| 00:00.47 | beardy | ciphr: Make sure you use the correct output driver. |
| 00:00.58 | ciphr | ok...checking |
| 00:01.19 | beardy | ciphr: xv is what you want IIRC, not sure what vlc let's you choose from |
| 00:01.40 | beardy | if at all |
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| 00:02.25 | sid | How can I see a list of packages that are on hold and don't get dist-upgraded? |
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| 00:02.40 | trygg | What do i do with a .deb-file? |
| 00:02.44 | ciphr | ok.. |
| 00:02.49 | sid | I remember adding a package not to be dist-upgraded because I had a problem with it. But that was awhile ago. I don't even remember the package name. |
| 00:03.03 | sid | trygg: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:03.11 | beardy | trygg: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 00:03.12 | abrotman | trygg: man dpkg |
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| 00:04.51 | ciphr | yeah...just tell the adapter number for xvideo... :D |
| 00:04.56 | ciphr | works...less LAG |
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| 00:07.48 | Master_Medic | if i'm editing /etc/network/interfaces and i want to specify my netmask how do i know what to put for it? |
| 00:08.04 | Master_Medic | is that information stored on my router somewhere? |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | ask your network administrator |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | yes .. your router would probably know |
| 00:08.36 | Master_Medic | ok |
| 00:08.46 | pstickne | Master_Medic, or look at your current settings |
| 00:08.52 | Master_Medic | how do i specify a hostname for the computer? |
| 00:08.59 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 00:08.59 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 00:09.01 | Master_Medic | pstickne, right now it just says dhcp |
| 00:09.02 | abrotman | !tell Master_Medic about grounding |
| 00:09.16 | Master_Medic | not the hostname of the computer but the hostname on the network |
| 00:09.32 | pstickne | Master_Medic, and you can't stay using DHCP? :( |
| 00:09.44 | Master_Medic | nope |
| 00:10.18 | pstickne | then unless it's run by a moron he'll want to give you a static IP in another range. |
| 00:10.28 | pstickne | and the corresponding information for it. |
| 00:11.02 | Master_Medic | umm i am the network administrator lol |
| 00:11.11 | abrotman | you sohuld know your netmask |
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| 00:11.23 | Master_Medic | okay i found the netmask |
| 00:11.38 | beardy | Master_Medic: Is this a network in your home? |
| 00:11.39 | Master_Medic | its called subnet mask in my routers web interface |
| 00:11.43 | Master_Medic | yes |
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| 00:12.07 | Master_Medic | is the gateway the local ip address of the router? |
| 00:12.12 | Master_Medic | do i need to specify the gateway? |
| 00:12.57 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 00:13.07 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 00:13.08 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 00:14.21 | Master_Medic | it doest say if i need to have the gateway line in there |
| 00:14.31 | Master_Medic | and in the example it gives there is no gateway line |
| 00:15.52 | pstickne | Master_Medic, the gateway is only nice if you want to be able to talk to other networks :) |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | useless otherwise! |
| 00:17.50 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 00:18.04 | Master_Medic | i dont think it worked |
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| 00:18.12 | Master_Medic | oh crap |
| 00:18.18 | Master_Medic | yeah ii need to add the gateway :P |
| 00:18.26 | Master_Medic | the gateway is the address of my router right? |
| 00:18.38 | Master_Medic | so if my router is at 192.168.2.1 on my LAN i add gateway 192.168.2.1? |
| 00:18.57 | Master_Medic | or is it the gateway my router connects to? |
| 00:20.15 | efaistos | is there an option for mount to put a label on a partition ? |
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| 00:22.48 | fog_proxy | Hi all.I installed debian on my PC.then I installed ati driver for xorg7 .After run fgl_glxgears I got a nice report,but when I run glxgears,it seems very slow and no output to the console,I guess maybe I missed to install some packages,any idea? |
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| 00:24.18 | amphi | fog_proxy: recent glxgears doesn't output unless you specify --yes_I_know_it_is_not_a_benchmark or summat IIRC |
| 00:24.22 | SeanTater | Where might I find any form of documentation on python-apt? |
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| 00:24.29 | abrotman | the source? :) |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | amphi: there's another option |
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| 00:25.10 | phogg | SeanTater: the source, or maybe the developer's website |
| 00:25.14 | amphi | abrotman: just hearsay, I have a venerable version |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | amphi: no .. try glxgears --help |
| 00:25.37 | abrotman | bah .. not it |
| 00:25.59 | abrotman | it's like --printfps |
| 00:26.04 | fog_proxy | amphi: any idea to see output,if there are no output,how can I know the speed? |
| 00:26.38 | amphi | fog_proxy: see abrotman's remark above, or even man glxgears, I guess |
| 00:26.43 | abrotman | amphi: -printfps |
| 00:26.53 | abrotman | only one - |
| 00:26.55 | amphi | fog_proxy: ^^^^ |
| 00:27.21 | fog_proxy | I have tried -printfps,still no output |
| 00:27.30 | fog_proxy | oh,comes out now |
| 00:27.32 | abrotman | wait a few seconds |
| 00:27.38 | abrotman | impatient people around here .. jeez |
| 00:27.41 | fog_proxy | but,it is very slow... |
| 00:27.42 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:27.55 | amphi | only 50,000fps? |
| 00:27.56 | fog_proxy | 1000 frame 199 FPS |
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| 00:28.29 | fog_proxy | too slow,right? |
| 00:28.41 | abrotman | depends on the card |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | and driver |
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| 00:28.52 | phogg | fog_proxy: probably |
| 00:28.57 | amphi | what does glxinfo say? |
| 00:29.03 | fog_proxy | abrotman: my card is ati x1300,should not so slow |
| 00:29.23 | fog_proxy | amphi: what you want to see,all the output? |
| 00:29.40 | pstickne | speaking of this ... how can one tell if DRI is enabled for a running X? |
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| 00:30.02 | gravity | pstickne: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:30.05 | amphi | fog_proxy: no, I get 700fps here with a radeon mobility 7500 and the xorg driver |
| 00:30.15 | fog_proxy | gravity: it said yes |
| 00:30.20 | gravity | There you are |
| 00:30.35 | pstickne | gravity, how can I toggle that? |
| 00:30.54 | phogg | pstickne: load dri in your X config file. |
| 00:30.57 | gravity | pstickne: You mean turn it on? What driver do you have? |
| 00:31.04 | pstickne | gravity, using radeon now |
| 00:31.09 | fog_proxy | amphi: I just installed the lastest ati office driver,which version is 8.27.10 |
| 00:31.11 | gravity | pstickne: What card? |
| 00:31.39 | amphi | fog_proxy: I know nothing about it, I use the xorg driver, which supports my card |
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| 00:32.01 | pstickne | gravity, M9 (actually the FireGL model) |
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| 00:32.15 | fog_proxy | amphi: so,does 199 fps too slow for this card? |
| 00:32.15 | gravity | pstickne: Ok, I don't know anything about fglrx |
| 00:32.28 | pstickne | gravity, not using it. just using radeon. |
| 00:32.47 | gravity | pstickne: Hrm... it should be enabled by default if your card is supported. |
| 00:32.56 | amphi | fog_proxy: I don't know about that card either - if it's recent, then it seems very slow |
| 00:33.05 | pstickne | gravity, strange, checking the Xorg log, says DRI was enabled, no other warning |
| 00:33.07 | trygg | I can have X running while apt-get:ing fglrx? |
| 00:33.19 | gravity | pstickne: But when you run glxinfo it says it's not enabled? |
| 00:33.20 | fog_proxy | amphi: I think so |
| 00:33.26 | pstickne | gravity, yes :( |
| 00:33.48 | gravity | pstickne: What version of libgl1-mesa-glx do you have installed? |
| 00:34.25 | pstickne | how can I check? |
| 00:34.30 | fog_proxy | amphi: I just guess whether it because I missed to install some package,any idea? |
| 00:34.38 | gravity | pstickne: apt-cache-policy libgl1-mesa-glx |
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| 00:34.56 | amphi | fog_proxy: none, I'm afraid, WRT proprietary video drivers |
| 00:35.12 | fog_proxy | amphi: well,thanks |
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| 00:35.33 | fog_proxy | abrotman: thanks too |
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| 00:35.56 | pstickne | gravity, I lied, I wasn't looking at the right part in the log... |
| 00:36.07 | gravity | pstickne: Ok... so what's going on then? |
| 00:36.31 | pstickne | ...and I'm also using fglrx (though I disabled it). I'll have to poke around somemore :) |
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| 00:36.39 | pstickne | gravity, an error message to look into :P |
| 00:36.40 | gravity | Ah, ok. So I know nothing about fglrx. |
| 00:36.55 | gravity | Bare minimum aside. |
| 00:37.09 | pstickne | here is something "(II) fglrx(0): Composite extension enabled, disabling direct rendering" |
| 00:37.14 | gravity | Heh, I've got enough on my hands without new hardware |
| 00:37.27 | pstickne | would direct rendering relate to DRI or is there something else it could mean? |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | gravity: can you make Xorg work on a packard bell with an s3 chipset?! |
| 00:37.39 | gravity | pstickne: Yes. You may want to disable composite. |
| 00:37.47 | gravity | abrotman: s3 should be supported... |
| 00:37.53 | gravity | I just did a bit of packaging of the driver |
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| 00:38.01 | abrotman | gravity: the joke part was the packard bell! |
| 00:38.04 | gravity | Heh |
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| 00:38.25 | abrotman | packard bell used to somehow alter chips so that every standard solution would fail |
| 00:38.35 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:38.38 | gravity | I never had one |
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| 00:38.46 | abrotman | !prize gravity |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | !UBUNTU |
| 00:38.50 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 00:39.27 | eegore | does anyone know if IP forwarding is enabled by default on the sarge 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:39.29 | linux_user400354 | everyone seems to hate ubuntu here |
| 00:39.37 | gravity | linux_user400354: I don't hate ubuntu. |
| 00:39.44 | amphi | eegore: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 00:39.45 | linux_user400354 | okay, most people here |
| 00:39.49 | EdLin | linux_user400354: we hate people talking about a distro that is not the topic of this channel. |
| 00:40.08 | linux_user400354 | i wasnt doing that. who was? |
| 00:40.11 | abrotman | linux_user400354: doesn't matter if we hate it or love it .. wrong channel for ubuntu support |
| 00:40.16 | lunitik | !tell linux_user400354 about based on debian |
| 00:40.17 | gravity | linux_user400354: People do. That's what we tend to hate. |
| 00:40.20 | trygg | Hm, when im apt-get:ing fglrx-driver-dev its saying that xserver may not be installed |
| 00:40.26 | eegore | set to 0 |
| 00:40.27 | linux_user400354 | who said this was the channel for ubuntu support? |
| 00:40.37 | amphi | eegore: set it to 1 then |
| 00:40.38 | gravity | linux_user400354: People come here all the time asking for ubuntu help. |
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| 00:40.43 | abrotman | your hostmask indicates you might have an ubuntu question |
| 00:40.49 | EdLin | linux_user400354: guess what, you're bringing up the topic of Ubuntu. |
| 00:40.55 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:41.08 | eegore | is trhere a config file that handles that at boot time? |
| 00:41.30 | abrotman | write your own ? |
| 00:41.37 | eegore | I thought the proc was only mounted at boot |
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| 00:42.07 | linux_user400354 | EdLin: no, i didnt. read before what i said. |
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| 00:42.27 | eegore | amphi: there is a services config file for that somewhere |
| 00:42.27 | EdLin | 20:34 < linux_user400354> everyone seems to hate ubuntu here |
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| 00:42.32 | EdLin | was your first comment |
| 00:42.36 | eegore | ? |
| 00:42.45 | amphi | eegore: /etc/sysctl.conf perhaps |
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| 00:43.03 | eegore | amphi: tnx if it works |
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| 00:44.33 | linux_user400354 | EdLin: whats your point? you assumed i said something about ubuntu first instead of reading what was typed before what i wrote. |
| 00:44.41 | abrotman | hostmask! |
| 00:44.46 | linux_user400354 | EdLin: assuming makes an ass out of you and me |
| 00:44.47 | gh0zt` | private |
| 00:44.50 | gravity | linux_user400354 EdLin, ok that's enough |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | public! |
| 00:44.53 | amphi | linux_user400354: now you're talking about talking about ubuntu ;) |
| 00:44.53 | EdLin | linux_user400354: so you're a liar too, I used /last to see it |
| 00:45.03 | gravity | EdLin: Stop it now |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | EdLin: i called !ubuntu based on his hostmask |
| 00:45.09 | EdLin | gravity: OK |
| 00:45.12 | gravity | Thank you |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | EdLin: before he said a word |
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| 00:45.46 | EdLin | abrotman: gotta stop talking about it :) |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | aye |
| 00:45.52 | gravity | Thank you |
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| 00:46.38 | Master_Medic | one this other computer i have it set up like a switch |
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| 00:46.41 | Master_Medic | it has 2 network cards, one recieves a connection from my main router |
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| 00:46.48 | Master_Medic | and the other relays the connection to the comp i just made static |
| 00:46.54 | linux_user400354 | what is new debian release called? |
| 00:47.05 | EdLin | linux_user400354: Sarge |
| 00:47.10 | amphi | linux_user400354: current stable is 'sarge' |
| 00:47.13 | linuxnewbee | does anyone know of a good wireless pci card that is compatable with debian? |
| 00:47.18 | Master_Medic | i bridged the two eths into br0 |
| 00:47.30 | Master_Medic | how do i make that switch type computer have a static address? while maintaining the ability to bridge and share the internet like i am now |
| 00:47.35 | amphi | linuxnewbee: ralink have a gpl driver |
| 00:47.57 | amphi | !tell linuxnewbee about wireless |
| 00:47.58 | linuxnewbee | I just bought and intellinet and I cant get the system to find it |
| 00:48.04 | gravity | There's mixed results with the prism cards... I haven't gotten mine working but others have had better luck |
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| 00:49.18 | linux_user400354 | what is the new release that is going to be coming out in December called? I know it is going to be stable. |
| 00:49.26 | abrotman | etch |
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| 00:49.32 | abrotman | !tell linux_user400354 about wwer |
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| 00:49.48 | linux_user400354 | what improvements does etch have? |
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| 00:50.02 | nevyn | xorg. |
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| 00:50.33 | beardy | linux_user400354: Later versions of packages and larger size. |
| 00:50.34 | EdLin | linux_user400354: 2.6.17 kernel, xorg, lots of later version numbers. |
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| 00:51.27 | linux_user400354 | why does someone need a secure apt? what is not secure about apt? |
| 00:52.02 | beardy | linux_user400354: what is not secure about internet? |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | beardy: are you a 14 year old girl from california? |
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| 00:52.12 | mfrisch | ha ha |
| 00:52.23 | beardy | abrotman: I'd be having much more fun with myself if I was.. |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | ick |
| 00:52.37 | mfrisch | :-( |
| 00:53.12 | beardy | abrotman: eh, no, why do you ask? |
| 00:53.22 | linux_user400354 | is the secure apt going to encrypt all of the packages, so people can not find out what you are downloading or maybe secure apt prevents a man in the middle attack? |
| 00:53.26 | beardy | abrotman: wanna cyber? |
| 00:53.43 | mfrisch | eew |
| 00:53.48 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 00:53.49 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:53.58 | abrotman | beardy: where is that beard? |
| 00:54.06 | beardy | abrotman: In your dreams. |
| 00:54.57 | letto | !tell me about wwer |
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| 00:55.03 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 00:55.03 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 00:55.07 | beardy | !selftell |
| 00:55.08 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 00:56.11 | beardy | abrotman: I think we scared off a few. |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | beardy: maybe you should shave .... /nick baldy |
| 00:57.01 | beardy | abrotman: and you could be /nick rotman |
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| 00:57.25 | abrotman | then i would have people insist i am german |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | erm .. wouldn't |
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| 00:57.57 | trygg | Hey, what should i do after i've apt-get'd fglrx-driver-dev? :) |
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| 00:59.46 | beardy | abrotman: you're not german? |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | NO |
| 00:59.59 | abrotman | noone in my entire family is german |
| 01:00.05 | abrotman | (that i know of anyways) |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | my family name from my dad's side is yitzhawk |
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| 01:01.30 | beardy | abrotman: You could /nick abreadman ? |
| 01:01.51 | sussudio | abrotman: i see he has a boat for sale. |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | sussudio: i do? |
| 01:02.07 | sussudio | abrotman: http://www.walleyesinc.com/walleyeinc3/lundboat203.html |
| 01:02.39 | abrotman | don't know any family members in ohio |
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| 01:03.55 | letto | is there a way i can get a list of there dpkg factoids? |
| 01:04.07 | abrotman | !tell letto about your factoids |
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| 01:05.13 | beardy | !sing sussudio |
| 01:05.44 | linux_user400354 | what in the world? |
| 01:06.05 | letto | lol |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 01:06.21 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 01:09.04 | beardy | Night abrotman |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | morning! |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | oh .. night beardy |
| 01:11.32 | eegore | amphi: I am setting up a debian box as a router |
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| 01:12.20 | amphi | eegore: I felicitate you ;) |
| 01:12.50 | eegore | it is better than the box going to the landfill and poluting |
| 01:13.11 | eegore | it ain't 3easy being Green |
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| 01:14.11 | eegore | I really have to give debian credit for extending the life cycle and usability of equipment that would otherwise be discarded |
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| 01:16.32 | eegore | The parts from my daughters old system are going to be turned into a media center with debian |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | does your daughter get a computer? |
| 01:20.09 | ApEtc | Not anymore it seems. :) |
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| 01:23.04 | Thanatermesis | any person knows the command for set a word/words to the memory of the mouse ? (middle click) |
| 01:23.25 | gravity | Thanatermesis: Just highlight it |
| 01:23.51 | Thanatermesis | gravity, well, i mean from a script... a script set this memory to the mouse directly without interaction |
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| 01:24.19 | gravity | Thanatermesis: I don't know if that's possible. It's an X mechanism. You may have to write a custom program to do that |
| 01:24.31 | gravity | Then again, such a program may exist |
| 01:25.10 | Thanatermesis | i think to its posible... i have read long time ago a stuff about this, but not sure if is the middle click or the control-v stuff |
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| 01:28.12 | gravity | Well, search around for X clipboard. That's what it's called. |
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| 01:29.42 | scanf | moin |
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| 01:33.22 | dvs | abrotman: I know what you mean |
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| 01:33.39 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:34.40 | babadi | Hi folks... I was just wondering if somebody knows what the standard practice is in Debian for setting iptables rules to take effect at boot time? |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
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| 01:36.02 | stoned | whats the best way to get rid of gnats. Lots of them. I went and bought the sticky hangy thingies |
| 01:36.11 | stoned | the bugs stick to it and stuff |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | close your windows |
| 01:36.15 | abrotman | throw out the trash |
| 01:36.22 | stoned | ohhh |
| 01:36.23 | stoned | trash |
| 01:36.27 | dvs | buy a shotgun ;-) |
| 01:36.31 | stoned | I have not cleaned in a weak |
| 01:36.38 | dvs | yuk! |
| 01:36.41 | abrotman | are you sure they're gnats and not fruit flies ? |
| 01:36.42 | stoned | or two |
| 01:36.49 | stoned | I have no fruit |
| 01:36.50 | Master_Medic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.54 | stoned | but tons of garbage in the kicktch |
| 01:37.03 | stoned | kitchen* |
| 01:37.09 | stoned | I dunno how that typo happened |
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| 01:37.23 | dvs | abrotman: overworked? |
| 01:37.27 | gravity | yay fruit flies |
| 01:37.48 | dave | hello? |
| 01:37.54 | stoned | hi |
| 01:37.54 | dabreegster | stoned: I think incense wards off mosquitoes. It might work for flies. |
| 01:38.17 | gravity | you can make a fly trap pretty easily |
| 01:38.40 | stoned | its not flies though |
| 01:38.48 | gravity | Put some fruit and a little vinegar in a bottle and put a paper cone in the top of the bottle so they can get in but not out |
| 01:39.08 | dabreegster | Do you have a cat? |
| 01:39.17 | stoned | do YOU have a cat? |
| 01:39.32 | dvs | stoned: hey, he's trying to help. |
| 01:39.39 | dabreegster | No. :( |
| 01:39.56 | dabreegster | I was around several of them today though. And some goats! |
| 01:40.07 | gravity | goats...e? |
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| 01:40.37 | dabreegster | No, just normal goats with no relation whatsoever to goatse.cx. Actual goats. |
| 01:40.41 | dvs | were they nervous? |
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| 01:41.07 | dabreegster | They didn't like us. They kept moving away when we tried to pet them. |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | pet .. ha! |
| 01:42.00 | dabreegster | Well, they're supposed to be sweet. They're just timid. |
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| 01:42.45 | gravity | Did you beat them for their insolence? |
| 01:43.10 | dabreegster | No, we just went to find other animals. |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | shot down by a farm animal! |
| 01:44.05 | dave | it's fun to punch goats in the forehead. |
| 01:44.23 | dvs | dave: I'd worry where the goat would hit you |
| 01:44.53 | dave | they get all riiled |
| 01:45.36 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 01:45.41 | dvs | bon nuit |
| 01:46.04 | dave | if a goat hit uwith its forehead it woukd hurt, They're like bricks |
| 01:46.21 | dabreegster | My friend has seen goats get their horns caught in a fence multiple times. |
| 01:46.33 | dvs | dabreegster: trying to escape? |
| 01:46.45 | stoned | what the fuck are you guys talking about? |
| 01:46.51 | dvs | stoned: goats |
| 01:46.52 | dabreegster | dvs: No, trying to get the grass that actually is greener on the other side. |
| 01:46.54 | dave | Anyone have any experience with dvb cards ondebian linux? |
| 01:46.59 | bucky | dvs: no those were the sheep |
| 01:47.11 | dvs | aren't we all? |
| 01:47.15 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
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| 01:47.38 | dvs | let me try this agian |
| 01:47.43 | dvs | dabreegster: aren't we all? |
| 01:48.00 | dave | Anyone have any experience with dvb pci cards running on debian |
| 01:48.07 | dabreegster | dvs: Of course. |
| 01:48.48 | redrain | abrotman: It seems you're bored... Did you read this: http://www.pacifict.com/Story/ |
| 01:49.01 | abrotman | did i just get targeted spam ? |
| 01:49.11 | redrain | abrotman: No, really |
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| 01:49.50 | abrotman | why would i read that ? |
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| 01:51.12 | redrain | abrotman: The story is worth to read, of course if you want to read something... |
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| 01:52.43 | hobophobe | Anyone know of a command-line/text only rss reader? |
| 01:53.01 | dabreegster | raggle |
| 01:53.53 | redrain | hobophobe: apt-cache show snownews |
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| 01:55.17 | hobophobe | Ah, thanks. I'm trying to find a way to get xscreensaver to show full news articles instead of just the blurbs from the feeds themselves |
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| 01:56.46 | linuxnewbie | quick simple question (I hope), If Im supposed to put the path to the kernel in a "make" string, what would that path be in debian usualy (6.2) |
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| 01:58.05 | amphi | linuxnewbie: wherever the source is, usually under /usr/src |
| 01:58.36 | linux2 | you know whats strange. my machine runs noticably hotter with windows on it than it does in linux |
| 01:58.44 | linux2 | and i get way better battery life in linux |
| 01:58.51 | nevyn | yeah.. |
| 01:58.52 | linux2 | 6 hours compared to 3:30 |
| 01:58.54 | nevyn | it's great isn't it. |
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| 01:59.13 | nevyn | linux has it's cpu scaling foo completely together now. |
| 01:59.20 | linux2 | you bet it is. only thing is that sound doesn't work to well atm and the boot time is horrible |
| 01:59.29 | linux2 | nevyn, i have cpu scaling off |
| 01:59.37 | linux2 | and it still runs cooler |
| 01:59.43 | nevyn | sorry.. cpu throttling |
| 01:59.51 | zophyx | does zile do color syntax ? |
| 01:59.52 | linux2 | yeah thats what i meant |
| 01:59.54 | nevyn | scaling is the old thing throttling is the new thing. |
| 02:00.01 | nevyn | linux2: why is it off? |
| 02:00.11 | linux2 | nevyn, no need for it to be on. its plugged in |
| 02:01.21 | amphi | linuxnewbie: what processor? |
| 02:01.38 | linuxnewbie | sorry, I guess im just not getting it, /usr/src is empty, and I don't understand how you can have a path to the kernel |
| 02:01.53 | amphi | linuxnewbie: I assume it means to the source |
| 02:03.39 | linuxnewbie | its says "the path to the source directory for the (complied and built) target kernel |
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| 02:04.00 | linuxnewbie | i386 |
| 02:04.40 | linuxnewbie | I got the 2.6 kernel using apt |
| 02:05.30 | amphi | linuxnewbie: you should install the source package that matches that kernel, I guess |
| 02:06.10 | dvs | linuxnewbie: I don't think a patch will work again the Debian kernel source |
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| 02:06.48 | dvs | *against |
| 02:06.54 | linuxnewbie | I am, but the instructions for installing that package makes reference to the "kernel source" |
| 02:07.02 | sid | What is a good hex editor for Debian? |
| 02:07.10 | amphi | linuxnewbie: it's a kernel patch, or driver source? |
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| 02:07.25 | linuxnewbie | For 2.6 series kernel: |
| 02:07.25 | linuxnewbie | a. run 'cd STA/Module' |
| 02:07.26 | linuxnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.26 | linuxnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.26 | linuxnewbie | b. $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules |
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| 02:07.34 | enouf | sid: in kde KHexEdit |
| 02:07.45 | sid | non-kde hex editor |
| 02:07.45 | sid | heh |
| 02:07.55 | amphi | sid: biew |
| 02:07.57 | kingsley | How does one upgrade from testing to unstable? Edit /etc/apt/sources-list, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | sid: vim has a hex mode i think |
| 02:08.02 | enouf | linuxnewbie: use a pastenbin |
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| 02:08.09 | dvs | kingsley: why do you want to do that? |
| 02:08.10 | sid | k |
| 02:08.12 | sid | thanks |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | kingsley: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 02:08.39 | linuxnewbie | hmmm, tried to send the 3 lines of instructions but got kicked off |
| 02:08.41 | kingsley | dvs: I found a bug in testing. |
| 02:08.56 | enouf | !paster |
| 02:08.56 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 02:09.07 | dvs | kingsley: a bug so severe that you have to go to unstable? |
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| 02:09.30 | linuxnewbie | #flood For 2.6 series kernel: |
| 02:09.30 | linuxnewbie | a. run 'cd STA/Module' |
| 02:09.30 | linuxnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.30 | linuxnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.30 | linuxnewbie | b. $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules |
| 02:09.30 | linuxnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:09.41 | abrotman | should we tell him to stop pasting ? |
| 02:09.45 | dvs | nah |
| 02:09.46 | enouf | abrotman: how'd ya know ? :-) |
| 02:09.57 | abrotman | enouf: that wasn't what i was referring to |
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| 02:10.07 | enouf | abrotman: drats |
| 02:10.15 | kingsley | dvs: Thanks for asking. It is a serious bug, and I've been a little surprised by unstable's reliability on another box. |
| 02:10.32 | sid | !tell linuxnewbie about paste |
| 02:10.40 | linuxnewbie | ok, I don't know what that means.. (and how do I use #flood?) |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | linuxnewbie: ask whoever is helping you to /join #flood with you |
| 02:10.53 | dvs | kingsley: I still would not recommend going to unstable because when it has a problem it can be VERY difficult to get out of |
| 02:10.55 | sid | linuxnewbie: /join #flood |
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| 02:11.21 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 02:11.21 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 02:11.34 | redrain | linuxnewbie: You can use http://pastebin.ca |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | he's gone |
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| 02:12.11 | kingsley | dvs: It's a new install, so it seems to me that the worst that can happen is I'd have to reinstall, which isn't too bad. |
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| 02:12.37 | enouf | abrotman: besides we already told him and I guess doesn't like reading :-( |
| 02:12.47 | moj0rising | I'm thinkning about using the 4.0 release now on some systems for teaching. Any thoughts on whether it would suffice for that?/ |
| 02:13.01 | moj0rising | stability, etc? |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | kingsley: which bug is this? |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | moj0rising: you mean after it is released? |
| 02:13.23 | moj0rising | I'm in a jam becasue this hardware has major problems w/ most linux distros. |
| 02:13.30 | moj0rising | no. in a few weeks. |
| 02:13.40 | dvs | moj0rising: you mean December? |
| 02:13.46 | moj0rising | I'm pretty desperate since I can't find a distro to work w/ the PCs. |
| 02:13.47 | dvs | supposily? |
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| 02:14.26 | linuxnewbie | any ideas on the kernel source thing? |
| 02:14.28 | moj0rising | Right now we're using mepis because that is the only thing I could get working on it but.. |
| 02:14.30 | unix_infidel | Feremi: DO NOT solicit users by PM-ing them. |
| 02:14.39 | kingsley | abrotman: Thanks for asking. A java based web site hangs. It hangs with any of three web browsers, three versions of java (including one that works on another box) kde and gnome, and another OS. |
| 02:14.43 | moj0rising | I'm not really happy with it -- not well suited to what we are doing. |
| 02:14.57 | unix_infidel | did anyone else get a PM from feremi on join about a dell inspiron? |
| 02:15.05 | linuxnewbie | yes |
| 02:15.28 | kingsley | abrotman: The last error message in java's console shows that it tried to establish a network connection to the java based web site. |
| 02:15.38 | moj0rising | I got one from him. |
| 02:15.39 | Master_Medic | how do i remove a user from my computer? |
| 02:15.47 | moj0rising | userdel |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | kingsley: how is that a bug in etch? |
| 02:16.10 | Master_Medic | thx :] |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | moj0rising: you can try to install etch now .. though some things are still going to change |
| 02:16.27 | moj0rising | sure. |
| 02:16.37 | moj0rising | how is stability, etcf. |
| 02:16.39 | moj0rising | ? |
| 02:16.54 | kingsley | abrotman: I don't know where the bug is, but I've excluded web browsers, java, desktops and harware. |
| 02:16.58 | dvs | moj0rising: since the packages are changing, the stability changes |
| 02:17.10 | Master_Medic | how can i see a list of all the uses on my comp? |
| 02:17.11 | Master_Medic | users* |
| 02:17.14 | moj0rising | Right. For the most part does most of it work OK? |
| 02:17.20 | linuxnewbie | noone knows what the "path to the source for the kernel" is? |
| 02:17.31 | moj0rising | It doesn't need to be great, just not a disaster. |
| 02:17.58 | kingsley | abrotman: So it seems to me that changing distributions would be a convenient strategy. |
| 02:18.01 | abrotman | kingsley: so instead of finding the cause .. you're just going to blindly upgrade to sid ? |
| 02:18.18 | itchi | moj0rising: Work very well, it's Debian :-p But considere to setup an apt-proxy on one of your boxes, like you need to do many updates and many packages changes, otherwise you donwload for each computer many stuff |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | moj0rising: i'm using it on my laptop |
| 02:18.34 | kingsley | abrotman: Yes, I expect upgrading would be easier. |
| 02:18.56 | moj0rising | Cool. |
| 02:19.02 | kingsley | abrotman: But I admit that I could be wrong. It's a gamble either way. |
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| 02:19.18 | moj0rising | We won't be doing any updates or anything like that. |
| 02:19.26 | moj0rising | Just something to teach linux on. |
| 02:19.41 | moj0rising | Something I can install stuff from source, etc. |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | kingsley: i'd probably try to find the issue |
| 02:19.49 | dvs | moj0rising: Oh, then it will be very stable. ;-) |
| 02:19.51 | moj0rising | edit files, start services.. |
| 02:19.55 | enouf | linuxnewbie: you said "yes" ...who are you talking to? If you have nothing in /usr/src, you likely don't have a modifiable kernel AFAIK... |
| 02:19.57 | itchi | moj0rising: But what's the realy trouble with the hardware exactly? You not told it i think |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | moj0rising: there could be security issues if you don't do that |
| 02:20.06 | moj0rising | ha. |
| 02:20.32 | itchi | moj0rising: Or maybe, these computers are in an intern lan not connected to the outside world? |
| 02:20.34 | moj0rising | well. It does not need to be very stable or secure. Just for demonstration and learning. |
| 02:20.55 | moj0rising | the PCs are dell optiplex gx280s |
| 02:21.11 | moj0rising | I have tried a few distros.. |
| 02:21.15 | moj0rising | googled some more. |
| 02:21.28 | moj0rising | Lots of people seem to be having problems with it. |
| 02:21.32 | linuxnewbie | enouf: not sure what "yes" you mean, but no there isn't anything in /usr/src. Does that mean I can't install drivers? |
| 02:21.41 | kingsley | abrotman: Do you happen to know how to diagnose why java code hangs? |
| 02:21.54 | moj0rising | The morons in charge of pruchasing PCs, etc did not bother to see if it was compatible with what we run. |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | kingsley: no .. but i bet #java does :) |
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| 02:22.14 | enouf | linuxnewbie: No -- if you want to install drivers, you either compile them into the kernel, or you add them as kernel modules |
| 02:22.14 | dvs | linuxnewbie: that just means that you didn't install the source yet (if it's a Debian kernel) |
| 02:22.19 | gravity | kingsley: Is java code hanging the reason you're moving from etch to sid? |
| 02:22.26 | itchi | moj0rising: and... about the troubles...? If i read almost stuff, people are _never_ enougth happy these days man |
| 02:22.43 | kingsley | gravity: Yes, it's the reason that I may upgrade to sid. |
| 02:22.58 | gravity | kingsley: And you think that'll solve the problem because...? |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | LOGIC! .. owwwwwwwwww |
| 02:23.16 | Vituz | is there a good tutorial for samba/cups online somewhere |
| 02:23.18 | Vituz | for debian |
| 02:23.20 | dvs | abrotman: that does not compute |
| 02:23.38 | moj0rising | Yeah. It's too bad we have to go through this to get things working. |
| 02:23.40 | linuxnewbie | enouf: well, I guess thats the question, Im trying to compile into the kernel, but I don't know the path |
| 02:23.45 | abrotman | Vituz: the docs at samba.org should work |
| 02:23.54 | moj0rising | But it could be fun to get in there w/ the debian dev release. |
| 02:23.58 | Vituz | k |
| 02:24.01 | linuxnewbie | enouf: can you have the kernel installed and not have the source? |
| 02:24.02 | kingsley | gravity: It doesn't hang on my unstable box or knoppix. |
| 02:24.08 | enouf | linuxnewbie: you can't compile without kernel source |
| 02:24.22 | dvs | enouf: that's not the question |
| 02:24.24 | itchi | moj0rising: Man, the first link i founded about google tell about a bit troubles, but tell also how to solve it lol ;-) |
| 02:24.31 | redrain | Vituz: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/300 |
| 02:24.36 | linuxnewbie | I don't get it, Ive compliled lots of other stuff |
| 02:24.38 | moj0rising | Well, thanks guys. I think I have enough to give it a go. |
| 02:24.38 | dvs | linuxnewbie: you can have the kernel image installed without the source |
| 02:24.39 | itchi | That looks english :-p |
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| 02:24.44 | enouf | dvs: well -- ooops, I'm confused then |
| 02:24.48 | gravity | kingsley: Ok |
| 02:24.53 | itchi | moj0rising: With sarge it is ok it looks |
| 02:24.56 | gravity | At least there's some reason |
| 02:25.04 | moj0rising | Yeah. some of the solutions they pose, we can't use because we can't modify the hardware too much. |
| 02:25.12 | itchi | moj0rising: http://biomserv.univ-lyon1.fr/spip_techno/article.php3?id_article=40 |
| 02:25.29 | abrotman | i'd rather find out the source of the problem |
| 02:25.32 | enouf | dvs: a precompiled image ...yes ? |
| 02:25.34 | moj0rising | thanks. I'm looking at that now. |
| 02:25.58 | enouf | dvs: 'generic' for the architecture ...yes? |
| 02:26.00 | linuxnewbie | dvs: ok, so if im understanding this right, I have to get the kernal source, compile the driver into the source, then reinstall the kernel? |
| 02:26.01 | dvs | enouf: yes, you can have the kernel precompiled image installed without the kernel source |
| 02:26.12 | dvs | linuxnewbie: yes |
| 02:26.22 | moj0rising | Cool. Thanks again, everyone! Have a great night. |
| 02:26.30 | linuxnewbie | dvs: I just got the kernel from -apt... I take it that doesn't do it huh? |
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| 02:26.35 | annulus | re |
| 02:26.52 | dvs | linuxnewbie: untar the file in the /usr/src directory |
| 02:27.10 | linuxnewbie | dvs: /usr/src is empty |
| 02:27.29 | dvs | linuxnewbie: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
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| 02:27.41 | annulus | any ops online? |
| 02:28.09 | annulus | Feremi's harassing me with some brand new laptop offer ;) |
| 02:28.26 | dvs | !ops Feremi is /msg ing spam |
| 02:28.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: dvs complains about: Feremi is /msg ing spam |
| 02:28.41 | kingsley | abrotman: No answer on ##java. |
| 02:28.45 | mentor | onjoin? |
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| 02:28.48 | annulus | onjoin |
| 02:28.50 | annulus | i guess |
| 02:28.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:28.54 | dvs | mentor: randomly |
| 02:28.58 | kingsley | abrotman: It was worth a try though. |
| 02:28.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ool-457da443.dyn.optonline.net] by mentor |
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| 02:29.02 | annulus | thanks |
| 02:29.06 | mentor | gone. thanks. |
| 02:29.07 | dvs | annulus: no prob |
| 02:29.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:29.15 | annulus | feels much cleaner |
| 02:29.16 | annulus | ;) |
| 02:29.41 | annulus | :D |
| 02:29.50 | annulus | that was a bad idea |
| 02:30.42 | linuxnewbie | apt: all that did was tell me it couldn't find the package source for the kernel |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel source |
| 02:31.48 | annulus | linuxnewbie why don't you try ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/ ? |
| 02:31.50 | dvs | linuxnewbie: did you install Debian via CDs? |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | why is linuxnewbie compiling the kernel anywayS? |
| 02:32.55 | dvs | abrotman: needs some sort of driver |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | m-a ? |
| 02:33.29 | linuxnewbie | dvs: I orginally did a network install, I just updated the kernel today |
| 02:33.30 | dvs | linuxnewbie: Which driver do you need anyways? |
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| 02:34.09 | linuxnewbie | dvs: driver for RaLink chipset wireless card |
| 02:34.39 | dvs | linuxnewbie: ah, so you really need module assistant. |
| 02:34.43 | dvs | !m-a |
| 02:34.44 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:37.11 | sid | Well a newer kernel might be easier. If he just gets a deb |
| 02:37.29 | sid | Like 2.6.17 has some wireless stuff builtin iirc |
| 02:37.29 | linuxnewbie | dvs: ok, got the module assistant, where does that put me? |
| 02:37.38 | dvs | sid: but is the Ralink card in the newer kernel? |
| 02:37.44 | sid | no idea |
| 02:37.52 | sid | I think broadcom stuff is, and others |
| 02:38.09 | dvs | linuxnewbie: /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/Debian.README |
| 02:38.13 | sid | I've never heard of RaLink chipset |
| 02:38.36 | linuxnewbie | I don't think so, like I said, I got a new kernel today and It still cant do anything with the wireless card |
| 02:38.39 | dvs | sid: I know that Ralink is totally into open source |
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| 02:39.16 | abrotman | m-a a-i rt#### |
| 02:39.50 | enouf | dvs: conceerning kernel source code - what does this mean? $ apt-cache search kernel-source* yields this http://channels.debian.net/paste/3370 - can you have a quick look please? |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | try linux-source |
| 02:40.26 | enouf | dvs: Oh, I'm on Sid using vanilla 2.6.16-2-686 kernel image |
| 02:40.57 | enouf | abrotman: I think (thought) did ...hmmm |
| 02:41.22 | dvs | enouf: it says "kernel-source" not "linux-source" |
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| 02:41.30 | enouf | abrotman: ahhh ^__^ ... much nicer - thanks |
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| 02:42.02 | enouf | dvs: :-( |
| 02:43.41 | liable | -__0 |
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| 02:44.05 | linuxnewbie | dvs: there is no such readme file |
| 02:44.26 | dvs | linuxnewbie: README.Debian Sorry |
| 02:45.10 | dvs | linuxnewbie: but abrotman put it correctly: m-a a-i rt#### where rt#### is the name of the Ralink module |
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| 02:45.19 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | oh .. yay! |
| 02:45.33 | dvs | better than ponies |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | ok .. so i use lastfm to play blues .. old blues .. for some fucking reason .. today it's been playing rap and now .. it just played britney spears |
| 02:46.03 | enouf | abrotman: ouch! |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | i went from blind willie mctell to britney spears .. yay? |
| 02:46.20 | liable | haha |
| 02:46.44 | liable | doesnt britney give you the blues? |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | blue balls is about the closest she'll get to the blues |
| 02:48.08 | linuxnewbie | dvs: sorry, that file doesn't exist either, and I don't think I have a module |
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| 02:48.21 | jbrimble | whats the command to delete? |
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| 02:48.41 | amphi | jbrimble: rm |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | jbrimble: delete what? |
| 02:48.46 | redrain | jbrimble: rm ? |
| 02:48.48 | jbrimble | thanks amphi |
