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`00:00.04`	`SerajewelKS`	`:<`
`00:00.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`good thing i only use one of the slots.. so it's not too big a deal`
`00:00.27`	`rshakin`	`anyone ?`
`00:00.43`	`iLLf8d`	`hrm`
`00:01.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: kind of annoying how windows magically knows but linux can't though... (presumably it's polling the device though, which isn't very clean)`
`00:01.26`	`iLLf8d`	`oops`
`00:01.48`	`predder`	`how can I find out what character encoding i'm currently using? ie ISOxyz or UTF etc`
`00:01.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: apparently, you can specify OPTIONS="all_partions" in the udev rules for it to get it to do that.`
`00:02.17`	`Vasistha`	`rshakin: I assume you did modprobe the module ... I don't know if it's the right place to look, but maybe lspci might show info? That just *`
`00:02.17`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: hmm`
`00:02.24`	`Vasistha`	`sounds wrong, but who knows?`
`00:02.41`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: i might do that sometime.. thanks`
`00:02.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/126 for some examples`
`00:03.38`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha. 0000:02:01.0 SCSI storage controller: BusLogic Flashpoint LT (rev 02)`
`00:03.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: good link. bookmarked, thanks.`
`00:03.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: np`
`00:03.52`	`Vasistha`	`rshakin: ah, so it did show up in lspci, huh?`
`00:03.57`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha. it shows up on lspci`
`00:04.15`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha. just not in dmesg`
`00:04.22`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: oh this is VERY cool`
`00:04.35`	`Vasistha`	`rshakin: that's actually rather odd, is it possible you just missed it in dmesg?`
`00:04.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: gives them static names too`
`00:04.44`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha. and i dont even know where to start to look what driver supports`
`00:04.54`	`Vasistha`	`rshakin: google.com/linux`
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`00:05.05`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha. i did dmesg \| grep scsi nothing showed up`
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`00:05.34`	`DQuestions`	`hello`
`00:05.41`	`DQuestions`	`i'm having some problems =(`
`00:05.57`	`Vasistha`	`rshakin: if you dmesg \| head does it show the most recent boot? My dmesg is filled with these stupid messages so I don't have the boot messages anymore`
`00:06.18`	`DQuestions`	`i have a fairly recent install of debian.. but i cant change my monitors resolution`
`00:06.26`	`Vasistha`	`!drxx`
`00:06.26`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.`
`00:06.27`	`DQuestions`	`i cant locate my xorg.conf file`
`00:06.30`	`DQuestions`	`any ideas?`
`00:06.37`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: /etc/X11/`
`00:06.52`	`DQuestions`	`i dont think its there`
`00:06.54`	`DQuestions`	`but i'll look`
`00:06.57`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: but you should use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
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`00:07.20`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro: i have autofs going already... this is going to make it much more stable`
`00:07.26`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha PROMLIB: Sun IEEE Boot Prom 3.19.4 1999/04/28 15:05`
`00:07.27`	`rshakin`	`Linux version 2.6.8-3-sparc64 (pbuilder@sparc) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Sat Jul 15 15:40:08 UTC 2006`
`00:07.38`	`cds`	`I'm trying to install Rails behind a proxy, put gem won't have it.`
`00:07.45`	`cds`	`I have $http_proxy set.`
`00:07.50`	`cds`	`Anyone any further ideas why it times out?`
`00:08.04`	`DQuestions`	`my xorg file wasnt there`
`00:08.08`	`DQuestions`	`what do i do now?`
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`00:08.20`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: for the third time: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
`00:08.26`	`DQuestions`	`k`
`00:08.37`	`letto`	`whoever made bash completion work so well if a genius!!!`
`00:08.39`	`DQuestions`	`hmm not installed .. i gues i got to get that`
`00:08.40`	`DQuestions`	`heh`
`00:08.50`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: are you root?`
`00:08.54`	`DQuestions`	`yep`
`00:09.25`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: uhm ... dpkg-reconfigure ought to work as root`
`00:09.48`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha. Aug 3 16:34:11 rubicon kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized <--- this is what i have in my kernmsg log`
`00:11.26`	`DQuestions`	`so i should reisntall?`
`00:11.44`	`DQuestions`	`wat would be one reason for it not to be working?`
`00:12.45`	`xsappyx`	`DQuestions: dpkg --list \| grep xserver show anything?`
`00:12.54`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: dpkg-reconfigure is in the package debconf, I'm not sure if your system would work very well if you didn't already have debconf installed. What version of debian are you using??`
`00:13.18`	`DQuestions`	`ii xserver-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 files and utilities common to all X servers`
`00:13.19`	`DQuestions`	`ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 the XFree86 X server`
`00:13.56`	`Vasistha`	`rshakin: yeah, that's no good, huh :-( Let's see, I have no experience with scsi ... could it be the scsi module is not being loaded properly (or at the right time) by the kernel?`
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`00:14.24`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: uh, well, it would seem that you have xfree86 installed, and not x.org`
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`00:14.29`	`DQuestions`	`i'm rly not sure.. i burned a couple of cds... the latest i found.. it might be the "testing" version`
`00:14.33`	`DQuestions`	`how do i find that out?`
`00:14.39`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: cat /etc/debian_version`
`00:15.02`	`xsappyx`	`DQuestions: try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and ^ for the version`
`00:15.05`	`DQuestions`	`3.1`
`00:15.26`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: yeah, go with xsappyx's advice there, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
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`00:16.00`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: you have sarge, which is the current stable version of debian. I suppose I should check -- have you done apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; recently`
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`00:16.21`	`DQuestions`	`nope`
`00:16.21`	`DQuestions`	`hmm`
`00:16.55`	`DQuestions`	`and xsappyx advice might work`
`00:16.55`	`DQuestions`	`hold on`
`00:17.41`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha. my /etc/modules has it listed to load scsi`
`00:18.19`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: I do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; basically every day. it's a good habit to be in.`
`00:18.51`	`DQuestions`	`k doing it now`
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`00:19.42`	`DQuestions`	`i guess i'll be back when its done`
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`00:20.17`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: yeah, then try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`00:21.58`	`DQuestions`	`heh i dunno the BusID of my card`
`00:21.59`	`DQuestions`	`damn`
`00:22.11`	`DQuestions`	`do i really need that`
`00:22.26`	`DQuestions`	`i only use one monitor.. and one video card..`
`00:22.26`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: I think it ought to auto-detect`
`00:22.38`	`DQuestions`	`so leave it blank...`
`00:22.40`	`chicken_Fire`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:23.18`	`Vasistha`	`chicken_Fire: it's an acronym for Free + Open Source Software`
`00:23.24`	`ApEtc`	`!foss`
`00:23.24`	`dpkg`	`foss is probably Free and Open Source Software`
`00:23.32`	`ApEtc`	`Well. I had hoped for more than that.`
`00:23.47`	`Vasistha`	`chicken_Fire: check out acronymfinder.com`
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`00:24.07`	`Vasistha`	`ApEtc: rewrite the factoid? :-)`
`00:24.17`	`ApEtc`	`Vasistha: If I find a good link. :)`
`00:26.06`	`Vasistha`	`ApEtc: wikipedia?`
`00:26.41`	`DQuestions`	`i guess i need to logg off`
`00:26.42`	`DQuestions`	`brb`
`00:27.00`	`chicken_Fire`	`thanks, it was just a comparison,you where quicker and more acurate than the #ubuntu channel ;)`
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`00:28.23`	`DQuestions`	`i dont get it`
`00:28.27`	`DQuestions`	`=(`
`00:28.32`	`DQuestions`	`it didnt work`
`00:28.36`	`DQuestions`	`max res is still 800x600`
`00:28.40`	`DQuestions`	`should i restart isntead?`
`00:28.47`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: did you restart X?`
`00:28.57`	`DQuestions`	`restart xserver <-- like that?`
`00:29.22`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: no, like ctrl+alt+backspace <-- that will STOP X immediately`
`00:29.35`	`DQuestions`	`k`
`00:30.03`	`DQuestions`	`restarting it = startkde or something?`
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`00:31.56`	`Vasistha`	`...I was afraid we might lose him :D`
`00:32.08`	`Vasistha`	`oh well, I'm guilty of using a gui irc client, too :P`
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`00:33.01`	`Ronin`	`Vasistha: lots do lots dont, no biggie`
`00:33.07`	`phil0u`	`Hello, has there been reports of Antialiasing breaking lately ? I've just dist-upgraded tonight and AA doesn't work anymore. All GTK apps are ugly. How can i debug this ? thanks`
`00:34.08`	`hahaxgelb`	`hi, while installing an update some xorg packages were installed too, but after rebooting my keymap changed?! how can i fix it?`
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`00:34.19`	`nevyn`	`phil0u: gtk apps have always been ugly ;)`
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`00:34.30`	`nevyn`	`you've just had an enlightenment...`
`00:34.44`	`phil0u`	`nevyn: :) well they were less ugly before the upgrade`
`00:34.45`	`enouf`	`phil0u: something about toggling the AA on/off and then on again in gnome control center settings`
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`00:35.02`	`phil0u`	`enouf: I'm using KDE`
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`00:35.26`	`enouf`	`phil0u: GTK = Gnome ..AFAIK`
`00:35.38`	`hahaxgelb`	`no`
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`00:36.02`	`phil0u`	`enouf: yes yes, gnome libs, well all GTK apps within KDE are not AA since the upgrade`
`00:36.10`	`axolx`	`hey guys - i am about to install debian on a Pentium D system. I'm going to compile a new kernel with SMP support. My question is: besides the kernel, do I need to use Testing to take full advantage of the dual core chip, or does Sarge take full advantage of it as well?`
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`00:36.25`	`Mister_Sako`	`i installed debian but when i boot it it goes straight to the command prompt, how do i get to the GUI?`
`00:36.33`	`nevyn`	`axolx: sarge will be fine.`
`00:36.44`	`nevyn`	`axolx: you will want to install with a 2.6 kernel`
`00:36.56`	`axolx`	`nevyn: thanks. is Pentium D a 64bit chip?`
`00:36.59`	`nevyn`	`axolx: and if it's for a desktop you may want to use sid or testing anyway`
`00:37.09`	`nevyn`	`which model?`
`00:37.10`	`axolx`	`nevyn: it's for a server`
`00:37.26`	`nevyn`	`axolx: how many users what sort of server?`
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`00:37.55`	`axolx`	`nevyn: Pentium D 930`
`00:38.31`	`nevyn`	`yeah it's emt64 so you can use it in 64bit mode...`
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`00:38.39`	`hahaxgelb`	`how can the keymap changed under xorg?`
`00:38.40`	`nevyn`	`axolx: what's the server going to do tho.`
`00:38.46`	`axolx`	`nevyn: web dev server with 5-10 users (apache, svn, fastcgi, etc)`
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`00:39.18`	`enouf`	`phil0u: I just recall other having issues like that ..and all I did was spit out what I can recall about it, you'll need to search for more info -- try Go Kmenu >> Debian >> System >> Gnome >> GCC`
`00:39.45`	`axolx`	`nevyn: how do i use emt64 mode? is that a kernel thing, or a general OS/library thing?`
`00:39.47`	`nevyn`	`X86_64/emt64/AMD64 was not included with sarge at release`
`00:40.03`	`nevyn`	`axolx: you'd need a completely different set of binaries..`
`00:40.08`	`enouf`	`phil0u: whoops -- Go Kmenu >> Debian >> APPS >> System >> Gnome >> GCC`
`00:40.09`	`axolx`	`nevyn: ah ok. so i probably need Etch?`
`00:40.13`	`nevyn`	`axolx: no.`
`00:40.37`	`phil0u`	`enouf: thx, i'll have a look, but stil it doesn't seem to be installed`
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`00:40.48`	`suzhou`	`h`
`00:40.50`	`suzhou`	`hello`
`00:41.15`	`axolx`	`nevyn: what os should i use then?`
`00:41.17`	`nevyn`	`a number of libraries and platforms arn't well tested in 64bit mode and arn't 64bit clean`
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`00:41.35`	`axolx`	`nevyn: is it a sin to use that chip in 32bit mode?`
`00:41.37`	`nevyn`	`axolx: depends on your target deployment arch`
`00:41.40`	`nevyn`	`axolx: not really.`
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`00:41.47`	`suzhou`	`hi i have kde 3.5.1`
`00:41.52`	`nevyn`	`most 64bit chips are running in 32bit mode`
`00:41.58`	`suzhou`	`i dont know how to enable chinese`
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`00:42.17`	`nevyn`	`you loose some performance.. and bigmemory.. but who has more than 2gig of memory in a system anyway..`
`00:42.39`	`enouf`	`phil0u: look again ;-) -- Go Kmenu >> Debian >> APPS >> System >> Gnome <---THis is 2nd from top - right below "Admin" on mine KDE 3.5.3 Debian Sid`
`00:42.39`	`axolx`	`nevyn: so the way to go is probably to install sarge and use a 2.6 kernel with SMP?`
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`00:42.46`	`DQuestions`	`meh`
`00:42.51`	`DQuestions`	`hmm`
`00:42.51`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: what version of debian are you using?`
`00:43.00`	`nevyn`	`axolx: the advantages only really appear in performance constraigned computing (which I doubt is your case) or in high memory situations.. more than 2gigi`
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`00:43.04`	`DQuestions`	`hm`
`00:43.10`	`DQuestions`	`now i cant even startx`
`00:43.11`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: no luck?`
`00:43.11`	`nevyn`	`axolx: it depends`
`00:43.16`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: d'oh`
`00:43.16`	`axolx`	`nevyn: yup, definitely not my case.`
`00:43.18`	`DQuestions`	`it keeps on giving me errors =(`
`00:43.31`	`nevyn`	`what is the target deployment environment?`
`00:44.15`	`axolx`	`nevyn: not sure yet. but probably a pretty standard collocated server.`
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`00:44.26`	`djace`	`what can i do if a package's pre-removal script fails?`
`00:44.27`	`suzhou`	`i dont no`
`00:44.27`	`djace`	`:S`
`00:44.34`	`DQuestions`	`=/`
`00:44.35`	`nevyn`	`axolx: if you're making a "Product" for deployment on debian stable.. I'd aim for etch by the time your project is complete etch will be out or close to out and when^H^H^H^Hif debian slips you can switch to ubuntu ;)`
`00:44.39`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: cat /etc/debian_version`
`00:44.41`	`suzhou`	`i just switched from windows`
`00:44.47`	`phil0u`	`enouf: thx ! well i've installed GCC Fonts look ok , nicely AntiAliased`
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`00:44.54`	`Ronin`	`suzhou: an excellent first step`
`00:44.55`	`enouf`	`phil0u: I guess you can always install it too ...;-) 'apt-cache search gnome-control' yields and then "apt-cache show gnome-control-center" - but it's huge as usual`
`00:45.08`	`phil0u`	`but GTK apps still look ugly`
`00:45.11`	`enouf`	`phil0u: Excellent news!`
`00:45.26`	`suzhou`	`testing/unstable`
`00:45.26`	`enouf`	`phil0u: Excellent...NOT! :-(`
`00:45.39`	`axolx`	`nevyn: haha. yeah, i was thinking of using etch too. the apps i need are too out of date in sarge by now`
`00:46.05`	`Vasistha`	`!cn`
`00:46.06`	`dpkg`	`cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 \| Qt/KDE �渡��详�请�读`
`00:46.09`	`suzhou`	`my friend installed this for me`
`00:46.13`	`enouf`	`gotta break for a while folks`
`00:46.14`	`nevyn`	`axolx: that's the real problem`
`00:46.14`	`axolx`	`nevyn: never tried ubuntu in a server. it is as cleanly organized as debian?`
`00:46.15`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: although your english is fine ;-)`
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`00:46.29`	`DQuestions`	`so now what`
`00:46.38`	`nevyn`	`axolx: we're going to get lynched talking about this here...`
`00:46.42`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: so you can ask here ... however if there is anyone in #debian-zh then they probably know more than I do about enabling UTF-8`
`00:46.44`	`DQuestions`	`drivers cant support depth 24`
`00:46.47`	`DQuestions`	`wtf .. nor 16?`
`00:46.50`	`axolx`	`nevyn: haha yeah i was thinking the same.`
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`00:46.59`	`suzhou`	`yeah`
`00:47.11`	`suzhou`	`i just cant read too many things in english`
`00:47.17`	`yipstar`	`hello, how can i apt-get mod_proxy_balancer?`
`00:47.25`	`yipstar`	`for apache2.2`
`00:47.25`	`phil0u`	`enouf: i've found this bug, but it's mandriva : http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23823`
`00:47.43`	`phil0u`	`enouf: GTK1 apps seem to be ok , like XMMS`
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`00:48.19`	`DQuestions`	`lmao i can only get 8 bits?`
`00:48.20`	`DQuestions`	`wtf`
`00:48.24`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: :-(`
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`00:48.30`	`suzhou`	`only thing is that there is no one at debian-zh`
`00:48.41`	`suzhou`	`* Now talking on #debian-zh`
`00:48.42`	`suzhou`	`* leguin.freenode.net sets mode +n #debian-zh`
`00:48.42`	`suzhou`	`* leguin.freenode.net sets mode +s #debian-zh`
`00:48.42`	`suzhou`	`* ChanServ removes channel operator status from suzhou`
`00:48.42`	`suzhou`	`* ChanServ sets mode +t #debian-zh`
`00:48.42`	`suzhou`	`* ChanServ sets mode +c #debian-zh`
`00:48.42`	`*** kick/#debian [suzhou!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)`
`00:48.52`	`RichiH`	`heh`
`00:49.04`	`mohadib`	`you guys know what "\W RETAILED" means in this context ASUS P5P800 SE BUNDLE W/ RETAILED`
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`00:49.17`	`RichiH`	`suzhou: you just learned a valuable lesson ;)`
`00:49.20`	`suzhou`	`why did i get kicked`
`00:49.31`	`RichiH`	`02:48:39 -!- suzhou was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]`
`00:49.31`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: don't paste more then two or three lines into the channel`
`00:49.42`	`suzhou`	`i was just trying to show what it said on debian-zh`
`00:49.44`	`suzhou`	`o`
`00:49.45`	`suzhou`	`sorry`
`00:49.49`	`RichiH`	`suzhou: :)`
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`00:49.56`	`DQuestions`	`what the hell =(`
`00:49.56`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: that's alright, most people get it after the first time ;-)`
`00:49.59`	`DQuestions`	`now what`
`00:50.10`	`RichiH`	`Vasistha: indeed`
`00:50.16`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: debhelper doesn't ban you or anything ;-)`
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`00:50.37`	`hologram`	`hello`
`00:50.46`	`suzhou`	`o`
`00:50.50`	`suzhou`	`good`
`00:50.50`	`hologram`	`0`
`00:51.15`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: now what? hrm. I..wish..I..knew..... I'll think about it and come back in a few minutes, hopefully someone else here can help you get XFree86 working again`
`00:51.31`	`DQuestions`	`=(`
`00:51.55`	`DQuestions`	`should i be choosing some specific driver`
`00:51.55`	`DQuestions`	`i picked vga`
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`00:52.19`	`rshakin`	`hey ppl`
`00:53.15`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha: it looks like the sparc kernel does not have support from the box... so i am compiling the module just like i would and then just going to move it into the /modules dir and load it from there`
`00:54.06`	`DQuestions`	`damn... should i just resinstall x`
`00:54.11`	`DQuestions`	`i mean debian*`
`00:54.21`	`DQuestions`	`but wont i end up in the same situation?`
`00:54.23`	`DQuestions`	`=(`
`00:54.50`	`phil0u`	`enouf: looks like it installed some gnome stuff when installing gnome-control-center, and now AA seems to be working !`
`00:54.52`	`phil0u`	`bye`
`00:54.58`	`phil0u`	`and THX :) ++`
`00:55.01`	`rshakin`	`what do i have to run to make modules dep all taken care of`
`00:56.53`	`suzhou`	`ok my friend left`
`00:56.56`	`suzhou`	`he told me to get this`
`00:57.07`	`suzhou`	`Package xfonts-intl-chinese`
`00:57.19`	`suzhou`	`now how do i get that tho`
`00:57.28`	`suzhou`	`i think he has high expectations`
`00:57.31`	`suzhou`	`of me`
`00:57.48`	`suzhou`	`(we learn english at our chinese school)`
`00:59.15`	`djace`	`what can i do if a package fails to uninstall? dpkg reports the package's pre-removal script fails.`
`00:59.30`	`Piet`	`suzhou: apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude && aptitude install xfonts-intl-chinese`
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`00:59.51`	`Piet`	`djace: reinstall it`
`00:59.57`	`Piet`	`then uninstall it`
`01:00.56`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: apt-get install xfonts-intl-chinese`
`01:01.18`	`Vasistha`	`suzhou: oh, Piet already gave much better instructions ... you need to be root`
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`01:02.46`	`meppl`	`gute nacht`
`01:03.13`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: yeah ... let's see, actually, perhaps the easiest thing is to google.com/linux and find someone with a similar computer who has publicly posted an xf86config-4`
`01:04.16`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: I usually just edit the file myself, I've never run dpkg-reconfigure ... however the "sanctioned advice" in here is to run dpkg-reconfigure ... it seems not to have been the best advice in this case. When modifying it manually, one can at least put it back to what it was before :P`
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`01:05.08`	`Vasistha`	`rshakin: I believe you have to have the kernel source available for the modules to link to (even if you're not compiling the kernel)`
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`01:05.43`	`canioneri`	`Hi everyone`
`01:06.25`	`Piet`	`oh, an apache with irc support`
`01:07.12`	`DocOC`	`rshakin: actually, all you need is the linux-headers package...`
`01:07.24`	`canioneri`	`I was compiling a 2.6 kernel to a low capacity machine, I started thinking if It was really necesary to make the initrd image`
`01:07.55`	`canioneri`	`How does it affect the performance on it?`
`01:07.57`	`canioneri`	`Does it?`
`01:08.28`	`DocOC`	`canioneri: it's not necessary, but it is a nice safety feature, so that if you have problems with the part of the kernel that handles your root filesystem, or a problem with the filesystem itself, you can still boot and mount manually.`
`01:08.50`	`canioneri`	`Oh`
`01:08.53`	`canioneri`	`Nice`
`01:09.18`	`canioneri`	`It is helpful then`
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`01:10.04`	`canioneri`	`Thanks DocOC`
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`01:10.06`	`canioneri`	`:-)`
`01:11.25`	`Vasistha`	`wow, bash.org quote moderation takes a long time!!`
`01:11.45`	`hologram`	`ya unless theyre sexual`
`01:11.59`	`hologram`	`then they get processed right away`
`01:12.04`	`Vasistha`	`...and rejected?`
`01:12.12`	`hologram`	`ha .. not quite`
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`01:12.27`	`dvs`	`they're treasured`
`01:13.35`	`Vasistha`	`oops, I totally said that in the wrong channel :-)`
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`01:20.56`	`DocOC`	`darn, I can't remember the name of that really good X latex editor.`
`01:21.08`	`dvs`	`lyx?`
`01:21.16`	`DocOC`	`yep, that's the one. Thanks.`
`01:21.21`	`dvs`	`no prob`
`01:22.58`	`canioneri`	`Have a nice day all!`
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`01:23.13`	`rshakin`	`Vasistha it's compiling now.... so let's see what happens after i load it`
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`01:25.53`	`Hoxzer`	`s`
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`01:28.13`	`_Steve_`	`hi folks, i hear debian uses exim as the default mailer. i've got a box not running debian but running exim that i need some help with, hoping someone can help. any takers? i need some help with blocking spam and whatnot....`
`01:28.33`	`nsx`	`W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org etch/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_etch_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)`
`01:28.40`	`nsx`	`is this a debian problem? or a problem with just this one mirror?`
`01:28.49`	`nsx`	`i mean, wait`
`01:28.50`	`nsx`	`Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/etch/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch`
`01:28.52`	`nsx`	`that problem`
`01:29.05`	`Jenkens`	`nsx: /msg dpkg fudo`
`01:29.26`	`jade`	`anyone know how i can check my scsi raid configuration from the command line to see what level raid is being used?`
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`01:31.31`	`suzhou`	`hi does anyone now how to install chinese fonts on debian`
`01:31.43`	`suzhou`	`apt-get install intlfonts?`
`01:31.44`	`suzhou`	`no`
`01:31.49`	`suzhou`	`wat is it?`
`01:31.53`	`tengulre11`	`suzhou: are you from china?`
`01:31.58`	`suzhou`	`yes`
`01:32.05`	`suzhou`	`suzhou is a city in china`
`01:32.08`	`tengulre11`	`suzhou: where?`
`01:32.14`	`suzhou`	`suzhou`
`01:32.32`	`tengulre11`	`:)`
`01:32.59`	`suzhou`	`apparently nobody in my 10+ mil city is on this #debian`
`01:33.00`	`suzhou`	`lol`
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`01:33.17`	`Jenkens`	`suzhou: prolly cuz they are in debian-china or something`
`01:33.24`	`suzhou`	`o`
`01:33.27`	`Jenkens`	`or some variation`
`01:33.33`	`suzhou`	`no`
`01:33.37`	`suzhou`	`debian-zh`
`01:33.41`	`Jenkens`	`there you go`
`01:33.43`	`suzhou`	`but it is empty`
`01:33.51`	`suzhou`	`so i have to stick with u guys`
`01:33.52`	`suzhou`	`srry`
`01:33.59`	`Jenkens`	`so go out in the street and yell something about debian and see who comes outside`
`01:34.14`	`Naz`	`Use a megaphone though.`
`01:34.17`	`suzhou`	`maybe not the best idea in china`
`01:34.29`	`suzhou`	`maybe in the US but not in china`
`01:34.39`	`suzhou`	`i think u get my point`
`01:34.41`	`Jenkens`	`hell i doubt another person in my zipcode uses debian`
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`01:34.47`	`suzhou`	`lol`
`01:35.03`	`suzhou`	`so how do i install chinese fonts AGAIN?`
`01:35.09`	`Jenkens`	`dunno`
`01:35.15`	`Jenkens`	`apt-cache search font \| les`
`01:35.16`	`Jenkens`	`s`
`01:35.17`	`suzhou`	`o`
`01:35.18`	`suzhou`	`hehe`
`01:35.18`	`Jenkens`	`start with that`
`01:35.25`	`suzhou`	`thx`
`01:35.33`	`Naz`	`Try...`
`01:35.40`	`Naz`	`xfonts-intl-chinese`
`01:35.52`	`suzhou`	`so wat do i do`
`01:35.54`	`Naz`	`If that's what you're looking for.`
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`01:35.56`	`suzhou`	`like wat do i type`
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`01:36.04`	`suzhou`	`im new to this thing`
`01:36.12`	`Jenkens`	`apt-get -u install xfonts-intl-chinese`
`01:36.19`	`Naz`	`I'd have to actually check on my Debian box.`
`01:36.33`	`suzhou`	`ok`
`01:36.36`	`Naz`	`apt-cache search chinese fonts`
`01:36.41`	`sleekbiotch`	`I love Reidon!`
`01:36.45`	`suzhou`	`thx`
`01:36.46`	`sleekbiotch`	`Anally!`
`01:36.49`	`Jenkens`	`ew.`
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`01:38.01`	`suzhou`	`om`
`01:38.07`	`suzhou`	`that doesn't work`
`01:38.42`	`suzhou`	`couldn't stat source package list`
`01:38.56`	`Naz`	`Try updating.`
`01:39.11`	`suzhou`	`apt-get update`
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`01:39.19`	`suzhou`	`trying to get headers`
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`01:39.25`	`suzhou`	`stops at 99%`
`01:39.27`	`tengulre11`	`apt-cache search zh`
`01:39.49`	`suzhou`	`waiting for headers`
`01:39.57`	`suzhou`	`ok........`
`01:41.06`	`suzhou`	`is there a gui for any of this?`
`01:41.16`	`Naz`	`Yes, synaptic.`
`01:41.23`	`suzhou`	`ok`
`01:41.26`	`Guerin`	`if the cli fails, why would a gui work?`
`01:41.27`	`suzhou`	`opening that up`
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`01:42.01`	`smacnay`	`hmm, can someone recommend a good lightweight wm? blackbox?`
`01:42.19`	`EdLin`	`smacnay: fvwm, openbox, ion3`
`01:42.19`	`Guerin`	`openbox is my choice`
`01:42.21`	`Naz`	`I'm fond of Fluxbox.`
`01:42.25`	`smacnay`	`EdLin: thanks`
`01:42.26`	`Guerin`	`if you want really light, evilwm`
`01:42.41`	`Guerin`	`icewm is also nice and windows-cloney`
`01:42.45`	`smacnay`	`Guerin: I have heard ratpoison is really light too.`
`01:42.46`	`Naz`	`Wmaker and IceWM too.`
`01:43.01`	`EdLin`	`smacnay: larswm is another ultra-light weight wm`
`01:43.02`	`Guerin`	`ratpoison is only good if you don't like being able to resize windows`
`01:43.09`	`Guerin`	`or have any window smaller than fullscreen`
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`01:43.20`	`suzhou`	`guys`
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`01:43.23`	`smacnay`	`where is the openbox config file?? Seems I have it on my machine but see no config file for it.`
`01:43.27`	`suzhou`	`i am very new to linu`
`01:43.28`	`suzhou`	`x`
`01:43.50`	`suzhou`	`wat is the difference between all these distros`
`01:43.55`	`Jenkens`	`haha`
`01:44.00`	`Jenkens`	`man that's a loaded question`
`01:44.02`	`EdLin`	`smacnay: just grab and use obconf, and apt-get install menu and run after every new program update-menus as user.`
`01:44.23`	`smacnay`	`EdLin: to change the background?`
`01:44.35`	`suzhou`	`oooooooooooooo crap`
`01:44.38`	`EdLin`	`smacnay: the alternative to obconf is to edit XML. You don't want that.`
`01:44.41`	`suzhou`	`OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CRAP`
`01:44.49`	`suzhou`	`NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!`
`01:44.50`	`Guerin`	`smacnay: the short answer is that some of them are shit, and debian is good`
`01:44.54`	`Guerin`	`suzhou:`
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`01:44.59`	`suzhou`	`NO!!!!!!!!!`
`01:45.01`	`Guerin`	`suzhou: i trust you already know that`
`01:45.02`	`smacnay`	`Guerin: you want suzhou`
`01:45.02`	`dvs`	`suzhou: formatting a drive?`
`01:45.04`	`suzhou`	`WHY`
`01:45.05`	`suzhou`	`WHY ME!`
`01:45.06`	`suzhou`	`!`
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`01:45.12`	`dvs`	`good`
`01:45.17`	`Guerin`	`riddance`
`01:45.25`	`dvs`	`man`
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`01:45.40`	`suzhou`	`ok`
`01:45.54`	`suzhou`	`i installed xfonts`
`01:45.56`	`suzhou`	`chinese`
`01:46.08`	`suzhou`	`but sypnatic removed my beloved open office!`
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`01:46.12`	`suzhou`	`why!?`
`01:46.20`	`Naz`	`Then, like, reinstall openoffice.`
`01:46.37`	`suzhou`	`how long does that take?`
`01:46.42`	`Naz`	`Depends.`
`01:46.51`	`suzhou`	`around`
`01:47.01`	`suzhou`	`on a p3 celeron`
`01:47.08`	`Naz`	`Depends on your connection speed.`
`01:47.09`	`EdLin`	`suzhou: should take no time if the archives are in /var/cache/apt/archives`
`01:47.09`	`suzhou`	`with 128 megs`
`01:47.17`	`Naz`	`Just apt-get it.`
`01:47.20`	`suzhou`	`o`
`01:47.28`	`suzhou`	`im going off for 2 mins`
`01:47.30`	`suzhou`	`cya`
`01:47.39`	`suzhou`	`thanks for all the help 2`
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`01:48.11`	`Naz`	`... Right.`
`01:49.08`	`tengulre11`	`suzhou: are you chinese?`
`01:49.20`	`Naz`	`He's gone.`
`01:49.27`	`dvs`	`tengulre11: he's gone`
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`01:50.42`	`Cooner750`	`My audio device is a "0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 12)", what can I do to get it working?`
`01:50.57`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: what kernel?`
`01:51.18`	`Cooner750`	`Er... Actually, I wanted to ask about that first. O_o ... I have the 2.4 kernel, can I update that?`
`01:51.39`	`pstickne`	`Cooner750, 2.6.16 here :-)`
`01:51.42`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: If you're not attached to it?`
`01:51.43`	`pstickne`	`!linux26`
`01:51.46`	`pstickne`	`:(`
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`01:52.07`	`Cooner750`	`Was something supported to happen...`
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`01:52.10`	`Cooner750`	`supposed*`
`01:52.31`	`pstickne`	`I was hoping so.`
`01:53.01`	`litage`	`when the debian installer asks for the directory of the debian repository on the server, if i want to install etch, what do i type?`
`01:53.48`	`Cooner750`	`Do I just install kernel-image-2.6-686 or what?`
`01:54.09`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: If you want the 2.6 kernel.`
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`01:54.36`	`Cooner750`	`Does it matter? Can I still get the audio device working without it?`
`01:54.50`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: you could`
`01:54.55`	`Cooner750`	`How?`
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`01:55.12`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r)`
`01:55.31`	`zepeuga`	`where can i download the testing netinstall iso ?`
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`01:58.06`	`Cooner750`	`I still get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System'"`
`01:58.24`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: what are you doing?`
`01:59.12`	`Cooner750`	`Trying to test it`
`01:59.17`	`dvs`	`how?`
`01:59.19`	`Cooner750`	`using Multimedia Systems Selector`
`01:59.31`	`dvs`	`never heard of it`
`01:59.35`	`Cooner750`	`in Gnome..`
`01:59.59`	`dvs`	`the Gnome sound system could be part of the problem`
`02:00.15`	`Cooner750`	`is there a module I need to run for this audio chipset/`
`02:00.16`	`Cooner750`	`?`
`02:00.20`	`MyApple876`	`#kernel2,4,0`
`02:00.25`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: alsaconf`
`02:00.36`	`zepeuga`	`where can i download the testing netinstall iso ?`
`02:00.47`	`zepeuga`	`i only found stable`
`02:00.59`	`Cooner750`	`dvs: I have`
`02:01.03`	`Cooner750`	`to no avail...`
`02:01.19`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: I'd turn off the Gnome sound system`
`02:01.22`	`MyApple876`	`guys check out #kernel2,4,0`
`02:01.25`	`Cooner750`	`Er...`
`02:02.05`	`Cooner750`	`attempting to run esd states "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"`
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`02:03.16`	`MyApple876`	`come on guys, check out #kernel2,4,0`
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`02:05.06`	`Cooner750`	`i guess I have no sound..`
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`02:11.47`	`Cooner750`	`Is there possibly anything I can do to get my audio working?`
`02:12.14`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: I already told you what I'd do. (but you kept on enabling sound systems)`
`02:12.34`	`Cooner750`	`What you told me did not work`
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`02:13.20`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: So you enabled it again?`
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`02:18.22`	`Cooner750`	`I'm confused`
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`02:19.01`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: Turn off ALL sound systems (Gnome, arts, esd). Then try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp`
`02:19.16`	`SJr\|nx`	`Whats a good program to convert a DVD into something playable on an iPod Video?`
`02:21.02`	`Cooner750`	`I hear static`
`02:21.09`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: then ALSA works`
`02:21.22`	`Cooner750`	`then why is no sound coming from other apps.. O.o`
`02:21.23`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: it's the sound systems that were getting in the way`
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`02:21.46`	`Cooner750`	`Now all of the sudden it is`
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`02:21.49`	`Cooner750`	`well at least it works`
`02:21.58`	`Cooner750`	`That cant be good`
`02:22.03`	`Cooner750`	`The music sounds scratchy`
`02:22.07`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: you have to add two modules to the /etc/modules file`
`02:22.31`	`Cooner750`	`Can I do anything about the scratchy audio?`
`02:22.59`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: you did do ^C in the cat /dev/... thing right?`
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`02:23.16`	`rshakin`	`damn this module wont compile`
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`02:23.38`	`Cooner750`	`yes /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp created static`
`02:23.52`	`dvs`	`Cooner750: you did press Ctrl-C to stop it right?`
`02:24.21`	`Cooner750`	`No...`
`02:24.27`	`dvs`	`Well...`
`02:24.33`	`Cooner750`	`I closed the terminal`
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`02:25.01`	`dvs`	`and the noise stopped right?`
`02:25.04`	`Cooner750`	`Yes`
`02:25.10`	`Cooner750`	`about 3 seconds after I closed it`
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`02:26.33`	`Almsx`	`hello for all`
`02:26.37`	`Almsx`	`good night`
`02:26.43`	`dvs`	`Well, I'd add the sound modules to the /etc/modules file or else sound won't work when you reboot the computer`
`02:27.53`	`Cooner750`	`it dosent get rebooted often, and I have to go. But the audio is still scratchy.. really bad`
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`02:28.23`	`dvs`	`alright, if you can live with that`
`02:28.35`	`dvs`	`(the sound not working on reboot)`
`02:30.22`	`tuv`	`dvs, hotplug (or udev) should take care of loading sound modules properly on boot, shouldn't it?`
`02:30.56`	`dvs`	`tuv: udev won't. hotplug might load the OSS sound module instead of the ALSA one`
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`02:32.22`	`tuv`	`dvs, udev does hotplug's job in recent kernels. and you can always avoid loading oss modules using blacklists, which is automated by the linux-sound-base package`
`02:32.36`	`dvs`	`tuv: or the alsa-base package`
`02:32.47`	`tuv`	`dvs, well`
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`02:34.52`	`luke771`	`Hi ppl`
`02:35.05`	`luke771`	`anyone can help me with sound configuration?`
`02:35.50`	`luke771`	`just installed debian sarge, got the video working but no sounds, via97, gnome volume is up, but no sounds`
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`02:38.05`	`mikefoo`	`How can I tell what my filesystem block size is?`
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`02:39.14`	`jrsims`	`how can I disable AppleTalk at startup?`
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`02:40.06`	`jrsims`	`anyone? anyone?`
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`02:42.25`	`n00rul`	`luke771: are your trying everything as root?`
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`02:42.51`	`tuv`	`jrsims, uninstall it`
`02:42.55`	`inflex`	`how do I make debian rebuild the sendmail.cf file from the .mc when modifications are done?`
`02:43.06`	`jrsims`	`tuv: how?`
`02:43.38`	`tuv`	`jrsims, apt-get remove netatalk`
`02:43.48`	`jrsims`	`k`
`02:43.50`	`tuv`	`jrsims, you may want to add --purge to that`
`02:44.09`	`jrsims`	`sweet. done`
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`02:45.23`	`jrsims`	`anyone know how linux vs Freebsd stacks up these days in regards to networking?`
`02:45.43`	`jrsims`	`freebsd was 20-30% more efficient, last I heard`
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`02:46.31`	`luke771`	`I heard freebsd was very good but I couldn't install it`
`02:46.43`	`inflex`	`O_o ?`
`02:46.51`	`luke771`	`sound problem here`
`02:46.54`	`luke771`	`debian sarge`
`02:47.04`	`luke771`	`alsamixer: command not found`
`02:47.08`	`jrsims`	`I'm torn between debian and Freebsd now`
`02:47.11`	`luke771`	`but alsa is installed`
`02:47.14`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: last I heard, they were at least much closer, although I think FreeBSD is still ahead in that area...`
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`02:47.24`	`Jeems`	`hi`
`02:47.29`	`tuv`	`mikefoo, dumpe2fs -h /dev/hda1`
`02:47.30`	`luke771`	`hi`
`02:47.36`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: install Debian GNU/kFreeBSD :P`
`02:47.40`	`jrsims`	`cool. I was thinking of using one of my spare machines as a router. Guess freebsd would be best at that.`
`02:47.47`	`Jeems`	`Hey, I just found out that my computer only boots from CD's not DVD's despite being a DVD drive :S`
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`02:47.54`	`jrsims`	`lunitik: is that real?`
`02:47.55`	`Jeems`	`so I've booted it up from knoppix`
`02:47.59`	`inflex`	`FreeBSD has the advantage that they've got a tighter control of the reins in terms of kernel development (etc)`
`02:48.00`	`Jeems`	`what I need to know is`
`02:48.03`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: yes`
`02:48.10`	`Jeems`	`is there a way to start the debian install from knoppix ?`
`02:48.29`	`jrsims`	`so who has the better dev model? BSD or linux?`
`02:48.33`	`inflex`	`The trouble with linux usually stems from overzealous cowboys`
`02:48.40`	`inflex`	`jrsims: that's relative`
`02:48.47`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/`
`02:48.53`	`inflex`	`jrsims: for some aspects, Linux is better, for others, FreeBSD`
`02:49.18`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: its fairly close to stable too last I heard... although I can't find the images they were putting out not too long back..`
`02:49.20`	`tuv`	`Jeems, debootstrap`
`02:49.27`	`inflex`	`jrsims: I for one was really turned off the Linux kernel by the whole horrible scheduler mess and the unpredictable firewall development during the late 90's early 2000's`
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`02:49.51`	`inflex`	`I mean, the linux kernel is a great development pot... but that's exactly what worries some people.`
`02:50.10`	`Jeems`	`tuv will that use my debian DVD /`
`02:50.11`	`Jeems`	`?`
`02:50.28`	`lunitik`	`inflex: FreeBSD is moving along fast these days too...`
`02:50.29`	`tuv`	`Jeems, usually it uses your internet connection`
`02:50.52`	`jrsims`	`yeah, scott long is looking to optimize bsd for desktop`
`02:50.55`	`inflex`	`lunitik: yes, there's been (it would appear) a lot of developer movement towards FBSD.`
`02:51.12`	`inflex`	`FBSD has always been -great- for the server.`
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`02:51.31`	`inflex`	`The trouble with linux I think is that all the distros create an incredibly fractured support base`
`02:51.35`	`jrsims`	`I guess version upgrades are still a bitch though.`
`02:51.39`	`jrsims`	`on bsd`
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`02:52.44`	`lunitik`	`inflex: thats not an issue at all... just more choice... don't like one support, use another... it ensures the support structures for distro's _have_ to be up to par...`
`02:53.14`	`lunitik`	`inflex: unlike Microsoft, who can leave you on hold for 2 hours, and get away with it, because thats the only official support route...`
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`02:53.16`	`inflex`	`lunitik: the issue is that it's a lot more work to keep up to date with supporting -all- varieties of linux`
`02:53.18`	`jrsims`	`I kinda feel like bsd actually gets the good stuff from linux, while linux is the volatile testing ground these days.`
`02:53.31`	`pstickne`	`take #debian for instance, support sucks ;>`
`02:53.35`	`inflex`	`jrsims: well, Linux lifted a lot of stuff from FBSD ;)`
`02:53.40`	`lunitik`	`inflex: no one supports all varieties of linux`
`02:53.59`	`jrsims`	`inflex: so why doesn't linux rip BSD's tcp/ip stack?`
`02:54.05`	`inflex`	`lunitik: exactly, which is why it's a pain when I get a "linux" support call and find it's some obscure linux variety that does things "different" for the sake of being different`
`02:54.11`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: because it can?`
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`02:54.35`	`pstickne`	`jrsims, netgraph is for pansies. duh.`
`02:54.36`	`luke771`	`got it. it was the alsa configuration thanks for helping, averyone (yes, that's sarcastic)`
`02:54.38`	`jrsims`	`I mean, if you want the linux kernel to be as good as it can be, wouldn't you incorporate the best tcp/ip stack out there?`
`02:54.38`	`inflex`	`as apposed to FreeBSD support calls - where everything is 99% always in the same place... unless the admin was a linux admin before and rehacked things ;)`
`02:55.10`	`inflex`	`jrsims: linux is well beyond just simple switches now... there's a lot of egos and politics behind such moves.`
`02:55.13`	`luke771`	`btw now I have to fix the keyboard`
`02:55.17`	`inflex`	`(likewise with FreeBSD )`
`02:55.30`	`lunitik`	`inflex: I don't know... I'd question the support company if they were willing to support any distro there is ...`
`02:55.52`	`jrsims`	`inflex: but linus doesn't care about the politics it seems. Hasn't he publicly declared that we would change the linux API anytime, any day at will?`
`02:56.00`	`jrsims`	`HE would, not we would`
`02:56.07`	`muaddib`	`Curious... I am considering building out a new machine for my personal use unfortunately I haven't done this since 2000, but need a desperate upgrade. A friend of mine told me that I should get something that I can Overclock, but back in the day that was straight taboo. Curious is overclocking stil bad or has it gotten better`
`02:56.08`	`lunitik`	`inflex: if you don't specialize in something... you usually suck at everything`
`02:56.31`	`pstickne`	`muaddib, don't listen to your friend. he's lying.`
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`02:56.48`	`pstickne`	`muaddib, back when you could get 600mhz at 900mhz, overclocking was execellent - a 50% gain!`
`02:56.54`	`inflex`	`lunitik: it'd be nice if we could do that all the time. Reality tends to dictate that you will be thrust into situations where you don't want to be.`
`02:56.58`	`coywolf`	`when I loged in, how to disable further logins?`
`02:57.01`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: the kernel API in unstable by design... yes`
`02:57.12`	`inflex`	`lunitik: I do specialise... I specialise in sendmail/postfix email content filtering solutions and MIME decoding.`
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`02:57.31`	`bluefox83`	`ok, i have a problem with NTP installing itself...`
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`02:57.45`	`inflex`	`lunitik: but by that very notion, I end up having to handle installs from everything between OpenBSD to Solaris 7`
`02:57.45`	`bluefox83`	`er ntp`
`02:57.45`	`pstickne`	`muaddib, when you start at 3ghz and add 400mhz, what improvement do you get? except possibly lower life and instability.`
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`02:57.46`	`jrsims`	`lunitik: are you on debian now?`
`02:57.47`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: yes`
`02:57.51`	`inflex`	`Anyhow, I'm just saying that it's not always black/white.`
`02:57.55`	`bluefox83`	`it wont install, it wont remove...`
`02:58.03`	`inflex`	`Alright!!!! 16 model airplanes just arrived here for me! Party time!`
`02:58.26`	`bluefox83`	`it's tuck in limbo and i can't get anything else to install or remove with apt or dpkg till it's solved..any ideas?`
`02:58.29`	`pstickne`	`muaddib, just get something that fits your goal ... weather it is running some services, browsing the internet, or playing new FPS games.`
`02:58.32`	`bluefox83`	`*stuck`
`02:58.39`	`jrsims`	`lunitik: did you say earlier that you had freebsd too?`
`02:58.47`	`lunitik`	`bluefox83: what branch of Debian?`
`02:58.52`	`bluefox83`	`unstable`
`02:59.02`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: I've used FBSD before...`
`02:59.20`	`lunitik`	`bluefox83: then you ought to be able to fix that yourself, good luck`
`02:59.26`	`mfrisch`	`fbsd is interesting`
`02:59.33`	`jrsims`	`lunitik: I was about to ask why you switched to debian. :)`
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`02:59.58`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: I used Debian first... I just give other things a shot when I break my Debian ;)`
`02:59.58`	`muaddib`	`pstickne: true, but have you seen the new but the Dual core opteron can go from 2.0 to 2.7Ghz`
`03:00.32`	`mfrisch`	`ls`
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`03:01.06`	`pstickne`	`muaddib, there is a similar topic in ##linux`
`03:01.13`	`pstickne`	`muaddib, did you start both? O.o`
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`03:01.32`	`cunzhang`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:01.42`	`jrsims`	`yeah, I've dabbled in fbsd, ubuntu, and now debian. I like debian. I like freebsd. Now I'm trying to decide which to lean towards, to grow with, etc.`
`03:01.58`	`pstickne`	`muaddib, overclock if you want, but just know you are stepping outside the manufacturers rating`
`03:02.06`	`muaddib`	`pstickne: Yes I did :)`
`03:02.14`	`mfrisch`	`jrsims: I would like freebsd for servers`
`03:02.26`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: I enjoy the little things about Debian, just makes maintaining it so much easier...`
`03:02.52`	`cunzhang`	`I can't install postgres with apt-get install postgres`
`03:03.04`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: like I said, there is work to ensure you don't even have to pick... linux kernel for desktop, freebsd kernel for server... both using Debian :D`
`03:03.04`	`jrsims`	`yeah, version upgrades seem a lot easier. Everything on debian seems easy interchangeable, and I like that model.`
`03:03.11`	`cunzhang`	the error is : useradd: invalid numeric argument 'postgres' adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/postgresql -g postgres -s /bin/bash -u 103 postgres' returned error code 3. Aborting. what's wrong with it?
