgr | the second part is my interfaces file |
| 21:45.39 | enouf | I know -- but do you mean there's no changes before and after? |
| 21:45.56 | shawnrgr | correct, no change to the interface file before or after |
| 21:46.09 | shawnrgr | cause i edited it myself i guess |
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| 21:47.00 | enouf | shawnrgr: Ok -- remove the eth1 info from the file |
| 21:49.09 | enouf | shawnrgr: hmmm..you have no 'gateway' entry if indeed you're using 'static' |
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| 21:49.47 | shawnrgr | enouf, eth1 section removed |
| 21:50.19 | shawnrgr | well remeber like i said, i just copied that all from some website, |
| 21:50.24 | shawnrgr | probably not the best move |
| 21:52.15 | enouf | shawnrgr: Ok -- your eth0 is showing a Public IP addy so you're using their DHCP and DNS servers - so try this only in that file http://pastebin.ca/105740 |
| 21:52.26 | g333k | Hi, I have problems printing... I tried to print from console with "#lpr -Php2175 file.txt", but it doenst print anything, after I run #lpq, and I receive this output: "Error: loop in printcap- hp2175@gaf1.gaf -> hp2175@gaf1.gaf" |
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| 21:54.08 | shawnrgr | enouf, ok saved now what? |
| 21:54.19 | witless | hello. i have etch installed on a dell latitude cp. if i boot with the 2.6 kernel, the machine reboots instead of loading linux. any ideas? |
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| 21:54.48 | witless | if i boot with a 2.4 kernel, it starts ok. |
| 21:54.50 | g333k | witless, acpi ? |
| 21:55.06 | g333k | witless, maybe you need some boot parameter |
| 21:55.17 | enouf | shawnrgr: 'ifdown eth0' , then 'ifup eth0' |
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| 21:55.20 | witless | g333k: i don't know. i did go into the bios setup and disabled basically everything power-related |
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| 21:56.00 | shawnrgr | enouf, ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
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| 21:56.47 | g333k | witless, One time I received a kernel panic error, it was because my pc has HT enabled so I had to add "acpi=ht" to the boot parameters |
| 21:56.53 | phogg | witless: what is it doing just before the reboot? |
| 21:56.53 | marco13185 | I just installed Debian, and my connection to my network seems to fail after a while |
| 21:56.56 | marco13185 | very quickly |
| 21:57.22 | enouf | shawnrgr: whoops try it using 'sudo' (as root) -- or then try 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' |
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| 21:57.46 | witless | phogg: it goes by really quickly, but i think it gets to "booting linux" or maybe a line or two after that |
| 21:58.13 | witless | phogg: it's real early in the boot process |
| 21:58.51 | shawnrgr | enouf, says im in sudoers list, however i ran ifdown from a root terminal |
| 21:59.17 | witless | phogg: if i boot off the ubuntu livecd (note i do NOT have it installed on the laptop) it boots ok. |
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| 21:59.30 | marco13185 | I just installed Debian, and my connection to my network seems to fail after a while |
| 21:59.39 | witless | incredibly slowly (128mb 233mhz) but it boots |
| 21:59.45 | marco13185 | btw, I installed yaird instead of initramfs |
| 21:59.54 | phogg | marco13185: define "fail." |
| 22:00.00 | enouf | shawnrgr: ok - fine ...and? run as root then instead of using sudo if you like (for now) ;-) |
| 22:00.38 | marco13185 | phogg, it still appears in ifconfig, but trying to ping the router just fails |
| 22:01.10 | phogg | marco13185: ping <your own ip> works but ping <your gateway ip> does not work? |
| 22:01.12 | shawnrgr | enouf, ran /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:01.30 | marco13185 | phogg: exactly |
