| 00:00.00 | peterS | lunitik: no, xserver-xorg-input-foo is correct, because it's a plugin for the xserver-xorg package. you act as though xorg were nothing but an X server, which is certainly not the case |
| 00:00.09 | lunitik | ruoho: just don't select and package groups, and install gnome later :/ |
| 00:00.26 | ruoho | with apt-get? |
| 00:00.27 | FabParma | lunitik: if i install 'xserver-xorg-input-evdev', can i activate the mouse scrolling? |
| 00:00.35 | lunitik | peterS: true, its just... so much typing :( |
| 00:00.36 | Vasistha | dude, where all the bots at? :P I'm trying to get some info via PM and not getting an answer from dpkg, apt, aptitude or badgers :P |
| 00:00.41 | lunitik | peterS: :P |
| 00:00.54 | peterS | lunitik: also, you shouldn't have to worry about the package name, because if you install 'xserver-xorg', it pulls in _all_ input driver packages by default. you have to consciously remove some of them if you don't want them. |
| 00:00.57 | ruoho | im not sure exactly how to do that |
| 00:01.07 | lunitik | FabParma: you were told how to do that without needing evdev |
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| 00:01.57 | zer0day | i added few deb server for mplayer in my source.list but when i do apt-get update... i don't see refrashing of those servers ? |
| 00:02.07 | lunitik | peterS: I usually install debfoster still just so I can get rid of -all and only keep -input-kbd -input-mouse and -video-sis |
| 00:02.27 | jnguy | lets see your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:02.39 | enouf | FabParma: what version are you running? stable(Sarge), testing(Etch), unstable(Sid)? |
| 00:02.46 | stoned | grandma's boy is hilarious |
| 00:02.48 | FabParma | lunitik: ok, i'll configure the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 00:02.50 | peterS | lunitik: you can do that, but if you're willing to go through and remove packages you don't want (why aren't you doing this in a program like aptitude or dselect, anyway? then you wouldn't have to type package names), you shouldn't mind the package names |
| 00:02.51 | lunitik | peterS: imo, it ought to have more logic to only keep what is necessary when installing, but it doesn't yet :( |
| 00:03.03 | FabParma | enouf: stable |
| 00:03.13 | peterS | lunitik: what do you mean, "what is necessary"? how does it know whether I think the evdev driver is necessary or not? |
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| 00:03.32 | peterS | or the vesa driver |
| 00:03.40 | lunitik | peterS: I tend to avoid TUI's ... not a huge fan of ncurses navigation... |
| 00:03.55 | lunitik | peterS: based on what you set in drxx ... |
| 00:03.58 | peterS | lunitik: then don't complain about typing. curses UIs are designed to reduce your amount of random typing. |
| 00:04.45 | enouf | FabParma: then you likely are using Xfree86, not Xorg so follow up with that 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and enter the correct entries for mouse |
| 00:04.56 | peterS | lunitik: if you'd like to supply a patch to remove driver packages that aren't referred to directly in your xorg.conf, you can do so. I think you'll have a hard time convincing people that it's ok for one package to remove other packages explicitly while it's being installed, but you are free to try. |
| 00:05.02 | abrotman | X -version |
| 00:05.28 | FabParma | enouf: yes i use 'Xfree86' |
| 00:05.53 | enouf | FabParma: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 00:06.37 | Vasistha | zer0day: first of all, it's 'sources.list' but assuming you've got that right, *which* sources did you add to the list?? debian-multimedia.org, I hope. I could check your syntax if you want to post your sources.list to a pastebin, e.g. ftp://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/gentoo/releases/x86/current/stages/stage3-x86-2006.0.tar.bz2 |
| 00:06.45 | Vasistha | oops, wrong link!! http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | GENTOO USER!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:07.05 | enouf | lunitik: funny, I ponders why I easily forget all the xfree86 'specific' stuff after recenty moving to xorg |
| 00:07.10 | Vasistha | abrotman: I was just helping someone in #bash :D |
| 00:07.11 | peterS | he's outed now |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | Vasistha: sure ... |
| 00:07.18 | enouf | s/ponders/ponder ;-) |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | Vasistha: next thing .. you'll be telling people to emerge gnome |
| 00:07.50 | peterS | abrotman: worse! he's a GENTOO STAGE 3 USER! that's like the unmanly version of gentoo! |
| 00:07.57 | stoned | ;p |
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| 00:08.05 | peterS | (the version where you install binaries, rather than compile everything yourself) |
| 00:08.19 | zer0day | Vasistha and jnguy here is my list http://pastebin.ca/112523 |
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| 00:08.36 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. is this like a kid who supes up his neon? :) |
| 00:08.36 | peterS | people who install stage 3 have smaller penises, or something |
| 00:08.57 | stoned | damn |
| 00:08.57 | pstickne | Hmm. Anyone know of a good panel similar to say, OS X? |
| 00:09.02 | Vasistha | zer0day: nerim.net is no more. You need to go to debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:09.04 | stoned | those are some strong words |
| 00:09.09 | zer0day | ok just a second |
| 00:09.14 | pstickne | (Where the panel also holds the "state" of the application) |
| 00:09.16 | abrotman | pstickne: there are quite a few .. apt-cache search should yield some |
| 00:09.18 | stoned | !dmm |
| 00:09.18 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 00:09.24 | lunitik | pstickne: apt-cache search dock |
| 00:09.25 | pstickne | abrotman, ;)) |
| 00:09.44 | lunitik | pstickne: there are at least three in the archive... although only one is desktop agnostic that I know of |
| 00:10.02 | zer0day | Vasistha: http://pastebin.ca/112525 |
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| 00:10.37 | enouf | FabParma: just in case you're unfamiliar with the dpkg bot ... |
| 00:10.41 | enouf | !drxx |
| 00:10.41 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 00:10.50 | lunitik | Whoa, apt-cache search dock returns almost all of wmakers widget thingers... oops |
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| 00:11.31 | Vasistha | zer0day: uh, you may have an error in your file name. The file should be called sources.list NOT source.list |
| 00:11.35 | abrotman | pstickne: which desktop do you use ? |
| 00:11.45 | Vasistha | zer0day: changes to source.list will probably not effect apt |
| 00:11.50 | ruoho | can anyone tell me whats the newest as stable as possible iso to netinstall? |
| 00:11.51 | FabParma | enouf: im configuring with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', in the mose section i have many choices: /dev/psaux , /dev/ttyS0 , /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2 and many oters. what to choose with a scroll mouse? |
| 00:11.59 | lunitik | apt-cache show docker is the desktop agnostic one though... fairly nice... |
| 00:12.03 | pstickne | abrotman, I don't really care. |
| 00:12.07 | zer0day | Vasistha hm |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | pstickne: damn it .. answer the question! |
| 00:12.21 | pstickne | abrotman, I'm using the KDE services for Kopete, but was in Gnome-session, now using XFCE-session |
| 00:12.39 | zer0day | ah i see Vasistha :) |
| 00:12.42 | abrotman | pstickne: gdesklets might have something like you're looking for .. but that's obviously using gnome |
| 00:12.44 | pstickne | abrotman, wm is sawfish |
| 00:13.06 | pstickne | I |
| 00:13.12 | pstickne | 'll look, thanks. |
| 00:13.23 | enouf | FabParma: What does it "default" to -- and are you using a ps/2 mouse? |
| 00:13.50 | abrotman | the old gdesklets site was WAY better |
| 00:13.54 | FabParma | enouf: yes ps/2 |
| 00:14.07 | zer0day | Vasistha i think it will work now |
| 00:14.09 | zer0day | i hope |
| 00:14.19 | lunitik | pstickne: actually... only thing in the archive that is like os x dock is kxdocker ... |
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| 00:14.25 | kru_ | hi |
| 00:14.27 | zer0day | which is best site with install instructions for mplayer |
| 00:14.37 | zer0day | if you know maybe Vasistha |
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| 00:14.49 | Vasistha | !mplayer |
| 00:14.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at ... |
| 00:14.55 | Vasistha | zer0day: ^^^ those |
| 00:15.06 | digx | anyone here installed debian on their macbook pro? |
| 00:15.08 | zer0day | ok :) |
| 00:15.12 | kru_ | are there some unstable ports for debian amd64? |
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| 00:15.17 | zer0day | thanks :) |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | digx: send me your laptop .. *maybe* i'll send it back with debian :) |
| 00:15.29 | lunitik | kru_: there is a testing installer for amd64 |
| 00:15.34 | digx | abrotman: ;) |
| 00:15.36 | pstickne | The only advantage of mplayer is WMV9 support (testing xine/vlc do not seem to have support) |
| 00:15.37 | Malagmyr | Is there any way I can get two computers to actually "shout" to eachother? Like, I've got two computers at opposite ends of a room. Both have speakers and a microphone. How can I get them to talk to eachother? (Yes, I'm terribly, TERRIBLY bored at the moment). |
| 00:15.39 | enouf | FabParma: /dev/psaux 'should' work correctly IIRC, but if /dev/input/mice is available -- select that -- I think |
| 00:15.46 | lunitik | kru_: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:15.48 | digx | abrotman: it is a sexy laptop indeed :) |
| 00:15.54 | pstickne | lunitik, kxdocker doesn't seem to play nice with XFCE :) |
| 00:15.57 | Vasistha | Malagmyr: you're crazy :D |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | digx: i already have a laptop .. don't need another |
| 00:16.07 | digx | abrotman: what laptop? |
| 00:16.27 | Malagmyr | Vasistha: Well it should be doable, shouldn't it? |
| 00:16.28 | lunitik | pstickne: probably not, no... would have to download gdesklets for that... not in the archive ;) |
| 00:16.35 | Vasistha | Malagmyr: keep in mind that you're going to have a duplex issue -- using speaker and mic at the same time, you will have a feedback issue. |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | digx: thinkpad .. i got a PPC macmini to play with .. i don't actually care for OSX that much at all |
| 00:16.53 | kru_ | lunitik: yes thx i testet it but i want unstable packages |
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| 00:17.11 | digx | abrotman: I really enjoy it for web development, im considering switching from gentoo to debian for my production servers |
| 00:17.13 | graphyx | What package contains a sftp server? |
| 00:17.16 | Malagmyr | Vasistha: All you need is an "over" signal, so they talk one at a time and ignore their own chatter. |
| 00:17.18 | Vasistha | Malagmyr: I'd describe this as "definitely NOT a debian question" :-) |
| 00:17.20 | digx | id like to test debian on my laptop |
| 00:17.27 | Malagmyr | Fine, fine. |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | digx: good idea :) |
| 00:17.31 | pstickne | how can I tell synaptic to _not_ remove packages when I try to install a package? |
| 00:17.35 | Vasistha | Malagmyr: hehe, have fun |
| 00:17.35 | digx | abrotman: :D |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | digx: anyways .. are you having a specific issue? or just wondering in general ? |
| 00:18.02 | digx | abrotman: yeah i'm having a keyboard issue, apparently it doesn't want to work with the debian installer |
| 00:18.05 | graphyx | On an apt-get update i got this error: |
| 00:18.06 | graphyx | Failed to fetch http://debian.crosslink.net/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 00:18.11 | graphyx | How can I correct that? |
| 00:18.18 | enouf | Malagmyr: may wanna look into the "clapper" :-P |
| 00:18.21 | digx | let me fetch the error |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | digx: which installer? |
| 00:18.30 | Vasistha | enouf: hahaha :-) |
| 00:18.36 | digx | the net installer |
| 00:18.38 | lunitik | !tell graphyx about fudo |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | sarge or etch ? |
| 00:18.45 | peterS | graphyx: that might mean that particular mirror is having issues, try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 00:18.47 | lunitik | graphyx: read the topic next time |
| 00:19.06 | digx | abrotman: i get "pc_keyb: controller jammed(0xFF)" repeatedly |
| 00:19.08 | enouf | clap on -- clap off -- the clapper ...by mennin ;-P |
| 00:19.12 | lunitik | peterS: ahh... ftp.us.d.o is one of the servers having issues! |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | digx: get the cat off the keyboard |
| 00:19.23 | digx | abrotman: i don't like cats :) |
| 00:19.30 | peterS | lunitik: ftp.us.debian.org is not "one of the servers" in any case, it's like a dozen of the servers. they aren't all having issues. |
| 00:19.52 | abrotman | digx: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 .. get the newer ISO .. try that |
| 00:19.59 | graphyx | lunitik: I am getting the bot to tell me about it. Thanks. |
| 00:20.09 | graphyx | peterS: Thanks to you as well. |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | digx: it has a newer kernel .. hopefully will support your hardware a bit better |
| 00:20.28 | lunitik | peterS: plenty of people are having issues with ftp.us.debian.org ... better to suggest ftp.debian.org ... |
| 00:20.32 | digx | abrotman: i just downloaded the ISO today from the site, is there really a change I have an old version |
| 00:20.33 | digx | ? |
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| 00:20.50 | abrotman | digx: the kenrel on the one you got was 2.6.8, the one on the unofficial version is 2.6.16 |
| 00:21.00 | digx | abrotman: ah ok, thanks :) |
| 00:21.03 | lunitik | peterS: here, for instance, 2/3 times trying to update via ftp.us.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org results in simular issues... |
| 00:21.08 | zer0day | Vasistha what about this: http://pastebin.ca/112531 |
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| 00:21.18 | lunitik | peterS: ftp.debian.org hasn't had the issue once yet |
| 00:21.26 | peterS | lunitik: errr, I didn't mention mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:21.42 | lunitik | peterS: just saying, its another server having issues... |
| 00:21.50 | FabParma | enouf: i changed the values, now i reboot to check if the modify it is correct. see you later, thank you |
| 00:21.59 | digx | abrotman: downloading now, thanks again :) |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | digx: while having great luck with the normal sarge installer on servers .. it didn't get all the hardware on my laptop (stupid broadcom) |
| 00:22.12 | Malagmyr | enouf: what's that? I googled "clapper" and all I can find is the classic banchelor appartment clapper thingy... |
| 00:22.16 | digx | abro:hehe |
| 00:22.19 | digx | abrotman: *hehe |
| 00:22.41 | enouf | Malagmyr: you got it ;-) |
| 00:22.49 | abrotman | digx: do you have certain requirements for your servers? |
| 00:22.58 | Vasistha | zer0day: a translation would be nice, could you translate the apt-get output into english and repost?? Or else ask in your language-specific debian channel? |
| 00:23.08 | digx | abrotman: not really |
| 00:23.08 | enouf | FabParma: we'll be here -- er atleawst someone will be ;-) |
| 00:23.20 | digx | abrotman: most linux distro default installs work fine on my current specs |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | unless freenode dies a horrible death |
| 00:23.29 | Vasistha | zer0day: wait, I bet that says libavifile-0.7c2 has no installation candidate |
| 00:23.29 | abrotman | digx: okay |
| 00:23.34 | zer0day | Vasistha ok i will translate |
| 00:23.38 | zer0day | true |
| 00:23.39 | graphyx | what is the best way of finding packages for particular well known programs like sftp? |
| 00:23.41 | Vasistha | zer0day: is that what the last line 18 means? |
| 00:23.51 | enouf | Malagmyr: apologies -- it was meant to be a 'joke' |
| 00:24.02 | zer0day | Vasistha it is what you say |
| 00:24.12 | zer0day | zer0day: wait, I bet that says libavifile-0.7c2 has no installation candidate |
| 00:24.19 | pstickne | graphyx, apt-cache search sftp // usually works, I've had people mention apt-file, I use synaptic, usually seems to find what I want |
| 00:24.36 | graphyx | pstickne: Thanks. |
| 00:24.45 | abrotman | peterS: you have packages right ? |
| 00:24.46 | Malagmyr | enouf: :) |
| 00:24.58 | peterS | abrotman: a handful |
| 00:25.04 | lunitik | peterS: I apologize, I'm not currently having issues with ftp.us.debian.org ... although I was a few days ago... |
| 00:25.08 | abrotman | peterS: did you use a special email addy for it ? |
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| 00:25.09 | enouf | Malagmyr: I can be very humbled when I unintentionally offend someone ;-) |
| 00:25.11 | abrotman | or rather .. them |
| 00:25.21 | peterS | abrotman: nah, I just throw peter@p12n.org on stuff |
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| 00:25.32 | abrotman | peterS: you get a lot of spam? |
| 00:26.10 | peterS | abrotman: maybe 100 per day, almost all filtered out by crm114 |
| 00:26.11 | krassy | lp |
| 00:26.25 | peterS | some of that comes in through other addresses or lists |
| 00:26.29 | Vasistha | zer0day: btw, as a sidenote, non-US has been made obsolete by US Govt and Debian 3.1 (Sarge) |
| 00:26.30 | abrotman | peterS: i may have finalyl found something worth packaging :) |
| 00:26.38 | peterS | abrotman: oh? what? |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | peterS: skipstone |
| 00:26.52 | peterS | and that is? |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | though .. it's another gtk-ish browser .. but doesn't have all the gnome crap in it |
| 00:27.01 | pstickne | Vasistha, what was problem before? |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | and it's not tabbed |
| 00:27.19 | abrotman | basically .. light"er"-weight than epiphany/galeon/dillo |
| 00:27.25 | zer0day | Vasistha hm i don't understand |
| 00:27.27 | enouf | FabParma: BTW -- you should only have to restart your Xsession (ctrl+alt+backspace if necessary and not using a WM or DE) |
| 00:27.31 | peterS | abrotman: how can something be lighter weight than dillo? |
| 00:27.31 | pstickne | abrotman, web or file? |
| 00:27.40 | abrotman | pstickne: web browser |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | peterS: download it and try it |
| 00:28.05 | Vasistha | zer0day: I noticed this line in your sources.list : deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 00:28.07 | enouf | FabParma: I really don;t think you need to 'reboot' as in winblows ;-) |
| 00:28.15 | pstickne | incovenient almost-anything browsing :) |
| 00:28.21 | peterS | abrotman: too lazy. I'll wait until you have an installable package |
| 00:28.30 | Vasistha | pstickne: I'm not really sure, but I bet if you google debian "non-us" you can read about the history |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | peterS: could be years :) |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | i haven't made packages in a long time |
| 00:28.43 | peterS | I'm also a big fan of tabs, I use them relentlessly in both galeon and elinks (the two browsers I use today) |
| 00:28.48 | Malagmyr | enouf: I'm not offended. I'm tired and can't sleep because my room smells of glue. I glued a computer to the ceiling to watch movies while in bed... It'll smell like glue for hours. |
| 00:28.50 | lunitik | abrotman: thats cool that you're going to be packaging things though :D |
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| 00:29.06 | abrotman | peterS: so do i .. but not everyone has the resources to run all that gnome crap in a browser |
| 00:29.08 | dansushi | Malagmyr, glued a computer or a monitor? |
| 00:29.12 | Vasistha | zer0day: check out apt-get.org ... http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=libavifile&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 00:29.14 | Malagmyr | both. |
| 00:29.28 | dansushi | how does it possibly stay up? |
| 00:29.28 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, galeon isn't firefox but it's still heavier than it should be |
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| 00:29.53 | abrotman | peterS: give me a moment .. i'll compile it and tell you the mem usage |
| 00:29.59 | zkline | I'm having a somewhat unusual bit of sound hardware trouble with Knoppix. I know that this isn't strictly the channel for such a problem, but I already tried the Knoppix channel without much success. |
| 00:30.06 | abrotman | #knoppix |
| 00:30.07 | enouf | Malagmyr: I feel you pain ;-) please do something about that for yourself -- didn't mean to say you were not humored...but I hate being misunderstood -- you certainly are a kind soul ;-) |
| 00:30.23 | Malagmyr | dansushi: just need to treat the flat sides a little roughly for a while, so the glue has something to hang on to |
| 00:30.34 | dansushi | o |
| 00:30.36 | zinx | zkline: we can only give you Debian answers... for sound issues, that's not going to help you with Knoppix. |
| 00:30.41 | dansushi | what kind of glue did you use? |
| 00:30.56 | stoned | reminds me of MolagMar, a place in Morrowind |
| 00:31.04 | FabParma | enouf: it works correctly. i set the mouse as 'imp2' |
| 00:31.19 | enouf | FabParma: ^___^ |
| 00:31.21 | zkline | Hmmm. This is perhaps more just a general hardware troubleshooting question, not necesarily knoppix-specific. Is there a channel for drivers, that sort of thing? |
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| 00:31.36 | Vasistha | Malagmyr: wow, and I thought you were crazy for wanting computers to shout to each other :D |
| 00:31.39 | zinx | zkline: It is most definitely knoppix-specific. |
| 00:31.40 | FabParma | enouf: thank you my wizard ;-) |
| 00:31.42 | Malagmyr | dansushi: It's called PL400 or something. I live in norway, so it might not be too common where you're at. |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | peterS: it says 30MB .. i have a single FF window open that is using 72MB |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | peterS: that's RES .. not SHR |
| 00:32.25 | zkline | Even if it concerns the OSS drivers? |
| 00:32.37 | abrotman | peterS: admittedly .. i'd have to make it work first :) |
| 00:32.38 | FabParma | lunitik: yes it is 'imps/2" |
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| 00:32.46 | Vasistha | zkline: yes |
| 00:32.48 | lunitik | zkline: we can not help you, sorry |
| 00:32.51 | peterS | abrotman: ahh, yeah, galeon has 171MB resident, holding about 13 tabs |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | HOG! |
| 00:33.22 | stoned | damn |
| 00:33.27 | dn4 | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Orhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Orbax/58a118612nz.gifbax/58a118612nz.gif |
| 00:33.34 | lunitik | zinx: I brought that up too... but ImPS/2 would work with such mice also... |
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| 00:33.40 | dn4 | I swear I tried to hit delete |
| 00:33.42 | dn4 | I am drunk |
| 00:33.43 | peterS | zinx: the kernel mouse emulator has 3 states: ps/2 mode, ImPS/2 mode, ExplorerPS/2 mode. real mice are this way too. so apps select their preferred mode. |
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| 00:33.53 | userter | Hi! I made an initrd with mkinitramfs, and it works fine, but how can i mount it? :- ). With mount -o loop initrd dir doesn't work. Actually file said it' s a compressed gzip format, but i cannot gunzip it.. |
| 00:33.56 | zkline | Well, I'll look elsewhere. Sorry to trouble you guys. |
| 00:34.12 | zinx | lunitik: naw, the extra buttons won't be supported sometimes |
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| 00:34.25 | name | http://name.xieke.com/chess.jpg |
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| 00:34.26 | name | :) |
| 00:34.30 | name | it's WIP |
| 00:34.30 | zinx | lunitik: and i've heard tales of the mouse going nuts with imps/2, but not explorerps/2, but i won't try to guess what was happening there |
| 00:34.45 | zinx | name: why don't you use that chess demo thing |
| 00:34.50 | FabParma | now i have another question. when Debian is booting it looses long time to activate apple talk, but i dont need apple talk at all. what to do? |
| 00:34.53 | name | zinx: hum? |
| 00:34.57 | name | zinx: that's blender? |
| 00:35.00 | name | zinx: im modelling that |
| 00:35.16 | zinx | oh, nevermind |
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| 00:35.23 | zinx | i thought you were making a chess program :D |
| 00:35.33 | name | lol |
| 00:35.40 | peterS | yay! not only rain but thunder! perhaps this part of the world will cool down a tad. we could use that. |
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| 00:36.08 | stoned | what part? where? |
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| 00:36.08 | lunitik | zinx: sometimes that does happen here actually... it'll fly across the screen etc ... maybe I need to be using ExplorerPS/2 also |
| 00:36.11 | BHSPitMonkey | peterS, Kansas? |
| 00:36.14 | BHSPitMonkey | send it to Texas. |
| 00:36.35 | Vasistha | abrotman: for the record, opera is using VSZ 92M RSS 53M with 16 tabs open |
| 00:36.36 | lunitik | zinx: its not _that_ annoying though... doesn't happen much |
| 00:36.46 | abrotman | Vasistha: i have opera running .. using 72M |
| 00:36.51 | stoned | peterS, I'm not far, I could come smoke you out |
| 00:37.00 | stoned | ehehe |
| 00:37.05 | abrotman | what an offer! |
| 00:37.06 | peterS | BHSPitMonkey: however did you guess? |
| 00:37.10 | Vasistha | abrotman: another linux opera user! :D |
| 00:37.22 | lunitik | zinx: actually, thats happening _with_ explorerps/2 here... |
| 00:37.34 | stoned | peterS, I could also bring some hot college girls with me, gone wild |
| 00:37.38 | BHSPitMonkey | peterS, your IP? |
| 00:37.46 | dn4 | what is going on here |
| 00:37.52 | dn4 | I am hear about smoking out girls gone wild |
| 00:38.00 | FabParma | have you idea how disable apple talk at boot? |
| 00:38.02 | dn4 | this place has turned into my mind int he gutter |
| 00:38.03 | abrotman | Vasistha: it works better for me than FF |
| 00:38.03 | BHSPitMonkey | I'm familiar enough with the nomenclature of SBC DSL masks |
| 00:38.07 | stoned | thats right, debian grows decadent |
| 00:38.09 | peterS | BHSPitMonkey: sometimes my IP lies. the fine folks at SBC managed to confuse at least one 'wcfltx' IP block with 'wchtks'. you can guess what those two mean. |
| 00:38.24 | peterS | BHSPitMonkey: so sometimes my hostmask says wcfltx, fraudulently |
| 00:38.26 | _Miasma_ | I'd like to attach a second keyboard with different mappings for the keys. This is for one user not multiple users, so I don't need dual head; Google gives mostly info for multiuser dual-head systems. |
| 00:38.31 | zinx | lunitik: optical mouse? |
| 00:38.40 | lunitik | zinx: yup |
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| 00:38.52 | zinx | lunitik: get a better one, or deal.. typical optical mouse problem :/ |
| 00:38.55 | BHSPitMonkey | wonder what wcfltx is, though |
| 00:38.59 | BHSPitMonkey | wichita falls? |
| 00:39.06 | peterS | BHSPitMonkey: wichita falls, texas. yep. I'm in wichita kansas, of course. |
| 00:39.14 | BHSPitMonkey | nice |
| 00:39.16 | lunitik | zinx: I'm dealing, just saying it happens... |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | Vasistha: it's my horrible guilty pleasure |
| 00:39.31 | Vasistha | abrotman: I've been using opera as my primary since early 2001 when I switched from netscape 4.7 ... and no other browser has made me as happy as opera :-) |
| 00:39.38 | peterS | yeah it was pretty amusing when I noticed that I appeared to be in wichita falls. it's obvious what happened, someone screwed up the DNS because of the similarity of the town names. |
| 00:39.39 | BHSPitMonkey | too bad we can't confuse the rain into coming down here, in a similar manner ;) |
| 00:39.40 | lunitik | abrotman: I missed something... what is? |
| 00:39.43 | _Miasma_ | I want to be able to press "a" on one keyboard and have it return "a" but on the second keyboard I'd like "a" to return something else, a special character or macro. Is this possible? |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | lunitik: that i like opera |
| 00:39.57 | lunitik | abrotman: ohh |
| 00:40.04 | stoned | opera? the name is too gay for me to even consider using the browser (I used the browser and its ok, but its no firefox) |
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| 00:40.26 | peterS | stoned: the word just means "works" or "accomplishments" in Latin. what's gay about that? |
| 00:40.30 | Vasistha | !start a browser war |
| 00:40.30 | dpkg | Opera < dillo! |
| 00:40.41 | BHSPitMonkey | but Opera is the best browser for my cell phone, so meh |
| 00:40.51 | stoned | peterS, accomplishments make people happy |
| 00:41.00 | BHSPitMonkey | wow |
| 00:41.05 | Vasistha | peterS: I sense an impending "latin is gay" :-) |
| 00:41.09 | BHSPitMonkey | haha |
| 00:41.26 | BHSPitMonkey | "I bet they spoke latin in Sodom!" |
| 00:41.36 | stoned | but opera man, was cool |
| 00:41.40 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 00:41.41 | stoned | or operaman |
| 00:41.42 | BHSPitMonkey | adam sandler |
| 00:41.53 | BHSPitMonkey | 'nuff, lunitik |
| 00:41.58 | peterS | Vasistha: if anything Latin is cinaedus |
| 00:42.50 | stoned | I don't know any Latin, but I do know sanskrit and from what I understand, its much older, so ... NYA ! |
| 00:43.00 | peterS | (yes, cinaedus means gay) |
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| 00:43.22 | abrotman | dorks |
| 00:43.26 | stoned | lol |
| 00:43.43 | peterS | abrotman: hey it's not like I _knew_ that, I had to reach up and pull down my en-la dictionary |
| 00:43.53 | stoned | dorks man, that word sounds more like a food product than it does a dork |
| 00:44.16 | abrotman | peterS: is the word similar in fr/es/it ? |
| 00:44.19 | stoned | hi, I'd like some dorks and a large coke |
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| 00:44.35 | abrotman | well .. this is getting weird |
| 00:44.52 | peterS | abrotman: I'd have to look it up, I don't know. (and I can't find my en-it dictionary, so I can only look up the french) |
| 00:44.53 | stoned | lunitik, stop being weird |
| 00:44.56 | pstickne | any good link on how to make packages? (from built source of application not from deb) |
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| 00:45.11 | lunitik | stoned: no seriously... you brought up it being a food product damnit |
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| 00:45.34 | abrotman | !tell pstickne about mg |
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| 00:47.17 | digx | abrotman: its working great now, thanks :) |
| 00:47.33 | abrotman | digx: enjoy .. good luck with the broadcom stuff :) |
| 00:47.33 | peterS | abrotman: my en-fr dictionary is useless. it tells us about 'gai' and 'allègre', which both mean happy. it was published in 1961, maybe it wasn't as important of a word back then |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | peterS: that was when gay had fewer negative connotations |
| 00:48.31 | Guerin | gay doesn't have negative connotations |
| 00:48.33 | oiad | you thint "homosexual" is negative? |
| 00:48.36 | Vasistha | abrotman: the use of "gay" to mean "homosexual" is rather new ... but not necessarily negative? |
| 00:48.38 | Guerin | it has sexual identity connotations |
| 00:48.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:48.48 | Guerin | pwnt |
| 00:48.53 | oiad | :P |
| 00:48.53 | stoned | Guerin must be very gay |
| 00:48.54 | Vasistha | well, I guess we told him :P |
| 00:48.58 | stoned | happy of course ;) |
| 00:49.01 | Guerin | tra la fucking la |
| 00:49.04 | peterS | abrotman: the en-fr doesn't even have entries for 'homosexual' or 'sodomite', and the entry for 'fag' is only defined as 'cigarette, pipe' |
| 00:49.04 | stoned | lol |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | Vasistha: depends who you ask |
| 00:49.46 | stoned | yeah, my first time at a british airport, I was asked to put my fags in the basket and I had no idea what the man was talking about |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | i quite honestly could care less .. but the town where i grew up .. it's a bit smaller minded :) |
| 00:49.54 | peterS | stoned: oh dear (: |
| 00:50.06 | Guerin | ooh, beepings |
| 00:50.21 | Guerin | that's not a good noise for a booting computer to make |
| 00:50.36 | dvs | Guerin: it's happy to see you! |
| 00:50.42 | abrotman | Guerin: get down!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:50.55 | stoned | you go up in like, bumsville fucking Alabama, and go to like a truckstop and say, "Oy mate, I need a fag real bad" |
| 00:50.57 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:50.59 | Malagmyr | BOOOOOOOOOM! |
| 00:51.05 | Vasistha | peterS: from penguin's 1985: gay n homosexuel -elle; adj gai, joyeux -euse; (colour) vif (f vive), e/clatant, gai, frivole; homosexuel -elle, coll de la pe/dale |
| 00:51.07 | Guerin | one of the keys was jammed down |
| 00:51.16 | stoned | but redneck don't know what a fag is |
| 00:51.27 | stoned | so you're fucked, they'll probably beat you up |
| 00:51.40 | peterS | Vasistha: yeah I don't think we're looking for joyeux/joyeuse or vif/vive (: |
| 00:51.42 | Guerin | rednecks make life hard |
| 00:51.45 | Guerin | that's just how it is |
| 00:51.53 | dvs | stoned: at least not the one you're talking about |
| 00:52.07 | stoned | dvs, well duh dude |
| 00:52.09 | stoned | of course |
| 00:52.32 | Vasistha | hehehehe, I like to say, rednecks and hippies have more in common than either of them like to admit... |
| 00:52.33 | stoned | you know like some kids say DUHIYEEE! |
| 00:52.40 | stoned | like a prolonged DUH |
| 00:52.48 | stoned | well duhiyee in my language means yogurt |
| 00:52.51 | Guerin | dvs: gay to see you too |
| 00:52.56 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:52.59 | stoned | I'm being stopid |
| 00:53.03 | stoned | upid |
| 00:53.11 | Vasistha | rednecks and hippies... both are smelly and dirty, both like nature and the outdoors, and are outspoken about civil rights. Both like sitting on the front porch drinking beer all day long :D |
| 00:53.11 | Guerin | sorry about te deg^hlay |
| 00:53.31 | peterS | man I need to find my en-it dictionary. while I appreciate the dict-freedict-eng-ita package, it's so incomplete as to be useless |
| 00:53.47 | Guerin | difference is that one group has a pickup and a shotgun and a mean dog, and the other has a bike and a bong and a lazy dog |
| 00:53.52 | stoned | the southpark episode Die Hippy Die is great. About the hippy music festival |
| 00:54.01 | abrotman | peterS: you should get a multi-lingual dictionary |
| 00:54.13 | Vasistha | Guerin: I've known hippies with pickup trucks :-) |
| 00:54.22 | stoned | not true hippies |
| 00:54.31 | peterS | abrotman: honestly, I do ok with the four en-* dictionaries I have (: I rarely need to look anything up in more than one language at once |
| 00:54.34 | Guerin | Vasistha: hotdamn! |
| 00:54.50 | peterS | Vasistha: pickups with tie-die paint jobs? cool |
| 00:54.53 | Guerin | in NZ, plots of hippies have pickup trucks |
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| 00:55.09 | peterS | tie-dye, of course I meant |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | peterS: i have a RH dictionary from around 1965 .. it has most of the english language of the time .. and a good section in the back for translation |
| 00:55.16 | Guerin | but in NZ, a pickup truck is a 3/4 ton jap import with a 2 litre 4 cylinder |
| 00:55.18 | ru | hi guys |
| 00:55.21 | Vasistha | you know, I don't know if I've ever seen a tie-dye-esque paint job on a car |
| 00:55.25 | stoned | hi |
| 00:55.35 | ru | i just formatted my secondary drive and im trying to mount it but it refuses to work |
| 00:55.35 | peterS | Vasistha: you haven't seen a hippie VW bus, then |
| 00:55.41 | ru | "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1" |
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| 00:55.48 | Vasistha | peterS: many, just not with a neato paint job like that |
| 00:55.49 | ru | i formatted it using fat32 |
| 00:56.02 | Vasistha | ru: did you use mtools |
| 00:56.10 | peterS | ru: either explicitly load the 'vfat' kernel module, or use the 'mount -t vfat' mount option |
| 00:56.14 | ru | no i tried fdisk, and cfdisk |
| 00:56.27 | ru | peterS: I did - this is my command: |
| 00:56.28 | Vasistha | ru: that creates a partition, but does not actually format the drive |
| 00:56.33 | ru | sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb /media/windows/ |
| 00:56.34 | dvs | ru: you're probably missint the -t vfat option |
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| 00:56.37 | ru | sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /media/windows/ |
| 00:56.38 | ru | sorry |
| 00:56.50 | peterS | ru: oh, if you just created the partition with type 'fat32', that doesn't actually create a filesystem. install the 'dosfstools' package and then use 'mkdosfs /dev/hdb1' |
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| 00:56.57 | abrotman | but we've all had the friend that thought it'd be fun to paint their car with house paint |
| 00:56.58 | dvs | ru: is it a custom kernel? |
| 00:56.59 | Guerin | ru: you're not in brooklyn are you? |
| 00:57.11 | ru | no |
| 00:57.13 | Vasistha | ru: you need to apt-get install mtools and get it formatted properly before you will be able to mount. Or alternately just boot to windows and format it there |
| 00:57.15 | ru | its standard stuff |
| 00:57.17 | jonas23 | I'm having an interesting problem on debian sid involving my shift key, but I am doing a bit with my locales so I am not sure if it is widespread. Has anyone experienced their shift key simply stop functioning in X for all but capital letters/ |
| 00:57.22 | ru | FAT: bogus sectors per cluster 0 |
| 00:57.28 | peterS | Vasistha: never mind mtools, dosfstools will handle it too |
| 00:57.30 | ru | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev hdb1 |
| 00:57.37 | peterS | ru: you're not listening, are you? |
| 00:57.38 | ru | Thats what i see in dmesg | tao; |
| 00:57.40 | Vasistha | peterS: oh yeah? thanks. |
| 00:57.40 | ru | tail |
| 00:57.41 | dvs | ru: modprobe vfat |
| 00:57.47 | stoned | tail...fat.. |
| 00:57.48 | stoned | ugh |
| 00:57.50 | ru | k lemme try that |
| 00:57.59 | Vasistha | dvs: you do realize that the partition is not formatted, right? |
| 00:58.05 | ru | modprobe vfat works |
| 00:58.11 | ru | lemme try mtools |
| 00:58.17 | peterS | Vasistha: 'mformat' from mtools will work, but you have to set up the drive letter mapping in /etc/mtools.conf. 'mkdosfs' is simpler because you can just pass it a device name directly. |
| 00:58.18 | Vasistha | ru: or dosfstools |
| 00:58.22 | ru | cool thanks |
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| 00:58.35 | jonas23 | xserver-xorg 7.0.22, in case anyone is wondering |
| 00:58.37 | Vasistha | ru: yeah, listen to peterS, his advice is best / easiest |
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| 00:59.29 | jp | hello who is online ?:) |
| 00:59.34 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 00:59.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:59.39 | Vasistha | darn it |
| 00:59.49 | Vasistha | I bring up the wrong factoids too often :-( |
| 00:59.55 | dvs | jp: do you really want 549 responses? |
| 01:00.08 | jp | yea just ask something |
| 01:00.52 | jonas23 | so has anyone heard of this problem where the shift key malfunctions |
| 01:01.30 | jp | who have a scaner whith pass file also ? linux |
| 01:01.32 | Malagmyr | YES. I HAVE THAT PROBLEM SOMETIMES. IT'S BLOODY ANNOYING. |
| 01:01.50 | jonas23 | It's actually working for capital letters.. but for most anything else it doesn't. |
| 01:02.03 | jonas23 | Very odd stuff.. I can't put quotes, question marks, or anything above the numbers. |
| 01:02.18 | Vasistha | jp: alright, so you needed that factoid after all. Here, I'll give it to you again. |
| 01:02.24 | jonas23 | .xsession-errors doesn't list anything too unusual |
| 01:02.25 | Vasistha | !tell jp about anyone |
| 01:02.39 | peterS | jp: what do you mean by 'scaner whith pass file'? |
| 01:03.03 | jp | you now peterS what is a scaner? |
| 01:03.03 | jonas23 | I can't even do smiley faces ;9 |
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| 01:03.30 | peterS | jp: no I don't. 'scanner' can mean several different kinds of things, 'scaner' means nothing |
| 01:03.41 | Malagmyr | no, jp, I'm sure peterS has never heard of a "scaner" |
| 01:03.46 | Malagmyr | ... |
| 01:04.04 | jp | the scaner like this # scanning: 217.144.155.* (total: 90) (60.8% done) |
| 01:04.16 | jp | scaning on another ips to get roots |
| 01:04.26 | Malagmyr | wtf |
| 01:04.32 | jp | ye :) |
| 01:04.34 | jonas23 | hoo boy |
| 01:04.34 | Vasistha | jp: okay, really, you can fix your spelling mistake now. The word you want is spelled 'scanner' with two ns |
| 01:04.38 | peterS | jp: you're talking about a port scanner. |
| 01:04.47 | peterS | jp: we won't help you hax0r in here, please don't ask |
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| 01:05.08 | jp | i`m not a haxor peters |
| 01:05.16 | peterS | jp: why would you want to "get roots" then? |
| 01:05.20 | Malagmyr | good luck getting root using just a port scanner... |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | Malagmyr: please |
| 01:06.04 | jp | man i just joke i`m not scaning.. |
| 01:06.15 | zinx | i have scaner and /etc/password |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | !tell Luxxor1 about away |
| 01:06.34 | peterS | I could use a scanner. which ones are cheap and reliable these days? |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | eyes? |
| 01:06.49 | Vasistha | peterS: I have this kid in my basement... |
| 01:06.52 | zinx | peterS: if you're looking for cheap, pretty much all of them |
| 01:06.57 | peterS | Vasistha: how fast does he type / draw? |
| 01:06.58 | jp | zinx why do you use scaner to het othe root ? |
| 01:07.02 | zinx | peterS: if you're looking for reliable... good frikken luck, buddy. |
| 01:07.07 | Vasistha | peterS: depends how he's feeling. |
| 01:07.10 | abrotman | jp: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 01:07.19 | peterS | Vasistha: if he can do reasonable quality at 6 pages per minute, send him over |
| 01:07.26 | jp | not now abrotman |
| 01:07.41 | abrotman | jp: then please go to another channel .. this channel is to support Debian users .. not AOL kids |
| 01:07.54 | Vasistha | peterS: I'll ask him if he feels like working abroad |
| 01:08.19 | jp | aol damn i use aol just to lisent music ... i also have debian :) |
| 01:08.21 | peterS | Vasistha: eh, even if he comes cheap, the shipping will kill me |
| 01:08.40 | Vasistha | peterS: oh, but the ocr is the best |
| 01:08.40 | peterS | jp: we don't care, you're using AOL right now, and you're talking about lame things only kids talk about, therefore you're an AOL kid. |
| 01:09.04 | ru | howcome i need mtools though, why can fdisk do it |
| 01:09.18 | Vasistha | ru: fdisk is a partitioning tool, not a formatting tool |
| 01:09.18 | peterS | ru: you don't need mtools, you need dosfstools |
| 01:09.30 | jp | lol ;) ok then leave me alone.. is you don`t now how to joke |
| 01:09.32 | Vasistha | ru: and... what peterS said |
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| 01:09.46 | ru | i am tying this mformat is annoying |
| 01:09.55 | jonas23 | hmm |
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| 01:09.59 | ru | dosfstools - oh ok let me try |
| 01:10.00 | Vasistha | jp: sorry, you've already gotten on our bad sides ... if you leave the channel we will /msg you with scoldings :D |
| 01:10.03 | jonas23 | i have an xkbvariant setting |
| 01:10.09 | Malagmyr | jp: argh! know, know, know, scanner, scanner, scanner |
| 01:10.12 | abrotman | Vasistha: no .. we won't |
| 01:10.18 | peterS | Vasistha: that's not called for. don't try to deter him from leaving! |
| 01:10.28 | jp | :)) wtf man just joke |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | kids these days |
| 01:10.45 | pstickne | how can I keep packages from being removed when I install something new? |
| 01:10.51 | jonas23 | i am removing it and trying again but this problem doesn't always show itself |
| 01:10.59 | jp | damn :)) i have 24 year not 14 abrotman |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | i would have guessed eight |
| 01:11.13 | pstickne | !lock |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | !hold |
| 01:11.23 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 01:11.24 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:12.17 | pstickne | that's not what I want |
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| 01:12.36 | peterS | abrotman: hmmm, 'aptitude hold pkgname' is probably more practical nowadays, though it may require that you use aptitude all the time instead of apt-get |
| 01:12.41 | Vasistha | pstickne: do you mean, don't delete the .deb file from the apt/archives ? |
| 01:12.43 | pstickne | I'm trying to install libqt3-mt-dev and I really don't want it removing 10 packages. |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | peterS: edit the factoid! |
| 01:13.20 | Vasistha | no |
| 01:13.20 | peterS | abrotman: I'm considering it |
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| 01:13.21 | Vasistha | err, that was not in response to you abrotman |
| 01:13.21 | abrotman | peterS: well .. that way will get it for all front-ends |
| 01:13.22 | pstickne | It wants to remove kopete and amor and openoffice. no! just install. don't remove them :( |
| 01:13.33 | Guerin | trust te aptitude |
| 01:13.40 | Guerin | it knows what you want better than you do |
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| 01:13.58 | pstickne | Guerin, if it is really going to remove them, it shure as hell doesn't. |
| 01:13.58 | peterS | dang, I can't even test this stuff, as I don't have dselect installed anymore |
| 01:14.10 | pstickne | Guerin, or can I trust that "remove" means "don't really remove"? |
| 01:14.13 | abrotman | and why would you? |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | i think the last time i tried to use dselect was .. potato |
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| 01:17.22 | peterS | abrotman: well, looks as though 'aptitude hold' does not affect 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. so yeah you have to be using aptitude for that to work. |
| 01:17.53 | abrotman | peterS: but telling dpkg affects aptitude and apt-get right ? |
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| 01:18.01 | peterS | abrotman: I guess, I didn't test that |
| 01:18.03 | abrotman | i'd hope so |
| 01:18.35 | Guerin | wth |
| 01:18.44 | Guerin | the cdrom on this thing plugs into the sound card |
| 01:18.47 | Guerin | not to the ide |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | what's wrong with that? |
| 01:19.31 | abrotman | like you've never seen a SB16 before .. jeez |
| 01:19.33 | pstickne | Guerin, some old soundcardsa had IDE ports |
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| 01:20.31 | Guerin | i do hope it works |
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| 01:20.59 | abrotman | Guerin: you could plug it into the IDE port |
| 01:21.04 | peterS | Guerin: and some old sound cards have _SCSI_ interfaces, and the CDROM is SCSI. this is true of the Pro Audio Spectrum 16, for example |
| 01:21.10 | Guerin | i tried, but it appeared to not work |
| 01:21.23 | Guerin | hm, this appears to be an ide |
| 01:21.34 | Guerin | stupid 2nd millennium hardware |
| 01:21.47 | digx | i have a computer with a wireless card i want to install debian with |
| 01:21.52 | digx | does debian include drivers to support it? |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | depends on the card |
| 01:22.00 | peterS | Guerin: if you ever wondered about all those weird cdrom drivers in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/cdrom/, this is why they exist. |
| 01:22.01 | Guerin | digx: we don't know |
| 01:22.06 | Guerin | hah |
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| 01:22.34 | peterS | because before ATAPI took over the cdrom market, several vendors of sound cards tried to bundle sound card + cdrom drive combinations using their own proprietary interfaces |
| 01:22.41 | Guerin | right, I see |
| 01:22.52 | Guerin | so you could play them newfangled 'cd' things on your computer |
| 01:22.57 | pstickne | using `lock' in synaptic won't keep them from being marked for removal. |
| 01:22.58 | peterS | yep |
| 01:23.08 | peterS | and you'd hear the audio coming right out your computer speakers, using your new sound card! |
| 01:23.22 | peterS | it was pretty cool stuff |
| 01:23.26 | pstickne | how can I [force?] install a package without uninstalling others? |
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| 01:24.24 | catch23 | anyone here use xinerama with 2 video cards? |
| 01:24.42 | catch23 | err, anyone here use xinerama with 2 nvidia cards? |
| 01:25.00 | Vasistha | !anyone use |
| 01:25.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | #nvidia ? |
| 01:25.22 | peterS | this question isn't really about nvidia, it's about xserver-xorg |
| 01:25.38 | catch23 | heh, is there a #xserver-org? |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | i thought xinerama + binary nvidia drivers == bad! |
| 01:26.08 | catch23 | find me a better gaming platform and I'll switch :P |
| 01:26.25 | peterS | abrotman: yeah but he didn't say binary nvidia drivesr |
| 01:26.36 | Guerin | catch23: windows |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | catch23: PS2 |
| 01:27.05 | Guerin | hell, you're already using proprietary software, wy pretend you care about free software? |
| 01:27.58 | catch23 | hey, nobody's pretending here. I use what works. |
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| 01:28.03 | enouf | peterS: and that's why many older 9x CD winblows installs wouldn't occur if the soundcard wasn't hooked directly to an 'atypical' Goldstar cdrom drive, and the related TSR DOS driver loaded from config.sys, and the mscdex.exe in autoexec.bat |
| 01:28.17 | catch23 | I use linux because it works, I don't use windows because it doesn't work. |
| 01:28.40 | peterS | enouf: do you have any idea how childish the word "winblows" makes you sound? just fyi. |
| 01:28.51 | Guerin | catch23: haha. |
| 01:28.54 | enouf | peterS: yep ;-) |
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| 01:30.43 | Guerin | hm, i must have misplugged it into the ide, because it appears to be working now |
| 01:30.49 | pstickne | yaya! that was AWESOME. |
| 01:30.52 | peterS | w00t |
| 01:30.58 | pstickne | synaptic deleted openoffice for no good reason. |
| 01:31.00 | pstickne | whoohoo! |
| 01:31.14 | Guerin | peterS: so the creative 1x cdrom i have here probably won't work off a standard ide? only through the sound card? |
| 01:31.16 | pstickne | how can I tell apt/dpkg/whatever to leave packages alone? |
| 01:31.19 | dvs | pstickne: that was MS synaptic. ;-) |
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| 01:31.32 | peterS | pstickne: you're saying it doesn't present a list of updates it is about to make, before making them? I'm glad I use aptitude |
| 01:31.32 | pstickne | dvs, it's apt-get being retarded |
| 01:31.34 | amphi | pstickne: use lyx ;) |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | pstickne: why was it deleted ? |
| 01:31.53 | pstickne | peterS, it does, I was trying it with `lock` (I can reinstall it) |
| 01:32.17 | peterS | Guerin: oh, who knows. it might use the soundblaster interface (with the the 'sbpcd' kernel module) or it might be plain IDE |
| 01:32.17 | pstickne | peterS, but it doesn't get to the core: how can I choose to not have a package automatically removed from under-me? |
| 01:32.26 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 01:32.34 | pstickne | abrotman, because I can't tell it to not be deleted? :( |
| 01:32.35 | Guerin | i just had it plugged into the plain ide and it wouldn't work |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | pstickne: you weren't paying attention :) |
| 01:32.43 | peterS | pstickne: in aptitude, hit 'm' |
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| 01:32.52 | Guerin | the 'normal' cd drive i have in there now works normally on an ide |
| 01:33.05 | pstickne | peterS, any synaptic equiv or is only aptitude smart enough? |
| 01:33.11 | pstickne | abrotman, yes I was, I saw the delete list ;) |
| 01:33.12 | peterS | pstickne: I don't use synaptic. ask someone else. |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | pstickne: but it tells you why |
| 01:34.20 | pstickne | peterS, when a package is selected? |
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| 01:34.22 | Pons | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they |
| 01:34.22 | Pons | start making vacuum cleaners" -- Ernst Jan Plugge |
| 01:34.27 | peterS | pstickne: I don't use synaptic. ask someone else. |
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| 01:35.16 | pstickne | peterS, no, in aptidue |
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| 01:35.44 | peterS | pstickne: 'm' tells the system that you want the package to be installed manually, rather than automatically (automatically means you don't care about the package, it was only pulled in as a dependency of something else) |
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| 01:36.17 | pstickne | peterS, can I go back and mark packages that way? or must it be on the install? |
| 01:36.19 | peterS | pstickne: if you get conflicts between different packages that you want installed, you can resolve them using various other tactics, like '+' or ':' or 'h' (to hold a package at a particular version). do what works. |
| 01:36.30 | peterS | pstickne: you can mark packages as automated or manual using the 'M' and 'm' keys. |
| 01:36.47 | pstickne | peterS, but if I use apt-whatever it's going to ignore that? |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | bash: apt-whatever: command not found |
| 01:37.14 | chaoticmass | How can I find out the IP address of a computer on my lan without manually pinging every possible IP on my subnet? I don't have local access to the box and I forgot it's IP. |
| 01:37.14 | peterS | pstickne: if you have an existing system with stuff on it that you didn't install using aptitude, you might go through the list hitting 'M' on the things you don't directly care about. that way next time you upgrade other things, the packages that are no longer needed will go away |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | chaoticmass: ping the name ? |
| 01:37.32 | peterS | chaoticmass: if it's running samba nmbd, you can use 'nmblookup' to find it |
