| 00:00.07 | ry1 | uh oh, speakup won't work modularized |
| 00:00.11 | abrotman | doh! |
| 00:00.12 | tuv | flurdoing, maybe you can control who gets sftp using ssh config. files, but that's the default behaviour |
| 00:00.17 | ry1 | :) |
| 00:00.27 | tuv | flurdoing, try #openssh |
| 00:00.34 | ry1 | if you rebuild it, could you please put default speech synth as dectlk? |
| 00:00.40 | ry1 | without the ? |
| 00:00.49 | flurdoing | will do, thanks tuv.. |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | i can try :) |
| 00:00.54 | tuv | flurdoing, sure |
| 00:01.09 | ry1 | abrotman: it's under general settings/device drivers/speakup general |
| 00:01.16 | ry1 | console speech rather |
| 00:01.17 | abrotman | ry1: i'm doing a make oldconfig |
| 00:01.27 | ry1 | ah |
| 00:01.34 | ry1 | off the 2.4.27 speakup kernel? |
| 00:01.39 | abrotman | ry1: dectlk ? |
| 00:01.44 | ry1 | dectlk |
| 00:01.47 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:01.49 | ry1 | for the synth I am using |
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| 00:01.56 | ry1 | otherwise I'll never know if it boots :) |
| 00:02.02 | abrotman | we'll see if this works |
| 00:02.10 | ry1 | kk :) |
| 00:02.22 | abrotman | it'll be a while :) |
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| 00:02.32 | ry1 | k :) |
| 00:02.48 | ry1 | it took me a while too, on a 650 mhz laptop |
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| 00:03.16 | dvs | ry1: ouch! |
| 00:03.25 | abrotman | ry1: dual PPro 200 |
| 00:03.31 | abrotman | and i didn't set the concurrency |
| 00:03.41 | ry1 | abrotman: yikes... lol |
| 00:03.46 | dvs | abrotman: uphill both ways? ;-) |
| 00:03.56 | ry1 | reminds me of my p133 distro test box |
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| 00:05.40 | ApEtc | abrotman: I once had a dual PPro 200 1 meg box. I think the last kernel I did on it was the latter portion of 2.4. I think it took near an hour for the compile (since it only used one chip off the install kernel) |
| 00:05.56 | ry1 | oh wow |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | 1 meg ? |
| 00:06.29 | abrotman | 1 MB Cache ? |
| 00:06.31 | ApEtc | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:06.41 | abrotman | ApEtc: well .. we'll see ... |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | ApEtc: i used -j3 .. should be ok |
| 00:07.02 | ApEtc | That should help, I didn't really know about that flag at the time. :) |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | yeah .. just a bit |
| 00:07.10 | abrotman | and it's not a loaded box |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | as in .. it sits idle .. all damn day |
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| 00:09.50 | k-man | whats the fastest compression program under linux? |
| 00:09.54 | k-man | gzip? bzip? |
| 00:09.58 | k-man | or another? |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | fastest? |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | how about .. no compression at all :) |
| 00:11.03 | Sebo | Hi!! I've got a problem :/ my /boot partition is to small :( and I can't install new kernel on it... but I think I have good idea to fix it :) : I'm thinking of unmounting /boot and installing new bootloader at those which is used for root filesystem ;] ... Might it work or it is bad idea?? |
| 00:11.04 | gravity | gzip is faster than bzip2, but it doesn't save as much space |
| 00:11.11 | gravity | Beyond that, I have no idea |
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| 00:11.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:11.44 | abrotman | i didn't even notice he had gone |
| 00:11.48 | k-man | yeah |
| 00:11.50 | k-man | sorry about that |
| 00:12.01 | k-man | i pressed ctrl-c in the wrong window *sigh* |
| 00:12.07 | abrotman | k-man: no compression is faster than using it at all .. gzip is faster than bzip .. but bzip compresses way more |
| 00:12.16 | ApEtc | Wow |
| 00:12.16 | ApEtc | He had no patience for an answer |
| 00:12.17 | abrotman | (depending on data) |
| 00:12.25 | ApEtc | Whoa |
| 00:12.25 | k-man | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 00:12.26 | stew | k-man: gzip --fast is faster than gzip |
| 00:12.33 | k-man | stew, ah, interesting |
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| 00:12.36 | abrotman | but less compressed :) |
| 00:12.45 | lunitik | ApEtc: thats the first time I've seen you talk... first impressions are neat |
| 00:12.49 | stew | k-man: i don't know how bzip2 --fast compares to gzip --fast |
| 00:13.03 | k-man | so many options |
| 00:13.08 | k-man | ill have to do a test |
| 00:13.15 | simonrvn | lunitik: nah, you're just imagining things |
| 00:13.18 | gravity | Does anyone remember the name of the irssi script that puts a horizontal bar across your window where you left a conversation off? |
| 00:13.27 | stew | k-man: i think with both you can use -1 for fastest or -9 for slowest (most compressed) |
| 00:13.36 | ApEtc | lunitik: I hope that's a good thing. |
| 00:13.46 | simonrvn | it's in the irssi-scripts package... |
| 00:13.47 | k-man | stew, ok, ill try those out |
| 00:13.52 | k-man | thanks |
| 00:13.53 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 00:13.56 | stew | or -5 for medium |
| 00:14.07 | gravity | I miss that script... I *need* it :-) |
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| 00:14.30 | k-man | now, on another note, does samba have any limitations on or around the 4gig file size mark? |
| 00:14.56 | dvs | k-man: yes, it does |
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| 00:14.59 | simonrvn | i used to run it, until it started scrwing with my screen (no utf-8 in irssi until recently) |
| 00:15.04 | k-man | dvs, interesting |
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| 00:15.16 | ENE|Toxic | How can I find out what signals the kernel is leaving during some event (ie keystroke) ? Does anyone have nice tutorial or similar which describes how to catch that signal in c/java/bash whatever? |
| 00:15.17 | gravity | simonrvn: It does that to me too, but I still like having it |
| 00:15.17 | dvs | k-man: no, it's developed by MS. |
| 00:15.37 | simonrvn | samba isn't devved by ms |
| 00:16.43 | k-man | dvs, so its an ms limitation not a samba limitation? |
| 00:16.46 | k-man | or an smb limitation? |
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| 00:16.54 | ENE|Toxic | How do I listen to i.e. ctrl+k (keypress) and perform some work, without polling 20ktimes/sec? Is there some tutorial out there? |
| 00:16.56 | dvs | k-man: it's an smb limitation |
| 00:16.58 | simonrvn | um no. and it's samba limitation |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | ENE|Toxic: xev ? |
| 00:17.36 | k-man | simonrvn, im finding it hard to find doco on it |
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| 00:17.57 | simonrvn | tried www.samba.org? |
| 00:18.01 | abrotman | simonrvn: isn't it an underlying FS problem? |
| 00:18.06 | k-man | any idea where i could look (my amature google searches fail) |
| 00:18.07 | ENE|Toxic | abrotman: that means I must make a daemon loop all the time and check xev 2milliion times/s ? |
| 00:18.10 | abrotman | k-man: what's the underlying FS ? |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | ENE|Toxic: you don't have to .. you can look for another solution |
| 00:18.28 | k-man | ext3 |
| 00:18.29 | simonrvn | abrotman: depends |
| 00:18.52 | ENE|Toxic | abrotman: Finished hotkey prorgam yes. I want to type my own, but don't know where to find to info how to .. |
| 00:19.14 | abrotman | ENE|Toxic: probably somewhere in /proc/ or /dev/ |
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| 00:19.26 | abrotman | lunitik: dd |
| 00:19.29 | ApEtc | lunitik: I think dd might do that |
| 00:19.29 | simonrvn | oooh, look at that l33t nick |
| 00:19.37 | simonrvn | </sarcasm> |
| 00:19.46 | ApEtc | !nickometer RoooT |
| 00:19.47 | dpkg | 'RoooT' is 0.000% lame, apetc |
| 00:19.48 | ENE|Toxic | yeah |
| 00:19.50 | ApEtc | aww |
| 00:20.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: and he's actually id'ed to nickserv ... |
| 00:20.16 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | ApTek: not enough !@#$%^&*()_+ |
| 00:20.39 | ApEtc | abrotman: I had hoped the capital at the end would count for at least something. :0 |
| 00:20.43 | ApEtc | err, :) |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | it does sometimes ... though i think if the o in the middle had been caps .. itmight have gotten a score |
| 00:21.05 | simonrvn | numbers count too i think |
| 00:21.28 | abrotman | best troll ever .. guy didn't even say a word :) |
| 00:21.30 | simonrvn | !nickometer RoOoT |
| 00:21.32 | dpkg | 'RoOoT' is 8.000% lame, simonrvn |
| 00:21.36 | ApEtc | excellent |
| 00:21.38 | simonrvn | ah, yup |
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| 00:22.01 | RoooT | that's enough ;p |
| 00:22.15 | RoooT | pfff |
| 00:22.16 | RoooT | hi all |
| 00:22.27 | simonrvn | hello |
| 00:22.29 | ApEtc | Hi |
| 00:22.48 | dvs | Rooot has landed |
| 00:22.54 | Sebo | Anyone has tryied that: I mean... 1) to unmount /boot '# umount /boot' 2) remove the line which mounts /boot from /etc/fstab; 3) install grub at partition where / is; 4) '#apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686' |
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| 00:23.19 | abrotman | ry1: still building |
| 00:23.22 | Sebo | And my q is If it might works |
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| 00:23.50 | ry1 | abrotman: kk |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | Sebo: try it .. let us know what happens :) |
| 00:23.55 | simonrvn | yes it would... but why do that when you could just remove unneeded kernels? |
| 00:23.57 | stew | Sebo: it should work, you'll have to call both grub-install and update-grub (read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian) |
| 00:24.12 | lunitik | I don't get it... it'd just be 'dd obs=3145728 of=somefile' ... surely I'm missing something? this doesn't appear to say when to stop for instance... |
| 00:24.22 | abrotman | Sebo: how many kernels are in /boot/ ? |
| 00:24.50 | abrotman | lunitik: dd if=/dev/urandom of=<somefile> bs=1024 count=3000000 |
| 00:24.52 | k-man | i read a rumour that nfs is way faster than samba... but is it worth trying to get my windows box to use an nfs share rather than a samba share? |
| 00:24.56 | simonrvn | !perl laziness |
| 00:25.02 | Sebo | Acctualy I've got debian distro mead specialy for shoop menagment |
| 00:25.05 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... thank you :D |
| 00:25.10 | k-man | i tried to get winxp to see the nfs share and it seems non trivial |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | lunitik: the man page is pretty clear :) |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | lunitik: and /dev/zero is WAY faster |
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| 00:26.10 | Sebo | and I havent instaled any new kerlnel ;] - this distro makes such small /boot to fit onlee what there is ;] |
| 00:26.13 | lunitik | abrotman: now it is... I didn't even see count before though... and was confused whether to use obs or ibs... |
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| 00:26.25 | lunitik | bs seems to have that covered though... and now I see count... |
| 00:26.28 | simonrvn | Sebo: how big is /boot? |
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| 00:26.57 | ry1 | abrotman: I found an unofficial speakup kernel hiding on a site, linux-image-2.6.12-1-speakup-686_2.6.12-1_i386.deb |
| 00:27.05 | gravity | "trackbar.pl" + /set trackbar_string == <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | doh! |
| 00:27.18 | Sebo | simonrvn: I'll check :) |
| 00:27.19 | lunitik | abrotman: hmm, and I didn't even know about /dev/zero either... makes sense it'd be faster though... |
| 00:27.21 | simonrvn | gravity: w00t |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | gravity: i'm glad you've found love |
| 00:27.29 | gravity | abrotman: It was lonely |
| 00:27.37 | ry1 | abrotman: it was on result page 10 in google |
| 00:27.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | ry1: jeez |
| 00:27.46 | abrotman | ry1: are you going to try it? |
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| 00:27.55 | ry1 | abrotman: yepers :) |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:28.00 | ry1 | installing it now |
| 00:28.14 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 00:28.18 | abrotman | eh .. |
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| 00:28.59 | lunitik | Or Green Eye, depending on my goals when I start drinking... |
| 00:29.07 | abrotman | newcastle has too much nutmeg for me |
| 00:29.13 | lunitik | (Green Eye is 11%...) |
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| 00:29.59 | abrotman | lunitik: so where are you going tomorrow? |
| 00:30.00 | lunitik | abrotman: I can't tell that kind of thing... I'm not sure why I like the taste though, seems because its mild... smooth etc... |
| 00:30.01 | Agrajag- | gday, im trying to get a wireless usb stick running using rt2x00 stuff, it's all good except for loading firmware. in the README it says "After obtaining the firmware file it should be placed in the firmware folder specific for your distribution (Usually '/lib/firmware/')". i have put the firmware file there, however dmesg tells me "rt73usb->rt73usb_init_firmware_cont: Error - Failed to load Firmware.". where is debian's firmware d |
| 00:30.18 | abrotman | lunitik: i find it bitter |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | lunitik: though .. i think coffee smells like ass too |
| 00:30.34 | Sebo | simonrvn: My /boot has 11K ;] |
| 00:30.42 | lunitik | abrotman: probation called today enquiring why I haven't paid... and wants me to come in to "discuss it"... which is almost certainly bad... |
| 00:30.45 | abrotman | Sebo: how big in total ? |
| 00:30.54 | lunitik | inquiring* |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | lunitik: uh .. as long as you've been staying out of trouble .. i doubt they'll drag you in |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | and i bet if you show them #debian logs .. they'll just let you off :) |
| 00:31.49 | lunitik | abrotman: I hope not, recently completed several things for probation... but last time they did this, I ended up doing 50 days... |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | doh |
| 00:32.00 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: hm, /lib/firmware works for me on etch for ipw2200 |
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| 00:32.23 | lunitik | abrotman: that was first violation, this could be second... so looking at like 6 months... |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | dude .. pay up already! |
| 00:32.44 | lunitik | (not including how long they decide to keep me before sentencing...) |
| 00:32.49 | Sebo | 11K ;] (how I chceked it: '#mc ' ; then in mc: '#cd /boot' and in INFO panel :)) |
| 00:33.00 | lunitik | abrotman: not that easy, I don't have a dime to my name :( |
| 00:33.23 | ry1 | abrotman: here goes nothing, the reboot :) of course, the only problem is that I have no source files or headers, so how am I going to build my wireless drivers? :) |
| 00:33.41 | lunitik | (last time, pre-sentencing was 20 days, sentence was 30...) |
| 00:34.03 | Sebo | Or is ther a better way to see how big it is ;P |
| 00:34.04 | Agrajag- | jelly-home: hmm ok thanks.. i wonder why it can't find it |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | ry1: that's another problem .. |
| 00:34.20 | abrotman | ry1: i'll keep building |
| 00:34.25 | ry1 | kk :) |
| 00:34.58 | ry1 | abrotman: if you are building with initrd, expect alot of make stamp 2 errors |
| 00:35.31 | dvs | ry1: abrotman's smarter than that |
| 00:35.56 | ry1 | dvs: I think it's a flaw in speakup with sertain kernel versions |
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| 00:36.01 | abrotman | dvs: no .. i did |
| 00:36.07 | dvs | o_O |
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| 00:36.16 | ry1 | apparently 2.6.12 works |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | dvs: make oldconfig .. yes to all the quesitons .. make-kpkg --initrd |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | ry1: whta works? |
| 00:36.28 | ry1 | 2.6.12 |
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| 00:36.42 | dvs | abrotman: oh, you used a debian .config file |
| 00:36.44 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: do you have udev? |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | dvs: duh |
| 00:37.14 | abrotman | dvs: i'm crazy .. not insane |
| 00:37.18 | ry1 | alright, 2.6.12 deb ppackage works |
| 00:37.24 | abrotman | ry1: but you have no headers |
| 00:37.29 | ry1 | right :) |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | ry1: what was the URL for the package? |
| 00:37.31 | lunitik | abrotman: any reason you didn't use make-kpkg --config oldconfig --initrd instead? moot point, but it looks better all in one app... or is there issues with that? |
| 00:37.36 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: firmware seems to be loaded from /lib/udev/firmware.agent here |
| 00:37.51 | phogg | dvs: real men use cat! |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | lunitik: never used --config .. i don't build kernels often .. and haven't done it a lot since i had a that fucking retarded HP box |
| 00:38.01 | lunitik | (actually, oldconfig is default, shouldn't be needed at all afaik...) |
| 00:38.05 | dvs | phogg: I used to use edlin |
| 00:38.09 | ry1 | abrotman: http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel |
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| 00:38.18 | phogg | dvs: edlin < cat |
| 00:38.20 | ry1 | and my my is this thing overloaded |
| 00:38.54 | abrotman | this thing ? |
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| 00:39.09 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... well... so you know, I'm pretty sure you added an entire step that wasn't required... could have wasted those couple seconds in here instead :P |
| 00:39.22 | abrotman | lunitik: i was cooking dinner actually :) |
| 00:39.47 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh, wheres mine? sharing is caring, or something! |
| 00:39.54 | ry1 | abrotman: this 2.6 kernel, though, what if I took it's config and used it to compile me a new 2.6.12? |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | lunitik: it wasn't that good :) |
| 00:40.02 | abrotman | ry1: you could try |
| 00:40.03 | ry1 | with madwifi installed |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | ry1: though .. i bet he used a debian linux-source package |
| 00:40.17 | lunitik | abrotman: oh, well thanks for not poisoning me then I suppose :P |
| 00:40.35 | ry1 | abrotman: grrr, probably, and 2.6.12 isn't available now |
| 00:40.38 | abrotman | lunitik: i did all my cooking for a while last month |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | ry1: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:41.14 | Agrajag- | jelly-home: ahh, yeah udev was it. installed that, working great now, cheers. |
| 00:41.28 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm too experimental, tend to end up adding weird flavors that don't work, and can't neutralize them :( |
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| 00:41.43 | abrotman | lunitik: i made liver and shrimp scampi last weekend :) |
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| 00:42.31 | lunitik | I think I found out what I did wrong though, so I need to try again... |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | it cooks in about five seconds |
| 00:42.41 | dvs | yeah, it's liver! |
| 00:42.45 | lunitik | Never even tasted Shrimp Scampi though :/ |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | really? |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:43.43 | abrotman | i also cook the liver in bacon grease :) |
| 00:43.47 | lunitik | abrotman: nope... most of what I eat has pasta in it... usually just raw shrimp... |
| 00:44.00 | abrotman | you put raw shrimp in your pasta ? |
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| 00:44.34 | lunitik | abrotman: nooo... it would cook a little when you put it in anyways... |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | lunitik: ... no .. fry bacon .. fry onions .. remove from pan .. leave grease .. cook liver .. throw onions/bacon back in .. servie :) |
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| 00:44.42 | abrotman | serve |
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| 00:45.10 | lunitik | abrotman: I'll try it, I'm blaming you if it comes out bad though :P |
| 00:45.11 | stew | sounds nighmarish |
| 00:45.20 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: I just asked it you had it installed, didn't say to install it. Oh well, hope it works out for you. |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | stew: it's horribly unhealthy :) |
| 00:46.04 | lunitik | Only like 130lbs... heart is healthy enough to take it too... so more fat the better |
| 00:46.07 | jelly-home | Agrajag-: ... I hope you didn't have too many customized /dev entries |
| 00:46.27 | goingtomoonbrb | Ok, so I'm having a memory leakage issue |
| 00:46.30 | goingtomoonbrb | All I have running ATM is KDE, gAIM, about six mrxvt terminals, screen, irssi |
| 00:46.34 | goingtomoonbrb | yet |
| 00:46.36 | goingtomoonbrb | Mem: 516668k total, 508140k used, 8528k free, 4716k buffers |
| 00:46.38 | goingtomoonbrb | Swap: 506036k total, 330712k used, 175324k free, 242952k cached |
| 00:46.42 | goingtomoonbrb | top doesn't display any programs that could be using anywhere near that amount of memory |
| 00:46.55 | lunitik | !tell goingtomoonbrb about paste |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | ry1: find it ? |
| 00:47.16 | Sebo | I think there must be some tricky shell command to see the partition sizes ;> Is there?? |
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| 00:47.25 | goingtomoonbrb | lunitik: Why, thank you. |
| 00:47.31 | derekgfds | hello |
| 00:47.38 | ry1 | abrotman: there are so many 2.6.12 version numbers, I wouldn't know which one to use |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | ry1: the newest? :) |
| 00:47.52 | ry1 | they go from like 0.5 to 2.0 |
| 00:47.54 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: so half memory is used, that's pretty normal |
| 00:48.03 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: for KDE :-> |
| 00:48.06 | lunitik | Sebo: I don't really count df -h tricky? |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | ry1: at least before 08-Aug-2005 17:33 .. since that's when those others were put in place |
| 00:48.14 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: that's not much memory being used. what makes you think you have a leak? |
| 00:48.17 | ry1 | the newest would be the same as all the earlier ones abrotman? |
| 00:48.27 | derekgfds | is there a program or website where I can send a picture to a cell phone for free? |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | ry1: no .. not quite :) |
| 00:48.28 | goingtomoonbrb | jelly-home: Half the memory? All of the RAM is used, and 70% of the swap >.> |
| 00:48.32 | lunitik | jelly-home: s/KDE/Linux/ ... Linus likes utilizing RAM apparently |
| 00:48.43 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: half of the memory is being used for cache which means it's basically free |
| 00:48.47 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: nope, half ram and 70% swap. |
| 00:48.52 | goingtomoonbrb | stew: On a fresh boot, it only uses about 250MB RAM |
| 00:49.09 | goingtomoonbrb | 494292k used, 22376k free, |
| 00:49.12 | goingtomoonbrb | That's half of the ram? |
| 00:49.15 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: (i missed the swap usage at first look though) |
| 00:49.24 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: 242952k cached <- that is half of the ram |
| 00:49.50 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: do you have a custom kernel? |
| 00:50.03 | goingtomoonbrb | nope |
| 00:50.14 | goingtomoonbrb | just using generic 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 00:50.16 | goingtomoonbrb | on Etch |
| 00:50.23 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: it looks like you had some event which made you use lots of memory and go into swap, but since you have recovered, and now you have plenty of free memory |
| 00:50.54 | ry1 | abrotman: never mind, they are all 2.6_version, the latest is on aug 2 of this year I believe, from what I know of linux, it could be any of these |
| 00:50.57 | goingtomoonbrb | stew: Hm... I guess I don't really understand the significance of 494332k used, vs 170564k cached |
| 00:51.01 | Sebo | Ok - so '#df -h' says I've got 11M used space (100%) at /boot (and I don't know why 'mc' was saying '11k' ;P ) |
| 00:51.11 | ry1 | I will try it with the kernel.org source and see what happens though |
| 00:51.14 | abrotman | ry1: use the latest then .. if need be .. you've a working config |
| 00:51.23 | ry1 | yep :) |
| 00:51.27 | abrotman | ry1: should i keep building this thing ? |
| 00:51.29 | goingtomoonbrb | stew: So it's the cache I should be paying attention to? |
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| 00:52.37 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: run vmstat 1, let it run for a minute or so, ignore the first line, go about your business while it runs, them tell me if either the so or si columns are non-zero |
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| 00:53.10 | abrotman | mine are 'a'?!?! |
| 00:53.15 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: if so is non-zero you are actively swapping and are short of memory, if so is non-zero you are recovering from swapping (meaning something was using a ton of memory but is no longer) |
| 00:53.46 | goingtomoonbrb | did you mean si for one of those so s? |
| 00:54.07 | jelly-home | stew, goingtomoonbrb: the latter one is si, isn't it |
| 00:54.08 | enouf_ | goingtomoonbrb: vmstat 1 means update every 1 second -- and then stew will explain to you/us what the so/si columns mean :-) |
| 00:54.09 | stew | yes, si is actively using swap. so is recovering |
| 00:54.10 | goingtomoonbrb | So is non-zero pretty constantly |
| 00:54.26 | goingtomoonbrb | "so" I mean |
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| 00:54.36 | enouf_ | stew: thanks for clarifying so/si -- I was curious |
| 00:54.51 | goingtomoonbrb | (then again, ATM I am running apt-get upgrade -y) |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | man vmstat ? |
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| 00:55.10 | stew | so means swapping out, you are sending pages to disk becuase you are out of ram. si means swap in, taking previously swapped pages off disk and loading them to memory |
| 00:55.29 | enouf_ | abrotman: swapin swapout ..?? |
| 00:55.31 | goingtomoonbrb | Hm. |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | enouf_: i meant .. the man page explains it |
| 00:55.38 | enouf_ | stew: ahh |
| 00:55.42 | goingtomoonbrb | now it's shifting to si |
| 00:55.47 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: if so is non-zero during normal operations, you could benefit from having more physical ram |
| 00:55.47 | goingtomoonbrb | but it had been so for quite a while |
| 00:55.58 | enouf_ | abrotman: ;-) |
| 00:56.54 | goingtomoonbrb | stew: so the stats on memory given by top are useless? |
| 00:56.57 | stew | if in the last couple of mintues you have gone from having 250 megs of free ram to having none, then you should figure out what is causing that. large swings like that don't sound like a leak |
| 00:57.03 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: not at all |
| 00:57.07 | goingtomoonbrb | Ah. |
| 00:57.19 | ry1 | abrotman: think I somehow busted my grub, give me about ten minutes to reinstall... |
| 00:57.21 | goingtomoonbrb | Sorry for being such a noob, I try to RTFM but it doesn't always help :/ |
| 00:57.35 | abrotman | ry1: eh ? |
| 00:57.48 | abrotman | ry1: that same guy has 2.6 speakup install cds |
| 00:58.04 | ry1 | abrotman: I have to reinstall debian because I somehow killed my boot manu or something |
| 00:58.18 | abrotman | somehow ? |
| 00:58.23 | stew | ry1: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 00:58.38 | ry1 | stew: does the fix talk? |
| 00:58.55 | abrotman | haha |
| 00:59.05 | stew | no |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | ry1: are you 100% blind ? |
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| 00:59.43 | ry1 | abrotman: I tried to reinstall a fresh kernel that I had compiled, with my working config and it deleted the talking 2.6 that I got off shane's site which deleted my working 2.4.27. and yes, plastic eyes actually |
| 00:59.44 | lunitik | goingtomoonbrb: how much RAM is on the system? I have 640, and usually no more than 20 are free at any one time.... but it never goes to swap here |
| 00:59.46 | enouf_ | ry1: what did you do to grub? you can edit it upon boot using the 'e' key |
| 00:59.50 | goingtomoonbrb | lunitik: 512MB |
| 01:00.06 | goingtomoonbrb | lunitik: according to top, almost all my RAM and swap are used ATM. |
| 01:00.16 | ry1 | enouf: I think I am just stuck in a kernel that won't talk |
| 01:00.19 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:00.20 | abrotman | ry1: well .. i meant .. you're not extremely near-sighted .. did you use make oldconfig ? |
| 01:00.27 | goingtomoonbrb | lunitik: killing processes that are using ~20MB of ram isn't doing any good either. |
| 01:01.06 | ry1 | abrotman: yes, and since I was using the very same source, I didn't have to answer any questions |
| 01:01.09 | ry1 | thank god |
| 01:01.17 | lunitik | goingtomoonbrb: that _should_ be plenty for KDE... I used to run it with 128MB RAM and it didn't swap _that_ much! |
| 01:01.17 | abrotman | ry1: eh .. hrm .. but it didn't work |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:01.34 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: so, what's on top when you sort by RES in top (apart from X)? |
| 01:01.42 | abrotman | kde! |
| 01:01.50 | ry1 | abrotman: think I forgot to say which default synth to use |
| 01:01.53 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:01.59 | ry1 | stupid eh |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | ry1: doh! |
| 01:02.24 | lunitik | abrotman: shush, its relevant damnit... swear to god :D |
| 01:02.31 | goingtomoonbrb | jelly-home: sorry, what's the command line option to sort by that? |
| 01:02.39 | goingtomoonbrb | jelly-home: I'm not entirely accustomed to top. |
| 01:02.49 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: dunno, i just press M |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | is that 'fudo' thing taken care of yet? |
| 01:03.04 | ry1 | abrotman: I know, though this reinstall won't take a second :) |
| 01:03.15 | ry1 | I usually only do the netinst with base system |
| 01:03.22 | lunitik | abrotman: someone was in here still complaining about mirrors.kernel.org ... but apparently ftp.us.debian.org no longer points there/is fixed |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | you people with fast internet .. yuo make me sick! |
| 01:03.27 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: that's M not m. |
| 01:03.33 | goingtomoonbrb | jelly-home: X, and a whole bunch of K-utilities |
| 01:03.35 | goingtomoonbrb | Hm... |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | lunitik: i've said this before .. mirrors.k.o is always messed up |
| 01:03.45 | goingtomoonbrb | Oh, Opera is still running, even though I killed it. |
| 01:03.46 | ry1 | abrotman: what's your net speed? |
| 01:03.54 | goingtomoonbrb | ah, ok, root killed it... |
| 01:03.55 | abrotman | ry1: 6MB down :) |
| 01:03.58 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: ahh, kde. |
| 01:04.00 | ry1 | lol |
| 01:04.05 | goingtomoonbrb | now my memory usage has decreased by about 150MB in both swap and RAM |
| 01:04.07 | goingtomoonbrb | but still |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | ry1: we have FIOS people stop in every once in a while |
| 01:04.27 | goingtomoonbrb | 380MB RAM and 350MB swap is a bit much for only running about 4 small apps |
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| 01:04.38 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: top doesn't account for shared memory though, so those kde deamon thingies don't really use that much. |
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| 01:05.01 | lunitik | Usually 200+ kb/s faster than my normal average... although I've seen other mirrors approach 800kb/s here |
| 01:05.03 | goingtomoonbrb | jelly-home: Ah. Yeah, it says that each one uses about ~15MB of memory, and there are about 8 of them |
| 01:05.10 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: I suggest trying a leaner graphical environment if it really bothers you. |
| 01:05.14 | phogg | lunitik: it's great when it works. I used it fine for most of woody but lately it's been very "Failed to open file" |
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| 01:05.31 | goingtomoonbrb | jelly-home: I had been using fluxbox, but Etch broke it >.> |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | phogg: for mirrors.k.o ? |
| 01:05.38 | goingtomoonbrb | one of the updates just... broke flux :3 |
| 01:05.38 | phogg | abrotman: yes |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | phogg: i gave up trying to use it a long time ago |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | lunitik: apt-spy |
| 01:06.52 | jelly-home | goingtomoonbrb: I tried using KDE with half-gig of RAM but wasn't too happy, I'm now back to afterstep 1.8, vintage '99. |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:07.08 | lunitik | abrotman: I tried that... still get averages of 650-ish with its choice :( |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | lunitik: ah well .. should be fast enough for you |
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| 01:07.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: what's with madonna? :-) |
| 01:07.35 | lunitik | abrotman: there is no such thing as "fast enough" |
| 01:07.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: she did a mock crusifiction of herself in Rome last night :) |
| 01:07.47 | stew | goingtomoonbrb: when you run "free" now do you still have a large "cached" value? |
| 01:07.48 | phogg | jelly-home: high five! |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | oh wait .. jelly-home was smiling |
| 01:08.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: well you didn't expect me to ask about the middle east or gas shortage, did you. |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | jelly-home: well .. the gas shortage is because of a rotted pipeline in alaska |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: though it's a small amount of oil .. i'm sure someone will overreact :) |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | woohoo .. i'm up to Filesystems on that kernel build |
| 01:10.12 | ry1 | yikes, that box really is slow |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | ry1: it's a dual ppro 200 ... and debian kernels have like *everything* as a module |
| 01:10.44 | ry1 | I'm actually quite impressed at how little time it takes to reinstall |
| 01:10.52 | jelly-home | lunitik: you're crazy. gcjwtf? Everyone knows Java is made by Sun. |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:11.06 | lunitik | jelly-home: psh |
| 01:11.06 | ry1 | I'm already almost done the base system, then I just have to redownload the kernel source |
| 01:11.16 | ry1 | kernel.org must hate me today :) |
| 01:11.45 | lunitik | jelly-home: although, thats someone what I don't want to install it without knowing it works... don't want it to break the sun install :o |
| 01:11.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: did you know, kernel can be compiled on another machine. |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: this isn't a kernel for me :) |
| 01:12.03 | lunitik | s/someone/somewhat/ ... really wish my fingers would listen to me sometimes :( |
| 01:12.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: at least i didn't build it on the P150 :) |
| 01:12.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh, carry on then |
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| 01:12.29 | abrotman | that baby has 24MB of ram! |
| 01:13.08 | lunitik | I'd have distcc running if I had more than one box to utilize... |
| 01:13.30 | abrotman | lunitik: if i were smart .. i'd have a sarge chroot on this laptop :) |
| 01:14.00 | lunitik | abrotman: if you were smart, you'd have a sid and etch chroot on a sarge box ;) |
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| 01:14.11 | abrotman | i don't mind running etch |
| 01:14.15 | ry1 | hey wow, I can use distcc on my four node beowulf |
| 01:14.20 | ry1 | this is neat |
| 01:14.33 | stoned | quit smackin people |
| 01:14.35 | ry1 | they're all p1s and 2s |
| 01:14.50 | ry1 | I built it for fun but never used it |
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| 01:15.03 | abrotman | stoned: i'd smack you .. but you'd like it |
| 01:15.17 | stoned | man why you gotta make the public? |
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| 01:16.49 | abrotman | yay? |
| 01:17.13 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:17.15 | stoned | ooh, take that |
| 01:17.18 | stoned | in da face! |
| 01:17.44 | stoned | I got nifty moves, cat-like reflexes, and a mighty bong |
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| 01:23.36 | lunitik | cat-like reflexes.... and a bong? can't possibly be right |
| 01:23.48 | lunitik | unless you haven't used said bong in a while? |
| 01:24.23 | lunitik | nifty moves... like hand to mouth, and chew... perhaps though... |
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| 01:25.38 | abrotman | hey .. it's still building .. shocker i know |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | do you guys have any idea how many filesystems linux supports? |
| 01:27.52 | xsappyx | abrotman: 124,999,345 +- 3 |
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| 01:28.14 | abrotman | xsappyx: no? |
| 01:28.18 | krnl`- | where is the tulip network driver in kernel 2.4? i cant find! |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | xsappyx: oh :) |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | krnl`-: oldtulip or de4x5 ? |
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| 01:31.40 | enouf_ | abrotman : 'cd cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs' then 'ls' |
| 01:31.54 | enouf_ | doh only one 'd' |
| 01:32.00 | enouf_ | doh only one 'cd' |
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| 01:32.20 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:34.04 | abrotman | still building ... |
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| 01:34.17 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | what are you building? |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | a kernel for someone else :) |
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| 01:35.15 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | eew |
| 01:35.27 | abrotman | woohoo .. crypto! |
| 01:35.33 | peters3 | what do i edit for "sendmail" |
| 01:35.39 | peters3 | i need to set my email address |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | that's a bit vague |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | are you even running sendmail ? |
| 01:36.30 | ry1 | oh god... sendmail, I gave up on that one :) couldn't get any mlm to work with it for the life of me |
| 01:36.34 | enouf_ | wants to try abrotman's build on his own p166 w/32MB ram to compare with a p150 w/28MB :-p |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | enouf_: i can tell you how to do it |
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| 01:36.54 | peters3 | where is the configuration file for sendmail |
| 01:36.58 | peters3 | is all im asking |
| 01:36.59 | gravity | Heh, I ran sendmail for a litle while. For simple config, it's not horrendous, although needing a set of m4 macros to generate that config is horrifying |
| 01:37.08 | gravity | You don't want the actual config |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | peters3: in /etc/sendmail/ probaby |
| 01:37.14 | ry1 | no, no you don't |
| 01:37.14 | gravity | Unless... you know... you like pain |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | he asked for it! |
| 01:37.30 | enouf_ | abrotman : how's that dual p200 doing ? how much RAM in that puppy ? |
| 01:37.35 | ry1 | oh well, we'll let him learn the hard way :) |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | 384MB |
| 01:37.40 | enouf_ | nice! |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 01:37.48 | abrotman | it used to be a tomcat box |
| 01:37.55 | enouf_ | I hear ya |
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| 01:38.09 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | 256MB here! ^^ |
| 01:38.10 | ry1 | abrotman: what is or was tomcat? |
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| 01:38.21 | peters3 | i need to send out emails to people on debian linux whats the easiest route then? |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | ry1: tomcat is a JSP server |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | roughly |
| 01:38.37 | ry1 | ah |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | !tomcat |
| 01:38.38 | dpkg | i guess tomcat is a reference implementation of jsp 1.1 and servlets 2.2 - for more information visit http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, or if you still have problems to configure and run it, see http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/apache/ |
| 01:39.05 | Piet | peters3: a MTA |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | but a sensible one |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | peters3: think exim or postfix |
| 01:39.22 | Piet | :) |
| 01:39.30 | peters3 | ah i am familiar with postfixc |
| 01:39.32 | peters3 | postfix |
| 01:39.36 | ry1 | peters3: exim comes with debian by default |
| 01:39.43 | peters3 | ok |
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| 01:39.50 | peters3 | what do i do to configure it exactly |
| 01:39.52 | peters3 | just edit a conf? |
| 01:40.38 | enouf_ | complains to self that only has 320MB on his PII, even after girl brought him a nice 128MB module-- mobo can take 768, sd-ram (pc100/133) but new is still expensive <hits dram manu over the head with a shovel> |
| 01:40.44 | ry1 | abrotman: untarring source for another crack at this thing :) |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | ry1: yay! |
| 01:41.02 | Piet | peters3: yup, and restart it. welcome to debian. |
| 01:41.13 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | k-6 333mhz w/ 256mb :) |
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| 01:42.00 | ry1 | p-166mhz, 128mb old 72 pin ram |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | EDO |
| 01:42.15 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | you win |
| 01:42.19 | peters3 | Piet :D |
| 01:42.33 | enouf_ | abrotman: JSP server? -- I hope you've taken all the active infectious applets out of there :-p |
| 01:42.40 | enouf_ | ry1 : SIMM |
| 01:42.55 | ry1 | heh, my father used to be a property manager and he got one of his tenant's old servers |
| 01:42.57 | abrotman | enouf_: it's not anymore |
| 01:43.36 | positrix | Every time I start my computer, I need to type "sudo ifup wlan0" and "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /windows" How do I do these automagically? |
| 01:43.47 | Piet | peters3: is it that you are on debian and want to send out email to others whose system you don't know or is it that you are on some system and want to send email out to people who use debian? this wasn't exactly clear from what you said. |
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| 01:43.56 | enouf_ | you won;t believe this ..eww |
| 01:44.03 | abrotman | positrix: man 5 interfaces and man fstab |
| 01:44.15 | peters3 | Piet: the first one |
| 01:44.28 | enouf_ | just took a swig from the friggin beer bottle used to hold cig butts ...yuK!! -- runs off to chugg a Full Cold one!! |
| 01:44.29 | peters3 | im on debian, need to send out to many clients (99.9999% running windows) |
| 01:44.40 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | D: |
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| 01:45.08 | enouf_ | ahhhh....Much better now ....phew!! |
| 01:45.09 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | you put cig butts in beer bottles?? |
| 01:45.16 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | o_O |
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| 01:45.26 | ry1 | it's convenient |
| 01:45.30 | Piet | peters3: ok, is it a bulk mailing? are you sending those emails along the internet? if so, is the system you're connected to the internet on a static ip address? |
| 01:45.36 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: yep -- keeps the stench down :-) |
| 01:45.38 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | until you try to drink from it ^^ |
| 01:45.52 | peters3 | yes along the internet, and yes static ip |
| 01:46.00 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: e-x-a-c-t-l-y ...it's friggin dark in here :-p |
| 01:46.02 | peters3 | sometimes bulk, sometimes just a single person |
| 01:46.25 | ry1 | enouf: I used to do that with coke cans, but then friends got too pissed when they tried to drink half full of coke but butt infected cans :) |
| 01:46.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | turn up your monitor brightness ;-P |
| 01:46.35 | ry1 | or just tried to get the last drop |
| 01:46.40 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: my right/left brainfart did it ;-) |
| 01:46.41 | ry1 | and got a nasty surprise |
| 01:46.42 | Piet | peters3: did you check whether the ip addres is blacklisted in dns block lists? |
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| 01:47.16 | peters3 | Piet: nope, im not sending out spam, this is for people that WANT the mail |
| 01:47.17 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: got an LCD that'l put the SUN to shame ;-P but ti's toned down indeed ...w-a-y- too bright |
| 01:47.22 | peters3 | but where can i check that |
| 01:47.22 | enouf_ | it's* |
| 01:47.30 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | hehe, me too |
| 01:47.45 | Piet | peters3: i was hoping for that. but you should still check. try openrbl.org |
| 01:47.48 | stew | peters3: what is the problem you are trying to solve? are you trying to figure out what MTA to use? or are you trying to figure out how to send mail using your MTA or what? |
| 01:47.51 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | I have a better solution... Quit smoking! |
| 01:48.04 | ry1 | I for one enjoy it too much |
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| 01:48.37 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: i can barely see hte keyboard lettering (monitors at eye level) -I know they make backlit-- but not sure I wanna spend since I POUND on the keys ...hehehe |
| 01:48.46 | peters3 | well if im using exim4, what do i need to do to start using it with PHP, ill handle the PHP side of it, but i want to get it setup for use... |
| 01:49.22 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: more sex == less smoking ;-) girl ain;t around tonight :-( |
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| 01:49.30 | abrotman | set exim4 to use a smarthost probably |
| 01:49.52 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | bah! I'm pinging 200 to google >_<" I'm going to throw my brother's computer out the window, then throw him out too! |
| 01:50.10 | stew | peters3: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:50.27 | peters3 | thanks |
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| 01:51.20 | peters3 | appreciate it stew :D |
| 01:51.28 | peters3 | and you too Piet |
| 01:51.38 | inc|freaky | hi all. i moved to a new server, backed up all Databases and inserted it on the new server. now i get the following error in the logs: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
| 01:51.47 | inc|freaky | how can i correct that? |
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| 01:52.19 | enouf_ | peters3: know of a decent exim4 page -- have yet to run it, set up myself and use it though : http://talk.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim_maildir_imap.shtml also there's http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=34&Itemid=59 and this for "exim4 fetchmail mutt procmail" http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt/ |
| 01:52.41 | peters3 | ok cool thanks |
| 01:52.54 | Piet | peters3: no problem. but stew is right in that you should first make your head up on what exactly you want to do and should provide more information on it. |
| 01:53.13 | peters3 | kk |
| 01:53.14 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: lighten up -- have a smoke :-p hehehe . |
| 01:53.32 | ry1 | abrotman: wow, the speakup cvs server must be on dial up |
| 01:53.38 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | won't be tobacco, that's for sure |
| 01:53.52 | stoned | word |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | ry1: i know :) |
| 01:54.12 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: stoned will be disappointed |
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| 01:54.47 | enouf_ | Silent_Chaos[CAN: sahh...didn't realize you said "tobacco" , and not 'smoke' ...doh |
| 01:54.48 | Piet | if you want to send email with php on linux then it's normally done through the sendmail interface which most full-blown MTAs such as postfix and exim (as well as the sendmail package itself) provide. setting up a internet exposed mail system correctly isn't really easy, though, be sure you know what you're doing. |
| 01:54.51 | stoned | I'm hungry and I don't have any food |
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| 01:55.18 | enouf_ | stoned: I'm about to go out and grab some |
| 01:55.20 | Piet | peters3: that last paragraph went to you |
| 01:55.29 | peters3 | yeah thanks |
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| 01:55.51 | stoned | enouf_, get on dominos.com and buy me a pizza |
| 01:56.14 | peters3 | i set it to internet site, then System mail name: mydomain.com |
| 01:56.15 | stoned | order online, have it delivered |
| 01:56.18 | peters3 | this is right so far correct? |
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| 01:56.33 | stoned | what happened to peterS |
| 01:56.46 | peters3 | ? |
| 01:56.48 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | stoned, try oatmeal... it's surprisingly delicious while under the influence of marijuana |
| 01:56.54 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | with brown sugar |
| 01:56.55 | enouf_ | stoned: yuK! .. you bring some of that fine acalpuco gold, and I'll whip out the CC for a meal :-) |
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| 01:57.19 | ry1 | abrotman: going afk for abgout 20 mins |
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| 01:57.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:58.09 | stoned | I got carrots |
| 01:58.10 | stoned | brb |
| 01:58.15 | enouf_ | hasn't tried to spell 'acalpuco' since the late 70s ...hehehe and still botches it up |
| 01:58.36 | charles_ | Would someone please answer the following question for me? If I publish a word under the GNU FDL with no invariant section and no cover texts, is another person able to create a derivative work and add their own invariant sections or cover text? |
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| 01:59.31 | Silent_Chaos[CAN | <stoned> I got carrots <-- on that note we queue the pink floyd |
| 01:59.41 | enouf_ | vaguely remembers how to spell chocolate thai though :-p |
| 01:59.53 | Piet | peterS: correct if your domain name is "mydomain.com" |
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| 02:00.15 | peters3 | is there i way i can make my SMTP server only SEND Messages |
| 02:00.17 | peters3 | i never want to recieve |
| 02:00.26 | peters3 | ill let gmail.com do that |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | smarthost |
| 02:00.38 | peters3 | k |
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| 02:02.22 | dondelelcaro | peters3: or use nullmailer |
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| 02:05.35 | lunitik | Very easy to set up... and all it does it throw mail at externel SMTP server... |
| 02:05.44 | lunitik | s/it/is/ |
| 02:06.24 | charles_ | Would someone please answer the following question for me? If I publish a word under the GNU FDL with no invariant section and no cover texts, is another person able to create a derivative work and add their own invariant sections or cover texts? |
| 02:06.39 | abrotman | again ? |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | maybe ask #gnu |
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| 02:08.09 | charles_ | I'll try #gnu. Thanks |
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| 02:09.00 | ivan` | anyone have problems with siege (either from unstable or from source)? |
| 02:09.07 | ivan` | or are there major problems with things segfaulting in unstable right now? |
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| 02:11.18 | peters3 | lunitik: you there |
| 02:12.13 | lunitik | peters3: somewhat... |
| 02:12.37 | abrotman | got drunk and fell over again eh? :) |
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| 02:13.17 | peters3 | lunitik: can i still send mail? |
| 02:13.34 | j4cbo | i'm doing a big mysql import and top says one of the cores is at 96-99% 'wa', what's that? |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | waiting |
| 02:13.49 | j4cbo | for? |
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| 02:13.52 | abrotman | you |
| 02:13.53 | lunitik | peters3: all mail would be sent via the smtp server you set it to use... but yes |
| 02:13.59 | a1fa|64 | anybody esle having problems with DMA on NFORCE3? |
| 02:14.04 | peters3 | ah ok |
| 02:14.11 | j4cbo | abrotman: er wouldn't that be idle? |
| 02:14.18 | lunitik | abrotman: noooo... reading things... |
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| 02:14.20 | abrotman | j4cbo: it's waiting |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | waiting: Time spent waiting for IO. Prior to Linux 2.5.41, included in idle. |
| 02:14.34 | a1fa|64 | ~nforce3 |
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| 02:14.41 | abrotman | bah .. that was wa: |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | but someone is named waiting |
| 02:14.52 | j4cbo | i/o then, argh |
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| 02:15.43 | abrotman | lalala .. still building |
| 02:15.55 | ry1 | abrotman: where are you at now? |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | ry1: i moved to my flood |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | floor |
| 02:16.26 | ry1 | heh |
| 02:16.28 | j4cbo | why on earth is it thrashing the disk... |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | j4cbo: it's a database? |
| 02:16.48 | j4cbo | yeah, a 400mb database, i have 2gb of ram |
| 02:16.59 | j4cbo | shouldn't stuff just stay cached? |
| 02:17.12 | a1fa|64 | anybody esle having problems with DMA on NFORCE3? |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | j4cbo: it's doing inserts isn't it ? |
| 02:18.06 | j4cbo | the kernel won't defer the writes? |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | not forever |
| 02:18.35 | j4cbo | is there some way to turn that time up? |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | probably not right now |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | i'm on isdn drivers! |
| 02:20.48 | bws42 | what are you building? |
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| 02:21.14 | j4cbo | bws42: me? |
| 02:21.51 | bws42 | no abrotman |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | bws42: a kernel |
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| 02:22.23 | bws42 | ahh |
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| 02:23.10 | a1fa|64 | http://www.dickscab.com/content/irc/elita/ |
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| 02:23.18 | a1fa|64 | err |
| 02:23.20 | a1fa|64 | dont go there |
| 02:23.21 | inono | Does anyone know what file I would look at to see the list of allowed SSH users? |
| 02:23.24 | a1fa|64 | NWS |
| 02:23.25 | a1fa|64 | my bad |
| 02:23.29 | a1fa|64 | dont go to that url.. NWS |
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| 02:24.24 | abrotman | a1fa|64: that's just rude .. now all the newbs will be offended and run away |
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| 02:25.35 | a1fa|64 | abrotman: Ihehe.. i didnt mean to post it here.. different network, different channel |
| 02:25.53 | abrotman | efnet weirdos .. jeez |
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| 02:26.26 | a1fa|64 | how did you know :P |
| 02:26.44 | abrotman | because it contained the word dicks |
| 02:27.00 | inono | ewww efnet |
| 02:27.13 | inono | hissssss |
| 02:28.38 | ry1 | abrotman: wish me luck, compiling yet again, this config file gave me less errors than any I have tried so far, but I did notice that everything was modularized, even things like sound and PCMCIA support, is it upon bootup, will the machine just detect hardware and load the appropriate modules? |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | that's a debian config for you :) |
| 02:29.02 | ry1 | oh jees :) |
| 02:29.11 | ry1 | no wonder my kernels weren't working |
| 02:29.14 | ry1 | lol |
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| 02:30.22 | a1fa|64 | anybody esle having problems with DMA on NFORCE3? |
| 02:30.53 | stew | a1fa|64: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 02:30.53 | ry1 | a1: NForce is a walking talking problem period :) |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | ry1: /msg dpkg madwifi install |
| 02:32.36 | ry1 | abroatman: that is madwifi-old release 0.7 I believe, not the latest drivers |
| 02:32.50 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:33.20 | ry1 | According to what I've read, 0.9.2 supports more cards |
| 02:33.24 | a1fa|64 | stew: yes |
| 02:33.30 | a1fa|64 | stew: 2.6.17 |
| 02:33.51 | ry1 | but thanks for the tip, the worsed that can happen is that it won't work and I will end up having to do it the debian way :) |
| 02:33.54 | abrotman | ry1: as long as it supports yours .. doesn't matter |
| 02:34.02 | a1fa|64 | ry1: now you tell me |
| 02:34.14 | ry1 | a1: tell you what? |
| 02:34.39 | inono | Does anyone know how you can restrict which users can SSH and which can't? |
| 02:34.51 | stew | a1fa|64: run lsmod, see if ide-generic was loaded before or after your ide driver |
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| 02:35.07 | a1fa|64 | ide_core 111432 4 generic,amd74xx,ide_disk,ide_generic |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | inono: man sshd_config |
| 02:35.22 | a1fa|64 | stew: i put it in blacklist, and i put amd74xxx first.. but still not working |
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| 02:35.39 | stew | a1fa|64: was amd74xx loaded before or after ide_generic? |
| 02:35.56 | stew | a1fa|64: blacklisting isn't going to work, this is all happening in your initrd |
| 02:36.14 | a1fa|64 | i've put amd74xxx in initrd and rebuilt it |
| 02:36.19 | a1fa|64 | amd74xxx is listed before ide_generic |
| 02:36.36 | stew | a1fa|64: like lsmod spits it out sooner than ide_generic? |
| 02:36.53 | a1fa|64 | yup |
| 02:37.21 | stew | a1fa|64: that is your probem then, it means that ide_generic was loaded first. you need to have amd74xx loaded before ide_generic if you want dma to be working |
| 02:37.32 | stew | a1fa|64: which initrd generator are you using? |
| 02:37.47 | a1fa|64 | yaird |
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| 02:38.07 | stew | a1fa|64: do you run udev? |
