| 00:00.05 | zenwryly | Drizzt321: are you having problems? |
| 00:00.12 | Drizzt321 | seems to be getting stuck scanning the mirror at 50% :( |
| 00:00.26 | Drizzt321 | guess I'll have to restart the install. again. with a different source |
| 00:01.16 | Drizzt321 | zenwryly: so yes, I suppose you could say I'm having trouble |
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| 00:08.23 | raf256 | can anybody check, do you have sound in the chromium game? |
| 00:08.30 | raf256 | or other openal/alsa games |
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| 00:12.58 | k-man_ | im looking for an mp3 player that has some feature that would be useful for playing back parts of a song... ie repeat a-b |
| 00:13.01 | k-man_ | or something |
| 00:13.07 | k-man_ | for practicing guitar to at any rate |
| 00:13.10 | k-man_ | any suggestions? |
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| 00:13.55 | egarim | which is the best console browser ? lynks or elinks or other ? |
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| 00:14.02 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 00:14.04 | Shadowcat | !best |
| 00:14.04 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:15.49 | egarim | Shadowcat: the best for watch flash website in console :PP |
| 00:16.10 | Shadowcat | !beat egarim |
| 00:16.22 | egarim | come on the best for the webpage visualization on so on |
| 00:16.38 | egarim | !beat Shadowcat |
| 00:16.54 | Shadowcat | sigh you really don't get it do you |
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| 00:17.00 | Shadowcat | there is no best solution for anything |
| 00:17.06 | Shadowcat | hence there's no answer for your question |
| 00:17.30 | egarim | Shadowcat: ok lazy boy |
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| 00:17.44 | fbred | streuner, preinstalled xp ;) |
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| 00:18.08 | Jeems | hi |
| 00:18.24 | liable | hola |
| 00:18.42 | Jeems | Where in debian do I put my network interface parameters so that they load up on startup ? |
| 00:18.50 | Jeems | I've tried /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:19.06 | fbred | streuner, i managed to boot both sarge, testing and boot.img, the two first complains because it is no dhcp, the latter didn't work.. it just dumped me into a shell |
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| 00:21.34 | raf256 | is OpenAL screwed up in debian testing? or is it just my box |
| 00:22.18 | raf256 | it tries to open /dev/dsp instead using alsa and fails |
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| 00:22.52 | elkid | hm, where can i find the apt-setup? i dont have it, is it a diff package? |
| 00:22.54 | Shadowcat | openAL? |
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| 00:23.07 | raf256 | Shadowcat: open audio libraryr, like openGL |
| 00:23.15 | raf256 | game Chromium uses it for audio |
| 00:23.38 | Shadowcat | raf256: err /dev/dsp is your sound card, it's SUPPOSED to use that |
| 00:23.41 | dabreegster | Shadowcat: I believe it has to do with 3D positional sound or something |
| 00:23.41 | vick | Hello, i just installed debian 'etch' on my laptop, and in the xserver the mouse movement is really really slow compared to the movement i 'order' it to move, what is the place to look at ? |
| 00:23.50 | raf256 | dabreegster: when I use OSS. I don't, I use ALSA |
| 00:24.08 | dabreegster | raf256: O..kay. |
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| 00:24.27 | raf256 | dabreegster: all other programs like amarok, xmms, mplayer work witout touching /dev/dsp. |
| 00:24.43 | raf256 | sound apps developers, WAKE UP god damnit |
| 00:24.51 | dabreegster | raf256: With OSS? Are you sure? |
| 00:24.54 | jelly | raf256: as a last resort you can always try the aoss wrapper. |
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| 00:25.05 | raf256 | dabreegster: as I just said, I use ALSA, not oss |
| 00:25.12 | hardbop200 | quick question: I don't use kdm/gdm/xdm (prefer startx). Is there a command (dpkg-reconfigure _something_) that will allow me to change my default window manager (say, from flux to kde)? |
| 00:25.16 | raf256 | jelly: I couldnt get it to work |
| 00:25.21 | elkid | wich package is in apt-setup |
| 00:25.24 | dabreegster | raf256: Sorry, didn't understand that statement |
| 00:25.45 | raf256 | devels of oss should be smiten |
| 00:25.54 | raf256 | linux is so embarassing in sound support |
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| 00:26.19 | raf256 | why not just use ALSA and be done with incompatiblity problems |
| 00:26.59 | liable | elkid: its no longer in etch/sid (was in base-config in sarge) |
| 00:27.18 | jelly | raf256: why don't you fix the library code yourself to use alsa if you think it's developers that are at fault? |
| 00:27.33 | elkid | liable, do u know why was it took out from etch? |
| 00:27.54 | raf256 | jelly: fixing source of a lib seem rather hard |
| 00:28.10 | jelly | raf256: o rly? |
| 00:28.17 | raf256 | srlsy! |
| 00:28.37 | liable | elkid: its still in the installer, but no longer available after install. I dont know why they did that |
| 00:29.57 | timalot | i am using Debian 3.1 with mysql 4.0 ... i need a feature in a later version of mysql... are there any problems with the testing mysql5 packages? |
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| 00:30.16 | liable | timalot: prolly better to get from backports.org |
| 00:30.29 | raf256 | if I fix that librarry, how to compile & install it, but normally, not into the /local/ thingy (like /usr/local/...) but as main librarry (overwritting the one from debian package) |
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| 00:30.52 | timalot | liable: thanx ill take a look |
| 00:31.18 | liable | raf256: just build it with dpkg-buildpackage and install |
| 00:32.00 | liable | raf256: the debian/rules file should be taken care of if you get the source from the repos |
| 00:32.11 | jelly | raf256: It might be better to file a bug report, you can add your patch to it if you get it to work. |
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| 00:34.31 | azeem | raf256: behave |
| 00:34.49 | raf256 | azeem: isnt reporting bugs good? |
| 00:34.49 | vick | The acceleration in gxset had a maximuim of 100 which was that what i was using, and changing the threshold in gxset didn't make any diffrence in the mouse movement, it's still moving really slow, is there any other places that i can l ook at ? [ I am using Dell Inspiron 510m and Debian 'etch' ] |
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| 00:36.04 | Generic | what's the command to renew the ip? |
| 00:36.07 | lunitik | azeem: does he ever? |
| 00:36.24 | azeem | lunitik: he's on probation |
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| 00:36.54 | vick | amphi, are you still there ? |
| 00:37.03 | amphi | uhuh |
| 00:37.10 | raf256 | damn, the bug might be in openAL or in ALUT :/ |
| 00:39.01 | jelly | raf256: fwiw, aoss works on the only openal app I currently have installed, a screensaver from rss-glx package called skyrocket |
| 00:39.12 | jelly | raf256: this is on etch |
| 00:39.28 | raf256 | jelly: how to "start" it / set it up / whatever? |
| 00:39.44 | raf256 | even root can't do echo "xxx" > /dev/dsp I get file bussy |
| 00:39.52 | jelly | raf256: aoss your-program |
| 00:39.53 | raf256 | yet lsof | grep dsp shows nothing |
| 00:40.18 | lunitik | jelly: a screensaver with sound? |
| 00:40.29 | jelly | lunitik: yes. |
| 00:40.34 | raf256 | interesting |
| 00:40.47 | raf256 | with aoss it works differently, gives error native_blitbuffer: select error occured |
| 00:40.53 | jelly | lunitik: it is ;-) |
| 00:41.13 | amphi | vick: what made you ask? |
| 00:41.13 | raf256 | and aoss chromimu DO work! |
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| 00:41.25 | raf256 | although still it should use ALSA not OSS |
| 00:41.47 | jelly | raf256: so report a bug for libopenalwhatever |
| 00:42.49 | raf256 | am I helping with such bug reports? I probably lack knowlage to FIX the bug all by myself |
| 00:43.14 | vick | amphi, well i am trying to configure synaptics driver |
| 00:43.23 | jelly | raf256: well at least someone will notice it and hopefully report to upstream |
| 00:43.30 | vick | amphi, i opened qsynaptics, not much of a help tho |
| 00:44.11 | amphi | vick: I don't know anything about it, except how to stop tap-to-click ;) I don't use it myself, I disabled my trackpad |
| 00:45.15 | planetsim | is it possible to mount a drive with bad sectors? |
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| 00:46.22 | vick | amphi, oh ok, thanks so |
| 00:46.22 | vick | :D |
| 00:46.25 | vick | later all |
| 00:47.40 | lunitik | planetsim: sure... should probably run fsck on it though so it doesn't try to use those bad sectors... |
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| 00:51.37 | Jeems | hmm I wonder why my wireless card is being give an eth prefix |
| 00:51.40 | Jeems | rather than a wlan |
| 00:52.06 | lunitik | Jeems: because thats what /etc/network/interfaces is defining for it? |
| 00:52.46 | Jeems | how would that be defined? |
| 00:55.23 | lunitik | Jeems: afaik, doesn't matter what its called... it just takes whatever interface is available... can be 'ilikesheeptheyresoft0' for all it cares |
| 00:55.39 | liable | Jeems: you can write/change a udev rule for it and name it whatever you like |
| 00:55.54 | liable | if you have udev... |
| 00:55.56 | Jeems | but it doesn't affect the encapsulation or anything like that |
| 00:55.59 | Jeems | ? |
| 00:56.11 | lunitik | Jeems: shouldn't effect anything, no... |
| 00:56.20 | Jeems | cool |
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| 00:57.49 | lunitik | Jeems: I think, if you define a wlan0 interface, or install something that configures that, it will take that by default though... |
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| 01:00.10 | abrotman | dude .. stop whining about it |
| 01:00.14 | lunitik | I keep banning music I don't want to hear... but it still plays similar things :( |
| 01:00.20 | lunitik | abrotman: its annoying damnit :'( |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | use pandorasbox |
| 01:00.43 | abrotman | erm .. pandora |
| 01:01.13 | lunitik | abrotman: what that? I use lastfm because I can skip things... pandora lets you do that? |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | maybe you should check it out .. or learn how to use lastfm |
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| 01:01.46 | abrotman | mine works fine |
| 01:01.52 | lunitik | Until then, he'll complain a lot... |
| 01:02.05 | lunitik | abrotman: you seem to only scrobble though, not listen to its stations etc... |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | maybe it knows rap is crap? and is trying to change your music choices |
| 01:02.18 | lunitik | abrotman: impossible |
| 01:02.30 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. i odn't scrobble .. i *only* listen to the stations |
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| 01:04.20 | lunitik | Trying to fix it via banning and loving almost every song... |
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| 01:04.36 | lunitik | s/and/or/ |
| 01:06.05 | lunitik | abrotman: I'll try to stop rambling about it in here though, sorry :o |
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| 01:06.36 | abrotman | lunitik: i think you can reset your preferences |
| 01:07.01 | lunitik | abrotman: I've seen an option for that... but I can't find it now that I'm looking :( |
| 01:07.34 | abrotman | good job |
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| 01:08.52 | lunitik | 2500 songs played is a lot to reset though... should be much more personalized by now :( |
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| 01:11.01 | sid | If I have a laptop that does s-video output. And a tv that only has analog cable input...output my laptop screen onto my tv? |
| 01:11.05 | sid | with Debian GNU / Linux |
| 01:11.10 | diilbertAtWork | What would the Java Runtime PAckage be called |
| 01:11.13 | sid | Is there a cable/converter that does that? |
| 01:11.18 | diilbertAtWork | I can't seem to track it down |
| 01:11.20 | Zweideutig | How hard would it be to get Debian Sarge upgraded to glibc 2.4? |
| 01:11.21 | sid | diilbertAtWork: apt-cache search jdk |
| 01:11.27 | sid | diilbertAtWork: It's only in unstable non-free |
| 01:11.49 | lunitik | sid: yes... although it tends to look like crap unless you have a digital TV |
| 01:12.12 | Zweideutig | I don't see any packages for glibc 2.4. |
| 01:12.12 | deadcat_ | Zweideutig: hard |
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| 01:12.38 | sid | lunitik: How do I know if I have a digital tv? |
| 01:13.08 | azeem | Zweideutig: what kernel are you running? |
| 01:13.25 | lunitik | sid: umm... you just do... it would have told you when you brought it... |
| 01:13.26 | azeem | Zweideutig: not even etch will use glibc-2.4 |
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| 01:13.37 | Zweideutig | azeem: 2.2.8 on my Debian system, 2.6.17 on the system I'm building. |
| 01:13.52 | gothenburg | lol |
| 01:13.54 | azeem | Zweideutig: I very much doubt glibc-2.4 supports 2.2 kernels |
| 01:13.56 | Zweideutig | Is glibc-2.4 too bleeding edge and likely to be unstable? |
| 01:14.02 | gothenburg | 2.2.8.. old |
| 01:14.03 | Zweideutig | Err |
| 01:14.04 | vick | Hello, when i leave the system for like 20 minutes, this blank black screen comes on, is there a way i can remove that ? |
| 01:14.08 | azeem | it doesn't support 2.4 kernels by upstream even |
| 01:14.08 | Zweideutig | I mean 2.6.8 |
| 01:14.12 | diilbertAtWork | sid: thanks that is the reason I can't find it :d |
| 01:14.32 | lunitik | vick: you're being serious? heh |
| 01:14.32 | Zweideutig | vick: Yes, use the anykey. |
| 01:14.33 | vick | i'm using fluxbox if that have anything to do with it |
| 01:14.41 | azeem | Zweideutig: what do you need glibc-2.4 forß? |
| 01:14.43 | Zweideutig | vick: No. |
| 01:14.44 | vick | Zweideutig, any key ? |
| 01:14.51 | Zweideutig | azeem: Maybe I don't. |
| 01:14.51 | lunitik | vick: xscreensaver ? |
| 01:14.52 | deadcat_ | vick: xset |
| 01:15.15 | Zweideutig | I think I'll go back to glibc 2.3.1. |
| 01:15.27 | vick | lunitik, what makes you think that's xscreensaver ? |
| 01:15.31 | sid | lunitik: I have an ati card in my laptop. And I use the free software "ati" drivers that come in debian main with xorg 7.0; How can I be sure I can even use s-video out? |
| 01:15.53 | deadcat_ | vick: its not.. ps -ef |grep screensav |
| 01:16.04 | lunitik | vick: flux doesn't have a screensaver ... afaik, has to be xscreensaver or xlockmore... |
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| 01:16.37 | deadcat_ | lunitik: it doesnt requires a screensaver for the screen to go blank |
| 01:17.05 | vick | just configured xset, thanks a lot |
| 01:17.33 | lunitik | deadcat_: I've never seen X do that without such things... even KDE doesn't go blank without screensavers installed |
| 01:17.47 | Zweideutig | I shouldn't have as mucb trouble if I use the same version on both the Debian machine and the system I'm building. |
| 01:17.51 | deadcat_ | lunitik: well he aint using kde.. |
| 01:18.34 | lunitik | deadcat_: flux hasn't gone blank after days of no use here before... terminal goes blank if you leave it long enough, but not X without such a mechanism afaik |
| 01:19.10 | deadcat_ | lunitik: man xset |
| 01:19.12 | jelly-home | lunitik: that's exactly why xset dpms ... is very useful |
| 01:19.24 | deadcat_ | lunitik: and search for dpms |
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| 01:20.38 | jelly-home | lunitik: it's not set by default, I have "xset dpms 300 300 300" in my .xsession |
| 01:20.39 | lunitik | Else X would have gone blank with no screensavers installed here... |
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| 01:21.07 | lunitik | jelly-home: so, surely vick would know about that if thats what is doing it? |
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| 01:21.35 | aicrag | is there a problem w/the python package in unstable or is it just me that broke it? |
| 01:21.39 | jelly-home | lunitik: dunno, I've just reconnected and can't see the beginning of the discussion. |
| 01:21.47 | deadcat_ | aicrag: just you |
| 01:21.50 | hardbop200 | lkkllkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk;./ |
| 01:21.51 | hardbop200 | xs/sx' |
| 01:21.52 | hardbop200 | ''''as |
| 01:21.55 | hardbop200 | 'd' |
| 01:22.03 | deadcat_ | hardbop200: maybe |
| 01:22.09 | lunitik | jelly-home: he just asked how to stop fluxbox from going blank ... which to me says he doesn't know about anything thats doing it... |
| 01:22.26 | aicrag | it's telling me that python2.3 is not installable. Why not :( |
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| 01:22.30 | lunitik | jelly-home: although thank you for pointing out xset ... never looked into it before |
| 01:23.06 | lunitik | aicrag: what dist? |
| 01:23.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell aicrag -about bat |
| 01:23.24 | dondelelcaro | aicrag: follow those instructions and give us the output from them. |
| 01:23.31 | aicrag | no instructions. |
| 01:23.48 | lunitik | aicrag: read what dpkg just msg'ed you |
| 01:23.52 | aicrag | it didn't. |
| 01:24.12 | jelly-home | does /msg still require a nick to be registered? |
| 01:24.42 | aicrag | there, I just got it. |
| 01:24.42 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it won't matter, because dpkg's nick is registered, and it's identified. |
| 01:25.06 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: oh, so just the sender. makes sense (for antispam) |
| 01:25.25 | Jeems | guya |
| 01:25.27 | Jeems | guys |
| 01:25.39 | Jeems | how can I find out what driver my wlan card is using? |
| 01:26.04 | deadcat_ | Jeems: what wlan card you have? |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | lunitik: dpms |
| 01:26.18 | sid | Jeems: lsmod |
| 01:26.26 | jelly-home | Jeems: perhaps by checking out the last link in /msg dpkg hcl |
| 01:26.33 | deadcat_ | abrotman: you slow. that conversation ended 10min ago |
| 01:26.38 | lunitik | abrotman: little behind... :P |
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| 01:26.59 | abrotman | maybe if you guys would talk faster .. it was still on my screen! |
| 01:27.14 | deadcat_ | oh. blame us!! |
| 01:27.20 | Jeems | hmm nope can't see it there |
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| 01:27.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: add some timestamps then :-P |
| 01:27.30 | deadcat_ | Jeems: WHAT card? |
| 01:27.48 | aicrag | I pasted the output in #flood as directed. |
| 01:27.52 | xevious | i'm just setting up a printer with cups. do i want to use the foomatic+gimp-print or the foomatic+gutenprint driver? |
| 01:27.58 | Jeems | it'a built in - im pretty sure it's intel |
| 01:28.06 | lunitik | aicrag: more likely to be looked at if you use a pastebot :/ |
| 01:28.07 | xevious | i saw something in aptitude about gutenprint supplanting gimp-print |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: takes too much space |
| 01:28.20 | deadcat_ | Jeems: lsmod |egrep "ipw|iwp" |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | too much |
| 01:28.38 | jelly-home | f*n xhcat |
| 01:28.38 | liable | aicrag: um, you are using which version of debian? |
| 01:28.46 | hardbop200 | everyone - sorry, my 2 year old got to the keyboard. sorry for the noise in the room |
| 01:28.52 | xevious | ah |
| 01:28.53 | Jeems | nope no results |
| 01:29.03 | xevious | i should just read :) |
| 01:29.06 | xevious | nevermind :) |
| 01:29.07 | aicrag | liable: unstable. |
| 01:29.31 | deadcat_ | Jeems: does it even detected? what does iwconfig show? |
| 01:29.55 | Jeems | shows an if with wireless extensions on eth1 |
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| 01:30.20 | liable | hrm, i wonder when they'll package ipw3945 |
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| 01:30.32 | deadcat_ | Jeems: maybe its using the orinoco driver. lsmod |grep orinoco |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | lunitik: dpms |
| 01:30.55 | Jeems | ahhh yes |
| 01:30.57 | Jeems | hermes |
| 01:31.07 | deadcat_ | Jeems: so its not intel. |
| 01:31.09 | aicrag | heh |
| 01:31.12 | Jeems | doh! |
| 01:31.27 | deadcat_ | Jeems: more prism i am guessing. |
| 01:31.43 | Jeems | oooh now that would be good |
| 01:31.55 | Jeems | I could use this box to double as a repeater |
| 01:31.58 | deadcat_ | if you know how to utilize the power of it |
| 01:32.19 | liable | Jeems: see which module is using ieee80211 |
| 01:32.44 | dondelelcaro | aicrag: use aptitude or similar to walk the dependency graph to see why python2.3 can't be installed. Most likely one of the packages it depends upon cannot be installed. |
| 01:33.09 | Jeems | I dont see that listed liable |
| 01:33.29 | liable | Jeems: paste your lsmod output to a paster then |
| 01:34.18 | aicrag | dondelelcaro: I'm missing something I guess. I see nothing in the --help or man page for aptitude that mentions a "dependency graph" |
| 01:34.19 | lunitik | liable: you're assuming its loaded... maybe he needs ndiswrapper? |
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| 01:35.46 | lunitik | aicrag: does python2.3 say why it can't be installed? try installing the package it complains about explicitly... keep doing that until you find the real reason... this is what is meant by "dependency graph" afaik |
| 01:36.10 | liable | lunitik: i guess, if he needs ndiswrapper he would have had to install it though, and it doesnt sound like he has done that |
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| 01:36.13 | Jeems | anyone know an url for a good paster ? |
| 01:36.24 | liable | !paste |
| 01:36.24 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:36.35 | lunitik | liable: I think he's assuming its loaded... I'm not sure it is.... |
| 01:36.52 | Jeems | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3349 |
| 01:36.57 | timalot | why has mysql source package on backports.org got "dfg" in its name? (mysql-dfsg-5.0) ... ? whats the naming convention on backports.org? |
| 01:37.10 | andy | Hi what tool (or tool in some .deb package) do I use to decompress .sit files? |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | a mac archive |
| 01:37.31 | CHodapp | andy, I dunno, but it's StuffIt |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | !.sit |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | !sit |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:37.44 | dvs | roll over |
| 01:37.48 | liable | Jeems: its orinoco.. |
| 01:38.07 | andy | great thanks guys, just never say this fromat before |
| 01:38.31 | Jeems | hmmm |
| 01:38.38 | aicrag | argh |
| 01:39.03 | aicrag | this is getting worse ;) |
| 01:39.05 | lunitik | CHodapp: seems he's sol wrt debian archive... apt-cache search stuffit returns nothing... |
| 01:39.15 | xevious | i'm getting this error from apt-get update: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/non-free Packages |
| 01:39.18 | xevious | help? |
| 01:39.21 | andy | yeah I just saw that too |
| 01:39.38 | lunitik | aicrag: eventually you'll figure out exactly what is broken or missing, and can install that... |
| 01:39.43 | CHodapp | andy, I've got a Mac emulator in front of me here, if you want me to extract it for you, I can |
| 01:39.51 | lunitik | (from somewhere other than the archive...) |
| 01:39.53 | Jeems | that doesn't help me tell what driver to supply wpa_supplicant |
| 01:40.04 | Jeems | since the list is so limited |
| 01:40.22 | andy | <CHodapp> thanks but I was given a ton of these files :-) |
| 01:40.35 | CHodapp | andy, I know there are console tools that can handle that format, I just can't remember the names |
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| 01:40.50 | aicrag | lunitik: yeah, python-tk is broken and it suggests I uninstall it but when I do it complains that it's in an inconsistent state and is uninstallable |
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| 01:40.57 | andy | CHodapp: think hard |
| 01:41.13 | aicrag | rather it cannot be uninstalled |
| 01:41.42 | CHodapp | andy, http://www.stuffit.com/unix/ :\ |
| 01:41.51 | CHodapp | it's binary-only |
| 01:42.14 | lunitik | aicrag: ouch... reinstall again, then remove perhaps? can check scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info ... maybe you can figure out whats wrong from there? |
| 01:42.18 | andy | CHodapp thank a bunch! |
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| 01:42.20 | CHodapp | wait . . . http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/stuffit-archives.html |
| 01:42.45 | aicrag | lunitik: it's trying to use some sort of python when it does the dpkg stuff for the package, thus it's failing. |
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| 01:43.05 | xevious | i'm getting this error from apt-get update: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/non-free Packages ... help? |
| 01:43.27 | lunitik | afaik, package scripts are usually perl :/ |
| 01:43.36 | simonrvn | e.g. for running a postinst scrip in /var/lib/dpkg/info: |
| 01:43.53 | simonrvn | cd /var/lib/dpkg/info; sh -x ./foobar.postinst configure |
| 01:44.06 | simonrvn | script* |
| 01:44.44 | simonrvn | no, shell. some of dpkg's internals are perl. debconf is perl... |
| 01:44.48 | aicrag | lunitik: nope. |
| 01:44.55 | aicrag | Preparing to replace python-tk 2.4.3-1 (using .../python-tk_2.4.3-3_i386.deb) ... |
| 01:44.58 | aicrag | /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-tk.prerm: /usr/bin/pycentral: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 01:45.35 | aicrag | :( |
| 01:46.33 | megatux | xevious: it appears to be a mirror sync issue.. probably try again later |
| 01:46.38 | lunitik | simonrvn: ahh... I have a hard time telling the difference in some scripts... one I was trying to fix yesterday was perl though... (kernel-image-2.6.17-1-486 postrm was arguing with me) |
| 01:46.42 | liable | Jeems: what version of debian do you have? |
| 01:46.50 | xevious | i'm having some issues getting CUPS to work. i'm able to connect to the web configuration page (http://localhost:631), but under administration it says unable to open cupsd.conf file: permission denied |
| 01:46.53 | aicrag | blah |
| 01:47.14 | xevious | however, i was able to successfully add the printer in the web conf, but printing a test page doesnt work |
| 01:47.27 | liable | xevious: when asked for username give root |
| 01:47.33 | xevious | liable: i did |
| 01:47.36 | Jeems | sarge 3.1r2 |
| 01:47.55 | liable | xevious: is it a local printer? |
| 01:48.01 | xevious | liable: kdeprint says it can't connect to the CUPS backend, but it's pointed at the correct socket |
| 01:48.04 | xevious | liable: yes, usb |
| 01:48.15 | aicrag | well, thanks. |
| 01:48.15 | xevious | and it's detected just fine, and all the modules are installed |
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| 01:48.23 | lunitik | Gnea: python recently was transitioned to 2.4 in unstable... perhaps democracyplayer is having issues due to that? |
| 01:48.31 | liable | Jeems: oh, try /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ and see what it says for orinoco |
| 01:48.50 | liable | xevious: hrm. dunno then |
| 01:48.59 | xevious | liable: it's frustrating |
| 01:49.24 | lunitik | Gnea: actually, I guess the transition isn't done... because 'python' still depends 2.3 :/ |
| 01:49.25 | Gnea | lunitik: could be. thing is, i installed it on desktop and then on a laptop. the one on the laptop is working (but the sound hardware is fscked right now so i can't hear anything) while the desktop loads up, but then it doesn't draw anything other than the window panes and menus |
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| 01:49.34 | liable | xevious: i know, setting up printers can be a pita one day, and easy the next.. (or a pita the next too :) |
| 01:51.05 | Yvest | Hi, I just upgraded sarge to use kernel 2.6, but my system isn't booting with the new kernel... |
| 01:51.06 | Yvest | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 01:51.12 | Yvest | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 01:51.17 | xevious | liable: huh. i'm getting "printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds" |
| 01:51.20 | Jeems | no mention of orinoco in the readme or the example conf |
| 01:51.40 | Jeems | sucks |
| 01:52.04 | liable | xevious: whats dmesg say about it? |
| 01:52.49 | xevious | liable: where can i safely paste? |
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| 01:53.01 | lunitik | !paste |
| 01:53.01 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:54.01 | rshakin | !tar |
| 01:54.02 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 01:54.11 | xevious | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3350 |
| 01:54.22 | rshakin | !mt |
| 01:54.22 | dpkg | methinks mt is Malta. Movable Type - Blogging software |
| 01:54.32 | lunitik | rshakin: /msg the bot ... I did it in the channel to show someone because I knew it was a short factoid... |
| 01:54.41 | rshakin | sorry |
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| 01:55.11 | lunitik | rshakin: if it was long, and I was thinking, I'd use !tell foo about bar ... |
| 01:55.21 | liable | xevious: ok, thats good, have you configured it yet? |
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| 01:55.37 | rshakin | ok ppl need a good way to back thing up on a tape |
| 01:55.37 | xevious | liable: configured the printer or cups? |
| 01:56.00 | abrotman | dump? |
| 01:56.24 | liable | xevious: cups |
| 01:56.25 | lunitik | xevious: thats usually the same thing... unless you have a need to use lpr, and even then, there is cupsys-lpr |
| 01:57.13 | rshakin | so far i just used tar to do it... but i am not sure how i can view whats on the tape |
| 01:57.59 | xevious | liable: i used cupsdconf |
| 01:58.14 | lunitik | s/cups-pdf/cups-bsd/ |
| 01:58.22 | lunitik | Guess I'm not currently thinking... grrr |
| 01:59.08 | xevious | liable: can with a very basic cups configuration dcc me their cupsd.conf so i can diff it versus mine? |
| 01:59.17 | xevious | er |
| 01:59.28 | lunitik | For confirmations sake... cups-bsd provides lpr functionality for cups, correct? |
| 01:59.35 | xevious | i mean: can someone with a very basic cups configuration dcc me their cupsd.conf so i can diff it versus mine? |
| 02:00.05 | xevious | very basic meaning just a single computer with a local printer |
| 02:00.48 | Jeems | im wondering if my wlan card is correctly installed - because when I run iwlist scan it says "operation is not supported" for my wlan0 interface |
| 02:00.58 | lunitik | xevious: just need to go to localhost:631 and set it up... its really quite easy... |
| 02:01.14 | liable | Jeems: not all drivers support that command |
| 02:01.17 | lunitik | xevious: although, its rather more difficult if you don't have the required driver installed ;) |
| 02:01.51 | xevious | maybe i should try plugging the printer into a windows computer and making sure it works :D |
| 02:01.53 | liable | Jeems: i dunno if orinoco does. also, i cant remember if sarges one has it, but see if the docs for wpasupp mention wext |
| 02:02.10 | xevious | although |
| 02:02.14 | xevious | i dont have a windows computer |
| 02:02.18 | xevious | huh. setback |
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| 02:02.27 | liable | hah, that was a good idea :) |
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| 02:03.03 | lunitik | !tell xevious about printer |
| 02:03.21 | Jeems | ah! hold on |
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| 02:03.34 | lunitik | xevious: search there for your printers driver... then make sure you have the corresponding driver installed... |
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| 02:04.37 | xevious | lunitik: i can connect to http://localhost:631/ and even add the printer. however, when i go to the web configuration page, it says it can't access cupsd.conf "permission denied" although the permissions are fine. |
| 02:04.41 | xevious | i think |
| 02:04.43 | xevious | what user does cupsd run as? |
| 02:04.46 | Yvest | anybody ever had problems after installing kernel 2.6 on sarge? |
| 02:04.49 | sanmarcos | is there a command line utility to obtain information from a given user? i.e groups, real name, etc? |
| 02:05.06 | xevious | root |
| 02:05.07 | xevious | ok |
| 02:05.09 | xevious | huh |
| 02:05.14 | xevious | permissions are definitely fine |
| 02:05.25 | rshakin | so is there there a way to see whats inside a tape drive archive |
| 02:05.26 | lunitik | xevious: I set it there, and configured kdeprint to use it... nothing special other than that here... |
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| 02:05.42 | Yvest | pivot_root : file not found, then a kernel panic... |
| 02:06.20 | xevious | lunitik: you're using just a local printer on a single computer? |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | dev console missing ? |
| 02:06.23 | Yvest | I upgraded with atp-get install kernel.... |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | lunitik: you're the lazy ass who uses it |
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| 02:06.47 | lunitik | xevious: nope... using samba to use a printer at the other end of the house.... |
| 02:06.49 | Yvest | yeah, say that too |
| 02:06.50 | lunitik | abrotman: haha |
| 02:07.25 | xevious | lunitik: ok |
| 02:07.52 | farous | is there a list of compatible external harddisk for linux-debian. I am going to buy one and am hoping that it will work hastle free? Working with etch here |
| 02:07.52 | roger21 | i would like to recreate xorg.conf but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did not do that, how can i recreate xorg.conf ? |
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| 02:08.02 | lunitik | xevious: I find it hard to believe it'd be more difficult to use a local printer... |
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| 02:08.38 | xevious | lunitik: i do too |
| 02:08.49 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't like being lazy, I swear... but but... I rarely look into things further than I need to once they work :( |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | use fvwm for a week |
| 02:08.59 | xevious | something with the cupsd configuration is f***ed, not the printer's configuration |
| 02:09.08 | xevious | lunitik: kdeprint can't even connect to cupsd |
| 02:09.54 | abrotman | roger21: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:10.03 | lunitik | xevious: ahh... then you have other issues... (although, here, if its not configured correctly, kdeprint pretends it can't see it) |
| 02:10.07 | xevious | lunitik: "Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: host not found. |
| 02:10.31 | nuix | lunitik, Samsung Co. provides linux drivers for their printers |
| 02:10.44 | roger21 | thanks abrotman |
| 02:10.53 | lunitik | xevious: that message went away here once I set up cups via localhost:631 (correct driver etc...) |
| 02:11.13 | liable | roger21: you can also just touch the file, then run the md5sum on it |
| 02:11.31 | nuix | lunitik, I have one lazer printer and it's easy to use in linux box |
| 02:11.45 | enouf | Yvest: I'm not sure: and IIRC, that might be a GRUB and/or LiLo issue? -- can you look at your grub's /boot/grub/menu.lst (that's lst=List) file and compare the entry for that 2.6kernel vs what you know is a good older entry for the 2.4 (pastebin if necessary). Googling that error may help... |
| 02:11.53 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 02:11.53 | dpkg | i guess devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 02:12.03 | lunitik | nuix: why you telling me, my printer config works :/ |
| 02:13.05 | xevious | nuix: is the laser printer plugged in locally? |
| 02:13.14 | xevious | nuix: ie. not via a network |
| 02:13.15 | nuix | lunitik, yes |
| 02:13.23 | rshakin | yaya... perfect tape back up |
| 02:13.39 | p0t | where is the dns records kept? |
| 02:13.41 | xevious | nuix: was that intended for me or lunitik? |
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| 02:13.51 | abrotman | run |
| 02:14.15 | nuix | lunitik, they provide drivers of linux |
| 02:14.23 | lunitik | abrotman: running requires so much energy :( |
| 02:14.25 | roger21 | liable, i don't understand, md5sum will not recreate my file |
| 02:14.26 | nuix | xevious, :) |
| 02:14.35 | Jeems | hmm nope, I just tried putting "hermes" as the driver |
| 02:14.38 | Yvest | enouf, the entry for 2.6 is the same as the one for 2.4 |
| 02:14.39 | lunitik | nuix: neat... there were drivers for my printer too :/ |
| 02:14.51 | Jeems | "unsupported driver" |
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| 02:15.00 | Jeems | yet in the readme it says it is supported |
| 02:15.08 | Jeems | wext is also there |
| 02:15.17 | lunitik | nuix: stop trying to help me, xevious needs the help... I'm just trying to assist in troubleshooting :/ |
| 02:15.24 | enouf | Yvest: in Grub or LiLo and which version of Debian? (I assume Sarge) |
| 02:15.49 | xevious | nuix: could you dcc me your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
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| 02:16.40 | Yvest | grub, and yes sarge |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | fuck the printer .. use kinkos |
| 02:16.57 | xevious | hahahahahah |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | !tell Yvest about devconsole |
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| 02:17.30 | lunitik | abrotman: that gets expensive... 10 cents a printout :'( |
| 02:17.39 | enouf | Yvest: may want to take a look at the kernel line parameters' options , I don't know what hardware you're on, how old, etc...but obviously the 2.6 kernel does things diff than 2.4 |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | or deal with cups |
| 02:17.48 | xevious | nuix: ..? |
| 02:18.18 | nuix | lunitik, I got a mini cisco wireless router, but after a month of use, it doesn't work anymore, and even the reset button is unfunctional. It's really strange |
| 02:18.24 | lunitik | Its hard to troubleshoot over the internet :( |
| 02:18.24 | enouf | Yvest: see this for some kinda list http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 -- which 2.6 kernel ? 2.6.8-2-386? |
| 02:18.50 | nuix | xevious, ok |
| 02:18.53 | nuix | help dcc |
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| 02:19.22 | lunitik | Although, some printers simply don't have drivers, which is a pain.... |
| 02:19.36 | lunitik | There's one in this household that doesn't :'( |
| 02:19.37 | xevious | this has 5 drivers installed |
| 02:20.18 | nuix | dcc send xevious /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 02:20.25 | xevious | oh well |
| 02:20.39 | lunitik | xevious: I'm not sure why kdeprint complains even when you add a printer... strange... here it just knew how cups was configured... and then it was just a case of playing with filters until I found the right one... |
| 02:21.32 | Yvest | enouf, I'm not sure what you want me to look in the list of kernel parameters... 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 02:21.35 | lunitik | After playing with localhost:631 ... took about 10 mins to get a test page printed :( |
| 02:21.40 | enouf | Yvest: abrotman sent you some stuff to follow up with (/msg dpkg devconsole) ...did you see that? I'm reading it now too ;-) |
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| 02:22.14 | Yvest | yeah, couldn't find anyting relevant... |
| 02:22.46 | lunitik | xevious: maybe its because you're logging into localhost:631 as a user other than root? |
| 02:23.03 | lontra | anyone have a good suggestion on a nice font to use with firefox? |
| 02:23.03 | xevious | lunitik: nope. |
| 02:24.01 | Yvest | The real issue is before it panics about the missing console, it really is when the pivot_root happends... |
| 02:24.08 | lunitik | Using kdeprint ... should be no different :'( |
| 02:24.11 | thingfish | lontra: well, unless you object to ms stuff, msttcorefonts is a good place to start. |
| 02:24.35 | lunitik | thingfish: ahhh... she said nice! |
| 02:24.35 | xevious | lunitik: it's odd. http://localhost:631 can't access cupsd.conf because of permissions |
| 02:24.55 | lontra | thingfish: thanks...yeah i got arial is default it doesn't look quite right though |
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| 02:25.15 | xevious | lunitik: although, it's not actually asking for a password |
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| 02:25.24 | thingfish | lunitik: ok, I must be too inebriated because I didn't understand that. |
| 02:25.35 | xevious | lunitik: but i did add my user to the lpadmin group |
| 02:25.53 | Yvest | BTW, I tryed running the install with linux26 and when it was time to partion the drive it said it didnt find any partionable device... looks like it cant see my HDs... (I'm on a Dell latitude D610) |
| 02:25.59 | thingfish | lontra: had you previously messed around with firefox font settings? |
| 02:26.00 | lunitik | xevious: I'm all out of ideas, sorry |
| 02:26.05 | lontra | thingfish: no |
| 02:26.12 | lontra | thingfish: just changed it from sans to arial |
| 02:26.22 | lunitik | thingfish: hows life with Debian going so far? :P |
| 02:26.28 | xevious | lunitik: thanks for the pointers though. anything more from me is just frustrated venting |
| 02:26.32 | thingfish | well that kind of qualifies as messing around with. |
| 02:26.43 | thingfish | lunitik: don't ask. |
| 02:26.50 | lunitik | thingfish: :( |
| 02:27.00 | liable | xevious: once you supply a user for the cups admin page, the browser stores it, untill you close the browser or remove the cookie or whatever cups uses for it |
| 02:27.01 | enouf | Yvest: 1st do you have a P-Pro,PII,PIII or better (686) ? -- have you done (tried) the "MAKEDEV update" followed by "MAKEDEV console"? How about rebuilding "initrd-tools" pkg using the recommended patch? |
| 02:27.10 | thingfish | lunitik: oh no! I mean I love sarge. |
| 02:27.18 | xevious | liable: ok |
| 02:27.30 | lunitik | thingfish: then why's it bad to ask? :( |
| 02:27.34 | xevious | perchance i'll try deleting cookies and retrying |
| 02:27.42 | thingfish | lunitik: I just meant that these days it's nonstop windows crap. |