| 01:37.44 | pstickne | peterS, in this case I want m because I _want_ them to stay. grr. |
| 01:37.54 | chaoticmass | Hmm, the name is not in my hosts file so would that still work? |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | chaoticmass: does it run nmbd ? |
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| 01:38.25 | chaoticmass | I don't remember if I installed samba on it or not |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | do you know the hostname? |
| 01:38.39 | chaoticmass | what package has the nmblookup program so I can install that and try it? |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | if so .. try ythe nmblookup |
| 01:38.43 | chaoticmass | hostname is sparky |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | i used to work with a sparcy .. |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | !find nmblookup sarge |
| 01:39.00 | chaoticmass | It's a sparcstation IPX box |
| 01:39.00 | peterS | pstickne: right. but that only affects whether something is removed because nothing depends on it. if something is to be removed because it conflicts with other packages you want to install, you have to resolve that conflict by other means - deciding which things to install, which things to upgrade, which things to remove, so that the system is self-consistent. aptitude can help you with that process by pointing out ... |
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| 01:39.06 | sng | abrotman: Free your hate. |
| 01:39.07 | peterS | ... when you're not satisfying all teh constraints, but it can't always guess for you which solution you'd prefer. |
| 01:39.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nmblookup' (4): (/usr/bin/nmblookup) in net/samba-common ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/nmblookup.1.html) in net/swat ;; (/usr/share/samba-doc-ja/html/nmblookup.1.html) in doc/samba-doc-ja ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/nmblookup.1.html) in doc/samba-doc. |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | chaoticmass: we named our sparcstation 'sparcy' |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | sng: i'd need a laxative |
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| 01:39.28 | pstickne | peterS, thanks |
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| 01:39.32 | peterS | abrotman: it's in the 'samba-common' package, it seems |
| 01:39.33 | sng | abrotman: Get on it. |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:39.39 | chaoticmass | yeah I guess I shouled used a c instead of a k hehe |
| 01:39.42 | sng | Damn east coast slackers. |
| 01:39.50 | Hotwire | hi, i just tried installing nividia drivers on a etch i386 install using a 2.6 kernel, and now when i boot all i get is a blank screen, any ideas as to ways to fix it? |
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| 01:39.51 | chaoticmass | ok, installing samba-common to get nmblookup |
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| 01:40.08 | chaoticmass | I love apt :) |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | sng: if we're slackers .. what does that make you ? |
| 01:40.20 | Guerin | hippies |
| 01:40.23 | Guerin | gwon |
| 01:40.32 | Guerin | blaze another one up |
| 01:40.35 | sng | abrotman: Some sort of super slacker. I think. |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:40.53 | chaoticmass | ok, I got nmblookup, now what parameters do I need to use? |
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| 01:41.07 | Guerin | CharonX: --help |
| 01:41.07 | peterS | chaoticmass: just 'nmblookup machinename' for a basic query |
| 01:41.11 | Guerin | chaoticmass: --help |
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| 01:41.18 | CharonX | ? |
| 01:41.26 | Guerin | CharonX: you are a victim of consequence |
| 01:41.27 | chaoticmass | ok, it didn't find it |
| 01:41.29 | CharonX | --help |
| 01:41.36 | CharonX | Ok |
| 01:41.37 | Guerin | CharonX: don't worry. |
| 01:41.38 | Vasistha | Hotwire: did you follow instructions you got in here, or were you just working on it yourself without guidance from #debian |
| 01:41.54 | sng | Guerin: That's an odd way of spelling "target". :) |
| 01:41.54 | chaoticmass | is there a utility that will ping IPs within a range for me? |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | ping |
| 01:42.11 | Guerin | sng: my obsd install finally got done |
| 01:42.15 | chaoticmass | hmm, lemmie look at the man in that case |
| 01:42.20 | Guerin | now let's see if it'll boot |
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| 01:42.41 | peterS | chaoticmass: you could try a broadcast ping and see who answers it. that sometimes works, but not all OSes respond to broadcast pings |
| 01:42.42 | sng | Yay! |
| 01:42.52 | chaoticmass | the sparc box is running debian sarge |
| 01:42.55 | CharonX | Question, I set my path value in /etc/profile but under a gnome terminal the changes are not loading. Is there a different file to modify the global $PATH in gnome ? |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | .bashrc ? |
| 01:43.12 | chaoticmass | peterS: so what would I do to send a broadcast ping? |
| 01:43.13 | peterS | I don't think sarge responds to broadcast pings by default |
| 01:43.17 | chaoticmass | oh |
| 01:43.17 | CharonX | Well, under gnome anything in /etc/profile is not showing up |
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| 01:43.25 | peterS | chaoticmass: ping -b the broadcast address of your network |
| 01:43.26 | CharonX | But in a regular terminal it is |
| 01:43.26 | Guerin | and it bootx0rs! |
| 01:43.33 | chaoticmass | I'll try |
| 01:43.53 | Hotwire | Vasistha, i looked at the nvidia site + the forums it pointed to |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | CharonX: read .bashrc |
| 01:44.13 | Vasistha | Hotwire: oh dear... |
| 01:44.16 | Hotwire | maybe a mistake in retrospect |
| 01:44.31 | peterS | reading "web forums" is almost always a mistake |
| 01:44.47 | peterS | people who use those instead of mailing lists tend to produce ... shall we say lower quality output |
| 01:44.52 | abrotman | peterS: they helped me with my love life |
| 01:44.53 | chaoticmass | hmm, two of my debian sarge boxes responded to the broadcast ping, but 3 others did not, including my sparc box |
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| 01:45.03 | peterS | abrotman: r u serious lol |
| 01:45.05 | Vasistha | Hotwire: well, what's done is done, we need to get you back up and running. What exactly happens when you boot? Want to give a more detailed description? |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | chaoticmass: is it a /24 network ? |
| 01:45.30 | chaoticmass | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.32 | chaoticmass | err |
| 01:45.34 | chaoticmass | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | /24 |
| 01:45.44 | peterS | chaoticmass: if you don't know what a /24 is, ask your network administrator |
| 01:45.46 | Hotwire | the kernel boot, but when x starts (at think its at this point) i just get a blank black screen |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | \o/ |
| 01:45.58 | chaoticmass | I'm at home, I have a router and a switch |
| 01:46.26 | chaoticmass | the sparc box isn't configured to do DHCP otherwise I could find the IP easily |
| 01:46.30 | abrotman | chaoticmass: write a for loop that pings every IP you think it oculd be .. so 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.255 ? |
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| 01:46.49 | chaoticmass | yeah thats what I'll do it looks like |
| 01:46.53 | dvs_ | Whew! That was some lightning! |
| 01:47.03 | peterS | we need more rain :( |
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| 01:47.16 | dvs_ | peterS: Have ours! |
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| 01:47.27 | chaoticmass | I was hoping I'd ask here and learn something new, like a neat utility or something :) |
| 01:47.28 | Vasistha | Hotwire: well, probably the first thing to do is pretty ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 01:47.36 | gozz | will this give me write permissions? |
| 01:47.41 | pstickne | whoot! now aptitude wants to remove half of gnome :( |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | will what? |
| 01:47.47 | gozz | :/dev/hda9 /mnt/hd ext3 defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 01:47.47 | chaoticmass | brb |
| 01:47.50 | Vasistha | Hotwire: ...which will kill your X session, and then you will get a console prompt. Btw, what version of debian are you using? |
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| 01:48.04 | peterS | chaoticmass: some people would use a port scanner for that, but we mainly laugh at people coming in asking about a 'scaner' |
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| 01:48.24 | JulianTifflor | hekllo |
| 01:48.29 | gozz | if i put this line in fstab |
| 01:48.31 | JulianTifflor | how can i regenerate pkgcache.bin |
| 01:48.43 | peterS | JulianTifflor: apt-get update |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | stupid package .. just build! |
| 01:48.47 | JulianTifflor | apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic keep crashing |
| 01:48.49 | Hotwire | Vasistha, i'm going to have to install irc on another pc because this pc i'm using is the pc i need |
| 01:48.55 | Hotwire | i will be back very soon |
| 01:48.57 | Vasistha | Hotwire: wait |
| 01:48.58 | Hotwire | :) |
| 01:49.00 | Hotwire | ok |
| 01:49.06 | peterS | JulianTifflor: if necessary, delete the .bin files in /var/cache/apt/ before running apt-get update |
| 01:49.09 | Vasistha | Hotwire: tried irssi? |
| 01:49.19 | chaoticmass | peterS: I can make something in perl easy enough I guess... don't need script kiddy stuff :) |
| 01:49.25 | Vasistha | Hotwire: or ... oh, are you dual-booting windows on the troubled computer? |
| 01:49.33 | Vasistha | Hotwire: ...or dual-booting something else? |
| 01:49.39 | Hotwire | i have a pc right next to me, it would be quicker to use that |
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| 01:49.47 | Vasistha | Hotwire: probably right :-) |
| 01:49.52 | Hotwire | i'm dual booting with kubuntu on this pc |
| 01:50.06 | Vasistha | Hotwire: dual-booting kubuntu and what? |
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| 01:50.25 | JulianTifflor | oh |
| 01:50.31 | JulianTifflor | peterS: that worked |
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| 01:50.39 | peterS | good good |
| 01:50.51 | Hotwire | Vasistha, etch |
| 01:50.52 | Vasistha | what, do the .bin files get somehow corrupted? |
| 01:50.58 | JulianTifflor | peterS: i like debian but apt keeps causing problems *g* |
| 01:51.13 | JulianTifflor | Vasistha: deleting them *G* |
| 01:51.19 | JulianTifflor | i did it before but forgot the place |
| 01:51.24 | peterS | verrrrry occasionally the .bin files can be corrupted. I don't know what is required to make this happen, but fortunately the fix is easy enough |
| 01:51.33 | Vasistha | Hotwire: oh yes, I think you said that in the very beginning. Anyway, go ahead and do your reboots, I may not stick around :P but someone ought to be available to help |
| 01:51.51 | JulianTifflor | peterS: well if the status file gets corrupted |
| 01:51.52 | pstickne | what are the .bin files? |
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| 01:52.09 | peterS | pstickne: look in /var/cache/apt/ and marvel |
| 01:52.09 | Vasistha | pstickne: they contain package lists and descriptions and versions |
| 01:52.14 | JulianTifflor | peterS: how can i upgrade stable to testing ? |
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| 01:52.21 | jotham | hi, i'm looking for a way to limit http traffic (ideally to certian addresses) to a certian data rate |
| 01:52.22 | Hotwired | hello |
| 01:52.24 | jotham | any ideas? |
| 01:53.08 | peterS | jotham: apache ships a mod_bandwidth |
| 01:53.16 | Vasistha | Hotwire: so you'll want to go ahead and boot into single user mode, or just do a normal boot and use ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X |
| 01:53.17 | jotham | cheers peterS |
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| 01:54.23 | Hotwire | ctrl+alt+backspace has no effect |
| 01:55.15 | JulianTifflor | mhmh |
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| 01:55.26 | JulianTifflor | can i get apt-get to fetch more than one package at the same time ? |
| 01:55.33 | peterS | JulianTifflor: yes |
| 01:55.36 | chaoticmass | Scanning my lan now.... ping ping ping where are you sparky ... |
| 01:55.44 | Hotwire | one of the last things to come up before the blank screen was something about starting MTA |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | sparcy! |
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| 01:56.14 | chaoticmass | If I dont find it then I'll have to drag out the sparc keyboard and monitor to find out whats up |
| 01:56.18 | JulianTifflor | peterS: how ? |
| 01:56.20 | peterS | JulianTifflor: though I'd switch to aptitude at some point, it's got nice features. 'aptitude install gpm screen dosfstools' |
| 01:56.42 | abrotman | chaoticmass: you're just going to find out the network cable isn't plugged in |
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| 01:56.47 | JulianTifflor | peterS: oh ic |
| 01:56.53 | Hotwire | SerV1ce4 |
| 01:56.58 | Hoxzer | :/ what makes aptitude better than apt-get? |
| 01:57.09 | peterS | chaoticmass: this is why you need a null modem cable, so you can just fire up minicom from a peecee and log in |
| 01:57.13 | chaoticmass | abrotman: my switch shows a link light when I plug it in, otherwise you're right |
| 01:57.22 | pstickne | Hoxzer, it won't decided that all your programs an unused and need to be uninstalled :x |
| 01:57.23 | abrotman | link doesn't mean IP |
| 01:57.28 | peterS | Hoxzer: quite a few features, most of which you don't use very often but a few of which are quite essential |
| 01:57.38 | chaoticmass | peterS: I should just get dumb terminal with green screen :) |
| 01:57.45 | pstickne | Hoxzer, it's better then synaptic too -- you can tell it that package x should be manual or automatic |
| 01:57.53 | peterS | chaoticmass: well, that's the other option, if you don't have a spare serial port on your nearest peecee |
| 01:58.05 | Hotwire | opps, that was most un cleaver, that what happens when the keyboard on your lap isn't the keyboard for the pc you are looking at |
| 01:58.29 | Hotwire | Vasistha, i've now got a console |
| 01:59.10 | Vasistha | Hotwire: alright, there's very little I know here ... I've never used/installed nvidia or any other fancy graphics card for that matter .. but you should /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 01:59.38 | chaoticmass | Without using screen or dtach, isn't there a command to fork a process from the terminal? |
| 02:00.36 | Hotwire | Vasistha, cool thanks for the help |
| 02:00.47 | Vasistha | np |
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| 02:03.38 | chaoticmass | Scanned from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.131 and still no sparcy ... |
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| 02:04.16 | pstickne | wow. FF 1.5.0.5 sucks. |
| 02:04.35 | pstickne | make a paste in the URL remove all prev content. |
| 02:04.37 | dvs_ | pstickne: as opposed to 1.5.0.4? |
| 02:04.49 | pstickne | dvs_, 1.5.0.4 didn't have this "feature" |
| 02:05.01 | Darklock | then get seamonkey 1.0.4, fresh off the compilers ;) |
| 02:05.01 | pstickne | ahh, nvm |
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| 02:05.21 | pstickne | it does seem to handle content insertion a tab differently though. |
| 02:05.34 | abrotman | do you do anything but whine? |
| 02:05.43 | pstickne | abrotman, no. |
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| 02:07.08 | abrotman | and the MG pages need a serious revamp |
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| 02:07.19 | danf_1979 | to execute a script in /etc/init.d/ is not as easy as just placing the script in there? |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | danf_1979: and make the permissions correct .. and link to it from the appropriate rc#.d |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | !run at start |
| 02:08.02 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 02:08.16 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
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| 02:08.29 | a1fa|64 | ~installed |
| 02:08.37 | abrotman | !installed |
| 02:08.37 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 02:09.39 | JulianTifflor | oh |
| 02:09.46 | JulianTifflor | i just discovered contrib and non-free |
| 02:09.50 | JulianTifflor | ^^^^^^ |
| 02:09.53 | danf_1979 | thanks abrotman |
| 02:09.58 | dvs_ | JulianTifflor: go for it! |
| 02:10.30 | JulianTifflor | hrhr |
| 02:10.33 | JulianTifflor | i will |
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| 02:11.22 | JulianTifflor | *setting up apt-cacher* |
| 02:11.42 | JulianTifflor | i hope that will speed up netinst installs *g* |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | apt-proxy you mean ? |
| 02:12.05 | dondelelcaro | ok; it's possible that there was a network glitch or something... I'd have to see the full logs to know for sure |
| 02:12.09 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 02:12.15 | JulianTifflor | apt-proxy ? |
| 02:12.17 | JulianTifflor | wtf |
| 02:12.23 | dn4 | I wonder what happens when I take out a stick of ram while my computer is running time to find out |
| 02:12.24 | JulianTifflor | is apt-proxy better ? |
| 02:12.58 | dvs_ | JulianTifflor: use apt-spy first. That'll tell you for sure. |
| 02:13.10 | Faithful | If I am installing a server is sarge the way to go? |
| 02:13.17 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 02:13.21 | dvs_ | Faithful: yes, without a doubt |
| 02:13.41 | JulianTifflor | i need to wait for the dist-upgrade ^^ |
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| 02:16.17 | JulianTifflor | can i interrupt apt-get safely ? |
| 02:16.35 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 02:16.37 | JulianTifflor | seems so |
| 02:16.42 | dvs_ | JulianTifflor: if it's only downloading packages, sure |
| 02:16.50 | pstickne | excelent. trying to install kde-devel wants to remove synaptic. how does this work? |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | very well |
| 02:17.06 | JulianTifflor | k |
| 02:17.23 | JulianTifflor | dvs_: it preferes the first mirror nt he sources.list i guess ? |
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| 02:17.55 | dvs_ | JulianTifflor: it prefers the site with the fastest transfer speed |
| 02:17.55 | pstickne | abrotman, soon I expect it to try and get rid of binutils |
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| 02:18.04 | abrotman | that'll be fun |
| 02:18.11 | JulianTifflor | k |
| 02:18.13 | TTimo | printers .. *sight* |
| 02:18.22 | myren | is there any way to recover from a broken rar file? |
| 02:18.27 | TTimo | anyone know why cups persists to send me to knoppix.home ? ( Debian Sid ) |
| 02:18.31 | TTimo | and fails |
| 02:18.44 | myren | unrar-free doesnt seem to have anything taht could get files from a broken archive, any restoration |
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| 02:21.02 | pstickne | myren, there is a whole ton of "shareware" ones |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | for linux? |
| 02:22.03 | chaoticmass | aha |
| 02:22.11 | pstickne | abrotman, WINE maybe. |
| 02:22.28 | pstickne | http://freshmeat.net/projects/filejuicer/ although doesn't imply "from corrupt RAR" |
| 02:22.31 | chaoticmass | It DID use DHCP but it doesn't have SSH |
| 02:22.36 | dvs_ | !tel i3d about away |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | chaoticmass: DOH! |
| 02:22.49 | JulianTifflor | wtf |
| 02:22.59 | chaoticmass | and when it didn't let me SSH in I assumed it was one of my windows boxen =\ |
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| 02:24.03 | pstickne | chaoticmass, bad, bad |
| 02:24.17 | chaoticmass | :) |
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| 02:25.20 | zl2tod | hmm ... BADSIG |
| 02:25.32 | chaoticmass | going to see if I can get ALSA on this old sparc box and use it to play MP3s |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | hahaa |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | chaoticmass: what CPU? or which sparc station? |
| 02:26.57 | zl2tod | is there a new drama with the gpg key ? |
| 02:27.08 | chaoticmass | It's an IPX, about 50mhz... might have to downsample to play MP3s |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | yeah .. to about 16bps :) |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | chaoticmass: i had debian running on a 1+ .. it was .. interesting |
| 02:27.43 | chaoticmass | it's faster than my 75mhz 486 thinkpad by a good bit |
| 02:27.59 | chaoticmass | abrotman: woa...I can imagine... what version debian? |
| 02:28.18 | abrotman | i think woody was the last i had on it before i sold it |
| 02:28.19 | pstickne | I wonder how mp3 decoding is CPU-wise compared to other formats such as ogg. |
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| 02:28.31 | abrotman | pstickne: do a comparison . let us know |
| 02:28.47 | chaoticmass | I have Xfce4 on here and it works pretty well suprisingly. |
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| 02:29.13 | abrotman | if i could get a sparcIII or IV in an IPX sized box .. i might buy it |
| 02:29.16 | chaoticmass | This sparc box is taking like 2 minutes to generate SSH keys |
| 02:29.28 | fleeky | is it possible to just update the source list in debian for apt to change distros? eg from ubuntu to debian? |
| 02:29.36 | pstickne | abrotman, I don't listen to music. |
| 02:29.39 | chaoticmass | Yeah I like the IPX, it's so cute I can tolerate it being slow. |
| 02:30.09 | pstickne | fleeky, no. |
| 02:30.28 | zl2tod | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 02:30.32 | chaoticmass | dist-upgrade is what you want I think |
| 02:30.46 | zl2tod | untold MD5SUM errors until that started too |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 02:30.51 | dpkg | methinks 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 02:31.02 | fleeky | dist-upgrade will do it? |
| 02:31.03 | zl2tod | abrotman, please note the 2006 above |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | !fudo |
| 02:31.05 | dpkg | fudo is probably due to a bad mirror sync, some repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors> |
| 02:31.08 | fleeky | or is it no ? |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | zl2tod: it's not 2006 anymore ? |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | fleeky: no |
| 02:31.44 | zl2tod | abrotman, it is 2006 and I installed the 2006 key at the beginning of the year |
| 02:31.44 | chaoticmass | apt-get can upgrade you to a different distro but I've never tried it, someone else can chime in with the specifics... |
| 02:31.44 | fleeky | so you definately cant do a complete net reinstallation |
| 02:31.45 | name | http://name.xieke.com/lowqual-chess-render2.jpg :) |
| 02:31.55 | fleeky | you have to have some sortof install cd to change distros? |
| 02:32.06 | zl2tod | abrotman, please note the 2006 above : "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006)" |
| 02:32.06 | abrotman | name: you have too much free time |
| 02:32.13 | pstickne | what was the cute factoid about debian-based distributions? |
| 02:32.14 | abrotman | !fudo |
| 02:32.15 | dpkg | hmm... fudo is due to a bad mirror sync, some repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors> |
| 02:32.16 | zl2tod | wtf does fudo stand for anyway |
| 02:32.16 | name | abrotman: i have holidays |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 02:32.18 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | zl2tod: no idea .. might be your problem though |
| 02:32.38 | abrotman | name: apparently all summer :) |
| 02:32.46 | name | abrotman: that needs materials |
| 02:32.50 | abrotman | name: you did it in blender? |
| 02:32.50 | name | abrotman: to look good |
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| 02:33.00 | name | abrotman: sure |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | name: let me know when you animate a match :) |
| 02:33.27 | pstickne | fleeky, the best way to change a distribution is to reinstall using that distribution |
| 02:33.44 | pstickne | s/best/only sanctioned/ |
| 02:33.47 | fleeky | yeah i was just wondering if there was a way to do it without having to burn an install cd |
| 02:33.51 | name | abrotman: lool! |
| 02:33.55 | fleeky | eg = completely over the net reinstall |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | name: animating with blender is fun |
| 02:34.02 | JulianTifflor | eeks, my available file is corrupted again |
| 02:34.04 | JulianTifflor | o_O |
| 02:34.07 | abrotman | name: you might want revision control for it though |
| 02:34.08 | fleeky | assuming you dont need any hardrive formatting etc |
| 02:34.11 | JulianTifflor | how can i fix that ? |
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| 02:34.20 | jbrimble | hi guys. I was wondering if there's a linux app that I could run that will tell me the current temperatures of my CPU and motherboard. |
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| 02:34.29 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 02:34.31 | abrotman | lmsensors |
| 02:34.36 | JulianTifflor | n8 meppl |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | gah .. the german again! |
| 02:34.38 | meppl | ;) |
| 02:34.40 | pstickne | fleeky, you mean start the install from an existing distribution? I hoped so too but I didn't find anything (although one distribution did actually hint at it) |
| 02:34.41 | JulianTifflor | *G* |
| 02:34.52 | JulianTifflor | doitsche seend evil |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | name: it took me a while to get used to .. but the results are truly satisfying |
| 02:35.04 | JulianTifflor | sowerkraut and lederhosens |
| 02:35.08 | JulianTifflor | o_O |
| 02:35.12 | fleeky | argh oh well .. maybe in the future. thanks for the response |
| 02:35.17 | name | abrotman: i know that animating is fun |
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| 02:35.20 | abrotman | !d-i fleeky |
| 02:35.21 | dpkg | fleeky, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:35.27 | name | abrotman: but not with 12000 verts |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | ChanServ: probably 20 minutes |
| 02:35.34 | name | 120000 |
| 02:35.39 | abrotman | name: you can move whole objects |
| 02:35.55 | abrotman | name: like move the rook .. you can group the points IIRC |
| 02:36.01 | name | abrotman: i know |
| 02:36.05 | abrotman | so do it! |
| 02:36.15 | name | abrotman: it's gonna take too long to render |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | name: wtf computer do you have? |
| 02:36.59 | name | abrotman: that's 120000 verts |
| 02:37.14 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:37.18 | name | abrotman: that's much |
| 02:37.21 | name | abrotman: with good qual |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | that's like 120000 |
| 02:37.26 | name | abrotman: not that crappy one |
| 02:37.28 | pstickne | fleeky, you *might* be able to setup a temp partition, copy the boot cd img contents, setup the bootloader appropriately, etc, but it would most likely be more work (and I'm not even sure if the installer would take that) |
| 02:37.37 | name | abrotman: and i needed hands and players |
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| 02:37.47 | JulianTifflor | he i can use etch as codename for updating to testing ? |
| 02:37.47 | fleeky | yeah that doesnt sound like fun |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | name: just do magic moving :) |
| 02:37.54 | name | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.01 | name | abrotman: gandalf vs saruman :D |
| 02:38.02 | fleeky | seems like you could just change sources in apt and dist-upgrade though/ |
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| 02:38.09 | pstickne | fleeky, no |
| 02:38.10 | name | abrotman: they play with their minds |
| 02:38.16 | JulianTifflor | ah ic fleeky |
| 02:38.22 | JulianTifflor | sounds logical |
| 02:38.23 | fleeky | they need to add that to apt-get :) |
| 02:38.28 | JulianTifflor | so i change stable to etch |
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| 02:38.38 | chaoticmass | Finally, done creating keys! |
| 02:38.40 | abrotman | name: i'd volunteer to help .. but blender currently crashes for me :) |
| 02:38.43 | JulianTifflor | and then it upgrades ? |
| 02:38.59 | fleeky | why wont that work btw ? because different distros use different programs |
| 02:39.04 | fleeky | and it might not install the necessary programs |
| 02:39.06 | pstickne | fleeky, a distribution is much more then just the package source. it is the entire structure setup, library versions etc, including how packages have been setup. |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | and all kinds of different packages .. and patches |
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| 02:39.26 | JulianTifflor | ol |
| 02:39.30 | fleeky | well ubuntu is just a fancy debian though isnt it ? |
| 02:39.38 | fleeky | seems like you could go between them |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | no |
| 02:39.40 | JulianTifflor | ubuntu is no debian ^^ |
| 02:39.43 | fleeky | damn |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | fancy debian .. wtf |
| 02:40.02 | pstickne | fleeky, /msg dkpb based on debian |
| 02:40.04 | JulianTifflor | debian is debian, ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 02:40.06 | chaoticmass | debian > ubuntu imo |
| 02:40.07 | pstickne | *dpkg |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | like debian is the amish people of the linux community ... |
| 02:40.16 | chaoticmass | lol |
| 02:40.17 | JulianTifflor | to ubuntu or not to ubuntu, that is the question |
| 02:40.23 | jbrimble | how do i find out what kernel i'm running? |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 02:40.28 | chaoticmass | uname -a |
| 02:40.34 | name | Linux gollum 2.6.15.4 #2 Sun Feb 26 22:11:55 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:40.36 | peterS | uname -r, really |
| 02:40.41 | name | :) |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | shut it smart ass :) |
| 02:40.44 | chaoticmass | hehe |
| 02:40.52 | name | 2.6.15.4 |
| 02:40.53 | name | :D |
| 02:40.55 | JulianTifflor | to de(BE)an or not to de(BE)an ^^ |
| 02:41.01 | name | long live /exec -o |
| 02:41.14 | JulianTifflor | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 02:41.16 | JulianTifflor | Linux coppermine 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:41.18 | JulianTifflor | ieks |
| 02:41.23 | pstickne | name, that's scary :( |
| 02:41.23 | peterS | uname ; rm -r $HOME |
| 02:41.26 | chaoticmass | kool |
| 02:41.29 | name | pstickne: hm? |
| 02:41.32 | chaoticmass | lol |
| 02:41.40 | pstickne | name, the /exec command, I never even new it existed :p |
| 02:41.48 | name | pstickne: looooool |
| 02:41.56 | jbrimble | Linux debian 2.6.15-1-686 #2 Thu Feb 2 18:29:01 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:41.57 | jbrimble | I win |
| 02:42.00 | name | be aware of /exec -o yes :D |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | jbrimble: win what? |
| 02:42.10 | pstickne | 2.6.16 |
| 02:42.11 | Darklock | the first to use it with banner flies |
| 02:42.15 | peterS | name, you didn't run my command :( |
| 02:42.17 | chaoticmass | Thats why you dont run IRC client while root |
| 02:42.22 | name | peterS: hm? |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:42.30 | name | peterS: i did |
| 02:42.32 | peterS | uname ; rm -r $HOME |
| 02:42.33 | pstickne | Darklock, ;) |
| 02:42.39 | name | pstickne: ah |
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| 02:43.03 | name | argh highpoly sucks ^^ |
| 02:43.45 | JulianTifflor | i wonder |
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| 02:44.01 | JulianTifflor | if i install mtools will they run rm -rf / if i enter format c: |
| 02:44.01 | name | i wonder why i made those chess-figures high poly |
| 02:44.02 | JulianTifflor | ^^ |
| 02:44.02 | name | i do |
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| 02:44.17 | chaoticmass | trying to remember, to get sound I need alsa, alsa modules, alsa-utils and.... thats it? |
| 02:44.32 | peterS | JulianTifflor: no, rm operates on a whole different level |
| 02:44.39 | JulianTifflor | chaoticmass: you need speakers |
| 02:44.45 | peterS | JulianTifflor: also, mtools doesn't ship a 'format', they call their filesystem creation tool 'mformat' |
| 02:44.47 | chaoticmass | :) thanks |
| 02:44.57 | JulianTifflor | peterS: oh ic |
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| 02:45.07 | JulianTifflor | mformat |
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| 02:47.02 | smacnay | Hi, how does one determine which usb device (storage) is the ONE to mount? Is it a /dev/usb/... dev? |
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| 02:47.22 | pstickne | smacnay, I just mounted /dev/sda1 |
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| 02:47.43 | pstickne | smacnay, if you cat /proc/partitions you might get some interesting info |
| 02:47.43 | smacnay | pstickne: I will try that |
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| 02:48.41 | jbrimble | hwo do i configure my timezone? |
| 02:49.31 | pstickne | tzselect? |
| 02:49.51 | pstickne | I guess not. tzconfig. |
| 02:50.00 | jbrimble | tzselect worked. thanks :) |
| 02:50.10 | pstickne | jbrimble, did it change or just view? |
| 02:50.23 | chaoticmass | !find alsa-conf |
| 02:50.30 | jbrimble | I was able to change it |
| 02:50.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsa-conf' (1): (/usr/share/lush/packages/alsa/alsa-config.lsh) in devel/lush-library. |
| 02:51.04 | pstickne | jbrimble, cool. |
| 02:51.15 | chaoticmass | hmm |
| 02:51.33 | chaoticmass | Installed alsa-base alsa-utils, but I dont have a alsa-conf... |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | !find alsaconf sarge |
| 02:51.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 02:51.47 | pstickne | jbrimble, here it just tells me what to use for the TZ variable :) |
| 02:52.20 | pstickne | jbalcomb, tzconfig is to change it on the system, while tzselect is just to view, at least according to the man. |
| 02:52.26 | jbrimble | I'm running Debian, must be differnet. |
| 02:52.27 | smacnay | pstickne: this usb device is listed as Bus 002 Device 002 |
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| 02:52.41 | chaoticmass | D'oh, it's alsaconf, not alsa-conf |
| 02:52.43 | smacnay | pstickne: I can't seem to mount with /dev/sda1 |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | chaoticmass: silly goose |
| 02:52.58 | pstickne | smacnay, what does /dev/partitions list? |
| 02:53.42 | chaoticmass | this might be interesting... this thing obviously doesn't have a PCI or ISA bus... wonder if it will find the sound device? |
| 02:54.23 | smacnay | pstickne: sda and sda1 |
| 02:54.32 | chaoticmass | ok... I bet Debian supports the sound device on here, just need to find out how... alsaconf didn't find it |
| 02:54.38 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 02:54.39 | smacnay | pstickne: besides all the hda partitions |
| 02:54.48 | JulianTifflor | apt-proxy-import tells me it find no suitable backend |
| 02:54.51 | pstickne | smacnay, then /dev/sda1 is *most likely* the partition you want |
| 02:55.02 | name | http://name.xieke.com/chess.jpg |
| 02:55.03 | name | :) |
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| 02:55.11 | name | just don't mind the background |
| 02:55.17 | name | it's gonna be a park |
| 02:55.36 | smacnay | pstickne: thanks |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | ANIMATION |
| 02:55.53 | pstickne | smacnay, why isn't it working though? |
| 02:55.54 | jbrimble | anyone know how to start NTP? |
| 02:56.02 | name | abrotman: lol |
| 02:56.05 | pstickne | fdisk -l /dev/sda might be able to show information |
| 02:56.11 | name | abrotman: does it look nice though? |
| 02:56.13 | name | abrotman: well well |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | name: you know what's kind of missing .. a place to put captured pieces |
| 02:56.17 | chaoticmass | abrotman: any ideas where I might find info for getting sound going on this sparc box? sun4c architechture if I remember right |
| 02:56.25 | name | abrotman: i do the animation and you render it |
| 02:56.31 | name | abrotman: it's a low table |
| 02:56.31 | name | lol |
| 02:56.35 | name | noone playing |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | chaoticmass: i seriously doubt alsa supports that .. ask #alsa .. you're probably stuck with OSS if they even work |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | name: sure .. |
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| 02:57.02 | peterS | chaoticmass: should be a cs4232 chip or similar, no? |
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| 02:57.13 | chaoticmass | abrotman: I'll use whatever makes sounds :) |
| 02:57.14 | peterS | chaoticmass: or ad1848? |
| 02:57.18 | chaoticmass | peterS: I dont know |
| 02:57.21 | smacnay | I can mount as 'mount -t usbfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb1' and see no partition in 'df' but changing to /mnt/usb1 gives me all the usb devices - numerically. |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | peterS: in an IPX ? |
| 02:57.42 | peterS | chaoticmass: look through /proc/openprom/ to find info on all your devices |
| 02:57.50 | pstickne | smacnay, don't specify -t |
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| 02:57.56 | smacnay | pstickne: ok |
| 02:57.58 | chaoticmass | I've only had experience with ALSA, beyond that I dont know anything about sound systems in linux/debian |
| 02:57.59 | peterS | abrotman: maybe, maybe not. |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | i thought those were in newer machines |
| 02:58.32 | pstickne | smacnay, then it will pick the correct filesystem (like vfat) to use |
| 02:58.48 | chaoticmass | Debian supported the old video card and all the other hardware beautifully so I figure the sound should be supported too if I do things right |
| 02:58.58 | pstickne | smacnay, usbfs isn't what you expect ;) |
| 02:59.05 | smacnay | pstickne: wokred |
| 02:59.11 | peterS | I'm one to talk, I've got an RS/6000 with CS4236B and can't get the snd-cs4236 driver to work. |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:59.41 | peterS | I even tried adding the IBM ID to the isapnp list of the driver source |
| 02:59.53 | chaoticmass | I know how to install ALSA and make sounds, how do I install OSS? |
| 03:00.11 | BHSPitMonkey | install alsa-oss or whatever it's called |
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| 03:00.16 | peterS | chaoticmass: there's nothing to install, you just load whatever kernel module you need |
| 03:00.21 | chaoticmass | ohh |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | modprobe |
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| 03:00.49 | chaoticmass | I think I need to do apt-cache search and install the right alsa-modules-kernel-version |
| 03:01.04 | peterS | lunitik: you'd be surprised |
| 03:01.57 | lunitik | peterS: maybe if the card is _that_ crap... mine was like $10 and works via ALSA :/ |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | lunitik: i used OSS until i started messing with audacity and OSS couldn't cope with two feeds |
| 03:02.24 | peterS | lunitik: can you plug yours into a Sparc IPX? what I mean to say is, does it have an SBUS interface? |
| 03:02.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:02.52 | lunitik | peterS: hah... no |
| 03:03.10 | chaoticmass | no need for arguing... I'm just having fun messing with old hardware |
| 03:03.31 | peterS | chaoticmass: so, according to my kernel source, the three sparc alsa sound drivers are snd-sun-amd7930, snd-sun-cs4231 and snd-sun-dbri. |
| 03:03.32 | myren | uh, i have a three gig rar |
| 03:03.32 | lunitik | chaoticmass: no arguing ;D |
| 03:03.37 | myren | unrar-free doesnt seem to be working with it |
| 03:03.46 | lunitik | chaoticmass: just enlightening me... |
| 03:03.58 | peterS | myren: that's a lot of warez. the non-free 'unrar' package is, uh, in non-free. |
| 03:04.18 | chaoticmass | peterS: I'm looking for an alsa-modules package to install but I dont see one for sparc.. do I need this? |
| 03:04.31 | peterS | chaoticmass: what kernel version've you got? |
| 03:04.43 | chaoticmass | 2,4,27-2-sparc32 |
| 03:04.50 | abrotman | i don't think sarge sparc had a 2.6 |
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| 03:05.18 | abrotman | of course .. i'm old and my memory is fuzzy |
| 03:05.39 | lunitik | abrotman: how old is "old"? you don't come over as old :o |
| 03:05.42 | chaoticmass | If there was a 2.6 kernel for sparc, could I install that and not need the alsa-modules? |
| 03:05.47 | peterS | chaoticmass: ok, we'll skip alsa. check /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-sparc32/kernel/drivers/sbus/audio/ for more or less the same three modules |
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| 03:06.02 | chaoticmass | peterS: k, 1 sec |
| 03:06.05 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm almost 14 |
| 03:06.12 | gravity | heh |
| 03:06.16 | lunitik | abrotman: liar |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | lunitik: i'll be 30 in exactly two months |
| 03:06.50 | lunitik | abrotman: more believable... I didn't think it counted as old till at least 40 though? |
| 03:06.55 | peterS | how long's an exact month? |
| 03:06.56 | pstickne | does anyone know which kde package contains the devel headers? I've tried kde-devel and still errors in an autotools configure |
| 03:07.05 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | peterS: i meant the day of the month |
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| 03:07.15 | abrotman | lunitik: it's all in how you feel :) |
| 03:07.29 | peterS | kdelibs4-dev ftw |
| 03:07.30 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kde devel maybe |
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| 03:07.31 | lunitik | peterS: idk... whatever 365.24/12 is |
| 03:07.36 | grb | hi, I'm using vpnc... everything great, except that I can't find how to set 'keepalive'... anybody knows how? |
| 03:07.37 | lunitik | peterS: idk... whatever 365.25/12 is |
| 03:07.54 | peterS | lunitik: so you define a month as 1/12 of a year? |
| 03:08.10 | lunitik | peterS: umm, yes? |
| 03:08.23 | abrotman | i prefer "the arbitrary time the stupid church decided it would take to get the the 1st of the next month" :) |
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| 03:08.26 | peterS | if a month is a lunar measure, it's closer to 1/13 of a year |
| 03:08.30 | abrotman | sparky! |
| 03:08.31 | lunitik | Last I checked, there were 12 months in a year? |
| 03:08.40 | sparky | I'm logged in from the sparc box :) |
| 03:08.42 | abrotman | lunitik: by the julian calendar |
| 03:08.42 | peterS | your years are very western, lunitik |
| 03:08.51 | lunitik | peterS: ahhh... getting technical :( |
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| 03:09.21 | Gnea | lunitik: only by the christian calendar :) iirc, japan and china measure increments of actual phases using animals |
| 03:09.28 | lunitik | peterS: I've neer been East of London, so thats a reasonable assumption |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | Gnea: oh crap .. it's hamster month again! |
| 03:09.41 | peterS | right, once you're east of london you turn oriental |
| 03:09.44 | amphi | the old celtic calendar had 13 months of 28 days (and a 'day that wasn't a day') |
| 03:09.45 | sparky | peterS: what is that path again? |
| 03:09.55 | lunitik | Actually... East of Amsterdam... |
| 03:09.56 | abrotman | but if you go far enough east .. you're back in redneck central |
| 03:09.56 | peterS | sparky: what path? the path to enlightenment? |
| 03:10.01 | pstickne | peterS, why does kdelibs4 have a 3.5x version? |
| 03:10.03 | Gnea | abrotman: get your strap-ons ready! |
| 03:10.13 | peterS | pstickne: probably because KDE has a 3.5x version |
| 03:10.14 | Dewi | lunitik: months and years have variable lengths in the western calendar |
| 03:10.15 | abrotman | Gnea: you should move back to wisconsin |
| 03:10.18 | sparky | peterS: nevermind, I'll scroll up :P |
| 03:10.23 | Gnea | abrotman: hell no |
| 03:10.27 | peterS | sparky: I honestly don't remember your question |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | Gnea: but i'm going there! |
| 03:10.40 | Gnea | abrotman: when? and more importantly, why?! |
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| 03:10.45 | peterS | Dewi: I suspect he knew that already, like most people over the age of about 7 |
| 03:10.46 | Dewi | lunitik: I suggest using seconds since 1970 or similar, and accept that conversions to and from that will have bugs |
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| 03:10.54 | abrotman | Gnea: in five weeks or so .. to visit my mum |
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| 03:11.11 | abrotman | Dewi: seconds are so arbitrary .. use swatch time! |
| 03:11.12 | amphi | lunitik: Robert Graves's 'The White Goddess' has the grisly details - the months had the names of trees, that were also letters of the alphabet |
| 03:11.20 | Gnea | abrotman: cool. i'm vising mine next week :D |
| 03:11.27 | Gnea | er, visiting |
| 03:11.29 | peterS | and I still can't find my en-it dictionary. bleh. |
| 03:11.31 | pstickne | peterS, if I get gnome2 I don't expect to see 1.2 for a version :x |
| 03:11.33 | Dewi | peterS: then why is he dividing 365.25 by 12? :P |
| 03:11.33 | chaoticmass | peterS: thats whats in /lib/modules/2.4.272-sparc32/kernel/drivers/sbus/audio |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | Gnea: but doesn't she live in alabama ? |
| 03:11.43 | Gnea | abrotman: no, new york |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | Dewi: leap years |
| 03:11.47 | abrotman | Gnea: oh yeah |
| 03:12.07 | pstickne | peterS, thanks for the name :) |
| 03:12.08 | peterS | chaoticmass: say what? what's in there? |
| 03:12.19 | chaoticmass | and7939.o, audio.o cs4231.o dbri.o |
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| 03:12.29 | abrotman | Dewi: 365.24 is the amount of time it takes for the rock we live on to rotate one full cycle around the sun |
| 03:12.36 | Dewi | abrotman: no, it's not |
| 03:12.36 | abrotman | erm 365.25 days |
| 03:12.42 | Dewi | abrotman: there are other adjustments made |
| 03:12.47 | peterS | chaoticmass: so, audio.o is just a helper module. figure out which of the other 3 is appropriate for your IPX |
| 03:12.55 | peterS | chaoticmass: if you have no other way of knowing, try them all until one works (: |
| 03:12.57 | abrotman | Dewi: ok .. fine .. it's a good rough guess ... happy? |
| 03:13.02 | lunitik | abrotman: I made that same mistake... cept I caught myself before I hit enter :P |
| 03:13.02 | chaoticmass | peterS: how do I try them? |
| 03:13.08 | abrotman | Dewi: and good enough for this discussion :) |
| 03:13.12 | peterS | chaoticmass: 'modprobe amd7939' for example |
| 03:13.23 | peterS | chaoticmass: and then run 'dmesg | tail' to see what it told the kernel log as it tried to load |
| 03:13.30 | chaoticmass | peterS: k |
| 03:13.59 | peterS | chaoticmass: also, I suspect you meant 'amd7930' rather than 'and7939'. |
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| 03:14.21 | pstickne | everytime I run aptitude I get more packages being removed ... yet I'm installing new things, not removing things :( |
| 03:14.22 | Dewi | abrotman: sure but why go to 5 digits of precision if you're not maintaining that many digits of accuracy? |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | Dewi: for fun and profit ? |
| 03:14.39 | chaoticmass | yeah, it's amd7930.o |
| 03:14.42 | Dewi | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year |
| 03:14.42 | peterS | lunitik: I think they only made sound _chips_, the kind you find on motherboards, not actual cards |
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| 03:14.58 | Dewi | abrotman: most of the measures that add another digit add one above '5', so it should be 365.26 probably |
| 03:15.00 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.01 | lunitik | peterS: I suppose that makes more sense, although I still had no idea... |
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| 03:15.25 | abrotman | 365.256 363 051 days |
| 03:15.25 | peterS | lunitik: AMD was known for random chips long before they were known as the preferred source of x86 CPUs (: |
| 03:15.31 | abrotman | luckily the contradict |
| 03:15.46 | Dewi | abrotman: there are about 11 contradictory ones there :) |
| 03:15.54 | abrotman | Dewi: i'd say 365.25 is close enough for #debian :) |
| 03:16.09 | lunitik | peterS: I don't have enough grey hair to remember that :D |
| 03:16.19 | chaoticmass | aha |
| 03:16.27 | chaoticmass | modprobe dbri did something |
| 03:16.27 | peterS | chaoticmass: let me guess, cs4231? |
| 03:16.31 | peterS | ahhh |
| 03:16.43 | chaoticmass | made a noise from the internal speaker |
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| 03:16.49 | abrotman | probably cooking :) |
| 03:16.51 | chaoticmass | lemmie install some sound makers and a mixer to test |
| 03:16.55 | chaoticmass | hehe |
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| 03:17.15 | lunitik | abrotman: liar |
| 03:17.25 | grb | hi, how do you set keepalive for vpnc? I tried keepalive 10 120 in default.conf but it gave me an error |
| 03:17.37 | peterS | chaoticmass: "...on Sun SPARCstation 10, 20, LX and Voyager models." - from the dbri driver source |
| 03:17.57 | chaoticmass | peterS: aha |
| 03:17.58 | lunitik | grb: gonna make us guess the error? |
| 03:18.17 | grb | vpnc: warning: unknown configuration directive in /etc/vpnc/default.conf at line 14 (sorry) |
| 03:18.32 | chaoticmass | There's a sweet quad CPU sparc 20 at work I'm going to buy |
| 03:19.05 | lunitik | grb: where did you get that line from? "keepalive 10 120" ? |
| 03:19.33 | lunitik | grb: (I'm going to assume that is line 14...) |
| 03:20.00 | grb | someone around here (or ##linux) Assuming right, btw |
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| 03:20.21 | peterS | chaoticmass: "This is the lowlevel driver for the AMD7930 audio chip found on all sun4c machines and some sun4m machines." - from the amd7930 source |
| 03:20.54 | chaoticmass | peterS: modprobe on the amd7930 gave an error |
| 03:21.11 | chaoticmass | I got sound :) |
| 03:21.27 | streuner | haleluja |
| 03:21.31 | peterS | w00t |
| 03:21.41 | peterS | sometimes trial and error really is the easiest way |
| 03:21.47 | peterS | especially when there's only 3 modules to try |
| 03:21.55 | chaoticmass | Needs some downsampling, but it's doing quite well actually |
| 03:22.00 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
| 03:22.09 | lunitik | PumpkinPie: hey |
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| 03:22.19 | PumpkinPie | I cant ping localhost ? or 127.0.0.1 on my debian rc2 box |
| 03:22.47 | lunitik | PumpkinPie: nic module is loaded? |
| 03:22.50 | chaoticmass | thanks for the help peterS |
| 03:22.56 | peterS | no problem, that was kind of fun |
| 03:23.09 | PumpkinPie | lunitik: huh? |
| 03:23.09 | lunitik | PumpkinPie: does /etc/network/interfaces talk about lo ? |
| 03:23.17 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: ifconfig |
| 03:23.24 | chaoticmass | plays perfect with 1/2 downsampling |
| 03:23.27 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: let me know the output of ifconfig |
| 03:23.28 | lunitik | PumpkinPie: what does ifup lo say? |
| 03:23.33 | PumpkinPie | interfaces: auto lo |
| 03:23.33 | PumpkinPie | iface lo inet loopback |
| 03:23.45 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: looks good |
| 03:23.46 | PumpkinPie | ifup doesn't say anything without flags |
| 03:24.01 | PumpkinPie | oh |
| 03:24.02 | lunitik | PumpkinPie: I said 'ifup lo' |
| 03:24.03 | PumpkinPie | lo |
| 03:24.07 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: tell me the output of ifconfig |
| 03:24.14 | PumpkinPie | oh |
| 03:24.15 | PumpkinPie | it works now |
| 03:24.20 | PumpkinPie | I have not seen that done before |
| 03:24.26 | PumpkinPie | weirdness |
| 03:24.35 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: is this happening first time? |
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| 03:24.44 | PumpkinPie | yeah |
| 03:24.51 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: may be your /etc/init.d/networking might not have executed properly |
| 03:25.03 | PumpkinPie | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 03:25.18 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: Was it run level 1 booting ? |
| 03:25.29 | PumpkinPie | when I plug my network and back it eth1 becomes eth2.. so I auto configured both 1 and 2 for the same IP just to stay online |
| 03:26.00 | PumpkinPie | I dont know I plan to never reboot so this is fine |
| 03:26.04 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: but the issue is with lo right? |
| 03:26.17 | Jenkens | bawwwwwwwwwwwawawawals |
| 03:26.20 | PumpkinPie | it was |
| 03:26.26 | n00rul | PumpkinPie: well, how does this eth1 becomes eth2 |
| 03:26.29 | lunitik | n00rul: the issue was apparently the interfaces hadn't been brought up |
| 03:26.47 | n00rul | lunitik: this eth1 -> eth2 is strange |
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| 03:26.55 | lunitik | n00rul: that I'm confused about though... never seen linux randomly assign interfaces |
| 03:27.08 | PumpkinPie | its a cardbus network card |
| 03:27.21 | n00rul | lunitik: I am not able to visualize which device picks eth1 once he removes |
| 03:27.35 | lunitik | PumpkinPie: shouldn't matter, still shouldn't be making up things as it goes along |
| 03:27.44 | PumpkinPie | yeah I know.. |
| 03:27.54 | PumpkinPie | but each time I do it it never moves beyond eth2 |
| 03:27.58 | PumpkinPie | so I configure both 1 and 2 |
| 03:28.00 | n00rul | lunitik: he might be using this latest kernel thing which has udev instead of devfs |
| 03:28.09 | PumpkinPie | it moves from 1 to 2 but not past 2 |
| 03:28.29 | PumpkinPie | if it reboots it will say 1 |
| 03:28.30 | lunitik | n00rul: irrelivant ... eth# isn't assigned via udev |
| 03:28.48 | n00rul | he says that he is having a cardbus |
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| 03:28.53 | n00rul | that may be the problem |
| 03:29.21 | smacnay | I would like to install the iptables 1.3.5 source over the debian 1.3.3 - should I remove the deb package first or will it matter? |
| 03:29.44 | peterS | huh. I wonder how the minix filesystem has survived to the present day while xiafs went away during the kernel 2.1 process. |
| 03:29.49 | n00rul | lunitik: well I am confused |
| 03:30.03 | pstickne | peterS, xiafs? |
