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| 00:00.25 | JordiGH | DON'T READ HTTP://WWW.ABOUTDEBIAN.COM \n ENEMY OF YOUR FREEDOM |
| 00:00.55 | gentgeen__ | <GRIN> |
| 00:01.06 | holycow | JordiGH, what the hell? |
| 00:01.10 | gentgeen__ | nanotube, did you see this one http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-creating-ethernet-alias-for-eth0-network-device.html |
| 00:01.41 | JordiGH | holycow: See http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/dont-buy-from-ati |
| 00:02.21 | holycow | you people are total assholes |
| 00:02.22 | holycow | seriously |
| 00:02.24 | gentgeen__ | everyone loves raymond ... Love that |
| 00:02.37 | JordiGH | holycow: It's a joke, dude. Liven up. :-) |
| 00:02.44 | gentgeen__ | holycow, now that is not nice.... can't you laugh |
| 00:02.48 | gentgeen__ | ? |
| 00:03.01 | holycow | well its funny if your 12 years old maybe |
| 00:03.14 | holycow | but then, 12 year olds find monkey slinging poo funny |
| 00:03.53 | gentgeen__ | Well crap, then I am 12 years old.... gonna have to tell my 7 yr old about that... not sure how I will explain it though |
| 00:04.02 | JordiGH | Eh? I'm not sure 12 year olds are aware of political philosophy, world economics, free software issues, and political activism. Did you even get the joke? |
| 00:04.54 | gentgeen__ | Personnally, I even liked the word play in "holycow, now that is not nice.... can't you laugh" Then again, maybe only I got that one |
| 00:05.47 | minerale | where does GDM keep all it's 'session' files? ie it allow me to start gnome, or kde, or just a failsafe terminal... where is this saved? (ie, if I want to add another session manually) |
| 00:05.58 | gentgeen__ | back OT ... nanotube did you get what you were looking for |
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| 00:07.10 | gentgeen__ | minerale, I would say /etc/gdm/Sessions/ but mine only contains Fluxbox, and I got 3 other WM on my box |
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| 00:09.02 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, I was just reading on their site, they are having issues... fights between developers... leading to (I think) problems with service |
| 00:09.07 | minerale | gentgeen__: I don't even have Sessions folder in there, what's inside? just a Xsession file ? |
| 00:09.35 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: Rrreally? Where's the gossip? |
| 00:09.47 | gentgeen__ | in mine, it is just a file named fluxbox |
| 00:09.55 | gentgeen__ | with exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 00:10.15 | JordiGH | Ooh, frontpage. |
| 00:10.19 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, I just read it on the front page www.freedb.(org/com/etc) |
| 00:10.20 | gentgeen__ | you got it |
| 00:10.48 | gentgeen__ | minerale, maybe review /etc/gdm/Xsession ... see if there is any hints in there |
| 00:11.36 | Malagmyr | What the hell did I do wrong?! 90% of my spam mail this summer is in Japanese :( |
| 00:12.02 | Malagmyr | I'm Norwegian, for Christ's sake! English is hard enough. |
| 00:12.10 | nanotube | gentgeen__: still testing it seems that it is more simple than I thought..ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.1.11 up thank you |
| 00:12.16 | gentgeen__ | Malagmyr, going to those XXX anima sites ... tisk tisk |
| 00:12.42 | gentgeen__ | np... google.com/linux is my best friend |
| 00:13.05 | JordiGH | Oh, I see what the problem is. There's a CD with my diskid in my category. I'll need a different category. Hmm... |
| 00:14.00 | JordiGH | They haven't done anything completely terrible yet... but they day they decide to be evil, there's no stopping them. |
| 00:15.05 | gentgeen__ | I am thinking that now, specially with the stock, that then REALLY need to keep the public happy. So they need "not do evil", less the stocks start to drop |
| 00:15.12 | gentgeen__ | that is my hope at least :-) |
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| 00:16.27 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 00:16.39 | JordiGH | !de |
| 00:16.39 | dpkg | i heard de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 00:16.45 | gentgeen__ | meppl, good night to you too |
| 00:16.56 | abrotman | german! |
| 00:16.57 | meppl | ;) |
| 00:17.03 | JordiGH | This is fun... how many languages does dpkg now? |
| 00:17.05 | JordiGH | know? |
| 00:17.09 | JordiGH | !jp |
| 00:17.09 | dpkg | i guess jp is Japan |
| 00:17.21 | JordiGH | !ch |
| 00:17.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ch is Switzerland |
| 00:17.34 | gentgeen__ | I guesss there is no #debian.de or ch |
| 00:17.54 | beardy | read above |
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| 00:18.21 | azeem | JordiGH: please /msg the bot |
| 00:18.29 | JordiGH | Kay, kay, sorry. |
| 00:19.34 | enouf | minerale: I'm also looking to add "console" back to my 'kdm' choices, but for gdm, I found this: /usr/share/man/man8/gdm.8.gz (man 8 gdm), and /usr/share/man/man8/gdmchooser.8.gz (man 8 gdmchooser) |
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| 00:21.50 | enouf | minerale: Also, I think mentioned already, review the contents of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 00:23.53 | gentgeen__ | minerale, if you find it let me know... this is driving me nuts now.... I _used_ to know where it was |
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| 00:27.17 | gentgeen__ | minerale, maybe just try putting something in /etc/gdm/Sessions/ and see if it works |
| 00:28.02 | gentgeen__ | ls -l /etc/gdm/Sessions/ returns -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 129 2005-05-23 10:23 fluxbox |
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| 00:28.44 | gentgeen__ | and /etc/gdm/Sessions/fluxbox just has exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/fluxbox maybe just do an xterm and see if it works :-) |
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| 00:44.31 | enouf | minerale, gentgeen__: I think both should have a look at 'man xsession' for explanations -- I'm reading it now |
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| 00:45.42 | phrontist | I am trying to do a net install by booting off floppy disks |
| 00:46.02 | phrontist | when I try |
| 00:46.06 | phrontist | I get the snazzy debian logo |
| 00:46.11 | phrontist | and a "boot:" prompt |
| 00:46.15 | phrontist | I hit enter |
| 00:46.20 | phrontist | all appears to be going well |
| 00:46.26 | phrontist | but then... |
| 00:46.39 | JordiGH | IT ISN'T! |
| 00:46.40 | enouf | minerale, gentgeen__: I believe I have no choice anymore (in kdm) for "Console Login" under Session types, b/c for some odd reason, the $HOME/.xession file doesn't exist anymore on mine :-( .. but I'm going to make one ;-] |
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| 00:46.53 | phrontist | I get "Boot failed" |
| 00:47.06 | phrontist | "please change disks and press any key" |
| 00:47.14 | phrontist | this is with the debian sarge boot.img |
| 00:47.17 | phrontist | written with rawwrite |
| 00:47.34 | phrontist | so I tried the root.img and net-drivers.img |
| 00:47.37 | phrontist | to no avial |
| 00:47.39 | phrontist | *avail |
| 00:48.01 | Zweideutig | There must be a problem. |
| 00:48.41 | liable | wow, what powers of deduction.. :P |
| 00:50.52 | phrontist | http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 00:51.01 | phrontist | that is where I downloaded the images I'm currently using |
| 00:51.39 | liable | phrontist: dont think there are etch floppies |
| 00:51.48 | phrontist | liable: okay |
| 00:51.58 | phrontist | so I'll continue trying with sarge |
| 00:52.09 | phrontist | any theories on why the sarge floppies have failed? |
| 00:52.41 | phrontist | what is the difference between the images linked to and those in the "access" directory? |
| 00:52.55 | JordiGH | Floppies are unreliable, but you didn't get any I/O errors, did you? |
| 00:53.22 | liable | i lie, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 00:53.31 | phrontist | JordiGH: I have no idea what that means, I described the process in riveting narrative form above |
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| 00:54.12 | liable | phrontist: is floppy your only choice? no os on the box? or just windows? |
| 00:54.17 | JordiGH | phrontist: I mean, are you sure there is nothing physically wrong with the floppy? I/O, input/output, i.e. your computer couldn't read the floppy. |
| 00:54.36 | phrontist | well, I don't know |
| 00:54.41 | phrontist | the boot prompt came up |
| 00:54.47 | phrontist | so presumably it read something |
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| 00:54.56 | phrontist | but I can't rule out corruption |
| 00:54.58 | JordiGH | But it has to read everything. :P |
| 00:55.07 | phrontist | :-) |
| 00:55.13 | phrontist | should I try rewriting? |
| 00:55.27 | JordiGH | Check integrity of the floppies first. |
| 00:55.44 | phrontist | liable: there is no OS on this machine... |
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| 00:56.23 | phrontist | I can't boot from CD because I saved this laptop from the junk heap, and it has a BIOS password, so I can't change the boot order, which presently precludes the CD drive, if it's even possible |
| 00:56.34 | phrontist | it's an Inspiron 7000 circa 1998 |
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| 00:57.28 | enouf | phrontist: hitting Enter at the "boot:" prompt should try to load the default kernel and it's parameters -- perhaps the defaults aren't correct - but yeah, verify the intergrity of the floppy disks(images) |
| 00:57.47 | vick | Hello, i have debian 'etch'. When i start it while the network cable is plugged in, it gets an ip, etc.. [runs dhclient or simmiliar], but if i start it without the network cable plugged in and then later plug it in, it doesn't do this authomatically, how can i change this ? |
| 00:58.05 | phrontist | okay, I have to actually run over to another building to rewrite the floppies |
| 00:58.07 | phrontist | brb 15min |
| 00:58.21 | phrontist | before I do though, are those images I linked above the best to be using? |
| 00:58.25 | phrontist | do I need all three? |
| 00:58.31 | phrontist | and what order should I use them? |
| 00:58.37 | phrontist | boot.img first, presumably |
| 00:59.46 | enouf | phrontist: I'm not sure about floppies(don't use them), but also review the many options you can pass to the kernel at boot time : here's a decent list http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 just note the kernel version |
| 01:00.44 | phrontist | I don't have a choice in regard to the floppies |
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| 01:01.07 | liable | phrontist: i gave the link for the etch ones if you want to try, i only used floppies once and cant remember, but i have a vague feeling I used the root one. |
| 01:01.57 | enouf | phrontist: I was going to say -- on floppies, I wonder if how many options are even available...since they're so small, but the CD offers the F2-Fn keys for various boot options (descriptions/examples) |
| 01:02.40 | phrontist | okay, thanks all, I'm going to go write the etch images |
| 01:02.42 | phrontist | I'll report back |
| 01:03.43 | gentgeen__ | vick, how do you get your IP address? Do you have a dhcp server? is it static? are you plugged into your modem? etc |
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| 01:03.57 | gentgeen__ | I think you just need think about how Debian does it.... |
| 01:04.31 | gentgeen__ | at bootup, it will run you /etc/init.d/networking and if your wire is in, it will get an IP, if your wire is out, it will fail |
| 01:04.44 | gentgeen__ | well, it will fail to get an IP, the scipt does not fail |
| 01:04.46 | enouf | vick: you'll likely need to do 'ifup eth0' or similar once plugged in |
| 01:04.59 | liable | phrontist[afk]: also read this section.. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#floppy-boot |
| 01:05.10 | vick | gentgeen__, There is a dhcp server on the network |
| 01:05.57 | enouf | liable: heheeh -- incase some female shows up drunk at 4:30am ?? |
| 01:05.57 | gentgeen__ | Ya... so what enouf said will do it... you need to tell your computer "OK, wire in, ask for a IP address now" |
| 01:06.25 | enouf | liable: * (or male) |
| 01:08.38 | gentgeen__ | its quiet.... TOO quiet! |
| 01:09.37 | enouf | !spank gentgeen__ |
| 01:10.28 | gentgeen__ | <GRIN> |
| 01:10.31 | enouf | gentgeen__ : how's that? live-in it up a bit ;-) just kidding |
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| 01:11.52 | gentgeen__ | IRC is quiet, nothing on TV, I am out of DVR stuff, don't want to watch a a DVD, read all the slashdot/digg/BBC that I can handle today... |
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| 01:12.06 | gentgeen__ | If only I had some $$$ |
| 01:12.09 | gentgeen__ | :-) |
| 01:12.11 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 01:12.22 | coolzone | Hi, would someone mind running a whereis bzip2 and gzip, and tell me where those files are located at a debian system? I am doing some cross OS developement, and need to make it work for Debian. |
| 01:12.24 | poonj | I'm trying to create about 5TB of storage space... |
| 01:12.25 | enouf | gentgeen__ : That's what CCs are for ;-) |
| 01:12.42 | gentgeen__ | poonj, I'm sure there are some girls here too ;) |
| 01:12.45 | poonj | is it possible to setup some type of cluster to split it between 2-4 computers? |
| 01:12.50 | enouf | gentgeen__ : Go read the man xsession stuff -- that'll keep you busy for awhile |
| 01:13.00 | poonj | and make a virtual server of some sort? |
| 01:13.30 | Vasistha | coolzone: /usr/bin/bzip2 /bin/gzip |
| 01:13.44 | coolzone | Yasistha, thank you very much! :-) |
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| 01:14.24 | rgrant | hey install experts: is there a way to boot from cdrom and in kernel options specify a root or preseed on USB? |
| 01:14.25 | gentgeen__ | poonj, you want to make a cluster, and make your cluster a virtual server? |
| 01:14.31 | JordiGH | coolzone: for future reference, "whereis binary" |
| 01:14.43 | JordiGH | Ack, left. |
| 01:15.05 | Vasistha | JordiGH: he's doing cross-os dev, he wanted to know where they are on a debian system :P |
| 01:15.08 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, he was doing Cross OS... not on a Debian system and he wanted to see where Debian put it |
| 01:15.19 | enouf | Vasistha: I would've thought /usr/bin as well, but on my Sid, the programs are only in /bin |
| 01:15.21 | Vasistha | darn it... |
| 01:15.37 | gentgeen__ | rgrant, like you want to boot from the USB? |
| 01:15.57 | Vasistha | enouf: hrm, well that doesn't seem very portable ... oh well, sid is weird :-) |
| 01:16.21 | rgrant | gentgeen__: yah, but starting from nice cdrom iso. really i just want to specify preseed file on USB. |
| 01:16.40 | enouf | Vasistha: I don't use them much either -- perhaps that has something to do with it |
| 01:16.46 | rgrant | am trying to avoid rebuilding iso with preseed file in it. |
| 01:16.49 | gentgeen__ | interesting thought.... not that I have a clue :-) |
| 01:16.57 | holycow | guys ... which 3ware card might be recommended for hardware raid, scsi hds? |
| 01:17.34 | Vasistha | holycow: have you checked a linux hardware compatibility list? |
| 01:17.35 | enouf | Vasistha: high fi*c*es ? ...:-) <chuckles> |
| 01:17.49 | Vasistha | enouf: hence, "darn it" |
| 01:17.51 | holycow | Vasistha, i'm googling for one now actually |
| 01:18.04 | Vasistha | holycow: google.com/linux is your friend ;-) |
| 01:18.06 | rgrant | this would make replicating an install much friendlier. |
| 01:18.06 | enouf | holycow: how many ports and what kind of disks ? SATA, SCSI, SAS |
| 01:18.21 | enouf | Vasistha: I saw ... |
| 01:18.23 | holycow | scsi, raid 1 |
| 01:19.08 | enouf | holycow: doH -- you DID say scsi - sorry |
| 01:19.28 | holycow | enouf, ya no biggie :) |
| 01:19.34 | holycow | Vasistha, *nod* indeed, danke |
| 01:19.51 | JordiGH | Or maybe this isn't the way to do it. I'm an ordinary user in a server far, far away. I want to password-protect one of my directories in my webspace. Is an .htaccess file the way to do it? |
| 01:21.28 | Vasistha | JordiGH: Have you asked #apache |
| 01:21.52 | JordiGH | D'oh! |
| 01:21.52 | JordiGH | Good idea. |
| 01:21.52 | f00li5h | i'm playing with chroot's and it refuses to play nice. i've got the user in /etc/passwd and /home/chrooteduser/etc/passwd, a su and bash binary (and the libs for the bash binary) /home/chrooteduser/bin. |
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| 01:21.52 | enouf | holycow: Someone recently in here talking with 'sep'(?) (the 3ware RAID guru) mentioned this for SATA http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_parts.asp?PRID=3077 "Model 8006-2LP", but look around for a similar variant in SCSI |
| 01:21.55 | f00li5h | but su complains that the user does not exist when i su to hm |
| 01:22.47 | holycow | enouf, *nod* danke |
| 01:23.05 | enouf | holycow: no problemo :-) |
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| 01:28.35 | holycow | enouf, btw, 3ware is sata only ... *cough* i had no idea |
| 01:28.36 | Vasistha | f00li5h: there's some type of utility that you can run that looks at those system files, can't remember what it's called... |
| 01:28.51 | holycow | i just phoned their sales and someone actually answered |
| 01:28.53 | holycow | >_> |
| 01:28.54 | enouf | holycow: Come on ...No way ...really ? |
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| 01:29.10 | enouf | holycow: Get outta town |
| 01:29.25 | holycow | enouf, yep, ata only ... what they do is configure their interface to be scsi so it looks like scsi to the os, but its ata/sata only |
| 01:29.25 | stoned | what the fuck does that mean? |
| 01:29.37 | holycow | enouf, swear to god, i just had the sales guy say this to me |
| 01:29.40 | stoned | if you don't believe something, say so, why do people tell each other to get out of town |
| 01:29.45 | stoned | wtf does that mean anyway |
| 01:31.37 | enouf | stoned: It means -- get outta town (get the fsck out of here you 'fibber') .. but I'm not calling anyone any names -- and I tend to think that holycow isn't fibbing anyway -- it's an expression |
| 01:31.42 | holycow | stoned, its because language and the human mind are non linear |
| 01:32.07 | holycow | stoned, there is a whole bunch of intermediary metadata between all the logic bits that ties things together. repetition is part of that |
| 01:32.14 | enouf | holycow: Ok then Intel, MegaRAID, Areca and Adaptec ... |
| 01:32.23 | stoned | you guys are actually explaining that to me? |
| 01:32.37 | Vasistha | stoned: you actually asked? |
| 01:32.49 | holycow | stoned, well you asked, if it was that logical why did you repeate what everyone observed? |
| 01:32.50 | enouf | <-- takes a deep puff... |
| 01:32.52 | stoned | no I didn't |
| 01:33.01 | stoned | It was a rhetorical question |
| 01:33.27 | enouf | <-- exhales :-) |
| 01:33.31 | holycow | heh |
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| 01:33.41 | holycow | stoned, no biggie, all good |
| 01:33.46 | stoned | no its not all good |
| 01:33.48 | Vasistha | stoned: ahh... you've been the victim of the answer to a rhetorical question |
| 01:33.49 | stoned | its a fucking stupid thing to day |
| 01:33.51 | stoned | say* |
| 01:34.10 | holycow | not quite as stupid as observing the obvious then repeating it for everyone |
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| 01:34.17 | stoned | yeah, really? wow,. I don't believe, you. Get out of town! |
| 01:34.24 | stoned | thats fucking moronic |
| 01:34.28 | stoned | go back to debian support |
| 01:34.42 | holycow | lol |
| 01:34.49 | f00li5h | Vasistha: i see |
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| 01:35.04 | f00li5h | Vasistha: i now a man who can tell me |
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| 01:37.07 | fduplex | During the debian installation I was presented with a menu asking me if I wanted to choose a preset of packages for certain uses, ie Workstation / Desktop or whatever. Can I somehow access that menu again after installation? |
| 01:38.02 | Vasistha | f00li5h: maybe it's printenv |
| 01:38.31 | Vasistha | no, that's not it. |
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| 01:38.55 | gentgeen__ | fduplex, "tasksel" |
| 01:39.05 | fduplex | gentgeen__: thanks |
| 01:39.22 | gentgeen__ | welcome :-) |
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| 01:44.39 | enouf | Yoooo --- ^__^ - a happy camper am I..My girl just broughtover more Beer, more Cigarettes, Herself ;-) ....and MORE RAM!!! Now that's-a-nice!! |
| 01:45.32 | enouf | stoned: If you think I'm lying -- say "get-outta-town" :p |
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| 01:45.46 | stoned | no |
| 01:45.53 | stoned | I usually say, quit lyin and go fuck yourself |
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| 01:46.29 | Vasistha | enouf: my only question is, why are you still on irc? get-outta-irc ;-) |
| 01:46.32 | enouf | stoned: me happy -- you miserable .. |
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| 01:47.00 | mezoko | When ever I press my "del" key I get the "~" symbol |
| 01:47.03 | mezoko | How can I fix that? |
| 01:47.04 | gentgeen__ | "My girl just brought over ... Herself ;-) ....and MORE RAM!!!" I know there is a joke in there...... |
| 01:47.06 | enouf | Vasistha -- Ciao BABY!! -stoned's got to love that one ... :-P |
| 01:47.14 | gentgeen__ | <GRIN> |
| 01:47.54 | Vasistha | mezoko: just in a console, or just in X apps, or both? |
| 01:48.10 | mezoko | Vasistha, in console I dunno about X |
| 01:49.11 | mezoko | Vasistha, actually that happens in openssh and in console the del key just makes the system beep |
| 01:49.17 | stoned | fucking stupid moronic assholes |
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| 01:49.24 | stoned | god I wish stupid people would just vanish |
| 01:49.31 | stoned | not die, so we dont' have to bury em, just vanish |
| 01:49.33 | stoned | disappear |
| 01:49.36 | stoned | goddamn stupidity |
| 01:49.41 | stoned | *away* |
| 01:50.21 | Vasistha | mezoko: what if you use the left arrow to go back one character and try to delete it, then does it work properly? |
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| 01:50.52 | mezoko | Vasistha, no |
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| 01:53.39 | phrontist | I'm back |
| 01:53.41 | phrontist | okay |
| 01:53.43 | Vasistha | mezoko: heh, I want to say something, but I don't even know the right vocabulary to talk about this stuff. Something about your localization is not compatible with the keyboard hardware |
| 01:53.45 | phrontist | so etch seems to be working |
| 01:53.50 | phrontist | but it's taking forever |
| 01:53.51 | Vasistha | phrontist: congrats |
| 01:53.53 | phrontist | is that normal? |
| 01:53.57 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 01:53.58 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 01:54.10 | Vasistha | phrontist: taking forever to do what? |
| 01:54.18 | phrontist | the floppy disk to load |
| 01:54.23 | phrontist | "Loading linux..." |
| 01:54.27 | holycow | stoned, your a first class retard |
| 01:54.33 | holycow | congratulations on classifying your self |
| 01:55.03 | mezoko | Vasistha, because it works fine in my other distro |
| 01:55.13 | Vasistha | holycow: why feed the fire? |
| 01:55.24 | mezoko | does debian have something like rc.local? |
| 01:56.12 | Vasistha | mezoko: it has the /etc/rc[1-5S].d directories, where all that stuff is done in individual scripts, instead of one huge one |
| 01:56.17 | holycow | Vasistha, good enough. it is still amazing how many jerks things like debian and bsd attract tho |
| 01:56.30 | mezoko | Ok well I need to have this excuted at bootup |
| 01:56.31 | holycow | you guys finally got rid of mrwilson and a few others and bing, another one pops up the replace them |
| 01:56.36 | mezoko | net groupmap modify ntgroup="Domain Admins" unixgroup=ntadmins |
| 01:56.40 | Vasistha | holycow: it's amazing how many jerks there are in the world, no matter what group you venture into! |
| 01:56.41 | mezoko | How can I do that? |
| 01:56.52 | holycow | Vasistha, lol, *sigh* |
| 01:57.14 | Vasistha | mezoko: then you should probably put it in /etc/rcS.d ... those are executed first |
| 01:57.50 | mezoko | but those all look like startup scripts |
| 01:59.16 | Vasistha | mezoko: and you wanted this to be run *when*? |
| 01:59.21 | f00li5h | hrm |
| 01:59.39 | mezoko | well after samba starts up |
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| 02:00.46 | Vasistha | mezoko: ooh, look, I've got a /etc/rcS.d/S05keymap.sh -- this may be a good place to look for your keyboard issue |
| 02:01.11 | Vasistha | mezoko: I have /etc/rc2.d/S20samba |
| 02:01.52 | name | http://62.178.2.83:8080/mediawiki/index.php/Svnserve |
| 02:01.54 | Vasistha | mezoko: so just use update-rc.d to put it in whatever runlevels you want, and give it a number higher than 20, to have it start after samba |
| 02:01.56 | mezoko | Vasistha, I don't have a keymap.sh |
| 02:01.57 | name | what you guy think? |
| 02:02.16 | Vasistha | name: what is it? I don't like to click on links without a description |
| 02:02.33 | name | Vasistha: a tut about setting up a svnsever |
| 02:02.34 | name | +r |
| 02:03.06 | Vasistha | name: ah, nice. Did you write it or something? |
| 02:03.12 | name | ye sure |
| 02:03.23 | name | it's even hosted here ;) |
| 02:03.24 | name | on my PC |
| 02:03.34 | name | means it wont be available when shutting down |
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| 02:06.03 | Vasistha | mezoko: hmm, dpkg -S /etc/init.d/keymap.sh tells me that it's in the console-common package |
| 02:06.08 | name | Vasistha: like it? |
| 02:06.35 | Vasistha | name: I haven't looked, I won't be setting up an svn server ;-) |
| 02:06.41 | mezoko | Vasistha, I have that file |
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| 02:08.02 | name | i wanted someone to read it, for testing ;D |
| 02:08.21 | Vasistha | name: have you considered posting it on, e.g., linuxquestions.org, or on a public wiki? |
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| 02:08.57 | f00li5h | how do i find out of the su i have is the su that came in base? |
| 02:09.11 | f00li5h | or if i've done something silly and meat-axed it |
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| 02:10.08 | Vasistha | name: well, my first comment is that the instructions text is much smaller than the fixed-width conf-file text ... I'd prefer the instructions to be bigger, but alternately you could go smaller with the fixed-width |
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| 02:12.35 | Vasistha | f00li5h: I don't know if it's either possible or wise to apt-get install login |
| 02:12.42 | Vasistha | f00li5h: but su is in the login package... |
| 02:13.03 | f00li5h | hrm, |
| 02:13.11 | f00li5h | i harvesteed a su from core utils, |
| 02:13.19 | f00li5h | and stuck it inot the jails |
| 02:13.29 | Vasistha | name: another thing that would be nice is a short paragraph at the top covering what svn is, what it isn't what it's good for, what it isn't good for -- so if someone happens across it, and they have no idea what it is or if they'll need it, then they'll find that info. |
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| 02:14.24 | name | Vasistha: someone who doesnt know svn wouldnt like to set up a server |
| 02:14.33 | Vasistha | f00li5h: well, when I try su --version it says invalid option, so I assume mine is not a gnu su, because gnu utils tend to respect --help |
| 02:14.51 | gentgeen__ | name, You might also want to follow up with "now installed, what do I do next" |
| 02:15.03 | gentgeen__ | even if it just points to the SVN book on the SVN site |
| 02:15.16 | name | gentgeen__: hm [[svn]] does ;) |
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| 02:15.19 | name | its WIP |
| 02:15.21 | Vasistha | name: that is true, but someone who *really* doesn't know what they're doing might come across your tutorial and think they need to install it, having no idea what it's for |
| 02:15.31 | name | Vasistha: lol |
| 02:15.33 | Ick | i just installed debian on a new-ish computer |
| 02:15.40 | name | Ick: so? |
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| 02:15.47 | Ick | the maximum resolution offered by KDE is 800x600 |
| 02:15.54 | name | Ick: what video card |
| 02:15.59 | name | Ick: what xorg config |
| 02:16.02 | name | etc etc |
| 02:16.03 | Ick | not exactly sure |
| 02:16.09 | Vasistha | name: I'm serious, though, I've tried to install things in the past because I couldn't find a concrete explanation of what the damn util was supposed to do, but I thought I needed it because something else made some reference to it |
| 02:16.13 | Ick | i'm not that familiar with the stuff running under the hood |
| 02:16.19 | Ick | i've just liked linux because it just works |
| 02:16.32 | name | Ick: what video card you have |
| 02:16.35 | name | ati or nvidia |
| 02:16.39 | name | and |
| 02:16.46 | name | hmm wait |
| 02:16.46 | Ick | i don't know, I got this computer from my brother |
| 02:16.51 | Ick | it's a 1.8 GHz dell |
| 02:16.54 | name | good |
| 02:16.57 | name | but the graphics |
| 02:17.04 | cougar` | Hey all |
| 02:17.10 | Ick | hi cougar` |
| 02:17.16 | cougar` | Anyone here explain to me how do I know if 1 service will start before another? |
| 02:17.19 | cougar` | Hey Ick |
| 02:17.26 | Ick | can i fix this with dpkg or will that screw things up? |
| 02:17.32 | name | cougar`: what ya mean |
| 02:17.36 | Vasistha | name: I once almost installed BIND when all I needed was a silly little tool to look up hostnames in samba ... but people advised me to install bind, they didn't know any better, neither did I |
| 02:17.50 | cougar` | Well I have 1 network service that must start after another service, as in order |
| 02:18.15 | Vasistha | cougar`: /etc/rc* |
| 02:18.15 | name | Vasistha: lol |
| 02:18.33 | name | cougar`: when booting when booted |
| 02:18.36 | name | be exact |
| 02:18.42 | Ick | what's the name of the x.org package? |
| 02:18.47 | cougar` | name: rgr |
| 02:18.52 | name | cougar`: what? |
| 02:18.53 | cougar` | name: Oh... |
| 02:18.57 | cougar` | Hang on :P |
| 02:19.01 | Vasistha | name: a silly little apt-get install winbind and I was working, I could have spent hours reading some tutorial -- like yours -- to try to install bind, and all for naught |
| 02:19.13 | name | lol |
| 02:19.24 | name | Vasistha: "if you dont know what svn is, you REALLY dont need this" |
| 02:19.27 | name | :) |
| 02:19.32 | Vasistha | name: so that's why I always suggest people put a description of wtf is this before a tutorial |
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| 02:20.14 | Vasistha | name: yeah, you could do that, that's certainly better than nothing! However it does nothing to resolve people's curiousity. heck, just link to the wikipedia article on svn |
| 02:20.43 | name | Vasistha: that was joking ;) |
| 02:22.37 | name | http://127.0.0.1:81/mediawiki/index.php/Svnserve |
| 02:22.40 | name | oops |
| 02:22.41 | name | loool |
| 02:22.47 | name | just the url i gave you before |
| 02:22.49 | name | ^^ |
| 02:23.03 | name | http://62.178.2.83:8080/mediawiki/index.php/Svnserve |
| 02:23.23 | cougar` | name: I have a service called firehol, which is a iptables script manager, I have an ip blocker called moblock... moblock must run before firehol starts because firehol references chains moblock has created. |
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| 02:24.22 | name | cougar`: so? |
| 02:24.31 | name | ah lol |
| 02:24.33 | name | sorry |
| 02:24.36 | cougar` | LOL |
| 02:24.54 | name | cougar`: did you apt get both> |
| 02:24.55 | name | ? |
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| 02:25.20 | name | or installed em manuelle |
| 02:25.22 | name | or installed em manuelly |
| 02:25.25 | cougar` | Yes, I did |
| 02:25.31 | name | cougar`: should be fine anyway |
| 02:25.34 | cougar` | System links exist for both |
| 02:25.34 | simonrvn | cougar`: so edit the number moblock runs... man update-rc.d. look into rcconf, sysvconfig, etc. |
| 02:25.49 | name | simonrvn: apt does that anyway |
| 02:25.51 | name | simonrvn: doesn't it |
| 02:25.57 | name | cougar`: does it work? |
| 02:26.05 | name | cougar`: or does it start wrong way |
| 02:26.08 | cougar` | Not sure |
| 02:26.13 | cougar` | Have not restated box |
| 02:26.15 | name | not sure, umpf |
| 02:26.16 | cougar` | just wanted to confirm |
| 02:26.23 | name | apt should do it |
| 02:26.30 | cougar` | Number decides eh? |
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| 02:26.45 | name | cougar`: exactly |
| 02:26.50 | cougar` | rgr |
| 02:26.50 | simonrvn | name no |
| 02:26.53 | Ick | i just discovered that this computer had sarge installed onto it |
| 02:26.57 | name | simonrvn: it does |
| 02:27.07 | name | simonrvn: it creates the symlinks |
| 02:27.11 | Ick | how can i set it so it runs as etch? |
| 02:27.21 | name | simonrvn: and most likely the numbers are right |
| 02:27.22 | simonrvn | only if one is installed after the other. it doesn't set it to a particular one |
| 02:27.38 | simonrvn | of course it makes them, i'm not talking about that |
| 02:27.38 | name | here i hadn't had any conflicts |
| 02:27.47 | name | simonrvn: yeps and it does the right numbers |
| 02:27.48 | name | simonrvn: sooo |
| 02:27.55 | name | simonrvn: it starts the right way |
| 02:27.56 | name | right? |
| 02:28.02 | simonrvn | re-read |
| 02:28.07 | name | simonrvn: hm? |
| 02:28.14 | simonrvn | !tell name about enter |
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| 02:28.33 | name | yeye ok |
| 02:28.54 | name | im born like that :) its genetical, the enter usage |
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| 02:28.57 | name | :) |
| 02:28.59 | Ick | I have Sarge installed and want to upgrade to Etch. What should I do? |
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| 02:29.01 | dhuv | hello all |
| 02:29.13 | name | Ick: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:29.19 | name | stable --> testing |
| 02:29.22 | name | apt-get update |
| 02:29.28 | Ick | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:29.30 | name | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:29.32 | Ick | righto |
| 02:29.33 | Ick | thanks |
| 02:29.40 | name | no problems |
| 02:30.11 | jair | if you upgrade you will run into some problems :( I had a bad experience, so I will recomend, backup all files and then install eth |
| 02:30.17 | simonrvn | no one is born to hit enter every second word |
| 02:30.22 | dhuv | I am trying to configure proftpd to user www-data's uid (33) for all virtual users but it does not like to use uids < 100, does anybody know what kind of an effect I would have if I were to change the uid of www-data to be > 100? |
| 02:30.32 | name | simonrvn: i am :) |
| 02:30.38 | dhuv | would I just have to restart apache or would I have to restart the server? |
| 02:30.41 | name | jair: well not that bad |
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| 02:30.46 | Ick | jair: this computer is new |
| 02:30.52 | name | jair: i once updated frome woody to sarge |
| 02:30.55 | Ick | someone installed sarge onto it as a favor |
| 02:30.58 | name | then i installed sid :) |
| 02:31.14 | jair | Ick: what is wrong with sarge? |
| 02:31.16 | name | jair: just gnome was broken, who cares? :) |
| 02:31.27 | jair | Ick: I use it and is " Stable Enough" |
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| 02:31.50 | name | my os joined |
| 02:31.52 | simonrvn | that's like saying you were born with a keyboard, typing on it, legibly |
| 02:31.52 | Ick | jair: for some reason, xfree86 doesn't want to let me use anything except for 800x600 |
| 02:31.58 | Ick | and i have a 17" monitor |
| 02:32.05 | name | simonrvn: i was ;) |
| 02:32.09 | sid | What is up with mawk... There normal awk doesn't come with debian by default? Do other distributions of GNU / Linux do this also? |
| 02:32.13 | name | simonrvn: it's included in my stomach :D |
| 02:32.15 | simonrvn | anyway, *plonk* |
| 02:32.19 | jair | I am one of those who believe in a very good really better OS than any other one out there, but for that a lot of work and sacrify has to be done |
| 02:32.33 | name | sid: it doesnt? |
| 02:32.35 | sid | awk 'length($2) == 8 { print }' |
| 02:32.40 | sid | That doesn't work in debian |
| 02:32.42 | sid | name I guess not |
| 02:32.44 | name | error |
| 02:32.57 | sid | name I'm using unstable so it might be different from you |
| 02:33.24 | name | i am using sid too |
| 02:33.24 | Ick | hmm, my download maxes out at 220 for this server |
| 02:33.24 | Ick | maybe i should have chosen something else |
| 02:33.24 | cougar` | name: I am confused right now. I see firehol on 3 levels, rc0, rc6 and rcS, I see moblock at rc0 thru 6. Firehol's number is S36 and moblock number is K20 .. so what will start first? |
| 02:33.24 | sid | name do you have awk installed or mawk? |
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| 02:33.29 | sid | name dpkg -al|grep -i awk |
| 02:33.29 | sid | show me that |
| 02:33.30 | name | wait |
| 02:33.50 | simonrvn | cougar`: K is stop (kill), S is start |
| 02:33.58 | name | i own a awk book |
| 02:34.06 | simonrvn | again, man update-rc.d |
| 02:34.14 | cougar` | So why would firehol be killed? |
| 02:34.15 | simonrvn | man runlevels might help too |
| 02:34.26 | cougar` | simon okay |
| 02:34.31 | name | hm |
| 02:34.36 | name | it says oawk is the old one |
| 02:34.46 | name | though debian hasn't got tha' at all |
| 02:34.59 | sid | There is an original-awk package. |
| 02:35.04 | name | i know i know |
| 02:35.11 | name | im confused |
| 02:35.15 | sid | But there is like mawk bawk gawk and original-awk |
| 02:35.20 | sid | And I have this weird one mawk I've never heard of. |
| 02:35.22 | name | sid: i know |
| 02:35.25 | sid | lol |
| 02:35.32 | name | sid: i have sid, i have apt :) |
| 02:35.48 | sid | I wanted to make a little script that would work on all linux distributions. |
| 02:35.51 | name | ahh my stomach(keyboard) hurts |
| 02:35.55 | sid | Guess I can't use *awk* |
| 02:36.05 | name | sid: you can |
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| 02:36.12 | name | well guys |
| 02:36.24 | sid | awk 'length($2) == 8 { print }' |
| 02:36.25 | name | how to find out to which package a file belongs |
| 02:36.33 | simonrvn | do a check for the kind of awk |
| 02:36.35 | sid | That works in original awk, but not in *some* other awks. Like mawk(default for debina) |
| 02:36.43 | sid | name dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 02:37.17 | name | sid: wont work |
| 02:37.21 | name | /home/name # dpkg -S /usr/bin/awk With great power comes great responsibility |
| 02:37.21 | name | dpkg: /usr/bin/awk not found. |
| 02:37.27 | name | that's my prompt |
| 02:37.41 | sid | name it's just a symbolic link. |
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| 02:37.48 | sid | name: ls -al /usr/bin/awk |
| 02:37.52 | name | ah doesnt follow |
| 02:37.54 | name | damn |
| 02:38.04 | simonrvn | or, check the syntax for each, and test based on the awk in use, or select it depending |
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| 02:38.19 | sid | ls -al /etc/alternatives/awk |
| 02:38.32 | name | the are joking |
| 02:38.34 | name | gawk |
| 02:38.35 | name | i have |
| 02:38.42 | name | and that thing gives no syntax error |
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| 02:39.40 | mung | anyone know what I'm supposed to do with the firmware for this Intersil ISL3890 Prism PCI card? |
| 02:39.58 | mung | I have the sodding prism54 driver in my kernel |
| 02:40.12 | sid | name: It doesn't give a syntax error. It just doesn't work. |
| 02:40.36 | mung | I have never needed firmware for anything before |
| 02:40.55 | name | sid: that won't work anyway ^^ |
| 02:40.59 | name | sid: for there's no input |
| 02:41.09 | name | o.0 |
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| 02:41.59 | sid | name: right, my command is cat file|awk 'length($2) == 8 { print }' |
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| 02:42.55 | name | and is there a second colum with 8 caracters |
| 02:42.55 | name | ? |
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| 02:44.44 | name | sid: does tha' mean no? o.0 |
| 02:44.45 | sid | name yes |
| 02:44.50 | name | sid: there is? |
| 02:44.57 | name | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.37 | sid | name: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/64VesW77.html |
| 02:45.55 | Vasistha | name: oh, another thought - you might mention opening up the firewall / network settings to allow svn connections |
| 02:45.55 | sid | name: I tried using mawk/gawk/original-awk and all give me the same results. |
| 02:46.17 | name | Vasistha: on that port |
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| 02:48.38 | name | try print $0 |
| 02:49.22 | Vasistha | sid: have you tried 'cut'? |
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| 02:49.50 | name | sid: |
| 02:49.51 | Vasistha | sid: oh, excuse me, I didn't read the question right :P |
| 02:49.58 | name | oops |
| 02:50.05 | name | hmm |
| 02:50.07 | name | works here |
| 02:50.26 | sid | name: $0 doesn't matter |
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| 02:50.45 | sid | name: print the command you type in here |
| 02:50.57 | sid | And do an md5sum of your binary so I can compare with mine. please |
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| 02:51.54 | name | cat test2 | awk 'length($2) == 8 { print }' |
| 02:51.58 | name | cta contains that |
| 02:52.04 | name | gawk |
| 02:52.06 | name | you need |
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| 02:54.10 | sid | I tried gawk |
| 02:54.35 | name | so |
| 02:54.53 | name | ~ $ cat test2 | gawk 'length($2) == 8 { print }' |
| 02:54.55 | name | works too |
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| 02:57.59 | sid | name: my file is dos line delimited |
| 02:58.11 | sid | dos ends its lines with an archaeic carriage return and newline sequence |
| 02:58.31 | sid | unix being comparatively modern doesn't assume it's connected to an electronic teletype (printer) and hence line delimits with a bare newline |
| 02:58.39 | sid | tr -d '\r' < file |awk 'length($2) == 8' |
| 02:58.49 | sid | So that works... but this does not # awk 'length($2) == 8' |
| 02:58.52 | sid | not alone at least |
| 02:59.25 | Kevin` | and even if it is connected to one, files are files, they don't have more then one line of data per line |
| 02:59.35 | fork | How does debians autodetect hardware compare to ubuntu's? |
| 02:59.45 | sid | ie, dos ends a line with "\r\n", while unix ends with "\n".. it's not usually obvious because \r isn't normally a printable char |