`03:03.42`	`jrsims`	`yeah, and have you heard of that solaris/debian system out there? nexenta?`
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`03:03.50`	`jrsims`	`solaris with debian package management`
`03:04.19`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: thats OpenSolaris/Ubuntu ... targeting Solaris at the Desktop is a bad choice imo`
`03:04.21`	`jrsims`	`solaris has a fat ass, though.`
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`03:04.50`	`Jeems`	`hey tuv ...`
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`03:05.05`	`coywolf`	`#suse people are more friendly than #debian people`
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`03:05.13`	`Jeems`	`where might I find the kernal that the debian disc boots from? /dev/hdc/boot ?`
`03:05.38`	`Jeems`	`*kernel`
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`03:06.14`	`lunitik`	`coywolf: #suse people are also morons`
`03:06.25`	`EdLin`	`jrsims: if you can't make up your mind on which OS you want to use, double boot them. :-)`
`03:07.11`	`tuv`	`Jeems, hey`
`03:07.11`	`jrsims`	`yeah, yeah, I know.`
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`03:07.52`	`bill-barriere`	`lunitik, why you little ...`
`03:08.07`	`jrsims`	`ah, what's the command to see all open ports on my sys?`
`03:08.18`	`amphi`	`jrsims: 'open, sesame'`
`03:08.20`	`Jeems`	`netstat`
`03:10.17`	`EdLin`	`bill-barriere: this channel is Debian, not #off-topic-stupidity`
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`03:10.32`	`lunitik`	`bill-barriere: shrug its true... SUSE's community is weak, and the support you get from that community is even weaker`
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`03:13.08`	`jrsims`	`any way to get a concise list of open ports - kinda like nmap localhost?`
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`03:13.26`	`jrsims`	`which I know is now the official way to check these things?`
`03:14.04`	`bluefox83`	`where can i find the apt exit codes?`
`03:14.26`	`bluefox83`	`apt exited with exit code 100...need to find out what that means and how to fix it o.o`
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`03:17.01`	`lunitik`	`jrsims: portmap nmap... many tools to do that...`
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`03:20.34`	`Pons`	`does anyone know a repository for installing vlc in debian etch`
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`03:21.03`	`tuv`	`Pons, any?`
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`03:21.16`	`bluefox83`	`why the hell can't i get rid of this damn thing? :(`
`03:21.18`	`tuv`	`Pons, what's wrong with your current repos.`
`03:21.25`	`Pons`	`it is just not there`
`03:22.00`	`tuv`	`Pons, what mirror is that?`
`03:22.07`	`Pons`	`ftp.cl.debian.org`
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`03:23.33`	`tuv`	`Pons, just try any other mirror from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list`
`03:23.42`	`lunitik`	`~info vlc etch`
`03:24.18`	`lunitik`	`!info vlc etch`
`03:24.31`	`Trewas`	`vlc is not in testing currently`
`03:24.39`	`bluefox83`	`lunitik, i've never dealt with this particular error issue before, can you give me some help please?`
`03:24.44`	`lunitik`	`Trewas: that'd explain it`
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`03:24.53`	`lunitik`	`bluefox83: nope`
`03:24.57`	`bluefox83`	`:/`
`03:25.29`	`Pons`	`damn..`
`03:25.29`	`bluefox83`	`lunitik, would you happen to know where i can enlist the aide of others ?`
`03:25.29`	`Pons`	`does anyone know any other way of broadcasting video over a network`
`03:25.33`	`lunitik`	`bluefox83: most won't support Sid...`
`03:25.39`	`pstickne`	`Pons, vlc`
`03:25.46`	`pstickne`	`oh, nvm`
`03:25.55`	`lunitik`	`!tell Pons about pinning`
`03:25.56`	`Pons`	`any OTHER way`
`03:26.10`	`grendelson`	I thikn I solved my problem - I'm getting a undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' and I think the answer was to install libxxf86vm-dev -- However I can't recall what command to use to see what package might provide the referenced function
`03:26.11`	`lunitik`	`Pons: installing VLC from sid should work`
`03:26.20`	`grendelson`	`(apt-cache aptitude apt-file provides?)`
`03:26.22`	`tuv`	`Pons, you can get vlc off unstable using apt pinning`
`03:26.22`	`Pons`	`lunitik, already tried.. doesn't`
`03:26.39`	`Pons`	`tuv, didn't know what pinning was`
`03:26.40`	`lunitik`	`Pons: ahh... /msg dpkg ssb ?`
`03:26.55`	`tuv`	`Pons, i do have vlc installed from unstable on an etch system`
`03:27.13`	`pstickne`	`I have vlc from testing (is that the same as unstable?)`
`03:27.28`	`lunitik`	`pstickne: no you don't... vlc isn't in testing`
`03:27.36`	`pstickne`	`lunitik, hmm, then how did I get it :((`
`03:27.50`	`lunitik`	`pstickne: no idea... how did you?`
`03:27.59`	`lunitik`	`pstickne: its in sid/unstable`
`03:28.01`	`tuv`	`Pons, giving priorities to different distributions, i.e. higher priority for testing than unstable. this way you can list unstable sources for apt without upgrading your whole system, and you would have access to packages only available on unstable`
`03:28.03`	`pstickne`	`with aptitude :)`
`03:28.04`	`bluefox83`	`lunitik, the branch shouldn't matter, the issue should be simple to solve i just don't know the commands...`
`03:28.21`	`pstickne`	`backports?`
`03:28.27`	`bluefox83`	`ntp has some kinda funky installer and removal script..i need to find it`
`03:28.29`	`Pons`	`yup`
`03:28.35`	`Pons`	`i think that is what i'm gonna do`
`03:28.39`	`lunitik`	`bluefox83: stop directing questions at me... I'm not in the habit of supporting sid users`
`03:28.53`	`lunitik`	`pstickne: backports aren't for etch.`
`03:28.56`	`tuv`	`Pons, http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html`
`03:29.06`	`Pons`	`thx tuv`
`03:29.12`	`pstickne`	`my sources include stable, testing and sarge-backports, got VLC :(`
`03:29.14`	`bluefox83`	`lunitik, when we work together to solve issues things get done`
`03:29.30`	`pstickne`	`lunitik, ohh.`
`03:29.35`	`bluefox83`	`lunitik, nitpicking about what branch i use is no help at all`
`03:29.42`	`lunitik`	`bluefox83: when users don't know what they're doing, and install sid, things break...`
`03:29.51`	`lunitik`	`bluefox83: then ignore me :/`
`03:29.54`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell bluefox83 -about bat`
`03:30.00`	`bluefox83`	`lunitik, how am i going to learn if i don't break it?`
`03:30.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: follow those instructions for starters.`
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`03:30.28`	`grendelson`	`a good friendof mine - linux guru type had set his bash comand lien to work like the Vi editor - an idea hwo I do that ? (He's in another state now and asleep no doubt:-)`
`03:30.37`	`lunitik`	`dondelelcaro: Sid ... probably bad post-inst script...`
`03:30.43`	`Pons`	`so, with pinning you get a mixed system`
`03:30.59`	`dondelelcaro`	`grendelson: help set; read about set -o vi`
`03:31.11`	`lunitik`	`Pons: yes, you don't want to do that with sarge though... only etch and sid atm...`
`03:31.24`	`Pons`	`;)`
`03:31.25`	`grendelson`	`dondelelcaro, :he set in vi?`
`03:31.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`grendelson: no, it's a shell option.`
`03:31.39`	`grendelson`	`aye grcais`
`03:31.43`	`grendelson`	`gracias even`
`03:31.46`	`grendelson`	`:-)`
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`03:32.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`you can also M-C-j to switch`
`03:32.31`	`tuv`	`Pons, if you don't want a mixed system and want vlc, you can add unstable sources, install vlc, and then remove the unstable sources`
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`03:33.01`	`Pons`	`tuv, i don't care about a mixed system`
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`03:33.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`C-e to go back to emacs mode; man readline for details`
`03:33.56`	`tuv`	`Pons, good.. because packages get removed from testing often, but less often from unstable`
`03:34.55`	`tuv`	`Pons, a good example: maxima. this package has been out of testing for quite a while.. more than a few months.. somewhat around a year if i'm not mistaken`
`03:35.35`	`Pons`	`i know.. it has happened to me`
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`03:35.42`	`grendelson`	`bash: : command not found <--that's what I got when i hit Alt-Ctrl-j`
`03:35.50`	`grendelson`	`(Alt == Meta?)`
`03:35.56`	`Pons`	`and i just don't want to install sid because of the lots of updates that become available daily`
`03:36.30`	`bluefox83`	`dondelelcaro, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3343.`
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`03:37.47`	`jbrimble`	`I was wonder what sort of capabilities cron has.. I want to schedule a web browser executing a PHP script every morning at 6am, and then printing the outputted PDF file as soon as it's generated. Can this be done?`
`03:37.53`	`deado`	`hmm`
`03:37.59`	`tuv`	`Pons, i find testing/unstable with apt pinning a perfect system`
`03:38.05`	`deado`	`i got a problem with apt-get :/`
`03:38.11`	`jbrimble`	`i have no idea why that went bold`
`03:38.38`	`deado`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/QeqDHU24.html`
`03:38.39`	`tuv`	`jbrimble, why not?`
`03:38.40`	`coywolf`	`lunaphyte, <lafrance> were morons maybe however we try to help others`
`03:39.01`	`grendelson`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:39.07`	`jbrimble`	`to be honest, i've never really played around with cron.. i just wanted to see if it was possible before i tried.`
`03:39.16`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: you're seeing #380233`
`03:39.26`	`jbrimble`	`so, you can get Cron to, say, hit the print button in firefox?`
`03:40.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: but in any event, what is the final state that you want to have?`
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`03:40.30`	`zimm2`	`just a quick printer question, ive been given an epson stylus dx3800, has anyone managed to get one of these to work with debian ?`
`03:40.55`	`bluefox83`	`dondelelcaro, it looks like ntp is a part of ntpdate, but isn't really important..i'd like to just remove it for now..maybe when it's fixed in apt i'll redownload it`
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`03:41.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: ok, them dpkg --purge ntp; if it fails, rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/ntp.postinst; make sure that the ntp user has been deleted (use userdel or similar) and go from there.`
`03:41.44`	`grendelson`	`zimm2, If there is a cups info file or driver for it it shoudl work in debian - have you checked out cups compatibility list ?`
`03:42.00`	`floundering`	`Hi, I'm on unstable with the kde package installed, what is the strategy for removing kdegames kde-amusements etc. without breaking anything else?`
`03:42.29`	`Guerin`	`floundering: the best strategy, if you'r eon unstable, is not to change anything.`
`03:42.48`	`zimm2`	`grendelson, in process of googling for everything i can find.. just dont like going on wild goose chases.. been there before with sooo many cheap printers in the past :)`
`03:43.13`	`Guerin`	`floundering: but removing kdegames and such shouldn't break anything - the 'kde' pachage which will be removed is a bit irrelevant`
`03:43.16`	`bluefox83`	`dondelelcaro, how can i keep apt from re-downloading it for now while it completes my dist-upgrade?`
`03:43.44`	`bluefox83`	`is there an --except flag?`
`03:43.45`	`Guerin`	`bluefox83: apt won't re-download a file it already has, under any circumstances`
`03:43.46`	`grendelson`	`zimm2, I thought (hevent been ina awhile) that the cups pages had a lsit of all known to work or beleived to work printers. Most epsons work with jsut the epson info I believe (may be confusing scanner part with epson backend :-(`
`03:43.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: it won't once you've purged it, ntp-simple and anything else that depends upon ntp.`
`03:44.07`	`Guerin`	`bluefox83: if it's needing a different version or something, it'll get it, but not the same one it already has.`
`03:44.10`	`bluefox83`	`dondelelcaro, it wouldn't purge, had to remove the removal script..`
`03:44.22`	`zimm2`	`grendelson, yeh im picking up a lot of sane related issues, but it's looking do-able :)`
`03:44.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: right, remove the removal script and purge it, then remove anything that depends on ntp.`
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`03:44.56`	`Bonez`	`i'm using gparted at the moment to resize a FAT32 partition, how long should I expect this to take? it's been about 30 minutes and nothing has happened so far, the progress bar just keeps flashing side to side.`
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`03:46.49`	`bluefox83`	`i removed the removal script..and tried to purge again..it failed`
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`03:47.43`	`bluefox83`	`ok i got it`
`03:47.51`	`bluefox83`	`had to remove the init.d file`
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`03:48.23`	`bluefox83`	`now, how do i continue with the upgrade without it trying to re-run the installer for ntp?`
`03:48.27`	`Guerin`	`Bonez: that sounds like b0-rk to me`
`03:48.56`	`floundering`	`Guerin: Is it just a matter of changing anything flagged as Automatic due to the "envelope" kde package to manual selection?`
`03:48.59`	`bluefox83`	`nevermind`
`03:49.04`	`Bonez`	`Guerin: yeah I have also tried the official gparted livecd and that wont do it either`
`03:49.05`	`bluefox83`	`it's done :)`
`03:50.00`	`Guerin`	`floundering: nope. Once you remove anything in the 'kde' metapackage, the metapackage goes as well.`
`03:50.16`	`Guerin`	`bluefox83: is the filesystem defragmented and sufficiently empty?`
`03:50.25`	`Guerin`	`Bonez:`
`03:50.39`	`Guerin`	`bluefox83: sorry`
`03:50.42`	`bluefox83`	`Guerin, i fixed it :)`
`03:51.14`	`bluefox83`	`thanks dondelelcaro and Guerin :)`
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`03:53.40`	`tuv`	`Bonez, i found gparted to be buggy in most runs`
`03:54.02`	`Bonez`	`tuv: yeah ill see if i can find a partition magic boot cd, thanks`
`03:54.34`	`tuv`	`Bonez, you can just use the command-line tools`
`03:55.15`	`Bonez`	`tuv: i could not work those out. can you tell me how i would resize /dev/hdb from 120gb to 100gb?`
`03:56.21`	`tuv`	`Bonez, do you have data in there that you'd like to preserve and cannot back it up somewhere else temporarily?`
`03:56.35`	`Bonez`	`tuv: yes`
`03:57.03`	`Bonez`	`it's not mission crital data, if i lost it then it's no big deal, but i'd rather not lose it if possible`
`03:57.45`	`danf_1979`	`How can I check to what groups a user is member? anyone?`
`03:58.07`	`deadcat`	`danf_1979: id`
`03:58.23`	`Bonez`	`danf_1979: id username`
`03:58.25`	`danf_1979`	`ok, thanks`
`03:58.27`	`danf_1979`	`yes`
`03:58.28`	`danf_1979`	`:)`
`03:58.37`	`Vasistha`	`Bonez: one thing you should understand -- you can't really resize /dev/hdb -- that would be resizing your entire hard drive. You can resize partitions on the drive, e.g. /dev/hdb1 or /dev/hdb3 or whatever, but not /dev/hdb`
`03:58.41`	`jrsims`	`who was the first person to say "otay" instead of "okay"?`
`03:58.51`	`bucky`	`eddie murphy`
`03:58.56`	`deadcat`	`jrsims: me`
`03:58.59`	`Bonez`	`Vasistha: yes i'm aware of that. there is only 1 single fat32 partition on the drive currently, it is /dev/hdb1`
`03:59.09`	`deadcat`	`jrsims: 1992`
`03:59.24`	`tuv`	`Bonez, did you try parted?`
`03:59.25`	`jrsims`	`and what the hello for?`
`03:59.43`	`bucky`	`Buckwheat`
`04:00.03`	`Bonez`	`tuv: yes but i'n not sure of the commands and i don't want to break anything`
`04:00.03`	`Vasistha`	`Bonez: if possible, I'd advise running windows disk defragmenter first, and then use the command-line tool parted rather than a gui tool like gparted or qtparted`
`04:00.15`	`Bonez`	`Vasistha: i don't have windows installed`
`04:00.52`	`Vasistha`	`Bonez: It also wouldn't be a bad idea to back up the data if possible. Hopefully the drive isn't too badly fragmented, as long as that's the case, the repartitioning should work fine.`
`04:01.39`	`Bonez`	`I just found my partition magic cd, so i can boot from that and see how it goes`
`04:01.42`	`Bonez`	`thanks for ur help`
`04:01.59`	`jrsims`	`damn. roms. I love 'em.`
`04:02.19`	`Vasistha`	`Bonez: good luck. partition magic is a good bet for your situation.`
`04:02.37`	`Bonez`	`yeah I trust a windows program with fat32 a bit more than a linux program :D`
`04:02.43`	`Bonez`	`cheers, be back soon hopefully if it all goes well`
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`04:03.49`	`tuv`	`Vasistha, parted claims to be able to take care of fragmented partitions`
`04:04.29`	`Vasistha`	`tuv: oh yeah? well, it's been a few years since I did that operation, I think it was late 2002, and back then I remember reading that advice`
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`04:05.18`	`jrsims`	`hey, is there a package for xorg?`
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`04:05.26`	`Vasistha`	`jrsims: yes.`
`04:05.53`	`Vasistha`	`jrsims: /msg dpkg xorg`
`04:06.09`	`jrsims`	`tasty`
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`04:08.10`	`zimm2`	`hmmm, well cups has correctly identified the printer... but bit wont print a damn thing ... lol`
`04:08.36`	`Vasistha`	`why do I get the feeling my reaction to that wouldn't be laughing? :P`
`04:09.01`	`zimm2`	`laugh or cry ... laugh or cry ..`
`04:09.19`	`Vasistha`	`okay, now I'm laughing :-) but of course, it's not my printer`
`04:09.47`	`Vasistha`	`!cups`
`04:09.47`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup`
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`04:10.04`	`zimm2`	`heh`
`04:10.18`	`printk`	`hello. Can someone direct me to which package has glxgears so i can test out glx/dri xorg modules?`
`04:10.23`	`Jeems`	`hey if I try and mount a DVD in debian, is it correct to mount /media/cdrom0 ?`
`04:10.32`	`stew`	`printk: /msg dpkg glxgears`
`04:10.33`	`jetscreamer`	`if it's an hp cups likes some mc:par instead of lp0 or whatever`
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`04:10.40`	`printk`	`thanks`
`04:10.44`	`jetscreamer`	`mesa-utils`
`04:10.48`	`zimm2`	`only thing thats bugging me is that whilst i never expected it to work .. it got my hopes up by correctly identifying it .. ho hum ..`
`04:11.22`	`zimm2`	`its an epson stylus ..`
`04:11.42`	`Vasistha`	`Jeems: often times it is`
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`04:11.54`	`Jeems`	`for some reason it can't read my DVD :S`
`04:12.09`	`Vasistha`	`Jeems: if you think that's silly, then you can just make a symlink ln -s /media/cdrom0 /media/dvd`
`04:12.18`	`Guerin`	`Jeems: is it a data dvd or a dvd dvd`
`04:12.25`	`DocOC`	`Jeems: look at your /etc/fstab`
`04:12.28`	`Jeems`	`data`
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`04:12.31`	`Jeems`	`it's a debian DVD`
`04:12.45`	`Vasistha`	`heh, uh oh, we're on the spot`
`04:13.26`	`Guerin`	`zimm2: epson stylii are very well supported`
`04:13.45`	`Guerin`	`epson are relatively sane in that they make all their printers use one quite well-documented protocol`
`04:14.03`	`jrsims`	`wtf??? no mysql package?`
`04:14.09`	`Guerin`	`Jeems: omglolz`
`04:14.13`	`Vasistha`	`Guerin: that's one of the best things I've heard about epson`
`04:14.14`	`Guerin`	`jrsims: omglolz`
`04:14.23`	`Jeems`	`lol`
`04:14.23`	`zimm2`	`yeh ive heard that.. and it has indeed been correctly identified.. just aint actually printing yet ..`
`04:14.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`jrsims: you probably want mysql-server or mysql-client. apt-cache search is your friend.`
`04:14.26`	`Guerin`	`jrsims: apt-cache search mysql`
`04:14.27`	`jrsims`	`lollersk8s`
`04:14.29`	`Vasistha`	`jrsims: just search p.d.o you'll find it`
`04:14.32`	`Jeems`	`dang tab kep`
`04:14.35`	`Jeems`	`*key`
`04:14.49`	`Vasistha`	`better yet apt-cache search.......`
`04:14.51`	`Guerin`	`i gave up blaming my tab key years ago`
`04:15.04`	`jrsims`	`OMG!`
`04:15.08`	`Guerin`	`it's just that i'm too lazy to type more than one letter of someone's nick before hitting it`
`04:15.08`	`Vasistha`	`Guerin: yeah, it's the enter key that's the problem ;-)`
`04:15.14`	`jrsims`	`no mysql 5???`
`04:15.22`	`Vasistha`	`jrsims: not in sarge`
`04:15.25`	`Guerin`	`jrsims: sure there is, in !sarge`
`04:15.26`	`jrsims`	`F*CKERSKATES!`
`04:15.39`	`jrsims`	`that's testing?`
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`04:15.48`	`Guerin`	`you don't need mysquirrely5`
`04:16.01`	`jrsims`	`I do. need stored procedures.`
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`04:16.10`	`Guerin`	`HAH`
`04:16.17`	`Bangers`	`how do I scan my network to find all hosts on it, regardless of there network/subnet they are on`
`04:16.24`	`Bangers`	`i wanna see all hosts on my physical network`
`04:16.37`	`Vasistha`	`jrsims: you have two options: etch, or backports`
`04:16.40`	`jrsims`	`I'm going to do a month long tcpdump into mysql`
`04:16.58`	`jrsims`	`fuckin a. or I can wait till flippin December`
`04:16.59`	`bsd`	`Bangers: nmap -sP a.b.c.d/prefix`
`04:17.22`	`Guerin`	`Bangers: caution: doing this on someone else's network will get your arse kicked`
`04:17.28`	`Guerin`	`at least`
`04:17.55`	`Bangers`	`Guerin: lol .. i dont care. Ive plugged an uplink cable between two hosts and I need to find the other hosts IP address`
`04:18.09`	`Guerin`	`crikey`
`04:18.16`	`Guerin`	`you could just ask the admin`
`04:18.20`	`zimm2`	`ok, cups is saying (in kcontrol) "unable to retrieve printer list blah blah foo" yet through a browser it all seems ok .. (and whatevber i do it wont actually put ink on paper .. any quick idea's ? not really used printing on lkinux in about 5 years so am a bit vague ....`
`04:18.22`	`Bangers`	`bsd: eer, how will that find all hosts regardless of network/subnet they wont?`
`04:18.22`	`Guerin`	`or go and look at the machine`
`04:18.33`	`Bangers`	`sigh lol, i am the admin.`
`04:18.39`	`Guerin`	`zimm2: never use kcontrol. use http://localhost:631`
`04:18.44`	`Guerin`	`Bangers: oops.`
`04:18.50`	`Bangers`	`and the machine isnt a simple box, its a facelesss server and console port isnt working`
`04:18.51`	`zimm2`	`well there's one quick idea :)`
`04:19.11`	`Bangers`	`and i know ssh is running, but i dont have it's IP :) Stupid noob admins before me`
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`04:19.31`	`Vasistha`	`jrsims: alright, well it sounds like you don't want to run etch (I don't blame you) so why not try backports?`
`04:19.33`	`Spartanite2`	`q/ #chat`
`04:19.34`	`Guerin`	`hotdamn`
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`04:19.39`	`jrsims`	`so it looks like the debian team is getting their act together. Etch seems to be flippin hot shit.`
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`04:20.01`	`Guerin`	`jrsims: you imply tat their act wasn't togerther for sarge, which was also hot shot?`
`04:20.14`	`jrsims`	`old hot shit.`
`04:20.25`	`jrsims`	`probably a little cold by now`
`04:20.28`	`bsd`	`Bangers: yes, for your local network and even on a global IP too`
`04:20.30`	`Guerin`	`well, that's what happens when you freeze something for 2 years`
`04:20.37`	`jrsims`	`the team knows they were releasing too slow anyway. I don't need to say anything.`
`04:21.08`	`Jeems`	`It's realy awesome how the net-install CD has no support for WPA`
`04:21.21`	`jrsims`	`that is sweet`
`04:21.52`	`jrsims`	`a 2 year freeze is too damn long.`
`04:22.43`	`pstickne`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`04:23.32`	`DQuestions`	`well.. i keep on getting an error when i try to "apt-get install openssh-server"`
`04:23.39`	`pstickne`	`what error?`
`04:23.42`	`DQuestions`	`and when i try to update my DSLECT list (pacakges)`
`04:23.46`	`nevyn`	`DQuestions: which distribution are you running?`
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`04:24.14`	`DQuestions`	`E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open (11 Resource temporarly unabable)`
`04:24.35`	`Guerin`	`DQuestions: is something else using it?`
`04:24.45`	`Guerin`	`probable answer: yes.`
`04:24.54`	`grendelson`	`XF86VidModeQueryVersion' XF86VidModeGetModeLine' Anyone knwo where these fnx come from ? trying to build an app in QT and getting these errors. I've installed all the -dev pacakges I coul fin from google....
`04:24.55`	`Vasistha`	`DQuestions: you can only run one instance of aptitude, apt-get, dpkg, dselect, synaptic, etc., AT ONE TIME -- any of those will make the lock when they run`
`04:24.58`	`DQuestions`	`i dunno`
`04:25.12`	`Guerin`	`DQuestions: lsof or fuser will tell you`
`04:25.27`	`Vasistha`	`Guerin: heh ... he may have to apt-get lsof ;-)`
`04:25.27`	`DQuestions`	`i'm using debian 3.1 btw`
`04:25.29`	`grendelson`	`libxxf86vm-dev _ installed it and everyting else named libxx*`
`04:25.39`	`Guerin`	`Vasistha: hah`
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`04:26.23`	`Guerin`	`grendelson: you probably want to ask in #xorg or #xfree86.`
`04:26.32`	`Vasistha`	`grendelson: I hope what you mean is that you looked on google to find out which -dev packages you needed, and then you used apt-get to install them.....`
`04:26.48`	`Guerin`	`might be obsolete in the new xorg beasties`
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`04:27.17`	`grendelson`	`Vasistha, Right - everytime I foudn this error in googling it usually referred to a debian or ubuntu system and this was a highly recommended package - but I still am getting the inreferenced call error:-(`
`04:28.01`	`jrsims`	`new xorg is faster than debian stable xfree86?`
`04:28.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`jrsims: it's a very similar codebase, so that's rather unlikely.`
`04:28.27`	`DQuestions`	`any way to kill all of them at once`
`04:28.28`	`DQuestions`	`?`
`04:28.37`	`DQuestions`	`and then do what i want to do`
`04:28.38`	`grendelson`	`Guerin, The QT maintainers insist that the libxx* -dev pacakge above provides it and I can locate the *.so in question - however ti appearst hey are running a Fedora liek distro and all the problems seem to be ubuntu/debian so I figured I'd ask here if anyone else saw it /solved it...`
`04:28.51`	`dondelelcaro`	`DQuestions: ps axfu\|grep apt; will clue you in to what is using it.`
`04:29.08`	`Guerin`	`if the .so is in one of thos epackages, you probably just need to tell the script where to find it`
`04:29.27`	`Guerin`	`grendelson: ^`
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`04:30.55`	`grendelson`	`Guerin, It is in /usr/lib and the LIBS = $(SUBLIBS) -L/usr/lib in Makefile points there... Not sure what to do now :-( jsut left scratching my head now :-) 'm new to devlopment if you haven't guessed...`
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`04:31.13`	`DQuestions`	`errr`
`04:31.14`	`DQuestions`	`=/`
`04:31.29`	`Guerin`	`yeh, it should be finding it.`
`04:33.04`	`grendelson`	`If I want to name the *.so by name in a Makefile do I use -L or -l in LIBS line?`
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`04:34.19`	`cunzhang`	hi,why postgres can't create the user postgres.useradd: invalid numeric argument 'postgres' . adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/postgresql -g postgres -s /bin/bash -u 102 postgres' returned error code 3. Exiting.
`04:35.02`	`cunzhang`	`in /etc/passwd no user use uid 102`
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`04:35.18`	`Rifle[Hazard]`	`!idle`
`04:35.36`	`pstickne`	`... \| while read i; do echo $i; end; end // what am I doing wrong?`
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`04:35.58`	`pstickne`	`that tries to get input interactively instead of the data from the piper`
`04:36.00`	`pstickne`	`*pipe`
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`04:38.46`	`rshakin`	`hey how would i load this module /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-sparc64/kernel/drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic79xx.ko`
`04:40.06`	`pstickne`	`maybe if I didn't confuse ruby and bash syntax :))`
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`04:41.12`	`pstickne`	rshakin, `modprobe aic79xx` ?
