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| 00:02.03 | planetsim | are there any guides on software raid 0, ive set the raid 0 in the bios except the debian netinst sees it as two disks and asks me to partition them as separate drives. |
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| 00:07.52 | mae | is there a unix command that does the equivalent of replacing a password field in /etc/shadow with '*' or '!' |
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| 00:09.45 | linux2 | how come when xorg starts up it doesn't have that default blue background? |
| 00:09.48 | linux2 | how do i set that? |
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| 00:10.27 | xsdg | linux2: xsetbg? |
| 00:10.45 | xsdg | linux2: the default background is typically the black and white stipple thingie |
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| 00:11.07 | linux2 | xsdg, o mine is black |
| 00:11.13 | linux2 | xsdg, don't know why |
| 00:11.15 | pinky | Hi, where can I get a .deb for the latest version of WINE for Debian? |
| 00:11.20 | linux2 | xsdg, will that set it forever? |
| 00:11.38 | linux2 | pinky, try the unstable repository |
| 00:11.39 | xsdg | linux2: no |
| 00:11.52 | xsdg | linux2: what desktop environment do you use? (alternately, what window manager?) |
| 00:11.58 | linux2 | xsdg, kdm |
| 00:12.25 | xsdg | linux2: you should be able to control it from the control panel or whatever it is that kde has |
| 00:12.37 | pinky | linux2: sid has the same version etch has |
| 00:13.08 | pinky | http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wine.html |
| 00:13.10 | linux2 | pinky, use unstable. that usually has the latest (unstable is no etch just so you know) |
| 00:13.30 | pinky | I'm trying to say unstable has 0.9.15, which is the same version that testing has. |
| 00:13.48 | linux2 | ahh ok |
| 00:13.48 | pinky | I'm wondering if a third-party has packaged the latest WINE 0.9.18 for Debian. |
| 00:13.54 | linux2 | just search google for it |
| 00:13.57 | linux2 | it should show up |
| 00:14.00 | linux2 | that is what i usually do |
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| 00:14.04 | linux2 | or use ubuntu packages |
| 00:14.05 | pinky | Hmm, didn't have any luck |
| 00:14.05 | xsdg | pinky: qa usually means that the package is unmaintained |
| 00:14.36 | pinky | xsdg: This is WINE we're talking about. sid has an out-of-date version by three version numbers |
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| 00:15.09 | xsdg | dpkg_: info wine sid |
| 00:15.34 | xsdg | apt: info wine sid |
| 00:15.51 | pinky | linux2: I can use the Ubuntu packages from here?: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb |
| 00:16.03 | pinky | They say those .debs are for Debian-based distros |
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| 00:16.15 | pinky | But the repos are only for dapper/breezy. |
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| 00:16.40 | linux2 | pinky, i run an ubuntu kernel on my laptop (for acpi issues) and it runs fine |
| 00:16.56 | xsdg | apt: maint wine |
| 00:17.22 | linux2 | pinky, may i just recommend cedega? |
| 00:17.23 | xsdg | pinky: send mail to ^^^ |
| 00:17.36 | xsdg | pinky: you may want to check the bugs.debian.org first, though |
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| 00:25.06 | jmd | Is there an environment variable or something I can set to change the default priority? |
| 00:25.38 | xsdg | jmd: priority for what? |
| 00:26.47 | jmd | xsdg, Scheduling. The NICE value. |
| 00:27.05 | peterS | type 'nice -10 bash' |
| 00:27.55 | jmd | What about things started from X ? |
| 00:27.59 | xsdg | jmd: ::nods at peterS:: yeah, priority is inherited. |
| 00:28.30 | peterS | jmd: I'd use 'renice n $$' in .xsession, probably |
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| 00:28.44 | xsdg | jmd: basically, you set the priority of whatever is starting things; beyond that, though, not that I know of |
| 00:29.15 | xsdg | jmd: it might be possible to get your shell to run everything through nice or something like that |
| 00:29.23 | jmd | OK. Thanks. I'll try a few different things based on your suggestions. |
| 00:29.52 | slapplp | is there a dvd install disc somewhere |
| 00:29.53 | Thunderguy | What kinda clock managment does Debian have? it seems like the clock is always changing times, every few hours it changes time to like a different time =/ |
| 00:30.16 | Thunderguy | so I got files that are in the future |
| 00:30.43 | jmd | Thunderguy, the best way is to use ntp. |
| 00:31.05 | Thunderguy | jmd: But is there anything I need to uninstall? I can't figure out right now what keeps changing the clock |
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| 00:31.28 | jmd | Clocks by their very nature are continually changing. |
| 00:31.56 | slapplp | where can i d/l debian |
| 00:31.59 | peterS | Thunderguy: if you have 'ntp-simple' installed and don't want it, remove it |
| 00:31.59 | Thunderguy | jmd: Well it says 4 AM right now, but in a few hours when it should say 6 AM, it's gonna say 11 PM, I don't know why it even changes |
| 00:31.59 | fholmes | How can I find out what firewall is installed on my system? |
| 00:32.11 | Thunderguy | I have whatever came with Debian testing |
| 00:32.15 | peterS | slapplp: about two clicks away from google "debian download" |
| 00:32.19 | lunitik | slapplp: www.debian.org/stable/debian-installer |
| 00:32.37 | slapplp | ty |
| 00:32.52 | slapplp | 404 not found |
| 00:32.54 | jmd | Thunderguy, that's bizarre! Without rebooting? |
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| 00:33.37 | Thunderguy | jmd: without rebooting, I have no idea I know the hwclock was always set to the right time, It must be a time server issue, but since ntp doesn't exist, I don't know what it's using |
| 00:33.45 | fholmes | Ok better yet, I am trying to ping localhost and it is telling me the Destination Port Unreachable. A program I am trying to install is failing because it cannot ping the localhost. |
| 00:33.55 | lunitik | slapplp: eh... I was thinking of the etch image... |
| 00:34.32 | slapplp | i find it |
| 00:34.36 | lunitik | slapplp: I'm not sure Debian is for you if you can't figure out how to download it though :/ |
| 00:34.42 | jmd | Thunderguy, Maybe you should remove ntp. Perhaps its syncing to a bad server. |
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| 00:34.45 | slapplp | i no how to d/l |
| 00:35.01 | slapplp | just asking where |
| 00:35.06 | jmd | Thunderguy, You are looking at UTC ? |
| 00:35.12 | Thunderguy | jmd: Ntp isn't even installed, I wanna install NTP for my clock, but I have no idea what is currently installed |
| 00:35.35 | lunitik | Thunderguy: dpkg -l | grep ntp |
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| 00:35.45 | slapplp | and u got to learn sometime how to use stuff |
| 00:35.47 | Thunderguy | /etc/timezone reads: US/Eastern |
| 00:35.48 | lunitik | Thunderguy: aptitude install ntpdate |
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| 00:36.07 | jmd | Thunderguy, What happens now if you type date -u |
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| 00:36.22 | Thunderguy | lunitik: ii libnews-nntpclient-perl 0.37-6 News::NNTPClient, Perl support for accessing |
| 00:36.34 | coder_5 | hi! how to install mkraid? (it's not contained in raidtools2 for 3.1r2 as it seems) |
| 00:37.08 | coder_5 | mdadm works fine, but the created raid5 set is not autostarted. i think mkraid will solve this. |
| 00:37.11 | lunitik | !find mkraid |
| 00:37.19 | Thunderguy | jmd: it says: Thu Jul 20 08:40:19 UTC 2006, which is wrong, the KDE clock says 4:40 o_O |
| 00:37.28 | Thunderguy | Jmd: How can KDE and system have two different times? |
| 00:37.41 | jmd | I know nothing about KDE. |
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| 00:37.55 | jmd | What happens if you do "hwclock --show" ? |
| 00:38.01 | Thunderguy | jmd: Me neither, I've just been using it lately, but I figured KDE would at least use the same clock as the cmd line |
| 00:38.19 | coder_5 | lunitik, ? find -name mkraid yields nothing.. |
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| 00:38.33 | Thunderguy | Thu 20 Jul 2006 08:41:30 AM EDT -0.484598 seconds |
| 00:38.41 | lunitik | Thunderguy: KDE's clock is set to use local, whereas system is set to UTC? |
| 00:38.43 | coder_5 | cd .. |
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| 00:38.48 | lunitik | !talk |
| 00:38.49 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand. |
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| 00:38.56 | lunitik | !find mkraid |
| 00:39.07 | lunitik | stupid bot |
| 00:39.10 | dpkg_ | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkraid' returned no results. |
| 00:39.18 | lunitik | @find mkraid |
| 00:39.22 | jmd | Thunderguy, I suggest that you put your clock right now (approx) so that you know where you are. |
| 00:40.25 | Thunderguy | jmd: I don't think I follow, course I don't like graphical things though I'm gonna uninstall KDE once I package it to a disc |
| 00:40.50 | name | you guys know futurama? |
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| 00:41.09 | name | http://florianmayer.fl.funpic.de/shot.jpg |
| 00:41.10 | name | :) |
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| 00:41.45 | jmd | Thunderguy, type "date -u 073000412006" |
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| 00:42.08 | lunitik | jmd: all he need do is install ntpdate ... it'll make his clock correct automagically... then just set system to not use UTC (tzconfig as root) |
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| 00:43.27 | jmd | lunitik, If everything it working correctly yes. But he has another fundamental problem. Untill that's fixed, installing ntp will probably complicate things no end. |
| 00:44.04 | lunitik | jmd: whats his other issue? as far as I see, his time zones are set up differently is all. |
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| 00:44.55 | jmd | According to Thunderguy , his system clock jumps by several hours (days) on regular occasions. |
| 00:45.18 | lunitik | jmd: ntpdate is for syncing clocks... |
| 00:45.22 | jmd | lunitik, Time zones can't account for an error of 10 days. |
| 00:45.55 | Thunderguy | jmd: Is today july 29th? |
| 00:45.59 | lunitik | jmd: although granted, if its jumping that much on his own, he has issues |
| 00:46.05 | Thunderguy | I honestly am not sure |
| 00:46.06 | lunitik | Thunderguy: yes |
| 00:46.11 | jmd | lunitik, ntp will refuse to sync clocks which are too far out of sync. |
| 00:46.25 | name | will it :S |
| 00:46.33 | name | *jumpinin* |
| 00:46.43 | name | doesn't it just get the date off a server? |
| 00:46.43 | Thunderguy | jmd: Well I don't know what, I did everything you said then installed ntp, and now the KDE clock reads fine and says today is July 29th, hrm |
| 00:46.47 | lunitik | jmd: ntpdate synced mine that was around 36 hours out of sync... thats the most its corrected here though |
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| 00:47.27 | jmd | lunitik, As he is not sure, I would suggest refraining from installing new things until he understands what's going on with the current situation. |
| 00:48.10 | lunitik | jmd: I'm just butting in, you seem like you're doing fine helping him... just confused why its not something that simply... |
| 00:49.29 | Thunderguy | lunitik: Well I don't plan on having internet all the time either, so I'm trying to figure out what things to do to configure this stuff manually |
| 00:49.37 | peterS | name: no, ntpd doesn't want to jump the clock very far, since its whole operation is based around never having to step the clock discretely. ntpd slews the clock, which isn't practical if you're off more than a couple minutes |
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| 00:49.55 | jmd | Thunderguy, what happens if you now type "hwclock -u --show" ? |
| 00:50.16 | Thunderguy | Sat 29 Jul 2006 04:48:51 PM EDT -0.226439 seconds |
| 00:50.35 | peterS | lunitik: thanks for noting that. I didn't notice that anyone had confused the two. |
| 00:50.40 | Thunderguy | I don't know about that 04:48 PM though I just synced it, no idea why it's still not set right |
| 00:50.46 | Thunderguy | I did --systohc |
| 00:51.00 | Mazingaro | please, my kdm is gone under unstable :( |
| 00:51.06 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.06 | lunitik | peterS: ntpdate doesn't appear to care much about how far its off... ntpd and friends do... |
| 00:51.20 | lunitik | Mazingaro: you're running sid... live with it |
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| 00:51.36 | lunitik | Mazingaro: they're uploading kde 3.5.4, it's not done yet |
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| 00:51.39 | peterS | lunitik: that's actually the reason you may want to have both installed, because at boot time you usually _don't_ care about stepping the clock discretely |
| 00:51.47 | Mazingaro | lunitik: yes, but they put all new kde packages nor kdm :( |
| 00:52.10 | laurens_ | Mazingaro: Oh noes! sid broke! |
| 00:52.12 | lunitik | Mazingaro: they're uploading kde 3.5.4, it's not done yet |
| 00:52.16 | laurens_ | We never saw that one coming. |
| 00:52.28 | jmd | Thunderguy, and what happens if you type "date -u" ? |
| 00:52.38 | lunitik | laurens_: its not really broken... its just done done uploading... |
| 00:52.41 | Mazingaro | lunitik: do you think the take a long time? |
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| 00:52.47 | lunitik | not done* |
| 00:52.54 | Thunderguy | Sun Jul 30 00:51:22 UTC 2006 |
| 00:53.00 | laurens_ | lunitik: well, obviously the upgrade progress "broke" |
| 00:53.04 | lunitik | Mazingaro: it'll take as long as it takes :/ |
| 00:53.10 | jmd | Thunderguy, That seems right. |
| 00:53.30 | lunitik | Mazingaro: shouldn't be using dist-upgrade all the time anyways... |
| 00:53.32 | tvn | is there a software like Endnote on linux ? |
| 00:53.35 | peterS | I can't imagine many people are running kde on sid anyway. users who need the handholding of kde don't want the instability of sid, do they? |
| 00:53.38 | jmd | So what is your localtime ? |
| 00:53.49 | Thunderguy | jmd: EDT |
| 00:53.50 | lunitik | Mazingaro: use 'upgrade' until its done |
| 00:54.00 | Thunderguy | jmd: Errr.. Eastern Standard Time |
| 00:54.08 | laurens_ | peterS: I like a few KDE apps, not many though |
| 00:54.12 | Thunderguy | jmd: I think the hwclock says EDT though, whatever EDT is |
| 00:54.15 | peterS | Thunderguy: I bet it's Eastern Daylight Time |
| 00:54.15 | laurens_ | peterS: I certainly don't install all of it |
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| 00:54.22 | jmd | Thunderguy, That means nothing to me. Australian EST? Asian ? US ? |
| 00:54.22 | peterS | Thunderguy: Eastern Standard Time won't happen for another few months |
| 00:54.31 | jmd | How many hours from UTC ? |
| 00:54.32 | Thunderguy | jmd: US, Georgia |
| 00:54.36 | lunitik | peterS: KDE holds your hand less than Gnome... I'm using Sid and KDE :/ |
| 00:54.38 | peterS | jmd: EDT is -0400 |
| 00:54.45 | Thunderguy | Well it's 8:53 PM now |
| 00:55.00 | Thunderguy | rather: 20:53 |
| 00:55.16 | laurens_ | dwm throws you in the deep end with a 500lb bag of cement tied to your ankles |
| 00:55.22 | jmd | Thunderguy, So what happens if you type "date" ? |
| 00:55.37 | Thunderguy | Sat Jul 29 20:54:13 EDT 2006 |
| 00:55.44 | Thunderguy | correct date and time |
| 00:55.48 | lunitik | peterS: also, wiki.debian.org/DebianKDE directs people to pin for kde packages from sid... so its likely done more than you'd think... |
| 00:55.54 | jmd | So what's your problem ? |
| 00:56.50 | peterS | Thunderguy: you're still not in sync with the world. the world is at 20:56:50 when I hit <enter> |
| 00:57.07 | Thunderguy | jmd: Not sure, there was one, seems to have fixed when I installed NTP. but I'm still trying to figure out how there was one. |
| 00:57.18 | peterS | so if you tried to run ntpdate (I haven't been following here), it apparently didn't do its job |
| 00:58.35 | Mazingaro | lunitik: ok, thanks |
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| 00:59.53 | Thunderguy | Is it 20:59? |
| 01:00.01 | peterS | not anymore |
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| 01:02.39 | jmd | peterS, Don't forget that there is an inherent latency in IRC. |
| 01:02.59 | peterS | jmd: only a few seconds, sometimes under 1 second |
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| 01:23.02 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: oh.... just want you to know that i wrote a gallery that looks/acts like libapache-gallery-perl. (= but dont know if its secure or not though.. |
| 01:23.14 | dondelelcaro | *** Ban removal in 2 minutes; /ignore #debian MODES; or your client's equivalent strongly suggested *** |
| 01:23.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: ah, yeah... I saw it |
| 01:23.43 | Joohan | could anyone point me in the right direction on how to get it working? Or does this involve recompiling the kernel? |
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| 01:24.58 | name | woooow that's loads of bands |
| 01:24.59 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb stonr!*@* hello7063!*@* hello*!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
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| 01:25.08 | name | -d |
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| 01:25.31 | name | looool how long will that take? ^^ |
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| 01:25.54 | SeanTater | was half the population of earth banned? |
| 01:26.05 | name | ye must be |
| 01:26.10 | bucky | that was the short list |
| 01:26.10 | name | :) |
| 01:26.16 | name | bucky: hm |
| 01:26.28 | bucky | !seen mwilson |
| 01:26.28 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 285d 4h 20m 5s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 01:26.29 | SeanTater | so what's the long one? |
| 01:26.36 | deadcat_ | bucky: he was banned (= |
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| 01:26.53 | bucky | hi deadcat_ ! :))) |
| 01:26.56 | deadcat_ | hey |
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| 01:27.40 | name | !seen name |
| 01:27.41 | dpkg | name is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen name'. |
| 01:27.49 | name | heh cool bot ;) |
| 01:28.06 | Joohan | Any assistance on my query please? |
| 01:28.18 | jetscreamer | mwilson was a god that mere mortals like yourselves couldn't comprehend |
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| 01:28.47 | deadcat_ | jetscreamer: no. he just thinks everyone is a dumbass. |
| 01:28.50 | jetscreamer | !seen greycat |
| 01:28.51 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 72d 13h 7m 8s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 01:29.07 | stoned | what is a jet screamer? |
| 01:29.25 | stoned | or is jets a brand name for coffee creamer? |
| 01:29.46 | bucky | Joohan: i don't think sarge supports Yukon Gigabit |
| 01:29.58 | bucky | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 01:29.58 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.15] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 01:30.07 | bucky | Joohan: try that ^^ |
| 01:30.15 | Joohan | Thanks bucky. |
| 01:30.36 | bucky | Joohan: it requires the newer kernel |
| 01:30.48 | name | run sid, run future ;) |
| 01:30.58 | stoned | its the same thing with Hooba. Who is Hooba and why he stank.. I'll never figure it out |
| 01:31.01 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: can i message you the link to the gallery? see what you think. |
| 01:31.05 | Joohan | argh. Another cd to waste :-( |
| 01:31.05 | jetscreamer | from the jetson's, strangely enough |
| 01:31.14 | bucky | sid sucks.. especially sid KDE right now |
| 01:31.21 | name | bucky: nah |
| 01:31.24 | stoned | jetscreamer is a band just like Hoobastank, I was making fun of thier names, not your nick |
| 01:31.24 | stoned | lol |
| 01:31.27 | name | works good here |
| 01:31.35 | jetscreamer | sid kde is fine. it's kdebase conflickting with 4c2a or somelthing :) |
| 01:32.07 | jetscreamer | no jetscreamer the band are my fan band, i owned google before those posers ever jammed |
| 01:32.08 | seeds | etch is good |
| 01:32.36 | name | sid :) |
| 01:32.39 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 01:32.45 | stoned | stupid bandnames anyway |
| 01:32.56 | seeds | music is good |
| 01:33.00 | jetscreamer | i rock more i'm sure anyway |
| 01:33.15 | stoned | good for you |
| 01:33.26 | jetscreamer | actually, very |
| 01:33.30 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:34.09 | stoned | I like metal anyway. A genre that actually requires musicianship :) |
| 01:34.20 | seeds | prog metal |
| 01:34.22 | stoned | I like metal on debian more |
| 01:34.27 | seeds | heehe |
| 01:34.35 | stoned | Amarok is my choice of music app |
| 01:34.56 | seeds | queensryche |
| 01:34.59 | stoned | pull up lyrics, band info on wikipedia, good collection browser, works with my ipod |
| 01:35.09 | seeds | ya it does |
| 01:36.57 | stoned | http://www.wol.net.pk/muti/sethblackandwhite.jpg |
| 01:37.19 | stoned | thats us from 2000. band is all broken up now. I'm the one with the blue les paul |
| 01:37.29 | stoned | highly OT, but I don't see anything else going on |
| 01:37.43 | seeds | wow |
| 01:38.09 | stoned | http://www.raw.com.pk/interviews/atif_death/ <-- interview with the vocalist we kicked out, now he tells lies |
| 01:38.45 | seeds | wicked |
| 01:39.08 | seeds | my fav metal band was fates warning |
| 01:39.25 | seeds | now i prefer killswitch engage |
| 01:39.49 | stoned | we were pakistan's first death metal band, we made it pretty big, almost international. |
| 01:39.57 | seeds | aight |
| 01:40.11 | seeds | is all good |
| 01:40.13 | stoned | but then we graduated high school and came to usa for college |
| 01:40.44 | stoned | in fact, drummer and the other guitairst live in houston now, im thinking of moving back there soon as I find a good job |
| 01:40.54 | seeds | k |
| 01:41.01 | seeds | keep playing the music |
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| 01:41.25 | stoned | I love playing man, won't ever stop. Debian pot and metal make my life go around |
| 01:41.25 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:41.34 | seeds | for real |
| 01:41.47 | seeds | i am hooked on debian too |
| 01:41.49 | jhan100 | how i can make for the apt-get dont install the depends when I`ll install a package .. |
| 01:41.58 | seeds | jus trying to get real good |
| 01:42.10 | seeds | taking my time learning |
| 01:42.15 | jhan100 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.39 | seeds | debian is like an addiction to me. |
| 01:42.43 | seeds | blows me away |
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| 01:44.11 | stoned | jhan100, use --ignore-depends=blah |
| 01:44.41 | stoned | food time |
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| 01:47.59 | vick | What's a good VIDEO/AUDIO player with nice skins and themes and have lots of codecs ? |
| 01:48.38 | seeds | mplayer |
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| 01:48.48 | seeds | vlc |
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| 01:51.41 | vick | there is no package called 'mplayer', right ? |
| 01:51.56 | Ronin | vick: theres is, sort of |
| 01:52.01 | Ronin | !tell vick about mplayer |
| 01:52.50 | vick | !tell vick about vlc |
| 01:53.36 | vick | i can't find vlc either. |
| 01:53.55 | seeds | do apt-get install vlc |
| 01:54.12 | seeds | it is real versatile |
| 01:54.22 | seeds | plays everything |
| 01:54.45 | amphi | as does mplayer - they use the same codec libs AFAIK |
| 01:55.19 | vick | it says cannot find package vlc |
| 01:55.29 | vick | vls maybe ? |
| 01:55.37 | Coweater | !why is vlc not in testing? |
| 01:55.38 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 01:55.50 | seeds | u need to add repositories to your apt sources |
| 01:56.51 | vick | seeds, is there a way in which i could get only 'vlc' from stable version and not any of the stuff it depends on ? |
| 01:58.02 | seeds | vick i was using vlc in stable and then i am using it in testing |
| 01:58.11 | vick | seeds, How do i do so ? |
| 01:58.14 | seeds | never got any problems |
| 01:58.56 | seeds | vick u need to add repositories to your apt sources |
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| 01:59.40 | Thanatermesis | where i can look the list of patches of the kernel of debian ? |
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| 02:02.00 | xange | what kernel is 3.1 rev2 using? |
| 02:04.34 | Hydroxide | xange: all of Debian 3.1 versions use a security-patched 2.6.8. Regardless of which revision, you'll want to update your system after installing to get the latest security updates, and then (since some of them are kernel updates) reboot |
| 02:05.24 | Hydroxide | xange: however, I believe the installer does this for you. Regardless, you can check the advisories at http://www.debian.org/security to make sure you end up with the newest kernel for sarge |
| 02:05.31 | Hydroxide | (sarge == Debian 3.1, regardless of revision) |
| 02:06.33 | xange | thanks Hydroxide |
| 02:06.40 | Hydroxide | sure |
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| 02:09.45 | seeds | vick this is a source for vlc |
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| 02:10.30 | seeds | http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main |
| 02:11.43 | g333k | Hi I just installed centos in my PC and it installed its own grub, and my debian has gone from the menu, now I reinstalled the debian grub, how can I add centos to my grub menu? |
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| 02:14.49 | Ronin | g333k: centos wiped out teh debian entry? i find that odd to say the least |
| 02:16.42 | newbcoder | why the **** can't I get linux-2.6.17.7 to compile for uml? |
| 02:18.26 | kjm | newbcoder : don't know.....error messages/warnings and/or any sufficient information would prove helpful |
| 02:18.50 | newbcoder | hang on; le tme regen them; trying the kernels from kernels.org one by one right now |
| 02:19.01 | Hoxzer | uml = Unified Modeling Language ? |
| 02:19.12 | newbcoder | user mode linux |
| 02:19.17 | Hoxzer | lol? |
| 02:19.27 | newbcoder | why is it funny? |
| 02:19.51 | Hoxzer | Because it was just confusing |
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| 02:22.18 | newbcoder | debhelper, yo |
| 02:22.22 | newbcoder | debhelper, commands |
| 02:22.26 | newbcoder | debhelper, help |
| 02:22.35 | newbcoder | hmm; no fun; no bot commands to play with |
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| 02:22.50 | BucWheat | anyone know of debian based VPS web hosting providers? |
| 02:23.19 | newbcoder | for VPS; why does the base matter? |
| 02:23.47 | newbcoder | I'm not criticizing you; just trying to get enlightened. |
| 02:24.21 | BucWheat | i like debian and would like to stick to it |
| 02:24.44 | BucWheat | and since most VPS give you root access i can apt-get to my hearts content |
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| 02:25.17 | newbcoder | make menuconfig ARCH=um <-- works fine |
| 02:25.23 | newbcoder | amke linux ARCH=um <-- gives me the following: |
| 02:25.25 | newbcoder | include/asm/arch/atomic.h: In function `atomic_add_return': |
| 02:25.25 | newbcoder | include/asm/arch/atomic.h:187: error: structure has no member named `x86' |
| 02:25.25 | newbcoder | make[1]: *** [arch/um/kernel/asm-offsets.s] Error 1 |
| 02:25.25 | newbcoder | make: *** [prepare0] Error 2 |
| 02:25.26 | Firebird88 | is there a command to see the cpu temp from the console? |
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| 02:25.51 | kjm | newbcoder, use a pastebin for that much stuff |
| 02:26.29 | Hoxzer | Lol |
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| 02:29.43 | newbcoder | so any idea what's wrong? |
| 02:29.48 | newbcoder | debhelper, passtebin |
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| 02:34.28 | kjm | Firebird : I recall a CLI app called lm_sensors that I used with Fedora 3.....don't know if there is a .deb of them....all I know though |
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| 02:35.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:35.14 | jetscreamer | !info lmsensors |
| 02:35.29 | jetscreamer | or apt-cache search lm_sensors or something |
| 02:35.35 | jetscreamer | !info lm_sensors |
| 02:35.37 | Joohan | Why not just cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature? |
| 02:35.55 | jetscreamer | lm-sensors |
| 02:35.58 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
| 02:36.04 | kjm | Joohan - that could work as well :) That is probably all that lm_sensors polls anyways. |
| 02:36.22 | freeone3000 | 74C. |
| 02:36.24 | jetscreamer | but sensors-detect will do your mnodules |
| 02:36.24 | freeone3000 | Is that bad? |
| 02:36.28 | jetscreamer | btw |
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| 02:36.57 | kjm | freeone3000 - 74 C on your processor isn't terrible, but it is pretty hot. Is this a laptop? |
| 02:37.55 | Coweater | 74c is pretty bad |
| 02:39.08 | kjm | 165 F. It is up there.................. |
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| 02:40.49 | freeone3000 | kjm: Desktop. |
| 02:41.15 | pab | At what level would you all start worrying about how hot the cpu is getting? |
| 02:41.25 | Coweater | check your heatsink isn't full of dust |
| 02:41.28 | kjm | pab : JUst before the motherboard starts melting. |
| 02:41.37 | pab | kjm: lol |
| 02:41.53 | Coweater | 60 C is about as high as i'd let anything be, i'd usually fix it if it was more than 50 |
| 02:41.54 | pab | I was hoping before that happened! |
| 02:42.04 | freeone3000 | Mm. Mmkay. |
| 02:42.22 | kjm | freeone3000 : For a laptop, that is getting hot. For a desktop, that is insane. I get nervous around 65 C |
| 02:42.26 | newbcoder | ARGH; I hate UML! |
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| 02:42.51 | freeone3000 | Meh. Running windows it went to 80 fairly often. I'm not too worried. |
| 02:43.09 | freeone3000 | I'll make sure to clean out teh heatsink, though. |
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| 02:43.48 | kjm | Blow compressed air through all of your fans, and make sure there aren't any wire obstructions blocking air flow. |
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| 02:47.22 | bdilley | I just installed debian on my new home file server... I need it to resolve machine names using WINS (nss wins)... what's the package name for that? |
| 02:47.31 | bdilley | i did an aptitude search nss and i didn't see anything |
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| 02:49.23 | jannik__ | bye |
| 02:49.40 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search wins |
| 02:49.49 | jetscreamer | or aptitude search whatever |
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| 02:50.22 | jetscreamer | !info winbind |
| 02:50.29 | dpkg | winbind: (service to resolve user and group information from Windows NT servers), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1688 kB, Installed size: 4332 kB |
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| 02:51.01 | jetscreamer | i dunno it that's wins |
| 02:51.03 | freeone3000 | "Warning underclocking your proc can lead to these conditions: * Slow disk access * Massive filesystem Corruption * Slow buffer processing." |
| 02:51.19 | jetscreamer | even ms doesn't recommend wins, iirc |
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| 02:53.07 | Hoxzer | Give me somehting you can't understaaand |
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| 02:54.08 | lunitik | jetscreamer: wins is netbios ... microsoft moved away from netbios a while ago... |
| 02:54.20 | lunitik | basically dns for netbios |
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| 02:55.12 | optraz | hi, how do i give permission for a user to check the log in /var/log/messages ? |
| 02:55.20 | kittonian | hello all. anyone running qmail at the moment? |
| 02:55.23 | Joohan | Thanks for those links bucky, did the job well, it now see's my network card :-) |
| 02:55.36 | kittonian | wondering if anyone else is getting completely slammed right now |
| 02:55.52 | bucky | good job Joohan ! |
| 02:55.53 | kittonian | our server is so bogged down that you can't even ssh in. even at the terminal it's massively slow |
| 02:56.02 | kittonian | and it's directly related to the amount of messages pouring in |
| 02:56.17 | lunitik | !anyone |
| 02:56.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:56.56 | kittonian | lunitik, read what I wrote |
| 02:57.08 | kittonian | i'm just wondering if anyone else is having a huge influx of messages right now |
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| 02:58.25 | bucky | kittonian: maybe ask in #qmail ? |
| 02:58.37 | kittonian | i am in that channel and have asked. no one is around |
| 02:58.41 | bucky | maybe they're getting slammed |
| 02:58.52 | kittonian | thought i'd maybe come in here and see if anyone was alive |
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| 02:59.39 | dark_light | how can i see what repository a package is offered? i think it's a option of dpkg, but i can't find..] |
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| 03:01.03 | bucky | kittonian: not many people use qmail on debian because there's not really a binary package for it |
| 03:01.46 | optraz | hi, how do i give permission for a user to check the log in /var/log/messages ? |
| 03:01.54 | kittonian | man, i must be getting old. back in the day that was the whole idea of runing debian instead of redhat/suse |
| 03:01.59 | kittonian | compile your own stuff |
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| 03:05.42 | freeone3000 | !<popcorn> |
| 03:05.54 | xaphod2 | what's going on with unstable and kdelibs? Everything depends on kdelibs4c2a but it seems that that's now deprecated by kdelibs-data? I have lotsa busted deps. |
| 03:06.04 | xaphod2 | but maybe i am t3h suck? |
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| 03:06.51 | freeone3000 | xaphod2: Yeah, pretty much. I just didn't upgrade. |
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| 03:07.25 | m0gsi | Hey guys , i use ubuntu and i am new to linux , so body told me to get debian |
| 03:07.29 | m0gsi | What is it? |
| 03:07.30 | xaphod2 | yeah i made the mistake, now i can't run kde :( :( |
| 03:07.46 | seeds | debian is the king |
| 03:07.52 | m0gsi | of .. |
| 03:07.54 | Gozz | does anyone have a link to a tut. on fixing Grub to boot my debian installation after a windows reinstall? |
| 03:07.54 | m0gsi | Is it a distro? |
| 03:08.01 | freeone3000 | m0gsi: Yes. |
| 03:08.06 | m0gsi | Oh cool |
| 03:08.11 | seeds | of course the ultimate |
| 03:08.13 | m0gsi | Does it have the ubuntu package system it's really good |
| 03:08.23 | freeone3000 | m0gsi: Ubuntu (and a few others) are based off it, and they ripped the package system. |
| 03:08.34 | seeds | yup they ripped it |
| 03:08.42 | m0gsi | oh i've g2g |
| 03:08.44 | kjm | m0gsi : you mean the debian package system ? yes, Ubuntu uses apt, and it is very good. |
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| 03:09.22 | xaphod2 | crud... so no one knows anything more about kdelibs being busted in unstable right now? |
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| 03:10.14 | Gozz | i think i read someware before that it could be done with the installation disk? |
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| 03:10.49 | freeone3000 | xaphod2: I would just downgrade it... See if that helps. |
| 03:11.01 | xaphod2 | how to downgrade with apt or dpkg? |
| 03:11.25 | freeone3000 | man apt-get? |
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| 03:11.31 | xaphod2 | sigh |
| 03:12.16 | PumpkinPie | what? |
| 03:12.17 | PumpkinPie | man sigh |
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| 03:12.38 | f00li5h | xaphod2: try asking the dpgk robot, he tends to be helpful |
| 03:12.46 | f00li5h | (when the humans aren't) |
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| 03:14.21 | xaphod2 | yeah. I've takne a closer look at what packages have barfed b/c of kdelibs being broken... loads but none of them critical, i'll just uninstall them |
| 03:14.47 | newbcoder | where is the devfs option in make menuconfig? |
| 03:14.49 | newbcoder | I can't find it! |
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| 03:15.33 | kjm | <dpkg> i guess devfs is obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
| 03:15.40 | xaphod2 | woooooooah. just tried an apt-get update in case i screwed something up, saw MD5Sum mismatch all over the place. maybe this is all some mirror misery |
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| 03:17.11 | xaphod2 | sigh, nope |
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| 03:21.31 | xaphod2 | fark it. this unstable dep sh!t is pissing me off. i'm trying ubuntu. |
| 03:21.51 | freeone3000 | Well, it *is* unstable. |
| 03:22.01 | seeds | try etch |
| 03:22.07 | seeds | etch is mystic |
| 03:22.26 | stoned | run whatever you want, just stop bitching |
| 03:22.37 | inc|freaky | hi all. how can i change teh hostname of my server? |
| 03:22.38 | seeds | for real |
| 03:22.47 | stoned | inc|freaky, man hostname |
| 03:23.11 | inc|freaky | thankyou :) |
| 03:23.14 | stoned | sure |
| 03:23.31 | freeone3000 | Is the mirrors.kernel.org not working for anyone else? |
| 03:26.17 | xaphod2 | freeone: me too |
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| 03:26.30 | xaphod2 | was up 20 min sago |
| 03:26.37 | grendal_prime | abrotman, that install went flawless |
| 03:26.50 | grendal_prime | i need a 2.6 multiproc kernel now im guessing? |
| 03:27.58 | newbcoder | Package user-mode-linux is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 03:27.58 | newbcoder | is only available from another source |
| 03:27.59 | newbcoder | E: Package user-mode-linux has no installation candidate |
| 03:28.02 | newbcoder | how do I get it + insstall it? |
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| 03:30.05 | grendal_prime | installing the 2.6.3 with smp is that how this is usually worked out? |
| 03:30.32 | grendal_prime | anyone who has multiproc experience feel free to chime in at any time!! |
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| 03:34.41 | grendal_prime | one shot mode?? |
| 03:35.16 | peder_ | ia64 for 64bit proccesor? |
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| 03:39.13 | pab | It still looks like unstable has many issues with xorg7. Has anyone had success? |
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| 03:40.05 | newbcoder | someone please tell me what this means (using uml): |
| 03:40.07 | newbcoder | VFS: Cannot open root device "98:0" or unknown-block(98,0) |
| 03:40.08 | newbcoder | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 03:40.08 | newbcoder | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(98,0) |
| 03:40.18 | JordiGH | Hi. I recently created a little something with Octaviz, a VTK frontend in Octave: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/blowing-in-the-wind.png |
| 03:40.45 | JordiGH | Does anyone know a better interface to VTK that could give me finer control? For instance, I want to colour the arrows according to a temperature gradient. |
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| 03:42.17 | JordiGH | newbcoder: You're getting that at boot? Awfully strange to have 98 partitions or 98 hard disks, if that's what your grub's menu.lst is saying... |
| 03:42.38 | newbcoder | I'm running this under user mode linux |
| 03:42.40 | newbcoder | so I'm typing ./linux |
| 03:42.59 | JordiGH | newbcoder: Go read /boot/grub/menu.lst and grep for 98. It seems like it's there, something's funny. |
| 03:43.15 | JordiGH | And you'd better be running Debian under UML. :-) |
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| 03:44.26 | newbcoder | Debian == my host OS |
| 03:44.46 | newbcoder | the only 98 in /boot/grub/menu.lst is "Windows 95/98/NT/..." |
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| 03:45.28 | JordiGH | So you're trying to boot a different kernel under UML? |
| 03:45.42 | newbcoder | I am |
| 03:45.53 | newbcoder | my host kernel is 2.6.8-2.386 |
| 03:45.59 | newbcoder | the one I'm trying to run under UML is 2.6.14 |
| 03:46.01 | newbcoder | is this a problem? |
| 03:46.03 | JordiGH | Somehow, you're telling your new kernel to look for its root partition in a funny place. |
| 03:46.43 | newbcoder | I totally agree |
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| 03:46.50 | newbcoder | I hope we can nail this on somehting more specific :-) |
| 03:47.06 | JordiGH | Look at the example in menu.lst, for example. You should have a line such as kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda4 ro |
| 03:47.30 | newbcoder | sorry for my stupidity |
| 03:47.38 | newbcoder | but why do I care about /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 03:47.40 | JordiGH | You pass some kernel options when you boot it, in this case, telling it where to look for root. I don't know how UML passes those options,though. |
| 03:47.45 | newbcoder | why would UML go there to look for it? |
| 03:47.52 | amp_halp | what is the main repository for Debian ??? |