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| 02:38.30 | a1fa|64 | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird |
| 02:38.41 | a1fa|64 | dev i believe |
| 02:38.56 | jetscreamer | there's some mkinitrd rules somewhere iirc |
| 02:39.10 | jetscreamer | then you re-roll the initrd after you get them down |
| 02:39.10 | inono | abrotman, heh.. already read that file, made the changes, turned out i forgot to reload sshd :) |
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| 02:39.15 | abrotman | yay |
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| 02:40.31 | stew | a1fa|64: you could try explicitly listing amd74xx in the yaird config. if you use udev you might consider trying initramfs-tools instead of yaird |
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| 02:41.01 | stew | !tell UZX83 about root |
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| 02:43.22 | a1fa|64 | stew: i did that |
| 02:44.13 | a1fa|64 | anything that needs to be changed in mkinitrd.conf |
| 02:44.20 | a1fa|64 | so it really uses modules instead of probing |
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| 02:45.03 | stew | a1fa|64: mkinitrd.conf? you should be using /etc/yaird not /etc/mkinitrd.conf |
| 02:45.55 | a1fa|64 | lol :P |
| 02:46.09 | a1fa|64 | i rebuilt the image using that mkinitrd.yaird |
| 02:46.18 | a1fa|64 | point it to /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
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| 02:47.31 | a1fa|64 | <-- stuped |
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| 02:48.55 | pyrohotdog | Anybody have any idea why my computer won't boot past "SYSLINUX 2.04 COPYRIGHT" blah blah? |
| 02:49.29 | a1fa|64 | older cdrom? |
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| 02:49.58 | pyrohotdog | yeah, it's an old drive, but it normally boots just fine... |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: did you sign the EULA ? |
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| 02:50.28 | pyrohotdog | huh? |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | joke! |
| 02:50.40 | smacnay_ | how does one select a range of files to run through an app? I am trying "feh -F file[0001-0020].jpg" I am reading the man for bash but this is not working. |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | smacnay_: what's the app ? |
| 02:51.04 | ivan` | bash can't do that |
| 02:51.16 | ivan` | might want find and xargs or something similar |
| 02:51.26 | stew | smacnay_: "feh -F file<0001-0020>.jpg" in zsh |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | xargs! |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | zsh fanbois! |
| 02:51.48 | pyrohotdog | it normally boots just fine. in fact, it boot a debian disc even though the burn failed (but the installation failed) but when I reburned successfully, it won't boot the disc! |
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| 02:51.53 | smacnay_ | abrotman: feh - an imge viewer |
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| 02:52.00 | smacnay_ | stew: I will try - thanks |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | smacnay_: oh .. ls file00[01-20].jpg | xargs feh |
| 02:52.37 | smacnay_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:52.50 | myggan | hm, my debian's filesystem seem to have screwed up somehow, it's all readonly, how could I fix this? |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | though it will rpobably spawn 20 |
| 02:52.52 | ivan` | ls -1 --color=never |
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| 02:53.29 | pyrohotdog | this is frusterating...I just want to install *nix! and it randomly won't boot any install discs! |
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| 02:53.48 | smacnay_ | abrotman: no luck |
| 02:53.53 | abrotman | smacnay_: why not?! |
| 02:53.55 | smacnay_ | stew: no luck with <> |
| 02:54.02 | a1fa|64 | stew: i will reboot in two minutes |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | smacnay_: stew's was for zsh |
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| 02:54.33 | smacnay_ | abrotman: not sure... first line of error was: ls: p1000[275-300].jpg: No such file or directory |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | smacnay_: what's the command you typed ? |
| 02:55.28 | smacnay_ | abrotman: ls p1000[275-300].jpg | xargs feh |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | do those files actually exist .. i just did it here |
| 02:55.50 | smacnay_ | yes |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | so it's p1000275.jpg ? |
| 02:56.31 | smacnay_ | abrotman: there are one or two breaks in the sequence but there is a range. |
| 02:56.32 | pyrohotdog | Okay, another restart, and it randomly booted, but now I get "No setup signature found ..." ??? |
| 02:56.33 | smacnay_ | abrotman: yes |
| 02:56.48 | abrotman | is that a 1 or l |
| 02:56.58 | smacnay_ | 1 |
| 02:57.20 | abrotman | smacnay_: this is bash right ? |
| 02:57.34 | smacnay_ | abrotman: I am using bash from within an aterm console in windowmaker |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | i'm not sure aterm or wmaker matter |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | smacnay_: ls -l p1000275.jpg |
| 02:58.52 | smacnay_ | abrotman: -rwxr-xr-x 1 smacnay smacnay 2262105 Aug 2 19:51 p1000275.jpg |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:59.43 | abrotman | smacnay_: the command you gave above should work jsut fine |
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| 03:00.50 | abrotman | ls p1000[275-300].jpg | xargs feh |
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| 03:01.00 | smacnay_ | abrotman: let me try in a console shell |
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| 03:03.13 | linux2 | hey is a disk I/0 error bad? does this represent a bad disk? |
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| 03:03.35 | abrotman | could be .. got the error ? |
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| 03:07.48 | p3rti | hi.. someone can help me about xgl on my debian sid? |
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| 03:08.09 | p3rti | when i try to start my XGl i get this error.. X Error : BadLength (poly request too large or Internal Xlib lengh Error ) |
| 03:10.52 | smacnay_ | abrotman: how do I tell which shell I am using? |
| 03:11.11 | smacnay_ | abrotman: nm - ps -A shows bash is running |
| 03:11.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:11.19 | abrotman | well .. that hsould work |
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| 03:11.46 | bws42 | how about echo $SHELL |
| 03:11.48 | smacnay_ | hmmm - I can't unmount my usb storage device (camera). |
| 03:11.59 | abrotman | get out of it |
| 03:12.29 | smacnay_ | abrotman: not in it, not in the /mnt/dir at all |
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| 03:12.44 | abrotman | smacnay_: what's the error ? |
| 03:13.10 | abrotman | smacnay_: ? |
| 03:13.25 | SoloFlyer | smacnay_: using umount or within your window manager |
| 03:14.10 | smacnay_ | from a console shell as root... now it unmounts but didn't for some time. Ah - I must be getting tired... thanks for the attention |
| 03:14.15 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:14.33 | smacnay_ | abrotman: I was getting "device is busy" errors but was not using the dir at all |
| 03:14.36 | SoloFlyer | it was probally syncing the data to it |
| 03:15.25 | smacnay_ | SoloFlyer: yes, thanks |
| 03:15.29 | smacnay_ | I am off to bed |
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| 03:18.48 | Buchannon | hm... how can I get exim4 to send emails in html? |
| 03:19.12 | gravity_ | ... |
| 03:19.15 | SoloFlyer | what do u mean? it should just send them |
| 03:19.26 | SoloFlyer | do u want it to convert them or..? |
| 03:19.29 | Buchannon | well, like if I put html in my email, it just shows up with the tags... |
| 03:19.50 | SoloFlyer | what are you using to view the email |
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| 03:20.34 | Buchannon | gmail |
| 03:20.37 | Buchannon | or hotmail |
| 03:21.02 | SoloFlyer | exim is only a MTA it doesnt know anything about html in email |
| 03:21.32 | Buchannon | so the html showing up really isn't part of exim at all? it's whatever is viewing that email? |
| 03:21.39 | SoloFlyer | yes thats correct |
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| 03:21.43 | gravity | Or whatever is sending it |
| 03:21.47 | Buchannon | hrm... ok |
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| 03:22.07 | Buchannon | what about sending an attachment with your emails from like a php script? Anyone point me to the right direction? I'll gladly read up about it |
| 03:22.13 | stew | Buchannon: are you putting the html in a attachment with a "ContentType: text/html" header? |
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| 03:22.30 | Buchannon | stew: nah, I was just putting it in the message |
| 03:22.47 | stew | Buchannon: then gmail would be correct in displaying the actual tags |
| 03:23.00 | SoloFlyer | lol |
| 03:23.09 | Buchannon | ... I have to attach an html file? |
| 03:24.13 | stew | Buchannon: it needs to be an html attachment, not necessarily a file |
| 03:24.55 | Buchannon | <shrug> stew: I guess I'm just confused, I'll see what I can google on it |
| 03:25.01 | SoloFlyer | its all part of the same email its just encoded in text/html |
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| 03:25.45 | ry1 | IS ABROTMAN STILL AROUND |
| 03:26.03 | SoloFlyer | an email is just 1 file with seperate parts encoded in different ways the header tells the email client how that part of the email is encoded |
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| 03:26.18 | stew | ry1: no, he left 15 minutes ago. please turn your caps off |
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| 03:26.33 | SoloFlyer | who soloflyer |
| 03:26.37 | ry1 | kk, sorry about that, didn't notice |
| 03:26.56 | Buchannon | ah... so likea the "Header= From: blabla@gmail.com" kinda thing... I just need to put "ContentType: text/html" somewhere in the header too? |
| 03:27.42 | SoloFlyer | yes |
| 03:27.58 | Buchannon | ah ok I'll mess around with that, thanks! |
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| 03:28.30 | ry1 | stew: have you ever seen a drivers/char error 2? |
| 03:28.41 | ry1 | it stipped my kernel compile |
| 03:28.44 | ry1 | stopped* |
| 03:28.58 | stew | ry1: it doesn't ring a bell |
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| 03:29.26 | ry1 | hmmm, those have been the compile errors I have gotten if speakup didn't crash first. |
| 03:29.52 | stew | Buchannon: it's better to send it as a Content-type: multipart/alternative with text/plain alternative and a text/html alternative so that people without html enabled mail readers can see a plaintext version |
| 03:29.57 | ry1 | drivers/char/keyboard1225.c, undeclaired first use of |
| 03:30.04 | ry1 | whatever in this function |
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| 03:31.34 | SoloFlyer | very true stew |
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| 03:32.42 | Buchannon | stew: hm.. thanks for the tip... how do I define alternative headers? |
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| 03:35.27 | SoloFlyer | http://www.wilsonweb.com/wmt5/html-email-multi.htm |
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| 03:35.59 | SoloFlyer | Buchannon: http://www.wilsonweb.com/wmt5/html-email-multi.htm <-- have a read though that... |
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| 03:38.09 | adamant1988 | Does anyone here use Linspire? |
| 03:38.17 | bush | :| |
| 03:38.21 | Buchannon | SoloFlyer Will do, thanks |
| 03:38.30 | SoloFlyer | lol this is #debian not #linspire |
| 03:38.35 | bush | its a good thing bullets dont travel well over the internet |
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| 03:41.38 | stoned | bush |
| 03:41.40 | stoned | good band |
| 03:42.02 | bush | youre the first person on IRC to ever make that association |
| 03:42.08 | SoloFlyer | lol |
| 03:42.10 | bush | lucky for you, its the right assumption |
| 03:42.18 | SoloFlyer | bush good band... bad man... |
| 03:42.22 | bush | indeed |
| 03:42.27 | peterS | <stoned> what happened to peterS |
| 03:42.29 | peterS | I'm around |
| 03:42.35 | stoned | word man |
| 03:42.45 | peterS | I was out of town for the weekend. Denver. good times. |
| 03:42.51 | stoned | ahh, nice |
| 03:42.58 | stoned | I wish I could go out of town |
| 03:43.16 | peterS | I didn't feel much altitude adjustment (1200 ft -> mile high city) even when I was doing vigorous exercise (dancing) |
| 03:43.16 | SoloFlyer | stoned: you under house arrest? |
| 03:43.42 | stoned | SoloFlyer, no |
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| 03:43.49 | SoloFlyer | heh :P |
| 03:43.52 | jetscreamer | should be though... just give it time |
| 03:43.56 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:44.06 | stoned | :( |
| 03:44.26 | peterS | I felt cheated, though - the people I was riding around with wanted to leave the saturday night dance at 3:30. it went till 4:30, and I still had enough energy for that |
| 03:44.52 | stoned | I think I passed my drug test, so I've been getting really torched lately |
| 03:45.08 | stoned | this whole weekend was doobage, and lots of it |
| 03:45.16 | SoloFlyer | lol |
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| 03:45.55 | peterS | stoned: then I had so much more fun than you did. no grass, just loads of women who could _all_ dance well |
| 03:46.19 | peterS | (I'm not used to that, where I live, there are only a few decent dancers) |
| 03:46.30 | stoned | peterS, what kind of dance, like country folk stuff? |
| 03:46.33 | stoned | square dancing? |
| 03:46.34 | gravity | peterS got his pimp on |
| 03:46.42 | peterS | lindy hop. a form of swing from the 30s |
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| 03:47.15 | stoned | word, I love the 30s. One of my favorite guitarists is from the 30's. 12 bar piano blues on the guitar, named Grant Green |
| 03:47.16 | peterS | invented by the blacks, now almost all white for some reason |
| 03:47.33 | stoned | black guy |
| 03:47.38 | stoned | did some swing too |
| 03:47.39 | peterS | I'm not sure why blacks _all_ moved on to R&B dancing, I think lindy hop is much more fun (: |
| 03:47.55 | stoned | I can headbang |
| 03:48.12 | peterS | of the couple hundred people at this dance event in Denver, I think about 3 or 4 were black. including one who drove with us from wichita. |
| 03:48.12 | stoned | thats a form of dancing, if you bang to the beat |
| 03:48.33 | peterS | yes, headbanging is legit, but I can only do it for a few seconds before my neck starts to ache |
| 03:48.33 | stoned | wow, I ... wow.. speechless |
| 03:48.59 | stoned | shortage of black people in southpark |
| 03:49.03 | stoned | I mean.. Denver |
| 03:49.07 | SoloFlyer | if i put a package on hold and there is an upgrade for it will apt-get upgrade list the upgradedable but not upgraded due to hold package under no upgraded? |
| 03:49.07 | peterS | ha |
| 03:49.09 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 03:49.13 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:49.28 | peterS | SoloFlyer: I think it does just what you describe. try it. |
| 03:50.19 | peterS | stoned: at this event there were lots of locals, of course, but people did come from all over - quite a few from Austin, Texas for example. you'd think they would have a few black people. |
| 03:50.38 | stoned | no, down south is mostly mexicans |
| 03:50.53 | stoned | everything has a spanish translation |
| 03:50.55 | tralala | a question for the debian kernel versioning: there is x.x.x-1 and x.x.x-2, what's the difference? Is -2 more experimental or something? |
| 03:51.00 | peterS | not too many latinos there either, though one of the really good instructors is. he's from orange county, calif. |
| 03:51.31 | stoned | yeah well.. we get some good cultural people in New Orleans.. pffft |
| 03:51.33 | SoloFlyer | yep cool :) |
| 03:51.40 | peterS | tralala: no, it means if you have separately compiled modules, they won't work with the other version |
| 03:51.56 | peterS | stoned: we had a band from new orleans saturday night, actually. they were white too. |
| 03:52.02 | stoned | lol |
| 03:52.05 | stoned | damn white people huh |
| 03:52.07 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:52.11 | tralala | peterS: and how can I tell if I want -1 or -2? |
| 03:52.51 | peterS | tralala: debian will only ship one at any given time. you want what is being shipped. -2 means there have been patches put in since -1 which make it incompatible with your existing external modules, if you have any |
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| 03:52.53 | jetscreamer | trent reznor is from new orleans |
| 03:52.59 | jetscreamer | or his grandmother is |
| 03:53.01 | peterS | jetscreamer: no kidding? I had no idea |
| 03:53.02 | stoned | "I see dead people" Really? wow. ghosts are white you know. "I see white people" |
| 03:53.16 | jetscreamer | and he was raised there... yeah no kidding |
| 03:53.18 | stoned | he is not from there, although he recorded a lot there |
| 03:53.22 | peterS | are all ghosts white? even ones who weren't caucasian while alive? |
| 03:53.30 | stoned | yup |
| 03:53.31 | tralala | thanks, peterS |
| 03:53.35 | stoned | ghostsoplasm is white |
| 03:53.45 | jetscreamer | that's ectoplasm to you plas |
| 03:53.48 | stoned | thats the main ingredient that ghosts are composed of |
| 03:53.56 | SoloFlyer | balck ghosts are a darker grey |
| 03:53.57 | stoned | hey, I say its ghostoplasm |
| 03:54.08 | peterS | who you gonna call? |
| 03:54.08 | stoned | even bill cosby's ghost was kinda white |
| 03:54.11 | stoned | in Ghost Dad |
| 03:54.29 | stoned | wait, is bill cosby white or black? |
| 03:54.37 | stoned | you'd think he was black, but you can never tell can ya |
| 03:54.39 | SoloFlyer | grey now :) |
| 03:54.56 | peterS | cosby's black on the outside. in attitude he seems more white. |
| 03:55.13 | peterS | michael jackson, maybe the opposite |
| 03:55.38 | rightcoast | fine time to peek in. lmao |
| 03:55.39 | stoned | man, how does a boy like micheal go wrong |
| 03:55.48 | stoned | tsk tsk |
| 03:56.08 | peterS | stoned: nice how you put the words 'man boy' in that sentence about michael jackson |
| 03:56.16 | stoned | lol |
| 03:56.18 | SoloFlyer | lol |
| 03:56.20 | rightcoast | i dunno, but when you see the billie jean video, don't you want to grab him and say "wtf, you are gonna blow it!" |
| 03:56.42 | k-man | whats it called when you use more than one nic to connect a server to the network and you bind them together to get higher throughput? |
| 03:56.51 | peterS | k-man: trunking is what cisco calls it |
| 03:56.55 | SoloFlyer | trunking |
| 03:57.23 | k-man | ok |
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| 03:57.23 | k-man | thanks |
| 03:57.33 | minerale | I installed the kde package... it downloaded the whole nine yards... I then removed this one kde package (bluetoooth)... now the kde package shows as uninstalled, but all it's subelements are still in... how can I remove em all ? |
| 03:57.39 | jrsims | how can I use command line to see installed packages? |
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| 03:57.51 | jetscreamer | dpkg -L |
| 03:57.56 | minerale | I installed the kde package... it downloaded the whole nine yards... I then removed this one kde package (bluetoooth)... now the kde package shows as uninstalled, but all it's subelements are still in... how can I remove em all ? |
| 03:58.10 | minerale | err sorry |
| 03:58.16 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge kde* will get a few |
| 03:58.28 | jetscreamer | wiat |
| 03:58.32 | jetscreamer | wait no |
| 03:58.34 | a1fa|64 | can somebody send me their initrd |
| 03:58.35 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid |
| 03:58.41 | minerale | what if I redownload and reinstall kde ? |
| 03:58.55 | jetscreamer | the kde that it took out is just a metapackage |
| 03:59.09 | SoloFlyer | a1fa|64: why, just make it using mkinitrd |
| 03:59.18 | a1fa|64 | SoloFlyer: i locked my self out |
| 03:59.33 | a1fa|64 | and i also messed up my old initrd |
| 03:59.35 | tralala | minerale: removing kdebase should do |
| 03:59.36 | a1fa|64 | didnt make backups |
| 03:59.58 | minerale | tralala: kdebase dpes up rc too |
| 04:00.02 | k-man | do you need special switches to be able to do trunking? |
| 04:00.13 | SoloFlyer | k-man: yes |
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| 04:00.24 | tralala | minerale: come again? |
| 04:00.24 | minerale | tralala: nevermind, it's kdebase-bin |
| 04:00.32 | k-man | SoloFlyer, and your average home switch/router wouldn't be able to do it? |
| 04:00.44 | twotwenty | !remove kde |
| 04:00.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs kdelibs-bin |
| 04:00.46 | SoloFlyer | k-man: correct |
| 04:01.21 | tuv | jrsims, jetscreamer: dpkg -l (lowercase L) |
| 04:01.26 | a1fa|64 | what is the username for ssh console install? |
| 04:01.33 | jrsims | thanks |
| 04:02.23 | a1fa|64 | anybody |
| 04:02.24 | SoloFlyer | a1fa|64: you still need an initrd ? |
| 04:02.29 | a1fa|64 | yeah |
| 04:02.36 | a1fa|64 | SoloFlyer: i need to scp it to the box |
| 04:02.39 | a1fa|64 | but i cant get in there |
| 04:02.51 | SoloFlyer | any particular version of the kernel? |
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| 04:03.23 | SoloFlyer | initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 ? |
| 04:03.25 | a1fa|64 | 2.6.17-1-k7 please |
| 04:04.08 | jrsims | so if I want to install mysql 5, where should I go? Testing or backports? |
| 04:04.16 | evilgeek | backports. |
| 04:04.25 | jrsims | why backports? |
| 04:04.37 | jrsims | I'm a noob, by the way |
| 04:04.42 | evilgeek | because upgrading to testing means that you have to endure the disaster that is upgrading all of your libraries. |
| 04:05.00 | jrsims | ah |
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| 04:05.01 | evilgeek | it sucks, and it makes a hell of a lot of things break; in general, it's a good idea to avoid this whenever possible. |
| 04:05.21 | a1fa|64 | SoloFlyer: can you set it anywhere so i can wget it from the box :( |
| 04:05.30 | SoloFlyer | sure |
| 04:05.37 | a1fa|64 | man. i owe you big time |
| 04:05.59 | SoloFlyer | i have to get it first it might take a while... |
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| 04:07.00 | tuv | aren't initrd images built at install time? with system-specific required kernel modules? |
| 04:07.18 | SoloFlyer | yup |
| 04:07.31 | SoloFlyer | which is why i doubt this will work |
| 04:07.42 | tuv | so what's he gonna do with someone else's initrd? |
| 04:07.53 | a1fa|64 | try to boot back up |
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| 04:08.12 | a1fa|64 | i cant boot, because i only had my chipset module in the yaird conf |
| 04:08.17 | a1fa|64 | so i added ide-disk |
| 04:08.18 | a1fa|64 | and ide-generic |
| 04:08.34 | tuv | a1fa|64, i'd boot off a live cd, chroot, and fix the problem |
| 04:08.46 | a1fa|64 | tuv: thats what i i did now |
| 04:08.51 | SoloFlyer | the inird i give you isnt going to have your chipset modules in it |
| 04:09.03 | a1fa|64 | ok |
| 04:09.05 | a1fa|64 | let me try this |
| 04:09.08 | SoloFlyer | it will have mine... |
| 04:09.11 | a1fa|64 | ok |
| 04:09.20 | tuv | a1fa|64, reinstall your linux-image, this should rebuild your initrd, shouldn't it? |
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| 04:09.55 | a1fa|64 | ok |
| 04:09.59 | a1fa|64 | the problem is |
| 04:10.02 | a1fa|64 | i have multiple partitions |
| 04:10.19 | tuv | how is this a problem? |
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| 04:12.17 | tuv | iirc, only initramfs-tools creates initrd images with only the required modules, yaird creates a comprehensive one. is that right? |
| 04:12.31 | a1fa|64 | i dont know |
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| 04:12.45 | a1fa|64 | no the problem is i have multipple partitions when chrooting |
| 04:12.51 | a1fa|64 | i have to moun them all by hand |
| 04:12.51 | chino[dev] | how do i completely get rid of apache ? |
| 04:13.31 | tralala | chino[dev]: including the web pages you have? |
| 04:13.39 | chino[dev] | yea everything its a new system |
| 04:13.46 | chino[dev] | totally completely gone |
| 04:14.21 | tralala | chino[dev]: purge it and if asked tell it to remove everything |
| 04:14.33 | SoloFlyer | a1fa|64: boot using a live-cd then go to where you kernel is and run mkinitrd -o initrd 2.6.17 |
| 04:14.35 | chino[dev] | yea i think i did that allready and yet things are still around |
| 04:14.46 | a1fa|64 | yeah |
| 04:14.48 | tralala | chino[dev]: like what? |
| 04:14.52 | a1fa|64 | ok |
| 04:14.54 | a1fa|64 | i got it |
| 04:14.55 | chino[dev] | like the start script |
| 04:15.00 | a1fa|64 | mountall.sh sucks |
| 04:15.11 | SoloFlyer | lol ok so i can stop downloading 2.6.17? |
| 04:15.12 | a1fa|64 | 2.6.17-1-k7 on running kernel 2.4.27-2-386 in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 04:15.14 | tralala | chino[dev]: are you sure you've purged it? |
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| 04:15.20 | a1fa|64 | yeah man |
| 04:15.21 | a1fa|64 | i got it |
| 04:15.24 | chino[dev] | give me the command ill do it again |
| 04:15.26 | SoloFlyer | cool |
| 04:15.37 | tralala | chino[dev]: aptitude purge <package> |
| 04:15.58 | chino[dev] | wtf is aptitude ? |
| 04:16.14 | tralala | a good thing (tm) |
| 04:16.33 | SoloFlyer | apt-get on steroids |
| 04:16.35 | chino[dev] | i just told it to purge apachea nd it asked me if i wanted to remove freenx |
| 04:16.51 | SoloFlyer | apt-get removes what u tell it |
| 04:17.18 | SoloFlyer | apttitude removes what you tell it plus anything that it depeneded on that isnt being used anymore |
| 04:17.21 | chino[dev] | why is there so many startup scripts ? |
| 04:17.43 | SoloFlyer | in theory anyway :) |
| 04:18.14 | k-man | which is faster, jfs or xfs? |
| 04:18.33 | SoloFlyer | reiserfs :) |
| 04:18.39 | k-man | hmmm |
| 04:18.42 | chino[dev] | dude i want the entire apache family and its sister packages out i remember a while back someone pointed the bot at me on how to do it |
| 04:18.44 | k-man | reiserfs scares me |
| 04:18.46 | peterS | k-man: probably xfs |
| 04:18.52 | SoloFlyer | reiser wrocks! |
| 04:18.54 | k-man | peters, ok, thanks |
| 04:18.57 | peterS | k-man: and you're right to let reiserfs scare you |
| 04:19.03 | k-man | hehe |
| 04:19.04 | k-man | yeah |
| 04:19.04 | nima | hmm, MKO is being a bit nutty |
| 04:19.06 | k-man | it scares me |
| 04:19.08 | k-man | im scared |
| 04:19.21 | SoloFlyer | jfx scares me... |
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| 04:19.25 | SoloFlyer | jfs |
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| 04:19.27 | nima | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main cupsys 1.2.2-1 / 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] |
| 04:19.39 | peterS | xfs is scary in that it's a huge chunk of code. but it's been in IRIX forever and a day and it's been in Linux for years now too, and seems solid enough |
| 04:19.41 | a1fa|64 | SoloFlyer: i cant rebuild it |
| 04:20.08 | a1fa|64 | fixed |
| 04:20.14 | pucho | hello, sorry, where's page web in free hosting? |
| 04:20.16 | SoloFlyer | lol |
| 04:20.19 | tuv | i think xfs is bad where power outages are expected though, for its reliance on caching |
| 04:20.25 | chino[dev] | there is seriously like 40 scripts starting at boot |
| 04:21.06 | nima | is anyone else having trouble with mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 04:21.11 | tuv | chino[dev], not all of them keep running. some are for init. tasks like mounting filesystems and stuff |
| 04:21.18 | a1fa|64 | ok |
| 04:21.20 | a1fa|64 | reboot time |
| 04:21.22 | a1fa|64 | see what we did |
| 04:21.30 | tuv | nima, read the topic |
| 04:21.45 | chino[dev] | tuv: why so many though its confusing to look at if ones are essential they should be together in teh same script |
| 04:22.12 | nima | thanks, tuv |
| 04:22.13 | tuv | chino[dev], ever heard of modularity? |
| 04:22.16 | k-man | ill try xfs i think |
| 04:22.18 | k-man | for a while |
| 04:22.36 | k-man | its just for a drive where i store some backups until i burn them off onto a dvd |
| 04:22.43 | chino[dev] | every heard of simplicity ? |
| 04:22.50 | a1fa|64 | same fucking error |
| 04:23.01 | a1fa|64 | :sys/dev/hda waiting to show up" |
| 04:23.06 | a1fa|64 | it keeps repeating |
| 04:23.06 | chino[dev] | dude i have 96mb of ram on this box and 91 are in use right now and im not even running one server.... wtf is going on ? |
| 04:23.27 | SoloFlyer | run free |
| 04:23.32 | chino[dev] | thats what i di d |
| 04:23.34 | tuv | chino[dev], modularity serves simplicity. if it were a single file, you will spend more time looking for the bit causing you problems |
| 04:23.45 | a1fa|64 | SoloFlyer: its telling me waiting for /sys/dev/hda to show up? |
| 04:23.54 | SoloFlyer | you see -/+ buffers/cache: |
| 04:24.03 | SoloFlyer | look at that one |
| 04:24.22 | chino[dev] | 47 scripts i dont know what i can turn off or cant |
| 04:24.25 | tuv | chino[dev], linux kernel tries always to utilize the ram. it will adapt to it no matter how many processes are running to get the most performance |
| 04:24.33 | chino[dev] | SoloFlyer: yea waht does that line mean ? |
| 04:24.47 | a1fa|64 | tuv: i rebuilt my initrd, but it still wont boot.. same problem.. /sys/dev/hda waiting to show up |
| 04:24.54 | SoloFlyer | thats how much memeory is being used by programs etc |
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| 04:25.18 | SoloFlyer | chino[dev]: the other line is how much is being used by programs etc and by cache etc |
| 04:25.25 | chino[dev] | huh ? |
| 04:25.27 | tuv | a1fa|64, are you building the new initrd with the same conf. you used to build the original problematic one? |
| 04:25.38 | a1fa|64 | no |
| 04:25.49 | a1fa|64 | i built two different initrd |
| 04:25.55 | a1fa|64 | one for 2.6.17 with my chipset |
| 04:25.58 | SoloFlyer | chino[dev]: but the kernel will automatically use all the avaiable free memory for caching so that number is usualy irrelivant |
| 04:26.00 | a1fa|64 | and one debian default |
| 04:26.05 | a1fa|64 | it fails on both now |
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| 04:26.12 | chino[dev] | http://pastie.caboo.se/7628 |
| 04:26.26 | clarity_ | hey, what kernel does the testing beta 2 installer use? |
| 04:26.29 | a1fa|64 | it says Waiting for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up |
| 04:26.33 | tuv | a1fa|64, can't you use the original conf. files shipped with yaird/initramfs-tools? they should get you going |
| 04:26.39 | chino[dev] | so your telling me the kernel is leaving 4 free and caching the rest ? |
| 04:26.58 | tuv | clarity_, i think it's 2.6.12 |
| 04:27.01 | a1fa|64 | tuv: i did.. it doenst wort |
| 04:27.08 | chino[dev] | i dont understand |
| 04:27.08 | SoloFlyer | chino[dev]: u have 56mb free and the kernel is using 52mb for cache and buffers |
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| 04:27.16 | clarity_ | hrm. is there an installer with 2.6.15+ |
| 04:27.28 | chino[dev] | so cache's and buffers are used by my apps ? |
| 04:27.41 | tuv | clarity_, you can always upgrade after the install |
| 04:27.42 | clarity_ | there's a good chance the 2.6.12 might crash my system |
| 04:27.52 | SoloFlyer | but if that space is need by programs etc then the kernel will use less space for cahcing to allow the programs the space |
| 04:27.56 | clarity_ | well usually what happens is it won't boot |
| 04:28.18 | tuv | clarity_, there is a 2.4 kernel in the installer as well, you might want to use it to complete the install and then upgrade |
| 04:28.19 | DanStaMan | how to i change the prirortiy for RC scripts? |
| 04:28.40 | tralala | clarity_: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 04:29.03 | SoloFlyer | chino[dev]: -/+ buffers/cache is how much space is being used minus the space used by buffers/cache |
| 04:29.12 | clarity_ | also has anyone got the suspend/resume stuff to work on debian? |
| 04:29.49 | liable | clarity_: yes, the hibernate package supplies a good way to get around problem modules and services. |
| 04:29.50 | chino[dev] | oh |
| 04:29.54 | tuv | a1fa|64, i suggest you chroot then purge yaird/initramfs-tools and reinstall it again and have another try |
| 04:29.59 | chino[dev] | so buffers cache is the real line i shoudl ook at ? |
| 04:30.15 | SoloFlyer | chino[dev]: yes |
| 04:30.24 | chino[dev] | but you said 52 why ? |
| 04:30.31 | chino[dev] | did you minus the 4 from the 56 ? |
| 04:30.41 | SoloFlyer | chino[dev]: yes |
| 04:30.42 | clarity_ | does vm's in xen allow direct access to the drivers? IE: can I do packet injection on my wifi card through a vm? |
| 04:30.45 | chino[dev] | why ? |
| 04:30.50 | tuv | a1fa|64, and then i'd purge the kernel and reinstall it too |
| 04:30.52 | chino[dev] | i think i know why |
| 04:31.02 | chino[dev] | wouldn't you add it ? |
| 04:31.10 | chino[dev] | since its 56 free + 4 free |
| 04:32.06 | SoloFlyer | really you have 51mb free as you add the buffers(15) and cached (36) |
| 04:33.08 | SoloFlyer | plus the 4mb that is completely unused 55 |
| 04:33.30 | SoloFlyer | if you listed it in bytes it would work out closer |
| 04:33.36 | SoloFlyer | anyway im gone... lunch |
| 04:33.38 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 04:33.42 | Master_Medic | how do i add a second monitor? |
| 04:33.47 | a1fa|64 | tuv: crap |
| 04:33.55 | Master_Medic | in xorg.conf i only see my old monitor |
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| 04:34.00 | Master_Medic | and my newmonitor isnt in there at all |
| 04:34.01 | a1fa|64 | i dont know why would it give me shit |
| 04:34.04 | tuv | a1fa|64, sure |
| 04:34.04 | a1fa|64 | if i removed all my entries |
| 04:34.13 | dogmeat | folks, how can i tell what controller card, and harddrive types i have installed in my system? |
| 04:34.17 | a1fa|64 | and rebuilt it |
| 04:34.49 | tuv | a1fa|64, were you ever able to boot? |
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| 04:36.28 | semart | somebody please say a word that is related to "to jam", "to distort". i think i know it but it doesn't come to my mind, although i feel it's a popular word. |
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| 04:38.00 | tuv | a1fa|64, how was your last good initrd created, if any? |
| 04:42.20 | chino[dev] | how do i get jdk ? |
| 04:42.46 | tuv | chino[dev], stable or testing/unstable? |
| 04:42.56 | chino[dev] | i mean what is the name of the package |
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| 04:43.25 | semart | anybody speaking good english here? |
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| 04:43.43 | tuv | chino[dev], i know what you mean. there is an easier way for installing sun's jdk on testing/unstable. but the generic way is install java-package and read its readme |
| 04:44.40 | tuv | chino[dev], if you have unstable sources, install sun-java5-jdk |
| 04:45.11 | a1fa|64 | ok still not working |
| 04:45.15 | a1fa|64 | seriously what a fuck |
| 04:45.25 | a1fa|64 | /sys/block/hda/dev: No such file or directory |
| 04:45.39 | a1fa|64 | i rebuilt dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.17-1-k7 |
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| 04:45.46 | a1fa|64 | i removed everything from yaird config |
| 04:45.49 | a1fa|64 | and it still gives me this crap |
| 04:45.53 | a1fa|64 | ok this is unbelievable |
| 04:48.31 | a1fa|64 | chroot and everything |
| 04:50.28 | chino[dev] | tuv: i dont have that in my lsit |
| 04:50.29 | chino[dev] | lis t |
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| 04:50.54 | chino[dev] | hm i think i have it alrleady |
| 04:51.03 | a1fa|64 | tuv |
| 04:51.05 | a1fa|64 | i chrooted |
| 04:51.15 | a1fa|64 | and i used clean yaird conf |
| 04:51.21 | a1fa|64 | and i still get this fucking crazy error |
| 04:51.57 | a1fa|64 | bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/dev: No such file or directory |
| 04:51.57 | a1fa|64 | Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up |
| 04:52.15 | tuv | chino[dev], what distribution are you running (stable, testing, unstable)? do you have "contrib non-free" on your sources.list? |
| 04:52.35 | chino[dev] | im running stable i think it was installed by the poeple im renting hte vps from |
| 04:52.42 | chino[dev] | idk i never edited teh list yet |
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| 04:55.59 | tuv | a1fa|64, i'm not sure if i can be of futher help, but i suggest you try initramfs-tools instead of yaird |
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| 04:57.34 | tuv | chino[dev], stable: use java-package. it's in contrib, that's probably why you didn't see it in your list |
| 04:57.34 | chino[dev] | idk my server works so i gues i have suitable java allready |
| 04:58.19 | chino[dev] | does the default setup of mysql come with network support ? |
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| 05:03.02 | dogmeat | how can i determine what types of harddrives are installed in my system? |
| 05:03.14 | chino[dev] | open up the computer |
| 05:03.39 | dogmeat | no from the command line, the server is far away |
| 05:04.02 | dabreegster | lshw and the stuff it uses are rather nice |
| 05:04.08 | dogmeat | thanks |
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| 05:05.08 | SpeedyG | holy jezus.. I just felt this hole flat shake :/ |
| 05:05.13 | chino[dev] | um |
| 05:05.23 | chino[dev] | im looking in my mysql table and i have a line like this |
| 05:05.33 | dogmeat | lshw doesn't show the harddrive types |
| 05:05.36 | chino[dev] | localhost | debian-sys-maint | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 05:05.37 | chino[dev] | wtf is that ? |
| 05:05.50 | dabreegster | dogmeat: Oh. Did you try the verbose option, if there is one? |
| 05:06.19 | chino[dev] | and another one with debian as the host root as the user and no password... |
| 05:06.34 | chino[dev] | wtf host is debian ? |
| 05:06.42 | SpeedyG | dogmeat: you can 'cat /proc/ide/ideX/hdX/model' for each disk :) |
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| 05:07.08 | a1fa|64 | ok |
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| 05:07.15 | a1fa|64 | what driver provides access to /sys? |
| 05:09.18 | chino[dev] | what is this debian-sys-maint all about ? |
| 05:10.20 | a1fa|64 | OMFG |
| 05:10.24 | a1fa|64 | still nothing |
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| 05:12.48 | a1fa|64 | bullshitttttttttt |
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| 05:13.34 | tuv | a1fa|64, do you mount /boot when you chroot? |
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| 05:28.58 | stew | a1fa|64: if your /sys isn't populated try "mount /sys" you will proabably also want "mount /proc" |
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| 05:36.49 | mandingo | anyone recall what port the CUPS web interface is on? |
| 05:37.26 | roxy_ | 631 |
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| 05:37.30 | mandingo | gracias! |
| 05:37.44 | roxy_ | np |
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| 05:38.58 | torham | If I have a athlon64 x2 processor what is the best kernel to use if I want to stay completely 32-bit? |
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| 05:42.11 | torham | some are saying k7-smp and some say 686-smp... |
| 05:42.48 | stew | torham: why wouldn't you run a k8 kernel? |
| 05:42.58 | sep | torham, k7-smp |
| 05:43.03 | sep | !k7 |
| 05:43.03 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 05:43.14 | torham | stew: problems with 32-bit only programs, like openoffice |
| 05:43.37 | stew | torham: you can still run a k8 kernel with a 32 bit userspace |
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| 05:43.57 | torham | stew: yeah but it looks like a hassle...not sure if I have the time for it now |
| 05:44.41 | stew | torham: its no more of a hassle to install a k8 kernel than it is to install a k7 kernel |
| 05:45.50 | torham | well I guess if you have a k8 kernel and a pure 32bit userland then nvidia drivers and iptables have problems |
| 05:46.39 | torham | and if you only use the 32libs then there are some issues as well...and using a chroot sounds like a pain |
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| 05:47.31 | torham | stew: so I haven't actually tried it myself, have you? |
| 05:47.35 | stew | yes |
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| 05:48.22 | Sanay | Hi all |
| 05:48.31 | Sanay | I needed some information |
| 05:48.37 | torham | plus then I will have to reinstall |
| 05:48.46 | Sanay | I can't access a particular site using my proxy |
| 05:48.48 | stew | torham: why would you have to reinstall? |
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| 05:49.42 | torham | stew: http://haydn.debian.org/~intero-guest/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272799 |
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| 05:51.17 | enouf | stew: i'm impressed at your stamina - have you really been here for 13/14 hrs already? - or did you atleast take small breaks for yourself ? (I hope so) ...I mean 12 hr ago you were going to town handling 3 or 4 queries at a time |
| 05:52.31 | enouf | Sanay: what site ? can you ping it ? what avbout traceroute? |
| 05:52.40 | stew | enouf: sure, i've taken several breaks. made a couple of meals, gotten exercise, slept some |
| 05:52.51 | enouf | Sanay: 1 site ? or many sites? |
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| 05:53.09 | enouf | stew: whew ...cool -- good for you |
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| 05:54.02 | streuner | hehe |
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| 05:54.33 | keram | is there a easy way to install a new monitor with xorg? |
| 05:54.37 | keram | so that it works and is configured right |
| 05:54.40 | streuner | in german there is a nice word for this 'schleimen' |
| 05:54.42 | keram | is there some wizard or something? |
| 05:54.52 | keram | i'm ruing xfce4 |
| 05:55.03 | stew | torham: that is saying that you won't be able to move to 64 bit from a 32 bit userland. it won't matter which kerenl you are running |
| 05:55.16 | enouf | keram: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 05:55.49 | keram | <3 |
| 05:56.43 | enouf | keram: is that a Nose? or a heart meaning thanks i <3 you ? :-) |
| 05:57.02 | torham | stew: naw it says you cant go from 32 to 64 bit, but I dont think a 64bit kernel w/ 32bit userland is an option due to iptables not working |
| 05:57.22 | keram | is drxx the actual command? |
| 05:57.30 | enouf | keram: no |
| 05:57.37 | sep | !tell keram about msgdpkg |
| 05:57.37 | Eclipser | <sigafoo> i realized i loved my girlfriend when i said to her "<3" and she said "<3.14159265" back... |
| 05:57.43 | enouf | !tell keram -about drxx |
| 05:57.50 | torham | stew: and if the nvidia drivers dont work I wont be able to play xmoto :) |
| 05:58.28 | enouf | Eclisper: what kind of Pie :-p |
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| 05:58.48 | Eclipser | pie? where? |
| 05:58.58 | enouf | Eclisper: alamode? |
| 05:59.08 | Eclipser | ?? |
| 05:59.21 | Eclipser | try typing my name correctly first :< |
| 05:59.40 | SpeedyG | ec<tab> ;) |
| 05:59.41 | enouf | Eclisper: nevermind -- I'm drunk and real mellow -- no prob |
| 05:59.59 | SpeedyG | enouf: I guess mathberry pie ;) |
| 05:59.59 | enouf | Eclipser: doh sorry :-) |
| 06:00.07 | stew | torham: dunno. iptables works fine for me |
| 06:00.10 | streuner | enouf: go to sleep |
| 06:00.52 | enouf | SpeedyG: arithma-lemon-mereingue ? |
| 06:00.56 | torham | stew: and you are a pure 32bit userland? this FAQ could be out of date... |
| 06:01.06 | chino[dev] | how do i add a source ? |
| 06:01.15 | streuner | chino[dev]: man sources.list |
| 06:01.16 | torham | stew: what about the nvidia binary drivers? |
| 06:01.16 | stew | torham: i don't know anything about non-free graphics drivers though |
| 06:01.29 | enouf | streuner: I'm being nice and calm -- thanks though _-I will soon enough |
| 06:01.34 | streuner | chino[dev]: but keep in mind, other sources could be damage your system |
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| 06:02.34 | enouf | SpeedyG: Ok -- I've deciphered it - it means a 'circular' relationship :-p |
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| 06:02.54 | SpeedyG | wtf :/ |
| 06:02.55 | streuner | chino[dev]: means, other than official |
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| 06:04.50 | Eclipser | enouf, ITG - Mellow <3 |
| 06:05.29 | enouf | Eclipser: smooth /:-) |
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| 06:06.10 | torham | stew: So is there a way to tell apt-get to grab the k8 kernel from a i386 arch install? Sounds like I could try it out without spending too much time. |
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| 06:07.40 | stew | torham: oh, hmm i'm running an etch kernel, however, which might explain why iptables is workign for me |
| 06:07.53 | stew | which means i could not compile a 3rd party driver for it no matter what |
| 06:08.03 | stew | (well i could in a chroot i guess) |
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| 06:09.01 | stew | torham: yeah, you should probably ignore this setup |
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| 06:14.22 | keram | hello |
| 06:14.30 | keram | the instructions arent working |
| 06:14.45 | keram | for xorgxmd5 |
| 06:15.17 | keram | it still says xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 06:15.53 | pinky | How can I mark a package for reinstallation, configuration files and all? |
| 06:16.03 | enouf | keram: that is such a common error, and i still don't know if there's a one-stop-shopping fix for that |
| 06:16.09 | pinky | I mean kind of like a purge, but in one step (the removing and reinstalling)? |
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| 06:16.46 | keram | :/ |
| 06:16.58 | stew | pinky: dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 06:17.25 | chino[dev] | dude why just because some app has unmet dependencies does my apt-get have to not listen to what im telling it to do |
| 06:17.47 | pinky | stew: Okay, so in this example, any packages that depend on xserver-xorg will be untouched while this process takes place? |
| 06:17.54 | stew | pinky: correct |
| 06:17.54 | keram | i have xserver-xorg not xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:17.59 | streuner | chino[dev]: show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 06:18.00 | enouf | keram: yeah - i know -- I guess patsebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log | tail |
| 06:18.15 | stew | chino[dev]: why not satisfy the unmet dependencies? |
| 06:18.40 | chino[dev] | idk but does it matter ? |
| 06:18.57 | chino[dev] | im trying to install the dependency and it keeps stopping me because it wnats to tell me that im missing the same dependency |
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| 06:18.58 | chino[dev] | like wtf |
| 06:19.01 | keram | umm |
| 06:19.22 | stew | chino[dev]: show us the acutal command you are running and the actual output, use a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 06:19.26 | pinky | stew: Sweet, thanks that worked |
| 06:19.34 | stew | chino[dev]: or even better, get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
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| 06:20.22 | chino[dev] | how do i check unmet dependencies of a deb without installing it ? |
| 06:20.30 | SpeedyG | anyone here who can tell me how I can get those nifty apps on the bottom right of this image? http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?themes/contrib/aki_kharisma.jpg |
| 06:20.37 | SpeedyG | eum, bottom left |
| 06:20.50 | pinky | Does anyone know what permissions /usr/bin/cdrecord, /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap, and /usr/bin/cdrecord.shm need to be in order for K3b to run as a non-root user okay? |
| 06:20.51 | enouf | keram: I recall font linking issues, usr/local/X11/fonts? needing to be linked to ??? (somebody chime in please) - and also, the md5sum issue...hmmm - di you remember to keep the blank space and the '-' at the very end of the command ?? I know its a very long one-liner |
| 06:20.54 | jes-o-mat | chino[dev]: dpkg -I file.deb should list all dependencies |
| 06:21.06 | stew | chino[dev]: you can use the -s parameter of apt-get |
| 06:21.09 | enouf | di= did |
| 06:21.34 | streuner | chino[dev]: or apt-cache show <package> | grep -i depends |
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| 06:21.52 | keram | hey |
| 06:21.54 | keram | sorry |
| 06:22.04 | enouf | he signed of??? wtf is that ?? -- oh ok ;-) |
| 06:22.04 | keram | you want the output of what again? |
| 06:22.12 | enouf | look up |
| 06:22.16 | streuner | chino[dev]: if its etch or sid you haven't a gurantee anyway, as long as you tried to install that |
| 06:22.22 | keram | i accidentally restarted x heh |
| 06:22.34 | enouf | but read my next comments to you about md5sums |
| 06:22.35 | streuner | s/tried/didn't try/ |
| 06:22.47 | chino[dev] | im looking more for 'dpkg -l file.deb' |
| 06:22.50 | chino[dev] | that was a lower case l right ? |
| 06:22.52 | chino[dev] | L |
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| 06:23.15 | enouf | beer refill ..brb ;-) |
| 06:23.26 | streuner | -l (lower case) just show you is the package installed or not |
| 06:23.49 | chino[dev] | man i thought ther was a binary prepackaged group of exes for free nx on debian ? |
| 06:24.00 | chino[dev] | i downloaded these made for knonatix or whatever its called |
| 06:24.04 | chino[dev] | they claim to work with debian too |
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| 06:24.15 | Master_Medic | gah |
| 06:24.17 | Master_Medic | damn internet |
| 06:24.26 | streuner | !kanotix |
| 06:24.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 06:24.31 | chino[dev] | this page refrered me there http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php |
| 06:24.38 | chino[dev] | dude i know its not debian dont give me one of those talks |
| 06:24.39 | stew | chino[dev]: you really shouldn't mix packages from other distros with your debian install |
| 06:24.52 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 06:24.52 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 06:24.53 | chino[dev] | so is there a debian freenx setup anywhere / |
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| 06:25.04 | streuner | chino[dev]: we told you |
| 06:25.09 | chino[dev] | i know all this allready dont give me a pep talk |
| 06:25.14 | enouf | keram: Oh ...here pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:25.16 | streuner | chino[dev]: #kanotix |
| 06:25.25 | chino[dev] | i just want a dam nx that works i compiled teh whoel thing my self on slackware and the dam nxviewer never worked right |
| 06:25.26 | enouf | keram: I recall font linking issues, usr/local/X11/fonts? needing to be linked to ??? (somebody chime in please) - and also, the md5sum issue...hmmm - di you remember to keep the blank space and the '-' at the very end of the command ?? I know its a very long one-liner |
| 06:25.35 | pinky | Does anyone know what permissions /usr/bin/cdrecord, /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap, and /usr/bin/cdrecord.shm need to be in order for K3b to run as a non-root user okay? K3bsetup seems to fail everytime it tries to handle this process automatically (perhaps a Debian-specific problem?). |
| 06:25.48 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: it may not be packaged; if you're interested, you may have to compile it yourself. Starting from the source to those freenx packages may be a good start. |
| 06:25.50 | enouf | di = do* |
| 06:26.06 | enouf | No ...di = did** |
| 06:26.36 | dondelelcaro | pinky: they should be 0655; you can use sudo to run them if necessary, but k3b should have the instructions on how to do it. |
| 06:26.36 | streuner | some maintainer packaged it, and it works fine in sarge, that was some months ago |
| 06:26.52 | chino[dev] | i've compiled the whoel dam thing and ended up with a half working server |
| 06:26.57 | enouf | pinky: I have it too on Sid 2.6.16-2-686 -- but I cam still burn ;-) |
| 06:27.10 | streuner | but, IIRC, it was older... |
| 06:27.12 | dondelelcaro | s/06/07/ |
| 06:27.59 | stew | chino[dev]: if you get us the information in "/msg dpkg bat" we'd be better equipped to help you fix your system |
| 06:28.00 | enouf | dondelelcaro : k3b setup seems to fall over when attempting -- every time the app is opened it wants you to correct this permissions thing for cdrdao, by going theough k3bSetup |
| 06:28.00 | pinky | enouf: Well, everytime I run K3b is warns me that cdrecord and cdrdao will be run without root privs, and to run k3bsetup to fix it, but it fails every time. |
| 06:28.07 | chino[dev] | what information |
| 06:28.17 | stew | dpkg: tell chino[dev] about bat |
| 06:28.24 | chino[dev] | forget you guys turn me off so much with pep talks i dont want to install the dam server from knoatix |
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| 06:28.37 | chino[dev] | maybe ill just try to compile it on debian and end up in the same place as i was in in slackware |
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| 06:29.12 | chino[dev] | i just want a professionally packaged package of freenx |
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| 06:29.46 | enouf | pinky: Mine doesn't -- same situation - but misens' ONLY a warning about "cdrdao" ..Ok do you have your username listed in /etc/group ?? alongside "cdrom and "audio" ?"" |
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| 06:29.57 | JohnQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.08 | chino[dev] | if you have a penguim when it starts up |
| 06:30.10 | Master_Medic | UGH |
| 06:30.15 | Master_Medic | how do i get around this error |
| 06:30.20 | chino[dev] | if the console doen't fit the whoel screen |
| 06:30.26 | stew | chino[dev]: which version of debian are you running? |
| 06:30.30 | Master_Medic | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 06:30.32 | chino[dev] | sarge |
| 06:30.42 | dondelelcaro | Master_Medic: that's just a warning. |
| 06:30.46 | pinky | enouf: Yeah, I'm in cdrom and audio, but whenever I run k3b it gives me erros about cdrdao and cdrecord, and there are no options to burn DVDs. |
| 06:30.47 | JohnQ | sarge |
| 06:30.56 | Master_Medic | mhmm? |
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| 06:31.04 | pinky | Which is really all I burn, so I end up having to run K3b as root all the time, which sucks. |
| 06:31.09 | enouf | pinky:Oh ..you need dvdrw+tools |
| 06:31.13 | chino[dev] | maybe i shoudl just compile my face off again |
| 06:31.17 | enouf | is that the name ?? |
| 06:31.25 | landser | Can someone help a jew hating pure aryan get a socks proxy? |
| 06:31.28 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it's dvd+rw-tools, but yes. |
| 06:31.29 | landser | my blood is pure |
| 06:31.32 | stew | chino[dev]: then your best bet would be to recompile the packages you have found on your system, which i can walk you through after we get your current dependency problems solved |
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| 06:31.35 | pinky | enouf: I can burn DVDs fine, but not as a normal username |
| 06:31.49 | chino[dev] | stew: wtf are you talking about ? |
| 06:31.57 | JohnQ | I have a "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R200 QL [Radeon 8500 LE]" and I am trying to get some video mode which works on the svideo out.. both in the console and in X. .. anyone have any experience in this? |
| 06:31.57 | SpeedyG | to keep my system nicely ordened.. what is the best place to tar -x a program that I wanna install |
| 06:31.59 | enouf | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:32.02 | chino[dev] | i haven't "found" anything on my system |
| 06:32.14 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: better to not install it at all, and use the debian package of the same if it exists. |
| 06:32.22 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: otherwise, use alien to turn it into a deb package. |
| 06:32.30 | streuner | SpeedyG: not as root in /tmp |
| 06:32.34 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: it's only as a .tar.gz available |
| 06:32.48 | streuner | be careful with packages from ATI |
| 06:32.52 | pinky | Plus, I have dvd+rw-tools installed already |
| 06:32.53 | dondelelcaro | SpeedyG: then the best bet is to turn it into a deb package. |
| 06:33.04 | JohnQ | not using any ATI packages actually. |
| 06:33.05 | streuner | it changes the permissions in /tmp and makes your system not bootable |
| 06:33.07 | enouf | pinky...Oh ?? hmm.. I don't know and haven't found a solution yet -- to be honest I haven't burned DVDs yet, but CDR, no problem |
| 06:33.11 | stew | chino[dev]: i was trying to help you fix your system. is that not what you want? |
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| 06:33.24 | chino[dev] | nothing is wrong with it |
| 06:33.32 | enouf | pinky: I do have many of the choices for burning DVDs though |
| 06:33.54 | enouf | pinky: are you on Sid? which kernel ? |
| 06:33.57 | SpeedyG | streuner: and if I want to make it available to all users, where then? |
| 06:34.00 | tuv | SpeedyG, consider checkinstall, or stow |
| 06:34.27 | pinky | enouf: I'm just not sure why it warns me about cdrecord and cdrdao every time I launch K3b as a non-root user... what perms should those executables be? Should they be owned by the cdrom group or something? |
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| 06:34.32 | streuner | SpeedyG: what kind of file is that? |
| 06:34.38 | pinky | I'm running testing branch with the stock Etch kernel |
| 06:35.02 | streuner | SpeedyG: read that in any case (/msg dpkg permissions) |
| 06:35.13 | SpeedyG | ok, will do :) |
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| 06:35.38 | tuv | pinky, k3b offers to fix permissions for you so that regular users can burn, basically is suid's the burning programs |
| 06:36.03 | enouf | pinky : dunno ?? I'm confused about it myself and tried working through it here last night a bit, but no success so far -- perhaps something to do with 'udev' and hal and dbus .. are you on Xorg ??? and 'dpkg -l hal' (do the same for dbus and udev)' |
| 06:36.51 | pinky | enouf: I've got X.Org 7.0, and tuv: If you're talking about k3bsetup, that fails and gives the error "Failed to udpdate all permissions" |
| 06:36.59 | tuv | SpeedyG, what i do is tar in some subdir. of my home, then use checkinstall to create a deb out of it (checkinstall creates a deb out of what's supposed to get installed when you do make install) |
| 06:37.25 | enouf | pinky: I've tried (through the k3bSetup GUI) ticking "Use this Group :: Cdrom |
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| 06:37.31 | pinky | tuv: Can I change the perms of the binaries manually? Because k3bsetup fails every time. |
| 06:37.43 | enouf | but no matter ticked or unticked ...no diff :-( |
| 06:37.45 | tuv | pinky, then you can just do it yourself. if your problem is that regular users can't burn then suid-root the burning program |
| 06:38.00 | enouf | pinky: same here! |
| 06:38.12 | enouf | pinky: but with cdrdao only |
| 06:38.21 | tuv | pinky, absolutely. as root, do chmod u+s /usr/bin/<program-name> |
| 06:38.25 | pinky | tuv: Okay, I'm not sure what you mean by suid-root... what group should own the binaries? |
| 06:38.30 | JohnQ | For some reason, my console is in a "nice" font when it starts up... but if I start X and then quit back out my console is very strange... very wide and short.. any way to reset it back to the default? |
| 06:38.34 | pinky | OKay |
| 06:39.17 | enouf | pinky: sudi = set userid |
| 06:39.22 | enouf | i think |
| 06:39.35 | enouf | doh suid = set user id |
| 06:39.40 | tuv | SpeedyG, don't use debian's checkinstall though, it's buggy. get it off its upstream website. there is a deb there |