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`04:42.26`	`grendelson`	`FOUnd IT. Apparently the fault is that there are multiple libGL s available.. QT compiled against dynamic - applications trying to used static! I renamed /usr/lib/libGL.a and make ran to completion jsut fine!`
`04:42.30`	`roxy_`	`is there a debian anti-virus that would scan the system for virus ? It is for a workstation, I am not interested in mail server anti-virus.`
`04:42.39`	`grendelson`	`Haven't tested app yet but so far so good :-)`
`04:42.50`	`jrsims`	`there a way to substitute the command "vi" for "nvi" instead of "vim"?`
`04:43.00`	`roxy_`	`jrsims: alias ?`
`04:43.13`	`rshakin`	`tried that already`
`04:43.38`	`grendelson`	`jrsims update-alternatives?`
`04:43.47`	`pstickne`	`rshakin, then you messed something up`
`04:43.50`	`grendelson`	`or a different link -s?`
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`04:44.10`	`pstickne`	`alias vi=nvi #but will only work interactively`
`04:44.43`	`Guerin`	`yeah, um, I wouldn't go renaming shared objects`
`04:44.50`	`Guerin`	`that's what symbolic links are for`
`04:45.00`	`jetscreamer`	`i used lame to rip a cd to mp3, but how do i get it to add the track# to the filename`
`04:45.09`	`jetscreamer`	`i got cddb queries working`
`04:45.17`	`pstickne`	`hmm, is it limited to only interactive? I just lied :(`
`04:45.19`	`jetscreamer`	`and have names but they're out of order`
`04:45.21`	`Guerin`	`jetscreamer: you can use seq in a for loop`
`04:45.24`	`Guerin`	`or similar`
`04:45.41`	`jetscreamer`	`ahh`
`04:46.03`	`jetscreamer`	`my script-foo needs a lot of work but i know what a for loop is at least`
`04:46.18`	`jetscreamer`	`thanks`
`04:46.24`	`jetscreamer`	`err thanks 12x`
`04:46.28`	`DQuestions`	`Okay new error = :"E: Coundlnt find package openssh-server"`
`04:46.43`	`DQuestions`	`after doing apt-get install package openssh-server`
`04:46.50`	`jetscreamer`	`apt-cache search openssh ?`
`04:46.58`	`jetscreamer`	`and did you really add the word package?`
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`04:48.04`	`Guerin`	`!.ma`
`04:48.08`	`Guerin`	`!ma`
`04:48.08`	`dpkg`	`well, ma is milliampere(s). Morocco`
`04:48.15`	`Guerin`	`maroc`
`04:48.16`	`Guerin`	`of course`
`04:48.33`	`DQuestions`	`and no i didnt add the word package`
`04:48.34`	`DQuestions`	`sorry`
`04:48.43`	`jetscreamer`	`just checking`
`04:48.54`	`jetscreamer`	`try the apt-cache search`
`04:49.01`	`jetscreamer`	`for the true filename`
`04:49.21`	`tuv`	`DQuestions, is this stable, testing or unstable?`
`04:49.28`	`DQuestions`	`btw... the cache stuff.. did give me something back`
`04:49.32`	`jetscreamer`	`dairy queen rocks`
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`04:49.42`	`DQuestions`	`i dunno.. i forgot which one i DL ed`
`04:49.44`	`DQuestions`	`anyway to check`
`04:49.46`	`DQuestions`	`i just kn ow its 3.1`
`04:49.50`	`jetscreamer`	`d/l'd?`
`04:49.53`	`jetscreamer`	`ah`
`04:50.04`	`DQuestions`	`hmm`
`04:50.06`	`jetscreamer`	`uname -a might help`
`04:50.09`	`Buchannon`	`I've always used apache1, but I just installed apache2 and can't figure out how to change the default document root... before it was an easy change in httpd.conf but onw I can't find it...`
`04:50.11`	`tuv`	`DQuestions, that's stable.. openssh-server does not exist on stable`
`04:50.12`	`roxy_`	`is clamav suitable for workstation ?`
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`04:50.30`	`rorot`	`hi, guys`
`04:50.30`	`DQuestions`	`so i should have gotten testing version?`
`04:50.32`	`DQuestions`	`or unstable ?`
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`04:50.41`	`jetscreamer`	`don't get unstable whatever you do`
`04:50.46`	`jetscreamer`	`at least not yet`
`04:50.48`	`DQuestions`	`or does this mean openssh is openssh-server?`
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`04:50.55`	`tuv`	`DQuestions, just install ssh`
`04:50.55`	`jetscreamer`	`is it for a desktop or a server`
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`04:51.02`	`roxy_`	`Buchannon: do a grep on some text of the page you see when you open your browser`
`04:51.29`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, apache2 - uses /etc/apache2/apache2.conf`
`04:51.43`	`tuv`	`DQuestions, for your future reference, you may want to use: apt-cache search --names-only ssh`
`04:51.53`	`tuv`	`DQuestions, to look up package names`
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`04:52.17`	`Buchannon`	`grendelson: yeah I got that far, but there is no mention of document root in apache2.conf....`
`04:52.48`	`DQuestions`	`i want to run ssh so i dont have to keep on switching back to my other computer.. more like "remote desktop"?`
`04:52.54`	`DQuestions`	`but command line based`
`04:53.01`	`DQuestions`	`so i can learn more about linux`
`04:53.16`	`jetscreamer`	`just install ssh then i think`
`04:53.29`	`grendelson`	`DQuestions, Also read about and install screen!`
`04:53.31`	`Buchannon`	`DQuestions: yeah just install ssh... it comes with base debian packages anyway`
`04:53.39`	`tuv`	`DQuestions, the package name for stable is "ssh" only`
`04:53.45`	`Buchannon`	`DQuestions: then use putty on any computer to access is`
`04:54.09`	`jetscreamer`	`DQuestions: you want to use something like putty on your windows box to mess around with some other linux box`
`04:54.12`	`jetscreamer`	`i think`
`04:54.16`	`Buchannon`	`grendelson: any more help about document root?`
`04:54.26`	`DQuestions`	`hmm`
`04:54.39`	`DQuestions`	`jetscreamer yep i do`
`04:55.09`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, I am brand new to Apache so I've never edited an httpd.conf - I got the root working but can't recall how - It was going to a subdir of /var/www and I changed it - Just gotta firgure out where :-)`
`04:55.11`	`jetscreamer`	`apt-get install ssh should get you goind`
`04:55.14`	`jetscreamer`	`g`
`04:55.39`	`DQuestions`	`k cool`
`04:56.01`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, Yes there are sites-available and sites-enabled. The sites-available has a defuault - make changes there`
`04:56.31`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, Also there are 2 new tools to modify enabled and available (README in the /etc/apache2)`
`04:56.33`	`DQuestions`	`one more questoin... will there be any other diff for the configuration between stable and testing.unstable?`
`04:56.45`	`Buchannon`	`grendelson: thanks I'll look into that`
`04:57.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`does anyone know how much cpu is needed to drive multiple (say 4-8x) DVD+/-R drives at the same time?`
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`04:58.09`	`tuv`	`dondelelcaro, i find the disk to be the bottleneck, not the cpu`
`04:58.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`well, on a normal system, the writer is way slower than the disk, so I don't think that'll be a serious problem.`
`04:59.44`	`tuv`	`dondelelcaro, on my 1.5GHz, 7200RPM IDE disk-laptop, the disk is the problem`
`05:00.18`	`tuv`	`dondelelcaro, at least for 4X dvd-r over usb`
`05:00.23`	`tuv`	`usb2 that is`
`05:00.51`	`dondelelcaro`	`hrm; well, your disk should be able to transfer 20M/s fairly trivially.`
`05:01.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`or 5M/s at 4x`
`05:02.04`	`tuv`	`for cds, i agree.. the disk is not a problem. i used to burn a cd and a dvd at the same time on a P4 1.8GHz machine, but that one had IDE raid1`
`05:02.05`	`pstickne`	`tuv, what read speeds to hdparm show? (just curious)`
`05:03.14`	`tuv`	`pstickne, how do i find out? (what options of hdparm should i use?)`
`05:03.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`tuv: hdparm -tT /dev/foo`
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`05:05.07`	`tuv`	`cached: 640 MB/s, buffered: 37 MB/s`
`05:05.10`	`Growly`	`ok, so it's almost been twenty four hours, and i already have raid problems again`
`05:06.04`	`deadcat`	`dondelelcaro: i've gone live with my gallery. (=`
`05:06.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`cool.`
`05:06.13`	`DQuestions`	`wtf is putty tel ?`
`05:06.14`	`tuv`	`i should add that my machine is usually fairly busy at all times`
`05:06.16`	`DQuestions`	`vs putty?`
`05:06.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`DQuestions: it only does telnet.`
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`05:06.42`	`pstickne`	`Growly, no more FS errors I hope`
`05:06.45`	`DQuestions`	`i see`
`05:06.51`	`Buchannon`	`grendelson: I got it all figured out, thanks for the help ;)`
`05:06.52`	`deadcat`	`DQuestions: putty tel is for telnet no?`
`05:06.52`	`Growly`	`nope, a hard drive dropped out of the array`
`05:07.08`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, It was easy for me since I had nothing to "unlearn"`
`05:07.19`	`Growly`	`(after i was playing around with the hardware) - but it's detected by both the controller and the kernel's drivers`
`05:07.19`	`pstickne`	`Hope it didn't break on the floor.`
`05:07.28`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, My first web page ever went up like 4 days ago :-)`
`05:07.36`	`Growly`	`pstickne - haha it landed in my poolk`
`05:07.39`	`DQuestions`	`is ssh always root?`
`05:07.42`	`Growly`	`(i wish i had a pool)`
`05:07.43`	`Buchannon`	`I'm just trying to understand why they would change it... why is this way better? hehe`
`05:07.45`	`DQuestions`	`or i figure if i read the man pages`
`05:07.50`	`DQuestions`	`i can set up diff users..`
`05:07.52`	`Buchannon`	`grendelson 0.o post a link I wanna see!`
`05:08.00`	`DQuestions`	`or just the local users of that machine?`
`05:08.22`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, Oh it's all internal MySQL - videodb, phpmyadmin etc`
`05:08.31`	`grendelson`	`LAMP type stuff.`
`05:08.47`	`Buchannon`	`ah - just play stuff so far?`
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`05:09.12`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, Ya know I was trying to learn reading docs and every doc still assumes httpd.conf it's as if Apache doesn't knwo they changed it :-)`
`05:09.20`	`Buchannon`	`yeah =x`
`05:09.24`	`Buchannon`	`it's weird that they did`
`05:09.30`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, Right - but of course nwo I want to be a wiz at PHP and MySQL backends - got a lot of reading to do;`
`05:09.37`	`Buchannon`	`now I have to figure out vitual hosts, but there is lots of help on that via google`
`05:09.48`	`jimb0`	`anyone here traveled to canada from US before withuot a passport?`
`05:09.56`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, Good luck`
`05:09.58`	`Buchannon`	`grendelson: well if you need any help with either, let me know. I <3 both`
`05:10.01`	`jimb0`	`fucking everywhere i call, nobody answers the phone`
`05:10.11`	`grendelson`	`Buchannon, appreciate it....`
`05:10.52`	`pstickne`	`grendelson, yup. about 2500 core functions to memorize. :)`
`05:11.38`	`grendelson`	`pstickne, You make it sound too fun :-)`
`05:12.10`	`pstickne`	`grendelson, I'm browsing through: http://pleac.sourceforge.net/`
`05:12.18`	`pstickne`	`grendelson, some of those languages just hurt my head`
`05:12.28`	`grendelson`	`pstickne, Oh believe you me - I know my littel front page with a few favorites and links to videodb and my dbs is nothing to shout about - but I still like looking at it !`
`05:13.09`	`grendelson`	`pstickne, I said the same thing trying to explain a workaround for flashplayer 8 online.... It was too awful...`
`05:14.13`	`Growly`	`so it's perfectly normal for linux to kick a disk that isn't broken, simply because of some trivial error brought on by the likes of a forced restart?`
`05:14.55`	`pstickne`	`Growly, are you use its the kernel that's doing it?`
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`05:15.12`	`grendelson`	`pstickne, Thansk for that link - I'll bookmark that for sure for future use...`
`05:15.20`	`Growly`	`um, no.`
`05:15.39`	`Growly`	`pstickne - dmesg put it bluntly "kicking non-fresh sda from array!"`
`05:16.39`	`pstickne`	`hehe`
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`05:17.00`	`Growly`	`but i'm worried as to why there is no mention of it in /proc/mdstat`
`05:17.05`	`Growly`	`not even a (F) beside the drive`
`05:17.08`	`Growly`	`it's just... not there`
`05:17.36`	`pstickne`	`http://www.kieser.net/linux/raidhotadd.html`
`05:18.10`	`pstickne`	`Growly, I'd definately try running more checks :x`
`05:18.34`	`Growly`	`ahah, i've got that site open and am already badblocks -v -f /dev/sda ~ing`
`05:18.36`	`Growly`	`google ftw :)`
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`05:19.05`	`pstickne`	`:p`
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`05:20.38`	`Growly`	`am i wrong in presuming "halt" initiates a clean shutdown?`
`05:20.47`	`Growly`	`there has to be a book to read somewhere`
`05:21.09`	`simonrvn`	`no, it should. something is interfering if it isn't`
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`05:21.50`	`Growly`	`im trying to remember whether i halted or killed the machine`
`05:21.53`	`Growly`	`i swear i halted`
`05:22.02`	`Growly`	`and these drives are only a couple of years old :s`
`05:22.05`	`Growly`	`damnit it all`
`05:25.47`	`grendelson`	`Growly, The MTBF for drives is typically 3 years now of course that's MEAN TIME so for every disk that lasts 6 years one has to die less than one - I know it's no comfort - but trying to nurse a bad disk has caused me nothing but grief - better to let it go. Start backing up anyway....`
`05:26.36`	`grendelson`	`kidding`
`05:26.38`	`Growly`	`yes, well i have secured a 60gb drive and slapped it in another machine (running windows, please don't flame me) - that wont help me backup 500 gb though :)`
`05:27.06`	`simonrvn`	`flame flame`
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`05:27.08`	`grendelson`	`Growly, Searching Ebay for 500GB+ NAS may be your only bet there....`
`05:27.12`	`simonrvn`	`;p`
`05:27.24`	`grendelson`	`Growly, Can't you ust replace the failing drive with a new one and hot add that back?`
`05:27.37`	`Growly`	`well the data isn't dead`
`05:27.52`	`Growly`	`i'm just wondering how this drive managed to pop out (the drive's not dead either)`
`05:28.04`	`grendelson`	`Growly, and how much Pr0n do you really need anyway (kidding - I'm a kidder)`
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`05:28.20`	`Growly`	`so far it seems, from my reading, to be a typical result of unclean shutdowns`
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`05:28.31`	`Growly`	`i lost all of that when my raid last died (2 months ago)`
`05:28.35`	`Growly`	`it's ok, there are lan parties :)`
`05:28.36`	`Guerin`	`grendelson: don't apologise so much. People in here are insane if they ever think we're serious.`
`05:28.53`	`tuv`	`i just tried "screen" for the first time.. i now know what i've been missing..`
`05:29.01`	`Growly`	`screen rocks my socks`
`05:29.02`	`grendelson`	`Growly, Just hitting a bad secotr or starting to throw bad ectors - in my experience (IDE ) once sectors start going it's only a matter of time`
`05:29.15`	`Guerin`	`well, in 2002 or so, I lost my, and my wife's, entire university work portfolios when I plugged out an ide harddisk when it was powered up`
`05:29.19`	`msn`	`i just started using gnome on my sid box the issue i am facing is that the keyboard wont type special characters unless i press a space after the character`
`05:29.27`	`Guerin`	`so yeah, data loss sucks, and it happens to everone`
`05:29.38`	`Guerin`	`except slayerxp`
`05:29.39`	`grendelson`	`tuv - sont have link but there is a great .screen file online that sets up screen with flasht lines - looks fantastic...`
`05:29.47`	`msn`	`in kde i used the keyboard settings to fix it, but its not working at all.`
`05:29.55`	`Growly`	`hmmm, time will tell --- well badblocks will, at any rate.`
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`05:30.16`	`Growly`	`Guerin - that actually makes me feel better`
`05:30.20`	`Growly`	`i do feel your pain`
`05:30.23`	`Guerin`	`!aww`
`05:30.23`	`dpkg`	`snuggles`
`05:30.51`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`05:30.53`	`Guerin`	`fuckinghell`
`05:30.59`	`grendelson`	`Guerin, Ouch - just read above - we had an admin yank memory in a live server - wondered what could have gone wrong (this was before hot swappable memory was a dream!`
`05:31.20`	`Guerin`	`stupid adobe tries to make all pdfs open in the browser, thus crashing the browser and making shit go bang`
`05:31.57`	`Guerin`	`BANG i tell you`
`05:32.06`	`Guerin`	`give me gv any day of the week`
`05:32.37`	`Growly`	`i _really_ hate not having any cd-rs left`
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`05:33.37`	`Hoxzer`	`:o rs?`
`05:34.09`	`bucky`	`Guerin: did you get divorced over losing the Mrs's data?`
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`05:34.45`	`Guerin`	`not quite. She had most of it on dead trees, but i fear the day I'm expected to electronicise it all again`
`05:34.53`	`Growly`	`(ignores hdd problem for a while and moves on a bit) - so i'm a devoted debian follower, but im keen to try BSD (and solaris, unix, slackware, etc) - would i be shot for asking which bsd distro i am best to try?`
`05:35.05`	`Guerin`	`which will likely be when she goes in to do her Ph.D in a couple years`
`05:35.11`	`Growly`	`i _could_ look somewhere else for these answers, but i just love you guys so much`
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`05:35.20`	`roxy_`	`Growly: try debian ?`
`05:35.20`	`samuel`	`sup all`
`05:35.22`	`Presently42q`	`I need some help. chroot /mnt/hda3 Floating point exception What does this mean?`
`05:35.27`	`bucky`	`Honey.. I lost all your school work`
`05:35.33`	`Guerin`	`Growly: i just installed openbsd, and it was easy and seems sane - and extremely wlel documented`
`05:35.44`	`Guerin`	`but very hands-on. none of this automagical stiff`
`05:35.45`	`Growly`	`so openbsd > netbsd?`
`05:35.50`	`samuel`	`what file has all the permissions of nfs?`
`05:35.56`	`Growly`	`that's what i want, cause that's how i learn :)`
`05:36.01`	`Guerin`	`Growly: haven't used net or free, so I can't answer`
`05:36.04`	`grendelson`	`tuv, Once you get screen worked otu get craking on your screenrc. I loved using my windows box to ssh into my debian box and run screen to start my Quake2 server and then leave the idle set to Matrix - people always ask - what's that`
`05:36.17`	`Growly`	`Guerin: can you... uh... speculate?`
`05:36.20`	`Growly`	`i'll give you an eCookie :)`
`05:36.32`	`Guerin`	`samuel: /etc/exports has what's set up to be shared`
`05:36.46`	`roxy_`	`Growly: kfreebsd-source-5.4 - source code for kernel of FreeBSD 5.4 with Debian patches`
`05:37.13`	`Guerin`	`Growly: i can, but it's worth exactly nothing, so I might as well just say "blargle blarge"`
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`05:38.26`	`Presently42q`	`This started when I did a dist-upgrade (via synaptic) which froze in the middle of its goings-on. I'm trying to access this parttion from another I have (also running debian sid) and that's the message I get. I have done a mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 which normally works.`
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`05:39.17`	`Presently42q`	`And I can't change my font which is annoying as I'd prefer to be using an other one.`
`05:39.40`	`Growly`	`roxy_... ah... i'm not that pro yet :)`
`05:40.00`	`Growly`	`Guerin: you get an eCookie anyway.`
`05:40.38`	`roxy_`	`Growly: don't need to be a pro. If you want a distro for bsd then debian is a good choice :-)`
`05:40.48`	`grendelson`	`tuv, http://conf.littleboboy.net/shells/screenrc <-- foudn the screenrc I was referrign to - Guckes is the person who writes excellent rc files - I started using all screen tools after reading some of his stuff....`
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`05:41.17`	`tuv`	`grendelson, looking into it.. thanks`
`05:41.56`	`Growly`	`roxy_: wow. good point. didn't realise that was possible, but ofcourse it is.`
`05:42.08`	`pstickne`	`FreeBSD is nice.`
`05:42.14`	`roxy_`	`bbl`
`05:42.14`	`Presently42q`	`And when I was able to chroot in to that partition and run dpkg --configure -a, it starting giving me grief: There are eight unconfigured packages. Every item failed with an error, mostly two, I think.`
`05:42.17`	`Growly`	`fine, fine, fine, i'll use freebsd`
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`05:43.42`	`Gh0sTeE`	`ANyone know of a good par2 user that I can easily apt-get?`
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`05:44.09`	`pstickne`	`par2? :(`
`05:44.11`	`zinx`	`Gh0sTeE: did you even attempt to apt-cache search?`
`05:44.17`	`Gh0sTeE`	`oh ya`
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`05:44.21`	`Gh0sTeE`	`I got like 30 pages`
`05:44.29`	`Gh0sTeE`	`non that were relivent`
`05:44.29`	`zinx`	`i get 4 apps`
`05:44.34`	`zinx`	`all of which are relevant.`
`05:44.43`	`Gh0sTeE`	`apt-cache search par?`
`05:44.49`	`zinx`	`no, apt-cache search par2`
`05:44.57`	`Gh0sTeE`	`that would be robally better`
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`05:45.58`	`Gh0sTeE`	`thanks`
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`05:47.05`	`Presently42q`	`How about it? Any one interesting in getting their hands dirty with dpkg corruption?`
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`05:49.16`	`Presently42q`	`Perhaps some one can recommend to me a good howto (Not the man page: It doesn't seem to help.)`
`05:49.50`	`printk`	`anyone know if there are plans for 7.1 to go into sid?`
`05:49.57`	`printk`	`xorg`
`05:50.28`	`tuv`	`grendelson, that's a pretty long file with lots of stuff.. i've to go through it to know what will happen on my machine :)`
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`05:51.06`	`grendelson`	`tuv: Absolutley here is another easier to start with guide.... http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/6340/print`
`05:51.06`	`detach-`	`does anybody have any idea about plesk?! :(`
`05:51.19`	`detach-`	`or rather, anybody here runs plesk fine with debian 3.1`
`05:51.59`	`grendelson`	`tuv: Just name the file .screenrctest and start screen with 'screen -c ~/.screenrctest'`
`05:52.16`	`tuv`	`grendelson, will try that`
`05:52.17`	`grendelson`	`You'll see jsut hwo cool a console can be!`
`05:52.43`	`Presently42q`	`Perhaps my messages aren't being seen. If any one sees this, please reply, even with just my nick.`
`05:52.43`	`grendelson`	`The screenrc file is so well documented it's practically a guide in itself...`
`05:52.51`	`grendelson`	`gnight all time to bed`
`05:53.22`	`grendelson`	`Presently42q, The trouble is if you have to ask how to fix Dpkg - you shouldn't at all or ever run sid.`
`05:53.28`	`grendelson`	`!sid`
`05:53.28`	`dpkg`	`the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released.`
`05:58.10`	`Presently42q`	`grendelson: Alright, so my messages are definitly being seen. That's good to know. As to the whole don't use sid, use stable story, well, I really don't mean to be rude, but I've heard it to death (I subscribe to the mailing list) and I'm not in the mood to justify the many reasons I use it. Please don't take that the wrong way. :0) Let's just try to figure out why I can't chroot in to the other partition. I ran xfs_repair -n /dev`
`05:58.25`	`detach-`	`has anybody here installed plesk 8 on debian sarge?`
`05:59.16`	`Presently42q`	`...Where's the rest? Lost in cyberspace, it would seem. I thought it cut up messages automatically.`
`05:59.23`	`Presently42q`	`Hmmm....`
`06:00.13`	`Buchannon`	`hm.... I downloaded and installed php4 on my server but when I try to access a php file, the browser tries to download it instead of the server running it... any ideas of what's wrong?`
`06:00.50`	`Presently42q`	`m as xfs_check goes without a hitch) and that says there isn't any problem there. But, I can't boot in to that partition (it drops to to ash or reboot) and I'm stuck, after trying various things like dpkg --clear-avail (I believe it had mentioned something about the /var/something/available file.)`
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`06:06.30`	`bucky`	`Buchannon: put <?php phpinfo(); ?> into a file called /var/www/phpinfo.php and browse to http://localhost/phpinfo.php`
`06:07.32`	`Presently42q`	`I'm sorry. That was harsh of me. I'm not usually like that.`
`06:08.08`	`Buchannon`	`bucky: it's not a problem with php, it's something with php not loading the php modules... if I did that my browser would try to download a file called phpinfo.php`
`06:08.18`	`Buchannon`	`bucky: I think I found it though - reading a little on it`
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`06:09.14`	`Faithful`	`I am trying to install sarge with software raid and it locks up on creating the file system everytime`
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`06:11.12`	`bucky`	`Faithful: you might need a newer kernel depending on your ide controller`
`06:11.45`	`bucky`	`Faithful: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16`
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`06:12.25`	`liable`	`is there a channel for udev related shits?`
`06:12.51`	`Buchannon`	`bucky: ah I solved it.. just needed to uncomment some lines in apache2.conf`
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`06:26.49`	`Presently42q`	`Alright. Since it is clear no one is able or willing to assist, I'll try google and the list. Thanks for... some thing. Cheers!`
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`06:28.17`	`deadcat`	`apparently the new APT requires me to make my key for my own repo so when i apt-get update it wont bitch.. how to make my key?`
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`06:29.24`	`zimm2`	`well bugger me if that printer doesnt now work.. http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/index.html told me how to do it, and its the first time using alien on an rpm has had non-unpredictable results :)`
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`06:30.36`	`Guerin`	`scanners aren't hard`
`06:30.47`	`Guerin`	`my mum managed to get hers working fine with xsane`
`06:31.01`	`zimm2`	`its built in to the printer, and ive only just got THAT to wiork !! lol`
`06:31.29`	`Guerin`	`so is my mum's`
`06:31.41`	`zimm2`	`xsane wont even see this ..`
`06:31.49`	`zimm2`	`and to be quite honest ..`
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`06:31.55`	`zimm2`	`i really dont care :)`
`06:32.04`	`Guerin`	`hm, ok. mum's one has a driver from the manufacturer - a free software one, even`
`06:32.08`	`sanmarcos`	`why do I get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. when I do apt-get upgrade, as for example linux-image-server has an updated version, and apt upgrade doesnt automatically show me that?`
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`06:34.15`	`Guerin`	`!find linux-image-server`
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`06:35.04`	`zimm2`	`Guerin, currently wifi is working, X is spot on, most of the laptop acpi rubbish works and i can read my flash disc and all usb peripherals function.. (cept scanner) on testing.. im happy with that considering ive only just installed linux for the first time in years ..`
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`06:35.24`	`Guerin`	`yeah, that's pretty good.`
`06:35.47`	`zimm2`	`hehe .. better than i used to get on a desktop ..`
`06:36.05`	`zimm2`	`now if only toshiba would release the specs of their TV tuner and id be ecstatic !`
`06:36.11`	`Guerin`	`HAH`
`06:36.56`	`msn`	`i just started using gnome on my sid box the issue i am facing is that the keyboard wont type special characters unless i press a space after the character`
`06:37.49`	`zimm2`	`sneaky b***gers wrote a linux driver for instant-on functionality, but wont release it ... surely someone must be able to "reverse engineer" one .. nudge nudge ..`
`06:38.47`	`Guerin`	`that sort of reverse engineering is what causes corporations to not release *n?x drivers`
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`06:39.44`	`david__`	`i hope this is a simple question`
`06:39.53`	`david__`	`how do you load fonts`
`06:40.03`	`zinx`	`in what?`
`06:40.05`	`zinx`	`why?`
`06:40.08`	`zinx`	`are you having a problem?`
`06:40.11`	`david__`	`linux`
`06:40.26`	`david__`	`debian specifiacally`
`06:40.42`	`zinx`	`that's not anywhere near specific, but try for the third question`
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`06:40.51`	`david__`	`i am just having problems with some web pages not showing correctly`
`06:41.07`	`zinx`	`many fonts are apt-gettable`
`06:41.13`	`zinx`	`the others... aren't going to be easy to install.`
`06:41.30`	`david__`	`like arial for instance`
`06:42.16`	`david__`	`i looked through the apt get stuff and cant find but only a couple of font packs`
`06:42.28`	`david__`	`is there somthing specific that i should be looking for`
`06:42.59`	`zinx`	`msttcorefonts`
`06:43.05`	`sanmarcos`	`why do I get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. when I do apt-get upgrade, as for example linux-image-server has an updated version, and apt upgrade doesnt automatically show me that? anybody?`
`06:43.30`	`david__`	`thanks zinx i will look for that one`
`06:43.38`	`david__`	`it did not show up in my search`
`06:43.44`	`david__`	`appreciate it`
`06:43.58`	`zinx`	`it requires you to download them from microsoft`
`06:44.05`	`zinx`	`(Debian can't distribute them due to the license)`
`06:44.07`	`zimm2`	`Guerin, well when toshiba's official response is "toshiba doesnt support linux, there are no drivers for linux, use windows" it doesnt leave much alternative :) especially when i know i HAVE the linux drivers on this box, in the hidden part of the hard drive that is used to store the "linux-based" qosmio player .. lol`
`06:44.24`	`zinx`	`the package may download them automatically; not sure.`
`06:44.44`	`david__`	`it wont pull it ... just tried it`
`06:45.51`	`david__`	`ok so on the hunt thru MS screwed up web site to find it`
`06:46.22`	`Guerin`	`zimm2: well, given the amount of money they'd lose in subsidies and such if they released machines which ran and were supported by linux, you can sort of see it`
`06:46.30`	`sanmarcos`	`solved my issues, needed apt pinning`
`06:47.50`	`zimm2`	`Guerin, yeh but the "embedded multimedia os" IS based on a linux 2.4 kernel .... would have thought the least they could do was release the driver/kernel module ..`
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`06:49.39`	`zimm2`	`c'est la vie i wouldnt know what to do if i found the right files anyway ..lol`
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`06:55.10`	`Trent`	`i just installed xserver-xorg and flux box and im getting this error when im trying to start GUI ( startx ) Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0:0" after 0 requests (0 known process( with 0 events remaining`
`06:55.12`	`zimm2`	`hmm recovery disc is just a load of*.img files and the eula in multiple languages .. lol.. someone sometime will crack it ..`
`06:55.33`	`zimm2`	`Trent, install xfonts-base`
`06:55.44`	`zimm2`	`or something like that`
`06:55.45`	`Trent`	`zimm2: thanks`
`06:55.52`	`zimm2`	`np`
`06:57.34`	`david__`	`zinx: Got them installed... appreciate all the help`
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`07:12.41`	`bucketfan99`	`yo wahts the script that diddles all the S and K scripts in /etc/rc#.d ?`
`07:12.44`	`bucketfan99`	`i always forget its name.`
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`07:13.54`	`sanmarcos`	`bucketfan99, ask readable questions`
`07:14.30`	`bucketfan99`	`Anyone know the name of the script that creates/updates/removes the symlinks (S##daemonname) in /etc/rc#.d ?`
`07:14.33`	`bucketfan99`	`its late ;)`
`07:14.53`	`sep`	`update-rc.d ?`
`07:15.07`	`bucketfan99`	`that would be the one`
`07:15.09`	`bucketfan99`	`thanks man`
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`07:17.25`	`sanmarcos`	`does dpkg-reconfigure deal with inittab and the default runlevel?`
`07:17.39`	`bucketfan99`	`that scripts usage is confusing :/`
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`07:17.56`	`sanmarcos`	`bucketfan99, it is primitive`
`07:18.01`	`sanmarcos`	`bucketfan99, what do you want to do?`
`07:18.08`	`bucketfan99`	`disable portamp always`
`07:18.10`	`bucketfan99`	`if you gave me an example`
`07:18.14`	`bucketfan99`	`i ams ure i'd be fine from there on it.`
`07:18.15`	`bucketfan99`	`in.`
`07:18.16`	`sanmarcos`	`install rcconf`
`07:18.20`	`sanmarcos`	`curses utility that does it`
`07:18.23`	`bucketfan99`	`hah`
`07:18.25`	`bucketfan99`	`nice.`
`07:18.37`	`sanmarcos`	`or sysv-rc-conf or bum`
`07:18.58`	`sanmarcos`	`sysv-rc-conf is a little more advanced`
`07:19.01`	`sep`	`bucketfan99, if your going to disable it. why not purge it ?`
`07:19.05`	`sanmarcos`	`I suggest you read the README in your ini.d folder`
`07:19.11`	`bucketfan99`	`sep - rush`
`07:19.16`	`sanmarcos`	`sep, disable != purge`
`07:19.24`	`bucketfan99`	`plus i may need inetd later for something`
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`07:19.51`	`sep`	`sanmarcos, true, but there is no need to have something intalled if it's never ever going to be used. hence purge what you dont need.`
`07:20.05`	`sanmarcos`	`sep, I am doing that with my server now. Aptitude is the bomb`
`07:20.06`	`bucketfan99`	`spoken like a man that believes in high colonics`
`07:20.14`	`bucketfan99`	`i appreciate the help guys`
`07:20.18`	`sanmarcos`	`sure brother`
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`07:22.20`	`pwnny`	`http://z6.invisionfree.com/Best_Damn_Sports/index.php?act=idx`
`07:22.23`	`bucketfan99`	`huh`
`07:22.25`	`pwnny`	`http://z6.invisionfree.com/Best_Damn_Sports/index.php?act=idx`
`07:23.17`	`bucketfan99`	`huh great pwnny`
`07:23.34`	`pwnny`	`yeah`
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`07:27.05`	`deadcat`	`lynx puts like 2 or 3 whitespace at the beginning when i use -dump. how can i make lynx NOT do that?`
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`07:31.34`	`bucketfan99`	`deadcat is that per line`
`07:31.40`	`bucketfan99`	`or at the top of the page`
`07:31.50`	`deadcat`	`bucketfan99: per line.`
`07:32.04`	`bucketfan99`	`lynx -dump blahblah \|sed 's/^\ \ //'`
`07:32.10`	`deadcat`	`bucketfan99: it shows 3 spaces for each line`
`07:32.19`	`bucketfan99`	`then do that 3 times`
`07:32.21`	`bucketfan99`	`lynx -dump blahblah \|sed 's/^\ \ \ //'`
`07:32.37`	`deadcat`	`bucketfan99: i cant do that because i want to user to lynx -dump http://blah \| bash, i dont want them to run set in between`
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`07:32.52`	`bucketfan99`	`then i guess suicide would be an option`
`07:33.01`	`bucketfan99`	`can't you \|sed \| bash ?`
`07:33.11`	`deadcat`	`bucketfan99: the problem is that i have cat > file <<'EOF'`
`07:33.31`	`Guerin`	`deadcat: it sounds you want to talk to #bash`
`07:33.45`	`deadcat`	`Guerin: no. its a lynx problem.`
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`07:34.14`	`fievel`	`hello`
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`07:35.06`	`Guerin`	`deadcat: nope.`
`07:35.21`	`fievel`	`i wanna backup the installed package list on my debian, to be able to restore it if i have to reinstall the system (disk crash, new server, ...)`
`07:36.07`	`deadcat`	`Guerin: its ok. i removed the 2 <<EOF from the script.. it will require me to symlink the .php scripts to .txt and then just wget`
`07:38.28`	`fievel`	`so i scripted this : dpkg --get-selections \| egrep -v "deinstall$" \| cut -f 1 \| tr '\n' ' ' > ~/install.apt`
`07:38.41`	`fievel`	`could you confirm me that will work ?`
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`07:45.29`	`cydork`	`fievel: have you heard of preseed??`
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`07:56.14`	`fievel`	`cydork: no`
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`07:57.28`	`fievel`	`cydork: what is it ?`
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`07:57.59`	`sanmarcos`	`what was the command to specify the permissions to use on every file created? umask? chattr?`
`07:58.25`	`vegiVamp`	`sanmarcos: umask, but it's a negative bitmap - the complement of the permissions you want to see`
`07:58.50`	`cydork`	`fievel: /msg dpkg preseed and also check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed`
`07:59.24`	`sanmarcos`	`!depends libc6`
`07:59.27`	`sanmarcos`	`dpkg is down`
`07:59.41`	`cydork`	`!hi`
`07:59.52`	`sanmarcos`	`oh no!`
`07:59.56`	`cydork`	`guess so.`
`08:00.56`	`sanmarcos`	`somebody set it up the bomb`
`08:01.15`	`cydork`	`fievel: check http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394`
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`08:02.32`	`sanmarcos`	`devtodo is so cool`
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`08:04.57`	`fievel`	`sorry coffee incident on my shirt`
`08:05.08`	`fievel`	`so thanks i will check`
`08:05.09`	`five0`	`that's okay mate`
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`08:07.31`	`TARZEAU`	`!popcon`
`08:07.32`	`dpkg_`	`well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff`
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`08:07.45`	`sanmarcos`	`tha package is back`
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`08:08.29`	`predder`	`I accidentally have selected my keyboard layout as gb when it's actually us during an install. How can I change it?`
`08:08.40`	`sanmarcos`	`predder, in X?`
`08:08.53`	`predder`	`no, i'm just in a console`
`08:08.58`	`fievel`	`yes preseed is for debian installation but i will have to migrate a vds from a provider to another so on vds, debian is preinstalled`
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`08:09.43`	`Xagnel`	`Hi all, I'm trying to use this xorg.conf : http://mg.pov.lt/xorg.conf it works fine, but the screens are around the wrong way, the cables aren't long enough to switch the monitors positions, and one's not got a dvi port. Is there an option or similar I can use to switch the monitors? It's the MergeFB2 layout.`
`08:10.03`	`fievel`	`since i have not a lot of time, i thinks if i reinstall all package then restore a /etc backup and users backup, the system should be quickly up`
`08:10.37`	`predder`	`Xagnel, you'll probably want to try the #xorg channel if you dont get an answer here`
`08:11.04`	`Xagnel`	`Thanks predder, I'll ask in there.`
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`08:12.02`	`sanmarcos`	`I get this in my logs /usr/sbin/cron[4135]: (marccd) ORPHAN (no passwd entry), any ideas on where cron might be getting marccd from?`
`08:12.41`	`liable`	`is dpkg dead?`
`08:12.52`	`thyko`	`are there console screen savers for linux like for freebsd?`
`08:12.53`	`liable`	`@hi`
`08:12.59`	`liable`	`~hi`
`08:13.01`	`apt`	`hello, liable`
`08:13.07`	`sanmarcos`	`liable, use dpkg_`
`08:13.13`	`sanmarcos`	`thyko, try cmatrix`
`08:13.23`	`sanmarcos`	`thyko, never heard of console screensavers, any links?`
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`08:13.43`	`liable`	`dpkg_: hi`
`08:14.01`	`liable`	`dondelelcaro: dpkg is borked`
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`08:14.27`	`thyko`	`sanmarcos: freebsd has these screen savers that can work without X installed`
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`08:14.39`	`litage`	`how can i change these terrible colours in konqueror?: https://www.altcall.com/tmp/bad_kde_colours.png`
`08:14.43`	`sanmarcos`	`thyko, nice`
`08:14.46`	`sanmarcos`	`litage, #kde`
`08:14.54`	`sanmarcos`	`or ##kde rather`
`08:14.56`	`liable`	`@hi`
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`08:15.02`	`sanmarcos`	`!hi`
`08:15.03`	`dpkg_`	`hello, sanmarcos`
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`08:15.17`	`prog`	`hello to all`
`08:15.19`	`liable`	`hrm, little fucker must be ignoring me`
`08:15.34`	`Maulkin`	`liable: hmm?`
`08:15.40`	`liable`	`Maulkin: dpkg`
`08:15.46`	`liable`	`and dpkg_`
`08:15.47`	`zeeble`	`There is a difference beteen @ and !, right?`
`08:15.57`	`Maulkin`	`yes`
`08:16.05`	`liable`	`Maulkin: and i havent even abused it lately! :p`
`08:16.23`	`sanmarcos`	`fievel, still there?`
`08:16.32`	`fievel`	`yeah`
`08:16.44`	`sanmarcos`	`fievel, see loadkeys`
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`08:17.54`	`joba79`	`hello`
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`08:18.25`	`fievel`	`why ? my keymap is okay :p and i'm not on a linux workstation directly here, i'm on a solaris workstation at work`
`08:18.26`	`joba79`	`what is the best place to put custom .bst-files in a latex installation on debian?`
`08:18.48`	`sanmarcos`	`I meant that for predder sorry fievel`
`08:18.53`	`liable`	`dondelelcaro: have you put me on dpkg's ignore list?`
`08:19.48`	`liable`	`Maulkin: you can see the ignore list for the bot?`
`08:19.57`	`joba79`	`I tried /usr/local/share/texmf/bibtex, but that seems to be ignored`
`08:20.10`	`sep`	`liable, if i msg dpkg on freenode it wont answer. if i msg it on oftc it answers is it 2 different instances ?`
`08:20.31`	`liable`	`sep: oh, it wont answer in query for either :/`
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`08:20.38`	`sep`	`!test`
`08:20.39`	`dpkg_`	`Sorry, sep, I didn't get your test.`
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`08:20.44`	`sep`	`but in chann it works..`
`08:20.48`	`sep`	`strange :)`
`08:20.53`	`liable`	`hrm, ignore me`
`08:20.57`	`liable`	`!hi`
`08:20.57`	`dpkg_`	`hello, liable`
`08:20.58`	`Kal_Zakath`	`blebles`
`08:21.03`	`liable`	`hrmph`
`08:21.09`	`Vasistha`	`litage: kcontrol panel`
`08:21.14`	`liable`	`ok, so its slightly borked`
`08:21.21`	`Kal_Zakath`	`gros bletos`
`08:21.23`	`Kal_Zakath`	`:)`
`08:21.32`	`sep`	`perhaps it havent identified and then cant recive msg's`
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`08:21.45`	`simon23`	`hi there, anyone in here got the yahoo messenger runnging successful ?`
`08:21.51`	`sep`	`nope it is`
`08:21.53`	`liable`	`sep: ah, good point, as dpkg_ might be the case`
`08:22.09`	`sep`	`indeed`
`08:22.26`	`simon23`	`I downloaded the deb file from yahoo and it couldnt be installed because of the need of an old libssl0.9.6`
`08:22.30`	`sep`	`dpkg is dpkg_ is not`
`08:22.34`	`sep`	`why are there 2 :)`
`08:22.35`	`liable`	`yep`
`08:22.42`	`simon23`	`which isnt available at etch.`
`08:22.45`	`azeem`	`whether your identified or not only affects how you can send /msg I thought, not recieve`
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`08:22.50`	`Vasistha`	`simon23: uh... just use gaim, dude :-)`
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`08:23.10`	`simon23`	`Vasistha: but gaim has no video :-/`
`08:23.15`	`liable`	`azeem: either way, i guess dpkg_ cant send a reply?`
`08:23.23`	`sep`	`azeem, well if it's not identified we woudnt see it's reply if it made one`
`08:23.28`	`sanmarcos`	`simon23, neither does the official yahoo messenger`
`08:23.29`	`sep`	`in msg`
`08:23.42`	`Vasistha`	`simon23: true, that. I was about to ask if you really need all the bells and whistles of yahoo's client... I guess you do :P`
`08:23.44`	`sanmarcos`	`simon23, in fact, Gaim does have support for video, in the gaim-vv branch`
`08:23.47`	`sep`	`!tell sep about sarge`
`08:23.53`	`sep`	`!sarge`
