| 00:00.03 | abrotman | Cooner750: aren't you using unstable? |
| 00:00.03 | jelly | oops, wrong channel |
| 00:00.26 | abrotman | SLAYer? |
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| 00:00.54 | stew | neeto: m-a a-i installed a .deb for you "dpkg -l | grep madwifi" would find it, "dpkg -L packagename | grep ko$" would list the actual kernel drivers it installed |
| 00:01.11 | rpmx | hi :) |
| 00:01.22 | neeto | Thanks stew |
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| 00:02.23 | insta | Hey guys ... I've got 4 client machines, one server machine, all on the same LAN with the home folders exported via NFS. Currently access permissions and such work by using careful manipulation of the user ID's on each machine, but now I feel it's time to ditch such a simple solution. Someone in #ubuntu (asking in either place because it's not distro specific and I have a mix of both types) suggested that I try NIS. Any other suggestions? |
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| 00:02.48 | rpmx | Good night, I use Maildir with sender_bcc and recipient_bcc to backup mail, the problem is: I need restore backup the one but, how I can filter this files ?, I probe with grep user | xargs cp /newfolder, some idea , thank you |
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| 00:02.55 | insta | Or, if no other suggestions, any easy tutorials for NIS that you guys know of? |
| 00:02.58 | infernix | insta: openafs? ocfs2? |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | NIS+! |
| 00:02.59 | joseppc | Anyone knows how to get nvidia-glx ? (debian testing here) |
| 00:03.08 | infernix | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 00:03.15 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:03.15 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:03.20 | infernix | why do i always spell em wrong |
| 00:03.29 | joseppc | infernix: done that, problem is that nvidia-glx is not found |
| 00:03.39 | lunitik | infernix: you need more practice is all :D |
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| 00:03.45 | insta | infernix, I'm (mostly) happy with the home folder soultion. I'm looking for centralized authentication. I should have made that more clear, sorry. |
| 00:03.51 | abrotman | because someone made them all different |
| 00:03.54 | infernix | joseppc: is your /etc/apt/sources.list correct? it needs contrib and non-free sources |
| 00:04.05 | joseppc | infernix: yep, all there |
| 00:04.15 | Cooner750 | Why, can I not install java-package? |
| 00:04.19 | Cooner750 | I get not found |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | you don't need it if you're using unstable |
| 00:04.25 | infernix | insta: nfs+nis should work then. you could go kerberos if you want bragging rights |
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| 00:04.49 | joseppc | infernix: I also did "apt-get update", of course ;-) |
| 00:04.53 | insta | Which can I have set up before, say, 9PM CST? (currently 7PM) |
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| 00:05.02 | rpmx | Good night, I use Maildir with sender_bcc and recipient_bcc to backup mail, the problem is: I need restore backup the one but, how I can filter this files ?, I probe with grep user | xargs cp /newfolder, any suggestions ?, thank you |
| 00:05.12 | stew | Cooner750: its in contrib, /msg dpkg contrib |
| 00:05.26 | infernix | Cooner750: you should probably too edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change "main" into "main contrib non-free", then apt-get update and try again |
| 00:05.29 | neeto | There is a million ko files... is there a way to just modprobe them all at once? |
| 00:06.07 | infernix | joseppc: are you on stable or testing? |
| 00:06.14 | joseppc | infernix: testing |
| 00:06.37 | g333k | Hi, what can I do if I need MS fonts installed in debian? |
| 00:06.48 | |dennis| | insta: we used nis+nfs..had problems with nfs...we had over 120 clients....now switching to nis+pam_mount..where pam_mount mounts homedirs using samba...yet to test it with all clients running...will eventually move to ldap+pam_mount..if all goes well.. |
| 00:06.53 | joseppc | infernix: I get this: "Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.<...>" |
| 00:07.01 | infernix | joseppc: try nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 00:07.17 | Knorrie | neeto: all?? that sounds like a very bad idea :) |
| 00:07.27 | neeto | Well |
| 00:07.33 | neeto | All of the ones that are associated with madwifi |
| 00:07.42 | neeto | Not every ko file on my computer |
| 00:07.46 | Knorrie | hehe |
| 00:07.49 | joseppc | infernix: mmm, I could install this one, but I'm affraid it doesn't support my card :/ |
| 00:08.05 | infernix | joseppc: i dunno, i have ati here. |
| 00:08.13 | joseppc | infernix: "lucky" you ;-) |
| 00:08.20 | insta | dennis: good information |
| 00:08.41 | infernix | well yea ldap would be much nicer but thats more complex to set up |
| 00:08.43 | insta | I'm currently experiencing problems with NFS. it lets me mount around 5 directories (each takes about 2-3 retries), and then the rest of them time out. |
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| 00:08.59 | joseppc | it's very weird, seems that nvidia-glx banished... |
| 00:09.05 | insta | what's weird is all the machines are on the same switch ... |
| 00:09.49 | insta | Mount requests show up left and right in syslog, too. |
| 00:09.53 | abrotman | g333k: msttcorefonts |
| 00:10.03 | insta | It looks like I'll have to fix this ... because I think it's related to portmap, which NIS uses as well. |
| 00:10.25 | |dennis| | insta: yeah..we had some weird problems as well...thats why we are switching over to pam_mount.....lots os syncing probs...stale file handles....got tired of it..:) |
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| 00:12.57 | Cooner750 | Er... |
| 00:13.18 | CHodapp | Uhhhh.... |
| 00:13.23 | Knorrie | moo |
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| 00:13.28 | Cooner750 | The install using java-package and then dpkg -i the .deb file seemed to work fine, no errors, but when i try java -version it says "command not found" |
| 00:13.28 | insta | I guess that's what I get for trying to be sneaky. I was going to have the clients just mount their home folders with sshfs and blowfish ... but I was going to synchronize the user lists to simply everything. But, looks like I can't get away from fixing portmap :) |
| 00:13.33 | jc | hi all |
| 00:13.48 | Knorrie | Cooner750: update-alternatives --config java |
| 00:14.14 | jc | hi |
| 00:14.37 | Cooner750 | it says nothing to configure |
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| 00:15.11 | Cooner750 | well, either way Wildfire runs now, so it does not matter |
| 00:15.17 | Cooner750 | as long as that runs and works, I'll have to test it |
| 00:15.23 | Knorrie | so there's some java out there |
| 00:15.36 | Knorrie | jabber.. nice |
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| 00:16.45 | Piet | etchs' debian-installer = awesome |
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| 00:17.07 | abrotman | does the etch installer install other things too ? |
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| 00:17.40 | infernix | like the former tasksel? |
| 00:17.45 | Cooner750 | Wildfire seems to work fine. Java appears to be installed properly |
| 00:17.59 | Cooner750 | Now for Apache, PHP, and MySQL.... |
| 00:18.07 | Piet | i just configured a system using lvm, encrypted everything-but-boot with it |
| 00:18.20 | lunitik | abrotman: it took away "manual package selection" and has some option like "basic system" or something which installs aspell ssh etc... |
| 00:18.21 | Piet | and yes, it runs tasksel, too |
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| 00:18.31 | abrotman | lunitik: tasksel |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | lunitik: and you still don't have to use that |
| 00:18.52 | rpmx | grep -l 'Return-Path: user@' new/* > /tmp/messages-to-restore but grep too long |
| 00:19.04 | lunitik | abrotman: aptitude* ;) |
| 00:19.14 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:20.05 | ma3x | fireglx |
| 00:20.07 | lunitik | abrotman: ahhh... I was thinking of dselect ... grrr |
| 00:20.32 | ma3x | how do I find out if there is, and how do I enable 3d acceleration on my nvidia video card? |
| 00:20.33 | stew | rpmx: echo new/* | xargs grep -l 'Return-Path user@' > /tmp/messages-to-restore |
| 00:20.39 | lunitik | abrotman: but yeah... tasksel seems to list manual package selection, but it wasn't in the beta2 installer |
| 00:20.50 | ma3x | !fireglx |
| 00:21.03 | infernix | ma3x: glxinfo | grep -i direct. should return direct rendering = yes |
| 00:21.04 | thomasb | hi, Would it be a bad idea to use X.org 6.9 with debian sarge. I need it to get the ATI fglrx drivers fully functional. |
| 00:21.22 | ma3x | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 00:21.22 | thomasb | Oops I ment X.org 6.9 from backports.org |
| 00:21.31 | infernix | thomasb: its on backports.org, and sure that'll work. |
| 00:21.41 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:22.08 | thomasb | thanks |
| 00:22.09 | infernix | ma3x: apt-get install xbase-clients. or if on etc, apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 00:22.50 | lunitik | abrotman: and true, you don't have to use it... can skip that step... but I usually just cycle through guided installs |
| 00:24.02 | rpmx | stew, thank you |
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| 00:24.44 | ma3x | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:24.44 | ma3x | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual |
| 00:24.58 | ma3x | infernix, what do I do next? |
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| 00:25.07 | infernix | ma3x: apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy. i guess. |
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| 00:26.02 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.10 | ma3x | was there no fireglx driver? |
| 00:26.13 | ma3x | !fireglx |
| 00:27.27 | ma3x | !fglrx |
| 00:27.27 | dpkg | i heard fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 00:27.33 | Cooner750 | Need some help getting PHP working with Apache it seems |
| 00:27.36 | infernix | thats ATI. |
| 00:27.43 | stew | ma3x: please /msg the bot |
| 00:27.47 | Cooner750 | I have php4-mysql installed, mysql-server, apache2, and php4. |
| 00:28.11 | Cooner750 | I created a phpinfo.php file with the right phpinfo code, and it asks to download the file |
| 00:28.17 | ma3x | ok |
| 00:28.36 | pstickne | Cooner750, httpd.conf |
| 00:28.48 | ma3x | can you please tell me how to enable 3d acceleration? is there any other way if fglrx doesnt work? |
| 00:28.49 | stew | Cooner750: did you run a2enmod to enable php4? |
| 00:29.03 | Eulex | http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/2006/08/01/312-etch-song xD |
| 00:29.07 | udos | moin |
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| 00:29.38 | stew | ma3x: which chipset is your video card? |
| 00:29.49 | infernix | max: i dont have nvidia but you need that nvidia-legacy-glx installed. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner and follow all instructions, ithink you don thave the kernel driver package installed (the m-a part) |
| 00:29.53 | amphi | ma3x: whay card/ |
| 00:30.05 | amphi | ma3x: er, what card? |
| 00:30.46 | |blue| | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16825115011 |
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| 00:31.00 | |blue| | I assume that should work relatively well with debian |
| 00:31.15 | ma3x | amphi, nvidia Geforce 3 |
| 00:31.28 | stew | ma3x: fglrx is for ati, not nvidia |
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| 00:32.03 | ma3x | oh :( |
| 00:32.09 | ma3x | damn, I forgot |
| 00:32.17 | ma3x | what's for nvidia, how to enable 3d? |
| 00:32.55 | abrotman | |blue|: it says linux at the bottom |
| 00:32.56 | infernix | ma3x: i just told you. |
| 00:33.10 | kyncani | !nvidia |
| 00:33.10 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 00:33.16 | ma3x | infernix, it's not insallable |
| 00:33.28 | enouf | ma3x: as infernix stated /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 00:33.37 | ma3x | enouf, I already did that |
| 00:33.46 | ma3x | but do I specify driver nvidia or nv? |
| 00:34.37 | ma3x | brb |
| 00:36.40 | insta | anyone wanna take a guess why rpc.nfsd fails when trying to contact its own portmap? :( |
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| 00:37.07 | stew | insta: my guess is "because portmap isn't listening" |
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| 00:37.23 | Cooner750 | Now here's where my MySQL problem is |
| 00:37.28 | insta | stew: that's a fiendish idea. Portmap listens on 2049, right? |
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| 00:37.47 | Cooner750 | I get "host localhost.localdomain is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server". Help? |
| 00:37.58 | stew | insta: 111 by default |
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| 00:38.11 | insta | Damn. That was simple enough to be the actual answer. |
| 00:39.02 | insta | Okay, Mr. Smarty Pants :p, why can't my desktop all of two feet away mount the folder exported by the server? I'm using the debian scripts, and things are listening on more than just localhost (all listening is being done on 0.0.0.0). The client fails with RPC timed out |
| 00:39.33 | abrotman | you broke something? |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | WOOHOOOOOOOO |
| 00:39.40 | insta | The client can ping and establish TCP connections with the server. I'm asking NFS to use TCP as well. |
| 00:40.06 | stew | insta: make sure portmap is installed and running on both the client and the server, "/etc/init.d/nfs-common restart" on the client "/etc/init.d/nfs-{kernel,or user}-server restart" on the server |
| 00:40.28 | abrotman | maybe you should get a job |
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| 00:40.43 | Cooner750 | anyone have any ideas on the mysql error? |
| 00:41.13 | infernix | Cooner750: you need to make a database and add users. read the manual, those are mysql basics |
| 00:41.21 | stew | Cooner750: you need to grant access for that host (localhost.localdomain), look up the grant commant |
| 00:41.29 | stew | command* |
| 00:41.39 | insta | stew: Any order? |
| 00:41.46 | stew | any |
| 00:42.09 | |dennis| | insta: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/johan/personal/linux.html scroll all the way down to the nfs part... when nfs screwed around ..as in when it said it was running and it was actually not..or was borked..i tried what was suggested... helped.. |
| 00:42.48 | insta | dennis: will read in the background, and full-time once stew gets fed up with me :) |
| 00:43.05 | insta | restarted portmap on both, then nfs on both, and the mount still times out |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | !feed stew |
| 00:44.10 | stew | !eat me |
| 00:44.10 | dvs | ale pie? |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | !punish dpkg |
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| 00:45.40 | abrotman | ok .. i'd like to know who the guy is that is singing in the middle of "Ted, Just Admit It..." |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | erm.. guy talking |
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| 00:46.20 | abrotman | it's not ted bundy is it ? |
| 00:46.57 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:47.21 | abrotman | the jane's addiction song |
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| 00:47.30 | dvs | dunno |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | oh .. apparently it is ted bundy |
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| 00:50.07 | Cooner750 | Found solution to mysql problem |
| 00:50.37 | Cooner750 | Had to edit /etc/hosts so it states 127.0.0.1 localhost instead of 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain |
| 00:50.42 | Cooner750 | Works now |
| 00:50.48 | Cooner750 | Must reboot after editing |
| 00:51.08 | dvs | Cooner750: you can have both |
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| 00:51.40 | manager | partition /dev/hda3 should be /dev/hda2 . how do I correct it from windows? |
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| 00:52.56 | bowman | heya :-) anyone else facing problems with gtk2 applications on the latest testing packages? on my box, the screen gets painted only partially by gtk2-based apps at the moment. |
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| 00:54.06 | sparr | I have a configure script that is spitting out a lot of makefiles. I would dearly like to modify its behavior to point to the proper libraries and compilers instead of manually editing every makefile. Anyone got tips on that? |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | install the debian package instead ? |
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| 00:55.16 | Cooner750 | To enable mysql support in PHP I have to uncomment 'extension=mysql.so', correct? |
| 00:55.17 | Kynetix | someone can help me? |
| 00:55.24 | Kynetix | i have partitions problem |
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| 00:56.06 | abrotman | Cooner750: and install the module |
| 00:56.09 | dvs | Kynetix: not if you don't say what the problem is |
| 00:56.17 | ApTek | !ask |
| 00:56.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:56.32 | Cooner750 | php4-mysql has already been installed |
| 00:56.34 | Kynetix | dvs, ok, my prome is: |
| 00:56.38 | Cooner750 | But it is not uncommented for some reason |
| 00:56.40 | sparr | abrotman: there isnt a debian distro available for the platform im compiling for, sadly. |
| 00:56.44 | Kynetix | i have a partition on vfat |
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| 00:56.54 | Kynetix | but i cannot write on it |
| 00:56.59 | ma3x | how do I set my monitor at 100 Hz frequency? |
| 00:57.02 | epsilon | Kynetix: write it in one line |
| 00:57.14 | Kynetix | when i mount with root all the permission is only for root |
| 00:57.20 | ma3x | I've set the proper Hz but KDE doesnt wanna change it |
| 00:57.23 | Kynetix | the user can only be read it |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | sparr: so you're asking us how to compile software on your non-debian system? |
| 00:57.41 | sparr | abrotman: only if you assume things i havent said and arent true. |
| 00:57.58 | Kynetix | when i try to change the permission by root i receive a message tell me: impossible operation |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | sparr: stop being a fucking ass and answer the damn question |
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| 00:58.16 | Kynetix | what can i do for read and write on this partition? |
| 00:58.30 | sparr | abrotman: no, im asking you how to compile software on my debian system, FOR a non-debian system |
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| 00:58.47 | NewGirl | there's a backup util based on rsync. anyone know what it's called? |
| 00:58.51 | epsilon | Kynetix: post your /etc/fstab in paster mentioned in topic |
| 00:58.54 | sparr | Kynetix: flash memory? make sure the write protect switch isnt on |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | why not just compile it on the other system ? |
| 00:59.11 | ma3x | how do I set my monitor at 100 Hz frequency? |
| 00:59.23 | Kynetix | sparr, is not a flash memory is a part of my HD |
| 00:59.39 | Kynetix | i try to paste |
| 00:59.41 | sparr | because the other system doesnt have a compiler. or enough memory to compile things reasonably. |
| 00:59.43 | epsilon | ma3x: x.org oir freex? |
| 01:00.29 | bowman | NewGirl: tried apt-cache search rsync backup ? |
| 01:00.29 | ma3x | epsilon, xorg |
| 01:00.47 | Kynetix | beh about the partition i have: /dev/hda3 /media/FossaDati vfat defaults 0 0 |
| 01:00.51 | epsilon | ma3x: basically you can reconfigure your X/monitorsetup, or edit the conf file by hand and 'fix' the frequency |
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| 01:01.25 | Kynetix | but i cannot write it |
| 01:01.37 | Kynetix | P.S. i'm using ubuntu |
| 01:01.54 | ma3x | epsilon, this is my monitors frequency : HorizSync 30-86 |
| 01:01.54 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.00 | ApTek | !ubuntu |
| 01:02.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 01:02.02 | ma3x | so why can't I set it to 100 in KDE? |
| 01:02.06 | ma3x | 1024x768 res |
| 01:02.40 | bucky | sparr: http://people.debian.org/~debacle/cross/ would probably work for you or use the url there for scratchbox |
| 01:03.15 | Kynetix | epsilon, beh about the partition i have: /dev/hda3 /media/FossaDati vfat defaults 0 0 |
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| 01:03.28 | epsilon | ma3x: is that only frequency info in general, or is it in the config file? |
| 01:03.37 | epsilon | Kynetix: #ubuntu |
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| 01:03.57 | Kynetix | epsilon, why? i have a general problem |
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| 01:04.01 | valdyn | ma3x: because you have no vesa mode built in or modeline or mode in the driver of that frequency |
| 01:04.01 | waiting | good hello :P |
| 01:04.17 | Kynetix | epsilon, generic problem |
| 01:04.23 | valdyn | ma3x: s/modeline/modeline in your X config file/ |
| 01:04.36 | jonas23 | I have been trying to install madwifi the debian way; have read README and INSTALL files, but still can't figure out my problem.. when I'm compiling it it seems to think my kernel is 2.6.17, but the kernel is expecting 2.6.17-1-i686 or something like that |
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| 01:04.48 | sparr | bucky: ive already got a custom build environment, complete with sdl, i need to get configure to use it. i dont want to rebuild the whole environment from debian packages, especially when it probably wouldnt even work when i was done |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | what kind of system doesn't have enough ram to compile .. but has enough ram to run sdl apps ? |
| 01:05.31 | bucky | sparr: when you get away from the deb binaries you are pretty much on your own |
| 01:05.37 | ma3x | epsilon, it's my monitors frequency |
| 01:05.38 | Kynetix | thnks a lot |
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| 01:05.48 | abrotman | sparr: maybe ask #linux |
| 01:05.51 | epsilon | ma3x: add it in conf |
| 01:05.58 | ma3x | epsilon, add what? |
| 01:06.12 | sparr | abrotman: well, its got 64MB. it could compile, but id rather not. its slow, and the filesystem is NAND |
| 01:06.24 | epsilon | ma3x: the frequency you posted? |
| 01:06.33 | abrotman | sparr: this is really not a debian problem |
| 01:07.08 | ma3x | epsilon, it's added already. I posted it from the conf |
| 01:07.22 | sparr | abrotman: i think your consistent assumption that anything asked in #debian is a debian problem is at fault here. |
| 01:07.31 | ma3x | I have /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda3 |
| 01:07.37 | ma3x | how do I rename /dev/hda3 to /dev/hda2 ? |
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| 01:07.43 | abrotman | sparr: you're asking how to compile software for a non-debian system .. HOW IS IT a debian problem? |
| 01:07.46 | bowman | ma3x: you can't. |
| 01:07.49 | sparr | ma3x: hook it up to the same ide cable as hda1 :) |
| 01:08.00 | sparr | ma3x: oh, duh, my bad. repartition. |
| 01:08.11 | sparr | abrotman: its not. youre the one who assumed it was. |
| 01:08.14 | ma3x | sparr, I can't repartition. there is trick to rename it |
| 01:08.14 | bowman | sparr: if he puts it onto the same cable, it becomes hdb ;) |
| 01:08.16 | ma3x | I just forgot how |
| 01:08.21 | sparr | bowman: yes, i realized |
| 01:08.21 | ma3x | I mean there is no /dev/hda2!!! |
| 01:08.22 | peterS | sparr: your assumption that non-debian questions are appropriate for #debian is what's at fault here |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | sparr: YOU FUCKWAD .. YOU'RE ASKING THE DEBIAN SUPPORT CHANNEL |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | no wonder caphuso used to ban you all the time |
| 01:09.04 | sparr | peterS: i hate to burst your bubble, but to us normal users #debian is just another linux help channel, the one where instructions are most likely to work given a debian system |
| 01:09.09 | peterS | there's this assumption one sees occasionally that "because I run at least one debian-based system somewhere, all my computer questions are OK for #debian". I have no idea where this comes from. |
| 01:09.41 | sparr | peterS: whatever answer i get, wherever, im going to try doing it on a debian system. it follows that answers in #debian are most likely to be accurate |
| 01:09.55 | sparr | i dont mind that #debian is not the most likely place to find an answer |
| 01:10.00 | abrotman | sparr: i think you should install debian on the system .. then come back and ask |
| 01:10.13 | sparr | if i ask in #slackware and get an answer theres a good chance it wont work |
| 01:10.18 | ma3x | hey |
| 01:10.22 | peterS | sparr: whether or not answers in #debian are more likely to be accurate has nothing to do with whether the question is appropriate. as it happens, we have some smart people here who could give you accurate answers on lots of topics - it doesn't mean you should ask. |
| 01:10.28 | ma3x | how can I make /dev/hda3 back to /dev/hda2 |
| 01:10.36 | bucky | the problem is sparr ran ahead and built the build environment with source packages and now he can't fall back to using debs and doing it the debian way.. and he still hasn't told up what platform it's for so apparently this discussion is going to go on for a while |
| 01:10.44 | sparr | bucky: i didnt build the build environment |
| 01:11.00 | bucky | sparr: that's what you told me ^^ |
| 01:11.00 | sparr | the platform is a GP2X handheld |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | bucky: it's not related to a debian system .. his questions are offtopic |
| 01:11.09 | sparr | no, it's not what i told you |
| 01:11.32 | bucky | <sparr> bucky: ive already got a custom build environment, complete with sdl, i need to get configure to use it. |
| 01:11.42 | sparr | yes. a build environment that is custom. |
| 01:11.44 | epsilon | ma3x: you have to reorganise your partitions |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | NOT DEBIAN |
| 01:11.51 | ma3x | epsilon, how do I do that? |
| 01:11.51 | sparr | had i meant what you think i meant, i would have said a custom BUILT environment |
| 01:11.52 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | bucky: just stop . or take him to ##linux .. it really doesn't belong here |
| 01:12.14 | sparr | i have a custom build environment. im not the one who built it. |
| 01:12.34 | bucky | abrotman: i should be able to take up as much bandwidth as you on this topic |
| 01:12.41 | MatBoy | My workstation is resyncig the softwareraid at the moment... everything goes well... but it started automaticly... someone any idea if this is normal ? All devices are online.. nothing offline |
| 01:12.50 | MatBoy | *resyncing |
| 01:12.52 | sparr | peterS: if i have a question about math, and ask it in #physics because #math is +i, is that wrong? no. #physics is where a lot of math-savvy folk hang out. |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | we've become sparr's personal Q&A board for whatever problem he can't figure out .. which seems to be quite a few |
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| 01:13.07 | peterS | sparr: regardless, the counsel you will get here is "ditch the custom build environment, the appropriate debian -dev packages are more likely to work correctly and that's what we know how to support" |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | and more often than not .. they're not debian questions |
| 01:13.16 | bucky | sparr: I gave you solution for your problem.. you didn't like the answer |
| 01:13.16 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 01:13.27 | jonas23 | sorry to ask again, but i am trying to compile madwifi drivers for 2.6.17 but there is something going wrong with the versioning.. it's installing the modules to /lib/modules/2.6.17/ instead of /lib/modules/2.6.17-1-686/, and of course the format is not the same as the stock kernel so they won't work |
| 01:13.28 | sparr | peterS: youre completely welcome to ignore my questions, thats the response i expect form most. |
| 01:13.45 | sparr | bucky: i liked it less than the possible alternative of figuring out how to beat configure into submission. |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | sparr: go ask in a place where your questions belong .. |
| 01:13.51 | peterS | sparr: you are not, however, completely welcome to keep asking questions on topics we explicitly don't support, wasting our energy where we'd rather be helping actual debian users |
| 01:14.41 | sparr | well, since this is going nowhere, i see no harm in observing that i expect shortly to witness yet another channel op who doesnt know the difference in /ignore and /kick |
| 01:15.04 | peterS | sparr: believe me, the channel ops know the difference between ignore and kick. ignore only helps one person at a time, kick can make a whole channel more productive. |
| 01:15.10 | bucky | sparr: how about /ban |
| 01:15.18 | CHodapp | I AM OP! HEAR ME ROAR! |
| 01:15.21 | sparr | bucky: "/mode +b" isnt as easy to type |
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| 01:15.51 | bucky | sparr: it's abrotman's turn to be the center of the universe today... not yours |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | besides .. he'll probably just go to OFTC and ask them the offtopic questions :) |
| 01:16.05 | sparr | abrotman: likely |
| 01:16.11 | abrotman | see |
| 01:16.28 | abrotman | some people just aren't willing to learn |
| 01:16.31 | jonas23 | does anyone know the answer to my question ^_^; |
| 01:16.35 | sparr | here, then efnet, then OFTC, the ordering merely dictated by which networks im usually already on |
| 01:16.54 | peterS | efnet sounds like a great place for people like you, frankly |
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| 01:17.01 | insta | jonas23: can you symlink one dir to the other? |
| 01:17.04 | jonas23 | this is happening when i try to make, or when i use make-kpkg (la di da) module |
| 01:17.08 | abrotman | jonas22: how did you compile them? |
| 01:17.16 | jonas23 | insta, well, i can do such a thing but the modules won't work when i load them |
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| 01:17.18 | abrotman | look .. a debian question!!! |
| 01:17.21 | jonas23 | they say the version is off |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | MatBoy: no |
| 01:17.42 | jonas23 | in the regular console i get "Invalid module format" but on the system console i was getting something more verbose |
| 01:17.50 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn, go to sleep !! :p |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | jonas22: how did you install them |
| 01:17.57 | abrotman | MatBoy: it's 9pm |
| 01:18.05 | jonas23 | oh, it's in dmesg |
| 01:18.09 | MatBoy | abrotman, ok, you are legal ;) |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | if i go to sleep now ... i'll wake up at like 3am |
| 01:18.25 | jonas23 | abrotman, i tried to use dpkg -i at first on my generated deb, but it kept asking for 2.6.17 |
| 01:18.29 | insta | does anyone hate portmap as much as i do? :( |
| 01:18.30 | MatBoy | abrotman, I'm awake at 3 am :) |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 01:18.35 | dpkg | methinks madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 01:18.42 | peterS | insta: probably not. what are the reasons for your hatred? |
| 01:18.43 | [cro]smiley | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.43 | [cro]smiley | i need someone to test deb package of my application on debian: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170378 |
| 01:18.44 | [cro]smiley | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.56 | bucky | OFTC has the same old newbies asking the same questions over and over |
| 01:18.59 | sparr | bucky: ok, assuming i take the time to build a new environment, how would i go about telling THAT environment where to find my custom sdl stuff? |
| 01:18.59 | MatBoy | wowie... really great softwareraid... I can advise it !!! |
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| 01:19.21 | jonas23 | hmm... i got the madwifi from elsewhere.. using sid |
| 01:19.23 | abrotman | sparr: for the love of god .. go away |
| 01:19.25 | MatBoy | somthing messed up my stystem... can;t say what... it;s running and was automaticly going to resybc ! |
| 01:19.26 | insta | peterS: clients keep getting RPC: timed out errors, even on the same LAN (on the same switch!) there are no firewall rules anywhere |
| 01:19.31 | MatBoy | *resync |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | jonas22: use that method |
| 01:19.45 | peterS | insta: talking to the portmapper, or talking to actual rpc apps? |
| 01:19.48 | MatBoy | and still is during this chat :P |
| 01:19.50 | insta | talking to portmap |
| 01:19.59 | jonas23 | abrotman, i'll try that now |
| 01:20.00 | insta | at least, i think |
| 01:20.02 | sparr | abrotman: wtf, i ask for help doing it the debian way and you still hate me |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | !tell jonas22 about madwifi install |
| 01:20.16 | insta | it just fails generically at the command line when trying to mount NFS shares with "RPC: timed out" |
| 01:20.19 | MatBoy | sparr, I think you messed up :P |
| 01:20.20 | abrotman | sparr: don't be an ass .. it's not for a debian box |
| 01:20.38 | jonas23 | waah! abrotman, it is installing more headers... i wonder why apt did not find it necessary to install these when i installed the image |
| 01:20.40 | sparr | abrotman: so? it doesnt matter what the target is, im asking for help with the debian side of things. |
| 01:20.48 | MatBoy | abrotman, maybe he wants te be an ass because he has such a flat one :p damn.. so ugly :D |
| 01:20.54 | abrotman | jonas22: eh? |
| 01:20.55 | peterS | sparr: let's start at the beginning. why do you need a custom SDL build environment? |
| 01:20.56 | sparr | on my debian computer, i want to point to a custom sdl_config. who cares why? im asking HOW |
| 01:21.20 | abrotman | MatBoy: are you german? |
| 01:21.55 | sparr | peterS: i dont particularly need a custom environment, but i already have one that works so i am wary of trying to build a new one. what i do need is to link against platform-specific sdl libraries, and use the associated headers and such. |
| 01:21.55 | MatBoy | abrotman, Hollandisch... alsomt the same :P |
| 01:21.55 | MatBoy | almost |
| 01:21.56 | abrotman | just wondering .. i totally don't get german humor :) |
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| 01:22.01 | peterS | sparr: so you have a sdl_config script but your other application, which also isn't a debian package, isn't using it? |
| 01:22.04 | insta | peterS: any ideas? |
| 01:22.14 | sparr | peterS: i expect that, should i build a cross environment from scratch, im still going to have the same problem getting configure to point the right places. |
| 01:22.34 | MatBoy | abrotman, see it this way... I only like woman with a nice round ass... the flat ones are ugly.. and when they have a flat one... you really want to be an ass.. no matter what :P |
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| 01:22.47 | MatBoy | abchirk, do you get it now ? |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:23.02 | MatBoy | sorry ! I mean abrotman |
| 01:23.03 | MatBoy | :) |
| 01:23.10 | peterS | sparr: I suspect this is a question for the developer of your other non-debian application. he or she can tell you how to guide its choice of SDL configuration. as a start, I would experiment with putting your favorite sdl_config script at the top of the default PATH, probably in /usr/local/bin. |
| 01:23.14 | sparr | peterS: well, my debian packages arent using it either, but thats desired behavior. |
| 01:23.18 | abrotman | MatBoy: he knows .... it happens often |
| 01:23.40 | MatBoy | abrotman, damn.. I'm with that guy... ! |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | or build in a chroot? |
| 01:23.46 | jonas23 | abrotman, thanks a lot, that worked like a charm! |
| 01:23.53 | peterS | insta: no, I don't know why RPC calls would time out on a LAN without any particular firewalling or NATing |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | jonas23: enjoy |
| 01:23.57 | TARZEAU | abrotman: bub-n-bros? |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | TARZEAU: no way .. you'll kick my ass .. but MatBoy will play |
| 01:24.30 | TARZEAU | abrotman: i've just died against a minotaur in nethack, with 600k points |
| 01:24.41 | TARZEAU | abrotman: i was all setup for ascension |
| 01:24.43 | insta | peterS, the NFS server is doing other firewall and routing, but it's to forward internal traffic to the outside world. I can SSH or telnet to any port on the server from one of the clients ... which is presumably what portmap would do as well. |
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| 01:24.47 | TARZEAU | a 3 night game |
| 01:24.54 | MatBoy | abrotman, play ? for what ? |
| 01:24.56 | insta | MatBoy: you're easy to please, aren't you? |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | MatBoy: ask TARZEAU |
| 01:25.05 | TARZEAU | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | MatBoy: /j #bub-n-bros |
| 01:25.16 | MatBoy | what the hack is it ? |
| 01:25.37 | TARZEAU | it also has dragons, but it's not like nethack |
| 01:25.40 | peterS | insta: here's how portmap works. it lives on UDP+TCP port 111 and serves two functions. one is to tell clients what ports the other RPC services are on, because those are generally dynamic rather than fixed. the other is to let local RPC services register themselves so that they appear in portmap's dynamic service table. |
| 01:26.02 | peterS | insta: use 'rpcinfo -p theservername' to see the information portmap is giving out about services and port numbers. |
| 01:26.12 | MatBoy | abrotman, I will see later |
| 01:26.26 | MatBoy | I'm having a great party with mdadm :D |
| 01:26.47 | peterS | insta: and then make sure that the NFS-related services (nfs, nlockmgr, mountd, status) are all not firewalled from the client |
| 01:26.59 | MatBoy | !beer mdadm |
| 01:27.02 | peterS | yes, you need all four, if you want full-featured NFS to work |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | peterS: have you ever messed with evms ? |
| 01:27.36 | TARZEAU | peterS, abrotman ever used NetInfo? |
| 01:27.39 | terminal|giga | anyone upgrade sarge 3.1 to testing and install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:27.45 | insta | peterS: there are no rules preventing clients from accessing ports on the server. rpcinfo -p shows "unknown host" for any of mountd, nfsd, rpc.mountd, rpc.nfsd |
| 01:27.46 | peterS | abrotman: no, but I've always wanted to because it's supposed to be able to support AIX LVM |
| 01:27.49 | TARZEAU | i mean decades before mac os x/apple? |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | !tell terminal|giga about sarge->etch |
| 01:27.54 | MatBoy | peterS, every messed with girls ?? :p |
| 01:28.01 | abrotman | peterS: i was more wondering about a comparison with LVM |
| 01:28.08 | sparr | peterS: this really is a generic linux question, its not debian-specific no matter how its wrapped. the behavior of the 'configure' script, despite it being universally customized, is pretty standard, I just dont understand it all. I know theres a way to get it to use my compiler, I've done that before. but the sdl part is tripping me up. |
| 01:28.21 | peterS | abrotman: evms is "one system to rule them all", it handles LVM as well as RAID and normal partitioning, all in one big tent |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. it's over top of LVM and RAID ? |
| 01:28.39 | terminal|giga | abrotman, thanks. |
| 01:28.46 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 01:28.47 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:28.50 | peterS | abrotman: it sort of replaces your normal LVM and RAID tools, yeah. |
| 01:28.56 | terminal|giga | I'll try it out; hopefully i dont fubar my install |
| 01:28.58 | abrotman | lovely |
| 01:29.03 | peterS | and can use the same on-disk formats |
| 01:29.18 | MatBoy | TARZEAU, why do I always get hungry of that popcon..... popcorn ?? damn |
| 01:29.18 | ma3x | how do I boot a partition from a floppy disk |
| 01:29.26 | ma3x | do I type 'linux /dev/hdaN' ? |
| 01:29.49 | peterS | whoa, how time flies. my rice cooker just finished its job and I hadn't even thought to start the tuna whitesauce |
| 01:29.50 | dvs | ma3x: is that a root partition? |
| 01:29.58 | TARZEAU | MatBoy: which timezone? |
| 01:30.03 | ma3x | dvs yea |
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| 01:30.05 | insta | peterS: jsut verified on the client, ports 111 and 2049 are open on the server. |
| 01:30.08 | Marticus | my god... |
| 01:30.10 | MatBoy | TARZEAU, 3 am here |
| 01:30.14 | dvs | ma3x: linux root=/dev/hdaN |
| 01:30.17 | MatBoy | 3:30 already ! |
| 01:30.18 | TARZEAU | MatBoy: 3:31 here |
| 01:30.27 | MatBoy | nah, 2:29 here |
| 01:30.28 | peterS | insta: that's fine for portmapper itself and for nfsd, but in order to mount a filesystem you also need the mountd service |
| 01:30.28 | TARZEAU | MatBoy: and you don't sleep? holidays? |
| 01:30.28 | MatBoy | hehe |
| 01:31.09 | MatBoy | TARZEAU, no, I just couldn't sleep and when I was working in vmware... I just got a very high diskload... my raid-sessions crashed :P |
| 01:31.16 | peterS | insta: in fact, nfs isn't even guaranteed to be on port 2049, that's just traditionally the first port it tries to use when it starts up. to be correct you have to ask the portmapper where nfs lives, and this can change when you restart nfsd |
| 01:31.27 | ma3x | dvs, thank you evry much! |
| 01:31.31 | TARZEAU | MatBoy: will you join bub-n-bros now otherwise i go to sleep |
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| 01:31.34 | dvs | it worked? |
| 01:31.35 | insta | peterS: will you be around for a bit still? |
| 01:31.37 | insta | i have to go eat ... |
| 01:31.43 | MatBoy | TARZEAU, zo I'm looking to 100% almost :) |
| 01:31.53 | peterS | insta: same here, I have to finish cooking dinner, then I'll be back (: |
| 01:31.58 | TARZEAU | i've finished 4 levels already |
| 01:32.00 | Gun_Smoke | So I hear this is a rough crowd on new guys... had to come see for myself |
| 01:32.00 | MatBoy | TARZEAU, go to sleep than.. I'm gone very soon also ! |
| 01:32.20 | insta | good deal, thanks for your help so far. |
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| 01:32.26 | tuxvix | hello |
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| 01:32.36 | tuxvix | does debian support 64-bit processors? |
| 01:32.52 | abchirk | everytime the same with abrotman :D |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | !blame abauer |
| 01:33.11 | magyar | how can i find out or who keeps track of which H/W manufacturers have drivers available for opensource comunity? |
| 01:33.14 | abchirk | pff.. |
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| 01:33.22 | MatBoy | !beer abchirk |
| 01:33.28 | peterS | tuxvix: yes, several. alpha, sparcv9 and ia64 are supported the best, but ppc64, hppa64 and amd64 are supported too |
| 01:33.39 | abchirk | abrotman, maybe we have to fight it out with some dices :D |
| 01:33.41 | MatBoy | abchirk, my fault :D |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | !roll |
| 01:33.49 | dpkg | abrotman rolled: 4 |
| 01:33.51 | abchirk | thx for beer :D |
| 01:33.55 | abchirk | !roll |
| 01:34.00 | tuxvix | I have dual core 940 pentium prcessor. what should I use then Intel IA-64 ? |
| 01:34.01 | TARZEAU | peterS: but that a bunch of software isn't 64bit aware |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | ha! |
| 01:34.01 | peterS | tuxvix: note that with amd64, debian stable doesn't officially support it in 64-bit mode, you have to use an unofficial CD |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | i win! |
| 01:34.07 | abchirk | !roll |
| 01:34.07 | dpkg | abchirk rolled: 2 |
| 01:34.09 | TARZEAU | peterS: or little endian, nobody tells |
| 01:34.11 | MatBoy | abchirk, ok... I have a good knife :P we can fight if you want... or are you going to use bombs ?? :P |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:34.13 | dvs | tuxvix: you have Itanium?!? |
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| 01:34.15 | abchirk | ok less number wins :P |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 01:34.23 | TARZEAU | peterS: it can be looked up for some software packages in BTS |
| 01:34.24 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 01:34.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:34.25 | dvs | abrotman: you're on a roll |
| 01:34.28 | tuxvix | no Pentium D |
| 01:34.29 | rpmx | I use network 172.16.10.0 but only rest 20 Ip Address, Howto can I have more ips without use linux router ? |
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| 01:34.34 | peterS | TARZEAU: there's plenty of software in both categories in the world. I suspect big-endian support will only get worse as time goes on, now that ppc is starting to look dead |
| 01:34.38 | abrotman | dvs: can i trade them in to get a horse? |
| 01:34.55 | dvs | a thoroughbread? |
| 01:35.10 | tuxvix | will Intel IA-64 work for Pentium D 940 (dual core) 64-bit processor? |
| 01:35.29 | peterS | tuxvix: if you paid less than $3000 for your system, it isn't an ia64. |
| 01:35.30 | dvs | tuxvix: No, it works for an Itanium |
| 01:35.32 | MatBoy | abrotman, you can lay them on top of each other... a several of ponys can make a horse that way :P |
| 01:35.47 | peterS | tuxvix: the modern Intel 64-bit chips are amd64 clones |
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| 01:36.09 | tuxvix | ok, so what should I use then? |
| 01:36.21 | peterS | tuxvix: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 - should have download links |
| 01:36.23 | tuxvix | This is my first time to use Debian =) Please help. |
| 01:36.27 | dvs | tuxvix: 686 |
| 01:36.42 | peterS | dvs: "686" does not appear on download links, so that's not too helpful |
| 01:36.44 | tuxvix | I am on this page right now. http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/ |
| 01:37.02 | tuxvix | also should I use sarge or etch the first time I install ? |
| 01:37.06 | dvs | peterS: amd64 isn't officially supported so he might need help |
| 01:37.22 | peterS | tuxvix: amd64 was not officially released as part of sarge. unofficial install images exist at the URL I gave you. that's what I'd go with. they're release quality, they just didn't get into the release because of, believe it or not, disk space issues on the Debian download mirrors |
| 01:37.27 | tuxvix | I've used other distros before but never Debian, I am trying to build a server / desktop from it. |
| 01:37.42 | TARZEAU | peterS: so will 32bit sooner or later? |
| 01:37.54 | TARZEAU | peterS: does intel/amd still produce non64bit cpus? |
| 01:37.57 | dvs | tuxvix: then definitely 386 |
| 01:38.06 | tuxvix | peterS, lol, I can provide them with the mirror space. |
| 01:38.10 | TARZEAU | and what's gonna happen to nvidia, now that ati got bought by amd? |
| 01:38.19 | peterS | tuxvix: you can provide mirror space in 50 countries? |
| 01:38.24 | tuxvix | ok so would be Intel x86 ? |
| 01:38.36 | dvs | tuxvix: yes, and it's supported. |
| 01:38.39 | tuxvix | peterS, no one |
| 01:38.46 | peterS | tuxvix: you would not believe how many debian mirrors there are and how much bandwidth they offer. it's pretty huge. anyway, the space problem was worked out and now amd64 _is_ part of debian, this just did not happen in time for the sarge release |
| 01:39.13 | tuxvix | ok, so it would be available for etch then? |
| 01:39.17 | peterS | tuxvix: anyway, you can get an installer from www.debian.org/ports/amd64 or you can use the 32-bit official 'i386' images. |
| 01:39.19 | tuxvix | should I go with etch? |
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| 01:39.49 | dvs | tuxvix: If you don't mind getting frequent updates |
| 01:40.01 | tuxvix | peterS, will it work good on 64-bit processor? |
| 01:40.02 | peterS | tuxvix: your choice - etch is a bit cutting edge, I don't know that I recommend it for a beginner - but if you want to, feel free. alternatively, the unofficial sarge amd64 installer is what I'd recommend |
| 01:40.43 | peterS | tuxvix: a 32-bit environment on a 64-bit kernel should work just fine. it just won't be quite as fast, since they made some architectural improvements when switching to 64 bits beyond just the number of bits involved |
| 01:40.44 | tuxvix | ok, I will use AMD64 unofficial and sarge release. |
| 01:41.00 | tuxvix | the unofficial release means its not supported by debian? |
| 01:41.26 | tuxvix | Oh, no I need DVD version. |
| 01:41.44 | TARZEAU | is someone of you the gray dragon? |
| 01:41.45 | peterS | tuxvix: correct ... but since amd64 is included in debian _now_, I think you'll find that support is actually pretty good |
| 01:42.00 | tuxvix | ok, is it in etch? |
| 01:42.05 | peterS | yes |
| 01:42.30 | tuxvix | I dont know what you gave me; http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 01:42.40 | tuxvix | but this wont work, I need DVD version ISO image. |
| 01:43.02 | peterS | the amd64 people didn't release dvd images? hmmmm |
| 01:43.13 | tuxvix | I cant find it. |
| 01:43.22 | dvs | tuxvix: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:43.30 | tuxvix | lol |
| 01:43.32 | TARZEAU | wow someone still got DVD? |
| 01:43.33 | tuxvix | yeah I see it now |
| 01:43.35 | tuxvix | sorry guys |
| 01:43.37 | dvs | tuxvix: it was on that page |
| 01:43.39 | peterS | tuxvix: most people don't need DVD images because most people just install a minimal system from a minimal ("netinst") CD, then use network-based installation and upgrading from there on out. the CD is only used once, basically. |
| 01:43.45 | zinx | tuxvix: the netinstall image won't work? |
| 01:43.49 | tuxvix | I like dvd =) |
| 01:43.58 | peterS | tuxvix: if you don't have much bandwidth on the server you're installing, you may prefer to have full CD/DVD images, but most people don't need them |
| 01:44.05 | tuxvix | no, I am a begginer in Debian. |
| 01:44.33 | waiting | tuxvix: beginners can also monitor a network installation :) |
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| 01:44.54 | tuxvix | is 31r0a-amd64-binary-1.iso stable release? |
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| 01:45.01 | dvs | tuxvix: yes |
| 01:45.03 | tuxvix | I mean 31r0a |
| 01:45.07 | tuxvix | dvs, thx |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | wtf is eulex! |
| 01:45.32 | tuxvix | So, it will support my processor right? |
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| 01:45.36 | peterS | tuxvix: right |
| 01:45.41 | peterS | the latest is 3.1r3 or so, but the main difference between r0a and r3 is security updates. those, you can download. |
| 01:45.48 | Cooner750 | How can i get FTP working in Debian? I have PureFTP installed, but is there a GUI for it? |
| 01:46.19 | TARZEAU | !for x |
| 01:46.19 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
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| 01:47.12 | peterS | TARZEAU: or if it's something like cplay for which a really small font is more useful, xterm -fn fixed -e screen -x cplay (: |
| 01:47.31 | peterS | (yes, I keep my cplay in a screen session named 'cplay') |
| 01:48.01 | SerajewelKS | on etch, sauerbraten has started giving me "sound init failed (SDL_mixer): Failed loading glXGetSwapIntervalMESA: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: glXGetSwapIntervalMESA" |
| 01:48.04 | tuxvix | OK, if I would install a debian on the server, should I use latest release of etch for security purposes? |
| 01:48.18 | SerajewelKS | has anything been updated that would cause this? |
| 01:48.20 | Blissex | tuxvix: the opposite. There is no latest release of Etch. |
| 01:48.23 | Cooner750 | anyone? |
| 01:48.32 | dvs | tuxvix: etch is constantly being updated. |
| 01:48.47 | dvs | !security etch |
| 01:48.49 | tuxvix | dvs, so that means its not stable |
| 01:48.56 | dvs | tuxvix: no, it's not |
| 01:49.01 | abrotman | Cooner750: a gui for what? |
| 01:49.03 | peterS | tuxvix: I wouldn't go for etch just yet. install the unofficial sarge image and they have their own security updates which will be set up at that time |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | i thought security.d.o was handling pure64 updates for sarge |
| 01:49.38 | Cooner750 | For PureFTP |
| 01:49.40 | tuxvix | yeah, about that. I think I would install a debian on P4 1.6Ghz 32bit for now |
| 01:49.53 | Cooner750 | Just how can i get an FTP server working in Debian? |
| 01:49.56 | Cooner750 | Preferably with a GUI |
| 01:50.02 | dvs | tuxvix: you need a 386 for that. |
| 01:50.10 | dvs | tuxvix: 386 disks that it |
| 01:50.12 | dvs | is |
| 01:50.15 | tuxvix | yeah, is Intel x86 = 383 ? |
| 01:50.25 | dvs | tuxvix: yes |
| 01:50.27 | tuxvix | sorry = 386 / |
| 01:50.28 | bucky | tuxvix: there is a cd-dvd copy of sarge amd64 |
| 01:50.29 | bucky | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id230754 |
| 01:50.38 | tuxvix | yeah thx budy |
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| 01:50.47 | bucky | and it works really well |
| 01:50.56 | peterS | tuxvix: right. certain packages will have a separate compile for newer systems, but most packages are compiled to run on any intel 386, 486, 586, 686 or 64-bit whatever they call that |
| 01:50.56 | bucky | but use the how to |
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| 01:51.25 | tuxvix | I belive they call 64-bit = AMD64 lol |
| 01:51.41 | rudenstam | is it possible to write to a socket from outside the program which opened the socket ? |
| 01:51.52 | tuxvix | It's not like everyone has a AMD64 some of as have Intel 64-bit |
| 01:51.53 | peterS | tuxvix: no, AMD calls them that, Intel calls them "em64t" to disguise the fact that they're an AMD clone. they'd really like the world to think _they_ came up with the 64-bit x86 processors (: |
| 01:52.10 | tuxvix | peterS nice thanks, good to know |
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| 01:52.36 | Hoxzer | how can I check time in command line? |