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| 03:00.20 | sid | fork: Well we're both open source...so one isn't that much better then the other. Since we can just copy what they have.(they did copy what we have a few years ago) |
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| 03:00.40 | sid | fork: I've never used Ubuntu. But I would imagine it's very similar if there is any difference at all. |
| 03:01.00 | stoned | is sid short for something? |
| 03:01.21 | Kevin` | ubuntu's major 'selling point' is easy configuration, i'd hope it at least tries to be better |
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| 03:01.48 | stoned | or is it actually a name, like I know sid _is_ a name, but is it a real name? I mean like Tony/Anthony etc. |
| 03:02.01 | stoned | I gave ubuntu plenty of shots |
| 03:02.03 | simonrvn | Sid? yes, short for sidney |
| 03:02.09 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:02.16 | name | LoL |
| 03:02.37 | stoned | well |
| 03:02.46 | stoned | that shows you how familiar with white people I am ehehe :) |
| 03:02.54 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 03:04.39 | shambala | hi im from mexico i need help i cant find a web that have a lot of tutorials and howto of debian |
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| 03:05.26 | simonrvn | what sort of howto or tutorial? |
| 03:05.51 | dfg | anyone here know about LVM? |
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| 03:09.59 | Alan_Hicks | Howdy. Hope some one out there can help me. |
| 03:10.37 | Alan_Hicks | I just got "thrown to the wolves" so to speak. I need to change the root password on a couple debian servers running NIS. As I've never used NIS and don't know the NIS password, I'm presented with a problem. |
| 03:10.58 | Alan_Hicks | Anytime I try to use the passwd command, it asks me for the NIS server password. |
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| 03:13.31 | Jenkens | Alan_Hicks: you may not get answers tonight, it's a bit on the late side. I have no solutions for you |
| 03:13.59 | Alan_Hicks | Thanks anyhow. |
| 03:14.25 | dfg | can someone help me device-mapper? |
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| 03:22.39 | Alan_Hicks | If I disable the NIS service, I can change my UNIX password just fine, but when I try to log in at the console with it, I am unable to do so. |
| 03:22.59 | Alan_Hicks | Is there something I need to change in PAM? |
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| 03:39.28 | abrotman | Alan_Hicks: do you even know the NIS password? |
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| 03:43.16 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 03:43.44 | Master_Medic | when you upgrade to etch are you supposed to change sources.list entries from stable to testing or are you suposed to add new testing entries? |
| 03:44.21 | abrotman | use etch instead of testing |
| 03:44.37 | abrotman | and you change them .. not add them |
| 03:45.05 | Master_Medic | okay thanks |
| 03:45.10 | Master_Medic | :] |
| 03:45.13 | Master_Medic | what about security? |
| 03:45.18 | Master_Medic | change the security entry as well? |
| 03:45.22 | abrotman | /msg dpkg testing security |
| 03:45.31 | Master_Medic | also should i add non free testing entries? |
| 03:45.37 | abrotman | that's up to you |
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| 03:45.51 | Master_Medic | what are the benefits of doing that? |
| 03:46.03 | dylan_ | for a desktop system |
| 03:46.16 | abrotman | dylan_: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't be using it |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | Master_Medic: you get non-free software |
| 03:46.40 | dylan_ | abrotman, why not? isn't Ubuntu sid? |
| 03:46.44 | abrotman | no |
| 03:47.08 | dylan_ | ok |
| 03:48.24 | Master_Medic | i should change "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main" to "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main" |
| 03:48.30 | abrotman | IMO yes |
| 03:48.35 | Master_Medic | ? |
| 03:48.40 | abrotman | !imo |
| 03:48.41 | dpkg | [imo] In My Opinion |
| 03:48.48 | Master_Medic | ok |
| 03:49.11 | Master_Medic | so right now i only have 3 entries in sources.list, what should i add for the nonfree sources? |
| 03:49.20 | abrotman | !tell Master_Medic about non-free |
| 03:49.53 | Master_Medic | ic |
| 03:50.30 | Master_Medic | so for security i should have both the free and the non free entries? |
| 03:50.53 | abrotman | if you're using them both for regular repositories |
| 03:51.12 | Master_Medic | hmm ic |
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| 03:52.22 | Master_Medic | from what i got in /msg dpkg testing security it seems like to check for updates i should do "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade"? is that right? |
| 03:52.44 | Master_Medic | because what i've been doing to update everything is "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 03:53.09 | abrotman | you can do either .. man aptitude to understand the difference |
| 03:53.21 | Master_Medic | okay |
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| 03:54.53 | Master_Medic | ah ic what it is now thanks :] |
| 03:56.51 | Master_Medic | okay another question |
| 03:57.07 | Master_Medic | when i do aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and it says some packages have been kept back what does that mean? |
| 03:57.10 | Master_Medic | and why does it do it? |
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| 04:03.33 | abrotman | !held back |
| 04:03.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 04:03.46 | hardbop200 | Master_Medic: funny you should ask that...I just got on this channel to ask the exact same thing... |
| 04:03.54 | Master_Medic | lol |
| 04:04.18 | abrotman | ok .. everyone got their answer ? |
| 04:04.28 | Master_Medic | indeed |
| 04:04.32 | hardbop200 | I did, however to an apt-get update | apt-get upgrade | apt-get dist-upgrade, and it got everything :) |
| 04:04.36 | Master_Medic | would you recommend a dist-upgrade?/ |
| 04:04.42 | hardbop200 | abrotman: yes, thank you :) |
| 04:04.47 | abrotman | hardbop200: installl the package explicitly |
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| 04:06.53 | hardbop200 | abrotman: I just wanted the newest kernel, apt-get dist-upgrade got it |
| 04:06.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:07.05 | myboxen | :) |
| 04:07.21 | Master_Medic | i didnt really want anything it was just bugging me that thigns werent being upgraded |
| 04:07.43 | hardbop200 | what other |
| 04:07.46 | twotwenty | how do i give a user a ssh access? |
| 04:07.48 | Dewi | anyone know off-hand what kernel I am likely to need for areca support? |
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| 04:07.56 | hardbop200 | (ignore that, accidentally hit enter too quick) |
| 04:07.58 | ice_1963 | well the newest kernel is 2.5.17-1 :) |
| 04:07.58 | Master_Medic | cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client |
| 04:08.11 | twotwenty | let's say there's a username 'unknown1' how do i give it a ssh access? |
| 04:08.21 | hardbop200 | ice_1963: ? |
| 04:08.23 | ice_1963 | 2.6 |
| 04:09.44 | ice_1963 | hardbop200: the new kernel-image in sid right is 2.6.17-1 |
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| 04:10.02 | hardbop200 | yea, I know...that's why the 2.5 typo threw me :) |
| 04:10.22 | ice_1963 | lol i know |
| 04:10.24 | holycow | *hmmm* so far my research points that adaptec hardware raid solutions are the most reliable. they seem to be one of the few handfull of companies providing source code to drivers too |
| 04:10.49 | bluefox83 | where can i get help for games like doom3 in linux? |
| 04:10.56 | Dewi | holycow: there are Free areca drivers |
| 04:11.05 | abrotman | bluefox83: from id |
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| 04:11.27 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i can't seem to find any soliutions to my issues on their websites...are you sure? |
| 04:11.36 | holycow | Dewi, is areca a reliable brand? i've only heard about them for the first time a bit earlier in here? |
| 04:11.48 | Dewi | they are new and very high performance |
| 04:11.56 | holycow | sounds pricey |
| 04:11.58 | abrotman | bluefox83: is it open source? |
| 04:12.02 | Dewi | holycow: probably |
| 04:12.21 | Dewi | holycow: this is donated hardware for openbsd driver dev |
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| 04:12.34 | Dewi | holycow: we were hoping to get it up in linux first |
| 04:12.34 | holycow | Dewi, oh really? |
| 04:12.37 | jmd | Whenever I start gnome, I get a warning message about unavailable applets, which it's going to remove. It says I wont get this message again, but it's lying. It always comes up with this annoying message whenever I log in. How do I get rid of it? |
| 04:12.41 | holycow | Dewi, neat |
| 04:12.53 | Dewi | holycow: there is some kind of custom sarge iso here that says it should support it |
| 04:13.05 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i don't think so, you have to buy the windows version then download the linux installer for free and use it to install the game |
| 04:13.07 | Dewi | is there a detailed changelog somewhere for debian's kernels? |
| 04:13.56 | holycow | Dewi, i'd like to settle on a manufacturer that understand WHY drivers must be open source |
| 04:14.13 | Dewi | holycow: such manufacturers do exist |
| 04:14.38 | abrotman | bluefox83: so it's not supported here |
| 04:16.07 | Dewi | holycow: well, most of them have GPL stuff for the actual I/O |
| 04:16.10 | bluefox83 | abrotman, s'why i asked where i could find the support instead of asking you to help me fix it :) |
| 04:16.14 | abrotman | holycow: iirc .. their drivers are OSS .. but the tools are not .. but i can't remember |
| 04:16.17 | Dewi | holycow: it's consistent management openbsd is interested in |
| 04:16.23 | abrotman | bluefox83: and i told you 'id' .. why are you arguing ? |
| 04:16.24 | ice_1963 | is this a good place to learn how to get my firewall and router built? http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/ |
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| 04:16.25 | Dewi | abrotman: exactly |
| 04:16.32 | holycow | Dewi, its time for an online store to be created just for gnu centric hardware |
| 04:16.48 | holycow | abrotman, *nod* seems same with adaptec |
| 04:16.48 | abrotman | !tell ice_1963 about iptables |
| 04:16.49 | Dewi | heh |
| 04:16.57 | abrotman | holycow: i was referring to adaptic |
| 04:16.59 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i'm not argueing...and ID doesn't offer support for their own linux client :( |
| 04:17.00 | abrotman | adaptec |
| 04:17.11 | abrotman | bluefox83: try quakenet |
| 04:17.13 | Dewi | yeah even adaptec did not have Free management tools |
| 04:17.19 | holycow | abrotman, ah! Dewi woul areca management tool be open source? |
| 04:17.21 | Dewi | adaptec = shit |
| 04:17.28 | Dewi | holycow: not yet |
| 04:17.35 | holycow | Dewi, well just kinda browsing around adaptec gives me the willies |
| 04:17.46 | holycow | its clear they only released source after a whole lot of people made noise |
| 04:17.50 | holycow | for a long time |
| 04:17.53 | bluefox83 | abrotman, thanks |
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| 04:19.50 | holycow | areca.us isn't their website i take it? |
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| 04:22.13 | holycow | Dewi, you guys running scsi or sata on that? |
| 04:22.45 | farous | hi i am thinking of buying a comstar 250 3.5" external hard drive and was wondering how well supported it is on debian etch? if any used comstar i would appreciate their feedback for the company is totally new to me |
| 04:22.56 | Dewi | holycow: sata |
| 04:23.17 | holycow | ah! okay. scsi here |
| 04:24.31 | holycow | farous, what do you mean supported? if its an hd its supported via ata, sata, scsi interfaces. if you are doing an external drive, it will most likely be in a usb enclosure, and for that you need nothing except to have the righ file system on the hd |
| 04:26.20 | farous | holycow: thanx yah it will an external drive and was just afraid linux will not recognize it. or won't be able to mount it. Thank you again now i know. Newbie here :) |
| 04:26.27 | jmd | What do I need to tweek to get X to start with a different nice value ? |
| 04:26.53 | holycow | farous, won't be a prob |
| 04:27.06 | farous | great thanx again |
| 04:28.03 | holycow | areca seems to only do sata controllers. *hmm* |
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| 04:30.50 | holycow | Dewi, lol, they indeed seem to have a debian iso available via some users link to install sarge with the driver support built in |
| 04:30.51 | holycow | neat |
| 04:31.42 | holycow | fark, only sata tho, i would like to try them if debian users are already creating isos with support |
| 04:31.43 | holycow | heh |
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| 04:39.43 | bucky | holycow: if you need support for newer scsi controllers http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 04:40.34 | holycow | bucky, oh neat, i haven't googled into that |
| 04:40.36 | holycow | sweet thx |
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| 04:40.42 | bucky | np |
| 04:40.43 | macgeek | how do I uninstall dancer-ircd? |
| 04:41.13 | a1fa|64 | apt-get remove dancer-ircd |
| 04:41.25 | macgeek | a1fa|64: ah, thank you |
| 04:41.40 | a1fa|64 | np |
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| 04:55.43 | Dewi | holycow: yeah I'm using that iso now |
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| 05:03.33 | epsilon | due to manpage yes: "A field may be an asterisk (*), which always stands for ``first-last''." |
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| 05:03.51 | Master_Medic | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main locales 2.3.6-17 |
| 05:03.51 | Master_Medic | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.02 | Master_Medic | on aptitude upgrade |
| 05:04.53 | epsilon | take another mirror |
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| 05:05.26 | Master_Medic | whats another mirror? |
| 05:07.05 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:07.09 | minerale | what is the linux equivalent of Solaris' crle (to setup library paths) ? |
| 05:09.18 | SleeperZ | Hey does anyone have any tips on booting a 2.6.16 kernel (Debian Sarge) migrated to mdraid 1 (I have it booting off /dev/sda, but keep getting cramfs: wrong magic booting off /dev/md0) - I suspect udev might be part of the problem? |
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| 05:14.25 | Munchkinguy | Are there any good Scrabble-type games for Debian (aside from the text-based one)? |
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| 05:22.03 | Darklock | Munchkinguy: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=scrabble§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
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| 05:24.40 | Munchkinguy | Darklock: Thank you |
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| 05:51.06 | Marshman | hey quick question what was the grep function to search for a string in a a directory? |
| 05:51.14 | Marshman | grep -l?..i forgot. |
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| 05:56.01 | SleeperZ | Marshman: grep -Rl string directory/ ? |
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| 06:10.53 | edward | anybody ever setup teergrube with exim? |
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| 06:22.57 | rockstar_ | Now, THEORETICALLY, all I need to do to enable X forwarding through ssh is change X11Forward to "yes" in /etc/ssh_config correct? |
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| 06:23.41 | lindi- | rockstar_: sshd_config as well and apt-get install xbase-clients |
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| 06:28.44 | m1ke_l | which package includes glibs? |
| 06:29.52 | streuner | glibc? |
| 06:30.15 | m1ke_l | i think so |
| 06:30.25 | streuner | For what do you need that? |
| 06:30.29 | m1ke_l | gaim |
| 06:30.31 | liable | hehe |
| 06:30.43 | streuner | m1ke_l: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:32.44 | rockstar_ | Is there a simple app that shows the wlans in the area, like what kismet does, without the detail to drivers? |
| 06:33.15 | pstickne | rockstar_, can you just control the verbosity? |
| 06:33.28 | liable | rockstar_: iwlist? |
| 06:34.05 | m1ke_l | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:34.14 | m1ke_l | so i have glib installed right? |
| 06:34.19 | streuner | m1ke_l: sure |
| 06:34.41 | m1ke_l | but: |
| 06:34.44 | m1ke_l | checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no |
| 06:34.49 | m1ke_l | during gaim install |
| 06:34.52 | streuner | m1ke_l: but you need fulfill some other depends in order to compile a deb, just /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:35.39 | bvs | install the dev package? libc6-dev |
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| 06:37.40 | streuner | !info libglib2.0-dev sarge |
| 06:37.47 | dpkg | libglib2.0-dev: (Development files for the GLib library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 1731 kB |
| 06:38.17 | streuner | but it doesn't hurt (TM) if you have build-essentials installed.. |
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| 06:40.02 | rockstar_ | pstickne, No, 'cause the ndiswrapper doesn't work with kismet. |
| 06:40.08 | m1ke_l | the dev package helped...not failing on gtk error |
| 06:40.09 | rockstar_ | It's a buddies laptop |
| 06:40.40 | streuner_ | as we said before (simple sid backport) is painless |
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| 06:41.01 | streuner_ | it installs everything you need |
| 06:41.09 | m1ke_l | streuner: you talkin' to me? |
| 06:41.14 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 06:41.15 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 06:41.21 | streuner_ | !simple sid backport |
| 06:41.22 | dpkg | i heard simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 06:41.25 | m1ke_l | oh...ok...ill read more... |
| 06:41.26 | m1ke_l | thanks |
| 06:41.28 | streuner_ | !info gaim |
| 06:41.33 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-5 (sid), Packaged size: 874 kB, Installed size: 2140 kB |
| 06:42.23 | streuner_ | m1ke_l: ^^^ the version from unstable |
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| 06:44.05 | m1ke_l | oh...that wont work for me |
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| 06:44.16 | m1ke_l | unstable is to flacky, so i am using stable |
| 06:44.29 | m1ke_l | but, stable does not have gaim-meanwhile so i roll from source |
| 06:44.38 | m1ke_l | which has dependancies i have to meet |
| 06:44.58 | m1ke_l | but gaim-meanwhile needs newer gaim than stable, etc etc etc |
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| 06:45.05 | streuner_ | well, simple sid backport is a way to install a package out of unstable to stable |
| 06:45.27 | m1ke_l | SMACK! i read "sid" as stable |
| 06:45.31 | m1ke_l | oops |
| 06:45.43 | m1ke_l | problems with working at 3 a.m.! |
| 06:45.52 | streuner_ | oh, that makes sense then... |
| 06:46.04 | lindi- | apt-get --build source gaim worked for me |
| 06:46.31 | m1ke_l | lindi: you on stable or unstable |
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| 06:47.07 | lindi- | m1ke_l: i am on stable but i using unstable's "deb-src" |
| 06:47.18 | lindi- | +am |
| 06:47.39 | m1ke_l | i see...trying it now... |
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| 06:48.33 | pstickne | m1ke_l, testing and kopete :p |
| 06:48.55 | m1ke_l | dpkg-source command not found |
| 06:48.58 | m1ke_l | boy im tired |
| 06:49.02 | pstickne | or maybe it was backports :( anyway, this version of kopete is excellent :P |
| 06:49.10 | m1ke_l | kopete? |
| 06:49.13 | m1ke_l | what be that? |
| 06:49.18 | m1ke_l | another chat? |
| 06:49.19 | pstickne | it's like GAIM only 100% better. |
| 06:49.22 | streuner_ | m1ke_l: install apt-file and run 'apt-file update' |
| 06:49.30 | streuner_ | !find dpkg-source |
| 06:49.33 | m1ke_l | does it have a Notes Sametime plugin? |
| 06:49.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dpkg-source' (1): (/usr/bin/dpkg-source) in utils/dpkg-dev. |
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| 06:50.01 | streuner_ | m1ke_l: hm, read pdo to find out |
| 06:50.01 | pstickne | m1ke_l, I was using GAIM on windows and then in slackware, but since I found Kopete... there's no going back. It does require kded (and dcopserver) but other *shrug* |
| 06:50.05 | fork | How does debians autodetect hardware compare to ubuntu's? |
| 06:50.16 | streuner_ | heh? |
| 06:50.17 | pstickne | m1ke_l, works fine in Gnome/XFCE |
| 06:50.37 | liable | fork: same, except ubuntu includes other shit in the kernel (like madwifi ipw3945 etc etc ) |
| 06:50.53 | basanta | stew, hi |
| 06:50.55 | streuner_ | fork: you have the choice between kudzu and debian's hardware detection tool ;-) |
| 06:51.22 | fork | streuner sorry im new to linux... just trying to make up my mind about wich distro to install |
| 06:51.39 | streuner_ | that's easy then :-) |
| 06:51.49 | streuner_ | just install debian :-) |
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| 06:52.13 | liable | fork: if you're new, give ubuntu a whirl, if you want to get more adventurous, try debian. (as far as automatically set up shits go) |
| 06:52.45 | pstickne | fork, I've tried slackware, SuSe and debian recently, debian has been the easiest to setup and use. |
| 06:53.02 | fork | pstickne easier then suse? |
| 06:53.05 | epsilon | not for beginne, BTW |
| 06:53.06 | liable | fork: if you really want to learn, go debian. (many people do this, but then crack the shits cause debian doesnt configure everything for them) |
| 06:53.16 | pstickne | fork, yes, have you tried using YaST2? |
| 06:53.34 | fork | pstickne no |
| 06:53.55 | pstickne | fork, it needs to die a horrid death. The installation process was like a very, very bad clone of the Win XP setup with multi-language support :( |
| 06:53.55 | epsilon | YaST is full pain in the ass |
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| 06:55.28 | fork | heh |
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| 06:56.12 | fork | ive decided to go either debian or ubuntu... just cant make up my mind |
| 06:56.23 | epsilon | last time I installed SuSe, it forced me (or didn't give ather hoice) to use ReiserFS and installed everything in one huge partition - that was last time I touched a SuSe-CD |
| 06:56.36 | streuner_ | fork: ok, just /msg why debian |
| 06:56.52 | streuner_ | !tell fork about why debian |
| 06:56.55 | pstickne | epsilon, I kept getting kicked out of the "auto install" so I got to the "expert install" part :P |
| 06:56.57 | stoned | streuner_, forgot the bonick |
| 06:57.07 | pstickne | epsilon, I have no idea how to get there otherwise. |
| 06:57.18 | bizinichi | Hi, I recently bought a crap computer for $130 dollars with a CRT monitor to put Debian Sarge on it. Being relatively unexperienced with Linux, I was wanting to eliminate the need of a monitor and become competent enough to use my box remotely via the internet (through a shell, I suppose). What would you suggest I would begin with? |
| 06:57.41 | pstickne | bizinichi, a computer attached to a monitor :) |
| 06:57.44 | epsilon | instal debian? |
| 06:57.48 | streuner_ | stoned: 'bonick'? |
| 06:57.53 | stoned | lol |
| 06:57.54 | stoned | botnick |
| 06:58.04 | stoned | bonick man, thats a cool word |
| 06:58.30 | bizinichi | pstickne, im confident that I can quickly pick up how to do things remotely if there was a reliable guidebook out there |
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| 06:59.13 | epsilon | bizinichi: default debian installation is already ready for remote-control via shell |
| 06:59.39 | epsilon | and if you still need GUI for any case, install VNC |
| 07:00.08 | bizinichi | epsilon: im installing the barebones version and doing net install and getting the needed components via dpkg |
| 07:00.23 | bizinichi | which packages should i get for remote-control via shell? |
| 07:00.35 | epsilon | 'barebones version'? |
| 07:00.38 | lindi- | bizinichi: apt-get install ssh |
| 07:00.52 | bizinichi | minimal install, I think? |
| 07:00.54 | epsilon | ssh, but that's already included in default installation |
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| 07:01.14 | lindi- | epsilon: what is default installation? |
| 07:01.32 | lindi- | epsilon: it's not in what debootstrap creates at least |
| 07:01.38 | pstickne | bizinichi, once you have SSH (or gasp, telnet) setup, it's just like logging in normal... pretty much. |
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| 07:01.53 | epsilon | lindi-: run through the setup programm by only pressing Enter |
| 07:02.11 | pstickne | bizinichi, once you get there you can play with VNC or X (running locally of course) with clients on the box. |
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| 07:02.38 | bizinichi | do i need to do apt-get install x-window system in order for any kind of vnc to work? |
| 07:03.10 | epsilon | part of it, check the dependency |
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| 07:04.00 | pstickne | bizinichi, VNC server should sit on top of X (so X runs on the box) and you run a local VNC client. |
| 07:04.34 | pstickne | I had lots of luck using cygwin X + ssh forwarding |
| 07:04.45 | llama32 | can anyone estimate how many mb of download it would take for me to, using sarge netinstall, download xorg, gtk2 and all dependancies [basically to get a XFCE4 desktop happening] |
| 07:04.53 | bizinichi | pstickne, I'm not really sure what you are talking about |
| 07:04.54 | pstickne | In a rootless mode so that the X windows integrated with windows' windows :) |
| 07:05.19 | pstickne | llama32, less then 4GB ;) |
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| 07:06.01 | epsilon | X forwarding is slow :/ |
| 07:06.36 | pstickne | epsilon, I only had problems with going from X clients in vmware to X in cygwin. Granted I wasn't trying to play games or anything :x |
| 07:07.04 | pstickne | epsilon, only 1.6Ghz P-M/512MB at the time, remote box was an early P-4. |
| 07:07.06 | llama32 | is there a way to make apt give me a list of files it needs to install something, so that i can go to school, eat up there bandwidth, and take it home, and install from those? |
| 07:07.16 | llama32 | files/urls |
| 07:07.56 | epsilon | just run apr-get <whatever> and sonfirm to download all incl dependencies? |
| 07:08.10 | pstickne | llama32, just grab the ISOs? |
| 07:08.12 | epsilon | gah, can't type anymore |
| 07:08.51 | pstickne | llama32, what machines do you have at school to use? Or can you interface? |
| 07:09.18 | llama32 | epsilon: if that was directed at me, what do you mean? i want to download them on a different machine... |
| 07:09.57 | epsilon | ok, then run apt-get update/install whatever and let you display all needed packages. At school, download these via www/ftp from any debian mirrir |
| 07:10.19 | chance2105 | llama32: IIRC, a full "desktop" install on my older x86 laptop -- which includes all of gnome, kde, and I believe openoffice .. was something like 600MB. |
| 07:10.44 | chance2105 | llama32: 600MB of downloaded files, using the net-install media. |
| 07:12.05 | llama32 | pstickne: macosx... it's connection is about 10-20x faster than my home one, but still pretty slow - i don't want to waste time downloading CDs when i only want a third of the stuff on them |
| 07:12.27 | llama32 | hmm cool, thanks chance2105 |
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| 07:39.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:39.40 | dpkg | hmm... qotd79 is <Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d |
| 07:39.53 | liable | heh |
| 07:40.35 | roxy_ | I got the same error using skim or scim-panel-kde: |
| 07:40.38 | roxy_ | Config module "socket"cannot be loaded, using dummy Config. |
| 07:40.38 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:49.26 | zonuck | can a client in a wlan be set up as a web server? |
| 07:49.41 | pstickne | zonuck, it doesn't apply. |
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| 07:49.50 | pstickne | zonuck, they operate on completely different levels. |
| 07:49.57 | dlg | zonuck: sure |
| 07:50.12 | pstickne | zonuck, wlan "client" has nothing to do with any upper-level "client" |
| 07:50.45 | pstickne | zonuck, it simply generally refers to the client/ap setup of 802.11whatever -- which is Layer1/2 |
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| 07:52.42 | hjubal | hola |
| 07:52.53 | zonuck | not sure if i understand the response so far. let me make it simple. i have a machine in a wlan. can't i use apache to make it a webserver? |
| 07:54.07 | zonuck | the question is: what would be its IP address? it can't be the local IP addr nor can it be the AP's IP addr. right? |
| 07:54.07 | marlowed | zonuck - sure - |
| 07:54.13 | eastwood|FrMa | hjubal, hola |
| 07:54.17 | eastwood|FrMa | estas bien? |
| 07:54.50 | hjubal | eastwood|FrMa, good, tnx ;) |
| 07:55.03 | eastwood|FrMa | zonuck, try using and aliase |
| 07:55.14 | eastwood|FrMa | to work around ip changes |
| 07:55.17 | eastwood|FrMa | an* |
| 07:56.09 | marlowed | zonuck - if i understand you - edit the ap's configuration setup to send requests to the local ip |
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| 07:56.34 | zonuck | marlowed: i tried it. i got myself a no-ip account. run apache on my machine. but i cannot access my index page fr the web. |
| 07:57.05 | eastwood|FrMa | weird |
| 07:57.47 | pstickne | zonuck, when you say no-ip account I'm assuming "no internet ip" account |
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| 07:58.04 | pstickne | zonuck, as you have an IP, it starts 192. or 176. or 10. doesn't it? |
| 07:58.13 | zonuck | pstickne:www.no-ip.org |
| 07:58.15 | marlowed | what do you mean 'no-ip' account? |
| 07:58.29 | mrparanoid | no-ip is a free dns |
| 07:58.31 | eastwood|FrMa | dyns dns |
| 07:59.03 | zonuck | pstickne: the machine IP is 192.168.0.x. |
| 07:59.17 | eastwood|FrMa | x ? |
| 07:59.22 | mrparanoid | when u say your trying to access it from the internet are you trying this from within your lan? |
| 07:59.38 | zonuck | mrparanoid: yeh. |
| 07:59.39 | eastwood|FrMa | forward port 80 to that private ip |
| 07:59.45 | mrparanoid | are you running a firewall? |
| 07:59.55 | zonuck | mrparanoid: no |
| 08:00.08 | marlowed | do what eastwood* says - in your ap's configuration |
| 08:00.12 | pstickne | zonuck, where do you get your IP from? |
| 08:00.16 | dlg | yay, my driver worked |
| 08:00.22 | mrparanoid | sometimes you cant go outside your lan and then back in |
| 08:00.37 | pstickne | mrparanoid, that's what tunnels are for ;) |
| 08:00.45 | zonuck | pstickne: this is a local IP after masking. |
| 08:01.04 | mrparanoid | has he got tunnels set up? |
| 08:01.08 | pstickne | zonuck, what IP does the other machine have that you are trying to use to access the server? |
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| 08:02.29 | zonuck | pstickne: that would be the free dns no-ip. i don't need to know that. |
| 08:03.13 | eastwood|FrMa | you router must forward the requests on port 80 to that machine |
| 08:03.38 | pstickne | zonuck, no-ip will only work with an internet-IP. you are using the IP of your router (and it is an internet-IP), right? |
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| 08:04.24 | zonuck | pstickne: the router or AP has an internet-IP, for sure. |
| 08:05.09 | zonuck | eastwood|FrMa: i need to config the AP for that? |
| 08:05.16 | pstickne | zonuck, yes |
| 08:05.19 | USMarine | you need to confif the router |
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| 08:05.32 | USMarine | to forward external requests on your internet ip |
| 08:05.38 | zonuck | OK, that may be what is missing. |
| 08:05.52 | USMarine | to be answered by the private ip of the webserver |
| 08:07.26 | liable | zonuck: its called port forwarding or on some routers 'virtual server' |
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| 08:08.18 | marlowed | you guys are being had |
| 08:08.37 | zonuck | if I config my AP for this purpose, does it mean that people who piggyback (wardrivers) can set up servers on their machines too? |
| 08:08.58 | yakup | hi |
| 08:08.59 | liable | zonuck: huh? |
| 08:09.07 | positron_ | tcp/ip experts here? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=471027 |
| 08:09.16 | liable | marlowed: wtf are you on about? or are you trolling? |
| 08:09.57 | marlowed | [02:08] <liable> zonuck: huh? |
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| 08:10.14 | liable | marlowed: and? |
| 08:10.38 | zonuck | liable: someone could connect to my network as a node and besides surfing the web, his machine can also become a server. right? |
| 08:10.49 | USMarine | ofc |
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| 08:11.15 | zonuck | USMarine: ofc, what's that? |
| 08:11.24 | USMarine | by the router will detected that the request is internal and he will resolve without asking the internet |
| 08:11.25 | liable | zonuck: no, unless you forwrd ports to that ip, and have you heard of wpa? |
| 08:12.01 | zonuck | liable: wep, wpa... i know them. i am assuming if i don't have them. |
| 08:12.38 | liable | zonuck: well, unless you also let them have access to your routers config, then no.. |
| 08:12.45 | vulture | zonuck: assuming you're talking about a NATing gateway - no, any computer behind it won't be addressable by the Internet at large |
| 08:13.16 | vulture | (until you setup port forwarding rules on the gateway - or if you have UPnP enabled some applications might setup forwards automatically - bit of a security risk) |
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| 08:14.35 | zonuck | liable: vulture: got it. |
| 08:14.41 | zonuck | thks. |
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| 08:35.43 | sanmarcos | woke up this morning, got myself a gun.. |
| 08:36.12 | liable | hrm, jimmy hendrix? |
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| 08:36.26 | marlowed | hmm first thing i do when i get up is check bugtraq |
| 08:36.58 | stoned | really |
| 08:37.08 | stoned | first thing I do when I get up is open my eye |
| 08:37.12 | liable | stoned: what song is that? |
| 08:37.15 | stoned | and then I go take a leak |
| 08:37.27 | stoned | then probably brush my teeth and wash my face |
| 08:37.32 | liable | sanmarcos: ^^ |
| 08:37.45 | sanmarcos | liable, sopranos intro |
| 08:37.51 | stoned | and then I get high |
| 08:38.03 | sanmarcos | "woke up this morning", Alabama 3 IIRC |
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| 08:39.38 | sanmarcos | liable, i.e http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6230262913155092708 the song goes like that |
| 08:39.53 | liable | ah, i am thinking of a doors song |
| 08:40.22 | liable | much better.. "woke up this morning and got myself a beer" :) |
| 08:40.22 | sanmarcos | yeah I saw jim morrison the other day |
| 08:40.33 | liable | sanmarcos: you live in paris? |
| 08:40.54 | sanmarcos | Notorious, I saw his mural in Venice Beach, he used to live in a sh*thole there |
| 08:41.15 | sanmarcos | but yes, I often see dead people also liable |
| 08:41.30 | liable | thats nice |
| 08:42.04 | sanmarcos | indeed brother, indeed |
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| 08:45.24 | lordy | Hello ppl. Using APT,I can't get GDM to install due to user/group errors. Any ideas? |
| 08:47.10 | lordy | #flood `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/gdm -g gdm -s /bin/false -u 115 gdm' returned error code 3. Exiting. |
| 08:48.23 | liable | have you checked bts for gdm/adduser? |
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| 08:48.37 | liable | s/adduser/useradd/ |
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| 08:50.36 | sanmarcos | apt-listbugs is great |
| 08:50.42 | sanmarcos | if you are running the instability |
| 08:50.58 | dlg | does it list linux as a bug? |
| 08:51.16 | sanmarcos | obviously, check Ubuntu's bug #1 |
| 08:52.08 | lordy | liable I did yesterday, but I couldn't be sure if it was reported |
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| 08:53.40 | Priest-of-Psi | hi all |
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| 08:54.12 | liable | !za |
| 08:54.12 | dpkg | hmm... za is the cctld for South Africa, or http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html |
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| 09:13.08 | krillr | anyone here that can tell me how to get xorg-7.0 to stop trying to open /dev/tty0 on etch? |
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| 09:13.55 | aubergine | Hi question to ppl with american tastatur layout: which is the colon button? |
| 09:14.04 | Vasistha | krillr: I probably couldn't tell you why, but I'll ask what the problem with it is, anyway |
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| 09:14.23 | krillr | Vasistha: tty0 doesn't exist, thats why. heh |
| 09:14.29 | Vasistha | aubergine is my favorite color, and your nick just happens to be purple :-) |
| 09:14.52 | aubergine | Hi question to ppl with american tastatur layout: which is the colon button? |
| 09:15.00 | Vasistha | aubergine: to answer your question: hjkl; HJKL: |
| 09:15.19 | aubergine | Have you smoked? |
| 09:15.28 | krillr | aubergine: the one you hit after the word "layout", obviously |
| 09:15.30 | Vasistha | smoked what? |
| 09:15.33 | krillr | aubergine: get out. |
| 09:15.51 | Vasistha | krillr: and is xorg unable to start because of the problem? |
| 09:15.57 | krillr | Vasistha: yup. |
| 09:15.59 | aubergine | HRHR your so funny |
| 09:16.21 | aubergine | my virtual machine runs with american layout not my pc |
| 09:16.21 | krillr | oh my... |
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| 09:16.29 | krillr | ah. heh |
| 09:16.41 | krillr | change your VM then? |
| 09:16.44 | roxy_ | any happy scim user around ? I just can't start using it :( |
| 09:16.49 | aubergine | iam in install mode ;) |
| 09:17.05 | krillr | and aubergine, what virtualization software are you using? |
| 09:17.05 | Vasistha | krillr: well, I will say that a number of people have been around here with missing items in their /dev trees ... I can give you the major and minor numbers for /dev/tty0 if you'd like to just create it |
| 09:17.06 | aubergine | know i need to type the stage3 tarball url |
| 09:17.13 | Vasistha | aubergine: I tried to tell you: hjkl; HJKL: |
| 09:17.14 | aubergine | iam using vmware |
| 09:17.23 | liable | aubergine: um, wrong chanell dude |
| 09:17.30 | krillr | Vasistha: that wont work, as i would require the access to said device, and the virtualization software that my VM is running on, wont let me create tty devices |
| 09:17.30 | aubergine | hjkl; ? |
| 09:17.49 | krillr | i already know tty0 is character special 4/0 |
| 09:17.50 | krillr | heh |
| 09:17.53 | aubergine | which button on your tastur is for colon, thats what i want to know |
| 09:17.54 | Vasistha | aubergine: the colon is to the right of the L key, dude, I'm trying to communicate here :P |
| 09:18.05 | aubergine | ash ok |
| 09:18.08 | aubergine | ty |
| 09:18.13 | krillr | no prob. heh |
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| 09:18.23 | krillr | the colon is two keys to the left of enter |
| 09:18.39 | krillr | enter is the third key down from the top right of the main keys. |
| 09:18.44 | aubergine | in .de its ö or oe |
| 09:18.54 | krillr | the main keys are located on the lower left-hand side of the keyboard |
| 09:18.57 | krillr | etc etc etc :-p |
| 09:19.14 | krillr | aubergine: next time you may want to google for an image of a US standard keyboard layout ;-) |
| 09:19.32 | danf_1979 | When modifying /etc/hosts is there something to reload afterwards? or is the new config used inmediately? |
| 09:19.51 | aubergine | i have 9 diktrine |
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| 09:20.04 | krillr | its used immediately, but if you wish you can restart network... :-p |
| 09:20.06 | Vasistha | danf_1979: I believe it refreshes automatically from time to time, but if you want it immediately, there is a way... |
| 09:20.38 | Vasistha | danf_1979: err ... actually, I was thinking of something different |
| 09:21.06 | Vasistha | danf_1979: yeah, you don't need to restart anything for that -- it is simply used when you go to look something up by machine name |
| 09:21.11 | danf_1979 | uhm, I found this google |
| 09:21.12 | danf_1979 | > after makeing changes to /ect/hosts do you have to reload the file |
| 09:21.12 | danf_1979 | > somehow or do the effects take immediately |
| 09:21.13 | danf_1979 | Changes take place immediately. |
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| 09:21.22 | danf_1979 | woops |
| 09:21.29 | krillr | hahahaha #flood. nice |
| 09:21.34 | danf_1979 | :) |
| 09:21.43 | Vasistha | danf_1979: uh, yeah, that would seem to be consistent with our answers. |
| 09:21.57 | danf_1979 | thanks Vasistha |
| 09:22.28 | krillr | funny, i thought i was the one who said it was loaded immediately... ;-) |
| 09:22.31 | krillr | meh. |
| 09:22.57 | krillr | ok so i have this VPS running on virtuozzo on some 64-bit opteron box in a datacenter in philadelphia through a company known as tektonic |
| 09:22.59 | Vasistha | krillr: I changed my mind :P |
| 09:23.03 | krillr | :-p |
| 09:23.06 | krillr | i am trying to set up nxserver |
| 09:23.11 | krillr | this requires a working Xserver install |
| 09:23.16 | krillr | xorg is not working |
| 09:23.25 | Vasistha | (slap forehead) |
| 09:23.29 | krillr | its trying to gain access to something that, for all intents and purposes, does not exist |
| 09:23.41 | krillr | previous versions of xorg (xorg 6.9) do not do this |
| 09:23.46 | krillr | however, etch hath not packages for 6.9 |
| 09:23.48 | krillr | only 7.0.22 |
| 09:24.00 | Vasistha | krillr: can you redirect stdout and strerr to /dev/null ? |
| 09:24.14 | krillr | Vasistha: mayhaps... |
| 09:24.24 | Vasistha | krillr: or just to a log |
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| 09:25.24 | Vasistha | krillr: oh, also, have you tried #xorg |
| 09:25.32 | krillr | nobody useful is alive in #xorg |
| 09:26.07 | Vasistha | ...well, it's not exactly freenode peak hours |
| 09:28.09 | krillr | heh, ya no doubt |
| 09:28.17 | krillr | ya redirecting them didnt do jack |
| 09:29.15 | krillr | actually, the startx script is already set to do that. redirect them to /dev/null |
| 09:29.16 | krillr | heh |
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| 09:36.51 | krillr | xorg is a piece of shit |