`08:23.54`	`dpkg_`	`Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese.`
`08:23.55`	`sanmarcos`	`simon23, it had it years go, remember it trying it`
`08:24.01`	`sep`	`in any case we get no reply`
`08:24.08`	`sep`	`in query`
`08:24.25`	`liable`	`!silly bot`
`08:24.25`	`dpkg_`	`:)`
`08:24.46`	`simon23`	`sanmarcos: yahoo for linux has no videoconferencing ? thought it would have... the version for windows got that.`
`08:25.04`	`sanmarcos`	`simon23, Yahoo couldnt give a shit about linux`
`08:25.20`	`simon23`	`well - i really dont need icons and whistles... but - i want to use VOIP and WebCam.`
`08:25.46`	`sanmarcos`	`there is no yahoo webcam support. Gaim-vv might, check #gaim`
`08:25.47`	`simon23`	`thought yahoo would be better than mirabillis or skype - guess i was told wrong.`
`08:26.02`	`sanmarcos`	`voip use gizmo, skype, openwengo, SIP(ekiga), etc`
`08:26.15`	`sanmarcos`	`openwengo has video if I am not mistaken`
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`08:26.38`	`simon23`	`is openwengo available for other os's too ?`
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`08:26.49`	`simon23`	`(never heard of such a name=`
`08:26.50`	`simon23`	`)`
`08:27.25`	`section31`	`what's the ^M Character line ending mean in vi. is that a carriage return?`
`08:28.37`	`sanmarcos`	`section31, it means that somebody is using windows line endings`
`08:28.39`	`sanmarcos`	`section31, #vim`
`08:28.44`	`sep`	`section31, aye. it's a windows/dos line ending`
`08:28.55`	`section31`	`sep,�that's what i thought`
`08:29.03`	`sep`	`dox2unix unix2dos should convert if you need`
`08:29.03`	`section31`	`so it doesn't really harm the file if i make edits and save it`
`08:29.07`	`section31`	`it will still work`
`08:29.08`	`sanmarcos`	`section31, you could erase them with :%s/\^M//`
`08:29.13`	`sanmarcos`	`or what sep said`
`08:29.19`	`sep`	`section31, depends on what the file is for`
`08:29.39`	`sep`	`if it's just a arbitary file then no wont damage the content`
`08:29.40`	`five0`	`anybody know how I'd be able to check sha256 checksums of file?`
`08:30.13`	`five0`	`i can't seem to find any tools (other than hashalot) that provice a binary even remotely resembling sha256`
`08:30.32`	`sanmarcos`	`who uses sha256?`
`08:30.40`	`five0`	`after fetching hashalot, man/info sha256 points me to the documentation for hashalot (which is a tool itself- in description)`
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`08:31.30`	`simon23`	`thanks.`
`08:31.34`	`five0`	`sanmarcos: more importantly, is there a tool that can handle it in the repo? ;)`
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`08:36.18`	`ghenry`	`can you do some kind of fsck on a swap partition?`
`08:36.23`	`ghenry`	`one of our servers is getting stuck trying to mount it`
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`08:37.32`	`ciphr`	`browsing lan computers is slower in debian than in windows...how to fix this?`
`08:37.32`	`SlayerXP`	`ghenry: you could run badblocks on it`
`08:37.46`	`SlayerXP`	`ciphr: can you be less specific?`
`08:37.50`	`ciphr`	`:D`
`08:37.54`	`ghenry`	`will try`
`08:37.59`	`ghenry`	`unmounted of course`
`08:38.13`	`ciphr`	`sorry...i meant that it takes forever to show workgroup computers...`
`08:38.36`	`ciphr`	`3 minutes already past since i click the Network icon in nautilus`
`08:39.01`	`ciphr`	`i am new to debian... :D`
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`08:40.08`	`ciphr`	`??`
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`08:40.26`	`ciphr`	`brb...`
`08:40.35`	`schultzconsult`	`Hi, anyone using vhcs in here?`
`08:41.00`	`schultzconsult`	`if there is, then I would like to know, because I have a problem with some log files`
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`08:44.31`	`DQuestions`	`how can i pipe the full linux environment into windows... i know i can pipe text based stuff .. with putty.. but i want to have full functionality..`
`08:44.49`	`jetscreamer`	`cygwin?`
`08:44.50`	`Trent`	`ive installed fluxbox, but when i right click theres no option to spawn a shell >.>`
`08:45.14`	`Xagnel`	`DQuestions, a virtualization program such as qemu or vmware`
`08:45.28`	`Shadur`	`DQuestions: "full functionality" of what, precisely?`
`08:45.42`	`DQuestions`	`i mean.. i have a second computer`
`08:46.00`	`DQuestions`	`i want to be able to "pipe' a virtual screen of that comptuer to my windows computer`
`08:46.13`	`petemc`	`vnc?`
`08:46.15`	`DQuestions`	`like is possible with putty.. but expanded to GUI .. things aswell`
`08:46.17`	`petemc`	`pipe is an odd term`
`08:46.21`	`liable`	`gah, i cannot get ipw3945d to load when the module is loaded via udev for the life of me. any udev savy people here atm?`
`08:46.25`	`DQuestions`	`hmm`
`08:46.33`	`DQuestions`	`i'm not sure what term i'm looking for sorry`
`08:46.39`	`Xagnel`	`DQuestions, VNC?`
`08:46.48`	`DQuestions`	`k i'lll look into it`
`08:47.05`	`DQuestions`	`is it free?`
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`08:47.32`	`Xagnel`	`DQuestions, http://www.tightvnc.com`
`08:47.36`	`Xagnel`	`That one is free.`
`08:47.44`	`DQuestions`	`thanks`
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`08:49.19`	`liable`	`time reboot again and see if i can get it to start :(`
`08:49.30`	`five0`	`udev is a menace`
`08:49.36`	`five0`	`or at least strives to be`
`08:49.49`	`DQuestions`	`huh`
`08:50.30`	`DQuestions`	`err i assume i need to set up vnc on my linux machine?`
`08:50.40`	`DQuestions`	`or what does it use... not ssh..`
`08:50.41`	`DQuestions`	`hmm`
`08:51.07`	`five0`	`you can tunnel it`
`08:51.11`	`five0`	`ssh-tunnel, rather`
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`08:52.32`	`DQuestions`	`hmm i cant install it with apt-get install tightvnc or something`
`08:52.33`	`DQuestions`	`really?`
`08:52.38`	`DQuestions`	`hmm`
`08:52.54`	`DQuestions`	`on what port`
`08:52.55`	`DQuestions`	`or how`
`08:53.20`	`five0`	`it'd be on the clients end`
`08:53.39`	`DQuestions`	`but i still need to set up tight vnc server on the "server"?`
`08:53.41`	`five0`	`so further instructions would depend on that`
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`08:54.24`	`five0`	`plenty of guides (shouldn't be too obsolete) on that topic`
`08:54.30`	`five0`	`(=`
`08:54.32`	`DQuestions`	`k`
`08:54.32`	`DQuestions`	`thanks`
`08:54.34`	`DQuestions`	`brb`
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`08:55.34`	`scanf`	`when I use guessnet-ifupdown in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a map that I can tell debain to use when no connection is detected(i.e. a dummy address)`
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`09:02.50`	`roxy_`	`what is the user sashroot ?`
`09:03.23`	`roxy_`	I got this message in my log: Aug 3 21:04:42 home chsh[7539]: changed user `sashroot' shell to `/bin/sash'
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`09:04.58`	`roxy_`	`it has the /root as home dir.`
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`09:06.07`	`roxy_`	`should I worry ?`
`09:06.37`	`Trent`	`ive installed fluxbox, but when i right click theres no where for me to select a shell can anyone help?`
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`09:07.01`	`locus`	`hi, is there a way to display the reverse dependency of an installed package?`
`09:07.08`	`cydork`	`roxy_: sashroot is alias for root i think.`
`09:07.12`	`pstickne`	`Trent, setup it's menu (however it is)`
`09:07.19`	`pstickne`	`Trent, maybe middle-click?`
`09:08.06`	`roxy_`	`cydork: so it is not an attack from the CIA ?`
`09:08.06`	`Trent`	`pstickne, Two button mouse ;) how would i setup the menu?`
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`09:08.17`	`five0`	`is there a way for me to grep freenode for the name of a specif channel?`
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`09:08.32`	`epsilon`	`roxy_: a regular user sashroot 'ch'ange'sh'elled his default shell to bash`
`09:08.34`	`five0`	`are there any similar services offered?`
`09:09.08`	`locus`	`Trent, or alt-Fx to a console and edit .fluxbox/menu and switch back to x`
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`09:09.15`	`cydork`	`roxy_: i dont think so :P`
`09:09.37`	`roxy_`	`epsilon: a regular user ? is it a default root user on debian ?`
`09:09.53`	`epsilon`	`roxy_: root is root`
`09:10.07`	`zl2tod`	`five0, which client are you using ?`
`09:10.14`	`Trent`	`locus, what do i need to add?`
`09:10.29`	`epsilon`	`sashroot is a regular user... if he has increased access, it's done manually`
`09:10.55`	`cydork`	`roxy_: check sashroot uid!`
`09:11.14`	`roxy_`	`epsilon: sashroot:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sash`
`09:11.28`	`epsilon`	`roxy_: ok, THAT's not debian-default`
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`09:11.36`	`locus`	`Trent, something like "[exec] (xterm) {xterm}" .. check the fluxbox documentation for the menu syntax`
`09:11.43`	`roxy_`	`cydork: what is the point ? I don't know CIA's agent uid :-)`
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`09:13.20`	`cydork`	`roxy_: :)`
`09:13.29`	`epsilon`	`roxy_: do you have the package sash installed? Any work on system in progress?`
`09:13.43`	`cydork`	`epsilon: i guess so.`
`09:13.53`	`roxy_`	`epsilon: after checking I got it both on my testing and unstable system.`
`09:14.52`	`infernix`	`roxy_: very very rarely, other users than root have the uid 0 and gid 0. this looks alot like a compromise to me. but i just woke up so heh`
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`09:16.26`	`tjansson`	`enouf: I turned out that it was the 2.6 kernel that didn't work with my old laptop, so when doing 2.4 it went smooth`
`09:16.27`	`roxy_`	`what dpkg's option to know from which package a file comes from ? I forgot`
`09:16.36`	`infernix`	`dpkg -S`
`09:16.42`	`infernix`	`use full path+filename`
`09:18.34`	`roxy_`	`it is coming from the sash package`
`09:18.48`	`cydork`	`roxy_: we already know that :)`
`09:18.58`	`roxy_`	`ii sash 3.7-7 Stand-alone shell`
`09:19.01`	`cydork`	`<epsilon> roxy_: do you have the package sash installed? Any work on system in progress?`
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`09:20.10`	`infernix`	`roxy_: it is completely beyond my logic that any package would ever add another root user.`
`09:20.49`	`cydork`	`infernix: it does add a sashroot.`
`09:21.13`	`infernix`	`well i'll surely never install it then.`
`09:21.29`	`b_52Centos`	`do some one use postfix with mysql backend ?`
`09:21.33`	`cydork`	`infernix: heheheh`
`09:21.42`	`infernix`	`roxy_: at least check if sashroot has a password. grep sashroot /etc/shadow`
`09:21.47`	`sep`	`b_52Centos, quite a lot probably`
`09:22.02`	`Trent`	`can anybody tell me what i need to add in ~/.fluxbox/menu to have the option to spawn a shell?`
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`09:22.29`	`b_52Centos`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:22.38`	`liable`	`sheesh that was annoying`
`09:22.40`	`b_52Centos`	`if someone have encountred this problem before`
`09:22.58`	`liable`	`only 4 hours to get the damn wifi to work on boot :/`
`09:23.35`	`cydork`	`liable: 4 hours???`
`09:23.51`	`liable`	`cydork: yes. :( (ipw3945)`
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`09:24.27`	`roxy_`	`infernix: from apt-cache show sash:`
`09:24.31`	`roxy_`	`Some people also prefer to have sash available as the shell for a`
`09:24.31`	`roxy_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:24.41`	`liable`	`cydork: it has a very annoying daemon that has to be run to use it`
`09:25.24`	`infernix`	`roxy_: if the sash package adds a 'sashroot' user with uid 0, gid 0 and homedir /root, and it also sets a password which is different to the standard root password (compare sashroot with root in /etc/shadow) then that package should be sent to /dev/null. i am only assuming that it doesnt set a password (! or *), can you check?`
`09:25.41`	`cydork`	`liable: oh ok`
`09:25.49`	`liable`	`cydork: and unfortunately, the instructions for it dont seem to take into account udev`
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`09:26.25`	`roxy_`	`infernix: it has the same password than root`
`09:26.52`	`infernix`	`roxy_: well thats something. but still its a security nightmare in my book - if you change roots password, sashroots doesnt get changed.`
`09:27.21`	`tjansson`	`Does anybody know what the KDE dock applet which shows the remaining battery time is called?`
`09:27.54`	`liable`	`tjansson: apt-cache search batt?? (i am sure that it shows it)`
`09:28.03`	`roxy_`	`infernix: I'll check it this evening.`
`09:28.14`	`zl2tod`	`tjansson, Battery Charge Monitor ?`
`09:28.45`	`roxy_`	`liable: I implemented the recent module on my iptables . Thanks for yesterday's tip`
`09:28.46`	`tjansson`	`zl2tod: i think it is called klaptop?`
`09:29.06`	`tjansson`	`liable: right - did the same thing but there is so many`
`09:29.07`	`tjansson`	`:D`
`09:29.10`	`liable`	`roxy_: cool`
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`09:29.43`	`zl2tod`	`tjansson, could be - i just went right click on the panel, then add and there it was`
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`09:29.55`	`liable`	`tjansson: hrm, actually, cant you just enable it in the control centre thing?`
`09:29.58`	`roxy_`	`infernix: found it. I am reading the securing debian book and installed the harden package yesterday. sash has been installed because of it`
`09:30.02`	`infernix`	`roxy_: did you not get asked to add this sashroot user anywhere?`
`09:30.13`	`roxy_`	`infernix: not that I remember`
`09:30.23`	`infernix`	`roxy_: well then the hardening failed imo`
`09:30.55`	`infernix`	`i will mail with the packager, this is beyond logical to me`
`09:31.01`	`cydork`	`roxy_: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/sash.postinst`
`09:31.10`	`cydork`	`infernix: i belive it asks.`
`09:31.12`	`tjansson`	`zl2tod, liable: I just think i uninstalled it accidently when mendling with laptop-mode,powernowd and cpufreq`
`09:31.30`	`tjansson`	`Its not in the list of kde pannel apps`
`09:31.51`	`infernix`	`roxy_: it actually does ask here if i install sash.`
`09:31.59`	`infernix`	`but it defaults to yet.`
`09:32.12`	`infernix`	`*yes. i'll ask the maintainer to default to no`
`09:32.15`	`tjansson`	`what does the harden package do?`
`09:32.23`	`tjansson`	`it it the same as bastille?`
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`09:32.54`	`ma3x`	`is there any chance to find out what drivers are loaded for my ethernet card?`
`09:33.17`	`streuner`	`ma3x: via lsmod?`
`09:33.30`	`ma3x`	`streuner lsmod and then what?`
`09:33.33`	`streuner`	`ma3x: the driver should be listed there`
`09:33.36`	`ma3x`	`grep ethernet?`
`09:33.43`	`ma3x`	`grep eht0 ?`
`09:33.58`	`streuner`	`ma3x: its easier via dl`
`09:34.05`	`streuner`	`driver-locator of kmuto`
`09:34.08`	`roxy_`	`cydork: it does says:`
`09:34.09`	`streuner`	`!dl`
`09:34.10`	`dpkg_`	`driver locator is http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ will tell you what drivers you need if your computer has PCI`
`09:34.10`	`roxy_`	`echo cloning root account entry to create sashroot account in $1`
`09:35.01`	`streuner`	`ma3x: oh, i forgot that you are using your custom kernel :-)`
`09:35.06`	`Nikolay`	`How I can fix the following error after aptitude update: "E: Method rred has died unexpectedly"?`
`09:35.18`	`Nikolay`	`s/I can/can I`
`09:35.20`	`streuner`	`ma3x: so you compiled the module into kernel?`
`09:35.40`	`cydork`	`roxy_: thought so`
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`09:36.17`	`streuner`	`ma3x: dmesg \| grep -i eth`
`09:36.18`	`ma3x`	`streuner I doint use custom kernel!`
`09:36.29`	`ma3x`	`I didnt compile the module`
`09:36.43`	`ma3x`	`the driver, it was just loaded from the netdrivers floppy`
`09:36.55`	`streuner`	`so use dmesg \| grep -i eth`
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`09:39.03`	`eze`	`where can i find a list over sources for the unstable packages, with different mirrors etc?`
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`09:39.25`	`streuner`	`eze: why?`
`09:39.33`	`streuner`	`(or better for what for?`
`09:39.37`	`infernix`	`roxy_: maintainer notified.`
`09:40.00`	`blondie`	`hello my children`
`09:40.13`	`streuner`	`hello grandpa`
`09:40.17`	`ma3x`	`this is stupid`
`09:40.24`	`blondie`	`hey, I'm not that old!`
`09:40.26`	`ma3x`	`when I start resizing partitions on my hard drive`
`09:40.27`	`eze`	`streuner: trying to get a NO site`
`09:40.48`	`ma3x`	`the hard drive starts making this on/off noise. like switchofff switchon`
`09:40.50`	`zl2tod`	`eze: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list`
`09:40.52`	`ma3x`	`what's the problem?`
`09:41.12`	`blondie`	`ma3x: sounds as though it's dying to me`
`09:41.28`	`eze`	`zl2tod: Thank you.`
`09:41.59`	`streuner`	`ma3x: i have the same problem for my SCSI HD, i think its buggy driver, but the HD still works`
`09:42.46`	`liable`	`ma3x: sheesh dude, you have more problems than anyone here it seems. what the hell do you do to your boxen to cause so many problems? :P`
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`09:44.32`	`streuner`	`ma3x: take a look into smartctl package`
`09:45.02`	`ma3x`	`streuner what I should install drivers for my HD?`
`09:45.04`	`ma3x`	`damn`
`09:45.04`	`streuner`	`ma3x: to see if there are issues with your HD, and search on groups.google.com about your HD and linux`
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`09:45.24`	`streuner`	`ma3x: SATA?`
`09:47.15`	`streuner`	`!info smartmontools`
`09:47.23`	`dpkg_`	`smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.36-6 (sid), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 552 kB`
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`09:47.51`	`ma3x`	`streuner no idea, didn't bother to find out`
`09:48.08`	`streuner`	`ma3x: http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2004/10/056-smartmontools/`
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`09:48.51`	`streuner`	`ma3x: all modern HD's support SMART`
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`09:50.35`	`infernix`	`streuner: not working for sata discs it seems. at least not here.`
`09:50.47`	`ma3x`	`streunerthat's not the problem.`
`09:51.28`	`ma3x`	`streuner hd is working fine. but as soon as I partition/copy with partition magic in win, it does that 'vorbeugen'`
`09:52.15`	`ma3x`	`streuner my hd: wdc wd1000bb-00ccb0 driver`
`09:52.21`	`ma3x`	`ignore the driver`
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`09:53.44`	`tralala`	`!test`
`09:53.45`	`dpkg_`	`Yes, tralala, you're still online.`
`09:54.04`	`tralala`	`bah, fix your nick!`
`09:54.23`	`streuner`	`ma3x: it wouldn't hurt (TM) to use smartmontools...`
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`09:59.31`	`pepsi_`	`how do I check if my motherboard has pci 2.2 support?`
`10:01.02`	`streuner`	`pepsi_: by reading the mobo manual?`
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`10:01.28`	`shinobi2`	`yeppie, my wifi is working`
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`10:01.47`	`streuner`	`if you don't have it handy, just search on the manufactor website, pepsi`
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`10:06.54`	`b_52Centos`	`could some one past me in pv his /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_mailboxes.cf`
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`10:09.57`	`rhalff`	`does this indicate rotten memory ? : http://rafb.net/paste/results/bBs4Nv40.html`
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`10:11.08`	`rhalff`	`when running memtest ( Test 2: Random value: Setting...Segmentation fault )`
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`10:11.34`	`egarim`	`exist a file where could i put my iptables rules in /etc/init.d or could i add into rc.local ?`
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`10:15.22`	`Althaser`	`how can I find files greater than 700MB ? please`
`10:16.11`	`SlayerXP`	`Althaser: use 'find' and look for the "size" option in "man find"`
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`10:16.54`	`Althaser`	`SlayerXP I'm on there`
`10:17.04`	`Althaser`	`but I don't see where it says that > than :-P`
`10:17.04`	`SlayerXP`	`great. glad to have been of help.`
`10:17.17`	`Althaser`	`;)`
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`10:21.24`	`pepsi_`	`streuner: gah! its an ooold pc and I have no clue about mobo model... is there no way to figure it out from lspci or something?`
`10:21.39`	`Althaser`	`SlayerXP thanks a lot ;)`
`10:23.14`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: this should do it as well; 'dmesg \| grep PCI BIOS' -- but also use "hwinfo" (needs installation) for more info; sudo hwinfo \| grep PCI`
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`10:23.52`	`stew`	`pepsi_: dmidecode should tell you the model`
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`10:24.30`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: enclose 'PCI BIOS' in atleast single-quotes`
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`10:26.12`	`pepsi_`	`thx!`
`10:26.55`	`enouf`	`stew: funny... dmidecode doesn't seem to list the PCI version anywhere, but I've only grepped it to see`
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`10:27.40`	`stew`	`enouf: it doesn't for me either. it does show the motherboard model`
`10:28.36`	`enouf`	`stew: oh...ok -- I saw earlier he asked for PCI BUS versioning`
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`10:31.14`	`pepsi_`	`enouf: ok. PCI BIOS revision 2.10 I guess my mobo does NOT support PCI 2.2, right?`
`10:31.23`	`pepsi_`	`geh`
`10:31.23`	`enouf`	`stew: I guess he was looking for Mobo model so he could parse the manual for PCI info - but it's a good idea to have the manual too anyway`
`10:31.34`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: Nope :-(`
`10:31.54`	`yang`	`I got this strange error on my tape device - when i execute tar on it it gives me cannot write input/output error - http://paste.debian.net/10242`
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`10:32.34`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: What are you looking to install ...a certain AGP card or IDE Controller Card?`
`10:32.39`	`yang`	`maybe i damaged drive, while cleaning it?`
`10:33.57`	`pepsi_`	`enouf: A wifi-card..`
`10:34.09`	`pepsi_`	`enouf: read somewhere that it required pci 2.2`
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`10:34.56`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: PCI 2.2 "PCI 2.2 allows for 66 MHz signalling (requires 3.3 volt signalling)"`
`10:35.26`	`pepsi_`	`enouf: okey.. so thats what my computer cant handle..`
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`10:36.38`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: right ... the AGP BUS (a PCI Bus extension) is usually the only 66MHz Bus on older mobos`
`10:37.14`	`pepsi_`	`enouf: ok.. thx! this made the project a lot more expensive :]`
`10:37.41`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: no prob`
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`10:44.15`	`floundering`	`Hi, I want to speed up my boot process because of a couple of lengthy delays, in particular the ipv6 ipv4 tunneling driver is very slow`
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`10:48.56`	`planetsim`	`ive just setup a RAID 0, but it will not boot. I get the grub loading message but nothing actually happening. what could be the cause?`
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`10:49.48`	`pepsi_`	`enouf: ok, now I've found an alternative pci-card... its requirement is "32-bit PCI Interface". Do I have THAT?`
`10:50.24`	`epsilon`	`that can be 33 or 66MHz`
`10:50.31`	`haraldhv`	`so I discovered quite quick that 300 mb was not enough for /var, the apt cache ran out quite quick. is there a way to tell apt to use some folder on /tmp instead for the cache?`
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`10:50.51`	`blondie`	`pepsi_: probably`
`10:51.10`	`epsilon`	`haraldhv: link, mount`
`10:51.23`	`epsilon`	`and 300 is way too low`
`10:51.40`	`Althaser`	`which is the right way to clean my /var/log/syslog ? pleas`
`10:51.51`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: Yes`
`10:51.51`	`epsilon`	`rm?`
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`10:52.38`	`Althaser`	`epsilon there is not any problem if I rm syslog ?`
`10:52.43`	`SpeedyG`	`nop`
`10:52.47`	`haraldhv`	`epsilon: you're thinking about mount --bind?`
`10:52.55`	`epsilon`	`well, you loose the log`
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`10:53.15`	`Althaser`	`and then /etc/init.d/syslog start it will create that file again ?`
`10:53.30`	`SpeedyG`	`i've done rm /var/log/* once, it only removes the logfiles... nothing breaks`
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`10:53.34`	`Althaser`	`epsilon yeah sure but no problem about the log`
`10:53.48`	`Althaser`	`ah okay`
`10:53.51`	`Althaser`	`thanks a lot guys`
`10:53.53`	`enouf`	`pepsi_: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Component_Interconnect for much more info about PCI Bus (and it's variants: PCI-X) - BIG note- PCI-Express (PCIe/PCI-E) is totally unrelated to PCI Bus`
`10:53.55`	`epsilon`	`haraldhv: yes. but link/mount is still a emergency solution, make your /var partition bigger (at least 1GB + your personal usage)`
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`10:55.08`	`haraldhv`	`doh. I guess it's a reinstall again then, for the third time :(`
`10:55.15`	`SpeedyG`	`hehe`
`10:55.38`	`SpeedyG`	`that sounds so familiar :)`
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`10:56.43`	`epsilon`	`yeah, my first tie debian took me also 3-4 tries :)`
`10:56.52`	`epsilon`	`+m`
`10:57.19`	`haraldhv`	`well it is actually my seventh time installing debian on some computer`
`10:57.37`	`haraldhv`	`but my first time with splitting the partitions up this much`
`10:57.47`	`haraldhv`	`I've usually just gone for /home and /`
`10:57.49`	`epsilon`	`first time using linux?`
`10:57.54`	`SpeedyG`	`I think i've installed it now for like.. euhm.. 10+ times on my router :P`
`10:58.51`	`epsilon`	`if you're new in linux, create only 1 big partition and mount it as /`
`10:58.53`	`haraldhv`	`epsilon: no, been on slack and gentoo for a while. gentoo worn me down so I collapsed onto debian which just works :)`
`10:59.28`	`SpeedyG`	`downside on gentoo for me, was that it took ages to compile all the crap and I didnt really gained any speed or whatsoever`
`11:00.14`	`five0`	`can anyone recommend time-proven sata raid controllers that offer hardware-raid on linux/bsd?`
`11:00.17`	`haraldhv`	`imagine portage with the speed and binary packages of debian. that would be the perfect linux imo`
`11:00.26`	`five0`	`I'm getting rather fed up with my sil3112 onboard chipset`
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`11:02.59`	`mortal`	`haraldhv: linux is a kernel`
`11:03.24`	`SpeedyG`	`s/linux/distro/ ;)`
`11:03.25`	`raf256`	`how can I allow user JOHN to nice his processes to -5, but still have default nicness of 0`
`11:03.51`	`enouf`	`five0: likely 3ware, Adaptec and MegaRaid, but maybe Areca as well -- see http://www.clintoneast.com/articles/linux-sata-raid.php`
`11:05.28`	`sep`	`five0, 3ware !`
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`11:05.40`	`jvm`	`hi`
`11:05.48`	`SpeedyG`	`hi`
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`11:06.21`	`anapivirtua`	`Ce soir je serais... le maitre du monde !`
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`11:06.54`	`jvm`	`i installed debian etch (net-install) and it ran perfectly, so i installed some softwae and configured my xserver for dualhead. after a reboot /dev/input/mice was gone and xserver didn't work anymore. i think i didn't install any software related to my mouse or xserver, and i restored a copy of the original (working) xorg.conf to be sure that there isn't the problem, but mouse doesn't work anymore.`
`11:07.03`	`jvm`	`and without mouse no xserver`
`11:07.05`	`jvm`	`any idea?`
`11:07.28`	`haraldhv`	`mortal: the word distro was implied`
`11:07.31`	`cakoose`	`Trying to configure Postfix to allow a remote Mozilla Thunderbird client to authenticate and send mail. Can't seem to get SASL authentication to work.`
`11:07.35`	`five0`	`enouf, sep: thanks`
`11:07.48`	`five0`	`sep: i hear a lot about the 3ware controllers`
`11:08.00`	`five0`	`that or ibm, i believe`
`11:08.14`	`jvm`	`cakoose: try #postfix - nice people there`
`11:08.17`	`cakoose`	`The Postfix error log says "Authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory"`
`11:08.20`	`cakoose`	`ok, thanks`
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`11:08.44`	`sep`	`five0, probably becouse the 8xxx series have been working flawlessly since the 2.2 kernel series, and just work . the new 9xxx series card require a recent kernel`
`11:08.56`	`enouf`	`jvm: !drxx`
`11:09.19`	`enouf`	`jvm: /msg dpkg drxx`
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`11:09.39`	`jvm`	`enouf: i don't understand`
`11:09.48`	`enouf`	`jvm: !drxx`
`11:09.54`	`enouf`	`!drxx`
`11:09.55`	`dpkg_`	`drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.`
`11:10.01`	`jvm`	`i tried that`
`11:10.05`	`jvm`	`with xserver-xorg`
`11:10.09`	`jvm`	`did nothing change`
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`11:10.29`	`five0`	`sep: have you any experience with HighPoint RocketRaid 1520?`
`11:10.35`	`five0`	`sep: or any highpoint offerings`
`11:10.56`	`sep`	`none of the highpoints`
`11:11.01`	`enouf`	`jvm: what was the default mouse choice? and what did you choose? -- also pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file`
`11:11.10`	`sep`	`only 3ware intel adaptec`
`11:11.17`	`sep`	`and i like them in that order`
`11:11.32`	`jvm`	`i chose imps/2 because it worked perfectly with mandriva, debian suggested explorer ps2`
`11:11.44`	`jvm`	`i tried both`
`11:11.52`	`jvm`	`(restored config file uses explorer)`
`11:12.30`	`sep`	`jvm, if /dev/input/mice is gone you need to load the mouse kernel modules mousedev and psmouse iirc`
`11:12.35`	`sep`	`put them in /etc/modules`
`11:13.05`	`sep`	`jvm, replace psmouse with usbmounse if it's usb`
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`11:13.07`	`sep`	`or some such`
`11:14.09`	`jvm`	`thanks sep`
`11:14.16`	`jvm`	`but why should it be away after a reboot?`
`11:14.31`	`sep`	`jvm, whatever hardware detection you have dont load it`
`11:14.34`	`jvm`	`Xorg.0.log: http://phpfi.com/137044`
`11:14.46`	`jvm`	`ok, i try it`
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`11:15.09`	`jvm`	`ide-cd`
`11:15.09`	`jvm`	`ide-disk`
`11:15.09`	`jvm`	`ide-generic`
`11:15.09`	`jvm`	`psmouse`
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`11:15.39`	`jvm`	`psmouse is in /etc/modules, mousedev or usbmouse isn't`
`11:15.39`	`sep`	`jvm try it manualy modprobe mousedev ; modprobe psmouse before adding to /etc/modules jsut to test`
`11:16.10`	`jvm`	`ok, have to restart`
`11:16.11`	`jvm`	`thanks`
`11:17.59`	`enouf`	`jvm: listen to sep 1st, he's more exp than I - ...but FWIW - I too had trouble moving from Xfree86 up to Xorg, with mouse and keyboard trouble (and fontdir too), not sure what eventually fixed it - but a combo of installing 'udev' and 'hal' (and then drxx) and a few mkfontdir commands seemed to fix it -- but note, I hear hal is not required, and I'm uncertain if 'udev' is available (auto, or necessary) in Etch (I use Sid)..`
`11:18.31`	`SpeedyG`	`hehe, too late ;)`
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`11:20.22`	`lunitik`	`enouf: Etch and Sid are not that different...`
`11:21.02`	`lunitik`	`enouf: also, KDE and GNOME both do indeed require HAL, but its not necessary for other desktops...`
`11:21.02`	`liran_`	`i tried using splashy for a bootsplash image but it's really messing up the screen after x loads up... what are the alternatives?`
`11:21.42`	`lunitik`	`enouf: the install of Xorg notifies users of issues with upgrading to Xorg from XFree86 also... so no one should really be surprised about that...`
`11:21.58`	`lunitik`	`liran_: usplash is in incoming...`
`11:22.15`	`lunitik`	`liran_: if you can't get splashy working, nothing else will be easier`
`11:23.12`	`lunitik`	`liran_: uhh... was in incoming... guess its been uploaded since then...`
`11:23.28`	`liran_`	`splashy is working fine but it messes up the screen after x boots up, or when xwindows boots up it switches to tty1 console randomly`
`11:23.50`	`stew`	`lunitik: things should only ever be in incoming for a max of 24 hours`
`11:24.05`	`stew`	`its certainly possible to use xorg or gnome without hal`
`11:24.17`	`lunitik`	`stew: I know... I guess time is going fast for me though :o`
`11:25.06`	`lunitik`	`stew: Gnome uses Hal extensively afaik... anything to do with hardware utilizes hal...`
`11:25.51`	`lunitik`	`stew: depending on which version of gnome... I don't think its applicable to sarge... but certainly recent versions...`
`11:26.12`	`lunitik`	`stew: similarly, KDE 3.5.x requires HAL`
`11:26.18`	`stew`	`lunitik: gnome-volume-manger and gnome-power-manager require hal, i don't know of anything else in gnome that does`
`11:26.32`	`stew`	`if you want to install ALL of gnome then you need hal even for sarge`
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`11:28.01`	`sjau`	`hi, I have re-setup my debian system but now when a cron is run the output will be mailed automatically to the user under which the cron runs. How can I disable that?`
`11:28.02`	`stew`	`jeff_hann: please turn that off in here`
`11:28.03`	`lunitik`	`stew: hmm... that makes sense... but I believe even installing 'gnome-core' brings in hal... briefly looking, I don't see why though...`
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`11:29.32`	`lunitik`	`stew: installed gnome like a week ago on debian, I swear it brought in hal... and I know I didn't install 'gnome' or even 'gnome-desktop-environment''`
`11:29.44`	`stew`	`libhal1 but not hal`
`11:30.01`	`stew`	`jeff_hann: why do you keep doing that?`
`11:30.22`	`stew`	`(i didn't realize even libhal1 would come in)`
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`11:30.59`	`lunitik`	`stew: could be wrong... I'm not installing it right now...`
`11:31.46`	`sep`	`lunitik, apt-cache rdepends hal shows you packages that depends on hal.. gnome-volume-manager is one of them`
`11:31.53`	`jetscreamer`	`yes gnome something does bring in hal`
`11:32.02`	`stew`	`nautilus -> libgnomevfs2-0 -> libhal1, which still deoesn't require udev at least, its only when you bring in hal via gnome-volume-manager that you get hal and udev`
`11:32.16`	`jetscreamer`	`but i think it's one of those preselected suggests/recommends`
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`11:35.38`	`lunitik`	`stew: gnome-applets also... but yeah, I was talking about the lib... not the package itself... meh`
`11:36.49`	`lunitik`	`stew: libhal1 technically is part of hal anyways though...`
`11:37.33`	`enouf`	`lunitik: thanks for the info -- I got called away from the box for a bit ;-0 -- and I recall that it (udev) recommends (viahemently so) uninstalling hotplug`
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`11:38.27`	`lunitik`	`enouf: conflicts ... and wants you to purge... yes`
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`11:39.30`	`enouf`	`lunitik: got it - kinda busy now`
`11:39.41`	`enouf`	`lunitik: thanks`
`11:39.45`	`maxy`	`what program do I use to send a mail from a script?`
`11:40.06`	`lunitik`	`maxy: /usr/sbin/sendmail ?`
`11:40.06`	`stew`	`maxy: "mail"`
`11:40.13`	`lunitik`	`or mail`
`11:40.36`	`maxy`	`thanks`
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`11:46.41`	`jvm`	`thank you sep. since i added mousedev and usbmouse to /etc/modules everything works fine.`
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`11:47.09`	`sep`	`jvm, probably if you installed udev it would have automagically loaded those`
`11:47.28`	`jvm`	`does it make sense that i install udev now?`
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`11:48.50`	`sep`	`jvm, for other things it might`
`11:49.24`	`jvm`	`sep: for example?`
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`11:51.13`	`sep`	`dummo`
`11:51.20`	`sep`	`dunno`
`11:51.35`	`jvm`	`another little question: where do i get something like libdvdcss and win32codecs with debian?`
`11:51.52`	`jvm`	`ubuntu hat a nice little tool called easyubuntu which installed that automatically`
`11:52.20`	`infernix`	`jvm: www.debian-multimedia.org`
`11:52.29`	`jvm`	`thanks inferni and sep.`
`11:52.30`	`jvm`	`bye`
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`11:54.20`	`five0`	`sep: finally settled on a 3Ware 8006-2LP. I'll be getting it for roughly $150AU :)`
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`11:55.02`	`egarim`	`iptables -p tcp --syn --dport 22 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 2 -j REJECT`
`11:55.17`	`egarim`	`why this rules get me error ?`
`11:55.18`	`infernix`	`five0: there's 3dm2 packages on debian-unofficial.org`
`11:55.37`	`infernix`	`you'll want it. 3dm2 is sweet.`
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`11:56.50`	`stew`	`egarim: you didn't speicify what tables/chain to add/remove that rule from`
`11:57.00`	`five0`	`infernix: cool , thanks :)`
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`11:58.10`	`egarim`	`stew: if i put`
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`11:58.14`	`egarim`	`-A INPUT`
`11:58.18`	`egarim`	`iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 60022 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 2 -j REJECT`
`11:58.18`	`egarim`	`iptables: No chain/target/match by that name`
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`11:58.40`	`fasta`	`Where can I set environment variables that affect Gnome (and other later window managers/DEs I might use later on)? I already tried various files: .xsession, .xprofile, but it didn't seem to work. Does anyone know for sure where I need to add the code to set the env. var.?`
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`12:01.08`	`stew`	`egarim: ask #iptables`
`12:01.20`	`fasta`	`(when started from gdm)`
`12:01.33`	`infernix`	`fasta: /etc/profile?`
`12:01.49`	`fasta`	`infernix: when does that get run? Changes in .profile didn't work.`
`12:02.04`	`infernix`	`i guess it doesnt then`
`12:02.10`	`fasta`	`infernix: and I want to configure it as user, not as root.`
`12:02.11`	`enouf`	`lunitik, sep, stew: thanks for the enlightening (and somewhat confusing) udev, hal, discussion as it pertains to GNOME and KDE, as well as Xorg - I wonder why in Sid, I only have the usual 4 modules listed (ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, and psmouse modules) in /etc/modules - and I'm not needing 'mousedev' (and 'usbmouse', no USB mice/keyboards here)`
`12:02.30`	`infernix`	`fasta: .xinitrc? probably ignored when using gdm`
`12:02.50`	`fasta`	`infernix: also ignored.`
`12:02.52`	`infernix`	`fasta: and isnt it .Xsession (note the uppercase)`
`12:02.53`	`lunitik`	`enouf: I think psmouse requires mousedev`
`12:03.11`	`stew`	`enouf: which /dev are you using for your mouse in xorg.conf?`
`12:03.15`	`stew`	`lunitik: no, it doesn't`
`12:03.20`	`fasta`	`infernix: not according to some of the documentation I read. (don't have an url of it though)`
`12:03.20`	`lunitik`	`enouf: either that... or udev picks that up automatically... either way, you don't need it`
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`12:03.42`	`lunitik`	`s/it/to load it yourself/`
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`12:03.53`	`infernix`	`fasta: shrug. you could always strace it and grep through the strace log. i dunno.`
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`12:04.08`	`fasta`	`infernix: strace gdm?`
`12:04.11`	`enouf`	`stew: /dev/input/mice`
`12:04.17`	`fasta`	`infernix: do I need to change something in init then?`
`12:04.23`	`stew`	`enouf: then something is loading mousedev for you`
`12:04.33`	`stew`	`!wikifaq fasta DotFiles`
`12:04.33`	`dpkg_`	`fasta: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`12:04.44`	`enouf`	`lunitik: I think so - since i do have udev and hal installed and no hotplug anymore`
`12:04.51`	`stew`	`enouf: either discover or udev then`
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`12:05.04`	`gilianima`	`where is there root directory for vsFTPd ?`
`12:05.34`	`stew`	`gilianima: what do you mean?`
`12:06.07`	`lunitik`	`stew: discover never used to handle that... had to manually load mousedev before udev was available...`
`12:06.36`	`gilianima`	`stew: the root of apache server is /var/www, what about vsftpd ?`
`12:06.39`	`DerJamster`	`gilianima: usually /home/ftp`
`12:06.41`	`gilianima`	`document root`
`12:06.43`	`fasta`	`infernix: I am interested in that strace option (for later debugging problems, s.t. I don't need to ask here again). I used strace before, but don't really know how it interacts with init\`
`12:07.03`	`gilianima`	`DerJamster: ok, thanks`
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`12:07.53`	`fasta`	`stew: thank you`
`12:08.12`	`drasko`	`hi all. I am looking at sources for my distro and I can see linux directory, and within it drivers/i2c/... and so on. I need some i2c driver, especially i2c-s3c2410.c, and corresponding i2c-s3c2410.h. Whaere I can find these on the kernel.org repository? I am a bit confused, please help...`
`12:09.15`	`stew`	`for ftp the root would be / by default, i'd think`
`12:09.24`	`cahoot`	`drasko: like /usr/src/linux-2.6.17/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-s3c2410.c`
`12:10.17`	`drasko`	`cahoot: I need this on the web, on kernel.or. Is it possible to download it from there?`
`12:10.28`	`enouf`	`stew: oh ... ok -- take a quick look at my output of "lshal \| grep mouse", "sudo discover", and "grep MOUSE /boot/config-2.6.16*" (using Kernel 2.6.16-2-686) - just trying to understand the load sequence is all`
`12:10.59`	`enouf`	`stew: duh: http://pastebin.ca/115156`
`12:11.11`	`cahoot`	`drasko: besides dowloading the complete kernel src? - I don't know`
`12:11.12`	`fasta`	`"When the smoke clears, he'll have an X server process running" <- who makes up this? :)`
`12:11.17`	`raf256`	`bzflag developers are retarded!`
`12:11.18`	`raf256`	`...just kidding ;) I found a bug in bzflag (testing) and I will try to rebuild it with symbols and debug nicelly perhaps even patch :)`
`12:11.40`	`drasko`	`cahoot: yes, besides downloading whole kernel...`
`12:11.44`	`raf256`	`anyone else experiencing sound problems in bzflag testing perhaps?`
`12:11.53`	`stew`	`raf256: /msg dpkg bts`
`12:13.42`	`five0`	`infernix: oh, are the 3ware 8xxx controller cards all 64bit?`
`12:14.00`	`five0`	`infernix: and is the 64bit a problem considering i'm not running a 64bit system?`
`12:14.16`	`stew`	`five0: yes, but they run degrade gracefully onto a 32 bit bus`
`12:14.43`	`sep`	`five0, yes. but as stew say they work in a normal 32 bit pci bus too`
`12:14.59`	`stew`	`enouf: i suspect udev is loading mousedev for you, but i dont' know. it certainly doens't seem to for many people by the number of people that show up here with no /dev/input/mice`
`12:15.08`	`five0`	`stew: the 8xxx are old, aren't they? their 64bit support came _before_ 64bit became popular?`
`12:15.18`	`five0`	`sep: are you using it on a 32bit system yourself?`