| 22:01.42 | phogg | marco13185: does ifdown followed by ifup fix it? |
| 22:01.55 | enouf | shawnrgr: now check out your 'ifconfig -a' |
| 22:02.08 | marco13185 | phogg: sometimes. Sometimes it gets a net IP with dhcp, other times it justs fails |
| 22:02.13 | shawnrgr | ok |
| 22:02.26 | marco13185 | phogg: is this related to choosing yaird instead of initramfs |
| 22:02.41 | phogg | marco13185: use static and see if it still happens. |
| 22:02.42 | shawnrgr | enouf, ok, what should it say? |
| 22:02.54 | phogg | marco13185: why do you suspect that? |
| 22:03.10 | marco13185 | phogg: I don't know. But during the install, if I chose initramfs, it'd always fail |
| 22:03.12 | enouf | shawnrgr : same as your pastebin |
| 22:03.24 | marco13185 | This is using the Etch netinst and using the "expert" code and installing sid |
| 22:03.48 | enouf | shawnrgr : for 'ifconfig' that is |
| 22:04.33 | shawnrgr | yea looks like it: http://pastebin.ca/105753 |
| 22:04.38 | marco13185 | phogg: taking out the cable and putting it back in seems to help O.o |
| 22:04.42 | phogg | marco13185: Have you had Linux networking working on the same card prior to this? |
| 22:04.59 | marco13185 | phogg: yes, in Debian Sid before, and in Gentoo |
| 22:05.04 | marco13185 | always without a problem |
| 22:05.11 | shawnrgr | enouf, or http://pastebin.ca/raw/105753 |
| 22:05.34 | shawnrgr | enouf, that look good? |
| 22:05.47 | marco13185 | phogg: see, my net started working when I did "ifup" and took and cable in and out |
| 22:05.52 | phogg | marco13185: may I presume that nothing interesting shows up in a log file (e.g. kern.log) at around the time the link goes down? |
| 22:06.04 | marco13185 | where would I find that file ? |
| 22:06.08 | enouf | shawnrgr : great ...I see TX and RX which means you are using it -- just double check with a reboot |
| 22:06.21 | shawnrgr | oh boy.. here goes. |
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| 22:06.31 | shawnrgr | enouf, should it start up by itself? |
| 22:06.49 | enouf | crosses fingers ;) |
| 22:06.53 | phogg | marco13185: /var/log/ (where all log files go) |
| 22:07.00 | marco13185 | phogg: okay, the log says "tulip_stop_rxtx() failed" |
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| 22:07.08 | shawnrgr | ok i'll be back. its an old comp so give me a minute or two lol |
| 22:07.38 | marco13185 | phogg: and then "last message repeated 26/26/14 times" (same message thrice with different nums) |
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| 22:08.17 | phogg | marco13185: I would suspect, in no particular order, a bad card, cable or driver. What kernel are you using? |
| 22:08.33 | marco13185 | 2.6.17 |
| 22:09.11 | marco13185 | phogg: I know I had to use dmfe in Gentoo. But I'm trying to use dmfe here and it won't work |
| 22:09.33 | marco13185 | It won't detect the device if I unload tulip and load dmfe |
| 22:09.58 | phogg | marco13185: I have no idea what dmfe is. But I do strongly suspect that it is a driver problem |
| 22:10.09 | useename | hello all; I'm trying to install from the latest daily Debian AMD64 netinst CD and both grub and LILO fail because I want / to be XFS |
| 22:10.46 | phogg | marco13185: you could try switching to an older 2.6 kernel, especially if you know a specific older version worked under gentoo. |
| 22:11.04 | marco13185 | phogg: I would, but I don't have internet on the Debian machine |
| 22:11.04 | useename | in fact, the machine locked up completely |
| 22:11.05 | marco13185 | :/ |
| 22:11.45 | phogg | useename: use a small ext2 /boot |
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| 22:12.51 | phogg | marco13185: your netinst worked, didn't it? |
| 22:12.56 | marco13185 | yes |
| 22:13.09 | phogg | marco13185: then how is it you don't have an internet connection? |
| 22:13.18 | marco13185 | well, I have a connection, it just doesn't work ;) |