| 03:47.56 | JordiGH | I don't think it does. But I'm telling you what UML should be passing. |
| 03:48.26 | JordiGH | amp_halp: Main? You mean, the main mirror? There isn't one, but the primary mirrors are of the form xx.debian.org where xx is the country code. |
| 03:48.42 | newbcoder | berkeley.edu and mirrors.kernel.org are fast |
| 03:48.56 | amp_halp | yes the primary, where a can found ??? |
| 03:48.59 | JordiGH | Depending where you're from... They're not so fast from .pl |
| 03:49.06 | amp_halp | EUA |
| 03:49.13 | newbcoder | JordiGH, move :-) |
| 03:49.20 | amp_halp | USA |
| 03:49.23 | newbcoder | it's worth it for access to mirrors.kernel.org alone |
| 03:49.30 | JordiGH | Hehehe... Spanish speaker. :-) |
| 03:49.40 | JordiGH | You sure you don't want a .mx or .es or .ar mirror? |
| 03:50.22 | JordiGH | Or .br, perhaps? |
| 03:51.11 | amp_halp | Which are the updates repositories on USA ??? |
| 03:51.14 | JordiGH | http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 03:51.29 | JordiGH | security.debian.org, I believe. |
| 03:51.33 | amp_halp | and for apt-get ??? |
| 03:51.39 | amp_halp | ok. thanks. |
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| 03:52.32 | JordiGH | np |
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| 03:53.10 | zebalin4 | Where do I find libmp3lame.so? Audacity is asking for it. I've looked for it on all the deb repos as well as 'unofficial' and Marlliat. Help. |
| 03:53.43 | JordiGH | zebalin4: isn't it in liblame0? |
| 03:54.06 | zebalin4 | I got plain old 'lame' and it's not in that one. |
| 03:55.00 | JordiGH | I think it's in liblame0, but I forget how to ask dpkg to list the files of a package. |
| 03:55.42 | JordiGH | Yep, found it. It's in there. "dpkg -L liblame0" confirms it. |
| 03:55.43 | dabreegster | dpkg -L package or cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.list |
| 03:55.43 | dpkg | No packages found matching package or cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.list |
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| 03:56.25 | zebalin4 | ok, so I should install liblame0 from marillat? |
| 03:56.29 | JordiGH | dpkg -L octaviz |
| 03:56.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching octaviz |
| 03:56.37 | JordiGH | !info octaviz |
| 03:56.43 | dpkg | octaviz: (3D visualization system for Octave), section math, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-27 (sid), Packaged size: 10595 kB, Installed size: 31912 kB |
| 03:56.55 | JordiGH | dpkg, help |
| 03:57.17 | JordiGH | zebalin4: Looks like it... |
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| 03:57.35 | zignig | bleh to you and your cats. |
| 03:57.42 | JordiGH | dpkg, wtf |
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| 03:58.13 | JordiGH | !wtf iirc |
| 03:58.15 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 03:58.24 | JordiGH | !wtf wtf |
| 03:58.25 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 03:58.54 | JordiGH | Hhmm... I don't understand you, dpkg. |
| 03:59.02 | JordiGH | zignig: Don't cat when you can grep! |
| 04:00.03 | JordiGH | !cat award to dabreegster |
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| 04:00.30 | dabreegster | JordiGH: What'd I do? |
| 04:00.56 | JordiGH | Oops, never mind. We did want a cat, not a grep. |
| 04:01.01 | zignig | JordiGH: you can't pat a grep and the do catch rodents. |
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| 04:03.08 | seeds | ffmpeg is the best dvd encoder for linux? |
| 04:03.28 | dabreegster | That's opinionated. mencoder is good as well; I use both. |
| 04:03.41 | JordiGH | !decss |
| 04:03.42 | dpkg | i heard decss is PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html |
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| 04:03.55 | Cornellius | So, I have a HD I can mess with |
| 04:03.57 | seeds | k |
| 04:04.02 | Cornellius | I tried to do Sarge to Etch |
| 04:04.08 | Cornellius | but X broke |
| 04:04.16 | enouf | zabalin4: i know what you want - the libmp3lame.so plugin for audacity |
| 04:04.18 | JordiGH | That's a funny statement for dpkg to make... usually he's very copyright-conscious. |
| 04:04.21 | Lyrasen | hildi, i'm quite new on linux and I might need a hand here. I just setted up a lan connection and everything seems to work but I just can't load certain pages. page like google or wiki loads perfectly but as soon as i get of the range of commercials pages, I just can't load them. I think this might be due to my MTU size wich I setted to 1492, but still the same problem, any suggestion? |
| 04:04.30 | Cornellius | I think it's because it went from ver. 6 to 7 |
| 04:05.16 | JordiGH | Lyrasen: Ooh, I have the same problem. I thought I could blame it on my sysadmin's firewall, but perhaps that's not the reason. I eagerly await to see if someone solves your problem. |
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| 04:05.50 | Lyrasen | I tried to turn off the firewall but still nothing |
| 04:05.54 | JordiGH | Cornellius: I get that all the time. How is it broken? Usually I get it that it gets new video settings wrong and you have to fix them manually. |
| 04:06.09 | enouf | zabalin4: You have to compile lame like I did - and then point Audacity's preference to where the file is made (/usr/lib/...) I'll have to go see ;-) |
| 04:06.19 | iLLf8d | Lyrasen, you ignite your firewall |
| 04:06.47 | enouf | whoops: s/zabalin4/"zebalin4" |
| 04:06.49 | ice_1963 | well i need to get my firewall up an running :) |
| 04:06.50 | Cornellius | gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf ? |
| 04:07.10 | Cornellius | well, as root of course |
| 04:07.10 | iLLf8d | Lyrasen, oops I meant douse |
| 04:07.31 | JordiGH | Cornellius: Sure, but I would endorse Emacs or vi or nano or any other text editor, since gedit won't run without X. |
| 04:07.42 | JordiGH | Or does it? |
| 04:07.46 | Cornellius | errrrrrr |
| 04:07.49 | Cornellius | Stupid me |
| 04:07.52 | Cornellius | yeah, nano |
| 04:08.31 | grendal_prime | ice_1963, ill help you with your firewall if you help me with my raid array? |
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| 04:08.47 | grendal_prime | mylex dac 960 |
| 04:09.02 | JordiGH | Cornellius: But before that, we need to figure out what the problem is. Look at the tail of /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:09.13 | Lyrasen | douse? (my firewall is actually firestarter) |
| 04:09.22 | Cornellius | Not on my Linux box at the moment |
| 04:09.44 | Cornellius | When I'll be, I'll use irssi to come here |
| 04:09.59 | JordiGH | Cornellius: Hm, that's a pickle. Ok, if indeed it is video settings that are wonky (it could be other things, like bad mice or such)... |
| 04:10.02 | newbcoder | why does "make menuconfig" try to read : /boot/config-2.6.8-2-386: : and more importantly, how can I prevent it? |
| 04:10.03 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, you can boot into Debian? |
| 04:10.09 | ice_1963 | grendal_prime, that's ok i'm haveing a time with firewall :( |
| 04:10.26 | Cornellius | JordiGH: Yep, just X won't start |
| 04:10.32 | grendal_prime | is it a router/firewall? |
| 04:10.41 | JordiGH | Cornellius: Reboot into Debian. I'll be waiting. :-) |
| 04:10.41 | grendal_prime | is it debian based? iptables? |
| 04:10.49 | enouf | zebalin4: ahhh....http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/Audacity_to_MP3 |
| 04:10.52 | zebalin4 | enouf: no complile. You can get liblame0 from Marliatte. It has libmp3lame.so.0 and that works fine with audacity. Just did it. Thanks. |
| 04:10.56 | ice_1963 | grendal_prime, yes it is |
| 04:11.16 | enouf | zebalin4: I compile ;-) |
| 04:11.21 | newbcoder | how do I know what version of Debian I'm runing? |
| 04:11.30 | grendal_prime | you have two nics? did you make sure that the ip forwarding is tured on? |
| 04:11.34 | Cornellius | JordiGH: Oh but Deb is not on this box. I have to change HDs since this comp only have space for 1 at a time |
| 04:11.44 | JordiGH | Cornellius: Will it take long? |
| 04:11.44 | newbcoder | how can I test if I'm running srage or not? |
| 04:11.49 | zebalin4 | enouf: well compiling is the safe, "always works" way. I'm lazy!! |
| 04:12.07 | JordiGH | newbcoder: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:12.09 | EdLin | !wayc enouf |
| 04:12.09 | dpkg | enouf: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 04:12.21 | JordiGH | Hahahah!! |
| 04:12.28 | enouf | zebalin4: Use http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main instead of marillat |
| 04:12.32 | Cornellius | JordiGH: I'll do it another night... Now I'm busy :) |
| 04:12.42 | ice_1963 | hmm |
| 04:12.53 | zebalin4 | enouf: yes, I know. He changed the URL. I use sid instead of etch. |
| 04:12.54 | enouf | zebalin4: Have you used it yet ?? lemme know if it works for you ;-) |
| 04:13.06 | enouf | zebalin4: So do I |
| 04:13.17 | zebalin4 | enouf: audacity made the mp3 from a wav. Let me see if it plays!!! |
| 04:13.24 | JordiGH | Cornellius: Ok, for the record, you should read X's log in /var/log, and once you figure out what the problem is, you fix it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf That's the very general and vague idea. |
| 04:13.28 | zebalin4 | enouf: hold a sec while I try it. |
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| 04:13.51 | newbcoder | is the order of stability: stable, testing, unstable? |
| 04:13.59 | Cornellius | JordiGH: Yep gonna do. I'll be back if I have problems |
| 04:14.00 | JordiGH | newbcoder: Yep. |
| 04:14.05 | Cornellius | Or even if not :) |
| 04:14.06 | enouf | zebalin4: ok -- I think you may need to use etch/testing in the repository name, but I could be wrong |
| 04:14.28 | zebalin4 | enouf: mp3 plays fine. thanks for the help. |
| 04:14.47 | enouf | zebalin4: Excellent! |
| 04:14.50 | JordiGH | Nah, Marillat allows sid now. |
| 04:15.17 | JordiGH | zebalin4: Did you have to go to Marillat just for playing an mp3? |
| 04:16.28 | enouf | EdLin: I guess hadn't realized thaI could just d/l the file pre-compiled -- but I needed the learning process anyway ;-) It was my 1st ./configure, make, make install and it all worked out (eventually) |
| 04:16.48 | grendal_prime | whats a good tool for monitoring processor usage....not some X app it needs to run from console |
| 04:16.55 | zebalin4 | JordiGH: no. I wanted to convert a .wav (from a CD) to mp3. For some reason k3b would not do it. Now that lame is installed maybe k3b will work. |
| 04:17.05 | EdLin | enouf: if you don't know how to use apt-get you are missing out on the main plus of running Debian |
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| 04:17.26 | enouf | zebalin4: Do you have the ability to alter the bitrate from 16-320 ?? |
| 04:17.35 | JordiGH | Heh. I once thought that I was missing out on something and that Debian was "spoonfeeding" me by not compiling. I thought it wasn't really GNU/Linux if I wasn't compiling. Ah, the innocence of youth. |
| 04:17.56 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: top? |
| 04:18.25 | zebalin4 | enouf: I don't know. I didn't see any settting for that in audacity. It took a 64MB wav and made it 3mb mp3... that's all I needed done. |
| 04:18.26 | EdLin | well, when I ran linux kernel 0.95 on a 386 I did a lot of compiling, but I didn't have a choice. :-) |
| 04:18.29 | enouf | EdLin: pretty good at apt-get -- but hadn't had the multi-media repository listed, northe non-free |
| 04:18.40 | dogmeat | could be some bad blocks on my large hdd, was considering running e2fsck with -c option which runs badblocks(8) that adds bad blocks to the bad inode. my concern is that important data may be lost, any advise? |
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| 04:19.01 | JordiGH | dogmeat, remind me, where you the one with the possibly corrupt vfat partition? |
| 04:19.15 | enouf | zebalin4: Look in Audacity's preferences under where you had tospecify the location of libmp3lame.so |
| 04:19.27 | dogmeat | JordiGH: nope |
| 04:19.41 | grendal_prime | JordiGH, ya but that...well i want processor usage specifically |
| 04:20.07 | EdLin | enouf: if you need something that's in *none* of the standard archives search for it on apt-get.org. Be careful using third-party repositories though, not all of them get along with each other. |
| 04:20.07 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: top lists it, at the very, well... top |
| 04:21.18 | grendal_prime | ya,,,but it does not show each one. |
| 04:21.20 | grendal_prime | does it? |
| 04:21.25 | grendal_prime | i see one.. |
| 04:21.40 | JordiGH | Oh, you have several processors? |
| 04:21.44 | grendal_prime | i want to make sure all of them are running...i mean how the hell does one tell that... |
| 04:21.45 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 04:21.47 | grendal_prime | 4 of them |
| 04:22.09 | grendal_prime | cat /proc/cpuinfo showes them..but i want something that shows the fluxuation in them |
| 04:22.39 | enouf | EdLin: I see, but everything I was reading/finding on the topic said I needed to compile -- FWIW - I also found another one that may give ppl 3ware hardwrae RAID controller drivers, DivX codecs and FF plugins and other stuff --> see http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sid main contrib non-free restricted |
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| 04:23.32 | EdLin | enouf: then what you read was not Debian-advice or was incorrect |
| 04:23.57 | EdLin | enouf: thanks for the repository, BTW |
| 04:24.38 | enouf | EdLin: ^_^ I wanted to compile anyways - your welcome - thank the maintainer |
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| 04:24.59 | JordiGH | EdLin: You were back there with kernel below 1.0? |
| 04:25.06 | EdLin | JordiGH: yes. |
| 04:25.09 | JordiGH | Tell me all about it. |
| 04:25.19 | JordiGH | Uphill in the snow both way? |
| 04:25.34 | delewis | MinixFS :-) |
| 04:25.58 | EdLin | JordiGH: I downloaded tarballs of gcc, the kernel, and GNU utilities. Yes, delewis, Minix's fs - lots of Unix names were truncated |
| 04:26.18 | EdLin | JordiGH: then if I wanted most things, I had to compile |
| 04:26.19 | JordiGH | How... how do you compile gcc? |
| 04:26.34 | EdLin | JordiGH: I didn't - I downloaded binaries. |
| 04:26.40 | enouf | zebalin4: Look in Audacity's File | Preferences, under "File Formats" | MP3 Export setup | Bit Rate |
| 04:26.56 | JordiGH | Those were the days, eh? |
| 04:27.02 | EdLin | JordiGH: for gcc and a few GNU utilities, there were binaries in tarballs. |
| 04:27.05 | zebalin4 | enouf: ok, I will. |
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| 04:27.38 | JordiGH | Back when ed was the standard editor? |
| 04:27.40 | EdLin | JordiGH: I remember compiling the kernel for nearly 2 days. I don't miss that. |
| 04:27.43 | zebalin4 | enouf: but now that k3b works I don't really need audacity for this. K3b is a but more 'robust' with it's GUI. |
| 04:27.48 | EdLin | JordiGH: I used vile |
| 04:28.08 | EdLin | JordiGH: actually my first Unix was Microport SysV |
| 04:28.15 | enouf | zebalin4: Thanks -- I'm just trying to see if what you have is most optimized and has all the features available is all ... |
| 04:28.37 | zebalin4 | Question. many months ago, with synaptic, I uninstalled kdemultimedia-kio-plugins. If I re-install it where will it come from? Not the current sid repos? |
| 04:28.41 | JordiGH | "that ed is"... forgive my blankos. |
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| 04:29.08 | EdLin | JordiGH: I don't know why BSD would say that - BSD invented vi and ex |
| 04:29.18 | newbcoder | how does linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-686 and linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-vserver-686 differ? they have the same description |
| 04:29.40 | Lyrasen | if someone could take a look at my quote up there, it would be appreciated, the problem persist :( |
| 04:29.54 | newbcoder | what problem? |
| 04:30.03 | JordiGH | zebalin4: "apt-cache policy packagename" will tell you what's going to be installed. Lower numbers go first. |
| 04:30.07 | Lyrasen | cant load non commercial page on my lan |
| 04:30.22 | newbcoder | can't load non commercial page? |
| 04:30.23 | newbcoder | what do you mean? |
| 04:30.39 | Lyrasen | yeah, pages outside google or else |
| 04:30.41 | enouf | zebalin4: BTW -- I've used cdparanoia (CLI) to just output to mp3 --> ~$ cdparanoia -B -- -1 && lame track01.cdda.wav track01.cdda.mp3 |
| 04:30.48 | JordiGH | EdLin: Maybe it's just an in-joke of my native everything2.com, since a Google search for "ed is the standard editor" features e2 prominently. |
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| 04:30.58 | bioniclinux | hola |
| 04:31.05 | Lyrasen | weird thing |
| 04:31.16 | bioniclinux | I mean hi |
| 04:31.42 | EdLin | JordiGH: when I ask ed if its the standard editor it doesn't understand, it replies "?" |
| 04:31.42 | JordiGH | EdLin: So, I'm curious, back then, with the GNU tools, had the GNU philosophy sunk in, or was Linux just a toy to play around with out of curiousity, not because of freedom? |
| 04:31.53 | bioniclinux | is the X module "extmode" that thing that adds extra space to the desktop? I find it annoying |
| 04:32.22 | bioniclinux | I mean my Desktop has like extra space that I only can see when I push the mouse over the borders |
| 04:32.31 | Lyrasen | newbcoder: what setting could make that only some pages load? any idea? |
| 04:32.31 | bioniclinux | how may I disable that? |
| 04:32.51 | EdLin | JordiGH: people had heard of GNU when they used it. Usenet and mailing lists did have software-politics back then a bit but Linus and RMS weren't at war with each other like today. |
| 04:33.25 | JordiGH | bioniclinux: Try ctrl+alt+- (minus) |
| 04:33.49 | Lyrasen | gna |
| 04:34.28 | EdLin | JordiGH: I used Linux because it offered me Unix for an affordable price (free) first, but I was aware of the goodness of making source available - in the Fido software world I used Binkley which had a lot of free-software ideology surrounding it vs. the propritary alternatives. |
| 04:34.31 | delewis | JordiGH: 'ed' hasn't been a standard text editor in a *long* time. |
| 04:34.33 | bioniclinux | JordiGH: that`s for the resolution what I am talking is something different as res have the same thing |
| 04:34.56 | Lyrasen | ;0 |
| 04:34.59 | delewis | 'vi' and 'emacs' were around a lot longer than version 1.0 of the Linux kernel. |
| 04:34.59 | JordiGH | delewis: Yes, that's the thing. I wanted to know if EdLin remembered when it was the standard editor. :-) |
| 04:35.02 | zebalin4 | JordiGH: It's going to bring in 3.5.3-2 and I have kde 3.5.1-1. Damn. I guess I could get it from debian snapshot? |
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| 04:35.07 | delewis | ah. :-) |
| 04:35.24 | EdLin | delewis: yep, I used a vi clone on Linux 0.95 |
| 04:35.27 | zebalin4 | JordiGH: I hear sid's kde is all borked up now with the new version going in. |
| 04:35.45 | EdLin | delewis: I used vi on SysVr3 as well. |
| 04:35.50 | EdLin | or was it r2? |
| 04:36.28 | delewis | definitely R2 or R3. |
| 04:36.35 | JordiGH | rms and Linus are at war? I thought they had quiet disagreements. Isn't Linus rethinking GPL3? |
| 04:36.36 | EdLin | I hated the original vi, very unforgiving of insert modes in command mode. |
| 04:36.51 | delewis | JordiGH: Linux despises the GPLv3 |
| 04:36.51 | JordiGH | When did we get vim? |
| 04:36.55 | dogmeat | i specified file descriptor 0 to e2fsck, as in e2fsck -C 0 /dev/hda1, but no status was printed. am i specifying the fd correctly? |
| 04:36.58 | ^punisher | private |
| 04:37.03 | delewis | he's more concerned about Linux kernel development than politicks :-) |
| 04:37.22 | newbcoder | how does linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-686 and linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-vserver-686 differ? they have the same description |
| 04:37.37 | JordiGH | delewis: I don't even understand GPL3. What's the big deal now? Something about DRM? |
| 04:37.48 | delewis | basically. |
| 04:38.11 | delewis | Linus wants Linux to be able to run on hardware DRM implementations, while the GPLv3 has legalese that *could* prevent this. |
| 04:38.16 | delewis | from what I read, anyway. |
| 04:39.14 | zebalin4 | I'm beginning to think Uubuntu and Mepis have the right idea. create a release and freeze the repository. that way if you later want to add a new (kde) program you don't get borked. |
| 04:39.39 | JordiGH | newbcoder: vserver must be something built into the other module. |
| 04:39.50 | JordiGH | Er, other kernel. |
| 04:40.00 | JordiGH | newbcoder: if you don't know what it is, you probably don't need it. ;-) |
| 04:40.10 | EdLin | zebalin4: Ubuntu and Mepis are great for desktops, where stability and security don't matter as much. |
| 04:40.54 | JordiGH | EdLin: And where getting bleeding-edge specialised software isn't important either. Ubuntu didn't have the 2.9 Octave branch last time I checked, but Debian did. |
| 04:40.58 | zebalin4 | EdLin: Well, sid used to be a bit more 'stable' than it has... and etch is just.... OLD. |
| 04:41.42 | EdLin | zebalin4: sid is always more unstable when release engineering hasn't gotten into full gear. |
| 04:42.00 | enouf | dogmeat: huh? I must've missed something |
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| 04:42.10 | JordiGH | Is there a way to apt-get experimental packages? |
| 04:42.19 | EdLin | JordiGH: iyntays |
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| 04:42.56 | EdLin | JordiGH: "if you need to ask you shouldn't" |
| 04:43.00 | newbcoder | I want to install xen and what xen depends on from debian |
| 04:43.02 | newbcoder | and nothing else |
| 04:43.08 | newbcoder | from debian testing I mean |
| 04:43.12 | newbcoder | and keep all else at debian stable |
| 04:43.15 | newbcoder | how do I do this |
| 04:43.18 | deadcat_ | EdLin: no sane person could have guessed that. |
| 04:43.31 | zebalin4 | JordiGH: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free in your apt-source |
| 04:43.33 | EdLin | deadcat_: I'm not a sane person |
| 04:43.45 | dabreegster | JordiGH: The wtf database is surprisingly empty. It gets most AIMish acronyms, and that's about it. |
| 04:43.49 | deadcat_ | EdLin: ya. but you're not the one thats guessing. |
| 04:44.01 | dabreegster | zebalin4: debian/.. is redundant |
| 04:44.20 | EdLin | deadcat_: it's a good acronym, I learned it from someone else, I didn't invent it. |
| 04:44.29 | deadcat_ | oh |
| 04:44.48 | JordiGH | dabreegster: It gets most of the old-school hacker acronyms, stuff that isn't used all that much anymore. Ever read The Cuckoo's Egg, 1980's hackerdom? They used a lot of the stuff in the wtf database in ordinary meatspace speech. |
| 04:45.04 | ice_1963 | zebalin4, are you running sid or etch? |
| 04:45.07 | dabreegster | JordiGH: Nope, not familiar with it. |
| 04:45.09 | zebalin4 | dabreegster: it is? ok. |
| 04:45.15 | zebalin4 | ice_1963: sid |
| 04:45.35 | dabreegster | zebalin4: Change to directory foo, then immediatly go up in the tree. Where do you end up? |
| 04:46.03 | JordiGH | dabreegster: Great stuff. Catching international security breakers from Wester Germany using modems with baud in the 1000s and true teletype writers. Non-fiction steampunk. :-) |
| 04:46.16 | ice_1963 | zebalin4, ok with gnome or what? |
| 04:47.04 | EdLin | I remember using a 1200 bps modem and feeling superior to those people stuck with 300 baud modems. |
| 04:47.16 | zebalin4 | ice_1963: I'm a kde guy.... only becuause it's what I started with in Mandrake 8 about 4 yrs ago. |
| 04:48.14 | newbcoder | kde is like "let's try to be MS" except failing to do so |
| 04:48.57 | JordiGH | newbcoder: Not always... stuff from superkaramba emulates some of the eye candy of MacOS too. |
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| 04:48.59 | EdLin | newbcoder: GNOME and KDE have some interesting capabilities, but aren't worth the bloat to me. Though my Ubuntu partition is using GNOME just because it was pre-installed. |
| 04:49.25 | newbcoder | I agree they're boated |
| 04:49.27 | newbcoder | in fact |
| 04:49.30 | newbcoder | I'm trying to remove gnome right now |
| 04:49.35 | newbcoder | what package should I nail to remocve them all? |
| 04:49.52 | EdLin | newbcoder: I don't think they are boated, they probably would sink like a stone if you threw them into water. |
| 04:50.05 | mattl | i think gnome-desktop is a metapackage that contains most of gnome |
| 04:50.25 | JordiGH | newbcoder: Go to the GNOME section and remove them one by one... if a removal of a package there removes hundreds of things outside of the gnome section, then don't do it. I think that's how I did it. |
| 04:50.39 | newbcoder | ohfuck |
| 04:50.42 | newbcoder | I have no idea what I just removed |
| 04:50.51 | JordiGH | mattl: But you can't remove a package and expect its dependencies to go away.. |
| 04:50.51 | newbcoder | (I did just lose 100 or so packages) |
| 04:50.54 | newbcoder | brb; reboot |
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| 04:51.03 | ice_1963 | zebalin4, ok why i ask is i had sid installed and kde an i colde not get my printer to work did you get your's to work? |
| 04:51.04 | JordiGH | Heh, let's hope it reboots. :P |
| 04:51.25 | EdLin | reboot, the first tool in the windows user's toolbox |
| 04:51.41 | EdLin | the second tool is reinstalling |
| 04:52.03 | zebalin4 | ice_1963: have you upgraded to a new cups? If so, that's your problem. cups is borked in sid from what I hear. |
| 04:52.11 | JordiGH | EdLin: I just found an interesting example recently... in sourceforge, no less. |
| 04:52.35 | JordiGH | http://libnoise.sourceforge.net/tutorials/tutorial1.html |
| 04:53.49 | JordiGH | Do they really need to do all that crap to use new libraries in the other side? |
| 04:54.43 | delewis | JordiGH: most of that is to just set up the linking environment. |
| 04:55.07 | JordiGH | delewis: -lzelibwawee |
| 04:55.13 | delewis | if the project didn't provide a Makefile, it'd be the same amount of work elsewhere. |
| 04:55.27 | delewis | JordiGH: bit more difficult than that :-) |
| 04:55.59 | JordiGH | delewis: ok, fine, apt-get install zelibwawee, g++ stuff.cpp -o -lzelibwawee |
| 04:56.04 | delewis | assuming that library is in the library search path, you still need to figure out which symbols you want to export globally, and then what objects to link with. |
| 04:56.15 | delewis | JordiGH: that's exactly what those directions are showing |
| 04:56.34 | delewis | you're listing which objects you need to link with, as the project does not provide a Visual Studio project for that. |
| 04:56.34 | ice_1963 | zebalin4, are you running the new linux-imsge in sid 2.6.17-1-? |
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| 04:56.49 | ice_1963 | image |
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| 04:57.31 | newbcoder | woop, kileld gnome/kde |
| 04:57.31 | newbcoder | yay |
| 04:57.35 | newbcoder | recovred .5 G off disk space |
| 04:57.53 | delewis | JordiGH: same as a Makefile |
| 04:57.58 | ice_1963 | i gess i need to get to work on this firewall :( |
| 04:58.10 | enouf | newbcoder: what was your exact command for removal of gnome |
| 04:58.15 | JordiGH | delewis: Can they use Makefiles? |
| 04:58.44 | newbcoder | hmm |
| 04:58.44 | newbcoder | I forgot |
| 04:58.49 | delewis | JordiGH: as I said, if the application provided a project, the build would be easy. |
| 04:58.49 | newbcoder | i used dpkg -l | grep gnome |
| 04:58.52 | newbcoder | and killed lots of them |
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| 04:59.01 | zebalin4 | ice_1963: I run 2.6.15.1 |
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| 04:59.13 | enouf | newbcoder: I mean gnome-desktop, gnome-metapackage...I have TONs of gnome pkgs installed as listed in 'dpkg -l | grep gnome' |
| 04:59.15 | JordiGH | delewis: I once had to provide code for someone who was compiling with Borland Builder. I asked them to provide me with documentation so that I could write a Makefile for their compiler, but I don't think they even understood my request. |
| 04:59.23 | delewis | but no, Visual Studio cannot use POSIX, GNU, or any other sort of UNIX-related makefiles. |
| 04:59.35 | Haven11 | hey guys, how do I get that promt (like when you first install debian) to get a list of apt mirrors, I thought it was apt-setup, but that's not working |
| 04:59.43 | JordiGH | delewis: I know at least one version of a Borland compiler uses Makefiles. |
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| 04:59.56 | enouf | newbcoder: bye bye ;-) |
| 04:59.56 | delewis | yes, Makefiles, but GNU or POSIX Makefiles? I doubt it. |
| 05:00.17 | Haven11 | anyone? please?? |
| 05:00.51 | JordiGH | delewis: So what would the polite thing to do would be if I need to interface with the other side? *Can* they provide me with documentation for me to write a, uh, project for their compiler? |
| 05:01.01 | enouf | Does anyone know if I can safely remove most of gnome without harming the gtk+ development tools? |
| 05:01.04 | EdLin | Haven11: you're running apt-setup as root? |
| 05:01.06 | delewis | JordiGH: sure. |
| 05:01.11 | delewis | not that I have any experience with that sort of thing |
| 05:01.18 | JordiGH | delewis: Are project files plaintext? |
| 05:01.20 | delewis | but even Microsoft is sane enough to provide such documentation. |
| 05:01.20 | enouf | Haven11 : I think it's base-config |
| 05:01.29 | delewis | JordiGH: hmm, I don't *think* so. |
| 05:01.37 | Haven11 | EdLin: yes |
| 05:02.01 | Haven11 | Im using the etch-installer |
| 05:02.07 | JordiGH | delewis: But their binaries in a disclosed format? |
| 05:02.09 | JordiGH | they're |
| 05:02.10 | Haven11 | used* |
| 05:02.24 | EdLin | Haven11: use the stable installer and dist-upgrade to etch, etch no longer includes base-config |
| 05:02.38 | delewis | JordiGH: the format? probably not. You'd need to create the 'Project' using the Visual Studio tools, I would guess. |
| 05:02.39 | EdLin | !d-i Haven11 |
| 05:02.40 | dpkg | Haven11, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:02.49 | delewis | but I don't claim to be a Windows developer :-) |
| 05:03.03 | JordiGH | delewis: Aha. So that was my question. There is no free way to create code that will compile in Visual Studio. |
| 05:03.08 | Haven11 | EdLin: What's the etch equivilent to base-config, I don't ahve any more CDs to burn, or any more patience atm |
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| 05:03.27 | delewis | JordiGH: correct. |
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| 05:03.59 | EdLin | Haven11: etch doesn't have base-config, or an equvialent. All configuration is done pre-reboot. |
| 05:04.09 | poonj | hey guys...anyone here have experience setting up samba with LDAP? |
| 05:04.28 | delewis | poonj: you'll almost certainly have to use OpenLDAP. |
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| 05:04.42 | delewis | unless the Netscape/Sun One schemas have gotten better (this would entail Fedora DS support) |
| 05:04.45 | poonj | delewis, I understand....I'm having some trouble with an error I have no idea what it means |
| 05:04.51 | EdLin | Haven11: it also doesn't have PPP, which is why I'm not using it. |
| 05:04.55 | Haven11 | EdLin: That makes zero sense dude, if there was a program to run it pre-boot, you could run it off the disk after the initial boot. |
| 05:04.56 | delewis | ah, well, that's the extent of my knowledge. |
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| 05:05.06 | delewis | I've never been able to use Samba+LDAP, because the directory server support *stinks*. |
| 05:05.06 | poonj | I guess I have to wait for someone to help in the other channels |
| 05:05.23 | delewis | any other schema than OpenLDAP is unmaintained by the Samba project |
| 05:05.29 | poonj | delewis, yeah |
| 05:05.37 | EdLin | Haven11: I agree, but apparantly the developers of the etch installer think saving those bytes are more important. |
| 05:06.06 | poonj | but its the best (and only) thing available to centralize users for a domain |
| 05:06.06 | Haven11 | EdLin: Anywhere I can get some mirrors to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 05:06.15 | EdLin | Haven11: www.debian.org |
| 05:06.16 | delewis | poonj: definitely. |
| 05:06.36 | poonj | but this is experimental for me |
| 05:06.38 | enouf | Haven11 : try obtaining the output of '~$ sudo debconf-get-selections | grep ftp' |
| 05:06.52 | Haven11 | EdLin: Typing debian.org into my sources list isnt going to do much |
| 05:06.56 | delewis | UNIX centralization with Windows is a pain. :-) |
| 05:06.59 | delewis | the other way isn't so bad |
| 05:07.00 | Haven11 | EdLin: I dont know how the mirrors are typed |
| 05:07.03 | EdLin | Haven11: the website, it should list mirrors |
| 05:07.10 | delewis | Active Directory has support for RFC2307 schemas |
| 05:07.19 | delewis | so you could centralize your UNIX/UNIX-like clients |
| 05:07.21 | EdLin | Haven11: do what enouf just told you. |
| 05:07.26 | JordiGH | Haven11: www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:07.26 | poonj | I'm still leaning toward having a traditional setup using a tdb binary file to store all of the inormation and rsync it with the other servers |
| 05:07.29 | EdLin | enouf: neat trick |
| 05:07.30 | delewis | but like I said, as you're finding out, the other way around is a bit more difficulty. |
| 05:07.37 | delewis | poonj: I just ended up using tdb |
| 05:07.37 | poonj | its not recommended... |
| 05:07.42 | enouf | EdLin : thanks |
| 05:07.44 | delewis | but I only had one server to setup per customer :-) |
| 05:07.56 | poonj | well, this is for a VPN to connect 2 offices |
| 05:08.04 | poonj | thats actually kind of a pain already... |
| 05:08.05 | Haven11 | EdLin: I'm not seeing it.. |
| 05:08.29 | delewis | I wanted to go the LDAP route for future scalability (in case they purchased more workstations and could afford a second server for a separate LDAP or Samba usage) |
| 05:08.39 | poonj | thats my exact thinking |
| 05:08.45 | Haven11 | http://packages.debian.org/WHATGOESHERE |
| 05:08.53 | poonj | but I'm not sure if its worth the trouble as of now |
| 05:09.10 | poonj | I've talked to another person who has said the same thing.. |
| 05:09.20 | delewis | poonj: well, I had reservations about using OpenLDAP, so when I figured that everything else was unmaintained, I gave up. :-) |
| 05:09.22 | EdLin | Haven11: that's not the mirror list |
| 05:09.38 | poonj | delewis: is it working well with tdb? |
| 05:09.54 | delewis | poonj: yep, haven't had any problems out of it. |
| 05:09.56 | JordiGH | Haven11: Fine, I'll tell you what mirror you want, but you'll have to disclose your geographic location. From your "duding", I surmise the US. |
| 05:10.00 | DB_Blade | ok |
| 05:10.17 | poonj | delewis, okay...that sounds reassuring...you have any experience with setting up a BDC? |
| 05:10.21 | Haven11 | Any US mirror http preffered |
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| 05:10.31 | poonj | or cross-subnet networks using samba? |
| 05:10.32 | enouf | Haven11 : need an example file of sources.list ?? see http://pastebin.ca/105616 but replace "Sarge" with "Etch" -- or... |
| 05:10.32 | delewis | BDC? |
| 05:10.37 | poonj | backup domain controller |
| 05:10.39 | delewis | oh, nope. |
| 05:10.42 | delewis | I've only setup PDCs |
| 05:10.45 | poonj | okay |
| 05:10.45 | JordiGH | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 05:10.50 | poonj | well, in this setup |
| 05:11.02 | poonj | I think I'm gonna have to have two separate PDCs at each location |
| 05:11.04 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 05:11.05 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 05:11.08 | Haven11 | Thank you enouf, JordiGH |
| 05:11.12 | JordiGH | There, put that in your sources.list, if you want an MIT mirror and the testing branch, with non-free and contrib packages. |
| 05:11.16 | poonj | and then just setup users on each end that want to access shares across the VPN |
| 05:11.29 | poonj | or I guess rsync the tdb file |
| 05:11.44 | poonj | maybe thats what I'll do |
| 05:11.59 | poonj | I don't get whats wrong with the LDAP setup I have right now.. |
| 05:12.00 | enouf | Haven: welcome ^_^ -- do a /msg dpkg upgrade |
| 05:12.04 | delewis | I don't exactly know how BDCs work, but if it's anything like LDAP or NIS/NIS+, the list of servers is maintained on the client-side |
| 05:12.17 | delewis | the client pools each server, and as each one fails, it just queries the next. |
| 05:12.26 | poonj | the user I created can login to shares on the samba server |
| 05:12.31 | poonj | but I can't login as a domain user |
| 05:12.39 | poonj | it craps out....giving some weird error on the ldap server |
| 05:12.52 | enouf | Haven: and do a /msg dpkg sarge->etch (just like the bot says) |
| 05:13.21 | delewis | ugh. Linux NFS irritates me sometimes. |
| 05:13.27 | poonj | delewis, now...let me ask you this.. |
| 05:13.27 | delewis | well, OK, all of the time. :-) |
| 05:13.38 | poonj | do I have to add users to a particular group? |
| 05:13.45 | poonj | like Domain Users? |
| 05:13.51 | poonj | the GID for a particular user is correct.. |
| 05:14.00 | poonj | but do I have to do something using the net command? |
| 05:14.09 | delewis | whatever user you autheticate to the PDC as to add the machine to the domain needs to be in the Domain Users group, IIRC. |
| 05:14.18 | delewis | and yes, you have to do something with the net command on the server-side. |
| 05:14.41 | poonj | what do you mean by that? |
| 05:14.59 | delewis | you map the user to the Domain Users/Admins group using the net command |
| 05:15.16 | poonj | you mind if I msg you something? |
| 05:15.38 | poonj | my net rpc info |
| 05:15.42 | delewis | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Implement_Samba_as_your_PDC#Configure_Samba |
| 05:15.52 | delewis | that should have everything you need, minus the LDAP issues you're having. |
| 05:16.03 | delewis | look at the usage of the net command |
| 05:16.54 | poonj | it shows that I have no users....groups...or local groupos... |
| 05:17.12 | JordiGH | I really wish my pothead sysadmin would get around to updating the 0.8 version of Firefox in the OpenBSD servers... |
| 05:17.21 | JordiGH | Or 0.7, whatever. |
| 05:17.28 | JordiGH | It crashes on me all the time. :-) |
| 05:17.31 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 05:17.33 | delewis | poonj: hmm, no clue what's going on there. |
| 05:17.52 | poonj | alright |
| 05:18.00 | delewis | even the latest version of Firefox crashes all the time, JordiGH :-) |
| 05:18.07 | delewis | you really aren't missing all that much. |
| 05:18.24 | JordiGH | delewis: No, you don't understand. This one crashes and takes the x server with it. |
| 05:18.37 | delewis | that sounds like more of an X11 server problem. |
| 05:18.54 | delewis | if the X11 server crashes, its the X11 server's problem -- not the application's. |
| 05:19.16 | JordiGH | delewis: Nope, right now it crashes when sshed, but at least it has the decency to die alone. |
| 05:19.44 | JordiGH | Or hey, maybe I'm remoting crashing their x-server. That would be fun. |
| 05:19.51 | JordiGH | remotely |
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| 05:20.14 | delewis | are you just forwarding the X11 display through SSH? |
| 05:20.23 | delewis | in that case you aren't running an X11 server on the OpenBSD system. |
| 05:20.43 | danf_1979 | How to change a MAC address? ifconfig eth0 down | ifconfig hw ether NEW_MAC | ifconfig up ? |
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| 05:20.56 | JordiGH | delewis: Or maybe I'm crashing the X client. Who knows. |
| 05:20.58 | danf_1979 | it says invalid ethernet address |
| 05:21.49 | delewis | JordiGH: that's not really how X11 works. You're running an X11 server on your system that you're SSH'ing from into the OpenBSD system. When Firefox runs, all it knows is the DISPLAY variable, and then it displays on your X11 server at the will of xauth. |
| 05:22.09 | delewis | which SSH has already kindly setup. |
| 05:23.18 | JordiGH | delewis: Yesyesyes... I understand that. When I'm sitting at the OpenBSD terminal, Firefox crashes and takes the OpenBSD's X server with it. When I'm sshed, it crahses but my Debian X server keeps on working fine. |
| 05:23.22 | DB_Blade | you sure? |
| 05:23.26 | delewis | good for some things. bad for other things. |
| 05:23.32 | delewis | like remote Java applications. |
| 05:23.35 | JordiGH | Really? What's wrong with X forwarding? I think it's teh bomb. |
| 05:23.47 | delewis | and it's slow as hell. |
| 05:23.59 | delewis | if you're on a trusted network, xauth is your friend. :-) |
| 05:24.02 | JordiGH | In a LAN it's pretty damn fast. |
| 05:24.15 | delewis | you haven't used unencrypted X11 then :-) |
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| 05:24.40 | JordiGH | I'm a post-Puffy kid. |
| 05:24.50 | JordiGH | rlogin died before I was born. |
| 05:25.47 | delewis | rtools aren't so bad, provided you have some sort of transport encryption. :-) |
| 05:26.20 | delewis | (I still wouldn't use them) |
| 05:26.43 | zebalin4 | n8 folks. thanks for the help. |
| 05:26.55 | enouf | JordiGH: perhaps a corrupt user profile ? ~/.mozilla/... -or- ~/.firefox/... (beneath these). I know I've blown away the /home/username/.mozilla/default/xxxxxxxx.slt/XUL.mfasl file while in another OS |