`12:15.30`	`sep`	`five0, yes`
`12:15.52`	`sep`	`five0, 64bit have been popular in servers long before it became popular on the desktop`
`12:15.56`	`stew`	`five0: i don't know when if ever 64 bit pci became popular.`
`12:16.20`	`sep`	`but i guess pci[e\|-X] beat out the whole issue`
`12:16.25`	`stew`	`five0: i've been using 6xxx and 7xxx 64 bit 3ware cards on both 32 and 64 bit busses for a long time though`
`12:16.33`	`enouf`	`stew: I see -- will investigate further when i have time (as I stated earlier, I had to kinda fe-na-gle it all to get it to work, so mine may not be "typical") -- thanks for the info`
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`12:18.30`	`five0`	`sep, stew: ok, thanks mate`
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`12:30.46`	`azeem`	`jeff_hann: please turn off public away`
`12:32.27`	`jes-o-mat`	`azeem: but it was public back, not away ;-)`
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`12:34.11`	`basanta`	`udev doesn't start automatically in my debian etch box , I have to start it manually to make usbdisk mount automatically`
`12:34.56`	`stew`	`basanta: what does "uname -r" say?`
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`12:36.41`	`tralala`	`is udev supposed to mount usbdisks?`
`12:36.53`	`basanta`	`stew, 2.6.17 kernel`
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`12:37.26`	`basanta`	`tralala, yes`
`12:37.34`	`jes-o-mat`	`tralala: indeed it is not =)`
`12:37.49`	`stew`	`basanta: its not supposed to mount anything`
`12:38.01`	`jes-o-mat`	`it's for creating device files`
`12:38.23`	`liable`	`basanta: udev make a /dev for it, it does not actually mount it.`
`12:38.32`	`stew`	`basanta: well it could be configured to possibly by configuring it to run some script, but it woudlnt' come that way out of the box`
`12:38.45`	`enouf`	`basanta: pastebin the output of ' lsmod \| grep us* ' -- and as others state, you likely need an entry in /etc/fstab is all (maybe?)`
`12:38.57`	`stew`	`basanta: if its not starting at boot, you might need configure the init script to run automatically with update-rc.d or rcconf`
`12:39.15`	`enouf`	`basanta: actaully: no they didn't state that -- I did :-p`
`12:39.32`	`basanta`	`stew, after starting udev it creates new links into /dev`
`12:39.40`	`stew`	`basanta: if you want usbdisks to automount, the recommended way would be to use something like gnome-volume-manager or ivman`
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`12:39.44`	`stew`	`basanta: yes`
`12:40.00`	`stew`	`basanta: creating the links is expected, having disks actually mounted is not`
`12:40.11`	`stew`	`s/links/device nodes/`
`12:40.22`	`basanta`	`stew, I already have gvm`
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`12:40.58`	`stew`	`basanta: what version does "dpkg -l udev" report?`
`12:41.14`	`liable`	`!hi`
`12:41.14`	`dpkg_`	`hello, liable`
`12:41.21`	`liable`	`still borken`
`12:41.25`	`stew`	`dondelelcaro: ^^^`
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`12:41.43`	`liable`	`yah, /msg him earlier :)`
`12:41.55`	`liable`	`well, highlighted him anyway`
`12:42.01`	`basanta`	`udev version 0.093-1`
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`12:43.25`	`basanta`	`stew, are ivman and gvm functionally same?`
`12:44.03`	`stew`	`basanta: similar. if you are using gnome you should stick to gvm. it sounds like all you really need to do is configure udev to start at boot`
`12:44.06`	`liable`	`is there anything better than just a damp cloth to clean lcd's?`
`12:44.49`	`basanta`	`stew, it is started at /etc/rcS.d but doesn't get started`
`12:45.01`	`enouf`	`liable: warm water and a bit of mild dishwashing liguid soap?`
`12:45.10`	`enouf`	`s/liguid/liquid`
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`12:45.37`	`enouf`	`liable: or - you can pay $$ for something :p`
`12:45.42`	`stew`	`basanta: but it starts fine when you start it by hand?`
`12:45.50`	`basanta`	`stew, yes`
`12:45.53`	`liable`	`enouf: i dunno if i want to use dishwashingliquid on it (its usually alkaline, though i dunno if it would harm it)`
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`12:46.29`	`stew`	`i just use windex when i lint-free cloth isn't enough, though that probably makes some people cringe`
`12:46.42`	`liable`	`stew: on an lcd?`
`12:46.46`	`stew`	`yes`
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`12:46.48`	`enouf`	`liable: I clean mine with it -- just use the mildest "hand" soap you can find then .. just dilute it -- and wipe with damp clean rag (then dry clean rag) after`
`12:46.56`	`basanta`	`stew, and fyi after starting it manually, I can't start terminal`
`12:47.08`	`stew`	`basanta: can't? why hnot?`
`12:47.13`	`liable`	`stew: your right, that makes me cringe.. :)`
`12:47.21`	`enouf`	`stew: you nut :-p`
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`12:48.52`	`stew`	`life's too short to be mixing up diluted mixtures of mild hand soap`
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`12:50.12`	`stew`	`windex claims it's good on windows, i don't see why it wouldn't work for linux too :P`
`12:50.30`	`liable`	`hah`
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`12:51.48`	`vlt`	`Hello. After rebooting my 2nd NIC sometimes is eth2 not eth1. a) How can I change eth2 to eth1 NOW? How can i prevent the kernel from changing the dev name when booting?`
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`12:52.47`	`stew`	`vlt: what version of debian?`
`12:53.19`	`stew`	`vlt: either force the modules to load in the order you want them by listing them in that order in /etc/modules, or use ifrename to set the names by mac address`
`12:53.29`	`vlt`	`Erm, ..... <duck> it's ubuntu dapper ...`
`12:53.31`	`liable`	`oe udev rules`
`12:53.33`	`stew`	`vlt: in testing/unstable, udev will name them statically`
`12:53.34`	`stew`	`yeah`
`12:53.36`	`liable`	`s/oe/or/`
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`12:53.54`	`liable`	`!smight vlt`
`12:53.58`	`liable`	`dog`
`12:54.00`	`liable`	`doh`
`12:54.04`	`Ronin`	`heh`
`12:54.18`	`Ronin`	`vlt: i think your in the wrong channel`
`12:54.23`	`Ronin`	`no i know you are`
`12:54.29`	`hjubal`	`hola`
`12:54.51`	`vlt`	`Ok, I'm sorry ...`
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`12:55.01`	`Ronin`	`vlt: try #ubuntu`
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`12:55.19`	`vlt`	`Ronin: Just did that, thanks.`
`12:55.47`	`poushag`	`hi folks - using debian sarge and ntpdate wont run 'no servers can be used, exiting' is the error i get - but the server is listed in /etc/init.d/ntpdate and i can ping it - ntp is working fine on my other computers - any idea what is wrong?`
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`12:58.45`	`basanta`	`stew, i have changed the S03udev to S99udev and rebooted.. now the automounting is workking fine`
`12:59.08`	`basanta`	`stew, BUT some programs seems not working. like gnome-terminal`
`12:59.15`	`liable`	`that will work ok, untill udev is next upgraded`
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`12:59.49`	`basanta`	`stew, liable also cannot remotely ssh to that machine as well`
`12:59.50`	`ma3x`	`how can I find out what driver is my ethernet card using?`
`12:59.59`	`ma3x`	`lsmod \| grep eth1 didn't help!`
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`13:02.00`	`ma3x`	`hegllooooooooo`
`13:03.09`	`cydork`	`ma3x: AFAIK it wont work, lsmod just lists module there wont be a reference to eth`
`13:03.34`	`ma3x`	`cydork so give me some idea?`
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`13:03.36`	`vovo4ka`	`hi`
`13:03.39`	`ma3x`	`there must be a way to detect iot`
`13:03.39`	`stew`	`ma3x: /msg dpkg_ which module for 0200:`
`13:03.46`	`ma3x`	`like when you boot from floppy there is baseconf`
`13:03.48`	`ma3x`	`and it tells you`
`13:03.50`	`vovo4ka`	`i got "Kernel Panic - not syncing: I/0 error reading memory image" on 2.6.17.7`
`13:03.53`	`ma3x`	`or like alsaconf some utility`
`13:03.53`	`stew`	`ma3x: or look at dmesg`
`13:04.08`	`vovo4ka`	`8-(`
`13:04.42`	`vovo4ka`	`help =)`
`13:04.42`	`stew`	`basanta: what happens when you try to run gnome-terminal?`
`13:04.42`	`ma3x`	`stew: what's 0200?`
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`13:04.42`	`stew`	`ma3x: ethernet`
`13:04.47`	`basanta`	`stew, the error about "child process exited"`
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`13:05.04`	`stew`	`basanta: have you checked the bts?`
`13:05.24`	`basanta`	`stew, not yet`
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`13:08.43`	`basanta`	`stew, it looks like, the terminal is looking the /dev/tty.. which after starting udev is not available or changed`
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`13:10.21`	`liable`	`vovo4ka: i take it that this is a custom kernel. and in that case, it sounds like you messed the config`
`13:10.23`	`raf256`	`damn`
`13:10.36`	`raf256`	`sometimes, for unknow reason, suddenly apt reports that packages are not authenticated`
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`13:10.46`	`raf256`	`like if it losts gpg signatures or soemthing`
`13:10.52`	`stew`	`basanta: does it work when you use a debian kernel instead of a custom kernel?`
`13:10.56`	`azeem`	`raf256: probably when they are from a 3rd party repo`
`13:10.57`	`stew`	`raf256: run apt-get update and try again`
`13:10.58`	`raf256`	`i use synaptic/apt-get but I connect to my apt-proxy`
`13:11.06`	`raf256`	`azeem: no, a regular pack`
`13:11.19`	`basanta`	`stew, never tried`
`13:11.44`	`basanta`	`stew, should i try using debian kernel?`
`13:12.09`	`azeem`	`basanta: he suggested so already`
`13:12.19`	`enouf`	`basanta: funny - I have the same udev version as you (0.093-1), but i don't see any SxxUdev entries in any /etc/rcX.d dirs...there's a "S20makedev" in rc2.d`
`13:12.25`	`raf256`	`is debian hurd usable nowdays?`
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`13:13.32`	`stew`	`enouf: its usually started in /etc/rcS.d`
`13:13.44`	`stew`	`basanta: you also might consider /msg dpkg fresh udev config`
`13:13.53`	`stew`	`basanta: actually i might recommend that before you try a different kernel`
`13:14.23`	`basanta`	`stew, ok I try`
`13:14.26`	`abrotman`	`raf256: ask them`
`13:14.41`	`azeem`	`raf256: no`
`13:15.13`	`enouf`	`basanta: ahh...in /etc/rcS.d I have this "S03udev"`
`13:15.20`	`raf256`	`apt-get update hangs on Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org testing/non-free Sources/DiffIndex what the hell`
`13:15.39`	`enouf`	`basanta: I mean stew thanks -- found it as uyou wrote it ;-)`
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`13:17.05`	`basanta`	`stew, I removed /etc/rsS.d/S99udev, now usbdisk doesn't automount`
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`13:17.33`	`my007ms`	`do i have to have /lib and /usr in my root partian system`
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`13:17.52`	`azeem`	`basanta: well, udev is a pre-requirement for usb mounting I guess`
`13:17.57`	`azeem`	`but not all of the requirements`
`13:18.22`	`vovo4ka`	`liable, i cant find what exact`
`13:18.23`	`vovo4ka`	`=\`
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`13:18.31`	`liable`	`basanta: how did you get into this mess to start with?`
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`13:18.55`	`liable`	`vovo4ka: so keep compiling till you fix it :P`
`13:19.06`	`vovo4ka`	`=)`
`13:19.14`	`liable`	`vovo4ka: its cruel, but its the best way to learn..`
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`13:20.39`	`nekromaan`	`hellöö, what kernel option is necessery for a laptop-touchpad, or do i have to put a new device section to the xorg.conf?`
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`13:21.02`	`stew`	`nekromaan: /msg dpkg synaptics`
`13:21.27`	`tralala`	`!test`
`13:21.27`	`dpkg_`	`Sorry, tralala, I didn't get your test.`
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`13:21.41`	`tralala`	`stew: I guess this makes it /msg dpkg_`
`13:22.00`	`liable`	`even that wont work`
`13:22.11`	`stew`	`!synaptics`
`13:22.11`	`dpkg_`	`synaptics is probably a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html`
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`13:22.14`	`liable`	`dpkg_ isnt registered, so cant /msg`
`13:22.17`	`baegle`	`Does anyone know how to find esdplay? I've been trying to get XChat to play sound and I'm having one heck of time. I can't find esdplay, play, or aplay to see if those work at all`
`13:22.31`	`tralala`	`what's wrong with the bot?`
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`13:22.43`	`aptitude`	`Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew)`
`13:22.49`	`liable`	`yay`
`13:22.51`	`abrotman`	`aptitude: wb`
`13:22.51`	`aptitude`	`thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back.`
`13:23.03`	`nekromaan`	`stew: big thx!!`
`13:23.26`	`tralala`	`nekromaan: this looks like a pretty small thanks actually`
`13:24.28`	`nekromaan`	`tralala: lol ok :), stew is it possible to post me your mousepad section?`
`13:24.58`	`stew`	`nekromaan: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead`
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`13:25.14`	`stew`	`nekromaan: note that i don't allow my touchpad to move the mouse, i only use it for scrolling`
`13:26.02`	`stew`	`nekromaan: and that is set with the *Edge settings, if you omit those you'll get the default. i also have MaxTapTime at 0 which disallows tap to click`
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`13:26.46`	`enouf`	`stew: basanta said [[ " /etc/rsS.d/S99udev, now usbdisk doesn't automount" ]] - so do you think the /etc/rcS.d/S03udev entry I found on my sys is appropro?`
`13:26.55`	`stew`	`enouf: yes`
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`13:27.24`	`enouf`	`stew: thanks (in case basanta disappeared - so I atleast know) ;-)`
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`13:29.22`	`nekromaan`	`stewm thx for decleration, do i only need synaptics installed to use the driver?`
`13:30.48`	`stew`	`nekromaan: yes, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics`
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`13:32.12`	`raf256`	`there is no debian pack for Enemy Territory?`
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`13:32.30`	`stew`	`raf256: /msg dpkg search`
`13:33.23`	`nekromaan`	`stew: it looks like a have a section already, shouldn`
`13:33.32`	`nekromaan`	`'t it work with it -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/yw5Y8r16.html stew`
`13:34.22`	`stew`	`nekromaan: yes, that should work. as long as you have the driver installed`
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`13:34.32`	`ma3x`	`stew, how was the command to find out what driver is my ethernet card using?`
`13:34.34`	`stew`	`nekromaan: and as long as you have the psmouse module loaded`
`13:34.44`	`ma3x`	`stew, all I see in dmesg is eth1: 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter at 0001e400, 00:02:44:3f:94:7f, IRQ 11.`
`13:34.45`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: ethtool`
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`13:35.20`	`ma3x`	`just tell me, what should I msg to dpkg to tell me the drivers`
`13:35.23`	`ma3x`	`something lspci and then what?`
`13:35.39`	`cjari`	`hi, I'm trying to kill a window with kill command but it doesnt work, any suggestions? :)`
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`13:36.01`	`cydork`	`cjari: try xkill :P`
`13:36.17`	`cjari`	`thanks cydork`
`13:36.49`	`stew`	`ma3x: "lspci -n \| grep 0200" will tell you the pciid in the third column, somehting like 8086:1076, then you can take that and run: grep "8086.*1076" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap`
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`13:37.08`	`tralala`	`ma3x: you can use lspci to find the pci id of the card and then check the kernel id list to see which driver is responsible for this id.`
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`13:37.23`	`stew`	`ma3x: but that does not tell you what module is loaded for your ethernet, it lists all the available modules that claim to support it (and in most cases there will only be one anyway)`
`13:37.23`	`enouf`	`[On the side] In general: Does anyone think it's a bit "unsafe" to post the MAC addy of the any relevant Eth devices ?? I was told by a *nix Network guru, that it doesn't need concern...I presume since most 192.x.x.x. (172.x.x.x, and 10.x.x.x.) are "private" addys`
`13:37.36`	`nekromaan`	`stew: mhm, ok i think i found the reason -> Symbol: MOUSE_PS2 [=n]; what do you think?`
`13:37.39`	`anapivirtua`	`Nighty.`
`13:37.51`	`stew`	`nekromaan: that would be a problem`
`13:38.13`	`nekromaan`	`kk, cause touchpad isnt working, i'll compile it new`
`13:39.06`	`ma3x`	`thanks`
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`13:39.26`	`stew`	`enouf: 192.168.0.0 is private but 192.167.0.0 isn't. but those are ip addresses not mac addresses`
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`13:40.30`	`stew`	`enouf: i don't see the harm in posting a mac address however, you need to be on the same layer 2 network in order to do anything with it`
`13:40.54`	`stew`	`what the heck is SURECOM, never heard of that nic`
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`13:42.38`	`enouf`	`stew: Yes -- sorry, I should've been more clear about the relevant 192.168.x.x addys, but my point was the MAC addys aren't a "Security" risk (as far as others knowing it) because the IP addys we use are mostly "private" (I use a hardware Router (4port separate device, does SPI, and has DDoS protection), whereas it seems most *nix ppl set up a box to do this)`
`13:42.50`	`ma3x`	`can I take linux ethernet driver and load it in windows for my ethernet card?`
`13:42.54`	`ma3x`	`or should I do compilation or something`
`13:42.59`	`azeem`	`ma3x: eh?`
`13:43.24`	`azeem`	`ma3x: do you think the Windows and Linux driver interfaces are compatible?`
`13:43.25`	`sep`	`ma3x, no you can not. dl the windows driver from the card vendord homepage`
`13:43.42`	`abrotman`	`is ma3x getting windows or Debian support here?`
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`13:44.01`	`azeem`	`he's getting a last chance to prove he's not a troll before being kicked`
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`13:44.43`	`enouf`	`stew: Right ...ok -- that's my line of thinking - I guess if someone else can get "inside" whatever network segment you're on, knowing your MAC addy, they can steal your "IDENTITY" -- but I guess you'd respond with --> "Well you've got major problems then anyways once they're in"`
`13:44.49`	`planetsim`	`i need to re-edit my XF86Config file as im getting a Freq out of range error from the monitor how to I get Grub to boot into the Shell rather than gdm?`
`13:44.57`	`abrotman`	`linux single ?`
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`13:45.40`	`liable`	`enouf: if they can even sniff your network, they can spoof your mac address`
`13:45.41`	`ma3x`	`what?`
`13:45.50`	`ma3x`	`I was just asking this because under linux everythings fine`
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`13:46.00`	`ma3x`	`and in windows I get this stupid pausing (freeze) every 10th second`
`13:46.02`	`tralala`	`enouf: you can't hide your mac address and 192.x.x.x is not a mac address`
`13:46.04`	`abrotman`	`ma3x: so you're asking us how to get your NIC working in windows ?`
`13:46.07`	`ma3x`	`so I was wondering if I could use a linux driver`
`13:46.16`	`azeem`	`ma3x: this channel is not doing Windows support`
`13:46.27`	`tralala`	`ma3x: you can't`
`13:46.32`	`stew`	`ma3x: /msg aptitude which module for 0200`
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`13:46.44`	`enouf`	`liable: Ok -- got it - so knowing a "specific" MAC addy of a device or not, isn't so relevant then`
`13:46.49`	`stew`	`oops, i was scrolled back`
`13:47.24`	`ma3x`	`stew I found out: fealnx`
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`13:47.33`	`Pret`	`hello all`
`13:47.55`	`Pret`	`how can i tar a file so that it unzips to the filename less the extension please?`
`13:47.57`	`tralala`	`enouf: network security is a complex area and has (little or) nothing to do with mac/IPv4 addresses`
`13:48.19`	`liable`	`enouf: no, its a very easy thing to fake, and things like mac filtering are a waste of time. if you can sniff any of the network packets, then you can get mac addresses`
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`13:48.29`	`enouf`	`tralala: There's some misunderstanding then - I'm not saying a MAC addy is an IP addy -- apologies if it seeems like that -- I guess I mean one shouldn't post willy-nilly (like a personal Email address) all over the www is all -- and trying to give the presumptive reasons "for" rather than "against"`
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`13:49.08`	`enouf`	`liable: I see - thanks for that`
`13:49.20`	`stew`	`enouf: your security should not in any way be relying on people not knowing your addresses`
`13:49.25`	`Pret`	`i have checked the tar --man but cannot work it out`
`13:49.48`	`stew`	`enouf: that's the "security by obscurity" that people talk about as being not real security`
`13:49.55`	`liable`	`enouf: i will gladly give you my mac address and my wpa key if you like :)`
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`13:50.12`	`liable`	`enouf: unless you live next door!`
`13:50.15`	`enouf`	`stew: you mean not knowing your MAC addy - ok got that obscurity comment too - thanks`
`13:50.16`	`tralala`	`enouf: security through obscurity (i.e. hiding your address) doesn't work. Mac address matters only in ethernet networks not in IP networks`
`13:50.29`	`enouf`	`liable: hahahaha -- I get ya ;-)`
`13:50.35`	`stew`	`enouf: mac address, ip address, whatever`
`13:50.44`	`stew`	`maybe home address is different`
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`13:50.45`	`stew`	`:)`
`13:50.51`	`blackelf`	`hi, my debian just hanged`
`13:51.09`	`blackelf`	`whant I will boot it up again, which logs I should save? I suspect it was a kernel problem`
`13:51.11`	`enouf`	`liable: so..to follow up - The MAC addy is in every IP packet this sends - and if sniffed it's known anyway`
`13:51.19`	`Pret`	`can anyone see my messages ??`
`13:51.28`	`blackelf`	`after logging again /var/log/dmesg will contain the previous messages?`
`13:51.31`	`blackelf`	`Pret: yes`
`13:51.32`	`liable`	`enouf: every ip packet has the mac adderess`
`13:51.47`	`Pret`	`ok ty blackelf`
`13:51.54`	`stew`	`enouf: but if you send me a packet, i don't see your mac address, i only see mac addresses of people on the same layer 2 network (connected to the same switches/hubs with no routers in between)`
`13:51.57`	`enouf`	`liable: thanks - that clears up a lot for me now - makes some new neuron connections ;-)`
`13:52.17`	`Pret`	`so i am trying to tar a file so that it expands to its filename as a directory <-- does that make sense?`
`13:52.33`	`Pret`	`less the extension`
`13:53.06`	`Pret`	`can anyone help please?`
`13:53.22`	`liable`	`!tar`
`13:53.22`	`dpkg_`	`Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory"`
`13:53.30`	`tralala`	`Pret: what is it that you have and what is it that you want to have?`
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`13:53.37`	`enouf`	`stew: Ok -- I see - because you dont need the MAC addy of my device to receive the packets properly, just the correct ARP, or IP addy, or route, etc ??`
`13:54.10`	`Pret`	`i have filename.tar.gz and want to expand it to filename/`
`13:54.31`	`liable`	`Pret: see what dpkg just said`
`13:54.33`	`Pret`	`at present filename/tar/gz expamds to .`
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`13:54.56`	`stew`	`enouf: to and from mac addresses are replaced by each router the packet traverses, they are only used to make a single hop from one ethernet card to the next`
`13:55.14`	`stew`	`s/router/router or bridge/`
`13:55.14`	`tralala`	`Pret: mkdir filename; tar -C filename zxf filename.tar.gz`
`13:56.02`	`Pret`	`i want to automate this action please using a pattern`
`13:56.03`	`enouf`	`stew: ahh like traceroute does, so when it hops, the MAC addy (gets changed) changes in the packets?`
`13:56.15`	`Pret`	`i am able to do as dpkg says == no troubles`
`13:56.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`how i enable the "control, alt, +/-" keys for change my resolution "on the fly" ?`
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`13:57.00`	`abrotman`	`xrandr`
`13:57.09`	`Pret`	`i want a script something like mkdir "filename - extension" then tar xf filename.tar.gz into "filename" directory`
`13:57.19`	`tralala`	`Pret: this can be done with a simple shell script, ask #bash for help`
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`13:59.00`	`enouf`	`stew: or is the Orig MAC addy still there, and the new ones (each router or eth device that packet touches) gets appended somewhere in the headers??`
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`13:59.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`abrotman, i have the package installed, i need to add a line to my xorg.conf file for enable it ?`
`13:59.40`	`abrotman`	`to enable other resolutions .. yes`
`13:59.51`	`Pret`	`can i create a dir using a filename without the extension?`
`14:00.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmh, what is the line ?`
`14:00.14`	`tralala`	`Pret: yes, you can`
`14:00.20`	`liable`	`Thanatermesis: in extensions iirc`
`14:00.21`	`man_in_ltop`	`i'm having problems with openssh-server package in unstable. can anyone else install it?`
`14:00.28`	`Pret`	`good tralala do you knwo how pleae?`
`14:00.40`	`enouf`	`stew, liable, tralala: thanks for all the info - it's been enlightening - that's enough networking questions from me for now ;-)`
`14:00.59`	`man_in_ltop`	`technically this appears to be a useradd issue`
`14:01.17`	`sng`	`a/w`
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`14:01.28`	`liable`	`Thanatermesis: maybe i suck actuelly`
`14:01.41`	`liable`	`s/actuelly/actually/`
`14:02.13`	`man_in_ltop`	`http://pastebin.ca/115284 << if anyone is intersted in the error`
`14:02.19`	`lunitik`	`Thanatermesis: what does your nick mean? and how exactly would you go about saying it?`
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`14:02.36`	`tralala`	`Pret: Not exactly, that's why I'm suggesting #bash - they know better than me there`
`14:02.36`	`stew`	`enouf: the to and from addresses both get replaced at each hop. nobody who isn't connected to the same switches sees your mac addr`
`14:03.00`	`abrotman`	`man_in_ltop: checked the BTS?`
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`14:03.13`	`man_in_ltop`	`not yet`
`14:03.23`	`cydork`	`man_in_ltop: argument to -g is a gid .`
`14:03.33`	`cydork`	`man_in_ltop: as in number`
`14:03.51`	`man_in_ltop`	`yes`
`14:04.22`	`man_in_ltop`	`but manpage says it can be name too ...`
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`14:04.45`	`lunitik`	`cydork: The group name or number of the user’s initial login group`
`14:04.49`	`man_in_ltop`	`afaict adduser is being run by openssh-server.postinst`
`14:04.53`	`lunitik`	`cydork: -G is every other group`
`14:05.08`	`man_in_ltop`	`but everything i've tried to fix it so far hasn't work`
`14:05.34`	`cydork`	`lunitik: the line says useradd: invalid numeric argument 'nogroup' otherthan that idk :)`
`14:05.44`	`man_in_ltop`	`i've tried specifying --ingroup 65534 or --gid 65534 on the adduser line in the script`
`14:05.47`	`man_in_ltop`	`no difference`
`14:05.59`	`man_in_ltop`	`i don't get where adduser is getting the string 'nogroup' from`
`14:06.04`	`lunitik`	`cydork: shrug thats from useradd's manual page`
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`14:06.46`	`cydork`	`lunitik: for that group must exists.`
`14:07.04`	`cydork`	`lunitik: so if it doesn't exists it wont work.`
`14:07.33`	`cydork`	`man_in_ltop: add a group called as nogroup`
`14:07.45`	`man_in_ltop`	`cydork, there is already one listed`
`14:08.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`liable, yes but... how to know the name of this line ? what is the man of all the options posible for xorg.conf ?`
`14:08.16`	`man_in_ltop`	`indeed`
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`14:08.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh well, xorg.conf looks to have all`
`14:09.07`	`liable`	`Thanatermesis: ask abrotman he seems to know more than i do`
`14:09.37`	`abrotman`	`i do?`
`14:09.49`	`abrotman`	`reconfigure X .. pick more than one resolution .. use xrandr to change resolutions`
`14:10.14`	`stew`	`liable: the x specific version of section 5`
`14:10.21`	`man_in_ltop`	`addgroup nogroup`
`14:10.21`	`man_in_ltop`	addgroup: The group `nogroup' already exists.
`14:10.23`	`stew`	`lunitik: ^^`
`14:10.23`	`man_in_ltop`	`yay`
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`14:10.45`	`man_in_ltop`	`bts shows nothing`
`14:10.57`	`lunitik`	`stew: ahh, makes sense, I could have guessed that probably`
`14:10.57`	`man_in_ltop`	`at least nothing relavent on openssh-server`
`14:11.59`	`stew`	`lunitik: for some reason x is "special"`
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`14:12.39`	`stew`	`its too bad that indiviudal bug reports dont get google indexed`
`14:12.52`	`lunitik`	`stew: yes!`
`14:12.52`	`stew`	`i assume there is some reasoning behind that though`
`14:12.59`	`junix\|work`	`ok i just did a apt-get upgrade, and i have lost all functionality of my right mouse button in fluxbox`
`14:13.04`	`junix\|work`	`can someone help`
`14:13.18`	`lunitik`	`stew: like the recent GTK issues... I have no idea what package etc thats filed on... but I know its filed someplace :(`
`14:13.36`	`stew`	`ahh ok site:bugsdonarmstrong.com is indexed`
`14:14.06`	`stew`	`s/bugs/bugs./`
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`14:14.24`	`nekromaan`	`stew: thx! touchpad is working now :)`
`14:14.51`	`man_in_ltop`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290623 << not my problem, but somehow related`
`14:15.36`	`lunitik`	`stew: never heard of that site before... would make searching easier if its indexed though...`
`14:16.02`	`lunitik`	`stew: thanks for the pointer`
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`14:18.12`	`azeem`	`W9`
`14:18.15`	`azeem`	`blah.`
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`14:25.31`	`lunitik`	`!talk`
`14:25.32`	`dpkg_`	`methinks talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand.`
`14:25.36`	`lunitik`	`ahhh`
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`14:27.07`	`lunitik`	`nvidia`
`14:27.13`	`lunitik`	`!nvidia`
`14:27.13`	`dpkg_`	`DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists`
`14:28.05`	`dabreegster`	`lunitik: Are you identified to nickserv?`
`14:28.35`	`lunitik`	`dabreegster: yup`
`14:28.54`	`amee2k`	`is there a linux comatibility list for DVB-S cards/chipsets somewhere?`
`14:29.04`	`sussudio`	`google?`
`14:29.11`	`amee2k`	`yeah`
`14:29.19`	`amee2k`	`but not much luck so far`
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`14:29.33`	`amee2k`	`linux compat DVB-S cards are pretty rare`
`14:29.34`	`broadcast`	`package for radio streaming in terminal?`
`14:29.36`	`du`	`can anyone help me with samba?`
`14:29.55`	`lunitik`	`du: perhaps with specific issues...`
`14:30.01`	`lunitik`	`du: there is also #samba`
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`14:30.14`	`sussudio`	`broadcast: you mean like icecast?`
`14:30.23`	`sussudio`	`!tell broadcast about search`
`14:30.24`	`du`	`lunitik, i try firt asking here, then i migrate tj #samba,thx!`
`14:30.36`	`broadcast`	`:) sussudio i go to see icecast`
`14:31.00`	`du`	`i installed and configured samba but when i go in network location with nautilus, it can't see any client`
`14:31.21`	`junix\|work`	`ok i just did a apt-get upgrade, and i have lost all functionality of my right mouse button in fluxbox`
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`14:33.02`	`du`	`lunitik, have you any idea for my issue?`
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`14:33.39`	`ath1`	`amee2k: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-S`
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`14:34.02`	`lunitik`	`du: you install smbclient?`
`14:34.03`	`liable`	`lunitik: dpkg_ isnt registered, so it cant /msg back`
`14:34.09`	`du`	`yes`
`14:34.38`	`du`	`lunitik, i installed sambaand configured smb.conf`
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`14:35.17`	`lunitik`	`du: smbclient wouldn't be brought in if you typed "apt-get install samba"`
`14:35.34`	`lunitik`	`du: 'samba' is the server parts`
`14:35.36`	`du`	`i thought that it was in dependencies`
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`14:35.39`	`amee2k`	`ath1: sounds good, will read. ty :)`
`14:35.41`	`lunitik`	`du: no`
`14:36.21`	`Detox`	`hey folks ,,, I ahve a PII 400 with 128 ram,,, what do ya think of putting debian on it and then xfec or fluxbox?`
`14:36.30`	`five0`	`is it possible to mount ufs rw from within linux?`
`14:36.55`	`lunitik`	`Detox: todays project...`
`14:36.57`	`Detox`	`this is for a person w ho has known only win95 and would like to show them how nice linux is`
`14:37.04`	`ath1`	`I'm no debian user but I'd like to know if debian has something similar to yast on suse?`
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`14:37.25`	`du`	`lunitik, i installed smbclient but i still can't see windows client`
`14:37.27`	`lunitik`	`ath1: no... although there is work to port nyast`
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`14:37.47`	`ath1`	`Especially if there are tools to configure services like samba, nfs, nis, ...`
`14:37.52`	`lunitik`	`du: no idea then... I don't use Gnome :/`
`14:38.01`	`lunitik`	`ath1: no`
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`14:38.20`	`ath1`	`ok thanks`
`14:38.39`	`liable`	`erm, theres swat for sambe, dunno about nfs`
`14:38.51`	`liable`	`i thought yast was just a package manager?`
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`14:39.10`	`lunitik`	`liable: no... it has a bunch of modules for pretty much everything under the sun`
`14:39.32`	`ath1`	`liable: not it's Yet Another Setup Tool. You can do various setup task with it.`
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`14:40.07`	`lunitik`	`liable: its like debconf... only more general ...`
`14:40.09`	`liable`	`ath1: ah, no, debian has vim :)`
`14:40.14`	`Detox`	`this is for a person w ho has known only win95 and would like to show them how nice linux is???`
`14:40.19`	`lunitik`	`liable: and a lot more annoying`
`14:40.28`	`Detox`	`hey folks ,,, I ahve a PII 400 with 128 ram,,, what do ya think of putting debian on it and then xfec or fluxbox?`
`14:40.49`	`cydork`	`Detox: fluxbox!!`
`14:40.58`	`lunitik`	`liable: for instance, yast will overwrite things you change manually via CLI ... you _have_ to do everything via yast on SUSE systems if you want it to actually do it...`
`14:41.04`	`liable`	`Detox: go for it. read the install guide, it gives minimum hardware specs`
`14:41.13`	`cydork`	`Detox: Debian goes without saying :)`
`14:41.13`	`enouf`	`Detox: suggest some nice LiveCds to get feet wet -- learn some commands and navigation -- but nothing beats a HDD install for tsting / learning -- Debian is perfect for that box...you'll have many questions though`
`14:42.04`	`ath1`	`liable: I used vim when I had my own debian installation. But all that typing and manual reading got on my nerves :)`
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`14:42.27`	`lunitik`	`YaST is perfect for lazy admin's`
`14:42.40`	`liable`	`ath1: you get used to it, and its much more sane when you finally get comfortable with it. :)`
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`14:43.07`	`ath1`	`lunitik: full ack ;)`
`14:43.26`	`lunitik`	`YaST lets you have no idea what you're doing, and still get things working :/`
`14:43.29`	`liable`	`ath1: debian has very little helper shits for config, but its a blessing in disguise`
`14:43.48`	`liable`	`lunitik: sounds like ubuntu`
`14:44.06`	`lunitik`	`liable: same target audience`
`14:44.26`	`lunitik`	`liable: Ubuntu at least makes you know what you're doing if you're doing anything complicated though`
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`14:46.32`	`ath1`	`liable: sometimes, you want the job done asap, and you dont want it to last for hours. That's one readon I dumped debian.`
`14:46.41`	`liable`	`lunitik: i disagree after seeing some questions from ubuntu people converting to debian :P`
`14:46.59`	`lunitik`	`ath1: I can get things configured faster via config files`
`14:47.02`	`liable`	`ath1: thats cool.`
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`14:47.32`	`lunitik`	`liable: no, I mean, they have to know what they're doing if they want to install bind, or apache or something...`
`14:47.32`	`Detox`	`i have put zenwalk on it ,, but would rather put debian`
`14:47.48`	`Detox`	`that way I can customize it`
`14:47.55`	`ath1`	`although you can defenitly learn more if you do it manually`
`14:47.59`	`liable`	`ath1: on the other hand, sometimes actually struggling for hours helps you next time that you really need to know what the hell is going on :)`
`14:48.05`	`Detox`	`and the final rub is this ,,, he only has dial-up`
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`14:48.44`	`liable`	`lunitik: whats so hard about installing apache?`
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`14:49.19`	`ath1`	`liable: true, and yast can be a bitch too, if it doesn't do want you want`
`14:49.21`	`liable`	`lunitik: i was absolutely shocked how easy it was the first time i installed it :)`
`14:49.27`	`lunitik`	`liable: it doesn't hold your hand through setting up sites etc...`
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`14:50.02`	`liable`	`lunitik: oh, yast sets up sites for you?`
`14:50.26`	`lunitik`	`liable: yes`
`14:50.31`	`du`	`anyone here uses gnome and sambA?`
`14:50.55`	`liable`	`!anyone use gnome and sambA?`
`14:50.55`	`dpkg_`	`No, no one uses gnome and sambA, not even the people who use it.`
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`14:52.15`	`lunitik`	`Gnome is supposed to have "Just Works (tm)" as a goal :/`
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`14:53.19`	`fasta`	`stew: that website is down now.`
`14:56.00`	`miffle`	`justin installed testing from one of the daily builds of netinst. However my package list has a lot missing. My sources list looks OK though. Any ideas where to start?`
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`14:56.37`	`abrotman`	`du: which version of debian ?`
`14:56.45`	`du`	`debian sid`
`14:56.51`	`du`	`abrotman, debian sid`
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`14:57.39`	`du`	`abrotman, i can't see client or server with nautilus`
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`15:00.07`	`sin`	`what package provides /usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4 ? I have sendmail-cf installed but this file is not there`
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`15:01.48`	`fasta`	`In bash: which edit returns /usr/bin/edit, but edit executes something else? How's that possible?`
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`15:02.28`	`sin`	`fasta it's a symbolic link to another program`
`15:02.33`	`miffle`	`fasta: /usr/bin/edit may be an alias? ls -l /usr/bin/edit`
`15:02.34`	`stew`	`fasta: readlink -f $(which edit)`
`15:02.39`	`abrotman`	`du: try asking #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org`
`15:02.47`	`miffle`	`or like stew said`
`15:02.49`	`sin`	`often programs do this and look at how they are called to determine thier functionality`
`15:02.53`	`abrotman`	`!abuse ldap`
`15:03.04`	`du`	`abrotman, thx`
`15:03.08`	`FUF`	`sin: dpkg -S /usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4`
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`15:03.43`	`sin`	`FUF: dpkg: /usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4 not found.`
`15:03.54`	`abrotman`	`might be generated`
`15:04.18`	`sin`	`ah nvm`
`15:04.29`	`fasta`	`It links to run-mailcap, but when I run edit in Bash, Emacs starts.`
`15:04.35`	`FUF`	`sin: yes, might be generated after the install. although im running testing with sendmail,sendmail-base,sendmail-bin,sendmail-cf all installed and i dont have a/ usr/share/sendmail-cf`
`15:04.37`	`sin`	`i think its my fault the sendmail.mc file might have a mad configuration directive in it`
`15:04.40`	`FUF`	`so.. shrug`
`15:04.42`	`stew`	`fasta: are you running edit or editor?`
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`15:04.43`	`fasta`	`I sourced emacs.bash`
`15:04.44`	`FUF`	`ah :)`
`15:04.51`	`fasta`	`stew: edit`
`15:05.12`	`fasta`	`stew: emacs.bash is a perl script distributed with emacs.`
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`15:05.23`	`stew`	`fasta: ahh edit probably runs sensible-editor, which checks the EDITOR variable and runs /usr/bin/editor if it is unset`
`15:05.43`	`fasta`	`stew: shell builtin?`
`15:05.51`	`stew`	`fasta: which? no.`
`15:05.57`	`fasta`	`stew: I mean edit`
`15:06.43`	`Maulkin`	`"Although emacs is an awesomely powerful OS, it lacks a good text editor"`
`15:07.02`	`fasta`	`stew: nm, you think it just setups an alias?`
`15:07.03`	`stew`	`fasta: in any case, if you want to change what edit does, change the EDITOR env variable to set it for one users or "update-alternatives --config editor" to set it systemwide`
`15:07.23`	`fasta`	`stew: I want edit to run emacs.`
`15:07.43`	`stew`	`fasta: no, i don't think its an alias. i think its running sensible editor which runs editor which is managed by alternatives man update-alternatives`
`15:07.50`	`fasta`	`stew: the problem is that I want to call edit when I click on a menu item in Gnome.`
`15:08.20`	`stew`	`Maulkin: bah, its a great text editor (once it is finally started up)`
`15:08.34`	`fasta`	stew: yes, you said that, but I always believed that `which foo`<RET> should do the same as foo.
`15:08.34`	`stew`	`i need to look into getting mtty-emacs working`
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`15:09.02`	`fasta`	`stew: but as it is now, Gnome calls the /usr/bin/edit script.`
`15:09.11`	`wfq`	`what do you think this graphic is saying: http://hotsanic.sourceforge.net/example/system/load.html`
`15:09.33`	`Maulkin`	`http://www.bemroses.net/images/curves.jpg`
`15:09.38`	`Maulkin`	`stew: ^^`
`15:09.54`	`fasta`	`stew: I want it to call the edit script which calls emacs.`
`15:09.58`	`stew`	`Maulkin: yeah, i've seen that, its great`
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`15:10.50`	`Maulkin`	`I may have to pop it on planet`
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`15:11.48`	`stew`	`i would put another eventual plateau or two on vi, seems like you learn how to hit escape, then you learn how to do some basic stuff then you learn how to write macros, or something`
`15:12.23`	`stew`	`fasta: can you configure gnome to call sensible-editor instead then? I don't know much about gnome`
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`15:13.08`	`hjubal`	`bye`
`15:13.30`	`fasta`	stew: if you could explain to me why the correspondence `which foo`==foo cannot hold sometimes, I could probably help myself. But now, I just don't understand the system.