| 02:48.50 | linuxnewbie | dvs: I have a file that has instructions for installation that ask me to use a "path to the kernel source" in the make command |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | !tell jbrimble about grounding |
| 02:49.15 | dvs | linuxnewbie: I wouldn't use that |
| 02:49.41 | x|e | any reason i keep getting these dbus errors when i try to do certian things? Couldn't connect to session bus : Unable to determine the address of the message bus (try 'man dbus-launch' and 'man dbus-daemon' for help) |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | m-a! |
| 02:50.17 | linuxnewbie | dvs: LOL its the only thing Ive been able to find that gives me hope for making the card work |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | x|e: do you have 'use-session-dbus' in your /etc/X11/Xserver.options |
| 02:50.29 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | Xsession.options |
| 02:51.23 | x|e | yeap |
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| 02:52.27 | grigora | hi, could someone tell me how to bind Alt-x to M-x in Emacs, I have to work on this machine that uses Esc-x for M-x and having used Alt-x for years, I'd rather change that than try to change old habits. I think I need something in my .emacs file, but I can't remember what exactly. Thanks |
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| 02:54.08 | linuxnewbie | so, ive been trying to figure out what the path to the source of my kernel is *shrug* |
| 02:54.14 | x|e | abrotman, Xgl xserver use the same options file? |
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| 02:54.23 | abrotman | nfc .. xgl isn't in debian |
| 02:54.37 | x|e | mmm yea i compiled it |
| 02:54.40 | x|e | :/ |
| 02:54.51 | dvs | linuxnewbie: Ok, let's do it your way. Is there a .tar.gz in the /usr/src directory? |
| 02:54.59 | annulus | linuxnewbie why dont you download kernel sources from kernel.org ? |
| 02:55.20 | x|e | mmk thanks abrotman, i will play around with it |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | annulus: because he should be using m-a |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | you know . .the easy way :) |
| 02:56.03 | annulus | ah |
| 02:56.07 | annulus | i've never used m-a |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 02:56.19 | linuxnewbie | dvs: well, when I started this excursion, there was nothing in /usr/src, now there are 3 folders |
| 02:56.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 02:56.37 | dvs | linuxnewbie: which are...? |
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| 02:56.53 | Vegar | what are the default permissions for /home on a debian system? |
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| 02:56.57 | annulus | yeah, i've already seen this desc. tomorrow ;) |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:57.33 | njkt | Vegar, mine says root... so i'm guessing root :-) |
| 02:57.33 | linuxnewbie | dvs: kernel-headers2.6.8-3 |
| 02:58.12 | linuxnewbie | dvs: kernel-headers2.6.8-3-386 |
| 02:58.22 | Vegar | njkt.. |
| 02:58.39 | annulus | njkt :)) |
| 02:58.40 | Vegar | njkt: ls -l / |grep home |
| 02:58.44 | linuxnewbie | dvs: and kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 |
| 02:59.13 | dvs | linuxnewbie: is there a .tar.gz file? |
| 02:59.26 | linuxnewbie | if there is an easier way to install the drivers Im all for it, but I have never used this modual assistant and I don't know how to get a module for the drivers I need |
| 02:59.33 | njkt | *doh* |
| 02:59.40 | linuxnewbie | dvs: nope, just the three folders |
| 02:59.46 | annulus | Vegar drwxr-sr-x 35 root root 4096 Jul 31 15:34 home |
| 02:59.49 | dvs | linuxnewbie: it will create a module for you for the source code you have |
| 03:00.13 | Vegar | annulus: interesting, I have write permissions for the staff group |
| 03:00.16 | njkt | Vegar, oops.. blond moment for me |
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| 03:01.18 | annulus | Vegar it's an old system |
| 03:01.32 | Vegar | yeah, it is |
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| 03:01.41 | linuxnewbie | dvs: by source code do you mean from the driver I downloaded? |
| 03:01.55 | Vegar | annulus: is the staff group obsolete? |
| 03:01.57 | liable | linuxnewbie: what exactly did you install? |
| 03:02.08 | annulus | permission to /home can be changed after this release |
| 03:02.50 | linuxnewbie | liable: so far, just the 2.6 kernel and module-assistant, but I have no idea how to use module-assistant or exacly how it relates to the driver I want to install |
| 03:03.00 | annulus | Vegar i've never met with the group staff :) |
| 03:03.04 | liable | linuxnewbie: where did you get the driver from? |
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| 03:03.18 | Vegar | annulus: is my system _that_ old? |
| 03:03.27 | Vegar | hmm.. maybe it is. |
| 03:03.38 | annulus | no, i've got staff too |
| 03:03.50 | Vegar | I may have installed it off a potato CD |
| 03:03.54 | linuxnewbie | liable: www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm |
| 03:04.00 | annulus | Vegar staff:x:50: |
| 03:04.08 | Vegar | no, woody pre-release |
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| 03:04.36 | liable | linuxnewbie: what model card is it? |
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| 03:05.56 | linuxnewbie | liable: intellinet 802.11g pci |
| 03:06.54 | dvs | liable: a Ralink chipset |
| 03:06.58 | linuxnewbie | uses RaLink 2561 st chipset |
| 03:08.06 | liable | non of the debian supplied packages support it? |
| 03:08.17 | Thanatermesis | gravity i have found it! xclip :) |
| 03:08.49 | linuxnewbie | liable: not as far as I can tell, lspci says its there but not recognized, and nothing else sees it |
| 03:09.36 | liable | linuxnewbie: update-pciids (type that caommand into a shell) |
| 03:09.40 | gravity | Thanatermesis: :-) |
| 03:10.21 | liable | linuxnewbie: then do lspci again |
| 03:11.59 | linuxnewbie | liable: ok, this looks promising, lspci now recognizes it and shows the whole info on it |
| 03:12.19 | liable | linuxnewbie: and what chipset does it say? |
| 03:13.41 | linuxnewbie | liable: it says "Network controler: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
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| 03:14.44 | bin33 | linuxnewbie, that's not the pcmcia card, is it? |
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| 03:15.20 | linuxnewbie | bin: dont think so, its a desktop |
| 03:16.16 | bin33 | linuxnewbie, where are you getting the info on the chipset, reading off the chips on the card, or from the docs, because the pcmcia card is using an atheros chipset, the manufacturers usually don't mix suppliers |
| 03:16.30 | bin33 | Atheros AR5005GS |
| 03:16.43 | liable | linuxnewbie: ok, looks like that not one of the ones supported in the debian repos. if you have downloaded the driver, then just untar it, cd into it and type make |
| 03:17.11 | liable | bin33: he got the info from lspci |
| 03:17.25 | linuxnewbie | bin: (its on the chip on the card too) |
| 03:17.32 | bin33 | ok, missed that, continue, don't want to step on toes here. |
| 03:18.10 | linuxnewbie | liable: I downloaded the driver, but the instructions have me use make on the "source directory for the kernel" |
| 03:18.38 | linuxnewbie | liable: which I don't understand and what I was asking about originaly, heh. |
| 03:18.41 | liable | linuxnewbie: no, have you got the headers for your kernel? |
| 03:19.51 | linuxnewbie | liable: well, I didn't know, but after dvs had me do some stuff with modual assistant, I now have 2 folders in usr/src |
| 03:19.54 | enouf | linuxnewbie: yeah - but without liable's update-pciids suggestion, you'd be dead in the water (or so I think) - so there *is* a method to this madness :-) |
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| 03:20.34 | liable | linuxnewbie: what version of debian? |
| 03:21.38 | linuxnewbie | liable: umm, not exacty sure, I installed it about a year ago |
| 03:21.56 | liable | linuxnewbie: what doe uname -r give? |
| 03:22.21 | k-man | what is the maximum size file one can burn to a DVD? |
| 03:22.27 | k-man | a single layer dvd that is |
| 03:22.46 | Dewi | just over 4gb |
| 03:22.54 | liable | 4.7G innit? |
| 03:22.57 | linuxnewbie | liable:2.6.8-3-386 |
| 03:23.01 | liable | or 4.3? |
| 03:23.11 | enouf | linuxnewbie: and 'cat /etc/debian_version' , but I'm told this entry *may* be user specific or somesuch |
| 03:23.15 | Dewi | 4.7gb assumes the use of the less redundant video filesystem |
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| 03:23.24 | waiting | k-man: depends |
| 03:23.24 | Dewi | with iso9660 and similar it's only 4.3 or 4.2 |
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| 03:23.42 | liable | linuxnewbie: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 03:24.08 | linuxnewbie | enouf: 3.1 |
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| 03:24.14 | enouf | linuxnewbie: seems like 'sarge' so far |
| 03:24.38 | umar | #gnome-love |
| 03:25.20 | umar | when i can expect debian GUI Installer |
| 03:25.33 | tonsofpcs | umar: no. |
| 03:26.05 | linuxnewbie | liable: says "couldn't find package kernel-headersapt-get |
| 03:26.19 | hardbop200 | unmar: does curses <> gui? |
| 03:26.34 | liable | linuxnewbie: paste what you typed into #flood |
| 03:26.42 | liable | and the output |
| 03:27.33 | enouf | joins #flood to follow along (purely for educational purposes :-)) |
| 03:28.46 | enouf | linuxnewbie: um...replace uname -r with 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 03:29.02 | liable | enouf: he has the headers already |
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| 03:31.47 | linuxnewbie | ok |
| 03:31.58 | enouf | oh shit -- just realized the $ in your command, so I guess not necessary to enter exact kernel version -- crawls back under rock for atleast linuxnewbie's issues ;-/ |
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| 03:32.46 | liable | linuxnewbie: paste the ouput of the ls to #flood |
| 03:33.19 | babyhusband | anyone gotten wireless 802.1 ethernet cards by broadcom to work with Ubuntu 6? |
| 03:33.45 | zinx | nope |
| 03:33.50 | liable | linuxnewbie: ok, you need to untar the driver package you got, and cd into it. |
| 03:33.53 | bush | babyhusband: what channel are you in? |
| 03:33.58 | zinx | but i've heard of a few people getting 802.11 a/b/g cards working |
| 03:34.00 | babyhusband | yeah me either. |
| 03:34.06 | zinx | you'll want to try #ubuntu |
| 03:34.07 | babyhusband | I am in #debian |
| 03:34.11 | babyhusband | Okay thanks. |
| 03:34.14 | bush | yes, try #ubuntu |
| 03:34.19 | linuxnewbie | liable: ok |
| 03:35.06 | cafuego | babyhusband: Yes |
| 03:35.20 | cafuego | babyhusband: But only a 4306 |
| 03:35.36 | linuxnewbie | liable: thats done |
| 03:35.43 | liable | linuxnewbie: type 'make' |
| 03:36.21 | babyhusband | cafuego that is what I have, 4306. |
| 03:36.41 | cafuego | babyhusband: Do you have any other network connectivity? |
| 03:37.14 | babyhusband | Yes with a cable, but I can't pick up the wireless at all in linux, only with windows. |
| 03:37.53 | babyhusband | I read a file online that said I had the driver but not the sofware installed to run the wireless, and that I am somehow supposed to use the driver from windows? |
| 03:38.48 | k-man | typicaly, would ftp be faster than smb? |
| 03:38.49 | zinx | babyhusband: you'll want to try #ubuntu... |
| 03:38.52 | cafuego | babyhusband: Correct. You need to 'apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter' |
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| 03:39.02 | liable | linuxnewbie: any errors? |
| 03:39.07 | linuxnewbie | liable: ok, did that |
| 03:39.15 | cafuego | babyhusband: And then run '/usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh' |
| 03:39.16 | linuxnewbie | liable: don't think so |
| 03:39.33 | liable | linuxnewbie: make install |
| 03:39.34 | zinx | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter ubuntu |
| 03:39.44 | zinx | cafuego: :P |
| 03:39.53 | linuxnewbie | liable: no rule to make install |
| 03:39.59 | cafuego | Or you could fetch my firmware package off http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/ |
| 03:40.30 | liable | linuxnewbie: ok, then you nedd to read the instructions, or paste them on a pastebot so i can see em |
| 03:41.06 | linuxnewbie | liable: can I post them to #flood? |
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| 03:41.22 | babyhusband | cafuego, thanks a lot. I am not sure what all that meant, (I'm new to linux) but at least I know it's possible, thanks for the link. |
| 03:41.33 | liable | linuxnewbie: sure as long as its not 2000 lines long |
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| 03:41.58 | openo | anyone here knows how to set the fontsize of the menus in openoffice? i have tried #openoffice. hardly a soul there. |
| 03:42.12 | waiting | openo: let's see ... |
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| 03:42.58 | waiting | it's a gtk app, so gtk theming should apply |
| 03:43.17 | openo | waiting: switch2? |
| 03:43.30 | waiting | but if you just want to change it in OOo, theres an option in Extras->Options |
| 03:43.54 | waiting | it's called "user interface scaling" |
| 03:44.02 | openo | waiting: thks, checking up on it. |
| 03:44.41 | ice_1963 | hello |
| 03:45.28 | waiting | openo: I would give you the complete name, but I use the german version so everything is called different ^^ |
| 03:46.12 | waiting | damn, I'm tired %) |
| 03:47.29 | openo | waiting: i m using 2.0. no 'Extras' in the menu. there is 'options' in 'tools', but no means to change the menu font fr there. |
| 03:48.20 | waiting | wtf |
| 03:48.29 | waiting | in oowriter |
| 03:48.36 | waiting | third menu from the right, "Extras" |
| 03:48.42 | waiting | last menu point "Options" |
| 03:48.54 | waiting | in the tree, first node: "OpenOffice.org" |
| 03:49.26 | waiting | in the node, fourth entry "Layout" or whatever |
| 03:49.35 | waiting | there, in the upper left corner |
| 03:49.48 | waiting | a percent value |
| 03:49.52 | waiting | %) |
| 03:49.52 | badgers | ) is probably the smile part of a face. |
| 03:50.28 | waiting | maybe |
| 03:50.38 | waiting | badgers: make me a coffea, please |
| 03:50.39 | badgers | i don't know, waiting |
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| 03:51.42 | waiting | badgers: what you mean, "you don't know", I mean, you're a bot already, aren't you? you are supposed to _help_ humans. now, go ahead, help _me_!!11 |
| 03:51.42 | badgers | waiting: what are you talking about? |
| 03:51.48 | linux_user400354 | is there a gui app for resizing logical volumes? |
| 03:51.49 | waiting | badgers: I don't know |
| 03:51.49 | badgers | waiting: wish i knew |
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| 03:52.19 | waiting | linux_user400354: sure, xterm |
| 03:52.40 | zinx | there is gparted |
| 03:53.51 | linux_user400354 | gparted doesnt work. xterm gives me a command line interface (something that i really can screw my computer up with) |
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| 03:54.16 | zinx | !doesn't work |
| 03:54.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 03:54.26 | openo | waiting: i got it. it is under Tools->Options->View->User Interface->Scaling. I change the value from 100% to 120% and the fontsize is right for me now. Thks a lot. |
| 03:54.40 | waiting | openo: ^^ you're welcome |
| 03:54.44 | enouf | linux_user400354 why not |
| 03:54.52 | zinx | linux: you can screw your computer up resizing the partitions even if you're in a GUI |
| 03:55.01 | zinx | linux: a GUI interface doesn't magically make it safe. |
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| 03:55.34 | zinx | linux: f'n around with your data is always dangerous |
| 03:55.58 | linux_user400354 | dont say f'n. my kids and grandmother could be in here. |
| 03:56.24 | zinx | freakin? |
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| 03:56.42 | zinx | *shrug*, get mad at me when i spell it out ;) |
| 03:57.14 | linux_user400354 | what i mean by doesnt work is i cant resize the physical or logical volume with gparted. its in grey so i cant use that option, and gparted cant even read how full the hard drive is even though it can with the other harddrives that do not use lvm2. |
| 03:57.37 | zinx | then no |
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| 03:57.51 | zinx | there isn't a GUI interface to do what you want - and futhermore, there isn't a commandline interface. |
| 03:58.13 | linux_user400354 | does anyone here have more intelligence than zinx? |
| 03:58.38 | waiting | I didn't like it |
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| 04:00.38 | jetscreamer | ok so when does one 'need' to reboot... jsut when you replace the kernel, or what |
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| 04:00.52 | jetscreamer | libc6? |
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| 04:02.22 | enouf | linux_user400354 : install "lvmcfg-utils" |
| 04:02.44 | philips | I am trying to pair my phone with my laptop and the pairing always fails. Anyone have suggestions on debugging steps, or where to look? |
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| 04:04.20 | simonrvn | well, my first time in akwesasne was nice. quiet, nice-looking rez. |
| 04:04.28 | jetscreamer | the chuck norris fanclub is meeting in #linux |
| 04:04.29 | amphi | philips: you have a pin in /etc/bluetooth/pin ? |
| 04:05.22 | waiting | jetscreamer: you know what be really silly? if chuck norris' real name was "nuck chorris" |
| 04:05.32 | philips | amphi: no, the hcid.conf file seems to have a pin |
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| 04:06.30 | philips | amphi: I just put a key in there, kicked /etc/init.d/bluetooth, and ran rfcomm, but no change :-/ |
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| 04:07.15 | zorton | wine backport to stable? |
| 04:07.17 | ice_1963 | man i'm not sure i like xchat Gnome :( |
| 04:07.31 | philips | amphi: using 1234 key |
| 04:07.42 | amphi | philips: I put a key in /etc/bluetooth/pin and the hex string hcitool scan returned in /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf, and it worked |
| 04:07.58 | amphi | philips: breathtakingly original ;) |
| 04:09.17 | philips | amphi: that is how it should work... |
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| 04:10.45 | amphi | philips: works here (sarge) |
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| 04:13.36 | linux_user400354 | hey ChuckNorris, what are you doing? |
| 04:13.39 | ax7 | yo |
| 04:13.40 | X-Hacker` | sup |
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| 04:17.48 | enouf | linux_user400354 : apt-cache search libparted* |
| 04:18.47 | enouf | linux_user400354 : which reveals more than a couple - I'm on Sid so then I do 'apt-cache show libparted1.7-1' |
| 04:19.28 | enouf | linux_user400354 : and then 'apt-cache show qtparted' which is a GUI |
| 04:20.23 | enouf | linux_user400354 : and I'm no more 'intelligent' than any other here -- that's not why I |
| 04:20.38 | enouf | not why I'm replying |
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| 04:24.49 | enouf | man it's dead in here ...give me a pony dpkg (or atleast a beer) |
| 04:24.54 | enouf | !prize me |
| 04:25.08 | enouf | dang -- I don;t want no stinkin medal |
| 04:25.20 | bvs | !beer enouf |
| 04:25.32 | simonrvn | !prise enouf |
| 04:25.35 | enouf | bvs: ...ahh...much nicer ;-) |
| 04:25.46 | enouf | !smite me |
| 04:25.53 | enouf | :-) |
| 04:26.02 | simonrvn | ok, not too much of that, alright? |
| 04:26.17 | simonrvn | it's fun i know, but can get others annoyed very easily |
| 04:26.18 | enouf | *nods* |
| 04:26.44 | simonrvn | #debian-bots or #botpark is ok |
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| 04:31.17 | enouf | is learning himself and ponders what the recommended 'strategy' would be to compile the kernel [drivers, modules, etc : one, or a few, and then finally the whole home-rolled], yet not end up with all differing versions of source code and kernel header files within /usr/src ...suggestions? |
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| 04:35.59 | simonrvn | !tell enouf about kp |
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| 04:36.53 | simonrvn | that'll help i think |
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| 04:39.50 | enouf | simonrvn: thanks tons --I just know I've read some things (on debian.org, usenet, BTS) about issues with /lib/modules ?? But more to the point, I'd rather not have to recompile each and every time I can finally teach myself how to add 'this-and-that-module-or driver' - I'm afeaid of running into conflicts that I can't resolve on my own -- but I'd like to be adventuresome ;-) |
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| 04:45.08 | simonrvn | well, if the compiler doesn't change you can do that. you don't have to install a new kernel you add a driver |
| 04:45.16 | simonrvn | if you add* |
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| 04:46.03 | simonrvn | i update when i have to, not when i want to. but that's how i operate. 'cause waiting for the build to finish is annoying |
| 04:46.33 | enouf | simonrvn: Okeedokee :-0 ..thanks much - makes sense |
| 04:46.38 | simonrvn | i always get impatient with kernel builds =) (partly because they're so long) |
| 04:46.42 | waiting | simonrvn: so you update when you do _not_ have time for it? :) |
| 04:47.04 | simonrvn | no.. ? |
| 04:47.24 | enouf | simonrvn: well one good thing is I'm already at 2. |
| 04:47.29 | simonrvn | well, i'm not making much sense anyway, i haven't slept in 36 hours |
| 04:47.40 | enouf | 2.6.16-3-686 on Sid |
| 04:47.42 | waiting | is that so |
| 04:47.46 | waiting | :) |
| 04:47.51 | enouf | <smack the Enter key> |
| 04:48.03 | enouf | smacks* |
| 04:48.17 | DisturbedFan3214 | is it possible to search up some1's username and see if they are on irc? |
| 04:48.22 | simonrvn | waiting: duh! your nick... *smacks head* |
| 04:48.33 | waiting | m/ |
| 04:48.34 | simonrvn | waiting: see what i mean? hehehe |
| 04:48.46 | enouf | simonrvn: wow -- go get some shuteye ...please, you're making me s-l-e-e-p-y |
| 04:48.47 | waiting | ^^ |
| 04:49.20 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm going to soon |
| 04:50.11 | waiting | kids, don't try this at home ^^ |
| 04:50.49 | waiting | simonrvn: what did you do within 36h? |
| 04:51.34 | simonrvn | went to a cultural festival to drum and sing |
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| 04:51.42 | waiting | rotfl, on sundays? |
| 04:51.43 | enouf | simonrvn: attaboy....or the other one ;-) -- but actually if you _had_ been asleep already, I'd would've gotten me Kernel info <silently hears the laughter of the gurus upon asking ignorant questions about kernel compiling> :-) |
| 04:51.46 | waiting | it's praytime then |
| 04:51.54 | grendal_prime | man..windows xp installation is 5 gigs? is that right? |
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| 04:52.04 | grendal_prime | i mean with sp2 ?? |
| 04:52.07 | enouf | doh! .. I would've NOT* |
| 04:52.14 | waiting | grendal_prime: not to my knowledge |
| 04:53.13 | simonrvn | i'm having both coffee and a smoke now, too heh heh |
| 04:53.13 | grendal_prime | weird..im trying to copy the ntfs partion with partimage, onto a hidden ext3 partion, and it says it needs 5 gigs...werid. |
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| 04:53.36 | simonrvn | DisturbedFan3214: kinda. you can ask nickserv (/msg nickserv help). also /whois |
| 04:53.40 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 04:53.58 | simonrvn | waiting: yes. that's when the festival took place |
| 04:54.00 | waiting | there are multiple xp versions & one can turn on stuff ... but 5GB? hardly believable to be a netto value |
| 04:54.23 | waiting | simonrvn: so like |
| 04:54.29 | grendal_prime | its just a typical install..this is the reason i hate that os.. |
| 04:54.38 | waiting | simonrvn: where black ppl around? they can drum very prfoundly so I have heard |
| 04:54.46 | waiting | simonrvn: ^^ |
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| 04:55.31 | simonrvn | no, but i had heard some africans were coming. i didn't see any :/. had some middle eastern people and us, and some capoeira folks with their stuff |
| 04:55.41 | grendal_prime | its my sisterinlaws dell laptop,...she manges to fuck it up pretty regularly, so i was just setting up my own little cocktail recovery system. i love that partimage app ...flat out rocks. |
| 04:55.53 | waiting | simonrvn: capoeira is cool : ) |
| 04:55.58 | simonrvn | yeh it is |
| 04:56.22 | enouf | Ok - so I d/l and installed 'listbugs' and also as suggested via bot through simonrvn: "kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and I'm tying to read and absorb all the udev.hal, dbus docs too ;-) ...more reading |
| 04:56.23 | simonrvn | it reminded me of when i was taking karate classes way back when i was a teenager |
| 04:56.35 | enouf | trying* |
| 04:56.46 | waiting | I wish I could trade my ability to write troff without a reference manual against two capoiera moves |
| 04:56.51 | waiting | :) |
| 04:57.19 | grendal_prime | 5 gigs though...some sort of partion table in there too maybe? |
| 04:57.33 | waiting | grendal_prime: well she probably installed lots of stuff |
| 04:57.38 | grendal_prime | frigging 3 gig fat of some sort... |
| 04:57.51 | grendal_prime | no dude..this was a compleate level and rebuild. |
| 04:58.02 | simonrvn | eh, just practice dude. eventually it sinks in. when i started pow-wow drumming again, it took a bit to sink in, but eventually i got up the courage to sing out loud |
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| 04:58.08 | waiting | maybe the antivirus database is 4 GB |
| 04:58.11 | waiting | ;) |
| 04:58.12 | grendal_prime | however, it was "home addition" whatever the hell that means. |
| 04:58.12 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:58.43 | sbk | is there a package already available under debian that I can install to prevent (or mitigate) brute force ssh login attempts? |
| 04:58.52 | simonrvn | yeh, denyhosts |
| 04:58.59 | waiting | sbk: set retry time to 1 hour |
| 04:59.17 | enouf | simonrvn: thanks -- I was at an Indian heritage festival earlier today, but I thought it was American Indian, until I got there, but that's ok...had fun anyways ;-) |
| 04:59.21 | grendal_prime | heheeh good call there.. i dotn think so though..i pretty much just built it from scratch, the funky ass install disk creation partion that dell uses now was hosed. |
| 04:59.36 | simonrvn | i use a combination of things. iptables, tcpwrappers, and deniedusers are some |
| 04:59.47 | grendal_prime | i didnt put anyting |
| 05:00.06 | grendal_prime | unusual on the damn thing...oh well, im not messing with it anymore tonight. |
| 05:00.18 | waiting | sbk: a cool option is to disable password logins completely. did that on the bastion host |
| 05:00.24 | sbk | simonrvn: dosen't iptables (atleast the ones I googled) require the recent module to be compiled in? |
| 05:00.24 | simonrvn | enouf: yeh. always fun to see how other peoples do things :). |
| 05:00.28 | grendal_prime | ya sbk.. |
| 05:00.40 | sbk | waiting: *nod* ok, thanks for the ideas |
| 05:00.44 | grendal_prime | best bet distributed keys and disable password logins |
| 05:00.53 | simonrvn | i can't recall off-hand |
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| 05:00.57 | grendal_prime | just dont loose the frigging keys, |
| 05:00.59 | waiting | exactly. passwords are crap somehow |
| 05:01.08 | waiting | too short ^^ |
| 05:01.44 | grendal_prime | you rebuild a box and loose those and your..well kinda fkd unles y ou can walk up to the box.(which always seems to NOT be the case) |
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| 05:02.04 | waiting | ok a 16 character password has *thinks* some 1024 bit |
| 05:02.17 | waiting | but a 4096 bit RSA is still better |
| 05:02.52 | grendal_prime | ya, try and remember an entire cert |
| 05:02.53 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 05:03.02 | simonrvn | i'm for bed in a few (finally) |
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| 05:03.13 | waiting | adios simonrvn |
| 05:03.22 | simonrvn | see you |
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| 05:05.44 | grendal_prime | grrrr..i cannot find any documentation on dbmirror (as far as how to use it)...i mean nowhere on the entire internet thinggy is there any information on it that i can find. |
| 05:09.55 | enouf | Hi all -- since simonrvn left for the duration (deservedly so), can someone tell me if the info within /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz is *still* relevant (not dated/deprecated) for a 2.6.16-2-686 kernel compile?? Upon viewing, it says ["$Id: README,v 1.64 2003/08/26 01:47:23 srivasta Exp $ "] ...Note the date" |
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| 05:11.16 | SpeedyG | hey guys, i've got a little problem.. my computer won't boot all it shows is LIL, and then it stops. what can I do about it? |
| 05:11.31 | streuner | !lil |
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| 05:13.02 | SpeedyG | !lil |
| 05:13.02 | SpeedyG | ? |
| 05:13.26 | ice_1963 | what is lil? |
| 05:13.50 | SpeedyG | first 3 letters of LILO :P |
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| 05:15.08 | ice_1963 | SpeedyG: ok |
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| 05:20.48 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 05:20.51 | streuner | dpkg, lil is <reply> The second stage boot loader has been started, but it can't load the descriptor table from the map file. This is typically caused by a media failure or by a geometry mismatch. |
| 05:20.51 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 05:21.00 | Master_Medic | how do you expand a bunch of files.r00 files.r01 ... files.rar |
| 05:21.23 | Master_Medic | i did apt-get install unrar-free |
| 05:21.23 | Master_Medic | but unrar files.rar doesnt work |
| 05:21.24 | grendal_prime | ok..it had soemthing to do with a system restore point...thats a fatty..man windows is one fucked up waist of time. |
| 05:21.35 | Master_Medic | it says failed |
| 05:25.40 | Coweater | Master_Medic: unrar-free, and it doesn't work with version 3.x rar files, you have to get the non-free package |
| 05:26.27 | jetscreamer | rar -x |
| 05:26.35 | SpeedyG | streuner: ok, but (how) can I fix it? |
| 05:26.57 | jetscreamer | s/waist/waste/ |
| 05:27.02 | streuner | SpeedyG: did you change something in BIOS? |
| 05:27.07 | SpeedyG | nop |
| 05:27.33 | SpeedyG | system hung itself during e2fsck on a disc |
| 05:27.43 | SpeedyG | (not the OS-containing one) |
| 05:27.47 | streuner | why e2fsck? |
| 05:27.47 | Linux_whore | i am getting this error from make clean. make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. |
| 05:28.06 | SpeedyG | because I keep getting Lost Interrupt messages |
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| 05:28.33 | SpeedyG | and I had to turn off my computer without a proper shutdown |
| 05:28.41 | Master_Medic | how do i get non free package? |
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| 05:30.08 | Master_Medic | i know i have ot edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:30.12 | Master_Medic | but i dont know what to add |
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| 05:31.13 | streuner | seems the HD says "Hasta la vista"... |
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| 05:31.42 | Gokee2_Laptop | How should I end a man page? Sometimes ctr+c works but a lot of times I end up doing ctr+z then killing man..... |
| 05:31.55 | Kevin` | Gokee2_Laptop q |
| 05:32.16 | Gokee2_Laptop | Kevin`, Ah great thanks :) |
| 05:32.18 | streuner | !non-free |
| 05:32.18 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 05:32.20 | Azar | streuner, what about HD? |
| 05:32.29 | waiting | Gokee2_Laptop: the proggram you read the manpage is is actually "less" |
| 05:32.55 | streuner | Azar: SpeedyG |
| 05:32.57 | Azar | I can't hit security.debian.org |
| 05:33.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | waiting, hmm good to know |
| 05:33.06 | Azar | streuner, ah.. |
| 05:33.10 | Master_Medic | there are 3 lines in my sources.list file |
| 05:33.18 | waiting | Gokee2_Laptop: you can change that, too |
| 05:33.21 | Master_Medic | which line do i add contrib non-free to? |
| 05:33.32 | Master_Medic | or should i copy the entry there and make a 4th with non free |
| 05:33.40 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 05:33.57 | Gokee2_Laptop | waiting, less seems to work fine.. I wonder why it does not use more though? |
| 05:34.43 | Azar | nice huge jump on the next stable, I wonder if a three year old amd PC will be ok with it? or I have to jump on a newer one? |
| 05:35.17 | Gokee2_Laptop | Anyone have any advice with du? I am trying to get it do display a grand total plus a total for every file plus a grant total for ever directy in the root of the directry I am in. |
| 05:35.30 | SpeedyG | streuner: then why does it still work in windows? (all the disks |
| 05:35.37 | mandingo | Gokee2_Laptop: eh? |
| 05:35.38 | mandingo | haha |
| 05:36.25 | mandingo | you want total size used, size of every file recursively and then just the directories in the directory that you are in? |
| 05:36.32 | Gokee2_Laptop | I have it doing a grand total and a total for subdirectrys with "du -h --max-depth=1" but I can`t seem to get files as well |
| 05:36.46 | mandingo | because it doesn't do files |
| 05:36.48 | mandingo | use ls |
| 05:36.50 | Thanatermesis | any person knows the exact name of this noising "find/updatedb/run-parts" cron stuff for change their priority ? |
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| 05:37.16 | Pons | guys, I have a remote system running fedora core 2 and my local debian etch system. The remote one doesn't have an X server and mine has, and i'd like to use X forwarding over SSH.. i've done this before with other machines and it was only needed to add X11Forwarding Yes on SSHd config. That is already set, but when I connect to the remote machine through ssh, the remote machine doesn't have a $DISPLAY set |
| 05:37.17 | streuner | SpeedyG: try a rescue system and edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 05:37.17 | Master_Medic | how do i install a .deb file? |
| 05:37.20 | Pons | any advices? |
| 05:37.28 | mandingo | Master_Medic: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 05:37.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | mandingo, yes with "directories in the directory that you are in" being the total of eveything inside it and subdirs |
| 05:37.59 | mandingo | right, but it doesn't list individual file sizes |
| 05:38.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | mandingo, but ls does not to dirs |
| 05:38.06 | DocOC | Gokee2_Laptop: debian uses less by default because it is a GNU tool, whereas more comes to us from BSD |
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| 05:38.21 | Gokee2_Laptop | DocOC, Ah I see |
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| 05:39.10 | DocOC | Gokee2_Laptop: you are coming from a commercial UNIX environment, aren't you? |
| 05:39.16 | Gokee2_Laptop | So I need to write a little script to intgrate "ls" output with "du"`s output? |
| 05:39.24 | Gokee2_Laptop | DocOC, no |
| 05:39.32 | streuner | SpeedyG: what happens when you boot with your rescue-system and run 'lilo -v' ? |
| 05:39.34 | mandingo | Gokee2_Laptop: if you want individual file sizes, yes, do a ls -laR |
| 05:39.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | I used knoppix then came to debian |
| 05:39.40 | DocOC | free/open/net BSD? |
| 05:40.11 | Gokee2_Laptop | DocOC, nope, I want to try one of them sometime though |
| 05:40.36 | Gokee2_Laptop | more has just been here whenever I needed it |
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| 05:41.10 | Gokee2_Laptop | and more sounds better then less :) |
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| 05:42.01 | DocOC | less is more. |
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| 05:42.09 | DocOC | or so they say. |
| 05:42.44 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm |
| 05:44.49 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm du -h --max-depth=1 is only seeming to pick of dirs with a . like .kde and its not giving me things like desktop. Anyone know why? |
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| 05:45.23 | mandingo | hrmmm, it should b |
| 05:45.24 | mandingo | be |
| 05:46.10 | Gokee2_Laptop | Ya.. I thought so... and I thought it was a min ago.... |
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| 05:46.20 | Daemoen | anyone here care to explain why debian is the only distribution that will not accurately poll my slave hard drive accurately? |
| 05:46.37 | Daemoen | its the only distro that tries to read the info from the bios from the looks of it... |
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| 05:46.56 | Gokee2_Laptop | O no it is |
| 05:47.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | its putting it out as 6.7M ./Desktopa |
| 05:47.24 | mandingo | :) |
| 05:48.04 | waiting | Daemoen: what is the procedure that you describe as "polling your slave harddrive" exactly? |
| 05:48.27 | Daemoen | when it scans your devices in the initial install, it determines the size of hdb innaccurately |
| 05:48.29 | waiting | sounds as if it had to do something with IDE |
| 05:48.53 | waiting | well it did it ccurately for most hdbs I tried until today |
| 05:49.11 | Daemoen | my hdb is 200GB, not 33.8GB |
| 05:49.15 | waiting | do you think it's a problem that recently came into existence? |
| 05:49.18 | Daemoen | 33.8GB is what the bios registers |
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| 05:49.58 | Daemoen | but, i have never had a problem bypassing the bios with any other os |
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| 05:50.19 | waiting | that is very disappointing |
| 05:50.37 | waiting | I think we all should change to a different operating system now |
| 05:50.52 | waiting | %) |
| 05:50.52 | badgers | hmm... ) is the smile part of a face. |
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| 05:52.35 | Daemoen | waiting is there any particular reason that you insist upon blaming hardware, making insulting insinuations regarding the ability to reason and analyze symptoms, and make a general asshole of yourself? |
| 05:52.50 | waiting | Daemoen: yes |
| 05:53.23 | Daemoen | ok, just making sure. now that i know you are a typical a1, its all better. |
| 05:53.33 | waiting | Daemoen: good :) |
| 05:54.33 | Coweater | Daemoen: what kernel are you using? |
| 05:54.54 | Daemoen | not even that far yet Coweater |
| 05:55.01 | waiting | wtf |
| 05:55.09 | Coweater | you have to use some kernel, even for the install |
| 05:55.23 | Daemoen | hmmm then whichever kernel comes on the 3.1R2 dvds |
| 05:55.42 | Coweater | a default sarge cd boots 2.4, you can type linux26 to boot the 2.6 kernel when it gives you the first prompt, try that |
| 05:56.12 | Daemoen | will try that now |
| 05:56.32 | waiting | let's hope it helps. we do not want to lose you as a customer |
| 05:56.33 | Gokee2_Laptop | I have a old computer where the bios only things there is a 8 gig drive when its really 30... I had debian on the computer but had to reinstall because of a upgrade that was stoped in the middle leaving dependeces screwed up so bad I could not fix them. Now when I try and install grub gets a geo error (I looked it up its due to being in a place on the hard drive where bios can`t boot from. So I made a /boot part in the first 8 MB then |
| 05:56.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.41 | waiting | Gokee2_Laptop: :OOO |
| 05:56.49 | waiting | I. won't. red. that. |
| 05:57.17 | Gokee2_Laptop | drink your coffee then read it :) |
| 05:57.33 | zenwryly | How can I determine what apt source a given installed package is taken from? |
| 05:58.00 | streuner | man apt-cache |
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| 05:58.11 | Azar | zenwryly: the way you use your apt.sources.list: did it list stable, testing or unstable? |
| 05:58.34 | zenwryly | Azar: It lists all of them |
| 05:58.35 | zenwryly | :) |
| 05:58.41 | zenwryly | Azar: and a bunch of other sources |
| 05:58.42 | Azar | zenwryly: bad |
| 05:58.54 | zenwryly | Azar: I install a mix of packages |
| 05:58.56 | streuner | zenwryly: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 05:59.02 | streuner | haha |
| 05:59.09 | streuner | read this then |
| 05:59.13 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 05:59.13 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 05:59.15 | Azar | :) this sounds strange |
| 05:59.34 | Azar | he wants to have it all in all ways, colors and shapes |
| 05:59.41 | enouf | Gokee2_Laptop: make a '/boot', then a '/' ,then a /swap and that's it |
| 06:00.09 | zenwryly | streuner: that's what I was looking for, thanks |
| 06:00.17 | Azar | zenwryly: when you get tired of that stew, decide on what you want to stay and use backports |
| 06:00.20 | Daemoen | Coweater: no luck with the 2.6 during the detection phase either |
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| 06:01.53 | enouf | streuner: now that beats an abrotman poke in the eye by atleast a million :-p |
| 06:01.53 | Coweater | 33.8 is an odd cutoff, are you sure you haven't set something besides auto in your bios? |
| 06:02.19 | Daemoen | yep, thats what its determining |
| 06:04.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | enouf, I tried that but it had some kernel problem... I will try that again |
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| 06:05.54 | Daemoen | it recognizes the 120, but not the 200GB.. bah |
| 06:06.02 | Azar | uh abrotman took vacation? |
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| 06:07.06 | streuner | not from |
| 06:07.13 | streuner | not from #debian :-) |
| 06:07.51 | Azar | :) I did not meant #debian, just real life vacation I was thinking |
| 06:07.59 | enouf | Gokee2_Laptop: How old is this PC, what's the BIOS date and what CPU ? |
| 06:09.58 | Daemoen | and its running the latest bios... go figure |
| 06:10.12 | enouf | Coweater: it's 32GB (actually 32768) but close enough |
| 06:10.51 | enouf | Daemoen: 127Gb is the next cutoff for 28bitLBA on ATA/IDE...IIRC |
| 06:11.10 | Daemoen | I couldnt remember the cutoff |
| 06:11.18 | enouf | or 132ish dependiong upon how you count :) |
| 06:11.24 | Daemoen | seems wierd that abit doesnt have a more updated bios for this |
| 06:11.47 | Daemoen | just checked the manufacturer site since i bought the board not even 2 months ago |
| 06:11.56 | Gokee2_Laptop | enouf, I am not really sure... its a dell aptiva .. about 133 Mh |
| 06:12.06 | enouf | For these issues see 48bitLBA.com for more info...what Mobo and what year |
| 06:12.11 | Daemoen | but... why is it that most distros are able to bypass the bios on the hd size? |
| 06:12.19 | Daemoen | abit vt7 |
| 06:12.25 | enouf | Gokee2_Laptop: YEa, that's an oldie :-) |
| 06:12.33 | Daemoen | the latest bios is from 2004 from the looks of it |
| 06:12.35 | Gokee2_Laptop | ya |
| 06:12.37 | Gokee2_Laptop | ok |
| 06:13.10 | enouf | Gokee2_Laptop: :"ibm" aptiva i'd think |
| 06:13.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | it has lba though and its only a 30 gig drive |
| 06:13.59 | Gokee2_Laptop | ah your right ibm |
| 06:15.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | also its the orignal drive.... |
| 06:15.10 | jetscreamer | there is 48 and someother |
| 06:15.18 | enouf | Daemoen: Are you using 2.6 kerenel *and* using 80wire IDE cables??? - how's about the drive's jumpers??? remembered to set to Slave? |
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| 06:16.02 | enouf | Gokee2_Laptop: : usually 1.2GB on those :-( |
| 06:16.03 | Daemoen | yes its set to slave, always set my drives manually |
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| 06:16.41 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm |
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| 06:17.25 | enouf | Daemoen: Some like Hitachi are weird with 10-12 pins for all sorts of config settings "including" Size cutoffs at 32GB, 64GB, 132GB, etc |
| 06:17.43 | Daemoen | yeah, seagate is a fussy one as well |
| 06:17.53 | Daemoen | it took me forever to get the system to recognize the drive at all |
| 06:17.57 | liable | yay, ibm are offering bootable images for bioses now, instead of shit windows exe's |
| 06:18.05 | enouf | Gokee2_Laptop: : you did say Origginal ..right ? |
| 06:18.07 | liable | isos |
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| 06:19.10 | enouf | liable: slaphappy after all that flood work ? |
| 06:19.16 | Buchannon | how do I reconfigure exim4 options? |
| 06:19.18 | enouf | ;-) |
| 06:19.39 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:19.40 | liable | enouf: no, all this bios talk made me go and check on mine though. |
| 06:19.45 | jetscreamer | exim4-config i think |
| 06:19.56 | jetscreamer | i don't think you need the reconfigure part |
| 06:20.00 | jetscreamer | but i think it works |
| 06:20.05 | enouf | liable: ahhhh..... |
| 06:20.12 | Buchannon | you do need the config part, thanks! |
| 06:20.23 | jetscreamer | the dpkg-reconfigure i mean |
| 06:20.37 | enouf | jetscreamer: lemmee try |
| 06:22.04 | enouf | jetscreamer: Yup -- it;s needed |
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| 06:26.04 | kottlett | quick question: how to find out from which source(s.list) a package was installed? |
| 06:26.04 | xevious | lunitik: you around? |
| 06:26.20 | enouf | ops: perhaps someone can put the "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" info into the bots' output for "!exim" |
| 06:26.34 | jetscreamer | enouf: i was wrong and meant /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf |
| 06:27.02 | enouf | jetscreamer: ahhh... ok -- either way then ?? |
| 06:27.08 | jetscreamer | ya afaik |
| 06:27.39 | enouf | jetscreamer: gotcha |
| 06:27.45 | Coweater | there's an "exim4 reconfigure" factoid |
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| 06:27.55 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show might tell you kottlett |
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| 06:28.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg exim is also see also exim4 reconfigure factoid |
| 06:28.47 | dpkg | jetscreamer: that's too long |
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| 06:28.50 | jetscreamer | oh well |
| 06:29.06 | xevious | i'm having serious issues with cups. |
| 06:29.10 | enouf | jetscreamer: hehhehe |
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| 06:29.42 | enouf | !exim4 reconfigure |
| 06:29.43 | dpkg | somebody said exim4 reconfigure was dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:29.51 | enouf | ahhh |