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| 06:40.39 | pinky | tuv: Oh shit! It worked!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH |
| 06:40.44 | tuv | u+s sets the sticky bit so that the program is always run as if its owner user is running it |
| 06:40.50 | tuv | pinky, np |
| 06:41.01 | Cooner750 | is there any caller ID software for Linux? That is capable of displaying caller ID info from a caller-id compatible modem? |
| 06:41.38 | enouf | tuv __ I <3 you ^__^ |
| 06:41.47 | pinky | tuv: I see, that makes sense... that's what "rws" refers to when I ls -l? |
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| 06:42.00 | enouf | tuv: Fixed here too ... |
| 06:42.02 | pinky | s means it's run as whoever owns the binary? |
| 06:42.46 | enouf | tuv: ahhh ...the sticky bit :-p |
| 06:43.31 | tuv | pinky, yes |
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| 06:44.14 | tuv | enouf, i'm glad |
| 06:44.47 | mandingo | any decent mp3 players besides xmms? |
| 06:44.56 | streuner | mpg321? |
| 06:44.59 | enouf | tuv: Thanks - I spent some hours on it prior and couldn't come up with anything except perhaps a 'bug' |
| 06:44.59 | pinky | tuv: ohmygosh thank you again, this is working great! |
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| 06:45.01 | dondelelcaro | mandingo: cplay, mpg321, etc. |
| 06:45.07 | pinky | enouf: Me too! |
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| 06:45.21 | dondelelcaro | pretty much anything that plays mp3s nowadays uses libmad anyway |
| 06:45.26 | pinky | k3bsetup sure did a pretty awful job... that was really simple to do on the terminal |
| 06:45.39 | tuv | pinky, enouf: don't do this frequently though unless you really need it.. it's dangerous and can be a source of vulnerabilities (suid-root) |
| 06:45.58 | dondelelcaro | yes, setting cdrecord setuid root is an insane thing to do |
| 06:46.03 | Master_Medic | i'm not getting any luck with editing the md5sum files |
| 06:46.12 | dondelelcaro | it's definetly not audited to be run that way |
| 06:46.22 | tuv | mandingo, mplayer is the best :) |
| 06:46.36 | streuner | well, tarzeau had a similar problem (k3b run as 'user') |
| 06:46.55 | streuner | TARZEAU: ping |
| 06:47.04 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 06:47.04 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:47.22 | streuner | TARZEAU: How did you solve the problem with k3b run as user? |
| 06:47.26 | Simjazz | hello is there anyone to help me |
| 06:47.27 | TARZEAU | use k3setup to allow group members of it to write |
| 06:47.36 | TARZEAU | streuner: the suck is you must do this manually |
| 06:47.46 | TARZEAU | streuner: i found no way to write that stupid random string info automatically |
| 06:47.46 | streuner | manually? |
| 06:47.50 | TARZEAU | streuner: k3b is braindead crap |
| 06:48.01 | TARZEAU | streuner: exactly manually start it on 100 or so computers to set this fucking setting |
| 06:48.11 | TARZEAU | streuner: because KDE people are BRAIN DEAD |
| 06:48.15 | streuner | what fun :-) |
| 06:48.17 | tuv | TARZEAU, no competition though :( |
| 06:48.21 | TARZEAU | PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT |
| 06:48.37 | mandingo | ack, where do I find which package a file came from again? |
| 06:48.39 | TARZEAU | tuv: yes there's others but they don't even work, best is command line |
| 06:48.45 | mandingo | dpkg --search? |
| 06:48.46 | TARZEAU | madclicker: dpkg -L /full/path |
| 06:48.54 | Master_Medic | i did md5sum /etc/X11/<all files> > /var/lib/x11/<files>.md5sum |
| 06:48.56 | mandingo | thanks! |
| 06:48.57 | Master_Medic | and it still doesnt work |
| 06:49.16 | TARZEAU | !doesn't work |
| 06:49.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 06:49.28 | mandingo | hrmmm |
| 06:49.46 | Master_Medic | i still cant reconfigure xorg |
| 06:49.47 | mandingo | that's not working :( trying to figure out which package installs /usr/sbin/arp |
| 06:49.54 | Master_Medic | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:49.55 | dondelelcaro | !+find sbin/arp |
| 06:49.57 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:50.01 | Master_Medic | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 06:50.03 | mandingo | saying it's not installed, but it's there! |
| 06:50.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell mandingo -about search |
| 06:50.06 | Master_Medic | thats the msg i get at the end |
| 06:50.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/arp' (8): (/usr/sbin/arpd) in net/iproute ;; (/usr/sbin/arping) in net/arping ;; (/usr/sbin/arp) in net/net-tools ;; (/sbin/arptables) in net/arptables ;; (/usr/sbin/arpsend) in admin/vzctl ;; (/usr/sbin/arpspoof) in net/dsniff ;; (/usr/sbin/arpforge) in net/aircrack ;; (/usr/sbin/{arp2ethers|arpfetch|arpsnmp|...}) in admin/arpwatch. |
| 06:50.27 | mandingo | thanks, I know about apt-cache search :) |
| 06:50.39 | pinky | TARZEAU: I'm *extremely* frustrated with the crappiness of k3bsetup (although pleased with k3b's performance in general thus far... just have to run it as root) and I just fixed my problem by making all the cdrecord and cdrdao binaries suid-root so I can FINALLY run K3b as a normal user. |
| 06:50.40 | mandingo | awesome, thank you! |
| 06:50.46 | cydork | Master_Medic, if i remember corrected correctly there is some bug. |
| 06:50.53 | dondelelcaro | mandingo: but you don't know about what I just did, or about packages.debian.org, or you wouldn't have asked... read the rest of what dpkg told you carefully. |
| 06:51.01 | JohnQ | is xorg available in sarge? I cant seem to fint the package for it |
| 06:51.03 | pinky | TARZEAU: Is that bad I did that to my cdrecord and cdrdao binaries to make it work like that? Should I have done something else/ |
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| 06:51.06 | TARZEAU | pinky: OUCH |
| 06:51.09 | dondelelcaro | JohnQ: no, it's not... |
| 06:51.10 | TARZEAU | pinky: don't make them setuid |
| 06:51.13 | streuner | JohnQ: /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:51.29 | Master_Medic | cydork, you know how to get around it? |
| 06:51.33 | TARZEAU | pinky: yes that's especially bad if you have other users on that machine |
| 06:51.41 | pinky | TARZEAU: Well, that's the only thing that's made K3b not bitch about those binaries not having root privs everytime I start the damn thing as a normal user. |
| 06:51.41 | streuner | JohnQ: and read instructions on the website there, its not official, but a DD made it |
| 06:51.52 | pinky | It's just me. |
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| 06:52.11 | JohnQ | Dang. alright... looks like I need to force xfree86 to behave then. Anyone have any experience with xfree86 and the svideo port of an ati radeon? |
| 06:52.12 | pinky | k3bsetup failed every time |
| 06:52.20 | TARZEAU | pinky: no you can make it work using k3bsetup "use burning group: cdrom" |
| 06:52.36 | cydork | Master_Medic, yep here's the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375689 |
| 06:52.41 | TARZEAU | pinky: then put device+user in that group with right permission ( |
| 06:52.45 | pinky | TARZEAU: That fails for me every time with an error message |
| 06:52.45 | liable | JohnQ: i dont think its supported, i dont think the xorg drivers even support it |
| 06:52.56 | TARZEAU | pinky: which? is the user and group and permission right? |
| 06:52.59 | TARZEAU | pinky: it works here |
| 06:53.26 | TARZEAU | there's also the software "graveman" but it's broke |
| 06:53.27 | liable | JohnQ: depending on the card, fglrx may, but i am not sure. do some googling |
| 06:53.35 | streuner | JohnQ: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 06:53.56 | JohnQ | "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R200 QL [Radeon 8500 LE] (prog-if 00 [VGA])" |
| 06:54.08 | liable | no fglrx then.. |
| 06:54.11 | pinky | TARZEAU: I try and tell it to change them to "cdrom" group and it pops up an erroe saying: "Could not update all permissions" |
| 06:54.21 | TARZEAU | pinky: do it yourself |
| 06:54.30 | liable | JohnQ: i think your fucked :( |
| 06:54.31 | TARZEAU | pinky: what says ls -la /dev/cdrom ? do you have more than one optical device? |
| 06:54.35 | pinky | Okay so what should I change? I mean what perms should the binaries have? |
| 06:54.35 | TARZEAU | pinky: what says id? |
| 06:54.42 | JohnQ | This saddens me. |
| 06:54.45 | liable | JohnQ: vga out should work though |
| 06:54.52 | TARZEAU | pinky: like most binaries: -rwxr-xr-x |
| 06:54.53 | pinky | I have /dev/hda and /dev/hdb as a DVD burner and CD burner respecitvely |
| 06:54.55 | JohnQ | It does... but thats not what I need :) |
| 06:55.06 | TARZEAU | pinky: which user and group do they belong to? |
| 06:55.17 | pinky | What, hda and hdb? |
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| 06:55.40 | enouf | tuv: I got ya... Is pinky still ahving issues it seems ?? |
| 06:55.44 | pinky | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2006-08-06 16:42 /dev/hda |
| 06:55.44 | pinky | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 64 2006-08-06 16:42 /dev/hdb |
| 06:56.02 | pinky | enouf: It was working fine, but TARZEAU says it's bad to suid-root those binaries for some reason |
| 06:56.09 | tuv | enouf, no, but he is trying to avoid suid-root |
| 06:56.17 | enouf | ahhh I see |
| 06:56.33 | tuv | enouf, which is a good idea if you have other untrusted users of your system |
| 06:56.54 | TARZEAU | pinky: the reason is breakins |
| 06:57.03 | enouf | tuv: here no -- I am King of my domain -- thanks for asking though |
| 06:57.13 | TARZEAU | pinky: it has happened here at work before i was working here, like 3 years ago, and believe me re-installing 150 workstations isn't fun |
| 06:57.29 | TARZEAU | pinky: even if it's just 5 minutes per box to type in a pxe boot password and say install that box again |
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| 06:57.53 | TARZEAU | pinky: of course the boxes are not lined up one after another, but spread across a few buildings |
| 06:57.57 | pinky | TARZEAU: Okay, I'm security concious enough to not want to use this suid-root, but I don't know what I should do to make the binaries work without K3b bitching at me |
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| 06:58.33 | Akatemik | Ok, having some weird problem here. Etch install cd works fine and is able to parition etc my harddrive. But when I boot, scsi doesn't work and is unable to mount root |
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| 06:58.44 | enouf | TARZEAU: don't kow if this will help -- but this is what I Used to see before suid http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/iforone/zzzzeuieirhehhyeiy.png |
| 06:58.55 | TARZEAU | pinky: the device permissions user/group looks right |
| 06:59.07 | Akatemik | I've tried with testing kernel (2.6.16) and unstable (2.6.17) but get the same error: "scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery" |
| 06:59.24 | streuner | Akatemik: did you install another kernel? |
| 06:59.28 | pinky | TARZEAU: Yeah, k3bsetup changed those perms fine, it's the cdrecord and cdrdao binaries that are not changing |
| 06:59.42 | Akatemik | streuner: Tried debian stock kernels from testing and unstable, no work |
| 06:59.48 | streuner | Akatemik: what happens if you use the old kernel? |
| 06:59.53 | JohnQ | Is it possible to install an rpm under debian cleanly? |
| 07:00.02 | streuner | no |
| 07:00.04 | Akatemik | streuner: Hmm, from stable? |
| 07:00.10 | streuner | sure |
| 07:00.18 | Akatemik | (Old kernels from testing and unstable aren't online anymore...) |
| 07:00.18 | streuner | from the installer |
| 07:00.20 | TARZEAU | enouf: the setuid for cdrecord isn't good imho |
| 07:00.23 | pinky | JohnQ: Use alien to convert it to a .deb... it's debatable how "clean" that is |
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| 07:01.07 | pinky | enouf: That's why yours was only complaining about cdrdao and not cdrecord... your cdrecord is already suid-rooted (paste tense? hmm..) |
| 07:01.09 | JohnQ | well.. I suppose its better than installing rpm and letting it crap all over my machine :-) As long as it is uninstallable, I'll be happy. |
| 07:01.28 | Akatemik | streuner: Oh, and Knoppix works too, with 2.6.17... |
| 07:01.30 | pinky | Okay, TARZEAU, so I need to chmod these binaries back to... what, 755? |
| 07:01.37 | streuner | JohnQ: debian has more than 15.000 packages, what do you need? |
| 07:01.39 | pinky | And chgrp them to cdrom? |
| 07:01.50 | Akatemik | streuner: But I'll go and see if I can extract the kernel deb from the install cd |
| 07:01.53 | JohnQ | the ati xfree86 propritary drivers |
| 07:01.57 | enouf | TARZEAU: I understand (I guess) there's nobody else who has access to my box -- but I do understand why I/we shouldn't recommend it willy-nilly to everyone whom has this problem -- but whart's the fix ?? |
| 07:02.02 | pstickne | JohnQ, download those from ati.com |
| 07:02.02 | enouf | what's* |
| 07:02.08 | streuner | Akatemik: so you running etch? /msg dpkg bts |
| 07:02.12 | JohnQ | ya I am.. but theyre an rpm, not deb |
| 07:02.15 | pstickne | JohnQ, you don't need a package, they have their own setup and uninstall |
| 07:02.20 | TARZEAU | enouf: well that k3bsetup option helped here |
| 07:02.28 | tuv | pinky, i think you need to 1) chgrp the binaries to cdrom. 2)sgid the binaries 3) make sure your user is a member of cdrom group |
| 07:02.30 | TARZEAU | enouf: just tell it to use that group whatever, it creates a file and k3b works |
| 07:02.31 | pinky | enouf: My guess is to chmod the binaries to 755 and chgrp them to cdrom... but I'm waiting on TARZEAU's input on this siggestion |
| 07:02.31 | JohnQ | oh.. alrighty.. I'll try that first. |
| 07:02.39 | TARZEAU | enouf: don't ask me why the KDE k3b people are so braindead |
| 07:02.46 | TARZEAU | enouf: and just don't do this check manually in the code |
| 07:02.56 | pstickne | JohnQ, get 8.24.x or you'll need to read up on installing 8.27 (the libGL.so.1.2 with this version does not work, so you need to use the one from 8.24) |
| 07:03.00 | TARZEAU | enouf: really those people must be taking funny drugs |
| 07:03.08 | TARZEAU | pinky: yes do that |
| 07:03.11 | enouf | TARZEAU: ok :-( |
| 07:03.18 | pinky | Funny drugs make me code BETTER not worse |
| 07:03.20 | pstickne | JohnQ, you'll need to make sure kernel header are installed too |
| 07:03.35 | TARZEAU | enouf: but since i prefer command line and refuse to use k3b myself, i will not report it to those, well i did in #kde but they didn't care |
| 07:03.49 | TARZEAU | pinky: maybe they've taken sad drugs |
| 07:03.50 | JohnQ | pstickne, thanks! I was about 2 seconds from runninf 8.27. Any idea where to find 8.24? |
| 07:03.53 | liable | JohnQ: are you sure the ati driver supports r200? |
| 07:03.59 | JohnQ | It claims to.. |
| 07:04.00 | pinky | TARZEAU: Haha |
| 07:04.27 | liable | JohnQ: ok, i thought it was >r300, but i must be mistaken :) |
| 07:04.33 | tuv | pinky, make sure you remove the suid |
| 07:04.35 | pstickne | JohnQ, I have 8.27 (couldn't find 8.24 on ATI anymore, although I did grab it about two weeks ago) and then shoved in the libGl. |
| 07:04.40 | TARZEAU | pinky, enouf do you play nethack? |
| 07:04.56 | TARZEAU | !avisynth.dll |
| 07:04.59 | TARZEAU | !avisynth |
| 07:04.59 | dpkg | [avisynth] soon available for linux, see http://avisynth3.unite-video.com/ |
| 07:05.03 | JohnQ | pstickne: any links online of how to hotwire 8.27 into working? |
| 07:05.09 | Akatemik | streuner: Running and running, the system itself doesn't work, even if it is installed |
| 07:05.32 | TARZEAU | some has got avisynth.dll as http wgetable file? |
| 07:05.43 | enouf | TARZEAU: ouch ...and yikes! ..I really suspect and issue with a deprecated cdrecord and cdrdao (in Sid anyway) -- they weren't designed ortiginally to interact wirh dvd tools, let alone (what I think is the real issues perhaps ) usdev and dbus and hal and plugdev ...as opposed to dvevfs, scsi_mod, and all that good stuff - just my guesses |
| 07:05.47 | JohnQ | pstickne: actually, If I am not going to use 3d at all.. will this effect me? |
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| 07:05.58 | enouf | TARZEAU: Don;t know ?? :-( |
| 07:06.03 | pstickne | JohnQ, only GL. |
| 07:06.07 | enouf | I guess not then |
| 07:06.12 | pstickne | http://www.watchland.org/dmcgraw/ati-debian.html |
| 07:06.22 | pstickne | That doesn't cover libGL though. |
| 07:06.30 | TARZEAU | enouf: i stopped using optical (or any media) like 5 years ago |
| 07:06.35 | TARZEAU | enouf: really, i don't care |
| 07:06.42 | pstickne | JohnQ, so many SDL applications can work with GL though, and it goes soooo much faster :) |
| 07:06.59 | Akatemik | streuner: Yeah, I guess bts is the way. I just wondered how the install cd works... |
| 07:07.07 | pstickne | JohnQ, if you aren't using GL, maybe just use radeon from xorg (they are supposed to be really fast for 2d via EXA) |
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| 07:07.20 | JohnQ | pstickne, True... Basically I'm only going to run mythtv on this machine... although I think some of the mythmusic visualizations might use GL |
| 07:07.24 | enouf | TARZEAU: I'm really disgusted at the present state myself and have bnoycotted most every new cd (music) |
| 07:07.28 | enouf | TARZEAU: I'm really disgusted at the present state myself and have bnoycotted most every new cd (music)boycotted |
| 07:07.41 | TARZEAU | enouf: and DVD too? |
| 07:07.41 | enouf | doh...I'm friggin tired -- sorry |
| 07:07.49 | enouf | ABSOLUTELY!!! |
| 07:07.51 | TARZEAU | enouf: good night |
| 07:07.59 | streuner | Akatemik: lspci -v | grep -i scsi |
| 07:08.01 | pinky | I don't buy anything with DRM on it... so no DVD movies |
| 07:08.20 | pstickne | JohnQ, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide |
| 07:08.26 | TARZEAU | pinky: even if you did, youre not legally allowed to watch it on linux |
| 07:08.30 | pstickne | JohnQ, ignore all the Ubuntu stuff though |
| 07:08.40 | JohnQ | of course :-) Thanks |
| 07:08.45 | pstickne | JohnQ, that has a link to the working libGL |
| 07:08.48 | enouf | TARZEAU: I have no kids 'forunately or not' -- but I understand those who do ;-) (as far as Movies go, to a degree) |
| 07:09.06 | Guerin | pinky: dvds aren't drm. |
| 07:09.09 | TARZEAU | enouf: oh i do watch movies, in the cinema |
| 07:09.11 | Akatemik | streuner: What about it? |
| 07:09.28 | streuner | Akatemik: just tell us the output |
| 07:09.32 | pinky | Guerin: Try to fine a video DVD at retail WITHOUT CSS |
| 07:09.42 | enouf | TARZEAU ... Yeah -- I'll do that sure but it's the home DVDs, VCRs that keep the kids happy when younguns ;-) |
| 07:09.56 | Akatemik | streuner: Uh, ok. I'll go boot the knoppix so that it would work (the busybox in the etch install cd is very limited) |
| 07:10.02 | Guerin | they just use encryption technology for which no universally legal free software is available |
| 07:10.05 | enouf | Goodnight folks -- and THANKS .. I'm out |
| 07:10.11 | Guerin | pinky: CSS isn't drm. |
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| 07:10.24 | ivan` | real DRM is far scarier |
| 07:10.29 | Guerin | far |
| 07:10.34 | JohnQ | pstickne: Excelent. thanks. Although that page says that it is 8.24 that needs the different lib... not 8.27 |
| 07:10.54 | Guerin | it's good to take a hard line, but don't cheapen the issue by misusing terminology |
| 07:10.59 | Guerin | !rmssmite pinky |
| 07:11.21 | streuner | haha |
| 07:11.34 | streuner | that would be fun :-) |
| 07:11.40 | Guerin | i'd pay to see it |
| 07:11.41 | pinky | Guerin: Well, it wasn't intentional. What is CSS if not a type of DRM? |
| 07:11.43 | Guerin | but not to hear it |
| 07:11.57 | Guerin | pinky: it's just proprietary encryption. |
| 07:12.17 | Guerin | there are a million forms of proprietary encryption in the world, and they aren't nearly all drm. |
| 07:13.04 | pstickne | JohnQ, it's lying |
| 07:13.12 | pstickne | JohnQ, I just installed 8.27 :) |
| 07:13.15 | JohnQ | I thought it might be :-) |
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| 07:13.52 | pinky | TARZEAU: It didn't work! |
| 07:14.18 | streuner | it should happen after AMD bought ATI... |
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| 07:14.22 | Guerin | streuner: where politic? |
| 07:14.24 | pstickne | JohnQ, you'll also need the gcc compile suite installed, it will need to build parts of the modules from source |
| 07:14.25 | TARZEAU | pinky: strange, i've got 2.4.33-rc3 here and it works |
| 07:14.32 | Guerin | streuner: is that like realpolitik? |
| 07:14.48 | streuner | Guerin: reality, serveral problems with xorg |
| 07:14.54 | streuner | no matter what distro |
| 07:14.56 | JohnQ | Yep.. got that :) |
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| 07:15.04 | Guerin | not problems withxorg |
| 07:15.04 | pinky | TARZEAU: Well, take a look here: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root cdrom 565104 2006-02-19 14:18 X11/cdrdao === -rwxr-xr-x 1 root cdrom 133 2006-01-07 10:43 X11/cdrecord === -rwxr-xr-x 1 root cdrom 323540 2006-01-07 10:44 X11/cdrecord.mmap |
| 07:15.09 | Guerin | problems with ati |
| 07:15.26 | pinky | TARZEAU is that okay? |
| 07:15.35 | streuner | Guerin: that's what i meant |
| 07:15.40 | Guerin | :) |
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| 07:16.23 | pinky | TARZEAU: Also, in /etc/group, there is this line: "cdrom:x:24:pinky" is that sufficient? |
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| 07:16.33 | Akatemik | streuner: 0000:00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: BusLogic BT-946C (BA80C30) [MultiMaster 10] (rev 08) |
| 07:16.51 | tuv | pinky, i think you need to sgid: chmod g+s |
| 07:17.08 | streuner | Akatemik: did you search in BTS yet? |
| 07:17.09 | pinky | tuv: Yeah, that's the only thing that appears to work... wtf |
| 07:17.26 | tuv | pinky, that's much better than suid-root though |
| 07:17.28 | streuner | Akatemik: linux-image-2.6.16-17 |
| 07:17.32 | Akatemik | streuner: Yeah, no scsi problems with controllers, only some with cd-drives |
| 07:18.00 | Akatemik | streuner: Tried it, no good |
| 07:18.00 | streuner | Akatemik: uhm |
| 07:18.00 | pinky | tuv: Erg, okay now I'm confused. sgid and suid-root? Difference? |
| 07:18.01 | tuv | pinky, and i don't think you need the 'w' of the group, i.e. 710 permissions |
| 07:18.04 | streuner | Akatemik: so the installer fails too? |
| 07:18.12 | pinky | TARZEAU: Think you can check the perms and line from /etc/group I posted? |
| 07:18.16 | Akatemik | streuner: No, it works. And thats the weird part |
| 07:18.17 | streuner | Akatemik: but sarge installer just worked? |
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| 07:18.32 | Akatemik | Haven't tried sarge |
| 07:18.36 | tuv | pinky, suid: always run as the owner user. sgid: always run as the owner group |
| 07:18.47 | streuner | Akatemik: file a bugreport then |
| 07:18.54 | Akatemik | streuner: I will, then |
| 07:19.04 | pinky | Okay what do the "s"s stand for there? |
| 07:19.05 | tuv | pinky, running as cdrom is better than running as root. besides, if the group does not have w rights, then you're safe |
| 07:19.22 | tuv | sticky |
| 07:19.27 | pinky | tuv: Can't I just 777 the binaries dammit |
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| 07:19.37 | liable | Akatemik: did you try googling that error? |
| 07:19.38 | tuv | pinky, that's worse than suid |
| 07:19.42 | pinky | 0_o |
| 07:19.45 | Akatemik | streuner: I have been able to install the other kernels by booting knoppix and chrooting to install, then just apt-get the different images. But none work. |
| 07:19.58 | Akatemik | liable: Yeah, newest that has any resemblance was about 2.5.44... |
| 07:20.07 | liable | Akatemik: ouch |
| 07:20.16 | pinky | tuv: Okay, well this is starting to make sense now... |
| 07:20.35 | Akatemik | If it simply didn\t work, I could just give up. But Knoppix work. |
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| 07:21.13 | Akatemik | (Sorry for horrible grammar et al, this knoppix keymap gets in my way when typing fast...) |
| 07:21.30 | Piet | anyone from the security team awake? I'd like to have a short talk on the CVE registration process. |
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| 07:22.16 | petesen | anyone here using abiwords? |
| 07:22.21 | Guerin | petesen: debian-security@lists.debian.org |
| 07:22.25 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 07:22.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:22.47 | Guerin | Piet: very few people of consequence inhabit this channel. It's not even the official channel any more. |
| 07:23.05 | Guerin | Piet: see my advice re: mailing lists to Piet |
| 07:23.25 | petesen | Guerin: stfu, what do you expect? with fool like you picking on how people should ask question. |
| 07:23.27 | peterS | yay, more petes to confuse your tab keys |
| 07:23.53 | Guerin | petesen: don't be a twat. Ask a proper question. To answer yours: Yes, lots of people use abiword. |
| 07:24.01 | Guerin | !ask |
| 07:24.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:24.16 | peterS | petesen: ask your real question. you do not care if anyone uses whatever software. you asked that because you really wanted to ask a different question. |
| 07:24.16 | Shadur | petesen: Yeah, god forbid the idiots would actually grow a bloody clue and ask a useful question... |
| 07:24.44 | petesen | Guerin: i am an old-hand in chat. i know the proper way to get answer, without wasting mine or anyone else time. |
| 07:24.47 | Piet | Guerin: thanks, was just hoping to get a prompt answer and bypass the ML |
| 07:24.54 | TARZEAU | pinky: login and check what the command "id" says |
| 07:25.00 | TARZEAU | pinky: if it says cdrom, then it's good |
| 07:25.11 | peterS | petesen: wrong, you did just waste our time |
| 07:25.12 | Shadur | petesen: And yet, amazingly, you still asked the second most useless type of question possible. |
| 07:25.12 | TARZEAU | pinky: be aware if you just added yourself shortly relogin or use newgrp |
| 07:25.22 | peterS | petesen: whatever channels you think you know how to use effectively, they aren't this one. |
| 07:25.23 | Guerin | petesen: that is patently not true, since you still haven't yet gotten an answer, or even answered a question worth answering |
| 07:25.33 | petesen | peterS: stfu, i have been thro' this many times before. |
| 07:25.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:26.19 | peterS | petesen: once again: either ask your real question, or go away. if you already asked your real question, you got an answer. guerin said "yes, lots of people use abiword". |
| 07:26.20 | petesen | i know, kickban me. go fuck yourself and all your family members. |
| 07:26.22 | Shadur | Guess it's true what they say. |
| 07:26.28 | Akatemik | petesen: For an old hand you sure lean on stfu quickly... |
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| 07:26.33 | Shadur | You can lead an ass to water, but you can't make him think. |
| 07:26.41 | Guerin | wth |
| 07:26.58 | Guerin | someone has some importance issues |
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| 07:27.02 | tuv | TARZEAU, k3b insists on having the binaries suid-root, although i have them sgid cdrom |
| 07:27.05 | liable | group hug |
| 07:27.10 | petesen | mother-fucking sons-of-bitches. always end with these shitheads. |
| 07:27.19 | petesen | kick me out! |
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| 07:27.30 | TARZEAU | tuv: not so here, and don't ask me why |
| 07:27.35 | blondie | temper temper |
| 07:27.41 | cydork | he asked for it :) |
| 07:27.55 | Guerin | here's an idea |
| 07:28.03 | Guerin | maybe that's what he was going for all along |
| 07:28.07 | hjubal | hola |
| 07:28.12 | Guerin | maybe we just gave him what he wanted |
| 07:28.12 | cydork | Guerin, huh??? |
| 07:28.16 | Shadur | Pay close attention to the dramatic slamming of the door. |
| 07:28.21 | Guerin | oh, another singtard, too |
| 07:28.25 | peterS | he correctly guessed that if he made enough of an ass out of himself, something would happen to him |
| 07:28.30 | peterS | I guess he sure showed us by predicting it |
| 07:28.35 | Guerin | why are all the people from singapore feckin' eejits? |
| 07:28.54 | peterS | Guerin: you know whom to ask, right? |
| 07:28.55 | Shadur | peterS: Yeah, he sure stuck it to the Man, there. |
| 07:29.01 | Akatemik | Well, it's not like some channels can get annoying... I had my problem with Ubuntu too. Help in channel: reconfigure X. Wtf. |
| 07:29.07 | tuv | TARZEAU, excuse my question, but are you sure your binaries are not suid-root'ed? |
| 07:29.10 | Guerin | peterS: they just come out with platitudes like 'asian values' |
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| 07:29.29 | tuv | TARZEAU, and k3b is happy without suppressing its warning? |
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| 07:29.33 | peterS | speaking of whom, where is Phated? |
| 07:30.21 | tuv | TARZEAU, 'cuz it says: "cdrdao will be run without root privileges". so it won't settle until it gets root privileges |
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| 07:31.27 | tuv | TARZEAU, which makes using a group pointless !!! |
| 07:31.47 | streuner | peterS: she was usually in #d-offtopic |
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| 07:31.59 | peterS | I know |
| 07:32.35 | streuner | Guerin: there were a .sg troll lately, s(he) came usually at this time, trolled and left |
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| 07:33.08 | Guerin | by my calculations, skool just got out in singtardland |
| 07:33.34 | peterS | it's 15:30 there so it's possible |
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| 07:34.01 | blondie | school, in august? pfft |
| 07:34.15 | peterS | Supaplex: which word did he misspell, then? |
| 07:34.28 | peterS | I'm pretty sure they were both kinda intentional |
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| 07:34.42 | Guerin | blondie: why not? |
| 07:34.49 | Supaplex | could be regional, but... school. |
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| 07:35.16 | blondie | I think someone should award Supaplex five gold stars |
| 07:35.25 | blondie | Guerin: cos... |
| 07:35.30 | blondie | it's august c.c |
| 07:35.38 | Guerin | blondie: that's not school, that's geometry. |
| 07:35.58 | Guerin | are you telling me there's a geometric reason why there's no school in august? |
| 07:36.24 | TARZEAU | tuv: yes dind't i paste ls -la here? |
| 07:36.34 | TARZEAU | tuv: man we never talked cdrdao but cdrecord |
| 07:36.44 | TARZEAU | tuv: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 133 Feb 6 2006 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 07:36.50 | TARZEAU | tuv: doesn't look like setuid, does it? |
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| 07:37.25 | fyrestrtr | what option should I pass to apt-get so that when its installing a package, it installs the recommended and suggested packages as well/ |
| 07:37.33 | peterS | no sense wasting a slot on the ban list, I'm guessing he won't be back for awhile |
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| 07:37.55 | tuv | TARZEAU, it's not setgid either, nor the group is cdrom. there is no way k3b is going to accept this here |
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| 07:38.40 | rshakin | ppl is there a simple back up system smalled then amanda and afbackup |
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| 07:38.44 | TARZEAU | tuv: huh? |
| 07:38.48 | TARZEAU | tuv: of course, and yes it works |
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| 07:39.07 | Guerin | rshakin: rsnapshot |
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| 07:39.46 | tuv | TARZEAU, these are the default permissions for all binaries. if k3b accepts this, then it would never complain in any installation |
| 07:39.48 | rshakin | Guerin: i am using a tape drive will that work with it |
| 07:39.54 | JohnQ | pstickne: You rule! it seems to be working. Have you managed to get tv-out enabled when in the text mode console? Mine seems to have turned off. |
| 07:40.04 | liable | my laptop is vibrating :( |
| 07:40.04 | TARZEAU | tuv: i've used k3bsetup to make it accept it |
| 07:40.17 | peterS | liable: hit the 'talk' button |
| 07:40.18 | pstickne | JohnQ, I don't have TV-out :( |
| 07:40.19 | TARZEAU | tuv: weren't you here when we talked about that little k3bsetup option? |
| 07:40.24 | TARZEAU | tuv: got /lastlog ? |
| 07:40.27 | Guerin | rshakin: if you're using a tape drive, you don't need a backup system - you just need cron and tar |
| 07:40.34 | tuv | TARZEAU, i've enabled cdrom group too. yes i was |
| 07:40.44 | JohnQ | pstickne: ah... do you know if there are any utilities for non-X included in there at all? |
| 07:40.58 | TARZEAU | tuv: what's the problen then, now? |
| 07:41.06 | TARZEAU | tuv: you can use k3b as a user in the cdrom group? |
| 07:41.08 | pstickne | JohnQ, no I don't know. |
| 07:41.41 | tuv | TARZEAU, k3b says: "cdrdao will be run without root privileges" |
| 07:41.47 | JohnQ | pstickne: well anyway.. thanks a TON! Its working 90% now.. a lot better than the 0% when I started! :-) |
| 07:41.54 | rshakin | Guerin: yeah i just figured there would be an easy way to have inc backups done... i think i just need to read up on tar |
| 07:41.56 | tuv | -rwx--s--- 1 root cdrom 565104 2006-02-19 17:18 /usr/bin/cdrdao |
| 07:42.01 | fyrestrtr | ah, seems you can do it with aptitude, but not with apt-get ? |
| 07:42.12 | Guerin | inc backups and tar? |
| 07:42.17 | Guerin | on tape? |
| 07:42.27 | Guerin | that's some big misunderstanding of how tape works |
| 07:42.32 | liable | peterS: its the hard drive, i just set powered it down and it stopped :( |
| 07:42.37 | pstickne | JohnQ, just something to keep you busy ;) |
| 07:42.40 | tuv | TARZEAU, with your permissions there is no significance of the cdrom group at all |
| 07:42.42 | k-google | Guerin: And motorbikes ;-) |
| 07:42.48 | Guerin | vroom |
| 07:42.58 | Guerin | *crash* |
| 07:43.02 | rshakin | hehe... sorry not thiking here |
| 07:43.06 | k-google | Guerin: You get the training wheels I sent you yet? |
| 07:43.21 | liable | brand new fucking expensive stinkpad :( |
| 07:43.50 | Master_Medic | if you have a hard drive next to a monitor, and you press the degauss button will the harddrive be damaged? |
| 07:44.23 | Guerin | don't need them anyway. They took the bike off me and now wifey won't let me get another one. |
| 07:44.25 | pstickne | I'm pretty sure not. But it's not my harddrive. Or data. |
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| 07:44.42 | Master_Medic | heh thanks |
| 07:44.52 | rshakin | Master_Medic: no, unless you use a external degauser |
| 07:45.27 | Master_Medic | are you sure? |
| 07:45.41 | Master_Medic | because my drive is external |
| 07:45.48 | Master_Medic | and right under my monitor |
| 07:45.57 | liable | guess i'll have to break out old faithfull and send the bastard back |
| 07:46.18 | rshakin | Master_Medic: most drives have shieldings and also the monitor itself has magnetic shielding it would have to be a pretty big pulse |
| 07:46.57 | Master_Medic | the monitor is an old sun microsystems monitor |
| 07:47.29 | Master_Medic | would u say a foot is far enough a way to be safe from any potential damage? |
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| 07:48.36 | rshakin | couple of inches but if you are really worried try this simple test |
| 07:48.59 | rshakin | take a floppy and put write something to it and put it next to a monitor and then degausse it |
| 07:49.10 | Master_Medic | ah ic |
| 07:49.21 | Master_Medic | i actually took a magnet that i thought was fairly strong |
| 07:49.24 | Guerin | a huge pulse |
| 07:49.24 | Master_Medic | and put it next to a floppy |
| 07:49.27 | Master_Medic | and all around the floppy |
| 07:49.34 | Master_Medic | and the data wasnt damaged |
| 07:49.45 | Guerin | a pulse won't even do it, even if it's really strong, if neither object is moving |
| 07:50.02 | rshakin | true... |
| 07:50.04 | Guerin | movement causes the iron particles to realign |
| 07:50.13 | Guerin | if there's a strong enough magnet to align with |
| 07:50.33 | rshakin | i would figure that when it moves across the screen it might do that |
| 07:50.52 | Master_Medic | hmm okay |
| 07:50.56 | Master_Medic | a foot it is :P |
| 07:51.03 | Guerin | the short answer is: don't worry. |
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| 07:51.09 | rshakin | i think you should be safe |
| 07:51.11 | Master_Medic | yeah |
| 07:51.16 | Master_Medic | okay |
| 07:51.31 | Master_Medic | if i have problems i know who to blame haha |
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| 07:51.41 | peterS | speaking of E&M, what's the difference between a regular capacitor and a flux capacitor like they have on ST? |
| 07:51.56 | Guerin | peterS: the flux, duh |
| 07:52.08 | Master_Medic | what about the flux capacitor on back to the future? |
| 07:52.12 | Master_Medic | you just leave that one out? |
| 07:52.25 | Guerin | a normal capacitor can't capacitate time/space continuum flux |
| 07:52.29 | pstickne | what is ST. I'm missing the reference. |
| 07:52.30 | peterS | Master_Medic: at least the one on back to the future doesn't need its polarity reversed all the freaking time |
| 07:52.33 | Akatemik | Oh... sarge works... |
| 07:52.42 | Guerin | so it's no use in breaking the laws of physics AT ALL |
| 07:52.52 | peterS | pstickne: a TV show that ends with "Trek" |
| 07:52.54 | Master_Medic | star treck |
| 07:52.57 | Akatemik | Just wanted last one trie, and 2.6.8 works with me. Argh. |
| 07:53.08 | Master_Medic | trek w/e |
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| 07:53.15 | pstickne | peterS, when was `flux capacitor' used? |
| 07:53.17 | Akatemik | Well, I guess it's ok to use userland from testing (I need it) and kernel from stable... |
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| 07:53.42 | peterS | pstickne: I dunno, it seems like they're involved every time the enterprise has weird engine trouble |
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| 07:53.56 | pstickne | which enterprise? :( |
| 07:54.01 | peterS | THE ROUND ONE |
| 07:54.21 | Master_Medic | with the flying and the guns |
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| 07:54.23 | Guerin | Akatemik: if you're going to use testing, you might as well use a testing kernel too |
| 07:54.28 | Master_Medic | and the beam me up scotty |
| 07:54.31 | Akatemik | Guerin: But it doesn't work |
| 07:54.34 | Guerin | in fact, you might run into trouble if you don't |
| 07:54.47 | Guerin | Akatemik: it does so too. |
| 07:54.50 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 07:54.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 07:54.58 | peterS | do transporters manipulate the capacity of the flux, too? |
| 07:55.35 | Guerin | peterS: I'm guessing #gentoo would know more about this |
| 07:55.40 | peterS | good point |
| 07:55.43 | Guerin | they're all about trying to break the laws of physics |
| 07:55.47 | Akatemik | Guerin: If you want, I can be specific and restate the problem from 10 minuts ago... |
| 07:56.01 | Akatemik | Or more likely paste you some of this channels log |
| 07:56.49 | Guerin | Akatemik: if you just need a few packages which aren't in sarge, you can use backports. Or you can use a sarge base with a testing chroot |
| 07:57.19 | Akatemik | Hmm, chroot would be an interesting choice |
| 07:57.20 | peterS | Guerin: so like, the -O level you built your engine room with determines what multiple of warp speed you can get out of your warp drive |
| 07:57.23 | Master_Medic | sleep, later |
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| 07:57.55 | Guerin | peterS: i think it's the logarithmic factorial, not something as trivial as a multiplier |
| 07:58.01 | peterS | oh. right. |
| 07:58.09 | Guerin | i'm no expert, though |
| 07:58.11 | Akatemik | Guerin: Though I'd really prefer that my bugreport would be resolved quickly, and I could resume using testing as usual |
| 07:58.17 | Guerin | i only ran it for 8 montths or so |
| 07:58.30 | Guerin | and didn't have much flux to capacitate |
| 07:58.35 | peterS | Guerin is unclean. well, was. |
| 07:58.37 | Guerin | Akatemik: i'd prefer that my car was a mustang |
| 07:58.42 | Guerin | hm, actually |
| 07:58.56 | Guerin | given the price of fuel, i'm glad it's a mitsubishi mirage |
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| 07:59.30 | Akatemik | Guerin: Yeah, I'd also prefer that our stolen road trip car would be found... |
| 07:59.42 | Guerin | oh, my car got stolen on a road trip |
| 07:59.42 | JohnQ | What tool can list the contents of a .deb package? |
| 07:59.46 | Guerin | on our homeymoon |
| 07:59.49 | Guerin | we got it back, though |
| 07:59.57 | peterS | JohnQ: dpkg-deb --contents |
| 07:59.59 | Guerin | JohnQ: dpkg -L packagename |
| 08:00.21 | JohnQ | even if it's not a standard deb file and is sitting in my cwd? |
| 08:00.31 | Guerin | JohnQ: use peterS's plan |
| 08:01.00 | JohnQ | thanks :-) |
| 08:01.11 | peterS | JohnQ: in a pinch (if you aren't on a debian system), use 'ar x filename.deb data.tar.gz' followed by 'tar tzf data.tar.gz' |
| 08:01.37 | Akatemik | Guerin: (Getting quite OT, but...) Yeah, I could accept that it would get stolen in Romania. But no, it dissappeared from our front yard two weeks before our departure. Bought plane tickets yesterday... |
| 08:01.48 | peterS | JohnQ: though in these thoroughly modern times you may need to tell ar to list the contents first to see if it's data.tar.gz or data.tar.bz2 or data.tar, I think all three are supported now |
| 08:01.49 | Guerin | oh fuck |
| 08:01.54 | Guerin | that's terrible |
| 08:01.58 | JohnQ | Oh.. its just an ar with a tar in it? Excelent! good to know |
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| 08:02.42 | peterS | JohnQ: if you're thinking of building a tool to _create_ .deb files, you should know that it's a specific ar format (BSD), which GNU ar does not create by default on Debian systems. it can extract a .deb, it just can't build one |
| 08:02.58 | JohnQ | nah.. just want to pick this one apart a bit :-) |
| 08:03.06 | peterS | JohnQ: there are also a couple of other members of the ar file, not just data.tar.gz - take a look with 'ar t' |
| 08:03.28 | Vessial | hello,guys |
| 08:03.36 | JohnQ | nice thanks |
| 08:03.49 | peterS | JohnQ: more detail: 'man deb' |
| 08:04.06 | Vessial | i just want to write a script auto configure the ip address |
| 08:04.12 | sanmarcos | allright, ill help a few people, then Ill g to sleep |
| 08:04.28 | sanmarcos | Vessial, be more specific, also you dont need to, check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:04.30 | Vessial | so where i can rewrite in /etc/ |
| 08:04.44 | sanmarcos | man ipconfig also |
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| 08:05.01 | Vessial | maybe man ifconfig |
| 08:05.10 | Vessial | sanmarcos:thanks |
| 08:05.14 | sanmarcos | yes, typo, at this time of night |
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| 08:05.22 | Vessial | but you know,i wanna recompile to kernel image |
| 08:05.31 | sanmarcos | why? |
| 08:05.33 | Guerin | nobody's stopping you |
| 08:05.36 | peterS | Vessial: note that scripts to auto-configure IP addresses have been written before - check out the many contenders with 'apt-cache search laptop network' |
| 08:05.45 | Vessial | because i just wanna this been a embedded linux camera |
| 08:06.04 | Guerin | hell, even *I* wrote a script to handle multiple network profiles |
| 08:06.04 | faber3 | hi everybody |
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| 08:06.35 | Guerin | Growly: how much you paying for xtra? |
| 08:06.47 | Vessial | peterS: ok,i will |
| 08:06.47 | Vessial | thanks |
| 08:06.54 | faber3 | i have a crashed system, the "blue screen" starts with "HighMem free..." and ends with "806 pages pagetables". Can you say what kind of crash this was? |
| 08:07.08 | Guerin | a really bad one, if it's debian |
| 08:07.15 | Guerin | which I rather doubt it is |
| 08:07.29 | sanmarcos | you are in the oven |
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| 08:07.41 | faber3 | it is debian |
| 08:07.55 | digit | hey all |
| 08:07.59 | Guerin | faber3: start by running memtest86 overnight or for a few days |
| 08:08.05 | Guerin | a blue screen of death in debian? |
| 08:08.16 | faber3 | Guerin: its not exactly blue |
| 08:08.16 | Guerin | c'est incroyable! |
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| 08:09.17 | peterS | euh, croit. not thinking. |
| 08:09.22 | digit | hey im curious if anyone knows is it possible to run debian on an apple |
| 08:09.28 | peterS | digit: depends on the apple |
| 08:09.45 | Guerin | digit: you're better off eating them |
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| 08:10.05 | peterS | digit: Apple ][e, no. Apple Lisa, no. Apple Newton, no. Mac Classic, no. |
| 08:10.08 | digit | well mabe like a powerbook that was new |
| 08:10.13 | sanmarcos | sure |
| 08:10.15 | sanmarcos | use ppc debian |
| 08:10.18 | Guerin | digit: when was it new? |
| 08:10.24 | peterS | powerbook, probably, unless it's so new that it has unsupported devices |
| 08:10.31 | digit | let me explain |
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| 08:11.36 | digit | i had heard that only one distro yellowdog linux runs on a mac well if i were to get a notebook |
| 08:11.43 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:11.53 | Guerin | yellowdog is based on redhat, and it's consequently shit. |
| 08:11.55 | peterS | wow, is yellow dog still around? |
| 08:12.01 | digit | say apple powerbook it would have to be debian camp |
| 08:12.05 | Guerin | debian works fine on moderately old ppc |
| 08:12.06 | peterS | I haven't heard of them for like 5 years |
| 08:12.25 | digit | yes we know about redhat |
| 08:12.36 | sanmarcos | hmm can you guys name me a couple of your favorite pragmatic console tools that make your life better? (avoid things like vim, screen, etc) |
| 08:12.39 | Guerin | does any linux run/install reliably on the intel macs yet? |
| 08:12.53 | Guerin | sanmarcos: for |
| 08:13.05 | peterS | sanmarcos: I'd say cplay but I'm a bit biased, you might like mp3blaster better |
| 08:13.23 | digit | even apple says linux cant be installed , but i heard apple went to an intel cpu |
| 08:13.28 | sanmarcos | Guerin, a noble cause |
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| 08:13.38 | peterS | true love? |
| 08:13.54 | sanmarcos | it has to do with love, yes peter |
| 08:14.00 | Guerin | digit: that's WHY theysay it can't be installed - because it has broken bios-like stuff |
| 08:14.17 | pstickne | digit, there are linux kernels that are setup for old macs. it's just a matter of time and want. |
| 08:14.26 | digit | lol ah |
| 08:14.48 | pstickne | digit, but since most people seem to like OS X, and it is in large based on a BSD kernel... why switch? It has a lovely ports collection. |
| 08:14.52 | digit | well if i buy a notebook it wont be apple |
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| 08:15.05 | peterS | digit: apparently now that apple is using intel, they use EFI for boot loading, which Debian doesn't properly support on i386-class machines (EFI is also used on Itanium, and debian supports it there.) a matter of time, people are talking about it now. |
| 08:15.06 | Guerin | because osx is shit? |
| 08:15.19 | Guerin | anyway |
| 08:15.25 | Guerin | buy a thinkpad while you still can |
| 08:15.29 | pstickne | Guerin, how is a better? |
| 08:15.39 | Guerin | pstickne: your question no sense |
| 08:15.51 | pstickne | Guerin, why is OS X shit? |
| 08:15.56 | peterS | I have to admit that I'm confused by those people who believe in free software until OS X comes around, then it turns out what they really believed in was having something Unix-like |
| 08:16.07 | sanmarcos | peterS, obviously |
| 08:16.12 | Guerin | because it's proprietary bullshite made for mactards |
| 08:16.21 | Guerin | pstickne: like Neal sTEPHENSON |
| 08:16.29 | Guerin | peterS: like Neal Stephenson |
| 08:16.30 | pstickne | Guerin, uhh... how can I respond to that? :( |
| 08:16.40 | sanmarcos | who cares about philosophy, its open source enough, the quality of the product makes up for the fact that it is not open source |
| 08:16.42 | digit | i think basically there are two top notebooks thinkpad and toshiba |
| 08:16.48 | peterS | Guerin: I'm not sure he ever came out in favor of free software per se. he was a unix fan from way back though |
| 08:16.49 | sanmarcos | I need something that just works |
| 08:16.52 | sanmarcos | and I love unix |
| 08:16.59 | Guerin | pstickne: you could do what most mactards do, and stick your white earbuds in, crank up U2, and say 'la la la, I can't hear you' |
| 08:17.07 | pstickne | digit, thinkpad might be correct. toshiba ... not unless you are talking about a model I'm not thinking of |
| 08:17.22 | pstickne | Guerin, you seem really mad at 'mactards' |
| 08:17.23 | peterS | Guerin: is it U2 now? I thought it was DMB. |
| 08:17.34 | pstickne | Guerin, when they have nothing to do with OS X. |
| 08:17.47 | sanmarcos | yes, they cant get away from Brother Steve |
| 08:17.59 | Guerin | peterS: U2 and apple have the same nauseating 'save the world while lining my pockets' menatlity |
| 08:18.01 | pstickne | sanmarcos, ...and? |
| 08:18.17 | sanmarcos | pstickne, and..? to yourself |
| 08:18.17 | digit | oh ok well typically i know desktops |
| 08:18.40 | Guerin | pstickne: i'm not mad at them, only scornful. |
| 08:19.16 | Guerin | i'm scornful about a lot of things, mactards needn't feel special on account of it |
| 08:19.27 | sanmarcos | because apple took OSS technologies and made them profitable and easy to use? |
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| 08:19.30 | pstickne | digit, I have mixed feeling about toshiba laptops. In my experience more reliable (Satelites, 503, etc) then Dells (D800s) but still nothing to have a party over. |
| 08:19.31 | peterS | I assume I'm not the first to think of the term 'iPaid' for a certain popular line of pricey portable MP3 players? |
| 08:19.43 | sanmarcos | it all comes down to money again |
| 08:20.04 | pstickne | Guerin, do you scorn people who buy non-budget/base-model cars? |
| 08:20.13 | digit | i have nothin good what so ever to say about a dell |
| 08:20.42 | Guerin | pstickne: are you saying an apple is the computing equivalent of a porsche? You really HAVE bought the hype. |
| 08:20.45 | digit | in my long exp as a technician thet suck |
| 08:20.45 | pstickne | peterS, the prices are quite competitive. and the iPod line is very good. hype or not. |
| 08:20.53 | pstickne | Guerin, I never said that. |
| 08:20.53 | Guerin | no, ipods are shit |
| 08:21.00 | pstickne | Guerin, why do you say that? |
| 08:21.21 | Guerin | anything which pretends to use open technology like vfat, but actually requires you to use their methods is a 3waste of fucking time |
| 08:21.28 | pstickne | Guerin, with very little exception (and this was only relating to not having USB2) have I heard them complain. |
| 08:21.29 | peterS | welcome to "All Things Apple". If it's not Apple, it's crap! |
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| 08:21.45 | Guerin | particularly when there are better, cheaper players which play sane formats like ogg vorbis and flac, and use proper vfat |
| 08:21.52 | pstickne | Guerin, iPod's are a USB(2) Mass Storage Device? |
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| 08:22.01 | Guerin | pstickne: they are NOT. |
| 08:22.12 | pstickne | Guerin, hmm. How do they work in windows without drivers? |
| 08:22.14 | sanmarcos | Guerin, they re by definition |
| 08:22.22 | Guerin | they pretend to be, but it's nearly impossible to use one as one, and get any real functionality. |
| 08:22.31 | sanmarcos | just use the gnu ipod tools |
| 08:22.48 | pstickne | Guerin, also, as far as playing formats, why should they care about playing off/flac/whatever? |
| 08:22.54 | digit | I found out recently that i was a fool |
| 08:22.57 | sanmarcos | !rockbox |
| 08:23.03 | Guerin | if you have to use a fucking CLIENT program to actually do the things you bought the fucking thing fo, it's not functional UMS. |
| 08:23.27 | pstickne | Guerin, not to access the filesytem. |
| 08:23.28 | Guerin | pstickne: because those formats are freer, not prone to drm, and higher quality? And because choice is important? |
| 08:23.29 | sanmarcos | Guerin, its okay, I mean, I know money makes people angry. I was like that, until I became wealthy |
| 08:23.46 | pstickne | Guerin, then don't buy an iPod then. it doesn't make it a bad product. |
| 08:23.57 | Guerin | sanmarcos: this isn't about money, it's about idiocy. |
| 08:24.01 | peterS | http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2005-05-08.shtml |
| 08:24.05 | peterS | all you ever needed to know about Apple |
| 08:24.09 | peterS | I love OSC |
| 08:24.11 | digit | because i thought that bsd which is the backend of osx was open source only to find out that apple has a proprietary lic for bsd |
| 08:24.11 | pstickne | Guerin, you're confusing "putting songs into a device" and "accessing the filesystem" |
| 08:24.24 | peterS | Guerin: ^^^ have you seen that article? pretty funny stuff |
| 08:24.24 | Guerin | pstickne: if there's a better, more functional, cheaper product, which there are, then it is by definition a bad product by comparison. |
| 08:24.44 | sanmarcos | digit, it is, darwin/xnu is open |
| 08:25.06 | sanmarcos | digit, you can steal the code and repackage it as not open source, nobody will know |
| 08:25.22 | sanmarcos | its like peter pan |
| 08:25.25 | pstickne | Guerin, I have not seen these products you talk about then. I haven't looked in the last 6 months, granted. |
| 08:25.32 | Guerin | peterS: i'm talking about 'i can't plug this ipod in and copy some random songs on there to play using my own discretion. i have to jump through apple's hoops to make it work, and I can';t just do it on any arbitrary computer.' |
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| 08:25.40 | pstickne | Guerin, again, back to cars. And I'm not saying Apple is comparable to Porsche. |
| 08:25.49 | pstickne | Guerin, Apple is a commodity brand. |
| 08:25.52 | Guerin | pstickne: ^ |
| 08:25.55 | digit | are you implying thats what apple did |
| 08:26.01 | Guerin | sorry, I'm on a third world internet connection again |
| 08:26.06 | digit | stoled the code |
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| 08:26.37 | Guerin | pstickne: pstickne are you saying that commodity brands need to be functionality-crippled? |
| 08:26.49 | pstickne | Guerin, what function crippled? |
| 08:26.49 | lehel | hello |
| 08:26.55 | ApTek | hi |
| 08:27.04 | pstickne | Guerin, do they prevent users from using them on the systems and hardware that they support? |
| 08:27.16 | pstickne | Guerin, do they prevent users from playing the songs it says it can play? |
| 08:27.39 | pstickne | Guerin, does your computer suck because it can't cook you breakfast? |
| 08:27.45 | lehel | i got strange error on "adduser/deluser" : "configuration error - unknown item '...' (notify admin..)" |
| 08:28.02 | lehel | could somebody hint me a solution? |
| 08:28.15 | digit | haha good one cat cook your breakfast |
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| 08:28.57 | peterS | "Think about it. All the rigid, corporate-determined uniformity and buy-it-from-us-or-drop-dead attitude of Microsoft, but you have to buy your _hardware_ from them too." heh. |
| 08:28.59 | Guerin | pstickne: why should my use of a device be limited by what a UI designer wants me to do? |
| 08:29.08 | pstickne | Guerin, who is making you use it? |
| 08:29.16 | Guerin | pstickne: if you need to resort to argumentatum ad absurdum, you've already lost |
| 08:29.21 | crowolo_ | hi |
| 08:29.28 | pstickne | Guerin, although, name something that isn't limited by the designer. |
| 08:29.33 | pstickne | Guerin, commercial product. |
| 08:29.54 | Guerin | pstickne: in the mypothetical case that I had one, my usage options would be limited by what the designers wanted me to be able to do - that appears to be your argument, that I should only use it in the ways apple wants me to |
| 08:30.00 | peterS | pstickne: my computer. it's a commercial product, but the motherboard vendor has no idea what I wanted to do with it. |
| 08:30.25 | digit | i wonder what apple would respond if we asked them to make thier osx open |
| 08:30.34 | peterS | nor did they care. they sold me hardware that could do lots of things they hadn't specifically thought of. iPods aren't like that. |
| 08:30.48 | pstickne | peterS, they are also a complete package. |
| 08:30.49 | Guerin | peterS: regardless of how they WANT me to use it, I reserve the right to use things in the way *I* want. And if they design something which limits that right, then they've crippled the device. |
| 08:30.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:31.00 | Guerin | stupid tabcomplete |
| 08:31.10 | pstickne | peterS, take the HD (or NV storage) inside the iPod for instance. |
| 08:31.35 | Guerin | digit: "Please refer to FAQ #4578" |
| 08:32.07 | pstickne | digit, most likely the same way MS would respond, maybe in a different pill ;) |
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| 08:32.58 | digit | and where is this faq |
| 08:33.36 | digit | i was kidding you know |
| 08:33.56 | Guerin | pstickne: to get back to your car analogy: when you buy a luxury car, you buy a bunch of value. You buy material, superior engineering, testing, safety features, capabilities, etc. buying an ipod over, say, an iaudo x5L, you pay extra for a LIMITATION on capability. |
| 08:34.19 | digit | apple makes money selling computers |
| 08:34.40 | liable | hah, i met an apple freak recently, i could only nod and laugh on the inside.. |
| 08:34.48 | Guerin | ano, apple sell *lifestyle* |
| 08:34.53 | liable | the are *fanatic* |
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| 08:35.29 | pstickne | Guerin, I wouldn't be so sure on that car thing. Besides, it's all based on demand and -percieved value-. Around here new Corvette's sell for 30k above their sticker. Take that how you will. |
| 08:35.34 | niklaus | i have a machine where ping works fine but telnet isn't . Can it be a routing issue ? |
| 08:35.43 | Guerin | THAT is the apple business model: substitute desire for a tool for desire for a lifestyle. |
| 08:35.46 | petemc | they're obviously doing something right, in 4 of the 8 channels im in people are talking about apple |
| 08:36.00 | liable | niklaus: firewall? |
| 08:36.02 | crowolo_ | debian-it |
| 08:36.11 | crowolo_ | ups |
| 08:36.39 | Guerin | pstickne: it's not a hard and fast rule, but the principles hold. And YOU brought the analogy up, so a rebuttal of 'I'm not so sure' isn't really all that much of a win. |
| 08:37.02 | niklaus | liable, i think firewall is fine 99% sure |
| 08:38.03 | digit | for what apple gets for their computers I think its outragious hiway robbery |
| 08:38.34 | simonrvn | you lose points for bad typing |
| 08:38.44 | liable | niklaus: well, kill it and be certain |
| 08:38.48 | digit | I build and fix computers everyday and there is no pc worth 4000 |
| 08:38.53 | Guerin | peterS: that's a good article, whoich says more or less what I mean |
| 08:38.55 | digit | sorry |
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| 08:39.06 | Guerin | digit: you're in trade, you would say that |
| 08:39.22 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, I like the way he puts it. anyway - off to bed. (: |
| 08:39.28 | Guerin | when I worked in fine wine, I used to think no wine was worth $500/bottle, because I knew how to buy at sane prices. |
| 08:39.32 | mrparanoid | yeah i agree digit i wouldnt spend $4k on a computer unless i was rolling in the money or it was for some work purpose |
| 08:39.37 | pstickne | Guerin, what have we to win? You win. I have a cinnamon roll but I don't think it would survive the mail. I personally think that Apple is doing a very good job in their niche. I don't own an iPod but I bought two of them for somebody special. I also suggested she buy an iMac, which she did, and loves. Fits her perfectly. I also bought an overpriced (they really are) Cinema display for my brother. Yet I have to own anything apple |