| 01:52.39 | peterS | they also reused the "Xeon" CPU brand name, so it's somewhat confusing to tell from the name of a chip whether it's 32-bit or 64-bit |
| 01:52.43 | peterS | Hoxzer: date |
| 01:52.48 | tuxvix | yeah, I know AMD64 is better but not for my money :) |
| 01:52.54 | dvs | peterS: They did! But no one used them. ;-) |
| 01:53.07 | peterS | tuxvix: actually they say the Intel clones are better price/performance than the AMD originals, at the moment |
| 01:53.14 | tuxvix | for some reason when I build this pc, it was cheaper to by Intel Pentium D 940 (dual core) then AMD |
| 01:53.31 | tuxvix | :) yeah, that what I thutt. |
| 01:53.44 | peterS | dvs: Intel's 64-bit chip, the Itanium, was not an x86. it had a little x86 emulator built into it, but the main chip is completely different |
| 01:53.48 | tuxvix | the price on amd is too much |
| 01:54.07 | tuxvix | My is 64-bit for shure |
| 01:54.14 | tuxvix | its dual core, works asome |
| 01:54.26 | peterS | tuxvix: when Intel came out with their first AMD64 clones, they were expensive and slow. but apparently they've gotten better, so that I'm told it's better to buy an Intel right now than and AMD |
| 01:54.45 | tuxvix | yeap |
| 01:54.46 | dvs | tuxvix: It just uses so much power |
| 01:54.53 | tuxvix | dvs, nop |
| 01:54.56 | Cooner750 | FTP? |
| 01:54.56 | tuxvix | its fine |
| 01:55.04 | tuxvix | Cooner750, GUI one? |
| 01:55.20 | Cooner750 | Yes |
| 01:55.21 | dvs | tuxvix: compared to the Core Duo 2 it does. That's probably why you can get it so cheap now. |
| 01:55.29 | peterS | Cooner750: what I'd do for ftp (what I do, in fact) is to install vsftpd and edit the text file /etc/vsftpd.conf. it's really not that hard of a thing to edit, so I bet you won't even feel the need for a GUI editor of your ftp server config |
| 01:55.47 | tuxvix | Cooner750, Wxftp - A GUI FTP client > http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/wxftp.html |
| 01:56.25 | tuxvix | btw, I found nice site lol http://linux.maruhn.com/directory.html |
| 01:56.32 | peterS | well, that's an ftp _client_, I thought he needed an ftp _server_ |
| 01:56.52 | tuxvix | Cooner750, here is some more http://linux.maruhn.com/cat/Internet/FTP.html |
| 01:56.58 | tuxvix | oh |
| 01:56.59 | tuxvix | ok |
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| 01:57.28 | insta | peterS: still there? |
| 01:57.48 | peterS | insta: yes, still haven't had supper either (: but my kitchen is 1 meter away from my computer, so I'm around |
| 01:58.03 | insta | i think that would be more of "my computer is in the kitchen" :) |
| 01:58.34 | peterS | it's not, it's in the living room, but in the corner closest to the kitchen |
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| 01:59.00 | tuxvix | Cooner750, here I know this howto for ubuntu, but it might help you out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91052 |
| 01:59.21 | tuxvix | Cooner750, These are all steps to follow in order to have a nice ftp server with an easy gui. |
| 01:59.58 | insta | Well, I'll do what I can about man-paging and asking you. Last we left off, you were telling me that mountd needs to be visible to the world. does it listen on a TCP port as well? |
| 02:00.27 | peterS | insta: log into the server and type 'rpcinfo -p' to see it. it lives on both TCP and UDP ports, but I think most apps use UDP |
| 02:00.36 | Cooner750 | I installed vsftpd and the config file seems easy enough. However, I replace YES with NO if I want that option turned off? |
| 02:01.01 | peterS | YES |
| 02:01.03 | tuxvix | Cooner750, so did that howto help? |
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| 02:02.32 | insta | peterS: there are several applications listed ... "portmapper", "nfs", "nlockmgr", "mountd", and "status" ... each has both UDP and TCP ports listed next to it |
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| 02:03.12 | peterS | insta: right, and different protocol versions supported. a given client only needs one protocol version and either UDP or TCP to be available. but you'd have to figure out which it prefers. |
| 02:03.46 | Hoxzer | how do I star using ntp server |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 02:04.15 | SeanTater | Hoxzer: KDE has an option for it in the set time/date stuff |
| 02:04.52 | chikky | What's the "ifconfig" in debian? To check my ip. |
| 02:05.00 | Hoxzer | SeanTater: I use fluxbox |
| 02:05.01 | dvs | ifconfig? |
| 02:05.15 | chikky | dvs: what shows my ip? |
| 02:05.19 | SeanTater | Hoxzer: never even seen a screenshot of it, sorry |
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| 02:05.39 | abrotman | chikky: yes |
| 02:05.41 | Coweater | chikky: you have to specify the path if you want to run it as a user (or change your PATH variable), /sbin/ifconfig |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | if it has an IP |
| 02:05.43 | nosklo | chikky, ifconfig shows your current ip for all interfaces |
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| 02:05.55 | nosklo | chikky, together with a lot of other info |
| 02:06.06 | insta | peterS: is fixing ports and versions likely to fix anything? |
| 02:06.08 | chikky | Coweater: ok. thanks :P |
| 02:06.19 | tuxvix | does any one in here have an old slim desktop dell laying around? |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | 12 of them |
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| 02:06.41 | peterS | insta: the real point is that none of those port numbers are guaranteed. they're good _right now_ but if you restart the nfs server they might change. that's why we have a portmapper, so that clients can look up what ports to use |
| 02:06.59 | udos | wow |
| 02:07.03 | tuxvix | abrotman, are you for real |
| 02:07.04 | udos | for what it is worth |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | tuxvix: no .. but if you tell me your real question .. i might help :) |
| 02:07.30 | udos | the ext2ifs 1.1 is SO much better than the old one I was using |
| 02:07.38 | tuxvix | abrotman, I need a slim dell pc ? |
| 02:07.45 | nosklo | you can actually apt-get install abrotman and ask offline :P |
| 02:07.47 | abrotman | tuxvix: you need a pc ? |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | not funny! |
| 02:07.55 | tuxvix | for a mini-server |
| 02:08.04 | tuxvix | :) |
| 02:08.12 | nosklo | sorry, meant to be funny |
| 02:08.21 | insta | peterS: so what's it mean on the client side when it says RPC timed out? |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | tuxvix: so .. you're asking for a hardware donation ? |
| 02:08.32 | peterS | insta: if you're firewalling the server, that's probably the cause, yes |
| 02:08.32 | tuxvix | abrotman, yeah =) |
| 02:08.33 | insta | that portmap didn't know what was up, or that the client couldn't talk to portmap, or what? |
| 02:08.44 | tuxvix | abrotman, I already have a main-desktop http://www.wirelink.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=65 |
| 02:08.57 | abrotman | tuxvix: you should ask nvz how he gets all his free hardware .. or check craig's list |
| 02:09.15 | abrotman | tuxvix: ok .. if you have two 19 |
| 02:09.23 | peterS | insta: the real question is, given the quite weak security model of NFS, why would you bother to firewall off an NFS server? |
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| 02:09.31 | tuxvix | no, 20" ViewSonic Widescreen |
| 02:09.34 | abrotman | tuxvix: ok ..you have two 19" lcds .. you're not getting a donation from me |
| 02:09.40 | abrotman | right .. more expensive |
| 02:09.41 | tuxvix | :) |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | get your own hardware donation :) |
| 02:10.00 | tuxvix | I was just asking if some one does not need a old dell |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | dells just turn into paperweights |
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| 02:10.19 | tuxvix | I am trying to build mini-server OpenBSD/Debian |
| 02:10.21 | BHSPitMonkey | anyone given NASA's Maestro a try from linux |
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| 02:10.27 | tuxvix | :)) |
| 02:11.37 | tuxvix | ok, later everyone thank you for your help with debain. |
| 02:11.56 | Illarane | I'm trying to get the sound working on a Packard Bell 8550 (Intel 82801 ICH6 thing) under etch through ALSA, but whilst everything appears to be set up correctly, it's completely silent. Any ideas? |
| 02:12.21 | chief | please, a program for delte de HD |
| 02:12.24 | dvs | Illarane: using alsaconf? |
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| 02:12.36 | abrotman | chief: dban.sf.net ... if i'm understanding you correctly |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | chief: delete the HD ? |
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| 02:13.00 | chief | speak spanish ? |
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| 02:13.29 | Illarane | dvs: No, manual. |
| 02:14.04 | dvs | Illarane: I'd use alsaconf first |
| 02:14.23 | Illarane | I think Debian did when I first installed it. |
| 02:14.32 | dvs | Illarane: nope |
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| 02:14.35 | Illarane | It appears to have auto-detected everything correctly. |
| 02:14.38 | Illarane | At leasy. |
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| 02:15.46 | Cooner750 | how do I add users to vsftpd |
| 02:15.46 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 02:16.01 | Illarane | dvs: Appears to have not done anything. |
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| 02:16.38 | dvs | Illarane: what did it print? |
| 02:16.45 | peterS | Cooner750: you just use 'adduser' and add users to your normal system |
| 02:17.02 | thomasb | hi Any apt repository of xorg-x11 packages for Sarge ? |
| 02:17.14 | Illarane | It's trying to modify the non-existant /etc/modules.d/alsa-conf file. |
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| 02:17.26 | peterS | there isn't a separate concept in vsftpd of users that aren't part of the OS as a whole |
| 02:17.27 | Illarane | er, /sound, even |
| 02:17.36 | inst1 | note to self: don't change firewall rules when on IRC. |
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| 02:17.41 | Cooner750 | peterS, can I use my current user? |
| 02:17.49 | Cooner750 | Actually |
| 02:17.59 | Cooner750 | How do I create a new user in the system and define it's 'home' folder? |
| 02:18.04 | peterS | adduser |
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| 02:18.21 | Cooner750 | command not found |
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| 02:18.36 | Cooner750 | nvm |
| 02:18.41 | peterS | oh, you don't have adduser installed? it's a debian package, you can 'aptitude install adduser'. I thought it was installed on all debian systems by default |
| 02:18.43 | nosklo | !es > chief |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | !tell Cooner750 about grounding |
| 02:19.13 | Jenkens | how do i go about getting ttf's into xorg? dpkg's howto relates to Xfree86.. and doesn't seem to work for me for XORG? |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | msftcorefonts or somnething like that |
| 02:19.34 | Jenkens | abrotman: alright, i've got that already.. |
| 02:19.46 | abrotman | fonts suck .. |
| 02:20.00 | waltz | they do? |
| 02:20.11 | peterS | fonts do suck. they're way too complex in unix, for historical reasons which are at the same time valid and stupid |
| 02:20.17 | waltz | that's not a good message to be putting into kids' heads |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | no .. fonts are just stupid :) |
| 02:20.42 | waltz | peterS: so use an 80x25 text-console |
| 02:20.44 | abrotman | has nothing to do with complexity .. they're just flat out stupid |
| 02:20.52 | waltz | :/ |
| 02:20.56 | magyar | does anyone know of a good motherboard for AMD CPU's without nvidia chipsets? |
| 02:20.56 | peterS | waltz: nah dude, I use an 80x50 text console |
| 02:21.01 | waltz | this is a low argument |
| 02:21.10 | peterS | seriously, I'm using one right now |
| 02:21.11 | waltz | peterS: so you don't use X? |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | magyar: #hardware |
| 02:21.57 | peterS | waltz: I also use X, when the mood strikes. I find the text console font much more readable, and thus more pleasant, but in X I can have several windows visible at once and that is good for productivity. so I oscillate between comfort and productivity, switching back and forth between console and X |
| 02:22.00 | waltz | that's fine |
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| 02:22.12 | Illarane | I'm trying to get the sound working on a Packard Bell 8550 (Intel 82801 ICH6 thing) under etch through ALSA, but whilst everything appears to be set up correctly, it's completely silent. alsaconf is also trying to edit the wrong files. Any ideas? |
| 02:22.16 | peterS | waltz: since I run irssi and mutt inside 'screen' sessions, I don't have to restart them when I switch back and forth between X and console |
| 02:22.18 | waltz | a few weeks ago I would have agreed with you -- that fonts suck |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | the usage of X has nothing to do with the fact that fonts suck :) |
| 02:22.22 | waltz | but I've seen the light |
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| 02:22.45 | waltz | well |
| 02:22.52 | Jenkens | alright, how bout this. how do i list the contents of a package i've installed? |
| 02:22.56 | waltz | how else would you represent characters, abrotman? |
| 02:22.59 | peterS | Jenkens: dpkg -L |
| 02:23.07 | peterS | waltz: jpegs |
| 02:23.08 | Jenkens | ahh |
| 02:23.13 | waltz | haha |
| 02:23.28 | waltz | oh, you were serious.. |
| 02:23.36 | peterS | all the world's a captcha |
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| 02:24.12 | Jenkens | so where is xorg getting the fonts setting from if it's not a fontpath in xorg.conf? |
| 02:24.13 | sanmarcos | what is is this abi thing I see in /boot? |
| 02:24.14 | OmnipotentEntity | Where was the KDE channel again? |
| 02:24.16 | Jenkens | for ttfs? |
| 02:24.30 | sanmarcos | abi-2.6.15 ? wtf? |
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| 02:24.39 | sanmarcos | OmnipotentEntity, #kde maybe? |
| 02:24.41 | peterS | no, I wasn't serious. I'm a big fan of font rendering technology, at heart. I just think VGA text mode is pleasanter than anything that has come after it, on my eyes. this isn't a very consistent viewpoint, I understand. |
| 02:24.51 | OmnipotentEntity | For debian I meant. |
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| 02:25.10 | abrotman | #debian-kde ? |
| 02:25.26 | OmnipotentEntity | Thanks abrotman |
| 02:25.26 | peterS | Jenkens: part of the complexity is that some applications don't look to the X server for fonts at all, they use their own (client-side) font rendering technologies, so xserver-xorg doesn't see the fonts at all, it only sees stuff being rendered |
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| 02:25.51 | peterS | Jenkens: the surprising thing is that this turns out _not_ to have any significant performance implications, so there's not too much reason not to do it |
| 02:26.29 | Jenkens | peterS: alright... well i guess i'm at a loss then, i seem to always recall adding a fontpath to the ttf fonts previously.. but i guess that's no big thing |
| 02:26.59 | peterS | Jenkens: well, you should do that too. it's just that some apps don't require it because they have their own font setup (the 'fontconfig' stuff). |
| 02:27.11 | Jenkens | ok.. |
| 02:27.24 | Jenkens | i guess i'm entirely lost now. it's been a while. blargh |
| 02:27.47 | Jenkens | if i add /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts to the fontpath is anything else required to let X know they exist? |
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| 02:27.53 | Cooner750 | Alright what is going on |
| 02:28.07 | Cooner750 | I am unable to connect, even though vsftpd is running |
| 02:28.38 | peterS | Jenkens: well, that directory has to have a 'fonts.dir' file in it, which is generated by mkfontdir or similar, and other miscellany like that. but I guess the 'msttcorefonts' package takes care of this part |
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| 02:29.06 | Jenkens | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.06 | Jenkens | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 69452 2006-08-01 14:09 fonts.cache-1 |
| 02:29.10 | Jenkens | that's it |
| 02:29.23 | Jenkens | but mkfontdir took care of it |
| 02:29.24 | Jenkens | :p |
| 02:29.52 | Jenkens | although all the fonts.dir has in it is a 0. |
| 02:29.52 | peterS | right, that _should_ be all you need then. |
| 02:29.57 | Cooner750 | Do I need to restart vsftpd after adding a user? |
| 02:30.01 | SirFunk | can someone help me understand something about nfs... if a share is exported on one computer, how do i get it read/writable by a user on another computer.. when i mount it as root, everything shows up owned by root on it (eventhough it isn't on the other computer) |
| 02:30.02 | Jenkens | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.02 | Jenkens | 0 |
| 02:30.05 | sanmarcos | any ideas on why sudo aptitude displays lines in as weird characters but as root, it displays lines fine? (in curses app) |
| 02:30.11 | peterS | ehh. I thought mkfontdir was aware of ttf fonts and would do the right thing |
| 02:30.19 | Jenkens | so i guess not eh |
| 02:30.55 | peterS | Jenkens: the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package is supposed to have scripts that take care of this stuff |
| 02:32.13 | Jenkens | hrmm |
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| 02:33.34 | Hoxzer | Has somebody here setup ntpd server? |
| 02:33.46 | Cooner750 | Anyone know what my problem with vsftpd could be? |
| 02:34.09 | magyar | ntpd=lots of bandwith |
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| 02:34.47 | peterS | magyar: really? it seems quite light to me |
| 02:34.51 | stoned | Cooner750, when you say can't connect, what do you mean, connection refused, not authenticating? what |
| 02:34.54 | riwa | what's the debian version of "rc.conf"? |
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| 02:35.06 | Hoxzer | magyar: :/ ... |
| 02:35.08 | Cooner750 | stoned: "A connection to the server could not be established." |
| 02:35.14 | peterS | Hoxzer: not much to it, just install the 'ntp-simple' package, answer a few questions, then edit /etc/ntp.conf a bit |
| 02:35.21 | stoned | Cooner750, then vsftpd is not running |
| 02:35.27 | Hoxzer | peterS: I did :/ |
| 02:35.39 | Hoxzer | I added server locatntpd server |
| 02:35.42 | Jenkens | it's absurd, fonts shouldn't be this difficult. like abrotman was sayin |
| 02:35.47 | magyar | peterS: over dsl? |
| 02:36.01 | Hoxzer | and removed the orginal one |
| 02:36.23 | peterS | magyar: I don't notice the ntp traffic on my DSL line. I don't act as an anonymous public server, of course, just a client to pool.ntp.org and a server to my local network |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | Jenkens: no .. i think fonts are useless .. if they're hard i don't care .. i use whatever comes on the system .. and don't change fonts |
| 02:36.52 | Jenkens | ah |
| 02:37.04 | stoned | Cooner750, edit /etc/vsftpd and make sure its listening and conf is correct, then /etc/init.d/vsftpd start and then telnet localhost 21 |
| 02:37.05 | magyar | peterS: oops, i mixed up, nntp |
| 02:37.08 | magyar | sorry |
| 02:37.37 | peterS | indeed, nntp uses a _bit_ more bandwidth than ntp (: |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | just a smidgen |
| 02:38.05 | magyar | -_- |
| 02:38.10 | stoned | blizzunt |
| 02:38.11 | abchirk | !roll |
| 02:38.12 | dpkg | abchirk rolled: 5 |
| 02:38.14 | Jenkens | whoops i tweaked out xfce4 |
| 02:38.15 | Jenkens | haha |
| 02:38.29 | stoned | tweaked? drugs are bad mmkay |
| 02:38.40 | Jenkens | yeah they are. mkay |
| 02:38.49 | peterS | stoned says drugs are bad, kids |
| 02:39.12 | enouf | Jenkens: do you use KDE or Gnome ? |
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| 02:39.17 | stoned | of course, weed is umm. just really strong tobacco |
| 02:39.22 | Jenkens | enouf: neither |
| 02:39.33 | enouf | Jenkens: ok then |
| 02:39.37 | Jenkens | why do you ask |
| 02:39.47 | enouf | Jenkens: Installing fonts ;-) |
| 02:40.12 | stoned | apt-get college-tuition |
| 02:40.15 | waltz | why am I getting a Segmentation Fault when I am moving inbetween nodes in the stand-alone Info reader? |
| 02:40.17 | stew | peterS: for me i find that ntp uses much more bandwidth than nntp |
| 02:40.19 | stoned | oh who am I kiddin |
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| 02:40.38 | peterS | stoned: yeah you need 'source' in there. apt-get source college-tuition |
| 02:41.01 | stoned | yeah, first I need to build dep college-tuition |
| 02:41.02 | stew | stoned: you'll need non-free however |
| 02:41.16 | stoned | hell with this job I won't be qualified for financial aid anymore |
| 02:41.19 | peterS | stew: hehe |
| 02:41.21 | stoned | sucks |
| 02:41.27 | stoned | lol, true true |
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| 02:41.45 | Cooner750_ | When I attempt to start vsftpd I get "Starting FTP server: vsftpd/etc/init.d/vsftpd: line 22: start-stop-daemon: command not found" |
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| 02:42.03 | peterS | Cooner750_: you aren't, by any chance, trying to do this as a non-root user? |
| 02:42.50 | peterS | /sbin/start-stop-daemon should _always_ exist, but /sbin is not normally in your path when you aren't root |
| 02:42.57 | Cooner750_ | Ok I did it as root and it's running. Now what? |
| 02:43.06 | peterS | now you have an ftp server |
| 02:43.18 | stew | yay? |
| 02:43.20 | Cooner750_ | i hope it will work.. |
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| 02:44.10 | Jenkens | hmmm |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | does he keep rebooting to windows to use IRC? |
| 02:44.34 | peterS | abrotman: heh, who knows |
| 02:45.31 | Cooner750 | Now I get "The login request was denied" |
| 02:46.10 | stoned | Cooner750, have you enabled local users to be able to log in? |
| 02:46.22 | Hoxzer | is there any script in debian that I can use to adjust clock time? |
| 02:46.30 | Cooner750 | yes, but I am trying to connect from another computer on the network |
| 02:46.31 | stoned | date |
| 02:47.02 | stoned | Cooner750, that means local user login/pass will work even remotely. |
| 02:47.10 | peterS | Cooner750: one thing to check is /etc/pam.d/vsftpd, but it might not make too much sense to you unless you're familiar with PAM in general |
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| 02:47.53 | stoned | Cooner750, its in the conf. I'm not too sure about this, but you can have either anonymous logins enabled, or user account logins, and I think with some plugins you can have virtual ftp users too |
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| 02:50.10 | insta | peterS: do you know iptables rules well? If so, here's the router script I use: http://pastebin.ca/111009 |
| 02:50.16 | waltz | how do I show menubar? |
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| 02:50.27 | peterS | insta: I don't know iptables well at all, sorry |
| 02:50.36 | Cooner750 | got it |
| 02:50.44 | Cooner750 | it did not save my local user setting |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | insta: ask #iptables .. you might have to wait a while |
| 02:51.45 | waltz | how do I show menubar after doing a full screen? |
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| 02:51.49 | cam | I'm thinking of running a svn server on my debian. Under which user/group it should run ? |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | insta: or check netfilter.org or lartc.org |
| 02:52.04 | peterS | cam: oooh, good question. the correct answer is probably to create your own user + group for it |
| 02:52.27 | waltz | peterS: how do I show the menubar from full screen? |
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| 02:52.41 | waltz | for example, in FreeBSD it's ALT+F3 |
| 02:52.46 | peterS | cam: which is what I intend to do whenever I get around to packaging it with explicit support for starting the server (inetd stuff, an init script) |
| 02:53.04 | peterS | waltz: what menubar would that be? I don't know of any text-mode menu bar for debian |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | whoops .. i was supposed to be making that silly package today |
| 02:53.16 | waltz | for irssi |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | i didn't know you could make it go away |
| 02:53.52 | waltz | abrotman: yes, full screen |
| 02:53.54 | cam | peterS, hmm I see ... do i have to set the shell to /dev/null for this new user/group or a /bin/sh going to the reps directory ? |
| 02:54.22 | peterS | cam: are you running this as a standalone daemon or from inetd.conf? if the latter, the shell doesn't matter at all |
| 02:54.27 | waltz | well? :/ |
| 02:54.57 | cam | peterS, I'm running it at a daemon |
| 02:55.05 | minerale | how can I count then number of lines by piping ? |
| 02:55.09 | cam | s/at/as |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | minerale: wc -l |
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| 02:58.22 | opnsrc | I have a logitech webcam. How do I view it? |
| 02:58.30 | opnsrc | it's a USB |
| 02:58.38 | abrotman | joke .. so easy .. can't do it |
| 02:59.22 | minerale | any way I can run netstat and make the fields 'wider' so I can see the entire host? |
| 02:59.43 | peterS | minerale: simple workaround is to use -n (: |
| 02:59.44 | k-google | minerale: what are you running now? |
| 03:00.06 | k-google | minerale: ... and what peterS said. |
| 03:00.30 | waltz | opnsrc: are you for real? |
| 03:00.36 | opnsrc | yeah |
| 03:00.43 | opnsrc | How do I get it to work, what app do I need? |
| 03:01.05 | opnsrc | It's a logitech USB webcam. I plugged it in. I installed webcam and when I run it it gives me an error |
| 03:01.08 | minerale | whois peters |
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| 03:01.18 | insta | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:01.24 | opnsrc | /dev/video0 no such file or directory |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | it's so much more discrete when you use the / |
| 03:02.46 | eze | Is it normal that "Scanning disks...", while starting up the partitioner in the early netinst setup, has now halted for around 4 minuttes on 38% .. Any log i can read to check to see whats going on? |
| 03:03.23 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f3 ? |
| 03:03.29 | waltz | eze: ooh, I think I ran into a similar incident a while ago |
| 03:03.35 | waltz | I rebooted the system and majorly fucked up the hard disk |
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| 03:04.16 | waltz | luckily Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition saved me |
| 03:04.29 | opnsrc | does anyone know how I can view my logitech camera? |
| 03:04.45 | abrotman | opnsrc: find the driver for it |
| 03:04.48 | streuner | opnsrc: webcam? |
| 03:04.48 | eze | waltz: what you're trying to say then, is not to reboot :) |
| 03:05.07 | opnsrc | Logitech |
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| 03:05.13 | opnsrc | I think it's a webcam, not sur |
| 03:05.17 | opnsrc | But it's a USB |
| 03:05.23 | abrotman | lsusb ? |
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| 03:05.30 | streuner | that's say nothing |
| 03:05.31 | opnsrc | I mean what's an app that would work? |
| 03:05.51 | streuner | as abrotman told you, you need a driver |
| 03:06.06 | abrotman | I CAN'T DRIVE ... 55!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:06.18 | streuner | hehe |
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| 03:06.58 | waltz | eze: that would probably be the smart thing ;p |
| 03:07.01 | waltz | opnsrc is a perfect example of someone who should NOT be using Debian |
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| 03:07.07 | waltz | instead Windows XP |
| 03:07.15 | opnsrc | I think I have the drivers installed |
| 03:07.23 | waltz | you *think*? |
| 03:07.25 | opnsrc | but what's an application that would work |
| 03:07.30 | peterS | at least opnsrc is using opn. |
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| 03:07.37 | abrotman | opnsrc: apt-cache search webcam |
| 03:07.51 | peterS | the whole word 'webcam' is just so wrong |
| 03:08.01 | peterS | as though they're good for nothing except web servers |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | peterS: better than "loocam" |
| 03:08.08 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 03:08.21 | peterS | yes, possibly better than loocam. |
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| 03:08.47 | streuner | !congratulate Maulkin |
| 03:08.47 | dpkg | Woohoo Maulkin, you did it! |
| 03:08.48 | opnsrc | I installed all the logitech drivers onto it |
| 03:09.00 | opnsrc | uhm... loocam doesn't pop up |
| 03:09.05 | opnsrc | I know how to use apt-cache search |
| 03:09.07 | grendelson_ | Where can I reda abou thte use of /media/cdrom in debian (running testing) I fubarred it up a while ago getting a dvd burner working under 2.6 and now I'm not sure what my links should be... I have /media/cdrom /media /cdrom1 and cdrom2 cdrom is a symlinnk to cdrom0? Is this correct or is the cdrom symlink dynamic in some way? Oh I run gnome as welll.... |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | opnsrc: apt-cache search webcam |
| 03:09.28 | opnsrc | and i already installed webcam but it gave that error I told you about |
| 03:09.57 | streuner | opnsrc: try camstream |
| 03:09.57 | opnsrc | /dev/video0 no such driver or file |
| 03:10.04 | streuner | !info camstream |
| 03:10.07 | dpkg | camstream: (Collection of tools for webcams and other video-devices), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.26.3-8 (sid), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 516 kB |
| 03:10.07 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 03:10.19 | Jenkens | gmmmmm |
| 03:10.28 | waltz | what? the cameras? |
| 03:10.28 | waltz | I want to get the kind of cameras they use in high-security buildings; those are awesome :) |
| 03:11.04 | enouf | grendelsen_: you have udev ? |
| 03:11.18 | enouf | grendelson_:<-- whoops -- you have udev ? |
| 03:11.43 | grendelson_ | enouf : not entirely sure but I think so weren't we looking at some usb udev stuff theother night (I think you |
| 03:11.58 | grendelson_ | showed me a way to pull up some info the other night |
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| 03:12.09 | enouf | grendelson_: perhaps -- i know we spoke -- about what I can't recall ;) |
| 03:12.11 | cam | how can I launch a binary using another user ? (root launching foo bin but I want to run it as nobody) |
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| 03:12.40 | grendelson | ooops logged in 2x! |
| 03:12.43 | grendelson | better :-) |
| 03:13.00 | peterS | twice the grendelson, twice the fun |
| 03:13.11 | grendelson | enouf. I recall we figured out a fast way to see just the info I was looking for regarding - OH YEAH the fax modem! |
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| 03:13.14 | peterS | cam: su nobody -c 'foo' |
| 03:13.17 | grendelson | Great having a modem! |
| 03:13.28 | grendelson | I faxed some forms into work lickety split. |
| 03:13.49 | cam | peterS, tx |
| 03:14.18 | grendelson | enouf: I recall you asking me if I had udev then because the funky output of the device - which we parsed with some greps... |
| 03:14.27 | brlancer | can anyone point me to a consolidated WiFi page that lists all of the major products and what (general) hardware is supported by each project? |
| 03:14.30 | enouf | grendelson_: Cool -- nowe what does "dpkg -l udev" tell you |
| 03:14.36 | grendelson | I don't even recall the commands we were using (I have such a bad memory:-) |
| 03:14.56 | enouf | grendelson_: hehehe.. me too |
| 03:15.06 | grendelson | ii udev 0.093-1 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 03:15.21 | enouf | grendelson_: ahh installed |
| 03:15.53 | enouf | grendelson_: Ok -- do you want the /etc/fstab entries for optical driuves? |
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| 03:15.58 | enouf | drives* |
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| 03:16.33 | p3rti | my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg dont touch the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.. anybody know why? |
| 03:16.50 | grendelson | enouf : I have /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 iso9660 ro,user,noauto,users,exec 0 0 |
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| 03:17.16 | waltz | so is anyone getting on that CD/DVD drive issue? |
| 03:17.18 | waltz | I see there's a similar problem in Ubuntu (and it would only make sense, as Ubuntu is built on Debian): http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-34602.html |
| 03:17.22 | grendelson | and /dev/hdd points to /media/cdrom But /media/cdrom is a ln-s to /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:17.35 | enouf | grendelson_: here's mine : /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:17.41 | enouf | /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 03:18.32 | grendelson | enouf: Do you have a /media/cdrom link at all? (just wondering how debian figures out 'eject cdrom' from console? |
| 03:19.16 | enouf | grendelson_: yep :: /media$ 'ls -al' lists this : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2006-04-30 23:22 cdrom -> cdrom0 |
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| 03:19.52 | grendelson | enouf: for example when I type 'eject cdrom1' My USB cdrom pops open - it mounts as /dev/scd0 ? |
| 03:19.58 | grendelson | I'm all wigged out |
| 03:20.13 | enouf | grendelson_: oh well -- I think cdparanoia and others have an 'eject' function -- are you using an app? |
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| 03:20.53 | enouf | grendelson_: AFAIK, /hdc and /hdd are not you External usb cdrom drives |
| 03:21.11 | grendelson | enouf: I was just trying to figure out what /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd SHOULD be pointed to and if /media/cdrom is Supposed to be a symlink to /media/cdrom0 - recall I fubered these up pretty good some time back... |
| 03:21.25 | enouf | grendelson_: perhaps you can pastebin your entire /etc/fstab |
| 03:21.40 | grendelson | enouf - no hdc and hdd are a dvd burner and dvd player respectively |
| 03:22.05 | grendelson | enouf: the external cdrom burner (USB mounts as SCSI |
| 03:22.20 | grendelson | eject cdrom |
| 03:22.31 | pstickne | Does anyone know why my built 2.6 kernel gives me only 10% the buffered hdparam -t numbers that the stock 2.4 kernel does? I get no errors on boot and it's identified as UDMA5. |
| 03:22.51 | pstickne | All IDE modules without the "you should say N" are enabled |
| 03:22.56 | enouf | grendelson_: Ok -- so where's the entry in /etc/fstab for it ? Also (besides pastebin) -- any particular app you're using ? |
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| 03:23.41 | grendelson | enouf: No just general trouble trying to mount cdroms - trying to figure out if I goofed up an fstab setting or if I have the /media/cdrom* links hosed... |
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| 03:23.53 | dn4 | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/184295834.html <-- ubber funny title |
| 03:24.05 | bucky | mount /cdrom |
| 03:24.15 | bucky | are you a member of the cdrom group? |
| 03:24.21 | enouf | grendelson_: do forgive me if I don't get your specifics 100% -- I'm quite tired and a bit drunk (but only a tad bit ;-)) |
| 03:24.41 | grendelson | enouf: Fine fine - we should all do admin assistance drunk! ;-P |
| 03:24.55 | enouf | grendelson_: !pastebin per favore |
| 03:24.56 | pstickne | dn4, strange place for a rant |
| 03:25.17 | pstickne | dn4, he must not be twenty-something enough to use a blog ;) |
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| 03:26.50 | enouf | grendelson_: Also note: "/media$ ls -al" also contains 2 dir entries for cdrom (cdrom0 and cdrom1) on mine : drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-04-30 23:22 cdrom0 |
| 03:26.50 | enouf | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-04-30 23:22 cdrom1 |
| 03:27.31 | enouf | grendelson_: These are both Internal opticals (hdb, and hdd respectively) |
| 03:28.07 | grendelson | enouf: How are you typing that cmd ? |
| 03:28.38 | enouf | grendelson_: which one? |
| 03:28.57 | grendelson | enouf, /media$ la -la |
| 03:29.04 | enouf | grendelson_: I "cd" into /media then ls -al |
| 03:29.15 | grendelson | oopos never mind ;-( |
| 03:29.27 | grendelson | I was being goofy - too much radiation form the monitor! |
| 03:29.34 | dn4 | pstickne, just strange as all things |
| 03:29.51 | enouf | grendelson_: likely my fault in not being clear ;-) -- no prob |
| 03:30.32 | grendelson | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2005-04-19 18:23 cdrom -> cdrom0 |
| 03:30.39 | grendelson | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-04-19 18:23 cdrom0 |
| 03:30.46 | grendelson | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 2005-04-19 18:23 cdrom1 |
| 03:30.54 | grendelson | That looks right , No? |
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| 03:31.06 | enouf | grendelson_: Si ;-) |
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| 03:31.58 | enouf | grendelson_: but where's the /etc/fstab entry for the USB drive ? (I'm not entirely sure how 'udev' works yet) -- just fumbling through it all myself |
| 03:32.47 | grendelson | enouf I thought I had the pastebin bookmarked. psatebin.debian.org or something? |
| 03:33.13 | enouf | grendelson_: I think "bucky" may be trying to help you as well -- and maybe is less ignorant thatn I about his matter |
| 03:33.38 | grendelson | bucky, My appologies I was trying to read too many diff things! |
| 03:33.44 | enouf | this* |
| 03:33.56 | enouf | grendelson_: me too ;-) |
| 03:34.08 | grendelson | I for one am happy to be ignoramt about HIS matter no matter who's matter it is ! |
| 03:34.23 | grendelson | OK way too long staring at this screen |
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| 03:34.40 | enouf | grendelson_: now cut that out... and answer bucky ;-) |
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| 03:35.10 | grendelson | bucky, The mount was failing as root - Oh yeah I did try to mount as user too from gnome browser! |
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| 03:35.37 | grendelson | dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev staff games users scanner lpadmin < - those are my normal user groups! |
| 03:35.53 | bucky | grendelson: is it a cd? iso9660 |
| 03:35.58 | grendelson | bucky, Yes |
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| 03:36.48 | bucky | grendelson: does ls -l /cdrom show /cdrom -> media/cdrom |
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| 03:37.33 | grendelson | Now when I type eject cdrom1 My external usb cdrom pops open (dev/sdc0) when I type eject cdrom, //dev/hdd pops open (it's in fstab as /media/cdrom) but eject cdrom0 gives an error ! |
| 03:37.54 | grendelson | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2005-04-19 18:23 /cdrom -> media/cdrom |
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| 03:38.30 | grendelson | I have a /dev/hdc that is pointed to /media/cdrom1 in fstab.... |
| 03:38.51 | enouf | bucky: whilst I was pouring myself another bicardi -- I recalled that 'udev' installation specifically asks that one remove and --purge "hotplug" -- is that correct? and could it be an issue for grendelson_? |
| 03:39.01 | bucky | is /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 03:39.31 | bucky | and /dev/sdc0 /media/cdrom1 in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:39.51 | grendelson | bucky, ooops no I actually have /,edia/cdrom - oops that's probably fubar! |
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| 03:40.19 | grendelson | bucky, /dev/scd0 isn't even in fstab! |
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| 03:41.14 | bucky | grendelson: you can mount it manually - mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdc0 /mnt/blah |
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| 03:41.57 | grendelson | Oh wait heres a note I found - User must be a member of group plugdev! |
| 03:42.13 | grendelson | Oh never mind - Iam ! |
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| 03:43.12 | section31 | how can i check the version of debian i'm running from the cmd line |
| 03:43.34 | grendelson | enouf: Are u thinking of devfs? |
| 03:43.58 | streuner | !version |
| 03:43.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 03:43.59 | grendelson | wasnt udev a replcae for that? Some docs I read said to have udev and Hplug together to get gnome to mount auto when drive inserted! |
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| 03:44.38 | bucky | ah.. good call |
| 03:44.54 | pstickne | Anyone compile 2.6 with propper support for a centrio-based lappys IDE? |
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| 03:45.15 | pstickne | Using ATA_PIIX it won't let me set the DMA on my device so it's soo slow |
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| 03:45.47 | justin420 | Hi all. Anybody know if debian sarge will install ok running on Windows XP Home using Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 using a fixed virtual hard drive? I tried installing PHLAK using its installer, and it says the whole virtual partition is being used up, no free space, and was wondering if debian would not produce the same issue? |
| 03:46.03 | enouf | section31: "uname -r" but "cat /etc/debian_version" should give you info -- but it may not be current |
| 03:46.10 | section31 | enouf, thanks |
| 03:46.30 | pstickne | Justin, maybe something is already in the virtual partition? |
| 03:46.49 | enouf | grendelson_: prolly -- but now I forget if udev or hal asked that hotplug be purged :-( |
| 03:46.50 | pstickne | Justin, have an access to view what it thinks the partition tables are? (No clue, maybe more info) |
| 03:46.58 | enouf | section31: welcome ;-) |
| 03:48.09 | grendelson | One more before I retire - I have an external USB cdrom/burner. It loads according to /var/log/messages - when I plug it in , but lsusb shows nothign! |
| 03:48.11 | enouf | section31: ahh...I see streuner's useful input -- thanks streuner |
| 03:48.17 | grendelson | Any advice - is this normal? |
| 03:48.50 | peterS | grendelson: does lsusb show your other USB devices? |
| 03:48.58 | justin420 | pstickne: Just created it using microsux wizard, and I am still new to this virtual machine stuff, if it wasnt for my wireless linksys wpc54gx version 2 card, i would be using linux instead of *cough* a piece of $hit os. :) |
| 03:49.28 | grendelson | peterS, Yes it shows a USB hub and a usb printer, but no t the cdrom - but the messagres shows the cdrom getting loaded... |
| 03:49.58 | peterS | grendelson: odd. I don't know why this is. but I _have_ seen lsusb fail to list a device sometimes. I never could pinpoint why. |
| 03:50.21 | pstickne | Justin, I've only played with VMWare myself, but if the emulation is complete (vmware provided emulation via a hardware abscration layer) and you get that error, it sounds like said virtual partition isn't empty; the installer should allow you to escape into a tool such as cfdisk though. |
| 03:50.22 | grendelson | peterS, Oh OK - I can type eject cdrom1 to get the usb cdrom to pop open but still nada in lsusb :-) weird... |
| 03:50.38 | grendelson | Everything optical related has gine weird on me since 2.6 sheesh |
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| 03:50.58 | grendelson | (I know I know go back to 2.4 and scsi emulation bleah :-P |
| 03:51.04 | pstickne | justin420, it will in the debian installer anyway, don't know about whatever you were trying before :) |
| 03:51.06 | yuheng108 | how do you use xfontsel to select a certain font? |
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| 03:51.52 | peterS | yuheng108: you narrow down the font by picking options from the individual categories until it's a font you want, then you hit the 'select' button, then you can paste with middle-mouse-button into your config file |
| 03:52.11 | peterS | an odd interface but it does work, after a fashion |
| 03:52.36 | yuheng108 | PeriBrown, where do I start that interface? |
| 03:52.42 | justin420 | any opinions trying to get the wireless pcmcia linksys wpc54gx version 2 working other than using ndiswrapper? I have wpa enabled on my ap, and really dont want to take that off. Seriously, that is the only thing that is stopping me from using linux. :( |
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| 03:53.37 | grendelson | justin420, WPA won't work under ndiswrapper? I had it working just fine with a belking usb 802.11g 54 |
| 03:53.45 | streuner | justin420: how about to sell it and buy another one which is supported? |
| 03:53.55 | grendelson | streuner, Well there is that... |
| 03:54.09 | justin420 | streuner: thats what i was thinking i should do... :( |
| 03:54.36 | enouf | grendelson_: what does "dpkg -l hotplug" say ? |
| 03:54.38 | grendelson | Justin, I used ndiswrapper - the driver for belking 54G and used the wireless tools to set WPA passphrase _WPA with PSK |
| 03:54.50 | justin420 | grendelson: yup, even had wpa_supplicant installed. could even see the ap using iwconfig the the like... |
| 03:55.04 | grendelson | rc hotplug 0.0.20040329-25 Linux Hotplug Scripts |
| 03:55.27 | enouf | grendelson: <<wha happened || -- what does "dpkg -l hotplug" say ? |
| 03:55.45 | grendelson | enouf : that's it... |
| 03:56.15 | enouf | grendelson: mine shows "pn" instead of rc (whatever that means) |
| 03:56.28 | justin420 | grendelson: whats weird is that my wireless linksys card works using a live cd of PHLAK in windows xp home, using virtual pc 2004. I am still connected to my net on my windows box, and also connected in my linux box. |
| 03:57.17 | grendelson | justin420, That just hurts my head somehow.... |
| 03:58.12 | justin420 | maybe its the whole windows thing, cause thats what it is for me, but anyways. thanks for the help all. |
| 03:58.17 | pstickne | it sounds kind of cool :) |
| 03:58.18 | enouf | grendelson: are you using Sid/unstable ?? if so 'apt-get --purge remove hotplug' (I can't recall if --purge should come before remove :-( ) |
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| 03:58.55 | grendelson | enouf: at one poitn I grabbed sid sources to start pinning but testing is default in sources |
| 03:59.14 | grendelson | SO hotplug shoudl bot be isntalled anymore huh? |
| 03:59.20 | grendelson | Even in testing? |
| 03:59.29 | peterS | grendelson: if you're using fairly recent udev, it wants to _be_ your hotplug. |
| 03:59.56 | peterS | and yes, this is true in both unstable and testing |
| 04:00.00 | grendelson | peterS, Oh that actually sounded frightening! Thou shalt have no other hotplug but me! |
| 04:00.26 | peterS | grendelson: you're now forced to choose. hotplug or udev. you can't have both. I have neither. |
| 04:00.37 | enouf | grendelson: ahh...I tried that too at one point (just to upgrade an app) but quickly realized the futility in using "pinning" in "/apt.conf" and using /preferences files -- so I upgraded the whole "shebang" ..heheehe |
| 04:00.41 | grendelson | peterS, How do you do it man - |
| 04:01.12 | peterS | grendelson: I have enough experience to know what modules I need and what device files should be there, so I just load the appropriate modules when I need them. |
| 04:01.24 | grendelson | I have this awful feeling ill whack hotlug and all my audio and stuff is gonna fial next boot. I have added a buncj of hotlug blasklist etc... for my SB live... |
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| 04:01.50 | peterS | an automated system like udev might be nicer, but I've heard nothing but negativity about udev and how well it plays with the rest of the debian system, so I'm going to be a late adopter |
| 04:02.14 | peterS | put it this way: I'll consider installing udev no less than 6 months after the last complaint I hear about it hosing someone's system |
| 04:02.57 | enouf | grendelson_: IIRC, the main reason 'udev' was even adopoted in the first place was to conform to the FHS ... perhaps I heard wrong |
| 04:03.33 | pstickne | what about udev over a fully-functional dev? |
| 04:03.33 | grendelson | I am totally blitzed now - I realize that my sound was getting picked up by hotplug, but my usb cdrom must be getting installed by udev (/dev/scd |
| 04:03.45 | grendelson | Oh now my head does hurt... |
| 04:04.34 | grendelson | Package: udev Conflicts: hotplug |
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| 04:04.57 | enouf | grendelson_: mine hurts too , (if that's any consolation) -- I'd rather lurk at this point ;-) |
| 04:05.13 | grendelson | enouf, I wish mine hurt from bacardi! |
| 04:05.37 | enouf | grendelson_: That's my saving justification -- for now |
| 04:05.38 | grendelson | Ahh a drink sounds good - that's what Ineed whenI am making systme changes and it's 7 hours to work time :-) |
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| 04:06.02 | grendelson | OK hotplug purged - Now I will be terrified to reboot! |
| 04:06.24 | enouf | grendelson_: No fear youngun!!! |
| 04:06.39 | peterS | grendelson: the boot process itself doesn't depend on a hotplug mechanism, so _something_ will come up. it just may not boot into the same thing you have now. |
| 04:06.42 | section31 | i noticed debian by default runs portmap on startup as a daemon...do i need that? |
| 04:07.01 | peterS | section31: only if you run any facilities, such as fam or nfs, which use ONC RPC. |
| 04:07.08 | grendelson | peterS, It will boot into ...something else? (I just stepepd into an X-File!) |
| 04:07.26 | enouf | section31: kind of yes |
| 04:07.29 | peterS | grendelson: it could boot into ... the Twilight Zone |
| 04:07.52 | section31 | peterS, i don't run nfs...dont' know about fam i'll look into it |
| 04:08.13 | section31 | this guide recommends to mremove it http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge_p3 |
| 04:08.23 | peterS | section31: unfortunately it seems some "desktop" software relies on a famd running. doing this over ONC RPC was probably a mistake but what's done is done |
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| 04:08.39 | grendelson | peterS, I put up with wackysound from having hotplug load a sound card built in that I wanted it to ignore. I'll put up with a little mroe craziness I guess. Heck If I wanted everything to work I'd run (insert favorite troll starting distribution here :-) |
| 04:08.50 | peterS | grendelson: heh |
| 04:08.58 | thomasb | I messed up my Debian/Sarge installation trying to manually (dpkg -i) install x.org 6.9 packages from backports. Any simple clean way to return to original stable state ? |
| 04:10.33 | pstickne | thomasb, just continue to RC7 O.o #? |
| 04:11.17 | thomasb | pstickne there is no RC7 for Sarge. I really wanted to stay with sarge but needed X.org 6.9 or greater for fglrx drivers to be fully functional |
| 04:11.23 | mae | how do i dump the files that a deb is in charge of |
| 04:11.28 | mae | (list them rather) |
| 04:11.39 | thomasb | dpkg -L Debfile (mae) |
| 04:11.39 | dpkg | ii Debfile (mae) 2.8-2 thomasb's private stamp collection |
| 04:11.40 | grendelson | Darnit ! I knew it. My stupid sound doesnt work now... darn ... I thought I was manually loadig that - I knew hotplug tried to but I have it in /etc/module. Oh well now to figure out what's wrong... |
| 04:12.23 | peterS | grendelson: I'm afraid I can't really help you in your fight with udev. there's a _reason_ I still haven't installed it |
| 04:12.34 | peterS | I can cheer you on, though. I can do that much. |
| 04:12.40 | amphi | peterS: another static /dev diehard? ;) |
| 04:12.58 | peterS | amphi: as I keep saying, I'll _consider_ installing udev no sooner than 6 months after the last report I see about it hosing someone's system |
| 04:13.20 | peterS | amphi: you wanna know the funny part? I was an early adopter and advocate of devfs |
| 04:13.45 | amphi | peterS: I never went for that either ;) |
| 04:14.29 | peterS | When devfs went into the tree, the word was "at least it will make people look at the code". Well, it did. Veni, vidi, vomere. - kernel hacker Al Viro |
| 04:14.52 | grendelson | peterS, Get this - never anything wrong with my sound - I had moved the MP3 files. |
| 04:14.59 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:15.07 | peterS | grendelson: hahahaha. later, dude |
| 04:15.14 | enouf | darn luddites :-) |
| 04:15.47 | amphi | peterS: heh |
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| 04:16.51 | pstickne | peterS, what happened to devfs? |
| 04:16.58 | amphi | peterS: apropos 'veni, vidi, vomere', I saw a remark to the effect that reiserfsck was "more horror reanimator than consistency check' ;) |
| 04:16.59 | peterS | amphi: I note that although my latin dictionary doesn't list 'vomere', I know what he was trying to say |
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| 04:17.26 | amphi | peterS: yeah, I believe the 'vomitorium' is a Victorian invention |
| 04:17.42 | enouf | grendelson_: for sound check 'lsmod' to see if your snd card's modules are loaded |
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| 04:18.20 | grendelson | enouf: all good... |
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| 04:19.16 | Alphax | Hrm. If jigdo is stopped, and then restarted with the same .jigdo to download, will it automatically work out what I have and haven't downloaded already? or do I need to specify the .tmp files as being where it's saved stuff? |
| 04:19.21 | enouf | grendelson_: ok bud - out for now -- I'm r-e-a-l-l-y tired, gotta awake in a few hours |
| 04:19.36 | grendelson | caio |
| 04:19.40 | grendelson | caio |
| 04:19.47 | grendelson | ciao - is it so hard to type that? |
| 04:20.01 | enouf | grendelson: <<-- correction .. ok bud - out for now -- I'm r-e-a-l-l-y tired, gotta awake in a few hours |
| 04:20.10 | streuner | how about to make an alias for that? |
| 04:20.12 | enouf | Ciao bella |
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| 04:20.55 | thomasb | Any one know a clean way to upgrade just X11 (xfree86) to X11 (x.org any version) on debian/sarge without messing up the rest. |
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| 04:25.34 | peterS | pstickne: long long story. here goes. |