| 06:30.22 | xevious | i just determined that for some reason it's changing the permissions of cupsd.conf to 640 which make the web configuration interface not able to access the file cupsd.conf, and switching it to 644 fixes that. however, now it's saying that my printer is offline, when it's definitely sitting there ready to print. prints fine with my friend's windows laptop |
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| 06:31.03 | kottlett | jetscreamer: hm... doesn't look like... :-/ |
| 06:32.56 | enouf | konversation is lagging horribly and f'king up my CPU -- top shows over 75MB!!! of use for it ...ugh!! brb |
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| 06:36.01 | fork | are debians pkg's just as new as ubuntu's? |
| 06:36.08 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:36.46 | fork | sorry am new... trying to figure out what I want to install... and i acutaly want to learn linux |
| 06:36.59 | SpeedyG | is it bad if a disk goes like *tick* *tick* *beep* *beep* *tick* *tick* etc. .... :( :P |
| 06:37.16 | jetscreamer | usually |
| 06:37.26 | jetscreamer | hey i have one like that |
| 06:37.31 | jetscreamer | as a paperweight |
| 06:37.37 | JViz | no, that just means it wants to try to talk to you |
| 06:38.08 | SpeedyG | because if that _is_ a bad thing.. I guess my OS-disk just died :'( |
| 06:38.11 | JViz | it gets bored with holding your data and attempts vocal communication instead |
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| 06:39.39 | jetscreamer | yeh i was wurng... hard to believe i know, but i fuxed it up |
| 06:40.10 | SpeedyG | hmz, and I guess it's my motherboard as well that is dying :/ |
| 06:40.11 | jetscreamer | it seems to create some autogerated config but doesn't ask questions.. the question part is elsewhere i guess |
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| 06:40.31 | SpeedyG | my mouse is now functioning as a very nice reddish spotlight on my desktop.. but has no other functionality :/ |
| 06:41.17 | fork | are debians pkg's just as new as ubuntu's? |
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| 06:43.34 | Flash_ | fork, usually a little behind. ubuntu seems to top the lists atm |
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| 06:46.56 | hjubal | hola |
| 06:47.35 | enouf | yabbadabbadoo ;-P |
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| 06:50.38 | Eclipser | has anyone installed gallery2 from the debian package? it asks for putting the randomly generated characters in /usr/share/gallery2/config.txt and I did but now it says it can't find it |
| 06:50.45 | enouf | !tell hjubal espanol |
| 06:50.58 | enouf | what? |
| 06:51.18 | Eclipser | what what? |
| 06:51.22 | ice_1963 | how do change the color of nick with irssi ..it's white can't see it :) |
| 06:51.49 | Eclipser | ice_1963, use black terminal like everyone else :p |
| 06:52.08 | cahoot | Eclipser: wouldn't that be logon.txt? |
| 06:52.20 | cahoot | Eclipser: err login.txt |
| 06:52.25 | enouf | !espanol |
| 06:52.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:52.48 | enouf | !tell hjubal -about espanol |
| 06:52.50 | Eclipser | cahoot, duh |
| 06:53.04 | Eclipser | cahoot, I shouldn't be doing this just after waking up, eh |
| 06:53.11 | liable | ice_1963: theres some good docs at irssi.org and also links to themes others have made (some very nice ones) |
| 06:54.38 | ice_1963 | ok how can i change to black with gnome terminal? |
| 06:54.46 | enouf | Eclipser: nevermind me -- i was parsing the bots and b/c I'm switching diff bloated irc clients, I couldn't tell if dpkgwas answering me in public or not :-( -- all resolved though ;-] |
| 06:55.48 | ice_1963 | liable: ok i will |
| 06:56.11 | hjubal | eheh |
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| 06:57.03 | hjubal | enouf, i mean.. hello ;) |
| 06:57.08 | enouf | hjubal: hola mi amigo -- tu habla englese ?? |
| 06:57.12 | enouf | :-) |
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| 06:58.33 | liable | yay, mash reruns! |
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| 06:59.24 | ice_1963 | hjubal: eheh<---what is that mean? |
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| 06:59.52 | enouf | liable: torrent ? or... you just got cable tv :-p |
| 07:00.07 | chino[dev] | `remove apache |
| 07:00.11 | chino[dev] | :\ |
| 07:00.27 | ice_1963 | quit |
| 07:00.29 | enouf | chino[dev]: how to ?? |
| 07:00.40 | chino[dev] | yea completely there was a thing form the bot on it |
| 07:00.42 | liable | no, ordinary tv. they reun it pretty much every year or two |
| 07:00.46 | hjubal | ice_1963, I think it's funny the way you use dpkg :) |
| 07:00.52 | chino[dev] | anyone use linux as a dvr ? |
| 07:01.06 | enouf | chino[dev]: apt-get --purge remove apache apache2 |
| 07:01.16 | ferguscan | What's the command that one typically uses to create one directory tree that's a symlink-replica of another tree? |
| 07:01.18 | chino[dev] | hey there is more to it than that there was a walk through teh bot would give me |
| 07:01.35 | chino[dev] | ferguscan: there is no command like that wtf is the point too ? |
| 07:01.49 | enouf | liable: aha -- I miss the honeymooner reruns...they've stopped them now, even on cable |
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| 07:02.15 | enouf | !apache remove |
| 07:02.34 | ferguscan | chino[dev], I've seen used for the purpose of building software. I.e. creating an environment for building without actually polluting the original source tree. I think it was in Xfree86... |
| 07:02.52 | chino[dev] | your talking about creating symlinks to the original directories |
| 07:03.38 | liable | ferguscan: ldd |
| 07:03.48 | enouf | chino[dev]: huh ?? I think dpkg is having a rough day -- even aptitude is in knots - but it's likely just me being spastic |
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| 07:04.00 | ferguscan | chino[dev], nope. New directories, symlinks to the original files. |
| 07:04.05 | itguru | I'm not 100% sure if this request is going to go down nicely with you guys, but I'm going to try it anyway. I'm looking for a boot disk image, that has USB key support. Anyone know where I can download one? |
| 07:04.44 | ferguscan | liable, the shared library dependency analyser? |
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| 07:05.13 | enouf | itguru: #knoppix ;-0 but there's likely Debian too -- check the site debian.org |
| 07:05.15 | liable | ferguscan: thats what you use to link to a dir to make sources in a tempory directory without messing the sources |
| 07:05.21 | itguru | Okay, let me rephrase what I said - I'm looking for a floppy boot image that will fire up a minimal dos environment, with USB key support |
| 07:05.51 | enouf | itguru: same answer but perhaps add umsdos ;-) |
| 07:05.57 | chino[dev] | how do i list all packages in apt-get ? |
| 07:06.24 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: apt-get doesn't really do that. You either want aptitude or apt-cache or dpkg. |
| 07:06.40 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: and listing them all is probably also not useful, as there are around 18 000 of them. |
| 07:06.46 | chino[dev] | all the pacakges from the apt server list |
| 07:06.51 | enouf | chino[dev]: huh? you mean apt-cache show <packagename> but I'm sure I'm misunderstanding your request |
| 07:06.56 | chino[dev] | yea ill grep the output lol |
| 07:07.18 | chino[dev] | so i cant do something like "apt-cache list | grep name" |
| 07:07.30 | RvGaTe | chino[dev], you'll basicly do the same as enouf said... |
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| 07:07.44 | chino[dev] | is there no search option? |
| 07:07.51 | RvGaTe | that IS the search option |
| 07:08.02 | liable | ferguscan: slap me, lndir is what i am thinking of.. |
| 07:08.12 | ferguscan | liable, I just found it too :-) |
| 07:08.14 | enouf | !dstats |
| 07:08.20 | ferguscan | liable, no worries. Thanks for the help. |
| 07:08.21 | chino[dev] | whats the name of hte freenx package ? |
| 07:08.24 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 18762 packages, 1706 maintainers, 43286 MB installed size, 14253 MB compressed size. |
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| 07:09.04 | enouf | chino[dev]: apt-cache search <package> (or close) |
| 07:09.18 | enouf | chino[dev]: use wildcards like * |
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| 07:10.17 | enouf | chino[dev]: Ex: apt-cache search free* |
| 07:10.29 | chino[dev] | dude |
| 07:10.46 | SpeedyG | wtf :/ all of the sudden all my disks are recognised, my system boots like nothing ever happened :/ |
| 07:10.56 | SpeedyG | crappy piece of junk |
| 07:11.52 | enouf | chino[dev]: too many 'apt-cache search free* | less' |
| 07:12.01 | chino[dev] | dude |
| 07:12.06 | chino[dev] | chill out with the unix 101 |
| 07:12.25 | chino[dev] | i can handle my own cli i just want to know how i can get the binary |
| 07:12.32 | chino[dev] | its obviously not in the list |
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| 07:14.28 | cahoot | chino[dev]: can't seem to find any pkg containing the term freenx on p.d.o either |
| 07:14.34 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: that's because freenx hasn't been uploaded to Debian. You can find it by searching google. |
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| 07:17.58 | chino[dev] | how do i setup the main sources ? |
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| 07:18.57 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: eh? |
| 07:20.29 | enouf | chino[dev]: $ apt-get source <packagename> ?? |
| 07:20.53 | chino[dev] | what do you guys call hte servers that apt-get uses to download from |
| 07:21.06 | enouf | chino[dev]: Repositories |
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| 07:21.26 | sep | dondelelcaro, do you use freenx ? i'v found that the latest 2.0 client from nomachine (for windows) seams not to work with my freenx anylonger. |
| 07:21.27 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: and the file that sets them up is called sources.list |
| 07:21.31 | dondelelcaro | sep: no |
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| 07:22.32 | chino[dev] | sep: do you clients die talking about session files not existing ? |
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| 07:22.57 | chino[dev] | how do i setup some repositories and what are ones debian people use ? |
| 07:22.58 | Linux_whore | i need libsdl but theres a problem. which one do i choose? i have many. ubuntu@ubuntu:/usr/src/modules/spca5xx$ apt-cache search libsdl | wc -l 35 |
| 07:23.22 | RvGaTe | chino[dev], i use primarily the default ones... |
| 07:23.41 | liable | Linux_whore: if you are using ubuntu, you need to /j #ubuntu |
| 07:23.53 | chino[dev] | well how do i tell apt-get to go ahead and install dependencies |
| 07:23.57 | RvGaTe | chino[dev], and you cans et them up by editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:24.03 | liable | !reference |
| 07:24.03 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 07:24.09 | liable | chino[dev]: ^^^ read it |
| 07:24.10 | RvGaTe | chino[dev], it will automaticly do so when you install a package |
| 07:24.27 | Linux_whore | chino[dev]: apt-get install -y --force-yes packagename |
| 07:24.27 | chino[dev] | thanks |
| 07:24.27 | liable | chino[dev]: its a very good intro to debian |
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| 07:25.15 | chino[dev] | yea but none of the nx libraries exist in the default repo |
| 07:25.47 | chino[dev] | i gotta sleep |
| 07:25.48 | chino[dev] | later |
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| 07:28.28 | Guerin | the minimal sarge+x clients install is roughly ...? |
| 07:28.33 | Guerin | 500MB? |
| 07:28.42 | Guerin | less? |
| 07:28.50 | Guerin | i think it's less, but I cannae remember |
| 07:28.58 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it's less... but not a whole lot less. |
| 07:29.06 | Guerin | that's cool |
| 07:29.08 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you can probably sqeak by in 300M or so |
| 07:29.10 | Guerin | as long as it's any less |
| 07:29.41 | Guerin | i have a 486 dx2-66 with a 541MB drive, 36MB ram and no pci which I'm going to use as an x cllient |
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| 07:29.49 | Guerin | if it'll be tolerable |
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| 07:30.15 | pinky | What's the easiest way to fine out *why* a particular package is in contrib? |
| 07:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: oh... you almost definetly want xfree86 3 then |
| 07:30.26 | Guerin | that bad |
| 07:30.27 | dondelelcaro | pinky: look at the dependencies and where they are |
| 07:30.31 | pinky | As in, what excatly does package x depend on to make it be in contrib? |
| 07:30.35 | pinky | Ahh, makes sense |
| 07:30.35 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hram, or cpu? |
| 07:30.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: cpu |
| 07:30.43 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:30.51 | Guerin | would dx4-100 be much more usable? |
| 07:30.57 | Guerin | i mean |
| 07:30.58 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:31.09 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, much faster, dunno about usable |
| 07:31.11 | Guerin | ok, I can switch the chips and it should still work |
| 07:31.15 | Guerin | i have a 486 farm here |
| 07:31.17 | JJ|Laptop | night |
| 07:31.29 | dondelelcaro | it's been ages since I've used a 486 for any appreciable length of time... |
| 07:31.46 | Guerin | well, I guess I'll just have to see |
| 07:31.48 | Guerin | fun stuff |
| 07:31.59 | dondelelcaro | indeed, they typically burn way more $$ in power in a year than their worth |
| 07:32.01 | Guerin | first job is getting this modem working on the openbsd box, though |
| 07:32.03 | dondelelcaro | s/their/they're/ |
| 07:32.13 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:32.20 | Guerin | well, I just have two orphaned 486en |
| 07:32.28 | pinky | dondelelcaro: Uhm, it appears every package it depends on is in main... |
| 07:32.31 | Guerin | one for a router, the other I'll try to use for an x client |
| 07:32.36 | dondelelcaro | pinky: which package are we talking about here? |
| 07:32.39 | pinky | stella |
| 07:32.55 | pinky | It's an Atari 2600 emulator, a new package in Etch as of today I believe. |
| 07:33.07 | dondelelcaro | pinky: oh, it's an emulator, which requires a cart to be of any use |
| 07:33.15 | pinky | Haha |
| 07:33.19 | pinky | That's not true |
| 07:33.28 | pinky | You can make your own ROMs |
| 07:33.37 | pinky | That shouldn't be in contrib =[ |
| 07:33.38 | dondelelcaro | pinky: hence, a cart. |
| 07:33.50 | pinky | Then why is ZSNES in main? |
| 07:33.53 | dondelelcaro | pinky: if you make a rom, license it freely, and distribute it, it can go into main. |
| 07:33.59 | dondelelcaro | pinky: there are free zsnes carts around |
| 07:34.00 | SpeedyG | how can I check a disk (with what command) if it gives errors? |
| 07:34.17 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: fsck |
| 07:34.40 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you're talking about filesystem errors; other types of errors... you replace the drive.) |
| 07:34.42 | pinky | That doesn't quite make sense to me. The emulator by itself is free software, the packages it depend on are too. You can tinker around with an emulator without using copyrighted ROMs. |
| 07:34.59 | streuner_ | SpeedyG: if the HD support SMART, use smartmontools too |
| 07:35.07 | dondelelcaro | pinky: if the emulator is useful without the ROMs, then it can go into main. If it isn't, it goes into contrib. |
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| 07:35.22 | dondelelcaro | pinky: most emulators are not (generally in the opinion of the maintainer) so they go into contrib. |
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| 07:35.35 | pinky | Just because the Debian devs themselves haven't been approached by someone who has a freely-licensed Atari 2600 ROM, doesn't mean one doesn't exist. |
| 07:36.00 | dondelelcaro | pinky: sure, but until one exists and ideally is distributed in Debian, it being in contrib is a reasonable thing. |
| 07:36.08 | dondelelcaro | pinky: plus, it's not like contrib is a bad place to be |
| 07:36.27 | pinky | That's sort of crossing the line IMO |
| 07:36.31 | dondelelcaro | everything in contrib by definition is free software. It just requires things that either are not free software, or are not distributed in Debian to be of any use. |
| 07:36.58 | pinky | Like, Azureus for example, that I can understand, it DEPENDS on Sun's Java VM to work (ignore other VMs for a sec), therefore it's in contrib. |
| 07:37.07 | pinky | stella doesn't depend on ANYTHING non-free to work. |
| 07:37.20 | dondelelcaro | pinky: it depends upon something that isn't distributed in Debian. |
| 07:37.39 | pinky | Ah, I guess I didn't know that was another factor on a package being in contrib |
| 07:37.56 | pinky | I thought contrib was just for packages that specifically depended on non-free software, but were free themselves. |
| 07:38.05 | dondelelcaro | nope; it's a two factor thing |
| 07:38.17 | pinky | I guess that makes more sense... |
| 07:38.31 | pinky | "Contrib |
| 07:38.32 | pinky | Packages in this area are freely licensed by the copyright holder but depend on other software that is not free." |
| 07:38.39 | dondelelcaro | the shortest way to define it is "Free Software with a dependency relationship on things that aren't in Debian" |
| 07:38.41 | pinky | Someone outta change that, then. It's from debian.org |
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| 07:38.59 | dondelelcaro | could be; there are lots of places where contrib is badly defined |
| 07:39.17 | enouf | dondelelcaro: is that what you call (mean) Official Debian (release) ?? just curious |
| 07:39.19 | pinky | By that slim definition, I personally contest stella being in contrib. |
| 07:39.35 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; argue witih the maintainer and/or ftpmaster then. |
| 07:39.46 | pinky | But if what you are saying is generally accepted wrt contrib (and I do believe you) then I see why it's there. |
| 07:40.01 | pinky | I'm just saying maybe it should be made more clear... =P |
| 07:40.14 | dondelelcaro | pinky: file a bug against www.debian.org so it gets corrected |
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| 07:40.30 | pinky | A bug... against the website? |
| 07:40.34 | dondelelcaro | pinky: yes. |
| 07:40.35 | pinky | I've... never tried that before? |
| 07:40.48 | pinky | Where would I go to do that? |
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| 07:40.55 | dondelelcaro | pinky: run reportbug |
| 07:41.04 | dondelelcaro | (install it if you don't already have it) |
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| 07:41.24 | dondelelcaro | enouf: you mean main? |
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| 07:42.42 | enouf | dondelelcaro: IOW -- I'm just trying to clarify what is meant by an "Official Debian Release" -- does that include contrib and non-free as well? |
| 07:43.02 | pinky | Wow this is cool. |
| 07:43.15 | dondelelcaro | enouf: the official release really only includes main |
| 07:43.39 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ahhhh yes ....That's what I thought - thanks |
| 07:43.53 | dondelelcaro | enouf: but contrib and non-free get branched at the same time, they're usually just not on the official cds and stuff |
| 07:44.56 | enouf | dondelelcaro: I was going to suggest reportbug, but didn't think it would be applicable to a webmaster(?) or the maintainers, but I guess so, since I suppose the webmaster just does what the maintainers/owners tell him to do ;-) |
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| 07:45.25 | pinky | dondelelcaro: Should I really wade through all existing 244 bugs filed against debian.org to see if someone has mentioned this yet? |
| 07:45.52 | enouf | dondelelcaro: oh? -- I see, you they're "available" from the repos art the same time, just not in the /pool Dirs on the Official CDs ?? |
| 07:46.07 | enouf | disregard you* |
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| 07:46.26 | bintut | anyone here familiar with setting up a partial mirror apt repository? i'm about to add packages but i always got a "Binary dir binary not found" STDOUT |
| 07:47.28 | Guerin | yay |
| 07:47.37 | enouf | dondelelcaro: don't worry about me - it's not that important at the moment... I'll figure it out, or hear others talk about it - or I'll read it... |
| 07:47.38 | Guerin | the 66 just let its smoke out |
| 07:48.03 | liable | hehe |
| 07:48.05 | enouf | Guerin: care for a puff? |
| 07:48.09 | enouf | ;-) |
| 07:48.12 | Guerin | nah, just had one |
| 07:48.17 | Guerin | fuck |
| 07:48.25 | Guerin | that was the motherboard with pci slots in |
| 07:48.36 | dondelelcaro | enouf: right |
| 07:48.38 | enouf | Guerin: hope it didn't pull down the mobo on ya |
| 07:48.43 | Guerin | uh |
| 07:48.50 | Guerin | there's some melties on the cpu mount |
| 07:48.54 | enouf | dondelelcaro: thanks for that |
| 07:49.00 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: gah |
| 07:49.24 | Guerin | fuck |
| 07:49.53 | Guerin | so now i'm in the spot of having a dx4-100 with no pci slots, and I'm supposed to use it as a router |
| 07:50.10 | enouf | Guerin: oh boy... blasted dang nabbits... correct voltages in the BIOS and/or the jumper dip switches? |
| 07:50.32 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ISA ethernet cards here you come? |
| 07:50.46 | liable | Guerin: spend some of that money you earnt overseas and buy a decent fucking box .. tight ass! :P |
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| 07:51.05 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i want it to be a wireless router one day |
| 07:51.16 | Guerin | liable: hah. I spent all my dinero on travel |
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| 07:51.36 | Guerin | and havin to buy last-minute tix home to hospital |
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| 07:53.40 | liable | sell the wife! :) |
| 07:54.10 | Guerin | it's easier to rent her out for $40k per year |
| 07:54.21 | Guerin | i still get to have her outside the hours of 9-5 that way |
| 07:54.50 | liable | ah yes, then you only have to make lunch. |
| 07:56.29 | pinky | Okay, so in reportbug I finished writing my bug description in nano, what do I do to save and continue the filing> |
| 07:57.04 | liable | save in nano and it goes back to reportbug |
| 07:57.22 | pinky | How do I do that? |
| 07:57.26 | pinky | I'm a vi user |
| 07:57.36 | pinky | Shit-ZZ didn't work =P |
| 07:57.46 | pinky | *Shift |
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| 07:58.00 | liable | pinky: no idea, doesnt it have clues at the bottom? |
| 07:58.11 | pinky | Well, nothing that says save |
| 07:58.14 | pinky | WriteOut? |
| 07:58.14 | liable | pinky: when you finish, set vi as $editor |
| 07:58.18 | pinky | Is that what I want? |
| 07:58.22 | pinky | Ohh, okay liable, thanks |
| 07:58.47 | pinky | There are clues at the bottom, the one that looks most promising is WriteOut |
| 07:58.56 | pinky | But I'm not sure if that saves and exits or what |
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| 07:59.13 | liable | man nano? |
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| 08:00.36 | pinky | Doesn't say... |
| 08:00.46 | pinky | It just has command line switches, really. |
| 08:00.56 | pinky | Not helpful, as it's already loaded |
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| 08:02.53 | liable | ctrl G |
| 08:03.27 | pinky | Now I *should* be writing this to disk? |
| 08:03.36 | pinky | It wants to save a long filename in /tmp/ |
| 08:04.21 | pinky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.43 | pinky | Is that the proper thing to do when using reportbug? |
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| 08:05.09 | pinky | Sorry, I'll RTFM after this, I'm just in the middle of it and I want to send it in. |
| 08:05.27 | bintut | any apt repository guru here? :) |
| 08:07.01 | dondelelcaro | bintut: just ask |
| 08:07.36 | dondelelcaro | pinky: it's ^O to write out, ^X to exit, iirc. |
| 08:07.56 | dondelelcaro | pinky: and since you're a vi user, you should set EDITOR appropriately so sensible-editor does the right thing |
| 08:07.59 | pinky | dondelelcaro: During the bug filing process, though, do I want to ^O? |
| 08:08.13 | enouf | pinky: in nano yes WriteOut |
| 08:08.13 | pinky | Yeah, I got that tip from liable =] |
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| 08:08.27 | dondelelcaro | pinky: write out, then exit... |
| 08:08.47 | pinky | Well you were correct |
| 08:09.11 | enouf | pinky: in nano yes WriteOut then Enter (to save an already existing file) to the Same name -- the ^X |
| 08:09.21 | dondelelcaro | pinky: you probably also want to update-alternatives --config editor; as root. |
| 08:09.26 | bintut | i'm currently working on a server that has been setup by a local debian guru and he setup a partial apt repository.. now, i want to add packages on it and i manually added the lshw related packages to /debian/pool/main/h and l and when i run a dpkg-scanpackages binary /dev/null | gzip -9c > /debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz , i got a STDIN of "Binary dir binary not found". |
| 08:10.16 | bintut | anyone? |
| 08:10.24 | enouf | pinky: I use nano ever since I heard about it and 'pico' those funky ':q!' that vi uses makes me shiver -- but I'm a lunatic ;-) |
| 08:11.09 | dondelelcaro | bintut: you want dpkg-scanpackages /debian/pool/main/h |
| 08:11.13 | enouf | pinky: and 'pico' <insert comma or a '-'> ...those funky ':q!' that vi uses makes me shiver -- but I'm a lunatic ;-) |
| 08:11.52 | dondelelcaro | s/h// |
| 08:11.57 | pinky | enouf: Well, in an attempt to calm the inevitable editor war, I'll just say that I'm used to vi and am damn good with it, so it doesn't make me shiver -- but I'm a lunatic ;-) |
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| 08:12.26 | dondelelcaro | bintut: although, you'll find that using apt-ftparchive is better. Also, I really have no clue why whoever set up your repository decided to use the pool layout; that's not necessary. |
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| 08:13.04 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i added hwdata directory with package(s) to /debian/pool/main/h/ and lshw directory with packages to /debian/pool/main/l/ |
| 08:13.20 | pinky | dondelelcaro: "Connecting to bugs.debian.org via SMTP... SMTP send failure: (110, 'Connection timed out')" |
| 08:13.51 | bintut | dondelelcaro: the server itself has a complete debian mirror but it has a separate mirror for FAI |
| 08:14.25 | dondelelcaro | bintut: if it has a complete mirror, then you don't want to just add packages to the pool, since they'll be deleted when you run the mirror again. |
| 08:14.44 | dondelelcaro | bintut: you want to create a separate repository with the other packages that you want to add and add those lines to your sources.list on the machines which should install them. |
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| 08:15.09 | dondelelcaro | pinky: you'll need to specify your ISP's smtp server since it is blocking outgoing connections to port 25. |
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| 08:18.23 | Blackhold | hello |
| 08:18.56 | pinky | Erg |
| 08:19.02 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
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| 08:19.13 | pinky | Well I told reportbug I didn't have an MTA running... was that bad? |
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| 08:19.15 | Blackhold | I would like to make a cd that contains all the app that I want, 'cause I have 20 machines that I want to have the same software, what I should use? |
| 08:21.36 | cydork | Blackhold, try preseed |
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| 08:26.10 | bintut | dondelelcaro: the server has its own debian mirror but it also creates another PARTIAL debian mirror for other servers.. |
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| 08:26.59 | liable | pinky: /etc/reportbug.conf |
| 08:27.23 | dondelelcaro | bintut: if it's creating its own partial mirror, and you're sticking the files there, then use apt-ftparchive or dpkg-select with the path to the base of the pool directory to create the Packages file. |
| 08:28.06 | pinky | liable: Thanks, not exactly sure what to specifically look for, but I'll poke around there... |
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| 08:28.57 | bintut | dondelelcaro: you mean, copying the files manually from a debian mirror to the partial mirror is not the right solution? |
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| 08:30.33 | trygg | How do i unable bootsplash or whats its name, when you have a logo in the background of the console? |
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| 08:30.51 | bintut | dondelelcaro: and i have to make use of the apt-ftparchive instead? |
| 08:30.52 | azeem | trygg: check the kernel command line in your menu.lst |
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| 08:31.13 | dondelelcaro | bintut: no, I'm saying that you've got to create the Packages files yourself using apt-ftparchive or dpkg-scanpackages. |
| 08:31.33 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i did with dpkg-scanpackages.. |
| 08:31.38 | trygg | great. |
| 08:31.43 | dondelelcaro | bintut: then you should be fine. |
| 08:32.04 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i will reiterate what i said earlier: |
| 08:32.09 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i'm currently working on a server that has been setup by a local debian guru and he setup a partial apt repository.. now, i want to add packages on it and i manually added the lshw related packages to /debian/pool/main/h and l and when i run a dpkg-scanpackages binary /dev/null | gzip -9c > /debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz , i got a STDIN of "Binary dir binary not found". |
| 08:32.09 | dondelelcaro | you'll also have to fix the md5 and sha1sums of the Release file if you're using secure apt, but presumably you knew that. |
| 08:32.22 | bintut | dondelelcaro: "Binary dir binary not found" |
| 08:32.35 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i'm new to debian.. sorry about that.. |
| 08:32.46 | dondelelcaro | bintut: you have to pass the path to the base of the pool directory. binary is not the path to the base of the pool directory. |
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| 08:35.21 | bintut | dondelelcaro: this is actually what i got in our server: /opt/apt-mirror and /opt/fai-mirror |
| 08:36.11 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 08:36.18 | bintut | dondelelcaro: /opt/apt-mirror contains mirror, skel and var directories.. the /opt/apt-mirror is actually the main directory for the debian mirror.. |
| 08:37.09 | bintut | dondelelcaro: the /opt/fai-mirror is the main directory for the partial debian mirror to which i already copied the packages to its respective location from the apt-mirror |
| 08:38.16 | anapivirtua | Bye. |
| 08:38.55 | bintut | dondelelcaro: any idea? |
| 08:39.25 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i mean, on why i got an error of "Binary dir binary not found" ? |
| 08:40.30 | bintut | dondelelcaro: how will i fix md5sums? |
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| 08:42.56 | dondelelcaro | bintut: because you said dpkg-scanpackages binary; instead of dpkg-scanpackages debian/pool/main/ |
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| 08:43.14 | bintut | dondelelcaro: ok.. thanks.. |
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| 08:50.47 | liable | !moo |
| 08:50.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 08:51.40 | Yamaraj | lol |
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| 08:56.39 | Guerin | faster: amd sempron 2400+ (1700mhz) or amd athlonxp 1500+ (1.29mhz)? |
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| 09:01.55 | bintut | dondelelcaro: still there? |
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| 09:02.28 | samael | hi |
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| 09:02.41 | dondelelcaro | bintut: ? |
| 09:02.51 | locus | hello, has anyone experience with running debian sarge as a guest os on a vmware esx server? I'm having serious time drift problems with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. Even the proposed (from vmware kb) kernel parameters don't seem to help. Has anyone an idea how to fix this? Thanks |
| 09:02.57 | bintut | dondelelcaro: now, i tried to "dpkg -l lshw" but it doesn't have a version and a description.. |
| 09:03.16 | dondelelcaro | bintut: dpkg -l only works on packages that exist in dpkg's status database |
| 09:03.24 | dondelelcaro | bintut: you want apt-cache show or similar. |
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| 09:04.30 | bintut | Couldn't stat source package blah blah blah.. |
| 09:04.48 | bintut | wut: Unable to locate package lshw |
| 09:05.11 | bintut | ead: No packages found |
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| 09:05.47 | coywolf | anyone helps me with telnet mail 25? |
| 09:06.03 | coywolf | how to add subject there? |
| 09:06.18 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: with Subject |
| 09:06.43 | SpeedyG | ghe :) |
| 09:06.47 | coywolf | dondelelcaro, 502 unimplemented (#5.5.1) |
| 09:06.51 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: you go EHLO foo; MAIL TO bar; RCPT FROM baz; DATA; To: foo; From: bar; Subject: bleh. |
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| 09:08.37 | coywolf | dondelelcaro, when all done, type in quit? |
| 09:11.12 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: no, just . on a line by itself. |
| 09:13.41 | samael | my python scripts don't work anymore (they seem to be unable to import anything), after a python upgrade (sid). is that a known issue? |
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| 09:36.00 | flabian | Hi. I'm on Sarge here. When I try to bind a webserver (Lighttpd) to the lower ports (e.g. 80) I get a "can't bind to port: 0.0.0.0 80 Permission denied" error. |
| 09:36.09 | flabian | What's the cause? |
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| 09:36.47 | blondie | flabian: are you root? |
| 09:37.01 | blondie | (only root can use ports < 1024) |
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| 09:37.44 | flabian | blondie: I have root, but I really wish to be able to bind to lower ports with scripts running as non-root. |
| 09:37.54 | blondie | flabian: well... you can't |
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| 09:38.11 | blondie | it's a security feature |
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| 09:38.32 | flabian | blondie: is there no way to turn that off? |
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| 09:38.39 | blondie | dunno |
| 09:39.04 | flabian | blondie: (running those remotely-invoked scripts as root would make it a security mis-feature) |
| 09:39.36 | blondie | no, allowing users to run whatever they want on priveledged ports is bad |
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| 09:40.30 | flabian | you definitely have a point there, but it seems logical that certain users specified by root should be allowed to bind to those ports |
| 09:40.46 | blondie | ok, but I don't know how |
| 09:41.25 | flabian | blondie: thanks for your help in any case. |
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| 09:43.30 | dondelelcaro | in any case, best of luck with that |
| 09:43.35 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 09:44.44 | flabian | blondie: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/386 |
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| 09:45.31 | berkes | good morning internet! |
| 09:45.46 | flabian | good morning, human |
| 09:45.52 | berkes | grin. |
| 09:46.25 | berkes | I am wondering if someone knows if its possible to set up some bash environment that is in crooted mode. |
| 09:46.54 | berkes | It is very annoying to have to work on my chrooted apache when I am not in the same chroot. |
| 09:47.30 | berkes | Symlinks break all the time and referencing to files outside that chroot happened me more then once too :) |
| 09:47.31 | ice_1963 | flabian: good morning |
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| 09:50.46 | flabian | flabian: good morning to you too |
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| 09:56.48 | YogSothoth | I want to use a command through rsh that contains a pipe. How can I do so it is not interpreted as local? Like: rsh john@remotehost gunzip -c /tmp/productiondb.sql.gz | mysql -uroot -pmypass productiondb |
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| 09:58.46 | cydork | YogSothoth, try the whole command in "" |
| 10:00.16 | YogSothoth | okay! |
| 10:00.17 | YogSothoth | thnaks |
| 10:01.24 | YogSothoth | Yes this is it! |
| 10:01.25 | YogSothoth | thanks |
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| 10:09.57 | tuv | X uses part of the screen on a laptop using the i810 driver, as if the screen was smaller than it is. there are black margins around X's display. how can i fix that? |
| 10:11.06 | sep | tuv, lcd'd are made for a spesific resolution. if you use a lower resolution you get black borders. use the correct resolution for your screen |
| 10:11.27 | sep | !drxx |
| 10:11.27 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 10:12.07 | tuv | sep, i tried both 800x600 and 1024x786 and they both had the same margins. dpkg-reconfigure didn't update the xorg.conf file (debian testing) |
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| 10:12.21 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 10:12.22 | dpkg | x md5sum is probably If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are ... |
| 10:12.29 | sep | !xorgxmd5 |
| 10:12.36 | sep | !xorgmd5 |
| 10:12.36 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've mad |
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| 10:13.41 | tuv | sep, but how can dpkg-reconfigure solve my problem? |
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| 10:14.18 | sep | tuv, you can choose the correct resolution |
| 10:15.24 | tuv | sep, i can add resolutions to xorg.conf manually, but both 800x600 and 1024x786 had black margins, what else could the right resolution be? |
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| 10:16.16 | tuv | sep, besides, on other laptops when i use smaller resolution i don't get black margins. i get the same screen with larger icons |
| 10:17.27 | sep | tuv, then that screen is smarter and scale up the sceeen |
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| 10:17.47 | sep | tuv, you own the thing you shoudl know what resolution it wants |
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| 10:18.12 | b_52Free | some one have xmule in the area? |
| 10:18.22 | tuv | sep, actually it's not mine, it's for a friend and i was trying to get X working for him |
| 10:18.54 | tuv | b_52Centos, is xmule still alive? i use amule |
| 10:18.56 | SpeedyG | just put windows on it, problem solved |
| 10:19.02 | SpeedyG | ;P |
| 10:19.15 | tuv | SpeedyG, you better run fast :P |
| 10:19.23 | DimmuR | Hi all I've strange problem with radio in bt878 card - I use 2.6.8-3 (debian sarge) kernel with alsa sound. In alsamixer all is on nax, in mplayer sound working but when i run radio app i hear nothing. Any1 can help me find solution? |
| 10:19.37 | b_52Free | tuv, i will use anything that end with "*mule" :) |
| 10:19.53 | b_52Free | could you tell me from with mirror did you take it ? |
| 10:21.16 | tuv | b_52Centos, http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/amule |
| 10:21.32 | tuv | b_52Centos, it should be in every mirror. in testing and unstable only though |
| 10:21.49 | b_52Free | tuv, ok thks i use sarge repo that why |
| 10:21.52 | tuv | b_52Centos, probably it's backported for stable somewhere elsee |
| 10:21.59 | b_52Free | is it ok to mix sarge and testing packages ? |
| 10:22.04 | b_52Free | hm ok |
| 10:22.26 | b_52Free | tuv, http://wiki.debian.org/aMule?highlight=%28amule%29 :) |
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| 10:28.11 | cydork | b_52Free, try to use backports if you need newer packages for sarge. |
| 10:28.35 | inflex | I tried to locate a program called 'mail' which is on some of my systems, it's a basic email reader for terminal mode - but when I do an apt-cache search mail, I naturally get a few gazillion replies.. anyone know what package I should be after? |
| 10:28.54 | b_52Free | cydork, ok |
| 10:29.58 | cydork | inflex, is that in program in your path. |
| 10:30.09 | DimmuR | inflex: use apt-file search |
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| 10:30.47 | inflex | thanks DimmuR |
| 10:31.30 | Coweater | apt-file search bin/mail, or just use the packages.debian.org search if you don't want to install apt-file and wait for it to update |
| 10:31.48 | inflex | thanks |
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| 10:35.59 | mst | guys, where did unstable amd64 go? |
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| 10:42.46 | mst | phew found one |
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| 10:47.40 | Yamaraj | Is anybody running 2.6.18? Is it stable enough for personal use? |
| 10:47.50 | SpeedyG | 2.6.17 here |
| 10:48.22 | blondie | is it in "stable"? ;) |
| 10:48.33 | Yamaraj | SpeedyG: Custom compiled? |
| 10:48.38 | SpeedyG | yup |
| 10:48.51 | Yamaraj | blondie: Of course not! |
| 10:49.05 | Yamaraj | SpeedyG: Which patches? |
| 10:49.05 | blondie | Yamaraj: can't possibly be stable then :O |
| 10:49.22 | SpeedyG | Yamaraj: euhm... none? never done anything with kernel patches |
| 10:49.30 | Yamaraj | rc3 looks pretty stable for a desktop to me. ;-) |
| 10:49.48 | Yamaraj | I see. |
| 10:49.53 | SpeedyG | not that this runs a desktop... it's my router :) |
| 10:50.20 | Yamaraj | PC router, ain't it? |
| 10:50.52 | SpeedyG | yeah, I've never seen any of those little routers with chat-functionality ;) |
| 10:51.01 | Yamaraj | Hehe. |
| 10:51.22 | SpeedyG | and those crappy things can't handle my connection |
| 10:51.27 | SpeedyG | tried 3 |
| 10:51.34 | SpeedyG | all of them timed out after a given amount of time |
| 10:51.48 | Yamaraj | el cheapos are not that powerful enough. |
| 10:52.11 | SpeedyG | a linksys one, and two unknown brands |
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| 10:52.18 | Yamaraj | And, nothing beats an old PC for a router. |
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| 10:53.50 | petemc | apart from the power it consumes |
| 10:54.15 | Yamaraj | Power in, power out. ;-) |
| 10:54.32 | SpeedyG | I pay a fixed price for my power :) |
| 10:54.40 | SpeedyG | rent all-inclusive : |
| 10:54.41 | SpeedyG | :> |
| 10:54.44 | petemc | its not just about cost to you.. |
| 10:55.27 | SpeedyG | not? |
| 10:55.49 | petemc | no, theres this thing called the environment.. |
| 10:55.49 | Yamaraj | He's gonna say: "heat". :-P |
| 10:55.59 | Yamaraj | I knew it! |
| 10:56.17 | Bazy | if you want a router to run linux, and you don't want it to be and old PC... get a LinkSys wireless router and install http://openwrt.org on it |
| 10:56.25 | SpeedyG | yeah well, I screw the environement by using a bit more power,and using less energy to heat my room |
| 10:56.35 | SpeedyG | *save it by |
| 10:56.46 | petemc | freudian slip |
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| 10:58.00 | SpeedyG | nah, I meant ' and save it by using less energy' |
| 10:58.05 | SpeedyG | not save the environement |
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| 10:58.16 | SpeedyG | ofcourse you screw it by using power for computers |
| 10:58.37 | SpeedyG | but on the other hand, I can't care much about the environement |
| 10:58.50 | petemc | thats the spirit |
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| 10:59.41 | Yamaraj | Care for environment? Get Bush Jr to sign Kyoto treaty. Facories and aircons have a much larger share in global warming than small and old peecees. |
| 10:59.44 | SpeedyG | I never throw any junk out on the streets, always nicely in the garbage bin... thats visible 'environement' which I do care about |
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| 11:00.21 | SpeedyG | and for the rest, Yamaraj covers it all ;) |
| 11:01.37 | Yamaraj | Do I, hm? ^_^ |
| 11:02.18 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:02.27 | SpeedyG | Shadowcat: it's a dirt-burner.. so they burn my junk to make power out of it... usefull if you'd ask me :P |
| 11:02.39 | Guerin | tonight the smoke escaped from one of my cpus and mobos |
| 11:02.48 | Guerin | and my washing machine no longer spins/agitates |
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| 11:03.04 | SpeedyG | Guerin: these are the weeks that everything breaks |
| 11:03.05 | SpeedyG | innit? |
| 11:03.12 | liable | check the belt... |
| 11:03.18 | Guerin | indeed |
| 11:03.32 | SpeedyG | tv and washingmachine at my gf's broke |
| 11:03.38 | Guerin | the good news is that Her Majesty has granted me permission to spend up to $500 on a new computer |
| 11:03.39 | SpeedyG | my computer wouldnt bootup properly |
| 11:03.40 | Yamaraj | Check the balls, I say! |
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| 11:03.57 | Shadowcat | hah her majesty |
| 11:03.58 | SpeedyG | and more stuff keeps breaking |
| 11:04.04 | Shadowcat | Guerin's his girl's slave |
| 11:04.08 | b_52Free | tuv, still in the area? |
| 11:04.10 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:04.13 | Guerin | i'm her bitch |
| 11:04.17 | SpeedyG | gheh, I keep my girl as an advisor |
| 11:04.22 | Shadowcat | no, you're her dog |
| 11:04.22 | Guerin | well |
| 11:04.28 | SpeedyG | but I can ignore her any moment and just go ahead spending :P |
| 11:04.30 | Guerin | she earns 2x the money as I do |
| 11:04.35 | Guerin | so she gets some say |
| 11:04.47 | Guerin | actually, more like 3x at the moment |
| 11:04.57 | SpeedyG | ghehe |
| 11:04.58 | Yamaraj | Haha! Definitely then. |
| 11:05.15 | SpeedyG | I make twice as much as my gf, but I also spend twice as much :P |
| 11:05.30 | SpeedyG | or well, I spend nearly all money |
| 11:05.32 | SpeedyG | she spends nothing |
| 11:05.40 | SpeedyG | (fortunately for her we still live separated) |
| 11:05.44 | Yamaraj | She's wise. |
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| 11:06.10 | SpeedyG | she's a scrooge |
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| 11:06.41 | Yamaraj | Heh. Might as well spend some on races then? |
| 11:06.45 | Yamaraj | :-P |
