| 00:00.04 | jvm | abrotman: i've no /etc/X11/d... |
| 00:00.30 | abrotman | jvm: you don't have /etc/X11/default-display-manager? |
| 00:00.33 | abrotman | !wm |
| 00:00.33 | dpkg | it has been said that window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 00:00.37 | abrotman | erm .. wrong one |
| 00:00.38 | pipeline | Is there any way to use fibre channel for IP networking in a homogenously linux 2.6 environment? |
| 00:00.39 | bkervaski | iptables -L: http://pastebin.ca/122865 |
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| 00:00.44 | abrotman | !tell jvm about dm |
| 00:00.46 | abrotman | jvm: do you have one of those installed ? |
| 00:00.56 | jvm | abchirk: gdm and entrance are installed |
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| 00:01.05 | abrotman | jvm: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 00:01.06 | jvm | abrotman: gdm and entrance are installed |
| 00:01.10 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: there is nothing else... and when I plug in the reader it shows up as sda in dmesg |
| 00:01.13 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 00:01.24 | digit | hey k-man |
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| 00:01.28 | abrotman | bkervaski: so you can telnet to any other port on the box .. just not 80 ? |
| 00:01.52 | jvm | Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm. |
| 00:01.52 | jvm | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/var/lib/scrollkeeper/(null)/scrollkeeper_cl.xml" |
| 00:02.00 | bkervaski | Right. But I can telnet 80 from the local machine, I can even telnet to it's ip address from itself, but not remotely. I swear, it's a f*cking weird problem to have ... |
| 00:02.09 | jvm | abrotman: want to switch from gdm to entrance, but don't know how |
| 00:02.14 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: Ok ... how about /etc/fstab show anything? -- After the 'dd', then mkfs.vfat if you want to use FAT - see /usr/share/man/man8/mkfs.vfat.8.gz (or just 'man mkfs.vfat') |
| 00:02.52 | abrotman | jvm: eh .. what version of debian is this ? |
| 00:02.58 | jvm | abrotman: etch |
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| 00:03.07 | abrotman | jvm: is scrollkeeper installed? |
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| 00:03.35 | jvm | abrotman: yes |
| 00:03.39 | abrotman | bkervaski: can you restart both machines? |
| 00:03.48 | abrotman | jvm: but you don't want gdm anyways ? |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | jvm: what happens when you install entrance ? |
| 00:04.00 | bkervaski | Yea, I've done all that. :) |
| 00:04.09 | abrotman | bkervaski: arp tables ok ? |
| 00:04.10 | jvm | abrotman: entrance is installed, but i did compile it manually |
| 00:04.12 | abrotman | bkervaski: route tables ok ? |
| 00:04.24 | bkervaski | Yep. Cleared them. Haven't looked at the routing tables, good idea, brb |
| 00:04.27 | jvm | abrotman: can start it also, but don't know how to set is as standard |
| 00:04.33 | digit | hey k-man was wondering if you could tell me somthing' |
| 00:04.34 | abrotman | jvm: you're going to have to check the bts .. see how to get gdm installed i guess |
| 00:04.38 | bws42 | bkervaski that machine doesn't do NAT does it? |
| 00:04.39 | bkervaski | Clean routing tables. |
| 00:04.43 | bkervaski | Nope, no NAT. |
| 00:05.04 | bkervaski | Arp tables will rebuild after reboot, they're clean (checked to make sure) |
| 00:05.17 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: NOthing good --> mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system |
| 00:05.32 | bkervaski | I'm going to let it to an apt upgrade and see where that leaves me .. |
| 00:05.35 | abrotman | bkervaski: can you telnet from the broken box to the other box ? |
| 00:05.39 | diilbertAtWork | I am further ahead then I was this morning... I am off thanks for the suggestions :) |
| 00:05.40 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: Did you dd first ? |
| 00:05.45 | diilbertAtWork | yes |
| 00:05.54 | bkervaski | Yes. |
| 00:06.05 | jvm | abrotman: what does bts mean? |
| 00:06.13 | diilbertAtWork | Usually it is support to show up as a sdaN device |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:06.16 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 00:06.30 | jvm | ah! |
| 00:06.31 | jvm | thanks |
| 00:06.34 | diilbertAtWork | I have read every card reader doc I can track down |
| 00:06.40 | abrotman | important for those running testing/unstable |
| 00:06.41 | diilbertAtWork | and I know that much |
| 00:06.43 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: Then dd the whole thing -- try 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=63' -- how many MB is that thing ? |
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| 00:07.40 | abrotman | jvm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370806 |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 00:08.04 | kronoz | how would i install full sources for the currently running kernel? |
| 00:08.05 | bkervaski | (sigh) it's not often I stump people on irc.. heh |
| 00:08.10 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: If I do anything with a count higher then 1 it gives me a not enough space error.. |
| 00:08.10 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: Also - now try 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' again |
| 00:08.11 | abrotman | bkervaski: firewall! |
| 00:08.14 | diilbertAtWork | It can't be the card |
| 00:08.15 | bkervaski | No firewall.. |
| 00:08.19 | diilbertAtWork | it is 64 mb |
| 00:08.34 | abrotman | bkervaski: hosts.allow/deny ? |
| 00:08.49 | diilbertAtWork | enouf: it just kicks out |
| 00:08.52 | bkervaski | Would that affect anything at the port level? |
| 00:08.53 | diilbertAtWork | nothing |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | it can |
| 00:09.00 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: Might it be locked in some way ? with 64MB should use count=128 |
| 00:09.18 | bkervaski | hrm.. brb |
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| 00:09.40 | diilbertAtWork | Anything larger then count=1 gives me a "NO space left on device error' |
| 00:09.54 | diilbertAtWork | It must not be loading properly |
| 00:09.57 | abchirk | thx abrotman ;) |
| 00:10.11 | diilbertAtWork | I will screw around more later... thanks for the suggestions I have to go |
| 00:10.21 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: that is weird...ok bye now |
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| 00:12.25 | bkervaski | looking for my netinst cd ... |
| 00:12.26 | bkervaski | heh |
| 00:12.36 | diilbertAtWork | weird is not quite the word I was looking for... ;) This is only thing not working :( |
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| 00:13.59 | enouf | diilbertAtWork: I know you're gone but wierd is perfect for a fat32 fs that can't be written - I'll bet someone put a selinux or cryptofs on that thing |
| 00:14.04 | mzuverink | Where can I find an installer for debian testing? |
| 00:14.13 | dvs | !testing |
| 00:14.14 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 00:14.23 | jvm | abrotman: thanks, now it works fine |
| 00:14.24 | dvs | damn! |
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| 00:14.43 | abrotman | jvm: enjoy |
| 00:14.48 | abrotman | jvm: is that file there now ? |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | Bangers: where's Mash ? |
| 00:15.24 | dvs | mzuverink: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 00:15.30 | Bangers | i have a single interface, with two IP's (eth0, eth0:1) - i want to do a route so that if the destination is a specific IP, use the source IP address of eth0:1 |
| 00:15.34 | Bangers | how do you do that? |
| 00:15.44 | Bangers | route command is rejecting the eth0:1 interface |
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| 00:18.05 | kronoz | is framebuffer (vga-fb or vga-tng) enabled in etch's kernel? |
| 00:18.35 | kronoz | how can i make my debian boot with 1024x768 res? |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | vesafb you mean ? |
| 00:18.42 | kronoz | abrotman: yea |
| 00:18.45 | enouf | Bangers: 'man arp' perhaps...I'm not sure |
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| 00:21.32 | Bangers | enouf: why arp lol? :) |
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| 00:22.08 | abrotman | for fun and profit! |
| 00:23.49 | bkervaski | Ok, let's go this route: How do I setup apache to run from inetd in debian (sarge)... I assume: create an inetd entry, remove the init.d script, change httpd.conf, anything else? |
| 00:24.03 | enouf | Bangers: just a guess -- but a WAG way off, from your response..hehehe - howsabout another like /hosts ;-) |
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| 00:26.14 | abrotman | bkervaski: are you serious? |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | bkervaski: do you realize the overhead you're going to incur ? |
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| 00:27.37 | bkervaski | It's just a management gui for an asterisk based phone system, will be used very infrequently.. besides, didn't work anyway... |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:28.37 | bkervaski | I'm about .4ms from a ipl |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | i'd just find the firewall and turn it off |
| 00:28.44 | abrotman | IPL ? |
| 00:28.46 | bkervaski | Man, there ain't one... |
| 00:29.00 | abrotman | Insane Polish Lollygagging ? |
| 00:29.11 | bkervaski | (i)nitial (p)rogram (l)oad, back in the mainframe days, basically means a reboot, but today it's about to mean format and reinstall debian... |
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| 00:29.26 | bkervaski | Which, I must say, I've never had to do to solve a problem... |
| 00:29.31 | abrotman | can you try changing IPs ... |
| 00:29.35 | abrotman | (yeah yeah .. shouldn't matter) |
| 00:29.38 | bws42 | or simply running it on port 80 :P |
| 00:29.43 | bws42 | doh |
| 00:29.46 | bws42 | I meant 3000 |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | bkervaski: wait .. |
| 00:29.56 | abrotman | bkervaski: are you going to be the only one accessing it? |
| 00:30.00 | bkervaski | Yea. I just can't stand for somethign not to work. |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | yeah .. just run it on 8080 or something |
| 00:30.08 | bkervaski | Yea, probably what I will end up doing (sigh). |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | ok .. then let's keep going :) |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | find one process .. paste the line from ps aux or whatever ps variation you like |
| 00:30.41 | bkervaski | reveals the pids apache and it's threads are started with ... |
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| 00:30.55 | bkervaski | They all belong to apache. |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | i'd like to see one :) |
| 00:31.06 | bkervaski | The intial apache process is root, the restart are www-data |
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| 00:31.21 | bkervaski | the 'rest are', not 'restart', sorry |
| 00:31.34 | bkervaski | www-data 2050 0.0 0.4 11096 4444 pts/2 S 19:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/apach |
| 00:31.49 | abrotman | can you do a COLUMNS=200 and get the full command ? |
| 00:32.33 | bkervaski | That's it ... |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 00:32.37 | bkervaski | just add an 'e' |
| 00:32.47 | abrotman | so oyu're trying ot run apache1 .. not 2 .. right ? |
| 00:32.52 | bkervaski | Right. |
| 00:33.16 | bkervaski | 1.3.33 |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | anything special about the httpd.conf ? |
| 00:33.50 | bkervaski | Nope. Nothing, it's exactly what comes with the distro ... |
| 00:34.01 | bkervaski | Listen 80 was added and it has a Port 80 directive |
| 00:34.22 | abrotman | you shouldn't have to add Listen 80 |
| 00:34.39 | bws42 | I had him add it |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | oh good job smarty pants! |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | you screwed the whole thing up! |
| 00:34.52 | bkervaski | Right... I took it out since then.. Even if I run it directly with a -f /etc/apache/http.conf, I get the same results. |
| 00:35.09 | bws42 | I'm sorry |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | i'm joking |
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| 00:35.14 | bkervaski | heh |
| 00:35.16 | JKnife | hehe |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 00:35.20 | JKnife | HAHAHA |
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| 00:35.36 | abrotman | i was joking! |
| 00:35.41 | bws42 | I know :P |
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| 00:35.45 | abrotman | bkervaski: so your httpd.conf is pristine now ? |
| 00:35.46 | bkervaski | apache -T checks out OK |
| 00:35.53 | bkervaski | Pristine, yep. |
| 00:35.56 | bws42 | woulda come back quicker but my connection is quite laggy... |
| 00:36.04 | abrotman | bws42: /cycle |
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| 00:36.10 | abrotman | bws42: yay! |
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| 00:36.26 | abrotman | or he did that .. and his connection is REALLY slow :) |
| 00:36.31 | bkervaski | no vhost config |
| 00:36.39 | bws42 | nah, I did /part /join |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | bkervaski: can you run something like jnettop or tcpdump or something like that and confirm the connection is hitting the box? |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | or even netstat -an :) |
| 00:37.07 | bws42 | lol, you thought my address was from a vhost? |
| 00:37.33 | bkervaski | eh? |
| 00:37.43 | bws42 | oh... nevermind |
| 00:37.46 | bkervaski | No, I was saying that I had no virtual hosts defined ... |
| 00:37.48 | abrotman | bws42: he's talking about his httpd.conf :) |
| 00:37.51 | bws42 | yeah, my bad |
| 00:38.45 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 00:38.58 | JKnife | abrotman, stick it in the freezer |
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| 00:39.06 | abrotman | JKnife: in the trash already .. |
| 00:39.14 | JKnife | =/ |
| 00:39.20 | dvs | shoulda made banana bread |
| 00:39.37 | bkervaski | jnettop shows a connection on port 80 from the remote machine(s) I'm testing with ... |
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| 00:40.37 | bkervaski | tcpdump shows it as well. |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | and says what? |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | that's it ? just that it's coming in ? |
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| 00:43.24 | abrotman | bkervaski: and you're still getting connection refused ? |
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| 00:44.11 | bkervaski | Yep. I'm trying to figure out how to filter tcpdump right this second.. |
| 00:46.08 | jbrimble | any tutorials for setting up a basic email server with 3 accounts? |
| 00:46.19 | JKnife | http://www.phrack.org/ <- is someone picking it back up? |
| 00:46.45 | bkervaski | Here's my tcpdump output: http://pastebin.ca/122962 |
| 00:47.43 | bkervaski | It's obviously apache related somehow.. i'm willing to bet it has something to do with removing apache2... dunno what.. but only thing left.. |
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| 00:48.27 | ice_1963 | what is jest as good as k3b to install in fluxbox? |
| 00:48.37 | dvs | nothing!!!!!!!! |
| 00:49.21 | abrotman | bkervaski: .1 is your testing box .. and .100 is the server ? |
| 00:49.30 | bkervaski | Yep. |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | bkervaski: do you have any other apache related items on the box ? |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | (other sites i mean) |
| 00:50.04 | bkervaski | Nope. Notta. Weird, eh? heh |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | bkervaski: purge it all :) |
| 00:50.19 | udos | what do I need to do besides adding the hostname(or IP) using xhost to allow a remote client display X apps on my KDE? |
| 00:50.32 | bkervaski | Yea, I actually already tried that.. dpkg -p everything apache/apache2 related.. |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | bkervaski: apt-get(or aptitude) --purge remove apache-common apache2-common |
| 00:50.38 | udos | I already exported the DISPLAY on the remote client |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | bkervaski: and .. purge libapr |
| 00:51.00 | bkervaski | What's libapr? |
| 00:51.02 | udos | ran xhost +<hostname> on the KDE X Srever |
| 00:51.06 | abrotman | !info libapr sarge |
| 00:51.23 | abrotman | !info libapr0 sarge |
| 00:51.26 | dpkg | libapr0: (the Apache Portable Runtime), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 127 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 00:51.33 | bkervaski | Errors encountered while processing apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 00:51.36 | bkervaski | hrmm... |
| 00:51.40 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:52.26 | bkervaski | Should I apt-get -f install? |
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| 00:52.56 | abrotman | does it tell you why it won't purge it ? |
| 00:53.10 | bkervaski | Nope, just a sec... |
| 00:53.12 | ice_1963 | well |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | well what? |
| 00:53.57 | android6011 | i am having some problems booting a dvd i created with bootcdwrite, what happens is it begins to load then reports that things like modules.dep cant be found etc |
| 00:55.04 | android6011 | any ideas on what i should do? |
| 00:55.05 | ice_1963 | abrotman: do you need to go to xwinmen.org |
| 00:55.12 | bkervaski | Ok, dpkg -l | grep apache returns nothing.. here we go with the install ... |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | ice_1963: xwinman.org |
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| 00:55.51 | bkervaski | FUCK |
| 00:55.51 | ice_1963 | abrotman: what |
| 00:55.56 | bkervaski | Same thing. |
| 00:55.58 | teknoprep | how do i get the newest kernel-image... apt-get is only showing 2.8.2 |
| 00:56.00 | bkervaski | This makes NO SENSE |
| 00:56.06 | teknoprep | or 2.6.8 |
| 00:56.08 | abrotman | teknoprep: 2.6.8 ? |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | teknoprep: that is the newest official kernel in sarge |
| 00:56.17 | teknoprep | i want 2.6.15 + |
| 00:56.20 | teknoprep | hmm |
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| 00:56.26 | abrotman | teknoprep: /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 00:56.28 | teknoprep | no mppe built into the kernel |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | ry1: still building! |
| 00:56.32 | teknoprep | still need a patch |
| 00:56.37 | ry1 | abrotman: lol |
| 00:56.42 | ry1 | that's insane |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | ry1: no .. it finally finished |
| 00:56.47 | ry1 | oh |
| 00:56.49 | ry1 | :) |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | teknoprep: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | bkervaski: but it is running again |
| 00:57.43 | bkervaski | Just a sec.. purging again, missed libapr0 |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | doh |
| 00:58.20 | bkervaski | What does libapr do exactly? |
| 00:58.28 | abrotman | !info libapr0 sarge |
| 00:58.31 | abrotman | that's all i know :) |
| 00:58.32 | dpkg | libapr0: (the Apache Portable Runtime), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 127 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 00:58.57 | bkervaski | Ahh.. a 'virtual package' |
| 00:59.12 | bkervaski | It's big.. still purging.. |
| 00:59.16 | abrotman | oh .. there's also apache2-utils |
| 00:59.20 | bkervaski | Yea, got that one. |
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| 00:59.53 | bkervaski | Hard drive light just solid ... doing something.. hopefully libapr0 wasn't linked to the base system.. heh |
| 00:59.55 | goingtomoonbrb | Hello. I'm still having memory issues. |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: ginko bolobokolgo |
| 01:00.14 | goingtomoonbrb | Last night I was on complaining of memory issues, but people said "Stop using KDE" |
| 01:00.17 | goingtomoonbrb | So, I did. |
| 01:00.21 | bkervaski | Ok, all purged.. going to install again.. |
| 01:00.36 | goingtomoonbrb | Currently, I'm running XDM with FluxBox, and I'm still having memory issues. |
| 01:00.41 | goingtomoonbrb | Mem: 516668k total, 463960k used, 52708k free, 17280k buffers |
| 01:00.43 | goingtomoonbrb | Swap: 506036k total, 224032k used, 282004k free, 332636k cached |
| 01:01.03 | goingtomoonbrb | That's a LOT of memory to be used by XDM, KDE, gAIM, and three mrxvt terminals. |
| 01:02.06 | bkervaski | Same thing. I give up. What's in between TCP and apache? |
| 01:02.07 | bws42 | what's your definition of a "memory problem" |
| 01:02.07 | bkervaski | iptables |
| 01:02.07 | bkervaski | but no rules |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | bkervaski: iptables :) |
| 01:02.07 | bkervaski | Yea, but no rules... |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | ipchains ? |
| 01:02.07 | goingtomoonbrb | bws42: the fact that after about 8 hours of uptime my memory is, according to top, maxed out |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | how old is the box? |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: they explained this to you last night .. your'e not |
| 01:02.08 | goingtomoonbrb | But top doesn't list any programs that could be using that much memory. |
| 01:02.08 | bkervaski | Nope. Incompatible with this kernel... |
| 01:02.08 | bws42 | goingtomoonbrb: can you still do things? |
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| 01:02.15 | goingtomoonbrb | bws42: It slows down majorly. |
| 01:02.20 | bkervaski | abrotman: Not very, 9 months maybe. It was a clean sarge install. |
| 01:02.24 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: do you want to do this again .. vmstat 1 .. see stuff in si/so ? |
| 01:02.24 | dondelelcaro | goingtomoonbrb: what does free; say? |
| 01:02.29 | dondelelcaro | oh, we've done that. |
| 01:02.34 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: Well, I guess the explination didn't particularly sink in. Could you either help explain it, or point me in the right direction for a source to help me understand? |
| 01:02.41 | bkervaski | I've never had a problem like this with linux or freebsd. |
| 01:02.54 | dondelelcaro | goingtomoonbrb: what's the third line of free say? |
| 01:02.59 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: Yes, I see it. so and si are 0 constantly |
| 01:03.13 | goingtomoonbrb | -/+ buffers/cache: 113664 403004 |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | goingtomoonbrb: then not a problem :) |
| 01:03.23 | bkervaski | Trying to install apache2 |
| 01:03.27 | abrotman | bkervaski: yay! |
| 01:03.47 | dondelelcaro | goingtomoonbrb: so as you can see, you've got 403004, or around 390M free. |
| 01:03.55 | goingtomoonbrb | Ah. |
| 01:03.57 | dondelelcaro | or, shall we say, trivially freeable. |
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| 01:04.15 | goingtomoonbrb | I see. So, it just doesn't clear out old cached stuff, and so it's kind of "ghost" memory? |
| 01:04.16 | vinvin | hi |
| 01:04.35 | dondelelcaro | goingtomoonbrb: free memory is wasted memory. Linux is smart, and uses any memory that applications aren't using to cache things. |
| 01:04.38 | bkervaski | Same thing. |
| 01:04.45 | goingtomoonbrb | Ah. |
| 01:04.59 | bkervaski | Oh well, thanks for your help abrotman (and others). Going with port 3000. |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | bkervaski: apache2 no good either? |