| 05:27.05 | JordiGH | I think the only time I've used rlogin was when I was playing the dunnet adventure game in Emacs. |
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| 05:27.47 | delewis | I used rsh and friends awhile back for distributed Mathematica and DB2 uses it for database administration parallelization, if you're doing partitioning. |
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| 05:28.15 | delewis | of course, I Kerberized them, which provides 56-bit DES transport encryption, and 128-BIT AES authentication encryption. |
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| 05:28.51 | delewis | that's about the *only* way to use them, IMO. |
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| 05:29.54 | newbcoder | what kernel do I need to be running to run xen? |
| 05:30.15 | JordiGH | Mathematica... I haven't touched that thing in ages.. I use Maxima now. And is Kerberos free? I was exposed to it once in U of Mich in Ann Arbor, but I was young and innocent then. |
| 05:30.27 | delewis | Kerberos has always been free. |
| 05:30.39 | delewis | exportable? no, which is why watered-down versions like Heimdal existed for awhile. |
| 05:31.27 | delewis | there's MIT Kerberos 5, which most implementations are based off of, like Hemidal, SEAM (Solaris Kerberos), NAS (AIX's Network Authentication Service), etc. |
| 05:31.44 | newbcoder | what kernel do I need to be running to run xen? |
| 05:32.08 | delewis | nowadays, Heimdal isn't bad, as it includes DES and all the other pre-non-exportable encryption algorithms. |
| 05:32.11 | DB_Blade | what's the problem? |
| 05:33.28 | JordiGH | What happened to the non-us Debian branch anyways? I missed out on the politics again. |
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| 05:34.59 | grendal_prime | grrrr this raid hardware just stoped working |
| 05:35.02 | grendal_prime | not happy |
| 05:35.05 | DB_Blade | please? |
| 05:35.44 | delewis | people still use hardware RAID? :-) |
| 05:35.59 | delewis | or should I say pseudo-hardware RAID |
| 05:36.02 | grendal_prime | i would use software if i could figer that out |
| 05:36.05 | grendal_prime | DAC960#0: Unable to Enable Memory Mailbox Interface for Controller at |
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| 05:39.20 | d4t2ilL4 | hi |
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| 05:39.51 | d4t2ilL4 | where can i find a custom debian install with newer kernel? |
| 05:40.09 | cast | is there a reason we have unrar-nonfree but not not the free unrar? |
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| 05:42.45 | Coweater | unrar-free, at least in testing and unstable i believe |
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| 05:43.48 | cast | ahh, my bad. assumed packages.debian.org search would return *unrar* when one typed in unrar |
| 05:44.29 | m1ke_l | hi...when i login via gdm, my wheely mouse wont scroll, but if i log in via cli and startx all is fine |
| 05:44.33 | DB_Blade | you sure? |
| 05:44.36 | m1ke_l | any clues where to start to fix this? |
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| 05:46.00 | Chronis_X | m1ke_l if you have gpm maybe it's interfering, so when u start in shell then go startx it uses gpm instead |
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| 05:46.24 | newbcoder | do the xen packages in debian testing work? |
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| 05:46.28 | newbcoder | if so, how do I use them? |
| 05:46.36 | m1ke_l | Chronis_X: thanks, but i don't get it...what? |
| 05:47.00 | Chronis_X | m1ke_l do you have a mouse pointer/cursor on console, without entering X? |
| 05:47.15 | xri | Guys I have a problem, I just installed gnome with debian etch, and everything's choppy, like when I scroll, or when I expand/move windows...what's going on???? |
| 05:47.32 | m1ke_l | not sure....don't think i've ever tried it |
| 05:47.36 | DB_Blade | what's the problem? |
| 05:47.37 | m1ke_l | is that what gpm is? |
| 05:47.43 | cast | xri: no video acceleration? |
| 05:47.46 | Chronis_X | yeah, you probably don't have it so my idea probably doesn't help |
| 05:47.56 | m1ke_l | ok...thanks for playing anyway |
| 05:48.02 | xri | cast: It works smooth with fedora, windows... |
| 05:48.26 | m1ke_l | xri: was it only gnome? did you apt-get gnome and nothing else? |
| 05:48.32 | m1ke_l | did xorg.conf get modified? |
| 05:48.43 | cast | xri: so what x server driver are you using? |
| 05:48.59 | xri | m1ke_l: I just used apt-get xorg, apt-get gnome, apt-get gdm |
| 05:49.03 | liable | d4t2ilL4: for sarge? |
| 05:49.05 | xri | cast: read above |
| 05:50.12 | liable | xri: do you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 05:50.16 | cast | xri: ..i'm confused. you didn...ahh nevermind. |
| 05:50.20 | liable | and -glx |
| 05:50.25 | xri | I have no idea |
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| 05:50.33 | xri | cast: ? |
| 05:50.51 | sanmarcos | is there any good dictionary console apps, like google define: ? |
| 05:50.55 | DB_Blade | ok |
| 05:50.57 | liable | xri: dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 05:51.25 | xri | liable: libgl1-mesa-dr <none> |
| 05:51.45 | liable | dri |
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| 05:52.42 | xri | liable: Should I get it? and if so, what do I apt-get |
| 05:52.49 | vick | How do i create a directory link ? |
| 05:53.15 | cast | vick: man ln |
| 05:53.16 | liable | xri: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 05:53.24 | m1ke_l | vick: you mean like a "shortcut"? |
| 05:53.29 | m1ke_l | to a directory? |
| 05:53.31 | xri | liable: ok, then do I need to reboot? |
| 05:53.34 | liable | no |
| 05:53.38 | DB_Blade | what's wrong now? |
| 05:54.00 | liable | xri: try restarting x though . ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 05:54.03 | Chronis_X | anyone have a clue how to use Twin? if it says no display drivers found, run as 'twin -hw=<display>' |
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| 05:55.22 | xri | liable: still choppy |
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| 05:55.41 | liable | xri: can put you xorg log on a paster? |
| 05:55.53 | xri | liable: where's the file? |
| 05:56.08 | liable | xri: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:57.31 | xri | liable: http://rafb.net/paste/results/nBgXG686.html |
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| 06:00.14 | liable | xri: looks like your sync ranges are out, dunno if thats whats causing the choppiness though |
| 06:01.14 | xri | and wtf, my refresh rate is set to 65, it's usually at 75 |
| 06:01.23 | xri | and I can't change it |
| 06:03.19 | grendelson | I used to do this all the time - but honestly it's been YEARS. I have to get a 56K USR modem working to send faxes. I have enabled the serial ports adn standard irq4 and 3 but they dont appear when I reboot. What did I miss? |
| 06:03.31 | grendelson | I have debian testing kernel 2.6.15 standard package.... |
| 06:04.04 | grendelson | setserial /dev/ttyS0 gives me an input out error |
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| 06:05.12 | grendelson | dmesg | grep tty returns nada :-( Are serial ports disabled in new kernels by default? |
| 06:05.51 | sanmarcos | nada ,mi amigo, nada, y nadie mas en este universo!! |
| 06:05.52 | liable | would think so |
| 06:05.56 | DB_Blade | sanmarcos, are you sure? |
| 06:06.43 | grendelson | sanmarcos, Pablo Neruda? |
| 06:06.58 | grendelson | I thought he died :-) |
| 06:07.00 | sanmarcos | Noboru, just made it up |
| 06:07.04 | DB_Blade | please? |
| 06:08.10 | grendelson | I started in debian back in the day building boxes using coyote floppies to give people dial out routers. Now I'm staring at this hunk of platic 56K and can't even recall where to start :-) (broadband has dulled my wits :-) |
| 06:08.26 | liable | heh |
| 06:08.49 | ApTek | grendelson: You start by calling Cox. :) |
| 06:10.42 | enouf | grendelson: using KDE? if so try kdeprintFax -- external USR? or Internal winmodem? |
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| 06:12.36 | grendelson | enouf, External 56K USR modem. Used lots years ago - just pulled out of old box - still lit up :-) Gnome. No IRQs used (3 or4) in /proc/interrupts. |
| 06:12.56 | sanmarcos | so anybody know of a good dictionary console apps, like google define: ? |
| 06:13.00 | DB_Blade | ok |
| 06:13.12 | grendelson | I see no evidence of the serial ports even getting located at boot :-( |
| 06:13.26 | grendelson | I double checkd BIOS and htey are manuall set to IO IRQ - NOT Auto... |
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| 06:14.30 | enouf | grendelson: what's ~$ cat /proc/ioports say about "serial" |
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| 06:15.08 | grendelson | 02f8-02ff : serial |
| 06:15.08 | grendelson | 03f8-03ff : serial |
| 06:15.25 | grendelson | SO it sees io ports! but no IRQs in use at this time... |
| 06:15.27 | grendelson | hmmm |
| 06:15.31 | cydork | sanmarcos: dict is the best linux offer |
| 06:15.45 | sanmarcos | cydork, we are in oven then |
| 06:16.18 | Guerin | sanmarcos: on a networked machine you can probably write a simple script to actually ask google |
| 06:16.23 | cydork | sanmarcos: huh? |
| 06:16.25 | enouf | grendelson: Same here on Sid (2.6.16-2) |
| 06:16.50 | cydork | Guerin: why when dict is there ???? :P |
| 06:16.54 | sanmarcos | Guerin, I had that thought, Guerin, I did, but I think google will do for now |
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| 06:17.06 | Guerin | cydork: sounds like he wants something more comprehensive than dict |
| 06:17.12 | sanmarcos | I dont feel like wasting my brain learning the google api or parsing html |
| 06:17.26 | grendelson | enouf, But you have serial comms? |
| 06:18.23 | enouf | grendelson: Yep -- but haven't tried using the fax until now -- but it's an Internal 3com USR PCI WinModem |
| 06:18.45 | enouf | grendelson: Can't say for sure if it works though :( |
| 06:20.11 | enouf | Someone throw out a USA fax tele that I can spam while trying to get this Fax to work -- hehehe |
| 06:20.51 | enouf | grendelson: What's GNOME's equivalent for kdePrintFax? |
| 06:21.10 | grendelson | Umm Gnome Fax? I'm guessing as I haven't gotten that far :-( |
| 06:21.58 | enouf | grendelson: See if you can invoke anything in /usr/bin/fax (use sudo -- or as root) |
| 06:22.26 | grendelson | enouf, progress - I'm goofing with setserial and now I actually get back a result from ttyS0. |
| 06:22.36 | grendelson | /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 |
| 06:22.47 | enouf | grendelson: right ttyS0, ttyS1 |
| 06:22.56 | enouf | grendelson: Cool |
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| 06:25.51 | grendelson | OK looks like my external modem is actually on ttyS1 ! echoing atdt3333 to it made it light up and dial:-) Oh I feel so young ( I last did this in my 20's :-) |
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| 06:26.24 | Supaplex | where are the user space linux peeps hiding? I don't recall what other aliases it may go by. |
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| 06:27.28 | newbcoder | Supaplex, u need uml help? |
| 06:27.34 | enouf | grendelson: I haven't done it in years myself and feel real ignorant now, especially since moving up to sid and 'udev' |
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| 06:27.50 | Supaplex | that's the name! how could I forget. :) |
| 06:28.39 | grendelson | enouf, Well the fax modem responds - so I'm off to get some faxing done - Have to make my epson scanner work now. I found some howtos on faxing multipage docs with a flatbed scanner. time to read! |
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| 06:29.48 | newbcoder | lls |
| 06:29.56 | Supaplex | I wonder if uml will build or run in ppc macos. |
| 06:32.18 | enouf | grendelson: Cool -- FWIW use 'hal-device | grep -i serial' for info if using "udev" and Hal |
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| 06:34.06 | cast | Supaplex: how could it? |
| 06:34.15 | grendelson | hal-device | egrep -serial | egrep tty |
| 06:34.18 | grendelson | returned |
| 06:34.25 | grendelson | serial.device = '/dev/ttyS0' (string) |
| 06:34.25 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.38 | grendelson | Just looking for serial returned TONS of info! |
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| 06:36.10 | hid3 | Morning everyone. How can I kill a dead socket? (My NTPd crashed, however, it left one socket listening on an ip and I can't start ntpd again) |
| 06:36.55 | enouf | grendelson: yeah -- I refined mine eventually too -- thought you were off.... |
| 06:36.58 | DB_Blade | ok |
| 06:37.35 | grendelson | just installing hylafax now ... |
| 06:37.59 | grendelson | Don't know how far I'll get this am (130 am here!) |
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| 06:38.39 | enouf | grendelson: hylafax ?? gnome? |
| 06:39.24 | grendelson | enouf, gfax as well.. MY thought was to install hylafax so I could fax use my windows machines and win hylafax clientts to just print docs to the fax... |
| 06:40.35 | enouf | grendelson: ok -- also found this command now "lshal" -- so 'lshal | grep tty' ;-) |
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| 06:42.48 | grendelson | enouf, Ahh uch better! |
| 06:43.08 | ongeboren | hi, any ideas why i can't read from /dev/hdb with dd ? it's my cdrom.. funny enough i can mount it and read it, but cannot use dd on it.. |
| 06:43.18 | enouf | grendelson: ^_^ |
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| 06:43.29 | Supaplex | ongeboren: are you root? |
| 06:44.14 | Supaplex | the user option in fstab may allow you to mount it as non root anyway. :) |
| 06:44.57 | ongeboren | Supaplex, yes, i tried it as root |
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| 06:45.30 | Supaplex | well, do you get an error or something? Don't tell us "nothing" happens... |
| 06:45.42 | ongeboren | it says Input/output error |
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| 06:47.25 | Supaplex | sounds like no media, but if it mounts.. dirty media? the conv=noerror may get past it. Let's just hope you don't get a dma deadlock like I've had before. :) |
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| 06:48.22 | ongeboren | humm, it's actually an audio cd.. let me try with a data cd to see if it makes any difference |
| 06:48.58 | Supaplex | that might be why. :P |
| 06:49.12 | Supaplex | hello digital audio extraction. hehe |
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| 06:49.15 | DB_Blade | what's so funny? |
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| 06:49.18 | soesla | no kde secure shell (kssh) for debian? no package for it? |
| 06:49.21 | DB_Blade | please? |
| 06:49.27 | cahoot | ongeboren: you acually mean you managed to mount the audio cd? |
| 06:49.57 | Supaplex | soesla: but why? why not konsole or xterm and ssh? |
| 06:50.21 | Supaplex | maybe his kernel translates the redbook into a filesystem. |
| 06:50.28 | Supaplex | I think i've seen that option. |
| 06:50.29 | soesla | Supaplex: more friendly and more info. |
| 06:51.14 | ongeboren | oh.. the data cd is just fine.. but what's wrong with the audio cd? it's the first time i have to use dd on an audio cd with kernel 2.6, 2.4 had no problems with that.. |
| 06:51.30 | Supaplex | did you search for it? (apt-file, apt-cache etc) |
| 06:51.48 | soesla | Supaplex: u talking to me? |
| 06:51.57 | Supaplex | ongeboren: the only way to extract the audio off an audio cd is with digital audio extraction. |
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| 06:52.05 | Supaplex | yes soesla. |
| 06:52.10 | soesla | i try to install kssh but it is not there. |
| 06:52.11 | ongeboren | Supaplex, like cdparanoia ? |
| 06:52.19 | Supaplex | ongeboren: yea, that'll work. |
| 06:52.39 | ongeboren | it took quite some hours last time i used it.. |
| 06:52.47 | Supaplex | soesla: maybe it's not availble to your sources.list. try packages.debian.org. |
| 06:53.03 | Supaplex | ongeboren: do you have a faster drive now? |
| 06:53.29 | soesla | wth, i can live without it. |
| 06:53.35 | ongeboren | Supaplex, the next logical question would be.. why all the gui programs for cd duplication use dd and fail to copy anything.. |
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| 06:54.34 | Supaplex | ongeboren: bad design I guess. Maybe it assumed you wanted a data cd. I've never bothered with the audio stuff. |
| 06:54.45 | ongeboren | let's see, the last time i used cdparanoia it was 40x, the one i have on this laptop is an old 8x cdrw :) it should be _slow_ |
| 06:55.06 | Supaplex | there are lots of conditions that affect the speed. |
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| 06:55.19 | ongeboren | Supaplex, gnomebaker.. it has a separate "copy audio cd" button and still fails :) |
| 06:55.42 | Supaplex | maybe you were encoding mp3s on the fly, maybe the media was dirty, maybe your pc was slow anyway, maybe .... this that... etc. 100s fo things.. |
| 06:55.58 | Supaplex | check bts, or file a new bug report if it's not already there. |
| 06:56.00 | ongeboren | i know.. it's mostly damaged surface.. like i care if one bit it 0 instead of 1 |
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| 07:01.38 | Supaplex | I'd imagine there's some command line option to make a best effort with only x tries max per sector... |
| 07:03.04 | cast | ddrescue > dd, when you're dding from corrupted media :) |
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| 07:04.54 | Prudhvi | Hi, how do i create my Own Debian ISO ( with Custom Packages ) so that i can install them on my Harddisk |
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| 07:05.12 | Supaplex | cast: I once made a cross breed ftp+dd client to rescue data off a drive. Had to RMA the bugger. It'd only work for 15min at a time, so I took 15min chunks out of it between rest periods. netcat was so efficent (over plain ftp) that the win2k server I had to dump the images on strained to keep up. :) |
| 07:05.28 | Supaplex | the ftp client was in netcat and expect hehe |
| 07:05.45 | ongeboren | the man page refers to disabling the extra checks, which makes it operate like cdda2wav.. |
| 07:06.19 | liable | !custom netinst |
| 07:06.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 07:06.24 | liable | Prudhvi: ^^ |
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| 07:06.54 | Prudhvi | liable: thanks |
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| 07:13.22 | NaufraGo | does anybody know how can I change my ip address to a specific one? |
| 07:13.29 | sanmarcos | NaufraGo, ifconfig |
| 07:13.37 | sanmarcos | NaufraGo, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:13.37 | Katai | man ifconfig |
| 07:13.48 | Katai | man interfaces :P |
| 07:14.00 | sanmarcos | man sucks for newbies |
| 07:14.07 | sanmarcos | you learn to love it when you advanced |
| 07:15.34 | Supaplex | man is for dummies (yes, me to) |
| 07:15.51 | liable | or /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 07:15.58 | Supaplex | woman on the other hand.... |
| 07:16.12 | NaufraGo | if I change my ip address by that way, will my inet connection work? |
| 07:16.35 | Prudhvi | NaufraGo: you have to call your ISP and tell them about the IP change :P |
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| 07:17.04 | Supaplex | that's like asking us if your next blind date will work. How are we suppose to know? |
| 07:17.22 | Prudhvi | Supaplex: :) |
| 07:17.58 | Supaplex | if it's the same settings you use now, maybe... if you screw up the config, most likely no. etc etc. |
| 07:18.55 | NaufraGo | Prudhvi, another way? |
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| 07:19.58 | liable | NaufraGo: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 07:21.46 | NaufraGo | havemy own permanent IP address for my web server |
| 07:21.58 | NaufraGo | have my.... |
| 07:22.38 | NaufraGo | liable, any idea? |
| 07:22.52 | Prudhvi | NaufraGo: if you do it right and the inet connection is working editing /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/init.d/networking restart should work |
| 07:23.19 | liable | NaufraGo: from behing a lan router or from your isp? |
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| 07:23.28 | liable | behiind |
| 07:23.33 | liable | gah |
| 07:23.39 | liable | behind.. |
| 07:24.20 | liable | NaufraGo: if you have a dynamic ip from your isp, look at getting a dyndns account or something |
| 07:25.12 | NaufraGo | yes, I have dynamic ip, and I don't like services like dyndns |
| 07:25.32 | liable | then you need to ask your isp for a static one |
| 07:26.16 | NaufraGo | isn't there any way to chnage or, just make a mask, image of my ip? |
| 07:26.24 | NaufraGo | change |
| 07:26.33 | sanmarcos | what? just pay for a static ip |
| 07:26.40 | sanmarcos | quality = money |
| 07:26.51 | finn_ | DynDNS |
| 07:26.58 | sanmarcos | dyndns is grrrrrrreaaaat |
| 07:27.08 | sanmarcos | NaufraGo, freedns.afraid.org |
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| 07:28.17 | Tallu | NaufraGo: you cant make a dynamic ip a static one without asking your isp to set it up for you |
| 07:28.20 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 07:28.36 | mateuszk | Is the bug with dri fixed ? |
| 07:29.18 | NaufraGo | ok, thanks |
| 07:29.20 | mateuszk | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 |
| 07:29.21 | mateuszk | ? |
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| 07:29.42 | alex___ | hahah, anyone seen ads to this new Pulse movie? |
| 07:29.45 | sanmarcos | mateuszk, only the lord, check apt-listbugs |
| 07:29.48 | alex___ | "There are people in my computer!" |
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| 07:31.18 | liable | mateuszk: if it doesnt say so on bts, then no |
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| 07:32.11 | gimbal | I've been getting messages from aptitude and apt-get, about untrusted packages; I recall that someone had mentioned a command that may be used to 'fix thatl |
| 07:32.13 | gimbal | erg |
| 07:32.44 | gimbal | so, I'm hitting RET too soon; wondering : what can be done to get over that 'untrusted packages' message? |
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| 07:34.08 | ma3x | hey I installed gpm and still can't get the mouse working |
| 07:34.16 | ma3x | I need the mouse in the console |
| 07:34.35 | ma3x | I tried what dpkg says but doesnt work |
| 07:34.37 | mha13 | where can i ask for adding some package ? (i have the source but im not the devloper) |
| 07:34.47 | ma3x | should I install some other packages? |
| 07:35.38 | mha13 | ma3x:what kind of mouse (usb,ps2 ? ) |
| 07:35.42 | ma3x | mha13 usb |
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| 07:36.33 | ma3x | and i think I have udev and I should purge hotplug |
| 07:36.38 | mortal | is there any ddable image which I could write to a hd and the next boot it would boot and install debian |
| 07:36.40 | ma3x | does that make any difference? |
| 07:36.54 | mateuszk | liable, I cant track that bug.. however it states on a diffrent page that fix should be in cvs long time ago.. and to check debian-bugreport |
| 07:37.05 | liable | mortal: do you already have a *nix installed? |
| 07:37.19 | mortal | liable: yes |
| 07:37.55 | liable | mortal: just get the hd-media kernel and initrd, and add the neccesaary lines to menu.lst. check the install guide for details |
| 07:37.58 | mha13 | ma3x:do you have device for your mice ? like /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux ? |
| 07:38.33 | mateuszk | liable, http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mesa-devel/2006-May/000104.html |
| 07:38.39 | ma3x | mha13 I just did ls and it's there |
| 07:38.42 | mateuszk | liable, thats the same problem I have |
| 07:38.46 | mha13 | ma3x i don't know about udev and hotplug |
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| 07:39.39 | mha13 | ma3x: try cat /dev/psaux or cat /dev/input/mice and move your mice see if any of them start writing stufff to the screen |
| 07:40.11 | liable | mateuszk: thats an old bug, why dont you just upgrade and see if its fixed? |
| 07:40.14 | mha13 | ma3x: if not you proboaly didn't load the kernel driver for your mice |
| 07:41.35 | ma3x | mha13 /dev/input/mice: no such device |
| 07:41.38 | ma3x | but the file exists |
| 07:42.01 | mha13 | ma3x: you should load : usbhid,uhci_hcd,psmouse |
| 07:42.24 | mha13 | ma3x:just to be sure you don't see the coursor at all yes ? |
| 07:42.31 | ma3x | mha13 why are they not automatically loaded? |
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| 07:42.58 | mha13 | ma3x:some times they don't like in 2.6.17 |
| 07:43.24 | ma3x | mha13 those modules dont exist |
| 07:43.33 | ma3x | I should probably try booting with a newer image, yes? |
| 07:43.39 | mha13 | ma3x: did you just upgrade your sys ? |
| 07:43.50 | ma3x | mha13 just installed it fresh |
| 07:43.56 | ma3x | I am doing the upgrade now |
| 07:44.05 | mha13 | ma3x: oo it is clear now .. |
| 07:44.18 | ma3x | what is clear? |
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| 07:44.59 | mha13 | ma3x: after you reboot to your new kernel load usbhid,uhci_hcd psmouse and input if they won't be loaded |
| 07:45.18 | ma3x | okay thanks |
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| 07:45.45 | mha13 | ma3x: when you upgrade your kernel modules are delkated so becouse of that you don't have any mouse .. now |
| 07:45.57 | mha13 | ma3x:np |
| 07:46.28 | mha13 | i had found realy cool old package how can i send to the main mirros |
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| 07:46.57 | ma3x | hey I just did a mistake: what image should I install for amd athlon? |
| 07:47.18 | mha13 | ma3x: k7 |
| 07:47.20 | ma3x | just from the habit of installing on the other computer, I installed 686 |
| 07:47.23 | ma3x | k7? |
| 07:47.29 | ma3x | thanks a lot again mha13 |
| 07:47.35 | mha13 | ma3x: np |
| 07:47.45 | mateuszk | liable, is Mesa 6.5 somewhere in debian ? |
| 07:48.41 | mateuszk | liable, uff in experimental thx god |
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| 07:48.58 | mha13 | if i run win from qemu could i use native win drivers ? |
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| 07:49.19 | mateuszk | mha13, I dont think so |
| 07:49.27 | mateuszk | mha13, only with vmware etc.. |
| 07:49.44 | mha13 | mateuszk:oo thnx .. |
| 07:49.45 | mateuszk | mha13, you can use windows drivers for network device nativly with ndiswrapper |
| 07:49.57 | mateuszk | mha13, and thats the only exception... |
| 07:49.59 | mha13 | mateuszk:i need to use printer driver |
| 07:50.13 | Guerin | ndiswrappe!=natively |
| 07:50.31 | alex___ | although, I gotta say, ndiswrapper works pretty well imo |
| 07:50.44 | mateuszk | Guerin, on their web it states like on windows |
| 07:50.50 | mateuszk | Guerin, and nativly |
| 07:51.00 | mha13 | it is realy sad that i need to install a new distro oops Windows just for the prointer :'-( |
| 07:51.02 | Guerin | it's not natively if you have to use a wrapper |
| 07:51.07 | Guerin | i don't care what they *say* |
| 07:51.20 | alex___ | What is it, a wireless card? |
| 07:51.24 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:51.30 | Guerin | a braindead one with no spec released |
| 07:51.35 | alex___ | just get one of the well-supported ones |
| 07:51.50 | alex___ | if it were built in to your laptop, yeah, ndiswrapper is an option, but vote with your dollar here |
| 07:51.53 | sng | Guerin!!! Bela Lugosi's dead!!! |
| 07:52.00 | alex___ | omg |
| 07:52.41 | Guerin | sng: hasn't he been dead for ages? |
| 07:52.43 | psychonate | er, I thought Dracula was immortal |
| 07:52.48 | mateuszk | alex___, I have DWL-G650+ with acx111 but I use ndiswrapper because acx111 doesnt work well, and I can use WPA |
| 07:53.10 | sng | Guerin: I'm listening to Bauhaus. :) |
| 07:53.20 | sng | But yes yes he has. |
| 07:53.24 | alex___ | I have an intel ipw2200bg, and I use knetworkmanager |
| 07:53.27 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:53.29 | alex___ | supports WPA etc etc |
| 07:53.35 | alex___ | works well |
| 07:53.48 | liable | who the fuck are you talking about? |
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| 07:54.06 | Guerin | mmm |
| 07:54.11 | Guerin | roastbeef in the oven |
| 07:54.24 | psychonate | Guerin, I prefer it on the plate myself |
| 07:54.41 | liable | i was gonna have corned beef tonight, but to hungover to cook :( |
| 07:54.48 | psychonate | hah |
| 07:56.00 | Guerin | psychonate: not just yet you wouldn't |
| 07:56.08 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:56.19 | Guerin | can one of you merkans explain what a pot roast is? |
| 07:56.39 | Guerin | i mean |
| 07:56.45 | Guerin | pot goes well with any roast |
| 07:56.51 | Guerin | but I don't think that's what it means |
| 07:57.01 | liable | little? |
| 07:57.23 | sng | Guerin: http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season4/Chuck/ChuckTranscript.htm |
| 07:57.36 | Guerin | sng: oh, that's a pot roast? |
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| 07:57.45 | Guerin | i remember that episode, he wraps the thing in foil |
| 07:57.49 | sng | Guerin: A damn good one yes. |
| 07:58.06 | sng | Guerin: yeah, well ab is almost never normal. Bugt yeah. |
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| 07:58.21 | sng | Taht beig why i love him of course. |
| 07:58.26 | Guerin | so basically you cook it in a pot? where's the roasting come in? |
| 07:59.01 | sng | Guerin: roast being the cut. Odd i know bugt what are you gonna do. |
| 07:59.17 | Guerin | huh. ok. |
| 08:00.04 | tvn | what do I use to view dvi file ? |
| 08:04.29 | Guerin | tvn: TiffOn dvi viewer |
| 08:04.36 | Guerin | tvn: apt-cache search dvi |
| 08:04.39 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:04.42 | Guerin | stupid lag |
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| 08:08.40 | ma3x | why is it impossible to install kde? |
| 08:08.42 | ma3x | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 08:08.44 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.48 | ma3x | and so on... |
| 08:09.08 | eastwood | apt-get install kdebase |
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| 08:09.28 | eastwood | post your sources |
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| 08:12.24 | mha13 | ma3x:install kdm |
| 08:12.47 | Guerin | ma3x: because unstable is unstable |
| 08:13.54 | mha13 | ma3x: their is no such thing as inposilble you just don't _yet _ how to make it posible |
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| 08:17.54 | ice_1963 | is kde that bad in sid's ? |
| 08:18.50 | mha13 | ice_1963:nope .. it is pretty good |
| 08:19.03 | Coweater | sid is just that bad on a whole |
| 08:20.39 | ice_1963 | well i installed gnome today from sid and it's good :) |
| 08:20.46 | mha13 | where can i find sid isos todday? |
| 08:21.25 | Coweater | !sid iso |
| 08:21.26 | dpkg | it has been said that sid iso is a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. |
| 08:22.49 | ice_1963 | mha13, jest add it to your sources.list |
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| 08:23.48 | komposter | you can add in sourse.list etch |
| 08:24.08 | mha13 | ice_1963: im runnig sid now . the issue is that some times i need to install and upgrade to testing/unstable |
| 08:24.25 | mha13 | ice_1963: so i prefer to install right away from sid . |
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| 08:24.44 | ice_1963 | hmm ok |
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| 08:25.46 | mha13 | how do i fix the acpi issues on amd ? |
| 08:26.00 | ice_1963 | mha13, hay are you running kde? |
| 08:26.15 | mha13 | ice_1963: yep .. |
| 08:27.53 | ice_1963 | look's like i need to stop useing debian.org |
| 08:28.04 | ice_1963 | us |
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| 08:29.12 | mha13 | ice_1963: why ? |
| 08:29.36 | vick | what is the package name of man pages of printf, scanf, etc.. (C functions) ? |
| 08:30.15 | ice_1963 | well you can not install kde at all from sid |
| 08:30.26 | Guerin | nobody NEEDS unstable |
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| 08:31.18 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:32.58 | mha13 | Guerin:nobady user is disabled as adefault ,beter write root NEEDS unstable |
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| 08:35.03 | fando | help, what's wrong with cups right now? I upgraded and get this |
| 08:35.16 | fando | Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited on signal 15! |
| 08:37.12 | fando | i don't seem to have /etc/cupsd.conf, why didn't the package install one? |
| 08:37.12 | mha13 | fando: signal 15 is task kill signal |
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| 08:39.01 | liable | fando: it usually in /etc/cups/ |
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| 08:39.51 | fando | yes, but I tried re-installing and I get this |
| 08:39.54 | fando | Setting up cupsys (1.2.2-1) ... |
| 08:39.55 | fando | chown: cannot access `/etc/cups/cupsd.conf': No such file or directory |
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| 08:40.36 | wtj | cupsys? |
| 08:40.43 | fando | yes |
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| 08:40.56 | liable | fando: did you delete that file previously? |
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| 08:41.23 | fando | yes I had a cupsd.conf but I removed the entire cups system out of frustration |
| 08:41.29 | liable | hah |
| 08:41.30 | fando | and tried to reinstall from scratch |
| 08:41.40 | fando | why doesn't it just work? |
| 08:41.40 | liable | !tell fando about confmiss |
| 08:41.47 | liable | fando: dont delete shit |
| 08:42.02 | fando | ok, I'll try that |
| 08:43.13 | fando | this is a bit arcane, I've been using debian for what, 6 years and didn't realize this |
| 08:43.55 | fando | it works thanks |
| 08:44.12 | liable | cool |
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| 08:44.51 | fando | now to get the dumb brother .deb to work :( |
| 08:45.27 | liable | of 2 brothers i have used, they both worked fine (the .deb drivers) |
| 08:45.47 | liable | just follow there install thing |
| 08:46.00 | fando | they worked for me until recently, don't know what happened other than a dist-upgrade |
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| 08:46.34 | fando | also their .deb doesn't work anymore, they try to invoke /etc/init.d/cupsd when it's now cupsys |
| 08:47.13 | liable | iirc, thats not fatal, i think i had that problem |
| 08:47.27 | fando | yeah I'm just going to poke around until it works :) |
| 08:47.32 | liable | email them and let them know :) |
| 08:47.42 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:47.53 | Guerin | my mum's brother mfc something works 100% perfectly |
| 08:48.14 | bioniclinux | hi, Gentoo has an excellent HOW TO wiki, is there such a thing for Debian? I am trying to figure out certain thing but it`s like being lost in google |
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| 08:48.33 | valdyn | !ig |
| 08:48.33 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 08:48.38 | valdyn | !debian reference |
| 08:48.39 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 08:48.43 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 08:48.43 | dpkg | methinks refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 08:48.45 | liable | bioniclinux: debian-administartion.org is a nice site |
| 08:48.59 | liable | kinda wiki thing |
| 08:49.14 | bioniclinux | liable: thanks will look there :-) |
| 08:49.50 | liable | bioniclinux: the debian reference is also a very good doc if you are new to debian |
| 08:50.21 | liable | see above |
| 08:50.36 | bioniclinux | thanks again |
| 08:52.25 | bioniclinux | my X has fake borders I believe they are called Virtual Desktop, how can I disable that? |
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| 09:00.51 | tdn | Does anyone use RoundCube Webmail in Debian? I am using it but attached files does not work. I am guessing that this has something to do with file permissions, but I don't get any usefull information from the error log. |
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| 09:01.44 | sjau | hiya, how can I check if a service runs/listens to a port? |
| 09:02.17 | Guerin | sjau: netstat -plaunt |
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| 09:02.30 | Guerin | http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/072906/linux-dog.gif |
| 09:02.32 | sjau | Thx Guerin |
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| 09:04.12 | holycow | *hmm* |
| 09:04.19 | holycow | how do i list users and groups on a box? |
| 09:04.30 | holycow | nm |
| 09:05.43 | liable | cat /etc/passwd |
| 09:05.51 | liable | oh, nm, nm :) |
| 09:07.21 | fando | crap my printer simply isn't responding |
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| 09:08.31 | krins | hi all |
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| 09:08.59 | krins | am trying to install debain on hp machine |
| 09:09.01 | fando | oh hm, maybe the usb port is wrong |
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| 09:09.15 | krins | it has sata drive but debain wont pick taht drive |
| 09:09.16 | krins | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-64287-89301-321860-f49-457124.html |
| 09:09.27 | krins | check my system specs here |
| 09:11.06 | krins | anu idea |
| 09:11.08 | nima | why is libdvdcss nonexistant? |
| 09:11.10 | krins | any idea |
| 09:11.31 | cast | nima: it is illegal in alot of places |
| 09:11.46 | cast | nima: [maybe? or am i just thinking of decss] |
| 09:12.06 | nima | libdvdcss has never been faught over in court |
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| 09:13.37 | liable | nima: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh |
| 09:13.56 | nima | why no more package? |
| 09:14.05 | liable | ask debian-legal |
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| 09:14.21 | liable | or read the libdvdread3 docs.. |
| 09:14.29 | nima | thanks |
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| 09:17.22 | Flakk | hello people I have a problem installing debian from the network. The problem is that my ISP provides a PPPoE access, and the installer does not like it, so that it does not succeed to fetch the packets form the NET any help? |
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| 09:21.25 | wtj | what kind of PPPoE? |
| 09:21.29 | wtj | ADSL? |
| 09:21.53 | Flakk | wtj: no this is a cable connection |
| 09:22.24 | bioniclinux | how can I disable the virtual desktop in X? It's really annoying |
| 09:22.29 | Maulkin | Flakk: So, I assume you have a cable modem? |
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| 09:22.49 | wtj | i have only ADSL connection here and it was running well under 2.6.16 |
| 09:22.50 | Maulkin | bioniclinux: That's done by your window manager. What are you running? |
| 09:23.02 | bioniclinux | fluxbox |
| 09:23.08 | bioniclinux | Maulking I am running fluxbox |
| 09:23.21 | Flakk | maulkin: I do not have a modem. I have a cable connected to somewhere in the house |
| 09:23.28 | cahoot | bioniclinux: got more than one resolution defined? |
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| 09:23.44 | mae_ | will scripts in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ directory always be loaded before any interface? or do i have to specify something in /etc/network/interfaces to take advantage of this? |
| 09:23.48 | bioniclinux | cahoot: yeah but I've already cycled through them all |
| 09:23.49 | Maulkin | bioniclinux: Not sure under fluxbox I'm afraid. There shoudl be a preference item somewhere though |
| 09:23.55 | wtj | to Flakk:make sure your ISP use pppoe protocol |
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| 09:23.57 | Flakk | wtj: it is nto question of running under deb, it runs ok when installed this is a question about INSTALLING |
| 09:24.05 | bioniclinux | and all of them have virtual desktop |
| 09:24.13 | krins | helo |
| 09:24.14 | cahoot | bioniclinux: order the resolutions from high -> low |
| 09:24.22 | krins | any one there |
| 09:24.26 | Maulkin | !ask |
| 09:24.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:24.29 | Flakk | wtj: this is sure since now i am connected through pppoeconf |
| 09:24.35 | wtj | then use a debian live CD to install |
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| 09:25.15 | wtj | i have suucessfully get on the internet use a debian-based linux tooo |
| 09:25.25 | whadar | hello has anyone played with debian live? it doesnt work when i try running it from qemu (as the wiki suggests) |
| 09:25.26 | wtj | that's a live-cd |
| 09:25.35 | wtj | called GRML-Linux |
| 09:25.40 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:25.41 | Flakk | what d u mean by live cd |
| 09:25.43 | liable | Flakk: cant you just install base and then use ppoeconf? |
| 09:25.45 | bioniclinux | cahoot: it's like that already |
| 09:25.50 | Mazingaro | there's no update for kde yet... :( |
| 09:25.52 | wtj | search it on google |
| 09:25.57 | wtj | GRML-Linux |
| 09:26.23 | Flakk | liable; i tried this however it did not work |
| 09:26.39 | Flakk | the system does not start |