| 08:39.37 | pstickne | myself :) |
| 08:40.02 | digit | i would say that I spend alot of time fixing and building pc yeas |
| 08:40.22 | mrparanoid | computer tech digit? |
| 08:40.48 | TARZEAU | can anyone play these streams on http://www.sr.se/ click on "LYSSNA PA WEBRADIO" |
| 08:40.51 | digit | yes |
| 08:40.54 | pstickne | digit, I could build a PC over 4k in parts :) |
| 08:41.01 | mrparanoid | been doing it long? |
| 08:41.01 | digit | since the 90's |
| 08:41.02 | TARZEAU | liable: what do you put on your pizza? |
| 08:41.12 | mrparanoid | i got sick of it after 2 years |
| 08:41.14 | pstickne | digit, no that I would, unless someone else was footing but... |
| 08:41.17 | Guerin | pstickne: the point wasn't that apple products aren't well suited to 'their niche', the point is whether they're GOOD. |
| 08:41.27 | pstickne | Guerin, they are good. |
| 08:41.31 | Guerin | as in, offering more value than comparable products |
| 08:41.37 | Guerin | which in most cases, they don't |
| 08:41.39 | pstickne | Guerin, maybe not the best value as you pointed out, but they are good products. |
| 08:41.52 | pstickne | Guerin, quality is independant of price. |
| 08:41.52 | Guerin | i don't mean value as in $$ |
| 08:42.09 | Guerin | that's my point |
| 08:42.11 | simonrvn | well, put it this way, they cut more corners nowadays than they used to |
| 08:42.24 | pstickne | Guerin, IBM thinkpad (esp the Txxp's) sell for much more then their competitors. Why don't you say they suck :) |
| 08:42.25 | Guerin | even if you ignore the fact they're overpriced, *they're still not good* |
| 08:42.33 | simonrvn | an old mac can last you years and years, now, a few |
| 08:42.59 | Guerin | because IBM thinkpads a*really good* |
| 08:43.03 | simonrvn | they started going downhill when the first imacs came out |
| 08:43.05 | pstickne | Guerin, they're okay. |
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| 08:43.16 | simonrvn | they were purely for mass market... |
| 08:43.29 | pstickne | Guerin, (I have one, my dad has one... but are they really that much better?) |
| 08:43.30 | digit | applemy toshiba satlite is older than old and still works |
| 08:43.41 | digit | and it is not an apple\ |
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| 08:43.59 | digit | they last |
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| 08:44.07 | Guerin | pstickne: there are some which are a bit shit (i series, for instance), but generally speaking, they're built to good spec, superbly designed and engineered. |
| 08:44.07 | digit | and ibms last |
| 08:44.12 | pstickne | Guerin, anyway, I don't regret the extra %20-30 markup I paid *shrug*. I don't think most people who buy Apple products regret either. |
| 08:44.20 | simonrvn | worst decision apple ever made - IMO - is they went to intel |
| 08:44.23 | pstickne | Guerin, only T's here :) |
| 08:44.24 | Guerin | they're built from good parts, which is *far* more than you can say for apple gear nowadays |
| 08:44.34 | Guerin | yeah, mine is a t42 |
| 08:44.50 | pstickne | Guerin, they OTS components. |
| 08:44.53 | Guerin | simonrvn: worse than carrying on usin faulty batteries and logic boards? |
| 08:45.00 | Guerin | pstickne: OTS? |
| 08:45.00 | pstickne | Guerin, did they have Intell make them a specially stable CPU? |
| 08:45.17 | pstickne | Off the shelf -- eg, except for the case, anyone pretty much has access. |
| 08:45.20 | Guerin | pstickne: you *know* i'm not talking about cpus. |
| 08:45.22 | simonrvn | 'off the shelf' |
| 08:45.37 | pstickne | Guerin, did ATI make them the FireGL Mobility line just for them? |
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| 08:46.00 | simonrvn | Guerin: that's part of the downhill process |
| 08:46.09 | Guerin | pstickne: it's the *combination* of good parts. It's easy to get a laptop with some good parts, but only a few have *almost all* good parts |
| 08:46.15 | pstickne | Guerin, laptops are like PCs these days... most is from a common parts bin. |
| 08:46.37 | pstickne | Guerin, worst is most likely the motherboard power distribution system.... |
| 08:46.47 | Guerin | athat ignores the fact that there are good and bad parts, and that most places select some of each. |
| 08:46.59 | pstickne | Guerin, I have no idea who made/makes IBM motherboards :) |
| 08:47.02 | digit | i would like to point out that I dint meant to turn this channel into an apple chat when i ask my question |
| 08:47.09 | Guerin | pstickne: lspci |
| 08:47.42 | pstickne | Guerin, all intel components, but that is to be expected from ANY Centrino system |
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| 08:48.07 | Guerin | pstickne: yeah, because all centrino systems are created equal |
| 08:48.32 | pstickne | Guerin, I think they have to use the Intel chips to get that name. |
| 08:48.39 | pstickne | Guerin, not sure though, I don't make them. |
| 08:48.42 | Guerin | SOME, not all. |
| 08:49.03 | pstickne | Guerin, well, obviously ATI or NVIDIA for the graphics ... last is just selecting models. |
| 08:49.15 | simonrvn | i wouldn't an intel cpu in a laptop, but that's me |
| 08:49.23 | pstickne | simonrvn, the P-M line is great. |
| 08:49.34 | ktwilight | eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[11380]) <- what does that mean? |
| 08:49.46 | pstickne | simonrvn, the others *shrug*. I'd take an AMD for the desktop given two comparable systems. |
| 08:49.56 | simonrvn | means you have dhclient in promisc mode |
| 08:49.59 | Guerin | i hear the amd64 mobiles are good |
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| 08:50.07 | simonrvn | (which it does anyway) |
| 08:50.12 | pstickne | simonrvn, but that's some perverse loyalty to a brand I haven't supported since they were just entering the PC market ;) |
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| 08:50.31 | pstickne | Guerin, it would be interesting to see them compared with the Duos |
| 08:50.33 | ktwilight | ah, thanks simonrvn. |
| 08:50.48 | SmartUnix | Hello , where i can found helps for SCREEM editor ? |
| 08:50.54 | Guerin | damn you, taking up my time when I should be writing for grad skool |
| 08:51.30 | simonrvn | g'night folks. have fun |
| 08:51.42 | digit | if you go to toms hardware page and look at the bench marks for intel and amd you will know what cpu is the best |
| 08:52.10 | pstickne | Guerin, http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/04/24/dual_core_intel_processors_for_low/ |
| 08:52.16 | pstickne | Guerin, maybe something interesting... |
| 08:53.18 | digit | the last I knew 7 mos ago intel led the moble market for processor power |
| 08:53.45 | jetscreamer | SmartUnix: http://www.google.com/linux?q=screem&restrict=linux |
| 08:53.57 | digit | amd blew intels ass away in all other tests |
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| 08:59.49 | JohnQ | Anyone using an ati radeon with tvout, who has gotten tvout to work in text mode? |
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| 09:02.16 | SoloFlyer | so many hassles so few reasons! |
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| 09:03.25 | SoloFlyer | my natsemi card and my e100 have been sharing the same irq for about a year and a bit on my internet router... i try to upgrade to 2.6.15 or 2.6.16 and i have nothing but problems with the irq being shared... |
| 09:03.36 | piyush_patel | ramsize |
| 09:04.15 | liable | TARZEAU: fairly standard, pizza sauce, chilli sauce, chillies, onion, ham, capsicum, black olives, lots of mushrooms, pinapple, and a shitload of cheese. |
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| 09:05.32 | TARZEAU | liable: it's pineapple, and italians never put it on pizza |
| 09:05.43 | liable | TARZEAU: and a sprinkling od bbq once cooked |
| 09:05.57 | liable | TARZEAU: i know, italian pizzas suck |
| 09:06.03 | TARZEAU | liable: hehe the pizza ground can't hold all this shitload of items |
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| 09:06.13 | liable | hehe |
| 09:06.19 | TARZEAU | liable: i like the www.dominos.com pizzas or the real ones here |
| 09:06.21 | Guerin | pineapple, eew |
| 09:06.24 | Guerin | that shit has no place on pizza |
| 09:06.27 | TARZEAU | Guerin: i like pineapple |
| 09:06.34 | blondie | Guerin: oh but it does |
| 09:06.35 | TARZEAU | i like all fruits |
| 09:06.36 | liable | i like it on pizza |
| 09:06.37 | SoloFlyer | Guerin: Here Here |
| 09:06.42 | TARZEAU | liable: same here |
| 09:06.45 | blondie | pineapple is great |
| 09:06.50 | TARZEAU | !pineapple |
| 09:07.00 | SoloFlyer | i like pineable but Fruit should not be on a pizza |
| 09:07.02 | liable | if you want weird, i had a *curry* where the dude put pinapple in it! |
| 09:07.28 | SoloFlyer | except tomato... |
| 09:07.33 | liable | it was weird, but not objectionable |
| 09:07.34 | SoloFlyer | that doesnt count as a fruit :) |
| 09:07.50 | liable | bah, food is what you like. |
| 09:07.59 | liable | its subjective |
| 09:08.11 | TARZEAU | to much calories is bad for your shape |
| 09:08.27 | liable | i only eat one meal a day usually |
| 09:08.33 | piyush_patel | !ramsize |
| 09:08.36 | SoloFlyer | so any thoughts on my IRQ hell? |
| 09:08.36 | liable | makes more room for beer |
| 09:08.42 | TARZEAU | liable: that's not very healthy either |
| 09:08.47 | binary_dreamer | hi. i got a motherboard from dfi (DFI LalPARTY NFII B ultra). i installed sarge with kernel 2.6 but i cannot make the audio to work. could someone be kind and help me please? |
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| 09:09.02 | liable | TARZEAU: eating less, is healthy |
| 09:09.06 | Sp4rKy | hey |
| 09:09.12 | SoloFlyer | binary_dreamer: lspci and find the line that relates to your audio card |
| 09:09.14 | TARZEAU | liable: but not just one meal a day and nothing all the rest |
| 09:09.21 | blondie | liable: eating too little is not healthy |
| 09:09.25 | blondie | one meal a day is silly |
| 09:09.28 | Sp4rKy | please, does anyone use AOL with sppedtouch 330 USB ? |
| 09:09.38 | SoloFlyer | ewww aol! |
| 09:09.38 | blondie | AOL lol |
| 09:09.45 | binary_dreamer | SoloFlyer: i am not at this pc now. ia m at work. i am collecting info on what to do. |
| 09:09.50 | Sp4rKy | :| |
| 09:09.52 | liable | hey, i dont *need* more food. i function fine with one meal a day |
| 09:09.53 | TARZEAU | Sp4rKy: usb modems are a problem most of the time |
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| 09:10.03 | Sp4rKy | TARZEAU: i know :| |
| 09:10.08 | TARZEAU | liable: i didn't say more food, but split your meal over the day |
| 09:10.16 | Sp4rKy | but speedtouch 330 seems works ... |
| 09:10.19 | TARZEAU | liable: spread it like unix software spreads it on a filesystem |
| 09:10.31 | Sp4rKy | i've tried with speedtouch-ng and some other way |
| 09:10.31 | TARZEAU | liable: but some pineapple in the morning into you |
| 09:10.38 | TARZEAU | liable: then half a pizza at noon |
| 09:10.45 | binary_dreamer | SoloFlyer: could u suggest me something to do? |
| 09:10.56 | liable | TARZEAU: i cant eat in the morning, and if i eat at luch, then i dont have dinner |
| 09:11.02 | SoloFlyer | binary_dreamer: i am im typing :) |
| 09:11.04 | liable | usually |
| 09:11.36 | binary_dreamer | SoloFlyer: ok sory. i did not mean to be rude. i was just trying to ask. |
| 09:11.46 | liable | TARZEAU: even as a child, i never ate breakfast |
| 09:11.55 | TARZEAU | liable: i love breakfast |
| 09:12.06 | TARZEAU | liable: also "kalte platte" in the evening. i had fondue last sunday |
| 09:12.12 | TARZEAU | liable: it was so cold and raining |
| 09:12.20 | liable | TARZEAU: i used to have cereal when i got home from school :) |
| 09:12.27 | TARZEAU | liable: do you love to cook? |
| 09:12.31 | Fox | apt-get install fondue |
| 09:12.32 | TARZEAU | liable: haha |
| 09:12.38 | SoloFlyer | binary_dreamer: sorry i wasnt trying to say that in a way that made you think i was annoyed as you asking, i was just trying to say that i was typing so you wouldnt think i was ignoring you... |
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| 09:13.05 | liable | TARZEAU: no. i hate cooking, though i like it when i make a nice meal. I have rib eye in the fridge for tommorow .. yum! |
| 09:13.09 | binary_dreamer | SoloFlyer: ok no worries. i am waiting |
| 09:13.18 | Sp4rKy | when i restart my computer after installing the speedtouch driver , i have an infinite delay during network configuration , and after a CTRL + C , my system start but internet doesn't works |
| 09:13.39 | TARZEAU | liable: i've got some gnocchi and a few pears |
| 09:13.50 | TARZEAU | liable: i also like mango in meals |
| 09:13.52 | rage | This may seem like an obvious question, but where can I find the source for `cat` and `yes` and other basic utils? |
| 09:13.58 | jetscreamer | will apt-file show information about manually installed packages via dpkg -i or is it just from sources |
| 09:14.06 | TARZEAU | rage: dpkg -S `which cat` |
| 09:14.20 | liable | TARZEAU: i like mango chutney, its very hot, but nice with some things |
| 09:14.25 | TARZEAU | rage: replace cat with yes... if it's a built-in command, check your $SHELL |
| 09:14.38 | liable | i like mangos too, but i am not big on fruit |
| 09:14.48 | liable | more a vegie person |
| 09:14.48 | azeem | jetscreamer: I don't think so, it searches Contents-$ARCH AFAIK |
| 09:14.56 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 09:14.57 | TARZEAU | liable: i love rice with chicken and yellow spicy curry |
| 09:14.58 | shingouz | very diverse channel, #debian-food :p |
| 09:14.59 | azeem | jetscreamer: I wouldn't expect it to merge in local stuff, but who knows |
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| 09:15.04 | TARZEAU | liable: of course don't forget the pineapple pieces |
| 09:15.08 | jetscreamer | i'll try anyway |
| 09:15.12 | SoloFlyer | binary_dreamer: run lspci find the line that relates to your sound card then make sure the the driver for your sound card is installed, if its not installed then find out if the module for your sound card is compiled in if its not then you will need to recompile your kernel to support the sound card if it is then just mod probe the module and everything should be happy... if the module for your sound card is installed and is modprobed in and yo |
| 09:15.24 | shingouz | ...you guys make me hungry.... |
| 09:15.44 | liable | TARZEAU: i love curries, i think i'll have rogan josh night after tomorrow :) |
| 09:15.55 | TARZEAU | liable: hehe , k time to eat. bon appetit |
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| 09:16.05 | rage | TARZEAU: I'm after the sourcefiles and hopefully the makefiles as well, the comand you gave me returned `# Makefile for helloworld |
| 09:16.05 | rage | EXEC = helloworld |
| 09:16.05 | rage | OBJS = helloworld.o |
| 09:16.06 | rage | # declare these targets as phony, so make will not try to look |
| 09:16.06 | rage | # for files named like them: |
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| 09:16.31 | TARZEAU | rage can use apt-get source or the copyright file shipped with the binary packages in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/ |
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| 09:16.41 | TARZEAU | rage can use apt-get source or the copyright file shipped with the binary packages in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/ |
| 09:16.57 | rage | whoops, wrong clipboard, sorry about the spam |
| 09:17.01 | TARZEAU | my command here returned: $ dpkg -S `which cat` |
| 09:17.02 | TARZEAU | coreutils: /bin/cat |
| 09:17.10 | rage | Okay |
| 09:17.14 | rage | yup |
| 09:17.22 | RichiH | TARZEAU: whoah, that nick is agressive |
| 09:17.30 | PotatoChipZ | -_-'' |
| 09:17.41 | RichiH | heh |
| 09:17.46 | RichiH | ta, i guess ;) |
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| 09:18.02 | RichiH | tarzeau: it really does make a diffrence |
| 09:18.06 | SoloFlyer | tarzeau: from very agressive to very passive... |
| 09:18.08 | RichiH | who would have thought |
| 09:18.17 | tarzeau | RichiH: i'd rather have TARZEAU monsters in nethack than tarzeau ones |
| 09:18.29 | RichiH | heh |
| 09:18.36 | PotatoChipZ | who play dota?? |
| 09:18.44 | predder | I have a raid1 array with 2 drives using mdadm. If I unmount one of the drives to make changes to it without affecting the other drive could I then boot to the old configuration again? |
| 09:18.56 | PotatoChipZ | is anybody dota player here? |
| 09:18.59 | predder | or will mdadm always boot to the newest version |
| 09:19.11 | SoloFlyer | binary_dreamer: any questions on the above? |
| 09:19.12 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 09:19.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:19.24 | predder | yes PotatoChipZ, I play dota but I think you might be in the wrong channel |
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| 09:19.29 | quitte | predder: you cannot unmount one of them. but you can take one of them out of the array |
| 09:19.32 | PotatoChipZ | oh.. |
| 09:19.34 | PotatoChipZ | i c.. |
| 09:19.48 | binary_dreamer | SoloFlyer: ok. i am keeping it as a note. when i will go home i will give it a try, |
| 09:19.48 | predder | sorry quitte, that's what I meant. |
| 09:19.48 | PotatoChipZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.51 | binary_dreamer | SoloFlyer: thanks |
| 09:20.05 | SoloFlyer | binary_dreamer: no problem :) |
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| 09:20.24 | SoloFlyer | anyway im going |
| 09:20.26 | SoloFlyer | cya guys |
| 09:20.30 | PotatoChipZ | predder, how to connect to us west? |
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| 09:20.43 | PotatoChipZ | i can't connect to us west server.. |
| 09:20.54 | predder | Did you try another server? Perhaps it is down. |
| 09:21.06 | PotatoChipZ | yes i can.. but i can connect to us west |
| 09:21.26 | PotatoChipZ | ups |
| 09:21.31 | predder | Sorry but I only play on the boredaussie server, cant help. |
| 09:21.38 | PotatoChipZ | T_T |
| 09:21.42 | PotatoChipZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.58 | azeem | PotatoChipZ, predder: please coordinate in private |
| 09:22.56 | PotatoChipZ | predder, can you tell me how to connect boredaussie server? |
| 09:23.28 | predder | PotatoChipZ, please respect azeem's request and keep it private. |
| 09:23.53 | PotatoChipZ | i can't whisper you.. |
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| 09:24.06 | PotatoChipZ | the server says "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )" |
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| 09:24.21 | blondie | PotatoChipZ: register your nick then |
| 09:24.26 | blondie | and identify |
| 09:24.30 | PotatoChipZ | ok.. |
| 09:24.33 | PotatoChipZ | thanks |
| 09:24.42 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.54 | eps | got an odd problem...restarted my system (debian sid last updated about 24 hours ago) and x spawned in 640x480...restarted x and it came back to normal though I want to see if it is a update that buggered it up or if I should be worried about hardware |
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| 09:26.40 | PotatoChipZ | eps, your OS maybe corrupt |
| 09:26.54 | pinky | How do I set GUID bit on a binary? |
| 09:27.07 | predder | eps, check your logs perhaps and see if it gives you a reason for it booting at that res? |
| 09:27.20 | eps | PotatoChipZ care to suggest which part? |
| 09:27.25 | eps | predder kk |
| 09:27.31 | pinky | Err... I mean how do I set SGID on a binary? |
| 09:27.42 | PotatoChipZ | i just guess it.. |
| 09:27.42 | tarzeau | pinky: g+s ? |
| 09:27.43 | PotatoChipZ | hehe.. |
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| 09:28.12 | pinky | tarzeau: heh, hi, would that be safe to do for /usr/bin/cdrecord (owned by the group cdrom)? |
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| 09:28.40 | tarzeau | pinky: hmmm, but it's not needed |
| 09:28.41 | eps | found it |
| 09:29.03 | eps | it looks to be a x problem |
| 09:29.28 | pinky | tarzeau: Well, my binary is 744 owned by root and group cdrom, and my username is in group cdrom, and K3b still bitches about cdrecord not being run with root privs. |
| 09:29.41 | tarzeau | pinky: 744 is wrong |
| 09:29.42 | pinky | Excuse me, the perms are 755 |
| 09:29.57 | tarzeau | pinky: i've got 755 here and it's fine |
| 09:30.03 | eps | the following is an excerpt from the log (three lines of 20) |
| 09:30.04 | eps | (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0 |
| 09:30.04 | eps | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1600x1200"; removing. |
| 09:30.09 | pinky | owned by root, and group cdrom? |
| 09:30.10 | eps | (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes: |
| 09:30.10 | eps | (II) NVIDIA(0): "640x480" |
| 09:30.10 | eps | (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 640 x 480 |
| 09:30.12 | eps | five :P |
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| 09:30.23 | eps | ow come on, only five lines :P |
| 09:30.23 | tarzeau | pinky: yes exactly, no i've got root:root |
| 09:30.26 | RichiH | that's more than three ;) |
| 09:30.30 | liable | !lose eps |
| 09:30.31 | dpkg | eps: You Lose. |
| 09:30.32 | RichiH | eps: it's automated |
| 09:30.33 | eps | RichiH indeed :P |
| 09:30.36 | eps | yeah |
| 09:30.39 | RichiH | eps: use a paste site |
| 09:30.54 | eps | RichiH wasn't going to for three lines, then realised it was five as I pasted :P |
| 09:31.00 | pinky | tarzeau: So how does that work when you run K3b as a normal user? It doesn't complain? |
| 09:31.15 | PotatoChipZ | can somebody tells me how to connect to us west?????? |
| 09:31.26 | eps | anyway, looks like that was caused by an x update as nvidia hasn't changed and I've rebooted daily for the last week (cpu fan is dying so I'm not leaving it unattended) |
| 09:31.31 | liable | pinky: just use cdrecord on the cli for gawds sake :) |
| 09:31.51 | tarzeau | pinky: no it doesn't complain |
| 09:31.53 | liable | ITS REALLY QUITE EASY |
| 09:31.56 | liable | oops |
| 09:32.01 | tarzeau | pinky: since the group members have full access to the device |
| 09:32.09 | Ronin | PotatoChipZ: us west what? |
| 09:32.09 | tarzeau | pinky: see the devcie permissions? and the user is in the group? |
| 09:32.37 | PotatoChipZ | w3 server |
| 09:32.41 | pinky | liable: I burn too much, too often, several DVDs a day, I'd rather use a tool with a more intuitive interface... don't get me wrong, I love the CLI, but I love the GUI just as much. |
| 09:33.13 | PotatoChipZ | Ronin: can you give me an information how to connect to us west w3 server?? |
| 09:33.30 | pinky | The device permissions are fine, K3b doesn't even complain about them... it's just cdrecord and cdrdao. |
| 09:33.30 | Ronin | PotatoChipZ: dont even know what your talking about, is it in debian? |
| 09:33.37 | PotatoChipZ | no.. |
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| 09:34.03 | PotatoChipZ | Ronin: where is gamer channel?? |
| 09:34.41 | Quentusrex | I'm trying to use the command: rpm --root /mnt --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-4 |
| 09:34.59 | Quentusrex | But I am getting an error.... |
| 09:35.03 | shingouz | Quentusrex: and this has what to do with debian? |
| 09:35.07 | pinky | tarzeau: "It is highly recommended to configure cdrdao to run with root privileges to increase the overall stability of the burning process." |
| 09:35.12 | quitte | PotatoChipZ: on quakenet probably |
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| 09:35.24 | Quentusrex | I'm trying to build a CentOS Xen DomU from Debian |
| 09:35.54 | Quentusrex | and I need to find another way of importing the pgp to finish. |
| 09:35.55 | pinky | I was thinking of setting SGUI bits on the binaries and seeing if that worked for me (because SUID has been the *only* thing that has worked thus far) |
| 09:36.04 | shingouz | Quentusrex: wget and alien might help you |
| 09:36.18 | Quentusrex | hmm |
| 09:36.22 | pinky | tarzeau: Is that as bad as SUID root was? |
| 09:36.44 | Quentusrex | I would just use wget if I knew what to do with the pgp key once I've downloaded it.... |
| 09:37.57 | quitte | Quentusrex: have a look at the xen-tools package |
| 09:38.00 | shingouz | Quentusrex: from what i know, debian does not have 'rpm' in it so the command you try to use is not going to work |
| 09:39.31 | JohnQ | strange... autofs on sarge does not come with a /etc/auto.removable ... any idea where I could find a suitable one? |
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| 09:40.14 | Snake007uk | hi guys, |
| 09:40.27 | Snake007uk | where can i change keyboard layout (which file do i need to edit ? |
| 09:40.46 | Hoxzer | xorg.conf ^^ |
| 09:41.14 | Snake007uk | no X only command line |
| 09:41.37 | Snake007uk | its a server given to us from iceland |
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| 09:46.01 | blackelf | help |
| 09:46.07 | blackelf | my "man" do not work |
| 09:46.13 | ajdlinux | what error? |
| 09:46.22 | blackelf | instead lunching the man browse, it displays man page using "less' |
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| 09:46.36 | blackelf | I can not use up/down arrows nor can I use search / |
| 09:46.57 | blackelf | I can only press spacebar and there is a --more-- text on bottom. what the fuck? |
| 09:47.27 | shingouz | blackelf: it uses more right now, not less |
| 09:47.33 | blackelf | perhaps |
| 09:47.39 | blackelf | but I want it to work normally. how to |
| 09:47.42 | ajdlinux | blackelf: please don't use profanity |
| 09:47.50 | ajdlinux | try export PAGER=less |
| 09:48.21 | blackelf | man: can't execute less: No such file or directory |
| 09:48.27 | shingouz | has this channel become a non-profanity-channel in the past months when i have not noticed? |
| 09:48.37 | ajdlinux | apt-get install less |
| 09:48.45 | blackelf | IMHO man should suggest less |
| 09:48.58 | pstickne | anyone played with least ?:) |
| 09:49.20 | blackelf | how to set less as pager permanently? |
| 09:49.32 | cydork | blackelf, does less work with other text documents?? |
| 09:49.37 | ajdlinux | hmm i think the less package already does that |
| 09:49.43 | blackelf | in addition, "mc" is starting as editor for in example visudo. how to make vim the default editor |
| 09:50.03 | ajdlinux | i guess you need to update sensible-editor or something |
| 09:50.08 | blackelf | ok, it works with less now, how to make that permanent? also how to set vim as editor |
| 09:50.35 | blackelf | ajdlinux: how |
| 09:50.38 | ajdlinux | i'm guessing that man will automatically use less if it exists |
| 09:50.49 | ajdlinux | but vim, well i don't know - i use nano |
| 09:50.55 | blackelf | ajdlinux: indeed now it uses less, thanks |
| 09:51.07 | blackelf | how to set vim to be the default editor for in example 'visudo" |
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| 09:52.27 | tuv | blackelf, try update-alternatives --config editor |
| 09:53.08 | rage | Its scares me how complex the code to /usr/bin/yes is |
| 09:53.33 | ajdlinux | while 1 { printf("y"); } |
| 09:54.06 | blackelf | tuv: it worked, thanks |
| 09:54.12 | rage | Nope, its about 15 lines of code, (96 in total including comments) |
| 09:54.30 | ajdlinux | ouch, just for something that keeps on outputting "y"? |
| 09:54.43 | rage | Yup |
| 09:54.47 | rage | well |
| 09:54.57 | tuv | error handling? |
| 09:54.59 | ajdlinux | hmm, maybe my code is a rather 'minimalistic' version |
| 09:55.00 | rage | Yes also outputs the string in the args |
| 09:55.17 | rage | So yes helloworld will repeat helloworld over and over |
| 09:55.25 | rage | But even so, |
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| 09:56.26 | blackelf | how to display in console info about given PID like cpu time, memory usage and so on |
| 09:57.27 | tuv | ps aux | grep <pid> |
| 09:57.53 | rage | ps -p <pid> |
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| 09:58.36 | lunitik | rage: did you even try that? |
| 09:58.58 | rage | Mmmm? |
| 09:59.04 | rage | Yup |
| 09:59.11 | lunitik | rage: no you didn't |
| 09:59.22 | rage | Works here |
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| 09:59.57 | lunitik | rage: ok, tell me where it shows memory usage, or CPU time... |
| 10:00.41 | rage | Oh, sorry, yup, |
| 10:00.55 | rage | It will display the time for a given pid |
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| 10:01.44 | rage | ps -Fp pid |
| 10:01.47 | lunitik | tuv: shush, your command is too much too... but at least it answers question... |
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| 10:02.23 | tuv | lunitik, he didn't ask about the best way to do it, he asked how to do it and my command achieves that |
| 10:02.31 | fourat | hello |
| 10:02.31 | rage | Missed the memory usage part, it displays it for the given pid and gives the cputime |
| 10:02.35 | rage | anyway |
| 10:02.47 | lunitik | tuv: hence why I said nothing until you started trying to be cocky |
| 10:02.54 | rage | and with the added F it also works |
| 10:02.54 | tuv | lunitik, you said nothing, on the other hand |
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| 10:03.15 | fourat | i did an upgrade from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 using unstable repos, and the system wont start with this new kernel, saying it does not find /dev/console (kernel panick) |
| 10:03.33 | JohnQ | Is there a way to make autofs respond to pressing the eject buton on the drive by unmounting and ejecting the disk even if the timer has not expired? |
| 10:03.51 | lunitik | rage: I'm not in the mood for tech support, entirely too drunk... just pointing out that you both were wrong |
| 10:04.09 | rage | Alrighty |
| 10:04.15 | tuv | lunitik, good work |
| 10:04.17 | rage | we'll stop helping people and leave it to you |
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| 10:04.53 | lunitik | rage: thats better than giving correct answers, if more regulars were around, they'd have said the same thing. |
| 10:05.01 | fourat | hello |
| 10:05.03 | lunitik | incorrect* |
| 10:05.06 | fourat | anyone can help please ? |
| 10:05.11 | rage | nope |
| 10:05.20 | blackelf | no |
| 10:05.31 | blackelf | fourat: just ask already |
| 10:05.35 | fourat | i did an upgrade from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 using unstable repos, and the system wont start with this new kernel, saying it does not find /dev/console (kernel panick) |
| 10:05.48 | lunitik | fourat: default kernels should be fine... if its self-compiled, you need to figure out what you did wrong yourself |
| 10:06.01 | lunitik | !tell fourat about repeat |
| 10:06.05 | ajdlinux | "upgrade from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 using unstable repos" |
| 10:06.16 | ajdlinux | i think that refers to a precompiled kernel... |
| 10:06.21 | shingouz | fourat: also are you sure your kernel is for the correct cpu? |
| 10:06.29 | fourat | sure |
| 10:06.31 | fourat | 386 |
| 10:06.55 | fourat | here's what i get with dpkg -l |
| 10:06.57 | fourat | ii kernel-image-2 2.4.27-10sarge Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386 |
| 10:06.57 | fourat | ii kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16sarge4 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 10:06.58 | JohnQ | and what cpu do you have? |
| 10:07.01 | tuv | are there any 386 kernels in unstable yet? |
| 10:07.29 | liable | fourat: do you have a sata controller? |
| 10:07.30 | tuv | i thought they are 486 and up now |
| 10:07.39 | fourat | yes |
| 10:07.39 | liable | tuv: 386 is dropped as of etch |
| 10:07.41 | blackelf | me to |
| 10:07.44 | lunitik | tuv: 386 has been dropped... lowest CPU supported is pentium... (486) |
| 10:07.47 | fourat | it's an xeaon scsi server |
| 10:07.55 | JohnQ | pentium != 486 |
| 10:08.06 | shingouz | fourat: that is a sarge =stable kernel, not unstable as you said.. |
| 10:08.07 | fourat | xeon |
| 10:08.08 | liable | fourat: did you change your menu.lst and fstab? |
| 10:08.08 | ajdlinux | pentium == 586 |
| 10:08.10 | rage | pentium as in 5ium |
| 10:08.21 | tuv | well he's saying he got a 386 kernel off unstable |
| 10:08.24 | fourat | liable, apt-get changed it automaticly |
| 10:08.35 | liable | fourat: um, are you sure? |
| 10:08.36 | ajdlinux | and also a 2.6.8 kernel from unstable... |
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| 10:08.47 | ajdlinux | are u using the net repos or a CD? |
| 10:08.48 | shingouz | tuv: 2.6.8-16sarge? :p |
| 10:08.51 | liable | fourat: i mean from hda to sda |
| 10:08.52 | fourat | tuv, maybe ot was downloaded from stable, because i have both stable and unstable in apt sources |
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| 10:08.54 | tarzeau | pinky: no it doesn't complain, k3b works fine with 0755 permissions |
| 10:09.08 | blackelf | why there is no "video" group? |
| 10:09.11 | blackelf | it was in debian before |
| 10:09.16 | liable | fourat: you might need to add modules to mkinitrd.conf for your controller |
| 10:09.17 | fourat | ajdlinux, net |
| 10:09.21 | blackelf | it is very usable for example for /dev/video |
| 10:09.24 | ajdlinux | iirc there is on my machine |
| 10:09.27 | fourat | liable, one seconf |
| 10:09.29 | fourat | liable, one second |
| 10:09.31 | liable | or whatever the hell sarge uses |
| 10:09.50 | pinky | tarzeau: That's dissapointing. I can't figure it out so I'm using SUID root as a temporary solution... I'm tired of running the whole program (K3b) as root. |
| 10:10.10 | ajdlinux | pinky: use k3bsetup |
| 10:10.13 | fourat | liable, it's hd |
| 10:10.23 | pinky | SGID cdrom didn't even work for me (yeah, my username is in the cdrom group), so meh... |
| 10:10.47 | tarzeau | pinky: i don't get what the problem is for you, but i remember i was disappointed too, and i didn't get it to work. i'm on stable. you? |
| 10:10.52 | pinky | ajdlinux: Grrr, I'm extremely frustrated with that <deleted> piece of <explative> |
| 10:10.57 | liable | fourat: generally, going from 2.4->2.6 changes hda->sda for sata contrllers |
| 10:11.06 | tarzeau | liable: not always |
| 10:11.12 | ajdlinux | pinky: did u use k3bsetup to auto setup permissions? |
| 10:11.16 | tarzeau | liable: there are exceptions, which yes, i find very confusing too |
| 10:11.26 | pinky | tarzeau: I run testing/Etch, and all my packages are the newest in the branch |
| 10:11.26 | liable | tarzeau: did you see the word "generally"? :P |
| 10:11.45 | tuv | k3b won't shutup until all the binary it uses are setuid root, even if a group is used. tarzeau, probably you chose to ignore the warning (checkbox) |
| 10:12.01 | tuv | binaries* |
| 10:12.02 | pinky | ajdlinux: No... k3bsetup isn't working for me, and it NEVER has. It just makes an annoying glass shattering sound and says it failed to update permission. |
| 10:12.17 | tarzeau | liable: now that you mention it |
| 10:12.18 | pinky | A REALLY WONDERFULLY descriptive error message *grumble grumble* |
| 10:12.25 | liable | tarzeau: heh :) |
| 10:12.41 | tarzeau | tuv: yes i've had to use k3bsetup to tell the bcrappy software to just work |
| 10:12.44 | ajdlinux | pinky: just to make sure, k3bsetup running as root? |
| 10:12.49 | tarzeau | tuv: this checkbox is soooo stupid |
| 10:12.54 | pinky | Yeah, tuv, I purposefully did not check that box. |
| 10:13.01 | pinky | ajdlinux: Yes, many many times. |
| 10:13.03 | tarzeau | pinky: what did you expect, it's KDE |
| 10:13.12 | ajdlinux | tarzeau: kde rulz |
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| 10:13.12 | tarzeau | pinky: and they think one user uses one computer |
| 10:13.20 | tarzeau | ajdlinux: my ass |
| 10:13.37 | pinky | tarzeau: I'm not even using KDE, but fwiw I DID try loading KDE to see if k3bsetup automagically decided to work, but nope! |
| 10:13.50 | liable | fourat: check which 2.6 kernel module supports your controler and add it to /etc/mkinitrd and reconfigure the 2.6 kernel |
| 10:14.13 | tarzeau | pinky: wait did you run k3bsetup as root and k3b as user, right? |
| 10:14.41 | pinky | ajdlinux: k3bsetup was only able to change the permissions on my /dev/hda and hdb device files. It gets a big fat "F" when it comes to changing the binary permissions on my system (cdrecord and cdrdao in particular). |
| 10:15.01 | liable | fourat: err, /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 10:15.03 | ajdlinux | grr....cdrecord is VERY ANNOYING |
| 10:15.08 | pinky | tarzeau: Yes, and whenever I ran K3b as user it would complain that cdrecord and cdrdao were not being run with root permissions. |
| 10:15.08 | tuv | pinky, here is what worked for me: 1) setuid root all the required binaries. 2) use cdrom group in k3bsetup. 3) chmod 4710 all the required binaries, except cdrecord 4754 |
| 10:15.31 | ajdlinux | even chmodding the binarie 4755 works |
| 10:15.37 | ajdlinux | binaries |
| 10:15.42 | tarzeau | ajdlinux: no, k3b is very annoying |
| 10:15.42 | pinky | tuv: I've got it working now, thanks... although why make cdrecord 4754? |
| 10:15.43 | tuv | pinky, this way only users in cdrom group can run the binaries |
| 10:16.06 | ajdlinux | not that that matters |
| 10:16.09 | tuv | pinky, otherwise k3b doesn't find cdrecord at all.. strange piece of software |
| 10:16.09 | tarzeau | pinky: and if you say "that's fine you piece of shit software, just do what i tell you!" ? |
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| 10:16.28 | tarzeau | tuv: but i AM in the cdrom group, OF COURSE |
| 10:16.44 | tarzeau | 4754 is very strange |
| 10:16.48 | pinky | I am as well. SUID root fixed everything |
| 10:16.58 | tuv | tarzeau, there is no way k3b is going to shutup unless the binaries are suid-root |
| 10:17.03 | pinky | I don't know why k3bsetup wasn't capable of doing that. |
| 10:17.03 | tarzeau | SUID root is not the right fix |
| 10:17.12 | tarzeau | tuv: bullshit |
| 10:17.16 | pinky | Well K3b seems to think so. |
| 10:17.30 | tarzeau | tuv: man do you want me to make screenshots or a movie? |
| 10:17.30 | pinky | That's the only way I got it to shut the hell up on my machine. |
| 10:17.33 | tuv | removing "x" from "other" makes sure the binaries are run suid for cdrom group only |
| 10:17.39 | tarzeau | tuv: what don't you understand from what i tell here? |
| 10:17.53 | ajdlinux | my cdrecord ISN'T suid or guid and it works |
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| 10:17.58 | tuv | tarzeau, i'm telling you what's happening on my system. i can make you a movie too :) |
| 10:18.00 | tarzeau | ajdlinux: exactly what i tell |
| 10:18.14 | tarzeau | tuv: make a movie and send it to all @kde.org and k3b developers |
| 10:18.17 | ice_1963 | k3b is the best :) |
| 10:18.24 | tarzeau | ice_1963: best piece of shit! |
| 10:18.26 | ajdlinux | ice_1963: agreed |
| 10:18.40 | tuv | agreed here too |
| 10:18.46 | tarzeau | software that acts different for different systems/users is CRAP |
| 10:18.56 | tarzeau | because supporting it gets a nightmare |
| 10:19.06 | ajdlinux | well, go to http://bugs.kde.org |
| 10:19.08 | ajdlinux | report it |
| 10:19.11 | tuv | pinky, did you manage to run k3b without suid'ing the binaries? |
| 10:19.29 | pinky | Well, I don't know how to get K3b to stop complaining about cdrecord and cdrdao not being run with root permissions then. I repeat: THE ONLY thing that has worked is manually suid root the binaries, because k3bsetup fails every time. |
| 10:19.31 | ice_1963 | tarzeau: you jest don't know how to use it yet :) |
| 10:19.40 | tarzeau | ice_1963: i don't use crap software at all |
| 10:19.48 | tuv | pinky, same here |
| 10:19.57 | pinky | tuv: I can run K3b without doing that as root fine, but as normal user it just complains about cdrecord and cdrdao not run as root |
| 10:20.04 | pinky | tuv: Are you on Sid or Etch? |
| 10:20.06 | ajdlinux | pinky, tuv: for the record my system works fine and cdrecord is set 755 as normal |
| 10:20.14 | tuv | pinky, mixed |
| 10:20.19 | ice_1963 | tarzeau: well what do you use? |
| 10:20.31 | tarzeau | ice_1963: cdrecord/cdrdao on commandline |
| 10:20.36 | pinky | ajdlinux: What branch of Debian? |
| 10:20.42 | tarzeau | ice_1963: but really i don't usually use any media but the network |
| 10:20.51 | ajdlinux | pinky: etch |
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| 10:20.56 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 10:20.58 | tuv | ajdlinux, it CAN work, but will complain everytime k3b is run and this complaining can be disabled |
| 10:21.01 | pinky | I burn far too many DVDs to use cdrecord on the CLI. |
| 10:21.14 | tarzeau | pinky: huh? |
| 10:21.16 | ice_1963 | ok lol |
| 10:21.17 | pinky | ajdlinux: Yeah, did you disable the complaining? |
| 10:21.25 | tarzeau | pinky: burning very often IS a reason to use the CLI |
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| 10:21.25 | ajdlinux | tuv: my k3b has never complained, even the system check in the help menu doesn't give anything |
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| 10:22.21 | pinky | tarzeau: No, wrong, not for what I do. Honestly it's not simple, organizing massive amounts of files and then strategically combining the right ones to try and fill the 4.39GiB that the DVD-5 can hold as MUCH as possible. |
| 10:22.21 | tuv | ajdlinux, k3b used cdrecord.mmap here so cdrecord's permissions won't matter |
| 10:22.41 | lunitik | tarzeau: caps lock broken? :P |
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| 10:22.45 | pinky | Yeah I have to change cdrecord.mmap and cdrdao |
| 10:23.15 | tuv | same here |
| 10:23.50 | pinky | tarzeau: If you do that several times a day often, then it's too much of a hassle *not* to have a GUI app to drag and drop stuff on before you burn, sizing up what can fit on and what can't using the graphical bar, automatically calculating how much space is left BEFORE it burns. |
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| 10:24.02 | tarzeau | pinky: i prefer mc |
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| 10:24.17 | tarzeau | pinky: ever heard of du? |
| 10:24.17 | pinky | tarzeau: mc? Is that another cdrecord frontend? |
| 10:24.25 | ajdlinux | tuv: ah, yes cdrecord.mmap is suid |
| 10:24.32 | tarzeau | pinky: mc (1) - Visual shell for Unix-like systems. |
| 10:24.35 | tuv | ajdlinux, there you go |
| 10:24.36 | pinky | ajdlinux: The plot thickens |
| 10:24.49 | pinky | midnight commander... right |
| 10:24.52 | lunitik | pinky: alias musiccd='cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --audio' ... alias datacd='cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data' (assuming cdrom is secondary master) |
| 10:24.59 | ajdlinux | my cdrecord.mmap is 4711 |
| 10:25.18 | lunitik | pinky: then you just type 'musiccd file1 file2' etc... or 'datacd some.iso' |
| 10:25.30 | tarzeau | -rws--x--- 1 root cdrom 355916 Feb 27 15:06 /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap |
| 10:25.40 | tarzeau | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 356332 Feb 27 15:06 /usr/bin/cdrecord.shm |
| 10:25.41 | tuv | tarzeau, see |
| 10:25.42 | ajdlinux | my one has x in the o column |
| 10:25.51 | pinky | lunitik: Read ^^ what I said for why I prefer a GUI application to burn the massive amounts of data DVD-5s that I do. |
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| 10:26.05 | tuv | tarzeau, k3b uses cdrecord.mmap, which is suid root on your system too |
| 10:26.13 | tarzeau | tuv: true |
| 10:26.26 | pinky | argghhh you say it wasn't suid! |
| 10:26.39 | pinky | And all that time I was trying to figure out how to get it working sans suid-root =[ |
| 10:26.52 | tuv | ajdlinux, 'cuz you have group root |
| 10:27.00 | lunitik | pinky: your point is invalid... it would SAVE you time to type 'datacd some.iso' with tab-completion etc rather than clicking around a GUI which requires more interaction to do simple things... |
| 10:27.10 | pinky | What about your /usr/bin/cdrdao tarzeau? |
| 10:27.28 | ice_1963 | dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord right |
| 10:27.38 | pinky | lunitik: datacd some.iso? What, doesn't that just burn an ISO to a CD? |
| 10:27.41 | tuv | lunitik, not if you have to worry about maximizing disk content size |
| 10:27.54 | pinky | tuv, you know what I'm talking about? |
| 10:28.01 | lunitik | pinky: see previous statement about aliases |
| 10:28.15 | tuv | pinky, i'm with you all the way ;) |
| 10:28.16 | tarzeau | -rws--x--- 1 root cdrom 566344 Jun 24 2004 /usr/bin/cdrdao |
| 10:28.32 | tuv | that settles it |
| 10:28.35 | pinky | phew |
| 10:29.09 | tuv | even setgid wasn't enough for k3b.. it has to be suid root |
| 10:29.21 | pinky | lunitik: Well it's usually DVDs I burn from a gigantic pool of files I organize beforehand, that I try and sort strategically to maximize space used on every single DVD. GUI tools for this job, are HANDS DOWN easier and more intuitive to work with. |
| 10:29.34 | tarzeau | so cdrecord will not work when not setuid root? |
| 10:29.37 | tarzeau | for a user? |
| 10:29.50 | pinky | tarzeau: It might. It's worked for me before. |
| 10:29.53 | tarzeau | ajdlinux: we don't support gnome/kde here |
| 10:29.53 | ajdlinux | lunitik: there is |
| 10:30.01 | tarzeau | ajdlinux: it's just xcdroast doesn't work with dvd burning |
| 10:30.04 | lunitik | ajdlinux: use? |
| 10:30.06 | ajdlinux | tarzeau: i know, i'm just kidding |
| 10:30.08 | pinky | But it also has produced more coasters for me that just running it as root. |
| 10:30.12 | ajdlinux | lunitik: use kdcop to browse |
| 10:30.13 | tarzeau | pinky: is it possilbe it used to work, and doesn't anymore? |
| 10:30.20 | ajdlinux | lunitik: then u can see more |
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| 10:30.28 | tarzeau | pinky: after all the cdrecord debian package has some debconf info/questions |
| 10:30.41 | tarzeau | pinky: telling you it'll work as root, if you want setuid it |
| 10:30.44 | lunitik | ajdlinux: point of dcop is so you don't have to click around... but I'll check it out, thank you |
| 10:31.06 | ajdlinux | lunitik: but just for browsing it so u can see the interface |
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| 10:31.15 | tarzeau | tuv: i've found graveman to have a very nice user interface |
| 10:31.19 | tarzeau | tuv: but it just doesn't work |
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| 10:31.23 | pinky | I believe I *can* burn CDs and *maybe* DVDs if I just run the cdrecord as normal user, but when I do use it like that, in my limited experiences I produce more coasters. |
| 10:31.31 | lunitik | ajdlinux: I have k3b installed, and don't see a dcop setting for it? |
| 10:31.42 | tarzeau | pinky: what says ls -la /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap |
| 10:31.44 | pinky | It's a much better idea for a higher burn success rate to run the binaries as root, for full control of the writer's cache, among other things. |
| 10:31.54 | pinky | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root cdrom 323540 2006-01-07 10:44 /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap |
| 10:32.01 | ajdlinux | lunitik: there is one |
| 10:32.11 | ajdlinux | lunitik: it also needs to be *running* |
| 10:32.15 | tarzeau | pinky: it runs as root, every time |
| 10:32.26 | pinky | tarzeau: I know, I just changed that TONIGHT |
| 10:32.36 | tuv | tarzeau, there has been a time when i went over all burning gui tools, and i went back to k3b then |
| 10:32.46 | tarzeau | tuv: and i've went back to command line |
| 10:32.59 | tarzeau | tuv: i used to use ecliptroaster and gsomething |
| 10:33.00 | lunitik | ajdlinux: bah, that defeats the purpose imo... if I have to click around to start it, I might as well use it :/ |
| 10:33.11 | pinky | tarzeau: Before now, if I ran K3b as a normal user it would give me an error and complain that cdrecord and cdrdao wouldn't run as root, and k3setup failed to fix this. |
| 10:33.11 | tarzeau | man gnome and kde just pick crap names for their software |
| 10:33.22 | ajdlinux | lunitik: you SCRIPT it, but u can SEE the interface with kdcop |
| 10:33.39 | tarzeau | pinky: well seems really it'll not work without the setuid root |
| 10:33.51 | pinky | Yeah, just figured that out tonight. |
| 10:34.02 | pinky | I've been running K3b as root this whole time. |
| 10:34.13 | tuv | tarzeau, if i find a handy way of finding out the optimal number of files and their names to fill my dvds in the command line, i'd leave k3b |
| 10:34.22 | pinky | Otherwise it just bitched about permissions, and k3bsetup, I repeat, completely FAILED |
| 10:34.29 | lunitik | ajdlinux: meh, well, thank you for pointing out kdcop ... |
| 10:34.37 | pinky | tuv: Thus far are situations have sounded pretty similar... did your k3bsetup fail to change permissions of binaries? |
| 10:35.01 | tuv | pinky, yes it did and still does |
| 10:35.13 | pinky | Did you just change it to make it work just now? |
| 10:35.46 | pinky | What did you do beforehand, run the whole thing as root like I did? |
| 10:36.10 | tuv | pinky, it was working and was suid root. i tried to use a group to limit the users allowed to use the binaries and got into trouble until i came back to suid root, with groups! |
| 10:36.14 | lunitik | Will there be a kdbus that allows similar things? |
| 10:36.20 | FalscherHase | hi. i tried to do the transition to python2.4 on testing. i had to manually rebuild the 2.4 modules for apt-proxy. now apt-proxy doesn't start and complains with "global name 're' is not defined". any ideas how to fix? |
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| 10:37.36 | pinky | tuv: I see. Well thus far K3b has been fine, except for this glaring issue (honestly how hard is it for k3bsetup to run 4 simple commands "chmod u+s /usr/bin/cdrdao"?) which annoyed the hell out of me. |
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| 10:38.22 | tuv | pinky, the scary thing is that this problem has been there for a while.. k3bsetup not doing its work |
| 10:38.37 | tuv | however trivial it is |
| 10:39.31 | tuv | the other kde app i faild to find a gnome alternative for is amarok |
| 10:39.55 | tuv | i have to admit, amarok is great! although somewhat unstable |
| 10:40.33 | pinky | I agree completely. |
| 10:41.01 | pinky | I definately use both K3b and Amarok, and love the latter (although I wish libvisual 0.4.0 would make it into testing already so I can get 1.4.1) |
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| 10:43.01 | pinky | Yeah, that issue with k3bsetup is GLARING... I mean as far as I've seen it's the most viable CD/DVD burning suite for GNU/Linux (especially when thinking of the fated "average user"), and this does put a damper on things working correctly. |
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| 10:48.12 | tarzeau | does your sarge/stable firefox/mozilla/galeon on linux crash if you go www.swiss.ch type in zurich, stockholm and hit search ? |
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| 10:51.44 | lloy0076 | My /var/lib/dpkg/info directory got blown up - I know that one can apt-get --reinstall install [the package] -- but is there an easy way to fix the WHOLE heap of packages I have installed?? |
| 10:52.10 | tarzeau | lloy0076: maybe with dselect |
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| 10:53.36 | lunitik | tarzeau: you have flash installed? linux browsers hated flash back then, and resulting page has a flash animation (searching animation) |
| 10:53.53 | tarzeau | lunitik: yes i got flash and other flash pages work |
| 10:54.01 | tarzeau | lunitik: konqueror hangs also |
| 10:54.08 | tarzeau | lunitik: links2 -g, dillo work |
| 10:54.41 | lunitik | tarzeau: I'm using konqueror and firefox here... although not sarge... just thought I'd see if there was anything in particular that might be wrong... |
| 10:54.53 | tarzeau | lunitik: do they both work? |
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| 10:55.02 | lunitik | tarzeau: konqueror does... |
| 10:55.21 | tarzeau | lunitik: not so this version: ii konqueror 3.3.2-1sarge1 KDE's advanced File Manager, Web Browser and |
| 10:56.34 | lunitik | tarzeau: compared to firefox here, I'd consider konqueror to be hanging... (takes like 2 secs for firefox to fire up results... konqi still hadn't after 5-10 secs...) |
| 10:56.56 | tarzeau | lunitik: funny |
| 10:57.22 | lunitik | tarzeau: and thats newest konqi, with many speed improvements etc... |
| 10:57.32 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's still KDE |
| 10:58.03 | tarzeau | lunitik: i'll try it if it's as fast as links2 -g |
| 10:58.09 | lunitik | tarzeau: lots of difference between 3.3.x and 3.5.x ... especially wrt speed... |
| 10:58.28 | tarzeau | lunitik: logging in is fast now, like one second? |
| 10:58.35 | lunitik | tarzeau: konqi is _noticeably_ faster in 3.5.4 over 3.5.3 even... |
| 10:59.02 | tarzeau | lunitik: if only the user interface wasn't that horrible |
| 10:59.05 | tuv | anyone plays winning eleven |
| 10:59.06 | tuv | ? |
| 10:59.13 | lunitik | tarzeau: that is also faster actually... not one second though... I'd say a fair estimate is 7 seconds here... |
| 10:59.17 | pinky | Hey, so I'm slightly confused as to whether or not MP3 is considered a "free" audio format. Obviously there are patents covering it, but other than those it's free is it not? I mean in 2010 it'll be free for sure, but until then can it really be considered truly non-free? |
| 10:59.22 | tarzeau | or www.mtp-target.org ? or bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 10:59.23 | lunitik | tarzeau: change it? |
| 10:59.39 | pinky | Or it can, because in many countries it's technically not legal to compile source code for a Free software MP3 encoder? |
| 10:59.42 | lunitik | tarzeau: widgets are themeable etc... |
| 11:00.10 | pinky | Even so, it seems to be non-free in a different way than, say, WMA. |
| 11:00.14 | lunitik | tarzeau: most gtk themes are available for qt... and you can make kde like any other desktop... |
| 11:00.47 | lunitik | tarzeau: 3.4.x and 3.5.x do offer better usability though... |
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| 11:00.55 | waiting | pinky: mp3 should not be used. |
| 11:01.13 | lunitik | tarzeau: 3.3.x had a rather thrown together feel if I recall... |
| 11:01.23 | pinky | waiting: That doesn't really answer my question. |
| 11:01.28 | tarzeau | lunitik: can i make it like GNUstep ? |
| 11:01.33 | tuv | pinky, ogg produces smaller files with higher quality! |
| 11:01.37 | eps | some one please take a look at this and see what they think? http://sh.nu/p/2631 |
| 11:01.39 | waiting | tuv: agreed |
| 11:01.41 | lunitik | tarzeau: define "like gnustep" |
| 11:01.47 | pinky | waiting: if it makes you feel any better, I never encode things to MP3 myself. I usually use FLAC for lossless and Vorbis for lossy. |
| 11:01.53 | tarzeau | lunitik: does it look and feel like www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ ? |
| 11:01.58 | waiting | pinky: my feelings are not subject |
| 11:02.05 | tuv | pinky, i do :P |
| 11:02.09 | tarzeau | pinky, waiting i do for my hardware mp3 player |
| 11:02.16 | lunitik | tarzeau: you can have right click menu's... you can have similar widgets to the things wmaker displays on the desktop... etc |
| 11:02.28 | waiting | I have no usch thing as a "hardware mp3 player" |
| 11:02.31 | tuv | pinky, actually i did.. but recently discovered how much better ogg is |
| 11:02.32 | tarzeau | pinky: apropos, tried apt-get install opencubicplayer , the music player? launch with ocp |
| 11:02.45 | tarzeau | lunitik: and the main menu in a different movable window? |
| 11:02.46 | lunitik | tarzeau: you can even use motif style widgets *shudder* |
| 11:02.48 | pinky | I'm asking if MP3 can be considered truly non-free merely because of the patents covering it? And if that's true, it will become a truly FREE format in 2010 when those patents expire, correct? |
| 11:03.02 | tarzeau | lunitik: really it's simple what i want, i want it to be like OPENSTEP was |
| 11:03.13 | waiting | pinky: ok, well. |
| 11:03.19 | tarzeau | pinky: in what countries? |
| 11:03.20 | lunitik | tarzeau: no... closest is openstep of today (mac os x style menu bar...) |
| 11:03.24 | waiting | pinky: the idea is that software can be patented |
| 11:03.26 | tarzeau | pinky: debian has many mp3 players in main |
| 11:03.35 | waiting | pinky: this idea is not accepted everywhere |
| 11:03.39 | tarzeau | lunitik: i don't like mac os x style at all |
| 11:03.44 | tralala | pinky: if they expire |
| 11:04.08 | pinky | waiting: I know, only in places software patents matter. It's a non-free format there, because Free software encoders are illegal. |
| 11:04.11 | waiting | pinky: so, as a matter of fact, in those places where software can not be patented, a patent on a software such as mp3 does not make it non-free |
| 11:04.16 | lunitik | tarzeau: you can make KDE _very_ similar... and they are more open to adding things that users want than example gnome... but right now, it wouldn't be the same, no |
| 11:04.17 | pinky | They infringe on the patents |
| 11:04.29 | waiting | pinky: the patents have no legal value here |
| 11:04.33 | lunitik | tarzeau: Kazbar would make you at home though :P |
| 11:04.35 | pinky | Where's here? |
| 11:04.44 | waiting | pinky: where I am :D |
| 11:04.45 | tarzeau | lunitik: url for Kazbar? |
| 11:05.01 | tarzeau | pinky: debian infringes patents? |
| 11:05.04 | pinky | waiting: Well not here in the USA. |
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| 11:05.12 | waiting | pinky: your problem ;) |
| 11:05.19 | tarzeau | tuv: no it doesn't |
| 11:05.32 | tarzeau | and etch is not yet released, but the tasksel is stupid anyways |
| 11:05.53 | tuv | tarzeau, because "desktop environment" doesn't install kde? |
| 11:05.55 | tuv | :D |
| 11:05.56 | lunitik | tarzeau: http://harryinidaho.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/kde-lai_feel-gkrellm_blux-xmms_lain-kasbar.jpg.w560h420.jpg |
| 11:05.59 | waiting | if I had the time to worry about the non-free states, I would give my attention to places where this worry is more urgent first |
| 11:06.01 | pinky | I'm asking because I know this is why LAME is called what it is, because it cannot be distributed in binary form in countries where the patent is legally enforcable... a Free software MP3 encoder infringes on their patents. |
| 11:06.09 | lunitik | tarzeau: an example, I'm sure you can guess what is kasbar there... |
| 11:06.12 | tarzeau | tuv: yes it does |
| 11:06.23 | tarzeau | tuv: both, gnome and kde, and they don't check if there's enough disk space... |
| 11:06.41 | tarzeau | lunitik: you made my firefox crap browser crash |
| 11:06.45 | tarzeau | lunitik: and it looks ugly too |
| 11:06.58 | tarzeau | lunitik: i really like it how it exactly looks at www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 11:06.59 | tuv | tarzeau, all my recent etch installations have only gnome and no kde and i use tasksel's "desktop environment" |
| 11:07.05 | tarzeau | lunitik: with the black sharp boxes |
| 11:07.22 | tarzeau | tuv: then debian is getting gnome biased |
| 11:07.39 | lunitik | tarzeau: that user just set it to transparent... doesn't have to be |
| 11:07.47 | tarzeau | lunitik: ah |
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| 11:07.58 | waiting | pinky: however, to answer your question, I think that if the mp3 patent held by the frauenhofer institute is applicable in the USA that would make an application that does not license this patent sufficiently a patent infringement |
| 11:08.05 | tarzeau | tuv: i've never used that selection in tasksel after i found out what it does |
| 11:08.12 | waiting | pinky: I mean, that's logical, right? |
| 11:08.13 | tarzeau | (install a whole bunch of crap) |
| 11:08.25 | lunitik | tarzeau: http://dot.kde.org/989854861/989969114/crop-medium-grouping-ui.png as an example of not transparent... |
| 11:08.42 | pinky | waiting: Right. Hence LAME = LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder, only distrubuted as source code legally here. It's illegal in the US to compile LAME, I believe. |
| 11:08.54 | lunitik | tarzeau: at least I don't think thats transparent, although the main bar is still same color as the desktop... meh |
| 11:08.55 | waiting | pinky: so my short answer "mp3 should not be used" has something, I think |