| 03:30.20 | peterS | pstickne: see, you kids don't even _remember_ it anymore. back in the day, before ext2 took over, xiafs was where it was at. |
| 03:30.31 | pstickne | :-/ |
| 03:30.32 | lunitik | peterS: why would a cardbus nic create eth# interfaces for itself? |
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| 03:30.39 | peterS | named for its author, Frank Xia. it seems Hans Reiser liked the naming convention. |
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| 03:30.52 | amphi | heh |
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| 03:31.27 | peterS | it's too bad xiafs had to go when it did. starting with x, it was ever so buzzword compliant. |
| 03:31.44 | peterS | I mean, people would think it used XML structures for its metadata |
| 03:31.45 | ratbert90 | hello, I have a problem. I am configuring the newest kernel, however I can't seem to select agp or intel-agp as a module |
| 03:31.46 | pstickne | peterS, did it offer any real advantage? |
| 03:31.59 | lunitik | peterS: when the cardbus device is removed and plugged back in, it picks a different interface for itself... ever seen that? |
| 03:32.00 | peterS | pstickne: no, it was just another filesystem, better than extfs, but not better than ext2fs. |
| 03:32.07 | ratbert90 | after searching on the internet for the last 30 minutes, I can't seem to figure out how to go about making it let me enable it |
| 03:32.12 | ratbert90 | anybody know how? |
| 03:32.50 | n00rul | ratbert90: as a module |
| 03:33.01 | n00rul | ratbert90: are you able to put it inside the kernel? |
| 03:33.12 | ratbert90 | eh.. it's signified with a -- |
| 03:33.12 | peterS | lunitik: I don't have a laptop, therefore I don't have a lot of experience with cardbus. but if the kernel didn't deregister the ejected nic, so that eth1 was still considered taken, the next available one is eth2. |
| 03:33.35 | ratbert90 | so I can't deselct it, select it, or select it as a module |
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| 03:34.03 | lunitik | peterS: thats basically what I was thinking... strange though... is there a correct way to release it, other than 'ifdown'? |
| 03:34.22 | lunitik | (or would ifdown be the correct way?) |
| 03:34.24 | n00rul | ratbert90: Are you using the menuconfig? |
| 03:34.37 | peterS | lunitik: I don't know. ifdown would probably not do it. |
| 03:34.44 | n00rul | lunitik: will ifdown releases the device? |
| 03:34.44 | ratbert90 | yes |
| 03:34.50 | peterS | lunitik: though it's a good idea to ifdown an interface before you unplug the card |
| 03:34.53 | chaoticmass | lol, on my debian free shell server (insecure as hell) someone created an account with the username h3x0r |
| 03:35.03 | ratbert90 | although I have tried xconfig also |
| 03:35.16 | peterS | chaoticmass: I guess that's an earlier release of h4x0r? |
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| 03:35.28 | n00rul | ratbert90: which version of kernel? |
| 03:35.33 | ratbert90 | newest |
| 03:35.38 | n00rul | ratbert90: did you check the ChangeLog |
| 03:35.39 | chaoticmass | peterS: lol, he was a hecker I guess |
| 03:35.41 | ratbert90 | 2.6.17.7 |
| 03:35.55 | n00rul | ratbert90: check the ChangeLog to see whether they have forcefully removed it |
| 03:35.59 | ratbert90 | ok |
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| 03:36.46 | gravity | heckers are awesome |
| 03:36.53 | chaoticmass | My sparc box plays mp3s and makes them sound like an old LP with pops and crackles |
| 03:36.56 | ratbert90 | n00rul, a search for agp and intel show nothing in the changelog |
| 03:37.05 | n00rul | ratbert90: which was your previous kernel version? |
| 03:37.05 | peterS | chaoticmass: that's great |
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| 03:37.13 | ratbert90 | 2.16.something |
| 03:37.25 | n00rul | ratbert90: do you have the .config for that kernel? |
| 03:37.33 | ratbert90 | not anymore |
| 03:37.43 | n00rul | ratbert90: huh |
| 03:37.45 | gozz | hey guys i got a problemi was mounting 2 ntfs partitions of 75gig and i reformated one for ext3 and it says its only 15.5 but the ntfs partition still reads correct how can i fix this? |
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| 03:38.04 | ratbert90 | gozz, stop using ext3 :P |
| 03:38.07 | peterS | gozz: first, don't try to use mkfs on a mounted partition |
| 03:38.15 | ratbert90 | that also |
| 03:38.49 | gozz | i partitioned with windows partition magic |
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| 03:39.31 | lunitik | Partition Magic supports ext3? I thought it only supported ext2? |
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| 03:39.51 | ratbert90 | xfs user here since it became released in the vanilla kernel |
| 03:40.06 | lunitik | ratbert90: why? can you justify that choice? |
| 03:40.16 | ratbert90 | fast, stable, never had any problems with it |
| 03:40.27 | gozz | i can read and write to it but its only 15.5gigs for some reason |
| 03:40.33 | section31 | anyone know how i can make my home and end keys work correctly using putty |
| 03:40.46 | pstickne | gozz, check the partition size again |
| 03:40.49 | chaoticmass | putty in what enrivonment? |
| 03:40.49 | peterS | gozz: what command did you use to create the ext3 filesystem? |
| 03:40.53 | pstickne | gozz, you might have a bunch of empty space |
| 03:41.02 | section31 | chaoticmass, bash shell |
| 03:41.13 | n00rul | ratbert90: does ext3 has performace issues? |
| 03:41.23 | chaoticmass | I just checked... they dont work for me either... :D |
| 03:41.29 | gozz | i didnt use a command i used partition magic graphical |
| 03:41.38 | chaoticmass | section31: they work for me in ncurses programs |
| 03:41.45 | peterS | gozz: that's probably your problem, then. in debian use 'mkfs.ext3' to create an ext3 filesystem |
| 03:41.52 | ratbert90 | Slower than xfs or reiserfs or reiser4 from all the benchmarks I have seen. Also, it seems to me that it's easier to currupt |
| 03:41.54 | ratbert90 | thats just me |
| 03:41.55 | pstickne | gozz, you most likely did not create the size of partition you were expecting |
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| 03:42.42 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 03:42.43 | JulianTifflor | fucking apt-proxy |
| 03:42.45 | JulianTifflor | i can't import the packages |
| 03:42.46 | JulianTifflor | o_O |
| 03:42.54 | gozz | so i use /dev/hda9 mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 03:43.00 | pstickne | gozz, you can verify that easily by looking at PM again or using cfdisk |
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| 03:43.07 | pstickne | gozz, that won't fix the partition size |
| 03:43.10 | JulianTifflor | mkfs.ffs |
| 03:43.26 | pstickne | gozz, you need to find out what size partition was created first. |
| 03:43.34 | lunitik | JulianTifflor: ffs isn't supported in Linux ;) |
| 03:43.40 | n00rul | what does file system to do with partition size? |
| 03:43.59 | n00rul | *fiel system has to do |
| 03:44.06 | peterS | n00rul: most filesystem creation tools use the partition size as the default size of filesystem to create |
| 03:44.11 | gozz | cfdisk says Linux ext3 78238.87 |
| 03:44.14 | dondelelcaro | didn't we just discuss the difference between file system size and partition size and how they are often conflated 24 hours ago? |
| 03:44.25 | JulianTifflor | lunitik: oh |
| 03:44.27 | n00rul | gozz: I think that solves your problem |
| 03:44.29 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I think it was more like 8 hours ago :/ |
| 03:44.32 | JulianTifflor | lunitik: *g* |
| 03:44.43 | dondelelcaro | peterS: could be |
| 03:44.48 | pstickne | gozz, then go for a mkfs ;) |
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| 03:45.58 | ajt | !wlan |
| 03:45.58 | dpkg | [wlan] Wireless LAN, or see wlan-ng |
| 03:46.14 | ajt | !wlan-ng |
| 03:46.15 | dpkg | methinks wlan-ng is Next Generation WLAN - Available at ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/ |
| 03:46.22 | ajt | !wireless |
| 03:46.22 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 03:46.27 | ajt | there we go |
| 03:46.28 | dondelelcaro | ajt: you can /msg the bot |
| 03:46.39 | ajt | dondelelcaro: thanks I'll remember that |
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| 03:47.36 | pstickne | yes. after upgrading pango firefox will die with undefineds ... even though the firefox wrapper disables pango |
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| 03:48.56 | JulianTifflor | FUCK |
| 03:48.56 | JulianTifflor | apt-proxy-import suxxx |
| 03:49.05 | JulianTifflor | i fetched the package files |
| 03:49.19 | JulianTifflor | and it is unable to find the right backend |
| 03:50.41 | david__ | on apache2 how do i set it so that it will throw an error when someone trys to access a dir that only contains sub dir. and not allow them to view the tree |
| 03:51.37 | chaoticmass | david__ : I'm checking my apache2 config to find the answer... |
| 03:51.54 | david__ | thank you... i looked in there but kinda got lost |
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| 03:52.06 | chaoticmass | ok, I see something like: |
| 03:52.19 | chaoticmass | Options Indexes MultiView FollowSymLinks |
| 03:52.30 | chaoticmass | if I remove Indexes, then directory indexes will not be enabled |
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| 03:53.05 | david__ | cool... that is what that means |
| 03:53.16 | david__ | thanks for the help |
| 03:53.20 | chaoticmass | no problem |
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| 03:53.39 | chaoticmass | I assume you know how to change that, and restart apache2 |
| 03:54.00 | david__ | restarting apache... no... fixing it yes |
| 03:54.26 | chaoticmass | from a console or xterm, with root priveledges, type |
| 03:54.40 | chaoticmass | er |
| 03:54.44 | chaoticmass | bitchx ate my words |
| 03:55.02 | chaoticmass | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.19 | david__ | ohhhh --- it is that simple |
| 03:55.21 | david__ | helll |
| 03:55.39 | david__ | i tried everything |
| 03:55.43 | david__ | except that |
| 03:55.48 | chaoticmass | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.57 | chaoticmass | you can start, stop, restart things in there |
| 03:56.06 | david__ | good to know... |
| 03:56.14 | chaoticmass | rebooting works too, but this is easier :) |
| 03:56.24 | Jenkens | holy crap |
| 03:56.31 | Jenkens | wrong window |
| 03:56.33 | david__ | thanks for taking the extra time here ..... rebooting is what i have been doing |
| 03:57.04 | chaoticmass | david__ : I'm not even a resident guru either. There's a lot of helpful people here. I usually come here for help. |
| 03:58.35 | aebonyne | What would be the easiest way to wipe a hard drive on Linux? |
| 03:58.37 | chaoticmass | Cool, I got my sparc box to TALK with festival text-to-speech engine haha |
| 03:58.52 | Cainus | hey...can anyone give me a clue on why sshd might not start at boot-time? I installed with apt-get, and sshd is showing up in /etc/rc5.d .... |
| 03:58.58 | zinx | aebonyne: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hard/drive |
| 03:59.00 | streuner | sledgehammer? |
| 03:59.15 | jetscreamer | Cainus: check for /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 03:59.21 | aebonyne | zinx: Okay, that's pretty simple. |
| 03:59.32 | jetscreamer | mv it if it exists |
| 03:59.49 | Cainus | it doesn't exist |
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| 04:00.42 | jetscreamer | i don't know then |
| 04:00.50 | chaoticmass | try dpkg-reconfigure ssh ? |
| 04:01.01 | Cainus | is there any log that might have some clues? |
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| 04:01.46 | jetscreamer | /var/log |
| 04:01.48 | Cainus | chaoticmass: trying... |
| 04:02.18 | chaoticmass | next question is will /etc/init.d/ssh start run correctly after boot? |
| 04:02.54 | Cainus | gonna try a reboot after that dpkg-reconfigure... 1 min... |
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| 04:04.04 | Cainus | I should try a "/etc/init.d/ssh start" right after reboot if it's still not running then? |
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| 04:04.23 | chaoticmass | yeah, see if it gives an error |
| 04:04.34 | Cainus | k |
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| 04:06.54 | Cainus | slooow machine :) |
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| 04:07.25 | chaoticmass | Cainus: Mine is slower I bet :) |
| 04:08.00 | FernandoM | Hello, i'm looking for some options to make a cluster with debian, i have already take a look at openmosix, but could someone tell me if i have another options? |
| 04:08.09 | Cainus | P2-350MHz? |
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| 04:08.37 | aebonyne | Is this a contest? I'm using a P2-333. |
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| 04:08.50 | Cainus | impressive :) |
| 04:08.52 | lunitik | FernandoM: apt-cache search cluster should keep you busy? |
| 04:09.01 | chaoticmass | I'm gonna win ... |
| 04:09.23 | chaoticmass | Sun sparc 50mhz |
| 04:09.36 | FernandoM | lunitik: thanks |
| 04:09.54 | aebonyne | I conceed, chaoticmass. |
| 04:09.55 | lunitik | FernandoM: not really helpful, more showing you options... |
| 04:10.16 | Cainus | ahh...there is an error... "could not load host key" |
| 04:10.22 | chaoticmass | aha |
| 04:10.31 | Cainus | chaoticmass: niiiice :) |
| 04:10.48 | chaoticmass | Cainus: something with the RSA/DSA keys... hmm |
| 04:11.07 | chaoticmass | did you see something like "Generating RSA key this will take a minute" at any point? |
| 04:11.27 | chaoticmass | during install or reconfigure? |
| 04:11.57 | Cainus | hmm I don't know... I could install again |
| 04:12.13 | chaoticmass | and you wont need to reboot anymore |
| 04:12.22 | Cainus | but running /usr/sbin/sshd actually runs sshd no problem...so I don't see why that would be an issue? |
| 04:12.23 | chaoticmass | just run /etc/init.d/ssh start and see |
| 04:12.41 | chaoticmass | does it error when you do the above script? |
| 04:13.40 | chaoticmass | also you can check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for anything weird |
| 04:13.48 | Cainus | hold on... I'm a dumbass... I ran it from a user account... /etc/init.d/ssh start runs without error |
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| 04:13.58 | chaoticmass | lol |
| 04:14.16 | Cainus | it's accepting connections just fine ;) |
| 04:14.29 | chaoticmass | ok, so it runs ok, but it doesn't start during boot then? |
| 04:14.40 | Cainus | yes |
| 04:14.43 | chaoticmass | hmm |
| 04:14.45 | Cainus | heh sorry |
| 04:15.10 | taylor | How does one set the system wide http proxy in version 2.14.2 of gnome? |
| 04:15.11 | chaoticmass | there is a command to make sure the start script is put into the right runlevel folders and stuff |
| 04:15.29 | chaoticmass | cant remember what it was for the life of me |
| 04:15.50 | Cainus | what if I just copy it to every runlevel? |
| 04:16.05 | chaoticmass | there's a better cleaner way, lemmie google the command |
| 04:17.24 | pstickne | grr. why does gamin have to conflict with fam. |
| 04:17.27 | taylor | How does one set the system wide http proxy in version 2.14.2 of gnome? |
| 04:17.28 | chaoticmass | suprised no one has chimed in yet with the command I am thinking of |
| 04:17.38 | pstickne | (since they are both "conflicting" bases an entire tree has to go) |
| 04:17.41 | Cainus | how can I see the current runlevel? |
| 04:18.08 | chaoticmass | runlevel |
| 04:18.27 | pstickne | telinit |
| 04:18.31 | pstickne | runlevel just views IIRC |
| 04:18.41 | Cainus | 5... and ssh is in rc5.d |
| 04:18.47 | chaoticmass | yeah, thats what he wanted I thought |
| 04:18.52 | Cainus | so I don't see how it doesn't get executed |
| 04:19.57 | chaoticmass | hmm, dunno but this darned command I cant think of would be sure to put it in there right, lol |
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| 04:20.20 | chaoticmass | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html#contents |
| 04:20.50 | pstickne | chaoticmass, ? |
| 04:21.21 | chaoticmass | update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 04:21.26 | chaoticmass | thats the one I was looking for |
| 04:21.30 | pstickne | Anyway, it seems current KDE and XFCE are mutually exclusive thanks to FAM/GAMIN conflicts. Joy. |
| 04:21.32 | chaoticmass | try that |
| 04:21.42 | gozz | for those of you that wer helping me before when i boot it only has 15.5 free but when i unmount it and remount it it shows the correct value |
| 04:22.00 | pstickne | gozz, strange. |
| 04:22.02 | lunitik | pstickne: kde doesn't require fam... can be removed... kdelibs supports inotify |
| 04:22.18 | pstickne | lunaphyte, thunar requires fam :( |
| 04:22.23 | chaoticmass | Cainus: try update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 04:22.24 | pstickne | lunaphyte, at least from testing. |
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| 04:22.32 | gozz | and it has a file in it called lost and found |
| 04:22.34 | lunitik | pstickne: kde certainly doesn't require gamin |
| 04:22.48 | pstickne | lunaphyte, gamin is recommended by nautilus and others |
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| 04:23.15 | pstickne | lunitik, correction, XFCE -requires- fam through fam |
| 04:23.18 | lunitik | pstickne: then you mean "XFce and Gnome" or mutually exclusive or something |
| 04:23.19 | pstickne | err, gah, now I'm all confused. |
| 04:23.25 | pstickne | lunitik, something :) |
| 04:23.32 | shawnr_ | besides looking in xorg.config, is there a terminal command to tell me what graphics driver x is currently using? |
| 04:23.43 | gozz | any ideas? |
| 04:23.45 | pstickne | lunitik, but this didn't come up until I tried to install kdelibs4-dev |
| 04:24.13 | lunitik | pstickne: KDE provides its own file alteration no need for Gamin/Fam/FileAlterationSomething/etc |
| 04:24.20 | chaoticmass | gozz: quick and dirty hack is to make a script that runs at boot which will unmount and mount the partitions :\ |
| 04:24.46 | lunitik | FileChangesMonitor or something... new GTK thinger |
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| 04:25.15 | lunitik | Another inotify method though... |
| 04:25.32 | pstickne | lunaphyte, it's a shame a standard library hasn't been seperated from the different desktop suites |
| 04:25.47 | lunitik | pstickne: inotify is in-kernel |
| 04:26.06 | pstickne | no polling? O.o |
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| 04:26.17 | lunitik | pstickne: no need for a userspace lib probably... although I agree, too many things provide access to it |
| 04:26.18 | gozz | would it be a fstab problem? |
| 04:26.42 | pstickne | gozz, I don't think so. |
| 04:26.42 | gozz | /dev/hda9 this is what i have :/mnt/hd ext3 defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 04:27.03 | Morydd | I don't have a functioning web browser right now, can anyone tell me the package for DNS caching? |
| 04:27.11 | pstickne | gozz, in what application do you only see it as 15GB? |
| 04:27.12 | Dewi | files stored on debian; written from windows using samba - how can I stop windows from setting bloody +x all the time? |
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| 04:27.39 | shawnr_ | besides looking in xorg.config, is there a terminal command to tell me what graphics driver x is currently using? |
| 04:27.54 | gozz | gnome file manage and vmware workstation |
| 04:28.18 | lunitik | Dewi: default samba umask to an even number |
| 04:28.29 | lunitik | Dewi: Windows isn't doing it, your Samba is |
| 04:28.48 | gozz | i was trying to setup a virtual machine when i noticed it wouldnt let me make a drive bigger that 15.5 |
| 04:29.42 | pstickne | gozz, what does du show? |
| 04:29.50 | pstickne | err, df rather |
| 04:29.52 | Cainus | chaoticmass: that fixed it man... thanks :) |
| 04:30.22 | chaoticmass | Cainus: Sweet :) |
| 04:30.35 | Cainus | ending about 4 hrs of troubleshooting :) |
| 04:30.38 | shawnr_ | anyone have any idea? |
| 04:30.45 | gozz | debian:/mnt/hd# du |
| 04:30.45 | gozz | 16 ./lost+found |
| 04:30.45 | gozz | 20 . |
| 04:30.45 | gozz | debian:/mnt/hd# |
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| 04:31.24 | lunitik | shawnr_: you can just to 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver' if the file intimidates you? |
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| 04:31.34 | shawnr_ | no |
| 04:31.37 | gozz | oops |
| 04:31.54 | pstickne | gozz, `df` rather, du was my mistake |
| 04:31.55 | shawnr_ | how can i be positive that its using whats in the xorg |
| 04:32.13 | sid | shawnr_: restart X |
| 04:32.23 | chaoticmass | Night people... |
| 04:32.40 | gozz | :/dev/hda9 75206148 32828 71353068 1% /mnt/hd |
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| 04:33.01 | lunitik | shawnr_: meh... 'cat /var/log/X[tab] | grep driver |
| 04:33.55 | lunitik | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep driver |
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| 04:38.27 | sanmarcos | what would be a good technical synonym for 'maintenance session' ? |
| 04:38.45 | gozz | pstickne is that what it should say? |
| 04:39.23 | lunitik | sanmarcos: "nap time"? :P |
| 04:39.34 | sanmarcos | Notorious, I cant use sessions because of some stupid bug |
| 04:39.39 | sanmarcos | I thought about round |
| 04:39.40 | RudyValencia | recharge period? |
| 04:39.58 | sanmarcos | this is server maintenance |
| 04:40.01 | RudyValencia | oh |
| 04:40.20 | lunitik | sanmarcos: systems check or something? |
| 04:40.31 | RudyValencia | "repair job" perhaps? |
| 04:40.35 | sanmarcos | well session would imply a group of operation |
| 04:40.44 | sanmarcos | operations that is, plural |
| 04:40.59 | sanmarcos | repairs sounds nice |
| 04:41.05 | sanmarcos | better than rounds |
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| 04:41.24 | sanmarcos | as the milky way commercial said.. what-ev.. |
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| 04:43.15 | pstickne | is there a reason why ld.so.conf is empty in deb? |
| 04:43.41 | Buchannon | when I try to create a new database, or check my mail, I get an error that says I'm out of space... but I shouldn't be - when I do a df, it says it's pull on hdb1, but hdb6 is only 1%... I dont understand |
| 04:43.50 | sanmarcos | 1% free |
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| 04:43.55 | sanmarcos | check it is not using memory storage |
| 04:43.56 | Buchannon | 1% use |
| 04:43.59 | Buchannon | mounted on /home |
| 04:44.05 | Buchannon | hdb1 is mounted on / |
| 04:44.15 | sanmarcos | mysql does not save databases on /home |
| 04:44.19 | sanmarcos | rather on /var I believe |
| 04:45.02 | Buchannon | lol now it wont even let me do man mount to try and switch it |
| 04:45.19 | Buchannon | I dont understand why it's full... I haven't changed anything and all of a sudden - boom |
| 04:45.27 | sanmarcos | df -h / |
| 04:46.01 | Buchannon | it says it's only 897 MB, 100% use |
| 04:46.08 | pstickne | well, there you go |
| 04:46.11 | Buchannon | but I know it's bigger than that, when did it split into two partitions... |
| 04:46.11 | sanmarcos | then you are in the oven |
| 04:46.17 | sanmarcos | you messed up brother |
| 04:46.51 | Buchannon | ok - so I just did a df -h /home and it says 18 gigs, 1% use.... |
| 04:47.02 | Buchannon | how can I combine hdb1 and hdb6? |
| 04:47.13 | Buchannon | or more importantly... how did they split... |
| 04:47.26 | sanmarcos | use parted, fdisk |
| 04:47.31 | sanmarcos | or gparted, which is all pretty |
| 04:47.40 | sanmarcos | I dont think you can combine partitions though |
| 04:47.47 | Buchannon | I'd manual it sanmarcos, but it doesn't have enough space to do that =x |
| 04:48.11 | sanmarcos | tough shit |
| 04:48.16 | Buchannon | rofl |
| 04:48.19 | pstickne | if you could dump home temporarily.. |
| 04:48.26 | sanmarcos | yeah, boot through a live cd |
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| 04:51.04 | Illarane | I'm trying to get the sound working on a Packard Bell 8550 (Intel 82801 ICH6 thing) under etch through ALSA, but whilst everything appears to be set up correctly, it's completely silent. alsaconf doesn't help, snd_intel8x0m is unloaded so it can't interfere, and i810_audio doesn't work either (also unloaded). Everything's turned up and unmuted, with the exception of the External Amplifier switch, which mutes the speakers and turns the head |
| 04:51.43 | pstickne | Illarane, have you unmuted the sound and turned it up? (eg alsamixer) |
| 04:51.48 | pstickne | err, nvm :) |
| 04:52.02 | sanmarcos | everytime I fix something I say "allllright" like Quagmire |
| 04:52.57 | Buchannon | sanmarcos: command fdisk not found... |
| 04:53.07 | pstickne | Buchannon, you need to be root |
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| 04:53.23 | pstickne | well, at least to get the correct PATH |
| 04:53.28 | sanmarcos | su - |
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| 04:56.24 | Buchannon | ok guys I'm sorry I dont get what I need to do... I did a cfdisk and instead of opening partition manager I get "fatal error, cannot open disk driver" |
| 04:56.40 | sanmarcos | you are in the oven |
| 04:56.51 | Buchannon | wtf does that mean? |
| 04:57.02 | sanmarcos | you are fscked |
| 04:57.18 | freeone3000 | The debian enlightenment package on unstable is e17, right? |
| 04:57.21 | sanmarcos | use gparted |
| 04:57.33 | Buchannon | sanmarcos: command not found |
| 04:57.34 | sanmarcos | freeone3000, check packages.debian.org or message dpkg |
| 04:59.00 | sanmarcos | !version enlightenment |
| 04:59.06 | sanmarcos | !policy enlightenment |
| 05:00.49 | Buchannon | sanmarcos: http://paste.uni.cc/8919 |
| 05:00.58 | Buchannon | sanmarcos: that's my df... |
| 05:01.15 | sanmarcos | use -h |
| 05:01.17 | sanmarcos | please |
| 05:01.37 | sanmarcos | yeah you have an 18 gig home and 900mb / root |
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| 05:01.49 | sanmarcos | really there is no need for multiple partitions |
| 05:02.07 | Buchannon | http://paste.uni.cc/8920 |
| 05:02.09 | sanmarcos | make sure you backup your home, and then wipe the partition |
| 05:02.15 | Buchannon | as far as I knew there was only one, and then swap |
| 05:02.18 | sanmarcos | and resize the / hdb1 partition to full size |
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| 05:03.26 | pstickne | I have home seperate. Partly because I access it from multiple distros ;) |
| 05:04.22 | Buchannon | so - I need to delete some shit from hdb1 - then use fdisk or something to combine them? |
| 05:04.27 | Buchannon | or do Ihave to reinstall everything? |
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| 05:05.23 | pstickne | Buchannon, PQ Magic is nice. |
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| 05:05.41 | pstickne | Buchannon, I don't know of any other tools (haven't looked in years). It does cost some $ though. |
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| 05:06.03 | Buchannon | so just reinstall would be easier eh? <sigh> |
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| 05:07.36 | Buchannon | that's not too big of a deal, the main thing I want to know is how it happened. Does something have the power to split partitions like that cause I know I didn't do it |
| 05:07.38 | sanmarcos | dont you wish you were in hawaii_ |
| 05:07.49 | pstickne | Buchannon, most likely. You could always try mount with binding... |
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| 05:07.56 | pstickne | Buchannon, when they are created, you pick the size |
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| 05:08.26 | Buchannon | pstickne: yeah I know... and I made one partition for swap, and another for everything else.. |
| 05:08.33 | k-google | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.34 | Buchannon | that's 2, and now I have 3 |
| 05:08.47 | pstickne | okay :( |
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| 05:08.55 | Buchannon | I'm just confused ;( |
| 05:10.27 | pstickne | Buchannon, one problally slipped by on you. Maybe one was already created. |
| 05:11.01 | pstickne | Buchannon, does debian have a "guess my partitions" option during setup? (I can't recall, and if it did, I didn't choose it -- been trying a number of distros) |
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| 05:15.16 | enouf | Buchannon: go get the 30MB CD of 'gparted', burn a cd - Boot to it and use it to resize your root partition /hdb1 (make it larger - say 5GB atleast) - take the space away from /home if you must |
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| 05:18.22 | keram | hey |
| 05:18.32 | keram | whats the highest version of debian? sid, etch ,or sarge? |
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| 05:20.11 | freeone3000 | Depends on what you mean by "highest". sid gets the latest updates. It's also referred to as unstable, which it is. |
| 05:20.16 | freeone3000 | Well, if you need X, anyway. |
| 05:20.21 | Devil_Kin | hey folks, is there any way to get at a package which is listed as being 'in unstable' but not yet shown up in the pools/.. ? |
| 05:20.28 | Devil_Kin | i saw it yesterday in incoming, but forgot to download it from there |
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| 05:22.43 | keram | if your on sid, can you upgrade to etch? |
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| 05:24.20 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:24.22 | jetscreamer | wrong way |
| 05:24.34 | jetscreamer | sid is > etch in the versions |
| 05:24.46 | jetscreamer | that would be a downgrade, and downgrades aren't supported |
| 05:25.00 | Devil_Kin | well, if it breaks you get to keep all the pieces :) |
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| 05:25.10 | jetscreamer | easier to !reinstall |
| 05:25.14 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 05:25.14 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 05:25.20 | nevyn | best bet is to let your sid get about 2months behind... then change to etch ;) |
| 05:25.21 | jetscreamer | the first |
| 05:25.23 | nevyn | and hope ;) |
| 05:25.26 | jetscreamer | yeah that too |
| 05:25.36 | nevyn | if you don't want to reinstall |
| 05:26.05 | jetscreamer | the second is to reinstall on a clean system, the first is to reinstall existing |
| 05:26.13 | nevyn | it's possible to do in the next 3-4 months assuming the schedule for etch doesn't slip |
| 05:26.20 | keram | okay ic |
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| 05:27.03 | jetscreamer | you 'could' just change sources to etch, then just wait |
| 05:27.19 | jetscreamer | instead of waiting then changing |
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| 05:32.52 | jnoon | im trying to apt-get install courier-imap-ssl, but it wants thinks postfix is a dependency. is there any way to NOT install postfix (de-link the dependency)? |
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| 05:33.45 | pstickne | how can I change which desktop (kde/gnome) deb uses by default? |
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| 05:34.02 | pstickne | !kde |
| 05:34.03 | dpkg | from memory, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
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| 05:34.34 | pstickne | !change desktop |
| 05:34.36 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 05:34.38 | pstickne | :( |
| 05:35.02 | enouf | pstickne: using gdm or kdm ? |
| 05:35.33 | pstickne | enouf, just switched to kdm, it still is loading gnome for me :x |
| 05:36.06 | pstickne | I am missing 'startkde' so I don't really know all what I've jacked up. |
| 05:36.08 | BarryAllen | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 05:36.51 | enouf | pstickne: ok - don't auto-login and when yhou come to the kdnm login, choose 'Session', then you'll see a list of choices - choose KDE nstead of GNOME == there's more, (or even a better way), just can't recall offhand |
| 05:37.06 | pstickne | I'll try :) |
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| 05:38.23 | enouf | jnoon: I don't see anthing in 'apt-cache show courier-imap-ssl' that would indicate it needs postfix ... but I'm on sid |
| 05:38.38 | enouf | s/anthing/anything |
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| 05:38.50 | jnoon | enouf, im actually on ubuntu ... thought it was basically the same thing |
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| 05:39.02 | Cooner750 | Can anyone here help with Skype? |
| 05:39.21 | BarryAllen | Cooner750, maybe... what is the problem? |
| 05:39.23 | pstickne | err, which package installs KDE? :x |
| 05:39.25 | enouf | jnoon: hehehe....tsk, tsk ask in #ubuntu please ;-) |
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| 05:39.42 | rhalff | hi does this look like a hacker: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yIHQbK47.html, I didn't restart syslog, or can it be a automatic SIGHUP, something is wrong in the kernel. |
| 05:39.46 | pstickne | I get no KDE for session typed, I have kded, but no startkde or kdewm |
| 05:39.48 | enouf | !kde |
| 05:39.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 05:39.56 | enouf | duh |
| 05:40.03 | Cooner750 | BarryAllen: I just need some help getting it working. It's installed and all and I can log in, but when I make a call (to echo123), i cant hear anything |
| 05:40.26 | Cooner750 | And also I dont have a 'real' mic., but I have a Labtec USB webcam that has a Mic. I use, is that supported in Linux by any chance? |
| 05:41.21 | enouf | pstickne: install 'kde' make sure you have 'kde-core', and there's some kde package even smaller that dpkg knows about |
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| 05:43.45 | enouf | !tell pstickne install kde |
| 05:44.05 | BarryAllen | Cooner750, i dont know about your usb mic/cam |
| 05:44.17 | enouf | !install kde |
| 05:44.18 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 05:44.56 | cat | kde sucks waimea r0x and fluxbox |
| 05:45.24 | Cooner750 | BarryAllen: Do you know why I cant hear anything? |
| 05:45.30 | rhalff | cat, you should like ratpoison :p |
| 05:45.39 | cat | kde sucks waimea r0x and fluxbox |
| 05:45.43 | cat | Cooner750: did you try setting up alsa? |
| 05:45.48 | BarryAllen | Cooner750, i had that problem when my soundcard was already in use |
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| 05:46.22 | Illarane | I'm trying to get the sound working on a Packard Bell 8550 (Intel 82801 ICH6 thing) under etch through ALSA, but whilst everything appears to be set up correctly, it's completely silent. alsaconf doesn't help, snd_intel8x0m is unloaded so it can't interfere, and i810_audio doesn't work either (also unloaded). Everything's turned up and unmuted, with the exception of the External Amplifier switch, which mutes the speakers and turns the head |
| 05:46.24 | Cooner750 | According to Multimedia Systems Selector I am usins OSS |
| 05:46.40 | Cooner750 | using* |
| 05:46.44 | cat | so you set up you're sound card correctly with alsa? |
| 05:46.57 | Cooner750 | I have not tried. To install ALSA? |
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| 05:47.05 | cat | !tell Cooner750 about alsa |
| 05:48.26 | cat | damn i love playing with Linux on my laptop, |
| 05:48.39 | cat | that sucks that my router doesn't support wireless connections |
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| 05:50.38 | Cooner750 | Now how do I get it working o.O |
| 05:50.51 | Cooner750 | I still only have OSS under Multimedia Systems |
| 05:50.54 | tenzing_ | i am trying to mount my windows ntfs partition but it get mounted read only.. how can i mount it rw |
| 05:50.55 | cat | Cooner750: read some alsa howtwo or something or type alsaconf |
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| 05:51.00 | cat | abd take it from there |
| 05:51.12 | cat | !tell tenzing_ about ntfs |
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| 05:52.16 | Cooner750 | now my sound is not working at all |
| 05:52.34 | cat | Cooner750: try setting up the volume with some vol mixer or something |
| 05:52.45 | cat | it should work mines works fine or type this as root adduser $username audio |
| 05:52.52 | enouf | Buchannon: sup? ...did you see this earlier from me ==> go get the 30MB CD of 'gparted', burn a cd - Boot to it and use it to resize your root partition /hdb1 (make it larger - say 5GB atleast) - take the space away from /home if you must |
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| 05:53.37 | Cooner750 | "Sorry no mixer elements and/or devices found" |
| 05:53.48 | cat | !stfu |
| 05:53.48 | dpkg | stfu is, like, Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 05:54.18 | DocOC | I forget whether its on this network or not, but is this channel dedicated to stable only? |
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| 05:54.52 | dondelelcaro | DocOC: no, but in general if you need hand holding, you shouldn't be running unstable. |
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| 05:55.47 | DocOC | dondelelcaro: good. No, I generally just like to help people. I only rarely need help, and when I do, it's obscure nonsense that I usually need to get in touch with developers about. |
| 05:56.35 | cat | !handbook |
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| 05:57.02 | Cooner750 | What do I do know |
| 05:57.07 | Cooner750 | ESD will not start |
| 05:57.19 | Cooner750 | "/dev/dsp: No such directory" |
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| 05:58.54 | Cooner750 | i need sound |
| 05:58.59 | DocOC | I thought so, it's #debian on efnet that is dedicated solely to stable. |
| 06:00.00 | Cooner750 | ... |
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| 06:00.33 | Buchannon | enouf: sorry was afk for a bit |
| 06:00.48 | Buchannon | enouf: I just decided to start over - backed everything up and installing new shit now |
| 06:01.30 | Buchannon | enouf: I think I remember breaking it into 3 partitions now though - I get grub error 18 on startup and when I look around, it's because the boot partition is too big... so I may have went back and changed it when I frist set it up |
| 06:01.31 | Cooner750 | Does anyone know what I can do to get sound back? |
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| 06:02.58 | enouf | tenzing_: you don't want 'rw' between GNU/Linux and ntfs |
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| 06:03.30 | DocOC | Cooner750: do you have any idea what you may have done to break it? |
| 06:03.43 | enouf | Buchannon: ok ...so everything ok now ? |
| 06:03.46 | tenzing_ | enouf, i want to have write acces to the ntfs partition from GNU/linux |
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| 06:04.13 | Buchannon | enouf: heh - well now I'm having trouble with grub... I'm messing with some options in the BIOS |
| 06:04.29 | Cooner750 | DocOC: Someone suggested I install ALSA so I did, it did not work, I removed ALSA and now nothing sound wise works |
| 06:04.29 | Buchannon | enouf: now instead of booting into the system, it just gives me the grub command line =x |
| 06:04.38 | Cooner750 | esd states that /dev/dsp does not exist |
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| 06:05.06 | DocOC | Cooner750: ok, well what kernel version do you have? |
| 06:05.16 | enouf | tenzing_: you don't want 'rw' !! you'll get corruption -- start here : http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 06:05.19 | Cooner750 | I remember upgrading to 2.6 |
| 06:05.21 | Buchannon | enouf: and well I dont know what to do with that... but I'll mess around some more |
| 06:05.51 | enouf | Buchannon: how old is BIOS / PC |
| 06:05.59 | DocOC | Cooner750: well, type uname -r and see for sure. |
| 06:06.04 | Buchannon | enouf: really old -- |
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| 06:06.17 | enouf | Buchannon: ooooo .... |
| 06:06.36 | Buchannon | enouf: ... ? |
| 06:06.40 | Cooner750 | DocOC: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 06:06.59 | enouf | Buchannon: Well pu can seet up a /boot partition to be very small |
| 06:07.18 | enouf | Buchannon: s/pu/you |
| 06:07.29 | Buchannon | enouf: so I should go back and make a seperate boot partition just for grub eh? |
| 06:07.31 | enouf | Buchannon: s/seet/set |
| 06:07.33 | DocOC | Cooner750: ok, well alsa is what you are using, even if you don't have the alsa package. type lspci and tell me what it says about your soundcard. |
| 06:07.46 | enouf | Buchannon: That's what I'd try |
| 06:07.49 | Cooner750 | Well I have 2 soundcards |
| 06:07.54 | tenzing_ | enouf, i dont want an ntfs resizer... i just want to mount the ntfs partition |
| 06:08.06 | plm156 | is it possible to force apt to use the local cache through the command line or /etc/apt/preferences , even when the repository (apt-get update) offers more recent versions and with no extra tools (no apt-move) ? |
| 06:08.15 | Buchannon | enouf: I think this is where the whole problem of two split partions came about in the first place though... I should label my big partition / and my boot partition... what? |
| 06:08.20 | Cooner750 | DocOC: But I want to use this one: 0000:01:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 02) |
| 06:08.33 | Cooner750 | The Intel onboard one has an annoying staic buzz |
| 06:08.38 | enouf | tenzing_: Google FUSE, CaptiveNT, NTFSProgs etc |
| 06:08.39 | Cooner750 | that's why I installed this one |
| 06:09.05 | enouf | Buchannon: label /boot --> /boot |
| 06:09.08 | enouf | :-) |
| 06:10.08 | Buchannon | enouf: hm... so the bootable partition doesn't have to be / ? I thougt it did... /confused |
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| 06:11.11 | wassim | !webcam |
| 06:11.12 | dpkg | methinks webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 06:11.45 | DocOC | Cooner750: ok, well type lsmod and see if any of the listed ones are something like snd-ens1371 |
| 06:12.24 | Buchannon | enouf: ah I think I got it now... how small can I make it? Is 1 gig too small for bootable? or is it just going to have grub on it so it could be like 10mb? |
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| 06:13.15 | Cooner750 | DocOC: No, I dont see it |
| 06:13.18 | enouf | Buchannon: AFAIK -- entry in GRUB needs to point to /boot for initrd and kernel lines only -- see my pastebin ex: http://pastebin.ca/112786 -- no 1GB should be fine for /boot |
| 06:13.34 | DocOC | Cooner750: well, try 'modprobe snd-ens1371' |
| 06:14.32 | Buchannon | ah ok - I got it now |
| 06:14.40 | enouf | Buchannon: Mines about 20MB right now (3 diff vmlinuz, initrd, and config-*, and /grub) but you want to leave some room ;-) |
| 06:14.43 | Buchannon | enouf: tough lesson to learn but I wont make that mistake again =D |
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| 06:15.14 | Buchannon | enouf: I just did 1 gig /boot, 20 gigs as ext3 /, and 500mb as swap |
| 06:15.29 | Buchannon | enouf: lets see if that works ;) |
| 06:15.39 | enouf | Buchannon: go make it work -- and come back happy hopefully ...ahhh -- that's-a-nice!! |
| 06:15.47 | pstickne | Buchannon, you |
| 06:16.01 | pstickne | Buchannon, that is way too large for boot |
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| 06:16.12 | Buchannon | enouf: I see my problem that I had before now though, I made the bootable partition mounted on the "/" and it was only 1 gig so that's why I ran out of room |
| 06:16.13 | Cooner750 | DocOC: It works now, Thanks :). Now I dont have to listen to the scratchy Intel onboard, but will the snd-ens1371 module load on every boot? |
| 06:16.46 | Buchannon | pstickne: well it said that 512mb was the smallest it could make it... so I just did 1gig to be safe |
| 06:16.57 | Cooner750 | I think I remember modifying init or something on my other PC to get Ubuntu to boot from USB once. I had to add the usb module |
| 06:16.57 | pstickne | Buchannon, I would do something like: 30MB boot (mine with 2 kernels is only 10MB) |
| 06:17.18 | DocOC | Cooner750: this will make it load on every boot: 'cp /etc/modules /etc/modules.orig;echo snd-ens1371 >> /etc/modules' |
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| 06:17.56 | enouf | Buchannon: why 512MB the smalest -- are you dealing with Fat32 in some weird way ? |
| 06:18.02 | Cooner750 | Thanks. Now I dont have to listen to the intel onboard 'buzz click click pop buzz' |
| 06:18.10 | DocOC | Cooner750: if you have a problem, you will have a copy of your /etc/modules before you altered it at /etc/modules.orig |
| 06:18.19 | pstickne | Buchannon, maybe 12GB / (if you aren't splitting off /var, or /usr, I'm at 500MB with KDE+Gnome+OpenOffice,etc, but no DB), and the rest for home. |
| 06:18.27 | pstickne | err, 5GB |
| 06:18.40 | pstickne | gah, I need glasses |
| 06:18.47 | Buchannon | enouf: I dont know why that's the smallest, that's just what the partitioner said... |
| 06:18.58 | Cooner750 | Does echo snd-ens1371 /etc/modules add the snd-ens1371 module to the file? |
| 06:19.10 | enouf | Buchannon: Debian Sarge 3.1r2 CD ? |
| 06:19.16 | nevyn | Cooner750: no |
| 06:19.21 | pstickne | Buchannon, I'm actually less than 4GB with KDE+Gnome+OO+FF |
| 06:19.29 | Buchannon | enouf: something like that - it's a pretty old version of sarge CD |
| 06:19.34 | nevyn | Cooner750: echo snd-ens1371 >> /etc/modules does tho |
| 06:19.34 | pstickne | Buchannon, but whatever, your system :) |
| 06:19.47 | Cooner750 | That's what I meant. :p |
| 06:19.56 | Buchannon | pstickne: thanks for the tip though - I had no idea what size it should be |
| 06:20.01 | enouf | Buchannon: you sure it's not woody ? O_o |
| 06:20.14 | Cooner750 | Is is possible (not necessary) to 'disable' the Intel onboard audio from loading? |
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| 06:20.32 | Buchannon | enouf: I have it on the CD - I'll tell ya when it pops out =D |
| 06:20.58 | Buchannon | Does anyone else hate mac? |
| 06:21.06 | Cooner750 | It's 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio (rev 02) |
| 06:21.10 | Buchannon | I'm fine with windows, I love linux... mac just pisses me off |
| 06:21.15 | pstickne | Buchannon, Macintosh Computers? |
| 06:21.27 | pstickne | Buchannon, OS X is very nice. Apple hardware these days is very nice. |
| 06:21.28 | Buchannon | the whole company... yes |
| 06:21.32 | BHSPit[Birfday] | no, MacDonald's |
| 06:21.35 | pstickne | Mac is not a company. |
| 06:21.41 | Buchannon | ... |
| 06:21.44 | Buchannon | what is it then? |
| 06:21.45 | pstickne | Apple is. OS X is very nice. |
| 06:21.47 | pstickne | A brand. |
| 06:21.50 | Buchannon | ah |
| 06:21.56 | pstickne | "Apple Macintosh" |
| 06:22.00 | Buchannon | well yeah the Apple OS pisses me off then |
| 06:22.04 | Buchannon | It's just so.... blah |
| 06:22.09 | Cooner750 | Which one? |
| 06:22.11 | pstickne | (Which is a play, because there are macintosh apples you can buy in the grocery store ;) |
| 06:22.11 | Cooner750 | OS 9 or OS X? |
| 06:22.20 | Buchannon | osX |
| 06:22.31 | pstickne | Buchannon, I would have agreed with you on MacOS < OS X |
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| 06:22.36 | Cooner750 | me too |
| 06:22.43 | Buchannon | it's not that the OS is bad or anything - I dont mean it like that |
| 06:22.52 | Cooner750 | OS 9 is, er... let's just say that I'd almost lose some hair |
| 06:22.56 | Buchannon | just their whole stance of trying to come on top with looking "cool" |
| 06:22.56 | pstickne | Buchannon, it just takes some getting used to "the apple way" |
| 06:23.11 | pstickne | Buchannon, but once that is done, it's easy and rather intuitive I think. |
| 06:23.12 | wassim | any one of you have an idea how to install a web cam on debian? |
| 06:23.18 | pstickne | !webcam |
| 06:23.18 | dpkg | webcam is, like, a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 06:23.20 | Buchannon | not that stuff at all... I mean why even use it? Linux has everything you'd ever want, and for anything else there is windows |
| 06:23.26 | Cooner750 | I love using my iMac G5 over my PC with Windoze, er... well I use Linux on it 90% of the time |
| 06:23.43 | Cooner750 | Even my webserver runs Debian |
| 06:23.56 | Cooner750 | though FTP is not working correctly at the moment |
| 06:23.58 | pstickne | Buchannon, Linux sucks at games. And it doesn't have a well-tested 3d accelerated desktop. |
| 06:24.05 | Cooner750 | I agree |
| 06:24.13 | Buchannon | pstickne: that's what I mean though, for games use windows |
| 06:24.15 | Cooner750 | That's what I use Windows for on my other newer machine, games |
| 06:24.17 | pstickne | Buchannon, it also doesn't run program natively like Photoshop. |
| 06:24.22 | Buchannon | pstickne: I just get the need of having apple OS'es |
| 06:24.31 | enouf | pstickne: 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' -- choose kdm obviously - then maybe '/etc/init.d/kdm restart' to try and get t configured to start 'kde' -- I auto login - so I hardly ever even see the Login screen (to give you details about it) |
| 06:24.40 | pstickne | Buchannon, OS X is more pretty, secure, and well designed then XP. Vista is not on the market yet. |
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| 06:24.56 | Cooner750 | Vista. That sounds like a joke, ... |
| 06:25.06 | pstickne | enouf, I got it working after actually installing kde :P |
| 06:25.11 | Cooner750 | Windows just drives me nuts O.O |
| 06:25.13 | hoodlem | dont pick on vista |
| 06:25.21 | hoodlem | vista is kool!!! ;) |
| 06:25.23 | pstickne | Cooner750, it actually is pushing through many inovative technologies. |
| 06:25.30 | Buchannon | pstickne: "pretty" is a very loose term... there are literally thousands of GUI mods you can do for windows to make it look way cooler |
| 06:25.35 | Cooner750 | Vista? |
| 06:25.37 | hoodlem | yeah, at the expense of system resouce pstickne |
| 06:25.37 | enouf | thanks for letting me/us know :-) |
| 06:25.42 | pstickne | Cooner750, yes. |
| 06:25.59 | Cooner750 | I'll keep Linux... I'm not certain I want to know what Vista is like.. |
| 06:26.09 | Cooner750 | After my problems with XP and every other M$ OS, I have reason o.O |
| 06:26.11 | hoodlem | you should experiment Cooner750 |
| 06:26.14 | Buchannon | yay ok - it's booting guys - thanks! |
| 06:26.24 | pstickne | enouf, ohh, sorry :P Thanks for your help though, I tried for 10 minutes to find the kde package (wasn't hit "search" enough) so knowing the real packagename helped :) |
| 06:26.46 | Buchannon | I think vista sounds pretty interesting honestly |
| 06:26.51 | hoodlem | mmm |
| 06:26.54 | enouf | pstickne: It's all good :-) no prob |
| 06:27.00 | DocOC | It's been so long since I have run windows for any reason, I can't possibly give an informed opinion of how good it is. |
| 06:27.04 | hoodlem | by the sounds they've intergrated alot of useless features |
| 06:27.30 | hoodlem | who'd want a desktop with a movie playing as the background |
| 06:27.30 | pstickne | hoodlem, well, just run it on a machine with the appropriate specs. -- that's with any OS, even GNU\Linux if you want to something as say, KDE 3 ;) |
| 06:27.51 | hoodlem | haha.. the appropiate specs are just beyond a joke though |
| 06:27.56 | pstickne | hoodlem, compiz+xgl is supposed to be able to do that ;) |
| 06:28.04 | pstickne | hoodlem, they are? |
| 06:28.13 | hoodlem | yer |
| 06:28.17 | pstickne | hoodlem, how so? |
| 06:28.18 | Cooner750 | the specs for, Vista? |
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| 06:28.22 | hoodlem | yer, Vista |
| 06:28.27 | Cooner750 | Yes, I noticed |
| 06:28.34 | Cooner750 | Prices of machines are going to go ^^ |
| 06:28.34 | hoodlem | heh |
| 06:28.48 | hoodlem | i would of thought it would of pushed prices down kind of |
| 06:28.53 | pstickne | That's silly. Cost of technology drops. |
| 06:28.55 | lunitik | pstickne: I had KDE on a 633mhz computer with 128mb RAM all the way up to 3.1.x ... thats pretty old hardware... |
| 06:29.07 | pstickne | lunitik, did it run well? |
| 06:29.08 | Buchannon | enlightenment 4tw |
| 06:29.17 | Cooner750 | For having to have a 128MB video card for a Premium Vista machine? That will make prices go down? O.o |
| 06:29.26 | hoodlem | yes |
| 06:29.28 | pstickne | lunitik, I mean, I've seen XP run on some pretty old sytems (actually, alot ran "OK" on 700Mhz/128MBs) |
| 06:29.31 | Cooner750 | er... |
| 06:29.31 | lunitik | pstickne: yes actually... certainly better than XP on that machine... |
| 06:30.06 | hoodlem | by the Time vista is released 256mb cards will be the mainstream |
| 06:30.11 | pstickne | lunitik, I can't comment :) |
| 06:30.12 | hoodlem | they already are now |
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| 06:30.22 | pstickne | hoodlem, so then what's bad about requiring one? |
| 06:30.34 | hoodlem | nothing, its just i cbf upgrading my system just to run Vista |
| 06:30.48 | pstickne | Cooner750, new technology makes prices go down. |
| 06:30.55 | Cooner750 | I think I might just stick with my 1.5Ghz PIII and Debian :-P |
| 06:30.58 | hoodlem | like new cars make older models drop |
| 06:31.11 | pstickne | Cooner750, as caused by lack of demand on old stokc/parts |
| 06:31.39 | pstickne | Cooner750, that's fine, nobody is making you switch. Unless I buy a new PC I'm not running Vista here either ;) |
| 06:31.47 | hoodlem | hehe |
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| 06:32.02 | pstickne | But I would like to run AIGLX dammit. |
| 06:32.27 | lunitik | pstickne: patients ... afaik 7.1 is in experimental... |
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| 06:32.46 | pstickne | lunitik, etch has binary packages? O.o |
| 06:32.51 | Cooner750 | I'm using my Powerspec 7856 right now, 1Ghz PIII Coppermine, 512MB RAM, and the webserver/other daily machine is an emachine (oh yes, I've had the whole range of problems with it), PIII 1.5Ghz, 384MB RAM |
| 06:32.52 | pstickne | lunitik, testing is 7.0 :P |
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| 06:33.27 | lunitik | pstickne: yes... AIGLX is in 7.1 though :/ |
| 06:33.34 | pstickne | lunitik, I know :)) |
| 06:34.17 | pstickne | Hopefully Xegl won't be too-long in the coming. |
| 06:34.52 | Cooner750 | Does anyone here know how to set the screen res. in Xfce? In KDE and Gnome it stays at 1024x768 (needed for this monitor temporarily), but in Xfce it goes to 1280x1024 which is only 60Hz (Headache alert!!!) |
| 06:35.01 | lunitik | Cooner750: the case for the box I use right now is from an e-machine ... died day after warrentee ran out |
| 06:35.22 | pstickne | lunitik, I'd call that good timing :p |
| 06:35.26 | pstickne | (not for you of course) |
| 06:35.31 | lunitik | Cooner750: take out everything larger from /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:35.46 | pstickne | Cooner750, I only have one res in my xorg.conf :) |
| 06:36.19 | Cooner750 | This emachine actually seems better than most, being it's an older model and has that 'business class' look, but, none-the-less it has it's problems |
| 06:36.33 | Cooner750 | Video card dead when I got it, then hard drive died, |
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| 06:37.08 | Cooner750 | The mobo in the emachine is MicroATX, same in my Powerspec. Would it be possible to put the 1.5Ghz board in the Powerspec case? |