| 01:05.07 | vinvin | i've just reinstalled my server with a debian 3.0r1 cd, and i can't get ssh -X working, while it's permitted in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Any help ? |
| 01:05.08 | bws42 | heh good luck bkervaski |
| 01:05.08 | goingtomoonbrb | But, it will automatically un-cache these things to make free space for others, correct? |
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| 01:05.14 | bkervaski | :) |
| 01:05.18 | bkervaski | (*$@$#(@$()) |
| 01:05.19 | bkervaski | heh |
| 01:05.20 | dondelelcaro | goingtomoonbrb: it'll just allocate that memory if it's neeed. |
| 01:05.24 | abrotman | bkervaski: is there anything weird in /etc/rc2.d/ or /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 01:05.28 | goingtomoonbrb | Ah, ok. |
| 01:05.41 | goingtomoonbrb | dondelelcaro: abrotman: Thank you for your explination. |
| 01:05.48 | goingtomoonbrb | These are the things that manuals don't tell you :/ |
| 01:05.53 | goingtomoonbrb | ¯\(º_o)/¯ |
| 01:06.13 | bkervaski | Let me go look ... |
| 01:06.38 | abrotman | bkervaski: i just find it hard to believe apache is listening on 80:0.0.0.0 and you get connection refused and there's no firewall |
| 01:06.53 | bkervaski | You and me both! |
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| 01:08.02 | bkervaski | I works on port 79, 81, 82, etc. |
| 01:08.04 | bkervaski | Just not 80. |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | if you purge apache .. and apache2 .. there's nothing left listening on 80 is there ? |
| 01:08.37 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: can you connect telnet localhost 80; ? |
| 01:08.43 | bkervaski | Yes. |
| 01:09.19 | vinvin | why would ssh not export DISPLAY on the remote shell ? |
| 01:09.20 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: if you can telnet to localhost 80; then it's working. Something in between the machine is blocking packets destined for port 80. If you're at a residential ISP, then that's unfortunatly not all that unusual. |
| 01:09.29 | abrotman | it's a LAN |
| 01:09.48 | dondelelcaro | vinvin: because you didn't use ssh -X or enable X11Forwarding |
| 01:10.04 | vinvin | and if it is dondelelcaro ? |
| 01:10.06 | bkervaski | Yea, I agree. It's a LAN, no firewalls or funky switches, no proxies, no iptables or ipchaines, no windows firewall rules or anything like that. |
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| 01:10.16 | dondelelcaro | vinvin: then DISPLAY wasn't set in the shell that you ssh'ed from. |
| 01:10.26 | vinvin | it was |
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| 01:10.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: tcpdump shows the connection .. telnet <ip> 80 says connection refused |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | (telnet from another system) |
| 01:10.44 | bkervaski | But works from localhost, just not remote hosts. |
| 01:10.55 | bkervaski | mind boggling |
| 01:11.04 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: what happens when you nmap -sS -p80 <ip>; ? |
| 01:11.30 | bkervaski | 80/tcp closed http |
| 01:11.48 | dondelelcaro | and from the local machine it succeeds, right? |
| 01:11.53 | abrotman | firewall! |
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| 01:11.59 | axolx | hey guys. i just added another NIC to my server and connected a machine to it. however, i cant ping the new machine because i have not added the route to it (the server still goes through the external interface when i try to ping the new machine). can anyone familiar with the `route` command give me a hand? |
| 01:12.17 | dondelelcaro | axolx: is the second NIC on a separate network? |
| 01:12.18 | bkervaski | Open |
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| 01:12.24 | bkervaski | It's not!!! :) :) |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | bkervaski: have you checked for a firewall? :) |
| 01:12.44 | axolx | dondelelcaro: one NIC is 192.168.1.0 and the other new NIC is 192.168.2.0 |
| 01:12.47 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: iptables -L; on that machine returns anything? |
| 01:13.00 | bkervaski | There is no firewall... It's literally on a dumb switch right here in my office |
| 01:13.22 | bkervaski | iptables -L, nothing, empty policies |
| 01:13.32 | vinvin | dondelelcaro: i've taken the sshd config file from the old server, with which ssh server with not even X was allright, now, even with -X it does not work, and the client did not changed. How could that be ? |
| 01:13.35 | dondelelcaro | axolx: then you need to route add -net 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0; although, that's usually done by default. |
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| 01:13.50 | bkervaski | I agree, EVERYTHING points to some kind of port blocking/filtering/firewall/etc |
| 01:14.05 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: and what happens if you plug a crossover cable into the server? |
| 01:14.09 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: and try it that way? |
| 01:14.19 | bkervaski | I'll do it, just a sec... |
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| 01:14.52 | axolx | dondelelcaro: that command returns `SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument` |
| 01:15.21 | dondelelcaro | axolx: you need the device there too |
| 01:15.29 | vinvin | except that the new server is in testing while the previous was unstable |
| 01:15.35 | ry1 | Global Ignore has been Enabled! All incoming messages will be blocked. <BOFHNet IRC Ignore System> |
| 01:15.38 | dondelelcaro | (and it should have been netmask 255.255.255.0;] |
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| 01:16.52 | axolx | dondelelcaro: that worked. thanks :) do i need to run that command every time i reboot the server though? |
| 01:16.57 | bkervaski | Same thing with crossover, here's my ip config: http://pastebin.ca/122974 |
| 01:17.06 | dondelelcaro | axolx: no, you just need to add it to your /etc/network/intefaces |
| 01:17.09 | dondelelcaro | s/inte/inter/ |
| 01:17.16 | beardy | ry1: a real bofh just janks the main cable and remains quiet |
| 01:17.24 | a1fa|64 | stew: hey man |
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| 01:17.48 | a1fa|64 | stew: A chroot environment has been detected, udev not started. |
| 01:18.01 | axolx | dondelelcaro: paste the command just like i ran it? |
| 01:18.02 | a1fa|64 | stew: i dont think i will be able to regenerate initrd |
| 01:18.04 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: well, then something in between those two machines is blocking the packets. Run tcpdump on the server and look for packets destined for port 80 |
| 01:18.25 | bkervaski | I did. They show up normally. It's the weirdest thing ever. |
| 01:18.28 | dondelelcaro | axolx: no, just edit /etc/network/interfaces, and add an iface eth1 inet static line with an address and a netmask |
| 01:18.37 | bkervaski | The connections are being established, just not forwarded to apache or something |
| 01:18.42 | bkervaski | apache works on any other port. |
| 01:18.48 | bkervaski | No, no other apps are using port 80 |
| 01:18.53 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: if the connection was established, telnet would work. |
| 01:19.13 | bkervaski | Not if nothing opens a port... |
| 01:19.19 | bkervaski | i.e., apache, telnetd,e tc |
| 01:19.20 | bkervaski | etc |
| 01:19.31 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: netstat -plunt; will tell you where apache has sockets open. |
| 01:19.34 | axolx | dondelelcaro: i already have that though. im going to try to reboot now and see if it adds the route automatically. brb |
| 01:19.43 | vinvin | debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. |
| 01:19.46 | dondelelcaro | bkervaski: since you can telnet to localhost 80; that's not correct. |
| 01:19.48 | vinvin | this is the answer |
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| 01:19.54 | dondelelcaro | vinvin: you need xbase-clients |
| 01:20.05 | a1fa|64 | stewie stewie stew, where are you, we need some help from you now, steeeewie, stewie stewie stew |
| 01:20.09 | dondelelcaro | axolx: you don't need to reboot. Just ifdown eth1; ifup eth1; |
| 01:20.24 | vinvin | indeed dondelelcaro |
| 01:20.30 | bkervaski | Yep. Shows it on port 80. Still can't connect. |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | a1fa|64: help for what? |
| 01:20.36 | vinvin | thanks |
| 01:20.39 | axolx | dondelelcaro: but i had that declaration before and i did ifdown and ifup and still had to add the route manually |
| 01:20.40 | bkervaski | Here it is: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 10904/apache |
| 01:20.40 | a1fa|64 | Using mkinitrd.yaird to build the ramdisk. |
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| 01:21.00 | a1fa|64 | dpkg-reconfigure is not using initramfs-tools to generate new initrd.. whats up? |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | you can't just ask everyone? you have to badger one person ? |
| 01:21.53 | a1fa|64 | abrotman: i like stew, he is not a dick |
| 01:22.04 | abrotman | a1fa|64: and he might just be busy .. or have you on /ignore :) |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | ry1: did you ever get those working ? |
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| 01:23.01 | axolx | dondelelcaro: ifdown ifup now destroys and creates the route correctly. im happy , ill move on to other things. thanks for your help |
| 01:23.25 | bkervaski | Oh well, going with an alternate port.. heh.. fsck'd |
| 01:23.29 | ry1 | Global Ignore has been Disabled! <BOFHNet IRC Ignore System> |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | bkervaski: i'm still stumped |
| 01:23.39 | blackelf | I am in X session, how to run Xnested window and log in as other user in it? |
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| 01:23.52 | blackelf | or how to switch to other user without closing current session |
| 01:23.58 | bkervaski | Yea. I'd give you a shell but I don't control our corp fw... |
| 01:24.01 | jsan | my friends i use sarge kernel 2.6.8-2-386 i need to install mppe to habilit suport mppe to configure pptpd server with vpn betwen windows and Debian Server or only apt-get install pptpd resolv my problem ? |
| 01:24.17 | bkervaski | Thanks anyway, though. |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:24.26 | a1fa|64 | my initrd is about 4mb.. isnt that not normal |
| 01:26.00 | enouf | bkervaski: just guessing afterwards - could 'portmap' have something to do with this? |
| 01:26.27 | vinvin | /usr/bin/mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
| 01:26.32 | vinvin | where is the password ? |
| 01:26.40 | bkervaski | hrm... How would I check? |
| 01:28.30 | vinvin | ok i found it |
| 01:28.30 | enouf | bkervaski: I should defer to others since networking isn't a strong suit - but could 'man portmap' -- I see I have it running as a result of the netstat -plunt that dondelelcaro posted, but I'm running Apache (though it's installed) |
| 01:28.59 | enouf | I'm NOT running Apache atm...sorry |
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| 01:30.11 | magyar | I am having problems reading a memory stick as a regular user on kde |
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| 01:31.15 | a1fa|64 | how do i tell udev to load firmware |
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| 01:33.22 | abrotman | bkervaski: it really works with a crossover too ? |
| 01:33.23 | bkervaski | No luck w/portmap... |
| 01:33.34 | bkervaski | Thanks, though. No, it dows not work with a crossover. |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | erm .. that's what i emant :) |
| 01:33.53 | bkervaski | Freakin' pissing me off... |
| 01:33.53 | bkervaski | heh |
| 01:34.05 | bkervaski | I'd rebuild it but just don't have the time.. |
| 01:34.29 | enouf | a1fa|64: my initrd.img(s) are about 4MB (all three of them) |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | so nmap shows it closed .. but tcpdump shows it connect? |
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| 01:34.48 | a1fa|64 | enouf: thats big ;) |
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| 01:35.22 | enouf | a1fa|64: these are plain vanilla uncompiled initrds |
| 01:35.27 | bkervaski | tcpdump shows the ack |
| 01:35.55 | abrotman | bkervaski: maybe ask #apache if there's any other reason |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | bkervaski: nothing in init.d or rc2.d? |
| 01:36.21 | bkervaski | Yea, I'll head that way then I give up. Thanks again -- No, nothing out of the ordinary... |
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| 01:36.56 | a1fa|64 | i dont understand udev... |
| 01:37.41 | a1fa|64 | it wont load my firmware |
| 01:38.45 | enouf | bkervaski: another WAG ... look at 'man inetd' and/or various inetX, inet.X man pages - they talk about server-programs a bit |
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| 01:40.33 | jbrimble | i just ran apt-get upgrade and I just realized i was using backports.. So it's getting the latest things that weren't built for sarge.. will this matter? |
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| 01:40.55 | jetscreamer | they're backports still eh |
| 01:41.28 | jbrimble | the backports aren't unstable versions, are they? |
| 01:41.54 | jcreigh | jbrimble: You mean packages from backports.org? |
| 01:41.55 | jetscreamer | they're backported for sarge, afaik so doesn't matter... i'm no backport guru though |
| 01:42.32 | jbrimble | ah, okay. My only fear was that it might cause instability on my server |
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| 01:43.43 | enouf | a1fa|64: pastebin 'locate firmware' |
| 01:44.18 | a1fa|64 | ah |
| 01:44.23 | flounder | xinetd > inetd? |
| 01:44.23 | a1fa|64 | its in hotplug |
| 01:44.25 | a1fa|64 | thats why |
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| 01:45.43 | chab | hi |
| 01:45.48 | chab | anyone alive ? |
| 01:46.16 | ry1 | that depends, did I win the lottery? |
| 01:46.16 | enouf | a1fa|64: that's why I asked for paste -- i also have /lib/udev/firmware.agent and others too |
| 01:46.16 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:46.29 | enouf | !greet chab |
| 01:46.29 | dpkg | Gr33tz, chab |
| 01:46.43 | chab | greetings 2 u 2 enkrypt |
| 01:46.46 | chab | erm enouf |
| 01:46.47 | chab | :) |
| 01:47.01 | chab | well , ive installed debian from a cd |
| 01:47.11 | ry1 | abrotman: do you have an ftp or something? |
| 01:47.14 | chab | but i have no graphic interface |
| 01:47.17 | chab | console only |
| 01:47.23 | ry1 | oh |
| 01:47.35 | abrotman | ry1: yes .. why? |
| 01:47.44 | ry1 | apt-get install x-window-system then apt-get install gnome I believe |
| 01:47.54 | ry1 | abrotman: did the kernel finish? |
| 01:48.00 | chab | ok ry1 , thank u |
| 01:48.04 | abrotman | ry1: yeah .. i'd have to transfer it to another host |
| 01:48.09 | ry1 | ah |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | ry1: it's 111MB :) |
| 01:48.26 | ry1 | yikes, sounds like aa big kernel |
| 01:48.34 | ry1 | does that all go in memory at the same time? |
| 01:48.35 | abrotman | ry1: it's everything .. headers/source/binary |
| 01:48.38 | chab | brb . |
| 01:48.40 | ry1 | ah |
| 01:49.20 | beardy | abrotman: you're the wizard patcher from Philly, or why does he want your tree? |
| 01:49.30 | chab | and how do i install VGA drivers ? |
| 01:49.46 | abrotman | beardy: my poor box spent hours compiling a 2.6 speakup kenrel |
| 01:49.53 | beardy | abrotman: ah |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | ry1: ask me around 1030PM :) |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | maybe 1015 |
| 01:50.20 | ry1 | abrotman: kk :) |
| 01:51.01 | a1fa|64 | anybody know how to start xorg with a pseudo mouse pointer? |
| 01:51.22 | beardy | abrotman: Does it take that long, or is that a slow box? |
| 01:51.36 | ry1 | it was a p 100mhz I believe |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | beardy: it's on a partial T1 .. 768k up/down |
| 01:51.39 | axolx | im generating ssh keys for password-less login. what type do people recommend? RSA2 or DSA2? |
| 01:51.51 | abrotman | beardy: the compiling box was a dual ppro 200 |
| 01:51.59 | beardy | abrotman: The compile I meant. |
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| 01:52.17 | beardy | abrotman: Ok. |
| 01:52.20 | enouf | a1fa|64: no understand |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | beardy: dual ppro 200 .. and used a debian config .. took a really long time :) |
| 01:52.39 | a1fa|64 | enouf: i dont have a mouse connected to my box |
| 01:52.45 | a1fa|64 | enouf: but i need to startx |
| 01:52.49 | a1fa|64 | (xorg) |
| 01:53.02 | enouf | a1fa|64: oh...and um 'startx' |
| 01:53.45 | enouf | a1fa|64: /usr/bin/startx |
| 01:53.58 | beardy | ry1: Are you a regular (which I don't remember) or do you know abrotman, or is abrotman just very nice? |
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| 01:54.12 | ry1 | he's just very nice, though I hope to become a regular |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | beardy: i'm very nice :) |
| 01:54.17 | ry1 | :) |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | beardy: don't tell anyone |
| 01:54.24 | asg | a1fa|64: add Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "True" (to the ServerFlags section of your X config) |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | beardy: or it won't work .. and i'll be very evil |
| 01:54.43 | a1fa|64 | ah.. thats it.. thanks asg |
| 01:54.53 | beardy | abrotman: Heh, I wont. |
| 01:55.17 | ry1 | well abroatman: I tried grml today as well thinking it might serve as it is also debian based, but the grml2hd script still needs some work :) |
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| 01:56.05 | beardy | ry1: So, do you need speakup or just testing it? I have thought about testing it, sometime. |
| 01:56.14 | a1fa|64 | asg: in xorg.conf? |
| 01:56.20 | ry1 | beardy: I am totally blind, I really need it :) |
| 01:56.33 | ry1 | but it is a nasty piece of work to compile :) |
| 01:57.01 | asg | a1fa|64: yes, should be the same as XFree |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | beardy: apparently it's so insecure .. the debian people won't package one |
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| 01:57.26 | ry1 | the speakup kernel branch, yes |
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| 01:57.34 | beardy | ry1: Oh, I see. Have you heard about gnopernicus (if I remember the name correctly) for gnome I guess, or are you going to use console only? |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | ry1: i do hope it works .. |
| 01:57.47 | ry1 | me too :) |
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| 01:58.00 | a1fa|64 | asg: i dont see that section |
| 01:58.00 | ry1 | and thanks for going to such lengths to help me out abrotman, I really appreciate it |
| 01:58.07 | asg | a1fa|64: take a look at xorg.conf(5x) |
| 01:58.22 | asg | a1fa|64: if there isn't a ServerFlags section, just create one |
| 01:58.24 | beardy | rhalff_: I'm not sure that gnopernicus does speech, perhaps it's only magnifying and such things.. |
| 01:58.39 | ry1 | beardy: I am primarily sticking to command line, though gnopurnicus does do speech |
| 01:59.06 | ry1 | linux GUI accessibility isn't that good yet either :) |
| 01:59.12 | beardy | rhalff_: sorry |
| 01:59.37 | ry1 | brb in a few, need food... |
| 01:59.49 | beardy | ry1: No, it probably isn't.. |
| 02:01.10 | beardy | abrotman: But isn't the netinstaller speakup:able? I think I've read that.. |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | beardy: 2.4 only |
| 02:01.28 | beardy | abrotman: oh.. |
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| 02:04.04 | asg | jbrimble: /msg dpkg mail tutorial (first), debian-administration.org (second) |
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| 02:05.42 | DARKGuy | Greetings. Anybody knows a way how to skip the downloading of needed stuff in an Etch installation CD? I have Sarge 3.1, and usually upgrade it to etch, but waiting two hours for the download is like, way much. Overall 'cause I'm still a novice at it and reinstall every now and then. So I downloaded an Etch CD to skip the Sarge upgrade over the net... and the install CD still downloads stuff :( is there a way to not to download anything? |
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| 02:06.29 | beardy | DARKGuy: Buy a sarge cd or dvd set, and run sarge. |
| 02:06.56 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: Yeah, that's pretty much true. Only real way to get Etch easily is over the net. |
| 02:06.57 | DARKGuy | beardy, I want Etch, not Sarge =/ |
| 02:07.14 | Ronin | DARKGuy: so then install it |
| 02:07.20 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: 'course, you could build the system package by package, if you could somehow get people to put them all on media for you... |
| 02:07.24 | goingtomoonbrb | but... |
| 02:07.27 | DARKGuy | goingtomoonbrb, yeah, but what's the use of the Etch install CD then? it still downloads, and I don't want it to download anything >.< |
| 02:07.28 | jbrimble | either buy it or download it. It'd be better to have it local if you'll be installing frequently :P |
| 02:07.40 | goingtomoonbrb | The whole point of Etch is that it's not an official stable distro |
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| 02:07.51 | goingtomoonbrb | It has a rapidly changing repo |
| 02:07.58 | goingtomoonbrb | The core stuff changes constantly |
| 02:08.01 | goingtomoonbrb | Sarge... not so much. |
| 02:08.09 | goingtomoonbrb | THat's why they can produce a full CD set of Sarge and not Etch. |
| 02:08.10 | beardy | No.. |
| 02:08.11 | Ronin | DARKGuy: when you install windows does it install more the first time you connect to the net? |
| 02:08.54 | java_newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.55 | goingtomoonbrb | If they produced a full CD set of Etch, by the time you got the set it'd all be outdated and would have to be updated anyway |
| 02:08.58 | DARKGuy | goingtomoonbrb, yes, I know, but I thought the Etch CD had the ... most actual stuff at least since they builded it, so when you would do apt-upgrade, it would download less :/ |
| 02:09.00 | goingtomoonbrb | that's why it's still "testing" |
| 02:09.02 | Ronin | and etch's real name is testing, remember that |
| 02:09.12 | DARKGuy | Ronin, nope, unless I choose to update manually |
| 02:09.20 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: Everything in Etch changes so often, you'd still be downloading tons. |
| 02:09.32 | goingtomoonbrb | marginal cost would far outweigh marginal benefit :/ |
| 02:09.34 | goingtomoonbrb | ¯\(º_o)/¯ |
| 02:09.46 | beardy | Stable, right now Sarge does not change at all. Stable only gets reviosioned a few times, to collect and fix all eventual security problems. |
| 02:09.48 | DARKGuy | but less than upgrading from a Sarge, Im sure? |
| 02:09.52 | Ronin | DARKGuy: and how big a cd does windows require compared to teh etch install? |
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| 02:10.21 | DARKGuy | Ronin, just one... what's your point? |
| 02:10.30 | a1fa|64 | what is the soundcard binded in udev? |
| 02:10.36 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: Well... I'd upgrade from Sarge if I had stuff I wanted to preserve, and start from an Etch install CD if it was a clean partition. |
| 02:11.08 | Ronin | my point is deal with it, etch changes frequently and you will have to likely do some downloading regardless when you dlthe etch installer |