| 04:25.38 | peterS | Chapter 1, The Early Years. Inspired by such systems as FreeBSD and AIX, richard gooch wrote devfs in the era of Linux kernel 2.1.70 or so. some of us (including the Mandrake distribution) patched our kernels and used it back then, but there was lots of resistance to the idea in the kernel hacker community. |
| 04:25.48 | peterS | Chapter 2, Life in the Mainstream Kernel. Years later, around kernel 2.3.40, Linus finally merged devfs, amidst both rejoicing and gnashing of teeth. It fell into disrepair, Richard Gooch faded out of the kernel scene, and devfs advocates dwindled. people started agitating for a userspace hybrid solution such as one finds in AIX. |
| 04:25.58 | peterS | Chapter 3, Decline and Fall. One big feature developed in kernel 2.5 was the kernel object subsystem, which made such a userspace solution to devfs actually possible. kobjects were intended mainly for power management but they happen to support hotplug type of stuff pretty well. This also spawned the /sys filesystem. Greg Kroah-Hartman, who is interested in hotplug because of his USB driver work, wrote a system called ... |
| 04:26.05 | peterS | ... 'udev' to make use of this system and replace devfs. udev has been used increasingly widely in kernel 2.6 deployments. |
| 04:26.08 | peterS | Chapter 4, End of the Road. devfs was officially deprecated (and there was much rejoicing) around kernel 2.6.12. As of 2.6.17, you can no longer compile it in without hacking the makefiles. As of 2.6.18, I think it's supposed to disappear entirely. Moving away from devfs is thus a pretty important strategy if you intend to support your systems with newer kernels. |
| 04:26.23 | peterS | hmm. I should publish a book. |
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| 04:27.37 | Alphax | peterS, if you have sources, you could write a Wikipedia article on it; otherwise, go write a chapter on "linux history" or something at Wikibooks :) |
| 04:27.40 | peterS | pstickne! you missed my story! |
| 04:27.57 | amphi | peterS: chapter 4 was also attended by gnashing of teeth IIRC |
| 04:28.36 | Alphax | hooray! jigdo is smart! |
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| 04:28.51 | peterS | amphi: well, mainly by those who invested in it, including the debian-installer folk. but after a bit of transition pain, debian-installer uses udev now, and I don't know if any other comparably-complex projects still used devfs. |
| 04:29.15 | amphi | peterS: and many who used it |
| 04:29.49 | peterS | yeah, I suppose devfs still has users today. I stopped using it some years ago - a bit disenchanted by the whole idea |
| 04:30.27 | pstickne | peterS, :( |
| 04:30.34 | peterS | Alphax: no need for sources in a 'pedia article, I'll just insert "some have suggested" and "many believe" everywhere. (: |
| 04:30.37 | pstickne | peterS, but I did get DMA working :)) |
| 04:30.48 | peterS | pstickne: heh, cool. I'll paste you my story |
| 04:30.51 | Alphax | peterS, mailing list posts are citeable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devfs |
| 04:31.38 | Alphax | and yes, you DO need sources; that how we know that it's not complete crap. |
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| 04:32.43 | peterS | relax, I was just making fun of existing pedia content, where "some have suggested" and "many believe" are often used in startling confluence with lack of sources cited |
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| 04:33.17 | mha13 | how can i add package to debian tree ? |
| 04:34.01 | Alphax | !tell mha13 about packages |
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| 04:34.58 | Alphax | kick teh troll! |
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| 04:35.20 | peterS | we allow tr011s here so long as they don't actually tr011 |
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| 04:35.57 | Alphax | :) |
| 04:36.09 | mha13 | Alphaxi didn't ask the proper anser how can i add _NEW_ package to debian tree . |
| 04:36.21 | mha13 | *question |
| 04:36.40 | peterS | mha13: what do you mean - you mean how to contribute packages to the official debian distribution? |
| 04:36.51 | mha13 | yes |
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| 04:37.22 | peterS | mha13: you prepare source packages and advertise them asking for a package sponsor. lots of details linked from http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 04:37.51 | peterS | mha13: the process involves building packages, filing an ITP, and finding a sponsor. the "new maintainer's guide" covers a lot of details. |
| 04:38.03 | wronak | KWiFiManager is a humbug. hope the developer(s) concerned would do something about it. |
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| 04:39.58 | Illarane | I'm trying to get the sound working on a Packard Bell 8550 (Intel 82801 ICH6 thing) under etch through ALSA, but whilst everything appears to be set up correctly, it's completely silent. alsaconf doesn't help. Any ideas? |
| 04:40.13 | dad | anyone know of a virus scanner that can be integrated into my firewall? |
| 04:40.20 | neeto | I want to make a shortcut to sudo firefox, but it will never run... what is the correct syntax to run firefox as root for a shortcut? |
| 04:40.21 | mha13 | peterS:10q .. |
| 04:40.25 | peterS | Illarane: one common error is to forget to use a mixer app (like alsamixer) to un-mute the output channels and turn up the volume |
| 04:40.33 | Alphax | neeto, kdesu ? |
| 04:40.46 | neeto | kdesu? |
| 04:40.53 | Alphax | kdesu firefox-bin ? |
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| 04:41.01 | Illarane | peterS: Everything is unmuted except for the External Amplifier switch, which mutes everything. :D |
| 04:41.03 | neeto | And I also want to run it as a certain user |
| 04:41.18 | Alphax | ah. No idea, sorry. |
| 04:41.18 | Illarane | When unmuted, that is. |
| 04:41.38 | dad | neeto: root doesn't have permission to touch your desktop, kdesu fixes that |
| 04:41.48 | peterS | Illarane: so if you run 'lsmod', the snd_intel8x0 module is loaded? |
| 04:41.53 | neeto | ok |
| 04:42.11 | Illarane | Yup |
| 04:42.28 | neeto | So if I use kdesu, but I want to run firefox under a user's profile (not root's) how do I do that? |
| 04:42.53 | dad | ??? |
| 04:42.54 | neeto | Also, I am running gnome, do I need to be running kde for that command to work? |
| 04:43.10 | peterS | Illarane: that's usually all it takes - unless you also have some other sound output module loaded and that's getting the default output. does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' list one card, or more than one? |
| 04:43.15 | yuheng108 | how come xfontsel can't deter a certain font? |
| 04:43.23 | yuheng108 | detect |
| 04:43.41 | peterS | yuheng108: possibly that font is installed only for client-side use, not for the X server's use, so some apps can use it and others can't |
| 04:43.47 | neeto | What I mean is the exact same thing as sudo -e username firefox |
| 04:43.50 | peterS | xfontsel only sees server-side fonts |
| 04:44.06 | peterS | neeto: check out the 'sux' program |
| 04:44.12 | neeto | sux? |
| 04:44.16 | peterS | yes |
| 04:44.18 | neeto | What exactly is it? |
| 04:44.23 | peterS | apt-cache show sux |
| 04:44.24 | Illarane | peterS: Two, however one is a modem, and that also has the correct drivers set up. |
| 04:44.45 | peterS | Illarane: is your modem (I guess snd_intel8x0m) set as the default output device? if so, that'll explain it |
| 04:44.51 | Illarane | For all intents and purposes, it's set up perfectly, except it's not working. |
| 04:44.56 | yuheng108 | peterS, how do I install it for server's use? |
| 04:45.03 | Illarane | peterS: /no idea how to check. |
| 04:45.07 | peterS | yuheng108: same way you install any debian package |
| 04:45.34 | yuheng108 | I did that |
| 04:45.35 | peterS | Illarane: well, if you run something like alsamixer it will tell you which device it's mixing for |
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| 04:45.53 | yuheng108 | I use apt to install it, then how come it still can't be detected? |
| 04:46.11 | Illarane | peterS: Card: Intel ICH6 |
| 04:46.18 | Illarane | So I'm assuming not the modem. |
| 04:46.52 | peterS | Illarane: don't know if I can help you further - but you might try unloading the modem driver (modprobe -r snd_intel8x0m) to see if that makes a difference |
| 04:47.10 | Illarane | cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp does nothing, either. |
| 04:47.16 | peterS | I also wouldn't be too sure that "Intel ICH6" is not the modem. because the modem _is_ part of that same sound chip |
| 04:47.20 | Illarane | I never thought I'd want to hear that kind of noise. |
| 04:47.37 | Illarane | peterS: Yes, however it generally has "Modem" written after it in everything I've seen. |
| 04:47.41 | Illarane | or "m". |
| 04:48.15 | peterS | Illarane: as for /dev/dsp, that depends on having the 'snd_pcm_oss' module loaded. |
| 04:48.43 | Illarane | Which is. |
| 04:48.57 | peterS | Illarane: finally, speaking of oss: if the 'i810_audio' (non-ALSA) module is loaded, snd_intel8x0 won't be able to use the hardware. I am quite sure that is not your problem, but it's worth mentioning as a footnote. |
| 04:49.11 | pstickne | With soft modems isn't it just responsible for the base DAC/ADC? |
| 04:49.30 | peterS | however, you might try unloading all the snd_* modules and loading the i810_audio module, to see if _that_ works |
| 04:49.33 | Illarane | Nope, not loaded. |
| 04:50.41 | pstickne | I though OSS was deprecated? |
| 04:50.43 | pstickne | *though |
| 04:50.45 | pstickne | gah |
| 04:52.09 | peterS | pstickne: depends on whom you ask |
| 04:52.20 | peterS | Adrian Bunk would very much like for it to go away |
| 04:52.25 | dabreegster | pstickne: Doesn't mean you can't use it |
| 04:52.29 | pstickne | peterS, when I was building the kernel it said deprecated :( |
| 04:52.35 | pstickne | dabreegster, I can't, I din't build it in :) |
| 04:52.53 | sanmarcos | how do I see upgradable packages only in aptitude? |
| 04:53.03 | peterS | well, if you don't need it, don't cry. if you do need it because the alsa driver for your hardware still screws up, you need it. |
| 04:53.26 | pstickne | !alsa |
| 04:53.27 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
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| 04:53.53 | peterS | sanmarcos: run aptitude interactively, hit 'u' to force the equivalent of 'apt-get update', then hit [ when you're on the "Upgradable Packages" line |
| 04:54.01 | sanmarcos | peterS, what if there is no Upgradable packages line brother? |
| 04:54.12 | peterS | sanmarcos: then apparently you have no upgradable packages, brother |
| 04:54.26 | peterS | sanmarcos: this is not an unusual situation if you're running debian stable |
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| 04:55.15 | sanmarcos | peterS, thank you brother, the lodge appreciates your contribution to a fellow member's knowledge. |
| 04:55.23 | neeto | I have integrated sound and a sound card, I want to use the sound card, how do I make the default sound into the PCI card one? |
| 04:55.51 | peterS | neeto: the simple way is to go into your CMOS setup routine when you boot the computer, and disable onboard sound |
| 04:56.10 | neeto | Will the card just automatically pick up where the onboard leaves off? |
| 04:56.35 | peterS | with many setups, it will |
| 04:56.43 | peterS | if it doesn't, configuring it is usually not hard |
| 04:56.49 | stew | peterS: when wouldn't it? |
| 04:56.52 | peterS | a simple matter of loading a kernel module |
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| 04:57.10 | peterS | stew: if you're like me and don't have either hotplug, discover, or udev installed, and thus the correct module is only loaded after you tell it to load |
| 04:57.15 | neeto | Ok, well, I am the incarnation of Murphy's Law... expect me back here in 5 minutes asking you where I went wrong. |
| 04:57.20 | stew | right |
| 04:57.24 | peterS | neeto: we'll be here |
| 04:57.37 | neeto | Peace |
| 04:59.59 | pstickne | yaya, sound :) |
| 05:02.38 | section31 | is vim 6.3 the latest I can install from apt-get |
| 05:03.01 | section31 | or are my apt sources dated |
| 05:04.07 | Alphax | I'm surprised at least 6.4 isn't in there.... |
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| 05:07.33 | stew | section31: 6.3 is the version that was released with stable. 7 is available from backports if you need something newer: /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:07.46 | xerophyte | how can i find out the refresh rate for my screen in gnome ?? |
| 05:08.15 | section31 | stew, excellent |
| 05:08.17 | sanmarcos | xerophyte, xdpyinfo |
| 05:08.25 | sanmarcos | xerophyte, or open the screen resolution preferences |
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| 05:09.19 | jrsims | hey, how do i turn off the AppleTalk protocol at startup? |
| 05:09.33 | jrsims | ...oh, and WHY is AppleTalk turned on by default? |
| 05:09.38 | pstickne | jrsims, I just nuked it from the kernel :)) |
| 05:09.59 | jrsims | pstickne: it's a module? |
| 05:10.18 | pstickne | I can't recall. I built from 2.6 so didn't really apply. |
| 05:10.30 | pstickne | !appletalk |
| 05:10.33 | pstickne | :( |
| 05:10.42 | jrsims | shit. it's been a while. how do I query to see what modules are loaded? |
| 05:10.48 | stew | jrsims: lsmod |
| 05:11.08 | stew | jrsims: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 05:11.54 | jrsims | and to unload a module? |
| 05:12.03 | stew | jrsims: modprobe -r modulename |
| 05:12.23 | deadcat | fucking aol wont accept my email. (= |
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| 05:12.52 | jrsims | ok, lsmod and modprobe - these commands are built into the kernel, correct? |
| 05:13.02 | stew | deadcat: http://postmaster.aol.com/ |
| 05:13.27 | stew | jrsims: no "dpkg -S lsmod" "dpkg -S modprobe" |
| 05:13.35 | deadcat | stew: fuck it.. they win.. i am just gonna use fucking gmail )= FUCK |
| 05:13.49 | pstickne | "To help deter the sending of spam from AOL's network, we have begun blocking outgoing connections on port 25." :( |
| 05:13.55 | pstickne | Glad I don't use AOL :) |
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| 05:14.50 | Alphax | pstickne, the SMTP server I use runs on 587 or something, authenticated TLS. |
| 05:15.49 | peterS | the usual smtps port is 465, if not plain 25 |
| 05:17.58 | Alphax | yep, mine's on 587. |
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| 05:18.17 | jrsims | how do I kill GDM and get back to plain old shell? |
| 05:18.17 | Alphax | or rather, it's not on 465. |
| 05:18.27 | deadcat | jrsims: killall gdm |
| 05:18.31 | jrsims | yay |
| 05:18.44 | deadcat | jrsims: apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 05:19.03 | jrsims | deadcat: ok, doing that right now! |
| 05:19.10 | deadcat | giggity (= |
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| 05:22.39 | Illarane | peterS: No, unfortunately i810_audio doesn't work either. |
| 05:23.01 | peterS | Illarane: I don't have any further suggestions, then, if neither snd-intel8x0 nor i810_audio can be made to produce actual sound |
| 05:23.19 | peterS | Illarane: unless it's an actual hardware issue like making sure the speakers are plugged into the green plug rather than say the red or blue plugs |
| 05:23.23 | section31 | ok, i'm logging into my debian server with putty and I don't see any diff colors for directories, executables, etc. uh, how do I change that |
| 05:23.23 | Illarane | ctrl+alt+backspace until it doesn't start again... :p |
| 05:23.49 | Alphax | section31, ls --color=auto ? |
| 05:23.55 | Alphax | also echo $LS_COLORS |
| 05:24.28 | section31 | Alphax, cool, how do i make this so it defaults like that |
| 05:24.45 | Alphax | alias ls or add it to $LS_OPTIONS |
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| 05:29.49 | psychonate | How does one rid himself of that annoying message 'screen' displays when it first starts? |
| 05:29.51 | section31 | Alphax, is there a way i can check my current aliases? |
| 05:30.08 | Alphax | 'alias' |
| 05:30.31 | section31 | or would it be in my .bashrc file |
| 05:30.38 | dondelelcaro | psychonate: create a .screenrc with startup_message off |
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| 05:31.32 | peterS | psychonate: always run screen with '-S some_session_name', which I do anyway so I can easily pick a specific screen session to connect to when I use -x. that suppresses the startup message too. |
| 05:32.29 | Alphax | section31, 'alias' and check your .bashrc and .profile |
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| 05:37.28 | neeto | Howdy hi neighbors, I told you it wouldn't work, here I am, back and looking for answers |
| 05:37.36 | pstickne | psychonate, which message screen? |
| 05:37.48 | Derek1 | yo yo ye ye yo yo |
| 05:37.55 | neeto | Anyway, so I have onboard sound and a soundcard. I turned off onboard sound and there is no sound coming through the soundcard |
| 05:38.11 | neeto | What next |
| 05:38.13 | Derek1 | disable it in your bios? |
| 05:38.20 | neeto | I did that already |
| 05:38.28 | neeto | And sure enough, it doesn't work either. |
| 05:38.28 | neeto | haha |
| 05:38.42 | Derek1 | you can tell debian not to use it |
| 05:38.44 | neeto | No sound is coming out of my computer in any forms besides the bios beep |
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| 05:39.04 | neeto | How would I go about telling debian not to use the onboard stuff? |
| 05:39.11 | pstickne | neeto, when you had them both up, could you get your discreet working? |
| 05:39.15 | Derek1 | 1 sec,let me see I forgot |
| 05:39.27 | neeto | discreet> |
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| 05:39.35 | neeto | discreet? |
| 05:39.37 | psychonate | dondelelcaro, peterS, thanks for the tips |
| 05:39.50 | Alphax | neeto, physically disconnecting it might help. |
| 05:39.52 | neeto | I guess that's my queue to type it in and see what happens |
| 05:40.04 | Dewi | psychonate: startup_message on|off |
| 05:40.05 | psychonate | pstickne, it was the startup message for the 'screen' app |
| 05:40.08 | neeto | Well, I can't physically disconnect onboard sound... that's sorta the thing with onboard sound... :/ |
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| 05:40.16 | Alphax | as in, open case, disable onboard sound.... |
| 05:40.17 | Dewi | psychonate: as described in 'man screen' |
| 05:40.18 | pstickne | neeto, discreet = seperate, eg: your soundblaster, vs builtin |
| 05:40.36 | neeto | Oh word |
| 05:40.40 | Alphax | I have two computers with "onboard sound", both of which have the "onboard sound"' disabled in hardware. |
| 05:40.52 | neeto | Well |
| 05:41.00 | pstickne | neeto, I'm basically asking ... did you ever get your external sound card working even with the builtin not disabled? |
| 05:41.02 | neeto | The BIOS did a good job of disabling it |
| 05:41.10 | neeto | Cause it's not playing sound |
| 05:41.13 | insmod | neeto: just take it out of the loadable modules and add the new card check /etc/modules mand modutils |
| 05:41.13 | neeto | And it used to |
| 05:41.14 | peterS | psychonate: no, discreet = quiet and unobtrusive, discrete = separate. I know it's a subtle spelling difference (: |
| 05:41.22 | Alphax | that /could/ be how mine are done..... haven't actually checked :) |
| 05:41.26 | pstickne | peterS, thanks for the correction. |
| 05:41.44 | Dewi | peterS: god. I never noticed that before. |
| 05:41.49 | neeto | I never got my discreet working period. I was just taking the first steps in solving this problem by disabling the onboard |
| 05:41.51 | peterS | Dewi: heh |
| 05:41.54 | Dewi | peterS: I think I've been spelling it the maths way in all cases :P |
| 05:42.17 | peterS | Dewi: if you have a discrete affair, it has a specific beginning and end. it may or may not be conducted discreetly. (: |
| 05:43.49 | Derek1 | neeto: in your /etc/modprobe.d/sound disable it like so (example) |
| 05:43.51 | Derek1 | alias snd-intel8x0 off |
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| 05:44.26 | neeto | There is nothing there |
| 05:44.32 | neeto | In /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 05:44.38 | Derek1 | run alsaconfig |
| 05:44.49 | neeto | ok |
| 05:45.01 | neeto | damn |
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| 05:45.06 | neeto | I guess I have to reinstall alsa :/ |
| 05:45.10 | peterS | neeto: the exact filename in /etc/modprobe.d/ doesn't really matter, you can really put that alias line in any file in that directory |
| 05:45.11 | Derek1 | why? |
| 05:45.26 | neeto | Cause alsaconfig doesn't work as a command |
| 05:45.31 | neeto | Even though I thought I had it installed |
| 05:45.34 | peterS | alsaconf, not alsaconfig |
| 05:45.35 | Derek1 | make sure you have alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 05:45.36 | neeto | ohh |
| 05:45.37 | neeto | Alright |
| 05:45.42 | neeto | I do have both |
| 05:45.48 | neeto | but i just typed the wrong thing |
| 05:45.56 | Derek1 | doh! |
| 05:46.22 | Dewi | peterS: it's particularly important not to allow an affair to operate in the continuous domain, otherwise you end up needing to be in places at once != one, and you end up violating mutual exclusion and one of them suspects something |
| 05:46.50 | peterS | Dewi: right, always make sure your affairs are discrete. |
| 05:46.54 | lilo | list #debian |
| 05:47.13 | pstickne | peterS, and discreet |
| 05:47.14 | neeto | peterS, will this alsaconf thing do what you were telling me to do with modprobe.d? |
| 05:47.28 | peterS | neeto: it'll create that /etc/modprobe.d/sound file, if I understand correctly, then you can correct the file |
| 05:47.38 | neeto | I see |
| 05:47.48 | neeto | How do I know what the onboard sound is called? |
| 05:47.52 | neeto | Do I need to look it up? |
| 05:48.08 | psychonate | peterS, eh, why were you defining discreet to *me* |
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| 05:48.33 | neeto | Ah yes, alright |
| 05:48.37 | peterS | psychonate: mistyped the user to be addressed |
| 05:48.50 | neeto | peterS, this alsaconfig is going to do it for me |
| 05:48.53 | neeto | Much abliged though |
| 05:49.36 | aarm | Tar and tape hardware question for you all....got a standard tar backup setup to backup 10 gb of data to a 12/24 dat drive...but it asks for a second tape after less than 10 gigs |
| 05:49.44 | aarm | what gives? |
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| 05:49.51 | psychonate | Is there a universal way to change what gtk theme one is using? |
| 05:50.02 | Derek1 | gtk-themeswitch |
| 05:50.09 | Derek1 | oh |
| 05:50.12 | Derek1 | nm |
| 05:50.14 | Derek1 | sry |
| 05:50.23 | dondelelcaro | aarm: was the tape rewound when you started? |
| 05:50.36 | aarm | yeah made sure of that |
| 05:50.49 | aarm | also checked the drive compression settings with the hp utility |
| 05:50.56 | psychonate | Derek1, eh, it's not doing anything for me. Does WM matter? |
| 05:51.11 | Derek1 | its gtk-theme-switch |
| 05:51.16 | psychonate | I know |
| 05:51.22 | Derek1 | and gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 05:51.23 | psychonate | But that's not doing anything for me |
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| 05:51.35 | asabil | hello all |
| 05:51.37 | Derek1 | oh |
| 05:51.46 | Derek1 | is it all grey? |
| 05:51.47 | asabil | i am looking for the iso-codes maintainer |
| 05:51.54 | psychonate | Derek1, oh, nvm, *2 worked |
| 05:52.00 | Derek1 | cool |
| 05:52.07 | asabil | is there a debian dev channel ? |
| 05:52.13 | psychonate | Derek1, I forgot the distinction between the two heh |
| 05:52.17 | psychonate | thanks |
| 05:52.22 | Derek1 | np :D |
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| 05:52.43 | neeto | Actually for some reason the card still isn't playing sound |
| 05:53.25 | pstickne | neeto, are the modules loaded? you have stuff under /dev/sound #? |
| 05:53.38 | neeto | which modules? |
| 05:53.44 | pstickne | neeto, the ones for your card? |
| 05:53.46 | psychonate | well, damn, I don't think this switcher is working for me either :( |
| 05:53.49 | pstickne | lsmod | grep snd |
| 05:53.58 | aarm | Is there such a thing as a different device to use a tape drive's compression versus not? |
| 05:54.15 | neeto | There is a module running for it |
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| 05:54.22 | dondelelcaro | aarm: if you're using gzip it'll be compressed |
| 05:54.37 | dondelelcaro | aarm: the compression is generally not done in the drive, but done in the software that drives the drive. |
| 05:54.44 | pstickne | neeto, and you ran alsaconf and then alsamixer and made sure channels were turned up and not muted? |
| 05:54.58 | aarm | dondelelcarlo: but there is built in compression on the drive itself |
| 05:54.59 | neeto | I didn't run alsamixer yet, didn't know to/ |
| 05:55.07 | pstickne | !sound |
| 05:55.07 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 05:55.24 | dondelelcaro | aarm: not in my experience; but regardless, it won't be able to compress a gzip stream much. |
| 05:55.32 | pstickne | It says that ALSA is "normally muted and turned low" or something |
| 05:55.41 | aarm | true |
| 05:55.57 | aarm | thanks for the imput |
| 05:56.29 | Alphax | pstickne, yeah, ALSA is "turned low" for me on SUSE..... |
| 05:56.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you gonna be at linuxworld this year? |
| 05:57.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: most likely |
| 05:57.49 | dondelelcaro | I'm trying to figure out where I'm going to crash for it |
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| 05:57.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool.. picnic too then right? |
| 05:57.58 | dondelelcaro | probalby |
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| 05:58.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i am going to my friend's place tomorrow. hopefully hes gonna come up with a nicer tshirt logo design. (= the one they are planning this year sucks. |
| 05:59.12 | dondelelcaro | there are two, actually |
| 05:59.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i've only seen the one that looks like frogs |
| 05:59.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... I don't know anything about that |
| 06:00.07 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i think this is their plan: http://picnix.org/LogoContest/linux-picnix.jpg |
| 06:01.40 | dondelelcaro | oh... it's penguins like it was a warhol |
| 06:02.06 | Alphax | freeciv must not use alsa, because it's always WAY louder than everything else. |
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| 06:02.34 | digit | hi all |
| 06:02.50 | pstickne | Alphax, it might also have louder sound files |
| 06:02.55 | pstickne | Alphax, volume is relative |
| 06:02.57 | Alphax | hrm. |
| 06:03.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: can i /msg you the link to my gallery? |
| 06:04.47 | digit | I was wondering I know this doesnt concern debian so much but more along the lines of general linux |
| 06:05.34 | psychonate | gtk-theme-switcher2 only lets me use gtk themes that I've installed myself into my ~/.themes directory and those in xfce's gtk theme directory. It does not allow me to use gnome themes, though it lists them. How can I fix this? |
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| 06:05.42 | digit | but If you have say an old laptop with not much ram and a slow processor |
| 06:06.02 | deadcat | psychonate: just edit the .gtkrc-2.0 file |
| 06:06.27 | digit | could you install like slack 8 |
| 06:06.34 | deadcat | digit: sure |
| 06:07.09 | digit | i mean this thing is slow with gnome and debian 2.6 kernel |
| 06:07.29 | digit | its like 266 mhz processor |
| 06:07.35 | deadcat | digit: so install slack 8.. if its slow. why you using gnome? and why you using X? |
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| 06:08.00 | digit | because I rely on x |
| 06:08.12 | deadcat | digit: apt-get install openbox or some other box |
| 06:08.24 | digit | oh ok |
| 06:08.42 | digit | rather use debian anyway |
| 06:09.03 | deadcat | digit: just remove all the gnome crap and install a liteweight manager. |
| 06:09.31 | digit | i read up on debian and its been around almost as long as the linux kerel it self |
| 06:09.32 | psychonate | deadcat, is there no easy way to make them accessible to theme-switcher? I prefer it because I can switch/preview many themes quickly. |
| 06:09.58 | deadcat | digit: slackware is like a bit older actually. buts its there. |
| 06:10.01 | psychonate | deadcat, I'm not sure why, but it just can't seem to use themes in /usr/share/themes |
| 06:10.10 | deadcat | psychonate: no clue. i dont use that software. |
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| 06:10.16 | dgero2 | anyone here? |
| 06:10.20 | deadcat | no |
| 06:10.27 | deadcat | just me and you |
| 06:10.28 | stoned | I'm over there |
| 06:10.35 | stoned | but really |
| 06:10.39 | deadcat | stoned: left of me or right? |
| 06:10.41 | stoned | isn't there just here without a t |
| 06:10.43 | dgero2 | wht u live/ |
| 06:10.46 | psychonate | deadcat, well, I suppose I could just link all the theme directories to my ~/.themes |
| 06:10.48 | dgero2 | whr* |
| 06:10.49 | deadcat | marco! |
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| 06:10.52 | digit | hey thanks alot deadcat |
| 06:11.13 | dgero2 | anyone from india here? |
| 06:11.19 | deadcat | psychonate: i think it worked for me when i tried the gtk-switch thing. so not sure. |
| 06:11.29 | digit | nope oregon usa |
| 06:11.44 | deadcat | dgero2: try #debian.india |
| 06:12.00 | psychonate | well the symlinking didn't work |
| 06:12.04 | dgero2 | there is no one in there |
| 06:12.14 | digit | where you from deadcat |
| 06:12.19 | deadcat | psychonate: could it be a permission thing? |
| 06:12.27 | deadcat | digit: bay area,ca,usa |
| 06:12.37 | stoned | !ur |
| 06:12.37 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 06:12.39 | digit | right on! |
| 06:12.47 | digit | i was born there |
| 06:12.57 | deadcat | digit: sf? |
| 06:12.57 | dgero2 | i love indian girls |
| 06:13.06 | deadcat | dgero2: wrong channel. |
| 06:13.07 | digit | yep |
| 06:13.09 | psychonate | well, first, how can I delete all the symlinks in a given directory heh? |
| 06:13.30 | digit | pacifica actually |
| 06:13.34 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:13.37 | Alphax | find . -type l rm {} \; at a guess |
| 06:13.51 | deadcat | Alphax: that would do deep into the tree. |
| 06:13.58 | Alphax | oops :) |
| 06:14.03 | digit | but my birth cert says sf |
| 06:14.04 | dgero2 | whts the right chan dan? |
| 06:14.10 | deadcat | digit: heheh. |
| 06:14.28 | deadcat | dgero2: not here. maybe #indian.girls |
| 06:14.50 | dgero2 | thats not a channel |
| 06:15.06 | deadcat | dgero2: we dont give a fuck. just not here. |
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| 06:15.23 | Alphax | deadcat, well, you could use -maxdepth 0 on it |
| 06:15.32 | deadcat | ya. |
| 06:15.35 | Alphax | or maxdepth 1 |
| 06:15.53 | digit | so my mom just told me tonite via the telephone that sf and all of cali had a heat wave |
| 06:15.55 | deadcat | if theres like 4 files. just rm them 1 at a time (= |
| 06:16.05 | psychonate | deadcat, many files |
| 06:16.17 | psychonate | 'find . -type l' only shows one |
| 06:16.18 | deadcat | digit: ya. 2 weeks ago was hot as fuck.. |
| 06:16.42 | Alphax | interesting. |
| 06:16.56 | Alphax | are they symlinks or hardlinks? |
| 06:16.58 | digit | wow i grew up in fresno and she said it was 119 unheard of |
| 06:17.07 | psychonate | oh, shit, wrong screen window |
| 06:17.11 | psychonate | :( |
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| 06:19.05 | deadcat | digit: my friends told me tonight that some 43year old guy die at the sf marathon this sunday.. bastard was at mile 24 or smoething. |
| 06:19.12 | dansushi | Is there any good program for searching files? I am using Konqueror, and it is doign a horrible job of searching. I am using the normal kde find feature and only folders are coming up, not files. |
| 06:19.25 | psychonate | Alphax, should there be a pipe or such before the "rm" ? |
| 06:19.32 | digit | wow sad |
| 06:19.34 | Alphax | ... no.... why? |
| 06:19.47 | Alphax | what's the exact command you're using? |
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| 06:20.21 | digit | im like 46 |
| 06:20.24 | Alphax | oops, my bad. should be -exec |
| 06:20.25 | psychonate | find . -type l rm {} |
| 06:20.26 | deadcat | digit: ya.. the people i run with say he probably didnt train for a marathon... |
| 06:20.36 | deadcat | psychonate: dont you need the \; at the end? |
| 06:20.42 | Alphax | psychonate, yeah. if you don't want it to be recurse, use -maxdepth 1 |
| 06:20.48 | Alphax | it should be -exec rm {} |
| 06:20.56 | Alphax | with a \; at the end. |
| 06:21.08 | wakejagr | i'm trying to find out if my network connection is screwed up. could someone ping bloglines.com? |
| 06:21.12 | Alphax | so, find . -type l -maxdepth 1 -exec rm {} \; |
| 06:21.13 | psychonate | alright, that worked |
| 06:21.23 | peterS | wakejagr: pings fine |
| 06:21.29 | deadcat | wakejagr: works |
| 06:21.39 | wakejagr | thanks. must be me |
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| 06:22.08 | peterS | Alphax: I've always been a fan of -print0 | xargs -0 rm. I hate the '{}' and ';' business. |
| 06:22.22 | deadcat | wakejagr: oops. taht was ping -f and i just got d/c from the server with a fast as connection |
| 06:22.27 | Alphax | :) |
| 06:22.48 | peterS | or, if you know you're dealing with friendly filenames, just plain | xargs rm |
| 06:23.05 | deadcat | just rm them 1 at a time.. |
| 06:23.19 | digit | deadcat how long you been using linux |
| 06:23.29 | deadcat | you would have finish all the rm by the time you figure out the find | blah thing |
| 06:23.40 | deadcat | digit: since 2002 dec. i think. |
| 06:23.50 | psychonate | deadcat, anyway heh... when I try to preview any theme in /usr/share/themes within gtk-theme-switch2, I get this: "/home/psychonate/.gtkrc.tmp-0:2: Unable to find include file: "(null)"" |
| 06:23.54 | deadcat | digit: 6 month later i switched to debian (= |
| 06:24.01 | Alphax | peterS, I'm not sure that my MSYS setup has xargs... |
| 06:24.04 | digit | oh wow |
| 06:24.13 | peterS | Alphax: should be on every debian system that has 'find'. |
| 06:24.18 | Alphax | ok, it does. I've just not used it. |
| 06:24.28 | digit | 2yrs before me |
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| 06:25.00 | psychonate | deadcat, this "include file null" is beyond me |
| 06:25.10 | Alphax | heh :) |
| 06:25.11 | deadcat | psychonate: beyond me too (= |
| 06:25.13 | peterS | yeah most debian systems have 'findutils' installed. and that includes both find and xargs. |
| 06:25.35 | peterS | what is MSYS? |
| 06:25.49 | Alphax | it's a stripped-down version of Cygwin. |
| 06:25.56 | peterS | ahh. |
| 06:25.59 | digit | alphax do you need help |
| 06:25.59 | Alphax | made by the MinGW people. |
| 06:26.02 | deadcat | Alphax: i am waiting for the d-i to be fixed so i can reinstall debian onto my NSLU2 again.. last time it crashed on my 1gig thumb drive. |
| 06:26.07 | Alphax | digit, nope, just time. |
| 06:26.25 | digit | are you on a win32 sys |
| 06:27.01 | Alphax | atm? yes, but I don't plan on changing it any time soon. I'm going to migrate a SUSE 10 to Debian sarge though. |
| 06:27.32 | deadcat | once i get my NSLU2 running debian again. i will switch webserver . and use my gallery instead of libapache-gallery-perl |
| 06:27.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: go ahead |
| 06:27.52 | Alphax | oh goody, only 120 files left. |
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| 06:28.24 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thanks.. test the ALBUM=blah and the comment box for me please. |
| 06:28.27 | digit | alphax is this a server your on |
| 06:28.40 | digit | im curious |
| 06:28.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... all the images seem broken |
| 06:28.54 | Alphax | no. |
| 06:28.58 | Alphax | why? |
| 06:29.02 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: really? |
| 06:29.13 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, it's giving a Forbidden error |
| 06:29.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: SHIT (= |
| 06:29.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: apache config.. 1 sec |
| 06:29.39 | digit | why am i curious ? who knows just me |
| 06:29.44 | lehmama | somebody here experiences with debianinstaller and preseeding? |
| 06:29.57 | dondelelcaro | lehmama: best to just ask your question |
| 06:30.20 | Alphax | ah ok, I thought you had some reason to think that I was on a server...... |
| 06:30.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: should work now.. i blocked the /gallery dir so people cant list dir. |
| 06:30.40 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ah; yeah, just turn off DirIndex there |
| 06:30.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i have lighttpd setup right.. but i am still on apache.. |
| 06:30.47 | digit | i did actually |
| 06:30.55 | digit | since you asked |
| 06:31.00 | dondelelcaro | or DirectoryIndex or whatever it is |
| 06:31.07 | peterS | my lazy way to disable dir indexing is 'touch index.html' (: |
| 06:31.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what about the "Option -Indexes" in .htaccess? that didnt work for me. |
| 06:31.21 | deadcat | peterS: i got hella dir/sub_dirs |
| 06:32.35 | Alphax | cpanel has an option to disable dir indexing - it goes through and writes all the .htaccess files for you. |
| 06:32.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it should work if you have AllowOverride Indexes |
| 06:32.59 | deadcat | Alphax: i think it just creates Option -Indexes. but for some reason mine dont work |
| 06:33.09 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 06:33.11 | Alphax | hrm. |
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| 06:33.52 | lehmama | dondelelcaro: ok then ... my preseeding file is in initrd.gz and all works good till rebooting ... but the how is the base-config supposed to file my preseeding file, cause the new system is using another initrd.gz ? |
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| 06:34.17 | Alphax | yay! iso3 is verifying.. |
| 06:34.26 | dondelelcaro | lehmama: preseed only controls the first steps of the install |
| 06:34.27 | Alphax | for some reason I got iso4 before iso3. |
| 06:35.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: see if it still works. i just use <Location ~ "/gallery"> with Option -Indexes instead. |
| 06:35.42 | lehmama | dondelelcaro: but u can specify password and stuff as well and this is taking place after reboot |
| 06:35.44 | dondelelcaro | lehmama: the appropriate information should be shot into the debconf database at some point; but I think it's only the etch installers that allow an entire install to complete using just preseeding |
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| 06:36.18 | dondelelcaro | lehmama: you may want to ask #debian-boot |
| 06:36.26 | peterS | Alphax: iso4 of debian? very few users need that many. the packages are arranged in order of popularity, so most people only need the first 1 or 2 images, and that's if they can't use the network to pull down packages |
| 06:36.42 | myren | i'm having some problems creating a FAT partition on this compactflash card |
| 06:36.42 | Alphax | :D |
| 06:36.57 | Alphax | oh, so I won't need all 14 + 2 updates then? :) |
| 06:37.08 | myren | cfdisk happily uses the entire space, but every other formatter (windows based) seems to have some free space at the end |
| 06:37.36 | peterS | Alphax: if the target system has any network connectivity at all, you're probably wasting your time going past the first 2 CDs. if it has _good_ connectivity, you are wasting your time going past the 130 MB 'netinst' CD image |
| 06:37.37 | deadcat | myren: so use cfdisk |
| 06:37.56 | myren | my nintendo ds wont read the bloody thing if i cfdisk format it. :/ |
| 06:37.56 | Alphax | well, the target system has 56k modem...... |
| 06:38.07 | Alphax | meh. |
| 06:38.18 | peterS | Alphax: it might be handy to have the first few CDs then, but all 14 is still _probably_ overkill |
| 06:38.27 | Alphax | :) |
| 06:38.31 | Alphax | yeah, figured. |
| 06:38.37 | Alphax | ok, first 4 should be enough. |
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| 06:38.48 | Alphax | SUSE is 5.... |
| 06:38.58 | deadcat | peterS: want to test the $_REQUEST stuff on my gallery? i dont know if its secure enough to go live yet. |
| 06:38.59 | peterS | this is all thanks to popcon.debian.org which determines which packages get to be on which CDs |
| 06:39.14 | peterS | deadcat: what is your gallery, i.e., why do we care? |
| 06:39.34 | deadcat | peterS: you dont have to care. i just need it to be tested. |
| 06:39.45 | peterS | I'll take a quick look |
| 06:39.50 | myren | arent FAT partitions supposed to be a multiple of some size? |
| 06:39.51 | deadcat | k |
| 06:39.58 | deadcat | peterS: /msg you the url ok? |
| 06:40.00 | myren | arent there restrictions & stuff on that |
| 06:40.01 | peterS | sure |
| 06:40.17 | dondelelcaro | myren: there are two separate things. One is the size of the partition, the second is the size of the filesystem. |
| 06:40.24 | deadcat | peterS: test the ALBUM= on the url and the comment input |
| 06:40.30 | dondelelcaro | these are often conflated by people, but they're very distinct. |
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| 06:40.45 | myren | so mkfs.vfat should make sure its a valid fs |
| 06:40.58 | dondelelcaro | myren: yes; it may not actually be able to use all of the partition though. |
| 06:41.02 | myren | and hopefully my firmware hasnt conflated the terms |
| 06:41.10 | peterS | yeah, it is mkfs.vfat's responsibility to make the biggest valid filesystem it can in the space it is given |
| 06:41.31 | myren | ok |
| 06:41.33 | myren | thanks |
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| 06:42.02 | fireba11 | is someone running VMware server 1.0.0 on amd64 ? am doing that using etch right now and it seems i'm getting a kernel error once in a while .. was wondering what kernels will work ... |
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| 06:42.07 | digit | hey anyone ever use that debian from scrath cd |
| 06:42.14 | peterS | deadcat: all those broken images, is that still intentional? |
| 06:42.16 | myren | does compact flash media traditionally use partitions? |
| 06:42.37 | deadcat | peterS: damn.. you too? |
| 06:43.03 | myren | v.s., say, putting fat32 on the disk itself, without any partitions |
| 06:43.08 | deadcat | peterS: ok.. i just allow dir listing for /gallery then. (= try again |
| 06:43.18 | peterS | deadcat: this would be on thumbnails, actual photos show up |
| 06:43.30 | deadcat | peterS: interesting. |
| 06:43.35 | peterS | ahh, thumbs are back. |
| 06:43.42 | digit | fat 32 is for fucking windows |
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| 06:44.14 | deadcat | peterS: must be the dir listing.. but the php script only glob("/blah/*"); though. whats that got to do with the webserver. |
| 06:44.34 | peterS | deadcat: I didn't dig into it, so I couldn't tell you what the actual problem is |
| 06:45.06 | myren | superfloppy format |
| 06:45.10 | myren | extra flop |
| 06:45.21 | deadcat | peterS: try some weird stuff to ALBUM=. like ALBUM=/ or ALBUM=`ls /` or something that i dont know. |
| 06:45.41 | Alphax | deadcat, you don't have magic quotes turned on? |
| 06:45.50 | neeto | Is there any way to set priority of a process? |
| 06:46.02 | deadcat | Alphax: i have files "Rick's Cat" |
| 06:46.08 | deadcat | Alphax: directory |
| 06:46.17 | digit | digit is outa here |
| 06:46.21 | Alphax | :) |
| 06:46.46 | peterS | deadcat: your folders keep changing their look |
| 06:46.53 | digit | was that a smile from alpax |
| 06:46.55 | deadcat | peterS: ya.. its a feature (= |
| 06:46.57 | neeto | Is there any way to set priority of a process? |
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| 06:47.22 | deadcat | peterS: which libapache-gallery-perl doesnt have.. i had to use crontab to rename every 15min before. |
| 06:47.45 | deadcat | neeto: nice |
| 06:48.22 | Alphax | digit, it was directed at deadcat |
| 06:48.41 | Alphax | neeto, man nice |
| 06:49.03 | digit | ok i apologize then sorry |
| 06:49.12 | Alphax | !nice |
| 06:49.13 | dpkg | somebody said nice was prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). |
| 06:49.13 | neeto | Awesome |
| 06:49.41 | neeto | Thanks... and the info was close to making me smile :/ |
| 06:49.46 | deadcat | peterS: did those php stuff you add to ALBUM worked? |
| 06:50.05 | peterS | deadcat: can't get it to do anything interesting yet, no |
| 06:50.11 | deadcat | peterS: cool. |
| 06:50.20 | digit | hey alphax hope you get your sys up soon |
| 06:50.28 | Alphax | me too :) |
| 06:50.35 | Alphax | well, I think I'll be off. |
| 06:50.42 | deadcat | lets hope that becomes "can't get it to do anything interesting." (= |
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| 06:50.57 | fireba11 | is someone running VMware server 1.0.0 on amd64 ? am doing that using etch right now and it seems i'm getting a kernel error once in a while .. was wondering what kernels will work ... |
| 06:51.18 | digit | later deadcat |
| 06:51.22 | deadcat | later dude. |
| 06:52.05 | deadcat | peterS: last time ../../../ scared me. then ALBUM=. scared me... |
| 06:52.57 | neeto | Ok, say I wanna run nice and sux at the same time |
| 06:53.13 | neeto | nice sux firefox -20 username? |
| 06:53.30 | peterS | good thing he didn't want to run debian and sux at the same time |
| 06:53.47 | neeto | was it a stupid question? |
| 06:54.08 | peterS | no it wasn't |
| 06:54.13 | peterS | I was making a quick joke |
| 06:54.28 | neeto | It's cool, do you know how? |
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| 06:55.10 | peterS | you put the 'nice -5' before the 'sux'. I don't know the syntax for sux. |
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| 06:59.12 | peterS | deadcat: yeah I don't know php well enough to think of any more clever sploits than I already tried |
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| 06:59.44 | litage | ia64 ?= itanium architecture 64-bit |
| 06:59.48 | deadcat | peterS: thanks for helping out.. i only know the basic ../../.. and i guess i pass those (= |
| 06:59.51 | peterS | litage: yes |
| 07:00.02 | litage | thanks |
| 07:00.02 | peterS | litage: well, it stands for "intel architecture 64-bit" but it means itanium |
| 07:00.32 | pstickne | has intel finally made something of those chips besides overprices toasters? |
| 07:00.38 | neeto | how do I set the default internet browser> |
| 07:00.53 | peterS | pstickne: they kick butt in FEA, compared to the traditional chips used for that |
| 07:01.13 | pstickne | neeto, in gnome Pref -> Preferred Applications |
| 07:01.16 | peterS | (pa-risc, alpha) |
| 07:01.24 | pstickne | peterS, FEA? |
| 07:01.31 | peterS | finite element analysis |
| 07:01.31 | deadcat | neeto: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 07:01.45 | peterS | a field which requires lots of memory bandwidth and hardcore IEEE floating point |
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| 07:01.50 | pstickne | peterS, ahh. |
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| 07:02.09 | peterS | not something for which you go out and buy a computer at best buy |
| 07:02.29 | pstickne | hehe |
| 07:03.59 | pstickne | They've really dumbed down gnome2 :( |
| 07:04.20 | peterS | pstickne: I don't know how current ia64 stack up against current amd64, but when the itanium2 was released it blew away Intel/AMD chips for those kinds of applications, enough so that for certain markets it was well worth the big price difference. as for old guard unix iron, those chips have had trouble keeping up, so itanium2 filled a lot of market demand at that end. |
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| 07:04.48 | peterS | it's just in the "desktop PC" market that itanium2 was laughed out of town |
| 07:04.50 | _krillr | um.... what package is the program "host" in? |
| 07:04.55 | peterS | _krillr: dnsutils |
| 07:04.56 | pstickne | peterS, as long as there is competition, almost everyone wins |
| 07:05.04 | _krillr | thanks |
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| 07:06.01 | deadcat | damn just got 3 lines of error about my hdd: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 07:06.17 | psychonate | I must admit that Enlightenment is quite nice, though I'm still playing around |
| 07:06.36 | deadcat | psychonate: i bet you'll be sick of it in few hours (= |
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| 07:07.32 | peterS | deadcat: oh I guess I succeeded in hax0ring your php after all. I just love to cause DriveStatusError BadCRC messages in people's logs. |
| 07:08.22 | pstickne | peterS, okay, what lame expoit did you find? |
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| 07:08.59 | peterS | pstickne: modern hard drives have this secret 'hara kiri' command, see |
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| 07:09.16 | psychonate | deadcat, it's possible. I might end up going back to IceWM, or maybe trying something else. What's your WM of choice? |
| 07:09.17 | pstickne | peterS, sweet. go globalization! |
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| 07:09.31 | pstickne | psychonate, sawfish |
| 07:09.52 | pstickne | psychonate, because it's in a form of scheme. and even though I won't ever really modify it, it's just really cool. like emacs :) |
| 07:10.10 | psychonate | heh, don't know if I've tried it |
| 07:10.17 | pstickne | psychonate, (and it works well with gnome and lets me match windows ... why I switched from metacity) |
| 07:10.46 | pstickne | metacity = fun if you like everything opening in places that make them hard to use. |
| 07:11.22 | hjubal | hola |
| 07:11.41 | pstickne | psychonate, I might be used kdewm now if synaptic/apt didn't want to try and remove half my system :) |
| 07:11.53 | deadcat | peterS: that aint you (=. not even teh same hdd |
| 07:12.00 | peterS | dang. |
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| 07:12.53 | deadcat | peterS: you've seen my gallery with the libapache-gallery-perl software right? |
| 07:13.06 | peterS | deadcat: long long ago. I don't really remember it. |
| 07:13.30 | deadcat | peterS: looks exactly (98%) the same. gallery.sshonly.sytes.net |
| 07:13.33 | njkt | hmmm anyone know how to tell which US repositories are unaffected by the sync problem? (just checked the dpkg fudo message) |
| 07:13.35 | deadcat | compare it (= |
| 07:14.58 | stew | doh: E: /etc/hosts does not exist, your setup is insane. fix it |
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| 07:15.29 | stew | i guess i get another 10 minutes in a pbuilder create penalty box |
| 07:15.58 | pstickne | pbuilder? |
| 07:16.17 | stew | !pbuilder |
| 07:16.18 | dpkg | well, pbuilder is a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
| 07:16.48 | stew | !pbuilder =~ s#targetted#optionally targetted# |
| 07:16.49 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 07:17.03 | peterS | stew: at least use cowbuilder this time |
| 07:17.14 | stew | oh, i've been meaning to do that |
| 07:18.26 | peterS | 8 out of 10 cows recommend it |
| 07:19.07 | stew | the dancing ones especially from what i hear |
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| 07:23.19 | johnnyss | Hi I am building a new debian package what was the command to start the defualt editor so that I can change the version numberr and info in the changelog file? |
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| 07:23.54 | deadcat | EDITOR |
| 07:24.09 | Eclipser | ... |
| 07:24.21 | Eclipser | johnnyss, edit them with your favourite editor :) |
| 07:24.25 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:24.46 | deadcat | what about editor |
| 07:24.58 | litage | at http://amd64.debian.net there are 4 directories: debian, debian-installer, debian-amd64, and debian-pure64. what's the difference between each of these? |
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| 07:26.20 | anabain | anybody with sid? after last dist-upgrade, it seems as if xserver-xorg has been misconfigured or corrupted (/etc/X111/X is a character mess). Reconfiguring just doesn't work. Moreover, fonts are shown aliased and refresh doesn't work properly... any ideas? |
| 07:26.22 | johnnyss | Eclipser, but there is an command for that. |
| 07:26.51 | johnnyss | Eclipser, It adds the date autmatically. |
| 07:27.58 | njkt | johnnyss, do you mean dh_make? |
| 07:28.45 | johnnyss | njkt, no it was not that. |
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| 07:29.22 | johnnyss | njkt, it was a command with 3 letter I think. |
| 07:29.28 | johnnyss | s/letters |
| 07:29.48 | anabain | another question: what does "xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" mean *exactly*? |
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| 07:30.51 | pstickne | maybe it thinks it is different then when the last package put it there (in slack that file is a symlink to the real X bin) |
| 07:31.07 | peterS | pstickne: in debian too |
| 07:31.48 | peterS | anabain: not sure what will cause that, but to correct it, just do 'ls -l /etc/X11/X' to see if it is a symlink pointing to Xorg. if not, do 'ln -fs /usr/bin/Xorg /etc/X11/X' unless you're using an old version of Xorg in which case it might be /usr/bin/X11/Xorg rather than /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 07:32.32 | the_ugly | hola |
| 07:32.38 | tuxvix | hello, can any one in here help me out with ntfs ? |
| 07:32.44 | tuxvix | I and gparted |
| 07:32.44 | dooglus | is there a program for opening .pps files other than openoffice? I have abiword and gnumeric for .doc and .xls - but what to use for .pps? |
| 07:32.52 | Vasistha | tuxvix: you were having trouble mounting it, right? |
| 07:32.57 | tuxvix | yeah |
| 07:33.01 | pstickne | dooglus, what is .pps? |
| 07:33.10 | dooglus | pstickne: MS PowerPoint - presentations |
| 07:33.12 | njkt | johnnyss, dch? |
| 07:33.19 | pstickne | dooglus, not .ppt? |
| 07:33.23 | SNow | hey guys, what should I do if I have this problem -bash: /bin/mkdir: Input/output error |
| 07:33.29 | SNow | and with mount, and other commands |
| 07:33.35 | tuxvix | I cant even see my hard drives with mount -l |