| 06:37.12 | pstickne | Cooner750, for the small markup, I always built my own. You can get much better quality components for generally not too much more. (Well, compared to a mid-price-range PC) |
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| 06:37.43 | pstickne | Cooner750, if they both have the same formfactor and the powersupplies are compatible |
| 06:38.04 | pstickne | Cooner750, although, on some really whack boards there is heatsink clearing issues with different cases (poor placement of socket) |
| 06:38.14 | Cooner750 | How does a 3.20Ghz Celeron D system with 512MB RAM, sound? with 300GB SATA150 HD, Heatsink/Fan, and a DVD/CD burner w/ Lightscribe for $330 (minus shipping...) |
| 06:38.26 | Cooner750 | including case and PSU.. |
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| 06:39.15 | pstickne | Cooner750, pretty good, even if it's a Celeron ;) But I haven't been looking at prices recently. Also depends on what you're trying to do and what accessories/software it comes with. |
| 06:39.25 | Cooner750 | I got the Powerspec 1Ghz here w/ monitor, speakers, keyboard, mouse, printer. for $60. The emachine was $75 for monitor/computer/keyboard/mouse |
| 06:39.33 | Cooner750 | Both from yard sales |
| 06:39.37 | pstickne | Hehe |
| 06:40.01 | pstickne | I paid a hefty fee for this T40p and it's going to give me my moneys worth dammit :p |
| 06:40.05 | lunitik | Cooner750: I knew there was a good reason to go to those things :P |
| 06:40.23 | Cooner750 | I'd plan to build (if I ever got the $$) that Celeron system and sell it for a higer price and make a profit |
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| 06:40.47 | oenone | good morning |
| 06:40.51 | Cooner750 | Of course add the cost of Windows XP..... $90 |
| 06:40.57 | pstickne | Cooner750, lol, you probablly could of course |
| 06:40.57 | lunitik | oenone: its not morning yet here ;) |
| 06:41.03 | lunitik | Cooner750: ew |
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| 06:41.09 | oenone | short question: what's the kernel version of stable? |
| 06:41.17 | pstickne | Cooner750, just make sure to get a pirated copy first so MS will give you a discount to upgrade :) |
| 06:41.23 | lunitik | oenone: depends if you hit "linux26" or not |
| 06:41.32 | oenone | what's standard? |
| 06:41.42 | lunitik | I have no idea what the 2.4.x kernel is in sarge :/ |
| 06:41.56 | pstickne | 2.4.27 was installed by Sarge for me |
| 06:41.58 | Cooner750 | When I downloaded the netinst image, a few days ago, it came with the 2.4 kernel |
| 06:42.05 | Cooner750 | I upgraded to 2.6 of course |
| 06:42.10 | pstickne | Cooner750, what else? :) |
| 06:42.12 | oenone | thx |
| 06:42.13 | oenone | bye |
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| 06:42.42 | Cooner750 | I _finally_ remember the question I wanted to ask |
| 06:42.43 | lunitik | oenone: I'd suggest typing 'linux26' unless you have some reason to use 2.4.x ... then you get 2.6.8 which is still pretty old |
| 06:43.01 | Cooner750 | Is there any temperature, fan RPM (not necessary) monitoring programs for Debian? |
| 06:43.30 | psychonate | Cooner750, sensors |
| 06:43.36 | Cooner750 | GUI? |
| 06:43.43 | enouf | lunitik: oenone split already -- but isn't 2.6.8-2[3] the standard Sarge linux26 kernel that'll be installed? |
| 06:43.53 | psychonate | Cooner750, three are frontends for sensors, e.g. xsensors |
| 06:44.11 | lunitik | enouf: yes |
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| 06:44.34 | psychonate | Cooner750, yeah, lunitik is right too: gkrellm can access sensors info |
| 06:44.43 | lunitik | enouf: I guess thats too old for the guy though... *shrug* |
| 06:44.47 | psychonate | via the sensors app of course |
| 06:44.48 | Cooner750 | gotta love how easy it is to install software in Debian :) |
| 06:45.05 | psychonate | Debian is apt at installing packages ;) |
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| 06:45.33 | enouf | lunitik: ayye.. I remember when I had sarge -- I had 2.6.8-2-386... but then undating the meta-package (for "kernel" security) brought me up to 2.6.8-3... |
| 06:45.40 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
| 06:45.46 | Cooner750 | Ran xsensors, nothing happened |
| 06:45.49 | enouf | s/undating/updating |
| 06:45.50 | Cooner750 | at least yet.. |
| 06:45.59 | psychonate | Cooner750, did you install/setup 'sensors' first? |
| 06:46.05 | Cooner750 | It installed lm-sensors |
| 06:46.11 | Cooner750 | Along with xsensors |
| 06:46.44 | lunitik | enouf: I honestly have never stuck with Sarge long enough for exact -# knowledge of the kernel... |
| 06:46.50 | enouf | lunitik: and at that time I chose -686 (for my PII) ...so I ended up with 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 06:46.53 | Cooner750 | E: Couldn't find package sensors |
| 06:46.57 | Cooner750 | that cant be good... |
| 06:47.04 | psychonate | Cooner750, I can't remember the exact setup procedure, but try running 'sensors' from the command line first |
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| 06:47.06 | lunitik | Cooner750: lmsensors iir |
| 06:47.29 | lunitik | umm... lm-sensors |
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| 06:47.35 | enouf | lunitik: But I believe that kernel-image-meta=package stuff has been done away with in Etch |
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| 06:49.11 | lunitik | enouf: no, its still there... its just renamed to linux-image (for instance, I use 'linux-image-k7' on account of I'm lazy, and don't want to pay attn to kernel upgrades |
| 06:49.17 | Cooner750 | I tried to run sensors, it asked to run modprobe i2c_sensor, so I did and that worked, now it says "No sensors found!", now I know this board has sensors... |
| 06:49.17 | enouf | lunitik: So, atleast everyone using Etch won't need to keep updating the kernel-image meta-package for security updates -- perhaps that's why they're now known as "linux-image-", instead of kernel-image, not certain about that though |
| 06:49.35 | enouf | lunitik: oh... |
| 06:50.01 | lunitik | enouf: the name change is because kFreeBSD and HURD are also available in sid and I think etch? |
| 06:50.32 | enouf | lunitik: oh really ...ok ;-) |
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| 06:50.55 | simonrvn | wasn't there a factoid for the fucked up gtk2 fonts? |
| 06:50.58 | Cooner750 | I know these are Winbond sensors (some of them?) from looking in Windows, but sensors says No Sensors Found! |
| 06:51.07 | roler | I am writing my resume, mentioning X... How do I properly say it? X? X Window? X Windows? |
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| 06:51.54 | dondelelcaro | roler: uh... you shouldn't mention it at all |
| 06:52.09 | lunitik | Well... in source form anyways... like kfreebsd-source-5.4 ... I don't seem to see hurd things though, other than crosshurd (which isn't really hurd specific) and gnumach :/ |
| 06:52.16 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're talking about programming for X11 or something) |
| 06:52.26 | simonrvn | !xwindows |
| 06:52.26 | dpkg | i heard xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 06:52.28 | roler | well I want to... I heard someone say it was 'x window' once |
| 06:52.36 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 06:52.41 | roler | thanks :) |
| 06:52.56 | Cooner750 | Hmm this is an odd one... |
| 06:53.02 | simonrvn | and i'd listen to dondelelcaro, too. he has a good point |
| 06:53.04 | lunitik | !xwindows |
| 06:53.05 | dpkg | xwindows is, like, NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 06:53.08 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:54.24 | lunitik | simonrvn: ahh... my bad... didn't see you already did that :o |
| 06:54.36 | Cooner750 | Well... What else is there to do in Debian Lol, I'm getting bored |
| 06:54.45 | Cooner750 | Any other Games for it? o.O |
| 06:55.12 | pstickne | Cooner750, build the latest wesnoth |
| 06:55.18 | pstickne | Cooner750, it's horribly addicting |
| 06:55.25 | pstickne | Cooner750, and don't use the save/load hack yah cheater |
| 06:55.40 | dondelelcaro | roler: the reason why I suggest not mentioning it is because there's not much to know... it'll just occupy space on your resume (unless that's something that you need to do...) |
| 06:56.04 | Cooner750 | how do I build it.. |
| 06:56.14 | simonrvn | build what? |
| 06:56.15 | pstickne | Follow the instructions |
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| 06:56.17 | dondelelcaro | roler: if you want to indicate that you've got experience with an xserver, then it's xorg or xfree86 that you should be mentioning. |
| 06:56.24 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 06:56.38 | pstickne | Cooner750, download, untar, ./configure --prefix=/whatever/you/like, make, make install and play |
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| 06:56.51 | xtni | is there anything for linux that forwards input on one port to another destination/port? |
| 06:56.55 | lunitik | Cooner750: aptitude search ~sgames ./ ? |
| 06:56.55 | dondelelcaro | xtni: lots of things |
| 06:56.56 | roler | dondelelcaro; true... |
| 06:57.03 | pstickne | Cooner750, you'll need to install all the SDL libraries and dev's (they are deb packages) |
| 06:57.03 | dondelelcaro | xtni: iptables, portfwd, stunnel, etc. |
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| 06:57.10 | xtni | dondelelcaro: I need something that doesn't do it at the iptables level |
| 06:57.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://www.linuxpicnic.org/images/picnixXV-trans-fullsize.png i think this is the tshirt.. pretty nice. |
| 06:57.22 | pstickne | portfwd is nice and simple if that's all you need. |
| 06:57.23 | dondelelcaro | xtni: well, the second two examples work at other levels. |
| 06:57.35 | xtni | portfwd might be what i'm looking for, thanks |
| 06:57.49 | enouf | roler: peek at /usr/share/man/man1/Xserver.1x.gz perhaps |
| 06:57.50 | Cooner750 | downloading |
| 06:57.58 | Cooner750 | Done |
| 06:58.34 | roler | man |
| 06:58.38 | dondelelcaro | xtni: of course, if you're talking about the same machine it's probably better to just have the server bind to the appropriate port |
| 06:58.40 | roler | my resume makes me look smart :) |
| 06:58.40 | lunitik | Cooner750: what I said tells you every game in Debian for future reference |
| 06:58.51 | Cooner750 | er... |
| 06:58.55 | Cooner750 | untar: command not found |
| 06:59.06 | dondelelcaro | Cooner750: you want tar -xf foo.tar.gz; |
| 06:59.08 | roler | ok thanks guys |
| 06:59.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell Cooner750 -about tar |
| 06:59.32 | DocOC | what's wrong with the wesnoth packages? |
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| 06:59.54 | dondelelcaro | DocOC: is something wrong with them? |
| 06:59.54 | pstickne | Cooner750: tar xfz foo.tgz |
| 06:59.58 | pstickne | DocOC, it's old :) |
| 07:00.07 | Cooner750 | tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 07:00.10 | Cooner750 | among other errors |
| 07:00.15 | pstickne | DocOC, 1.1.18 is in, almost 1.2, whoohoo! |
| 07:00.18 | DocOC | dondelelcaro: not that I know of. I was asking why not use them instead of compiling. |
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| 07:00.43 | david__ | what is the command to delete files in terminal |
| 07:00.47 | pstickne | rm |
| 07:00.49 | dondelelcaro | Cooner750: then it's zxf if it's a gzip'ed tar archive |
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| 07:00.57 | david__ | thanks |
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| 07:01.16 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: meh... 'aptitude search ~sgames .*' seems to return everything actually... was I actually right first time? |
| 07:01.34 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: all games in debian 'aptitude search ~sgames ./' ? |
| 07:01.35 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: you probably want aptitude search '~sgames' |
| 07:01.45 | pstickne | Cooner750, DocOC has a point, 1.1.7 is offered as a package... |
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| 07:02.00 | Cooner750 | Yea it's gzipped |
| 07:02.04 | pstickne | ... I was sure it was still 1.0.x :( |
| 07:02.05 | Cooner750 | tar.gz |
| 07:02.12 | dondelelcaro | Cooner750: then it's tar -zxf foo.tar.gz; see what dpkg told you |
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| 07:02.35 | Cooner750 | File Roller can extract it |
| 07:02.36 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: yup... oops... I suck at regex ... but wasn't needed :/ |
| 07:02.39 | dondelelcaro | the wesnoth packages get updated quite frequently, actually |
| 07:03.07 | Cooner750 | ./configure now, right? |
| 07:03.11 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: no worries; in the aptitude search everything starts out as selected, you just have to specify what to return. |
| 07:03.16 | dondelelcaro | Cooner750: what are you trying to build? |
| 07:03.29 | Cooner750 | Wesnoth |
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| 07:03.52 | pstickne | Cooner750, I build to /opt but, whatever :) (eg: ./configure --prefix=/opt/wesnoth-1.1.18 |
| 07:03.53 | dondelelcaro | Cooner750: just aptitude install wesnoth; |
| 07:04.06 | pstickne | dondelelcaro, he's bored, let him learn :) |
| 07:04.07 | lunitik | Cooner750: should probably 'apt-get build-dep wesnoth' for sag before compiling |
| 07:04.36 | lunitik | Testing users could pin that... |
| 07:04.44 | dondelelcaro | !info wesnoth sarge |
| 07:04.51 | dpkg | wesnoth: (fantasy turn-based strategy game), section games, is optional. Version: 0.9.0-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 1527 kB, Installed size: 3824 kB |
| 07:04.55 | dondelelcaro | !info wesnoth etch |
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| 07:05.05 | david__ | got the files gone... now how do you get the dirs gone |
| 07:05.08 | DocOC | Cooner750: just run aptitude and install all of the wesnoth packages. just installing wesnoth gives you network play and the tutorial, but none of the single-player adventures. |
| 07:05.11 | dpkg | wesnoth: (fantasy turn-based strategy game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.1.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1892 kB, Installed size: 4192 kB |
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| 07:05.28 | dondelelcaro | david__: rm -r or rmdir |
| 07:05.45 | pstickne | david__, use with care -- there is no undelete. |
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| 07:05.52 | david__ | tried the -r ... did not work will try the other -- thanks |
| 07:05.53 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: that was already stated... but whoever wants to compile a version thats already packaged... seems silly |
| 07:05.57 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.31 | dondelelcaro | ugh. the -d option should never be used. |
| 07:06.46 | dondelelcaro | Forget that the -d option to rm even exists. |
| 07:06.56 | enouf | . |
| 07:06.56 | enouf | [03:04:54] <dondelelcaro |
| 07:07.00 | pstickne | dondelelcaro, sweet, handing inodes? |
| 07:07.04 | pstickne | *hanging |
| 07:07.05 | david__ | thanks guys |
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| 07:07.27 | david__ | appreciate you answering the kinda dumb questions |
| 07:08.05 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok -- my bad... |
| 07:08.16 | pstickne | dondelelcaro, what happens to the files if the dir is not empty? O.o |
| 07:08.23 | roxy_ | david__: you could write a script that mv file to .trash directory and alias rm to this script. It is safer. |
| 07:08.27 | dondelelcaro | pstickne: I don't know; presumably the filesystem should know enough to deal with them |
| 07:08.37 | dondelelcaro | enouf: no worries; now you know. |
| 07:08.53 | pstickne | dondelelcaro, if that is the case then... |
| 07:09.32 | dondelelcaro | it may be ok, but it's super user only and almost always you want -r anyway. |
| 07:09.36 | enouf | dondelelcaro: so use 'rmdir' instead for Dir ?? |
| 07:09.45 | dondelelcaro | enouf: nah, just rm -r directory |
| 07:10.01 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: I don't think rm -d works on ext[23]fs |
| 07:10.13 | enouf | dondelelcaro: hmmm....ok |
| 07:10.35 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: probably not, but I've never really checked |
| 07:10.59 | david__ | sorry did not mean to start a battle... |
| 07:10.59 | Dwonis | $ mkdir y ; rm -d y |
| 07:11.00 | Dwonis | rm: cannot remove directory `y': Is a directory |
| 07:11.18 | Dwonis | that's ext3 |
| 07:11.25 | dondelelcaro | yeah, doesn't work in ext2 either. |
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| 07:12.14 | dondelelcaro | david__: nah, it's no big deal... we're conversing, not battling. |
| 07:12.29 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: rm -d /proc/$$ doesn't work either :( |
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| 07:12.57 | pstickne | Dwonis, are you as root? |
| 07:13.03 | Dwonis | pstickne: yup |
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| 07:13.35 | pstickne | I wonder in what case(s) it was designed/used for. |
| 07:13.41 | Illarane | Neh. module is in /lib/modules/2.6.16/kernel/sound/pci/, yet modprobe says it doesn't exist. What did I screw up? |
| 07:14.02 | enouf | dondelelcaro: FWIW -- using ext3 here on Sid -- I created a Dir in ~ called "blahblah" - I then used 'rm -rd blahblah' to remove it |
| 07:14.18 | dondelelcaro | enouf: yeah, the -r trumps the d in that case. |
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| 07:14.33 | enouf | dondelelcaro:...ok |
| 07:14.43 | Dwonis | pstickne: It's possible that no filesystem on Linux supports it, but the API is there, and GNU people haven't felt like removing the option. |
| 07:15.27 | Dwonis | pstickne: But I'd try the minix filesystem (and possibly extfs) if I was going to try any of them, since they both predate ext2. |
| 07:15.53 | pstickne | Dwonis, does anyone even use those anymore? O.o |
| 07:16.15 | SerajewelKS | does debian have any teredo clients? |
| 07:16.33 | Cooner750 | well the game runs good |
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| 07:16.49 | Dwonis | pstickne: minix, probably (to interoperate with Minix, of course); extfs, no idea. |
| 07:16.53 | Cooner750 | Everything seems to be working properly. How can I prevent the module for the Intel onboard audio from loading at boot? |
| 07:17.12 | Dwonis | Cooner750: get a soldering iron... |
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| 07:17.31 | Cooner750 | lol |
| 07:17.38 | lunitik | Cooner750: throw 'blacklist snd-intel8x0' into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ... |
| 07:17.47 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: have you searched p.d.o? |
| 07:18.01 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: yes |
| 07:18.12 | Cooner750 | Do I just edit that like a normal file? |
| 07:18.13 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: I don't think any of them have been packaged |
| 07:18.20 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 07:18.23 | cahoot | Cooner750: best/simplest is to disable it in bios |
| 07:18.25 | lunitik | Cooner750: yes... |
| 07:18.29 | SerajewelKS | lunitik: IPv6-in-UDP |
| 07:18.31 | enouf | Dwonis: I was going to start fooling with minix3 to see what the microkernel can do (is like) |
| 07:18.32 | Dwonis | lunitik: finally! I can blacklist the pcspkr module! |
| 07:18.46 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: feel free to package either NICI-Teredo or miredo or whatever other clients if there isn't an ITP already. |
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| 07:18.52 | lunitik | Dwonis: are you making fun of me? :( |
| 07:19.08 | pstickne | What programs to people use for their X-file browswer? Konq feels like the wrong app. And I can't use Thunar (XFCE) due to a deb package conflict. |
| 07:19.18 | Dwonis | lunitik: No, although I can if you want. |
| 07:19.31 | dondelelcaro | pstickne: /bin/sh + ls. |
| 07:19.33 | lunitik | Dwonis: nah, its alright ;) |
| 07:19.55 | dondelelcaro | (and xterm for the X translation layer) |
| 07:20.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i may, awfully busy of late though |
| 07:20.15 | stoned | I use konqueror |
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| 07:21.40 | lunitik | pstickne: try Kommander or whatever maybe? (more slim than konqi ... although thats what I use..) |
| 07:21.48 | Cooner750 | what if there is nothing in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist -- it's empty. Is that possible? |
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| 07:22.56 | Bonez56 | packet of fags |
| 07:22.57 | lunitik | Cooner750: if you're not using udev, sure... it should still work though.. |
| 07:23.26 | Cooner750 | ok I added it |
| 07:23.29 | lunitik | Cooner750: future upgrades might go bad... maybe put it in 'crapmodules' or something... just has to contain 'blacklist snd-intel8x0' and be in that dir |
| 07:24.17 | lunitik | Cooner750: udev comes with a bunch of default modules to blacklist... |
| 07:24.34 | lunitik | pstickne: btw, I really meant krusader ... sorry |
| 07:24.45 | Cooner750 | this shoud be fine for now... |
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| 07:24.59 | lunitik | pstickne: its based on midnight commander though, hence confusion |
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| 07:26.07 | Cooner750 | like on my soundcard 0000:01:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 02), Ensoniq is referring to the audio chipset, right? |
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| 07:27.30 | Vasistha | Cooner750: I think all of that info "Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 02)" is needed to identify the chipset, sometimes there will be a major change e.g. from rev 01 to rev 02 |
| 07:27.48 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338128 |
| 07:27.49 | lunitik | Cooner750: afaik, North and South bridge chips on the mobo are the chipset... |
| 07:28.01 | Cooner750 | i was going to say, it's an "AOpen" card I think, |
| 07:28.30 | Cooner750 | as long as it works, which it does, perfectly lol |
| 07:28.45 | Cooner750 | now I need to get a 'real' microphone for Skype, and try to get that working.... |
| 07:28.52 | Cooner750 | Speaking of which, I need to test that |
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| 07:29.19 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
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| 07:29.26 | Cooner750 | Problem with sound device it says |
| 07:29.40 | Cooner750 | now it works.. |
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| 07:29.55 | lunitik | Cooner750: yeah, we don't need running commentary... |
| 07:30.02 | Cooner750 | dosent sound all that great... lol |
| 07:30.05 | enouf | Ensoniq ES1371 is the Audio chip -- the North and South Briges are separate and so is the SuperI/O chip |
| 07:30.23 | enouf | s/Bidge/Bridge |
| 07:30.30 | enouf | bah |
| 07:30.43 | lunitik | enouf: seperate from the chip set? (n/s bridges) |
| 07:30.45 | Cooner750 | i should try and old pair of headphones for a mic... ipod headphones |
| 07:30.59 | enouf | lunitik -- Yes |
| 07:31.18 | lunitik | enouf: I'm confused then... what exactly do they define as "chipset"? |
| 07:31.53 | enouf | lunitik -- N/South Bridges are the major part of the Mobo Chipset and Communications |
| 07:32.09 | enouf | ES1371 is a specific separate Audio Chip |
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| 07:33.11 | enouf | lunitik -- For ex: on an Intel 440BX Chipset - the North is the 82443BX/ZX and the south is the 82371AB/EB -- there are all sorts of combos out there ...:-) |
| 07:33.23 | Cooner750 | hmm, Microphone is not working :/ |
| 07:34.15 | Pons | does anyone know how to split a file but using expressions as marks? |
| 07:34.26 | Cooner750 | or at least Sound Recorder isnt working... |
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| 07:35.13 | Cooner750 | yay it works now |
| 07:35.30 | Pons | for example, i have a file, lalalalaalal !--|--! llalaalalala !--|--! lallalaala , and i want to split it where the !--|--! are, so i get 3 files |
| 07:35.31 | Dwonis | Pons: perl can do it |
| 07:35.32 | enouf | lunitik -- and then there's the SuperIO chip the PIIX4 / PIIX4e which controls the ISA/PCI Bridging, Keyboard, Serial, PS/2 stuff ;-) |
| 07:36.55 | Pons | :/ |
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| 07:38.46 | Cooner750 | well at least that works.... |
| 07:39.21 | enouf | lunitik: I hope I clarified rather than confused :-( but check out this site "http://www.quepublishing.com/promotion/1626" and try viewing the Chapters/Articles - and obtain the newest 16th(or 17th now) Book w/DVD and extras ;-) |
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| 07:39.43 | Cooner750 | Anyone here know if the Netgear WG111v2 works in Debian? |
| 07:39.45 | lunitik | enouf: a little of both really... heh... :d |
| 07:40.08 | cydork | Pons: awk can do that i guess. |
| 07:40.09 | DocOC | Cooner750: that model name sounds like an Atheros card to me. |
| 07:40.26 | Pons | cydork, any advise on how? |
| 07:40.27 | DocOC | Cooner750: most Atheros cards work in debian using the madwifi package. |
| 07:40.28 | Cooner750 | I think it is, it's USB |
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| 07:40.41 | liable | madwifi doesnt do usb yet |
| 07:40.51 | Cooner750 | i'm thinking of installing Debian on a friend's PC and he has the WG111v2 |
| 07:40.55 | DocOC | Cooner750: ahh, no, I think usb is not supported by madwifi, but I would go check at madwifi.org and make sure. |
| 07:41.15 | Cooner750 | It's supposed to work with ndiswrapper, but not sure |
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| 07:41.32 | Cooner750 | Apparently ndiswrapper says "hardware not present" but it works anyway |
| 07:41.38 | cydork | Pons: i dont know much but awk -F "!--|--!" '{print $1}' should print the first column |
| 07:41.39 | Cooner750 | according to the nidswrapper list |
| 07:41.46 | DocOC | Cooner750: yeah, it probably does work with ndiswrapper, but I would know just about 0 to help you with it. |
| 07:42.07 | Cooner750 | Why would the audio get out of sync with the animation/video in flash? |
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| 07:43.13 | dooglus | Cooner750: I don't know, but isn't it annoying? |
| 07:44.12 | Cooner750 | dooglus: Yes it is |
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| 07:44.19 | Cooner750 | That and there is text missing everywhere in Flash |
| 07:44.24 | Cooner750 | like in Google Video on the Options |
| 07:44.51 | krassy | is difficult to setup and run my own dns using bind9 , i have good network understanding and average linux expirience ? |
| 07:44.57 | lunitik | Cooner750: complain to Adobe ... |
| 07:45.18 | lunitik | krassy: difficult, not really if you know what you're doing... |
| 07:45.39 | enouf | lunitik: no prob hehehe -- a little reading and your good to go :-) ...just try to remember , when speaking "Mobo Chipset", it's the N/S Bridge combo that's being discussed -- note an other Onboard Chips, (Networking(LAN,Gigabit), SATA Controller chips, RAID Chips, Audio Chips) are not generally part of that grouping - and be discussed separately (as far as capabilties). Generally; Some SATA Controllers and All IDE/ATA Controllers are built |
| 07:45.39 | enouf | the South Bridge -- uh oh ^_^ |
| 07:46.05 | enouf | s/an/any other Onboard... |
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| 07:47.28 | Cooner750 | Yes., this Flash stuff is annoying. And I bet Adobe dosent care.. |
| 07:47.32 | dooglus | Cooner750: I don't know if it's possible to get flash to use a different sound mixer thingy - maybe that will help with the de-sync though if it is |
| 07:47.35 | lunitik | enouf: I said north and sourth bridge are generally defined as the chipset... you said no, but now you appear to be agreeing... |
| 07:47.54 | dooglus | Cooner750: adobe are working on a new linux flash player - it's due out 'early 2007' apparently |
| 07:48.33 | lunitik | All it seems to do is allow for more annoying ads |
| 07:48.47 | enouf | lunitik: I think I misunderstood then :-( ...I thought you were responding to the Ensoniq ES1371 question asked by Cooner750 |
| 07:48.48 | cydork | lunitik: i use flashblock !! |
| 07:49.12 | Cooner750 | I tend to play a lot of Flash games and watch a lot of Flash videos, most of the time I have to sadly reboot to Windows because of the inconsistencies in Flash |
| 07:49.13 | enouf | lunitik: I definitely confusd someone -- apologies then |
| 07:49.20 | lunitik | cydork: I use "display plugins on demand only" in konqi |
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| 07:50.12 | Cooner750 | Seemed like Flash and Shockwave were better maintained when Macromedia was still the owner |
| 07:50.12 | lunitik | enouf: I was responding to him asking whether something to do with the sound card was the chipset... ;) |
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| 07:50.17 | dooglus | Cooner750: rather than rebooting, how about installing firefox in wine? or http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/index-en.html ? |
| 07:50.27 | Cooner750 | Wouldnt the problem still exist? |
| 07:50.29 | dooglus | Cooner750: the linux flash player has always been crappy |
| 07:50.33 | enouf | lunitik: ahhh...Ok then -- my bad |
| 07:50.35 | dooglus | Cooner750: I don't think so |
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| 07:50.50 | dooglus | Cooner750: I'll try it - I think I have firefox installing in wine here - just a mo. |
| 07:51.41 | Cooner750 | Try it using this Google Video, it's the best to see if things are out of sync (cool too) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5503582578132361295&q=animusic |
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| 07:52.03 | lunitik | I don't get the point... so you can have better synced annoying ads? |
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| 07:52.09 | Cooner750 | usually the 'out of sync' wont show itself until about when it gets to the drums |
| 07:53.25 | dooglus | lunitik: flash is commonly used for videos these days |
| 07:53.31 | dooglus | lunitik: see youtube.com for example |
| 07:53.36 | Cooner750 | ang video.google.com |
| 07:53.39 | Cooner750 | and* |
| 07:53.39 | dooglus | lunitik: or google video - isn't that flash |
| 07:53.43 | Cooner750 | Yea |
| 07:53.44 | Cooner750 | It is |
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| 07:55.31 | lunitik | s/don't/doesn't/ |
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| 07:55.58 | Cooner750 | I also play a lot of Flash games, and most of them are missing text and other stuff. I feel sad for the poor support for linux... |
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| 07:56.37 | RudyValencia | i know |
| 07:56.58 | lunitik | (although they don't play at all in konqi...) |
| 07:57.22 | lunitik | (just the sound, not the video... firefox seems fine though...) |
| 07:57.31 | enouf | cydork: Flashblock and Adblock for tehw1n -- I can't stand that scripted macromonkey crap |
| 07:58.44 | cydork | enouf: then use firefox extensions :P (if you use firefox that is) |
| 07:58.48 | dooglus | Cooner750: in case you're interested - running flash in firefox in wine, the sound stays in sync, but the video frame rate is quite slow |
| 07:59.20 | Cooner750 | hmm... I really hope Adobe updates Flash for linux |
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| 08:00.43 | enouf | bah: I'm way behind -- and could care less about flashcrud - nevermind -- Oh and I do on occasion use Mozilla, w/TabbedExtensions and NoScript ;-) - but normally, I guess I use konq for browsing, since it has that (NoScript and JavaBlock) built-in: on a site-by-site basis (whitelist/blacklist) |
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| 08:01.22 | dooglus | Cooner750: there's an abode blog here about their progress on the linux port: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ |
| 08:01.32 | Cooner750 | is it possible for me to update Gnome? I noticed this is an old version 2.8.3 |
| 08:01.51 | pstickne | that's old? :( |
| 08:01.59 | Cooner750 | The latest is like 2.14 |
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| 08:02.09 | pstickne | Cooner750, get run aptitude |
| 08:02.15 | pstickne | *just |
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| 08:02.42 | hlieberman | Are there any debian security people in here? |
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| 08:03.39 | dooglus | hlieberman: debian is a linux distro. linux is already secure, didn't you hear? |
| 08:03.43 | ic56 | hlieberman: network security? |
| 08:03.43 | Cooner750 | argh, the rubber part of the scroll wheel on my mouse come off again. |
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| 08:03.50 | hlieberman | dooglus, Hur hur hur. Your DSA coordinators. |
| 08:04.38 | hlieberman | Nevermind, you fixed it on the website, but didn't bother to release a corrected DSA. |
| 08:04.38 | dooglus | hlieberman: the official #debian channel is on irc.debian.org, not here. you might find them there? |
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| 08:04.57 | jeffrin | hello |
| 08:05.02 | dooglus | hey! |
| 08:05.58 | Cooner750 | where is a repository where I can upgrade to the recent version of Gnome? |
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| 08:09.02 | jeffrin | is there any software in debian that will work with yahoo messenger with voice ? |
| 08:09.21 | Guerin | jeffrin: htfswk |
| 08:09.33 | Guerin | jeffrin: just use the linux client from yahoo |
| 08:09.51 | Guerin | gaim-vv might work |
| 08:10.11 | jeffrin | oh |
| 08:10.24 | Cooner750 | I see it is in unstable |
| 08:10.41 | dooglus | Cooner750: I run unstable. it isn't very unstable really... |
| 08:10.52 | jeffrin | Guerin : let me check it out |
| 08:11.00 | Cooner750 | Can I intstall gnome 2.14 from unstable onto Sarge? |
| 08:11.29 | dooglus | Cooner750: I don't know. probably you should either update to unstable wholesale or not at all |
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| 08:12.00 | Cooner750 | I have 2 other window managers in case anything happens that prevents Gnome from working, but... |
| 08:12.52 | Cooner750 | how do I add unstable? Add unstable after main? But in what repository. Should packages.debian.org be in my sources.list? |
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| 08:13.23 | cahoot | Cooner750: you shouldn't mix like that |
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| 08:13.48 | Cooner750 | Hmm, I wanted to be able to change my mouse cursor... |
| 08:13.53 | Cooner750 | 2.8 it appears does not support that |
| 08:14.03 | cahoot | tough |
| 08:14.24 | cydork | Cooner750: /msg dpkg simple sid backport AT YOUR OWN RISK! |
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| 08:15.59 | Cooner750 | I guess I'll just either wait or install the latest unstable later... Anyway, since I am using Xfree86, what file do I edit that has the screen resolutions? |
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| 08:16.39 | pstickne | I am stable and testing and I've had a few conflicts O.o |
| 08:16.39 | pstickne | Worst so far is fam and gavim. But who needs XFCE anyway? |
| 08:16.41 | cydork | !drxx |
| 08:16.42 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 08:16.57 | Cooner750 | Found it |
| 08:17.02 | Cooner750 | But help on editing this file? |
| 08:17.05 | enouf | Cooner750: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- but teah drxx |
| 08:17.14 | cydork | Cooner750: Do not edit the file by hand!! |
| 08:17.14 | vick | Hello. i have php4-mysql and php5-mysql installed but i can't seem to be able to access mysql api functions using php |
| 08:17.28 | enouf | Cooner750: s/teah/yeah |
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| 08:18.01 | pstickne | cydork, why not? There are lots of good things to tweak ;) |
| 08:18.18 | cydork | Cooner750: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 08:18.49 | enouf | cydork: you're right...Conner750-- Just choose the resolutions you want or don't using the drxx |
| 08:18.59 | cydork | Cooner750: so drxx is prefered! |
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| 08:19.44 | Cooner750 | how do I restart X |
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| 08:19.48 | pstickne | Cooner750, just open it up. It's not quite as well documented as in Slackware but it's pretty explanatory. Just save an orignol first. |
| 08:19.49 | dooglus | Cooner750: to upgrade to unstable I believe you replace all the words 'stable' or 'sarge' in sources.list with 'unstable', 'apt-get update', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 08:20.00 | enouf | s/Conner750/Cooner750 |
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| 08:20.15 | ice_1963 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:20.30 | dooglus | enouf: is that a 'sed' command? |
| 08:20.33 | Cooner750 | Is there a command to restart X? |
| 08:20.37 | ice_1963 | or x86free |
| 08:20.42 | enouf | dooglus: he should "backport" if he wants to keep using stable |
| 08:21.13 | pstickne | Cooner750, ctl+alt+backspace is generally the easiest way ;) it's also dirty. |
| 08:21.17 | dooglus | Cooner750: you can restart gdm with "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" if that's what you want. or hit ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X and have gdm restart it |
| 08:21.25 | enouf | dooglus: huh ? no that's just a correction (in spelling) thing -- s=sorry |
| 08:21.29 | Cooner750 | here it goes |
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| 08:23.12 | Cooner750 | Glad to have that problem solved |
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| 08:23.21 | Cooner750 | I can now use Xfce without a headache |
| 08:23.30 | Cooner750 | The top panel is over my windows.... |
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| 08:24.26 | liable | !sid faq |
| 08:24.27 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 08:25.35 | Cooner750 | seems to me Xfce is great for 'older' machines |
| 08:25.55 | vick | Hello i have mysql server installed, common, php5-mysql and php4-mysql both cli, But i cannot seem to be able to call any mysql function from within php scripts, does anybody have any ideas why this might be happening ? |
| 08:26.10 | vick | However There are other apps which can use the mysql functions |
| 08:27.06 | Cooner750 | vick: Have you installed the PHP Mysql module? |
| 08:27.07 | ice_1963 | is there sid iso imags that can download? |
| 08:27.20 | ice_1963 | on dvd |
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| 08:27.22 | Cooner750 | wait... I just misread that, nevermind |
| 08:27.30 | pstickne | Cooner750, it's not still part of the monolithic package? :) |
| 08:27.37 | vick | Cooner750, isn't that php4-mysql and php5-mysql |
| 08:27.37 | liable | !sid isos |
| 08:27.42 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 08:27.44 | seb- | help! what font package need to display upper ascii chars? |
| 08:27.48 | pstickne | vick, what error indicators do you get? |
| 08:28.10 | vick | Cooner750, php -m | grep mysql shows 'mysql' |
| 08:28.14 | pstickne | seb-, ASCII |
| 08:28.15 | ice_1963 | liable: yes |
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| 08:28.18 | pstickne | seb-, you can't see that? |
| 08:28.32 | vick | pstickne, Call to undefined function mysql_connect() |
| 08:28.47 | liable | ice_1963: no. read the sid faq dpkg stated just before |
| 08:28.50 | seb- | pstickne: i'm printing a hex dump of an executable...on the right is ascii presentation of binary...some chars are unprintable |
| 08:29.00 | Cooner750 | vick: I'm not sure.. I have php and mysql working on my server (Debian Sarge) and I've done the same things you have |
| 08:29.08 | ice_1963 | well yes i did :) |
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| 08:29.41 | vick | Cooner750, Thanks anyway |
| 08:29.51 | vick | :( |
| 08:29.58 | vick | pstickne, do you have any idea ? |
| 08:30.08 | pstickne | seb-, that is crazy :( |
| 08:30.22 | pstickne | vick, have you tried in #php? |
| 08:30.35 | Cooner750 | Except I think I only installed php4 and php4-mysql, since I did not install php5 I did not install php5-mysql |
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| 08:30.50 | pstickne | vick, they might know how to test what is installed better. |
| 08:31.28 | Cooner750 | vick: You should try in #php, I've got help there before |
| 08:31.38 | vick | i will do so now |
| 08:31.41 | pstickne | vick, are you sure that it's the same program being run? |
| 08:31.53 | pstickne | vick, or is one shadowing the other? |
| 08:31.59 | vick | pstickne, what do you mean by the 'same program' ? |
| 08:32.11 | Cooner750 | grr. my AIM Accounts keep disconnecting |
| 08:32.22 | pstickne | vick, if say, you have 4 and 5 installed. also, is mod_php a seperate program too? (I don't use PHP) |
| 08:32.37 | pstickne | Cooner750, because you aren't being cool and using kopete :) |
| 08:32.57 | dooglus | pstickne: it's cool to use KDE apps? since when? |
| 08:33.09 | Cooner750 | I'm also not using KDE at the moment, but when I do I use Kopete :). I just happen to have bad luck with AIM everywhere |
| 08:33.18 | Cooner750 | I have Xfce, KDE, and Gnome all installed |
| 08:33.24 | pstickne | dooglus, kopete works fine without kde. it is much better then gaim. |
| 08:33.36 | vick | pstickne, i dont understand heh. |
| 08:33.44 | dooglus | pstickne: I don't have enough RAM to run KDE and GTK apps at the same time |
| 08:33.44 | pstickne | dooglus, well, when I say "without KDE" I mean, without running KDE-propper ;) |
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| 08:34.27 | dooglus | pstickne: gaim 1.5 was really annoying me with its constant popping up of windows telling me it's reconnecting. |
| 08:34.47 | pstickne | vick, is the program you invoke -m the same one in which you test the call mysql_connect? |
| 08:34.53 | dooglus | why can't it just quietly reconnect me? I don't need to know about it! I especially don't need it to pop up and steal keyboard focus |
| 08:35.03 | vick | pstickne, oh yeah, both php 5 |
| 08:35.05 | pstickne | dooglus, hehe, indeed |
| 08:35.28 | Cooner750 | i'm amazed at the speed increase using Xfce or KDE |
| 08:35.38 | dooglus | pstickne: I grabbed the gaim 2 source package from ubuntu and compiled that. gaim 2 does just that - silently reconnects. |
| 08:35.47 | dooglus | Cooner750: KDE is fast for you? |
| 08:35.48 | Cooner750 | yea gaim 2 does |
| 08:35.55 | Cooner750 | dooglus: Actually, yes it is o.O |
| 08:35.59 | dooglus | Cooner750: odd. |
| 08:36.00 | Cooner750 | on a 1Ghz PIII, 512MB RAM |
| 08:36.06 | pstickne | dooglus, that's good :) |
| 08:36.19 | dooglus | Cooner750: I've not run it for a year or so, but I don't remember it being fast. I use XFCE4 now |
| 08:36.46 | pstickne | Thunar is quite nice. |
| 08:37.01 | Cooner750 | Thunar is nice, yea, Xubuntu uses it |
| 08:37.03 | pstickne | I'm back in KDE just because of more flexibility as far as core components. |
| 08:37.24 | Cooner750 | Using Xfce now, not sure what version it is, probably and old version... |
| 08:37.34 | pstickne | But I'm looking at the different file browsers around because I hate using a webbrowser for that. |
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| 08:37.45 | Growly | i would very much appreciate lots of help right now |
| 08:38.02 | Growly | can someone tell me what exactly is meant by a dirty error with " ext3_check_descriptors" in it. |
| 08:38.04 | Growly | ? |
| 08:38.17 | Cooner750 | At the moment I have to go to bed, but I will be back tomorrow with needing help with FTP on my Sarge server, most likely |
| 08:38.31 | pstickne | Growly, a dirty error where? |
| 08:38.55 | Cooner750 | 'night all |
| 08:38.59 | Growly | i try and mount my raid array, and i get (excuse copy paste) |
| 08:38.59 | Growly | EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1920 not in group (block 0)! |
| 08:38.59 | Growly | EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted ! |
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| 08:39.38 | Growly | actually, that's the output from dmesg | tail |
| 08:39.51 | war95 | that is a nasty ex* issue, hencei never use ext* |
| 08:39.55 | Growly | when i try and mount the device, i get nastier errors |
| 08:39.57 | war95 | fsck it |
| 08:40.04 | dooglus | pstickne: did you try 'thunar', the xfce file browser? |
| 08:40.32 | pstickne | dooglus, yes, but uninstalled it due to fam conflics (with gavim) |
| 08:40.56 | Growly | last time i did this sort of thing, it was chkdsk pre windows server 2003 load and it ruined 600gb of data. i ran to linux crying, licking wounds. if i've lost more data, i can assure tears |
| 08:41.07 | pstickne | :( |
| 08:41.12 | dooglus | pstickne: I mostly just use Emacs' dired as my file browser. |
| 08:41.16 | pstickne | Growly, I'm better on data loss. |
| 08:41.20 | dooglus | pstickne: but I guess it's an acquired taste |
| 08:41.32 | pstickne | dooglus, looking for something with better support for media files O.o |
| 08:41.48 | Growly | pstickne - so you'll help me after i lose everything? heh |
| 08:42.14 | pstickne | Growly, shoulder to cry on? ;0 |
| 08:42.42 | Growly | yeah... |
| 08:42.48 | Growly | so tell me, this ext3 error - i presume is bad |
| 08:42.54 | pstickne | It's not RAID1 or 5 by chance is it? |
| 08:42.56 | Growly | is their a common cause? |
| 08:42.59 | Growly | it is raid 5 |
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| 08:43.06 | Guerin | there's no such thing as a good filesystem error |
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| 08:43.27 | Growly | Guerin - touche, but i'm trying to contrast bad with omfgkillmenow |
| 08:43.59 | dooglus | Guerin: is "kernel: UDF-fs: No VRS found" not a good filesystem error? I get it all the time, and it doesn't seem to do any harm |
| 08:44.05 | Growly | can i cancel fsk half-way without doing damage? |
| 08:44.20 | Growly | *fsck |
| 08:44.51 | Guerin | dooglus: udf is used on dvds and such, not volatile media |
| 08:45.07 | Guerin | Growly: not really. Best to just bite the bullet and trust your backups |
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| 08:45.13 | Guerin | you do have backups, right?> |
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| 08:45.24 | Growly | *sigh* |
| 08:45.29 | Growly | i've been through this, already, this year. |
| 08:45.50 | pstickne | Not same controller is it? O.o |
| 08:45.56 | Growly | nope |
| 08:46.11 | Growly | different machine completely |
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| 08:46.21 | enouf | Growly: do you have entries in /etc/fstab for this raid5 array? |
| 08:46.49 | Growly | yes |
| 08:47.18 | dooglus | Growly: it's ok to abort fsck if it's only checking, not fixing errors |
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| 08:47.36 | Growly | ... but it never loads at start up, because autodetection hasn't been setup. i have to manually run mdadm --assemble --scan and then mount |
| 08:47.44 | Growly | dooglus - cheer |
| 08:47.50 | enouf | Growly: see 'man tune2fs' to set it so it will run fsck.ext3 on it during bootup ... some combo of the -C and -c options |
| 08:47.58 | Growly | /dev/md0: e2fsck canceled. |
| 08:47.59 | Growly | /dev/md0: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** |
| 08:47.59 | Growly | " |
| 08:48.06 | Growly | (excuse copy paste again) |
| 08:48.53 | Growly | mdadm --detail tells me the raid itself is fine, but the filesystem on top of it :s |
| 08:49.26 | enouf | Growly: hrmm.. in that case I don't know -- but do NOT fsck it once it's mounted -- try a LiveCD and chroot to fsck it perhaps? |
| 08:49.27 | war95 | Growly: use a FS that does not have such issues ;P I use XFS on top of 2.6T ) |
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| 08:51.43 | Suprano | question |
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| 08:52.00 | Suprano | what need hlds_check to return to make the if argument true? if $DEDTOOLS/hlds/hlds_check $[$BASEPORT - 1 + $1]; then |
| 08:52.35 | Growly | war95 - thanks for the advice, i'll be changing after i save my data :s |
| 08:52.54 | Growly | enouf - it's not mounted, it refuses to mount in the first place |
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| 09:02.19 | enouf | Growly: I understand that -- but I just mean , in the future (or past) - it's not good practice to fsck mounted files systems...in general. I don't know whether or not you have in the past -- do a Google for "tune2fs RAID5" |
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| 09:04.38 | liable | you will get a big fat warning if you try and fsck a mounted fs |
| 09:04.55 | pstickne | you should |
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| 09:05.13 | ehour | hey liable and pstickne |
| 09:05.14 | pstickne | accidents happen though ;) |
| 09:05.16 | ehour | got a question |
| 09:05.27 | pstickne | (it really will warn you, usually stops you) |
| 09:05.30 | ehour | you know how to setup 4 harddrives, i got the dell xps700 1TB |
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| 09:05.44 | ehour | i want to use 1hd for 1 thing, and the other 3 for another |
| 09:06.03 | pstickne | !lvm |
| 09:06.04 | dpkg | i guess lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 09:06.14 | ehour | hey liable and pstickne |
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| 09:06.16 | ehour | got a question |
| 09:06.18 | ehour | i want to use 1hd for 1 thing, and the other 3 for another |
| 09:06.23 | pstickne | ehour, and of course, raid |
| 09:06.23 | Growly | enouf - thanks for that :) |
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| 09:06.28 | Growly | (wasn't trying to be a bastard) |
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| 09:07.03 | enouf | Growly: not at all ;-) |
| 09:07.34 | Growly | It tells me: "Free blocks count wrong for group #463 (32254, counted=0). Fix<y>? |
| 09:07.42 | Growly | i've said yes 463 times already |
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| 09:07.55 | Growly | how am i doing? |
| 09:08.05 | Growly | i need someone to hold my hand through this, last time things turned out crap |
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| 09:08.50 | enouf | Growly: I'd be VERY concerned .. I once got into an infinite "fixing" loop using ext3 when I knew less than I know now :-( -- what a messs... |
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| 09:09.13 | Growly | yeah, i stopped there |
| 09:09.17 | pstickne | Growly, I would use -y |
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| 09:09.35 | pstickne | is it infinate loop or just a million of the same? |
| 09:09.53 | enouf | Growly: You may want somehow try to extract the data BEFORE you alter all of it |
| 09:09.59 | Growly | a million of the same problem with different blocks |
| 09:10.35 | pstickne | enouf, but do you know of any data extractors for ext3? |
| 09:10.42 | Growly | enouf - yeah that's the lesson i learnt last time, except i have no where to put 450gb, and i have no backups, so i may as well... well i'm fucked no matter what i do |
| 09:10.47 | Growly | i'm praying something works |
| 09:10.50 | jcerd | vcbn |
| 09:10.51 | enouf | Growly: I'm talking sitting there for 10s of min just pinning the Enter Key to say yes -- when it was done ...or I couldn't bear it any longer -- All the data was gone |
| 09:11.23 | enouf | Growly: First hit on Google looks useful perhaps |
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| 09:12.24 | Growly | "RAID5 Data Recovery" ? |
| 09:12.48 | enouf | Growly: heck here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~peterb/linux/raidextract/ -- just not sure how useful the info/tools will be to you |
| 09:12.52 | pstickne | if it's a FS issue ... |
| 09:12.59 | ehour | pstickne |
| 09:13.06 | ehour | id really like ur help |
| 09:13.08 | enouf | Growly: "tune2fs RAID5" |
| 09:13.13 | Growly | i did ")\ |
| 09:14.27 | pstickne | ehour, I've never used lvm or sofware raid. if you want to treat 3 of the HDs as one big filesystem, look into those |
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| 09:18.01 | Growly | i'm guessing i should be concerned that the first 474 groups had bad free block counts |
| 09:19.41 | enouf | pstickne: Oh ..I'm unsure if www.runtime.org makes useful GNU/Linux filesystem type recovery tools - but they make great other FS recovery tools for under $100 USD |
| 09:19.44 | sep | Growly, as many have suggested. boot a livecd. check that md0 is up. do not mount it. use dd_rescue to clone md0 to a working spare drive. then try to rescue your data from that working spare copy of your filesystem |
| 09:20.27 | Growly | sep - i can't copy md0 to anything, it's 600gb |
| 09:20.31 | sep | Growly, if it's important data clone the spare to a third spare before tseting so you can revert things |
| 09:20.35 | Growly | md0 is up, the fs is broken |
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| 09:20.57 | Growly | my problem is that i have no facility to do such cloning |
| 09:21.01 | Growly | or such testing |
| 09:21.04 | sep | you must clone it to a different md device then |
| 09:21.11 | Growly | i have no others :s |
| 09:21.12 | DarKnesS_WolF | how to reconfigurethe locales langua. settings? |
| 09:21.21 | Growly | if this doesn't fix it, it's all gone |
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| 09:21.38 | stoned | dpkg-reonfigure locales |
| 09:21.39 | enouf | DarKnesS: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:21.42 | liable | ouch, 600G |
| 09:21.59 | DarKnesS_WolF | stoned: nop it's just telling me that the correct locales are uptodat |
| 09:22.02 | sep | Growly, well ... that's why i have backups of my systems.. i guess |
| 09:22.04 | enouf | DarKnesS_WolF: <--whoops |
| 09:22.20 | pstickne | http://edseek.com/archives/2004/02/25/ext3-filesystem-bad-superblock-recovery/ |
| 09:23.00 | stoned | DarKnesS_WolF, what debian release? |
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| 09:23.42 | stoned | which I dont think should matter though |
| 09:23.42 | DarKnesS_WolF | stoned: hum it's ubuntu :) so i'm asking on ubuntu too may be they messing up something but i think it's should be based on debian unstable |
| 09:23.57 | stoned | DarKnesS_WolF, ask in #ubuntu here or on freenode.net |
| 09:24.04 | Growly | sep - i understand what you're saying, but as i've tried to explain, raid5 is the greatest redundancy i have |
| 09:24.10 | DarKnesS_WolF | stoned: already asking :) |
| 09:24.10 | stoned | oh, I'm on freenode, word |
| 09:24.15 | Growly | and i've already suffered in the last two months: http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=22865&hl=600gb |
| 09:24.34 | Growly | you can remove the &hl=600gb if you wish :) |
| 09:24.52 | Growly | so now that fsck has finished and claims to have modified my file system, what should i do? |
| 09:24.54 | Growly | mount away? |
| 09:25.04 | sep | Growly, mount -o ro :) |
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| 09:27.08 | coywolf | how to find files edited in recent 5 minutes? |
| 09:27.39 | roxy_ | coywolf: man find |