| 02:11.14 | DARKGuy | goingtomoonbrb, so an Etch CD is like... a Sarge ready for updating in installation time? :/ |
| 02:11.38 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: An etch CD provides an environment in which to download the Etch packages. |
| 02:11.38 | beardy | abrotman: ry1: hope the kernel works fine, goodnight. |
| 02:11.40 | DARKGuy | I know Ronin, but I thought that with the Etch CD I would download less , than upgrading from a Sarge CD :/ |
| 02:11.42 | goingtomoonbrb | Have you ever installed a distro like Gentoo? |
| 02:11.44 | goingtomoonbrb | It works the same way. |
| 02:11.57 | goingtomoonbrb | The installation LiveCD just provides a working environment, a kernal and core packages, in which to build the system. |
| 02:12.04 | Ronin | DARKGuy: now why would you think that? |
| 02:12.13 | goingtomoonbrb | kernel* wtf. |
| 02:12.15 | goingtomoonbrb | ¯|(´v`)|¯ |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | beardy: later |
| 02:12.33 | DARKGuy | Ronin, because Sarge does the same? it gets the packages from the actual CD, instead of downloading them :/ |
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| 02:12.46 | ry1 | abrotman: you leaving? |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | ry1: no .. beardy did |
| 02:13.09 | ry1 | oh, kk :) |
| 02:13.10 | Ronin | DARKGuy: depends on how you install sarge, netinstall, dvd, or the 14 cds, but in any case you'd still have to do updates etc |
| 02:13.17 | goingtomoonbrb | anyway, DARKGuy, that's why the installation CD is so small. |
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| 02:13.26 | goingtomoonbrb | It mostly just provides a framework for installing the meat of the system. |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | ry1: i'm going to msg you the url |
| 02:13.36 | n00rul | does anyone use ThinkPad ? |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | i do |
| 02:13.46 | goingtomoonbrb | With Sarge, the meat of the system is already there, but it has to be all overwritten and upgraded. |
| 02:13.49 | asg | n00rul: tuxmobile.org |
| 02:13.50 | n00rul | my ThinkPads battery is not getting charged properly |
| 02:13.55 | goingtomoonbrb | In either case, tons of upgrading required. |
| 02:14.01 | ry1 | abrotman: kk |
| 02:14.02 | abrotman | n00rul: shocker :) |
| 02:14.06 | Ronin | goingtomoonbrb: indeed |
| 02:14.20 | DARKGuy | Ronin, I know :P - goingtomoonbrb, yes, I wanted to skip that - or at least most of it with an Etch CD... what's the use for a 600 Mb ISO then? it's the same thing as a netinstall :/! |
| 02:14.23 | ry1 | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 02:14.27 | ry1 | Global Ignore has been Enabled! All incoming messages will be blocked. <BOFHNet IRC Ignore System> |
| 02:14.29 | n00rul | IBM provides battery maintenance program for windows |
| 02:14.30 | Ronin | bah |
| 02:14.37 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: The ISO is 600MB? |
| 02:14.39 | abrotman | ry1: now .. i have to tell you .. i'll be shocked if they work :) |
| 02:14.39 | goingtomoonbrb | Hm... |
| 02:14.40 | n00rul | does debian has one? |
| 02:14.47 | goingtomoonbrb | Well, Id unno then. |
| 02:14.51 | DARKGuy | goingtomoonbrb, yes, the Etch 1st CD Beta 2 |
| 02:15.06 | DARKGuy | Or so it says in the site oO |
| 02:15.12 | ry1 | Global Ignore has been Disabled! <BOFHNet IRC Ignore System> |
| 02:15.14 | Ronin | DARKGuy: in the time youve been talking about this you could have been running debian by now |
| 02:15.14 | n00rul | abrotman: shocker? |
| 02:15.17 | goingtomoonbrb | Hm. Do they have a light version of the installation package? |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | n00rul: how old is it ? |
| 02:15.21 | Ronin | ry1: gee thanks for sharing |
| 02:15.21 | goingtomoonbrb | Ronin: agreed |
| 02:15.29 | n00rul | One year old |
| 02:15.33 | ry1 | ronin: sorry about that |
| 02:15.35 | Ronin | heh |
| 02:15.38 | ry1 | need to change that setting |
| 02:15.41 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: windows ftw |
| 02:16.00 | n00rul | But when I was having windows I was able to make it fully charge using a software |
| 02:16.14 | DARKGuy | yeah well... :/ |
| 02:16.32 | n00rul | the software that comes with pre-installed windows on thinkpad |
| 02:16.36 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: well, I'd say... |
| 02:16.39 | abrotman | ry1: fast enough download ? |
| 02:16.45 | DARKGuy | 600 Mb downloaded and a cheap CD lost, for only a netinstall :/ |
| 02:16.53 | goingtomoonbrb | If you already have the Sarge installation CD, install the sarge base and then distupgrade |
| 02:17.03 | ry1 | abrotman: 213 kb a second, not bad, is this right off your box? |
| 02:17.08 | goingtomoonbrb | If you don't, then download the ISO. |
| 02:17.14 | Ronin | DARKGuy: mini cd-rw for a netintall and your done |
| 02:17.17 | DARKGuy | the ISO didn't work -.- |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | ry1: yay for still having a Uni account :) |
| 02:17.21 | a1fa|64 | my audio modules are loaded, but udev didnt get them.. wtf? |
| 02:17.29 | a1fa|64 | ie. i dont have /dev/sound/dsp |
| 02:17.36 | liable | n00rul: check out the archive at linux-thinkpad.org, someone had a problem like this very recently |
| 02:17.40 | n00rul | what about /dev/dsp |
| 02:17.40 | ry1 | abrotman: lol |
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| 02:17.52 | a1fa|64 | n00rul: nope |
| 02:17.57 | abrotman | ry1: i graduated in 2000 .. still have the account |
| 02:18.08 | ry1 | abrotman: nice |
| 02:18.10 | enouf | a1fa|64: no understand again :-( -- poke around in "/proc/asound/card0" if using alsa/oss then 'ls -al' and 'cat' the files - but could also |
| 02:18.12 | asg | abrotman: was it an oversight on their part? |
| 02:18.13 | bvs | yay for having 25Mbit at home :) |
| 02:18.19 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: try http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/amd64/beta1/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:18.24 | ry1 | abrotman: did you do comp sci? |
| 02:18.24 | a1fa|64 | http://pastebin.ca/123020 |
| 02:18.35 | n00rul | liable: it is no more active |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | asg: no .. i used to admin the box (it's a freebsd box now .. i admined it when ti was solaris) |
| 02:18.38 | n00rul | liable: :( |
| 02:18.39 | asg | ry1: he majored in baseball |
| 02:18.45 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | ry1: CIS |
| 02:18.46 | DARKGuy | goingtomoonbrb, that's for AMD64 oO.... I still use 686 xD |
| 02:18.48 | liable | n00rul: what do you mean? the list? |
| 02:18.50 | goingtomoonbrb | Oh |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | asg: it's the ACM server for club accounts |
| 02:18.57 | a1fa|64 | the sound is there |
| 02:18.57 | DARKGuy | but I shall check :O |
| 02:18.59 | n00rul | liable: no the site |
| 02:19.01 | asg | abrotman: naughty |
| 02:19.02 | goingtomoonbrb | well, s/i386/amd64 |
| 02:19.04 | a1fa|64 | udev didnt map it to sound |
| 02:19.11 | liable | n00rul: yes it is, i was there this morning :) |
| 02:19.18 | DARKGuy | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ <- aw, empty |
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| 02:19.20 | abrotman | asg: it used to be fun .. then some idiot decided that "Anyone can admin a solaris box .. we should use fbsd" |
| 02:19.25 | DARKGuy | oO oki |
| 02:19.44 | n00rul | liable: is that list maintained somewhere else? |
| 02:19.51 | liable | n00rul: http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/ |
| 02:19.54 | enouf | a1fa|64: I have /dev/sndstat which is a link to-> /proc/asound/oss/sndstat -- and try /dev/snd then ls -al |
| 02:20.07 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:20.18 | goingtomoonbrb | they have a listing for a testing minimal ISO @100-150MB |
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| 02:20.29 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 02:20.34 | a1fa|64 | same here |
| 02:20.47 | a1fa|64 | enouf: what are you piping your sound to? |
| 02:20.47 | DARKGuy | Exactly |
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| 02:20.50 | DARKGuy | I used this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 02:21.10 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: That ISO is for the first disk of the full system snapshot |
| 02:21.14 | a1fa|64 | Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG |
| 02:21.15 | goingtomoonbrb | All of the available packages :/ |
| 02:21.26 | goingtomoonbrb | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso. |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | ry1: get it yet? |
| 02:21.35 | goingtomoonbrb | netinst.iso ftw |
| 02:21.41 | ry1 | abrotman: 80% |
| 02:22.00 | Ronin | that disk will get you up and running with an x system DARKGuy, anything else you want + updates will have to be installed afterwards, i meant the url you pasted DARKGuy |
| 02:22.03 | ry1 | it's holding steady at 209 |
| 02:22.03 | enouf | a1fa|64: AudioPCI I guess ;-) -- where are you getting that Audio error from ? |
| 02:22.10 | ry1 | :) |
| 02:22.26 | DARKGuy | Yes Ronin , that's what I thought it would do |
| 02:22.28 | a1fa|64 | sndstat |
| 02:22.30 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: In order to not have to do a net install, you'd probably need the whole 14-CD set. |
| 02:22.32 | DARKGuy | and exactly what I want |
| 02:22.40 | DARKGuy | :/ |
| 02:22.41 | Ronin | DARKGuy: but you will have to do updates etc. |
| 02:22.46 | ry1 | dark guy: do you have a dvd drive? |
| 02:22.51 | DARKGuy | Ronin, but I wouldn't be running a Sarge :P |
| 02:22.52 | goingtomoonbrb | Ronin: |
| 02:22.55 | DARKGuy | no ry1 , I wish |
| 02:23.02 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso. |
| 02:23.06 | goingtomoonbrb | netinst ftw |
| 02:23.11 | goingtomoonbrb | 100MB size |
| 02:23.12 | Ronin | DARKGuy: nothing wrong with sarge |
| 02:23.21 | goingtomoonbrb | Ronin: I like xorg better :/ |
| 02:23.28 | ry1 | dark guy: why would you want to run etch if you're a nix newbie? it's way unstable |
| 02:23.28 | asg | goingtomoonbrb: there are backports |
| 02:23.28 | Ronin | goingtomoonbrb: backports? |
| 02:23.32 | goingtomoonbrb | and the newer versions of FF, Opera, and Flux just feel cleaner. |
| 02:23.40 | goingtomoonbrb | asg: Ronin: too much work |
| 02:23.41 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm lazy. |
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| 02:23.44 | ry1 | abrotman: done |
| 02:23.49 | DARKGuy | for the same reasons goingtomoonbrb just wrote :P |
| 02:23.49 | goingtomoonbrb | And then you have dependency issues |
| 02:23.49 | enouf | a1fa|64: for comparison see http://pastebin.ca/123024 |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | ry1: yay |
| 02:23.56 | Ronin | goingtomoonbrb: heh, but do we really want what appears to be a newbie on testing? |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | ry1: promise you won't kill me if it dies a horrible death ? |
| 02:24.06 | goingtomoonbrb | ry1: That's true, I have stuff broken by Testing on monthly basises |
| 02:24.06 | asg | goingtomoonbrb: so you're going to run something that could break at any time? |
| 02:24.09 | goingtomoonbrb | BugZilla is my friend. |
| 02:24.13 | goingtomoonbrb | Ronin: THat's true. |
| 02:24.24 | goingtomoonbrb | asg: Pretty much. But then I have fun fixing it, that's half hte fun. |
| 02:24.25 | ry1 | abrotman: promise |
| 02:24.25 | a1fa|64 | ok its back |
| 02:24.26 | a1fa|64 | : |
| 02:24.27 | ry1 | :) |
| 02:24.36 | goingtomoonbrb | Last month I was using KDE because an update broke XDM >.> |
| 02:24.39 | DARKGuy | Sarge feels kinda old, and doesn't let me use the newer stuff... it's like, being using 98' when there's XP around :/ |
| 02:24.42 | ry1 | I've already had some kernels die pretty spectaculaly |
| 02:24.55 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: True. Though, if you are an ultra-noob, start with Ubuntu |
| 02:24.58 | Ronin | DARKGuy: not the best comparrison ive ever seen |
| 02:25.00 | asg | goingtomoonbrb: not really for the lazy though |
| 02:25.01 | goingtomoonbrb | And if you have some experienced, get used to Sarge |
| 02:25.05 | goingtomoonbrb | and then dist-upgrade |
| 02:25.11 | ry1 | untarring :) |
| 02:25.14 | goingtomoonbrb | asg: Eh. True. |
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| 02:25.28 | goingtomoonbrb | some experience* |
| 02:25.37 | goingtomoonbrb | Man, I need to get to bed. |
| 02:25.38 | goingtomoonbrb | Peace. |
| 02:25.44 | DARKGuy | Alriiiiiiight so there's no way to skip dist-upgrade, right? No matter if I download the 14-CD-Etch, it'll still download stuff from the net :/ right? |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | to the moon ? |
| 02:25.46 | ry1 | abrotman: I install all of these debs? |
| 02:25.52 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: True. |
| 02:26.01 | goingtomoonbrb | This used to be my away nick, but it just kinda morphed into my primary. |
| 02:26.01 | Ronin | DARKGuy: of course you'll have to dl after you install |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | ry1: only the ones you want .. one is the kernel .. one is the headers .. one is the source .. uhm .. i don't know the other .. probably modules :) |
| 02:26.10 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: Pretty much. |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | ry1: let me check |
| 02:26.13 | DARKGuy | Yes, after, not on the install :/ |
| 02:26.20 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: Heck, just get the 14 CD set of Sarge |
| 02:26.21 | goingtomoonbrb | :/ |
| 02:26.28 | DARKGuy | Like if I had the HD space -.- |
| 02:26.29 | ry1 | kernel-doc |
| 02:26.29 | Ronin | DARKGuy: depends on what you pick to install, heck go dl the bloody dvd |
| 02:26.31 | goingtomoonbrb | Then dist-upgrade once you're comfortable |
| 02:26.35 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: You don't have to pu tit all on |
| 02:26.42 | goingtomoonbrb | it just requests CDs as needed |
| 02:26.46 | abrotman | ry1: oh .. last is kernel-doc .. who needs docs?! |
| 02:26.46 | Ronin | goingtomoonbrb: cant even install it all |
| 02:26.53 | goingtomoonbrb | Ronin: Exactly] |
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| 02:27.04 | goingtomoonbrb | ACK I'M STILL NOT IN BED |
| 02:27.05 | enouf | a1fa|64: Oh yeah ?? I was going to say just sub your x810 in place of my es1371 and they're both basically the same (i have sequencer, gameport and midi support) |
| 02:27.07 | goingtomoonbrb | ¯|(´v`)|¯ |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | a dying spider? |
| 02:27.18 | goingtomoonbrb | ¯\(º_o)/¯ |
| 02:27.33 | Ronin | abrotman: dont know, im obviously too old to understand it |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | Ronin: i got lost at ~ |
| 02:28.13 | goingtomoonbrb | 17 year olds believing themselves to be l33t Lunix users, sad. |
| 02:28.18 | abrotman | oh wait .. it's a stupid weird dash |
| 02:28.22 | goingtomoonbrb | AKA, me >.> |
| 02:28.26 | Ronin | goingtomoonbrb: then im way way way to old to get it |
| 02:28.28 | goingtomoonbrb | ACK STILL NOT IN BED. |
| 02:28.30 | tuv | i used to download the dvds and keep them on external disk and mount them when installing for my offline systems |
| 02:28.31 | goingtomoonbrb | :3 |
| 02:28.33 | abrotman | SO GO ALREADY |
| 02:28.45 | goingtomoonbrb | Nah, I act like I know something, but then I have people like abrotman still explaining the basics to me. |
| 02:28.53 | DARKGuy | Oh well, guess I'm moving to slackware, or Ubuntu, or something... new, so I don't have to wait tons of hours just to have some X running that lets me install actual stuff. (AKA WINE, Opera, FF, drivers, etc.) |
| 02:28.56 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: seriously :/ |
| 02:29.16 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: Don't go to Ubuntu, it has serious hardware issues with a ton of hardware. |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | opera isn't in debian |
| 02:29.21 | DARKGuy | Ouch. |
| 02:29.26 | goingtomoonbrb | abrotman: correct |
| 02:29.37 | goingtomoonbrb | DARKGuy: If you want to get a lot of experience, really fast, install Gentoo |
| 02:29.43 | ry1 | alrighty abrotman: rebooting now, but I've got dependency problems with the sources |
| 02:29.49 | goingtomoonbrb | Be prepared to be frustrated as a noobie though :3 |
| 02:29.49 | abrotman | DARKGuy: it's a closed source app |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | ry1: you do ? |
| 02:29.59 | tuv | debian provides best support for offline systems with its comprehensive cds/dvds |
| 02:30.01 | abrotman | ry1: apt-get -f install |
| 02:30.10 | abrotman | ry1: i built those on a pure sarge box |
| 02:30.21 | DARKGuy | Alright, shall try then... :P thanks you all ^^... |
| 02:31.28 | blackelf | if it save to remove rm -rf /tmp on each boot? |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | the system does it for you .. roughly |
| 02:32.05 | ry1 | okay, here goes nothing, I forgot to install bzip2 |
| 02:32.09 | ry1 | :) |
| 02:32.16 | blackelf | abrotman: so I can encrypt /tmp with RANDOM hash, same as swap partition? |
| 02:32.33 | abrotman | eh .. doubtful |
| 02:32.55 | blackelf | abrotman: so I can not..? |
| 02:33.15 | abrotman | blackelf: i'm saying ... i wouldn't try it .. but you're welcome to :) |
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| 02:34.48 | ry1 | abrotman: it doesn't even talk to me |
| 02:34.57 | ry1 | but thanks for trying :) |
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| 02:35.26 | abrotman | ry1: but but .. i did it right! ... i followed the instructions! |
| 02:35.40 | ry1 | I know, maybe it was the initrd? |
| 02:35.47 | ry1 | I waited a good minute |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | it could be .. but i built them in |
| 02:35.48 | ry1 | though |
| 02:35.52 | ry1 | hmmm |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | i built the talking part in |
| 02:36.05 | ry1 | I know :) |
| 02:36.16 | ry1 | it might not talk if default speech wasn't configured though |
| 02:36.39 | ry1 | but it sounds to me like nothing has loaded, not even the hdd |
| 02:36.49 | ry1 | as in, it's probably stuck right after grub |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | i set it to dectlk |
| 02:37.09 | ry1 | hmmm |
| 02:37.13 | ry1 | must be the initrd then |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | did you get the initrd-tools that it needs? |
| 02:37.32 | ry1 | oh jees, sarge doesn't come with those eh? |
| 02:37.37 | ry1 | let me get them |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | not for 2.4 |
| 02:38.10 | ry1 | hrm, forgot about that |
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| 02:42.13 | abrotman | still no luck eh ? |
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| 02:49.00 | ry1 | abrotman: gotta reinstall and try this again... grub seems to have stopped responding :) |
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| 02:49.13 | abrotman | ry1: ack! .. sorry |
| 02:49.17 | ry1 | no prob |
| 02:49.22 | ry1 | none at all |
| 02:49.25 | ry1 | ooo, got it |
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| 02:49.41 | ry1 | alright, got my old kernel back |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:49.50 | ry1 | had to hit down arrow twice |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | so even with initrd-tools .. no luck ? |
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| 02:50.15 | ry1 | now, do I apt-get install initrd-tools or do I have to remove all the packages first |
| 02:50.27 | ry1 | abrotman: haven't tried yet, had to boot first :) |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:50.51 | ry1 | abrotman: so I can just load initrd tools or do I have to reinstall all the packages |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | ry1: type `apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686` .. and see what it asks for .. then install that |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | of course .. this could knacker the whole box |
| 02:51.59 | designdream | are kernel images discouraged vs compiles? |
| 02:52.04 | stoned | wow |
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| 02:52.14 | ry1 | abrotman: it only says kernel-image, no other packages |
| 02:52.18 | stoned | I recently got made fun of for being a Debian user |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | designdream: we would tell you to use debian kernel images where possible |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | ry1: well .. then i completely fucked up somehow .. apologies |
| 02:52.51 | ry1 | abrotman: no prob, don't feel bad, I love you for trying :) |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | ry1: maybe i'll double check and try again tomorrow at work |
| 02:53.22 | ry1 | that would be awsome, thanks :) |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | depends how busy i am tomorrow :) |
| 02:53.50 | stoned | lol |
| 02:53.59 | stoned | whats your profile man |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | what do you think? |
| 02:54.16 | stoned | well .. I.. |
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| 02:54.29 | stoned | you're almost a dick :/ |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | i'm honestly listening to a band called Cat Power covering (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction |
| 02:54.35 | designdream | stoned : why did who make fun of debian? |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | stoned: oh come on .. how hard do you think i made it |
| 02:54.45 | grendal_prime | i got this new phone...treo 650 |
| 02:54.51 | stoned | abrotman, hehe |
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| 02:55.10 | grendal_prime | anyone else have one of these |
| 02:55.22 | ry1 | abrotman: either apt is looking on my hdd, or 2.6.8 image and headers are available in the sarge archive? |
| 02:55.30 | ry1 | speakup |
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| 02:55.53 | abrotman | ry1: the tar.gz you downloaded had those headers |
| 02:56.01 | stoned | designdream, it was in #doomsday, I went in to get some support on compiling debian packages and loading glx and some guy in there started making fun of me and was very insulting due to the fact that I am a debian user |
| 02:56.03 | ry1 | oh, so it was looking on my hdd |
| 02:56.08 | chino[dev] | do i have to run a command to read the changes in /etc/aliases for exim4 |
| 02:56.08 | chino[dev] | / |
| 02:56.09 | ry1 | damn |
| 02:57.11 | abrotman | newaliases probably |
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| 02:57.52 | gravity | stoned: And you care because...? |
| 02:58.03 | stoned | I don't, I was sharing |
| 02:58.10 | gravity | Ok |
| 02:58.14 | nemo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Airplane_vortex_edit.jpg <-- when the debian logo invades reality |
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| 02:58.37 | stoned | some moron online isn't going to change my opinion of my OS |
| 03:01.06 | abrotman | i keep saying that about you |
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| 03:01.46 | stoned | what? why? |
| 03:02.44 | stoned | yes |
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| 03:03.01 | stoned | thank you |
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| 03:07.16 | abrotman | stoned: i hope you're laughing! |
| 03:08.08 | stoned | I was |
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| 03:09.00 | predder | I have a hdd here with 3 partitions, the first being /boot, the second with an install of debian on it. |