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| 09:40.11 | krillr | im off |
| 09:40.12 | krillr | peace |
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| 09:48.31 | positron_ | tcp/ip experts here? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=471027 |
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| 09:56.36 | CAiRO | how can i make the gtk file chooser not show all mountable devices in the bookmarks area? |
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| 10:05.34 | zonuck | has the Lebanon cease-fire materialised? |
| 10:05.57 | zonuck | sorry, wrong channel. |
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| 10:06.42 | Vasistha | CAiRO: well, F9 in konqueror *hides* the side bar, don't know if that's the behavior you want, or if the gtk system uses any of the same keyboard shortcuts |
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| 10:07.36 | CAiRO | Vasistha: well, i actually use the bookmakrs frm the side bar, its just that i have to scroll down every time because it shows all the mountable devices above my own bookmarks |
| 10:07.52 | Vasistha | CAiRO: ohh, how annoying! |
| 10:08.10 | CAiRO | yes, i thought so too :) |
| 10:09.44 | Vasistha | CAiRO: you might check and see if it's possible to just hide all devices from that list |
| 10:10.14 | CAiRO | well, that was my initial question, where would i start to check for it? |
| 10:10.44 | Vasistha | CAiRO: in the menus, in the preferences |
| 10:11.10 | Vasistha | I would kinda expect that you'd already been through all that before asking here, but it never hurts to check again :P |
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| 10:11.35 | CoolFox31 | hi all |
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| 10:13.36 | CAiRO | Vasistha: well, i don't really know where to start looking, eg when i search for gtk file chooser and "mountable devices" on google, it doesn't really provide any usefull results |
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| 10:14.00 | Vasistha | CAiRO: have you gone into the preferences and just combed it? |
| 10:14.31 | CAiRO | preferences of what? |
| 10:14.36 | CAiRO | sorry, im quite new to gnome |
| 10:14.50 | CAiRO | i thought gtk was a library that doesn't have preferences |
| 10:14.56 | CAiRO | except for some env variables maybe |
| 10:15.02 | basanta | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 10:15.18 | basanta | how to get rid of this error |
| 10:16.18 | blondie | basanta: read the topic |
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| 10:17.33 | roger21 | !ws |
| 10:17.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ws is short for workstation |
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| 10:18.49 | roger21 | (i was looking for samoa) |
| 10:19.18 | Vasistha | CAiRO: actually, ~/.gtkrc-2.0 has preferences for gtk |
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| 10:20.32 | Vasistha | dpkg: ws is also the cctld for American Samoa |
| 10:20.32 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
| 10:20.56 | Vasistha | wait, is that right? :P |
| 10:23.15 | Vasistha | damn, that's exactly wrong. |
| 10:23.49 | Vasistha | dpkg: no, ws is short for workstation; .ws is the cctld for Western Samoa |
| 10:23.49 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
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| 10:26.34 | msn | i have been trying to enable dynamic dns update in bind 9.3.2 to allow win 2k+3 Domain controller to create SRV records but I am still hitting a wall |
| 10:26.53 | CAiRO | Vasistha: ok, thanks for the hint, now i found some gtkrc settings for the file chooser, but only for key bindings, no real config settings |
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| 10:27.51 | Vasistha | CAiRO: yeah, keep looking, gtkrc settings are a pain in the ass to find |
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| 10:32.38 | CAiRO | Vasistha: hmm, i've looked it up in the gtk docs, the GtkFileChooser doesn't have any properties to influence the bookmarks |
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| 10:34.14 | Vasistha | CAiRO: I'm still kinda curious which file chooser you're referring to, and if it's a gtk 1 or 2 issue |
| 10:34.31 | CAiRO | the new gtk2 file chooser |
| 10:34.48 | CAiRO | with the bookmarks area on the left |
| 10:34.57 | CAiRO | where you have to press ctrl+l to get a dialog where you can enter a location |
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| 10:36.49 | CAiRO | Vasistha: if you use xchat, you can go to to "XChat -> load plugin or script" to see it |
| 10:36.58 | CAiRO | 2.6.4 has it for sure |
| 10:37.27 | war95 | is vlc no longer in debian? |
| 10:37.33 | Vasistha | CAiRO: I think the only gtk2 app I have is scite, and I'm not seeing it there :P |
| 10:37.39 | Vasistha | war95: did you check p.d.o? |
| 10:37.50 | EdLin | !info vlc sid |
| 10:37.58 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.5.debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6315 kB, Installed size: 15516 kB |
| 10:38.19 | war95 | Vasistha: p.d.o? |
| 10:38.30 | Vasistha | !p.d.o |
| 10:38.30 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 10:38.35 | war95 | yes I sarched that |
| 10:38.38 | war95 | and apt-file too |
| 10:38.43 | CAiRO | Vasistha: it looks like this http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~maandrea/opensesam/images/filechooser.png |
| 10:38.46 | war95 | it seems like it has been removed from the testing repo |
| 10:39.04 | CAiRO | Vasistha: can you see the bookmarks area on the left with all the mountable devices above the user defined bookmarks? |
| 10:40.05 | Vasistha | yeah |
| 10:40.56 | CAiRO | no my screenshot, over here i have even more mountable devices, so i have to scroll every time |
| 10:41.06 | EdLin | !why is vlc not in testing? |
| 10:41.06 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 10:41.36 | Vasistha | CAiRO: interesting. Mine is very similar, but all it has is Home, Desktop, Filesystem in the top area (though there are other mounted file systems) |
| 10:43.36 | Vasistha | CAiRO: btw, you neglected to blur out a user name in the preferences window at the top |
| 10:43.42 | CAiRO | Vasistha: are the other file system user mountable? eg i have a lot of network mounts that i can mount as user |
| 10:44.33 | CAiRO | Vasistha: not my screenshot, i only found it through google.. you see, i didn't take me a minute to find an screenshot of someone with the same problem :) |
| 10:44.54 | Vasistha | CAiRO: yeah, they are. I have a mixture of mounted and unmounted user-mountable devices |
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| 10:45.16 | Vasistha | CAiRO: ahh, lots of questions, no real answers :-( |
| 10:45.21 | vick | Hello, is there any samba configuration GUI tool ? |
| 10:46.11 | CAiRO | Vasistha: yes, well, the easiest solution for me would probably be to remove the mount points i don't use often but thats not really ideal though |
| 10:47.05 | Vasistha | vick: hmm, some guy has been hyping one that he wrote, but I don't think it's in debian yet. Shall I see if I can find it for you? |
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| 10:47.39 | Vasistha | vick: of course, there's always the KDE one ... not sure how thorough that is, or if gnome has one |
| 10:47.55 | vick | Vasistha, what's the name of the kde one ? |
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| 10:48.31 | Vasistha | vick: hrm, I can't remember. check packages.debian.org search for samba? |
| 10:48.48 | vick | Vasistha, ok, thanks. |
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| 10:49.36 | DevilChaos | !keyboard layout |
| 10:50.03 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 10:50.57 | liable | vick: theres swat, but it aint so hot |
| 10:51.15 | vick | liable, yeah i know about swat already |
| 10:51.28 | DevilChaos | someone help me with my keyboard layout please trivial i know but cant figure how to get it right one layout for x and one for terminal need them both the same |
| 10:51.30 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 10:52.08 | DevilChaos | had to reinstall for the millionth time bad for messing with my system |
| 10:52.25 | vick | i found gsambad |
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| 10:54.40 | myki | Hi. When I switch between ttys, tty which I've switched from, unlike freebsd, losts possibility to scroll using shift+pgup/pgdown. Is there any walk that round? |
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| 10:58.17 | DevilChaos | what is the package i need to reconfigure to get the layout to change or file i need to change? |
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| 11:02.30 | liable | DevilChaos: xorg/xfree for x, console-data for console |
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| 11:04.36 | liable | myki: works here |
| 11:04.45 | fog_proxy | Hi all,which apt source I can use to install mplayer |
| 11:04.57 | liable | !tell fog_proxy about marillat |
| 11:06.03 | DevilChaos | liable i have xorg |
| 11:06.12 | liable | so? |
| 11:06.29 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 11:06.53 | liable | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 11:06.56 | DevilChaos | console data is the one i need to rectify my problem ? |
| 11:07.02 | DevilChaos | cool |
| 11:07.05 | fog_proxy | liable: thanks,I have tried that,but many dep issue when install mplayer |
| 11:07.06 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 11:07.35 | biopyte | myki, i agree, have the same problem here |
| 11:07.45 | liable | fog_proxy: shrug, its not officially supported. ask christian marillat |
| 11:08.14 | fog_proxy | liable: so,any other source can support install mplayer? |
| 11:08.37 | liable | fog_proxy: not that i know of |
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| 11:09.41 | DevilChaos | thanks dude bbl |
| 11:09.58 | liable | fog_proxy: paste your apt output to a paster, along with your sources list and apt_preferebces if you have one. i am going to bed, but someone will help you |
| 11:10.23 | fog_proxy | liable: thanks |
| 11:10.41 | liable | np |
| 11:10.57 | liable | laters |
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| 11:14.17 | diilbertAtWork | I am getting a really weird problem... my Hard drive is churning like crazy the only way to get it to stop is to Lock the Firewall (firestarter). It is giving multiple blocked connections on port 6001, 1027 and 1026 |
| 11:14.45 | diilbertAtWork | If I check ps -ef my KDEinit keeps running over and over in different intervals |
| 11:14.57 | diilbertAtWork | Any ideas |
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| 11:18.50 | yang | my WI-FI pcmcia card is not recognised in "ifconfig", what must i do? |
| 11:20.12 | wgq | ifconfig ath0 |
| 11:20.33 | yang | actually its wlan0 |
| 11:21.02 | wgq | oh, my card is recognized as ath0... |
| 11:21.18 | azeem | mine is eth1, it depends on the driver |
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| 11:21.51 | yang | well i guess i lost the interface after removing ndiswrapper |
| 11:21.57 | yang | it worked before |
| 11:22.31 | azeem | yang: if it needs ndiswrapper to work, then yes, removing that will make it non-available |
| 11:22.54 | zoldar | hello , how to take control over certain pts after unintended disconnection (script on that pts still running) ? |
| 11:24.44 | yang | but lspci -v shows this: |
| 11:24.48 | yang | 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 11:24.48 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:25.56 | yang | Installed ndis drivers: |
| 11:25.56 | yang | lsbcmnds driver present, hardware present |
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| 11:26.07 | yang | but nowhere is the interface |
| 11:26.34 | azeem | yang: what does iwconfig sa? |
| 11:26.36 | azeem | say |
| 11:27.05 | yang | no wireless extensions for all interfaces |
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| 11:27.37 | Devil_Kin | hey folks, do the daily d-i images come with softraid/nvraid support? |
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| 11:27.53 | skillii | hi! |
| 11:28.31 | skillii | I have a problem with my kernel (2.6.8 or 2.6.17.7), I always geht following error: VFS: Cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 11:28.32 | skillii | Kernel panic- not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 11:28.58 | yang | skillii: did you compile custom kernel? |
| 11:29.01 | skillii | yes! |
| 11:29.20 | skillii | one moment I will post my kernel config soon ... |
| 11:29.39 | yang | skillii: if you used the .config of the 2.6.8 kernel , you forgot to add "--initrd" when you built the new kernel |
| 11:29.40 | skillii | http://nopaste.debianforum.de/3785 |
| 11:30.15 | skillii | I think i need no initrd, because I have all options I need in the kernel (not as a module) |
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| 11:30.44 | yang | skillii: i had the very same problem, when i added --initrd it worked out |
| 11:30.51 | skillii | hmm |
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| 11:31.01 | my007ms | i have folder have many file i edit jut one how can i find wish file i edit all file will have the same -mtime but that one i edit sure have diff can i find out what is that file |
| 11:31.26 | skillii | do I only need to add the --initrd option at make-kpkg ??? |
| 11:31.36 | yang | yes |
| 11:31.58 | yang | skillii: msg dpkg kp mantra or kp-mantra |
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| 11:32.46 | skillii | ok, I will try it ... |
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| 11:35.11 | skillii | msg dpkg kp mantra or kp-mantra???? |
| 11:36.04 | azeem | skillii: try both |
| 11:36.33 | yang | ./msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 11:37.55 | skillii | okay |
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| 11:41.34 | Suprano | if i get the packet openvpn, is there a client included ? |
| 11:43.20 | RvGaTe | Suprano, since there are no seperate packages for openvpn server or client, it should be all in 1 package... |
| 11:43.28 | Suprano | k |
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| 11:47.37 | aubergine | Hi, must /boot be a primäre Volume? |
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| 11:52.14 | lunitik | aubergine: huh? |
| 11:52.37 | lunitik | aubergine: using LVM, /boot has to be outside the LVM, yes... |
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| 11:54.30 | lunitik | RvGaTe: 'openvpn' is the daemon... you'd need something like vpnc for client functions... |
| 11:54.57 | RvGaTe | really? |
| 11:55.00 | RvGaTe | didn't know that |
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| 11:55.12 | lunitik | (there are things like kvpnc also, if you want a pretty client) |
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| 11:55.42 | lunitik | RvGaTe: apt-cache show openvpn "Virtual Private Network daemon" |
| 11:56.35 | lunitik | Suprano: ^^ |
| 11:56.58 | RvGaTe | Suprano, i had it wrong, read lunitik's comment about it, sorry :) |
| 11:57.08 | Suprano | well there is a client included |
| 11:57.23 | RvGaTe | lol |
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| 11:58.09 | RvGaTe | ah, i checked... there is indeed a --client flag... |
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| 12:01.47 | Sanay | Hi all |
| 12:02.18 | Sanay | Is there a way to redirect a request for a website like www.cnn.com from proxy1 to proxy2 |
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| 12:12.46 | nanotube | hello, how can I please make my ra0 network interface eth0? |
| 12:13.17 | Meltir | i remember there was a tool called xorgconfig in one of the packaes, but i cant seem to find it now (via packages.debian.org and searching the contents), anyone know here i could find it ? the last apt-get update brooke my X :/ |
| 12:13.45 | eastwood|FrMa | Meltir, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:14.20 | Meltir | eastwood|FrMa: it doesnt create xorg.conf for some reason |
| 12:14.38 | Meltir | unless something changed and thats not the file i want anymore :) |
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| 12:16.17 | Meltir | to be more specific - xorg fails when trying to load my nvidia module (it cant find it :/), ive tried recompiling it and reinstalling - to no avail |
| 12:16.20 | eastwood|FrMa | you edited it by hand... |
| 12:16.34 | eastwood|FrMa | put nv instead of nvidia |
| 12:16.45 | eastwood|FrMa | and reinstall your nvidia drivers |
| 12:16.47 | eastwood|FrMa | and try again |
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| 12:17.24 | loganaden | hello |
| 12:17.33 | eastwood|FrMa | hola |
| 12:17.48 | loganaden | what is max number of NIC ? |
| 12:17.53 | loganaden | on gnu/linux |
| 12:18.01 | Meltir | eastwood|FrMa: tried reinstalling them already. the file is there, and the kernel module is too |
| 12:18.40 | loganaden | i want to build a firewall/router for my company |
| 12:18.50 | loganaden | with at least six NICs |
| 12:19.07 | loganaden | using Debian GNU/Linux sarge |
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| 12:19.36 | loganaden | I was wondering if debian could handle such load |
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| 12:20.58 | nanotube | hello, how can I please make my ra0 network interface eth0? |
| 12:23.12 | amphi | nanotube: ifrename |
| 12:23.42 | amphi | nanotube: but what's wrong with ra0? it's less ambiguous than eth0 |
| 12:24.19 | nanotube | amphi: HI, my vmware player is connected to eth0 |
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| 12:26.32 | nanotube | amphi: not sure if it will solve problem but at the moment I have no other idea...thanks |
| 12:26.52 | ma3x | how do i restore deleted files? |
| 12:27.04 | ma3x | or better said: overwritten files |
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| 12:29.24 | abrotman | you restore from your backup |
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| 12:30.21 | vick | Hello, what's that 'security' thing or tool about debian 'testing' ? |
| 12:30.23 | vick | btrg? |
| 12:30.27 | abrotman | /topic ? |
| 12:30.44 | blondie | ma3x: hahaha |
| 12:30.53 | abrotman | vick: your question doesn't make sense |
| 12:31.17 | dvs | vick: the security updates to testing? |
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| 12:31.18 | vick | abrotman, amazingly you gave me the answer i was looking for tho |
| 12:31.20 | ma3x | abrotman, what about topic? |
| 12:31.27 | ma3x | blondie, what you laughing? |
| 12:31.33 | abrotman | eh .. CNN is talking about Tyre having a fire .. and i just heard it .. didn't see it .. and i'm thinking "Wow .. haven't had tire fires in years " |
| 12:31.47 | abrotman | ma3x: not you .. you're screwed .. use your backup |
| 12:31.52 | abrotman | vick: enjoy |
| 12:31.58 | vick | abrotman, thanks |
| 12:32.02 | blondie | ma3x: the files are gone... restore from your backup copy |
| 12:32.11 | ma3x | i dont have back up |
| 12:32.16 | abrotman | cry |
| 12:32.20 | ma3x | it was something I downloaded |
| 12:32.26 | abrotman | so download it agin |
| 12:32.27 | ma3x | and then i downloaded something else with the same name |
| 12:32.28 | abrotman | again |
| 12:32.32 | ma3x | and moved it to that dir |
| 12:32.38 | ma3x | its big 600 mb |
| 12:32.45 | ma3x | so why is linux made like that |
| 12:32.47 | abrotman | it's like .. an illegally downloaded movie ? |
| 12:32.49 | ma3x | you delete something its gone |
| 12:33.00 | abrotman | because that's the way it should be ? |
| 12:33.03 | ma3x | abrotman, almost ... game |
| 12:33.11 | abrotman | ma3x: so you want us to help you steal? |
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| 12:33.25 | ma3x | i dont need your help to steal |
| 12:33.36 | abrotman | well .. you're fucked ... download it again |
| 12:33.38 | ma3x | to backup my file |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | and learn how to use your keyboard |
| 12:33.47 | ma3x | my internets slow |
| 12:33.53 | blondie | abrotman: please, it's not stealing |
| 12:33.57 | blondie | but either way the file is gone |
| 12:34.04 | abrotman | blondie: it's a full game demo? :) |
| 12:34.04 | blondie | ma3x: well you should have been more careful |
| 12:34.22 | ma3x | blondie, but why in windows you can restore it with some bloody thousand tools |
| 12:34.27 | ma3x | why not in linux |
| 12:34.27 | blondie | abrotman: no, software piracy != stealing |
| 12:34.30 | blondie | ma3x: you can't |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | blondie: depends who you ask |
| 12:34.44 | dvs | ma3x: no such tools exist in Debian |
| 12:34.47 | blondie | if you've overwritten the file in windows you can't restore it either |
| 12:34.50 | ma3x | dvs why not |
| 12:34.55 | ma3x | really? |
| 12:34.59 | blondie | of course not |
| 12:35.00 | dvs | ma3x: they haven't made it yet? |
| 12:35.00 | abrotman | really |
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| 12:35.02 | ma3x | hm damn |
| 12:35.10 | blondie | unless you want to get your electron microscope |
| 12:35.18 | blondie | ma3x: it's not possible in windows either. |
| 12:35.21 | ma3x | but I mean some professional guys could do it |
| 12:35.25 | ma3x | with some equipment maybe |
| 12:35.27 | ma3x | right? |
| 12:35.29 | blondie | maybe |
| 12:35.36 | ma3x | well, you see |
| 12:35.38 | dvs | ma3x: A profession guy would make backups |
| 12:35.43 | abrotman | thief! |
| 12:35.54 | abrotman | dvs: are you stoned again!? |
| 12:36.06 | dvs | abrotman: again? It never stopped! |
| 12:36.09 | ma3x | abrotman, you german? |
| 12:36.32 | googlah | light it |
| 12:36.33 | dvs | ma3x: close. |
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| 12:36.47 | abrotman | ma3x: no .. my last name does not mean i'm german |
| 12:37.00 | ma3x | yes it does |
| 12:37.04 | abrotman | no .. it doesn't |
| 12:37.05 | ma3x | you're the bredman |
| 12:37.10 | abrotman | dude .. i'm not german |
| 12:37.11 | blondie | riiiight |
| 12:37.15 | abrotman | nor is anyone in my family german |
| 12:37.16 | dvs | uh huh |
| 12:37.23 | ma3x | so how come you have such name? |
| 12:37.28 | abrotman | lituanian, russian, tyrolian, norwegian |
| 12:37.29 | abrotman | no german |
| 12:37.41 | ma3x | come on |
| 12:37.45 | ma3x | type it in the wikipedia see what comes |
| 12:37.58 | azeem | ma3x: try to stay on topic, please |
| 12:38.04 | blondie | abrotman: you're lying! obviously ma3x knows your ancestry better than you :) |
| 12:38.06 | ma3x | azeem, right |
| 12:38.14 | abrotman | ma3x: you're telling me that i'm german? |
| 12:38.15 | ma3x | so, what's the difference between ext2 and ext3 |
| 12:38.20 | ma3x | what exactly is journal? |
| 12:38.21 | blondie | ext3 has a journal |
| 12:38.22 | googlah | lol |
| 12:38.33 | ma3x | abrotman, yes your name |
| 12:38.39 | googlah | azeem: let them talk |
| 12:38.45 | abrotman | ma3x: well .. like every thing else you've said today .. you'd be wrong |
| 12:38.47 | azeem | googlah: sure, but not in here |
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| 12:39.56 | ma3x | abrotman, but brot means bred in german |
| 12:40.07 | blondie | what does "bred" mean? |
| 12:40.12 | blondie | oh |
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| 12:40.21 | blondie | past tense for breed |
| 12:40.36 | googlah | i was thinking of bread |
| 12:40.42 | abrotman | ma3x: i'm well aware of this .. my family is not german ... my dad's side is russian and lituanian .. and his father's name was yitzhawk .. it's not my fault the morons at ellis island were ubuntoobies |
| 12:41.10 | ma3x | what the hell is that |
| 12:41.22 | dvs | abrotman: INS can do that? That sucks! |
| 12:41.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:41.34 | abrotman | blondie: it is bread |
| 12:41.42 | blondie | right |
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| 12:42.06 | ma3x | # altered spelling of German Brotmann, an occupational name for a baker and peddler of breads and pastries, from Middle High German brÅt ‘bread’ + man ‘man’. |
| 12:42.06 | ma3x | # Jewish Ashkenazic: cognate of 1, from German Brot ‘bread’ + Mann ‘man’. |
| 12:42.17 | abrotman | ma3x: for the love of god .. DROP IT .. you're wrong! |
| 12:42.24 | abrotman | i'm not german .. |
| 12:42.25 | ma3x | http://www.ancestry.com/search/SurnamePage.aspx?html=b&ln=Brotman&sourcecode=13304 |
| 12:42.38 | abrotman | ma3x: STOP STOP STOP STOP ... I"M NOT FUCKING GERMAN YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT |
| 12:42.50 | ma3x | well I didn't say your german |
| 12:42.56 | ma3x | your name is |
| 12:42.57 | abrotman | only 10 times |
| 12:43.27 | ma3x | alright, we stopped it |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | ma3x: now .. you still can't get your file back .. so restore from backup or redownload it |
| 12:43.59 | ma3x | alright, now what's the advantage of ext3 to ext2? |
| 12:44.00 | Suprano | .. |
| 12:44.04 | ma3x | does it support larger files or what? |
| 12:44.10 | abrotman | ma3x: it's a journaled FS |
| 12:44.12 | ma3x | what exactly means the journal option? |
| 12:44.17 | abrotman | use wikipedia |
| 12:44.28 | dvs | ma3x: it can recover files better in case of a crash |
| 12:44.38 | ma3x | dvs, ext2? |
| 12:44.47 | ma3x | well journal like journal, you write in it let's say every day |
| 12:44.48 | dvs | ma3x: ext3 |
| 12:44.52 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system |
| 12:44.53 | ma3x | but what means that as an option for FS? |
| 12:45.01 | dvs | read that |
| 12:45.07 | ma3x | ok |
| 12:45.07 | itchi | ma3x: Or try an google search on 'ext2 vs ext3'?? |
| 12:45.42 | itchi | abrotman: Sorry, im a bit to slow ;-) |
| 12:45.53 | abrotman | itchi: it's ok .. he won't notice |
| 12:46.03 | Suprano | I want to set up a bridging vpn server.. i got this manual: http://openvpn.net/bridge.html but htere is one point i am unsure.. it says " Make sure to use an interface which is private and which is connected to a LAN which is protected from the internet by a firewall." but i got only the direct connection to the internet. and which ip should i enter inthe bridge-start script? the one of my server or the one of my vpn ? |
| 12:46.18 | ma3x | so that's the advantage, in case of crash you don't loose files |
| 12:47.28 | abrotman | go read |
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| 12:47.43 | dude3 | what does this disk error mean - http://paste.debian.net/10338 |
| 12:47.45 | abrotman | he'll do research on my surname .. but not important things .. yay! |
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| 12:48.11 | dvs | dude3: replace your hard drive. do not pass go. do not collect $200 |
| 12:48.11 | abrotman | dude3: it means .. back up all your data and check your cables .. if it persists .. get a new drive |
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| 12:48.43 | itchi | dude3: Making quick quick backups if not yet already done?? |
| 12:49.06 | itchi | arg, i'm so slow :-p |
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| 12:50.06 | dude3 | the error cannot be bypassed? |
| 12:50.21 | dvs | dude3: you are about to loose the data on your hard drive! |
| 12:50.34 | itchi | dude3: It's your HDD that are die |
| 12:50.47 | dude3 | ok -sigh- |
| 12:51.03 | itchi | dude3: On that same ide channel, is there another HDD on it? |
| 12:51.12 | dvs | dude3: but, like abrotman said, check the cables first to make sure |
| 12:52.07 | itchi | dude3: You can try to change that ide cable, some time it's the cable, but there is more change that it is the HDD in question :-/ |
| 12:53.02 | dude3 | its a laptop hard drive |
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| 12:53.40 | abrotman | backup your data .. NOW .. |
| 12:54.05 | itchi | dude3: Considere to go to the shop and take another one |
| 12:55.22 | abrotman | or wait .. lose all your data ... cry .. buy a new HDD anyways :) |
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| 13:08.15 | SpeedyG | anyone here an idea why my Ultra133TX2 IDE-controller can't find any disks after a reboot? :/ |
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| 13:10.54 | drkwolf_ | hi, when i start bind9 with -u bind it takes ports > 1024, it seems that the bind user doesn't have the permession to use ports < 1024 |
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| 13:11.21 | drkwolf_ | plz how to make it use the default port ? |
| 13:12.44 | eastwood|FrMa | SpeedyG, not compiled in the kernel? |
| 13:12.55 | abrotman | drkwolf_: what if you start it with no -u and start it as root ? |
| 13:12.59 | SpeedyG | eastwood|FrMa: it doesnt recognise any on bootup :/ |
| 13:13.14 | abrotman | drkwolf_: just so you're aware .. <1024 are ports that require root |
| 13:13.23 | dvs | SpeedyG: you may have to load a kernel module to get it working. |
| 13:13.30 | Eclipser | drkwolf_, only root can hjave <1024 ports |
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| 13:13.49 | SpeedyG | nope, doesnt do anything either |
| 13:15.25 | eastwood|FrMa | it must |
| 13:16.23 | SpeedyG | well, I agree with you there... but it doesnt |
| 13:17.01 | dvs | SpeedyG: what doesn't do anything? |
| 13:17.42 | SpeedyG | my IDE controller |
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| 13:18.18 | dvs | SpeedyG: lspci | grep IDE |
| 13:18.49 | SpeedyG | problem is that it doesnt see any disks on bootup |
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| 13:22.03 | SpeedyG | http://pastebin.ca/118569 <= like that |
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| 13:24.53 | SpeedyG | dvs: 0000:00:08.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20269 (rev 02) |
| 13:25.33 | eastwood|FrMa | ok, the controler is tehre |
| 13:26.30 | SpeedyG | yep, and the module for the promise card is loaded into the kernel |
| 13:27.56 | eastwood|FrMa | but no disks? |
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| 13:29.27 | SpeedyG | nop |
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| 13:33.31 | whadar | can someone shed some light on "building dependency tree" of apt-get? why it occurs on every install? |
| 13:33.47 | whadar | any good reference for this? |
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| 13:34.07 | SpeedyG | and lsmod shows me that both modules are installed |
| 13:34.07 | SpeedyG | debserv:~# lsmod |
| 13:34.07 | SpeedyG | Module Size Used by |
| 13:34.07 | SpeedyG | pdc202xx_new 7912 - |
| 13:34.08 | SpeedyG | pdc202xx_old 9640 - |
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| 13:34.13 | mahnamahna | hi |
| 13:34.37 | mahnamahna | i have a problem with gajim i asked on my "national" irc channel but nobody can help me |
| 13:34.48 | mahnamahna | i`ve asked on ubuntu channel |
| 13:35.00 | mahnamahna | but maybe you have some ideas: |
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| 13:35.37 | mahnamahna | when i try play Gajim (on ubuntu) i see http://wklej.org/id/53433eb854 |
| 13:35.50 | mahnamahna | anybody have any ideas??? |
| 13:36.05 | azeem | ImportError: could not import bonobo.ui |
| 13:36.23 | mahnamahna | yes,:) |
| 13:36.38 | azeem | mahnamahna: try apt-get install python-gnome2 |
| 13:36.47 | mahnamahna | andi did it |
| 13:36.54 | mahnamahna | it didnt help |
| 13:36.55 | azeem | then file a bug |
| 13:37.01 | azeem | in Malone |
| 13:37.13 | mahnamahna | i`m new user and dont havre so much concepts :) |
| 13:37.59 | azeem | mahnamahna: sorry, but we don't know how to report bugs in Ubuntu, please ask in #ubuntu |
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| 13:38.12 | mahnamahna | and what i should do :) |
| 13:38.14 | mahnamahna | ok |
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| 13:38.22 | mahnamahna | thanks by |
| 13:39.35 | Meltir | eastwood|FrMa: i wrote the whole damn thing by hand, and its ok now. thx for your help |
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| 13:40.30 | SpeedyG | anyone an idea how to fix this? |
| 13:41.22 | dvs | SpeedyG: if we did, we'd say something by now |
| 13:42.54 | dvs | SpeedyG: if the kernel modules load and you don't see the disks on boot, it seems to me that you have to compile those modules into the kernel itself. |
| 13:43.13 | dvs | or into the initrd image |
| 13:43.20 | SpeedyG | seems to me this is an OS-independant problem, and I need to kick that IDE controller |
| 13:43.54 | dvs | 3ware here you come! |
| 13:44.43 | SpeedyG | money there you go |
| 13:44.47 | SpeedyG | no thanks |
| 13:45.05 | dvs | Lots of people have success with 3ware in here |
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| 13:45.27 | SpeedyG | until one week of downtime last week, i've had no problems with this card either |
| 13:45.37 | SpeedyG | (planned downtime) |
| 13:45.59 | Nexus | Anyone here using nagios on debian that could paste me the init script? |
| 13:46.12 | Nexus | Or what would be the best way to get it out of a .deb? |
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| 13:50.00 | myki | Are there any advantages of using aptitude upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade? I know that aptitude hetter handles resolving dependencies, downgrading packages, etc .. anything more? |
| 13:50.42 | zinx | it will automatically uninstall packages that aren't used, if they're marked as 'automatically installed' |
| 13:51.14 | zinx | you'll probably have to go through and mark quite a few for the first few upgrades if you haven't been using it, though. |
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| 13:53.36 | myki | I'm using deborphan for that, but if aptitude is better than pure apt, I'll have to get acquainted to it. |
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| 13:55.51 | drkwolf_ | abrotman: sorry i was out, so i've to start it as root ? |
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| 13:57.39 | Nexus | I seem to have hit ctrl + something and locked my putty ssh session. Anyone have any idea how to unlock it? I can't remember how I've done it in the past. |
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| 13:59.31 | trygg | Hm. Im having problem with 'apt-get update', it says "gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file// Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch/main Packages" |
| 13:59.35 | trygg | Anyone know what i could do about that? |
| 14:01.00 | drkwolf_ | trygg: change the mirror & retry ... perhaps it will work |
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| 14:01.12 | trygg | I kinda dont know how to do that? :c |
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| 14:02.26 | liob | hi there, |
| 14:02.26 | liob | I wonder if there is a programm to download realmedia streams. I have wpro for Windows Media, but it doesn't support realmedia. |
| 14:02.27 | liob | Thanks for the help |
| 14:02.41 | nikov^ | vlc |
| 14:02.44 | nikov^ | videolan |
| 14:03.15 | nikov^ | www.videolan.org |
| 14:03.20 | trygg | drkwolf_: could you pretty please help me? |
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| 14:03.52 | nikov^ | I think it support everything but what you mean |
| 14:03.59 | liob | nikov^: is there also a command line programm, which can download realmedia streams? |
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| 14:04.16 | nikov^ | videolan have commandline nad gui |
| 14:04.32 | liob | I'll give it a try |
| 14:04.34 | liob | thanks |
| 14:04.39 | nikov^ | but I'm not sure that you want same think that I think but try it |
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| 14:05.38 | liob | nikov^: the problem is, if I download the realmedia file it is only 4kb big. If I open it with the realmedia player, the player downloads the actual stream from the net. I want to save the stream on my pc. |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | drkwolf_: there are instructions for a chroot bind .. but in general .. ports below 1024 are restricted for root's use |
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| 14:06.13 | Oins | Hi, can anyone help me with Mount and Nero Images (.nrg). I get the following error: http://phpfi.com/137547 |
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| 14:06.21 | peppo | how do I get dbus running in gnome? |
| 14:06.33 | peppo | I have some crazy ass app that needs dbus session support |
| 14:06.37 | drkwolf_ | abrotman: no need form me for that i've domU specialy for dns server |
| 14:06.52 | azeem | peppo: doesn't it run already?ß |
| 14:07.15 | peppo | azeem, http://rafb.net/paste/results/FIPwIf40.html |
| 14:07.16 | peppo | that's all |
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| 14:07.33 | peppo | beep-media-player-2 complains like thus: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fI7JbA40.html |
| 14:07.35 | nikov^ | liob can you make some program that open socket to the stream server and to make something like your client and you can download streams |
| 14:07.44 | nikov^ | but I think there are some easy way |
| 14:08.46 | liob | nikov^: i was hoping that somebody made a great program like wpro (a fork of wget) which downöoads windows media streams |
| 14:09.38 | nakeee | what is now the policy for devices? to use /dev/hda or /dev/discs? |
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| 14:09.59 | skillii | re! |
| 14:10.05 | azeem | nakeee: probably the former |
| 14:10.39 | peppo | how do I launch GNOME with dbus? |
| 14:10.42 | peppo | properly. |
| 14:10.48 | nikov^ | what exactly make wpro? |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | drkwolf_: domu ? |
| 14:11.25 | azeem | peppo: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:11.30 | peppo | azeem, unstable. |
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| 14:11.42 | skillii | @yang: ((( the --initrd option I appended did not help anything ... |
| 14:11.43 | azeem | then it should get launched properly already |
| 14:11.44 | peppo | azeem, no dbus apps are working... rhythmbox complains but it isn't fatal... |
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| 14:11.53 | peppo | azeem, bmpx won't start |
| 14:12.01 | azeem | peppo: then maybe d-bus is broken |
| 14:12.03 | _xMSx_ | hi a11 |
| 14:12.07 | skillii | hi |
| 14:12.18 | peppo | I'll reboot X |
| 14:12.21 | peppo | restart |
| 14:12.22 | peppo | ewfljkq herwth1436 |
| 14:12.26 | _xMSx_ | i've a question |
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| 14:12.40 | liob | you give wpro the link of the index file (which is around 4kb small). Then wpro extracts the location of the actual stream and ddownloads it for you. So you have the whole video file on HD and can save it. |
| 14:13.00 | _xMSx_ | how can i install nokia 6630 on debian? |
| 14:13.05 | azeem | install? |
| 14:13.15 | _xMSx_ | 2 use |
| 14:13.26 | azeem | gnokii maybe supports that mobile |
| 14:13.30 | _xMSx_ | no |
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| 14:13.38 | _xMSx_ | i tried |
| 14:13.44 | azeem | what do you want to do exactly? |
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| 14:14.15 | _xMSx_ | work with phone (contacts, RPRS) |
| 14:14.23 | _xMSx_ | GPRS* |
| 14:14.55 | tc_ | hi, somebody can help me? i am in a network that using one switch now, how can i know the ip addresses that others machines have?? |
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| 14:15.18 | peppo | where is DBUS/GNOME stuff governed? |
| 14:15.20 | skillii | tc: you could broudcast the network ... |
| 14:15.25 | _xMSx_ | tc_ use NetScan |
| 14:15.41 | azeem | peppo: it's started by init |
| 14:16.19 | peppo | azeem, it's not starting dbus-launch |
| 14:16.24 | peppo | where are the config files? |
| 14:16.31 | peppo | GDM stuff? |
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| 14:17.02 | _xMSx_ | Azeem?.. |
| 14:17.25 | skillii | Can anyone help me building my kernel?? I always geht the following error: VFS: Cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:17.26 | skillii | Kernel panic- not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:17.29 | azeem | _xMSx_: looks bad, apparently |
| 14:17.43 | enouf | peppo: what's your issue with dbus? |
| 14:17.44 | _xMSx_ | sh*t :( |
| 14:17.54 | azeem | _xMSx_: I guess it is rather new? |
| 14:18.05 | peppo | enouf, it's not running. I need dbus-launch running, but it's nowhere to be found. |
| 14:18.20 | peppo | enouf, I need a process along the lines of 500 28719 0.0 0.0 2892 296 ? S Jul29 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients |
| 14:18.21 | enouf | peppo: for ?? |
| 14:18.23 | peppo | but have none. |
| 14:18.29 | peppo | so no applications that require dbus work. |
| 14:18.32 | peppo | like beep-media-player-2 |
| 14:18.38 | peppo | or dbus support in rhythmboxc |
| 14:18.51 | tc_ | _xMSx_, NetScan?? |
| 14:18.53 | peppo | I need to figure out what's wrong with my dbus/gnome configuration |
| 14:19.04 | _xMSx_ | Windows NetScan |
| 14:19.13 | _xMSx_ | i used VMware |
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| 14:19.23 | peppo | there's no mention of "dbus-launch" anywhere in /etc/init.d |
| 14:19.25 | PDani_ | hi |
| 14:19.38 | _xMSx_ | azeem> yes |
| 14:19.46 | azeem | _xMSx_: please do not advertise Windows software in here |
| 14:19.55 | enouf | peppo: well, don't know if this will help, ut there's been a recent bug that's been found and (a workaround found) for when using USB pen drives and iot involves hal, dbus and the "plugdev" group |
| 14:19.56 | tc_ | _xMSx_, apt-cache search netscan, but nothing |
| 14:19.56 | azeem | or software not available for Debian in general. rather |
| 14:20.05 | enouf | it* |
| 14:20.05 | azeem | _xMSx_: so maybe it will get supported soon |
| 14:20.22 | peppo | enouf, I'm not using any USB pen drives |
| 14:20.35 | PDani_ | in bind, i have a zone (foobar.homedns.org), and i have a zonefile (db.foobar). how can i set the ip-address of foobar.homedns.org in db.foobar? |
| 14:20.44 | _xMSx_ | tc_ wait 4 a sec |
| 14:20.59 | enouf | peppo: Ok then ,that's what I know ... ;-) - have you looked in the BTS ? |
| 14:21.00 | abrotman | don't do it |
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| 14:21.59 | peppo | well, now I'm removing dbus |
| 14:22.04 | peppo | and I'll reinstall an app that requires it |
| 14:22.21 | tc_ | _xMSx_, thanks |
| 14:22.46 | _xMSx_ | tc_> do u have network chat |
| 14:22.47 | _xMSx_ | ?? |
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| 14:24.02 | skillii | can anyone help me building my kernel? |
| 14:24.03 | peppo | so, I removed dbus and its friends, and installed rhythmbox which comes with a dbus dep. all it installed was itself and "dbus" |
| 14:24.21 | abrotman | !tell skillii about kp |
| 14:24.24 | peppo | it didn't install hal |
| 14:24.27 | peppo | or mahavi-dns |
| 14:24.28 | peppo | or anything |
| 14:24.35 | peppo | er, ahavi |
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| 14:24.55 | skillii | VFS: Cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:24.55 | skillii | Kernel panic- not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:25.06 | skillii | abrotman: about kp? |