| 07:33.41 | pstickne | dooglus, abiword suite had a "presenter" editor, maybe it could read it? |
| 07:33.41 | dooglus | pstickne: the only difference between .ppt and .pps is whether it opens in the editor or as a slideshow, I believe. |
| 07:33.50 | the_ugly | SNow: oh, what dmesg says ? |
| 07:33.51 | tuxvix | I am using pci, it worked fine in ubuntu |
| 07:33.57 | Vasistha | tuxvix: have you tried fdisk ? |
| 07:34.06 | tuxvix | yeah, not working |
| 07:34.15 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 07:34.15 | dpkg | methinks doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Chances are that your request for support is being ignored. Try to provide more details to motivate people to help you without the need to ask for more details of your problem. |
| 07:34.24 | tuxvix | fdisk -l right? |
| 07:34.34 | Vasistha | tuxvix: darn, that factoid used to be better :P |
| 07:34.43 | Vasistha | tuxvix: you probably have to specify the device |
| 07:34.50 | njkt | johnnyss, pulled it from this page http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html#s-newrevision maybe what you're looking for? |
| 07:34.50 | tuxvix | :) how? |
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| 07:35.00 | pstickne | Vasistha, fix it :) |
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| 07:35.37 | tuxvix | why the hell, debian not support ntfs by default |
| 07:35.42 | Vasistha | tuxvix: try fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 07:35.50 | tuxvix | no wonder many windows users have problems crossing... |
| 07:36.00 | tuxvix | will do |
| 07:36.04 | dooglus | pstickne: abiword didn't like it - it prompted "password" and then told me it might be an invalid document. maybe it's password protected, I don't know |
| 07:36.06 | prolific | tuxvix, Compile it into your kernel. It has nothing to do with debian |
| 07:36.20 | pstickne | dooglus, might be :( |
| 07:36.29 | dooglus | pstickne: I just noticed 'pptview' in the repos - quite small, and claims to - um - view .ppt files |
| 07:36.33 | pstickne | dooglus, OO 2 is a big step up from 1.x. If that means anything to you. |
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| 07:36.33 | tuxvix | Vasistha, nothing happening ??? |
| 07:36.42 | pstickne | dooglus, goodluck :) |
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| 07:36.48 | Vasistha | tuxvix: what kind of hard drive do you have? |
| 07:36.59 | tuxvix | Western Digital |
| 07:37.06 | Vasistha | tuxvix: I mean SATA vs IDE |
| 07:37.07 | tuxvix | as I sad it worked fine in ubuntu |
| 07:37.11 | SNow | the_ugly -bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error |
| 07:37.11 | tuxvix | ide |
| 07:37.14 | Cooner750 | Still having issues with vsftpd .... |
| 07:37.18 | tuxvix | that means it should work in debian |
| 07:37.33 | tuxvix | btw I have downloaded the ntfstools |
| 07:37.37 | njkt | Cooner750, what's the issue? |
| 07:37.39 | the_ugly | SNow: ooch! :) is it a server or you desktop computer ? |
| 07:37.44 | section31 | after i update my .bashrc file..how do i reload it without having to relogin. |
| 07:37.49 | Vasistha | tuxvix: what do you get when you type mount |
| 07:37.55 | SNow | the_ugly server |
| 07:38.01 | dooglus | pstickne: well, it worked - but oddly it said this: "Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin /usr/lib/pptview/pptview <file.pps>" |
| 07:38.08 | tuxvix | I can see other drives but not what I need |
| 07:38.10 | cydork | SNow: heard of fsck :) |
| 07:38.18 | tuxvix | I mean I cant see ntfs drives |
| 07:38.22 | tuxvix | partitions.. |
| 07:38.25 | pstickne | dooglus, :P |
| 07:38.27 | Cooner750 | njkt: I installed vsftpd and it appears to be working 'fine', I've setup a user that has the home directory /var/www, but when I login remotely I see /. And I am unable to upload any files |
| 07:38.29 | dooglus | pstickne: I wonder if it found my windows partition and grabbed the ms powerpoint program libs or something? |
| 07:38.34 | SNow | cydork you mean reinstall? |
| 07:38.38 | Vasistha | tuxvix: thank you. do you have more than one drive, or do you just have one drive with several partitions? |
| 07:38.51 | the_ugly | SNow: yep, fsck may be useful, or maybe try to reboot first |
| 07:39.06 | tuxvix | 2 |
| 07:39.15 | dooglus | pstickne: or maybe all .ppt files contain some small windows binary that can display them? |
| 07:39.23 | cydork | SNow: just try fsck first!! |
| 07:39.23 | tuxvix | 2 drives and on each of them ntfs partition |
| 07:39.27 | pstickne | dooglus, no, that's not true |
| 07:39.30 | njkt | are you getting any error? |
| 07:39.31 | SNow | ok |
| 07:39.35 | pstickne | dooglus, that'd just be oober-scary :P |
| 07:39.36 | SNow | -bash: /sbin/fsck: Input/output error |
| 07:39.42 | the_ugly | cydork: I think he will get a I/O error |
| 07:39.49 | the_ugly | ah |
| 07:39.51 | cydork | the_ugly: hehee |
| 07:39.55 | Vasistha | tuxvix: ...and assumably you have at least two linux partitions as well? what are they? |
| 07:40.02 | Cooner750 | Everything else of mine is working great except FTP |
| 07:40.09 | the_ugly | as with /sbin/reboot :p |
| 07:40.11 | dooglus | pstickne: oh, I see... "man pptview" ends with "Written by Microsoft Corporation". so it's their freely available powerpoint viewer. |
| 07:40.20 | tuxvix | ? no clue how can I check |
| 07:40.23 | SNow | the_ugly so what now? |
| 07:40.31 | tuxvix | mount -l does not show them, wait... |
| 07:40.40 | cydork | SNow: have any live cd?? |
| 07:41.08 | Vasistha | tuxvix: mount -l should say something like /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 ... what EXACTLY does YOURS say? |
| 07:41.37 | the_ugly | SNow: if you have physical access to the server, plug a screen and try to reboot |
| 07:41.45 | Cooner750 | anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:41.53 | tuxvix | is hda should be c? |
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| 07:42.11 | SNow | I don't have any live cd, and I can't physically access now to the server |
| 07:42.12 | tuxvix | I am looking in /etc/fstab |
| 07:42.17 | tuxvix | I have ... |
| 07:42.22 | SNow | -bash: /sbin/reboot: Input/output error |
| 07:42.25 | SNow | yeaah :)) |
| 07:42.29 | cydork | SNow: you are really out of options :P |
| 07:42.35 | SNow | the server is 100km from here :)) |
| 07:42.35 | Vasistha | !tell tuxvix about enter |
| 07:42.38 | peope | How can I disable delayed bounces in exim? Spamcop complains about "misdirected bounces" |
| 07:42.45 | tuxvix | hdc2 hdc5 and hda hdb |
| 07:43.00 | Vasistha | tuxvix: much better ... hdc2 hdc5 hda hdb ... these are useful things |
| 07:43.03 | tuxvix | hda and hdb is cdrom |
| 07:43.13 | tuxvix | ok now what |
| 07:43.17 | Vasistha | tuxvix: okay, then let's to fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
| 07:43.25 | johnnyss | njkt, thanks thats it. |
| 07:43.48 | Vasistha | tuxvix: and I suppose the other hard drive is probably /dev/hdd so you should also fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 07:44.13 | tuxvix | fdisk: command not found |
| 07:44.18 | Vasistha | tuxvix: as root |
| 07:44.22 | Cooner750 | hm |
| 07:44.23 | tuxvix | wait |
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| 07:44.59 | pstickne | just don't doubt yourself ;) |
| 07:45.14 | tuxvix | ok hdc worked and hdb not |
| 07:45.15 | the_ugly | Cooner750: watch about chroot option of vsftpd |
| 07:45.23 | Vasistha | tuxvix: hdb is a cdrom right? |
| 07:45.34 | tuxvix | I think so |
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| 07:45.47 | tuxvix | wait how can I mound it now |
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| 07:45.52 | Cooner750 | I dont have physical access to the server right now (I should tomorrow), so what do I need to edit? |
| 07:45.55 | dooglus | how can I find out which speed 'step' my CPU is on? I believe it can run at different speeds depending on the temperature? |
| 07:45.56 | tuxvix | automaticly each time I turn the pc on |
| 07:45.58 | Vasistha | tuxvix: yeah, so it did *work* -- outputting nothing is the correct behavior. Rather than saying "didn't work" please actually describe what happens |
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| 07:46.09 | isleshocky77 | Hello room |
| 07:46.09 | section31 | what's the env variable i need to change to customize my shell prompt? |
| 07:46.16 | dooglus | section31: PS1 |
| 07:46.22 | section31 | dooglus, thanks |
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| 07:46.50 | Cooner750 | I also had another question, on my Powerspec here that also has Debian, I have splashy installed and right after init shows up it states "Starting splashly client: splashy" but nothing ever happens |
| 07:46.50 | the_ugly | Cooner750: you don't need physical access to the server if you have SSH up and running on it. Read the manpage of vsftpd to get the available options.. |
| 07:46.58 | isleshocky77 | How can I get grep or something like it to print out the file name without the line matching the patern? |
| 07:47.00 | Vasistha | tuxvix: now, we have not actually mounted the drive yet. Can you please paste the output of fdisk -l /dev/hdd to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:47.06 | Cooner750 | the_ugly: I dont have SSH setup, I didnt have the time before I left tonight |
| 07:47.07 | dooglus | isleshocky77: -l |
| 07:47.07 | Vasistha | tuxvix: oh, also fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 07:47.28 | the_ugly | Cooner750: ssh is installed with the base system ... |
| 07:47.51 | Vasistha | tuxvix: that should be hdc and hdd ... I believe those are your two hard drives |
| 07:47.54 | tuxvix | ok |
| 07:47.57 | Cooner750 | What port does it run at? Chances are it is not forwarded on my Smoothwall server |
| 07:48.01 | isleshocky77 | That only prints out the matching line without the file. I want the reverse. |
| 07:48.08 | isleshocky77 | I'm piping it to a rm |
| 07:48.26 | the_ugly | Cooner750: 22 |
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| 07:48.33 | dooglus | isleshocky77: "man grep" - but it's "-l" you want |
| 07:48.42 | Cooner750 | Yea, the port is not forwarded |
| 07:48.44 | isleshocky77 | ....|egrep 'blah blah'|xargs rm |
| 07:48.52 | anabain | peterS, it is a link to /usr/bin/Xorg, now what should I do? |
| 07:49.07 | the_ugly | Cooner750: no idea about splashy btw... |
| 07:49.10 | peterS | anabain: do nothing, it's not a problem |
| 07:49.56 | isleshocky77 | Sorry... I put the -l in the wrong place in my command. I read over that man page about 5 times. I don't know how I missed it. Thanks. |
| 07:50.10 | Cooner750 | i have the Smoothwall server running to supply internet to 4 computers, one of those is the webserver |
| 07:50.12 | anabain | peterS, do you mean it's normal the prob with the refresh and the aliasing? |
| 07:50.31 | peterS | anabain: I mean the /etc/X11/X symlink is correct, whatever your problem is, it's unrelated to that. |
| 07:50.32 | tuxvix | ok found hde and hdf is my 2 ntfs partitions |
| 07:50.46 | anabain | ok, peterS |
| 07:50.47 | raf256 | considering the i810 i915 cards which do not work (fully) under linux, |
| 07:50.50 | Vasistha | tuxvix: btw, please "highlight" me by typing my nick, that will make it much easier for me to help you. You can probably just type vas and then hit <tab> that should automatically "complete" the nick |
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| 07:51.20 | raf256 | it turns out it is actually cheaper to buy such card and pay 100 usd for xi driver, since nvidia/radeon laptops costlike +500 usd |
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| 07:51.25 | Cooner750 | i'm amazed at how well Smoothwall runs on a PII 300 w/ 64MB RAM. The typical download speedtest is 4800Kpbs (cable connection) |
| 07:51.26 | the_ugly | Cooner750: ok, then try to allow ssh connections on your FTP server with Smoothwall |
| 07:51.42 | Vasistha | tuxvix: here, I have an even better command for you: fdisk -l /dev/hd[a-z] |
| 07:52.01 | isleshocky77 | dooglus: thank you |
| 07:53.23 | anabain | peterS, ok, then /usr/bin/Xorg is corrupted, the same character mess... |
| 07:53.40 | nyk2005 | I have some problems with the debian cron: I is running, but the scripts in /etc/cron.hourly and so on don't get executed. On my gentoo systems it's all working perfectly, but I don't know why not on debian? "ps" reports cron running and I get the crontab -l like this "17 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" for all the dirs. but not working. any ideas? |
| 07:53.55 | nyk2005 | I mean "IT is running" |
| 07:54.26 | section31 | anyone want to send me their cool .bashrc..i'm looking for a good shell prompt format |
| 07:55.15 | tuxvix | ok |
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| 07:55.50 | predder | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.00 | Vasistha | tuxvix: did you paste it? Do you have a url? |
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| 07:58.52 | dooglus | isleshocky77: no problem |
| 07:59.25 | bintut | where can i find the list of xkblayout and xkbmodel? |
| 07:59.43 | tuxvix | ok its says unknow nls... oh ok wait |
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| 08:00.28 | Vasistha | tuxvix: please highlight me. Do you notice how I *always* put your nick at the beginning of my messages to you? |
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| 08:01.58 | tuxvix | Vasistha, ok, I am uploading it to pastebin right now |
| 08:02.19 | Vasistha | :-) |
| 08:03.07 | tuxvix | Vasistha, here http://pastebin.ca/111265 |
| 08:03.23 | tuxvix | When I do this then mount -a it says it cant find nls ??? |
| 08:04.04 | tuxvix | Vasistha, When I do this then mount -a it says it cant find nls ??? |
| 08:04.06 | Vasistha | tuxvix: did you copy this from ubuntu or something? I asked you to paste fdisk -l /dev/hda[a-z] but this is /etc/fstab |
| 08:04.22 | tuxvix | Vasistha, no debian, wait I will |
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| 08:04.53 | Vasistha | tuxvix: debian automatically put those lines in there for mounting the other drives? |
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| 08:05.37 | tuxvix | Vasistha, here http://pastebin.ca/111267 |
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| 08:06.22 | tuxvix | Vasistha, ok I found the drives, now how can I mount them? |
| 08:06.40 | Vasistha | tuxvix: ah, excellent. So, back to the /etc/fstab ... did debian automatically configure it that way? |
| 08:06.54 | tuxvix | Vasistha, no me |
| 08:07.08 | tuxvix | Vasistha, but it says it cant find nls |
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| 08:07.36 | tuxvix | Vasistha, how can I manually mount a drive for exp. hde1 |
| 08:08.03 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 08:08.04 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:08.09 | Vasistha | tuxvix: yeah, I actually don't know what nls is, I can look for a moment. What happens when you type mount /dev/hde1 what does it tell you? |
| 08:08.28 | tuxvix | Vasistha, wait |
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| 08:09.33 | tuxvix | Vasistha, here http://pastebin.ca/111271 |
| 08:09.37 | Vasistha | tuxvix: rather than passing "nls=utf8" why don't you just try the option "utf8" |
| 08:09.49 | tuxvix | ok |
| 08:10.26 | the_ugly | tuxvix: you'd better try to mount /media/hd120 instead of /dev/hde1 |
| 08:10.28 | Vasistha | tuxvix: if your error message is only one line, it's just fine to paste that one line into the channel, like this: mount: can't find /dev/hde1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 08:10.32 | tuxvix | Vasistha, WORKED! |
| 08:10.40 | tuxvix | Vasistha, I LOVE! |
| 08:10.48 | tuxvix | Vasistha, I LOVE YOU DUDE |
| 08:11.12 | Vasistha | tuxvix: alright, glad I could help ... now you might want to see if normal users can mount and read it |
| 08:11.23 | tuxvix | Vasistha, OK, now one more thing. |
| 08:11.26 | tuxvix | yeah I can |
| 08:11.34 | tuxvix | Vasistha, samba |
| 08:11.52 | tuxvix | Vasistha, I need to share those 2hds with my windows boxes, what do I need to do? |
| 08:11.54 | Vasistha | tuxvix: if you want to automatically mount at boot time, you can add "auto" to the list of options, I believe that should work |
| 08:12.37 | Vasistha | let's see, samba, it's been so long since I tried to get samba working, hopefully someone else in here will pipe up with some samba advice, but I'll do what I can do... |
| 08:12.57 | Vasistha | tuxvix: for that matter, I've never mounted an ntfs drive myself, either ;-) |
| 08:13.32 | tuxvix | Vasistha, =) |
| 08:13.47 | tuxvix | Vasistha, I did not know that xvid/divx is supported by default in Debian hehe |
| 08:13.51 | tuxvix | nice |
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| 08:13.57 | pstickne | tuxvix, I always use fat32 "temp" drives if I need to share |
| 08:14.12 | tuxvix | yeah, but I do only read only for now |
| 08:14.18 | Vasistha | tuxvix: I assume you have, e.g., a huge music collection already on those partitions? |
| 08:14.20 | raf256 | I wonder, can medium-skilled c++ devel help in writting linux i915 driver? I dont have knowlage of hardware no of OpenGL |
| 08:14.25 | tuxvix | I will convert it to linux some day |
| 08:14.57 | tuxvix | raf256, for the money of course right :) |
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| 08:15.00 | Vasistha | raf256: I have no personal experience, but I suspect that writing a driver is a project that one really good programmer does himself (or herself, as the case may occasionally be) |
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| 08:15.06 | raf256 | tuxvix: no, for free |
| 08:15.10 | tuxvix | :) |
| 08:15.16 | pstickne | raf256, that would require lots of reading into the specs, and lots of digging in if they aren't open |
| 08:15.23 | raf256 | Vasistha: it seems the i915 devel is not dooing a good job |
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| 08:15.45 | raf256 | i915 driver for linux is about 1000% (10 times!) slower then win32 one |
| 08:15.51 | Vasistha | raf256: could be for any number of reasons, he may not have enough time or energy, or he may just not be that good :P |
| 08:16.07 | Vasistha | raf256: ...or he may be trying to reverse-engineer it, which is insanely difficult |
| 08:16.13 | raf256 | Vasistha: therefore I have some eneergy |
| 08:16.32 | section31 | how do i get the tilde to come out when i'm at my home directory in the cmd prompt. this is what i have so far PS1=`echo -ne "${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}# "` |
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| 08:17.05 | Vasistha | tuxvix: I believe /etc/samba/samba.conf is where you specify what volumes you want to share ... there may be a nice way to configure the shares |
| 08:17.17 | tuxvix | ok |
| 08:17.24 | Vasistha | !samba |
| 08:17.24 | dpkg | somebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 08:17.26 | lunitik | section31: ~ = your home dir... so ${PWD} will be stating it... |
| 08:17.26 | the_ugly | section31: \w |
| 08:17.28 | Vasistha | ^^^ tuxvix |
| 08:17.37 | njkt | question, if i build the 2.6.15.7 kernel will i still be able to use the bootsplash 2.6.15 kernel patch? |
| 08:18.23 | section31 | lunitik, when i do a pwd in my home directory i dont' get a ~ |
| 08:18.39 | Vasistha | section31: yeah, you want to use \w in your ps1 |
| 08:19.10 | Vasistha | section31: also you can use \u and \h for user and host, respectively |
| 08:19.39 | _krillr | anyone know how to set up SVN + Apache2? |
| 08:20.04 | njkt | _krillr, the svn documentation tells you how to set it up :-) |
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| 08:20.21 | pstickne | section31, ~ is a shell special character. It's like like how it knows to use * for globbing. |
| 08:20.21 | _krillr | njkt: i know, but im having difficulties |
| 08:20.36 | njkt | _krillr, what's the problem? |
| 08:20.52 | _krillr | njkt: for some reason i keep getting a forbidden from it. |
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| 08:21.02 | wassim | hello |
| 08:21.14 | _krillr | njkt: and yet i know that i set up the svn authz file correctly, and set the httpasswd file correctly. |
| 08:21.15 | nyk2005 | I have some problems with the debian cron: It is running, but the scripts in /etc/cron.hourly and so on don't get executed. On my gentoo systems it's all working perfectly, but I don't know why not on debian? "ps" reports cron running and I get the crontab -l like this "17 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" for all the dirs. but not working. any ideas? |
| 08:21.23 | wassim | how to use a webcam on debian, |
| 08:22.17 | njkt | _krillr, i've set it up on my website... 2 sec need to look at it |
| 08:22.19 | pstickne | !webcam |
| 08:22.19 | dpkg | i heard webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 08:22.34 | pstickne | whoohoo! |
| 08:23.24 | cydork | !bow |
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| 08:23.35 | Vasistha | oh yeah, that's right, I need to fix that "doesn't work" factoid |
| 08:23.36 | sanmarcos | how do I make a debian package out of a source app that has a debian/ folder? |
| 08:23.38 | njkt | _krillr, check your apache error log |
| 08:24.36 | section31 | Vasistha, thanks that helps...is there anyway I can color this? PS1="\u@\h:\w # " |
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| 08:25.12 | the_ugly | section31: export PS1='\[\033[1;33m\]\u\[\033[0m\]@\[\033[1;36m\]\h\[\033[0m\] :\w # ' |
| 08:25.18 | Vasistha | section31: yeah, there is ... there's a greybot faq on that |
| 08:25.28 | _krillr | njkt: appparently errpors in my authz file. which is odd. |
| 08:25.36 | _krillr | im getting something about an option expected on line 3 |
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| 08:26.21 | wassim | i have a camera usb connected, and i like to use it, how to install it? |
| 08:26.29 | _krillr | my line 3 is "owner = krillr" |
| 08:26.33 | wassim | Vasistha: hello? |
| 08:26.37 | wassim | Vasistha: hello |
| 08:26.46 | wassim | Vasistha: i have a camera usb connected, and i like to use it, how to install it? |
| 08:26.51 | njkt | _krillr, what sort of auth are you trying? basic? |
| 08:26.54 | Vasistha | wassim: did you not see the factoid pstickne found? |
| 08:26.57 | Vasistha | !webcam |
| 08:26.57 | dpkg | [webcam] a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 08:27.05 | _krillr | yup. |
| 08:27.39 | cmug | Can someone help me with apt-proxy from woody. I configured the backends, but when I do "apt-get update" on a client that is using the proxy, I get 404 errors and missing files? |
| 08:27.47 | _krillr | woody?! |
| 08:27.55 | _krillr | dear lord. |
| 08:27.56 | wassim | Vasistha: that's to install a webcam server, i don't need that, a simple usb webcam, |
| 08:28.02 | psychonate | deadcat, I fear you were right. I already tire of Enlightnement :( |
| 08:28.03 | cmug | I run sarge but apt-proxy is from woody |
| 08:28.09 | _krillr | oh whew... |
| 08:28.16 | cmug | _krillr, i was told that apt-proxy in sarge breaks alot |
| 08:28.19 | Vasistha | wassim: hrm. you really shouldn't single me out, I have *no* idea :P |
| 08:28.40 | section31 | bingo http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/ |
| 08:28.44 | Vasistha | wassim: ask again in five or ten minutes, maybe someone else who has experience will see your request |
| 08:28.48 | cydork | cmug: which mirror are you using? |
| 08:28.55 | sanmarcos | how do I make a debian package out of a source app that has a debian/ folder? |
| 08:29.00 | wassim | Vasistha: ok, thanks, |
| 08:29.13 | cmug | cydork, ftp.fi.debian.org |
| 08:29.41 | njkt | _krillr, how does your config look for apache (the svn location part) |
| 08:30.07 | Vasistha | section31: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq37 and also check faq 53 |
| 08:31.15 | _krillr | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1379 |
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| 08:33.36 | igorok | I greet you all. I have one problem. I can't download a DVD-image from a debian mirrow. I am using FileZilla recommended from debian home page. I download only 4.3 GB and than it was aborted. I can't resume download. The resuming worked till I have downloaden 4.3 Gb. I asked on #filezilla about it but the said me that the server doesn't support it. I tried 4 Servers but the result is the same. 4.3 Gb is the magic number. Could be that the server shares the |
| 08:34.16 | psychonate | Let me ask a stupid question |
| 08:34.24 | psychonate | igorok, do you have enough space on your harddrive? |
| 08:34.37 | igorok | sure |
| 08:34.44 | Vasistha | igorok: you're not trying to put it on a FAT 32 partition, are you? |
| 08:34.56 | igorok | not. NTFS |
| 08:35.07 | Vasistha | igorok: that's good, FAT doesn't support files larger than 4 GB |
| 08:35.19 | Vasistha | (but ntfs does) |
| 08:35.21 | igorok | I know |
| 08:36.04 | Vasistha | igorok: why not use the net install cd? A couple hours ago a guy was wanting to download the dvd and a group of us discouraged him and he was ultimately really happy with the net install |
| 08:36.05 | cmug | cydork, http://ota.tr.spt.fi/~gumfire/errorlog.txt |
| 08:36.16 | deadcat | psychonate: ya.. it gets kinna annoying.. some features are just useless i guess. |
| 08:36.37 | njkt | _krillr, silly question... you have authz_svn_module enabled in your apache conf right? |
| 08:36.38 | cmug | cydork, http://ota.tr.spt.fi/~gumfire/apt-proxy.conf |
| 08:36.40 | psychonate | deadcat, indeed, and too ostentatious |
| 08:36.56 | psychonate | deadblock, ion looks like a decent wm |
| 08:36.57 | _krillr | i believe so, let me double check |
| 08:37.10 | psychonate | er, damn you, nick complete |
| 08:37.13 | igorok | ok i try it. I thank you for you help. |
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| 08:37.45 | _krillr | wait, no i dont |
| 08:37.49 | _krillr | and its not available |
| 08:38.05 | _krillr | and none of the tutorials mention it |
| 08:38.09 | cydork | cmug: it seems fine! |
| 08:38.31 | cmug | cydork, what can be wrong then? |
| 08:38.36 | njkt | _krillr, http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch06s04.html#svn-ch-6-sect-4.4.2 |
| 08:38.50 | _krillr | where does one get said module however? |
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| 08:39.31 | Vasistha | wassim: you should really read that webcam page. I think it has all the instructions you need -- although is ALSO has instructions for setting up the web server aspect -- you should ignore those, and get the instructions you need from http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
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| 08:40.32 | njkt | _krillr, "If you've built Subversion from source code, mod_authz_svn is automatically built and installed alongside mod_dav_svn. " |
| 08:40.49 | _krillr | i got it all using apt-get |
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| 08:41.19 | njkt | _krillr, i've not used it from apt-get so i don't know, only have it running on a freebsd server from source |
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| 08:42.00 | _krillr | oh well |
| 08:42.12 | _krillr | i'll just write my own authentication handler later |
| 08:42.24 | cydork | cmug: hrm !! |
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| 08:43.14 | macks_ | i just installed debian properly does it not have a desktop? :-/ |
| 08:43.29 | macks_ | maybe i should retract my "properly" |
| 08:43.29 | _krillr | not unless you tell it to install one |
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| 08:43.32 | macks_ | i did |
| 08:43.42 | _krillr | then punch in "startx" |
| 08:43.48 | njkt | macks_, did you install gnome or kde? |
| 08:44.01 | macks_ | i did netinstall i think it was gnome |
| 08:44.18 | macks_ | _krillr, command not found |
| 08:44.33 | njkt | ah ok, did you install xserver-xorg ? |
| 08:44.44 | macks_ | yes |
| 08:44.57 | macks_ | i think..i have never done it in desktop mode :-/ |
| 08:45.07 | macks_ | kinda weird having the machine right in front of me ;-) |
| 08:45.13 | njkt | are you on sarge or etch? |
| 08:45.41 | macks_ | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 08:46.08 | njkt | try this |
| 08:46.14 | njkt | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 08:47.11 | macks_ | it says it's at the newest version |
| 08:48.00 | Fox | apt-get install xbase-clients ? |
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| 08:48.15 | macks_ | xbase-clients what is that? |
| 08:48.24 | Fox | it's the xbase clients :) |
| 08:48.31 | macks_ | heh |
| 08:48.31 | Fox | provides startx |
| 08:48.36 | cydork | macks_: use tasksel and select desktop! |
| 08:48.44 | macks_ | cydork, how? |
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| 08:49.02 | cydork | macks_: type tasksel as root |
| 08:49.10 | manager | is there a tool in windows that shows the partition order like /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 |
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| 08:49.45 | coywolf | how to know my distro name? the debian version |
| 08:50.05 | njkt | did you install 3.1? |
| 08:50.06 | manager | coywolf uname -a |
| 08:50.07 | macks_ | i did tasksel and now it seems to be reinstalling desktop software |
| 08:50.12 | njkt | err or that... |
| 08:50.16 | vegiVamp | coywolf: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:50.31 | vegiVamp | coywolf: kernel version in /proc/version |
| 08:50.41 | sanmarcos | I have a prompt of PS1="\[\e[32m\][\u@\h]\[\e[0m\]\[\e[37m\]\[\e[0m\]\[\e[36m\][\w]\[\e[0m\]~> " in my .bashrc, it looks fine through Putty (SSH), but when I log in locally (console, no gui), I get something like ;user@host: /home/useruser@host:~$ (literally), and no color. Any ideas why this problem might be happening? I tried sourcing /etc/skel/.bashrc but I still get the same trash prompt |
| 08:51.15 | Vasistha | dpkg: no, doesn't work is <reply> Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:51.15 | dpkg | Vasistha: okay |
| 08:51.34 | manager | is there a tool in windows that shows the partition order like /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 |
| 08:51.52 | Vasistha | manager: I think there's one called fdisk ... it's crud |
| 08:51.55 | coywolf | thanks vegiVamp |
| 08:51.59 | pstickne | SaneEnglishMonk, try \033 instead of \e #? |
| 08:52.10 | pstickne | neverming me actually. |
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| 08:52.56 | Zinkeldonk | Hi all. I'm trying to recompile a source package. Made some hacks to the rules file. |
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| 08:53.24 | Zinkeldonk | Problem is now I need to do a "make clean" equivalent in dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:53.36 | Zinkeldonk | Anyone know how to do that? |
| 08:54.54 | vegiVamp | Zinkeldonk: doesn't it do that automatically at the start of the build process ? I seem to remember seeing taht in the rules |
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| 08:55.53 | Zinkeldonk | vegiVamp, Not sure actually. I guess it takes it's make rules from the rules file and there are no rules to do a clean beforehand |
| 08:56.05 | vegiVamp | strange |
| 08:56.17 | vegiVamp | *opens shell to build host* |
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| 08:57.52 | Zinkeldonk | Ok. I see what's happening now. "/usr/bin/make -C . -k distclean" |
| 08:58.15 | Zinkeldonk | and later....."make[2]: *** [distclean] Error 1" |
| 08:58.21 | vegiVamp | ah :-) |
| 08:58.29 | Zinkeldonk | so, it's not cleaningt up the build first.... |
| 08:58.43 | Zinkeldonk | RTFO - Read the fine output! |
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| 09:02.28 | ryty | so...I'm having a horrible time getting xine running with fglrx drivers..any ideas? |
| 09:03.39 | liable | ryty: change output plugin? |
| 09:03.46 | infernix | ryty: possibly need to turn on VideoOverlay in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:05.26 | ryty | VideoOverlay is on |
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| 09:05.35 | ryty | liable: how would I change such? |
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| 09:06.29 | mhall | Do the fudo repo issues still apply to mko? |
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| 09:07.13 | ist | http://ist.f2o.org |
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| 09:09.36 | wassim | hello |
| 09:09.39 | ryty | howdy |
| 09:09.46 | wassim | i have a camera usb connected, and i like to use it, how to install it? |
| 09:10.48 | cydork | wassim: what does lsusb show? |
| 09:11.55 | finn_ | I just ran "apt-get upgrade" now firefox says: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map |
| 09:12.55 | cydork | finn_: sid?? |
| 09:13.20 | finn_ | testing, no idea what it's called |
| 09:13.31 | Fox | etch |
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| 09:16.01 | tenzing_ | my home computer doesn't have net connection but my work computer does. Can i take deb files from my office computer and install new softwares on my home computer? |
| 09:16.36 | infernix | tenzing_: sure. just make sure you're downloading software for the right distribution. |
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| 09:17.10 | infernix | tenzing_: if your work and home computer are the same version of debian, and you want to copy the .deb files that you apt-get install on your work computer, they are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 09:17.18 | Zinkeldonk | tenzing_, try apt-zip |
| 09:17.19 | tenzing_ | infernix, so i take the debs and then run dpkg -i pacakename? |
| 09:17.43 | infernix | !info apt-zip |
| 09:17.46 | dpkg | apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.15 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 09:18.12 | infernix | tenzing_: yep. i think you should indeed look at apt-zip. seems to be exactly what you want |
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| 09:18.52 | tenzing_ | infernix, thanks |
| 09:19.04 | tenzing_ | Zinkeldonk, thanks |
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| 09:19.40 | Zinkeldonk | !info dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:19.49 | section31 | where can i find a log of all the crons |
| 09:20.06 | Zinkeldonk | section31, syslog |
| 09:20.18 | section31 | Zinkeldonk, got it |
| 09:20.19 | section31 | thanks |
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| 09:20.21 | Zinkeldonk | section31, that would be /var/log/syslog |
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| 09:20.57 | nyk2005 | I have some problems with the debian cron: It is running, but the scripts in /etc/cron.hourly and so on don't get executed. On my gentoo systems it's all working perfectly, but I don't know why not on debian? "ps" reports cron running and I get the crontab -l like this "17 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" for all the dirs. but not working. any ideas? |
| 09:22.08 | ryty | thx for the advice btw liable |
| 09:22.13 | ryty | worked |
| 09:23.07 | pstickne | nyk2005, they are marked +x, right? |
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| 09:23.52 | nyk2005 | pstickne: yes, 700 root:root |
| 09:24.31 | pstickne | nyk2005, what does --test for run-parts yield? |
| 09:25.20 | Provito | any ideas on how to turn off the USB debug messages when I've compiled the kernel with CONFIG_USB_DEBUG=y without having to re-compile |
| 09:27.53 | nyk2005 | pstickne: # run-parts --test -> run-parts: missing operand (or how do you mean?) |
| 09:28.10 | nocti | how do i update debian on a non-connected box? |
| 09:28.23 | nocti | i just need the non-connected box to have an updated list of files, so that when i do "apt-get install -qq --print-uris pkg" it will list the links to the packages |
| 09:28.41 | wassim | cydork: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0c45:608f Microdia |
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| 09:29.54 | macks_ | holy shit installing desktop takes forever |
| 09:29.56 | pstickne | nyk2005, run-parts --test /etc/cron.hourly |
| 09:30.13 | pstickne | macks_, went pretty quick here. |
| 09:30.16 | macks_ | prolly doesn't help it's on a crappy box |
| 09:30.17 | macks_ | :( |
| 09:30.22 | macks_ | only 800mhz heh |
| 09:30.23 | nyk2005 | pstickne: nothing happens |
| 09:30.25 | pstickne | macks_, SuSE takes *forever* |
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| 09:30.42 | macks_ | really? |
| 09:30.46 | pstickne | nyk2005, run-parts isn't finding anything there it thinks it can run then |
| 09:30.51 | pstickne | nyk2005, try it with --list |
| 09:30.54 | sanmarcos | how do I turn off the console bell? (not in X) |
| 09:30.56 | macks_ | ok desktop still won't load for me after installing it |
| 09:31.18 | macks_ | n/m |
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| 09:31.37 | nyk2005 | pstickne: I tried and also nothing |
| 09:31.42 | pstickne | macks_, YaST2 has got to have one of the most poorly implemented package management systems ever :( |
| 09:31.48 | pstickne | nyk2005, is the directoy empty? |
| 09:32.01 | macks_ | pstickne, sucks for them ;-) |
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| 09:32.47 | nyk2005 | pstickne: no it contains my script (700 root:root) and .placeholder |
| 09:33.13 | nyk2005 | pstickne: And I can execute it with /etc/cron.hourly/GetIndex.sh |
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| 09:34.05 | pstickne | nyk2005, very strange. |
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| 09:34.58 | crowfoot | hi all. i ave a problem with my samba. Somebody can help me ? (sry for my english i am french) |
| 09:35.02 | pstickne | nyk2005, try to invoke --list after creating an empty normal with not extra permission restrictions |
| 09:35.10 | pstickne | *normal file |
| 09:35.27 | nyk2005 | pstickne: yes, and I have the same issue on both my virtual debian servers. On the other, webalizer is rever run by cron for some reason. |
| 09:35.53 | pstickne | nyk2005, the fact that you are not getting any results from run-parts --list /etc/cron.hourly is very ... strange. |
| 09:36.24 | nyk2005 | pstickne: yes it is!! |
| 09:36.37 | pstickne | nyk2005, what about for cron.monthly? |
| 09:37.06 | nyk2005 | pstickne: monthly and daily work |
| 09:38.15 | pstickne | nyk2005, compare directory permissions |
| 09:39.16 | nyk2005 | pstickne: identical |
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| 09:39.34 | nyk2005 | pstickne: all root:root 755 |
| 09:40.28 | pstickne | touch /etc/cron.hourly/x && run-parts --list /etc/cron.hourly #anything? if not, I have no idea |
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| 09:41.52 | Zinkeldonk | nyk2005, my experience with cron is this: if there's something in that directory that breaks (like a script that breaks), it return's zilch and leaves you none the wiser..... |
| 09:42.37 | nyk2005 | pstickne: with x, it works? |
| 09:42.39 | nyk2005 | pstickne: with x, it works! |
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| 09:42.46 | pstickne | nyk2005, it's your files |
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| 09:43.04 | nyk2005 | Zinkeldonk: maybe remove the .placeholder? |
| 09:43.41 | nyk2005 | pstickne: the file is called GetIndex.sh. should it maybe be all lower-case? |
| 09:43.46 | pstickne | nyk2005, maybe. |
| 09:44.19 | pstickne | nope, case doesn't matter |
| 09:44.32 | section31 | i need 2 commands to run at boot up...they are apps that will run as daemons...what is the easiest way to do that. '/usr/local/sbin/apf -s and /usr/local/sbin/bfd -s' |
| 09:45.28 | pstickne | nyk2005, permissions of 700/root/root also work fine here. |
| 09:46.15 | nyk2005 | pstickne: I found the cause of the problem: it doesn't work, if the file has the .sh extension! |
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| 09:47.51 | pstickne | nyk2005, strange. |
| 09:47.52 | nyk2005 | pstickne: when it's called GetIndex it works, but GetIndex.sh doen't work. Is it a bug, or is it forbidden to use externsions there? |
| 09:47.57 | Skaag | how do I check that an NFS mount is properly mounted? |
| 09:48.04 | Skaag | I mean in a script |
| 09:48.13 | pstickne | nyk2005, nothing like that is mentioned in the man page |
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| 09:48.59 | simonrvn | !extensions |
| 09:49.06 | simonrvn | !file extensions |
| 09:49.09 | simonrvn | bah |
| 09:49.12 | pstickne | nyk2005, this issue seems to affect every file with a . in it |
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| 09:49.44 | pstickne | nyk2005, I would say bug since this behavior is not documented. |
| 09:49.53 | nyk2005 | pstickne: I tested it with the gentoo run-parts, and there the .sh extension (which I use on all my simple backup scripts) is working! |
| 09:50.05 | simonrvn | ffs someone removed it |
| 09:50.20 | pstickne | simonrvn, what was it supposed to say? |
| 09:50.45 | nyk2005 | pstickne: debian uses 2.8.2 and gentoo 2.15 |
| 09:51.05 | pstickne | nyk2005, maybe look on a ML or google know that you know the specific cause |
| 09:51.10 | pstickne | *now |
| 09:51.24 | nyk2005 | yepo |
| 09:51.48 | simonrvn | extensions in *nix are useless, and are only used as a clue to what kind of file they are. not like in mock os x or windows |
| 09:51.58 | pstickne | simonrvn, right, right :) |
| 09:52.02 | simonrvn | where they are important |
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| 10:05.31 | ma3x | in case when I dont have boot loader and then when I boot from floppy, how do I boot linux with /dev/hda2? |
| 10:06.27 | pstickne | ma3x, you can use the root param |
| 10:06.35 | Fox | linux root=/dev/hda2 boot=/dev/hda |
| 10:06.38 | pstickne | floppyimg root=/dev/hda2 |
| 10:06.55 | ma3x | thanks |
| 10:07.15 | pstickne | Fox, what's the boot param do? |
| 10:07.17 | ma3x | because I just tried with 'linux root=/dev/hda2' and it gave kernel panic |
| 10:07.28 | ma3x | so maybe I should add boot/dev/hda? |
| 10:07.54 | Shadur | ma3x: Most likely not. |
| 10:08.04 | Fox | boot tells where the MBR is |
| 10:08.05 | Shadur | What was the panic? |
| 10:08.28 | pstickne | Fox, is it needed? (say MBR is hosed anyway) |
| 10:08.46 | Fox | shouldn't be needed then |
| 10:08.56 | Shadur | Fox: you're already into lilo, the MBR's not needed anymore - and the fact that he reports a kernel panic most likely means he managed to boot the kernel. |
| 10:08.56 | ma3x | Fox, I deleted the MBR |
| 10:09.22 | ma3x | Shadur, booting now ... will let you know what the kernel panic is |
| 10:09.25 | Fox | yes Shadur |
| 10:09.46 | ma3x | VFS: cannot open root device "hda2" or 03:02 |
| 10:09.57 | ma3x | please append a correct 'root=' boot option |
| 10:10.17 | ma3x | kernel panic : vfs : unable to mount root fs on 03:02 |
| 10:10.20 | ma3x | what's 03:02 ? |
| 10:10.32 | pstickne | major/minor dev numbers (I think :) |
| 10:11.02 | pstickne | ma3x, the img doesn't know how to use that filesystem |
| 10:11.17 | pstickne | ma3x, eg: it's reiser but the kernel only supports ext2 |
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| 10:11.32 | ma3x | pstickne, so how do I boot now? |
| 10:11.45 | pstickne | ma3x, I would use a boot CD. |
| 10:11.55 | pstickne | ma3x, such as one of the debian install CDs |
| 10:11.57 | ma3x | pstickne, that's the problem, I dont have a CDROM |
| 10:12.04 | Shadur | ma3x: Look up a little further, find out why it couldn't open hda2. Did it recognize hda at all? |
| 10:12.06 | ma3x | only floppies |
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| 10:12.27 | vick | mysql-admin hangs on 'retrieiving data' about users, i'm using Debian etch, anybody had a simmiliar problem ? |
| 10:12.40 | diilbertAtWork | What is the best way to detect and configure my USB card reader |
| 10:12.41 | vick | Or anybody know a good GUI mysql configuration program ? |
| 10:12.43 | ma3x | Shadur, where further? that's all what I've written down |
| 10:12.54 | omis | hi! i have some problems whit a rootdevice that i want to mount in /mnt. well, its mounted but when do ls it only shows me files named #32424234 blabla.. in mnt/lost+found/ |
| 10:12.58 | ma3x | damn, I dont have a cdrom |
| 10:12.59 | Shadur | ma3x: Further up. |
| 10:13.11 | omis | i dont want to loose my data :> |
| 10:13.13 | ma3x | Shadur, how can I go up, pageup doesnt work |
| 10:13.21 | Shadur | ma3x: shift-pageup |
| 10:13.48 | Shadur | omis: Well, those #32424234 blabla files /are/ your data. |
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| 10:14.06 | omis | but.. hmms |
| 10:14.16 | pstickne | Shadur, pretty much /were/ :X |
| 10:14.17 | omis | why the names? |
| 10:14.24 | ma3x | Shadur, I think the hard drive was not yet recognized |
| 10:14.36 | ma3x | Shadur, so what solutions do I have here? since I don't have CDROM |
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| 10:15.16 | Shadur | omis: Because you managed to get your system badly hosed and lost the entire directory structure. So it doesn't know what each file is supposed to be named or where it's supposed to be, even though it still has the contents of each file. |
| 10:15.20 | pstickne | ma3x, I would get a really tiny linux on a single (or few) floppies |
| 10:15.34 | pstickne | ma3x, it's easier to look at things once you have *something* up |
| 10:15.37 | Shadur | ma3x: USB stick, rescue floppy. Have you ever managed to boot that system in the first place? |
| 10:15.56 | omis | Shadur: oki but how to find my /home/ when the files are named that stupid :/ |
| 10:16.02 | ma3x | Shadur, yes of course I have booted my system with the boot loader, but now I've erased it |
| 10:16.02 | bintut | how can i recover the history that has been removed automatically in ~/.bash_history? |
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| 10:16.18 | pstickne | bintut, if it's gone it's .. gone. |
| 10:16.21 | ma3x | pstickne, where can I get this small linux on few floppies? |
| 10:16.23 | omis | i want some files and configs before i re-install root on that device. |
| 10:16.43 | bintut | pstickne: no chance to recover it? |
| 10:16.45 | trand | can i use wireless of Macbook with kernel 2.6.17-5 (unstable)? |
| 10:16.45 | pstickne | http://www.siliconpenguin.com/Software/Floppy_Based_Distributions/ |
| 10:16.50 | pstickne | bintut, no. |
| 10:16.52 | trand | anyone uses Macbook? |
| 10:17.05 | ma3x | but I'm wondering, why can't I do this from the debian based floppies? |
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| 10:17.54 | ma3x | Floppix is that a good one? |
| 10:18.00 | bintut | pstickne: ok.. thanks.. i also checked my /var/log/syslog.* but i can't find the command i used 2 months ago.. |
| 10:18.01 | pstickne | ma3x, debian might have some cool rescue floppy but I don't know :( |
| 10:18.09 | ma3x | and then when I boot from that floppy, what do I type, what do I do? |
| 10:18.13 | Fox | ma3x: because floppies don't have all the drivers for alla fs, there's not enough room for that |
| 10:18.17 | Fox | s/alla/all/ |
| 10:18.21 | bintut | how will i know the last packages i apt-get installed? |
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| 10:18.46 | pstickne | *shrug* |
| 10:18.47 | Fox | bintut: ls -ltr /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 10:18.55 | ma3x | can you suggest some good linux distro, small for a few floppies that has those fs drivers |
| 10:19.26 | pstickne | ma3x, get one with the fs support you need for sure. |
| 10:19.40 | pstickne | ma3x, recall if it's ext2? ext3? reiser? |
| 10:19.56 | ma3x | pstickne, the fs ? |
| 10:19.59 | ma3x | it's ext3 |
| 10:20.12 | pstickne | just make sure to get one with ext3 support then :) |
| 10:20.21 | ma3x | pstickne, please tell me which small linux supports that |
| 10:20.30 | ma3x | I mean small enough to fit on few floppie |
| 10:20.35 | ma3x | floppies |
| 10:20.55 | pstickne | http://nexusbox.sourceforge.net/krazhbox/ |
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| 10:21.16 | pstickne | ma3x, that is 1) maintained 2) specific for the task at hand |
| 10:21.41 | omis | Shadur: is there a way to fix the dir struc? |
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| 10:23.14 | diilbertAtWork | no takers ? |
| 10:23.31 | ma3x | uhm, how do I burn the .img to a floppy? |
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| 10:23.40 | ma3x | I've never done this before, just to a CD with k3b |
| 10:23.44 | tralala | ma3x: dd if=.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 10:23.49 | ma3x | thanks |
| 10:24.00 | ma3x | I've lack of linux basis |
| 10:24.11 | pstickne | http://nexusbox.sourceforge.net/krazhbox/howto.htm |
| 10:25.04 | ma3x | thanks pstickne |
| 10:25.07 | bintut | Fox: it's not there.. but i already found it.. thanks.. :) |
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| 10:26.11 | Shadur | omis: Yes. Recreate the directories by hand with mkdir, then examine each file to find out what it should be. |
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| 10:28.01 | ma3x | pstickne, I was just wondering because I'm week researcher. What did you type in google to find out krazhbox? something like these keywords? 'ext3 support filesystem linux floppy distro'. or did you already know krazhbox? |
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| 10:28.37 | pstickne | floppy linux ext3 |
| 10:28.40 | pstickne | it was the first hit |
| 10:28.48 | ma3x | alrighty |
| 10:28.50 | omis | Shadur: hmm examine each file, theres like got-damn-many |
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| 10:29.14 | pstickne | omis, salvage any important information you can and reinstall? |
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| 10:30.10 | omis | pstickne: thats what i want to do.. but i cant find my users home on that device. |
| 10:30.34 | omis | all the files are named like #3453566. and there verrrryvery many files. |
| 10:31.47 | pstickne | omis, if they are intact file-wise you could use `file` to batch them up some. |
| 10:32.37 | ma3x | pstickne, got another kernel panic now: not syncying: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0) |
| 10:32.46 | ma3x | what does that mean, and what's to do next? |
| 10:32.55 | DerJamster | ma3x: Building a kernel? |
| 10:32.58 | pstickne | ma3x, from that image? :( |
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| 10:33.09 | pstickne | DerJamster, trying to boot a rescue floppy kernel. |
| 10:33.15 | ma3x | pstickne, from the krazhbox floppy. I typed rescure root=/dev/hda2 |
| 10:33.17 | DerJamster | oh. |
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| 10:33.24 | pstickne | ma3x, no, don't put in root |
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| 10:33.30 | ma3x | what then? |
| 10:33.41 | omis | pstickne: hmz i dont understand, sry. can i locate my /home whit the file command? |
| 10:33.43 | pstickne | ma3x, nothing. just let it boot normally. |
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| 10:33.52 | ma3x | without rescue? |
| 10:33.59 | ma3x | just boot normally and then do what? |
| 10:34.18 | pstickne | ma3x, just follow whatever the instructions tell you. but don't supply a root. |
| 10:34.26 | roxy_ | Hi got a host trying lots of password on all possible name(root, mysql, ...) . It does it every 3 seconds or so. How can I stop such attack ? |
| 10:34.45 | pstickne | ma3x, that floppy distro is designed to boot to a tiny env which will allow you the ability to repair |
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| 10:35.48 | liable | !fail2ban |
| 10:35.49 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with ssh and iptunnel, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 10:35.52 | liable | roxy_: ^^ |
| 10:37.03 | pstickne | roxy_, pull the plug? |
| 10:37.03 | roxy_ | liable: thanks , I'll have a look |
| 10:39.48 | liable | roxy_: theres also an iptables module that can do it with a two line script |
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| 10:40.30 | liable | roxy_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187\ |
| 10:40.34 | liable | roxy_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
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| 10:43.06 | diilbertAtWork | What is the best way to detect and configure my USB card reader |
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| 10:44.30 | roxy_ | liable: the firewall rules are exactly what I was looking for :-) |
| 10:45.07 | liable | nice |
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| 10:48.44 | liable | diilbertAtWork: what does dmesg say about it when plugged in? |
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| 10:48.55 | udos | 'night |
| 10:49.06 | diilbertAtWork | liable |
| 10:49.08 | diilbertAtWork | yes |
| 10:49.14 | diilbertAtWork | but no sda or sdb |
| 10:49.41 | liable | diilbertAtWork: paste the relevant lines to a paster |
| 10:52.13 | ma3x | pstickne, when I do chroot /linux/hda2 it says chroot: cannot execute /bin/ash: no such file or directory |
| 10:52.21 | ma3x | and idea how to chroot or how to install grub loader? |
| 10:52.29 | pstickne | ma3x, that's okay. you don't need to chroot. |
| 10:52.39 | ma3x | pstickne, but |
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| 10:53.12 | pstickne | ma3x, okay, well chroot then |
| 10:53.24 | ma3x | pstickne, but I can't |
| 10:53.27 | pstickne | chroot /the/mount /bin/bash |
| 10:53.28 | ma3x | it says that shell error |
| 10:53.32 | ma3x | thanks |
| 10:53.43 | wassim | i have a camera usb connected, and i like to use it, how to install it? |
| 10:53.54 | liable | ma3x: first, mount /deb/hda2 on something (ie mkdir /rescue; mount /dev/hda2 /rescue) secondly, chroot /rescue /bin/sh |
| 10:54.13 | cydork | wassim: does it shows in lsusb? |
| 10:54.14 | liable | wassim: some cameras need gphoto2. google about your camera |
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| 10:54.18 | tralala | ma3x: grub has a manual and there you will find the --root parameter (iirc) |
| 10:55.56 | tralala | wassim: there are two ways - it will either show up as an usb storage drive (/dev/sd[a-z]) or you'll need libgphoto2 to use it. In the later case try kamera. |
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| 11:03.55 | ma3x | tralala, its okay I installed it |
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| 11:05.50 | ma3x | pstickne, thanks a lot !! |
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| 11:07.25 | Celeste | hi |
| 11:07.36 | Celeste | when I plug in my USB stick, I get this problem: |
| 11:07.38 | Celeste | http://sial.org/pbot/18756 |
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| 11:12.12 | lacostej | Hi. Sometimes my terminal stops working properly: it stops displaying the input I type in. If I press enter, it just redisplays the prompt. I have seen that for years, but never got to know why nor how to fix it. Anyone knows what's going on ?= |