| 03:09.22 | predder | Can I install debian on the third partition and then use grub to choose which one to boot? |
| 03:09.26 | tuv | can someone direct me to a useful comparison between xen and vserver (and uml while there)? |
| 03:09.57 | tuv | predder, why not? |
| 03:10.17 | karma | hey, I just installed a previously external (dismantled) hd (Seagate ST3300631A) for the purpose of extra storage, but it's giving me a lot of problems, including operating slowly and in bursts, and it slows my computer's progress in turning on by giving "hda: lost interrupt" warnings. Is there any program of sorts that I can use to scan the hd for any damaged areas? and how can I get read of the "hda:lost interrupt"? using test |
| 03:10.18 | karma | ing btw |
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| 03:10.52 | predder | tuv, I assume I can. I'm just a bit hazy as to if I would make the same /boot for both drives or a seperate one |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | badblocks ? |
| 03:11.03 | predder | for both operating systems sorry, not both drives |
| 03:11.21 | tuv | predder, i don't think this is a good idea (shared /boot) |
| 03:11.46 | tuv | predder, e.g. if you upgrade your kernel on one installation the second might get unbootable |
| 03:12.12 | predder | hrmm ok. So I should just make the disk 2 partitions and install the OS on each one? |
| 03:12.24 | predder | I'm sure grub will figure it out during the install |
| 03:12.26 | tuv | predder, but you can always chroot to switch between the two installations.. no need to reboot as far as i can tell |
| 03:13.23 | predder | karma, what you need is on the seagate website. It's a standalone bootable cd that runs a diagnostic test on your drive |
| 03:13.26 | tuv | predder, you can create as many partitions as you please.. don't forget the swap too. one swap should do for both though |
| 03:13.40 | predder | karma: it'll take around an hour and will tell you if your drive is ok or not |
| 03:13.44 | karma | predder: thanks! |
| 03:14.48 | abrotman | stoned: did you find it? |
| 03:14.55 | predder | thanks tuv |
| 03:15.11 | stoned | yes |
| 03:15.14 | stoned | it was funny |
| 03:15.22 | abrotman | stoned: i meant my profile |
| 03:15.28 | stoned | yes |
| 03:15.30 | stoned | funny |
| 03:15.31 | abrotman | it's funny? |
| 03:15.33 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:15.36 | stoned | I dunno |
| 03:15.50 | abrotman | ok .. well then |
| 03:15.56 | abrotman | no more crack for you |
| 03:16.02 | stoned | lol |
| 03:16.13 | stoned | I haven't even visited yet |
| 03:16.15 | stoned | hold on |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | you don't have to |
| 03:16.28 | tuv | can someone direct me to a useful comparison between xen and vserver (and uml while there)? |
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| 03:16.53 | stoned | you are old |
| 03:17.12 | stoned | I picked up a book on uml once |
| 03:17.35 | tuv | i mean why would someone use xen and not vserver or vice versa? |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | stoned: i told you i was old .. ffs .. what do youwant |
| 03:17.47 | stoned | you're old. |
| 03:17.57 | stoned | granpa |
| 03:17.58 | stoned | hahaha |
| 03:18.03 | stoned | j/k |
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| 03:18.45 | stoned | mine looks a bit more umm.. stranger |
| 03:18.54 | stoned | http://www.last.fm/user/Nyle |
| 03:19.01 | dbindner_ | tuv: don't forget qemu I suppose. |
| 03:19.24 | tuv | i probably can tell the difference between them an qemu |
| 03:19.48 | tuv | and* |
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| 03:20.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:20.11 | dbindner_ | Well, I'm thinking it depends on what you want to do. It might be the right solution. |
| 03:20.20 | abrotman | stoned: i don't use it all that often |
| 03:20.35 | stoned | I noticed |
| 03:20.46 | stoned | still using Quodlibet |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | no .. i'm using the lastfm package |
| 03:21.05 | stoned | ah |
| 03:21.12 | abrotman | i'm actually streaming it |
| 03:21.18 | tuv | dbindner_, right now i want to know the difference between xen and vserver :) |
| 03:21.29 | tuv | for no particular use case |
| 03:21.40 | stoned | abrotman, why are you still up? |
| 03:21.46 | stoned | don't you have work tomorrow, go to bed. |
| 03:21.55 | tuv | dbindner_, i do use qemu when i need a virtual machine since it involves no hassle |
| 03:21.55 | abrotman | baseball! |
| 03:22.07 | abrotman | i'm waiting for the sox to lose .. to kansas city .. |
| 03:22.21 | bronze | Hey! |
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| 03:22.43 | abrotman | hey? |
| 03:23.02 | abrotman | bronze: oh come on .. they used seanez .. they already gave up |
| 03:23.04 | bronze | whats the score |
| 03:23.09 | abrotman | 6-4 |
| 03:23.14 | bronze | eek |
| 03:23.14 | abrotman | bottom of the eigth |
| 03:23.15 | stoned | word |
| 03:23.21 | stoned | I like cricket |
| 03:23.24 | stoned | I never got into baseball |
| 03:23.27 | dbindner_ | I had a student worker that looked into these things for me, unfortunately he's more the expert. From the Wikipedia page, it looks like vserver is more like a heavy-duty chroot. You run several systems under the same kernel, but they are carefully isolated. |
| 03:23.40 | abrotman | bronze: top of the lineup due up in the 9thy |
| 03:23.54 | abrotman | and here they come ... |
| 03:23.56 | bronze | oh big Papi save us! |
| 03:24.15 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 03:24.20 | abrotman | he already homered once |
| 03:24.26 | bronze | my god, radio narration of baseball over irc..... what hath man wrought |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | and someone has to get on in front of him |
| 03:24.28 | dbindner_ | My experience with Xen (and again my student is more expert) is that you can run different kernels inside your "main" kernel because there is some virtualization. |
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| 03:25.49 | dbindner_ | My interest was in partitioning a web server for different student organizations so it would be difficult for any one group to break things for the others. I'd have gone with Xen or VServer, since both could do that, but neither was quite there for us. I'd be happier not patching kernels (not that we couldn't but it's something you have to keep up with then). |
| 03:25.50 | IndridCold | hi |
| 03:26.30 | IndridCold | noobie here, just wondering how I search a remote package repository for a package using apt ... |
| 03:26.41 | IndridCold | when I use apt-cache search it just looks locally |
| 03:26.57 | dbindner_ | My sense is that UML has lost momentum. I'd like some group to turn out clearly superior and grab mindshare. |
| 03:27.05 | abrotman | if it's in your sources .. you can search it that way .. otherwise .. grab the packages file .. and start searching :) |
| 03:27.08 | stoned | IndridCold, add the repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update, then apt-cache search |
| 03:27.23 | IndridCold | okay thanks |
| 03:27.29 | stoned | !tell IndridCold -about search |
| 03:27.29 | abrotman | bronze: and there you go ... they walked crisp ... |
| 03:27.49 | bronze | and papi can hit in the clutch..... |
| 03:28.01 | abrotman | so i've heard |
| 03:28.02 | bronze | I gfotta watch. |
| 03:28.07 | bronze | cya! |
| 03:28.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:28.16 | abrotman | i wish i could |
| 03:28.25 | tuv | dbindner_, thanks for the info |
| 03:28.42 | IndridCold | brilliant! that worked |
| 03:28.45 | IndridCold | thank you :} |
| 03:28.58 | dbindner_ | I'd say try them out. My vague memory is that my student was particularly impressed with VServer. |
| 03:30.04 | abrotman | you only have one? |
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| 03:30.51 | abrotman | !tell pyrohotdog about root |
| 03:32.15 | bucky | dbindner_: if you don't mind staying with the sarge kernel version OpenVZ is available |
| 03:32.19 | bucky | http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian |
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| 03:33.40 | dbindner_ | I do run Sarge. I don't think I was aware of OpenVZ. |
| 03:34.39 | p3rti | rafero?? where are you? |
| 03:35.03 | abrotman | on irc? |
| 03:35.03 | bucky | dbindner_: Debian Linux Adopts OpenVZ Virtualization Software |
| 03:35.03 | bucky | http://openvz.org/news/announcements/debian-20060803 |
| 03:35.03 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.30 | abrotman | just one more! |
| 03:35.37 | rafero | what's up p3rti |
| 03:35.51 | n00rul | liable: I am tired of searching |
| 03:36.08 | liable | n00rul: didnt find it? |
| 03:36.14 | n00rul | liable: I think I need to use some IBM diagonostic tool to test my machine |
| 03:36.32 | dbindner_ | Thanks for the tip. That'll be something to look into this fall. |
| 03:36.40 | n00rul | liable: one more option is that I can use someone else IBM ThinkPad and run the IBM software on their machine |
| 03:36.41 | bucky | looks good |
| 03:36.45 | n00rul | liable: what you say |
| 03:36.51 | liable | n00rul: still have the thinkvantage partition thing? |
| 03:36.58 | n00rul | liable: nope ;) |
| 03:37.08 | p3rti | rafero, how it's your debian? |
| 03:37.14 | n00rul | liable: I never though that i will ne in need of it |
| 03:37.23 | n00rul | liable: Sarge + FreeBSD |
| 03:37.50 | n00rul | liable: is what left on my HDD |
| 03:37.50 | liable | n00rul: yeah, i know what you mean. is it still under waaranty? |
| 03:37.50 | n00rul | liable: yeah |
| 03:37.58 | n00rul | liable: 3 years warranty |
| 03:38.02 | n00rul | liable: just one year old |
| 03:38.04 | liable | n00rul: it charges in windows ok you say though? |
| 03:38.14 | liable | oh, no.. |
| 03:38.15 | liable | nm |
| 03:38.19 | n00rul | liable: it charged in windows |
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| 03:38.29 | abrotman | oh ... wait . not today .. whatever |
| 03:38.33 | liable | n00rul: oh, you still got windows? |
| 03:38.37 | off | is there a shoutcast-like program for debian? |
| 03:38.42 | abrotman | icecast ? |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | mpd ? |
| 03:38.52 | n00rul | liable: why I am saying this is when i initially installed linux, I was having windows |
| 03:38.58 | off | hmm |
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| 03:39.04 | n00rul | liable: I noticed in linux that battery life is less |
| 03:39.19 | simonrvn | im having windows too, but for breakfast |
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| 03:39.26 | liable | n00rul: thats normal without some heavy tweaking and luck |
| 03:39.32 | n00rul | liable: I used the s/w in windows to do the maintenance. what it does is being on AC it discharged and charged |
| 03:39.56 | liable | n00rul: have you checked out the tp_smapi page on thinkwiki? |
| 03:39.57 | n00rul | liable: then I went into linux to see the improvement |
| 03:40.09 | n00rul | liable: then again slowly it reduced |
| 03:40.16 | n00rul | liable: that is a pain |
| 03:40.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: you shouldn't eat glass |
| 03:40.51 | liable | n00rul: mail the list, the author of tp-smapi answers there a lot. |
| 03:40.52 | off | abrotman: let's say you have icecast-server running, is it possible to stream it with winamp/wmp ? |
| 03:40.56 | simonrvn | no, just wiping from them is fine. otherwise they stick in my teeth |
| 03:41.04 | abrotman | off: no idea .. never done it .. don't see why not |
| 03:41.12 | simonrvn | all those sharp edges stick easily |
| 03:41.16 | liable | n00rul: he's pretty good with battery stuff |
| 03:41.17 | simonrvn | see you abrotman |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | farkin sox |
| 03:41.38 | n00rul | why so much complication |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | later simonrvn |
| 03:41.54 | stoned | later |
| 03:41.55 | rafero | p3rti, my debian its a SO that a friend installme bad |
| 03:42.04 | stoned | hey simon |
| 03:42.10 | simonrvn | hey stoned |
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| 03:42.22 | stoned | windows for breakfast? |
| 03:42.45 | liable | musta had the munchies baaad :) |
| 03:45.24 | simonrvn | yeh, i was *really* hungry |
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| 03:47.12 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
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| 03:49.29 | off | how can i install "Xmms::Perl" with cpan? |
| 03:49.39 | off | just "install Xmms::Perl" ? |
| 03:49.59 | dondelelcaro | off: install dh-make-perl; then dh-make-perl --build --cpan Xmms::Perl; then dpkg -i the resultant deb. |
| 03:50.18 | nima | when adding an interface, i just have to add it to /etc/interfaces, and restart networking? |
| 03:50.43 | designdream | how do i turn off bitchx join notices? |
| 03:50.43 | dondelelcaro | nima: /etc/network/interfaces, and you just have to ifup foointerfacename; |
| 03:51.05 | dondelelcaro | designdream: consider using irssi instead; there it's just /ignore #foochannel JOINS |
| 03:51.13 | dondelelcaro | (and you probably want PARTS QUITS as well) |
| 03:51.40 | dbindner_ | tuv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
| 03:52.08 | farous | where can i specify blacklisted modules |
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| 03:52.22 | dondelelcaro | farous: in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist iirc. |
| 03:52.26 | farous | thanx |
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| 03:53.07 | designdream | .clear |
| 03:53.40 | nima | dondelelcaro, eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 03:53.59 | dondelelcaro | nima: does eth1 show up when you ifconfig -a? |
| 03:54.25 | designdream | dondelelcaro : i am on cell phone and mistyped on tiny thumb board.. thanks for the donation though |
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| 03:54.40 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 03:54.46 | nima | dondelelcaro, no |
| 03:55.10 | dondelelcaro | nima: well, you'll have to load the module for eth1 or otherwise get the system to see it before ifupdown can do anything |
| 03:55.31 | S2AnGeL | hey whats the consol command to view whats plugged into the usb |
| 03:55.48 | gravity | S2AnGeL: lsusb |
| 03:56.15 | S2AnGeL | ugh lol of course |
| 03:56.21 | gravity | :-) |
| 03:56.32 | gravity | heh |
| 03:56.33 | simonrvn | hi gravity ;) |
| 03:56.38 | gravity | Hiya simonrvn |
| 03:56.45 | dondelelcaro | !beer gravity |
| 03:56.46 | simonrvn | doing ok buddy? |
| 03:56.52 | dondelelcaro | hrm... no hefeweizen today |
| 03:57.04 | simonrvn | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 03:57.13 | simonrvn | no such luck |
| 03:57.14 | gravity | simonrvn: Yeah, doing pretty well. Xorg is moving again, which is a nice feeling. Personal life going well too, so all seems to be well. How about you? |
| 03:57.24 | dondelelcaro | mmm... going to have to find someone who actually has dogfishhead around here |
| 03:57.33 | gravity | I must be the only beer lover who doesn't like IPA's |
| 03:57.41 | gravity | dondelelcaro: You can't get it? That's a shame |
| 03:58.21 | gravity | It just means you have to come back to Boston :-) |
| 03:58.23 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 03:58.30 | simonrvn | ooh good to hear life is treating you well. doing awesome, always busy with the music, out of town, getting fresh air, meeting good people |
| 03:58.46 | dondelelcaro | well, if I go anywhere for beers, I'll go back to rochester, new york... there's a place there which has cases of jev.er |
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| 03:58.50 | dondelelcaro | s/\.// |
| 03:58.55 | gravity | simonrvn: Very cool |
| 03:59.08 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Never heard of jever |
| 03:59.19 | simonrvn | our group might be heading for tyendinaga and golden lake. depends on the drum carrier |
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| 03:59.59 | hacosta | is there a way to know which module loaded a device in /dev |
| 04:00.34 | terminal|afk | modprobe |
| 04:00.35 | simonrvn | running strings on the module, or checking the source? |
| 04:00.40 | designdream | dondelelcaro : so what personal pro vs cons are there with irssi/ |
| 04:00.46 | simonrvn | oh, modinfo might help too |
| 04:00.52 | dondelelcaro | designdream: it's the best console irc client, period. |
| 04:00.53 | ry1 | laters yall |
| 04:01.07 | simonrvn | who's yall? |
| 04:01.20 | designdream | dondelelcaro nuff said... apt-get now |
| 04:01.29 | dondelelcaro | y'all? |
| 04:01.38 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:02.48 | simonrvn | singing your heart out can do wonders for your whole being |
| 04:03.00 | terminal|afk | debian's apt is awesome |
| 04:03.06 | terminal|afk | the package quality is amazing |
| 04:03.21 | simonrvn | high standards |
| 04:03.31 | unix_infidel | i enjoy the integration and seamlessless the most. |
| 04:03.40 | unix_infidel | you cant find that with distro's like archlinux. |
| 04:04.06 | simonrvn | it's like a glass of fresh clean spring water |
| 04:04.46 | unix_infidel | meh, i just drink it dude. |
| 04:04.56 | unix_infidel | i dont sit there and call it nonsensical adjectives. |
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| 04:05.10 | gravity | simonrvn: :-) |
| 04:05.28 | simonrvn | unix_infidel: parse error |
| 04:05.28 | terminal|afk | yeah the high standards thing is really the clincher to why debian is so nice |
| 04:06.12 | unix_infidel | we all make water naturally. |
| 04:06.21 | unix_infidel | we just tend to require more than we make. |
| 04:06.31 | simonrvn | smoothness, seamless integration... |
| 04:06.43 | simonrvn | bah, no sense of imgination ;p |
| 04:06.51 | Jenkens | tired |
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| 04:08.17 | IndridCold | hi |
| 04:08.25 | IndridCold | how do I move a bunch of files and folders so that they append the contents of folders already existing in the destination? |
| 04:08.31 | IndridCold | i know the mv command |
| 04:08.35 | IndridCold | tried using it with -u |
| 04:08.43 | IndridCold | but it refuses to merge my folders |
| 04:09.27 | terminal|afk | perhaps a combinations of commands in a nifty bash script would do the trick |
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| 04:14.06 | dondelelcaro | IndridCold: use rsync or tar, then delete the original location. |
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| 04:15.03 | chino[dev] | dude guys common im serious there is still apache directories and stuff all over teh place i remember the bot had a thing that it told you how to completely remove everything |
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| 04:15.26 | dondelelcaro | ? |
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| 04:15.47 | eugman | Hey, is it possible to make a debian livecd that is just cli stuff? |
| 04:16.00 | dondelelcaro | eugman: yes, but AFAIK, no one has done it. |
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| 04:16.20 | eugman | Would it be that hard? |
| 04:16.25 | stylus | I'm running debian in coLinux but can't compile anything yet. What apt-get's should I do for C compilers and other building tools? |
| 04:16.36 | chino[dev] | dude im really starting to hate the package manager |
| 04:17.15 | chino[dev] | why would php4 depend on libapache-mod-php4 what if you just use php outside of apache |
| 04:17.17 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: it would help if you'd actually ask a question. |
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| 04:17.32 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: install php4-cli then. |
| 04:17.45 | chino[dev] | i just wnat to completely remove apache |
| 04:17.45 | terminal|afk | chino[dev], apt-cache search php4 it |
| 04:17.52 | chino[dev] | i dont want php |
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| 04:18.22 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: then remove and/or purge php. |
| 04:18.32 | chino[dev] | how do i remoeve something and cause all things that depend on it to be removed too |
| 04:18.45 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: just go apt-get --purge remove apache-common; FE. |
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| 04:19.14 | chino[dev] | the bot in here had a whole explanation on how to get rid of it |
| 04:19.22 | vulture | that won't remove implicitly installed packages of coures (things apache depends on, but don't depend on apache..) |
| 04:19.41 | terminal|afk | vulture, that makes sense |
| 04:19.49 | chino[dev] | who is the bot ? |
| 04:19.57 | chino[dev] | `talk to me bot |
| 04:20.05 | terminal|afk | because if it removed apache and you had apps that needed it it would bork a lot of things |
| 04:20.06 | terminal|afk | i hate that |
| 04:20.24 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: I already gave you the answer. |
| 04:20.32 | chino[dev] | yea i read it |
| 04:20.48 | chino[dev] | wait wtf |
| 04:20.52 | chino[dev] | why do you have to type "--purge remove" |
| 04:21.10 | stylus | is it: apt-get install build-essential, for the base compiling tools etc. ? |
| 04:21.15 | vulture | chino[dev]: because purging removes configuration files as well.. |
| 04:21.29 | vulture | by default configs are not removed, so if you reinstall you've still got your configuration |
| 04:21.36 | terminal|afk | stylus, perhaps you should apt-cache search gcc |
| 04:21.38 | chino[dev] | so --purge is a compliment to the action remove |
| 04:21.54 | stylus | terminal|afk, alright. I'm in the console though, so if the list is big I can't scrool back. |
| 04:22.09 | stylus | scroll* |
| 04:22.17 | terminal|afk | stylus, perhaps you should apt-cache search gcc | less |
| 04:22.22 | terminal|afk | just pipe it to less |
| 04:22.22 | terminal|afk | ll |
| 04:22.24 | terminal|afk | *lol |
| 04:22.25 | chino[dev] | "dpkg --list | grep apache" is that not the correct way to see if i have anything to do with apache installed ? |
| 04:22.28 | stylus | hehe |
| 04:22.35 | terminal|afk | #apt-cache search gcc | less |
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| 04:23.12 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: no, that just tells you if you have any packages which contain apache in the name or description. |
| 04:23.32 | stylus | #apt-cache search gcc | less |
| 04:23.40 | chino[dev] | so how can i find out what was installed allong with apache and remove it as well ? |
| 04:23.54 | chino[dev] | and how would i do the same affect of "--purge remove" with dpkg ? |
| 04:23.56 | BlackJudas|TWL | I was aptitude dist-upgrade'ing in a gnome-terminal, due to aptitude being too smart, it removed gdm, and now I can't seem to get back to what debconf usually asks me. Is there a way I can tell debconf what I want it to do even though gdm was stopped and x isn't running anymore? |
| 04:24.16 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: dpkg --purge foopkgname; apt-get doesn't track which dependencies were automatically installed. If you want that, use aptitude. |
| 04:24.41 | terminal|giga | BlackJudas|TWL, can't you just apt-get install gdm |
| 04:24.48 | chino[dev] | ok so how would i use aptitude to see hwat was installed allong with apache ? |
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| 04:25.09 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: just run aptitude, then find apache, and mark all of its dependencies as automatically installed (if they're still installed.) |
| 04:25.27 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: if nothing depends upon them, aptitude will attempt to remove them when you tell it to execute the pending actions. |