| 02:27.49 | Yvest | well I cant MAKEDEV if I can't boot with udev right!?! |
| 02:27.55 | lunitik | thingfish: ahhh... yuck ! |
| 02:28.10 | thingfish | lunitik: you said it. |
| 02:28.11 | enouf | Yvest: Why do you have udev !! |
| 02:28.18 | lunitik | xevious: you mean cache... cookies would just slow down loading things |
| 02:28.24 | enouf | Yvest: ...and you can boot to 2.4 ...no ? |
| 02:28.57 | xevious | lunitik: yup |
| 02:29.00 | xevious | :) |
| 02:29.13 | xevious | maybe ill take my user out of lpadmin and try again |
| 02:29.54 | lunitik | xevious: I made my user lpadmin too via dpkg-reconfigure cupsys (I think thats the one that asks about that...) |
| 02:29.59 | thingfish | you would think someone would come up with a delivery BBQ place, but no. |
| 02:30.03 | liable | Yvest: ah, what kind of hd is it? |
| 02:30.23 | liable | sata? |
| 02:30.54 | Yvest | yes I can boot 2.4 |
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| 02:31.13 | lontra | i just installed flashplugin-nonfree but firefox doesn't seem to be recognizing it...any ideas? do i need to create a softlink to the plugins folder? |
| 02:31.26 | Yvest | not 100% sure that it's sata... how do I know for sure? |
| 02:32.08 | Yvest | I tryed replacing the hda by sda in both fstab and menu.lst, but that didn't change anything... |
| 02:32.22 | xevious | oh, bizarro |
| 02:32.25 | Yvest | do I need to change it somewhere else? |
| 02:32.28 | liable | Yvest: whats lspci say about the controller? |
| 02:32.59 | xevious | lunitik: if i go into localhost:631 in my browser, and click on administration, then edit configuration file, it says no such file or directory |
| 02:33.14 | Yvest | ICH6M SATA controller... |
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| 02:33.50 | cygnus | hi can i use the debian sarge iso netinstaller to install debian testing? cause the debian-testing iso netinstall i burned isn't detecting my dvdrom |
| 02:34.34 | enouf | <--thinks Yvest did a 'dist-upgrade' and not just the kernel image :-/ ....Are you using a custom 2.4 kernel? heheh- first piece of hwinfo ..that's definitely a 686, so no issue there |
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| 02:35.02 | lunitik | xevious: I just went to add printer ... and all was fine... maybe try touching that file? maybe its not created for you? |
| 02:35.25 | Yvest | it was a stock kernel and I definatly upgraded with a apt-get install kernel... |
| 02:35.33 | liable | Yvest: okie, then you do need to change fstab and menu.lst (more than likely) from hd to sd |
| 02:35.51 | lunitik | cygnus: sure... just manually edit sources.list when it asks, and throw a testing source in there... |
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| 02:36.17 | cygnus | lunitik do you think the sarge installer will detect my lg dvdrom 16x ? |
| 02:36.25 | Yvest | liable, I did this already and no change... |
| 02:36.26 | liable | Yvest: but seeing as the installer 2.6 kernel doesnt see it, you might want to google that controller, and see what kernel does support it |
| 02:36.32 | lunitik | cygnus: no idea... |
| 02:37.15 | xevious | lunitik: the file's there. |
| 02:37.20 | xevious | lunitik: this is really bizarre |
| 02:37.21 | enouf | Yvest --did you peform the apt-get update first ? how about also "update-pciids" -- and I 'think' a better than 2.6.15 (??) might be needed for decent SATA support , NOT sure though |
| 02:37.23 | xevious | i'll brb. |
| 02:37.34 | lunitik | xevious: who's it owned by? |
| 02:37.41 | cygnus | lunitik i been googling a lot i couldnt find crap on this issue |
| 02:38.15 | Yvest | Is there a package with a better then 2.6.15 available? |
| 02:38.34 | enouf | Yvest: here's a nice SATA info link: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 02:39.10 | enouf | Yvest: Oh - yeah, they're called "linux-image" now instead of "kernel-image"" |
| 02:40.03 | enouf | Yvest: so apt-cache search linux-image-* |
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| 02:40.11 | liable | enouf: not in sarge... |
| 02:40.39 | lunitik | !etch installer |
| 02:40.40 | dpkg | hmm... etch installer is If you're having issues with sarge installers and hardware, perhaps you can try the Etch installer images? Find them at: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 02:40.43 | enouf | liable -- ooops ...why does Yvest have udev then?? hrmmm <perplexed> |
| 02:40.46 | lunitik | Wonders if that is ok? ^^ |
| 02:40.53 | lunitik | Or does it not exist yet for a reason? |
| 02:40.59 | liable | enouf: udev is in sarge. |
| 02:41.33 | cygnus | ill try use srage installer iso |
| 02:41.43 | enouf | liable: fsck ...Really ? AFAIK not for me it wasn't when on 2.6.8-3-686, I was still using hotplug and devfs |
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| 02:42.03 | liable | enouf: sure it is. |
| 02:42.08 | liable | !info udev sarge |
| 02:42.17 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 02:42.30 | enouf | liable: ok -- I'll follow up with that, thanks for then info |
| 02:42.51 | enouf | liable: s/then/that |
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| 02:43.49 | enouf | liable: hrm..."optional" - does that mean "it breaks other stuff" ?? hehehe |
| 02:44.04 | lunitik | enouf: optional == not needed |
| 02:44.11 | liable | enouf: well, actually, udev from that era did, yes :) |
| 02:44.33 | enouf | sanmarcos: I guess I should finally register ...huh? :-) |
| 02:44.43 | enouf | liable: k then :-0 |
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| 02:45.56 | giglf | hey, does anyone know how to fix problems with video playback |
| 02:46.03 | giglf | with real media player? |
| 02:46.51 | lunitik | giglf: most people that want such things use w32codecs ... /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 02:47.14 | lunitik | giglf: Real Player isn't supported by Debian, even though it uses Helix which is open source... |
| 02:47.21 | enouf | sanmarcos: bah -- and I just registered too :-/ |
| 02:48.34 | lunitik | enouf: I'm not ignoring sanmarcos, and I don't see him/her talking... you're confusing me |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.28 | lunitik | abrotman: shush you :P |
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| 02:50.02 | enouf | lunitik: sorry about any confusion -- i don't think I ever said you were ignoring sanmarcos - he sent me a PM I guess, but I did not receive because I was Unregistered -- but now I am registered ;-) |
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| 02:50.48 | enouf | lunitik: I saw the Server warning about PMs here, and thought he was trying to PM me ... |
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| 02:52.34 | WireDDD | what is the name of the module I need to have loaded in order for my usb mouse to work? |
| 02:52.47 | Yvest | sounds like I migth need 2.8.9 according to the SATA page (section about ACHI mode) |
| 02:52.49 | lunitik | enouf: ahhh... I just saw you talking to someone that wasn't active :o |
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| 02:53.13 | enouf | lunitik: and I said "bah, b/c sanmarcos had just signed off ...right as i registered ;-) In case he/she was trying to send me a PM - understand now ? -- no more noise about it from me here though |
| 02:53.32 | enouf | lunitik: ...right :-o |
| 02:54.02 | bucky | usbmouse ? |
| 02:54.18 | Yvest | So there is no package for anything newer then 2.6.8 for sarge? |
| 02:54.32 | WireDDD | bucky: thats what I thought it was, but it didn't seem to work |
| 02:54.38 | lunitik | !tell Yvest about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 02:54.40 | liable | Yvest: yep, take a look at backports.org, or compile one yourself |
| 02:54.49 | bucky | modprobe usbmouse |
| 02:54.58 | WireDDD | bucky: yeah thats what I did |
| 02:55.22 | lunitik | WireDDD: make sure xorg.conf is using /dev/input/mice |
| 02:55.45 | WireDDD | it is |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | mousedev |
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| 02:56.35 | lunitik | forgets* udev* |
| 02:56.49 | WireDDD | abrotman: thanks thats it |
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| 02:57.01 | cygnus | lunik, sarge installer detects it |
| 02:57.18 | cygnus | boo to etch2 beta or wahtever |
| 02:57.20 | tpoodle|puppy | could anybody please paste me output of <ls -l /var/log> to http://tinypoodle---tooth.pastebin.com/ ? |
| 02:57.38 | cygnus | i gotta diesconect this to do |
| 02:57.38 | tpoodle|puppy | i have deleted some logs, which were growing big |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | why/? |
| 02:57.39 | cygnus | netinstaller |
| 02:57.44 | cygnus | cya |
| 02:58.20 | tpoodle|puppy | now pppd dies |
| 02:58.37 | tpoodle|puppy | so i need to know which logs are there w ownership/permissions |
| 02:59.40 | biopyte | hi. glxinfo tells me "direct rendering:yes" but glxgears is slow, anyway. xorg 7.0, matrox G200. used to work all the time, until a recent upgrade. any ideas? |
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| 03:00.32 | biopyte | etch, by the way. |
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| 03:01.27 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
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| 03:02.23 | wireddd | I find it hard to believe that there isn't someone else named root on freenode all the time |
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| 03:03.24 | section31 | how do you pronounce gibibyte |
| 03:03.49 | Coweater | wireddd: nicks can be registered |
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| 03:04.06 | wireddd | coweater, still |
| 03:04.16 | Yvest | lunitik: new kernel is loading now... |
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| 03:07.09 | Yvest | it wants me tu purge hotplug... Do I really need to do this before I reboot? and how do I do this? |
| 03:08.05 | abrotman | ittells you |
| 03:08.11 | trygg | Hm, how do i make so that i dont start up with e17 with elive? :D |
| 03:08.23 | trygg | entrance start when i bootsup, and i want gdm to start up instead? |
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| 03:08.41 | giglf | so back to my realmedia player question: I have the latest version of the realplayer installed on debian |
| 03:08.45 | Yvest | abrotman: where you talking to me? |
| 03:08.47 | giglf | and it still is playing back poorly |
| 03:08.51 | giglf | any ideas? |
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| 03:10.55 | aphixe | hello |
| 03:11.10 | enouf | Yvest: Yes if using udev then, apt-get --purge remove hotplug |
| 03:11.56 | aphixe | how do I find out version of debian I have |
| 03:12.56 | parspa | look on the cd you installed ;) |
| 03:13.42 | abrotman | !version |
| 03:13.42 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 03:13.47 | aphixe | I wrote with a sharpe and it says only debian |
| 03:13.49 | stoned | abrotman, hi |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | ho |
| 03:13.59 | stoned | how are ya |
| 03:14.00 | dpkg | stoned: mas o menos |
| 03:14.00 | aptitude | stoned: eh, ok |
| 03:14.32 | stoned | abrotman, I passed the dreadful test |
| 03:14.33 | parspa | ah, hate it when i do that |
| 03:14.36 | stoned | abrotman, I smoked a jay before I went into take the test |
| 03:15.04 | aphixe | thats it I give up on this debian |
| 03:15.05 | stoned | I start on the 14th |
| 03:15.13 | aphixe | fedora was better |
| 03:15.31 | parspa | debian is good, just different |
| 03:15.41 | bucky | aphixe: what version of fedora did you use? |
| 03:15.51 | aphixe | I am assuming I have an old version of debian? |
| 03:15.55 | aphixe | it doesnt have apt |
| 03:16.01 | parspa | must be |
| 03:16.01 | stoned | what?! |
| 03:16.02 | aphixe | Fedora 5. I think |
| 03:16.05 | Yvest | humm that it get stuck at Begin: Waiting for root file system.... ... |
| 03:16.12 | stoned | you can't compare debian and fedora/redhat |
| 03:16.25 | stoned | fedora is like a random porn bitch, while debian is a hot super model |
| 03:16.31 | aphixe | feels like its broken |
| 03:16.32 | bucky | or debian with "debian without apt" |
| 03:16.51 | parspa | hmm, i thought one was a blonde and one was a brunette |
| 03:16.56 | bucky | and that's hard to do |
| 03:17.05 | parspa | but, all in all, about the same |
| 03:17.21 | aphixe | I got dpkg with mine |
| 03:17.28 | aphixe | but dont know if its any use |
| 03:17.42 | stoned | apt/aptitude/etc. etc. are all wrappers for dpkg btw |
| 03:17.54 | aphixe | I wouldnt know |
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| 03:19.50 | parspa | i was using it for a bit, still do, a little tired of the install though, sux if you do it often |
| 03:20.14 | parspa | maybe i am js=ust too lazy to automate it |
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| 03:20.54 | mhall | I am having a VERY FRUSTRATING problem with KDE freezing up at the second step in its splashscreen and I've tried it all: deleting every single configuration file as well as totally torching KDE. I have version 3.5.4. What else can I try to figure out why in the hell this keeps happening? It's very frustrating. |
| 03:21.20 | parspa | dos it freeze as a different user? |
| 03:21.56 | Yvest | looks like I'm getting somewhere.... |
| 03:21.58 | aphixe | so no way of seeing which version I have? |
| 03:22.08 | parspa | i have had that problem with gnome, and deleting everything gnome related always fixed it |
| 03:22.24 | parspa | somebody told you already dud. |
| 03:22.32 | parspa | dude |
| 03:22.43 | bucky | aphixe: they told you immediately after you asked the first time cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:23.10 | bucky | aphixe: or dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 03:26.19 | aphixe | 3.1 debian |
| 03:26.25 | aphixe | how old is this |
| 03:26.38 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 03:26.38 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 03:27.24 | parspa | latest huh, mine has apt |
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| 03:28.40 | rustifer | pardon me.... anyone have any advice on enabling mod rewrite for apache 2 with debian etch? |
| 03:28.47 | parspa | not i |
| 03:29.22 | abrotman | a2enmod |
| 03:29.30 | rustifer | it's enabled in the apache2 mods-enabled directory and the rules look right in the virtual host file, but nothing's happening, I'm not even getting error messages, ... |
| 03:29.39 | rustifer | yeah a2enmod says "this module is already enabled." |
| 03:30.02 | abrotman | so it is |
| 03:30.25 | rustifer | maybe I'm expecting something more... flashy ? |
| 03:30.35 | parspa | what do you mean nothing is happening? |
| 03:30.58 | rustifer | these two lines are in my virtual host file: |
| 03:31.04 | rustifer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.04 | rustifer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.15 | rustifer | (yes, I restarted apache2) |
| 03:31.27 | rustifer | and browsing to (site)/books/4 results in a 404 error message. |
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| 03:31.36 | rustifer | and the footer of the message has this: |
| 03:31.44 | rustifer | Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 PHP/4.4.2-1.1 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at elibratto.localhost.com Port 80 |
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| 03:31.52 | rustifer | no mention of rewrite in that footer ;( |
| 03:32.31 | rustifer | there is in fact an index.php file, and it's just phpinfo();, and it works if I browse to that filename. |
| 03:32.33 | bucky | rustifer: did you restart apache? |
| 03:32.39 | parspa | dunno, never tried it, been meaning too, that and about 100 other thing |
| 03:32.40 | rustifer | yes, I restarted it. |
| 03:32.55 | rustifer | I restarted it about 9 times and also stopped it then started it. |
| 03:34.15 | rustifer | it's puzzing me. AND, while I deleted the error_log and access_log files, they are recreated when apache is restarted but they stay at 0 length. |
| 03:34.28 | Yvest | Ok, so my system is working now with 2.6.16 :) |
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| 03:35.16 | Yvest | now I can't read my usbflash drive... it use to just magically appear on my desktop before... |
| 03:35.32 | aphixe | u think debian is best for server? |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | rustifer: give them a few minutes |
| 03:35.38 | parspa | lol |
| 03:35.41 | abrotman | !tell aphixe about u |
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| 03:35.54 | bucky | rustifer: are your sites virtual sites and are they in /var/www ? |
| 03:36.04 | rustifer | abrotman: they should change size when I browse to that server. Yes, they are virtual and they are in /var/www/ |
| 03:36.05 | parspa | honestly, no, redhat has SElinux |
| 03:36.14 | parspa | for webserver anyway |
| 03:36.48 | rustifer | bucky: yes and yes |
| 03:36.51 | abrotman | rustifer: wait a few minutes .. apache doesn't always log instantly |
| 03:37.18 | parspa | unless you are running on older hardware, or enjoy tweaking |
| 03:37.32 | aphixe | parspa: had problem with sendmail on my fedora |
| 03:38.35 | liable | yay, x-plane works now |
| 03:38.45 | parspa | think you can swap it out with something else |
| 03:39.16 | mhall | So I spent some more time on my KDE issue. It happens to all users. Purging all KDE and Qt, and deleting all X dotfiles and /tmp X dotfiles did nothing. |
| 03:39.44 | bucky | rustifer: does your php work by itself? |
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| 03:40.13 | parspa | hmm, what was that, something about enabling sounds broke mine |
| 03:40.22 | liable | mhall: yah, a few people have been complaining about that lately |
| 03:40.38 | parspa | maybe that was the "why did you click me stupid?" button |
| 03:40.53 | parspa | lol |
| 03:41.15 | mhall | liable: aww shit |
| 03:41.20 | mhall | liable: did they figure a fix |
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| 03:41.31 | liable | mhall: havent seen one :( |
| 03:42.25 | mhall | liable: damn |
| 03:42.46 | parspa | or changing sounds, or something, don't remember now, except i haven't messed with the sounds since |
| 03:42.49 | mhall | OK. So KDE is fucked for now. What's my pick for a backup window manager so I can watch my god damn porn? |
| 03:43.02 | rustifer | bucky, yes, and i just configured server-info, and mod_rewrite shows up too |
| 03:43.07 | mhall | My computer has been broken a fucking long fucking time and i was looking forward to my porn |
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| 03:44.01 | rustifer | bucky: i'll configure rewrite logging, maybe there's something in there. |
| 03:44.16 | parspa | take your pick, there are plenty |
| 03:44.29 | j4cbo | "Aug 4 23:35:02 localhost kernel: Critical temperature reached (98 C), shutting down." |
| 03:44.30 | j4cbo | wtf? |
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| 03:45.08 | parspa | that means you have an athlon XP |
| 03:45.18 | j4cbo | heh, no, a64 x2 4600+ |
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| 03:45.43 | j4cbo | but it's been idle, and in fact, i've been watching the temperature and it was about 45 c |
| 03:45.45 | pstickne | that's quite toasty :x |
| 03:45.50 | j4cbo | when the system suddenly did a shutdown |
| 03:46.17 | j4cbo | that message came from ACPI, not lm_sensors |
| 03:46.25 | parspa | damn amd runs hot, at least the 2000 series |
| 03:46.36 | j4cbo | the old xps were really hot |
| 03:46.41 | j4cbo | not as bad as the pentium 4 though |
| 03:46.57 | parspa | yah, mine never would do more that 85% cpu for long |
| 03:47.08 | parspa | with 2 extra fans |
| 03:47.08 | pstickne | weak :( |
| 03:47.35 | j4cbo | with cool'n'quiet and a scythe ninja, though, this thing can do passive at idle |
| 03:47.43 | parspa | which one run nice and cool? |
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| 03:48.23 | j4cbo | parspa: pretty much anything except a pentium 4 |
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| 03:49.26 | aphixe | hello, how do I get apt on my system |
| 03:49.29 | parspa | hmm, just need to invest more in cooling next time, maybe a case with air conditioning |
| 03:49.41 | pstickne | years ago equiv AMD chips were generally hotter then the P4 -- is this just do to the large increase in Mhz of the P4? |
| 03:50.00 | j4cbo | yeah |
| 03:50.15 | j4cbo | intel went for bigger MHz numbers instead of higher actual performance |
| 03:50.17 | parspa | i heard the dual-cores Pentiums are real hot |
| 03:50.22 | pstickne | I should read up on the P D line, P M's are quire nice. |
| 03:50.28 | parspa | yeah |
| 03:50.29 | pstickne | *quite |
| 03:50.33 | j4cbo | the pentium d is horrible |
| 03:50.38 | parspa | really? |
| 03:50.38 | pstickne | hehe. why? |
| 03:50.38 | j4cbo | core duo is pretty nice |
| 03:50.44 | j4cbo | core 2 duo is excellent |
| 03:50.57 | pstickne | Core Duo is P-D based, right? |
| 03:51.04 | j4cbo | no, p-m |
| 03:51.21 | pstickne | I need to upgrade my laptop :P |
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| 03:51.38 | cygnus | does debian testing offer a 2.6.x kernel package ? |
| 03:51.44 | pstickne | cygnus, yes :) |
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| 03:52.00 | cygnus | pstickne: i am doing a dist-upgrade and its grabbing some 2.4.x :( |
| 03:52.03 | pstickne | cygnus, I have 2.6.16 from source but they have prebuild images too |
| 03:52.09 | j4cbo | pstickne: wait a week... apple's rumored to be announcing core 2 duo-based macbook pros on monday |
| 03:52.30 | parspa | i need to upgrade my everything, but then again, with the right desktop and video card, a 800 mhz isn't bad for everything but gaming |
| 03:52.32 | pstickne | j4cbo, now if only I could realistically set aside that much money on something that I don't need :p |
| 03:52.37 | bucky | rustifer: i found a page that says you have to set AllowOverride to ?all? in sites-available/default |
| 03:53.04 | j4cbo | night all |
| 03:53.05 | pstickne | parspa, that's where I'm at .. I don't do anything to justify a newer system O.o |
| 03:53.29 | pstickne | bucky, for what? |
| 03:53.36 | bucky | mod rewrite |
| 03:53.46 | parspa | i can't keep up anyway, |
| 03:53.50 | phorce1 | K, it's been a while since I had to rebuild a Debian secure web server. For serving both http and https |
| 03:53.53 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:53.56 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.59 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.02 | phorce1 | oops |
| 03:54.23 | phorce1 | ugly paste from another channel -- wait one, retyping for readability |
| 03:54.40 | parspa | mod-ssl is fine, don't reboot it |
| 03:54.49 | pstickne | I'm pretty sure you don't need to allow all overrides. Alot just doesn't apply. Check with the Apache docs? |
| 03:55.58 | phorce1 | OK, it's been a while since I had to rebuild a secure Debian web server. For serving both http and https should I install apache-ssl or plain apache with mod-ssl? Full server with sss/php/perl/cgi/etc... |
| 03:56.25 | phorce1 | parspa: reboots happen sometimes. If it has to hapen when we aren't physically here... |
| 03:56.34 | tpoodle|puppy | could anybody please paste me output of <ls -l /var/log> to http://tinypoodle---tooth.pastebin.com/ ? |
| 03:58.06 | liable | phorce1: mod-ssl should do |
| 03:58.55 | phorce1 | I'm rebuilding a server that an admin who is no longer with us hosed up in some fashion. It used to work fine running apache 1.3.x and a few other things. He got a wild hair when we replaced the server box and installed apache2 -- there are several things that don't want to work right since he did that. I'm rebuilding on a new server and going back to 1.3.x |
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| 04:00.44 | BarryAllen | hi all.... |
| 04:00.53 | cygnus | hi is there a way to apt-cache search but show the full package name |
| 04:01.04 | BarryAllen | im using etch, but openxchange does not work with ldap version of etch |
| 04:01.07 | cygnus | im trying to install ther kernel 2.6 package but two have the same prefix for the start |
| 04:01.13 | BarryAllen | how can i downgrad to use slapd from sarge? |
| 04:01.16 | BarryAllen | !downgrade |
| 04:01.16 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 04:03.03 | foo | Anyone in here done MySQL replication? Basically, I want a master/master set up and not the traditional master / slave set up. To my understanding, I need a master/master set up if I want a failover-like set up. Any ideas? There doesn't seem to be any good tutorials out there. |
| 04:04.52 | BarryAllen | im trying to add a sarge repo (and disable the others) and trying apt-get source slapd |
| 04:05.11 | BarryAllen | but it fails.... it say does not found a source of openldap2.3 |
| 04:05.14 | BarryAllen | any tip? |
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| 04:05.39 | cygnus | if you have a hyperthreading cpu do you need to use an smp kernel? |
| 04:06.03 | bucky | foo: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html |
| 04:06.14 | phorce1 | I'd also like pointers to a good master/slave DNS tutorial if possible. This box is also our NS1 and it's something else he hosed up. We have to reboot it every few weeks when named stops responding. He was supposed to have NS1 propagating to NS2 and 3 automatically but I read through the zone files and there's stuff missing. And since he installed 2 different versions of BIND across 3 machines... |
| 04:06.55 | bucky | i don't think you can have master master |
| 04:07.14 | foo | bucky: That doesn't have the master/master set up. |
| 04:07.18 | foo | bucky: hm, I was told I can. |
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| 04:08.23 | bucky | foo: oh i guess you can http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html |
| 04:12.36 | parspa | ah, bind, another item on my list to learn one day |
| 04:12.42 | parspa | cya |
| 04:13.12 | phorce1 | http://www.issociate.de/board/post/182613/MySQL_Master-Master_replication.html |
| 04:13.25 | phorce1 | for foo |
| 04:14.07 | foo | phorce1: ah, thanks. Did you google for this |
| 04:14.31 | PumpkinPie | there is someone logged into tty1.. how can I log them out ? |
| 04:14.55 | bucky | foo: it's called mysql clustering http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html |
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| 04:15.01 | foo | ah |
| 04:16.21 | bucky | foo http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysql-cluster.html |
| 04:16.24 | phorce1 | foo: yes, google. Almost everything I see states that there is no way to set up automated recovery from failaover. You'll have to set it up so that when failure of the master happens the slave takes over and STAYS as the new master until you manually fix and resynch the old master. |
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| 04:17.36 | foo | phorce1: Right, I think it is with a master/master ... no slave involved. I don't know exactly how this works. hmm, still doing research |
| 04:20.48 | phorce1 | Why the fnork does apt suggest these when you try to install just apache and mod-ssl? "Suggested packages: apache-ssl apache-perl ca-certificates" |
| 04:22.00 | phorce1 | If I'm installing mod-ssl why does it also suggest I install apache-ssl? |
| 04:22.58 | pourriture_ | I installed debian and chix STILL do not find me attractive ... what did I do wrong? |
| 04:23.36 | pourriture_ | just being silly ... sorry :) |
| 04:24.01 | bucky | phorce1: why do you want to install apache 1.3 ? |
| 04:24.07 | phorce1 | pourriture_: You told them you're a geek like the rest of us. |
| 04:24.24 | phorce1 | bucky: comfort level |
| 04:26.17 | phorce1 | bucky: System worked fine with 1.3 -- other admin installed 2 when we replaced the server. Changes more difficult now and some old cgi stuff got "flaky" after he did that. Only change was upgrade to apache2 so we're backing down now that he's not working on it. |
| 04:26.39 | pourriture_ | phorce1, sadly the wife uses FreeBSD ... she has the household claim on geekdom ... but I still think that OTHER chix should find debian hot |
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| 04:27.19 | Zweideutig | pourriture_: Muhahahaha... |
| 04:27.31 | Zweideutig | pourriture_: Pwned by the wife. ;) |
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| 04:28.48 | pourriture_ | Zweideutig, she dogs me in windows and bsd ... debian is the corner that I have painted my self into ... to dangle a preposition |
| 04:29.33 | timalot | why can i use head -n -1 .... but tail -n -1 doenst work ... thats lame .... |
| 04:29.51 | pourriture_ | but she can't figure out OSX ... cause I won't let her on the box long enough to find a terminal |
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| 04:30.41 | phorce1 | pourriture_: when she finds out OSX is just another *nix you're screwed. ;-) |
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| 04:31.16 | Zweideutig | pourriture_: Ah. Do you dog her in English? |
| 04:31.20 | bucky | timalot: what does head -n -1 do? |
| 04:31.21 | pourriture_ | phorce1, screwed might be a good thing |
| 04:31.50 | timalot | bucky: it prints all lines in a file except for the last one |
| 04:31.51 | Zweideutig | pourriture_: Show off about your knowledge of participles, gerunds, infinities, prepositions, etc. ;) |
| 04:31.59 | yuheng108 | is anyone Intel GMA 900 |
| 04:32.00 | pourriture_ | Zweideutig, no ... she majored in english :( |
| 04:32.08 | yuheng108 | is anyone using Intel GMA 900? |
| 04:32.26 | bucky | timalot: so what do you want to do with tail? |
| 04:32.48 | timalot | bucky: print all lines 'cept the first |
| 04:32.48 | pourriture_ | Zweideutig, but I can drink more beer than she can :) |
| 04:33.05 | cygnus_ | hi has anyone had the problem with the kernel-2.6 package saying begin: waiting for root system then dropping to some emregency shell ? |
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| 04:33.42 | TiGZ | hello |
| 04:33.42 | TiGZ | Can someone help me out? |
| 04:33.51 | bucky | timalot: most people just use tail -f to output appended data as the file grows |
| 04:33.59 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, why do you want out? |
| 04:34.03 | timalot | bucky: thats totally different... |
| 04:34.07 | TiGZ | I am trying to install on an oldworld mac and it wont boot from a cd... is there a floppy image that will help me? |
| 04:34.10 | phorce1 | timalot: use tail -n +1 to print the whole file or tail -n +2 to print all but the first line |
| 04:34.28 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, yaboot not working for you? |
| 04:34.58 | TiGZ | it is an oldworld mac |
| 04:35.01 | timalot | phorce1: thanks.... thats consistency for you :) |
| 04:35.04 | TiGZ | it doesnt use yaboot |
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| 04:36.11 | yuheng108 | is anyone using Intel GMA 900? |
| 04:36.14 | pourriture_ | odd ... as I remember oldworld macs use yaboot and newer use openfirmware ... but that is my failing and aging memory |
| 04:36.18 | phorce1 | timalot: It makes sense actually. "-x" is "counting backward" from the end of the file in head. "+x" is "counting forward" from the beginning. |
| 04:36.48 | yuheng108 | I just want to know if I can config more than 1200 * 800 on a 15 inch LCD |
| 04:36.58 | TiGZ | anyone |
| 04:36.59 | TiGZ | ? |
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| 04:37.55 | timalot | phorce1: thanks, yeah it does now that i think about it... but thats why we have irc so we dont have to think, just ask someone |
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| 04:38.36 | TiGZ | Anyone manage to get Debian working on an old mac |
| 04:38.38 | phorce1 | cool -- debian will install libapache-mod-ssl without actually installing any version of apache itself. |
| 04:39.49 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, google refreshes the memory ... it is bootx bootloader for oldworld ... right? |
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| 04:40.09 | TiGZ | yes |
| 04:40.10 | phorce1 | timalot: no thought required, only "man tail" (though I prefer "woman tail" myself -- that command seems broken on my system ;-D ) |
| 04:40.18 | TiGZ | but it gets kernel panics |
| 04:40.23 | timalot | haha |
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| 04:41.09 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, I cannot be of any help ... but what is the box? |
| 04:41.11 | foo | phorce1: I see. Hm, I wonder if I should just do apache on one server, and mysql on the other... until I can get 3 servers and then get an mcluster, what do you think? |
| 04:41.36 | TiGZ | Power Mac 5500 |
| 04:41.42 | phorce1 | TiGZ: If it goes through the bootup process then kernel-panics you probably have a bad image burn -- or an incorrect image for the system you want to install on. |
| 04:42.28 | foo | phorce1 / bucky: Ah, this looks of interest. http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-cluster-for-two-servers.html /me reads |
| 04:42.46 | Lamperi | furfarm.swf on ..... |
| 04:42.49 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, have you considered system 7.5 and a slip acct on a linux box? |
| 04:43.05 | phorce1 | foo: that depends entirely on how hard you expect them to be hit. Our radiator database gets the snot beat out of it. No way it could sustain a web server that also gets customer hits. |
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| 04:44.07 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, is it a quadra or a performa ... performa wouldn't work I don't think |
| 04:44.25 | TiGZ | Can anyone reccomend me an oldworld linux that i don't have to muck around with |
| 04:44.48 | foo | phorce1: I see |
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| 04:46.01 | liable | TiGZ: tried #debian-ppc? |
| 04:46.14 | TiGZ | they are all asleep |
| 04:46.44 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, maybe an older yellowdog? |
| 04:47.27 | phorce1 | TiGZ: try googling "powermac 5500 linux" to see what distros people have had success with. |
| 04:48.18 | pourriture_ | TiGZ, and pay attention to the diff between quadras and performas |
| 04:48.31 | BarryAllen | please, some tip, how can i install a source of sarge in my etch? |
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| 04:49.46 | cygnus_ | hi has anyone had the problem with the kernel-2.6 package saying begin: waiting for root system then dropping to some emregency shell ? |
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| 04:50.53 | cygnus_ | the 2.4 package works ok for me |
| 04:52.13 | pourriture_ | cygnus_, I got some udev/hotplug weirdness when moving from sarge to etch ... kernelwise |
| 04:52.28 | pourriture_ | could that be part of the same? |
| 04:53.53 | cygnus_ | ye |
| 04:54.01 | cygnus_ | i started with sarge installer and dist-upgrade to testing |
| 04:54.20 | cygnus_ | but i dpkg --purge the hotplug |
| 04:54.39 | deadcat_ | the d-i in dev allows stable/testinh/sid |
| 04:54.42 | liable | cygnus_: yep, i vaguely remember some sort of udev problem like that. are all your disks in /dev? |
| 04:54.57 | cygnus_ | yes |
| 04:55.10 | enouf | TiGZ: Is YellowDog an option ?? I have an Old Mac sitting here-but never yet got around to installing GNU/Linux (it still has OS9.x on it) :-( |
| 04:55.14 | liable | cygnus_: what if you do 'telinit 2' |
| 04:55.23 | pourriture_ | not sure what the etch kernel is .. but there were some messages about removing hotplug and so forth when I played with sid about 6 months ago |
| 04:55.42 | TiGZ | it can if u use bootx |
| 04:55.53 | cygnus_ | liable: what should it say? |
| 04:56.10 | liable | cygnus_: it should go to run level 2 |
| 04:56.14 | pourriture_ | enouf, yellowdog ... I don't know why I didn't think of that .... .... .... |
| 04:56.18 | enouf | TiGZ: FWIW -- mines r-e-a-l-l-y Old ...not even a G3, it's a 7300/200 or somesuch |
| 04:56.28 | cygnus_ | liable: what do i do then? |
| 04:56.33 | TiGZ | mine is a 5500 |
| 04:57.02 | liable | cygnus_: depends what happens I guess |
| 04:57.13 | enouf | pourriture_: I looked into breifly ahile ago when contemplating - ijust don't recall the compatabilty of Old?New world and YDL |
| 04:57.28 | enouf | s/Old/New |
| 04:57.53 | cygnus_ | liable: it says nothing |
| 04:57.58 | bucky | enouf: according to this page that's an PowerMac-oldworld http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install |
| 04:58.15 | bucky | as is the 5500 |
| 04:58.32 | pourriture_ | enouf, I think the real question is Quadra5500 vs Performa5500 ... but I am just being silly there |
| 04:58.45 | liable | cygnus_: does absolutely nothing? |
| 04:58.49 | cygnus_ | yea |
| 04:58.51 | enouf | bucky: Right -- thanks -- but I don't recall if YDL runs on Old, nor if it's entirely Free as in Beer :-) |
| 04:58.57 | cygnus_ | just puts to next lineof shell |
| 04:58.59 | liable | cygnus_: try mount -a |
| 04:59.03 | liable | then telinit |
| 04:59.34 | liable | cygnus_: time to check the bts and consult google :) |
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| 04:59.50 | cygnus_ | what's bts ? |
| 05:00.09 | liable | cygnus_: bugs.debian.org |
| 05:00.27 | bucky | enouf: apparently there's a sarge for it |
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| 05:00.41 | enouf | bucky: is the 5500 the StarMax then (listed on Deb's URL ?) |
| 05:01.10 | enouf | bucky: Oh -- Ok ....cool - so when I get to it -- I can try to Install YDL Sarge ;-) |
| 05:01.39 | enouf | bucky: on My older 7300/200... ;-o |
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| 05:01.50 | bucky | enouf: i was thinking more along the lines of debian sarge |
| 05:02.58 | jetscreamer | Subject: Ho\me Loean Applicat@ion |
| 05:04.12 | enouf | bucky: Funny - even though it's a 200MHz/50FSB (IIRC), it's got a USB 1.1 card added, Got a upgrade of RAM (128 or 192MB total IIRC)...and it's got Ethernet and ADB, and Sound Card ...but yeah - it's slow, but came with a huge 17" CRT, w/speakers (Multimedia), and the Apple Desktop Printer |
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| 05:04.33 | enouf | bucky: Oh -- Sarge port for PPC Old world...Ok |
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| 05:04.50 | bucky | enouf: somebody spent a ton of money on it |
| 05:05.11 | enouf | bucky: That 5500 is newer than mine ...yes ?? I don't know anything about PPC and Apple (well not much) |
| 05:05.36 | enouf | bucky: Oh - yes indeed -- it came from a Graphics shop years ago ;-) |
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| 05:07.49 | timalot | how do i remove a package with an rc status in dpkg -l ? |
| 05:08.22 | deadcat_ | timalot: dpkg -P |
| 05:10.07 | timalot | deadcat_: thanx... thats what i normally do.. but in aint working ... i ll keep looking |
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| 05:10.13 | timalot | it |
| 05:10.20 | deadcat_ | sounds fucked |
| 05:10.36 | timalot | probably |
| 05:12.00 | phorce1 | enouf: Those are 166MHz -- but I've stuffed a gig of RAM into most of them, 512Meg minimum. |
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| 05:14.50 | enouf | phorce1: hi... which one is 166MHz, my 7300? or the 5500 -- I recall my 7300 has 4banks and they can be "Interleaved" ;-) |
| 05:15.14 | wyevern | :-X |
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| 05:15.54 | enouf | is impressed by phorce1's building capabilities (asn well as SPARC :-p) |
| 05:17.19 | phorce1 | enouf: The sparcs are all 166 (well, there might be a 200 in there). Run blue-blazes circles around most of my installs on faster Intel machines though. |
| 05:18.33 | enouf | phorce1: are the sparc "Chips" the same IBM PPC chips (as in my 7300?) or are/were they Motorola ?? |
| 05:18.52 | BarryAllen | ... what is the name of slapd package in sarge? |
| 05:19.20 | liable | !+info slapd sarge |
| 05:19.21 | bucky | slapd ? |
| 05:19.21 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:19.27 | dpkg | slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.23-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 798 kB, Installed size: 2228 kB |
| 05:19.57 | enouf | phorce1: When i researched this some time back -- IIRC, the 7200/7300 marked some kind of a significant change, perhaps going from SCSI to IDE drives or something, I can't recall now ;-0 |
| 05:20.12 | BarryAllen | loidean:/etc# apt-cache search slapd |
| 05:20.12 | BarryAllen | loidean:/etc# |
| 05:20.16 | Coweater | sparc made it's own chips |
| 05:20.22 | Coweater | er sun |
| 05:20.39 | BarryAllen | loidean:/etc# grep ^deb /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:20.39 | BarryAllen | deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib |
| 05:21.01 | ajdlinux | is there a deb binary entry? |
| 05:21.25 | enouf | phorce1: or perhaps even PCI Bus instead ?? <confused> but no worries ;-) I'm not toying with that until I can atleast build my own Kernel :-p |
| 05:21.34 | BarryAllen | sorry |
| 05:21.35 | BarryAllen | :/ |
| 05:21.47 | enouf | Coweater: Oh ..ok missed that Sun SPARC are it's own chips |
| 05:21.49 | BarryAllen | im 37 hours awake :/ |
| 05:22.01 | bucky | apt-cache search slapd |
| 05:22.07 | phorce1 | enouf: They are Sun CPU's in the Sparcs. Apple's confuse me. ;-) |
| 05:22.44 | enouf | phorce1: you and me both |
| 05:22.48 | enouf | :-) |
| 05:24.00 | enouf | phorce1: If you started with "these are all 166", instead of those, I would've understood earlier - apologies - or poloponies :-) |
| 05:25.22 | BarryAllen | im installing slapd from sarge,... how can i prevent apt-get upgrade, update that package? |
| 05:25.43 | BarryAllen | (im using etch) |
| 05:25.56 | phorce1 | enouf: My fault. Flipping between too many systems and trying to figure out why my new mod_ssl install isn't working. |
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| 05:26.29 | enouf | phorce1: ahh...yeah -- that'll do it fer sure .. no prob |
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| 05:26.44 | phorce1 | BarryAllen: You have to "pin" it to sarge in your apt conf file. All I know is the terminology. I've had to do it ONCE and it took me 2 days to get straight. |
| 05:27.13 | ajdlinux | you need to edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 05:27.26 | enouf | phorce1: Got any Windoze boxes on the LAN -- you can always blame them -- they definitely will break stuff :-p |
| 05:27.28 | ajdlinux | or create it if it's not already there |
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| 05:29.12 | enouf | phorce1: YEah -- I tried "pinning" too at one time while still at Sarge ... I got it so correct, that i'm now running Sid ...hehehe |