| 09:27.41 | sep | coywolf, man find |
| 09:28.10 | Growly | omfg |
| 09:28.11 | Growly | did it work? |
| 09:28.13 | Growly | it mounted |
| 09:28.16 | Growly | my files appear to be there |
| 09:28.20 | Growly | but i can't know for sure... |
| 09:28.31 | sep | Growly, take backup now :) |
| 09:28.35 | Growly | i can't! |
| 09:28.40 | Growly | there's nowhere to back up to! |
| 09:28.46 | pstickne | Growly, internet :) |
| 09:29.01 | Growly | are you suggesting you have some gigabytes for me? |
| 09:29.10 | roxy_ | Growly: gmail |
| 09:29.15 | Growly | the only downside is here in new zealand, we are blessed with 128kbps uploads |
| 09:29.23 | pstickne | Growly, I can offer only 5GB, but get a server for a month :) |
| 09:29.43 | Growly | and 600GB @ 128kbps = die of old age |
| 09:29.51 | roxy_ | Growly: yes, but you're strong swimmer. Put it on floppies and swim |
| 09:29.57 | pstickne | haha |
| 09:30.03 | pstickne | rofl. |
| 09:30.34 | roxy_ | Growly: I'll wait for you in LA with a beer |
| 09:30.40 | pstickne | Growly, well, at least backup critical data. If you can seperate it... |
| 09:30.45 | sep | Growly, buy a 1TB nas box they are erlativly cheap. |
| 09:31.01 | Growly | knowing my luck, the same thing will happen to it |
| 09:31.02 | sep | Growly, or just remount rw and prey to $DEITY |
| 09:31.41 | sep | Growly, backup dies or the storage dies thats natural.. as long as they dont do it at the same time :) |
| 09:31.55 | Growly | knowing my luck, they will |
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| 09:32.04 | Growly | did i tell you the tale of my promise controller? |
| 09:32.10 | pstickne | nope |
| 09:32.13 | Growly | 4 disk raid 5 array, one day two drives go offline |
| 09:32.14 | Growly | TWO |
| 09:32.21 | Growly | raid 5 has redundancy for one, so two die. |
| 09:32.22 | sep | Growly, if you got a promise controller... you asked for it. |
| 09:32.26 | vick | What's a good GUI editor for debian ? |
| 09:32.28 | sep | they suck royal ass. |
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| 09:32.33 | sep | vick, xterm+v |
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| 09:32.35 | sep | vick, xterm+vi |
| 09:32.37 | Growly | i learnt that lesson, thanks very much |
| 09:32.46 | vick | sep, no i mean really GUI |
| 09:32.47 | Growly | although they are't worse than what im using now |
| 09:32.49 | vick | sep, heh |
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| 09:33.01 | simonrvn | gvim |
| 09:33.04 | sep | vick, xterm+vi with colours ? |
| 09:33.11 | cydork | vick: xemacs ? |
| 09:33.18 | pstickne | vick, you want an editor with a nice UI or a GUI editor? |
| 09:33.21 | simonrvn | !80 megs |
| 09:33.38 | Growly | right |
| 09:33.39 | pstickne | simonrvn, give me a break. a good emacs install is over 100 ;) |
| 09:33.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:33.59 | vick | pstickne, UI ? |
| 09:34.02 | sep | Growly, next time buy a 3ware |
| 09:34.06 | vick | pstickne, no i want GUI |
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| 09:34.10 | simonrvn | gvim |
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| 09:34.24 | Growly | sep - next time i'll buy an areca |
| 09:34.27 | simonrvn | get vim-full (etch or sid) |
| 09:34.34 | Growly | the problem is mone |
| 09:34.35 | Growly | y |
| 09:34.45 | simonrvn | it alwats is ;p |
| 09:34.46 | sep | Growly, no get a 3ware :) |
| 09:34.48 | simonrvn | always* |
| 09:34.52 | Growly | given that i am a high school student, these things fall in the "zomg no monies" category |
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| 09:34.57 | pigor | hello. i am just "playing" with gtkdialog. does anyone know where i can find a documentation? |
| 09:35.03 | Growly | i rate areca > 3ware |
| 09:35.12 | Growly | well, they do at storagereview |
| 09:35.15 | pstickne | vick, for editing what? |
| 09:35.21 | Growly | and because i can't afford to use it myself, i have to read reviews |
| 09:35.24 | Growly | and that takes time |
| 09:35.27 | Growly | time i haven't got |
| 09:35.28 | simonrvn | i haven't been in HS since 1989 and it still is a 'problem' |
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| 09:35.47 | sep | Growly, 3ware have had their drivers in linux since 2.2 you dont get better then that :) |
| 09:35.54 | vick | pstickne, codes and such |
| 09:36.15 | Growly | sep - well that is one for 3ware |
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| 09:36.45 | enouf | sep: methinks Growly has been drooling over the newer RAID6 areca Sata controllers |
| 09:36.46 | Growly | ofcourse now that the drive is busy, i can't umount |
| 09:36.59 | Growly | enouf - yes! the 1170!!!11111one |
| 09:37.10 | enouf | hehehehe |
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| 09:37.40 | sep | raid6 is still no replacement for backups even if it can handle a 2 drive fail |
| 09:37.50 | sep | _nothing_ replaces backups |
| 09:37.55 | krassy | i have a 2 isp`s and i using script to balance traffic going out over the two providers.each of them have 2 dnsses. i manualy put all 4 in /etc/resolv.conf. the system work fine for now but i want to run my own dns and also want have only "nameserver 127.0.0.1" line in my resolv.conf file.i have fresh installed unconfigured bind9.please someone tell me - what sample configuration i need to use - for Caching-only Nameserver or for An Authoritative-only Nam |
| 09:37.55 | krassy | eserver ? |
| 09:38.11 | pstickne | sep, offsite to boot |
| 09:38.14 | enouf | sep: Totally agreed ....and Archives |
| 09:38.47 | Growly | ofcourse nothing replaces backups |
| 09:38.52 | sep | pstickne, if it's not ofsite it's not _real_ backups anyway :) |
| 09:38.56 | simonrvn | um, there's more to 'nameserver 127.0.0.1' than just wanting it ... |
| 09:38.58 | pstickne | :p |
| 09:39.22 | simonrvn | it *is* cheaper though =) |
| 09:39.35 | Growly | i must admit though, it gets tiresome when you can't make them, haven't made them, and people pelt you with accusations and blame (when you're actually asking for help) |
| 09:40.15 | Growly | i tell you, when my raid first died, everywhere i asked provided atleast four people with an excuse to tell me it's my fault for backing up (they then proceeded to lecture me on the importance) |
| 09:40.34 | sep | krassy, the bind9 debian package already include a caching nameserver |
| 09:40.51 | simonrvn | the default set up is a caching NS |
| 09:40.51 | Growly | why help someone fix a problem or provide a solution when you can harass them about the cause? |
| 09:40.52 | Growly | heh |
| 09:41.06 | pstickne | Growly, it's easier to harass |
| 09:41.12 | sep | Growly, in the home that they learn and never do the same make again |
| 09:41.14 | sep | hope |
| 09:41.16 | sep | :) |
| 09:41.25 | simonrvn | it's more fun to harass and help ;p |
| 09:42.02 | sep | Growly, we take out paycheck from harrasing peapole... otherways we'd never bother helping for free on irc :) |
| 09:42.21 | krassy | sep:do you meen that i may clear all lines in resolv.conf right now and let only nameserver 127.0.0.1 line ? |
| 09:42.28 | sep | when someone lost data and have no backups... it's payday :) |
| 09:43.01 | sep | krassy, no. i mean you can start your bind9. test if it work's . _then_ try editing resolv.conf |
| 09:43.05 | simonrvn | peapole? a pole for peas? ;p |
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| 09:43.30 | Growly | sep - oh i understand the reasons, but i can't help but wallow in self-pity |
| 09:43.33 | simonrvn | funny typos are fun |
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| 09:43.49 | sep | simonrvn, i type typoes all the time :( wonder what's wwrong with me. |
| 09:43.57 | SaLoMoN | hiho |
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| 09:44.10 | fireba11 | i got network problems on etch (2.6.16-2-amd64-smp) when running vmware server 1.0.0 ... anyone can help with that ? |
| 09:44.14 | simonrvn | i do too. i just correct them. i don't touch type |
| 09:44.15 | sep | (besides the crappy kvm) i do it at hometoo. altho not as bad as here |
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| 09:44.35 | sep | fireba11, no.. |
| 09:44.36 | pstickne | sep, well, obviously peapole is a euphamism for round things and long things so... |
| 09:44.38 | Growly | now i'm going to need a program to recursively generate md5 (or other) checksums for these folders, recommendations before i start downloading willy nilly? |
| 09:44.56 | simonrvn | find + md5sum? |
| 09:45.09 | fireba11 | sep am loosing all network connections once in a while it seems ... |
| 09:45.25 | simonrvn | s,oo,o, |
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| 09:46.16 | vick | Sorry was disconnected. |
| 09:46.28 | vick | was asking about a good GUI editor for editing codes and so |
| 09:46.45 | vick | i am getting vim GUI, is that good ? |
| 09:46.46 | sep | fireba11, is it a vmware or a debian issue ? |
| 09:47.04 | Bear_DK | I've plugged in another NIC in my Debian box but once I restarted it it doesn't show the nic as "eth1". A 'lsmod' shows that it has loaded '8139too' which is the module for the NIC. How do I map the module to eth1? |
| 09:47.08 | sep | fireba11, ie is it only the debian gust that loose net. or all the vmawre guests ? ' |
| 09:47.09 | vick | Also, what's a good init.d scripts editor other than ksysv ? |
| 09:47.22 | vick | Bear_DK, it's probably a vmware issue |
| 09:47.22 | fireba11 | sep problem is i can't relly tell ... it's the debian HOST that looses net |
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| 09:47.30 | vick | Bear_DK, i dont remember the module name |
| 09:47.35 | Bear_DK | vick: I don't use vmware |
| 09:47.42 | sep | fireba11, if it's the host then check hardware first. |
| 09:47.51 | vick | Bear_DK, wrong person |
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| 09:48.41 | krassy | sep:need i use the isp`s nameservers as forwarders ? |
| 09:49.00 | Suprano | how can i set the working directory of an app i want to start ? |
| 09:49.02 | krassy | sep:in named.conf.options |
| 09:49.07 | simonrvn | Bear_DK: it doesn't auto-configure. you need to configure your interfaces file |
| 09:49.28 | fireba11 | sep hardware seems fine .. i stopped vmware and it seems to be working fine |
| 09:49.36 | sep | krassy, i'd say that would be wise. but you could use root.hint file too. |
| 09:49.52 | Bear_DK | simonrvn: don't I need to tell it somewhere what eth1 is? |
| 09:49.55 | sep | fireba11, i guess that's vmware incentive to get you to buy esx |
| 09:50.04 | fireba11 | sep lol |
| 09:50.25 | sep | fireba11, issue with the bridging perhaps. add a second hic to host and let vmware use that exclusivly. |
| 09:50.29 | sep | wild guesses here |
| 09:51.08 | fireba11 | sep bridging sees to be a good guess though .. i already got 2 NICs in there .. will try to use one exclusively for VMware |
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| 09:51.59 | krassy | sep: i dont have root.hint file , should i need to create it? |
| 09:52.15 | sep | kroddn, no,. use forwardnig |
| 09:52.35 | vick | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 09:52.45 | sep | krassy, it's called db.root in bind9 |
| 09:52.52 | vick | Everything concerning php and mysql is installed, but i cannot access mysql functions from php :( |
| 09:52.59 | vick | I tried everything, this sucks |
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| 09:53.13 | sep | krassy, read more in /usr/share/doc/bind9 |
| 09:53.17 | fireba11 | vick does phpinfo() show the mysql thingies ? |
| 09:53.34 | vick | fireba11, let me try |
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| 09:53.51 | simonrvn | Bear_DK: well, you can designate which module gets loaded first in /etc/modules so it's always consistent. there's other ways, but that's one of the simplest |
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| 09:54.26 | sep | vick, did you add extension=mysql.so to /etc/php/apache2/php.ini |
| 09:54.43 | sep | vick, or check that it is there and restart apache |
| 09:55.35 | vick | sep, it's not an apache problem |
| 09:55.40 | vick | sep, i am trying php CLI |
| 09:55.55 | vick | fireba11, i tried print_r( get_loaded_extensions() );, it didn't show mysql |
| 09:56.10 | vick | fireba11, However, php -m | grep mysql shows mysql |
| 09:56.25 | sep | then you must add it to /etc/php4/cli/php.ini |
| 09:56.40 | sep | or check that it's there |
| 09:56.51 | vick | sep, i did, to /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
| 09:57.07 | vick | sep, php -v verifies i am using php5 |
| 09:57.13 | vick | sep, i have both installed tho |
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| 09:59.03 | vick | What's wrong, heh. |
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| 10:02.01 | krassy | sep: final question - what command i need to use to test - is 127.0.0.1 a dns now ? |
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| 10:02.56 | sep | krassy, host www.slashdot.org 127.0.0.1 |
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| 10:09.09 | krassy | sep:The answer is - Using domain server: Name: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Aliases: www.slashdot.org has address 66.35.250.151 |
| 10:09.27 | krassy | sep:is working ? |
| 10:09.38 | sep | aye |
| 10:09.50 | krassy | sep:thax a lot |
| 10:10.07 | krassy | sep:10x |
| 10:13.36 | jetscreamer | 12Y also |
| 10:13.42 | jetscreamer | see also a1b2 |
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| 10:23.03 | jcm | hi, still trying to compile rt2500-source module, I installed last testing kernel (2.6.16-k7) and now I get ' Unknown gcc system type i486-linux-gnu, falling back to default' with make-kpkg modules_configure |
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| 10:32.23 | pstickne | jcm, choose a different processor type family? |
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| 10:32.52 | vick | pstickne, You didn't tell me a good GUI editor :( |
| 10:33.09 | pstickne | vick, what are you wanting to use it for? |
| 10:33.45 | jcm | pstickne: isn't my /boot/config-xx file used by default ? |
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| 10:34.15 | shafire | why has debian so old .debs? |
| 10:35.12 | pstickne | jcm, you have to make oldconfig or something IIRC |
| 10:35.18 | liable | jcm: just make it without kpkg |
| 10:35.28 | liable | !annoy shafire |
| 10:35.35 | shafire | annoy?` |
| 10:35.36 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 10:35.36 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 10:36.00 | pstickne | jcm, but unless you have some super-settings, I find it easier to start from base with menuconfig. |
| 10:36.16 | jcm | liable: updated m-a to last testing version, seems my module accepts to compile with it... |
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| 10:36.30 | jcm | i'd prefer not to recompile the kernel if possible |
| 10:36.44 | jcm | great! m-a suceeded the compil |
| 10:37.12 | liable | \jyou dont need to compile the kernel, and i doubt that the rt2500 source is set to be used with m-a. just cd to the source dir, and type make |
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| 10:38.13 | jcm | liable: the text shown by apt-show tells to use m-a :/ |
| 10:38.20 | liable | jcm: blow me down, i didnt know rt2500 was in the repos.. |
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| 10:43.31 | jetscreamer | ewww |
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| 10:47.29 | liable | hah |
| 10:48.03 | liable | i was thinking more along the lines of popeye.. i have no reason why though. |
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| 11:04.32 | blondie | infernix: it's a type of root vegetable |
| 11:04.33 | mha13 | oops parttion |
| 11:04.48 | blondie | mha13: third time lucky... |
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| 11:05.28 | infernix | mha13: probably with mkisofs |
| 11:05.37 | mha13 | blonide : partition |
| 11:05.40 | mha13 | ? |
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| 11:06.34 | mha13 | infernix:10q and dpkg writing 10q is easyer then thank you .. |
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| 11:19.58 | mha13 | how do you set series X lexmark printers ? (i tried the z600 and z605 nothing worked for me) |
| 11:19.58 | enouf | infernix: tell steinchen --> "1cum" (because he said "10q" to you ...hehehe) |
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| 11:19.59 | mha13 | enouf:n!c3 |
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| 11:20.01 | enouf | mha13: l337 ...h4X0r ;-) |
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| 11:20.04 | cydork | !tell mha13 about printers |
| 11:20.07 | infernix | enouf: i prefer english. ;) |
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| 11:20.10 | mha13 | cydrok: been there did it , lexmark is mainly unsupported .. |
| 11:20.11 | mha13 | infernix:: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet |
| 11:20.12 | enouf | mha13, infernix: actually I'm too old for this cr4p :P |
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| 11:20.13 | mha13 | enouf:the nice old 80's |
| 11:20.14 | infernix | mha13: i know what leetspeak is. english is way better. |
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| 11:20.25 | Thanatermesis | how to launch a .jar java program file ? "java file.jar" ? |
| 11:20.25 | blondie | Thanatermesis: try it :P |
| 11:20.27 | Thanatermesis | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: bidnobble/jar |
| 11:20.41 | mha13 | Thanatermesis: -jar |
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| 11:21.26 | Thanatermesis | aha |
| 11:21.29 | Thanatermesis | thanks, mha13 |
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| 11:22.27 | shevegen | Hi, how do i install all xorg/x11 headers with apt-get? |
| 11:22.32 | mha13 | Thanatermesis: but be sure that _NOT_ using 1.4.2 jre |
| 11:22.58 | Thanatermesis | 1.5.0 here |
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| 11:30.28 | CAiRO | how can i find out in where in the gnome menu i can find a certain application |
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| 11:33.07 | blondie | CAiRO: look |
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| 11:33.39 | CAiRO | blondie: that's nearly impossible, it has a million menus and submenus |
| 11:33.42 | mha13 | im searching fot macos window decolration |
| 11:33.46 | CAiRO | the "Debian" menu alone is really big |
| 11:34.07 | mha13 | CAiRO: do you the name of the applictaion ? |
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| 11:34.20 | CAiRO | mha13: yes, its "directoryassistent" |
| 11:34.31 | mha13 | CAiRO:moment .. |
| 11:35.38 | CAiRO | aha, its in debian/aps/net |
| 11:35.45 | CAiRO | thanks, i looked at the menu file from the package |
| 11:35.53 | CAiRO | though, silly you cant search your app menu |
| 11:36.34 | mha13 | CAiRO: find directoryassistent / |grep directoryassistent |
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| 11:39.29 | ShredZ | I was trying to install k3b on etch but I get a dpkg: parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available, what to do ? |
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| 11:41.27 | ShredZ | seems like the available file is all human readable but at the point of error it goes all binary-like :/ |
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| 11:42.36 | mha13 | ShredZ:plz post the error on #flood |
| 11:43.05 | ShredZ | mha13, done |
| 11:44.16 | liable | mv /var/lib/dpkg/available-old /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 11:44.26 | liable | err, copy would be better |
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| 11:44.31 | liable | then update |
| 11:44.35 | OsRo | hi |
| 11:44.49 | OsRo | i have a problem whit apt |
| 11:44.49 | ShredZ | liable, I fear both files are the same |
| 11:44.52 | mha13 | ShredZ:did you update your sources ? |
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| 11:45.07 | liable | ShredZ: then fix line 8451 |
| 11:45.16 | liable | ShredZ: did you mess with that file or what? |
| 11:45.18 | OsRo | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 11:45.28 | OsRo | stuatus is corrupt? |
| 11:45.41 | OsRo | how to rebuild status of apt |
| 11:46.05 | ShredZ | liable, no I didn't touch it, but when I open the file with mcedit, that line is where the info goes from text to binary |
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| 11:46.43 | liable | ShredZ: remove that entire block |
| 11:46.54 | ShredZ | liable, it goes till the end of the file |
| 11:47.07 | ShredZ | liable, will that get fixed when I apt-get update N |
| 11:47.13 | ShredZ | N -> ? |
| 11:47.46 | liable | ShredZ: try an update first then. have you got unofficial sources in there? |
| 11:47.58 | liable | ShredZ: paste the file to a pastebot |
| 11:48.33 | ShredZ | liable, yesterday I installed spca5xx-sources to get my webcam working, then when trying to log into msn with kopete the system hard crashed on my |
| 11:48.51 | ShredZ | liable, when rebooting, no JFS errors were found and kopete worked fine, but now I noticed this |
| 11:49.10 | liable | ShredZ: are you sure the -old file is the same? |
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| 11:49.47 | ShredZ | liable, upon closer inspection it does seem ok, just size and date were the same so I was assuming too much apparently |
| 11:50.41 | ShredZ | liable, thanks, it's ok now |
| 11:50.54 | liable | cool |
| 11:51.06 | ShredZ | liable, there's on chance that the -old file misses some things ? or am I good again ? |
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| 11:51.59 | liable | ShredZ: update again and you should be fine |
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| 12:02.34 | cydork | !yawn |
| 12:02.35 | dpkg | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 12:02.49 | tjansson | I'm trying to install sarge on my old laptop and use at a server, but the installer seems to hang at 61% when doing something about exim |
| 12:03.21 | tjansson | I'm installing from a netinstall CD |
| 12:05.45 | tjansson | does anyone have a pointer to where I should look for the error or what to do? |
| 12:07.57 | cydork | tjansson: is it aroung 40 % |
| 12:08.12 | cahoot | tjansson: see if alt-F2 brings you to another console displaying any msgs |
| 12:08.29 | tjansson | cydork: last time it hang around 61% |
| 12:08.32 | tjansson | cahoot: |
| 12:08.55 | tjansson | cahoot: ups, I tried that it kinda froze up when doing exim |
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| 12:11.50 | tjansson | Actually it must have worked once - I had sarge on it before, but for some reason it chose to run testing, which didn't work out for me - the new cups messed uo |
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| 12:20.45 | tjansson | Not I tried again and the installer hangs at 61% and the last thing written to alt-f3 was "Adding system-user for exim (v4)" |
| 12:21.15 | tjansson | now it is impossible to do alt-f1 or so |
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| 12:21.48 | igorok | I greet you all. I have downloaden the 2 DVD -Images of Debian for i386 the version 3.1r2. After downloading the checking md5 was successful. By burning those ISO images on DVD - R I had no problem. But by the installation I let check this DVD on integrity and found that the one file on DVD is corrupt. I tried the different Burning software, different Burning Hardware and different DVDs. I bungled about 7 DVDs for those experements. I discovered that all DV |
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| 12:22.18 | enouf | tjansson: just a hunch -- but can you have the installer (actually the partitioner 'parted') Remove/Delete all the partitions and then reboot and rerun the install from scratch -- there were major changes to Exim between 3 and 4 |
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| 12:22.47 | mha13 | how do i create /dev/loop0 ? |
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| 12:23.06 | azeem | igorok: was it always the same file? Which one? |
| 12:23.09 | Janne_Doe | hi there |
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| 12:24.19 | jnjb | hello |
| 12:24.58 | tjansson | enouf: I had the installer format my old / partion and I am only keeping the /home partion so every part of the old system should be gone by now |
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| 12:25.30 | jnjb | i try to connect with wpa2 but it's don't work, someone had an howto for debian about that |
| 12:26.32 | igorok | azeem: Yes it is. But I can't remember which one of them. I tell you little bit later. |
| 12:26.43 | Janne_Doe | I have a problem: I have installed debian sarge netinst amd64,i have a modem "speedtouch" and I can't connect to internet. |
| 12:27.30 | amphi | Janne_Doe: you have the firmware? I have no idea about 64bit specific issues |
| 12:27.42 | jnjb | janne-Doe the usb modem are not very good on linux |
| 12:27.51 | Janne_Doe | erm yeah i do |
| 12:28.11 | Janne_Doe | no it is connected via ethernet |
| 12:28.35 | jnjb | why netinstall download cd's or dvd's to install |
| 12:28.54 | amphi | speedtouch usb works fine here |
| 12:29.22 | Janne_Doe | I have done to connect twice times but I can not reconnect me |
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| 12:29.33 | Janne_Doe | (i am french sorry) |
| 12:29.58 | petemc | its not your fault |
| 12:30.08 | enouf | tjansson: aha....I'll bet your /home partition has an earlier version of Exim and it conflicts -- read all about Exim4 (and changes/changelog) that you can |
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| 12:31.05 | Jazon_ | hi everyone. i am haveing an issue with udev and kernel 2.6.17 whereby it wont load a configuration for my usb wifi device. I added a line to /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_local.rules ---->BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0111", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0baf", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'echo 1 > /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue'" but when i do this i get bad CDC descriptors. this trick used to work, but now does not. any suggestions? |
| 12:31.21 | Janne_Doe | somme guys helped me on #debian-fr but we didn't know why for the moment |
| 12:31.33 | Janne_Doe | http://paste.debian.net/10144 if it can help you |
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| 12:32.26 | pekuja | is there no VLC in etch? |
| 12:32.38 | jnjb | no is on sid |
| 12:32.51 | pekuja | how come? |
| 12:32.57 | blondie | probably broken :P |
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| 12:33.10 | trygg | What does it mean when ntfsfix says "setting required flags on partition... FAILED"? |
| 12:33.20 | Janne_Doe | nobody have an idee? |
| 12:33.22 | tjansson | enouf: I just don't understand how there could be any exim4 information on my /home partion |
| 12:33.47 | pekuja | does the sid VLC package work in etch? |
| 12:34.07 | petemc | tjansson: there shouldnt be |
| 12:34.46 | tjansson | petemc: I will try download the image again |
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| 12:35.23 | tjansson | where can i find the md5sums for the netinstall cd images? |
| 12:36.00 | Ronin | tjansson: debian.org i suspect |
| 12:36.38 | tjansson | Ronin: :D - I just can't find anything on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 12:36.41 | enouf | tjansson: configuration files from all you /.xxxxx files within /home/username/. -- Are you selecting your old /home as a separate partition for use in the installation setup ? -- perhaps you can let the installer creat another default /home and then copy over your important data later after up and running - but I don't forsee great results with that either. Can you back up your /home onto optical media for safe keeping (or copy onto anothe |
| 12:38.28 | tjansson | I actually i have the hole /home backup on another server, but just wanted to be sure before i delete the /home partion (I takes some time to copy the data back) |
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| 12:40.12 | Ronin | tjansson: according to debian the files are in the same directory as the image is |
| 12:40.27 | dooglus | is there some way to find out what kernel version I'm running? ie. whether 2.6.17.7 from kernel.org has been merged into it? |
| 12:40.28 | enouf | tjansson: check the older bts logs for issues between exim3 and exim4 perhaps as well -- I recall reading quite a bit about the diff when I 1st installed Debian Sarge - there were many many warnings in the changelogs |
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| 12:40.37 | chjunior | hi! somebody have installed openoffice.org in debian amd64? |
| 12:40.53 | tjansson | Ronin: I found the now - thx |
| 12:40.58 | dooglus | uname -r tells me "2.6.17-1-686" - but does that include the 2.6.17.7 fixes or not? |
| 12:41.36 | cahoot | dooglus: I think you'll have to read the changelog to know |
| 12:41.54 | tjansson | enouf: Thx - I will try to check the md5sum of my images and evrything else fails i will wipe harddisk and see if it helps |
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| 12:42.51 | dooglus | cahoot: oh, ok. thanks. |
| 12:42.57 | BarryAllen | hi all, how can i use smtp auth with postfix-ldap ? |
| 12:43.17 | enouf | tjansson: ok -- let us know |
| 12:43.35 | BarryAllen | i found just old docs.... using pfixtls-0.8.16-2.0.16-0.9.7b.tar.gz |
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| 12:48.41 | calestyo | Hi. I'm running a Debian server as productive server, so I choose sarge instead of sid, which I use for my workstations,.. anyway I need the newest zope/plone versions for the server but those are not available from backports.org. What is the best solution? Running zope/plone in a sid-chrootenv and writing an init.d script that automatically starts it in the chroot? Or compiling the packages myself? Or is there perhaps aways to tell aptitude |
| 12:48.42 | enouf | tjansson: didn't you say that you used 'testing' previously ? --> [[ " Actually it must have worked once - I had sarge on it before, but for some reason it chose to run testing, which didn't work out for me - the new cups messed uo" ]] <-- for how long? and you have a /home based on that? -- and now you're trying to install just Sarge? ..or.. |
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| 12:50.42 | tjansson | enouf: yes |
| 12:51.01 | tjansson | running testing from when sarge came out |
| 12:51.14 | bluefox83 | wtf, i can't launch anything and my teriminal is giving me a segmentation fault when i try to su! |
| 12:51.33 | bluefox83 | *terminal |
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| 12:52.06 | bluefox83 | help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! something is very wrong! |
| 12:52.22 | bluefox83 | i should not be getting a segmentation fault when all i do is su |
| 12:53.20 | bluefox83 | nothing is launching! |
| 12:53.39 | sid | bluefox83: What version of debian are you running? |
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| 12:53.47 | bluefox83 | unstable :/ |
| 12:53.52 | bluefox83 | but this is just nuts! |
| 12:54.06 | ick | What dvd player supports menus? |
| 12:54.12 | calestyo | xine |
| 12:54.15 | bluefox83 | i have *NEVER* had this kinda problem before :( |
| 12:54.18 | ick | calestyo: how? |
| 12:54.25 | sid | bluefox83: Did you install packages from Ubuntu repositories? |
| 12:54.31 | bluefox83 | sid, no |
| 12:54.34 | ick | calestyo: I couldn't use my mouse to select menu entries. |
| 12:54.44 | sid | ick: I would go with vlc for menu support |
| 12:54.49 | calestyo | ick: uhm from which version? |
| 12:54.56 | bluefox83 | i don't have any ubuntu repositories in my sources.list..why would i they're two different distros >.> |
| 12:55.02 | ick | calestyo: v0.99.3 |
| 12:55.13 | sid | !tell bluefox83 about bts |
| 12:55.25 | BarryAllen | hi |
| 12:55.32 | calestyo | ick: strange... i have no problems at all with it ;) |
| 12:55.47 | bluefox83 | sid, trying to tell me to run the bug tracking system? i hate to tell you this...but IT WONT LAUNCH! |
| 12:55.53 | enouf | tjansson: I would say there's some conflict there ...wouldn't you think ?? mixing 2 diff versions in Debian is a no-no From what I know ;-) |
| 12:55.56 | ick | sid: Is there a Debian package for "vlc with menu support"? |
| 12:56.01 | BarryAllen | im is possible to patch postfix-ldap with the tls patchs to have postfix-ldap-tls ? :P |
| 12:56.06 | bluefox83 | *NOTHING* will launch now for some reason |
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| 12:56.48 | zignig | bleh! |
| 12:57.24 | ick | calestyo: you just click on an entry? |
| 12:57.58 | enouf | bluefox83: try sudo ? |
| 12:58.01 | calestyo | ick: yes,.. have you installed all suggested libs,.. libdvdread or so (but it depends on it iirc) |
| 12:58.50 | bluefox83 | enouf, i don't think you get what i am trying to tell you, not even stuff that should launch as a regular user is launching! if it's not up right this second, it wont launch |
| 12:59.17 | calestyo | ick: perhaps you need libdecss to,.. but this shouldn't be related to the menus, should it? |
| 12:59.22 | tjansson | enouf: :) true true - testing, was to unstable for me, so reinstalling the stable part, I just think it should be strange that I can't install stable due to some nonstable user config files on /home partion |
| 12:59.34 | enouf | bluefox83: echo $PATH |
| 12:59.50 | ick | calestyo: libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
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| 13:00.01 | tjansson | ick: install libdvdcss2 |
| 13:00.05 | enouf | tjansson: now you see what i'm driving at ;-) |
| 13:00.05 | bluefox83 | enouf, i can't get a terminal window up to run that..can i run it with /exec in xchat? |
| 13:00.08 | calestyo | ick: then I don't know,.. sorry |
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| 13:00.14 | ick | tjansson: thank you |
| 13:00.38 | bluefox83 | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games <--what was echo'd into xchat |
| 13:00.45 | calestyo | ick: oh,.. you wrote UNavailable ^^.... i read available |
| 13:00.59 | mbishop | My fonts in xorg are ugly (autohint/subpixel stuff is off), but the fonts are just kind of "blocky", any way to fix that? |
| 13:01.30 | roym | folks - does anyone know of a linux alternative to dreamweaver to make flash animations. Doesn't need to be anywhere near as full featured as macromedia's version (the ~$500 price tag is a bit high). |
| 13:01.39 | enouf | bluefox83: I see no issues there ..hrmm |
| 13:02.38 | ick | tjansson: Is that also available for amd64? |
| 13:02.38 | MatBoy | Guys, how much connections for MySQL can a PIII 1,113 Ghz hold ? Not that much queries... so not a forum or something... but only reading some site-content |
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| 13:03.08 | sid | MatBoy: 10s of thousands |
| 13:03.12 | ick | Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 13:03.15 | tjansson | ick: i don't that - I'm currently reinstalling my only pure debian machine |
| 13:03.20 | bluefox83 | Could not set mode 0700 on private per-user gnome configuration directory `/home/bluefox/.gnome2_private/': Read-only file system <---i just got that error doing /exec gnome-terminal |
| 13:03.32 | sid | ick: What version of debian? |
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| 13:03.34 | MatBoy | sid, you mean... enough ? |
| 13:03.38 | calestyo | ick: it's due to licensing issues not part of deiban,.. |
| 13:03.44 | MatBoy | I mean... you mean enogh |
| 13:03.53 | calestyo | ick: add marrilat's repository to your sources.lit |
| 13:03.55 | calestyo | lis |
| 13:03.57 | bluefox83 | enouf, could this be a gnome issue? could gnome have logged me out of everything? |
| 13:04.00 | calestyo | list (fuck) |
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| 13:04.16 | MatBoy | f*ck ?? where :p |
| 13:04.36 | sid | calestyo: It has nothing to do with licensing issues. |
| 13:04.38 | sid | calestyo: It has to do with American laws and the DMCA act |
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| 13:04.49 | calestyo | sid: yes,.. i menat that ;) |
| 13:05.12 | igorok | I greet you all. I have one problem and describe them detailed, please don't regard it as flood. I have downloaden the 2 DVD -Images of Debian for |
| 13:05.12 | igorok | i386 the version 3.1r2. After downloading the checking md5 was successful. By burning those ISO images on DVD-R I had no problem. But by the |
| 13:05.12 | igorok | installation I let check this DVD on integrity and found that the one file on DVD is corrupt. I tried the different Burning software, different Burning |
| 13:05.12 | igorok | Hardware and different DVDs. I bungled about 7 DVDs for those experements. I discovered that all DVDs were burned successful but after the |
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| 13:05.36 | enouf | bluefox83: I don't know -- sorry .. check the BTS as suggested, and then come back and someone more knowledgeable can likely help you |
| 13:05.41 | azeem | igorok: please do not flood the channel |
| 13:05.47 | calestyo | sid: As as so often,. the non-us-world has (or even decides) to live with the US-made-problems... (see the old crypto-laws) |
| 13:06.05 | bluefox83 | enouf, i can't!!! i can't even launch a browser! |
| 13:06.25 | igorok | Excuse me |
| 13:06.32 | enouf | bluefox83: ugh... |
| 13:06.56 | bluefox83 | enouf, i went to bed with a terminal window open, xchat open, xmms, and gaim open, in gnome |
| 13:06.59 | azeem | igorok: you could try to just start the installation, maybe the corrupted file is not important |
| 13:07.02 | sid | calestyo: sadly this is true |
| 13:07.26 | bluefox83 | enouf, i accidentally turned off the terminal window..now i have to run everything through an /exec command in xchat |
| 13:07.55 | bluefox83 | enouf, i'm afraid to restart X for fear that it wont come back up! |
| 13:08.05 | igorok | azeem: If the file exist, how it can be not important? |
| 13:08.12 | igorok | *exists |
| 13:08.17 | enouf | bluefox83: Restart X ? CTRL-ALT-Backspace ? <<-- neverrmind |
| 13:09.11 | bluefox83 | enouf, something is very wrong =( |
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| 13:09.31 | marcel__ | hi |
| 13:09.41 | azeem | igorok: the DVD contains a lot of packages, you will most likely not install them all |
| 13:09.56 | azeem | igorok: plus, you can install the corrupted package over the internet |
| 13:10.13 | azeem | igorok: of course, if the corrupted file ia core part of the installer, this would be different |
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| 13:10.34 | ick | I installed libdvdcss2, but xine still doesn't allow me to show menus. |
| 13:10.51 | enouf | bluefox83: How about gracefully - guessing --> use /sbin/reboot ??? |
| 13:11.03 | ick | (well, recognize them when I click on them) |
| 13:11.17 | bluefox83 | enouf, i would rather restart X, because if it doesn't work i can still reboot.. |
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| 13:11.40 | enouf | bluefox83: right ...can you drop to the ttys ?? |
| 13:11.43 | igorok | azeem: It is the mystery. On DVD+/-RW this file is not corrupted. Thats way I can't regard the file as corrupted. |
| 13:11.46 | bluefox83 | and if that doesn't work, i'm putting in knoppix, copying everything to my second hard drive and nuking this one >.> |
| 13:12.31 | ick | and vlc use the wrong libdvdcss: libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access |
| 13:12.31 | azeem | igorok: so use DVD+/-RW? |
| 13:12.31 | enouf | bluefox83: the VT/VCs ? |
| 13:12.32 | bluefox83 | enouf, lets see if i can restart X first... |
| 13:12.38 | bluefox83 | enouf, what in the hell is VT/CS? |
| 13:12.49 | bluefox83 | or VT/VC |
| 13:12.53 | enouf | bluefox83: Virtual terminal/console |
| 13:13.05 | chjunior | somebody can help-me with a problem that is embarrassing my brain?! |
| 13:13.17 | bluefox83 | enouf, let me kill X here..then if that doesn't work i'll try something else... |
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| 13:13.30 | enouf | !vt |
| 13:13.30 | dpkg | when someone says VTs to you, they usually mean Virtual Terminals, like console |
| 13:13.55 | igorok | azeem: Yes. It is for me the only solution. |
| 13:13.59 | bluefox83 | sh: /etc/init.d/gdm: Input/output error <---uhoh |
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| 13:14.24 | enouf | bluefox83: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 13:14.26 | cydork | bluefox83: fsck :) |
| 13:14.36 | tjansson | enouf: Now check the md5sum off the images im using and I ask debian to wipe the harddisk, In any case the installere hangs after "Adding systmer-user for exim (v4)". Maybe something is wrong with the 3.1 v2 images? |
| 13:15.09 | petemc | tjansson: fwiw, i think the exim packages have to use "--force-badname" when adding the exim user |
| 13:15.36 | enouf | tjansson: hrmmm... -- I'll let others take over - thanks |
| 13:16.06 | tjansson | petemc: but this is when trying to install the image - I can't can get to a console - this is during the "Base system install" |
| 13:17.01 | petemc | tjansson: you cant use alt + f2 ? |
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| 13:18.12 | tjansson | petemc: no the system is locked up |
| 13:18.55 | tjansson | petemc: Guessing there is a problem with 31r2 - now I'm downloading 31r1a instead |
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| 13:19.41 | enouf | tjansson: sorry - one last bit.. IF you have to wipe the disk first -- you could use 'Gparted' http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php (30MB d/l) burn cd image, boot cd, use GUI partitioner to wipe ;-) |
| 13:20.30 | tjansson | enouf: the hd is wipes now, but thanks :D and thanks for the other help as well |
| 13:20.32 | tjansson | :D |
| 13:20.52 | enouf | tjansson: np ;) |
| 13:21.07 | petemc | tjansson: there are a few options you could try without downloading a new cd, a different kernel, passing options to the kernel, etc |
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| 13:22.03 | bluefox83 | that was not fun :( |
| 13:22.46 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 13:23.06 | tjansson | I have a 10mbit/10mbit connection, so I don't mind downloading the image again, but if the 31r1a image fails I should try some kernel parameters |
| 13:23.08 | bluefox83 | i'm leaving this running while i go jobhunt...be back..later sometime though |
| 13:23.30 | petemc | tjansson: someone has to pay for debians bandwidth... |
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| 13:24.02 | stoned | I've been up all night researching urine smuggling/substituting... |
| 13:24.12 | stoned | goddamn piss test, violation of my rights |
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| 13:24.28 | petemc | move to a "free" country ;) |
| 13:24.32 | stoned | lol |
| 13:24.41 | tjansson | petemc: that is true - but if over BT then everybody is happy |
| 13:24.57 | enouf | bluefox83: you're back up and running ok? |
| 13:25.14 | igorok | good bye to all |
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| 13:26.13 | tjansson | bye |
| 13:27.10 | MatBoy | friend a mine had 3 80GB drives on a 3ware controller where the array is gone... is it possible to rebuild it with the controller itself ? |
| 13:28.01 | infernix | hmm. i dont think so |
| 13:28.07 | SlayerXP | MatBoy: yes. |
| 13:28.17 | SlayerXP | 3ware controllers are proper raid cards |
| 13:28.33 | MatBoy | SlayerXP, do you have any idea ? The problem is that the OS is also on those drives |
| 13:28.34 | MatBoy | :( |
| 13:28.40 | infernix | SlayerXP: 3ware is hardware raid. if the controller bios does not see the array, i dont think you can have it re-detect it. |
| 13:29.12 | infernix | MatBoy: i assume you had raid5 on 3x80GB? |
| 13:29.39 | MatBoy | infernix, yep, they guy had.. I doubt if it's possible indeed |
| 13:29.45 | stew | MatBoy: the card is detecting the drives but not the array? |
| 13:30.09 | MatBoy | stew, the drives are all "uncomplete drives" so the controller lost the array |
| 13:30.11 | infernix | MatBoy: if more than one disk broke, you can't rebuild it. if just one disk broke, it should list as DEGRADED in the bios. |
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| 13:30.47 | stew | MatBoy: i've had that happen but have it come back after another reboot |
| 13:30.55 | MatBoy | infernix, I know that a Areca card can detect a possible array |
| 13:31.06 | infernix | MatBoy: if the bios sees them as unused disks, then it seems like the RAID info was lost. I dont think its stored on the controller but on the harddrives though. |
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| 13:31.19 | MatBoy | stew, is there a battery on the card that you know of ? I never used 3ware :) |
| 13:31.20 | stew | MatBoy: you should also try calling 3ware's support line. i've had them give me good help before, even with a 5 year old card that i had bought used on ebay |
| 13:31.28 | sep | probably a drive broke. he didn't notice, and he ran it degraded for some months... then a second drive broke.... and it's a toster |
| 13:31.37 | MatBoy | stew, yep, he contacted them |
| 13:32.02 | MatBoy | sep, that could be a very good possibility |
| 13:32.11 | MatBoy | sep I don't get why he had not a spare :( |
| 13:32.47 | sep | MatBoy, i have configured the email alert for mine. |
| 13:32.52 | infernix | you don't need a hotspare with raid5 as long as you set up notification on drive failure. and have the data backed up, of course. |
| 13:32.56 | stew | MatBoy: older cards don't have a battery but newer ones do, i think (but i'm not sure), i have a 7800 in my hand and it has no discernable battery |
| 13:33.10 | stew | MatBoy: i assume he has tried rebooting several times? |
| 13:33.13 | stew | MatBoy: cold booting? |
| 13:33.37 | MatBoy | stew, yes he has... damn... that is why at least have one spare !! |
| 13:33.56 | MatBoy | stew, spare = hotstandby drive |
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| 13:34.26 | stew | yeah, i always have a hotspare, gives me a ton of reassurance |
| 13:34.31 | sep | the batteries aer usualy to hold adta in the card cache while the power is gone. so that it can be written to disc when the power returns. not to hold raid info. that's on the harddrives |
| 13:34.51 | stew | yes |
| 13:36.15 | MatBoy | stew, yep, that was true :) I once had a IDE one... I sold it right away.. I most of the time use Raid1 and that is always SW-raid here :) |
| 13:36.46 | MatBoy | stew, strange btw that default controller from compaq can have 1 hotspare in 0+1 :( |
| 13:37.35 | stew | MatBoy: why is that strange? |
| 13:37.56 | MatBoy | stew, if 2 drives fail at the same time |
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| 13:39.28 | chjunior | every executable that I try to execute it says "No such file or directory" |
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| 13:39.45 | sep | chjunior, broken $PATH ? |
| 13:39.51 | MatBoy | chjunior, you dronk to much beer :P |
| 13:40.01 | infernix | chjunior: echo $PATH, what does that say |
| 13:40.12 | stew | chjunior: are you running reiserfs? |
| 13:40.13 | chjunior | well, I'm executing using the complete path, not a /bin executable |
| 13:40.15 | sep | chjunior, caps lock on ? :) |
| 13:40.27 | chjunior | MatBoy, yeah! but not today :'( |
| 13:40.37 | zimnyx | I got outgoing connections blocked. But i got proxy server available on localhost (i set up ssh tunel to some remote proxy). Is it possible to make outgoing ssh connections using this proxy? |
| 13:40.40 | infernix | chjunior: compromised machine? |
| 13:40.46 | chjunior | stew, yes! ] |
| 13:40.47 | MatBoy | chjunior, it stays long in your blood :p |
| 13:41.02 | MatBoy | chjunior, xtc maybe in your breakfast ? |
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| 13:41.49 | chjunior | MatBoy, hehehehehe, I don't know.... my coffe have something like "vodka", but I don't know what is this... |
| 13:42.05 | MatBoy | chjunior, blame you collegues :P |
| 13:42.09 | MatBoy | your |
| 13:42.28 | chjunior | stew, i'm running raiserfs, some problem with this fs? |
| 13:42.53 | MatBoy | chjunior, the faulttolerence is not there when your system is crashing |
| 13:42.58 | stew | chjunior: what is an example? if you run "ls /usr/bin | less" do you see files that look, uhh, "messed up"? like having the permissions; "?---------" |
| 13:43.04 | ShredZ | !reiserfs |
| 13:43.04 | dpkg | somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 13:43.37 | stew | chjunior: we've seen frequent filesystem corruption with reiser in here. far more than any other filesystem |
| 13:44.13 | infernix | i was always a huge fan of xfs after my reiser drama. but even xfs is not for everyone. 99% of all filesystems should simply be ext3 |
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| 13:44.50 | ShredZ | chjunior: I had it go wrong for me once, when the system hung because of some nvidia problem, luckily I could manually patch it back together with changeing some filenames but some weren't that lucky |
| 13:45.08 | chjunior | stew, for example, I downloaded RadRails, a IDE for Ruby on Rails, than I unpacked at my home |
| 13:45.11 | ShredZ | I'm quite happy with JFS now |
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| 13:45.33 | Illarane | fdisk can't see the free 15gig on my hdd... why? |
| 13:45.43 | chjunior | stew, and when I execute /home/chjunior/radrails/RadRails, it says that "No such file or directory" |
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| 13:46.18 | stew | chjunior: what does "stat /home/chjunior/radrails/RadRails" return? does the output of "ls /home/chjunior/radrails" look normal? |
| 13:46.24 | ShredZ | for all you filesystem debaters, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html has a nice test on various kinds of operations on filesystems |
| 13:47.19 | chjunior | stew, http://paste-bin.com/32 |
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| 13:49.20 | stew | chjunior: what about the output of ls for that directory? |
| 13:49.21 | chjunior | stew, did you see? |
| 13:49.42 | stew | chjunior: yes, it loos normal |
| 13:49.46 | stew | looks* |
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| 13:50.31 | chjunior | stew, http://paste-bin.com/33 |
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| 13:50.36 | DogWater | anyone know much about iowait? |
| 13:51.23 | stew | chjunior: that looks normal too. you might try fscking it |
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| 13:51.48 | LPby | http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389 |
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| 13:52.21 | Ronin | *cough* oh opers :) |
| 13:52.47 | cydork | Ronin: no point now! he is gone :P |
| 13:53.01 | Ronin | cydork: channel ops cant get him but the network ones sure can |
| 13:53.50 | azeem | Ronin: klinesd |
| 13:53.52 | azeem | eh, klined |
| 13:53.59 | Ronin | excellent :) |
| 13:54.03 | cydork | :) |
| 13:54.17 | azeem | Ronin: of course, I only saw your remark by chance and then passed it on |
| 13:54.35 | azeem | consider using !ops next time, maybe |
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| 13:54.47 | azeem | or report directly to freenode personell |
| 13:55.24 | chjunior | stew, sorry by the newbie question, but, how to fsck a mounted partition? |
| 13:55.37 | amphi | chjunior: don't |
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| 13:57.00 | chjunior | amphi, yeah, is not a much recommended thing... =/ but fsck.reiserfs didn't say nothing about it |
| 13:57.40 | amphi | chjunior: fsck.reiserfs? be afraid... ;) |
| 13:58.21 | amphi | chjunior: backup the partition if you're going to do --rebuildtree |
| 13:58.40 | chjunior | amphi, I know =/ I'm very afraid |
| 13:59.04 | amphi | chjunior: I had to do that once, and it appeared to work, but the consequences of it failing are not pretty, even according to the man page |
| 13:59.21 | nvz | I can get my cell phone invoice in pdf format from my providers website, I was wondering if there is an easy way to convert the section which has my call history (its in a table format like a spreadsheet) into an actual spreadsheet file. and also if a program like gnumeric or OO.o Calc could take that spreadsheet and somehow replace the phone numbers in it with names, if I provide it with information of who the numbers belong to. I could do t |
| 14:00.02 | chjunior | amphi, I won't use rebuildtree =D |
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| 14:01.05 | nvz | the pdf if virtually useless. if its in a spreadsheet format I can sort by cols and perform math operations easily and get a much better idea of my usage and adjust my plan accordingly. |
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| 14:01.50 | nvz | I just dont want to have to enter it manually or copy/paste. I would like to figure out how to make this automagic conversion. |
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| 14:03.00 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
| 14:03.45 | nvz | hello |
| 14:04.23 | YogSothoth | Some time ago I modified some files to change the name of my machine. Then I had some name server resolution failure but I didn't care. And now I'm trying to build a ruby script for web scrapping and it does not works because: SocketError (getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution). So, what should I do to correct that? |
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| 14:05.14 | YogSothoth | I'm newby to this, and when I changed the name of the machine I just followed indication from someone here. So I don't even remember what I did |
| 14:05.48 | nvz | YogSothoth: well if you dont know enough to elaborate on "some files" then you would have to elaborate on "name resolution" |
| 14:06.24 | nvz | like if you have dns on your network or if you are just manually putting name entries in each host |
| 14:06.25 | YogSothoth | nvz, yeah :) but I don't really know where to investigate for this type of issue |
| 14:06.30 | Nux31 | my Gnome Desktop isn't working |
| 14:06.34 | Nux31 | configuration isn't correct |
| 14:06.35 | nvz | me either since I dont know what the issue is |
| 14:06.38 | Ronin | Nux31: umm ok |
| 14:06.40 | treestone | YogSothoth: Fix your /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf and maybe /etc/host.conf until 'host <insert host here>' works |
| 14:07.00 | Nux31 | how do I use apt-get ?? |
| 14:07.04 | YogSothoth | thanks treestone I dig that |
| 14:07.10 | Nux31 | to download the video driver ? |
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| 14:07.38 | treestone | Nux31: 'man apt-get', and apt-cache search <insert video driver name or something here> |
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| 14:08.07 | treestone | YogSothoth: There's a man page for each of those files, e.g. 'man resolv.conf' |
| 14:08.17 | YogSothoth | Oh, in fact I wrote a note about what I did: I edited /etc/hostsname, /etc/hosts et /etc/mailname |
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| 14:08.48 | YogSothoth | treestone, maybe I have to update the conf file you mentionned so it really works |
| 14:08.51 | nvz | YogSothoth: and your shell probably took notes on it too |