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`15:14.22`	`fasta`	`stew: I know it doesn't hold for shell builtins, but you said edit is not a builtin. So, I am confused.`
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`15:14.40`	`lhz`	`Recognice this: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_GlyphSlot_Embolden`
`15:15.35`	`stew`	fasta: i'm not sure what you mean by `which foo`==foo. what you are seeing here is that "edit" really runs the command run-mailcap (becuase it is a symlink, ls -l $(which edit)). when run-mailcap is run, it chacks what the name of the command you used to call it with, in this case it would be /usr/bin/edit, and it says, "ahh, he wants to edit..., read /etc/mailcap and figure out what editor to use"
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`15:16.30`	`fasta`	`stew: oh, right, and gnome thus calls it in some other way.`
`15:16.52`	`fasta`	`stew: it's the C variable that gives the name of the program it was called with.`
`15:16.58`	`fasta`	`stew: ok, makes sense. Thanks.`
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`15:17.25`	`stew`	`fasta: right, it's checking argv[0]`
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`15:19.02`	`MarGarina`	`mmmm... my oss emulation (/dev/dsp) makes every sound very high-pitched.. anybody knows this problem?`
`15:19.47`	`shay`	`MarGarina, try to play with alsamixer`
`15:19.58`	`shay`	`MarGarina, specially the PCM recording volume`
`15:21.05`	`dabreegster`	`Hrmm, dpkg isn't responding to /msg's from identified users. Can I use a trigger here?`
`15:21.06`	`MarGarina`	`shay: already done, doesn't help..`
`15:22.02`	`shay`	`MarGarina, could be that you connected the wrong output to the speakers?`
`15:22.14`	`MarGarina`	`Same things works perfect with alsa..`
`15:22.23`	`MarGarina`	`only that skype doesn't support alsa yet..`
`15:22.39`	`MarGarina`	`so it uses oss emulation. My gf sounds like a mouse with this high pitch :)`
`15:23.07`	`shay`	`yeah, I know what you mean, I managed to fix it playing with the volumes in alsamixer`
`15:23.20`	`shay`	`maybe using an OSS mixer? (like aumix, for example)`
`15:24.12`	`fasta`	`stew: Is there any way to set that variable explicitly (also when started from e.g. a shell script)?`
`15:24.18`	`shay`	`MarGarina, can it be possible that the problem is in the remote machine? what if you use another application with /dev/dsp?`
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`15:27.41`	`MarGarina`	`shay: I tried 3 different apps (xmms, skype, flash player)`
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`15:28.22`	`shay`	`MarGarina, nothing comes to mind then.. tryed aumix?`
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`15:29.28`	`roxy_`	`how can I sign mail using KMail ?`
`15:30.16`	`roxy_`	`dabreegster: it seems dpkg is sleeping atm`
`15:30.35`	`roxy_`	`!kernel`
`15:30.37`	`dpkg_`	`Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.7, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc3-git4, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-rc3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc2-mm1`
`15:31.14`	`dabreegster`	`roxy_: It's fine, I figured it out`
`15:31.27`	`roxy_`	`dabreegster: how ? I can't /msg dpkg`
`15:31.42`	`Ronin`	`roxy_: register with nickserv`
`15:31.53`	`Ronin`	`doh never mind :)`
`15:32.04`	`dabreegster`	`roxy_: I figured out the commands I needed without asking dpkg`
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`15:32.48`	`dabreegster`	`Incidentally, there wouldn't happen to be a safe way to shrink an existing ext3 partition to create a swap partition, would there?`
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`15:35.00`	`Sid`	`Pavel_K: :-* :D`
`15:35.21`	`fasta`	`dabreegster: I think there is.`
`15:35.24`	`ath1`	`dabreegster: gnu parted?`
`15:35.25`	`anapivirtua`	`Nighty.`
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`15:35.42`	`dabreegster`	`ath1: I'll look into it`
`15:35.45`	`stew`	`fasta: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/DotFiles`
`15:35.48`	`dabreegster`	`fasta: OK.`
`15:35.53`	`fasta`	`dabreegster: I did it on my LVM system`
`15:36.20`	`dabreegster`	`fasta: I'm not using volume management right now.`
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`15:36.23`	`fasta`	`dabreegster: You resize FS, then you resize the partition.`
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`15:36.32`	`stew`	`fasta: taht is assuming that eventually sensible-editor is being used (if its not, a bug should possibly be filed)`
`15:36.36`	`miffle`	`does xorg have an equivalent of xsetup?`
`15:37.15`	`fasta`	`I wish I could copy from console buffer to X...`
`15:37.46`	`Sid`	`Pavel_K: TheBurn wants make for "ztraceny tux"`
`15:37.55`	`fasta`	`stew: sensible-editor doesn't do anything here.`
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`15:38.23`	`stew`	`fasta: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/sensible-editor" say?`
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`15:40.19`	`dabreegster`	`Does anybody have any horror stories involving GNU Parted?`
`15:40.20`	`dogmeat`	`folks, is SCSI RAID 0 configurations for multiple drives seen as a single logical, aggregated volume?`
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`15:41.01`	`fasta`	`stew: /usr/bin/sensible-editor`
`15:41.57`	`abrotman`	`dogmeat: if it's a real raid controller ... nevermind that RAID0 isn't really raid`
`15:42.16`	`stew`	`fasta: oh, duh, right. it should launch /usr/bin/editor if EDITOR is unset, so "readlink -f /usr/bin/editor"`
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`15:43.20`	`Mirrage`	`good afternoon`
`15:43.29`	`roxy_`	`where is $EDITOR set ?`
`15:43.41`	`fasta`	`stew: /usr/bin/joe`
`15:43.42`	`dogmeat`	`abrotman: would you ever use a RAID 0 configuration? my hosting company is giving me grief about requesting a RAID 0 configuration for 5 large SCSI disks`
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`15:44.41`	`Mirrage`	`Listen, I would like to ask you a question. This is how it goes. Which is the next step on the boot process after the "freeing unused kernel memory" message?The reason I am asking is that I am stuck on that point after a fresh installation.`
`15:45.11`	`stew`	`Mirrage: this is sarge or etch?`
`15:45.17`	`sussudio`	`Mirrage: you compiled for the wrong cpu.`
`15:45.23`	`Mirrage`	`stew, hello. it is sarge.`
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`15:45.45`	`Mirrage`	`No, I haven't compiled. I went throught the "basic" installation process.`
`15:45.49`	`dn4`	`CAn anyone send me a laptop with a working line in?`
`15:45.57`	`Mirrage`	`The debian installer detected my cpu platform correctly. Its an amd64`
`15:46.04`	`sussudio`	`dn4: go away`
`15:46.05`	`dn4`	`I kinda have to have a laptop this next wen.`
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`15:47.19`	`fasta`	`stew: when I execute editor I get joe, but I don't really see what that has to do with edit.`
`15:47.40`	`Mirrage`	`I tried picking a different kernel as well. I picked the amd64-generic instead of amd64-k8. no luck. I would like to know what does that message means and if is there a typical troubleshooting process for being stuck at that point. If you could help me understand I think I would be able of figuring out how to fix it by myself and not bother you guys.`
`15:47.43`	`jetscreamer`	`man update-alternatives`
`15:47.48`	`jetscreamer`	`fasta`
`15:48.18`	`stew`	`fasta: i'm saying edit should be looking at /etc/mailcap, which should run sensible-editor as a default for stuff like text/plain`
`15:48.38`	`stew`	`fasta: i dont' know if this is the way things are set, i'm saying that imho that's the way they shoudl be`
`15:48.39`	`Mirrage`	`sussudio, hi. I havent compile, actually. It was debian's installer that retrieved the kernel.`
`15:49.02`	`stew`	`Mirrage: which bootloader are you using? grub or lilo?`
`15:49.32`	`Pavel_K`	`Sid ..> :D`
`15:49.39`	`dserban`	`Err. Don't flame me, but I had to use the ubuntu livecd to try and fix my problems on my amd64 box. I've changed over my bootdisk from ext3 to jfs.. usually works fine, but ... udev seems to be causing me a few issues (I run sid)... anyway, on boot it complains that it doesn't understand the filesystem devfs and panics... does anyone know what would be causing this? do I need to re-make my initrd? (I've tried including the devfs module in t`
`15:49.56`	`dabreegster`	`Just to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong, the following command will free 256MB from /home in GNU parted shell? (3 is my /home): resize 3 -256MB -1MB`
`15:50.28`	`Mirrage`	`stew, good question. I thought it could be a bootloader issue because I am booting from a lilo installed for i386. I had it previously installed on my MBR due a slackware installation I had already.`
`15:50.44`	`Mirrage`	`stew, could it be that my lilo passes parameters for i386?`
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`15:51.32`	`Mirrage`	`stew, if so, I would basically have to install a grub/lilo version on my debian root partition and call it from a chain, right?`
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`15:53.06`	`Mirrage`	`stew, what is curious is that theoretically speaking, all stages that concerned my boot loader are gone at that point. the kernel image was already loaded at that point. however, I understand that there are parameters passes to the kernel by the boat loader.`
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`15:53.25`	`dserban`	`I'm stuck, I'd appreciate some help if possible... I'm gonna go google, since I haven't yet ;)`
`15:53.39`	`fasta`	`jetscreamer: update-alternatives seems to do work only as root (as it writes to /etc/..)`
`15:54.06`	`dabreegster`	`parted's resize command won't do anything if that part of the filesystem is occupied, right?`
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`15:54.43`	`stew`	`Mirrage: i don't think it has anything to do with kernel parameters`
`15:54.52`	`ath1`	`dabreegster: parted also resizes the filesystem in the partition, so it moves the files`
`15:54.53`	`Mirrage`	`dserban, you could tell the boot loader to talk to your kernel and tell it not to generate a devfs, I guess.`
`15:55.02`	`dabreegster`	`ath1: OK`
`15:55.18`	`ath1`	`dabreegster: you already unmount the partition?`
`15:55.24`	`GoAuLd`	`does exist visual chart or metastock for linux or equivalents ?`
`15:55.34`	`dabreegster`	`ath1: I'm trying to figure out what's still using /home. Probably irssi. Time for lsof`
`15:55.46`	`Mirrage`	`stew, well, if not...it must not be the boot loader because the kernel image is loaded at that point, hence the 2 or 3 stages are done at that point(two stages on my case).`
`15:55.55`	`dabreegster`	`Hrmm, many things. Single user mode. Here goes. Any last advice?`
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`15:56.59`	`dserban`	`Mirrage: well, do you know what the parameter for the kernel would be to skip devfs?`
`15:57.01`	`fasta`	`dabreegster: don't do it, before you know what you are doing?`
`15:57.29`	`ath1`	`dabreegster: backup the most important data :)`
`15:57.31`	`dabreegster`	`fasta: resize 3 -256MB -1MB in the parted shell should free 256MB from /home? (3 is my /home)`
`15:57.40`	`dabreegster`	`ath1: Already done.`
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`15:57.54`	`Mirrage`	`dserban, well, it would help you anyways because you would eventually like to have your devfs back , so its better booting your live cd and fixing things up. isnt it?`
`15:57.57`	`fasta`	`dabreegster: I forget commands I use once a few years.`
`15:58.07`	`dabreegster`	`I'm guessing the best place to get space is the end of the partition.`
`15:58.20`	`dserban`	`Ok, it seems to be caused by /dev/console missing, how can I create this device?`
`15:58.26`	`dabreegster`	`Well, here goes. Thanks.`
`15:59.07`	`dserban`	`Mirrage: Hmm, I don't understand your response. devfs != udev, I booted with the livecd to fix the errors, that's why I'm here =)`
`15:59.41`	`Mirrage`	`dserban, you said you had devfs error message.`
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`16:00.36`	`Mirrage`	`dserban, sorry, I must had misunderstood your question. I am having a hardtime myself trying to figure out my own problem. Good luckl, thou :)`
`16:00.52`	`Mirrage`	`guys`
`16:01.00`	`Mirrage`	`my problem must be usual`
`16:01.00`	`kpfleming`	`anyone aware of an amd64 sid mirror that isn't busted like the main ones are right now?`
`16:01.03`	`mrrcparish`	`question. How do i limit bg processes per users? and what shell on debian let you ftp in but nothing else . like on redhat i would use /sbin/nologin and they couldnt ssh in but they could ftp`
`16:01.06`	`Mirrage`	`can anyone help me, please?`
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`16:02.46`	`dserban`	`Ok let me rephrase my question... how do I just copy over what's in /dev/.static/dev/* to /dev temporarily? my /dev/ is currently empty except for /dev/.static.. (seems in the copy of the drives I overlooked the dev directory :( )`
`16:02.49`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, I believe there is a limits configuration file at /etc. there is /bin/false , I suppose. that would let users verify their mails use ftp but not login to the system throught a virtual console or a real console.`
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`16:04.16`	`Mirrage`	`Excuse me. What is the boot process doing during the "freeing unused kernel memory" message, please ?`
`16:04.19`	`GTX`	`Hello, I have setup a Counter Strike Source Server on Debian 3.1 Kernel (2.4.27-2-686-smp), It's only getting 50 FPS and cannot go over, I know this is down to the kernel its using, does anyone know which one doesn't have such a limit?`
`16:05.01`	`M0E-lnx`	`Hey, If I dload the debian iso from debian.org... how many do I need to download... there is like 13 listed...`
`16:05.03`	`Mirrage`	`GTX, 50FPS while playing?`
`16:05.24`	`GTX`	`Mirrage, no server is getting 50 FPS`
`16:05.35`	`GTX`	`It's down to the Kernel Timer or something?`
`16:05.50`	`Mirrage`	`fps = frames per second, no?`
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`16:06.52`	`GTX`	`Mirrage, http://whisper.ausgamers.com/wiki/index.php/Tickrate`
`16:06.53`	`GTX`	`It's to do with that`
`16:06.55`	`Mirrage`	`GTX, if you're not playing outputing throught a video graphics adaptar that has a driver provided by your kernel, what would the kernel has to do with it?`
`16:07.09`	`GTX`	`It's the Tickrate sorry`
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`16:08.05`	`mikefoo`	`Anything that will tell me iostat information on a per processes level? Trying to narrow down what process is doing high i/o`
`16:08.10`	`Mirrage`	`GTX, did you tune everything from the application view point?`
`16:08.27`	`GTX`	`I don't understand what you mean Mirrage`
`16:09.16`	`Mirrage`	`GTX, there are many application(the cs server itself) configurations that would influence your performance. did you configure then properly?`
`16:09.26`	`GTX`	`Yes it's a kernel limit`
`16:09.30`	`GTX`	`Not the CSS Server`
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`16:10.22`	`Mirrage`	`GTX, well, if I had to take a guess, I would say that it could be that your kernel is running without RTC timer compiled.`
`16:10.46`	`Mirrage`	`oh`
`16:10.55`	`Mirrage`	`that page recommends you changing the kernel internal clock`
`16:11.00`	`GTX`	`Indeed...`
`16:11.09`	`Mirrage`	`I think you could do that as if were an environment variable and test`
`16:11.13`	`GTX`	`I know there's a pre-complied kernel in the debian package system`
`16:11.23`	`GTX`	`which is already tweaked for that`
`16:11.25`	`GTX`	`but dont know which one`
`16:11.51`	`roxy_`	`how can I set my signing key in kmail->Identities -> Cryptography ?`
`16:11.53`	`roxy_`	`when I tried change it says: No backends found for listing keys. Check your installation.`
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`16:11.58`	`Mirrage`	`you are probably capable of changing your kernel hz as if it were an environment variable or throught sysctl!`
`16:12.08`	`roxy_`	`I got the gnupg package and did gpg --gen-key previously`
`16:12.09`	`mrrcparish`	`Mirrage, so?`
`16:12.12`	`mrrcparish`	`in /etc`
`16:12.37`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, well, I know that the limits file lets you set things like cpu time for each user`
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`16:13.02`	`mrrcparish`	`whats it called`
`16:13.08`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, I dont actually know it lets you limit the number of bg processes. let me help you. it seems interesting.`
`16:13.22`	`GTX`	`Mirrage, how?`
`16:13.36`	`mrrcparish`	`/bin/false will let users still ftp`
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`16:14.12`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, yes, it will.`
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`16:14.40`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, ok, there we are . /etc/security/limits.conf`
`16:15.03`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, there is the nproc domain`
`16:15.15`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, you should set it to 1 or to whatever you want.`
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`16:15.31`	`mikefoo`	`Anyone know off hand where I can get details on /proc/$pid ? trying to see what info I can gather from there..`
`16:15.32`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, it means: number of concurrent processes`
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`16:16.53`	`mrrcparish`	`user hard nproc 1`
`16:17.02`	`mrrcparish`	`would make user account have 1 bg proc`
`16:17.05`	`Mirrage`	`mikefoo, did you change into the directory and did cat over each file?they are informative`
`16:17.06`	`mrrcparish`	`correct?`
`16:17.11`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, correct!`
`16:17.12`	`mrrcparish`	`looks sweet`
`16:17.18`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, yes, I know.`
`16:17.30`	`mrrcparish`	`anything i would need to restart`
`16:17.35`	`mrrcparish`	`for it to go into effect`
`16:18.09`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, in matter of fact. I think you should because those changes might take effect next time the user runs the login instance, I guess.`
`16:18.40`	`mrrcparish`	`so i need to restart?`
`16:18.45`	`mrrcparish`	`hmm`
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`16:19.27`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, probably. I don't know. Lol, I solved your problem, isnt that enough?`
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`16:19.59`	`mrrcparish`	`sure`
`16:20.05`	`mrrcparish`	`except 1 think`
`16:20.13`	`mrrcparish`	`/bin/false doesnt work`
`16:20.15`	`Mirrage`	`which thing is it?`
`16:20.17`	`Mirrage`	`yeah`
`16:20.24`	`Mirrage`	`because it's /usr/bin/false`
`16:20.27`	`mrrcparish`	`bah`
`16:20.34`	`mrrcparish`	`thx let me try`
`16:21.00`	`Mirrage`	`ok`
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`16:22.12`	`mrrcparish`	`no worky`
`16:22.44`	`Mirrage`	`then you don't have that file and you have something else related to your distribuition`
`16:23.12`	`Mirrage`	`where are you configurating your user's default shell?`
`16:23.25`	`mrrcparish`	`/bin/bash`
`16:23.31`	`Mirrage`	`no, dude.`
`16:23.38`	`Mirrage`	`which file are you editing ?`
`16:23.45`	`Mirrage`	`directly editing /etc/passwd?`
`16:23.52`	`Mirrage`	`/etc/shadow?`
`16:23.58`	`fireba11`	`!test`
`16:23.58`	`dpkg_`	`Yes, fireba11, you're still online.`
`16:24.02`	`Mirrage`	`using usermod?`
`16:24.06`	`mrrcparish`	`passwd`
`16:24.19`	`mrrcparish`	`./etc/passwd`
`16:24.29`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, try running usermod`
`16:25.03`	`mrrcparish`	`with?`
`16:25.33`	`fireba11`	`what's the recommended way to upgrade from sarge to etch ?`
`16:26.15`	`stew`	`mrrcparish: man chsh`
`16:26.21`	`stew`	`fireba11: /msg dpkg_ sarge->etch`
`16:26.43`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, well, I think it won't do any different. let's look for your nologin false file. try which nologin and which false`
`16:27.09`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, it would be probably, just out of curiosity, usermod -s /bin/false "username"`
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`16:27.28`	`mrrcparish`	`yes but i did that in /etc/pass and it didnt work`
`16:27.34`	`Mirrage`	`stew, help me out me. I am on a personal project.`
`16:27.35`	`mrrcparish`	`wd`
`16:27.43`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, yeah?what happened?`
`16:27.47`	`fireba11`	`!sarge->etch`
`16:27.48`	`mrrcparish`	`nothing`
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`16:27.56`	`mrrcparish`	`wont let me login with ftp`
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`16:28.10`	`fireba11`	`stew i can't get dpkg to send me a private message .. ^^`
`16:28.14`	`stew`	`mrrcparish: which ftp server`
`16:28.16`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, is the user placed on the ftp group?`
`16:28.18`	`david__`	`here is the question --- how do you set up exim4?`
`16:28.19`	`stew`	`fireba11: /msg aptitude sarge->etch`
`16:28.21`	`mrrcparish`	`proftp`
`16:28.30`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, it looks like a daemon configuration`
`16:28.43`	`mrrcparish`	`so /bin/false should work`
`16:28.46`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, the instructions I gave you were correct as far as I know.`
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`16:29.14`	`stew`	`mrrcparish: there is an option to proftp like "RequireLoginShell" or something`
`16:29.15`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, you want to stop users login in.`
`16:29.42`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, that will stop then login in, but they will still be able to check their e-mails and so on.`
`16:29.47`	`stew`	`mrrcparish: or maybe: "RequireValidShell" you need to set that to No or False or something if you have /bin/false as the user's shell`
`16:29.50`	`Mirrage`	`stew, can you help me, please?`
`16:30.00`	`stew`	`Mirrage: with your problem booting?`
`16:30.05`	`Mirrage`	`stew, yes, please`
`16:30.15`	`stew`	`Mirrage: which kernel version are you trying to boot?`
`16:30.44`	`Mirrage`	`stew, the one that came with the debian sarge 3.1 DVD set. I think it would be 2.6 or 2.6.8`
`16:31.02`	`stew`	`Mirrage: you might try a d-i with a newer kernel: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16`
`16:31.27`	`stew`	`Mirrage: or you might try rebuilding your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k8-...."`
`16:31.41`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I don't have an installed system.`
`16:31.53`	`stew`	`Mirrage: what are you trying to boot then?`
`16:32.04`	`Mirrage`	`stew, from my fresh installation`
`16:32.16`	`stew`	`Mirrage: that is not an installed system?`
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`16:32.17`	`Mirrage`	`stew, ok, I have an installed system, then.`
`16:32.34`	`Mirrage`	`stew, wouldn't it be wiser if you tell me which is the problem?`
`16:32.40`	`fireba11`	`stew somehow i wasn't identified .. thus no private message .. lol`
`16:32.50`	`mrrcparish`	`hmm`
`16:32.58`	`stew`	`fireba11: dpkg_ is probably not identified as dpkg_`
`16:33.21`	`stew`	`Mirrage: i don't know what the problem is, but it sounds like a problem with your initrd.`
`16:33.23`	`fireba11`	`stew: no I wasn't identified and thus not allowed to send private messages`
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`16:33.48`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I dont have an initrd. ram disk?`
`16:34.03`	`Mirrage`	`stew, do you mean the init process?`
`16:34.47`	`stew`	`Mirrage: if you installed sarge and are trying to use the default kernel, you have an initrd. if your bootloader doesn't know about it that could be your problem`
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`16:34.49`	`david__`	`How do you set up exim4 --- i can seem to find the configuration script or for that fact a configuration file`
`16:34.49`	`Mirrage`	`stew, isn't initrd=initial ram disk? I didnt create a ramdisk.`
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`16:35.09`	`stew`	`Mirrage: the installer would have created one. in this case its an initial root disk but yeah same concept`
`16:35.28`	`mrrcparish`	`ok stew`
`16:35.29`	`mrrcparish`	`RequireValidShell off`
`16:35.32`	`mrrcparish`	`that works`
`16:35.35`	`mrrcparish`	`thanks alot guys`
`16:35.41`	`Mirrage`	`stew, oh. that is something new to me. I thought it would have only the kernel and the system-map.`
`16:35.53`	`mrrcparish`	`Mirrage, yes that worked with /bin/false as well`
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`16:36.11`	`Mirrage`	`mrrcparish, lol, right. :) see, cool`
`16:36.24`	`mrrcparish`	`thanks`
`16:36.43`	`stew`	`Mirrage: the stock knerel comes with all the filesystem drivers and HD controller drivers built as modules to work on the widest variety of hardware, and therefor it needs an initrd`
`16:37.11`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I didn't do anything custom. why wouldn't the system locate it?I think I am gonna install the boot loader on debian's partition and call that by a chain.`
`16:37.30`	`mrrcparish`	`sweet`
`16:37.36`	`Mirrage`	`stew, the bootloader installed from debian installer must to work(locate the initrd).`
`16:38.02`	`liran_`	`no matter what resolution i use with splashy (vga=791/792/788/785/768 etc) once xwindows is up and i try to get to console using ctrl+alt+f1 im seeing the console distorted... any ideas why is that?`
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`16:38.10`	`stew`	`Mirrage: it wouldnt' be suprising to know that the kernel from 1.5 years ago doesn't work with newer hardware`
`16:38.22`	`stew`	`Mirrage: which is why i was suggesting you use the installer with the newer kernel`
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`16:39.15`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I didnt understand the "therefore" thou. precisely because it's a big kernel that loads everything, probably with lots of builtin drivers and all, it wouldn't need the initial ram disk.`
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`16:40.05`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I see. how would I install the newest kernel if I wouldn't have the basic tools for compiling it? throught debian's dpkg?`
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`16:40.29`	`Mirrage`	`stew, booting from the installation dvd and asking for an holographic shell?`
`16:40.35`	`stew`	`Mirrage: you can't load the modules off the root disk partition until you mount the root partition. since all of the HD controller drivers and all of the filesytem drivers are built as modules and live in /lib/modules, you need to put them into an initrd so that you can mount the root partition`
`16:40.42`	`stew`	`Mirrage: /msg aptitude sarge 2.6.16`
`16:40.55`	`stew`	`Mirrage: what is a holographic shell?`
`16:41.07`	`Mirrage`	`stew, oh, that makes sense(about the controllers).`
`16:41.18`	`Mirrage`	`stew, a shell. loose the holographic.`
`16:41.31`	`stew`	`Mirrage: the kumoto.jp url has an installer with a newer kernel`
`16:41.55`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I meant holographic because it's not installed. it's from the ram(dvd boot). sorry.`
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`16:42.12`	`fireba11`	`stew: too bad with all the backporting they screwed up d-i software raid setup :-/`
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`16:42.19`	`stew`	`Mirrage: there is a shell installed`
`16:42.37`	`stew`	`fireba11: i dunno, i haven't tried it`
`16:42.46`	`stew`	`fireba11: nor have i tried software raid in a few yeard`
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`16:42.54`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I have two dvd. the installation proccess asked me just one. I thought it would ask for both and it didnt downloading anything from Internet. Once I tried installing it and it checked even for security updates.`
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`16:43.53`	`fireba11`	`stew i did ... it says so in the readme too ... so my new development servers are running etch now since there the installer works :-D they are not publicly connectable so i guess its okay :-D`
`16:44.08`	`Mirrage`	`stew, I know that the bots are meant to make everybody's life easier but they are not answering me. if you could guide me throught.`
`16:44.54`	`Mirrage`	`fireba11, do you mean for security issues?`
`16:44.58`	`stew`	`!tell Mirrage about sarge 2.6.16`
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`16:45.06`	`fireba11`	`Mirrage yes`
`16:45.08`	`stew`	`&tell Mirrage about sarge 2.6.16`
`16:45.34`	`Mirrage`	`fireba11, yeah, local privilege escalation doesn't bothers you, right?`
`16:46.14`	`fireba11`	`Mirrage: they are only connectable for out developers as test boxes .. so no sweat there`
`16:46.24`	`amee2k`	`can someone please confirm a working Hauppauge Nexus-S rev 2.2 on linux?`
`16:46.58`	`david__`	`How do you set up exim4 --- i can't seem to find the configuration script or for that fact a configuration file --- but i did however install exim4`
`16:47.02`	`Mirrage`	`stew, how am I suppose to run those commands?I don't have a working system. I am missing the point. Should I boot with my actual debian dvd?`
`16:47.31`	`Mirrage`	`david__, lsof -i :25`
`16:47.39`	`Mirrage`	`david__, is it listenning?`
`16:48.00`	`fireba11`	`david__ configuration is in /etc/exim4 ... depends if you did set it up with one or multiple file config ..`
`16:48.11`	`Mirrage`	`david__, dpkg -i exim4. is it installed?`
`16:48.22`	`tuv`	`!fudo`
`16:48.22`	`dpkg_`	`i heard fudo is due to a bad mirror sync, some repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors>`
`16:48.26`	`david__`	`mirrage: yes it is installed`
`16:48.42`	`stew`	`Mirrage: you either boot your debian cd and chroot, or downlod one of the cd images from kumoto.jp`
`16:48.51`	`Mirrage`	`david__ did you compile it yourself and specified different --sysconf?`
`16:48.55`	`petemc`	`david__: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
`16:48.55`	`fireba11`	`Mirrage: you are supposed to get an installer with sarge and a 2.6.16 kernel so you can install it :-D`
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`16:49.32`	`Mirrage`	`fireba11, ew...I live in the monkey's contry. I don't have fast Internet.`
`16:49.36`	`david__`	`mirrage: it was brought in as apt-get... tried the dpkg reconfigure -- did not work`
`16:49.41`	`Mirrage`	`contry=country`
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`16:49.50`	`david__`	`mirrage: says file not found`
`16:49.53`	`fireba11`	`Mirrage: it's a netinstall .. not big`
`16:50.09`	`Mirrage`	`david__, if it was brought in as apt-get it must be on its typical location`
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`16:50.25`	`david__`	`mirrage: which is`
`16:50.43`	`Mirrage`	`david__, did you try fireball's suggestion, please?`
`16:50.58`	`fireba11`	`david__: you running debian at all ? :-)`
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`16:51.16`	`david__`	`fireball: yes`
`16:51.20`	`petemc`	`its not surprising that dpkg -i exim4 said file not found`
`16:51.35`	`Mirrage`	`sorry`
`16:51.43`	`Mirrage`	`I must had told you the wrong syntax or package name`
`16:51.49`	`david__`	`fireball dpkg -1 exim4 says it is found`
`16:52.03`	`fdsd`	`anyone here use Debian on a Mac?`
`16:52.11`	`petemc`	`david__: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/`
`16:52.33`	`Mirrage`	`just an off-topic question. does adamantix takes benefits all debian's apt-get packages tree?`
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`16:53.23`	`david__`	`petemc: read the docs... it points to doing exim4.conf no such animal`
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`16:53.33`	`Mirrage`	`hahahaha`
`16:53.37`	`Mirrage`	`no such animal, kakakakak`
`16:53.50`	`petemc`	`david__: see me other answer, dont choose split config`
`16:53.52`	`Mirrage`	`david__, force a removal and reinstall it.`
`16:53.54`	`petemc`	`s/me/my/`
`16:53.58`	`petemc`	`Mirrage: no`
`16:54.07`	`Mirrage`	`lol`
`16:54.11`	`Mirrage`	`no such animal was funny`
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`16:55.06`	`Mirrage`	`anyway, thanks for you help guys. this debian things is really gay. it doens't even boot after all the neat graphical foreplays.`
`16:55.06`	`david__`	`petemc: i did not use spit config in the initial setup`
`16:55.09`	`Mirrage`	`you=your`
`16:55.19`	`Mirrage`	`have a nice day`
`16:55.22`	`Ronin`	`debian thing is really gay? whatever Mirrage`
`16:55.26`	`Mirrage`	`thanks for you help stew`
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`16:55.46`	`stew`	`&tell Mirrage about gay`
`16:55.49`	`Mirrage`	`Ronin, don't bother with me , I am just angry.`
`16:56.00`	`petemc`	`david__: exim4 -bV , but the config file it will point to isnt really editable , read the docs`
`16:56.02`	`stew`	`Mirrage: don't use that word in a derrogatory fashion in here`
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`16:56.51`	`Mirrage`	`stew, hahaha, thanks. very informative. yes, I understand you. I have been with many lesbian girls. I didnt mean to be offensive or denote prejudice.`
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`16:57.33`	`GoAuLd`	`u have been?`
`16:57.37`	`Mirrage`	`I am sorry, I apologize, I am just angry because it should work, as it is fair away more friendly then everything I had installed`
`16:57.39`	`GoAuLd`	`and what happened?`
`16:57.50`	`Mirrage`	`GoAuLd, it was cool and I respected then.`
`16:57.54`	`Mirrage`	`GoAuLd, bye bye`
`16:58.14`	`fireba11`	`???`
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`16:58.23`	`GoAuLd`	`i dont believe that`
`16:58.27`	`tecnologia`	`hi everybody`
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`16:58.40`	`fireba11`	`now wth was wrong with that guy ...`
`16:58.49`	`tecnologia`	`someone knows any unofficial server to talk about GNOME?`
`16:58.49`	`david__`	`petemc: I read the docs and several articles on the net... everything ponts to running exim4.conf script to set up and make changes... I can not find this anywhere on the computer... did a uninstall and reinstall and still cant find it.`
`16:58.58`	`tecnologia`	`i need develop a project in GNOME`
`16:59.07`	`tecnologia`	`and need ask some questions`
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`16:59.17`	`petemc`	`david__: there is no exim4.conf script, i dont know what docs you're reading but they're wrong`
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`16:59.35`	`streuner`	`tecnologia: irc.gnome.org ? ;-)`
`16:59.45`	`petemc`	`david__: you can put your own config in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf and it will use that`
`16:59.51`	`tecnologia`	`that's official server`
`17:00.00`	`fireba11`	`petemc: there should be already a config of some sort`
`17:00.01`	`tecnologia`	`but i cant connect to it!`
`17:00.05`	`fireba11`	`it it's not debian`
`17:00.10`	`knoxy`	`exists oracle 10g support for debian?`
`17:01.00`	`petemc`	`fireba11: right, there is, in /var/`
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`17:01.01`	`streuner`	`tecnologia: irc.us.gimp.org works fine here`
`17:01.02`	`david__`	`there is no exim4 conf file... there is a template file and it says the exim4.conf script will make the actual conf file`
`17:01.02`	`tecnologia`	`streuner: thanks... i'm gonna try it`
`17:01.06`	`streuner`	`irc.wa.gimp.net[69.22.167.29/6667]`
`17:01.50`	`fireba11`	`petemc: there also is no way not to ahve a exim4 config in /etc/exim4 without deleting it`
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`17:01.59`	`petemc`	`david__: you can use update-exim4.conf to output a config file, or copy the (uncommented) one from /var/lib/exim4//config.autogenerated`
`17:02.05`	`fireba11`	`david__: what about tryin update-exim4.conf ?`
`17:02.12`	`tecnologia`	`streuner: channel?`
`17:02.22`	`petemc`	`david__: this is all in the docs`
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`17:06.39`	`david__`	`ok never mind... i have read the docs... the config.autogenerated is not responding say no such file. eventhough it is all there..`
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`17:07.04`	`david__`	`i will continue my search for a answqer to solve the problem`
`17:07.11`	`petemc`	`david__: what is it you want to do?`
`17:07.46`	`david__`	`i need to set it up to send mail....`
`17:08.13`	`david__`	`which it will not do right now`
`17:08.18`	`petemc`	`david__: if your needs arent exotic, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should be all you require`
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`17:09.02`	`fireba11`	`how to purge a package that is not installed ?`
`17:09.03`	`david__`	`ok that is what i thought the line should be... but it throughs an error`
`17:09.12`	`Ronin`	`david__: and the error is?`
`17:10.27`	`david__`	`no such file... --- well it is looking like a faulty install`
`17:10.56`	`petemc`	`you're not helping yourself being so vague`
`17:11.01`	`david__`	`so i have pounding my head on the desk trying to make somthing work that cant work`
`17:11.43`	`david__`	`that is the error`
`17:11.51`	`david__`	`no such file`
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`17:12.11`	`Ronin`	`thats the complete error and nothing but the error that you get?`
`17:12.13`	`Suprano`	`i want to download a debian dvd, but don't know which version i should take..`
`17:12.14`	`petemc`	`good luck with that`
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`17:12.44`	`fireba11`	`Suprano: then let me ask why you want to get a dvd`
`17:12.55`	`Suprano`	`because i got isdn`
`17:13.05`	`Suprano`	`and a friend is getting it for me`
`17:13.07`	`fireba11`	`how to purge a package that is not installed (but was bevore of course) .. anyone ?`
`17:13.16`	`Ronin`	`fireba11: dpkp --purge`
`17:13.19`	`fireba11`	`Suprano: okay, valid reason g`
`17:13.20`	`Ronin`	`doh, dpkg`
`17:13.34`	`Suprano`	`jigdo-dvd or iso-dvd ?`
`17:13.42`	`fireba11`	`Ronin: thanks`
`17:13.46`	`Suprano`	`and whats r1 or r2 ?`
`17:13.59`	`fireba11`	`Suprano: i suggest iso, and r2 is the newer one`
`17:14.09`	`Suprano`	`k`
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`17:15.30`	`p0t`	`!dpkg rules`
`17:15.31`	`dpkg_`	`well, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.`
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`17:15.40`	`p0t`	`not those rules`
`17:15.45`	`p0t`	`the other ones`
`17:15.54`	`Ronin`	`what other rules?`
`17:16.00`	`GoAuLd`	`!noit those rules`
`17:16.03`	`GoAuLd`	`!not those rules`
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`17:16.20`	`p0t`	`the linux rules`
`17:16.34`	`p0t`	`#1 is something about not changing permissions`
`17:16.37`	`GoAuLd`	`!suck me`
`17:16.37`	`Ronin`	`p0t: what linux rules?`
`17:16.46`	`Ronin`	`ahh`
`17:16.54`	`GoAuLd`	`!love me`
`17:16.58`	`p0t`	`get it?`
`17:17.00`	`azeem`	`GoAuLd: stop abusing the bot, please`
`17:17.10`	`GoAuLd`	`ok boss`
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`17:17.28`	`p0t`	`!dpkg linux rules`
`17:17.33`	`p0t`	`!dpkg linux`
`17:17.33`	`dpkg_`	`from memory, linux is closed`
`17:17.39`	`azeem`	`p0t: please /msg the bot`
`17:17.43`	`p0t`	`grr`
`17:17.49`	`mrrcparish`	`cry?`
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`17:18.03`	`p0t`	`azeem, do you know the command to see the linux rules?`
`17:18.18`	`azeem`	`p0t: maybe there is none?`
`17:18.32`	`p0t`	`there is one`
`17:18.36`	`p0t`	`i seen it before`
`17:18.45`	`azeem`	`dunno`
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`17:19.13`	`Ronin`	`p0t: sure you have the right #debian`
`17:19.20`	`p0t`	`yes`
`17:20.09`	`DocOC`	`anyone know any way to adjust the behavior of dri other than driconf. driconf does not work in sid because the xbase-clients has a broken xdriinfo binary.`
`17:20.15`	`scoopy`	`Hello guys, Where on this good planet of ours has 'testing/etch' gone?? Apt says '404' tried a few terrotories..`
`17:20.36`	`Suprano`	`hm there are 2 dvds... debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-31r2-i386-binary-2.iso (?)`
`17:20.52`	`bluefox83`	`scoopy, huh? i use it o.o`
`17:21.07`	`Ronin`	`Suprano: disk 2 is extras`
`17:21.15`	`bluefox83`	`and apt-get update works just fine o.o`
`17:21.34`	`bluefox83`	`oh wait..heh`
`17:21.37`	`bluefox83`	`i use unstable`
`17:21.41`	`Suprano`	`Ronin, but things like ion3 are in no extras or?`
`17:21.47`	`Suprano`	`-in`
`17:21.51`	`scoopy`	`bluefox I cannot apt-get update successfully. Is my sources.list wrong maybe? sid is fine...`
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`17:21.55`	`DocOC`	`or, alternately, does anyone know if there is a channel specifically devoted to dri in debian or dri in unstable?`
`17:22.18`	`sid`	`ion3 is the best window manager ever.`
`17:22.18`	`sid`	`!start a window manager war`
`17:22.18`	`dpkg_`	`fluxbox makes me vomit!`
`17:22.28`	`Ronin`	`Suprano: yes one persons extra is anothers needed but there should be a disk content listing somewhere on debian.org?`
`17:22.42`	`Suprano`	`i have a look`
`17:22.51`	`DocOC`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:22.52`	`dpkg_`	`fvwm95 blows goats!`
`17:23.00`	`scoopy`	`sid have you tried 'Klaxion prime 4' ?`
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`17:24.17`	`aubergine`	`Hi, how can exec a .sh Script in a .pl Script?`
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`17:25.12`	`sputnik`	`lo`
`17:25.22`	`cydork`	`aubergine: in qx("./script.sh") ??`
`17:25.27`	`DocOC`	`aubergine: use the source() luke.`
`17:25.27`	`scoopy`	`zieg zieg huh?`
`17:25.41`	`sputnik`	`has anyone here used proxychains successfully?`
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`17:25.47`	`aubergine`	`thx ya`
`17:25.51`	`scoopy`	`LOL use the source nice.`
`17:26.53`	`mikefoo`	`Anything that will tell me iostat information on a per processes level? Trying to narrow down what process is doing high i/o`
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`17:32.39`	`Tassium`	`I have created a symlink /dev/dvd pointing to /dev/hdc. I cannot get vlc to play the dvd, though, since I think I've got the syntax wrong in the "Open Disc" dialog. What should it say after dvd:// ?`