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| 09:27.07 | wtj | hlive cd is a linux distribution contained in a CD Disk which dont require HDD space to run |
| 09:27.29 | wtj | :-)im a newbie too |
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| 09:27.53 | Flakk | wtj: well i would like to install the debian on the hard d |
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| 09:28.06 | liable | Flakk: why doesnt the system boot? |
| 09:28.34 | vick | There is no 'insight' anymore ? |
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| 09:28.55 | Flakk | liable it is not quite clear to me i would say the xserver does not work, since the ecran stays strangey colored for some time without any message |
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| 09:30.26 | Flakk | liable: but could you explain to me: is this possible at all to install from the net with PPPoE access? |
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| 09:31.15 | liable | Flakk: i dont know actually, i dont think the installer can do pppoe |
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| 09:31.42 | whadar | hmm... what's the su password in debian live? |
| 09:31.43 | liable | have never seen any option for it anyway |
| 09:31.53 | liable | whadar: its in there faq |
| 09:31.58 | liable | their |
| 09:31.59 | mha13 | how to add mount -bind to fstab ? |
| 09:32.35 | Flakk | liable: well that is my impression also. So what is your advice? to try again the base-install and then ? |
| 09:32.56 | liable | Flakk: yep, install base (no x) and run pppoeconfig |
| 09:32.58 | krins | helo |
| 09:33.00 | krins | any idea |
| 09:33.07 | krins | guys can any one help me |
| 09:33.12 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 09:33.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little cod liver oil, and 42 three-legged hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 09:33.27 | Flakk | liable: well and then, assuming it works, how do I get the whole of debian? |
| 09:33.37 | krins | how i intsall dedian on SATA/100 |
| 09:33.41 | krins | its hp machine |
| 09:33.46 | MukiEX | Does apt delete packages after it's done installing them? |
| 09:33.55 | Guerin | krins: insert cd, reboot, mash enter many times |
| 09:33.59 | Guerin | MukiEX: no. |
| 09:34.01 | liable | Flakk: if get net up, then just apt-get what you want, or run tasksel |
| 09:34.02 | mha13 | MukiEX: no |
| 09:34.08 | krins | idid |
| 09:34.16 | MukiEX | If not, is there a way to back them up to DVD and turn that disc into a repository? |
| 09:34.29 | mha13 | MukiEX: yep .. |
| 09:34.32 | krins | but when i come to create partiotion it says do partion media found |
| 09:34.34 | MukiEX | Cause that would = win. |
| 09:34.36 | Guerin | why would you? |
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| 09:34.51 | Flakk | liable: is the netinstaller sfficient to get the base-debian? |
| 09:35.01 | Flakk | i mean the small netinstaller disc |
| 09:35.05 | krins | Guerin any idea |
| 09:35.13 | MukiEX | Let's say I'm trying to get a friend into using a debian distro and he uses most of the same apps I do? |
| 09:35.15 | mha13 | MukiEX: just cp /var/cache/apt/archives$ |
| 09:35.17 | liable | Flakk: it will install the base system, yes. no x or any of that stuff though |
| 09:35.23 | whadar | liable: tried what's the FAQ says: su-> debian ... but i get authentication failure |
| 09:35.29 | liable | Flakk: the business iso, no |
| 09:35.31 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 09:35.31 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 09:35.40 | Guerin | krins: ^^ try those |
| 09:35.41 | MukiEX | mha13 : THANKS. =3 How do I generate the list so that it verifies as a repostiory? |
| 09:35.46 | liable | Flakk: the business iso needs internet |
| 09:35.52 | Flakk | liable; what d u mean by the businessiso? |
| 09:35.57 | Flakk | aa ok |
| 09:35.58 | krins | what i try |
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| 09:36.22 | mha13 | MukiEX: s00ry d00d d0n+ kn0w |
| 09:36.52 | Flakk | liable: but with the base system, how do i install x ? is it sufficient to apt-get install gnome? |
| 09:37.03 | krins | Guerin what option i try plz explain |
| 09:37.04 | MukiEX | That's all good, mha13, you've been plenty helpful as it was =3 |
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| 09:37.16 | eastwood | Flakk, apt.get install xserver-xorg |
| 09:37.23 | liable | Flakk: gnome, and x-window-system (oe xorg for etch) |
| 09:37.25 | liable | or |
| 09:37.28 | eastwood | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:37.34 | liable | no |
| 09:37.45 | liable | xserver-xorg doesnt provide all x shits |
| 09:37.48 | Flakk | liable: and by the way how do I install pppoeconf and ppp from the base system?? |
| 09:38.00 | Flakk | without net |
| 09:38.08 | liable | Flakk: ppp is in base though i dunno about pppoe |
| 09:38.17 | sid | Flakk: apt-get install x-window-system-core xorg gnome firefox |
| 09:38.29 | MrMagic | pppoe is in base system |
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| 09:38.49 | Flakk | really? well I shall try now and report :) |
| 09:39.21 | krins | Guerin plz can u explain what options i try |
| 09:39.55 | Guerin | krins: i don't know, but I think you just download and bur that cd and install with 'linux26' |
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| 09:40.40 | krins | i have |
| 09:40.48 | krins | on boot i type linux26 |
| 09:40.55 | krins | it boots up |
| 09:41.05 | krins | bit wont pick hardissk |
| 09:41.07 | whadar | damn...this debian live isnt easy... it is configured to work with: mirror.panthera.lan... |
| 09:41.23 | whadar | for apt-get |
| 09:41.37 | liable | so change it |
| 09:41.51 | liable | oh, i guess thats prolly not easy :) |
| 09:41.51 | mha13 | krins: do you see it in fdisk ? |
| 09:42.11 | whadar | im coming from ubuntu :) |
| 09:42.22 | mha13 | liable:what about vim /etc/apt/source.list |
| 09:42.25 | panthera | whadar: who, really? |
| 09:42.34 | liable | mha13: its a live cd? |
| 09:42.55 | panthera | whadar: the current in the archive has btw two flaws which are fixed in svn, you may want to take that instead. |
| 09:42.55 | whadar | panthera: :) is that your personal mirror or something? lol |
| 09:43.00 | panthera | whadar: yep |
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| 09:43.07 | mha13 | liable:sorry it was for whadar: |
| 09:43.14 | MukiEX | So is there an app that'll look through a folder full of debs and make a repository index with it? |
| 09:43.26 | whadar | mha13: thanks |
| 09:43.38 | azeem | MukiEX: dpkg-scanpackages, e.g. |
| 09:44.03 | MukiEX | Thanks azeem, I just googled that, a conformation is fantastic =3 |
| 09:44.18 | mha13 | whadar: or any other editor that you like .. vi,kate,emecas |
| 09:44.26 | panthera | whadar: no, there's no mirror.panthera.lan inside.. where did you find that?? |
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| 09:45.02 | whadar | panthera: on the current release of debian-live-sid-i386.iso |
| 09:45.06 | panthera | whadar: not in the svn and not in the archive. |
| 09:45.07 | krins | no |
| 09:45.44 | panthera | whadar: ah, ok.. the images are not uptodate |
| 09:45.49 | whadar | http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/current/i386/debian-live-sid-i386.iso |
| 09:46.25 | whadar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.06 | whadar | something with squashfs module... it couldnt find |
| 09:47.15 | krins | mha13 how i see it in fdisk |
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| 09:47.18 | panthera | whadar: the current doesn't make it more recent (it's from 20060721 ;) |
| 09:47.30 | mha13 | krins: fidk -l |
| 09:48.02 | whadar | panthera: well it is quite recent :) is there any stable version? |
| 09:48.05 | panthera | whadar: you did not specifcy the distribution yourself, right? due to current kernel/release things, it does only work with sid. |
| 09:48.14 | robin_sz | sigh .. gtk-gnutella seems so ancient |
| 09:48.25 | krins | no |
| 09:48.31 | krins | nothing displayed |
| 09:48.40 | krins | debain is not installed on that machine |
| 09:48.46 | krins | am trying to do |
| 09:48.49 | panthera | whadar: svn co svn://live.debian.net/live-package && cd live-package && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc && cd .. && sudo dpkg -i *deb && make-live |
| 09:48.59 | whadar | panthera: i didnt specify... and i tried to do it with my dapper amd64 machine with a little backport |
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| 09:49.23 | panthera | whadar: host distribution doesn't matter at all, you only need recent cdebootstrap |
| 09:49.43 | whadar | cdebootstrap from the backport you linked... |
| 09:50.30 | nrdb | I am trying to get a firewall to work. I have setup iptables what I think is correct. I can ping both the firewal NICs but cant ping the ADSL modem. I put LOG actions in all iptables chains, but the ping isn't showing in any of the chains :( how can this be. can anyone help? |
| 09:50.55 | panthera | whadar: never tested it on ubuntu, but it /should/ work anyway. |
| 09:51.38 | whadar | panthera: i will test it in a moment... |
| 09:51.49 | mha13 | good night chanell |
| 09:52.00 | eastwood | night? O_o |
| 09:52.06 | eastwood | 11am... |
| 09:52.16 | eastwood | heh |
| 09:52.31 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.32 | eastwood | d nite 2 u |
| 09:52.33 | krins | no use mha13 |
| 09:52.33 | liable | ever heard of timezones? :P |
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| 09:53.34 | krins | its Serial ATA/100 SMART hard drive |
| 09:53.51 | krins | which i think should pickup by debain |
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| 09:54.53 | liable | krins: if the installer doesnt see the disk, you need a newer kernel |
| 09:54.59 | liable | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 09:55.00 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.15 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 09:55.13 | streuner | liable: there is 2.6.16... |
| 09:55.29 | liable | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 09:55.30 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 09:55.38 | krins | liable its AMD machine |
| 09:55.45 | streuner | !factinfo sarge 2.6.16 |
| 09:55.45 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.16 -- created by stew <~stew@mudskipper.vireo.org> at Tue Jun 27 18:40:45 2006 (32 days); it has been requested 51 times, last by liable, 16s ago. |
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| 09:55.58 | krins | does it counts taht and am installing debain 32 bit |
| 09:56.01 | liable | krins: 386 kernel will install on a amd machine |
| 09:56.34 | krins | yes |
| 09:56.35 | streuner | dpkg, no sarge 2.6.15 <reply> see <sarge 2.6.16> |
| 09:56.38 | krins | that what i think |
| 09:56.48 | krins | but i wont pick the drive |
| 09:56.50 | streuner | dpkg, no sarge 2.6.15 is <reply> see <sarge 2.6.16> |
| 09:56.51 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 09:56.58 | krins | should i download new |
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| 09:57.08 | liable | yes |
| 09:57.21 | krins | here is my machine specs http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-64287-89301-321860-f49-457124.html |
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| 09:57.38 | Somebee | isnt there an opt-package with mysql 5.0?? |
| 09:57.53 | krins | strange i already install deian on AMD machine with ASUS boards and sata drives |
| 09:57.56 | streuner | for sarge visit backports |
| 09:58.03 | krins | can u see that specs |
| 09:58.05 | liable | krins: it is up to you to google the controller and see which kernel supports it, if 2.6.16 does, then get that installer |
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| 09:58.56 | streuner | !tell Somebee about backports |
| 10:01.55 | liable | whats that screensaver with the numbers? |
| 10:01.59 | liable | scrolling? |
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| 10:02.52 | liable | from that movie.. |
| 10:03.07 | liable | i am having a major brain fart and cant remember.. |
| 10:04.32 | liable | ah, the matrix.. |
| 10:04.41 | liable | thanks for nothing guys! :P |
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| 10:13.59 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:13.59 | dpkg | from memory, qotd34 is < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
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| 10:16.04 | Eulex | !qotd136 |
| 10:16.04 | dpkg | from memory, qotd136 is <klien_bottle> anyone have any idea why my fonts look so jaggedy in kde 3.3? <klien_bottle> i think it has to do with antialiasing |
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| 10:16.16 | Eulex | !qotd137 |
| 10:16.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd137 is <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
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| 10:16.35 | txus | hi |
| 10:16.38 | eastwood | heheh |
| 10:16.50 | txus | any with mod_python under apache2 ???? |
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| 10:26.44 | et_2003 | huhu |
| 10:27.32 | et_2003 | how can I find out which reiserfs version I use???? |
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| 10:28.13 | cast | et_2003: dmesg|grep reiser == 'ReiserFS: hda1: found reiserfs format "3.6" with standard journal' |
| 10:28.45 | et_2003 | thank you ;) |
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| 10:48.53 | vessial | hey,guys,i just use the arm-linux-gcc compiling a .asm file,like this ,arm-linux-gcc -c -o crti.o crti.asm,but i capture the result of :linker input file unused because linking not done,so what can i do?thanks |
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| 10:49.25 | liable | !tell efaistos about away |
| 10:49.29 | vessial | help me!!! |
| 10:49.36 | vessial | thanks |
| 10:50.03 | liable | #gcc? |
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| 10:50.17 | liable | woops |
| 10:50.30 | liable | damn nicktab |
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| 10:51.34 | vahid | i-fa |
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| 10:51.41 | vessial | liable:yeah,i just right there,but no people respond |
| 10:52.49 | liable | vessial: patience :) |
| 10:53.53 | liable | vessial: i doubt you'll get much help here, most debianites dont compile much :) try #debian-mentors on oftc maybe |
| 10:54.11 | liable | vessial: seeing as debian compiles for multiple arches |
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| 10:54.47 | vessial | liable:yap,i just use the debian,i just wanna use this platform for R&D |
| 10:54.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:55.04 | Guerin | burnt me roasties |
| 10:55.06 | liable | baaa |
| 10:55.13 | vessial | liable:ok,thanks |
| 10:55.23 | Guerin | and the damn tray fell out of the oven, and my foot got burnt by hot fat |
| 10:55.32 | Guerin | liable: no, cows say 'mooo' |
| 10:55.35 | liable | you burnt the roast! |
| 10:55.52 | Guerin | i did |
| 10:55.52 | Guerin | i admit it |
| 10:55.52 | Guerin | it was still good though |
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| 10:56.11 | liable | Guerin: it sounds a bit weird, but vegimite on a roast is really fucking good (before you cook it) |
| 10:56.16 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:56.22 | Guerin | i mean |
| 10:56.33 | Guerin | i've heard the rumour that any brown sauce will work |
| 10:56.44 | Guerin | and most do - soy, worcestershire, balsamic vinegar |
| 10:56.51 | Guerin | but vegemite is Just Sick |
| 10:56.51 | liable | i was living with a butcher, he did a rolled roast and out vegimite on the ends, it was the tastiest bit |
| 10:57.01 | liable | s/out/put/ |
| 10:57.26 | ma3x | how do I install kde on unstable? |
| 10:57.28 | ma3x | is it broken? |
| 10:57.29 | whadar | what should i apt-get in order to install nfs daemon? |
| 10:57.31 | Guerin | ma3x: you don't |
| 10:57.39 | ma3x | Guerin why not? |
| 10:57.50 | Guerin | ma3x: yes, unstable breaks constantly. if you wnat things to be not broken, you should use not unstable |
| 10:57.57 | liable | cause its broken? :) |
| 10:58.39 | liable | try xfce4, its prolly broken too :) |
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| 10:58.54 | Guerin | i guarantee twm isn't broken |
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| 10:59.50 | worstenboy | hi, i think in an suse enviroment i could do script.sh instead of ./script.sh , also scr would autocompleet, is this a trick for bash ? |
| 11:00.14 | liable | make it +x |
| 11:00.29 | liable | and it will autocomplete |
| 11:00.29 | ma3x | is kde right now not installable on debian sid? |
| 11:01.00 | Guerin | ma3x: how simple does it have to get? |
| 11:01.04 | Guerin | ma3x: SID BREAKS |
| 11:01.14 | ma3x | how do I envoke the screen where I can select the preferences like time, password, mirror... |
| 11:01.25 | ma3x | Guerin but most of the time it is not broken |
| 11:01.25 | worstenboy | liable no it doesn't, it is +x'ed |
| 11:01.26 | Guerin | ma3x: BECAUSE YOU ARE CLEARLY UNABLE TO INSTALL KDE ON SID, IT IS FAIR TO PRESUME THAT IT IS NOT INSTALLABLE |
| 11:01.32 | liable | sid doesnt have that anymore |
| 11:01.36 | Guerin | ma3x: IT'S FUCKING BROKEN NOW YOU IDIOT |
| 11:01.44 | Guerin | christ |
| 11:01.46 | azeem | Guerin: please /ignore |
| 11:01.46 | liable | lol |
| 11:01.52 | Guerin | do I have to send you a singing telegram? |
| 11:02.02 | Guerin | azeem: sorry, it's been several hours |
| 11:02.09 | azeem | Guerin: I can imagine :) |
| 11:02.19 | ma3x | its broken its broken, what are you so nervous about? |
| 11:02.30 | worstenboy | liable could it be something else ? |
| 11:02.36 | sid | worstenboy: /join #suse |
| 11:02.37 | Guerin | ma3x: the real question is "why did you not believe us the first time?" |
| 11:02.39 | sid | !tell worstenboy about suse |
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| 11:03.31 | ma3x | Guerin , I saw that you said it often breaks |
| 11:03.38 | ma3x | but I missed the yes |
| 11:03.39 | ma3x | sorry |
| 11:04.03 | ma3x | it was hard to believe because on the other pc I have debian unstable with kde |
| 11:04.09 | Guerin | ... |
| 11:04.13 | ma3x | okay thanks anyway |
| 11:04.17 | liable | yes, but its already installed.. |
| 11:04.28 | ma3x | yes that's right :) |
| 11:04.37 | liable | some random package needs something that it cant have |
| 11:04.52 | ma3x | is there a channel where I can read in the topic about the status of kde in unstable/ |
| 11:05.08 | liable | no |
| 11:05.43 | Guerin | ma3x: presume at all times that sid is broken |
| 11:05.50 | liable | must have klined tor users eh? |
| 11:06.07 | Guerin | if some small part of it turns out not to be broken, go and buy a lottery ticket, because it's your lucky fucking day |
| 11:06.09 | ma3x | Guerin okay I just upgraded to sid, I can't roll back, right? |
| 11:06.13 | Guerin | no |
| 11:06.16 | liable | unless sid was being very naughty |
| 11:06.24 | ma3x | so I should do a new install of sarge? |
| 11:06.27 | Guerin | yes |
| 11:06.30 | Guerin | please do |
| 11:06.34 | ma3x | or wait untill sid gets fixed |
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| 11:06.54 | liable | yes, wait, pick another of the thousand wm out there |
| 11:07.03 | Guerin | while not asking damn-fool questions about it in here |
| 11:07.18 | liable | hah |
| 11:07.42 | ma3x | alrighty then, thanks |
| 11:07.47 | Guerin | ask good questions if you need to, having first done your own research and such |
| 11:07.59 | Guerin | but the responsibility is on YOU to figure shit out, not on us |
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| 11:22.38 | liable | !moo |
| 11:22.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 11:23.59 | lobotomo | hi |
| 11:24.17 | lobotomo | what's an extremely light media player? |
| 11:24.24 | lobotomo | mplaye or gxine? |
| 11:24.30 | lobotomo | which one should I pick? |
| 11:24.33 | Kevin` | mplayer |
| 11:24.55 | liable | is either light? |
| 11:24.58 | SpeedyG | mplayer is commandline right? |
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| 11:25.12 | liable | yes, or graphic |
| 11:25.15 | Kevin` | well it has a window to display the videos if you use X |
| 11:25.25 | lobotomo | liable: what can be one that can be light? |
| 11:25.27 | SpeedyG | can it also be controlled remote? |
| 11:25.33 | liable | yes |
| 11:25.52 | liable | lobotomo: i dont know actually, chuck vlc in there as well though |
| 11:25.55 | SpeedyG | and can it also stream? |
| 11:26.02 | Kevin` | yes |
| 11:26.17 | liable | it can stream? |
| 11:26.21 | lobotomo | liable: how about for music mpd is ok right? |
| 11:26.23 | Kevin` | yes it can.. |
| 11:26.27 | liable | i didnt know mplayer could |
| 11:26.31 | SpeedyG | nice, then mplayer is exactly what I need |
| 11:27.02 | liable | lobotomo: mpg123 is a command line player |
| 11:27.09 | lobotomo | SpeedyG: yeah mpayer has a real cool command line options |
| 11:27.28 | lobotomo | liable: mpg123 for music or video? |
| 11:27.32 | SpeedyG | well, I need something to be able to play straight off my server if my desktop is shutdown |
| 11:27.35 | liable | i like cplay for a ncurses front end for it |
| 11:27.39 | liable | lobotomo: music |
| 11:27.39 | cafuego | lobotomo: music only |
| 11:27.43 | cafuego | mpg321 |
| 11:27.54 | SpeedyG | so I don't have to use 2 computers to play one song anymore |
| 11:27.57 | liable | or 123 |
| 11:28.22 | lobotomo | does it have ascii visualizations? |
| 11:28.27 | cafuego | nope |
| 11:28.27 | Kevin` | SpeedyG mplayer can also use svga or fb for video output |
| 11:28.36 | Kevin` | (or aalib, I suppose :)) |
| 11:28.46 | lobotomo | ok which one should I pick then mpg123 cplay or mpd? |
| 11:28.56 | cafuego | Try 'em all and then decide. |
| 11:28.57 | SpeedyG | I don't need video output :) (server is cli-only) but it seems to have what I need :) |
| 11:29.02 | liable | try em, and decide yourself :) |
| 11:29.07 | liable | !lose me |
| 11:29.08 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 11:29.21 | lobotomo | SpeedyG: I was talking for musix a nice aalib visualization for a command line base player |
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| 11:31.11 | lobotomo | weird apt-cache show mplayer doesn't show anything |
| 11:31.41 | SpeedyG | debian doesnt have a mplayer repository added by default iirc |
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| 11:32.19 | Guerin | no |
| 11:32.22 | Guerin | mplayer isn't in debian |
| 11:32.32 | Guerin | not as of sarge, any way |
| 11:32.34 | Guerin | it may be now |
| 11:32.36 | lobotomo | mm... how am I suppose to install it? |
| 11:32.46 | lobotomo | I have testing |
| 11:32.46 | liable | nope |
| 11:32.46 | mennisd | he:hey |
| 11:32.53 | lobotomo | and also doesn't have skype |
| 11:32.54 | Guerin | lobotomo: by typing /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:32.56 | Guerin | no |
| 11:33.02 | Guerin | skype isn't free software |
| 11:33.08 | Guerin | and mplayer is legally suspect |
| 11:33.08 | lobotomo | yes it's free |
| 11:33.12 | lobotomo | free donwload |
| 11:33.17 | Guerin | no, it's not free as in free software |
| 11:33.27 | Guerin | you don't have to pay for it, but it's proprietary |
| 11:33.33 | Kevin` | legally suspect? if you obey those laws you suck =p |
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| 11:34.31 | Guerin | Kevin`: no, it's legally suspect in that a lot of the code hasn't been audted and could be included without proper copyright |
| 11:34.40 | alfatau | hello, i would install a specific version of a daemon on my machine, but apt-get performs only the last version installation. what can i do? |
| 11:35.01 | Guerin | alfatau: which daemon, which version, which is apt trying to install? |
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| 11:36.18 | alfatau | i want to install ftpd-ssl package, version 0.17.12+0.3, but apt-get installs version 0.17.18+0.3. |
| 11:36.39 | Guerin | why that specific version? |
| 11:36.48 | alfatau | i tried downloading and then installing it with dpkg |
| 11:36.53 | Guerin | that won't work |
| 11:37.00 | alfatau | but there're some dipendencies to satisfy |
| 11:37.06 | Guerin | yes |
| 11:37.17 | alfatau | what can i do to install that version? |
| 11:37.28 | Guerin | unless you have a very strong reason to install that particular verion, you should ust use the one apt gives you |
| 11:37.55 | Guerin | if you insist on that version, you'll probably have to build it yourself against the libraries in whatever version of debian you're running |
| 11:38.08 | Guerin | as I said, if you don't have a good reason, it's a major waste of time |
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| 11:39.23 | lobotomo | can vlc play dvd's? |
| 11:39.45 | Guerin | lobotomo: yes, if you have *css or somesuch |
| 11:39.46 | alfatau | the reason is i've to perform some tests with that specific version. can't i ask to apt-get to install a former version? |
| 11:40.33 | Guerin | alfatau: no, because an old package is built against different libraries for ssl and so on, which won't just work with any random build |
| 11:40.58 | alfatau | Guerin: i can install the former ssl livbraries too |
| 11:41.03 | Guerin | alfatau: bear in mind that debian's packages are patched as well, so if you're performing serious tests, you probably want to build plain vanilla source, not use a debian package |
| 11:41.11 | alfatau | it's a test machine, i've no problem with security |
| 11:41.27 | Guerin | alfatau: you can't because they conflict with other packages which are required by other packages and so on |
| 11:41.37 | Guerin | and that way lies dependency hell |
| 11:41.52 | waiting | a hell best to be avoided =:) |
| 11:42.05 | Guerin | so I suggest building your own package; it's not hard and it will give you a stable target to test against |
| 11:42.13 | alfatau | ok, i hoped apt-get would have solved that hell |
| 11:42.18 | Guerin | it does |
| 11:42.35 | Guerin | if you don't have unreasonable requirements |
| 11:42.35 | lobotomo | how do I install a firewall in Debian? |
| 11:42.43 | Guerin | lobotomo: apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 11:43.43 | alfatau | Guerin: (for now) i only need that particular version of ftpd daemon... so i think i'll download debian sources and make them. |
| 11:45.13 | Guerin | alfatau: you want to look at the new maintainers guide to find out how to build debian packages |
| 11:45.26 | Guerin | most of it you don't need to know, but therprocess is in there |
| 11:45.30 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 11:45.31 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 11:49.14 | alfatau | Guerin: is the common paradigm: "configure-make-make install" ?? not enough for compiling a package source? |
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| 11:49.30 | Guerin | nope |
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| 11:49.35 | Guerin | well, it'll work |
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| 11:50.41 | alfatau | ok |
| 11:50.44 | alfatau | thanks |
| 11:51.33 | Guerin | arrgh |
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| 12:04.45 | samhob | hello please can somene help me thanks :) i would like to add dhcpcd to the boot but there is no /etc/init.d/dhcpcd , how can i do this?? |
| 12:05.29 | blondie | samhob: apt-get install dhcpcd |
| 12:05.32 | eastwood | samhob, have you got the package installed? |
| 12:06.03 | samhob | yes |
| 12:06.03 | samhob | :) |
| 12:06.15 | samhob | but still no /etc/init.d/dhcpcd |
| 12:06.27 | samhob | can i create this file and just add the path to dhcpcd on it ? |
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| 12:06.49 | eastwood | try reinstalling it |
| 12:07.02 | mikearthur | how would I search through every apt package and list all the files they provide? |
| 12:07.54 | samhob | i reinstalled it |
| 12:07.59 | samhob | still no /etc/init.d/dhcpcd |
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| 12:08.28 | kombinator | dhcpcd is a dhcp client imo |
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| 12:08.45 | eastwood | samhob, try dhclient |
| 12:09.59 | kombinator | I want to build a patched module, but module-assistant keeps replacing the module source under /usr/src/modules before every build. How do I work around it? |
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| 12:11.19 | ubersmall | Hi. My Debian unstable want to remove a whole bunch of packages with a dist-upgrade. Some of them look important, like kcontrol, gtk2 engines, kdebase-bin, kwin... What gives? |
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| 12:13.32 | ktwilight | ubersmall, sounds like you're upgrading your entire debian core or whatever |
| 12:13.48 | DerJamster | ubersmall: hold back on your KDE upgrading. I heard there are currently problems in sid with it. |
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| 12:13.59 | ktwilight | you should be doing a apt-get upgrade instead of dist-upgrade unless you want to move from sarge to etch or etch to sid or sid to whatever |
| 12:14.19 | ubersmall | I see, so basically there's a state of inconsistency, so to speak... |
| 12:14.21 | DerJamster | ktwilight: er...no :) |
| 12:14.30 | ktwilight | oh :( |
| 12:14.43 | DerJamster | ktwilight: dist-upgrade just not only upgrades apps, but also their dependencies |
| 12:14.47 | Ronin | ubersmall: well it is called unstable after all |
| 12:14.50 | DerJamster | don't let the 'dist' confuse you ;) |
| 12:14.52 | ktwilight | that's what i meant... |
| 12:15.02 | ktwilight | but you were clearer :) |
| 12:15.10 | DerJamster | I do a dist-upgrade every couple of days, so.. :> |
| 12:15.11 | ubersmall | I always do dist-upgrade, but lately it's been showing these kinds of problems. I see that just "upgrade" doesn't have these issues. |
| 12:15.18 | eastwood | ubersmall, what does apt-get upgrade give |
| 12:15.34 | ubersmall | eastwood: just upgrades, no removes. |
| 12:15.38 | ktwilight | i try to do a upgrade before dist-upgrade. -s is always nice too :) |
| 12:15.44 | SpeedyG | last time I did a dist-upgrade, my entire machine crashed :/ |
| 12:15.51 | DerJamster | SpeedyG: ...ow? :) |
| 12:15.55 | ktwilight | ouch :/ |
| 12:16.01 | eastwood | xorg has crashed once |
| 12:16.05 | eastwood | but not the systm |
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| 12:16.16 | SpeedyG | I reinstalled, and never went to unstable after that |
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| 12:16.24 | SpeedyG | so now I run stable :) |
| 12:16.28 | ktwilight | yay haha |
| 12:16.33 | ubersmall | a dist-upgrade on unstable is always an adventure, I must admit :) |
| 12:16.41 | ubersmall | potentially, anyway |
| 12:16.55 | eastwood | *unstable* |
| 12:16.59 | ubersmall | right |
| 12:17.01 | DerJamster | I don't tend to use big package-constructs like KDE, so dist-upgrades are a little safer here ;P |
| 12:17.14 | ktwilight | KDE is bad... |
| 12:17.20 | eastwood | i stick with testing |
| 12:17.26 | ktwilight | had a FS corruption 'cuz of it, and never to KDE again |
| 12:17.27 | ktwilight | never |
| 12:17.31 | ktwilight | even if i'm paid to use it |
| 12:17.32 | SpeedyG | during the dist-upgrade, it stopped responding |
| 12:17.39 | DerJamster | Oh, KDE's nice. I mean, I don't use it, but I can see why one'd want to. |
| 12:17.44 | eastwood | i say the same to gnome |
| 12:17.51 | DerJamster | But I don't see how KDE can corrupt the FS :P |
| 12:17.55 | ktwilight | gnome is aight |
| 12:17.59 | SpeedyG | and after two hours of looking at a non-responsive router, without having internet at all.. I rebooted it |
| 12:18.03 | SpeedyG | it never came back up :) |
| 12:18.04 | ktwilight | don't ask me DerJamster, i'm just assuming :P |
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| 12:18.49 | ktwilight | :P |
| 12:19.34 | zyberlost | whatz up guyz? |
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| 12:20.10 | dvs | booooooooo |
| 12:20.18 | DerJamster | A direction. Usually it's the opposite of down, and orthogonal to forward/back/left/right |
| 12:20.53 | abrotman | liable: wtf module? |
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| 12:30.46 | kombinator | Anyone has any experience with module-assistant? I want to compile a module using m-a but I want to patch its source first. m-a keeps replacing the source before every build. Is it possible to force it not to do this? |
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| 12:36.44 | bdfg | Hi, can anyone tell if it is possible to install linux on a FAT32 partition? |
| 12:37.51 | MrMagic | bdfg: no |
| 12:37.53 | MrMagic | :) |
| 12:37.56 | robin_sz | not sure ... probably not, as FAT32 doesnt fully support all the features of ext2 etc, also, you would still need a SWAP partition anyway |
| 12:38.21 | MrMagic | bdfg: why would you like to do that ? :) |
| 12:38.24 | robin_sz | just resize the FAT32 smaller and let linux sort out the remaining space |
| 12:39.05 | robin_sz | or just let the linux installer errm, ... "solve" your FAT32 problem ;) |
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| 12:40.20 | mrcoyote | Yep all |
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| 12:41.26 | EvilDin | why ftp.si.debian.org (164.8.6.249) doesn't work??? |
| 12:41.56 | bdfg | MrMagic: beacause I have an extened partition with 3 logical fat32 partitions |
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| 12:42.05 | bdfg | 2 of them whit data that I cannot lose |
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| 12:42.31 | bdfg | I want to install ubuntu on the space left on the extended partition (currently being ocupied with the 2rd logical part) |
| 12:42.32 | dvs | bdfg: destroy the parition you can afford to lose |
| 12:42.51 | MrMagic | bdfg: then just resize one of your partitions |
| 12:42.54 | bdfg | I want to install ubuntu on the space left on the extended partition (currently being ocupied with the 3rd logical part) |
| 12:43.30 | bdfg | can I destroy the 3rd partition and inside the extended partition create two new partitions for ubuntu? |
| 12:43.49 | enouf | bdfg: The sarge installer will allow you to create a fat32 copy (mirror) for backing up whole partitions if necessary -- but you can just blow away the 3rd logical and install on there if needs be |
| 12:43.49 | MrMagic | you can |
| 12:44.36 | bdfg | ok, and of what kind the partitions that sarge will create in the free space of the ext partition be? |
| 12:44.38 | adlpaf | is cdimage.debian.org working??? Because I need to dowload testing cd's and it says that "The document contains no data" |
| 12:45.03 | adlpaf | somebody knows a mirror to download it??? |
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| 12:46.20 | enouf | bdfg: you should perhaps rethink your stategy though -- use a separate HDD, so you can spearate --oh: and whatever FS type you want to use - get familiar with the installer and using the spacebar and uyp/down arrows |
| 12:46.46 | bdfg | yes, I know that would be a better strategy |
| 12:46.52 | bdfg | but I don't have no other HDD |
| 12:46.59 | bdfg | and no way of backing up my data |
| 12:47.19 | enouf | bdfg: Also - you will have more Logicals...not Ext'd ;-) |
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| 12:47.39 | enouf | bdfg: Have how much disk space avail ? |
| 12:47.50 | bdfg | yes... as far as I know... I will still have one extended part with more logical partitions inside ir, right? |
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| 12:48.14 | enouf | bdfg: Yes -- typo on my part -- logicals "within Ext'd" |
| 12:48.31 | bdfg | it is not in my PC... I am doing this for a friend |
| 12:48.38 | bdfg | and I think he has 20GB free |
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| 12:49.41 | bdfg | but I still have one doubt |
| 12:50.03 | bdfg | those new logical partitions that sarge will create within the already crreated extended partition.... what FS will they be? |
| 12:50.04 | bdfg | FAT32? |
| 12:50.17 | enouf | bdfg: Just remember you're using an MS created Ext'd - which I've had issue with in the past when the shit hits the fan -- I installed Debian sarge, using ext2 and ext3, in the upper Logicals (hda6-11) at one time and had a bastard of a time recovering after one particular crash |
| 12:50.18 | dvs | bdfg: Linux ext2 / swap |
| 12:50.42 | Tallu | Heh. damn it. I got admitted to this school and just noticed they're using ubuntu there.. ah well.. |
| 12:50.45 | MrMagic | or ext3 |
| 12:50.46 | Tallu | Maybe they'll let me use debian. :P |
| 12:50.58 | bdfg | oh... I didn't know that fat32 and ext2 and swao could coexist inside a same extended partition |
| 12:50.59 | dvs | Tallu: blow up the school! For their sakes! |
| 12:51.04 | enouf | bdfg: I said earlier -- whatever FS type you want them to be - use ext3 though |
| 12:51.10 | Tallu | dvs: yeah, i'm debating on it. :( |
| 12:51.26 | bdfg | yes... I will use ext3 |
| 12:51.28 | Tallu | I might actually be forced to switch schools because of that, it's pissing me off. :P |
| 12:52.00 | Tallu | Never used ubuntu and i have to say I'm not really looking forward to it |
| 12:52.04 | bdfg | i just thought that because the other partitions inside the extended were already fat32, then the new ones had to be too |
| 12:52.11 | enouf | bdfg: Is that Fat32 made by win9x/98 - or by WinXPoop ? |
| 12:52.14 | dvs | bdfg: nope |
| 12:52.16 | bdfg | xp |
| 12:52.24 | MrMagic | Tallu: you should be happy, my school is using windows :) |
| 12:52.26 | enouf | bdfg: nope |
| 12:52.36 | enouf | dvs: beats enouf |
| 12:52.56 | bdfg | well, you were really helpful, thanks a lot ;) |
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| 12:53.17 | Tallu | MrMagic: I suppose they'll be using windows for the AD stuff too. Well, I'll just buy a laptop and install debian on that, see if they let me use it. |
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| 12:54.57 | MrMagic | i had to use Virtual PC :S |
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| 13:02.26 | roxy_ | aptitude dist-upgrade on unstable wants to uninstall kde, is there a way to avoid it ? (apart from not doing a dist-upgrade) |
| 13:02.27 | aptitude | that's too long, roxy_ |
| 13:02.47 | dvs | pfffft! |
| 13:03.23 | roxy_ | aptitude: sorry, I wasn't talking to you, I prefer dpkg anyway |
| 13:03.53 | elias_ | if I change something in /etc/aliases, do I have to do anything else to make the cahnges take effect? |
| 13:03.58 | enouf | roxy_ perhaps dselect? or is that considered deprecated -- I was going to ask anyways, since I don't recall ppl recommending it often here |
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| 13:05.14 | roxy_ | enouf: I am using debian for 6 months, so never used dselect |
| 13:05.23 | enouf | roxy_ : BTW why "dist-upgrade" and not 'update && upgrade' only? |
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| 13:05.36 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | waazzaaabiii? |
| 13:05.57 | roxy_ | enouf: to uninstall package if necessary |
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| 13:06.01 | robin_sz | bah .. I have php4 installed, and the php4-gd package ... but somehow, PHP isnt loading the gd extensions |
| 13:06.19 | robin_sz | and yes, I removed php4-gd and re-installed it |
| 13:06.23 | roxy_ | enouf: it seems that debian old-timer don't like aptitude much :-) |
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| 13:07.08 | enouf | roxy_ : man dselect -- I defer to others' (old-timers) responses about dselect |
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| 13:07.22 | benny`work | hi! just installed exim4 but when i try to connect to it, it says "exim abandoned: unknown, malformed, or incomplete option -Am". what could that be? |
| 13:07.46 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | slackware distro user but will need debian to test for socks... I noticed there are 1-14 iso cd's.. do I need to download all? |
| 13:07.54 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 13:07.54 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
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| 13:08.07 | abrotman | !d-i JiMMy-JaKAzz |
| 13:08.08 | dpkg | JiMMy-JaKAzz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:08.20 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | tnx. |
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| 13:09.25 | peder_ | anyone setup glftpd on a amd64 ?? |
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| 13:10.06 | oskude | hi, is there something similar to partimage in sarge ? (as apt-cache search partimage didnt find it) |
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| 13:10.15 | elias_ | how to send in mailx? |
| 13:10.27 | dvs | oskude: qparted |
| 13:11.34 | tziku | hello, can somebody helo me ? I need to configure a rooter (Zyxel) i can with windows & hyper terminal...but i don't have a windows system. Can somevody help me ? What is hyperterminal in linux ? |
| 13:11.41 | oskude | dvs: i need it for the console, would parted backup partitions ? |
| 13:12.05 | dvs | oskude: I don't know any console partition tools, sorry |
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| 13:12.41 | oskude | well, i dont want to partition, just backup them, maybe dd would be enough ? |