| 05:29.33 | phorce1 | enouf: I do all my work from a WinXP box using putty to ssh to all the linux machines. Much easier than flipping through a KVM when working with multiple systems. All linux machines also running "screen" so I can easily flip between multiple consoles and log out without losing any work. |
| 05:30.37 | enouf | phorce1: FWIW - I reacll "pinning" goes in /apt.conf ?? and the distro and [APT:: Default::] stuff belongs in /preferences, or so i have that backwards as usual |
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| 05:31.57 | enouf | phorce1: ...Oh ..Ok - so Redmond is causing these issues -- hehehe ... No , but I hear ya -- KVMs can be a bastard to get correct all the time |
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| 05:32.47 | TiGZ | can someone give me a link to a step-by-step guide on how to install Debian with bootx? |
| 05:33.49 | phorce1 | enouf: the KVM works -- but I have to sit in the server room instead of my office for direct access. <grin> |
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| 05:34.45 | enouf | TiGZ: sorry, don't know...Have you triued searching the NG archives? comp.os.linux.ppc or similar ?? Here's one way to do it http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.powerpc?lnk=la&hl=en |
| 05:34.54 | phorce1 | Plus there are 16 machines attached to the KVM. I only need to work on 2 of them. Easier to only switch between 2 open windows instead of flipping the KVM between machine number 3 and 14. |
| 05:35.36 | enouf | phorce1: we can't have that -- too noisy and hot in there, besides you'd have to be a recluse altogether :-) |
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| 05:35.46 | dmsantam | what's a good reader that supports ical? |
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| 05:36.54 | phorce1 | enouf: Already a recluse. Work 17 hours/day either 3 or 4 days/week. The 17 hour day usually ends up being "work until I pass out -- wake up and start over". Only person in the building for 3 or 4 days when at work. |
| 05:37.06 | enouf | TiGZ: one better : http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.powerpc/search?group=comp.os.linux.powerpc&q=5500+bootx&qt_g=1&searchnow=Search+this+group |
| 05:38.01 | bucky | TiGZ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PowerPC/OldWorld/PreAlphaManualUpdates 4.5.1 |
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| 05:39.56 | enouf | phorce1: please get out there -- you can do it -- go and have some fun ;-) You seem cheery online - I wouldn't mind hanging, but then again I can be really reclusive, but my day job doesn't allow for that...but when I'm here (at the box) I can be here for over a few days (just out of sheer curiousity and continuum)...just walking away at moments for the Physical needs :-) |
| 05:40.38 | TiGZ | i have done that |
| 05:40.46 | TiGZ | i ran bootx with the kernel |
| 05:40.48 | TiGZ | now what |
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| 05:41.40 | enouf | TiGZ: I think I recall reading somebody saying you had to boot pressing the Command key and also hitting Option Key ?? |
| 05:41.59 | enouf | TiGZ: But could be WAY WAY off on that |
| 05:42.12 | enouf | TiGZ: But I |
| 05:42.33 | TiGZ | if u click run the kernel starts |
| 05:42.49 | TiGZ | but crashes because it has nothing to boot |
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| 05:43.21 | enouf | TiGZ: So you want to Install X ?? and a GUI (for web browsing and such) - a DE ,and a DM ?? |
| 05:43.28 | TiGZ | no |
| 05:43.30 | TiGZ | Debian |
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| 05:43.46 | enouf | TiGZ: oh...sorry just saw taht crashes comment |
| 05:44.34 | enouf | TiGZ: dang ..I'll read up too, since I could use the knowledge for future endeavors with my old world mac |
| 05:44.47 | phorce1 | enouf: We are probably in VERY different timezones. And, even though the hours seem long I only work 7 days out of every 14. 14 days/month. Everyone else I know works 20 days/month (5 days/week). |
| 05:45.21 | Hoxzer | I still lovetan you guys but I have lost my ADSL router and my other one (that I use) broke? ANy ideas how to fix this problem? |
| 05:45.32 | enouf | phorce1: Ok ..great !!! as long as use those off-days for leisure/pleasure :-) |
| 05:45.54 | enouf | phorce1: Or -- do you do another job too ...tsk, tsk |
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| 05:48.20 | phorce1 | enouf: working on the house/property I'm buying mostly. And working on my Volkswagens (need to get my garage rebuilt for that -- hurricane Rita flattened it last year) |
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| 05:49.16 | enouf | phorce1: TimeZones...nahhh Rita ?? I can help rebuild it -- I build for a living :-) |
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| 05:49.46 | lindenle | how do I make korganizer use webdav |
| 05:49.56 | lindenle | I have the server set up and cadaver works just fine |
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| 05:50.45 | phorce1 | enouf: I'm looking for used pilings (telephone pole type) right now. I plan to rebuild it so that a 100' pine tree falling on it won't smash it next time. |
| 05:50.50 | enouf | TiGZ: dang ....s/he just left and I was going to say put this into a Google "linuxppc.org userguide" -- came back with good info ...dang |
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| 05:53.03 | enouf | phorce1: you know -- you can get them through a Marine supplier (but used ?? hrmmm) ..perhaps the bottom of the bayou where these ppl can salvage these old 200-400yr old timbers and turn them into GOLD (chi-ching$$) because they're so well preserved |
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| 05:53.30 | rdgzt | I have a software RAID5 which for some reason doesn't think there are enough drives to start the RAID up, how do I convince it otherwise and get the RAID started without destroying any data? |
| 05:54.43 | phorce1 | enouf: I have a friend who works for the electric company. He said they are supposed to be doing some replacements soon and will call whenever they drop one. I have to keep a trailer ready to go grab them immediately though. But free is good. |
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| 05:57.19 | phorce1 | enouf: I haven't had time to price out new poles. I need probably 24 poles that are 20' long with a 10" butt end. I'm planning to go with a 48'x48' garage with 16' sidewalls. (for parking 5 Volkswagens plus my Chevy and room to work too) |
| 06:00.18 | _mh | all, I am trying to get krb5 authentication to ignore the root user -- general docs seem to point to pam_user.conf -- is this the right track to follow? I can't seem to google anything terribly useful either |
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| 06:08.05 | phorce1 | enouf: I think you just quit the OFTC server completely. I think the second "join" was ignored by the system earlier. |
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| 06:34.50 | enouf | phorce1; responding to [01:52:41] Yes -- Free is always good -- I was going to suggest the utility corps too ;-) |
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| 06:36.19 | david__ | what is the command to reconfigure exime4 |
| 06:36.50 | Kinks | dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 06:37.16 | enouf | phorce1; responding to [01:55:17] Wow -- that's pretty big for a Garage :-) But yeah -- For me , a Workshop too -- can't have too much room...and you mean 10" Diameter poles - yes?? What's the code down there for depth ?? into the ground 2' I suppose, but with 20 footers, sink them atleast 7-8' ..Up here it's 40" (3'4") at the minimum |
| 06:38.42 | david__ | nope not it... thanks anyway kinks |
| 06:38.45 | scanf | why does my sarge stable system freeye when I unplug a usb dvd drive? |
| 06:38.49 | enouf | phorce1; I would pour a solid concrete structure myself (and use the poles as Rafters ...hehehe)...but yeah, more expensive for solid and/or even block walls -- Pour a good concrete floor(slab) though |
| 06:38.51 | scanf | freeze |
| 06:39.10 | enouf | phorce1; Ok enough OT -- apoplogies all |
| 06:39.22 | enouf | phorce1; s/apoplogies/apologies |
| 06:39.47 | phorce1 | enouf: taking it to /msg |
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| 06:40.20 | david__ | anyone else know the command to reconfigure exime4 |
| 06:40.23 | scanf | I can't even ssh remotely to thebox |
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| 06:40.57 | enouf | phorce1 : I tried "/msg phorce1 "is this right ?"" and I KNOW I'm registered here -- what the heck gives darn software :-( |
| 06:42.06 | scanf | plugging it in is fine, but when I unplug it, everything locks hard |
| 06:42.47 | phorce1 | enouf: did you get my /msg? That's why I like irssi -- when I /msh someone it opens a new window and all further typing in that window is done by /msg automatically. |
| 06:43.14 | phorce1 | enouf: yes, /msg phorce1 should be correct and work fine |
| 06:43.44 | enouf | phorce1 :: YES indeed -- but I don't know how to send then yet .. I get the error: ["Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, ..yadayadayada" ] crap stil" |
| 06:43.44 | phorce1 | I'll try repeating it on the oftc server -- maybe it's a registration problem on freenode |
| 06:45.27 | enouf | phorce1: I can do "/msg phorce1" but I get "No text to send" ..and if I add ANY text after "/msg phorce1 [+ text]" I get that stupid PM message |
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| 06:46.14 | phorce1 | enouf: sounds like freenode didn't recognize your registration. Try re-sending /msg nickserv ident [your password] |
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| 06:46.52 | david__ | anyone know the command to reconfigure exime4 |
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| 06:47.16 | phorce1 | david__: dpkg-reconfigure [package name] |
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| 06:48.08 | david__ | hummm we tried that... did not work |
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| 06:49.30 | phorce1 | david__: Well, it's "exim4" and not "eximE4" -- did you spell it right? |
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| 06:50.01 | david__ | yes spelled right |
| 06:50.21 | david__ | all it does it goes to a new prompt -- no error |
| 06:51.13 | phorce1 | david__: do a 'dpkg -l|grep exim' to verify what you have installed |
| 06:52.22 | jetscreamer | it's eximconfig or something, not dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:53.02 | david__ | i do ... found the answer in a bull board.. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:53.23 | david__ | did not expect the config on the end there |
| 06:55.06 | enouf | david_: indeed..ther's only exim4 returned upon a "dpkg -l exim" in Sid -- hmmm |
| 06:55.39 | jetscreamer | or maybe usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf |
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| 06:56.40 | david__ | jetscreamer: found the answer in a bull board.. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:56.50 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.06 | enouf | jetscreamer: I tried both exim and exim4 ...funny exim4 returned ["ii" 4.62-2] and using only exim returned ["un" none] |
| 06:57.08 | jetscreamer | it 'may' do exactly the same thing |
| 06:58.56 | jetscreamer | exim is deprecated (exim3 i guess) |
| 06:59.11 | jetscreamer | i liked it better, very light and i never used it |
| 06:59.17 | jetscreamer | 'was woody default |
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| 07:06.24 | johnsu01 | Any speculation as to why I can't obexftp to my phone from my sarge system though it pairs successfully and can receive files from the phone? |
| 07:06.54 | johnsu01 | seems to be a problem with the pin helper |
| 07:07.04 | johnsu01 | fails with code 256 |
| 07:07.41 | johnsu01 | scratch that, the pin helper error is not in the log anymore. |
| 07:08.22 | johnsu01 | the file transfer just says failed, without explanation |
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| 07:19.48 | YoG | Hi, I have problem with hibernation, I manage to put the computer into hibernation, but when it wakes it starts as if it was powered off. Can anyone help? |
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| 07:27.25 | rockstar_ | Anyone here go to Defcon today? |
| 07:28.09 | deadcat_ | where at? |
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| 07:34.59 | ftatr2006 | hello |
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| 07:35.25 | ftatr2006 | is there any one here?? |
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| 07:35.34 | rockstar_ | I'm here... |
| 07:35.37 | ftatr2006 | cool |
| 07:35.51 | ftatr2006 | im having trouble |
| 07:35.58 | streuner_ | just ask |
| 07:36.08 | streuner_ | for the concret problem... |
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| 07:36.35 | streuner_ | !ask |
| 07:36.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:37.59 | ftatr2006 | i don't have debian. i have bsd thers no one on the bsd channel. im like a little new to this my windows don't work no more and i dont have a copy of windows. i was able to install bsd 6.0 but i cant get X to start i keep getting a display error |
| 07:38.22 | streuner_ | install debian otherwise we can't help |
| 07:38.29 | ftatr2006 | no |
| 07:38.44 | ftatr2006 | !!! |
| 07:38.45 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 07:38.48 | streuner_ | so have a fine day and move on |
| 07:39.03 | ftatr2006 | yor so adorable |
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| 07:40.17 | YoG | I have debian? why can't you help me? |
| 07:41.22 | Gnea | YoG: what's the problem? |
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| 07:42.02 | YoG | computer does not return to previous state after hibernation - it start as if it was powered off |
| 07:42.20 | Gnea | are you sure you set it up right? |
| 07:42.26 | liable | do you have the resume partition set? |
| 07:42.27 | stoned | try pushing some buttons |
| 07:42.36 | YoG | Gena:no |
| 07:42.39 | stoned | like power or reset |
| 07:42.40 | phorce1 | YoG: Probably becuase linux was never designed to "hibernate". In fact "hibernation" is handled in so many different ways depending on the chipset even Windows boxes tend to freak out if allowed to go into hibernate mode. Getting hibernate to work is hit-and-miss at best. |
| 07:42.42 | stoned | or hold them down |
| 07:42.50 | madssj | ftatr2006, what you are calling bsd is problery FreeBSD, so go to a FreeBSD channel and ask for help about it there, or just have a look in the FreeBSD handbook. |
| 07:43.07 | madssj | ftatr2006, either way, dont ask your FreeBSD questions here. |
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| 07:43.39 | Gnea | YoG: ok, well i've never done it, so you may want to look at a howto via google |
| 07:43.39 | YoG | stoned: the computer starts, but it forgot that it was hibernated |
| 07:44.13 | madssj | phorce1, is hibernation not handled by the os entierly? |
| 07:44.38 | Gnea | YoG: here, read this: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/05/24/1716222 |
| 07:44.48 | phorce1 | madssj: no, it's part of the ACPI spec if I recall correctly |
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| 07:45.09 | YoG | Gena: It worked before, then I reinstalled Etch... upgraded to 2.6.16 then it didn't work at all (bug?) then returning to 2.6.15 brought me to the current situation. |
| 07:45.25 | YoG | Geno: I'll look into it. |
| 07:45.30 | YoG | Gena, sorry |
| 07:45.32 | Gnea | YoG: ok, well first of all, my nick is Gnea not Gena or Geno |
| 07:45.36 | YoG | Gnea |
| 07:45.39 | Gnea | thank you |
| 07:45.48 | YoG | Sorry again |
| 07:46.14 | liable | hehe |
| 07:46.14 | madssj | phorce1, is that not suspend to ram which is supported by acpi? |
| 07:46.31 | Gnea | YoG: second, read that url i just pasted for you, it will tell you how it's done. etch isn't stable so there's not a whole lot that we can do about that. perhaps you forgot to compile some modules |
| 07:46.32 | YoG | Gnea: been there... |
| 07:47.01 | liable | YoG: do you have the hibernate package installed? |
| 07:47.09 | YoG | Gnea: no modules, worked "almost" out of the box |
| 07:47.25 | Gnea | YoG: well hibernation just doesn't work out of the box with debian. period. you have to set it up. |
| 07:48.24 | phorce1 | madssj: I'd have to look at the ACPI specs again. I don't use sleep or hibernate on any of my machines. If they aren't needed then they get turned off. |
| 07:48.31 | phorce1 | madssj: ;-D |
| 07:49.11 | YoG | Gnea: thats why I said "almost", but it was a matter of changing some policy files and usergroups... |
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| 07:49.17 | madssj | phorce1, nither do i :) |
| 07:49.37 | YoG | liable: I can tell you what I did, maybe It'll work for you... |
| 07:50.04 | madssj | phorce1, and yes, in deed |
| 07:52.33 | YoG | I'm starting to think about reinstalling Etch... |
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| 07:56.08 | liable | YoG: i have an old thinkpad that it works great on, this new one however, is proving to be a bit of a pain |
| 07:56.22 | Gnea | YoG: why do you need etch? |
| 07:58.02 | YoG | Gnea: I don't know, I'm a newbie here, I thought it would have the newest stuff |
| 07:58.52 | Gnea | YoG: nope. since you're new, and you want newer stuff, your best bet is to stick with sarge and use backports with it |
| 07:58.57 | Gnea | !tell yog about backports |
| 07:59.03 | Gnea | backports rock |
| 07:59.11 | Gnea | you can get the latest kernel with it too |
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| 07:59.24 | Gnea | not everything is up to date there, but at least it'll be rock solid |
| 07:59.55 | Gnea | YoG: etch is current the testing release, and as such is prone to unpredictable bugs and problems |
| 08:00.23 | Gnea | if you don't know what you're doing, as you have stated that you already don't, then etch is not a good solution |
| 08:02.07 | YoG | Gnea: actually I was pretty pleased with the results, I can try sarge, if you think I'll manage to get everything to work... |
| 08:02.55 | lunitik | Gnea: go to bed damnit :P |
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| 08:03.39 | uwe | hello, im trying to upgrade from sarge to testing, i forced upgrading udev by touching /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade , but it doesnt offer the 2.6.16 kernel, only 2.6.8 ... and i fear if i reboot it wont start again |
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| 08:03.51 | uwe | any suggestions |
| 08:04.16 | liable | uwe: linux-image not kernel-image |
| 08:05.30 | uwe | thank you liable |
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| 08:05.38 | uwe | :) it worked, thank you very much |
| 08:05.40 | YoG | ok, off to install sarge... |
| 08:06.10 | ktwilight | is there a noflushd equivalent for SATA drives? |
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| 08:08.14 | Gnea | YoG: just follow the instructions link at the backports page and you should be good to go |
| 08:08.17 | Gnea | lunitik: bah :P |
| 08:08.45 | YoG | Gnea: ok, thanx |
| 08:08.48 | Gnea | lunitik: hey, do you know anything about wireless networking? |
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| 08:09.51 | lunitik | Gnea: not really... although I've gotten simple things to work... |
| 08:10.05 | lunitik | (mostly with the prism module...) |
| 08:10.07 | erps | I want to use exim4-daemon-heavy with postgrey (have a config setup in exim to do that) .. but when I try to apt-get postgrey it insists on installing postfix and deleting exim4-daemon-heavy ... How can I resolve this? |
| 08:10.47 | Gnea | lunitik: *nod* i'm trying to get WPA to work without a radius server (just a passphrase) |
| 08:11.15 | lunitik | Gnea: I'd use NetworkManager for that... |
| 08:11.33 | ftatr2006 | how can i delete a file? |
| 08:11.36 | Gnea | network-manager? |
| 08:11.43 | Gnea | !tell ftatr2006 about newbiedoc |
| 08:11.45 | lunitik | ftatr2006: rm? |
| 08:11.51 | ftatr2006 | lol |
| 08:12.00 | Gnea | !tell ftatr2006 about newbie_guide |
| 08:12.07 | lunitik | Gnea: yeah... its the redhat/novell thinger to make such things easier |
| 08:12.18 | Gnea | lunitik: thanks, i'll check it out |
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| 08:12.37 | lunitik | Gnea: the kde and gnome applets are in sid... should be in testing too... not sure what branch you use... |
| 08:12.47 | Gnea | sid |
| 08:13.03 | lunitik | Gnea: ahh... then it should be no problem :P |
| 08:13.08 | Gnea | waiting for dist-upgrade to finish :) |
| 08:13.13 | Gnea | hopefully this will fix the python issue |
| 08:13.15 | YoG | Gnea: Etch=testing, Sarge=Stable, Sid=? |
| 08:13.27 | Gnea | YoG: Sid=Unstable |
| 08:13.28 | ktwilight | btw, dpkg doesn't display a complete statement for "noflushd" it's cut off. |
| 08:13.36 | Gnea | YoG: i run sid because i know what i'm doing |
| 08:13.43 | Gnea | but i run sarge on my servers |
| 08:13.52 | Gnea | they're more mission critical |
| 08:14.34 | uwe | ive installed the newer kernel, but it installed lilo, and didnt upgrade grub, and when i run /sbin/lilo it says theres no /etc/lilo.conf file!! what should i do :( |
| 08:14.52 | Gnea | uwe: sarge? |
| 08:15.03 | uwe | i mean /boot/grub/menu.lst doesnt have a newer kernel entry |
| 08:15.06 | Gnea | lunitik: whoa, tonight? |
| 08:15.13 | uwe | Gnea, upgrading from sarge to testing |
| 08:15.29 | cydork | lunitik, it's been a long time huh ?? ;) |
| 08:15.35 | Gnea | uwe: dunno why it'd install lilo - you should uninstall lilo and stick with grub |
| 08:15.41 | lunitik | Gnea: yeah... AMC30... turned Bamboo someshit into a club for the night :'( |
| 08:15.58 | lunitik | cydork: not really... like 3 weeks? thats entirely too long though for me |
| 08:16.18 | uwe | Gnea, ok, but how to make it add an entry to menu.lst |
| 08:16.26 | Gnea | lunitik: wow, i haven't been to a club in years now.... haven't been to any out here yet |
| 08:16.43 | Gnea | uwe: it should update on its own, otherwise just edit it by hand |
| 08:16.46 | liable | Gnea: the wpa docs are pretty good, also man wpa_action if you want to have mutiple ap's to connect to with encryption |
| 08:16.47 | lunitik | Gnea: someone called the cops about people gambling because they weren't allowed in for a frozen tshirt thinger |
| 08:16.48 | cydork | Gnea, You are missing some great things :P |
| 08:17.02 | lunitik | Gnea: I'm only 22, have to go to clubs :P |
| 08:17.04 | Gnea | cydork: maybe, maybe not ;) |
| 08:17.07 | Gnea | lunitik: hehe |
| 08:17.30 | cydork | Gnea, heheh |
| 08:17.30 | Gnea | lunitik: well, i'm down for some clubbing, but after tonight, it'll be at least a few weeks before i can :( |
| 08:17.38 | lunitik | woot @ reason for girls to get almost topless... works for me |
| 08:18.16 | lunitik | Gnea: how old are you? I'm into hip hop etc... most in here wouldn't be down with my scene... |
| 08:18.34 | Gnea | the next 5 days are jam-packed with work (8+ hours each day) then i'll be in ny for a week, then back to the grind |
| 08:18.39 | enouf | hey all...How can I tell k3b to (re)mount a partition rw ? (It needs rw access to use as a /tmp when burning, but the partition is not mounted yet, ......and I already have an "rw" entry in /etc/fstab for that HDD's partition (hda3) :: [ /dev/hda3 /mnt/p3 ext2 rw,user,noauto 0 0] |
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| 08:18.59 | Gnea | lunitik: i've got 8 years on ya.. i'm more into techno/industrial |
| 08:19.28 | lunitik | Gnea: I'm into Techno... more the cherpy stuff than dark shit though... not much of a scene for that in the valley though |
| 08:19.29 | enouf | I only want to give k3b rw access ...but it appears even allowing the whole partition rw is not working |
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| 08:19.38 | jbrimble | Is it possible to configure cron to print something automatically every day? |
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| 08:19.47 | cydork | enouf, k3b doesn't mount any partition, you can set the tmp file some in options though. |
| 08:19.51 | enouf | On Sid -- 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 08:20.37 | Gnea | lunitik: i'm not sure about that... hopefully soon i can work on some more stuff and maybe get a direct drive system up |
| 08:21.03 | enouf | cydork: hi I diod that -- and that's where the problem is .. I get an error in the k3b "Settings" when I click OK -- it says, "you don't have permission to write to that dir" or simialr |
| 08:21.07 | lunitik | Gnea: ahhh... you DJ? |
| 08:21.34 | Gnea | lunitik: not officially, but i like to do it as a hobby online sometimes :) |
| 08:21.44 | lunitik | Gnea: probably the best place on this side of town is Hurricane Bay though... play most anything, and very broad age range... |
| 08:21.52 | cydork | enouf, so check permissions |
| 08:22.15 | Gnea | lunitik: never heard of it... heh, everyday i learn something new here |
| 08:22.45 | lunitik | Gnea: 43rd and Bell ... across the street from Albertsons |
| 08:23.06 | Gnea | w00t, democracyplayer works now! |
| 08:23.48 | cydork | Gnea, i love democracyplayer :P |
| 08:23.55 | Gnea | lunitik: i'm quite skeptical of the crowds tho... most anywhere i go it's a bunch of drug addicts who have no idea what they're doing :P |
| 08:23.58 | lunitik | Gnea: they play _everything_ ... decent vibe too! |
| 08:24.04 | ftatr2006 | im trying to run xwindows and i get this error X connection :0.0 broken |
| 08:24.25 | Gnea | !tell ftatr2006 about ask |
| 08:24.32 | Gnea | ftatr2006: could you provide some more information please? |
| 08:24.50 | lunitik | Gnea: ahhaaa... Hurricane Bay, girls freak to country and stuff... its crazy... but its a very friendly vibe... not like Club Blaze or The Buzz |
| 08:25.06 | ftatr2006 | BSD 6.0 SIS DISPLAY card |
| 08:25.11 | uwe | thank you, i had to edit it by hand, it works now |
| 08:25.18 | Gnea | ftatr2006: BSD? |
| 08:25.48 | ftatr2006 | how can i set the resolution |
| 08:25.52 | enouf | cydork: 'm thinking the issue is "bigger" ..b/c whenever I fire up k3b it wants me to go through "Setup" - and I'm thrown out this error http://pastebin.ca/116451 so, I'm then prompted for Root passwd (which I enter successfully) ....I click Ok, to walk through the Setup and it won'tsave my settings -- Error "Could not update All permissions" |
| 08:25.59 | ftatr2006 | i can only work with what i have |
| 08:26.02 | Gnea | ftatr2006: wait wait WAIT - BSD? what BSD? |
| 08:26.03 | ftatr2006 | and thats all i have |
| 08:26.17 | ftatr2006 | freebsd |
| 08:26.22 | lunitik | Gnea: only one around 6.x is FreeBSD ;) |
| 08:26.35 | lunitik | Gnea: NetBSD is around 2.x ... OpenBSD is around 3.x |
| 08:26.43 | Gnea | ftatr2006: are you aware that you're not in the right place? |
| 08:26.47 | lunitik | Gnea: apt-cache search freebsd source |
| 08:26.50 | ftatr2006 | yes |
| 08:26.53 | ftatr2006 | i know |
| 08:26.58 | Gnea | then why are you here? |
| 08:27.06 | ftatr2006 | there is no one @ the other place |
| 08:27.07 | cydork | ftatr2006, heheh then try xorgconfig |
| 08:27.16 | Gnea | well that's too bad. |
| 08:27.17 | lunitik | ftatr2006: not our problem |
| 08:27.29 | Gnea | ftatr2006: you're going to HAVE to settle on #freebsd, we can't help you. |
| 08:27.32 | enouf | cydork: i've tried ticking "Use this group" {Cdrom} , and unticking it too -- either way the same error about updating permissions |
| 08:27.41 | Gnea | the problem is freebsd specific |
| 08:27.56 | Gnea | !freebsd |
| 08:27.56 | dpkg | i heard freebsd is NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. there exists debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd |
| 08:28.38 | lunitik | !info kfreebsd-source-5.4 sid |
| 08:28.42 | dpkg | kfreebsd-source-5.4: (source code for kernel of FreeBSD 5.4 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 5.4-17 (sid), Packaged size: 12833 kB, Installed size: 12876 kB |
| 08:28.43 | enouf | cydork: Funny thing is -- AFAICT, I can burn CD/DVDs...but "I think" it's using my small "hdc" /tmp dir, and not the huge 18GB dir on hda3 that I set aside for it |
| 08:29.47 | cydork | enouf, then i still think there is a problem with permmission of the other dir. |
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| 08:30.15 | berkes | morning. |
| 08:30.26 | lunitik | berkes: morning |
| 08:30.55 | FlopsyPete | anyone know how I can clear Synaptic's 'New in repository' list so I can see whats new with every update, rather than the list being cumulative? |
| 08:31.41 | berkes | I was wondering if anyone knows some tricks to make the management of a chrooted apache a little easier. It is very annoying to work with that, because symlinks and so are all different in the chroot and in the real env. |
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| 08:32.29 | enouf | cydork: I think I need to alter permissions on 'cdrdao' |
| 08:32.50 | enouf | It says 0755 inside K3b Setup |
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| 08:33.16 | enouf | cydork: "0755 root root" that is |
| 08:33.59 | cydork | enouf, that wont explain how you can write cds using /tmp |
| 08:34.21 | enouf | cydork: The New permissions try to say "4710 root.cdrom" |
| 08:34.33 | enouf | cydork: Oh ...ok - i hear ya |
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| 08:35.15 | Gnea | lunitik: hrm, network manager doesn't work with E17 |
| 08:35.43 | lunitik | Gnea: ahhh... I don't know why... |
| 08:35.59 | lunitik | Gnea: there is network-manager-gnome and knetworkmanager |
| 08:36.07 | enouf | cydork: the best way for me to explain what I'm seeing is a screenshot -- please have a look and tell me if there's anything you see wrong http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/iforone/zzzzeuieirhehhyeiy.png |
| 08:36.16 | Gnea | lunitik: E17 doesn't support gnome hooks, iirc |
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| 08:37.45 | lunitik | enouf: ahh... photobucket.... haha |
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| 08:38.39 | cydork | enouf, i dont think anything wrong there. what about checking ll /mnt/p3 |
| 08:38.51 | enouf | lunitik : how about chiming in with something useful :-p |
| 08:39.45 | lunitik | enouf: I don't use k3b... I just install it because its easier to type 'k3b' than 'cdrecord mkisofs' etc |
| 08:40.19 | enouf | cydork -- yeah ..I have /mnt/p3 setup in /etc/fstab as 'rw' ...but 'noauto' so it's not mounted yet - is that the problem ?? -- I only want k3b to mount it (when fire it up)...is that possible? |
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| 08:40.28 | lunitik | enouf: sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data foo ... or --audio etc |
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| 08:40.58 | cydork | enouf, yep that might be the prob. |
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| 08:41.14 | lunitik | enouf: I'd say you'd need to be in the burning group though... and have the group own /dev/whatever/your/cdrom/device/is |
| 08:41.30 | enouf | lunitik : Ok - guys thanks -- let me try a few things -- I'll be back -- thanks again so far |
| 08:42.28 | enouf | lunitik : I (my Username) am already in the groups "audio" and "cdrom" and have been for some time now (in /etc/group file) |
| 08:44.40 | enouf | cydork, lunitik: Is there any way to dpkg-reconfigure cdrdao ?? I did apt-cache search cdrdao, and no --config pkg is listed - I also tried it to 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure cdrdao' to no avail, no error just kicked back to prompt |
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| 08:45.25 | enouf | cydork, lunitik: The pastebin error http://pastebin.ca/116451 says that k3bSetup will take care of it |
| 08:45.33 | lunitik | cydork: beats the hell out of requiring gnome stuff :/ |
| 08:45.46 | enouf | oh boy...here we go ... |
| 08:45.56 | lunitik | enouf: I had to :o |
| 08:46.11 | enouf | roflmao |
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| 08:46.32 | lunitik | enouf: I really don't know about k3b though... last time I tried it... it burned an iso to a cd... ie, the iso was on the cd, not the contents of the iso |
| 08:48.08 | lunitik | Its easier to just use cdrecord propper |
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| 08:48.28 | lunitik | proper* |
| 08:48.28 | enouf | lunitik: I can burn ISOs on my HDD no prob and can also use cdparanoia from the xterm no prob...In think I need remove the 'noauto' entry from /etc/fstab or something -- here it is again: [ /dev/hda3 /mnt/p3 ext2 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:48.28 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.59 | cydork | enouf, i think you shout remove that noauto. |
| 08:49.18 | cydork | enouf, mount it nad try again. |
| 08:49.23 | cydork | s/nad/and |
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| 08:51.05 | enouf | cydork: Thanks ...just trying to keep the "always mounted" partitions to a minimum (I really don't use that HDD for anything else right now, since it contains an older Redmond virus ;-) - but I guess it won't hurt to do so...I wanted to keep the whole physical HDD unavailable until k3b requires it only, and unmount upon exiting |
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| 08:52.37 | cydork | enouf, and if you use sid you may like to try bonfire ;) |
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| 08:54.27 | enouf | cydork ...hmmm I mounted it no prob...still SAME Error -- "could not update all peremissions:" BUT this time I wasn't prompted for Root Passwd ...:-( |
| 08:54.40 | enouf | Want a funky munkey |
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| 08:55.01 | enouf | s/Want/What a funky munkey |
| 08:55.18 | wireddd | wow, it isn't everyday that a hot drunk naked chick knocks on your front door at 4:55 in the morning |
| 08:55.36 | cydork | wireddd, who what where?? |
| 08:55.42 | enouf | cydork: now cut that out |
| 08:56.10 | cydork | enouf, he mentioned nake drunk chick man !! |
| 08:56.21 | cydork | s/nake/naked |
| 08:56.30 | enouf | cydork: I meant about the Sid -- not the chicky boomboom |
| 08:56.36 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 08:56.38 | enouf | :-) |
| 08:56.44 | cydork | hehehhehe |
| 08:57.33 | cydork | wireddd, is she gone, or still i have chance to get there :P |
| 08:57.59 | wireddd | i'm not kidding, I heard someone knocking on my door, so I went down stairs and opened it, and the girl that lives one appartment over was standing there soaking wet and naked. Apparently she was skinny dipping with her boyfriend in the pool and he stole her clothes and ran back into their appartment and she chased after him but picked the wrong door to beat on. |
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| 08:59.48 | enouf | cydork: Ahhh.screw it - as long as I can burn, I could care less what k3b thinks who, what has permissions ...hehehe -- I just have to manually issue a "mount /mnt/p3" every now anfd then, when I fire 'er up -- I ain;t letting this HDD get mounted just to sit there and stare at me all day and get old and droooping boobies...I getta get my use outta that girl ;-) |
| 08:59.48 | wireddd | she took two steps into my apartment, looked at me and said, is this b7? and then turned around and ran back out the door |
| 08:59.48 | raf256 | decisions decisions |
| 08:59.50 | raf256 | I wonder should I reinstall into stable? |
| 08:59.53 | wireddd | it was quite surreal |
| 08:59.58 | enouf | wirreddd: you writing a penthouse forum novel are ya ?? |
| 09:00.12 | enouf | wireddd: <<--whoops |
| 09:00.16 | raf256 | I am annoyed by problems with testing, failing sound system, graphics (i810), printing, and others |
| 09:00.49 | raf256 | on the other hand I might need some rare packages from testing. it is a good idea to reinstalls? |
| 09:00.50 | Gnea | wireddd: times like that when a mounted camera above the door would be nice ;) |
| 09:00.50 | cydork | enouf, heheheh |
| 09:00.52 | raf256 | there is no other way of downgrading entire/most system? can't I just tell synaptic to downgrade all/most packages? |
| 09:00.55 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:00.56 | enouf | wireddd: where's the dang camera when you need it |
| 09:01.08 | Mazingaro | I've got this error on kde mounting a dvd: |
| 09:01.11 | wireddd | Gnea, yes I think I need a front door security cammera |
| 09:01.15 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:03.41 | blondie | wireddd: you must be traumatised. |
| 09:03.48 | enouf | cydork, lunitik: you know -- I am willing to help find bugs in apps and such (after all I'm using Sid) ..I'm just not too confident about my GNU/Linux abilities yet to know if what I find is an "actual" bug or not |
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| 09:04.32 | lunitik | enouf: if something doesn't work how you expect, its a bug until told differently imo |
| 09:04.40 | enouf | wireddd: I'd be spray-parinting the ceiling by now ... |
| 09:04.48 | pwned | hi, how do you recover from a completely removed /etc with no backups ? |
| 09:04.54 | enouf | lunitik: Thanks for that -- I'll remember that |
| 09:05.34 | wireddd | there is no way I am going to be able to goto sleep now.... |
| 09:05.35 | lunitik | enouf: at the very least, filing a bug on such things might convince maintainers to make that the default config... |
| 09:05.45 | lunitik | wireddd: shitty |
| 09:05.59 | lunitik | wireddd: drugs are bad mmmkay |
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| 09:06.16 | wireddd | lunitik, scroll up |
| 09:06.30 | vick | How do i assign the volume keys on the laptop to like getting the volume up and down and mute ? |
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| 09:06.44 | UniXoiDe | hi all |
| 09:06.51 | enouf | lunitik: ...oh Ok ..I guess Once I had finally mounted and it did have rw permissions, that atleast then finally the config shoudl hold up and not spew errors ...huh? |
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| 09:07.21 | lunitik | wireddd: go jerk off, you'll be fine |
| 09:07.42 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 09:07.44 | enouf | s/spray-parinting/spray-painting -- does anyone get that ?? |
| 09:07.52 | enouf | Ahhh...lunu\itik does :-) |
| 09:08.00 | enouf | Ahhh...lunitik * |
| 09:08.29 | lunitik | enouf: I have no idea what you're talking about... |
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| 09:08.54 | enouf | lunitik: yes you do -- remember writing your name in the snow ?? |
| 09:08.58 | ice_1963 | hello lunitik |
| 09:09.05 | lunitik | enouf: wait, what? |
| 09:09.11 | lunitik | enouf: I'm not that drunk... |
| 09:09.14 | lunitik | ice_1963: hi |
| 09:09.15 | enouf | lunitik: ROFLMAO |
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| 09:09.37 | SpeedyG | de_vogon from groningen lol :) |
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| 09:11.43 | enouf | goes off to grab a beer to catch up and dream about aimlessly wandering beautiful ladies, in the middle of the night, randomly walking about naked ... |
| 09:12.08 | SpeedyG | nice dreamsubject :P |
| 09:13.20 | raf256 | to have more stable support for my hardware I should move to stable right? but then, some bugfixes and drivers/soft are only in unstable, what then? |
| 09:13.24 | raf256 | perhaps backports? |
| 09:13.32 | Gnea | ok, startx -display :1 refuses to work, it complains about the server running on 0 already - but that's the point of :1 is to run a whole new server! |
| 09:13.49 | raf256 | startx -- :1 |
| 09:13.53 | raf256 | or :2 perhaps |
| 09:14.19 | Gnea | thanks :) |
| 09:14.45 | raf256 | wow I halped op, now I can channlange him for title of Iron Devel, bam! |
| 09:15.57 | berkes | anyone here familiar with pear::console_getopts ? |
| 09:16.26 | pwned | what does a poor sod do when he removes /etc ? |
| 09:16.27 | vick | what's the package name for xmodmap or simmiliar program ? |
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| 09:17.20 | enouf | Mazingaro: sounds as if maybe you don't have an entry in /etc/fstab for the DVD Drive ?? |
| 09:18.07 | raf256 | how can I downgrade to stable, can I just downgrade most packages (they will trigger rest anyway probably)? |
| 09:18.20 | enouf | pwned: can't think of anything off-hand ... |
| 09:19.58 | pwned | I can't even get root because there's no /etc/passwd |
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| 09:20.24 | berkes | sorry, that above about pear was ment for another chan :) |
| 09:20.40 | enouf | raf256: I'm not going to recommend unstable or testing, but for me, newer Kernels seem to support the hardware better - even this old PII, Intel 440bx set |
| 09:20.57 | raf256 | I kompile kernel by had anyway |
| 09:21.06 | raf256 | speaking of... stable alsow works as well as udev? |
| 09:21.22 | liable | vick: xbase-clients /msg dpkg search |
| 09:21.23 | raf256 | or do stable have some > 3 month old stuff |
| 09:21.33 | enouf | pwned: you can create files and populate them ...yes ? |
| 09:21.47 | vick | What's an advance mixer program that i can change it's settings using command line options ? |
| 09:21.48 | pwned | enouf: yes |
| 09:22.08 | pwned | enouf: but I can't google to see how to fill them |
| 09:22.09 | vick | like i can mute it or increase / decrease volume using arguments |
| 09:22.34 | SpeedyG | hmz, I had one of those.. but can't remember its name :( |
| 09:22.34 | enouf | pwned: Maybe create a /etc/passwd file ... oh ok .. do you remember what the root user and passwd was ?? |
| 09:22.44 | pwned | enouf: yes, I do |
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| 09:23.03 | enouf | pwned: lemme see about the syntax -- hold on |
| 09:23.08 | pwned | man this feels lame. |
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| 09:25.10 | enouf | pwned: here ya go ; http://pastebin.ca/116500 |
| 09:25.16 | pwned | enouf: no browsing (= |
| 09:25.29 | enouf | go to #flood thewn |
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| 09:29.00 | pwned | enouf: I copied it down, but I'm really sorry to say that I have no permission to actually create in / =P |
| 09:29.34 | enouf | pwned: You're going to have to boot to a LiveCd and 'chroot' then so you can actually write to HDD |
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| 09:30.20 | enouf | pwned: BTW -- how the heck did this happen ?? |