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| 11:07.31 | SpeedyG | I am thinking about buying the winning lottery ticket |
| 11:07.40 | SpeedyG | but thats a hell of a challenge ;) |
| 11:08.17 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:08.35 | Guerin | someone who buys a ticket and wins the lottery isn't lucky |
| 11:08.44 | SpeedyG | why not? |
| 11:08.50 | Guerin | it's the dude who DOESN'T buy a ticket and still wins who's really lucky |
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| 11:08.55 | SpeedyG | ghehe |
| 11:08.59 | nakeee | how do I add a repository key to the authorized key list? |
| 11:08.59 | Yamaraj | lol |
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| 11:10.52 | Yamaraj | Use gpg to import the key, and apt-key to add. |
| 11:10.58 | SpeedyG | how can I btw assign another IRQ to a device? |
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| 11:13.07 | Guerin | SpeedyG: you need to call the IRQ Registration Agency - aka the IRA |
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| 11:15.29 | Yamaraj | Well, I'm having some GTK issues on my laptop running Etch. For example, XMMS menu list appears empty except for a few entries here and there. |
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| 11:16.17 | Yamaraj | Buttons without text on them. |
| 11:16.28 | ar | pro-xm: relocation error: pro-xm: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 11:16.32 | ar | can you help me solve this problem |
| 11:18.22 | Shadur | ar: Where did you download that binary? |
| 11:18.45 | ar | this programm for modelling |
| 11:19.09 | ar | i think that this programm use VERY OLD GLIBC? |
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| 11:24.41 | Yamaraj | Check this: http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotbo4.png |
| 11:24.49 | Yamaraj | Weird problem. |
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| 11:25.48 | Yamaraj | No text labels on tabs or buttons. Every other app works just fine. |
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| 11:27.02 | Yamaraj | Any idea? |
| 11:28.05 | azeem | gtk1.2 problem |
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| 11:29.30 | Yamaraj | Solution? |
| 11:29.35 | azeem | no idea |
| 11:29.41 | azeem | check for imlib updates, maybe |
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| 11:29.48 | Yamaraj | Hmm. |
| 11:29.56 | azeem | and maybe try with a fresh test user |
| 11:30.24 | azeem | and get another hoster, that screenshot made a whole mess of popups and javascript dialogs appear |
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| 11:32.05 | SpeedyG | Guerin: wouldnt that be the IRQRA ? :P |
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| 11:35.32 | Guerin | SpeedyG: no, that's something else |
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| 11:36.51 | SpeedyG | oh |
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| 11:37.09 | SpeedyG | but now serious, is it possible to change the irq for lets say, my eth0 ? |
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| 11:39.24 | petemc | SpeedyG: you can pass parameters to the kernel for things like that, you shouldnt need to tho |
| 11:39.39 | Pavel_K | maybe in mainboard bios |
| 11:39.47 | SpeedyG | problem is that my hde freaks out on regular basis |
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| 11:40.03 | Janne_Doe | hi there |
| 11:40.21 | SpeedyG | with errors like lost interrupt |
| 11:40.55 | Janne_Doe | maybe you can help me, I have installed debian sarge 3.1 on my computer with an amd64 processor and I can't get kde |
| 11:41.06 | blondie | why can't you? |
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| 11:41.16 | SpeedyG | cant 'get' it ? |
| 11:41.20 | Janne_Doe | Depends ... but it is not going to be installed |
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| 11:42.27 | Shadur | Check your sources.list |
| 11:43.15 | cunzhang | hi,today after I apt-get upgrade,I can't mount partition with konqueror when I click a device in system:/media ,the error is Feature only available with HAL.what's with my konqueror? |
| 11:43.21 | Janne_Doe | euh I think my sources.list is ok |
| 11:43.26 | Janne_Doe | euh let me paste it |
| 11:43.33 | enouf | SpeedyG> yeah -- what the heck does that mean ?? (can't get it)...specifically |
| 11:43.36 | stoned | good monring |
| 11:43.44 | enouf | JanneDoe: better not |
| 11:43.55 | enouf | Janne_Doe: * |
| 11:43.57 | stoned | mon ring |
| 11:44.02 | Janne_Doe | paste.debian.net? |
| 11:44.12 | enouf | Janne_Doe: Si :-) |
| 11:44.40 | SpeedyG | enouf: that was what I was pointing out to Janne_Doe ;) |
| 11:44.52 | enouf | Janne_Doe: or /join #flood |
| 11:44.56 | Janne_Doe | http://paste.debian.net/10390 |
| 11:45.33 | enouf | SpeedyG> whoops -- yeah you're right -- doh! |
| 11:45.35 | Janne_Doe | ok the kde section is horrible but i have tried many things |
| 11:45.52 | enouf | SpeedyG> apologies |
| 11:45.56 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 11:46.36 | Janne_Doe | so what's wrong? |
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| 11:47.54 | Janne_Doe | i have tried this http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php but there is no matches with amd64 processor |
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| 11:48.14 | enouf | Janne_Doe: not sure -- but I've got "deb-src" equivalents for each of my entries in sources.list....How did you come to create yours as such? |
| 11:48.36 | strk | is there in IrDA-specific channel ? or doesn anyone know who to test for IrDA functioning ? |
| 11:49.28 | fireba11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.28 | Janne_Doe | I have created mine because with the "fresh" installtion, my sources.list is empty |
| 11:49.33 | fireba11 | etch damnit |
| 11:49.45 | Janne_Doe | so i have googled to find amd64 repositories |
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| 11:51.40 | Janne_Doe | what should I do...? using debian only with the console isn't fun... ;) |
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| 11:53.04 | lodder | hello, I need some help i have a mailserver running with postfix and maildir and with homedir users but i would like to port that all 2 virtual mail server is this possible? pls help me out |
| 11:53.06 | Pavel_K | Janne_Doe ..> http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html |
| 11:53.16 | Janne_Doe | thanks |
| 11:53.24 | enouf | Janne_Doe: The usual CD deb-installer allows for adding sources.list entries, from cdrom, ftp, http, and other sources -- from what did you install ? a CD, the Etch beta, or netinstall? |
| 11:53.42 | Janne_Doe | arf I have already read it about mirroirs |
| 11:53.48 | Janne_Doe | -i* |
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| 11:54.07 | Janne_Doe | netinstall |
| 11:54.19 | alienbrain_ | Does Sarge kernel come with SATA support? |
| 11:54.32 | stoned | use the 2.6 series |
| 11:54.36 | stoned | kernel |
| 11:54.42 | stoned | !sata |
| 11:54.43 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
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| 11:55.18 | alienbrain_ | stoned: thank you :-) |
| 11:55.31 | stoned | sure |
| 11:55.42 | lodder | hello, I need some help i have a mailserver running with postfix and maildir and with homedir users but i would like to port that all 2 virtual mail server is this possible? pls help me out |
| 11:55.48 | alienbrain_ | stoned: oh sorry, but in a 2.6 it works out of the box? |
| 11:56.11 | enouf | alienbrain; I think the 2.6.15 and better have better SATA support- use backports.org and foolw and read those links the bot gave you |
| 11:56.22 | stoned | alienbrain_, yes |
| 11:56.27 | alienbrain_ | alright |
| 11:56.43 | lodder | !postfix |
| 11:56.43 | dpkg | i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 11:56.50 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 11:56.50 | dpkg | dpkgbot is probably Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 11:56.57 | enouf | alienbrain; Sarge wants tio use 2.6.8, which is quite weak (or non-existant) as far as SATA support |
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| 11:58.17 | blahdeblah_ | Hi. A hopefully quick question: why does my Sarge system show mktemp as an essential package, even though it only exists in testing? |
| 11:59.24 | eps | does debian sid kernel support blu ray? |
| 12:00.03 | blahdeblah_ | eps: Nobody in their right mind supports blu ray. :-) |
| 12:00.26 | alienbrain_ | enouf: if the kernel couldn't work with my sata, how could I get the system to work so I can apt-get a newer kernel, that's the tricky part :/ |
| 12:00.26 | eps | blahdeblah_ I'm not in my right mind, besides I support neither blu ray or hddvd |
| 12:00.51 | eps | blu ray - sony, hd dvd - limited storage, both - no point :P |
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| 12:00.58 | eps | just interested if it does |
| 12:01.11 | stoned | well I hear the PS3 will be linux friendly |
| 12:01.13 | stoned | very much |
| 12:01.25 | eps | ps3 is based on linux kernel |
| 12:01.34 | eps | thus you'd hope it was friendly :P |
| 12:01.35 | stoned | I did not know that |
| 12:01.50 | stoned | oh man |
| 12:01.52 | enouf | alienbrain_: yep -- that's the trick alrighty ;-) |
| 12:01.58 | stoned | I'm out of papers and blunts |
| 12:02.01 | stoned | fuck! |
| 12:02.15 | waiting | stoned: now you can start to code |
| 12:02.29 | eps | lol |
| 12:02.29 | stoned | I code when I'm being paid |
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| 12:02.41 | blahdeblah_ | alienbrain_: A kernel from backports.org might help. |
| 12:02.47 | stoned | haha |
| 12:02.49 | stoned | orleans |
| 12:02.53 | stoned | .fr |
| 12:03.07 | stoned | I'm from louisiana around New Orleans |
| 12:03.15 | alienbrain_ | blahdeblah_: I will check them then |
| 12:03.20 | enouf | alienbrain_: read read read -- and then read some more ;-)...Got a PATA laying around ? |
| 12:03.28 | stoned | alienbrain_, PITA |
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| 12:03.36 | stoned | taco |
| 12:03.45 | fireba11 | alienbrain_: there is a sarge installer with 2.6.16 if you need it ... |
| 12:03.54 | fireba11 | alienbrain_: backported of course |
| 12:04.47 | ar | where i can get boot iso for debian-sid? |
| 12:04.53 | ar | or etch? |
| 12:05.07 | alienbrain_ | enouf: ah, got your idea |
| 12:05.21 | Shadowcat | damnit |
| 12:05.29 | alienbrain_ | fireba11: nice, will google that |
| 12:05.32 | eps | ar net install? |
| 12:05.44 | ar | yes |
| 12:05.56 | eps | ar look on the debian.org website under downloads, what you want in there (net install or weekly iso's) are listed |
| 12:06.27 | ar | so - i whant install small system on sidor etch - and then all soft get from mirror |
| 12:06.43 | enouf | eps: remember he wants 'Sarge' -- with Etch... no prob |
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| 12:07.23 | ar | ok |
| 12:07.30 | enouf | eps, et al: he or she* |
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| 12:08.03 | eps | opps, I read sid |
| 12:08.09 | eps | wait, he asked for sid :P |
| 12:09.23 | enouf | I don't think so -- but no biggy, s/he's got more than a few options now :-) |
| 12:10.37 | enouf | eps: the Q was ["Does Sarge kernel come with SATA support?"] |
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| 12:11.01 | eps | I was reading the one on where is sid |
| 12:11.09 | ma3x | how do I create .iso img from /media/data directory? |
| 12:11.22 | eps | winmx is back it seems for those interested in perfectly legitimate p2p transfers :P |
| 12:11.29 | GoAuLd | ma3x k3b |
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| 12:11.40 | enouf | ma3x: got an ISO in there ? |
| 12:11.55 | ma3x | GoAuLd, thanks |
| 12:12.05 | ma3x | enouf, got a directory, wanna pack everything in .iso |
| 12:12.11 | enouf | ma3x: doh ..I see, you want to 'create' an ISO ...duh |
| 12:12.22 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/eGyrF778.html |
| 12:12.27 | strk | ^^ problems with an usb device |
| 12:12.28 | enouf | ma3x: got k3b? and use mkisofs |
| 12:12.45 | enouf | and/or* |
| 12:14.18 | ma3x | ok |
| 12:14.19 | ma3x | thank |
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| 12:17.32 | enouf | strk: APM, and/or ACPI issues with a USB DSLModem (or similar)? |
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| 12:20.13 | enouf | strk: give an idea of your system and networking setup ... got servers running?, using routers? -- and besides the error messages, what actually happens for you to notice? |
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| 12:23.01 | strk | enouf: I just bought a nokia 5140i mobile phone, intended for use in GPRS connection |
| 12:23.22 | strk | enouf: I'm trying to talk to it from a laptop computer, usb is first attempt (this also supports IrDA, but sounds harder) |
| 12:23.41 | strk | the above error raises when connecting the USB cable |
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| 12:25.04 | strk | laptop is asus L5800C |
| 12:25.22 | strk | the usb ports have been tested with a digital camera and they work in that case |
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| 12:26.46 | enouf | strk: hmm..' lsmod | grep usb |
| 12:27.03 | strk | usbcore 104416 4 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 12:27.07 | strk | that's all |
| 12:28.01 | enouf | strk: what version of Debian ? perhaps modprobe usb_storage |
| 12:28.20 | Hoxzer | Imho it would be good thing to have an mascot named "debbe" |
| 12:28.26 | Hoxzer | *a |
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| 12:30.15 | psycodad | hello |
| 12:30.25 | psycodad | is there a specialized channel for debian on MIPS ? |
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| 12:31.14 | ma3x | is there a way to upload a directory via ftp? |
| 12:31.14 | ma3x | with lftp or with normal ftp? |
| 12:31.24 | ma3x | or with some other client perhaps? |
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| 12:31.47 | fireba11 | ma3x: ? |
| 12:32.11 | fireba11 | ma3x like a whole directory in one operation ? |
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| 12:33.12 | ma3x | fireba11, exactly! |
| 12:33.22 | strk | enouf: 3.1 |
| 12:33.59 | fireba11 | ma3x: not supported by protocol as far as i know.. |
| 12:33.59 | strk | enouf: still "device not accepting address #, error -110" got |
| 12:34.20 | strk | enouf: (even with usb_storage - why should it be a storage, btw ? it should be a tty/serial port I guess) |
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| 12:36.09 | fireba11 | ma3x most clients can "simulate" taht though |
| 12:36.13 | enouf | strk: I forget exactly -- I thought i recall that's needed ..or was it 'uhci_hcd' -- so modprobe uhci_hcd |
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| 12:36.46 | ma3x | fireba11, can you tell me a client that will support (or perform) that |
| 12:37.40 | fireba11 | ma3x command line ftp can do that !? |
| 12:37.44 | strk | enouf: uhci_hcd loaded, still same error |
| 12:38.20 | ma3x | fireba11, do what? upload directory? |
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| 12:38.43 | fireba11 | ma3x: copy whole directories, yes |
| 12:38.55 | ma3x | fireba11, how?? what's the command? |
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| 12:41.53 | ma3x | fireball? |
| 12:42.51 | fireba11 | ma3x did it with sftp last week .. just log in and tell ti to copy /folder/ i think |
| 12:43.05 | enouf | strk: truy booting with the kerenl parameter 'pci=noacp' |
| 12:43.17 | enouf | strk: it's 'pci=noacpi' |
| 12:44.16 | ma3x | fireba11, sftp is secure and slow |
| 12:44.23 | ma3x | i dont need that secure |
| 12:45.20 | fireba11 | ma3x: on normal boxes 100BASE-T is the limiting factor :-) |
| 12:46.11 | strk | enouf: would that mean no acpi at all ? my current options are: |
| 12:46.12 | strk | apm=off acpi=on resume2=swap:/dev/hdc5 acpi_irq_balance acpi_irq_isa=3,12 hda=ide-scsi |
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| 12:47.28 | Darth_Tux | will a dist upgrade from sarge to etch break my system? |
| 12:47.53 | blondie | Darth_Tux: possibly |
| 12:48.04 | enouf | strk: No it just means that the PCI Bus won't be ACPI controlled (USB is Not standard serial tat you know, it's a hub controller interface through the SouthBridge, unlike the tty/serial DB-9 pin modem stuff, which is the SuperI/O chip) -- using GRUB or LiLo to boot?? If grub, just add this add the end of pci=noapci line [ ] in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:48.12 | Darth_Tux | blondie, but likely? |
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| 12:48.19 | enouf | strk: wait -- I forgot something ... |
| 12:48.27 | fireba11 | Darth_Tux worked for me ... had to fix some minor issues though |
| 12:48.33 | GoAuLd | Darth_Tux, its not likely |
| 12:48.34 | blondie | Darth_Tux: well, it works fine for me... but it's not "stable" so breakage isn't unexpected |
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| 12:49.37 | strk | enouf: using lilo (waiting for more info) |
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| 12:49.57 | Darth_Tux | i understand that breakage CAN happen, but i ran sarge when it was testing and it was great, never upgraded from stable to testing though |
| 12:50.50 | enouf | strk: Find you kernel line (make it look like)--> [ kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.x.x.x root=/dev/hdc1 ro pci=noacpi ] - naturally leave your kernel version there alone (I replaced with 2.x.x.x. in teh example) |
| 12:51.01 | enouf | strk : whooops |
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| 12:51.22 | enouf | strk : LiLo -- umm don;'t know how to properly edit that |
| 12:51.55 | strk | I do know, no problem, but before booting, do you really think this can be the problem ? (I'm doing lots of other stuff atm) |
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| 12:53.37 | enouf | strk : but think you have a "kernel=/..." line in there ?? Oooo -- it's all I can seem to find out atm ... I really don;t know for sure, but perhaps it's a Bug, and listed on BTS...it appears there's no USB 1.1 support or something, though you have 2.0ports it seems |
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| 12:53.37 | ma3x | fireba11, what's the limiting factor? |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | i've been glomped! |
| 12:54.05 | fireba11 | ma3x: the 100MBit network .. :-D |
| 12:54.32 | enouf | strk : If doing important stuff -- keep doing .. do NOT stop - make sure data is safe and backed up (just in case) ... you never know. Do that when you CAN and SAFELY ;-) |
| 12:54.38 | ma3x | fireba11, is it , or is it not a limiting factor? |
| 12:54.46 | ma3x | fireba11, because I tried with scp, and it was a limiting factor |
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| 12:54.53 | strk | enouf: let me check if I do have usb 1.1 |
| 12:55.24 | strk | 5x SiS USB 2.0 |
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| 12:55.25 | strk | argh! |
| 12:55.29 | fireba11 | ma3x with > 2 GHz you only use about 25% CPU with SCP and 100 MBit ... |
| 12:55.41 | strk | enouf: only USB 2.0 it seems :'( |
| 12:55.54 | strk | enouf: I guess it doesn't have to do with the cable, right ? |
| 12:56.06 | strk | enouf: I mean, if the phone is USB1.1 there's no luck... correct ? |
| 12:56.20 | enouf | strk : well the 2.0 cables are supposed tro backwards compatible with 1.1 |
| 12:56.27 | blondie | usb 2 is backward compatible with 1.1 |
| 12:56.35 | blondie | and vice versa |
| 12:56.38 | enouf | strk : The interface is as well ... hang in there |
| 12:56.41 | blondie | things will just be slower |
| 12:56.51 | enouf | exactly |
| 12:56.52 | strk | oh-oh, wait |
| 12:56.53 | strk | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_L5800C#USB |
| 12:57.03 | strk | enouf: it seems the 5 ports are really both 1.1 and 2.0 ! |
| 12:57.14 | blondie | strk: please don't swear |
| 12:57.21 | enouf | strk : yes |
| 12:57.38 | strk | blondie: sorry ? |
| 12:57.45 | blondie | strk: you said "gentoo" |
| 12:57.46 | blondie | :( |
| 12:58.01 | strk | blondie: you mean I shouldn't trust that wiki ? -- will go to Asus website |
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| 12:58.17 | blondie | it's gentoo; bound to be lies ;) |
| 12:59.43 | enouf | strk: info about kernel boot parameter options and what each does http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 (just note the kernel version) -- I have Sid here and forgot already about Sarge's hotplug and devfs (older kernels and versions) vs. udev/dbus/hal (new stuff replacement) |
| 13:00.33 | enouf | strk: do me a favor -- what does 'lsmod | grep scsi' say |
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| 13:01.44 | strk | ide_scsi 16004 0 |
| 13:01.44 | strk | scsi_mod 116428 5 usb_storage,sd_mod,sg,sr_mod,ide_scsi |
| 13:02.35 | strk | enouf: just dropped them all (I don't think they have to do with my phone) |
| 13:02.40 | enouf | strk: well you seem to have necessary modules, but there may be 1 in particular I'm missing ...drats, I can't recall atm |
| 13:03.07 | strk | enouf: the message seems to refer to a problem in the device, though |
| 13:03.15 | strk | usb 1-2: device not accepting address 3, |
| 13:03.21 | enouf | strk: can you try your phone on another system to rule it out? |
| 13:03.25 | strk | it seems it is the phone that doesn't want to take a specific address |
| 13:03.33 | strk | yes, let me try on the desktop |
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| 13:04.16 | enouf | strk: exactly :-) |
| 13:04.56 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/dXuMl277.html |
| 13:04.59 | strk | no error |
| 13:05.11 | strk | it seems the phone provides 4 devices (?) |
| 13:05.16 | strk | from 2 to 5 |
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| 13:05.30 | enouf | strk: see "uhci_hcd" ??? |
| 13:06.01 | enouf | strk: you don't (didn't have that on your laptop) |
| 13:06.29 | strk | right, but it is loaded as a module! |
| 13:06.42 | strk | uhci_hcd 30096 0 |
| 13:06.46 | strk | (on the laptop |
| 13:06.58 | strk | it is one of usbcore users |
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| 13:07.23 | enouf | strk: perhaps it nees a matching alias entry in modprobe,.conf (can't recall the filename even ...sheee) |
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| 13:08.00 | enouf | strk: usbcore 104416 4 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 13:08.00 | enouf | [08:24:56] <strk> that's all |
| 13:08.19 | strk | you made me grep 'usb', not 'hci' |
| 13:08.24 | enouf | strk: that's not the same module |
| 13:08.30 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/MjtIOt48.html |
| 13:08.33 | strk | ^^ that's hci |
| 13:08.49 | enouf | strk: AFAIK - the ehci and ohci hande the 2.0 tranfers |
| 13:08.57 | enouf | strk: handle* |
| 13:09.06 | strk | the 'u'hci was not loaded then, maybe it got loaded now when plugged the phone |
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| 13:09.17 | strk | but it is loaded now |
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| 13:09.30 | strk | anyway, let me ask you something first, about the desktop |
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| 13:09.45 | strk | I run 'lsusb' before and after phone plug, and get same output, is that a bad sign ? :) |
| 13:09.56 | enouf | strk: yep -- either way you need that module loaded I'm thinking --> "uhci_hcd" |
| 13:10.17 | enouf | strk: lsusb only lists the BUS ID...no ? |
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| 13:10.41 | strk | enouf: no, bus id , device id, factory name |
| 13:10.44 | Yamara1 | I've a problem with WiFi. |
| 13:10.46 | strk | (I see my mouse) |
| 13:11.02 | enouf | strk: oh well then ;-) |
| 13:11.20 | enouf | what does lspci list ?? |
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| 13:12.04 | enouf | strk: for USB ...similar to --> 0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: |
| 13:13.28 | Yamara1 | Debian Etch installer detected my ThinkPad Gigabit ethernet correctly as eth0, but 2200BG as eth1. When I loaded the ieee80211 module and installed firmware, another interface eth2 was created. Now iwconfig shows eth2 as wireless device. How do I remove eth1? |
| 13:13.51 | abrotman | use ifrename or ifname or whatever iti s |
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| 13:14.19 | cr3 | when the kernel panics and the system freezes, is there a log I should be looking at? |
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| 13:16.46 | eleftherios | I have a laptop (HP nx8220) running Etch and it has an SD-SC card reader. Any ideas on whether this thing is supported under Debian? |
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| 13:17.00 | masao | hi guys |
| 13:17.03 | pipeline | eleftherios: Unless you can get a hell of a lot mor especific, your best bet is to "try it and see" |
| 13:17.03 | plb | Is there a way to burn a cd iso image to dvd |
| 13:17.59 | pipeline | plb: Oh, maybe, maybe not. A CD "iso image" is usually a raw copy of the CD. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't. (DVDs are 512 byte blocks, CDs have three block sizes. One of those block sizes will sometimes work. Sometimes.) |
| 13:18.22 | Yamara1 | abrotman: It's ifrename. Isn't it possible to manually tweak eth0/1/2 etc device names? |
| 13:18.44 | plb | interesting...I've found utils that will convert cd iso to dvd but it only works on windows |
| 13:18.56 | abrotman | Yamara1: you can load modules in the order you'd like if that helps |
| 13:19.30 | Yamara1 | Hmm. |
| 13:19.48 | eleftherios | pipeline, I don't know where to start you see.... |
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| 13:21.00 | harshal_P | hello guys, i wanted one offtopic help, good irc channels for solaris and AIX anyone knows? |
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| 13:21.56 | Ronin | harshal_P: #solaris perhaps |
| 13:22.18 | pipeline | eleftherios: Install "gnome-volume-manager" and put in an SD card. If it automatically mounts the card's filesystem, your card reader works. If not, I would expect that it's not going to work. |
| 13:22.22 | Detox | anyone using the debian-installer cd dated 8 august? I cannot get it to see the servers to configure apt during install???? |
| 13:22.32 | harshal_P | Rohin: thanks |
| 13:22.33 | eleftherios | pipeline, I'll try that |
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| 13:25.03 | eleftherios | pipeline, hm, nothing happens and lsusb just reports my usb mouse... |
| 13:25.11 | pipeline | eleftherios: Well, there you have it, then. |
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| 13:27.25 | eleftherios | pipeline, :-( |
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| 13:28.53 | darkhmet | hi |
| 13:29.08 | darkhmet | i'm a problem, somebody can help me? |
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| 13:29.31 | blondie | darkhmet: you don't need to ask to ask :p |
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| 13:29.41 | darkhmet | well, im trying to download the module-init-tools |
| 13:29.55 | darkhmet | and I recived the next error |
| 13:30.00 | darkhmet | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y |
| 13:30.00 | darkhmet | E: Cannot get debconf version. Is debconf installed? |
| 13:30.00 | darkhmet | debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptordpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 2 package `dpkg': |
| 13:30.03 | darkhmet | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.06 | darkhmet | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 13:30.45 | darkhmet | Someone help me please? |
| 13:32.17 | Detox | is there a prob with sepositories? I cannot configure apt during setup,,, am using latest weekly build dated 8 aug,,, cd1 |
| 13:32.29 | blondie | Detox: rofl |
| 13:32.54 | Detox | will not see debian.org or us.debian.org |
| 13:33.07 | Detox | when i can finally get it to go there,,, it hangs |
| 13:33.35 | Detox | is there an alternative server to finish install? |
| 13:33.42 | blondie | Detox: not sure debian has any sepositories |
| 13:34.02 | Detox | asrrrgggg |
| 13:34.03 | Detox | spelling |
| 13:34.04 | Detox | sorry |
| 13:34.21 | Detox | but it feels like it today tho |
| 13:34.42 | Detox | repositorys |
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| 13:35.43 | Exclamation | hi |
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| 13:36.46 | Exclamation | i was wondering if i should use the amd64 version... also does the kernel support SMP? |
| 13:36.52 | pipeline | Exclamation: You shouldn't. |
| 13:37.05 | pipeline | Exclamation: Unless you have more than 3.5G of RAM, there's almost no performance benefit. |
| 13:37.26 | Exclamation | oh, ok... |
| 13:38.03 | Exclamation | so i guess its mostly for servers |
| 13:38.09 | blondie | I have 32TB of RAM :| |
| 13:38.19 | GoAuLd | pipeline what have to do 3.5G with that? |
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| 13:39.48 | GoAuLd | why there isnt performance benefit below 3.5 G ? |
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| 13:42.27 | dimir | !nickometer |^o_o^| |
| 13:42.29 | dpkg | '|^o_o^|' is 99.850% lame, dimir |
| 13:42.30 | dimir | \o/ |
| 13:42.46 | pipeline | GoAuLd: 3.5G is the magic number before you have to use PAE on 32 bit platforms. |
| 13:42.51 | pipeline | GoAuLd: PAE implies a performance hit. |
| 13:43.29 | pipeline | GoAuLd: Without PAE (36 bit addressing) the system can only address 4G of RAM, and a chunk of that is reserved for PCI address space, kernel stuff etc. Hence the 3.5G. |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | there is a performance hit .. but it's neglible |
| 13:44.21 | abrotman | i mean .. on the HIGHMEM in general |
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| 13:44.28 | faber3 | hi everybody |
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| 13:44.34 | faber3 | anyone unsing the xen stuff from debian? |
| 13:44.35 | pipeline | abrotman: PAE is a separate problem |
| 13:44.36 | abrotman | it only matters on a pretty old system |
| 13:44.40 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm aware of that |
| 13:45.34 | abrotman | faber3: ask a better question |
| 13:46.43 | abrotman | or watch paint dry .. up to you ... |
| 13:47.03 | blondie | !anyone |
| 13:47.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:47.48 | enouf | pipeline: AFAIK ; even certain Intel Pentium D's and p4's with EM64T have a 3.2GB limit on consumer mobos |
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| 13:49.13 | Exclamation | ok....will i still see an improvement going from 32 to 64 even if im not using a 64bit distro? |
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| 13:50.31 | abrotman | enouf: that'd be silly |
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| 13:50.44 | strk | enouf: sorry, ADLS down (very bad luck today) |
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| 13:50.55 | strk | while offline, I checked *hci stuff |
| 13:51.04 | strk | it seem the controller on my laptop don't use uhci |
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| 13:51.10 | strk | (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) |
| 13:51.10 | enouf | abrotman: mobos with PCI-Express - and yes quite silly -- even with Xeons :-p |
| 13:51.28 | pipeline | enouf: That's the PCI address space stuff biting you. |
| 13:51.28 | bgat | I'm wanting to set up my own partial mirror of the Debian etch repository. Is 'debmirror' the best tool for that? |
| 13:51.30 | strk | while UHCI is in use on the desktop, this seems to explain the difference |
| 13:51.36 | enouf | strk ; understood - no probv ;-) |
| 13:51.39 | pipeline | enouf: With PAE enabled, though, it's not a problem. |
| 13:51.56 | strk | the OHCI is Silicon Integrated Systems |
| 13:52.10 | strk | that's where I do need GPRS connection (my laptop) |
| 13:52.20 | pipeline | strk: SiS OHCI is infamously buggy. Have fun with that. |
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| 13:52.35 | strk | pipeline: chances that a new kernel fixes it ? |
| 13:52.38 | strk | I'm runnign 2.6.7 |
| 13:52.39 | enouf | strk ; I was going to say earlier : strk: Look in "/etc/modprobe.d/aliases" ..see if you have these in there [1]alias char-major-180-* usbcore [2]alias usbdevfs usbcore == and in "/etc/modutils/aliases" [1]alias char-major-180 usbcore [2] alias usbdevfs usbcore [3] |
| 13:53.15 | strk | enouf: I have no 'usbcore' in /etc/modules.conf |
| 13:53.22 | enouf | pipeline: yeah PAE ... what a dump :-) |
| 13:53.31 | strk | enouf: not on the laptop, but 2 entries in the desktop |
| 13:53.43 | strk | char-major-180 and usbdevfs |
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| 13:54.04 | enouf | strk: well same kernel and version in Both ?? -- you know what to do ;-) |
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| 13:55.08 | strk | 2.6.16-2-686 on desktop, 2.6.7 on laptop |
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| 13:55.52 | strk | enouf: please don't leave me alone :) I have to decide wheter to bring the phone back this afternoo |
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| 13:56.08 | strk | enouf: are you suggesting I upgrade kernel ? |
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| 13:57.07 | enouf | strk: sure...when i was on Sarge though, I think the latest was 2.6.8-3-686r?? |
| 13:57.15 | enouf | for x86 |
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| 13:57.36 | Alex | hi. ubuntu has this nice network configuration tool in gnome that makes setting wireless up very easy. any idea what package that is in? |
| 13:58.02 | enouf | strk: Is rthe Desktop Sarge backpiorted ? |
| 13:58.02 | strk | enouf: I'm with 3.1 |
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| 13:58.08 | azeem | Alex: network-manager et al. |
| 13:58.10 | enouf | strk: backported* |
| 13:58.20 | strk | enouf: Desktop is just dist-upgraded, but don't think that brings in a new kernel too |
| 13:58.41 | Alex | azeem: thanks a lot |
| 13:58.54 | strk | or maybe yes, as I'm not finding sources ... |
| 13:58.55 | skaramba | Could anyone please tell me how debian's package management works, it is binary/source. As you can see I have never used debain before. |
| 13:59.03 | enouf | strk: Sure it does -- you witnessed it -- you're on 2.6.16 on the Desktop -- and a "dist-upgrade" moved you up to Etch ;-) |
| 13:59.22 | strk | your right ! I have no traces of kernel sources around |
| 13:59.35 | strk | wow, I'm impressed, it even edited my manually edited lilo.conf ! |
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| 13:59.53 | skaramba | anyone wanna lend some knowledge? |
| 14:00.12 | Pryon | how about lending some research? |
| 14:00.16 | strk | I might dist-upgrade the laptop.. but I'm really afraid about doing it (I should leave for vacation in 1 day) |
| 14:00.30 | enouf | strk: depending on your needs -- it may not be that bad to moe up -- but beware of possible hotplug vs udev/hal and xfree86 vs Xorg conflicts |
| 14:00.43 | enouf | moe== moo == move |
| 14:00.44 | skaramba | Pryon, could you answer the question? |
| 14:00.53 | strk | not talking about manually installed ndiswrapper, w/out which I'd be offline |
| 14:01.09 | enouf | !moo |
| 14:01.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 14:01.24 | strk | better manual upgrade of kernel probably |
| 14:01.48 | enouf | moe + larry + curly + shemp == bwahahaha |
| 14:01.48 | skaramba | so no one wants to help me? |
| 14:01.54 | strk | 2.6.17.8 |
| 14:01.55 | enouf | strk: Yes |
| 14:02.10 | Pryon | skaramba: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 14:02.14 | enouf | strk: Oh ...why not try the 2.6.8-3-686 1st ?? |
| 14:02.15 | DocOC | skaramba: ask a more specific question, and I'll answer. |
| 14:02.29 | strk | enouf: .deb ? |
| 14:02.38 | skaramba | how much more specific can I be |
| 14:02.39 | skaramba | !!! |
| 14:02.40 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 14:02.46 | enouf | strk: ...custom kernel ? |
| 14:03.02 | strk | enouf: current one on laptop yes |
| 14:03.08 | DocOC | skaramba: alot more specific. What do you want to know about debian's package management system? |
| 14:03.13 | strk | enouf: 2.6.17.8 is current stable |
| 14:03.21 | skaramba | Could anyone please tell me how debian's package management works, it is binary/source. As you can see I have never used debain before. |
| 14:03.23 | strk | 2.6.8-3-686 is what ? |
| 14:03.27 | enouf | strk: otherwise just apt-cache search kerenl-image* |
| 14:03.58 | strk | enouf: right, 2.6.8-3-686 is there! |
| 14:04.03 | enouf | strk: I thought 2.6.8-3-686 was the latest for Stable/Sarge without using a Backported version |
| 14:04.27 | enouf | strk: go to it :-) |
| 14:04.32 | DocOC | skaramba: binary primarily. However, there are source packages for all of the binary packages, and there are some packages that are only source, such as specific kernel-module building packages. |
| 14:04.47 | strk | enouf: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 ? sure ? :'/ |
| 14:04.56 | skaramba | binary tends to get on my nerves |
| 14:05.04 | enouf | strk: NO...it's STABLE ;_) |
| 14:05.06 | skaramba | so that cancels out debian |
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| 14:05.18 | DocOC | skaramba: good. |
| 14:05.29 | k-man_ | why does gnome not remember my volume controll settings between sessions? |
| 14:05.34 | strk | ok, going for it - let's see what happen to my usbs |
| 14:05.35 | enouf | ^_^ <-- better stupid smilie |
| 14:05.53 | skaramba | as it seems the debian community also sucks |
| 14:05.57 | Pryon | DocOC: Any progress on your DRI problem? |
| 14:06.32 | DocOC | Pryon: hahah, progressed all the way to the point that I got the maintainer of the module to tell me he needs to work out some bugs... |
| 14:06.41 | fireba11 | skaramba what's your problem ? |
| 14:06.49 | Pryon | wow. At least you know it's "not your problem" :-) |
| 14:06.56 | strk | skaramba: it's pretty crowded in here, but people are giving help for free when they can, so don't be rude :) |
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| 14:07.11 | skaramba | fireba11, huh? |
| 14:07.11 | Pryon | fireba11: He's either trolling or looking to be spoonfed |
| 14:07.27 | enouf | skaramba: what's the problem ?? 'man apt-get' 'man apt-cache' 'man dpkg' 'man dpkg-reconfigure' |
| 14:07.30 | DocOC | Pryon: also got the pleasure of talking to some of the dri people directly. Very nice people. |
| 14:07.54 | skaramba | enouf, if I were debian, think! |
| 14:08.20 | enouf | skaramba: If I were on* debian ??? |
| 14:08.47 | stew | skaramba: debian provides both source and binary packages. the average user only uses the binary packages |
| 14:09.08 | enouf | skaramba: Google has links to ALL the stuff in the man pages |
| 14:09.27 | DocOC | enouf: the problem is that he *demanded* hand-holding, and I was foolish enough to comply with his demand, only to get insulted along with everyone who would not hold his hand. |
| 14:09.29 | Pryon | Also, the debian FAQ discusses your questions |
| 14:09.40 | stew | skaramba: most people only use "apt-get install" and "aptitude install" (or some similar tool) to install debian packages, these would install the binary packages, but for any binary package a source package is also available |
| 14:10.07 | skaramba | stew, and it puts the src where? |
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| 14:10.19 | enouf | DocOC...we know -- ok - just trying not to be overly harsh, but will not spoon-feed either ;-) |
| 14:10.24 | fireba11 | skaramba /usr/src... |
| 14:10.37 | stew | skaramba: it doesn't put the source anywhere, if you request the source with "apt-get source packagename" it puts the source into the pwd. /msg dpkg source |
| 14:10.48 | stew | fireba11: no |
| 14:10.59 | enouf | skaramba: You don;t GET the sourcve unless you wan it ...it's available in the *-dev libraries/pkgs |
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| 14:11.18 | stew | enouf: the -dev libraries are binary just like any other package |
| 14:11.23 | fireba11 | stew: kernel sources end up there ;-) ah well |
| 14:11.23 | enouf | stew: I hope I got that half-correct |
| 14:11.34 | enouf | stew: Oh -- Ok thanks |
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| 14:12.18 | strk | enouf: new kernel installed, apt didn't handle to add a block to lilo.conf despite he said it did, anyway... since it's reboot time, suggestions for boot params ? |
| 14:12.30 | DocOC | skaramba: I have found that most people who like to build everything from source, yet also want package management tend to be very happy with Gentoo |
| 14:12.58 | skaramba | DocOC, I use gentoo :) |
| 14:13.00 | fireba11 | stew: i dont really care though .. except for some kernel headers i don't need source sicne debian got a lot of people compiling packages taht know a lot more of what they do than i would :-) |
| 14:13.12 | enouf | strk:: dang ...I think you need to Lilo -r ??? ...shoot -- some option -- darnnit - my apologies if I goofed |
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| 14:13.16 | DaDave | hi all |
| 14:13.42 | fireba11 | DocOC: imho it's a waste of CPU time though :-) |
| 14:13.44 | strk | enouf: forget it, I'll just reboot and see what happens, see you later |
| 14:13.44 | DaDave | Does Anyone know a good tool or Word Template for a Server Documentation (for Administrators) with changelog etc... |
| 14:13.55 | enouf | strk:: I'd try it without any certain parameters 1st ;-) |
| 14:14.16 | DocOC | fireba11: mho agrees with yho, thus I run debian :) |
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| 14:16.21 | enouf | I forgot he was using lilo...:-( ...come back, reboot successfully ...y-a-y(?) <joins hands in prayer> |
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| 14:16.49 | stew | no matter what he is using, a kernel with no parameters wouldn't boot |
| 14:17.27 | DaDave | What do you people use to document changes you made on a server? |
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| 14:18.23 | ciduz | hi |
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| 14:19.00 | strk | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 didn't boot, maybe something related to initrd= ... how do I force reconfigure to closely read about lilo.conf updates warnings ? |
| 14:19.02 | enouf | stew: I meant no 'specific' boot parameters like 'pci=noapic' as we had discussed earlier ...still feels down... |
| 14:19.04 | fireba11 | DaDave liek document for your fellow admins i case you're on vacation ? |
| 14:19.18 | enouf | strk: I'll let others take over |
| 14:19.36 | ciduz | I got 2 questions: I'm planning to switch to debian from windows on my amdx2 64bit pc. For this reason, I want to install debian amd64 and also an fs which is quite easy to share with windows, for example for storing music and use it from both os'.. any idea which one is the best for this? |
| 14:19.46 | petemc | fat |
| 14:19.49 | DaDave | fireba11: yeah for exmaple. |
| 14:20.09 | ciduz | petemc: but I guess it is restrictes to 2,1 gb? |
| 14:20.11 | ciduz | isn't it? |
| 14:20.38 | strk | enouf: no time or don't know ? |
| 14:20.44 | stew | strk: if you installed a debian kernel, it also created an initrd in /boot/ and depending on your /etc/kernel-img.conf, it also created a initrd.img symlink in /. you will need an initrd=/initrd.img or initrd=/boot/initrd.img-$kernelversion if you are going to boot this kernel sucessfully (also /msg dpkg can't mount root) |
| 14:20.47 | fireba11 | DaDave: i just got a list with passwords, and a textsheed for each box with the important details .. also i'm backing up /etc and a updated package list for emergencies :-) |
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| 14:21.12 | strk | stew: I added initrd=/boot/initrd.img-.... |
| 14:21.14 | blackelf | can user JOHN start some X application as user FOO or in a chroot, for security reasons, or will that not work? and howto |
| 14:21.17 | enouf | stew : thanks |
| 14:21.21 | DaDave | fireba11: i'd like to have standarzied way of documenting server admin stuff... |
| 14:21.29 | strk | enouf: thank you :) |
| 14:21.31 | abrotman | ciduz: that's a windows restriction to limit fat filesystems to 4GB |
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| 14:21.39 | stew | strk: why wouldn't the kernel boot? did it give up with something like "VFS: can't mount root"? |
| 14:21.46 | enouf | strk: I have time, just don't want to make it any worse for you ... |
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| 14:22.03 | strk | stew: actually, it seems to boot, but after switching monitor frequency (fb) I don't see anything |
| 14:22.21 | abrotman | ciduz: you can read ext2/3 partitions from windows with an addon |
| 14:22.28 | strk | stew: might also wait some more and see if it's just much slower then the current one (no error messages!) |
| 14:22.34 | fireba11 | DaDave: well my sheet is sort of standardized .. but not really extensive .. also i'm not documenting every change sidn i'm the only admin here |
| 14:22.39 | ZataH | abrotman: but i doesn`t work well |
| 14:22.45 | ciduz | abrotman? which kind of addon? a samba client? |
| 14:22.47 | strk | stew: note that current initrd is a custom one, maybe it's really needed: /boot/DSDT.aml |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | ZataH: i've never used it .. i just know it exists |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 14:22.52 | dpkg | explore2fs is, like, a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 14:23.20 | strk | stew: could the old initrd work with the new kernel ? |
| 14:23.21 | stew | strk: that's /etc/init.d/console-tools, that is messing with your framebuffer, you either want to configure it in /etc/console-tools/ or disable the init script |
| 14:23.26 | ZataH | i tryed once, but i have never get it to work nice. so i mount fat32 in linux, when i have some files i have to use in linux and windows |
| 14:23.38 | strk | stew: but I haven't updated console-tools, just installed the new kernel |
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| 14:23.45 | ciduz | ah, okay.. but I guess, when creating a fat partition, it could probably be larger than 2gigs from linux, but not from windows. Is that correct? |
| 14:23.52 | enouf | stew: FWIW - he's on an Acer Laptop, using Sarge -- had 2.6.7.x kernel prior to this - obviously using LiLo, and upgraded to 2.6.8-3-686 (latest Sarge?) |
| 14:23.57 | DaDave | fireba11: may i see the structure of your sheet? |
| 14:24.16 | ZataH | abrotman: fat32 is very much better in linux, than it is in windows. |
| 14:24.17 | strk | enouf, stew: I'm on ASUS L5800C |
| 14:24.25 | strk | debian 3.1 |
| 14:24.25 | abrotman | ZataH: duh ... MS wants it to go away :) |
| 14:24.29 | enouf | stew: I don't think we did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade prior though |
| 14:24.38 | ZataH | abrotman: yea, MS sux 2TM :P |