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| 04:25.32 | BlackJudas|TWL | terminal|giga: it's in a state where it's asking me a question, complaining that some other process is locking the /dpkg/archive directory. |
| 04:25.44 | dondelelcaro | this is all explained in great detail in the introductory Debian reference material. |
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| 04:25.54 | BlackJudas|TWL | dondelelcaro: was that directed at me? |
| 04:25.59 | terminal|giga | BlackJudas|TWL, you could rm -rf the pid |
| 04:26.03 | BlackJudas|TWL | I'd be happy to re-read it :P |
| 04:26.04 | terminal|giga | or do a killall for apt |
| 04:26.07 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas|TWL: you've probably got some other copy of apt-get, dpkg, or similar running; ps axfu; to find it, then stop it. |
| 04:26.12 | terminal|giga | and then re-run apt-get install gdm |
| 04:26.16 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas|TWL: nah, that was a continuation of what I was saying. |
| 04:26.20 | chino[dev] | whats a virtual package ? |
| 04:26.30 | BlackJudas|TWL | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll do that, didn't think it was safe. |
| 04:26.39 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: a virtual package is a package that doesn't exist but other packages provide it or depend upon it. |
| 04:26.49 | chino[dev] | huh ? |
| 04:26.53 | terminal|giga | they're like meta packages |
| 04:26.58 | chino[dev] | lost |
| 04:26.58 | dondelelcaro | no. |
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| 04:27.04 | terminal|giga | they're not? |
| 04:27.05 | terminal|giga | whoa |
| 04:27.07 | dondelelcaro | terminal|giga: meta packages are actually packages that depend on things. |
| 04:27.15 | terminal|giga | oh |
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| 04:27.29 | terminal|giga | whats an example of a virtual package then? |
| 04:27.31 | chino[dev] | are these installed ? |
| 04:27.44 | dondelelcaro | terminal|giga: httpd, mail-transport-agent, etc. are all virtual packages. |
| 04:27.56 | dondelelcaro | terminal|giga: gnome is a meta package. |
| 04:28.04 | terminal|giga | ahh |
| 04:28.04 | terminal|giga | neat |
| 04:28.06 | chino[dev] | i found apache2 virtual packages tehy are grayed out though does that mean they are instaleld ? |
| 04:28.18 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: apache2 is not a virtual package. |
| 04:28.40 | chino[dev] | its not named apache2 |
| 04:28.54 | chino[dev] | what does it mean if they are in the list and grayed out ? |
| 04:29.29 | dondelelcaro | eh? aptitude doesn't have any packages which are greyed out. |
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| 04:29.45 | codynotes | Hi. I am trying to set up a RAID1 array of two disks on a new Debian system from the installer. I really don't have a clear idea of what I have to do from the manual. Do I partition one (or both?) volumes first, and then create an MD device, or do I set up an MD device and then partition the drives? |
| 04:29.53 | chino[dev] | man idk when i look at the list of virtual pacakges i see ones that are bright white and some are gray text |
| 04:29.57 | BlackJudas|TWL | HAH! I was smrt! I did it all under screen ... a simple screen -r pid saved me bum. |
| 04:30.07 | chino[dev] | why does everythin ghvae to be so dam complicated with debian |
| 04:30.09 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: the white ones are bold, and the others are not. |
| 04:30.16 | chino[dev] | and what does that mean |
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| 04:30.42 | BlackJudas|TWL | chino[dev]: it's not complicated, it's a collection of logical shit put there for you to bitch about. |
| 04:31.03 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: that's just telling you which virtual packages you have real packages providing. |
| 04:31.05 | chiawiki | hi, how can I find if a machine I am planning to buy is compatible with debian linux? |
| 04:31.08 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: you don't care about it at all. |
| 04:31.21 | Variador | alright I'm new to debian |
| 04:31.21 | dondelelcaro | chiawiki: if it runs linux at all, you can run Debian on it. |
| 04:31.25 | chino[dev] | does it mean its installed ? |
| 04:31.30 | Variador | when I went to look at images to download there is like 10 images |
| 04:31.34 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: virtual packages *CANNOT* be installed. |
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| 04:31.43 | chiawiki | dondelelcaro: that's part of the issue, I am not even sure if it runs linux |
| 04:32.17 | chiawiki | it should be compatible, but who knows, this is Dell 5100 |
| 04:32.27 | dondelelcaro | chiawiki: well, there's really not a good hardware compatibility matrix... the best way to check is to do a google search... if it's a popular type of hardware at all, if it can run Debian, someone will have already run Debian on it. |
| 04:32.40 | Variador | so how do I go about installing debian |
| 04:32.44 | Variador | ? |
| 04:32.46 | dondelelcaro | chiawiki: http://somewhere.fscked.org/laptop/ |
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| 04:33.05 | chiawiki | thank you, this is actually dimension 5100 (it is a desktop) |
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| 04:33.15 | dondelelcaro | chiawiki: ah; well, you see the idea. |
| 04:33.57 | chino[dev] | you guys know if the linksys wpc11 ver.3 hence prism3 pcmcia cards are supported without needing compliations in debian ? |
| 04:33.59 | dondelelcaro | chiawiki: but generally the dell desktops work fairly well with Debian. |
| 04:34.31 | litage | in etch, when i run ``sudo /usr/sbin/deluser --remove-all-files blah'', this error occurs: "Undefined argument in option spec", which means that it doesn't like --remove-all-files. however, that option is listed in the manpage. what gives? |
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| 04:34.44 | dbindner_ | codynotes: Simplest way is to partition both drives the same. Then create the MD devices (which are the analog then of partitions like hda1 and hda2 etc.) |
| 04:34.50 | chiawiki | I agree, they should |
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| 04:35.24 | chino[dev] | litage: try to put single quotes around the command and its options |
| 04:35.50 | codynotes | dbinder_: So, set up the exact same partitions and mount points on both volumes, and enable the partitions for RAID? And then create MD devices for each set of partitions on both drives? |
| 04:35.54 | dondelelcaro | litage: it's defined in in sid... |
| 04:36.53 | dondelelcaro | litage: does it actually start to delete the user and fail at some later point? |
| 04:36.56 | dbindner_ | codynotes: Yes. If the partitions on each drive differ slightly, that can be fine. A bit of space is wasted on the bigger half. But yes. When you get done, you'll have and md0, md1, etc. that you can install your filesystems on. |
| 04:36.58 | enouf | chino[dev], dondelelcaro: (Hope I'm not stepping on any toes) ..one dirty ugly way is to find all the apache pkg names using what you said using 'dpkg -l | grep apache' , then 'apt-cache showpkg <packagename>' and view all/each of the dependencies -- but there's also some -reverse-depends (-rdepends) option in one of the apt- or dpkg- programs -- I may be wrong, and others can/will correct me if so...from there, you can '--purge remove' |
| 04:37.30 | chiawiki | looks like I might have an issue with the ethernet card, but it seems fixable |
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| 04:38.08 | codynotes | dbinder_: OK, great. That's what was confusing me. Do you happen to know, for SATA drives, whether it matters whether the two volumes are set up primary master and primary slave, or primary master and secondary master? |
| 04:38.12 | dbindner_ | codynotes: The other way is to make one big partition on each drive, build it into one big md0. Then install lvm on that and make "lvm partitions" within. A bit more complex, and I wouldn't do it on my first raid system. |
| 04:38.34 | codynotes | OK, I've stayed away from LVM because I don't want another layer of complexity.. |
| 04:38.39 | dbindner_ | I believe it does not matter on SATA. |
| 04:38.56 | codynotes | OK, awesome. Thank you!! Let me give this a try.. |
| 04:39.21 | dbindner_ | Good luck. i'm off to bed. I may try back tomorrow night to see if it worked. |
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| 04:41.48 | enouf | chino[dev]: however, I'm wrong -- something like libc6 shouldn't even be attempted (I see that in apt-cache show apache2-utils) - so my original statement is way off -- please ignore it - thanks...listen to dondelelcaro |
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| 04:42.56 | bronaugh | hey.... how can you upgrade the airport firmware on apple's cards from within linux? |
| 04:43.03 | dondelelcaro | enouf: you're almost on the right track; the right way is to use aptitude and just mark them as automatically installed. |
| 04:43.19 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: you don't need to; the broadcom modern ones load their firmware. |
| 04:43.27 | bronaugh | it's not broadcom. |
| 04:43.31 | bronaugh | it's orinoco. |
| 04:43.31 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: which one? |
| 04:43.32 | chino[dev] | eh i dont really care its just that debian is so noisy so much stuff going on its all so confusing |
| 04:43.56 | bronaugh | aka the "airport" driver. |
| 04:44.14 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: ah; I didn't know that there was a firmware update for them |
| 04:44.28 | bronaugh | well... driver's complaining about firmware being buggy.... so I'd hope there's an update. |
| 04:44.40 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: oh, it always complains about that. |
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| 04:44.53 | bronaugh | yeah, and it causes minotr mode to not work. |
| 04:44.56 | bronaugh | err, monitor. |
| 04:44.59 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 04:45.07 | bronaugh | which is the goal of the exercise today... |
| 04:45.13 | chino[dev] | how is hte prism3 support you guys know ? |
| 04:45.28 | bronaugh | afaik hostap driver is pretty much complete, and doesn't it support prism3? |
| 04:45.29 | dondelelcaro | chino[dev]: if the kernel supports it (I think it does?) it's fairly straitforward to get it to work. |
| 04:46.02 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok ...thank you -- I too feel using aptitude is a bit cryptic to get used to, at first (sorta like vi/vim -<ducks>) - but I wouldn't go so far to desparage it, since it is written by smart people with great intentions and is here to stay - so I'd better learn it soon :-) -- plus as you say it's a better (dare I say) overall package handler...for just these kinds of situations |
| 04:46.02 | chino[dev] | how would you go about setting up wireless on debian ? |
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| 04:46.05 | Variador | whats some of the difference between normal linux26 and expert26 setup on the netinstall cd? |
| 04:46.13 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: yeah, you'll probably have better luck with a madwifi card, like one of the airlink cards... fry's has them for around $20 |
| 04:46.40 | dondelelcaro | enouf: well, for starters you can just use it like apt-get; the cli is actually fairly simple... it even has help bound to ?... |
| 04:47.00 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: anyhow, any idea oubt how to do this? |
| 04:47.04 | dondelelcaro | Variador: expert26 asks you a whole lot more questions; |
| 04:47.25 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: if such a thing exists, you'd pretty much have to do it in macos, since I don't think anyone has written a firmware upgrader for them. (At least, I've never seen one) |
| 04:48.19 | enouf | dondelelcaro: watches enouf dive into the aptitude help (and possible tutorial) -- brb ;-) - thanks |
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| 04:49.13 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: yeah, except it's an ibook. |
| 04:49.17 | bronaugh | and doesn't have pcmcia.... |
| 04:49.27 | bronaugh | so it'd have to be some ugly usb thingy. |
| 04:49.38 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: heh. You can cut down a madwifi card and get it to fit in there |
| 04:49.46 | dondelelcaro | but usb probably would be simpler... |
| 04:50.00 | falkon | I have a slight problem. I need to upgrade certain packages [firefox for one] but it's on the list of packages being kept back. I know I need to do a dist-upgrade, but if I do it, xserver is gonna break, because they decided to pull out that whole nvidia driver thing that I NEED |
| 04:50.24 | bronaugh | yeah, but if it doesn't have MMC connectors or whatever, it's going to suck. |
| 04:50.26 | dondelelcaro | falkon: so aptitude install firefox; or use aptitude's curses interface to direct the upgrade process. |
| 04:50.39 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: soldering is your friend! ;-) |
| 04:50.53 | falkon | dondelelcaro: will try that. I'm actually not familiar with using aptitude |
| 04:51.31 | dondelelcaro | frankly, I never bothered, though... the reception on the 400MHz G4 was crappy enough that you could generally only see 1 AP |
| 04:51.38 | bronaugh | hah |
| 04:52.51 | dondelelcaro | anyway, best of luck with that. |
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| 04:53.16 | bronaugh | yeah... think we're going to need it :/ |
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| 04:55.31 | bronaugh | hmm... so the 8.70 firmware doesn't work with the old stuff. |
| 05:04.10 | falkon | dondelelcaro: damn it, I just got short sighted and told aptitude to upgrade xorg, now I'm gonna break |
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| 05:08.11 | chino[dev] | this pcmicia network card just blinks at a constant rate |
| 05:08.25 | PumpkinPie | cool |
| 05:08.29 | PumpkinPie | wish I had one of those |
| 05:08.39 | chino[dev] | lol |
| 05:09.07 | chino[dev] | but i cant get a network connection and iwconfig allways says my ap: is all 4's |
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| 05:12.23 | falkon | glory glory debian testing nvidia-glx finally got fixed |
| 05:12.27 | falkon | i didn't break yay |
| 05:13.51 | litage | dondelelcaro: i put single-quotes around the entire command (sudo /usr/sbin/deluser --remove-all-files blah), but that generates a sudo error |
| 05:14.22 | litage | dondelelcaro: the command doesn't start to delete the user and fail later. it fails immediately with "Undefined argument in option spec" |
| 05:16.14 | dondelelcaro | litage: hrm... and whereis deluser returns /usr/sbin/deluser, right? what version of adduser is it? |
| 05:16.29 | dondelelcaro | litage: less /usr/sbin/deluser; also shows remove-all-files, right? |
| 05:16.51 | dondelelcaro | should be something like: "remove-all-files" => \$pconfig{"remove_all_files"}, |
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| 05:16.59 | dos000 | howdy |
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| 05:18.39 | litage | dondelelcaro: ls -l `which deluser` outputs this: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13855 2005-11-30 00:08 /usr/sbin/deluser |
| 05:19.28 | litage | dondelelcaro: version 3.80 of adduser |
| 05:19.43 | dondelelcaro | !+info adduser etch |
| 05:19.44 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:19.46 | dpkg | adduser: (Add and remove users and groups), section admin, is important. Version: 3.95 (etch), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
| 05:19.53 | dondelelcaro | litage: hrm... that's a really old version |
| 05:20.14 | litage | dondelelcaro: it's amd64 etch |
| 05:20.43 | dondelelcaro | litage: you need to transition to the actual Debian amd64 etch archive |
| 05:21.38 | litage | dondelelcaro: ``grep remove-all-files /usr/sbin/deluser'' outputs 3 lines, so yeah, it's in there |
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| 05:22.04 | litage | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by "the actual" Debian amd64 etch archive? |
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| 05:22.42 | dondelelcaro | litage: amd64 is in Debian now. The mirrors have it. |
| 05:22.45 | litage | dondelelcaro: this was installed a few days ago from the current amd64 iso, which is beta2 |
| 05:23.01 | dos000 | anyone: i build a custom kernel patch on sarge using make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --revision. However after installing the .deb i tried compiling a driver for the new kernel ... |
| 05:23.05 | dondelelcaro | litage: well, it's way outdated. Etch has 3.95 |
| 05:23.17 | dondelelcaro | litage: --remove-all-files works here with adduser 3.95 |
| 05:23.30 | dondelelcaro | well, it's at least started working |
| 05:23.55 | dos000 | but ... it keeps installing the .ko files under /lib/modules/2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1 instead of /lib/modules/2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1+vserver/ uname -r gives 2.6.14.3-vs2.0.1+vserver . |
| 05:24.33 | litage | dondelelcaro: do you need to specify the architecture in sources.list? |
| 05:24.36 | dondelelcaro | dos000: that sounds like the makefile has KVER set improperly |
| 05:24.37 | dondelelcaro | litage: no |
| 05:24.38 | dos000 | anyone has ideas ? |
| 05:26.11 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, i even tried to pass the correct KVERS to the make file .. to no avail |
| 05:26.13 | dondelelcaro | dos000: if it actually built it against the proper kernel, and you can insmod the resultant modules, just move the .ko files. |
| 05:26.52 | liable | dos000: try the --append-to-version flag |
| 05:27.05 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, this is for an installation/automated script for the modules .. so it has to work ! |
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| 05:27.30 | dondelelcaro | dos000: if you want to install the modules in an automated fashion, build them along with the original kernel. |
| 05:27.41 | dondelelcaro | dos000: just make them a separate .deb |
| 05:27.55 | dondelelcaro | dos000: see how madwifi-source or mol-modules-source do it, FE. |
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| 05:28.22 | bronaugh | ok... this is manddening. |
| 05:28.54 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, hmm how do i make separate deb. right now i am using the makefile that came with the drivers. |
| 05:29.11 | dondelelcaro | dos000: what driver are you building? |
| 05:29.56 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, this is the zaptel driver |
| 05:30.40 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, i have to add extra stuff so it runs in a vserver |
| 05:30.50 | dondelelcaro | dos000: install the zaptel-source package, then stick it in MODULE_LOC (it should be there by default) then make-kpkg [...] kernel_image modules_image; |
| 05:31.23 | NetEcho | anyone here have a Dell Inspiron laptop? |
| 05:31.28 | dondelelcaro | dos000: if you have to modify the source, then rebuild the zaptel-source package using apt-get source; and fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 05:31.32 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: just ask your question |
| 05:31.32 | litage | dondelelcaro: you're right, etch does run v3.95 of adduser. doing a dist-upgrade will get me there |
| 05:31.49 | NetEcho | I believe that was in the form of a question |
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| 05:32.13 | liable | NetEcho: /msg dpkg laptop and see other peoples howtos if its in regards to hardware |
| 05:32.13 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: if that's your only question, the answer is probably yes... |
| 05:32.15 | NetEcho | just seeing if anyone successfully got a Inspiron 6400 or similar working nicely |
| 05:32.25 | NetEcho | mostly the Radeon X1400 mobile |
| 05:32.27 | NetEcho | media keys |
| 05:32.30 | NetEcho | Sound Card |
| 05:32.43 | NetEcho | I know the wifi and nic work with some manual tweaking |
| 05:33.05 | liable | NetEcho: the x1400 is supported in later fglrx, media keys can be done with xmodmap/xbindkeys |
| 05:33.08 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 05:33.09 | NetEcho | thx liable |
| 05:34.02 | liable | NetEcho: irt keys, as long as xev sees a keymap when pressed, otherwise there may be modules to get that functionality |
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| 05:34.15 | NetEcho | cool |
| 05:34.23 | liable | s/keymap/event/ |
| 05:34.27 | NetEcho | well Debian sure is a changeover from slackware |
| 05:34.29 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: in case what I was getting at wasn't clear, it's just easier for everyone here if you ask the real question you wanted to ask instead of leading up to it. |
| 05:35.21 | liable | NetEcho: see the links from /msg dpkg laptop (a wealth of info on those sites) |
| 05:35.35 | NetEcho | so does apt-get compile source or use binaries? |
| 05:35.46 | vikki_r | NetEcho: binaries |
| 05:35.50 | NetEcho | ok |
| 05:35.52 | liable | !reference |
| 05:35.52 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 05:36.09 | liable | NetEcho: ^^^ check it out, its very good for basics on how debian works |
| 05:36.16 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: you can get it to compile from source if you want, but there's generally little point. |
| 05:36.22 | dondelelcaro | see apt-get -b source foopkg; |
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| 05:38.05 | NetEcho | hopefully I can get linux running nicely and find replacements for all the programs I use on the laptop that run under linux and emulate any software that doesn't |
| 05:38.34 | octoberdan | What's a good IRC client that is both console based and allows the user to page up? |
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| 05:38.54 | dondelelcaro | octoberdan: irssi |
| 05:38.54 | octoberdan | I was suggusted one here a long time ago and I loved it, but then I forgot its name... |
| 05:38.59 | octoberdan | There we go! |
| 05:38.59 | foo | hm, can I format a drive via linux if I have a USB -> IDE cable? |
| 05:39.05 | NetEcho | octoberdan irssi |
| 05:39.07 | dondelelcaro | foo: yes |
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| 05:39.17 | foo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:39.27 | stylus | sshd messes up. it says: "eth0: duplicate address detected!" Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 05:39.47 | stylus | This is for debian on colinux, where I'm bridging off my main connection. |
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| 05:40.16 | octoberdan | dondelelcaro, NetEcho, Thank you :-) |
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| 05:51.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:51.55 | dpkg | somebody said qotd77 was <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 05:52.02 | liable | haha |
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| 05:53.06 | cydork | liable, hhehehe :) |
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| 05:55.17 | jonkri | is it possible to run debian amd64 port as testing? |
| 05:55.38 | liable | jonkri: the etch version? sure |
| 05:55.56 | jonkri | because when i replaced stable with testing in sources.list the files where not found |
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| 05:56.36 | jonkri | Packages.gz not found |
| 05:57.13 | liable | didnt it say to run update again? |