| 14:08.57 | Nux31 | thanks treestone |
| 14:09.01 | treestone | YogSothoth: Actually I meant /etc/hosts not /etc/host.conf |
| 14:09.01 | nvz | they tend to keep a history |
| 14:09.27 | YogSothoth | nvz, was a long time ago don't think my shell still remember that |
| 14:09.48 | nvz | sometimes I wish I used a logrotation on my shell history.. cause I make some interesting one-liners and forget them |
| 14:10.07 | YogSothoth | treestone, now knowing that I edited /etc/hostsname, /etc/hosts et /etc/mailname, do you think of something I might have forget? |
| 14:10.12 | treestone | YogSothoth: Depends on how big your history is, you can always enter 'history' and check for yourself.. |
| 14:10.16 | treestone | YogSothoth: No, no idea. |
| 14:11.45 | chjunior | stew, well, the partition was formatted 1 week ago... than I think that the FS is ok.... |
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| 14:12.56 | marco | Hi, all. i've got strange problem. since an apt-upgrade today i'm not able to mount nfs. error msg is: "can't read superblock" ... Dist is dapper 6.06TLS |
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| 14:13.28 | moi1392 | hello, I have a problem with nis and automount |
| 14:13.35 | nvz | marco: wtf is Dapper 6.06TLS? debian doesnt have any such thing |
| 14:13.48 | marco | nvz, ubuntu :| |
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| 14:13.54 | nvz | doesnt have apt-upgrade either |
| 14:13.59 | seeds | marco is using ubuntu |
| 14:14.17 | marco | nvz, meant apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 14:14.19 | Kerr | 'lo... i'm using sarge with the stock 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel; and looking to get mixing working with my soundcard. (CM8738 |
| 14:14.21 | YogSothoth | treestone, can it be that some network device have to be updated with the new name of my machine? |
| 14:14.35 | cydork | marco: ask #ubuntu!! |
| 14:14.36 | moi1392 | automount start before nis (S19automount and S19nis) and it doens't mount my mis exported share |
| 14:14.41 | Kerr | Anyone know if it supports hardware mixing, and ifnot, how to enable dmix? |
| 14:14.53 | moi1392 | I have to los as root and restart automount after the boot sequenc |
| 14:14.56 | treestone | YogSothoth: No. Just check that you have at least 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain or some such in /etc/hosts |
| 14:15.11 | nvz | marco: sounds like someone may have broke your nfs packages or you upgraded to a version that doesnt support what you are connecting to.. this isnt a debian issue, so how would I know. |
| 14:15.13 | treestone | YogSothoth: And an entry for your actual hostname and IP address too. |
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| 14:15.49 | YogSothoth | treestone, I have this line but localhost localhost.localdomain is inversed. Does the order matter? |
| 14:15.55 | chjunior | stew, are you there? |
| 14:15.56 | moi1392 | I rename S19nis to S18nis to fix temporarily the problem, what should be the good fix ? should I report a bug to nis or automount ? |
| 14:15.59 | treestone | YogSothoth: Not much, really. |
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| 14:16.08 | marco | nvz, maybe anyone had an similar error before and could help. |
| 14:16.20 | stew | chjunior: yes |
| 14:16.32 | chjunior | stew, the partition was formatted 1 week ago... than I think that the FS is ok.... |
| 14:16.40 | YogSothoth | yes I have a line with actual IP and hostname too |
| 14:16.42 | treestone | marco: That problem you described would be totally distro dependent and thus extremely #ubuntu specific. |
| 14:17.01 | YogSothoth | Looks like 193.43.xxx.xxx nancy.lapingroup nancy |
| 14:17.10 | stew | chjunior: what else could be causing your symptoms? |
| 14:17.13 | stew | chjunior: the kernel? |
| 14:17.19 | treestone | YogSothoth: Does your /etc/resolv.conf look reasonable? Should be a 'search your.domain' and 'nameserver some-ip-address' line at least. |
| 14:17.32 | Kerr | 'lo... i'm using sarge with the stock 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel; and looking to get mixing working with my soundcard. (CM8738) anyone know if the card supports hardware mixing, and if not how to enable software mixing? |
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| 14:17.52 | chjunior | stew, well, I really don't know.... I don't know if you remember, but I use amd64, my kernel is 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 |
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| 14:18.13 | stew | chjunior: you are going to have a hard time convincing me it's anything but filesystem corruption |
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| 14:18.23 | nvz | Kerr: I am not able to connect to alsa-project.org to see any info on that sound driver.. but maybe this howto could be of help http://wiki.arslinux.com/Dmix |
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| 14:18.37 | nvz | er maybe not |
| 14:18.42 | nvz | thats a dead link too |
| 14:18.45 | nvz | wtf is going on |
| 14:18.48 | nvz | !dmix |
| 14:18.49 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 14:18.59 | azeem | chjunior: didn't you say you ran reiserfscheck on a mounted partition? |
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| 14:20.18 | chjunior | stew, well stew, I don't know what is... =/ really.... but is a fact that the patition was formatted at a not so long time ago.... what is a important information.... but yes, it can be a FS error, otherwise, what can be? |
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| 14:20.35 | stew | chjunior: i don't know what else it could be |
| 14:20.37 | chjunior | azeem, no no, I didn't.... |
| 14:20.46 | chjunior | stew, me either :'( |
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| 14:21.07 | stew | chjunior: i don't see how the time at which the partition was formatted is relevant |
| 14:21.43 | treestone | chjunior: Whatever it is, at least check with 'dmesg' if there are any fs or hw errors. |
| 14:21.51 | Kerr | nvz: since alsa-project is dead, i checked that site, but i don't have the alsa version it suggested. I was wondering if there was a specific debian way to do it? or even to upgrade alsa? alsa-base appears to be current at 1.0.8-7. |
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| 14:22.14 | stew | chjunior: remember i correctly guess that you were using reiser. i did becuase we have had at least 2 other people in the last week with some of the same symptoms as you, both of which were running reiser and had filesystem corruption |
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| 14:22.53 | treestone | Isn't 'artsd' another way of getting multi-threaded sound? I don't use though as sb live+alsa is multithreaded. |
| 14:22.57 | treestone | (which I use) |
| 14:22.59 | stew | and why is shadowcat never around when people get reiser corruption :/ |
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| 14:23.12 | chjunior | stew, # dmesg | grep ReiserFS |
| 14:23.13 | chjunior | ReiserFS: hdc5: found reiserfs format "3.6" with standard journal |
| 14:23.13 | chjunior | ReiserFS: hdc5: using ordered data mode |
| 14:23.13 | chjunior | ReiserFS: hdc5: journal params: device hdc5, size 8192, journal first block 18, max trans len 1024, max batch 900, max commit age 30, max trans age 30 |
| 14:23.13 | chjunior | ReiserFS: hdc5: checking transaction log (hdc5) |
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| 14:23.33 | treestone | Isn't this channel officially moved to oftc now? Maybe shadowcat and the rest are over there.. |
| 14:23.34 | stew | !tell chjunior about flood |
| 14:23.50 | dimir | !tell dimir about food |
| 14:24.11 | fantomas | Hi. How to reinstall a package to get all its config files installed from package dist? |
| 14:24.30 | dmsantam | fantomas, apt-get --reinstall install package |
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| 14:24.53 | fantomas | dmsantam: doesn't help :( Configs are old and deadly incompatible |
| 14:24.58 | chjunior | stew, and how can I find/fix the fs corruption ? |
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| 14:26.07 | stew | chjunior: i don't know much about reiser. someone mentioned some kind of rebuildtree, but i would agree you should backup whatever you can now |
| 14:26.48 | stylus | I'm having trouble starting the X server, could someone help me? |
| 14:27.15 | stew | stylus: we could help, but you need to be more specific |
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| 14:27.35 | stylus | stew, I'm getting a fatal error: No screens found. |
| 14:27.41 | stylus | Is there anyway I can send more of the log to you? |
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| 14:27.51 | stew | stylus: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:27.54 | Ronin | stylus: use somethign like pastebin.ca |
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| 14:28.29 | stew | !pastebin is also if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 14:28.29 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:28.33 | nvz | Kerr: I'm not finding any debian related documentation on dmix, what dpkg showed is all I got.. it doesnt seem to be covered in any of the debian manuals |
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| 14:29.05 | fantomas | Has anyone an idea? How to reinstall a package so that all its config file would be taken from package? |
| 14:29.05 | stew | stylus: in general it means that you have chosen the wrong driver or in correct sync/refresh rates for your monitor |
| 14:29.10 | stew | !drxx stylus |
| 14:29.10 | dpkg | stylus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:29.12 | chjunior | stew, yeah =/ thank you :D i'll try :D if I don't appear in #debian in the next 2 days, you'll now what happened :D heheheheh |
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| 14:29.35 | stew | fantomas: purge it and reinstall it |
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| 14:29.41 | stylus | stew, that's what I assumed. |
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| 14:30.21 | stylus | If I go through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again, could you help me with any issues or options I'm unsure of? |
| 14:30.26 | stylus | stew, that is. |
| 14:30.39 | fantomas | stew: is it good idea to purge login.deb package? |
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| 14:31.16 | fantomas | stew: I'm moving from starge to etch now.. |
| 14:31.55 | m_abs | A quick but importent question... I have a server-pc running mysql on debian, it is extremely slow. In "top" at cpu(s) wa is constantly between 60->90% wa. What does "wa" mean? |
| 14:32.34 | fantomas | stew: ? |
| 14:33.05 | nvz | people who report vague news should be burned at the stake |
| 14:33.32 | nvz | I got over 100 stories of blah blah blah about this supposed wifi vulernability and no details what so ever |
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| 14:33.41 | m_abs | Is "wa" the process state meaning waiiting for I/O? |
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| 14:34.31 | stew | fantomas: have you tried just "apt-get install --reinstall login" ? |
| 14:34.41 | fantomas | stew: yes, of course |
| 14:34.52 | fantomas | stew: and I tried dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 14:35.40 | nvz | its not news if you dont know anything.. its just hearsay |
| 14:35.45 | stew | fantomas: you could check /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgname.postinst and see if its using ucf and see where the originals are, or extract the maintainer conffiles from teh deb |
| 14:35.57 | stylus | stew, how can I copy the xfree86 log to that upload.php using the debian console? |
| 14:36.10 | stylus | I'm in the directory of the file atm but don't know how to get it on that site. |
| 14:36.14 | zzz | Hi! How can i disable root login on ttys on sarge? |
| 14:36.22 | fantomas | stew: uh.. not an easy way :( |
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| 14:36.51 | nvz | zzz: why would you want to do such a thing? |
| 14:37.05 | stew | fantomas: you could purge login if you did it with --force-depends, and reinstall it immediately, you might wnana make sure you have the newer version downloaded first |
| 14:37.21 | stew | stylus: use a text browser like w3m or lynx or elinks... |
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| 14:37.55 | zzz | nvz: just cuz a lots of people knows the root password, but not all of them need to do things as root. It' s better to use them sudo. |
| 14:38.01 | stew | fantomas: however i think i'd rather just extract the newer .deb into a temp dir and copy what i needed from there |
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| 14:38.14 | stew | zzz: why not just change the root password |
| 14:38.18 | nvz | zzz: then change the root password, ffs |
| 14:38.18 | zimnyx | I got outgoing connections blocked, but i got proxy server available on localhost (i set up ssh tunel to some remote proxy). Is it possible to make outgoing ssh connections using this proxy? |
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| 14:38.38 | zzz | stew, nvz: it' s not as easy. So, how can i disable it? |
| 14:38.39 | qwertz | Hi, is it possible to run a second apache just with another port (let's say 81) to listen on? And if how could I do this? |
| 14:38.44 | fantomas | stew: hehe, dpkg -P says that login should be deleted :) |
| 14:38.49 | nvz | WHAT? its not as easy? |
| 14:38.55 | vulture | zimnyx: an https/http proxy? yeah - if you've got an ssh server on the outside listening on port 443 (https) you can use stunnel |
| 14:38.59 | nvz | its WAY easier |
| 14:39.05 | Ronin | changing root password isnt easy? odd |
| 14:39.09 | nvz | and _SAFER_ |
| 14:39.10 | vulture | qwertz: sure /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 14:39.12 | stylus | stew, I'm in w3m for the log file. It's just a black screen with a curser and writing? How can I get it onto the site? (this isn't the debian machine) |
| 14:39.16 | vulture | qwertz: not very hard to find.. |
| 14:39.20 | Ronin | zzz: change it and anyone who needs it will come find you ;) |
| 14:39.27 | zimnyx | vulture: i mean any ssh server. |
| 14:39.45 | zzz | nvz, Ronin: lots of programs uses that password. but please, tell me, can i disable it, or no? |
| 14:39.47 | nvz | disabling login on the console as root just fucks you when things go horribly wrong and stops no one from be comming a root login shell using su - or other methods |
| 14:39.50 | vulture | zimnyx: No. Not so far as I know. |
| 14:39.54 | nvz | zzz: ^^ |
| 14:40.04 | stew | stylus: hit "U" in w3m, or "w3m http://pastebin.ca/upload.php" from the command line |
| 14:40.19 | nvz | zzz: you need to quit abusing your root password and change it, plain and simple |
| 14:40.32 | nvz | and learn to use sudo properly, ffs |
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| 14:41.49 | zimnyx | vulture: thanks. |
| 14:42.16 | nvz | heh, he left... this is the kind of person who would consider removing the enter keys with a chisel and filling in the hole with super glue a security feature |
| 14:43.00 | qwertz | vulture, thanks for the suggestion but just realized, that I need different configurations - so would that be possible too? |
| 14:43.01 | nvz | I cant believe there are admins like this out there.. its scary |
| 14:43.10 | DocOC | "<zzz> nvz, Ronin: lots of programs uses that password." - what do you mean by this? Do you mean you have programs that have your root password set in their config files, so the program can run as root even if executed by a non-root user? |
| 14:43.16 | sussudio | nvz: why would you do that if you can epoxy the keyboard port? |
| 14:43.18 | nvz | of course so is the large numner of windows users |
| 14:43.24 | DocOC | ahh, ok, he left. |
| 14:43.31 | nvz | sussudio: heh, exactly |
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| 14:44.56 | nvz | sussudio: why not just plug the network cable in, then submerge the whole thing into wet cement.. of course you got to make sure its water cooled instead of air cooled I suppose |
| 14:46.14 | nvz | hmm that almost sounds like an idea.. cement, re-bar.. now thats security :P |
| 14:46.17 | stylus | stew, this is unbelieveably tricky with w3m. It said it was accepted, but I can't find it on the site.. |
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| 14:47.39 | DocOC | reminds me of a contract I had, where the client had created a little c program that would execute a command as a uid specified on the command-line and then made it suid root so that a web-application could execute certain commands as specific user. I just have to wonder how many web developers leave ready-made root-kits lying around for any script-kiddie to use. |
| 14:48.28 | sid | How can I delete all directories that start with BLAH-* on an ftp server. I'm using lftp.(I don't have ssh access) |
| 14:48.30 | nvz | I think I am gonna get myself internet this month.. of course I still have to get approval of my landlord since none of the utilities are in my name.. but its my birthday next week and this is what I want :P |
| 14:48.33 | sid | rm -rf BLAH-* doesn't work |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | does lftp support globbing ? |
| 14:48.50 | nvz | heh |
| 14:49.01 | nvz | rm -rf isnt an ftp command that I know of |
| 14:49.07 | abrotman | besides that |
| 14:49.25 | sid | I can do rm -rf foo; and that works |
| 14:49.29 | sid | But rm -rf foo* doesn't work. |
| 14:49.32 | sid | in lftp |
| 14:49.40 | stylus | stew: It worked! |
| 14:49.41 | nvz | interesting. |
| 14:50.07 | nvz | ftp clients must have come a long way since the last time I've used one |
| 14:50.07 | DocOC | sid: mrm foo* |
| 14:50.30 | stylus | stew: Here is the X server output. What's the problem? http://pastebin.ca/113316 |
| 14:50.38 | sid | wow |
| 14:50.39 | sid | mrm |
| 14:50.43 | sid | Where did that come from |
| 14:50.45 | sid | awesome, thanks a lot DocOC |
| 14:50.46 | DocOC | nvz: lftp does what it can to mimic the capabilities of basic gnu utilities. |
| 14:50.56 | sid | I've never heard of mrm; |
| 14:51.12 | DocOC | sid: most operations on multiple files in lftp start with 'm' |
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| 14:51.24 | DocOC | mget, mput, etc. |
| 14:51.46 | skx_ | Most ftp clients allow you to run "prompt off" to avoid being prompted for confirmation when running m* commands too |
| 14:51.49 | stew | stylus: the problem is that the driver couldn't find a video card |
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| 14:52.11 | stew | stylus: or that it found a device but it was an unsopported device |
| 14:52.22 | stylus | stew, this version of debian is running in VM ware player. Would that effect it? |
| 14:52.36 | stylus | I thought I'd set the video card settings properly. :-( |
| 14:52.38 | stew | stylus: does vmware emulate an nvidia card? |
| 14:52.47 | stylus | It has for things like ubuntu etc. |
| 14:53.00 | nvz | stylus: there is a driver for vmware, you should have installed the vmware tools package |
| 14:53.20 | stylus | nvz, care to link me? This is VMware Player, remember. |
| 14:53.31 | nvz | this is the vmware card |
| 14:53.42 | nvz | 00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware Inc [VMware SVGA II] PCI Display Adapter |
| 14:53.51 | jeremy_c | What mail delivery agent is suggested? Exim4, Postfix? |
| 14:54.02 | jeremy_c | I am in a VPS environment and want low processor and memory usage. |
| 14:54.06 | Ronin | jeremy_c: the one you like and confirm and secure |
| 14:54.07 | stylus | huh? Do I select it or something in the debian setup for x server nvz? |
| 14:54.09 | nvz | stylus: I am using vmware player too, but I remembered to build my vm with vmware tools |
| 14:54.22 | stew | jeremy_c: either exim4 or postfix would be good choices |
| 14:54.23 | stylus | ah ok, how can I get these tools? |
| 14:54.27 | nvz | stylus: yes its in the X config, but I think you have to install vmware tools first |
| 14:54.28 | stylus | nvz, that is. |
| 14:54.41 | stylus | Alright, is there a link I can get it from nvz? |
| 14:54.46 | nvz | stylus: I have no idea, when you use vmware workstation you just click on install vmware tools |
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| 14:54.58 | nvz | stylus: who ever built your vm should have had the sense to install them |
| 14:55.23 | stylus | I thought workstation costs money though, so I just got the player. |
| 14:55.40 | stylus | Hopefully I can find some tools for it as well. |
| 14:56.01 | nvz | stylus: indeed but you need workstation to make a vm. if you download one you should make sure it wasnt made by an idiot and it has vmware tools installed |
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| 14:56.32 | stylus | you need workstation to make a vm? Define vm? |
| 14:56.36 | andrew_p | hello |
| 14:56.50 | nvz | stylus: search the web.. if you must I can send it to you.. I have the vmware-linux-tools.tar.gz in /usr/src/ still I didnt delete it |
| 14:57.08 | stylus | nvz, I'm running vmware on windows. |
| 14:57.12 | nvz | stylus: vm is a virtual machine its what vmware player runs.. virtual machines |
| 14:57.23 | nvz | stylus: so I am I. vmware player on windows xp home |
| 14:57.35 | andrew_p | could anybody tell me please what packages containg gnome weather and command line applets? |
| 14:57.39 | nvz | running debian etch w/ linux 2.6.15 |
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| 14:58.06 | stylus | ahhh, so I need to put these tools on debian? |
| 14:58.19 | nvz | yes they have to be built |
| 14:58.25 | nvz | you will need kernel headers |
| 14:58.40 | stylus | So when you started off with debain on vmware player, it didn't work either? |
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| 14:58.56 | infernix | is there a method to wrap around an application that can only listen on 0.0.0.0, so that i can bind it to a specific IP? |
| 14:59.11 | nvz | stylus: no it worked to begin with, because I build the debian vm I am using and I installed vmware tools before I installed X.org |
| 14:59.18 | infernix | this is some obscure java thing that doesn't have the option to bind to a specific address, and i've been busting my balls on it for a couple of hours now to no avail |
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| 15:00.03 | nvz | stylus: on the vmware site where you download vms it usually says if they have vmware tools installed already.. you want one that has it. the vmware tools package contains video, and input drivers for the guest OS |
| 15:01.27 | andrew_p | how should u configure apt to make use of http/ftp proxy? is it sufficient to edit /etc/wgetrc? or should i modify Acquire::http::Proxy option in apt.conf |
| 15:01.58 | stylus | nvz, would thisone work? http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/13 |
| 15:02.22 | stylus | oh, tools isn't installed. |
| 15:02.32 | nvz | yeah it clearly says it doesnt have vmware tools |
| 15:02.36 | stylus | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/487 |
| 15:02.39 | stylus | That one, nvz? |
| 15:03.24 | stylus | Oh, no torrent available there. |
| 15:03.44 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 15:03.47 | nvz | stylus: thats very similar to what I am using, but I stole a serial for workstation and built mine myself and gave mine a 10gb virtual disk that grows as you add to it.. so right now its only about 3gb in size with full GNOME, KDE, and XFCE desktops |
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| 15:04.53 | nvz | the downloadable ones didnt have big enough virtual disks for me.. I wanted a vm I could distribute and give people a good experience with debian.. not start using it and already be at 97% of their root fs filled and the system running in out of memory conditions |
| 15:05.17 | stylus | ah, fair enough. |
| 15:05.23 | stylus | I'll deal with this some other time soon |
| 15:05.28 | stylus | G'night for now. |
| 15:05.38 | stylus | *wave* thanks for the help. :-) |
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| 15:06.26 | nvz | speaking of which I need to get some more ram for my vectra.. I only got like 70mb available to linux its a Pentium MMX 266.. and I cant even play like clanbomber or freecraft cause its so slow :P definatly cant use a multimedia app like amarok.. its not even worth running X on that damn thing when I have to use all text apps to get any performance |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | andrew_p: man apt_preferences .. i think |
| 15:07.04 | nvz | seems to me like 70mb or I think it may even be 72.. but seems like that should be enough .. I dont know why it runs so shitty |
| 15:07.42 | sussudio | Piggy had a p2-266 with 128MB. he has a dual p3-550 with 512MB and SCSI now. |
| 15:08.05 | cydork | andrew_p: you have to edit apt.conf and add something like Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy:8080"; |
| 15:08.28 | nvz | well my other pc is an AMD AthlonXP 1700+ w/ 512mb ram.. EIDE, but the vectra is just a sorry sight |
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| 15:08.41 | abrotman | abrotman |
| 15:08.41 | abrotman | makes |
| 15:08.43 | abrotman | piggy |
| 15:08.48 | abrotman | WORD HARD! |
| 15:08.48 | abrotman | work |
| 15:09.04 | cydork | abrotman: heheh |
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| 15:09.24 | abrotman | sussudio: how long to process month-end now ? |
| 15:09.39 | sussudio | abrotman: muh? |
| 15:09.50 | nvz | its just slow as hell. right now its in my living room on my big desk, and the fast one is in my bed room.. but I really dont think switching them around would be any better.. cause I have a tv in the living room, but in my bedroom all I got is the pc.. so I use it to watch movies and stuff if I want to lay down.. |
| 15:09.58 | abrotman | sussudio: i thought old piggy had problems processing month end stats |
| 15:10.02 | nvz | I really dont like having a slow pc when all I got is two pcs.. heh |
| 15:10.20 | sussudio | abrotman: it took a bit of time yes. doing a whole year was impossible. |
| 15:10.37 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0607.html |
| 15:10.39 | nvz | I got my cousin's Athlon 800Mhz Slot A, its got maybe 128mb ram.. it would be much faster than the vectra.. but I dont know when he will be taking it back.. so I dont want to get used to it :P |
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| 15:11.09 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:11.48 | Optic | what's happening with debian as a project these days? I have almost 100 systems in the field with debian on them and I'm wondering what to do when I need to upgrade them. |
| 15:12.03 | Optic | sarge is over a year old... |
| 15:12.06 | nvz | the vectra serves the purpose of having a terminal in the living room for light work.. but if I wanted to do network gaming or anything like that, its not going to work |
| 15:12.19 | nvz | omfg, not this shit again |
| 15:12.23 | abrotman | Optic: wait for etch's release .. then run a dist-upgrade .. might want to test it on a single system or so first |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | Optic: sarge will probably have security support for about a year after etch's release |
| 15:13.09 | andrew_p | actually i have a ssh tunnel which connects localhost:3128 with remote proxy. i've tried setting environment variables to localhost:3128 and modifying apt.conf as well, but apt tries to fetch files from 3128:80 :/ what would you suggest? |
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| 15:13.10 | Optic | what's new in etch? are there any radical change (xorg, etc?) |
| 15:13.16 | abrotman | probably |
| 15:13.18 | ricardo | hey guys ..i would like to know which repository you use to keep conky updated... |
| 15:13.22 | abrotman | check at packages.debian.org |
| 15:13.27 | Optic | cool, thanks |
| 15:13.34 | nvz | ricardo: wrong channel. |
| 15:13.35 | petemc | enough to warrant 4.0 |
| 15:13.53 | Optic | i like debian because apt works really well :) |
| 15:13.55 | nvz | ricardo: wtf is a conky? |
| 15:14.14 | ricardo | nvz: its a cool system monitor... |
| 15:14.20 | ricardo | sorry guys... |
| 15:14.22 | abrotman | !info conky |
| 15:14.24 | dpkg | conky: (highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 15:14.35 | mha13 | how do i copy partition to disk image ? |
| 15:14.45 | nvz | heh, must be new, I never heard of it. |
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| 15:15.18 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 15:15.43 | nvz | I thought it was some name of a distro or something.. when he mentioned repositories |
| 15:16.10 | nvz | if you want to update the conky package seems like its project website conky.sf.net is the place.. they have cvs info |
| 15:16.45 | nvz | if its in debian, then thats where it is.. on the official repository.. as new as it gets until the maintainer updates it |
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| 15:19.37 | nk | 'lo |
| 15:19.44 | nk | pheraps ot, but, do you know of any good cheap housing service? |
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| 15:19.59 | nvz | housing service? |
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| 15:20.25 | trygg | How do i check the temperature? |
| 15:20.30 | nvz | you mean you are looking for a home for your pc? |
| 15:20.42 | nvz | cause pcs are always welcome in my house :P |
| 15:20.44 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.45 | ricardo | nvz: yes....but i guess im setting the wrong repository because it just wont detect the new version..... |
| 15:20.54 | trygg | Is that part of kde? |
| 15:20.59 | nk | eh :P |
| 15:21.29 | mha13 | trygg:it is a frontend for lmsensors |
| 15:21.36 | mha13 | trygg:and yes |
| 15:21.37 | nvz | more welcome than cats |
| 15:21.57 | trygg | mha13: no other way? :) |
| 15:22.17 | mha13 | trygg:what X do you use ? |
| 15:22.24 | nnico | install lm_sensors. |
| 15:22.38 | nvz | I used to like cats.. until I woke up this morning and couldnt find my damn SD card.. I put it INSIDE my pc.. like on top of the cdrom drive about 7inches in.. and the fuckers reached their paws in there and got my SD card and must have been swatting it all over the damn floor last night |
| 15:22.41 | mha13 | trygg:install lm_sensors and run sensord-detect |
| 15:23.00 | mha13 | trygg:then choose your self a frontend |
| 15:23.14 | nnico | tadam. |
| 15:23.30 | nvz | this proves the fuckers cant be trusted.. not only did they get on my desk /AND/ touch my pc but they went inside it, and pulled stuff out |
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| 15:23.48 | nvz | the one damn place that is sacred to me... and those ungrateful little flea bags.. |
| 15:23.54 | nvz | grrr... |
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| 15:24.13 | blondie | nvz: lol |
| 15:24.31 | blondie | nvz is defeated by pussy cats |
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| 15:25.27 | trygg | mha13: cant be apt-get'd right? |
| 15:25.46 | fantomas | Does official nvidia drivers for linux suit either xorg and xfree86? |
| 15:25.59 | mha13 | trygg: apt-get install ksensors |
| 15:26.00 | nvz | if they dont keep their paws off my piano, guitar, and technology.. they are gone.. I've about had it.. they've destroyed all my window blinds already and they wont stay out of my stuff, but certain things I just wont tolerate. |
| 15:26.11 | trygg | mha13: but i dont want to install half of kde ;D |
| 15:26.22 | nnico | trygg: apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 15:26.25 | mha13 | trygg: what X do you use ? |
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| 15:26.34 | trygg | mha13: i dont know what version of it? |
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| 15:26.52 | trygg | nnico: thx! |
| 15:26.53 | mha13 | trygg:i ment window manger |
| 15:26.57 | trygg | e17 :) |
| 15:27.53 | fantomas | How to install XORG with a single command? Is there a meta package? |
| 15:27.55 | abrotman | fantomas: ask #nvidia |
| 15:28.00 | abrotman | !tell fantomas about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:28.11 | nvz | I actually got out of bed the other morning and had to cut my window blinds in my kitchen.. cause the one cat is hanging upside down by his foot all tangled up in the string screaming bloody murder.. and I tried to untangle him but after he tore me up pretty good I had to just reach for a knife and cut him loose |
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| 15:30.08 | jbalcomb | Is there an industry term for a server used to test a production for potential implementation? |
| 15:30.32 | blondie | nvz: they'll grow out of it :P |
| 15:31.17 | jbalcomb | s/production/product/ |
| 15:31.23 | petemc | jbalcomb: soak-test ? |
| 15:31.57 | nvz | blondie: yeah well I'm not liking them. they show no respect for the environment they live in. I caught one throwing feces across my kitchen yesturday like some kind of angry ape |
| 15:32.02 | DocOC | jbalcomb: test-bed? |
| 15:32.18 | fantomas | How to install XORG with a single command? Is there a meta package? |
| 15:32.21 | blondie | nvz: what do you expect? |
| 15:32.27 | blondie | jeez |
| 15:32.41 | nvz | blondie: well behaved little kittens |
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| 15:32.50 | blondie | nvz: hahaha no such thing |
| 15:32.55 | abrotman | fantomas: stop repeating |
| 15:33.04 | blondie | I'd say they're no worse than babies, but they're cleverer than babies |
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| 15:33.17 | abrotman | more clever? |
| 15:33.21 | DocOC | I've never heard of cat's playing with feces. |
| 15:33.24 | streuner___ | fantomas: didn't you get an answer already? |
| 15:33.34 | fantomas | streuner___: really? no |
| 15:33.35 | nvz | yeah they are smart enough to know what they arent supposed to do, but smart enough to know when I am not looking |
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| 15:34.14 | fantomas | streuner___: my first question was about nvidia, and second - about xorg. I upgraded to etch but xorg not installed.. |
| 15:34.15 | streuner___ | fantomas: apt-get install x-window-system in testing or unstable, if you running stable use backports.org and read instructions |
| 15:34.25 | jbalcomb | petemc: soak-test is more of a perfmorance test i think |
| 15:34.36 | jbalcomb | DocOC: i could work with that |
| 15:34.42 | jbalcomb | petemc DocOC: thanks guys |
| 15:34.47 | fantomas | streuner___: strange, after installing x-window-system xorg-core still not installed... |
| 15:34.54 | nvz | I found that I can tell if they've been on my stuff just by leaving bottle caps.. if I come back and the bottle caps arent there.. they were there. I still cant believe they looked inside my empty floppy drive bay, saw my SD card and reached in and pulled it out.. |
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| 15:35.03 | abrotman | xserver-xorg |
| 15:35.16 | streuner___ | fantomas: there are issues upgrading from stable to testing |
| 15:35.34 | nvz | that really pissed me off.. I spent almost and hour looking under every piece of furniture and applicance I had this morning for that damn thing |
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| 15:45.13 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:45.26 | nvz | well the place was mostly furnished when I moved in.. I pained the china cabinet, I need to reupholster the couch its a little dingy looking. but there was a kitchen table, china cabinet, toaster/microwave stand, couch, cheap entertainment stand, and a bed in there. I added the coffee table, end tables, night stand, and dresser. only appliances that were there was the stove and refridgerator.. I found a microwave for $15 at a yardsale. real b |
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| 15:46.54 | OsRo | hi |
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| 15:47.04 | OsRo | i need help with apt |
| 15:47.13 | Ronin | OsRo: bit more specific please |
| 15:47.19 | OsRo | hi Ronin |
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| 15:47.29 | OsRo | when i execute apt-get update |
| 15:47.37 | OsRo | the next error |
| 15:47.49 | OsRo | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:48.03 | OsRo | status is corrupt? |
| 15:48.18 | nvz | hmm I never seen that error before |
| 15:48.21 | streuner___ | use status-old and run apt-get update again |
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| 15:48.49 | streuner___ | its in the same folder (status) |
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| 15:50.56 | OsRo | streuner___:thank yo |
| 15:51.02 | streuner___ | np |
| 15:51.19 | yarou | s |
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| 15:55.45 | nvz | ah cool, my credit card company has my statement available in csv format.. too bad I dont need it :P I want my damn call history for my cell phone in csv format, and those assholes give me pdf statements |
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| 15:56.45 | vulture | nvz: yeah - my old phone company had my call history in csv downloadable from a website. I never got around to playing with it - but certainly was a cool touch. |
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| 15:58.49 | nvz | vulture: sprint is giving customers now who get the fair and flexible plans free nights and weekends starting at 7pm.. well I am paying for that feature as an existing customer.. I am trying to determine if its even worth it.. so having a spreadsheet would make these sort of mathematical questions a lot easier to answer |
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| 15:59.15 | itsadream | heh is vim currently broken in unstable? |
| 15:59.26 | stew | itsadream: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:00.48 | fantomas | Should dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or not? Because here it does absolutely nothing with it |
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| 16:01.02 | dabreegster | !xmd5 |
| 16:01.02 | dpkg | i guess x md5sum is If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are ... |
| 16:01.07 | itsadream | thanks stew, checking it out.. |
| 16:01.39 | fantomas | dabreegster: absolutely doesn't help |
| 16:01.43 | trygg | Is there some package of debian like elive or the alike with many preinstalled and configured packages thats often very handy? :) |
| 16:02.04 | fantomas | Any ideas? |
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| 16:02.27 | cavediver | Hello |
| 16:02.28 | stew | trygg: no. but live.debian.net might provide one in the near future |
| 16:02.28 | itsadream | wow, not only is it broken, but it has been for 2 months.. interesting :/ |
| 16:02.54 | cavediver | What processor type should I choose If i Have a core duo ? |
| 16:03.24 | trygg | stew: so i guess ill just stick with elive :) |
| 16:04.38 | vulture | nvz: yeah, I'd thought about doing some modelling to see whether other plans would be more suitable, but never got around to it |
| 16:05.04 | vulture | nvz: and my usage won't be nearly the same now that I've moved so far across the globe, working full time, etc. |
| 16:06.26 | nvz | vulture: yeah well I have the cheapest plan they offer which is the 200minutes Fair & Flexible. and I dont use that many minutes because all my friends and family are on network and I pay $5 for unlimited mobile to mobile, and anyone else I just call on the weekends or after 7pm |
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| 16:08.02 | nvz | vulture: I am trying to save some money, and get some luxuries like internet and a car.. so I am trying to cut my expenses any way I can :P |
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| 16:09.34 | nvz | I tried to get a bank account here in town and they tell me I am not in good standing with Mellon Bank of Pittsburgh.. which I dont think they should even be able to report..as I was a minor when all that went down, and its been like 6 years now.. mellon bank doesnt even exist anymore afaik, its citizens bank now.. and I havent the slightest clue who to even contact even if I were to pay them the money I dont believe I owe them in the first p |
| 16:10.13 | tdn | How do I add a system user if I do *not* want files from skeleton dir to be copied to the user's home dir? I want to create a user with home in an existing dir containing a lot of files that must *not* be overwritten. Also I do not want any new files to be added to the new user's home dir when I create the user. |
| 16:10.48 | nvz | tdn: man adduser |
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| 16:11.03 | Fox | tdn: --no-create-home |
| 16:11.07 | nvz | tdn: --home |
| 16:11.27 | tdn | Fox, thanks. |
| 16:11.39 | Fox | --home will overwrite the .bash_* won't it ? |
| 16:11.44 | nvz | Fox: that makes no home dir, --home does what he wants, because it only uses skeleton if the directory doesnt exist and needs to be created |
| 16:11.55 | Fox | cool |
| 16:12.00 | tdn | nvz, ok. Thanks. |
| 16:12.58 | marcel__ | I have a tough one |
| 16:13.13 | marcel__ | my keyboard works when I start my computer |
| 16:13.28 | marcel__ | then when it gets to Debian menu - username... it dies |
| 16:13.48 | marcel__ | I tried 2nd. keyboard and the same |
| 16:13.55 | nvz | marcel__: you mean the graphical display manager? |
| 16:13.58 | marcel__ | any idea? |
| 16:14.03 | marcel__ | yes |
| 16:14.10 | nvz | I've seen that happen before. |
| 16:14.26 | marcel__ | can I fix it from the recovery? |
| 16:14.28 | nvz | I dont think its that the keyboard stops working, its more that its not catching the input |
| 16:14.41 | jnguy | hm. |
| 16:14.44 | bluefox83 | what kind of keyboard is it? |
| 16:14.44 | jnguy | Can you ssh to the box? |
| 16:14.55 | bluefox83 | ps2 or usb? |
| 16:15.00 | marcel__ | ps2 |
| 16:15.08 | nvz | KDM did this to me once when I ran it on tty12.. it was still catching the input on tty7 even though KDM was running on tty12 so I was kind of stuck when it booted |
| 16:15.23 | marcel__ | what is tty? |
| 16:15.26 | bluefox83 | check /etc/modules and see if psmouse is in the list..it might be unloading the driver |
| 16:15.36 | nvz | !tty |
| 16:15.36 | dpkg | i guess tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 16:15.40 | bluefox83 | or not loading it at all |
| 16:15.47 | marcel__ | o.k. |
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| 16:16.36 | nvz | afaik psmouse driver simply connects the PS/2 Mouse to the common mouse device /dev/input/mice and has nothing what so ever to do with keyboards |
| 16:16.48 | bluefox83 | oh..right |
| 16:16.50 | bluefox83 | damn |
| 16:17.05 | nvz | its not even required for the mouse to work IIRC |
| 16:17.19 | bluefox83 | what the hell is the driver for a ps2 keyboard? |
| 16:17.48 | nvz | keyboard support is built-in |
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| 16:18.06 | bluefox83 | still..shouldn't that be a module of some kind? |
| 16:18.11 | sid | modprobe psmouse |
| 16:18.28 | marcel__ | I just entered the etc/mod and psmouse is in there |
| 16:18.34 | bluefox83 | sid, it's his keyboard that isn't working, not the mouse..i goofed up :/ |
| 16:18.53 | System- | hey, anyone know of a how to setup debian for reading / writing to a usb stick? |
| 16:19.01 | nvz | I am sure the keyboard is working. its just the Xserver/Display manger isnt catching the input |
| 16:19.12 | jnguy | System-: mount /dev/sdaxx /mnt/usb |
| 16:19.13 | bluefox83 | does XF86Config have the correct settings for your keyboard type? >.> |
| 16:19.17 | nvz | could be a misconfigured server or display manager |
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| 16:19.35 | nvz | seems you are gonna need ssh access, or to boot init=/bin/sh or something |
| 16:20.02 | System- | jnguy, it says i must specify the file system ftype |
| 16:20.05 | System- | *type |
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| 16:20.31 | bluefox83 | marcel__, are what WM are you using? i know gnome has the ability to change your keyboard settings without touching XF86Config |
| 16:20.37 | System- | will that result in the data already on the usb stick being deleted? |
| 16:20.47 | marcel__ | what is VM? |
| 16:20.50 | bluefox83 | or XConfig...whatever it is |
| 16:20.53 | nvz | the WM is irrelevant because the keyboard doesnt work to get that far |
| 16:20.59 | nnico | wm = windows manager |
| 16:21.00 | bluefox83 | WM |
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| 16:21.23 | marcel__ | I think I could ssh to the computer |
| 16:21.27 | marcel__ | let me try |
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| 16:21.32 | marcel__ | No, I cant |
| 16:21.36 | nvz | if you are booting to a display manager not accepting input you cant even login to get to a WM |
| 16:21.44 | marcel__ | I have just one ethernet plug |
| 16:21.45 | jnguy | System-: try mount -t fat32 /dev/sdaxx /mnt/usb |
| 16:21.58 | jnguy | System-: /dev/sdaxx is what comes out of dmesg whne you plug it in. |
| 16:22.09 | bluefox83 | unless they don't have it setup to ask for a username and password >.> |
| 16:22.09 | BartVB | I have a dual opteron box with 8GB of memory that hangs (on IO it seems) after it has been used for a couple of hours. Is it possible that this is caused by linux using memory that's assigned to some device(driver)? |
| 16:22.50 | bluefox83 | ok, i'm gonna stop trying to help here...before i kill something |
| 16:23.29 | nvz | BartVB: usage of memory belonging to any other device or process would be a Segmentation Violation and would be fatal for any process causing it |
| 16:23.56 | Dorao | I have a deb package stuck. how can I force a purge? |
| 16:24.09 | Dorao | it just stalls when 'purging configurations' |
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| 16:24.54 | BartVB | nvz, I don't see anything segfaulting. I just can't start anything new after this happens. Most of the processes that were already running just keep running (except for MySQL which is the only major thing running on this machine). |
| 16:25.31 | BartVB | here is what happens before and during the hang: http://pastebin.ca/113476 |
| 16:26.01 | BartVB | it happens around the moment that 'wa' jumps to > 50 |
| 16:26.05 | nvz | that means nothing to me :P |
| 16:26.27 | BartVB | this would make sense if something screwed up disk access around that point |
| 16:26.33 | nvz | what do you mean you cant start anything new? you open a terminal emulator and no shell spawns? |
| 16:26.33 | BartVB | I'm just not sure if that can happen? |
| 16:26.53 | BartVB | the shells that I have open accept input but don't do anything as soon as I press enter |
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| 16:27.04 | BartVB | i.e. if I do: ls |
| 16:27.11 | BartVB | the shell just hangs there, no way out of it |
| 16:27.12 | BartVB | ping works |
| 16:27.16 | BartVB | new logins don't work |
| 16:27.18 | nvz | are you swapping heavily? |
| 16:27.33 | BartVB | i.e. everything that needs disk access is broken at that moment |
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| 16:27.36 | BartVB | no swap at all |
| 16:27.47 | BartVB | BTW this: http://pastebin.ca/113476 is output from 'vmstat 2' |
| 16:27.54 | BartVB | forgot to mention that ;) |
| 16:28.01 | nvz | you have no swap space? or you are not using it? |
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| 16:28.09 | BartVB | not really using it |
| 16:28.17 | BartVB | well, it used something like 6MB of swap :) |
| 16:28.23 | BartVB | but it's not swapping at all |
| 16:28.37 | BartVB | 7GB cached at the time of the hang so there is no need for swapping |
| 16:28.38 | nvz | my system did what you say the other day.. but it was apache running wild on me and my swap was at like 97% |
| 16:29.14 | BartVB | is there a way to limit the kernel to 4GB of memory? |
| 16:29.26 | BartVB | just to see if that does run stable? |
| 16:29.35 | nvz | the kernel _is_ limited to 4gb of memory |
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| 16:29.44 | BartVB | not on a 64bit box |
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| 16:29.54 | BartVB | this is a dual opteron with debian amd64 |
| 16:29.54 | nvz | you have to enable high mem support for more :P |
| 16:30.01 | nvz | ah. |
| 16:30.38 | g333k | Hi, I having problems burning cds, I cant burn from nautilus either from k3b, what could be the problem? |
| 16:30.48 | nvz | well amd64 is still somewhat experimental its hard to say what may be going wrong. |
| 16:31.01 | nvz | especially for me cause I dont have the money to play with that stuff :P |
| 16:31.07 | fantomas | Anybody knows are the official nvidia drivers (which could be downloaded from nvidia.com) the same which is distributed as non-free stuff with debian?? |
| 16:31.33 | nvz | fantomas: not at all. |
| 16:31.34 | Optic | is it possible with apt to move back from testing to stable? |
| 16:31.57 | nvz | fantomas: the drivers themselves, but its the method thats the important difference |
| 16:31.58 | Buchannon | when I try to do apt-get update, it says that it can't connect to the servers... I've had this problem before but I can't remember what it is... |
| 16:32.03 | stew | Optic: no |
| 16:32.21 | Optic | so once i've installed some packages from testing, there's no going back? |
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| 16:32.26 | nvz | fantomas: the debian way provides seemless integration with the package system and supports upgrades |
| 16:32.33 | nvz | installation of new kernels..etc |
| 16:32.43 | jetscreamer | Optic: some !=all, there is always hope |
| 16:32.44 | kroddn | JAAAAA! Ich bin Top-1 *g* |
| 16:32.54 | jetscreamer | depends on the packages |
| 16:33.20 | Optic | i'm having this problem: |
| 16:33.20 | Optic | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:33.20 | Optic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.33 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 16:34.33 | dpkg | fix-unmet is, like, run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 16:34.58 | fantomas | nvz: Not sure I understodd you correctly. Those drivers are different or not? I only interesting in their performace :) |
| 16:35.15 | fantomas | interested* |
| 16:35.32 | Optic | haha |
| 16:35.36 | Optic | that's a great faq, thanks :) |
| 16:35.49 | fantomas | nvz: I mean the core, not the way they packaged and distributed |
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| 16:37.20 | nvz | fantomas: afaik the drivers are propriatary and binary and there is no way for them to be different other than the way they are packaged |
| 16:37.27 | Buchannon | is there a reason why my new debian installation is accepting connections in, but can't download anything? I just made /etc/network/interfaces static |
| 16:38.09 | fantomas | nvz: hah... then I see no reason to use nvidia .run anymore! |
| 16:38.18 | nvz | fantomas: for better performance buy a better card :P |
| 16:38.25 | fantomas | nvz: :) |
| 16:38.51 | lurker99 | Buchannon, TCP established or open. Possibly ng gateway or default route. |
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| 16:39.17 | nvz | you are tainting your kernel either way.. but at least if you do it the debian way, you will not end up with a broken X server on upgrades |
| 16:39.24 | lurker99 | Buchannon, /open./open? |
| 16:41.08 | Buchannon | lurker99: sorry was afk - how do I test that? |
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| 16:41.35 | lurker99 | Buchannon, netstat -at |
| 16:41.56 | fantomas | nvz: as far as I understood I have to use debian kernels to get nvidia stuff working properly? I think so because I can't lead recommendations of dpkg about m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia - it can't find suitable nvidia kernel sources... |
| 16:42.01 | jetscreamer | !xdm5 |
| 16:42.03 | spec | Heya, I'm using start-stop-daemon to set up an ssh tunnel, I use -m and --pidfile so that I can monitor it ... but the number written to the pidfile is not the PID of ssh (which is --exec'd), it's usually one-off, what givs? :-/ |
| 16:42.06 | jetscreamer | !xmd5 |
| 16:42.07 | dpkg | [x md5sum] If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are running <Xor |
| 16:42.27 | jetscreamer | !xorgmd5 |
| 16:42.27 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf/md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've mad |
| 16:42.41 | Buchannon | 4 TCP's, they are all listening lurker99 |
| 16:43.09 | lurker99 | spec: it's the root pid for the process before it spawns the session pid. |
| 16:43.14 | nvz | fantomas: thats not true.. you just need to build your kernels the debian-way for it all to work right. |
| 16:43.21 | spec | lurker99: that means it's the PID of ... start-stop-daemon? |
| 16:43.34 | Buchannon | lurker99: I've had this problem before, but I can't remember what happened... |
| 16:43.55 | spec | lurker99: oh, ssh spawns a session, and thus has a different pid? |
| 16:44.11 | lurker99 | spec: k |
| 16:44.33 | Buchannon | lurker99: any ideas? |
| 16:45.00 | Buchannon | when I do ifconfig, it just gives me another prompt and doesn't print anything out =x |
| 16:45.00 | spec | how should I monitor an ssh tunnel, if start-stop-daemon's pidfile isn't really the PID i wanna monitor? |
| 16:45.07 | spec | Buchannon: ifconfig -a |
| 16:46.19 | lurker99 | Buchannon, a 'traceroute' out gives? |
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| 16:46.56 | Buchannon | well - it's working now.... and I didn't change anything |
| 16:46.58 | Buchannon | soooo |
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| 16:47.41 | Buchannon | wait, it's still weird... |
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| 16:48.15 | CyberMad | is this possible: PC 2 "vnc 1" (employee ~ 192.168.1.2) - PC 1 "vnc 1" (192.168.1.1 ~ admin ~ public IP) - Internet - PC 3 "vnc 3" (my PC), so i will access the vnc server from PC 3 to PC 1, then from PC 1 i will open vnc to PC 2 ? |
| 16:48.19 | Buchannon | now it's not accepting putty connections either... something is screwing with the network or something... |
| 16:48.34 | sdogi | i'm just wondering.. is there are a tool that draws graphical overview of your site.. link what page links to what page.. or something that creates logical sitemap of your site. like a structured sitemap or something? |
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| 16:48.55 | nvz | CyberMad: haha.. I am sure its possible though not practical |
| 16:49.34 | fantomas | nvz: then instructions of dpkg about nvidia is probably wrong since this method doesn't work for me. m-a a-i nvidia says it can't find nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:49.41 | Buchannon | lurker99: when I try to do traceroute it says unknown host... that's what was wrong before, something about my DNS being off |
| 16:49.41 | nvz | CyberMad: you need to tunnel directly where you are going, vnc is slow enough without running it encapsulated inside itself |
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| 16:49.46 | fantomas | wait, what repository has nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 16:49.48 | CyberMad | because i will do monitoring for our branch office |
| 16:49.54 | Buchannon | lurker99: where is the config option to change my DNS again? |