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`17:33.40`	`dabreegster`	`Tassium: If vlc is anything like mplayer, dvd://x where x is a number specifying the chapter (title? forgot terminology) to play`
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`17:34.26`	`Tassium`	`dabreegster: That doesn't appear to work with vlc. Do you recommend mplayer for dvds?`
`17:34.49`	`jcml`	`Evening all - does anyone have any experience of using john-the-ripper where you have a reasonable idea of what the password is already? My dad's forgotten his root password, but knows roughly what it is ... :-)`
`17:35.04`	`stew`	`jcml: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password`
`17:35.17`	`stew`	`jcml: err /msg aptitude i forgot root's password`
`17:35.25`	`dabreegster`	`Tassium: Sure, I use mplayer for all my multimedia needs. It has a weird license though. Your preference, obviously.`
`17:35.33`	`jcml`	`stew: it's on an ipcop system, but I'll give that a go ...`
`17:35.36`	`jcml`	`:)`
`17:35.48`	`Tassium`	`dabreegster: What's the license?`
`17:36.28`	`jcml`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:36.35`	`jcml`	`sorry`
`17:36.36`	`dabreegster`	`Tassium: The codecs to play some videos don't work with the DFSG I think. /msg dpkg mplayer`
`17:36.40`	`lindi-`	`Tassium: try File->open disc?`
`17:36.59`	`lindi-`	`dabreegster: yeah but those are not part of mplayer`
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`17:37.25`	`lindi-`	`i'm using mplayer cvs without any proprietary parts (there could still be patent problems of course)`
`17:37.35`	`Tassium`	`dabreegster: Thank you kindly.`
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`17:39.38`	`fantomas`	`Hi. What are you people using to move around desktops - M-Fdd or M-d? (d is digit)`
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`17:39.42`	`yff`	`hiya`
`17:39.44`	`yff`	`:-)`
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`17:40.13`	`Tassium`	`fantomas: I use KDE, and Control-Fkeys`
`17:40.48`	`yff`	`what is the best open source controlpanel for webhosting on debian ?? at the moment i use vhcs2`
`17:41.05`	`Tassium`	`yff: "Best"? Depends on your needs and preferences, doesn't it?`
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`17:41.26`	`fantomas`	`I'm asking since I use fluxbox with bbkeys which defaults to M-d. As a result I have to use ESC as an alternative Mod, lol`
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`17:42.02`	`yff`	`Tassium : well you have a point there. My needs is webhosting for the masses, with al the features possible and still userfriendly`
`17:42.04`	`fantomas`	`No I think its possibly not the most convinient way to use X :)`
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`17:42.22`	`fantomas`	`Now*`
`17:42.32`	`DocOC`	`fantomas: I use ctrl-left and ctrl-right`
`17:42.53`	`aubergine`	`How can i declared the actually working dir and the users homepath in a .sh script?`
`17:42.56`	`DocOC`	`pretty easy, I can do it with 2 fingers on my right hand.`
`17:42.56`	`stew`	`i use Super_L+{z,x,c,v} :)`
`17:42.57`	`yff`	`Tassium : But also it needs to be big enought so it donw fade away in 5 month`
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`17:43.02`	`g333k_work`	`how can I umoun swap?`
`17:43.07`	`g333k_work`	`umount*`
`17:43.17`	`Ronin`	`g333k_work: why do you want to`
`17:43.34`	`solid_liq`	`g333k_work: use swapoff instead of umount`
`17:43.36`	`cydork`	`g333k_work: swapoff`
`17:43.43`	`g333k_work`	`thanks`
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`17:43.46`	`DocOC`	`fantomas: btw, you should use fluxkeys instead of bbkeys.`
`17:44.05`	`fantomas`	`DocOC: oops, really? didn't know that :)`
`17:44.14`	`fantomas`	`DocOC: thanks, I'll check it`
`17:44.33`	`DocOC`	`fantomas: in any case, I find that the ctrl-arrow-key combo is quite convenient.`
`17:44.38`	`GTX`	`Hello, I have setup a Counter Strike Source Server on Debian 3.1 Kernel (2.4.27-2-686-smp), It's only getting 50 FPS and cannot go over ( due to tickrate ), I know this is down to the kernel its using, does anyone know which one doesn't have such a limit?`
`17:45.12`	`zinx`	`GTX: the 2.6.x kernels for i686 are compiled with HZ = 1000`
`17:45.23`	`zinx`	`GTX: but fwiw you should be able to get 100FPS`
`17:45.34`	`zinx`	`GTX: my guess is the counter strike source server is a broken piece of crap`
`17:45.35`	`GTX`	`zinx, I tried a 2.6 kernel and rebooted it`
`17:45.37`	`GTX`	`but it didnt come back up`
`17:45.47`	`GTX`	`Whats the exact one`
`17:45.49`	`abrotman`	`sata?`
`17:45.51`	`GTX`	`indeed sata`
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`17:46.12`	`fantomas`	`DocOC: well, this approach is ok, similar shortcut works here to, but if you having 10 desktops then moving from Nth to N+/-5 pretty time consuming :)`
`17:46.15`	`aubergine`	`GTX: You can use any 2.6 bute use a secure one, with 1000HZ`
`17:46.40`	`GTX`	`aubergine, I used a 2.6 one but it didnt boot back up`
`17:46.48`	`GTX`	`untill I manualy selected old one in grub and removed it`
`17:46.52`	`GTX`	`and you suggest one with smp which 100% works`
`17:47.09`	`aubergine`	`the newest one...`
`17:47.17`	`aubergine`	`but they should work all`
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`17:47.32`	`GTX`	`which is the newst one?`
`17:47.40`	`aubergine`	`look at kernel.org`
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`17:48.25`	`DocOC`	`fantomas: try setting up an easy shortcut for 'goto first workspace', 'goto last workspace' and 'goto workspace 5', and then just use the arrows for the ones inbetween.`
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`17:49.06`	`GTX`	`apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp`
`17:49.10`	`GTX`	`Is this the latest one?`
`17:49.22`	`aubergine`	`no`
`17:49.39`	`aubergine`	`debian packages are all old`
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`17:50.54`	`zinx`	`!tell NewGirl about root`
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`17:51.31`	`abrotman`	`GTX: fix your bootloader`
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`17:52.59`	`GTX`	`abrotman, /`
`17:53.00`	`GTX`	`?`
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`17:53.30`	`GTX`	`http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.17.7.bz2`
`17:53.32`	`DocOC`	`NewGirl: did you get the message from the bot about irc'ing as root?`
`17:53.33`	`GTX`	`so how would I install this?`
`17:54.17`	`Ronin`	`aubergine: debian packages are not all old, stable is a tad but etch is pretty current`
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`17:54.53`	`cydork`	`aubergine: you can even get a 2.6.16 on sarge :P`
`17:55.29`	`aubergine`	`i sorryx`
`17:55.43`	`aubergine`	`the most sarge packages are old`
`17:55.47`	`aubergine`	`correct now?`
`17:56.10`	`abrotman`	`GTX: that's why the machine didn't come back up`
`17:56.10`	`lindi-`	`depends on what old means`
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`17:56.21`	`GTX`	`what is abrotman?`
`17:56.21`	`abrotman`	`aubergine: are you trolling ?`
`17:56.35`	`aubergine`	`not really`
`17:56.35`	`abrotman`	`GTX: your bootloader is looking for hda .. 2.6 makes it sda`
`17:56.48`	`GTX`	`I see abrotman`
`17:56.49`	`GTX`	`one second`
`17:57.01`	`GTX`	`dedi001:~# mount`
`17:57.01`	`GTX`	`/dev/hdc1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)`
`17:57.05`	`GTX`	`hdc :s`
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`17:57.52`	`GTX`	`Right abrotman, so If I want to install a latest kernel from debian package thing`
`17:57.58`	`GTX`	`Will I have to go and edit grub?`
`17:58.00`	`GTX`	`afterwoods?`
`17:58.29`	`abrotman`	`after you install the kernel .. tell grub to use sdc1`
`17:58.55`	`sng`	`abrotman: Don't date robots!`
`17:59.22`	`GTX`	`ok abrotman`
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`18:01.23`	`yff`	`aynoen using zpanel ?`
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`18:01.49`	`prudhvi`	`Hi is there any problem with the Servers! most of them are out of sync ?`
`18:01.57`	`prudhvi`	`i mean mirrors :)`
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`18:02.48`	`Blissex`	`prudhvi: it happens all the time. Wait for them to sync over time.`
`18:03.05`	`GTX`	`abrotman,`
`18:03.08`	`GTX`	`ok I have installed it`
`18:03.14`	`GTX`	`But its using the right place ..`
`18:03.15`	`prudhvi`	`Blissex, i got a Borked Laptop :(`
`18:03.23`	`GTX`	`title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-3-686-smp`
`18:03.23`	`GTX`	`root (hd0,0)`
`18:03.23`	`GTX`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686-smp root=/dev/hdc1 ro`
`18:03.23`	`GTX`	`initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686-smp`
`18:03.23`	`GTX`	`savedefault`
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`18:03.48`	`Blissex`	`prudhvi: you are using the unreleased Etch or unreleasable Sid I guess eh? ;-)`
`18:04.15`	`GTX`	`abrotman,`
`18:04.19`	`GTX`	`Their?`
`18:05.20`	`DocOC`	`check this out! from top: 6993 dococ 25 0 199m 112m 10m R 98.9 60.2 5:41.54 firefox-bin`
`18:06.07`	`cydork`	`DocOC: heheh`
`18:06.09`	`DocOC`	`so, who was it who told me firefox had no memory leak?`
`18:06.28`	`Blissex`	`DocOC: the tooth fairy? :-)`
`18:06.32`	`stoned`	`SUCCESS!!! When I put the urine from the bottle into the cup at the testing site, the temperature strip on the cup read 96 1/2 Farenheit. I had already chatted up the lady and I went there right before she was to go on break so she was in a haste. We got all the paperwork out before I even went in to urinate. hell, she even checked off that the temperature is between 90 and 100F. I think I just passed my piss test!`
`18:06.37`	`stoned`	`HAHAHA! Debian rules!`
`18:06.45`	`cydork`	`stoned: congrats !!! :)`
`18:07.05`	`stoned`	`thanks`
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`18:10.38`	`NewGirl`	`NewGirl not root now...duh. still need help with vnc`
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`18:12.11`	`Zaib`	`guys is there a debian package available for Big Brother Network and System Monitoring tool ??`
`18:12.13`	`prudhvi`	`Blissex, yea Sid!`
`18:12.36`	`Blissex`	`prudhvi: easy to guess. And you deserve whatever happened to you then :-)`
`18:12.52`	`Zaib`	`guys is there a debian package available for Big Brother Network and System Monitoring tool ??`
`18:13.00`	`prudhvi`	`Blissex, lol :))`
`18:13.30`	`NewGirl`	`trying to get remote desktop access from WinXP to debian. running tightvncserver on debian and realvnc client on XP. not working. could use help`
`18:13.34`	`Blissex`	`Zaib: what do you want to achieve roughly?`
`18:14.05`	`Blissex`	`NewGirl: they have common protocol. But remember you can use WinXP remote desktop too.`
`18:14.07`	`Zaib`	`I need to install Big Brother on my server throught apt-get`
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`18:14.28`	`Vasistha`	`NewGirl: you want to control winxp from debian, or you want to control debian from winxp?`
`18:14.31`	`NewGirl`	`Blissex: i can? how can i use remote desktop?`
`18:14.41`	`Zaib`	`Blissex: I need to install Big Brother on my server throught apt-get coz i dont hav gcc i cant compile from source`
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`18:15.22`	`Zaib`	`Blissex: dats why i need package .. can u tell me is it available via any repository`
`18:15.58`	`Blissex`	`NewGirl: 'apt-cache search rdp'`
`18:16.21`	`DocOC`	`Zaib: you could install build-essential, compile, and then remove build-essential, if you don't have gcc intentionally.`
`18:16.23`	`Blissex`	`Zaib: no idea for that specific package. Did you try 'apt-cache search brother'?`
`18:16.39`	`Blissex`	`Zaib: or have a look at 'http://WWW.apt-get.org/`
`18:18.13`	`NewGirl`	`Blissex: looks like these are clients to view a Win desktop. i need to view debian FROM a win desktop. am i misunderstanding?`
`18:18.32`	`DocOC`	`NewGirl: then get an Xserver for windows.`
`18:18.46`	`Blissex`	`NewGirl: Ahhhh, then you have to use VNC indeed. Or as <DocOC> says, X server.`
`18:18.52`	`DocOC`	`NewGirl: xcygwin works with all versions of windows.`
`18:19.04`	`pipeline`	`NewGirl: use Xming. Much simpler to set up.`
`18:19.05`	`Blissex`	`NewGirl: but note that it is easiest if you use the same VNC variant on both.`
`18:19.13`	`pipeline`	`NewGirl: VNC sucks shit.`
`18:19.18`	`DocOC`	`NewGirl: plus, it gives you the advantage of having a posix environment on windows to boot.`
`18:19.44`	`Blissex`	`pipeline: VNC is pretty good and workable.`
`18:19.54`	`stoned`	`actually Xming is highly unstable, crashes quite often in windows`
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`18:20.04`	`stoned`	`best option is to use RDP`
`18:20.04`	`Blissex`	`another alternative is FreeNX, which is like VNC and does better compression.`
`18:20.13`	`stoned`	`RDP is much superior to VNC`
`18:20.33`	`DocOC`	`stoned: she wants to control her debian desktop from windows, not the other way around.`
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`18:20.40`	`stoned`	`I see`
`18:20.42`	`NewGirl`	`please understand i am new to linux in general (hense, NewGirl). sometimes i need things spelled out in the beginning. regarding the relative shit sucking of one vs the other, it's probably bet\st to use the easiest to setup for now`
`18:20.53`	`DocOC`	`stoned: and, I can't think of a better way to do it than X over ssh.`
`18:21.05`	`NewGirl`	`bet\st=best...typo`
`18:21.08`	`stoned`	`DocOC, on a highly unstable X server?`
`18:21.21`	`DocOC`	`stoned: what is unstable about xcygwin?`
`18:21.30`	`stoned`	`I'm takling about Xming`
`18:21.32`	`Blissex`	`NewGirl: so use exactly the same variant of VNC or use FreeNX.`
`18:21.40`	`stoned`	`cygwin/x is good`
`18:21.41`	`DocOC`	`I never advised her to use Xming`
`18:22.13`	`lindi-`	`Blissex: i was under the impression that freenx isn't going to enter debian`
`18:22.25`	`stoned`	`!freenx`
`18:22.32`	`dpkg_`	`rumour has it, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main"`
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`18:22.45`	`Zaib`	`DocOC: Thanks .. i think i should install build-essential and then do my work and remove it after ... But wht about all those dependencies things that comes with buit-essential`
`18:22.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`is posible to use NFS with password ?`
`18:22.47`	`stoned`	`its not in official deb repos.`
`18:22.54`	`lindi-`	`stoned: i am aware, those still don't make it to debian :)`
`18:23.20`	`DocOC`	`Zaib: if you use aptitude to install it, when you remove it with aptitude, it will remove the dependencies also. aptitude rocks`
`18:23.25`	`Zaib`	`DocOC: nHow do i remove them`
`18:23.40`	`Zaib`	`DocOC: well i m using apt-get`
`18:23.50`	`DocOC`	`Zaib: use aptitude.`
`18:23.56`	`NewGirl`	`looking at freeNX i don't see a win client. please explain. looking at VNC, i just guessed at what to install on the debian server from a long list from apt-cache search.`
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`18:24.23`	`DocOC`	`!cygwin`
`18:24.23`	`dpkg_`	`Cygwin is a posix environment for windows, running (among many programs) bash and gcc. Availiable from http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/mirrors.html, or for a fast mirror, use ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/mirrors/cygwin`
`18:24.24`	`stoned`	`the NX client for windows is not free per se, but it is free to use, from the official site. there is no FREENX windows client`
`18:24.44`	`stoned`	`but the NX people make the windows client free to use`
`18:24.50`	`DocOC`	`cygwin is free as in beer.`
`18:24.51`	`stoned`	`I don't have the links, search the main site`
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`18:27.22`	`fantomas`	`I've upgraded to etch and something happend with my ssh sessions. I use rxvt terminal, and run ssh from there. After loggin in to a remote machine I got a kind of dumb terminal where there is no colors and I can't even interact with Midnight Commander. Removing all my customization of rxvt from .Xresources didn't help. Where is the problem?`
`18:27.49`	`fantomas`	`Xterm workds just fine`
`18:28.03`	`DocOC`	`NewGirl: http://x.cygwin.com/`
`18:28.08`	`blackelf`	`when I do "man foo" then program "more" is used to browse the man page... what the hell?`
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`18:28.32`	`NewGirl`	`more confused now. let me backup. is there anyway i can use Windows remote desktop client to gain remote desktop control of a debian system?`
`18:28.35`	`blackelf`	`instead of the normal man page viewer thingy`
`18:28.42`	`lindi-`	`NewGirl: afaik no`
`18:28.59`	`DocOC`	`NewGirl: no. there is no rdp server for linux`
`18:29.14`	`blackelf`	`NewGirl: start a VNC server on linux and get a win32 client for it`
`18:29.35`	`NewGirl`	`ok, is tightvncserver the correct choice for the server?`
`18:29.36`	`stoned`	`apt-get install tightvncserver`
`18:29.40`	`lindi-`	`NewGirl: vnc4server`
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`18:29.52`	`DocOC`	`NewGirl: however, X is a network protocol, so you can run all your X apps remotely on your windows machine hosted from your debian machine if you install a windows implimentation of X11R6`
`18:29.56`	`stoned`	`doesn't matter, get any vnc server`
`18:30.17`	`stoned`	`but tight on linux, and tight client on windows would give you best results`
`18:30.28`	`NewGirl`	`i installed tightvncserver on the server. is realvnc client the right choice for a win client to connect to tightvncserver?`
`18:30.28`	`lindi-`	`stoned: vnc4server includes tight encoding`
`18:30.36`	`stoned`	`lindi-, I did not know that`
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`18:30.49`	`cube`	`hi`
`18:30.52`	`stoned`	`hi`
`18:31.01`	`lindi-`	`stoned: tightvncserver was just a fork to develop the encoding afaik`
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`18:31.14`	`schlumbergera`	`hi. i need some support on mdadm`
`18:31.21`	`cube`	`where can i find "default font "fixed""??? cause my Xserver gives an error when starting it`
`18:31.24`	`lindi-`	`NewGirl: any vnc server and client will communicate yes`
`18:31.26`	`stoned`	`!ask`
`18:31.26`	`dpkg_`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
`18:31.38`	`schlumbergera`	`http://nopaste.debianforum.de/3829`
`18:31.40`	`lindi-`	`NewGirl: are you trying to do this over internet?`
`18:31.49`	`lindi-`	`NewGirl: or just LAN?`
`18:31.58`	`stoned`	`cube, I don't know that, but I do`
`18:32.01`	`stoned`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:32.01`	`DocOC`	`cube: sounds like your fontpath is messed up, or you don't have freetype or xft. How did you configure X?`
`18:32.14`	`stoned`	`cube, I don't know that, but I do know that you can find your font paths in the X config file`
`18:32.35`	`lindi-`	`cube: dpkg --get-selections \|grep xfont ?`
`18:32.36`	`DocOC`	`scratch that, freetype and xft have nothing to do with that. Just the fontpath.`
`18:32.45`	`cube`	`oh...i forgot this cause i thaught debain configures himself ... my fault... /me is a jerk ;)`
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`18:32.55`	`NewGirl`	`Lindi: in installed the win client and tightvncserver. i am on a LAN with no firewall between but can't connect. what am i missing?`
`18:33.01`	`stoned`	`cube, you can't find the font or do you need to enable that font in X`
`18:33.07`	`lindi-`	`NewGirl: nothing, that should work`
`18:33.19`	`lindi-`	`NewGirl: although i still recommend 'vnc4server' :)`
`18:33.19`	`stoned`	`NewGirl, did you start the vnc server?`
`18:33.24`	`fantomas`	`Does anybody use rxvt for console ssh sesssion and on Etch now?`
`18:33.59`	`stoned`	`NewGirl, something like vnserver -depth 24 -geometery 800x600 (change if you want)`
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`18:34.00`	`cube`	`stoned: can't find`
`18:34.07`	`schlumbergera`	`what is the difference between /dev/.static/dev/md/0 and /dev/md0?`
`18:34.14`	`NewGirl`	`stoned: i typed tightvncserver in terminal to start`
`18:34.26`	`cube`	`which command i should use to configure xorg in an easy way?`
`18:34.30`	`stoned`	`!drxx`
`18:34.31`	`dpkg_`	`drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself.`
`18:34.47`	`stew`	`!drxxorg cube`
`18:34.47`	`dpkg_`	`cube: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5>`
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`18:35.18`	`stoned`	`stew, hi`
`18:35.22`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera: AFAIK -the former is from "udev" implementation - the latter is the "hotplug" way`
`18:35.22`	`NewGirl`	`apt-cache search vnc`
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`18:35.43`	`stoned`	`stew, how are the RC bugs coming alone?`
`18:35.47`	`stoned`	`along*`
`18:35.50`	`schlumbergera`	`enouf, ehm then i have a conflict in my system...`
`18:35.52`	`stew`	`stoned: i have only gotten 2 this week`
`18:35.58`	`stew`	`and filed 1`
`18:36.07`	`stoned`	`word`
`18:36.08`	`cube`	`stoned: no...for configuration...i didn't configure it`
`18:36.13`	`schlumbergera`	`enouf, both are installed and running`
`18:36.23`	`stoned`	`cube, that is for configuration`
`18:36.28`	`stoned`	`or re configuration`
`18:36.29`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera: did you install (upgrade) and forget to read the warnings to purge hotplug??`
`18:36.32`	`Zaib`	`DocOC: Thanks ... I m downloading it via aptitude`
`18:36.59`	`schlumbergera`	`enouf, it looks so, hmm`
`18:37.48`	`DocOC`	`Zaib: cool. Should work great. just make sure you also use aptitude to remove it, so the dependencies are removed too. You have good instincts, always good to get rid of any developer tools on production servers.`
`18:38.29`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera: If running Sid/unstable, you definitely hav udev, (and hal too (likely)) - and if so - you need to 'apt-get --purge remove hotplug' - but wait for someone else to confirm this ..ok?`
`18:38.48`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera: s/hav/have`
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`18:39.05`	`schlumbergera`	`why confirming?`
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`18:39.36`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera: confirming my 'assessment' of your situation -- are you definitely on Sid ??`
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`18:41.21`	`fireba11`	`am getting a warning that packages cannot be authenticated ... can someone tell me the cause for this ?`
`18:41.36`	`fireba11`	`on etch`
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`18:42.13`	`Tomze`	`fireba11: gpg error - public key.. bla-bla-bla.. search the wiki or google.. its pretty easy`
`18:42.41`	`fireba11`	`Tomze ah .. okay`
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`18:43.07`	`davis`	`hello`
`18:43.12`	`stew`	`fireba11: have you run "apt-get update"?`
`18:43.17`	`fireba11`	`stew yep`
`18:43.22`	`yff`	`If you want state of the art control panel, what would youi guys then suggest ??`
`18:43.30`	`yff`	`i have looked at zpanel...`
`18:43.35`	`yff`	`pt. using vhcs2`
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`18:43.57`	`Cooner750`	`I added a blacklist line to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and now I am getting tons of lines at boot time that flash by saying "Ignoring bad line starting with blacklist"`
`18:44.33`	`stoned`	`why would you want to remove hotplug and keep just udev? unless udev does the job of hotplug now too`
`18:44.36`	`schlumbergera`	`enouf, http://paste.uni.cc/8959`
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`18:44.54`	`schlumbergera`	`i will deinstall this ubuntu shit, that is only making me angry :(`
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`18:45.15`	`fireba11`	`stew: guess third time's the charm :-D`
`18:45.32`	`Tomze`	`stoned: just purge hotplug if you dont run sarge... hal/dbus/udev-thingy is the new stuf...`
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`18:46.03`	`stoned`	`I see`
`18:46.10`	`lapotok`	`hi! I've tried to install some deb-package not from repository, but where were many dependencies... Then I've tried to install some dep from Debian disk, but there was 'apt-get -f install' required end it wants to remove a lot of my packages to fix it... what to do? I don't want to remove packages!!`
`18:46.20`	`stew`	`schlumbergera: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu`
`18:46.21`	`Vasistha`	`schlumbergera: we can't support ubuntu in here anyway. That's why we asked you for your version of debian.`
`18:46.26`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera: sorry I don't read German well -- but it seems you're using Ubuntu ,and need to ask your questions specific over in their channel --> #ubuntu`
`18:46.56`	`schlumbergera`	`yes, you are right`
`18:47.27`	`schlumbergera`	`the ubuntu people make only shit, if you ask me ;)`
`18:47.36`	`schlumbergera`	`bye`
`18:47.42`	`davis`	`i am running debian stable and I am trying to run an old application which uses an installsheild setup. When it tries to run, it says if can not load libstdc++.so.5. I have the latest updates from stable and all libstdc++ libs installed. What else can I do?`
`18:47.43`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera: Time to load Debian :-)`
`18:47.54`	`schlumbergera`	`yeah`
`18:48.27`	`roxy_`	`I'm trying to upload my pgp key and get this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MoQTW562.html`
`18:48.32`	`roxy_`	`where could that come from ?`
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`18:49.34`	`lindi-`	`roxy_: firewall?`
`18:49.41`	`stew`	`roxy_: would you for some reason not be allowed to make an outgoing connection on the hkp port?`
`18:49.58`	`g333k_work`	`hi, why do i get this output: http://pastebin.ca/115606 when I exec "cdrecord --scanbus" ?`
`18:50.12`	`roxy_`	`stew: yes, I set up my firewall yesterday but I thought it was using http`
`18:50.22`	`stew`	`roxy_: no, its using hkp`
`18:50.45`	`DocOC`	`lapotok: try using aptitude instead of apt-get, it handles dependencies better, and if you use it interactively, it presents you with multiple possible solutions for resolving dependency problems.`
`18:50.46`	`lindi-`	`roxy_: strace -e connect gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --send-key 46E5AX23`
`18:50.53`	`schlumbergera`	`enouf, in #ubuntu, there is no answer! ;)`
`18:50.57`	`fantomas`	`Does anybody use rxvt for console ssh sesssion and on Etch now? Sorry for repeating, I experience problems with ssh, maybe someone provide some help..`
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`18:51.40`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera I bet if you psot a pastebin that says DEBIAN instead of ubunutu, you'll get siome sort of answer - hehe`
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`18:51.50`	`enouf`	`s/psot/psot`
`18:51.57`	`enouf`	`duh POST`
`18:52.01`	`schlumbergera`	`lol`
`18:52.44`	`roxy_`	`lindi-: lots of --- SIGWINCH (Window changed) @ 0 (0) --`
`18:52.49`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: did you try what it suggests ?`
`18:53.20`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, what did you suggest?`
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`18:53.36`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: or is that the result of cdrecord --scanbus ?`
`18:53.42`	`roxy_`	`stew: is it 11371 port ? and should I open it in out and in ?`
`18:53.44`	`lindi-`	`roxy_: maybe that's used by gnupg internally`
`18:53.57`	`schlumbergera`	`enouf, thx anyway, bye`
`18:53.58`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, yeah this is the result of cdrecord --scanbus`
`18:54.03`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: pastebin your /etc/fstab ...`
`18:54.10`	`abrotman`	`enouf: please dont' tell people to do that`
`18:54.11`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, ok`
`18:54.12`	`stew`	`roxy_: i don't recall "getent services hkp" would tell you for sure, you should only need to allow it outbound`
`18:54.16`	`enouf`	`schlumbergera : bye`
`18:54.24`	`Pons`	`guys, how can I exlude a package from updating (apt-get related)?`
`18:54.31`	`abrotman`	`!tell pons about hold`
`18:54.41`	`abrotman`	`aptitude: tell Pons about hold`
`18:54.50`	`Pons`	`thx abrotman`
`18:55.18`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, there you have http://pastebin.ca/115617`
`18:55.30`	`enouf`	`abrotman: pastebin in particular? allow me to ask why not, since you asked nicely?`
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`18:55.44`	`roxy_`	`stew: thanks . getent is a nice command to know .`
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`18:55.57`	`abrotman`	`enouf: tell them to paste as debian instead of ubuntu if they're using ubuntu just to get help here`
`18:56.11`	`Jemt`	`Greetz. I just dropped my external USB HDD drive while it was turned on. Is it possible to check the drive for hardware errors?`
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`18:56.49`	`stew`	`roxy_: yes. you can also "getent services" without another argument or "getent passwd roxy" or "getent group staff" or "getent protocols"...`
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`18:56.59`	`lindi-`	`Jemt: maybe you can connect it to normal SATA-connector too?`
`18:57.00`	`enouf`	`abrotman: Oh - you mean my comedic attempt to schlumbergera -- yeah, ok -- he did understand it was a joke, but I see your point -- well taken`
`18:57.17`	`abrotman`	`enouf: are you sure he did?`
`18:57.26`	`njaard`	`when I enable apt's support for HTTP proxies`
`18:57.34`	`njaard`	`it doesn't download the gpg key for the packages`
`18:57.38`	`Jemt`	`lindi-: USB Drive based on PATA/IDE`
`18:57.51`	`lindi-`	`Jemt: well, can you connect it to some PATA-controller then?`
`18:57.52`	`njaard`	`which means it asks this when I do an upgrade: Install these packages without verification`
`18:57.52`	`enouf`	`abrotman: Yes-- I said pastebin as Debian in ubuntu - nott the other way around -- still wrong though, but he ''lol"`
`18:57.56`	`njaard`	`is there an explanation?`
`18:58.03`	`stew`	`njaard: run "apt-get update" again`
`18:58.06`	`Jemt`	`lindi-: Nope, not possible (laptop)`
`18:58.24`	`njaard`	`stew: that's what causes it to fail in the first place`
`18:58.29`	`lindi-`	`Jemt: would be interesting to do it over usb but i don't know any existing software to do it`
`18:58.30`	`stew`	`njaard: run it again`
`18:58.37`	`njaard`	`stew: it doesn't work`
`18:58.37`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, did you see my fstab?`
`18:58.43`	`stew`	`njaard: /msg dpkg 2006 key`
`18:58.52`	`njaard`	`it doesn't say the key is wrong`
`18:58.53`	`stew`	`njaard: apt-get doesn't have any facility for downloading gpg keys`
`18:58.59`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: yes -- I'm looking ;-)`
`18:59.04`	`njaard`	`stew: s/keys/signatures/ I mean`
`18:59.04`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, ok`
`18:59.08`	`stew`	`njaard: apt-get update`
`18:59.13`	`davis`	`is it possible to run an older version of glibc ie. 2.3 on debian sta ble?`
`18:59.22`	`lindi-`	`Jemt: do you know C? how much time would you be willing to use for this project? ;)`
`18:59.25`	`njaard`	`stew: how many times do I need to do that before it will work?`
`18:59.31`	`stew`	`njaard: 2-3`
`18:59.34`	`Jemt`	`lindi-: Not that much :p`
`18:59.38`	`njaard`	`stew: you have to be joking`
`18:59.50`	`stew`	`njaard: ask fireba11`
`18:59.53`	`mawbid`	`is anyone else getting a corrupt dpkg status file? "Paakage:" instead of "Package:" and so forth? Is that the "fudo" problem in the topic?`
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`19:00.36`	`lindi-`	`Jemt: well, you could run badblocks at least`
`19:00.36`	`njaard`	`I've already done it 4 times now with no effect`
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`19:00.36`	`fireba11`	`njaard try apt-get install gnupg`
`19:00.36`	`positron_`	`if i have iptables conntracker enabled and i have an ssh session from host X to host Y do i see the local port open if i perform the scan exactly the same time as some return traffic is received? if i do a portscan from host Y? and am i right that conntrackes automatically opens a port for return traffic?`
`19:00.36`	`njaard`	`and mirrors.kernel.org/debian seems to have missing files, to make it more entertaining`
`19:00.39`	`njaard`	`fireba11: I have gnupg installed :)`
`19:00.42`	`stew`	`njaard: /topic`
`19:00.48`	`fireba11`	`njaard: i didn't at first ...`
`19:01.09`	`njaard`	`all I need to do is disable apt's http proxy support, do an apt-get update`
`19:01.09`	`stew`	`njaard: if you are getting missing files, your mirror is bad, use a different one, /msg dpkg fudo ; /msg dpkg mirrors`
`19:01.12`	`Jemt`	`lindi-: Thanks, I'll look into that :)`
`19:01.13`	`njaard`	`and then apt is fine`
`19:01.19`	`njaard`	`it verifies package signatures and everything`
`19:01.31`	`shingouz`	`njaard: please,`
`19:01.34`	`shingouz`	`njaard: do not use`
`19:01.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`exist a variable to set when dpkg-buildpackage is launched, for use SMP buidling ?`
`19:01.41`	`shingouz`	`njaard: enter so much :)`
`19:01.42`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: 1st what version of Debian are you using ? 2nd: what 'apt-cache depends cdrecord' shows as dependencies, make sure you have those installed (use dpkg -l <packagename>)`
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`19:01.43`	`lindi-`	`positron_: doesn't sound probable`
`19:01.49`	`njaard`	`shingouz: sorry`
`19:01.52`	`shingouz`	`np`
`19:02.30`	`stoned`	`what is a business casual attire?`
`19:02.33`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, debian testing (etch)`
`19:02.42`	`njaard`	`so anyway: I disable proxy support, do an update, notice that upgrade works as expected, enable proxy, upgrade works as expected, do an update, upgrade fails`
`19:02.49`	`stoned`	`is it business, or is it casual? I can't figure it out`
`19:02.54`	`shingouz`	`stoned: t-shirt and sandals?`
`19:02.58`	`Ronin`	`stoned: dress shoes, casual pants and shirt`
`19:03.00`	`njaard`	`stoned: it's a quantum duality :)`
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`19:03.19`	`positron_`	`lindi-: im new to iptables.. if i have a session from X to Y am i right that conntracker opens automatically a port for return traffic? or how does the return traffic get to my comp if every port IN is blocked?`
`19:03.20`	`stoned`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:03.24`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: you can use this to see "dpkg -l libc6 libcap1 debconf makedev" ifd all those ar "ii" installed`
`19:03.31`	`njaard`	`ok, here's a question, how do I get apt to tell e why it's "Ign"oring http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable Release.gpg`
`19:03.31`	`stoned`	`Ronin, not tshirt though right?`
`19:03.41`	`lindi-`	`positron_: what does "IN port is blocked" mean?`
`19:03.50`	`Ronin`	`stoned: button up shirt, right no t's except maybe on casual days`
`19:03.54`	`lindi-`	`positron_: are you familiar with TCP?`
`19:03.57`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, yep`
`19:04.08`	`positron_`	`lindi-: every incoming port, yes i am`
`19:04.18`	`lindi-`	`positron_: but what does it mean?`
`19:04.20`	`positron_`	`lindi-: i mean incoming traffic :)`
`19:04.23`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: try the same using "udev hotplug"`
`19:04.27`	`lindi-`	`positron_: all incoming packets?`
`19:04.30`	`positron_`	`lindi-: yes`
`19:04.34`	`lindi-`	`positron_: then nothing will work`
`19:04.45`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, I dont have hotplug`
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`19:05.28`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Ok try "hal" -- I'm grasping here a bit, so hang in there - there may be some issue unrelated i'm not seeing just yet`
`19:05.33`	`positron_`	`lindi-: but eg. in my zyxel i have every incoming traffic blocked but i can still irc et cetera`
`19:05.43`	`lindi-`	`positron_: i have no idea about zyxel`
`19:05.58`	`positron_`	`lindi-: is that because of a stateful firewall ie. the conntracker?`
`19:06.02`	`lindi-`	`positron_: well, obviously they are not blocking every incoming packet if you can receive packets :;)`
`19:06.08`	`njaard`	`man`
`19:06.10`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, yes I have hal installed`
`19:06.13`	`njaard`	`I wonder why I even bother with this channel`
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`19:06.24`	`lindi-`	`positron_: that? you better show you rules`
`19:06.38`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, do you want me to install hotplug?`
`19:06.53`	`roxy_`	`I still can't get KMail to use pgp. I created a key, uploaded it to a server, pgp --list-keys works. What else do I need ?`
`19:07.00`	`positron_`	`lindi-: are you familiar with the conntracker?`
`19:07.13`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Funny -- I'm on sid/unstable and I get the exact same Error you do when running 'sudo cedrecord --scanbus' -- It may be deprecated since udev is implemented and ide/scsi device recognition are changed a bit now`
`19:07.15`	`roxy_`	`the error is: No backends found for listing keys. Check your installation.`
`19:07.21`	`lindi-`	`positron_: not very`
`19:07.32`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: No -- do not install hoptplug`
`19:07.52`	`mawbid`	`positron_: the FW is blocking incoming connections, but incoming traffic on an outgoing connection is allowed.`
`19:07.53`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, so? there is a issue now`
`19:08.00`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Can you use the App ?? -- and forget --scanbus? see if you can use the app the way you used to`
`19:08.30`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: AFAIK -- you should have udev and Not hotplug`
`19:08.45`	`positron_`	`mawbid: thanks that solved the question`
`19:09.53`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, let me try to burn a ISO using k3b`
`19:10.04`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: there ya go ;-)`
`19:10.59`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, error :(`
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`19:11.16`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Ok -- can you pastebin that error?`
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`19:12.00`	`Ronin`	`g333k_work: did you run k3b setup before trying to burn?`
`19:12.11`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, sure http://pastebin.ca/115641`
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`19:13.25`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Also paste output of 'lsmod \| grep ide' and 'lsmod \| scsi' -- and tell me if /dev/hdc is the device you indeed are trying to burn on (using only) -- no externally attached optical drives?`
`19:13.53`	`Cooner750`	`Is there anything I can do about the fonts in Debian? Fonts on websites just seem to look "generic" for some reason, probably because the major lack of fonts that Windows has`
`19:13.55`	`g333k_work`	`Ronin, I did but after I insert the root password it dindt show me the conf menu`
`19:15.11`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, http://pastebin.ca/115653 yes, hdc is my cd/dvd burner`
`19:15.36`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, just in case this is a notebook`
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`19:16.41`	`fantomas`	`I'm going to install Xgl and found this howto: http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm They say I have to install gnome for that to work, why? Can I use it with KDE?`
`19:17.52`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Ok -- you do NOT have permission --you are not a member of the "cdrom" group -- ok...try this -- Either Burn as Root (or use 'sudo') and then tell me if your $Username is listed in 'cat /etc/group'' at these groups--> "cdrom", "floppy", "audio", "video", "plugdev", "`
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`19:18.39`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: forgot one group -- > "dialout" ;-)`
`19:18.59`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: but "cdrom" is the important one -- perhaps also "audio"`
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`19:19.23`	`aubergine`	`how can i add a cronjob with an sh script?`
`19:19.53`	`lindi-`	`aubergine: why do you try to do that?`
`19:20.12`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, yep al of them`
`19:20.17`	`g333k_work`	`all*`
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`19:20.29`	`sepski`	`aubergine, have your script make a /etc/cron.d/cronjobwhatever file containing the job`
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`19:21.31`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, http://pastebin.ca/index.php`
`19:21.38`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: hrm... do this : "cd /usr/bin/X11" then "ls -al \| grep cdrecord"`
`19:22.26`	`aubergine`	`indi-, because its neccasary for my install script`
`19:23.17`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, http://pastebin.ca/115683`
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`19:23.43`	`aubergine`	`sepski, and cron reads this file automaticlly?`
`19:24.04`	`jonas\|work`	`i have a few packages trying to do something like: "/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/gdm -g gdm ...", and failing because -g wants a numeric gid`
`19:24.09`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: hrm... taht's what I got too ... I also missed some other errors .. [1] "Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?`
`19:24.09`	`enouf`	`: Operation not permitted" [2] ""`
`19:24.12`	`jonas\|work`	`does anyone know a workaround?`
`19:24.47`	`lapotok`	`DocOC: thank you! (about aptitude)`
`19:24.53`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, so you are not able to burn now?`
`19:24.56`	`azeem`	`how does one disable the pdiff feature?`
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`19:25.33`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: ad this one at the end of the /usr/bin/x11 line ... [2] "/usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl"`
`19:25.51`	`azeem`	`nm`
`19:26.14`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: you know -- I haven't tried lately, but it worked fine just a few days ago - yet i havent upgraded or anything in a little while`
`19:26.14`	`jonas\|work`	i get this "adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/run/dbus -g messagebus -s /bin/false -u 103 messagebus' returned error code 3. Exiting.