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| 11:12.42 | tralala | lacostej: tried reset? |
| 11:13.08 | lacostej | tralala: thanks that works |
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| 11:15.01 | zimnyx | I got tunelled proxy available on localhost, can i configure whole outgoing traffic to use this proxy? |
| 11:15.24 | infernixx | !reinstall |
| 11:15.25 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 11:17.24 | tralala | zimnyx: what do you mean by "tunelled proxy"? |
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| 11:21.02 | ma3x | how do I mount a partition over the network? |
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| 11:21.52 | ma3x | I mean if I have 2 linux computers into a network connected, what's the easiest way to transfer files between them |
| 11:21.57 | ma3x | or to copy a partition for eg. |
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| 11:23.01 | tralala | ma3x: scp |
| 11:23.40 | ma3x | !scp |
| 11:23.40 | dpkg | i guess scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
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| 11:24.21 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 11:25.33 | Ciccio_ | hi, someone can help me with a new debian (3.1) |
| 11:26.02 | Ciccio_ | i'm trying to setup a sata hard disk (system is on an IDE one so debian is working right now) |
| 11:26.28 | streuner | Ciccio_: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 11:26.48 | Ciccio_ | i tried with new kernel (apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp) |
| 11:26.54 | liable | Ciccio_: if sarge doesnt see the disk, chances are, you need a newer kernel |
| 11:27.03 | blondie | sarge kernel is rubbish for SATA |
| 11:27.11 | liable | works on mine :P |
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| 11:27.23 | webustany | hi there |
| 11:27.33 | blondie | liable: lucky you.... my SATA disks don't mount at boot cos it's rubbish :P |
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| 11:27.48 | liable | touche! |
| 11:27.49 | Ciccio_ | ok so must use latest kernel at all :) |
| 11:27.51 | liable | :) |
| 11:27.57 | Ciccio_ | try to follow that guide thanks |
| 11:28.01 | blondie | works in etch though c.c |
| 11:28.23 | webustany | I have a woody running on a fossile laptop (120mhz / 32mb ram / 800m disk, only a floppy drive). Do you think upgrading to Sarge would be a good think ? |
| 11:28.26 | liable | Ciccio_: you need to find the controller chipset (lspci) and then google to see what kernel supports it |
| 11:28.38 | liable | Ciccio_: no need to re-install, just get a newer kernel |
| 11:28.45 | streuner | webustany: no |
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| 11:29.34 | webustany | streuner: thanks :) actually I don't need udev and that sort of things... |
| 11:29.50 | streuner | webustany: even with 64 MB RAM its a pain to use web-browsers like firefox or such |
| 11:30.16 | webustany | streuner: What does this has to do with sarge ? |
| 11:30.24 | webustany | (though I agree) |
| 11:30.42 | streuner | webustany: if you only run the box as server its ok |
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| 11:31.01 | streuner | but if you want to use it as desktop-system just forget that. |
| 11:31.21 | webustany | streuner: I use it as a console desktop. For me (I don't know debian very well), the keypoints of Sarge are : 2.6 kernel + udev |
| 11:31.26 | DerJamster | streuner: eh, firefox is a memory hog anyways. Bad example ;) |
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| 11:31.41 | streuner | DerJamster: heh? :-) |
| 11:31.47 | webustany | DerJamster: dillo has a mod to manage tabs |
| 11:31.50 | DerJamster | I mean, heck..it's probably the browser with the most memory consumption :> |
| 11:32.19 | DerJamster | Oh, that was in reply to 'even with 64 MB RAM its a pain to use web-browsers like firefox or such' |
| 11:32.22 | DerJamster | Late, I know ;) |
| 11:32.26 | tralala | webustany: both 2.6 and udev are optional on sarge a real advantage is the security support though |
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| 11:32.57 | streuner | webustany: udev isn't the point, the point are rather modern kernels, DE's and modern browsers... |
| 11:32.57 | ma3x | I get verification failed notice: |
| 11:33.19 | belracu | what is the meaning of the 3 dots in function definition ex: "static funx( int a , int b , ...)" |
| 11:33.29 | ma3x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3313 |
| 11:33.32 | webustany | tralala, streuner : ok |
| 11:33.33 | ma3x | what do I do about that |
| 11:33.37 | ma3x | I can't ssh to my other machine |
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| 11:33.52 | webustany | belracu: you have an infinity of args |
| 11:34.00 | webustany | belracu: int c, int d, and so :) |
| 11:34.10 | belracu | webustany, is it legal |
| 11:34.19 | webustany | belracu: what is the context ? |
| 11:34.40 | tralala | ma3x: the text you've pasted actually has a suggestion how to fix the problem |
| 11:34.45 | belracu | but how to know the nature if the datatype of those arguments |
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| 11:35.01 | belracu | webustany, I see a strange funtion definition in Jungo |
| 11:35.16 | belracu | rgloader ... |
| 11:35.36 | webustany | belracu: dunno what Jungo is :) |
| 11:35.40 | ma3x | tralala, it says to add the key, but what's the key? |
| 11:35.52 | ma3x | tralala, 3f:28:96:c0:06:1d:3d:e9:16:af:20:27:29:08:7a:f3. |
| 11:36.01 | belracu | webustany, static void load_user_mode(char *module, int is_early, int can_fail, char *config, ...) |
| 11:36.12 | ma3x | tralala, when I add that to /root/.ssh/known_hosts it doesn't change |
| 11:36.23 | webustany | ma3x : you don't get it :) |
| 11:36.24 | belracu | Jungo is a complex way to make moeny of open source |
| 11:36.26 | belracu | :D |
| 11:36.51 | webustany | ma3x: another gpg fingerprint for the same ip is already registered in ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 11:37.09 | belracu | if u ask to show the nose ... in jungo way ... take ur hand below ur ass and get it up to ur face and then to ur nose |
| 11:37.11 | belracu | :P |
| 11:37.16 | tralala | ma3x: no, that's the fingerprint of the key. The key itself is found in /etc/ssh on the server (192.168.2.1). The other option is to delete the row 192.168.2.1 from known_hosts and accept the key when the server sends it. |
| 11:37.21 | ma3x | webustany, so shuld I delete it |
| 11:37.30 | webustany | ma3x: exactly :) |
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| 11:37.48 | webustany | ma3x: IF YOU'RE SURE that the computer you're sshing to is the good one |
| 11:37.53 | webustany | ma3x: as the warning says :) |
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| 11:38.06 | ma3x | okay |
| 11:38.07 | ma3x | thanks! |
| 11:38.14 | ma3x | :p |
| 11:38.30 | tralala | !customer |
| 11:38.30 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 11:39.09 | tralala | dpkg: say something funny |
| 11:39.09 | dpkg | something funny |
| 11:39.26 | tralala | *grin* |
| 11:39.53 | zimnyx | tralala: i'm on server A. Proxy is on server B. There's tunel between them, thus serverB's proxy is available on localhost port on server A. |
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| 11:40.29 | Behzat | !dpkg nvidia |
| 11:40.29 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 11:40.51 | Behzat | !dpkg nvidia installer |
| 11:40.51 | dpkg | well, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 11:41.10 | liable | Behzat: /msg the bot dude, we dont all need to see it |
| 11:41.12 | Behzat | !dpkg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 11:41.13 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 11:41.26 | Behzat | sorry bro |
| 11:41.56 | tralala | zimnyx: so instruct your software to access the proxy at server A port whatever. This will only work if the port is listening on all the interfaces. This is not the default behaviour of ssh tunels but there are options to change it. |
| 11:42.14 | Ciccio_ | new kernel installed... but it still seems to not see sata disks |
| 11:42.33 | Ciccio_ | it's a asus p5vdc-mx mainboard |
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| 11:42.55 | liable | Ciccio_: and where did you get this new kernel? |
| 11:43.14 | Ciccio_ | [13:26:28] <streuner> Ciccio_: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
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| 11:43.32 | Ciccio_ | maybe in .config used it's disabled? |
| 11:43.45 | Ciccio_ | now I'm apt-getting sources... |
| 11:43.50 | Ciccio_ | to build of my own |
| 11:44.16 | liable | Ciccio_: did you reboot into the new kernel? |
| 11:44.19 | uwe | hello, how can i enable the mod_dbd in apache in debian, it should come in the box with apache! but its not in /usr/lib/apache2/modules !! |
| 11:44.21 | liable | Ciccio_: uname -r |
| 11:44.21 | Ciccio_ | of course :D |
| 11:44.33 | Ciccio_ | I'm a debian newbie bt not a linux one ;) |
| 11:44.42 | liable | what version is it? |
| 11:44.59 | Ciccio_ | 2.6.16-2-686-smp |
| 11:45.31 | liable | Ciccio_: if it isnt supported by .16, then you need to do some googling and find out if its supported at all. |
| 11:45.54 | tralala | Ciccio_: how many sata disks do you have? Are they configured in RAID? |
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| 11:46.09 | Ciccio_ | two without raid |
| 11:46.22 | Ciccio_ | now only one connected |
| 11:46.27 | Rapp | how do i get my debian installation to interpret the hwclock as local time? |
| 11:46.27 | liable | whats the chipset? |
| 11:46.41 | tralala | Ciccio_: does the bios see it? |
| 11:46.49 | Ciccio_ | yes bios sees it |
| 11:46.55 | tralala | Rapp: tzconfig |
| 11:47.00 | Rapp | tralala, thanks |
| 11:47.14 | Ciccio_ | it's some Via chipset |
| 11:47.18 | Ciccio_ | now trying to get it |
| 11:47.28 | tralala | Ciccio_: paste dmesg output somewhere |
| 11:47.42 | liable | lspci also |
| 11:47.56 | zimnyx | tralala: yeah, but i'd have to configure all software, can i do it globaly in system? |
| 11:47.57 | tralala | lspci -v actually |
| 11:48.24 | tralala | zimnyx: I don't think so |
| 11:48.36 | Rapp | tralala, actually that was a bit incorrect. /etc/default/rcS contains a line UTC=yes, but man tzconfig told me this :) |
| 11:48.39 | liable | tralala: -v wont give any more info really, all we need is the name of the chipset |
| 11:50.38 | Ciccio_ | just some minutes to get files out of the server |
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| 11:51.42 | zimnyx | tralala: thanks |
| 11:53.11 | Ciccio_ | can't remember paste-it service to paste text and get links to it... can you remember? |
| 11:53.20 | Thanatermesis | please, i need your colaboration for know the most used and importants programs to the users has on debian, if you like ot help me, please "dpkg -l > list-packages.txt" and send me the file, thx |
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| 11:53.41 | tralala | Ciccio_: pastebin.ca |
| 11:53.47 | liable | !popcon |
| 11:53.47 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:53.56 | liable | Thanatermesis: ^^^ |
| 11:54.32 | Ciccio_ | http://pastebin.ca/111555 |
| 11:54.34 | Ciccio_ | this is lspci -v |
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| 11:54.50 | Thanatermesis | hum... :) |
| 11:55.16 | Ciccio_ | http://pastebin.ca/111557 |
| 11:55.19 | Ciccio_ | this is dmesg one |
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| 11:56.06 | liable | Ciccio_: run, update-pciids |
| 11:56.14 | liable | then repaste lspci |
| 11:56.27 | vick | I tried several times install php5-mysql and then running php -m but it doesn't seem to be showing that mysql module is on |
| 11:57.46 | Ciccio_ | http://pastebin.ca/111562 |
| 11:57.52 | Ciccio_ | here updated lspci |
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| 11:58.55 | tralala | Ciccio_: can you load the sata-via module? |
| 11:58.56 | the_ugly | vick: watch in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini (bottom) if extension=mysql.so commented |
| 11:59.28 | the_ugly | vick: or maybe you just need php5 cli, without Apache ? |
| 11:59.32 | Ciccio_ | yes tralala |
| 11:59.34 | Ciccio_ | it loads... |
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| 12:00.30 | zimnyx | can i make ssh connections via proxy server? |
| 12:01.18 | markit | hi, is it a known problem that updating debian sid, firefox does not render fonts in labels anymore? at least, some are rendered, other you have to pass with the mouse above (interface and web pages as well). |
| 12:01.20 | markit | ? |
| 12:01.39 | tralala | Ciccio_: does it detect the controller and the disks? |
| 12:01.49 | Ciccio_ | it seems it doesnìt |
| 12:01.51 | Ciccio_ | doesn't |
| 12:02.03 | Ciccio_ | SCSI subsystem initialized |
| 12:02.03 | Ciccio_ | libata version 1.20 loaded. |
| 12:02.11 | lunaphyte_ | if i want to add a static route to a machine's init process, where is the proper place to do that? |
| 12:02.12 | vick | the_ugly, will do that, thanks. |
| 12:02.13 | Ciccio_ | this is the only dmesg output on moudle loading |
| 12:02.32 | liable | Ciccio_: ggole that controller, first hit was this.. (read the notes at top) http://www.phoronix.com/lch/?k=entry&l=276&t=ASUS%20P5V800-MX |
| 12:02.56 | liable | looks like 2.6.18 *might* support it |
| 12:02.58 | tralala | Ciccio_: http://rajibchy.tripod.com/ |
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| 12:03.37 | Rothgar | Bought a new NIC for my Debian box and now my VMware errors from the onboard VIA are gone |
| 12:03.43 | Rothgar | I disabled the VIA though |
| 12:04.12 | M4DM4X | hi all |
| 12:04.36 | tralala | Ciccio_: it seems that you're out of luck with this controller |
| 12:04.40 | Thanatermesis | thanks liable, this is just what i search :) btw.. how are generated this list ? popcorn send the info of your packages on your system to this statistics system ? |
| 12:04.40 | M4DM4X | i want to know if exist a file (log or other) who keep all the information who appears in my screan |
| 12:04.51 | M4DM4X | screen |
| 12:05.24 | liable | M4DM4X: what, everything that was seen on your screen? |
| 12:05.42 | M4DM4X | for exemple the command i wrote and the results |
| 12:05.55 | Holborn | Thanatermesis: ah :) |
| 12:06.03 | M4DM4X | for the command i could do : history |
| 12:06.12 | M4DM4X | but for the result no idea... |
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| 12:06.56 | Ciccio_ | ok downloaded two patches |
| 12:07.01 | Ciccio_ | patched kernel |
| 12:07.05 | Ciccio_ | recompiling now |
| 12:07.14 | tralala | M4DM4X: you can save the output of any command in a file by using redirection, e.g. ls > list.log |
| 12:07.20 | Ciccio_ | there's a standard way to make kernel on debian? |
| 12:07.30 | tralala | Ciccio_: make-kpkg |
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| 12:08.02 | M4DM4X | tralala : why not for future commands |
| 12:08.07 | M4DM4X | thx |
| 12:08.16 | Ciccio_ | supposte it's in kernel-package |
| 12:08.26 | Thanatermesis | hi Holborn :) |
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| 12:08.39 | Ciccio_ | doing int |
| 12:08.46 | Ciccio_ | it |
| 12:09.33 | tralala | M4DM4X: saving the output of every command is sort of pointless but can be done |
| 12:09.51 | tralala | Ciccio_: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 12:10.17 | blx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.15 | Illarane | I'm trying to get the sound working on a Packard Bell 8550 (Intel 82801 ICH6 thing) under etch through ALSA, but whilst everything appears to be set up correctly, it's completely silent. alsaconf doesn't help, snd_intel8x0m is unloaded so it can't interfere, and i810_audio doesn't work either by the looks of it. Any ideas? |
| 12:17.26 | markit | I've found a bug report for my problems with text not rendered in firefox debian sid last update: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg216466.html (if anyone itnerested) |
| 12:17.34 | markit | bye, thanks |
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| 12:17.53 | chjunior | lunitik are you there? |
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| 12:18.03 | chjunior | cydork are you there? |
| 12:18.11 | chjunior | stew are you there? |
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| 12:18.55 | roym | Folks, Any recommendations for where I might buy a minimal and rugged |
| 12:18.56 | roym | AMD 64 Opteron box (for use as a server). I just need 100GB disk, 2GB |
| 12:18.56 | roym | RAM, NIC card and CDRW drive. |
| 12:19.00 | the_ugly | Illarane: do you have snd* modules loaded ? |
| 12:19.07 | roym | Methinks this should be available for under $500. Am I totally off base? |
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| 12:20.08 | tralala | roym: I don't know if you're off base but you're certainly off-topic |
| 12:20.59 | roym | tralala: agreed - but I figured this is something many of ye debian users have pondered. |
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| 12:22.16 | Illarane | the_ugly: Yes. |
| 12:22.36 | Illarane | the_ugly: For all intents and purposes, it's set up correctly and working, except for the fact that I have no sound whatsoever. |
| 12:22.42 | Illarane | I can't even cat /bin/bash to /dev/dsp |
| 12:23.08 | ofer0 | I have access to the /etc/shadow file, and I want to authenticate a user without sending it's password over the network. |
| 12:23.11 | the_ugly | Illarane: the device does not exist ? |
| 12:23.20 | ofer0 | Do you have an idea how to do it? |
| 12:23.32 | Illarane | the_ugly: No, it just doesn't work. |
| 12:23.33 | ofer0 | (I'm talking about remote user of course) |
| 12:24.17 | tralala | ofer0: ssh + key authentication |
| 12:26.30 | the_ugly | Illarane: when you run alsaconf, is your soundcard reconized ? |
| 12:28.03 | enouf | roym: In the USA? go to mwave.com, monarchcomputers.com, newegg.com (and check bensbargains.net, fatwallet.com, etc for deals of the day/week) -- always check with resellerratings.com before buying, and go and build yourself a box |
| 12:28.45 | abrotman | roym: ask #hardware |
| 12:29.03 | roym | enouf: thanks - I appreciate that (and yes, I am in the US.) |
| 12:29.08 | enouf | ^^^ that too ;-) |
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| 12:29.41 | Illarane | the_ugly: Yes. |
| 12:29.48 | Illarane | And it's correct, too. |
| 12:30.12 | the_ugly | Illarane: and when you run alsamixer, all the settings are unmuted ? |
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| 12:31.55 | Illarane | the_ugly: Yeees... |
| 12:32.01 | chjunior | Illarane, the_ugly, it's happening to me too! /dev/dsp just doesn't exists.... =/ |
| 12:32.12 | Illarane | /dev/dsp exists, it's just silent. |
| 12:32.35 | chjunior | Illarane, the_ugly, yesterday, lunitik, cydork and stew were trying to help-me |
| 12:32.49 | chjunior | Illarane hummmmm |
| 12:32.54 | tralala | Illarane: unmuted is different than the level you see in alsamixer |
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| 12:33.13 | user_ | bah, I just spent 20 minutes fighting with this "freedom" firewall on the host system before deciding to just shut it down.. its not supposed to be even looking at my VMs network devices as I have the host OS set not to firewall them.. but it apperently doesnt respect the OS settings and doesnt have any such setting of its own |
| 12:33.13 | abrotman | argh .. load the module .. be in the audio group .. turn up the levels (might need aumix too) |
| 12:33.38 | stew | chjunior: if you are using alsa, "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
| 12:34.12 | user_ | I dont want to use NAT and be behind 3 firewalls :P getting direct access to the real world in a VM can be a pain sometimes |
| 12:34.14 | chjunior | stew, hi stew! well, my pc passed on memtest86+ |
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| 12:35.04 | Illarane | tralala: Hmm? |
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| 12:37.33 | the_ugly | Illarane: press the M key on Master , and check if you got something like Item: Master [Off] |
| 12:38.42 | tralala | Illarane: http://pastebin.ca/111677 |
| 12:39.01 | Illarane | Front Left/Right: [87%] [on] |
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| 12:39.32 | manager | hi |
| 12:39.32 | tralala | Illarane: how about Master? |
| 12:39.33 | manager | I have 2 windows versions |
| 12:39.39 | manager | and for the one I have root (hd0,0) and for the other root (hd0,2) |
| 12:39.52 | manager | and chainloader is same chainloader +1 |
| 12:39.53 | Illarane | tralala: That was master. |
| 12:40.01 | manager | so when I boot the both they boot from the same partition |
| 12:40.02 | manager | how come? |
| 12:40.07 | manager | should I put chainloader +2? |
| 12:40.15 | tralala | Illarane: how about PCM then? |
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| 12:40.29 | Illarane | Nothing's muted, and everything's on, except the External Amplifier switch which mutes the speakers and turns the headphone output down rediculously low so you can plug it into an amp. |
| 12:40.29 | Adrian | !enter |
| 12:40.30 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 12:40.43 | manager | tralala you know anything about this? |
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| 12:41.09 | tralala | manager: no, I have two windows installations less than you do |
| 12:41.30 | abrotman | manager: might want to ask #grub |
| 12:41.46 | Illarane | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Arvr3m60.html |
| 12:41.48 | abrotman | i think it's still +1 .. but i honestly don't know |
| 12:42.00 | Illarane | manager: +1 |
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| 12:43.41 | user_ | I've been doing a lot of photo editing for slideshow purposes. crops, rotates, resize..etc I dont really even need two copies of the same photo I just need to present them with focus on what the picture is suppose to be of and not everything that was actually captured in it.. I was wondering if there was some kind of magical program that let me do that without editing and saving or if there is simply some quicker way of editing large ammoun |
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| 12:44.56 | SeanTater | user_: imagemagick can do a lot, but I don't remember it doing anything like that |
| 12:45.00 | user_ | most of the time I am outputting all files to the same format, compression, and size, if I had a button in gimp that just resized it to a fixed size and exported, compressed whatever the hell it needed to do without asking me every time that would save me a huge ammount of time |
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| 12:45.11 | enouf | manager: as said, +1 is right for each -- but see #grub and ask about the "map" option/command |
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| 12:45.35 | Illarane | Looks like I need to spend money on a PCMCIA sound card, then. >: ( |
| 12:46.15 | SeanTater | user_: I think I remember a action menu thingie in konqueror that did just that, just select a grillion pictures, unfortunately, I do not know it's name |
| 12:46.22 | user_ | well I know about imagemagick but the cropping and rotating I have to physically see each photo to know how it needs to be cropped or rotated.. if at all.. but as for the question of size, compression, do you really want to save, export, merge layers..etc all that shit is fixed information and thats like some 40 extra clicks just to size and save my file in gimp |
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| 12:46.43 | user_ | hmm wf is my nick user_, I set it when I logged in ffs |
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| 12:47.00 | user_ | oh.. heh I forgot to ghost myself first |
| 12:47.04 | user_ | doh |
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| 12:48.19 | tralala | nvz: pressing ctrl-s in gimp should save the pic without any questions |
| 12:48.32 | nvz | SeanTater: I am fine with opening them all up in gimp even as long as it doesnt ask me about exporting, merging layers, and my compression options all the damn time.. and I would really like it to just resize when it saves.. but even if I can cut out those two bothers duing saving, I can make a script to resize all images afterward |
| 12:48.42 | nvz | tralala: yeah save over the existing image |
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| 12:48.57 | nvz | tralala: these are only for slideshow purposes.. I still want the image as-is |
| 12:49.37 | tralala | nvz: cp originals slideshow -a; gimp slideshow/*; echo "Yesss!" |
| 12:49.46 | nvz | bah :P |
| 12:49.48 | Illarane | So, no-one's got any ideas as to why this isn't working? |
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| 12:50.25 | tralala | Illarane: you don't have the oss modules loaded do you? |
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| 12:50.36 | Illarane | No, I don't. |
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| 12:50.49 | nvz | choosing which ones I will use isnt that simple.. I use gqview and gimp together.. I view them and send them to gimp from gqview and edit then save to the slideshow folder as of right now |
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| 12:51.05 | nvz | I often have way more images then I want to edit |
| 12:51.18 | tralala | Illarane: and you have your speakers turned on and connected to the correct plug of the sound card? |
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| 12:51.25 | Illarane | It's a laptop, dear. |
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| 12:51.51 | Illarane | What did apt-get do now? |
| 12:52.01 | k31th | what gui text editors do syntax highlighting? |
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| 12:52.09 | Illarane | k31th: vim! |
| 12:52.11 | blondie | it's telling me to run apt-get update to correct a problem... when apt-get update IS the problem |
| 12:52.15 | nvz | I thought maybe gimp's script-fu could help.. but I didnt know if it could be used like that |
| 12:52.16 | SeanTater | blondie: dpkg -i man apt |
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| 12:52.29 | blondie | k31th: gedit |
| 12:52.31 | blondie | SeanTater: what? |
| 12:52.31 | SeanTater | blondie: :D |
| 12:52.45 | k31th | hum how do i turn it on ? :syntax on ? |
| 12:52.49 | d4t2ill4 | do you know why cdrecord wont scan bus when i do cdrecord -scanbus |
| 12:52.51 | SeanTater | blondie: dpkg (the bot) has an interecting trigger |
| 12:53.01 | Illarane | k31th: No idea... :s |
| 12:53.08 | tralala | nvz: I have written a small python script for rotating the image and resizing it to 800x600 (for web). I use this + gqview to put pictures online. In your case (cropping) it won't be that easy though. |
| 12:53.20 | Illarane | k31th: You need vim-scripts installed, though. |
| 12:53.36 | the_ugly | k31th: yes.. :syn on or edit your ~/.vimrc file |
| 12:53.52 | nvz | tralala: yeah if I got a picture of you and lassie and I am doing a slideshow on lassie I want to crop you out :P |
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| 12:55.00 | nvz | tralala: if lassie isnt fitting well proportionate on my screen due to angle of shot, I want to rotate to best view and then I got my slideshow image.. its the final steps that are being a PIMA |
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| 12:55.11 | Persilon | hey everyone |
| 12:55.27 | Persilon | does anybody know how can I get php_oci8 module for php5 with apt-get ? |
| 12:55.29 | tralala | nvz: I think you can do it easily in two-steps. 1) select it with gqview and copy it to slideshow (custom command on ctrl+5, let's say) and then gimp them |
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| 12:56.47 | nvz | tralala: the other thing that pisses me off is when I hit Ctrl+Shift+S it goes to the dir the file is in not the last one I saved to.. so then I have to hunt down the folder, hit save.. if I rotated I have to then hit export, then I have to hit ok on the damn format options compression..etc.. way too many extra clicks.. I need a magic macro to save to a certain location with a certain size, and options, exporting if nessicary. |
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| 12:58.09 | nvz | tralala: yeah it may be my method that is flawed. if I copy them to the slideshow dir first, and use a script to resize them all to the same size afterward that cuts out a few steps. still have to piss around with the exporting and compression dialogs though |
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| 12:58.42 | nvz | tralala: or no, if I use ctrl+s instead of ctrl+shift+s it wont ask |
| 12:58.51 | tralala | nvz: exactly |
| 12:59.23 | nvz | it will ask to export if I rotated, but usually export button is highlighted so I can just press enter unlike that other dialog where I have to hunt and click it every time |
| 13:00.36 | nvz | I need to make my own damn photo viewer app :P I got ideas that have not been thought of |
| 13:01.01 | tralala | nvz: you could also add another custom copy command to gqview which will copy and rotate it using image magic. Then all you need to do is crop it with gimp. |
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| 13:01.23 | nvz | like gqview is nice that if I rotate or flip/mirror in there and scroll through the files and come back or slideshow , it will still be the way I left it.. but it doesnt actually modify the file |
| 13:01.46 | nvz | I need to be able to crop, resize..etc like that and keep the info in some kind of index or database but not actually modify the file |
| 13:02.04 | nvz | just have view info database to tell it how to display the image. |
| 13:02.27 | tralala | that's a pretty interesting idea |
| 13:02.41 | nvz | tralala: gqview allows custom commands? |
| 13:02.47 | nvz | without recompiling :P |
| 13:03.27 | tralala | nvz: custom editors actually, but you can put any command there |
| 13:03.41 | nvz | ah, I recall that section now |
| 13:04.00 | nvz | I never thought about using it like that |
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| 13:05.13 | nvz | I still havent found any decent image viewer that keeps databases |
| 13:05.31 | nvz | all I have tried are shitty |
| 13:05.46 | Tomze | nvz ! |
| 13:06.03 | nvz | I'd much rather keep all my images in one place with random or numbered names, and have all the info in a database |
| 13:06.22 | nvz | instead I have to use filenames and paths cause I cant find a program I like |
| 13:06.32 | nvz | they all are two narrowly scoped |
| 13:06.59 | Tomze | tellico is ome sort of datebase... not sure if it handles pics |
| 13:07.22 | abrotman | nvz: f-spot? |
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| 13:07.34 | nvz | yeah well the idea with image collections is that is visual.. so you want all this crap in your viewer.. you want to be able to _SEE_ it |
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| 13:07.54 | tralala | This makes me think of python, sqlite and gqview as a viewing engine. Hmm, it's worthed a try |
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| 13:10.41 | abrotman | nvz: f-spot ? |
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| 13:12.59 | nvz | I've tried every image viewer tool in sarge at one point in time.. and gqview is the best by far but it leaves a lot to be desired.. but the more featureful ones implement their features in such a way they arent worth using |
| 13:13.08 | nvz | lag blows, btw |
| 13:13.30 | nvz | especially when it just keeps rising and you know you've lost the damn connection for some reason or another |
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| 13:14.13 | tralala | I love gqview for the keyboard shortcuts it has. |
| 13:15.06 | nvz | yeah I like it for a lot of reasons.. its simple and intuitive. it just gets the job done. |
| 13:15.13 | abrotman | nvz: f-spot ?? |
| 13:16.06 | nvz | I just realized the other day how many commands it had cause my one pc the scroll wheel doesnt work, and left(1) and middle(2) click go forward and back like scrolling (4 & 5) |
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| 13:17.42 | nvz | I have the same _exact_ mouse on both pcs and one scrolls and the other doesnt.. I am certain its a hardware problem though.. afterall they are Microsoft Intellimouse (Blue Optical Wheel package) |
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| 13:18.14 | nvz | I dont have the right tools to take it apart at home or I would have at least had a peek inside to see if it was fixable |
| 13:18.36 | Illarane | If anyone is still interested, then the details about my laptop + sound are up at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=29070#29070 |
| 13:18.51 | nvz | I used a set of nail clippers and that little metal child safty thing off a bic lighter to take 3 of 4 screws out, but the last one wouldnt come out :P |
| 13:19.14 | nvz | I had a good Macgiver moment, and then the last screw started stripping |
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| 13:20.08 | nvz | abrotman: wtf is f-spot? I am not getting any info on a package of that name |
| 13:20.20 | tralala | Illarane: how did you make it? |
| 13:21.08 | yuheng108 | xfontsel can't detect ttf-arphic-uming font, can someone help me? |
| 13:21.08 | Illarane | tralala: ? |
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| 13:21.41 | tralala | Illarane: oh, sorry - I thought you fixed it |
| 13:21.49 | Illarane | Heh, no. |
| 13:22.56 | nvz | I dont know how many times I've utilized that aggrivating piece of metal used as a child safty on bic lighters as a tool.. but one thing is certain its good to have a little piece of scrap metal around sometimes.. the HHGTTG never mentions it, but its far more useful than a towel on this planet |
| 13:23.07 | Illarane | I'm still quite narked that the wireles works without a single problem, and yet the sound is stubbornly refusing to even give me noise. |
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| 13:24.13 | yuheng108 | debhelper, xfontsel can't detect ttf-arphic-uming font, can someone help me? |
| 13:24.25 | damian_ | does anyone use the kaffeine-mozilla plugin? |
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| 13:26.34 | nvz | damian_: does it exist on an official debian repository? |
| 13:26.49 | damian_ | yes |
| 13:27.05 | damian_ | i'm pretty sure it does anyway |
| 13:27.16 | nvz | damian_: then obviously someone uses it, because they downloaded and packaged it |
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| 13:27.41 | damian_ | well i needed to ask a question about it |
| 13:27.48 | damian_ | and was wondering whether anyone here used it |
| 13:27.55 | nvz | interesting thing about our software packages.. is someone uses them all :P |
| 13:29.00 | tralala | damian_: /msg dpkg ask |
| 13:29.01 | Tomze | Illarane: i had problems with a similar chipset.. until i upgraded to sid... so i think its maybe a kernel or alsa issue |
| 13:29.29 | nvz | I shudder to think that someone uses certain packages though |
| 13:30.23 | damian_ | is dpkg a bot |
| 13:30.23 | nvz | I cant remember that one image viewer I am thinking of that had an incredibly aweful approach at organizing collections of photos.. but I think it was a qt app |
| 13:30.27 | tralala | dpkg: bot |
| 13:30.28 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 13:30.32 | Ciccio_ | sorry when compiling a kernel I needo apt-get even kernel-headers? |
| 13:30.32 | damian_ | oh ok |
| 13:30.32 | Tomze | Illarane: you culd try and get e kernel from SID.. or maybe pin alsa |
| 13:30.53 | damian_ | dpkg |
| 13:31.03 | damian_ | why does he refuse me |
| 13:31.13 | nvz | Ciccio_: no, kernel headers are included in the source |
| 13:31.22 | Ciccio_ | tnx |
| 13:31.30 | tralala | !tell damian_ ask |
| 13:31.42 | nvz | Ciccio_: the headers are packaged seperatly because they are the only part of the source needed to compile modules for the kernel after its been built |
| 13:31.50 | tralala | !tell damian_ -about ask |
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| 13:32.17 | Ciccio_ | ok don't know why there was a post about a problem about that but sounded strange to me so I asked :) still compiling... |
| 13:32.30 | nvz | Ciccio_: makes it easier on someone using their 9600baud modem to compile a driver for their non-standard punch card reader |
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| 13:32.40 | Ciccio_ | of course |
| 13:32.43 | Illarane | Tomze: pin? |
| 13:32.46 | meppl | gugu |
| 13:33.08 | tralala | Illarane: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 13:33.15 | Tomze | yep |
| 13:33.35 | nvz | heh I dont imagine there were even standards around when punch card readers were still being used as a reliable form of input |
| 13:34.07 | abrotman | nvz: it's not in sarge |
| 13:34.12 | nvz | of course there are modern forms of punch card readers still in use I am sure.. high-tech machines doing roughly the same thing |
| 13:34.24 | Tomze | Illarane: i had some nasty looking acpi errors in etch.. but sid works perfect for the laptop with similar problems |
| 13:34.28 | nvz | abrotman: I am using etch on this VM, and its not on here either |
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| 13:35.11 | Suprano | if i want to have uptodate software (php 5 and so on), which debian should i choose? sarge? stable ? or.. ? |
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| 13:35.34 | Illarane | Tomze: I've got some odd ACPI problems, too. It doesn't seem to be in the kernel at all. :s |
| 13:35.34 | nvz | Suprano: sarge is stable they are one in the same |
| 13:35.38 | zamolxes | Suprano: sarge IS stable. I would use sarge with dotdeb.org repositories |
| 13:35.45 | zamolxes | repository |
| 13:36.02 | Tomze | Suprano: or maybe sarge + backporst |
| 13:36.27 | abrotman | nvz: it was ... |
| 13:36.36 | Suprano | k |
| 13:36.38 | nvz | Suprano: if you want php5 I would do more investigating first.. php5 is available in debian but certain php5 modules may not be so I would look harder at what specifically you are looking for |
| 13:36.53 | Suprano | php5 was just an example |
| 13:37.09 | zamolxes | Suprano: you want a server? for a workstation etch is fine imo |
| 13:37.20 | Suprano | etch is what ? |
| 13:37.25 | nvz | yeah well vague examples arent going to cover what you actually need or want in practice |
| 13:37.28 | Suprano | as workstation.. |
| 13:37.46 | nvz | Suprano: etch is the testing branch, which will release as stable after sarge, when its completed |
| 13:38.11 | Suprano | ah |
| 13:38.12 | Suprano | k |
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| 13:38.29 | tralala | Suprano: I use sarge + backports for my desktop |
| 13:39.01 | Suprano | i think i'll do this to |
| 13:39.19 | Tomze | sarge + backports = failure http://tomse.dyndns.dk/tempus/sarge_backports/ ;) |
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| 13:39.39 | abrotman | did we lose gluck? |
| 13:39.41 | abrotman | topic |
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| 13:40.33 | nvz | Suprano: generally in debian new packages are added to Sid/Unstable and once they have behaved well (gone X days without release-critical bugs) they get moved into the testing distribution and once all packages in the testing distribution are playing nicely and all release-critical bugs have been squashed the testing branch is frozen and becomes stable, and only security fixes are added after that. |
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| 13:41.08 | `Kevin | we h ave a debian box that the origonal administrator never updated.. all of the software is out of date, and i am wondering how secure it is.. this is like a 2003 box with no updates, would a apt-get upgrade work or break things? |
| 13:41.37 | SlayerXP | `Kevin: depends what tree it's on. |
| 13:41.42 | Suprano | hm |
| 13:41.48 | SlayerXP | `Kevin: what does /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
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| 13:42.28 | Tomze | Suprano: etch runs great in most cases ! |
| 13:42.38 | `Kevin | looks like .. stable main non-free contrib |
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| 13:42.54 | nvz | Tomze: yeah but making diagonal lines is a bit of a trick |
| 13:43.11 | UK_PC_Convert | Hi all, Anyone help me setup SFTP on Debian 3.1? I have installed rssh and made that the default shell for that user |
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| 13:44.09 | baxi | hello, i have a (stupid ?!) question... why dose apache2 is shown in netstat only as tcp6 and i can use it with tcp4 ? |
| 13:44.13 | enouf | Tomze, Illarane: I use an 'acpi=force' option in my kernel line of grub's menu.lst -- but (one or another) of you may want to force it off (acpi=off) |
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| 13:45.04 | nvz | this is why I never could stake any interest in the Etch-a-Sketch because everything had to be horizontal or vertical and connected.. you couldnt lift the pen.. |
| 13:45.45 | Tomze | enouf: i dont wont to force anything ;) i just upgraded to SID and then acpi was fine.. but thanks :) |
| 13:47.04 | enouf | Tomze: me too ;-) Sid baby... but I use the force option b/c of a circa 2000 mobo that the kernel doesn't necessarily like - says too old -- but ACPI works fine |
| 13:47.12 | loumz | hey, anyone else having difficulties accessing lists.debian.org? |
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| 13:47.41 | Tomze | enouf: ahh.. so force can be a possitive thing i see :) |
| 13:47.47 | loumz | i get lists.debian.org [146.82.138.7] 80 (www) : No route to host |
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| 13:48.34 | enouf | Tomze: Yes indeed -- see some kernel parameters for future knowledge http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 |
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| 13:48.59 | Tomze | and the hole gets deeper |
| 13:49.07 | `Kevin | loumz: a traceroute shows the issues |
| 13:49.12 | enouf | ahhh Alice ;) |
| 13:49.22 | `Kevin | loumz: try 70.103.162.30 |
| 13:50.37 | enouf | gotta split now |
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| 13:51.54 | loumz | `Kevin: here's the traceroute results: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3316 |
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| 13:52.54 | lunaphyte_ | what X text editors are know to handle very large text files well? |
| 13:53.15 | lunaphyte_ | s/know/known/ |
| 13:53.30 | nvz | thats the dumbest BX quote I ever seen. gameboy had a Z80 only at most 8 buttons, and as far as I/O that could support a network it had maybe one serial port IIRC |
| 13:53.42 | `Kevin | loumz: 146.82.136.10 doesn't have a route to get to 146.82.138.7 |
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| 13:54.15 | jelly | nvz: there's also a message for C64 I think. |
| 13:54.24 | loumz | `Kevin: thanks. It works now after i put 70.103.162.30 in the hosts file. |
| 13:55.04 | nvz | yeah well the C64 could probably run BX, its at least got a keyboard and could more easily be put into a network. however it probably wouldnt meet memory requirements |
| 13:55.38 | nvz | but in any case its more believable |
| 13:56.03 | UK_PC_Convert | Anyone wanna helpme with my sftp setup :-( |
| 13:56.14 | nvz | I hate BX its fugly and those quotes just make its developers and users look like fools |
| 13:56.34 | `Kevin | loumz: your welcome :) |
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| 14:01.46 | nvz | oh well I am hungry, I forgot my thumbdrive.. I think its time to just go home and count my losses :P |
| 14:02.11 | McTheKnife | Hello, I have a question about starting an additional shell in a detached screen-session. I start with "screen -dmS mySession myScript.sh", but what do I have to do, if there should be a second shell inside of mySession? |
| 14:02.46 | nvz | I got my SD card from my mp3 player to save stuff on, but the damn mp3 player doesnt mount 9 times out of 10 for me, and I dont have a card reader at home.. not to mention the stuff I was going to work on, is already on my thumbdrive :P |
| 14:02.57 | jduggan | where would one get an install iso for stable amd64? |
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| 14:03.07 | Bitz | hi, on boot i get this message "can't allocate memory", what is wrong? |
| 14:03.49 | Tomze | Bitz: boot from ? running ? |
| 14:03.58 | nvz | Bitz: sounds like you are able to understand a negitive statement but unable to give a useful incident report. |
| 14:04.14 | nvz | thats my take on whats wrong there |
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| 14:04.51 | nvz | when reading kernel messages often the messages just before or after an error are more important, if only to provide some context if nothing else |
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| 14:05.04 | Patrick` | I'd like to print the specific version of an installed package |
| 14:05.58 | Patrick` | it's not a very specific term to search for in the manual |
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| 14:06.54 | McTheKnife | Sorry, I've been away for a minute. |
| 14:06.57 | Tomze | Patrick`: dpkg --status <package> ? or maybe dpkg -l |grep <package> ? |
| 14:06.57 | nvz | Patrick`: are you familiar with awk or a similar language? |
| 14:07.08 | Patrick` | l, perfect |
| 14:07.40 | Patrick` | I ended up with some random cvs packages blocking everything, figured it was easier to do that than to chase problems |
| 14:07.40 | Tomze | and ohh yes.. awk.. Patrick` |
| 14:08.33 | n9urk | in debian sarge I am getting this error when executing a php script "Call to undefined function mysql_connect()" I have installed php5-mysql. Do i need to install else? |
| 14:08.36 | Bitz | on bootup, the kernel reports "can't allocate memory" |
| 14:09.12 | Tomze | Bitz: boot from CD or harddisk? Debian sarge, etch, sid or ?.. details duuuude |
| 14:09.14 | Patrick` | ok, now ... this one will be a bonus if someone answers it |
| 14:09.41 | Patrick` | I have a package I want to replace with the latest version from the current lists, without removing anything that depends on it? |
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| 14:09.59 | Patrick` | (I installed some cvs packages and I can't upgrade them away) |
| 14:10.04 | Bitz | booting up a pre-install system from HD |
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| 14:10.48 | Tomze | Patrick`: im nt sure but i think dpkg can remove packages and leave dependecies |
| 14:10.50 | Patrick` | these are not core packages, I could remove them and temporarily do without the things that depend on them I guess |
| 14:10.53 | Bitz | it is a Scyld cluster OS |
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| 14:12.22 | Tomze | Patrick`: try dpkg --purge <package> it ight work |
| 14:12.30 | Patrick` | nah, I got it |
| 14:12.47 | Patrick` | download the deb, dpkg -i --force-downgrade |
| 14:12.52 | Patrick` | shoudl work |
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| 14:12.57 | Tomze | :) |
| 14:13.04 | iwilcox | Hi...I've got fs corruption issues with my backup drive (thankfully during a test), and I want to blame /something/ for peace of mind. It's an ext3 fs through a dm-crypt mapping on a USB drive. I suspect dm-crypt. Anyone got any ideas how one might go about blaming it? |
| 14:13.33 | Patrick` | blame the crypt |
| 14:13.38 | Patrick` | ext3 is pretty much as nails as it gets |
| 14:13.59 | iwilcox | Yeah. I'd like to prooooove it if I can though. |
| 14:14.36 | Bitz | Tomze: any suggestions? |
| 14:15.03 | iwilcox | Thing is, I can't think of a way that doesn't involve hacking the kernel. Need to check that each ext3 write reads back as ext3 thinks it should. |
| 14:15.09 | section31 | how can i display all users? |
| 14:15.34 | stew | section31: getent passwd |
| 14:15.52 | section31 | stew, thanks |
| 14:16.15 | stew | section31: if you need just the names, "genent passwd | cut -d: -f1" |
| 14:16.20 | McTheKnife | Hello, who do I add a new shell to a detached screen-session? I've started me screen-session with "screen -dmS mySession myScript.sh". |
| 14:16.36 | Tomze | Bitz: sarge? i would boot on kernel 2.6.. but come on.. you play around with clusters.. you dont want my "help" ;) |
| 14:16.46 | section31 | excellent...the reason i was asking was because i can't get this darn proftpd to work...keeps giving me authentication failed |
| 14:17.44 | GoAuLd | its necesary a configuration gui for proftpd |
| 14:17.48 | GoAuLd | like windows |
| 14:17.49 | Patrick` | finally |
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| 14:18.07 | Patrick` | that'll teach me to follow "just add these experimental repos then upgrade" instructions |
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| 14:18.15 | Patrick` | lots and lots of dpkg -l|grep cvs |
| 14:18.16 | Tomze | hehe |
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| 14:26.32 | McTheKnife | Has s.o. an idea regarding my screen problem? |
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| 14:28.57 | Janne_Doe | hi there |
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| 14:30.01 | Janne_Doe | I have just installed debian netinst and all works fine, but i can't have an internet connection to download all I need |
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| 14:30.45 | petemc | Janne_Doe: what method do you use to connect to the internet? |
| 14:31.00 | Janne_Doe | pppoeconf work but I can't do a ping to google... |
| 14:31.07 | Janne_Doe | nvidia nforce 3 adapter |
| 14:31.13 | Janne_Doe | ethernet connection |
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| 14:32.08 | petemc | Janne_Doe: do you see eth0 mentioned in ifconfig -a ? |
| 14:32.20 | Janne_Doe | I have visited lots of forums and each time the answer is "by an ethernet card" |
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| 14:32.56 | Janne_Doe | euh eth0 is metioned in pppoeconf so I supose... |
| 14:33.13 | Janne_Doe | (sorry I'm french) |
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| 14:33.35 | M0E-lnx | what do you get when you do pppoe-status? |
| 14:33.56 | Janne_Doe | I didn't try sorry |
| 14:34.05 | Pascat | Hellos! I'm having problems setting up my graphics card. The system has two of them, and I'd like to know...How do I know what's the BUS address for the graphics card I want to install? (ATI RADEON 7000) |
| 14:34.10 | Janne_Doe | but i can receive my ip adress |
| 14:34.14 | Janne_Doe | i think |
| 14:34.18 | Janne_Doe | with plog |
| 14:35.10 | M0E-lnx | The way I've done this is like this: |
| 14:35.25 | M0E-lnx | get a copy of RP PPPOE |
| 14:35.29 | M0E-lnx | install it, |
| 14:35.31 | Janne_Doe | but zhen i try to make a ping too www.google.com it doesn't work |
| 14:35.40 | M0E-lnx | and then pppoe-setup |
| 14:35.57 | Janne_Doe | ok thanks |
| 14:36.04 | Janne_Doe | I must reboot to try |
| 14:36.12 | Janne_Doe | be right back |
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| 14:36.35 | jelly | Pascat: if lspci says eg. 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01), bus id is probably 2:0:0 |
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| 14:37.01 | jelly | Pascat: err, make that 0:2:0 :-| |
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| 14:37.43 | Pascat | Okay... let me go check and I'll come back to you! |
| 14:38.08 | cydork | !tell Pascat about ati |
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| 14:38.41 | signuts | Anyone ever use djb's supervise program to run scripts? I am using it but when I do svc -d /service/myprog it doesn't die! |
| 14:38.51 | signuts | I hope fellers don't care about me asking here |
| 14:38.57 | Mr_Morden | is there something like a mini-pc with that can act as router/firewall/dhcp server? My router can only handle 200 concurrent connections so I'm looking for something without limit |
| 14:39.28 | Pascat | 01:0a.0 O.o |
| 14:39.49 | Pascat | That's the number it gives me |
| 14:40.11 | raz0 | Mr_Morden, #openwrt |
| 14:40.21 | cydork | Pascat: /msg dpkg ati |
| 14:40.24 | Mr_Morden | thx raz0 |
| 14:40.29 | jelly | Pascat: 0000:02:00.0 -> 0:2:0 I think. You have xxxx:01:0a.0 so -> x:1:a ? |
| 14:41.35 | nvz | Mr_Morden: use your linux box as a NAT Firewall Router with dhcp services? |
| 14:42.34 | Mr_Morden | nvz: I'm looking also for something not as bulky as my computer and not as high energy consumption :) |
| 14:42.56 | Pascat | I'll try that! x:1:a? O.o |
| 14:43.12 | jelly | Pascat: hmm, sorry again, it seems to be really 1:a:0 . xorg finds my card (from Xorg.0.log) as PCI:*(2:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] [...] |
| 14:43.37 | Pascat | okay |
| 14:43.39 | nvz | Mr_Morden: *shrug* seems to me like you wouldnt need a router if you werent going to use a computer.. heh |
| 14:43.44 | Pascat | well, a is a number... its 10 ;) |
| 14:43.47 | nvz | Mr_Morden: since you are using them anyway.. |
| 14:43.56 | nvz | might as well have one routing packets |
| 14:44.08 | jelly | Pascat: I don't know if xorg takes busids in dec or hex. |
| 14:44.31 | Mr_Morden | nvz: well, I don't want to have my computer run all the time ... but there are others that use their computers when I don't use mine... :) |
| 14:45.10 | nvz | hmm I let both my computers run all the time, I hate to turn them off.. but then again.. I dont pay the electric bill :P |
| 14:45.19 | nvz | its included in my rent |
| 14:45.33 | cydork | nvz: same here :P |
| 14:45.49 | jelly | Pascat: xorg.conf man page says: This information can usually be found by running the Xorg server with the -scanpci command line option. |
| 14:46.01 | Mr_Morden | nvz: well, I have to pay my electric bill ^^ |
| 14:46.12 | nvz | that sucks |
| 14:46.32 | Mr_Morden | nvz: I can have the bill sent to you *grin* |
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| 14:47.19 | nvz | I cant imagine how stressed out I would be if I had to worry about any more bills. I am stressed enough over rent, cell phone, credit card, school bills, hospital bills. |
| 14:47.56 | Mr_Morden | scratch the hospital bills for me and add the electricity one ^^ |
| 14:47.58 | Daishi | what do you use to play midis or mmf/smaf ? |
| 14:48.29 | nvz | my hospital bill isnt that big and you can probably get away with not paying those :P |
| 14:48.40 | Daishi | like something simple, not something that wants to output to a midi device |
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| 14:48.59 | Mr_Morden | oh, I forgot: I don't have hospital bills but health insurance bills ^^ |
| 14:49.07 | nvz | I just got a bill for going to the emergency room a few months ago |
| 14:49.11 | Mr_Morden | actually the state currently pays that ^^ |