| 22:13.26 | marco13185 | I'd have to burn the debs for the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:13.35 | marco13185 | or try and download it intermitently |
| 22:13.46 | phogg | marco13185: wget -c is your friend. |
| 22:13.58 | phogg | marco13185: or we could just figure out what the netinst disc used that worked, |
| 22:14.09 | useename | phogg: is there no other way? |
| 22:14.22 | useename | i mean, i'll try it, but it'd be nice to not have to |
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| 22:14.27 | phogg | useename: no idea. Just a workaround |
| 22:14.39 | shawnrgr | enouf, yay! |
| 22:14.45 | shawnrgr | enouf, thanks a bunch |
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| 22:15.08 | enouf | shawnrgr: you da man ^_^ |
| 22:15.19 | shawnrgr | enouf, no, you da man ;) |
| 22:15.23 | shawnrgr | lol |
| 22:15.38 | enouf | hehehe :-) |
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| 22:16.00 | marco13185 | phogg: what do you recommend? |
| 22:16.01 | shawnrgr | enouf, ok. now what happens if i shut everything off. plug my other comp in the eth jack. boot it up. they try to boot this up. will i be able to get both working? |
| 22:17.15 | marco13185 | phogg: I think I'm just going to download an older kernel |
| 22:17.15 | marco13185 | and burn it |
| 22:17.19 | phogg | marco13185: boot off the netinst and let it detect your hardware. After it has, switch to the terminal and see what kernel version is running and what modules it has loaded. |
| 22:17.26 | enouf | shawnrgr -- as long as you don't mess with the internal Modem/router settings you should be Ok -- wanna know more -- lok at your /etc/resolv.conf file to note your Comcasts's DNS servers, in case you ever need to manually enter them in again ;-) |
| 22:17.55 | g333k | Hi, I try to print a test page from cups but I receive this error: "Quota limit reached.", any idea? |
| 22:18.58 | shawnrgr | enouf, thanks i will give it a try and let ya know |
| 22:19.44 | enouf | shawnrgr: Oh sorry - I misunderstood you -- I thought you meant will those settings "stay" -- but I wouldn't count on getting BOTH going at the same time over different interfaces (usb and ethernet) |
| 22:20.01 | shawnrgr | errr |
| 22:20.04 | shawnrgr | lol |
| 22:20.21 | shawnrgr | there has to be a way. ima call linksys cust support and bitch |
| 22:20.22 | shawnrgr | lol |
| 22:20.45 | marco13185 | phogg: I can't find the older kernel images in the repos |
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| 22:21.34 | shawnrgr | enouf, im using multi gnome terminal under blackbox, and its slow a retarted. know a better one? |
| 22:21.51 | linux2 | can someone help me with proftpd |
| 22:21.58 | phogg | marco13185: kernel-image-$version or linux-image-$version for newer stuff. |
| 22:22.07 | linux2 | it seems to not want to listen to the options i am putting in the config file |
| 22:22.09 | linux2 | 18:43:57.506837 IP 192.168.1.155.ftp > c-66-30-177-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net.47265: . ack 104 win 5792 <nop,nop,timestamp 201011337 332647527> |
| 22:22.14 | linux2 | it is running in passive mode |
| 22:22.27 | linux2 | and i set the ports it should listen to as 50000-60000 |
| 22:22.42 | linux2 | PassivePorts 50000 60000 |
| 22:22.54 | linux2 | not it ignores this as you can see from the post above |
| 22:22.57 | enouf | shawnrgr : AFAIK You're not going to be able to use usb for 1pc and ethernet for another 2pc, and have them both work at the same time -- your issue appears to be the ISP opnly doling out a 255.255.255.255 mask - which means 1pc (but CAN mesan many behind it == IP_Masquerading) -- For ex, My ISP issues 255.255.240.0 for it's netmask |
| 22:23.17 | linux2 | that it its trying to connect to 47265 |
| 22:23.21 | linux2 | how do i fix this |
| 22:23.29 | shawnrgr | k |
| 22:23.45 | shawnrgr | i guess i will just have to wait to get some dif hardware |