| 11:08.56 | tuv | tarzeau, i used to use it since i like variety.. i sometimes have around 5 desktop environments installed |
| 11:09.09 | tuv | tarzeau, and i always go back to gnome. |
| 11:09.16 | pinky | But in 2010 if those patents expire, I believe MP3 will be 100% a free format in the whole world, right? |
| 11:09.20 | tuv | i liked enlightenment, but found it less productive |
| 11:09.29 | tarzeau | lunitik: but do you see the menus top right here? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/installer.png |
| 11:09.29 | liable | tuv: um, doesnt tasksel install both? |
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| 11:09.46 | pinky | waiting: Like I said, I don't encode to it myself, but a LOT of things I download, like music and movies use MP3 |
| 11:09.47 | liable | tuv: try e17, its quite nice |
| 11:09.48 | tuv | liable, as far as i know, not anymore |
| 11:09.59 | tarzeau | tuv: i've tried them several times since every major versions starting kde from 0.9x and gnome 1.x |
| 11:10.02 | lunitik | tarzeau: ahh ha, proof its configurable: http://xmelegance.org/kasbar/kasbar-maxboxes-2.png :P |
| 11:10.02 | waiting | pinky: well, I for my part do not care because I am not bound by matters of hardware to the mp3 format |
| 11:10.04 | tarzeau | tuv: and i never liked both |
| 11:10.05 | tuv | liable, i did try it on elive |
| 11:10.10 | waiting | pinky: but it sounds logical, too |
| 11:10.30 | tarzeau | lunitik: these are just icons. i want the menus placeable where i want |
| 11:10.34 | tuv | liable, but until it is easily installable on debian, i'll wait |
| 11:10.42 | lunitik | tarzeau: you can do that... too... although I'm not sure where to set tear off menu's... |
| 11:10.46 | tarzeau | lunitik: you know i've got a 3x2 meter display with 3200x1600 resolution |
| 11:10.47 | pinky | waiting: I'm not bound to it technologically speaking... I could transcode everything I have to another lossy format, but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons. |
| 11:10.57 | tarzeau | lunitik: and it's annoying to move the mouse so far |
| 11:11.11 | tarzeau | gtk/gnome don't have it on by default anymore |
| 11:11.15 | waiting | pinky: I know, millions of files stacked up in mp3 format before a decent alternative was available |
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| 11:11.21 | tarzeau | it's also very annoying in windows xp start menu |
| 11:11.28 | lunitik | tarzeau: like I said, although not set by default, you can tear off menu's etc... and keep them around... |
| 11:11.34 | tarzeau | lunitik: their filebrowsers are the worst |
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| 11:11.43 | lunitik | tarzeau: its actually annoying trying to put toolbars back etc though... |
| 11:11.45 | pinky | waiting: And it's still sticking around. Any way you look at it, that day in 2010 will be good for everyone. |
| 11:11.49 | tarzeau | lunitik: maybe they've already disabled it completely |
| 11:12.08 | pinky | Except the patent holders -P |
| 11:12.21 | waiting | pinky: maybe. the root of the problem is the notion that "software" an be "patented" |
| 11:12.28 | sysdef | he girls, what's up with http://women.debian.org ? please check the menu :s |
| 11:12.36 | lunitik | tarzeau: ever looked into krusader ? (based on mc...) |
| 11:12.43 | pinky | waiting: Oh, I'm aware. |
| 11:12.50 | tuv | tarzeau, a decent gui file browser has never existed yet |
| 11:12.53 | waiting | pinky: it's like patenting math |
| 11:12.55 | pinky | waiting: I read /. =] |
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| 11:12.58 | tarzeau | tuv: yes it has, the one in OPENSTEP |
| 11:13.02 | tarzeau | tuv: ever used it? |
| 11:13.06 | tuv | no |
| 11:13.15 | tarzeau | tuv: then your statement is subjective |
| 11:13.23 | pinky | tuv: You don't like nautilus? |
| 11:13.28 | tarzeau | tuv: tried the one on mac os x? |
| 11:13.35 | pinky | You mean... Finder? |
| 11:13.36 | tarzeau | pinky: haha that crashes before you press anything |
| 11:13.39 | tarzeau | pinky: NO |
| 11:13.39 | tuv | pinky, i like it until it crashes, which is quite frequent |
| 11:13.48 | tarzeau | pinky: ah yes the new finder, but yes just ONE view of it |
| 11:13.56 | pinky | It doesn't crash often for me. |
| 11:14.18 | tuv | pinky, it's been much better lately, but if you push it, it's bound to crash |
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| 11:14.22 | pinky | I've never really liked Finder, and I've been using it for over 15 years now |
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| 11:14.34 | pinky | Well, maybe just 15 years. |
| 11:14.37 | tarzeau | pinky: but do you know which view i mean? |
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| 11:14.46 | tarzeau | pinky: AND NO FINDER of MAC is not the same like the MAC OS X one |
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| 11:14.58 | tarzeau | that's why i gave _OPENSTEP_ so much weight |
| 11:15.05 | tarzeau | but people nowadays don't know it anymore |
| 11:15.15 | pinky | tarzeau: I'm aware that Finder's version changes when the Macintosh OS version changes. |
| 11:15.19 | tuv | tarzeau, got any screenshots? maybe i'll remember it if i've seen it |
| 11:15.27 | tarzeau | pinky: ok forget finder. finder sucks |
| 11:15.29 | mrcoyote | yep |
| 11:15.32 | DocTomoe | Hi, I am in search of an idiots howto to apache2 SSL key generation (I tried http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284, but it is somewhat overkill. I really only need a certificate) |
| 11:15.33 | tarzeau | tuv: i'm searching |
| 11:15.51 | pinky | tuv: You can install a wm on Debian that looks a lot like OpenStep... apt-get install afterstep |
| 11:15.51 | tarzeau | tuv: it's so great, nobody has screenshots of it :) it's so simple and great you know |
| 11:15.54 | tarzeau | pinky: it's NOT THE SAME |
| 11:15.57 | pinky | Ahhh |
| 11:16.02 | pinky | Okay enough with the caps man |
| 11:16.06 | pinky | chill =P |
| 11:16.11 | tarzeau | pinky: but yes the gnustep file browser is good, it's the same |
| 11:16.23 | tarzeau | i'm just pointing out it's not just the look and it's not a window manager |
| 11:16.56 | lunitik | tarzeau: its an entire old fashioned environment :P |
| 11:17.38 | tarzeau | lunitik: old is different, and modern is different, and new is different |
| 11:18.02 | tarzeau | lunitik: oh i don't care about linux users |
| 11:18.17 | lunitik | tarzeau: I don't really either... just saying |
| 11:18.37 | pinky | Well in any case, tuv you can still apt-get install afterstep and check it out. |
| 11:18.53 | lunitik | tarzeau: I'd use GNU or FreeBSD etc if it offered similar modern functionality to what Linux provides the desktop... |
| 11:19.09 | tuv | is it very different from windowMaker? |
| 11:19.19 | tarzeau | lunitik, pinky: http://www120.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/intro.htmld/fv1.gif |
| 11:19.21 | tarzeau | tuv: yes |
| 11:19.30 | tarzeau | tuv: windowmaker ui is some own little thing which is buggy |
| 11:19.36 | lunitik | tuv: WMaker uses GNUStep... think Gnome and GTK... |
| 11:19.37 | tarzeau | tuv: it looks like it, and feels like crap |
| 11:19.40 | lunitik | tarzeau: huh? |
| 11:19.42 | eps | what is the tool to scan hdds for bad sectors (eg scandisc clone?) |
| 11:19.45 | tarzeau | lunitik: no, wmaker doesn't use gnustep |
| 11:19.59 | tarzeau | lunitik: only applications/tools/software that links against gnustep libraries use gnustep |
| 11:20.00 | lunitik | tarzeau: install WMaker, you get a .gnustep ... but if you say so... |
| 11:20.06 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's just a file |
| 11:20.18 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's braindead that wmaker call their config files not .wmaker but .gnustep |
| 11:20.28 | tarzeau | lunitik: really try ldd /usr/bin/wmaker |
| 11:20.36 | tarzeau | eps: badblocks |
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| 11:20.42 | tarzeau | eps: hd vendors have their own |
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| 11:20.57 | eps | tarzeau thanks :) |
| 11:21.04 | tarzeau | lunitik, pinky: do you see what's clever about that file browser? |
| 11:21.28 | lunitik | tarzeau: not really... :( |
| 11:21.30 | tarzeau | lunitik, pinky: first thing, it's resizable, 2nd. you can jump many directory levels up/down, 3rd you can set bookmarks on top |
| 11:21.43 | tarzeau | lunitik: that's because nobody has shown to you, and you couldn't try to feel it up |
| 11:21.51 | tuv | eps, if it's an ext2/3 partition use e2fsck instead |
| 11:22.02 | eps | e2fsck -c? |
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| 11:22.41 | eps | mmm how do I get it to dump the results to me so I can see if the drive is dying |
| 11:22.47 | tarzeau | lunitik, pinky another nice thing is drag and drop, to say Terminal.app |
| 11:22.58 | tarzeau | lunitik: gnome/kde miss this completely |
| 11:23.15 | tarzeau | windows has it inconsistently partly, and mac os x makes it not simpler |
| 11:23.21 | pinky | I think I'd have to use it. |
| 11:23.24 | tarzeau | eps: man badblocks |
| 11:23.28 | lunitik | tarzeau: you can do similar things, with effort, with konqueror... and krusader makes it even easier to do the split view thing |
| 11:23.36 | eps | tarzeau mmm reading through it |
| 11:23.41 | eps | it returns number codes :| |
| 11:23.49 | tarzeau | lunitik: i've never seen it like that, but if you can show me screenshots? |
| 11:23.58 | tarzeau | eps: -v ? |
| 11:23.58 | tuv | eps, yes -c. is dumpe2fs -b what you're looking for? |
| 11:24.01 | lunitik | tarzeau: I can drag things to the terminal... would show full path to file... |
| 11:24.12 | tarzeau | lunitik: aha |
| 11:24.20 | tarzeau | lunitik: to any terminal? |
| 11:24.24 | tarzeau | lunitik: to an editor? |
| 11:24.26 | eps | tuv just looking for a way to see if there is a problem |
| 11:24.29 | tarzeau | lunitik: to other applications? |
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| 11:24.37 | tarzeau | lunitik: another one GREAT thing is the services menu... |
| 11:24.42 | lunitik | tarzeau: yes... yes... yes... |
| 11:24.49 | tuv | eps, man dumpe2fs and check the -b option.. it's probably what you want |
| 11:25.00 | HuK0B | <HuK0B> hi I have a question about one rule -A POSTROUTING -s 10.244.50.0/255.255.255.0 -d ! 10.244.0.0/255.255.240.0 -o eth1.574 -j SNAT --to-source ... how I can make the rule to make SNAT not only to this 10.244.0.0/255.255.240.0 but I want except 192.168.0.0/16 too |
| 11:25.00 | HuK0B | <HuK0B> I tryed that -A POSTROUTING -s 10.244.50.0/255.255.255.0 -d ! 10.244.0.0/255.255.240.0,192.168.0.0/16 -o eth1.574 -j SNAT --to-source |
| 11:25.00 | HuK0B | <HuK0B> but give me error |
| 11:25.00 | HuK0B | <HuK0B> I can't make it wit , I tryed with space too but still some error |
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| 11:25.11 | HuK0B | ? |
| 11:25.14 | tarzeau | lunitik: and you can launch documents for printing, working on from commandline? using a tool called open or start or so? |
| 11:25.22 | tarzeau | HuK0B: don't flood |
| 11:25.27 | HuK0B | ok |
| 11:25.29 | blondie | HuK0B: read your kick messages :P |
| 11:25.35 | HuK0B | but can your help me pls |
| 11:25.41 | blondie | !pls |
| 11:25.41 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 11:25.45 | blondie | :D |
| 11:25.55 | tarzeau | blondie: are you serious? 13:25 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from HuK0B: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 11:26.07 | blondie | lol |
| 11:26.12 | tarzeau | !nickometer HuK0B |
| 11:26.13 | eps | grr the file system can't be mounted |
| 11:26.14 | dpkg | 'HuK0B' is 97.390% lame, tarzeau |
| 11:26.21 | HuK0B | uff nvm |
| 11:26.23 | HuK0B | you can't help me |
| 11:26.36 | blondie | HuK0B: #iptables |
| 11:26.41 | tuv | eps, after the scan? |
| 11:26.51 | eps | tuv no |
| 11:26.57 | eps | zoidberg:/var/log# e2fsck -cpv /dev/hde |
| 11:26.57 | eps | e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/hde |
| 11:26.57 | eps | Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? |
| 11:27.01 | liable | hah |
| 11:27.14 | liable | !nickometer TARZEAU |
| 11:27.16 | dpkg | 'TARZEAU' is 99.830% lame, liable |
| 11:27.18 | tuv | eps, you have to unmount a partition to scan it |
| 11:27.19 | eps | lol |
| 11:27.21 | liable | :P |
| 11:27.47 | eps | tuv lets see what happens when I unmount root :P |
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| 11:28.00 | liable | tarzeau: sorry, couldnt help it :) |
| 11:28.21 | tarzeau | liable: that's fine =) |
| 11:28.22 | lunitik | tarzeau: closest I can find right now: http://research.iat.sfu.ca/wiki/images/a/af/Konqueror_dragndrop.png |
| 11:28.35 | lunitik | tarzeau: can of course have more, and list view... |
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| 11:28.48 | tarzeau | lunitik: and you can have many of those splits? all equal auto sized and list? |
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| 11:28.51 | kryl | hi |
| 11:28.54 | lunitik | tarzeau: also can have favorates or "bookmarks" down the side... not the same, but similar |
| 11:29.01 | tuv | eps, use a live cd like knoppix |
| 11:29.02 | tarzeau | lunitik: and always have it be like that, all open,save menus? |
| 11:29.09 | lunitik | tarzeau: no idea about maintaining same size etc |
| 11:29.13 | eps | tuv already looking for a live cd :P |
| 11:29.13 | kryl | I just want to know if it is possible to use a boot partition in LVM2 with grub ? |
| 11:29.23 | tarzeau | lunitik: that's the things i want, if it doesn't have that, it's not excellent |
| 11:29.40 | lunitik | tarzeau: yes, can "Save View Profile" |
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| 11:30.28 | lunitik | tarzeau: I never said it'd be *EXACTLY* the same... but can certainly get pretty damn close... of course, its not GNUStep, so it will never be exactly the same... |
| 11:30.40 | tuv | eps, i'm not sure about badblocks checking, but you can force fsck on boot using /etc/default/rcS and the shutdown command |
| 11:31.17 | eps | thanks |
| 11:31.21 | liable | or make /forcefsck file |
| 11:31.32 | tuv | right |
| 11:31.52 | tarzeau | lunitik: i'll try it, should boot linux once again (it's been months) |
| 11:33.38 | lunitik | tarzeau: what you using right now? OpenBSD? |
| 11:34.06 | tarzeau | lunitik: right now i'm at work and using Debian GNU/Linux (sarge), but i've got shells on sid and GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 11:34.12 | tarzeau | lunitik: at home i use OPENSTEP and Windows XP |
| 11:34.26 | tarzeau | 4.2 of OPENSTEP that is |
| 11:34.37 | lunitik | tarzeau: ew |
| 11:34.44 | tarzeau | ew? |
| 11:34.50 | tarzeau | plenty enough to play nethack |
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| 11:35.20 | lunitik | tarzeau: btw, I don't seem to be able to find a way to seperate individual menu's from kmenu... I swear I've seen it though, if I find it, I'll let you know... |
| 11:35.26 | k-man | hmm... i think the apt entry on jre is out of date |
| 11:35.29 | tarzeau | lunitik: thank you |
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| 11:39.36 | sepho | hi all! |
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| 11:43.35 | backz | Hi, I need help with kernel and grub, please look: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cTNiRo36.html |
| 11:43.51 | backz | if I install linux-image, I'm requesting to remove grub. Why |
| 11:43.53 | backz | ? |
| 11:44.02 | backz | I'm using it from backports |
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| 11:44.12 | lunitik | tarzeau: you'd need to change it via dcop... 'dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 0,50' for example... |
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| 11:44.16 | tarzeau | can i have dualscreen textmode? |
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| 11:44.22 | lunitik | tarzeau: not the best way to do such things imo |
| 11:44.36 | lunitik | tarzeau: disabled in default KDE though :( |
| 11:44.38 | tarzeau | lunitik: does that command require additional software/packages? |
| 11:44.45 | tarzeau | lunitik: so i build my own kde for just this? |
| 11:44.52 | lunitik | tarzeau: nope |
| 11:45.27 | lunitik | tarzeau: see kdcop for a browseable interface... dcop is one of the things that makes kde great though... accessable via scripts... |
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| 11:46.10 | lunitik | tarzeau: also, things like kparts, and kio ... making applications fully integrateable... |
| 11:46.25 | tarzeau | lunitik: can i use dcop to set the k3bsetup checkbox on top? |
| 11:46.40 | tarzeau | lunitik: i tried and got very frustrated by not finding docs/people to help me do that little thing |
| 11:46.43 | lunitik | tarzeau: you can use dcop to do most anything... |
| 11:46.52 | tarzeau | lunitik: you say i can access it with scripts? then you can tell me how exactly? |
| 11:47.37 | lunitik | tarzeau: 'dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 0,50' is an example... can throw that in a script and set it for all users that run script... |
| 11:48.07 | tarzeau | lunitik: ok but i want to run as root the k3bsetup and and have the cdrom group thingy enabled |
| 11:48.18 | lunitik | tarzeau: there are of course more powerful things that would be more interesting to access via scripts... but that'll work as an example |
| 11:48.20 | tarzeau | can i do that very simple thing? |
| 11:48.28 | tarzeau | in openstep/gnustep you can do this stuff to useing defaults |
| 11:48.41 | tarzeau | it's just that k3bsetup little thingy that i want |
| 11:48.43 | tarzeau | scripted |
| 11:48.46 | tarzeau | is that possible? |
| 11:49.21 | backz | is linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 the correct kernel to CPU AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+? |
| 11:49.35 | blondie | backz: yes |
| 11:49.36 | lunitik | tarzeau: ahh... you'd need to run k3bsetup via roots dcop... |
| 11:49.41 | backz | blondie, ok |
| 11:49.43 | lunitik | tarzeau: not sure thats possible |
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| 11:50.29 | tarzeau | lunitik: that's fine i want to do that |
| 11:50.43 | tarzeau | i was able to do that , but i don't know which parameters |
| 11:51.11 | tarzeau | lunitik: that's what i want to script, the cd/dvd-r(w) k3b for many computers |
| 11:51.15 | lunitik | tarzeau: you can run kdcop as root while k3bsetup is running as root... apears to be an option for it... |
| 11:51.24 | tarzeau | that would make kde a little tiny bit more sympathetic to me |
| 11:51.30 | tarzeau | lunitik: i did so |
| 11:51.40 | tarzeau | lunitik: but i didn't find the checkbox option parameters |
| 11:52.09 | tarzeau | is it possible it isn't possible because the creators of the software didn't use dcop features, becuase dcopfeatures make programming alot harder? |
| 11:52.16 | backz | How i check if my grub is correct withou restart it and how I check what is option selected by default? |
| 11:52.25 | tarzeau | the great thing for openstep/gnustep is, defaults system makes it alot easier, that's why all apps use it |
| 11:52.28 | backz | (on kernel image select) |
| 11:52.35 | tarzeau | and that's why there's nothing you can't default script on those systems |
| 11:52.41 | tarzeau | this is what i love, consistency |
| 11:52.49 | tarzeau | for the developer as well as for the user, and simplicity |
| 11:54.21 | lunitik | tarzeau: dcop accesses all application functions for apps that are running... you just have to know the correct function... and I'm not that knowledgeable... I only use it for some things... |
| 11:54.44 | lunitik | tarzeau: #kde and google would be more enlightening if you really wish to learn about certain things... |
| 11:54.56 | liable | backz: the first kernel is the default (in menu.lst) |
| 11:55.18 | backz | liable, ok |
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| 11:55.49 | lunitik | tarzeau: the dcop function I told you, that was something a #kde regular told me, as I couldn't find it originally... |
| 11:56.56 | lunitik | tarzeau: remember: kde was written by programmers, for programmers, so most things you want, especially related to administration etc, are probably thought of... |
| 11:57.15 | lunitik | tarzeau: although, I think what you want would be better accomplished via kiosk... |
| 11:57.57 | lunitik | (setting something for all users you administer...) |
| 11:59.25 | tarzeau | lunitik: i wasn't able to figure out using #kde nor google :( |
| 11:59.34 | tarzeau | lunitik: i've tried hard for about one week |
| 11:59.40 | tarzeau | lunitik: then gave up on it completely |
| 11:59.53 | lunitik | tarzeau: there is even a graphical interface: kiosktool ... although its very ugly imo... |
| 11:59.54 | tarzeau | lunitik: and i don't want to spend any more second for this, unless someone can say "here this command" |
| 12:00.02 | tarzeau | lunitik: i know i know all about them |
| 12:00.04 | tarzeau | lunitik: i TRIED THEM |
| 12:00.09 | tarzeau | but nobody was able to help me |
| 12:00.13 | lunitik | tarzeau: :( |
| 12:00.24 | tarzeau | don't you see, how despairing it is for me? |
| 12:00.27 | tarzeau | i really tried |
| 12:00.38 | tarzeau | lunitik: btw kiosk |
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| 12:00.44 | tarzeau | lunitik: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/ |
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| 12:01.29 | lunitik | tarzeau: ahh... never heard of that... anything has to be better than kiosktool though... |
| 12:01.38 | Akatemik | Ok... my bug got a request for full dmesg. Is there an easier way than pen&paper when in busybox and mount not working? |
| 12:01.58 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's for web kiosks |
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| 12:02.09 | lunitik | tarzeau: I'm sorry I can't enlighten you further, wish I could... I don't have much experience with KDE in a network settings really |
| 12:02.11 | liable | Akatemik: you cant mount/read the / |
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| 12:02.15 | tarzeau | Akatemik: dmesg > file ? |
| 12:02.26 | Akatemik | tarzeau: How to get it out of the ramdisk? |
| 12:02.31 | deedit | Hi@All |
| 12:02.34 | tarzeau | Akatemik: ah you don't get a shell? |
| 12:02.40 | Akatemik | tarzeau: I have busybox :/ |
| 12:02.41 | tarzeau | Akatemik: maybe /var/log/dmesg* ? |
| 12:02.48 | tarzeau | Akatemik: that's all you need, got network? |
| 12:02.58 | Akatemik | Does busybox have net tools? |
| 12:03.15 | tarzeau | Akatemik: telnet or nc at least |
| 12:03.16 | liable | Akatemik: you cant chroot from busybox? |
| 12:03.24 | tarzeau | liable: even better, yes |
| 12:04.00 | Akatemik | liable: Without being able to mount? No, I doubt it. |
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| 12:04.08 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 12:04.23 | Akatemik | tarzeau: Hmm, netcat would do, yes. |
| 12:04.28 | liable | Akatemik: i thought you said earlier you could mount/chroot? did it break more? |
| 12:04.46 | Akatemik | liable: From Knoppix, yes. |
| 12:04.57 | Akatemik | But I'm supposed to get the dmesg from the not working kernel, in which I cannot mount. |
| 12:04.59 | Morbus | g'day. i just ordered a dedicated server, and then put debian 3.1 on it. However, they installed mysql 4.0.x via apt-get, it appears. What's the best and most recommended process for me to use MySQL 4.1.x? I know very little about Debian. |
| 12:05.41 | deedit | here one speaks German |
| 12:05.52 | Ronin | !de |
| 12:05.52 | liable | Akatemik: so do it from knoppix and give them kern.log (if it even started when the debian kernel booted) |
| 12:05.52 | dpkg | i guess de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:06.01 | deedit | HI |
| 12:06.15 | Akatemik | liable: Ummm, I doubt there is kern.log when the / hasn't mounted |
| 12:06.31 | Akatemik | Kinda hard to write logs without harddrives |
| 12:06.40 | liable | point |
| 12:06.51 | Akatemik | liable: You are starting to see my problem :) |
| 12:07.02 | deedit | kannst du mir eine Hp entfehlen, wo beschrieben wird wie man die Monitor unter Debian einrichtet |
| 12:07.04 | liable | Akatemik: i am a little slow at times :) |
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| 12:07.28 | Akatemik | Yes, indeed busybox pages admit it has nc |
| 12:07.35 | Akatemik | Problem solved :) |
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| 12:08.23 | k-google | deedit: #debian-de |
| 12:08.28 | Ronin | !de |
| 12:08.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:08.44 | deedit | thx |
| 12:08.56 | k-google | deedit: bitte |
| 12:09.17 | tuv | guys.. i have a serious problem with anacron's daily jobs and logrotate. everyday logrotate's daily job started by cron gets defunct and i have to kill run-parts, dialy, or no more daily jobs would start |
| 12:10.16 | k-google | tuv: Have you tried running the scripts manually to see what's happening? |
| 12:10.23 | k-google | tuv: Something timing out perhaps? |
| 12:10.32 | tuv | k-google, yes. everything is fine |
| 12:11.31 | tuv | the logrotate daily job started manually finishes without any problems, but started from anacron gets defunct and run-parts waits for it indefinitely |
| 12:11.33 | k-google | tuv: What specifically is hanging / staying running? |
| 12:12.00 | k-google | tuv: You can also invoke run-parts manually. Might try that and dumping output to a log. |
| 12:12.03 | tuv | 14903 ? 00:00:00 anacron |
| 12:12.03 | tuv | 15637 ? 00:00:00 \_ run-parts |
| 12:12.03 | tuv | 16951 ? 00:00:00 \_ logrotate <defunct> |
| 12:12.49 | k-google | Hrm. |
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| 12:13.15 | k-google | I'm guessing this may be a run-parts problem. |
| 12:13.30 | tuv | k-google, there is no output to dump. run-parts iterates over the files in cron.daily until it gets to logrotate, which gets defunct (seems to do so after it finishes its work since a verbose version of the logrotate job script shows that it always completes) |
| 12:13.36 | k-google | Try killing 15637 and see if that gets both run-parts and logrotate. |
| 12:13.59 | k-google | tuv: man run-parts suggests --verbose option ;-) |
| 12:14.18 | tuv | k-google, i do this everyday: kill the run-parts process and then both logrotate and anacron vanish |
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| 12:15.09 | k-google | tuv: note that run-parts is an ELF executable (rather than shell script) so you might also strace it and see if that turns up the problem. |
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| 12:15.35 | k-google | tuv: Basically: you 've got to gather some data on why processes aren't completing and terminating properly. |
| 12:15.36 | tuv | k-google, tried that while it was hanging. got nothing |
| 12:15.53 | k-google | tuv: What's the last output? What's it trying to do in the last 100 lines or so of strace? |
| 12:15.59 | tuv | k-google, i just added -v to run-parts in /etc/crontab'd daily line |
| 12:16.28 | k-google | tuv: If I'm reading the manpage correctly, that's just going to tell you it's invoking logrotate, which then hangs. |
| 12:16.49 | tuv | k-google, i attached to it after logrotate got defunct and got nothing |
| 12:16.55 | Akatemik | Ah, no dhcp in busybox... |
| 12:17.16 | k-google | Akatemik: Nor Firefox, if you're looking for it. |
| 12:17.30 | k-google | Akatemik: You might give yourself a static IP. |
| 12:17.33 | tuv | k-google, right.. -v is no good then |
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| 12:17.56 | Akatemik | k-google: Just seeing which ips are free in here... |
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| 12:18.03 | tuv | k-google, maybe i'll stick strace somewhere in the daily jobs chain |
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| 12:18.34 | k-google | Akatemik: Finding out what the DHCP lease range is would be somewhat safer |
| 12:18.44 | k-google | tuv: Yeah. Stuff like this is a bitch to track down. |
| 12:18.56 | k-google | tuv: Might also verify that you don't set an environment in cron. |
| 12:19.04 | k-google | tuv: s/env/different &/ |
| 12:19.25 | k-google | Akatemik: free IPs have a way of becoming non-free, otherwise ;-) |
| 12:19.30 | Akatemik | k-google: Only need it to send one dmesg over netcat to my workstation in next room |
| 12:19.47 | Akatemik | And I leased the ip :) |
| 12:20.00 | tuv | k-google, nothing unusual.. there are some variables in /etc/crontab, but they shipped with their packages.. no modifications |
| 12:20.31 | k-google | Akatemik: NP. |
| 12:20.34 | larspind | I have a problem, where memory usage grows drastically (by 500M) when doing file system operations on a large number of files (eg. running aide, updatedb, or find), and it doesn't shrink again. |
| 12:20.43 | k-google | tuv: OK, long shot there. |
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| 12:21.01 | k-google | larspind: usage or cache? |
| 12:21.06 | larspind | this is the output of slabtop |
| 12:21.07 | Akatemik | Perfect, got it |
| 12:21.36 | larspind | Mem: 2076176k total, 1695668k used, 380508k free, 259872k buffers |
| 12:21.51 | larspind | the number for used grow from 1GB to the current number |
| 12:21.57 | larspind | (from top) |
| 12:22.12 | larspind | running Debian Sarge, kernel 2.6.8, not sure if it's kernel-related |
| 12:22.30 | newbiezz | hi guys |
| 12:22.37 | lunitik | larspind: free -m :/ |
| 12:22.39 | newbiezz | what is chcon ? |
| 12:22.47 | k-google | larspind: What's that output from? |
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| 12:22.52 | newbiezz | where can I download it for debian? |
| 12:23.01 | k-google | !tell newbiezz about search |
| 12:23.16 | larspind | the pastie output is from slabtop, the Mem: one is from top |
| 12:23.17 | k-google | larspind: NM, read. slabtop. |
| 12:23.23 | newbiezz | I tried to google, I just found chcon is include in selinux tools |
| 12:23.35 | newbiezz | is that the one? |
| 12:23.57 | newbiezz | debian:~# apt-cache search chcon |
| 12:23.57 | newbiezz | setools - Tresys tools for managing SE Linux |
| 12:23.57 | newbiezz | debian:~# apt-get install setools |
| 12:23.57 | k-google | larspind: You want to use free and check the +/- buffers/cache values. |
| 12:24.00 | newbiezz | is that the one? |
| 12:24.28 | tuv | k-google, i'll wait till tomorrow to get the strace output |
| 12:24.39 | lunitik | !tell larspind about repeat |
| 12:24.56 | k-google | lunitik: That's not a repeat, it's an updated paste |
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| 12:25.15 | k-google | newbiezz: apt-cache search chcon suggests it is. /msg dpkg search. |
| 12:25.32 | lunitik | s/new/knew/ |
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| 12:26.06 | k-google | !sleep lunitik $(( 3600 * 8 )) |
| 12:26.13 | larspind | it was a bad pastie :) |
| 12:26.21 | k-google | larspind: No such thing. |
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| 12:26.29 | k-google | larspind: ... just ask Janet Jackson. |
| 12:26.32 | larspind | here's the one i meant |
| 12:26.59 | larspind | k-google: what am I looking for in the -/+ buffers? |
| 12:27.39 | k-google | Note that used memory goes from 1655 to 392, free bumps up from 372 to 1635. |
| 12:27.48 | larspind | k-google: The real problem I'm investigating here, btw, is that oom-killer is invoked way too often, i suspect this is the cause. |
| 12:28.00 | lunitik | k-google: 20 hours? thats a lot of sleep :o |
| 12:28.23 | k-google | larspind: What that's saying is that most of your memory utilization is actually cached file reads. |
| 12:28.32 | k-google | lunitik: 3600 * 8 == 8 hours. |
| 12:28.52 | k-google | lunitik: ... and if you think it's 20, you need more sleep :-) |
| 12:29.18 | k-google | larspind: You've got 2 GB on that box, I'd hope it's sufficiently much ram. |
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| 12:30.29 | k-google | larspind: There should be a factoid explaining this but I'm not finding it. |
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| 12:31.16 | k-google | larspind: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/07/memory-swap-management/ |
| 12:31.24 | k-google | larspind: ... reasonable article. |
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| 12:32.30 | larspind | k-google: thanks |
| 12:32.42 | SeanTater | If I want to use a i686 kernel in sid, rather than i486, what might I need to install? |
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| 12:33.46 | k-google | SeanTater: A 686 kernel ;-) |
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| 12:34.11 | SeanTater | k-google: :D |
| 12:34.29 | larspind | k-google: so what that says is that real memory consumption is low, and that there shouldn't be a problem. |
| 12:34.41 | SeanTater | k-google: whould that be linux-image-i686, do I need to install kernel-headers and other stuff with it? |
| 12:34.45 | k-google | larspind: Well, other than that troublesome OOM behavior you mentioned. |
| 12:34.48 | larspind | k-google: What remains is that oom-killer is still randomly killing my processes once a day or more. |
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| 12:35.00 | k-google | SeanTater: headers only if you need to build stuff against them. |
| 12:35.11 | SeanTater | k-google: okay |
| 12:35.17 | k-google | larspind: You need an OOMKK. |
| 12:35.25 | larspind | k-google: and frequently, but not always, in connection with the daily cron jobs which runs file-system-intensive stuff |
| 12:35.26 | k-google | larspind: OOM killer-killer. |
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| 12:36.10 | k-google | larspind: Right. You can run stuff like vmstat in a loop and watch what's going on. Also ps with appropriate flags to note top memory-using processes. |
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| 12:38.17 | nelius | exim4 configuration question: |
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| 12:38.49 | k-google | newbiezz: postfix answer. |
| 12:40.31 | larspind | k-google: : is there such a thing as an OOMKK, or is it a joke? |
| 12:40.43 | k-google | larspind: The latter. |
| 12:40.47 | larspind | great :) |
| 12:41.01 | k-google | larspind: ... though I suppose one could be written. |
| 12:41.13 | k-google | larspind: There was the old Quake Linux system administration interface. |
| 12:41.28 | larspind | haha |
| 12:41.30 | k-google | larspind: ... where you're running around killing monsters who happen to be PIDs. |
| 12:41.35 | k-google | This was really written. |
| 12:41.38 | larspind | yeah, i remember |
| 12:41.53 | k-google | Every once in a while, the author reported, he'd kill the quake pid itself. |
| 12:42.32 | k-google | larspind: Anyhow, OOM seems to cause about as many headaches as it solves, if you can figure out what's using memory, it might be useful. Possibly a sort on a deep/large filetree or something. |
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| 12:44.24 | larspind | yeah, that's what i've gathered from searching as well -- not to mention it's what i've experienced |
| 12:45.22 | k-google | larspind: Mind: if the root problem is insufficient RAM (box I'm on is 256 MB, currently have its replacement sitting on the floor w/ an installation in process), you've got a relatively easy fix. |
| 12:45.41 | k-google | Problem is a lot of stuff is poorly behaved. spamassassin and web browsers among the major culprits. |
| 12:46.16 | larspind | k-google: yeah, that's what i thought at first, so i bumped it up from 1gb to 2gb at first, but that didn't solve it |
| 12:46.36 | k-google | larspind: What's in your /etc/cron.daily? |
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| 12:48.37 | appelza | Hi, I keep on getting : package control info rmdir of `usr' didn't say not a dir: Directory not empty when I try dpkg -i mydeb.deb |
| 12:48.41 | appelza | what am I missing? |
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| 12:50.53 | Fox | bon, vais appeler gregory moi, j'ai aps eu confirmation de mes conges |
| 12:51.00 | FallenHitokiri | i installed autofs but my usbstick and my cd drive are not mounted http://rafb.net/paste/results/Oz6PH814.html |
| 12:51.03 | Fox | oups, wrong window :) |
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| 12:53.54 | k-google | appelza: You should be able to safely ignore that. |
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| 12:54.39 | k-google | appelza: if the directory's not empty, it won't be removed. It may contain config files or other package's files. What's the dir? /usr ? |
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| 12:56.39 | appelza | yes |
| 12:56.46 | appelza | well the package fails to install :( |
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| 12:59.10 | larspind_ | k-google: which fields from ps would be relevant to look at? memory size, resident pages/size, shared pages? |
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| 12:59.17 | k-google | Rhodos: Enough. |
| 13:00.17 | k-google | larspind_: Off the top, yeah. |
| 13:00.18 | possie | is there a way to temporarily pause a process? |
| 13:00.20 | k-google | possie: kill -l for signals |
| 13:00.20 | k-google | possie: SIGSTOP |
| 13:00.20 | possie | thanks |
| 13:00.20 | k-google | kill -19 numerically. |
| 13:00.21 | abrotman | k-google: have you slept yet? |
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| 13:00.21 | k-google | possie: -18 / SIGCONT to resume. |
| 13:00.27 | k-google | abrotman: Nope ;-) |
| 13:00.32 | abrotman | k-google: no work today? |
| 13:00.39 | possie | k-google, thanks :) |
| 13:00.55 | k-google | abrotman: Taking a few days off. |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | so you're wasting them on #d ? :) |
| 13:01.09 | k-google | abrotman: 'zactly. |
| 13:01.14 | abrotman | carry on |
| 13:01.15 | k-google | abrotman: Troubleshooting some other stuff. |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | it's broken |
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| 13:01.58 | k-google | abrotman: Too kind, sir. |
| 13:02.09 | k-google | abrotman: More specifically, it's lost. |
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| 13:07.02 | lordlamer | hello i have running mysql on port 3306 and on the same host in chroot a mysql on port 3307. if i make a connect from another server to host 3307 he is connected to the mysql that is not running in chroot. if i make the connect in chroot he connect to the mysql in chroot. why do i cannot connect to the mysql in chroot from outside the chroot? |
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| 13:08.57 | roxy_ | can I restart X without logging out ? |
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| 13:09.15 | k-google | roxy_: Um. Depends on what you mean. Strictly, yes. |
| 13:09.33 | k-google | roxy_: ... but it tends to do bad things to whatever's running in that X session. |
| 13:09.47 | roxy_ | k-google: would log in/out be enough ? |
| 13:09.50 | k-google | lordlamer: w/o better debug info it's hard to say. |
| 13:09.57 | roxy_ | for the conf file to be loaded |
| 13:09.57 | k-google | roxy_: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:09.58 | SpeedyG | ctrl-alt-backspace :> |
| 13:10.23 | k-google | roxy_: Restarting your X server will do it. /etc/init.d/[gkwx]dm restart |
| 13:10.23 | roxy_ | k-google: I am trying to set up scim, want to know my change in Xsession.d works |
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| 13:10.39 | roxy_ | k-google: thanks |
| 13:10.50 | SpeedyG | anyone here know a decent music-player for linux?:) |
| 13:10.52 | k-google | roxy_: Or <ctrl><alt><backspace> if you want to be drastic. |
| 13:10.57 | SpeedyG | preferable non-xmms |
| 13:11.15 | k-google | SpeedyG: sox ;-) |
| 13:11.30 | k-google | SpeedyG: anorak, IIRC, is KDE's answer to iTunes. |
| 13:11.46 | FalscherHase | SpeedyG: it's amarok |
| 13:12.03 | k-google | FalscherHase: Danke. |
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| 13:12.29 | k-google | SpeedyG: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/26/essentials-2006 |
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| 13:13.07 | lordlamer | k-google, i have a debian sarge running with mysql4 on port 3306. i have setup a etch system with debootstrep and startet that system in chroot. i have install mysql5 in this chroot envorinment and start mysql5 on port 3307. with netstat -tulpen i see that port 3306 and 3307 is used. if i make a connect to port 3307 from outside the chroot i am connectet do mysql4. if i make the same connection inside the chroot i am connected to mysql5. so why do i c |
| 13:13.07 | lordlamer | annot connect to mysql5 from outside the chroot?! |
| 13:13.10 | k-google | "Ubuntu ... is an ancient African word meaning 'can't install Debian'." |
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| 13:13.56 | k-google | lordlamer: Dunno. Sockets shouldn't be chroot-bound. Eg: you can run bind in a chroot jail. |
| 13:14.08 | k-google | lordlamer: What happens when you try to connect, server & client side? |
| 13:14.23 | possie | k-google, have you got an idea what the name of the signal is, that waits for a certain process to terminate? |
| 13:14.37 | Shadur | lordlamer: At a guess? Mysql5 is trying to connect locally via a pipe |
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| 13:15.04 | k-google | possie: No such signal, but 'wait' in shell. |
| 13:15.15 | possie | k-google, ahh :-) |
| 13:15.32 | k-google | Shadur: Which should work, no? It's a chroot, not a VM. |
| 13:15.35 | lordlamer | if i make a connect to port 3306 inside chroot i am connected to mysql5 :( |
| 13:16.12 | lordlamer | so i cannot connect from outside the chroot to inside the chroot and back |
| 13:16.30 | k-google | lordlamer: Well, don't do that then ;-) |
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| 13:17.22 | k-google | lordlamer: We've asked you to post error output, well? |
| 13:17.27 | lordlamer | k-google, yes but i want to run both servers for developing |
| 13:17.37 | k-google | !tell lordlamer about smart questions |
| 13:17.39 | lordlamer | i have nor error output |
| 13:17.46 | k-google | lordlamer: Then find some. |
| 13:18.00 | Shadur | k-google: Not if he's not specifying the right pipe file because it's using a default. |
| 13:18.11 | k-google | Shadur: pipe or port? |
| 13:18.17 | possie | k-google, i've only got a wait manpage for section 2, not section 1, have you got a clue where to find more information about this program/buildint ? |
| 13:18.31 | k-google | Shadur: pipe would be a problem if it's outside the chroot. Port wouldn't be. |
| 13:18.39 | k-google | possie: bash manpage or 'help wait' in bash |
| 13:18.50 | lord_rob | Hi ! I cannot print (using cups) to a distant printer using http printing protocol (I always get "/usr/lib/cups/backend/http failed"). Do anyone know how to fix this problem ? It seems I'm not the only one to have it :/ |
| 13:18.54 | k-google | possie: It's a builtin. |
| 13:19.03 | k-google | possie: 'man builtins' to boot. |
| 13:19.10 | possie | k-google, thanks |
| 13:19.14 | lordlamer | k-google, i make the connect via tcp |
| 13:19.25 | k-google | Shadur: TCP != pipe. |
| 13:19.28 | k-google | lordlamer: With what client? |
| 13:19.36 | abrotman | k-google: you lost it!? |
| 13:19.39 | lordlamer | mysql -h localhost -P 3307 |
| 13:19.42 | lordlamer | ;) |
| 13:19.50 | k-google | abrotman: HD crash. |
| 13:19.53 | Shadur | SeanTater: Don't make me google that rant again. It's been discussed. They'd undoubtedly like to, but they *CAN'T*. |
| 13:20.00 | k-google | abrotman: It's a handy little build environment i'd created. |
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| 13:20.11 | Shadur | Um, doesn't -P mean you're about to enter a password? |
| 13:20.13 | SeanTater | Shadur: no rant here |
| 13:20.21 | SeanTater | Shadur: just can;t use i686 |
| 13:20.37 | Shadur | SeanTater: Why not? |
| 13:20.44 | k-google | lordlamer: Thanks. Um. I've got my postgresql hat on, was twigging. |
| 13:20.44 | lordlamer | Shadur, no. its the port |
| 13:21.01 | k-google | lordlamer: So, what's mysql say when it can't find a port? Connection refused or something different? |
| 13:21.19 | Shadur | There's an excellent nvidia-kernel-source package on non-free that you can use with make-kpkg to build an nvidia-kernel driver for your kernel version. |
| 13:21.26 | SeanTater | Shadur: well, I think it;s just libc6, but it says it has problems with third-party programs, x would not start, presumable because of nvidia |
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| 13:22.16 | Shadur | SeanTater: I've been using nvidia cards for years now and have yet to run into problems with them on debian. What exactly are you trying to do, on which version of debian, and what's the error? |
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| 13:23.39 | abrotman | k-google: don't cry |
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| 13:23.53 | SeanTater | Shadur: I'm playing around, trying to see if my computer can run faster, on sid. I don't know the error, but KDM flashes the screen and does not start |
| 13:23.57 | lordlamer | k-google, if i say he should connect to port 3309 he also connect to mysql |
| 13:23.59 | k-google | abrotman: It's an ugly site. |
| 13:24.04 | k-google | abrotman: erm, sight. |
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| 13:24.22 | epeira | www.epeira.it |
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| 13:24.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:24.36 | abrotman | yay stupid spammers |
| 13:24.48 | k-google | lordlamer: Um. 3309? I see 3306 and 3307 mentioned... |
| 13:25.18 | lordlamer | yes. thats why i wondered why he connect. mysql4 is running on 3306 and mysql is running on 3307 |
| 13:25.48 | SeanTater | Shadur: I'm pretty sure I can use the linux-image-686, but libc6-i686 seems to have a few problems, but I just heard of it.. |
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| 13:27.16 | Shadur | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.17 | Shadur | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.17 | Shadur | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.38 | k-google | !win Shadur |
| 13:27.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, Shadur! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
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| 13:28.01 | abrotman | can i get one too ? |
| 13:28.07 | yalu | hello folks. I presume at least some of the people present here use tapes for backup at work? Please share me some of your experiences with tape drives and their gnu/linux support? |
| 13:28.22 | tarzeau | yalu: how much data? |
| 13:28.24 | Shadur | yalu: tar's done right by me, so far. |
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| 13:28.36 | yalu | I ask because I am looking for a supported tape drive/autoloader |
| 13:28.41 | SeanTater | !lart me |
| 13:28.45 | tarzeau | yalu: but how much data? |
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| 13:28.55 | yalu | tarzeau: at the moment, a few hundred GB, but it will certainly grow |
| 13:29.04 | yalu | so I am trying to find something futureproof |
| 13:29.07 | tarzeau | yalu: grow to one TB or much more? |
| 13:29.20 | yalu | tarzeau: I don't think we'll reach a TB soon |
| 13:29.24 | tarzeau | yalu: put another computer with large diskspace in another room, and rsync the data |
| 13:29.40 | abrotman | yalu: what do you want to know about tapes? |
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| 13:29.52 | tarzeau | yalu: do one more such thing (we do this for our data, about 10-20 TB) for about one week |
| 13:29.58 | tarzeau | yalu: about 3-4 machines |
| 13:30.32 | tarzeau | yalu: there are tape solutions but they don't fit our needs: filesystems larger 2 TB, files larger 2 GB, user can restore his files himself |
| 13:30.39 | yalu | tarzeau: at the moment we are using a diskbased backup server. but I am not entirely satisfied with the current capacity/possibilities of the system (say, taking offsite backups on disks is risky) |
| 13:30.45 | tarzeau | yalu: i don't know your exact requirements |
| 13:30.57 | lordlamer | k-google, if i use --protocol=tcp in chroot he do the right connection. so from inside the chroot i can connect to mysql4 on port 3306 and to mysql5 on port 3307. but with mysql4 i have no option --protocol |
| 13:31.00 | yalu | tarzeau: why are large filesystems a problem? |
| 13:31.04 | tarzeau | yalu: put up another machine offsite :) |
| 13:31.30 | tarzeau | yalu: the tape backup solution we have here is a service, and we can't tell them "you buy something different", it's what they have, it with these limits |
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| 13:31.34 | yalu | that will take tons of bandwidth, extra connectivity costs etc |
| 13:31.35 | tarzeau | it doesn't suite our needs |
| 13:31.45 | tarzeau | yalu: ahh, bandwith is not aproblem here |
| 13:31.49 | abrotman | so it has nothing to do with tape limitations .. it's just tarzeau's stupid boss |
| 13:32.04 | k-google | lordlamer: I'm not a mysql specialist, OOMAOE. |
| 13:32.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's a different organisation, not my boss |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | still not related to tape |
| 13:32.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: tape software also has limits |
| 13:32.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: it can be |
| 13:32.44 | abrotman | such as? |
| 13:32.51 | yalu | a tape library/autoloader (whatever the difference may be; if any) sounds like the best solution to me. but which one is the question. a supported one, and not too exxageratedly big or expensive |
| 13:32.51 | tarzeau | there's many tape solutions, and not all of them are excellent |
| 13:33.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: size, what you can backup, how fast you can, and what you really can restore (or can't) |
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| 13:33.34 | tarzeau | yalu: i've seen severl of them during my 10 years informatics work life, and there were not just one that wouldn't restore the files correctly anymore |
| 13:33.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: size of what? |
| 13:33.41 | tarzeau | yalu: just my few cents |
| 13:33.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: penis |
| 13:33.54 | abrotman | right .. tarzeau speaking nonsense again :) |
| 13:34.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: what size could it be, when talking backups and tapes? |
| 13:34.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: probably not the physical size of the tapes, would it? |
| 13:34.32 | yalu | tarzeau: are there any brands or models that you would recommend of ehm, dis-recommend? |
| 13:34.39 | abrotman | you said it .. not me .. i asked you to clarify .. and you didn't |
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| 13:35.07 | tarzeau | yalu: no, sorry. but name some if you have some, maybe i recognize one being especially bad |
| 13:35.41 | abrotman | yalu: this is really something you'd talk to a hardware company about |
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| 13:36.00 | abrotman | yalu: what capacity you need now .. what requirements you have .. what you expect to grow to |
| 13:36.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know we've sold the mainstream stuff :) ok it's some years ago, but things don't get much better or worse than they've been |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | crazy people! |
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| 13:36.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe .. but we shouldn't be the ones recommending an autoloader :) |
| 13:37.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: true |
| 13:37.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know how car sellers work? |
| 13:37.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: like people that sell autoloaders |
| 13:37.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wouldn't trust my data entirely on tape |
| 13:38.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's fine .. it's not your data .. he says he's not happy with his current solution |
| 13:38.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: we've got some users here that have data on tape drives (maybe 4-8 years) and they don't have the devices anymore to get access to their data |
| 13:38.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: true, i'll shut up |
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| 13:38.57 | yalu | let's see. hp ultrium, dell powervault? |
| 13:39.00 | abrotman | HDDs die .. tapes get old ... |
| 13:39.21 | abrotman | yalu: you'll have to ask them .. or maybe ask #hardware |
| 13:39.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: getting old, doesn't mean you can still read them (they work, or you have the hardware to read them at all) |
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| 13:39.58 | yalu | hardware can be found, or kept when upgrading |
| 13:39.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: of course harddisks die, that's why you replace them when they do, and you keep important data spread at several places on several harddisks |
| 13:40.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: that simple. harddisks die, so do power supplies |
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| 13:40.21 | tarzeau | movable parts break faster and more often |
| 13:40.23 | yang | while you are talking about tape streamers...I have DDS-3 streamer and it gives me input/output error, when i want to format the tape, or put something to it, with tar...but it can read older tapes which were tar-ed, any idea? |
| 13:40.30 | yalu | hard disks are convenient, but less handy for offsites |
| 13:40.30 | tarzeau | yes, it hasn't been differen 20 to 30 years ago |
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| 13:40.54 | tarzeau | yang: thank you for telling the i/o error, that's what i was talking about |
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| 13:41.15 | tarzeau | yalu: i hope you find the right solution for your problem |
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| 13:41.22 | yang | tarzeau: so it means, the tape stremaer is broken and cannot be fixed anymore? |
| 13:41.30 | abrotman | try mt |
| 13:41.45 | tarzeau | yang: maybe it can. i certainly won't fix it. do you think someone will? can you get a replacement part? |
| 13:41.59 | yang | abrotman: i tried using mt -f /dev/st0 erase ... but it gives out an error |
| 13:42.14 | tarzeau | yang: how long did you not use the tape at all? |
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| 13:42.21 | tarzeau | yang: how did you store it? |
| 13:42.26 | tarzeau | where did you store it? |
| 13:43.18 | yang | tarzeau: I cleaned it once, around the head, well i didn't touch the heads, just the round circles that stream the tape...after that i got this weird errors or maybe even before, can't remember now |
| 13:43.49 | tarzeau | yang: you used what to clean it? any fluids? |
| 13:43.53 | yang | the streamer was all dusty on the inside, so i blow up a bit |
| 13:44.10 | yang | no, i just used that cosmetic thing, which you put into ear |
| 13:44.19 | abrotman | yang: maybe retension ? |
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| 13:44.51 | tarzeau | yang: how many years of dust was that? |
| 13:45.30 | yang | when i try to format it or tar something to it...first it read the tape, then it tries to write, then it starts to fast forward and then the light for cleaning tape blinks on |
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| 13:46.12 | tarzeau | yang: guess you should've cleaned much more often |
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| 13:46.13 | yang | tarzeau: well it was preety much dusty, never cleaned before i guess, but now its clean on the inside |
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| 13:48.20 | yang | tarzeau: does new TAPEs need to be formatted first , before puting an archive with tar on it for the first time? |
| 13:48.52 | tarzeau | yang: no, i've never heard something like that |
| 13:49.17 | yang | tarzeau: i also chmodet permission on it to 777 |
| 13:49.20 | yang | crwxrwxrwx 1 root tape 9, 0 Jul 21 12:04 /dev/st0 |
| 13:49.20 | yang | crw-rw---- 1 root tape 9, 96 Jul 21 12:04 /dev/st0a |
| 13:49.47 | yang | tarzeau: this thing in KDAT, tries to format the tape and mount it "somehow" |
| 13:50.02 | tarzeau | never heard of that, i've just used mt/tar with tapes |
| 13:50.24 | tarzeau | and i've seen people curse about windows software and autoloaders |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | yang: you can mount tapes |
| 13:51.51 | yang | tarzeau: there is no GUI for these storage, except KDAT, but when i first used DDS tapes, like 10 years ago, there was a GUI software on HP-UX, it was even developed at the company where i worked |
| 13:52.35 | lordlamer | k-google, if i use 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost it works fine ;) |
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| 13:53.19 | abrotman | yang: why do you need a GUI for backing up ? |
| 13:53.45 | tarzeau | i prefer to mount saddled unicorns in nethack |
| 13:53.45 | yang | abrotman: you can drop things there |
| 13:53.51 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 13:54.21 | DerJamster | yay nethack |
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| 13:54.42 | yang | and i think it does some damage to my TAPEs, becouse now i have 3 tapes with input/output error |
| 13:54.54 | k-google | lordlamer: inside chroot or outside? |
| 13:55.01 | k-google | lordlamer: Your chroot needs an /etc/hosts file |
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| 13:55.01 | lordlamer | outside |
| 13:55.02 | tarzeau | DerJamster: how far do you get? using hearse? |
| 13:55.08 | k-google | lordlamer: Try that. |
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| 13:55.29 | lordlamer | inside chroot it works. |
| 13:55.39 | k-google | lordlamer: odd... |
| 13:56.04 | tarzeau | DerJamster: you won't believe it but i've found a shop with 4 ice boxes |
| 13:56.11 | tarzeau | dlvl:2, t:95 |
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| 13:56.41 | chab | ji |
| 13:56.42 | chab | hi* |
| 13:56.56 | chab | anyone can help with 2 questions about debian ? |
| 13:57.09 | blondie | not unless you ask them ;p |
| 13:57.12 | chab | ok |
| 13:57.17 | SpeedyG | lol :) |
| 13:57.29 | chab | i want to download debian from their ftp , and there are many .iso torrent |
| 13:57.34 | chab | do i need to get them ALL ? |
| 13:57.40 | chab | or just a CD ? |
| 13:57.45 | SpeedyG | only the 1st |
| 13:57.49 | chab | ok . |
| 13:57.52 | chab | thank you . |
| 13:57.59 | chab | its 640 mb |
| 13:58.07 | SpeedyG | you can also download a net-install cd |
| 13:58.11 | stew | chab: only the first, provided that you can get on the internet with a stock debian kernel |
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| 13:58.19 | SpeedyG | but then you'd need a constant connection during installation :) |
| 13:58.19 | stew | chab: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 13:58.33 | DerJamster | tarzeau: nah, never used 'em |
| 13:58.44 | chab | can u check this url |
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| 13:58.55 | chab | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 13:59.23 | abrotman | chab: get the netinst iso from there(if you have broadband at the install locatoin) |
| 13:59.34 | chab | i have 512 k |
| 13:59.38 | chab | not very sexy |
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| 13:59.44 | abrotman | that'll be fine |
| 14:00.05 | chab | but i think it would be better to have a boot-cd |
| 14:00.17 | JonB | hi, are there faster tools than diff to tell me if 2 files are identical or not? |
| 14:00.48 | chab | there were some , JonB , but i cant remember |
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| 14:00.57 | abrotman | chab: the netinst is a bootcd |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | JonB: cmp ? |
| 14:01.06 | chab | abrotman thank you |
| 14:01.29 | k-google | JonB: you can checksum them (md5 or sha1). Note that md5 collisions are considered to be feasible these days. |