| 14:49.25 | ircmaster | I`m from turkey. |
| 14:49.27 | ircmaster | :)) |
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| 14:49.32 | ircmaster | How are you? |
| 14:49.34 | ircmaster | O yeah |
| 14:49.51 | nvz | well I gotta go now, either that or I gotta ride my bike back across town.. and it was early morning when I came.. its mid afternoon and during a heat wave right now :P |
| 14:50.22 | RudyValencia | Hi, are there any repositories like "universe"/"multiverse" in Ubuntu, but for Debian? |
| 14:50.24 | Mr_Morden | nvz: have fun |
| 14:50.26 | Ronin | RudyValencia: no |
| 14:50.31 | RudyValencia | Oh. |
| 14:50.48 | Ronin | RudyValencia: what were you looking for? |
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| 14:51.16 | RudyValencia | Packages that are not necessarily DFSG-compliant, like MP3 playback, video codecs, etc. |
| 14:51.31 | petemc | !tell RudyValencia about debian-multimedia |
| 14:52.12 | RudyValencia | Thanks. |
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| 14:56.43 | McTheKnife | Ok, I try it again. Do s.o. knows how to add a new shell to a detached screen-session? I've started me screen-session with "screen -dmS mySession myScript.sh". |
| 14:58.00 | Tomze | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.44 | McTheKnife | Tomze: ok, thank you |
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| 15:01.25 | vosti | is it possibile to change dependencies ("on the fly") of a prebuild debian package? |
| 15:02.14 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:03.57 | jelly | vosti: if you really know what you're doing, you can unpack the package, make necessary changes to the control file and pack it back. |
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| 15:05.39 | vosti | jelly, there isn't a tool to do that immediatly? |
| 15:05.46 | p3rti | anybody know why when i make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't touch the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 15:07.17 | jelly | vosti: not that I know of, this isn't something that is done often. It isn't hard to type the necessary 4 commands though. |
| 15:07.35 | vosti | jelly, ok, thanks |
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| 15:08.17 | p3rti | anybody know why when i make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't touch the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 15:08.34 | roger21 | hi |
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| 15:08.52 | roger21 | how can i say to module-assistant to du a reinstall |
| 15:08.55 | roger21 | do |
| 15:09.07 | roger21 | when used with prepare |
| 15:09.17 | jelly | p3rti: it thinks there were manual changes made to the file and doesn't do anything. |
| 15:09.37 | pack | p3rti: there's some file that holds a hash of the original xorg.conf file, and unless you're current xorg.conf file has the same hash it won't make any changes. |
| 15:09.51 | pack | p3rti: i forget the file though (sorry) |
| 15:10.01 | p3rti | pack, np |
| 15:10.06 | jelly | p3rti: /msg dpkg drxx and /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 15:12.01 | ofer0 | I want to authenticate a user over the network without sending his plain-text password over the network. How to do it? |
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| 15:13.44 | chikky | i get this after compiling linuxdc++. "(ldcpp:18836): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file '/usr/bin/glade/mainwindow.glade' |
| 15:13.47 | chikky | Error: Missing required glade file: /usr/bin/glade/mainwindow.glade |
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| 15:14.03 | ofer0 | chicken_Fire, the ./configure went okay? |
| 15:14.12 | ofer0 | oops, i meant chikky |
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| 15:14.53 | chicken_Fire | ?? |
| 15:14.55 | cyzie | i have the command , say btdownloadcurses, how do i know which package it come from ? |
| 15:14.56 | chicken_Fire | ok |
| 15:16.00 | chikky | ofer0: I noticed. It's the link (which I created) that searchs the current path (/usr/bin/glade) instead of where it points to (/usr/local/installed/ldcpp/glade). |
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| 15:16.43 | chikky | so it works when I open from inside the correct folder. How do I make a link that works then? |
| 15:16.49 | ofer0 | chikky, maybe you can edit the configure script so it will fit your directorires |
| 15:17.10 | Zaib | guys wht is command santax for "update-rc.d" to add an script only at startup and not at shutdown time ? "update-rc.d script defaults" is running it at startup as well as shutdown time ? |
| 15:17.18 | chikky | ofer0: after 5 hours of compiling? no thanks... |
| 15:17.31 | ofer0 | chikky, 5 hours??! |
| 15:18.19 | madssj | hi all, i have a problem with a debian amd64, when trying to setup a mixed system (stable/testing) it simply ignores my default-release and my pinning (preferences stable=700, testing=300) - can anyone push me back on track? |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | Zaib: man update-rc.d |
| 15:19.02 | ofer0 | I want to authenticate a user over the network without sending his plain-text password over the network. How to do it? |
| 15:19.03 | chikky | can't I make a link that calls /usr/local/include/ldcpp |
| 15:19.18 | madssj | ofer0, use ssh? |
| 15:19.30 | ofer0 | madssj, how exactly? |
| 15:19.33 | chikky | ofer0: its a 200 mhz box |
| 15:19.35 | Zaib | abrotman: checked it cudnt figure out ... thats why i asked |
| 15:19.48 | sussudio | !dict cud |
| 15:19.50 | madssj | ofer0, you want to login over the network from a remote machine - yes? |
| 15:19.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'cud' (4 of 7): 2. A portion of tobacco held in the mouth and chewed; a quid. [Low] ;; a wad of something chewable as tobacco ;; Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. --Levit. xi. 3 ;; To chew the cud, to ruminate; to meditate; used with of; as, to chew the cud of bitter memories.. |
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| 15:20.13 | ofer0 | madssj, now, I want to authenticate on one computer an account which can only be found on another computer |
| 15:20.23 | ofer0 | madssj, now = no |
| 15:20.25 | Jenkens | madssj: what do you have your pinning info in? |
| 15:20.55 | madssj | Jenkens, /etc/apt/preferences - have also tried with apt-get -t stable upgrade wich it also ignores |
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| 15:21.25 | Jenkens | madssj: if you do apt-cache policy pkgname what do you get for pinning info there? |
| 15:21.43 | Jenkens | does it show 700 for stable and 300 for testing? |
| 15:21.47 | madssj | ofer0, ssh can do that, have a look at ssh public/private key authentication |
| 15:21.53 | madssj | Jenkens, hold on |
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| 15:22.44 | Jenkens | also i've found setting Apt::Get::default-release seems to muck up any security updates, because stable/security != 'stable' |
| 15:23.21 | Jenkens | wow kde 3.5.4 is already in the unstable repos |
| 15:23.26 | Jenkens | that was blickity blickin fast. |
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| 15:24.20 | azeem | [2006-07-28] Accepted 4:3.5.4-1 in unstable (low) (Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers) |
| 15:25.33 | Jenkens | azeem: where do you see that? i was just checking packages.debian.org/kde |
| 15:25.34 | Jenkens | or kdebase, even |
| 15:25.34 | azeem | http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase.html |
| 15:25.34 | madssj | Jenkens, doing a policy on a random package (ntpdate) only shows stable at pin 700 |
| 15:25.34 | madssj | and 100 /var/lib/... |
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| 15:25.39 | fourat | is there any gaim plugin to enable talking over jabber with gmail talk ? |
| 15:25.50 | Jenkens | madssj: sounds right.. |
| 15:26.01 | Jenkens | but no pin for testing? |
| 15:26.11 | madssj | not on that package |
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| 15:26.20 | Jenkens | madssj: this is my pin info and a package policy: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase.html |
| 15:26.24 | Jenkens | err |
| 15:26.27 | Jenkens | http://pastebin.ca/111941 |
| 15:26.48 | madssj | if i choose another package (grub) i get all three pins |
| 15:26.53 | Jenkens | k |
| 15:26.55 | shingouz | fourat: check the google talk website, they have full instrtuctions on how to make gaim work with google. no additional packages or plugins needed, just configure it right |
| 15:27.03 | Jenkens | and testing is pinned at 300 or whatever? |
| 15:27.08 | madssj | jup |
| 15:27.16 | Jenkens | so what was the problem again |
| 15:27.25 | Jenkens | you can't update anything coming out of the testing repos? |
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| 15:28.34 | madssj | Jenkens, when i run a upgrade, it chooses packages from testing |
| 15:28.59 | Jenkens | ok |
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| 15:29.03 | fourat | shingouz, yes but it doesnt support talking |
| 15:29.20 | Jenkens | madssj: set your pin for testing to -10 |
| 15:29.24 | Jenkens | and try again |
| 15:29.29 | shingouz | fourat: talking? as in voice? |
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| 15:29.40 | Jenkens | -10 tells apt-get not to install any packages from that repository unless explicitly stated. |
| 15:29.43 | fourat | voice |
| 15:29.45 | Jenkens | well, anything under 0 does |
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| 15:29.55 | madssj | http://pastebin.ca/111944 <- the current configuration |
| 15:30.04 | madssj | alright |
| 15:30.07 | finn23 | how do I find out if I have svg support in my installed GTK ? |
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| 15:30.22 | madssj | wee |
| 15:30.25 | madssj | thans Jenkens :) |
| 15:30.42 | Jenkens | that fix it? |
| 15:30.44 | shingouz | fourat: good point... i have not had time to fuxx0r with it too much yet, maybe some other jabber client would support voice too? gaim does not have voice or webcam support for anything yet afaik |
| 15:31.04 | madssj | Jenkens, jup |
| 15:31.06 | Jenkens | cool |
| 15:31.14 | madssj | in deed |
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| 15:31.37 | finn23 | hmm |
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| 15:33.18 | Jenkens | damnit, i've forgotten how to show what tags a package comes with.. |
| 15:33.42 | Jenkens | gah |
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| 15:36.02 | thyko | what port shoul clamav be running on for amavis to see it? |
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| 15:36.18 | Mazingaro | I need a cam to work on linux... Is there a full compatible model/brand? |
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| 15:36.34 | jelly | thyko: are they on the same machine? |
| 15:36.39 | thyko | yes |
| 15:36.40 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 15:37.53 | petemc | thyko: i use a socket |
| 15:37.55 | fourat | shingouz, do you know any other "mature" jabber clients ? |
| 15:38.00 | petemc | works fine, tho i dont use amavis |
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| 15:38.25 | Jenkens | hrm odd... |
| 15:38.37 | thyko | jelly: http://rafb.net/paste/results/L0Y74W79.html |
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| 15:39.25 | jelly | thyko: you can use local socket then. have you read /usr/share/doc/amavisd-new/NEWS.Debian.gz? esp. the "add the clamav user to the amavis group." part. |
| 15:40.26 | thyko | jelly: dpkg-reconfigure clamav-base |
| 15:40.31 | thyko | that did it! |
| 15:40.54 | Jenkens | odd, grub isn't in my repos's |
| 15:40.55 | jelly | thyko: nice, that probably did "adduser virtual amavis". |
| 15:41.46 | Jenkens | ahh duh |
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| 15:48.22 | section31 | how do I broadcast a message to all logged in users |
| 15:48.32 | petemc | wall |
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| 15:49.23 | Zaib | i want to put installer script at system startup only from my livecd and when its done its job it shud not be called again when system is going to reboot ?? how do i do that ? adding it via "update-rc.d installer.sh defaults" will make it run twice |
| 15:49.32 | roger21 | i deleted files i shouldn't have deleted, how can i know which are the packages to reinstall, is there a command which make a diff betwwen the actual filetree and should-be filetree in relation with installed packages base ? |
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| 15:50.55 | Zaib | the script just contains a call to my installer . |
| 15:52.32 | cydork | roger21: you can try debsums |
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| 15:53.22 | shazow | Hi, I don't have a lot of experience with debian -- is it safe to run a command like `apt-get upgrade apache2` if I want to upgrade to the latest version of apache? |
| 15:53.34 | Dante^^ | hi, has anybody tried the new debian zope2.9/plone2.5 packages? |
| 15:53.35 | shazow | or should I be running apt-get install apache2 (I already have apache2 installed, just an older version) |
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| 15:53.46 | JoshH | shazow, the latter |
| 15:53.52 | reikon | What's /dev/core? |
| 15:54.08 | stew | shazow: "apt-get install apache2" "install" means "install or upgrade", "upgrade" takes no arguments and menas "upgrade ALL possible packages" |
| 15:54.20 | shazow | stew, joshH: Ah, thanks, that's what I suspected |
| 15:54.48 | Eulex | shazow, well, if you're running sarge, the version of apache2 will never be updated. if you're running testing or unstable, an update to the latest will eventually come, but hasn't yet |
| 15:55.18 | Jenkens | blah de blah |
| 15:55.27 | stew | Eulex: apache2 in sarge could be updated |
| 15:55.35 | shazow | Eulex: According to apt-get install apache2 though, it says there is something to update, from 2.0.54 to 2.0.54-5 or something to that effect |
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| 15:56.38 | Eulex | stew & shazow, I mean to a new upstream release. of course security updates will go into it, but as backports. so, you'll never see a newer version that 2.0.54 in sarge. |
| 15:57.07 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.16 | reikon | For future reference: /dev/core is a symbolic link to /proc/kcore which is read-only access to physical memory |
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| 15:58.06 | shazow | Has anyone had any trouble with not being able to stop apache2 stable? when I do /etc/init.d/apache2 stop, it fails, I talked to #apache and they have no idea |
| 15:58.27 | Eulex | well, maybe, if you give us the actual error messages |
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| 15:59.19 | shazow | Eulex: "Apache2 failed to honor the stop command, please investigate the situation by hand." when I do /etc/init.d/apache2 stop, and error.log says [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
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| 15:59.34 | Eulex | shazow, hmm, sorry, no idea |
| 15:59.40 | Eulex | shazow, googled it? |
| 15:59.53 | Eulex | shazow, and what arch is this, btw? |
| 15:59.57 | shazow | Eulex: yes, but can't find anything in the same context |
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| 16:00.04 | shazow | Eulex: x86 |
| 16:00.15 | zinx | shazow: sounds like apache's just taking a long time to shut down |
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| 16:00.16 | Eulex | shazow, ok, strange. |
| 16:00.17 | roger21 | thx cydork i try that |
| 16:00.21 | shazow | only thing that seems to fix apache2 after trying to do a stop is a shutdown -r now |
| 16:00.35 | roger21 | i'm trying* |
| 16:00.51 | shazow | zinx: If it's any help, there's a zombie process after I stop it owned by www-data, and a non-zombie apache process owned by root, /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL |
| 16:01.27 | Eulex | shazow, zombie process? that doesn't sound good at all... |
| 16:01.33 | zinx | shazow: probably some module or script you have installed, then |
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| 16:01.59 | shazow | zinx: That's possible -- only thing I've been doing since it started is playing around mod_python and i installed tomcat, but that's independent of apache |
| 16:02.43 | Eulex | shazow, try disabling mod_python? |
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| 16:02.57 | shazow | Eulex: disabled it, apt-get removed it, no effect |
| 16:03.06 | Eulex | shazow, hmm, ok |
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| 16:03.56 | shazow | The proc list looks like (after trying a stop): root ... /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL, www-data ... [apache2] <defunct> |
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| 16:04.57 | shazow | so it starts up fine, it just can't stop... and the weirder thing is if I do a kill -9 on the root process (it takes the zombie with it) and then do /etc/init.d/apache2 start, apache2 will start fine, but http://localhost/ is not responding (until i do a full reboot) |
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| 16:05.58 | rockstar_ | Redhat saves the iptables rules in /etc/sysconfig/iptables when it starts. Where does debian keep them? |
| 16:06.33 | Fox | rockstar_: /var/lib/iptables/ |
| 16:07.01 | rockstar_ | Fox, thanks |
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| 16:11.22 | fbhjr | win 3 |
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| 16:18.36 | roger21 | isn't there a base-config package in etch ? |
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| 16:18.48 | roger21 | or what does replace it ? |
| 16:18.49 | azeem | roger21: no, it is no longer needed |
| 16:19.03 | azeem | roger21: what part of base-config do you need? |
| 16:19.05 | roger21 | oh |
| 16:19.09 | lukaswayne9 | If the same package is located in two repositories, how can I choose to install from a certain repo? |
| 16:19.16 | roger21 | about locales |
| 16:19.22 | azeem | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:19.33 | roger21 | ok thx |
| 16:21.36 | yang | is anyone using dds2tar? |
| 16:23.32 | jelly | lukaswayne9: order the repositories in sources.list differently? :-) |
| 16:24.39 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.58 | lukaswayne9 | enouf: thanks |
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| 16:27.12 | shriphani | people i got a question to ask |
| 16:27.39 | shriphani | i got a debian cd from one of the mirrors |
| 16:27.59 | shriphani | i dont know whether it shall be sufficient for me |
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| 16:28.12 | shriphani | because the listing shows 14 cds |
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| 16:28.33 | Ronin | shriphani: you can do an install with one cd then use apt-get to get the rest |
| 16:28.38 | shriphani | ok |
| 16:28.42 | shriphani | and yeh |
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| 16:29.04 | shriphani | i am a linux beginner using ubuntu. would you recommend debian to me ? |
| 16:29.23 | Ronin | of course we would, just that we'd recommend debian :) |
| 16:29.40 | shriphani | erm even if i am a beginner ? |
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| 16:30.00 | cydork | Ronin: will you handle him ?? :P |
| 16:30.01 | shriphani | i havent heard good beginner experiences with debian thats why |
| 16:30.09 | Ronin | why not? sure ubuntu is taliored more to beginners but sarge is pretty easy |
| 16:30.13 | Ronin | cydork: to a point :) |
| 16:30.15 | shriphani | ok |
| 16:30.32 | Ronin | too hot and humid today to be at anything too long |
| 16:30.39 | shriphani | thanks a lot folks |
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| 16:31.06 | Ronin | any bets how long till they come back? |
| 16:31.29 | cydork | they?? |
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| 16:32.43 | Ronin | i say 2 hours when they can't get x up heh, that was my first what the heck, when i tried debian |
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| 16:33.36 | diesel | How do I save my iptables rules so that the rules will be applied after every reboot? |
| 16:33.47 | rockstar_ | diesel, iptables-save |
| 16:34.02 | Eclipser | iptables-restore to restore them |
| 16:34.12 | diesel | rockstar_: yes, this saves my rules to a file |
| 16:35.30 | jelly | diesel: there had been an init script in Debian but it was removed. If you still want to use that, it's in /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 16:36.32 | roxy_ | I am writing my firewall table. What port do I have to open for dhcp and is it tcp or udp ? |
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| 16:37.45 | jelly | roxy_: first link on google search: dhcp iptables |
| 16:38.09 | roxy_ | jelly: how can I know if it uses 67 or 68 ? |
| 16:38.39 | diesel | I saw on the net that i would want to add "post-up iptables-restore < /savediprulesfile" to /etc/network/interfaces. Is this a good way to do it? |
| 16:38.43 | jelly | roxy_: I'd sniff it with tcpdump. |
| 16:39.37 | jelly | roxy_: do ifconfig ethX up; tcpdump -n -iethX & and then start a dhcp client. |
| 16:40.09 | roxy_ | diesel: this is what I am following, you've different options: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-setup |
| 16:40.19 | roxy_ | jelly: thanks |
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| 16:41.52 | jelly | roxy_: that's a general advice for figuring out what ports does a protocol use. You can also save the dump to a file and inspect it later with a more friendly app. like ethereal |
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| 16:45.35 | roxy_ | in the script I got a line: "for PORT in $REMOTE_TCP_SERVICES; do" how REMOTE_TCP_SERVICES should be define ? |
| 16:46.11 | roxy_ | like: "REMOTE_TCP_SERVICES={"22" "44"} ? |
| 16:47.35 | roger21 | azeem, and in order to set hostname and dn what is the package to reconfigure ? |
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| 16:51.07 | Thelma | :) |
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| 16:53.40 | M0E-lnx | hey guys... what's a good vnc viewer app that runs a GUI? |
| 16:54.10 | rockstar_ | I've got a vtun connection set up, and I want to pipe my data through it. However, I need to set up my iptables on the server end of the vtun to route traffic to the internal network... |
| 16:54.35 | M0E-lnx | what's vtun? |
| 16:54.41 | rockstar_ | Like vpn. |
| 16:54.49 | N0S3 | M0E-lnx virtual device |
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| 16:55.00 | M0E-lnx | ahhh |
| 16:55.14 | rockstar_ | I use it, because it's self healing, and I have it on my laptop so that any wireless connection I hop on has all data encrypted... |
| 16:55.15 | N0S3 | M0E-lnx this it is used by openvpn |
| 16:55.17 | N0S3 | ;) |
| 16:55.22 | rockstar_ | Very useful when wardriving. |
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| 16:55.46 | rockstar_ | N0S3, openvpn uses it? |
| 16:56.27 | M0E-lnx | does anyone know how can I connect to a remote pc via ssh? |
| 16:56.56 | N0S3 | rockstar_: yes |
| 16:57.01 | N0S3 | rockstar_: i use it |
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| 16:57.07 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: ssh <host> |
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| 16:57.33 | M0E-lnx | does the host need to do anything to start a session? |
| 16:57.58 | rockstar_ | M0E-lnx, nope, brings everything up automatically. |
| 17:00.02 | M0E-lnx | ssh command not found |
| 17:00.29 | roger21 | apt-get install ssh |
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| 17:01.51 | abrotman | or openssh-client |
| 17:01.56 | M0E-lnx | got it... thans |
| 17:02.10 | rockstar_ | N0S3, what did you do on your server's end to set up the gateway? Most of the howtos I've read are overkill. |
| 17:02.16 | M0E-lnx | mmm.. |
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| 17:02.24 | jelly | roxy_: REMOTE_TCP_SERVICES="22 44" |
| 17:02.26 | M0E-lnx | well, what I was trying to do really is a vnc session |
| 17:02.36 | M0E-lnx | ssh is only gonna give me CLI right? |
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| 17:03.05 | linuxboy | how does debian know to install i386 packages and not amd64 ? |
| 17:03.34 | AciD | linuxboy > check source.list |
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| 17:04.00 | jelly | AciD: wtf? architecture doesn't depend on sources.list. |
| 17:04.10 | linuxboy | jelly: thats what I thought |
| 17:04.30 | linuxboy | jelly: what does it depend on? |
| 17:04.47 | jelly | linuxboy: this is determined on installation, it you installed i386, you have i386 and that's it. Never mind the actual hardware. |
| 17:04.54 | linuxboy | ok |
| 17:05.01 | linuxboy | what config file is set to i386? |
| 17:05.08 | linuxboy | ie, how does apt know to get i386 packages |
| 17:05.31 | jelly | linuxboy: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 17:05.42 | linuxboy | aaah |
| 17:06.00 | linuxboy | where does it get it from? |
| 17:06.01 | abrotman | linuxboy: dpkg-architecture |
| 17:06.09 | zinx | i believe it's compiled in |
| 17:06.12 | jelly | linuxboy: it's compiled in! |
| 17:06.17 | jelly | probably |
| 17:06.22 | linuxboy | hardcoded ? |
| 17:06.24 | zinx | dpkg-architecture is for building packages |
| 17:06.25 | abrotman | linuxboy: if you're thinking of changing it .. it's probably a bad idea |
| 17:06.30 | zinx | yeah, you don't want to change it |
| 17:06.32 | abrotman | zinx: still shows it |
| 17:06.35 | zinx | you'll f' your system up big time |
| 17:06.39 | linuxboy | abrotman: I'm not |
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| 17:07.12 | jelly | linuxboy: it currently makes no sense for it to be anything else but hardcoded. |
| 17:07.42 | linuxboy | jelly: ja |
| 17:07.44 | linuxboy | k, thanks |
| 17:07.49 | jelly | not like the underlying hardware is going to magically transform into sparc. |
| 17:07.55 | jelly | or amd64 |
| 17:07.58 | jelly | no, wait ;-) |
| 17:08.04 | linuxboy | heh |
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| 17:10.27 | kasper | if 'lsusb' shows: "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:0850 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web" and i've installed qc-usb-modules qc-usb-utils why will xawtv or webcam or any other program not open /dev/video0? |
| 17:10.38 | linuxboy | thanks guys |
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| 17:13.29 | M0E-lnx | hey guys... |
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| 17:13.43 | dn4 | how can I watch http://vid1.etn.fm:8150/;stream.nsv <--- in linux |
| 17:13.47 | dn4 | any ideas? |
| 17:14.00 | M0E-lnx | how can I start the vncserver remotely? |
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| 17:14.43 | jelly | dn4: vlc asks me for a http login/password. |
| 17:15.32 | rockstar_ | M0E-lnx, I always ssh in first. I pipe vnc through ssh though anyway. |
| 17:15.52 | M0E-lnx | how do I do that though?/ |
| 17:16.08 | M0E-lnx | I'm connected via ssh |
| 17:16.48 | jelly | dn4: mplayer and xine say "401 Service unavailable". Does in work in something other than Linux? |
| 17:17.08 | dn4 | jelly, the server should go up at 1pm CST I believe |
| 17:17.26 | rockstar_ | M0E-lnx, I guess it depends on what server you're running. Might look in /etc/init.d/ for a startup script. |
| 17:18.14 | jelly | dn4: well, those are your bets: mplayer, xine and vlc. |
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| 17:18.14 | the_mug | howdy all |
| 17:18.14 | dn4 | vlc? |
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| 17:18.19 | M0E-lnx | ohh crap.. |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | !vlc |
| 17:18.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
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| 17:18.33 | M0E-lnx | well, I'm running debian here.,.. but connecto via ssh to my slackware box at home |
| 17:18.36 | the_mug | does anyone know when Ruby 1.8.4 will be released to the main (stable) repos? |
| 17:18.48 | azeem | the_mug: when etch releases, probably |
| 17:19.02 | the_mug | azeem: as in December? |
| 17:19.06 | azeem | yes |
| 17:19.12 | M0E-lnx | december? |
| 17:19.13 | stew | the_mug: december at the earliest |
| 17:19.18 | the_mug | I guess I can wait that long.. :-) |
| 17:19.30 | stew | !siyh |
| 17:19.30 | azeem | the_mug: what's wrong with 1.8.2? |
| 17:19.31 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 17:19.37 | the_mug | do you guys know what the holdup is? |
| 17:19.46 | azeem | the_mug: the bugs |
| 17:20.25 | the_mug | Well I was installing Typo 4.0 and it 'requires' 1.8.4 ... but it's not critical at this point.. it's just to upgrade my personal blog. |
| 17:20.36 | jelly | the_mug: it's not ruby's fault, that's the expected date for next Debian release. |
| 17:20.39 | abrotman | you could ask #debian-ruby if there's a backport somewhere |
| 17:20.40 | azeem | maybe check backports.org |
| 17:20.41 | M0E-lnx | rockstar: shouldn't I be able to do [export DISPLAY=myhostatwork:0] ?? |
| 17:20.50 | abrotman | azeem: it's not there under the /r/ or /libr/ |
| 17:20.54 | azeem | ok |
| 17:20.54 | M0E-lnx | and then view my desktop using something like xming? |
| 17:21.01 | stew | !siyh is also if you want to know how to help debian go to http://qa.debian.org or http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 17:21.01 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 17:21.37 | the_mug | abrotman: If I REALLY needed I would just compile it from source but it's no biggie... it was more a question of release cycles for Debian... |
| 17:21.46 | jelly | M0E-lnx: what are you trying to do, connect to an already existing X session? |
| 17:21.57 | M0E-lnx | yes |
| 17:22.28 | jelly | M0E-lnx: there's x0vncserver for that. |
| 17:22.32 | the_mug | so from what I'm understanding nothing is released to stable until .. each new revision of Debian is released? (that doesn't sound right. please correct me) |
| 17:22.37 | abrotman | the_mug: see debian.org/releases for some info about how it works |
| 17:22.41 | jnguy | Hello all. |
| 17:22.42 | M0E-lnx | but I need to fire it up remotely |
| 17:22.52 | M0E-lnx | connecting debian to slackware |
| 17:22.53 | jnguy | Is there a way to determine which packages were last installed. |
| 17:22.59 | the_mug | abrotman: I will. thanks |
| 17:23.01 | jnguy | eg dpkg -l... with dates. |
| 17:23.03 | abrotman | jnguy: which version of debian ? |
| 17:23.07 | azeem | the_mug: stable is only updated with security updates and critical bug fixes |
| 17:23.08 | jelly | the_mug: that's about right. stable gets only security fixes, no new versions or even normal bug fixes. |
| 17:23.12 | jnguy | actually ubuntu |
| 17:23.15 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 17:23.18 | jnguy | hahaha. |
| 17:23.22 | jnguy | fair enough. |
| 17:23.37 | jnguy | how do you do it in debian 3r1? |
| 17:24.54 | stew | jnguy: there is no easy way to do it in 3.0 or 3.1 you'd have to look at file creation times maybe |
| 17:24.55 | jelly | M0E-lnx: this is what I do: on remote machine, run env DISPLAY=:0 x0vncserver & then get somehow to that vnc. |
| 17:25.14 | M0E-lnx | mmm |
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| 17:25.32 | abrotman | jnguy: this is why you should ask #ubuntu |
| 17:26.02 | jnguy | ah. Thanks. |
| 17:26.15 | jnguy | abrotman: I use debian at home, which is why I'm curious. Thanks though. |
| 17:26.36 | abrotman | jnguy: right .. but ubuntu could have patched their version of dpkg to do what you're asking |
| 17:27.04 | jnguy | yeah. In ubuntu the dpkg.log reports it. |
| 17:27.26 | abrotman | which sarge doesn't do |
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| 17:28.23 | jnguy | Is there a way to list package dependencies without installing them despite whether or not they are installed? |
| 17:28.26 | jelly | M0E-lnx: there a small matter of security, I don't like running plain vnc over network, so there are actually a few more options and some ssh tunneling around. but x0vncserver is the main part. |
| 17:28.59 | abrotman | jnguy: man apt-cache |
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| 17:29.15 | abrotman | jnguy: really .. please ask #ubuntu about your ubuntu problems |
| 17:29.19 | Janne_Doe | hi once again |
| 17:29.45 | jnguy | abrotman: It was a debian question. But thanks for pointing me in the right direction. |
| 17:29.53 | abrotman | which i already did .. twice |
| 17:30.05 | rockstar_ | Does ethereal sniff passwords? I usually use ettercap, but it's not really going to work in this situation. |
| 17:31.04 | jnguy | abrotman: Much appreciated. |
| 17:31.12 | rockstar_ | No, I don't think I'm a 1337 h4x0r, just want to see if the encrypted tunnels work. |
| 17:31.34 | M0E-lnx | I get an error... No protocol specified |
| 17:31.39 | _fidget_ | does anyone know how to replay a file captured by airodump back wirelessly? |
| 17:31.56 | _fidget_ | i'm not sure how else to word that =/ sorry if it's vague |
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| 17:32.08 | abrotman | tcpreplay ? |
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| 17:32.13 | abrotman | though .. i don't know what airodump is |
| 17:32.24 | Janne_Doe | my problem is: I have installed debian netinst and all works fine but i can't have an internet connection. i tryed pppoeconf and it works but after i can't make a ping to www.google.com for example. i have a nvidia nforce3 adapter to connect me. please help me |
| 17:32.55 | blondie | Janne_Doe: what kind of internet connection? |
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| 17:33.03 | Janne_Doe | ethernet |
| 17:33.10 | jnguy | check resolv.conf |
| 17:33.16 | _fidget_ | ah it just passivly captures all wireless traffic on a channel and dumps it into a .cap file |
| 17:33.30 | jetscreamer | and man resolv.conf |
| 17:33.36 | jelly | M0E-lnx: here's a short howto: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jvnKKP36.html |
| 17:33.48 | blondie | Janne_Doe: if you're using plain ethernet, you don't need PPP and therefore shouldn't use pppoeconf |
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| 17:34.33 | Janne_Doe | can you give me all euh i think i need, my previous distribution needed it |
| 17:34.45 | Thelma | :) |
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| 17:34.57 | Janne_Doe | it isn't a plain ethernet |
| 17:35.00 | blondie | Janne_Doe: it didn't need pppoeconf for plain ethernet |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | make sure you have an IP first |
| 17:35.07 | blondie | Janne_Doe: what is it then? |
| 17:35.12 | Janne_Doe | ethernet modem |
| 17:35.16 | blondie | I see |
| 17:35.25 | Zaib | how to call HDinstaller (an script) from debain based livecd !? |
| 17:35.27 | blondie | well, do you get an IP address? |
| 17:35.33 | Janne_Doe | speedtouch(tm) |
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| 17:35.51 | Janne_Doe | I think so |
| 17:35.58 | Zaib | how to call HDinstaller (an script) from debain based livecd when user boot from cd !? |
| 17:36.06 | blondie | Janne_Doe: well, check if you do or not |
| 17:36.18 | Janne_Doe | ok I must reboot |
| 17:36.23 | Janne_Doe | thanks |
| 17:36.25 | abrotman | Zaib: which debian-based livecd? |
| 17:36.29 | jelly | Zaib: that really depends on the particular livecd. |
| 17:37.00 | blondie | jelly: aren't you meant to be in my fridge? |
| 17:37.04 | Zaib | abrotman: making my own ! stuck on automating installation . |
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| 17:37.11 | jelly | blondie: eat me |
| 17:37.19 | Eulex | !eat jelly |
| 17:37.19 | jetscreamer | Zaib: theosrectumly shell out (alt+fsomething) mount the hd and run it |
| 17:37.28 | blondie | jelly: ok :) |
| 17:37.32 | abrotman | Eulex: where were you yesterday when i needed your RAID5 rant |
| 17:37.35 | Zaib | abrotman: installer works good maually when i boot from cd + i need to automate it |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | nfc |
| 17:38.12 | Zaib | abrotman: so that when user boot from CD .. its installer called automatically and then on next reboot HD install is ready to use |
| 17:38.35 | Zaib | abrotman: should i add it to /etc/init.d scripts |
| 17:38.48 | Eulex | abrotman, me? raid5 rant? |
| 17:38.48 | abrotman | you can |
| 17:39.06 | abrotman | Eulex: aren't you the one that runs around talking about the BAARF link? how RAID5 is bad ? |
| 17:39.13 | abrotman | maybe it was blissex |
| 17:39.21 | Eulex | abrotman, nope |
| 17:39.31 | abrotman | must have been blissex . oh well |
| 17:39.42 | Eulex | abrotman, actually, I've never even used any raid variant :) |
| 17:39.42 | Zaib | jetscreamer: shuld i add this installer script to /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | Eulex: deviant! |
| 17:39.59 | stoned | mm |
| 17:40.03 | stoned | wake & bake |
| 17:40.20 | Eulex | abrotman, so be it! |
| 17:40.20 | jetscreamer | Zaib: i don't know, i just told you how you might maybe run it from in the installer |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | no wonder dell quality is down ... |
| 17:40.31 | raf256 | I wonder, how hard it is to write a driver in linux |
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| 17:40.40 | prophile | hello |
| 17:40.42 | stoned | keep makin them cracks |
| 17:40.42 | jetscreamer | my son dell gave you a job :O |
| 17:40.50 | stoned | you have a kid? |
| 17:40.56 | stoned | how old are you? |
| 17:40.59 | prophile | I have a question: why would apt-get install python want to remove kde? |
| 17:41.01 | Ronin | abrotman: down? that implies it was up at one time |
| 17:41.01 | jelly | raf256: really hard. That's why people sell it for $80. |
| 17:41.12 | raf256 | jelly: did you test the demo? |
| 17:41.18 | Zaib | jetscreamer: hmm thanks neway .. i think my question ws not refined rite ? |
| 17:41.22 | jetscreamer | prophile: depends on the dependencies |
| 17:41.24 | abrotman | Ronin: i figure they had to make at least one at some point that wasn't a pile of trash |
| 17:41.37 | jelly | raf256: dont't have time. |
| 17:41.44 | stoned | dude |
| 17:41.45 | jetscreamer | ah making your own installer cd |
| 17:41.46 | raf256 | damn me neither, but perhaps later |
| 17:41.49 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.49 | stoned | I have not even started work there yet |
| 17:41.53 | stoned | yeesh |
| 17:41.54 | stew | raf256: writing a driver is hard. writing a driver when you have to reverse engineer the spec is very very hard |
| 17:42.11 | jetscreamer | Zaib: you 'might' want #debian-boot but i'm not sure |
| 17:42.14 | dn4 | ^^ that is Andi C mixing live check it out!! |
| 17:42.16 | abrotman | dn4: did you just spam us ? |
| 17:42.24 | stoned | stew, but if you're Zero Cool, you can |
| 17:42.29 | stoned | then its not hard |
| 17:42.30 | Ronin | looks that way abrotman |
| 17:42.34 | prophile | jetscreamer: yes, but why would it just uninstall a completely unrelated package? |
| 17:42.41 | dn4 | abrotman, um spam? that is a quality stream, trying to break 200 people it is at 198 |
| 17:42.43 | dn4 | :P |
| 17:42.43 | raf256 | stew: it wish EU would order Intel and other HW vendors to always release full specs |
| 17:42.47 | abrotman | dn4: stop being an ass |
| 17:43.05 | Zaib | jetscreamer: thanks leme ask there lets see if they can help |
| 17:43.09 | Eulex | dn4, well, but what has it got to do with debian? |
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| 17:43.18 | jelly | raf256: sorry, it's $89 for laptops actually. ;-) |
| 17:43.32 | jetscreamer | prophile: exactly what is it trying to take, the kde metapackage or kde*... but it can be like that, depending on the dependencies. |
| 17:43.33 | dn4 | figured debian users would enjoy some music |
| 17:43.34 | raf256 | jelly: as a side note |
| 17:43.35 | dn4 | that is all |
| 17:43.37 | stew | raf256: you understand that that would make the cards be probably slower and more expensive, becuase they would have to redesign the cards from scratch, right? |
| 17:43.42 | raf256 | I am starting a comapny that will promite linux :) |
| 17:44.17 | Eulex | stew, umh, how would releasing the full hw specs make the products slower and more expensive? |
| 17:44.21 | prophile | jetscreamer: kde, kde-amusements, kdeedu |
| 17:44.32 | raf256 | stew: redesign hardware to allow it to be accessed from linux O_o ? but linux have same tools to use hardware API like windows right? |
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| 17:44.40 | stoned | "There is an old saying in Tennessee, I know it is in Texas, probably is in Tennessee, Fool me once... Shame... Shame on... you... A fool can't get fooled again..." <-- Whose famous words are these? |
| 17:44.50 | stew | Eulex: starting over from scratch would make them more expensive |
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| 17:45.12 | LoRez | stoned: GWB |
| 17:45.13 | stew | Eulex: and i'm going under the assumption that they are not opening the specs becuase the cannot becuase they have licensed technology from other vendors |
| 17:45.25 | stoned | lol |
| 17:45.27 | Eulex | stew, ah |
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| 17:45.36 | raf256 | stew: you are saying that this hardware is build in such way that it is impossible to support it from linux O_o ?? |
| 17:45.48 | raf256 | ah. |
| 17:46.06 | raf256 | stew: but what other vendors? I bet they have all rights to their own product |
| 17:46.11 | jelly | Hehe, Xig are quite good at dissing free drivers: "That's TRUE overlay plane support, not that stuff that XFree86 sez is overlay support." |
| 17:46.28 | stew | raf256: i'm saying that the hardware is closed. they won't tell you how it works becuase they are under contract to keep it secret, and without knowing how the hardware works, you have to reverse engineer it, which is why the open source drivers for cloesd hardware cards is usually very lacking |
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| 17:46.59 | raf256 | stew: but just the API, not internals of GFX card. like HTML is open and ISS source code is not |
| 17:47.35 | stew | raf256: ask them for the API, see how far you get |
| 17:48.06 | raf256 | there was some project of fully open source gfx card (no real 3d support though) |
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| 17:49.40 | Eulex | stew, well, but do you have to know exactly how the hardware works to just interface with it? |
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| 17:50.31 | raf256 | ah, here it is http://www.techsource.com/ |
| 17:50.37 | raf256 | http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9003 |
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| 17:50.49 | Eulex | I'd imagine that the actual hardware interface is much less protected than the info on how exactly the hardware works |
| 17:51.01 | raf256 | well their www site is dead right now |
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| 17:51.38 | stoned | I always research before I buy my HW |
| 17:52.15 | stoned | If it doesn't work with linux and opensource drivers, I probably won't buy it |
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| 17:52.42 | abrotman | but you work for dell |
| 17:52.56 | stoned | no |
| 17:52.57 | stoned | I |
| 17:52.58 | stoned | DO |
| 17:53.00 | stoned | NOT! |
| 17:53.08 | stoned | ahem.. yet |
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| 17:53.36 | jetscreamer | no he works for linspire |
| 17:53.50 | stoned | :( yeh yeh yeh, pick on the poor stoned kid |
| 17:54.33 | jelly | raf256: well your i915 (or whatever you have) is also fully 2D supported with free drivers |
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| 17:55.46 | jelly | raf256: I bought my current laptop only after I was reasonably sure things would work under Linux (ie. googled and saw that the model worked for other people) |
| 17:56.16 | abrotman | !kikismite stoned |
| 17:56.19 | Ronin | oh man here we go again |
| 17:56.35 | jelly | abrotman: wow, a reference to a webcomic? |
| 17:56.46 | raf256 | jelly: that card is supposed to be 3d actually |
| 17:56.50 | raf256 | it will be cool |
| 17:57.01 | stoned | raf256, what card is it |
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| 17:59.44 | abrotman | jelly: i didn't make it |
| 18:00.37 | Zaib | guys if i remove A LINK OF SCRIPT to a specic runlevel rc?.d directory then this script will not be called in that specific runlevel ... and will continue to work in all other runlevels it is defined in ... is that rite ? |
| 18:01.05 | jcm | hi, I cannot get rt2500-source complied correctly, I always get errors on get_wireless_stats predicate non existing. I installed and rebooted last kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 and the same kernel-headers. Tried with module-assistant and with make-kpkg modules. |
| 18:01.15 | Zaib | refined... if i remove A LINK OF SCRIPT from a specic runlevel rc?.d directory then this script will not be called in that specific runlevel ... and will continue to work in all other runlevels it is defined in ... is that rite ? |
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| 18:02.19 | jelly | Zaib: right |
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| 18:02.34 | Zaib | jelly: u r shure about it ? |
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| 18:03.31 | jelly | Zaib: it won't "work", but it'll be called with "start" argument if the link is called S* and with "stop" if the link is K* |
| 18:03.36 | Janne_Doe | blondie: I have checked the resolv.conf |
| 18:03.49 | nsx | how come i often can't find kernel source packages for the latest kernel? |
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| 18:04.00 | Janne_Doe | and I have an ip adress |
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| 18:04.49 | dn4 | how do I get xine to open up a stream link? |
| 18:04.55 | Zaib | jelly: its not an start stop kind of script .. it is just copying some thing from here to there ... and i need to call it only in when system boots and no where else |
| 18:05.05 | Zaib | jelly: m i trying the rite approch |
| 18:06.19 | jelly | Zaib: I'd maybe put it in /etc/rcS.d and make it do something only if [ "$1" = start ] |
| 18:06.53 | jelly | Zaib: that is, put the link there and leave the script in /etc/init.d. |
| 18:07.14 | Zaib | jelly: well that is really good .. thank you very much |
| 18:08.54 | Zaib | jelly: one more thing to add it to rcS.d shud i do something like this .... root@localhost# update-rc.d scriptname defults ? |
| 18:09.08 | jcm | when using a binary backport like http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/r/rt2500/, should I be using exactly the kernel it was compiled for to have it work ? |
| 18:09.27 | Zaib | jelly: and then remove all links from other rc?.d except rcS.d |
| 18:09.50 | jelly | Zaib: if there are any for this script. |
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| 18:10.04 | jelly | Zaib: maybe read /etc/init.d/README ? |
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| 18:11.00 | _rockstar | Hm, I think I've got my iptables configured perfectly now. However, iptables-save doesn't seem to be saving them... How can I tell debian to load the current rules on next startup? |
| 18:11.02 | Zaib | jelly: ahaan .. thanks .. well i read it .. but i culdnt figure out how to add a script to only one rc?.d and not others ... |
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| 18:11.39 | Zaib | jelly: it will be so nice of you if u just gime an example .. of adding some script to only one rc?.d dirctory and not others |
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| 18:12.34 | Zaib | jelly: i use to do this update-rc.d scriptname defaults .. and this command will add scriptname to all rc?.d dirctories ... i will be really thankfull if u give an example |
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| 18:13.08 | taylor | Can one set the maximum memory available to java applets? If so, how? |
| 18:13.13 | jelly | Zaib: there are examples in the man page. like: update-rc.d -f foobar remove; update-rc.d foobar start 45 S . |
| 18:13.55 | Shadowcat | taylor: ask ##java |
| 18:13.56 | jelly | Zaib: Haven't tried it, but that should just add a /etc/rcS.d/S45foobar and remove everything else. |
| 18:14.24 | _rockstar | No one can tell me how to save out my iptables? |
| 18:14.34 | _rockstar | Right now, the ones that get loaded by default screw things up. |
| 18:14.44 | _rockstar | So I need to overwrite them with the new ones. |
| 18:14.45 | jelly | Zaib: update-rc.d doesn't do anything smart by default, you can just make symlinks by hand if it's easier. |
| 18:15.13 | Zaib | jelly: u mean "root@localhost# update-rc.d foobar /etc/rcS.d/S45foobar" rite ? |
| 18:15.17 | taylor | _rockstar: I'd do "man iptables" to find the option that dumps to stdout, and then google for that. |
| 18:15.42 | jelly | Zaib: no, I mean "root@localhost# update-rc.d -f foobar remove; update-rc.d foobar start 45 S ." |
| 18:15.48 | Zaib | jelly: okay dats good then every thing is the S , K and the numberings in filename rite ? |
| 18:16.09 | ivan | hello, may anyone tell me what's going on here http://channels.debian.net/paste/3318 please |
| 18:16.35 | ivan | to me the mirror is broken (which I really want to doubt) |
| 18:16.37 | Zaib | jelly: and i can make symlnks by hand via links ... well thats good leme try this manually .. thank you |
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| 18:18.17 | jelly | Zaib: if I did them by hand I'd make sure they followed the conventions (that's, named S??name or K??name and that they're relative and not absolute) |
| 18:19.44 | Zaib | jelly: didnt get ur meaning ? |
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| 18:20.40 | lunitik | !tell ivan about fudo |
| 18:21.15 | Zaib | jelly: amin its a convention in debian that symlink shud starts with S or K and as far as i know S is some thing related to start and K is something related to stop or something rite ? |
| 18:21.19 | lunitik | ivan: next time, at least look at the topic :/ |
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| 18:22.49 | Zaib | jelly: eveything in rc dir that starts with S will be called at startup time and everylink in rc dir which starts from K will be callld at shutdown time m i rite ? |
| 18:23.00 | jelly | Zaib: nope. |
| 18:23.29 | Zaib | jelly: so wht does S and K stands for in here ? |
| 18:23.33 | jelly | Zaib: S means script will be called with "start", K ... "stop". |
| 18:24.11 | jelly | Zaib: system startup and shutdown refer to runlevels, that is, which of the /etc/rc?.d directories will be used. |
| 18:24.22 | jelly | Zaib: just read hte relevant parts of the policy. |
| 18:24.32 | Zaib | jelly: hmm okay .. but if the script is not a start and stop kindof thing then .. amin if script is just running a cp command from inside which will copy something from here to there |
| 18:25.14 | jelly | Zaib: well just ignore the argument then and put only a S* link. |
| 18:25.34 | _rockstar | taylor, iptables-save prints to stdout. I need to know where to pipe stdout. |
| 18:25.52 | jelly | _rockstar: what version of Debian? |
| 18:25.57 | _rockstar | Sid. |
| 18:25.59 | Zaib | see this is the script #!/bin/bash |
| 18:25.59 | Zaib | cp /usr/local/src/script/* /mnt/etc/test/ |
| 18:26.39 | jelly | _rockstar: sid doesn't have startup scripts of iptables by default. |
| 18:26.53 | Zaib | jelly: and this is wht i want to run only when system boots and not during every runlevel change or on shutdown time |
| 18:27.23 | jelly | Zaib: so put the link in rcS.d, call it dunno S50something and that's it. |
| 18:27.55 | jelly | _rockstar: you might have some firewall package installed. |
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| 18:28.37 | taylor | _rockstar: I agree, and suggest googling for an answer. |
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| 18:29.22 | Zaib | jelly: Hmm okay .. well dats really helpfull .. thanks for giving me so much time .. i hope i didnt make u fedup |
| 18:29.26 | stew | _rockstar: have you looked at /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian? |
| 18:29.28 | jelly | _rockstar: or maybe you have /etc/init.d/iptables from before, in which case it probably reads /var/lib/iptables/active |
| 18:29.50 | jelly | Zaib: np |
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| 18:31.15 | leOn | howdy |
| 18:31.20 | Janne_Doe | my problem is: I have installed debian netinst and all works fine but i can't have an internet connection. i tryed pppoeconf and it works but after i can't make a ping to www.google.com for example. i have a nvidia nforce3 adapter to connect me. I is not in plain ethernet : speedtouch |
| 18:31.49 | amphi | Janne_Doe: you have the firmware installed? |
| 18:32.03 | Janne_Doe | please, this problem is getting borring |
| 18:32.13 | leOn | what's the clean way to enable support for a qlogic card (qla2xxx) on sarge? ... i see the driver in the source tree, but it's not available for inclusion in menuconfig |
| 18:32.17 | amphi | Janne_Doe: you have the firmware installed? |
| 18:32.24 | leOn | using kernel-source-2.6.8 package |
| 18:33.25 | Janne_Doe | euh I don't know. I know it is a nvidia nforce 3 adapter |
| 18:34.19 | Janne_Doe | connected directly on the "master card" |
| 18:34.27 | Janne_Doe | sory Im french |
| 18:34.35 | amphi | Janne_Doe: huh? I thought you were talking about a usb modem ;) |
| 18:34.45 | Janne_Doe | no ethernet modem |
| 18:35.07 | Janne_Doe | it is connected by ethernet |
| 18:35.10 | Janne_Doe | not by usb |
| 18:35.30 | Janne_Doe | and it isn't a plain ethernet connection |
| 18:36.07 | amphi | Janne_Doe: sorry, no idea about that - only ethernet modem I used was a cable modem, and I just plugged it in and ran dhclient |
| 18:36.37 | amphi | Janne_Doe: google will know, presumably |
| 18:36.41 | Janne_Doe | I can get an ip adresse but I can not get a ping |
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| 18:36.59 | Janne_Doe | euh I have visited lots of forums |
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| 18:37.15 | Janne_Doe | the answer is "buy a true ethernet card" |
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| 18:37.32 | roxy_ | is there any reason to filter out going traffic in iptables on a workstation ? |
| 18:38.22 | amphi | Janne_Doe: is that thing known to work with linux at all? |
| 18:38.32 | Janne_Doe | yes |
| 18:38.40 | Janne_Doe | ubuntu works with it |
| 18:38.48 | abrotman | roxy_: there can be |
| 18:39.13 | Janne_Doe | or i should say it works with ubuntu |