| 14:25.12 | azeem | peppo: probably because it does not need them |
| 14:25.14 | peppo | skillii, you missed either proper hardware support or file system support |
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| 14:25.20 | abrotman | skillii: you missed something in your config |
| 14:25.28 | peppo | azeem, I need to find out what governs dbus-launch _launching_ |
| 14:25.33 | peppo | anyone know this? |
| 14:25.47 | peppo | 'cause right now, GDM/GNOME isn't getting dbus-launch "support" |
| 14:25.53 | skillii | this is my kernelconfig: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/3785 |
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| 14:25.58 | tc_ | _xMSx_, nope, i dont have. cuase i have one Linksys Pap2 voip, i would like to know its ip to config |
| 14:26.04 | skillii | and I use the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 14:26.13 | azeem | peppo: try with a new test user, maybe your gnome session is messed up |
| 14:26.13 | _xMSx_ | ... |
| 14:26.15 | enouf | peppo: /usr/share/man/man1/dbus-launch.1.gz |
| 14:26.26 | lindi- | skillii: you forgot --initrd |
| 14:26.40 | skillii | I tried it with --initrd |
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| 14:26.51 | skillii | and it did not help |
| 14:26.57 | drkwolf_ | abrotman: domu is xen guest host |
| 14:27.03 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:27.26 | peppo | azeem, same thing with a new user. |
| 14:27.52 | _xMSx_ | tc_> c private |
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| 14:27.59 | azeem | maybe you should ask in #gnome-debian on gimpnet then |
| 14:28.59 | skillii | there you can get more information about my configuration(its german but you can get some infos from there...): http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=437509#437509 |
| 14:29.07 | enouf | peppo: do you have an ~/.xsession file ? |
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| 14:29.11 | djace | anyone know of a way to limit the amount of correction that ntpdate can adjust? can't find anything on the manpage and/or google :( |
| 14:29.22 | abrotman | you want to limit it |
| 14:29.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:29.31 | djace | yes |
| 14:29.41 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:29.49 | peppo | enouf, yes but I launch with GDM, so... |
| 14:29.56 | enouf | peppo: try "dbus-launch gnome-session" |
| 14:29.59 | djace | cause two hours ago some server in the public ntp pool returned the time as being in 2001 |
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| 14:30.12 | djace | and it threw a lot of things off :/ |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | djace: dude .. SELL YOUR IT STOCKS NOW! |
| 14:30.19 | _vaggie | Hello, when i launch the fsck.xfs command nothing happens at all |
| 14:30.46 | abrotman | djace: i think there's a way to have it adjust instead of slew |
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| 14:31.33 | abrotman | djace: -B ? |
| 14:32.05 | _xMSx_ | tc_>> have u got DHCP on the network? |
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| 14:32.26 | abrotman | !tell _xMSx_ about u |
| 14:32.35 | djace | abrotman: nope, what i would like is something like "if the difference between local time and ntp time is bigger than X, report it but don't adjust it" |
| 14:32.37 | tc_ | _xMSx_, yes, all the machines in the network are using DHCP |
| 14:32.41 | peppo | enouf, yes that works |
| 14:32.46 | peppo | enouf, but I want to fix it with GDM |
| 14:32.59 | abrotman | djace: -B isn't good enough? |
| 14:33.13 | PDani_ | how can i refer from a zone-file to the zone itself as the domain? |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | djace: well .. write a wrapper script around -q .. check it .. only set if it's good i guess |
| 14:33.20 | enouf | peppo: Review the the 'man dbus-launch' page -- For ex: "Here is an example of how to use dbus-launch with an sh-compatible shell to start the per-session bus daemon:" |
| 14:33.20 | _xMSx_ | tc_>what's ur IP |
| 14:33.25 | robin_sz | PDani_, use . |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | !tell _xMSx_ about ur |
| 14:33.26 | _xMSx_ | tc_>? |
| 14:33.31 | peppo | enouf, I already know that |
| 14:33.37 | djace | abrotman: hrm, nice idea, i'll do that, thanks :) |
| 14:33.39 | peppo | enouf, I want to fix it system-wide, so it's launched by default |
| 14:33.48 | Marco | How do I have make use a different version of gcc? |
| 14:33.49 | peppo | enouf, all I need to know is there the session launching is done |
| 14:33.59 | robin_sz | PDani_, wait .. that was nonesense :) |
| 14:34.04 | PDani_ | robin_sz: . IN A $ip? |
| 14:34.13 | abrotman | djace: i'm not sure if you can save that result from pool.ntp.org or not .. though .. i think you can also request it to query more than one server |
| 14:34.20 | PDani_ | hm |
| 14:34.28 | peppo | does anyone here know how dbus-launch is launched in Debian unstable w GNOME and GDM? |
| 14:34.33 | enouf | peppo: ok -- ooops -- perhaps GNOME, gdm is not your default DM, DE ?? have you 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm' ? and select gdm? |
| 14:34.46 | peppo | enouf, it is |
| 14:34.53 | robin_sz | PDani_, no. wait one moment |
| 14:34.54 | _xMSx_ | tc_>?? |
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| 14:35.20 | peppo | azeem, are you running GNOME? can you see if "dbus-launch" is running? |
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| 14:35.29 | _xMSx_ | tc_> What class of network do you use? |
| 14:35.38 | robin_sz | PDani_, set $ORIGIN mydomain.com |
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| 14:35.55 | azeem | peppo: I am not |
| 14:36.03 | robin_sz | then for an A record or whatever, just: |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | peppo: it is here |
| 14:36.31 | robin_sz | www A 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:36.50 | enouf | peppo: I have and use kdm not gdm, but I have an entry in /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm -- do you have something similar for gdm ? |
| 14:37.41 | robin_sz | PDani_, the orgin then refers to your domain |
| 14:37.51 | PDani_ | robin_sz: i don't really understand... i don't need a www subdomain... |
| 14:37.53 | peppo | enouf, yes yes |
| 14:37.58 | peppo | abrotman, do you know HOW it is launched? |
| 14:38.07 | abrotman | with love |
| 14:38.27 | abrotman | let me find the PPID |
| 14:38.28 | _xMSx_ | =) |
| 14:38.36 | peppo | my system is NOT launching dbus-launch |
| 14:38.40 | robin_sz | PDani_, then explain what you mean by "how can i refer from a zone-file to the zone itself as the domain" |
| 14:38.44 | peppo | upon starting a session via GDM |
| 14:39.03 | abrotman | it says init launched it |
| 14:39.43 | enouf | peppo: do you also have an rcS.d/S20dbus and rcS.d/S20dbus-1 |
| 14:39.55 | peppo | enouf, yes. it is running! |
| 14:40.17 | enouf | peppo: whoops. mean rc2.d* for BOTH |
| 14:40.25 | tc_ | _xMSx_, i am sorry. my ip is 172.28.3.135 .. class ..you mean?? i just use one switch connecting my box, dsl modem and others to it. |
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| 14:40.52 | peppo | enouf, there's no *dbus* in rcS.d |
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| 14:40.59 | PDani_ | robin_sz: i have some subdomain: foo.foobar.homedns.org, bar.foobar.homedns.org, etc. i made a zonefile, db.foorbar.homedns.org, and some IN A records in it, like bar IN A ip, foo IN A ip2. but how can i set the ip address of foobar.homedns.org in db.foobar.homedns.org zonefile? |
| 14:41.10 | enouf | peppo: right -- see my corection(s) |
| 14:41.20 | enouf | corrections* |
| 14:41.22 | peppo | yes they are there |
| 14:41.26 | peppo | it's all running |
| 14:41.27 | peppo | what's NOT running |
| 14:41.30 | peppo | is dbus-launch |
| 14:41.35 | abrotman | run it! |
| 14:41.36 | peppo | which is supposed to be started at xinit/gdm |
| 14:41.43 | peppo | abrotman, I have! it worked! |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | yay? |
| 14:41.47 | peppo | I need to make it start automatically |
| 14:41.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:41.49 | peppo | the _proper_ way |
| 14:41.53 | peppo | I used xinit |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | let me look |
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| 14:42.11 | peppo | and wrote exec dbus-launch --with-session-exit gnome-session |
| 14:42.12 | peppo | and it worked |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | mine is --with-session-exit /home/blah/.xsession |
| 14:42.50 | peppo | where does it say that? |
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| 14:42.57 | peppo | I mean, what component launches that line? |
| 14:43.01 | peppo | that's what I need to investigate |
| 14:43.05 | peppo | 'cause now it's not being done |
| 14:43.25 | abrotman | in my ps -ef |
| 14:44.01 | _xMSx_ | tc_> try nmap -sS 172.28.3.1-255 |
| 14:44.06 | peppo | this is all the dbus related stuff that's running on my computer: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jblD1w53.html |
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| 14:45.40 | abrotman | that's private IP range |
| 14:45.40 | enouf | peppo: I'm working in reverse here - and I see the dbus is very related to 'hal' -- remember the "plugdev" and hal bug I mentioned earlier ?? but here's what a 'ps aux' shows on my Sid system: http://pastebin.ca/118749 |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | peppo: what is this all related to? |
| 14:46.07 | peppo | abrotman, running an app that requires dbus session support. |
| 14:46.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:46.31 | peppo | beep-media-player-2: Couldn't connect to session bus: Unable to determine the address of the message bus (try 'man dbus-launch' and 'man dbus-daemon' for help) |
| 14:46.36 | peppo | same with rhythmbox |
| 14:46.46 | peppo | although it still launches |
| 14:46.48 | abrotman | you could put it in your .xsession ? |
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| 14:46.54 | tc_ | _xMSx_, trying |
| 14:47.11 | PDani_ | robin_sz: any idea? |
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| 14:47.24 | abrotman | peppo: i'd really try in #gnome or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:47.28 | peppo | abrotman, I could definitely not! |
| 14:47.38 | abrotman | not? |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | why not? |
| 14:47.42 | peppo | what a hack |
| 14:47.46 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | peppo: in your .. uhm |
| 14:47.53 | peppo | I certainly want it to work for all new users |
| 14:47.59 | peppo | by default |
| 14:48.06 | skillii | I'm sorry, I am very importunate, but I am really desperate now... |
| 14:48.06 | skillii | What can be the reason of the following error: |
| 14:48.06 | skillii | VFS: Cannot open root device hda6 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:48.06 | skillii | Kernel panic- not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 14:48.16 | abrotman | Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs .. have anything in there? |
| 14:48.26 | enouf | peppo: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 14:48.33 | abrotman | skillii: ask #kernel .. |
| 14:48.39 | skillii | okay :) |
| 14:48.59 | peppo | abrotman, another user specific setting |
| 14:49.09 | peppo | abrotman, it's the same with a clean user. no dbus session support! |
| 14:49.12 | abrotman | peppo: do you have a /etc/rc2.d/S20dbus or S20dbus-1 ? |
| 14:49.36 | peppo | abrotman, yes. |
| 14:49.45 | abrotman | and /etc/default/<same> ? |
| 14:49.53 | enouf | abrotman: we did this already :-) |
| 14:49.58 | abrotman | damn you guys! |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | i'm just trying to help |
| 14:50.09 | enouf | abrotman: with peppo -- partly anyways ;-) |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | noone appreciates me .. |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | i'm so unloved .. |
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| 14:50.33 | Gnea | !beer abrotman |
| 14:50.37 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:50.37 | enouf | abrotman: wait wait! - not /etc/default though |
| 14:50.53 | abrotman | peppo: do you have dbus and dbus-1 (i'm on etch here) installed |
| 14:50.57 | enouf | !prize abritman |
| 14:51.03 | enouf | !prize abrotman |
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| 14:51.22 | enouf | ROFL.... ooops |
| 14:51.44 | sid | !confuse enouf |
| 14:51.44 | dpkg | No, what was their weasel tomorrow, enouf? breeches of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cream |
| 14:51.56 | PDani_ | bye |
| 14:52.12 | enouf | sid : thank you kindly -- I needed that |
| 14:52.31 | abrotman | peppo: ? |
| 14:53.10 | peppo | abrotman, there's no dbus-1 package on here |
| 14:53.18 | abrotman | peppo: are you on etch/sid or sarge? |
| 14:53.21 | peppo | abrotman, only dbus and dbus-1-doc and dbus-1-utils |
| 14:53.23 | peppo | abrotman, unstable |
| 14:53.33 | abrotman | peppo: eh .. install dbus-1 ? :) |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | oh wait. |
| 14:53.46 | _xMSx_ | tc_> results? |
| 14:53.46 | abrotman | weird .. it's ic |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | erm .. status ic |
| 14:54.00 | peppo | /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop |
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| 14:54.38 | abrotman | peppo: what about it ? |
| 14:54.45 | enouf | peppo: 'dpkg -l dbus' shows "dbus" installed here |
| 14:54.46 | tc_ | _xMSx_, looks working, but it takes quiet a long time, hehe |
| 14:54.52 | abrotman | Comment[tr]=Bu oturum ile GNOME'a giriş yaparsınız |
| 14:55.03 | peppo | abrotman, it contains Exec=gnome-session |
| 14:55.04 | phorce1 | So, I got the full 14 CD set burned. Think I can cp the contents of all the /pool directories to a single /pool directory and rn the script at the bottom of http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/giles/repository/repository-2.html to create a local repository that doesn't require CD swapping when I'm ready to install packages? |
| 14:55.12 | abrotman | peppo: so does mine |
| 14:55.17 | peppo | abrotman, what does your contain? it should contain dbus-launch --with-session-exit gnome-session |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | dpkg-scanpackages |
| 14:55.25 | phorce1 | s/rn/run |
| 14:55.27 | peppo | abrotman, so that's not where dbus-launch is launched |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | peppo: same as yours |
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| 14:55.53 | peppo | enouf, same here. |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | peppo: it's started from the init.d file |
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| 14:56.09 | enouf | phorce1: .... yoyoyoyo ...whas up!?!??!?! |
| 14:56.34 | peppo | abrotman, which? |
| 14:56.34 | abrotman | !tell phorce1 about repository |
| 14:56.38 | peppo | abrotman, dbus-launch is not in there |
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| 14:56.44 | phorce1 | enouf: me -- still -- no sleep for the idiotic |
| 14:56.49 | abrotman | peppo: /etc/init.d/dbus .. what happens if you run that script? |
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| 14:57.00 | peppo | abrotman, I've started and restarted it many times |
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| 14:57.09 | nimurphy | hi, |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | peppo: seems weird that init starts dbus .. to me anyways |
| 14:57.26 | nimurphy | how can i check what version of a particular module i have? |
| 14:57.44 | nimurphy | not a package, installed program like postGIS |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | postGIS --version ? |
| 14:58.18 | _xMSx_ | quit |
| 14:58.19 | _xMSx_ | quit |
| 14:58.38 | peppo | abrotman, you've any clue where your system knows to launch dbus-launch --with-session-exit gnome-session? |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | i'm looking |
| 14:58.52 | abrotman | but mine doesn't use gnome-session .. uses my .xsession |
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| 14:59.29 | nimurphy | didn't work. doesnt matter. upgrading anyway |
| 14:59.33 | peppo | abrotman, what's the content of your /etc/X11/Xsession? |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | a whole lot of stuff |
| 15:00.14 | sciboy | Hi, a significant chunk of my startup time is my system bringing up eth1 and waiting for a dhcp response, is there a way i can set this to work in the background or at low priority than the shells login? |
| 15:00.36 | peppo | abrotman, but is use-session-dbus in there? |
| 15:00.41 | peppo | abrotman, er, I meant Xsession.options |
| 15:00.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:01.08 | peppo | thanks |
| 15:01.10 | peppo | that was my issue |
| 15:01.11 | peppo | bb |
| 15:01.12 | peppo | bbl |
| 15:01.13 | peppo | thanks again |
| 15:01.18 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 15:02.15 | enouf | phorce1: see if this article is useful for creating a local repository : http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debrepository |
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| 15:02.54 | enouf | phorce1: I obtained it through http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/97 |
| 15:03.11 | abrotman | !repository |
| 15:03.11 | dpkg | it has been said that debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 15:06.08 | phorce1 | enouf: abrotman Thanks. I wasn't using the word "repository" in my searches. I think I'll try thr 'pool' method I found since all the packages on the individual CDs are already in /pool directories. I sould be able to just do a cp of that single directory from each CD into one single /pool directory on a HD then regenerate the packages file. |
| 15:06.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:06.36 | enouf | phorce1: I'm sure you already know of 'apt-cdrom' -- I haven't tried what you want to do, but in case you run into issues - look into that |
| 15:07.23 | RichiH | gah! |
| 15:07.51 | a1fa|64 | i am running 2.6.17, my chipset is nforce3, dma is enabled in bios, but when i try to enable it with hdparm -d 1 it tells me operation not permited.. wtf |
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| 15:08.49 | RichiH | latex-beamer conflicts, for some reason not known to man, with texlive-latex-recommended (which includes fancyvrb) |
| 15:09.19 | RichiH | but, texlive-latex-extra would not conflict and it may even be used with texlive-latex-recommended and has beamer in it, on top |
| 15:09.29 | RichiH | but it takes a mere 136 MB! |
| 15:09.34 | RichiH | wtf? |
| 15:09.50 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.28 | RichiH | who needs that and why must it be installed along with beamer? |
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| 15:10.32 | abrotman | RichiH: file bugs! |
| 15:10.45 | RichiH | abrotman: yah |
| 15:11.04 | RichiH | abrotman: that does not help me with the presenation that is due on tuesday, though |
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| 15:11.11 | RichiH | and i need fancrvrb, too |
| 15:11.18 | RichiH | fuck |
| 15:11.36 | KoluCCi | Hi All! Funny trouble: whe I was using Debian 3.1r2 Sarge XFree86 was working fine. But when I rebuild system with Debian Etch Xorg won't set right resolution. Only 640x480 can set. |
| 15:11.46 | phorce1 | enouf: yep -- I'm just "fiddling with the system" now. I'm not sure I trust the server enough to complete an install because it's failing -- sometimes -- during the initial drive format. We had some of this batch of servers have drives hard fail about 8 months ago so it's making me twitchy. I'm thinking about building a repository on another machine that I know is stable while I let the server run through a full surface scan (of 2 x 250G drives) |
| 15:11.52 | KoluCCi | Config files are the same. |
| 15:12.00 | abrotman | RichiH: you could just use open office :) |
| 15:12.18 | RichiH | abrotman: up yours, too ;) |
| 15:12.52 | abrotman | RichiH: i'm not much of a latex user or i'd try to help more |
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| 15:13.30 | enouf | phorce1: ahhh I see -- note to self-> ""Must have great hardware"- and not overheat it either"" :-) |
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| 15:13.56 | RichiH | abrotman: there is not much help short of beating the devs |
| 15:14.28 | abrotman | !qotd139 |
| 15:14.29 | dpkg | qotd139 is, like, <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 15:14.54 | asg | !beat abrotman |
| 15:14.56 | RichiH | abrotman: the nerve to mark a package not of their own as conflict even though only the _extra_ package of their stuff would even care is amazing, though |
| 15:15.11 | abrotman | RichiH: you could force/repackage |
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| 15:15.40 | RichiH | abrotman: i would rather have them pull their egos out of these decissions |
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| 15:16.32 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:18.46 | skillii | what does this mean? ./msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 15:19.28 | asg | skillii: type it in your irc client |
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| 15:19.32 | abrotman | skillii: in your irc window .. /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 15:33.16 | KoluCCi | Anybody knows what is wrong with Etch Xorg? ATi Radeon 8500 can work only with 640x480, but on debian Sarge and XFree86 all woprking fine |
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| 15:36.26 | sandos_ | I installed pcmcia-cs on a 2.6.16 laptop.. now I am required for some reason to run cardmgr to get my pcmcia-card working.. |
| 15:36.43 | sandos_ | and uninstalling pcmcia-cs (which is deprecated and not used on 2.6.16) I dont have cardmgr anymore =) |
| 15:36.57 | sandos_ | anyone have any idea what has changed? It did work before without cardmgr |
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| 15:38.07 | sid | sandos_: What pcmcia card do you have? |
| 15:38.20 | sandos_ | xirc2ps_cs I think its called |
| 15:38.31 | sandos_ | the driver, that is |
| 15:38.46 | sid | sandos_: put the output of "lspci" on a paste site. |
| 15:38.48 | sandos_ | dmesg says: eth0: compag: port 0x300, irq 3, hwaddr <...> |
| 15:38.51 | sid | !tell sandos_ about paste |
| 15:38.51 | sandos_ | ok |
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| 15:39.30 | a1fa|64 | sid: jackass, he didnt paste that much |
| 15:40.09 | der-jens | i want to do a net install |
| 15:40.19 | sid | a1fa|64: I know he did not. But the lspci command will paste a lot. And please don't use that language towards me I do not appreciate it. |
| 15:40.25 | der-jens | i have a winXP that's connected to the internet via WLAN |
| 15:40.27 | sid | !tell der-jens about d-i |
| 15:40.34 | sandos_ | card doesnt show up in lspci btw? |
| 15:40.39 | a1fa|64 | stop telling people |
| 15:40.49 | sid | der-jens: Pick sarge or etch from the link dpkg gave you. grab the iso cd for your architecture. |
| 15:40.57 | der-jens | now i want to bridge the net from winXP -> debian box... do i need a crossover cable? |
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| 15:41.06 | a1fa|64 | der-jens: switch :? |
| 15:41.12 | a1fa|64 | der-jens: crossover will do |
| 15:41.17 | der-jens | don't have one here:( |
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| 15:41.33 | boldii | hi |
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| 15:41.44 | sid | der-jens: If you're going from one nic to another nic, you need a crossover cable. |
| 15:41.47 | boldii | does anybody of you know a command which shows me which *.deb causes a depency on a certain other *.deb? |
| 15:41.51 | der-jens | a1fa|64, thanks. |
| 15:41.52 | Gnea | a1fa|64: idiot, don't lart those that spend more time here putting up with crap like that. |
| 15:42.12 | der-jens | sid, that is exactly what i want to do |
| 15:42.38 | a1fa|64 | Gnea: lol.. he is being mean to the new guys. lol |
| 15:42.39 | der-jens | so i am going to buy such a cable for about 2? tomorrow. is much cheaper than a switch:) |
| 15:42.50 | sandos_ | http://sandos.ath.cx/~sandos/lspci |
| 15:42.52 | sandos_ | thats my lspci |
| 15:42.55 | Gnea | a1fa|64: no, he's being nice. |
| 15:43.05 | der-jens | problem is that today is sunday and all shops are closed. so i spend a whole day doing nothing:-D |
| 15:43.06 | a1fa|64 | Gnea: they can /msg apt them selves |
| 15:43.25 | Gnea | a1fa|64: the option is there otherwise. |
| 15:43.38 | der-jens | however, thanks for that little information. bye |
| 15:43.51 | sid | sandos_: Is the pcmcia card in the slot? It doesn't seem to show up in lspci. possibly your pcmcia slot is dead? |
| 15:43.53 | sandos_ | and dmesg: v |
| 15:43.54 | sandos_ | http://sandos.ath.cx/~sandos/dmesg |
| 15:43.58 | sandos_ | yes, always |
| 15:44.01 | sandos_ | uhm, it does work |
| 15:44.09 | sandos_ | I just need to run cardmgr .. |
| 15:44.15 | sandos_ | which I didnt use to have to do |
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| 15:44.51 | abrotman | !lart gne |
| 15:44.53 | abrotman | !lart Gnea |
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| 15:45.29 | Gnea | !smite abrotman |
| 15:45.31 | abrotman | a1fa|64: if you'd like to see mean .. i'm sure someone can dig up logs about people no longer with us |
| 15:45.44 | Gnea | :) |
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| 15:46.14 | a1fa|64 | cute |
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| 15:47.41 | Yamaraj | Some help needed in setting up a bluetooth PAN network connection. |
| 15:47.47 | a1fa|64 | are you threatening me? |
| 15:47.53 | Gnea | !bluetooth |
| 15:47.54 | dpkg | well, bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
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| 15:48.18 | abrotman | a1fa|64: does that look like a threat? |
| 15:48.24 | a1fa|64 | sure does |
| 15:48.29 | abrotman | people are stupid |
| 15:48.38 | a1fa|64 | i am sure they can figure out how to use apt |
| 15:48.44 | a1fa|64 | if you tell them once |
| 15:48.49 | Yamaraj | Come on! I already have setup PAN, but sometimes it just doesnt work. I'm using bluetooth to connect to net right now. |
| 15:48.51 | a1fa|64 | but telling people constantly gets boring |
| 15:48.54 | Gnea | you are wrong. |
| 15:48.58 | abrotman | pan or pam ? |
| 15:49.08 | abrotman | a1fa|64: then go away and don't watch .. problem solved |
| 15:49.16 | Yamaraj | PAN; Private Area Network. |
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| 15:49.29 | Gnea | Yamaraj: 'come on'? i've never setup bluetooth networking before, chill your jets if you want help. |
| 15:49.44 | a1fa|64 | there |
| 15:49.46 | a1fa|64 | you see what i mean |
| 15:50.01 | abrotman | quit whining |
| 15:50.06 | a1fa|64 | since when did this channel become #debian@efnet? |
| 15:50.07 | KoluCCi | Anybody knows what to do with Xorg 7.0 and ATi? |
| 15:50.29 | Gnea | a1fa|64: since never. please, stick to topic and taking things so personally. it's only irc. |
| 15:50.29 | abrotman | !dw XOrg69To7 |
| 15:50.31 | Yamaraj | Also, I'm having problems with Xorg in Etch build 20060726. |
| 15:50.34 | abrotman | bah .. wtf is it |
| 15:50.42 | Yamaraj | No DRI for my i915GM graphics. |
| 15:50.45 | Gnea | er, *stop* taking things so personally. |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:51.02 | KoluCCi | March Etch build. Only can use 640x480 form my ATi Radeon |
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| 15:51.03 | Gnea | Yamaraj: is that Xorg 7? |
| 15:51.13 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org/XOrg69To7 |
| 15:51.17 | Yamaraj | Gnea: Yep. |
| 15:51.21 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 15:51.22 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 15:51.27 | abrotman | i was so close! |
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| 15:51.41 | Gnea | abrotman: you were right on the money ;) |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | Gnea: it's case-sensitive |
| 15:52.02 | a1fa|64 | lol |
| 15:52.10 | Gnea | abrotman: why are you letting a troll get to you? :) |
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| 15:52.28 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm not ... i'm going for a bike ride .. a1fa|64 can cry all day .. doesn't bother me :) |
| 15:52.30 | a1fa|64 | Gnea: speak for yourself |
| 15:52.39 | a1fa|64 | abrotman: what bike you got? |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | one with two wheels |
| 15:52.48 | abrotman | and pedals :) |
| 15:52.51 | a1fa|64 | ok |
| 15:52.56 | KoluCCi | Gnea, ati binary drivers (on x86/amd64) |
| 15:52.57 | KoluCCi | The ati drivers were broken, but are fixed now. The Debian packages in non-free should work ok. |
| 15:52.58 | abrotman | not a crotch rocket |
| 15:53.00 | a1fa|64 | abrotman: i am about to take my R1 for a spin |
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| 15:53.07 | KoluCCi | I've updated non-free branch |
| 15:53.10 | Gnea | !troll a1fa|64 |
| 15:53.10 | KoluCCi | nothing for ATi! |
| 15:53.15 | abrotman | isn't R1 a motorbike ? |
| 15:53.16 | Gnea | ~troll a1fa|64 |
| 15:53.17 | apt | ACTION hereby declares a1fa|64 a troll |
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| 15:53.19 | a1fa|64 | yeah |
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| 15:53.23 | KoluCCi | only for Nvidia... :( |
| 15:53.27 | abrotman | yeah .. i'm not an organ donor .. |
| 15:53.31 | abrotman | have a nice day ... |
| 15:53.34 | a1fa|64 | bye |
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| 15:56.02 | wuffi600 | i tried a "debootstrap -arch i386 sid /usr/local/var/sid-386-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian/" but nothing happens, why? i expected to be generated a at least a single file inside sid-386-chroot-dir. |
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| 15:58.24 | Gnea | !chroot install |
| 15:58.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
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| 15:59.31 | wuffi600 | tahnx Gnea |
| 15:59.39 | Gnea | :) |
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| 16:01.51 | hjubal | hola |
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| 16:05.47 | jstampe | Do I get some security issues by running an older kernel than the newest one, for instance 2.6.12 (with related patches).. My old laptop have some problems with newer kernels than 2.6.12 because of some update in the apm system. |
| 16:06.25 | wuffi600 | thank you for your hints "cdebootstrap --verbose --arch=i386 sid /usr/local/var/sid-386-chroot http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/" works well."; so i was a syntax problem. thanx |
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| 16:11.39 | Piet | jstampe: if security patches have been backported to it, then it should be fine. |
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| 16:17.06 | parjoha | Good evening! I'm trying to install debian on my system with the Asus a8v-x motherboard and I'm having trouble with the sata identification (vt8251 chipset). I've googled for answers and tried different install cd's (official and http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/) but without luck. Does anyone have any suggestions where to look further? |
| 16:17.45 | cydork | !etch sata |
| 16:17.45 | dpkg | If you have a SATA Atapi CD-ROM drive, you may run into some problems while installing Debian etch. Check for details http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
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| 16:17.58 | parjoha | cydork: thanks! |
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| 16:21.35 | mutante_ | when using kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp debian stable, am i in danger of http://securitydot.net/xpl/exploits/vulnerabilities/articles/1167/exploit.html ? |
| 16:23.31 | roger21 | Linux Kernel <= 2.6.17.4 |
| 16:23.40 | roger21 | yes you are |
| 16:23.54 | mutante_ | arg, what to do |
| 16:24.05 | mutante_ | dist-upgrade? |
| 16:24.05 | robin_sz | do you have local users? |
| 16:24.09 | mutante_ | yes |
| 16:24.18 | robin_sz | well, do that then |
| 16:24.27 | mutante_ | so i cant stay "stable" ?:p |
| 16:24.30 | zinx | erh |
| 16:24.42 | zinx | just update and make sure you have security.debian.org on your list of sources |
| 16:24.55 | mutante_ | next thing they are gonna say on IRC they only support stable :p |
| 16:25.12 | mutante_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 16:25.41 | robin_sz | 2.6.8-2 is not the latest stable kernel is it? no. |
| 16:26.04 | robin_sz | there is another way to avoid it though |
| 16:26.16 | robin_sz | kill off all your local users ;) |
| 16:26.16 | mutante_ | installed from an image of provider of rented remote box |
| 16:26.34 | mutante_ | thru rescue system |
| 16:26.42 | zinx | mutante_: you have the exploit there.. why not test it |
| 16:26.48 | mutante_ | failed compiling |
| 16:27.24 | mutante_ | syntax_error before "size_t" |
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| 16:27.53 | zinx | probably stupid includes |
| 16:28.14 | zinx | !info kernel-image-686 stable |
| 16:28.15 | cydork | mutante_, it compiles :) |
| 16:28.22 | zinx | hmm |
| 16:29.03 | mutante_ | sploit.c:1: error: Syntaxfehler before "as" |
| 16:29.03 | mutante_ | In file included from /usr/include/_G_config.h:44, |
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| 16:29.59 | zinx | -3 is the latest |
| 16:30.02 | mutante_ | how to get the latest stable kernel image then |
| 16:30.08 | zinx | !info kernel-image-2.6-686 stable |
| 16:30.11 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 16:30.15 | zinx | oh, bah |
| 16:30.21 | zinx | !depends kernel-image-2.6-686 stable |
| 16:30.25 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:30.29 | zinx | O_O |
| 16:30.43 | zinx | guess dpkg doesn't use security |
| 16:31.04 | zinx | mutante_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:31.22 | zinx | but you probably want to find the deb, or just update/upgrade |
| 16:31.25 | mutante_ | ah |
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| 16:31.39 | mutante_ | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:31.50 | zinx | mutante_: that kernel does have the patch for a proc race |
| 16:32.27 | mutante_ | Installation successful. |
| 16:32.36 | Cybersoft | I just read lilo blog where it says debian is moving to OFTC and this channel still exists ? |
| 16:32.58 | zinx | of course |
| 16:33.09 | zinx | it's hard to move a channel this big. |
| 16:33.40 | cydork | !oftc move |
| 16:33.41 | dpkg | methinks oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 16:34.08 | cydork | !oftc move =~ s/methinks/me thinks/ |
| 16:34.08 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'methinks', cydork |
| 16:34.31 | Cybersoft | interesting |
| 16:34.32 | CAiRO | why is openoffice.org-write not installed when i try to installen openoffice.org |
| 16:34.47 | CAiRO | shouldnt openoffice.org install all required packages for openoffice? |
| 16:34.58 | CAiRO | i meant openoffice.org-writer |
| 16:35.27 | Cybersoft | so is there some debian isos I can legally download & install? |
| 16:35.48 | zinx | Cybersoft: pretty much all of them |
| 16:35.51 | Cybersoft | my linux box should be repaired soon and Id like to install 2 distro of linux on it |
| 16:36.04 | Cybersoft | to, you know, keep an open mind and all ? |
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| 16:37.27 | cydork | Cybersoft, did you check debian.org EVER? ? |
| 16:39.38 | roxy_ | Cybersoft: debian isos are illegal, be careful. |
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| 16:40.39 | mutante_ | 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Sat Jul 15 10:32:25 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux <-so now im safe? thanks |
| 16:41.12 | cydork | mutante_, i wont say that until you try that exploit ;) |
| 16:41.38 | Cybersoft | roxy_- well you kinda have to pay to download more than 2 CDs of mandrake so |
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| 16:41.46 | rlaager | I'm looking to package something where upstream ships one tarball per architecture. Does that mean I end up with multiple source packages building one binary package each (with the same name, or not?) or do I merge them and make a new orig tarball? |
| 16:42.07 | mutante_ | cydork: i dont know why it fails compiling :p |
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| 16:44.19 | roxy_ | Cybersoft: I was joking. Download the debian isos and install it. You don't need 2 distros. If you don't like debian change to something else. |
| 16:44.42 | Yamaraj | How unstable is Debian Unstable? Etch is pretty stable for me, except for a few broken things like DRI. |
| 16:44.49 | Eclipser | Yamaraj, works fine here |
| 16:44.59 | Yamaraj | Xorg7,1? |
| 16:45.00 | Eclipser | Yamaraj, some random dependancy breakage from time to time |
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| 16:45.01 | roxy_ | Yamaraj: I use it at home without pb |
| 16:45.38 | Yamaraj | Good to know! |
| 16:45.49 | streuner | roxy_: how about to read BTS? |
| 16:46.25 | Cybersoft | roxy_- no no you don't understand, I have suse already install and I want another linux install that Ill rotate because I want to test fedora/debian/etc |
| 16:46.27 | Yamaraj | Does Unstable come with Xorg7.1? |
| 16:46.33 | phorce1 | well hell -- that's about as cryptic as an error can get on a large file system. Just realized I hadn't gotten any new email for a few hours. Went and looked and there's new mail waiting to be picked up. Ran fetchmail manually and it exits IMMEDIATELY with a "file size limit exceeded" error. Took me a minute to figure out it was the file I have it logging to. Need to set up a cron to rotate that thing every few months. It hit 2Gig. |
| 16:46.40 | streuner | Yamaraj: not yet |
| 16:47.06 | Yamaraj | Hmm. |
| 16:48.11 | streuner | Yamaraj: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 16:48.21 | Yamaraj | Firefox fonts are too big. |
| 16:48.52 | Yamaraj | streuner: Thanks! |
| 16:49.00 | streuner | you should be able to change the fonts in preferences |
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| 16:50.10 | Yamaraj | I can. But the defaults are ugly. |
| 16:50.21 | sid | How can I telll what directory a process is running from? ps aux doesn't say where the binary is running from. And the binary is in many directories |
| 16:50.49 | Yamaraj | ps -ef? |
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| 16:53.03 | minerale | I've installed the tor debian package, I turned it off , but it seem to turn itself on at random |
| 16:53.15 | zinx | how did you turn it off? |
| 16:53.43 | zinx | if you say anything other than "I edited /etc/default/tor and told it to not run the daemon", then that's the problem |
| 16:53.54 | roxy_ | streuner: do you mean I shouldn't tell people to use unstable ? |
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| 16:54.29 | trygg | Hm, a good dvd-viewing-program |
| 16:54.36 | Yamaraj | roxy_: Of course you shouldn't! Are you insane? [From Sid FAQ\ ;-) |
| 16:54.37 | trygg | ? :) |
| 16:55.31 | jetscreamer | xine-ui or mplayer |
| 16:55.48 | jetscreamer | !tell trygg -about marillat |
| 16:55.54 | roxy_ | Yamaraj: I wouldn't use for my workstation at work and I use stable for the server and have livecd and backupt at home :-) |
| 16:55.56 | trygg | Is there some way to just put in the dvd and start a program and everything is dandy? Mplayer isnt really that good with dvd's, is it? |
| 16:56.07 | Yamaraj | What was that debian multimedia site? |
| 16:56.11 | rlc | no |
| 16:56.18 | jetscreamer | trygg: what ever you get, you'll probably need w32codecs... xine-ui is good |
| 16:56.30 | zinx | eh, dvd decoding doesn't need w32codecs |
| 16:56.43 | jetscreamer | and libdvdcss |
| 16:56.52 | zinx | that, however, may be quite handy |
| 16:56.54 | Yamaraj | That's it. |
| 16:57.25 | trygg | My dad wants to be able to just insert a dvd-movie and then everything should autostart but thats.. pretty hard right? |
| 16:58.09 | zinx | no |
| 16:58.09 | zinx | there's some gnome stuff and some kde stuff for that |
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| 16:58.10 | Yamaraj | Autoplay is possible. |
| 16:58.10 | zinx | i'm not sure what the current names of the programs involved are, however |
| 16:58.10 | trygg | Ive never even used a cddrive under my 4 years with gentoo so i wouldnt know. :D |
| 16:58.22 | jetscreamer | but xine-ui you just hit a big button that says dvd |
| 16:58.27 | trygg | That sounds good. |
| 16:58.30 | trygg | Ill check it out |
| 16:58.43 | jetscreamer | you will need w32codecs and libdvdcss |
| 16:58.53 | trygg | Yeah, no prob. |
| 16:58.55 | jetscreamer | the marillat factoid dpkg told you |
| 16:59.01 | lunitik | jetscreamer: apparently libdvdread0 can play dvd's |
| 16:59.05 | Yamaraj | Totem crashes on Etch. |
| 16:59.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:59.19 | Vituz | uhmm I downloaded the drivers for my printer in came in a deb pack... do I just dpkg-deb -x thefile.deb? |
| 16:59.39 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb if you mean install |
| 16:59.40 | Vituz | or dpkg --install file.deb |
| 16:59.41 | lunitik | Vituz: umm... just 'dpkg -i foo.deb' |
| 16:59.42 | Vituz | ah |
| 16:59.45 | Vituz | thx |
| 17:00.12 | Yamaraj | hehe |
| 17:00.38 | Vituz | urgh crap so much for that |
| 17:00.57 | Vituz | ERROR : Brother LPD filter is not installed. |
| 17:00.57 | Vituz | rm -f /usr/lib/cups/filter/brlpdwrapperMFC8500 |
| 17:00.57 | Vituz | chmod: cannot access `/usr/local/Brother/inf/brMFC8500rc': No such file or directory |
| 17:00.57 | Vituz | chmod: cannot access `/usr/local/Brother/inf': No such file or directory |
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| 17:00.59 | lunitik | Vituz: ? |
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| 17:01.09 | Vituz | my bad :P |
| 17:01.14 | Vituz | didn't know i had that much in there |
| 17:02.01 | Yamaraj | No offense, but sometimes Ubuntu beta seems to be more stable than Debian Etch. At least, this is true for some packages. |
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| 17:03.07 | lunitik | Yamaraj: no |
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| 17:03.16 | lunitik | Yamaraj: Ubuntu Edgy is Sid... |
| 17:03.28 | lunitik | Yamaraj: how can Sid be more stable than Testing? |
| 17:03.41 | lunitik | They just merge Sid stuff every couple days :/ |
| 17:03.49 | Yamaraj | More testing and fixes? |
| 17:03.52 | rlaager | Yamaraj: If you want stability, why are you using the unstable branch of either? |