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| 05:57.49 | jonkri | failed to open file |
| 05:57.52 | jonkri | still got errors |
| 05:58.36 | liable | jonkri: put your sources list and the apt output on a paster |
| 05:58.42 | liable | !paste |
| 05:58.42 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 05:59.26 | jonkri | done |
| 05:59.36 | liable | and the url is? |
| 06:00.09 | NetEcho | /stable/ is pretty up to date software right? |
| 06:00.21 | jonkri | ah, i thought i didn't get any. used to nopaste where the url is in the address field |
| 06:00.21 | jonkri | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3376. |
| 06:00.27 | jonkri | without the dot, obviously |
| 06:00.36 | liable | NetEcho: not really, it was released over a year ago |
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| 06:01.14 | NetEcho | ok |
| 06:01.14 | liable | jonkri: and the apt output? |
| 06:01.45 | jonkri | how do i get the output in english? |
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| 06:02.20 | liable | nfc |
| 06:02.54 | jonkri | what? |
| 06:03.03 | liable | !nfc |
| 06:03.03 | dpkg | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 06:03.20 | cydork | jonkri, can you paste the error |
| 06:04.21 | jonkri | cydork, yes, but i suspect it wont do much good to you in swedish |
| 06:04.43 | cydork | jonkri, try it :P |
| 06:04.45 | SpeedyG | just paste it, perhaps someone knows the language ;P |
| 06:05.00 | jonkri | i got it |
| 06:05.32 | jonkri | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3377 |
| 06:05.39 | jonkri | LC_ALL="en_EN" |
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| 06:07.29 | SpeedyG | damn :( i'd like to see the swedish version of that ;P |
| 06:07.44 | tralala | dpkg: test |
| 06:07.44 | dpkg | Yes, tralala, you're still online. |
| 06:08.37 | cydork | jonkri, the path is wrong. check this ftp://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian-amd64/dists/testing/ |
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| 06:09.13 | cydork | jonkri, choose another mirror. |
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| 06:09.31 | jonkri | this was the second mirror i tried... anyway, will do... thanks :) |
| 06:09.32 | chino[dev] | how do i make the root console have colors like it does when i login with a normal user ? |
| 06:09.34 | jonkri | one more question: can i, using a amd64 processor, use alien on 32 bit rpm's and use them as if i had a 32 bit processor? thinking of trying http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm... |
| 06:10.18 | liable | jonkri: you can run 32bit binaries, but only in a chroot. |
| 06:10.40 | liable | jonkri: if you want 32 xgl debs, i have a couple, but buyer beware :) |
| 06:10.48 | liable | s/32/32bit/ |
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| 06:11.56 | jonkri | liable, what do you mean only in a chroot? |
| 06:12.06 | jonkri | liable, so i can't really test xgl without lots of hassle? |
| 06:12.20 | liable | jonkri: you cant run 32bit binaries natively on a 64bit system so to speak. |
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| 06:12.26 | cydork | jonkri, there is a lot of lib shit you will have to deal with.. |
| 06:12.34 | NetEcho | after I install the new ATI driver with their auto installer how do I configure X to use it? |
| 06:12.34 | liable | jonkri: sure, you can install 32bit debian |
| 06:12.43 | liable | !amd64 |
| 06:12.44 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 06:12.56 | liable | jonkri: see the last sentence :) |
| 06:13.03 | NetEcho | actually a better question would be |
| 06:13.13 | cydork | !tell NetEcho about drxx |
| 06:13.25 | liable | NetEcho: they supply a program.. aticonfig --initial |
| 06:13.33 | NetEcho | ok |
| 06:14.04 | jonkri | ok thanks |
| 06:14.14 | liable | NetEcho: or just reconfigure with dpkg.. either way.. |
| 06:15.03 | NetEcho | ok |
| 06:15.04 | NetEcho | X works now |
| 06:15.12 | NetEcho | wow |
| 06:15.15 | NetEcho | nice quality too |
| 06:15.41 | NetEcho | now lets see how rusty I am lol |
| 06:17.18 | NetEcho | alright I guess I am really rusty |
| 06:18.59 | vikki_r | chino[dev]: are you referring to coloured ls output? |
| 06:19.34 | NetEcho | how do you change from gnome to kde? |
| 06:19.45 | NetEcho | .xinitrc? |
| 06:19.48 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: ok, we got that working |
| 06:19.56 | liable | NetEcho: do you have a desktop manager installed? |
| 06:20.08 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: ended up creating a 4-line patch for the 0.13e-26 driver. |
| 06:20.21 | dondelelcaro | ah, cool. |
| 06:20.36 | NetEcho | liable I believe its using gnome at the moment |
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| 06:21.01 | liable | NetEcho: when you boot the box, do you have a text or graphical login? |
| 06:21.26 | NetEcho | I think its set to graphical |
| 06:21.40 | NetEcho | it didn't start up at first cause the new driver wasn't setup |
| 06:22.03 | liable | NetEcho: easy, log out, look for a sessions option somewhere |
| 06:22.15 | NetEcho | oh ok |
| 06:22.50 | NetEcho | and you wouldn't happen to know how to make it stop beeping to the internal speaker would you? |
| 06:23.05 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: and... we have monitor mode! :) it's good. |
| 06:23.12 | liable | !beep |
| 06:23.12 | dpkg | somebody said beep was /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
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| 06:23.19 | liable | meh |
| 06:23.39 | NetEcho | lol |
| 06:23.52 | NetEcho | cause its using my laptop' |
| 06:23.58 | NetEcho | s speakers and beeps extremely loud |
| 06:24.03 | NetEcho | its 2:30 AM and people are sleeping |
| 06:24.08 | liable | NetEcho: you can unload the pcspeakr module |
| 06:24.30 | liable | pcspkr |
| 06:25.08 | NetEcho | rmmod pcspkr? |
| 06:25.52 | liable | yeah |
| 06:26.10 | liable | !shell beep |
| 06:26.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style) - also man setterm. |
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| 06:26.27 | vikki_r | 'night all |
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| 06:26.58 | vikki_r | chino[dev]: if it *is* coloured ls output in root you're looking for, take a look at root's .bashrc |
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| 06:28.47 | NetEcho | how do you change the system default window manager? |
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| 06:29.38 | liable | exec foo in .xinitrx |
| 06:29.41 | liable | rc.. |
| 06:30.02 | liable | NetEcho: are you sure you dont have a dm installed? |
| 06:30.11 | NetEcho | I'm using KDE right now |
| 06:30.16 | NetEcho | but it just keeps defaulting to gnome |
| 06:30.23 | NetEcho | KDE 3.3 |
| 06:30.37 | liable | NetEcho: how did you start kde? |
| 06:30.54 | NetEcho | I had to manualy tell the login manager which DM to use |
| 06:31.00 | NetEcho | Session > KDE |
| 06:31.09 | NetEcho | but if I don't do that it defaults to gnome |
| 06:31.26 | liable | NetEcho: it should ask if you want to make it default, or there will be an option somewhere in the dm |
| 06:31.50 | chino[dev] | i uncommented teh lines in .bashrc but no show |
| 06:32.25 | liable | chino[dev]: did you log out? |
| 06:32.28 | shingouz | chino[dev]: logoff/login |
| 06:32.36 | chino[dev] | i did another su - |
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| 06:32.47 | liable | chino[dev]: exit all root shells |
| 06:32.59 | chino[dev] | wtf all ? |
| 06:33.55 | chino[dev] | dude how do i get checkinstall to do 2 make operations ? |
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| 06:34.40 | Teltariat | Greets folks. I was just wondering; why does Debian need exim? |
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| 06:35.02 | sep | Teltariat, any unix needs one MTA: exim is just the default you can replace it with any other mta |
| 06:35.03 | chino[dev] | yea what is this exim about |
| 06:35.03 | Azar | exim is a default, you can remove it if you do not want to use it |
| 06:35.18 | chino[dev] | why they use exim as default i never heard of it |
| 06:35.21 | NetEcho | hrm |
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| 06:35.26 | NetEcho | rmmod not found |
| 06:35.36 | Teltariat | If I remove exim, and not replace it with anything else, will the system continue to function alright? Or is an MTA ABSOLUTELY necessary? |
| 06:36.04 | Azar | I did removed exim, with no fuss. did not replaced it with anything |
| 06:36.17 | sep | Teltariat, it's like driving a acr with a blindfold... it goes probably ok,,,, until the next turn comes up |
| 06:36.22 | sep | car |
| 06:36.50 | NetEcho | ah there we go |
| 06:36.56 | Azar | yep I think so too |
| 06:37.02 | `ns` | having a computer without a mailserver is like a car without a kitchen sink ! |
| 06:37.03 | sep | you wont get any alterts or notices of anything, and some services that require a mta may cease to function |
| 06:37.12 | Azar | I guess the system needs some kind of mta |
| 06:37.19 | sep | yes |
| 06:37.24 | chino[dev] | what is libmysql-ruby / |
| 06:37.31 | Teltariat | I think that the dependance on an MTA should be removed. |
| 06:37.37 | sep | the default exim is very ligth and flexible |
| 06:37.48 | chino[dev] | is it a special debian package that they broke off on the side or is it really its own package i can download nad compile for ruby 1.8.4 now / |
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| 06:38.03 | Azar | Teltariat: some services need some kind of mta.. |
| 06:38.04 | sep | but you can replace it with even ligther mta's like nullmailer or similars. depending on need. |
| 06:38.18 | sep | but generally it's less hassle to just leave exim there as default |
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| 06:38.48 | sep | chino[dev], why can't you run checkinstall twice one for each make install command giving you in effect 2 packages ? |
| 06:39.25 | sep | Teltariat, this is unix, it uses MTA as window's event logger.... do you usualy remove the event logger on your windowses also ? :) |
| 06:39.33 | Azar | if you are like me, using only minimal system, you probably do not need mta... but if you want more and more programs, that use some kind of services, you might need it |
| 06:39.58 | chino[dev] | sep: yea id have to rename the package then anyway i got the syntax right thanks |
| 06:40.05 | sep | Azar, even floppy based linux systems on 1.4 MB usualy contain a MTA or a script that does that job in some way |
| 06:40.24 | Teltariat | I think the most they should use is syslog, personally. :-/ |
| 06:40.27 | Azar | sep, I guess you are right |
| 06:40.35 | Teltariat | But thats just me. |
| 06:40.44 | wols | You don't need an MTA. you do need an MDA tho |
| 06:41.05 | sep | Teltariat, well you are free to write a mta-> syslog proxy :) |
| 06:41.11 | Teltariat | uh |
| 06:41.13 | Teltariat | lol. |
| 06:41.48 | sep | Teltariat, no use whining about it. scratch your own itch :) |
| 06:42.19 | NetEcho | ok I need some help getting alsa set up |
| 06:42.59 | sep | !alsa one-liner |
| 06:42.59 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 06:43.29 | NetEcho | alsamixer won't run |
| 06:43.37 | Azar | sep, interesting those using etch are urged to upgrade exim3 to exim4 |
| 06:44.16 | Azar | NetEcho: maybe you need to install it |
| 06:44.22 | NetEcho | snd_ctl_open failed for default |
| 06:44.25 | sep | Azar, naturally. it will be the default in etch |
| 06:44.29 | sep | probably.. |
| 06:44.31 | NetEcho | its installed I ran alsaconf already\ |
| 06:44.38 | Azar | great, maybe we won't have to manually do it |
| 06:45.13 | Azar | NetEcho: maybe you need to remove the oss modules first in order to let snd_ modules work |
| 06:45.26 | NetEcho | and how do you do that? |
| 06:45.50 | Azar | uh that's hard, have to identify them, and remove them from the module list |
| 06:45.51 | NetEcho | you mean the snd_*_oss mods? |
| 06:45.57 | Azar | nooooooo |
| 06:45.58 | liable | heh, i never noticed how shiny the keyboard on my old laptop had gotten.. dunno if its from use, or greasy pizza fingers :) |
| 06:46.14 | NetEcho | those are the only oss modules loaded |
| 06:46.15 | sep | NetEcho, lsmod ; check if oss modules are loaded. if they are, find out where they are loaded from and comment out those. /etc/modules is a likely candidate |
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| 06:46.21 | Azar | anything starting snd_ is good, the oss module will be listed as your audio module name |
| 06:46.24 | liable | Azar: alsaconf does that for you |
| 06:46.37 | NetEcho | yea I ran alsaconf |
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| 06:46.50 | Azar | liable, nice to hear this news... got tired to do it manually |
| 06:47.00 | liable | NetEcho: and it found a card and configured it? |
| 06:47.23 | NetEcho | I don't know if it found a card |
| 06:47.35 | liable | NetEcho: run it again and pay attention :P |
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| 06:47.51 | NetEcho | it just gave me a message that was empty |
| 06:47.56 | NetEcho | no text to say if it found one |
| 06:48.13 | liable | NetEcho: what kernel are you running? |
| 06:48.43 | NetEcho | default 2.6 |
| 06:48.43 | jetscreamer | why no xorgconfig in the xorg packages |
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| 06:49.16 | liable | NetEcho: lsmod shows snd_ modules loaded? |
| 06:50.31 | sep | jetscreamer, dont know. perhaps to force people into useing drxx :) |
| 06:50.33 | NetEcho | yea |
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| 06:51.08 | NetEcho | these are the sound drivers I find from dell |
| 06:51.14 | NetEcho | for my service tag |
| 06:51.15 | NetEcho | |
| 06:51.15 | NetEcho | Creative Labs Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy ADVANCED HD Audio |
| 06:51.15 | NetEcho | SIGMATEL STAC 92XX C-Major HD Audio |
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| 06:51.21 | NetEcho | sorry |
| 06:51.26 | NetEcho | didn't think that'd go as flood |
| 06:51.32 | jetscreamer | pastebot |
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| 06:52.46 | NetEcho | but yea it shows a Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy Advanced HD and a Sigmatel STAC 92XX C-Major |
| 06:53.30 | NetEcho | could pcspkr be needed since my internal speaker is also my laptop speakers? |
| 06:54.01 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:54.22 | jetscreamer | did you paste your lsmod output anywhere? |
| 06:54.37 | NetEcho | I can |
| 06:54.39 | NetEcho | 1 sec |
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| 06:54.48 | jetscreamer | not here eh... :) |
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| 06:56.15 | NetEcho | :o |
| 06:56.22 | NetEcho | apt-get install irssi can't find a package |
| 06:56.34 | jetscreamer | irssi-text |
| 06:56.46 | NetEcho | gonna have to use ssh |
| 06:57.02 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search <searchterm> is your friend |
| 06:57.15 | NetEcho | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3379 |
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| 06:58.21 | jetscreamer | no snd_emu10k1 |
| 06:58.30 | NetEcho | whats that? |
| 06:58.34 | jetscreamer | isn't that the alsa audigy as well as the live? |
| 06:58.46 | jetscreamer | the driver for the actual sound card |
| 06:58.54 | NetEcho | guess alsaconf didn't find it |
| 06:59.02 | NetEcho | I can get a rpm for redhat from dell |
| 06:59.06 | NetEcho | or suse |
| 06:59.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:59.10 | NetEcho | but no source package |
| 06:59.24 | jetscreamer | what kernel, uname -r |
| 06:59.35 | NetEcho | 2.6.8 I believe |
| 06:59.45 | NetEcho | 2.6.8-2 |
| 07:00.49 | jetscreamer | i'm trying to check if that is the correct one, but you can try modprobe snd_emu10k1 .. iirc it's for both |
| 07:00.57 | jetscreamer | but there are different audigy versions |
| 07:01.01 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 07:01.36 | NetEcho | (snd-hda-intel) |
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| 07:01.45 | NetEcho | is what someone's site says for this laptop model |
| 07:01.48 | wols | that's your onboard sound |
| 07:01.52 | NetEcho | yea |
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| 07:02.04 | NetEcho | but alsaconf didn't load it |
| 07:02.31 | wols | cause 2.6.8 probably doesn't have that driver (yet) |
| 07:02.36 | wols | so you might need a newer kernel |
| 07:02.43 | NetEcho | oh wait they don't have sound working yet |
| 07:02.59 | NetEcho | "There is comment that this sound driver doesn't work with 2.6.16 kernel! If so, then it's just a transient problem." |
| 07:04.15 | hjubal | ciao |
| 07:04.16 | jetscreamer | i don't see an sb audigy using and intel chip driver |
| 07:04.20 | wols | yep, 2.6.8 doesn't have HD Audio support |
| 07:04.23 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing about your box |
| 07:04.34 | jetscreamer | s/and/an/ |
| 07:04.36 | wols | jetscreamer: cause it is no audigy. ever seen an audigy in a notebook? |
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| 07:04.50 | NetEcho | oh joy a new kernel |
| 07:04.52 | wols | it's HD audio aka azalia. the new intel onboard soundcard "standard" |
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| 07:05.17 | NetEcho | must remember to change fstab and learn to change grub from hda4 to sda4 |
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| 07:06.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.43 | NetEcho | thats the drivers it gives me on the dell site when I input my service tag |
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| 07:06.47 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 07:07.03 | NetEcho | I could boot windows and see what its using |
| 07:07.22 | NetEcho | think I will too |
| 07:07.28 | jetscreamer | why |
| 07:07.43 | NetEcho | see which hardware I hae |
| 07:07.49 | NetEcho | *have |
| 07:07.52 | jetscreamer | you could just use cat on /proc somewhere |
| 07:07.55 | Azar | jetscreamer, is there any way for a user to see what alsa modules he/she could use for his sound card? |
| 07:08.20 | Azar | 2.6.8 kernel gives a list somewhere? |
| 07:08.30 | epsilon | I have USB-Audigy primary ment for Notebook - there's also a pc-card version |
| 07:08.37 | wols | alsa-project.org has a nice listing what driver for what chip |
| 07:08.49 | Azar | nice |
| 07:08.49 | jetscreamer | /boot/config-whatever would be a list but not a matched one... |
| 07:08.58 | Phoenix92x | Hi, I'm experiencing full system lockups (as in switching to other terminals doesnt even work) on an install of debian etch i386 on my desktop. Even with everything but CPU/Video/Memory/HD the system still locks up. Am using VESA driver. When I get into the X Server and log in (running KDE) it will go anywhere from 15 seconds to about 10 minutes and completely lock up with absolutely no response requiring a hard boot of the syste |
| 07:08.58 | Phoenix92x | ne. Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be causing this? |
| 07:09.36 | Azar | jetscreamer: I am still checking the old woody way: modconf |
| 07:09.39 | wols | jetscreamer: keywords are "integrated" and "Advanced HD". Audigy is just a marketing term |
| 07:09.44 | NetEcho | Windows has a Sigmatel Audio Codec loaded |
| 07:10.05 | epsilon | Phoenix92x: checked your hardware, especially ram? |
| 07:10.11 | wols | NetEcho: what chipset is this btw? |
| 07:10.17 | NetEcho | hell if I know |
| 07:10.27 | jetscreamer | oh duh |
| 07:10.30 | jetscreamer | lspic |
| 07:10.33 | NetEcho | dell doesn't like to document that info in easy to find spots |
| 07:10.35 | jetscreamer | err lspci |
| 07:10.41 | NetEcho | duh |
| 07:10.49 | NetEcho | why didn't I think of doing that either lol |
| 07:10.53 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i audio maybe |
| 07:10.57 | NetEcho | used to use it all the time to compile kernels |
| 07:11.01 | jetscreamer | not sure what to grep for |
| 07:11.08 | NetEcho | I'll go through it all |
| 07:11.20 | Phoenix92x | epsilon: hmm...have no way to check the CPU or Motherboard, am going to swap out HD tomorrow. I could run Memtest x86 but Im running XP as the other OS and it has never had such problems. The system has never had any sort of memory errors. Although I suppose they could just be starting now and I could have some horrid timing luck eh? =) |
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| 07:12.14 | jetscreamer | Phoenix92x: i know nothing but are you sure you're not using a -k7 kernel on an intel proc or a -686 on an athlon? |
| 07:12.18 | jetscreamer | jsut a guess |
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| 07:12.40 | wols | phoenixx: does it only happen in X or happen with console open only? |
| 07:12.49 | jetscreamer | wild guess |
| 07:13.01 | jetscreamer | mwilson for president |
| 07:13.17 | Phoenix92x | jetscreamer: hmm...the kernel listed is a K7 and I am running an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ |
| 07:13.26 | phorce1 | OK, I've been googling around (which is a pain using a text browser). What's the X program/command to probe for the video card? I'm having issues getting XFree86 to run on a new machine with a via chipset. |
| 07:13.35 | jetscreamer | very wild and inaccurate guess |
| 07:13.51 | wols | !drxx |
| 07:13.51 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 07:14.05 | Phoenix92x | jetscreamer: or at least a k7 is the one grub lists |
| 07:14.11 | NetEcho | well I have a lot of unknown devices |
| 07:14.18 | NetEcho | jetscreamer I'll put in a pastebin for you |
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| 07:14.33 | wols | phoenixx: what if you use a i386 kernel? or the install kernel? |
| 07:14.44 | jetscreamer | <wols> phoenixx: does it only happen in X or happen with console open only? |
| 07:14.47 | NetEcho | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3380 |
| 07:15.23 | wols | NetEcho: get a new kernel |
| 07:15.28 | NetEcho | doing so right now |
| 07:15.35 | phorce1 | wols: I've reconfigured 2 or 3 times. Tried the via driver, vesa driver, and vga driver. Can see the video card in an lsci output at PCI:01:00:00 |
| 07:16.11 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=PCI+bridge%3A+Intel+Corp.%3A+Unknown+device+27a1+%28rev+03%29&restrict=linux |
| 07:16.25 | wols | phorce1: no NOT enter anything in that field where you can select which PCI slot has the card. NOTHING |
| 07:16.27 | phorce1 | wols: Oh -- the drxx wasn't directed at me, sorry |
| 07:16.57 | wols | phorce1: it was |
| 07:17.03 | phorce1 | wols: Tried that and entering the lspci output |
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| 07:17.22 | Azar | phorce1: drxx was at you |
| 07:17.29 | phorce1 | wols: heh -- loaded up with X problems on the channel tonight |
| 07:17.44 | NetEcho | jetscreamer I haven't upgraded the bios lol |
| 07:18.12 | jetscreamer | 27d8 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller |
| 07:18.16 | Azar | phorce1: new machine, new video card? |
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| 07:18.38 | jetscreamer | Thinkpad R60e model 0657 ? |
| 07:18.46 | lehmama | can anybody explain me the purpose of the override files in indices directory? |
| 07:19.01 | NetEcho | no jetscreamer |
| 07:19.02 | phorce1 | Azar: Yep. |
| 07:19.04 | jetscreamer | http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids.gz |
| 07:19.05 | NetEcho | dell inspiron 6400 |
| 07:19.10 | jetscreamer | 27d8 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller |
| 07:19.19 | jetscreamer | intel |
| 07:19.25 | jetscreamer | yours |
| 07:19.25 | Azar | phorce1: did you set up the video driver at first? then care about X? |
| 07:19.26 | NetEcho | think a new kernel will fix that? |