| 13:13.00 | enouf | oskude: apt-cache search parted |
| 13:13.35 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | is debian 30r6 the most recent? |
| 13:13.44 | dvs | JiMMy-JaKAzz: 3.1r3 |
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| 13:13.55 | dvs | 3.1r2 sorry |
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| 13:14.32 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | cool |
| 13:14.56 | omry | dpkg (etch security key says) apt-key 2D230C5F , I tried and it gives a syntax error. what's the correct command? |
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| 13:15.36 | stew | !apt-key 2D230C5F |
| 13:15.36 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 13:15.49 | omry | stew, thanks. |
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| 13:18.07 | cast | now how do i get my local X server to accept network connections? |
| 13:19.03 | MrMagic | cast: man xhost |
| 13:19.29 | cahoot | cast: look at /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 13:19.38 | phogg | cast: start with editing /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and removing -nolisten tcp |
| 13:19.57 | Flakk | hello people, what is the command in sarge to start the xsession? I have just installed gnome |
| 13:20.06 | phogg | Flakk: startx |
| 13:20.07 | dvs | Flakk: starx |
| 13:20.12 | dvs | oops! |
| 13:20.24 | eastwood | exec gnome-session |
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| 13:20.29 | Flakk | dvs, phogg yes i thought this! but it does not work |
| 13:20.37 | cast | i was looking in the wrong place for the no listen option :\ |
| 13:20.41 | Flakk | startx gives unknown command |
| 13:20.50 | Ronin | Flakk: did you install x? |
| 13:20.56 | dvs | Flakk: then you have to install X |
| 13:21.01 | eastwood | apt-get install x-window-system && startx |
| 13:21.04 | Flakk | i installed just gnome i thought x is inside |
| 13:21.26 | eastwood | it's not |
| 13:21.26 | omry | stew, someone better fix dpkg message for it. |
| 13:21.26 | dvs | Flakk: apparently not |
| 13:21.26 | Flakk | ooooooook |
| 13:21.31 | abrotman | omry: for what? |
| 13:21.31 | phogg | Flakk: GNOME runs on top of X. |
| 13:21.37 | dvs | !install gnome |
| 13:21.37 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 13:21.45 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | downloading 31r2 dvd iso as we speak.. thanks for the info. |
| 13:21.51 | stew | omry: which factoid are you talking about? |
| 13:22.08 | eastwood | JiMMy-JaKAzz, what do you need the dvd for? cant you install from the net? |
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| 13:22.15 | omry | stew, abrotman, etch security key |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | !etch security key |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | not seeing it |
| 13:22.33 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | eastwood.... I havent installed debian yet... its going on a new machine. |
| 13:22.41 | Ronin | JiMMy-JaKAzz: so? you can still do a network install |
| 13:22.43 | omry | sec |
| 13:22.50 | Flakk | !set up x |
| 13:22.50 | dpkg | [set up x] First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 13:22.59 | eastwood | JiMMy-JaKAzz, download the 40mb cd and get the rest while you install |
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| 13:23.03 | stew | !etch security key is <reply> see 2006 key |
| 13:23.04 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 13:23.07 | phogg | Flakk: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 13:23.23 | abrotman | stew: shouldn't that be <reply> see testing security key ? |
| 13:23.28 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | does the 40mb cd have proxy settings to by pass firefall? |
| 13:23.28 | hypersniper | !seen mentor |
| 13:23.28 | dpkg | mentor <n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14d 15h 37m 44s ago, saying: 'bartm: heh. I was doing it for informational purposes'. |
| 13:23.44 | eastwood | JiMMy-JaKAzz, y |
| 13:23.50 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | cool |
| 13:24.10 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | i will get the 40meg cd than |
| 13:24.22 | eastwood | much handy imho |
| 13:24.23 | stew | !testing security key is <reply> see 2006 key |
| 13:24.23 | dpkg | ...but testing security key is already something else... |
| 13:24.32 | stew | abrotman: they are all the same key |
| 13:24.44 | omry | stew, I think its okay.. hold your horses. |
| 13:24.45 | omry | my bad. |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | so they are :) |
| 13:25.01 | dvs | this year |
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| 13:25.33 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | pro's and cons... wouldnt having the dvdrom just be easier if your installing debian on more than one machine? |
| 13:25.42 | dvs | JiMMy-JaKAzz: yes |
| 13:25.51 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | thats what I thought |
| 13:26.17 | dvs | JiMMy-JaKAzz: and there is a way to install the same packages on all machines if you want |
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| 13:26.29 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | thats what I thought too |
| 13:26.39 | omry | I have a friend who is behind nat, and I want to connect to him using ssh. I know its possible to do port redirect somehow. anyone knows how its done? |
| 13:26.40 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | so getting the dvdrom is good than? |
| 13:26.50 | streuner | Where does gkrellm stores its settings, sometimes it forgot almost every setting and i can just make the entries for different mail-server new... |
| 13:27.12 | dvs | JiMMy-JaKAzz: I would if you're installing it on multiple machines |
| 13:27.30 | cast | right, ive done the following in quest to use X over network. added fw rules to allow connections to port 6001/tcp. removed -nolisten tcp from xserverrc. in a aterm ran xhost +192.168.2, ssh host, DISPLAY=192.168.1.1:0;export DISPLAY, xmessage test |
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| 13:28.05 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | and another thing... say you go to install debian at anther location that does not have high network speed or no internet access than having the dvdrom is just? |
| 13:28.19 | dvs | JiMMy-JaKAzz: Definitely |
| 13:28.31 | cast | 192.168.2=192.168.1.2 sorry |
| 13:28.33 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | now I know why I am downloading the dvdrom |
| 13:28.49 | cast | and get the error 'Error: Can't open display: 192.168.1.1:0' :( |
| 13:29.04 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | its all about flexibility. |
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| 13:29.32 | eastwood | omry, just tell the router to forward port 22 to his internal pc |
| 13:29.40 | streuner | Its in /home/<user>/.gkrellm2/user-config, but any idea wth it sometimes just "forget" everything? |
| 13:29.47 | omry | eastwood, the router is out of our control. |
| 13:29.54 | eastwood | JiMMy-JaKAzz, you didnt tell me that you were going to install in more than 1 machine |
| 13:30.04 | eastwood | then the dvd is better since you'll save BW |
| 13:30.18 | eastwood | omry, then you cant do it |
| 13:30.58 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | at 1Meg/sec I cant beat that. eastwood .... just needed the flexibility when a situation arrises. |
| 13:31.22 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | I like to have all options available. |
| 13:31.42 | eastwood | i have all the options avaiable with the netinstall too |
| 13:31.49 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | exactly |
| 13:31.56 | eastwood | it's just that i prefer updated packages |
| 13:32.01 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | cool |
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| 13:33.06 | oskude | what would be an easy way to manage booting of various distributions on various partitions ? (i got 5 partitions, and want to install sarge,sid,dapper and others later) |
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| 13:33.53 | cast | fuck. oops. it was 6000/tcp not 6001. it works now :) |
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| 13:36.16 | xstasi | hi |
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| 13:36.21 | xstasi | what is the channel for powerpc? |
| 13:36.47 | streuner | #debianppc |
| 13:36.49 | xstasi | thx |
| 13:36.53 | eastwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.58 | xstasi | bye |
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| 13:39.12 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | anyone running socks with their debian here? |
| 13:39.26 | abrotman | stockings here |
| 13:39.35 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | lol... I new that was comming |
| 13:39.37 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | cool |
| 13:40.02 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | good sence of humor... socks4&5. |
| 13:40.59 | omry | eastwood, yes I can, and I did. |
| 13:41.03 | omry | eastwood, http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Port_Forwarding.html |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | JiMMy-JaKAzz: is it broken? or what? |
| 13:41.41 | oskude | well, i dont test that, their website has only broken links :/ |
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| 13:42.09 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | no just wanting to know what socks apps used |
| 13:43.10 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | working with dante myself. |
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| 13:46.06 | JiMMy-JaKAzz | gonna get some grub... thanks all for the info see you soon. Cheers. |
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| 13:48.58 | EvilDin | which application i have to install that i will get /usr/bin/ld |
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| 13:49.00 | mrrcp1 | I bought a new HD 200 gigs. I had debian on a 40 gig hd and i tryed to install fresh on the 200 gig and when grub trys to start u get ERROR 10 |
| 13:49.04 | mrrcp1 | any ideas |
| 13:49.10 | abrotman | binutils i'd think |
| 13:49.24 | abrotman | google "GRUB Error 10" |
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| 13:50.09 | mrrcp1 | ? |
| 13:51.14 | EvilDin | how to install /bin/usr/ld |
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| 13:51.29 | dvs | !find /bin/usr/ld stable |
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| 13:51.37 | EvilDin | !find /bin/usr/ld stable |
| 13:51.45 | abrotman | there is no such thing as /bin/usr/ld |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | /usr/bin/ld maybe |
| 13:51.52 | mrrcp1 | so my hd is to big for the bios |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | !find usr/bin/ld$ sarge |
| 13:52.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/ld' (1): (/usr/bin/ld) in devel/binutils. |
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| 13:52.17 | abrotman | and i said binutils a while ago |
| 13:52.26 | EvilDin | yes usr/bin/ld |
| 13:52.32 | abrotman | yes .. binutils |
| 13:52.36 | EvilDin | !find /usr/bin/ld |
| 13:52.41 | abrotman | EvilDin: BINUTILS |
| 13:52.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/ld' returned no results. |
| 13:54.13 | EvilDin | when copnfiguring one dj program i get this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmad |
| 13:54.26 | abrotman | that's a library |
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| 13:54.39 | EvilDin | so |
| 13:54.50 | abrotman | try libmad or libmad0 |
| 13:55.07 | abrotman | or libmad-dev or libmad0-dev |
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| 13:56.13 | EvilDin | oh no come one si debian update and install site is down again |
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| 13:59.02 | blaa | hi all |
| 13:59.27 | blaa | Could help me? |
| 13:59.27 | blaa | Could you help me? |
| 13:59.34 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 14:01.03 | blaa | How can i set printer? |
| 14:01.36 | P-NuT | Hi guys, I want to make a bridge, I add br0 to /etc/network/interfaces, but it says there's no such device. Do I have to set it up somehow first? |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | brctl ? |
| 14:03.06 | blaa | Can I get a driver for Canon Prixma iP1000 printer on Debian? |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | linux-printing.org |
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| 14:09.53 | abchirk | http://abc-super.de/tsviewer/TS_Viewer.php?refresh= |
| 14:09.58 | abchirk | oops sorry |
| 14:10.14 | abrotman | spammer! |
| 14:10.27 | abchirk | lol wrong window... |
| 14:10.33 | abrotman | terminal services! |
| 14:10.57 | abrotman | guess not |
| 14:11.13 | abchirk | hm na not window...but channel ;) |
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| 14:12.23 | niruana | Hi all |
| 14:12.34 | niruana | Can somebody help me with WPA-PSK ? |
| 14:13.04 | niruana | i got the newest wpasupplicant |
| 14:13.09 | abchirk | hi...sorry dot know what WPA is |
| 14:13.22 | niruana | many people :( |
| 14:13.26 | niruana | tried allot of chans |
| 14:13.31 | niruana | couldnt help me |
| 14:13.32 | abrotman | #wireless ? |
| 14:13.45 | niruana | nice idea :P |
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| 14:20.46 | niruana | no response |
| 14:24.48 | nsx | are the debian netinstall images mirrored elsewhere? cdimage.debian.org is down |
| 14:25.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsx, i think most of the mirrors carry it |
| 14:25.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | my isp carries it .. .your isp mirror debian? |
| 14:27.19 | nsx | in what directory? |
| 14:27.44 | lunitik | Kamping_Kaiser: I wish my ISP carried it... that'd be neat... and FAST |
| 14:27.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | lunitik, yeh :D |
| 14:28.23 | abrotman | nsx: which country? |
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| 14:29.08 | streuner | PING cdimage.debian.org (130.239.18.151): 56 data bytes |
| 14:29.17 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 14:29.48 | fantomas | Hi. How to install .pfb/.pfm fonts? |
| 14:29.48 | lunitik | streuner: try downloading a debian-installer image |
| 14:30.11 | streuner | not the first time, just download it laster |
| 14:30.17 | streuner | s/laster/later/ |
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| 14:30.28 | lunitik | streuner: last I tried, things like www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer images aren't working either |
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| 14:31.33 | lunitik | streuner: s/later/tomorrow/ more than likely, been down for a couple days |
| 14:32.19 | nsx | abrotman, us |
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| 14:32.55 | nsx | streuner: http://cdimage.debian.org/ |
| 14:33.11 | streuner | nsx: just use for sarge /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 14:33.20 | streuner | or this one |
| 14:33.22 | streuner | !di |
| 14:33.22 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 14:33.58 | nsx | i'll wait for an official image |
| 14:34.18 | nsx | uhm |
| 14:34.27 | nsx | all that site does is link to debian.org |
| 14:34.28 | nsx | brilliant. |
| 14:34.28 | abrotman | nsx: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:35.05 | azeem | nsx: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 14:35.14 | azeem | for a cdimage.d.o mirror |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | nsx: ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:35.39 | lunitik | azeem: you're german? |
| 14:36.02 | azeem | lunitik: OMG, did you check my hostname? |
| 14:36.13 | lunitik | azeem: no |
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| 14:36.21 | azeem | pfew |
| 14:36.30 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 14:36.30 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:36.38 | TARZEAU | anyone play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with me, NOW? |
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| 14:37.45 | lunitik | azeem: you should probably ask someone in #freenode to get you a mask or whatever |
| 14:38.01 | azeem | no, I don't need one |
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| 14:38.07 | azeem | (I think) |
| 14:38.56 | azeem | it's not mine :) |
| 14:39.26 | nsx | thanks, abrotman |
| 14:39.35 | abrotman | !crack azeem |
| 14:39.41 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 14:39.45 | lunitik | azeem: ahh... you still use Ubuntu? |
| 14:39.49 | azeem | !root abrotman |
| 14:40.06 | asg | !root beer abrotman |
| 14:40.08 | fantomas | Anybody knows how to create fontconfig .conf file from a list of fonts? |
| 14:40.27 | azeem | lunitik: quite a skip of topic :) |
| 14:40.34 | azeem | I don't use Ubuntu anymore, no |
| 14:41.07 | EvilDin | hay i make little mistake when i was installing debain, i choose manual selection of packages, i change my mind i like desktop envirment, how to reenter to that setup? |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | !hack azeem |
| 14:41.15 | niruana | Can somebody help me with WPA-PSK ? |
| 14:41.30 | abrotman | #wireless ? |
| 14:41.30 | asg | EvilDin: deselect |
| 14:41.37 | niruana | i tried that abrotman |
| 14:41.41 | lunitik | niruana: $50 says google knows the answer |
| 14:41.44 | niruana | no reaction |
| 14:41.52 | niruana | and i tried that before lunitik |
| 14:41.55 | asg | EvilDin: erm, dselect that is |
| 14:41.56 | abrotman | niruana: are you even running Debian ? |
| 14:42.01 | EvilDin | but i already click enter and went to some other setup |
| 14:42.02 | niruana | that was the first thing i tried |
| 14:42.04 | niruana | google |
| 14:42.10 | EvilDin | but i have no idea about that one |
| 14:42.12 | azeem | SuSE Linux 8.2 (i586) |
| 14:42.14 | EvilDin | so i want back |
| 14:42.15 | niruana | uhm debian based, ubuntu |
| 14:42.18 | EvilDin | yes i am using debian |
| 14:42.21 | azeem | abrotman: doesn't look like a real challenge to me =) |
| 14:42.22 | abrotman | niruana: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:42.28 | asg | EvilDin: then finish that setup and, and run dselect after. |
| 14:42.29 | EvilDin | no |
| 14:42.37 | EvilDin | ok |
| 14:42.37 | abrotman | azeem: to own your box? |
| 14:42.39 | niruana | and the howto directed me to debian abrotman |
| 14:42.44 | azeem | yeah |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | niruana: you're running ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu |
| 14:42.54 | azeem | well, it's not mine, technically |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:42.59 | niruana | done that, they cant help |
| 14:43.02 | niruana | all newbies |
| 14:43.06 | TARZEAU | niruana: try also #bub-n-bros |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | neither can we .. IT'S NOT DEBIAN |
| 14:43.08 | asg | !they don't know |
| 14:43.08 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:43.15 | azeem | TARZEAU: please don't give ill advise |
| 14:43.18 | lunitik | niruana: not our problem, have a good day |
| 14:43.29 | niruana | looool |
| 14:43.36 | azeem | niruana: are you sure WPA is setup in the same way on Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 14:43.41 | azeem | because I am not |
| 14:43.46 | niruana | i have debian running for bnc, webserver, eggdrop etc :) |
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| 14:43.54 | niruana | yes azeem |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | but not WPA .. so ask #ubuntu |
| 14:44.00 | streuner | azeem: how he could... |
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| 14:44.13 | niruana | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo |
| 14:44.17 | lunitik | niruana: you're sure, but you don't know how? |
| 14:44.25 | abrotman | amazing someone that can't figure out WPA says that debian and ubuntu do it the same way |
| 14:44.40 | niruana | For Ubuntu 6.06 (dapper) see [WWW] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA, section debian etch (testing/unstable). |
| 14:44.55 | shawnr_ | i have a linksys usb cable modem that offer eth and usb, i have 2 computers. one with usb only and the other with eth. i can use them both seperatly to get internet. how can i use both eth & usb on cable modem? |
| 14:45.00 | abrotman | that's a wiki .. it can change |
| 14:45.17 | azeem | niruana: so did you check that? |
| 14:45.21 | niruana | yes |
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| 14:45.22 | lunitik | niruana: I find it hard to believe Ubuntu would direct users at Debian docs |
| 14:45.36 | abrotman | it's still ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu .. |
| 14:45.42 | lunitik | I thought they hated Debian support |
| 14:45.49 | niruana | then check the website lunitik https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo |
| 14:45.57 | lunitik | niruana: I don't care |
| 14:45.58 | asg | niruana: did you also check /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant |
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| 14:46.10 | niruana | +- |
| 14:46.10 | lunitik | niruana: go install Debian on that box and come back... then I might care |
| 14:46.24 | niruana | arg lunitik i have debian as a server |
| 14:46.33 | niruana | but i want ubuntu as a desktop |
| 14:46.36 | lunitik | niruana: you have issues with that box? |
| 14:46.40 | niruana | no |
| 14:46.42 | abrotman | the server isn't the broken one |
| 14:46.44 | niruana | works perfect |
| 14:46.48 | abrotman | how fucking stupid are ubuntu users? |
| 14:46.54 | lunitik | niruana: cool... then you're in the wrong place |
| 14:46.55 | niruana | stupid |
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| 14:47.23 | lunitik | niruana: feel free to come back if that server gives you issues though |
| 14:47.27 | azeem | please, calm down |
| 14:47.35 | azeem | lunitik: feel free to /ignore |
| 14:47.46 | azeem | 16:36 < lunitik> niruana: I find it hard to believe Ubuntu would direct users at Debian docs |
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| 14:47.55 | fantomas | Is there a high-level tool for installing fonts for Xft? |
| 14:48.01 | azeem | lunitik: probably because that Debian wiki page was written by the guy who also does wpa in Ubuntu |
| 14:48.48 | lunitik | fantomas: defoma handles fonts on Debian systems |
| 14:48.51 | shawnr_ | anyone? |
| 14:48.55 | EvilDin | still |
| 14:48.57 | asg | shawnr_: try #networking |
| 14:49.02 | EvilDin | i want that blue setup |
| 14:49.06 | shawnr_ | thanks' |
| 14:49.17 | asg | shawnr_: ##networking that is |
| 14:49.19 | fantomas | lunitik: ok, can scan a dir and install everythign from there? |
| 14:49.26 | fantomas | can it* |
| 14:49.39 | azeem | EvilDin: run tasksel as root |
| 14:49.52 | lunitik | fantomas: fonts should go in /usr/share/fonts ... if they're put there, then they should show up automagically |
| 14:50.08 | fantomas | lunitik: cool, I'll try |
| 14:50.18 | lunitik | fantomas: also, ~/.fonts |
| 14:50.44 | fantomas | lunitik: this is better, don't like system wide painting :) |
| 14:51.02 | abrotman | asg: your favourite movie is on .. Legends of the Fall |
| 14:51.13 | fantomas | lunitik: I guess I have to run fc-cache to get things fater? |
| 14:51.17 | asg | abrotman: my favorite movie is 'Where Eagles Dare' |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | not brad pitt huh |
| 14:51.43 | asg | abrotman: no, burton and eastwood |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:51.50 | lunitik | fantomas: or update-fonts-dir sure |
| 14:52.31 | lunitik | Uhh... thats probably not what you want actually... meh |
| 14:52.53 | lunitik | I think thats what defoma runs to update fonts though? |
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| 14:53.30 | abrotman | chronotrigger! |
| 14:53.52 | asg | abrotman: stopwatch |
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| 14:57.43 | abrotman | lunitik: you could uh .. stop using RSS feeds |
| 14:58.58 | asg | he could also just stop thinking |
| 14:59.27 | abrotman | he has |
| 15:02.00 | abrotman | i think the girl on foodtv has shoulder pads |
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| 15:02.39 | robin_sz | wahts the debian way of removing a particular service from a runlevel? |
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| 15:02.45 | asg | abrotman: her one saving grace is that she always has some booze at the end. |
| 15:02.49 | abrotman | robin_sz: update-rc.d |
| 15:02.54 | asg | robin_sz: update-rc.d, rcconf, rm |
| 15:03.00 | abrotman | asg: the quesadilla lady? |
| 15:03.06 | asg | abrotman: yeah, S. Lee |
| 15:03.06 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 15:03.09 | robin_sz | thanks |
| 15:03.13 | abrotman | asg: oh .. i guess i never noticed |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | she lies! |
| 15:04.33 | asg | abrotman: you want to taste the figs don't you? |
| 15:04.43 | abrotman | asg: i want gooey quesadillas |
| 15:05.07 | asg | abrotman: that's how most places make them :( |
| 15:05.22 | abrotman | i know .. i bet hers come out gooey :) |
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| 15:05.39 | System- | how do i uninstall an apt? |
| 15:05.45 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 15:05.49 | asg | System-: apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 15:05.50 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 15:05.52 | dabreegster | apt-get remove foo |
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| 15:06.27 | System- | thank you |
| 15:07.09 | shawnr_ | is it possible for xfce4 to be configured to run as fast as blackbox? or if im looking for somthing light, just stick with blackbox? |
| 15:07.22 | abrotman | see .. gooey! |
| 15:07.41 | robin_sz | ick. what a waste of space that was ... so if you want to remove a service from a runlevel, you have to know the sequence number .. by the time youve found that, you might as well just rm the symlink |
| 15:07.44 | abrotman | shawnr_: ask #xfce i would guess |
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| 15:11.28 | rockstar_ | So, iwth Java changing its tune on open source, I was able to apt-get install sun-java5-jre on this recent build. However, firefox still doesn't see the jre. Anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 15:13.12 | lunitik | rockstar_: install sun-java5-plugin ? |
| 15:13.50 | asg | abrotman: nah, those were moderately bubbly. |
| 15:13.57 | abrotman | gooey |
| 15:14.00 | abrotman | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:14.29 | rockstar_ | lunitik, Package is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:15.01 | lunitik | rockstar_: its in sid *shrug* ... you have non-free available? |
| 15:15.01 | asg | rockstar_: /msg dpkg firefox java |
| 15:15.02 | abrotman | why is it so hard to find a mechanical bull in philly ... |
| 15:15.17 | Ronin | why are you even looking? |
| 15:15.23 | asg | abrotman: because Texas is quite a ways away and hasn't spread north thankfully |
| 15:15.24 | abrotman | for fun :) |
| 15:15.41 | abrotman | i've never ridden a mechanical bull .. |
| 15:15.57 | Ronin | abrotman: never done a lot of things, doesnt mean i want to either :) |
| 15:16.12 | abrotman | Ronin: you're from canada .. don't they hvae mechanical polar bear rides? |
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| 15:16.30 | Ronin | we dont need no stinking mechanical ones, we use the real bears here |
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| 15:16.56 | abrotman | that would be polar bear wrangling .. like a rodeo |
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| 15:19.08 | Ronin | new calgary stampede sport next year i hear |
| 15:19.46 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:23.45 | nowec | How do I see how much free space I have on my disk? |
| 15:23.49 | abrotman | asg: booze time! |
| 15:23.55 | abrotman | nowec: df |
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| 15:25.08 | asg | abrotman: yep |
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| 15:26.43 | Kevin` | what does the "standard system" install option include |
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| 15:27.16 | nowec | thanks abrotman |
| 15:27.35 | abrotman | Kevin`: a shell |
| 15:28.01 | Kevin` | what do you get if you don't include that option |
| 15:28.49 | abrotman | in tasksel? |
| 15:28.52 | abrotman | don't use tasksel |
| 15:29.04 | Kevin` | in the installer |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | where it says stuff like server and mail system and crap like that ? |
| 15:29.25 | Kevin` | ya |
| 15:29.31 | abrotman | don't install that |
| 15:29.35 | abrotman | erm .. use that |
| 15:29.44 | abrotman | when the install is over .. install what you want |
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| 15:36.33 | jetscreamer | good adive my son |
| 15:36.36 | jetscreamer | advice |
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| 15:38.56 | lobotomo | hi |
| 15:39.01 | lobotomo | anyone here? |
| 15:39.11 | Kevin` | no |
| 15:39.21 | lobotomo | should telnet be uninstalled? |
| 15:39.32 | jef | lobotomo: why? |
| 15:39.35 | lobotomo | just wondering, I haven't heard great thins about it |
| 15:39.44 | lobotomo | vulnerability? |
| 15:39.55 | jef | lobotomo: telnetd maybe |
| 15:40.15 | Kevin` | hmm telnet doesn't seem to be installed |
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| 15:40.37 | lobotomo | it's not telnetd |
| 15:40.56 | Kevin` | oh you mean the client? |
| 15:41.03 | Kevin` | pfft, it's up to you to use that properly |
| 15:41.29 | lobotomo | no idea I see it on the fluxbox menu, and I wonder why on earth is it there |
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| 15:41.52 | Kevin` | you'll find out when you need it |
| 15:42.20 | hjubal | hola |
| 15:42.38 | Kevin` | you can use it for more then telnet too, you know |
| 15:42.40 | Kevin` | like netcat |
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| 15:44.01 | lobotomo | I don't see opera for etch ppc... |
| 15:44.31 | lobotomo | will sid work with etch? |
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| 15:45.07 | Kevin` | is opera open source now? |
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| 15:45.26 | jetscreamer | yes a lot of the time you can use sid packages for etch, but it depends on the dependencies |
| 15:45.34 | lobotomo | Kevin`: no but I can donwnload it from the website |
| 15:45.52 | System- | anyone know how i can get debian to recognise the sound card and speakers on my laptop? because no sound comes out at the moment |
| 15:45.56 | System- | ? |
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| 15:46.34 | lobotomo | I hate when I have to click THREE times in order to see fullscreen screenshots, that's plain retarded |
| 15:46.36 | Kevin` | System- is the main volume and pcm turned up? |
| 15:46.52 | jetscreamer | System-: the kernel version you're running and sarge/etch/sid might be relevant information |
| 15:47.03 | Kevin` | lobotomo is that one of the screenshot upload sites? |
| 15:47.12 | jetscreamer | oh and what card/chip it is |
| 15:47.24 | avl | hi all! |
| 15:47.49 | System- | hang on have an idea, might be back |
| 15:47.52 | lobotomo | Kevin`: from any linux website... all the screenshots need to be clicked thrice... that's a waste of productivity |
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| 15:48.17 | Kevin` | lobotomo well complain to whoever made the browser, or site |
| 15:48.31 | jetscreamer | sounds like you have resize images enabled inthe browser but i don't know |
| 15:49.03 | jetscreamer | make sure it's off |
| 15:49.07 | jetscreamer | then check |
| 15:49.10 | mrrcp1 | why wont debian find my 200 gig hd |
| 15:49.14 | jetscreamer | and then cry if applicable |
| 15:49.15 | mrrcp1 | well grub wont work |
| 15:49.22 | jetscreamer | because you didn't tell it how |
| 15:49.26 | mrrcp1 | heh |
| 15:49.27 | mrrcp1 | ok |
| 15:49.31 | abrotman | your BIOS is too old ? |
| 15:49.35 | Kevin` | mrrcp1 could be that the bios doesn't support a hd that size |
| 15:49.36 | mrrcp1 | but fedora works fine with it? |
| 15:49.43 | jetscreamer | what ide/sata controller, and how many hd controllers you got |
| 15:49.44 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 15:49.47 | Kevin` | well then grub is unconfigured |
| 15:49.47 | lobotomo | jetscreamer: it's not that... when you go to a website sometimes they have the thumbnail, then the bigger pic inside the web layout and after that the fullscreen one... thrice |
| 15:49.48 | mrrcp1 | r2 |
| 15:49.48 | Kevin` | =p |
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| 15:50.07 | mrrcp1 | lol |
| 15:50.16 | mrrcp1 | i get error 10 or somthing like that |
| 15:50.21 | mrrcp1 | it worked fine on my 40 gig |
| 15:50.24 | abrotman | and google says? |
| 15:50.24 | lobotomo | ok I'ev donwloaded a .deb from opera how do I install that? |
| 15:50.30 | abrotman | lobotomo: man dpkg |
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| 15:50.31 | mrrcp1 | GOOGLE says nothing |
| 15:50.33 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 15:50.44 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 15:50.45 | dpkg | Sorry, jetscreamer, I didn't get your test. |
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| 15:51.25 | jetscreamer | mrrcp1: in addition to here, ask in #grub maybe |
| 15:51.37 | abrotman | ask #grub ? |
| 15:51.38 | mrrcp1 | hmm |
| 15:51.48 | abrotman | darn you jetscreamer |
| 15:51.59 | mrrcp1 | i can make my /home on the 200 gig correct? |
| 15:52.10 | mrrcp1 | if i make it a slave it should work no? |
| 15:52.10 | Kevin` | how do I disable encryption in ssh known_hosts |
| 15:52.28 | alan` | idk |
| 15:52.43 | Kevin` | mrrcp1 yes |
| 15:52.56 | abrotman | mrrcp1: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-115687.html .. your google-fu stinks :) |
| 15:53.08 | abrotman | mrrcp1: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=grub+%22error+10%22&btnG=Search |
| 15:54.32 | jetscreamer | you can also just mount it, chown -R the mountpoint, and have it as a symlinked subdir in /home |
| 15:55.09 | jetscreamer | err ~ not /home |
| 15:55.24 | Kevin` | well anywhere.. |
| 15:55.25 | mrrcp1 | well as a fresh install |
| 15:55.38 | mrrcp1 | i could just make /home on the 200 gig correcrt |
| 15:55.40 | mrrcp1 | correct |
| 15:55.45 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:55.47 | mrrcp1 | u can place /home on the slave |
| 15:55.49 | mrrcp1 | good |
| 15:55.53 | jetscreamer | or you could just do it later |
| 15:55.58 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 15:56.02 | mrrcp1 | :) |
| 15:56.29 | Kevin` | I take it no one knows how to disable encrypting the hosts in the known_hosts file |
| 15:56.58 | mrrcp1 | how can i format a FAT32 to linux on my usb drive? its taking for ever to transfer files |
| 15:57.14 | Kevin` | you want to format the drive as fat32? |
| 15:57.51 | mrrcp1 | hrm its fat now |
| 15:57.59 | Kevin` | what do you want it to be |
| 15:58.00 | mrrcp1 | the usb hard drive |
| 15:58.02 | mrrcp1 | linux |
| 15:58.10 | Kevin` | linux has several filesystems |
| 15:58.17 | mrrcp1 | eh the fastest |
| 15:58.17 | mrrcp1 | lol |
| 15:58.19 | lobotomo | this is really sad, as much as I love Firefox on this old putter Opera fares much better... too bad that firefox is only usable with a bloat CPU |
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| 15:58.23 | Kevin` | how big is it |
| 15:58.24 | mrrcp1 | just to backup my files |
| 15:58.27 | mrrcp1 | 40 gig |
| 15:58.31 | Kevin` | i'd use ext3 |
| 15:58.39 | mrrcp1 | k |
| 15:58.42 | mrrcp1 | how |
| 15:58.51 | mrrcp1 | i have it mounted at /mnt now |
| 15:59.00 | Kevin` | unmount it |
| 15:59.07 | Kevin` | you don't have important data on it now, right |
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| 15:59.15 | abrotman | this is going to go poorly |
| 15:59.26 | mrrcp1 | lol |
| 15:59.35 | BladeRunner05 | Hi all, I'm trying to share a windows printer. I have problem to run "enable printername" because return this error -bash: enable: printername: not a shell builtin |
| 16:00.31 | Kevin` | might be easiest to rename the enable program to something else |
| 16:01.06 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:04.37 | Drakeson | how can I adjust my time with a remote time server? |
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| 16:04.55 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 16:04.55 | dpkg | well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 16:05.16 | master_o1_master | hi, is there a nfs4 user-server for debian? |
| 16:06.07 | Drakeson | I know about ntp but it is not installed. I have a feeling that the debian-installer was able to do that, so there might be another simple command for that. please correct me. |
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| 16:06.43 | abrotman | Drakeson: install ntp ... |
| 16:06.49 | Drakeson | thanks |
| 16:06.56 | abrotman | Drakeson: i mean . is that not possible? |
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| 16:07.22 | abrotman | you actually want to install ntpdate |
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| 16:08.54 | crypt_ex | Has anyone tried Cedega, so that you can play games in Linux? |
| 16:09.01 | Drakeson | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:09.10 | Kevin` | *windows games |
| 16:09.11 | abrotman | crypt_ex: ask #cedega |
| 16:09.15 | crypt_ex | ok |
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| 16:09.17 | Kevin` | linux has native games too :) |
| 16:09.30 | lobotomo | how can I close a window that refuses to close? |
| 16:09.37 | lobotomo | in irri? |
| 16:09.41 | lobotomo | irssi |
| 16:10.05 | roxy_ | I got this error using sudo aptitude update: Sorry, user roxy_ is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/aptitude update' as root on home. Is the "on home" information important ? why ? |
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| 16:11.44 | kronoz | is cdimage.debian.org down? |
| 16:11.55 | roxy_ | I got 1 alias: Cmnd_alias CMD = /usr/bin/aptitude and roxy_ ALL = CMD in my sudoers file. |
| 16:11.57 | crypt_ex | forget this Cedega, I think they want my £££ |
| 16:11.58 | crypt_ex | kik |
| 16:11.59 | crypt_ex | lol |
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| 16:12.06 | BladeRunner05 | Hi all, I'm trying to share a windows printer. I have problem to run "enable printername" because return this error -bash: enable: printername: not a shell builtin |
| 16:12.48 | crypt_ex | When I try and load up a OpenGL based game (q4), it moans about a file not present. GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two not found? Any suggestions? |
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| 16:15.00 | abrotman | crypt_ex: in cedega? |
| 16:15.24 | crypt_ex | abrotman, No, this after using the q4-demo installer |
| 16:15.31 | samhob | hello all i need help please i still cant find how to make dhcp client to start after pcmcia intialization on boot , please help me thanks |
| 16:15.51 | crypt_ex | I have been looking through apt-cache search and think I have installed what I thought was needed, but it still dont fire up :( |
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| 16:16.04 | crypt_ex | was just wondering if any of you lot may know. |
| 16:16.11 | azeem | samhob: it should just work if you set the appropriate network interface to dhcp and auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:16.26 | oskude | crypt_ex: just a quess: your opengl card/driver doesnt support texture sizes that are not in power of two |
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| 16:16.34 | jor | crypt_ex: which video card/driver are you using? |
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| 16:16.46 | crypt_ex | Radeon 9800 Pro |
| 16:16.48 | crypt_ex | ATI |
| 16:17.13 | crypt_ex | jor, erm, driver, how can I find that out? |
| 16:17.13 | jor | crypt_ex: need to use ati's closed source/fglrx drivers |
| 16:17.21 | jor | glxinfo |
| 16:17.31 | crypt_ex | jor I have just installed them, in the unstable tree |
| 16:17.40 | crypt_ex | dpkg -i fglrx-driver_8.24.8-1_i386.deb |
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| 16:17.46 | samhob | azeem: on this file i have set: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:17.50 | samhob | but still not working |
| 16:17.54 | crypt_ex | may need to restart X then I presume jor? |
| 16:18.01 | samhob | should i add something? |
| 16:18.10 | azeem | samhob: and auto eth0? |
| 16:18.10 | abrotman | pre-up modprobe <blah> ? |
| 16:18.37 | samhob | auto eth0 ?? thx: |
| 16:18.40 | jor | crypt_ex: yes, after you configured X to use the fglrx driver |
| 16:18.40 | samhob | !! |
| 16:18.41 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 16:18.41 | samhob | ill try |
| 16:19.00 | crypt_ex | ah ha, jor is there simple steps to do this? |
| 16:19.08 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 16:19.08 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 16:19.40 | crypt_ex | okay, thanks abrotman jor, will give that lot a try. |
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| 16:20.20 | samhob | thx it worked ;) |