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| 17:04.21 | Yamaraj | I don't need super stability on my new laptop, do I? |
| 17:04.23 | cydork | Yamaraj, impossible it cant be more stable than etch! you mean it's stable than sid that's possible. |
| 17:04.23 | Blissex | lunitik: Sid is often more stable than 'testing': 'testing' can have inconsistent versions. Also it does not have security fixes or fixes for a long time. |
| 17:04.51 | lunitik | Blissex: testing has security fixes... testing for sarge had none thugh |
| 17:04.52 | lunitik | though* |
| 17:04.54 | Blissex | 'testing' can have inconsistent versions: I meant ''more often''. |
| 17:05.20 | sid | So Ubuntu is still snapshotting unstable for new releases? I thought they had forked away by now. |
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| 17:05.46 | lunitik | sid: they build there own kde and gnome packages... but everything else is merged from sid, yes |
| 17:05.51 | lunitik | their* |
| 17:06.11 | sid | interesting |
| 17:06.24 | oxez | Hi. I've just upgraded from Etch's default i486 kernel to the 2.6.16-2-k7 one, and now /dev/input has disapeared. I tried loading evdev, but it only created event0, event1, and event2 in /dev/input.. How would I get input/mice there again? |
| 17:06.44 | sid | I wonder if Debian will use the Ubuntu gnome/kde packages after awhile. Will they be pushed into unstable eventually lunitik? |
| 17:06.51 | lunitik | sid: for instance, right now in edgy, they have gnome 2.15.something ... rather than 2.14.whatever in sid |
| 17:06.57 | Yamaraj | Edgy Eft has Xorg 7.1. How's that possible if Sid aint got it yet, then? |
| 17:07.14 | sid | Well xorg 7.1 is in debian experimental |
| 17:07.16 | azeem | Yamaraj: they package it seperately |
| 17:07.19 | sid | And it will be in unstable soon |
| 17:07.25 | lunitik | sid: the gnome maintainer for Ubuntu is a DD... so those get in once Gnome is stable |
| 17:07.55 | azeem | lunitik: the Ubuntu guy doesn't upload the Ubuntu packages in general |
| 17:07.59 | azeem | to Debian I mean |
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| 17:08.13 | sid | So the DD's wait until they get paid by Canonical and then they do the same work for Debian. heh |
| 17:08.21 | lunitik | azeem: seb128 is one of the main Gnome guys for Debian |
| 17:08.23 | azeem | the Debian and Ubuntu GNOME packages are two completely seperate sets, though they look pretty similar for obvious reasons |
| 17:08.30 | azeem | lunitik: I know. |
| 17:08.59 | azeem | sid: no, the point is that canonical employees do not do Debian work on company time |
| 17:09.06 | azeem | in general |
| 17:09.16 | lunitik | They do some things differently in Ubuntu, like gamin which I don't think runs on all of Debian's arch's or something |
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| 17:09.35 | me_here | i hava a canon scanner connetcted through usb port 2 to my pc, do i need any modules preloaded to use it ? |
| 17:09.37 | lunitik | gamin is crap though, so thats hardly a bad thing |
| 17:09.40 | oxez_ | Damn. Sorry if anyone answered my question, Xorg just hardlocked my system (didn't see anything..) |
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| 17:10.06 | Yamaraj | Differences are growinf rapidly. Ubuntu devs are working hard. :-P |
| 17:10.12 | Yamaraj | *growing |
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| 17:10.34 | lunitik | Yamaraj: you'd be surprised... |
| 17:11.30 | lunitik | Yamaraj: they only have like 5 guys working on base system things... one on gnome, and one on kde... most Canonical employees are working on other things rather than the distro itself |
| 17:11.54 | Yamaraj | "Other things"? |
| 17:11.55 | lunitik | Yamaraj: working hard... sure... but they rely heavily on the work Debian folks do still... |
| 17:12.04 | lunitik | Yamaraj: Baz... launchpad... etc |
| 17:12.21 | Yamaraj | Ah. |
| 17:12.21 | lunitik | Yamaraj: their translation thinger |
| 17:12.21 | sid | azeem / lunitik you think Ubuntu gnome/kde will get pushed into unstable eventually? |
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| 17:12.36 | azeem | sid: I don't know about KDE, but GNOME won't |
| 17:12.39 | mrkris | hi |
| 17:12.51 | sid | azeem: Why not? Is it a preference thing? |
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| 17:13.00 | Yamaraj | Sure, they're nothing without Debian. And they acknowkedge that. |
| 17:13.00 | azeem | tcl... |
| 17:13.02 | lunitik | azeem: Riddell is a tool.. the KDE/Qt team for Debian won't use his packages :/ |
| 17:13.09 | lunitik | afaik, he got rejected as a DD :/ |
| 17:13.48 | mrkris | quick question, I did a base-config, reconfigured exim, kept it simple, placed my main domain for the server, not hosting mail for any other domains, nobody should be able to relay through the system, and i edited /etc/aliases to redirect it to a different account. Now, the problem is NOBODY can email to the system (relay denied) did I skip an import step ... |
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| 17:14.43 | Vituz | wow didn't know installing my printer would be such a pain in the ass |
| 17:15.15 | lunitik | Vituz: KDE or Gnome? localhost:631 will get you started... kdeprint rocks |
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| 17:15.30 | InKubus | my mail server is blocked by CBL but it doesn't seem to show a reason |
| 17:15.34 | lunitik | Vituz: Gnome doesn't think users are intelligent enough to configure printers via its interface :/ |
| 17:15.38 | InKubus | any ideas? |
| 17:15.45 | Vituz | yah but I have a brother mfc-8500 |
| 17:15.57 | Vituz | setting up the printer itself isnt hard but my drivers dont seem to be working :) |
| 17:16.41 | Vituz | downloaded the drivers already but when I try to use dpkg to install em I get errors |
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| 17:18.06 | trygg | how do i make a shortcut to a directory in the console? :D |
| 17:18.22 | Vituz | nm got it |
| 17:18.30 | lunitik | trygg: ln -s /some/folder/way/over/here /some/where/else |
| 17:18.47 | blondie | trygg: you mean a link? |
| 17:19.25 | lunitik | blondie: duh... shortcuts are links ;) |
| 17:19.29 | Yamaraj | Well, what should I do to download a package to a local dir with all its dependences, using apt-get? |
| 17:19.48 | Yamaraj | Sort of like yumdownloader --resolve in Fedora. |
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| 17:20.01 | lunitik | Yamaraj: can add a dir as a source for apt-get... |
| 17:21.09 | Yamaraj | lunitik: You misunderstood my question. I want to be able to download a package with all its dependencies to a local dir. |
| 17:21.22 | Yamaraj | from the repos. |
| 17:21.42 | lunitik | Yamaraj: -d does that |
| 17:21.51 | lunitik | Yamaraj: 'apt-get -d install foo' |
| 17:21.58 | lunitik | -d = download only |
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| 17:22.32 | Yamaraj | Thanks. |
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| 17:23.32 | targie | In which package is nc ? |
| 17:23.46 | waiting | targie: netcat |
| 17:24.09 | lunitik | !find nc |
| 17:24.11 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nc' (15 of 341): ada-reference-manual ;; advancecomp ;; agsync ;; agsync-dev ;; annoyance-filter ;; annoyance-filter-doc ;; beancounter ;; bincimap ;; bincimap-run ;; binclock ;; boinc-app-seti ;; boinc-client ;; boinc-dev ;; boinc-manager ;; c-cpp-reference. |
| 17:24.22 | waiting | thank you, bot |
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| 17:25.28 | waiting | lunitik: it's the cheap 1950s rob0t effect :D a machine that talks a lot of irrelevant factual truth |
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| 17:26.27 | waiting | I think, a lot of AI researchers took their inspiration from 1950s SF movies ;) |
| 17:26.37 | lunitik | waiting: heh... meh, it shoulda returned the right package... unless the bin isn't 'nc' :/ |
| 17:26.51 | lunitik | waiting: in which case, his question was flawed |
| 17:26.55 | waiting | exactly |
| 17:27.06 | sid | lunitik: Why don't Ubu gnome/kde get pushed into unstable? Or will some features but not others? |
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| 17:27.10 | waiting | if the answer is not correct, the question must have been wrong ;D |
| 17:27.24 | lunitik | sid: why care? |
| 17:27.39 | lunitik | sid: 2.16.x will get into Sid when its released... |
| 17:27.57 | sid | lunitik: I'm curious the relationship between Ubu code and Deb code |
| 17:28.15 | sid | lunitik: You must be too, because you seem to know. heh |
| 17:28.28 | ne78 | I'd like to try compiz, http://xgl.compiz.info/ gives pakcages for ubuntu, does they work in debian, if not are there similar pakcages for debian sid ? |
| 17:28.31 | lunitik | sid: a lot of their bug fixes to gnome will get into debian... because they share a maintainer |
| 17:29.01 | p3rti | hi |
| 17:29.13 | sid | !greet p3rti |
| 17:29.13 | dpkg | Tag, p3rti |
| 17:29.27 | lunitik | sid: I used Ubuntu briefly, and at that time, I cared about the relationship... I found out its a bad relationship, and came back to Debian |
| 17:29.53 | waiting | ubuntu is cool |
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| 17:30.00 | sid | I've never used Ubuntu before. I don't like a company controlling a distribution. I prefer community run. |
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| 17:30.06 | waiting | the installer asks almost nothing ^^ |
| 17:30.06 | p3rti | i'm install nvidia-glx and the other package to get nvidia drivers.. it works but when i make glxinfo |grep direct it say no what it mean? |
| 17:30.27 | sid | But they have done some nice things with gnome as far as user-friendly-ness. Just curious if some of those things will get pushed into unstable. |
| 17:30.42 | waiting | sid: I hate userz >:-) |
| 17:30.43 | nakeee | does anyone else has problems with setxkbmap and module microsoft? |
| 17:30.43 | lunitik | sid: Canonical just funds some Ubuntu development... its really ran now by the Ubuntu Foundation... |
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| 17:31.26 | lunitik | waiting: you can make debian-installer ask nothing :/ |
| 17:31.53 | waiting | great ;D |
| 17:32.04 | sid | lunitik: Well M.S. has publically stated he wants to make money from Ubu via enterprise stuff. And an enterprise GNU/Linux distribution doesn't seem very community run to me. |
| 17:32.30 | lunitik | sid: people make money from Debian... so that means Debian is bad? |
| 17:32.31 | sid | We'll see how it plays out. But so far seems to be another debian derivative that helps Debian and helps itself. |
| 17:32.38 | sid | I'm glad they're around. |
| 17:32.42 | lunitik | sid: he's just trying to set up a support structure that will charge |
| 17:33.00 | rlaager | lunitik: I had read that the Ubuntu Foundation was just a contingency fund to keep things going if Canonical disappeared. |
| 17:33.16 | sid | lunitik: no it doesn't. But Debian has strict policies on staying community run. Ubuntu seems to want to target what enterprise customers want in the future. ANd not what the community wants. |
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| 17:33.31 | sid | rlaager: yea, that's if mark shuttleworth died or something |
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| 17:33.36 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm all |
| 17:33.39 | Priest-of-Psi | err |
| 17:33.42 | lunitik | rlaager: its a non-profit organization... for which shuttleworth threw in $10 million... |
| 17:33.45 | Priest-of-Psi | hello everyone |
| 17:33.48 | sid | He setup stipulations in his will to continue to have Ubuntu going if he dies rlaager |
| 17:33.52 | SeanTater | !greet Priest-of-Psi |
| 17:33.53 | dpkg | Salutations, Priest-of-Psi |
| 17:34.01 | Priest-of-Psi | I am grabbing the 3.1r2 net install cd |
| 17:34.05 | Priest-of-Psi | is that the latest? |
| 17:34.17 | sid | !tell Priest-of-Psi about d-i |
| 17:34.18 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: I believe so |
| 17:34.23 | sid | Priest-of-Psi: the page dpkg gave you has the latest |
| 17:34.25 | lunitik | sid: Ubuntu has similar policies... |
| 17:34.33 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: unless you want testing |
| 17:34.58 | Yamaraj | Shuttleworth is generous; so much so that I doubt his generosity. ;-) |
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| 17:35.05 | p3rti | umm someone know what happened? |
| 17:35.20 | sid | lunitik: eh, M.S. is the benevolent dictator. And I do'nt necessarily think that's a bad thing. Just make me cautious. Linux's development model has been excellent with a dictator. I'm just cautious and I'll wait and see how things play out. |
| 17:35.26 | lunitik | Yamaraj: he made his millions from open source... he wants to give back some ;) |
| 17:35.28 | SeanTater | p3rti: /what/ |
| 17:35.44 | p3rti | SeanTater, i'm install nvidia-glx and the other package to get nvidia drivers.. it works but when i make glxinfo |grep direct it say no what it mean? |
| 17:35.44 | SeanTater | p3rti: what are you referring to? |
| 17:36.00 | sid | lunitik: But what I really wanted to know..some of those cool things Ubuntu does to make gnome more friendly..will the DD maintainer for gnome use that stuff? Or is there some bad blood and he'll ignore it maybe? |
| 17:36.04 | lunitik | sid: he's stated he's stepping away from the day to day activities to set up stated support structure... |
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| 17:36.12 | Priest-of-Psi | ok grabbing the testing CD |
| 17:36.13 | Priest-of-Psi | :D |
| 17:36.24 | Priest-of-Psi | thanks guys! |
| 17:36.28 | p3rti | SeanTater, about my nvidia drivers.. i have installed i saw the NVIDIA logo but direct rendering its No. |
| 17:36.34 | SeanTater | p3rti: probably means you do not have direct rendering on, |
| 17:36.53 | lunitik | sid: actually, Ubuntu's Gnome is pretty much upstream with a pretty interface... everything they do is possible with Debian, or Fedora etc etc |
| 17:36.56 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 17:37.05 | p3rti | SeanTater, yes.. so how can i do?. i think that when i install the drivers of nvidia i will get that. |
| 17:37.08 | Yamaraj | Debian supports MP3 without third party plugins? Sounds good to me. |
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| 17:37.14 | Priest-of-Psi | I am actually anoyed that I got a notebook with a ATI Graphics card |
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| 17:37.20 | SeanTater | p3rti: try playing any game with a fair amount of graphics (EG: bzflag), if it's not a slideshow, you're file. That's how I do it.. |
| 17:37.29 | lunitik | Yamaraj: libmad0 is in main afaik... so yes |
| 17:37.36 | SeanTater | p3rti: /fine/ not file, sorry |
| 17:37.38 | p3rti | SeanTater, i probe it.. and its sloow |
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| 17:37.46 | SeanTater | p3 |
| 17:37.51 | Priest-of-Psi | p3rti: |
| 17:37.52 | SeanTater | oops |
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| 17:37.59 | Priest-of-Psi | glxinfo |grep direct |
| 17:38.00 | p3rti | Priest-of-Psi, tell me |
| 17:38.01 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Then why others like Fedora behave like stubborns? |
| 17:38.04 | Priest-of-Psi | pastebin the output please |
| 17:38.07 | p3rti | Priest-of-Psi, it say No. |
| 17:38.08 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: he already did |
| 17:38.12 | sid | lunitik: So you're saying unstable will have the same gnome as Ubu, the upstream from gnome.org but just with a different pretty interface? |
| 17:38.18 | Priest-of-Psi | ok then there is not direct rendering |
| 17:38.25 | SeanTater | p3rti: testing or sarge? |
| 17:38.27 | sid | lunitik: Don't patents last 20 years? |
| 17:38.28 | Priest-of-Psi | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE |
| 17:38.29 | JordiGH | Speech recognition software? I'd like to be able to dictate to my box instead of typing. Sphinx might be an option, but I'm not sure yet if it does what I want. |
| 17:38.31 | Priest-of-Psi | and pastebin it |
| 17:38.37 | p3rti | Priest-of-Psi, glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)" and it say.. Nvidia and all stuff.. |
| 17:38.43 | lunitik | Yamaraj: no idea... although if you're talking about proprietary things... Ubuntu makes such things easier to access... |
| 17:38.44 | p3rti | SeanTater, SID |
| 17:38.50 | lunitik | sid: mp3 is old |
| 17:38.53 | SeanTater | p3rti: same problem |
| 17:38.57 | Priest-of-Psi | p3rti: do what I said earlier |
| 17:38.58 | lunitik | sid: the patents are due to run out soon |
| 17:39.00 | SeanTater | p3rti: won;t work here either |
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| 17:39.25 | p3rti | SeanTater, what???.. it doesnt work on sid? |
| 17:39.29 | Priest-of-Psi | p3rti: can you also pastebin you xorg.conf please |
| 17:39.39 | Priest-of-Psi | p3rti: you can make it work |
| 17:39.40 | Priest-of-Psi | :D |
| 17:39.42 | SeanTater | JordiGH: sphinx is not what you are looking for unless you plan to write your own speech recognitiot from scratch, but I don't know of any others, sorry |
| 17:39.44 | lunitik | Yamaraj: restricted is on the install cd for instance... so proprietary drivers are configured for you... |
| 17:39.46 | p3rti | Priest-of-Psi, lol.. |
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| 17:40.03 | p3rti | Priest-of-Psi, i can paste it.. but i will kick it by flood |
| 17:40.04 | lunitik | Yamaraj: actual software though is upstream with a pretty interface like I said |
| 17:40.09 | SeanTater | p3rti: Not that I know, but I have not been very persistant in making it work |
| 17:40.10 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Yeah. I installed using the latest Etch DVD. |
| 17:40.10 | JordiGH | SeanTater: I'm browsing the Debian archives. Transcriber, hm? |
| 17:40.13 | Priest-of-Psi | p3rti: |
| 17:40.18 | Priest-of-Psi | www.pastebin.cs |
| 17:40.19 | Priest-of-Psi | www.pastebin.ca |
| 17:40.44 | lunitik | !paste |
| 17:40.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:40.54 | sid | lunitik: For now the best solution is for http://www.nyse.com/about/listed/lcddata.html?ticker=TMS ; the company that owns the patents goes bottom up. heh Then IBM can buy the patents and make stipulations in the licensing for them to allow free software developers to use them. Like they have with so many other patents. |
| 17:41.03 | SeanTater | JordiGH: I once used it, but I don;t remember figuring it out.. Sounds like a place to start though. |
| 17:41.17 | JordiGH | Heh. |
| 17:41.19 | JordiGH | !info cowsay |
| 17:41.21 | dpkg | cowsay: (A configurable talking cow), section games, is optional. Version: 3.03-8 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 17:41.32 | JordiGH | I'm so apt-getting that. :P |
| 17:41.33 | JordiGH | Reply to your post... Livejournal |
| 17:41.33 | JordiGH | pixie_of_spite - LJ Comment |
| 17:41.33 | JordiGH | I (r=1-sin(theta)) math (pixie_of_spite) replied to your LiveJournal post in ... |
| 17:41.33 | JordiGH | issmeinhirn - LJ Comment |
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| 17:41.49 | lunitik | JordiGH: bad boy! |
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| 17:41.57 | lin00bies | Good day guys, has anyone here implement multipath route with failover? TIA |
| 17:41.57 | sid | !tell JordiGH about paste |
| 17:42.09 | Priest-of-Psi | what versoion of xfce is in etch? |
| 17:42.13 | JordiGH | Yeah, yeah, I know about paste. I accidentally hit ctrl+insert. |
| 17:42.16 | lunitik | !anyone |
| 17:42.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:42.38 | sid | !tell lin00bies about ask |
| 17:42.39 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: I'm using sid with nvidia drivers also, but I glxinfo says "command not found" |
| 17:42.51 | Priest-of-Psi | SeanTater: intall mesa-apps |
| 17:42.55 | lunitik | Priest-of-Psi: beta of 4.4.x afaik |
| 17:42.59 | jetscreamer | SeanTater: ^^ |
| 17:43.02 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: okay |
| 17:43.02 | Priest-of-Psi | its not includeed in modular xorg |
| 17:43.22 | jetscreamer | !glxgears |
| 17:43.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 17:43.28 | sid | !tell Priest-of-Psi about info xfce4 etch |
| 17:43.29 | jetscreamer | i thought it was -showfps |
| 17:43.31 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 17:43.32 | lunitik | jetscreamer: !tell people about long-ass-factoids |
| 17:43.36 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: E: Couldn't find package mesa-apps |
| 17:43.37 | p3rti | brb |
| 17:43.37 | sid | Priest-of-Psi: /msg dpkg help; /msg dpkg info package branch |
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| 17:43.45 | jetscreamer | mesa-utils |
| 17:43.58 | Priest-of-Psi | SeanTater: I have not used debian before |
| 17:44.10 | jetscreamer | SeanTater: mesa-utils |
| 17:44.18 | Priest-of-Psi | I am using archlinux at the momemnt |
| 17:44.25 | SeanTater | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 17:44.28 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: okay |
| 17:44.29 | Priest-of-Psi | apt-cache search mesa |more |
| 17:44.32 | Priest-of-Psi | :) |
| 17:44.37 | jetscreamer | less>more |
| 17:44.42 | sid | lunitik: I wonder how much worth those patents have. How much would they sell for you think. The mpeg related patents, including mp3 |
| 17:44.47 | Priest-of-Psi | jetscreamer: yeah agreed |
| 17:44.51 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: Less is more. :-) |
| 17:45.02 | Priest-of-Psi | more or less |
| 17:45.02 | lunitik | sid: a lot... most media devices use them etc |
| 17:45.21 | lunitik | sid: but like I said, they're running out soon, so whatever |
| 17:45.23 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:45.24 | sid | a billion dollars for them? |
| 17:45.35 | sid | lunitik: awesome. I can't wait. |
| 17:45.38 | Priest-of-Psi | SeanTater: then your nvidia is working |
| 17:45.42 | Priest-of-Psi | :) |
| 17:45.43 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: hum |
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| 17:46.02 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: but my games are slideshows, and I know the video card can do it, ubuntu did. |
| 17:46.11 | lunitik | sid: why? you having difficulty with libmad0 today? |
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| 17:46.39 | Priest-of-Psi | SeanTater: what card is this in question |
| 17:46.41 | lunitik | SeanTater: nvidia? Ubuntu installs that for you :/ |
| 17:46.50 | Kraig | is there some package i can use to control the speed of a song? if posible an xmms plugin? |
| 17:46.51 | sid | lunitik: no, I just hate software idea patents that prevent GNU / Linux users/developers from doing things proprietary operating systems can do easily. |
| 17:47.06 | SeanTater | lunitik: no, I had to install the nvidia drivers (non-free), my self |
| 17:47.19 | lunitik | sid: Debian ignores the mp3 patents today... mainly because no one enforces them |
| 17:47.42 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] <-- lspci |
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| 17:47.54 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmmf |
| 17:48.01 | Priest-of-Psi | install tux racer |
| 17:48.07 | Priest-of-Psi | and check if it runs |
| 17:48.08 | lunitik | !tell SeanTater about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 17:48.13 | JordiGH | lunitik: "Mainly because..."? If that were so, we should be using proprietary software. When was the last time anyone enforced anything? |
| 17:48.18 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: It's called ppracer |
| 17:48.22 | JordiGH | !info ppracer |
| 17:48.23 | lunitik | SeanTater: read that link, have fun |
| 17:48.32 | Priest-of-Psi | is there a website I can check the packages included in etch? |
| 17:48.33 | SeanTater | lunitik: I did, that's how I installed them |
| 17:48.53 | JordiGH | !info planetpenguin-racer |
| 17:48.57 | SeanTater | Priest-of-Psi: I does run, it plays, and halts, plays, halts, constantly. |
| 17:49.00 | dpkg | planetpenguin-racer: (another 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin), section games, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 278 kB, Installed size: 680 kB |
| 17:49.00 | SpeedyG | anyone here who knows what 'hdx: lost interrupt' means, and what the consequences can be? |
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| 17:49.11 | lunitik | JordiGH: libmad0 is open source... and mp3 patents are not enforced... other things do not go into Debian because they are enforced... |
| 17:49.35 | lunitik | SeanTater: I'm confused then... whats the issue? |
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| 17:50.14 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: we have it here aswell |
| 17:50.22 | sid | Additionally, patent holders declined to enforce license fees on open source decoders, allowing many free MP3 decoders to develop. Furthermore, while attempts have been made to discourage distribution of encoder binaries, Thomson has stated that individuals using free MP3 encoders are not required to pay fees. Thus while patent fees have been an issue for companies attempting to use MP3, they have not meaningfully impacted users, allowing t |
| 17:50.22 | sid | he format to grow in popularity. |
| 17:50.32 | lunitik | JordiGH: for instance, libdvdcss ... dvd patents are enforced (although that doesn't explain libdvdread and friends being in Debian) |
| 17:50.35 | val25 | where can I get public key from non-US.debian.org ???? |
| 17:50.35 | JordiGH | Speaking of freedom and music, what was the thing with cddb? |
| 17:50.44 | SeanTater | lunitik: I'm not real sure, I just don't remember ubuntu doinng that, maybe it did and I do not remember -- who knows |
| 17:50.49 | sid | lunitik: I think Thomson wants the format to grow(as it has), then just charge companies with money as they can. So they allow mp3 to be used with freesoftware in hopes that it grows more. |
| 17:51.00 | val25 | where can I get public key from non-US.debian.org ???? |
| 17:51.24 | JordiGH | val25: Have you asked dpkg, the channel bot yet? |
| 17:51.41 | val25 | no |
| 17:51.57 | JordiGH | !tell val25 about apt 2006 key |
| 17:51.59 | sid | lunitik: The Fraunhofer patents expire April 2010, at which time MP3 algorithms become public domain. |
| 17:52.06 | SeanTater | val: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 17:52.11 | jetscreamer | you go to the gpg website and put that hex key reported by apt in, and find the match |
| 17:52.16 | sid | lunitik: We still have more then 4 years |
| 17:52.21 | lunitik | sid: ahh... I was way off... damnit |
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| 17:52.28 | sid | yep, dammit |
| 17:52.30 | sid | heh |
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| 17:52.53 | lunitik | Well, 2 years... thats not that much... |
| 17:52.58 | sid | I want all those mpeg-2 related patents. I wish they would expire soon. |
| 17:53.02 | Priest-of-Psi | how stable is etch? |
| 17:53.08 | JordiGH | Aha, gracenote. That's who tainted cddb. |
| 17:53.14 | sid | Priest-of-Psi: It's great for a desktop, can break sometimes. |
| 17:53.15 | trygg | lunitik: which of them is where the shortcut is to and where it shall be? |
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| 17:53.23 | sid | Priest-of-Psi: I recommend sarge for production server. |
| 17:53.44 | Priest-of-Psi | well this is a development box -> python + gtk |
| 17:53.47 | lunitik | trygg: ln -s /orginal/file/source /new/home/of/file/destination |
| 17:53.55 | Priest-of-Psi | I started coding a mysql query manager |
| 17:54.04 | Priest-of-Psi | because most of the other ones are really bad |
| 17:54.09 | sid | lunitik: But they actively enforce their patents on companies with money. |
| 17:54.22 | trygg | Ah, thanks. |
| 17:54.32 | sid | lunitik: But they don't enforce it to poor people/free software/individuals. They want it to spread. |
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| 17:55.00 | sid | So I think free software users/developers are safe from patent infringement lawsuits for the next 4 years. |
| 17:55.06 | JordiGH | sid: A case of "benefitting from piracy", so to speak. |
| 17:55.10 | Gathond | JordiGH: yes:) |
| 17:55.17 | sid | JordiGH: looks that way to me. |
| 17:55.21 | JordiGH | Gathond: When? |
| 17:55.30 | Gathond | JordiGH: a hardlink would not be invalidated if one deletes one of the files |
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| 17:55.35 | lunitik | JordiGH: hardlinks are just more aggressive... removing destination of hardlink remove original file for instance |
| 17:56.00 | lunitik | Gathond: ahhh... then my statement can't be right... doh |
| 17:56.07 | Gathond | lunitik: not iirc, a hardlink is just another filename reference to the same inode |
| 17:56.27 | lunitik | Gathond: I thought thats what a symlink is |
| 17:56.35 | JordiGH | Gathond: As I understood it, a hardlink would also vanish if you delete the file? |
| 17:56.36 | Gathond | so with a hardlink you can delete the original after deleting the link, and the stuff is still there |
| 17:56.52 | Gathond | JordiGH: iirc only if you delete both references, original and link |
| 17:56.54 | Coweater | JordiGH: no, the file gets deleted once all it's hard links are gone |
| 17:56.54 | SpeedyG | anyone who can tell me what 'hdx: lost interrupt' means? |
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| 17:57.30 | Gathond | lunitik: a symbolic link is a file to a path (advantage here is these can span multiple filesystems, while a hardlink must be within the same partition) |
| 17:57.56 | JordiGH | Coweater: Ok, I get it. It's two names to the same file. |
| 17:57.58 | sid | lunitik: mpeg-2 isn't nearly as easy though..there are like 600+ patents hooked into mpeg-2. That's why gnome won't even go near mpeg-2 |
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| 17:58.34 | sid | lunitik: The development of mpeg-2 took less time then the patent negotiations. Literally. |
| 17:58.36 | lunitik | sid: gnome media = gstreamer, which supports mpeg2 :/ |
| 17:59.08 | sid | lunitik: But can you record/write mpeg-2? |
| 17:59.13 | lunitik | Doesn't support WMV though... |
| 17:59.23 | sid | hmm, I haven't used gnome in a long time. I should look at it. |
| 17:59.25 | Priest-of-Psi | guys |
| 17:59.32 | lunitik | sid: presumably... I don't know know enough about gstreamer though |
| 17:59.36 | Priest-of-Psi | I had a issue with sarge not detecting my sata controller |
| 17:59.44 | Priest-of-Psi | will that be fixed in etch? |
| 17:59.52 | JordiGH | Oh, oh, oh, you guys have reminded me of something else. I have some avis created by a competitor of GNU Octave. They play, but wrong; without colour and out of focus. Any idea what could be wrong? |
| 18:00.36 | lunitik | Gstreamer is around though... cuz the packages decided it requires gstreamer and xine :/ |
| 18:00.38 | nakeee | Priest-of-Psi, it's a matter of kernel version |
| 18:00.47 | lunitik | s/packages/packagers/ |
| 18:00.53 | jetscreamer | sounds like gnome to me |
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| 18:01.22 | nakeee | JordiGH, what does octave got to do with avis? |
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| 18:02.28 | JordiGH | nakeee: It doesn't, but its competitor creates avis. |
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| 18:02.57 | nakeee | JordiGH, its competitor? |
| 18:03.06 | JordiGH | Oh, fine... I'll say it. Matlab. |
| 18:03.07 | lunitik | JordiGH: mplayer = devil? |
| 18:03.24 | JordiGH | Mathematical software. |
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| 18:03.33 | SpeedyG | lol |
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| 18:04.12 | nakeee | JordiGH, saying matlab compete with octave gives octave way too much credit:) |
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| 18:04.51 | parjoha | Is there any custom made debian installer with kernel 2.6.17? |
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| 18:04.59 | parjoha | I thought I might ask before trying to create my own |
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| 18:05.08 | JordiGH | nakeee: Eh, I'd like to downplay Matlab's importance. I'm particularly annoyed that a piece of proprietary software that sometimes even claims ownership over code you write is an industry standard. :-/ |
| 18:05.17 | biz | is there a way to set termcap capabilities for gnu screen via command line args? i want to disable the ti and te capabilities of xterm to enable sb scrolling within screen, however setting it in my .screenrc results in disabling them for all windows within screen |
| 18:05.23 | nakeee | JordiGH, anyhow it's most likely the codec you use for the avi and how you play it (try with opengl backend on mplayer or xv) |
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| 18:05.49 | nakeee | JordiGH, check scilab |
| 18:05.52 | JordiGH | nakeee: Ideally, I'd like to convert the avis to ogg. |
| 18:05.55 | JordiGH | Scilab isn't free either. |
| 18:06.22 | Fionn | how do I find out which package contains "libXvMCW.so.1" ? |
| 18:06.46 | cydork | !tell Fionn about search |
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| 18:06.49 | nakeee | JordiGH, it's not fsf compatible but it's free as in you can do whatever you want with the code for non commercial use |
| 18:06.51 | JordiGH | nakeee: What's the opengl backend? I'm not afraid of using Marillat. What should I download? |
| 18:07.00 | parjoha | Fionn: packages.debian.org |
| 18:07.04 | JordiGH | nakeee: Not free enough for me. |
| 18:07.08 | nakeee | JordiGH, nothing just do mplayer -vo help |
| 18:07.20 | aubergine | How can i change hostname without a reboot? |
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| 18:07.42 | Priest-of-Psi | I know this is not the place to ask this but is there a application that one can use to move a avi file into a dvd format?: |
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| 18:07.46 | nakeee | aubergine, /etc/hostname? |
| 18:07.46 | Fionn | thanks cydork, parjoha |
| 18:07.48 | vulture | aubergine: what about changing your hostname would require a reboot? |
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| 18:07.55 | Priest-of-Psi | erm |
| 18:07.57 | mrec_ | does anyone know where I can upload a small 300 kbyte mp3 for free without having to sign up? |
| 18:08.01 | Priest-of-Psi | any ops here? |
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| 18:08.24 | JordiGH | nakeee: Anyways, I really like Octave. Its got syntax improvements over the competition, and octaviz looks really nice. |
| 18:08.30 | JordiGH | It's |
| 18:08.33 | nakeee | JordiGH, octave is very buggy and missing a lot of feature it's not like people have much choise |
| 18:08.43 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: octave? |
| 18:08.51 | letto | how do i modify what daemons start a boot time in debian? |
| 18:08.56 | aubergine | vulture: i have changed it but the name is already the same |
| 18:09.00 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: Mathematical software. |
| 18:09.01 | nakeee | ledet, rcconf |
| 18:09.08 | lunitik | letto: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:09.08 | Priest-of-Psi | rc.conf |
| 18:09.17 | vulture | aubergine: where do you see the old name? |
| 18:09.21 | nakeee | aubergine, same where? |
| 18:09.40 | JordiGH | nakeee: It's got what I need. And I know that I can improve it, and it's got an active community. Heh, and if you're going to be bashing free software, #debian is the wrong place to do it. >:) |
| 18:09.47 | Priest-of-Psi | 20 minutes for etch!!! |
| 18:10.00 | nakeee | aubergine, most programs check the hostname once on load, you might need to close it and look again, but to see if the change happened use hostname |
| 18:10.01 | Priest-of-Psi | thanks guys I really think I will be at home with this distro |
| 18:10.02 | Priest-of-Psi | :) |
| 18:10.03 | enouf | Priest-of-Psi: whomever you are talking to it's "rcconf" |
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| 18:10.07 | aubergine | - warning: unable to determine IP address of 'Hostname', but i have changed hostname to the original hostname |
| 18:10.23 | lunitik | Priest-of-Psi: good luck, and stuff |
| 18:10.24 | Priest-of-Psi | aubergine: check /etc/hosts |
| 18:10.42 | Priest-of-Psi | there is a entry called 127.0.0.1 localhost yoursystemhostname |
| 18:11.07 | nakeee | JordiGH, opensource programs can also be piece of crap |
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| 18:11.26 | Priest-of-Psi | lunitik: thanks mate |
| 18:11.31 | nakeee | JordiGH, the fact a program is opensource doesn't make it good |
| 18:11.39 | cydork | nakeee, wtf are you takin about ? linux is opensourse !! |
| 18:11.42 | aubergine | Priest: ty |
| 18:11.50 | lunitik | nakeee: not that I disagree... but shut up... saying such things here is a bad idea |
| 18:11.57 | Priest-of-Psi | aubergine: no issues man |
| 18:12.04 | JordiGH | nakeee: Octave has two big shortcomings: smaller function set than the competition, and it's missing JIT. The first is slowly being chipped away by octave-forge, the second will take more work. |
| 18:12.39 | JordiGH | nakeee: And Matlab is largely open source too... the only source you can't see it for the backslash operator. I suggest you use the term "free software" instead. |
| 18:12.46 | lunitik | JordiGH: ^^ |
| 18:12.47 | JordiGH | s/it/is |
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| 18:13.25 | nakeee | cydork, I said that the fact a program is opensource doesn't automaticly make it a good software what does it have to do with linux?:) |
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| 18:14.11 | lunitik | nakeee: it will still be preferred 99.9999999999999% of the time by people in #debian |
| 18:14.22 | cydork | nakeee, well i am not RMS. but still i support opensource :) |
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| 18:14.38 | lunitik | cydork: RMS doesn't support Open Source |
| 18:14.42 | nakeee | JordiGH, it's 10 time slower than matlab in calculations, it core dumps very often, it missing a lot of dsp related stuff, it missing a lot in graph creating, it's missing in picture manipulation |
| 18:14.51 | Coweater | rms is the free software guy |
| 18:14.52 | lordnazgul | are there any complications or issues i should be aware of when installing grub to a partition that is software raid 1? I don't want it in the mbr. |
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| 18:15.17 | nakeee | cydork, RMS would have gotten pretty upset for you saying he supports opensource:PP |
| 18:15.33 | lunitik | cydork: if you give him a chance, he'll chew your ear off about why Open Source is bad, and why Free Software is the only way to develop |
| 18:15.38 | Yamaraj | RMS doesn't know what he talks about. LSD? :-P |
| 18:15.46 | cydork | lunitik, hehehhe |
| 18:16.11 | JordiGH | nakeee: No, it's slower in for-loops because it doesn't have JIT. Matlab used to have the same problem. But tic-toc individual operations, and you'll see that most individual operations are faster. Octave just forces you to vectorise more smartly. I don't do image manipulation myself, but you have seen the stuff in Octave-forge, right? There's fft and a lot of commonly used image processing tools. |
| 18:16.45 | lunitik | Maybe Linus would have been a FreeBSD devel if it weren't for GNU? |
| 18:16.49 | letto | aren't the alsa and udev daemon supposed to be checked in sysv-rc-conf? |
| 18:17.08 | nakeee | JordiGH, and still I stand behind saying it's slower, I ran a lot of code on both, and there is huge different |
| 18:17.28 | nakeee | JordiGH, I'm sure it can be fixed but octave seem to advance very slowly |
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| 18:17.42 | Yamaraj | lunitik: I think Linus would have been a C#/.NET coder if it hadn't been GNU/Linux. ;-) |
| 18:17.45 | JordiGH | nakeee: It's the interpreter that's slow. You can always compile with Octave and it usually works just as well. |
| 18:17.51 | nakeee | JordiGH, I'm think there is better chance in getting scilab people to opensource it |
| 18:17.51 | Blissex | lunitik: no, the issue at the time was the AT&T/Berkeley lawsuit. A lot of people chose Linux because it could never happen that AT&T or SCO could sue something developed by a student in Finland... :-) |
| 18:18.01 | lunitik | Yamaraj: .NET wasn't around back then :/ |
| 18:18.15 | JordiGH | But right, this is starting to get offtopic. |
| 18:18.29 | Yamaraj | lunitik: These days, I meant. |
| 18:18.35 | lunitik | Blissex: I'm saying, if GNU had never started, and he'd never have used Linux with GNU tools... what would he have used instead? |
| 18:19.01 | Blissex | lunitik: ahhh, that's a completely different thing. But he actually started from Minix :-) |
| 18:19.21 | lunitik | Yamaraj: I'm pretty sure its difficult if not impossible to write a kernel in C# ... not to mention probably just bad design |
| 18:19.24 | JordiGH | lunitik: The HURD? :P |
| 18:19.24 | Blissex | lunitik: there were (and are) a few suites of tools that are not GNU, including a few C compilers. |
| 18:19.44 | lunitik | JordiGH: HURD is part of GNU... I'm saying if GNU hadn't started in the first place |
| 18:19.52 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, you're talking about Linus Torvalds, not rms. Never mind. |
| 18:19.55 | Blissex | lunitik: for example the Princeton one IIRC, 'lcc' |
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| 18:21.09 | Yamaraj | Anyway, it was pretty brave of RMS to start GNU back then. |
| 18:21.37 | JordiGH | Yamaraj: Hear, hear. It must have sounded much more nuts back then that free software could work out. |
| 18:21.40 | Blissex | lunitik: anyhow, Linux is just the Nth UNIX clone to exist; Waterloo University did one in their own Pascal like language called "Tunis" many years ago, and there were many others, including other european ones. |
| 18:22.01 | JordiGH | Blissex: And let's not forget M$ Unix... :P |
| 18:22.08 | stoned | We started with Commador Basic |
| 18:22.11 | lunitik | Xenix |
| 18:22.11 | Yamaraj | lol Xenix. |
| 18:22.17 | stoned | then gw basic, and then qwbasic |
| 18:22.28 | stoned | and fortran 77, then pascal, then C, then C++ and now C# |
| 18:22.29 | Blissex | JordiGH: that was Microsoft Xenix, and it was a proper AT&T licensed version. |
| 18:22.50 | stoned | ahh boy, the good old days |
| 18:22.52 | stoned | ITS YAMRAG! |
| 18:22.56 | stoned | J |
| 18:23.00 | stoned | Not Yama Raj |
| 18:23.03 | Blissex | not many know that for many years Microsoft was the biggest UNIX vendor, and all their e-mail and servers were running UNIX (Xenix of course). |
| 18:23.08 | Yamaraj | Yeah. Xenix was SysVr3 I think? |
| 18:23.09 | stoned | what the fuck is wrong with people |
| 18:23.18 | stoned | why do they inisit on fucking up the spelling of sanskrit words |