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| 18:39.51 | roxy_ | abrotman: I was thinking about OUTPUT ACCEPT and INPUT ESTABLISHED ACCEPT, is too open ? |
| 18:40.05 | Janne_Doe | nobody were in the same situation? |
| 18:40.38 | novata_peleona | anyone has used the repository package gmailfs with success or need it to compile? |
| 18:43.37 | novata_peleona | what about this error:http://rafb.net/paste/results/sULvpH68.html ?? |
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| 18:45.17 | abrotman | roxy_: that's up to you .. it's not my system .. i can't decide for you |
| 18:45.42 | abrotman | roxy_: but let's say for example this were a public router, you might not want to allow 6667 outgoing |
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| 18:48.05 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: what is the problem ? the error is very clear even if you don't speak python. You could check python version see if the folder object changed. |
| 18:49.15 | Devil3 | hello |
| 18:50.55 | streuner | !test |
| 18:50.55 | dpkg | No, streuner, you're not online any more. |
| 18:50.57 | novata_peleona | rox, i asked cause dont know what the problem is |
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| 18:52.07 | novata_peleona | roxy_, ii python-apt 0.6.18,ii python-libgmail 0.1.4-3 |
| 18:52.09 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: the problem is that the method len is called with an unsized argument :-) |
| 18:52.30 | novata_peleona | roxy_ ohh! |
| 18:52.53 | wubrgamer | !test |
| 18:52.53 | dpkg | Sorry, wubrgamer, I didn't get your test. |
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| 18:53.19 | novata_peleona | roxy_,where can i solve it? |
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| 18:54.00 | novata_peleona | roxy_, i just installed package repository |
| 18:54.01 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: if you know python you can have a look at the code. Your best bet is to first have a look at the dbt. |
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| 18:54.22 | novata_peleona | dbt? |
| 18:54.26 | roxy_ | !dbt |
| 18:54.28 | novata_peleona | ufff.. |
| 18:54.30 | Skorgu|Work | I'm on ubuntu but they're useless so I'm asking here, sorry. I need to completely remove udev and all of its configuration files and reinstall it, but purging wants to remove half the system because they depend on it. Is this possible? |
| 18:54.42 | Morydd | anyone able to help troubleshoot an NFS issue? when attempting to mount the share I get "mount: protocol not supported" server is stable, client is testing. |
| 18:54.44 | novata_peleona | and upgrade will solve it? |
| 18:55.00 | roxy_ | !info dbt |
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| 18:55.14 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: debian bug tracker |
| 18:55.31 | wubrgamer | hye guys |
| 18:55.43 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: see if the bug has been reported. Are you stable/testing or unstable ? |
| 18:55.55 | lunitik | Skorgu|Work: Its not our fault #ubuntu is useless... we _can't_ and _won't_ help with Ubuntu issues |
| 18:56.11 | novata_peleona | roxy_, remove it and lead this manual:http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-installing.html |
| 18:56.13 | lunitik | Skorgu|Work: Install Debian, and come back, maybe we'd help you :/ |
| 18:56.22 | novata_peleona | roxy_, testing |
| 18:56.23 | Skorgu|Work | well, all I really want to know is how to get apt to replace configuration files :) |
| 18:56.31 | Shadowcat | Skorgu|Work: not our problem |
| 18:56.34 | lunitik | Skorgu|Work: #ubuntu |
| 18:56.37 | Shadowcat | you're running ubuntu, aka don't ask here |
| 18:56.58 | Skorgu|Work | ok, sorry |
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| 18:58.09 | streuner | !customer |
| 18:58.09 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 18:58.19 | Ronin | heh |
| 18:58.25 | lunitik | streuner: hah... serves him right though! |
| 18:58.29 | Ronin | who ticked off brlancer? |
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| 18:59.28 | novata_peleona | roxy_, can you help me? |
| 18:59.58 | Ronin | lunitik: they learned that rap sucks? heh |
| 18:59.58 | dabreegster | lunitik: Don't complain! |
| 18:59.59 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: no.sorry :/ . have a look at the dbt; |
| 19:00.10 | novata_peleona | -su: !dbt: event not found |
| 19:00.25 | novata_peleona | +:( |
| 19:00.26 | lunitik | dabreegster: I'll complain if I want... metal gives me a headache :( |
| 19:00.26 | cydork | Ronin: heheh |
| 19:00.37 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 19:00.42 | lunitik | All I hear is a bunch of static crap and some dude screaming :/ |
| 19:01.05 | streuner | lunitik: #ubuntu is enough, no discussions, no comments... |
| 19:01.07 | dabreegster | lunitik: Trashy metal then. Try something like Nightwish then tell me all metal is bad. Do you like symphonic or opera music? |
| 19:02.05 | lunitik | streuner: I was being civil imo... I stated to install Debian to get help here etc... I wasn't rude imo... |
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| 19:03.01 | Shadowcat | actually lunitik was a lot nicer than I would have been |
| 19:03.10 | aztech_ | what's a good debian bullshitting channel? |
| 19:03.14 | Caelum | dabreegster: I like Dark Tranquillity and Sentenced |
| 19:03.21 | Ronin | aztech_: debian-offtopic |
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| 19:03.39 | dabreegster | Caelum: Never heard of them, I'll check them out |
| 19:04.09 | Morydd | it's not okay to lump metal into one group, but it is to do that to rap? |
| 19:04.17 | lunitik | dabreegster: I like music I can dance to... like techno, rap... even some things like arabic and latin music if the chick is hot enough :P |
| 19:04.26 | Ronin | Morydd: yep cause it all sounds the same ;) |
| 19:04.41 | Morydd | Ronin: you clearly don't listen to any more rap than I do to metal :) |
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| 19:05.11 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 19:05.12 | dabreegster | lunitik: Then not Nightwish. I like dance music as well. Pretty much anything except country, blues, jazz, and rap. |
| 19:05.20 | Shadowcat | I should make you all listen to Britney Spears |
| 19:05.21 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 19:05.43 | Ronin | Shadowcat: dear god no please dont |
| 19:06.08 | Shadowcat | heh what can I say, I'm evil |
| 19:06.10 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 19:06.52 | lunitik | I just can't stand hard rock... doesn't sound like music to me... just noise |
| 19:07.10 | Shadowcat | seriously |
| 19:07.17 | Shadowcat | I just spent the day debugging pointers |
| 19:07.28 | Shadowcat | even hard rock would make me relax at this point |
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| 19:08.01 | cydork | Shadowcat: for me beer works better :P |
| 19:08.28 | Shadowcat | cydork: I actually need to remember the code until tomorrow when I'm continuing this bug hunt |
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| 19:08.30 | Shadowcat | so no beer |
| 19:08.44 | _rockstar | I've got not /etc/init.d/iptables in sid. Where can I find where iptables pulls its rules from? |
| 19:09.02 | lunitik | Shadowcat: can throw a few down to relax, and still remember just fine :) |
| 19:09.04 | Shadowcat | it doesn't pull it from anywhere |
| 19:09.10 | Shadowcat | iptables rules exist in memory only |
| 19:09.18 | cydork | Shadowcat, I debug better after a beer or so :P |
| 19:10.00 | Shadowcat | some function leaks 5k of memory somewhere, and I have around 5000 more lines to go through to find it |
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| 19:10.31 | cydork | Shadowcat, in that case one beer is not enough !! :) |
| 19:10.59 | Shadowcat | this thing was 30,000 lines when I got it |
| 19:11.06 | Shadowcat | 30,000 lines of spaghetti code |
| 19:11.11 | Shadowcat | I reduced to around 7000 lines |
| 19:11.26 | Shadowcat | so now I have to find the darn bugs I introduced in the process |
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| 19:11.56 | _rockstar | Shadowcat, so when I reboot, how do I get it to reload the iptables that I currently have? |
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| 19:12.10 | Shadowcat | _rockstar: you write a script to store them somewhere and then reload them |
| 19:12.26 | Fox | why not use the init.d iptables script ? |
| 19:12.43 | Fox | /etc/init.d/iptables save active |
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| 19:12.56 | Fox | will store the loaded rules |
| 19:13.01 | abrotman | because ti's been removed |
| 19:13.05 | Fox | ho |
| 19:13.43 | abrotman | thundercats? |
| 19:13.47 | _rockstar | Shadowcat, I see. So if I pipe iptables-save to a file, I can then reload it? |
| 19:14.48 | Shadowcat | yes |
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| 19:16.16 | roxy_ | does the loopback interface goes throught the firewall ? |
| 19:16.20 | _rockstar | Fox, I have no /etc/init.d/iptables. |
| 19:16.25 | _rockstar | I just created it... |
| 19:16.42 | lunitik | roxy_: no... loopback is just your machine... |
| 19:16.47 | the_ugly | _rockstar: use pre-up iptables-restore /path/to/iptables.rules in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:17.08 | the_ugly | _rockstar: no, forget about this script |
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| 19:17.53 | roxy_ | lunitik: so I don't need to allow it in iptables ? |
| 19:18.19 | roxy_ | _rockstar: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-setup |
| 19:19.13 | abrotman | lunitik: i was joking .. i didn't mean to offend you .. |
| 19:19.13 | roxy_ | lunitik: why would a script do : /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 19:19.27 | abrotman | lunitik: i would hope that you'd be able to joke with me about the same :0 |
| 19:19.28 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:19.42 | abrotman | lunitik: bear in mind i have no idea how old you are or what you do for a living |
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| 19:20.26 | lunitik | abrotman: that was a /notice ... because I didn't want it in the channel... /msg is impeding on privacy though imo |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | lunitik: you could have asked me to msg me .. |
| 19:20.55 | _rockstar | Roxy, that link seems to be perfect... Don't know why it didn't come up when I google for debian iptables |
| 19:20.59 | abrotman | lunitik: and i would have let you :0 |
| 19:21.00 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:21.23 | roxy_ | _rockstar: the whole book is perfect, I am reading it and learning a lot :-) |
| 19:21.27 | lunitik | abrotman: /notice isn't seen by anyone else... same result... |
| 19:21.51 | `Deimos` | someone has got a laptop Sony VAIO AR11B with debian ? |
| 19:21.56 | abrotman | lunitik: you're lucky i noticed it at all .. you'd have thought i was a rude SoB for not responding .. they don't make my window flash |
| 19:22.06 | Fox | roxy_: sometimes loopback talks to itself |
| 19:22.10 | lunitik | abrotman: 22, and its a touchy subject because I'm sick of not working... been out of work for 2 months... and it could cost me my freedom if I don't get a job soon |
| 19:22.17 | Fox | roxy_: or to ethX |
| 19:22.19 | _rockstar | `Deimos`, I have an older Vaio. What do you need to know? |
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| 19:23.11 | lunitik | abrotman: probation requires me to pay each month, I haven't been able to for 3 months :( |
| 19:23.37 | lunitik | abrotman: so yeah, not something I can joke about... |
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| 19:23.57 | `Deimos` | _rockstar, i want to buy this laptop with intel core duo etc, and i want to be sure it's running under gnu/linux with np |
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| 19:24.53 | abrotman | lunitik: my apologies .. now you can pick on me for having cake on my ass |
| 19:24.57 | Morydd | anyone able to help troubleshoot an NFS issue? when attempting to mount the share I get "mount: protocol not supported" server is stable, client is testing. |
| 19:25.11 | novata_peleona | roxy_, i am trying with gmailfs-0.7.2.tar.gz :./gmailfs.py /mnt/gmail gmailfs noauto,username=x,password=x fsname=gmailfs and says this:08/02/06 21:27:15 ERROR Unable to find GMail account configuration |
| 19:25.11 | novata_peleona | 08/02/06 21:27:15 WARNING Using default file system (Dangerous! |
| 19:25.12 | lunitik | abrotman: wait... wtf? hah |
| 19:26.04 | crazy_penguin | hi all! |
| 19:26.29 | lunitik | abrotman: apology accepted though... its come up in here before, but you can't be expected to read everything :D |
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| 19:27.03 | abrotman | lunitik: i missed something? |
| 19:27.13 | abrotman | lunitik: it's not the reading .. it's the remembering :) |
| 19:27.16 | abrotman | i'm an old man |
| 19:27.43 | novata_peleona | abrotman, has you used gmailfs for filesystem gmail? |
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| 19:27.59 | roxy_ | novata_peleona: I am java/ruby programer. I don't know python and don't user gmail. You could ask on #python maybe. |
| 19:28.11 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... that too... heh... I probably discuss it too much in such a public media though... just not embarrassed about it, although its worrying me at the moment... |
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| 19:28.18 | Pons | guys, does sed accept wildcards? |
| 19:28.28 | novata_peleona | roxy_, oks sorru them |
| 19:29.02 | cydork | novata_peleona, try mount.gmailfs, it worked for me, i never tried gmailfs.py |
| 19:29.16 | Caelum | Pons: no, regular expressions |
| 19:29.36 | Pons | damn.. |
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| 19:30.48 | cydork | novata_peleona, and check the log for any errors! |
| 19:31.05 | novata_peleona | cydork, ./mount.gmailfs /mnt/gmail gmailfs noauto,username=x,password=x |
| 19:31.05 | novata_peleona | usage: mount.gmailfs none mountpoint [options] |
| 19:31.06 | Caelum | lunitik: the syntax is different, a * in a glob would be .* in a regex |
| 19:31.09 | novata_peleona | no manpages! |
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| 19:31.29 | abrotman | novata_peleona: eh .. no |
| 19:31.36 | lunitik | Caelum: ahhh... ok... thank you |
| 19:31.39 | novata_peleona | Aps |
| 19:31.46 | cydork | mount.gmailfs none gmail/ |
| 19:32.01 | novata_peleona | ?? |
| 19:32.36 | novata_peleona | cydork, ./mount.gmailfs none /mnt/gmail gmailfs noauto,username=x,password=x |
| 19:32.40 | novata_peleona | mount.gmailfs none /mnt/gmail gmailfs noauto,username=x,password=x |
| 19:32.44 | novata_peleona | fails |
| 19:32.48 | _rockstar | ssh is not a clear-text protocol is it? |
| 19:32.56 | cydork | novata_peleona, it will |
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| 19:33.11 | novata_peleona | why? |
| 19:33.25 | cydork | novata_peleona, mount.gmailfs none /mnt/gmail noauto,username=x,password=x, fsname=fsname |
| 19:34.12 | Caelum | _rockstar: nope, it's encrypted, that's the point |
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| 19:34.49 | cydork | novata_peleona, if you have used debian package you can set those values in /etc/gmailfs/gmailfs.conf |
| 19:35.06 | roxy_ | on a home computer, should I accept icmp packet or is it just for router/router communication ? |
| 19:35.15 | _rockstar | Yea, well, I was just reading up on BSD r-tools and since SSH was created by OpenBSD, I thought twice... I didn't think it was though. |
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| 19:36.18 | cydork | _rockstar, OpenSSH is by them not ssh |
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| 19:36.59 | Caelum | _rockstar: it wasn't actually created by them...but they did update an older free version of ssh at the time to make OpenSSH |
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| 19:39.09 | cydork | hey did you guys know that openbsd had one remote hole in default install in more than 8 years !! |
| 19:39.25 | Eulex | ... |
| 19:39.29 | Eulex | wideopenbsd.org |
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| 19:41.21 | zinx | cydork: hey did you know openbsd runs practically no services in default install for more than 8 years ?!! |
| 19:41.45 | cydork | zinx: coz i tried it cpl of times :P |
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| 19:42.22 | aztech_ | lol |
| 19:42.29 | cydork | Eulex: how true is it? |
| 19:43.20 | lunitik | zinx: that would go a long way to why they haven't had an exploit in the default install for 8 years... |
| 19:43.32 | lunitik | zinx: hard to exploit services that aren't running :P |
| 19:43.58 | lunitik | Actually, 1 in 8 years... |
| 19:44.12 | cydork | Eulex: coz this reminds of MS's scam about linux's security !! |
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| 19:44.21 | lunitik | Which actually isn't a good track record if they don't start any services by default... |
| 19:44.35 | Eulex | cydork, I don't know. |
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| 19:45.13 | zinx | lunitik: i -think- they start ssh by default, and that's it |
| 19:45.38 | kasper | anyone familar with logitech webcams? |
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| 19:46.16 | lunitik | kasper: does it count as being familiar if I have one, and plug it in... and it just works? |
| 19:46.23 | cydork | kasper: does it show in lsusb? |
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| 19:46.40 | kasper | cydork: yup and i've downloaded qc-usb-sources and qc-usb-utils |
| 19:47.11 | cydork | kasper: apt-get install xawtv |
| 19:47.16 | kasper | cydork: but when i goto open motion or camorama or xawtv they all say the /dev/video0 is not there |
| 19:47.22 | roxy_ | in /etc/init.d/ all script are -rwxr-xr-x . Isn't it a security risk that any user can execute the scripts ? |
| 19:47.24 | kasper | cydork: i have ^ |
| 19:47.32 | jelly | roxy_: no. |
| 19:47.33 | cydork | Eulex: registration is private ! |
| 19:47.46 | lunitik | kasper: v4l is installed and happy? |
| 19:47.52 | kasper | lunitik: yup |
| 19:48.07 | Hali_303 | maybe someone is here with a NOKIA 6630 phone? I'd need some help in private. thx! |
| 19:48.11 | kasper | lunitik: in gnomemetting its an option. (worked fine) |
| 19:48.13 | roxy_ | jelly: how "/etc/init.d/iptable stop" could not be a security risk ? |
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| 19:48.28 | jelly | roxy_: they're run with privileges of the user that started them, so that command won't actually do anything |
| 19:48.29 | Eulex | cydork, eh? |
| 19:48.48 | kasper | lunitik: i just can't figure out why it won't open /dev/video0 or any /dev/videoX |
| 19:48.51 | roxy_ | jelly: thanks |
| 19:49.28 | Caelum | kasper: do those device files exist? |
| 19:49.50 | cydork | kasper, check /msg dpkg webcam |
| 19:49.51 | jelly | roxy_: like anyone can execute /bin/rm, but rm -rf / won't delete any files but your own |
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| 19:50.17 | cydork | Eulex: whois :P |
| 19:50.25 | roxy_ | jelly: yes, I just need to go to bed :-) |
| 19:50.58 | kasper | Caelum: no they don't?!?! |
| 19:51.33 | cydork | kasper: can you paste the output of lsusb or dmesg |
| 19:51.36 | Caelum | kasper: maybe they have to be configured in udev (I have no clue) |
| 19:51.42 | roxy_ | gn |
| 19:51.52 | kasper | cydork: lol that was the page i was looking a |
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| 19:52.10 | cydork | kasper: :P |
| 19:52.15 | Eulex | cydork, hmm? |
| 19:52.15 | novata_peleona | cydork, mount.gmailfs none /mnt/gmail noauto,username=x,password=x, fsname=fsname <<-- it fails |
| 19:52.28 | kasper | cydork: k .Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0850 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web |
| 19:52.31 | cydork | novata_peleona, and the error is ? |
| 19:52.52 | novata_peleona | usage: mount.gmailfs none mountpoint [options] |
| 19:53.07 | novata_peleona | mount.gmailfs: error: Wrong number of arguments |
| 19:53.09 | kasper | cydork: what module should be running? |
| 19:53.52 | Eulex | novata_peleona, try noauto,username=x,password=x,fsname=fsname? |
| 19:54.06 | Eulex | without the space |
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| 19:54.14 | mikefoo | ok so I need to remount / with rw, I was dropped into a repair shell due to fsck on ext2 drives, so I try to do a 'mount /dev/md1 / -o rw' but it syas / is busy |
| 19:54.35 | jcm | hi, I cannot compile the module rt2500-source (stable/backport). I installed last kernel (2.8.6-3-k7 and its source+headers) but compile fails on a 'get_wireless_stats unknown predicate'. Any idea ? |
| 19:54.41 | novata_peleona | Eulex, idem |
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| 19:55.19 | ktwilight | jcm get a more current kernel? |
| 19:55.20 | kasper | cydork: lsusb output - Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0850 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web - what modules should be be showing in lsmod? |
| 19:55.29 | ktwilight | i know that sarge's default kernel wouldn't work IIRC |
| 19:55.37 | lunitik | kasper: http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/webcam.html <-- says you need 'pwc' module |
| 19:55.49 | jcm | ktwilight: it's the latest on stable. |
| 19:56.09 | lunitik | kasper: although thats Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 ... maybe you need something else? |
| 19:56.09 | ktwilight | you need one from etch/testing or sid/unstable |
| 19:56.16 | jcm | ktwilight: 2.6.8-3 and not 2.8.6 of course |
| 19:56.19 | ktwilight | make sure you upgrade your kernel properly though |
| 19:56.32 | ktwilight | i think you need at least 2.6.13 or something like that |
| 19:56.41 | kasper | lunitik: lol thats whats running. and i've apt-get'd qc-usb-* i dunno anymore. |
| 19:56.55 | jcm | ktwilight: i'm not sure, but I use debian for years so it's not the first time I compile sthg ;-) |
| 19:57.18 | cydork | kasper: hey it was running in gnomemeeting??? |
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| 19:57.40 | kasper | cydork: no v4l was working as an option in gnomemeeting |
| 19:57.43 | lunitik | kasper: v4l should also be loaded as a module... other than that, idk |
| 19:58.19 | cydork | kasper: one important question which kernel?? :P |
| 19:58.23 | ktwilight | jcm, well, i emailed the maintainer, Aurelien, and stated my problem as yours |
| 19:58.29 | kasper | lunitik, cydork, hmm. however when i got modprobe v4l it says its not found |
| 19:58.37 | ktwilight | was using kernel 2.6.8-2, and he said that i should use etch/sid's kernel |
| 19:58.45 | ktwilight | it's a "known problem" according to him |
| 19:58.48 | ktwilight | :) |
| 19:58.52 | lunitik | kasper: I'm sure thats a module... hmmm... could be wrong though |
| 19:59.02 | kasper | cydork: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:59.05 | jcm | ktwilight: what's the use of a backport if you need to use unstable ;p |
| 19:59.14 | lunitik | ktwilight: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 ? |
| 19:59.19 | ktwilight | it's the kernel, not the distribution |
| 19:59.26 | cydork | kasper, then v4l should be there |
| 19:59.33 | lunitik | jcm: he doesn't need to, shush |
| 19:59.35 | ktwilight | jcm: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:59.35 | kasper | cydork: thats what i thought |
| 19:59.37 | ktwilight | :P |
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| 20:00.04 | kasper | cydork: its crazy it reconizes it but wont load as /dev/video |
| 20:00.08 | jcm | i changed to backports because testing didn't work, same error |
| 20:00.16 | kasper | cydork: do i have to create a /dev/video0? |
| 20:00.22 | ktwilight | jcm, if you're still in doubt, i suggest you email rt2500-source debian maintainer ;) |
| 20:00.35 | lunitik | kasper: you should never have to create devices with udev afaik |
| 20:00.56 | ktwilight | jcm, something is really wrong with your testing then |
| 20:01.03 | kasper | lunitik: thats what i thought but i wasn't sure with a video capture device |
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| 20:01.26 | shurik | hi, need help with exim4? |
| 20:01.32 | gnagno | hello all |
| 20:01.59 | lunitik | kasper: I'm not sure whats wrong there... everything I'm seeing just talks about pwc ... which you have loaded :( |
| 20:02.40 | cydork | kasper: did you check v4l wiki?? |
| 20:02.42 | gnagno | I have a problem with apt-get update, it stops on waiting for headers 99% and never ends... |
| 20:02.58 | kasper | lunitik: hehe. i swear. i mean i could see if i was a total newb or sumthin' but i coulda sworn i did everything right. |
| 20:03.03 | lunitik | kasper: maybe its using a different /dev/ entry? maybe user isn't in video group (although that wouldn't explain why there is no /dev/video0) |
| 20:03.24 | lunitik | kasper: seems like it... idk |
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| 20:03.54 | kasper | lunitik: how does /dev/video0 get created? by the install of the qc driver? or during the debian base install? |
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| 20:04.08 | Serinity | !distro war |
| 20:04.09 | dpkg | somebody said distro war was saying debian is better than knoppix, even though it obviously isnt. |
| 20:04.09 | kasper | cydork: hmm. the web page wiki? |
| 20:04.12 | devexial | If I used apt-get to install imagemagick, where would it have installed the path to it? |
| 20:04.35 | kasper | devexial: /usr/bin/ or /usr/sbin/ do updatedb as root |
| 20:04.38 | lunitik | kasper: /dev/video0 just is a symlink to /dev/.static/dev/video0 if udev is aware of something using it |
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| 20:04.45 | kasper | devexial: then locate imagemagick |
| 20:04.48 | devexial | kasper: ah |
| 20:05.00 | devexial | kasper: i see my problem...there is no "imagemagick" executable |
| 20:05.07 | devexial | kasper: just "convert" and "edit" |
| 20:05.13 | cahoot | devexial: no - the apps are called display, convert etc |
| 20:05.24 | kasper | lunitik: well /dev/.static/dev/video0 exists |
| 20:05.31 | devexial | thx :) |
| 20:05.41 | kasper | anytime |
| 20:05.45 | jcm | ktwilight: i had not tried 2.6.16 though |
| 20:05.51 | gnagno | I have a problem with apt-get update, it stops on waiting for headers 99% and never ends... can someone please help me? |
| 20:05.57 | lunitik | kasper: means nothing... thats just available devices.... if theres no /dev/video0 , kernel has no idea about it |
| 20:06.00 | jcm | did you get it and compiled ? |
| 20:06.01 | Eulex | wow |
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| 20:06.10 | Eulex | I've filled up / for some reason |
| 20:06.21 | kasper | lunitik: can't i just create a link to /dev/.static/dev/video0 that is /dev/video0? |
| 20:06.35 | cydork | kasper, try it :P |
| 20:06.40 | kasper | hahaha |
| 20:06.46 | lunitik | kasper: would serve no purpose... but if it makes you happy having a /dev/video0 ... sure :P |
| 20:06.58 | lunitik | kasper: also... is there just a plain /dev/video ? |
| 20:07.03 | kasper | lol ;P well shit. |
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| 20:07.07 | kasper | lunitik: nope |
| 20:07.13 | kasper | lunitik: let me double check |
| 20:07.14 | cydork | kasper, http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 20:08.34 | kasper | lunitik: nope no /dev/video at all |
| 20:08.46 | kasper | cydork: thanks. i'll search threw there for some answers |
| 20:08.48 | lunitik | Eulex: whats your partition layout? /var on same partition as / |
| 20:08.52 | lunitik | Eulex: ? |
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| 20:09.31 | Eulex | lunitik, yep. currently letting baobab investigate my fs to try to see what the problem might be. |
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| 20:10.05 | lunitik | Eulex: apt-get autoclean should free up a bit of space |
| 20:10.23 | Eulex | lunitik, I know. |
| 20:10.39 | kasper | lunitik:cydork: do either of you think it could be from an outdated kernel or udev? |
| 20:10.46 | cydork | lunitik: and not boot?? :P |
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| 20:11.14 | Eulex | wow, I couldn't even access the man page of apt-get to check what exactly apt-get autoclean cleans |
| 20:11.20 | lunitik | cydork: no... because then I can just mount / and get basic tools from /bin and /sbin if I encounter issues |
| 20:11.34 | cydork | kasper: just found this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Webcam-HOWTO/troubleshooting.html#NODEV |
| 20:12.06 | lunitik | Eulex: autoclean gets rid of old apt archives ... clean gets rid of all apt archives |
| 20:12.08 | Eulex | "The difference is that it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless." <--- nice :) |
| 20:12.21 | cydork | lunitik: i am too lazy for that!! i saperate boot if i want to try something. |
| 20:12.49 | pstickne | just installing a new package seems to want to get rid of half my packages :( |
| 20:12.51 | kasper | cydork: checking........ |
| 20:13.01 | lunitik | cydork: I don't seperate /boot because I'm too lazy to mount /boot and / when I encounter issues |
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| 20:13.12 | Eulex | well, that got me 350mb free, good start at least |
| 20:13.32 | lunitik | cydork: /boot alone is rather useless for fixing things |
| 20:13.33 | Eulex | oh |
| 20:13.56 | lindenle | my gaim windows text dissapears when it goes from background to foreground. I had the same problem with firefoc and fixed it by disabling lib cairo cn anyone tell me if gaim has the option to not use thi library. |
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| 20:14.13 | cydork | lunitik: well i used to install many linux oses for testing |
| 20:14.17 | EdLin | having /boot mounted seperately is a security and stability measure. |
| 20:14.18 | cydork | Eulex, heheh |
| 20:14.21 | lunitik | lindenle: known issue... |
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| 20:14.49 | lindenle | lunitik: in gaim? |
| 20:14.55 | lunitik | EdLin: how does it provide a security measure? |
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| 20:15.16 | lunitik | lindenle: GTK in general... apparently latest testing/unstable upload broke things for people horribly |
| 20:15.26 | lindenle | lunitik: I saw the bug report in firefox, but how do i disable for gaim? |
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| 20:16.01 | pstickne | I fetched testing 3-4 days ago and no GTK/FF issues. |
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| 20:16.25 | lindenle | lunitik: ah thanks I will ask at #gaim too |
| 20:16.45 | lunitik | Actually, I use Firefox on and off for pr0n needs... but thats about it (Konqi doesn't like being redirected...) |
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| 20:17.15 | lindenle | right |
| 20:17.47 | lindenle | for fireofx there is an easy way to tell it not to use the busted lib |
| 20:17.48 | ylooc | hi. about grsecurity kernel messages... is it possible to hide grsec messages from dmesg, hide from /var/log/syslog and add them only to /var/log/grsec.log ? |
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| 20:18.07 | lunitik | cydork: Konversation 8) |
| 20:18.14 | TTimo | hey .... how can I get a sarge system to boot on a RAID1 partition? |
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| 20:18.23 | lunitik | cydork: sirc = ksirc there? ew |
| 20:18.29 | TTimo | I have the array created, but it doesn't activate it during boot |
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| 20:19.35 | TTimo | my sid machines seem to pickup their raid without problems during boot. so started config the sarge ones the same, but whatever kernel setup they have ( latest official ) doesn't see the arrays during boot |
| 20:19.52 | lunitik | TTimo: I'm sure there are docs... afaik, no one in the channel right now has RAID experience with Debian, sorry |
| 20:20.18 | cydork | lunitik: there must be someone, many ppl use raid with debian |
| 20:20.51 | TTimo | I mean software raid, right |
| 20:20.55 | lunitik | cydork: I have a pretty good memory, and no one active right now has said anything that expresses knowledge on the subject with me around... |
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| 20:21.16 | TTimo | the soft raid howto suggests that it should work "out of the box" |
| 20:21.27 | kasper | cydork:lunitik: thanks guys but no dice. and i'm outta time for now. gotta go to physical therapy. bbl thanks agian!!! |
| 20:21.27 | TTimo | but the raid modules are in the initrd, not in the kernel itself |
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| 20:21.51 | TTimo | somehow I may have to pass some boot params to tell it to load the module and mount the arrays first ? |
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| 20:22.18 | lunitik | TTimo: afaik, you just go through to the partitioning step... and go through the RAID setup there... no experience that can help with issues though, sorry |
| 20:22.30 | TTimo | ok .. thks anyway |
| 20:22.42 | cydork | TTimo: there is a lot of difference in sarge and sid kernels |
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| 20:23.39 | lunitik | TTimo: If you've seen anything that suggests newer kernels are needed ... etch or (/msg sarge 2.6.16) discusses netinst images with newer kernels |
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| 20:24.16 | lunitik | Shouldn't be necessary though :/ |
| 20:24.17 | TTimo | it's a production system. I can't reinstall it. I was transitioning it from single HD to RAID1 |
| 20:24.37 | cydork | TTimo: no need to reinstall |
| 20:25.01 | cydork | luntikik: yep that's probable solution ! |
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| 20:25.24 | lunitik | TTimo: ahh... apt-cache search raid ... note things like mdadm and raidutils |
| 20:25.35 | TTimo | yeah all that is in there |
| 20:25.51 | lunitik | TTimo: read the docs with each? |
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| 20:26.08 | TTimo | I manually created the array already. my problem is just to get the kernel to activate it and have the root on it at boot |
| 20:26.18 | TTimo | oh yeah I read through those numerous times by now |
| 20:27.19 | lunitik | TTimo: try back later is my suggestion ... |
| 20:27.46 | TTimo | k |
| 20:28.13 | zinx | TTimo: tried the snapshots of the installer? |
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| 20:28.33 | TTimo | zinx, ... ? |
| 20:28.34 | lunitik | zinx: system is already up... he wants to transition to RAID in a running system |
| 20:28.45 | zinx | oh, nevermind then |
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| 20:30.36 | lunitik | zinx: he already set everything up... but mdadm isn't initializing the array at boot... any idea about that? |
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| 20:31.07 | zinx | lunitik: nope, never had enough capital to implement a RAID array here :/ |
| 20:31.31 | cydork | TTimo: hey found this http://www.epimetrics.com/topics/one-page?page_id=421&topic=Bit-head%20Stuff&page_topic_id=120#revise |
| 20:31.56 | pstickne | lunaphyte, can you bring it up after boot? |
| 20:32.10 | wam | Hi, I'm building fglrx-kernel-src with the recommended module-assistant-method and get these errors: |
| 20:32.10 | wam | In file included from /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:162: |
| 20:32.10 | wam | /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.h:274:5: warning: "FIREGL_VMA_INFO" is not defined |
| 20:32.11 | wam | /usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c:228: error: expected ‘)’ before string constant |
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| 20:32.22 | wam | sry |
| 20:32.29 | wam | any ideas? |
| 20:32.30 | lunitik | pstickne: thats the issue... but its TTimo with the issue, not me |
| 20:32.49 | pstickne | lunitik, doh, sorry :P |
| 20:32.57 | simonrvn | don't be sorry, just don't paste. ask first |
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| 20:33.20 | wam | simonrvn: I wasn't aware that it actually sends the lines. I wanted to edit them before.- |
| 20:33.25 | simonrvn | also the topic mentions these things quite often |
| 20:33.45 | wam | simonrvn: that's why I wanted to edit them. And that's why I AM sorry. |
| 20:33.45 | simonrvn | it's ok... you know now |
| 20:33.46 | TTimo | cydork, interesting .. it passes md=.. stuff on the command line |
| 20:33.50 | TTimo | gonna try that |
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| 20:33.57 | lunitik | simonrvn: hey, any idea about transitioning to RAID on a running system? TTimo is trying, but apparently he has everything set up, but mdadm isn't initializing the array... |
| 20:34.02 | cydork | TTimo: yep :P |
| 20:34.08 | simonrvn | wam: it's kinda lame joke dude. everything's cool :) |
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| 20:34.44 | wam | simonrvn: np |
| 20:34.50 | cydork | wam: can you paste the errors in the pastebin? |
| 20:34.55 | wam | Cycne: mom |
| 20:35.00 | simonrvn | shoot, i did this a while ago, but i didn't take any notes ... |
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| 20:35.03 | lunitik | simonrvn: RAID1 ... you're usually knowledgeable about such things though :o |
| 20:35.13 | cydork | mom?? |
| 20:35.18 | simonrvn | and this was year and a half ago.. |
| 20:35.24 | simonrvn | 'moment' |
| 20:35.44 | TTimo | I'll run to the data room see the md= boot option in a mo |
| 20:35.44 | cydork | simonrvn: moment has passed!! :P |
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| 20:36.51 | wam | cydork: http://pastebin.ca/112299 |
| 20:36.57 | simonrvn | you can luagh, it was meant funny :) |
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| 20:37.01 | simonrvn | laugh even |
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| 20:38.06 | simonrvn | the essential key i'm trying to remember is whether or not i had live data on one of the drives... no, i had made mdX partitions first. |
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| 20:38.33 | simonrvn | partitions, then mkfs, then mv data, then sync |
| 20:38.36 | cydork | wam: sid? checked BTS?? |
| 20:38.49 | simonrvn | well, it was syncing during step 2 |
| 20:39.08 | lunitik | simonrvn: seems cydork gave him a link that has enlightened him a little ... |
| 20:39.13 | simonrvn | i think you'll need to have the array already created |
| 20:39.16 | simonrvn | cool |
| 20:39.20 | wam | cydork: I read so much about missing {modules,kernel-options} for this driver that I didn't think about bts. But now as you mention... |
| 20:39.40 | wam | cydork: so this doesn't look like a direct missing module or something? |
| 20:39.51 | lunitik | simonrvn: thank you for the assistance though... :D |
| 20:39.58 | simonrvn | if all else fails the newer RAID HOWTO will have this stuff |
| 20:40.04 | cydork | wam: i dont think so. |
| 20:40.19 | wut | what's a good browser? |
| 20:40.19 | wam | cydork: thanks for the eye on this. |
| 20:40.21 | simonrvn | there's 2 hosted at tldp.org, the newer one is the better one, and more up to date |
| 20:40.29 | wut | excluding konqueror and anything mozilla |
| 20:40.32 | simonrvn | !start a browser war |
| 20:40.33 | dpkg | Netscape > Firebird! |
| 20:40.42 | lunitik | simonrvn: http://www.epimetrics.com/topics/one-page?page_id=421&topic=Bit-head%20Stuff&page_topic_id=120#revise <-- make for a dpkg worthy factoid? |
| 20:40.46 | simonrvn | firebird? sheesh |
| 20:40.50 | omong_kosong | wut: opera |
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| 20:41.10 | lunitik | simonrvn: lots of people ask about RAID1 ... seems to be pretty idiot proof instructions at a glance |
| 20:41.10 | cydork | wut: lynx |
| 20:41.20 | simonrvn | it is |
| 20:41.21 | Eulex | wut, xlinks2? dillo? |
| 20:41.31 | simonrvn | i read that howto, i was done in no time |
| 20:41.35 | wut | dillo.... |
| 20:42.23 | simonrvn | seems more than a few people think they have to reboot during the sync though, and then it has to start over again... |
| 20:42.25 | omong_kosong | !dillo |
| 20:42.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dillo is a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. http://dillo.sourceforge.net/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/dillo.png, or damned fast, but no frames |
| 20:42.48 | simonrvn | the howto says to *not* reboot, or else that happens... |
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| 20:43.01 | Eulex | wut, those two are lightweight, but well, it comes at a price |
| 20:43.13 | simonrvn | anyway, i have a lot of things to do |
| 20:43.25 | Eulex | debfoster is deprecated? |
| 20:43.57 | Eulex | and aptitude offers the same feature? how would I use it then? |
| 20:44.19 | simonrvn | yes. merged with deborphan IIRC, and there's aptitude. read the settings menu ;) |
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| 20:45.06 | lunitik | !raid1howto |
| 20:45.06 | dpkg | from memory, raid1howto is For a fairly complete guide to setting up RAID1 on a Sarge system, see: http://www.epimetrics.com/topics/one-page?page_id=421&topic=Bit-head%20Stuff&page_topic_id=120 |
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| 20:45.22 | lunitik | ^^ because I can't find a factoid that has it... but dunno where else to put it... |
| 20:46.15 | cydork | ya i added factoid about etch nvidia and etch sata too!! too many ppl had those problems |
| 20:46.24 | lunitik | Eulex: aptitude just remembers what you explicitly install ... I don't think there is anything like /var/lib/debfoster/keepers though |
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| 20:47.03 | lunitik | Eulex: also, aptitude will remove packages that weren't explicitly installed, and are not longer required by anything... |
| 20:47.12 | Eulex | lunitik, ok. well, imho it doesn't replace it then, as I don't use aptitude. |
| 20:47.53 | lunitik | Eulex: imo, its a better implementation of the same functionality... although they should provide a way to manually define packages to keep... |
| 20:48.18 | lunitik | Eulex: it is rather annoying having to actually 'aptitude install pkgaptitudewantstoremove' to keep it around |
| 20:48.33 | Eulex | lunitik, I |
| 20:48.36 | Eulex | 'd imagine so |
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| 20:49.05 | lunitik | Eulex: There is probably a better way to do it... but thats the only way I know of :( |
| 20:49.35 | warjest | lunitik: you good with raid5? |
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| 20:50.06 | lunitik | warjest: I have no first hand experience with RAID at all, unfortunately |
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| 20:50.12 | warjest | gah |
| 20:50.14 | simonrvn | !hold |
| 20:50.14 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 20:50.15 | warjest | can't find anyone who does |
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| 20:50.29 | simonrvn | or set it to not auto-remove unused stuff.. |
| 20:50.40 | cydork | warjest what seems to be the problem ?? |
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| 20:51.16 | lunitik | simonrvn: sometimes its useful to remove things you don't need... like artsbuilder is no longer depended on by kde-core etc... but sometimes its not useful... |
| 20:51.34 | SeanTater | how might I check that I'm using the /non-free/ nvidia drivers? |
| 20:51.36 | simonrvn | i do it manually.. deborphan |
| 20:51.37 | lunitik | simonrvn: never occured to me to use hold though... |
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| 20:51.43 | TTimo | w00t, it worked |
| 20:51.55 | ugly | 'sensors' output reports that it "Can't access procfs/sysfs file" even though /sys and /proc are populated. I'm using etch with the linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp package. I have i2c_i801 and eeprom modules loaded. Any ideas? |
| 20:51.58 | cydork | TTimo: great!!! |
| 20:51.58 | TTimo | for some reason it wanted me to pass root=/dev/hdb1 rather than a /dev/md0 |
| 20:52.09 | lunitik | simonrvn: deborphan only returns libraries, not unneeded deps |
| 20:52.43 | streuner | ugly: what happens if you use another kernel? |
| 20:53.05 | simonrvn | there's also gtkorphan it can do apps |
| 20:53.08 | Guerin | lunitik: untrue |
| 20:53.17 | Guerin | deborphan has a bunch of options |
| 20:53.24 | simonrvn | ...which uses deborphan as backend ... ;) |
| 20:53.31 | lunitik | Guerin: only other thing its ever returned here is java... although I've not looked into options too much |
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| 20:54.04 | ugly | streuner: I don't recall any different output with the 2.6.15-486 one, but I can try it again |
| 20:54.10 | ugly | sec |
| 20:54.25 | streuner | deborphan finds packages that have no packages depending on them. The _default_ operation is to search only within the libs and oldlibs sections to hunt down unused libraries. |
| 20:54.40 | warjest | cydork: # strace -f sdparm /dev/sda ||||| ioctl(3, SG_IO, 0x8074018) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 20:55.10 | warjest | the controller is 0000:01:02.1 RAID bus controller: Dell PowerEdge Expandable RAID Controller 3/Si (rev 01) || Subsystem: Dell PowerEdge 2450 |
| 20:55.26 | lunitik | streuner: I should probably look into it more... but on my system it would likely return a lot of things that were installed via Recommends that i want to keep... |
| 20:55.34 | simonrvn | duh, it's just saying it's not a tty, which it isn't ... |
| 20:55.52 | ugly | streuner: yea, same output |
| 20:55.54 | raf256 | anyone here have experience with open software organizations, business? |
| 20:55.58 | streuner | lunitik: that's out of the man-page ;-) |
| 20:56.09 | streuner | ugly: and an older kernel? |
| 20:56.18 | raf256 | I thought of starting small comapny that will promote usage of linux (perhaps also a small organization non-for-profit as well) |
| 20:56.19 | ugly | streuner: as in 2.4.x? |
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| 20:56.44 | streuner | ugly: for example, but did you look in BTS too? |
| 20:56.52 | lunitik | ugly: there are new 2.4.x kernels ... branch is still seeing development |
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| 20:57.18 | ugly | streuner: I'll check BTS |
| 20:57.22 | _rockstar | I have a vtun connection to my home network, and I'd like to pipe ALL network data through that encrypted tunnel and use my vtun server at my home as a gateway. Does anyone know of a good howto that might help me with the routes and iptables? I'm stuck and everything I read seems overkill. |
| 20:57.37 | streuner | Guerin: How is life today? |
| 20:58.10 | streuner | what time is it in .nz anyway? |
| 20:58.20 | cydork | warjest can you paste just output of sdparm in pastbin? |
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| 20:58.40 | warjest | cydork: it wont run. its entirely blank. |
| 20:58.53 | warjest | unless you want the strace of running sdparm? |
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| 20:59.21 | cydork | warjest: completely blank?? |
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| 20:59.45 | warjest | indeed |
| 20:59.45 | cydork | warjest: what is the total command you are using? |
| 20:59.54 | warjest | any sdparm command will not execute. |
| 20:59.56 | marcel__ | hi |
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| 21:00.29 | marcel__ | does anyone know how to install sound on debian? |
| 21:00.41 | streuner | marcel__: 2.6.x kernel? |
| 21:00.47 | marcel__ | yes |
| 21:00.54 | streuner | marcel__: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 21:01.12 | marcel__ | is it a question? |
| 21:01.23 | cydork | warjest: adding -v does somethin?? |
| 21:01.33 | streuner | the question mark seems to indicate this? ;-) |
| 21:01.40 | warjest | cydork: nope |
| 21:01.50 | warjest | cydork: #flood |
| 21:02.02 | marcel__ | I think it will show version of something. |
| 21:02.24 | streuner | yes, tell us the output too :-) |
| 21:02.57 | marcel__ | I am kind of new, but you have probably figured that one |
| 21:03.08 | marcel__ | output of what? |
| 21:03.13 | streuner | marcel__: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 21:03.25 | jetscreamer | !tell joseppc -about nvidia |
| 21:03.57 | marcel__ | I do not have debian here |
| 21:04.27 | marcel__ | but if I go to cat' /proc/version it will install it? |
| 21:04.37 | streuner | no |
| 21:04.49 | streuner | what distro do you use actually? |
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| 21:05.03 | marcel__ | what is distro? |
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| 21:05.17 | jetscreamer | aka 'where is your debian computer' marcel__ |
| 21:05.23 | streuner | debian, ubuntu, slackware, deadrat, suse... |
| 21:05.39 | aztech_ | anyone ever experience sortof a freeze-up when rebuilding software raid partitions in debian sarge w/2.6 kern? |
| 21:05.50 | marcel__ | right now I am using my friends computer - ubuntu, but I have debian at home. |
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| 21:06.04 | streuner | marcel__: #ubuntu |
| 21:06.19 | aztech_ | the system doesn't freeze, but some of my commands do until the rebuild completes |
| 21:06.22 | jetscreamer | marcel__: are you trying to fix your computer or your friends |
| 21:06.27 | aztech_ | commands like 'cat /proc/mdstat' |
| 21:06.30 | marcel__ | mine |
| 21:06.41 | marcel__ | I do not have sound |
| 21:06.45 | ugly | I noticed my '/sys/class/hwmon' is empty - I'd imagine that could account for the 'sensors' error message - is hwmon compiled into kernel 2.6.x images? it's not available as a module... |
| 21:06.45 | jetscreamer | marcel__: no internet at home eh |
| 21:07.13 | lunitik | marcel__: #debian will not assist with Ubuntu issues... sorry |
| 21:07.20 | jetscreamer | marcel__: it could be something as simple as being inthe audio group, or not having the proper kernel modules loaded, or something else |
| 21:07.32 | jetscreamer | lunitik: he's not trying to fix ubuntu |
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| 21:07.52 | jetscreamer | marcel__: so it would help if you were in this channel from your box at home |
| 21:07.56 | lunitik | jetscreamer: he said he has Debian at home, but is trying to fix a friends Ubuntu install... |
| 21:08.02 | jetscreamer | no |
| 21:08.04 | marcel__ | no |
| 21:08.11 | streuner | ugly: strange |
| 21:08.14 | marcel__ | Debian- sound |
| 21:08.24 | jetscreamer | [16.07.24] <marcel__> mine |
| 21:08.29 | jetscreamer | after i asked him specifically |
| 21:08.31 | marcel__ | Yes, I will go home and try to connect |
| 21:08.33 | streuner | ugly: did you grep the config of your kernel yet? |
| 21:08.40 | marcel__ | thank you very much for your time |
| 21:08.48 | ugly | streuner: for HWMON or? |
| 21:08.49 | jetscreamer | marcel__: it would be easier |
| 21:09.00 | marcel__ | bye |
| 21:09.04 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 21:09.16 | lunitik | marcel__: aptitude install alsa-utils and see if 'alsaconf' does anything useful for you... |
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| 21:09.39 | streuner | ugly: sure |
| 21:10.09 | streuner | ugly: grep -i hwmon /boot/`uname -r` , CONFIG_HWMON=y |
| 21:10.20 | hyde | I want to install 2.6 kernel for debian, what't the parameter to pass for the boot cdrom? |
| 21:10.24 | lunitik | marcel__: needs to be run as root though... |
| 21:10.32 | streuner | ugly: knusper:/boot# grep -i hwmon /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:10.38 | ugly | ah |
| 21:10.50 | JulianTifflor | E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory) <-- what can i do about that ? |
| 21:10.59 | lunitik | hyde: 'linux26' ? |
| 21:11.00 | streuner | dpkg, status |
| 21:11.01 | dpkg | Since Mon Jul 31 07:47:04 2006, there have been 19 modifications, 853 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 194 commands. I have been awake for 2d 13h 23m 57s this session, and currently reference 36832 factoids. I'm using about 14512 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 286/16.87 child 0/0.01 |
| 21:11.03 | jetscreamer | hyde unless you have an old version it's the default, but linux or linux26 should work iirc depending on new/old installer respectively |
| 21:11.04 | streuner | hm |
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| 21:11.19 | jetscreamer | try linux26 first |
| 21:11.23 | joseppc | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 21:11.26 | jetscreamer | it errors then just linux |
| 21:11.27 | ugly | streuner: yeah, it has CONFIG_HWMON=y |
| 21:11.31 | jetscreamer | joseppc: np |
| 21:11.32 | hyde | jetscreamer: not the default, the default is 2.4 kernel |
| 21:11.50 | jetscreamer | hyde then you probably have rc1 not 2.. |
| 21:11.57 | jetscreamer | err r1 not 2 |
| 21:12.02 | jetscreamer | linux26 |
| 21:12.10 | hyde | linux26 works, thanks. |
| 21:12.16 | jetscreamer | and you gotta watch the sources.list i think |
| 21:12.31 | lunitik | jetscreamer: umm, for 'linux26'? |
| 21:12.33 | jetscreamer | it will install for 'testing' i think |
| 21:12.49 | streuner | JulianTifflor: do you have a status-old file? |
| 21:12.52 | jetscreamer | no for etch/sarge |
| 21:12.56 | hyde | I got the latest stable one, 3.1, sarge, is it rc1 or 2? |
| 21:13.04 | jetscreamer | r2 |
| 21:13.11 | lunitik | jetscreamer: for sarge, linux26 just changes default kernel, nothing else... etch installer installs 2.6 by default... |
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| 21:13.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:13.40 | hyde | etch is newer than sarge? |
| 21:13.49 | jetscreamer | yes but it's testing not stable |
| 21:13.54 | jetscreamer | sarge is stable |
| 21:14.00 | hyde | ok, I will stick to sarge then. |
| 21:14.17 | jetscreamer | r1 had a sources.list 'bug' iirc |
| 21:14.24 | jetscreamer | but i forget |
| 21:14.29 | beardy | No, that was r0. |
| 21:14.30 | jetscreamer | or r0 |
| 21:14.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:14.32 | lunitik | jetscreamer: oh... I wasn't aware of that |
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| 21:15.40 | beardy | well, "bug", a # before the security updates IIRC |
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| 21:15.47 | jetscreamer | anyway, tasksel BAD! |
| 21:15.49 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:16.19 | beardy | Some people wants it I guess.. |
| 21:16.28 | jetscreamer | unless you like lots and dont' care |
| 21:16.48 | zinx | lunitik: there is! |
| 21:16.55 | lunitik | Hidden only because normal users shouldn't do it... but it'd speed up install here... |