| 16:21.01 | RetroJ | Can anyone recommend a good package for the following? ... On my network, one machine has a projects directory that contains all my source code, as well as configuration files for various programs. I want to be able to do checkouts and checkins and merges of those files, within my network. I don't need revision control, and I don't want my files to be stored in any special format. It would be nice, but not required, to have def |
| 16:21.02 | RetroJ | checkout locations, so that if I `checkout .Xresources' the system would know that that file goes in the home directory. |
| 16:21.13 | shawnr_ | is there a was to check for pci slots? not if there is anything in them, (cause there isn't) just if the kernel knows that they are there |
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| 16:22.35 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.51 | shawnr_ | hey enouf whats up |
| 16:22.58 | shawnr_ | thanks |
| 16:23.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:23.51 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.24 | shawnr_ | lol neither found |
| 16:24.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.42 | shawnr_ | gonna have to unplug this comp to get the other online lol |
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| 16:24.56 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.13 | shawnr_ | pain in my ass lol |
| 16:25.21 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.40 | abrotman | RetroJ: i'm not aware of anything like that off the top of my hed |
| 16:25.42 | abrotman | head |
| 16:26.01 | crypt_ex | I have added deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing contrib non-free to the end of my sources.list file to get fglrx-kernel-src but this does not download. this is strange. |
| 16:26.34 | lobotomo | can bmp read CD's? |
| 16:26.37 | kromagg | crypt_ex: it could be that the mirror is in the middle of updating so file list and files are slightly out of sync |
| 16:26.54 | abrotman | apt-get update ? |
| 16:26.57 | RetroJ | abrotman: ok, how about a next best? |
| 16:27.04 | crypt_ex | kromagg, oh no not another mirror issue lol, I had one of these the other day. |
| 16:27.06 | abrotman | RetroJ: cvs :) |
| 16:27.12 | kromagg | crypt_ex: assuming you updated your index list of course |
| 16:27.14 | abrotman | svn .. rcs .. darcs .. tons of things |
| 16:27.23 | crypt_ex | kromagg, apt-get update |
| 16:27.33 | grendal_prime | anyone else having probs with flash stuff? |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | it sucks? |
| 16:27.52 | grendal_prime | and whats the name of that font package you need for the fonts to be right? |
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| 16:28.11 | seeds | ya my flash dont work |
| 16:28.13 | crypt_ex | kromagg, will try another mirror |
| 16:28.24 | mrrcp1 | abrotman, so hba = /home and hda /swap & ? |
| 16:28.30 | RetroJ | abrotman: the main thing I want to avoid is storing my files in a special repository format. These files are stored on my main desktop machine, so I want to be able to edit and use them in place, without having to checkout. |
| 16:28.31 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 16:28.38 | kromagg | crypt_ex: you could just get it from p.d.o if it's just one package |
| 16:28.43 | mrrcp1 | so i can use both hd |
| 16:28.52 | abrotman | RetroJ: you could use .. rsync? maybe? |
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| 16:28.55 | crypt_ex | pdo? |
| 16:29.03 | grendal_prime | rsync rocks |
| 16:29.03 | kromagg | crypt_ex: packages.debian.org |
| 16:29.06 | crypt_ex | aha |
| 16:29.07 | RetroJ | abrotman: ok, I'll check it out. thank you |
| 16:29.09 | crypt_ex | good idea |
| 16:29.12 | abrotman | RetroJ: maybe ask in ##linux to see if anyone has a BOOTB |
| 16:29.23 | grendal_prime | its so damn easy it makes me wonder why anyone would use anything else |
| 16:30.32 | RetroJ | abrotman: and what does BOOTB mean? |
| 16:30.36 | crypt_ex | ah, I know why now, this is in the unstable tree, I had mine setup for testing |
| 16:30.51 | abrotman | bolt out of the blue |
| 16:31.15 | RetroJ | ah |
| 16:31.17 | crypt_ex | sorted installed. |
| 16:31.19 | mrrcp1 | i need a swap and a / correct for debian |
| 16:31.19 | mrrcp1 | ? |
| 16:31.20 | RetroJ | thanks for the help |
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| 16:31.43 | eps | mrrcp1 as always |
| 16:31.47 | mrrcp1 | k |
| 16:31.59 | eps | I also recommend a /home dir that is a different paritition than your / |
| 16:32.20 | mrrcp1 | and then i can make /home on hba |
| 16:32.36 | lobotomo | can bmp read CD's? |
| 16:32.39 | lobotomo | I need something that can read CD's as well |
| 16:32.40 | mrrcp1 | then it should work correct |
| 16:32.41 | abrotman | wtf is bmp ? |
| 16:32.46 | mrrcp1 | bitmap |
| 16:32.47 | mrrcp1 | lol |
| 16:32.49 | lobotomo | beep media player |
| 16:32.50 | abrotman | mrrcp1: shut it |
| 16:32.55 | abrotman | lobotomo: try it and see |
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| 16:32.59 | crypt_ex | okay I have compiled and install the fglrx module, how do I load this in replacement to my current X module? |
| 16:33.06 | lobotomo | abrotman: that's not the way it works |
| 16:33.10 | abrotman | mrrcp1: i knew(really was hoping) that wasn't what he meant :) |
| 16:33.15 | abrotman | lobotomo: it doesn't ? |
| 16:33.25 | lobotomo | abrotman: your answer |
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| 16:33.31 | mrrcp1 | :P |
| 16:33.35 | abrotman | lobotomo: you can't try it and see ? |
| 16:34.02 | lobotomo | abrotman: well I wanted to ask and hear from any users |
| 16:34.12 | mrrcp1 | i hope these hd dont get hot now |
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| 16:35.01 | mrrcp1 | 240 gigs now MWHAHA 40 gigs dedicated to / and 200 to /home heh |
| 16:35.47 | grendal_prime | how about the crossover plugin for mozilla, abrotman you had any luck with that? |
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| 16:35.59 | abrotman | no ... |
| 16:36.04 | abrotman | never tried either |
| 16:36.06 | grendal_prime | i hate the idea, but well... |
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| 16:36.33 | grendal_prime | anyone else have any luck with crossover plugin? |
| 16:36.38 | crypt_ex | do I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to make X-windows load up fglrx module? |
| 16:37.43 | abrotman | do you have XFree86 or Xorg |
| 16:39.05 | crypt_ex | Xorg |
| 16:39.28 | crypt_ex | If I remember rightly. |
| 16:40.20 | crypt_ex | I have xfree86-common and xserver-xfree86 installed, but I have loads of x-server-xorg-* packages installed. |
| 16:40.44 | enouf | RetroJ: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/97 "Automatic Debian Package Repository HOWTO" ...impatience loses once again ...tsk, tsk more specifically http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debrepository |
| 16:40.46 | crypt_ex | but I think those two packages are for the transition? |
| 16:40.58 | cahoot | crypt_ex: X -version would tell you |
| 16:41.26 | crypt_ex | X Window System Version 7.0.0 |
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| 16:41.54 | alan` | so it has 8 slots |
| 16:41.56 | alan` | woops |
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| 16:49.35 | shawnr_ | enouf, what am i looking for exactly in hwinfo. i get alot of stuff |
| 16:50.29 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.40 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.08 | mrrcp1 | how can i list my hd devices |
| 16:52.26 | shawnr_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/raw/106834 |
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| 16:53.12 | enouf | Ok -- I'll have a look -- also try 'sudo hwinfo | grep PCI' which yields a bit more |
| 16:53.30 | crypt_ex | do I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to make X-windows load up fglrx module? I have compiled this module now and just need to use it, or do I just run modprobe? |
| 16:54.03 | mrrcp1 | Can someone tell me the command to see what size my hard drives are |
| 16:54.09 | shawnr_ | what does this mean? : sudo: unable to lookup hostdeb.example.com via gethostbyname() |
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| 16:54.49 | LinuxHelp | So er, how do I change my hostname? :D |
| 16:55.01 | crypt_ex | modprobe fglrx results : FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 16:55.07 | LinuxHelp | ^^ debs testing |
| 16:55.32 | crypt_ex | LinuxHelp, run hostname and edit /etc/hosts |
| 16:55.51 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.28 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.29 | shawnr_ | enouf, 4 on an asus tx97-xv |
| 16:56.39 | mrrcp1 | crypt_ex, u know how i can list my hard drives? i thought it was fdisk -l but it no worky |
| 16:56.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.14 | shawnr_ | no |
| 16:57.15 | LinuxHelp | crypt_ex, I've already edited /etc/hosts and then rebooted but I still have my old hostname... I'm looking for a config file I missed? |
| 16:57.23 | crypt_ex | mrrcp1, mrrcp1 fdisk -l should work |
| 16:57.33 | shawnr_ | enouf, 4 pci slots on my mobo |
| 16:57.33 | crypt_ex | mrrcp1, what does it output? |
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| 16:57.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.54 | mrrcp1 | blank |
| 16:57.56 | mrrcp1 | nothing |
| 16:58.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.03 | shawnr_ | enouf, no not root. |
| 16:58.08 | shawnr_ | enouf, 3 isa |
| 16:58.18 | crypt_ex | edit /etc/hostname |
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| 16:58.28 | mrrcp1 | hrm |
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| 16:58.31 | crypt_ex | bbias |
| 16:58.36 | mrrcp1 | it shows me nothing |
| 16:58.46 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.24 | shawnr_ | no cards install, what im trying to do is check if the pci slots are functioning properly, before i purchase a nic |
| 16:59.29 | LinuxHelp | thx |
| 16:59.38 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.45 | shawnr_ | enouf, thats correct |
| 17:00.10 | shawnr_ | enouf, 4 pci and 3 isa : All empty right now |
| 17:00.23 | mrrcp1 | how can i see what HD my /home dir is located on |
| 17:00.24 | mrrcp1 | ? |
| 17:00.25 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.59 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.19 | shawnr_ | i sent you the pastebin from hwinfo |
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| 17:01.27 | shawnr_ | lemme install dmidecode |
| 17:01.36 | lobotomo | how can I install something with all the dependencies? |
| 17:01.44 | lobotomo | do I have to do it manually? |
| 17:01.46 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.11 | shawnr_ | lobotomo, apt-get install foo (will install depens) |
| 17:02.48 | shawnr_ | i keep getting this everytime i use sudo: sudo: unable to lookup hostdeb.example.com via gethostbyname() |
| 17:03.04 | abrotman | lobotomo: they are dependencies .. they hsould install automagically |
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| 17:03.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.53 | daniele83 | hi! how can I see If a network port is used and by which program is used? |
| 17:04.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.02 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 17:04.19 | shawnr_ | enouf, sudo is working i just get that msg every time |
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| 17:04.46 | hildi | mmrcp1: df |
| 17:04.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.00 | shawnr_ | # dmidecode 2.6 |
| 17:05.00 | shawnr_ | # No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry |
| 17:05.01 | mrrcp1 | df? |
| 17:05.16 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.20 | mrrcp1 | thanks hildi |
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| 17:05.44 | shawnr_ | enouf, i installed hwinfo, i already gave you the pastebin didn't i? |
| 17:05.45 | hildi | mmrcp1: np |
| 17:05.59 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.13 | shawnr_ | ahh lol one sec |
| 17:06.14 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.27 | shawnr_ | huh? |
| 17:06.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.57 | syntaxx | im using sarge how can i update my wine to their latest release? |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | ask #winehq |
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| 17:09.36 | shawnr_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/raw/106855 |
| 17:10.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.02 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 17:14.03 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
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| 17:14.50 | abrotman | ubuntu_user_01: yes .. it seems to be down .. try ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/ |
| 17:15.07 | shawnr_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/raw/106862 |
| 17:15.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.27 | ubuntu_user_01 | thanks |
| 17:15.39 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.07 | enouf | Go into the BIOS and find the Plug-n-Pray Screen area and "Enable" -- also "Reset ESCD" if there -- Then look under IRQ area and make certain that the max IRQs are available -- and allow "Sharing" -- Exit Saving changes and reboot |
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| 17:18.21 | enouf | Do you use GRUB? |
| 17:18.35 | shawnr_ | yes |
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| 17:19.35 | enouf | shawnr_ : OK then - when you done with BIOS settings we'll add GRUB entry |
| 17:20.31 | enouf | shawnr_ : ESCD may appear as "Configuration Data" in there |
| 17:20.33 | roxy_ | the debian security book shows: sxid, aide (Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment), tripwire, integrit and samhain for checking file system integrity. Which one would be best for a workstation ? |
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| 17:21.35 | unix_infidel | anyone else here have problems with their usb drives taking time to get registered as part of /dev/sdXn |
| 17:21.54 | unix_infidel | i keep on getting amount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 17:21.56 | shawnr_ | enouf, ok be back in a minute |
| 17:22.27 | enouf | ok |
| 17:22.27 | unix_infidel | however, if i wait long enough, it eventually gets recognized and works. |
| 17:23.24 | lobotomo | damn!! what package do I need in order to listen to musix?? |
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| 17:23.58 | roxy_ | lobotomo: mplayer |
| 17:24.02 | roxy_ | !marillat |
| 17:24.02 | dpkg | i guess marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 17:24.39 | lobotomo | what about that... I can see the video but no listen |
| 17:25.27 | roxy_ | lobotomo: can you listen to something else ? is it a music problem or a sound problem ? |
| 17:25.38 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 17:25.41 | lobotomo | roxy_: isn't there a package or something for Debian that handles sound like alsamixer? |
| 17:25.54 | roxy_ | !alsa |
| 17:25.54 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 17:26.02 | roxy_ | !alsa one-liner |
| 17:26.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 17:26.30 | lobotomo | thanks |
| 17:27.20 | lobotomo | lovely oneliner |
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| 17:29.01 | lobotomo | what's a frontend GUI apt-get for someone non-geeky non-techie? |
| 17:29.19 | usr13 | [New debian install - Kernel=2.6.8-2-686] How to access usb flash drive? |
| 17:29.35 | usr13 | [New to Debian.] |
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| 17:30.33 | usr13 | [New to 2.6 kernel] |
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| 17:33.08 | shawnr_ | enouf, ok im back ;) |
| 17:33.36 | lobotomo | what can this mean ? alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 17:33.55 | enouf | shawnr_: hey |
| 17:33.58 | roxy_ | lobotomo: kpackage |
| 17:34.15 | roxy_ | lobotomo: did you run alsaconf ? |
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| 17:34.27 | lobotomo | roxy_: I think so let me try againç |
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| 17:35.24 | lobotomo | video worked outta the box |
| 17:35.28 | lobotomo | sound is giving me issues |
| 17:36.18 | abrotman | which kernel ? |
| 17:36.19 | enouf | shawnr_: update? info ? report? ;-p |
| 17:36.44 | shawnr_ | on its way one sec |
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| 17:36.51 | marz | hi |
| 17:37.02 | marz | does Debian support a Via Unicrome? |
| 17:37.09 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 17:37.33 | Gnuman | OK, what the hell am I doing wrong?!?!? |
| 17:37.33 | marz | the current |
| 17:37.48 | abrotman | sarge? |
| 17:37.49 | Gnuman | I'm using a USB Palm device |
| 17:37.53 | marz | yes :) |
| 17:38.05 | abrotman | !unichrmoe |
| 17:38.08 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 17:38.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 17:38.17 | shawnr_ | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/raw/106886 |
| 17:38.25 | Gnuman | I'm trying to sync from cli |
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| 17:38.41 | Gnuman | using jpilot-sync |
| 17:38.48 | enouf | shawnr_: BTW - Got the manual (pdf) for that thang ? |
| 17:38.49 | Gnuman | I( get a null userID |
| 17:39.07 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 17:39.19 | roxy_ | any aide user around ? I just install it using aptitude but I aide -i gives an error because it tries to find a file in /tmp :( |
| 17:39.27 | poonj | in my /etc/nsswitch.conf, for passwd it uses compat.. |
| 17:39.29 | poonj | what does that mean? |
| 17:40.08 | shawnr_ | enouf, checking out asus.com now brb |
| 17:40.19 | Gnuman | OK, I use install-user, but it either does not fine the palm device (as tyhe USB palm driver does not connect until after the hotsync button is pressed), or it waits forever to have me press the hotsync button, after it connects |
| 17:40.25 | Juerd | in 15 |
| 17:40.29 | Juerd | s/.*// |
| 17:40.32 | shawnr_ | enouf, omg this Dillo browser doesn't display anything right |
| 17:40.45 | Juerd | shawnr_: But it fits on a floppy! :) |
| 17:40.48 | enouf | shawnr_: boohoo -- same thing - What did you find in the BIOS? and what did you change if anything? -- it's funny, that mobo most certainly has a DMI and SMBios for dmideode to use -- BUT...Maybe not, if it's an OEM specific model :-( |
| 17:41.06 | marz | its not a rumor... my computer has a Unichrome |
| 17:41.52 | shawnr_ | enouf, i changed p&p to enabled, couldn't reset escd or irq settings or sharing |
| 17:41.57 | enouf | shawnr_: Get if from motherboard manuals -- google for this file "tx97xv-113.pdf" and make CERTAIN the Model #'s and Revision #'s match up -- otherwise it's lying to ya |
| 17:42.24 | shawnr_ | crap i don't know the rev number |
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| 17:43.37 | shawnr_ | enouf, man this dillo browser isn't working for crap. but firefox is too heavy for this old comp |
| 17:43.43 | Gnuman | Anyone? |
| 17:44.03 | enouf | shawnr_: try Epiphany |
| 17:46.18 | shawnr_ | lalala, im going to throw this computer out the window!! ;) |
| 17:46.48 | enouf | shawnr_: Ok -- buy buy :-p |
| 17:46.50 | abrotman | shawnr_: skipstone |
| 17:47.25 | enouf | shawnr_: Edit you /boot/grub/menu.lst to look like this http://pastebin.ca/106892 |
| 17:47.31 | abrotman | uhm .. guess it was removed |
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| 17:47.48 | abrotman | hi |
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| 17:48.22 | Vooloo | anyone got eurocard? :o |
| 17:48.28 | shawnr_ | enouf, lol apt-get epiphany install some game lol |
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| 17:49.10 | enouf | shawnr_: Oh yeah...I forgot -- it's epiphany-browser, or www-epiphany |
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| 17:49.22 | abrotman | epiphany is probably heavier than dillo |
| 17:49.25 | enouf | ..hehehe |
| 17:49.29 | shawnr_ | enouf, i have to install 107megs of gnome crap for that |
| 17:50.12 | enouf | shawnr_: hmm...it's FF based, but much faster -- but likely need the mozilla engines |
| 17:50.46 | abrotman | he could try non-free opera |
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| 17:51.15 | marz | btw: can't get debian to accept an S3 Trio-64 |
| 17:51.15 | enouf | abrotman: yeah -- it likely is heavier than dillo, but the rendering is better |
| 17:51.35 | shawnr_ | as long as its not as heavy as firefox |
| 17:51.37 | Gnuman | OK, I gotta go. . . |
| 17:51.49 | enouf | abrotman: haven't done the opera thing yet myself |
| 17:51.55 | abrotman | enouf: dillo uses the same rendering engine as mozilla/firefox/epiphany |
| 17:52.30 | enouf | abrotman: Oh...ok -- but for some reason the pages display much nicer for me in Epiphany than dillo |
| 17:52.58 | abrotman | enouf: maybe dillo is gtk1 and epiphany is gtk2? no idea |
| 17:53.22 | enouf | abrotman: Plus it's easier to config -- and very FF like in the interface -- me no know either about gtk? |
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| 17:53.45 | shawnr_ | enouf, didn't you say it wasn't gnome based? |
| 17:53.50 | abrotman | it would appear dillo is gtk1 and epiphany is gtk2 .. though i'm not sure why that'd matter |
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| 17:54.08 | shawnr_ | cause it wants me to install tons of gnome libs and random gnome-icon crap |
| 17:54.13 | enouf | abrotman: Dillo is great for a 50MB distro such as DSL, but I need a bit more when browsing |
| 17:54.14 | OmnipotentEntity | Did konqueror get merged with kdebase? |
| 17:54.24 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 17:54.25 | OmnipotentEntity | in unstable. |
| 17:54.28 | OmnipotentEntity | kk |
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| 17:54.40 | enouf | shawnr_: No -- I don't recall ever saying that ... |
| 17:54.41 | abrotman | enouf: skipstone was nice .. i guess it was abandoned |
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| 17:55.34 | shawnr_ | enouf, ok doing the epiphany thing. its installing mozilla-firefox like you said lol |
| 17:55.40 | davalex_ | how can I use apt-get to reinstall all of apaches config-files? deleted them by accident |
| 17:56.14 | enouf | shawnr_: I mean I haven't dissected each and every dependency of each pkg -- and some require some things I'm unaware of -- such as pieces of the larger DEs, like kde and gnome ... |
| 17:56.22 | abrotman | !tell davalex_ about confmiss |
| 17:56.52 | abrotman | shawnr_: did you use aptitude or apt ? |
| 17:56.56 | abrotman | erm or apt-get ? |
| 17:57.06 | enouf | davalex_: there ya go ;-) |
| 17:57.20 | shawnr_ | aptitude |
| 17:57.21 | enouf | davalex_: abrotman confmiss siggestion |
| 17:57.31 | abrotman | shawnr_: ok .. just making sure |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | well .. i just compiled skipstone in about 30 seconds :) |
| 17:58.48 | enouf | abrotman: skipstone ..hmmm -- will see later |
| 17:59.03 | shawnr_ | davalex_, apt-get --reinstall |
| 17:59.11 | abrotman | requires you to install some -dev packages .. but it really did compile and runs fast |
| 17:59.17 | abrotman | shawnr_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:59.27 | abrotman | davalex_: and dont' forget .. it's apache2-common or apache-common |
| 17:59.27 | enouf | abrotman: when I said that yesterday about compiling a lame mp3 plugin ...I got this; !wayc |
| 17:59.37 | davalex_ | but |
| 17:59.43 | abrotman | enouf: because lame is packaged .. |
| 17:59.43 | davalex_ | how do I use it? |
| 17:59.48 | abrotman | enouf: skipstone isn't |
| 17:59.50 | zinx | !info firefox unstable |
| 17:59.50 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 17:59.51 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:59.54 | dpkg | firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7861 kB, Installed size: 23896 kB |
| 17:59.55 | davalex_ | apt-get -o=apache2-common? |
| 18:00.03 | abrotman | it tells you right there |
| 18:00.04 | enouf | abrotman: hehehe -- yeah I know -- but I wanted to compile, compile, compile |
| 18:00.14 | zinx | ehm, is 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-3 vulnerable to the vurnerabilities fixed in 1.5.0.5? |
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| 18:00.30 | abrotman | zinx: check the BTS? |
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| 18:00.43 | zinx | abrotman: with what? |
| 18:00.49 | zinx | abrotman: can't use firefox :D |
| 18:00.53 | abrotman | why not? |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | use lynx ... it is just text |
| 18:01.02 | zinx | abrotman: 'cause if it's not fixed, i'll get pwnt |
| 18:01.14 | abrotman | !dbugs 380463 |
| 18:01.17 | dpkg | #380463:[firefox] Multiple critical security vulnerabilities; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:03:19 UTC |
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| 18:01.28 | zinx | thanks for the number |
| 18:01.41 | davalex_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:01.49 | davalex_ | worked it out now :) |
| 18:01.53 | abrotman | zinx: apt-listbugs ? |
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| 18:01.58 | zinx | that bug sez: it's broke :/ |
| 18:02.07 | shawnr_ | enouf, making progress over here ;) |
| 18:02.09 | abrotman | well .. there's no follow up |
| 18:02.15 | zinx | yeah. |
| 18:02.16 | enouf | shawnr_: how we doing? Did you see my pastebin about the /boot/grub/menu.lst entry ? -- ahhh ...cool |
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| 18:02.30 | zinx | which tells me the firefox maintainer's neglecting the package :P |
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| 18:02.40 | abrotman | zinx: file a bug/whine ? |
| 18:02.41 | zinx | it should at least be marked INVALID or something |
| 18:02.47 | zinx | abrotman: what good will that do? |
| 18:02.56 | abrotman | zinx: nfc ... use opera? :) |
| 18:02.59 | abrotman | !maint firefox |
| 18:03.02 | dpkg | firefox: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org> |
| 18:03.03 | zinx | <- poor man |
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| 18:03.11 | abrotman | zinx: opera is free |
| 18:03.13 | Grund | ktos tu po polskiemu smiga ? i chce mi pomoc :) |
| 18:03.19 | abrotman | free as in beer .. not speach |
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| 18:03.22 | abrotman | speech |
| 18:03.27 | abrotman | !tell l about root |
| 18:03.34 | abrotman | Grund: what language is that? |
| 18:03.45 | Grund | polish |
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| 18:03.48 | abrotman | !pl |
| 18:03.49 | dpkg | well, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 18:04.13 | abrotman | with 1 person! |
| 18:04.24 | abrotman | Grund: if you can speak english well enough .. you can ask here :) |
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| 18:11.35 | rhalff | how can I solve a 'PAM pam_putenv: delete non-existent entry;' in the auth.log, some environment variables won't be set, do I have to register these with pam somewhere ? |
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| 18:12.11 | shawnr_ | enouf, with an old computer... and alot of "hda: dma_timer_expiry" errors. would it be wise to install a 2.6 kernel. right now im running 2.4 |
| 18:12.18 | enouf | shawnr_: Mobo Revision # is printed on the mobo PCboard itself |
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| 18:12.55 | enouf | shawnr_: ummm...not certain-- but I have multiple kernels installed I can boot to |
| 18:13.42 | enouf | shawnr_: 2.4 seems ok for that old a p5...and you shouldn't use 686, but perhaps try 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 18:14.24 | shawnr_ | ok now i see your post |
| 18:14.30 | shawnr_ | where is the grub file located |
| 18:14.57 | enouf | shawnr_: Listen -- I think either ; A] Someone o/ced the crap outta that thing and blew the SouthBridge -- or you're missing Jumper shunts to cover tyhe pins -- or your Lithium BIOS battery is D-e-a-d dead |
| 18:15.21 | shawnr_ | nowec, new battery |
| 18:15.35 | blondie | how do you save iptables rules? |
| 18:16.07 | shawnr_ | where is the grub file located |
| 18:16.12 | enouf | shawnr_: I say this because the PCI bus issues and HDD are cotrolled through the SB -- whereas Serial stuff like ISA Keys, mouse, etc are via the I/O chip |
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| 18:16.26 | shawnr_ | hmm |
| 18:16.27 | enouf | shawnr_: it's in /etc/boot/menu.lst |
| 18:16.42 | enouf | shawnr_: it's in WHOOOPS /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:16.44 | shawnr_ | lets hope not. lemme try this grub thing and see what happens |
| 18:16.58 | zinx | abrotman: bastard. Opera's Qt :( |
| 18:17.15 | roxy_ | is it possible to set sshd to ask for key+password ? |
| 18:17.29 | abrotman | zinx: i use the static one |
| 18:18.42 | zinx | there are so many gtk themes to look like qt |
| 18:18.46 | zinx | but no qt themes to look like gtk |
| 18:18.54 | zinx | i can only assume that qt is so inferior that it can not support such a thing |
| 18:18.55 | abrotman | zinx: i don't like Qt either .. but i like opera .. so i suffer :) |
| 18:19.03 | shawnr_ | enouf, ok rebooting lets find out |
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| 18:19.46 | enouf | shawnr_: You ATLEAST need to Revisit the BIOS settings and check on your ISA and IRQ resource settings -- but a dead battery will usually not save any settings, nor will the system time be correct (but it's weird sometimes) -- nust make sure that PDF is the same as yours -- and then we can se if your hardware went ka-ploo-ey ;-) |
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| 18:20.28 | enouf | goes off for a quick snack ...yummm |
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| 18:22.51 | zinx | oh dear |
| 18:23.14 | zinx | f' that |
| 18:23.25 | zinx | abrotman: it's also i386 only :/ |
| 18:23.34 | abrotman | zinx: wtf do you have? |
| 18:23.37 | zinx | one of the many reasons i hate closed source software |
| 18:23.40 | zinx | abrotman: amd64 |
| 18:23.47 | abrotman | zinx: oh .. you have pure64 .. hrm |
| 18:23.53 | zinx | debian-amd64 :/ |
| 18:24.00 | abrotman | zinx: silly me .. made an assumption :) |
| 18:24.17 | zinx | i'm not an amd64 purist |
| 18:24.26 | zinx | but it's a real pain to run big i386 apps on debian |
| 18:24.39 | zinx | well, debian-amd64 |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | yeah .. i've heard |
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| 18:25.14 | zinx | i have it set up fairly well, but it's still somewhat annoying to manage the chroot (installation, upgrading, etc) :/ |
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| 18:26.49 | davalex_ | how do I enable php4 in apache? doesnt happen when I install php4. I dont get this php4.load file.. |
| 18:27.09 | zinx | davalex_: you need libapache*-mod-php4 |
| 18:27.20 | zinx | where * may vary depending on your installed version of apache |
| 18:27.24 | davalex_ | ah |
| 18:27.35 | zinx | apt-cache search mod-php for a list of them |
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| 18:28.19 | shawnr_ | enouf, same thing it looks like |
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| 18:28.40 | terminal|giga | anyone get 2.6.17 kernel working on debian 3.1 - testing? |
| 18:28.54 | terminal|giga | i tried apt-get'ing it and it borked my system |
| 18:29.14 | terminal|giga | i guess i could try to build it but then I'd have a load of scripts that would fail as well as all the usermode drivers |
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| 18:30.06 | poonj | I'm trying to setup a system that requires a modificiation to /etc/nsswitch.conf. I modify passwd: compat to passwd: files |
| 18:30.12 | poonj | now everything is broken... |
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| 18:30.19 | poonj | anyone here know the reason to that? |
| 18:30.45 | enouf | shawnr_: Ok -- you'll need to gain some more knowledge from reading the mobo manual -- your PCI buses aren't showing up it seems, and you have HDD issues -- so d/l and read that PDF carefully -see Page 35 for the [1]Clear PnP ESCD ..and [2]Update BIOS BootBlock Data -- go get yourself a new $5 lithium battery for it -- pull the old one first to match it |
| 18:31.32 | shawnr_ | i already put a new lithium battery in |
| 18:31.37 | shawnr_ | i will check out the manual |
| 18:31.52 | enouf | shawnr_: Make sure the jumper shunts are there, and are spanning the correct pins -- |
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| 18:32.08 | faber3 | evening, good |
| 18:32.14 | shawnr_ | enouf, jumpuer shunts went right over my head |
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| 18:32.16 | shawnr_ | lol |
| 18:32.24 | shawnr_ | enouf, sry i know im a pain in the ass |
| 18:32.32 | shawnr_ | enouf, but i am learning |
| 18:32.34 | faber3 | offtopic: is someone speaking polish and could help me? |
| 18:32.39 | shawnr_ | enouf, thanks to you lol |
| 18:32.41 | enouf | shawnr_: the manual will show you ;-) |
| 18:32.53 | shawnr_ | enouf, did you find that man? |
| 18:33.23 | enouf | shawnr_: no prb ;-) -- I need a breaknow anyways... Oh yeah I found the PDF - I agve you the addy before |
| 18:33.32 | shawnr_ | i missed it |
| 18:33.41 | shawnr_ | lemme check logs, hope they are enabled |
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| 18:34.21 | enouf | shawnr_: Here -- maybe I didn't give the URL -- http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/manuals/ASUS/ look down the page for your Model |
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| 18:37.49 | enouf | shawnr_: stop searching the logs ;-) !! here: http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/manuals/ASUS/ |
| 18:37.59 | peder_ | Jul 30 19:31:02 petruz imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] <- Can anyone answer me why I get that error? Im using courier, set to use autovchkpw and it works great under pop, but not imap. |
| 18:38.04 | shawnr_ | got it thanks |
| 18:38.25 | enouf | ok -- I'm out for now |
| 18:38.30 | shawnr_ | k later |
| 18:38.32 | shawnr_ | thanks |
| 18:38.44 | enouf | ^_^ |
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| 18:40.35 | samhob | hi all, where is apt-setup gone?? i dont have in my system |
| 18:40.39 | rhalff | any command to reinstall a package without removing ? |
| 18:40.57 | rhalff | I think localepurge screwed up my mysql installation |
| 18:40.58 | shawnr_ | rhalff, apt-get --reinstall |
| 18:41.04 | asg | rhalff: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 18:41.20 | shawnr_ | oops close ;) |
| 18:41.24 | rhalff | ok thanks :) |
| 18:41.39 | asg | rhalff: depending on what you've done, /msg dpkg confmiss (may also help) |
| 18:42.52 | samhob | another question : how can i install gnome :D if i do apt-get install gnome , or apt-get install gnome-core or whatever i get unmet dependencies :) |
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| 18:44.02 | rhalff | asg, well I get this message again with mysql 'mysql: Character set 'utf-8' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index.xml' file' |
| 18:44.29 | rhalff | didn't get that in ages, and it's veryyy irritating to solve :) seems localepurge wasn't the problem. |
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| 18:45.14 | rhalff | google is getting more worse everyday in finding any helpfull answers also. |
| 18:45.23 | mha13 | how do i report a bug and how to fix it ? |
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| 18:45.49 | Munchkinguy | What version of GNOME will "etch" come with? |
| 18:45.49 | mha13 | i tried qa.debian.org but i didn't understand how to join or where to send .. |
| 18:46.02 | blondie | Munchkinguy: "will" it? |
| 18:46.35 | Munchkinguy | does |
| 18:46.39 | Munchkinguy | it |
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| 18:47.49 | Munchkinguy | So... |
| 18:49.10 | rhalff | or is mysql in debian compiled with no UTF-8 support by default ? |
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| 18:49.20 | Munchkinguy | What version of GNOME does "etch" come with? |
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| 18:51.01 | mha13 | where do i post bug info ? |
| 18:52.36 | azeem | mha13: did you find a new bug, or do you want to add information to an existing bug? |
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| 18:53.02 | mha13 | azeem:i had found new bug and how to fix it . |
| 18:53.30 | azeem | mha13: which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 18:53.59 | mha13 | azeem: i'm runnig unstable but this "bug" happens in testing also . |
| 18:54.37 | azeem | did you check the bug tracking system whether it is already reported? |
| 18:54.38 | azeem | !bts |
| 18:54.38 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 18:55.07 | Munchkinguy | Could someone please answer my question? |
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| 18:55.31 | azeem | Munchkinguy: 2.14 currently |
| 18:56.18 | _rockstar | Anyone know why I don't have any output plugins for xmms anymore? Sad day... |
| 18:56.22 | terminal|giga | i concur with azeem. |
| 18:56.39 | Munchkinguy | That's pretty good. I was thinking it might be 2.12 |
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| 18:56.54 | azeem | _rockstar: known bug in unstable, AFAIK |
| 18:56.56 | mha13 | azeem:the bug involves sevreal responsibole packages : debconf that uses kde dialog apt-get that updates database |
| 18:57.08 | azeem | mha13: hrm |
| 18:57.12 | _rockstar | azeem, it was working though... Got a workaround? |
| 18:57.17 | azeem | mha13: can you describe it in more detail |
| 18:57.26 | azeem | _rockstar: check the BTS and wait for a fix |
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| 18:58.14 | mha13 | azeem:if you use kde insted of dialog in debconf and you don't have running X /your X prevents you to connect it |
| 18:59.11 | mha13 | azeem:and you try to install package that need configuration apt-get will put an entry that this file have been installed and will create dpkg-diversions |
| 18:59.35 | mha13 | azeem:it will prevent apt-get remove or install the same package |
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| 18:59.54 | mha13 | azeem:and i know how to fix it .. |
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| 19:00.26 | davalex_ | how can I access webmin from other hosts than localhost? |
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| 19:00.54 | mha13 | azeem:1. to change debcong temorarly to -fdialog and remove diversion using dpkg-divert --remove |
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| 19:04.49 | nix__ | hello everybody |
| 19:05.53 | nix__ | hello everybody |
| 19:08.12 | abrotman | dr nick? |
| 19:08.17 | nix__ | hello there |
| 19:08.34 | dvs | abrotman: Hey, I resisted the temptation. |
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| 19:08.49 | abrotman | mechanical polar bear ? |
| 19:09.20 | dvs | abrotman: ahhhhh... no. (Hi, Dr. Nick) |
| 19:09.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:11.19 | Raito | Hmm, for some reason debian can't autodetect my computer's ethernet. In windows it says I have: 1394 Network Adapter, Intel (R) PRO/1000 PL Network Connection, Intel (R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network connection. I think I would need e1000 as my driver but when I select that it asks for additional parameters. If I boot up the debian installed with linux26 then if I select e1000 the screen flashes and nothing happens. What should I do? |
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| 19:14.11 | terminal|giga | Raito, you should google your network card and debian first |
| 19:14.39 | valdyn | Raito: that wireless chipset is not supported by debian, certainly, i dont know about the other |
| 19:14.57 | dvs | valdyn: it's FireWire |
| 19:15.17 | valdyn | dvs: well yes, i saw |
| 19:15.18 | Raito | valdyn: Well, I don't care about wireless, but I'm googling it now, sorry |
| 19:16.02 | terminal|giga | don't be sorry, just it's easier to not have to reinvent the wheel when google could have your answer |
| 19:16.03 | dvs | oh, there are three interfaces there |
| 19:16.08 | terminal|giga | or hints at least |
| 19:17.42 | Raito | Umm, sorry, but Google doesn't have the answer T_T |
| 19:17.50 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:17.58 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 19:18.14 | dvs | Raito: the last link |
| 19:18.29 | abrotman | and the 3945 driver has to come from sf.net i think |
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| 19:19.40 | Raito | dvs: I think my install CD already has a 2.6 kernel, because it was able boot up with the linux26 command. Or am I dead wrong? |
| 19:20.10 | dvs | Raito: it's a 2.6.8 kernel, it's not the best kernel to use |
| 19:20.25 | raf256 | dpkg: mplayer |
| 19:20.33 | dpkg | [mplayer] not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:20.43 | Raito | okay, I hope this new kernel has support for it |
| 19:20.50 | dvs | raf256: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:21.12 | raf256 | dvs: oik |
| 19:21.55 | raf256 | what to install to have full suppot to play vidoes (with all formats, DVD, win32 codecs etc)? |
| 19:22.18 | dvs | raf256: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 19:23.37 | raf256 | dvs: yeah, I ment "is it enought to get mplayer" |