| 09:30.22 | pwned | enouf: well I have my /home mounted separately, so I will just install a new system to / |
| 09:30.48 | pwned | enouf: I was going to type sudo rm -rf /etc/jabber , but tab misfired and I did sudo rm -rf /etc/ |
| 09:31.03 | raf256 | lol |
| 09:31.22 | pwned | and I have a bunch of excuses for being hasty (= |
| 09:31.26 | enouf | pwned: whoops ... you should have used apt-get --purge remove jabber instead |
| 09:31.38 | pwned | oh I did, the directory wasn't empty so it wasn't removed |
| 09:32.38 | enouf | pwned: hmmm -- I was told do NOT use -d nor -f .. you can use 'rmdir' but I'm not sure how that wiould've protected you or not ...have Backup ;-) |
| 09:33.35 | pwned | backing up /etc never occurred to me, it changes too often to be very useful, since I'm always learning stuff |
| 09:33.42 | pwned | now I wish I had =P |
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| 09:34.01 | enouf | lunitik: atleast kde has a Trash bin eh ?? ...hehehe |
| 09:34.19 | pwned | you know what's good? rm /etc/jabber -rf |
| 09:34.26 | enouf | pwned: and ferequently as a cron job using rsync perhaps |
| 09:34.28 | pwned | you will realize the mistake before you write the -rf |
| 09:34.52 | enouf | pwned: ...good one -- ther ya go ;-) |
| 09:35.14 | enouf | pwned: not sure it'd recognize the PATH and THEN the options though |
| 09:35.24 | pwned | enouf: it works |
| 09:35.34 | enouf | pwned: Ok then -- cool |
| 09:36.07 | lunitik | enouf: KDE == bad topic to bring up unless you have nice things to say ;) |
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| 09:37.20 | enouf | raf256: just found out that uyou can have udev in Sarge as well -- you must remember to --purge remove 'hotplug' though |
| 09:37.33 | Thunderguy | I just had a very serious problem with my system and need some help diagnosing what happened so I can avoid it again. |
| 09:37.52 | enouf | lunitik: how much nicer can I say ?? The trash bin would've saved this guy |
| 09:38.32 | lunitik | enouf: ahh... I wasn't paying attention |
| 09:39.04 | Thunderguy | Basically I'm in an Xserver environment, and the screen froze, although the mouse pointer would still move, the keyboard completely locked up with a locked up Xserver and ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-alt-backspace and even ctrl-alt-del which are usual hotkeys to abort the xserver, didn't work, I couldn't get any keyboard key to respond and had to shut down the system by pressing the power button |
| 09:39.04 | enouf | lunitik: But..I guess s/he'd have to give root privs to KDE ...just to Delete to Trash bin, and I wouldn't do that |
| 09:40.21 | enouf | Thunderguy: ...and ? |
| 09:40.44 | Thunderguy | enouf: I'm trying to understand what happened, does the Xserver control the keyboard or does the system? |
| 09:40.53 | lindi- | Thunderguy: not much to do if you already reset the box |
| 09:40.59 | lindi- | Thunderguy: you should have logged over ssh |
| 09:41.15 | Thunderguy | lindi-: I don't have another box to log in with ssh, nor do I have ssh set up |
| 09:41.30 | enouf | Thunderguy: well there;'s always the magic Sysrq key combos |
| 09:41.46 | Thunderguy | enouf: know any I could try next time? |
| 09:42.24 | enouf | Thunderguy: You 1st have to do 2 things to make sure youhave that support for it |
| 09:43.26 | Thunderguy | hmm |
| 09:43.39 | enouf | Thunderguy: holdtight a sec |
| 09:44.02 | Thunderguy | Alright, yeah What I think happened is when the Xserver locked up it locked the keyboard so that I couldn't use hotkeys to exit the Xserver |
| 09:44.15 | enouf | Thunderguy: here ya go -- REad all/any related Docs completely ... http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/sysrq-keys-support.html |
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| 09:45.56 | Thunderguy | hmm, are Xserver locks common then? |
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| 09:46.42 | enouf | Thunderguy: how the heck would I know :-) |
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| 09:48.29 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 09:49.18 | enouf | stranger_stone: what it b ? |
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| 09:57.31 | YoG | Gnea: finished installing Sarge, now X doesnt start :( - it worked out of the box with Etch... :( |
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| 09:58.33 | wronak | i have upgraded fr crt to 17" lcd. almost perfect fr power up without me having to config for lcd but the view is skewed to the left. no button in the monitor to adjust h-position. when i try dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg, there is no option to adjust video settings. i remember i was able to do it when i was using the crt. can anyone explain what is happening? |
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| 10:00.11 | techno123_ch | hello can anyone help me in using opera browser |
| 10:00.19 | lunitik | !worked for cafuego |
| 10:00.20 | dpkg | Cafuego is an idiot, but he got it working without any problems. What does that say about you? |
| 10:00.24 | lunitik | haha @ that |
| 10:00.24 | cydork | !tell YoG about drxx |
| 10:00.59 | lunitik | YoG: why were you fixing something that isn't broken? |
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| 10:01.11 | lunitik | (installing sarge instead of using etch) |
| 10:01.43 | techno123_ch | hello, url field is missing in my opera browser is disappeared suddenly...i donno how to get it back, can anyone help me with that |
| 10:02.00 | lunitik | techno123_ch: Opera isn't supported here |
| 10:02.08 | techno123_ch | ok bye |
| 10:02.21 | lunitik | techno123_ch: peace |
| 10:02.33 | techno123_ch | ok |
| 10:03.43 | enouf | wronak: there's gotta be monitor buttons that control that (horiz/vert position)...hows about a "auto-adjust" |
| 10:04.28 | YoG | lunitik: Gnea suggested working with Sarge instead of Etch... |
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| 10:04.43 | enouf | techno123_ch: look for #opera |
| 10:04.50 | lunitik | YoG: he probably had a good reason... don't mind me |
| 10:04.51 | wronak | enouf: u r a genius. indeed there is a button for auto-adjust and it solves the problem. thks. |
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| 10:05.30 | enouf | wronak: would yoiu please tell "sven" that I do have a use then ... hehehe -- your welcome |
| 10:05.55 | YoG | cydork: that was too technical for me |
| 10:06.15 | wronak | enouf: sven been saying that u r useless? i'll have a word with him. hehe. |
| 10:06.25 | CAiRO | is there a way to have a different umask for certain directories? |
| 10:06.34 | enouf | wronak: thanks much ;-) |
| 10:07.24 | cydork | YoG: then try dexconf as root! |
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| 10:07.33 | wronak | enouf is enouf. |
| 10:07.38 | wronak | hahaha |
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| 10:08.09 | enouf | wronak: oh yeah; the glam band hehe |
| 10:08.48 | wronak | bye, got to test out my new toy. |
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| 10:09.08 | YoG | cydork: ok |
| 10:09.09 | enouf | wronak: I'm much heavier in my music then those fairies - hehehe, but they had that song, "Fly high Michelle" |
| 10:09.26 | cydork | enouf, You are late ^^ :) |
| 10:09.49 | enouf | cydork...again ? dang |
| 10:10.11 | enouf | I wanna prize anyway -- maybe a pony -- can you help me ?? |
| 10:10.25 | blondie | no |
| 10:11.01 | enouf | blondie: boohoo -- however to gain my collection of my string of poloponies |
| 10:11.05 | enouf | ? |
| 10:11.17 | blondie | give birth to one |
| 10:11.51 | enouf | blondie: ROFLMFAO .... dang girl (I think) ... |
| 10:12.04 | blondie | who are you calling a girl? |
| 10:12.52 | enouf | blondie: Whooops ... ok brother -- how's it hanging :-) |
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| 10:13.19 | YoG | cydork: nothing happend. went back to shell. then I tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart. and got the same problem. |
| 10:13.57 | enouf | << -- goes off to grab more beer ! |
| 10:14.09 | cydork | YoG, did dexconf give any errors?? |
| 10:14.10 | liable | YoG: we need the error message if we are to help. grep EE /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 10:14.31 | liable | or is it XFree86.0.log?? |
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| 10:15.09 | lunitik | liable: /var/log/X[tab] ;) |
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| 10:15.48 | enouf | !prize me |
| 10:15.52 | kgoetz | why is contrib in debian so small? is it no longer maintained stuff, or does it have a specific purpose? |
| 10:15.56 | enouf | Wha ??? |
| 10:16.00 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 10:16.05 | lunitik | !punish enouf |
| 10:16.06 | enouf | I wanted a beer! |
| 10:16.14 | enouf | !beer me |
| 10:16.17 | kgoetz | rofl lunitik |
| 10:16.20 | lunitik | enouf: you can't give yourself prizes! |
| 10:16.23 | enouf | ahhh ...that's better ;-) |
| 10:16.29 | YoG | cydork: no errors. |
| 10:16.31 | lunitik | enouf: thats cheating! |
| 10:16.37 | YoG | liable: just a sec... |
| 10:16.41 | azeem | kgoetz: why should it be bigger? |
| 10:16.54 | enouf | I just did :-P just don't know how to get ponies for myself from the bot |
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| 10:17.43 | lunitik | !prize me |
| 10:17.44 | enouf | lunitik: o-u-c-h- that fscken hurt bad -- now how am I supposed to spray-paint ?? |
| 10:17.45 | kgoetz | azeem: i'm used to the ubuntus universe - the big part, and main being small |
| 10:17.53 | enouf | cheater |
| 10:17.55 | cydork | YoG, then you have to digg in to technical stuff and do drxx !! |
| 10:17.59 | azeem | kgoetz: contrib does not map to universe |
| 10:18.01 | enouf | !punish lunitik |
| 10:18.05 | lunitik | enouf: :P |
| 10:18.08 | azeem | enouf: please /msg the bot |
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| 10:18.14 | YoG | cydork: ???? |
| 10:18.27 | enouf | azeem: ...sorry |
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| 10:18.28 | lunitik | azeem: spoil sport :P |
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| 10:18.31 | cydork | !drxx |
| 10:18.31 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 10:18.51 | rlaager | What's the proper way to note that a package depends on versions of software in the X.Y.* series? I'm thinking something like: >= X.Y.0 < X.(Y+1).0 ... For example: >= 1.2.0 < 1.3.0 ... Is it really that simple? |
| 10:18.58 | enouf | lunitik; thought maybe that dpkg would have a few differnt ones -- thats' why |
| 10:18.59 | azeem | kgoetz: contrib is for programs which are Free Software but depend on non-free software for building or operation |
| 10:19.07 | azeem | kgoetz: universe is just Free Software |
| 10:19.17 | azeem | kgoetz: Ubuntu keeps Debian's contrib in multiverse |
| 10:19.20 | war95 | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 10:19.21 | cydork | rlaager, yes |
| 10:19.25 | war95 | anyone else getting this? |
| 10:19.32 | liran_ | when i press the ctrl+z key while on a running process does it stop and go to the background or goes to the background and continue? |
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| 10:19.36 | kgoetz | azeem: oh, right. thanks :) i always thought contrib=universe |
| 10:19.45 | kgoetz | thanks:) |
| 10:19.48 | azeem | kgoetz: no, Debian's main == Ubuntu's main+universe |
| 10:19.57 | azeem | roughly |
| 10:19.59 | lunitik | kgoetz: Debian doesn't limit the packages it supports.... |
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| 10:20.01 | kgoetz | gotcha |
| 10:20.07 | YoG | cydork: no xmd5 |
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| 10:20.37 | cydork | YoG, you have to be more specific than that. |
| 10:20.50 | liable | YoG: give us the error message from the log |
| 10:20.54 | elias_ | how to define key 115 (windows) to super key without changing xmodmap.us file? |
| 10:21.02 | elias_ | Option "XkbOptions" "altwin:super_win" does not do anything |
| 10:21.58 | YoG | into #flash? |
| 10:22.04 | enouf | war95: it's starting to sink in a bit -- but thank goodness I don't use ubuntu |
| 10:22.28 | Sebo | Hi! I've got q for u ;P : How can I check which packages are installed at my PC?? I meen to get a list of package names etc ;] |
| 10:22.41 | waiting | Sebo: as a text file? :) |
| 10:22.53 | liable | YoG: #flood |
| 10:22.57 | waiting | Sebo: or just for lookin at? |
| 10:23.12 | Sebo | uhm |
| 10:23.12 | YoG | cydork: well doing "grep EE /var/log/Xfree86.0.olg" is short, one error one warning: |
| 10:23.18 | cydork | Sebo, dpkg -l |
| 10:23.30 | waiting | yeah, that will render a list .) |
| 10:23.32 | enouf | Sebo: 'dpkg -l' |
| 10:23.39 | waiting | and what a list |
| 10:23.45 | YoG | cydork/liable: (EE) No devices detected |
| 10:23.47 | Sebo | acctualy I'll print it but It might be as text file ;] |
| 10:23.58 | YoG | (that was one error, no warning) |
| 10:24.08 | Sebo | Thx |
| 10:24.11 | enouf | Sebo: 'dpkg -l > packages.txt' ? maybe |
| 10:24.15 | waiting | Sebo: dpkg -l | sort > list.txt |
| 10:24.30 | waiting | enouf: without the sort he won't find anything |
| 10:24.42 | Sebo | dpkg -l | sort |lpr ;] |
| 10:24.42 | dpkg | ii | sort |lpr ;] 1.7-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 10:24.43 | enouf | waiting: thanks ... much better |
| 10:24.46 | waiting | ^^ |
| 10:25.16 | Sebo | '# dpkg -l | sort | lpr' ;] |
| 10:25.23 | waiting | maybe :)) |
| 10:25.45 | waiting | if that works, it means you got printing setup correctly :] |
| 10:25.58 | enouf | Sebo: you only get a paper version then ..right ? |
| 10:26.16 | enouf | Sebo: no saved file on HDD |
| 10:26.19 | liable | YoG: do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-Xfree86 and pick vesa for your driver |
| 10:26.30 | YoG | liable:just a sec... |
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| 10:28.20 | YoG | liable/cydork: too errors: |
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| 10:29.11 | YoG | liable/cydork: VESA(0): No matching modes. and Screens(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 10:29.22 | Sebo | I've got ;P ...And I would like to have it after reinstaling OS alsow ;] so I thought such paper list would help me if somthing went wrong ;] |
| 10:29.26 | YoG | liable/cydork: need I mention I'm on a laptop? |
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| 10:31.58 | liable | YoG: reconfigure, leave it as vesa, but change the other stuff (for the screen) |
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| 10:33.12 | YoG | libale: I'm just doing <enter> all the way (taking the defaults), what should I change? |
| 10:33.30 | cydork | YoG, that's where you are goin wrong. |
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| 10:34.16 | YoG | cydork: ok, what should I do? |
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| 10:35.22 | cydork | YoG, http://www.mepislovers-wiki.org/index.php?title=Dpkg-reconfigure_xserver-xorg this is for xserver-org but it's similar |
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| 10:38.10 | YoG | cydork: I'm starting to feel that I'll be better with Etch where this works out of the box |
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| 10:40.13 | cydork | YoG, etch is preety stable too, but it depends on your requirements. |
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| 10:40.33 | Jjeje007 | hi alll |
| 10:40.41 | YoG | cydork: can you elaborate please? |
| 10:41.25 | tinypoodle | dero |
| 10:41.40 | cydork | YoG, well i wont suggest etch on servers, but on desktops etch is fine. But it can break sometimes. |
| 10:43.15 | KoluCCi | cydork, here we are |
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| 10:44.19 | YoG | cydork: sounds good for me... the problem is, as Gnea implied, I don't know what I'm doing - on the other hand I'm willing to learn |
| 10:44.24 | KoluCCi | cydork, I'm a sysadmin :) |
| 10:45.01 | cydork | KoluCCi, you dont say!!! i never imagined i could see a sysadmin in here ;) |
| 10:45.04 | Jjeje007 | ok i have an problem with iptable on debian sarge (server .... can connect only by ssh) So then i try to setup ipatbles |
| 10:45.06 | enouf | cydork: had to do my little disappearing act ;-) ...ah that's better :-p |
| 10:45.19 | Jjeje007 | for ssh = iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport ssh -j ACCEPT |
| 10:45.19 | Jjeje007 | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -o eth0 --dport ssh -j ACCEPT |
| 10:45.30 | Jjeje007 | And then i closed everything else : |
| 10:45.30 | Jjeje007 | iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 10:45.30 | Jjeje007 | iptables -P OUTPUT DROP |
| 10:45.40 | cydork | YoG, like i said etch can break sometimes, so gives you a chance to learn ;) |
| 10:45.41 | Jjeje007 | But when i'm doing "iptables -P OUTPUT DROP" i loose my connection and i can't connect anymore (i have to do an reboot from the website console) |
| 10:46.08 | Jjeje007 | sorry but i'm noob with iptable :) |
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| 10:46.46 | cydork | enouf, heheh :P |
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| 10:47.12 | enouf | cydork: got a sandwich for me ? |
| 10:47.34 | enouf | cydork: I could eat a pony |
| 10:47.41 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 10:47.48 | cydork | enouf, i having nuttella with bread :) |
| 10:48.09 | YoG | well... back to etch... |
| 10:48.20 | enouf | cydork: wha's that .. likie tofu or something? |
| 10:48.45 | enouf | cydork: rice cakes ?? ...ugh |
| 10:48.46 | Jjeje007 | any idea ? |
| 10:49.47 | enouf | Jjeje007: sorry, I don;t know well enough about IP tables |
| 10:49.52 | Jjeje007 | okki |
| 10:50.21 | Jjeje007 | i read some doc but it's huge :) |
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| 10:51.58 | enouf | Jjeje007: I'll guess -- fro some reason there's either a zombie (leftover) process running (perhaps a lock file of some sort) - or does the network go down, ifyp/down?? |
| 10:52.26 | enouf | ifypdown == ifup ifdown |
| 10:53.20 | Jjeje007 | no the server still online but when i'm closing every thing in "OUTPUT" then i can't connect anny more with ssh |
| 10:53.28 | enouf | Jjeje007: In other words there's stil he ssh process running, but you severed the connection with IP tables, instead of cleanly ?? |
| 10:54.13 | enouf | Jjeje007: I mean you connectiion to the Server .. IOW, how's you connections elsewhere after you do that |
| 10:54.33 | enouf | Jjeje007: your* |
| 10:54.46 | Jjeje007 | hum i loose it |
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| 10:55.01 | enouf | Jjeje007: Can you connect to anything else afterwards? |
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| 10:55.22 | Jjeje007 | it's a webserver |
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| 10:55.35 | Jjeje007 | so i connect from my pc to my server |
| 10:55.51 | Jjeje007 | the i try to setup iptables for the server |
| 10:55.54 | Jjeje007 | +n |
| 10:56.04 | YoG | btw, is there an official forum for debian? |
| 10:56.21 | nevyn | heh forum hehe |
| 10:56.39 | enouf | Jjeje007: IOW; try 'etc/inet.d/ssh restart' (instead of) IP tables drop...or afterwards |
| 10:56.57 | enouf | Jjeje007: init.d |
| 10:57.03 | Jjeje007 | hum |
| 10:57.29 | Jjeje007 | ok i'll try but i thing ssh deamon it's not hte problem |
| 10:57.32 | Jjeje007 | the |
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| 10:57.48 | waiting | YoG: debian has archived mailing lists |
| 10:57.48 | Jjeje007 | it's the rules on OUTPUT from iptables |
| 10:57.51 | enouf | Jjeje007: Try 'ps aux' on your box for your box before and after you do you IP tables thing |
| 10:58.19 | YoG | waiting: which is? how do I search it/join it? |
| 10:58.31 | Jjeje007 | i can't because when i'm doing " iptables -P OUTPUT DROP" i can't connect anny more |
| 10:58.39 | waiting | YoG: ohh, it's on debian.org ... somewhere at the left ... ^^ |
| 10:58.56 | waiting | YoG: secpls |
| 10:58.59 | Jjeje007 | even i did before "iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -o eth0 --dport ssh -j ACCEPT |
| 10:59.01 | YoG | waiting: ok, I'll look for it, thanx. |
| 10:59.08 | enouf | Jjeje007: I'm thinking a leftover 'something', that's not recognizing what you did, and still running that wont allow you to reconnect -- but that's all can gather (guess actually) |
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| 10:59.58 | waiting | YoG: http://lists.debian.org/ there you go |
| 11:00.18 | waiting | YoG: (I have a problem with keeping simple things in memory ^^) |
| 11:00.47 | Jjeje007 | ok i'll try enouf |
| 11:00.56 | enouf | Jjeje007: My suggestions are meant for your client , not the server (except for my last comment, which could be either or both) -- I'm asking if the client can connect elsewhere -- but I presume now that you're passed that stage |
| 11:01.13 | YoG | waiting: :) thanx |
| 11:01.16 | Jjeje007 | ok i understand |
| 11:01.22 | Jjeje007 | so i'll try |
| 11:01.26 | Jjeje007 | i try |
| 11:01.27 | Jjeje007 | :) |
| 11:01.33 | enouf | Jjeje007: happy hacking ;-) |
| 11:01.46 | Jjeje007 | :) |
| 11:02.06 | roxy_ | any security fanatic using chattr +i on /bin, /sbin/, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/lib ? |
| 11:02.46 | enouf | roxy_ : no but I've used it on /var :-p |
| 11:03.06 | enouf | roxy_ : whioops -- I've used +A, not +i |
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| 11:03.41 | Jjeje007 | enouf, my ssh client still connecting |
| 11:03.55 | Jjeje007 | but not with my server |
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| 11:05.31 | Jjeje007 | hum i think for the moment i'll leave the default rules OUTPUT in "ACCEPT" |
| 11:05.41 | Jjeje007 | and read some more docs :) |
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| 11:06.24 | Jjeje007 | thx enouf :) |
| 11:06.35 | enouf | Jjeje007: ahh...hmmm - so the issue does not lie with your client ?? (you must make sure that every thing else works fine too, so you can eliminate that as a possibility) ... and then you can focus on a Server-side issues -- but you may have already done so... how about Authentication? are you auth using Passwords or RSA/DES keys ?? |
| 11:07.04 | Jjeje007 | using RSA/DES keys |
| 11:07.42 | enouf | Jjeje007: I'd look there - as far as needing a New key - or handshake |
| 11:07.46 | Jjeje007 | i'm sure for the client because i can connect to the friend's pc :) |
| 11:08.02 | enouf | Jjeje007: or RE-authentication, if using the same key over and over |
| 11:08.11 | roxy_ | Jjeje007: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html section 5.14 |
| 11:08.36 | roxy_ | you got some doc on ssh too. |
| 11:09.12 | Jjeje007 | but ssh is ok |
| 11:09.23 | Jjeje007 | it's iptable |
| 11:09.47 | roxy_ | Jjeje007: I spent 2 weeks on mine :-) . Can you paste yours somewhere ? |
| 11:09.50 | Jjeje007 | i'm using ssh with keys @ 4096 bit encryption :) |
| 11:10.06 | enouf | Jjeje007: d-u-d-e ...:p |
| 11:10.11 | Jjeje007 | hihi |
| 11:10.57 | Jjeje007 | roxy_, i spent 2 hours to setup it |
| 11:11.06 | Jjeje007 | and it's working well |
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| 11:11.16 | roxy_ | is there a way to ask aptitude to run some command before/after upgrade ? |
| 11:11.17 | Jjeje007 | so what you went to know |
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| 11:11.35 | Jjeje007 | aptitude ? |
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| 11:11.47 | enouf | roxy_ : huh -- you want to 'hold' ?? |
| 11:11.48 | Jjeje007 | don't know aptitude :) |
| 11:11.49 | roxy_ | Jjeje007: I am ok, I just thought you had trouble with yours :-) |
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| 11:12.09 | roxy_ | enouf: no chattr +i on some files |
| 11:12.11 | enouf | Zoid:: get back here .. |
| 11:12.13 | Jjeje007 | it's a server so no X server |
| 11:12.29 | Jjeje007 | every thing by ssh |
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| 11:12.42 | enouf | roxy_ : uh ... ok ...dunno - apologies |
| 11:13.16 | roxy_ | enouf: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html section 10.5, the idea about attribute |
| 11:13.36 | enouf | <--has scared away the "qualified" hired help :-( |
| 11:13.51 | enouf | roxy_ : will look -- and the man pages |
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| 11:14.18 | trygg | A good torrentprogram for debian? |
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| 11:14.47 | Jjeje007 | rtorrent |
| 11:14.49 | Jjeje007 | :) |
| 11:17.35 | Jjeje007 | ok guys i have to go thx and i'll read some more docs :) |
| 11:17.40 | Jjeje007 | see you ^^ |
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| 11:19.00 | enouf | roxy_ : not that knowledgeable yet about security, but it seems ok and plausible -- look up "immutable" that's what the +i does but man page is no help really on options but explains it pretty well -- I justcan't see any unintended consequences though there very well may be some |
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| 11:20.33 | enouf | roxy_ : that's for DIRs ...yes ?? You may have issues installing ANY apps, or compiling and whatnot ... 3 |
| 11:20.36 | cydork | enouf, what seems to be the problem? |
| 11:21.07 | enouf | cydork: using +i on /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/lib, etc |
| 11:21.14 | enouf | cydork: chattr |
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| 11:21.57 | blondie | o.O |
| 11:22.09 | roxy_ | cydork: no problem yet, I am pondering using chattr + i on /bin, /sbin/, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/lib. Having it on/off before/after aptitude update/upgrade |
| 11:22.37 | roxy_ | probably could add /etc to it |
| 11:22.48 | cydork | roxy_, oh that's a bit too hard work |
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| 11:23.00 | roxy_ | Would that make a viable system to *work* with |
| 11:23.08 | redblades | Hello all! |
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| 11:23.18 | redblades | Just popping in to say hi. |
| 11:23.27 | redblades | I used to use Debian. |
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| 11:23.36 | thyko | then what happened? |
| 11:23.40 | enouf | redblades: yo yo yo |
| 11:23.44 | ivan`_ | I have a problem with all SSL connections timing out (SSH, PostgreSQL at least) after a few minutes of inactivity; this is unstable with the latest 2.6-k7, any ideas? |
| 11:23.47 | enouf | redblades: yeah ? |
| 11:23.48 | blondie | roxy_: why is that better than using chmod? |
| 11:23.56 | redblades | I messed some stuff up -really bad. |
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| 11:24.03 | thyko | apt-get? |
| 11:24.05 | redblades | I lacked the know how to fix it. |
| 11:24.19 | cydork | redblades, peback?? |
| 11:24.23 | redblades | And so I switched to Mandriva - it was awful. |
| 11:24.33 | redblades | cydork, att, yes |
| 11:24.35 | enouf | redblades: ouch! |
| 11:24.52 | blondie | wtf "Play with UTP cabling in a way that you cut 2 or 4 wires and make the cable one-way traffic only. Then use UDP packets to send information to the destination machine which can act as a secure log server or a credit card storage system." |
| 11:25.02 | redblades | cydork, PEBKAC |
| 11:25.10 | blondie | !pebkac |
| 11:25.11 | dpkg | methinks pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 11:25.39 | redblades | Don't use acronyms if you don't what they mean (or can't type them the right way) |
| 11:25.39 | thyko | redblades: you need to find the light again |
| 11:25.52 | redblades | Oh, it's okay - I use Ubuntu. |
| 11:25.53 | redblades | :p |
| 11:25.54 | cydork | redblades, bite me ! :) |
| 11:26.10 | thyko | ah! thats more like two lights ;-) |
| 11:26.13 | redblades | Har har! I haven't bitten someone for nearly two weeks! |
| 11:26.22 | redblades | yeah, thyko it is. |
| 11:26.30 | roxy_ | blondie: good question |
| 11:26.42 | enouf | redblades: aren you hungry ?? would you like a pony ? |
| 11:26.52 | thyko | redblades: do you have fangs? |
| 11:27.22 | cydork | enouf, what's with you and ponies ;) ?? |
| 11:27.31 | enouf | redblades: blondie will set you up |
| 11:27.46 | blondie | enouf: maybe |
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| 11:28.08 | enouf | cydork: dunno -- I got Jackie Gleason reruns in my head (the Honeymooners) |
| 11:28.10 | roxy_ | blondie: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Tips-HOWTO.html#ss3.3 |
| 11:28.24 | roxy_ | blondie: you can't rm the file with chattr set |
| 11:28.37 | roxy_ | blondie: so no nasty virus doing rm -Rf |
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| 11:29.29 | blondie | roxy_: but it could do chattr -i first ;) |
| 11:29.49 | roxy_ | sure :-) |
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| 11:30.51 | roxy_ | in the how-to it is as much to protect against own negligence than virus |
| 11:31.01 | enouf | roxy_: I suppose that would be useful for keeping separate installs truly separated from each other (and compiles and apps, and...) |
| 11:31.31 | olwd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.45 | enouf | roxy_: but you read about it on debian.security.org -- so there must be something else they have in mind |
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| 11:32.48 | ahmul | hello. I have a small question about signing deb files. |
| 11:32.54 | enouf | olwd: mount /dev/hdX (or /dev/sdX) ? |
| 11:33.07 | roxy_ | enouf: from the faqs: This also makes a variety of security and denial of service exploits either impossible or more difficult (since many of them rely on overwriting a file through the actions of some SUID program that *isn't providing an arbitrary shell command*). |
| 11:33.19 | olwd | enouf: how do i list my devices? |
| 11:33.25 | olwd | so i know which one to mount |
| 11:33.32 | blondie | olwd: try fdisk -l |
| 11:33.44 | enouf | owld: cat /etc/fstab ?? |
| 11:33.56 | enouf | owld: blondie has it |
| 11:33.59 | blondie | enouf: that won't work unless he's added the new drive there |
| 11:34.20 | enouf | blondie: you're right - I had a brain fart - |
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| 11:34.34 | blondie | :) |
| 11:34.55 | enouf | roxy_ : Yes ..I see |
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| 11:36.18 | enouf | <-- either needs some breakfast ..or just more beer ;-) |
| 11:36.30 | enouf | !sandwich |
| 11:36.30 | dpkg | methinks sandwich is something you have for lunch to ease hunger |
| 11:36.44 | enouf | thanks dpkg :-) |
| 11:36.44 | dpkg | de nada, enouf |
| 11:36.55 | olwd | blondie: i see it |
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| 11:37.29 | olwd | blondie: i see the drive |
| 11:37.32 | olwd | what do i do now |
| 11:37.37 | blondie | olwd: is it brand new? |
| 11:37.41 | olwd | not really |
| 11:37.53 | blondie | does it have data on that you want? |
| 11:38.01 | enouf | owld: ...and? |
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| 11:45.21 | broooe | hi. i'm trying to set up firewall using firestarter, i done everyting as said in manual but it blocks all my network traffic. Why? I'm getting this in the output: |
| 11:45.24 | broooe | Inbound IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=83.27.5.230 DST=83.27.33.130 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=127 ID=39622 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=1333 DPT=445 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
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| 11:53.17 | icebit | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ ×ÓÅÍ |
| 11:53.24 | icebit | hi all |
| 11:54.17 | roxy_ | broooe: can you paste you iptables somewhere |
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| 11:54.47 | si|ent | hey guys - anyone able to help me with a cacti issue on woody? |
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| 11:56.07 | si|ent | trying to import host templates from a Red Hat 0.8.6c installation to a Debian Woody - 0.8.5a... it just refreshes after importing and then nothing appears :/ |
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| 11:58.22 | broooe | roxy_: well, i have no idea about setting iptables, where is config file anyway? :/ |
| 11:59.17 | broooe | roxy_: firestarter is said to set very permissive policy by default, but for me it blocks all the traffic |
| 11:59.39 | trygg | Is it hard to get an ati radeon 9000's tv-out to work on debian? |
| 12:00.14 | abrotman | it's just logging to the console |
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| 12:01.22 | roxy_ | broooe: iptables -L |
| 12:01.26 | nywass | broooe: you just need to create your rules and then 'iptables-save > myfile.rules' |
| 12:02.58 | broooe | nywass: but the point is i don't want to do this manualy but using firestarter |
| 12:03.30 | nywass | sorry, i don't use it |
| 12:03.57 | roxy_ | broooe: show your iptable, I'll tell you which rule is wrong and you can change firestarter after |
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| 12:04.21 | broooe | roxy_: debian:/home/stagger# iptables -L |
| 12:04.21 | broooe | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 12:04.21 | broooe | target prot opt source destination |
| 12:04.37 | broooe | roxy_: i have the same for FORWARD and OUTPUT |
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| 12:05.50 | broooe | roxy_: but i firestarter i have set permissive policy for outbound traffic and the same for inbound |
| 12:06.00 | roxy_ | broooe: you don't have any rules set, so no firewall at all. |
| 12:06.26 | broooe | roxy_: hmmm... does it mean firestarter didn't change anything? :/ |
| 12:06.58 | broooe | roxy_: ok, i'll try run firestarter from console and check if there are any errors |
| 12:07.40 | broooe | roxy_: when there are no rules firewalls doesn't block any connections, right? |
| 12:07.54 | CAiRO | why does ooqstart-gnome conflict with openoffice.org-gnome? i want both: gnome integration and quick start |
| 12:08.24 | roxy_ | broooe: yes, why do you think connection are blocked |
| 12:09.34 | broooe | roxy_: ohhh, sorry... |
| 12:09.56 | broooe | roxy_: looks like when firewall is disabled "iptables -L" will not show rules |
| 12:10.13 | broooe | roxy_: i just pasting... |
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| 12:11.37 | broooe | roxy_: http://www.fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=45 |
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| 12:13.13 | Tar-Get | debian doesn't recognise my camera |
| 12:14.19 | Tar-Get | he opens all other usb devices, accept my camera |
| 12:14.25 | roxy_ | broooe: yes, iptables -L show the rule you have. Disable means you have no rules :-) |
| 12:14.36 | roxy_ | broooe: what traffic is causing you problem ? |
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| 12:15.34 | broooe | roxy_: everything, when i'm clicking "start firewall" i'm unable to use web browser, mail client, irc, ftp... |
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| 12:15.50 | roxy_ | broooe: is it a router, a workstation or a server ? |
| 12:15.59 | liable | Tar-Get: try gphoto2 |
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| 12:16.16 | broooe | roxy_: it's just a simple workstation with adsl modem |
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| 12:16.50 | Tar-Get | liable, nothing ... |
| 12:17.10 | roxy_ | broooe: I am reading the securing debian book atm. They list some app to help create a firewall but at the end I found that writing my own rule were much simpler for my workstation. |
| 12:17.17 | broooe | roxy_: i have compiled kernel manually. is it possible that i have/have not selected some modules in networking sections? |
| 12:17.18 | roxy_ | broooe: it is just a few rules |
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| 12:17.49 | roxy_ | broooe: disable the firewall, then try networking |
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| 12:18.02 | broooe | broooe: yeah... i saw manpage of iptables, it's a little bit scarry ;) |
| 12:18.10 | liable | Tar-Get: whats dmesg say when plugged in? |
| 12:18.12 | broooe | sow* |
| 12:18.25 | liable | no, saw is correct :) |
| 12:18.25 | broooe | oh... no.... sorry for my english... |
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| 12:18.59 | Tar-Get | liable, all I/O errors |
| 12:19.08 | nywass | broooe: try to add 'iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT' |
| 12:19.20 | roxy_ | broooe: read the section 5.14 completely: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html |
| 12:19.30 | nywass | but before that, check if the networking is working without any firewall |
| 12:19.33 | Tar-Get | liable, you want to see it? |
| 12:19.50 | liable | Tar-Get: nope. io errors mean something is fuxored |
| 12:20.17 | liable | Tar-Get: try formatting the card or something |
| 12:20.22 | Flakk | hello people. i have at present 3 OS o my notebook: xP, mandrake and debian etch. I want to wipe out the mandrake partition. is there a way to do this safely without disturbing the ther parts and without re-installing debian? |
| 12:21.11 | Tar-Get | liable, ok let's hope it works |
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| 12:24.34 | lunitik | Flakk: just set mkfs on it probably... or 'cfdisk' and remove data on it... |
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| 12:27.37 | Flakk | luitik: so the proram wuld be to launch cfdisk, then just delete the mandrke parts, right? but I want afterwars to add the empty spac t the debian prtition. how sould i proceed? |
| 12:29.06 | roxy_ | Flakk: why don't you keep the partition and mount from fstab to your debian ? |
| 12:30.07 | lunitik | Flakk: gparted could certainly do that... (grow file system...) |
| 12:30.21 | cydork | Tar-Get, what does lsusb show? |
| 12:30.50 | lunitik | roxy_: thats not really useful... although I'd perhaps suggest he use it as /home if thats not already seperated out... |
| 12:31.01 | lunitik | Flakk: do you have a seperate /home right now? |
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| 12:31.49 | Flakk | lunitik: well to tell the whole truth there is mth wrong with my F. when i run cfdik it says:FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 8: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
| 12:32.49 | lunitik | Flakk: I don't know about that error though, sorry |
| 12:33.14 | CAiRO | why does ooqstart-gnome conflict with openoffice.org-gnome? i want both: gnome integration and the quick start applet |
| 12:33.36 | roxy_ | lunitik: the m is probably mother but I don't see any f ... |
| 12:33.46 | Flakk | lunitik: i have two separate distros each with its home root and swap |
| 12:34.02 | cydork | Flakk, one question. WHy?? |
| 12:34.25 | Flakk | roxy: hmmm tht is an idea. to mount e g mandrake under deb. |
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| 12:35.15 | lunitik | CAiRO: it doesn't... perhaps ooqstart-gnome is for openoffice.org2 though? |
| 12:35.23 | Flakk | cydork: historically :) i bought the notbook wth XP then i installed mandrke. then i ecided to switch to debian but left MDK for precation |
| 12:35.27 | roxy_ | Flakk: as lunitik said, it is not brilliant but you'll be done in a sec with your data from mandrake usable. |
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| 12:35.48 | roxy_ | Flakk: make a clean install with only debian ;) |
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| 12:36.08 | Flakk | lunitik sorry for the misprints i have a rubber keyboard |
| 12:36.42 | CAiRO | lunitik: it does! i do apt-get install openoffice.org-gnome/unstable ooqstart-gnome/unstable -t unstable and it says openoffice.org-gtk: Conflicts: ooqstart-gnome but 0.8.3-10 is to be installed |
| 12:36.45 | cydork | Flakk: ok :) |
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| 12:37.08 | lunitik | CAiRO: openoffice.org does indeed conflict openoffice.org2 ... and ooqstart-gnome is indeed for openoffice.org2 |
| 12:37.16 | Flakk | cydork: any comments about the message FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 8: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
| 12:37.17 | Flakk | ? |
| 12:37.35 | lunitik | CAiRO: install openoffice.org2-gnome instead |
| 12:37.43 | cydork | Flakk, well did you resize them ever?? |
| 12:38.13 | CAiRO | lunitik: but openffice2 package is called openoffice.org-gnome.. the 1.1 packages are calles openoffice.org1.1-gnome |
| 12:38.19 | CAiRO | called |
| 12:38.19 | Flakk | cydrk i resized manrakebefore installing deb and of corse XP before installing MDDK |
| 12:38.42 | CAiRO | lunitik: E: Package openoffice.org2-gnome has no installation candidate |
| 12:39.03 | lunitik | CAiRO: yeah, I just saw that :/ |
| 12:39.22 | lunitik | CAiRO: check bts ... file a bug :/ |
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| 12:39.41 | CAiRO | ok, thanks though, could have been i did something wrong |
| 12:39.51 | cydork | Flakk, then suggest dont use cfdisk, and try to remove that partition with gparted/qtparted! then resize the remaining space the way you want to. |
| 12:40.20 | cydork | s/then/then i/ |
| 12:40.55 | Flakk | cydork: di not get te lst one |
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| 12:42.15 | Tar-Get | cydork, debian:/home/woutus# lsusb |
| 12:42.15 | Tar-Get | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 12:42.15 | Tar-Get | Bus 001 Device 009: ID 04b0:040d Nikon Corp. |
| 12:42.15 | Tar-Get | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 12:42.32 | lunitik | Flakk: ouch, that keyboard sucks! |
| 12:42.48 | cydork | Flakk: what didn't you get? |
| 12:43.01 | f00li5h | hrm, so i'm playing with chroots and i'm wondering what the best way to remove all the un-used libs is |
| 12:43.14 | cydork | f00li5h, deborphan |
| 12:43.22 | f00li5h | cydork: who's she? |
| 12:43.35 | cydork | f00li5h, my bitch :P |
| 12:43.46 | f00li5h | cydork: well, give that a slap for me then. |
| 12:43.52 | Flakk | cydork:s/then/then i/ what is it about? :)) |
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| 12:44.02 | cydork | f00li5h, man deborphan |
| 12:44.03 | Tar-Get | liable, still the same when I zero-bitted my card |
| 12:44.11 | Flakk | lunitik: yes i begin to dislike the rubber tuff |
| 12:44.20 | f00li5h | cydork: i tink you're referring to packages, where i'm referring to things in /lib |
| 12:44.34 | cydork | Flakk, that means i meant "then i" instead of "then" |
| 12:44.35 | f00li5h | (naturally, my question sucked) |
| 12:44.43 | lunitik | f00li5h: where you think those libs come from? |
| 12:44.47 | cydork | f00li5h, ^^ |
| 12:44.53 | lunitik | f00li5h: hint: begins with a p |
| 12:44.53 | f00li5h | lunitik: wah? |