| 16:49.58 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 16:50.13 | poonj | what is a good video-over-ip program? |
| 16:50.18 | CyberMad | nvz how to do tunnel? |
| 16:50.40 | nvz | fantomas: I only had the chance to test 1 nvidia card, and I used nvidia's drivers so I am no expert on the debian way |
| 16:51.00 | lurker99 | spec: grep the pid out of a ps-ef? eg: "myid 14008 14004 0 12:25 ? 00:00:00 sshd: myid@pts/0" -> 14008 |
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| 16:51.35 | nvz | CyberMad: well you have what is it, PC3 needs to get to PC2 which is behind NAT PC1? |
| 16:51.42 | Buchannon | someone the DNS of comcast gets deleted and I have to just re-enter it... but where is the file where I do that again? |
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| 16:52.14 | CyberMad | nvz yes.. :) |
| 16:52.38 | nvz | CyberMad: confusing :P |
| 16:52.47 | spec | lurker99: does it sound reasonable to: ps aux |grep `cat tunnel.pid|cut -b -3` |grep ssh|grep -v grep|awk {'print $2'} |
| 16:53.31 | lurker99 | spec: static /etc/hosts resolver /etc/resolv.conf [warning: this is not the debian configs way] |
| 16:53.37 | mikefoo | so if a server has hardware raid, all I have to do is a normal install and everything is raided, yes? |
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| 16:53.55 | spec | Buchannon: ^^ that was for you |
| 16:54.03 | CyberMad | nvz never mind.. better i try it :) |
| 16:54.07 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 16:54.08 | spec | mikefoo: yes, in general |
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| 16:54.17 | mikefoo | ok |
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| 16:54.19 | nvz | CyberMad: cant you just forward port 5901 on PC1 to PC2 in iptables.. so when you vnc to PC1 it just connects to PC2? |
| 16:54.28 | jetscreamer | !tell fantomas -about hwinfo |
| 16:54.44 | jetscreamer | fantomas: hwinfo is good for the refresh rates |
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| 16:55.26 | jetscreamer | fantomas: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log also. if you can't use dpkg-reconfigure, just fix the xorg.conf manually |
| 16:55.51 | lurker99 | spec: whatever works... :-) be careful + test throughly. wouldn't want to kill th wrong process. [ask urself what happens if 2 similar processes are running? ] |
| 16:56.21 | jetscreamer | fantomas says md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum doesn't work for him... i've been there done that iirc.. what's the fix? |
| 16:56.36 | row | Is there a easy way to limit all java procs to a max cpu+ram % usage with ulimit or whatever or is it rather complex? |
| 16:56.38 | Buchannon | spec: ah - found it... I just needed to edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:56.46 | spec | lurker99: ah, yes, i should add a grep for username in there |
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| 16:59.05 | inc|freaky | hi all. any1 in here using vsftpd and can tell me, why someone wouldnt be able to login. even the password and login are correct? |
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| 16:59.35 | jetscreamer | speak! |
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| 17:00.35 | nvz | read, read, read, the log, before you go insane, because if you read the log, you won't strain your brain.. oh, read, read, read the log... |
| 17:00.45 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:01.52 | CyberMad | nvz i will try it later :) thanks anyway for your valuable information |
| 17:01.53 | nvz | man, I am gonna think about that one when I sit down tonight.. I just cant decide if its more of a piano or guitar tune |
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| 17:02.51 | nvz | I guess I will have to d/l an mp3 of row, row, row, your boat and see what that one was like |
| 17:03.22 | nvz | sounds like more of a piano tune to me |
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| 17:05.05 | jetscreamer | heavy metal |
| 17:05.15 | jetscreamer | READ! READ THE LOG! |
| 17:05.31 | jetscreamer | deathmetal |
| 17:07.36 | grendal_prime | im unable to write to my smb shares from another linux machine |
| 17:08.36 | grendal_prime | i mount it like so, smbmount //myserversip/myfolder /mnt/myfolder |
| 17:08.49 | fantomas | I see this error message in xorg logs: dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: __glXLastContext |
| 17:09.07 | blondie | the internets are being turned off soon |
| 17:09.09 | grendal_prime | allows me to connect, annon but i get an error everytime i try and write anything to it |
| 17:09.22 | blondie | grendal_prime: as root? |
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| 17:09.26 | grendal_prime | a permissions error |
| 17:09.27 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 17:09.32 | grendal_prime | as root. |
| 17:10.00 | jetscreamer | fantomas: if you are using an nvidia card, you do not want gl_core or dri enabled in xorg.conf |
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| 17:10.35 | fantomas | jetscreamer: then how will I get GL working? |
| 17:11.29 | jetscreamer | fantomas: you just don't want it enabled in the xorg.conf, it will autoload. (the directives in the .conf, if they exist, are a leftover) |
| 17:11.57 | grendal_prime | blondie, im trying to run an applicatioin for cloning a partion on a windows mcahine...its a bootable cloning cd but im mounting the dir on another machine so i can creat the image onto another machine |
| 17:12.08 | jetscreamer | fantomas: are you running sarge or etch or what |
| 17:12.14 | grendal_prime | i get a permissions error though |
| 17:12.20 | fantomas | jetscreamer: just moved to etch, so much pain... |
| 17:12.33 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:12.38 | jetscreamer | you want to read... |
| 17:12.40 | fantomas | jetscreamer: do I need to left "glx" module? |
| 17:13.00 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ |
| 17:13.03 | jetscreamer | yes glx good |
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| 17:13.57 | jetscreamer | fantomas: this script wil function under etch. http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh it will install the nvidia binary and amend your xorg.conf |
| 17:14.00 | Cooner750 | Alright, what can I do to get FTP working right? |
| 17:14.10 | jetscreamer | it's not the debian way, but IT WORKS |
| 17:14.53 | jetscreamer | fantomas: also i gave you a link to a working xorg.conf |
| 17:15.01 | jetscreamer | for an example |
| 17:15.23 | Zta | Um, I need help to configure my route. I have eth0 (10.0.0.3) and eth1 (10.0.0.33). I want all access to 10.0.0.* to pass though eth0 since its a faster rj45 cable; the rest I want routed though eth1. Is that possible? |
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| 17:16.09 | Cooner750 | i'm using vsftpd and I am unable to get it working correctly. Couldn't I just install pureftp and pureadmin? |
| 17:16.19 | Zta | I'm doing backup to a local box. And I though it could be nice to be able to browse (though not so overloaded device) meanwhile. |
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| 17:16.38 | zepeuga | its SATA supported in debian ? |
| 17:16.46 | zepeuga | in last release |
| 17:16.49 | cydork | zepeuga: yes |
| 17:16.51 | seeds | yes |
| 17:16.53 | roxy_ | liable: ping |
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| 17:17.09 | seeds | am using etch with a sata drive 120gigs |
| 17:17.24 | Optic | woo, i seem to be running sarge stable again :) |
| 17:17.48 | cydork | zepeuga: what is the problem? |
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| 17:18.39 | zepeuga | cydork, i have a sata disk and i want to install debian, and don't know if will detect my disk |
| 17:19.01 | cydork | !etch sata |
| 17:19.02 | dpkg | If you have a SATA Atapi CD-ROM drive, you may run into some problems while installing Debian etch. Check for details http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
| 17:19.42 | cydork | zepeuga: ^^ this is the workaround. |
| 17:19.42 | zepeuga | not cdrom, harddisk |
| 17:19.50 | roxy_ | Hi, I got 2 iptables rules: (just 2 lines) |
| 17:20.00 | roxy_ | iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set |
| 17:20.00 | roxy_ | iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 120 --hitcount 2 -j DROP |
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| 17:20.59 | cydork | zepuga: it doesn't have any probs with harddisks AFAIK!! |
| 17:21.21 | stylesen | I run debian sarge 3.1.. Is it possible to use xgl desktop in it? |
| 17:21.34 | roxy_ | It was meant to drop a second ssh connection from the same address but unfortunetly I can't ssh at all, what is wrong ? |
| 17:22.42 | Knorrie | roxy_: add a LOG line before the drop and look what sort of traffic is dropped |
| 17:23.38 | aztech_ | stylesen: sarge won't run Xgl. It is using XFree86, you have to run a fairly new Xorg for Xgl |
| 17:24.22 | lurker99 | roxy_: you might want to narrow down the filter: -> proto tcp, port nn, [ but i'm no SME... ] |
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| 17:24.28 | zepeuga | zepeuga, so i won't have problems if i have a sata harddisk ? |
| 17:24.33 | roxy_ | Knorrie: they are logged: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jw8dDD84.html |
| 17:25.04 | lurker99 | roxy_: the way you have it, even icmp's would trip it... |
| 17:25.32 | zepeuga | cydork, so i won't have problems if i have a sata harddisk ? |
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| 17:25.45 | cydork | zepuga: Nope!!! |
| 17:25.46 | roxy_ | lurker99: do you think my router is first talking to my machine as new, then the ssh ? |
| 17:25.46 | zepeuga | cydork, i don't need to load any kernel ? |
| 17:25.47 | tjansson | Is there any default firewall in debian? |
| 17:25.48 | Knorrie | hm yes *every* NEW packet triggers it |
| 17:25.52 | stylesen | Is it possible to get xgl on debian sarge? |
| 17:25.53 | Knorrie | tjansson: no |
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| 17:26.19 | cydork | zepuga: Nope! |
| 17:26.23 | Knorrie | stylesen: perhaps look on backports.org for xorg packages... |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | stylesen: it might be .. but what video card do you have ? |
| 17:26.47 | Knorrie | roxy_: try adding --dport 22 |
| 17:26.52 | zepeuga | cydork, ok |
| 17:27.05 | tjansson | Knorrie: Strange then - my server accepts ssh connections from local arear networks but refuses connection from router? |
| 17:27.14 | stew | stylesen: if you wish to run xgl on debian, it won't matter which version of debian you are running, you are going to need to use xorg + mesa + glint + xgl all from unofficial/unsopported sources |
| 17:27.47 | roxy_ | lurker99, Knorrie: but on the log the 2 connections are dpt 22 |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | and Xgl works on what .. nvidia 6xxx + and ati 9700 + ? |
| 17:28.08 | tjansson | eventhough i did make a port forwarding through the router |
| 17:28.13 | Knorrie | tjansson: /etc/hosts.allow/deny? |
| 17:28.13 | stew | abrotman: it aparantly works on some ati x series cards |
| 17:28.38 | Knorrie | roxy_: IN= OUT=eth0 -> are these logs for outgoing requests? |
| 17:28.42 | Knorrie | from |
| 17:29.02 | stylesen | stew: Oh thank you... |
| 17:29.17 | Trewas | abrotman: it also works on integrated intel chips, though it wass quite slow at least on my laptop |
| 17:29.23 | roxy_ | Knorrie: I tried to ssh from my box to my box using my dyndns address |
| 17:29.29 | stylesen | stew: can you give me the exact URL of the repos? |
| 17:29.41 | tjansson | Knorrie: /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny are empty |
| 17:29.57 | abrotman | Trewas: FSVO worked :) |
| 17:30.07 | abrotman | Trewas: i suspect you mean the i9xx series? |
| 17:30.11 | stew | stylesen: i dont' know of any |
| 17:30.24 | sid | How do I apply a file.patch? |
| 17:30.26 | abrotman | stew: thee ati x series are higher than the 9700 i think |
| 17:30.31 | lurker99 | roxy_: hmmm. don't know. i'd have to play. [ logs. tcpdump. etc... ] |
| 17:30.32 | abrotman | sid: man patch |
| 17:30.36 | Knorrie | roxy_: try to ssh to the address assigned to eth0 |
| 17:30.58 | stew | stylesen: xgl hasn't even been released yet. it might never be in debian as many people are looking at aiglx to be a better solution |
| 17:31.19 | stew | stylesen: you are not likely to see it in debian at least until it has been released so it doesn't depend on cvs versions of mesa and glint |
| 17:31.35 | Knorrie | tjansson: iptables -L shows if there are any firewall rules active, but probably the problem is @ the router |
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| 17:32.14 | gteppel | I just setup a OpenVPN server (Tunnel Mode) and I'm forcing everything to go though the vpn gateway by default, but I'm running into trouble connecting to clients in my lan. I can ping their ips but there hostnames no longer resolve. On my tun0 inteface I'm pushing dns servers from my openvpn server's ISP. Do I need to add my lan dns servers to the client tun0 device?? |
| 17:32.20 | Trewas | abrotman: 915GM according to lspci |
| 17:32.20 | roxy_ | Knorrie: refused: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ghSIyI39.html |
| 17:32.37 | abrotman | Trewas: yeah .. i have an 8xx in my laptop .. i'm not sure that'll work at all |
| 17:32.52 | stylesen | stew: But I heard this xgl thingy will be there in etch... |
| 17:32.58 | tjansson | Knorrie: There is no rules - hmm the router does say that it will forward port 15 to port 22 on the server, but maybe it doesn't |
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| 17:33.04 | stew | stylesen: no, it wont |
| 17:33.22 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 17:33.49 | stylesen | stew: Oh... will there be any equivalent for that? |
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| 17:34.15 | stew | stylesen: not likely in etch |
| 17:34.30 | abrotman | does ubuntu have xgl/aiglx? |
| 17:34.38 | stew | abrotman: ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:34.51 | Knorrie | roxy_: SRC=192.168.1.105 DST=192.168.0.105 <- 2 different adresses? |
| 17:35.10 | abrotman | stew: no freaking way .. last time i went in there .. they told me they wouldn't support Debian in #ubuntu .. can you believe that?!?! |
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| 17:35.30 | Trewas | abrotman: xgl is in dapper |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | maybe that would be a solution for stylesen |
| 17:35.52 | roxy_ | Knorrie: I didn't notice it, thanks . wtf is it ? |
| 17:35.54 | Trewas | and I think it should work with i8xx too, but I'm not sure... aren't they using the same driver anyway? |
| 17:36.16 | abrotman | but it's not the same hardware |
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| 17:36.50 | stylesen | I have a compaq nx6110 lap, I have problems with my touchpad in Debian sarge.. Is there any easy gui tool do have a quick workaround? |
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| 17:37.29 | Knorrie | roxy_: iptables -I adds a rule to the begin of the ruleset... so the second rule you added gets hit before the first, maybe another hint to a solution? |
| 17:37.36 | stylesen | I tried googling and found some link and changed some parameters in XF86Config but there is some weird problem... |
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| 17:38.28 | roxy_ | Knorrie: sorry, I made a mistake. I can ssh to myself "ssh 192.168.1.105" but not using my dyndns address: "ssh roxy.dyndns.org" |
| 17:38.32 | Knorrie | roxy_: and iirc if the ip address on eth0 is 192.168.1.105, traffic from 192.168.1.105 to 192.168.1.105 will show up as IN=lo OUT=lo |
| 17:38.45 | Vasistha | stylesen: what kind of problems? does simple movement of the touchpad result in strange erratic movement and random button presses? |
| 17:39.12 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you guys should make the debian tshirts in those mesh materials (= |
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| 17:39.41 | Knorrie | roxy_: try the dyndns address from an external machine |
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| 17:40.11 | Knorrie | roxy_: and probably you want to set some exceptions to this rules :) |
| 17:40.12 | stylesen | Vasistha: double clicks doesn work properly... |
| 17:40.22 | abrotman | isn't that a software thing? |
| 17:41.18 | Vasistha | stylesen: you're using the 2.6 kernel, huh? I haven't gotten it working on my compaq laptop yet, so I probably shouldn't try to help :P there may be an issue with the synaptics driver, though |
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| 17:42.42 | stylesen | Vasistha: I use 2.6.8 kernel... |
| 17:42.51 | stylesen | Vasistha: We are sailing on the same boat :) |
| 17:43.18 | Vasistha | stylesen: I'm using 2.4.27 -- what I meant is I haven't gotten the 2.6 kernel working yet |
| 17:43.28 | stylesen | Vasistha: I also have a FC4 which I use in my workplace, in that it is perfect... |
| 17:43.39 | stylesen | Vasistha: Oh cool... |
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| 17:45.19 | Vasistha | stylesen: mine's an armada 1750, made in 1998, so it's pretty happy with the older kernel. At any rate, the three things I know are: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (one has to get all the right settings) /boot/grub/menu.lst (psmouse.proto=???) and that synaptics driver + evdev kernel module |
| 17:46.16 | stylesen | Vasistha: menu.lst? Do we have to do anything for touchpad in that? |
| 17:46.24 | spec | lurker99: thanks for the help, it's working great. every 5 seconds is probably excessive, oh well :p |
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| 17:46.46 | Vasistha | stylesen: one has to pass the kernel the right psmouse.proto in the kernel boot line |
| 17:47.14 | stylesen | Vasistha: Oops I dont know that... I ll dig into that... |
| 17:47.22 | keith80403 | Sarge, using CUPS printing system. Had duplicate printer definition for my HP Officejet - deleted both in CUPS, how do I get one of them back? |
| 17:47.33 | Vasistha | stylesen: I use psmouse.proto=imps |
| 17:47.53 | stylesen | Vasistha: This is a kernel argument right? |
| 17:47.58 | Vasistha | keith80403: look for a backup file? what editor did you use? |
| 17:48.03 | Vasistha | stylesen: yeah |
| 17:48.06 | keith80403 | Is there a way to have CUPS scan for printer definitions and present them in a list? |
| 17:48.14 | stylesen | Vasistha: Do we have to enable anything for that while compiling the kernel? |
| 17:48.37 | Vasistha | stylesen: I'm not at all sure, I also have never successfully compiled a custom kernel that worked |
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| 17:48.46 | keith80403 | Vasistha, I used the CUPS web browser interface. |
| 17:48.56 | stylesen | Vasistha: Oh okie :) |
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| 17:49.24 | Vasistha | stylesen: now you know you're not getting help from a seasoned expert ;-) |
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| 17:50.26 | Vasistha | in fact, I need to go eat breakfast, good luck, guys |
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| 17:51.10 | stylesen | Vasistha: Hehehe will it be apt if I say we are on the same boat now? :o |
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| 17:51.51 | stylesen | Vasistha: Hey I really dont know, you may be an expert :) but am still a kid in debian :) |
| 17:52.11 | keith80403 | Vasistha, Never mind, I found it. Thanks anyway. |
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| 17:52.19 | abrotman | expert? |
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| 17:52.46 | stylesen | abrotman: whats that? |
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| 17:52.51 | yff | hi |
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| 17:53.37 | grendal_prime | hey abrotman this is making me nuts |
| 17:54.01 | abrotman | grendal_prime: arrrggh! |
| 17:54.11 | grendal_prime | i need to connect to an smb share on my linuxbox from another linux box, it mounts, but will not allow the annonomus user to write?? |
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| 17:54.39 | grendal_prime | i get an error about -2? |
| 17:54.42 | abrotman | grendal_prime: well .. i'd guess we need to see the smb.conf .. and the permissions on the export directory |
| 17:54.43 | grendal_prime | im assuming permission |
| 17:54.43 | yff | is there a postfix guru in here ? |
| 17:54.47 | abrotman | #postfix ? |
| 17:54.49 | yff | tired postfix |
| 17:54.56 | yff | dont seems to be much help |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | is it on debian? |
| 17:55.04 | grendal_prime | ya, i though i had that all correct |
| 17:55.06 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 17:55.12 | grendal_prime | its debian |
| 17:55.12 | yff | abrotman : postfix ? yes |
| 17:55.16 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i was asking yff |
| 17:55.19 | grendal_prime | o |
| 17:55.23 | yff | abrotman : yes |
| 17:55.27 | abrotman | yff: so ask your question .. if it's too complicated .. we'll have you wait in #postfix |
| 17:55.36 | abrotman | grendal_prime: paste the stuff already |
| 17:55.44 | yff | abrotman : ok.... |
| 17:55.55 | yff | first i need a paste link for main.cf |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:55.59 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 17:56.18 | yff | thanks |
| 17:56.32 | yff | one moment then i have to restart server |
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| 17:58.05 | yff | abrotman : server will be up within 2-3 minutes then ill get the logfiles and all needed to test my postfix server |
| 17:58.56 | yff | abrotman : i have changed some settings in main.cf due to to much spam... now i get 504 error that postfix cant find the hostnam for the helo command. |
| 17:59.05 | yff | Postfix says : localhost |
| 17:59.54 | nvz | I was sitting here loading my thumbdrive up with some guitar tab this site I used to go to for tab now says some shit like downloading of these files was stopped pending a copyright "fair use" dispute.. heh half these idiots dont even come close to tabbing them right I dont know who is disputing the people tabbing or the people who wrote the songs but in either case theres no need to dispute poorly tabbed music |
| 17:59.57 | yff | abrotman : all mail get removed before landing in the inbox of the recepient |
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| 18:00.22 | yff | abrotman : ill just send a testmail and then post the log result |
| 18:00.25 | abrotman | cute |
| 18:00.28 | stylesen | pravs: sumba... |
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| 18:01.01 | enouf | nvz: "tabs" are for browsers -- "Ears" are for music ;-) |
| 18:01.03 | abrotman | dpkg: seen bbrazil |
| 18:01.04 | dpkg | bbrazil <i=bbrazil@matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 78d 5h 13m 50s ago, saying: 'blondie: ftps'. |
| 18:01.09 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 18:01.19 | DocOC | yff: here's a little hint I learned about for making sure changes to production server config files don't bork you. use rcs to do revision control on config files, so you can rollback changes if they knock you out, even if it is small incremental changes over time... |
| 18:01.22 | yff | abrotman : what mail log file do you need ? |
| 18:01.29 | yff | i have 3 or 4 different log files ? |
| 18:01.31 | abrotman | yff: your main.cf might be a good start |
| 18:01.37 | yff | ok one moment then |
| 18:02.48 | yff | abrotman : postfix main.cf : http://pastebin.ca/113593 |
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| 18:03.19 | yff | abrotman : mail.log cumming up |
| 18:03.25 | nvz | enouf: heh, yeah some things I can get by ear now.. and usually you gotta use your ears even with tab cause its not usually right.. I just havent learned enough to pickout many chords below the 3rd fret :P |
| 18:04.48 | yff | lol |
| 18:04.59 | abrotman | smtpd_banner = $myhostname VHCS2 2.4 Spartacus Managed ESMTP 2.4.6 |
| 18:05.29 | yff | abrotman = it is from vhcs2 |
| 18:05.46 | enouf | nvz: keep trying (rhink out of the "box") and endeavor into other resources, like 'jamming' with peapole ;-) (<==ppl misspellld - that's from this morning) |
| 18:05.54 | yff | abrotman : mail.log : http://pastebin.ca/113597 |
| 18:05.59 | DocOC | mm, yff, I think you got confused about how to comment a config file. Look at how you commented out your old hostname. |
| 18:06.02 | nvz | enouf: I know a bit about music theory I am even kind of developing a new guitar method and when I get around to it some software too. my method focuses on technique and theory rather than playing songs.. I just like to play songs cause it motivates me and I use them to practice. |
| 18:06.03 | enouf | s/rhink/think doh |
| 18:06.27 | yff | DocOC : how will you do it then ? |
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| 18:06.39 | du | hi all i have a problem with samba |
| 18:06.53 | du | i can't see windows pc in network with gnome |
| 18:06.55 | DocOC | yff: not like a c++ source. Do it with #, just like all the auto-generated commented lines in the file. |
| 18:06.57 | nvz | enouf: yeah my buddy gave me the guitar I have now cause I left mine in Texas.. he wants to "jam with me" all the time.. but he just goes nuts and never stays on any identifiable path that you can follow.. |
| 18:07.02 | yff | LOL : # |
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| 18:07.16 | yff | ill do that thanks |
| 18:07.18 | abrotman | yff: your $myhostname is not a FQDN, your $mydestination probably needs localhost (and make sure localhost is in your /etc/hosts) |
| 18:07.19 | DocOC | could be the root of your problem... |
| 18:07.32 | enouf | nvz: excellent -- however bands make music (sprinkle with chemistry) ...atleast that's the old school method I know.... |
| 18:07.40 | du | can anyone help me? |
| 18:07.44 | yff | abrotman : im newbie, so please i need serious help here.... |
| 18:08.10 | abrotman | !fqdn |
| 18:08.10 | nvz | enouf: I am slow at learning the guitar but I can at least tell you what I am playing.. I tell him, I am here.. this is my progression and he just looks at me like I am talking a foreign language |
| 18:08.10 | dpkg | fqdn is, like, Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 18:08.14 | yff | abrotman : ill paste /etc/hosts |
| 18:08.26 | abrotman | the domain name is not sufficient |
| 18:08.36 | yff | what do i then tell postfix ? |
| 18:08.43 | enouf | nvz: try some new "buddies" ... but let's chill a bit -- not get too off-topic ...ok ;-) |
| 18:08.46 | abrotman | IOW .. try like mail.brugtbazar.dk |
| 18:08.46 | yff | im confused |
| 18:08.47 | roxy_ | Knorrie: Got it to work, I had other issue. |
| 18:08.54 | abrotman | and fix DNS also |
| 18:09.18 | yff | hmm... it have worked before i tried to fix the spamming in postfix |
| 18:09.34 | DocOC | talk to you all soon, I gotta go to the local coffee shop and enjoy their air-conditioning. |
| 18:09.48 | yff | abrotman : im running virtual domains here... does that matter ? |
| 18:10.22 | enouf | nvz: BTW -- I admire your enthusiasm - don't lose that .. |
| 18:10.28 | abrotman | yff: i don't run virtual domains .. nfc |
| 18:10.28 | yff | abrotman : what information do you need to a start ? i have a main.cf that works, but im getting to much spam |
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| 18:10.42 | yff | abrotman : so i tried to figure out how to stop it |
| 18:10.52 | abrotman | yff: so put that back in place .. and then start with UCE controls |
| 18:11.03 | yff | abrotman : will you help me out with that ? |
| 18:11.16 | abrotman | http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
| 18:11.26 | yff | one moment... my configuration is : amavis-new, postfix, spamassassin and clamav |
| 18:11.32 | abrotman | http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt |
| 18:12.00 | yff | abrotman : i followed that link jimsun - that is what is giving me problems |
| 18:12.17 | yff | ill find the old main.cf one moment |
| 18:13.18 | yff | is it enought to restart amavis and postfix in the mentioned order after new main.cf ? |
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| 18:14.55 | yff | abrotman : ill paste the old main.cf to you |
| 18:15.03 | abrotman | no idea about amavis .. restarting postfix should read it |
| 18:15.35 | yff | http://pastebin.ca/113668 |
| 18:15.42 | nvz | enouf: yeah you should see my radical approach at guitar method. it all started when I summed up all the big thick guitar books I read into a single sheet of paper I called my music theory chart. covers scales, chords, progression.. you can get it all in one sheet of paper (just for standard tuning which is why it needs to become an interactive computer program one day) and my idea is to start out simple no strings, feeling the guitar, air gu |
| 18:15.48 | yff | well restarted both and postfix is now working |
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| 18:15.57 | yff | but know the problem is to much spam. |
| 18:16.06 | jade | many connections are made to port 10000, how can i kill them? |
| 18:16.16 | yff | first of all the helo seems to be a problem |
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| 18:17.07 | abrotman | yff: and that works ? |
| 18:17.44 | nvz | jade: well you would probably start by figuring out what's listening on port 10000 |
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| 18:18.00 | yff | abrotman : the last paste ? yes that works : http://pastebin.ca/113668 |
| 18:18.09 | yff | but i getting to much spam.... |
| 18:18.14 | abrotman | ok .. so start from there .. make incremental changes |
| 18:18.15 | yff | thats my problem.... |
| 18:18.25 | abrotman | reject pipelining |
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| 18:18.39 | abrotman | use an RBL if you're not opposed to those |
| 18:18.50 | yff | one moment... |
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| 18:19.18 | abrotman | no crap |
| 18:19.28 | abrotman | sng: i choose .. a mandoline! |
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| 18:19.44 | yff | :-) |
| 18:19.58 | abrotman | yff: pick the ones you want .. don't just take his entire thing |
| 18:20.09 | abrotman | yff: you need to understand what each of those do |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | or try postgrey |
| 18:20.14 | yff | abrotman : im aware of that |
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| 18:20.25 | sng | abrotman: Mandolines at dawn!! |
| 18:20.38 | abrotman | things like unknown_sender_domain are probably good |
| 18:20.38 | yff | i have read it and figured almost all out, but i got trapped in the helo problem |
| 18:20.42 | sng | It's on! |
| 18:20.46 | abrotman | sng: i will turn you into FRITES! |
| 18:21.16 | sng | abrotman: Not if I turn you into slaw first! |
| 18:21.20 | yff | abrotman : in the order he have showed ? |
| 18:21.25 | abrotman | sng: FRITES i say! |
| 18:21.30 | sng | SLAW!!! |
| 18:21.42 | blondie | weirdos |
| 18:21.45 | abrotman | yff: that's part of learning how to do it! .. try incremental steps .. learn what each does! |
| 18:21.51 | nnico | I want to get a new TV/Sat tuner, any idea? Hauppage? |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | sng: i will use cross cut too! |
| 18:22.06 | nvz | I got a bunch of weird ports listening on my pc too I realized today.. the 22, 80, 139, 445 I know about cause thats my SSH, Apache, and Samba services.. but I had other ports I think they were like 4, 5, 25.. stuff like that I had no idea why they were listening |
| 18:22.06 | sng | abrotman: I have a +6 saving throw vs cross cut!! |
| 18:22.10 | sng | abrotman: Fool!!! |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | sng: i will wear metal gloves! |
| 18:22.22 | yff | abrotman : im listening very wise :-) thanks man |
| 18:22.22 | nvz | its always a pain when you got port activity you arent expecting. |
| 18:22.36 | nvz | though I didnt fret much since I am off-line and only have a private network :P |
| 18:22.41 | sng | abrotman: No!!! My one and only weakness!!! |
| 18:22.43 | abrotman | yff: the pipelining is pretty safe .. usually the unknown_sender_domain is too |
| 18:22.44 | sng | Curse you! |
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| 18:23.07 | abrotman | sng: you sohuld have use an immulsion blender .. that would have made short work of my intenstines! |
| 18:23.15 | jelly | abrotman, yff: are you talking about someone's postfix config? |
| 18:23.16 | enouf | nvz: your "one-sheet-of-paper" sounds like what I did for my framers (Roofs, Joists, Hips, Valleys, Jacks, and even Stair Stringers)..I formulated an algebraic (and a bit trigonomic) method for Layout -- Music, for me anyway, always came from the Soul and the ears to pick apart (what you would likely term) earlier recordings ;-) |
| 18:23.21 | abrotman | jelly: yes |
| 18:23.23 | sng | abrotman: Yay! |
| 18:23.43 | sng | abrotman: But I'll have to fit a blade of some sort on the end. But I can do that! |
| 18:23.45 | abrotman | jelly: yff is trying to reduce his spam by using some of jimsun's items .. but he doesn't understand what they do .. and he overdid it |
| 18:23.54 | abrotman | sng: better with no blade! |
| 18:24.06 | enouf | nvz: ahhh... back on topic == very good here |
| 18:24.15 | sng | Everything's better with blades! |
| 18:24.17 | abrotman | jelly: rejected lots of spam .. like .. all of it :) |
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| 18:24.48 | jelly | abrotman: ahh, and ham too I presume? |
| 18:24.53 | nvz | enouf: yeah seems I am the only one who understands the thing.. I thought the color coding and shit made it pretty obvious.. heh |
| 18:24.54 | nvz | well I gotta run, later |
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| 18:25.02 | abrotman | jelly: yes |
| 18:25.04 | kementeus | hello everybody |
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| 18:25.15 | kementeus | somebody could help me with a fastcgi debian apache2 question? |
| 18:25.23 | Ronin | kementeus: you have to ask the question first |
| 18:25.27 | abrotman | sng: we should make a horror movie where everyone is killed with kitchen items :) |
| 18:25.37 | enouf | nvz: aaa - ba - duh ...right ? |
| 18:25.58 | jelly | of all the RBL, I trust only sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org enough to use is as a rejecter, the others are just a score in spamassassin |
| 18:26.12 | abrotman | jelly: i like the DUL lists |
| 18:26.14 | sng | abrotman: We should! And we could get Rachel Ray to be the love interest. I get to star! |
| 18:26.20 | abrotman | jelly: njabl i think |
| 18:26.24 | sng | abrotman: And I already called it!!! |
| 18:26.29 | sng | Pwned. |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | sng: star as what? the killer? |
| 18:26.36 | yff | abrotman : what rbls would you suggest ? |
| 18:26.50 | sng | abrotman: The guy who gets to make out with Ms. Ray. :D |
| 18:26.56 | enouf | !blow abrotman |
| 18:27.04 | abrotman | sng: can i have the italian food-porn lady?> |
| 18:27.07 | yff | spamhaus only...notto get to many false ? |
| 18:27.19 | abrotman | yff: spamhaus and njabl .. they seem ok |
| 18:27.21 | kementeus | Ronin, I've configured fastcgi and apache2 in debian in as this website http://blog.robinz.info/archives/2006/03/07/how-to-config-fastcgi-with-apache2-in-debian/ |
| 18:27.28 | kementeus | but now I can't access to my server |
| 18:27.29 | sng | abrotman: Sure. She's gone all *way* skinny I lost interest in her months ago. |
| 18:27.39 | abrotman | sng: and we can kill emeril with a melon baller! |
| 18:27.46 | kementeus | it says "You don't have permission to access /apache2-default/ on this server." |
| 18:27.48 | yff | njabl ? adress pls |
| 18:27.52 | kementeus | what is wrong? |
| 18:28.03 | abrotman | http://njabl.org/ |
| 18:28.27 | kementeus | any idea? |
| 18:28.56 | abrotman | yff: you might want to ask jelly what he thinks of njabl |
| 18:29.24 | yff | jelly : what is your opinion on njabl ? |
| 18:29.42 | abrotman | oh wait .. i might just use dynablock.njabl.org |
| 18:29.43 | yff | abrotman : reject_rbl_client Dynablock.njabl.org ?? |
| 18:29.52 | xsappyx | kementeus: silly question, but have you checked the file permissions on disk? www-data (or whatever user you are running apache as) have rights to the doc root? |
| 18:29.55 | grendal_prime | abrotman, |
| 18:30.03 | sng | abrotman: Indeed indeed. That we can. |
| 18:30.04 | grendal_prime | howabout i just chat directly to you |
| 18:30.07 | grendal_prime | and past there? |
| 18:30.10 | kementeus | yep |
| 18:30.11 | sng | abrotman: And we can steal his helicopter after! |
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| 18:30.21 | abrotman | sng: that would be grousome! |
| 18:30.24 | *** part/#debian locsmif (n=locsmif@unaffiliated/locsmif) |
| 18:30.24 | abrotman | i can't spell |
| 18:30.26 | kementeus | xsappyx: yep I did a chown www-data.www-data /var/www -R |
| 18:30.26 | abrotman | grendal_prime: eh ? |
| 18:30.32 | abrotman | grendal_prime: use a pasetbin |
| 18:30.35 | abrotman | grendal_prime: or #flood |
| 18:30.40 | yff | lol |
| 18:30.45 | yff | like #flood *G* |
| 18:31.00 | sng | abrotman: We rock. |
| 18:31.03 | grendal_prime | ok im in flood |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | sng: we're evil |
| 18:31.46 | abrotman | what is that .. the 10th DSA today ? |
| 18:31.47 | yff | abrotman : pls see #flood |
| 18:31.52 | sng | abrotman: Black and unholy. Yes. |
| 18:31.56 | enouf | nvg: Bunch-o-ports listening eh? what does 'netstat -an' tell you |
| 18:32.24 | abrotman | sng: we'd be gods in another world .. this sucks |
| 18:32.32 | jelly | yff: I haven't tried them so I can't really tell. Their removal policies don't look very reassuring though. http://njabl.org/dynablock.html |
| 18:32.44 | sng | abrotman: It does. TANJ. |
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| 18:32.59 | abrotman | bah .. sucks |
| 18:33.21 | abrotman | jelly: i guess i'm of the opinion that if you want a mail server .. you sohuld have a static IP |
| 18:33.34 | abrotman | or at least use a smart host |
| 18:33.35 | helmut | Hi. Can you tell me which java implementation is the "best" or most "complete" dsfg compatible implementation? |
| 18:33.40 | jelly | yff: however if you run spamassasin or some other scoring system that looks for other BLs they'll at least be taken into account. |
| 18:34.27 | jelly | abrotman: might be true, but even I sometimes send mail from dynamic ip, even if it's just for testing. |
| 18:34.34 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 18:34.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:34.41 | abrotman | jelly: i can't say i've heard that we've gotten good mail blocked by njabl or spamhaus |
| 18:34.41 | TARZEAU | abrotman: play some http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 18:34.53 | abrotman | TARZEAU: i know you're a total slacker .. but i'm at work :) |
| 18:35.02 | jelly | abrotman: how much traffic do you have? |
| 18:35.06 | yff | jelly : first ill start here and see if it works... thanks |
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| 18:35.21 | TARZEAU | abrotman: wanker |
| 18:35.52 | abrotman | jelly: small office .. but clients all over .. trust me .. if they'd let me .. i'd use more RBLs :) |
| 18:35.53 | DocOC | no he didn't! |
| 18:36.19 | abrotman | jelly: i'd use postgrey if it didn't cause the mail delay |
| 18:36.22 | yff | ill try and see what happens here... hope it will work |
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| 18:37.29 | jelly | abrotman: I've seen someone suggest using greylisting with 50 sec delay, which is not too bad I guess |
| 18:37.42 | yff | pew it still works |
| 18:38.16 | abrotman | jelly: no .. it's not .. i don't know how effective it would be for the spam we get though .. |
| 18:40.05 | stew | it has been incredibly effective for me |
| 18:40.32 | stew | its just annoying when someones mailer dumb and doesn't retry the mail again for 24 hours |
| 18:40.58 | stew | but i want from 50 spams a day to 2 or 3 |
| 18:41.21 | VolVE | hey all, random question, anyone know the best practices for replacing disks in a raid array with large capacity drives? |
| 18:41.34 | yff | abrotman : thanks for helping me out... so far everything is working |
| 18:41.41 | yff | just tested it |
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| 18:42.15 | yff | hopefully it will remove all the open proxies...which is 80 % of the source to my spam |
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| 18:44.49 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I don't know if I can ask it here..but I'm wondering...I'm having problems with a tv-card messing something up on hardware level |
| 18:45.00 | [Jasper] | as soon as I plug the computer in the tv signal on another tv gets messed up |
| 18:46.17 | jbalcomb | Is there a syslog server option for DHCP? I don't see one. |
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| 18:46.44 | lunitik | [Jasper]: could be weak signal to your household... that would do that... |
| 18:46.59 | kementeus | I found my trouble with fastcgi/apache2 under debian |
| 18:47.14 | [Jasper] | hmm lunitik but when my tv is plugged in there's no problem lunitik |
| 18:47.17 | [Jasper] | so that would be weird |
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| 18:47.19 | kementeus | it only denies me the access if I aggregate this line to my 000-default: |
| 18:47.21 | kementeus | SetHandler fastcgi-script |
| 18:47.23 | lunitik | [Jasper]: talk to your cable/satellite company about getting a multiplier or whatever they're called |
| 18:47.30 | kementeus | any idea what is that happening? |
| 18:47.44 | [Jasper] | lunitik that can't be the problem if a tv is working |
| 18:47.52 | [Jasper] | but a tv-card isn't |
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| 18:48.44 | lunitik | [Jasper]: thats my best guess considering the little you've said... and I used to do cable tv tech report... |
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| 18:48.58 | lunitik | support* |
| 18:49.34 | [Jasper] | lunitik I'm telling you that a tv gives no problems...but a tv-card is on the same cable |
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| 18:49.44 | [Jasper] | so that can't be cable related ? |
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| 18:50.37 | lunitik | [Jasper]: yes it can... because there is not enough strength going to the TV card when the TV is on... |
| 18:50.43 | anapivirtua | reboot |
| 18:51.10 | [Jasper] | lunitik |
| 18:51.15 | [Jasper] | I'm not talking about the same tv |
| 18:51.22 | [Jasper] | I have a tv downstairs and one upstairs |
| 18:51.26 | [Jasper] | both working fine together |
| 18:51.27 | abrotman | yff: you're welcome |
| 18:51.40 | [Jasper] | now when I get the cable from my upper tv and plug it in my tv-card the tv below gets fucked up |
| 18:51.51 | [Jasper] | but when there's a tv there it's all allright |
| 18:52.03 | estel | when using perl-tk in testing i see an error like "81e8ecc is not a hash at /usr/lib/perl5/Tk/MainWindow.pm line 55."; I haven't found anything useful yet. any ideas? |
| 18:52.51 | lunitik | [Jasper]: what I understand: tv off, tv card is fine ... tv on, tv card gets "messed up signal"... that to me says you need more signal strength to your home... |
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| 18:53.27 | lunitik | [Jasper]: good news is, most cable companies will do that at no charge ... so even if I'm wrong, it won't cost you :/ |
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| 18:53.45 | lunitik | You'll just be getting a better signal to your home |
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| 19:00.44 | roxy_ | Is there any points in installing the harden packag on an unstable ? |
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| 19:03.45 | grendal_prime | is there a way to make an ntfs partion from linux? |
| 19:03.55 | grendal_prime | fdisk ? |
| 19:04.41 | lunitik | grendal_prime: no |
| 19:04.50 | grendal_prime | crap |
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| 19:07.45 | xam | grendal_prime: why do I have a mkfs.ntfs ? |
| 19:08.19 | lunitik | xam: you installed some 3rd party ntfs driver? |
| 19:08.38 | xam | lunitik: 100% sure no |
| 19:08.48 | lunitik | xam: then no idea... |
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| 19:09.21 | xam | lunitik: it is in the ntfsprogs package |
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| 19:10.59 | cydork | lunitik: he is right! it does exists.. |
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| 19:13.19 | raz0 | Are standard debian packages compiled with any form of optimizing arguments to the compiler? |
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| 19:14.59 | grendal_prime | abrotman, hey i need to creat an ntfs partion, i did it with the windoes disk, but umm is there some other way of ding it? |
| 19:15.04 | xam | raz0: yes. Most packages are individually tested over time and then are compiled with the best optimisation options |
| 19:15.28 | grendal_prime | i mean it only took a few seconds with the win disk..i would think that its not all that complicated a thing to do..just create a partion?? |
| 19:15.58 | abrotman | grendal_prime: nfc ... i figure when creating a proprietary FS .. probably best to let the proprietary OS do it |
| 19:16.14 | grendal_prime | bummer |
| 19:16.19 | grendal_prime | ok well np i guess |
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| 19:17.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: maybe ask ##linux |
| 19:17.22 | lunitik | grendal_prime: you were pointed to ntfsprogs... I still don't think ntfs for linux is that good, but apparently it works :/ |
| 19:18.18 | xam | raz0: there was a test of distributions long time ago and debian ended up being faster than gentoo on average, since debian knew which optimisation options to choose for which package, but gentoo always used the same agressive -O2 or -O3 stuff ... |
| 19:18.36 | grendal_prime | well it would have to be some app that would be on that recovery disk, not sure if that was on there..i just figured that since mkfs can make fat parts, maybe ntfs too |
| 19:18.40 | raz0 | xam, Heh, Nice. |
| 19:19.43 | xam | raz0: I hope/think they have learned since then ... |
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| 19:20.13 | lunitik | xam: links to that data? |
| 19:20.16 | raz0 | Yeah, let's hope so. |
| 19:20.21 | terminal|giga | xam, how does debian know which optimisations to use? does the debian source mirror have a magical table to go from |
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| 19:21.38 | xam | lunitik: that was about 2 years ago ... would be defintifely an interesting read again, especially if the test were redone with current versions of debian/gentoo ... |
| 19:21.43 | andy | hi. is there a reason to not use a amd64 kernel for a i386 installation? |
| 19:21.56 | lunitik | xam: so no, no links :/ |
| 19:22.13 | lunitik | andy: is it a 64bit system? |
| 19:22.20 | andy | yes |
| 19:22.30 | lunitik | andy: then no... not really... it'd work... |
| 19:22.49 | xam | terminal: every debian-source .deb-package has a debian/rule with all the options to build this individual package |
| 19:22.58 | lunitik | andy: should give amd64 debian a try though: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 19:22.59 | andy | ok. so uhm how do i make the amd64 kernel a i386 package? dpkg-cross? |
| 19:23.28 | andy | lunitik: nah. im just making a friends wlan work for him. no idea why he didnt install a 64bit system in the first place |
| 19:24.05 | g333k | hello, I'm trying to burn a iso with nautilus, but it fails trying to erase the cd-rw... why? |
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| 19:24.27 | Cooner750 | Can anyone help me with FTP? |
| 19:24.34 | xam | lunitik: I know what you are suggesting, but you are not here long enough in this channel to know. Every person who was here 2 years ago has heard about and read the report ... |
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| 19:24.57 | cahoot | g333k: plain cdrecord from a term might give you more info about the cause |
| 19:24.58 | lunitik | xam: I was in here 2 years ago... |
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| 19:25.21 | g333k | cahoot, ok |
| 19:25.23 | lunitik | xam: been fairly regular in here for more than 4 years, and I've never seen you... |
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| 19:25.35 | xam | lunitik: as lunitik? |
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| 19:25.58 | quitte | lunitik: i dont recall having seen any of you either. |
| 19:25.59 | lunitik | xam: fearl back then... |
| 19:26.28 | raz0 | g333k, You're not providing a lot of info. |
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| 19:27.55 | lunitik | xam: quitte: /msg nickserv info lunitik ... all the nicks I've used are linked |
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| 19:29.22 | Vasistha | lunitik: *we* can't actually see them, only you can see them |
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| 19:29.32 | g333k | cahoot, raz0: I did "$cdrecord --blank=fast" and I received this output: http://pastebin.ca/113769 |
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| 19:29.43 | xam | lunitik: this is what started it all: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ after that some people did some tests, trying to find it now |
| 19:30.30 | lunitik | Vasistha: ahh... yeah, I set it private I think... fearl, lunitik, |trey|, and trey` are all the nicks I own/have used |
| 19:30.31 | raz0 | g333k, I don't know anything about it - I was just trying to help you, help yourself - if you know what I'm saying. :) |
| 19:31.48 | cahoot | g333k: Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. |
| 19:31.48 | cahoot | cdrecord: This version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code. |
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| 19:31.54 | analyzer| | hello |
| 19:32.34 | g333k | cahoot, so? |
| 19:33.08 | analyzer| | I got a problem to install unreal ircd, it says there isnt a gcc compiler, i need to know how to install gcc via shell |
| 19:33.08 | cahoot | g333k: I'm no cdrecord guru but that error seems fatal |
| 19:33.48 | g333k | cahoot, wow! it worked with my last debian installed here... I installed a new blank copy of debian.... and I have this problem |
| 19:33.55 | fasta | I would like to execute some simple environment changes before my window manager is started. What would be the appropriate file for that? |
| 19:34.00 | Adrian | analyzer|: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:34.07 | g333k | cahoot, maybe updating my pkgs |
| 19:35.13 | lunitik | g333k: you have dvd+rw-tools installed? |
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| 19:35.57 | g333k | lunitik, yep |
| 19:36.12 | analyzer| | i got a request but its n german :D |
| 19:36.24 | quitte | #debian.de |
| 19:36.28 | analyzer| | thx |
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| 19:43.35 | yff | how do i found the path to my php install ? |
| 19:43.41 | yff | trying to compile eaccelerator |
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| 19:43.53 | googlah | yff, try 'locate php' |
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| 19:44.07 | googlah | you can surely figure it out |
| 19:44.14 | yff | argh... |
| 19:44.21 | yff | damn that gives me several links |
| 19:46.03 | abrotman | yff: what are you compiling? |
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| 19:48.20 | cahoot | yff: the compilation/installation instructions in the src are actually sufficient |
| 19:49.36 | yff | hmm doesnt work |
| 19:49.50 | yff | is it possible to apt-get it and it will work from start ? |
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| 19:50.04 | yff | if i had had one installe before compiled by myself ? |
| 19:50.29 | googlah | if you remove it, yes |
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| 19:51.22 | yff | hmm.... just delete the dir ? |
| 19:51.29 | yff | http://eaccelerator.net/wiki/InstallFromSource |
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| 19:51.38 | Cooner750 | Does anyone have a guide to setting up an FTP server in Debian |
| 19:51.40 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 19:51.43 | yff | have worked ... now i got problems... someone care to help me here ? |
| 19:52.00 | yff | rebooting |
| 19:52.04 | yff | damn server *G* |
| 19:52.05 | abrotman | Cooner750: apt-get install <ftp server of your choice> |
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| 19:52.54 | Cooner750 | abrotman: Configuring? I am unable to get vsftpd working right |
| 19:52.56 | yff | abrotman : tried to compile eaccelerator... just worked 1 hour ago then upgraded php |
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| 19:53.41 | cahoot | yff: this doesn't look right for debian: export PHP_PREFIX="/opt/php" |
| 19:53.43 | yff | what do i do first... if i downloaded the source ?? |
| 19:53.55 | yff | cahoot ... have figuret it out |
| 19:54.10 | yff | ... /usr/lib/php4/20020429/ |
| 19:54.18 | yff | ... /usr/bin/phpize4 |
| 19:54.26 | yff | im getting problems in the make command |
| 19:54.31 | yff | one moment ill try it |
| 19:54.52 | yff | do i poste the output as paste in #flood ? |
| 19:55.49 | dutche- | Hi, does anybody knows why dpkg can't delete the heartbeat package, the error given is http://channels.debian.net/paste/3339 |
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| 19:56.16 | yff | cahoot >> im doing the following commands : |
| 19:56.16 | yff | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.41 | yff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.40 | yff | ./configure --enable-eaccelerator=shared --with-php-config=$PHP_PREFIX/php-config |
| 19:57.42 | cahoot | yff: the steps described in the README has worked perfectly here |
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| 19:57.49 | Cooner750 | Anyone have a guide to configure vsftpd then? |
| 19:57.52 | yff | one moment ... almost there |
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| 19:58.18 | yff | cahoot : now i get install errors... in the make command pasting in #flood |
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| 19:59.01 | googlah | Cooner750: u should be able to google that |
| 19:59.08 | DocOC | anyone know how I can make it so that a single-tap on my touchpad on my laptop doesn't translate as a double-click in xorg? |
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| 20:00.41 | DocOC | or how to disable tap-to-click translation altogether? |
| 20:01.47 | nugent | Has anyone encountered the strange layering sort of effect when using a dual head in Debian? |
| 20:02.20 | dondelelcaro | DocOC: depends on your touchpad; if it's a synaptics, it's just an option.l |
| 20:02.22 | nugent | The first desktop seems to overlay the second screen |
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| 20:02.55 | jplibre | this is a slightly lame question, but what is the proper shell quoting to get a glob * to expand on the _remote_ end of an ssh session instead of the local? for some reason I have not run into this before, but it is expanding locally which makes no sense on the remote end. |