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| 19:23.53 | dvs | raf256: yes |
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| 19:25.21 | dylan_ | How do I remove KDE? |
| 19:25.31 | dvs | dylan_: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 19:25.50 | dylan_ | I got it |
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| 19:25.59 | dylan_ | Anybody know how to make Firefox start-up faster? |
| 19:26.13 | terminal|giga | neat |
| 19:26.18 | hjubal | bye |
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| 19:27.02 | Raito | speaking of KDE, how would I make KDE install by default, instead of gnome? |
| 19:27.28 | factotum | anyone have experience with debian on a g4 ppc? just looking for opinions. Debating whether or not i would be better off with Deb instead of osx |
| 19:28.02 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 19:28.10 | factotum | !ppc |
| 19:28.13 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 19:28.14 | factotum | doh, sorry |
| 19:28.16 | abrotman | #debianppc |
| 19:29.27 | dylan_ | is there any way to make firefox start faster? |
| 19:29.47 | abrotman | prelinking maybe |
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| 19:30.04 | abrotman | !prelink |
| 19:30.20 | dylan_ | thx |
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| 19:30.59 | SputnICK | hi there |
| 19:31.11 | Drakeson | how can I change my keyboard layout? |
| 19:31.16 | Drakeson | (language) |
| 19:31.25 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 19:32.22 | abrotman | !hi |
| 19:32.29 | abrotman | aptitude: keymap |
| 19:32.29 | aptitude | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 19:32.52 | Drakeson | thanks |
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| 19:36.09 | dylan_ | how long of a time is prelink -all supposed to take? |
| 19:36.27 | abrotman | noidea |
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| 19:36.46 | dylan_ | its been taking 5 minutes thus far |
| 19:36.54 | dylan_ | actually its done now |
| 19:36.56 | dylan_ | nevermind ;) |
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| 19:41.11 | foo | How can I make a system use GMT for it's default time? |
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| 19:42.06 | abrotman | /etc/default/rcS/ |
| 19:42.10 | abrotman | erm .. no traliing / |
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| 19:44.27 | ma3x | hello, how do I enable 3d acceleration in sarge for nvidia card/ |
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| 19:45.53 | stoned | ma3x, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:46.47 | kimo | I have two real IPs. Is it possible to send requests through IF1 (using forged IP of IF2) and receive all downloads (replies) through IF2 ? Does this configuration have a name so I can google it? |
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| 19:47.49 | ma3x | is dpkg lagged? |
| 19:47.57 | stoned | dpkg, hi |
| 19:48.06 | stoned | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:48.13 | stoned | hmmm |
| 19:48.20 | stoned | apt, hi |
| 19:48.21 | apt | niihau |
| 19:48.39 | abrotman | aptitude: nvidia one-liner |
| 19:48.40 | aptitude | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 19:49.03 | stoned | badgers, ravenbird, apt, aptitude |
| 19:49.03 | badgers | i don't know, stoned |
| 19:49.06 | stoned | lol |
| 19:49.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is sleeping |
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| 19:49.22 | novata_peleona__ | does anyone knows which permision has this file??-->drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 4,0K 2006-07-30 21:34 crontabs |
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| 19:49.39 | stoned | novata_peleona__, why don't you learn how to read permissions? |
| 19:49.43 | EvilDin | hay how do i install kernel image 2.4.27-3 |
| 19:49.59 | novata_peleona__ | stoned, that "T" is what i dont knoe |
| 19:50.12 | novata_peleona__ | just that stoned . |
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| 19:51.49 | Yamaraj | Weekly testing builds on cdimage.debian.org are showing 0 bytes in size. |
| 19:52.02 | EvilDin | hay how do i install kernel image 2.4.27-3 |
| 19:52.07 | novata_peleona__ | i did not see nothing about that "t" stoned |
| 19:53.20 | vulture | Is it possible to remotely schedule a series of commands to run at runlevel 1? (so the system goes down to single user mode, executes them, and comes back up again) |
| 19:53.40 | abrotman | &wikifaq permissions |
| 19:53.42 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:53.45 | vulture | I want to resize my /var logical volume (& the filesystem on it) |
| 19:53.47 | abrotman | aptitude: wikifaq permissions |
| 19:53.50 | kimo | vulture: script ? |
| 19:53.54 | abrotman | wtf is it |
| 19:53.57 | abrotman | aptitude: wiki-faq permissions |
| 19:54.00 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | novata_peleona__: man chmod |
| 19:54.12 | stoned | its in the manpage man |
| 19:54.26 | stoned | novata_peleona__, i'll give you a clue, search the manpage for sticky |
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| 19:54.32 | novata_peleona__ | yes its the pegajose bit |
| 19:54.44 | vulture | kimo: sure a script would be involved, but I don't know how to get that script to execute in the right way. The only way I've ever been down to run level 0 is when I've got a display connected - I end up at a terminal, run some things, end the terminal session and the system comes back up to multi-user mode |
| 19:54.46 | novata_peleona__ | but how to activate |
| 19:54.53 | EvilDin | one thing what would debian do if i connect to usb a portable disc? |
| 19:54.56 | vulture | s/run level 0/run level 1/ |
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| 19:55.22 | Kevin` | EvilDin I think gnome will try to automount it by defauly |
| 19:55.30 | stoned | novata_peleona__, sorry my fault, read the info pages on chmod |
| 19:55.31 | EvilDin | cool |
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| 19:56.02 | stoned | novata_peleona__, I don't think there is a mention of sticky bits on the manpage. Info page has the information though. |
| 19:56.22 | EvilDin | am what should i install, i get this when compiling: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lid3tag |
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| 19:57.03 | abrotman | EvilDin: apt-cache search id3tag |
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| 19:58.25 | Thunderguy | I need help with a time problem, I got ntpdate and I had everything setup then on next reboot the time changed again it says 7 am and it's supposed to be 3 PM =/ |
| 19:58.54 | dvs | Thunderguy: sound more like a TZ problem than a ntpdate problem |
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| 19:59.22 | Thunderguy | well /etc/timezone reads the correct one |
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| 19:59.33 | Thunderguy | but that's the only time file I know about =/ |
| 20:00.01 | dvs | Thunderguy: but is your computer's lock set for UTC or local time? |
| 20:00.07 | dvs | *clock |
| 20:00.15 | Thunderguy | I have no idea |
| 20:00.18 | mbn_18 | i installed php5 on sarge ( testing ) but i can find the package php5-tidy. any idea ? |
| 20:00.26 | mbn_18 | can= cant |
| 20:00.29 | Thunderguy | when I type hwclock it says Eastern |
| 20:00.44 | Thunderguy | I mean the hwclock is supposed to be set to eastern |
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| 20:00.56 | dvs | Thunderguy: so that's local time. |
| 20:01.06 | Thunderguy | I could have slipped up during the install of Debian, but I don't know how to fix it at this point |
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| 20:01.15 | dvs | Thunderguy: do you have any other (Windows) operating systems on that computer? |
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| 20:01.26 | Thunderguy | Yes, but I never boot it |
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| 20:01.36 | Thunderguy | hasn't been booted in 5 months |
| 20:01.39 | IRCMonkeyx_ | i wanna buy debian cd's, they say that 14 cd's, why is it too many?? my friend says it downloads internet during installation :) new linux user here |
| 20:01.55 | dvs | Thunderguy: so that means that you have to keep the hardware clock set to local time. |
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| 20:02.06 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ the ~100mb single netinstall cd can install from the internet |
| 20:02.17 | Kevin` | the 14 cds don't need the internet |
| 20:02.42 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: how are you connected to the Internet? |
| 20:02.45 | Thunderguy | dvs: I don't know at what config to edit, the only time config I know about is /etc/timezone I need to find the one that has all that stuff in it so that I can tell it what the hwclock is set to |
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| 20:03.05 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: it has more than 15000 packages? what for all this? |
| 20:03.14 | IRCMonkeyx_ | dvs: adsl |
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| 20:03.31 | abrotman | Thunderguy: are you PDT? |
| 20:03.37 | Thunderguy | EDT |
| 20:03.37 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ it has all the programs available in debian.. you won't use them all probably |
| 20:03.40 | dvs | Thunderguy: it's a matter of dpkg-reconfigure a package but I forget the name |
| 20:03.47 | abrotman | it's 4pm |
| 20:03.54 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: USB modem? |
| 20:04.05 | abrotman | Thunderguy: hwclock |
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| 20:04.22 | IRCMonkeyx_ | dvs: unfortuanelty yes |
| 20:04.34 | Kevin` | the debian install doesn't support usb-ethernet? |
| 20:04.38 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: download the CDs (Just the first 5 or so) |
| 20:04.40 | waltz | guys, help.. I chose the wrong display monitor and now the graphics are all screwed up |
| 20:04.42 | waltz | what do I do? |
| 20:05.04 | waltz | everything works fine except for the display |
| 20:05.08 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: or the first DVD if you have a DVD player |
| 20:05.09 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ does the connection to your computer use dhcp or pppoe? |
| 20:05.26 | waltz | well? |
| 20:05.32 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: dhcp |
| 20:05.35 | dvs | Kevin`: I've heard nothing but trouble with USB modem installed |
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| 20:06.02 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 20:06.12 | Kevin` | dvs if it's standard usb-ethernet, using dhcp, I don't see much of a problem trying |
| 20:06.17 | abrotman | aptitude: drxx |
| 20:06.19 | aptitude | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 20:06.23 | IRCMonkeyx_ | friends i am gonna buy new modem, it is not working in ubuntu too |
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| 20:06.24 | Kevin` | the installer DOES support that right? |
| 20:06.28 | dvs | Kevin`: there is a standard USB modem? |
| 20:06.43 | Kevin` | there is a common usb-ethernet |
| 20:06.47 | waltz | okay, thank you abrotman, I'll take a look-see |
| 20:06.49 | Kevin` | most modems i've seen use |
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| 20:06.52 | MarvellRTL8139 | hello |
| 20:06.57 | MarvellRTL8139 | i got a problem |
| 20:07.05 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: an ethernet modem is MUCH easier to set up |
| 20:07.06 | MarvellRTL8139 | apt-get, synaptic and aptitude keep segfaulting |
| 20:07.07 | IRCMonkeyx_ | if it has conexant chipset, it is so problem |
| 20:07.23 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ that only applies to dialup modems.. |
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| 20:07.27 | MarvellRTL8139 | gdb told me it happens when they try to access the dependency cache or so |
| 20:07.45 | MarvellRTL8139 | what can i do about this |
| 20:08.07 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: i have adsl, but when it connects it behaves as dial-up |
| 20:08.25 | Kevin` | how so? |
| 20:08.42 | MarvellRTL8139 | Kevin`: |
| 20:08.52 | MarvellRTL8139 | Kevin`: where is that dependency cache saved ? |
| 20:08.59 | Kevin` | iono |
| 20:09.06 | Kevin` | I just use them |
| 20:09.17 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: because it is usb modem,usb adsl wirata wan modem |
| 20:09.32 | Kevin` | how does it behave like dialup I mean |
| 20:09.56 | holycow | if one changes the hostname, is it possible to have that applied to the machine without rebooting? |
| 20:10.34 | Kevin` | yes |
| 20:10.42 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: it is not like ethernet modem, when i log in,everytime, i have to call a number |
| 20:11.14 | Kevin` | you actually call a number using the dsl modem? |
| 20:11.17 | Kevin` | or just log in |
| 20:11.57 | Kevin` | what speed do you get, btw? |
| 20:12.06 | IRCMonkeyx_ | 1024 |
| 20:12.17 | IRCMonkeyx_ | kpbs |
| 20:12.40 | zinx | mmmm kilos per bit-seconds |
| 20:12.44 | Kevin` | usually dsl uses a persistant connection.. i've never heard of it doing any kind of dialing |
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| 20:12.52 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ what company? |
| 20:13.00 | IRCMonkeyx_ | cyprus here:) |
| 20:13.06 | zinx | Kevin`: it doesn't dial, but it still negotiates a connection |
| 20:13.12 | zinx | Kevin`: like a modem |
| 20:13.14 | Kevin` | zinx he said it dials |
| 20:13.26 | IRCMonkeyx_ | it dials people |
| 20:13.28 | rhys | how do i mount a scsi partition, via a full path? /dev/bus/scsi0/lun0/part3 or soemthing? |
| 20:13.33 | zinx | it sounds like ISDN, then |
| 20:13.45 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ can you use the phone at the same time? |
| 20:13.47 | zinx | and ISDN is 64kbps, not 1024 :/ |
| 20:13.53 | IRCMonkeyx_ | yes of course |
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| 20:13.57 | abrotman | 128 |
| 20:14.00 | Kevin` | then it can't be dialing |
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| 20:14.07 | Kevin` | isdn can go faster then 64 |
| 20:14.11 | abrotman | 128 |
| 20:14.14 | zinx | shows what i know |
| 20:14.22 | IRCMonkeyx_ | hey adsl lets you to do that |
| 20:14.23 | abrotman | aptitude: isdn |
| 20:14.24 | aptitude | well, isdn is (Integrated Services Digital Network) This is a digital line that is often used to connect to the Internet. It generally come in two flavors: one is a 56 Kbps version, which in actuality only uses half of the ISDN line's bandwidth; the other is the 128 Kbps version, which uses both the 56 Kbps channels on the line. However, that's only 112 Kbps--the other 16 Kbps are an 8 Kbps back channel of each line., or at http://www |
| 20:15.03 | Kevin` | how fast is an isdn pri? |
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| 20:15.13 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: can you actually hear it dialing, or are you just having to tell it to connect? |
| 20:15.28 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: does it have a phone number anywhere? :/ |
| 20:15.38 | IRCMonkeyx_ | yes sir i call a number |
| 20:15.50 | zinx | it's not DSL then |
| 20:15.55 | Kevin` | pick up the phone at the same time |
| 20:16.01 | Kevin` | can you hear it dial? |
| 20:16.04 | IRCMonkeyx_ | but i dont hear voices like dial up modems |
| 20:16.18 | rhys | does anyone know how to mount a scsi drive? |
| 20:16.19 | IRCMonkeyx_ | dsl modem:) |
| 20:16.43 | zinx | vagueness kills |
| 20:16.43 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ hmm |
| 20:16.51 | Kevin` | does it work if you plug it into a different line? |
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| 20:17.35 | IRCMonkeyx_ | nope it doesnt work, because it has to use line adsl-supported |
| 20:17.44 | IRCMonkeyx_ | nope it doesnt work, because it has to use a line adsl-supported |
| 20:17.49 | Kevin` | this just doesn't make sense |
| 20:17.53 | Kevin` | that's not how dsl works |
| 20:17.54 | Kevin` | heh |
| 20:18.02 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: what number do you 'call'? |
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| 20:18.11 | IRCMonkeyx_ | 9,35 |
| 20:18.17 | zinx | ok |
| 20:18.20 | zinx | that is not a number that you call |
| 20:18.26 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: that the VPI number |
| 20:18.39 | IRCMonkeyx_ | what is vpi? |
| 20:18.40 | zinx | and that is DSL |
| 20:19.02 | IRCMonkeyx_ | yes it is dsl |
| 20:19.21 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: what modem is it? |
| 20:19.22 | IRCMonkeyx_ | but if it was ethernet modem, i would not call these numbers |
| 20:19.22 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: that's more of a modem setting than "dialing somewhere" |
| 20:19.25 | ma3x | I blacklisted ipv6 in both ways (blacklist and discover.conf) and it is still loading |
| 20:19.29 | ma3x | how do Ireally stop it from loading |
| 20:19.38 | liable | abrotman: mod_dirindex or something very similar |
| 20:19.47 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ ethernet/usb has nothing to do with it |
| 20:19.49 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: what ADSL modem do you have? |
| 20:20.19 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: it depends on it, i know very well |
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| 20:20.35 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: globespan modem |
| 20:20.41 | blondie | MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY |
| 20:20.42 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: exact model? |
| 20:20.47 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ sure, the companies ethernet modems might do it for you, while the companies usb modems do not |
| 20:20.48 | abrotman | liable: ? |
| 20:20.56 | Kevin` | but that is their choice |
| 20:21.05 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: pikatel, have you heard it? |
| 20:21.15 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: I'm looking for a model number here |
| 20:21.19 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: nothing else is going to help me |
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| 20:21.21 | liable | abrotman: the apache module :) |
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| 20:21.33 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: these places make a ton of different devices, and they're all, well, different. |
| 20:21.35 | abrotman | liable: remove it from the modules.conf ? |
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| 20:21.57 | liable | abrotman: no, i just dpkg-recon ans added it |
| 20:22.07 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: it doesnt support linux |
| 20:22.18 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 20:22.19 | Kevin` | just say the model number! |
| 20:22.24 | Kevin` | nothing supports linux |
| 20:22.28 | Kevin` | even if it does |
| 20:22.33 | Kevin` | you should know that by now |
| 20:22.34 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: it does, actually |
| 20:23.35 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: it doesnt support linux, the manufacturer said it |
| 20:23.40 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: it's a huge pain, however |
| 20:23.46 | Kevin` | manufacturers LIE |
| 20:23.46 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: the manufacturer probably doesn't know about the driver s;) |
| 20:24.00 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/ |
| 20:24.00 | dvs | Kevin`: I take it you don't like corporations? ;-) |
| 20:24.02 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: i tried for eciadsl thing again noresult |
| 20:24.11 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: I *strongly* recommend you look in to getting one that uses ethernet instead, though |
| 20:24.18 | Kevin` | dvs well, I have plenty of experience with linux supported devices.. |
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| 20:24.31 | dvs | Kevin`: 'nuff said ;-) |
| 20:24.32 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: they're so much easier to deal with |
| 20:24.38 | august___ | what's the best way to terminate some user ssh sessions on a debian box im working on? |
| 20:24.40 | IRCMonkeyx_ | i am gonna buy tomoorow :) really |
| 20:25.04 | zinx | august___: kill the process |
| 20:25.09 | august___ | did that |
| 20:25.10 | zinx | august___: possibly kill all their processes :D |
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| 20:25.26 | august___ | it doesnt appear anymore, and im in remotely and don't want to chance killing my ssh access |
| 20:25.35 | varsendaggr | hey how do i export java_home ? |
| 20:25.36 | Kevin` | I want to get a dumber modem, myself |
| 20:25.41 | zinx | august___: you may want to put nologin in place too |
| 20:25.49 | varsendaggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.49 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: the difficulties with usb in linux, linux trys to know usb as virtual ethernet, than problems start |
| 20:25.56 | varsendaggr | why won't that work? |
| 20:26.02 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: it has to work that way |
| 20:26.04 | august___ | well im trying to do some system maint - but this user's in the way.... |
| 20:26.05 | Kevin` | right now it's using it's own ip address(s), my computer could be using that :/ |
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| 20:26.54 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: like i say, though, you'll be better off getting a DSL modem that supports ethernet |
| 20:27.07 | Kevin` | someone try to ping 70.239.120.230, could you? |
| 20:27.09 | robhu_ | Can someone please show me where to download Debian for my Pentium-D (64 bit support) ? Do I want the Debian-Amd64 port? If so (or not) can someone please point me at the appropriate url? Thankyou. |
| 20:27.25 | robhu_ | Kevin`: It pings |
| 20:27.27 | dvs | robhu_: you want the amd64 port |
| 20:27.29 | abrotman | aptitude: amd64 |
| 20:27.30 | aptitude | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 20:27.31 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: yes it pings |
| 20:27.38 | Kevin` | 2 extra ip addresses if I get a dumb modem :/ |
| 20:28.06 | robhu_ | dvs: I have tried to install it but I get 'error 16' on booting the netinst image from a CD (I've tried 2 cds now) |
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| 20:28.32 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: i have two options : first 4 port ethernet modem which has usb port too, second only 4 port ethernet without usb |
| 20:28.51 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: whichone do u suggest? |
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| 20:29.03 | Kevin` | i'd get the usb one, unless it's more expensive |
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| 20:29.49 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: approxtimately same price, even first one cheaper 3-4 dollars |
| 20:29.52 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: just make sure you're getting a *DSL modem* w/ ethernet, not just a switch or something ;) |
| 20:30.07 | Kevin` | ever seen a dsl modem with usb? |
| 20:30.09 | Kevin` | er |
| 20:30.11 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: i am getting router |
| 20:30.14 | Kevin` | ever seen a switch with usb? |
| 20:30.22 | zinx | Kevin`: i've seen routers with it. |
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| 20:30.30 | eastwood | IRCMonkeyx_, linksys wrt54gl <-- good choice |
| 20:30.35 | Kevin` | zinx client usb? |
| 20:30.38 | zinx | the wrt54gl is *NOT A DSL MODEM* |
| 20:30.44 | zinx | Kevin`: he didn't specify |
| 20:30.52 | eastwood | no its not |
| 20:30.54 | zinx | Kevin`: and I'm not going to assume that's what he meant. |
| 20:31.15 | Kevin` | some routers have host usb for printers and such |
| 20:31.27 | daniele83 | hi! how can I set the file mode mask for a user? i read that umask command works only for the current shell env, but I need a to set the default mask for every new env. |
| 20:31.30 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: http://www.geek.com.tr/en/products.geek?id=5&page=1 |
| 20:31.34 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: make sure whatever you get explicitly states that it is a DSL modem -- not just that it supports DSL |
| 20:32.01 | IRCMonkeyx_ | zinx: and the second option http://www.geek.com.tr/en/products.geek?id=2&page=1 |
| 20:32.02 | zinx | IRCMonkeyx_: yeah, that's a DSL modem :) |
| 20:32.28 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ look for some reviews |
| 20:32.47 | Kevin` | even though the reviewers usually don't test everything useful |
| 20:33.09 | Kevin` | the first one looks like it has more toys |
| 20:33.20 | Kevin` | mmm snmp goodness |
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| 20:33.40 | IRCMonkeyx_ | Kevin`: first one is so popular :) yes it is charming:) |
| 20:33.56 | Kevin` | if only it ran linux |
| 20:34.13 | IRCMonkeyx_ | both of them run |
| 20:34.41 | IRCMonkeyx_ | my question , what is the benefit of usb in first one ? |
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| 20:34.50 | Kevin` | more connections ;) |
| 20:34.58 | Kevin` | and you could use your ethernet for something else |
| 20:35.07 | IRCMonkeyx_ | it supports 253 pc |
| 20:35.14 | Kevin` | however, the first one looks to have other toys |
| 20:35.21 | IRCMonkeyx_ | so you would buy first one ? |
| 20:35.35 | Kevin` | I would look for the custom firmware first |
| 20:35.47 | zinx | most DSL modems do not have custom firmware |
| 20:35.58 | Kevin` | but not all.. |
| 20:35.59 | zinx | because the DSL hardware itself is proprietary, almost always |
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| 20:36.17 | IRCMonkeyx_ | hey playing with firmware is dangerous :) |
| 20:36.17 | zinx | (in fact, maybe always) |
| 20:36.29 | Kevin` | IRCMonkeyx_ not if you follow the directions |
| 20:36.48 | Kevin` | and you can always recover it with jtag or one of those flash toys, if it has that |
| 20:36.49 | IRCMonkeyx_ | i have a bad experience for it :))) |
| 20:37.04 | dvs | IRCMonkeyx_: I wouldn't recommend it eitehr |
| 20:37.06 | dvs | either |
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| 20:37.27 | ed_ | does anyone else have a file named : /usr/bin/[ |
| 20:37.35 | zinx | ed_: that's test |
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| 20:37.49 | IRCMonkeyx_ | funny thing is, people dont change their default modem password :))) |
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| 20:37.49 | ma3x | how do Ireally stop it from loading |
| 20:37.49 | ed_ | zinx, ahhhhhhhhh |
| 20:37.49 | ma3x | I blacklisted ipv6 in both ways (blacklist and discover.conf) and it is still loading |
| 20:37.53 | zinx | ed_: it's used like: "if [ -e /dev/null ]; then echo "yay, you have /dev/null"; fi" |
| 20:38.07 | zinx | ed_: '[' is an actual command ;) |
| 20:38.09 | IRCMonkeyx_ | i have about 2000 default modem pass |
| 20:38.12 | ed_ | zinx, that's why 'man [' goes to test, i though that was some bash evaluation |
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| 20:38.18 | dvs | zinx: o_O |
| 20:38.29 | zinx | ed_: that line's equivilant to "if test -e /dev/null; then echo "yay, you have /dev/null"; fi" |
| 20:38.39 | ed_ | how come i dont have /usr/bin/] then |
| 20:38.56 | zinx | ed_: because ] isn't a command, it's an argument to [ |
| 20:39.00 | Thunderguy | OK, when I boot the system I get a message that says: sysclock set UTC = and it's correct UTC time, but when I login and type 'date' I get a time that is 8 hours past UTC, but my /etc/timezone is set to EDT, which is 4:38 O_o |
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| 20:39.15 | drasko | hi all. I am trying to Install Windows besides my Debian, but XP boot CD hangs after message "Scaning you softwre configuration..." My linux is working OK, so I guess everithing is ok with my hardware. Any ideas? |
| 20:39.29 | ed_ | zinx, i thought bash treated [ and ] as interpretations, weird that ] is not required in the same way... |
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| 20:39.59 | abrotman | Thunderguy: hwclock |
| 20:40.00 | ed_ | zinx, its ok, it does not require any further explanation, i am accepting it for the way that it is, just because :) |
| 20:40.02 | eastwood | drasko, #windows <--- |
| 20:40.07 | zinx | ed_: :) |
| 20:40.09 | IRCMonkeyx_ | drasko: does it releated with grub ? |
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| 20:40.58 | Thunderguy | abrotman: I did use hwclock, I did hwclock and set it to use local, rebooted and the system grabbed the correct time off the hwclock, BUT the system somehow is reporting something 8 hours ahead of it |
| 20:40.58 | drasko | IRCMonkeyx_, how do you mean? I do not even enter the GRUB, I start booting from CD. Then it hangs... |
| 20:41.01 | Kevin` | zinx http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/DlinkDslG604t |
| 20:41.06 | ma3x | how do I increase the xchat taskbar chan tabs font? |
| 20:41.19 | phogg | drasko: if Windows wont install due to its own stupidity I'd say that's a reason not to bother to install it. |
| 20:41.20 | dvs | Thunderguy: dpkg-reconfigure hwclock |
| 20:41.29 | eastwood | ma3x, gtk fonts |
| 20:41.59 | Kevin` | zinx looks like the dsl driver is open source ;) |
| 20:42.02 | eastwood | i use the gtk-qt engine |
| 20:42.05 | Thunderguy | dvs: package hwclock not installed and no info is available |
| 20:42.11 | drasko | phogg, I agree... But I need some audio software tools there, I have to install it... |
| 20:42.14 | phogg | drasko: anyway, installing Windows will overwrite your master boot record and make Linux unbootable. If you wanted both you should have done windows first. |
| 20:42.48 | dvs | !find hwclock sarge |
| 20:42.57 | dvs | @find hwclock sarge |
| 20:43.12 | Thunderguy | I'm on testing |
| 20:43.16 | IRCMonkeyx_ | phogg: fdisk/mbr doent solve it? |
| 20:43.22 | azeem | %hi |
| 20:43.23 | badgers | hello, azeem |
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| 20:44.02 | phogg | IRCMonkeyx_: fdisk /mbr is what screws it up. You have to boot from a rescue disc/disk and reinstall grub, |
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| 20:45.19 | IRCMonkeyx_ | phogg: yes u r right, when i installed ubuntu, it gave grub 17 error |
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| 20:45.51 | IRCMonkeyx_ | phogg: i reinstalled it without formating |
| 20:46.01 | eamon | How do I update the package lists for apt get? I know it something like apt-cache -dpkg something but I cant remember |
| 20:46.11 | eastwood | apt-get update ? |
| 20:46.32 | IRCMonkeyx_ | anyway see you friends... |
| 20:46.36 | eamon | Whhat's apt-cache for? |
| 20:46.44 | eastwood | searching |
| 20:46.49 | dvs | eamon: searching the files that are downloaded |
| 20:46.50 | eastwood | and knowing verions |
| 20:46.52 | dvs | by apt-get |
| 20:46.59 | eamon | ahhhh... ok |
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| 20:48.02 | Deformative | Hello everyone. |
| 20:48.13 | dvs | !confuse Deformative |
| 20:48.19 | dvs | drat! |
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| 20:48.34 | freeone3000 | !confuse |
| 20:48.37 | Thunderguy | I'm confused :( |
| 20:48.43 | eastwood | !confuse |
| 20:48.47 | Deformative | Well, I have an i586 box with no internet at my other house. |
| 20:48.53 | dvs | @confuse Thunderguy |
| 20:48.54 | ravenbird | yes those is their gerbil today ? |
| 20:48.59 | Deformative | So I am thinking about putting linux on it. |
| 20:48.59 | Thunderguy | There's a script called, hwclock.sh and hwclockfirst.sh I don't know how to fix those |
| 20:49.09 | dvs | Deformative: ...and? |
| 20:49.16 | Deformative | Just for vi and gcc, would debian be a good choice? |
| 20:49.27 | eastwood | i think windows is the best os for unplugged pcs... |
| 20:49.34 | dvs | Deformative: gcc wouldn't be a good choice. That'll take too long |
| 20:49.34 | eastwood | heh |
| 20:50.03 | Deformative | I just need it to practice coding. |
| 20:50.09 | Deformative | Because my laptop is broken. |
| 20:50.40 | dvs | Deformative: if you don't compile something big, like the kernel, then you should be fine |
| 20:50.47 | dafresh | hi all, a friend have recently install a Debian Testing, and it seems that webmin is not anymore in Testing / Etch, why ? |
| 20:50.56 | dvs | @webmin |
| 20:50.58 | ravenbird | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it! |
| 20:51.13 | eastwood | dafresh, not true |
| 20:51.20 | eastwood | i'have etch and i have webmin |
| 20:51.37 | ma3x | when I do dpkg -l not all of the name is listed |
| 20:51.38 | dafresh | eastwood, maybe you have a mixed system |
| 20:51.40 | ma3x | how do I list the complete namnes? |
| 20:51.45 | dvs | eastwood: it's a factoid! It must be true! ;-) |
| 20:52.24 | eastwood | dafresh, not really |
| 20:52.36 | ma3x | how do I list the complete namnes? |
| 20:52.57 | Thunderguy | Come on, what package do I seriously reconfigure? |
| 20:53.10 | eastwood | Thunderguy, for what? |
| 20:53.10 | freeone3000 | ma3x: Er, you don't need to. Just supply those to apt-get |
| 20:53.15 | freeone3000 | ma3x: Package names are overrated... |
| 20:53.18 | Thunderguy | eastwood: Time settings |
| 20:53.21 | freeone3000 | *filenames. |
| 20:53.36 | dafresh | eastwood, si you downland by hand the .dev and dpkg -i it ... |
| 20:53.42 | ma3x | freeone3000, I can't get the complete filename!!!!! |
| 20:53.43 | Thunderguy | eastwood: No matter what I do or what I set, hwclock or date or whatever, it's always gonna change the time on next reboot |
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| 20:53.52 | eastwood | tried date? |
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| 20:53.55 | ma3x | ii nvidia-kernel- 1.0.7174-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files |
| 20:54.00 | ma3x | so what's the complete name of that |
| 20:54.03 | eastwood | dafresh, i said i didnt |
| 20:54.08 | freeone3000 | ma3x: Why would you need to? |
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| 20:54.17 | eastwood | Thunderguy, get ntp |
| 20:54.18 | Thunderguy | eastwood: What can I do with date though? I can't even get it to know what the hwclock is set to =/ |
| 20:54.19 | dafresh | eastwood, but what you said is very strange ... |
| 20:54.21 | ma3x | because there are more and I want to remove some of those!!! |
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| 20:54.26 | drasko | HI all. Does anybody know some good HD repair software? |
| 20:54.31 | Thunderguy | eastwood: I got ntp, only I'm not always going to be connected to the internet on every bootup |
| 20:54.31 | freeone3000 | ma3x: You refer to them by package name for installation and removal. |
| 20:54.37 | freeone3000 | drasko: fsck? |
| 20:54.55 | Thunderguy | eastwood: The quickfix of ntp isn't going to help me, I need a perma fix so that the system knows a time, and keeps to it |
| 20:55.00 | eastwood | then define the date by hand with date |
| 20:55.01 | drasko | freeone3000, thanks |
| 20:55.01 | skrewz | drasko: Can you do HD repairs in software now? :) |
| 20:55.05 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'hwclock' returned no results. |
| 20:55.16 | drasko | skrewz, just me, not you :) |
| 20:55.26 | skrewz | drasko: Anyway, if you have a broken HD, gddrescue might be usable. |
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| 20:55.33 | Thunderguy | eastwood: But when I set the time, my changes are lost on next reboot, and if I do hwclock --systohc the reboot can't tell if its UTC or local and everytime I change it, it changes it back |
| 20:55.38 | drasko | skrewz, tnx |
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| 20:56.25 | dvs | util-linux |
| 20:56.28 | skrewz | drasko: aptitude install gddrescue (not in stable, I believe) and man dd_rescue, or something like that. |
| 20:56.43 | Thunderguy | eastwood: I need the system init scripts that are configuring my time for me on startup and shutdown to be reconfigured, they don't know what they're doing =/ |
| 20:57.06 | dafresh | eastwood, si can you tell me how did you install webmin on your Debian / Testing ? |
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| 20:57.46 | drasko | skrewz, I need tool that can scan my whole HD, including Win XP partition for bad sectords |
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| 20:58.44 | azeem | drasko: scanning for bad sectors usually requires writing to it, thus making the partition useless, AFAIK |
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| 20:59.05 | Tomze | #badblocks -sv /dev/hda1 |
| 21:00.11 | drasko | Tomze, tnx |
| 21:00.12 | Tomze | but (g)dd of course would not write to the disk.. maybe a good idea :) |
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| 21:01.03 | dylan_ | How can I speed up the boot process of Debian? |
| 21:01.37 | dylan_ | It takes a couple minutes to boot up this box. |
| 21:01.37 | factotum | buid a custom kernel and get rid of modules you dont need to load at boot |
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| 21:01.49 | dylan_ | Oh jeez... |
| 21:01.53 | dylan_ | That's going to be hard. |
| 21:01.54 | eastwood | remove services u dont need |
| 21:02.07 | dylan_ | I dont need the MTA |
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| 21:02.15 | eastwood | apt-get remove exim4 |
| 21:02.18 | dylan_ | ok |
| 21:02.33 | tnks | Hi. I'm using initramfs-tools and getting some an annoying "runaway modprobe loop" on net-pf-1 (unix.ko). How do I get rid of this? |
| 21:02.41 | dylan_ | Are there any other packages that i can remove to speed up the boot process? |
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| 21:03.26 | jdhutchin1 | dylan_, go through your startup scripts in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d and start there |
| 21:03.34 | Tomze | dylan_: you can take a look at the package sysv-rc-conf |
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| 21:03.54 | dylan_ | jdhutchin1, thanks. |
| 21:03.59 | overflow | Hi. is it possible to install Intel Graphic card driver on sarge ? |
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| 21:04.25 | Thunderguy | This is what I get when I type Date: Sun Jul 30 09:02:46 EDT 2006 | This is what I get when I type date -u: Sun Jul 30 13:02:54 UTC 2006 | The timezone config says US/Eastern, but the time is actually around 5, how did it go Backwards instead of forwards?? |
| 21:04.43 | Tomze | dylan_: not that hard -> http://pastebin.ca/99153 |
| 21:04.47 | dylan_ | jdhutchin1, what do you recomment the average desktop or laptop user disable? |
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| 21:05.03 | tnks | sorry... I'm going to experiment with a reboot. I'll be back to see if someone has an idea about initramfs later. |
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| 21:05.58 | overflow | Hi is it possible to install Intel Graphic Card Drivers in Sarge ? |
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| 21:06.45 | theine | Hi, through which channels are large changes in unstable like the transition from KDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 announced? |
| 21:07.02 | Tomze | overflow: what driver do you use at the momment?.. but yes.. i810 i think its called... and maybe some others |
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| 21:07.36 | overflow | Tomze: yes, i810 but I mean the Intel official driver.. I need more resolution than i810 driver give me |
| 21:07.51 | jdhutchin1 | dylan_, if you don't use it, remove it |
| 21:08.07 | Tomze | overflow: cant you put in higjer resolutions in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 21:08.28 | overflow | Tomze: no, max resolution is 800x600 with i810. |
| 21:08.34 | Tomze | no |
| 21:08.42 | Tomze | i had it go waaay higher |
| 21:08.55 | overflow | Tomze: which card do you have? |
| 21:09.18 | Tomze | overflow: you just need to edit the file.. or did you try that ? |
| 21:10.04 | overflow | Tomze: of course, but Im sure that I need the official Intel driver to make it work. |
| 21:10.16 | Tomze | overflow: i got some intel.. and my friend got a brand new dell with intel graphis - both go higher than 800x600 |
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| 21:10.42 | dafresh | eastwood, webmin dont appear in the search ... |
| 21:10.44 | azeem | overflow: the Intel official driver is what is in X |
| 21:11.11 | waltz | anyone here have a Sony VAIO? |
| 21:11.14 | overflow | Tomze: http://absolutebeginner.wordpress.com/tag/tips/ <-- here are some instructions on how to install it using alien but that didn't work |
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| 21:11.20 | waltz | what kind of video card driver does it use? |
| 21:11.35 | waltz | don't tell me too Google it because I don't have IE installed on this computer |
| 21:11.36 | azeem | dafresh: webmin has been removed due to being insecure |
| 21:11.41 | overflow | waltz: an 82852/855GM |
| 21:11.53 | overflow | waltz: Intel |
| 21:11.59 | waltz | so what would be the name of it? |