| 18:23.25 | lunitik | Blissex: wasn't Xenix part of the group that developed SysV ? (them, at&t and sun?) |
| 18:23.28 | stoned | :/ |
| 18:23.30 | JordiGH | Was there ever a SysIV? Or SysIII? |
| 18:23.32 | Yamaraj | stoned: Shut up! |
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| 18:23.50 | stoned | fucking westerners taking on our shit and fucking it up cuz they dont' even know wtf it is |
| 18:23.57 | stoned | back to my mantra |
| 18:24.15 | stoned | Its my mother tongue |
| 18:24.16 | lunitik | stoned: wtf are you babbling about? don't you have munchies? |
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| 18:24.21 | lunitik | stoned: go eat or something |
| 18:24.32 | stoned | I'm babbling about Vasisth(a) and Yam(a)Raj |
| 18:24.41 | stoned | why the fuck do they put "a" after every goddamn thing |
| 18:24.45 | stoned | its not even pronouced like that |
| 18:24.45 | azeem | stoned: kindly do so elsewhere |
| 18:24.49 | stoned | a is entirely unneccerily |
| 18:24.55 | stoned | ok |
| 18:25.06 | Yamaraj | stoned: Take some sleeping pills and say good night. |
| 18:25.14 | Blissex | lunitik: System V was AT&T developed, but there was a project to do its successor by SCO (before Caldera) AT&T, IBM, called .... Ack can't remember. From that came all the current SCO mess. |
| 18:25.15 | Priest-of-Psi | stoned: I think you should take your attitude elsewhere |
| 18:25.16 | JordiGH | Buffer vowels. It's like pronouncing "Cthulhu" "Cuh-thul-huh" |
| 18:25.30 | stoned | its not attitude |
| 18:25.43 | Firehand | what do i need to do to have anti-aliased fonts in gtk2 apps? |
| 18:25.48 | jetscreamer | yeah it's just how he is :o |
| 18:26.05 | stoned | its the morons fucking up my language anyway fuck it |
| 18:26.11 | stoned | Firehand, its hard |
| 18:26.20 | lunitik | Blissex: AT&T and Sun merged Unix and BSD based code at some point... I thought that was for SysV... I also thought Xenix has a part in that... |
| 18:26.20 | Yamaraj | Your language? I'm flattered! |
| 18:26.22 | stoned | Firehand, the only way I found that reliably works is this |
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| 18:26.43 | lunitik | Blissex: fwiw though, that co development is why SCO can't touch Sun even today... |
| 18:26.45 | Blissex | JordiGH: I used System III at work, then System V.[234] at home before Linux |
| 18:27.01 | stoned | Firehand, install xfce-mcs-manager and xfce-mcs-plugins and use the xfce minimal config box to configure it. It is much better than switch/switich 2, or the gtk kcontrol module |
| 18:27.06 | JordiGH | Blissex: Wow. Now THAT's old skool. |
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| 18:27.15 | Blissex | lunitik: sort of yes. As to Xenix/System V, that was just the message queues etc., little bits. |
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| 18:27.29 | JordiGH | Is LainOS *nix-like? |
| 18:27.43 | Yamaraj | SCO OpenServer is based on Xenix I think. |
| 18:28.18 | Firehand | ok stoned, i'll try that |
| 18:28.22 | stoned | Firehand, the packages will provide you with "xfce4-settings-show" binary or something. Run it under KDE and you'll be fine. This I am thinking you want antialiasin in gtk2 apps on kde, otherwise if you run gnome/xfce4 they include the option of turning it on. |
| 18:28.36 | lunitik | Yamaraj: I think its a direct descendant... yes |
| 18:28.48 | Blissex | Yamaraj: no, SCO OpenServer is strictly System V. |
| 18:28.56 | Firehand | stoned: your guess is right :) it used to work with the QT Theme for gtk2, but suddenly it don't work anymore |
| 18:29.00 | Blissex | Yamaraj: Xenix is effectively dead. |
| 18:29.08 | Yamaraj | Blissex: Nope. Only 6.0 is. |
| 18:29.18 | lunitik | Blissex: Microsoft sold Xenix to old SCO (the company that because Tarentella) |
| 18:29.20 | Yamaraj | OpenServer 5.x were Sys3. |
| 18:29.26 | stoned | Firehand, yeah just install the packages I said, and run the resulting binary they provide, under kde, and chose how your gtk2 apps look |
| 18:29.29 | lunitik | s/because/became/) |
| 18:30.07 | stoned | Firehand, you can accomplish it with gnome-control-center as well, but I find that installing that under kde will screw with your DPI, which you can fix, but I dunno, gnome is a donkey's ass anyway |
| 18:30.07 | Yamaraj | OpenServer 6 is based on UnixWare 7, which is Sys5r4. |
| 18:30.24 | Blissex | Yamaraj: I suspect that you are confusing System III with System V.3 perhaps |
| 18:30.55 | stoned | Firehand, example > http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/kde.jpg |
| 18:30.59 | lunitik | Yamaraj: SCO merged UnixWare and OpenServer ... that is very recent though, and little to no one cares... |
| 18:31.07 | Firehand | stoned: no way that i install anything of gnome which is not a part of a dependency of some other decent tool |
| 18:31.22 | Yamaraj | Blissex: I meant SysV.3, of course. |
| 18:31.41 | JordiGH | By the by, anyone have a witty comeback to the accusation that free software is the product of dirty commies? |
| 18:31.46 | Blissex | Yamaraj: ahhh, OK. The original Xenix was based on System III... |
| 18:31.50 | stoned | Firehand, I am using the gtk2-engines-xfce package and using xfce-kolors theme on gtk2 controls, and DejaVu Serif Condensed on gtk2 apps and in kde, and they look beautiful |
| 18:32.15 | Priest-of-Psi | bbl |
| 18:32.19 | Priest-of-Psi | installing etch |
| 18:32.20 | Priest-of-Psi | :D |
| 18:32.26 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Yeah. Nobody cares for SCO now. |
| 18:32.27 | Firehand | stoned: starting up xfce-setting-show does not do anything here |
| 18:32.39 | Blissex | JordiGH: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/C/linux-communism.jpg of course! |
| 18:32.42 | stoned | Firehand, run it from console |
| 18:32.48 | Firehand | i run it from console |
| 18:33.02 | stoned | fireba11, did you install xfce-mcs-manager and xfce-mcs-plugins |
| 18:33.04 | lunitik | Blissex: You don't have permission to access /xirc/C/linux-communism.jpg on this server. :'( |
| 18:33.11 | Firehand | stoned: yes |
| 18:33.12 | JordiGH | Blissex: That link is forbidden, comrade. :-( |
| 18:33.28 | Blissex | JordiGH: wait sec... |
| 18:34.12 | stoned | Firehand, /usr/bin/xfce-setting-show is provided by xfce4-mcs-manager |
| 18:34.17 | JordiGH | Bwhehehe... that's great. :P |
| 18:34.19 | Yamaraj | Apparantly, SCO OpenServer 6.0 is codenamed 'Legend'. :-D |
| 18:34.20 | Blissex | JordiGH: better now :-) |
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| 18:34.41 | lunitik | http://www.roback.cc/photos/albums/Funny/Computers/linux-communism.jpg ? |
| 18:34.42 | Firehand | stoned: i installed xfce4-mcs-manager xfce4-mcs-plugins and the deps it pulled |
| 18:34.48 | lunitik | Same thing? |
| 18:35.01 | stoned | Firehand, do dpkg -L xfce4-mcs-manager|grep bin |
| 18:35.07 | stoned | Firehand, you should see the binary |
| 18:35.08 | lunitik | http://www.roback.cc/photos/index.php?pageType=folder&currDir=./Funny/Computers |
| 18:35.27 | Yamaraj | lol. Vladimir Torvalds. |
| 18:35.28 | Firehand | stoned: yep, i see two binaries |
| 18:35.40 | JordiGH | I salute comrade Linus. Here at #debian party headquarters, we are all quite proud of his accomplishments for the good of the proletariat. |
| 18:36.19 | stoned | its like the madonna and qabalah thing |
| 18:36.30 | stoned | just cuz it sounds cool she adopts it |
| 18:36.34 | stoned | without knowing anything about it really |
| 18:36.52 | lunitik | s/GNU/GNU HURD/ :/ |
| 18:37.24 | Blissex | http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/C/knuthForDummies.jpg may also amuse |
| 18:37.27 | Yamaraj | stoned: Will you ever shut up? I'm an Indian myself. |
| 18:37.28 | JordiGH | Same, lunitik. |
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| 18:37.41 | stoned | Yamaraj, I'm not talking to you am I? and make me |
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| 18:37.51 | JordiGH | Same, that is, same here, lunitik. I use Debian because it's got everything I need and it's easy to install new stuff. |
| 18:38.22 | Yamaraj | "Debian is better." |
| 18:38.39 | stoned | nah |
| 18:38.43 | stoned | its not better |
| 18:38.50 | stoned | neither is it worse actually |
| 18:39.00 | stoned | its different. better is a relative, not an absolute |
| 18:39.28 | Yamaraj | It's not different, only better. |
| 18:39.43 | stoned | thats a matter of opinion, and I dont' give a fuck about yours |
| 18:39.43 | itchi | I need an pfd reader for in the cli, what recomend you? I not find one for without X |
| 18:39.45 | Firehand | stoned: the problem magically disappeared here... |
| 18:39.51 | stoned | Firehand, is it fixed now? |
| 18:39.58 | JordiGH | Play friendly now... |
| 18:40.04 | itchi | and pdf i mean :-p |
| 18:40.10 | Firehand | stoned: seems so, fonts are aa'ed again... however i did nothing :o |
| 18:40.17 | vulture | itchi: pdf2txt or something, perhaps? |
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| 18:40.26 | stoned | Firehand, did you run the xfce4-setting-show thingy |
| 18:40.27 | enouf | lunitik: I know I'm behind .. but speaking of sysv-rc-conf, I've never used that one previous to now ;-) I like the fact it's a bit more robust(even though it's in terminal, not TUI), but it does show all the services and their various runlevel startups or not - and even the rcS.d parameter for each, and FWIW the GUI version within KDE would be KSysV, but the boxes are small(non-resizeable) and it's a bit confusing and doesn't show the rcS. |
| 18:40.27 | enouf | stuff |
| 18:40.29 | Blissex | http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/I/linuxCleansWhiter.jpg |
| 18:40.36 | itchi | vulture: Gona look, thanks ;-) |
| 18:40.36 | Yamaraj | There are no CLI PDF reader, AFAIK. |
| 18:40.50 | Firehand | stoned: i tried to, but no i don't see a window |
| 18:40.53 | stoned | Firehand, usually running that takes care of everything. I actually put it in my autostart so when kde starts, it launches that settings thing before loading any of my gtk2 apps |
| 18:40.55 | Blissex | http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/I/microport286-88.jpg for my old 286 PC running System V.2 |
| 18:41.05 | Firehand | it exits as soon as i start it |
| 18:41.14 | stoned | Firehand, are you serious, it works here. What debian release are you using? |
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| 18:41.22 | enouf | more robust than my favorite til now "rcconf" the TUI version - which just deals with Startup, no runlevel adjustments |
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| 18:41.44 | itchi | vulture: Is that an package? I have not that package here |
| 18:41.53 | Firehand | stoned: unstable |
| 18:41.57 | itchi | Yamaraj: So we need to convert it? |
| 18:42.03 | stoned | Firehand, me too. do ps auxf|grep xfce |
| 18:42.16 | lunitik | enouf: mentioning KDE tools in here gets you flamed :/ |
| 18:42.17 | Firehand | stoned: nothing |
| 18:42.20 | stoned | Firehand, mcs manager should be running btw. soon as it is turned off, your fonts will get fucked again |
| 18:42.30 | Yamaraj | itchi: Yes. |
| 18:42.34 | lunitik | enouf: well... it gets me flamed :/ |
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| 18:42.46 | enouf | lunitik: yeah - so what else is fuckin new ;-) |
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| 18:42.59 | Firehand | stoned: no mcs manager running here, but font's are aa'ed... |
| 18:43.05 | stoned | Firehand, strange |
| 18:43.09 | Firehand | indeed |
| 18:43.16 | Firehand | but heck, as long as it works i don't care :) |
| 18:43.17 | lunitik | enouf: think who you're talking to... and ask yourself why you're trying to enlighten me as to KDE tools for things ;) |
| 18:43.19 | stoned | very strange, what did you do? |
| 18:43.21 | Firehand | just some stupid gtk2... |
| 18:43.33 | r3tex | i'm using wpa_supplicant and for some reason sit0 and tunl0 get made and do ipv6 over ipv4 |
| 18:43.37 | r3tex | what gives? |
| 18:43.45 | lunitik | enouf: especially tools in kde official modules |
| 18:43.51 | Firehand | stoned: well i tried to run the mcs manager thingy... and that was it... |
| 18:44.02 | stoned | Firehand, that is what I figured |
| 18:44.05 | JordiGH | itchi: How would a text-based pdf reader work anyways? Pdfs have a bunch more things in them than just text. |
| 18:44.19 | Firehand | stoned: but i don't see an mcs manager running now... |
| 18:44.38 | stoned | Firehand, maybe it fixed your ~/gtkrc or something |
| 18:44.39 | itchi | JordiGH: I not know ;-) We never know btw, so powerfull that system ;-) |
| 18:44.47 | Firehand | stoned: probably :) |
| 18:44.56 | stoned | Firehand, try remove xfce* |
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| 18:45.06 | stoned | Firehand, then restart X and see if the fonts remain |
| 18:45.18 | Firehand | stoned: will do |
| 18:45.20 | JordiGH | itchi: But there must be a way. Google can display pdfs as html, usually illegibly, but hey, it tries. |
| 18:45.37 | enouf | lunitik: I was clearing the air, b/c I always mention rcconf rather than sysv-rc-conf (as you normally do.. stopping a conflict before one begins, and just plain letting you know how I like it ;-] ...now, Anyone care to discuss modconf a bit? man that thing is d-e-e-p |
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| 18:46.38 | itchi | JordiGH: I think i go to convert it, but it's an book of Python, so i hope that some code are not killed of it :-/ |
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| 18:47.22 | JordiGH | itchi: Oh, Python docs? I thought Debian had plaintext Python documentation. |
| 18:47.30 | JordiGH | itchi: Or texinfo, possibly. |
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| 18:48.00 | Yamaraj | itchi: Why can't you have X? |
| 18:48.26 | ral1 | All debian's docs are written in rusty nails. |
| 18:48.36 | lunitik | enouf: imo, we should both agree to tell people sysvconfig or something :P |
| 18:48.59 | JordiGH | !info python2.5-doc |
| 18:49.00 | dpkg | python2.5-doc: (Documentation for the high-level object-oriented language Python (v2.5)), section contrib/doc, is optional. Version: 2.4.3+2.5b2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2717 kB, Installed size: 19064 kB |
| 18:49.04 | Firehand | stoned: packages removed, X restarted, fonts still aa'ed |
| 18:49.04 | JordiGH | Those are in html and texinfo format. |
| 18:49.25 | itchi | Yamaraj: It' for an friend that actually not have x installed on his computer, like he want to continue a bit without x, so learning and the time it's fixed |
| 18:49.28 | JordiGH | You can view the html, say, with lynx. |
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| 18:50.01 | itchi | It's a 'bite of python' |
| 18:50.03 | enouf | Q: how do the modules (chosen in modconf) make it into the kernel's CONFIG_ upon load time ?? I don't understand the kernel well enough yet to understand -- I think the major diff between initrd and initramfs is the former uses the pre-compiled and compressed Kernel image for boot(vmlinuz ... and initrd.img-), yet the initramfs is what's created after a compile ?? and that gives one their custom kernel which exists in /usr/src/ ?? |
| 18:50.07 | Yamaraj | JordiGH: I think he downloaded a Python book in PDF from someplace. |
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| 18:50.15 | enouf | lunitik: Yes :-p |
| 18:50.28 | JordiGH | itchi: Is it a tutorial? |
| 18:50.43 | JordiGH | itchi: Why not print out the book? That's what pdf is for, for printing. |
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| 18:50.53 | vulture | itchi: only a vague recolection, try apt-cache search pdf txt or something |
| 18:50.55 | lunitik | enouf: modconf is 2.4.x ... used to be a /etc/modconf dir that modconf threw things in... |
| 18:51.33 | Fernando | Hello, i'm trying to mount hda1 partition and i'm getting "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1", when i do dmesg, i get http://forumdebian.pastebin.ca/119212 |
| 18:51.34 | lunitik | Actually, I think its was /etc/modconf.d or something... |
| 18:51.39 | Fernando | could someone help me with this? |
| 18:51.57 | enouf | <-- shows his ignorance about certain things in GNU/Linux - My version here on Sid is [ ii modconf 0.3.0 Device Driver Configuration ] |
| 18:52.33 | JordiGH | Fernando: What kind of partition is in hda1? |
| 18:52.45 | JordiGH | Fernando: The Other? |
| 18:52.45 | Fernando | JordiGH: reiserfs |
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| 18:53.19 | enouf | lunitik: is there a #kernel channel ?? speaking of which how would I find out about all available channels ...doh is me! |
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| 18:53.28 | JordiGH | I can't remember if reiserfs is in Debian by default. |
| 18:53.29 | lunitik | enouf: maybe it still works for 2.6? no idea... I find it easier to just modprobe, and throw things in /etc/modules that aren't automagically detected... |
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| 18:54.18 | Yamaraj | Debian Etch supprts reiserfs, jfs and xfs too. |
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| 18:54.37 | JordiGH | Fernando: Oy. That pastebin shit don't look good. Can fsck check reiserfs? |
| 18:54.38 | lunitik | enouf: Konversation has a nice interface for it... try /list kernel for instance... other clients have that command I think, but just fart out channels |
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| 18:55.02 | Fernando | JordiGH: how can i do it? |
| 18:55.13 | Yamaraj | Just don't fsck live filesystems. |
| 18:55.27 | enouf | lunitik: really? I started using modconf yesterday after mentioned by someon and cydork, because I noticed my xorg.conf's settings (after a drxx) wasn't 'sticking' - now I can and have edited it by hand previously and am not afraid to do so -- but modconf shows ALL the available modules for almost ALL hardware - and my Video Card needed some adjustment |
| 18:55.34 | Fernando | JordiGH: by the way, i'm defining it as reiserfs on fstab /dev/hda1 /home/fernando/hd reiserfs defaults 0 2 |
| 18:55.44 | Fernando | Yamaraj: do you mean, mounted filesystems? |
| 18:55.56 | enouf | lunitik: Ok - thanks (about the channels) |
| 18:55.59 | Yamaraj | Fernando: Yep. |
| 18:56.06 | JordiGH | Fernando: Well, before we do anything rash, can you access hda1 with whatever OS you used to create the reiserfs? |
| 18:56.28 | lunitik | enouf: you can also just do /list ... but I don't recommend it |
| 18:56.29 | enouf | lunitik: I'm using Ksirc (dons flame retardant gear :-p) |
| 18:56.50 | enouf | lunitik: thanks |
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| 18:57.05 | Fernando | JordiGH: but i created it using Debian, which is the os i'm using right now |
| 18:57.14 | Yamaraj | Fernando: I suggest you replace 'reiserfs' with 'auto' in fstab, and reboot. |
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| 18:57.34 | JordiGH | No, don't reboot. |
| 18:57.42 | SpeedyG | it's not windows ;) |
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| 18:57.42 | enouf | lunitik: wow -- the list kernel command made the server spit out ":Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again" |
| 18:57.44 | JordiGH | Just remount. |
| 18:57.59 | Fernando | just a moment... |
| 18:58.08 | lunitik | blah |
| 18:58.17 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm nice |
| 18:58.19 | Priest-of-Psi | all installed |
| 18:58.28 | Priest-of-Psi | now to install xorg and xfce4 |
| 18:58.33 | Fernando | JordiGH: Yamaraj same error... |
| 18:58.38 | lunitik | enouf: should try konversation... ksirc hasn't seen development in years... |
| 18:58.47 | enouf | lunitik: aw crap - I hadn't even noticed lunitik_ was ewhat you were using -- apologies |
| 18:58.54 | Yamaraj | I cannot assume whether he's a newbie or not. Rebooting eases down some people. ;-) |
| 18:59.15 | enouf | lunitik_ :" ok will do |
| 18:59.23 | lunitik | enouf: meh... I guess I just got disconnected... ghost nick... blah... |
| 18:59.24 | enouf | lunitik: just kidding *0p |
| 18:59.27 | JordiGH | Fernando: Curious, why are you using reiserfs? Last thing I heard is that it doesn't outperform ext3 in benchmarks. |
| 18:59.32 | Yamaraj | Fernando: Your partition is fscked then. Take it offline and fsck. |
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| 18:59.50 | enouf | brb |
| 19:00.45 | itchi | he guys, i have found pdftohtml, pdftotxt and so ;-) Thanks for your help and support ;-) gona try a bit more right now |
| 19:01.08 | Fernando | JordiGH: Yamaraj: http://forumdebian.pastebin.ca/119224 |
| 19:01.14 | Fernando | doesn't seen to work |
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| 19:03.08 | JordiGH | Well, I guess it's completely corrupted. I hope you didn't have any data in there. |
| 19:03.50 | Fernando | JordiGH: well, there are some data in there :( |
| 19:03.56 | JordiGH | lunitik: That one made me laugh out loud too. |
| 19:04.31 | Blissex | lunitik: pretty good indeed; unfortunately many Linux apps are becoming like that. |
| 19:04.38 | Yamaraj | Fernando: What did you do with this partition? |
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| 19:04.59 | Fernando | Yamaraj: a shared partition with data between debian and slackware |
| 19:05.13 | JordiGH | itchi: Good thing. :-) |
| 19:05.14 | lunitik | hmm: http://www.roback.cc/photos/index.php?pageType=image&currDir=./Funny/Computers&image=cad.jpg |
| 19:05.17 | lunitik | about right |
| 19:05.21 | JordiGH | Fernando: Can slackware read it? |
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| 19:05.49 | Fernando | JordiGH: no :( |
| 19:05.52 | Priest-of-Psi | damn updates |
| 19:05.59 | Priest-of-Psi | is there a way to setup a local repo? |
| 19:06.00 | lunitik | even better: http://www.roback.cc/photos/index.php?pageType=image&currDir=./Funny/Computers&image=most-efficient-keyboard.w492.jpg |
| 19:06.18 | Fernando | JordiGH: what would happen if i try fsck with --rebuild-sb ? |
| 19:06.33 | Yamaraj | Fernando: Hazards of threesomes. Hope you learned your lesson. ;-) |
| 19:06.39 | JordiGH | Fernando: I don't know... it might try to wipe out everything. |
| 19:07.01 | JordiGH | Fernando: But usually fsck will say "DANGER, DANGER WILL ROBINSON" before it does anything that could delete your data. |
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| 19:07.20 | Fernando | JordiGH: so i should try it? |
| 19:07.31 | Yamaraj | Go for it. |
| 19:07.41 | JordiGH | Fernando: I can't think of another solution. |
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| 19:07.59 | Yamaraj | Better than a clean format anyway. |
| 19:08.08 | Fernando | how can i know this? Did you use resizer(y/n)[n]: |
| 19:08.48 | JordiGH | Fernando: whereis resizer |
| 19:08.55 | JordiGH | Fernando: If it doesn't exist, you probably didn't use it. :P |
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| 19:11.19 | Blissex | other amusements: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/C/caffeinemachine.jpg |
| 19:11.30 | Fernando | Should it run --rebuild-tree http://forumdebian.pastebin.ca/119241? |
| 19:11.33 | Fernando | ops |
| 19:11.40 | Fernando | http://forumdebian.pastebin.ca/119241 |
| 19:11.42 | Blissex | what some people think of IRC help: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/C/cantMakeitAnySimpler.gif |
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| 19:12.31 | lunitik | I want one: http://www.roback.cc/photos/index.php?pageType=image&currDir=./Funny/Computers&image=cubert2.jpg |
| 19:12.45 | lunitik | I'd never have to move... ever again... just needs a fridge! |
| 19:12.52 | Blissex | all too familiar :-): http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/C/gpf19990201-goHomeProgramToRelax.gif |
| 19:13.16 | JordiGH | Fernando: I think we're in the hands of fsck right now. :-/ |
| 19:13.56 | SpeedyG | fsck sucks :( |
| 19:14.02 | SpeedyG | takes way to long on a 300GB disk |
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| 19:14.32 | Priest-of-Psi | where does on set the zoneinfo? |
| 19:14.43 | JordiGH | Wow, Blissex. A hardware key. I haven't seen one of those in a box in ages. |
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| 19:15.34 | Fernando | JordiGH Yamaraj: seens that it will take some time now, thanks for the help |
| 19:15.38 | JordiGH | Blissex: While we're on these topics, do you listen to nerdcore geeksta rap? |
| 19:16.34 | JordiGH | http://www.mcplusplus.com/downloads/ |
| 19:16.35 | Blissex | JordiGH: no, unfortunately. But I have some precious recordings that might be similar: like the game developer's song and a video of a band singing the System Administrator's song. And of course the Stallman song :-) |
| 19:16.55 | JordiGH | "Get out of my way, dawg, I have to code" |
| 19:17.27 | Blissex | SpeedyG: wait for a bit for a link on 'fsck' speed. One Debian mirror guy had an 'fsck' that lasted two months and a half... |
| 19:17.49 | Priest-of-Psi | lunitik: |
| 19:17.53 | Priest-of-Psi | you here? |
| 19:18.02 | Blissex | JordiGH: looks good :-). If you want I can send you a link by /msg of the game dev and sysadm songs... |
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| 19:18.10 | SpeedyG | well, i'm on it for about 1.5 hours now.. and it's on 3M out of 73M blocks |
| 19:18.21 | enouf | lunitik: I'm back and using konversation - and I did a /list kernel and all that came back was 2 : "gentoo-kernel" , and (get this!) "ubuntu-kernel" - but atleast I can find the appropriate channels (if available on this server).. I could try the othe servers as well I suppose |
| 19:18.38 | enouf | other* |
| 19:18.58 | lunitik | enouf: you didn't let it go long enough then... here, I got a bunch of things, including '#kernel' and '#linux-kernel' |
| 19:19.02 | Blissex | enouf: 'uname -a' in console.... |
| 19:19.04 | lunitik | Priest-of-Psi: sure |
| 19:19.21 | Priest-of-Psi | lunitik: where do I set my timezone? |
| 19:19.29 | JordiGH | o/` "Your mom circulates like a public key / serving more requests than HTTP / She keeps all her ports open like Windows ME / Oh there's so much drama in the PhD" o/` |
| 19:19.29 | Priest-of-Psi | if you dont mind a noob question |
| 19:19.34 | lunitik | Blissex: he's searching for channels in an IRC client... nothing in particular |
| 19:19.35 | JordiGH | Blissex: Do send. |
| 19:19.46 | SpeedyG | isnt that in /etc/timezone ? |
| 19:19.58 | lunitik | Priest-of-Psi: tzconfig as root ... don't ask specific people questions though, ask EVERYONG |
| 19:20.02 | lunitik | uhh... EVERYONE* |
| 19:20.15 | enouf | lunitik: whoops - it wasn't donme searching -- I'm wrong! there is a "linux-kernel" channel |
| 19:20.27 | Priest-of-Psi | brb |
| 19:20.28 | Priest-of-Psi | thanks |
| 19:20.31 | enouf | done* |
| 19:20.39 | Blissex | enouf: there is an IRC channel search engine! |
| 19:21.00 | Blissex | enouf: http://irc.netsplit.de/ |
| 19:21.15 | lunitik | SpeedyG: you are correct btw... but you have to know what goes in there... |
| 19:21.19 | enouf | Blissex: uhh...oh Ok thanks ...(enouf shows more ignorance) |
| 19:21.27 | Yamaraj | Should I put 75dpi fontpaths before the 100dpi ones in xorg.conf, if I'm having problems with big fonts? Display is 15" LCD XGA, ThinkPad. |
| 19:21.29 | lunitik | SpeedyG: easier to point people at tzconfig |
| 19:21.40 | Blissex | enouf: very few people know about search engine apparently, don't worry |
| 19:22.14 | lunitik | Blissex: so you recommend using a website instead of /list? neat |
| 19:22.19 | enouf | Blissex: thank you kindly -- but I do know what you mean (apparently - hehehe) :-) |
| 19:22.35 | lunitik | Seems to make more sense |
| 19:22.44 | Blissex | lunitik: that actually covers also many networks, not just Freenode. And /list is slow. |
| 19:22.54 | Fernando | JordiGH: Yamaraj: all data recovered! :-) |
| 19:22.55 | SpeedyG | lunitik: true, but that wasnt his initial question ;) |
| 19:23.31 | JordiGH | Fernando: Woohoo! You had me sweating. :P |
| 19:23.44 | Yamaraj | Fernando: Cool! |
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| 19:23.59 | Priest-of-Psi | thanks guys |
| 19:24.08 | enouf | Blissex: slow...yes - that's why I thought there were only 2 available at first on freenode -- why on earth does /list need to show me (search) users? |
| 19:24.15 | Priest-of-Psi | is there something I miss then installing xorg |
| 19:24.24 | Priest-of-Psi | it installs all the graphic card drivers |
| 19:24.37 | Priest-of-Psi | I would prefer just installing the ones I require |
| 19:24.53 | enouf | Blissex: uhh...'calculate' I guess would be more accurate |
| 19:25.16 | lunitik | Priest-of-Psi: you can remove all the crap you don't need after its installed... unfortunately it doesn't let you just install what you want and be done with it :/ |
| 19:25.28 | Priest-of-Psi | ah ok |
| 19:25.34 | Priest-of-Psi | thanks lunitik again! |
| 19:25.35 | Priest-of-Psi | :P |
| 19:25.44 | Priest-of-Psi | hmm |
| 19:25.50 | Priest-of-Psi | I keep getting acpi errors |
| 19:26.11 | enouf | lunitik: yeah, I noticed ALL the VC card's drivers too and wondered about that too ...thanks |
| 19:26.28 | enouf | lunitik: uhh..in the Xorg installation |
| 19:26.29 | lunitik | the individual drivers "Provide"... this should be utilized :/ |
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| 19:26.44 | JordiGH | Why was the xorg package exploded into all those packages if the xorg metapackage depends on the little ones anyways? |
| 19:26.47 | Priest-of-Psi | lunitik: I am correct in doing apt-get install xorg |
| 19:26.57 | asg | Priest-of-Psi: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 19:27.39 | lunitik | JordiGH: thats just the way its been packaged... you don't have to install the most general meta-package... |
| 19:27.47 | lunitik | You don't have to utilize meta-packages at all |
| 19:28.05 | asg | JordiGH: if only one small package needs to be updated, you don't have to download the rest. |
| 19:28.28 | JordiGH | Hm, kay, I suppose it makes sense. |
| 19:28.37 | [6502] | hello; I just updated the kernel and everything works fine except cdrecord that goes "Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.8-3-686.. bla bla bla... i won't record your CD". Is there anything I can do except going back to 2.4.x kernel to be able to burn a CD ? |
| 19:29.11 | Priest-of-Psi | does the ati opensource driver give direct rendering when the compsite extention is enabled? |
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| 19:29.54 | JordiGH | [6502]: Remind me, xcdroast is just a front-end to cdrecord, right? |
| 19:30.06 | [6502] | jordiGH: yeah |
| 19:30.07 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: correct |
| 19:30.11 | MoDaX | JordiGH: due to finer dependences resolution. I mean, if a package depends on a single x lib, a bunch of other unneeded x libs won't be installed. |
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| 19:30.31 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm I need to get some more colour in these terminals |
| 19:31.05 | JordiGH | [6502]: Perhaps update to a newer 2.6 series kernel? I have 2.6.15 right now and cdrecord works. |
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| 19:32.02 | [6502] | jordiGH: this is a debian sarge with an upgraded kernel, I didn't see 2.6.15 in the list aptitude gave me... is it available as backport ? |
| 19:32.07 | asg | JordiGH: 2.4 kernels used an ide-scsi workaround that isn't supported with 2.6 kernel. Use cdrecord -dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 19:32.32 | asg | s/JordiGH/[6502] |
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| 19:32.53 | MoDaX | JordiGH: and what's more, X became modular upstream, i.e. a separate source for every lib/app etc... |
| 19:33.28 | enouf | 6502: the warning does not really mean anything -- I get it on 2.6.16-2-686, and b/c it's a modified version of cdrecord - mine works |
| 19:33.43 | enouf | 6502: I *think* |
| 19:33.45 | JordiGH | MoDaX: Oh, I see. Sometimes I wish the X package just stayed put, heh, each time I do a major dist-upgrade, X always gets broken. It happened from XFree86 to Xorg, and it happened again after this package explosion. |
| 19:34.00 | asg | JordiGH: then use sarge. |
| 19:34.18 | JordiGH | asg: sarge doesn't have the 2.9 branch of GNU Octave. :-/ |
| 19:34.25 | asg | JordiGH: then use backports |
| 19:34.31 | [6502] | enouf: i'll try calling cdrecord manually; actually i can see the device in xcdroast, but just doesn't work (it keeps telling me to insert a cd, and even the eject button does nothing) |
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| 19:34.56 | enouf | 6502: Ok - try asg's suggestion |
| 19:35.08 | JordiGH | asg: Nah, it's ok, really. I eventually manage to fix X again after each dist-upgrade and feel meritorious enough for a geek cookie. |
| 19:35.47 | JordiGH | asg: And it's not just Octave. There's a bunch of stuff from unstable and testing that I need, like Maxima, latest GSL, etc etc. |
| 19:35.49 | enouf | 6502: BTW - do you also have cdrdao installed? |
| 19:36.02 | gravity | JordiGH: Do you use the binary driver from nvidia or ati? |
| 19:36.10 | [6502] | enouf: hmmm... no, what's that ? |
| 19:36.30 | JordiGH | gravity: vrms reports that my only non-free packages are the ones related to nvidia drivers. :-/ |
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| 19:36.37 | gravity | Ah, so that's why it broke |
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| 19:36.40 | gravity | Ok, nmp |
| 19:37.54 | enouf | JordiGH: my version of cdrecord (dpkg -l cdrecord) and then apt-cache show cdrecord says "Conflicts: xcdroast (<< 0.98+0alpha14-5)" |
| 19:38.08 | streuner | are there any advantages for using xgl? |
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| 19:38.13 | [6502] | the cd started spinning :-) |
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| 19:38.19 | gravity | streuner: compiz |
| 19:38.21 | gravity | That's it |
| 19:38.34 | streuner | hm, whats' that? :-) |
| 19:38.38 | enouf | JordiGH: duh ... cdrecord version --> ii cdrecord 2.01+01a03-5 |
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| 19:38.51 | gravity | streuner: Have you seen any of the videos demoing Xgl? |
| 19:38.54 | JordiGH | enouf: Eh? Watcha talkin' bout? |
| 19:39.02 | enouf | 6502: hmmm.... |
| 19:39.15 | streuner | gravity: no, since today i didn't know what xgl is... |
| 19:39.16 | enouf | JordiGH: didn't you ask about xcdroast?? |
| 19:39.32 | gravity | streuner: Ah. Go check out a video. That'll answer your question. What they're demoing is compiz. |
| 19:39.37 | [6502] | enouf: the messaged from cdrecord was scary ... now SEEMS working |
| 19:39.52 | Shadowcat | any eta on Etch Beta 3? |
| 19:40.02 | JordiGH | enouf: Yeah, and two people already answered. It is indeed a frontend for cdrecord. :-) |
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| 19:40.18 | streuner | Shadowcat: sounds like a question for #debian-boot |
| 19:40.21 | [6502] | enouf: if it really works then it looks like more a problem in xcdroast |
| 19:40.45 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 19:41.08 | enouf | JordiGH: wonder why my version (of cdrecord in Sid) says conflicts ?? -- or perhaps only Conflicts with _earlier_ xcdroast versions |
| 19:41.40 | streuner | Shadowcat: you surely know that they move to OFTC |
| 19:41.40 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 19:41.53 | enouf | 6502: are you getting this ? -- or am I way off base here ? |
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| 19:42.13 | enouf | 6502: with "versioning" I mean |
| 19:42.14 | [6502] | enouf: I just typed "cdrecord -dev=ATA:1,1,0 cdimages/SimplyMEPIS_6.0_i386.iso" |
| 19:42.26 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 19:42.32 | Priest-of-Psi | so I installed xorg and xfce4 |
| 19:42.42 | JordiGH | Eh, this is strange. vrms reports a package that dpkg says is not installed. |
| 19:42.45 | enouf | 6502: ....and ? Errors? |
| 19:43.09 | [6502] | enouf: it started... still the same scary message but the disk started spinning |
| 19:43.27 | [6502] | enouf: 12x ... i'm still waiting |
| 19:43.33 | Priest-of-Psi | is there something else I require |
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| 19:43.40 | Priest-of-Psi | because atm xorg does not want to start |
| 19:44.09 | enouf | 6502: do you have "mkisofs" installed and "cdrdao" installed? |
| 19:44.23 | targie | When i run fsck.xfs nothing happens at all... fjip:~# fsck.xfs - How come? i installed xfsprogs |
| 19:44.39 | [6502] | enouf: i remember installing mkisofs some time ago |
| 19:45.00 | [6502] | enouf: i don't remember about cdrdao, but may be... where do I check ? |
| 19:45.01 | asg | Priest-of-Psi: what happens if you just type 'X'? |
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| 19:45.26 | enouf | Ok -- what about your xcdroast version ? do a 'apt-cache show cdrecord' to look at the suggests; depends; recommends: etc |
| 19:45.28 | [6502] | enouf: "Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 723138560/723138560 (353095 sectors)." |
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| 19:45.51 | enouf | 6502: now i'm confused badly :-( |
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| 19:45.54 | [6502] | enouf: (not sure if it works, tho... let be reboot the laptop) |
| 19:46.05 | JordiGH | asg: Is that the same as startx? |
| 19:46.20 | Priest-of-Psi | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 19:46.26 | asg | JordiGH: no, it just runs X (without a window manager or any setup.) |
| 19:46.27 | [6502] | enouf: xcdroast i have is 0.98 alpha 15 |
| 19:46.40 | enouf | 6502: Run the md5sum before actualy burning ...and k3b can also verify the burn (not sure about others) |
| 19:46.46 | Priest-of-Psi | asg: ^^^ |
| 19:46.49 | asg | JordiGH: you should see a crosshatched screen and X cursor (CTRL+ALT+BKSP to get out) |
| 19:47.04 | asg | Priest-of-Psi: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 19:47.07 | [6502] | enouf: cdrecord says Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01 |
| 19:47.19 | asg | Priest-of-Psi: and did you install xserver-xorg? |
| 19:47.27 | JordiGH | asg: Ah. So how do you run anything? |
| 19:47.44 | Priest-of-Psi | yes |
| 19:47.50 | Priest-of-Psi | I did installed xserver-xorg |
| 19:47.52 | [6502] | enouf: md5sum on the ISO ? and then compare it with the md5sum of what i get from the cd (with say "dd") ? |
| 19:47.54 | asg | JordiGH: there are ways but it's a simple test to see if X is working outside of any broken gnomishness, kdeishness, etc. |
| 19:49.02 | Priest-of-Psi | they where never installed |
| 19:49.04 | Priest-of-Psi | :) |
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| 19:49.22 | enouf | 6502: No ..the md5sum is for the d/l of the ISO (to ensure integrity) -- once burned I believe a separate one is used/created and compared, but I could be wrong -- I just know k3b has a "verify feature" which utilizes an md5sum to verify |
| 19:49.47 | JordiGH | Wow, either freedb didn't get my submission, or it takes ages to update its database. |
| 19:49.58 | enouf | 6502: my No should == maybe :-) |
| 19:50.39 | JordiGH | And if I may so bitch, it seems that trim-posting is dead. I for one, do not welcome our top-posting overlords. |
| 19:50.39 | parjoha | I can't seem to find which option to enable in kernel 2.6.17 to build the 'ide-core.ko' module, does anyone know which option it is? |
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| 19:51.26 | enouf | 6502: Your version of xcdroast should work... no conflicts ponly with |
| 19:51.38 | enouf | 6502: duh ..."<< 0.98+0alpha14-5" |
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| 19:51.50 | enouf | 6502: duh ...only with << 0.98+0alpha14-5" |
| 19:51.55 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 19:52.04 | BarryAllen | anyone know when etch ll be considered stable? |
| 19:52.16 | BarryAllen | some weeks? months? |
| 19:52.19 | JordiGH | BarryAllen: Release date is scheduled for this December. |
| 19:52.20 | comatose | october? |
| 19:52.26 | BarryAllen | nice |
| 19:52.45 | asg | parjoha: at a guess, I'd say CONFIG_IDE= |
| 19:52.51 | JordiGH | BarryAllen: Yeah, I'm quite impressed myself. If they really do make it, it'll be much better than the 3 or 4 years it took for sarge to be stable. :P |
| 19:53.36 | parjoha | asg: Will try! Thanks. |
| 19:53.59 | BarryAllen | JordiGH, :) im using etch a couple months in my servers ... and im very satisfect |
| 19:54.23 | BarryAllen | JordiGH, for me, it's stable... but i know im using a little part of the all things |
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| 19:55.03 | parjoha | asg: Is that a good thing? :) |
| 19:55.14 | [6502] | enouf: the boot didn't work, I got grub asking me what to do... probably I forgot some option on cdrecord |
| 19:55.21 | asg | parjoha: CONFIG_IDE or gibbering at people running etch on servers? |
| 19:55.27 | JordiGH | BarryAllen: Even unstable is relatively stable. Debian paranoia is well-known throughout the land. :P |
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| 19:55.56 | parjoha | asg: oh, sorry, I thought you were somehow referring to me |
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| 19:56.15 | asg | parjoha: no worries |
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| 19:57.42 | octan_ | where are the file that loads the modules for my nic's? i got 3 nics and i cant see the modules in /etc/module or modules.conf. i need to change the order they load.. B|cos eth2 as it is no i want to be eth0.. |
| 19:57.58 | asg | octan_: man nameif |
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| 19:58.57 | JordiGH | Each time I see a top-posted reply, I die a little... |
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| 19:59.12 | Blissex | JordiGH: welcome to the zombie world :-) |
| 19:59.59 | octan_ | hmm.. |
| 20:00.02 | JordiGH | Brraaains... |
| 20:01.04 | [6502] | ehouf: i got xcdroast sorta working by manually entering the device |
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| 20:01.25 | [6502] | ehouf: i'going to try to burn the iso image with it |
| 20:01.43 | parjoha | asg: setting CONFIG_IDE=m did indeed result in the ide-core module! Thanks again. |
| 20:01.51 | asg | parjoha: you're welcome |
| 20:01.59 | JordiGH | Argh, ok, why can't I open some websites? I'm finally going to try to fix this. I don't think it's a firewall, since I can see them from Windows. |
| 20:02.25 | wut | aside from kopete/gaim what are some good aim clients |
| 20:02.27 | Blissex | JordiGH: what about 'apt-get install tcptraceroute' and checking? |
| 20:02.35 | asg | JordiGH: telnet 'webstite' 80 ; HEAD / HTTP/1.0 |
| 20:02.43 | Blissex | JordiGH: or 'telnet www.whatever.org 80' and seeing if you can connect. |
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| 20:03.18 | JordiGH | Hm, traceroute times out on 10.10.10.254, a local thing. |
| 20:03.24 | alan` | how do i configure a sound card to work with alsa? |