| 21:17.06 | lunitik | zinx: ahh... well hidden then :( |
| 21:17.15 | zinx | can't tell you how many times i've installed sid via the etch installer |
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| 21:17.29 | zinx | or sarge installer :/ |
| 21:17.33 | lunitik | zinx: care to enlighten? because that'd be neat |
| 21:17.36 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 21:17.46 | jetscreamer | just edit the sources. |
| 21:17.53 | zinx | it asks for the sources |
| 21:18.08 | zinx | you just give it sid sources :/ |
| 21:18.10 | jetscreamer | be careful when you 'select a mirror' or it will overwrite |
| 21:18.16 | lunitik | jetscreamer: ahh... I do that... still installs base from dist the installer is for here initially... |
| 21:18.23 | streuner | ugly: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327 |
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| 21:18.32 | zinx | lunitik: use the business card CD |
| 21:18.42 | zinx | or don't worry about it. the base system isn't a whole heck of a lot anyway. |
| 21:18.44 | ugly | streuner: yeah, I'm recompiling |
| 21:18.46 | jetscreamer | i finally put another box together and am getting some better uptime |
| 21:18.48 | ugly | skeptical that'll work though |
| 21:19.01 | lunitik | zinx: I use netinst ... has even less on the CD for it to use... |
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| 21:19.48 | jetscreamer | yeah netinst or you have to install/d/ldard base stuff agai |
| 21:19.56 | jetscreamer | err standard/base |
| 21:20.16 | Morydd | what is the restart command for iptables? |
| 21:20.19 | zinx | lunitik: eh, the business card CD downloads the base system |
| 21:20.27 | zinx | lunitik: business is smaller than netinst |
| 21:20.30 | streuner | ugly: seems a common problem with 2.6.16 and etch... |
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| 21:20.51 | lunitik | zinx: ahh... maybe I'll try that again then.... iir I had issues with business card cd |
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| 21:21.15 | nekostar | !codecs |
| 21:21.21 | lunitik | nekostar: /msg bots |
| 21:21.22 | nekostar | !w32codecs |
| 21:21.22 | dpkg | it has been said that w32codecs is a package that is not in Debian due to legal issues. The package provides numerous codecs for popular (but proprietary) multimedia codecs, such as avi, wmv, wma, normally found on windows systems. Ask me about <marillat> or <debian-multimedia> for more information on how to get support for these codecs in debian. There is an article at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 about w32codecs that ad |
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| 21:22.20 | ugly | wtf |
| 21:22.37 | ugly | "dh_clean: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory" when using module-assistant to build lm-sensors package |
| 21:22.38 | lunitik | ugly: wtf @ what? |
| 21:22.47 | ugly | it doesn't include the debian folder?? |
| 21:22.57 | ugly | lm-sensors-source, that is |
| 21:23.23 | lunitik | ugly: lm-sensors only works on i386 now, and is in the archive... why are you compiling? (just curious..) |
| 21:23.33 | streuner | ugly: why not just try /msg dpkg simple sid backport? |
| 21:23.51 | ugly | lunitik: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327 |
| 21:24.09 | ugly | the "Can't access procfs/sysfs file" error message |
| 21:24.30 | ugly | lunitik: ok, yeah, I'm using 686 - what are my options then? |
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| 21:24.50 | lunitik | ugly: i386* ... works on 686 |
| 21:25.03 | nekostar | ok ive got the wierdest problem |
| 21:25.24 | Jemt | Greetz. After connecting my monitor through a KVM switch, my resolution is suddently very low. Could it be the KVM switch is not supporting DPMS? |
| 21:25.24 | nekostar | when i reboot my compy, it makes me have a cd in the cd drive in order to get to read grub <>> menu.1st etc |
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| 21:25.31 | nekostar | any clue wtf could cause that ? |
| 21:25.55 | lunitik | streuner: simple sid backport is waaayyy tooo much to type for a factoid :P |
| 21:26.46 | streuner | dpkg, ssb is see simple sid backport |
| 21:26.46 | dpkg | ...but ssb is already something else... |
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| 21:26.52 | streuner | !ssb |
| 21:26.53 | ugly | ah, lm-sensors-source is just for 2.4.x modules anyway - useless |
| 21:26.53 | dpkg | simple sid backport is probably 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 21:26.59 | xst | I have some questions about how ssh works: First, are there any security difference between using "keyboard interaction" authentication and "private/public key" authentication? I mean: Both are using public/private keys for the encryption anyways |
| 21:27.06 | johnga1t | having (what i think are) some iptables troubles. any experts? |
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| 21:27.34 | lunitik | streuner: ;) |
| 21:27.46 | lunitik | streuner: don did it yesterday |
| 21:29.00 | crazy_penguin | good night all! sleep well! :) |
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| 21:29.37 | streuner | keep in mind, in oz area the just wake up... :-) |
| 21:29.40 | lunitik | xst: one requires users to type a password... the other doesn't... just exchange of keys |
| 21:30.08 | lunitik | streuner: just keeping you up with latest factoid changes so you don't have to type so much :D |
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| 21:30.55 | streuner | lunitik: no worries, modern irc-clients are able to use aliases ;-) |
| 21:31.24 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? = "y" here... ;-) |
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| 21:32.24 | lunitik | can type lazily as he would to friends... and not come off as a moron :D |
| 21:33.25 | lunitik | Well, not come off as a moron based solely on the way he types.... |
| 21:34.17 | Morydd | what is the restart command for iptables? |
| 21:34.46 | lunitik | Morydd: probably /etc/init.d/iptables restart ... or just 'iptables restart' |
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| 21:35.25 | Morydd | lunitik: nope. Neither of those. |
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| 21:35.48 | xst | lunitik: ok, thanks |
| 21:38.18 | xst | One more ssh question: If some network sniffer guy captures a whole ssh session between two hosts, will he then be able to take the role as the first host at a later point by performing some kind of a replay-attack (replying parts of the transmission)? And worse: Can he decode it in any way? (Guess he can't do the later unless he has one of the private keys, right?) |
| 21:38.55 | lunitik | xst: where there is a will, there is always a way... |
| 21:39.06 | lunitik | xst: highly unlikely though |
| 21:39.54 | lunitik | xst: unless you maintain a highly public domain, its rather pointless... most crackers don't waste time with small networks... |
| 21:40.36 | xst | lunitik: But I'm a bit paranoid about the potential replay attack. The public/private keys generated by ssh aren |
| 21:40.52 | xst | 't beein outdated and can therefore be reused - as far as I understand |
| 21:41.11 | aztech_ | xst: you can only perform a man-in-the-middle attack against ssh2 if you intercepted the traffic during the original key exchange (the one where it prompts you the first time you login with yes/no) |
| 21:41.34 | aztech_ | so do this, where no one can intercept, and you'll be fine |
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| 21:44.50 | freebox | hello :) |
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| 21:45.02 | freebox | How i can make that all files created in /tmp go to permission 755? |
| 21:45.30 | warjest | freebox: set a umask in fstab for that partition |
| 21:45.30 | xst | aztech_: I don't think I understand completely. Actually there are two subproblems: 1) We agree that he can't *decode* without the private key, right? 2) But he might just replay the session. Or what? Hmm, what could he intercept during the initial key exchange? It's only public keys anyway? I'm confused. :-) |
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| 21:46.29 | freebox | waiting: How? My fstab have it: LABEL=/tmp /tmp ext3 defaults 1 2 |
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| 21:47.11 | warjest | freebox: man mount; man fstab |
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| 21:48.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.28 | aztech_ | xst: the very first time you connect, the server sends you it's public key. You have to trust this key, and ssh asks if you want to do this. This is the only vulnerable point I know of in an SSH session where you could be hijacked. |
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| 21:50.54 | xst | aztech_: Aaah, that starts to make sense. So the potential problem could be if it is actually the public key for the man-in-the-middle person I get? Right? Then he can, ofcourse, see everything I type. |
| 21:51.41 | aztech_ | xst: exactly |
| 21:52.43 | ajt | Can someone recommend a wireless pci card that works out of the box? |
| 21:52.44 | SerajewelKS | there's some utility that will show the throughput on a pipeline, but i can't remember what it's called |
| 21:53.10 | SerajewelKS | it was something short |
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| 21:54.21 | justdoit | irc.penguinmeat.com #warez-4-u check it :) |
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| 21:55.19 | lunitik | !tell ajt about wireless |
| 21:55.37 | lunitik | ajt: browse around the site dpkg just told you about... |
| 21:56.19 | xst | aztech_: OK, great. Whenever I establish a new ssh session in a conventional way (e.g. by keyboard interaction), is my ssh client then generating a new private key each time? That would indeed make it more secure. |
| 21:56.35 | lunitik | Whats the point of stealing things that are freely available? |
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| 21:57.03 | ajt | lunitik: thanks |
| 21:57.19 | roberto | Hmm... so what action can one take to attempt to get the latest WINE into sid? |
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| 21:57.44 | steinchen | good eve |
| 21:57.47 | roberto | Right now it's 3 versions behind (0.9.15 in sid/etch vs. 0.9.18) and some very important changes have been made in the last couple WINE versions. |
| 21:57.53 | steinchen | how do i read out the s/n from a harddisk? |
| 22:00.05 | lunitik | roberto: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/ |
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| 22:00.24 | lunitik | roberto: although, maintainer of that site maintains wine for debian too... so should just be a matter of time :/ |
| 22:00.30 | roberto | lunitik: Those are Ubuntu packages? |
| 22:00.34 | aztech_ | xst: it doesn't generate a new key each time, it just uses the server's keys to setup the exchange. |
| 22:00.39 | Morydd | Does anyone know the restart command for iptables? |
| 22:01.05 | lunitik | Actually, I stand corrected, apparently Ritchie doesn't maintain the Debian packages anymore |
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| 22:01.22 | lunitik | roberto: it'd still work... wine depends very little specific to ubuntu or debian |
| 22:01.24 | Greg\ory | hi |
| 22:01.30 | roberto | lunitik: Are those Ubuntu packages installable on testing/unstable? |
| 22:01.38 | roberto | Okay... |
| 22:02.00 | roberto | I guess I'll just add that to my sources.list and get that 0.9.18 .deb |
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| 22:02.10 | xst | aztech_: So another user on the same host as me will therefore use the same private key? In that way he will be able to decode the session if he logs the transmission, as far as I can see. |
| 22:02.18 | lunitik | roberto: yes :/ |
| 22:02.49 | roberto | lunitik: One more question: in the official Debian repos, there are numerous WINE packages, including wine-gl, wine-alsa, and wine-dev. The WineHQ Deb repo lacks those. |
| 22:02.54 | lunitik | roberto: its for "Ubuntu, Debian, and Debian-based" :/ |
| 22:02.56 | [6502] | does anyone have a good pointer about how to use USB storage devices on a debian sarge ? i'm totally confused ... |
| 22:02.59 | Greg\ory | how do we prevent directory transversal for unprivileged users ? |
| 22:03.13 | roberto | Well, it has wine-dev, wine, libwine, and libwine-dev, but that's it. |
| 22:03.21 | lunitik | roberto: yes, because those are different choices made by two maintainers |
| 22:03.28 | roberto | Are those packages compiled with OpenGL/DirectX and ALSA/OSS support? |
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| 22:04.06 | lunitik | roberto: no idea... |
| 22:05.16 | jnguy | Hello |
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| 22:05.24 | jnguy | How do I figure out what package a file is associated with? |
| 22:05.32 | roberto | Some improvements in the last couple versions of WINE allow Source games to be played with a 10-15fps increase. |
| 22:05.36 | lunitik | jnguy: dpkg -S somefile |
| 22:05.50 | jnguy | lunitik: Thanks! |
| 22:05.54 | lunitik | roberto: #wine |
| 22:06.08 | roberto | Ahem, I think you mean: #winehq |
| 22:06.16 | roberto | =P |
| 22:06.18 | lunitik | roberto: whatever, not here... |
| 22:06.26 | [6502] | whine ? |
| 22:06.42 | lunitik | [6502]: PokerStars.NET support :P |
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| 22:07.24 | lunitik | I enjoy playing poker though, and nothing else is close on the Linux platform :( |
| 22:07.33 | Guerin | play it with people |
| 22:07.47 | [6502] | luntik: i'm quite happy with debian ... however, for example, USB is driving me mad |
| 22:07.51 | Guerin | poker is 10% luck and 90% psychology |
| 22:08.07 | Guerin | it doesn't translate well into a computer game, except as a game of odds |
| 22:08.18 | lunitik | Guerin: that's fine, when there are tournaments etc.... afaik, there are no tournaments at 3 am ? |
| 22:08.21 | [6502] | luntik: soundcard issues are another are in which linux is parsec from being usable for a non-geek |
| 22:08.30 | [6502] | are=area |
| 22:08.42 | Guerin | lunitik: in my country, we have these things called 'friends' with whom you can enjoy a game of cards |
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| 22:10.19 | lunitik | Guerin: PokerStars and similar are a good way to see situations... there is certainly a lot of psychology ... but also a lot of math if its played correctly... and the math translates to any medium |
| 22:10.34 | Ronin | lunitik: good way to kill time at work as well :) |
| 22:10.59 | lunitik | Ronin: you're supposed to be doing productive things at work! (but yes, yes it is :o) |
| 22:11.26 | Eulex | lunitik, that's the right way. go get some new friends :) |
| 22:11.32 | Ronin | personally i dont play it, or real poker, aside from with my grandfather when he was alive |
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| 22:13.38 | lunitik | [6502]: that was true even as lately as a year ago, for the most part, most sound issues are solved, or at least a lot better today though... |
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| 22:14.47 | cydork | [6502]: what is the problem? |
| 22:15.44 | lunitik | cydork: I don't think he has a problem, just making an unfortunate statement imo |
| 22:16.01 | cydork | lunitik: then i cant help ;) |
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| 22:17.05 | lunitik | cydork: basically saying sound requires geek status to set up on Linux... in 2.6.16 and later kernels though, almost all complexity is taken away.... |
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| 22:17.52 | [6502] | lunitik: in my current setup everything works ok (sort of), but for example the first time I run VLC i get a segfault, from the second time on it works ok |
| 22:17.54 | lunitik | cydork: in 2.6.16 and later, dmix is enabled by default, and in most cases, udev configures sound cards fine... so its unlikely you'd run into any issues... |
| 22:17.56 | pstickne | AC97 compat + 2.6 + alsaconf - brain = sound working here :) |
| 22:18.12 | cydork | lunitik: true, i always had to compile my kernel to get the sound card, acpi working :P |
| 22:18.23 | [6502] | lunitik: i'm sure it's about the audio and the plethora of available daemons and adapters |
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| 22:19.01 | lunitik | [6502]: thats what dmix on by default solves ... now... daemons and apps that want to access things themselves are all happy... |
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| 22:19.20 | cydork | pstickne: so you accept that no brains are required for that :P |
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| 22:19.48 | lunitik | [6502]: what kernel are you using currently? |
| 22:20.00 | pstickne | cydork, once I correctly built the 2.6.16 kernel ;) |
| 22:20.10 | aztech_ | xst: well, there's 2 ways to use SSH, 1 is to use passwords. Basically an encrypted telnet session. The other way is to use your own keys. |
| 22:20.19 | cydork | pstickne, :) |
| 22:21.31 | [6502] | lunitik: dmix ... this sounds new to my linuxnewbie ears; i suppose I should go for an aptitude install of it on top of all the other stuff |
| 22:22.02 | lunitik | [6502]: in 2.6.16 and later, you needn't worry about what it is for the most part |
| 22:22.13 | Jemt | Can someone tell me which H/V sync I should use to get 75 or 85 Hz ? |
| 22:22.17 | Jemt | (On my monitor) |
| 22:22.29 | cydork | lunitik: man i still get confues when i use 2.6.15 :) |
| 22:22.34 | Guerin | !drxx jemt |
| 22:22.35 | dpkg | jemt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:22.38 | cydork | s/15/15 |
| 22:22.43 | lunitik | [6502]: its basically software mixing for crap cards directly via alsa ... instead of using arts/esd/etc |
| 22:23.32 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 22:23.42 | Jemt | Guerin: What does drxx stand for ? |
| 22:23.49 | lunitik | !drxx |
| 22:23.49 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 22:24.10 | krassy | In debian sarge and samba 3.0.23 when i test my smb.conf with testparm in section global i don`t see "security = user" definition.When i change this definition in smb.conf to "security = share" and dump with testparm i see it . IS THIS NORMAL ? |
| 22:24.32 | lunitik | Jemt: stop thinking, its bad for you.... just type it as root |
| 22:24.42 | hotwire | hey if i want to upgrade to etch from sarge do i just change stable to testing in the sources.list the apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:24.57 | cydork | !sarge->etch |
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| 22:25.19 | Greg\ory | what is pam_unix ? |
| 22:25.19 | lunitik | Jemt: "it" being "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as the factoid states |
| 22:25.31 | [6502] | lunitik: 2.4.27 ... may be ? |
| 22:25.50 | lunitik | [6502]: I have no idea about the 2.4.x branch |
| 22:25.55 | cydork | !tell hotwire about sarge->etch |
| 22:26.16 | hotwire | thanks :) |
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| 22:26.53 | cydork | [6502], if you use 2.4 you should not complain i guess :P |
| 22:27.07 | [6502] | how often should one reinstall everything from scratch just for not being abandoned ? |
| 22:27.11 | krassy | !tell krassy about sarge->etch |
| 22:27.38 | lunitik | cydork: for all I know, 2.4.x could have had alsa merged too... and could have dmix enabled by default too... who knows... |
| 22:27.48 | cydork | krassy, /msg dpkg sarge->etch works also. |
| 22:28.03 | [6502] | cydork: i'm not sure i'm using 2.4.27; but i've a /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 so I supposed so |
| 22:28.17 | Jemt | lunitik: ... |
| 22:28.30 | lunitik | Jemt: ? |
| 22:28.32 | cydork | lunitik, well i have no idea about 2.4.x, haven't used it in long time |
| 22:28.32 | [6502] | lunitik: that's what sarge came with |
| 22:28.44 | hotwire | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory), when chanfe stable to etch i get this error |
| 22:28.47 | lunitik | [6502]: sarge came with 2.6.8 too |
| 22:28.48 | cydork | [6502], uname -r |
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| 22:29.13 | Jemt | Hm, it seems that generating a new MD5 sum for the xorg.conf file does not solve the problem with dpkg-reconfigure. I still can't write changes - the program returns the following error; "warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized" |
| 22:29.14 | [6502] | but yes, there's alsa too (among a lot of other nasty daemons all fighting for my poor soundcard) |
| 22:29.16 | lunitik | [6502]: 2.4.x was just default if you didn't read install options |
| 22:29.20 | krassy | cydork:thanx |
| 22:29.36 | Jemt | And I'm using X.org 7 |
| 22:29.43 | lunitik | [6502]: just like woody defaulted to 2.2.x, but contained 2.4.x too |
| 22:30.01 | [6502] | lunitik: i always accept default options because there is a slightly higher probabilty someone actually tested it |
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| 22:31.21 | lunitik | Basically "here's a setup that will get you started if you have no idea what you're doing" |
| 22:31.27 | cydork | [6502], not true, when debian says somthing is stable it's stable :) |
| 22:31.52 | cydork | [6502], then you can't complain about stability |
| 22:32.06 | cydork | !tell [6502] about backports |
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| 22:32.30 | [6502] | cydork: i've a few backported packages too |
| 22:32.44 | lunitik | [6502]: mixing debian and ubuntu is basically saying "I want my system to break, thank you" |
| 22:32.53 | cydork | [6502], then why ubuntu??? |
| 22:33.19 | [6502] | cydork: and i've also installed some stuff manually from sources (e.g. to be able to have both qt3 and qt4 that for some stupid reasons are considered incompatible packages) |
| 22:33.50 | cydork | [6502], compiling your stuff is better that installing ubuntu pakages on debian :) |
| 22:34.05 | cydork | lunitik, what do you think? |
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| 22:34.37 | [6502] | cydork: or even python, i wanted python 2.4 but i feared about upgrading, so i've both 2.3 and 2.4 |
| 22:34.37 | lunitik | cydork: sure |
| 22:35.05 | lunitik | [6502]: as far as I can tell... libqt4-* doesn't conflict qt3 here... |
| 22:35.27 | [6502] | lunitik: it does on sarge backports, or it was conflicting some time ago when I tried to install |
| 22:36.10 | [6502] | lunitik: how can I trust packages made up by someone that thinks that qt4 is an upgrade from qt3 (and not something quite different) ? |
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| 22:37.18 | lunitik | [6502]: you're running Debian... backports folks are DD's :/ |
| 22:37.30 | lunitik | [6502]: if you don't trust them, maybe you should try another distro? |
| 22:37.53 | [6502] | lunitik: i just moved my installation from the old 13Gb disk to a new 200Gb disk, I wonder if I should reinstall from scratch instead |
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| 22:38.22 | cydork | [6502], you have to understand that there are many issues while backporting! |
| 22:38.30 | lunitik | [6502]: up to you... maybe you'd set it up better now due to better understanding though? |
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| 22:38.46 | mha11 | what document for office can export that could be readble in OpenOffice ? |
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| 22:39.00 | [6502] | lunitik: going for "stable" looked a good idea for me, now seems that stable means "dead, not supported, just buzz away you idiot" |
| 22:39.04 | lunitik | mha11: * |
| 22:39.04 | Guerin | mha11: rtf is the one true open document format |
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| 22:39.26 | cydork | [6502], stable is supported! it is just frozen! |
| 22:39.44 | mha11 | Guerin: could there be funcions in it ? |
| 22:39.48 | ttyfscker | has anyone in here gotten vmware to work on kernel 2.6.18? |
| 22:39.53 | lunitik | [6502]: stable means "this is what we support"... but testing also has security now... so many have switched to that |
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| 22:40.24 | lunitik | Guerin: odf ? :( |
| 22:40.31 | Rothgar | How can I view memory usage? |
| 22:40.41 | lunitik | Rothgar: free or top |
| 22:40.43 | amphi | Rothgar: free, top, ... |
| 22:40.51 | lunitik | amphi: beat ya :P |
| 22:40.56 | Guerin | lunitik: too new. |
| 22:41.04 | amphi | lunitik: ;) |
| 22:41.08 | Rothgar | ;P |
| 22:41.12 | Guerin | mha11: no idea. oo.o can open ms word doc as wlel |
| 22:41.15 | ttyfscker | Rothgar free -m |
| 22:41.17 | [6502] | cydork: thin ice, either you're not actually using it, or once you for example install a video driver that's not dog slow "ah-ahhhhhhhh... so it's your fault, you installed a program" |
| 22:41.18 | SherLock | use free command in terminal |
| 22:41.19 | amphi | !win lunitik |
| 22:41.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, lunitik! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:41.33 | lunitik | Guerin: many government agencies are adopting it... also, can be loaded into msoffice too |
| 22:41.46 | lunitik | That prize sucks :'( |
| 22:42.02 | lunitik | Plus, I'm not American, so its an illegal prize! |
| 22:42.14 | mha11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.30 | [6502] | any good pointer about how to configure debian sarge for USB storage devices ? |
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| 22:42.47 | SherLock | 6502 |
| 22:42.50 | pstickne | [6502], mine worked out of the box for mass storage |
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| 22:42.54 | SherLock | u can mount |
| 22:42.57 | cydork | [6502], what does dmesg show? |
| 22:43.01 | SherLock | easy |
| 22:43.04 | lunitik | mha11: OpenOffice.org can open any Microsoft Office document with relatively good success (wrt formatting etc... sometimes isn't perfect) |
| 22:43.13 | amphi | lunitik: they're going to change the constitution so the governator can be POTUS, so you have a chance ;) |
| 22:43.22 | mha11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.35 | SherLock | mount /dev/sda0 /mnt/mp3player ... |
| 22:43.35 | lunitik | amphi: POTUS? |
| 22:43.44 | amphi | lunitik: president of the us |
| 22:43.56 | mha11 | lunitik: here is how i got my homework |
| 22:43.58 | _rockstar | I've got a virtual tunnel interfaced that I need to connect with my eth0 as a gateway. Can anyone tell me what I need to do to iptables to do that? |
| 22:44.18 | pstickne | !masq |
| 22:44.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 22:44.50 | [6502] | do i need to reboot to get messages that scrolled out of the ring buffer ? |
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| 22:45.12 | cydork | [6502], try lsusb |
| 22:45.15 | pstickne | [6502], /var/log/dmesg |
| 22:45.18 | _rockstar | pstickne, thanks. |
| 22:45.28 | Guerin | mha13: rtf, then. |
| 22:45.46 | stew | [6502]: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 22:46.12 | [6502] | cydork: i see bus 005 Device 005: ID:Bus 005 Device 005: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Hi-Speed 16-in-1 Flash Card Reader/Writer |
| 22:46.27 | SherLock | !top |
| 22:46.27 | dpkg | hmm... top is a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q';; The Other Peter |
| 22:46.32 | cydork | [6502], do what stew says! |
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| 22:47.17 | lunitik | mha13: what exactly is wrong with that? I have no idea what any of it means, but it seems to be displayed fine? what _should_ it look like? |
| 22:47.30 | SherLock | !man top |
| 22:47.47 | lunitik | SherLock: #debian isn't a terminal |
| 22:47.49 | SherLock | !seen mohsenh |
| 22:47.49 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mohsenh', SherLock |
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| 22:48.10 | cydork | SherLock, use /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 22:48.15 | pstickne | it would be nice if it gave a link to an online corresponding manpage :) |
| 22:48.22 | SherLock | lunitik thatz just a test |
| 22:48.38 | krassy | !seen jivko |
| 22:48.38 | dpkg | krassy: i haven't seen 'jivko' |
| 22:49.12 | krassy | !seen abortman |
| 22:49.13 | dpkg | krassy: i haven't seen 'abortman' |
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| 22:49.31 | anabain | anyone with sid that has last dist-upgraded has got problems with X? |
| 22:49.31 | lunitik | krassy: stop |
| 22:49.33 | SherLock | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.00 | SherLock | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.15 | anabain | It seems as if my /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/Xorg file has corrupted after the last upgrade... |
| 22:50.20 | mha13 | lunitik: the formulas are unreadble : the numbers are above the letters and so you cannot as in 44) you can't really figure up what is should be written here how it should look : http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/871/afterfq3.png |
| 22:50.33 | farous | what driver module or package i need to enable my easycam logitech web cam. Using etch here? |
| 22:50.34 | pstickne | anabain, someone had a similar problem I think yesterday |
| 22:50.49 | mha13 | lunitik: look at the first two lines |
| 22:50.51 | pstickne | anabain, just fix the link manually? |
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| 22:51.07 | pstickne | !webcam |
| 22:51.07 | dpkg | somebody said webcam was a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 22:51.15 | anabain | pstickne, I get a character mess in the file... oh no, it's not about the symlink, but the file |
| 22:51.28 | pstickne | anabain, no clue then :( |
| 22:51.39 | farous | got it pstickne was asking the wrong questions to dpkg thanx |
| 22:52.00 | lunitik | mha13: yes... thats you correcting the format? |
| 22:52.04 | [6502] | "consult /proc/partitions to see if it has partitions" |
| 22:52.24 | anabain | pstickne, np, ;) |
| 22:52.33 | [6502] | am I expected to do that every time I plug an usb storage device ? or is it a joke ? |
| 22:52.42 | pstickne | [6502], fdisk -l /dev/x |
| 22:52.48 | pstickne | [6502], to see what partitions there are |
| 22:52.49 | mha13 | lunitik: :yep .. |
| 22:52.54 | lunitik | mha13: its hard to convince people to use things unless there are others in your class that have issues with the file... |
| 22:53.12 | lunitik | mha13: he's unlikely to change for one student |
| 22:53.13 | Guerin | [6502]: hal and various userspace tools have autodetector gadgets |
| 22:53.18 | pstickne | [6502], I only have one hdd and it's always sda |
| 22:53.30 | lunitik | mha13: just tell you "use MS Office" |
| 22:53.36 | Guerin | lunitik: if he's like any sane university, he'll HAVE to change for one student |
| 22:53.38 | [6502] | pstickne: /dev/x means checking say sda/sdb/sdc/sdd/.../sdh to see where it got ? |
| 22:54.10 | mha13 | lunitik:hmm .. 2500$ for a symaster in universty |
| 22:54.11 | [6502] | pstickne: tonight i was actually able to use an USB storage device (an HP photosmart scanner), and it was /dev/sde |
| 22:54.14 | pstickne | [6502], they are different. /proc/partitions will show all, fdisk -l will list for one. it's more specific. |
| 22:54.24 | pstickne | [6502], but not good if you don't know the device :) |
| 22:54.36 | mha13 | lunitik: i ment im peying i don't care if it is only me .. |
| 22:54.58 | [6502] | guerin: but they're not in sarge, i suppose |
| 22:55.07 | pstickne | [6502], but listen to lunitik / Guerin |
| 22:55.16 | Guerin | [6502]: no, they're much newer than sarge |
| 22:55.31 | lunitik | mha13: maybe point him towards OpenOffice.org for Windows... show him that anyone can use that, and have him use it too... |
| 22:55.51 | lunitik | mha13: then, if he still wants to use those formats, it'll still look better for you... |
| 22:55.53 | r000t | does someone here know about configuring virtual interfaces with dhcp |
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| 22:56.08 | mha13 | lunitik:i could try .. a 65 year old math proffecor .. |
| 22:56.38 | Guerin | mha13: could your spelling get any worse? |
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| 22:57.16 | lunitik | mha13: Konversation has auto spell checking :D |
| 22:57.27 | [6502] | pstickne: /dev/sda1 now worked for the card reader... |
| 22:57.58 | lunitik | mha13: I don't know how successful you'll be though, old people are pretty set in their ways usually... good luck though :D |
| 22:58.04 | [6502] | pstickne: but i had to become root and edit fstab |
| 22:58.24 | pstickne | [6502], you don't need to edit fstab unless you want mount magic |
| 22:58.25 | lunitik | mha13: even just getting him to use OpenOffice with .doc would mean its better for everyone... |
| 22:58.35 | peterS | [6502]: you're running the 8-bit version of Debian? |
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| 22:58.41 | lunitik | mha13: would be formatted correctly etc |
| 22:59.05 | [6502] | pstickne: it tells me "only root can do that" if I try a mount for a device that's not listed in fstab with the "user" flag on |
| 22:59.24 | [6502] | peterS: LDA #$01 STA $0800,Y |
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| 22:59.54 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 22:59.57 | peterS | [6502]: BNE $03A0 |
| 23:00.02 | mha13 | lunitik:10q .. |
| 23:00.19 | Guerin | !rot13 are you guys going to stop taking g33k? |
| 23:00.19 | dpkg | ner lbh thlf tbvat gb fgbc gnxvat t33x? |
| 23:00.21 | pstickne | !10q |
| 23:00.21 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 quarts, please spell it out: "thank you". IRC doesn't charge you by the character. |
| 23:00.21 | [6502] | peterS: that's $90 xx IIRC |
| 23:00.38 | peterS | [6502]: I do believe you're right. xx dependent on current IP of course |
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| 23:01.21 | [6502] | peterS: check out my Apple ][ emulator :-) ... http://www.gripho.it ... demos section |
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| 23:02.35 | peterS | [6502]: tell me the bug in the $6C opcode (: |
| 23:02.49 | aztech_ | mmm preciousss neuronsss |
| 23:03.37 | [6502] | peterS: I implemented a vanilla (from specs) 6502, no funky ror or other strange stuff |
| 23:03.53 | [6502] | peterS: that's enough to run a virtual apple ][ from a rom image |
| 23:04.56 | [6502] | pstickne: should I fill /etc/fstab with all sdxx i see under /dev ?? is there a better option ? |
| 23:05.03 | peterS | [6502]: $6C is JMP, indirect addressing mode, IIRC. the 6502 has a bug in this - if the indirect address is $nnFF, it will be read as a 16-bit number $(nnFF nn00) rather than $(nnFF {nn+1}00) |
| 23:05.32 | [6502] | peterS: that's not a bug, it's documented and hence is a feature |
| 23:05.44 | peterS | [6502]: well, but it was fixed in the 65C02 |
| 23:06.07 | userter | Hi! I' d like to make an initrd for my kernel with mkinitrd, but if i make an "mkinitrd -o initrd-s", i just got back the prompt, the image hasn' t been created, and the error code is 0. To get back the prompt, it takes a while, during it, i can see a directory in /tmp/ called mkinitrd.random. This is a newly installed system. The running and newly compiled kernel is 2.6.17. What can be the problem? |
| 23:07.14 | [6502] | peterS: there were actually undocumented instructions (I think they were jumps random in the middle of microcode). some of them were not totally useless |
| 23:07.39 | peterS | oh, I didn't know about those |
| 23:08.26 | stew | userter: don't use mkinitrd for kernels >= 2.6.13, ues initramfs-tools or yaird |
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| 23:08.45 | marcot | Hello, I can't compile the realtime-lsm module. |
| 23:09.02 | marcot | I'm using m-a, and when I do m-a build realtime-lsm-source it sais: |
| 23:09.10 | Eulex | that's a pity. |
| 23:09.19 | marcot | Failed: Security Capabilities not configured as module |
| 23:09.20 | marcot | Realtime LSM will not work with /lib/modules/2.6.171/source |
| 23:09.20 | marcot | Please rerun `make config' on the kernel and try again. |
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| 23:09.31 | peterS | [6502]: v6502.zip contains code that doesn't look like it will easily build on Debian |
| 23:10.05 | Eulex | marcel__, seems like you'll have to recompile your kernel then. |
| 23:10.32 | userter | stew: So if i want to use mkinitrd, i need to downgrade to 2.6.15 (or a bit higher), right? |
| 23:10.47 | userter | stew: May i ask why is it? (just for inquiring). |
| 23:10.50 | marcot | Eulex: I just did it, and I got the same error on the kernel. |
| 23:11.02 | peterS | userter: you have it the wrong way around. don't downgrade to a kernel where mkinitrd works, replace your initrd generation tool with one that will work on new kernels |
| 23:11.04 | [6502] | peterS: yeah, it's masm-like; i didn't think about porting because there are already a jillion 6502s around |
| 23:11.10 | peterS | [6502]: true, true |
| 23:11.14 | marcot | Eulex: I didn't find any option related to realtime-lsm in make menuconfig |
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| 23:11.30 | [6502] | peterS: may be one day i'll try a JIT version, it always tingled me but I never tried |
| 23:11.41 | Eulex | marcot, sorry, dunno then |
| 23:11.58 | pstickne | userter, I am using mkinitrd with 2.6.16 fine ... :O |
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| 23:12.53 | jason^ | if i'm trying to rsync from a samba box to my local machine, can i just do rsync /mnt/smb ~/pr0n ? |
| 23:13.10 | userter | pstickne: ok, but for me doesn' t work :- ). |
| 23:13.19 | pstickne | userter, you need cramfs support in kernel |
| 23:13.25 | pstickne | userter, get kernel panics? |
| 23:13.35 | userter | peterS: ok, ok, i' m trying to use still 2.6.17 |
| 23:13.56 | peterS | userter: do what stew said |
| 23:14.08 | userter | pstickne: no, my kernel boots fine, but i need initrd, but when i use mkinitrd -o image, it hasn' t been created. |
| 23:14.19 | [6502] | 8.16 is sdb ? |
| 23:14.37 | pstickne | userter, specify an explicit version? |
| 23:14.38 | peterS | [6502]: ha, BNE isn't $90, it's $D0. which I should have remembered anyway. (reading your 6502.ASM file) |
| 23:14.51 | userter | pstickne: cramfs is compiled into the kernel. |
| 23:14.55 | [6502] | peterS: 90 is BEQ ? |
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| 23:15.02 | peterS | BCC |
| 23:15.07 | peterS | BEQ is $F0 |
| 23:15.24 | terminal|giga | anyone familiar with the Io programming language? |
| 23:15.43 | [6502] | peterS: good, my neurons are reconfiguring for chopin then :-) |
| 23:15.43 | terminal|giga | i'm trying to find a debian pkg for it |
| 23:15.43 | kroddn | re |
| 23:15.44 | pstickne | userter, that wouldn't affect mkinitrd opeartion, only kernel panic on boot :) |
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| 23:15.59 | userter | pstickne: v1.201 |
| 23:16.16 | pstickne | userter, no, pass an explicit version or mkinitrd? |
| 23:16.26 | Rothgar | How does one read the 3 load values, are they percentages or what? When you are viewing top or uptime, I don't really know how they work |
| 23:16.31 | peterS | oh, I'd forgotten about the PHP opcode. ('push processor flags register'). ha. |
| 23:16.33 | pstickne | that's waht I did *shrug* or see the other tools stew mentioned |
| 23:17.50 | pstickne | "If version is omitted, it defaults to the version of the kernel that is currently running." (If that makes any difference for you.) |
| 23:17.55 | yuheng108 | peterS, can you help me with this xfontsel thing? |
| 23:18.06 | peterS | yuheng108: I told you how to use xfontsel yesterday |
| 23:18.12 | Rothgar | I thought originally it was a percentage where 1.0 was equal to 100% but then I saw a 1.47 so I am unsure |
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| 23:18.32 | yuheng108 | peterS, yea, I know, but I can't find the font that I want in xfontsel |
| 23:18.42 | peterS | Rothgar: load is average number of processes waiting for use of the CPU |
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| 23:18.59 | peterS | Rothgar: so, less than 1 means that on average, a process that wants CPU time doesn't have to wait at all |
| 23:19.05 | userter | pstickne: $id: mkinitrd,v 1.201 2004/05/16 22:00:48 herbert Exp $ |
| 23:19.14 | peterS | (or, on a 2-cpu system, less than 2 means that) |
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| 23:19.15 | r000t | could someone help me with the setup of a virtual eth0:0 with dhcp on dapper ( no one o dapper can :) ) |
| 23:19.19 | Rothgar | Ah makes sense |
| 23:19.27 | pstickne | userter, no, no, mkinitrd -o foo 2.6.16 |
| 23:19.39 | pstickne | where 2.6.16 is your new kernel version |
| 23:19.41 | yuheng108 | peterS, I have been search for it online for a while, I can't find a solution, can you please help me? |
| 23:19.46 | userter | pstickne: oh :- ). to mkinitrd, ok. |
| 23:19.50 | peterS | yuheng108: I missed your question |
| 23:20.21 | userter | pstickne: well, it doesn' t work, too. |
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| 23:21.00 | yuheng108 | peterS, ok, the font that I want to select with xfontsel is ttf-arphic-uming, but after I install that font, and restart the computer, but still, xfontsel can't detect it, can you help me to solve it? |
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| 23:21.05 | pstickne | userter, dunno :) |
| 23:21.06 | abrotman | Maulkin: how long til the dates are confirmed ? |
| 23:21.08 | userter | pstickne: well, i got two FATAL, i forgot to mention: Module sg, and sd_mod not found. |
| 23:21.21 | peterS | yuheng108: make sure 'xlsfonts' lists it |
| 23:21.24 | Rothgar | peterS: If load is determined by processes, how can I determine the current cpu usage as a percent or similar? |
| 23:21.27 | pstickne | userter, I wonder what they are :) |
| 23:21.32 | r000t | noone here knows how i can set up a virtual interface eth0:0 with dhcp |
| 23:21.45 | yuheng108 | peterS it doesn't list it, that's problem |
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| 23:22.00 | mha13 | good night ppl .. |
| 23:22.06 | peterS | Rothgar: any load average up to the number of CPUs you have could be considered a percentage of time the CPU is in use, approximately. any load average above that means the CPUs are being fully utilised. |
| 23:22.47 | pstickne | peterS, so when I'm almost touching 4 on a single-CPU sytem... :( |
| 23:22.57 | Rothgar | So the 3 values are current, average and maximum? |
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| 23:23.37 | peterS | Rothgar: the 3 values are all averages over a time period. the first is over the last few seconds, the second is over a longer span of time, the third is over an even longer span. I forget the exact time spans |
| 23:24.07 | Rothgar | Hmm ok, well thanks for that peterS, at least I understand it a bit more :) |
| 23:25.27 | pstickne | peterS, 1, 5, 15m |
| 23:25.42 | disposable | i often wonder why companies tend go for commercial software and upon hearing 'free' their IT people just shake heads in disbelief. Take Partition Magic8.0 Golden Edition for example. I've used it 3 times so far and twice did it f*ck up my harddisks so much that i now want to grab balls of its every single developer and salesman, pull them up all the way into their mouth and kick them f*ckers so hard that they'd bite th |
| 23:25.42 | disposable | em off mo******ckers... Just because i needed more space for one stupid game, I ended up having all partitions of type 3C PartitionMagic Recovery. :'( |
| 23:25.47 | yuheng108 | peterS, what can I do to make xfontsel list that font? |
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| 23:26.40 | pstickne | disposable, I've never had problems with PQM8 (non "gold", don't know what that means) when there was no underlying HD problems. |
| 23:26.50 | pstickne | disposable, but PQM8 + badblocks = :( |
| 23:27.04 | peterS | yuheng108: probably just make sure you've installed x-ttcidfont-conf, which is in the 'Suggests' list of that font's package |
| 23:27.52 | pstickne | disposable, the biggest advantage about commercial software, I think, is that it *should* be officially supported |
| 23:28.08 | pstickne | disposable, not that it's always the case nor a good quality product to start... |
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| 23:28.28 | disposable | pstickne: no badblocks... just resizing... moving beginning of partition. now all filenames are in binary and twice the size. even 'file' doesn't recognise anything... |
| 23:28.28 | lunitik | pstickne: in this case, its more about knowing you have the right to have it, and won't get sued |
| 23:28.33 | vulture | pstickne: really comes down to this: you can sue someone :) |
| 23:28.52 | lunitik | vulture: +won't get sued yourself |
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| 23:29.29 | vulture | lunitik: you have some confidence of that, yes, and if that falls through - you can always go & sue someone because you got sued for their negligence.. ;) |
| 23:29.32 | vulture | yay. |
| 23:29.39 | SJrX | How can I force SSH to allow me to login when the host key is different. If I disable StrickHostKeyChecking, it just won't let me put in a password. |
| 23:29.42 | vulture | I'm really getting into the groove now that I've been living in the USA a few months |
| 23:29.50 | yuheng108 | peterS, x-ttcidfont-conf is already installed, but it still can't be detected |
| 23:29.54 | lunitik | vulture: I'm sorry |
| 23:29.59 | vulture | lunitik: ;) |
| 23:30.27 | lunitik | vulture: been here 9 years... |
| 23:30.37 | vulture | lunitik: fun |
| 23:31.05 | lunitik | vulture: not so much... but if I leave at the moment, I can't come back, and closest family is here :/ |
| 23:31.18 | abrotman | !tell UZX83 about root |
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| 23:32.45 | [6502] | 1:34, sleeptime |
| 23:32.50 | [6502] | thanx for the help with USB |
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| 23:34.53 | enouf | disposable: tried Gparted have you ? 30MB d/l CD...why on earth anyone would use a proprietary and 'destructive' partitioning tool is beyond me |
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| 23:37.38 | lunitik | Keeps playing lame rock and stuff :( |
| 23:38.39 | lunitik | And like... German pop or something... and who knows what else... just general crap... |
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| 23:39.04 | abrotman | !tell UZX83 about root |
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| 23:39.38 | lunitik | Very little actual Rap though... |
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| 23:40.46 | FabParma | how to enable the mouse scrolling? |
| 23:41.12 | lunitik | FabParma: use "ImPS/2" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... |
| 23:41.25 | lunitik | As protocol for mouse... |
| 23:41.42 | FabParma | lunitik: thank you |
| 23:43.26 | lunitik | Another example being ExplorerPS/2 ... |
| 23:43.50 | peterS | lunitik: blame Linus Torvalds. he's the one who decided that the USB mouse driver ought to emulate a PS/2 mouse rather than inventing a new protocol to talk to user apps with |
| 23:44.02 | pstickne | Remeber the USB-PS2 dongles? |
| 23:44.30 | pstickne | Is PS/2 lacking? |
| 23:44.37 | peterS | lunitik: since then a new protocol _has_ been invented, called 'evdev', and there's an X mouse driver that uses that instead. then you don't need to specify a protocol because evdev is both a driver and a protocol |
| 23:44.55 | lunitik | peterS: strange choice... although would solve confusion with simple renaming of things perhaps? |
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| 23:45.36 | lunitik | peterS: I've heard about that, thought it was for more complicated things than just USB mice though? |
| 23:45.55 | peterS | lunitik: the correct solution is probably to switch to evdev, which is a much more logical and extensible protocol anyway (it can handle pretty much any keyboard, mouse, joystick, touchpad, or other input device) |
| 23:46.00 | enouf | FabParma: here's my ps/2 intellimouse entries in Xorg 7.0 (Debian Sid).. http://pastebin.ca/112504 |
| 23:46.01 | Eulex | happy 386 day :D |
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| 23:46.33 | FabParma | enouf: i have a look, thank you |
| 23:46.34 | CAiRO | how can i make an application launcher have a text in the gnome panel? |
| 23:46.42 | abrotman | have a text? |
| 23:46.46 | pstickne | !evdev |
| 23:46.54 | peterS | lunitik: for something as simple as a mouse with X/Y axes, a wheel, and a few buttons, the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer PS/2 protocol is quite sufficient. so no need to fix what isn't broken. but evdev will handle future devices better. |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | CAiRO: give it a Name in the Properties? |
| 23:47.18 | CAiRO | yeah, but in the panel, it only shows an icon |
| 23:47.29 | CAiRO | but i want it to show the name for a number of launchers |
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| 23:47.55 | pstickne | CAiRO, if it makes you feel any better, I haven't been able to set it up like that either |
| 23:47.55 | peterS | it doesn't have a practical limit on the number of buttons a mouse can have, for example. the original Intellimouse PS/2 protocol only allows for 3 buttons plus wheel, which turned out not to be enough for modern mouse hardware designers |
| 23:48.06 | lunitik | peterS: ahh, yes, evdev is for complicated mice etc... if evdev is going to be the future though, I probably should look into using it here... |
| 23:48.10 | peterS | (hence the Intellimouse Explorer protocol) |
| 23:48.33 | peterS | lunitik: I don't use it yet, and I'm a bit of an expert in mouse protocols, so you'd think I'd be an early adopter. so what I'm saying is, there's no rush. |
| 23:48.49 | abrotman | CAiRO: huh ? |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | CAiRO: can you make a picture ? |
| 23:49.01 | CAiRO | i want to add a number of launchers to open a terminal and initiate an ssh connection.. its really hard to destinguish between them if you only have an icon for them |
| 23:49.26 | pstickne | CAiRO, you could give each one a different icon ;) |
| 23:49.29 | lunitik | peterS: good to know... that you're knowledgeable in that area... yeah, I probably won't use it until I have to... |
| 23:49.33 | pstickne | CAiRO, I'm about to try XFCE |
| 23:49.35 | abrotman | CAiRO: if you put "SSH to <host>" in the Name field .. it will show it to you when you hover over it |
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| 23:50.06 | CAiRO | abrotman: and when i have 10 launchers in a drawer, i hover over them all until i find the correct one? |
| 23:50.20 | abrotman | CAiRO: well .. ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org if they have a better idea |
| 23:50.33 | CAiRO | ok |
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| 23:51.08 | CAiRO | pstickne: yeah, well, i'm trying to switch back to gnome right now after not using it for several years.. |
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| 23:51.28 | pstickne | CAiRO, it seems like the new gnome has really been dumbed down |
| 23:51.54 | pstickne | Was using KDE on slackware, don't know why I don't here :) |
| 23:51.55 | peterS | irc.gimp.net sounds so much sexier than irc.gnome.org |
| 23:52.08 | peterS | (the network is known as gimpnet) |
| 23:52.09 | ruoho | hello im trying to install debian. dl'ing this iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso will it let me install only gnome? i have used sarge netinstall b4 but packages where too old so i removed it |
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| 23:52.27 | lunitik | ruoho: yes |
| 23:52.56 | lunitik | ruoho: afaik, the "desktop" task even installs Gnome for you... although I don't recommend using the tasks... |
| 23:53.01 | ruoho | i trid with this also: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ but didnt have package selection |
| 23:53.03 | CAiRO | pstickne: yeah, if i only consider all the problems i have with the panel.. eg. its hard to select the icon you want for an application launcher if your gnome icon theme has an override for that icon |
| 23:53.06 | CAiRO | and stuff like that |
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| 23:53.17 | ruoho | lunitik: u mean tasksel? |
| 23:53.24 | lunitik | In Sarge, Desktop task installs KDE and Gnome, which is ugly |
| 23:53.26 | ruoho | doesnt desktop install kde as well? |
| 23:53.32 | pstickne | CAiRO, I dislike metacity. I doesn't allow *any* control. But sawfish fixes that :) |
| 23:53.35 | ruoho | oh |
| 23:53.37 | lunitik | ruoho: yes, installer presents that to you... |
| 23:54.03 | CAiRO | yes, i love sawfish, it does some tricks i can't do elsewhere.. like have the mouse button bindinds i like |
| 23:54.06 | lunitik | ruoho: I haven't tried... but someone said it now only installs Gnome |
| 23:54.17 | ruoho | in etch u get only gnome? by choosing desktop> |
| 23:54.20 | ruoho | ah k |
| 23:54.35 | ruoho | is that the "right" iso? |
| 23:54.42 | pstickne | CAiRO, I wish matched windows allowed geometry grabbing but otherwise, it does everything I want. |
| 23:54.50 | ruoho | all those iso's got me a bit confused |
| 23:54.57 | lunitik | ruoho: thats the one I grabbed |
| 23:55.16 | ruoho | the sid one? |
| 23:55.18 | CAiRO | pstickne: maybe there's some extension, you could ask in #sawfish |
| 23:55.43 | lunitik | ruoho: testing isn't sid |
| 23:55.47 | pstickne | CAiRO, I just xwininfo and type that in (although it's a tad off) |
| 23:56.34 | ruoho | ok wrong link sorry i m getting this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:56.42 | ruoho | which is sid |
| 23:56.53 | lunitik | ruoho: no... thats testing... |
| 23:57.13 | lunitik | wait... said sid_d-i |
| 23:57.20 | ruoho | damn |
| 23:57.23 | lunitik | doh... I should grab that myself |
| 23:57.33 | ruoho | lol |
| 23:57.39 | ruoho | hipe it works out well |
| 23:57.42 | FabParma | i am tring to install "evdev" but i get this message: "E: Couldn't find package evdev". have you idea why ? |
| 23:57.43 | ruoho | hope* |
| 23:57.56 | peterS | FabParma: because it isn't a package. what are you trying to do? |
| 23:57.57 | ruoho | its dated 28-07 |
| 23:58.07 | lunitik | FabParma: the package is 'xserver-xorg-input-evdev' |
| 23:58.20 | stoned | mmm.. doobie snack, woof woof |
| 23:58.57 | lunitik | 'x-input-foo' or 'xorg-input-foo' out to be enough imo |
| 23:59.05 | lunitik | ought* |
| 23:59.25 | ruoho | lunitik: will that package install only gnome if i choose desktop? |
| 23:59.32 | ruoho | if u know.. |
| 23:59.41 | ruoho | or anyone else |
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