| 14:01.43 | chab | 43 kbps |
| 14:01.43 | SlayerXP | JonB: md5sum file1 file2 |
| 14:01.45 | chab | pfff |
| 14:02.03 | JonB | SlayerXP: md5sum is not completely secure |
| 14:02.09 | JonB | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:02.12 | JonB | bye |
| 14:02.18 | stew | md5sum wouldn't be as fast as diff -q |
| 14:02.28 | k-google | JonB: Whether or not that's faster is another question. You have to read the whole file. You don't need to do matched line comparisons. |
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| 14:02.46 | k-google | stew: May depend, could be faster on identical files. |
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| 14:03.06 | k-google | stew: I'd time a few runs to be sure. I'd tend to go with diff myself. |
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| 14:03.28 | abrotman | btw .. STILL compiling! |
| 14:03.30 | chab | i have 3 HDD`s , 2 of them are SATA and one is PATA |
| 14:03.35 | abrotman | (i did have to stop when i logged off last night) |
| 14:03.43 | chab | it will be ok if i install debian on the PATA one ? |
| 14:03.54 | abrotman | don't see why not |
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| 14:04.24 | chab | in a normal way , the pc is booting from the PATA |
| 14:04.35 | chab | maybe if he will detect 2 OS`s , it will ask for a choice |
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| 14:04.40 | chab | ill try |
| 14:04.56 | boot_problem | Hi. I just upgraded to the latest Debian "Testing". I had a dual boot win & gnu/linux. Somehow windows is not listed in the bootable OSes list. I need windoze to initiate a bank transaction (:X). Anyone has an idea about this? |
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| 14:05.31 | abrotman | boot_problem: i won't tell you unless you pay me! |
| 14:05.43 | abrotman | boot_problem: are you using grub or lilo ? |
| 14:06.00 | boot_problem | grub. |
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| 14:06.28 | stew | boot_problem: /usr/share/doc/grub/examples has examples for setting up windows |
| 14:06.34 | boot_problem | I dont know if it will help but I have two HDDs and my windows is on the secondary Master. |
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| 14:06.50 | Ether_Man_ | abrotman: needed something new instead of rtfm? ^_^;; |
| 14:06.59 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:09.29 | boot_problem | in the mean time, has anyone tried screaming a dog's name into the dog's ear? Mine jumps when I do that lol. I wont do that again btw. |
| 14:09.36 | boot_problem | hmm. Wrong channel |
| 14:09.37 | t1000 | hello, how I could view all installed packages in debian ? |
| 14:09.56 | pipeline | t1000: dpkg --get-selections |
| 14:09.59 | t1000 | thanks |
| 14:10.07 | ABC | who have private bug for Hosting Controller ? i change with private bug for php |
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| 14:10.37 | chab | lol |
| 14:10.39 | stew | t1000: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
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| 14:11.37 | chab | * Ping reply from ChanServ: 21.60 second(s) |
| 14:11.38 | chab | lol |
| 14:11.40 | chab | not good |
| 14:11.41 | chab | brb |
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| 14:13.11 | tralala | how do I save the alsa mixer settings? |
| 14:13.27 | dimir | Press Esc! |
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| 14:13.45 | stew | tralala: alsactl store |
| 14:14.06 | MrNaz | how often does /tmp get cleared out? i.e., if i write an app to put files into /tmp while im working with them how long can i rely on them being there? |
| 14:14.06 | tralala | thanks, stew |
| 14:14.13 | n00rul | stew: why alsactl doesnt work for normal users? |
| 14:14.16 | chab | the debian 3.1 , is online 1 single CD ? |
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| 14:15.55 | MrNaz | chab you can install debian from the first CD only |
| 14:15.58 | MrNaz | which is recommended anyway |
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| 14:16.14 | chab | i am getting it already |
| 14:16.21 | chab | so that would be fine |
| 14:16.24 | MrNaz | cool |
| 14:16.35 | stew | n00rul: if you want a normal user to be able to run it, it looks like you need to: "chgrp audio /var/lib/alsa/asound.state ; chmod 775 /var/lib/alsa/asound.state" |
| 14:16.38 | MrNaz | yea i always install from the mini CD (200mb or so) and get the rest via the net |
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| 14:17.14 | stew | n00rul: and then of course, you'd have to make sure the user was in the audio group |
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| 14:17.29 | chab | i never installed any *nix distro |
| 14:17.35 | chab | i want to try debian |
| 14:17.39 | chab | thats why im here |
| 14:17.47 | Shadur | MrNaz: There's a bootup script that handles it. I think it clears out everything older than TMPTIME. |
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| 14:18.12 | MrNaz | on boot? but what about servers that dont reboot? |
| 14:18.29 | GenghisKhan | hi all! i can't get phpldapadmin to work with ssl |
| 14:18.37 | mariuss | hi i have a tape drive, how do i know if its recognized by the system |
| 14:18.42 | mariuss | i cant find it in dmesg |
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| 14:20.18 | wols | how do I get more than one screen resolution for xorg? dpkg-reconfigure doesn't allow me to set different resolutions even with -plow |
| 14:21.06 | lord_rob | wols: do you have a customized xorg.conf ? |
| 14:21.10 | tralala | wols: are you reconfiguring xserver-xorg? |
| 14:21.27 | lord_rob | I can set multiple screen resolutions with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:21.32 | wols | yes I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 14:21.37 | wols | with -plow option |
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| 14:22.42 | wols | but I only get 1152x864 in about ten different color dephts.. |
| 14:23.11 | n00rul | stew: thanx |
| 14:24.21 | whadar | hello... im trying to install nfs in a chrooted debian... apt-get install nfs-common throws error message: "/etc/fstab: No such file or directory" |
| 14:24.43 | whadar | i dont have /etc/fstab because it is chroot |
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| 14:25.18 | whadar | also it displays: dpkg: error processing nfs-common (--configure) |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | so make one? |
| 14:25.24 | jelly | whadar: er... create it? |
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| 14:25.52 | zimnyx | I use proxy for www/ssh/subversion (proxy lets to use CONNECT on every port), but i got problem to send/receive mail using proxy: read_request_line: Client (file descriptor: 7) closed socket before read. What can be a reason? |
| 14:25.55 | whadar | create the fstab? |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | the file in your chroot |
| 14:26.23 | whadar | hmm... what the nfs is looking in the fstab? |
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| 14:26.52 | jsan | my freinds i try to install whith apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11.7 and return impossible to find this package , i change for the other sourcelist but theerro continue. how i resolv this? |
| 14:27.00 | jelly | whadar: it isn't nfs that is looking there, but nfs-common package install scripts. |
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| 14:27.03 | tralala | wols: hmm, sounds like a bug |
| 14:27.11 | wols | tralala: latest sid |
| 14:27.14 | wols | xorg 7 |
| 14:27.27 | wols | so it could very well be |
| 14:27.40 | stew | jsan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:27.48 | whadar | jelly: yeah i meant what does the nfs-common want from the fstab? |
| 14:28.01 | jelly | whadar: who knows? ;-) |
| 14:28.16 | jsan | 2.6.8-2-386 , sarge |
| 14:28.30 | whadar | :) |
| 14:28.31 | jsan | stew 2.6.8-2-386 , sarge |
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| 14:28.54 | jelly | whadar: it call /etc/init.d/nfs-common, which states: # Parse the fstab file, and determine whether we need idmapd and gssd. |
| 14:29.00 | stew | jsan: why do you want 2.6.11.7 instead of something like 2.6.17-1? why are you compiling your own kernel? can you use a stock, backported 2.6.16-2? |
| 14:29.01 | tralala | whadar: if you have used debootstrap to install it it should have created an fstab. Anyhow touch /chroot/path/etc/fstab should do |
| 14:29.20 | jsan | no |
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| 14:30.05 | jsan | i need to isntall mppe suport |
| 14:30.10 | stew | jsan: debian never shipped source for 2.6.11.7, it did for a very brief time ship some version of 2.6.11 but it hasn't for a long time |
| 14:30.34 | jsan | ok |
| 14:30.37 | jelly | jsan: mppe is available in kernels 2.6.15 and above. |
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| 14:30.46 | stew | jsan: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 14:31.09 | whadar | tralala: touch from outside the chroot? |
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| 14:33.40 | tralala | whadar: it's actually the same - you can touch it from inside too |
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| 14:35.15 | whadar | tralala: touched it... but nothing seemed to happen :/ |
| 14:35.45 | tralala | whadar: dpkg --configure -a (inside the chroot) |
| 14:35.52 | whadar | isnt fstab suppose to be dynamic? |
| 14:36.07 | tralala | no |
| 14:36.28 | tralala | at least not with me - I've never had a dynamic one |
| 14:36.48 | whadar | i mean maybe nfs-common reads something from there... and afterwards the real one is different and nfs is screwed... |
| 14:37.21 | lunitik | whadar: thats why god invented soft mounts with nfs... |
| 14:37.46 | tralala | whadar: I don't know... you'll have to check it out yourself |
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| 14:38.14 | whadar | lunitik: so why nfs still needs the fstab... |
| 14:38.46 | whadar | tralala: i'll play with... thanks |
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| 14:40.34 | lunitik | whadar: you define soft mounts in fstab ... fstab keeps a tab of fs mount points... |
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| 14:40.55 | yalu | what on earth is actually the difference between an autoloader and a tape library? |
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| 14:41.15 | lunitik | whadar: hard mounts can screw up machines in the nfs server isn't running, so they're bad... |
| 14:41.33 | lunitik | s/in/if/ |
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| 14:41.40 | l2odon | hi ! |
| 14:41.53 | lunitik | !greet l2odon |
| 14:42.00 | l2odon | can you help me ;) !? |
| 14:42.09 | l2odon | i need local root for linux 2.6 ! |
| 14:42.11 | tralala | dpkg: test |
| 14:42.23 | lunitik | !speak damnit |
| 14:42.36 | tralala | @troll l2odon |
| 14:42.47 | l2odon | yes or no !? |
| 14:42.53 | lunitik | l2odon: no |
| 14:42.54 | l2odon | can u help me ! |
| 14:42.57 | l2odon | ? |
| 14:42.58 | tralala | l2odon: go away kiddie |
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| 14:43.11 | l2odon | :( |
| 14:43.18 | l2odon | umm |
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| 14:43.23 | l2odon | me go out ?! |
| 14:43.24 | lunitik | l2odon: why would anyone help you crack a machine? |
| 14:43.34 | l2odon | i need help |
| 14:43.38 | l2odon | i need |
| 14:43.41 | l2odon | local root ! |
| 14:43.43 | lunitik | l2odon: you need a new hobby |
| 14:43.45 | tralala | l2odon: you need to get spanked |
| 14:43.49 | Ronin | lunitik: theyneed a girl |
| 14:43.51 | wols | l2odon: su<enter> |
| 14:43.58 | Pecisk_ | hi guys, how to remove package witch refuses to be removed with " subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1"? |
| 14:43.58 | wols | then enter the root password and you're done |
| 14:44.07 | l2odon | umm |
| 14:44.10 | l2odon | do you have exploit ?! |
| 14:44.15 | yalu | kick him :p |
| 14:44.15 | mha13 | Pecisk_:using dpkg |
| 14:44.15 | lunitik | Pecisk_: Sid? |
| 14:44.28 | Pecisk_ | lunitik: yep |
| 14:44.31 | wols | !ops l2odon is asking for root exploits |
| 14:44.34 | stew | l2odon: discussion exploits is not appropriate on this irc network |
| 14:44.36 | Ronin | l2odon: now evenif we did why would we tell you |
| 14:44.42 | stew | l2odon: please move on |
| 14:44.42 | Pecisk_ | mha13: problem is that using dpkg it tells me the same |
| 14:44.44 | tralala | wols: dpkg ain't working |
| 14:44.50 | lunitik | Pecisk_: you ought to be keeping better track of things... and know how to fix them... |
| 14:44.57 | Pecisk_ | mha13: dpkg --remove or --purge doesn't help |
| 14:44.59 | wols | which bastard murdered him? (it?) |
| 14:45.11 | l2odon | umm |
| 14:45.14 | Ronin | wols: its working but taking forever to respond it seems |
| 14:45.18 | mha13 | Pecisk_:try removing divertions and then reisnatll and purge |
| 14:45.18 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: ping |
| 14:45.25 | l2odon | umm |
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| 14:45.38 | lunitik | wols: you an op? |
| 14:45.44 | l2odon | im from |
| 14:45.45 | l2odon | iran |
| 14:45.49 | stew | l2odon: do you have a more appropriate, debian related question to ask? |
| 14:45.50 | wols | l2odon: certainly not |
| 14:45.56 | l2odon | and i cant speek english or ... well |
| 14:46.01 | lunitik | stew: please do something about l2odon, tyia |
| 14:46.07 | l2odon | ok |
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| 14:46.12 | Ronin | l2odon: what are you trying to do? other then gain root access on a machine |
| 14:46.23 | l2odon | i need |
| 14:46.28 | l2odon | local root foor |
| 14:46.28 | Kronoz | hi, is kernel 2.6.17 is testing yet? |
| 14:46.30 | l2odon | linux 2.6 ! |
| 14:46.35 | stew | !aq l2odon |
| 14:46.38 | SpeedyG | l2odon: then su and enter the password |
| 14:46.40 | stew | err |
| 14:46.41 | Ronin | l2odon: why? |
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| 14:46.46 | tralala | l2odon: no, I already told you - you need to get spanked |
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| 14:46.48 | lunitik | stew: dpkg is broken |
| 14:46.55 | wols | Kronoz: check packages.debian.org |
| 14:46.58 | lunitik | stew: thank you :D |
| 14:47.00 | dabreegster | Kronoz: I just did an update. No, I don't think so |
| 14:47.08 | Ronin | heh wondering when stew was going to do that |
| 14:47.17 | wols | took him long enough |
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| 14:47.43 | lunitik | Ronin: stew is very good about giving people chances before silencing... I'd have kick/banned about 5 mins ago |
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| 14:48.07 | mha13 | how can i transfer gnucash acounts ? |
| 14:48.32 | Ronin | lunitik: likewise |
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| 14:48.38 | tralala | mha13: it easy - i'll take the cash and you keep the gnu ;)) |
| 14:48.59 | lunitik | Ronin: it is probably why neither of us are ops though :P |
| 14:49.06 | mha13 | tralala:ok i habe minus 12000 nis in the bank .. |
| 14:49.09 | lunitik | Well, one of _many_ reasons |
| 14:49.14 | incorrect | how do i set the default editor, tradically last time i did it was so long ago i can't remember where its set |
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| 14:49.15 | Kronoz | wols, that doesn't really help, i can search for kernel and it has nothing that says which kernel is default in testing and comes up a tons of other things, and it can't handle more than one word, so `linux kernel` or `kernel image` cannot be searched for |
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| 14:49.57 | mha13 | tralala:could you plz send your info to the bank that they will bill you :-) |
| 14:50.05 | cydork | incorrect, update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 14:50.21 | lunitik | incorrect: change symlink for /etc/alternatives/editor ... as as cydork said... |
| 14:50.21 | qbit_wrk | anyone have a netgear ma111 usb wireless adapter? |
| 14:50.26 | tralala | mha13: nah, I'm taking the cash only, not any account balances ;) |
| 14:50.39 | mha13 | what acpi package to use for amd k7 ? |
| 14:50.57 | mha13 | tralala: sorry mat no cash .. |
| 14:51.03 | tralala | mha13: but seriously, perhaps it will be difficult to find gnucash help here |
| 14:51.42 | incorrect | thanks! |
| 14:52.06 | mha13 | tralala: but worth the try .. |
| 14:52.09 | lunitik | s/as as/or as/ |
| 14:52.23 | tralala | mha13: couldn't hurt, I agree |
| 14:52.25 | wols | Kronoz: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all from here you can refine your search if you want |
| 14:52.27 | lunitik | incorrect: what cydork says is more correct, both work though... |
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| 14:52.59 | tralala | mha13: now there is only one acpi package and it's independant of the cpu |
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| 14:53.23 | tralala | @find dig |
| 14:53.24 | Kronoz | wols, ok thanks |
| 14:53.29 | cydork | hey what's wrong with dpkg?? |
| 14:53.38 | mha13 | tralala:the regular acpi package will make nobady_care error on k7 .. |
| 14:53.39 | Ronin | cydork: taking a nap currently |
| 14:53.45 | mha13 | it is a known bug .. |
| 14:54.05 | mha13 | you have to transfer acpi=off to the kernel |
| 14:54.14 | mha13 | or noacpi |
| 14:54.26 | ravenbird | Debian Package Listing of 'dig' (15 of 23): aprsdigi ;; digikam ;; digikam-doc ;; digikamimageplugins ;; digikamimageplugins-doc ;; digitaldj ;; digitemp ;; happydigger ;; htdig ;; htdig-doc ;; libcommons-digester-java ;; libdigest-bubblebabble-perl ;; libdigest-crc-perl ;; libdigest-hmac-perl ;; libdigest-md2-perl. |
| 14:54.27 | cydork | Ronin, ok :) |
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| 14:54.38 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
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| 14:54.55 | Ronin | theres the back up, was wondering where it went :) |
| 14:54.57 | SpeedyG | aptitude install x-window system |
| 14:55.01 | SpeedyG | since i'm too lazy for it ;P |
| 14:55.02 | lunitik | stew: remind me, whats aptitude's trigger? |
| 14:55.11 | tralala | mha13: this means that the kernel you have doesn't support acpi for your mobo/cpu. It's not a problem of the acpi package. Try a newer kernel. |
| 14:55.14 | stew | &wb |
| 14:55.14 | aptitude | thanks, stew. It's good to be back. |
| 14:55.21 | Ronin | ahh its & |
| 14:55.47 | ktwilight | is cgid fast-cgi in debian's apache2 a2enmod? |
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| 14:56.09 | mha13 | tralala:let me make it clear any kernel larger then 2.6.12 even -k7 kernels make this bug |
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| 14:56.30 | lunitik | stew: I kept thinking it was ravenbirds trigger (@) but knew that couldn't be right |
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| 14:56.43 | wols | mha13: how about compiling your own kernel then? |
| 14:56.50 | mha13 | the bug will turn off irq 19 and 17 (usb) |
| 14:56.54 | lunitik | mha13: I'm using 2.6.17-1-k7 , I don't see the bug |
| 14:57.03 | stew | hmm, i don't know if there is a way to query a blootbot for its trigger. there probably should be |
| 14:57.12 | mha13 | lunitik:do you own k7 ? |
| 14:57.17 | tralala | mha13: well, judging by the message you have - you won't get acpi with this machine |
| 14:57.17 | lunitik | aptitude trigger |
| 14:57.28 | tralala | btw I'm not so sure if it is cpu or mobo related |
| 14:57.29 | lunitik | mha13: yes... Athlon XP |
| 14:58.08 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.20 | lunitik | mha13: I never turned it off, so I presume so :/ |
| 14:59.03 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.07 | lunitik | mha13: ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) |
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| 14:59.27 | enouf | mha13 irq 16 and up are apic related |
| 14:59.55 | enouf | mha13 : notice lunitok's lapic == local apic |
| 15:00.10 | lunitik | enouf: that and ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) are the only things dmesg | grep acpi gives me |
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| 15:00.36 | enouf | lunitik: hi -- what's the issue again ?? |
| 15:00.49 | tralala | lunitik: try grep -i |
| 15:01.02 | lunitik | enouf: mha13 thinks all -k7 systems don't support acpi or something... |
| 15:01.02 | eleftherios | hm, I get the error E: Package gstreamer0.8-lame has no installation candidate. Any ideas please? |
| 15:01.03 | mha13 | enouf:im too newb what's apic ? i tried google .. |
| 15:01.11 | tralala | so where is the dig ns query tool? |
| 15:01.25 | enouf | mha13 : Advanced programmable Interrupt Controler |
| 15:01.26 | wols | tralala: bind-utils or some such |
| 15:01.34 | tralala | thanks, wols |
| 15:01.57 | mha13 | lunitik:all k7 (amd xp bellow 2200 ) killef irq 19 and 17 for me (12 diffrent machines) |
| 15:02.10 | enouf | acpi == Advanced Config and Power Interface - both are closely intetwined |
| 15:02.10 | mha13 | enouf:10q.. |
| 15:02.10 | wols | tralala: dnsutils |
| 15:02.24 | lunitik | eleftherios: dist? |
| 15:02.28 | enouf | mha13 -- you're 1cum |
| 15:02.32 | enouf | :-p |
| 15:02.35 | eleftherios | lunitik, I am on Etch |
| 15:02.48 | lunitik | mha13: 1800+ here... no such issue... |
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| 15:03.13 | mha13 | lunitik:so i gess i have some real bad luck .. |
| 15:03.24 | wols | ACPI is mainly a mobo thing. nothing really to do with CPU |
| 15:03.26 | enouf | mha13: see this for some kerenl parameters http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Kernel-parameters-2.6.11 |
| 15:03.29 | wols | mobo and BIOS |
| 15:03.31 | tralala | wols: got it, thanks again |
| 15:03.34 | enouf | kernel* |
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| 15:04.02 | lunitik | eleftherios: its just not in the repo... try www.apt-get.org or something |
| 15:04.18 | whadar | lunitik: touch thing worked |
| 15:04.30 | lunitik | whadar: wah? |
| 15:04.36 | eleftherios | lunitik, I see. Thank you :-) |
| 15:04.42 | mha13 | does acpi=noirq will change anything ? |
| 15:04.51 | whadar | the fstab creation |
| 15:05.01 | enouf | APM was totally BIOS related -- ACPI allows the OS and software to comminicate and control the power management |
| 15:05.08 | lunitik | whadar: oh, you're thanking the wrong person... |
| 15:05.16 | whadar | now i get this weird "FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory" |
| 15:05.26 | enouf | comm with the ardware through the SMBus IIRC |
| 15:05.28 | lunitik | whadar: was tralala |
| 15:05.36 | enouf | s/ardware/hardware |
| 15:05.39 | whadar | tralala: 10x |
| 15:05.41 | whadar | :) |
| 15:06.00 | mha13 | enouf: but acpi shutdowns my usb kernel support... |
| 15:06.01 | enouf | mha13 -- try pci=noacpi |
| 15:06.09 | thefish | that's not fair |
| 15:06.20 | tralala | whadar: eh... sure |
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| 15:06.24 | lunitik | &fair |
| 15:06.24 | aptitude | Life isn't fair. Get over it. |
| 15:06.27 | whadar | nfs server install looks for 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic while im using2.6.17-1-486 |
| 15:06.29 | mha13 | enouf:i know it work ,, but i cannot shutdown my pc using that |
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| 15:06.44 | enouf | mha13: so only the PCI bus wil stop with the ACPI -- what system is this - a Desktop ...AMD k7? |
| 15:06.54 | mha13 | enouf:yep |
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| 15:07.07 | PDani_ | hi |
| 15:07.20 | tralala | mha13: why do you insist on acpi? Can't you just use apm? |
| 15:07.26 | whadar | oh the install seems to look for the kernel that i use in the normal environment and not on the chroot's kernel :/ |
| 15:07.28 | enouf | mha13 : oh ..have you tried a BIOS update ? Scan the manual for Power Management and APIC settings (Enabled?) |
| 15:07.31 | Tallu | Hmm for some reason whenever I restart my computer I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers in order to boot gnome |
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| 15:07.55 | mha13 | enouf:acpi is enabled and bios is on the newest version |
| 15:07.56 | lunitik | Tallu: you mean re-modprobe? |
| 15:08.06 | lunitik | Tallu: throw the module into /etc/modules ... |
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| 15:08.26 | PDani_ | i have a i945G integrated graphics chip, and 7.0.22 xorg, and when i start the xorg, it stops with 11 signal |
| 15:08.47 | PDani_ | it's complaining about unresolved symbol, or something |
| 15:08.51 | PDani_ | and prints a backtrace |
| 15:08.57 | enouf | mha13 : ahh yes, since the USB Controller is through the SB, then yes stopping support up the PCI bus will likely mess with any cards, your HDDs, and the USB Controller(s) |
| 15:09.10 | enouf | s/up/to |
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| 15:09.30 | Tallu | lunitik: okay:) |
| 15:09.39 | mha13 | enouf:k ill test the apm package .. |
| 15:09.50 | Apleca | irc-debian-es |
| 15:10.17 | lunitik | Apleca: looking for spanish debian channel? |
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| 15:10.44 | enouf | mha13 -- I said APIC, not ACPI :-( and pnP OS enabled ?? |
| 15:10.51 | enouf | PnP |
| 15:11.23 | mha13 | enouf: sorry for my newbilty but how i chek pnp support ? |
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| 15:12.05 | cydork | &es |
| 15:12.05 | aptitude | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:12.27 | whadar | why chrooted installs looks for the wrong kernel? |
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| 15:13.10 | enouf | mha13 In BIOS on main config page (should be) -- look art the mobo manual |
| 15:13.15 | tralala | whadar: what do you mean? |
| 15:13.19 | enouf | s/art/at |
| 15:13.36 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.46 | enouf | okie ;-) |
| 15:14.22 | whadar | tralala: i think i understand... a chroot runs on the container kernel right? |
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| 15:14.45 | tralala | whadar: certainly! Everything runs on it. |
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| 15:15.23 | tralala | that said - there's no point in installing another kernel for chroot. If you want to play with the kernel check out the UML. |
| 15:15.46 | mr_claus_ | hi, i tried to install libnss-ldap and got that error "Bareword found where operator expected at -e line 1," |
| 15:16.03 | whadar | tralala: right... and the /lib/modules/* in the chroot is not the same kernel as the running kernel |
| 15:16.09 | whadar | at least for me... |
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| 15:17.00 | whadar | so when installing nfs-kernel-server... i think it looks for the running kernel and then trying to get to it on /lib/modules... |
| 15:17.08 | cydork | mr_claus_, sid?? |
| 15:17.17 | whadar | that's why i get: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 15:17.23 | Nenillo | hi, I have lost my exim4.conf.template file, how can I recover it? dpkg -reinstall or something like that? |
| 15:17.29 | mr_claus_ | cydork: etch |
| 15:17.32 | whadar | 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic is my running kernel |
| 15:17.43 | mha13 | thnx ppl have to go ... (reboot) |
| 15:17.48 | psycodad | anybody knows if the HP Ultra320 Controller (found in i.e. Proliant ML 110) is supported by Sarge ? I am about to buy such a box.. any hints would be appreciated |
| 15:17.58 | whadar | how can i overcome this issue? |
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| 15:18.11 | abrotman | Nenillo: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:18.17 | Nenillo | ok |
| 15:18.35 | cydork | mr_claus_, it's a perl script error, check BTS or report a bug. |
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| 15:19.03 | mr_claus_ | cydork: BTS? |
| 15:19.04 | tralala | dpkg_: test |
| 15:19.09 | cydork | !bts |
| 15:19.10 | dpkg_ | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 15:19.10 | tralala | dpkg: test |
| 15:19.10 | dpkg_ | No, tralala, you're not online any more. |
| 15:19.23 | mr_claus_ | cydork: ty |
| 15:19.33 | Nenillo | !confmiss |
| 15:19.34 | dpkg_ | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 15:21.16 | pdani | why doesn't answer me dpkg? i sent a "fudo" message to it, and it doesn't respond |
| 15:21.33 | cydork | pdani, try dpkg_ |
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| 15:21.37 | dabreegster | It's down right now, aptitude is here |
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| 15:21.48 | tralala | for one thing the exploit guy wasn't lying - he was from iran (National Iranian Oil Company). What a cool ISP! |
| 15:22.22 | stew | pdani: dpkg is wrongly named dpkg_ currently and therefore is not identified to nickserv and therefore cannot send messages |
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| 15:23.06 | tralala | pdani: you'd have to msg one of the other bots |
| 15:23.18 | whadar | i chroot kernel must be the same as the running kernel? |
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| 15:23.31 | whadar | the chroot kernel... |
| 15:23.33 | tralala | whadar: you don't need a kernel in chroot |
| 15:24.05 | whadar | what is /lib/modules/*/modules.dep? |
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| 15:24.14 | opqdonut | dpkg? |
| 15:24.28 | tralala | dpkg_: rename yourself! |
| 15:24.38 | opqdonut | whadar: contains the dependency information of modules |
| 15:24.48 | opqdonut | whadar: can be recreated with depmod -a |
| 15:24.54 | opqdonut | :o |
| 15:25.16 | tralala | LoRez: that was brutal! ;) |
| 15:25.25 | tralala | poor bot |
| 15:25.47 | whadar | "Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-generic/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory..." |
| 15:26.13 | tralala | LoRez: you've hurt him, he ain't coming back |
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| 15:26.55 | tralala | dpkg: oh, here you are! wb |
| 15:26.58 | tralala | dpkg: wb |
| 15:26.59 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
| 15:27.04 | enouf | welcome back dpkg |
| 15:27.15 | whadar | i still don't understand why it looks under 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic... :( |
| 15:27.18 | Nigromante | dpkg: hi |
| 15:27.19 | dpkg | moin moin |
| 15:27.36 | Nigromante | dpkg: help |
| 15:27.55 | pdani | hm... i have a problem with kde package on etch: kde: Depends: kdewebdev (>= 4:3.4.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:28.05 | pdani | is it because of the repository problems? |
| 15:28.17 | whadar | opqdonut: also fails |
| 15:28.33 | whadar | opqdonut: the depmod... |
| 15:29.04 | opqdonut | have you got /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-generic ? |
| 15:29.24 | whadar | nope... |
| 15:29.53 | whadar | ive got /lib/modules/2.6.17-1-486 |
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| 15:30.36 | whadar | i need to redirect somehow to this directory... |
| 15:30.41 | opqdonut | whadar: that's the problem. how did you install this kernel? |
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| 15:31.08 | opqdonut | whadar: what kernel are you running atm? "uname -r" tells you |
| 15:31.12 | whadar | with debian-live |
| 15:31.18 | whadar | make-live |
| 15:31.36 | opqdonut | whadar: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:31.50 | whadar | im running 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic kernel |
| 15:32.04 | opqdonut | whadar: that's why it looks in /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-generic |
| 15:32.06 | whadar | im trying to install nfs-kernel-server... |
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| 15:32.59 | whadar | but i dont use 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic for the chroot... |
| 15:33.17 | opqdonut | oh you're chrooting. i see |
| 15:33.25 | whadar | :) |
| 15:33.47 | opqdonut | best would probably to boot into the system for real. i don't think there's a way to fool the kernel version... |
| 15:33.54 | whadar | ha... |
| 15:34.02 | whadar | or use the same kernel... |
| 15:34.16 | opqdonut | yeah |
| 15:34.21 | Nigromante | dpkg: exim4 |
| 15:34.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. |
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| 15:34.35 | cydork | Nigromante, use /msg dpkg |
| 15:34.40 | Nigromante | sorry |
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| 15:35.45 | gutano | sharing an access database, but some machines of no identifiable similarity load portions of the database with a 3-4 minute delay, the smbd process sits around 50% |
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| 15:36.07 | gutano | I've tried disabling oplocks, level2 oplocks on the samba server... various socket options, but no luck |
| 15:36.49 | gutano | also tried upgrading from 3.0.14 to 3.0.22 |
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| 15:37.54 | llp | is there any place where I could get support for comas? |
| 15:37.58 | abrotman | gutano: have you considered it could be a problem with access? |
| 15:38.17 | abrotman | gutano: also .. try asking #samba |
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| 15:39.21 | gutano | abrotman: the machines all have the same version of access, and do not behave the same.. =/ I re-installed on of the desktop yesterday, same thing with a clean setup |
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| 15:39.35 | llp | I installed it as is on documentation, and I have as answer: "Undefined subroutine &Comas::handler called. \n" on apache/error.log |
| 15:39.41 | gutano | abrotman: the machines that work, work with _no_ delay |
| 15:39.56 | abrotman | gutano: so you can have multiple touch it with no delay ? |
| 15:40.09 | gutano | abrotman: and puting the db on one of the windows boxen completely solves the problem |
| 15:40.12 | abrotman | where's ry1 |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | gutano: and #samba had no suggestions? |
| 15:40.34 | gutano | abrotman: no response |
| 15:40.45 | abrotman | most of the time i see delays with windows boxes going to unix boxes .. it's dns issues |
| 15:40.53 | abrotman | though .. with samba .. should be using nmbd |
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| 15:41.03 | abrotman | gutano: erm .. is perhaps the XP firewall running ? |
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| 15:41.50 | gutano | abrotman: it initially opens the main menu plenty fast, but opening any of the query pages is where it is slow, and they are also loading from an IP mapped drive, so I don't think dns is an issue, I have disabled firewall/anti-virus |
| 15:42.09 | abrotman | gutano: yes .. XP maps via IP .. but what does samba look for? |
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| 15:42.39 | gutano | abrotman: not sure I know what your asking |
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| 15:43.49 | abrotman | gutano: when the samba machine tries to respond .. is it responding via name or IP |
| 15:44.05 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:44.11 | gutano | abrotman: oh, I don't know how samba operates in that respect... |
| 15:44.20 | gutano | abrotman: it is configurable? |
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| 15:44.24 | abrotman | i would guess it tries to respond by the netbios name |
| 15:44.40 | abrotman | gutano: i have no idea about that configuration option |
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| 15:47.47 | gutano | abrotman: I have the samba server setup to run as the wins server... and I think it's fast initial response indicates it doesn't have a problem resolving client address |
| 15:48.04 | gutano | abrotman: again, the share operates fine with other files/transfers... but very slow with the DB (transferring the db to the desktop takes 5 secs, but loading a query screen 4 mins) |
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| 15:54.57 | qbit_wrk | mmmhmmm |
| 15:55.00 | qbit_wrk | :) |
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| 15:59.29 | abrotman | gutano: i'm just trying to look for some commonality |
| 16:00.10 | gutano | abrotman: /nods yeah, it's been a struggle session so far.... I've tried everything I can find |
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| 16:02.16 | qbit_wrk | anyone have a netgear usb wireless adapter working? it uses the prism2 chipset.. i can modprobe prism2_usb .. but the interface never comes up |
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| 16:04.28 | PDani | hi |
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| 16:04.30 | Kronoz | can the feaure of 32bit packages in a 32 enviroment on 64 debian as planned for stable-etch be used yet? |
| 16:05.00 | tarzeau | i guess you mean i386 and amd64? |
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| 16:05.02 | PDani | can i install an i386 package on an amd64 machine, and can i use it with ia32-libs? |
| 16:05.29 | abrotman | gutano: you could try a tcpdump or something |
| 16:05.46 | abrotman | Kronoz: multi-arch ? |
| 16:05.55 | Kronoz | abrotman, yes |
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| 16:08.18 | SpeedyG | the ultimate linux case: http://www.baber.com/cases/penguin.htm |
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| 16:09.27 | LinuxHelp | how do I change my default desktop environment (eg kde to gnome) for xdm? (debs testing) |
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| 16:11.20 | enouf | LinuxHelp: dpkg-reconfigure ?dm |
| 16:11.45 | enouf | LinuxHelp: lemme try update alternatives too - hold on... |
| 16:12.52 | enouf | LinuxHelp: well if there are any - I can't find them yet :-p |
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| 16:13.26 | LinuxHelp | enouf, dpkg-reconfigure xdm dont work |
| 16:13.28 | enouf | LinuxHelp: the ? means k, x, g, ... for kdm, xdm, gdm |
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| 16:13.40 | enouf | LinuxHelp: really ? |
| 16:13.41 | LinuxHelp | nothing really happens.. |
| 16:13.49 | enouf | hrmm... |
| 16:14.12 | enouf | LinuxHelp: Do youhave the others installed ? |
| 16:14.25 | LinuxHelp | just xdm, and kde-core |
| 16:14.30 | LinuxHelp | and X and stuff |
| 16:14.58 | enouf | LinuxHelp: Oh -- I see - you want to tell xdm to cahnge the default startup env ..? |
| 16:15.09 | LinuxHelp | yeah |
| 16:15.18 | PDani | which is the most simple way to get working the flashplugin on amd64? |
| 16:15.21 | LinuxHelp | was enlightenment, now needs to be kde |
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| 16:15.50 | wols_ | PDani: run a 32bit browser |
| 16:16.02 | enouf | LinuxHelp: Doesn't the Logon give the options to choose ? |
| 16:16.17 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: kdm does. alt+t |
| 16:16.29 | LinuxHelp | enouf, no.. its the simplistic xdm login with "username, password" thats it |
| 16:16.36 | enouf | LinuxHelp: You may need to install more than kde-core ...such as |
| 16:16.38 | enouf | !kde |
| 16:16.39 | dpkg | kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 16:16.55 | enouf | !install kde |
| 16:16.55 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:17.00 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: /etc/alternatives/window-manager is a symlink to what? |
| 16:17.18 | PDani | wols_: in a chroot, or is it enough to use ia32-libs? |
| 16:17.54 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.59 | LinuxHelp | */ |
| 16:18.59 | IOscanner | has anyone had problems using cups with debian. I can't create a new printer it errors with client-error-not-authorized when I try from the url or from lpadmin |
| 16:19.43 | LinuxHelp | anyway, so when I try to login with xdm, the screen just blanks after I press enter |
| 16:20.09 | LinuxHelp | which I assume means "cant find desktop environment" or similar |
| 16:20.16 | twotwenty | <Scorpius> Linux sucks at workstation |
| 16:20.20 | wols_ | LinuxHelp: ~/.xinitrc put startkde in there |
| 16:21.22 | enouf | LinuxHelp: You could just login to console and run 'startkde' I believe -- and/or maybe change that entry to ...oh well - i have x-window-manager there instead |
| 16:21.29 | LinuxHelp | omg, LoL, I dont have /home/ :P |
| 16:21.32 | LinuxHelp | no wonder |
| 16:21.43 | enouf | Wha??? |
| 16:21.46 | g333k | hi, I have configured my sound system with "alsaconf", I rebooted and now it is unset, I have do it again, why does my debian didnt sabe the configuration? |
| 16:22.04 | LinuxHelp | don' worry, I just need to recreate the users and dirs, and that should fix it |
| 16:22.49 | cydork | g333k, just use alsactl store !! |
| 16:23.03 | tralala | g333k: are you sure it didn't? What does alsamixer show? |
| 16:23.09 | g333k | cydork, I did |
| 16:24.05 | g333k | tralala, it shows the volume controls of my soundcard |
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| 16:25.10 | tralala | g333k: so your configuration seems to be saved |
| 16:25.53 | g333k | tralala, but my xmms, amarok, gxine, etc doenst play any sound... until I do alsaconf again |
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| 16:26.00 | kryl | hi |
| 16:26.15 | kryl | gomera:/usr/src/linux# mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.16.7 2.6.17.7 |
| 16:26.15 | kryl | find: /lib/modules/2.6.17.7/kernel/drivers/ide: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 16:26.19 | kryl | what's the matter? |
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| 16:28.47 | tralala | g333k: your mixer controls are probably muted |
| 16:29.18 | tralala | g333k: unmute them with alsamixer, adjust the levels and then save them with alsactl store (as root) |
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| 16:30.50 | cds | Is vlc not in testing? |
| 16:31.01 | kryl | what I miss in the kernel configuration please? |
| 16:31.29 | wols_ | kryl: doubt there are many people here speaking french... |
| 16:31.40 | kryl | not a problem |
| 16:31.47 | stew | it says no such file or directory in french |
| 16:31.56 | kryl | it just say : no file or directory ... |
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| 16:32.23 | wols_ | does this ide directory exist? |
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| 16:33.18 | tralala | cds: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 16:33.19 | stew | kryl: you might try running "depmod -v 2.6.16.7" then try again |
| 16:34.10 | cds | tralala: Well, I'm getting "E: Package vlc has no installation candidate" |
| 16:34.18 | kryl | it say exactly the same thing after this command :-( |
| 16:34.21 | cds | tralala: And I'm following the instructions on the website. |
| 16:34.40 | stew | kryl: is by chance / a reiserfs partition? |
| 16:34.51 | tralala | cds: did you check the pdo already? |
| 16:34.58 | kryl | yes |
| 16:35.01 | kryl | no |
| 16:35.02 | kryl | ext3 sorry |
| 16:35.17 | kryl | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 16:35.19 | stew | kryl: does /lib/modules/2.6.17.7/kernel/drivers/ide exist? |
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| 16:35.36 | MFox | anyone have Zend Decoder ? :D |
| 16:35.47 | MFox | first of all Hi :D |
| 16:35.52 | wols_ | MFox: zend does. last I heard |
| 16:36.04 | MFox | ! |
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| 16:36.55 | cds | tralala: Well, I can't find it there. |
| 16:36.59 | kryl | stew, no |
| 16:37.03 | kryl | that's the problem |
| 16:37.05 | halux | hi all, someone knows if the latest testing installer includes a 2.6.17 kernel ? My target device is a promise fasttrak tx4310 controller, looks like it is supported since 2.6.17.... |
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| 16:37.22 | wols_ | kryl: then make it |
| 16:37.25 | kryl | I'm searching what I miss in the configuration |
| 16:37.38 | kryl | and I don't know what part I have to select for that |
| 16:37.49 | wols_ | man mkdir is what you need |
| 16:37.59 | Luke771 | hi. you know any linux msn client that does voice conversation? |
| 16:38.02 | wols_ | at least it can't hurt |
| 16:38.11 | Tallu | Uhm, I wonder what happened. I was on as root for a while, now when I try to su to root, it says password incorrect, I can't even log in as root from the console. Just keeps bugging about incorrect login. I tried to check if my keyboard is broken but thats not the issue. |
| 16:38.47 | tralala | cds: this means it's not in etch |
| 16:38.57 | cds | tralala: How come it isn't? |
| 16:39.17 | cds | tralala: if it's in unstable and stable? |
| 16:39.21 | wols_ | cds: WAG: license/patent issues |
| 16:39.29 | cds | WAG? |
| 16:39.38 | wols_ | wild ass guess |
| 16:39.44 | cds | Ah. |
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| 16:39.55 | cds | Hm, can't see it being so, if it's in the other two. |
| 16:39.57 | Tallu | Any way for me to check if root somehow got 'disabled' or something, when I no longer have root priviledges, and am unable to login as root |
| 16:40.29 | tralala | cds: go to the unstable package page and click on the "developer information" link |
| 16:40.30 | wols_ | sounds more like a password was changed. check timestamps for /etc/shadow* |
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| 16:41.49 | Tallu | wols_, it says they've been last edited on 2006-07-30.. And I was just in as root |
| 16:42.07 | cds | tralala: Ah, right. Thanks :) |
| 16:42.34 | qbit_wrk | mmmmmmm you touch my tralala! |
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| 16:42.42 | holycow | guys, anyone here use a SCSI raid card that can do hardware raid with simple raid 1 config? i'm looking for one that is known to be recognized by the installer ... i'm thinking adaptec something or other right? |
| 16:42.53 | Tallu | wols_, also, no one should be able to change it since no one else has access to the box at the moment, unless someone just happened to get a lucky guess with user/pass in first 3 tries and then managed to escalate |
| 16:43.21 | nimurphy | hi, just installed testing and having some basic problems - keyboard mapping wrong and xdm won't start because can't detect mouse. there is a mouse. |
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| 16:44.00 | tralala | cds: sure |
| 16:44.41 | cds | Hm... does this explain why it appears to be broken in stable? |
| 16:44.56 | cds | I'm getting a lot of "...is not gonig to be installed" dependencies. |
| 16:45.03 | tralala | cds: It's not broken in stable |
| 16:45.30 | nimurphy | any help on that? i'm pretty lost in command line |
| 16:45.33 | wols_ | !tell nimurphy about !drxx |
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| 16:45.51 | wols_ | !tell nimurphy about drxx |
| 16:46.24 | Tallu | So umm, is there anything I can do or will I have to reinstall the system? I dont have sudo or anything like that installed |
| 16:46.29 | cds | Bah, why has it removed amarok?? |
| 16:46.46 | wols_ | Tallu: boot from a live cd |
| 16:47.09 | Tallu | wols_, uhm okay, I'll have to download one. What should I do after booting from one? |
| 16:47.45 | wols_ | Tallu: look at the system. I dunno why it does it, so I can't tell you what to do |
| 16:47.51 | Tallu | What live cd would you recommend? |
| 16:47.53 | Tallu | Hmm okay |
| 16:47.56 | kryl | perhaps somebody can help me to know what I have to select to obtain this directory : /lib/modules/2.6.17.7/kernel/drivers/ide ? |
| 16:48.18 | wols_ | anyone you want. try damnsmalllinux: it's the smallest |
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| 16:48.37 | wols_ | kryl: you need a ide module. have you made the directory like I told you to? |
| 16:48.42 | wols_ | with mkdir? |
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| 16:49.50 | SpeedyG | does debian have a vnc-like program thats as 'nice' as mstsc in windows? |
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| 16:50.11 | tralala | kryl: just use a debian kernel image - it's there for a reason |
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| 16:50.15 | cds | Anyone fancy helping me get amarok back behind all this apt dependency hell? |
| 16:50.30 | wols_ | cds: why would there be a apt dependency hell? |
| 16:50.43 | cds | Because apt, it appears, is just as bad as yum for dependences :) |
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| 16:51.21 | wols_ | cds: if apt has dependency problems, I know who screwed it up. hint: it's not apt |
| 16:51.22 | cds | vlc depended on libmodplug0, which wanted to remove amarok. |
| 16:51.33 | wols_ | apt-get install amarok, done |
| 16:51.39 | kryl | tralala, it's obscure for me |
| 16:51.44 | wols_ | and if you are using non debian packages: you are on your own |
| 16:51.44 | cds | Which I didn't realise until I hit 'y', and it was gone. |
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| 16:51.56 | cds | So I tried doing apt-get install amarok. |
| 16:51.56 | kryl | wols_, sorry I don't see that sentence |
| 16:52.02 | MFox | Zend Decoder ? ? ? :( |
| 16:52.03 | MFox | :(( |
| 16:52.06 | cds | Which now depends on a ton of other stuff. |
| 16:52.09 | cds | Which have now gone. |
| 16:52.22 | cds | And no, I'm not using any non-debian packages. |
| 16:52.48 | cds | So I now have neither vlc or amarok. |
| 16:52.50 | wols_ | well you are mixing branches. another thing you aren't supposed to do unless you know what you're doing |
| 16:53.14 | wols_ | !tell cds about simple sid backport |
| 16:53.31 | cds | If you consider having to use stable because something isn't in testing, sure :) |
| 16:53.52 | cds | I'm so going to ignore that bot. |
| 16:54.40 | Tallu | wols_, interesting. I just ran the recovery mode, it asked for root passwd for maintainance and accepted my pass.. that's really weird. Lets see if it accepts it on the normal run now. |
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| 16:56.03 | ciduz | hi |
| 16:56.12 | Tallu | wols_, nope, no luck. |
| 16:56.39 | wols_ | Tallu: very very weird. boot in maintenance mode and check your logs |
| 16:56.44 | wols_ | maybe they show some error(s) |
| 16:57.01 | ciduz | I got some small problem. While trying to install my rtl8139 pci network card, the sarge system doesn't seem to activate the driver, although I typed "modprobe drivername" and there were no error messages |
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| 16:57.29 | wols_ | amd when in maintenance mode, reset your root password |
| 16:57.53 | wols_ | ciduz: which driver? |
| 16:58.15 | ciduz | hm.. the module rtl8139* |
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| 16:58.26 | ciduz | dunno the end now because I am in my windows system |
| 16:58.33 | ciduz | (multiboot) |
| 16:58.34 | zinx | not 8139too? |
| 16:58.50 | wols_ | 8139too is the only proper driver for that card |
| 16:58.53 | ciduz | zinx: that's it.yeah. I did modprobe 8139too |
| 16:59.17 | xnor | Is there any easy way of moving from an old disk to a new? i got lots of bad blocks, and now i have 1 old disk and the new one in my machine.? |
| 16:59.21 | ciduz | then I typed cat /proc/modules | grep 8139, and he gave me the driver, but inactive (0) |
| 17:00.16 | zinx | dmesg will tell you what's up, lspci will tell you if you really have a RTL8139 series card |
| 17:00.17 | StFS | Hello. Can anyone tell me what "flavor" (architecture) would be best for me to set up on an Intel Pentium "D" machine? |
| 17:00.17 | wols_ | ciduz: you sure you have a 8139 too? checked with lspci? |
| 17:00.18 | ciduz | zinx: I really got one (I built it in before and dmesg as well as lspci shows me the correct card) |
| 17:00.18 | zinx | dmesg should report that it detected the card, if it did.. if there are no messages related to 8139too or networking, then you probably don't have one |
| 17:00.18 | wols_ | StFS: 386 |
| 17:00.18 | Tallu | wols_, auth log showed no spam of attempted logins.. last was 31st last month. I reset the password and was able to login. Should I check any other logs? |
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| 17:00.47 | StFS | wols_: ok... and should I then upgrade the kernel to the 64 bit architecture or should I just use the vanilla 386 stuff? |
| 17:00.48 | wols_ | Tallu: I would. and just to make sure running chkrootkit etc if you have a internet connection in any way |
| 17:01.01 | zinx | ciduz: if dmesg reports it was detected, then you just need to set it up and bring the interface up |
| 17:01.15 | wols_ | StFS: you cannot upgrade 386 to amd64. and you don't want to run amd64 either since it would give you too many problems |
| 17:01.29 | zinx | ciduz: once it's configured, you can bring it up with ifup eth0 (it's probably eth0, anyway - dmesg should tell you) |
| 17:01.37 | StFS | wols_: yeah but this is not amd64 it's em64t |
| 17:01.48 | Tallu | wols_, heh, I meant what logs would be useful to view in a situation like this.. I'm rather new to all this, I'm sorry. I have chkrootkit running on daily basis, only thing it complains about is one of my nics being in prominescent mode |
| 17:01.48 | wols_ | StFS: it is the same. different name, same thing |
| 17:01.55 | StFS | wols_: ahh I see |
| 17:02.00 | ciduz | zinx: but mustn't it be indecated with (1) in /proc/modules instead of (0) ? |
| 17:02.08 | zinx | ciduz: No. |
| 17:02.18 | zinx | ciduz: if the interface is down, it's generally not being used by anything. |
| 17:02.21 | wols_ | ciduz: you're not using it, are you? |
| 17:02.23 | ciduz | you know..doing iconfig, there is just the lo0 interface. |
| 17:02.25 | wols_ | since it's not activated |
| 17:02.37 | wols_ | ciduz: ifconfig -a, and it will show |
| 17:02.40 | zinx | ciduz: ifconfig only lists interfaces that are up by default |
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| 17:02.45 | ciduz | wols_: you're right |
| 17:02.46 | wols_ | ifconfig only shows configured NICs |
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| 17:02.55 | wols_ | Tallu: probably syslog |
| 17:03.09 | ciduz | okay.. so could you probably tell me where to find a tutorial about how to continue from that point (hopefully it works) ? |
| 17:03.22 | ciduz | so entering a nameserver..setting dhcp and connecting to the internet? |
| 17:03.39 | wols_ | ciduz: man interfaces. that's all you need. after you edited /etc/network/interfaces, run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:03.43 | wols_ | and you're done |
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| 17:04.28 | ciduz | okay. thank you much. Ill come back if I don't succeed |
| 17:04.29 | ciduz | bye |
| 17:04.53 | diilbertAtwork | What would I do to update to 2.6.12 from 2.6.8, since I noticed there is no image in the repos. |
| 17:05.54 | wols_ | why 2.6.12 in particular? |
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| 17:07.44 | Tallu | wols_, thanks for your help.. much appreciated :) |
| 17:08.09 | diilbertAtwork | wols_: Or something newer then 2.6.8 |
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| 17:09.06 | wols_ | !backports |
| 17:09.06 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 17:09.26 | wols_ | or backports.org |
| 17:09.53 | diilbertAtwork | dpkg is cool, it think everyone should have a bot like him |
| 17:09.58 | diilbertAtwork | or it or whatever |
| 17:09.59 | diilbertAtwork | :d |
| 17:10.14 | stew | !gender |
| 17:10.14 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
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| 17:10.26 | diilbertAtwork | stew: lol |
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| 17:11.44 | scenestar | oi |
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| 17:11.56 | Eclipser | how can I, or is there a way to take a screenshot so that it would include all virtual desktops? :) |
| 17:11.58 | scenestar | does anyone know how i can quickly list all installed packages for a new isntall |
| 17:12.31 | diilbertAtwork | wols_: Thanks |
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| 17:14.20 | abrotman | scenestar: dpkg -l ^.i or dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:14.29 | scenestar | abrotman |
| 17:14.30 | scenestar | thanks |
| 17:14.41 | abrotman | erm .. forgot the grep |
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| 17:15.18 | nimurphy | hi, back again. anyone know of any old video cards with SST chip? |
| 17:15.20 | scenestar | what |
| 17:15.30 | abrotman | scenestar: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 17:15.43 | scenestar | yeah i sthought so |
| 17:16.03 | nimurphy | tryin to configure xserver, need card manufacture.sst not in list, can't find video driver for it |
| 17:16.06 | blackelf | how to set it, that files create by my users are group writable by default? |
| 17:16.11 | blackelf | some umask setting or soemthing? |
| 17:16.15 | scenestar | abrotman |
| 17:16.19 | abrotman | yes? |
| 17:16.35 | scenestar | how can i format it so that i can incorporate it into one single apt-get install command? |
| 17:16.49 | abrotman | !tell scenestar about debian clone |
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| 17:17.02 | scenestar | thanks dude |
| 17:17.05 | scenestar | i owe you one |
| 17:17.19 | abrotman | mmm .. beer |
| 17:17.28 | scenestar | hah |
| 17:17.36 | scenestar | ill paypall you one when i get my paycheck |
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| 17:18.52 | SpeedyG | hey guys, during ./configure of pure-ftpd I get this error, but I can't find what to do about it (don't know what to install/modify). the error: "configure: error: PAM headers not found." |
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| 17:19.44 | roxy_ | How do I set different nick on different server using irssi ? |
| 17:19.48 | abrotman | SpeedyG: you need a -dev for libpam |
| 17:19.54 | abrotman | roxy_: ask #irssi |
| 17:20.01 | roxy_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:20.04 | wols_ | SpeedyG: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=pam.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 17:20.14 | abrotman | oh yeah .. my prodcutivity is going up! |
| 17:20.34 | petemc | roxy_: ^ x changes server in the status window, then /nick foo |
| 17:20.34 | nimurphy | anyone know about sst video chips? |
| 17:20.34 | abrotman | aren't they dead? |
| 17:20.35 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 17:20.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:20.43 | nimurphy | probably |
| 17:21.01 | SpeedyG | thanks abrotman :) |
| 17:21.04 | SpeedyG | that fixed it :) |
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| 17:21.29 | abrotman | nimurphy: whta do you want with an SST board? |
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| 17:22.23 | nimurphy | setting up xserver, my graphics card has an sst chip. no listing for it in reconfigure and can't find a driver |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 17:22.49 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 17:22.59 | TankerJoe | Hello all, I tried to use the installer last night on my (older) Compaq presario, and something wierd happened. It booted to the install prompt, I hit enter, and it started to unpack the kernel, vmlinuz etc. Then the PC would just reboot ...as if I pressed the reset button or something... rinse wash repeat. I tried searching on the forums etc, but could not find anything similar. Has anyone seen this problem before? Any ideas? |
| 17:22.59 | abrotman | nimurphy: what's the line from lspci ? |
| 17:23.04 | SpeedyG | and question 2: if i've installed something with dpkg -i, how can I remove that then? :) |
| 17:23.12 | abrotman | TankerJoe: try the other kernel |
| 17:23.19 | abrotman | SpeedyG: with apt-get,aptitude or dpkg |
| 17:23.26 | elias | Is there a way with ACLs or something else to make all new files and/or folders created in one dir belong to a certain group? |
| 17:24.03 | TankerJoe | abrotman: did that tried boot commands: linux, linux26, expert, and expert26. same result. |
| 17:24.05 | enouf | scenestar: if you want to read the list 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | less' - just ignore any that don't have 'ii' (installed) -- or alternatively 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | ^.i | less' ..Want a File of the list? 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l > packages.txt' you can drop the COLUMNS= is you like |
| 17:24.13 | TankerJoe | BTW thank you. |