| 12:44.59 | f00li5h | lunitik: and ends with |
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| 12:45.06 | f00li5h | i'm putting copies in a chroot jail |
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| 12:45.11 | f00li5h | so packages have nothing to do with it |
| 12:45.12 | lunitik | f00li5h: s or e depending... |
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| 12:45.52 | Flakk | ok, thanks a lot i will try at first to mount the ndrake to see what hapens. and then gprted |
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| 12:46.13 | f00li5h | i have a / sitting in /home/<some user> with copies of /bin/bash and /bin/su ( the latter is statically liked) |
| 12:46.25 | f00li5h | so i want to know which of the libs ic an safely meat-axe |
| 12:46.38 | f00li5h | ldd reports some, but it seems to not report all of them |
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| 12:47.57 | Alexismoy | Hi |
| 12:47.59 | f00li5h | ie when i copy all of the libs from the real /lib to the jailed /home/user/lib the binaries work |
| 12:48.14 | f00li5h | then i just put in the ones ldd says, and bash ans su stop working again |
| 12:48.19 | Alexismoy | I've got a problem with the resolution of my domaine name |
| 12:48.21 | f00li5h | hi there Alexismoy, how are you this fine evening |
| 12:48.30 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: oh, do go on |
| 12:48.38 | Alexismoy | hmm, It can be better ;) |
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| 12:49.08 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: well, i'm sure it's nothing a good kalhlur and coffee won't fix |
| 12:49.10 | Alexismoy | well, when I try for exemple this: "host 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4", It tries to resolv in A and not in PTR |
| 12:49.28 | Alexismoy | tcpdump says it to me ;) |
| 12:49.36 | Alexismoy | and I don't really know why |
| 12:49.53 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: well, it should try to resolve an A from an IP, shouldn't it? |
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| 12:50.03 | Alexismoy | and when in /etc/resolv.conf I add: domain blah.alexismoy.net, It try to resolv 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4.blah.alexismoy.net |
| 12:50.30 | f00li5h | wait, you add to resolve.conf? |
| 12:50.33 | Alexismoy | normally, host 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4 resolv in pointer alexismoy.hostweb.fr |
| 12:51.12 | Alexismoy | If I add "domain blah.alexismoy.net" in resolv.conf, and after I do "host 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4", It try to resolv 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4.blah.alexismoy.net |
| 12:51.18 | Alexismoy | but It doesn't exist |
| 12:51.37 | Alexismoy | this "2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4" normaly resolv to a pointer (PTR) |
| 12:51.54 | f00li5h | i'm not sure that's the right place for it, resolve.conf just tells the resolver what order to look for things, and where to look |
| 12:52.27 | Alexismoy | linusk:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:52.27 | Alexismoy | #domain blah.alexismoy.net |
| 12:52.27 | Alexismoy | #search blah.alexismoy.net |
| 12:52.27 | Alexismoy | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
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| 12:52.29 | f00li5h | right, i see what's going on here |
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| 12:52.34 | Alexismoy | sorry |
| 12:52.51 | f00li5h | it's geting agro'ed buy the ip6 address |
| 12:52.58 | f00li5h | perhaps you need to use a -6 arguement or something |
| 12:53.05 | Alexismoy | no |
| 12:53.19 | Alexismoy | in other linux machin with IPv6, it works |
| 12:53.29 | Alexismoy | it's a local problem on my debian |
| 12:53.36 | Alexismoy | It thinks linusk:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:53.36 | Alexismoy | #domain blah.alexismoy.net |
| 12:53.36 | Alexismoy | #search blah.alexismoy.net |
| 12:53.36 | Alexismoy | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
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| 12:53.49 | Alexismoy | rah, fuck C/C |
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| 12:53.57 | lunitik | !tell Alexismoy about paste |
| 12:54.13 | Alexismoy | yes lunitik, sorry, it was a mystake |
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| 12:54.27 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: middle click will do that to ya |
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| 12:55.16 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: do you undestand what is my problem? |
| 12:55.43 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: yeah, when you ask host to resolve something, it tries to lookup the something. |
| 12:55.57 | f00li5h | ie it's treating an ip6 address as part of a domain name |
| 12:56.04 | Alexismoy | yes |
| 12:56.07 | f00li5h | and then going through the search order to try and complete it |
| 12:56.07 | Alexismoy | that's it |
| 12:56.12 | lordnazgul | ok so here is an interesting problem. I have a couple of old compaq proliant servers. whenever i hit any button on the number pad, including the buttons around the numbers (+,*,/,numlock,etc...) the system completely hangs, even during install. |
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| 12:56.41 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: and I really don't undestand why it does that |
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| 12:57.04 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: because it doesn't look like an ip address to it |
| 12:57.29 | f00li5h | do you get one of thses >> Host \[xFF000000000000000000000000000000/128].ip6.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 12:57.38 | Alexismoy | no |
| 12:57.58 | f00li5h | what's the message that it gives you ? |
| 12:58.04 | Alexismoy | without the option "domain blah.alexismoy.net" in the resolv.conf, I'v got: 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4 does not exist, try again |
| 12:58.42 | f00li5h | domain, i thought you said you were useing host |
| 12:59.10 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: 2 things |
| 12:59.17 | Alexismoy | the 1 one, |
| 12:59.18 | f00li5h | so you have 2 problems now? |
| 12:59.32 | Alexismoy | no, just 1, but the 2 things are linked |
| 12:59.52 | f00li5h | if you do host <your ip6 address here> what do you get? |
| 13:00.11 | Alexismoy | the first one, when I just add in resolv.conf "nameserv 127.0.0.1" and I try to resolv "2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4", I'v got the message: 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4 does not exist, try again |
| 13:00.41 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: ok, so you have a dns server running locally, with that record hosted within? |
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| 13:01.02 | Alexismoy | the second one, when I add in resolv.conf "domain blah.alexismoy.net" and I try to resolv "2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4", I'v got the message: 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4.blah.alexismoy.net does not exist (Authoritative answer) |
| 13:01.16 | Alexismoy | yes |
| 13:01.20 | Alexismoy | that's it |
| 13:01.23 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: okok -- resolve.conf is not where you want to go |
| 13:01.31 | f00li5h | you want to hadd ip/name pairs to /etc/hosts |
| 13:01.57 | f00li5h | resolv.conf is the configuration file for the dns name resolver. where to find name servers, and what sorts of tricks to play with somain names when you fail to look them up |
| 13:02.14 | Alexismoy | euh no |
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| 13:02.30 | aleph0 | hi everyone. |
| 13:02.32 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: are you running a DNS server on this machine? |
| 13:02.41 | f00li5h | hi there aleph0, what's news? |
| 13:02.46 | Alexismoy | in /etc/resolv.conf I'v juste a configuration, my domain is set to bind |
| 13:02.56 | Alexismoy | bind9 |
| 13:03.00 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: right. that's a good answer |
| 13:03.13 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: so you have records, in bind 9 for this domain name? |
| 13:03.52 | Alexismoy | yes |
| 13:03.53 | aleph0 | I cannot seem to get wu-ftpd to work on my debian box. I keep getting "access denied". is there anything debian specific about this that I should be aware of? |
| 13:03.53 | f00li5h | and for the reverse (ip6.arpa) too? |
| 13:03.59 | f00li5h | aleph0: did you install it from a debian package, or from source? |
| 13:04.08 | aleph0 | apt |
| 13:04.13 | f00li5h | aleph0: good answer. |
| 13:04.25 | aleph0 | ...itude :) |
| 13:04.30 | f00li5h | aleph0: erm, what are you doing to get it to give you this message? |
| 13:04.47 | f00li5h | like starting the daemon, or connecting to mooch files |
| 13:04.49 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: yes |
| 13:04.53 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: right. |
| 13:05.02 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: does dig tell you anything interesting? |
| 13:05.14 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: and are there any errrors in the logs when bind9 does a config check? |
| 13:05.46 | Alexismoy | no error |
| 13:05.58 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: well, if there's no error, it must be working. |
| 13:05.58 | aleph0 | I'm just trying to establish an ftp connection. the daemon is running. the syslog read " wu-ftpd[8913]: failed login from ..." and I get a 530 login incorrect error on the client side. |
| 13:06.00 | f00li5h | next please. |
| 13:06.12 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: ... |
| 13:06.19 | f00li5h | aleph0: sounds like a password is wrong type error to me. |
| 13:06.25 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: tehe. |
| 13:06.28 | Alexismoy | It MUST, but It doesn't ! |
| 13:06.30 | aleph0 | somehow authentication doesn't work correctly. |
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| 13:06.38 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: erm, well, try dig @localhost <that ip6 address> |
| 13:06.49 | aleph0 | what do you mean "wrong type"? |
| 13:06.50 | f00li5h | aleph0: oh, right. do you need to tell it to use PAM? |
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| 13:07.03 | aleph0 | eh... |
| 13:07.26 | f00li5h | aleph0: you read it wrong, i meant to say this sounds like a password-is-wrong sort of error |
| 13:08.01 | Rayen | Hi, I am wondering if it is possible to run Windows XP Professional in a virtual environment with OpenVZ on Debian ? |
| 13:08.02 | f00li5h | aleph0: perhaps you need to grant permissions to the user that's trying to login |
| 13:08.06 | f00li5h | Rayen: hi there |
| 13:08.33 | f00li5h | Rayen: yowch, i have no idea. i'd imagine not. can you use wine to do whatever it is that you want? |
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| 13:09.10 | aleph0 | f00li5h: possibly. but I was under the impression that all users have ftp access unless they're in the /etc/ftpusers file |
| 13:09.43 | hjubal | hola |
| 13:09.45 | f00li5h | aleph0: oh, is there a group that they need to be in? |
| 13:09.50 | f00li5h | hjubal: 'lo |
| 13:10.01 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: any luck with that? |
| 13:10.10 | aleph0 | no |
| 13:10.37 | f00li5h | hrm, i see. can you use anonymous? |
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| 13:10.51 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3351 |
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| 13:11.16 | crazy_penguin | Good afternoon all! |
| 13:11.37 | aleph0 | I've disabled anonymous, so I don't know... |
| 13:11.52 | Rayen | f00li5h hmm nope... so what about Xen? Is Xen able to run Windows XP ? |
| 13:12.04 | abrotman | Alexismoy: have you asked #dns or #bind ? |
| 13:12.14 | abrotman | Rayen: probably |
| 13:12.16 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: is that a real IP, or is it an imaginary internal one (i have no idea about IP6) |
| 13:12.18 | Alexismoy | no but I think I'm going to |
| 13:12.34 | f00li5h | Rayen: i believe Xen is able to run XP |
| 13:12.35 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: it's a real, it's mine |
| 13:12.39 | Alexismoy | try to ping it, it works |
| 13:12.44 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: right. |
| 13:13.02 | DocOC | why do people run linux to run windows in a virtual machine? |
| 13:13.27 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: well, what is the doamin name ment to be? |
| 13:13.36 | f00li5h | DocOC: so they can run a linux machine |
| 13:14.01 | abrotman | DocOC: some people "require |
| 13:14.04 | abrotman | DocOC: some people "require" office |
| 13:14.26 | f00li5h | abrotman: that can't be it. but other raodom aincent CAD packages or something |
| 13:14.32 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: sorry I don't understand " ment to be" |
| 13:14.40 | abrotman | f00li5h: do you speak english? |
| 13:14.44 | DocOC | doesn't office run well on windows natively? |
| 13:14.59 | f00li5h | abrotman: yes, i do. natively. |
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| 13:15.12 | abrotman | f00li5h: why can office not be the answer but AutoCAD can be? |
| 13:15.39 | f00li5h | abrotman: because there are officey things for other platforms that can read/write office documents |
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| 13:15.59 | abrotman | f00li5h: no .. there aren't .. when you need 100% compatibility .. there is only MS office |
| 13:16.19 | f00li5h | abrotman: i guess i never needed that degree of accurate rendering in my documents then. |
| 13:16.20 | abrotman | don't even pretend to fool yourself |
| 13:16.32 | abrotman | f00li5h: then you don't "require" MS office ... |
| 13:16.44 | f00li5h | abrotman: i didn't even want them to send it to me as a word doc. they should have sent me ascii text damn them. |
| 13:17.07 | abrotman | are you sure english is your native language? |
| 13:17.16 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: can you look your domain name up, from name to ip? |
| 13:17.36 | DocOC | if it's not a dvi or tex file, I call their boss and get them fired. |
| 13:17.42 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: yes |
| 13:17.47 | f00li5h | abrotman: i'm really enjoying you being a git, please do go on. |
| 13:17.51 | Alexismoy | alex@linusk:~/Unreal3.2$ host blah.alexismoy.net |
| 13:17.51 | Alexismoy | blah.alexismoy.net A 81.56.187.15 |
| 13:18.10 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: that's not an ip6 address. should it have been? |
| 13:18.12 | abrotman | f00li5h: it's more entertaining to watch you give wrong answers to unsuspecting people |
| 13:18.42 | f00li5h | abrotman: well, noone has answered my question, so i'm just killing time, until i storm out in a huff |
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| 13:19.19 | abrotman | f00li5h: you want to know how to get rid of unused libs .. and then you'll leave? |
| 13:19.19 | Alexismoy | f00li5h: |
| 13:19.19 | Alexismoy | linusk:~# host -a alexismoy.hostweb.fr |
| 13:19.20 | Alexismoy | alexismoy.hostweb.fr AAAA 2001:6F8:340:0:0:0:0:4 |
| 13:19.26 | Alexismoy | that's one this |
| 13:19.31 | DocOC | f00li5h: ask me, I usually can give a complex and obfuscated wrong answer to any question. |
| 13:19.46 | f00li5h | DocOC: great. |
| 13:19.50 | aleph0 | I have jsut found that the debian wu-ftpd does create the file /etc/pam.d/wu-ftpd |
| 13:19.52 | abrotman | f00li5h: ? |
| 13:19.59 | aleph0 | so I guess: yeah. It is a PAM thing ;) |
| 13:20.07 | f00li5h | abrotman: yeah, sore |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | f00li5h: deborphan ... have a nice day :) |
| 13:20.15 | f00li5h | abrotman: sure* |
| 13:20.22 | aleph0 | but I still can't figure out what's wrong... |
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| 13:21.46 | f00li5h | abrotman: no, i dont want to remove undepended packages. |
| 13:21.56 | DocOC | aleph0: ftpd's are probably installed minimally configured, for security reasons. |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | f00li5h: i gave you the answer to the question you asked |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | <f00li5h> hrm, so i'm playing with chroots and i'm wondering what the best way to remove all the un-used libs is |
| 13:22.16 | f00li5h | abrotman: no, you didn't i said libraries, not packages. |
| 13:22.29 | abrotman | maybe if you'd read the man page .. you'd understand how to use it |
| 13:22.30 | aleph0 | DocOC: what does that mean? |
| 13:22.47 | f00li5h | abrotman: excues me for not finishing the whole man page straight away |
| 13:23.06 | abrotman | it's a short one |
| 13:23.23 | DocOC | aleph0: I don't know. As I said, my answers are complex and wrong. |
| 13:23.28 | f00li5h | how well will this work if i'm not root? |
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| 13:23.51 | abrotman | how do you expect to be able to delete files owned by root if you're not root ? |
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| 13:24.57 | f00li5h | abrotman: right, so i chroot as root. good. |
| 13:24.59 | DocOC | aleph0: what I mean is that since ftp daemons are inherently insecure, debian probably installs them default non-working, or minimally working, and you need to configure it yourself. |
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| 13:25.22 | abrotman | they should work .. try proftpd or vsftpd |
| 13:25.59 | DocOC | aleph0: but if that is not useful, it's probably because I came in in the middle of the conversation, and maybe you have changed many configuration options. |
| 13:26.38 | aleph0 | It's just a clean new wu-ftpd install. |
| 13:26.59 | aleph0 | as I understand it it should work straight away. |
| 13:27.24 | aleph0 | the only errors I get are "login incorrect" and that's not very helpful. |
| 13:27.39 | f00li5h | abrotman: how do i go about running this within my chroot then? |
| 13:27.51 | abrotman | you would need to have it installed in your chroot |
| 13:28.18 | f00li5h | abrotman: aah. |
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| 13:29.39 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.52 | abrotman | no |
| 13:29.57 | f00li5h | abrotman: i'm sure this is absolutely the right tool for the job, however, this is not the right job |
| 13:30.16 | roxy_ | is rcS.d for all runlevel ? |
| 13:30.21 | blondie | is f00li5h causing trouble again? |
| 13:30.27 | f00li5h | blondie: no <_< |
| 13:30.29 | abrotman | f00li5h: so you're asking the wrong question ? |
| 13:30.34 | f00li5h | abrotman: nope |
| 13:30.39 | blondie | :O |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | f00li5h: so you're a tard? |
| 13:30.51 | f00li5h | abrotman: the question was right. the asnwer matched it perfectly |
| 13:30.55 | trygg | How do i make entrance to not automatically start when i boot up? |
| 13:31.05 | abrotman | roxy_: no |
| 13:31.10 | f00li5h | abrotman: i think i remember being hated on by you in here before |
| 13:31.24 | abrotman | f00li5h: i don't hate anyone .. that's a strong emotion |
| 13:31.28 | roxy_ | abrotman: what man should I read about it ? |
| 13:31.36 | f00li5h | abrotman: hated on, not hated. |
| 13:31.40 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 13:31.41 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 13:31.48 | roxy_ | trygg: what do you mean entrance ? |
| 13:31.56 | abrotman | roxy_: entrance is a program |
| 13:32.08 | roxy_ | ooops |
| 13:32.13 | trygg | roxy_, e17's version of x/gdm. |
| 13:32.20 | f00li5h | abrotman: perhaps ldd is the way to go afterall |
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| 13:32.38 | abrotman | f00li5h: perhaps ... though removing libraries like that will probably get dicey |
| 13:32.47 | f00li5h | instead of removing useless libs, i'll simply not put them there in teh first place |
| 13:32.59 | abrotman | it is your chroot .. you put them there |
| 13:32.59 | trygg | roxy_, can i just remove the file thats named entrance there? |
| 13:32.59 | f00li5h | s/teh/the/ |
| 13:33.14 | f00li5h | abrotman: yes, in a desperate attempt to get bash and su to actually work |
| 13:33.31 | f00li5h | abrotman: now i know it's the libs that are making them not work |
| 13:33.41 | abrotman | good for you! |
| 13:33.47 | f00li5h | abrotman: 'tis |
| 13:34.45 | roxy_ | abrotman: found the doc, thanks |
| 13:35.49 | roxy_ | trygg: man update-rc.d |
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| 13:36.17 | trygg | Thanks. |
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| 13:36.40 | abrotman | roxy_: ? |
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| 13:37.12 | Knezzen | Hi, im having some problems with Debian 3.1 and xfree86... i thought someone in here could help. |
| 13:37.29 | azeem | Knezzen: try to describe your problem in more detail |
| 13:37.34 | roxy_ | trygg: do you have another login manager ? |
| 13:37.46 | trygg | Yes, but i just want to get to the console when i boot up. |
| 13:37.47 | trygg | :D |
| 13:38.00 | Knezzen | xfree86 wont start up and i get "Fatal server error: no screens found" when it exists |
| 13:38.10 | roxy_ | trygg: what about booting to another runlevel ? |
| 13:38.19 | abrotman | Knezzen: look for EE lines in the error file |
| 13:38.20 | Knezzen | Well, i start it, wait, and when it ends i get that error |
| 13:38.22 | trygg | I dont know how to do that. |
| 13:39.06 | Knezzen | abrotman, i get "(EE) Failed to load module "dri" (module does not exist, 0)" |
| 13:39.16 | trygg | roxy_: i just want the simplest thing for me, just remove the thing. Is it update-rc.d entrance stop? |
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| 13:39.29 | enouf | trygg: you may want to look into 'rcconf' .. I use it to start/stop services at boot up |
| 13:39.30 | Knezzen | And, "(EE) No devices detected." |
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| 13:39.59 | trygg | enouf: sorry for not knowing that much, but where is that? :D |
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| 13:40.17 | enouf | trygg: Oh ...to just stop it one time might be: '/etc/init.d/entrance stop' |
| 13:40.35 | trygg | But to not make it start up ever? |
| 13:40.40 | enouf | trygg: apt-cache search rcconf |
| 13:41.04 | roxy_ | trygg: for the run level: man inittab |
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| 13:41.26 | roxy_ | trygg: I think it is more appropriate for what you want . Or just remove X |
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| 13:41.39 | trygg | I dont want to remove X? |
| 13:41.42 | enouf | trygg: Do you want to stop it on every boot ? never running, but not disappearing in case you ever want to start it ? |
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| 13:41.50 | trygg | enouf: exactly! |
| 13:42.05 | Knezzen | abrotman, do you know what's wrong? |
| 13:42.19 | ribnitz | Is there an easy way to tell cups that if I cancel my own jobs, I dont want to give my password? |
| 13:42.20 | abrotman | try to reconfigure X |
| 13:42.22 | enouf | trygg: Yes rcconf is for you -- IF it as large a program as say apache, or gdm, whatever |
| 13:42.31 | Knezzen | abrotman, i have serveral times |
| 13:42.37 | trygg | Yeah |
| 13:42.43 | trygg | .. it is, so ill look into it. |
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| 13:42.59 | Knezzen | abrotman, i think the main problem is that im running Debian on a Macintosh Quadra 800 (68k) |
| 13:43.23 | Knezzen | And i think xfree86 has some problems detecting my graphicscard |
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| 13:44.18 | enouf | trygg: apt-cache search rcconf -- and then 'apt-cache show rcconf' -- and if you want it 'apt-get install rconf' -- then to use it, just "rcconf" from the console -- READ the README ;-) |
| 13:44.21 | trygg | enouf: yeah, there, i think it did it. |
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| 13:45.45 | trygg | Thanks alot! |
| 13:46.02 | enouf | trygg: :-) |
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| 13:47.11 | Jazon | i am trying to write a simple script to ogr2ogr a bunch of stuff but my scripting abilities are lacking |
| 13:47.20 | Jazon | http://paste.debian.net/10298 is what i tried, but it is not working |
| 13:47.31 | abrotman | Knezzen: i doubt that has dri .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose not to load dri |
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| 13:48.00 | Celeste | hi |
| 13:48.39 | lunitik | abrotman: won't it just not load dri? I mean, I don't think thats a fatal error... |
| 13:48.48 | abrotman | lunitik: he's saying it is |
| 13:48.50 | aleph0 | Ok I've just discovered something. - I can't use ftp - I keep getting "access denied" yet I know it should work because the server still receives ftp uploads. (BTW I didn't configure this machine, I'm just the new admin). Now I fond that in /etc/shadow some users (like the one that I get ftp-uploads from) have much shorter password hashes than the newer ones.... what does this mean? different fingerprint? what kind? how can I find out? ... |
| 13:48.50 | aleph0 | confused. |
| 13:48.54 | abrotman | Knezzen: can you paste your X log ? |
| 13:49.13 | Knezzen | abrotman, ok |
| 13:49.23 | Celeste | How can I access a WHOIS Server using telnet please? |
| 13:49.34 | infernix | aleph0: possibly its an old box and at some point the shadow file got MD5 hashes instead of the older type (crypt? dont remember exactly) |
| 13:50.00 | aleph0 | but hte ftp daemon recognises only the old hashes? |
| 13:50.08 | aleph0 | now that would suck. |
| 13:50.09 | infernix | aleph0: the longer MD5 hashes all start with $ |
| 13:50.14 | aleph0 | yes |
| 13:50.20 | aleph0 | the older ones don't |
| 13:50.31 | infernix | aleph0: thats possible, but the FTP daemon should be using PAM and not read the shadow file directly |
| 13:50.52 | lunitik | abrotman: hmm, apparently this card has dri support, but previous cards, it simply complained about it, and moved along... |
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| 13:51.00 | infernix | aleph0: and thus it shouldnt be the FTP daemon but a library thats causing the problem. |
| 13:51.08 | aleph0 | well I really don't understand the workings of wu-ftpd. however there is an /etc/pam.d/wu-ftpd file... so I guess it uses PAM |
| 13:51.28 | aleph0 | but I can't get ftp access with new accounts. |
| 13:51.54 | blondie | where are you meant to put iptables scripts on etch? |
| 13:52.00 | infernix | aleph0: what debian version is this machine? |
| 13:52.03 | aleph0 | and if I change the ftpd conf - I still don't want to loose access for the old accounts..... |
| 13:52.31 | aleph0 | 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 13:53.02 | aleph0 | but the system is in a bit of a mess... |
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| 13:53.41 | infernix | aleph0: dpkg -s libpam0g, which version? |
| 13:53.50 | tuxy | hello everyone |
| 13:54.01 | aleph0 | 0.76-22 |
| 13:55.39 | tuxy | please may somene help me? I am trying to make work on debian my creative vista plus webcam |
| 13:56.00 | lunitik | !tell tuxy about webcam |
| 13:56.19 | eastwood | !tell me about webcam |
| 13:56.23 | tuxy | ah ok |
| 13:56.37 | tuxy | is a Creative Vista Plus |
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| 13:56.46 | letto | !tell me about webcam |
| 13:56.47 | tuxy | I can see it with lsusb |
| 13:56.54 | zamuro | !tell me about google |
| 13:56.54 | brownie17 | who's up for a game of hunt the wumpus |
| 13:57.04 | tuxy | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 041e:4028 Creative Technology, Ltd |
| 13:57.34 | infernix | aleph0: im afraid i dont know exactly how to fix it, but at least make sure your system is up to date (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade). i dont know exactly which library handles reading the shadow file. |
| 13:57.41 | tuxy | but there isnt the /dev/video |
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| 13:58.00 | tuxy | so I cant probe it with gqcam or xawtv |
| 13:58.02 | lunitik | tuxy: read what dpkg told you |
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| 13:58.38 | lunitik | you need videodev _at least_ |
| 13:58.39 | infernix | aleph0: but if its only with ftp, and say for example qpopper wouldnt have that problem, then its clearly a wu-ftpd problem. |
| 13:58.42 | tuxy | thank you, let me check |
| 13:58.54 | tuxy | is a package lunitik? |
| 13:59.07 | lunitik | tuxy: no... modprobe videodev |
| 13:59.41 | aleph0 | well. there is a complication... |
| 14:00.12 | aleph0 | I have to migrate to a new server and I really don't want to disrupt running services. |
| 14:00.25 | tuxy | i did it and i got nothing |
| 14:00.33 | f00li5h | would there be a sneaky library that i'm missing when creating my chroot? |
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| 14:00.42 | aleph0 | and there ARE some automated ftp-push services to the server that are obviously using wu-ftpd successfully. |
| 14:00.49 | lunitik | tuxy: read the link dpkg sent you! |
| 14:00.53 | tuxy | ok.. |
| 14:01.23 | aleph0 | I just can't add any new accounts.... |
| 14:01.37 | cydork | lunitik, some had a similar problem if you remember, he did not have a videodev |
| 14:01.57 | aleph0 | and I can't test the old ones as I don't have any passwords for the old non-MD5 accounts... |
| 14:02.38 | aleph0 | why was the switch to MD5? was the old hash not secure? can I brute force one of them in a reasonable amount of time? |
| 14:02.39 | lunitik | cydork: no, they said it was loaded already, then enouf found that link... |
| 14:02.47 | enouf | blondie: I have no clue -- but the output of 'locate iptables' may help you track it down |
| 14:03.13 | infernix | aleph0: those are problems nobody can fix. schedule maintenance. and no you can't simply convert, and no, bruteforcing the old style hash (DES? i dont remember) will take quite a while |
| 14:03.18 | enouf | lunitik: huh ? you talkin bout me again :-) |
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| 14:03.23 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 14:03.31 | lunitik | enouf: not at all :P |
| 14:03.32 | cydork | enouf, :) |
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| 14:03.53 | enouf | lunitik: I missed your issue, ...can I help at all ? |
| 14:04.15 | lunitik | enouf: webcam issues again :/ tuxy is trying to set one up :/ |
| 14:04.46 | aleph0 | thanks infernix. I appreciate your help. |
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| 14:04.55 | enouf | lunitik: oh ... ok ;-] |
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| 14:05.55 | enouf | lunitik: I must be brain-dead, or stoned, or something ...why can't I remember the link I found about WiFi (brainfarts again ..oh no) |
| 14:06.00 | tuxy | yes... i am reading what dpkg told me |
| 14:06.30 | tuxy | i have tried too the modprobe thing but when i type lsmod videodev isnt used by anyone |
| 14:06.46 | enouf | lunitik: duh ...webcam, not wifi -- man am I tired ... |
| 14:07.15 | dvs | tuxy: but it still means that it loaded successfuly |
| 14:08.20 | tuxy | then why my webcam still doesnt work? |
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| 14:08.24 | lunitik | enouf: I'm almost positive it was you? the webcam factoid link... |
| 14:08.41 | AndyMcGee | Hi, i found a mistake in a german tarnslation of a man page on a debian system. Where to report? |
| 14:08.51 | blondie | when do the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ get run? |
| 14:08.52 | lunitik | tuxy: does /dev/video exist now? |
| 14:08.55 | tuxy | no |
| 14:09.01 | blondie | mine seem to be run four times at boot :| |
| 14:09.38 | dvs | tuxy: and you use udev? |
| 14:10.27 | tuxy | dont know... what is udev? |
| 14:10.41 | dvs | tuxy: does /dev/.static exist? |
| 14:10.51 | tuxy | yes |
| 14:11.00 | dvs | tuxy: then you're using udev |
| 14:11.02 | tuxy | there is /de/.static/video |
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| 14:11.37 | tuxy | I mean /dev/.static/dev/video |
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| 14:11.44 | dvs | tuxy: that won't do much good if it doesn't recognize your webcam |
| 14:12.27 | tuxy | ?? |
| 14:12.40 | minerale | Anyone know where I may download precompiled binaries for the latest tin package ? |
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| 14:12.54 | dvs | tuxy: and you'll know when it recognized your webcam when you see a /dev/video entry |
| 14:12.55 | azeem | minerale: does tin change so much you can't use the ones Debian provides? |
| 14:13.18 | tuxy | aah ok |
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| 14:13.50 | minerale | azeem: I have a very old version on a non debian system, and the compiler fails... |
| 14:14.14 | tuxy | I am using debian testing with 2.6.16-2-k7 kernel |
| 14:14.23 | positron_ | Any tcp/ip experts here? I have a really annoying problem with tcpdump and nmap. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2366883 help is really appreciated, sorry for spam. |
| 14:15.47 | azeem | minerale: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 14:18.08 | enouf | blondie: do you have a /etc/network/if-pre-up.d DIR ?? and if so is there a wireless-tools script inside? |
| 14:19.04 | blondie | enouf: yes and no, and that is where I put the iptables script, but I was wondering why it gets run four times at boot |
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| 14:19.34 | lordnazgul | anyone ever come accross any situation where the number keys would lock up the system, even during install? |
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| 14:20.38 | enouf | lunitik: no prob, just don't want to steal someone else's thunder .. besides my brain is fried, and I likley just forget, since I don't use webcams, and perhaps just found something on google |
| 14:21.04 | enouf | blondie: Yes , but no wiireless-tools script ? |
| 14:21.10 | blondie | enouf: I don't use wireless |
| 14:21.30 | enouf | blondie: Ok - but neither do I :-p |
| 14:21.35 | abrotman | lordnazgul: try another keyboard? |
| 14:21.42 | blondie | enouf: well, I don't have that script, no |
| 14:21.44 | enouf | blondie: and I have it wireless-tools |
| 14:21.53 | lordnazgul | abrotman tried that, even tried taking it off my kvm |
| 14:22.36 | lordnazgul | also tried running install with noapic nolapic |
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| 14:24.24 | enouf | blondie: Anyways -- it's onlystuff related to "IWCONFIG=/sbin/iwconfig" and stuff for wireless APs and such... but funny, I do NOT recall ANY of the "if-up.d" nor "if-pre-up.d" DIRs being there before seriously upgrading |
| 14:24.58 | blondie | enouf: well, they're there on sarge and etch |
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| 14:27.53 | enouf | blondie: Most of them are Empty too, except for the one you know about already (if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools) AND there's the script (if-post-down/wireless-tools) but that's smaller , and the network/run Dir has "ifstate" |
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| 14:28.15 | enouf | blondie: Ok --I just don't recall, but I'll take your word |
| 14:28.16 | blondie | did you install "wireless-tools" or something? :P |
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| 14:28.45 | enouf | blondie: I think Sid, just kinda wanted to try and break my toys :-] |
| 14:29.12 | blondie | ;o |
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| 14:29.33 | enouf | blondie: You say if-pre-up.d is running 4 times?? There's nothing in there to run ...right ? |
| 14:30.01 | blondie | enouf: yes, I put my iptables script in there |
| 14:30.04 | blondie | apparently it's meant to go there |
| 14:30.24 | enouf | blondie: doh ...Ok ...yeah, you said that, and I forgot (tired) |
| 14:31.08 | enouf | blondie: So -- you get 4 firewalls, for the price of just one :-p |
| 14:31.16 | f00li5h | besdes a user not existing, what reason would su have for telling me that a user does not exist? |
| 14:32.33 | blondie | none |
| 14:32.56 | enouf | blondie: apologies i can't break (I mean Help ;-) ) further, but I need some rest, and I ain't helping anyone by trying to when I'm exhausted :-) Gotta go for nowFolks |
| 14:33.11 | blondie | o.o |
| 14:33.17 | enouf | :-) |
| 14:33.49 | f00li5h | blondie: but the user is in /etc/passwd |
| 14:33.56 | f00li5h | and he owns files |
| 14:34.03 | blondie | can they login? |
| 14:34.11 | f00li5h | blondie: well, i can't su to them |
| 14:34.45 | blondie | that's not what I asked ;) |
| 14:34.48 | f00li5h | when i try to ssh to the box, i get a terminal, and thena /bin/su user does not exist |
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| 14:35.07 | f00li5h | i suspect it's inside the chroot that the user doesn't exist |
| 14:35.13 | f00li5h | it's that su that says they don't exist |
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| 14:35.21 | blondie | oh chroot, scary |
| 14:35.29 | roxy_ | does mkinitrd-cd allows to create a live cd from my debian install and choose which package to include ? |
| 14:35.46 | f00li5h | blondie: it is. very scary indeed. |
| 14:35.57 | f00li5h | worst part is that i have no reason other than curiosity |
| 14:36.04 | f00li5h | oh, that and pracitcal jokes ... |
| 14:36.45 | f00li5h | but the user is in the chroot's /etc/passwd too! |
| 14:36.47 | f00li5h | no fair! |
| 14:37.29 | Alexismoy | f00li5h |
| 14:37.32 | Alexismoy | problem resolved |
| 14:37.43 | Alexismoy | I've just upgraded the package "host" |
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| 14:38.44 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: horray! |
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| 14:39.07 | f00li5h | Alexismoy: was it that your host couldn't resolve ip6, or was i right off the mark? |
| 14:39.44 | Alexismoy | It was a bad version of host, which normaly resolv IPv6, but in this case, with problems |
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| 14:44.04 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.10 | abrotman | weirdo |
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| 14:45.03 | mick_linux | hi everyone |
| 14:45.05 | lordnazgul | ok i think i figured out a way arounf my number pad problem. the vanilla installer for woody seems to work(its an old machine). my question now is: is there any way to set up software raid from inside the woody installer? |
| 14:45.25 | Alexismoy | thx for the help and see you later ;) |
| 14:45.25 | Alexismoy | + |
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| 14:45.39 | mick_linux | can anyone recommend a good color printer that is well supported on linux |
| 14:45.59 | mick_linux | main thing that I want is: linux drivers that don't suck, prints *really* nice and can print pretty fast |
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| 14:46.15 | blondie | an HP color laserjet that does PS |
| 14:46.19 | mick_linux | i don't need to get a "cheap" one -- so price isn't that ig of an issue |
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| 14:46.49 | mick_linux | i prefer a damn good printer over a cheap crappy one |
| 14:47.05 | blondie | mick_linux: what I said then :P color lasers aren't cheap |
| 14:47.13 | mick_linux | :) |
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| 14:48.35 | roxy_ | mick_linux: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ |
| 14:48.47 | mick_linux | i was already there |
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| 14:49.47 | mick_linux | roxy_, i prefer personal experience |
| 14:50.00 | dofre | bonjour |
| 14:50.38 | mick_linux | since the i9900 (Canon) is supposed to be supported via commercial drivers (turboprint.de) -- and that didn't work out too well w/ me |
| 14:51.08 | mick_linux | it works better as a shreader (the paper was shreaded because it sucked it in so fast... seriously) |
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| 14:51.51 | roxy_ | can I read .gz without uncompressing them ? |
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| 14:52.17 | roxy_ | mick_linux: I got a epson stylus, cheap and slow |
| 14:52.18 | mick_linux | yes, depends on the file |
| 14:52.31 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: no, but there are things which will decompress on the fly, like zless. |
| 14:52.36 | mick_linux | roxy_, gzcat (iirc) |
| 14:52.44 | mick_linux | or zcat |
| 14:52.46 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, transparently decompress) |
| 14:53.01 | dondelelcaro | mick_linux: just get a printer that does PS; then linux support is trivial. |
| 14:53.02 | mick_linux | well ya, don is right |
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| 14:53.20 | mick_linux | roxy_, i have a stylus too, it started acting up (it is of course an inkjet) |
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| 14:53.43 | roxy_ | zless will do it, thanks :-) |
| 14:53.44 | cowmilk | http://perli.net/projekte/gpodder/dependencies.html says that python-gpod is in Debian repository. Could you (anyone) please confirm? |
| 14:53.47 | dondelelcaro | pretty much any decent high end printer does PS nowadays, and it should be able to clear 16-30 ppm... |
| 14:53.59 | dondelelcaro | cowmilk: packages.debian.org can confirm it for you |
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| 14:54.03 | mick_linux | dondelelcaro, how are you holding up btw :) |
| 14:54.17 | dondelelcaro | mick_linux: fine |
| 14:54.22 | cowmilk | in that case, thank you, packages.debian.org. 8-) |
| 14:54.30 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: out of curiosity...... is there anything you don't know? :P |
| 14:54.31 | cowmilk | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 14:54.37 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: lots |
| 14:54.43 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: liar |
| 14:54.49 | ma3x | how do I choose the profile in mozilla firefox? |
| 14:54.50 | mick_linux | dondelelcaro, does committeed still meet on Tuesdays? |
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| 14:54.56 | dondelelcaro | mick_linux: yeah |
| 14:54.59 | ma3x | I've accidently selected another profile and now I want to go back to the older |
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| 14:55.02 | ma3x | how do I do that? |