| 22:23.48 | shawnrgr | enouf, im using multi gnome terminal under blackbox, and its slow a retarted. know a better one? |
| 22:24.23 | enouf | shawnrgr: which allows for up to 25 or somesuch nodes... Um...you mean a faster terminal app like xterm ? |
| 22:24.46 | shawnrgr | yup |
| 22:24.47 | shawnrgr | thanks |
| 22:25.03 | marco13185 | xfce-terminal might be a bit faster than the gnome version |
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| 22:25.18 | shawnrgr | xfce faster than xterm? |
| 22:26.10 | Thunderguy | What's it mean when you try to print a file and it says " Can't open pipe to process? " |
| 22:26.11 | enouf | shawnrgr: hmmm ...not sure - I use konsole mostly, but will dive into tty whenever necessary for speed ;-) |
| 22:26.37 | enouf | shawnrgr: see that? others can help you too ;-) |
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| 22:26.45 | shawnrgr | k |
| 22:26.46 | enouf | Gotta take a break /bye |
| 22:26.54 | shawnrgr | eno, well thanks a bunch |
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| 22:27.31 | Kami_Cat | Ello everyone! |
| 22:28.10 | grendelson | I'm setting up apache php etc for first time on debian testing (apache2) and following an online tutorial http://www.aboutdebian.com/internet.htm However now everythign seems to be in apache2.conf and httpd.conf is empty. THe examples have ServerAdmin adn DocumentRoot in httpd.conf but I cant find these in apache2.conf. Is there a more recetn newbie doc? |
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| 22:29.22 | calmar | hi all, e.g. debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso is the way to install debian with a fast internet, is this correct? |
| 22:29.49 | linux2 | can someone here please help me with proftpd. it seems to be ignoring my settings. i am setting it up so that PassivePorts 50000 60000 but it doesn't seem to listen to this setting and trys to send a transfer through.... 18:43:57.506837 IP 192.168.1.155.ftp > c-66-30-177-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net.47265: . ack 104 win 5792 <nop,nop,timestamp 201011337 332647527> which is port 47265. This does not make sense and i do not want to have to forwa |
| 22:29.49 | linux2 | rd all of my ports to get this to work. Multiple fourms have suggested the same thing as that add the passive ports option but this has not worked at all. i am wondering if i am placing it in the wrong location in my configuration and it is being ignored or what is going on. any help is appreceated |
| 22:29.57 | Kami_Cat | looks like it, net inst seems to be the abbr. for Net Installation. though, I haven't read any of it. =P |
| 22:30.30 | calmar | Kami_Cat: yeah, ok, thanks |
| 22:30.36 | Kami_Cat | Calmar: Np |
| 22:32.21 | Kami_Cat | I was wondering all, i'm sure this has been discussed before (But hey, I wasn't around). Is it possible to run a... Possible PC emulator to run a debian distrobution within the Windows OS. |
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| 22:32.44 | Kami_Cat | Using dual monitors, of course. |
| 22:33.42 | Guerin | !possible |
| 22:33.43 | dpkg_ | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 22:34.05 | Guerin | not sure why you'd bother, though |
| 22:34.21 | Guerin | all the slowness and instability of windows with your *n?x |
| 22:34.31 | Kami_Cat | It'd be interesting, to say the least. |
| 22:34.35 | Guerin | well |
| 22:34.38 | Guerin | it's not really |
| 22:34.51 | Guerin | there are a bunch of tools to do it, like colinux and vmware |
| 22:34.58 | Guerin | but you don't really gain much from it |
| 22:35.03 | Kami_Cat | And surprisingly, my windows is a lot more stable than other windows. |
| 22:35.14 | Guerin | unless you need to run proprietary windows apps alongside free software |
| 22:35.18 | Kami_Cat | Haven't had a crash for 2 years. o_o |
| 22:35.18 | Guerin | sure |
| 22:35.22 | Guerin | you have the special windows |