| 17:24.31 | enouf | abrotman: thanks for the [^.i] info ;-) |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | TankerJoe: which installer ? |
| 17:24.53 | scenestar | thanks |
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| 17:25.04 | scenestar | i have to setup a large variety of linux machines |
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| 17:25.22 | abrotman | scenestar: all debian ? |
| 17:25.22 | TankerJoe | Debian Sarge 3.1 netinstall image. downloaded (last night) iso burned to a cd. |
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| 17:25.27 | scenestar | but because theyre all different kinds i cant jsut do a network image |
| 17:25.32 | scenestar | abrotman : naturally |
| 17:25.34 | abrotman | TankerJoe: try some of the other options |
| 17:25.46 | abrotman | scenestar: look at FAI and/or apt-proxy |
| 17:26.04 | scenestar | you mean a local repos? |
| 17:26.26 | peder_ | I am trying to compile, and I get these errors: http://pastebin.no/214 |
| 17:26.27 | nimurphy | nvidia riva. funny, nothin written on the card. |
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| 17:26.31 | qbit_wrk | anyone know if you can make changes to modules.conf take effect without rebooting? |
| 17:26.54 | scenestar | abrotman that sounds like a great idea |
| 17:27.00 | abrotman | !b-e peder_ |
| 17:27.00 | dpkg | peder_: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 17:27.05 | scenestar | i have to setup 2 fileservers and a tornode |
| 17:27.07 | elias | nobody any idea about ACLs? |
| 17:27.33 | peder_ | oh.. |
| 17:27.40 | nimurphy | presume that's nv on the driver list |
| 17:28.19 | peder_ | abrotman- tried, didnt work any better though :< |
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| 17:29.26 | TankerJoe | abrotman: I did try a few other options. I was just hoping to get a clue as to which ones might matter here. |
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| 17:31.19 | enouf | nimurphy: is that cause you loaded the nv driver ? -- do lspci -v |
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| 17:32.05 | DocTomoe | I have a major dpkg issue ... Something got stuck during an apt-get dist-upgrade, and I do not seem to either install, reinstall, remove or purge libapache-mod-tsunami, which was selected as a dependency of something other. Keeps telling me apache is not installed (which is correct as I use apache2). dpkg -r libapache-mod-tsunami won't work, too. Ignoring is not an option, as this jams every activity with the package manager. Any helpful i |
| 17:32.14 | g333k | hi, what does the following lines mean in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file? options snd-bt87x index=-2 |
| 17:32.14 | g333k | options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2 |
| 17:32.14 | g333k | options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 |
| 17:32.14 | g333k | options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2 |
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| 17:32.34 | qbit_wrk | hehe |
| 17:32.45 | g333k | >.< |
| 17:32.56 | jeeves_Moss | where are our torrent guys in here? I need a hand with setting up a tracker. |
| 17:33.17 | Ronin | jeeves_Moss: not exactly a debian problem now is it :) |
| 17:33.20 | abrotman | TankerJoe: acpi maybe |
| 17:33.29 | abrotman | peder_: that should work for oyu |
| 17:33.54 | peder_ | abrotman- it didnt.. |
| 17:34.20 | g333k | hi, what do these lines mean in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file? http://pastebin.ca/122412 |
| 17:34.21 | abrotman | peder_: gcc -version |
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| 17:34.27 | jeeves_Moss | Ronin: well, it'll be running on a Debian system. Sudgestions on a channel for my specific issue? I didden't see a torrent channel |
| 17:34.41 | LeoD | hi, i have a problem with installing debian |
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| 17:35.01 | Ronin | !ask |
| 17:35.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:35.03 | LeoD | it doesn't see my hd |
| 17:35.06 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:35.18 | wols_ | LeoD: what IDE controller? what mainboard chipset? |
| 17:35.33 | LeoD | uhm |
| 17:35.41 | peder_ | abrotman: gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 17:35.45 | wols_ | what cpu then? |
| 17:36.01 | LeoD | amd 64 3200+ |
| 17:36.26 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 17:36.35 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 17:36.36 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 17:36.51 | abrotman | peder_: are you using 64bit sarge? |
| 17:36.52 | wols_ | damn, where is the newer kernel image isntaller gone to. |
| 17:36.58 | wols_ | try "linux26" on the bootprompt then |
| 17:37.00 | abrotman | !find libgcc.a sarge |
| 17:37.04 | abrotman | wols_: eh ? |
| 17:37.08 | peder_ | abrotman- yea.. what about trying to install 32bit libs ? |
| 17:37.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgcc.a' (5 of 13): (/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.8.1/libgcc.a) in devel/gnat ;; (/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/libgcc.a) in devel/gcc-3.3 ;; (/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.7.2.3/libgcc.a) in devel/gcc272 ;; (/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/libgcc.a) in devel/gcc-2.95 ;; (/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/libgcc.a) in devel/mingw32. |
| 17:37.15 | abrotman | doubt it will work |
| 17:37.16 | LeoD | okay |
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| 17:37.27 | wols_ | abrotman: there was a "sarge 2.6.15 factoid, a netinst with a newer kernel for sarge |
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| 17:37.29 | abrotman | peder_: apt-get install gcc-3.3 |
| 17:37.29 | LeoD | thanks |
| 17:37.36 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 17:37.36 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. or see <custom netinst>, or see <sarge 2.6.16> also |
| 17:37.41 | stew | wols_: yes, you in fact triggered it |
| 17:37.41 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 17:37.50 | abrotman | eh .. seems removed |
| 17:37.52 | peder_ | abrotman- thats newest version |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | peder_: then i'm stumped .. should be there .. try reinstalling the package |
| 17:38.05 | wols_ | stew: oops. didn't read it all |
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| 17:38.17 | wols_ | abrotman: 2.6.16 instead now |
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| 17:40.27 | nimurphy | hi, back again about xserver/gdm. keymap still totally off, mouse still not detected. reconfigured xserver-xorg, everything entered ok. |
| 17:40.41 | abrotman | wols_: dunno why |
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| 17:40.42 | a1fa | yo |
| 17:40.47 | nimurphy | can't figure it out |
| 17:40.55 | andrej42 | I have a problem with Firefox 1.5.0.5. When i try to start it, I get a messeage, saying ""usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map". Then it stops with no further message |
| 17:41.09 | a1fa | i have a problem regenerating an image with yaird.. On boot I get /sys/blocks/hda Missing. Waiting to retry |
| 17:41.10 | andrej42 | I use Debian Sarge |
| 17:41.18 | a1fa | i am using 2.6.17-1-k7 on sid |
| 17:41.18 | Jenkens | andrej42: apt-get --reinstall install pango ? |
| 17:41.27 | abrotman | wols_: oh .. that's kind of stupid .. but oh well |
| 17:41.28 | stew | a1fa: is /sys mounted? |
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| 17:41.33 | a1fa | stew : no |
| 17:41.42 | a1fa | stew : i did what you told me last night.. i added my chipset |
| 17:41.44 | stew | a1fa: mount /sys ; mount /proc |
| 17:41.51 | andrej42 | Jenkens, it woul deinstall more than half my progs and i am not very eager to try that |
| 17:41.59 | a1fa | stew : it wont work.. i cant even boot past that /sys/blocks/hda missing |
| 17:42.03 | numist | !ramdisk |
| 17:42.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ramdisk is a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
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| 17:42.11 | numist | oops, sorry, meant to send that to myself |
| 17:42.14 | Jenkens | andrej42: all it does is reinstall pango |
| 17:42.21 | cydork | numist, use /msg dpkg |
| 17:42.21 | Jenkens | apt-get -s --reinstall install pango |
| 17:42.21 | numist | !tell me about spam |
| 17:42.22 | numist | >_< |
| 17:42.27 | Jenkens | see what the simulation does |
| 17:42.27 | numist | cydork: yes, I'm aware |
| 17:42.32 | krassy | within my network i have debian running machine , the network is connected to internet.Also i have one pc running debian witch is psysicaly in another country and is connected to the internet too.may i use layer 2 bridge to connect this machine to my network ? |
| 17:42.35 | a1fa | stew : i added my chipset to yaird conf, and I added ide-generic and ide-disks after the chipset |
| 17:42.37 | stew | a1fa: do you have udev installed? |
| 17:42.52 | andrej42 | Jeevan, reinstallation of libpango1.0-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 17:42.54 | a1fa | stew : i sure dont |
| 17:42.57 | krassy | Do bridge-utils can do this ? |
| 17:42.59 | Jenkens | andrej42: just be glad you aren't building the packages from scratch.. |
| 17:43.49 | andrej42 | Jenkens, reinstallation of libpango1.0-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 17:44.02 | stew | a1fa: if this is during boot, how are you determining that /sys isn't mounted? |
| 17:44.05 | AciD | cool, got 3d with my ati, on the very first try ! |
| 17:44.07 | andrej42 | says apt-get |
| 17:44.14 | AciD | :x |
| 17:44.15 | Jenkens | andrej42: i dunno then |
| 17:44.17 | stew | a1fa: i was figuring you were getting this while building the initrd (which is where you seemed to be last night) |
| 17:44.19 | a1fa | stew : cos it says its missing |
| 17:44.23 | Jenkens | there's gotta be a pango package to download |
| 17:44.30 | a1fa | stew : i am getting it during boot |
| 17:44.36 | stew | a1fa: it says that /sys is missing? or only /sys/block/hda? |
| 17:44.39 | peder_ | abrotman- whats the package(s) for 32bit libs (dev version) ? |
| 17:44.43 | stew | or /sys/blocks/hda |
| 17:44.44 | a1fa | stew : only /sys/block/hda |
| 17:44.46 | andrej42 | Jenkens, strange |
| 17:44.56 | andrej42 | there are severall libpangos |
| 17:45.04 | Jenkens | exactly |
| 17:45.17 | andrej42 | but dependencies only mention libpango1.0-0 |
| 17:45.31 | Jenkens | apt-get -s --reinstall install libpango1.0.0 libpango1.0-common |
| 17:45.45 | a1fa | stew : i rebuilt initrd with default conf that comes with debian.. same issue |
| 17:45.48 | Jenkens | libpango1.0-0 that is |
| 17:46.04 | andrej42 | Reinstallation of libpango1.0-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 17:46.05 | stew | a1fa: and this is a debian kernel (not one you compiled)? |
| 17:46.06 | andrej42 | Reinstallation of libpango1.0-common is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 17:46.13 | Jenkens | what the |
| 17:46.14 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 17:46.19 | a1fa | stew: yes sir.. linux-image-2.6.17-1-k7 |
| 17:46.24 | a1fa | stew: here is the error: /bin/cat/sys/block/hda/dev no such file or directory |
| 17:46.38 | andrej42 | Jenkens, i can not explain that |
| 17:46.48 | andrej42 | i never got this message before :-/ |
| 17:46.56 | Jenkens | Source: pango1.0 (1.12.3-1) |
| 17:46.57 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 17:46.57 | stew | a1fa: literally just like that? "/bin/cat/sys/block..." ? |
| 17:47.01 | a1fa | stew: i used the workaround.. add "MODULES ide-generic" and etc to yaird conf and rebooted it |
| 17:47.03 | jetscreamer | hey still that initrd problem eh |
| 17:47.13 | a1fa | stew: /bin/cat /sys/block/hda/dev no such file or directory |
| 17:47.28 | a1fa | stew : waiting 16 seconds for /sys/block/hda/dev to show up |
| 17:47.28 | stew | a1fa: why add ide-generic? |
| 17:47.36 | jetscreamer | boot a -386 kernel and install yaird, remove mkinitrd and udev... then roll a new kernel |
| 17:47.37 | a1fa | stew : cos i thought my chipset was making this fuss |
| 17:47.50 | a1fa | stew : so i took out everything, and used stock config.. same issue |
| 17:47.54 | andrej42 | Jenkens, should i try to install pango by hand? |
| 17:47.59 | jetscreamer | a1fa: ^^ |
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| 17:48.04 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 17:48.10 | stew | a1fa: the problem you were having was the ide-generic was being loaded before your amd74xx |
| 17:48.15 | a1fa | stew : to rebuild the initrd i used dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.17-1-k7 |
| 17:48.23 | abrotman | peder_: debian isn't multiarch |
| 17:48.31 | Jenkens | andrej42: maybe try apt-get build-dep firefox (says it'll try and rebuild dependencies to satisfy 'source package'.. |
| 17:48.34 | jetscreamer | no you use mkiinitrd don't you |
| 17:48.39 | Jenkens | not sure if that only works in conjunction with apt-get soruce |
| 17:48.43 | jetscreamer | or is that just an option |
| 17:48.45 | Jenkens | i'm not the apt-get pro here. |
| 17:48.47 | a1fa | stew : yes.. so now i added my chipset module, ide-generic and ide-disk in initrd |
| 17:48.50 | stew | a1fa: i'd recommend trying initramfs-tools (it requires udev however) |
| 17:49.03 | jetscreamer | lose the initrd |
| 17:49.08 | jade | how can i determine the scsi harddrive model number from the command line? the server is far away. the data is not in /proc/scsi |
| 17:49.16 | a1fa | jetscreamer : i cant boot then :P |
| 17:49.18 | andrej42 | Jenkens, E: Unable to find a source package for firefox |
| 17:49.39 | jetscreamer | boot a -386 kernel and roll a new kernel |
| 17:49.46 | andrej42 | but i need to give the src in the source-list, or? |
| 17:50.02 | enouf | jade: hdparm -i /dev/sdX |
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| 17:50.06 | a1fa | jetscreamer : i only have 2.6.17-1-k7 on the system |
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| 17:50.09 | jetscreamer | a new one w/o initrd |
| 17:50.17 | Jenkens | hm |
| 17:50.19 | Jenkens | yeah maybe |
| 17:50.21 | Jenkens | i dunno man |
| 17:50.23 | Jenkens | that may not be the way to go |
| 17:50.34 | andrej42 | i'll try |
| 17:50.37 | jetscreamer | .12 or .13 is where this behavior started (if your problem is the same as mine) |
| 17:50.45 | a1fa | this issue with initrd pisses me off.. i backed out all the changes i made, and rebuilt it |
| 17:50.58 | a1fa | to stock initrd, and i still get that error on boot |
| 17:51.08 | stew | a1fa: there is no such thing as a sotck initrd really |
| 17:51.20 | jetscreamer | it's a lovely thing isn't it |
| 17:51.29 | Jenkens | andrej42: run apt-get check, it should find (if there are any) broken deps |
| 17:51.30 | andrej42 | Jenkens, nope src is given |
| 17:51.32 | jetscreamer | have you tried a grub-floppy yet? |
| 17:51.43 | a1fa | stew : "clean" config is what I ment |
| 17:51.47 | stew | a1fa: i'd either try initramfs-tools, or i'd take the initrd apart and make sure that amd74xx is really being loaded (and that it is loaded before ide-generic) |
| 17:51.53 | jetscreamer | i've had success with one |
| 17:52.02 | andrej42 | Jenkens, i searched for revdep-rebuild for debian... thx ;) |
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| 17:52.17 | Jenkens | andrej42: ok |
| 17:52.29 | a1fa | stew : that doesnt explain why, it fails on a blank config |
| 17:52.39 | a1fa | stew : the original config it used to generate initrd |
| 17:52.43 | andrej42 | apt-get check |
| 17:52.43 | a1fa | stew : that worked |
| 17:52.44 | jetscreamer | try chmod -x /etc/init.d/udev if you get desperate |
| 17:52.45 | andrej42 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 17:52.45 | andrej42 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 17:52.48 | andrej42 | thats all |
| 17:52.51 | andrej42 | ??? |
| 17:52.51 | jetscreamer | i can't rem if that worked though |
| 17:52.55 | stew | a1fa: my explanation would be that yaird is buggy and has poor upstream support compared to initramfs-tools |
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| 17:53.12 | a1fa | stew : i am afraid to get udev.. cos i have two caputre cards |
| 17:53.22 | a1fa | stew : and other drivers that i dont want to map manually |
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| 17:53.39 | nimurphy | hi, i'm having real troube here with xorg. gdm doesnt load cause it cant load the mouse. reconfiguring does nothing |
| 17:54.04 | jetscreamer | is it a usb mouse or a ps2 mouse |
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| 17:54.07 | nimurphy | ps2 |
| 17:54.17 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 17:54.25 | jetscreamer | are you using /dev/psaux and the imps2 protocol? |
| 17:54.39 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:54.40 | stew | nimurphy: modprobe psmouse ; modprobe mousedev ; add both psmouse and mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 17:54.46 | jetscreamer | try modprobe mousedev |
| 17:54.48 | enouf | jade: did you cat the info ? 'sudo cat /proc/scsi/sdX/model' ?? |
| 17:54.49 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 17:55.21 | a1fa | stew : so udev will use hotplug? |
| 17:55.22 | andrej42 | Jenkens, sehr seltsam |
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| 17:55.36 | andrej42 | Jenkens, very weird, i mean ^^ |
| 17:55.36 | stew | a1fa: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:55.40 | a1fa | stew : sid |
| 17:55.48 | stew | a1fa: then no, udev would replace hotplug |
| 17:56.05 | a1fa | stew : i hate hotplug |
| 17:56.18 | jetscreamer | i hate udev and initrd |
| 17:56.31 | jetscreamer | and discover and hotplug... |
| 17:56.37 | cydork | jetscreamer, me too :P |
| 17:56.38 | stew | a1fa: well i guess you are in luck then, sooner or later you are going to have udev forced on you which replaces hotplug |
| 17:56.49 | Jenkens | i dunno what else to try. a debian pro (there are many here) should find this easy though |
| 17:56.55 | a1fa | stew : good |
| 17:56.57 | nimurphy | psmouse gets loaded but modprobe can't locate it. added mousedev. |
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| 17:57.18 | keram | how do i find out the default runlevel? |
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| 17:57.26 | jetscreamer | pn udev <none> (no description available) |
| 17:57.29 | jetscreamer | it's 2 |
| 17:57.41 | twotwenty | what's kvm |
| 17:57.41 | ttick | unr |
| 17:57.43 | jetscreamer | unless you cahnged it |
| 17:57.46 | jetscreamer | changed |
| 17:57.49 | keram | no i didnt |
| 17:57.52 | jetscreamer | it's 2 |
| 17:57.52 | andrej42 | Who is a debian pro then? ^^ |
| 17:57.56 | keram | okay thanks :] |
| 17:57.57 | jade | enouf, /proc/scsi/hdparm reports HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed http://pastebin.ca/122458 |
| 17:58.08 | a1fa | stew : what needs to happen for udev? |
| 17:58.20 | a1fa | stew : i am reading the docs right now.. i am going to roll it out tonight |
| 17:58.42 | jetscreamer | suse has udev rules that work |
| 17:58.43 | jade | enouf, http://epsilon/apache2-default/hwinfo.txt |
| 17:58.47 | stew | a1fa: apt-get install initramfs-tools && dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.17-1-k7 |
| 17:58.53 | enouf | jade: 'sudo hdparm -i /dev/sdX' where X is the Drive (a,b,c,d, etc) |
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| 17:59.07 | stew | jetscreamer: are you somehow implying that debian doesn't have udev rules that work? |
| 17:59.19 | a1fa | stew : will the rules work on debian. lol |
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| 17:59.30 | stew | a1fa: they work well for me |
| 17:59.35 | twotwenty | what's kvm? |
| 17:59.39 | jade | enouf, tried that, see pastebin http://pastebin.ca/122458, http://216.93.170.36/apache2-default/hwinfo.txt, http://216.93.170.36/apache2-default/hwls.html |
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| 17:59.51 | jetscreamer | stew: i'm only relating my experience. and not very recent experience either... that was at about 2.6.15 in sid |
| 18:00.02 | jade | enouf, hdparm -i /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:00.14 | jetscreamer | twotwenty: a thing to switch keyboard/video/mice |
| 18:00.16 | enouf | jade: oh -- the /proc command was funky ..hold on a moment |
| 18:00.22 | jetscreamer | from one box to another |
| 18:00.27 | jetscreamer | a switch |
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| 18:01.11 | a1fa | stew : initramfs-tools will replace yaird? |
| 18:01.15 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:01.17 | stew | a1fa: no |
| 18:01.18 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 18:01.19 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:01.24 | jetscreamer | oh mkinitrd nm |
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| 18:01.38 | jade | enouf, http://216.93.170.36/apache2-default/lshw.html |
| 18:01.39 | a1fa | so, if i do dpkg-reconfigure, it is still going to use yaird |
| 18:01.41 | stew | a1fa: they will both co-exist on your system. by default debconf will use initramfs-tools however |
| 18:01.43 | LeoD | verdammt |
| 18:01.49 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:01.50 | a1fa | stew : we hope :P |
| 18:01.51 | stew | a1fa: no, it will use initramfs-tools |
| 18:01.52 | nimurphy | ok, this is driving me up the wall. still can't get mouse working... |
| 18:02.05 | LeoD | if i boot linux26, it stops after i chose my country o_O |
| 18:02.07 | enouf | jade: oh -- the scsis are in RAID it seems |
| 18:02.12 | nimurphy | /etc/modules contains psmouse and mousedev |
| 18:02.16 | jetscreamer | nimurphy: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:02.18 | jade | enouf, yes |
| 18:02.36 | cydork | LeoD, any errors? |
| 18:02.42 | LeoD | cydork: no, nothing |
| 18:02.45 | LeoD | just a blue screen |
| 18:02.46 | jetscreamer | !tell nimurphy -about paste |
| 18:02.49 | enouf | jade: you may need to parse the controller itself |
| 18:03.14 | cydork | LeoD, which version are you tying to install?? |
| 18:03.22 | a1fa | god knows how many things will break when i get udev |
| 18:03.42 | jade | enouf, how is that done? |
| 18:03.56 | LeoD | cydork: 31r2 |
| 18:03.57 | stew | a1fa: have you ever had udev installed? |
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| 18:04.01 | stew | a1fa: do you have an /etc/udev? |
| 18:04.05 | LeoD | i386 |
| 18:04.14 | LeoD | netinstall :) |
| 18:04.14 | a1fa | stew : had it working on an older system |
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| 18:04.29 | a1fa | stew : device maping was screwed up |
| 18:04.29 | enouf | jade: you got me .. but others here should know -- 'sep' if s/he's available |
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| 18:04.46 | stew | a1fa: if you've ever had it on this system i'd recommend purging it before you install it again so that you are guaranteed to get a fresh config |
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| 18:05.25 | a1fa | apt-get remove udev |
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| 18:05.40 | stew | a1fa: i'd recommend that you purge it, not just remove it |
| 18:05.46 | jetscreamer | jinx |
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| 18:06.26 | Luke771 | I'm having a problem with Gnomebaker, can someone help? |
| 18:07.02 | a1fa | stew : i am guessing i will have to manually map my capture cards? |
| 18:07.18 | enouf | jade: apologies -- but maybe you need to look for/at 'mdadm' check /etc/fstab for that -- but you seem to have a Adaptec Hardware RAID, not a LVM |
| 18:07.25 | a1fa | stew : how about ethernet? |
| 18:07.43 | enouf | jade: try the irc.oftc.net server - #debian channel |
| 18:07.51 | stew | a1fa: you shouldn't have to do either |
| 18:07.56 | jade | enouf, thanks |
| 18:08.04 | a1fa | stew : how so? |
| 18:08.05 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:08.13 | LeoD | mhhh :( |
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| 18:08.48 | jetscreamer | Luke771: i find k3b more feature filled and functional |
| 18:08.53 | stew | a1fa: it will already come configured for /dev/video* and it will automatically map your ethernet cards to static interface names by their mac addresses |
| 18:09.00 | LeoD | does nobody have an idea? :\ |
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| 18:09.46 | a1fa | stew : apt-get remove --purge udev |
| 18:09.54 | jetscreamer | LeoD: this sounds like a job for #debian-boot |
| 18:10.08 | wols_ | LeoD: try an installer with a different kernel. LOTS of problems with newer amd and intel cpus with 2.6.8 imho |
| 18:10.54 | LeoD | wols_: uhm which kernel? |
| 18:11.02 | nimurphy | jetscreamer: whole log shoudl be there, didn't know how to crop it |
| 18:11.17 | cydork | LeoD, all i can say is try with 2.6.16 |
| 18:11.17 | nimurphy | using lynx made it a little difficult |
| 18:11.41 | nimurphy | 3374 |
| 18:11.45 | jetscreamer | nimurphy: yeah ok but where |
| 18:11.47 | jetscreamer | link? |
| 18:11.53 | LeoD | okay .. :\ |
| 18:12.12 | cydork | LeoD, try one from here xserver-xorg-video-savage |
| 18:12.17 | enouf | LeoD: how old a machine? |
| 18:12.22 | nimurphy | channels.debian.net/paste/3374 |
| 18:12.52 | cydork | LeoD, sorry from here http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm :P |
| 18:13.02 | LeoD | hehe |
| 18:13.36 | jade | enouf, no such server as irc.oftc.net |
| 18:13.59 | nimurphy | there was an hour ago |
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| 18:14.25 | enouf | jade:L I'm on it now :-) try irc.debian.org same server |
| 18:14.28 | a1fa | stew : is that how I should purge it |
| 18:14.40 | a1fa | aight |
| 18:14.45 | jade | enouf, heh, perhaps i used the wrong ports |
| 18:14.56 | enouf | jade: 6667 |
| 18:15.02 | jetscreamer | nimurphy: you said ps2 mouse right? when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choose /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice ... both should work, but /input/mice doesn't seem to be... and you modprobed mousedev right? |
| 18:15.34 | abrotman | you should try to modprobe mousedev only if you're going to use /dev/input/mice |
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| 18:16.07 | jetscreamer | really? never heard that one before. |
| 18:16.13 | nimurphy | no mention of those choices, only explorer and imp |
| 18:16.23 | jetscreamer | you can belive abrotman though if he says something |
| 18:16.24 | a1fa | stew : how about video-output with nvidia? |
| 18:16.31 | jetscreamer | after all, he's my virtual son |
| 18:16.39 | nimurphy | but mousedev was a success, psmouse wasnt found |
| 18:17.08 | jetscreamer | nimurphy: the imps2 and explorer oprtions are different than the /dev/whatever ones |
| 18:17.39 | stew | a1fa: that would purge it, yes |
| 18:17.39 | jetscreamer | the imps2 and friends are what type of mouse.. the /dev is how is the mouse connected |
| 18:17.42 | stew | a1fa: what about nvidia? |
| 18:18.01 | a1fa | stew : video card? |
| 18:18.02 | enouf | nimurphy: Make your xorg.conf look like this : use the ImPS2 protocol, not explorer http://pastebin.ca/122475 |
| 18:18.08 | jetscreamer | since mousedev loaded, the /dev/input/mice should work now |
| 18:18.09 | nimurphy | well reconfigure doesn't mention anything else about the mouse |
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| 18:18.22 | jetscreamer | there are two different places for that |
| 18:18.26 | jetscreamer | or were |
| 18:18.29 | enouf | nimurphy: You can choose it during the drxx |
| 18:18.44 | ratonn | How do I extract .7z files in debian? |
| 18:18.45 | nimurphy | well i put both in /etc/modules, rebooted and reconfigured again. still the same. |
| 18:19.04 | jetscreamer | ratonn: apt-cache search 7zip or 7-zip |
| 18:19.05 | enouf | nimurphy : dpkg-reconfigure -plow xrever-xorg |
| 18:19.08 | ratonn | I use Sarge and the p7zip package would upgrade a ton of important packages to unstable, which I don't desire. |
| 18:19.14 | enouf | xserver-xorg* |
| 18:19.16 | nimurphy | 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is what im using. |
| 18:19.19 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 18:19.27 | enouf | -plow |
| 18:19.29 | jetscreamer | unzip should/might work |
| 18:19.32 | stew | a1fa: i don't understand the question |
| 18:19.40 | nimurphy | dist is etch |
| 18:19.42 | jetscreamer | add the -plow |
| 18:19.47 | stew | -plow does nothing |
| 18:19.55 | enouf | nimurphy: -plow |
| 18:20.01 | stew | enouf: it doesn't make a difference |
| 18:20.02 | jetscreamer | hand edit the bastard |
| 18:20.07 | enouf | stew ..ok |
| 18:20.22 | stew | enouf: low is the default, so adding -plow doesn't do anything |
| 18:20.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /dev/input/mice should almost always work |
| 18:20.41 | enouf | jetscreamer : I even pastebinned an ex for him/her |
| 18:20.59 | nimurphy | debconf is set to medium priorty. could i be skipping the /dev questoin? |
| 18:21.04 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/debian_files/xorg.conf mine works |
| 18:21.11 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 18:21.16 | jetscreamer | i use high |
| 18:21.22 | stew | nimurphy: no, if you do dpkg-reconfigure it does it at low regardless of the debconf setting |
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| 18:21.28 | enouf | stew ...I had previously thought otherwise as far as default .. |
| 18:21.28 | jetscreamer | or whatever verbose is.. or did |
| 18:21.41 | stew | enouf: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:21.46 | jetscreamer | ah advanced vs medium |
| 18:21.58 | enouf | stew ...I saw that coming :-) |
| 18:22.28 | cydork | enouf, :-) |
| 18:22.34 | ratonn | jetscreamer: unzip does not unzip 7zip files |
| 18:22.56 | Tallu | os[Linux 2.6.16-2-k7 - Debian 3.1] up[ 1 hours, 28 minutes] cpu[AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+, 1472.117 MHz (2948.29 bogomips)] mem[ 504.7/2027.64 MB (24.9%)] video[ at 1280x1024 (24 bits)] |
| 18:23.01 | Tallu | Kernel upgraded. :) |
| 18:23.34 | enouf | nimurphy: how ya doing? 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and edit that puppy :-) |
| 18:23.43 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 18:24.07 | ratonn | How can I use the p7zip package in unstable? |
| 18:24.10 | ratonn | *stable |
| 18:24.23 | enouf | nimurphy: use CTRL-O to write-out, hit Enter, then Ctrl-X to exit |
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| 18:26.22 | comfrey | so devfsd is not used in sid right? |
| 18:26.36 | comfrey | it is sysfs that has replaced it? |
| 18:27.01 | dvs | comfrey: devfs was replaced by udev |
| 18:27.18 | comfrey | oh, ok... the dust is shaking off |
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| 18:27.38 | comfrey | i am looking to set perms on a dev at load time |
| 18:27.47 | comfrey | any quick pointer? |
| 18:27.52 | nimurphy | ah. mouse driver in ...xorg.conf is set to 'mouse'. set to mousedev? |
| 18:28.03 | dvs | comfrey: yeah, just join the correct groups |
| 18:28.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:28.20 | jetscreamer | err yes |
| 18:28.33 | dvs | maybe? |
| 18:28.36 | jetscreamer | that references the input device section to use |
| 18:28.45 | nimurphy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.48 | jetscreamer | you want to edit on the input device section |
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| 18:28.52 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 18:29.13 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.20 | jetscreamer | " not ' eh |
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| 18:29.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.06 | wols_ | LeoD: 2.6.16 for example. when you came in here I made dpkg show its url |
| 18:30.46 | jetscreamer | and in the server layout section it's set to use InputDevice"Configured Mouse" |
| 18:30.49 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:31.04 | enouf | nimurphy: repeat http://pastebin.ca/122475 |
| 18:31.09 | blackelf | where can I find the debian's kernel module for fuck-u-fuck-me device? or do I need to self compiler a kernel |
| 18:31.31 | petkouzunski | could anyone please tell me which package contains xorgconfig ? |
| 18:31.31 | jetscreamer | it's under the fuggoff section.. just hit y |
| 18:31.42 | wols_ | petkouzunski: none |
| 18:31.49 | nimurphy | protocol IMPS/2, option device /dev/input/mice |
| 18:31.49 | stew | !drxxorg petkouzunski |
| 18:31.50 | dpkg | petkouzunski: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 18:31.58 | nimurphy | driver mousedev (the only one i've changed so far) |
| 18:32.07 | jetscreamer | nonono |
| 18:32.22 | petkouzunski | thanks a lot |
| 18:32.28 | enouf | jetscreamer: fuggoff ...wtf rofl |
| 18:32.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.35 | stew | nimurphy: the driver should be mouse not mousedev. mousedev is a kernel module you need to load, not something that goes into your xorg.conf |
| 18:33.17 | jetscreamer | nimurphy: http://linux.hfds.com/debian_files/xorg.conf <-- an example, towards the bottom |
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| 18:33.42 | PDani | hi |
| 18:34.16 | enouf | nimurphy: no browser?? wanna/need to use #flood for my xorg file ex? |
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| 18:34.44 | nimurphy | enouf: using lynx, got your paste. only thing different was IMPS/2 |
| 18:35.07 | nimurphy | cheers anyway on both counts |
| 18:35.19 | enouf | nimurphy: not according to your mousedev statements |
| 18:35.36 | enouf | nimurphy: your welcome no prob ;-) |
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| 18:37.20 | enouf | nimurphy: does this show ? lshal | grep psmouse |
| 18:37.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:37.38 | ratonn | ?: How come I was able to compile p7zip from src in debian stable, and the package at the deb repository has unstable dependancies? |
| 18:37.49 | enouf | nimurphy: I know you said etch, but not sure if using udev or hal |
| 18:37.50 | Luke771 | I'm having a problem hre: Debian (sarge) won't auto mount any *blank* CD/DVD any more. non-blank cd/dvd auto mount fine |
| 18:37.59 | Luke771 | hre=here |
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| 18:38.19 | stew | Luke771: you can't mount a blank cd |
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| 18:38.34 | nimurphy | couldn't tell you enouf. btw, any idea how to scroll up in irssi. not using screen |
| 18:39.04 | stew | nimurphy: pgup |
| 18:39.07 | Luke771 | OK then, what it's called when the OS "sees" the CD and shows it on the desktop as an Icon labelled "blank CD"? |
| 18:39.09 | Luke771 | that |
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| 18:39.26 | Luke771 | isn't happening anymore, and I can't burn CD/DVDs any more |
| 18:39.29 | stew | Luke771: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 18:39.38 | Luke771 | Gnome |
| 18:39.44 | Luke771 | but... |
| 18:39.49 | Luke771 | not 100% gnome |
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| 18:40.07 | stew | Luke771: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:40.11 | Luke771 | I run kwin and kicker |
| 18:40.23 | Luke771 | because I think they look good. Can that be the problem? |
| 18:40.28 | Luke771 | wait... |
| 18:40.30 | nimurphy | enouf: that lshal produces nothing |
| 18:41.10 | Luke771 | 2.6.8-3-686stew |
| 18:41.10 | enouf | Luke771: as a matter of fact an error (at bootup) while a blank is in the drive |
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| 18:41.30 | enouf | nimurphy: do this 'dpkg -l hal' to see if it;'s installed |
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| 18:41.45 | stew | Luke771: what version of the udev package do you have installed? |
| 18:42.13 | Luke771 | I dont' know, actually. What's the line to check ? |
| 18:42.18 | enouf | Luke771: ...."I get" an error.... |
| 18:42.35 | Luke771 | enouf ? |
| 18:42.59 | stew | Luke771: "dpkg -l udev" will tell you the version number |
| 18:43.01 | enouf | Luke771: just clarifying the few words I left out of last statement |
| 18:43.12 | Luke771 | ah ok |
| 18:43.47 | nimurphy | enougf: hal installed, ver 0.5.7-2 |
| 18:44.01 | Luke771 | stew 0.056-3 |
| 18:44.05 | enouf | Luke771: it's at the Starting Hardware Abstarction Layer (hal) -- I can seee just doing ctrl-alt-f1 dropping to vt1 |
| 18:44.14 | stew | Luke771: and is gnome-volume-maanger installed? |
| 18:44.36 | enouf | nimurphy: yep, that's mine too .. |
| 18:44.46 | Luke771 | probably... how do I check that? (and yes, I *am* a newbie) |
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| 18:45.02 | enouf | nimurphy: so did you 'modprobe psmouse' as rot as stew stated earlier ? |
| 18:45.10 | enouf | nimurphy: root* |
| 18:45.23 | enouf | nimurphy: root* |
| 18:45.44 | enouf | nimurphy: sorry -- bumbling hands ... |
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| 18:46.09 | nimurphy | yep. there is a note attached to the result though |
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| 18:46.27 | Luke771 | gnome-volume-m 1.2.0-2 GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media |
| 18:46.30 | nimurphy | /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/.... |
| 18:46.36 | Luke771 | stew yes it's installed |
| 18:46.58 | enouf | nimurphy: do this 'lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 18:46.58 | enouf | psmouse 34248 0 |
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| 18:47.19 | nimurphy | again, nothing. |
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| 18:47.35 | stew | Luke771: is nautilus working at all? do you have other icons on your desktop? |
| 18:47.52 | enouf | nimurphy: try dpkg -l udev |
| 18:48.11 | enouf | nimurphy: and also try dpkg -l hotplug |
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| 18:48.41 | nimurphy | ii udev 0.093-1 |
| 18:48.53 | enouf | nimurphy: and hotplug ? |
| 18:48.54 | excitatory | hrm.. something is wrong with dpkg/aptitude.. after every 'install' and/or 'upgrade', the following warning is output: ** (process:4542): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 18:48.57 | nimurphy | mousedev is unused btw |
| 18:48.59 | biz | i'm searching for a PCI card _just_ for TV-Out (S-Video or Composite). no tv-capture or such stuff. are there any products available? please give me an example product name or a good point for google, i was unable to find sth. in a local store on google for germany |
| 18:49.04 | stew | enouf: he can't possibly have hotplug |
| 18:49.19 | Luke771 | I have the three default icons, and when I put in the tray some cd/dvd with some data on it, it auto mounts just fine and the icon appea4rs on the desktop. the problem is about blank only |
| 18:49.24 | enouf | stew: he shouldn't, but I had both at one time |
| 18:49.27 | excitatory | biz: not sure, but the fine peoples in #hardware are always helpful. |
| 18:49.32 | nimurphy | i don't |
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| 18:49.44 | stew | enouf: not since udev 0.05x you didn't |
| 18:49.45 | biz | excitatory: thanks |
| 18:49.52 | enouf | stew: he shouldn't have /etc/modules then either ...right? |
| 18:50.01 | stew | enouf: he should |
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| 18:50.13 | Luke771 | stew and yes, nautilus works fine |
| 18:50.25 | PPower | Hello! |
| 18:50.25 | excitatory | no prob. |
| 18:50.50 | a1fa | stew : i will try it tonight |
| 18:50.53 | a1fa | stew : thanks |
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| 18:51.06 | enouf | stew: why don't I ?? I have udev, hal and no hotplug -- and hos lshal | grep psmouse isn;t showing anything and neither is lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 18:51.19 | xaka | how find all files old 10 days? |
| 18:51.33 | a1fa | find -mtime 10+ |
| 18:51.49 | PPower | I am having trouble getting some php software to communicate with MySQL. Everything seems ok, but it stops when the php software says Testing connection to database |
| 18:51.50 | a1fa | err.. "exectly 10 days |
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| 18:52.19 | dvs | enouf: psmouse must be compiled into the kernel: there isn't a module option |
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| 18:52.26 | xaka | a1fa, sorry? :/ :) |
| 18:52.51 | stew | enouf: if you don't have /etc/modules, you must have removed it |
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| 18:53.08 | Luke771 | stew: icons are on the desktop and nautilus works |
| 18:53.08 | enouf | stew: I have /etc/modprobe.d instead of /etc/modules as the bot answer to !blacklist states |
| 18:53.21 | stew | !blacklist |
| 18:53.21 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 18:53.45 | stew | enouf: that is just saying that if you want to blacklist it, don't list it in /etc/modules since that would cause it to be loaded |
| 18:53.47 | cydork | enouf, i guess you didn't read it properly :) |
| 18:53.47 | PPower | !mysql |
| 18:53.47 | dpkg | i heard mysql is A fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It supports a wide range of advanced functionality such as views, transaction support, recovery functionality etc. It is the worlds most popular open source database. The database is packed as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Futher information can be found at http://mysql.com and #mysql. |
| 18:53.58 | stew | enouf: its not saying you should remove that file |
| 18:54.12 | Luke771 | stew - when I put a blank cd in the tray cd creator launches automatically as usual but no "baln cd" icon appears on desktop and I can't burn anything |
| 18:54.23 | Nigromante | enouf whats your problem? |
| 18:54.33 | enouf | stew: I know I didn't manually remove it... |
| 18:54.40 | stew | enouf: someone else did then |
| 18:54.42 | Luke771 | bakln = blank (how could I misspell that much?" |
| 18:54.50 | a1fa | xaka : find -mtime 10 |
| 18:54.58 | a1fa | xaka : that will find files exactly 10 days old |
| 18:54.58 | stew | Luke771: why can't you burn anything? |
| 18:54.58 | enouf | stew: not the pkg management ?? |
| 18:55.02 | stew | enouf: no |
| 18:55.07 | a1fa | xaka : 10+ days days and older |
| 18:55.34 | nimurphy | where does mousedev fit in to all this? lsmod | grep mouse returns it and input |
| 18:55.47 | nimurphy | but mousedev isnt used |
| 18:55.48 | dvs | nimurphy: for your kernel |
| 18:56.16 | Luke771 | stew - gnomebaker says that it can't find any diswc to write on |
| 18:56.16 | Luke771 | same thing with cd creator |
| 18:56.23 | stew | nimurphy: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin? http://pastebin.ca/upload.php will let you upload the entire thing easily |
| 18:56.27 | xaka | a1fa, you want say "+10". Thx u |
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| 18:57.05 | stew | Luke771: what about just using cdrecord on the command line? |
| 18:57.12 | enouf | Nigromante: I'm just trying to understand why I have no /etc/modules .. I thought it was because the install of udev, hak and removal of hotplug that had done away with it -- it also seems(seemed to me) that the !blacklist bot answer says "in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" - well why not /etc/modules then?? |
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| 18:57.43 | Nigromante | enouf, let me see my config |
| 18:57.50 | enouf | Nigromante: I certainly did NOT remove it and nobody else did either |
| 18:57.50 | stew | enouf: /etc/modules is a list of modules to be loaded at boot time. if you are trying to blacklist them, you don't want them to be loaded at boot time, so they should not be listed in /etc/moduels |
| 18:58.01 | Luke771 | stew- does that work on dvd too? where can I find a list of commands? |
| 18:58.05 | stew | enouf: if its not there, someone removed it |
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| 18:58.17 | nimurphy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3374 |
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| 18:59.21 | stew | nimurphy: your kerenl is too old. your udev requires that you be running at least a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 18:59.21 | enouf | stew: I meant why not blacklist them in /etc/modles/blacklist as always had been done prior -- that's all - just trying to understand ... |
| 18:59.23 | Luke771 | but anyway stew I don't think that will work: "blank cd" icon must appear on the desktop, otherwise there's a problem. Looks like the system can't "see" blank" cd/dvd's |
| 18:59.43 | stew | enouf: i dont' know what /etc/modles/blacklist is |
| 18:59.55 | nimurphy | thats odd cause i netinstalled it a few hours ago |
| 19:00.03 | nimurphy | and it's testing |
| 19:00.06 | stew | Luke771: sorry i don't know about gnome i guess |
| 19:00.17 | Luke771 | stew - I'm going to give it a try anyway, where's a comman list? |
| 19:00.19 | Luke771 | d |
| 19:00.22 | stew | nimurphy: you are runnign 2.6.12-1 which hasn't been available in testing for several months now |
| 19:00.28 | comfrey | i have a script: /etc/modprobe.d/ipw3945 and it is not being run at module load time... ? |
| 19:00.50 | enouf | nimurphy: uname -a |
| 19:00.51 | stew | Luke771: "comman list"? |
| 19:01.06 | Luke771 | stew, gnome shows on desktop everything mounted in /media |
| 19:01.07 | comfrey | the module is in /etc/modules |
| 19:01.16 | Luke771 | stew I mean command list sorry |
| 19:01.20 | enouf | stew: I see - old(er) kernel |
| 19:01.28 | Luke771 | stew I'm a really lousy typer |
| 19:01.30 | comfrey | it should check there for a script corresponding to the module name no? |
| 19:01.49 | stew | Luke771: a blank medium could not be mounted in /media |
| 19:01.52 | nimurphy | yeah. 2.4 alright. no idea how that happened, definitely selected testing but........... |
| 19:02.01 | stew | nimurphy: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 19:02.24 | stew | Luke771: i don't know what you mean by "command list" |
| 19:02.27 | andrej42 | can somebody name me the exakt version number of libpango1.0-0? |
| 19:02.36 | Nigromante | enouf, do u have sarge or etch? |
| 19:02.56 | Luke771 | stew, gnome shows on sdesktop everything that's mounted in /media/ and it used to show "blank cd" when I had a blank cd in the tray, now that isn't working any more |
| 19:03.12 | enouf | Nigromante: Sid |
| 19:03.20 | raf256 | is there some X (best: KDE) text editor with builded in ispell check? |
| 19:03.23 | enouf | Nigromante: 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 19:03.26 | Nigromante | but come from sarge? |
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| 19:03.33 | enouf | Nigromante: Yes... |
| 19:03.38 | Nigromante | umm |
| 19:03.42 | nimurphy | ok. how do i ensure use of initramfs-tools instead of yaird? |
| 19:03.44 | enouf | Nigromante: up to Etch first naturally |
| 19:03.53 | Nigromante | i have that file, but i think it is legacy |
| 19:03.56 | Luke771 | stew I heard about that, but the fact is that when it all worked fine, I could see an icon marked "blank cd" on my desktop, and I could burn. Now the icon is gone and I can't burn any more |
| 19:04.00 | Nigromante | from sarge |
| 19:04.06 | stew | raf256: kate |
| 19:04.14 | stew | raf256: (if you specifically want kde based) |
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| 19:04.35 | raf256 | stew: "The spelling program could not be started. Please make sure you have set the correct spelling program and that it is properlyconfigured and in your PATH." ... |
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| 19:04.36 | enouf | Nigromante: see my question about where you used to blacklist modules?? in /etc/modules/blacklist ...right? |
| 19:04.37 | stew | Luke771: does cdrecord work? |
| 19:04.42 | nimurphy | that is strange though. how the hell did i end up with a 2.4 kernel? definitely downloaded net iso from beta two etch, definitely selected testing netinstall |
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| 19:04.45 | Fuwex | Hey guys |
| 19:04.50 | andrej42 | can somebody name me the exakt version number of libpango1.0-0 for sarge? |
| 19:04.59 | Luke771 | stew maybe it wasn't mounted in /media after all, but there is some problem anyway because gnomebaker and cdcreator are not working, and I can't see the blank cd icon any more |
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| 19:05.04 | stew | raf256: you need to isntall aspell or ispell |
| 19:05.13 | raf256 | stew: I have ispell, and it works fine in Knode |
| 19:05.22 | stew | raf256: maybe you need aspell then |
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| 19:05.30 | Luke771 | stew I don't think so, but I'm gonna try, wait... |
| 19:05.34 | stew | raf256: or maybe you need to configure kate to know about ispell |
| 19:05.42 | Fuwex | I've got a Dell PowerEdge SC420 on which I just installed Debian Sarge on, was wondering, is there a somewhat simple way to determine what graphics driver to use? (other than googling, that is ;P ) |
| 19:05.57 | raf256 | stew: I dont see any such thing in Kate options |
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| 19:06.28 | stew | Fuwex: what does "lspci | grep VGA" return? |
| 19:06.33 | Fuwex | sec |
| 19:06.51 | Luke771 | stew this is gonna take a while... |
| 19:07.24 | Fuwex | "0000:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. Graphics Controller (rev 04 |
| 19:07.49 | Fuwex | minus the first " :p |
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| 19:08.37 | stew | Fuwex: try i810 |
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| 19:09.14 | Fuwex | alright, cheers, I'll try that |
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| 19:10.42 | stew | raf256: settings->configure kate->editor->plugins->kdata tool plugin |
| 19:11.10 | Fuwex | Hmm, I get Fatal server error: no screens found when trying to start X, guess that's rather common |
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| 19:12.01 | Luke771 | hey wait! (stew) maybe it's the kernel. I had a k7 kernel and it worked, now I have the 686 and it isn't working any more (CPU is a k6, some say 686 is best, other say k7, and I never decide to try and compile my own kernel) |
| 19:12.07 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.18 | Luke771 | I' going to try with thw k7 |
| 19:12.22 | excitatory | hrm.. something is wrong with dpkg/aptitude.. after every 'install' and/or 'upgrade', the following warning is output: ** (process:4542): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 19:12.24 | Luke771 | "I'm" |
| 19:12.29 | stew | Luke771: if you have a k6 you shouldnt' be using a k7 kernel |
| 19:12.50 | stew | Fuwex: put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log into http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 19:13.04 | Fuwex | (EE) No devices detected. seems to be the only error, also a warning ("Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)", is that bad?) |
| 19:13.06 | jetscreamer | -6886 is for intel,under debian |
| 19:13.08 | Fuwex | alright stew |
| 19:13.10 | jetscreamer | err 686 |
| 19:13.19 | Luke771 | stew what should I use? |
| 19:13.27 | Luke771 | 383? |
| 19:13.33 | enouf | Nigromante, stew: I feel like a retard .. the FILE /etc/modules is _still_here_ -- I was thinking DIR all along... since, how could you have a /blacklist file beneath another File (likely another misunderstanding on my part)...I'm going back under the rock again for awhile -- apologies to have been a PITA, didn't mean to (I've made that silly mistake (file vs dir) when first starting on Debian a few months ago, but haven't again until just |
| 19:13.40 | jetscreamer | -386 iirc but i'm not positive |
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| 19:13.50 | jetscreamer | for k6 |
| 19:13.55 | stew | 386 should definately work |
| 19:14.01 | raf256 | stew: thanks |
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| 19:15.01 | Fuwex | Stew, I've got SSH connection to the server (also got screen connection but since I don't have a browser etc. I can't upload it from there), can I transfer the file over SSH somehow? |
| 19:15.01 | nimurphy | if i'm running a 2.4 version, is it simply not possible that i'm runnig testing |
| 19:15.13 | Luke771 | stew of course 383 should work, that's compatible with virtually everything... ok then I'll go for the 383 (and seriously start thinking about compiling my own) |
| 19:15.28 | jetscreamer | 386 |
| 19:15.32 | stew | Fuwex: you could transfer it with scp , or you could use a text browser like w3m or lynx or elinks or links2 to upload it |
| 19:15.39 | nimurphy | cause if i'm not i might as well apt-get upgrade rather than apt-get linux-image-2.6....... |
| 19:15.40 | Netcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.42 | Luke771 | 386 yes |
| 19:15.51 | Fuwex | stew, alright, I'll look into it |
| 19:16.34 | jetscreamer | different distros use different numbers for the kernels... |
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| 19:16.59 | jetscreamer | proc optimization wise i mean |
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| 19:18.02 | Luke771 | I cant't do apt-get upgrade because I have some unstable and some ubuntu stuff in the repos, apt-get upgrade would mess everything up. I'll do apt-get install |
| 19:18.17 | comfrey | is there a way to tell if a module is being loaded by udev or not? |
| 19:18.17 | Luke771 | I mean |
| 19:18.17 | Luke771 | I just din |
| 19:18.25 | Luke771 | I just did |
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| 19:18.27 | Ronin | Luke771: unstable and ubuntu? ouch what a mess |
| 19:18.33 | comfrey | and if it is it should load the modprobe.d script no? |
| 19:18.34 | Luke771 | rebooting, BRB |
| 19:18.45 | stew | oh boy |
| 19:19.07 | Luke771 | I needed some apps... (but I'm definately NOT doimg apt-get upgrade) |
| 19:19.09 | Ronin | heh |
| 19:19.19 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 19:19.19 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 19:19.22 | Ronin | Luke771: why on earth are you doing unstable and ubunte |
| 19:19.58 | stew | maybe becuase that way he is able to mount blank cd's into his /media directory |
| 19:20.15 | Ronin | :) |
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| 19:23.20 | Ronin | will be interesting to see if that machine actually boots back up |
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| 19:23.29 | Fuwex | stew, http://pastebin.ca/122553 |
| 19:25.00 | comfrey | should modprobe.d scripts be executable? |
| 19:25.01 | g333k | h, whats the driver for the ALPS touchpad? |
| 19:25.38 | Nigromante | comfrey, I guess not necessary |
| 19:25.55 | stew | Fuwex: did you specify a busid when you configured X ? |
| 19:25.56 | comfrey | ok, why would the script not run on module load then? |
| 19:26.04 | stew | Fuwex: (you shouldn't have) |
| 19:26.05 | comfrey | i am con fuse ed |
| 19:26.09 | Fuwex | stew, no :) |
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| 19:26.24 | Fuwex | stew, I didn't do anything really, just pick a driver (which I later changed to i810) |
| 19:26.27 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 19:26.45 | Nigromante | comfrey, are they supposed to be run? |
| 19:26.50 | comfrey | gawd darn ipw3945d |
| 19:26.56 | stew | Fuwex: i guess it doesn't think your card is i810 (which is suprising to me), so i guess use vesa |
| 19:27.01 | rindolf | Something happened with our IDE disk. fdisk /dev/hdb says "Unable to read /dev/hdb" |
| 19:27.04 | comfrey | Nigromante: yeah, that is what modprobe.d is all about no |
| 19:27.06 | Fuwex | stew, alright, I'll try that |
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| 19:27.26 | Fuwex | btw, it's just change driver to 'vesa' in the XFree86Config-4 file, right? |
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| 19:27.35 | Nigromante | comfrey, arent they configuration files for modprobe? |
| 19:27.36 | Nibbler | hi |
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| 19:27.40 | Fuwex | XF86Config-4* |
| 19:27.56 | comfrey | yeah, so when the module is loaded what to do... |
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| 19:27.58 | Nibbler | how can i get openoffice 2 on sarge? |
| 19:28.07 | Luke771 | I'm still on the 686 kernel, the 386 wouldn't load X because I need to set up the nVidia drivers again |
| 19:28.09 | streuner | Nibbler: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:28.14 | comfrey | Nigromante: module loads can be directed or overwitten |
| 19:28.23 | dalexandre | hi, people i have a problem in a debian etch testing install with the console, the same don't refresh |
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| 19:29.05 | Fuwex | stew, cool, it works :) thanks |
| 19:29.23 | dalexandre | dalexandre example i do ls -l and the directory list don't appear i need to do alt + F2 and goback alt + f1 to see anything |
| 19:29.25 | Nibbler | streuner, i added backports to my sources.list, i got firefox 1.5 from this, but its not working for openoffice... |
| 19:29.45 | stew | Luke771: i think you are going to find that if you are mixing ubuntu and debian neither debian people, nor ubuntu people are going to want to support you |
| 19:29.58 | Nibbler | streuner, searching for openoffice on backports.org is also not showingme names for the basepacket, just thesaurus, hyphenstuff etc :\ |
| 19:30.14 | Luke771 | I'm not mixing anything |
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| 19:30.42 | dalexandre | somebody can help me ? |
| 19:30.44 | Luke771 | the distro is a debian sarge, not an "hybrid" |
| 19:30.47 | stew | <Luke771> I cant't do apt-get upgrade because I have some unstable and some ubuntu stuff in the repos |
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| 19:32.22 | astronfestmon | anyone has ibuild installed i want to install it but i dont know how it works |
| 19:32.25 | dalexandre | hi, people i have a problem in a debian etch testing install with the console, the same don't refresh |
| 19:32.27 | streuner | Nibbler: so no results with 'apt-cache search openoffice'? |
| 19:32.52 | Luke771 | stew I won't do apt-get upgrade that's all. the distro is still a debian sarge |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | how is sarge unstable & ubuntu |
| 19:33.20 | streuner | dpkg, confuse abrotman |
| 19:33.20 | dpkg | No, how was our hamster tomorrow, abrotman? lederhosen of the republic of micronesia with extra ham |
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| 19:34.10 | Nibbler | streuner, after commenting "normal" sources out i have no basepacket for ooorg, only the addons, dictionarys etc |
| 19:34.25 | streuner | Nibbler: hm |
| 19:35.42 | Nibbler | http://nopaste.php-q.net/231187 is all i can get |
| 19:36.13 | Luke771 | abrotman, it's not. it's sarge. I just said I have some debian unstable and some ubunu repositories in my /etc/apt/sources.list and that would mess everithing up if I did apt-get upgrade. but the distribution is a debian sarge |
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| 19:36.40 | abrotman | Luke771: if you say so |
| 19:36.56 | streuner | Nibbler: well, just ask in #debian-oo (OFTC) |
| 19:37.15 | Nibbler | thanks |
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| 19:37.33 | streuner | Nibbler: wait |
| 19:37.34 | Nibbler | ah, oftc ;-) thought u send to to an empty chan ;-) |
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| 19:38.33 | Luke771 | abrotman it *is* so |
| 19:38.34 | Luke771 | anyways |
| 19:39.20 | Luke771 | I'm going to reinstall those nvidia drivers, then I'll check if the cd burning thing works |
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| 19:39.41 | abrotman | i bet it's not so! |
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| 19:41.22 | stew | abrotman: actually, i'll bet it is |
| 19:41.41 | stew | abrotman: (judging by the package versions he has given us so far) |
| 19:41.47 | g333k | how can I update the changes on my xorg,conf file? |
| 19:42.00 | abrotman | stew: i was joking .. i didn't really see the whole thing |
| 19:42.53 | stew | he was actually saying, i don't want to upgrade becuase i don't want to mix |
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| 19:44.09 | abrotman | so why would he muck with his sources |
| 19:44.20 | stew | yeah, i duno |
| 19:44.36 | stew | sn\nn\n\nn |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 19:46.46 | g333k | how can I update the changes on my xorg.conf file, just rebooting? |