| 14:24.46 | strk | stew: no, we didn't apt-get update |
| 14:24.51 | stew | strk: well console-tools is an init script that runs halfway through the boot process that could cause exactly the symptoms you are describing |
| 14:24.53 | strk | nor upgrade, I'm trying to stick to 'stable' |
| 14:25.00 | enouf | knocks himself in the head for forgetting that too |
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| 14:25.12 | ZataH | anyone who use debian 3.1 ? |
| 14:25.13 | zood | When I run a certain program under wine, certain functions are unavailable. I suspect that some dll may be missing. How could I determine if this is right? (sorry to pollute the channel with talk of dll's ;) |
| 14:25.13 | ciduz | ah..okay..so fat32 is supported as well? As far as I remember, it supports more than 2gigs as well from windows, doesn't it? |
| 14:25.50 | stew | ZataH: probably most people here do. if you have a real question just ask it |
| 14:25.51 | strk | stew: a quick way to disable leaving control to debian admin tools ? (init-update or something, can't remember) |
| 14:25.55 | pipeline | ciduz, ZataH : FAT32/vFAT under Windows can read *any* FAT volume. The catch is that the Windows FAT tools will not *create* a volume that is greater than 32G or 128G or some arbitrary limit. |
| 14:26.02 | ZataH | ciduz: i have a 160GB disk, and it is FAT32 and i use it in Windows and linux, without any problems |
| 14:26.03 | strk | stew: to disable console-tools I mean |
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| 14:26.09 | stew | strk: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 14:26.16 | abrotman | pipeline: i thought it was 4GB .. or maybe that's a file .. |
| 14:26.21 | eleftherios | hm, not only the built-in SD card reader does not work but after some searching, I can't find the name of a SD card reader device that is reported to work so I can buy one... |
| 14:26.29 | ciduz | ZataH: fine, that's exactly the thing I wanted to hear :) |
| 14:26.29 | ZataH | stew: hos much different are there between Ubuntu 6.06 and Debian 3.31 ? |
| 14:26.32 | pipeline | abrotman: The filesize limit is real and problematic. |
| 14:26.45 | ciduz | I got 400gigs here..so let's see.. but I guess the windows share won't be that large. |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | pipeline: not if you don't use fat32! |
| 14:26.46 | pipeline | ZataH: Six months. |
| 14:26.48 | stew | strk: you could also try passing a vga= parameter to your kernel. 'hwinfo --framebuffer" should list some available modes |
| 14:26.52 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, I don't. |
| 14:26.54 | ZataH | pipeline: what ? |
| 14:26.56 | pipeline | abrotman: I only have windows inside VMs. |
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| 14:27.10 | pipeline | ZataH: Ubuntu forks debian periodically, adds their own custom gnome packages, and leaves the rest of the tree to rot :) |
| 14:27.14 | fireba11 | DaDave: it's actually quite simple .. it hot a head block with hostname, IP and task of the box .. then a part with basic hardware specs like CPU speed, ram, HD size ... then a list of installed packages (im my case installed more than basic install and my "usual" list like ntp and monitoring tools) .. and then somtimes some notes about special things on that box .. like on a backup system how to get it online |
| 14:27.23 | ciduz | So there comes the second question: I'm using a gefore 7800gt. When installing open x window, is it possible to use this graphic card, or wheren can I get to know more about this? |
| 14:27.29 | strk | stew: vga = 791 <--- current settin (it worked fine with 2.6.7) |
| 14:27.31 | ZataH | so debian is realy much like debian ? |
| 14:27.38 | ciduz | I guess nvidia released a driver for it. |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | !tell ciduz about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:27.41 | enouf | pipeline: Default XP CD will not allow creation of FAT32 over 32GB, but it's not a FileSystem limitation - plus any other win98 CD can create larger FAT32 partitions |
| 14:27.51 | ZataH | i am dl debian right now, so i give it a try |
| 14:27.54 | strk | stew: don't have hwinfo |
| 14:28.01 | abrotman | ZataH: yes .. debian is like debian :) |
| 14:28.10 | ZataH | so ubuntu is realy much like debian ? |
| 14:28.11 | ZataH | sorry |
| 14:28.12 | pipeline | enouf: Well, it IS a limitation of sorts. FAT32 over 32GB "shouldn't" work. Some things will flip the fuck out upon seeing such a filesystem. |
| 14:28.16 | stew | ZataH: you mean debian 3.1? 3.31 isn't an exiting release |
| 14:28.17 | pipeline | ZataH: Well, it's always horribly out of date. |
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| 14:28.27 | ZataH | stew: 3.31 |
| 14:28.37 | ZataH | pipeline: what do you mean ? |
| 14:28.38 | stew | ZataH: that is not an existing debian version |
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| 14:28.46 | abrotman | ZataH: the stable release of debian(sarge) was released about a year ago ... |
| 14:28.54 | stew | ZataH: there is 3.0 which is no longer supported or 3.1 which is the current stable |
| 14:28.55 | ZataH | 3.1 |
| 14:29.03 | ciduz | hey..thanks abrotman. |
| 14:29.09 | pipeline | ZataH: I mean Ubuntu is worthless. |
| 14:29.17 | ZataH | is it a year old ? |
| 14:29.18 | ZataH | wtf |
| 14:29.24 | strk | stew: hwinfo --framebuffer contains modes in the form of : Mode 0x0344: 1400x1050 (+5600), 32 bits |
| 14:29.27 | abrotman | ZataH: that's the way debian/stable works |
| 14:29.30 | enouf | pipeline: I understand and am not recommn\ending it at all - I'm just saying what's up |
| 14:29.31 | abrotman | !releases |
| 14:29.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 14:29.36 | strk | does it mean '791' is not expressed as such with the new kernel ? |
| 14:29.38 | stew | ZataH: 3.1 was release over a year ago, its packages were frozen a few months before that |
| 14:29.41 | ZataH | yea, i think ubuntu is newb, and i want to try debian |
| 14:30.13 | strk | stew: I'll go vga = ask and try again, sounds good ? |
| 14:30.14 | enouf | pipeline: FAT32 DOES have a 2GB limit of File SZWE on legacy OSes, and 4GB on others ....period |
| 14:30.18 | stew | strk: no, if 791 wasn't working then you'd see nothing while the kernel was booting |
| 14:30.28 | enouf | s/SZWE/SIZE |
| 14:30.34 | strk | stew: 791 *was* working with 2.6.7 ! |
| 14:30.34 | stew | strk: you need to configure /etc/console-tools/ or disable it |
| 14:30.40 | stew | strk: and it's working now |
| 14:30.48 | strk | yes, I'm on 2.6.7 now, and it's working |
| 14:31.01 | stew | strk: otherwise you would see only the initrd unpacking you'd see none of the boot process |
| 14:31.04 | blackelf | Im on weed now |
| 14:31.10 | strk | I just changed 'image' and 'initrd' in the lilo.conf block |
| 14:31.13 | blackelf | wooo... can't.. make.. hands.. reach |
| 14:31.18 | enouf | pipeline: sorry that came off as argumentative, when I didn't mean it that way ata all ... |
| 14:31.51 | strk | stew: so, you still suggest to disable console-tools ? (init.d doesn't contain console-tools, just console-screen.sh, in rc.d) |
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| 14:32.19 | stew | strk: i meant console-screen.sh |
| 14:32.32 | stew | strk: which is configured in /etc/console-tools/ |
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| 14:32.36 | strk | I need to force disabling of it |
| 14:32.37 | DaDave | fireba11: thanks |
| 14:33.57 | omis | hi! i want to make a new root and mount it on /mnt. i have 30gb free on hda4 (mounted as current /home). can build a new root from that one? |
| 14:34.00 | enouf | strk: come back |
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| 14:34.27 | omis | i also need another /home to mount in /mnt. |
| 14:34.48 | blondie | another /home ? |
| 14:35.02 | omis | yes for gentoo |
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| 14:35.34 | omis | or can i mount my current /home that i use now in ubuntu? :) |
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| 14:37.07 | looris | do somebody know how to enable short-url in mediawiki? i tried following the instructions, but failed |
| 14:37.53 | DocOC | omis: you could, but you might have to adjust your passwd file manually with the vipw command. |
| 14:38.19 | omis | oki |
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| 14:39.54 | DocOC | omis: if you need to make new partitions from existing ones which have free space, you want to read all the documentation on the parted utility. |
| 14:40.35 | omis | oki, i was trying to make a new one whit cfdisk. but no sucsess |
| 14:40.48 | DocOC | omis: word of warning: what you are trying to do could destroy all your data, so back everything up before you proceed. |
| 14:41.22 | omis | i just reinstalled, so its okey |
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| 14:42.24 | omis | /dev/hda4 743 4864 33109965 83 Linux |
| 14:42.31 | omis | this one.. |
| 14:42.31 | enouf | phone wouldn't work via it's USB 1.1 interface with the Laptop's 2.0 capable one |
| 14:42.49 | omis | can i create a new root on this one? |
| 14:42.59 | omis | whit cfdisk that is. |
| 14:43.23 | DocOC | omis: no, cfdisk can only create new partitions from unpartitioned space. |
| 14:43.49 | omis | ah ok.. thats why i fail :P |
| 14:44.10 | omis | DocOC: any other app that i can use? |
| 14:44.25 | DocOC | omis: parted. |
| 14:44.49 | omis | ah ok. got it |
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| 14:47.08 | strk | stew: tragedy... the problem was ramdisk size (too low) I raised it and tried again, and it freezes after mounting root (cramsf) and showing ide0 and ide1 detections |
| 14:47.34 | strk | stew: after reboot with the old kernel, the computer turns off after lots of advancement in the boot sequence :'~~ |
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| 14:47.41 | SpeedyG | great, hdd crash without proper backup... got a new one, what would be a good partitioning scheme? |
| 14:47.47 | SpeedyG | any ideas? |
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| 14:47.54 | strk | stew: I'm talking from the desktop machine now, the laptop seems unusable atm |
| 14:48.05 | SpeedyG | 30GB reserved for OS and crap like that |
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| 14:51.15 | strk | stew: good news, it started again (maybe it was too worm) |
| 14:51.24 | strk | stew: back to 2.6.7, summary of 2.6.8 test is: |
| 14:51.30 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.03 | ciduz | okay..good-bye. thanks for the support. |
| 14:52.04 | enouf | strk: I recall some ngs discussing 'whenever one ugrades the kernel to do a 'lilo -r' (or similar) before rebooting -- that's all i can recall -- apologies.. <wanders over to google> |
| 14:53.23 | blondie | how do you get a script to start at boot? something in /etc which I can never remember... |
| 14:53.39 | blondie | the install program for something did: |
| 14:53.40 | blondie | Failed to link '/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S99netvault' to '/usr/local/netvault/etc/startup.sh' |
| 14:53.51 | blondie | what's the debian equivalent? |
| 14:54.36 | strk | tried again (lilo -r done) - vga 791 is ok |
| 14:54.50 | strk | problem is still that after ide0 and ide1 lines it freezes and I have to hard-shutdown |
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| 15:00.32 | runa | hey :) does anyone has experience with novell's apparmor and debian? |
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| 15:00.49 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 15:01.22 | DocOC | strk: look in /var/log/dmesg.0 and see what caused the freeze. |
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| 15:02.17 | Vituz | /dev/hda: |
| 15:02.17 | Vituz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.17 | Vituz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.17 | Vituz | DirtTrip:/home# |
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| 15:02.28 | Vituz | wrong channel |
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| 15:02.42 | strk | DocOC, last line says Aug 7 15:04:20 lo kernel: usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 15:02.45 | strk | Aug 7 15:04:21 lo kernel: usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 15:02.48 | strk | Aug 7 15:04:21 lo kernel: usb 2-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
| 15:02.51 | strk | Oops, sorry: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 15:03.06 | strk | DocOC: no clean problem found in that file |
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| 15:03.56 | M0E-lnx | how come debian does not include a root account? |
| 15:04.11 | petemc | huh? |
| 15:04.14 | SpeedyG | it does |
| 15:04.24 | M0E-lnx | mmm |
| 15:04.34 | M0E-lnx | I just installed it last night... |
| 15:04.37 | SpeedyG | it's ubuntu that usually doesnt |
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| 15:04.39 | DocOC | strk: could you pastebin your lilo.conf please? |
| 15:05.08 | M0E-lnx | ohh that must be it then... |
| 15:05.19 | DocOC | M0E-lnx: no linux system will even run without a root account. |
| 15:05.31 | M0E-lnx | If I download debian.... how many images do I need to dload? |
| 15:05.48 | SpeedyG | I usually have one |
| 15:05.55 | M0E-lnx | which one? |
| 15:06.02 | M0E-lnx | there is like 13 of them listed |
| 15:06.06 | DocOC | M0E-lnx: as many as you want. You can even install over the network using a 2 floppy set. |
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| 15:06.18 | ramiroec | is there a command to generate traffic storm (high traffic) ? |
| 15:06.26 | M0E-lnx | well, I'm trying to stick to the good onld cd install |
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| 15:06.59 | DocOC | ramiroec: umm, do you want to create overwhelming traffic between 2 hosts you own over a network you own? |
| 15:07.07 | random | Wow |
| 15:07.20 | random | This IRC server is so populate |
| 15:07.21 | random | .. |
| 15:07.32 | SpeedyG | yeah, and not just random visitors ;) |
| 15:07.34 | ramiroec | DocOC : exactly |
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| 15:07.41 | ramiroec | DocOC : exactly |
| 15:07.52 | DocOC | ramiroec: ping -f |
| 15:07.58 | M0E-lnx | so if I just pick any one of these images, and boot it, it contains an install? |
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| 15:08.10 | random | What you know about undernet IRC servers?:D |
| 15:08.20 | random | The biggest |
| 15:08.22 | M0E-lnx | for instance http://mirros.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:08.27 | M0E-lnx | has like 14 of them |
| 15:08.35 | strk | enouf: do you think I could have more luck with an USB2.0 device ? (bringing back the phone to store) |
| 15:08.45 | strk | that'd use EHCI instead of OHCI, right ? |
| 15:09.16 | SpeedyG | anyone know what to do about 'drive not ready for command' msgs ? |
| 15:09.28 | enouf | strk: I don't think that's the issue -- and any 1.1 device should be working |
| 15:09.51 | strk | enouf: "should" :) |
| 15:10.16 | stew | SpeedyG: "DriveReady SeekComplete"? |
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| 15:10.24 | SpeedyG | nope, havent seen that one yet |
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| 15:10.35 | stew | SpeedyG: what exactly are you seeing? |
| 15:10.36 | random | Hey from wich country are you people? |
| 15:10.41 | DocOC | M0E-lnx: either *binary-1* or *netinst* if you want to do a network install. |
| 15:10.45 | Ronin | random: a lot of different ones |
| 15:10.50 | SpeedyG | a dozen msg hde/hdf: drive not ready for comman |
| 15:10.55 | SpeedyG | d |
| 15:11.01 | M0E-lnx | ok.. binary-1. thanks... |
| 15:11.05 | random | :D |
| 15:11.05 | SpeedyG | nothing more, nothing less |
| 15:11.14 | SpeedyG | (it's while booting a knoppix disk btw) |
| 15:11.17 | enouf | strk: I was sating uhci_hcd of instead ohci, and ehci (Open/Enhanced Host Controller Interface), but - it seems those supercede uhci_hcd -- just not sure at this time |
| 15:11.26 | random | I`m from Romania |
| 15:11.34 | random | Heard about it? |
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| 15:11.35 | enouf | stating* |
| 15:11.42 | stew | random: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 15:11.53 | stew | SpeedyG: do you get the same with debian? |
| 15:11.57 | strk | enouf: my USB controller are ohci-bound (lspci -v says) |
| 15:12.03 | SpeedyG | havent found a deb-live disk yet |
| 15:12.07 | SpeedyG | found/burned |
| 15:12.08 | random | stew should I? |
| 15:12.08 | stew | SpeedyG: there isn't one |
| 15:12.24 | SpeedyG | but I had these problems with my debian box |
| 15:12.30 | enouf | strk: okie ;-) |
| 15:12.32 | SpeedyG | before the disk I just pulled out died |
| 15:12.33 | DocOC | random: this is a debian help channel. |
| 15:12.37 | SpeedyG | (hda) |
| 15:12.48 | stew | SpeedyG: where do you see those error messages? |
| 15:12.51 | random | DocOC sure, it has no sugar:) |
| 15:13.02 | SpeedyG | everywhere (commandline) |
| 15:13.06 | SpeedyG | at random moments |
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| 15:13.20 | strk | enouf: I'm bringing that phone back to store, any suggestion on what to buy for "plug and play" ? :> |
| 15:13.32 | strk | (need GPRS internet connection) |
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| 15:13.52 | random | Ronin u wish (: |
| 15:13.53 | enouf | strk: I still wouldn't give up till knowing for sure about 'usb_storage' - jsut to follow through. You know, Ive used modconf to list/install/uninstall all the kerenl modules, but I have no clue if it's even available for Sarge |
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| 15:14.27 | enouf | strk: soory - I do have a decent cell, but I don't do all that interconnectivity stuff |
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| 15:14.50 | DanBrwn | getting errors on login as su, sid, unstable. unknow item FAIL_DELAY , etc.. How to remove errors |
| 15:15.05 | C | :D |
| 15:15.21 | ramiroec | is there a command to generate traffic storm (high traffic) ? rude ? |
| 15:15.28 | SpeedyG | ramiroec: ping -f |
| 15:15.34 | enouf | is stilll looking for Debian LiLo 2.6.8-3-686 type answers -- I found _some_stuff just not exacting |
| 15:15.39 | SpeedyG | as said before |
| 15:15.40 | blondie | C: stop being a tard |
| 15:15.41 | [SA]Islo | I have a problem, I am running Sarge with the 2.6.16-2-xen-amd64 kernel from backports.org, and trying to use multipathd for my san storage, however the devices don't get created in /dev/mapper |
| 15:15.59 | ramiroec | SpeedyG : how to use "ping -f" ? |
| 15:16.03 | SpeedyG | man ping |
| 15:16.07 | [SA]Islo | anyone have any idea why this might be happening? |
| 15:16.13 | random | blondie i love u |
| 15:16.15 | stew | random: if you don't have anything debian related, please move on |
| 15:16.16 | random | If u are a grl |
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| 15:16.33 | SpeedyG | ghe :) |
| 15:16.42 | Ronin | i was about to say stew save the keystroks and +b :) |
| 15:16.43 | enouf | strk: have a gander at this http://www.beeblebrox.nu/~zap/linux/asusl5800c.html |
| 15:17.10 | blondie | what's the "proper" way of creating symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/ ? |
| 15:17.36 | [SA]Islo | anyone? or is there a more appropriate channel for udev/dm/multipath things? |
| 15:18.01 | hjubal | ciao ciao |
| 15:18.38 | DanBrwn | need help with configuration error when login as SU, unknow items errors |
| 15:20.19 | SpeedyG | anyone have a nice guide for partitioning schemes? |
| 15:20.38 | DanBrwn | Where is the configuration for SU stored? |
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| 15:20.51 | blondie | DanBrwn: what do you mean? |
| 15:21.26 | DanBrwn | there is a file somewhere that has configuration info for the super user right? |
| 15:21.39 | stew | DanBrwn: what kind of configuration? |
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| 15:22.07 | stew | DanBrwn: there are the dotfiles in /root |
| 15:22.17 | DanBrwn | stew: whatever configuration is called when you login as the root |
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| 15:22.28 | stew | DanBrwn: what do you want to configure? |
| 15:23.17 | DanBrwn | I am getting configuration errors when I log in as SU, unknown Item QUOTAS_ENAB, NOLOGIN_STR, etc.... |
| 15:23.39 | stew | DanBrwn: check root's dotfiles: |
| 15:23.43 | stew | !wikifaq DanBrwn DotFiles |
| 15:23.44 | dpkg | DanBrwn: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:24.14 | SpeedyG | stew: do you have something like that for partitioning schemes as well? :) |
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| 15:24.25 | DanBrwn | thanks will do |
| 15:24.33 | [SA]Islo | hey, can anyone help me with my above question? |
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| 15:24.46 | stew | SpeedyG: no. what do you need to know about partitioning schemes? |
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| 15:25.08 | SpeedyG | I wanna know if there's some sort of standard for partitioning a server |
| 15:25.19 | stew | there is not |
| 15:25.22 | SpeedyG | hmz, there should be ;) |
| 15:26.13 | SpeedyG | something like this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=4 |
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| 15:27.09 | DocOC | blondie: update-rc.d |
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| 15:28.34 | blondie | DocOC: thanks |
| 15:29.02 | [SA]Islo | clearly not only does no one here know an answer but no one can even provide the courtesy of responding |
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| 15:29.22 | [SA]Islo | typical linux |
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| 15:29.45 | SpeedyG | [SA]Islo: do you know the answer to my question stated before? |
| 15:30.08 | enouf | blondie: have you tried the pkg 'sysv-rc-conf' at all? |
| 15:30.10 | stew | [SA]Islo: do have the dm_mod kenrel module loaded? |
| 15:30.12 | [SA]Islo | SpeedyG: You mean about partitioning schemes? |
| 15:30.24 | SpeedyG | [SA]Islo: no the one before that ;P |
| 15:30.25 | [SA]Islo | stew: yes |
| 15:30.30 | blondie | [SA]Islo: do you want everyone in here to answer "I don't know"? there's several hundred people |
| 15:30.45 | blondie | enouf: nope, but I did what DocOC said :) |
| 15:30.53 | [SA]Islo | SpeedyG: that's the only one I have |
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| 15:31.17 | [SA]Islo | blondie: no but at least one I don't know for the entire group would be nice, or perhaps a pointer into the direction of a different channel |
| 15:31.25 | enouf | blondie: ahh ...got some articles for ya - hold on ...BTW is this still if-pre-up related ? |
| 15:31.33 | blondie | enouf: no ;) |
| 15:31.37 | blondie | completely different machine :) |
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| 15:31.52 | blondie | [SA]Islo: no-one here speaks for everyone |
| 15:32.01 | enouf | blondie: ahh ...ok -- check it http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 15:32.33 | enouf | blondie: and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ |
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| 15:32.38 | blondie | enouf: was it you who had that URL to a page with "paranoid" security measures on? |
| 15:32.50 | SpeedyG | blondie: perhaps the channel should contain a bot, that as soon as it sees a questionmark, starts a timer.. and if not answerd within 5 minutes.. it states '$nick we have no clue' ;) |
| 15:33.00 | [SA]Islo | blondie: Ironically now you are |
| 15:33.01 | enouf | blondie: No - i think that was rocy_ |
| 15:33.06 | blondie | SpeedyG: haha |
| 15:33.10 | enouf | blondie: roxy_* |
| 15:33.20 | blondie | hmm ok thanks, I'll grep my logs accordingly |
| 15:33.26 | blondie | well, SELECT from my log db c.c |
| 15:34.23 | enouf | blondie: you mean the chattr -i on /usr/bin, /usr/sbin paranoia? |
| 15:34.33 | stew | [SA]Islo: are you running udev? |
| 15:34.39 | [SA]Islo | stew: yep |
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| 15:34.47 | ruffy | hey all |
| 15:34.56 | mutante_ | jo |
| 15:35.10 | ruffy | whats the apt-get command to list all alsa packages and libs |
| 15:35.13 | ruffy | ? |
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| 15:35.24 | houn | Hello #debian |
| 15:35.30 | DocOC | [SA]Islo: this is a busy channel. Often questions don't get answered because the person who knows the answer is busy helping someone else. Be patient and restate your question politely after a reasonable wait. It appears stew is trying to help you. Listen to him, he has tremendous clue, and be nice to him, with tremendous clue comes tremendous power. |
| 15:36.00 | houn | Question: If you have a script that exports variables, should those variables persist once the script completes? How do you make them do so? |
| 15:36.25 | DanBrwn | anyone know what login.defs and login.defs.dpkg-dist are for |
| 15:36.26 | stew | [SA]Islo: does your vg get listed by vgscan? |
| 15:36.38 | blondie | DocOC: and with that power, comes tremendous responsibility! |
| 15:36.45 | [SA]Islo | well now that's LVM-talk, and all I want is for multipathd to work |
| 15:37.03 | blondie | enouf: yes, but also other amusing things |
| 15:37.16 | [SA]Islo | stew: so, no, I haven't even bothered with LVM yet since I don't have a volume to pvcreate |
| 15:37.21 | blondie | "Play with UTP cabling in a way that you cut 2 or 4 wires and make the cable one-way traffic only." |
| 15:38.10 | stew | [SA]Islo: oh, wait, what are you expecting to show up in /dev/mapper? |
| 15:38.35 | mikefoo | Anything other then nagios out there for monitoring nowadays? |
| 15:39.22 | [SA]Islo | stew: well, as I understand this, I start multipathd and a pointer to my LUN through the multipath system will show up in /dev/mapper |
| 15:39.30 | [SA]Islo | stew: then I can pvcreate it or what have you |
| 15:39.31 | houn | I'm trying to set up openvpn (specifically the easy-rsa portion), but the second script, clean-all, depends on exported variables from vars, which seem to stop existing after vars completes. |
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| 15:41.53 | DocOC | houn: you can set those vars on the command-line before the execution of the script if you don't want the vars to persist after the exectution of that script, or you could export them from your .bash_profile (assuming you use bash) if you do want the vars to persist. |
| 15:42.40 | DocOC | mikefoo: is there something you want to be able to do that nagios doesn't do? |
| 15:42.45 | enouf | blondie: ahhh... |
| 15:43.40 | enouf | blondie: The good ol' play w/cables thingy -- I recall that :-p |
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| 15:46.31 | DanBrwn | how to save file in vim |
| 15:46.41 | enouf | strk: how's it going? how are you doing? -- are you against trying grub instead? (though I can't say that'll fix anything) and from what I've read about that certain lappy ...umm ..well, you know |
| 15:46.42 | SpeedyG | :wq |
| 15:46.51 | SpeedyG | DanBrwn: ^ |
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| 15:47.38 | enouf | SpeedyG: doesn't visudo use Shift+ZZ or something? |
| 15:47.53 | petemc | no |
| 15:48.04 | SpeedyG | not that I know :) |
| 15:48.09 | enouf | petemc: moi ? |
| 15:48.14 | petemc | oui |
| 15:48.17 | DocOC | enouf: both work. |
| 15:48.38 | enouf | DocOC: I know I'm not that nuts! ...thanks |
| 15:49.16 | enouf | DocOC: I mean that's a huge dioff between 'shift+ZZ' and ':wq' |
| 15:49.24 | enouf | diff* |
| 15:50.09 | DocOC | I prefer :qw because I never end up suspending the program by accident that way :) |
| 15:50.29 | DocOC | s/\:qw/\:wq/ |
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| 15:54.03 | roxy_ | enouf: I implemented the chattr +i , atm it works well :-) |
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| 15:54.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.33 | enouf | !prize roxy_ |
| 15:54.38 | enouf | drats |
| 15:54.51 | cydork | enouf: actully it's easy that way , w for write and q for quit |
| 15:54.52 | enouf | I wanted better for you |
| 15:55.01 | sussudio | %win enouf |
| 15:55.01 | badgers | Congratulations, enouf! You have won the US presidency! |
| 15:55.24 | enouf | cydork: ahh ...<soaks up guru typehints for brain storage> |
| 15:55.29 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 15:57.52 | cydork | enouf, :) |
| 15:57.53 | enouf | sussudio: ...gee thanks :-] can I collect my oil inheritance now ? :-p |
| 15:58.09 | DocOC | enouf: cryptic syntax is what makes vi so great ;-) |
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| 15:58.26 | enouf | roxy_: maybe a pony would be nice ? |
| 15:58.32 | [SA]Islo | stew: am I way off? |
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| 15:58.53 | enouf | DocOC: It figures -- and it'll grow on me -- just slowly .. |
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| 15:59.06 | stew | [SA]Islo: i dont' know about multipathd, i was unaware that anything besides lvm managed stuff goes in /dev/mapper |
| 15:59.22 | [SA]Islo | stew: ok, thanks |
| 15:59.28 | roxy_ | enouf: someone to get scim and skim working would be the best :-) |
| 16:00.03 | enouf | roxy_: never heard of them -- pico and nano seem like they'll do for now |
| 16:00.33 | enouf | roxy_: but with ver 18000 pkgs there's lots I haven't yet heard of |
| 16:00.41 | enouf | over* |
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| 16:00.45 | Vituz | uhmm theres no package for mplayer? |
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| 16:00.59 | roxy_ | enouf: it is a package to write japanese,korean,chinese.... |
| 16:01.14 | streuner___ | Vituz: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 16:01.15 | stew | Vituz: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 16:01.19 | Vituz | uh right |
| 16:01.19 | enouf | Vituz: yeah .. but which Debian version are you using ? |
| 16:01.25 | Vituz | sarge |
| 16:01.29 | Vituz | nm Ill figure it out :P |
| 16:01.33 | Vituz | thx |
| 16:01.35 | enouf | roxy_: ahhh I see UTF-8 :-) |
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| 16:01.59 | enouf | Vituz: I think backports for that |
| 16:02.06 | enouf | !mplayer |
| 16:02.06 | dpkg | [mplayer] not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:02.07 | streuner___ | no |
| 16:02.26 | diilbertAtWork | What does it mean when no sd* devices are showing up in /dev ? I am trying to access a usb device ... |
| 16:02.34 | Vituz | ill just use vlc for now |
| 16:02.42 | enouf | steuner___: me ...bah who else |
| 16:03.08 | streuner___ | diibertAtWork: modprobe scsi-emulation module |
| 16:04.55 | stew | diilbertAtWork: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:05.09 | stew | diilbertAtWork: and /msg dpkg usb-storate |
| 16:05.13 | stew | err usb-storage |
| 16:05.25 | streuner___ | !usb storage |
| 16:05.25 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 16:05.55 | diilbertAtWork | streuner___: FATAL: Module scsi_emulation not found. |
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| 16:06.13 | streuner___ | hm |
| 16:06.18 | diilbertAtWork | stew: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:06.20 | streuner___ | read the factoid |
| 16:06.26 | stew | diilbertAtWork: what dpkg just said then |
| 16:06.26 | SpeedyG | what to choose, xserver-xfree or xorg.conf? |
| 16:06.32 | SpeedyG | what would be a sane choice? |
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| 16:06.58 | stew | SpeedyG: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:07.24 | SpeedyG | latest net-install disk |
| 16:07.32 | SpeedyG | just downloaded from debian.org, still installing |
| 16:07.55 | cydork | SpeedyG, but still with version did you download?? |
| 16:07.58 | stew | SpeedyG: the stable version? it has xfree86, not xorg, which is a fine choice for most |
| 16:08.05 | SpeedyG | yeah, stable version :) |
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| 16:08.46 | diilbertAtWork | How do I "Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules" |
| 16:09.05 | cydork | diilbertAtWork, modprobe |
| 16:09.13 | mikefoo | question, I have a hardware raided machine with four drives.. so when I install do I just install on one drive and raid will copy everything over? |
| 16:09.15 | stew | diilbertAtWork: "modprobe usb-storage ; modprobe sd_mod" |
| 16:09.16 | blackelf_ | if I apt-get source foo, and I fix something in foo's source then how to build a new .deb and install it? but install it for real, not into /usr/local |
| 16:09.23 | stew | diilbertAtWork: if you want them automatically loaded at boot, list them in /etc/modules |
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| 16:10.06 | blackelf_ | please write what exacly to type when I am standing in ./ dir with FOO sources (apt-get source) to make a .deb and install it? (I am in middle of thunderstorm and have to disconnect in a minute0 |
| 16:10.07 | stew | blackelf_: apt-get buid-dep packagename ; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 16:10.35 | stew | blackelf_: that is assuming you have cd'ed into the source directory first (cd packagename-version) |
| 16:10.37 | blackelf_ | stew: I want to build and install that fixed pack into my main system to really use it (not in a fake root to test it out) |
| 16:11.05 | stew | blackelf_: yes, fakeroot just allows your user to create the deb which contains files not owned by your user |
| 16:11.07 | stew | blackelf_: that will create new debs in .. |
| 16:11.12 | diilbertAtWork | stew: HOw can I tell if they are already loaded |
| 16:11.16 | diilbertAtWork | lsmod U8 |
| 16:11.19 | diilbertAtWork | oops |
| 16:11.45 | blackelf_ | stew: that willl create a .deb that will be installable with dpkg -i ? and it will install normally, not to some /usr/LOCAL/ ? |
| 16:11.48 | stew | diilbertAtWork: yes, with lsmod |
| 16:11.53 | stew | blackelf_: correct |
| 16:12.01 | diilbertAtWork | They both already should up |
| 16:12.15 | diilbertAtWork | But there are no sd* in the /dev foldert |
| 16:12.16 | blackelf_ | also after apt-get source there are some .diff and .gz things beside the directory, I do not have to apply this patch, it is already takn care of? |
| 16:12.20 | diilbertAtWork | *folder |
| 16:12.27 | stew | blackelf_: you may wish to bump the version number with "dch --nmu", and you may want to put the package on hold so it won't be upgraded thereby losing your changes, /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:12.37 | stew | blackelf_: yes, it was taken care of |
| 16:12.58 | blackelf_ | stew: I am adding svn capability to rssh utiity, I tink I will propose it as a patch |
| 16:13.31 | blackelf_ | rssh can limit shell to using rsync,ftp,cvs but they didnt thought of svn |
| 16:13.37 | blackelf_ | ok thaks, got to go |
| 16:14.20 | stew | blackelf_: submit a wishlist bug to the rssh package, /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 16:18.54 | diilbertAtWork | stew: I guess it does work... My pen drive works... I am trying to get my card reader to mount... If I do a dmesg when I plug it in I get: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using address 4 and that is it |
| 16:18.59 | diilbertAtWork | Any one have any clues ? |
| 16:19.37 | stew | diilbertAtWork: you don't see it being assigned a "/dev/sdb" or anything? |
| 16:20.26 | thelostbutler | during an ssh session that i have with a remote system. debug2: channel 0: window 32576 sent adjust 32960 can some please point to docs/info which i read to understand what that means |
| 16:20.48 | thelostbutler | those messages started to pop up on stdout |
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| 16:24.22 | diilbertAtWork | That is all dmesg is giving me |
| 16:24.45 | diilbertAtWork | When I plugged in my pen drive it showed it being assigned to sda, etc |
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| 16:25.31 | diilbertAtWork | thelostbutler: Possibly something on the remote system |
| 16:25.45 | diilbertAtWork | I have seen that happen before |
| 16:26.27 | thelostbutler | dillbertAtWork: any insight as to what that something might be or how to find out what it might be ? |
| 16:27.36 | thelostbutler | i am constantly worried about ppl breaking in, i run chkrootkit everyday , any suggestions what software i can run for an automatic scan of the system for break in ? a noivce here |
| 16:28.33 | streuner___ | disconnect from i-net, done? |
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| 16:29.41 | thelostbutler | streuner: turn off the comp, done :p |
| 16:30.31 | cydork | thelostbutler, use snort |
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| 16:31.31 | thelostbutler | cydork: ok will start RTFM |
| 16:31.33 | thelostbutler | thanks |
| 16:31.46 | simmerz | how do i get rsync to get --password-file working? I have the password on one line in the file, but rsync still asks me for a password |
| 16:32.44 | sanmarcos | zomgwtf!! WWDC! |
| 16:32.50 | streuner___ | there is no 100 % secure way |
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| 16:33.23 | streuner___ | there are ways to make a system secure, but that costs money and time, so it depends HOW secure your system should be... |
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| 16:34.44 | streuner___ | thelostbutler: just use sarge/stable |
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| 16:34.59 | M0E-lnx | hey, I dloaded an updated version of firefox... how do I install this thing? |
| 16:35.11 | streuner___ | where did you get that from? |
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| 16:35.20 | M0E-lnx | mozilla.org |
| 16:35.24 | stew | thelostbutler: /msg dpkg securing debian |
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| 16:36.38 | streuner___ | make the file +x and run ./foo.bin |
| 16:36.49 | streuner___ | the installer says what you have to do next |
| 16:36.51 | faber3 | under debian, where is the apache thread model configured? |
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| 16:37.10 | thelostbutler | thank you folks :) |
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| 16:37.20 | simmerz | how do i get passworldless rsync working? It is still asking me for a password, despite having a password file specified |
| 16:38.30 | thelostbutler | simmerz: the way i use it is to have ssh keys generated and copied over to the remote system. and it works |
| 16:38.43 | thelostbutler | not sure if that is the best way to do it |
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| 16:40.56 | simmerz | thelostbutler: what do you mean? how do you do that? |
| 16:41.01 | googlah | l |
| 16:41.38 | cydork | simmerz, i believe there is a way to set a env. variable as password too. |
| 16:41.53 | cydork | thelostbutler, he is talking about rsync not ssh. |
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| 16:42.07 | simmerz | cydork: can i set an env variable from inside a C++ prog? |
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| 16:43.24 | thelostbutler | cydork: hmmn wouldn't setting rsync --rsh=ssh still make it work ? i thought i had used it before and it worked. |
| 16:43.38 | cydork | simmerz, you should read this http://linux.sys-con.com/read/32704.htm |
| 16:44.27 | simmerz | cydork: have read it, but what if i want to have different users sending files via rsync. that then doesn't work, does it? |
| 16:44.40 | zsakr | i downloaded a debian 3.1 iso, can i extract the iso and install it from the HD, or should i burn it and then install it from the CD? |
| 16:45.00 | streuner___ | zsakr: read ig |
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| 16:45.06 | streuner___ | zsakr: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 16:45.56 | M0E-lnx | how can I remove a dir that's not empty from the CLI |
| 16:45.56 | streuner___ | zsakr: in general just use netinstall iso and install everything via i-net |
| 16:46.08 | Yamaraj | rm -rf |
| 16:46.15 | streuner___ | NO |
| 16:46.22 | M0E-lnx | no what? |
| 16:46.25 | streuner___ | don't recommend 'rm -rf' |
| 16:46.36 | M0E-lnx | it's just the firefox dir |
| 16:46.42 | M0E-lnx | i want it gone |
| 16:46.42 | streuner___ | it could causes serious headaches |
| 16:46.46 | Yamaraj | Well, not for newbies of course! |
| 16:46.53 | Yamaraj | :-> |
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| 16:47.07 | M0E-lnx | the dir has files in it |
| 16:47.21 | streuner___ | MOE-Inx: just use 'mc' then |
| 16:47.30 | M0E-lnx | never mind.. it's gone |
| 16:47.34 | M0E-lnx | rm -r did it |
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| 16:48.00 | Lethics | Hello |
| 16:48.07 | streuner___ | "rm -rf *brainfart* |
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| 16:48.22 | simmerz | and I've tried exporting the RSYNC_PASSWORD, and USER and it still doesn't work. I still have to type in my password |
| 16:48.32 | Lethics | Someone have some time to help me to fix a problem with the last kernel? |
| 16:48.42 | thelostbutler | lunitik: i guess it has to do with folks getting tooo used to using rm -rf which can cause disasters when used in the wrong dir |
| 16:48.43 | lunitik | Umm, 'mkdir foo ; touch foo/bar1 foo/bar2 foo/bar3 ; rm -r foo' works here :/ |
| 16:48.46 | streuner___ | Lethics: just ask |
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| 16:49.04 | Yamaraj | rm is dangerous is general. Doesn't matter much what switches you use with it. |
| 16:49.08 | Lethics | I have a problem on boot after upgrade my debian |
| 16:49.23 | wansti | hi... does anybody know if libvga was removed from the ia32-libs or something? |
| 16:49.24 | Lethics | it doesn't found the root partition |
| 16:49.25 | donofrioatwork | wow big room - who here uses checkinstall and might have a checkinstallrc file complete that I can review |
| 16:49.32 | streuner___ | lunitik: that command is pretty powerful, just one mistake and everythink is broken... |
| 16:49.39 | diilbertAtWork | Alright I am at the point that I see the Card reader in /proc/bus/usb/devices, but Driver=(none) How do I change that... since that is odviosuly my problem |
| 16:49.50 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: RSYNC_PASSWORD is for connecting to rsync:// servers, not connecting via ssh |
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| 16:49.56 | lunitik | streuner___: -f is, yes... but bad to use in general... |
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| 16:50.14 | lunitik | streuner___: any reason you're letting a ghost roam in #debian? kinda annoying :P |
| 16:50.18 | streuner___ | you should read the man page |
| 16:50.18 | Yamaraj | -f just forces deletion. That's all. |
| 16:50.22 | wansti | after one of the last sid (64-bit) updates, quake4 doesn't work anymore because libvga.so.1 is missing... ideas, anyone? |
| 16:50.56 | streuner___ | lunitik: some people get banned for recommend this |
| 16:50.58 | lunitik | streuner___: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 16:51.20 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: as far as I know, Im connecting to an rsync server. I'm using the commandline to run the command, but rsync is on the remote machine. |
| 16:51.26 | streuner___ | other streuner is at home |
| 16:51.28 | lunitik | streuner___: I'm not recommending -rf ... I'm saying -r should work fine... |
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| 16:51.31 | cydork | simmerz, i have tried the env. varibables before and it worked like a charm. |
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| 16:51.59 | M0E-lnx | I just wanted it removed |
| 16:52.59 | Yamaraj | streuner___: People get banned for recommending rm -rf? |
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| 16:52.59 | lunitik | streuner___: hard to do anything bad with just -r ... |
| 16:52.59 | streuner___ | yes |
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| 16:53.00 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: what is the exact command that you're running? |
| 16:53.00 | streuner___ | in other context, but its evil |
| 16:53.00 | lunitik | streuner___: system will complain if you try rm -r /etc for instance... even if you're root... |
| 16:53.00 | Yamaraj | Whoa! But, why? Coders didn't get shot for coding -f option. >:-O |
| 16:53.00 | donofrioatwork | anyone here use checkinstall? |
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| 16:53.52 | Yamaraj | First of all, nobody should be logged on as root. |
| 16:54.00 | simmerz | rsync -av --exclude=.svn /var/www/site/* server.domain.tld:/home/site/ |
| 16:54.11 | sanmarcos | zomgwtf the keynote is starting! |
| 16:54.17 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: you're using ssh to connect to the remote site, not an rsync daemon. |
| 16:54.24 | streuner___ | lunitik: append an '-i' to that and nobody have any complains about that :-) |
| 16:54.25 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: if you want passwordless ssh, set up ssh keys. |
| 16:54.37 | Yamaraj | -i is annoying too. |
| 16:54.44 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: its not passwordless ssh. its passwordless rsync |
| 16:54.45 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: RSYNC_PASSWORD is for connecting to rsync daemons. |
| 16:54.59 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: you are ssh'ing to the remote machine, then running rsync there. |
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| 16:55.01 | streuner___ | annoying is to recommend to newbies that |
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| 16:55.19 | lunitik | streuner___: I see the point to that :D |
| 16:55.22 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: is that what the rsync command does? |
| 16:55.33 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: if you're not connecting to an rsync daemon, yes. |
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| 16:56.15 | loki101 | how wooudl you create 100 1mb files, delete a speicif number of random files, and recreate the missing ones? |
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| 16:56.48 | Yamaraj | But I still don't understand why would anyone get banned for recommending rm -rf, if the World hasn't turned into a complete dystopian society. |
| 16:56.51 | dondelelcaro | loki101: with a for loop, dd, rm, and/or some more shell. |
| 16:57.05 | yhan | hi how could I audit the access files with debian ? |
| 16:57.17 | dondelelcaro | yhan: look at last; or /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:57.18 | loki101 | dondelelcaro, any chance of an example? |
| 16:57.21 | lunitik | Yamaraj: because newb's do silly things... and rm -rf can make that more likely... |
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| 16:57.35 | lunitik | Yamaraj: rm -rf / isn't fun |
| 16:57.46 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Then those newbies should be banned, not us! |
| 16:58.14 | blackelf[raf256] | someone suggested a newbie to use rm rf / ? is he mentally retarded? |