| 22:35.29 | Guerin | which never crashes or does stupid things |
| 22:35.35 | Kami_Cat | Nope, it does stupid things |
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| 22:35.56 | Guerin | i've just recently had to use winxp sp2 again, and the damn thing BSODs every couple days |
| 22:36.05 | Kami_Cat | Owch... BSOD sucks |
| 22:36.07 | Guerin | clean install from IBM's recovery bullshite |
| 22:36.15 | Kami_Cat | You sure it's not a hardware issue? |
| 22:36.22 | Kami_Cat | Heat is a common problem |
| 22:36.30 | Guerin | laptop functions fine otherwise, including under debian |
| 22:36.37 | Guerin | i don't use it for much |
| 22:36.42 | Guerin | just smurfing the web, etc. |
| 22:36.47 | Guerin | it mostly bsods when idle |
| 22:36.58 | Kami_Cat | Could be the screensaver too |
| 22:37.04 | Guerin | wtf |
| 22:37.05 | Kami_Cat | That's why I took mine off, for some reason.. |
| 22:37.12 | Kami_Cat | It would freeze on screensaver. >_>; |
| 22:37.15 | Guerin | starfield can bsod a machine? |
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| 22:37.22 | Kami_Cat | It was the MAtrix Screensaver |
| 22:37.23 | Kami_Cat | XD |
| 22:37.25 | Guerin | that's reason itself not to use windows |
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| 22:37.46 | Thunderguy | Gah, I need some help, I got a package that is being held back, but apt-get autoclean seems to have removed the version I have installed from the repository |
| 22:37.47 | lemac | hi to everybody |
| 22:37.50 | Kami_Cat | Ello |
| 22:37.54 | xmpp_ | When do you expect Debian 'Etch' beta 3 to be released? |
| 22:37.58 | xmpp_ | Will it feature X.Org instead of XFree86? |
| 22:38.03 | Guerin | Thunderguy: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 22:38.16 | Guerin | xmpp_: we expect it to be released when it's ready, and yes. |
| 22:38.18 | lemac | what's better for a notebook "stable" or "testing" ? |
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| 22:38.36 | Guerin | lemac: depends. Probably testing, if it's a new notebook. |
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| 22:38.53 | lemac | yes it is |
| 22:39.02 | Thunderguy | Guerin: Right but what can I do to make apt-get not remove packages I have installed during autoclean? |
| 22:39.20 | Thunderguy | Guerin: because they are held back for some reason |
| 22:39.20 | Guerin | don't run autoclean |
| 22:39.42 | Thunderguy | Guerin: alright, well can I throw the files back into /var/apt/cache and they should work alright? |
| 22:39.48 | Guerin | sure thing |
| 22:39.51 | Thunderguy | k |
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| 22:40.07 | Guerin | Thunderguy: bear in mind that if you have stuff pinned, it may get another version from the webs anyway |
| 22:40.11 | Thunderguy | Guerin: Do you know how I can make it so that no packages are held back? |
| 22:40.18 | Guerin | !held back |
| 22:40.18 | dpkg_ | methinks kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 22:40.29 | Thunderguy | Guerin: I've got the same computer as mine without internet, I'm apt-getting for two |
| 22:40.36 | Guerin | oh |
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| 22:42.51 | useename | linux2: are you forcing the FTP daemon to re-read the config file? |
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| 22:49.42 | cds | How do I convert .sit fonts? |
| 22:50.35 | Guerin | cds: using google |
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| 22:50.58 | cds | I found a page that mentions tlunmac, but tlutils doesn't seem to be in apt? |
| 22:52.05 | cds | Ooh, t1... |
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| 22:52.59 | grendelson | I seem to be making some progres - I made a short php file that display phpinfo and it works from my apache2 install. It states taht the php.ini in use is /etc/php4/apache/php.ini so I added extension=mysql.so to that but I still get an error that the mysql module is not loaded - what am I missing? (Do I have to do something withteh new load module layout of apache2? |