| 14:55.22 | dondelelcaro | mick_linux: first meeting in a while was this week; it'll be meeting on tuesdays again for the forseeable future |
| 14:55.23 | cowmilk | dondelelcaro: i'm on that site, but how do i confirm? |
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| 14:55.33 | dondelelcaro | cowmilk: search for packages containing gpod |
| 14:55.36 | mick_linux | i saw a laps in the logs (that is why i ask) |
| 14:55.52 | mick_linux | ah ok |
| 14:56.06 | dondelelcaro | cowmilk: FE: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-gpod |
| 14:56.47 | cowmilk | dondelelcaro: thanks. now how do i get that integrated into my ubuntu syntem? |
| 14:56.54 | mick_linux | ma3x, look in the ~/.mozilla/firefox directory |
| 14:57.02 | mick_linux | it is named something really random |
| 14:57.02 | dondelelcaro | cowmilk: uh... try asking #ubuntu? |
| 14:57.08 | cowmilk | because python-gpod is not available in the ubuntu repository |
| 14:57.10 | aleph0 | I need help. I-just-can't figure out why I can't establish an ftp connection for all users with an md5 hashed password. |
| 14:57.19 | aleph0 | it works for all the old users... |
| 14:57.22 | lunitik | !tell cowmilk about ubuntu |
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| 14:57.47 | aleph0 | but I thought PAM would be able to handle the new ones too. after all it works for ssh... |
| 14:57.55 | cowmilk | !tell luntik that cowmilk knows all about ubuntu |
| 14:57.59 | mick_linux | do printers say "we do PostScript" on the packaging? |
| 14:58.06 | mick_linux | or something like that |
| 14:58.09 | dondelelcaro | mick_linux: usually |
| 14:58.13 | ma3x | mick_linux, how can I select firefox to start with the other profile? |
| 14:58.27 | lunitik | !tell cowmilk about based on debian |
| 14:58.30 | dondelelcaro | mick_linux: they also say when you print out the test pages (or at least, the decent ones do) |
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| 14:58.59 | dondelelcaro | cowmilk: hey, if you know all about it, then you know not to ask here about it... #ubuntu is the place to ask those questions, since they can help you. |
| 14:59.10 | cowmilk | easy easy |
| 14:59.13 | cowmilk | whoa. |
| 14:59.34 | cowmilk | i've asked there. i just thought i could get help here |
| 14:59.44 | cowmilk | but as "dpkg" has said, i'm in the wrong space |
| 14:59.47 | cowmilk | place |
| 14:59.49 | lunitik | cowmilk: you thought wrong |
| 14:59.56 | cowmilk | yes, you're right. |
| 15:00.06 | asg | no need to think when the /topic is explicit on the matter |
| 15:00.27 | cowmilk | asg: oh, i just read the topic |
| 15:00.39 | asg | aleph0: rule #1 in pam debuggery is add 'debug' to the end of the rules that are problematic and look in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 15:01.02 | cowmilk | bye fellow debias-based people 8-) |
| 15:01.06 | cowmilk | debian-based |
| 15:01.14 | asg | we are Debian people, not debian-based |
| 15:01.25 | cowmilk | it was supposed to be funny |
| 15:01.28 | cowmilk | 8 - ) |
| 15:01.39 | lunitik | cowmilk: it wasn't |
| 15:01.46 | cowmilk | ok |
| 15:02.19 | cowmilk | goodbye distro-cousins |
| 15:02.48 | aleph0 | thanks asg - sometimes it's just a question of knowing in which logfile to look. :) |
| 15:02.56 | asg | aleph0: you're welcome |
| 15:02.58 | ax7 | Hi |
| 15:03.09 | cokeslut | hi |
| 15:03.21 | lunitik | cokeslut: hi ... nice nick |
| 15:03.47 | cowmilk | mew?\ |
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| 15:04.34 | cowmilk | take care neighbors! |
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| 15:05.31 | meredydd | Afternoon. Just tried an apt-get update, and I'm getting 404s from the debian-marilliat packages |
| 15:05.33 | streuner | Don't feed |
| 15:05.35 | meredydd | Anyone else seeing this? |
| 15:05.57 | asg | meredydd: are you using the debian-multimedia.org sources since they have moved? |
| 15:06.06 | cyzie | is wxvlc downloadable in etch, apt ? |
| 15:06.09 | meredydd | aha. When did they move? |
| 15:06.15 | asg | meredydd: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:06.17 | cokeslut | I'll find out |
| 15:06.18 | ax7 | that's a secret |
| 15:06.18 | streuner | cyzie: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:06.18 | asg | meredydd: asg@grep:~$ sudo apt-get update |
| 15:06.18 | asg | Get: 1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release.gpg [189B] |
| 15:06.21 | asg | meredydd: working here |
| 15:06.27 | streuner | here too |
| 15:06.47 | meredydd | aha. No, I hadn't moved. Many thanks! |
| 15:07.30 | mick_linux | hmmm, none of the printers listed on officemax.com are listed under: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=HP |
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| 15:07.37 | mick_linux | :-( |
| 15:07.44 | trygg | Why do i get "/usr/bin/gitfm: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied."? |
| 15:07.46 | dondelelcaro | s/g/get/ |
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| 15:07.55 | meredydd | "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main", yes? |
| 15:07.59 | streuner | use groups.google.com, mick_linux to see is the printer supported |
| 15:08.05 | asg | meredydd: yes |
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| 15:08.10 | dondelelcaro | trygg: it cannot chdir to whatever directory you're trying to chdir to. |
| 15:08.11 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.21 | trygg | dondelelcaro: is that because i need to be admin or something? |
| 15:08.25 | dondelelcaro | trygg: use strace or similar if you're not sure what directory that is. |
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| 15:08.31 | trygg | Im just trying to git something and another dude can get it with no problem. |
| 15:08.49 | lunitik | trygg: your user doesn't have read access to the dir |
| 15:09.01 | meredydd | Thanks, asg |
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| 15:09.06 | oxez | Is there an install cd for sid? Or we just have to configure our repos to upgrade to it? |
| 15:09.13 | asg | oxez: the latter |
| 15:09.17 | dondelelcaro | oxez: no, yes. |
| 15:09.19 | lunitik | oxez: there is |
| 15:09.31 | oxez | hm |
| 15:09.34 | dondelelcaro | oxez: in general, if you have to ask (or actually require an install cd) you shouldn't be using sid, though. |
| 15:09.41 | asg | oxez: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:10.16 | trygg | That has to do with the server im "git"-ing to? |
| 15:10.20 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: if you use an install cd... you shouldn't use sid? |
| 15:10.25 | oxez | dondelelcaro: I was just asking... |
| 15:10.32 | oxez | How does that mean I should not use sid? |
| 15:10.54 | asg | oxez: it's for testing by people that can contribute information back to debian, not for people who want up to the minute packages. |
| 15:11.34 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: you can fix extant bugs... |
| 15:11.36 | oxez | asg: Oh I see. |
| 15:11.50 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: extant? |
| 15:11.59 | asg | oxez: that doesn't mean you can't use it, it just means that you are expected to know how to fix it when it breaks. |
| 15:12.04 | dondelelcaro | !dict extant |
| 15:12.07 | asg | lunitik: ones that exist |
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| 15:12.08 | dpkg | Dictionary 'extant' (2 of 7): still in existence; not extinct or destroyed or lost; "extant manuscripts"; "specimens of graphic art found among extant barbaric folk"- Edward Clodd ;; Extant \Ex"tant\, a. [L. extans, -antis, or exstans, -antis, p. pr. of extare, exstare, to stand out or forth; ex out + stare to stand: cf. F. extant. See Stand.] 1. Standing out or above any surface; protruded.. |
| 15:12.20 | asg | lunitik: apt-get install dict ; dict extant |
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| 15:12.56 | oxez | asg: thanks |
| 15:13.01 | asg | lunitik: if you want to dict around when offline, install dictd also |
| 15:13.05 | asg | oxez: you're welcome |
| 15:13.21 | oxez | I'm a bit used os system breakage tho, using gentoo for so many years |
| 15:13.54 | dondelelcaro | oxez: in the end, use whatever you want... just be prepared to do some reading to catch up |
| 15:14.12 | lunitik | I wasn't aware Gentoo has even been around long enough for users to use it "for so many years" |
| 15:14.24 | oxez | lunitik: I mean 3 years |
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| 15:17.01 | roxy_ | what does that log tels me: Aug 5 13:30:31 home kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:13:8f:80:98:d5:00:0f:66:c6:1b:17:08:00 SRC=128.122.112.176 DST=192.168.1.105 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=46 ID=30136 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=4713 WINDOW=25236 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 |
| 15:17.18 | roxy_ | I am behind a firewall/router |
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| 15:18.04 | roxy_ | I understerstand that 128.122.112.176 sent me something on 4713 port, what is this port ? |
| 15:20.35 | streuner | hehe |
| 15:22.46 | lunitik | roxy_: you go to NYU? |
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| 15:23.20 | roxy_ | lunitik: no. I just found out there site after checking my log |
| 15:23.22 | Ruede | hi all |
| 15:23.58 | lunitik | roxy_: could be a stream or anything really... its not a defined port... |
| 15:24.22 | Ruede | the hdparm -t /dev/sda option. is it possible to let the programm test more megabytes ? |
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| 15:25.34 | streuner | 4713 is the webserver-port of emule |
| 15:25.54 | streuner | so you have remote access to the box... |
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| 15:26.32 | lordnazgul | abrotman, I figured out the number pad lock up thing. the machine was apparently not resetting the keyboard at boot, by passing kbd-reset to kernel seems ok. thought you might want to know |
| 15:26.41 | roxy_ | lunitik: thanks |
| 15:26.43 | thnee | can i download packages from the web? im running stable, but theres this one package id like to have from unstable |
| 15:26.50 | abrotman | lordnazgul: eh .. maybe file a bug? |
| 15:26.52 | roxy_ | streuner: what do you mean I have remote access ? |
| 15:27.02 | streuner | not you :-) |
| 15:28.00 | lordnazgul | abrotman prolly not. i dont think there are too many of these machines left. its an old compaq proliant 1850r |
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| 15:29.01 | streuner | roxy_: are you running emule or amule? |
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| 15:29.06 | Dabian | streuner : E-mule is available? |
| 15:29.08 | abrotman | lordnazgul: yeah .. but it seems it owuldn't be hard to change |
| 15:29.14 | roxy_ | streuner: no |
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| 15:29.18 | streuner | Dabian: |
| 15:29.22 | streuner | Dabian: no |
| 15:29.30 | lindi- | thnee: what package is it? |
| 15:29.35 | streuner | roxy_: well, you don't need to care then.. |
| 15:29.36 | Dabian | streuner : Wine? |
| 15:29.42 | lordnazgul | abrotman good point |
| 15:30.02 | abrotman | lordnazgul: this is from the installer ? |
| 15:30.36 | Dabian | streuner : WINE? |
| 15:31.48 | lordnazgul | abrotman it happens in the installer yeah, i was able to get through it, avoiding the number pad, and then it happened in the os. im running through it all again to see if it works |
| 15:32.04 | lunitik | Anyone knows what the Kad network is? |
| 15:32.21 | abrotman | lordnazgul: perhaps ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 15:32.26 | Dabian | streuner : You might run E-Mule with WINE? |
| 15:32.28 | abrotman | lunitik: ask #kde ? |
| 15:32.51 | lordnazgul | abrotman naw i think i got it figured out |
| 15:32.56 | Dabian | 1 |
| 15:32.57 | streuner | no, i drink wine, i don't *use* it ;-) |
| 15:33.05 | Dabian | !wine streuner |
| 15:33.15 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... not funny... amule supports it, I've never heard of it |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | lunitik: i thought perhaps it was a CAD app for KDE |
| 15:33.37 | thnee | lindi-: linuxdcpp |
| 15:33.59 | streuner | Dabian: thanks :-) |
| 15:33.59 | thnee | lindi-: om compiling it form cvs now, but itd just be nice to not have to do that |
| 15:34.11 | thnee | i am* |
| 15:34.43 | lindi- | thnee: compile it from unstable |
| 15:34.53 | lindi- | thnee: and don't compile as root, ever |
| 15:35.27 | thnee | lindi-: how do i do that. why never as root? |
| 15:36.08 | lindi- | thnee: because root priviledges are not needed for compiling and might break your system unnecessarily |
| 15:36.11 | Dabian | lindi-: y not? |
| 15:36.16 | Dabian | oh ok |
| 15:36.47 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... VariCAD ... which doesn't even start with a K :/ |
| 15:36.48 | Dabian | lindi- : I tend to be idiotic enough to compile kernel as root .. the few times I need to. |
| 15:36.50 | thnee | lindi-: k then, but how do i access unstable from stable? and why should i have to compile anything? thats what i wanted to avoid |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | lunitik: you can't blame me for thinking that :) |
| 15:37.18 | muaddib | Has anyone used a ramdisk card in there system |
| 15:37.23 | lindi- | thnee: the binary packages in unstable link to newer c library |
| 15:37.48 | lindi- | thnee: a sec |
| 15:38.02 | thnee | lindi-: im sorry, i think youre talking a bit to advanced for me here |
| 15:38.11 | lunitik | abrotman: fwiw, kde4 is doing away with the Kfoo name scheme... |
| 15:38.52 | abrotman | lunitik: so they say ... |
| 15:39.07 | lindi- | thnee: i'll check if it builds cleanly on sarge |
| 15:39.46 | thnee | lindi-: i have installed linuxdcpp on unstable, and i didnt have to compile anything, i thought that was the point with binary packages? |
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| 15:40.08 | lindi- | thnee: mixing binary packages between sarge and unstable is something i've never done |
| 15:40.22 | lindi- | thnee: you could create a chroot installation of unstable |
| 15:40.31 | lindi- | that'd be quite safe too |
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| 15:41.20 | thnee | lindi-: seems unecessary to have an extra installation just for one program |
| 15:41.22 | lindi- | thnee: http://iki.fi/lindi/dchroot.txt lists commands you can use to install unstable to directory /sid |
| 15:41.48 | lindi- | thnee: yes, it takes extra hdd space but not much more |
| 15:42.41 | thnee | before i try that.. has someone used unstable binary packages in stable? |
| 15:43.04 | lunitik | thnee: its a bad idea... different libc6 versions... |
| 15:43.06 | thnee | i was thinking download the deb and dpkg -i it |
| 15:43.17 | lindi- | thnee: bad idea indeed |
| 15:44.02 | thnee | hm ok then |
| 15:44.13 | lindi- | thnee: 1) add "deb-src http://kurp.hut.fi:9999/debian sid main" to sources.list 2) sudo apt-get update 3) sudo apt-get build-dep linux-dcpp 4) fakeroot apt-get --build source linuxdcpp |
| 15:44.23 | lindi- | thnee: whoops, you better use "ftp.fi.debian.org" there |
| 15:44.32 | lindi- | or some other mirror |
| 15:44.38 | streuner | he' |
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| 15:44.45 | streuner | he is using apt-proxy... |
| 15:44.52 | lindi- | yep |
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| 15:45.12 | barugezd | bonjour |
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| 15:45.30 | thnee | lindi-: then it just seems easier to just compile from cvs.. |
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| 15:45.35 | lindi- | thnee: that'll take the source package from unstable, compile it and create a binary package for sarge |
| 15:45.44 | lindi- | thnee: will the cvs version give you a debian package? |
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| 15:46.32 | thnee | lindi-: no, i compile with scons and install with binreloc |
| 15:46.57 | lindi- | thnee: whatever, those steps 1-4 seem to work here |
| 15:47.03 | lindi- | thnee: (it's still compiling though) |
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| 15:47.53 | thnee | lindi-: thanks for the help, but i have already compiled from cvs so ill stick to that |
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| 15:52.20 | positron_ | tcp/ip experts here? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=471027 pls msg me if any suggestions |
| 15:53.37 | abrotman | you want someone to msg you? |
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| 15:54.32 | lindi- | positron_: strace nmap |
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| 15:55.46 | lindi- | positron_: also better put the binary tcpdump logs online somewhere |
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| 15:55.59 | muaddib | Does anyone know if the Intel Duo 2 Core are support by 2.6 kerbel |
| 15:56.00 | ntba | hi guys i need your an opinion as to whether i should use debian etch as a server as opposed to other distros? |
| 15:56.21 | ntba | like is it stable and secure enough? |
| 15:56.41 | lindi- | ntba: a server? |
| 15:57.11 | ntba | webserver |
| 15:57.24 | lindi- | php and stuff? |
| 15:57.29 | ntba | exactly |
| 15:57.33 | Codemaster_ | hi all, got a little problem with nfs, i just installed a brand new box... installed nfs-kernel-server, exported a directory to world but can't mount it on the other machine |
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| 15:57.45 | ntba | nothing mission critical and it wont be too busy either |
| 15:57.55 | Codemaster_ | other way around works nice |
| 15:57.55 | dondelelcaro | Codemaster_: is portmap bound to something besides localhost |
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| 15:58.21 | ntba | ive been running it so far for the past 4 days and it seems to be pretty good |
| 15:59.10 | ntba | i also had sarge but it was way outdated for my needs and i dont know how good the 2.4 kernal is compared to 2.6 |
| 15:59.21 | dondelelcaro | ntba: are you going to be using this machine in production? |
| 15:59.23 | Codemaster_ | dondelelcaro, ... you got it nice thnxs |
| 15:59.47 | lindi- | ntba: sarge has 2.6 |
| 16:00.25 | ntba | well if you consider production as a personal and Secure webserver then yes ;) |
| 16:01.22 | positron_ | lindi-: have to figure out that strace can you give me the idea of how it could help me? and do you mean the hexdump with -X option as the binary in tcpdump? |
| 16:01.59 | dondelelcaro | ntba: unless there's a really huge reason to use newer packages than are in sarge (in most cases, there wont be or backports will suffice) you should stick with sarge, as it's more stable, and generally has faster security updates. |
| 16:02.30 | lindi- | positron_: i mean tcpdump -w |
| 16:02.33 | dondelelcaro | ntba: however, if you can handle an occasional bug that makes it through unstable and keep the machine up to date, it is possible to run testing... but it may break at any time. |
| 16:02.35 | lindi- | positron_: the libpcap format |
| 16:02.43 | lindi- | positron_: strace -s4096 -o strace.out -f nmap ... |
| 16:03.24 | roxy_ | using netstat I see: raw 0 0 0.0.0.0:1 0.0.0.0:* 7 |
| 16:03.40 | roxy_ | but with -p option I don't see any process doing it |
| 16:03.55 | ntba | thank you for your opinion don I'll consider both :D |
| 16:04.05 | ntba | see what ends up workin best |
| 16:04.06 | Codemaster_ | at last but not least it works .... thnks dondelelcaro |
| 16:04.37 | roxy_ | I don't have package : iplogger and portsentry |
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| 16:05.01 | positron_ | lindi-: how i can read the files made with -w switch? if i cat it its full of crap |
| 16:05.27 | lindi- | positron_: ethereal -r |
| 16:06.24 | trygg | Ehm, how do i apt-get gtk2? |
| 16:06.34 | roxy_ | but I got lisa(LAN information server for KDE) :-) |
| 16:07.15 | roxy_ | trygg: "apt-cache search gtk2" to know exactly whcih package you want |
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| 16:08.24 | positron_ | lindi-: does it work only in gui mode? i dont have gui in this box |
| 16:08.30 | trygg | So if i get gtk2-engines-whatever, does it also compile gtk2? Because i think i have it but two other program has complained when i tried to compile them |
| 16:08.34 | lindi- | positron_: tethereal |
| 16:09.15 | finn23 | I just inserted a new PCI USB2.0 controller.. how do I find out if it's ready for action? |
| 16:09.33 | roxy_ | trygg: what version of debian do you use ? |
| 16:09.43 | trygg | I dont know, how do i check? |
| 16:09.49 | trygg | "Fatal error: cannot load shared library dlllablgtk2" |
| 16:10.15 | finn23 | if I plug in an extension cord (with LEDs in it) it lights up |
| 16:10.29 | roxy_ | trygg: stable, testing or unstable ? |
| 16:10.30 | finn23 | but the bluetooth adapter I tried won't |
| 16:11.04 | trygg | It was with elive, i dont know exactly but my guess is unstable |
| 16:11.12 | positron_ | lindi-: ok thanks. it tells me the same info as the dump in the forumpost tho |
| 16:11.47 | abrotman | finn23: lspci ... see the card? |
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| 16:11.59 | finn23 | yes |
| 16:12.08 | abrotman | i'd think you're good to go |
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| 16:12.26 | finn23 | the tiny led on the bluetooth adapter won't light up |
| 16:13.20 | roxy_ | trygg: what package do you want to install ? |
| 16:14.00 | roxy_ | trygg: compiling is not the easiest way to do. |
| 16:14.00 | trygg | Im trying to run xara-gtk-byte |
| 16:14.18 | trygg | Well actually, that is via apt-get |
| 16:14.31 | finn23 | I'll look for another USB device which might indicate that it's working |
| 16:14.33 | YoG | is there a simple way to setup usb wifi dongle (i'm on Etch)? |
| 16:14.41 | roxy_ | trygg: aptitude install xara-gtk-byte |
| 16:15.27 | trygg | Whats the difference between apt-get install and aptitude install? |
| 16:15.58 | roxy_ | trygg: old timer prefer apt-get :-) |
| 16:16.30 | roxy_ | trygg: aptitude is newer |
| 16:16.37 | trygg | Ah, good stuff. |
| 16:16.41 | trygg | Still, it didnt install anything |
| 16:17.09 | abrotman | finn23: load the driver for the bluetooth device? |
| 16:17.24 | roxy_ | trygg: can you paste the message |
| 16:18.05 | lindi- | positron_: it should show you what the framesize difference means |
| 16:18.06 | trygg | That i get from what, aptitude or xara? |
| 16:19.06 | positron_ | can I cat all traffic directly from the nic-device? |
| 16:19.25 | roxy_ | trygg: you installed the package with aptitude without problem ? |
| 16:19.59 | trygg | Yeah, if it even installed? |
| 16:20.27 | positron_ | lindi-: cant figure it out |
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| 16:20.34 | trygg | No it didnt i see now, it says 0 packets installed |
| 16:20.45 | positron_ | lindi-: i get only : 1 0.000000 62.44.217.154 -> 84.34.147.69 TCP 47757 > telnet [SYN] Seq=0 Ack=0 Win=2048 Len=0 MSS=1460 2 0.000015 84.34.147.69 -> 62.44.217.154 TCP telnet > 47757 [RST, ACK] Seq=0 Ack=0 Win=0 Len=0 |
| 16:20.55 | positron_ | sry flood |
| 16:21.16 | roxy_ | trygg: do: "aptitude install xara-gtk-byte" and paste the result |
| 16:22.15 | trygg | Well, i have swedish so i dont think you will understand much. :p |
| 16:22.47 | trygg | But it quits with something like "writes expanded statusinformation... OK" |
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| 16:23.16 | lindi- | positron_: well, i want the binary version :) |
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| 16:24.10 | roxy_ | trygg: dpkg -L xara-gtk-byte |
| 16:24.45 | trygg | What should i look for? |
| 16:25.46 | roxy_ | trygg: well if you get some file listed . If yes, then the package is installed |
| 16:26.05 | trygg | Yeh, i get like 10 lines. |
| 16:26.19 | trygg | But still, when it try to run the program it says that i dont have 18:25 < roxy_> trygg: dpkg -L xara-gtk-byte |
| 16:26.23 | trygg | whops |
| 16:26.28 | trygg | dlllablgtk2.so |
| 16:27.46 | roxy_ | have a look in /usr/share/doc/xara-gtk-byte/README.debian for some info |
| 16:28.20 | trygg | Dont have one. :p |
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| 16:29.51 | roxy_ | don't you have anything in /usr/share/doc/xara-gtk-byte ? |
| 16:30.19 | trygg | changelog.gz and copyright |
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| 16:32.41 | finn23 | abrotman, the device seems to not even be recognized by the system |
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| 16:32.49 | positron_ | lindi-: blah have to learn more.. i tried to upload the binary file but i can scp it from this box to my desktop box cos i dont have route to it, i added the route but got destination host unreachable.. its possibly in my crappy temporary firewall script. |
| 16:32.50 | dhuv | hello all |
| 16:32.52 | roxy_ | trygg: got it, got the same problem :-) |
| 16:32.52 | finn23 | how can I check if it is? |
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| 16:33.01 | finn23 | it just stays "off" |
| 16:33.02 | trygg | Oh. :( |
| 16:33.25 | dhuv | I am having a difficult time figuring out if ftp.nerim.net has mythtv 0.19 for debian stable |
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| 16:33.52 | dhuv | I go to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian/pool/main/m but dont see the directory for mythtv |
| 16:34.01 | dhuv | how do I find out where the packages are? |
| 16:34.08 | roxy_ | trygg: you should fill a bug report |
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| 16:34.56 | dhuv | I also read the ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages file but I dont see mythtv in there |
| 16:35.25 | azeem | dhuv: nerim.net might be obsolete/outdated, use one of the debian-multimedia.org mirrors |
| 16:35.29 | azeem | e.g. http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia/pool/main/m/mythtv/ |
| 16:35.35 | azeem | dunno if that is for sarge, though |
| 16:35.48 | finn23 | dmesg doesnt change if I plug the bluetooth device in. when I plug in the cardreader it does... |
| 16:35.49 | Coweater | that's the official sarge tree you're looking at, sarge doesn't have a mythtv package |
| 16:36.16 | abrotman | HI |
| 16:36.29 | abrotman | finn23: which device? the pci card or the bt device? |
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| 16:36.50 | Raito | How do I scroll up in a console? |
| 16:37.04 | azeem | shift+pgup |
| 16:37.08 | Raito | thanks |
| 16:37.24 | Raito | also, in a console you can't multitask can you? |
| 16:37.34 | Coweater | screen |
| 16:38.10 | finn23 | the pci card is listed, when I attach a card reader to it, it works. the bluetooth adapter stays off and isn't recognited in lsusb |
| 16:41.14 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 16:41.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 16:41.45 | dhuv | azeem: thanks |
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| 16:42.53 | trygg | Is it a pickle to get an ati radeon 9000's tv-out to work? |
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| 16:43.07 | YoG | can anyone help me setting a usb wifi dongle? |
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| 16:44.23 | ifvoid | wow |
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| 16:44.28 | ifvoid | you guys still all here? |
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| 16:46.45 | azeem | ifvoid: why? |
| 16:46.51 | abrotman | still? |
| 16:47.11 | azeem | oh, he just joined again |
| 16:47.21 | abrotman | he's been hiding with the weirdos on oftc |
| 16:47.32 | ifvoid | oh well, since debian migrated to oftc |
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| 16:47.55 | azeem | ifvoid: well, the dns changed, this channel continues to be supported |
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| 16:52.59 | Malagmyr | argh. I hate it when I'm downloading a file, looking at the speed and going "Yay! 1000 KB/s!" and then realize I'm looking at the wrong column and 1000 is hours remaining for it to be downloaded. |
| 16:53.10 | ifvoid | Malagmyr: hah |
| 16:53.14 | SpeedyG | hehe |
| 16:53.17 | ifvoid | Malagmyr: which mirror are you using? |
| 16:53.58 | Malagmyr | It's not on apt. I'm downloading it on a debian machine, though, so it is REMOTELY relevant :) |
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| 16:55.46 | elirips | hello. could someone please give me a hint where i need to place additional .dll files, that are needed by an applications i'dd like to run with wine? |
| 16:55.51 | Malagmyr | Norway is like this really big LAN. Everyone has a good connection, but once you're trying to get to something that's outside our borders (like something that's not about fjords) it's like being on a dialup all over again. |
| 16:56.08 | jcreigh | I just upgraded from sarge to testing. Now that I'm running testing, in order to keep tracking the lasted version in testing, should I be using "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade"? |
| 16:56.18 | ifvoid | dist-upgrade |
| 16:56.39 | ifvoid | although you should be careful that it doesn;t remove half of your packages |
| 16:56.48 | SpeedyG | Malagmyr: yeah, peering to norway sucks.. I can't even get over 1MB/s :( |
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| 17:02.35 | abrotman | jcreigh: are you sure you want to track testing .. and not etch ? |
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| 17:06.25 | jbalcomb | Malagmyr: Is that because all traffic routes through the governments network for monitoring before it leaves the country? |
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| 17:07.04 | jair | hello GNU/Linux masters ;) |
| 17:07.42 | finn23 | abrotman, bluetooth.com didn't really help. the device seems to not even be getting any power |
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| 17:07.52 | jcreigh | abrotman: Hmm...that's a good question...so if I tracked etch, I'll continue to track that, even after etch becomes the new stable? |
| 17:08.02 | finn23 | although it works fine on a windows laptop of a friend of mine |
| 17:08.03 | abrotman | finn23: i think you meant the bluez-utils or whatever it's called |
| 17:08.09 | abrotman | jcreigh: yes |
| 17:08.26 | jcreigh | abrotman: In general, is that a Good Thing? |
| 17:08.34 | finn23 | it's not being listed under lsusb. |
| 17:08.48 | Vasistha | as yet another morning falls upon me, I encounter once again my typical dilemna: in order to open applications from the terminal as other users, I need to run xhost +local: |
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| 17:09.03 | abrotman | jcreigh: that depends .. myself .. i usually track the codenames .. and will follow etch for a month or two after its release .. then go to <etch+1> |
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| 17:09.11 | vulture | Vasistha: use "sux" or just ssh -X to localhost, etc.. |
| 17:09.30 | Vasistha | ...so once again, I'm in the mood to try something else. what are the merits / advantages / disadvantages of sux vs sshx? |
| 17:10.12 | jcreigh | abrotman: Hmm...okay...I'll think about that. Thanks for the tip. |
| 17:10.43 | jair | I was watching the movie "Revolution-os" pretty interesting kind of imspiring very cool. |
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| 17:11.04 | Smerdyakov | How can I get better debugging information about when processes die because they have exceeded ulimits? |
| 17:11.06 | vulture | Vasistha: well sux would be the more direct route, not sure I remember using it myself *shrugs* give it a go |
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| 17:13.41 | abrotman | WHAT? |
| 17:13.45 | Vasistha | ooh, sux worked really easily! |
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| 17:19.42 | multi_io | gawd, aptitude dumps core as if it had ingested 5 gallons of laxative drugs |
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| 17:25.22 | trygg | Hm, if apt-get update has problems with the servers, how can i fix it? :D |
| 17:25.47 | roxy_ | If I have tomcat and mysql on a production server, does it make sens to chroot tomcat AND mysql ? |
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| 17:27.42 | roxy_ | trygg: what problem ? paste the output. |
| 17:28.24 | roxy_ | trygg: I am no english speaker too, but I set language to english so people can read the error log on irc :-) |
| 17:29.15 | minerale | How would I find/install patches for packages? Do I have to check for updates on each package? is this automated somehow? |
| 17:29.39 | trygg | roxy_: fair enough. :D |
| 17:29.41 | vulture | minerale: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; |
| 17:29.43 | trygg | They ping out |
| 17:29.44 | vulture | simple enough. |
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| 17:30.22 | roxy_ | trygg: did it worked before ? did you change /etc/apt/source.list ? |
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| 17:30.43 | yff | hi |
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| 17:31.25 | trygg | roxy_: yeah it worked before, and no i havent messed with anything :D |
| 17:31.31 | yff | is anyone in here familiar with amavis/spamassassin/postfix/clamav solution ? |
| 17:31.50 | yff | I need help on some headers since im trying to reject spam on headers |
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| 17:32.58 | yff | I have pasted the header here : |
| 17:32.59 | yff | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3352 |
| 17:33.23 | yff | how do i use the following info from the header : |
| 17:33.24 | yff | X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 tagged_above=-0.1 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00, |
| 17:33.24 | yff | RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RCVD_IN_XBL |
| 17:33.43 | yff | to get that mail ejected from the receivers inbox ? |
| 17:33.57 | roxy_ | trygg: can you ping manually the server ? if the server is down, there isn't much you can do :-) |
| 17:34.05 | yff | i mean rcvd_in_njabl_dul ought to be enought to reject it ? |
| 17:34.25 | yff | but what do i need to do that ? |
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| 17:37.20 | mhall | w00t! |
| 17:37.23 | mhall | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 17:37.25 | mhall | /dev/md0 932G 912K 932G 1% /raid |
| 17:37.29 | yff | anyone ?? |
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| 17:38.31 | blondie | mhall: tiny! |
| 17:38.32 | blondie | :P |
| 17:38.57 | biopyte | hi. in grub's config-file "menu.lst" what are "ywrap" and "mtrr" in the video section good for? |
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| 17:41.03 | mhall | blondie: Well I always dreamed of a terabyte. |
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| 17:41.25 | mhall | blondie: This meets the terabyte size but not tebibyte ;). |
| 17:41.54 | finn23 | abrotman, I just booted an old knoppix CD I had lying here. it recognizes the bluetooth adapter |
| 17:42.06 | mhall | blondie: The only problem is one of the drives came to me fried, and the install process has been MISERABLE due to SATA cd devices not being enabled by default and me not finding out until way after I did the install. |
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| 17:42.30 | mhall | blondie: The debian channels are a fraction of the quality they were before they got split. |
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| 17:42.55 | deadcat_ | i get this error when i try to compile the orinoco driver: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/pastebin dont know what i am missing in the kernel config. |
| 17:43.34 | blondie | mhall: I know :( |
| 17:43.38 | mhall | deadcat_: the architecture of the wireless code in the kernel these days is in my estimation crap |
| 17:43.53 | mhall | deadcat_: but i'll see if i can help from my experiences with broadcom and atheros |
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| 17:44.44 | roxy_ | is there a way to stop timeoutd to log each minute ? |
| 17:44.45 | deadcat_ | mhall: the thing is that the driver comopiles on 2.6.15 debian kernel. but i am using a custom kernel. so i guess i am missing an option in menuconfig |
| 17:44.51 | mhall | deadcat_: what source code are you using |
| 17:45.10 | deadcat_ | mhall: savannah.nognu.org |
| 17:45.15 | deadcat_ | cvs |
| 17:45.22 | mhall | deadcat_: i meant for the kernel |
| 17:45.45 | yff | hmm... |
| 17:45.49 | mhall | deadcat_: can you past line 464 |
| 17:45.53 | yff | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3352 |
| 17:45.54 | mhall | paste* |
| 17:45.58 | yff | anyone care to help ? |
| 17:46.05 | deadcat_ | mhall: ok. let me paste everything |
| 17:46.09 | yff | need info on how to sort that off my system. |
| 17:46.12 | twotwenty | im using kernel 2.6.16.14, how do i upgrade from it to the latest (2.6.17.7) ? |
| 17:46.37 | yff | the spam is triggered, but not removed ....do i look in amavis for that ? |
| 17:47.04 | roxy_ | yff: you could try to ask on #amavis |
| 17:47.16 | mhall | I decided I have to quit ordering from newegg because they make it a pain to return stuff. |
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| 17:48.00 | mhall | I ordered a $2500 system from them and they are charging me $70 in restocking to return some RAM which they didn't clearly describe as ECC unregistered. |
| 17:48.14 | mhall | The amount of shit I've bought from them I think I deserve a bit better. |
| 17:48.17 | ivan`_ | i only order parts that i don't need to return from them |
| 17:48.31 | deadcat_ | mhall: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/prism_usb.c |
| 17:48.42 | mhall | And they are going to make ME pay for a hard disk that was DOA that they or their shipper probably fucked up, cause I doubt it left the factory that way. |
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| 17:49.10 | mhall | That's what I hate: all the Internet h/w companies are getting big and the service fucking sucks, kind of like this channel since it forked. |
| 17:49.17 | blondie | mhall: unlucky... we have nice new laws for that stuff here |
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| 17:49.57 | ivan`_ | mhall, there isn't much to debian except apt-get and fixing weird problems in unstable |
| 17:50.06 | ivan`_ | channels going to shit doesn't worry me much |
| 17:50.56 | mhall | deadcat_: i'm diving into my kernel.org code to check this shit out |
| 17:51.16 | mhall | ivan`_: this channel was wonderful back in 1998, and i'm not just saying it to make the 'good old days' argument |
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| 17:51.22 | twotwenty | anyone know why everytime i connect this my friend server it points me to: 70.168.71.254 |
| 17:51.26 | twotwenty | ?? |
| 17:51.26 | deadcat_ | mhall: thnknks. (= |
| 17:51.31 | ivan`_ | everything was wonderful back in 1998 except for that netscape 4 thing |
| 17:51.41 | twotwenty | they said something about foonet |
| 17:51.48 | mhall | ivan`_: i mean a few months ago somebody could have helped me figure out why kde wasn't loading on my box. now nobody here knows. |
| 17:52.16 | mhall | deadcat_: what i think happened is, somebody fucked with the definition of struct usb_driver |
| 17:52.18 | deadcat_ | mhall: by the way. i will be at linuxworld on aug 15 and 16 (tue and wed) and picnic on 19 (sat) in sunnyvale. |
| 17:52.50 | deadcat_ | mhall: but i was using the same code when i compile uing a debian kernel though. thats why its trange to me |
| 17:53.02 | mhall | deadcat_: yeah i couldn't make it up to linuxworld this time because i can't get vacation right now |
| 17:53.07 | deadcat_ | ^trange^strange |
| 17:53.15 | deadcat_ | mhall: doh |
| 17:53.24 | mhall | deadcat_: i kind of got fucked since i started halfway thru the year: i get 36 hours for the whole year |
| 17:53.37 | mhall | deadcat_: and i'm required to use them 26-29 dec |
| 17:53.48 | mhall | deadcat_: because the site where i work shuts down |
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| 17:53.55 | deadcat_ | damn! |
| 17:54.07 | mhall | deadcat_: personally i don't like taking my vacation then because the weather sucks and nothing's open |
| 17:54.18 | deadcat_ | true |
| 17:54.21 | mhall | deadcat_: but hey, they know better than i do, so that's how it will be |
| 17:54.56 | mhall | i used my ONE DAY of vacation for the whole year to go up to see my relatives in Washington for July 4th |
| 17:55.13 | mhall | so now i have 36 hours remaining |
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| 17:57.05 | roxy_ | I got 10 weeks vacation a year , half of it is to write oss |
| 17:57.47 | hillel | I am new to debian, and I am trying to install a new kernel in testing. |
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| 17:58.14 | deadcat_ | hillel: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 17:58.17 | hillel | Why is it that there is one package names kernel-image and another linux-image? |
| 17:58.22 | mhall | roxy_: lol! |
| 17:58.40 | hillel | deadcat: I currently have kernel-image installed, was there a name change or something? |
| 17:58.45 | roxy_ | mhall: i wasn't jocking |
| 17:58.48 | deadcat_ | hillel: ya |
| 17:58.56 | mhall | roxy_: wasn't saying you were |
| 17:59.02 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 17:59.04 | hillel | deadcat: OK thanks |
| 17:59.05 | mhall | roxy_: i was just like, you lucky bastard |
| 17:59.19 | roxy_ | mhall: basic in france is around |
| 17:59.23 | roxy_ | 6 weeks |
| 17:59.33 | mhall | roxy_: yeah that's pretty common in europe |
| 17:59.55 | minerale | "Me, I actually prefer the Linux desktop over Windows" - Ian Murdock on his blog, 2/Apr/2006 |
| 18:00.04 | mhall | deadcat_: oops, i wondered why my kernel code grep didn't work, i had "egrep -ir '^ *struct usb_driver'" not "egrep -ir '^ *struct usb_driver' *" |
| 18:00.08 | mhall | deadcat_: doh! |
| 18:00.14 | mhall | minerale: hopefully he does |
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| 18:01.41 | mhall | deadcat_: alright, so in my copy of the kernel there is no owner field in struct usb_driver |
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| 18:01.57 | mhall | deadcat_: you can find the struct in include/linux/usb.h of the kernel |
| 18:02.04 | deadcat_ | mhall: k |
| 18:02.16 | mhall | deadcat_: i'm guessing if you /**/ that line it might work, check your usb driver file |
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| 18:03.41 | deadcat_ | mhall: theres so many lines with struct usb_driver in the usb.h file |
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| 18:03.53 | stoned | mhall |