| 16:58.16 | lunitik | Yamaraj: recommending rm -rf means its your fault it happened, they just made a typo... |
| 16:58.18 | Yamaraj | If they can recursively delete /, they are committing suicide. |
| 16:58.35 | Ronin | Yamaraj: unless someone here told them to do that |
| 16:58.38 | dondelelcaro | loki101: for a in $(seq 0 99); do dd if=/dev/zero of=$a bs=1024K seek=1; done; FE. |
| 16:58.39 | streuner___ | blackelf[raf256]: ask lunitik ... |
| 16:58.44 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: ok, does that still work if i am logging in to the server with rsync with user@server:/path ? and the user is different to the current user |
| 16:58.45 | lunitik | Yamaraj: someone did that during a UNIX test in my college |
| 16:58.55 | streuner___ | he don't even need to recommend that :-/ |
| 16:58.56 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: that's still using ssh |
| 16:58.59 | lunitik | streuner___: I didn't recommend that! |
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| 16:59.22 | streuner___ | well, you mentioned it now 1000 times here, and still discuss it |
| 16:59.32 | Yamaraj | I did! Ban me if you must, but please shoot those coder first. ;-) |
| 16:59.54 | yhan | auth.log will only give me the logins events, no ? |
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| 16:59.57 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: if you're using rsyncd, it'll look like rsync -avP foo rsync://bar/baz |
| 17:00.03 | Lethics | on boot with the kernel 2.6 : it's unable to mount root fs :s ??? |
| 17:00.04 | lunitik | blackelf[raf256]: newb's could easily make a typo if you say 'rm -rf some/dir' and end up doing bad things... streuner___ thus said its a bad idea... and I'm agreeing... |
| 17:00.05 | dondelelcaro | yhan: what are you interested in knowing? |
| 17:00.17 | MetaMorfoziS | why ssh says nothing? when i try to connect from a box to b through a router |
| 17:00.23 | MetaMorfoziS | from b to a ssh is working |
| 17:00.29 | MetaMorfoziS | in a ssh127.0.0.1 is working |
| 17:00.31 | Yamaraj | If I were running the channel, I would ban newbies logged on as root. |
| 17:00.31 | MetaMorfoziS | please help me |
| 17:00.33 | yhan | I would like ot know every files in a directory the users are accessing |
| 17:00.42 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: I know, but what i mean is can i set up just one ssh key to log into the ssh server with different usernames? |
| 17:00.50 | dondelelcaro | yhan: that information is not kept |
| 17:01.12 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: yes, but each user on the server needs to authorize that ssh key to connect. |
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| 17:01.20 | yhan | is that a way to get / activate it ? |
| 17:01.21 | cds | I've installed apache2 and php5 in debian using apt. |
| 17:01.23 | sanmarcos | jobs takes the stage!! |
| 17:01.26 | cds | Do I need to add anything to the apache config, since my browser asks if I want to save the php file? |
| 17:01.27 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 17:01.34 | yhan | somekind of audit systems ? |
| 17:01.38 | cydork | MetaMorfoziS, check the firewall :) |
| 17:01.44 | MetaMorfoziS | no firewall |
| 17:01.45 | dondelelcaro | yhan: no, because it's an invasion of your users privacy to keep track of it, and it's not terribly secure. |
| 17:01.45 | MetaMorfoziS | or |
| 17:01.46 | donofrioatwork | yes |
| 17:01.46 | MetaMorfoziS | where? |
| 17:01.54 | donofrioatwork | in #macrumorors now |
| 17:01.54 | MetaMorfoziS | in a? |
| 17:02.23 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfoziS: can you ping b from the router? |
| 17:02.29 | MetaMorfoziS | yes |
| 17:02.33 | MetaMorfoziS | not from router |
| 17:02.35 | MetaMorfoziS | from a |
| 17:02.45 | yhan | the users are not necessarly human |
| 17:02.49 | MetaMorfoziS | all boxes can pings the other |
| 17:02.50 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: so i need to copy the .pub part to every user for whom i want to be able to have passwordless ssh login? |
| 17:02.53 | yhan | they could be daemons |
| 17:03.05 | Yamaraj | People don't understand that UNIX/Linux is not for everyone. Linux is being sold to unsuspectinh newbies, for who the GUI is a tad bit less productive than the environment they came from, the the shells are more powerful than they can actually handle. |
| 17:03.07 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: you need to stick it in their authorized_key file, but yes. |
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| 17:03.21 | MetaMorfoziS | after 2minutes it said: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.101 port 22: Connection timed out |
| 17:03.26 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: that too, cool |
| 17:03.27 | dondelelcaro | yhan: what exactly are you trying to track? |
| 17:04.08 | yhan | in order to prevent some unwanted modification of files, I'd to know who and when they've been modified |
| 17:04.13 | cydork | MetaMorfoziS, check out policy for box b. |
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| 17:04.29 | MetaMorfoziS | where? |
| 17:04.34 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm newbie |
| 17:04.37 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
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| 17:06.13 | cds | lpart |
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| 17:06.37 | cydork | MetaMorfoziS, iptables -L |
| 17:06.59 | thelostbutler | cds: you need to enable php in apache |
| 17:07.15 | MetaMorfoziS | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 17:07.15 | MetaMorfoziS | target prot opt source destination |
| 17:07.27 | MetaMorfoziS | this duplicated 3 times |
| 17:07.33 | MetaMorfoziS | with INPUT and OUTPUTű |
| 17:07.41 | loki101 | dondelelcaro, that creates the files, i got that bit already, its the delete a random specific number and recreate im stuck on |
| 17:08.21 | thelostbutler | cds: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 if you are using debs |
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| 17:08.34 | cydork | MetaMorfoziS, and you are sure that sshd is running? |
| 17:08.44 | streuner___ | thelostbutler: gone |
| 17:08.53 | thelostbutler | oh :D |
| 17:09.02 | thelostbutler | oops |
| 17:09.07 | MetaMorfoziS | meta@sajt:~$ pstree -p | grep sshd |
| 17:09.07 | MetaMorfoziS | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.19 | MetaMorfoziS | i think some ssh thing is running |
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| 17:09.39 | streuner___ | thelostbutler: its annoying when people ask questions and only stay a short time in channel |
| 17:10.02 | strk | any advice on a GPRS connection mean well supported by linux ? (phone, pcmcia card, etc?) |
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| 17:10.18 | Yamaraj | streuner___: Because they're too desperate. |
| 17:10.24 | sanmarcos | MAC PRO is out!! |
| 17:10.53 | MetaMorfoziS | oh shit! i have checked the iptables on the b machine |
| 17:10.57 | sanmarcos | woodcrest dual core up to 3gz, 4mb shared L2 cache, 128 vector engine, 64 bit. Up to 3x a xeon |
| 17:11.13 | MetaMorfoziS | i have a brutal iptables -L |
| 17:11.33 | cydork | MetaMorfoziS, i thought so :) |
| 17:11.42 | amphi | MetaMorfoziS: #flood perhaps |
| 17:11.48 | MetaMorfoziS | no |
| 17:11.49 | MetaMorfoziS | pastebin |
| 17:11.59 | MetaMorfoziS | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19937 |
| 17:12.07 | MetaMorfoziS | (It's kubuntu dapper 6.06) |
| 17:12.11 | abrotman | so ask #kubuntu |
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| 17:12.23 | MetaMorfoziS | that guys isn't helped for me |
| 17:12.29 | MetaMorfoziS | one man tried it but he fails:( |
| 17:12.29 | abrotman | so what? |
| 17:12.38 | lunitik | !tell MetaMorfoziS about based on debian |
| 17:12.39 | MetaMorfoziS | in #ubuntu |
| 17:12.41 | abrotman | this is NOT #kubuntu .. if you want help here ... installed debian |
| 17:12.43 | abrotman | install debian |
| 17:12.53 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
| 17:13.01 | abrotman | it's nothing to smile about |
| 17:13.03 | streuner___ | hm |
| 17:13.05 | MetaMorfoziS | are yours hate ubuntu? |
| 17:13.06 | lunitik | abrotman: there are factoids that say that in a far more kind mannor... |
| 17:13.13 | abrotman | lunitik: and? |
| 17:13.16 | Ronin | MetaMorfoziS: no but we cant support something if its not debian |
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| 17:13.36 | MetaMorfoziS | and can't help me to reset iptables? |
| 17:13.36 | streuner___ | MetaMorfoziS: move on |
| 17:13.36 | Ronin | MetaMorfoziS: its like going to #fedora and asking about mandriva |
| 17:13.36 | lunitik | abrotman: and, I'm getting sick of seeing people flame them... |
| 17:13.36 | abrotman | MetaMorfoziS: ask #iptables or #kubuntu |
| 17:13.38 | abrotman | lunitik: then leave |
| 17:13.40 | MetaMorfoziS | :D |
| 17:13.40 | MetaMorfoziS | ok |
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| 17:13.53 | cydork | MetaMorfoziS, ask #iptables i guess .. |
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| 17:14.04 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm joined... |
| 17:14.08 | SpeedyG | anyone know a good interface-monitor? traffic analysis stuff |
| 17:14.08 | amphi | MetaMorfoziS: man iptables explains how to flush rules |
| 17:14.17 | abrotman | Ronin: can i just drink it .. i don't want to help brew it :) |
| 17:14.21 | amphi | SpeedyG: iptraf? |
| 17:14.35 | SpeedyG | I had one with those neat graphs per-if |
| 17:14.39 | cydork | abrotman, sissy !!! |
| 17:14.40 | abrotman | jnettop is interesting |
| 17:14.52 | abrotman | but i don't think it logs |
| 17:15.19 | lunitik | abrotman: leave because people keep flaming people about debian derivs? thats dumb, I learn a lot in here :/ |
| 17:15.35 | comfrey | iftop is good too if top is good too |
| 17:16.16 | abrotman | lunitik: look .. he came here when he knew he had a debian derivative .. and knowing this was the wrong place to ask |
| 17:16.21 | abrotman | if you don't like it .. look away |
| 17:16.23 | ktwilight | sometimes i wonder, why #debian can't be more...friendly? |
| 17:16.35 | blackelf | comfrey: what is iftop |
| 17:16.40 | abrotman | ktwilight: are you serious? |
| 17:17.00 | lunitik | ktwilight: its not a case of that... its right that they shouldn't be in here... just, the way people go about telling them is wrong imo |
| 17:17.02 | streuner___ | ktwilight: /msg dpkg fable |
| 17:17.06 | thelostbutler | i dunno, i found #debian to be very friendly. |
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| 17:17.22 | comfrey | lunitik: it has pretty graphs for interface monitoring |
| 17:17.36 | comfrey | and a good featureset |
| 17:17.37 | lunitik | comfrey: what does? |
| 17:17.50 | comfrey | lunitik: iftop |
| 17:18.02 | lunitik | comfrey: oh... why are you telling me about that? |
| 17:18.13 | abrotman | that's rude! |
| 17:18.13 | ktwilight | i'm not saying that #debian doesn't help people or anything like that |
| 17:18.13 | ktwilight | it's just the manner, as lunitik points out |
| 17:18.15 | streuner___ | what a moron |
| 17:18.27 | streuner___ | he just started another discussion now |
| 17:18.32 | abrotman | ktwilight: it depends on the helpee and the helper .. |
| 17:18.37 | comfrey | speedyg was asking a bit earlier |
| 17:18.41 | abrotman | helped and helper ? |
| 17:18.43 | streuner___ | first the 'rm -rf' discussion and now the 'rude' discussion |
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| 17:18.45 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 17:18.49 | M0E-lnx | trying to apt-get update here... and I get an error... |
| 17:18.49 | azeem | streuner___: please reconsider your languate |
| 17:18.50 | abrotman | badgers: i love you |
| 17:18.50 | badgers | I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/ |
| 17:18.52 | azeem | language |
| 17:18.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:19.03 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: what's the error |
| 17:19.05 | streuner___ | azeem: its the truth and you know that |
| 17:19.08 | M0E-lnx | E: the package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened |
| 17:19.18 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: paste it somewhere |
| 17:19.19 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:19.20 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 17:19.31 | azeem | streuner___: it's the truth that this chan is too rude at times, correct |
| 17:19.43 | lunitik | streuner___: meh, you started the rm -rf discussion :/ |
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| 17:20.09 | ktwilight | sounds like customer service gone back |
| 17:20.09 | ktwilight | s/back/bad |
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| 17:20.29 | azeem | ktwilight: it's not /that/ bad |
| 17:20.39 | azeem | at least when you're a Debian user |
| 17:20.43 | ktwilight | i'm not saying it's the worst of the worst or the most terrible azeem |
| 17:20.46 | lunitik | ktwilight: this isn't customer service... this is an IRC channel where some experienced users congregate and help other users... |
| 17:20.53 | ktwilight | all i'm saying is, it can be better for those who do not know |
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| 17:21.01 | azeem | ktwilight: I agree |
| 17:21.03 | streuner___ | azeem: read the logs |
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| 17:21.11 | azeem | I usually say "please ask in #ubuntu" |
| 17:21.14 | streuner___ | azeem: and you know what's going on |
| 17:21.14 | ttyfscker | i am having some kind of issue with my dvd writer in linux.. i keep getting i/o errors when i try to burn a dvd.. if i burn a cd however it works flawlessly. can someone help me figure out how to get this fixed? i have a dell inspiron 6000, and the drive is a sony 20x cdrw 6x dvd +- r(w) any help? |
| 17:21.27 | ktwilight | lunitik, however you term it, it's still is the same as what it is |
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| 17:21.36 | M0E-lnx | I can't paste... |
| 17:21.37 | streuner___ | azeem: that we do always, and you know that too |
| 17:21.45 | azeem | "that"? |
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| 17:21.54 | streuner___ | azeem: be friendly first |
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| 17:22.37 | abrotman | manner |
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| 17:22.54 | abrotman | M0E-lnx: why not? |
| 17:23.03 | lunitik | abrotman: I'll remember that next time I'm writing an essay... thank you |
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| 17:23.32 | abrotman | lunitik: stop being so damn polite! |
| 17:23.45 | streuner___ | azeem: and you missed totally the point, the point is to be friendly to newbies. |
| 17:23.50 | ktwilight | sarcastic, i think you meant. :) |
| 17:23.52 | M0E-lnx | the stupid mouse whell switches apps instead of pasting...(it's a m$ mouse) |
| 17:23.54 | streuner___ | not to regulars |
| 17:24.05 | SpeedyG | politeness on IRC isnt that well appreciated these days |
| 17:24.07 | M0E-lnx | but here is the error |
| 17:24.12 | lunitik | ktwilight: ;) |
| 17:24.14 | tuv | SpeedyG, i use gkrellm. it's a set of stackable monitors, one of which is network bandwidth usage per interface |
| 17:24.18 | M0E-lnx | e: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 17:24.24 | stew | M0E-lnx: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 17:24.27 | M0E-lnx | E: Error ocurred while procession nvu |
| 17:24.53 | SpeedyG | tuv: I used to have a textbased one, that shows both my interfaces in one screen with graphs and bars :) |
| 17:25.09 | Yamaraj | Friendly to newbies, but not to regulars? Why this discrimination? |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | we don't like regulars ... |
| 17:25.21 | ktwilight | haha |
| 17:25.24 | cydork | heheh |
| 17:25.32 | lunitik | Yamaraj: regulars should be used to each other and not be offended... |
| 17:25.32 | Yamaraj | >:-D |
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| 17:26.08 | Yamaraj | lunitik: That's right. |
| 17:26.13 | dondelelcaro | loki101: so delete some of them and recreate them |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | unless you have that one regular that just doesn't fit in |
| 17:26.57 | loki101 | for a in $(seq 0 99); rm $a; done; |
| 17:27.02 | loki101 | whats wrong with that? |
| 17:27.14 | tuv | SpeedyG, could it be ntop? |
| 17:27.34 | ktwilight | that's harsh |
| 17:27.36 | ktwilight | haha |
| 17:27.43 | SpeedyG | nope, that one neither :( |
| 17:27.45 | M0E-lnx | thnx stew |
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| 17:27.46 | vaq | did anybody in here ever worked with blocking porno on proxy's ? Smart ways to do it? |
| 17:27.46 | SpeedyG | I just can't find it |
| 17:27.52 | M0E-lnx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.57 | SpeedyG | how can I find the last xxx packages installed with aptitude ? |
| 17:27.59 | lunitik | ktwilight: can't be expected really... everyone is very different in here imo |
| 17:28.05 | JoshTriplett | vaq: I've heard good things about dansguardian. |
| 17:28.09 | ktwilight | everyone is different wherever you go ;) |
| 17:28.13 | loki101 | for a in $(seq 0 99); rm $a; done; |
| 17:28.16 | JoshTriplett | Does any package exist which will automatically keep a custom kernel up to date from source? |
| 17:28.22 | loki101 | what am i doing wrong? : for a in $(seq 0 99); rm $a; done; |
| 17:28.35 | Yamaraj | Only bots are alike everywhere. |
| 17:28.44 | JoshTriplett | loki101: for a in $(seq 0 99); do rm $a ; done |
| 17:28.47 | JoshTriplett | loki101: Note the "do". |
| 17:28.47 | ktwilight | vaq look for a site/organisation/whtaever that has a list of ip/sites with a software that helps ya go along? |
| 17:28.49 | vaq | JoshTriplett: yes, but that's just URL blocking. |
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| 17:29.08 | vaq | aren't there a smarter way? |
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| 17:29.12 | abrotman | loki101: ask #bash |
| 17:29.19 | JoshTriplett | vaq: Nope; it also does phrase matching and rating-based blocks. |
| 17:29.31 | lunitik | JoshTriplett: there doesn't appear to be any linux-source meta package... |
| 17:29.42 | vaq | JoshTriplett: Hmm okay |
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| 17:29.58 | ktwilight | vaq, scripts or whatever is as dumb as the creator :) |
| 17:30.57 | lunitik | SpeedyG: perhaps do something with grep etc in /var/cache/apt/archives to get packages brought in most recently? |
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| 17:31.13 | JoshTriplett | SpeedyG: /var/log/aptitude |
| 17:31.54 | JoshTriplett | SpeedyG: (which gets rotated by logrotate, so check the past logs as well.) |
| 17:32.00 | SpeedyG | \o/ thanks |
| 17:32.02 | SpeedyG | it was bmon |
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| 17:32.36 | tuv | there is /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:32.50 | sntiex | erhm, i have a little question about debian "etch": |
| 17:32.59 | JoshTriplett | lunitik: How so? |
| 17:33.07 | streuner___ | sntiex: ask |
| 17:33.16 | streuner___ | !ask |
| 17:33.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:33.39 | lunitik | JoshTriplett: for no apparent reason, I was doing 'cd /var/log/apt[tap]' and aptitude isn't a dir, so it won't be auto-completed... |
| 17:33.42 | sntiex | i´ve installed it via the debian testing binary cd1, and i only need the right kernel-source |
| 17:33.59 | sntiex | but i can´t find a matching one in the apt-tree |
| 17:34.08 | streuner___ | kernel-source is prolly on one of the other 14 CDs |
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| 17:34.24 | lunitik | streuner___: iir, its on the last CD |
| 17:34.27 | cds | I've installed php5 and apache2 in debian. |
| 17:34.29 | streuner___ | sntiex: just make i-net working for your box and life is easier |
| 17:34.33 | JoshTriplett | lunitik: That seems doubtful. |
| 17:34.35 | cds | Do I need any lines in my config to run them? |
| 17:34.36 | sntiex | i have |
| 17:34.39 | thelostbutler | cds: you need to enable php in apache |
| 17:34.44 | thelostbutler | cds: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 if you are using debs |
| 17:34.51 | streuner___ | sntiex: ok, just apt-get install it then |
| 17:35.04 | sntiex | oh... the german one have solved... a lot of thx anyway |
| 17:35.05 | JoshTriplett | lunitik: That and bash won't complete wildcards. |
| 17:35.15 | sntiex | "german chan" |
| 17:35.16 | thelostbutler | cds: next time stay longer in the channel than leaving quicky :) |
| 17:35.17 | JoshTriplett | lunitik: Oh, [tab]; nm. |
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| 17:35.26 | stew | kernel source is on cd13 |
| 17:35.29 | stew | !which cd |
| 17:35.29 | cds | thelostbutler: Heh, sorry :) |
| 17:35.30 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 17:35.37 | cds | thelostbutler: I'll look through that - thanks! |
| 17:35.50 | lunitik | stew: ahh... my mistake then (I said cd14..) |
| 17:36.13 | JoshTriplett | Why in the world would the kernel source go on CD *13*? |
| 17:36.28 | JoshTriplett | I can understand it not going on CD 1, considering size. |
| 17:36.33 | streuner___ | important packages on the first one |
| 17:36.37 | Yamaraj | 'Cause only 5% people need that. |
| 17:36.39 | tuv | JoshTriplett, 'cuz it's not a very popular package |
| 17:36.55 | streuner___ | you have to decide, and kernel-source isn't that important |
| 17:36.59 | streuner___ | in most cases |
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| 17:38.16 | cds | thelostbutler: I've already got libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 17:38.16 | stew | lunitik: you don't need kerenl-source for ndiswrapper, you need kernel-headers, which are on cd1 |
| 17:38.16 | lunitik | Unless kernel-headers is on cd14? In which case, that works... |
| 17:38.19 | lunitik | stew: ahhh |
| 17:38.35 | stew | actually though, no kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 is on cd11 |
| 17:38.46 | Yamaraj | kernel-headers are what most need to compile modules anyway. |
| 17:38.52 | stew | oh but the 2.4.27 headers are on cd1 |
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| 17:39.31 | lunitik | Should have one CD dedicated to all those things... |
| 17:39.46 | thelostbutler | cds: hmmmn. did you try restarting apache ? |
| 17:39.52 | cds | thelostbutler: Yeah. |
| 17:40.08 | Yamaraj | They need to employ a librarian to take care of 18000 packages with elegance. 8-) |
| 17:40.34 | lunitik | Yamaraj: popcon is supposed to... but I think some logic has to be used also... |
| 17:41.13 | Yamaraj | Thisis why they're putting a survey at the time of installation. They're gathering data. |
| 17:41.27 | lunitik | Yamaraj: that'd be popcon... yes |
| 17:41.30 | cds | thelostbutler: Don't I need an extra line in the config or anything? |
| 17:43.43 | Yamaraj | Just came to know that RH/Fedora make it easy to rename an ethernet/wireless device, when compared to the Debian family. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3586546 |
| 17:44.05 | thelostbutler | cds: not that i know of. i am checking again in my local setup |
| 17:44.05 | Yamaraj | Or is there any easier way around? |
| 17:44.13 | cds | thelostbutler: Thanks. |
| 17:45.51 | dondelelcaro | Yamaraj: there are two easy ways. One using nameif and mactab, the other using ydev. |
| 17:45.54 | dondelelcaro | s/ydev/udev/ |
| 17:46.05 | thelostbutler | cds: nah i installed apache2 and the libapache2-mod-php5 and it worked out of the box. |
| 17:46.13 | cds | Oh. |
| 17:46.14 | cds | Hrm. |
| 17:46.17 | cds | I installed php5 |
| 17:46.25 | stew | cds: did you a2enmod php5? |
| 17:46.30 | cds | Is that what I did wrong? |
| 17:46.35 | cds | a2enmod? |
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| 17:46.44 | Yamaraj | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I'll look for more info. |
| 17:46.44 | stoned | thelostbutler, there you are, found ya. Go make me some breakfast |
| 17:47.03 | stew | cds: you ahve to a2enmod <something>, i don't know if it is php5 or mod_php5 or what though |
| 17:47.07 | thelostbutler | stoned: sorry you are late the kitchen is closed :p |
| 17:47.18 | dondelelcaro | Yamaraj: hell, the article you gave gives even a third way to do this. |
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| 17:47.56 | Yamaraj | But that's messy. |
| 17:48.01 | cds | stew: Worth trying both? |
| 17:48.06 | cds | stew: (What doe it do?) |
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| 17:48.17 | dondelelcaro | Yamaraj: eh? what's messy about having an /etc/mactab or a udev line? |
| 17:48.18 | abrotman | cds: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? or just php5? |
| 17:48.37 | cds | abrotman: Just php5, but libapache2-mod-php5 appears to be there. |
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| 17:49.05 | Yamaraj | I though you were talking about ifrename boot scripts. |
| 17:49.55 | lunitik | Yamaraj: imo, that article goes out of its way to make the Debian way seem complicated... and it appears to have worked... |
| 17:49.57 | cds | stew: Seems it's already enabled. |
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| 17:50.34 | Yamaraj | lunitik: Yes. It does make RH/Fedora style look easier, and maybe it is. |
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| 17:50.35 | dondelelcaro | Yamaraj: it's just an init.d script; it's apparently included with ifrename. You install it, you set up a mactab, you're done. |
| 17:50.37 | czekis | hi |
| 17:50.43 | czekis | is aptitude dead? |
| 17:50.50 | abrotman | did you kill it? |
| 17:50.56 | abrotman | aptitude: hi |
| 17:50.56 | aptitude | moin moin, abrotman |
| 17:50.58 | czekis | it has no longer site on sourceforge |
| 17:50.59 | thelostbutler | i never understood why interface names come up with different names. |
| 17:51.05 | abrotman | czekis: oh .. not the bot |
| 17:51.15 | czekis | and there are only releases with bug fixes for about one year |
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| 17:51.19 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: they come up in the order in which the kernel initalizes them |
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| 17:51.55 | dondelelcaro | czekis: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude is the upstream site, apparently. |
| 17:51.56 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: is there no standard procedure followed ? i thought always it was me who was messing things up |
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| 17:52.33 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: there can't be; when it starts initializing network cards, it has no idea which will be first and which will be last. With the same kernel they'll be the same, but there's no guarantee. |
| 17:52.41 | lunitik | czekis: aptitude.sourceforge.net seems to explain what happened fairly well? |
| 17:52.57 | czekis | ohhh... sorry, i mean synatptic, not aptitude ;( |
| 17:53.13 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: i guess i need to rtfm. any recommendations on what is an easy read to understand this ? |
| 17:53.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did puccini (?) die? |
| 17:53.28 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: there's really no manual to read |
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| 17:53.54 | abrotman | nope ... it's just me :) |
| 17:53.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it may be locked out; machines.cgi says it's up. |
| 17:54.14 | thelostbutler | dondelelcaro: hmmn ok |
| 17:54.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i can get to it via one host .. but not via my local box |
| 17:54.20 | dondelelcaro | ah |
| 17:54.37 | lunitik | czekis: http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ |
| 17:54.37 | M0E-lnx | how do I clear mmap? |
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| 17:55.07 | stew | M0E-lnx: clear? what do you mean? |
| 17:55.33 | M0E-lnx | I got an error... E: Unamle to write mmap - msync (28 no space left on device) |
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| 17:55.51 | ktwilight | cds, just type a2enmod and you'll see the magic! |
| 17:55.51 | stew | M0E-lnx: is one of your partitions full? |
| 17:55.57 | M0E-lnx | maybe.... |
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| 17:56.04 | M0E-lnx | i have very limited disk space |
| 17:56.07 | cds | ktwilight: Yeah, it seems the module is already enabled. |
| 17:56.08 | czekis | lunaphyte_: thx, and sorry didn't check google... |
| 17:56.22 | trinode | hi, can anyone tell me what source to add to sources.list for up to date apache / mysql 5 etc? |
| 17:56.30 | trinode | my mind's gone blank |
| 17:57.16 | dondelelcaro | trinode: try backports.org |
| 17:57.25 | M0E-lnx | any suggestion stew? |
| 17:57.35 | stew | M0E-lnx: free up space on the partition |
| 17:58.06 | ktwilight | cds, i've no idea, but have you tried searching at debian-administration.org for an answer? i found two articles that may be of good help :) |
| 17:58.15 | M0E-lnx | i can't |
| 17:58.45 | trinode | dondelelcaro: looks like it'll do the job, thanks! |
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| 17:59.41 | thelostbutler | M0E-lnx: try apt-get clean and that will remove the downloaded debs that are no longer needed and try again . **shrugs** can get some space from there |
| 17:59.49 | M0E-lnx | ok... |
| 17:59.54 | M0E-lnx | that's what I was looking for |
| 18:00.25 | M0E-lnx | I tried to install gnome... and it dloaded over 100mb's in packages and stuff |
| 18:00.35 | M0E-lnx | turned out not to have that kind of space left |
| 18:00.37 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I entered "top" into a dos prompt... :( |
| 18:00.48 | blackelf | lol @ Silent_Chaos[CAN |
| 18:01.00 | M0E-lnx | firefox |
| 18:01.15 | lunitik | !lol |
| 18:01.15 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:01.16 | lunitik | :o |
| 18:01.27 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | lol @ dkpg |
| 18:01.33 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | : / |
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| 18:02.51 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | <3 - How do I install unionfs on debian with apt-get install ? |
| 18:02.57 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | which package do I need |
| 18:03.20 | lunitik | Silent_Chaos[CAN: apt-cache search unionfs |
| 18:03.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | yep, one sec |
| 18:03.42 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | putty |
| 18:04.19 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | unionfs-source |
| 18:04.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | unionfs-utils |
| 18:05.05 | ZataH | Why do Debian 3.1 looks so old ? |
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| 18:05.22 | stew | !m-a Silent_Chaos[CAN unionfs |
| 18:05.22 | zinx | 'look' old? |
| 18:05.22 | dpkg | Silent_Chaos[CAN: to compile and install unionfs for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i unionfs && modprobe unionfs ; if this works echo unionfs >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 18:05.26 | azeem | ZataH: it looks about as old as RHEL |
| 18:05.34 | ZataH | it looks very older than my ubuntu |
| 18:05.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | you are a god stew |
| 18:05.36 | stew | zinx: becuase it was released a year ago, and the packages were frozen a while before that |
| 18:05.40 | cds | Grr... |
| 18:05.42 | azeem | ZataH: you are correct |
| 18:05.45 | cds | It isn't even working with php4. |
| 18:05.49 | cds | This sucks.. |
| 18:05.50 | ZataH | yea, but anyway |
| 18:06.01 | zinx | stew: uhm? |
| 18:06.10 | azeem | zinx: ENICK |
| 18:06.17 | stew | zinx: oh, sorry |
| 18:06.18 | zinx | ZataH: please define "looks" - are you talking about the window manager/desktop environment/theme? |
| 18:06.26 | ZataH | i install it on my vmware, so i couldt see, about I should install Debian, or keep my ubuntu 6.06 |
| 18:06.34 | ZataH | zinx: the style |
| 18:06.38 | ZataH | many things |
| 18:06.38 | azeem | ZataH: you should make up your own min |
| 18:06.39 | azeem | d |
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| 18:06.44 | ZataH | azeem: i know |
| 18:06.46 | zinx | ZataH: it's because debian doesn't come with a pretty theme by default |
| 18:06.52 | azeem | ZataH: we are not interested in a discussion on why Debian looks old, sorry |
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| 18:07.06 | zinx | ZataH: you can install the ubuntu theme(s) in debian if you like debian more |
| 18:07.06 | ZataH | azeem: no no, i just ask |
| 18:07.15 | zinx | ZataH: But like the ubuntu look better |
| 18:07.16 | azeem | ZataH: ok, you got your answer |
| 18:07.21 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | isn't ubuntu based on debian though? |
| 18:07.27 | ZataH | zinx: i preffered to make my own style :P |
| 18:07.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | why not just install ubuntu? |
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| 18:07.55 | zinx | Silent_Chaos[CAN: ubuntu isn't debian |
| 18:08.04 | zinx | Silent_Chaos[CAN: some people prefer one or the other |
| 18:08.22 | ZataH | zinx: but it is pretty much the same, right ? |
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| 18:08.27 | zinx | ZataH: No. |
| 18:08.46 | ZataH | ok |
| 18:08.52 | ZataH | i just have heard that |
| 18:08.53 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | zinx, that's the beauty of linux... have you tried the latest ubuntu? I was thinking about an install |
| 18:08.56 | ZataH | not my opinion |
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| 18:09.11 | zinx | some packages are laid out differently, i think the init process is slightly different, many many packages differ, and the default config is completely different from anything debian defaults to |
| 18:09.22 | zinx | Silent_Chaos[CAN: #ubuntu - this channel is about debian :) |
| 18:09.44 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | ok, <3? |
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| 18:14.15 | _fjh_ | Hi, anybody familar with pam_mount && dm_crypt? My decrypted loopback device stays available after logout! |
| 18:16.10 | _fjh_ | I guess I need to add something to /etc/security/pam_mount.conf, but do not understand the syntax. |
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| 18:18.45 | _fjh_ | Hm, nobody? What is your approach for encrypting sensitive data? Which packages should I look into? |
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| 18:19.38 | YeTr2 | why not just have the command to unmount your device in your logout scripts? |
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| 18:20.02 | dondelelcaro | YeTr2: because you may have > 1 login shell? |
| 18:20.13 | IceGuest_7 | i am following a howto to set up an email gateway. it had me modify locales, now i get locale errors when i install packages. Is that going to screw things up ? |
| 18:20.30 | omry__ | what command start gnome desktop (to be used from ~/vnc/startup) ? |
| 18:21.03 | Blackhold | hello, I have to reconfigure ybin, I don't remember exactly how to do it, last I'd running but a update of a mac os x deconfigured that, last I suppose I start with a live cd, chroot the partition and make ybin, is it? |
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| 18:21.47 | tuv | omry, gnome-session |
| 18:21.53 | omry | tuv, thanks |
| 18:22.09 | _fjh_ | YeTr2: What is my logout script? I think I need to do as root 'cryptsetup luksClose /dev/mapper/cryptcontainer. |
| 18:22.10 | deadcat_ | Blackhold: just run ybin -v right? |
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| 18:22.23 | Blackhold | uh! ok :D |
| 18:22.31 | Blackhold | then I come :) |
| 18:22.40 | deadcat_ | thats what i do (= |
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| 18:25.47 | omry | does xvnc depending on xserver in any way? |
| 18:26.17 | omry | just installed it on debian sarge am64, and it segfaults. |
| 18:26.24 | omry | (no x-server) |
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| 18:26.39 | M0E-lnx | brb |
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| 18:26.50 | shingouz | omry: afaik, yes it does |
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| 18:27.45 | _fjh_ | In the FAQ of pam_mount was said, that I should put in /etc/login.defs CLOSE_SESSIONS yes. However this gives an error message and does not seem to work. |
| 18:27.50 | omry | shingouz, I am talking about vnc server |
| 18:27.56 | omry | sure? |
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| 18:28.26 | IceGuest_7 | If locales report errors, is that devastating to the system? |
| 18:28.35 | shingouz | omry: not sure but i think you do need the servers there. vnc basically 'peeks over the users shoulder' and transfers the image to you over the network |
| 18:28.43 | dondelelcaro | IceGuest_7: no, but you should fix them. Run dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the proper ones. |
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| 18:29.30 | ajay | how can i get direct rendering for intel 915? |
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| 18:30.26 | IceGuest_7 | thank you |
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| 18:31.48 | omry | shingouz, http://www.cmp.liv.ac.uk/docs/linux_guide/node58.html |
| 18:31.55 | stoned | ajay, I guess load the dri module in X |
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| 18:33.27 | Pryon | ajay: Consider following this process: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting |
| 18:33.33 | the_mug | howdy. does anyone know if it's possible to pass an argument (param) to an alias that looks like this.... alias='grep -r $PARAM? /tmp' ?? |
| 18:33.53 | abrotman | the_mug: ask #bash |
| 18:34.05 | the_mug | argh |
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| 18:34.38 | the_mug | abrotman: thanks tho. I was wondering if they had a channel |
| 18:34.50 | abrotman | have fun! |
| 18:34.54 | YeTr2 | looking for help/howto for both ati mobility & ipw220BG |
| 18:34.58 | abrotman | give greycat a hug and kiss! :) |
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| 18:35.12 | disposable | i would like to change my ext3 filesystem journalling from data=ordered to data=journal. how do i do that? it's not in the tune2fs manual and google doesn't include '=' in its searches so i get completely offtopic results. |
| 18:35.53 | shingouz | omry: i stand corrected |
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| 18:36.31 | frankster | hi |
| 18:37.16 | omry | shingouz, you learn new things all the time :). I kidna' did it before, only the box happend to have an x server running. but I think its unrelated. my segfault is probably a problem with the 64bit version. |
| 18:37.18 | lunitik | disposable: try 'ext3 data/=journal' (escapes = just like in shell...) |
| 18:37.49 | zinx | o_O |
| 18:37.58 | shingouz | omry: highly possible. i do not have anything 64 bit here so i cannot comment on how the thing should work :( |
| 18:38.05 | ax7 | yo |
| 18:38.10 | zinx | lunitik: why didn't i know about this sooner? |
| 18:38.14 | ax7 | dunno |
| 18:38.37 | lunitik | Which actually doesn't seem to change results much... (although it does...) |
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| 18:38.44 | lunitik | I get on topic results either way... |
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| 18:40.06 | ajay | thanks stoned Pryon |
| 18:40.20 | stoned | sure |
| 18:40.44 | disposable | lunitik: didnt work. google's evil. |
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| 18:41.44 | M0E-lnx | hey, I just installed gnome... but how do I fire this bad boy up from the CLI? |
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| 18:42.05 | shingouz | M0E-lnx: startx? |
| 18:42.06 | Lethics | re |
| 18:42.51 | M0E-lnx | well, don't I need to defire somewhere which is the default wm? |
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| 18:43.40 | YeTr2 | anyone? ipw2200BG help? |
| 18:43.45 | bgat | how do I disable forced password expiration for new accounts in etch? I'm debootstrapping a new system, don't want the "you are required to change your password immediately" message just yet... |
| 18:43.54 | lunitik | disposable: here, it seems to highlight things with 'data=journal' not just 'data' and 'journal'... although it seems to highlight all three... |
| 18:44.04 | ajay | stoned: i aint installed debian till now is debian ok with intel 915 on laptop? debian 3.1 :) |
| 18:44.17 | lunitik | disposable: annoying... but seems my results are all ontopic either way... |
| 18:44.18 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 18:44.19 | dpkg | somebody said sarge hardware support was reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
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| 18:44.30 | abrotman | ajay: is it sata ? |
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| 18:44.33 | tuv | YeTr2, what's wrong? |
| 18:45.04 | lunitik | ajay: i915 isn't supported by Linux... unsure whether Intel released drivers for it themselves though? |
| 18:45.06 | ajay | abrotman: nopes ata but i have to use libata for dma |
| 18:45.25 | jelly-home | lunitik: say what? |
| 18:45.27 | abrotman | ajay: you'll have to use a backport for Xorg most likely |
| 18:45.36 | abrotman | lunitik: you're on crack |
| 18:45.37 | jelly-home | lunitik: what do you mean, not supported by linux? |
| 18:45.47 | stoned | lol |
| 18:45.48 | stoned | crack |
| 18:45.49 | ajay | lunitik: suse ubuntu and other work real fine |
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| 18:45.57 | abrotman | ajay: lunitik is lying |
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| 18:46.03 | ajay | i know |
| 18:46.04 | ajay | :) |
| 18:46.06 | lunitik | jelly-home: isn't that what naf254 or whatever was complaining about? :/ |
| 18:46.37 | stoned | foot... mouth... foot... mouth.. la de da |
| 18:46.38 | abrotman | sarge doesn't support ich6/7 or intel 9xx video cards(xfree doesn't) |
| 18:47.44 | jelly-home | lunitik: I think his problems was with the integrated graphics, it's supported but 3d performance is lousy |
| 18:48.10 | lunitik | jelly-home: ahh... I stand corrected then (again..) |
| 18:48.14 | stoned | I thought he couldn't get it to go to begin with |
| 18:48.22 | jelly-home | lunitik: 915 stands for the whole chipset, I think |
| 18:48.22 | abrotman | grrr .. stupid x.org site ... |
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| 18:49.02 | abrotman | i810 supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G and 915GM chipsets. |
| 18:49.05 | frankster | I'm running dmraid with a highpoint sw raid, but I get loads of unnecessary seek errors later in the boot process...anybody had this problem themselves? |
| 18:49.07 | lunitik | abrotman: easier to navigate than it used to be imo |
| 18:49.14 | abrotman | lunitik: the xfree site was better |
| 18:50.08 | jelly-home | ajay: my guess is sarge will probably work, but you need a newer kernel. |
| 18:50.15 | blackelf | is it a good idea to install xgl in debian testing (on nvidia, I use binary driver) nowdays? |
| 18:50.40 | blackelf | abrotman: i810 support is nice in 2d but horribly broken in 3d |
| 18:50.45 | lunitik | abrotman: xfree86.org was easy to find things, but rather ugly... appearance goals seem to be messing up x.org though :( |
| 18:50.46 | cydork | blackelf, nope it's not a good idea. |
| 18:50.52 | blackelf | cydork: why not |
| 18:51.18 | cydork | blackelf, coz then you will have to install stuff which is not in debian yet :P |
| 18:51.24 | blackelf | ah |
| 18:51.26 | jelly-home | blackelf: I wouldn't say broken, just awfully slow. Slower than software for some things |
| 18:52.07 | blackelf | jelly-home: the next lapto I will buy with nvidia probably |
| 18:52.28 | blackelf | when I will finally start the software comapny :) |
| 18:52.38 | abrotman | lunitik: ugly != hard to navigate |
| 18:52.46 | abrotman | blackelf: depends on the release you use |
| 18:52.59 | blackelf | abrotman: that is? |
| 18:53.00 | lunitik | abrotman: I didn't make that connection... |
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| 18:53.16 | blackelf | is there a good i810 driver for 3d yet? or will there be (in Debian |
| 18:53.16 | abrotman | lunitik: i'd far prefer finding things than a nice logo |
| 18:53.27 | ajay | jelly-home: i need to update to unstable right? |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | blackelf: the one in xorg works if you jump through hoops |
| 18:53.32 | abrotman | liable: did you fail some test? |
| 18:53.35 | jelly-home | ajay: no. |
| 18:53.48 | blackelf | abrotman: but I want a fast 3d, not 5 fps |
| 18:53.58 | jelly-home | ajay: I said sarge will probably be ok, update only the kernel. |
| 18:54.04 | ajay | jok |
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| 18:54.06 | abrotman | blackelf: when mine worked ( i'm too lazy to try the fix) .. it was about 800fps or something |
| 18:54.07 | blackelf | I have openGL 3d now, but 3 fps is embarassing |
| 18:54.25 | blackelf | abrotman: I ment the performence in real OpenGL (with textures) application |
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| 18:54.39 | blackelf | not simple glxgears |
| 18:54.44 | zinx | intel video is broken for 3d accel even in windows :/ |
| 18:54.46 | jelly-home | blackelf: that's 2-3 times my score in 3Dmark2005! ;-) |
| 18:54.53 | zinx | enough that intel disabled acceleration for screensavers! |
| 18:55.10 | blackelf | well, I can live without 3d on laptop |
| 18:55.14 | abrotman | blackelf: yeah .. mine worked fine until the 69To7 Xorg transition |
| 18:55.21 | blackelf | only the missing fast direct drawing in mplayer is irritating |
| 18:55.30 | jelly-home | blackelf: what card? |
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| 18:55.51 | blackelf | same as last time, i915G (I am raf256, behold) |
| 18:55.54 | jelly-home | blackelf: ah. |
| 18:56.06 | blackelf | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 18:56.10 | jelly-home | blackelf: mplayer works fine here with -vo xv |
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| 18:57.23 | blackelf | hey |
| 18:57.24 | blackelf | it do work! |
| 18:57.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | MD5 can be reverse-engineered? |
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| 18:57.33 | blackelf | it must be the movie that was borked up |
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| 18:57.47 | ajay | does default sarge kernel has libata enabled? |
| 18:57.56 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, it's one way hashing, i cant be.. |
| 18:58.04 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | well... |