| 07:19.32 | wols | and for HDA, you need a newer kernel |
| 07:19.34 | phorce1 | Azar: supposedly supported by the via driver (k800m) |
| 07:19.55 | wols | I _know_ it will fix it cause there is a .config setting: # CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL is not set |
| 07:19.57 | NetEcho | damnit |
| 07:19.59 | Azar | uh integrated? |
| 07:20.03 | NetEcho | corrupt kernel tar |
| 07:20.39 | phorce1 | Azar: yes. I'll probably stick a card in later but it would be nice for this to work now. |
| 07:20.57 | NetEcho | jetscreamer a kernel update should fix lspci right? |
| 07:21.28 | wols | phorce1: xfree86 or xorg? |
| 07:21.30 | Phoenix92x | jetscreamer: I have never had it happen in console |
| 07:21.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=82801G&restrict=linux |
| 07:21.45 | Phoenix92x | then again havnt been in console much |
| 07:21.53 | wols | NetEcho: yes |
| 07:21.55 | jetscreamer | NetEcho: ^^ |
| 07:21.58 | jetscreamer | maybe help |
| 07:22.01 | NetEcho | ok |
| 07:22.14 | NetEcho | hopefully this time the kernel package won't be corrupt lol |
| 07:22.15 | Phoenix92x | jetscreamer: Im wondering which logs I should be checking |
| 07:22.23 | jetscreamer | Phoenix92x: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:22.28 | jetscreamer | might help |
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| 07:22.36 | Azar | phorce1: I'd check on integrated video drivers on linux, for your type... |
| 07:22.38 | jetscreamer | look for EE |
| 07:22.40 | Phoenix92x | thank you jetscreamer |
| 07:22.42 | Phoenix92x | allright |
| 07:22.45 | Phoenix92x | bed for me now, lol |
| 07:22.46 | Phoenix92x | night folks |
| 07:22.48 | Phoenix92x | and thank you |
| 07:22.49 | jetscreamer | (EE) |
| 07:23.00 | phorce1 | wols: xfree |
| 07:23.01 | jetscreamer | WW's are ok |
| 07:23.15 | jetscreamer | -ish |
| 07:23.50 | phorce1 | I'm going to wipe the config and then do a reconfigure -- getting "depth not supported" errors now and that's NOT what it was reporting earlier |
| 07:23.51 | jetscreamer | any joy with modprobe snd-hda-intel ? |
| 07:23.53 | NetEcho | I will need some help with setting up grub with the new kernel in a bit |
| 07:23.57 | wols | phorce1: could be there is no support for such a comparatively new chip in xfree yet |
| 07:24.02 | NetEcho | no jetscreamer |
| 07:24.05 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 07:24.08 | wols | jetscreamer: there is no snd-hda-intel for 2.6.8 |
| 07:24.08 | NetEcho | I've never used grub only lilo |
| 07:24.24 | jetscreamer | oyeah older kern |
| 07:24.27 | RvGaTe | morning... |
| 07:24.31 | NetEcho | lol |
| 07:24.38 | NetEcho | oh the joys of configuring a new kernel |
| 07:24.52 | wols | make oldocnfig is easy |
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| 07:25.10 | NetEcho | gonna have to point fstab and grub at sda4 instead of hda4 now |
| 07:25.15 | jetscreamer | too many y/n/m questions for me |
| 07:25.44 | wols | but faster than going through make menuconfig |
| 07:26.02 | NetEcho | yea but will it enable new stuff that would be needed? |
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| 07:26.11 | r000t | i am thinking about trying out debian.. but i was wondering about the availability of i686 optimized packages?? someone |
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| 07:26.28 | jetscreamer | i hate not knowing what to put and have to put the safe one because i have no idea wtf it is :) |
| 07:26.36 | alexbodn | can i open a partition as a file to make a gz backup? |
| 07:26.46 | wols | alexbodn: yes |
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| 07:27.15 | wols | r000t: there are oprimized kernels and libc. |
| 07:27.16 | NetEcho | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c: At top level: |
| 07:27.16 | NetEcho | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:131: warning: array `attributes' assumed to have one element |
| 07:27.16 | NetEcho | make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 07:27.16 | NetEcho | make[1]: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 07:27.16 | NetEcho | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
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| 07:27.21 | phorce1 | wols: the error specifically mentioned the chipset I had as supported. I'm trying to generate a clean config now. |
| 07:27.21 | NetEcho | oops forgot lol |
| 07:27.23 | nathakr | anyone know of a more up to date usb disk sized linux distro? |
| 07:27.26 | jetscreamer | oopsies |
| 07:27.30 | nathakr | more up to date than DSL, that is |
| 07:27.39 | alexbodn | wols: just gzip /dev/hdax? |
| 07:27.42 | jetscreamer | usb disk are big nowadays |
| 07:27.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:27.54 | NetEcho | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
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| 07:27.57 | nathakr | 256MB then |
| 07:27.59 | NetEcho | err |
| 07:28.04 | jetscreamer | si err |
| 07:28.07 | NetEcho | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3381 |
| 07:28.12 | r000t | %H<%Hwols%H>%H: and what about everything else |
| 07:28.21 | wols | alexbodn: different output file, but basically yes |
| 07:28.39 | wols | r000t: no. if you want to do ricing, use gentoo |
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| 07:29.03 | alexbodn | wols: restoring this backup would work the same? |
| 07:29.05 | jetscreamer | kconfig? |
| 07:29.23 | Azar | phorce1: check this: http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2 |
| 07:29.32 | tarzeau | how can i generate? sender_canonical_map.db |
| 07:29.34 | r000t | %H<%Hwols%H>%H: using gentoo right now .. but i want another where everything is a bit more (out of the box like but still optimizied) |
| 07:29.34 | badgers | that's too long, r000t |
| 07:29.35 | wols | NetEcho: apt-get install libncurses5-dev build-essential kernel-package |
| 07:29.49 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 07:30.19 | wols | r000t: optimizing is mostly a waste of time |
| 07:30.27 | NetEcho | thx wols |
| 07:30.31 | NetEcho | yea its true |
| 07:30.44 | r000t | %H<%Hwols%H>%H: why do you say that |
| 07:30.51 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 07:30.55 | wols | tarzeau: postmap? |
| 07:30.56 | NetEcho | the optimizations you do with gentoo get you barely any more preformance over a binary installed OS |
| 07:30.56 | phorce1 | Hmmm dpkg-reconfigure isn't generating a new XF86Config-4. It's not writing ANYTHING to the file |
| 07:31.02 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.13 | RvGaTe | <jetscreamer> %H<%Hwols%H>%H ? |
| 07:31.15 | jetscreamer | !tell phorce1 -about xdm5 |
| 07:31.25 | RvGaTe | whats up with the %h<%h ? |
| 07:31.36 | Azar | phorce1: did you installed your graphics driver? |
| 07:31.37 | stoned | his xchat is screwey |
| 07:31.38 | wols | stupid color codes since he uses a l337 script |
| 07:31.43 | jetscreamer | i dunno i was asking r000t, who did it |
| 07:31.46 | jetscreamer | ah.. color |
| 07:31.54 | RvGaTe | wols, just testing... |
| 07:31.59 | stoned | Rene |
| 07:32.14 | jetscreamer | alli see is % H |
| 07:32.20 | alexbodn | wols: restoring a .gz backup to a partition filename would work the same? |
| 07:32.22 | wols | evreyone does |
| 07:32.25 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 07:32.28 | RvGaTe | stoned, please call me by nickname... thx |
| 07:32.46 | jetscreamer | he can't he's too stoneded... |
| 07:32.51 | wols | alexbodn: unpack the backup, then use dd to copy it over |
| 07:32.53 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:33.03 | RvGaTe | stoned is always stoned |
| 07:33.13 | wols | dunno if just ungzipping would work |
| 07:33.14 | RvGaTe | you should hear him on skype... its hilarious |
| 07:33.18 | jetscreamer | he's a wannabe :) |
| 07:33.32 | stoned | wannabe what |
| 07:33.33 | alexbodn | my problem is, that i don't have enough place for the unpackaed file :( |
| 07:33.39 | tarzeau | wols: thanks |
| 07:33.44 | jetscreamer | shhh the dea might be watching |
| 07:34.05 | wols | somehow with pipes it should work |
| 07:34.15 | stoned | mmm I could use a good pipe |
| 07:34.25 | wols | e.g. uncompress to stdout and make dd use stdin to write that to /dev/hda |
| 07:34.31 | jetscreamer | paper |
| 07:34.32 | Azar | good day mr tarzeau :) |
| 07:34.43 | alexbodn | wols, isn't pipe working on the finalized output? |
| 07:35.03 | wols | what do you mean finalized output? |
| 07:35.05 | phorce1 | Azar: ? install graphics driver ? As in separate driver the way one has to with Windows (or with nVidia)? |
| 07:35.10 | tarzeau | hello Azar |
| 07:35.14 | jetscreamer | or fglrx |
| 07:35.23 | Azar | phorce1: sure |
| 07:35.30 | phorce1 | (via-arena is REALLY ugly in a text browser) |
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| 07:36.02 | Azar | the usual drill: installation, upgrade kernel if you need it, get the video driver installed, (the linux driver that is) then config x |
| 07:36.03 | alexbodn | wols: dd from-partition to-stdout | gzip to-file. won't the gzip happen only after dd finnishes? |
| 07:36.30 | Azar | phorce1: that's the way, use links |
| 07:36.36 | wols | not for backup. dd only needed for restore |
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| 07:36.47 | phorce1 | Azar: drilling down through the via arena site now |
| 07:37.18 | Azar | phorce1: a push for you: what is your chipset type? |
| 07:37.24 | alexbodn | ok, but in principle, won't the second command wait for the first to finnish? |
| 07:37.29 | wols | phorce1: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=20&CatID=2260 |
| 07:37.53 | wols | but no specific KM800 |
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| 07:38.26 | Azar | there isa KN400 and a KM400 |
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| 07:38.41 | Azar | ah maybe K9N800? |
| 07:38.50 | Azar | err K8N800? |
| 07:38.58 | jetscreamer | what do you use to open & extract .cab files |
| 07:39.01 | jetscreamer | i forgot |
| 07:39.03 | wols | k8m800 |
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| 07:39.11 | phorce1 | wols: Azar I found the driver. Just grabbed it |
| 07:39.14 | Azar | K8M800 UniChrome Pro ? |
| 07:39.24 | phorce1 | K8M800 |
| 07:39.31 | alexbodn | wols: ok, but in principle, won't the second command wait for the first to finnish? |
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| 07:39.45 | jetscreamer | cabextract |
| 07:39.49 | jetscreamer | go figure |
| 07:39.51 | Azar | ok phorce1 http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=20&CatID=2260&SubCatID=109 |
| 07:39.57 | wols | alexbodn: no, depends on the first command tho |
| 07:40.29 | wols | phorce1: so what error was in your X logs? |
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| 07:41.04 | pingouin | how can i read video: DivX 5 - information given by 'file' - under linux Debian/Sarge, i've installed 'w32codecs' xine, mplayer.... any clue ? |
| 07:41.07 | NetEcho | well its gonna be a big kernel |
| 07:41.11 | NetEcho | but it should work |
| 07:41.26 | alexbodn | wols: so, dd will wait for gunzip to finnish, but not viceversa? |
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| 07:42.22 | wols | alexbodn: no. dd depends on blocksize parameter. but you have to try it out yourself, I don't know for sure |
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| 07:42.42 | alexbodn | ok, i will. thanks a lot |
| 07:42.50 | NetEcho | So I change hd0,3 to sd0,3 to get sda4? |
| 07:42.53 | wols | pingouin: how did you install the codecs? via apt from marillat? |
| 07:43.02 | phorce1 | wols: I don't remember the original error and now dpkg-reconfigure is not writing a clean XF86Config-4. I'll be doing an uninstall/reinstall using apt to clean up when I get the fb-driver built |
| 07:43.02 | wols | NetEcho: no |
| 07:43.23 | wols | NetEcho: all you need to change is the kernel parameter where it says "/dev/hda4" |
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| 07:43.34 | NetEcho | wols its a SATA drive |
| 07:43.40 | NetEcho | older kernels saw it as hda4 |
| 07:43.51 | wols | phorce1: no you don't. someone already told you about !xmd5. follow that advice |
| 07:43.57 | wols | !tell phorce1 about xmd5 |
| 07:44.13 | wols | NetEcho: doesn't matter. (hd0,x) means BIOS drives, not linux drive names |
| 07:44.14 | NetEcho | wols: after I compile the new kernel it will see it as /dev/sda4 |
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| 07:44.30 | NetEcho | oh I see |
| 07:44.42 | NetEcho | root = is the same in grub as in lilo? |
| 07:44.46 | wols | grub doesn't know about sata or ata or whatever drives. it only knows BIOS, nothing else |
| 07:44.59 | wols | yes, since it's nothing to do with the bootloader but a kernel parameter |
| 07:45.00 | NetEcho | kernel /boot/whatever root=/dev/sda4? |
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| 07:45.08 | wols | yes |
| 07:45.10 | NetEcho | ok |
| 07:45.20 | jetscreamer | no grub doesn't give a shit about bios |
| 07:45.31 | NetEcho | I'll keep the old kernel there under recovery mode |
| 07:45.40 | jetscreamer | yes always have a backup kernel |
| 07:45.43 | johanisburg | what should I do with lots of *. dpkg-old files in my sys? |
| 07:45.47 | wols | jetscreamer: I wonder how grub boots then. does it come with SCSI drivers, sata drivers, etc? :) |
| 07:45.54 | NetEcho | whats this initrd.img? |
| 07:46.02 | johanisburg | !tell NetEcho about initrd |
| 07:46.06 | wols | grub can only access a drive via BIOS, no other way |
| 07:46.12 | wols | NetEcho: do not use it |
| 07:46.12 | jetscreamer | a symlink to /boot/initrd.img-blah |
| 07:46.20 | jetscreamer | yeah don't unless you need it |
| 07:46.31 | NetEcho | grub already has it compiled in |
| 07:46.34 | NetEcho | err |
| 07:46.36 | NetEcho | configured in |
| 07:46.56 | wols | NetEcho: but make sure your SATA controller driver and filesystem drivers are compiled into your kernel, not a module |
| 07:47.03 | wols | NetEcho: are you using kernel-package? |
| 07:47.15 | NetEcho | I apt-get it |
| 07:47.17 | jetscreamer | wols... i've had to learn some about grub... i think it depends on the stage 1.5 to know what to boot... i forget |
| 07:47.17 | fireba11 | does debian etch netinstall not include a MTA anymore i installed with minimum options ? |
| 07:47.23 | NetEcho | but I'm compiling from kernel.org source |
| 07:47.32 | jetscreamer | fireba11: it comes with exim4 by default |
| 07:47.37 | litage | on my sarge boxes, i have "FAIL_DELAY 60" in /etc/login.defs . when i put that into my etch boxes and logged in, this error occured: "configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator)". why would this happen? |
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| 07:47.48 | NetEcho | so do I just remove the initrd line from grub? |
| 07:47.52 | wols | jetscreamer: grub has no disk controller drivers. NONE. unless BIOS lets it access the disk to grab stage 1.5 or any other file, it cannot do anything |
| 07:48.06 | wols | stage1.5 is for filesystem support, NOT low level disk access |
| 07:48.11 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: but it isn't installed .. at least not when going with minimum packages .. sarge did still install it then |
| 07:48.34 | wols | NetEcho: you are doing something wrong. are you using kernel-package? if not, you are making an error |
| 07:48.52 | pingouin | wols: yes, via apt, from deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main , thus marillat was broken when i tried |
| 07:48.57 | NetEcho | using kernel-package for what? |
| 07:49.11 | wols | for compiling a kernel and producing a shiny .deb kernel file |
| 07:49.19 | jetscreamer | well afaik the bios has to post and boot the mbr first yeah.. but afaik that's all grub needs |
| 07:49.22 | wols | and it works fine with kernel.org vanilla sources |
| 07:49.27 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg rocks |
| 07:49.30 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:49.33 | jetscreamer | it does |
| 07:49.34 | SpeedyG | sure does :) |
| 07:49.36 | NetEcho | no I just downloaded the source unpacked it and did make menuconfig now doing make |
| 07:49.42 | phorce1 | wols: no-one had told me about xmd5 -- just dpkg-reconfigure. Now that I've done a clean configure -- the original error was (and is again) "no devices found". Which I'm now assuming is because I haven't built/loaded the driver from VIA |
| 07:49.54 | wols | jetscreamer: you are wrong. how can grub load any sector from a scsi disk without BIOS support? |
| 07:49.54 | jetscreamer | try make-kpkg --targets the first time |
| 07:49.57 | NetEcho | and I think I got kernel-package with apt-get like you told me to |
| 07:50.05 | jetscreamer | phorce1: iirc i did |
| 07:50.15 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg comes in kernel-package |
| 07:50.17 | wols | iirc's the same as jetscreamer |
| 07:50.25 | NetEcho | I just did make a while ago |
| 07:50.31 | NetEcho | you're telling me I have to start over? |
| 07:50.34 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:50.44 | NetEcho | ? |
| 07:50.47 | wols | NetEcho: yes you have to do "make" again. don#t worry, it will be fast |
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| 07:51.00 | NetEcho | why do I have to do make again now? |
| 07:51.04 | wols | but this time using make-kpkg |
| 07:51.07 | NetEcho | ok |
| 07:51.11 | NetEcho | it will make the .deb? |
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| 07:51.14 | wols | cause you don't have a .deb and fscked up :P |
| 07:51.19 | wols | yes it will |
| 07:51.25 | NetEcho | why do I need the .deb now? |
| 07:51.30 | phorce1 | wols: Have to get my 2.6 sources for that. I just installed 2.6 to get AMD-64 support. I have 2.4.27 on all my other systems. |
| 07:51.36 | jetscreamer | make clean first isn't it? |
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| 07:51.47 | NetEcho | yes make clean orelse it won't make properly |
| 07:51.57 | wols | jetscreamer: nah. since he doesn't change any config, he can skip make clean |
| 07:51.58 | jetscreamer | NetEcho: if you know what you're doing, it doesn't matter how you do it |
| 07:52.04 | wols | with make clean it would take a looong time |
| 07:52.07 | Azar | there is an issue about exim3/4 on the weekly news on etch |
| 07:52.08 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg is easier |
| 07:52.24 | NetEcho | wols may as well |
| 07:52.28 | NetEcho | I wasn't done make yet |
| 07:52.34 | wols | NetEcho: and it's MUCH cleaner too. I did it like you forever until I saw the error of my ways |
| 07:52.47 | Azar | that was for fireba11 |
| 07:52.51 | NetEcho | ok whats the .deb for? |
| 07:52.56 | wols | NetEcho: for installing |
| 07:52.59 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 07:53.08 | phorce1 | IRC question - hw do I kick my own nick from this session from a remote machine so I can IDENT and grab it again? |
| 07:53.08 | wols | jetscreamer: I learned on RH4.2 or so. there was no other way :) |
| 07:53.09 | NetEcho | so I don't have to do that moving of files myself? |
| 07:53.25 | jetscreamer | right |
| 07:53.26 | wols | phorce1: /msg nickserv help (ghost is the command) |
| 07:53.33 | NetEcho | do I still do make modules_install? |
| 07:53.47 | jetscreamer | try make-kpkg --targets |
| 07:53.52 | wols | NetEcho: so you can remove the kernel again in the future, so you don't have to edit grub (much), etc |
| 07:53.56 | wols | it's just the better way |
| 07:54.12 | wols | NetEcho: make-kpkg binary-arch. that's all |
| 07:54.17 | jetscreamer | it will give you an overview of the various options for building various packages |
| 07:54.19 | fireba11 | Azar: where ? |
| 07:54.29 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg kernel-image quicker |
| 07:54.43 | NetEcho | jesus you're confusing me |
| 07:54.44 | NetEcho | lol |
| 07:54.46 | jetscreamer | check the --targets |
| 07:54.56 | wols | phorce1: i don't get what amd64 has to do with X. or why you need a new kernel for it. you need a new debian branch for amd64 support |
| 07:54.56 | NetEcho | ok lets start from after I exit make menuconfig |
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| 07:55.02 | NetEcho | what commands do I do from there? |
| 07:55.12 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets first |
| 07:55.15 | wols | make-kpkg --targets to get an overview |
| 07:55.19 | jetscreamer | and see what your options are |
| 07:55.23 | phorce1 | wols: Thanks, be back in a bit. I'm starting to mix up machines because I'm ssh'd into two others from the one I'm woring on -- and running screen -- I keep getting lost. |
| 07:55.33 | wols | then simple make-kpkg binary-arch which gives you kernel image deb and kernel headers deb |
| 07:55.44 | wols | after that, you install the iamge with dpkg -i |
| 07:55.53 | jetscreamer | but if you keep the source around you don't need the headers package i think |
| 07:55.58 | phorce1 | wols: nothing to do with X -- just don't have the sources/headers for 2.6 handy to build the video driver. Have to sownload them |
| 07:56.08 | wols | jetscreamer: true, but that's 400 wasted MB :) |
| 07:56.22 | jetscreamer | one .avi :) |
| 07:56.31 | NetEcho | so make-kpkg binary is all I need to do? |
| 07:56.39 | wols | hey! that's a full 45 minutes of pr0n! |
| 07:56.47 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg binary-arch him say |
| 07:56.50 | NetEcho | eer binary-arch |
| 07:56.52 | wols | NetEcho: no. read what people told you |
| 07:56.57 | phorce1 | wols: this machine will be getting a 320G SATA when it arrives. Plenty of room for sources |
| 07:57.03 | Azar | fireba11: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/31/ |
| 07:57.15 | NetEcho | binary-arch is all thats needed with make? |
| 07:57.38 | wols | phorce1: just ask yourself, what is more important: 400MB or pr0n or useless kernel source which you can always download in 10 minutes again if you need it? |
| 07:57.44 | wols | NetEcho: NO MAKE |
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| 07:58.18 | phorce1 | wols: I burn the pr0n to DVD |
| 07:58.27 | jetscreamer | remind me to not tell you about my udev/grub/initrd hell when 2.6.13 or so came out... the damn hda became hde, and vice-versa... but try to boot to hde and hey guess what... it wasn't. |
| 07:58.51 | wols | jetscreamer: serves you right for using initrd inthe first place :P |
| 07:59.19 | Azar | phorce1: I wonder if there is something for you in the apt-cache for video driver.. |
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| 07:59.41 | jetscreamer | wols: i tried a debian stock kernel after many months of roling my own.. then i installed again... omfg |
| 07:59.45 | wols | Azar: supposedly k8m800 is supported by xfree out of the box |
| 07:59.48 | NetEcho | wols I'm too lazy to type make-kpkg in here |
| 07:59.55 | johanisburg | at is so cool! |
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| 07:59.58 | jetscreamer | i had no idea, i figured wipig the drive would help |
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| 08:00.00 | NetEcho | when I say make from now on with a kernel I am refering to make-kpkg |
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| 08:00.03 | Azar | wols that'd be nice |
| 08:00.16 | Azar | phorce1: do the drxx then, did you tried it? |
| 08:00.22 | wols | phorce1: what does your lspci output say for vga? |
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| 08:00.36 | tarzeau | !pl |
| 08:00.36 | dpkg | methinks pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 08:00.45 | wols | Azar: he said he did. several people also asked him what errors are in his X logs. he didn't answer |
| 08:00.49 | jetscreamer | NetEcho: then try m-k , even fewer keystrokes |