| 20:03.34 | JordiGH | Can't connect with Telnet to debian.org either. |
| 20:03.34 | octan_ | asg, does it work like ? nameif eth2 $MAC-ADD-OF-ETH2 ? |
| 20:04.10 | asg | octan_: according to the manpage, yes. |
| 20:04.23 | bucky | octan_: you can put something in /etc/modutils/aliases like alias eth0 3c59x |
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| 20:04.55 | Blissex | JordiGH: note that I suggested 'tcptraceroute' which is more useful for this than 'traceroute' |
| 20:05.09 | octan_ | bucky, where as 3c59x is the module name? |
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| 20:05.17 | bucky | octan_: that's what i do.. for each interface, eth0 eth1 etc.. |
| 20:05.20 | bucky | yes |
| 20:05.38 | octan_ | nameif looks easyer :P |
| 20:05.39 | bucky | octan_: look at the file.. you'll get the idea |
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| 20:05.42 | JordiGH | Blissex: Yeah, sorry, that's what I used. Would its output be meaningful to you? |
| 20:06.41 | octan_ | asg, is nameif run automaticly at bootup? or do i need to make a init script that boots it before ifup loads? |
| 20:07.02 | asg | octan_: look at the /etc/mactab file (mentioned in the nameif manpage) |
| 20:07.38 | octan_ | i dont got that file |
| 20:07.40 | enouf | 6502: If you tried booting with a cd you burned the "SimplyMEPIS_6.0_i386.iso" to, I would expect/suspect that's for installing MEPIS, so GRUB appearing might be expewcted/normal ... I don't know what MEPIS boots up to normally |
| 20:07.42 | octan_ | however it says |
| 20:07.45 | Blissex | JordiGH: well in your case 'traceroute' is about as good as 'tcptraceroute'. Paste to /msg |
| 20:07.45 | octan_ | NOTES |
| 20:07.45 | octan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.50 | asg | octan_: fail, yes |
| 20:07.54 | octan_ | yes |
| 20:08.02 | JordiGH | Warning: Could not determine appropriate device; resorting to pcap_lookupdev() |
| 20:08.02 | JordiGH | Selected device eth0, address 10.10.100.104, port 48623 for outgoing packets |
| 20:08.02 | JordiGH | Tracing the path to debian.org (192.25.206.10) on TCP port 80 (www), 30 hops max |
| 20:08.02 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.06 | asg | octan_: make sure it's run before networking is started. |
| 20:08.13 | JordiGH | Ack, stupid carriage returns. :P |
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| 20:08.53 | asg | octan_: if your network cards are all different, then use bucky's solution. |
| 20:09.12 | octan_ | oh? |
| 20:09.19 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
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| 20:09.34 | Priest-of-Psi | does debian by default allow one to play mp3's? |
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| 20:09.37 | JordiGH | Blissex: The channel didn't get it? |
| 20:09.50 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: Yeah, aptitude install xmms. |
| 20:09.50 | asg | octan_: nameif is mostly useful if you have n+1 network cards by the same manufacturer but don't feel like changing their bus ordering by physically moving cards around. |
| 20:09.58 | Blissex | JordiGH: you pasted it to this channel, and you were kicked. Paste to /msg |
| 20:09.58 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: I use mpd |
| 20:10.23 | JordiGH | Blissex: So you didn't see it? Kay... |
| 20:10.34 | octan_ | asg, ic.. bucky, should i just put that at the end of the /etc/modutils/aliases ?? |
| 20:10.38 | Blissex | JordiGH: anyhow from the two lines pasted here before you were kicked I can see there is indeed some problem but not why. |
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| 20:11.03 | Blissex | JordiGH: try to do another 'tcptraceroute' to some some you can reach. |
| 20:11.43 | JordiGH | Blissex: Strangely enough, they all look the same, even the ones I can open in Firefox. |
| 20:12.22 | JordiGH | Blissex: Bunch of * * * and the last line is the final destination. |
| 20:12.41 | Blissex | JordiGH: paste to /msg |
| 20:12.51 | nima | hello |
| 20:13.17 | JordiGH | I can't paste to /msg, since BitchX reads my carriage returns as a different command. |
| 20:13.20 | Blissex | JordiGH: the "* * *" probably mean that the routers in between just refuse to reply even if they are working, which makes it harder to see what is going on. |
| 20:13.22 | JordiGH | I'll put in pastebin. |
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| 20:13.41 | lunitik | JordiGH: install irssi-text ... bitchx is crap |
| 20:14.02 | JordiGH | oh, wait, I have to make some ssh hops to be able to read pastebin. |
| 20:14.14 | tuv | BitchX.. what a name?!! |
| 20:14.14 | JordiGH | lunitik: Please, no arguments of type "Your software sucks, use mine instead" for the moment. |
| 20:14.59 | JordiGH | !info bitchx |
| 20:15.00 | lunitik | bitchx _is_ crap... irssi-text is similar, but not crap |
| 20:15.03 | dpkg | bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1514 kB, Installed size: 6400 kB |
| 20:15.49 | JordiGH | tuv didn't seem to know. |
| 20:16.08 | lunitik | JordiGH: ahh... didn't even notice him |
| 20:16.09 | lunitik | heh |
| 20:16.13 | JordiGH | http://pastebin.ca/119353 |
| 20:16.23 | tuv | i did, and i still get annoyed by the name on every encounter |
| 20:17.10 | JordiGH | I'm chatting from OpenBSD. I had to find something that would compile here. |
| 20:17.29 | [6502] | hmm... this one boots into grub too... looks like it's not a cd burning problem |
| 20:17.32 | lunitik | tuv: that's dumb, no word is bad... context can be bad. |
| 20:18.03 | JordiGH | I think I did install irsii, but for some reason I wouldn't get colours, and colourless IRC is that much harder to read. |
| 20:18.05 | tuv | lunitik, some words cannot be compensated for by context |
| 20:18.07 | lunitik | There is no context in a name of an app |
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| 20:18.30 | JordiGH | tuv: I have some friends who like to use cunt to refer to their own vagina. Context is everything. |
| 20:18.41 | lunitik | tuv: I have many female friends who take 'bitch' to mean "mans best friend - female variety"... |
| 20:18.55 | SpeedyG | is there a way to see whats on a partition without mounting it? |
| 20:19.10 | JordiGH | SpeedyG: Uh, no. But you can mount it read-only. |
| 20:19.14 | Blissex | JordiGH: there is something really wrong there. 'eth0' is on 10.10.100.0 but the router is on 10.10.10.0 and anyhow if you are using tunneling who knows what goes on in the middle. |
| 20:19.21 | SpeedyG | hm'kay |
| 20:19.49 | lunitik | tuv: bitch is a female dog... and dog is used similarly as a term of endearment... you can say "wassup bitch" and be ok... "fuck you bitch" is not okay... context is everything... |
| 20:20.26 | JordiGH | Blissex: Hm... 10.10.100.* is the address that dhclient gives me. Should I attempt to override it? |
| 20:20.34 | tuv | JordiGH, lunitik: these are special cases. the fact that you are reporting them says so. an app name is public and should respect people |
| 20:21.11 | JordiGH | tuv: Ah, never mind. |
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| 20:21.31 | lunitik | tuv: I'm using 'bitch' because its a specific example with which you seem to have an issue... |
| 20:21.38 | Blissex | JordiGH: it is working anyhow, but it is a bad idea. How does the router become addressable? perhaps there is another machine on the network that gateways between he two subnets. Or perhaps you have two NICs. |
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| 20:21.54 | lunitik | tuv: I haven't ventured into anything else... I'm showing you why you are wrong... |
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| 20:22.17 | lunitik | Besides, I get slapped when I refer to pussies as 'cunt'... so idk about that |
| 20:22.36 | tuv | lunitik, why i'm wrong in disliking the name? i don't think this is a matter of right and wrong |
| 20:22.39 | JordiGH | Blissex: I have no idea what you just said, but I know that our sysadmin separates us into separate places with differently-throttled bandwidth. Since I'm a lowly Master's student, I get the slowest connection at 10.10.100.* |
| 20:22.40 | Detox | how many cd's do i need to gt the base system plus a window manager isntalled? I have lousy DSL internet and want to get a basic system running before I begin grabbing from web......................... |
| 20:22.55 | JordiGH | Detox: One. |
| 20:23.12 | lunitik | tuv: language isn't bad... we've agreed on the language... disliking a sequence of letters is dumb |
| 20:23.19 | Detox | that has a wm like wm or fluxbox on it? |
| 20:23.29 | JordiGH | Detox: Has KDE and GNOME too... |
| 20:23.48 | Detox | ok so DL the first of 19 cd, and it should go fine then |
| 20:23.50 | JordiGH | Detox: But if you want lightweight, it's in the first cd as well. |
| 20:23.51 | Detox | thanks |
| 20:23.52 | lunitik | tuv: context can make "I love you" a derogatory statement... |
| 20:24.01 | Blissex | JordiGH: then perhaps he has arranged to have a route for the whole 10.10.0.0 or 10.0.0.0; and if they are doing throttling, perhaps your connection is being throttled to nothing at some times... |
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| 20:24.43 | JordiGH | Blissex: So it's something I should take it up with them? Argh, I do hope they know what GNU/Linux is. :-/ |
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| 20:25.01 | Blissex | JordiGH: nothing to do with Linux, just routing and throttling. |
| 20:25.09 | tuv | lunitik, the use of this sequence of letters is what makes me dislike it. you're right, the word on its own is holding a place in the language. but using it to name an application is what i dislike |
| 20:25.39 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.16 | lunitik | tuv: I've been having such disagreements with my step dad for 9 years... meh... old people are weird |
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| 20:27.03 | tuv | lunitik, you have to think of another reason than age.. i'm not that old :) |
| 20:27.16 | lunitik | tuv: how old are you? |
| 20:27.23 | tuv | 26 |
| 20:27.24 | JordiGH | tuv: In a slashdot interview, someone asked rms if there were things that bothered him but not too much. He said "yes, but I don't argue about those." Pick your battles. There are better things to argue about that an application's name. |
| 20:27.48 | JordiGH | s/that/than |
| 20:28.04 | lunitik | tuv: I'm 22... cultural perhaps? In rock culture, I don't recommend saying it... |
| 20:28.10 | tuv | JordiGH, i totally agree.. but i'm kinda feeling free now :p |
| 20:28.41 | JordiGH | lunitik: In hip-hop culture, "bitch" is acceptable while "ho" is offensive. Go figure. :P |
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| 20:29.22 | lunitik | JordiGH: "ho" is cheap ass... "bitch" is a (usually close) female friend |
| 20:29.30 | tuv | JordiGH, but this very quote implies that application names can be bothering, although not worth the argument |
| 20:29.30 | stoned | dudes |
| 20:29.47 | stoned | are you black? do you come from the hardcore thug gangsta ghetto lifestyle |
| 20:30.04 | stoned | who gave you the authority to judge when or where someone else's dialect is proper |
| 20:30.06 | JordiGH | Yes, Mr Don't-Mess-With-My-Sanskrit? |
| 20:30.19 | lunitik | stoned: I grew up in the ghetto... yes |
| 20:30.25 | stoned | lunitik, oh word man |
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| 20:30.41 | JordiGH | And I grew up in, uh... the rich Mexican Jewish ghetto. :P |
| 20:31.03 | JordiGH | Every Friday at sundset I'd set out with my homies to the synagogue to keep it real. |
| 20:31.19 | stoned | lunitik, I grew up in alot of places |
| 20:31.39 | tuv | lol.. this channel has become on everything but debian :P |
| 20:31.59 | lunitik | stoned: lived in counsel housing in England (british ghetto basically)... then moved to Arizona's ghetto... |
| 20:32.24 | lunitik | (one of arizona's ghetto's*) |
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| 20:32.32 | abrotman | you can just say arizona |
| 20:32.41 | stoned | what dude? those are not considered ghetto? Pardon me good sir, but .. bang bang |
| 20:32.48 | lunitik | Not exactly the worst places possible... but same culturally... |
| 20:33.06 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 20:33.07 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 20:33.10 | stoned | and arizona? pffft |
| 20:33.16 | blondie | "!tell #gentoo about greenhouse" |
| 20:33.17 | blondie | hmm |
| 20:33.22 | lunitik | abrotman: there are indian reservations that are far worse than I've ever lived... not all of Arizona is ghetto, not by a longshot... |
| 20:33.24 | bucky | yeah.. Sedona.. what a ghetto that is |
| 20:33.39 | abrotman | lunitik: the rest is inhabitable |
| 20:33.51 | JordiGH | blondie: Are you trolling #gentoo? Good job. :P |
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| 20:34.04 | pjota | hi there! |
| 20:34.17 | lunitik | abrotman: Snobsdale, and Paradise Valley are quite rich actually... |
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| 20:34.32 | abrotman | lunitik: you have no fucking sense of humor |
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| 20:34.35 | stoned | hey man, I got family there, and they are not snobs |
| 20:34.55 | pjota | I'm trying to use scp but it fails, no errors displayed and -1 is returned. Any idea? |
| 20:35.16 | abrotman | pjota: bad password? |
| 20:35.18 | lunitik | abrotman: I do... I just reply in a way that seems serious I guess |
| 20:35.28 | abrotman | lunitik: whatever |
| 20:35.33 | blondie | pjota: -v? |
| 20:35.50 | pjota | not, password is correct, an error message is displayen when you try a bad passw |
| 20:36.07 | pjota | blondie: I'm not using that parameter |
| 20:36.16 | hjubal | ciao |
| 20:36.17 | blondie | pjota: use it them |
| 20:36.20 | blondie | then |
| 20:36.38 | lunitik | abrotman: meh... hard to portray humor via text :( |
| 20:36.39 | fs215e | hello. I'd like to resize a NTFS partition before installing, is the etch installer able to do so? if not, which tool do I need? |
| 20:36.42 | pjota | blondie: triying.... |
| 20:36.51 | abrotman | lunitik: SDNWOTW |
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| 20:37.02 | blondie | !confuse abrotman |
| 20:37.02 | dpkg | Yes, who is our badger today, abrotman? trousers of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cream |
| 20:37.05 | tuv | fs215e, yes.. the installer can do it |
| 20:37.25 | JordiGH | tuv: Really? That's news to me. I've always used Knoppix. |
| 20:37.31 | lunitik | abrotman: so do not ____ on the web ? |
| 20:37.39 | abrotman | !sdnwotw |
| 20:37.41 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:37.47 | fs215e | tuv, resizing the file system, not only the partition? great. it needs to be defragmented I suppose? |
| 20:37.48 | tuv | JordiGH, this is no new feature |
| 20:37.54 | lordnazgul | ok interesting issue. in X it is only displaying 640x480 regardless of what xf86config-4 is saying. in the logfile it says not using default mode "1280x1024" (insufficient memory for mode). 1) i am assuming that means that there is not enough video memory to compute this. 2) is there any way to allocate ram to the video card 3)barring that will bringing down the color depth help out? |
| 20:38.01 | abrotman | !sdnwotn |
| 20:38.01 | dpkg | sdnwotn is, like, Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 20:38.07 | JordiGH | fs215e: By the way, although it's not necessary to do so, I always feel a bit safer to defrag the NTFS drive beforehand. |
| 20:38.37 | abrotman | lordnazgul: check the md5 |
| 20:38.38 | lunitik | abrotman: yes! |
| 20:38.44 | abrotman | !tell lordnazgul about xmd5 |
| 20:39.33 | fs215e | jordi, no need to, no important data on it. it's just that my notebook doesn't come with a windows installation cd but a recovery disk which overwrites the whole hard disk. |
| 20:39.38 | fs215e | thanks |
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| 20:39.58 | pjota | blondie: debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.0 |
| 20:39.58 | pjota | debug1: Exit status 0 |
| 20:39.58 | pjota | . The last 2 lines |
| 20:40.02 | cds | How do I install perl modules using apt? |
| 20:40.04 | pjota | sorry |
| 20:40.11 | [6502] | whoops... the cd was burned ok... looks like the bios of the laptop is not |
| 20:40.15 | lunitik | abrotman: note "Snobsdale" isn't the cities actual name though ;) |
| 20:40.16 | JordiGH | Apropos of nothing and extremely offtopic, does anyone speak Arabic here? It just occurred to me that "There is no god but Allah" makes no sense, since "allah" is the word for "god". How do you say it in Arabic? There is no god but god? |
| 20:40.16 | [6502] | thanx for your time guys |
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| 20:40.26 | streuner | cds: apt-get install <package>? |
| 20:40.31 | abrotman | lunitik: no shit sherlock |
| 20:41.02 | cds | streuner: Can't seem to be able to find the package name :/ |
| 20:41.14 | lordnazgul | abrotman not the problem. I am working with a hand crafted one, not trying to reconfigure |
| 20:41.16 | cds | streuner: I'm after Module::Build |
| 20:41.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:41.39 | comatose | cds: so simply use CPAN or CPANPLUS |
| 20:41.43 | streuner | cds: if you cannot find it in debian..., cpan |
| 20:41.49 | cds | How do I install that? |
| 20:41.51 | blx | JordiGH, aint Allah the _name_ of the islamic god? |
| 20:42.03 | streuner | cds: well, you have a deb out of it then |
| 20:42.07 | blx | JohnDoh, like JHVH for christian. |
| 20:42.22 | cds | streuner: ? |
| 20:42.31 | lunitik | abrotman: take it you've been to Arizona? I live near Metrocenter, and spend a lot of time around there... |
| 20:42.31 | comatose | cds: perl -MCPAN -eshell |
| 20:42.38 | biz | i'm unable to find the values i should put into my xorg.conf for VertRefresh and HorizSync using this TV (specs: http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/32pw8759_12/32pw8759_12_pss_eng.pdf) any ideas? |
| 20:42.38 | JordiGH | blx: Nope, Vishnu is an allah as well. |
| 20:42.43 | streuner | dh-make-perl |
| 20:42.48 | streuner | !info dh-make-perl |
| 20:42.50 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.21 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 20:43.00 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. oyu missed the joke :) |
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| 20:43.05 | tuv | JordiGH, this is an arabic structure well known in arabic language grammer |
| 20:43.08 | lunitik | abrotman: also, various parts along Broadway, which aren't pretty |
| 20:43.08 | enouf | JordiGH: in response the [16:35:58] quote, before defraggling windoze, must run 'chkdsk' run with /f is good , and /r is better still |
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| 20:43.19 | pjota | blondie: http://rafb.net/paste/results/hkGaHT39.html. Can you have a look? |
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| 20:43.31 | tuv | JordiGH, maybe it should be translated differently |
| 20:43.32 | lunitik | abrotman: shouldn't speak about things you haven't witnessed... or something |
| 20:43.44 | lunitik | abrotman: although shouldn't assume things either I guess |
| 20:43.48 | JordiGH | tuv: I hardly know anything about Arabic grammar. How is it in the original? |
| 20:43.49 | _vaggie | Are there any way i can remove some of the banner informations SSH is printing out on NMAP 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 (protocol 2.0) |
| 20:44.20 | abrotman | lunitik: like i said .. you missed the joke .. jus stick a lump of coal up your ass .. you'll be just fine in a bit |
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| 20:44.40 | enouf | 6502: so what eventually happened?? |
| 20:44.45 | lunitik | abrotman: I assure you I didn't :( |
| 20:44.46 | bucky | lunitik: i spent a lot of time a Fry's on Thunderbird |
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| 20:44.56 | tuv | JordiGH, translating it literally (word by word) would yield the sentence you quoted, except that "god" is a generic word for any type of god, and "Allah" is a name for the god muslims believe in |
| 20:45.03 | lunitik | bucky: there and the Tempe branch... are very addicting... |
| 20:45.11 | bucky | hahaha |
| 20:45.13 | abrotman | _vaggie: man sshd_config |
| 20:45.29 | JordiGH | tuv: Right, so "there is no god but God". Arabic is case-sensitive. :P |
| 20:45.43 | lunitik | bucky: I like like 5 mins from there too :o |
| 20:45.49 | lunitik | I live* |
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| 20:46.02 | lunitik | (the thunderbird branch) |
| 20:46.02 | tuv | JordiGH, if you get the meaning, yes |
| 20:46.03 | abrotman | _vaggie: if it's not in there .. i'm not sure there's another way |
| 20:46.18 | abrotman | other than compiling it by hand |
| 20:46.42 | tuv | JordiGH, it's simply stating that Allah is the only god |
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| 20:46.59 | streuner | !politics |
| 20:47.00 | dpkg | well, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 20:47.33 | JordiGH | !religion |
| 20:47.33 | dpkg | from memory, religion is the opiate of the masses |
| 20:47.33 | JordiGH | !sesx |
| 20:47.35 | JordiGH | !sex |
| 20:47.36 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:48.08 | JordiGH | Bwheheheheh... should be updated to use aptitude, though. |
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| 20:48.49 | tuv | aptitude is slow |
| 20:48.56 | abrotman | you're fast |
| 20:49.16 | JordiGH | HAHAHAHA!!! |
| 20:49.16 | tuv | no.. my machine is not that sophisticated |
| 20:49.19 | JordiGH | pwned!!! |
| 20:50.05 | lunitik | uhh... stares too |
| 20:50.06 | tuv | for my laptop, aptitude is ok, but for my nslu2, it's terribly slow |
| 20:50.13 | JordiGH | Sex, fast, oh, never mind. |
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| 20:51.14 | kRocKodile | anyone with KDE to check if the 'view-mode' toolbar button in konqueror exists or missing? |
| 20:52.05 | lunitik | kRocKodile: umm, its there for the filesystem profile :/ |
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| 20:54.07 | enouf | lunitik: why not? you saw "photobucket" yesterday ... rofl |
| 20:54.11 | lunitik | kRocKodile: if its gone there... add "ActionList:viewmode_toolbar back to Main Toolbar |
| 20:55.13 | tuv | logrotate is causing anacron to hang on daily jobs for a while on my system. logrotate gets <defunct> until i kill run-parts. anyone with a similar problem or solution? |
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| 20:55.14 | lunitik | enouf: baffling to me, #debian is changing |
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| 20:55.15 | abrotman | lunitik: ever since you came back .. channel IQ is heading steadily downward |
| 20:55.34 | lunitik | abrotman: I refuse to take responsibility for that! |
| 20:55.37 | stoned | I am somehow inclined to agree |
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| 20:55.53 | Jenkens | abrotman: ouch! |
| 20:55.57 | Jenkens | haha |
| 20:56.01 | lunitik | stoned: get back to your bong |
| 20:56.04 | stoned | with abrotman |
| 20:56.05 | enouf | kRocKodile: View >> View mode is there on kde 3.5.3 |
| 20:56.37 | kRocKodile | this button is missing from kubuntu :( |
| 20:56.48 | lunitik | kRocKodile: #kubuntu |
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| 20:56.52 | enouf | lunitik: so is all of usenet and ngs ... :-( |
| 20:57.22 | enouf | !spank abrotman |
| 20:57.39 | lunitik | kRocKodile: Riddell likes to play with things... can't expect even #kde to memorize all of his "tweaks" :/ |
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| 20:58.55 | enouf | recommends installing debian ;-) |
| 20:59.07 | lunitik | enouf: that too :P |
| 20:59.16 | kRocKodile | lunitik: i mv konqueror-orig.rc konq-kubuntu.rc.kubuntu but still the button missing |
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| 20:59.34 | lunitik | kRocKodile: install Debian and come back :/ |
| 20:59.39 | kRocKodile | yes... |
| 20:59.41 | lunitik | kRocKodile: else #kubuntu |
| 20:59.42 | stoned | lunitik, please do not encourage non-debian support |
| 20:59.52 | enouf | wonders if there's even a #kubuntu |
| 20:59.56 | lunitik | stoned: please do not act sober :P |
| 21:00.02 | kRocKodile | sorry :p |
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| 21:00.38 | tc_ | quit |
| 21:00.40 | tc_ | bye |
| 21:01.33 | lunitik | enouf: /j #kubuntu ... I don't recommend staying long though... bad for intelligence |
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| 21:01.45 | gravity | lunitik: Please don't bash other channels |
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| 21:01.46 | stoned | oh good lord |
| 21:02.12 | SpeedyG | yay, nearly 9M blocks scanned out of the 73M |
| 21:03.06 | stoned | lol |
| 21:03.58 | stoned | lunitik, this not a channel for chit chat, it is for Debian support |
| 21:04.18 | cahoot | stoned: hah |
| 21:04.27 | gravity | lunitik: It's possible to be funny without bashing others |
| 21:04.56 | streuner | o_O discussing with ops is really helpful ... :-) |
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| 21:05.06 | streuner | s/is/isn't/ |
| 21:05.26 | stoned | streuner, brain fart |
| 21:05.27 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:05.41 | stoned | but it made sense nonetheless, and somehow was funny |
| 21:05.51 | enouf | onTopic: Anyone care to address my earlier questions concerniong hoew modconf works (or not) differently (or not) on precompiled kernel images vs, home-grown ones ?? |
| 21:06.17 | abrotman | afaik .. it doesn't |
| 21:06.17 | stoned | mmm... homegrown. |
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| 21:06.52 | stoned | hey thing dude man whats up |
| 21:07.06 | thingfish | hey stoned, not much, just got home from work. |
| 21:07.07 | enouf | stoned: I knew that'd get your attention |
| 21:07.30 | abrotman | stoned: this channel is not for chit chat, it is for debian support |
| 21:07.37 | stoned | hey man |
| 21:07.44 | stoned | don't do what I do, do what I say |
| 21:07.48 | abrotman | lunitik: ask #freenode |
| 21:07.50 | enouf | stoned: how's about how it pertains to hydroponic kernel images :-p |
| 21:08.03 | enouf | hydra* |
| 21:08.11 | lunitik | abrotman: meh, by the time I get voiced, I won't care anymore :( |
| 21:08.19 | lunitik | abrotman: or I'll just forget, either or |
| 21:08.20 | stoned | strout |
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| 21:09.20 | abrotman | then that's your problem |
| 21:09.22 | stoned | hey thingfish man I substituted my friends urine for mine and passed my test, I start work at dell on 14th |
| 21:09.31 | thingfish | stoned: hehe sweet! |
| 21:09.36 | thingfish | damn, it's 106 here. |
| 21:09.44 | thingfish | no wonder I was sweating. |
| 21:10.06 | lunitik | thingfish: that'd do it... god invented AC's for a reason ;) |
| 21:10.28 | thingfish | lunitik: I am parked right in front of one, right now. ;) |
| 21:11.05 | lunitik | thingfish: god forgot to invent a reasonable way to get rid of windscreens :( |
| 21:11.15 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:11.41 | streuner | lunitik: you got the attention twice, first someone mentioned it and you stated the same bs second time, so you its no wonder |
| 21:11.59 | stoned | ooh |
| 21:12.04 | streuner | and that's not funny then |
| 21:12.06 | lunitik | streuner: come again? |
| 21:12.29 | stoned | !got milk |
| 21:12.29 | dpkg | methinks got milk is Fuck milk, got Debian?! |
| 21:12.35 | stoned | I do, I do. |
| 21:12.42 | thingfish | what's going on, is everyone in a bad mood or something? |
| 21:12.54 | streuner | no, that was fun :-) |
| 21:13.01 | abrotman | thingfish: double standards |
| 21:13.13 | stoned | petemc, if it turns out to be your fault, I'm coming to kick your butt |
| 21:13.17 | thingfish | oohh |
| 21:13.18 | stoned | ehehe |
| 21:13.21 | abrotman | stoned: he's not in this country |
| 21:13.21 | streuner | thingfish: he want *discuss* things again and again ... ;-) |
| 21:13.22 | petemc | :) |
| 21:13.37 | lunitik | streuner: does not compute: so you its no wonder |
| 21:13.43 | lunitik | streuner: I was with you till there |
| 21:13.50 | stoned | I'll get a job, save up money, buy a plane ticket, and then kick his butt |
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| 21:13.54 | abrotman | Ronin: maybe make sure the mouse is plugged in ? |
| 21:14.08 | Ronin | heh |
| 21:14.18 | stoned | thats why I declined tech support, I went to sales |
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| 21:15.12 | lunitik | stoned: decent commission? |
| 21:15.14 | abrotman | not much of a saleman are you |
| 21:15.29 | lunitik | abrotman: *shrug* you try selling newspapers |
| 21:15.33 | stoned | abrotman, you know my work history |
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| 21:15.56 | DocOC | stoned: could you get me a deal on a dimension 1000n? $275 is just way out of my price-range. |
| 21:15.58 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. i have a job |
| 21:16.27 | ktwilight | how do i set G_FILENAME_ENCODING? |
| 21:16.38 | ktwilight | actually, how do i find out what G_FILENAME_ENCODING is set to? |
| 21:16.57 | DocOC | ktwilight: echo $G_FILENAME_ENCODING |
| 21:17.03 | lunitik | abrotman: *initial pitch* "I don't need that sorry" "<something about coupons>" "I don't like those" "you don't like saving money sir" "nope" :/ |
| 21:17.42 | ktwilight | DocOc, for me to permanently set G_FILENAME_ENCODING, what should i do? |
| 21:17.49 | stoned | export |
| 21:17.50 | ktwilight | it's empty at the moment |
| 21:17.59 | ktwilight | expert G_FILENAME_ENCODING=UTF-8? |
| 21:18.04 | ktwilight | s/expert/export |
| 21:18.28 | trygg | Ehm, if i remove something via gnome, where does it go because i dont get my space! :c |
| 21:18.43 | DocOC | ktwilight: permanently? that would depend on what shell you are using. most likely setting it in your .profile should work for most shells. |
| 21:18.48 | stoned | trygg, I dunno but try ~/.Trash first |
| 21:19.03 | trygg | Oh, it was with a big T. ;D |
| 21:19.03 | trygg | Thanks. |
| 21:19.06 | ktwilight | i see what you mean, thanks :) |
| 21:19.36 | stoned | ktwilight, or you can export it in .bashrc after you source it |
| 21:19.43 | stoned | well thats a longer process |
| 21:19.49 | ktwilight | what do you mean by source it? |
| 21:19.51 | stoned | by 1 or 2 steps |
| 21:20.00 | lunitik | ktwilight: source .bashrc |
| 21:20.02 | ktwilight | i'm exporting it in .bashrc |
| 21:20.08 | ktwilight | find .bashrc you mena? |
| 21:20.09 | lunitik | ktwilight: it reloads bashrc |
| 21:20.11 | ktwilight | s/mena/mean |
| 21:20.26 | stoned | !bashrc |
| 21:20.26 | dpkg | well, ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 21:20.45 | DocOC | yeah, I guess I am the only lunatic using a shell other than bash. |
| 21:20.58 | ktwilight | ah, thanks stoned :) |
| 21:21.03 | stoned | sure |
| 21:22.31 | beardy | dpkg: bashrc =~ s/bash_profile/bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's .bashrc has by default./ |
| 21:22.31 | dpkg | OK, beardy |
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| 21:24.00 | beardy | dpkg: bashrc =~ s/.bashrc has by/.bash_profile has by/ |
| 21:24.01 | dpkg | OK, beardy |
| 21:24.38 | lunitik | DocOC: pretty much :P |
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| 21:25.10 | DocOC | !zsh |
| 21:25.10 | dpkg | zsh is probably at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
| 21:25.51 | DocOC | dpkg seems to have the same opinion on shells that I have :P |
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| 21:26.11 | lunitik | DocOC: I tried zsh... didn't really feel right... although I didn't really take advantage of it... |
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| 21:26.33 | lunitik | DocOC: the zsh factoid was obviously written by someone that uses zsh... |
| 21:26.41 | DocOC | lunitik: if you tend to shell script on the command-line beyond just one-liners, it's a life-saver. |
| 21:26.44 | gravity | When I don't have my zsh tab completion I get cranky |
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| 21:26.47 | streuner | !factinfo zsh |
| 21:26.47 | wamty | I'm running debian in vmware and have setup an apace2-server but if I try to access my webserver with the WAN ip it fails if I try the local ip it works |
| 21:26.47 | dpkg | zsh -- last modified at Tue Jan 18 18:16:08 2005 by caphuso!foobar@pD9E567B7.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 18 times, last by DocOC, 1m 37s ago. |
| 21:26.50 | wamty | what can be wrong? |
| 21:26.53 | streuner | haha |
| 21:27.15 | streuner | lunitik: be glad that he isn't here :-) |
| 21:27.21 | lunitik | DocOC: no wonder it shares your opinion... psh |
| 21:27.22 | wamty | anyone? |
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| 21:27.37 | Lethics | yo |
| 21:27.37 | abrotman | wamty: your routing sucks ? |
| 21:27.47 | lunitik | streuner: haha... caphuso is mean to me :( |
| 21:27.52 | DocOC | gravity: yeah, the completion engine can be wonderful, especially since you can get it complete package-names and other useful things. |
| 21:27.55 | printk | wamty: are you using a router? |
| 21:27.57 | abrotman | wonder why |
| 21:28.09 | rudolph_ | hi |
| 21:28.15 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:28.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:28.17 | lunitik | abrotman: you made me bring up KDE... all your fault! |
| 21:28.30 | abrotman | eh .. no .. |
| 21:28.40 | lunitik | Actually, probably due to back in the day... but yeah... |
| 21:29.05 | kasper | anyone know a good gui for transfering mp3's to a usb mass storage mp3 player other than gtkpod? |
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| 21:29.13 | beardy | DocOC: So can bash. |
| 21:29.17 | Lethics | I have a problem on the boot with the new kernel :( "Alert! ... hde2 can't be found...root file system.. busybox" but none with the others kernel someone can help? |
| 21:29.50 | abrotman | not a bad subject .. just bad |
| 21:30.07 | lunitik | abrotman: which is why its a bad subject ;) |
| 21:30.19 | ktwilight | it's nice when everything is utf8 :D |
| 21:30.26 | DocOC | beardy: yeah, I know bash has many of the same features as far as completion, however command-line editing in zsh is surpassed by nothing. |
| 21:32.09 | gravity | Wow... that means nothing |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | yeah .. he does a lot of useless babbling |
| 21:32.31 | rudolph_ | ive destroyed my wlan interface; when i start wpa_supplicant i get operation not supported and i cant handle with the card with ifconfig(start and stop the interface) |
| 21:32.31 | rudolph_ | but, without encryption i get a connection |
| 21:32.32 | rudolph_ | can anybody help me? |
| 21:33.10 | Lethics | I should ask tomorrow ... |
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| 21:33.17 | Lethics | good night everybody |
| 21:33.18 | lunitik | gravity: other than, for many people, kde attracted them to desktop linux... nothing at all |
| 21:33.32 | abrotman | it did? |
| 21:33.41 | abrotman | sounds like FUD to me ... |
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| 21:34.08 | lunitik | abrotman: yup, although Miguel's distaste for KDE apparently helped start Gnome... |
| 21:34.28 | printk | me too |
| 21:34.52 | thingfish | I think enlightenment was the first de I ever saw screenshots of. |
| 21:34.56 | abrotman | lunitik: well .. you're wrong more times than i can count .. but you can keep being wrong and spreading misinformation |
| 21:35.23 | gravity | lunitik: That means nothing, and it's not true |
| 21:35.25 | printk | abrotman: did you use to hang out on EFNet years ago? |
| 21:35.28 | abrotman | no |
| 21:35.33 | printk | k diff abortman |
| 21:35.34 | lunitik | gravity: what isn't true? |
| 21:35.36 | X-Hacker` | ? |
| 21:35.38 | abrotman | i'm not sure i've ever been to efnet |
| 21:35.46 | abrotman | lunitik: what you just said is completely false |
| 21:36.01 | gravity | lunitik: That kde attracted people to desktop linux. Maybe some people, but not any more than gnome. |
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| 21:36.32 | abrotman | no . i meant that his statement about miguel was wrong |
| 21:36.48 | gravity | Anyway, KDE vs Gnome trolling is absurdly stupid. |
| 21:37.00 | p0t | what did kings use for transportation? |
| 21:37.03 | lunitik | abrotman: that he was a KDE developer first? |
| 21:37.05 | printk | yah both are bloat |
| 21:37.13 | lunitik | gravity: I'm not trolling KDE vs Gnome :/ |
| 21:37.32 | abrotman | lunitik: no |
| 21:37.52 | streuner | be nice to gravity |
| 21:37.53 | lunitik | abrotman: fact... note I said "apparently" to the other statement... |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | misinformation |
| 21:38.21 | abrotman | get your facts straight |
| 21:38.57 | gravity | Right. I thought miguel started making bonobo because he thought COM and the like were cool. That led to things like the panel. |
| 21:39.05 | gravity | Not because he hated KDE |
| 21:39.05 | printk | misinformation seems popular, i've heard folks even claim Linux was based off of minix heh |
| 21:39.12 | abrotman | the license for Qt sucked then .. and is still shit ... |
| 21:39.13 | lunitik | abrotman: if someone takes "apparently" as meaning known fact, idk, they should probably attend some more English classes |
| 21:39.27 | abrotman | says the guy who says "idk" |
| 21:39.42 | abrotman | lunitik: if you don't know .. don't say .. you do that a lot |
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| 21:41.19 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't know what they should do to gain a better grasp of English... meh |
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| 21:41.46 | amphi | printk: "the little think tank that couldn't", eh? ;) |
| 21:41.48 | lunitik | abrotman: classes aren't an option for everyone... they cost after a certain age etc |
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| 21:41.56 | abrotman | lunitik: look .. FUCKING DROP IT .. if you don't .. i'm going to start being mwilson-mean to you |
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| 21:42.27 | gravity | Ok, calm down both of you |
| 21:42.32 | printk | amphi: heh |
| 21:43.03 | gravity | lunitik: That's fine. Feel free to keep being confused and talk about something else. |
| 21:43.22 | lunitik | gravity: will do |
| 21:43.31 | gravity | Thaks |
| 21:43.34 | gravity | Thanks even |
| 21:43.37 | gravity | (damn new keyboard) |
| 21:43.50 | abrotman | i blame your english skills |
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| 21:44.12 | gravity | abrotman: Stop it |
| 21:44.22 | gravity | or was that for me? |
| 21:44.33 | streuner | haha |
| 21:44.37 | abrotman | that was my very bad attempt at humor |
| 21:44.38 | gravity | If it's for me, that's cool. Feel free to insult me :-) |
| 21:44.41 | gravity | Heh, ok :-) |
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| 21:45.29 | iceowl | hellos |
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| 21:45.44 | streuner | fuck, half an hour and no question, pretty boring |
| 21:45.49 | trygg | I dont get it, how shall the horizsync and vertrefresh be for me to be able to have 85hz @ 1280x1024? |
| 21:45.50 | iceowl | is anyone around that could help me with a mouse problem? |
| 21:45.53 | trygg | I only get 75 |
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| 21:46.07 | abrotman | streuner: no .. they were there |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | iceowl: just ask |
| 21:46.17 | amphi | streuner: your prayers are answered ;) not quite a mousewheel, but... |
| 21:46.32 | abrotman | lunitik: really ... please stop |
| 21:46.35 | streuner | amphi: hehe ;-) |
| 21:46.52 | iceowl | I fucked up configuring X, so now I have no mouse there. kinda hard to use without it :P |
| 21:47.09 | njkt | iceowl, you could try reconfiguring X |
| 21:47.12 | iceowl | I need to know how to configure it the way debian likes it |
| 21:47.16 | amphi | !drxx iceowl |
| 21:47.16 | dpkg | iceowl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:47.23 | iceowl | cause I'm used to slackware :P |
| 21:47.34 | iceowl | thanx |
| 21:47.36 | streuner | o_O a troll :-) |
| 21:47.43 | amphi | heh |
| 21:48.20 | waiting | iceowl: u run slack 10.2? |
| 21:48.20 | trygg | Noone can help a lazy bastard like myself? |
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| 21:48.56 | lunitik | trygg: helping lazy people is a waste of our time, so its unlikely... |
| 21:49.02 | iceowl | waiting: nope |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:49.10 | waiting | iceowl: :P |
| 21:49.19 | iceowl | I think my other system has 10.1 or something.. I installed it a long time ago |
| 21:49.19 | trygg | Heh, i understand. :D |
| 21:49.24 | waiting | iceowl: k |
| 21:49.36 | abrotman | trygg: that very much depends on your montior |
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| 21:50.02 | trygg | Cant it test itself for the highest possible? |
| 21:50.12 | trygg | I know i can get 85 at that resolution. |
| 21:50.21 | enouf | trygg: I don;t think many consumer grade TFTs do anywhere near 85Hz AFAIK, mosy do 60Hz as "Native |
| 21:50.32 | trygg | I have an CRT. :) |
| 21:50.53 | streuner | trygg: just edit the config file |
| 21:50.55 | enouf | trygg: doh :p ...well which one |
| 21:51.09 | trygg | streuner: i have, but i dont know what to type to get 85hz. :D |
| 21:51.21 | enouf | trygg: Wait! 1280x1024 ?? no wonder I thought LCD |
| 21:51.38 | enouf | Why are you using a 5:4 rather than 4:3 |
| 21:51.41 | trygg | Yeah i know that its a pretty goofy resolution but i love it. |
| 21:51.59 | enouf | Check you docs? |
| 21:52.12 | enouf | your* |
| 21:52.12 | trygg | For the monitor? |
| 21:52.18 | waiting | trygg: indeed .) |
| 21:52.21 | enouf | trygg: yes |
| 21:52.22 | streuner | trygg: try to change the last value to 85 |
| 21:52.24 | trygg | Im afraid i dont have those left. :p |
| 21:52.34 | waiting | trygg: they are maybe on the internet :p |
| 21:52.40 | trygg | Heh, might be. |
| 21:52.41 | trygg | :) |
| 21:52.46 | enouf | trygg: PDF on the web you lazy schitte :-p |
| 21:53.04 | trygg | Yeah, i kinda warned you that im lazy and i know thats wrong when one is trying to get help. :D |
| 21:53.23 | twotwenty | ok, how come i can't login to my box, ssh is running, typed right username/password, any idea? |
| 21:53.33 | waiting | twotwenty: try ssh -v |
| 21:53.41 | waiting | twotwenty: it explains what it does |
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| 21:54.02 | njkt | twotwenty, do you have a firewall or router? |
| 21:54.14 | twotwenty | yes, and they're fixed. |
| 21:54.34 | njkt | if there any error message? |
| 21:54.42 | twotwenty | prolly that user i created doesn't have ssh access, you think so? |