| 18:58.13 | blackelf | yey for the laptop usable with linux/debian for the "we will do the same what the pair in movie do" bedroom game |
| 18:58.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | get the pm cydork? |
| 18:58.37 | jelly-home | Silent_Chaos[CAN: yes, it can be reverse engineered but it makes no sense, since the algorythm is already open |
| 18:58.44 | ajay | for the ich6 dma problem |
| 18:58.52 | ajay | detects hard disk as hdc |
| 18:58.58 | ajay | and no dma |
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| 19:00.21 | DogWater | Anyone know if there is a version of the debian installer cd that works on the intel dual core motherboards? |
| 19:00.34 | ajay | lol |
| 19:00.37 | ajay | intel intel intel |
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| 19:01.07 | frankster | anybody use dmraid to mount a highpoint swraid partition? |
| 19:01.17 | YeTr2 | md5 is getting closer to being broken |
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| 19:01.53 | cydork | YeTr2, what do you mean by broken??? |
| 19:02.18 | YeTr2 | as in it's not to be entirely trusted anymore |
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| 19:03.07 | DogWater | trusted for what? |
| 19:03.34 | sanmarcos | accomplishment! |
| 19:03.57 | cydork | YeTr2, ya i will like to know what do you mean by that, Are you saying it can be unhashed or someting?? |
| 19:04.03 | dhuv | hello all I am having a problem with my debian amd64 server. Apparently there is a bug in the stable libc6 package as described here http://hashmysql.org/index.php?title=Opteron_HOWTO#pthread_rwlock_wrlock_hang_with_nptl |
| 19:04.10 | YeTr2 | ... youare going to go make me find the site while stuck in console, arn't you? |
| 19:04.30 | DocOC | what is YeTr2 saying is broken? |
| 19:04.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | md5 can be reversed |
| 19:04.34 | dhuv | The instructions say that I can install libc6 from testing which should resolve the problem but I cannot find an amd64 testing repository |
| 19:04.56 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, means what?? |
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| 19:05.27 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | passwords less secure |
| 19:05.29 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | oh well |
| 19:06.03 | blondie | Silent_Chaos[CAN: since when can MD5 be reversed? |
| 19:06.05 | dhuv | does anybody know if there is an amd64 testing repository? |
| 19:06.20 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, do you mean that they can be unhashed?? |
| 19:06.35 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | aye |
| 19:06.44 | blondie | Silent_Chaos[CAN: really, says who? |
| 19:06.46 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | give me a hashed string |
| 19:06.49 | stew | dhuv: in testing amd64 is in the main repositories |
| 19:07.01 | YeTr2 | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5 |
| 19:07.09 | dhuv | stew: where is that? |
| 19:07.15 | stew | dhuv: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:07.23 | blondie | Silent_Chaos[CAN: b8dba98fbd2ffd09ef2da5510877237a |
| 19:07.28 | lepton | Silent_Chaos[CAN: ok, reverse de2fe1847075cff79574a7450b98c6c1 |
| 19:07.34 | lepton | have fun |
| 19:07.35 | blackelf | damn |
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| 19:07.42 | YeTr2 | 4875a6c0d5eaa323c3a4803ba4202cae - |
| 19:07.46 | blackelf | video playback is broken |
| 19:07.48 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, 26a1f741f9f23684bf0a397dac12af8c |
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| 19:08.33 | lepton | that should keep him busy for a while |
| 19:08.39 | YeTr2 | hehe |
| 19:08.45 | dhuv | stew: I have checked the mirrors but when I go in the dist directory I dont see testing |
| 19:08.56 | YeTr2 | e1075bc60c06e9914d657c8c986dbe83 - |
| 19:08.59 | dhuv | and in some where I do see testing, it only has a README file |
| 19:09.02 | YeTr2 | I wonder if he'll figure out that one |
| 19:09.33 | blackelf | Silent_Chaos[CAN: 003b7868c283df2aa2e40b1c69d067e4 |
| 19:10.02 | YeTr2 | while we are at it, lets spam the channel with blowfish encryption too? |
| 19:10.02 | stew | dhuv: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/ for instance, or http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/ |
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| 19:10.18 | stew | why are we all spitting randome md5s into the channel? |
| 19:10.18 | blackelf | video playback of some .avis is broken in both kaffeine and mplayer what might be the cause? the colors are wrong, like if Hue is rotated or soemthing |
| 19:10.35 | dhuv | stew: But I think I would need http://ftp.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/dists/testing |
| 19:10.36 | cydork | stew, Coz Silent_Chaos[CAN says he can unhash it. |
| 19:10.44 | blackelf | stew: to challange the master hacker Silent_Chaos[CAN that will probably broke them in meare minutes |
| 19:10.47 | dhuv | which does NOT exist |
| 19:11.01 | abrotman | dhuv: no .. because it's in the main archive now |
| 19:11.07 | stew | dhuv: no, get rid of the -amd64 |
| 19:11.15 | dhuv | ohhhh ok |
| 19:11.20 | blackelf | my codecs for .avi are broken - rotated colors like red -> blue, what might be wrong |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | it's probably not debian/debian/dists |
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| 19:12.22 | blondie | Silent_Chaos[CAN: haven't you reversed them yet? |
| 19:12.23 | dhuv | stew: I hope it works |
| 19:12.32 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | nope |
| 19:12.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | its not working XD |
| 19:12.43 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | give me a simple word |
| 19:12.46 | blondie | Silent_Chaos[CAN: yes, because it's not physically possible |
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| 19:12.58 | dondelelcaro | it's possible, it just won't happen anytime soon |
| 19:13.01 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, are you talkin about some database?? |
| 19:13.02 | blondie | MD5 is mathematically proven to be irreversible |
| 19:13.15 | blondie | dondelelcaro: you can bruteforce, but you can't directly reverse it |
| 19:13.25 | dondelelcaro | blondie: in most cases |
| 19:13.49 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i could reverse "hello world" |
| 19:13.58 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | pm me some simple hashes |
| 19:13.58 | blondie | lol, so what |
| 19:14.02 | blondie | no |
| 19:14.08 | blondie | you wont reverse them, you'll look them up |
| 19:14.23 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, are you entering them into some database?? |
| 19:14.24 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | look them up? |
| 19:14.39 | blondie | yes, because that's the only way of doing it. |
| 19:14.44 | DocOC | Silent_Chaos[CAN: you are spamming the channel with news from 11 years ago. |
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| 19:15.08 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, can you explain what you are doing then? |
| 19:15.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | testing something |
| 19:15.40 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it doesn't work though |
| 19:15.48 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, which is what? |
| 19:15.56 | blondie | of course it doesn't work :) |
| 19:16.18 | frankster | does anybody use Highpoint swraid and get loads of seek errors from various tools on startup? (due to the partition being listed as twice the size of the hard disc) |
| 19:16.18 | DocOC | the reason he is asking for simple examples is because his technique does not work if the hash was created with a reasonable salt, or if the sting was multi-hashed. pure rubbish, and old news. |
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| 19:16.28 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | i was looking for a program to get a hash on my iso and found a site that said it could reverse hashes |
| 19:16.31 | cydork | blondie, that we knew already ;) |
| 19:16.43 | DocOC | s/sting/string/ |
| 19:16.44 | _fjh_ | blackelf: What format is in your avi? Which frontend? |
| 19:16.44 | cydork | Silent_Chaos[CAN, i thought so. |
| 19:16.46 | blondie | Silent_Chaos[CAN: yeah, it must be true if that's what it claims :D |
| 19:16.48 | dhuv | stew: that didnt work out so well, it wants to remove "base-config initrd-tools" |
| 19:17.02 | stew | dhuv: that sounds correct |
| 19:17.06 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it couldn't : / |
| 19:17.14 | dhuv | stew: dont I need those for my system? |
| 19:17.16 | stew | dhuv: base-config should be removed if you are upgrading to testing |
| 19:17.27 | stew | dhuv: correct |
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| 19:17.32 | dhuv | stew: I just want to install the libc6 from testing |
| 19:17.38 | stew | dhuv: err, i mean you don't need those for your system |
| 19:17.54 | stew | dhuv: dont' do that, either move all the way to testing or don't upgrade at all |
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| 19:18.27 | dhuv | there is no way to install the libc6 from testing? |
| 19:18.29 | jelly-home | "just" libc6? :-) |
| 19:18.37 | stew | dhuv: you don't want to do that |
| 19:18.38 | jelly-home | dhuv: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:18.51 | stew | dhuv: that would certainly not be a supported thing to do |
| 19:18.52 | dhuv | jelly-home: http://hashmysql.org/index.php?title=Opteron_HOWTO#pthread_rwlock_wrlock_hang_with_nptl |
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| 19:19.15 | dhuv | stew: I can see your point but there is a bug in mysql which is ONLY fixed in testing |
| 19:19.24 | dhuv | and I cannot run mysql without it |
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| 19:20.16 | stew | dhuv: please don't follow the instructions on that site, that is poor advice there |
| 19:20.24 | dhuv | stew: figured |
| 19:20.53 | stew | dhuv: you can upgrade your mysql to a newer version using backports, but not libc6, if you want to upgrade libc6 you upgrade fully to testing |
| 19:21.43 | dhuv | stew: the problem isnt with mysql, I have upgraded it using backports |
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| 19:22.59 | sepho | hi all! |
| 19:23.08 | sepho | how can i shutdown de X session? I forgot it :( |
| 19:23.16 | jelly-home | dhuv: oh well, seems you really want to upgrade libc6. Would it be acceptable if you just ran mysql without nptl? |
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| 19:24.03 | DocOC | sepho: ctrl-alt-backspace will get you out quick. |
| 19:24.23 | sepho | if i do it, i will go to gdm :( |
| 19:24.29 | sp0n9e | i got a new dell machine with SATA, how stable is etch beta 2? |
| 19:24.31 | stew | sepho: /etc/init.d/gpm stop |
| 19:24.31 | beardy | sepho: The session, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, the display manager of you run one, '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' |
| 19:24.41 | DocOC | sepho: what stew said. |
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| 19:24.46 | stew | err |
| 19:24.50 | stew | sepho: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:24.53 | beardy | No, that will leave you without mouse ;) |
| 19:24.56 | stew | yeah |
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| 19:25.04 | sepho | thanks! |
| 19:25.45 | dhuv | jelly-home: how do I just run it without nptl? |
| 19:26.32 | twotwenty | is it recommended to change ssh port? |
| 19:27.30 | jelly-home | dhuv: add export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 into mysql's init script, for example |
| 19:27.46 | DocOC | twotwenty: as long as all your ssh-clients know what port to use, sure, why not. |
| 19:28.05 | twotwenty | DocOC: and to avoid bruteforce too huh |
| 19:28.21 | DocOC | twotwenty: it's really not going to fool many attackers. |
| 19:28.36 | cydork | sp0n9e, do you have a sata cd-drive?? |
| 19:28.56 | DocOC | security through obfuscation rarely works, but hey, why not do it in addition to some real security policies. |
| 19:29.49 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, yes, it is recommended |
| 19:30.01 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, it stops all brute force attack from bots |
| 19:30.11 | twotwenty | i see |
| 19:30.12 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, do that, and PermitRootLogin no, also |
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| 19:30.24 | jelly-home | dhuv: your url recommends setting it to LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.19 |
| 19:30.24 | sanmarcos | no root login, you can do su from within a normal shell if you need it |
| 19:30.26 | twotwenty | <sanmarcos> twotwenty, do that, and PermitRootLogin no, also << already did |
| 19:30.37 | dhuv | jelly-home: I get a bunch of errors loading shared libraries |
| 19:30.42 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, disable password logins if you want the best security |
| 19:30.53 | dhuv | if I put that in the /etc/init.d/mysql script |
| 19:31.02 | twotwenty | sanmarcos: why? |
| 19:31.05 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, disable server strings also, you dont want to give informations |
| 19:31.25 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, because then you can use asymetric crypto to login. I.e public keys, and only if you have that key (a file) you can login |
| 19:31.26 | frankster | anybody use a highpoint 37x sw raid partition with 2.6.16? |
| 19:31.47 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, no use for user/pass. And people can waste their time guessing, they wont get anything |
| 19:32.01 | twotwenty | i see |
| 19:32.21 | sanmarcos | sanmarcos, also, if you are only going to use one users, do AllowUser user1 user2, much better than having all users enabled |
| 19:32.24 | jelly-home | dhuv: well, LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 works for me on 32bit, maybe something in amd64 requires not to be set lower than 2.4.19 |
| 19:32.38 | sanmarcos | sanmarcos, change your banner in /etc/issue.net, dont want to give out your distro name version anyways |
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| 19:33.19 | twotwenty | sanmarcos> sanmarcos, also, if you are only going to use one users, do AllowUser user1 user2, much better than having all users enabled << did this already |
| 19:33.20 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, I meant that last line for you, and also set SyslogFacility AUTH so bad login attempts go to /var/log/auth.log or lastb |
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| 19:33.27 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, LoginGraceTime 2m and MaxAuthTries 3 |
| 19:33.38 | twotwenty | ^^ good idea |
| 19:33.49 | twotwenty | 3 tries per 2 minute? |
| 19:34.10 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, no |
| 19:34.17 | sanmarcos | just max auth tries, i.e the user can try to guess 3 times |
| 19:34.23 | sanmarcos | and 2m is the timeout for any of the tries |
| 19:34.34 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, see also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 19:34.55 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, that will limit brute force attacks with Iptables |
| 19:35.07 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, I can help you set it up so that the rules are loaded/unloaded on ifup/down |
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| 19:36.11 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, that is pretty much all the advice on ssh security. The best thing is to use public keys (no passowrd login), and change the port to 44 (or choose a multiplier to which change your ports, so you can remember |
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| 19:37.08 | twotwenty | sanmarcos: what about if i want to login from another computer? |
| 19:37.15 | hjubal | hola |
| 19:37.18 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, then you create a public key |
| 19:37.20 | twotwenty | i think AllowUsers can solve my problem |
| 19:37.40 | sanmarcos | take it with you on a floppy, usb drive, etc. I suggest you google on ssh public key |
| 19:38.14 | twotwenty | what did you say about /etc/issue.net again |
| 19:38.26 | sanmarcos | oh just change that file, it is a banner displayed on login |
| 19:38.35 | sanmarcos | you dont want attackers to know you are running debian |
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| 19:39.12 | Maulkin | twotwenty: Also see fail2ban |
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| 19:39.24 | twotwenty | i thought /etc/motd was the banner? |
| 19:39.38 | dhuv | jelly-home: can you help me with recompiling the libc6 source in stable? I think think that is the safest solution |
| 19:39.42 | artistic_python | haha! theres more people on ubuntu then on debian! |
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| 19:41.02 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, that is message of the day |
| 19:41.09 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, issue is the local banner for normal logins |
| 19:41.20 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, issue.net is the one displayed for networked logins |
| 19:41.36 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, you can use /etc/motd with DisplayMotd sshd conf, |
| 19:41.58 | sanmarcos | twotwenty, PrintMotd that is |
| 19:42.24 | sanmarcos | motd is designed to be to give notices to users |
| 19:42.44 | free-zombie | how can I remove a package whose post-removal script fails ? |
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| 19:43.07 | sanmarcos | free-zombie, how does it fail?, which package? |
| 19:43.12 | sandra78 | help!!! |
| 19:43.29 | ry1 | sandra: what do you need help with? |
| 19:43.33 | sandra78 | does anybody know how can i send an email from shell? or command line? |
| 19:43.39 | ry1 | use mutt |
| 19:43.42 | ry1 | or pine |
| 19:43.45 | ry1 | I prefer mutt |
| 19:43.50 | free-zombie | sanmarcos, it's an unwisely alien --scripts 'd SuSE package which requires SuSEconfig |
| 19:44.03 | free-zombie | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.08 | sanmarcos | free-zombie, you are pretty much on your own |
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| 19:44.36 | free-zombie | ok - does anyone know how I can edit the dpkg database ? |
| 19:44.45 | sanmarcos | sandra78, echo "message body" | mail to@address -s "Subject" |
| 19:45.01 | sanmarcos | sandra78, I recommend you use mutt, but the mail command can let you format it by hand |
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| 19:45.08 | sanmarcos | sandra78, also you need an mta |
| 19:45.27 | sanmarcos | !tell sandra78 about mta |
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| 19:45.55 | ry1 | sanmarcos: do you know where I can get a working config file for 2.6.17.7? |
| 19:46.01 | sanmarcos | I recommend postfix, and once you have it installed and working (given your isp does not block outgoing port 25, as most do), you can just telnet localhost 25 |
| 19:46.11 | sanmarcos | ry1, just install the debian packages ? |
| 19:46.19 | sanmarcos | ry1, linux-image |
| 19:46.28 | jelly-home | dhuv: I'm not sure that's the smartest idea. Do you have any experience in backporting packages? |
| 19:46.42 | ry1 | sanmarcos: there is no kernel image with speakup compiled in the 2.6 tree |
| 19:46.44 | dhuv | jelly-home: no but there are no other options |
| 19:46.59 | sanmarcos | ry1, get the kernel source then, compile it yourself |
| 19:47.03 | jelly-home | dhuv: well, you could upgrade to testing. :-/ |
| 19:47.06 | dhuv | :) |
| 19:47.14 | sanmarcos | !tell ry1 about debian-kernel |
| 19:47.29 | dhuv | jelly-home: is that the best approach? |
| 19:47.31 | stew | dhuv: if this is only a 64 bit problem you could install a 32 bit userland |
| 19:47.53 | ry1 | sanmarcos: done that three times so far, for some reason, no matter what I try, it fails to mount the root fs |
| 19:48.05 | jelly-home | dhuv: I think this would get you much the same result as if you upgraded only libc6, so you might as well try that first. |
| 19:48.08 | sanmarcos | ry1, what fs is your / ?, what error do you get? |
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| 19:48.42 | dhuv | stew: that would be fine if the problem was with mysql right? but I think its a problem that needs to be fixed with libc6 |
| 19:48.46 | ry1 | sanmarcos: ext3, and it just says kernel panic, can not mount root partition |
| 19:48.48 | dhuv | jelly-home: I guess |
| 19:48.50 | sanmarcos | ry1, if your root fs' kernel module is not compiled as built-in, then you need a initrd |
| 19:48.57 | ry1 | oh... |
| 19:49.06 | free-zombie | where does dpkg store information about which packages are installed ? |
| 19:49.06 | dhuv | so I just change my sources.list to testing and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:49.18 | ry1 | so if I use the kpkg initrd option, it should have a better shot at working? |
| 19:49.19 | wsjunior | is there any way to remove all the content of the bash history before finish a session? |
| 19:49.37 | sanmarcos | ry1, just compile your root fs as builtin, or try this |
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| 19:49.45 | lunitik | free-zombie: /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 19:49.55 | sanmarcos | ry1, grep -R "CONFIG_EXT3_FS" /boot/config-fuckedupversion |
| 19:49.57 | jelly-home | dhuv: I have account on an intel amd64 machine where they run mysql on sarge, but the root has put mode 700 on /etc/init.d/mysql si I can't see what's in there. Looks like they haven't upgraded libc6. |
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| 19:50.11 | bluefox83 | ok, i evidentally have some mesa gl drivers installed..how do i find out which ones they are and get rid of them so i can replace them with the nvidia ones? |
| 19:50.13 | sanmarcos | ry1, see if its m or y, if its m, you have to choices, make it Y, and recompile, or create an initrd so the kernel can mount your fs |
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| 19:50.18 | sanmarcos | !tell ry1 about initrd |
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| 19:50.42 | ry1 | sanmarcos: thanks, giving it a try |
| 19:51.01 | sanmarcos | ry1, any time |
| 19:51.02 | dhuv | jelly-home: you dont have to upgrade it, you can just patch the 2.3.2 version |
| 19:51.20 | dhuv | it has worked for other people http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/mysql/2006-q3/0719.html |
| 19:51.24 | jelly-home | dhuv: oh. rebuilding only with the patch might work. |
| 19:51.29 | frankster | wsjunior: you could probably rm ~/.bash_history in your ~/.bash_logout |
| 19:51.32 | dhuv | yes thats what I am saying |
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| 19:51.38 | dhuv | I want to know how to do that |
| 19:51.43 | frankster | wsjunior: assuming you use bash of course :) |
| 19:51.47 | dhuv | I already did an apt-get source libc6 |
| 19:52.05 | jelly-home | dhuv: you've read /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:52.06 | dhuv | I see a patches directory in the DEBIAN directory |
| 19:52.15 | wsjunior | frankster: ok but it stores the rm command in the file |
| 19:52.30 | wsjunior | frankster: i would like to have a blank history when i log back |
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| 19:52.52 | lunitik | wsjunior: thats what his suggestion would do... |
| 19:53.05 | dhuv | jelly-home: thats for sid backport |
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| 19:53.27 | jelly-home | dhuv: that's for backport from sid, rebuilding the package is much the same. |
| 19:53.30 | free-zombie | lunitik, thanks. |
| 19:53.31 | dhuv | I need to patch the sarge version and rebuild it |
| 19:53.36 | lunitik | wsjunior: maybe instead of bash_logout ... put it in bash_profile or bashrc? |
| 19:53.46 | dhuv | I am not sure about the patching |
| 19:53.54 | Althaser | I have a lot of messages from syslog-ng how can I stop to log on console ? please |
| 19:53.56 | dhuv | can I just put the patch in the patches directory? |
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| 19:54.31 | lunitik | wsjunior: that way it'd be removed when you login, rather than when you logout... but I think that'd result in the same thing... |
| 19:54.41 | ladskfjwwe | so which mirrors are not down? |
| 19:54.46 | jelly-home | dhuv: you have to figure out where to put the patch, make sure it's in correct format, and look if there's a list of patches to be applied somewhere |
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| 19:55.01 | lunitik | ladskfjwwe: ftp.us.debian.org is fine here at the moment |
| 19:55.12 | ladskfjwwe | thanks |
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| 19:55.24 | ladskfjwwe | i tried that |
| 19:55.26 | ladskfjwwe | broke |
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| 19:56.04 | jelly-home | dhuv: there's 00list under debian/patches/ |
| 19:56.32 | wsjunior | lunitik: no it still have some registers when i log in back |
| 19:57.13 | dhuv | jelly-home: so put the patch in the patches directory and update the 00list? |
| 19:57.31 | jelly-home | dhuv: aaand, there are debian/README and debian/FAQ for those brave enough to want to build their own libc6! |
| 19:57.53 | jelly-home | dhuv: I guess so. |
| 19:58.20 | jelly-home | dhuv: I'd add it at the end, not to mix up some other patch. |
| 19:59.17 | dhuv | jelly-home: thanks |
| 19:59.22 | dhuv | let me check them out |
| 19:59.43 | dhuv | jelly-home: I think that this patch is not in the same format as the dpatch files |
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| 20:00.44 | abrotman | i'd like B&B now ... |
| 20:00.46 | ry1 | how do I extract the config file from a debian kernel-image package? |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | !kernel configs |
| 20:00.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 20:01.09 | abrotman | ry1: in general .. ar x <pkg> .. look in the data.tar.gz .. find the file you want |
| 20:01.10 | stew | ry1: with dpkg -x, man dpkg |
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| 20:01.49 | ry1 | thanks |
| 20:02.28 | jelly-home | dhuv: hm, those dpatch files seem to add just a piece of script code before the diff. Shouldn't be too hard to copy it and adjust -p option for patch (PATCHLEVEL=...) |
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| 20:04.28 | frankster | wsjunior: other option would be to unset HISTFILE |
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| 20:05.46 | abrotman | stew: those are pretty out of date now aren't they ? |
| 20:06.03 | abrotman | well . the 2.6.15 ones i mean |
| 20:06.16 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 20:06.19 | roxy_ | anyone being able to input kanji on debian ? I would like to do it but don't know where to start(been trying scim without success) so a tutorial or how-to would be welcome |
| 20:06.29 | abrotman | i don't know that there's been a new 2.4.27 in sid or etch |
| 20:07.27 | sanmarcos | is there any way to save my :abbreviations in vim ? |
| 20:08.19 | roxy_ | sanmarcos: you could ask in #vim |
| 20:09.02 | sanmarcos | roxy_, no need, Vim's help is the bomb |
| 20:09.43 | dhuv | jelly-home: The bottom of the FAQ has another mention of LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 |
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| 20:10.16 | dhuv | does anybody know how to use LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 to cause an application to use linux threads rather than nptl |
| 20:10.47 | sanmarcos | roxy_, well it sucks that nobody likes implementing vim under a good ui, since in Windows, it is what I use to type, it is so powerful, so fast, man, I even do my word processing with it, even when it is extremely tedious, I am willing to overlook it |
| 20:11.10 | maxxle | I've problems with an NFS-Share. I want to write to it as root. Mount tells me /mnt/backup on /mnt/backup type nfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,addr=192.168.100.2) ...drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2006-08-07 12:25 backup |
| 20:11.11 | maxxle | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.23 | sanmarcos | roxy_, as old as it is, I cant find any editor other than emacs that matches all the features of vim in Win32, or Linux. There is TextMate but it is only mac |
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| 20:14.23 | roxy_ | sanmarcos: isn't gvim a ui vim ? |
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| 20:14.36 | sanmarcos | roxy_, it is what it is |
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| 20:16.55 | tkup | is there a good reading about how to analyze core dumps? |
| 20:17.08 | peder_ | http://www.petruz.org/sysinfo2/ <- Does anyone know how I can fix that error? The user who's running the web-server is www-data , I guess that user dont have access to /bin/df , how can I give that? |
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| 20:17.14 | sepho | hi all! |
| 20:17.17 | sepho | I've a problem with nvidia drivers, I use debian, and I downloaded and installed nvidia legacy drivers (for Nvidia Tnt2) and I changed Driver "nv" with "nvidia", Load "glx" and remove Load "dri", but when I try to start X, show me error that say Can't load nvidia driver, what's wrong? :( |
| 20:17.24 | tuv | maxxle, maybe there is root squashing in the server. check out exports file on the server |
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| 20:17.38 | abrotman | !tell sepho about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:17.56 | maxxle | tuv: On server: /mnt/backup 192.168.100.0/24(rw) |
| 20:18.27 | tuv | sepho, do you have nvidia-glx installed (nvidia X module/driver)? |
| 20:18.43 | abrotman | peder_: you could ratchet down the PHP warning level .. or fix the code |
| 20:19.21 | sepho | tuv: I just install Nvidia official driver |
| 20:19.36 | sanmarcos | tkup, use the phpsysinfo package from debian |
| 20:19.40 | sanmarcos | tkup, check the apache error log |
| 20:19.43 | peder_ | abrotman- easier said than done, huh? :p |
| 20:19.46 | sanmarcos | tkup, make sure there is an a+x on df |
| 20:20.03 | sepho | how can I load module? |
| 20:20.04 | maxxle | oh.... No space left on device .... argh :) I think got it |
| 20:20.07 | sanmarcos | sepho, modprobe |
| 20:20.14 | tuv | maxxle, read man exports: root squashing is on by default. use no_root_squash to allow root access as root |
| 20:20.14 | jelly-home | peder_: you are running in a chroot jail. additional binaries aren't available by design. |
| 20:20.20 | sanmarcos | sepho, lsmod to list, rmmod to remove, modconf to configure, /etc/modules to add to a list |
| 20:20.33 | tuv | sepho, install nvidia-glx |
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| 20:20.39 | peder_ | jelly-home- no im not? |
| 20:20.42 | dvs | dont' use rmmod to remove modules |
| 20:20.56 | tuv | sepho, if you're using nvidia's installer, then i don't know |
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| 20:21.07 | [Cadet] | wow |
| 20:21.14 | _fjh_ | tkup, I do not know the exact status on linux. Normally you load them into the debugger: gdb[ret] core core.20012[ret] bt[ret] and start from there |
| 20:21.15 | jelly-home | peder_: oh, never mind then, I'm being stupid. |
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| 20:21.53 | sepho | tuv: how can I install nvidia-glx on debian? in the apt list only show me xserver-xorg-nvidia and it's installed |
| 20:22.14 | tuv | sepho, that's probably the nv driver from xorg |
| 20:22.36 | tuv | sepho, are you running stable? or testing/unstable? |
| 20:22.42 | tkup | sanmarcos, I think you meant to msg somebody else |
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| 20:23.13 | sanmarcos | tkup, oh yeah, peder_ |
| 20:23.21 | jelly-home | peder_: you can use the correct /etc/php4/*/php.ini to hide php errors from user, display_errors option |
| 20:23.31 | sepho | tuv: unstable |
| 20:23.44 | njkt | sepho, you need to enable non-free in your apt sources (i usually enabled contrib and non-free) then use apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 20:24.02 | tkup | _fjh_, I'll try that thanks |
| 20:24.03 | tuv | sepho, then there is nvidia-glx |
| 20:24.04 | peder_ | jelly-home- I see, but that wouldnt solve the problem, cause the mounted filesystems arent listed |
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| 20:24.29 | tuv | sepho, and there is nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 20:24.53 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how would one create mounts with unionfs in fstab? |
| 20:24.58 | tuv | sepho, if not, then maybe you need to add "non-free" to your sources.list |
| 20:25.17 | sepho | tuv in unstable? |
| 20:25.23 | tuv | yes |
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| 20:25.49 | tuv | sepho, check on packages.debian.org |
| 20:25.51 | _fjh_ | tkup: How did you get coredumps in Debian? |
| 20:26.04 | sepho | thanks :) |
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| 20:26.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is there a way to schedule aliases and commands for automatic execution on startup? |
| 20:26.42 | jelly-home | peder_: Looks like the script chokes on errors from df, in which case, fix the code. |
| 20:27.10 | burhan | a silly question, when apt-cache showpkg lists dependencies, are these the programs that will be removed if this package is removed, or these programs will not work if this package is not installed? |
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| 20:27.15 | asg | Silent_Chaos[CAN: when the system comes up or when you log in? |
| 20:27.18 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, did you mean on boot or on login/shell startup? |
| 20:27.19 | jelly-home | peder_: do you get the same errors when you run df in terminal? |
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| 20:27.45 | tkup | _fjh_, I just realized I got a dump on a redhat instead. so, that's redhat I thought was a debian. I guess it doesn't matter too much |
| 20:27.54 | peder_ | jelly-home- no, works fine there.. and check http://www.petruz.org/sysinfo/ |
| 20:28.01 | tkup | _fjh_, to answer your question, this is named that dumped |
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| 20:28.32 | tuv | burhan, these are the packages that will get automatically installed if you try to install that package. sometimes they get removed if it is removed and no other package depends on them |
| 20:28.51 | eegore | Is Zebra good as a routing deamon? |
| 20:28.54 | asg | burhan: you can also use deborphan and debfoster to remove cruft |
| 20:29.00 | burhan | tuv: what does the number after the name of the program mean? |
| 20:29.10 | tuv | burhan, i think they will be removed if no other dependency needs them only if you use aptitude |
| 20:29.19 | tuv | burhan, version? |
| 20:29.28 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | asg/tuv, I want my server to mount /home/data/ and /dev/hdb1/ to /share/ on boot |
| 20:29.36 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | with unionfs |
| 20:29.41 | asg | Silent_Chaos[CAN: /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:29.43 | burhan | something like this ... eject (0 (null)) ethtool (0 (null)) findutils (0 (null)) ??? |
| 20:29.50 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, man fstab |
| 20:29.53 | asg | Silent_Chaos[CAN: or read the fstab manpage |
| 20:29.54 | burhan | I'm not sure if this is a virtual package, or something else. |
| 20:30.12 | tuv | Silent_Chaos[CAN, basically will need to edit /etc/fstab |
| 20:30.15 | jelly-home | peder_: well, /sysinfo/ looks fine. what happens if you run df as www-data user? |
| 20:30.18 | maxxle | tuv: It was the root_squash problem - thx |
| 20:30.28 | _fjh_ | tkup, I doubt that named is compiled with debugging symbol, so bt(backtrace) will give you only memory address. |
| 20:30.30 | tuv | maxxle, np |
| 20:30.35 | keith80403 | How do I create an ISO of about 8gb size that can be burned to a blank DVD? Would I use growisofs ? |
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| 20:31.05 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is unionfs compatible with fstab? |
| 20:31.51 | asg | Silent_Chaos[CAN: anything that mount(1) can mount can be mounted on boot by adding appropriate entries to /etc/fstab |
| 20:31.57 | peder_ | jelly-home- it works great with /dev/hdd2 , but it fails with :/bin/df: `/jail/glftpd/site/disk2': Permission denied |
| 20:32.14 | burhan | tuv: any idea on those numbers? |
| 20:32.45 | tuv | burhan, do you have (null) next to every package? |
| 20:33.12 | burhan | tuv: yeah |
| 20:33.23 | tuv | burhan, can you apt-get update? |
| 20:34.00 | tkup | _fjh_, yeah it says that it's stripped |
| 20:34.16 | burhan | tuv: sure, but ... my question is, how can I tell what will happen if this package is removed? Because it lists ... all kinds of base commands :S |
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| 20:35.22 | tuv | burhan, a dependency is not removed when you remove the dependent package unless: 1) it is no longer used by any other package. 2) you removed the dependent with aptitude |
| 20:35.34 | frankster | can anybody tell me why loads of my dev names exist only in /dev/.static/dev/ ? does this mean udev can't detect those devices and some other software has added them? |
| 20:35.50 | burhan | tuv: hrmm, okay thanks. I'll investigate this a bit more. |
| 20:35.54 | jelly-home | peder_: so the script has problems when df returns some errors. Dunno, as quick workaround I'd find out where is /bin/df invoked and try hiding stderr, eg. instead /bin/df ... call /bin/df ... 2> /dev/null |
| 20:36.01 | tuv | burhan, you can never get into trouble when removing packages. it's safe |
| 20:36.33 | eegore | has Zaebra been replaced? |
| 20:36.34 | asg | tuv: 'apt-get remove libc6' (will give your system a nasty shock) |
| 20:36.39 | peder_ | jelly-home- you wouldnt suspect there were some chmodding to do with /jail/glftpd/site/disk2 , or chown ? |
| 20:36.44 | burhan | tuv: okay thanks :) |
| 20:36.53 | asg | eegore: most people doing non-trivial routing on Linux systems use gated |
| 20:36.54 | tkup | _fjh_, I've hadded ""core.%e.%p.%s.%t" to /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern to get more info such as the exit signal. |
| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | peder_: those chmods are there for a reason, I think. |
| 20:37.27 | tuv | asg, i guess that what would i want if i use that command :P |
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| 20:38.13 | eegore | asg; I am setting up a router with three wan interfaces |
| 20:38.13 | eegore | port specific routing to certain interfaces |
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| 20:38.34 | jelly-home | peder_: unless you put them there and forgot what use they were... however the script should handle errors more gracefully. |
| 20:39.11 | asg | tuv: well, you'd have to force it, the system is robust enough to warn you if you do :) |
| 20:39.19 | ry1 | I read somewhere that when compiling a kernel, it is not good to include PCMCIA supprt within the kernel itself but rather as a module. Does that include basic PCMCIA bus support as well? |
| 20:39.24 | evi|one | Hello. I don't want a daemon (apache) to start automatically. Should I just remove the symlinks from /etc/rc*.d? |
| 20:39.30 | asg | eegore: your best resource will be lartc.org (and the routing FAQ located there.) |
| 20:39.50 | asg | evi|one: you can as well as running update-rc.d -f apache remove |
| 20:39.53 | eegore | asg: gated has some very incompatible license issues |
| 20:40.08 | tuv | isn't there an /etc/default/apache[2] kinda thing to control apache? |
| 20:40.13 | evi|one | asg: alright, thanks. |
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| 20:40.58 | _fjh_ | tkup: This gives here 'core', but I have seen no coredump uptonow? You could recompile your application with '-g' to get more info. Is this bind? |
| 20:41.01 | asg | eegore: then look to lartc.org. For 3 interfaces, you don't need a routing daemon. |
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| 20:41.37 | bluefox83 | how do i define "cc"? |
| 20:41.55 | bluefox83 | and then make sure it's in "PATH"? |
| 20:42.13 | stew | bluefox83: update-alternatives --config cc |
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| 20:43.02 | bluefox83 | stew: it returned "no alternatives for cc" |
| 20:43.22 | stew | bluefox83: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 20:44.41 | bluefox83 | stew: that installs gcc-4.1, can the update-alternatives --config cc still work? |
| 20:45.03 | bluefox83 | er, can that make it use the older gcc? |
| 20:45.10 | stew | bluefox83: yes, but install gcc-4.1 will automatically set cc to gcc-4.1 |
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| 20:45.43 | stew | bluefox83: if you want to use an older gcc it is recommended that you tell your makefiles which to use via a CC env variable |
| 20:46.06 | tkup | _fjh_, I'm not sure if a 'coredump' is any different from a 'core' (I believe that there isn't any difference). but the actual dump that named/bind leaves is a file called core.<pid>. I'm fixing to install gdb and gcc as they're missing from this installtion. |
| 20:46.08 | jetscreamer | tell him how... export gcc=blah |
| 20:46.09 | dondelelcaro | or by running make CC=gcc-oldbuggyversion |
| 20:46.14 | azeem | I'm not sure apt-get install gcc-4.1 will set cc to gcc-4.1, you'd need to install/upgrade the gcc meta package for that I thought |
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| 20:46.35 | jelly-home | is python2.4 scheduled to be /usr/bin/python in etch? |
| 20:46.41 | azeem | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:46.48 | beardy | jelly-home: very likely |
| 20:46.56 | eegore | I hate tin=meouts |
| 20:47.48 | jelly-home | azeem: nice. any idea when is the breakage, er, transition to take place? |
| 20:48.31 | zskdan | hi plz how can i enable core dumping in Debian etch?? |
| 20:48.32 | azeem | jelly-home: ASAP |
| 20:49.02 | drasko | hi all. How to find my public IP. I am behind home router. |
| 20:49.05 | stew | azeem: right but installing build-essential will bring in the gcc package which sets the link |
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| 20:49.11 | azeem | yeah |
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| 20:50.12 | _fjh_ | tkup, no I was just wondering how I could enable them here. I guess debugging bind is way out of my scope. |
| 20:50.15 | eegore | is the debian .org repos down? |
| 20:50.21 | tuv | drasko, check your router's web interface |
| 20:50.24 | azeem | eegore: probably not |
| 20:50.56 | eegore | got to look at my resolve.conf |
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| 20:51.25 | _fjh_ | zskdan, good question. No idea. I was just wondering the same. |
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| 20:51.54 | zskdan | drasko check http://www.whatismyip.org/ |
| 20:52.00 | drasko | tuv, that is the only way? Like using Windows... |
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| 20:52.33 | ion_bidon | hello, is it possible to download all the dependencies of a package ? |
| 20:52.36 | tuv | drasko, well your router is another machine. unless you have access to it, it is like windows |
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| 20:52.43 | ion_bidon | to have a offline instalation |
| 20:53.09 | stew | ion_bidon: apt-get -d install packagename |
| 20:53.27 | tuv | ion_bidon, or download debian cds |
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| 20:53.47 | jelly-home | zskdan: ulimit -c unlimited doesn't work? |
| 20:53.55 | drasko | zskdan, are you shure it's working? |
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| 20:54.35 | _fjh_ | tkup, are you aware of 'ndc trace'? I think this is a way increasing the verbosity in the logfiles, maybe it helps determing what is done before the crash. |
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| 20:55.50 | zskdan | darsko, yes ,does it work for u ?? |
| 20:55.50 | ion_bidon | stew: this will only download packages to upgrade |
| 20:55.50 | ion_bidon | tuv: yes I know that, I was just looking for a simple way to do it |
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| 20:55.57 | tuv | ion_bidon, the download-only option (what stew said) |
| 20:56.23 | ion_bidon | ok I will try |
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| 20:56.59 | rsteele | Good afternoon all |
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| 20:57.42 | eegore | I will try a staic ip, I have better luck with thiose |
| 20:57.42 | lunitik | stew: I think it was you that pointed me towards dervish, thank you, finally got a decent understanding of what it is due to it making the news rounds today... |
| 20:58.00 | lunitik | stew: probably should have looked more into it when you brought it up though :o |
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| 20:58.46 | rsteele | I was toying around with Apache2 on a box, but decided I wanted to purge all the configs and such and start fresh. I used the command dpkg --purge apache2, but it didn't remove /etc/apache2. So, I manually did so by executing: rm -rf /etc/apache2. Now, however, when I attempt to apt-get apache2, it doesn't create /etc/apache2 |
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| 20:59.14 | lunitik | eegore: where do I recognize you from? just here? |
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| 20:59.57 | rsteele | However, apache2 is dependant upon the /etc/apache2 directory and its subfolder.... any ideas on how to let apt-get know that it needs to install /etc/apache2 as well?? |
| 20:59.57 | abrotman | rsteele: apache2-common |
| 21:00.02 | lunitik | eegore: you seem to be asking somewhat basic questions to be a #debian regular... but I swear I've seen your nick before someplace |
| 21:00.09 | eegore | linux link tech show? |
| 21:00.24 | tkup | _fjh_, I did increased the level to 3 prior to the crash but it didn't yield anything. increasing it further might degrade the response |
| 21:00.31 | rsteele | abrotman: No dice. |
| 21:00.34 | lunitik | eegore: pretty sure its from IRC :/ |
| 21:00.41 | rsteele | abrotman: still doesn't create /etc/apache2 |
| 21:00.50 | abrotman | rsteele: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:01.49 | eegore | lunitik: freenode and the techshow are the only servers I really go to |
| 21:02.17 | lunitik | eegore: where else have you been a regular before on freenode? |
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| 21:03.02 | eegore | justlinux, linuxn00bs Ubuntu, SuSe |
| 21:03.17 | eegore | to name a few |