| 20:03.13 | ChanGux | anyone can help me with bind? |
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| 20:03.45 | jplibre | ie 'ssh me@host mv /var/*blah* /var/newblahdir/' expands *blah* to match locally |
| 20:03.51 | dondelelcaro | DocOC: man synaptics; if you want to know more about the options, or use syndaemon if you're having a problem with the mouse clicking while you're typing. |
| 20:05.01 | ChanGux | anyone can help me with bind? |
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| 20:08.33 | dondelelcaro | jpinto: you want ssh me@host 'mv /var/*blah* /var/newblahdir/' |
| 20:08.39 | DocOC | dondelelcaro: do I set the synaptics option.l in xorg.conf? |
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| 20:08.54 | dondelelcaro | DocOC: if you've got a synpatics touchpad, yes. |
| 20:09.16 | DocOC | dondelelcaro: not sure if I have a synaptics touchpad. it's an old sony vaio |
| 20:09.18 | dondelelcaro | jpinto: or otherwise escape the * so they don't get globbed |
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| 20:10.01 | jplibre | dondelelcaro: there's some other issue in this case since it's inside a script that does ssh to a number of hosts ... but I see the problem now. thanks. :) |
| 20:10.33 | abrotman | ChanGux: try #bind or #dns |
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| 20:11.27 | jpinto | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 20:12.17 | yff | cahoot : thanks for your help... it finally worked |
| 20:12.30 | yff | I really appreciate it :-) |
| 20:12.33 | cahoot | yff: yw |
| 20:12.39 | yff | :-) |
| 20:12.41 | deadcat | i am going to growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /var/www/gallery; but if i do that. the finished dvd will be /dvd/* instead of /dvd/gallery/*. whats the option so it stores the gallery/ dir in the dvd as well? i dont remember |
| 20:13.15 | yff | I need a php script for cottage booking a la booking a summerhouse |
| 20:13.40 | yff | what is the best you can suggest... i have looked into several but none of them seems to have all i need |
| 20:13.54 | yff | im running on postnuke and/or joomla too |
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| 20:17.33 | AndyMcGee | Is there a $something in bash that contains the last command ? |
| 20:17.48 | dondelelcaro | jpinto: sorry, meant jplibre |
| 20:17.54 | deadcat | $_ |
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| 20:19.10 | AndyMcGee | deadcat, thats the outcome of the last command, i want the last command. To do something like watch $($last_cmd) |
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| 20:19.44 | deadcat | AndyMcGee: if you use your head. put 1+1 together |
| 20:19.56 | deadcat | or just !! |
| 20:20.38 | petemc | AndyMcGee: $_ , i think |
| 20:20.48 | petemc | oh, someone told you |
| 20:22.03 | dondelelcaro | !-1 or similar works too... |
| 20:22.26 | dondelelcaro | (!! si equivalent) |
| 20:22.37 | yff | hmm got a problem here.... |
| 20:22.50 | yff | Listed in: |
| 20:22.50 | yff | * sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org: Open proxy |
| 20:22.51 | yff | 212.129.110.182 is an open proxy, stopping analysis |
| 20:23.02 | yff | and i have the following in my main.cf |
| 20:23.26 | petemc | sbl-xbl is usually pretty relliable |
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| 20:23.49 | yff | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.49 | yff | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.04 | yff | hmm mine is wrong then ? |
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| 20:24.32 | yff | reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org - is that correct ? |
| 20:24.34 | petemc | yff: i just made a passing comment, i have no idea what your question is |
| 20:24.43 | petemc | plus i dont know postfix |
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| 20:25.25 | manta | How do I set environment variables as user before the window manager is run? I.e. in what file can I put bash commands that run before Gnome/KDE? |
| 20:25.27 | yff | hmm i need to adjust my postfix then...what do you think abrotman ? |
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| 20:26.23 | abrotman | yff: fer what? |
| 20:26.37 | abrotman | how is that a problem? |
| 20:26.40 | yff | which one is correct : |
| 20:26.46 | abrotman | which what? |
| 20:26.49 | abrotman | faster! |
| 20:26.50 | abrotman | more! |
| 20:26.54 | abrotman | betterer! |
| 20:26.55 | yff | reject_rbl_client sbl.spamhaus.org |
| 20:26.58 | yff | or |
| 20:27.07 | yff | reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org |
| 20:27.09 | yff | ?? |
| 20:27.17 | abrotman | dude .. the latter is a combination of two RBLs |
| 20:27.33 | yff | latter ? the last one ? |
| 20:27.44 | abrotman | sbl.spamhaus and xbl.spamhaus are two RBLs .. sbl-xbl.spamhaus is the two combined |
| 20:28.08 | yff | aha... then i take two since the spam went throught |
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| 20:28.58 | abrotman | getting 100% spam catching is hard .. |
| 20:29.16 | yff | i know |
| 20:29.23 | yff | but this was an open proxy |
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| 20:29.46 | yff | abuse did fint it, so i just need to reconfigure postfix to handle it |
| 20:31.29 | abrotman | so report it |
| 20:32.01 | yff | well just postfix which need configuration |
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| 20:32.12 | yff | no need to mail for one single mail through the system |
| 20:32.16 | deadcat | i am going to growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /var/www/gallery; but if i do that. the finished dvd will be /dvd/* instead of /dvd/gallery/*. whats the option so it stores the gallery/ dir in the dvd as well? i dont remember |
| 20:32.21 | yff | i got rid of 90 % |
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| 20:42.20 | deadcat | i am going to growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /var/www/gallery; but if i do that. the finished dvd will be /dvd/* instead of /dvd/gallery/*. whats the option so it stores the gallery/ dir in the dvd as well? i dont remember |
| 20:43.31 | vivijim | hi all, I have a problem. I'm using the unstable and after a dist-upgrade that I did yesterday my X are a little bit strange: Sometimes the text lines desappear and when I pass the mouse over the text appear again ... Any idea ? |
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| 20:43.47 | robin_sz | vivijim, you are using unstable |
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| 20:43.53 | vivijim | yes |
| 20:43.58 | robin_sz | exactly |
| 20:43.59 | cydork | vivijim, checked BTS? |
| 20:44.11 | vivijim | no, what is BTS ? |
| 20:44.17 | cydork | !bts |
| 20:44.17 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:44.35 | manta | How do I set environment variables as user before KDE is run when run from kdm? |
| 20:44.40 | vivijim | oh, sorry about the stupid question ! hehehe |
| 20:45.03 | robin_sz | unstable seems to spend at least some of its life broken, its jjust the way it is ... unstable. |
| 20:45.18 | vivijim | I'll look at there ! thanks |
| 20:45.32 | vivijim | hehehe |
| 20:46.26 | robin_sz | perhaps there should be another variant called "bloody suprising if it even installs!" ... |
| 20:46.37 | PasChampionDuMon | Hia, Got an hardware failure, I changed computer , keeping the same single HD with a debian. Problem: The new computer have an Intel processor (the old one an AMD). Unluckily , got only K7 kernel in grub (crashing on intel). How Can I change/setup a new image , knowing i have a live knoppix available to correct problems ? |
| 20:47.19 | dooglus | PasChampionDuMon: boot knoppix, mount and chroot into your debian partition, apt-get a new kernel |
| 20:47.21 | cydork | PasChampionDuMon, chroot !! |
| 20:47.34 | cydork | dooglus, you win :P |
| 20:47.45 | dooglus | cydork: yay me! |
| 20:47.50 | PasChampionDuMon | chroot into your debian partition :p ok going to google this things :p Thanks |
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| 20:48.38 | dooglus | PasChampionDuMon: "mkdir /mnt/debian; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/debian; chroot /mnt/debian" or similar |
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| 20:49.23 | PasChampionDuMon | dooglus: Many thanks. Will probably help a lot. |
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| 20:50.37 | dooglus | PasChampionDuMon: /dev/hda1 should be replaced which whichever partition your debian root partition is on. |
| 20:50.54 | PasChampionDuMon | ^ |
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| 20:51.53 | unseensoul | what it means "Preparations for etch beta 3 release will break most beta 2 images"? |
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| 20:52.21 | dooglus | unseensoul: it means that the work on etch will make etch break for a while |
| 20:53.08 | EdLin | unseensoul: it may also mean that the beta etch ISOs will be broken, but you can still use a sarge ISO and dist-upgrade to etch. |
| 20:53.36 | diilbertAtWork | Anyone here get their USB Card Reader working ? I can see it in the USB devices, but I can't seem to get the Filesystem mounted.... And docs that I can look at ? |
| 20:53.38 | diilbertAtWork | Thanks |
| 20:54.31 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: when you say you can see it in the usb devices, you mean that you see it in lsusb? |
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| 20:57.14 | diilbertAtWork | Vasistha: Yes |
| 20:57.28 | unseensoul | EdLin but do i need to make some modificatios while upgrading xfree86 to xorg? |
| 20:57.30 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: did you try mount /dev/sda1 /some/mount/point ? |
| 20:57.42 | unseensoul | s/modificatios/modifications |
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| 20:57.51 | diilbertAtWork | There is no sda or sdb device |
| 20:57.57 | diilbertAtWork | in the /dev folder |
| 20:58.09 | diilbertAtWork | That is where I am lost |
| 20:58.32 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: oh really ... that's rather odd, those should definitely be there ... well I suppose we can make them. Just to check, what version of debian are you using? |
| 20:59.24 | diilbertAtWork | The latest as far as I know... |
| 20:59.42 | diilbertAtWork | Where do I find the vesion |
| 21:00.12 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:00.18 | diilbertAtWork | I a3.1 |
| 21:00.20 | diilbertAtWork | 3.1 |
| 21:00.26 | Vasistha | nice, you've got stable. |
| 21:00.32 | Vasistha | aka sarge |
| 21:00.32 | diilbertAtWork | 2.6.8-2-i386 |
| 21:00.46 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: do you have anything for ls /dev/sd* |
| 21:00.47 | diilbertAtWork | That is my kernel version |
| 21:01.00 | deadcat | diilbertAtWork: just cat /proc/partitions and see if you have sda or sdb |
| 21:01.07 | diilbertAtWork | ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory |
| 21:01.26 | diilbertAtWork | major minor #blocks name |
| 21:01.26 | diilbertAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.26 | diilbertAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.26 | diilbertAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.26 | diilbertAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.26 | diilbertAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.55 | diilbertAtWork | oops |
| 21:01.56 | deadcat | guess you dont.. problem solved |
| 21:02.08 | diilbertAtWork | Did you get all that ? |
| 21:02.14 | diilbertAtWork | I won't do it again |
| 21:02.20 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: got it up to hda6 ... what have you got that is not hda? |
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| 21:02.31 | dooglus | we got as far as "3 6" |
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| 21:02.35 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: you could cat /proc/partitions | grep -v hda |
| 21:02.38 | deadcat | diilbertAtWork: what you tring to do anyway? |
| 21:02.54 | Vasistha | deadcat: usb card reader |
| 21:03.07 | deadcat | Vasistha: then maybe the usb card reader is not supported. |
| 21:03.25 | smacnay | what is the server name of the official irc channel now? |
| 21:03.32 | Vasistha | deadcat: would the device nodes not even exist? I'm on 2.4 so I'm not at all sure ... this sounds like a udev thing |
| 21:03.36 | deadcat | smacnay: /topic |
| 21:03.50 | deadcat | Vasistha: no clue |
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| 21:04.04 | smacnay | deadcat: hmm, I will look in the wikipedia |
| 21:04.29 | deadcat | smacnay: its oftc.net |
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| 21:04.42 | smacnay | deadcat: thanks |
| 21:04.43 | Vasistha | hmm, it's no longer in the topic, I guess they decided it was old news |
| 21:05.36 | smacnay | Vasistha: it is, I guess. I was using the other server but have had my computer unplugged for the last 3 weeks and a LOT of stuff I was doing is totally forgotten. |
| 21:05.38 | Vasistha | deadcat: here's what I was hypothesizing ... for whatever reason, the /dev/sd* nodes weren't created during install. I'm less thrown off by this now that several people have been in here with missing branches in their /dev trees (one girl had no /dev/null ! :-) |
| 21:06.47 | Vasistha | deadcat: anyway, so if the devices don't exist in the /dev tree /proc/partitions probably can't scan them, so perhaps all we need to do is make the nodes |
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| 21:06.47 | deadcat | Vasistha: he needs to reboot. if that dont work. reinstall |
| 21:06.47 | Vasistha | smacnay: sorry to hear that, man, I hope you didn't lose any valuable data |
| 21:06.52 | Vasistha | deadcat: rebooting isn't a bad idea, however I think it's easier to just make all the nodes with a bash script than to reinstall |
| 21:07.06 | xam | Vasistha: who needs a null device anyway? it'n not like I've ever gotten anything out of it, unlike /dev/zero! |
| 21:07.08 | Vasistha | diilbertAtWork: you've been following our discussion about you I hope? :-) |
| 21:07.10 | dooglus | smacnay: irc.debian.org works, too |
| 21:07.22 | deadcat | i am going to growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /var/www/gallery; but if i do that. the finished dvd will be /dvd/* instead of /dvd/gallery/*. whats the option so it stores the gallery/ dir in the dvd as well? i dont remember |
| 21:08.03 | Vasistha | xam: heh :-) well, she was in here complaining that firefox wouldn't start, because it was trying to redirect some output to /dev/null -- which is supposed to be writable by everyone -- but the file didn't exist, so the normal user was trying to create a normal (non-device) file called /dev/null |
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| 21:09.20 | deadcat | how come no one answers my question.. damn! |
| 21:09.30 | abrotman | karma baby |
| 21:09.34 | deadcat | i need to backup my gallery. |
| 21:09.38 | dooglus | deadcat: 'cos we don't know the answer maye |
| 21:09.40 | dooglus | maybe |
| 21:09.48 | abrotman | my answer was better |
| 21:10.04 | Vasistha | deadcat: have you considered hacking it with a couple symlinks? |
| 21:10.30 | deadcat | Vasistha: i can do taht. but i've done it from the command line. |
| 21:11.24 | deadcat | oh well. symlink it is... you win mkisofs manpage.!!!! |
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| 21:13.31 | dooglus | deadcat: "If the option -graft-points has been specified, it is possible to graft the paths at points other than the root directory |
| 21:13.43 | dooglus | deadcat: did you try that? |
| 21:13.57 | deadcat | dooglus: too late.. its burning via symlink (= |
| 21:14.05 | dooglus | heh, ok |
| 21:14.14 | deadcat | and it only burned the symlink. )= |
| 21:14.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you should be able to do something like -graft-points gallery=/var/www/gallery |
| 21:14.36 | deadcat | that sucked. (= |
| 21:14.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: dooglus thanks. |
| 21:14.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: and if you use symlinks, you want -f |
| 21:14.58 | deadcat | DAMN |
| 21:15.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: best to just use mkisofs and check with a loopback mount to make sure it got it right |
| 21:16.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah... |
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| 21:16.21 | dondelelcaro | assuming you've got the disk space, of course. |
| 21:16.28 | deadcat | oh ya.. |
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| 21:18.05 | Farger | xxxx |
| 21:18.06 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: mkisofs -R -J -graft-points gallery=/home/www-data/gallery -o /western001/blue.iso |
| 21:18.12 | deadcat | am i missing something? |
| 21:18.18 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that should work |
| 21:18.18 | smacnay | Vasistha: when I said stuff I was doing was "forgotten", I meant that I forgot commands and such. The computer is fine. |
| 21:18.30 | Vasistha | smacnay: good :-) |
| 21:18.42 | Vasistha | smacnay: you just lost your bash history |
| 21:18.49 | deadcat | mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - '-o'. |
| 21:19.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the -o may have to go before the filelist |
| 21:19.17 | deadcat | h |
| 21:19.33 | deadcat | tricky bastard (= |
| 21:19.48 | smacnay | Vasistha: I lost my memory, more or less. Lack of computer use and my small skills got much smaller. |
| 21:22.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: it created gallery/ and rr_moved/ in the iso file. |
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| 21:23.10 | M0E_lnx | can someone give me some good links to put in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:23.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... not sure what rr_moved is |
| 21:23.59 | deadcat | i think i have to add -D |
| 21:24.15 | dondelelcaro | or just -hide-rr-moved |
| 21:24.20 | deadcat | try again. |
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| 21:24.24 | dondelelcaro | so it'll be there, but you won't see it |
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| 21:25.20 | deadcat | damn i smell smoke AGAIN!!!.. someone is really having fun starting up fires lately!! fuck |
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| 21:26.06 | Vasistha | M0E_lnx: "good" is a relative term. I live in Los Angeles, so I use a mirror which is geographically close to me (and reliable) ... check out http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 21:26.22 | deadcat | cool. mkisofs -o /western001/blue.iso -D -R -J -graft-points gallery_`dateme`=/home/www-data/gallery seems to work |
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| 21:26.31 | Glanzmann | Hello; |
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| 21:27.10 | Glanzmann | I try to setup a mirror for debian-multimedia, which works so far but when I do an apt-get update I get the following error: http://pbot.rmdir.de/ee6a3fb9eb0c14a054c22ebc46f6f891 |
| 21:27.22 | Glanzmann | However installtion and upgrade works. |
| 21:27.35 | Glanzmann | But I would like to get rid of this error before announcing the mirror. |
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| 21:28.37 | PasChampionDuMon | dooglus: Problem solved with chroot, thanks for your help, (and also cydork who leaved this channel) |
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| 21:29.08 | dooglus | no problem |
| 21:29.23 | Vasistha | PasChampionDuMon: past tense of "leave" is "left", not "leaved" ;-) good job with your english, though, you're doing fine |
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| 21:29.41 | shwag | rsync error 23 Partial transfer due to error ... but i have no idea why. |
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| 21:32.05 | doublehp | debian on laptop, ni udev yet: for PCMCIA card called 3CXFE575CT, what the required drivers ? I thought it was 3c59x compatible ... or maybe I got bad souvenirs, or did not activate all PCMCIA things ... |
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| 21:35.21 | Vasistha | doublehp: hrm, you may have to modprobe it. Seeing as the card is a 575 not a 59x ... it probably isn't compatible with the 3c59x driver, but what do I know? Does the card have a power indicator light? |
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| 21:36.12 | doublehp | bah, from memory it does (not used since 2 years), and since it does not light, I think maybe PCMCIA is not fyully loaded .... not 100% sure any way |
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| 21:37.17 | kindor | hello |
| 21:37.39 | kindor | how can i detect if the cpu is 64 bit? or would normal distro not even work on 64bit cpu? cpuinfo says p4-3.0 |
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| 21:38.33 | letto | try uname -a |
| 21:38.40 | Guerin | kindor: if you don't know, you don't need 64bit. Just use i386 |
| 21:38.45 | doublehp | Vasistha: is '3c590' "3c59x" ? ( http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_ci10010.html ) |
| 21:38.47 | Vasistha | doublehp: lspci may be helpful |
| 21:38.58 | Guerin | uname will tell you nwhat the KERNEL is, but not the SYSTEM |
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| 21:39.41 | kindor | guerin: is there any advantage in performance with the 64 bit instructions enabled? would a custom kernel do the trick? |
| 21:40.03 | Guerin | kindor: it depends what you do, but in general, if you don't know you need it, you don't need oit. |
| 21:40.05 | doublehp | Vasistha: lspci : command not found (woody floppy ) |
| 21:40.09 | rshakin | !bt-950 |
| 21:40.11 | g333k | hi, why when I do xhost + i receive this output? |
| 21:40.16 | g333k | hi, why when I do xhost + i receive this output? |
| 21:40.22 | g333k | gonzalo@gaf3:/root$ xhost + |
| 21:40.22 | g333k | xhost: unable to open display "" |
| 21:40.30 | kindor | hmm ok thanks |
| 21:40.47 | doublehp | Vasistha: from http://www.traduc.org/docs/HOWTO/lecture/Hardware-HOWTO.html it seems a 3c574_cs :S and Woody drivers dont seem to have "_cs" things :s |
| 21:40.49 | Vasistha | doublehp: well, I guess I proverd that I "didn't know" ;-) uhm, what are you doing with this woody floppy? |
| 21:41.09 | rshakin | hey ppl, wondeing what module supports Mylex/Buslogic bt-950 |
| 21:41.12 | Vasistha | doublehp: are you trying to install woody instead of sarge for some strange reason? |
| 21:41.31 | letto | uname -p prints processor name |
| 21:41.31 | Guerin | !xhost+ |
| 21:41.34 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 21:41.34 | dpkg | xhost is, like, EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 21:41.41 | Guerin | NEVER use xhost + |
| 21:41.45 | doublehp | Vasistha: no time to DL sarge, nor find blank FDs to write them ... so, some Woodys where around; I know sarge requires at least one more FD, so wont fit my 6 disk set |
| 21:41.48 | letto | isn't that it ? |
| 21:41.57 | g333k | how can I run a X app as root? |
| 21:42.07 | shay | g333k, apt-get install gksu |
| 21:42.08 | Guerin | g333k: read the factoid above |
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| 21:42.37 | Vasistha | doublehp: yow, man, that's tough ... technically, woody is no longer supported, and I'm fairly certain all the installation stuff works significantly better in sarge |
| 21:42.44 | zepeuga | my SATA harddisk isnt detect in debian installer...what can i do to be detected ? |
| 21:42.56 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 21:43.03 | g333k | Guerin, oki |
| 21:43.09 | Guerin | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 21:43.09 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 21:44.13 | doublehp | Vasistha: if I delete my two potato sets, that makes 9 available disks ... may hopefully be enough :)) |
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| 21:44.33 | doublehp | ereasing my potato sets :'( |
| 21:44.35 | Vasistha | doublehp: sounds like a plan to me ... any reason you don't just dist-upgrade? |
| 21:45.12 | doublehp | Vasistha: cant distupgrade before system is installed :) and to install, I need network to work ... that means: PCMCIA network card ! |
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| 21:45.46 | doublehp | ah, my potato floppies ... I am pretty sure I ll regret to erease them ! |
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| 21:45.57 | Vasistha | doublehp: yeah, I kinda guessed that might be it. potato floppy sets are probably publicly archived, or you could image them onto the hard drive with dd |
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| 21:46.31 | Vasistha | doublehp: if your floppies are that old you may want to do a badblocks check .. of course, back then, floppies were more reliable ... but still, old is old |
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| 21:46.50 | Guerin | doublehp: when I installed woody, i used a pcmcia 3com 509_cs, worked fine |
| 21:46.57 | Guerin | doublehp: i did use cds, though. |
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| 21:47.25 | doublehp | ah CDs .. thats for recent machines ... |
| 21:47.32 | doublehp | DVD is still the futur for me :) |
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| 21:49.49 | jade | when i try su to root, the prompt hangs even after giving proper login password. also when trying to ssh to host, the connection seems hung. |
| 21:49.56 | doublehp | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ are 3 floppies now enough for all net drivers ? |
| 21:49.58 | jade | any ideas what this is? |
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| 21:51.30 | Hiryu | is there anything for php available for debian that allows for grabbing screenshots out of movie files? (avi, wmv, etc) |
| 21:51.48 | Guerin | why php? |
| 21:51.53 | SerajewelKS | anyone know if there are plans to write a wine-like app for running intel mac applications on linux? |
| 21:51.56 | Guerin | i can't think of a worse language |
| 21:52.02 | Guerin | for that task, anyway |
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| 21:52.15 | doublehp | times have changed: now faster to download, than to write a fd image :s |
| 21:52.19 | Vasistha | Hiryu: what you want is mplayer, and it should have nothing to do with php |
| 21:52.31 | Hiryu | I know what mplayer is |
| 21:52.41 | Hiryu | maybe mplayer can do it on the command line |
| 21:52.42 | doublehp | Hiryu: you need to use -vo x11 option in mplayer, otherwise: no |
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| 21:53.18 | eastwood | kindor, SerajewelKS check #alky |
| 21:53.55 | Hiryu | doublehp: I need to do this outside of X, for example, make a screen grab about 10 seconds into the video |
| 21:53.57 | doublehp | Hiryu: the "Xv" method does not allow any software access to the content of movie window; that saves PCI bandwidth; either use x11 option (that slows down the machine, and only works with mplayer), or use a camera :) |
| 21:54.34 | doublehp | Hiryu: you mean ... record a video of your screen ? or record a part of a movie ? |
| 21:54.38 | Hiryu | doublehp: I know, I'm not new to linux. I just need screengrabs for videos uploaded to a site |
| 21:55.14 | abrotman | gimp can do a screengrab after X number of seconds |
| 21:55.15 | doublehp | Hiryu: so, just take a given picture out of movie file ? |
| 21:55.32 | smacnay | Hiryu: there is a way to tell mplayer to dump images from a movie. I have done it a long time ago and nearly filled a hd with images. |
| 21:55.56 | doublehp | Hiryu: avitools may do that |
| 21:55.57 | abrotman | ask #mplayer ? |
| 21:56.16 | smacnay | Hiryu: there isn't a lot of control unless you specify start and stop points and the frequency (number of frames) to dump an image. |
| 21:56.41 | doublehp | Hiryu: if you just want pictures, dont play the file on screen; just exctact a given frame ! |
| 21:57.22 | Hiryu | doublehp: yeh, that's basically the idea |
| 21:57.25 | smacnay | doublehp: that is correct, you can dump just one frame. I forgot about that. |
| 21:57.48 | doublehp | Hiryu: smacnay dont ask how to do things: explain what you *need* |
| 21:57.55 | smacnay | Hiryu: I don't think you can hit a key when you want to dump, at least not yet. |
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| 21:58.21 | smacnay | doublehp: I am not asking any questions. |
| 21:59.50 | Hiryu | i've decided to eat only Twinkies for the next two weeks to see if it makes me dumber |
| 22:00.22 | Hiryu | sorry |
| 22:00.24 | Hiryu | that was my coworker |
| 22:00.35 | Guerin | just THINKING that shows you're ALREADY dumber |
| 22:00.44 | Dewi | Hiryu: wow, they really ruined your reputation |
| 22:00.49 | Hiryu | Heh. |
| 22:00.53 | Dewi | Hiryu: whatever happened to "I fuck goats"? |
| 22:01.02 | Guerin | but the dumbest bit of all is NOT LOCKING YOUR TERMINAL |
| 22:01.02 | Dewi | Hiryu: tell him to grow some balls |
| 22:01.08 | Hiryu | haha |
| 22:01.09 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: alternatively, it may show that you can't get much dumber... |
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| 22:01.32 | doublehp | Hiryu: oh mplayer has a '-vo jpeg' option, and from memory it splits the movie into LOADS of single files ... |
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| 22:01.44 | Hiryu | doublehp: I only need a few |
| 22:01.52 | Mookie | Hrmph. I thought ping, dig, and host commands use resolv.conf to look up domains. My router provides DNS services to my network, but they're not using it. |
| 22:02.04 | Dewi | Guerin: I have a terminal locking question |
| 22:02.14 | doublehp | Hiryu: if this suports start and stop frame numbers, it may do what you need, or not. |
| 22:02.25 | Guerin | for being in breach of SoP #48 section 1 |
| 22:02.30 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 22:02.33 | phil0u | Hello: It's been a while since i last dist-upgraded (Debian Sid / x86), and after a 400Mo update :) well all my GTK apps look like font AA isn't working anymore any links please ? |
| 22:02.33 | Hiryu | doublehp: hmm |
| 22:02.34 | Dewi | Guerin: if I lock "screen" it loses beeps, such as people trying to get my attention on irc |
| 22:02.44 | Guerin | Dewi: awww. |
| 22:03.03 | Dewi | Guerin: I guess I lock my windows workstation instead, but still... it's one of those annoying things |
| 22:03.06 | doublehp | Vasistha: cant boot sarge: not enough RAM to decompress root+boot disks :S |
| 22:03.12 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: see /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 22:03.13 | doublehp | Vasistha: I am stuck to woody ! |
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| 22:03.24 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: you want your machine to beep? |
| 22:03.27 | Guerin | bah] |
| 22:03.29 | Guerin | Dewi: |
| 22:03.33 | Vasistha | doublehp: darn, that's a shame |
| 22:03.39 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: ok cool thanks, i'll have a look |
| 22:03.45 | doublehp | Vasistha: hehe :) 11.2 MB :s |
| 22:03.45 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: my machine has no beep. I had it surgically removed. |
| 22:03.49 | Dewi | Guerin: I want putty to beep and flash and carry on, yeah |
| 22:03.52 | Guerin | yeah, me too |
| 22:04.00 | Guerin | Dewi: badness. |
| 22:04.03 | Vasistha | doublehp: how is this machine going to serve you, anyway? |
| 22:04.24 | Guerin | so, I figured out that SOME of the terminals at my university allow outbound putty connections, and others don't |
| 22:04.27 | Hiryu | doublehp: thanks for your help |
| 22:04.32 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: I have a /etc/fonts/fonts.conf but no /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 22:04.34 | doublehp | it will if I can install any linux on HDD |
| 22:04.38 | Dewi | Guerin: in fact I think I have beeps audibly off otherwise I would be hearing you talk |
| 22:04.58 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: well, that's probably why it's not antialiased. |
| 22:04.59 | Dewi | Guerin: but it does flash my putty window in the taskbar if it's not active so it's quite handy |
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| 22:05.50 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: hmm ok :) isn't it supposed to be set automatically or well have at least some kind of template ? |
| 22:06.04 | Dewi | Guerin: putty supports some HTTP proxies (like the one at my university) |
| 22:06.33 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 22:06.33 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 22:06.42 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: try the above ^^^ with fontconfig |
| 22:07.14 | Guerin | Dewi: hm, ok. That's cool. |
| 22:07.53 | Dewi | Guerin: yeah, I used to have to use horrible little activestate perl scripts |
| 22:08.17 | Dewi | Guerin: if your proxy doesn't do CONNECT you might need more http-like tunnelling though |
| 22:08.37 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: alternatively, it may be fontconfig-config; I really haven't kept track of what that package is doing nowadays. |
| 22:09.03 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: yes it's fontconfig-config |
| 22:09.31 | Dewi | is there any more news on when we can expect etch? haven't heard anything in a while |
| 22:09.46 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the schedule is december. We're currently about 40 RC bugs behind. |
| 22:09.48 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: i ran a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and answered obvious questions regarding AA. I guess i'll need to reboot X |
| 22:09.51 | Dewi | I'd like to move this FC3 server over to sometyhing else soon |
| 22:10.01 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: first make sure that local.conf got created |
| 22:10.02 | Dewi | as you can imagine, FC3 in production is very painful indeed |
| 22:10.12 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: just switch to sarge |
| 22:10.15 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: well, still no local.conf yet :( |
| 22:10.29 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I need lots of backports for that. I mean... I will if I need to, but not quite ready yet anyway |
| 22:10.34 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: i'll google for that thanks |
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| 22:11.51 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3341 |
| 22:13.23 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: Thanks a bunch :) I'll reboot right away brb |
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| 22:17.29 | g333k | what is the best pkg to control the cpu frequency of notebooks? |
| 22:17.49 | shay | powernowd |
| 22:17.54 | haraldhv | hello everybody. I'm having difficulties installing debian on my SATA disk as the installer does not acknowledge it. I am wondering about booting knoppix and installing debian from there. Is this possible_ |
| 22:18.42 | shay | haraldhv, yeah, it is possible |
| 22:18.53 | shay | haraldhv, search google for installing Debian with debootstrap |
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| 22:19.48 | shay | haraldhv, www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html |
| 22:19.52 | technicks | is anyone familiar with tsclient ? |
| 22:19.59 | technicks | and ICA connection |
| 22:20.13 | shay | technicks, just ask your question and if somebody knows, he'll answer |
| 22:20.26 | technicks | ok |
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| 22:20.38 | doublehp | technicks: I opened a Debian and a GEntoo bug 2 years ago, then stopped using it ... |
| 22:20.47 | technicks | the option to select ICa is greyed out, im wondering how to enablie it and what parameters to enter |
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| 22:20.54 | technicks | oh |
| 22:20.56 | technicks | okay |
| 22:21.39 | technicks | i guess the citrix one ill have to figure out |
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| 22:21.54 | Vasistha | what's the apt-cache command to see the list of files installed by a package? |
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| 22:22.02 | haraldhv | dpkg -L |
| 22:22.14 | Vasistha | thanks! |
| 22:22.23 | technicks | but its missing lib.xm.so ? what package is that from |
| 22:23.16 | technicks | something lesstiff ? |
| 22:25.10 | fourat | how to change the default system charset ? dpkg-reconfigure locales <does not ask for the default locale |
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| 22:28.07 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: re, well no luck :( still no AA fonts yet :( |
| 22:28.18 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: did you modify that local.conf appropriately? |
| 22:28.25 | dondelelcaro | phil0u: the one I gave you is set to not use them |
| 22:28.52 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: argg :) i tought it was the opposite actually :( |
| 22:29.20 | dondelelcaro | heh. I tend not to like aa fonts, so I have them off of this machine. |
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| 22:30.19 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: ok, thx reboot again, brb :) |
| 22:31.01 | technicks | think i downloaded the worng one .. |
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| 22:33.10 | bowman | heya... I'm facing serious trouble with X in testing, now xterm does only black and white and several (n)curses-based applications don't display anything - additionally, almost all gtk2 / gdk applications have serious display problems. I havent found anything suitable in the x-69-to-7 transition docs. any hints? |
| 22:39.24 | pstickne | bowman, what kind of display problems? |
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| 22:41.24 | bowman | pstickne: gtk2-based applications draw the screen incompletely, especially text areas, but also icons in menus and toolbars |
| 22:41.57 | bowman | incompletely means e.g. for my email client that the first word of each line in a message is displayed, the rest is invisible until I move the mouse over it |
| 22:42.31 | pstickne | bowman, what driver are you using? |
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| 22:42.55 | bowman | pstickne: ati128 |
| 22:43.13 | epsilon | using ssh's x-forwaring, how do I find out which display (:10, :11 ...) is open? |
| 22:43.44 | mtomczak | Greetings all! I'm having trouble getting the bugzilla package installed. Does anyone know why I would be unable to log into the mysql database? |
| 22:44.04 | bowman | mtomczak: forgot to enter a password? |
| 22:44.09 | mtomczak | The bugzilla installer errors out as follows: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' to database 'bugzilla' at /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst line 304, <STDIN> line 2. |
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| 22:44.32 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: re :( still no go :( |
| 22:44.49 | mtomczak | bowman: Sounds plausible, since no package ever asked me to specify a password. Is that something I should have expected from mysql when I installed it? |
| 22:45.04 | bowman | mtomczak: dunno - did you create the bugzilla database yourself? |
| 22:45.17 | RichiH | epsilon: type this: <enter>~# |
| 22:45.19 | mtomczak | bowman: No, I just executed the apt-get install. |
| 22:45.24 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: just about everything is unaliased so maybe a freetype bug or Xorg bug ? |
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| 22:45.53 | bowman | mtomczak: ok in that case I don't know, otherwise I would have said that you need to grant some rights to debian-sys-maint on that database, otherwise mysql will not let you write to it ;) |
| 22:45.59 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: i would rather favor a misconfiguration here, but well it used to work fine...oh my :( |
| 22:46.12 | mtomczak | bowman: How do I go about doing that? I'm terribly new to mysql. |
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| 22:46.39 | bowman | pstickne: I will go out of X now to install some xserver-xorg stuff and try again with the new packages :-) |
| 22:46.53 | pstickne | bowman, :) |
| 22:47.19 | bowman | mtomczak: log into the mysql console and do something like "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON bugzilla.* TO 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost'" |
| 22:47.24 | eastwood | bowman, you dont need to leave X to install X packages |
| 22:47.35 | bowman | eastwood: I know, but I need to restart X ;) |
| 22:47.37 | eastwood | this aint windows |
| 22:47.43 | eastwood | you can do it afterwards |
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| 22:48.12 | bowman | I'm done with the package installation, brb |
| 22:49.50 | mtomczak | bowman: Cool, that got me further. Now it's telling me that table bugzilla.profiles doesn't exist. |
| 22:50.00 | mtomczak | Something tells me something got confused during install :-\ |
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| 22:51.36 | mtomczak | Ah, I think I see. The bugzilla db already existed, so it skips the creation steps for subsequent dbs. Perhaps sys-maint had permission to create but not to edit... |
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| 22:53.45 | mtomczak | Ah, yep! That did it. No idea where the 'bugzilla' database originally came from, but purging it after granting debian-sys-maint total rights did the trick. |
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| 22:55.44 | phil0u | dondelelcaro: new local.conf , brb |
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| 22:57.22 | trygg | How can i check if my cpu supports SSE? |
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| 22:57.32 | petterah | are there any problems running a new 2.6.17 kernel on sarge? incompatible udev/hal/dbus or something? or is it just go-go-go :) ? |
| 22:57.41 | petterah | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:57.46 | petterah | trygg, |
| 22:57.55 | vick | How can i play .wma songs ? Or is there a way i can convert them into a form readable by xmms ? |
| 22:59.08 | trygg | if sse is in flags, it supports it? |
| 22:59.46 | petterah | trygg, yes, i think so |
| 22:59.55 | petterah | the last line lists cpu features |
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| 23:00.19 | petterah | sorry, yeah, the "flags" line |
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| 23:01.19 | trygg | petterah: cool, didnt know that p3 500 does that. :D |
| 23:01.32 | cat | !p3 |
| 23:01.38 | cat | !p3 500 |
| 23:01.42 | cat | !dpkg |
| 23:01.42 | dpkg | [dpkg] the base of the Debian package management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get>, <apt>, and <aptitude>, or really cool |
| 23:01.46 | cat | okay c00l |
| 23:02.23 | petterah | oh yeas, sse has been around for a while |
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| 23:04.07 | trygg | Why im surprised is that my amd something 1200mhz doesnt support it |
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| 23:04.15 | petterah | oh? |
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| 23:04.43 | gilianima | where are stored files with vsftpd ? |
| 23:04.52 | petterah | my 1200 duron has it trygg |
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| 23:08.21 | MatBoy | Guys, maybe someone can answer it here... compare a Celeron 2.8 Ghz with a Dual PIII 800... what is "faster".. i mean more flexible in use ? |
| 23:09.27 | pstickne | MatBoy, I would bet on the Celeron 2.8 |
| 23:10.00 | august___ | anyone know a good (as in fast - i have to do this about 50 times) way to rename a partition volume label frome the command prompt? |
| 23:10.04 | pstickne | It might have less cache (not sure what PIII had), but it is almost 4x the clock speed, then add in new arcitecture design + optimizations |
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| 23:10.31 | MatBoy | pstickne, OK, I will get stuck with that one than :) |
| 23:10.49 | pstickne | MatBoy, it most likely has a newer motherboard too. |
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| 23:11.02 | pstickne | MatBoy, but dual systems are boasting rights. And you can use SMP. |
| 23:11.43 | pstickne | (New motherboard => *usually* better controllers, faster RAM, etc.) |
| 23:11.44 | MatBoy | pstickne, indeed.. I was thinking of usig 5x a Dual 800Mhz for loadbalancing instead of 2x a 2,8 Ghz Celeron |
| 23:12.14 | pstickne | huh? |
| 23:12.36 | pstickne | MatBoy, best way to know though is, run some tests under whatever env. they will be in. |
| 23:12.47 | MatBoy | pstickne, just web |
| 23:12.51 | MatBoy | apache |
| 23:12.58 | MatBoy | and PHP |
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| 23:13.18 | pstickne | MatBoy, run somes tests if you can, I haven't :) |
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| 23:13.54 | MatBoy | pstickne, ah OK.. no I got a quote of someone... so that is why :) |
| 23:14.01 | MatBoy | I have the Celerons |
| 23:14.07 | MatBoy | But for more redundancy |
| 23:14.56 | pstickne | MatBoy, because you aren't drinking enough hard alchohol and going _really_ crazy |
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| 23:15.07 | MatBoy | pstickne, that is annoying indeed |
| 23:15.21 | MatBoy | pstickne, 2 beers... damn... me pussy... UI'm going to sleep |
| 23:15.47 | MatBoy | pstickne, but the Celerons are SATA and the dual 800's are U160 SCSI |
| 23:15.55 | MatBoy | and 5 against 2 |
| 23:15.56 | MatBoy | :P |
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| 23:16.01 | SJr|nx | How do I change what browser opens up, when I click on a link in Thunderbird? |
| 23:16.03 | pstickne | MatBoy, all I can say is, run tests under your working load. |
| 23:16.36 | MatBoy | pstickne, I have no load at the moment... a guessing thing... someone wants something.. an I can guess without buying |
| 23:16.48 | MatBoy | because 5 servers sounds better tahn 2 more powerfull |
| 23:16.52 | MatBoy | damn silly guy |
| 23:17.58 | pstickne | MatBoy, what do you think about it? 5 servers sounds like more work. How are you going to duplicate/replicate data? How much space is needed? Are you willing to spend the extra $$$ for good SCSI drives? |
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| 23:18.41 | pstickne | MatBoy, how much RAM does each system come with? How much can they support? |
| 23:19.07 | MatBoy | pstickne, it's simple.. there is a LB-er at the front of it... and NFS for the web and a seperate MySQL server... where I even can;t image of what I needs... |
| 23:19.19 | MatBoy | pstickne, 1GB each for the frontends |
| 23:19.44 | MatBoy | pstickne, for the DUals |
| 23:19.51 | MatBoy | The Celerons have 2GB |
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| 23:20.02 | Vasistha | SJr|nx: I use KDE, and specify that stuff in kcontrol panel. I think it depends on your DE. |
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| 23:20.36 | SJr|nx | Hmmmm maybe |
| 23:20.42 | SJr|nx | I always assumed that KDE worked fine lemme see |
| 23:20.56 | pstickne | MatBoy, unless you can/will upgrade the duals, I'd spin for the celeron based on those numbers |
| 23:21.22 | Vasistha | SJr|nx: oh, does clicking links and opening your preferred browser work in other apps (e.g. konqueror) but not in thunderbird? |
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| 23:21.25 | pstickne | MatBoy, especially if you run large pools. |
| 23:21.27 | MatBoy | pstickne, indeed, my opinion too.. what would you upgrade about it ? drives are almost even fast |
| 23:21.28 | SJr|nx | hmmmmm |
| 23:21.29 | SJr|nx | yeah |
| 23:21.31 | SJr|nx | I believe so |
| 23:21.34 | SJr|nx | its in a few aps |
| 23:21.38 | MatBoy | pstickne, website and webmail |
| 23:21.40 | SJr|nx | but if I run a url in KDE it opens in firefox |
| 23:21.46 | Vasistha | SJr|nx: ah, then it's probably a thunderbird setting, have you scoured the thunderbird settings for it? |
| 23:21.59 | SJr|nx | I think its a Gnome setting actually |
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| 23:22.17 | Vasistha | well, are you using kde or gnome (or something else?) |
| 23:22.19 | SJr|nx | KDE |
| 23:22.29 | pstickne | MatBoy, the biggest drawback about the Celeron processor is that it is missing some RAM. But it's much easier to turn a Celeron 2.8 system into a P4 system with maxed processor for the mobo. And relatively cheap. |
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| 23:22.36 | SJr|nx | aMSN and Thunderbird both open Galion, instead of Firefox |
| 23:22.37 | pstickne | MatBoy, RAM = Cache |
| 23:22.43 | ruben | Hi, some ide-web for linux to edit php files? |
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| 23:22.57 | pstickne | MatBoy, also, you only have to upgrade two instead of 5 systems ;) |
| 23:23.00 | SJr|nx | ruben what is your question?+ |
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| 23:23.49 | MatBoy | pstickne, indeed.. It's a supermicro system and the Celeron is chosen because of 2 was much cheaper than and you had 2.. with serious load you can easily upgrad to a P4 wioth taking one down |
| 23:23.55 | SJr|nx | If you want a good Syntax Highlighter for PHP, as much as people here will think I'm an idiot. KWrite is damn good. |
| 23:23.56 | Vasistha | SJr|nx: well, have you checked kcontrol > KDE Componenets > File Associations |
| 23:24.28 | SJr|nx | whats the file type? |
| 23:24.54 | MatBoy | pstickne, but should 5 not handle the load better ? |
| 23:24.54 | SJr|nx | hmmm the top preference for HTML is KWrite |
| 23:25.33 | pstickne | MatBoy, or flip out the mobo too and get one of these: http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/992487-1.htm |
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| 23:26.17 | MatBoy | pstickne, yes, but I better like a 6600 than and 4 times :D |
| 23:26.17 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.40 | SJr|nx | ruben, I love KWrite |
| 23:26.44 | MatBoy | pstickne, but I will get stuck with the Celerons... that is better |
| 23:26.45 | SJr|nx | for PHP |
| 23:26.51 | SJr|nx | HTML I think is kind of crappy |
| 23:27.01 | ruben | It has sintax hig* ? |
| 23:27.04 | pstickne | SJr|nx, Kate? |
| 23:27.04 | MatBoy | pstickne, thanks for the talk... the beer is killig me... tooo tired |
| 23:27.05 | SJr|nx | yeah |
| 23:27.09 | SJr|nx | KWrite |
| 23:27.19 | pstickne | MatBoy, drink more or you'll have a hangover tomorrow ;) |
| 23:27.34 | MatBoy | pstickne, no, not that much.. it cleans your body :P |
| 23:27.37 | MatBoy | I need sleep |
| 23:27.40 | MatBoy | that is it :) |
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| 23:28.53 | Vasistha | SJr|nx: oh, darn it, I just closed kcontrol, you should highlight me ;-) |
| 23:29.22 | SJr|nx | hmmmm |
| 23:29.28 | SJr|nx | highlight you? |
| 23:29.30 | MatBoy | sleep well all ! |
| 23:29.31 | MatBoy | cu ! |
| 23:29.35 | SJr|nx | Yeah Kate apparently is better |
| 23:29.51 | predder | The etch beta 2 eratta states that it uses UTF-8 by default which may cause problems.. is there any reason I cant use whatever it was before that? |
| 23:30.09 | pstickne | SJr|nx, it's based off the same core I think, but project (now "session") support is excellent |
| 23:30.23 | SJr|nx | yeah |
| 23:30.27 | SJr|nx | I was in KDE and they told me about it |
| 23:30.31 | SJr|nx | it looks better than KWrite :) |
| 23:30.55 | Vasistha | SJr|nx: kate = kwrite with multiple documents and some other nifty tools |
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| 23:37.27 | lmao | hi guys. |
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| 23:38.07 | lmao | if install Debian 3.1 after my ATI Radeon 9000 is installed, will the debian installation detect this graphics card and install drivers for me? |
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| 23:39.35 | lmao | i have 800x600 as my only option of resolution. |
| 23:39.40 | pstickne | !xorg |
| 23:39.41 | dpkg | well, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.0. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 23:39.46 | pstickne | hmm. that wasn't right. |
| 23:39.55 | pstickne | lmao, there is some nifty reconfigure tool |
| 23:40.07 | pstickne | !xorg.conf |
| 23:40.16 | lmao | is it a gui tool? |
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| 23:40.25 | infernix | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:40.29 | pstickne | infernix, :) |
| 23:40.32 | purplehaze_ | what you dont see on the news: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14258.htm |
| 23:40.46 | infernix | if on etch. on stable (sarge) its xserver-xfree86. take the radeon driver. |
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| 23:41.01 | lmao | that dpkg will readjust my resolution? or reinstall this tool? |
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| 23:41.14 | lmao | err re-adjust |
| 23:41.33 | lmao | ok |
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| 23:46.04 | lmao | infernix: whats etch and sarge? |
| 23:47.08 | infernix | lmao: your debian version. sarge=stable, etch=testing. cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 23:52.06 | letto | !next |
| 23:53.22 | lmao | infernix: thanx |
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| 23:54.52 | rshakin | hey guys, i am having problems with my scsi card, it wont detect with regular kernel using scsi_mod module it's a buslogic card... |
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| 23:56.45 | SerajewelKS | how does udev handle card readers? it's not making nodes for the partitions on cards |
| 23:57.24 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: do you see the partitions in dmesg when the card is inserted? |
| 23:57.46 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: inserting a card does nothing to udev |
| 23:57.57 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: this is external usb |
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| 23:58.08 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: sure, but it should show up in dmesg that you've inserted a device. |
| 23:58.34 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if you don't see it there and/or it doesn't show up in /proc/partitions, then udev won't know to create partitions for it |
| 23:58.34 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: no.. when i plug the reader in it shows four new devices. but not when i put a card in- |
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| 23:59.15 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, sounds like there's something strange with the card reader then... it should only report the devices when a card is plugged in |
| 23:59.27 | dondelelcaro | because otherwise it has no idea what partitions are actually on the devices |
| 23:59.37 | dondelelcaro | (and the kernel won't know either) |
| 23:59.41 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: if i replug the device with the card in it sees them |
| 23:59.58 | dondelelcaro | yerp, that's typical. |