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| 22:53.33 | Guerin | grendelson: $php or #mysql |
| 22:53.46 | linux2 | useename, yes i am |
| 22:53.46 | Guerin | #php, i mean |
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| 22:54.05 | Guerin | grendelson: if nobody in there can help, lurk in here, but it's not strictly ontopic |
| 22:54.24 | grendelson | Guerin : It seems like a debian specific install - I used all the packages from debian testing but it is still not "working" so I figured it was debian specific config issue.... |
| 22:54.26 | cds | Guerin: Google isn't helping. |
| 22:54.28 | cds | Guerin: Can you? |
| 22:54.43 | Guerin | cds: nope. I'd just have to google. |
| 22:54.51 | Guerin | cds: you could try the font howto on tldp.org |
| 22:55.08 | singamayya` | i can't get "xmlto pdf" to work for exporting docbook to PDF. passivetex keeps complaining.. anybody got this to work? |
| 22:55.13 | cds | Can that unpack fonts? :) |
| 22:55.15 | Guerin | grendelson: it is, but the key here is to fins out why the plugin isn't loading, and that's generic |
| 22:55.38 | grendelson | Guerin, Half the trouble is that the srage tutorial assumes things like an httpd.conf but that file has gone the way of the dodo in debian testing (apache2) |
| 22:56.04 | Guerin | grendelson: it's a mystery why you're using testing for a webserver anyway |
| 22:56.21 | Guerin | grendelson: but there's also a lot of information on how to convert apache1 to apache2 configs |
| 22:56.32 | grendelson | Guerin, I did assume tha merely installing php-mysql would make it automagically work. However /use/share/doc/apache2/ doesn't really ahve any info on what has to be done to make it allwork... :-( |
| 22:56.59 | grendelson | Guerin, Websrever for my own personal use anywho. things like web enabled dbservices... |
| 22:57.07 | Guerin | grendelson: I still use apache 1.3 and that still does work magically for me. |
| 22:57.13 | Guerin | man, you type fast |
| 22:57.28 | grendelson | Guerin, Only 2 fingers typing too (never learned to touch type) |
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| 22:57.45 | Guerin | you were a court stenographer in a former life |
| 22:57.51 | grendelson | hahaahha |
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| 22:58.10 | Kami_Cat | Wonderful, so we have superman at the keys? |
| 22:58.17 | Guerin | ah, it;s good to have a $1.50 stereo |
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| 22:59.08 | g333k | Hi, why when I try to print a test page from cups I receive this output: "Quota limit reached." but with my another printer it works good ? |
| 22:59.14 | cds | Guerin: I want to use a .sit, not a .sit.bin |
| 22:59.30 | marco13185 | My internet keeps intermitently working |
| 22:59.36 | Guerin | cds: i know *nothing* specific about this at all |
| 22:59.39 | marco13185 | it stops working like afte ra minute |
| 22:59.42 | marco13185 | :( |
| 22:59.42 | Guerin | marco13185: call your ISP |
| 22:59.47 | cds | Guerin: You were the one who offered help first..? |
| 22:59.52 | singamayya` | docbook anyone? |
| 22:59.59 | marco13185 | Guerin: no, bad wording. I meant networking in Debian |
| 23:00.00 | Guerin | cds: i offered information on how to help yourself |
| 23:00.11 | cds | Guerin: I already tried that :) |
| 23:00.22 | Guerin | singamayya`: there's an extremely good docbook xml howto on the web. |
| 23:00.34 | Kami_Cat | Guerin, is colinux specifically knoppix? |
| 23:00.39 | Guerin | Kami_Cat: no idea. |
| 23:00.40 | Kami_Cat | Or is it compatible with debian? |
| 23:00.43 | Kami_Cat | Aight |
| 23:00.56 | marco13185 | Kami_Cat: colinux is compatible with any linux |
| 23:01.03 | Kami_Cat | Marco, Thank you |
| 23:01.07 | marco13185 | afaik, only the kernel is different |