| 21:03.28 | lunitik | eegore: ahh... probably #ubuntu ... meh |
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| 21:04.49 | rsteele | abrotman: still didn't work :-/ |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | rsteele: what command did you use? |
| 21:05.15 | stew | rsteele: exactly what didn't work? |
| 21:05.21 | eegore | for some reason, I cannot make it out of this one box to the net |
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| 21:05.31 | rsteele | abrotman: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 |
| 21:05.41 | stew | rsteele: apache2-common not apahce2 |
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| 21:05.49 | eegore | I cannot even ping my dns servers |
| 21:05.54 | abrotman | i told you apache2-common :) |
| 21:06.04 | rsteele | Ugh, forgive me for being dense |
| 21:06.08 | rsteele | Thank you :-) |
| 21:06.15 | abrotman | i'd smack you .. but sounds like i'd be the one getting hurt :) |
| 21:06.32 | rsteele | Haha, the way today is going, I think you might be right ^_^ |
| 21:07.00 | ry1 | when I try to load an alternate config file into the kernel, I get a bunch of warnings trying to assign non existant simbles. is this something I can safely disregard? or do I have a botched config? |
| 21:07.14 | ry1 | *kernel compile process* |
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| 21:07.29 | abrotman | symbols ? |
| 21:07.39 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | :O |
| 21:07.42 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | it works! |
| 21:07.59 | ry1 | yes, it flashes by quite quickly, but it says something like: "3331, trying to assign non existant simble "m" |
| 21:08.06 | eegore | anyone got an ip address of a repos I can test? |
| 21:08.09 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I just set up a unionfs mount in fstab and it actually works |
| 21:08.15 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks for your help guys |
| 21:09.05 | lunitik | eegore: 35.9.37.225 (michigan state uni) |
| 21:09.19 | ry1 | abrotman: I get those warnings when trying to load an alternate config file through make menuconfig |
| 21:09.20 | eegore | tnx |
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| 21:10.20 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | is there a way to declare directory priority for writing with unionfs? |
| 21:10.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | (fill this drive before this drive) |
| 21:10.42 | ry1 | lunitik: it isn't old, it's just that whenever I try to compile a kernel on it's own, I always get panics |
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| 21:10.52 | ry1 | so I wanted to try a good default config |
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| 21:11.28 | stew | ry1: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 21:11.37 | eegore | this is odd, I have three interfaces on this machine al configured static and they only work through the local network but cannot reach the net |
| 21:11.40 | abrotman | ry1: how about this .. Why are you compiling your kernel? |
| 21:11.41 | jetscreamer | doh't use initrd |
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| 21:11.57 | ry1 | abrotman: I need a 2.6 kernel with madwifi and speakup |
| 21:12.06 | abrotman | ok .. why didn't you ask us? |
| 21:12.08 | stew | ry1: are you creating initrds? |
| 21:12.39 | abrotman | i believe the 2.6 kernels have that .. and madwifi doesn't require a complete recompile |
| 21:12.59 | dhuv | I did "apt-get source libc6", put the patch that I need in the debian/patches/ and edited the debian/patches/00list file to include that patch |
| 21:13.00 | abrotman | nope .. i was wrong about speakup |
| 21:13.09 | chuck1 | laptop thief http://www.boind.com/fs.php?url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2061842890783782238 |
| 21:13.17 | abrotman | chuck1: wrong channel |
| 21:13.28 | ry1 | abrotman: from what I've seen and tried, there isn't a kernel 2.6 that has speakup compiled into it |
| 21:13.38 | abrotman | ry1: it seems you're correct |
| 21:13.39 | dhuv | I am trying "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b" to build the package but I think this is wrong. |
| 21:13.51 | dhuv | what is the correct way to build that package after I apt-get source |
| 21:14.04 | ry1 | stew: I was not enitially using initrds, might this solve my problem? |
| 21:14.08 | chuck1 | wrong channel? |
| 21:14.10 | stew | ry1: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 21:14.10 | cydork | !source |
| 21:14.11 | dpkg | from memory, source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
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| 21:14.24 | ry1 | stew: kk, sorry for my stupidity :) |
| 21:14.31 | stew | ry1: yes, you either need to alter the config so that root can be mounted without using modules, or you need an initrd |
| 21:14.57 | ry1 | stew: are there any disadvantages to using an initrd? |
| 21:15.10 | ry1 | kpkg seemed to think so |
| 21:15.18 | stew | ry1: a slower boot time |
| 21:15.27 | stew | ry1: by 15 seconds maybe? |
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| 21:15.56 | ry1 | oh, that doesn't matter then, it's a laptop, so I won't need to boot often unless swsus doesn't work properly :) |
| 21:16.02 | dhuv | ok, so I had the right command afterall, does anyone know why I get "debian/rules.d/tarball.mk:2: *** multiple target patterns. Stop." |
| 21:16.59 | dhuv | I dont see anywhere in the debian/rules.d/tarball.mk where it is mentioning another arch |
| 21:17.23 | ry1 | stew: most of the default settings in the kernel should be fine? |
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| 21:17.59 | cydork | dhuv, which package are you trying to compile? |
| 21:18.15 | stew | ry1: swsusp might require an initrd anyway |
| 21:18.39 | stew | ry1: i don't know what a default config entails |
| 21:18.39 | ry1 | stew: okay, I'll let you know if it works in a few :) |
| 21:18.49 | jetscreamer | ry1: yeah, but you need to be sure to compile in (y) support for your hardware, esp the ide/hd controller one (if you're not going to use initrd) then just take out modules that you know for sure you don't need, leave anything you're not sure about at it's default |
| 21:19.26 | streuner | fuck with a big dildo into ass ! :-) |
| 21:19.28 | stew | i think he needs to use an initrd |
| 21:19.28 | dhuv | cydork: libc |
| 21:19.31 | dhuv | libc6 |
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| 21:19.40 | stew | streuner: ? |
| 21:19.51 | streuner | stew: ! |
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| 21:20.22 | eegore | what is the commend to restart an interface. I forgot |
| 21:20.25 | azeem | streuner: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for offensive and off-topic talk |
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| 21:20.44 | jetscreamer | !kill azeem |
| 21:20.49 | abrotman | eegore: ifup ifdown |
| 21:20.58 | azeem | jetscreamer: please /msg the bot |
| 21:21.02 | stew | eegore: "ifdown ifname ; ifup ifname" for a particular interface, or "/etc/init.d/networking restart" for all interfaces |
| 21:21.19 | jetscreamer | !tell azeem -about kill azeem |
| 21:21.34 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 21:21.49 | jelly-home | ugh |
| 21:22.12 | cydork | dhuv: why???? |
| 21:22.26 | ry1 | stew: sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but if I am going to use the pcmcia-source package, do I have to compile in support for the PCMCIA buss into the kernel still? |
| 21:22.44 | jelly-home | dhuv: hey there, did you get anywhere with that? |
| 21:23.10 | stew | ry1: pcmcia is included in the kernel, why would you use the pcmcia-source package? |
| 21:23.28 | ry1 | stew: I read somewhere that you get better support if it was a module |
| 21:23.40 | ry1 | from that package rather than in the kernel directly |
| 21:23.42 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | can I reference /dev/hdb1/... as a directory for unionfs or do I need a mount point? |
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| 21:24.13 | stew | !info pcmcia-source |
| 21:24.19 | dpkg | pcmcia-source: (Old PCMCIA kernel modules source), section admin, is extra. Version: 3.2.8-8 (sid), Packaged size: 1111 kB, Installed size: 1176 kB |
| 21:25.00 | stew | ry1: the description even says "Old" i think that might have been true with the 2.4 series kernels at one time, but i think you are using old information |
| 21:25.14 | ry1 | oh, that's possible... thanks |
| 21:25.41 | eegore | Goping to try quagga, normally I would configure static routes but with three wan sources, I have to implements dynamic failovers |
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| 21:29.04 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | how do i update software with apt-get? |
| 21:29.22 | dondelelcaro | !debian mantra |
| 21:29.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
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| 21:29.34 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | thanks |
| 21:29.54 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | does it automatically stop the processes before updating or do I have to do that? |
| 21:30.10 | dondelelcaro | Silent_Chaos[CAN: it does whatever needs to be done to do the upgrade |
| 21:30.19 | eegore | god i love using my pc as a phone |
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| 21:30.55 | abrotman | so soon?! |
| 21:31.59 | streuner | azeem: you are a big asshole :-) |
| 21:32.08 | abrotman | oh .. that's a good idea |
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| 21:32.39 | azeem | streuner: please keep insults to /queries |
| 21:32.48 | streuner | np |
| 21:33.02 | abrotman | can we get a log at least? |
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| 21:33.35 | frankster | anybody here having problems with highpoint 372 software raid discs causing loads of read errors while booting due to their "invalid" partition tables? |
| 21:33.50 | abrotman | frankster: have you changed anything recently? |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | frankster: like kernels or anything of the sort? added drives or anything ? |
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| 21:35.06 | abrotman | ok .. well then .. |
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| 21:35.46 | frankster | abrotman: no I've just set my pc up at the weekend. I've put 2.6.16 kernel on and I'm using udev and dmraid. dmraid mounts my hpt RAID0 partition (though it ends up in /dev/.static/dev but thats another story!)....what happens is the partition table on the first disc is twice as big as the disc, so l;oads of programs try and read invalid sectors at bootup |
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| 21:36.35 | abrotman | frankster: uh .. that sounds bad |
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| 21:37.41 | ry1 | in the case of a laptop using several PCMCIA cards, not all of them in at the same time, would it be better to compile their drivers as modules, thus making me have to modprobe the driver of any card I slide in, or can I just put them all into the kernel? |
| 21:38.42 | frankster | abrotman: hehe I dont think the discs knackered, its just all this hardware detection software (presumably) is doing invalid probes cos of the invalid partition table (but its valid when the devices are treated as one raid0 device of course) |
| 21:38.43 | abrotman | frankster: did it ever work? |
| 21:39.10 | abrotman | frankster: i don't know how much help i can be .. i don't have a HPT card .. nor do i use dmraid |
| 21:39.34 | frankster | abrotman : fair enough - im using it right now btw |
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| 21:39.43 | abrotman | frankster: so it does'nt crash .. it just whines ? |
| 21:40.14 | frankster | abrotman: no not even that - as I say I dont think its a disc problem its just some software is probing sectors that dont exist based on this partition table |
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| 21:40.48 | frankster | abrotman: so I wonder if theres a way to turn off the probing at startup on certain discs |
| 21:40.51 | abrotman | frankster: what does fdisk say about it ? |
| 21:41.14 | abrotman | (this is how little i know about dmraid) |
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| 21:41.52 | frankster | abrotman: partition table is fine cos I can boot windows off it - its the way the hpt software works. on the fiurst disc the partition table is written as if it was for the entire volume of both discs together in RAID0. so it only makes sense when read via dmraid interface |
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| 21:42.33 | frankster | abrotman: I wonder if it could be mdadm trying to autodetect raid arrays |
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| 21:42.45 | sp0n9e | okay, i needed to use etch to use my sata on the server, i'm now at a grub prompt and i'm too stupid to go any further without help |
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| 21:43.33 | abrotman | frankster: ah .. that makes more sense than anything i'd have thought of :) |
| 21:43.36 | ry1 | abrotman: can os and alsa coexist peacefully? |
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| 21:43.43 | abrotman | no |
| 21:43.45 | streuner | no |
| 21:43.51 | abrotman | you need alsa and oss-emu or just oss |
| 21:44.00 | ry1 | kk, thanks :) |
| 21:44.51 | blackelf | HELP ME \o/ |
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| 21:45.01 | abrotman | frankster: i gotta head home .. i'll be back in a bit if you're still around |
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| 21:45.17 | blackelf | some .avi's have broken decoding. other work fine. broken == messed up collors (red == blue and so on) I am on testing |
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| 21:45.32 | abrotman | avi is a container |
| 21:45.35 | dhuv | I tried to create a libc6 package just as I got it from the debian source and at the end it says "gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available" |
| 21:45.36 | frankster | abrotman: cheers for your help :) off to bed shortly myself |
| 21:45.52 | abrotman | frankster: ah .. wait a bit .. ask them to lastlog you if someone else picks it up |
| 21:45.55 | dhuv | does anybody know what the secret key is? |
| 21:46.02 | abrotman | !apt-key |
| 21:46.08 | blackelf | abrotman: it is quite usuall code, like divx or xvid. It works fine or most other linux boxes I seen, including almost identical debian testing, what might be the problem |
| 21:46.09 | abrotman | !secure apt |
| 21:46.12 | stew | dhuv: that's fine, its saying that it can't sign the package with the package maintainers private key (you don't have it) |
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| 21:46.14 | abrotman | i give up |
| 21:46.24 | abrotman | blackelf: uh ... ok |
| 21:46.25 | dhuv | stew: oh ok |
| 21:46.27 | sussudio | %apt-key |
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| 21:46.32 | abrotman | blackelf: dunno though |
| 21:46.34 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 21:46.34 | dpkg | i heard apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 21:46.36 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:46.41 | abrotman | but apparently not needed |
| 21:46.43 | eegore | abrotman: you give up? |
| 21:46.44 | stew | not that it has anything to do with his problem |
| 21:46.48 | blackelf | abrotman: I ment, what I should reinstall that might affect decoding xvid divx and so on |
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| 21:55.30 | LinuxHelp | When backing up my / to a cifs share, I thought of "init 1" and then _mounting / readonly_ and then "tar -cf ...", just wandering if this is the best way to do it? (for desktop pc) Also, I'm asking how exactly to go about mounting / readonly? |
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| 22:02.53 | Knorrie_ | or use a live cd |
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| 22:07.04 | Yvest | Oh, great gurus, I'm in need of your help again! |
| 22:07.07 | eegore | I could do port by access lists but if a link goes down there is no alternate config then |
| 22:10.36 | dhuv | stew: I applied the patch and the packages are being built |
| 22:10.43 | dhuv | it worked |
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| 22:11.07 | dhuv | jelly-home: the libc6 package is being built |
| 22:12.23 | Yvest | Eh, I fixed my problem myself ;) Thx anyways! |
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| 22:16.22 | jelly-home | dhuv: you could also add an entry to debian/changelog or at least change the version to eg. 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3local1 so that you know this is not a debian package. |
| 22:16.32 | menko | Hi, I'm trying to join irc.windowmaker.info, but (in xchat it says connection refused), I can't join, anyone have any idea why? |
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| 22:17.10 | beardy | menko: Perhaps it requires an ident reply, and you are not providing one? |
| 22:17.26 | Drizzt321 | I'm getting some really slow speeds of my ipw3945 with the 1.1.0 drivers. Good connection, link quality is ~90, but I still can't seem to get more Than 50KB or so. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 22:18.04 | menko | beardy: what is an ident reply? |
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| 22:20.03 | jelly-home | beardy: what ident request, if there's no tcp connection to ask ident for? |
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| 22:21.43 | jelly-home | menko: maybe their server just isn't working. What port does it use? |
| 22:22.31 | dhuv | jelly-home: I did a dpkg -i libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22_amd64.deb |
| 22:22.39 | dhuv | do I have to restart for those changes to take effect? |
| 22:22.47 | dhuv | should I restart to be on the safe side? |
| 22:23.11 | menko | jelly-home: xchat tries to connect to port 6667 |
| 22:23.15 | smacnay_ | is there a good image viewer/manager for console or, I guess, X? |
| 22:23.31 | jelly-home | dhuv: I think you should restart mysql. |
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| 22:23.48 | dhuv | jelly-home: thats it? |
| 22:24.08 | amphi | smacnay_: zgv for console |
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| 22:24.44 | jelly-home | dhuv: well, yes. libc6 is linked in by the dynamic linker every time a program is run. |
| 22:24.54 | amphi | smacnay_: or perhaps fbi, but I haven't used it myself |
| 22:25.44 | smacnay_ | amphi: thanks - how about X. I need to go through a lot of photos and delete about 1/2 (bad shots). |
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| 22:26.13 | beardy | smacnay_: what amphi said, zgv uses svgalib and fbi uses the framebuffer, if you use that |
| 22:26.21 | amphi | smacnay_: gqview or gthumb |
| 22:26.35 | beardy | smacnay_: for X, feh |
| 22:26.36 | jelly-home | xv ;-) |
| 22:26.52 | smacnay_ | beardy: I use fbi in console. I would like to visually sort and delete. |
| 22:26.53 | amphi | smacnay_: there's pornview, but I think the other two are better in everything than perhaps name |
| 22:27.31 | beardy | smacnay_: I don't remember trying fbi, so I don't know what it can do, but probably it can do that. |
| 22:27.45 | beardy | It was a long time ago if I have, anyway. |
| 22:28.06 | jelly-home | dhuv: rebooting would make sure that every other program uses the new libc6, if there are others that trigger the same bug. |
| 22:29.04 | jelly-home | amphi: hmm... "Slideshows allow for unattended presentation of images for hands-free viewing." |
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| 22:30.38 | RvGaTe | random: http://www.skammich.com/ :D |
| 22:30.46 | amphi | jelly-home: gqview and gthumb do slidshows - hadn't seen anything about 'hands-free' ;) |
| 22:30.49 | mtomczak_ | Has anyone successfully configured bugzilla on debian? I'm having some strange issues involving missing db columns. |
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| 22:32.33 | beardy | mtomczak_: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 22:36.57 | mwe | can you configure aptitude to not cache the downloaded .deb files? |
| 22:37.16 | streuner | heh? |
| 22:37.30 | streuner | just remove them via apt-get (auto)clean |
| 22:37.32 | hjubal | bye |
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| 22:37.48 | beardy | mwe: what streuner said, and do it right after running aptitude if you wish |
| 22:38.08 | streuner | or just use -s (simulate) |
| 22:42.25 | mtomczak_ | beardy: I grabbed the package from apt. It's 2.16.7-7sarge1 |
| 22:42.35 | mtomczak_ | I am pinned, but I believe all the dependencies are correct. |
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| 22:42.41 | jelly-home | amphi: One guess to which package Description that comes from. ;-) |
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| 22:43.33 | lindenle | anyone solve the gaim text rendering problem in etch yet? |
| 22:44.17 | lindenle | sometimes my text just dissapears |
| 22:44.29 | lindenle | had the same problem in firefox was related to libcairo |
| 22:44.46 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.25 | boolka | Can anyone tell me the name of the app that works instead of a screensaver or perhaps part of one, that shows the summary of your computer: ie. downloads ( speed/ %) disk space, cpu , memory.... and it shows it on full screen not like gkrellem or karamba...I saw screenshots and themes of it somewhere and cant remember the name of it |
| 22:48.04 | abrotman | boolka: maybe ask ##linux |
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| 22:48.43 | lindenle | abrotman: did you mean that yours is fine, and I am crazy? |
| 22:49.03 | abrotman | i'm saying that i haven't noticed any text rendering issues .. at all |
| 22:49.09 | lindenle | same version? |
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| 22:49.53 | abrotman | ii gaim 1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-5 multi-protocol instant messaging client |
| 22:49.57 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 22:50.13 | cexterm | hello |
| 22:51.12 | lindenle | abrotman: me too |
| 22:51.16 | lindenle | abrotman: hmm |
| 22:51.19 | cexterm | Guys, how can I instuct an app to execute in terminal (menu entry)? |
| 22:51.30 | abrotman | lindenle: is your system up to date? |
| 22:51.37 | abrotman | cexterm: type the command ? |
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| 22:52.02 | lindenle | abrotman: yeah just checked that. |
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| 22:52.14 | cexterm | abrotman the command is thrust (usr/games/) |
| 22:52.14 | krnl`- | hi |
| 22:52.22 | abrotman | lindenle: you did the `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` and nothing was held back? |
| 22:52.26 | krnl`- | hihi! i have a webserver that servs about 200 req per sec. the cpu wait is really high (over 60%). if i try to benchmark the httpd from localhost, there is no cpu wait. if i try to benchmark from another host but on the same network, it still has no cpu wait. but when users connection to it from all around, its cpu wait is very high. what can be the problem? what can i do againt this? |
| 22:52.38 | lindenle | abrotman: just some cups stuff |
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| 22:52.56 | abrotman | lindenle: do you use gnome for your desktop ? |
| 22:53.04 | lindenle | abrotman: kde |
| 22:53.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:53.32 | cexterm | abrotman If I type 'thrust' from terminal it works.. Fluxbox menu entry doesn't |
| 22:53.38 | lindenle | abrotman: it works most of the time, i.e. now, but sometimes I cannot see the text |
| 22:53.43 | abrotman | cexterm: oh .. ask #fluxbox |
| 22:54.05 | abrotman | lindenle: do you have x-window-system installed ? |
| 22:54.19 | cexterm | #fluxbox lol. I guess there might be a channel :) |
| 22:54.25 | lindenle | abrotman: nope |
| 22:54.34 | krnl`- | pls help |
| 22:54.36 | abrotman | cexterm: i used to know how to setup menu items .. but it's been a while |
| 22:54.52 | abrotman | lindenle: x-window-system-core ? |
| 22:55.05 | menko | cexterm: terminals can be launched with a switch to execute something |
| 22:55.10 | abrotman | krnl`-: dns ? |
| 22:55.14 | menko | cexterm: e.g aterm -e app |
| 22:55.22 | cexterm | abrotman ..Hmm, well I'm guessing I need to execute thrust in a terminal... |
| 22:55.28 | EdLin | cexterm: try apt-get install menu, then run update-menus as user. |
| 22:55.28 | lindenle | abrotman: yep 7.0.22 (xorg i guess) |
| 22:55.37 | abrotman | EdLin: menu-xdg ? |
| 22:55.46 | EdLin | abrotman: just plain "menu" |
| 22:55.52 | menko | cexterm: like for thrust you could do aterm -e thrust |
| 22:55.56 | lindenle | abrotman: supposedly it is just for "smooth" upgrades anyway and can be removed |
| 22:56.00 | cexterm | thx guys.. will try ;) |
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| 22:56.25 | abrotman | EdLin: menu-xdg? |
| 22:56.26 | mtomczak_ | Okay... I have my bugzilla issue narrowed down to an (apparently) missing column. |
| 22:56.32 | abrotman | !info menu-xdg etch |
| 22:56.37 | dpkg | menu-xdg: (freedesktop.org menu compliant window manager scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.3 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 22:56.51 | EdLin | abrotman: I don't have menu-xdg installed here. |
| 22:56.53 | EdLin | !info menu |
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| 22:56.59 | dpkg | menu: (generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.29 (sid), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 1592 kB |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | lindenle: but it's a sporadic thing ? |
| 22:57.09 | mtomczak_ | Trouble is: I see the column in the msql database. So I'm looking at the error 'Unknown column 'bugs.qa_contact' in 'on clause' at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 284' from bugzilla, but I can definitely find the qa_contact field in the bugs table. |
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| 22:57.15 | Xa0riV | omg |
| 22:57.43 | mtomczak_ | Does anyone know why bugzilla wouldn't be able to see a specific column? |
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| 22:58.28 | abrotman | lindenle: i can't find a bug for anything that looks related |
| 22:58.34 | inazad | Hi there, I have a problem with phpmyadmin.. I got an error (500).... |
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| 22:58.37 | lindenle | abrotman: yeah seems to be, seems to work better if mutliple chat windows are open |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | lindenle: what if you highlight the words? |
| 22:59.13 | lindenle | abrotman: Then I can see them |
| 22:59.54 | lindenle | abrotman: This was what fied the same behavior in firefox (bug #377879) |
| 23:00.14 | abrotman | !dbugs 377879 |
| 23:00.17 | dpkg | #377879:I[firefox] Text rendering broken when antialiasing disabled.; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:48:30 UTC |
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| 23:00.34 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:01.40 | Xa0riV | what is debian? |
| 23:01.42 | abrotman | lindenle: i can't find it anywhere .. i bet it's actually a bug in something else |
| 23:01.49 | abrotman | !tell Xa0riV about debian |
| 23:01.53 | Xa0riV | XD |
| 23:01.53 | EdLin | Xa0riV: www.debian.org |
| 23:01.59 | Xa0riV | i know |
| 23:02.00 | Xa0riV | :> |
| 23:02.23 | EdLin | !tell Xa0riV -about enter |
| 23:02.27 | lindenle | abrotman: right, I think it is the same libcairo bug but I am not sure how to tell gaim not to use it like i did for firefox. |
| 23:02.49 | lindenle | libcairo.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0xb79a2000) |
| 23:02.58 | lindenle | it is linked to same library |
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| 23:04.24 | abrotman | lindenle: like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377755 ? |
| 23:04.54 | Xa0riV | is there a local root exploit in 1.6.17.6 ? |
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| 23:05.27 | lindenle | abrotman: oops, I guess i could have looked at libcairo after I figured out that it was probably the reason, let me read that and get back to you |
| 23:05.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:05.52 | abrotman | lindenle: you're on etch? |
| 23:05.52 | EdLin | Xa0riV: the kernel hasn't been at 1.6 for quite some time now ;-) |
| 23:05.53 | SpeedyG | yay, got nearly everything working again |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | !info libcairo2 etch |
| 23:06.01 | dpkg | libcairo2: (The Cairo 2D vector graphics library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-3 (etch), Packaged size: 431 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
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| 23:06.24 | abrotman | lindenle: but report says it was fixed in 1.2.0-4 |
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| 23:06.33 | abrotman | !why is libcairo2 not in testing |
| 23:06.34 | dpkg | libcairo2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libcairo2 |
| 23:06.35 | Xa0riV | EdLin so tthere is no exploit ? |
| 23:06.57 | EdLin | Xa0riV: I assume you're talking about 2.6.17.6 |
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| 23:07.07 | biz | i have a list of http links pointing to bigger files that i want to download in parallel, what can i use here and can i pass the links on command line? |
| 23:07.08 | Xa0riV | yes EdLin |
| 23:07.12 | abrotman | ok .. wtf do i contact if i want somehting moved into etch for the release? |
| 23:07.21 | Xa0riV | !tell Vir0aX exploit 2.6.17.6 |
| 23:07.30 | abrotman | Xa0riV: do you have a debian question ? |
| 23:07.46 | Xa0riV | yes is there an local root exploit in 2.6.17.6 |
| 23:07.55 | abrotman | is that a debian kenrel ? |
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| 23:08.08 | Xa0riV | yes |
| 23:08.09 | Xa0riV | it is |
| 23:08.19 | Xa0riV | so ? |
| 23:08.53 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 23:09.04 | abrotman | not for i386 |
| 23:09.08 | Xa0riV | is there a local root exploit on debian kernel 2.6.17 |
| 23:09.21 | Xa0riV | 2.6.17.6-intel #1 SMP Thu Jul 27 20:24:41 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:09.27 | abrotman | that's not a debian kenrel |
| 23:09.33 | Xa0riV | oO |
| 23:09.34 | abrotman | Xa0riV: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:09.34 | Xa0riV | sure ? |
| 23:09.50 | Xa0riV | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 23:09.58 | abrotman | that's definitely not a sarge kernel |
| 23:10.04 | Xa0riV | ok :> |
| 23:10.21 | abrotman | and it's not from backports.org |
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| 23:10.29 | abrotman | Xa0riV: so .. please ask #kernel |
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| 23:10.54 | abrotman | because .. i have no idea where that kernel came from |
| 23:10.59 | shingouz | Xa0riV: damn small linux? |
| 23:11.00 | Xa0riV | ok :> |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | it's not a debian kernel from any source i know of |
| 23:11.06 | Xa0riV | yes damn it ^^ |
| 23:11.27 | EdLin | !tell Xa0riV about based-on-debian |
| 23:11.37 | shingouz | definitely non debian... |
| 23:11.38 | Xa0riV | how can i test my server cpu for crash with a loop ? is there a good loop to do ? |
| 23:11.41 | EdLin | !tell Xa0riV about debian-based |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | Xa0riV: it is NOT a debian kernel |
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| 23:12.14 | Xa0riV | i know |
| 23:12.14 | Xa0riV | :> |
| 23:12.23 | EdLin | !tell Xa0riV about enter |
| 23:12.28 | lindenle | abrotman: its only in unstable |
| 23:12.28 | abrotman | Xa0riV: is this your server? |
| 23:12.33 | Xa0riV | ja |
| 23:12.34 | lindenle | abrotman: Ill get it know |
| 23:12.38 | dvs | Xa0riV: so you're not going to get help from #debian with something that isn't made by Debian |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | lindenle: i know .. and someone decided to freeze it without the fix |
| 23:12.42 | lindenle | s/know/now |
| 23:12.50 | lindenle | abrotman:lame |
| 23:12.56 | abrotman | lindenle: well .. it's a pretty serious bug |
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| 23:13.12 | lindenle | abrotman: I agree, real pisser |
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| 23:13.21 | k-man | what's the cheapest way to get an open source router going? |
| 23:13.28 | k-man | dedicated hardware? or an old pc? |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | lindenle: you could append the bug .. saying it's been frozen .. but the fix should really go in |
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| 23:13.49 | SpeedyG | i've built a scrapheap that you could call pc |
| 23:13.54 | SpeedyG | running debian as a router |
| 23:13.55 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 23:14.10 | lindenle | abrotman: ok I would love to, ummm yeah do i just file another report against the bug? |
| 23:14.21 | tam | can anyone recommend a good binary newsreader for debian? i'm thinking pan but does anyone have any other suggestions? |
| 23:14.25 | abrotman | lindenle: go to bugs.debian.org ... it should tell you how |
| 23:14.29 | tam | abrotman: eww |
| 23:14.36 | abrotman | tam: ? |
| 23:14.40 | abrotman | tam: pan |
| 23:14.43 | tam | 00:14 * abrotman wants fried catfish for dindin |
| 23:14.46 | tam | yuck |
| 23:14.50 | abrotman | it's not for you :) |
| 23:14.58 | abrotman | tam: pan and thunderbird i guess |
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| 23:14.59 | dvs | we still have to watch thought |
| 23:15.05 | dvs | though |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | dvs: no more beer for you |
| 23:15.24 | dvs | oh come on~ |
| 23:15.34 | abrotman | DDs!!!! come out come out whereever you are!!! DDs!! |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | this isn't working |
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| 23:16.48 | abrotman | lindenle: i'm gonig to see if i can find someone to ask how to get it unfrozen |
| 23:17.33 | lindenle | abrotman: k thanks |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | oh sure .. he bails! |
| 23:18.26 | abrotman | not you |
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| 23:21.55 | enouf | !prize abrotman |
| 23:22.03 | abrotman | woohoo ... can i get food too ? |
| 23:22.08 | enouf | yep he's active |
| 23:22.10 | ry1 | :) |
| 23:22.20 | abrotman | not me .. the guy who just joined! |
| 23:22.22 | enouf | !sandwich |
| 23:22.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, sandwich is something you have for lunch to ease hunger |
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| 23:22.42 | ry1 | abrotman: my kernel didn't end up compiling this time, guess it didn't like the initrd option, or rather speakup didn't |
| 23:23.03 | ry1 | I've got a stamp error 2 and a whole screen full of undefined speakup references |
| 23:23.08 | ry1 | :) |
| 23:23.13 | abrotman | this is why compiling kernels sucks |
| 23:23.30 | ry1 | yeah, no kidding :) I just wish someone would give ma a 2.6 with speakup :) |
| 23:23.53 | abrotman | i have three! |
| 23:23.58 | lindenle | abrotman: Ok i fixed it locally and responded globally |
| 23:24.08 | abrotman | eh? |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | you forced it ? |
| 23:24.13 | ry1 | abrotman: any you can send over somehow? |
| 23:24.26 | abrotman | ry1: i'm joking .. don't hurt me! |
| 23:24.29 | lindenle | abrotman: yeah apt-get install libcairo2=1.2.0-5 |
| 23:24.32 | ry1 | oh :) |
| 23:24.33 | abrotman | ry1: is there a patch |
| 23:24.38 | lindenle | abrotman: and filed another request against bug |
| 23:24.43 | abrotman | lindenle: ah ok |
| 23:24.56 | ry1 | yes, but I thought you had to install that before you built the kernel |
| 23:24.57 | abrotman | !why is libcairo2 not in testing |
| 23:24.57 | dpkg | libcairo2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libcairo2 |
| 23:25.03 | abrotman | ry1: you do |
| 23:25.20 | lindenle | abrotman: yeah already saw that |
| 23:25.27 | ry1 | oh, but I can install it through apt before I apt-get install kernel-image whatever? |
| 23:25.38 | abrotman | lindenle: ah ok |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | ry1: the patch? not that i saw |
| 23:25.57 | ry1 | erg... |
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| 23:26.10 | ry1 | stupid stupid speakup |
| 23:26.23 | abrotman | ry1: there is a 2.4 with speakup done already |
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| 23:27.10 | ry1 | abrotman: I know, I am using it now, but it isn't as up to date as I'd like, and 2.6 has increased support for some hardware I use such as NFORCE chipset and so on |
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| 23:28.11 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 23:28.54 | abrotman | ry1: you might want to send an email to the debian-kernel team asking if there will be a speakup kernel for etch |
| 23:29.34 | ry1 | abrotman: I think I'll do that, debian-kernel@lists.debian.org? |
| 23:29.39 | abrotman | i think so |
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| 23:30.04 | ry1 | :) |
| 23:30.20 | abrotman | i didn't mean from you |
| 23:30.52 | abrotman | ok .. that's the slowest site i've ever used |
| 23:31.51 | mtomczak_ | Okay, after a short discussion on #sql, new question related to the previous ones... |
| 23:32.03 | abrotman | no more! |
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| 23:32.36 | okay | hi all |
| 23:32.53 | mtomczak_ | ... which I have answered myself, while typing this :) |
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| 23:33.09 | abrotman | mtomczak_: okay |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | ry1: is this for sarge or etch ? |
| 23:34.22 | abrotman | do it all or don't do it |
| 23:34.32 | publunch | ok, abrot |
| 23:34.37 | ry1 | abrotman: I was using sarge because it came with the 2.4.27-speakup kernel which I could use to install without sighted assistance |
| 23:34.38 | publunch | ok, abrotman |
| 23:35.00 | abrotman | ry1: is this for you? |
| 23:35.08 | okay | in what file can i change the root password and see it ? |
| 23:35.13 | abrotman | you can't |
| 23:35.16 | ry1 | abrotman: yes |
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| 23:35.32 | ry1 | abrotman: I hate microsoft with a passion and really want to use linux |
| 23:35.33 | abrotman | ry1: nice hostmask :) |
| 23:35.56 | ry1 | abrotman: thanks :) try my finger reply |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | holy crap .. /me just looked in /usr/src/ |
| 23:36.14 | okay | in what file can i change the root password and see it ? |
| 23:36.24 | dvs | !tell okay -about repeat |
| 23:36.39 | ry1 | abrotman: how many builds do you have in there? :) |
| 23:36.47 | abrotman | ry1: no . .it's all headers :) |
| 23:36.55 | ry1 | oh lol |
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| 23:38.38 | abrotman | ry1: there isn't |
| 23:39.34 | ry1 | oh well, was a long shot anyway, though I just found this gzip file that claims to over ride the etch install with allowing someone to use speakup |
| 23:40.20 | ry1 | never mind :) |
| 23:40.21 | lunitik | Konversation has been touched since February, and Konversation folks say they haven't seen him around in a while... |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | lunitik: the mg covers that i think |
| 23:40.41 | abrotman | lunitik: you can request an NMU |
| 23:41.01 | abrotman | lunitik: or maybe see if there's a way to request an MIA check |
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| 23:42.12 | lunitik | abrotman: I think MIA check would be better, as the last thing he seems to have done is latest stable build... although his site says there are nightly builds which don't seem to be happening afaict... |
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| 23:42.27 | abrotman | !mia |
| 23:42.27 | dpkg | [mia] missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
| 23:42.28 | lunitik | abrotman: I just have no idea how to go about doing that :( |
| 23:42.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:43.21 | enouf | lunitik: deborphan ? |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | lunitik: http://sdn.vlsm.org/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html .. maybe |
| 23:44.27 | okay | in what file can i change the root password and see it ? |
| 23:44.48 | stew | okay: you con't |
| 23:44.51 | stew | can't* |
| 23:44.57 | okay | okay |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | i said that |
| 23:45.26 | SpeedyG | you can change the password, but you can't just see it cleartext right? |
| 23:46.14 | enouf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.40 | SpeedyG | what are you trying to do/say/explain enouf_ ? :) |
| 23:46.57 | enouf_ | SpeedyG: fun with bots ...:-) |
| 23:46.59 | SpeedyG | ah |
| 23:47.15 | SpeedyG | I particularly like the /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pass> option ;) |
| 23:47.25 | SpeedyG | used to have an alias for that |
| 23:47.34 | SpeedyG | so i'd just use /ghost |
| 23:47.43 | SpeedyG | was fun when I tried to explain someone how ghost works ;) |
| 23:47.48 | SpeedyG | I told him to take my nick |
| 23:47.51 | enouf_ | SpeedyG: Ok -- I'll try that - thanks |
| 23:47.53 | SpeedyG | and then I used /ghost ;) |
| 23:48.13 | abrotman | ry1: don't think i could have picked a worse machine to do this on |
| 23:48.38 | ry1 | abrotman: what's wrong with the box? |
| 23:49.23 | ry1 | I'm actually wondering if this kernel will compile without the initrd option |
| 23:49.35 | lunitik | abrotman: that talks about mia-history which doesn't appear to be in the archive, and states "available in /org/qa.debian.org/mia on the host qa.debian.org" - but it appears this doesn't mean 'qa.debian.org/mia' or 'qa.debian.org/org/qa.debian.org/mia' |
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| 23:50.19 | lunitik | (mia-history queries that site, although apprently its a devel only tool?) |
| 23:50.47 | simonrvn | !tell root about root |
| 23:50.52 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 23:51.50 | fx` | can anyone say me where can i found java program packages for debian, like hibernate? |
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| 23:52.22 | simonrvn | what's wrong with ftp.d.o? it got *really* slow all at once |
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| 23:52.55 | dansushi | does anyone know what this error means... |
| 23:53.03 | gravity | Practice makes perfect |
| 23:53.27 | dansushi | xf86openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 23:53.40 | dansushi | and then xorg crashes |
| 23:53.44 | lunitik | gravity: true enough |
| 23:53.45 | dansushi | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 23:53.57 | dansushi | i have had this problem before but found that reinstalling is the only way |
| 23:54.04 | simonrvn | it's called it doesn't exist, and x is looking for it |
| 23:54.34 | dansushi | simonrvn: why is it looking for it? |
| 23:54.36 | dansushi | i have a mouse |
| 23:54.37 | simonrvn | making the device file would be a lot easier than reinstalling... |
| 23:54.45 | abrotman | ry1: just slow |
| 23:54.45 | dansushi | simonrvn: how do i dod that? |
| 23:54.54 | abrotman | lunitik: ah .. guess that's cvs |
| 23:54.59 | gravity | dansushi: What sort of mouse do you have? |
| 23:55.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 599] by debhelper |
| 23:55.01 | stew | dansushi: "modprobe mousedev" add "mousedev" to /etc/modules |
| 23:55.11 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... probably... |
| 23:55.16 | dansushi | i have a usb and ps/2 |
| 23:55.21 | simonrvn | heh, or missing support :) |
| 23:55.41 | dvs | dansushi: laptop? |
| 23:56.26 | gravity | dansushi: Do what stew suggested then see if the /dev/input/mice file is present |
| 23:56.38 | stew | dansushi: and also do the same with psmouse and usbmouse |
| 23:56.42 | dansushi | dvs: nope not a laptop |
| 23:56.52 | ry1 | abrotman: ah, it turns out the speakup kernel is insecure as hell and that's why it's not in etch |
| 23:56.53 | dvs | dansushi: do as stew says |
| 23:56.55 | dansushi | it happens on my laptop on some installs though |
| 23:57.10 | dansushi | dvs: ok done |
| 23:57.18 | Master_Medic | how do i raise the resolution of my monitor? |
| 23:57.18 | dvs | dansushi: now start X |
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| 23:57.48 | dansushi | dvs: thanks it works now |
| 23:57.53 | dansushi | thanks for your help guys |
| 23:57.56 | flurdoing | can someone point me to a good howto for enabling an sftpd on the stable deb branch? |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | ry1: uh .. so what's the alternative ? |
| 23:58.03 | krnl`- | what does stat64 syscall do? |
| 23:58.08 | dvs | dansushi: put those modules in your /etc/modules file |
| 23:58.24 | tuv | flurdoing, it should be enabled with ssh |
| 23:58.36 | dansushi | dvs: psmouse already was in |
| 23:58.41 | abrotman | ry1: are you telling me to stop building this thing ? |
| 23:58.51 | dansushi | adding mousedev fixed it |
| 23:58.51 | dvs | dansushi: if you use a usbmouse I'd put that in too |
| 23:58.52 | flurdoing | tuv: does that mean if a user is able to ssh, they're able to sftp? |
| 23:58.55 | ry1 | abrotman: doing a rebuild with the latest versions of modutils, debhelper, transfig? kernel-package and no, I was just saying for interest's sake |
| 23:58.58 | SpeedyG | anyone here know a repository that contains mysql5.x for debain ? |
| 23:58.59 | tuv | flurdoing, yes |
| 23:59.07 | ry1 | keep building :) |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | ry1: so that's why it's not there ? |
| 23:59.15 | ry1 | abrotman: yes |
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| 23:59.19 | abrotman | ry1: they responded to you already? |
| 23:59.22 | ry1 | apparently the kernel just sucks |
| 23:59.28 | flurdoing | tuv: d'oh. :/ kthx. i guess then i need to start chrooting (been trying to avoid giving users ssh access) |
| 23:59.39 | SpeedyG | !mysql |
| 23:59.39 | dpkg | it has been said that mysql is A fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It supports a wide range of advanced functionality such as views, transaction support, recovery functionality etc. It is the worlds most popular open source database. The database is packed as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Futher information can be found at http://mysql.com and #mysql. |
| 23:59.49 | ry1 | abrotman: no I found an archive of another list mentioning the reason, they don't have anyone to maintain the kernel |
| 23:59.54 | abrotman | ry1: i built them as modules .. it could totally die :) |