| 21:12.11 | waltz | in `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
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| 21:12.15 | keram | hey |
| 21:12.28 | keram | does anyone know how to get a printer working with etch? |
| 21:12.30 | dafresh | azeem, ok thx, because somebody says me bullshit ... |
| 21:12.32 | overflow | waltz: the XFree dirver is i810 |
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| 21:12.41 | overflow | waltz: im already using it |
| 21:12.42 | waltz | perfect, thank you |
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| 21:12.45 | waltz | ;) |
| 21:12.46 | Tomze | waltz: vesa is always a good start |
| 21:12.53 | waltz | vesa didn't work so nicely |
| 21:13.07 | waltz | hence my asking |
| 21:13.32 | Tomze | keram: linuxprinting.org could help you on the right way |
| 21:13.40 | keram | okay thanks :] |
| 21:13.56 | Raito | I installed debian on my computer using an image with a new kernel (so it supported my hardware) But thing is, when I turn it on, it gets stuck at the 'Begin: Waiting for root filesystem' line |
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| 21:14.43 | Tomze | Raito: initrd.img missing for that kernel? |
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| 21:14.55 | Raito | Tomze: err how would I know? |
| 21:14.58 | Bicchi | I am using aptitude. How do i get to search only in the name of the program instead of the description. |
| 21:15.26 | Tomze | Raito: ls /boot |
| 21:15.29 | Raito | after a long time, it said /dev/hda2 doesn't exist droppng to a shell |
| 21:15.33 | Raito | but wait... |
| 21:15.43 | Raito | my stuff is sda2, not hda2 |
| 21:16.05 | omry | can anyone give me a public dns server to use temporarily? my isp dns is dead. |
| 21:17.12 | Raito | so what should I do to make it boot the root partition from an sda2? |
| 21:17.19 | mbn_18 | any one know how to enable tidy under php5 ? ( sarge, testing ) |
| 21:19.14 | waltz | the i810 driver didn't work |
| 21:19.24 | waltz | I have a PCV-RX730 by the way |
| 21:20.43 | hypersniper | !seen mentor |
| 21:20.56 | azeem | dpkg is down |
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| 21:23.05 | k-man | how can i automaticaly move emails to monthly folders? |
| 21:23.12 | k-man | ie, archive for each month? |
| 21:23.28 | azeem | there's a package doing that |
| 21:23.33 | azeem | I think |
| 21:24.01 | azeem | archivemail probably |
| 21:24.06 | k-man | really? |
| 21:24.27 | k-man | interesting |
| 21:25.08 | keram | okay i installed hpijs and cups and the hplip driver |
| 21:25.13 | keram | now how to i get my printer working? |
| 21:25.19 | keram | its a hp psc 2175 |
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| 21:26.39 | Tomze | keram: you type in "localhost:631" in a browser |
| 21:26.50 | keram | ok thanks |
| 21:27.37 | Raito | I can't seem to boot debian. It succesfully installed, but it won't boot. After waiting a long time for the root file system, it says /dev/hda2 doesn't exist. But I remember that my drive would be /dev/sda2, not hda, what should I do to boot debian? |
| 21:27.44 | possie | will etch still support true 80386 systems? |
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| 21:28.02 | ludan | hi |
| 21:28.25 | azeem | possie: sarge does not support them, and etch will probably not support them either |
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| 21:28.33 | Tomze | Raito: maybe try to edit grub... type c to enter the grub console |
| 21:28.53 | ludan | which will be the next name for testing distribution after etch will be stable? |
| 21:28.59 | Raito | Tomze: ok, I should do that before selecting debian GNU/Linux right? |
| 21:29.02 | possie | azeem, ahh okee, i thought i386 would be renamed to i486 but i guess this has not happend then |
| 21:29.24 | streuner | ludan: its not ready yet, AFAIK |
| 21:29.31 | Tomze | Raito: yes.. at the grub splash yuoo can hit c... read what it says in the bottom of the screen |
| 21:29.49 | Raito | Tomze: I got into the grub console, but I dunno how to work it. What should I do? |
| 21:30.01 | azeem | possie: i386 is meant general for ia32 |
| 21:30.14 | azeem | there's no sense in renaming the architecture at that point |
| 21:30.20 | Tomze | Raito: read... and maybe (just an idea) try to change hda into sda |
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| 21:30.49 | Raito | I thought of that idea already, but I don't know how to, >_>, a manual somewhere? |
| 21:31.02 | Thunderguy | Local time is now: Sun Jul 30 09:29:37 EDT 2006. | Universal Time is now: Sun Jul 30 13:29:37 UTC 2006. <- Are those things right, is Eastern time, BEHIND UTC? |
| 21:31.15 | possie | azeem, i can remember reading some where on the debian mailing list, to rename i386 to i486 just to indicate that sarge/etch would not support true 80386 systems |
| 21:31.43 | azeem | possie: I never heard about that being really considered |
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| 21:32.06 | Tomze | well possie.. i see only 486 kernels in etch.. i run it on a pentium I so... |
| 21:32.08 | nosonic | hi |
| 21:32.26 | nosonic | do I have to mount the CD with a file in order to watch with mplayer? |
| 21:32.49 | nosonic | in puppy it recognized it outta the box I mounted it then it worked... |
| 21:32.51 | azeem | nosonic: probably |
| 21:32.56 | nosonic | how can I do this in Debian? |
| 21:33.04 | azeem | what do you mean "with a file"? |
| 21:33.19 | nosonic | .avi |
| 21:33.33 | azeem | the .avi file is on the cd? |
| 21:33.58 | nosonic | yaeh |
| 21:34.01 | beardy | nosonic: Yes. |
| 21:34.29 | nosonic | I can play it on m$$$$$$$$$$$ by dropping it on mplayer and with linux puppy by mounting the cd |
| 21:34.30 | azeem | nosonic: so mount the cd and pass mplayer the .avi file as argument |
| 21:34.38 | beardy | nosonic: VCD can be played directly, and dvd. BUt you could just try? |
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| 21:35.21 | nosonic | sorry for this question mount /dev/hdc to where? |
| 21:35.31 | nosonic | to /dev/cdrom? |
| 21:35.37 | kingsley | What's the best dhcp server? |
| 21:35.38 | beardy | nosonic: /cdrom, if you have it, or /media/cdrom or simillar |
| 21:35.53 | nosonic | beardy: thanks |
| 21:36.19 | beardy | nosonic: No, /dev/cdrom is a symbolic link to your drive, probably a symlink to your /dev/hdc, 'ls -la /dev/cdrom' will tell you |
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| 21:38.01 | nosonic | awsome thanks |
| 21:38.08 | nosonic | this is beautiful |
| 21:38.24 | nosonic | later on will be a way to automatizise all this? |
| 21:38.38 | nosonic | with rox or something? |
| 21:38.38 | beardy | nosonic: Automounting is possible yes. |
| 21:38.55 | azeem | nosonic: use a desktop environment like KDE or GNOME which mount CDs automatically |
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| 21:39.24 | beardy | That's notreally needed is it? |
| 21:39.29 | Shadowcat | azeem: that assumes you have your /etc/fstab setup correctly |
| 21:39.36 | Shadowcat | oh and autofs as well |
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| 21:40.12 | nosonic | azeem: I can't afford that in my wildest dreams as I have a 233MHz... if KDE and Gnome fare slow on an 1133MHz on a 233MHz is outta the question |
| 21:40.41 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 21:40.42 | azeem | Shadowcat: you definetely don't need autofs |
| 21:40.47 | Shadowcat | I've run kde on that |
| 21:40.47 | azeem | not sure about fstab |
| 21:41.45 | beardy | nosonic: Use a oneliner or a script to mount a disc in the drive, and start playing whatever is on it, like 'mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom(or skip this arguemtn if you have it setup in /etc/fstab) ; mplayer /media/cdrom/*.avi(or whatever files) ; umount /media/cdrom' |
| 21:44.22 | beardy | aptitude: alias |
| 21:44.22 | aptitude | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
| 21:44.29 | beardy | nosonic: ^^^ |
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| 21:47.36 | beardy | dpkg: wake up |
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| 21:50.05 | beardy | dondelelcaro: dpkg is taking a nap, just to let you know |
| 21:51.28 | Maulkin | Could be another power cut |
| 21:53.13 | Shadowcat | Maulkin stop using up all the power |
| 21:53.20 | Shadowcat | turn off one of your 10 acs |
| 21:53.21 | Maulkin | :) |
| 21:53.34 | Maulkin | I wish I had Ac here... |
| 21:54.01 | nosonic | beardy: where can I find guides in order to automatize ROX, mounting, thumnails, video thumbnails, etc? |
| 21:54.19 | nosonic | I have a sligtly old system and need to make some sort of optimizations |
| 21:54.21 | Shadowcat | nosonic: google |
| 21:54.32 | beardy | nosonic: I'm not familliar with ROX. |
| 21:54.33 | nosonic | Shadowcat: it does't work like that |
| 21:54.58 | nosonic | I think ROX is the file manager par exelence for slow systems |
| 21:55.27 | Shadowcat | you can certainly automate mounting by reading google guides |
| 21:55.30 | Shadowcat | !info rox |
| 21:55.34 | DerJamster | Eh, I'd prefer xfe for those. |
| 21:55.36 | beardy | Ok, you don't need one, is my answer on that I guess. |
| 21:55.40 | Maulkin | ~info rox |
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| 21:55.54 | Shadowcat | Maulkin fix the bot! |
| 21:56.04 | beardy | May not be in Debian. |
| 21:56.06 | Shadowcat | @info rox |
| 21:56.11 | beardy | badgers: rox |
| 21:56.13 | badgers | If you look for a intuitive graphical filemanager that doesnt eat all your resources, try rox! rox can be found on http://rox.sourceforge.net or woody debs at http://www.janw.easynet.be/rox/ |
| 21:56.32 | Maulkin | Shadowcat: not my bot :) |
| 21:57.02 | beardy | nosonic: Use a shell. |
| 21:57.03 | nosonic | for me I stay with cli, but it's for someone else |
| 21:57.04 | DerJamster | there's the rox-filer package..that it? |
| 21:57.32 | DerJamster | yes, it is. |
| 21:57.37 | nosonic | well there a whole way of making rox play nice with stuff |
| 21:57.41 | CAiRO | what can i do to get rid of those "kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/mplayer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype" when stating kde apps? |
| 21:57.44 | beardy | nosonic: Learn them. (also read rox's documentation, perhaps you can script it or make macros? ) |
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| 21:57.58 | Raito | I installed debian successfully, however I cannot boot. I noticed that it tried to boot from /dev/hda2, but I know my drive is uses /dev/sda, not hda. What should I do to boot it? |
| 21:58.02 | beardy | DerJamster: Yes, that one looks familliar, the name I mean. |
| 21:58.16 | samhob | hi all .. i would like to rescue my pc i got a floppy rescue ( got no cd reader on it) but when i load it get kernel too old |
| 21:58.30 | samhob | i got the floppy from woody , i cant find any newer one |
| 21:58.33 | DerJamster | mh..I think I prefer Xfe out-of-the-box :> |
| 21:58.46 | beardy | samhob: Use tomsrtbt? |
| 21:58.56 | beardy | badgers: tomsrtbt |
| 21:58.56 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, tomsrtbt is a single floppy linux distribution made to fulfill a last-hope need or at http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 21:59.02 | samhob | will try |
| 21:59.16 | Maulkin | apt: start a window manager war |
| 21:59.17 | apt | twm bites! |
| 21:59.21 | beardy | samhob: Then mount and chroot and do what is needed. |
| 21:59.28 | samhob | ok thx ;) |
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| 22:01.51 | dhuv | hello all |
| 22:05.05 | mrcoyote | yep |
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| 22:19.04 | Cybo-Mobile | howdy, is kde in flux in sid right now? kde core is not to be installed due to unresolved deps. I don't know if it is becuse my sources are jacked up or not. |
| 22:19.46 | azeem | Cybo-Mobile: I think others have mentioned this as well |
| 22:20.15 | Cybo-Mobile | I see, been in the hospital, out of the loop. Only had a half configed laptop before I went. |
| 22:20.43 | Cybo-Mobile | what are we updating in kde? New libc? |
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| 22:21.36 | Cybo-Mobile | one of the 1400 debian user lists posts in my email might tell me, but hey, there is only so much time :) |
| 22:22.05 | beardy | Cybo-Mobile: Google the archive? |
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| 22:23.14 | mae | is there a way I can debianafy the latest apache 2.2 ? |
| 22:23.36 | Cybo-Mobile | mae, yes, you can compile it yourself and make a .deb out of it. |
| 22:23.44 | dad | where can i find curent sources.list listings? |
| 22:23.58 | Cybo-Mobile | dad what do you mean? |
| 22:24.10 | Cybo-Mobile | dad what do you want to list? |
| 22:24.27 | mae | Cybo-Mobile: yes thats what i mean - is there a tool that automatically chooses the "debian" options etc.. |
| 22:24.28 | dad | debian testing packages |
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| 22:24.38 | mae | Cybo-Mobile: or do you mean using fakeroot etc |
| 22:24.46 | dad | suitable for /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:25.35 | Cybo-Mobile | mae, Idont know how to compile a .deb, never did it except for a new kernel using kernel-packages. But as far as I know, if you compile your self, you have to specify all the compile options. |
| 22:25.41 | dad | somehow i have sources that are not working (couldn't stat .....) |
| 22:26.08 | Cybo-Mobile | dad if they worked, you could get ap-get install apt-spy |
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| 22:26.30 | dad | hmmmm |
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| 22:27.01 | Cybo-Mobile | dad that program will then search out your sources.list for you, then right the fastest ones in your listing. back up your current one before running. |
| 22:27.12 | Cybo-Mobile | dad it takes up to 20 min to run. |
| 22:27.22 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 22:27.26 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:27.28 | dad | on dialup??? |
| 22:27.28 | abrotman | aptitude: mirrors |
| 22:27.37 | abrotman | did we kill all of them? |
| 22:27.38 | abrotman | aptitude: mirror |
| 22:27.50 | abrotman | aptitude: hi |
| 22:27.51 | aptitude | what's up, abrotman |
| 22:27.53 | abrotman | he's a bot |
| 22:27.58 | abrotman | aptitude: mirrors |
| 22:28.01 | sussudio | %do aptitude |
| 22:28.01 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:28.03 | valdyn | mae: you dont need a special tool to pick debian options |
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| 22:28.25 | Cybo-Mobile | valdyn, do go on, I am all about learning |
| 22:28.30 | sussudio | %mirrors |
| 22:28.32 | sussudio | ? |
| 22:28.38 | sussudio | %listkeys mirror |
| 22:28.39 | badgers | Factoid search of 'mirror' by key (15 of 47): _default mirror split ;; apt-spy finds the mirror that ;; au debian mirror ;; badmirror ;; cdimage mirror ;; debian mirror ;; google mirror ;; kde mirror ;; mirror split ;; mozilla mirror ;; mozilla mirrors ;; planetmirror ;; security mirror ;; some of the mirrors ;; xfree4.0 mirrors. |
| 22:28.39 | mae | valdyn: well from peeking at the apache2 instructions it seems like the default apache thing is very monolithic config/binaries everything installed in one prefix |
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| 22:29.26 | mae | valdyn: how can i get a hold of the debian configuration for the last 2.x release? -- so i can just slightly modify it |
| 22:29.42 | valdyn | mae: apt-get source <packagename> |
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| 22:30.13 | Cybo-Mobile | valdyn, then it would be in the make file? |
| 22:30.42 | valdyn | Cybo-Mobile: in the debian/rules file in each source package |
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| 22:31.34 | Cybo-Mobile | valdyn, thanks, I never made a .deb |
| 22:32.34 | zinx | !find libmpg123.so unstable |
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| 22:32.57 | zinx | blargh |
| 22:33.03 | sussudio | %do zinx |
| 22:33.53 | bucky | zinx: xmms |
| 22:34.02 | zinx | #380318 |
| 22:34.02 | zinx | :( |
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| 22:35.17 | zinx | cute, it's not fixed in the version the maintainer thinks it's fixed in.. at least not on amd64 :/ |
| 22:36.42 | bucky | zinx: have you asked in #debian-amd64 ? |
| 22:37.00 | zinx | bucky: why would i? :/ |
| 22:37.13 | bucky | zinx: they might know more about it than we do |
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| 22:40.13 | zinx | bucky: i'm not asking #debian anything about it :/ |
| 22:40.30 | zinx | bucky: i'm just mindlessly complaining that i can't play my tunes :D |
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| 22:42.22 | abrotman | so fix it |
| 22:43.27 | blondie | yay I replaced my ipcop router with a debian one |
| 22:43.39 | zinx | abrotman: i already do enough in providing the upstream, thank you very much. |
| 22:43.46 | zinx | abrotman: it's the debian maintainer that breaks shit, we do our job :D |
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| 22:44.17 | abrotman | zinx: you could help him fix the packages |
| 22:44.25 | abrotman | sng: i'm unfixable |
| 22:45.02 | zinx | abrotman: Yeah, and I could save a kid in some third world country for just 50 cents a day, and I could save a billion of them for 50*1 billion cents a day |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | i think it's 12 cents a day :) |
| 22:45.25 | zinx | whatever |
| 22:45.27 | zinx | you get the idea. |
| 22:45.44 | sng | abrotman: Yeah, but I lub you anyway. |
| 22:45.54 | abrotman | i'm not even worth 12 cents :( |
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| 22:46.17 | abrotman | sng: but at least i'll get to have shrimp scampi for dinner :) |
| 22:46.25 | sng | Yay! |
| 22:47.13 | abrotman | but i won't be cracking a bottle of wine to do it .. oh well |
| 22:47.54 | beardy | is scampi the whole shrimp or just the ass? |
| 22:48.09 | Guerin | scampi is the name of the critter |
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| 22:48.15 | Guerin | it's not strictly a shrimp |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 22:48.40 | Guerin | well |
| 22:48.47 | Guerin | that's how we call 'em here |
| 22:49.01 | abrotman | it is .. but that's not what it means in this context :) |
| 22:49.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:49.22 | zinx | i thought it was a particular style of preparing it :/ |
| 22:49.45 | Guerin | there are too many kinds of crustacean |
| 22:49.50 | zinx | i don't get to eat them fancy foods much though |
| 22:49.53 | abrotman | in .us it also means something basically prepared in garlic&butter |
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| 22:50.01 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:50.06 | Guerin | so you could have crab scampi? |
| 22:50.12 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 22:50.16 | beardy | I thought "scampi fritti" meant fried (as in boiled in oil) shrimpbackhalves. (in search of a better word) |
| 22:50.19 | Guerin | bah, that's stupid |
| 22:50.22 | abrotman | i've seen chicken scampi |
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| 22:50.33 | Guerin | that's as stupid as chicken-fried steak |
| 22:50.52 | khaije1 | oh come on Guerin, chicken fried steak is good |
| 22:50.57 | keram | hey |
| 22:51.04 | Guerin | i'm not talking about whether it's good or not |
| 22:51.08 | keram | i'm in the cups printer setup at localhost:631 |
| 22:51.08 | khaije1 | it doesn't have to appease your logic to be delicious |
| 22:51.14 | keram | its asking me for a cups user/pass |
| 22:51.17 | keram | what should i put in? |
| 22:51.30 | beardy | keram: Your CUPS user and password. |
| 22:51.34 | Guerin | khaije1: of course |
| 22:51.50 | Guerin | keram: or root |
| 22:51.59 | abrotman | Guerin: chicken fried steak makes sense |
| 22:52.00 | beardy | keram: cupspasswd, IIRC |
| 22:52.19 | Guerin | abrotman: only if you consider chicken-fried to be a specific thing |
| 22:52.27 | beardy | abrotman: No, how is it possible to fry something with a chicken? |
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| 22:52.48 | Guerin | beardy: it means 'crumbed with herbs and spices like fried chicken' |
| 22:52.56 | keram | okay i got it |
| 22:52.57 | keram | thanks :] |
| 22:52.59 | keram | root worked |
| 22:53.00 | abrotman | http://southernfood.about.com/od/recipes_southern/a/chickfrysteak.htm |
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| 22:53.23 | keram | linuxprinting.org rox |
| 22:53.30 | beardy | Guerin: right |
| 22:53.31 | rhys | so does anyone have a working XF86config for a PARISC box? |
| 22:53.31 | keram | thats one of the best sites ever |
| 22:53.49 | Guerin | keram: the information there is really reliable,m eh |
| 22:53.57 | keram | yep |
| 22:54.06 | beardy | keram: It serves it's purpose I suppose.. |
| 22:54.20 | keram | now how do i find out about setting up my printer so that it can print from other places on my network? |
| 22:54.30 | keram | like my windows laptop, or my other linux computer |
| 22:54.46 | Guerin | keram: make cups listen on your computer's external ip |
| 22:54.59 | keram | like the ip given by my router? |
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| 22:55.01 | Guerin | there's an internet printing protocol howto on tldp |
| 22:55.15 | Guerin | keram: whatever ip it has, yeah. |
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| 22:55.19 | beardy | and tldp is |
| 22:55.21 | beardy | badgers: tldp |
| 22:55.22 | badgers | hmm... tldp is The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
| 22:55.26 | Guerin | you'll have to punch holes in your firewall if you have one |
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| 22:55.37 | keram | wait hold on |
| 22:55.49 | keram | i only want computers on my LAN to print from it |
| 22:55.54 | Guerin | ok |
| 22:56.22 | Guerin | so make it listen on the COMPUTER's external ip, not the LAN's external ip |
| 22:56.28 | keram | okay |
| 22:56.30 | keram | how do i do that? |
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| 22:56.41 | Guerin | ie: a 10.0.0.x or 192.168.0.x or something |
| 22:56.53 | Guerin | read the ipp howto |
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| 22:57.15 | keram | where do i find the ipp howto? |
| 22:57.20 | Guerin | !tldp |
| 22:57.25 | Guerin | meh |
| 22:57.27 | Guerin | see above |
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| 22:57.59 | keram | umm |
| 22:58.02 | keram | tldp.org? |
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| 22:58.44 | miffle | I've got this in dmesg: cs: warning no high memory space available cs: warning unable to map card memory ... Probably explains why I've got no wifi :( any one got an idea |
| 22:59.15 | Guerin | crikey |
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| 23:02.40 | xinming | how to see which version of gcc compiled the glibc please? |
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| 23:05.45 | abrotman | /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 23:06.09 | abrotman | xinming: run it like a command |
| 23:07.35 | keram | umm |
| 23:07.42 | keram | in localhost:631 i edited the server configuration file |
| 23:08.04 | keram | and where it said listen on localhost:631 i changed it to listen to myhostname.local:631 |
| 23:08.21 | keram | and when i try to access myhostname.local:631 it says 403 Forbidden |
| 23:08.40 | Guerin | keram: read the howto |
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| 23:09.02 | keram | is there a way to edit the config file and change it back to the way it was? |
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| 23:09.25 | Guerin | of course, just change things back |
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| 23:09.31 | keram | how? |
| 23:09.50 | Guerin | if you don't know what you did, you probably should in future comment the default line and write your modification in |
| 23:10.04 | Eulex | keram, look around in /etc/cups |
| 23:10.09 | Eulex | Guerin, <keram> in localhost:631 i edited the server configuration file |
| 23:10.16 | Eulex | so, he edited the file from the web interface |
| 23:10.21 | Guerin | oh christ |
| 23:10.28 | keram | :/ |
| 23:10.49 | keram | there is nothing in /etc/cups :/ |
| 23:10.52 | Guerin | keram: never edit things like that through a web interface. Always understand exactly what you're editing. Sorry, I missed that bit. |
| 23:11.01 | Guerin | keram: /etc/cup<tab> |
| 23:11.57 | keram | the only file/folder in /etc is cups |
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| 23:12.38 | keram | du -sh /etc/cups/ |
| 23:12.38 | keram | 4.0K /etc/cups/ |
| 23:14.36 | Guerin | sorry, hang on: |
| 23:14.46 | Guerin | there's nothing in /etc/ other than /etc/cups? |
| 23:15.09 | keram | no there is other stuff |
| 23:15.13 | Guerin | ok |
| 23:15.26 | Guerin | is there an /etc/cupsys? or an /etc/lpr*? |
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| 23:16.10 | keram | no |
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| 23:16.55 | Mookie | Hrmph. What recommendations would anyone have for NTFS disk imaging? Tried g4u and partimage, but they were a bit complex on the command line and not fully NTFS capable (respectively). Any others? |
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| 23:17.27 | Guerin | Mookie: by 'disk imaging', do you mean 'back up a filesystem image for later restoration? |
| 23:17.30 | Guerin | ' |
| 23:17.50 | Mookie | Guerin: Yes. :) |
| 23:18.01 | Guerin | dd + tar + optional gzip |
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| 23:18.09 | Guerin | takes a long time |
| 23:18.18 | keram | locate cupsys and locate lpr give me some things |
| 23:18.26 | Guerin | sng: that'll be $0.01 per page hit |
| 23:18.28 | Mookie | Guerin: Ahhh.. yes. Probably a good idea to defrag before doing that too. |
| 23:18.34 | sng | Guerin: :) |
| 23:18.38 | Guerin | sng: i'll collect my 25 cents from you sometime next year |
| 23:18.59 | sng | Guerin: Fair enough. How about I advance you 50 and we call it good? |
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| 23:19.14 | Kevin` | cat is faster then dd |
| 23:19.19 | Guerin | sng: sounds fair. I'll have my lawyers draw up a 100-page contract. |
| 23:19.20 | Kevin` | or use dd with a larger block size |
| 23:19.28 | sng | Guerin: Yay! |
| 23:19.31 | Guerin | yeah, dd is generally more malleable, though. |
| 23:19.54 | grendal_prime | im really having a hard time with this scssi controller...can somone make heads or tails out of this.. |
| 23:20.07 | xinming | abrotman: thanks... :-) |
| 23:20.16 | Guerin | it's hard to make heads or tails out of a piece of computer hardware |
| 23:20.27 | Guerin | they work well as frisbees, though |
| 23:20.38 | sng | Bah. Not using a big enough hammer if that's the case. |
| 23:20.38 | grendal_prime | DAC960#0: Unable to Enable Memory Mailbox Interface for Controller at PCI Bus 2 Device 4 Function 1 I/O Address N/A PCI Address 0xFC800000 |
| 23:20.46 | keram | any idea on how to fix my cups web interface? |
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| 23:21.12 | grendal_prime | im wondering if the os is looking for this piece of hardware on some other....hardware address? |
| 23:21.15 | Guerin | keram: in the absence of a file to edit, you'll just have to re-do what you did ... if you can. |
| 23:21.30 | Guerin | was it throwing 403 when you tried to re-edit? |
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| 23:21.50 | keram | it was throwing 403 when i tried to go to 192.168.2.119:631 |
| 23:22.02 | Guerin | go to localhost:631 |
| 23:22.13 | GottferDamnt | somebody uses Mondo/Mindi to backup? |
| 23:22.17 | keram | oh crap |
| 23:22.22 | Guerin | GottferDamnt: i'm sure somebody does |
| 23:22.22 | keram | i'm such an idiot |
| 23:22.25 | keram | i did this once before |
| 23:22.43 | keram | the terminal window i was looking for conf files to edit in was actually not of this computer |
| 23:22.47 | keram | i had ssh'd into my other box.. |
| 23:22.48 | GottferDamnt | do you guerin? |
| 23:22.48 | Guerin | haha |
| 23:22.53 | Guerin | GottferDamnt: no. |
| 23:22.53 | keram | this happened yesterday!!! |
| 23:23.35 | GottferDamnt | i need some help... can't archive my datas |
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| 23:24.02 | keram | http://rafb.net/paste/results/5973xG98.html |
| 23:24.05 | keram | there: |
| 23:24.12 | keram | or there is the output of /etc/cups |
| 23:24.18 | Guerin | GottferDamnt: ask the makers of the software, if your info isn't in the manpage or online doc |
| 23:24.35 | Guerin | keram: just go looking through the files |
| 23:24.49 | keram | yeah i found it |
| 23:24.59 | keram | the file i edited was /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 23:25.03 | keram | i can change it back |
| 23:25.08 | keram | how do i restart cups once i've edited it? |
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| 23:25.49 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.25 | keram | umm |
| 23:26.32 | keram | /etc/init.d/cupsys restart? |
| 23:26.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:26.38 | Guerin | yeah |
| 23:26.43 | keram | :] |
| 23:26.44 | Guerin | sorry, i'm stupid today |
| 23:26.45 | keram | thanks |
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| 23:27.48 | rhys | How do i change my driver for X? |
| 23:27.52 | kingsley | What's the best dhcp server?kingsley |
| 23:28.14 | rhys | other than editing the x86conf file, i need a list of them |
| 23:28.14 | phogg | rhys: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:28.24 | phogg | well then... |
| 23:28.39 | rhys | phogg, that i can do. actually all i need is a list of drivers |
| 23:28.40 | rhys | is CRX a driver? |
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| 23:29.14 | phogg | rhys: I think it is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:29.14 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 23:29.43 | jsi | Hi, can anyone tell me or point me to some resource to aid in setting up courier-filter-perl? |
| 23:30.18 | Nazcafan | has everyone got to make the 5.1 work with its ~/.asoundrc ? I keep having a 4.0/4.1 output with my cmipci chipset |
| 23:30.25 | Nazcafan | s/everyone/anyone |
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| 23:31.25 | ossso | hi |
| 23:31.29 | MustangMatt | Hello |
| 23:31.31 | ossso | anybody around? |
| 23:31.45 | MustangMatt | Everyone is around somewhere. |
| 23:32.49 | phogg | ossso: no |
| 23:34.02 | ossso | what's a good firewall? |
| 23:34.08 | Eulex | iptables |
| 23:34.12 | ossso | so far this is my hardest part |
| 23:34.17 | ossso | so how do I isntall that? |
| 23:34.23 | jsi | apt-get install iptables |
| 23:34.30 | Eulex | you probably have it if you have linux |
| 23:34.39 | jsi | And make sure your kernel has support (default Debian kernels do) |
| 23:34.59 | ossso | therefore I do not need to install anything? |
| 23:35.11 | cafuego_ | no, you just need to know the iptables syntax. |
| 23:35.16 | Eulex | well, you need the iptables package of you want to be able to control it :) |
| 23:35.29 | cafuego_ | /usr/share/doc/iptables/html contains the entire HOWTO. |
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| 23:35.40 | planetsim | does anyone know of any guides for setting up software raid 0 for netinst? i can only find raid 1 and thats for post-install. |
| 23:35.41 | cafuego_ | There are front-ends, but I've never sued them. |
| 23:35.57 | cafuego_ | planetsim: raid0 bad, that's probably why. |
| 23:36.04 | jsi | cafuego_: Yeah, kind of hard to get money from open source projects. |
| 23:36.24 | ossso | Eulex: what's the package of iptables? |
| 23:36.25 | cafuego_ | jsi: Indeed, damn communists ;-) |
| 23:36.35 | cafuego_ | ossso: iptables is already installed. |
| 23:36.40 | jsi | ossso: iptables |
| 23:36.48 | planetsim | cafuego: why is it bad? |
| 23:36.51 | cafuego_ | ossso: The command is `/sbin/iptables'. |
| 23:36.59 | ossso | I am confused &-( |
| 23:36.59 | Eulex | !test |
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| 23:37.06 | cafuego_ | planetsim: If one disk dies, so does your data. |
| 23:37.21 | Eulex | hmm, dpkg works on oftc, but not here... ? |
| 23:37.29 | jsi | planetsim: And your MTBF is smaller than for either disk. |
| 23:37.39 | ossso | iptables v1.3.3: no command specified |
| 23:37.49 | planetsim | i realise the risks |
| 23:37.51 | jsi | planetsim: But if you diligently maintain backups and don't mind downtime ... ;-) |
| 23:38.12 | cafuego_ | disks are cheap; go lvm on raid1 :-) |
| 23:38.28 | cafuego_ | ossso: There you go. |
| 23:38.31 | ossso | I do have /sbin/iptables but gives me that ^^^ error |
| 23:38.35 | cafuego_ | ossso: 'iptables -L' will list rules. |
| 23:39.00 | jsi | ossso: Now you just need to configure it. |
| 23:39.14 | ossso | cafuego_: I've seen it now, where do I go from here? |
| 23:39.27 | cafuego_ | ossso: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html |
| 23:39.34 | cafuego_ | ossso: ... and start reading :-) |
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| 23:40.05 | ossso | cafuego_: thanks |
| 23:40.25 | tuxedup | what is the name of the package that will allow me to access svn repositories? |
| 23:40.29 | phogg | ossso: if you ever hear of any other "firewalls" for Linux you are really hearing of front-ends to write iptables rules. |
| 23:40.50 | CHodapp | What other Linux firewalls exist? |
| 23:40.58 | name | hm |
| 23:41.25 | ossso | phogg: thanks |
| 23:41.25 | name | is nIntvar |
| 23:41.30 | name | right after the |
| 23:41.44 | name | notation |
| 23:41.46 | ossso | uh... Linux 2.4 NAT HOWTO... ain't somewhat outdatet? |
| 23:41.54 | ossso | *outdated |
| 23:41.59 | nullman | i'm looking for a small installation to put into a 1.5GB partition to be used as an emergency boot for admining or install a new OS on the main partition; should i just install debian will minimal packages or is there an image i can use that already exists? |
| 23:42.00 | cafuego_ | ossso: No, it works identical in 2.6 |
| 23:42.19 | cafuego_ | nullman: WHy not just use a livecd? |
| 23:42.35 | nullman | oh, and the computers i'm using don't have CD or floppy, that's why i want the partition |
| 23:42.37 | cafuego_ | CHodapp: ipchains (in 2.2 kernels) |
| 23:42.45 | cafuego_ | nullman: ah :-) |
| 23:42.47 | grendal_prime | stupid raid controller |
| 23:42.54 | ossso | I see, basically linux firewall is about setting up a NAT thing |
| 23:42.55 | grendal_prime | hardware raid is a pain in the ass |
| 23:43.03 | cafuego_ | ossso: No, not at all. |
| 23:43.11 | grendal_prime | i wonder if there is anyway to just...software raid this thing, |
| 23:43.23 | grendal_prime | disable the bios...and go from there |
| 23:43.26 | nullman | cafuego_: i could just take a live CD and copy it to the partition i suppose |
| 23:43.31 | Eulex | nullman, just install debian, configure it as you like, then copy the resulting partition image. |
| 23:43.50 | cafuego_ | nullman: use loadlin and an ISO, sure... |
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| 23:44.02 | nullman | Eulex: yeah, that was the route i was going to take; sounds good; thx |
| 23:44.08 | wakejagr | CHodapp: google for iptables scripts - there are setups that handle the complex bits |
| 23:44.18 | cafuego_ | nullman: That's not be highly fast though (but faster then running off an actal cd!) |
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| 23:47.03 | ossso | I've heard that Debian irc is about to change to another server, what's the name of that server? |
| 23:47.17 | Guerin | !topicbadger ossso |
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| 23:47.27 | nevyn | oftc |
| 23:47.29 | Guerin | meh |
| 23:47.36 | Guerin | read the freakin' topic |
| 23:47.43 | waiting | is yahoo serach still "powering" OSDN? |
| 23:47.59 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:48.07 | Guerin | the oftc message got removed from the topic |
| 23:48.11 | Guerin | dear me. |
| 23:48.50 | grendal_prime | ok i got a question ...this is a kernel patch of some sort..i think... |
| 23:49.04 | grendal_prime | http://www.cs.usm.maine.edu/class/cos450/linux-2.6.8.1/drivers/block/DAC960.c |
| 23:49.15 | grendal_prime | can someone look at that and tell me how i would apply that to this kernel? |
| 23:49.20 | ldreamdeb | what's a good picture viewer for an old system? |
| 23:49.32 | ldreamdeb | something plain |
| 23:49.37 | Guerin | ldreamdeb: feh |
| 23:49.50 | Guerin | ldreamdeb: or gqview or xv |
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| 23:50.25 | Guerin | grendal_prime: if you need to ask, you don't need that patch |
| 23:51.08 | grendal_prime | thats what i was thinking... |
| 23:51.20 | grendal_prime | this damn adapter is driveing me crazy though |
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| 23:51.50 | ldreamdeb | gqview is nice! |
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| 23:52.03 | sadneophye | I just installed an sarge rc2... are there any specific packages I need to play mp3s? |
| 23:52.23 | newbcoder | modprobe cmpci; used to work for me; I upgraded to kernel 2.6.16 from testing; now this no longer works for me; what is wrgon? how do I get my soudn back? (this module doesn't even exist on 2.6.16!) |
| 23:52.58 | sadneophye | !mp3 |
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| 23:53.19 | newbcoder | how do I rebuild kernels in debian? |
| 23:53.24 | newbcoder | what is the debian way to rebuild a kernel? |
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| 23:53.39 | kingsley | Why would "ifconfig eth1 down ; ifconfig -a" report that eth1 still exists? |
| 23:53.51 | MustangMatt | Anyone know of a channel that could guide me through some amavis issues? |
| 23:53.53 | petemc | kingsley: man ifconfig |
| 23:54.27 | waiting | oh, they are called OSTG now |
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| 23:55.20 | bjon | Hi, does anybody here know how to deal with apt-get if it |
| 23:55.23 | bjon | behaves weird |
| 23:55.27 | waiting | yes |
| 23:55.38 | bjon | apt-get wants to remove the running kernel image |
| 23:55.46 | waiting | bjon: it wil have its reasons |
| 23:55.48 | bjon | I jus tried to update alsaplayer |
| 23:56.07 | Guerin | badgers: kp |
| 23:56.07 | bjon | so know I stopped the operation |
| 23:56.08 | badgers | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 23:56.14 | Guerin | badgers: kp mantra |
| 23:56.14 | badgers | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 23:56.18 | kingsley | petemc: My mistake. I should have asked why "ifconfig eth1 down ; ifconfig -a" would report that eth1 is still "UP". |
| 23:56.19 | Guerin | wow, he does know |
| 23:56.36 | bjon | sure I can install a new kernel |
| 23:56.42 | newbcoder | how do I make this querty "what package contains the file cmpci.ko" ? |
| 23:56.57 | beardy | badgers: tell newbcoder about search |
| 23:57.07 | bjon | I have a lot of pending operation since I stopped apt-get to do it;s thing |
| 23:57.17 | bjon | can I just tell it to forget about it? |
| 23:57.20 | newbcoder | apt-cache search <-- searches for descritipns not file lists |
| 23:57.21 | Eulex | newbcoder, apt-file search cmpci.ko |
| 23:57.32 | Eulex | badgers, tell newbcoder about apt-file |
| 23:57.50 | waiting | hrm |
| 23:57.59 | beardy | newbcoder: Read, do you do it? |
| 23:58.01 | petemc | kingsley: is it still listed in the output of "ifconfig" ? |
| 23:58.09 | newbcoder | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y |
| 23:58.09 | newbcoder | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 23:58.10 | newbcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.10 | newbcoder | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? n |
| 23:58.10 | newbcoder | E: Some packages could not be authenticated |
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| 23:58.23 | newbcoder | WTF; why are the packages authenticated |
| 23:58.34 | waiting | mhh |
| 23:58.36 | abrotman | !apt-key |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | god damn bots |
| 23:58.40 | Coweater | so you know they're authentic |
| 23:58.42 | newbcoder | beardy, you idiot; the one you gave me said "apt-search; not apt-file"; I would like to suggest you start reading what you tell other people to read |
| 23:58.42 | abrotman | aptitude: hi |
| 23:58.43 | aptitude | privet, abrotman |
| 23:58.48 | abrotman | newbcoder: get the key |
| 23:59.05 | abrotman | newbcoder: try not to be rude |
| 23:59.05 | newbcoder | how do I get the key? |
| 23:59.07 | abrotman | he's offering help to you |
| 23:59.15 | bjon | waiting: I mean how do I modify the list of operations that apt-get wants to do? |
| 23:59.15 | waiting | uhm |
| 23:59.22 | abrotman | well .. seeing as how you just insulted beardy .. not sure i'm inclined to help |
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| 23:59.42 | sadneophye | I just installed an sarge rc2... are there any specific packages I need to play mp3s? I did a minimal installation and have xwindows install and xmms, with the mad plugin. /dev/dsp is lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-07-30 23:21 dsp -> /dev/dsp0, is this right? |
| 23:59.46 | ldreamdeb | mmm.. java blackdown isn't available for Debian? |
| 23:59.48 | ldreamdeb | odd |
| 23:59.54 | ldreamdeb | ? java |