| 23:01.15 | singamayya` | Guerin: i think i'm missing some debian pkgs for docbook -> PDF conversion |
| 23:01.23 | Kami_Cat | is there any problems with the different kernal? |
| 23:01.31 | Kami_Cat | Or any mutated side effects? |
| 23:01.37 | marco13185 | Kami_Cat: I don't know, I've never used it |
| 23:02.02 | marco13185 | I can't figure out why my net dies so quickly |
| 23:02.02 | Kami_Cat | marco13185: Why is my name Kami_Cat?... |
| 23:02.31 | marco13185 | Kami_Cat: ... |
| 23:02.32 | Kami_Cat | Oh yeah... I set it like 3 months ago, and forgot it... o_o |
| 23:02.57 | marco13185 | It's almost as if my router is kicking my Debian machine off |
| 23:02.58 | marco13185 | O.o |
| 23:03.16 | Kami_Cat_ | Evil... |
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| 23:03.55 | Kami_Cat_ | Oh well. |
| 23:03.58 | grendal_prime | ok what exactly is wrong with this.... |
| 23:04.02 | grendal_prime | /dev/sda1 /media/floppy auto user,noauto 0 0 |
| 23:05.01 | Guerin | singamayya`: which ones? |
| 23:05.23 | Guerin | singamayya`: i always found * -> pdf conversion to be *useless* |
| 23:05.50 | marco13185 | ughh, kernel panic :( |
| 23:06.16 | Guerin | marco13185: sounds like bad hardware |
| 23:06.26 | Guerin | marco13185: try another nic, or something |
| 23:06.28 | marco13185 | Guerin: it's worked perfectly in Debian before |
| 23:06.31 | marco13185 | and in Gentoo |
| 23:06.36 | Guerin | hardware degrades over time |
| 23:06.40 | marco13185 | tulip just crashed |
| 23:06.48 | marco13185 | Guerin: I mean that it was working this morning, and it worked for the net install |
| 23:06.57 | Guerin | has time passed since then? |
| 23:06.59 | grendal_prime | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
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| 23:07.12 | marco13185 | Guerin: it stopped working as soon as I booted into my new system |
| 23:07.18 | singamayya` | Guerin: it's being done by passivetex. xmlto pdf my_documentation.xml |
| 23:07.29 | Guerin | marco13185: ok. |
| 23:07.40 | marco13185 | It looks like a tulip problem |
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| 23:07.47 | grendal_prime | does this basically mean that the floppy is bad? |
| 23:08.02 | Guerin | marco13185: try fucking with mii settings. I don't know that specific nic, so I can't give you much help other than try another kernel, etc. |
| 23:08.07 | Guerin | grendal_prime: no. |
| 23:08.18 | Guerin | grendal_prime: it means there's no partition there |
| 23:08.21 | Guerin | or similar |
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| 23:08.23 | marco13185 | Guerin: ya, I wish I had backed up my Gentoo kernel before :/ |
| 23:08.31 | Thunderguy | Hey i put another repository in my sources.list and decided to remove it, is it possible to figure out all the files it downloaded from one repository and remove them or fallback to files in the main debian one? |
| 23:08.41 | marco13185 | Guerin: also, I've tried two kernels already |
| 23:08.47 | Guerin | Thunderguy: anything's possible, but it's Very Not Easy |
| 23:08.54 | Guerin | marco13185: hm, ok. |
| 23:09.22 | marco13185 | I'm gonna try and configure the network manually |
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| 23:09.36 | Guerin | Thunderguy: i wrote a script using awk to do it using the output of apt-cache policy and such to do it, once. |
| 23:10.15 | plb | hrm when I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg on unstable..it doesn't write a config file |
| 23:10.38 | Guerin | is there a config file in place already? |
| 23:10.41 | plb | nope |
| 23:10.56 | marco13185 | plb: make sure there's no config there already |
| 23:11.01 | plb | theres not |
| 23:11.05 | Guerin | i think he just did |
| 23:11.33 | Guerin | they changed all the handling of this stuff a couple months ago, so I don't know how it works nowadays |
| 23:11.33 | marco13185 | well, I've concluded that tulip is what's crashing |