| 21:55.02 | njkt | depends on what you have in your sshd_config |
| 21:55.07 | lunitik | trygg: its wrong because it means you're unlikely to retain things... so showing you're willing to learn rather than have someone basically do it for you is good ;) |
| 21:55.39 | enouf | Anyone know if the dpkg bot is stoned or something |
| 21:55.50 | trygg | I know, thats where i fall short but i know i wont get it fixed if i dont. :D |
| 21:55.54 | enouf | type in /msg dpkg homework |
| 21:56.08 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 21:56.09 | dpkg | i guess dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 21:56.42 | twotwenty | njkt: where can i find that again |
| 21:56.46 | gizmatix | good |
| 21:56.53 | njkt | twotwenty, /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 21:57.06 | twotwenty | oh nvm |
| 21:57.14 | enouf | stoned : I get this as a response "Given at strip joint, and the time for strip joint is during a recession." you been giving the bot bong hits again ?? |
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| 21:58.03 | trygg | Im still getting mad at 'git'. |
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| 21:58.27 | trygg | /usr/bin/gitfm: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied. - happens when i try to get something, and one doesnt need a user on the server because another dude did it. |
| 21:58.29 | twotwenty | njkt: problem solved |
| 21:58.31 | twotwenty | :) |
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| 21:58.38 | njkt | cool. |
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| 21:59.48 | ktwilight | are there any other attribute/options/whatever like G_FILENAME_ENCODING that i can set for utf-8? 'cuz gvim display it fine, but mousepad (xfce's editor) doesn't display unicode properly. am trying to dig in what could be wrong |
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| 22:02.18 | trygg | Okay, lets try this. Ive googled for it but found nothing but nonsense about how to enable tv-out on my radeon 9000 |
| 22:02.26 | trygg | Can someone give me a guide to it? :) |
| 22:03.53 | lunitik | trygg: using 'radeon' driver for x? or installed proprietary drivers? |
| 22:04.11 | lunitik | trygg: for the proprietary variety, perhaps try #ati |
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| 22:06.02 | enouf | lunitik: darn you <shakes fist> - dang Konversation broke my bot access ... going back to Ksirc :-p |
| 22:06.23 | lunitik | enouf: have to identify... |
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| 22:07.23 | enouf | lunitik: everytime I try to access dpkg or even aptitude, I get nada zippo (EXCEPT for that one reference to strip joints - roflmao) |
| 22:07.42 | lunitik | enouf: file > server list > edit ... Identity > edit ... service: nickserv, password: whatever |
| 22:08.19 | Erwin | After an upgrade to that new x.org server, XTerm seems to be ignoring XTerm*metaSendsEscape / XTerm*eightBitInput -- pressing Alt-s e.g in mc gives just plain 's' -- any idea what could cause this? |
| 22:08.21 | enouf | lunitik: ahhh...ok - thought this "new" and improved irc client would've had as default :-p |
| 22:08.37 | streuner | no |
| 22:08.42 | streuner | not to every bot... |
| 22:08.52 | lunitik | enouf: ksirc knew your nickserv password? |
| 22:10.10 | enouf | lunitik: umm.. i forget |
| 22:10.17 | Erwin | Also, it seems that the X.org server cannot understand XKbdModel "microsoft" -- it says something about xkbcomp not being able to find "microsoft" in include file "pc" -- is there some other parameter for the "keyboard" driver I should be setting that in? keyboard(4) mentions XKbVariant, XKbOptions, but no explanation |
| 22:10.22 | lunitik | streuner: dpkg? been a long time since I tried to message it without being registered, although it has to be registered to message me... |
| 22:10.46 | enouf | lunitik: Konv still not working even though I did what you said AND manually did it |
| 22:11.02 | foonick | dpkg, what's up? |
| 22:11.02 | dpkg | everything is okay thanks |
| 22:11.20 | enouf | lunitik: I'll fire up Ksirc again and let you know about that nickserv stuff |
| 22:11.20 | lunitik | enouf: weird, I'm pretty sure dpkg hates me because I /msg it so much via konvi :P |
| 22:11.37 | enouf | dpkg are you stoned? |
| 22:12.16 | enouf | lunitik: That's exactly what I'm trying to do |
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| 22:12.24 | streuner | enouf: maybe a error with your irc-client |
| 22:12.34 | streuner | just re-connect |
| 22:13.26 | streuner | or, could be also an case with dpkg, you fooled it too much... ;-) |
| 22:13.58 | enouf | streuner ..will do -- I already had to (ahem .... uh 'reboot') since it couldn't connect to more than one channel and STILL doesn't after teh windoze procedure (yes , i tried session logoff only at first :-() |
| 22:14.41 | enouf | streuner: can't be -- dpkg is my bud, wants to go strip club bouncing :-) |
| 22:14.50 | streuner | hehe |
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| 22:15.33 | lunitik | enouf: ahh... each network entry allows you to join as many channels as you want... again via edit ... have to add more network entries if its not on that network (obviously) |
| 22:15.42 | J_ | Hey, anyone free to give me a bit of help with the Debian setup? |
| 22:15.50 | lunitik | !anyone |
| 22:15.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:15.51 | J_ | It's specifically regarding the networking :( |
| 22:16.01 | lunitik | !ask |
| 22:16.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:16.08 | streuner | !tell J_ about interfaces |
| 22:16.19 | lunitik | streuner: during install? |
| 22:16.31 | J_ | Yeah, this is during install |
| 22:16.33 | streuner | after install :-) |
| 22:16.39 | lunitik | streuner: (legit question, is that file created during install for the network setup step?) |
| 22:16.47 | trygg | Any musicplayer that can sum up how long i have played ? :D |
| 22:16.51 | trygg | like foobar. |
| 22:16.54 | streuner | sure |
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| 22:17.30 | streuner | but it could be his NIC isn't supported or he made some mistakes |
| 22:17.33 | J_ | Hmm |
| 22:17.35 | lunitik | trygg: I know amarok can... not sure about others... |
| 22:17.46 | J_ | DHCP is enabled, therefore the auto-config _should_ work |
| 22:18.05 | streuner | J_: so what error you got? |
| 22:18.08 | lunitik | J_: what kind of nic? |
| 22:18.18 | J_ | streuner, it simply doesn't connect |
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| 22:18.32 | J_ | lunitik, I'm not actually certain with the specifics of my NIC |
| 22:18.37 | streuner | J_: just finish the install-process |
| 22:18.41 | J_ | Would opening up the box reveal much more |
| 22:18.44 | lunitik | J_: alt+f3 tells you errors etc |
| 22:18.49 | J_ | Ah, okay |
| 22:18.53 | J_ | streuner, okay :) |
| 22:18.58 | lunitik | J_: I'd imagine the card would tell you its make etc, yes |
| 22:19.37 | lunitik | streuner: can finish install / skip that step... and come back when the system is up of course, ans streuner suggests |
| 22:19.41 | lunitik | J_: ^ |
| 22:19.57 | J_ | Hmm, okay |
| 22:20.08 | streuner | look at dmesg, is the NIC regonise from the kernel or not |
| 22:20.22 | streuner | dmesg | grep eth |
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| 22:20.53 | J_ | Hmm |
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| 22:21.07 | J_ | Most of it has came up saying "eth0: no link during initialization" |
| 22:21.32 | lunitik | J_: where are you seeing that? still during install? |
| 22:21.43 | J_ | When I alt f1 |
| 22:21.50 | J_ | and dmesg | grep eth |
| 22:22.11 | lunitik | J_: so you booted into the debian install? |
| 22:22.17 | J_ | Yeah |
| 22:22.22 | J_ | Im in the installation right now, as we speak |
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| 22:22.39 | J_ | (On my other computer of course :p) |
| 22:22.48 | streuner | oh, sounds like a nforce problem? |
| 22:22.50 | lunitik | J_: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 22:23.19 | J_ | Okay |
| 22:23.25 | J_ | This looks more interesting |
| 22:23.32 | lunitik | J_: what does it output? |
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| 22:23.45 | J_ | nVidia Corporation nForce2 Ethernet Controller |
| 22:23.52 | streuner | bingo |
| 22:23.53 | lunitik | streuner: yup |
| 22:24.07 | J_ | heh |
| 22:24.24 | J_ | Well, I'm glad to know its not just me being retarded and its a known problem |
| 22:24.28 | J_ | Any solutions? |
| 22:24.36 | streuner | J_: what kind of installer do you use actually? |
| 22:25.11 | J_ | CD - netinstall |
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| 22:25.38 | streuner | which one? do you have an URL (link)? |
| 22:25.48 | lunitik | J_: correct to assume sarge netinst? |
| 22:25.48 | J_ | hmm, 1 second, let me find it |
| 22:25.55 | J_ | lunitik, actually Etch |
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| 22:27.46 | J_ | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:27.48 | abrotman | gravity: eh .. does that mean xgl won't get into debian at all? |
| 22:28.02 | gravity | abrotman: No idea yet. We'll see. |
| 22:28.06 | J_ | I selected the i386 one |
| 22:28.19 | abrotman | gravity: will aiglx make it out with etch? |
| 22:28.22 | J_ | under netinst |
| 22:28.30 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 22:28.34 | abrotman | yay |
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| 22:28.42 | enouf | lunitik: I've done that (set up each network and channel) .. but anyways I notice 2 other things, when I close window [x] konv doesn't disconnect (obviously, the systray has this "restore" feature, so I right click systray and choose Quit) and dpkg an aptitude bots are working 'sometimes' but opens in a separate tab.(so I didn't notice at all) ...gotta go soon |
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| 22:29.14 | Master_Medic | how do i figure out how many files there are in a directory? |
| 22:29.16 | J_ | so is there any solution to the nforce problem? |
| 22:29.21 | Master_Medic | and all subdirectories of that directory |
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| 22:29.42 | abrotman | Master_Medic: find . | wc -l |
| 22:30.13 | lunitik | enouf: you can turn off the systray entry... also, /msg's usually do go to new tabs... ksirc displays them in the same window? |
| 22:30.22 | beardy | Master_Medic: or 'ls -la | wc -l' |
| 22:30.23 | enouf | lunitik: means -->I've done that *prior* (set up each network and channel) .. to opening and trying to autoconnect (another missing function) -- bahhum-buggy-software ... |
| 22:30.39 | abrotman | beardy: and subdirs |
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| 22:30.54 | lunitik | enouf: kde wide, applications with systray's do not close when you hit X ... it closes the active window... |
| 22:31.00 | enouf | lunitik: Yes, the bot tells me right within the same tab/window |
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| 22:31.14 | lunitik | enouf: note mouse over X shows "close" not exit for all kde apps... |
| 22:31.22 | enouf | lunitik: Try that with Konquerer |
| 22:31.44 | Master_Medic | thanks :] |
| 22:31.54 | lunitik | enouf: says Close ... (I really did go try it, even though I was sure it would...) |
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| 22:32.03 | streuner | J_: laptop? |
| 22:32.25 | enouf | lunitik: Oh .. I see - it must 1st have a systray button ..well Ksirc will Disconnect when I close the Window, it just doesn't have a "Restore" function so it really disconnects |
| 22:32.40 | J_ | streuner, the PC I am installing it on isnt |
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| 22:32.53 | streuner | J_: do you have another NIC handy? |
| 22:33.12 | lunitik | enouf: should have popped up a pretty little dialog saying "this is going to the systray" when you click Close |
| 22:33.13 | J_ | streuner, damn, I wish, nope |
| 22:33.23 | enouf | lunitik: It (Ksirc) instead of "restore" , has an AutoConnect in the systray for reconnecting |
| 22:33.30 | streuner | J_: get another NIC, they are cheap second hand |
| 22:33.37 | J_ | Ah damn. |
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| 22:33.47 | J_ | Is it definitely neccessary? |
| 22:33.54 | lunitik | enouf: like I said, ksirc hasn't been hacked on in over a year, so new standard practices for kde aren't applied to it... |
| 22:33.54 | enouf | lunitik: I turned off tooltips due to low RAM, but since last nmight, I can turn it back on now :-) |
| 22:34.00 | Master_Medic | how do i figure out how fast my LAN connection is from this computer to another on the local network? |
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| 22:34.12 | abrotman | netcat |
| 22:34.14 | streuner | J_: well, use groups.google.com to find out is your NIC supported or not... |
| 22:34.38 | J_ | Hmm, okay. |
| 22:34.46 | J_ | Thanks for your help everyone, much appreciated! |
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| 22:34.55 | enouf | lunitik: ...right -- I see (New and Improved eh??) -- I thought sdngotn well - hehehe |
| 22:35.06 | marsje | hi. I'm trying to setup Samba using Swat. I can see my server and directory in Windows Explorer, but when I click it I have to enter a password... why? |
| 22:35.22 | abrotman | because you did it wrong? :) |
| 22:35.38 | Master_Medic | netcat then what? |
| 22:35.43 | Master_Medic | it prompts me for something |
| 22:35.43 | enouf | lunitik: Thanks anyway for now -- I gotta run -- bbl ;-) |
| 22:35.50 | lunitik | enouf: later |
| 22:35.51 | Master_Medic | $ netcat |
| 22:35.51 | Master_Medic | Cmd line: |
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| 22:36.09 | abrotman | man netcat ? |
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| 22:36.21 | enouf | clicks the systray icon 458 times ....grumbling something unintelligibally ... |
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| 22:36.26 | Master_Medic | oh lol |
| 22:37.33 | Master_Medic | i cant find anything on it in the man page |
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| 22:37.57 | J_ | by the way, streuner, is the nForce problem only with Linux? |
| 22:38.03 | J_ | It works fine with my Windows |
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| 22:38.32 | lunitik | J_: nvidia aren't great about releasing specs... so open source drivers for their devices aren't easy... |
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| 22:39.25 | abrotman | aren't great? |
| 22:39.49 | streuner | aren't great! |
| 22:39.55 | DocOC | s/aren\'t\ great/suck\ balls/ |
| 22:40.15 | abrotman | nvidia just doesn't :) |
| 22:40.59 | streuner | J_: i got my NIC for my server for 1 buck, brandnew, ISA, but works fine... |
| 22:41.28 | J_ | hmm, okay :) |
| 22:41.38 | J_ | Any particular type of NIC recommended? |
| 22:42.13 | lunitik | J_: pretty much anything not from nvidia should be fine afaik |
| 22:42.18 | DocOC | just about anything released by just about anyone other than nvidia? |
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| 22:42.40 | J_ | haha |
| 22:42.43 | J_ | Okay =D |
| 22:42.48 | streuner | 3com is very well supported and common, also rtl* |
| 22:43.17 | streuner | also all SiS chipsets |
| 22:43.23 | streuner | low prizes |
| 22:43.36 | abrotman | even intels aren't that bad |
| 22:43.45 | J_ | What kind of price rangesare we talking? |
| 22:43.50 | J_ | ranges are* |
| 22:43.53 | sanmarcos | rtl* |
| 22:44.03 | streuner | oh, pretty cheap |
| 22:44.03 | abrotman | FA311 or 312 from netgear work fine |
| 22:44.13 | streuner | 5 or 10 bucks |
| 22:44.20 | sanmarcos | dlink is good |
| 22:44.33 | DocOC | you'd be hard pressed to find a less expensive nic than FA311 |
| 22:44.43 | streuner | lunitik: it works great :-) |
| 22:45.07 | sussudio | i like 3c9xx and intelpro. |
| 22:45.14 | streuner | but those are mostly onboard-chipsets |
| 22:45.28 | streuner | SiS stuff and via |
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| 22:47.10 | J_ | Hmm, looks like I'll be doing that tomorrow after work =D |
| 22:48.05 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:48.31 | abrotman | via makes their own CPUs, GPUs, and embedded chipsets |
| 22:48.37 | abrotman | and motherboards |
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| 22:48.59 | lunitik | abrotman: because a lot of their business seems to be with AMD... and AMD will surely use ATI chipsets now... although I guess they'll still be used on the low end stuff |
| 22:49.14 | streuner | AMD bought ATI |
| 22:49.19 | abrotman | lunitik: uh .. yes .. but they won't be required to use amd |
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| 22:50.21 | lunitik | abrotman: I at least somewhat expected VIA to announce they'll be pushing more of their own stuff at least... I don't see a good business plan without AMD in the picture for them |
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| 22:50.53 | abrotman | lunitik: i don't understand why .. via makes motherboards .. what do they care? |
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| 22:52.05 | lunitik | abrotman: I've never seen a VIA machine that wasn't AMD based, just found out they make GPU's and CPU's ... if I didn't even know, I think they need to say something about it... |
| 22:52.34 | pstickne | VIA will go to the market that pays the best. |
| 22:52.35 | abrotman | guess you're uninformed .. shocker i know |
| 22:53.14 | lunitik | abrotman: go outside, ask the first person you see whether VIA makes CPU's |
| 22:53.23 | abrotman | idiot |
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| 22:53.29 | J_ | How do I run under Vesa? |
| 22:53.34 | pstickne | VIA does make some CPU's ... but they don't content with the AMD line. |
| 22:53.36 | bush | abrotman: via makes CPUs |
| 22:53.46 | pstickne | They are for different roles. |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | bush: you're not helping |
| 22:53.49 | bush | but like pstickne said - they're definitely not a direct competitor |
| 22:53.50 | pstickne | *contend |
| 22:54.00 | streuner | J_: VESA is for your videocard... |
| 22:54.23 | bush | helps to scroll up i guess |
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| 22:54.38 | streuner | if your NIC isn't supported you can 1) write a driver 2) just install another NIC |
| 22:54.44 | abrotman | wait |
| 22:54.48 | cds | Can anyone remind me what the app is to configure X? |
| 22:54.49 | abrotman | erm ... 3) wait |
| 22:54.52 | abrotman | !drxx cds |
| 22:54.53 | dpkg | cds: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:54.56 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm misinformed... sure... but how many people know about VIA other than via AMD? I'd consider myself a geek, and I didn't know... most people that currently use VIA chipsets probably have no idea... |
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| 22:55.01 | cds | abrotman: Ta. |
| 22:55.13 | streuner | abrotman: ...till hell freezes? ;-) |
| 22:55.21 | abrotman | lunitik: i wouldn't |
| 22:55.34 | cds | abrotman: Hmm, is it xorg in testing? |
| 22:55.36 | robin_sz | OK, so who stole the ascii entry pad off my copy of xchat?? own up!! |
| 22:55.39 | abrotman | cds: yep |
| 22:55.41 | pstickne | lunaphyte_, anyone who builds a PC will most likely know about VIA. It doesn't matter if end-users don't know. |
| 22:55.44 | cds | Ta. |
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| 22:56.11 | lunitik | abrotman: I know about hardware... I know about software... I don't just use it... I'm certainly more aware than most about such things... |
| 22:56.21 | abrotman | apparently you don't |
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| 22:56.49 | abrotman | it's pretty well known that Via bought cyrix up quite some time ago .. ON TOP of their entire embedded line .. miniITX sound familiar? |
| 22:56.52 | lunitik | abrotman: note: most != people in IRC, or working in the computer field... most = average joe and jane |
| 22:57.17 | DocOC | I love that business model: go outside, ask the first person you see what your next business decision should be. |
| 22:57.19 | abrotman | lunitik: it doesn't matter .. it's off topic here |
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| 22:57.37 | lunitik | DocOC: thats not what I said... it was a real world example of Average Joe |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | real world people don't know amd/intel |
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| 22:58.09 | cds | Hmm... is there no app that will let me add a second video card? |
| 22:58.15 | lunitik | abrotman: they don't know differences... but they've heard of both... and can likely tell you they make processors |
| 22:58.16 | cds | dpkg-reconigre didn't let me. |
| 22:58.24 | abrotman | not likely |
| 22:59.07 | lunitik | abrotman: try it :P I underestimate average people a lot... but not that drastically |
| 22:59.46 | lunitik | abrotman: although, asking them what CPU means likely would get some fun answers |
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| 23:01.25 | ktwilight | it depends so much, it's quite useless to discuss :) |
| 23:02.53 | cds | Er.. isn't the xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 23:04.12 | abrotman | you're always wrong |
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| 23:05.32 | lunitik | abrotman: always and never almost certainly renders any statement false |
| 23:05.37 | J_ | how can i be certain that my connectivity problem is due to my NIC? |
| 23:05.56 | lunitik | abrotman: often, frequently... sure... always? |
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| 23:06.10 | abrotman | no wonder caphuso didn't like you |
| 23:06.47 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 23:06.47 | abrotman | cds: it is there |
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| 23:07.03 | abrotman | cds: and you need .. xinerama or whatever ti is |
| 23:07.03 | sanmarcos | abrotman caphuso peterS doldelelcaro cafuego, and so on, they are the hardcore here |
| 23:07.05 | Shadowcat | you haven't seen an argument until an ubuntu user comes in here demanding help |
| 23:07.17 | bush | speaking of which |
| 23:07.17 | cds | abrotman: Even the keymap is different.. et hasn't changed. |
| 23:07.23 | bush | omg my ubuntu isnt working, help plz! |
| 23:07.24 | cafuego | whut? |
| 23:07.25 | abrotman | cds: there's no message? |
| 23:07.30 | cds | abrotman: Noe. |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | cafuego: back to sleep with you :) |
| 23:07.36 | cafuego | Zzzz |
| 23:07.44 | abrotman | cds: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 23:07.51 | sanmarcos | Shadowcat, thats because the ubuntu community is very newbie oriented |
| 23:08.02 | cds | abrotman: What does that do? |
| 23:08.11 | abrotman | priority low |
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| 23:08.19 | sanmarcos | cafuego, how long have you been coming to this channel? |
| 23:08.25 | cds | abrotman: (And how do I insatll xinerama?) |
| 23:08.27 | cafuego | sanmarcos: no idea |
| 23:08.30 | cds | Priority low? |
| 23:08.34 | streuner | !factinfo nforce |
| 23:08.34 | dpkg | nforce -- last modified at Thu Aug 28 04:54:14 2003 by cafuego!cafuego@Fsck.Dubya.Fsck.him.with.a.big.rubber.ducky.ipv6.cafuego.net; it has been requested 65 times, last by streuner, 30m 18s ago. |
| 23:08.37 | cafuego | sanmarcos: does foreber sound about right? |
| 23:08.53 | streuner | according to that factoid a long time ... :-/ |
| 23:08.53 | abrotman | nice hostname |
| 23:08.53 | sanmarcos | cafuego, of course |
| 23:08.55 | lunitik | cds: it makes dpkg-reconfigure ask you more questions... dpkg-reconfigure configures packages on debian systems |
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| 23:08.58 | cafuego | Oh look, it was my mhall hostmask :-) |
| 23:09.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:09.05 | streuner | haha |
| 23:09.06 | cds | Ah. |
| 23:09.09 | lunitik | cds: ensures it asks you the questions you want to see |
| 23:09.27 | cds | Bah, now the bloody card is loose. |
| 23:09.36 | abrotman | the card is loose? |
| 23:09.48 | jonas__ | what a north american mirror thats not b0rked |
| 23:09.49 | cds | Yes |
| 23:09.57 | abrotman | jonas__: pick a Uni mirror |
| 23:10.03 | jonas__ | hm, k |
| 23:10.06 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 23:10.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 23:10.25 | jonas__ | yea i know about that but i tried a couple and got the errors |
| 23:10.37 | jonas__ | wondering if onyone has certified non-b0rked mirror :P |
| 23:10.48 | meowsqueak | does anyone know about a dpkg problem with the python-tk package, or am I seeing something unique? |
| 23:10.57 | meowsqueak | (sid) |
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| 23:11.33 | sanmarcos | i forgot about streuner, he is also hardcore #debian |
| 23:11.52 | Zweideutig | I can't remember, can Debian install boot from floppies? |
| 23:11.53 | sanmarcos | meowsqueak, check the bts, or file a bug, check apt-listbugs |
| 23:12.26 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 23:12.26 | lunitik | meowsqueak: Gnea was having similar issues yesturday if I recall |
| 23:12.28 | meowsqueak | sanmarcos: ok, will do |
| 23:12.47 | meowsqueak | lunitik: oh? related to python-tk being non-uninstallable and python2.3 missing? |
| 23:12.53 | cafuego | .. in an airport cooling vent |
| 23:13.15 | lunitik | meowsqueak: I believe so, yes |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 23:13.37 | sanmarcos | see the hardcores answer to each other, they have their codes |
| 23:13.40 | meowsqueak | lunitik: do you know how Gnea fixed it? |
| 23:14.04 | lunitik | meowsqueak: I think he decided he was going to tackle it today or something... |
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| 23:14.12 | DocOC | btw, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg does nothing different than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. The default priority is already low. |
| 23:14.15 | meowsqueak | sanmarcos: I can't install apt-listbugs because my package system is broken - catch22 :( |
| 23:14.56 | cafuego | DocOC: Only if you set it to low at install time, which I for one never do. |
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| 23:15.32 | abrotman | DocOC: with xserver-xfree86 .. it used to do a lot more |
| 23:15.46 | cafuego | sanmarcos: TINC |
| 23:16.02 | lunitik | meowsqueak: the issue yesterday was with Sid... so you really ought to have things like reportbug and apt-listbugs installed... |
| 23:16.02 | DocOC | well, it certainly gives you no configuration options re: xinerama. |
| 23:16.21 | meowsqueak | lunitik: yes, I realise that |
| 23:17.01 | lunitik | meowsqueak: apt-listbugs can assist you in avoiding these kinda of issues... neat huh? :P |
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| 23:17.05 | meowsqueak | unfortunately I have things out of kilter at the moment due to this bug - with python missing I can't install python because python-tk blocks it... and can't remove python-tk because the removal requires python... heh, it's rather amusing... trying to force some stuff thru now |
| 23:17.08 | sanmarcos | cafuego, nice, I see, those girls in the pictures are your gf's? |
| 23:17.14 | lunitik | s/of// |
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| 23:17.46 | cafuego | sanmarcos: It's the idea that counts, not the image. |
| 23:17.57 | sanmarcos | cafuego, nice |
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| 23:18.27 | pstickne | meowsqueak, aptitude |
| 23:18.58 | lunitik | pstickne: doesn't help with [post,pre]rm script errors |
| 23:19.12 | meowsqueak | yeah it's not apt that is broken, it's dpkg |
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| 23:19.42 | meowsqueak | I'm trying to work out how to force the install of the python2.3 deb and make dpkg ignore the fact python-tk is wrong version |
| 23:19.55 | streuner | oh |
| 23:19.59 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 23:20.00 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 23:20.00 | cafuego | meowsqueak: That's when you use `dpkg -i ..../python.deb .../python-tk.deb' |
| 23:20.11 | lunitik | !info python2.3 sarge |
| 23:20.18 | dpkg | python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2837 kB, Installed size: 9400 kB |
| 23:20.20 | cafuego | meowsqueak: Give '--force-depends' a go |
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| 23:20.37 | meowsqueak | cafuego: yes, but that doesn't work because to upgrade python-tk it has to be removed first, and it can't be removed... gonna try that --force-depends tho, thanks |
| 23:20.56 | cds | Why is my xterm all black? |
| 23:20.58 | lunitik | meowsqueak: can install etch version just to clean things up... |
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| 23:21.04 | reaVer | hi |
| 23:21.08 | cds | My mouse cursor, and all text, black. |
| 23:21.21 | reaVer | someone here knows about port forwarding? |
| 23:21.22 | streuner | cds: seems to be the default... |
| 23:21.34 | reaVer | I've forwarded a port, but the game won't work |
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| 23:21.42 | meowsqueak | cafuego: didn't work, still insists on trying to remove python-tk |
| 23:21.42 | cds | streuner: My icewm config changes that... |
| 23:21.45 | meowsqueak | might try a hold |
| 23:21.49 | cds | streuner: How do I fix it? |
| 23:22.02 | meowsqueak | lunitik: that's not a bad idea |
| 23:22.11 | lunitik | meowsqueak: can mix etch and sid atm... same libc6 |
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| 23:22.43 | sid | I just got a libc6 update on sid a few days ago. Are you sure lunitik? |
| 23:22.58 | sid | ii libc6 2.3.6-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:23.00 | meowsqueak | hmmm actually I got a libc update today |
| 23:23.05 | sid | Is what I have on sid. |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 23:23.13 | lunitik | sid: still 2.3.6 ... just different build |
| 23:23.15 | meowsqueak | (IIRC) |
| 23:23.16 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4620 kB, Installed size: 11168 kB |
| 23:23.17 | meowsqueak | ok |
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| 23:25.40 | streuner | meowsqueak: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:25.54 | meowsqueak | 2.3.6-18 |
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| 23:26.22 | streuner | slap yourself |
| 23:26.25 | meowsqueak | hmmm, why doesn't dpkg --force-downgrade ignore the fact that python-tk is in conflict? Wrong --force option perhaps? |
| 23:26.42 | meowsqueak | streuner: explain |
| 23:26.47 | streuner | !sid faq |
| 23:26.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:26.58 | streuner | read that |
| 23:27.01 | lunitik | meowsqueak: that wasn't the answer to his question for one... |
| 23:27.13 | meowsqueak | well, it was part of the line |
| 23:27.18 | meowsqueak | I didn't realise he wanted the entire line |
| 23:27.22 | meowsqueak | ii libc6 2.3.6-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:27.28 | meowsqueak | doesn't make a huge difference IMO |
| 23:27.43 | meowsqueak | cryptic comments are very UNHELPFUL |
| 23:28.08 | streuner | and users who didn't read /topic also |
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| 23:28.37 | streuner | you are using unstable and don't know about BTS? |
| 23:28.48 | meowsqueak | look, I really don't understand what you mean - are you trying to tell me I have the wrong glibc installed? |
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| 23:28.55 | meowsqueak | I know about BTS |
| 23:29.02 | ciphr | my system lags with debian... :( |
| 23:29.04 | streuner | so read it :-) |
| 23:29.11 | ciphr | when ever the hardsik is busy |
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| 23:29.22 | meowsqueak | but you didn't link me to BTS, you linked me to the FAQ |
| 23:29.33 | amphi | ciphr: dma is enabled/ |
| 23:29.35 | amphi | ? |
| 23:29.41 | streuner | !btssmite meowsqueak |
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| 23:30.01 | ciphr | in kernel...its is enabled by default |
| 23:30.03 | meowsqueak | my first question here was if anyone knew of an existing python-tk bug |
| 23:30.09 | ciphr | i dont know if there is anywhere else |
| 23:30.21 | ciphr | i will check again in kernel...brb.. |
| 23:30.23 | meowsqueak | and someone said they did, so the conversation progressed. I fail to see why you assume therefore that I'm not using other resources as well |
| 23:30.27 | lunitik | meowsqueak: what streuner refers to about the topic: http://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions |
| 23:30.34 | peder_ | common_functions.php 181 /bin/df /bin/df: `/jail/glftpd/site/disk2': Permission denied <- I get this error when I am using phpsysinfo, does anyone know how I can fix that? ( http://www.petruz.org/sysinfo2/ )common_functions.php 181 /bin/df /bin/df: `/jail/glftpd/site/disk2': Permission denied <- I get this error when I am using phpsysinfo, does anyone know how I can fix that? ( http://www.petruz.org/sysinfo2/ ) |
| 23:30.35 | sid | !tell meowsqueak about anyone |
| 23:30.58 | lunitik | meowsqueak: note: New Python policy |
| 23:31.19 | streuner | meowsqueak: if you going to argue about unstable and problems there you'll prolly haven't any fun htere |
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| 23:31.33 | streuner | s/htere/here/ |
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| 23:32.08 | meowsqueak | ok, look, thanks for your help but you've really confused me. I don't know whether I'm now trying to solve a politics problem, a social problem or a package problem. |
| 23:32.15 | meowsqueak | well done. |
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| 23:32.25 | meowsqueak | lunitik: thanks for the pointer |
| 23:32.32 | streuner | read debian-project |
| 23:32.36 | streuner | ML |
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| 23:33.02 | ciphr | CONFIG_GENERIC_ISA_DMA=y, CONFIG_GENERIC_IOMAP=y, CONFIG_GENERIC_HWEIGHT=y |
| 23:33.10 | ciphr | yes it is enabled |
| 23:33.19 | lunitik | meowsqueak: followed logically via wiki.debian.org/Status |
| 23:33.26 | ciphr | CONFIG_ISA_DMA_API=y |
| 23:33.31 | ciphr | every where... |
| 23:33.34 | Shadowcat | wow |
| 23:33.35 | meowsqueak | lunitik: I'm not *building* python packages |
| 23:33.51 | streuner | we know |
| 23:33.54 | meowsqueak | I already checked the status page |
| 23:34.14 | ciphr | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y, # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set, CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y |
| 23:34.16 | streuner | you should read BTS and the wiki page |
| 23:34.32 | ciphr | amphi, =) |
| 23:34.45 | meowsqueak | however I have found the python-tk bug in BTS |
| 23:34.48 | meowsqueak | reading now |
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| 23:35.16 | amphi | ciphr: and does hdparm show it's on? |
| 23:35.20 | ciphr | dma is enabled for everything...but my laptop lags when harddisk is too busy...when i copy my files from another machine |
| 23:35.27 | ciphr | checking |
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| 23:36.00 | czekist | hi |
| 23:36.34 | beardy | abrotman: Isn't 'ls -ApR1 | sed '/^$/d;/:/d' | wc -l' more correct than 'find . | wc -l', because, the first one does not count the current directory, the "." as a file, the second one does, and if "." should be counted as a file, then so should "..", in which case none of them are correct? (since none of them counts "..") |
| 23:36.41 | meowsqueak | streuner: ok, that doesn't help, because I can't install python-gdbm either, that is blocked by python-tk too |
| 23:36.41 | tuv | ciphr, laptop disks are slow |
| 23:36.58 | ciphr | no...5400rpm isnt that much slow |
| 23:37.02 | czekist | i have configured firewall using firestarter, however it returns in console stuff like this every few seconds: |
| 23:37.02 | ciphr | not in windoz |
| 23:37.04 | czekist | Inbound IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=89.210.33.210 DST=83.27.40.124 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=117 ID=23645 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=62638 DPT=6881 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 23:37.13 | abrotman | beardy: uh .. i'm not sure he was looking for an exact number |
| 23:37.18 | tuv | ciphr, yes it is. i have 7200rpm and sometimes i find it slow |
| 23:37.18 | czekist | how can i set it to not log everything in tty? |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | czekist: ask #iptables |
| 23:37.32 | streuner | heh |
| 23:37.33 | tuv | ciphr, especially when it's busy |
| 23:37.36 | meowsqueak | to install python-gdbm, which fixes the un-uninstallable python-tk, I need python2.3 installed, but I can't install python2.3 because python-tk conflicts and I cannot remove/upgrade python-tk because it needs python installed. Fun. |
| 23:37.37 | beardy | abrotman: No, but let's pretend we are :) |
| 23:37.40 | streuner | !listkeys syslog |
| 23:37.41 | ciphr | then that means windoz performs better ?... =( |
| 23:37.47 | ciphr | time to switch back?? |
| 23:37.56 | abrotman | beardy: eh ... maybe i wasn't trying to be precise :) |
| 23:38.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'syslog' by key (8): ksyslog-jive ;; #debian syslog ;; _default syslog console ;; syslog mark ;; #debian syslog console ;; _default syslog ;; syslog console ;; syslog. |
| 23:38.07 | amphi | ciphr: yeah, probably |
| 23:38.12 | czekist | abrotman: i was there, they said me to use "iptables-save | grep -v ' -j LOG ' > tmp; iptables-restore tmp", it worked, but when i restrt firestarter it rewrittes confi or something. :/ |
| 23:38.14 | streuner | !syslog console |
| 23:38.26 | meowsqueak | what I really need to know is the dpkg option that forces dpkg to install a package, ignoring conflicts/dependencies/etc |
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| 23:38.28 | dpkg | well, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 23:38.29 | beardy | abrotman: So do you think what I said was correct? |
| 23:38.30 | tuv | ciphr, or that you're running too many apps using the disk |
| 23:38.48 | becks` | hi, is there a command to show the current cpu usage in %? (except top) |
| 23:38.52 | beardy | abrotman: Should one count "." and/or ".." as a file? |
| 23:38.59 | ciphr | i do....copying my files and browsing pr0n + watching animes... |
| 23:39.07 | meowsqueak | then I can force-install python2.3 and then I'll be able to upgrade python-tk. As it stands, I can't install the etch version of python atm because of the same issue. |
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| 23:39.43 | Master_Medic | how do i assign my computer a static ip address |
| 23:39.50 | abrotman | beardy: well .. since i didn't ask the question .. i can't know .. but even using find . .. was probably wrong |
| 23:39.53 | abrotman | Master_Medic: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:39.57 | beardy | abrotman: Nothing wrong with your reply to him, I just got thinking.. |
| 23:40.21 | tuv | ciphr, just try to avoid going to swap. swapping causes disk delays. close the apps you're not using |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | beardy: actually there is .. since it counts dirs and file |
| 23:40.32 | abrotman | files |
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| 23:40.52 | ciphr | ok |
| 23:41.00 | beardy | abrotman: and he only wanted files, all files except directories? |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | beardy: if you run `find .` .. it will show directories |
| 23:41.36 | Master_Medic | find . -type f for files |
| 23:41.41 | Master_Medic | or find . -type d for directories |
| 23:41.42 | abrotman | yes .. i know |
| 23:41.44 | beardy | abrotman: Yeah, so will the one using ls I said above. |
| 23:42.22 | beardy | abrotman: it differs in 1 only, the count |
| 23:43.29 | meowsqueak | ok, problem solved for now - had to use --force-overwrite and include libdb4.3 in package list. Thanks lunitik, streuner et al for trying to help. |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | beardy: it's really say the correct answer would be to only have find show files |
| 23:44.33 | beardy | abrotman: Not unless one says so, exactly, directories are files too. |
| 23:44.52 | beardy | abrotman: They are within "all files" aren't they? |
| 23:45.01 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 23:45.20 | beardy | abrotman: the thing I got confused by is if . and .. should be counted.. |
| 23:45.31 | abrotman | i.d say .. no |
| 23:45.44 | beardy | abrotman: Then none of them are correct :) |
| 23:46.09 | beardy | or wait.. now I confused myself.. |
| 23:46.33 | beardy | abrotman: 'ls -ApR1 | sed '/^$/d;/:/d' | wc -l' is correct |
| 23:46.52 | abrotman | no! |
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| 23:47.01 | beardy | abrotman: Why not? |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | to confuse you |
| 23:47.26 | beardy | hehe |
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| 23:48.29 | beardy | I think I'm correct about that.. I didn't intend to bash on you, just sort it out properly for myself.. |
| 23:48.35 | beardy | abrotman: ^^ |
| 23:48.40 | beardy | !beer abrotman |
| 23:49.23 | sussudio | %bear beardy |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 23:49.45 | sussudio | !test |
| 23:49.57 | sussudio | :-| |
| 23:50.10 | beardy | %lag dpkg |
| 23:50.30 | sussudio | ... |
| 23:50.39 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
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| 23:54.32 | beardy | Knockout |
| 23:54.45 | beardy | %badgersmite sussudio |
| 23:54.54 | beardy | hmm |
| 23:54.56 | Shadowcat | !beat beardy |
| 23:55.00 | Shadowcat | damnit |
| 23:55.02 | Shadowcat | where's dpkg |
| 23:55.05 | beardy | .. |
| 23:55.12 | Shadowcat | beardy you broke the bot |
| 23:55.19 | ciphr | watching high resolution video makes the system laggy... |
| 23:55.33 | ciphr | no harddisk action involved here... |
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| 23:56.10 | beardy | Shadowcat: I did not. You better unsmack me. |
| 23:56.28 | pstickne | ciphr, X is eating up the CPUs trying to draw it to the screen? |
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| 23:56.43 | Shadowcat | beardy: liar, see, the smacking worked |
| 23:56.44 | Shadowcat | now it's back |
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| 23:57.08 | Shadowcat | !beat beardy |
| 23:57.16 | Shadowcat | there we go, balance is restored |
| 23:57.30 | beardy | No. |
| 23:57.40 | Shadowcat | yes :P |
| 23:57.41 | ciphr | yeah...could be that... |
| 23:57.56 | ciphr | i install nv driver properly... |
| 23:58.09 | ciphr | ed* |
| 23:58.44 | beardy | !cluebat Shadowcat |
| 23:58.54 | ciphr | i use vlc...may be mplayer works better... |