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`19:26.40`	`DocOC`	`lapotok: that worked for you?`
`19:26.49`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, so there is no solution to my problem right?`
`19:26.52`	`g333k_work`	`:(`
`19:27.13`	`abrotman`	`!pdiff`
`19:27.14`	`dpkg`	`as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf`
`19:27.25`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: At the moment -- I'm at a loss :-( but i'll try to burn an ISO and see what's up -- is the Blank Media you're using Ok (Good quality) ??`
`19:28.12`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: I ain;t no stinkin guru either though :-) -- so just remember, I could EASILY be overlooking something`
`19:28.22`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, yep.... it is weird because yesterday I could burn from console a ISO`
`19:29.06`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Have you updated/upgraded since ??`
`19:29.25`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, I did a general upgrade yesterday`
`19:29.35`	`roxy_`	`I got 3 emails address. Is it good or bad to use one pgp key for the 3 ?`
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`19:29.59`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Does that mean "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" exactly ? or something else ?`
`19:30.11`	`fireba11`	`roxy_: usually the key is linked to the mail address ...`
`19:30.14`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, yep`
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`19:31.44`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Well -- I think using aptitude is supposed to also remove (and possibly purge) items that conflict during an upgrade, but not certain -- can you see if you have some unmet dependencies ?`
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`19:32.00`	`lapotok`	`DocOC: so, one of dependencies was libatk with newer version and solution of my trouble was to switch it to Debian Sarge version =)`
`19:32.16`	`roxy_`	`fireba11: I just end up with an email being signed with another address. Well, I just got to do everything again then.`
`19:32.19`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Have you been using "testing" awhile now, or you moved up from "sarge" as of yesterday??`
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`19:32.49`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, I use testing`
`19:33.04`	`DocOC`	`lapotok: cool. aptitude rocks, because it is humble enough to conceed that you may be more intelligent than it :)`
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`19:33.34`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Well it seems something in that upgrade broke something...hrmm -- lemme go test a bit ;-)`
`19:34.21`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: In the meantime -- hunt down those errors that cdrecord is spitting out`
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`19:34.36`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, Hey! it burned a ISO from console see the log http://pastebin.ca/115709`
`19:36.13`	`aleph0`	`hello. I have a question on using iptables...`
`19:36.16`	`aleph0`	`any takers?`
`19:36.34`	`Vasistha`	`!ask`
`19:36.34`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
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`19:36.54`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Ah ..so the "permissions" thing seems to be coming from the k3b frontend perhaps -- I had issues with that at first...and had to reconfigure k3b (which, I thought added me to /etc/group) but try and go through the k3b Setup again (Find it in K menu))`
`19:37.04`	`aleph0`	`I am migrating to a new server and I want to forward all traffic arriving at the old server to be forwarded to the new one (DNAT?)`
`19:37.16`	`aleph0`	`I'm totally confused by all the howtos and docs.`
`19:37.37`	`DerJamster`	`iptables -A INPUT -j DNAT --to-destination newip`
`19:37.37`	`aleph0`	`(to bridge the time DNS takes to update)`
`19:38.18`	`abrotman`	`aleph0: ask #iptables`
`19:38.40`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, but I have problems when I try to erase a cd-rw from console see: http://pastebin.ca/115712`
`19:38.43`	`aleph0`	`will do...`
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`19:39.38`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, but I am able to erase a cd-rw from k3b......... it is very strange!`
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`19:41.23`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: You won;t believe this -- k3b vanished from my menu AND a "locate k3b" reveals NO EXEC anywhere on the sys :-(`
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`19:42.23`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: NOTE: I'm runnign Sid/Unstabl though, so it would appear MY issue is unrelated to yours ..`
`19:42.57`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, happy hacking :p`
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`19:44.11`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: and there ya go ;-) I can figure it out, I'm just very tired now ... so allow me to slip back into obscurity for ahile -- hope you can resolve it...I'll post anything new I can find out, if you're still here ok?`
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`19:44.26`	`enouf`	`s/ahile/awhile`
`19:45.07`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, I'll be hre`
`19:45.10`	`g333k_work`	`here*`
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`19:45.12`	`linux2`	`i got a question about my laptop, its an hp dv5000t. Now it has an intel hda (high definition audio) chipset and i was able to get it to work for the most part (some programs have distored sound) but it is really quiet. now if i go to hp.com and look up drivers for my sound card it comes up with two things to download.... Conexant High Definition Audio Drive andMicrosoft Universal Audio Architecture (UAA) Bus Driver for High Definition A`
`19:45.12`	`linux2`	`udio. Now do i need the connexant driver to get full volume under linux. linuxant makes a driver i have seen that supports intel hda bus. would this solve my problem?`
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`19:58.15`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`19:58.15`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`20:00.39`	`Maulkin`	`Tetrinet anyone?`
`20:00.48`	`abrotman`	`*popcon`
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`20:02.13`	`raf256`	`where can I download debian-egm?`
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`20:03.05`	`abrotman`	`debian.org/ports ?`
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`20:05.21`	`bgat`	`can anyone tell me how to install Eclipse in sarge?`
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`20:07.37`	`fantomas`	`Hi. How to configure kdm to use Xgl? For xdm its enough to edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers, how to do this with kdm I mean?`
`20:09.23`	`abrotman`	`Xgl is NOT in debian`
`20:09.35`	`abrotman`	`bgat: from source .. or check apt-get.org for a package .`
`20:09.56`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: soon will be`
`20:10.27`	`abrotman`	`fantomas: it is NOT in debian .. would you like me to say it again?`
`20:10.39`	`infernix`	`yes!`
`20:10.45`	`infernix`	`!beer abrotman`
`20:11.33`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: if you wish`
`20:11.48`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: I just asked a question, maybe someone know the answer`
`20:11.49`	`abrotman`	`fantomas: In other words .. you're on your own .. you're asking in the wrong channel`
`20:12.05`	`abrotman`	`try a channel that supports Xgl .. as it is not in Debian yet .. we don't know anything about it`
`20:12.27`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: I know you know :)) But ok, I'm trying #xgl now`
`20:12.53`	`infernix`	`being able to figure it out isnt the same as knowing`
`20:13.52`	`bgat`	`abrotman: thanks!`
`20:13.58`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Still there??`
`20:14.06`	`fantomas`	`Can I make windows transparent on Xorg (which is in Debian, I guess)?`
`20:14.27`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, yep`
`20:14.35`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, any news`
`20:14.36`	`roxy_`	`I did: eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon)" but my gpg agent is still not running. What else ?`
`20:14.38`	`g333k_work`	`?`
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`20:15.11`	`nile`	`fantomas, no. certain apps may be able to do it, but Xorg can't do that for just any window`
`20:15.19`	`abrotman`	`fantomas: for the love of god .. XGL IS NOT IN DEBIAN`
`20:15.32`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: hey, I stoped talking about XGL!`
`20:15.36`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: this is about XORG :)`
`20:15.41`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: Yep (Atleast "Simulation" - I saved the logs ....No probs for me ;-) I installed k3b 'apt-get install k3b', then it ran k3bSetup2, and when I cose ""`
`20:16.05`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: okay?`
`20:16.43`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, re-install k3b ?`
`20:16.45`	`shingouz`	`fantomas: don't mind him he has not had enough caffeine today`
`20:17.32`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: ...and when I chose/ticked "Use this group" [cdrom] (at the top) - I got errors from "Setup" only but the Simulation went through without a hitch (logs again - I'll pastebin all this for you to ponder over)`
`20:17.43`	`abrotman`	`fantomas: xorg (without xgl) doesn't have true transparency afaik`
`20:18.41`	`fantomas`	`abrotman: ok, thats what I need to know. Just testing... don't need all this stuff until it become stable enough...`
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`20:24.08`	`GTX`	`abrotman,`
`20:24.09`	`GTX`	`You their?`
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`20:24.25`	`GTX`	`I've installed the kernel 2.6`
`20:24.28`	`GTX`	`But Im afraid of rebooting`
`20:24.34`	`GTX`	`How can I check to see if its booting it in the wrong place`
`20:24.37`	`GTX`	`( Im using SATA HDD )`
`20:24.40`	`schultzconsult`	`compile?`
`20:24.55`	`GTX`	`using debian package system..`
`20:25.00`	`schultzconsult`	`apt-get?`
`20:25.03`	`GTX`	`indeed`
`20:25.06`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`20:25.12`	`abrotman`	`GTX: check your bootloader`
`20:25.13`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: See if you can gain anything from this info at all http://pastebin.ca/115768`
`20:25.17`	`GTX`	`I have abrotman`
`20:25.24`	`roxy_`	`when I type: "gpg-agent" it answers: gpg-agent: gpg-agent running and available`
`20:25.25`	`GTX`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:25.27`	`abrotman`	`GTX: and what is set as the root partition ?`
`20:26.34`	`GTX`	`abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3346`
`20:26.39`	`GTX`	`Theirs my menu.lst in /boot/grub/`
`20:26.58`	`roxy_`	`but when I send a mail I got the message gpg-agent does no appear to be running`
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`20:28.29`	`GTX`	`abrotman, It look ok?`
`20:28.59`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, my problem is that... after entering the root's password to go to k3bsetup2 I never got the confiuration window that you posted`
`20:29.08`	`stocksy`	`Hi, I'm trying to mount a firewire disk, but it doesn't show up as /dev/hd* or sd*, would anyone give me some pointers?`
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`20:30.49`	`roxy_`	`could someone using gpg tell me what is the variable set by gpg-agent --daemon ? in the tutorial it says: GNUPG_AGENT_INFO but I my system it is: GPG_AGENT_INFO`
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`20:31.39`	`baikonur`	`hi`
`20:31.52`	`jade`	`baikonur, hi. any gators where you live?`
`20:32.02`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'k3bsetup2'.`
`20:32.19`	`abrotman`	`GTX: hold on`
`20:32.23`	`GTX`	`kk`
`20:32.43`	`abrotman`	`no not ok`
`20:32.51`	`GTX`	`Why ;x`
`20:33.00`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: hrm...remember, you=testing, me=sid...dunno`
`20:33.29`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: try removing the "2"`
`20:33.46`	`abrotman`	`GTX: read above what i told you`
`20:33.49`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: I likely have a few versions installed ...hehehe`
`20:33.52`	`baikonur`	`is there a possibility to get packages that are older than testing but newer than stable? are outdated packages maybe saved on an accessible server?`
`20:34.05`	`baikonur`	`jade, gators?`
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`20:34.07`	`GTX`	`abrotman, But why does it have to be SDA when all the rest load from HDC?`
`20:34.09`	`pfernandez`	`hi`
`20:34.19`	`pfernandez`	`what's up with ftp.us.debian.org?`
`20:34.24`	`pfernandez`	`is it down?`
`20:34.27`	`abrotman`	`because the 2.6 kernels rename SATA devices from hd* to sd*`
`20:34.31`	`abrotman`	`pfernandez: use another mirror`
`20:34.40`	`pfernandez`	`can you give me another mirror?`
`20:34.43`	`abrotman`	`!mirrors`
`20:34.43`	`dpkg`	`hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy>`
`20:34.47`	`pfernandez`	`thanks`
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`20:35.00`	`GTX`	`abrotman, Will I have to change /etc/fstab to?`
`20:35.08`	`roxy_`	`!gpg-agent`
`20:35.55`	`pfernandez`	`got it, thanks`
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`20:36.36`	`linux2`	`anyone here know about acpi`
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`20:36.51`	`linux2`	`i am unable to tell my laptop to go from lcd to external display`
`20:36.54`	`linux2`	`acpi gives an error`
`20:37.01`	`linux2`	`anyone know how to fix something like this`
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`20:38.13`	`Maulkin`	`The error could be useful`
`20:38.16`	`roxy_`	`linux2: what error`
`20:38.28`	`GTX`	`abrotman, Will I have to change /etc/fstab to?`
`20:38.39`	`dave_`	`linux2 state your kernel version, the laptop model, and the error`
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`20:39.31`	`linux2`	`ok, the kernel version is 2.6.15-1-486`
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`20:39.39`	`linux2`	`laptop model is an hp dv5000t`
`20:40.22`	`linux2`	`error is ACPI=0412: *** Error: Handler for [EmbeddedControl] returned AE_TIME`
`20:40.33`	`abrotman`	`GTX: probably`
`20:40.52`	`abrotman`	`your laptop is broken`
`20:41.19`	`GTX`	`abrotman, I need to be exactly sure what to change`
`20:41.25`	`GTX`	`The server is in a datacentre miles away from me`
`20:41.25`	`GTX`	`;\`
`20:41.34`	`GTX`	`If i reboot it i will not be able to get it back up`
`20:41.36`	`GTX`	`If their are problems`
`20:41.49`	`linux2`	`ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.EC0_._Q1C] (node c17da8e0), AE_TIME`
`20:41.50`	`linux2`	`anyone know`
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`20:42.10`	`linux2`	`abrotman, my laptop is not broken. someone said that about my mouse and using an ubuntu kernel fixed it`
`20:42.14`	`linux2`	`its a brand new laptop`
`20:42.25`	`abrotman`	`so ask #ubuntu ?`
`20:42.30`	`linux2`	`and also the screen change works fine on windows, so the machine is no physically broken`
`20:42.38`	`linux2`	`abrotman, im using a debian kernel right now`
`20:42.41`	`linux2`	`im just saying`
`20:42.57`	`pstickne`	`linux2, maybe it's just an unsuported ACPI call, does it work in ubuntu?`
`20:44.27`	`pstickne`	`linux2, google wins`
`20:44.28`	`pstickne`	`http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/12/msg00089.html`
`20:44.40`	`pstickne`	`linux that took me one querry and two clicks to get to`
`20:45.15`	`linux2`	`pstickne, im never able to come up with anything on this laptop. its too new atm to get much info on it`
`20:45.28`	`pstickne`	`linux2, or just boot with noapci or whatever`
`20:45.42`	`pstickne`	`linux2, look for similar symptoms`
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`20:46.05`	`pstickne`	`linux2, most laptops and desktops pull from the same, or very similar hardware pool`
`20:46.12`	`enouf`	`g333k_work: You should be able to rerun "k3bSetup" from within k3b under "Settings" menu - try the image again I posted in pastebin, it's bigger and better now (legible)`
`20:46.20`	`linux2`	`pstickne, won't work with acpi turned off`
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`20:46.51`	`chascon`	`hi`
`20:47.33`	`pstickne`	`linux2, follow above link and read :)`
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`20:47.48`	`chascon`	`anyone every have buss doors close on their laptop, say a ibook? I keep on getting system freezes with it today.`
`20:48.00`	`pstickne`	`linux2, the link from that link also contains good information to not have to patch/recompile kernel`
`20:48.00`	`chascon`	`after the fact`
`20:48.24`	`pstickne`	`chascon, :(`
`20:48.46`	`r121`	`chascon: must've knocked something loose?`
`20:48.46`	`pstickne`	`does it look physically damaged?`
`20:48.57`	`chascon`	`no`
`20:49.00`	`pstickne`	`does it rattle?`
`20:49.19`	`r121`	`pstickne: the most important troubleshooting question ;)`
`20:49.28`	`pstickne`	`hehe`
`20:49.35`	`chascon`	`yeah`
`20:49.38`	`chascon`	`the battery lights were on while the ibook was off, which I think its not supposed to do.`
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`20:50.04`	`chascon`	`It's supposed to light up only when pressing on abutton to tell how much life is on it`
`20:50.04`	`bmwm5`	`wtf?`
`20:50.06`	`bmwm5`	`ahhahahahah`
`20:50.08`	`bmwm5`	`http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/01/24/jeffries/index_np.html`
`20:50.16`	`bmwm5`	`61 yr old CEO Of A&F`
`20:50.21`	`bmwm5`	`he thinkes hes frieking 20 yrs old , wtf`
`20:50.26`	`pstickne`	`chascon, is the button operation impaired?`
`20:51.37`	`pstickne`	`bmwm5, do you run a multi-billion dollar company? I'd act pretty much however I pleased if I did ;)`
`20:51.42`	`chascon`	`button operation? The keyboard work and pad is working now that I''ve taken out hte battery and upt it back in.`
`20:51.45`	`chascon`	`could the battery have released some current screwing up openfirmware?`
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`20:52.24`	`pstickne`	`I don't believe so. You'd probably have many more problems.`
`20:52.38`	`pstickne`	`Does dmesg show anything?`
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`20:53.25`	`chascon`	`I know someone at work the other day had the same problem with a pc and all the tech did was reinstall the same battery, so that's why I did that.`
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`20:54.47`	`Skarmeth`	`any suggestion to "emulate" MOTD on GNOME Desktop?`
`20:55.09`	`pstickne`	`chascon, was that a "yeah" to the rattling btw? :)`
`20:55.35`	`Skarmeth`	`I want to display messages (informations) to my users when they get loged in to GNOME Desktop, but I don't know any tool to do so...`
`20:56.01`	`pstickne`	`Skarmeth, xterm -C :)`
`20:56.25`	`pstickne`	`Skarmeth, just put that in gdm/whatever that's called?`
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`20:57.21`	`r121`	`is there any way to allow normal users to mount an ISO file?`
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`20:58.00`	`pstickne`	r121, see `man fstab`
`20:58.06`	`pstickne`	`r121, look at the "user" option`
`20:58.24`	`Guerin`	`i think he might mean an iso file, not a cdrom`
`20:58.33`	`pstickne`	`ohh, shrug`
`20:58.47`	`Guerin`	`still, the principle holds, as long as it's only one iso file, and not 'any arbitrary iso file'`
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`20:59.11`	`r121`	`pstickne: I was kinda hoping for 'any arbitrary iso file' :)`
`20:59.20`	`Guerin`	`well, anything's possible`
`20:59.47`	`Guerin`	`you can probably do something crazy with symlinks`
`20:59.51`	`r121`	`like they can mount any iso they have read access to, only into directories they have write access to`
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`21:01.10`	`pstickne`	`you can mount in loopback just being a normal user?`
`21:02.00`	`Guerin`	`if you have it set up in fstab`
`21:02.24`	`r121`	`pstickne: not that I know of, trying something like "mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /some/path" says only root can do that`
`21:03.52`	`pstickne`	`r121, create a loop device that others have access to and specify it?`
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`21:07.06`	`r121`	`pstickne: that might be more complication than I need, this is really just a convenience for me, so I don't have to be root when I mount iso's`
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`21:08.11`	`Skarmeth`	`pstickne, a zenity --info --title='<title>' --text='<text>' it's a good solution`
`21:08.16`	`Skarmeth`	`thank's`
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`21:09.35`	`pstickne`	`r121, could always setup a specific sudo`
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`21:12.35`	`r121`	`pstickne: that's a thought, I might go with that`
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`21:14.06`	`Coke`	`Hello. I get hundreds of failed SSH login attempts every day, typical brute force attack. Is there a way for me to blacklist/block IP's after n failed SSH attempts?`
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`21:17.09`	`g333k_work`	`enouf, are you there? meybe you can pastebin you k3b conf file`
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`21:17.34`	`tmccrary`	`Is there a drqueue channel?`
`21:19.08`	`blondie`	`a what channel?`
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`21:19.16`	`blondie`	`Coke: yes... look at erm`
`21:19.17`	`Tramse`	`anyone know of a couple ways to keep Xorg from tying up cpu resources?`
`21:19.50`	`blondie`	`Coke: this: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts`
`21:20.34`	`tmccrary`	`DrQueue, it's a distributed rendering system`
`21:20.41`	`phogg`	`Tramse: [re]nice?`
`21:20.52`	`Tramse`	`yea probably that`
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`21:24.17`	`Coke`	`tzard: why is that?`
`21:24.40`	`Coke`	`tzard: I use Jack for audio mixing and I have the realtime LSM loaded. It helped a lot.`
`21:25.19`	`Coke`	`tzard: so if your "other" software has the ability to do (near) realtime Xorg (or anything else) just has to wait it's turn.`
`21:25.46`	`Coke`	`tzard: that's how I got rid of annoying "your computer is to slow to mix this in realtime" from jack.`
`21:26.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`$ debootstrap --arch amd64 etch hda8/ http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/`
`21:26.14`	`Coke`	`blondie: thanks.`
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`21:26.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`is this command correct for build a amd64 debian system ? is VERY slow....`
`21:26.49`	`Coke`	`blondie: is there some solution packaged with debian?`
`21:26.58`	`blondie`	`Coke: it is packaged`
`21:27.01`	`blondie`	`I think`
`21:27.28`	`blondie`	`if not, I don't know, that's all I've tried`
`21:27.32`	`Coke`	`blondie: I use etch, Not in it.`
`21:27.45`	`Coke`	`blondie: I actualy wrote a similar tool, but that uses iptables to block IP's from a blacklist.`
`21:28.07`	`blondie`	`Coke: actually I just block everything from ssh and allow a few networks/hosts access`
`21:28.11`	`Coke`	`blondie: but I guess that is more strain on the CPU.`
`21:28.28`	`Coke`	`blondie: impossible when you don't know where you will be loging in from.`
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`21:28.58`	`blondie`	`Coke: not for me, I have other machiens I can ssh via (at work)`
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`21:30.35`	`Coke`	`blondie: that synchronization thingie sounds sceary. what if someone adds an entire network on malice?`
`21:31.06`	`blondie`	`Coke: huh?`
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`21:31.37`	`blondie`	`what are you referring to?`
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`21:37.03`	`roler`	`I just got a ton of messages like this: Aug 4 14:22:58 corecoding kernel: TCP: drop open request from 70.94.232.207/60292`
`21:37.13`	`tmccrary`	`Is there a way to set the output of blender from the command line? When using batch -b`
`21:37.16`	`roler`	`and my port 80 was filtered. I had to reboot the box. What is going on?`
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`21:38.08`	`g333k_work`	`hi, why does everytime that I reboot I have to run alsaconf to set up my sound? why my debian doesnt save the configuration?`
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`21:40.19`	`gaelabel`	`hello, can somebody do a test ? type http://81.203.15.238 and tell me if it's ok, so you will see the apache page`
`21:40.29`	`gaelabel`	`thank you`
`21:41.00`	`bmwm5`	`gaelabel`
`21:41.04`	`bmwm5`	`is this social engineering`
`21:41.07`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) Server at 81.203.15.238 Port 80 ;)`
`21:41.09`	`bmwm5`	`to load a trojan zero-day sploit? :)`
`21:41.12`	`amphi`	`cough`
`21:41.15`	`bmwm5`	`on people who go there :)`
`21:41.38`	`gaelabel`	`perfect, thank you very much`
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`21:41.52`	`gaelabel`	`do you want an accoutn amphi ?`
`21:41.58`	`amphi`	`!ubuntusmite gaelabel`
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`21:42.22`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: an account/`
`21:42.23`	`amphi`	`?`
`21:42.29`	`gaelabel`	`yeAH`
`21:42.53`	`gaelabel`	`if you want one, it's up to you`
`21:43.04`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: you mean a shell account>`
`21:43.07`	`amphi`	`?`
`21:43.08`	`gaelabel`	`yeah`
`21:43.41`	`gaelabel`	`i won'y stay with this ubuntu, but i will keep your data to recreate when i fix the system i want`
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`21:44.02`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: no thanks - what would I do with it?`
`21:44.26`	`gaelabel`	`i don't know, it's up to you... only for good proposes, of course :)`
`21:44.35`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: of course, if you have a super-fast machine and want to make it a povray server I'd be interested`
`21:44.47`	`cydork`	`gaelabel, can i :P`
`21:44.52`	`gaelabel`	`what is povray ?`
`21:45.01`	`gaelabel`	`hehe, of course`
`21:45.08`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: a ray tracer`
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`21:45.54`	`gaelabel`	`http://83.36.183.78/ chek that is my all server, but as i comment the conection is not working properly now`
`21:46.22`	`gaelabel`	`so untiul i can fix it (i discuss with the provider quite a lot) i will set up another in my home. govinda is in my family's`
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`21:46.39`	`gaelabel`	`what is a ray tracer amphi, sorry for my ignorance`
`21:46.55`	`gaelabel`	`when i typed all i mean old lol`
`21:47.28`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: a program that generates 'photo-realistic' images`
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`21:48.11`	`gaelabel`	`so we can implement one if you want amphi`
`21:48.28`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: is the machine fast?`
`21:48.59`	`amphi`	`gaelabel: multiproc doesn't really help with povray, unless you render piecemeal`
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`21:50.41`	`k-man_`	`im getting this md5sum mismatch when i do an apt-get update`
`21:50.53`	`gaelabel`	`PIII 800 Mhz 256 RAM, but i have another faster (amd64 1GB ram, 250 GB HD) but probably i leave this one as server`
`21:50.59`	`infernix`	`hooboy, this rocks. RAT, remote desktop VNC helpdesk tool which connects the supporter and client through a server, and has jars for both the supporter and client. works on all platforms. and open source :)`
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`21:54.51`	`k-man_`	`anyone else encountered this problem with md5sum mismatch?`
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`21:55.02`	`k-man_`	`when you do an apt-get update?`
`21:55.48`	`g333k_work`	`hi, why does everytime that I reboot I lost my audio configuration?why my debian doesnt save the configuration?`
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`21:56.00`	`limbeaux`	`i usually do it before i apt-get install -- they way it is up to date when you install`
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`21:56.16`	`infernix`	`!tell k-man_ about fudo`
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`21:58.05`	`k-man_`	`infernix, thanks, why is it called fudo?`
`21:58.07`	`limbeaux`	`just did a testing install, the install only set up one NIC. I have 2 of them. how do i get it to recognize the other card`
`21:58.37`	`streuner`	`limbeaux: use /msg dpkg dl`
`21:59.00`	`streuner`	`limbeaux: is the module already loaded for the NIC?`
`21:59.01`	`gaelabel`	`i am not sure, but i think you shoul install the module and add the ethX to /etc/networking/interfaces`
`21:59.04`	`k-man_`	`oh, and i get the same error with a different mirror`
`21:59.25`	`streuner`	`k-man_: just remove the deb itself and download it again`
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`21:59.49`	`streuner`	`!fudo`
`21:59.49`	`dpkg`	`methinks fudo is due to a bad mirror sync, some repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors>`
`21:59.54`	`k-man_`	`streuner, which deb? it happens on the packages.bz2 file when i do apt-get update`
`21:59.58`	`limbeaux`	`not sure. it was recognized during setup because i was asked which one i wanted to configure. only eth0 shows up in ifconfig`
`22:00.01`	`streuner`	`oh`
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`22:00.23`	`k-man_`	`hang on, i ran apt-setup but it seems not to have changed my mirror`
`22:00.26`	`k-man_`	`standby`
`22:00.33`	`jelly`	`what does fudo stand for?`
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`22:01.00`	`streuner`	`fucked debian org? ;-)`
`22:01.12`	`cydork`	`streuner, heheheh`
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`22:01.17`	`streuner`	`!factinfo fudo`
`22:01.18`	`dpkg`	`fudo -- created by stew <~stew@mudskipper.vireo.org> 3d 23h 4m 20s ago; it has been requested 121 times, last by cydork, 24s ago.`
`22:01.22`	`streuner`	`ask stew then`
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`22:01.43`	`anaUbuntu`	`Hola`
`22:01.57`	`bucky`	`hi analbuntu`
`22:02.11`	`anaUbuntu`	`HI :)`
`22:02.17`	`anaUbuntu`	`como te llamas`
`22:02.23`	`cydork`	`!es`
`22:02.23`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`22:03.11`	`limbeaux`	`ok, the driver i believe is available, it is a 3C905b . how do i get it installed in debian. i have a console only - no desktop`
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`22:03.53`	`streuner`	`limbeaux: dmesg \| grep -i eth`
`22:04.48`	`cydork`	`limbeaux, man interfaces`
`22:05.47`	`streuner`	`limbeaux: did the kernel regonise the NIC?`
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`22:07.52`	`tkup`	`is there a magic buttong that can render everything-text on my mozilla-thunderbird email client?`
`22:08.03`	`tkup`	`s/g//`
`22:08.16`	`limbeaux`	`eth1 was not listed in interfaces`
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`22:08.33`	`cydork`	`limbeaux, that why you have to put it there.`
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`22:16.29`	`CHodapp`	`Hmm, why does it want to remove gnome if I install kde-devel?`
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`22:18.15`	`lunitik`	`CHodapp: aptitude install kde-devel should tell you what conflicts...`
`22:18.48`	`CHodapp`	`it includes the KDE headers`
`22:19.26`	`noob_`	`my Net::FTP put command isn't working.. if I use "put ("filename");" .. it transmits fine, but if I use put ("filename","newfilename"); " .. it fails.`
`22:19.28`	`lunitik`	`CHodapp: didn't even know it was there... weird naming... aptitude should tell you why things are to be removed though...`
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`22:19.49`	`CHodapp`	`lunitik, yes, cool... it told me 3 broken packages`
`22:20.21`	`lindi-`	`bit offtopic but i'm trying to build tuxguitar package with gnu classpath and i got it to run but now it fails with "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory" since the development server has no alsa support. is there some way to redirect the audio from the server to my local system (like esddsp did with OSS)?`
`22:20.28`	`CHodapp`	`wait, it offered another solution that involved no removal`
`22:20.49`	`lindi-`	`i've tried what http://www.cendio.com/support/tag/sound-redirection.html suggests and strace shows that ~/.asoundrc is read before accessing /dev/snd/seq`
`22:20.53`	`lunitik`	`CHodapp: does it get you what you want?`
`22:21.07`	`CHodapp`	`I think... but`
`22:21.24`	`CHodapp`	`....I'm still trying to see what synaptic wanted to do...`
`22:21.28`	`lunitik`	`CHodapp: if you hit 'n' it will offer you another solution... else 'q' to go back to cli`
`22:21.36`	`CHodapp`	`Yeah, I figured that out`
`22:23.16`	`sng`	`MatBoy: For two dollars I'll beat you with a stick till you get detached corneas.`
`22:23.39`	`MatBoy`	`sng... sorry, no beer for you :p`
`22:24.07`	`noob_`	`would somebody please show me how to use Net::FTP to upload a file named with a timestamp? -- currently, I'm using: $ftpobj -> put ("file"); $ftpobj -> rename ("file","newname"); but it's not working.`
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`22:24.34`	`noob_`	`where newname is "date +%m%d%Y_file";`
`22:24.51`	`sng`	`MatBoy: Doesn't hardly seem fair. I mean two bucks is pretty cheap of that kind of a beating. :)`
`22:25.10`	`stew`	`jelly: streuner: the original problem was with Ftp.Us.Debian.Org`
`22:26.03`	`MatBoy`	`sng, damn... If I ask someon to lean me 10K I spend it and say.. I can't pay you back... I have twice fun :P`
`22:26.44`	`jelly`	`stew: thanks for the info`
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`22:27.54`	`sng`	`Hehe.`
`22:28.04`	`MatBoy`	`sng, beat me on that point :P`
`22:28.30`	`noob_`	`Net::FTP -- getting this error: Cannot renamePermission denied. Filename 'date +%m%d%Y_%s' is illegal.`
`22:28.51`	`MatBoy`	`sng, you can do the same with sex... if you want SM and you don;t want to pay... you have sex... dan you say... sorry girl I can;t pay you... and you will be beaten :p`
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`22:31.58`	`zenwryly`	`anyone doing zope/plone apache2 virtual hosting on debian? My apache (1) configuration has died for some reason and I'd love to switch to apache2 and make my configuration more proper while I'm at it. What should I put in a /etc/apache2/sites-available/file for proxying a zope instance?`
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`22:33.03`	`noob_`	`trying to use gmtime()."file" .. that's not working either.`
`22:33.22`	`haraldhv`	`I can't find a package to alsa output for xmms anywhere. has it disappeared?`
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`22:34.48`	`jaras`	`i wan't to install debian but i'm a little confused about wich version i should get cause i have heard that debian stable is a bit old...`
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`22:36.30`	`limbeaux`	`woo hoo it is all working now. my dhcp server disappeared -- literally`
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`22:37.10`	`limbeaux`	`i logged into my M$ server, went to the dhcp snapin and there was nothing there. a reboot and it is back #@$@ windows`
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`22:37.34`	`limbeaux`	`sorry wrong chat room`
`22:38.00`	`limbeaux`	`about the ms stuff. Thanks for the help with my nick. it is now working!!`
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`22:39.36`	`Wonds`	`hey`
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`22:40.18`	`Wonds`	`i have come to mess up my system by using multiple apt sources, stable/testing/3th party`
`22:40.38`	`Wonds`	`is there a way to reset everything`
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`22:40.54`	`SethW`	`running kernel 2.6, I want to forward anything coming in on eth0 5904 to another ip's:5904. I've followed iptables stuff that I've found, and it looks right, but the traffic just doesn't seem to be moving`
`22:41.00`	`haraldhv`	`Wonds: set just a single source, then update everything`
`22:41.31`	`Wonds`	`haraldhv, kinde hard to update everything from stable when you have it from testing`
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`22:42.00`	`roler`	`after editing grub's menu.lst, do I have to run a command or can I just reboot?`
`22:42.05`	`SethW`	`wonds: ustable is more stable than testing`
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`22:42.12`	`cydork`	`roler, just reboot`
`22:42.17`	`roler`	`thanks`
`22:42.22`	`stew`	`Wonds: don't mix testing and stable. use one or the other. once you upgrade some packages to testing you cannot go back`
`22:42.38`	`Wonds`	`hmmm`
`22:42.52`	`cydork`	`Wonds, or use backports.`
`22:42.55`	`Wonds`	`i was afraid there wansnt any easy way :/`
`22:43.06`	`SethW`	`stew: I thought testing was often broken for long periods of time, but unstabe was usually quickly fixed....`
`22:43.38`	`stew`	`SethW: yes`
`22:43.47`	`stew`	`SethW: but unstable breaks more often`
`22:45.06`	`SethW`	`Wonds: the easiest way to roll back for me was always to archive off my home directory and any etc settings, then wipe and reinstall & restore`
`22:45.15`	`SethW`	`& var`
`22:46.16`	`roler`	`Thanks :)`
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`22:48.44`	`novata_peleona`	`hi...`
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`22:48.54`	`Rica`	`Hia, I found some errors in memtest86's results , the system works correctly, can I 'safely' keep my mem or should I change it / do something specific ?`
`22:49.24`	`novata_peleona`	`any graphical editor which allows openning files from ftp server?. Quanta does not.`
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`22:51.23`	`Piet`	`Rica: memtest86+ offers an option to store the test results to a file. you can then pass this information to the kernel to make it not use this bits of your memory`
`22:51.51`	`Rica`	`oh ! Nice... its there any link you could give that I find how to do that ?`
`22:51.55`	`Piet`	`check the memtest86+ package description for more hints`
`22:51.59`	`Rica`	`thanks`
`22:52.23`	`Piet`	`however, if you have enough money, consider buying new RAM instead`
`22:52.47`	`Rica`	`Could it be possible that errors come from a bad Bios Config ?`
`22:53.10`	`Piet`	`Rica: also make sure you checked the bug tracker for memtest86+ as it contains hints on false positives.`
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`22:53.15`	`DingoK`	`for all you bash people out there...help a new guy out. I want to invoke 'wc -l' recursively on a directory to count all the lines in all the files of the current directory and subdirectories. How would i do this ?`
`22:53.23`	`Rica`	`(got around 700 errors at the 3rd test pass on "kernel memtest86" boot test`
`22:53.46`	`Rica`	`ok going to check all that right now Piet, thanks for this tips.`
`22:54.04`	`Piet`	`Rica: i can't tell if its the bios`
`22:54.11`	`Piet`	`np`
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`22:55.04`	`cydork`	`DingoK, ask #bash`
`22:55.22`	`Rica`	`We cant tell it's the bios , but is it possible that a bios config is faulty ?`
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`22:55.30`	`Piet`	`DingoK: grep -c, not wc -l`
`22:55.31`	`sid`	`novata_peleona: gftp?`
`22:56.03`	`Piet`	`Rica: if you assume that's so, write down all the configuration you have right now, and restore the bios setup defaults`
`22:56.12`	`novata_peleona`	`sid, allows ftp openning files?`
`22:56.34`	`DingoK`	`piet: hm?`
`22:56.35`	`Rica`	`(already done... same errors.. so I assume it's not a bios config problems :p )`
`22:56.40`	`Piet`	`and run the test then, after having malde sure you set the right amount of physical ram in your bios (if it offers that option)`
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`22:57.39`	`cydork`	`!tell novata_peleona about gftp`
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`22:57.47`	`Piet`	`DingoK: i find grep -c more useful than wc -l for this purpose, also as grep allows for recursion`
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`22:59.06`	`tremor`	`good evening *`
`22:59.31`	`SJr\|nx`	`Hmmmm I tried messaging dpkg about testing security, and following the message without verification and it still says packages can't be verified`
`23:00.05`	`novata_peleona`	`cydork, wanna say. not important for get risk yes?`
`23:00.36`	`cydork`	`novata_peleona, well it's sid :P`
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`23:00.59`	`novata_peleona`	`wanna look better`
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`23:04.39`	`mads`	`hej Tomze`
`23:05.06`	`Tomze`	`hola mads`
`23:07.46`	`jaras`	`what would you recomend unstable or testing?`
`23:07.56`	`MatBoy`	`jaras, for a workstation ?`
`23:08.08`	`jaras`	`MatBoy: yes`
`23:08.10`	`MatBoy`	`jaras, Etch (testing) than.`
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`23:08.52`	`Vasistha`	`grr. it's annoying that I have to /join #debian in order to get answers from dpkg :P`
`23:08.57`	`jaras`	`MatBoy: where can i get the iso for it can't seem to find others than the stable one on the site`
`23:09.14`	`sid`	`Vasistha: yea that is annoying`
`23:09.23`	`sid`	`I wish I didn't have to be in #debian when I want factoids`
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`23:09.31`	`sid`	`I'm sure dondelelcaro has a good reason for doing it like that though.`
`23:09.36`	`sid`	`So the bot doesn't get flooded or something.`
`23:09.45`	`sid`	`Or maybe just to up #debian's user stats`
`23:09.49`	`MatBoy`	`jaras, take the net-install-iso form debian.org`
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`23:10.07`	`jaras`	`MatBoy : ok will try`
`23:10.07`	`sid`	`damn, we're almost at 600 people now. We were at 300 for a long time`
`23:10.07`	`sid`	`It must be dpkg`
`23:10.12`	`Vasistha`	`yeah, probably. oh well. I also realized that I can't tell people to, e.g., /msg dpkg enter -- when I am not talking to them in #debian`
`23:10.33`	`SJr\|nx`	`how do I echo a newline character?`
`23:10.54`	`MatBoy`	`sid, are you feeling lonely now ?`
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`23:11.24`	`Vasistha`	`SJr\|nx: off the top of my head, I believe it's echo -e '\n'`
`23:12.00`	`MatBoy`	`SJr\|nx, in PHP-code ?`
`23:12.07`	`SJr\|nx`	`no`
`23:12.31`	`MatBoy`	`ow than it was simple <br> :p`
`23:12.32`	`SJr\|nx`	`I'm spoofing my newb friend with echo >> /dev/pts`
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`23:12.42`	`MatBoy`	`ah ok`
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`23:13.14`	`jedix`	`hey, I'm having a problem mapping caps to an extra control key.. setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps`
`23:13.17`	`jedix`	`returns an error`
`23:13.26`	`jedix`	`Couldn't find rules file (xorg)`
`23:13.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`Vasistha: you can join #debian-bots if you want; that's partially what that channel is for`
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`23:14.07`	`Vasistha`	`dondelelcaro: ah, thanks for the tip!`
`23:14.09`	`MatBoy`	`!sex (let's see what dpkg has to say)`
`23:14.10`	`dpkg`	`(let's see what dpkg has to say) is about 4% vegetable`
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`23:14.15`	`MatBoy`	`haha`
`23:14.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`Vasistha: but you have to be in at least one channel that dpkg is in for it to answer; primarily so that you can't flood it.`
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`23:18.12`	`jedix`	`sorry about the paste`
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`23:22.28`	`skymox`	`http://arbs2day.com/files/lebanon.htm`
`23:22.36`	`skymox`	`the war :s`
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`23:24.03`	`tkup`	`there's war? where?`
`23:24.20`	`skymox`	`liban`
`23:24.30`	`Pons`	`lebanon`
`23:24.45`	`Pons`	`tkup, a lil selfish answer`
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`23:25.18`	`liable`	`skymox: i am sure that anyone wishing to keep up to date with it, is. no need to spam #debian with it.`
`23:26.22`	`Pons`	`liable, don't think it is spam.. it's just reality`
`23:26.51`	`skymox`	`that the reality of the war in liban`
`23:27.55`	`liable`	`Pons: I am not calling the war spam, just mentioning that its irelevant to this channel`
`23:28.17`	`lunitik`	`Pons: might be reality, but its certainly not relivant to #debian`
`23:28.33`	`tkup`	`skymox, quoique je compassionne avec le peuple Libanais, les pauvres citoyens endurent bien plus qu'aucun d'entre nous ne puisse imaginer`
`23:28.42`	`lunitik`	`!fr`
`23:28.43`	`dpkg`	`[fr] Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debianfr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr (irc.debian.org)`
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`23:29.32`	`lunitik`	`!talk`
`23:29.33`	`dpkg`	`i heard talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand.`
`23:29.51`	`lunitik`	`woot... finally fixed the bot ^_^`
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`23:30.55`	`SJr\|nx`	`How do I remount a file system`
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`23:31.48`	`tkup`	`I think that our main problem as gents who are interested in technology is our out-of-touch sens of reality. If only we could think outside the box we'd probably achieve miracles`
`23:31.49`	`lunitik`	`SJr\|nx: umount and mount again?`
`23:31.51`	`liable`	`SJr\|nx: mount -o remount /foo`
`23:31.55`	`SJr\|nx`	`hmmm`
`23:31.58`	`SJr\|nx`	`what if foo is root`
`23:31.58`	`SJr\|nx`	`:P`
`23:32.07`	`lunitik`	`liable: ahh... didn't know that...`
`23:32.15`	`SJr\|nx`	`lol`
`23:32.51`	`liable`	`SJr\|nx: do it`
`23:32.54`	`jelly`	`SJr\|nx: what if foo is root?`
`23:32.58`	`lunitik`	`SJr\|nx: shouldn't matter... fs is in memory probably... can still remount it... although I don't take responsibility if it fucks something up`
`23:33.00`	`SJr\|nx`	`I ran echo -e "rm -rf /\nAre you sure (y/n)?y\nPlease wait" >> /dev/pts/2 on my friends system, so he aborted and ran fsck and ignored the warning of running on a mounted fs`
`23:33.52`	`Vasistha`	`SJr\|nx: I think that's not cool.`
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`23:34.03`	`SJr\|nx`	`:P`
`23:34.08`	`lunitik`	`SJr\|nx: it would let you... although I have no idea what the side effects would be... shouldn't be any afaik`
`23:34.45`	`Cooner750`	`Why, even though I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and even though I select 1280x1024, I can still only select up to 1024x768? Help`
`23:34.49`	`SJr\|nx`	`Vasistha, lol it's not like this is an important server`
`23:34.56`	`jelly`	`SJr\|nx: mount -o remount,ro / if one wants to run a fsck`
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`23:35.07`	`SJr\|nx`	`I tried that line except back to rw and it didn't work`
`23:35.17`	`jelly`	`lunitik: you can't umount root anyway`
`23:35.37`	`lunitik`	`jelly: ahh... I thought unix didn't stop you from doing things like that :(`
`23:35.45`	`phogg`	`umount -l / \|\| kill -9 1`
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`23:35.54`	`jelly`	`lunitik: it's just it makes no sense.`
`23:36.04`	`lunitik`	`phogg: why double pipe?`
`23:36.22`	`phogg`	`lunitik: in case you ca't umount root`
`23:36.26`	`jelly`	`phogg: umount -l is a linux 2.4+ specific thing. Have you tried it, btw? ;-)`
`23:36.27`	`phogg`	`can't*`
`23:36.39`	`lunitik`	`jelly: so? unix philosophy is to not stop people from doing silly things, as it also would limit intelligent things...`
`23:37.00`	`phogg`	`jelly: I have not tried it. If it failed then the kill of init would have b0rked the system just as well`
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`23:37.06`	`jplibre`	`with power comes responsibility`
`23:37.24`	`jplibre`	`or cluefulness`
`23:37.29`	`tkup`	`or corruption`
`23:37.40`	`phogg`	`with power comes the ability to screw yourself. Responsibility is a possible side effect`
`23:37.40`	`jelly`	`phogg: who cares about killing init, we're talking about umounting root :-)`
`23:37.51`	`jplibre`	`you're talking end results`
`23:37.57`	`lunitik`	`phogg: you don't learn if things don't break first ;)`
`23:37.57`	`jelly`	`jplibre: no.`
`23:37.59`	`jplibre`	`I'm talking methods`
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`23:38.14`	`Knorrie`	`grub-uninstall; halt`
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`23:38.30`	`Cooner750`	`Is there _anything_ I can do about this video problem?`
`23:38.41`	`lunitik`	`If things Just Work, no reason investigate or fix... thus no reason to learn`
`23:38.50`	`phogg`	`Knorrie: rm /boot/* ; halt`
`23:38.51`	`lunitik`	`Cooner750: care to elaborate?`
`23:38.59`	`jplibre`	`lunitik: nothing Just Works`
`23:39.12`	`Knorrie`	`phogg: shred /dev/hda`
`23:39.29`	`jplibre`	`someone designed it somehow even if it's obfuscated`
`23:39.35`	`lunitik`	`jelly: making sense, and being possible are two very different things ;)`
`23:39.45`	`phogg`	`Knorrie: ineffecient (read: slow)`
`23:39.49`	`lunitik`	`jelly: you just wouldn't be able to do much while its remounting...`
`23:39.52`	`Knorrie`	`phogg: heh`
`23:39.55`	`jelly`	`lunitik: ... and I don't think it's possible either.`
`23:40.05`	`Knorrie`	`phogg: eventually... the system will stop`
`23:40.16`	`lunitik`	`jelly: I find it hard to believe its not possible... and if its not, I'd consider that a bug.`
`23:40.19`	`jelly`	`lunitik: you wouldn't be able to resolve any path, since all start at root.`
`23:40.29`	`Cooner750`	`lunitik: I just stated my problem when I joined before. The video card is "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Mod el 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)", and even after I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, I am still unable to set the resolution to 1280x1024`
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`23:41.05`	`phogg`	`Knorrie: while true ; do kill -9 $RANDOM ; done # eventually the system will stop`
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`23:41.12`	`lunitik`	`jelly: depends... here... all thats in / is /bin /sbin and /boot... so things in /usr should be accessible still (in theory...)`
`23:41.24`	`jelly`	`lunitik: you can, however, move the current root away and replace it with another dir/mount point in linux.`
`23:41.28`	`lunitik`	`oh... and /etc`
`23:41.33`	`fbred`	`What's the best/fastest way to install debian, if I only have an usbstick and wlan availibale?`
`23:41.52`	`Knorrie`	`phogg: just do nothing... eventually the system will stop, or get on fire because of all the dust in the fans`
`23:41.56`	`lunitik`	`fbred: netinst is the only true way to install Debian :P`
`23:41.57`	`phogg`	`lunitik: /usr is in /`
`23:42.16`	`Knorrie`	`lunitik: debootstrap :)`
`23:42.28`	`lunitik`	`phogg: /usr is a seperate partition here...`
`23:42.30`	`Knorrie`	`installer not needed`
`23:42.47`	`lunitik`	`Knorrie: ahh... true...`
`23:42.47`	`SJr\|nx`	`is there away I can verify that all the files for my packages are still intact`
`23:42.50`	`streuner`	`!rube goldberg install`
`23:42.51`	`dpkg`	`"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."`
`23:43.11`	`Knorrie`	`lol`
`23:43.25`	`phogg`	`I actually do want to install Debian with 2.6, but I can't boot from CD and I have no network card.`
`23:43.38`	`jelly`	`I once tried to debootstrap into /dev/shm and repartiotion the boot drive without rebooting.`
`23:43.43`	`Knorrie`	`SJr\|nx: yes there is`
`23:43.47`	`fbred`	`lunitik, i tried writing the netinstaller on the usbstick, (hoped it would install the base-system, but it stops because it doesn't find a dhcp)`
`23:43.56`	`lunitik`	`!usb install`
`23:43.56`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/`
`23:44.02`	`Cooner750`	`Does anyone know what my problem is?`
`23:44.13`	`SJr\|nx`	`Knorrie how's that?`
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`23:44.46`	`lunitik`	`Cooner750: using vesa in xorg.conf? try 'nv' :/`
`23:45.09`	`lunitik`	`Cooner750: unless you have the nvidia official drivers installed... in which case... call nvidia`
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`23:47.03`	`Knorrie`	`SJr\|nx: 01:11 <boekenwurm_> hoe was het met Nadia?`
`23:47.08`	`Knorrie`	`SJr\|nx: hoo`
`23:47.11`	`SJr\|nx`	`?`
`23:47.12`	`Knorrie`	`SJr\|nx: other pase`
`23:47.14`	`Knorrie`	`paste`
`23:47.20`	`lunitik`	`Knorrie: come again?`
`23:47.28`	`streuner`	`fbred: there is nice website (austrian) for USB`
`23:47.30`	`Knorrie`	`SJr\|nx: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html`
`23:47.47`	`Knorrie`	`SJr\|nx: look at 6.4.14 Verify installed package files`
`23:47.57`	`Knorrie`	`lunitik: wrong paste buffer`
`23:48.17`	`Knorrie`	`SJr\|nx: hope that helps`
`23:49.52`	`streuner`	`fbred: How did you install the OS what actually is on that box?`
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`23:58.30`	`zenwryly`	`I've been getting "MD5Sum mismatch" errors on apt-get update from kernel.org sources recently. Anyone know anything about this?`
`23:59.31`	`Drizzt321`	`zenwryly: no, but i'm trying to netsall testing from the kernel.org mirror`
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