| 18:04.03 | mhall | deadcat_: yeah the definition is at ~ line 600 |
| 18:04.07 | mhall | stoned: 'lo! |
| 18:04.11 | stoned | hey buddy |
| 18:04.17 | stoned | where have you been lately |
| 18:04.22 | mhall | stoned: I just got a 1 TB array up and going but one of the drives is DOA. |
| 18:04.28 | stoned | word! |
| 18:04.34 | mhall | stoned: I guess that's why they have RAID, lol. |
| 18:04.46 | stoned | I smoked a jay and then I passed my piss test |
| 18:04.50 | stoned | I'm happy |
| 18:04.55 | mhall | stoned: So, yes, I have been at work. I graduated and promptly began working for the man. |
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| 18:05.02 | stoned | I'm about to start working |
| 18:05.02 | mhall | stoned: dude! nice work! |
| 18:05.11 | stoned | dell |
| 18:05.40 | mhall | So, here's the problem. I have a 300GB drive containing some "content" I'd like to place on the array with the missing parity drive. |
| 18:05.44 | stoned | its not much pay considering my profession, but hell, I have not even graduated yet |
| 18:06.07 | mhall | Is it safe to place the "content" on this device on the array, then blank the device and add it to the array as the parity drive? |
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| 18:06.19 | mhall | What's my risk of data loss? Is there a test I can run first? |
| 18:06.38 | stoned | I have no idea, I've never had enough money to buy that kinda gear |
| 18:06.56 | mhall | Yeah I finally built my dream: dual Opterons! |
| 18:07.06 | stoned | hopefully soon with this dell job, stuff will be discounted |
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| 18:07.21 | stoned | I heard they fired that retarded college kid on dell commercials because he tested positive |
| 18:07.22 | mhall | stoned: get one of their monstrous dual Woodcrests |
| 18:07.29 | mhall | stoned: those things are INSANE! |
| 18:07.53 | stoned | opteron was like 1000$ last time I checked |
| 18:08.00 | stoned | in 3 payments of 365 in 3 years |
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| 18:08.46 | phorce1 | gee mhall -- I just broke down and moved all the way to an Athlon64 (754 pin) just because it was on sale. |
| 18:09.04 | mhall | phorce1: yeah my video card blew out and my box was a piece of shit |
| 18:09.13 | mhall | phorce1: so i decided i'd go server-grade this time |
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| 18:09.37 | mhall | speaking of which i scored a used server from work with 6x18GB 15k RPM Ultra320s and a 1 gig P3 Xeon. |
| 18:09.58 | mhall | those 15k drives are savage but this fucker is one loud fucker |
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| 18:10.22 | mhall | i gotta boot the bitch up and linuxificate it today |
| 18:10.53 | Darkhack | linuxificate... that has to be the coolest word ever |
| 18:11.06 | mhall | anyhow i'm gonna peace out off this pc so i can borrow its KB and screen for this rack server |
| 18:11.26 | mhall | i wanna get this pigfucker running so i can plug it in as my new web server at my university |
| 18:11.28 | twotwenty | hey, how do i clear my dns cache, etc |
| 18:11.39 | mhall | i get a free static ip down there and 2mbit uplink |
| 18:11.48 | roxy_ | mhall: ye linuxificat da bitch |
| 18:11.51 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 18:11.55 | mhall | roxy_: word up |
| 18:12.01 | phorce1 | I have 6 Sparc Storage Arrays sitting here waiting for me to get around to putting drives in them. Just toys, bigger arrays are cheaper than these will be now. They hold 30 drives each. SCA up to 9G drives only so just a few hundred gigs if I fill them up and Raid 5 them. |
| 18:12.02 | mhall | it's gonna be CRAZY |
| 18:12.20 | mhall | phorce1: that fucker's gonna be fast too |
| 18:12.28 | mhall | phorce1: most scas are 10k rpm or more |
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| 18:13.24 | phorce1 | mhall: olg 9G half height drives -- mostly 7200 rpm. And the array stack is as big as my desk. |
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| 18:13.38 | phorce1 | olg == old |
| 18:14.40 | mhall | haha sweet my usb keyboard plugged and played |
| 18:14.49 | mhall | now i can keep ircing while i linuxify |
| 18:15.05 | mhall | phorce1: damn that *is* oldschool |
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| 18:16.45 | phorce1 | mhall: but they connect using fc/al -- should get full drive speed through to the host regardless of what I hook them up to. Trying to decide on whether to use them on a PC or the Sparc Ultra1 stack. |
| 18:17.06 | mhall | woohoo this is one fucking LOUD fucker |
| 18:17.07 | phorce1 | stoned: where are you? Which Dell campus will you be on? |
| 18:17.26 | stoned | I sent my roommate to work with my car, I hope nothing bad happens |
| 18:17.29 | mhall | phorce1: i have got a couple of salvaged fc controller cards i could send |
| 18:18.30 | stoned | phorce1, you can very easily find that out |
| 18:18.34 | stoned | :) |
| 18:18.38 | phorce1 | mhall: If I could figure out how to ship them I'd send you a couple of the array boxes. |
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| 18:19.47 | phorce1 | stoned: too far north. If you were in Austin I was gonna invite you down to Houston Monday night for a Lagwagon show -- or Wednesday for Ted Nugent |
| 18:20.03 | mhall | they are gonna shit their pants when i put it in our comp sci lab |
| 18:20.06 | stoned | yeah |
| 18:20.27 | stoned | my best friends live there, as well as my sister and my cousine, and my mom is down visiting them in houston right now |
| 18:20.27 | stoned | :) |
| 18:20.35 | stoned | I might move to houston soon |
| 18:21.07 | stoned | I don't go to anything but metal concerts though |
| 18:22.36 | phorce1 | Lagwagon is punk |
| 18:23.01 | stoned | I can't dig punk, in fact punk pisses me off |
| 18:23.49 | stoned | punks are like hippies, all they do is moan and groan about corporations in their music, but they never do anything. At least the metal people talk about death and killing and a bunch of them actually do it |
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| 18:25.12 | phorce1 | You listen to the wron punk bands. I like punk bands that do covers. Shit like old Barry Manilow played on speed. |
| 18:25.37 | stoned | Barry Manilow |
| 18:25.49 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:26.13 | phorce1 | Somebody (Me first or MxPx) did a cover of "Mandy" that rocked. |
| 18:26.43 | stoned | you know, I don't even really like the music much. There isn't really any talent/skill involved in playing punk |
| 18:26.54 | mhall | well fuck, maybe they are serial killers but at least they're logically consistent. eh, stoned? |
| 18:27.25 | roxy_ | how can I avoid those message in logcheck: Aug 5 19:02:13 home timeoutd[5391]: get_xidle(:0,) returned 0mins idle for roxy_ ? |
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| 18:28.28 | nstary | I want to GPL my Linux distribution. Do I have to apply to the GPL or just declare it publically? |
| 18:28.41 | Hoxzer | GPL? |
| 18:28.50 | phorce1 | I like the speed riff effect. I listen to metal too but mostly mainstream stuff like Rammstein. No metal stations here and the Sirius metal station is kinda lame. |
| 18:29.23 | phorce1 | nstary: Just make sure all the components are GPL and add a copy of the license file. |
| 18:30.34 | crazy_penguin | good night all! sleep well! |
| 18:32.09 | phorce1 | stoned: I'm a bit of a "mutt" anyway. Long haired hippy who drives old Volkswagens but also has highly visible tattoos and listens to loud, fast music instead of Grateful dead |
| 18:32.26 | stoned | to each their own |
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| 18:34.47 | stoned | phorce1, may I msg you? |
| 18:35.42 | phorce1 | yes |
| 18:36.05 | dbe | Does anyone use rmail? |
| 18:36.35 | yff | hi anyone know how to solve this error : |
| 18:36.37 | yff | Aug 5 20:29:20 unknown postfix/smtp[1716]: 63EC051B90: to=<yff@yff.dk>, relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred (connect to localhost[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused) |
| 18:36.48 | yff | i have just changed a few settings in amavis.conf |
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| 18:37.05 | yff | nothing to do with the ports |
| 18:37.12 | yff | worked before changing things |
| 18:37.48 | trygg | I have a little problem, i have some small files that i need to keep when i reformat because i borked my system |
| 18:37.51 | trygg | How should i go about? |
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| 18:38.06 | berto- | hi everyone. I have a server running debian 3.1 and have tripwire installed. Every time the daily cron runs it says that there is 1 violation: /root was modified. Anyone know if either cron or tripwire is writing temp files into /root and how I can fix that? |
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| 18:40.59 | berto- | trygg: have you tried a live cd + usb flash drive? |
| 18:42.12 | trygg | Well i have a live cd, cant it use my ram to store some stuff on while i install? |
| 18:42.31 | berto- | trygg: as soon as you reboot the stuff in ram is *pfft* |
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| 18:42.50 | trygg | Yeah but with a livecd you dont have to reboot, do you? |
| 18:43.09 | trygg | I mean, cant you format and partition up the stuff, install and before you reboot into your system, you put back the stuff? |
| 18:43.37 | berto- | once the installation is done, you do. do you not have anything to store the files on for a short amount of time: cd-r, flash drive, floppy, etc ? |
| 18:43.50 | trygg | Nope, nothing. |
| 18:43.54 | abrotman | finn23: which kernel are you using ? |
| 18:43.57 | berto- | how about another machine, ftp them over ? |
| 18:44.04 | berto- | err, ftp = scp. |
| 18:44.06 | trygg | I think ill have to upload a package to a httphost or something |
| 18:44.19 | trygg | berto-: heh, nope. |
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| 18:44.34 | yff | higuys... |
| 18:44.50 | berto- | trygg: you must have an email address; send yourself an email with an attachment! you said the files were small. |
| 18:44.51 | yff | im in serios trouble... my system doesnt start all services after a reboot |
| 18:45.02 | yff | didnt start amavis and postfix... what do i do ? |
| 18:45.06 | trygg | berto-: true, that should work. :D |
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| 18:45.34 | yff | what would you suggest ? |
| 18:45.55 | yff | abrotman : got some wise word for me the newbie ? |
| 18:45.58 | yff | *G* |
| 18:46.04 | berto- | yff: are there init files for the services in /etc/init.d? |
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| 18:46.26 | trygg | Thanks berto-. :) |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | yff: don't hook your nipples to a car battery |
| 18:46.33 | yff | yes |
| 18:46.36 | yff | lol |
| 18:46.36 | berto- | yff: if so, check out the manpage for update-rc.d: man update-rc.d |
| 18:47.00 | berto- | trygg: np. |
| 18:47.04 | abrotman | yff: i just got here .. i'd need a bit more info |
| 18:47.23 | lindi- | thnee: http://iki.fi/lindi/debian-linuxdcpp/ btw has the linuxdcpp package i built for sarge |
| 18:48.00 | yff | abrotman : nothing more than amavis and postfix didnt start after a reboot |
| 18:48.06 | mhall | woohoo this rack server is gonna kick ass |
| 18:48.11 | abrotman | yff: so unbreak them |
| 18:48.17 | mhall | with all the insane drives i'm gonna have a 15k raid array |
| 18:48.29 | yff | berto- : that man page didnt help me |
| 18:48.44 | berto- | yff, haha, yeah manpages suck when you're new. : ) |
| 18:48.59 | yff | what have went wrong since they didnt start as expected ? |
| 18:49.26 | mhall | good god i love hard drives |
| 18:49.33 | mhall | they are the best thing since sliced bread |
| 18:49.41 | berto- | yff: go into /etc/init.d, then run this: update-rc.d <script name> defaults; that should install the script you give into the /etc/rc.* directories so that when you reboot the service starts up. |
| 18:50.16 | yff | so i do that with all scripts that didnt start ? |
| 18:50.25 | berto- | yff, yep. |
| 18:50.42 | yff | next question and thanks for last solution : |
| 18:51.05 | yff | can the log file give me some info on it ?? do i read in syslog ? |
| 18:51.05 | phorce1 | mhall: I still have to put my rack together for the house. Got a DEC enclosed rack and it's too deep for the rails I have. Gotta break out the air tools and modify the rails. |
| 18:51.05 | berto- | most likely if it's a fresh setup, all the services that start up are in /etc/rc2.d; any file in there that starts with an S will run on startup. |
| 18:51.19 | yff | it is not a fresh setup |
| 18:51.22 | berto- | yff: some info on what ? |
| 18:51.31 | yff | it had been running for about 1 year now |
| 18:51.45 | yff | why amavis and postfix didnt start ? |
| 18:52.00 | phorce1 | mhall: and build shelves with rails for the Ultra1 machines that have no rackmount-ability |
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| 18:52.16 | berto- | yff: this should help: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 18:53.15 | yff | thanks berto |
| 18:53.56 | phorce1 | yff: try starting amavis and postfix using the commands in /etc/init.d to see if they start or fail to start now that the system is up. Then check /etc/rc2.d to make sure there are still startup links for them in there. |
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| 18:54.40 | abrotman | !moo |
| 18:54.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 18:55.27 | robin_sz | OK, reminds me ... a nice GUI driven newsreader under Debian is ?? |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | pan |
| 18:55.49 | robin_sz | pan, yes .. thats what I had before |
| 18:55.53 | abrotman | thunderbird i think can do nntp |
| 18:55.59 | robin_sz | name escaped me :) |
| 18:56.12 | name | what? |
| 18:56.14 | name | o.0 |
| 18:56.31 | phorce1 | heh |
| 18:56.39 | name | ah damn highlight |
| 18:56.49 | Zweideutig | apt-get moo is nice ASCII art. ;) |
| 18:56.59 | Zweideutig | We need apt-get meow |
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| 18:57.35 | yff | phorce1 : they did start |
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| 18:58.45 | yff | phorce1 : and there ar estartuplinks in rc.d2 |
| 18:59.26 | berto- | bye, all. |
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| 18:59.48 | phorce1 | yff: should be something like S19amavis and S20postfix |
| 19:02.15 | yff | correct |
| 19:02.40 | phorce1 | yff: then try 'telinit 1' to switch to single user mode and kill everything followed by 'telinit 2' to restart just like a reboot and see if they work now. Or just reboot the machine and see if they come up this time. |
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| 19:04.09 | phorce1 | yff: something else may have created a race condition during reboot that caused them to not start up. May have been a one time glitch on a machine that hasn't been rebooted in a while. |
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| 19:05.13 | LinuxHelp | Before I buy it, how can I check whether the "Transcend 13-in-1 USB Card Reader" is compatible with the stock debian testing 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 19:05.40 | Kevin` | 13 in one.. sounds slightly inflated ;) |
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| 19:05.53 | LinuxHelp | Well its quite a big device.. |
| 19:06.07 | Kevin` | (5 different cards that are the same form/protocol, or such) |
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| 19:06.52 | Dabian | Kevin` : Is your surname "Mitnick" ? |
| 19:07.01 | Kevin` | no |
| 19:07.10 | Dabian | Ok .. had to ask. :) |
| 19:07.17 | Kevin` | hehe |
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| 19:07.38 | Dabian | I read about Kevin`Mitnick once (not zure abotu zpelling) |
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| 19:08.50 | LinuxHelp | where is nickserv today? |
| 19:09.07 | Dabian | LinuxHelp : Did you get the message the FIRST time?!?? |
| 19:09.20 | Dabian | (I guess not). |
| 19:09.25 | LinuxHelp | ? |
| 19:09.37 | Dabian | !alindeman:*! Hi all. I'm about to upgrade services to fix some bugs. I'm |
| 19:09.38 | Dabian | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.38 | Dabian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.44 | coccaa_ | are there any anope packages for debian out there ? |
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| 19:11.36 | multi_io | how can it be that I have a package (libx11.dev) marked as "install" in dselect, and dselect displays a newer version is available, and still, when I hit Enter, nothing is installed? |
| 19:11.54 | abrotman | apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 19:12.45 | nstary | i have deleted a file but when i do locate it still there in the list, but the file doesnt exists |
| 19:13.24 | Covener | nstary: locate uses a database generated once in a while by find |
| 19:13.40 | nstary | ah ok |
| 19:14.00 | beardy | updatedb, but that uses find, very likely |
| 19:14.15 | abrotman | it does |
| 19:14.17 | beardy | nstary: so run 'updatedb' if you want to update it now |
| 19:14.18 | nstary | so what I should do? |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | cry? |
| 19:14.39 | multi_io | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3353 |
| 19:14.43 | nstary | seriously |
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| 19:15.16 | beardy | nstary: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:15.51 | abrotman | multi_io: and your sources? |
| 19:16.10 | yff | phorce1 : ill try it thanks. |
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| 19:16.38 | yff | phorce1 : is it enought to restart amavis when made changes to it or do i also need to restart postfix ? |
| 19:16.50 | abrotman | multi_io: your sources are out of date |
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| 19:17.06 | Dabian | abrotman : You still have that intel gfx? |
| 19:17.22 | abrotman | 6yes |
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| 19:17.40 | Dabian | 7ok |
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| 19:17.47 | abrotman | 8why? |
| 19:17.52 | OsRo | hi! |
| 19:18.02 | Dabian | 9How runs Xgl and compiz? |
| 19:18.08 | cokeslut | investigating |
| 19:18.11 | OsRo | how to force dpkg reinstall a pack .deb? |
| 19:18.37 | abrotman | haven't tried |
| 19:18.40 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 19:18.46 | Dabian | OsRo : Strangle it with a piano-chord, and shout profoundly at it! If it doesn't work, use -f |
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| 19:19.01 | OsRo | thank you Dabian |
| 19:19.06 | Dabian | yw |
| 19:19.10 | OsRo | and for you abrotman |
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| 19:19.47 | phorce1 | yff: amavis only should be fine |
| 19:19.47 | Dabian | OsRo : if the latter doesn't work .. (I don't think so) .. use abrotmans wise suggestion ... "--force-depends-and-beyond" is just a man-page away! |
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| 19:21.30 | yff | phorce1 : is it in amavis.conf i tell the mailsystem who is localhost ? |
| 19:21.54 | multi_io | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3354 |
| 19:21.58 | yff | phorce1 : so that the system can remove all the fake 127.0.0.1 spammers ? |
| 19:22.07 | abrotman | wtf is tick ? |
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| 19:22.22 | Dabian | abrotman : Your language sure is dirty today! |
| 19:22.26 | OsRo | i use dpkg -force -remove-reinstreq |
| 19:22.27 | multi_io | the server where approx runs :) |
| 19:22.28 | abrotman | cry? |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | multi_io: it's out of date |
| 19:22.41 | Dabian | abrotman : I think "tick" is "pee" or rather a bad word for it. |
| 19:23.05 | Dabian | abrotman : Like you can "tick <someone> off" .. you can also "[pee] them off". |
| 19:23.16 | phorce1 | yff: been a year since I set our server up. I tend to "brain dump" info that I don't need daily. -- So, I have no idea. But, it's probably in your postfix config, not amavis. |
| 19:25.11 | yff | thanks :-) |
| 19:25.16 | multi_io | the security sources have moved somewhere else apparently, the other ones are ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian, ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US |
| 19:25.38 | multi_io | it finds those; apt-get update runs successfully |
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| 19:28.53 | robin_sz | are there really more than 35000 newsgroups? |
| 19:29.01 | twotwenty | how do i patch my kernel, let's say im using 2.6.16.14 and i want to install 2.6.16.17? |
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| 19:30.21 | Dabian | twotwenty : Your question makes idiots sound wise! Sorry .. but read /usr/src/linux/README or where you have the source code. |
| 19:30.23 | jcreigh | robin_sz: Probably. There's scads of 'em. |
| 19:30.52 | robin_sz | 78000 and counting |
| 19:30.53 | Dabian | twotwenty : something like: zcat yourpatch.gz | patch -p1 |
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| 19:31.25 | twotwenty | i see |
| 19:31.28 | Dabian | twotwenty : Don't let me intimidate you .. I'm wierd today! |
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| 19:31.44 | Dabian | twotwenty : I don't mean to be rude. |
| 19:32.06 | mhall | jesus something's totally screwed on the install on my server |
| 19:32.38 | mhall | ssh's server won't install because it can't run useradd right, and i tried to fix the syntax error and run it myself but i can't even get the command to run |
| 19:32.48 | mhall | it's as if whatever reads the group file is broken |
| 19:32.52 | mhall | i don't fucking get it |
| 19:34.11 | Dabian | mhall : Then how do you get it? |
| 19:34.19 | cydork | mhall, sid?? |
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| 19:35.13 | mhall | cydork: yes |
| 19:35.19 | mhall | Dabian: i don |
| 19:35.26 | mhall | Dabian: i mean i don't comprehend it |
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| 19:37.06 | Dabian | mhall : Ok |
| 19:37.24 | sussudio | %sidsmite mhall |
| 19:37.56 | twotwenty | how do you uncompress .bz2 |
| 19:37.57 | X-Hacker` | you tell me ;) |
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| 19:38.22 | sussudio | twotwenty: why don't you ask in #ubuntu. |
| 19:38.30 | multi_io | bunzip2 |
| 19:39.07 | multi_io | or bzcat instead of zcat |
| 19:39.10 | twotwenty | i don't use ubuntu |
| 19:39.16 | mhall | sussudio: i won't be asking if it weren't for that a different install yesterday worked |
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| 19:40.46 | pinky | So the reason testing's libvisual package isn't being updated is because those 17 other packages would be broken if it were? |
| 19:40.47 | pinky | How does something like this get solved? |
| 19:40.50 | pinky | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libvisual |
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| 19:42.06 | mhall | How do I get UDEV to expose the RAID md devices so I can create one? |
| 19:42.49 | twotwenty | ok |
| 19:42.52 | twotwenty | that worked |
| 19:42.58 | twotwenty | im trying to patch my kernel |
| 19:43.12 | twotwenty | from 2.6.16.14 to 2.6.16.17 |
| 19:43.46 | elive | Wth, it doesnt work to fdisk or cfdisk-format my disk, it still is a windowspartition and i cant write to it_ |
| 19:44.00 | multi_io | twotwenty: do you install the kernel from debian packages? |
| 19:44.24 | twotwenty | multi_io: no, i compiled 2.6.16.14 myself |
| 19:45.18 | multi_io | from a debian kernel source package? |
| 19:45.39 | twotwenty | kernel.org |
| 19:45.39 | multi_io | or did you download the kernel source from kernel.org? |
| 19:45.42 | multi_io | ok |
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| 19:46.18 | twotwenty | i just downloaded and uncompressed patch-2.6.17.7 |
| 19:46.29 | twotwenty | i wanna know how to patch it so i don't have to recompile |
| 19:46.48 | multi_io | you will have to recompile |
| 19:46.59 | multi_io | it's a patch to the source code :) |
| 19:47.01 | twotwenty | multi_io: then what's the point of patching? |
| 19:47.24 | multi_io | not having to download the whole new kernel |
| 19:47.28 | multi_io | i.e. less to download |
| 19:47.41 | twotwenty | that's it? |
| 19:48.00 | beardy | twotwenty: It's a patch to the sourcetree. But if you are using the debian kerneltree, patching it with kernel.org patches may be less wise. |
| 19:48.01 | multi_io | yes |
| 19:48.27 | multi_io | unless the patch isn'T a patch that upgrades to a newer kernel version |
| 19:48.31 | twotwenty | well, is there a point of upgrading from 2.6.16.14 to 2.6.16.17? |
| 19:48.48 | twotwenty | my friend said something about security flaws, etc |
| 19:48.53 | multi_io | read the changelog to find that out |
| 19:49.05 | twotwenty | what kernel you using? |
| 19:49.22 | elive | Heh, i hate to be a nagging sob, but how exactly do i format my disc totally clean_ |
| 19:49.33 | streuner | twotwenty: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 19:49.48 | twotwenty | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 19:49.50 | multi_io | elive: shred /dev/hdxy |
| 19:50.10 | multi_io | twotwenty: 2.6.14 |
| 19:50.15 | elive | multi_io: great. |
| 19:50.19 | streuner | twotwenty: should be fine then |
| 19:50.34 | twotwenty | streuner: how do you know? |
| 19:50.59 | streuner | twotwenty: well, what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 19:51.12 | twotwenty | Linux version 2.6.16.14 (root@haterproof) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 PREEMPT Sun May 7 00:16:21 EDT 2006 |
| 19:51.12 | multi_io | if you don't have untrusted local users on your machine, most security flaws are irrelevant for you |
| 19:51.29 | twotwenty | i don't have any users but me |
| 19:51.35 | streuner | oh, custom kernel, that change the situation total :-) |
| 19:51.39 | multi_io | so you should be fine |
| 19:52.15 | twotwenty | i see |
| 19:52.44 | multi_io | ...until the next remote root exploit is discovered in the kernel :) |
| 19:52.56 | streuner | if you running an custom kernel you have to take care by yourself... |
| 19:54.03 | streuner | patches goes into kernel at some times daily... |
| 19:54.16 | abrotman | hourly? |
| 19:54.22 | streuner | or that :-) |
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| 19:55.17 | twotwenty | well, i 'apt-get update' & 'apt-get upgrade' like everyday, will that help? |
| 19:55.24 | streuner | no |
| 19:55.47 | twotwenty | those only updates debian apps aint it |
| 19:55.49 | streuner | the kernel is only effected if you have an official kernel installed |
| 19:55.54 | minerale | is it possible to run vncserver (Xvnc) as a user? Or must It be suid ? |
| 19:56.34 | streuner | twotwenty: install an bpo kernel |
| 19:56.58 | twotwenty | and that is? |
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| 19:57.11 | twotwenty | i don't really mess with my kernel that much |
| 19:57.16 | twotwenty | so i don't know anything about it |
| 19:57.24 | streuner | backports.org, usually DD's take care about important changes then... |
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| 19:57.54 | streuner | ..less headaches |
| 19:57.57 | twotwenty | and yeah, im using using xfree86 |
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| 19:58.12 | twotwenty | < running sarge |
| 19:59.32 | streuner | !bpo |
| 19:59.32 | dpkg | it has been said that backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/instructions.html on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 19:59.35 | phorce1 | where's the info about how much space I'd need to run a local debian sare binary-only mirror? |
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| 20:00.08 | phorce1 | s/sare/sarge |
| 20:00.16 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 20:00.16 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:01.02 | twotwenty | streuner: that backport thing is scary |
| 20:01.34 | cydork | twotwenty, than your custom kernel ?? i wont think so :P |
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| 20:03.45 | phorce1 | abrotman: thx. Apt-spy may be the way to go. Need to fiddle with it andd see if I can get it on a removeable drive until I can figure out which server has room for it all permanently. |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | not likely |
| 20:04.27 | abrotman | i mean .. it's probably not what you're looking for |
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| 20:06.10 | phorce1 | abrotman: it would get the files into the proper tree format, right? I'd just need to figure out where to put them and point sources.list to the proper place? I'm grabbing it now so I can read through the docs |
| 20:06.27 | abrotman | apt-proxy |
| 20:06.35 | cydork | phorce1, apt-mirror?? |
| 20:06.48 | phorce1 | Oh -- apt-spy is the speed checker |
| 20:06.56 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:11.59 | phorce1 | bleh -- I may do better just to grab a full CD set. I don't re-install that often but when I do 'reset' a machine I tend to do the install 3 or 4 times while fiddling with disk layouts and such. Gone to debian.org to see if anyone is offering a full sarge set on bittorrent. |
| 20:12.42 | abrotman | they have bt thingies there |
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| 20:16.22 | phorce1 | abrotman: found them - WOW! 16 CDs now. I remember downloading full slink CD sets -- all 2 of them I think. |
| 20:17.09 | abrotman | `4 |
| 20:17.11 | abrotman | 15 |
| 20:17.12 | abrotman | 14 |
| 20:17.34 | phorce1 | abrotman: 2 "updates" cds |
| 20:17.55 | phorce1 | or have those been rolled into the 14? |
| 20:18.17 | beardy | what are you talking about? |
| 20:19.09 | abrotman | rolled in if they are 3.1r2 |
| 20:20.02 | Vasistha | what's the easiest way to convert text files from dos to unix format, on the command line? |
| 20:20.18 | abrotman | dos2unix |
| 20:21.15 | Vasistha | I suspected as much, now I just need to find the package... |
| 20:21.20 | beardy | or the other ones |
| 20:21.49 | abrotman | dostools ? |
| 20:21.51 | phorce1 | abrotman: OK, 14 |
| 20:21.59 | beardy | !dos2unix |
| 20:22.00 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
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| 20:22.34 | beardy | !tofrodos |
| 20:22.35 | abrotman | i was close! |
| 20:22.46 | beardy | hmm, thought I made one like that.. |
| 20:23.46 | beardy | ah |
| 20:23.50 | beardy | !+info tofrodos |
| 20:23.57 | dpkg | tofrodos: (Converts DOS <-> Unix text files, alias tofromdos), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.7.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 20:26.50 | beardy | dpkg: dos2unix =~ s/fromdos/fromdos, in the package tofrodos/ |
| 20:26.50 | dpkg | beardy: OK |
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| 20:28.27 | beardy | dpkg: dos2unix =~ s/fromdos, in the package tofrodos/fromdos (in the package tofrodos)/ |
| 20:28.27 | dpkg | beardy: OK |
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| 20:31.23 | beardy | dpkg: tofrodos is <reply> tofrodos is the package that contains fromdos and todos, tools to convert textfiles between DOS and Unix. Also ask me about "dos2unix" |
| 20:31.23 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
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| 20:31.46 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 20:32.56 | wuffi600 | is there a project currently working on bittorrent-features for apt-get? |
| 20:33.11 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | why would you want that? |
| 20:33.45 | Kevin` | there's enough mirrors, and the files are rather small.. how would that help |
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| 20:34.12 | wuffi600 | abrotman: to reduce ftp- and http- server traffic |
| 20:34.20 | abrotman | wuffi600: reduce it for who? |
| 20:34.29 | Kevin` | ya, cifs is slow :/ |
| 20:34.33 | Kevin` | dunno why, just is |
| 20:34.53 | mrrcparish | anyone here use postfix? |
| 20:34.58 | gravity | I do |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | try #postfix |
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| 20:35.07 | wuffi600 | abrotman: traffic = costs, e.g. for mirrors at universities |
| 20:35.08 | gravity | Although I'm no expert |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | gravity: you don't even have an email account |
| 20:35.18 | gravity | feh |
| 20:35.22 | abrotman | wuffi600: sure .. but they're willing to host a mirror .. |
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| 20:35.25 | mrrcparish | lol |
| 20:35.25 | gravity | mrrcparish: keep it in #debian please |
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| 20:35.43 | sanmarcos | anybody have experiences using DNS caches? |
| 20:35.52 | mrrcparish | what do i need to uncomment to allow non local users to send out with a pop3 client like outlook |
| 20:35.52 | mrrcparish | ? |
| 20:36.07 | abrotman | probably mynetworks |
| 20:36.21 | gravity | I don't know what your setup is. |
| 20:36.29 | sanmarcos | try #postfix |
| 20:36.30 | gravity | And pop3 is pulldown. Sending is SMTP |
| 20:36.40 | abrotman | he wants to relay mail for non-localhost people |
| 20:36.42 | mrrcparish | mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/8 |
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| 20:36.49 | mrrcparish | should i change |
| 20:36.50 | abrotman | however .. allowing anyone to relay is bad |
| 20:36.54 | gravity | Right |
| 20:37.02 | sanmarcos | mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 192.0.0.0/8 |
| 20:37.07 | phorce1 | wuffi600: too dependent on "the kindness of strangers" to keep seeding. That's a LOT of .torrent files too. |
| 20:37.10 | mrrcparish | to my ip? |
| 20:37.11 | sanmarcos | what is that style called, CIDR? |
| 20:37.13 | sanmarcos | never understood it |
| 20:37.19 | gravity | Yeah... you should ask in #postfix. And read the postfix docs. They're quite good, and the configuration files are all nicely commented. The manpages are good too. |
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| 20:37.26 | wuffi600 | abrotman: image there is a debian-site with about 30 boxes. If one of them has installed a package via apt it could be distributed to the other 29 Boxes. |
| 20:37.27 | mrrcparish | ive read |
| 20:37.32 | gravity | I don't know the answer to your question I'm afraid |
| 20:37.32 | Smerdyakov | Does Bind 9 need to be restarted or otherwise poked when configuration has changed? |
| 20:37.36 | sanmarcos | an open relay is really bad |
| 20:37.36 | abrotman | wuffi600: try apt-proxy |
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| 20:37.43 | sanmarcos | use AUTH (sasl) |
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| 20:38.12 | mrrcparish | k |
| 20:38.21 | phorce1 | mrrcparish: you need to set up SMTP Auth. And you don't "send" with POP3 BTW. |
| 20:38.53 | mrrcparish | yes i know |
| 20:39.13 | wuffi600 | abrotman: apt-proxy sounds good, thanx for the hint. |
| 20:39.13 | taylor | !kde |
| 20:39.14 | dpkg | i guess kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 20:39.55 | phorce1 | wuffi600: the hint was handy for him -- he just had this discussion with me 10 minutes ago. <grin> |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | taylor: /msg dpkg kde |
| 20:40.47 | mrrcparish | phorce1, where do i set the SMTP Auth |
| 20:41.31 | sanmarcos | mrrcparish, google, there are thousands of howtos |
| 20:41.50 | wuffi600 | phorce1: i jumped in 10 Mins too late.. :) |
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| 20:42.01 | abrotman | phorce1: i did ? |
| 20:43.19 | phorce1 | abrotman: you've been in here too long. My question was about running a mirror though. |
| 20:43.25 | abrotman | phorce1: ah ok |
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| 20:43.30 | abrotman | the 14 cds :) |
| 20:44.20 | phorce1 | abrotman: yep -- bittorrent for the CD's is cool though. They are pulling through my RoadRunner cable back home at 500K/sec. 20 minutes per CD roughly. |
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| 20:44.48 | abrotman | so slow ... jeez |
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| 20:45.29 | phorce1 | It's the max on my cable setup. Hell, I'm stuck on a T1 here at work and I have to throttle my machine to keep from killing the T |
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| 20:46.23 | abrotman | you share with the users? |
| 20:46.31 | sanmarcos | abrotman, postfix is the bomb |
| 20:46.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:47.00 | sanmarcos | it is so easy to configure and use. As well as Dovecot, another bomb |
| 20:47.04 | mrrcparish | hrm |
| 20:47.18 | abrotman | if only dovecot had shared folders |
| 20:47.18 | phorce1 | abrotman: yeah -- but the only user hits are to the web server (minimum hits), mail server (a little more active), and radius auth server. We are a dial-up ISP. |
| 20:47.25 | abrotman | or rather .. the version in sarge did |
| 20:47.45 | sanmarcos | abrotman, http://wiki.dovecot.org/SharedFolders |
| 20:48.03 | abrotman | sanmarcos: in sarge |
| 20:48.08 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i'm well aware it does now |
| 20:48.10 | i3dmaster | got a problem on fbsplash.. |
| 20:48.15 | abrotman | though .. not the way i need them i guesss |
| 20:48.33 | sanmarcos | abrotman, you can always backport if you really need them |
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| 20:48.57 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i know .. cyrus got me going .. not quite what i wanted .. but oh well |
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| 20:49.00 | i3dmaster | kernel message says there is no /dev/tty1 for CONSOLE param.. what is wrong/ |
| 20:49.19 | i3dmaster | http://axpr.net/?show=644 |
| 20:49.21 | sanmarcos | abrotman, dovecot 0.99 can implement it by creating a "shared userid" which all of the users log in to read mail. |
| 20:49.37 | abrotman | don't like that :) |
| 20:49.57 | sanmarcos | neither do I, anyways I dont even know what shared folders are. I don't use maildir anyways |
| 20:50.05 | abrotman | you sohuld |
| 20:50.12 | abrotman | maildir is far better than mbox |
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| 20:51.05 | sanmarcos | I don't handle so many emails, but I guess maildir is a better concept |
| 20:51.25 | abrotman | wait til the day you have to delete one email out of the middle of a 1,000 msg Inbox |
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| 20:51.46 | Janne_Doe | hi |
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| 20:53.00 | phorce1 | maildir plus squirrelmail for web, pine for console, and Mahogany for GUI (Win and *nix ports) |
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| 20:53.53 | sanmarcos | can Vim automatically open gunzipped text files? |
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| 20:54.34 | abrotman | zcat file | vim |
| 20:54.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:54.41 | dabreegster | sanmarcos: If they're gunzipped, they're not compressed, so yeah. And if they're gzipped, I think it does uncompress automatically |
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| 20:55.02 | sanmarcos | heh, thanks |
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| 20:59.10 | multi_io | how can it be that I have a package (libx11.dev) marked as "install" in dselect, and dselect displays a newer version is available, and still, when I hit Enter, nothing is installed? |
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| 20:59.28 | Vitux | hmm |
| 20:59.42 | taylor | An online java application intermittantly hangs with the latest run time environment from Sun (version 5, update 6), gnome and either Firefox, Mozilla or epiphany (gnome's browser) from unstable. Unless someone here happens to have a better suggestion, I'll try to duplicate the bug with kde and konqueror. If it still happens, then I'll try installing another version of java. |
| 20:59.43 | sanmarcos | multi_io, check your /etc/apt/preferences for pinning |
| 20:59.44 | Vitux | I can't seem to get the nvidia-kernel-common package |
| 20:59.49 | schlumbergera | hi. chroot'ed to a new debootstrap install, but there no /dev/hdaX is visible :( |
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| 21:00.02 | sanmarcos | multi_io, I tend to use aptitude, and that seemed to be the problem, pinning with security updates or other branches |
| 21:00.10 | cydork | Vitux, etch?? |
| 21:00.19 | Vitux | etch? |
| 21:00.21 | infernix | schlumbergera: outside the chroot: mount --bind /dev /chrootlocation/dev |
| 21:00.35 | cydork | Vitux, which version of debian are you using? |
| 21:00.39 | Vitux | ah |
| 21:00.40 | me_here | where can i get libdvdcss ? |
| 21:00.41 | Vitux | 3.1 |
| 21:00.51 | sanmarcos | me_here, videolan.org |
| 21:00.53 | beardy | me_here: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:00.53 | Vitux | installed yesterday... |
| 21:01.10 | me_here | sanmarcos: beardy: thx |
| 21:01.13 | Vitux | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 21:02.16 | sanmarcos | abrotman, I am confused. Mail gets to my machine thanks to postfix (mta), but postfix stores it in /var/mail/username (mbox), is it supposed to be that way?, or can it be changed to maildir? |
| 21:02.35 | dvs | Vitux: get the 2.6 kernel! |
| 21:03.01 | cydork | !tell Vitux about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:03.32 | multi_io | sanmarcos: I don't have /etc/apt/preferences |
| 21:03.45 | sanmarcos | multi_io, msg me apt-cache policy packagename |
| 21:03.46 | Vitux | thanks |
| 21:03.47 | multi_io | ..and aptitude crashes too often |
| 21:04.05 | me_here | which one is the testing branch of debian ? etch ? or sarge ? |
| 21:04.13 | infernix | eth |
| 21:04.15 | infernix | *etch |
| 21:04.16 | dvs | me_here: etch |
| 21:04.19 | schlumbergera | infernix, this did not help |
| 21:04.42 | Vitux | so am I using etch then.. sorry for the stupid question |
| 21:04.46 | me_here | dvs: thank you |
| 21:04.54 | dvs | you're welcome |
| 21:05.08 | dvs | Vitux: but 3.1 is sarge |
| 21:05.23 | Vitux | ah k... |
| 21:05.33 | dvs | Vitux: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:05.57 | Vitux | 3.1 |
| 21:06.08 | dvs | Vitux: then it's sarge (stable) |
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| 21:06.31 | Vitux | thanks |
| 21:06.51 | Vitux | should I put it to 2.6 before i bother with nvidia... |