| 23:11.44 | Guerin | marco13185: the kernel module? |
| 23:11.47 | marco13185 | ya |
| 23:11.54 | plb | dunno why they got rid of xorgconfig =\ |
| 23:12.03 | Guerin | those are common cards, there should be something on lkml or such if it's a known issue |
| 23:12.22 | Guerin | plb: because debian already has a good way of making config files |
| 23:12.33 | Guerin | plb: you can still try X --config |
| 23:12.35 | marco13185 | Guerin: when you select an older kernel, it uses the older modules right? |
| 23:12.39 | Guerin | or whatever the exact syntax is |
| 23:12.44 | plb | 1 mo brb |
| 23:12.49 | Guerin | marco13185: yes, modules are 100% non-transferable |
| 23:13.24 | marco13185 | If I take down tulip and put it back up it'll sometimes cause kernel panic |
| 23:13.25 | marco13185 | O.o |
| 23:13.30 | Guerin | yay |
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| 23:22.13 | marco13185 | I keep getting this error in dmesg "tulip_stop_rxtx() failed" |
| 23:23.59 | Guerin | try mii-tool to fuck with some settings |
| 23:24.08 | Guerin | maye change mtu or something |
| 23:24.35 | Guerin | don't suppose you have another *n?x you can get some working settings from? |
| 23:24.36 | Kami_Cat_ | Guerin: Colinux Supports Fedora, Knoppix, and Debian based builds |
| 23:24.44 | marco13185 | "eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD. link ok" |
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| 23:25.15 | themdg | anyone know what I can use to see how much ram is installed in my machine? |
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| 23:30.31 | mbishop | Is kdebase broken in unstable? |
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| 23:31.30 | Guerin | probably |
| 23:31.41 | Guerin | !bts |
| 23:31.42 | dpkg_ | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 23:33.27 | ice_1963 | hello |
| 23:33.34 | killown | !dpkg apt-gek |
| 23:34.01 | MrNaz | how would i tell if my ram is DDR or DDR2 from a command line? |
| 23:35.12 | ice_1963 | what do i need from sid's sources.list to install my nvidia driver in etch? |
| 23:35.27 | ice_1963 | pl |
| 23:37.23 | ice_1963 | ok that will do |
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| 23:44.35 | Thunderguy | Is .tgz a tar gzipped file, or a slackware package? o_o |
| 23:44.56 | cds | The former. |
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| 23:46.05 | Thunderguy | So a slackware package file is basically in the tar.gz format? |
| 23:48.29 | blondie | Thunderguy: who knows :P |
| 23:49.18 | killown | Thunderguy slackware package gz file |
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| 23:55.30 | k-man | whats a good program for managing my audio collection? |
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| 23:55.53 | cooner750 | I cannot seem to download the Debian NetInst image!? |
| 23:55.55 | cooner750 | Server not found? |
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| 23:56.31 | ProN00b | i heard of a gentoo feature called --depclean that removes unused dependencys, does apt have something like that too ? |
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| 23:56.47 | asg | ProN00b: deborphan, debfoster |
| 23:56.59 | asg | ProN00b: if you use aptitude, it has that built in. |
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| 23:57.32 | cooner750 | anyone know where I can get the i386 Netinst image? |
| 23:57.45 | k-man | ProN00b, wajig also has such a facility i believe |
| 23:58.35 | useename | ProN00b, I think it's really not something you should worry about, unless it's a machine that's been migrated through different releases |
| 23:58.40 | cooner750 | Is netinst-i386_debian-r31r1a.iso the latest Netinst image? |
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| 23:59.15 | useename | latest: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:59.20 | ProN00b | asg, how can i do it with aptitude =? |