| 19:47.25 | stew | g333k: are you asking how to restart x? |
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| 19:48.23 | g333k | stew, is that the only way to update the changes I made to xorg.conf ? |
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| 19:49.04 | stew | g333k: yes. usually you can restart x by quitting your window manager. |
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| 19:49.43 | g333k | stew, yeah I know that... I though that there was some xxxxxxx --restart |
| 19:50.01 | stew | g333k: /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
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| 19:52.49 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 19:53.58 | nimurphy | i may have found a solution: not use floppies with 2003 dist. |
| 19:54.56 | sparr | what do i need to do so that i dont have to do 'ifdown usb0; ifup usb0' every time i reboot my pda? |
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| 19:56.15 | wols_ | sparr: is your NIC mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:56.23 | PDani | hm |
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| 19:56.38 | PDani | i can't find the ntpdate package in the amd64 repo |
| 19:56.55 | cydork | !tell PDani about search |
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| 19:57.04 | p30n | hello |
| 19:57.07 | crazy_penguin | i wish a good night to all! sleep well! |
| 19:57.10 | dhuv | I am going to need to take samba from one server and move it to another (domain accounts, machines), in the process I was looking to also move to the newer db format |
| 19:57.48 | p30n | question: how do i lock a user in its homedir in an easy way? i just want him to be able to run all installed programs but not see i.e. /home/otherusers/ ? |
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| 19:58.15 | Luke771 | The kernel was not the problem, I'm getting the same error with the 386. the system doesn't "see" blank cd/dvd's. I laung gnomebaker, make a list of files to be burned, hit "burn" and a message pops up "please insert a writeable cd"... but it's already there. I tried taking it out and in again, but it does nothing. And btw, the "blank cd" desktop icon doesn't appear. |
| 19:58.19 | sparr | wols_: my NIC? yes. and my usb interface. |
| 19:58.45 | abrotman | Luke771: have you checked the bts? |
| 19:59.11 | stew | Luke771: what version of libc6 do you have? |
| 19:59.21 | PDani | pdani@coltrane:~$ apt-cache search ntpdate |
| 19:59.21 | PDani | ntp-doc - Network Time Protocol: documentation |
| 20:00.24 | twotwenty | what is libc? |
| 20:00.26 | twotwenty | !libc |
| 20:00.26 | dpkg | somebody said libc was the c runtime library,linux universe knows glibc (gnu libc) as libc,too.see glibc.. |
| 20:00.47 | Luke771 | stew libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 20:00.51 | PDani | hm |
| 20:01.01 | PDani | there's no ntpdate package for amd64... |
| 20:01.03 | PDani | interesting |
| 20:01.35 | abrotman | in etch ? |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | it's in unstable .. but not etch |
| 20:03.04 | Pons | guys, is there any debian package where can i get the Helvetica font |
| 20:03.05 | Pons | ? |
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| 20:04.25 | abrotman | Pons: apt-cache search fonts . i'm sure there's something there |
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| 20:06.39 | Pons | ok abrotman, thx |
| 20:07.34 | pingouin | which packages i'm suppose to install to be able to read Divx 5 files ? |
| 20:08.42 | cydork | !tell pingouin about divx |
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| 20:09.55 | xahlee | The State of Affairs of DVD Rippers http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/t1/DVD_rip.html |
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| 20:10.33 | xahlee | can anyone check if it is correct about the situation in linuxes? |
| 20:10.44 | pingouin | ok cydork thanks...but i alreade have, xine, w32codecs installed |
| 20:10.47 | stew | xahlee: do you have anything debian related? |
| 20:11.08 | xahlee | stew: does debian has a dvd player out of the box? |
| 20:11.27 | stew | xahlee: what do you mean by "out of the box"? |
| 20:11.36 | xahlee | stew: default install. |
| 20:11.37 | stew | xahlee: by default it has very little installed |
| 20:11.43 | stew | xahlee: no |
| 20:11.58 | xahlee | stew: well... ok... what program people use anyway? |
| 20:12.18 | cydork | xahlee, /msg dpkg dvd |
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| 20:12.53 | xahlee | cydork: the program is simply called dvd? |
| 20:12.53 | stew | xahlee: in debian? ogle or vlc i guess, but it wouldn't be installed by default |
| 20:12.57 | stew | xahlee: no |
| 20:13.08 | cydork | xahlee, no |
| 20:13.14 | xahlee | ah ok. i know vlc. |
| 20:13.22 | cydork | !dvd |
| 20:13.22 | dpkg | somebody said dvd was use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss |
| 20:13.29 | xahlee | ah that reminds me.... i forgot all about vlc. |
| 20:14.08 | xahlee | i suppose vlc uses decss, right? |
| 20:14.20 | stew | xahlee: it can but debian provides no decss |
| 20:14.55 | krassy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.55 | stew | xahlee: debian provides no facility for playing protected dvds |
| 20:14.58 | jdhutchin1 | !tell xahlee about marillat |
| 20:15.15 | jdhutchin1 | debian-multimedia contains decss |
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| 20:17.12 | Bitz_ | hi, does max partition size need to be less than 1024 block for grub or lilo to work properly? |
| 20:17.26 | Fox | you're not allowed to use decss in france anymore, it's a shame |
| 20:18.03 | xahlee | ah ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss |
| 20:18.11 | xahlee | there's the key to VLC. |
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| 20:18.23 | xahlee | and i guess most linuxes's DVD player status. |
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| 20:19.47 | jetscreamer | what group would have permission to do updatedb |
| 20:20.08 | jetscreamer | no not anymore Bitz_ |
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| 20:21.33 | _StormY | Hello, can anybody tell me how to kill all cron jobs - ps aux | grep cron list all processe but how to kill them |
| 20:22.33 | stew | _StormY: "man pkill" if you want to kill by name |
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| 20:25.14 | rockstar_ | I installed lokkit, and then realized it was totally low par, and so I uninstalled it. For some reason, in sid, I still can't get iptables to apply my iptables rules on boot. It ALWAYS reverts back to the lokkit rules... |
| 20:25.17 | _StormY | thx stew |
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| 20:25.27 | rockstar_ | Anyone know where I can track down what's loading those rules? |
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| 20:26.43 | stew | rockstar_: try purging lokkit. if removing it works but purging it doesn't you should consider filing a bug if one doesn't already exist (/msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug) |
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| 20:28.58 | inc|freaky | hi all. i tried setting up a software raid which didnt work. now, i set everything back to with what ive started (i mean, trying to not use the software raid anymore) i changed the partitions in fstab back to /dev/sda1 (swap) and /dev/sda2 (ext3) but when i start the computer it still loads /dev/md1 as root filesystem which is only mounted read only - does anyone know how this can be and how i could fix that? |
| 20:29.04 | rockstar_ | stew, when I removed it, I did apt-get --purge remove lokkit, still didn't purge these rules |
| 20:30.18 | holdenSK | inc|freaky: what about boot loader ? |
| 20:30.22 | stew | rockstar_: maybe "grep iptables /etc/init.d/*" and see if you see an initscript that is calling iptables |
| 20:30.36 | inc|freaky | lilo is instaled and it has no md devices |
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| 20:31.08 | holdenSK | and did you re-run lilo to update its config ? |
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| 20:32.48 | rockstar_ | Well, in my /etc/network/interaces I have a pre-up that loads the iptables rules that I got from iptables-save, but it doesn't take them for some reason... |
| 20:33.20 | wawa | Hi guys, anyone using ddclient and knows how to configure it to update different servers? |
| 20:33.32 | inc|freaky | holdenSK: yes |
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| 20:36.33 | g333k_work | Hi I set up my touchpad using the synaptics driver but the changes in my xorg.conf seem not to do any effect... why? there is my xorg.conf file: http://pastebin.ca/122626 |
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| 20:37.40 | vostorga | hey , somebody heard about de Ata over Ethernet AoE???? |
| 20:38.07 | a1fa | initrdfs-tools, stew? |
| 20:38.09 | holdenSK | inc|freaky: hmmm |
| 20:38.14 | inc|freaky | holdenSK: :\ |
| 20:38.17 | StFS | sorry to ask such a silly question in here but I can't for the life of me seem to find this on google. How can I see partition information in "human readable" format (that is in mega/giga bytes)? |
| 20:38.31 | vostorga | df -h |
| 20:38.31 | a1fa | StFS: df -H |
| 20:38.44 | StFS | alfa, vostorga: thanks :) |
| 20:39.02 | a1fa | no such thing as a silly question |
| 20:39.11 | vostorga | hehe |
| 20:39.12 | vostorga | hey , somebody heard about de Ata over Ethernet AoE???? |
| 20:39.34 | stew | a1fa: initramfs-tools |
| 20:39.37 | stew | vostorga: sure |
| 20:39.48 | a1fa | stew : need to write that shit down.. how do you rebuild the initrd then? |
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| 20:40.07 | stew | a1fa: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 20:40.18 | a1fa | stew : you told me that.. lol.. aight.. |
| 20:40.23 | vostorga | stew: How good is the AoE???? |
| 20:40.26 | a1fa | stew : so in an hour.. i am going to attempt to fix it |
| 20:40.36 | vostorga | is better than SAN or iSCSI??? |
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| 20:40.51 | peterrooney | any idea why on one system, `ls -al' sorts all dotfiles at the beginning, and on another system, interleaves them alphabetically as if the leading dots aren't there? the binaries on both systems are identical, and iv |
| 20:41.10 | holdenSK | peterrooney: locales ? |
| 20:41.39 | amphi | peterrooney: LC_COLLATE ? |
| 20:41.58 | stew | vostorga: better than san in that it can be done without needing to buy expensive hardware. (you could make a AoE server out of an old pentium 2 with a network card), and better than iSCSI in that it is a much simpler, faster, (and some would say) safer protocol. |
| 20:42.04 | peterrooney | any idea why on one system, `ls -al' sorts all dotfiles at the beginning, and on another system, interleaves them alphabetically as if the leading dots aren't there? the binaries on both systems are identical. |
| 20:42.11 | peterrooney | holdenSK: thanks, checking |
| 20:42.20 | peterrooney | amphi: thanks, checking.... |
| 20:42.44 | stew | vostorga: people will open quote the fact that the iSCSI protocol is hundreds of pages and the AoE protocol is 7 pages |
| 20:44.51 | vostorga | stew: thanks but I read that AoE needs propietary hardware |
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| 20:46.24 | stew | vostorga: no, you can use any linux box and "apt-get install vblade" to create a server. The data runs over any supported ethernet hardware. support is in the mainline kernel as of 2.6.14 or so |
| 20:46.27 | NetEcho | what's debian's default kernel? |
| 20:46.32 | NetEcho | from install |
| 20:46.40 | stew | vostorga: if you want an out of the box solution, then coraid is the only game in town however |
| 20:46.41 | cydork | NetEcho, which version? |
| 20:46.45 | NetEcho | newest |
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| 20:46.47 | stew | NetEcho: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 20:47.04 | cydork | NetEcho, ^^ this is for stable.. |
| 20:47.08 | Nach | Anyone here have any success installing NForce drivers? Since they don't want to install for me |
| 20:47.15 | NetEcho | 2.6.8 is considered stable? |
| 20:47.18 | stew | Nach: drivers for what? |
| 20:47.23 | dvs | NetEcho: yes |
| 20:47.25 | NetEcho | good |
| 20:47.28 | Nach | stew, NForce |
| 20:47.30 | Nach | sound and net |
| 20:47.31 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: pong |
| 20:47.39 | NetEcho | I'm getting annoyed with compiling a 2.6 kernel and running in to thousands of problems |
| 20:48.13 | dvs | NetEcho: it still takes me three times to get it right |
| 20:48.25 | stew | dondelelcaro: he was pinging you because for a while dpkg was lagged, then was dpkg_, but then corrected itself |
| 20:49.18 | vostorga | stew: and what is that "supported ethernet hardware" can be a simple computer with network card? |
| 20:49.36 | stew | vostorga: yes. i mean any ethernet card which is supported by the linux kernel |
| 20:49.39 | NetEcho | dvs unfortunatly since slackware doesn't have native 2.6 support once I compiled a 2.6 kernel it couldn't boot the root partition anymore |
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| 20:50.28 | stew | vostorga: its not at all particular about what ethernet hardware it runs on. the only limitation is that the client and server need to be on the same layer 2 network (no routers in between), since the protocol isn't routable |
| 20:50.30 | vostorga | stew: so the discs are conected in the motherboard with a scsi card? |
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| 20:50.44 | stew | vostorga: it doesn't matter how they are connected |
| 20:51.09 | stew | vostorga: the coraid hardware is, however a little nutty, the disks are connected to the motherboard via 100bt |
| 20:51.13 | kronoz | !nvidia |
| 20:51.14 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 20:52.28 | vostorga | stew: mmm in that way I think the solution is not really ata connected over ethernet, maybe ata connected to a linux box and the linux box connected over the network, like a storage server |
| 20:52.53 | robin_sz | and are there AoE clients for that other OS? |
| 20:53.20 | cydork | vostorga, you may want to read this http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8149 |
| 20:53.23 | stew | vostorga: it doesn't matter how the disk is connected to the motherboard, you can still use the AoE protocol |
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| 20:54.41 | taylor | Does firefox (or mozilla) have a java security manager, like konqueror's? |
| 20:55.27 | vostorga | stew: sure, I already read that document, but the question is who makes AoE different from a server who gives some GB to the user with NFS or SAMBA? |
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| 20:56.27 | cydork | vostorga, it does not use tcp/ip .. |
| 20:57.25 | stew | vostorga: AoE allows for more flexibility. when you run out of room you can add more and more AoE servers that all just look like local storage to the client. (at some point you may run out of physical room in your NFS server case). You can also have more than one client mount the same physical disk and run a clostered filesystem over AoE such as GFS or lustre |
| 20:58.08 | stew | s/clostered/clustered/ |
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| 20:59.17 | peder_ | What packages do I need to be able to use ipv6? |
| 20:59.24 | phatmonkey | etch: Starting openntpd: invoke-rc.d: initscript openntpd, action "start" failed. |
| 20:59.41 | phatmonkey | no other errors, what do i do? |
| 21:00.21 | azeem | phatmonkey: try to invoke it manually |
| 21:01.12 | vostorga | stew: mmm, AoE function in a lower level than tcp... |
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| 21:01.13 | phatmonkey | azeem, /etc/init.d/openntpd start appears to work, but the package isn't properly installed |
| 21:01.40 | phatmonkey | azeem, wait, guess not. the init script shows no errors, but it hasn't started anything |
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| 21:03.09 | vostorga | stew: you need a gb nic to put it to work, or maybe a couple o nics |
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| 21:04.07 | stew | vostorga: need? no. want? probably. |
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| 21:04.33 | phatmonkey | azeem, oh, it's ntpd not openntpd. yes, the init script is starting it. i wonder why the installation isn't working |
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| 21:04.44 | yff | hi |
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| 21:05.08 | me_here | does anyone know how to disable deamon messages sent to all tty's, when i call my dsl-provider i get some messages like KFM: firewall messages, ethernet connection messages bla: how can i disable those messages, please it's very annoying! |
| 21:05.13 | yff | Anyone know how i install a filter blocking "undisclosed-recipients: ;" ? |
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| 21:05.42 | marculix | me_here: mesg off? |
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| 21:05.54 | phatmonkey | azeem, nm, a purged reinstall fixed it |
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| 21:06.14 | marculix | me_here: mesg n |
| 21:06.18 | phatmonkey | sigh, i should probably try harder to fix problems before asking |
| 21:07.05 | azeem | phatmonkey: np |
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| 21:07.59 | marek23 | hello, is there a way to check if a partition is formatted with the ext3 or ext2 file system? fstab says ext2 but I think I heard the previous admin saying that he tried running ext3 so I'm wondering if he is just mounting and ext3 partition as an ext2 one. |
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| 21:08.56 | me_here | marculix: what's up with mesg n ? you mean bashrc ? system-wide ? |
| 21:09.02 | stew | marek23: you can just force it to ext3: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 21:09.37 | kronoz | is the nvidia-kernel-source package available for etch? |
| 21:09.37 | marculix | me_here: wherever you want to configure that on your system (e.g. /etc/profile, .kshrc, .bashrc) |
| 21:09.41 | marculix | me_here: man mesg |
| 21:09.46 | cydork | !etch nvidia |
| 21:09.47 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 21:09.50 | stew | marek23: "mesg n" is not what you are looking for. you likely need to stop syslog from logging those messages to '*', (man syslog.conf) |
| 21:10.12 | cydork | kronoz, check what dpkg said ^^ |
| 21:11.03 | marek23 | stew: ? |
| 21:11.08 | kronoz | cydork: ok |
| 21:11.21 | stew | marek23: can you ask a more specific question? |
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| 21:12.39 | marculix | marek23: stat -f <your partition> (stat: display file or filesystem status) |
| 21:12.46 | me_here | marculix: it's definitely not enabled! i configured kmyfirewall, after that i get i think those are kernel messages sent to the current tty which is active, normally i would assume that syslog would get them and write somewhere in the logfiles, but instead they're sent to the tty's |
| 21:13.04 | vostorga | stew: thanks for help me, AoE sounds like a good solution |
| 21:13.07 | marek23 | stew: I just didn't understand your second message. I'll look into tune2fs, but I'm not sure yet that I want to convert to ext3, but thanks |
| 21:13.13 | stew | marek23: oh i'm sorry, i got you confused with me_here |
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| 21:13.50 | marek23 | marculix: sweet, thanks |
| 21:13.50 | me_here | oh stew, thx i missed your message |
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| 21:15.53 | dccd | hi... |
| 21:16.08 | dccd | somebody has made a "Debien Custom CD"? |
| 21:16.39 | dvs | dccd: there's a couple |
| 21:16.57 | kronoz | cydork: ok, i've read that but i still don't understand how to install nvidia-glx |
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| 21:17.17 | kronoz | dccd: personally i think kanotix is a very debian sid based live-cd |
| 21:17.37 | kronoz | dccd: #kanotix and http://kanotix.com/ |
| 21:18.04 | dccd | yes, but i need make a custom distribution... |
| 21:18.09 | dccd | no a live cd... |
| 21:18.20 | dccd | custom distribution instalable |
| 21:18.47 | kronoz | oh sorry i misunderstood (kanotix can be installed though) |
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| 21:19.09 | dccd | of course, but i not need a live. |
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| 21:19.36 | pekuja | humn, a bit of dependency hell |
| 21:19.39 | Fox | a custom CD is not like a custom distrib dccd |
| 21:19.44 | pekuja | python2.4 does not seem to provide the python package |
| 21:19.50 | pekuja | but it depends on python-central |
| 21:19.52 | dccd | Fox yes |
| 21:19.54 | pekuja | which depends on python |
| 21:20.00 | pekuja | which depends on python2.3 |
| 21:20.13 | pekuja | so I can't install python2.4 without installing python2.3 |
| 21:20.17 | pekuja | this is in etch |
| 21:20.37 | dccd | i am read the "http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD", but my dubt is hot to make a "custom" distribution with debian. |
| 21:21.09 | Fox | dccd: you need a custom CD just to have a custom CD or you need something else ? |
| 21:21.18 | vostorga | the difference between a custom cd and a distribution is how many people is involved in that |
| 21:21.53 | Fox | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify |
| 21:21.56 | pekuja | hmn, actually never mind |
| 21:21.59 | stew | pekuja: correct. this will change soon. python2.4 will soon become the default python |
| 21:22.09 | stew | pekuja: actually i don't think python2.4 depends on python-central |
| 21:22.17 | pekuja | stew, ok... it actually seems like apt-get update fixed it... |
| 21:22.24 | dccd | Fox, if, I need something but... |
| 21:22.25 | pekuja | stew, sorry to bother you all... |
| 21:22.45 | stew | pekuja: no problem |
| 21:22.55 | Fox | dccd: what ? |
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| 21:23.21 | dccd | Fox, example, I have a custom Desktop, i need translate this |
| 21:23.28 | Fox | Ôo |
| 21:23.42 | dccd | to a CD |
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| 21:24.04 | YeTr2 | Anyone have any expirence with etch + ipw2200BG & ATi? |
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| 21:24.27 | stew | YeTr2: if you have a real question, just ask it |
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| 21:24.45 | SJr | Question I'm trying to get an Acceleport 8 modem working in linux, I asked this before I do have some devices showing up but they have an unknown UART and I can't seem to get any responses from them. |
| 21:24.48 | dondelelcaro | stew: ah |
| 21:24.59 | dccd | Fox, i need a custom system. this it must have a installer |
| 21:25.03 | pekuja | stew, actually... there does seem to be a problem still... can't install python-numeric without python2.3, but yeah, I guess that's going to be fixed in the future |
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| 21:25.54 | Fox | dccd: what do you call a 'custom desktop' ? |
| 21:26.01 | YeTr2 | stew: I have absolutely no idea what the hell I am doing trying to get both ipw2200BG & ATi and am wondering if there is a site out somewhere which someone has already done the work and documented it for others to easily follor |
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| 21:27.20 | stew | YeTr2: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:27.25 | dccd | Fox, I can take an installation from debian, but this is not sufficient. I need to personalize it much but. Example: the Gnome must have a theme |
| 21:27.41 | YeTr2 | currently the 2.4.27-3-686 kernel |
| 21:27.52 | stew | YeTr2: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 21:27.53 | dondelelcaro | dccd: so install debian, but also install a set of packages that make the personalization that you need. |
| 21:28.12 | dondelelcaro | dccd: you can rather easily modify d-i and/or tasksel to install exactly that set of packages. |
| 21:28.29 | Fox | dccd: and you think that it's the debian installer that handles the choise of gnome's theme ? |
| 21:28.35 | dondelelcaro | dccd: there is some documentation extant about various methods of CDD creation |
| 21:28.48 | stew | YeTr2: you should get the current etch kernel which supports ipw2200 out of the box. after that is running, download firmware for the 1.1.1 version of ipw2200 from ipw2200.sf.net and install it to /lib/firmware |
| 21:28.49 | dccd | dondelelcaro, ajam... links ? |
| 21:29.08 | dccd | dondelelcaro, Fox sorry, my english is very poor- |
| 21:29.09 | stew | YeTr2: "/msg dpkg laptops" will give you 2 urls full of peoples installation reports as well |
| 21:29.30 | Fox | no problem dccd |
| 21:29.30 | YeTr2 | stew: thanks, I'll start looking those up after this current update finishes |
| 21:30.08 | dondelelcaro | dccd: http://cdd.alioth.debian.org/; http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:32.34 | |dennis| | msg dpkg paster |
| 21:32.47 | jade | is there a dos2unix util? |
| 21:32.59 | blondie | jade: yes |
| 21:33.36 | Fox | jade: tofrodos |
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| 21:36.14 | |dennis| | Question: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3375 Please Help |
| 21:37.14 | Mawze__ | where can i find the rc2 netinstall iso? (google is playing hide and go seek with me) |
| 21:37.38 | bytelock | Kill google, and hide the body. |
| 21:37.40 | stew | Mawze__: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst |
| 21:38.27 | flurdoing | is there a simple way to prevent users from being able to leave their home directories other than chroot? |
| 21:38.46 | stew | flurdoing: there isn't a simple way |
| 21:38.47 | Mawze__ | i read that page dozens of times and missed the link to testing everytime ... |
| 21:38.54 | Mawze__ | thanks |
| 21:39.15 | stew | Mawze__: oh, for etch rc2: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:39.36 | stew | which isn't really rc2 but beta2 |
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| 21:39.56 | peder_ | I have installed bind9 and I got ipv6 working great. Now I want to forward and reverse my hosts/ips.. Can anyone help me with that? My IP to forward would be 2001:618:400:6c44::1 to ip6.petruz.org and ip6.petruz.org to 2001:618:400:6c44::1 .. Can anyone help me with that? |
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| 21:43.55 | axolx | hey guys -- whats' the most efficient filesystem for a server that will be used to do web-dev. it will run svn, apache, lots of text editing, and ruby & perl scripts? |
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| 21:44.32 | axolx | any reason to use something different from ext3? |
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| 21:50.30 | dafresh | hi all, i am trying to determine all the necessary module to do an initrd with mdadm raid ... it actually works but with a lot of modules included in the initrd image and i am trying to use only the necessary modules |
| 21:51.11 | dafresh | sry for my english |
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| 21:54.27 | YeTr2 | just installed linux-image-2.6-686, and now the PC stops loading after complaing about /dev/hd@# does not exist while trying to start up with the 2.6 kernel |
| 21:54.42 | tuv | axolx, i'd really like to know what you find out |
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| 21:56.14 | njkt | YeTr2, it's likely your device name was changed... have your tried changing the bootloaders location for /dev/hd to something like /dev/sd ? |
| 21:56.44 | XeXo2 | Hi all, Can someone help me to build a deb which uses update-alternatives so that i can switch between versions, i have compiled firefox 3.0 and i would like to be able to choose between the latest ubuntu version and my cvs version |
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| 21:57.28 | XeXo2 | I tried asking at ubuntu but i don't think anyone knows |
| 21:57.28 | dondelelcaro | XeXo2: you just use update-alternatives --install in your postinst; unfortunatly, this means that the other package will also have to play along and do the same. |
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| 21:57.42 | beardy | XeXo2: This is not #ubuntu, please /join #ubuntu and ask them. |
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| 21:58.04 | XeXo2 | I tried asking in ubuntu but i don't think anyone knows |
| 21:58.09 | dondelelcaro | XeXo2: in the case of a web browser, there's no real reason to do so; you just provide the x-www-browser alternative, and anything that cares should be using sensible-browser anyway. |
| 21:58.10 | XeXo2 | i asked in kubuntu too |
| 21:58.49 | YeTr2 | njkt: if what you say is true, I'm not going to beale to quickly switch back and forth between 2.4 and 2.6 am I? |
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| 21:59.02 | DukeDrake | hi there |
| 21:59.02 | njkt | are you using grub? |
| 21:59.07 | YeTr2 | njkt: yes |
| 21:59.49 | njkt | YeTr2, just change the /boot/grub/menu.lst entry for your new 2.6 kernel |
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| 22:00.05 | YeTr2 | njkt: and fstab? |
| 22:00.09 | njkt | yes |
| 22:00.16 | njkt | forgot about fstab sorry heh |
| 22:00.17 | YeTr2 | or am I missing something |
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| 22:02.59 | DukeDrake | must I have a bootloader in order to run linux? |
| 22:03.13 | numist | do you want to be able to turn the computer on? |
| 22:03.20 | numist | if so, you probably want a bootloader |
| 22:03.27 | DukeDrake | k |
| 22:03.55 | YeTr2 | I don't suppose 2.6 has a way of forcing the drives to be named as hd@ instead of sd@ ? |
| 22:04.06 | Blissex | DukeDrake: but the bootloader can be on a floppy or CD |
| 22:04.15 | DukeDrake | so... I assume other OSs (like old windows) have some kind of "implicit" bootloader? |
| 22:04.16 | Blissex | YeTr2: you could, but what's the point? |
| 22:04.33 | Blissex | DukeDrake: they all have their own bootloaders. They just install it without asking you. |
| 22:04.41 | DukeDrake | I see =) |
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| 22:05.00 | DukeDrake | is that io.sys for DOS? or msdos.sys? |
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| 22:05.20 | YeTr2 | Blissex: so I can move back and forth between 2.4 and 2.6 without having to change other main files? |
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| 22:06.28 | Blissex | YeTr2: crazy idea, but of course you can do that. It is just pretty annoying though. |
| 22:06.45 | DukeDrake | I installed Netinstall, which comes without XWindows ,... which packages do I need to install XWindows? And where do I get them? |
| 22:07.11 | Blissex | YeTr2: there are a few different ways they are all pretty technical. Depends on whether your '/dev' is static or managed by 'devfs' or by 'udev' |
| 22:07.46 | Thanatermesis | dpkg (bloodbot) has the function to tell things to the users when are logged again ? |
| 22:07.47 | dpkg | Thanatermesis: that's too long |
| 22:07.54 | YeTr2 | udev, however udev doesn't work in 2.4 and 2.6 won't mount and start running the udev service till after it mounts / |
| 22:07.59 | XeXo2 | dondelelcaro: Thank You |
| 22:08.08 | Thanatermesis | erf |
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| 22:09.32 | GoAuLd | Thanatermesis hoy escuche por radio algo que vio un periodisca caminando por cuba |
| 22:10.08 | dafresh | is there a way to find wich module are needed to do a bootable initrd with mdadm raid soft ? because it actually works but with a lot of useless modules included in the initrd ... i want to clean that, anyone have an idea ? |
| 22:10.13 | azeem | GoAuLd: please write in english |
| 22:10.23 | GoAuLd | ok |
| 22:10.45 | GoAuLd | sorry this is not the channel to talk about that anyway |
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| 22:12.09 | me_here | it seems that syslog-ng is not causing my screen to be scrambled with messages, i stopped syslog-ng yet those messages still appear on textconsole's [F1-F12], how can i find out which program is piping those messages to them ? |
| 22:12.12 | Smirnov|work | does anyone know what package has mod_fcgi ? |
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| 22:12.15 | Smirnov|work | i can't find it |
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| 22:12.35 | simonrvn | !tell Smirnov|work about pdo |
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| 22:13.18 | Smirnov|work | thx |
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| 22:13.40 | kronoz | hi... would anyone know how i could add the gpg key of this repo, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/, i've tried downloading the Release.gpg and using apt-key add but that didn't help |
| 22:14.00 | cydork | kronoz, check the faq on that site. |
| 22:14.06 | Thanatermesis | GoAuLd, #debian-es ;) |
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| 22:14.29 | Smirnov|work | hmm cant find it on packages.debian |
| 22:14.42 | GoAuLd | i'm banned there |
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| 22:15.54 | Smirnov|work | sweet, fastcgi is already runningthx |
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| 22:15.57 | kronoz | cydork: i somehow didn't see that :p thanks |
| 22:16.01 | tuv | kronoz, it's documented on debian-multimedia web page. in the FAQ i think |
| 22:16.04 | streuner | GoAuLd: you talked there english? |
| 22:17.15 | GoAuLd | :) |
| 22:17.18 | GoAuLd | worse |
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| 22:17.29 | streuner | GoAuLd: just ask an op there what's going on |
| 22:17.50 | streuner | GoAuLd: (the one who banned you) |
| 22:18.12 | GoAuLd | i criticized a bot talking catalonian in a clearly spanish channel |
| 22:18.21 | streuner | oh, ic |
| 22:18.27 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 22:19.02 | GoAuLd | there is too much discordia in this country with regonal languages |
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| 22:19.36 | streuner | not only there, look at middle east... |
| 22:19.58 | GoAuLd | what happens in middle east? |
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| 22:20.15 | azeem | nothing Debian specific |
| 22:20.25 | Vladi | hi, im getting my pppoe connection reset every couple of minutes! Here is what i get in the logs! http://pastebin.ca/122781 Can someone help! |
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| 22:20.48 | streuner | Vladi: what happens if you use another ISP? |
| 22:21.14 | dbindner_ | I'm running a quad-Opteron (16G of ram) with a 32-bit Debian install and a 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp kernel. It has a 64-bit chroot for people to run 64-bit apps in that get minimal use. The system mainains a load average of 13 despite being completely idle. Anyone have any advice for tracking down the cause? |
| 22:21.49 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: load averages are pretty much totally useless, but the ps axfu output should clue you in. |
| 22:22.01 | azeem | dbindner_: is that since recently? |
| 22:22.04 | dondelelcaro | dbindner_: odds are you've got multiple processes in uninteruptible io sleep. |
| 22:22.04 | Vladi | streuner: i have not tried another ISP this was all working untill recently |
| 22:22.18 | azeem | dbindner_: do you use NFS? |
| 22:22.42 | dbindner_ | Yes. You guys nailed it. I found the 'D' processes that must be causing it. |
| 22:23.42 | streuner | Vladi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:26.36 | jbrimble | Hey guys. Last night my office experienced a black-out.. How can I check the debian server to see that the drive(s) are okay? |
| 22:26.41 | dhuv | \q |
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| 22:26.52 | dbindner_ | Interestingly, the were 'rm' processes but not on an NFS filesystem as you might expect. It was running XFS. |
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| 22:30.43 | Vladi | streuner: its whatever version is in stable |
| 22:30.50 | Vladi | streuner: why do u need that ? |
| 22:30.58 | streuner | Vladi: why not? |
| 22:31.09 | jbrimble | does anyone know? |
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| 22:31.22 | streuner | Vladi: we must make sure, that we speak about the same thing... |
| 22:31.23 | Vladi | streuner: im trying to get it but it dissconnects me like every min |
| 22:31.41 | streuner | well, just give us the info, we need that |
| 22:32.04 | Vladi | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:32.12 | streuner | hm |
| 22:32.22 | streuner | !info libc6 etch |
| 22:32.31 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4620 kB, Installed size: 11168 kB |
| 22:32.49 | streuner | Vladi: you are running prolly etch/testing and NOT sarge/stable |
| 22:33.05 | Vladi | streuner: its a mix |
| 22:33.08 | streuner | that's a big difference |
| 22:33.22 | streuner | well, its a bigger difference then :-) |
| 22:33.28 | Vladi | streuner: actully this is "ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone" |
| 22:33.31 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 22:33.32 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 22:34.14 | streuner | Vladi: try to use BTS then |
| 22:34.25 | Vladi | streuner: BTS ? |
| 22:34.33 | streuner | Vladi: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:35.00 | streuner | and use one branch of debian, not a mix |
| 22:35.04 | dbindner_ | Say, if I'm running XFS and I have 4 million files in a directory, I suppose there's the possibility of that dumping an 'rm -r' into uninterruptible sleep? |
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| 22:38.20 | ag786 | hi |
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| 22:38.30 | diilbertAtWork | !backport |
| 22:38.30 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific ... |
| 22:38.49 | streuner | gods, who changed that |
| 22:39.04 | ag786 | anyone know of any good irc client for linux |
| 22:39.06 | streuner | 256 chars for flooding the channel was enough :-) |
| 22:39.26 | streuner | text based irssi-text |
| 22:39.35 | njkt | ag786, xchat is fairly decent |
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| 22:39.37 | ag786 | thnaks |
| 22:39.51 | ag786 | is it included with debian? |
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| 22:39.56 | ag786 | or do i apt-get |
| 22:40.00 | ag786 | ? |
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| 22:41.49 | Cooner750 | Is it possible to boot Debian off of USB |
| 22:41.49 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 22:41.54 | streuner | sure |
| 22:42.03 | streuner | d-i.pascal.at |
| 22:42.04 | axolx | hey guys. im trying to install grub in the MBR of a disk in which im also doing RAID1 and LVM. `/sbin/grub-install "(hd0)"` keeps returning error: failed. any ideas? |
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| 22:43.26 | tuv | streuner, i found that factoid an easily comprehensible one, which is not the case for most |
| 22:43.31 | streuner | CoolCubix: "Installing Debian Sarge from a USB memory stick (USB key)" |
| 22:43.40 | streuner | Cooner750: "Installing Debian Sarge from a USB memory stick (USB key)" |
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| 22:45.51 | streuner | Cooner750: is that what you searching for? |
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| 22:46.51 | streuner | Cooner750: but its possible, there are people out there who just use an USB Stick to run debian |
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| 22:47.16 | streuner | (with all features) |
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| 22:47.38 | streuner | no problem with an 1 GB or 2 GB stick |
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| 22:51.00 | kronoz | debian's X/KDE is _much_ faster with the nv driver than other distros |
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| 22:54.00 | tarsin | i am trying to install apt on my non-debian machine. i found the apt-0.5.28.6.tar.gz, and was able to do "./configure; make" but there apparently is no "make install" ... i searched through all of the documents included with the .tar.g and couldn't find any reference on how to go about installing it. any ideas? |
| 22:55.19 | peder_ | Can anyone check if these ipv6 configs looks ok, and should work? http://petruz.org/bind/ |
| 22:55.42 | cydork | Knorrie, coz it's better than other ;) |
| 22:55.58 | cydork | s/other/others/ |
| 22:57.13 | tarsin | oh well i guess i will manually install them |
| 22:57.22 | jelly-home | hmm, "eject /cdrom" as user doesn't work since maybe 2.6.15. I have permissions for the device. |
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| 22:58.09 | Knorrie | jelly-home: probably there's no /cdrom, try /dev/hdc or like that? |
| 22:58.31 | stew | or /dev/cdrom? |
| 22:58.41 | Knorrie | yeah |
| 22:59.05 | cydork | jelly-home, if you have only one cd-drive then just eject should work fine. |
| 22:59.33 | jelly-home | Knorrie: there is /cdrom, eject uses fstab or mount to find out the device, it umounts fine just doesn't eject. |
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| 23:00.33 | p0le | apt-get -f install gives me >>> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 4298 package 'xserver-xorg-driver-s3virge': file details field 'size' not allowed in status file |
| 23:00.35 | p0le | how can i fix this |
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| 23:01.17 | Knorrie | p0le: sarge? etch? sid? |
| 23:01.30 | p0le | Knorrie, dapper ;) |
| 23:01.38 | Knorrie | p0le: #ubuntu |
| 23:01.41 | stew | p0le: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 23:01.44 | p0le | thank you |
| 23:01.46 | p0le | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.49 | Knorrie | bye |
| 23:01.55 | jelly-home | cydork: I do have just one drive, eject without arguments also finds the correct drive, but doesn't eject either |
| 23:02.00 | p0le | you are so helpful |
| 23:02.07 | Knorrie | p0le: :) |
| 23:02.14 | p0le | considering they use the same package managment system |
| 23:02.43 | Knorrie | p0le: but not the same packages... |
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| 23:03.01 | jelly-home | strace eject: http://pastebin.ca/122809 |
| 23:04.12 | tuv | i think "go to #ubuntu" is the most frequently quoted instruction on #debian |
| 23:04.42 | dondelelcaro | p0le: restore a backup of your status file from /var/backups |
| 23:04.50 | stew | jelly-home: i think you are out of luck then. this looks like the same problem that prevents users in the cdrom group from burning with recent kernels |
| 23:04.55 | p0le | nice, there are backups! |
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| 23:05.20 | dondelelcaro | p0le: and please ask questions about ubuntu in #ubuntu; they're your distributor, and they can help you. |
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| 23:05.50 | p0le | debian users know more about dpkg than those lame ubuntu users ;) |
| 23:05.51 | jelly-home | stew: yep, I think that's it. |
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| 23:06.05 | Knorrie | p0le: so... |
| 23:07.42 | enouf | p0le: fwiw -- there's no "xserver-xorg-driver-s3virge" in /var/lib/dpkg/status, but there's "xserver-xorg-video-s3virge" and others that include the 1st 3 fileds "xserver-xorg-driver-..." |
| 23:08.02 | Ryushin | Okay, I'm about to pull my hair out on this one. It seems that in testing in unstable, vim is always enabling the formatoptions from some where. I can turn it off when I'm in vim, but I can't seem to disable it using the /etc/vim/vimrc file or any other file for that matter. I'm frustrated. |
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| 23:09.13 | p0le | i got it to work... just removed all the lines that match ^Size: |
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| 23:09.35 | jbrimble | I'm having some date problems with my debian box. I've set my timezone to GMT +10, but for some reason when i change the date it changes UTC and then works out my timezone +10 from there. It's pissing me off because I need the most accurate date possible. |
| 23:10.48 | jbrimble | sooo.. when i change the TIME do i have to set it in UTC time and it'll then work out the time depending on the timezone? |
| 23:11.01 | stew | jelly-home: you might need to change the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:11.55 | jelly-home | stew: effin completion |
| 23:12.12 | jbrimble | ah, is someone else having a similiar problem? |
| 23:12.49 | jelly-home | jbrimble: no, it was meant for you |
| 23:12.56 | stew | jbrimble: oops, no, that last message was for you |
| 23:12.57 | jbrimble | ah, i see. thanks |
| 23:13.00 | stew | jelly-home: pardon |
| 23:13.00 | jbrimble | :) |
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| 23:13.03 | jelly-home | np |
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| 23:15.56 | jbrimble | doesn't seem to help, unfortunately. |
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| 23:16.07 | jbrimble | Maybe i need to set the time to UTC and it'll +10 it. |
| 23:16.20 | stew | jbrimble: do you dual-boot with windows? |
| 23:16.31 | jbrimble | no. |
| 23:16.40 | jbrimble | not on this machine |
| 23:16.40 | stew | jbrimble: then you should have UTC=yes |
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| 23:17.35 | jbrimble | ah, i see. I'll try that |
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| 23:18.41 | predder | Anyone aware of an approximate release date for etch beta3? |
| 23:19.26 | Knorrie | 3? |
| 23:20.02 | DoppelGanger | 1812 |
| 23:20.35 | Knorrie | i don't know :) i just apt-get upgrade everyday :p |
| 23:23.14 | stew | predder: check http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
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| 23:25.37 | bkervaski | Hi all. I'm having a hard time with apache on a sarge system. It's installed, running, but not listening on port 80. The config file is the default debian config. netstat doesn't show anything associated with port 80. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 23:26.15 | stew | bkervaski: "/etc/init.d/apache restart" then check for errors in /var/log/apache/error.log |
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| 23:26.59 | bkervaski | The only message is one that says [notice] Accept mutex: sysvsem [Default: sysvsem) |
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| 23:27.33 | stew | bkervaski: do you have apache installed or apache2? |
| 23:27.50 | bkervaski | apache ... |
| 23:28.08 | bkervaski | Apache2 was installed at some point, but not any longer. |
| 23:29.09 | bkervaski | Would apache2-mpm-prefork have anything to do with it? |
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| 23:29.54 | bkervaski | The log says it's configured and resuming normal operation ... |
| 23:29.58 | bkervaski | Weird.. |
| 23:30.23 | bkervaski | Ok, wget localhost pulls a file, so it's something to do with the networking.. |
| 23:30.27 | bkervaski | I don't have iptables running at all ... |
| 23:30.57 | bkervaski | Or rather, no iptables rules... |
| 23:31.09 | jbrimble | how can i change the time/date through the shell? |
| 23:31.37 | bkervaski | I'm ssh'd in, so networking is fine.. It's a production system and has been working with everything else.. |
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| 23:31.52 | bkervaski | The question is what would cause apache to only listen on the local ip? |
| 23:32.03 | JKnife | someone needs to update http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html as netselect-apt is in its own package now |
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| 23:32.21 | bkervaski | no inetd entries associated with port 80 ... |
| 23:33.02 | jnguy[w] | !seen umichdm |
| 23:33.03 | dpkg | jnguy[w]: i haven't seen 'umichdm' |
| 23:33.16 | bws42 | bkervaski: does your config file have "Listen 80" in it? |
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| 23:33.56 | stew | jbrimble: netselect depends on netseelct-apt, so installing netselect as those instructions suggest will also get you the netselect-apt package |
| 23:33.58 | bkervaski | No entry at all. Default's to listen 80 I though .. I'll add it though.. again, default debian httpd.conf |
| 23:34.03 | stew | JKnife: ^^^ |
| 23:34.16 | stew | jbrimble: not you |
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| 23:34.36 | JKnife | stew: umm... not in sarge ?.? |
| 23:34.53 | stew | JKnife: no? |
| 23:34.57 | bkervaski | Ok, this is weird... If I do a Listen 80, it don't work, but if I do a Listen 3000 and access it on port 3000 from a differnet machine, it works... weird... |
| 23:34.59 | stew | JKnife: oh its a suggests |
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| 23:35.46 | stew | JKnife: file a bug against the www.debian.org virtual package: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 23:35.58 | JKnife | ok |
| 23:36.13 | bws42 | bkervaski are you doing this as root? |
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| 23:36.18 | bkervaski | Yep. |
| 23:36.39 | enouf | jbrimble: see the man pages for tzconfig and tzselect |
| 23:37.04 | bkervaski | I know my way around debian pretty well, this is just a weird problem. This machine has had apache2 installed and removed and I'm thinking something from that but for my life I can't figure out what could cause apache to not want to bind to port 80 ... |
| 23:37.30 | abrotman | something else is using it |
| 23:37.33 | bws42 | bkervaski can you paste the output of netstat -an |
| 23:37.38 | bkervaski | Wouldn't that show up in netstat? |
| 23:37.40 | bws42 | (not here obviously) |
| 23:38.11 | enouf | !tell bws42 -about paster |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | bkervaski: fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 23:38.29 | dvs | enouf: /msg bots NOT people |
| 23:38.29 | stew | bkervaski: are you positive that apache and not apache2 are installed now? |
| 23:38.33 | enouf | bws42 .. doh apoologies |
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| 23:38.51 | bws42 | no worries, I'd forgotten what it was called anyway :P |
| 23:39.03 | bkervaski | Yes, quite positive... |
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| 23:39.32 | bkervaski | Netstat -an output: http://pastebin.ca/122840 |
| 23:39.40 | enouf | bws42 ....hehehe |
| 23:40.19 | abrotman | bkervaski: is there an error in the error log when you try to start on 80 ? |
| 23:40.28 | bkervaski | fuser -n tcp 80 returns nothing... |
| 23:40.37 | bws42 | bkervaski change it back to 80 and restart it |
| 23:40.49 | bws42 | then repaste |
| 23:42.40 | bkervaski | Ok, it does show a listen on 0.0.0.0:80 --> http://pastebin.ca/122843 |
| 23:42.45 | bkervaski | But it ain't.. :p |
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| 23:43.20 | bws42 | well it must be |
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| 23:43.37 | bws42 | try doing a wget locally using the non-localhost IP |
| 23:43.48 | bkervaski | k, brb |
| 23:44.01 | bkervaski | btw: fuser now returns: 80/tcp: 7965 8481 8482 8483 8484 8485 |
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| 23:44.58 | diilbertAtWork | So I am still trying to get my usb card reader working... I got 2.6.16 installed and the driver is being associated with the device... |
| 23:44.58 | bkervaski | How do I get wget to bind to another IP? (Thanks for the help, btw) |
| 23:45.15 | diilbertAtWork | BUT I am getting a sda device being created, but no sda1 etc |
| 23:45.19 | diilbertAtWork | any ideas > |
| 23:45.29 | bws42 | I mean do wget http://192.168.1.254/path isntead of http://localhost/path |
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| 23:45.40 | bws42 | sorry 192.168.254.100 |
| 23:45.42 | bkervaski | yep, works |
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| 23:45.47 | bkervaski | Not from another machine, though |
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| 23:46.01 | digit | hey all |
| 23:46.04 | bws42 | so, you sure you're not running iptables? :P |
| 23:46.05 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: got a File system on it? |
| 23:46.15 | diilbertAtWork | The only real lead I have is a "unknown partition type" message in dmesg |
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| 23:46.26 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: yes |
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| 23:46.32 | bkervaski | Conection refused ... |
| 23:46.32 | diilbertAtWork | It is fat32 |
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| 23:46.48 | neutr0n | has anyone got windows and debian working on a bios raid? one where you create a software raid with 2 hard drives for linux and one configured to use the bios raid for windows, is it possible to get grub to select which one to boot to? |
| 23:46.55 | bws42 | well connection refused means it's getting outright denied instead of dropped |
| 23:46.57 | diilbertAtWork | I tried doing an fdisk on sda, but that falied |
| 23:47.13 | digit | I was wondering if anyone has ever had a screen flicker problem with nvidia gforce |
| 23:47.17 | diilbertAtWork | I am way furhter ahead then I was a week ago :D |
| 23:47.21 | bkervaski | Ok, it listens on other ports. On 80 it deops the connection state with a refused... First thought: iptables, but no rules exist (iptables -l) |
| 23:47.23 | bkervaski | hrm.... |
| 23:47.24 | digit | 6200 pcie |
| 23:47.30 | bws42 | bkervaski: iptables -L does nothing? |
| 23:47.38 | bws42 | ahh, too slow |
| 23:47.52 | bkervaski | Just shows the empty rules/policies |
| 23:48.04 | bws42 | what's the default policy for input? |
| 23:48.12 | bkervaski | no policy |
| 23:48.13 | bws42 | nevermind, must be ACCEPT if you're sshing |
| 23:48.13 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: that error isn't good either - but what does fdisk -l /dev/sda say ? -- is there important data on there ? |
| 23:48.29 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: nope |
| 23:48.32 | bkervaski | Weird, eh? |
| 23:48.36 | bws42 | bkervaski this is really weird |
| 23:48.42 | bkervaski | gonna be something stupid, guarantee it. |
| 23:48.59 | bws42 | do you have any other machines you can try downloading with? |
| 23:49.05 | bkervaski | Could apache2 have left something behind possibly? |
| 23:49.21 | bkervaski | bws42: Yep, tried from three different machines. All work on port 3000, none work on port 80. |
| 23:49.22 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: Unable to read /dev/sda |
| 23:49.26 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: and what do you mean by "sda device being created" <-- when you plug it in?, it shows up? how |
| 23:49.37 | DoppelGanger | magic |
| 23:49.42 | bws42 | bkervaski I don't think so, especially given that it is in fact listening |
| 23:50.09 | bkervaski | When I had it set to Listen 3000, that is. |
| 23:50.17 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: are you sure that "sda" is the device you intend(ed) , not some other scsi device or usb device ? perhaps sdb, sdc ... |
| 23:50.27 | bkervaski | Yea, it's pretty much kicking my ass... |
| 23:50.45 | bws42 | bkervaski are you trying to download from within the same subnet? |
| 23:50.59 | bkervaski | Yep. |
| 23:51.24 | abrotman | firewall ? |
| 23:51.25 | bkervaski | I already checked my /etc/networking/interfaces and even changed the ip around.. rebooted too.. |
| 23:51.30 | bkervaski | No firewall, local lan. |
| 23:51.40 | abrotman | and no errors from the errror.log ? |
| 23:51.57 | abrotman | bkervaski: wait .. fuser -n tcp 80 returns stuff? |
| 23:52.28 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: demsg shows --> http://paste.uni.cc/9123 |
| 23:52.48 | bkervaski | None. Here is the error log: http://pastebin.ca/122850 |
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| 23:53.24 | bkervaski | And the access log: http://pastebin.ca/122853 |
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| 23:53.33 | diilbertAtWork | When I plug in the card reader with a card in the slot |
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| 23:53.45 | jvm | hello |
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| 23:54.04 | diilbertAtWork | hey |
| 23:54.05 | bkervaski | abrotman: Yes, it returns: 80/tcp: 7965 8481 8482 8483 8484 8485 |
| 23:54.13 | jvm | where do i configure my display manager with debian etch? there's no prefdm-file, xdm-directory or /etc/init.d/dm as i'm used from other distributions |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | bkervaski: and those are ? |
| 23:54.20 | ice_1963 | what is better fluxbox or blackbox for me to try? |
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| 23:54.32 | abrotman | jvm: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 23:54.34 | bkervaski | The apache pids ... |
| 23:54.34 | digit | anyone know about nvida |
| 23:54.37 | abrotman | ice_1963: mostly the same |
| 23:54.43 | abrotman | bkervaski: is that bad? |
| 23:54.49 | JKnife | ice_1963: fluxbox is a bloated version of blackbox |
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| 23:55.00 | bkervaski | No, it just won't get requests on 80 .. works when I put port 3000 just fine... |
| 23:55.02 | abrotman | they have different goals now |
| 23:55.05 | JKnife | and openbox is the version that didnt eat |
| 23:55.11 | abrotman | bkervaski: telnet <ip> 80 .. does it connect? |
| 23:55.27 | bkervaski | Yep, locally. remotely no dice |
| 23:55.35 | abrotman | firewall! |
| 23:55.36 | bkervaski | Nope. |
| 23:55.41 | abrotman | or it's not binding to the correct IP |
| 23:55.41 | bkervaski | :) |
| 23:55.42 | JKnife | router? |
| 23:55.51 | ice_1963 | well i tryed kde and gnome and :( |
| 23:55.58 | JKnife | XFCE 4.4 |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | ice_1963: try xwinman.org .. find one you like |
| 23:56.03 | bkervaski | No binding rule at all. Like I said, if I put Listen 3000 in the config instead of listen 80, works great. |
| 23:56.06 | bkervaski | No router, local lan. |
| 23:56.14 | abrotman | firewall! |
| 23:56.18 | JKnife | =) |
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| 23:56.22 | abrotman | don't use browsers .. use telnet to test |
| 23:56.24 | bkervaski | $25.00 bounty via paypal if one of you guys can figure it out... |
| 23:56.33 | abrotman | bkervaski: if you telnet <ip> 80 ... what's the error ? |
| 23:56.39 | bkervaski | Yea, tried that (telnet to test) same deal ... |
| 23:56.44 | bkervaski | abrotman: connection refused |
| 23:56.48 | abrotman | firewall! |
| 23:56.51 | bkervaski | Nope. |
| 23:56.58 | bkervaski | I promise, no firewall, iptables or otherwise. |
| 23:57.15 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: any ideas ? |
| 23:57.16 | bkervaski | No filtering at the network level, nothign. |
| 23:57.17 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: hrmmm.. no important data (and if you're 100% sure /sda/ is NOT another device) then I'd prolly try a 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1' to rewrite the MBR and start anew |
| 23:57.27 | abrotman | ok .. look .. if connection is refused .. either it's not listening .. or something is blocking it |
| 23:57.30 | bws42 | I have to agree with abrotman, it's gotta be a firewall |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | bkervaski: ok .. wait .. it's listening on 80 now right ? |
| 23:57.52 | bkervaski | Yep. |
| 23:58.03 | abrotman | bkervaski: now paste netstat -an |
| 23:58.41 | bkervaski | I did, it's here: http://pastebin.ca/122862 |
| 23:58.48 | bkervaski | It shows an entry for port 80. |
| 23:58.59 | abrotman | an entry? |
| 23:59.04 | bkervaski | Yep, 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 23:59.05 | digit | i think netcat or nmap will work better than telnet because of telnets restrictions |
| 23:59.16 | digit | try nmap |
| 23:59.16 | JKnife | bkervaski: umm i just telneted to your pc on port 80 |
| 23:59.18 | JKnife | -_- |
| 23:59.24 | bkervaski | heh |
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| 23:59.31 | abrotman | that thing has more ports open than a windows box |
| 23:59.40 | JKnife | hahaha |
| 23:59.42 | bkervaski | It's doing a lot of stuff... |
| 23:59.48 | abrotman | just not apache |
| 23:59.59 | abrotman | bkervaski: paste iptables -L |