| 21:06.58 | dvs | Vitux: I would have |
| 21:08.03 | infernix | schlumber: it really should. if you have /dev/hdaX outside the chroot, and you mount --bind /dev /chrootlocation/dev, these directories are essentially the same. |
| 21:08.03 | Vitux | why is there only 2.6.8 in aptitude though? |
| 21:08.04 | dvs | Vitux: that's the latest in sarge |
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| 21:08.44 | Vitux | isn't it up to 16 now? |
| 21:09.01 | dvs | Vitux: 17 but sarge was released over a year ago |
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| 21:09.20 | Vitux | so only way Im going past 8 is either to go to etch or build it manually :| |
| 21:09.27 | dvs | Vitux: yes |
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| 21:09.41 | Vitux | dang wish I woulda known before installing last night |
| 21:09.48 | Vitux | ah well.. gotta read the fine print :) |
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| 21:10.04 | dvs | Vitux: why do you need 2.6.17 anyways? |
| 21:10.28 | Vitux | I dont |
| 21:10.43 | Vitux | I'll stick with 2.6.8 for now don't care that much |
| 21:10.51 | dvs | Vitux: unless there's something that doesn't work, I wouldn't worry aboutit. |
| 21:10.52 | mohuhau | my /var partiton crashed, how can i get my system up and running again? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-rescue-var links to a var.tar.gz which i cant find at that location. :( |
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| 21:11.20 | Vitux | hell my server is still running 2.4.26 |
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| 21:14.47 | karma | how do I add a hd partition to fstab so I can read/write to it with another user other than root? |
| 21:14.56 | me_here | upon updating aptitude with marillat repository i get failures with gpg-signatures not available, is that normal ? |
| 21:15.11 | dvs | !marillat key |
| 21:15.11 | dpkg | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 21:15.19 | karma | yes that's normal |
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| 21:18.38 | infernix | mohuhau: if your /var partition is gone and there's no backup it will be really hard to get things working again. reinstall and migration is what I would do |
| 21:19.42 | infernix | !tell karma about ntfs |
| 21:20.10 | karma | infernix: it's not an ntfs partition, it's an ext3 partition located at /dev/hda2 |
| 21:20.37 | infernix | it doesnt apply to filesystems which are aware of unix uid and gid. simply change ownership of the files and directories in that case. |
| 21:20.42 | karma | (fwiw, my bootable partition is /dev/sda1) |
| 21:21.09 | infernix | so chown user.user /some/path/ |
| 21:21.32 | karma | infernix: but what about having it auto mount at boot? does fstab control that? |
| 21:21.43 | infernix | yes. add it as any other ext3 filesystem |
| 21:22.01 | karma | so should I just manually edit that file? or is there another way? |
| 21:22.12 | infernix | yes. use nano, vi, emacs, whichever |
| 21:22.17 | karma | ok thanks |
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| 21:27.12 | mohuhau | infernix, ok... crap :( |
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| 21:32.20 | JordiGH | If I have an html_public directory in a LAMP server, how can I password protect a particular directory? |
| 21:32.28 | Vituz | hmm |
| 21:32.35 | JordiGH | Within my own html_public directory, of course. |
| 21:32.38 | Vituz | I'm getting a bunch errors with that nvidia one liner |
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| 21:33.49 | JordiGH | Aha, create an .htaccess file. |
| 21:33.59 | sanmarcos | how does the notification "you have mail in $" work ? does it work wihth only /var/mail ? |
| 21:37.03 | abrotman | i bleieve so |
| 21:37.32 | dvs | abrotman: stoned? is that you? you're spelling has been off |
| 21:37.41 | abrotman | your spelling? |
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| 21:37.50 | stoned | huh? |
| 21:38.01 | stoned | dude |
| 21:38.05 | stoned | you're being weird |
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| 21:38.12 | a1fa|64 | ~nforce3 |
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| 21:39.32 | a1fa|64 | ~dma |
| 21:39.33 | apt | rumour has it, dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. |
| 21:39.34 | Vituz | urgh I need a mirror thats non-free |
| 21:39.57 | a1fa|64 | anyone else have nforce3 and having problem enabling dma? |
| 21:40.37 | JordiGH | Vituz: I thought most (all?) mirrors had the non-free section. |
| 21:40.52 | Vituz | didn't know :) |
| 21:40.53 | Vituz | thanks |
| 21:42.55 | hjubal | bye |
| 21:43.21 | a1fa|64 | ~ide-generic |
| 21:43.31 | a1fa|64 | hey is ide-generic needed if you have a chipset specific module? |
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| 21:43.41 | mezoko | Hi |
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| 21:43.53 | mezoko | How can I select which services start on startup |
| 21:44.10 | dvs | mezoko: man update-rc.d |
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| 21:45.24 | mezoko | dvs, huh that man page saysit got something to do with mysql |
| 21:45.56 | dvs | mezoko: Mine doesn't mention mysql |
| 21:46.14 | mezoko | is there a TUI tool? |
| 21:46.33 | JordiGH | So, Alice wants to send to Bob a password so that Bob can view Alice's password-protected site. What should Alice do, if she's a Debian user? :-) |
| 21:46.38 | dvs | mezoko: not that I know of |
| 21:47.01 | mezoko | dvs, oh I can swear I used one before |
| 21:47.11 | dvs | mezoko: maybe in Red Hat |
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| 21:47.24 | mezoko | nah I'm almost postive it was in debian |
| 21:48.20 | JordiGH | mezoko: GNOME and KDE both have front-ends for modifying the init scripts. |
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| 21:48.31 | abrotman | update-rc.d and rcconf |
| 21:49.37 | mezoko | I found it, its sysvconfig |
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| 21:49.47 | mezoko | abrotman, I'll loko at those |
| 21:50.20 | abrotman | i'm sure there's a tool for tgnome or kde |
| 21:50.33 | JordiGH | ksysvconfig (I'm not kidding) :-) |
| 21:50.46 | JordiGH | Er, ksysv |
| 21:51.00 | karma | Hi, my primary HDD is /dev/sda (where I have Debian installed to), and I added an ATA drive recently that I formatted ext3, but when I boot up it now takes forever and I get lots of "hda: lost interrupt" errors |
| 21:51.12 | karma | It also says DMA is disbakled on the hda drive for whatever reason |
| 21:51.28 | JordiGH | diskabled. That's a good word. :-) |
| 21:51.43 | karma | I'm trying to copy over a bunch of files to it now and performance is pretty unpredictable... spikes up and down. |
| 21:51.59 | karma | Also, when I copy files to it I experience a huge slowdown on the rest of my machine |
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| 21:52.27 | karma | (I think this has to do with DMA being disabled) |
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| 21:54.45 | mezoko | HOw can I search or list installed packages? |
| 21:54.58 | dvs | mezoko: dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:55.00 | phorce1 | karma: it probably has more to do with SATA and PATA not playing nice together on a lot of motherboards. Whatever GigaByte motherboard I have in my main WindowsXP machine is like that except its the SATA drives that drag up and get slow for no reason. |
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| 21:55.25 | dogmeat | mezoko: dpkg -l |
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| 21:55.32 | mezoko | dogmeat, thanks |
| 21:55.38 | dogmeat | mezoko: dpkg -S <file> |
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| 21:56.23 | fork | Does debian have a graphical installer? |
| 21:56.36 | abrotman | kind of |
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| 21:56.39 | nstary | howto make a domain in linux? Under /etc/sysconfig/network/profiles/default/resolv.conf? |
| 21:56.49 | phorce1 | karma: it's especially bad if a USB device is also in use. I suspect interrupts are being shared and colliding all over the place. On my system it is faster to copy a big file from SATA to PATA then copy it from PATA to a USB drive than to copy directly from SATA to the USB drive. |
| 21:56.51 | karma | phorcel: I have a ASUS A8N-E... you really think that;s it? |
| 21:57.27 | JordiGH | fork: The only Debian installer is dialogue-driven. Any particular reason why you want a graphical installer? |
| 21:57.59 | JordiGH | fork: You can request the installer to not ask you scary questions, if that's the sort of thing that's worrying you. |
| 21:58.23 | karma | phorcel: The only usb device I have no is a mouse. |
| 21:58.47 | fork | JordiGH, is Progeny an offial installer for debian? |
| 21:58.54 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 21:58.58 | JordiGH | !info progeny |
| 21:59.03 | dvs | fork: no |
| 21:59.08 | phorce1 | karma: nForce chipset? that's what's on my GigaByte MB. I have another here with a Via chipset that I'm going to test later (but it's also an upgrade from SocketA to Socket 754 so the chipset test may be moot) |
| 21:59.22 | JordiGH | !wtf progeny |
| 21:59.24 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 21:59.30 | dvs | !progeny |
| 21:59.31 | dpkg | well, progeny is Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution company specializing in custom packaging. http://www.progeny.com/, or see progeny installer, or http://componentizedlinux.org/progeny/ |
| 21:59.33 | fork | Well I googled around to see if debian has a graphical installer... and got lots of reutrns on progeny... and it looks pretty nice |
| 21:59.55 | lontra | fork: why do you need a GUI installer if i may ask? |
| 22:00.05 | lontra | fork: the debian installer is very easy |
| 22:00.10 | JordiGH | Hmm..? progeny dot *com*? Hmmm... |
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| 22:00.25 | fork | lontra, Seems simpler, more plesant to see color and mouse pointer |
| 22:00.34 | beardy | No. |
| 22:00.39 | lontra | fork: it's the end product that matters |
| 22:00.43 | JordiGH | Oh, Ian Murdock has something to do with it. Can't be all that bad, then. :P |
| 22:00.56 | dvs | JordiGH: Traitor! ;-) |
| 22:01.10 | fork | ... I am a noob to linux, thinking of migrating to linux ( debian) from winxp |
| 22:01.11 | abrotman | no ... i'ts not that |
| 22:01.21 | karma | phorcel: Yes, nForce 4 chipset with Socket 939... do you think if I unplguged the SATA drive and tried, I don't know, installing an OS onto the PATA one it wouldn't give me those errors? |
| 22:01.25 | abrotman | jeez .. misinformation day ... /me thinks dvs is bush in a mask |
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| 22:01.53 | lontra | fork: : well the debian installer is very easy to use, if you 'need' a nice GUI installer you'll have to settle for ubuntu |
| 22:01.54 | beardy | fork: having a mouse pointer to move around does not make a difference |
| 22:02.02 | dvs | abrotman: I am not a crook! |
| 22:02.07 | lontra | beardy: it does if you're bored |
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| 22:02.19 | beardy | lontra: You wont be. |
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| 22:02.31 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUI |
| 22:02.33 | fork | lontra I hear debian is better then ubuntu |
| 22:02.36 | JordiGH | fork: Ubuntu has a graphical installer and is a derivative of Debian. Reputedly more user-friendly. I personally got introduced to GNU/Linux through Debian myself, thinking it was a newbie distro. Ignorance is bliss, because I had to work hard to get Debian working exactly as I want it. :P |
| 22:02.40 | lontra | fork: it's true |
| 22:02.45 | fbred | where can I obtain the kernel-configfile from the netboot.tar.gz-package? |
| 22:02.56 | lontra | debian > ubuntu |
| 22:03.04 | phorce1 | karma: It's worth trying to see if that's the problem. I've only tested by moving big data between devices using different methods and it seems the SATA interrupts cause problems elsewhere. No time to take machines apart right now. |
| 22:03.33 | fork | lol |
| 22:04.02 | beardy | People usually kicks in ass-height, not head. |
| 22:04.09 | JordiGH | I recommend Ubuntu too, but prefer Debian for very specific reasons. Mostly because I need cutting-edge maths software which lags behind in Ubuntu or sometimes is missing altogether. |
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| 22:04.35 | lontra | how do you open a .chm file? |
| 22:04.42 | lontra | wtf is a .chm file? |
| 22:04.56 | ichthyo | windows help..? |
| 22:05.03 | nstary | howto make a domain in linux? Under /etc/sysconfig/network/profiles/default/resolv.conf? |
| 22:05.07 | nstary | local domain I mean |
| 22:05.14 | fork | Is there a difference between ubuntu and debian besides the installer? |
| 22:05.25 | beardy | lontra: cat or less, 'file uglything.something' |
| 22:05.51 | beardy | fork: If there weren't, it would be stupid for them both to exist. |
| 22:06.21 | karma | How do I boot with acpi=off? |
| 22:06.39 | nstary | I want to config my DNS |
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| 22:06.51 | karma | lontra: there are a couple programs that you can use to read CHM files, one of them being xchm. |
| 22:07.00 | fork | beardy would you mind to enlighten me of the difference? |
| 22:07.10 | JordiGH | fork: The philosophies are similar. Both are committed to freedom of the software and both are apt-based distros, which is the real reason to use either. Ubuntu has a huge community, and Debian does too, but slightly smaller nowadays. Ubuntu promises to give you support for a subset of the Debian distro, since Debian is the largest binary-based distro out there (Gentoo is bigger, but you often have to compile) |
| 22:07.15 | karma | lontra: Another is called gnochm |
| 22:07.17 | beardy | karma: as you said? Either put it on the line with things to append to the kenrel on boot in your bootloaders configuration, or you append it when you boot yourself. |
| 22:07.58 | JordiGH | fork: Ubuntu focusses development on approximately 1/15th of the Debian distro. They take a chunk out of Debian, work hard on it, and make sure it works well. They offer the rest of Debian with a caveat emptor. |
| 22:08.16 | beardy | fork: The quality of support and users also differs, they say. |
| 22:08.24 | beardy | fork: To Debian's advantage. |
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| 22:09.00 | fork | heh |
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| 22:09.11 | dvs | and we know what we're doing |
| 22:10.50 | lontra | well it sounds like the daily builds of etch now come with an option for a GUI installer |
| 22:11.11 | JordiGH | lontra: Really? Did we snatch it from Ubuntu? :P |
| 22:11.21 | lontra | no idea |
| 22:11.28 | lontra | look at the link that abrotman posted |
| 22:11.32 | fork | does ubuntu have also 3 types of packages, stable testing and unstable? |
| 22:11.44 | lurker99 | fork: play with them. there's no reason not to load both and dual boot for a while. see what you like. and play with the apt installation tools. |
| 22:11.46 | beardy | fork: Debian is also Debian, all others are "based on Debian", (that are based on Debian). |
| 22:11.49 | lontra | you can invoke it by running installgui |
| 22:11.58 | lontra | i'm sure it's not the same GUI as dapper |
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| 22:12.19 | JordiGH | fork: No, their separation differs. There's the main branch, that 1/15th part of Debian that's well maintained, and they offer the rest of Debian as a snapshot in their Universe section. They also have non-free packages in separate sections, like Debian does. |
| 22:12.21 | lontra | fork: stable and development not 3 |
| 22:12.28 | beardy | fork: Ask #ubuntu, I don't know, but since they grab Debian's unstable, and then does their thing, I'm not sure how many steps and so on they have. |
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| 22:13.48 | JordiGH | fork: The biggest complaint about Debian and part of the reason why Ubuntu was founded is that Debian takes long to release stable versions of the distro (though I think Debian is about to set a record if it really meets its December goal of releasing a new stable version) |
| 22:13.59 | lurker99 | ubuntu aims for a 6-month release schedule. though it's been closer to 8. ;-) |
| 22:14.02 | sanmarcos | fork, no, they usually have their base release, and a development one |
| 22:14.12 | sanmarcos | fork, i.e dapper and edgy right now |
| 22:14.35 | crafton | i would use gentoo for a serious servers, because optimization, no? |
| 22:14.37 | sanmarcos | fork, ubuntu in my opinion has a very nice release schedule, they manage to create a balance debian lacks |
| 22:14.37 | beardy | Debian stable is stable. Something grabbed from unstable, and released after a while, can't be. |
| 22:14.48 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite crafton |
| 22:14.56 | sanmarcos | crafton, right, everytime tehre is a security fix you spend 5 hours compliing and putting down the whole server's performance |
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| 22:15.30 | lontra | phorce1: why are you d/l all 14? |
| 22:15.40 | lontra | phorce1: do you not have internet access? |
| 22:15.44 | dvs | phorce1: don't you have a fast internet connection? |
| 22:15.44 | JordiGH | phorcel: Bandwidth hog. :P |
| 22:15.52 | fork | hmm |
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| 22:16.23 | fork | ok, what are the advanteges of debian over ubuntu and vise versa? |
| 22:16.29 | phorce1 | lontra: because when I "reset" a machine I tend to re-install 3 or 4 times while I play with drive partitions and such. Cheaper on bandwidth to have it all here on CD |
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| 22:16.36 | beardy | fork: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:16.38 | dvs | fork: and you want an unbiased opinion here? |
| 22:16.39 | lontra | phorce1: i see |
| 22:16.46 | beardy | fork: For ubuntu propaganda, ask #ubuntu. |
| 22:16.51 | JordiGH | fork: Debian is huge. It's a rare occasion that a piece of free software isn't a Debian package. |
| 22:17.00 | lontra | fork: try google.com |
| 22:17.07 | phorce1 | dvs: grabbing the CD's at about 20 minuts each (500kB/sec down using bittorrent) |
| 22:17.27 | fork | dvs, well so far people been pushing me to ubuntu here... |
| 22:17.31 | beardy | phorce1: But you are aware of the netinstaller? |
| 22:17.35 | JordiGH | fork: And Ubuntu promises more support and free pr0n. |
| 22:17.41 | phorce1 | dvs: of course I have to drive the 3 miles to my house from the office and burn them when they're all down. |
| 22:18.05 | fork | haha |
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| 22:18.15 | crafton | JordiGH, then there is not some advantatges on a gentoo about debian? |
| 22:18.31 | lontra | !tell crafton about gentoo |
| 22:18.31 | JordiGH | fork: You know what I'm talking about, right? The naked Ubuntu people? |
| 22:18.34 | phorce1 | beardy: see my reply to lontra. Netinst means I have to re-download every package I install every time I re-do the install if I reformat drives between installs. |
| 22:18.46 | beardy | fork: You are in #debian, Debian is what we recommend. |
| 22:18.47 | fork | JordiGH, yea heh |
| 22:18.53 | beardy | !d-i fork |
| 22:18.53 | dpkg | fork, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:18.59 | beardy | fork: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 22:19.02 | cygnus | hi i recently went from a sarge (i think) system with 2.4.x kernel to testing with 2.6.x and now when i try run my nat/fw script i get this on the insmod lines: insmod: can't read 'ip_tables': No such file or directory |
| 22:19.08 | beardy | fork: Good luck and ask if you get problems. |
| 22:19.18 | cygnus | has anyone got an idea ? |
| 22:19.22 | beardy | phorce1: Right. Just checking. |
| 22:19.31 | cygnus | cause ip_tables is in /lib/modules/2.6..... |
| 22:20.36 | phorce1 | beardy: CDs are cheap and bittorrent is fast -- grab once and only need security updates later. |
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| 22:20.46 | JordiGH | Wtf? |
| 22:20.48 | JordiGH | !rice |
| 22:20.48 | dpkg | i guess rice is good for you |
| 22:20.57 | JordiGH | Is this an easter egg? |
| 22:20.58 | JordiGH | dpkg, moo |
| 22:20.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:21.15 | beardy | phorce1: Not everyone has the bandwidth. |
| 22:21.19 | lontra | have you mooed today? |
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| 22:21.26 | cygnus | this is the particular line that files: /sbin/insmod ip_tables |
| 22:21.28 | JordiGH | lontra: aptitude moo! |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | dont' use insmod |
| 22:21.41 | abrotman | ever |
| 22:21.43 | dvs | !insmod |
| 22:21.43 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 22:21.57 | crafton | have you mooed today? |
| 22:22.07 | lontra | JordiGH: apt-get moo, aptitude moo is wierd 'There are no Easter Eggs in this program.' |
| 22:22.21 | abrotman | lontra: -v |
| 22:22.22 | abrotman | -vv |
| 22:22.24 | abrotman | -vvvvvvvv |
| 22:22.26 | JordiGH | lontra: Ah, but did you ask it to be verbose? |
| 22:23.52 | lontra | aptitude -vv moo? strange... |
| 22:23.55 | cygnus | what is the equivalent command for insmod ip_conntrack for example |
| 22:24.14 | phorce1 | lontra: keep adding more "v" one at a time |
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| 22:24.36 | dvs | cygnus: look what dpkg said |
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| 22:25.04 | lontra | that's hilarious |
| 22:25.17 | JordiGH | Ego te absolvum, my son. |
| 22:25.59 | cygnus | dvs: are you tryin to say all i need to do is modprobe ip_tables ? |
| 22:26.04 | beardy | Now you will have to fix his disk-installed knoppixmachines.. |
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| 22:26.18 | dvs | cygnus: yes, but I don't think there's an "ip_tables" kernel moduel |
| 22:26.44 | cygnus | # lsmod | grep ip_ta |
| 22:26.44 | cygnus | ip_tables 11160 2 iptable_nat,iptable_filter |
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| 22:26.53 | lontra | man i've been using debian for about a 1.5 years and i never knew about aptitude -v moo |
| 22:27.06 | dvs | I guess I was wrong |
| 22:27.06 | cygnus | dvs: what one should i modprobe then? |
| 22:27.12 | JordiGH | lontra: We're all a n00b about something. :) |
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| 22:27.21 | lontra | it's so funny |
| 22:27.29 | cygnus | because my nat still isn't going ;p |
| 22:28.00 | lurker99 | !beer all |
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| 22:28.11 | JordiGH | (@damned) one time, my mom asked me if she copied something, and then unplugged the mouse and plugged it into another computer she could paste it |
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| 22:28.58 | JordiGH | That sorta makes, sense, y'know. Especially with keyboard-free c/p in X. Pity that nobody but our kind seems to know what the middle button is good for. :P |
| 22:29.12 | dclark | Is there any way to force uninstall of a debian package, don't pass go, don't collect $200? I can't reinstall the package as it asks. |
| 22:29.26 | JordiGH | dclark: dpkg --help-force |
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| 22:29.40 | JordiGH | dclark: To be used with caution. |
| 22:29.49 | dclark | Google was surprisingly unhelpful... Yes I tried with --force-all, that didn't help. |
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| 22:30.00 | meredydd | um, eek. |
| 22:30.18 | meredydd | I just did a dist-upgrade, and got a complaint about /usr/X11R6/bin not being empty (opera was there) |
| 22:30.40 | dclark | I don't really care if the package left around dentritus, surely rthere must be some way to just remove a package's references fromt he package manager's database? |
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| 22:30.51 | meredydd | so I removed it, and ran the dist-upgrade again, and it's now doing the unmet-dependency dance |
| 22:31.13 | JordiGH | meredydd: That's why you shouldn't install non-free software. :P |
| 22:32.05 | dclark | This was GPL licensed software, but not in the repository. |
| 22:32.22 | dclark | I think the .deb was just corrupted somehow. |
| 22:32.32 | meredydd | Oh, come off it. I could quite easily have put self-compiled packages in there, and a system that brittle is going to fail. |
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| 22:34.42 | JordiGH | meredydd: To be fair, I don't think that's the reason why you're getting unment dependencies. And I was only half-joking about the non-free thing. Observe the smileys. :-) |
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| 22:35.05 | meredydd | indeed. Sorry, a bit frayed - system non-workingness makes me unreasonably grouchy |
| 22:35.15 | meredydd | apt-get -f install seems to have cleared it up, whatever it was |
| 22:35.17 | meredydd | so I'm happy |
| 22:35.38 | JordiGH | meredydd: Major dist-upgrades usually need a few apt-get -f installs in my experience. |
| 22:35.54 | meredydd | eh-heh |
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| 22:36.09 | meredydd | well, time for that whole acid-test thing |
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| 22:37.10 | boehmerdaniel | i need helping doing a network installation |
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| 22:38.14 | boehmerdaniel | i use WLAN but there is a winXP box with a free LAN connector and i want to "bridge" that |
| 22:38.17 | JordiGH | dclark: --force-all should help, but just for kicks, have you tried explicitly mentioning all that could be forced? |
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| 22:39.20 | boehmerdaniel | could anybody please help me to get that working? |
| 22:40.52 | dclark | JordiGH: No, I'll give that a try... |
| 22:41.24 | JordiGH | dclark: And --remove, of course ("is your computer plugged in?") |
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| 22:43.40 | dclark | dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq did it... I could have *sworn* I already tried that several times... thanks a lot! :-) |
| 22:44.19 | JordiGH | If a package isn't properly Debianised, is that a bug report or should I personally nag the package maintainer or what? |
| 22:44.25 | boehmerdaniel | why is nobody answering me? |
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| 22:44.50 | JordiGH | boehmerdaniel: Personally, because I can't help. |
| 22:45.21 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH: well, that's reasonable:) but there must be somebody out of 600 people who can help |
| 22:46.26 | JordiGH | Vast majority of those 600 are idlers or lurkers. Just be patient and keep your hopes up. :-) |
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| 22:47.09 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH: have to say i am IRC newbie |
| 22:47.35 | boehmerdaniel | so what to do? trying other channel or asking some time later? |
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| 22:47.41 | JordiGH | boehmerdaniel: Oh. Welcome, then. IRC tends to be atad hostile right now. |
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| 22:47.50 | JordiGH | Er, "a tad hostile sometimes" |
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| 22:47.55 | name | when creating a .deb with checkinstall, how to say which depencies it has? |
| 22:48.17 | schlumbergera | hi. i can not install grub with grub-install because /dev/hda is not known. |
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| 22:49.39 | JordiGH | Mostly because without visual cues it's harder to interpret people's intentions, and also because physical separation provokes loss of empathy. |
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| 22:49.49 | taylor | schlumbergera: Perhaps cfdisk or /var/log/messages would reveal which devices linux sees. |
| 22:49.54 | foo | If I want to add a host in /etc/hosts on my linux router... will all clients that access the Internet through this router be affected as well? Or no? |
| 22:50.35 | JordiGH | boehmerdaniel: Yes, try later, I'd say. Or try other media, like the Debian mailing lists. |
| 22:50.51 | boehmerdaniel | could do that. thanks for advice! |
| 22:51.06 | taylor | foo: My understanding is that the default result would br "no". |
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| 22:51.45 | boehmerdaniel | i guess some guys here are using X-Chat... i've just installed it. looks nice |
| 22:52.02 | JordiGH | :-) |
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| 22:52.34 | foo | taylor: thanks. I need to set it on the system I am browsing from, right? |
| 22:52.50 | boehmerdaniel | one question: is it possible to tell it that it should add the name of a person? like "PERSON: direct question to the person" |
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| 22:53.06 | JordiGH | boehmerdaniel: Tab completion? |
| 22:53.17 | tuxedup | does anyone know if apparmour is available for Debian? |
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| 22:53.29 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH, yeah works! cool:) |
| 22:53.39 | tuxedup | I know there is selinux in the testing/unstable repos but I have read that apparmour is easier to set up |
| 22:53.44 | JordiGH | boehmerdaniel: You can also send private messages, but there is some etiquette about that. Usually people don't like to be privately messaged without warning. |
| 22:54.11 | JordiGH | !info apparmour |
| 22:54.22 | JordiGH | No response. Nope, it's not in Debian. |
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| 22:54.30 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH, i also want other people to read my messages, but it is important that the person i am actually talking to is alerted |
| 22:57.07 | taylor | foo: Edit /etc/hosts on the computer which which is running the application that needs to know the IP address of a name like a.b.com. |
| 22:57.11 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH, i cannot find any option for this... maybe you could change that in some config file? |
| 22:57.12 | beardy | JordiGH: Try irssi? |
| 22:57.46 | JordiGH | Ah, no, found it. It's in configure the CD plugins. |
| 22:58.40 | JordiGH | beardy: I did. I actually like BitchX. I need to compile it for OpenBSD, though, because I need to make some some ssh hops through some hoops in order to get around the port restrictions my sysadmin has put into my LAN. |
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| 22:59.03 | JordiGH | Next question, how to add an entry to freedb from xmms. :-) |
| 22:59.12 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH, i cannot even find that cd plugin! is this listed under "input plugins"? |
| 22:59.27 | JordiGH | boehmerdaniel: Yep. |
| 22:59.40 | boehmerdaniel | however, i lost that one:-D |
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| 23:03.38 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH, thanks for sending that private message, but mine a blocked due to spam problems |
| 23:05.02 | JordiGH | That's one reason why /msgs are blocked. They're often abused by spambots. :-/ |
| 23:06.11 | boehmerdaniel | JordiGH, you were very helpful. again thanks for your advice |
| 23:06.43 | boehmerdaniel | i will leave now. it's now about 1 a.m. in my timezone and i don't want to sleep until 12 tomorrow:) |
| 23:08.12 | beardy | JordiGH: Next time, go in time. |
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| 23:09.33 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 23:09.39 | beardy | :) |
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| 23:10.13 | ma3x | anybody knows a software to crack the password of my cell phone? |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 23:10.37 | ma3x | where should I ask this? |
| 23:10.44 | abrotman | nfc |
| 23:11.30 | JordiGH | In efnet they have channels like #!!!!!!cr4ckz4all |
| 23:12.39 | JordiGH | Or was that dalnet? It's been such a long time since my youthful inquiries into such matters. |
| 23:12.52 | ma3x | okay thanks |
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| 23:13.30 | dogmeat | files in /tmp are deleted after reboots? |
| 23:13.42 | JordiGH | Yep. |
| 23:14.06 | dogmeat | oh boy, my files were wiped out. |
| 23:14.21 | JordiGH | Dude, /tmp means /tmp. :-) |
| 23:14.41 | dogmeat | name and meaning are not always the same thing! |
| 23:14.58 | JordiGH | Ok, fine, but GOTCHA! |
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| 23:15.37 | JordiGH | There are hacks to recover deleted files. They involved temporarily removing your ext3's journal and make it an ext2 partition. These things are very dangerous |
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| 23:16.03 | JordiGH | But if data is at stake, it might be worth it. Just make sure you don't lose more data that way. |
| 23:16.54 | minerale | How may one run gnome from another machine in linux? I do this often in windwos (by running a local x server) and then forwarding X over ssh, now i'm using linux and I already have a x server, and If I run gnome remotely it'll just put itself on top of my already running gnome session. How can I have a 'second' x server that'll allow me to run a remote session? |
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| 23:17.08 | holycow | hey guys |
| 23:17.09 | dogmeat | JordiGH: np, i have backups. but i just realized the program i wrote that saves volumes of downloaded data for later processing could get caught. |
| 23:17.12 | JordiGH | !info rdesktop |
| 23:17.19 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 23:17.36 | holycow | i have a machine with hardware raid card... i think it should be raid 1 or something. when installing debian, if its hardware raid, debian should only see 1 hd correct? |
| 23:17.40 | JordiGH | Oh, I thought rdesktop had nothing to do with Windows... |
| 23:18.25 | minerale | jordigh: wait, was that for me? |
| 23:18.44 | JordiGH | minerale: Oh, wait, I understand what you want now. Just open a new X session in a new tty. I think you can do this from gdm, and I'm certain you can do it from kdm. |
| 23:19.02 | minerale | jordigh: how would I open a new x session? |
| 23:19.11 | minerale | (from gdm) |
| 23:19.15 | JordiGH | Uhh... lemme check. I'll have to run gdm. |
| 23:19.43 | JordiGH | (there are ways to do this from a startx command, so you could go man startx in the meantime) |
| 23:20.48 | minerale | woud this put another x session at .. F8 ? |
| 23:21.47 | JordiGH | I'm not sure I have any idea what I'm talking about. I'm having to read documentation just as much as you would, but yes, the idea is to start a new session in tty8, say. |
| 23:22.28 | JordiGH | And no, you can't do it from kdm. Probably not from gdm either, although you can do it from GNOME once it's up and running, but I think it'll open a new local session. |
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| 23:23.29 | minerale | Well, I was able to open a new session in gdm, not sure if it killed the other one... no idea how to switch between them either |
| 23:23.39 | JordiGH | ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 23:23.57 | Inazad | I need some help .. my gnome starts but with 3 minutes of late... what I can do ? |
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| 23:24.25 | minerale | oh wicked, Ctrl/Alt/f7 is gnome, then onf f8 I've got just a terminal, thanks |
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| 23:26.30 | JordiGH | That helped? Wow. |
| 23:27.58 | minerale | jordigh: yeah, quit -> login screen -> options -> select session -> failsafe terminal -> ssh -X solarisbox -> remote gnome-session |
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| 23:30.58 | JordiGH | Aha. |
| 23:31.27 | JordiGH | I still want to figure out how to contribute an entry to freedb. With xmms or otherwise. |
| 23:32.14 | beardy | JordiGH: apt-cache search freedb ? |
| 23:33.20 | JordiGH | minerale: The failsafe terminal is an xterm, right? |
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| 23:35.10 | minerale | Jeah, but you can change the sessions to whatever you want, ie run XGL/compiz and metacity at the same time |
| 23:35.16 | minerale | ... I think |
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| 23:35.55 | JordiGH | Right. That's kinda fun. Run kwin and the GNOME panel at once. Unholy communion. >:) |
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| 23:38.57 | JordiGH | Oh. Looks like XMMS can't do it. Good thing I'm not afraid of using KDE proggies, though. |
| 23:39.03 | JordiGH | http://www.freedb.org/freedb_aware_apps.php |
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| 23:41.08 | holycow | anyone have hardware raid experience? |
| 23:41.37 | holycow | i'm just curious if during boot debian would see 1 or 2 hd's in a raid 1 setup ... if a hardware raid 1 was configured in some way say via bios or however its done? |
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| 23:42.44 | mrrcparish | how do i install the correct apache + php + mysql ? |
| 23:42.50 | mrrcparish | with apt-get |
| 23:42.55 | petemc | holycow: if the kernel has support for the raid controller, sure |
| 23:43.23 | mrrcparish | any ideas |
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| 23:44.31 | holycow | petemc, hehe, your answer failed to identify the right variable :) |
| 23:44.32 | holycow | ;lol |
| 23:44.49 | holycow | i take it the answer is 'yes it would see both hds in a hardware raid setup?'? |
| 23:44.56 | gentgeen__ | mrrcparish, apt-get install X Y Z where X,Y,Z are the packages you want.... |
| 23:45.05 | gentgeen__ | what do you mean by "correct"? |
| 23:45.14 | mrrcparish | php will not install |
| 23:45.21 | mrrcparish | i try apt-get install php |
| 23:45.27 | mrrcparish | and it says its not a package |
| 23:45.29 | petemc | holycow: it would see one large device |
| 23:45.34 | holycow | let me correct one error in my question, i mean during 'install' i'm at the partitioner and it sees two hd's i would of thought a hardware raid would see one device |
| 23:45.40 | holycow | oh fuck then these guys screwed me |
| 23:45.43 | mrrcparish | and squrrielmail no works |
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| 23:46.24 | JordiGH | mrrcparish: itym "php3" |
| 23:46.29 | JordiGH | apt-get install php3 |
| 23:46.35 | gentgeen__ | mrrcparish, go to http://packages.debian.org then do a search for PHP... |
| 23:46.41 | mrrcparish | thanks |
| 23:46.42 | gentgeen__ | you will see a lot of packages |
| 23:46.53 | JordiGH | or php4 |
| 23:46.57 | petemc | people still use php3? |
| 23:47.10 | Pons | guys, is there any way of making a user able to restart httpd server in linux? |
| 23:47.13 | gentgeen__ | php5 I think is available too isn't it |
| 23:47.25 | gentgeen__ | that is why I mentioned a search.... too many options |
| 23:47.30 | gentgeen__ | for me to guess |
| 23:47.32 | nanotube | can someone please help, Ineed hint how to alias my ra0 to eth0 , thanks |
| 23:47.54 | JordiGH | php5. Sorry |
| 23:47.57 | petemc | mrrcparish: there are a few small gotchas, google for a guide to setting up lamp on debian |
| 23:48.05 | linux2 | anyone know how to get a previous version of a piece of software from cvs? |
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| 23:50.10 | beardy | Pons: sudo probably |
| 23:50.16 | beardy | !sudo |
| 23:50.17 | dpkg | [sudo] (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 23:50.50 | JordiGH | wtf is talon? |
| 23:50.58 | beardy | no idea.. |
| 23:51.00 | JordiGH | !talon |
| 23:51.14 | beardy | !factinfo sudo |
| 23:51.15 | dpkg | sudo -- last modified at Fri Dec 13 00:48:13 2002 by fooz!walker@63.207.141.101; it has been requested 206 times, last by beardy, 57s ago. |
| 23:51.32 | gentgeen__ | mrrcparish, check out http://www.aboutdebian.com that one has helped me out a number of times |
| 23:51.32 | JordiGH | If this were Wikipedia, I'd put a "citation needed" tag there. :P |
| 23:52.04 | JordiGH | !! |
| 23:52.05 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 23:52.18 | JordiGH | #!/bin/bash |
| 23:52.43 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, You gonna make the bot mad !!!! |
| 23:52.44 | gentgeen__ | :-) |
| 23:52.52 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: That webpage gets the distro's name wrong. That is unexcusable. :P |
| 23:53.36 | nanotube | can someone please help, I need hint how to alias my ra0 to eth0 , thank you |
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| 23:53.44 | gentgeen__ | which one, the aplawrence.com one? |
| 23:53.53 | JordiGH | aboutdebian.com |
| 23:53.55 | gentgeen__ | what is ra0 ... maybe I can help |
| 23:54.34 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, really? why do you say that? I must have missed something |
| 23:54.36 | nanotube | gentgeen__: ra0 is my wireless interface... I need to alias it to eth0 |
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| 23:54.46 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: They forgot the GNU/ part. :P |
| 23:54.55 | Cooner750 | Need a guide for setting up an FTP server in Debian |
| 23:54.59 | gentgeen__ | lol.... OK, gotca |
| 23:55.35 | gentgeen__ | nanotube, way the do you want to alias it? is an app not picking it up? |
| 23:56.05 | gentgeen__ | I used to have a wireless card that came up as .... sucks forget now... but it was not ethX and I never had an issue |
| 23:56.22 | nanotube | gentgeen__: yes, vmware=player , there are two options tel vmwareplayer to use my ra0 or alias ra0 to eth0 |
| 23:56.31 | Cooner750 | Help? |
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| 23:57.00 | gentgeen__ | Cooner750, check out www.aboutdebian.com |
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| 23:57.56 | trygg | i dont get it, my soundcard worked automagically when i booted up with elive and i installed with that option, now when i have removed it once and now put it in, it wont work? |
| 23:58.02 | nanotube | gentgeen__: any idea? |
| 23:58.33 | gentgeen__ | just did a google.com/linux search on "alias eth0" found some things... did you try that yet |
| 23:58.47 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: Also mentions Linus and Ian Murdock. If RMS were dead, he'd be rolling over in his grave just about now. |
| 23:59.24 | gentgeen__ | Knowing what I know about RMS.... I am sure he has sent a few "polite" emails to the webmaster ^_^ |
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