| 08:00.54 | tarzeau | damn #debian.pl is almost empty |
| 08:01.11 | tarzeau | any polish people here? does an irc network exist called friko.onet.pl ? |
| 08:01.34 | NetEcho | jetscreamer thx lol |
| 08:01.53 | NetEcho | its pretty late in the morning lol |
| 08:01.55 | NetEcho | 4:01 am |
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| 08:01.58 | NetEcho | I work at 4pm |
| 08:02.05 | jetscreamer | only 3.02 here |
| 08:02.09 | jetscreamer | err 3.03 |
| 08:02.10 | NetEcho | heh |
| 08:02.18 | NetEcho | as long as I get 6 hours of sleep I'm good |
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| 08:02.40 | NetEcho | so dpkg -i whatever-the-kernel-is.deb? |
| 08:02.41 | tarzeau | someone know a translator from polish to english/german/french? |
| 08:02.42 | jetscreamer | grub can boot by the uuid of an hd |
| 08:02.57 | jetscreamer | or wasthat partition... but there is some wierd hd option too |
| 08:02.59 | wols | what is a uuid? |
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| 08:03.12 | NetEcho | wols after I do dpkg on the .deb then what? |
| 08:03.14 | jetscreamer | !uuis |
| 08:03.19 | jetscreamer | hope the bot knows |
| 08:03.21 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 08:03.25 | Azar | tarzeau: the only irc I know of international community is the ugly undernet |
| 08:03.28 | jetscreamer | damn bot |
| 08:03.37 | wols | NetEcho: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to change your kernel parameter to sda4 |
| 08:03.38 | NetEcho | lol |
| 08:03.45 | jetscreamer | universal unique identifier? |
| 08:03.57 | NetEcho | ok but the kernel image file stays the same or does that change too? |
| 08:04.09 | wols | which file exactly? |
| 08:04.19 | jetscreamer | \o/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID good guess |
| 08:04.25 | NetEcho | the one for kernel /boot/whatever root=/dev/sda |
| 08:04.29 | tarzeau | or dict uuid |
| 08:04.31 | jetscreamer | Universally Unique Identifier |
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| 08:04.44 | jetscreamer | no |
| 08:04.52 | jetscreamer | root is sda1 or whatever |
| 08:04.56 | wols | yes that stays. /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17.4 root/dev/sda4 |
| 08:04.57 | jetscreamer | not sda |
| 08:04.57 | NetEcho | sda4 |
| 08:05.00 | NetEcho | yes I know |
| 08:05.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:05.05 | NetEcho | I missed a number |
| 08:05.25 | NetEcho | ok so it'll be vmlinux-2.6.17.8 <-- kernel I'm compiling? |
| 08:05.31 | wols | yes |
| 08:05.33 | NetEcho | or does the .deb change it to that already? |
| 08:05.36 | jetscreamer | ok we'll just quit correcting those non-mistakes.. hope we don't miss any |
| 08:05.38 | wols | no it does not |
| 08:05.44 | NetEcho | ok |
| 08:05.49 | NetEcho | jetscreamer yea don't correct em lol |
| 08:06.00 | NetEcho | if they aren't mistakes well then I guess I'll learn fast eh? |
| 08:06.05 | jetscreamer | phorce1: /join #freenode and ask a staffer |
| 08:06.12 | jetscreamer | might help |
| 08:06.22 | jetscreamer | /msg a staffer rather |
| 08:06.44 | NetEcho | time to put some tunes on to wake me up |
| 08:06.47 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: I'll just write it into my irssi connect scripts on the machines I IRC from. |
| 08:07.28 | jetscreamer | the deb will update the /vmlinuz symlink i believe though |
| 08:07.29 | NetEcho | lets just pray everything in the .config is correct |
| 08:07.46 | NetEcho | or else this could become a very long process |
| 08:07.47 | SpeedyG | wow, after hoovering it, my floor appears to be blue :o |
| 08:07.49 | Shadur | <Mangler on phone> Shad, can you send a ping for me? <Me> Sure... Nope, no reply. <Mangler> What, no reply from $ip? <Me> No, no reply from 192.168.0.1, you didn't specify an address. |
| 08:07.58 | Azar | back in the woody days it was simpler to get alsa working |
| 08:08.04 | NetEcho | lol |
| 08:08.11 | phorce1 | OK, all machines except the one I'm working on closed. Now to grab sources and build a video friver |
| 08:08.56 | NetEcho | wols the .deb won't remove the only kernel image right? |
| 08:09.08 | wols | it won't remove anything |
| 08:09.11 | jetscreamer | no it will just install your new one |
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| 08:09.18 | NetEcho | good |
| 08:09.26 | NetEcho | I am not removing that one until I know this one works |
| 08:09.30 | NetEcho | mistake I made last time lol |
| 08:09.39 | wols | you will still have the old entries for the current kernel in grub |
| 08:09.47 | jetscreamer | it will change /vmlinuz to /vmlinuz.OLD though |
| 08:09.47 | wols | you can still boot that old krenel if something goes wrong |
| 08:09.51 | NetEcho | gees I though getting alsa working was gonna be easier then getting the ATI drivers going |
| 08:09.53 | jetscreamer | and make a new /vmlinuz |
| 08:09.54 | wols | or boot in recovery (single user mode) |
| 08:10.02 | NetEcho | recovery |
| 08:10.03 | jetscreamer | make a grub-floppy |
| 08:10.09 | NetEcho | no floppy drive |
| 08:10.14 | jetscreamer | grub-floppies rock |
| 08:10.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:10.17 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 08:10.24 | wols | floppies suck |
| 08:10.27 | jetscreamer | (doh) |
| 08:10.28 | NetEcho | I don't have a floppy drive on any of my machines lol |
| 08:10.31 | NetEcho | I'm anti-floppy |
| 08:10.40 | wols | Azar: just try to install intel HD audio in woody... certainly not easier :P |
| 08:10.43 | jetscreamer | they come in handy sometimes |
| 08:10.49 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 08:10.54 | Azar | wols: true |
| 08:10.59 | Azar | hd sucks |
| 08:11.03 | NetEcho | so wols you're saying just add a new grub entry for the new kernel and leave the 2 for the current kernel in tact? |
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| 08:11.29 | jetscreamer | you can just run update-grub i 'think' but i forget |
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| 08:11.55 | jetscreamer | i learned grub, then went back to lilo |
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| 08:12.00 | NetEcho | lol |
| 08:12.03 | Azar | back in the days the general advice for a debian linux was: be conservative. That makes the liberals go in trouble |
| 08:12.03 | NetEcho | good ol |
| 08:12.07 | NetEcho | ol' lilo eh? |
| 08:12.24 | Azar | I am on lilo too |
| 08:12.25 | NetEcho | too bad I had to work until 12 tonight |
| 08:12.30 | jetscreamer | it functions and i know it |
| 08:12.32 | NetEcho | I woulda started earlier if I coulda |
| 08:12.41 | NetEcho | I'm very used to lilo myself |
| 08:12.53 | jetscreamer | grub rocks though |
| 08:12.54 | NetEcho | but grub is interesting |
| 08:12.57 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 08:13.05 | NetEcho | today is all about new things |
| 08:13.06 | Shadur | Grub >>>>> lilo. |
| 08:13.11 | NetEcho | I've been using slackware since 8.0 |
| 08:13.12 | Azar | grub is too independent for my taste |
| 08:13.18 | NetEcho | I used gentoo a couple of times |
| 08:13.19 | jetscreamer | why, Shadur ... how so. |
| 08:13.23 | NetEcho | but have stuck with slackware |
| 08:13.31 | jetscreamer | what are the >'s |
| 08:13.36 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 08:13.42 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: better than/greater than |
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| 08:14.07 | Azar | jetscreamer: do you think etch will still support lilo? |
| 08:14.08 | jetscreamer | aha! |
| 08:14.13 | NetEcho | gotta love seeing all the depreciated messages being generated by the kernel .config |
| 08:14.24 | NetEcho | etch? |
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| 08:14.33 | SpeedyG | etch/testing |
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| 08:14.37 | NetEcho | ah cool |
| 08:14.39 | jetscreamer | grub is the default but if i had to guess i'd say lilo would stil be available.. or you wouldn't see dselect atm |
| 08:14.40 | SpeedyG | iirc |
| 08:14.57 | Azar | that'd be nice |
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| 08:15.22 | jetscreamer | i have grub booting my kid's box, and all she has is windows |
| 08:15.24 | DimmuR | any1 can point me where can i find (if there exists) packages for php for oracle support in debian stable? |
| 08:15.25 | Shadur | jetscreamer: I don't have to re-run grub every single time I add a kernel; I can fuck around with the bootup parameters or even choose a kernel that's not listed in the config file if I know the filename, it can pull tricks like pretend to swap the physical location of two hard drives so that winduhs believes it's on the primary master disk, and it'll pretty much boot absolutely anything. |
| 08:15.27 | fulhack | Hey, I'm gaving troubles with the GD module for php4. I installed php4-gb w/ apt, but the web-app that requires it still doesn't find it. Do I have to do anythng other than apt it? |
| 08:15.47 | fulhack | php4-gd* |
| 08:15.49 | jetscreamer | you can jdo that with lilo too... cept you have to run lilo after changing lilo.conf |
| 08:15.58 | NetEcho | jetscreamer do I have to run anything to update grub? like with lilo you have to run "lilo" after editing it? |
| 08:15.59 | Shadur | jetscreamer: No, you can't. |
| 08:16.06 | wols | NetEcho: no |
| 08:16.09 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 08:16.09 | NetEcho | ok |
| 08:16.17 | Azar | Shadur: so how long you think it takes to re-run lilo? I can live with 1 minute of this job |
| 08:16.33 | Shadur | jetscreamer: You can't specify a totally new kernel from the lilo command line. |
| 08:16.35 | wols | I have a question about lilo vs. grub |
| 08:16.58 | wols | I have 3 partitions, windows9x on primary partition and in a extended windowsxp and linux |
| 08:17.00 | Shadur | Azar: I'm in favor of not having to rewrite my boot sector every time I want to update a configuration. |
| 08:17.14 | NetEcho | I'm gonna try it with hda4 first |
| 08:17.21 | Azar | Shadur: your choice of comfort |
| 08:17.25 | NetEcho | if that doesn't work then I'll do sda and edit fstab too |
| 08:17.39 | wols | how do I boot with lilo with a single boot menu, e.g. only the lilo bootmenu and no 2nd windows bootmenu to distinguish between w9x and xp? |
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| 08:17.54 | NetEcho | disable ntldr? |
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| 08:18.08 | Shadur | wols: That's not up to lilo - you'll have to tell windows to not toss up its own boot menu |
| 08:18.09 | wols | you can't. then windows wouldn't boot without its bootloader |
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| 08:18.23 | NetEcho | you can remove the ntldr entried I think |
| 08:18.27 | NetEcho | -d+s |
| 08:18.34 | wols | Shadur: no. the trouble both windows versions have the primary partition as the boot drive |
| 08:18.50 | wols | with grub this scenario is possible, never managed to do it with lilo |
| 08:18.54 | Shadur | I'm not sure that's possible, though - windows is notoriously inept at accepting the existence of any operating system that isn't windows. |
| 08:19.07 | NetEcho | lol |
| 08:19.15 | Shadur | wols: Yeah, that's where the drive mapping trick comes in. |
| 08:19.16 | NetEcho | I've seen Linux added to ntldr before |
| 08:19.17 | wols | it is possible. grub did it. lilo didn't |
| 08:19.21 | NetEcho | I'm told its a pain |
| 08:19.22 | wols | no stupid mapping |
| 08:19.23 | jetscreamer | you just type it at the boot: prompt, dude |
| 08:19.35 | wols | simply installing fist win9x, then XP, then linux. no changes whatsoever |
| 08:19.55 | Shadur | jetscreamer: No, you don't - you can only specify the options you added into lilo.conf at the boot: prompt. |
| 08:20.40 | Shadur | NetEcho: It involves copying the linux boot sector into a file, then copying that file into the place ntldr looks - which is invariably on an NTFS partition. Fun times. |
| 08:21.06 | NetEcho | heh |
| 08:21.15 | NetEcho | I hear they make you do it in most IT College Courses |
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| 08:21.43 | Shadur | NetEcho: IT profs are notoriously misanthropic. Or they consider it a good life lesson. |
| 08:21.55 | NetEcho | lol |
| 08:22.17 | NetEcho | I see no point in putting linux on NTLDR when you can use lilo or grub much easier |
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| 08:22.56 | jetscreamer | you change the partition type(s) to hidden on the correct disks via grub or lilo |
| 08:23.48 | wols | you cannot hide the primary partition where XP installed its bootloader... |
| 08:24.05 | jetscreamer | and then there's the 0x80->0x81 thing |
| 08:24.08 | Shadur | jetscreamer: And you can't modify the lilo configuration while you're at the lilo boot prompt -- which you can do in grub. |
| 08:24.29 | NetEcho | Shadur you can edit the conf from the boot menu? |
| 08:24.33 | yang | i got this error with make-kpkg when compileing on parisc - http://paste.debian.net/10444 |
| 08:24.33 | wols | windows has files named bootsector.dos and bootsector.nt (tailor made for you) |
| 08:24.37 | jetscreamer | in grub you can |
| 08:24.46 | wols | all you do is chainloading those files and you're done with grub. |
| 08:24.48 | NetEcho | nice |
| 08:24.55 | jetscreamer | wols: iirc only if you have w98 on another partition though |
| 08:24.57 | wols | with lilo I nevre ever found any solution |
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| 08:25.21 | Shadur | NetEcho: Not edit permanently, but you can modify the config of a boot sequence on the fly if need be. |
| 08:25.28 | jetscreamer | when you install the xp i mean |
| 08:25.29 | wols | of course. who would want to install XP on FAT partitions? |
| 08:25.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:25.55 | wols | enouf: win98 doesn't make bootsector files |
| 08:25.56 | jetscreamer | xp made them because 98 was there |
| 08:26.04 | Shadur | wols: I keep a 30gig FAT32 partition around to exchange data between my windows and linux installs, but the main windows system drives are ntfs. |
| 08:26.04 | wols | yep |
| 08:26.22 | wols | Shadur: was the same for me back then |
| 08:26.23 | jetscreamer | Shadur: mine is 20g atm |
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| 08:26.37 | enouf | and the MAP command is for atleast 2 HDDs, not for multiboot on a Single HDD - that's the hide/unhide option |
| 08:26.39 | Shadur | jetscreamer: Eh, on a 250gig drive nobody was going to miss the space. :) |
| 08:27.00 | publunch | How many gigglebytes do I need to install etch? 2 doesn't seem to be enough. Get stuck when it trys to install the portmap package. It just hangs. |
| 08:27.03 | Shadur | enouf: Installing windows and linux to two separate hard drives was less fuss. :) |
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| 08:27.19 | wols | Shadur: I didn't have any fuss |
| 08:27.19 | Shadur | publunch: You can install etch in about a hundred megabytes. |
| 08:27.24 | jetscreamer | 2 is plenty if you don't get kde or gnome or use tasksel |
| 08:27.30 | enouf | Shadur - absolutely ... though I'll never touch xpoop unless being paid $$ :-) |
| 08:27.37 | nekostar | mm |
| 08:27.55 | nekostar | anyone know a way to bind bittorent // bittornado to ip or interface ? |
| 08:27.57 | Shadur | publunch: How much space you need depends entirely on how much you're installing. Are you sure you didn't accidentally order it to install absolutely everything? |
| 08:28.00 | nekostar | via curses ?? |
| 08:28.06 | publunch | Shadur: Well, maybe there is some other problem. Maybe I should leave the deskktop environment out of the initial install. |
| 08:28.08 | nekostar | btlaunchmanycurses for instance |
| 08:28.15 | nekostar | --bind ip doesnt seem to be working |
| 08:28.27 | jetscreamer | yeah that desktop env in tasksel is a hog imo |
| 08:28.47 | jetscreamer | really everything in tasksel imo |
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| 08:28.51 | publunch | Well, I'll try again later. Thanks. |
| 08:28.57 | wols | publunch: use netinstall ISO and after that install things via apt-get |
| 08:28.57 | nekostar | Shadur, |
| 08:29.00 | nekostar | for server interface ? |
| 08:29.03 | Azar | this makes me curious: how do I find out how much space I use, jetscreamer? |
| 08:29.04 | nekostar | or is that with gui ? |
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| 08:29.15 | jetscreamer | df -h ? |
| 08:29.23 | NetEcho | man m-k binary-arch takes a long time |
| 08:29.25 | nekostar | df -h measures space |
| 08:29.30 | Shadur | nekostar: "server interface" ? What do you mean? |
| 08:29.31 | nekostar | i find df -a more fun XD |
| 08:29.48 | nekostar | Shadur, a server isntall or a gui install in 100MB |
| 08:29.51 | NetEcho | /dev/hda4 22G 2.3G 18G 12% / |
| 08:29.56 | Azar | nice, thanks 1.8G everyone: without kde or gnome, just X with openbox manager |
| 08:30.06 | nekostar | server installs here seem to take about 300 MB |
| 08:30.14 | yopyop | hey, i have problem during install, with gui or using fdisk, it does not create partition with number > 8. do i have to create node manualy ? |
| 08:30.20 | jetscreamer | df -ah even better |
| 08:30.27 | nekostar | Azar, one can get a nice gnome install in in about 900 MB |
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| 08:30.31 | Azar | :) ok |
| 08:30.33 | nekostar | jetscreamer, aye |
| 08:30.34 | Shadur | nekostar: On 100 megabytes you won't be doing much of anything with the system except maybe a gateway box, but that wasn't the point. |
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| 08:30.40 | nekostar | oh |
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| 08:30.45 | nekostar | sorry i kinda walked in as u said it |
| 08:30.46 | nekostar | XD |
| 08:32.19 | NetEcho | without using vesa framebuffer how would I make the console text on bootup smaller? |
| 08:32.25 | Azar | nekostar: well I got openoffice, firefox, some games and some other small programs. I use 1.8G of my HD |
| 08:32.50 | nekostar | lol not bad |
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| 08:33.16 | Azar | haha 1.8 out of 110 |
| 08:34.20 | Tallu | I'm using 2,7gb out of 250 |
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| 08:35.05 | Shadur | nekostar: svgatextmode, which looks ugly. |
| 08:35.12 | nekostar | im uzing 2.7 of 40+200 |
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| 08:35.34 | nekostar | Shadur, eh ? you mean for NetEcho there ? |
| 08:35.44 | nekostar | svgatextmode .oOo. |
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| 08:35.50 | nekostar | interestingly enough |
| 08:35.55 | Azar | I never used more than 2G ever... the 200+ G is a really waste for me |
| 08:36.03 | NetEcho | Shadur ok how do I use vesa then with grub? |
| 08:36.10 | nekostar | im being offered a warez ftp acct by some guy im in 0 chans with |
| 08:36.11 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 08:36.15 | apt | :/ |
| 08:36.15 | nekostar | friggan idiots |
| 08:36.23 | nekostar | im debating glineing him |
| 08:36.29 | nekostar | or just spamming him his ip |
| 08:36.31 | nekostar | XD |
| 08:36.42 | wols | how else is he supposed to give out his zombified trojans? he needs more fodder for his botnet you know? |
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| 08:37.25 | nekostar | lol wols |
| 08:37.37 | nekostar | OMG |
| 08:37.45 | nekostar | LEMME GETTHATCOPYOFTEHWINBLOWZXZOMG |
| 08:37.46 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 08:37.51 | apt | :/ |
| 08:38.34 | RvGaTe | ....right.. |
| 08:38.41 | Azar | etch will come out with a big ding |
| 08:38.51 | RvGaTe | any idea when ? |
| 08:39.06 | wols | december 2006 |
| 08:39.13 | RvGaTe | whoo... thats close |
| 08:39.16 | wols | it's pretty known by now. confirmed several times |
| 08:39.22 | Azar | my only fear is the installer... I want to try it |
| 08:39.23 | azeem | nekostar: please stay on topic |
| 08:39.30 | nekostar | azeem, yeh sorry |
| 08:39.31 | wols | of course I will still be skeptical until I see it :) |
| 08:39.31 | nekostar | :/ |
| 08:39.42 | Azar | I run it on another box |
| 08:39.49 | Azar | but is an upgrade from sarge |
| 08:39.49 | nekostar | wiat official release of etch?? <3 |
| 08:39.52 | Azar | I want the real deal |
| 08:40.02 | wols | I mean, a debian release only 18 months after the last? surely a sign of the apocalypse |
| 08:40.09 | phorce1 | <sigh> guess I'm gonna have to break out the laptop so I can use a graphical browser to go dig around on via Arena. --> error: code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode <-- |
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| 08:40.20 | RvGaTe | Azar, i've tried the installer from etch... its better then sarge imo... |
| 08:40.55 | Azar | phorce1: maybe your kernel does not support that driver? what about upgrading the kernel? |
| 08:41.02 | phorce1 | I hate trying to build non-debianized modules |
| 08:41.07 | Azar | RvGaTe: I can't wait to get it |
| 08:41.16 | RvGaTe | Azar, then get it... |
| 08:41.23 | RvGaTe | Azar, you can download it already |
| 08:41.30 | Azar | RvGaTe: not the beta |
| 08:41.44 | RvGaTe | Azar, probably wont change much... |
| 08:41.45 | phorce1 | Azar: I'm at whatever 2.6 version is in Sarge. |
| 08:41.46 | Azar | I got a brand new PC waiting specially for the official etch installer |
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| 08:42.10 | Azar | phorce1: one moment, I google for something there |
| 08:42.39 | RvGaTe | Azar, i installed sarge 2 months before it became stable... still using the same machine... |
| 08:43.22 | Azar | phorce1: it seems it runs in unstable: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg-video-via |
| 08:43.42 | Azar | ah for xorg..n/m |
| 08:44.12 | enouf | phorce1: try backports?? newer kernel .....also /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 08:44.17 | Azar | phorce1: your machine is a 64bit? |
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| 08:44.33 | enouf | phorce1: I would |
| 08:44.40 | Azar | acer aspire by chance? |
| 08:44.41 | phorce1 | yes -- AMD64-3400 |
| 08:44.49 | phorce1 | not an acer |
| 08:44.53 | Azar | you lucky dog! I wasnt able to find a 3400 |
| 08:45.23 | phorce1 | homebrew -- newegg has the cpu + gigabyte motherboard for $99 USD as a bumdle |
| 08:45.33 | phorce1 | s/bumdle/bundle |
| 08:45.56 | NetEcho | uh wols where does make-kpkg put the .deb? |
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| 08:46.11 | Azar | phorce1: you might get lucky if you try etch with xorg for that driver... not an official opinion though |
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| 08:47.01 | Azar | phorce1: I had to settle with a 3700 from tigerdirect... |
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| 08:47.06 | NetEcho | jetscreamer do you know? |
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| 08:47.58 | phorce1 | Azar: give me a few minutes to make room for the laptop and I'll dig up the newegg link. If they keep them at $99 for the bundle I might buy a couple for backup. The 320Gig SATA2 drive for $95 was nice too. |
| 08:48.11 | jetscreamer | NetEcho: ../ |
| 08:48.12 | Azar | phorce1: etch offers a higher kernel, therefore more support for amd64 type |
| 08:48.18 | jetscreamer | /usr/src usually |
| 08:48.30 | NetEcho | it doesn't keep it in the directory you did it in? |
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| 08:48.41 | NetEcho | the .deb file for the kernel |
| 08:48.47 | NetEcho | I can't find it |
| 08:48.48 | jetscreamer | ../ everytime i do it, but i untar it to /usr/src |
| 08:48.54 | jetscreamer | one level up |
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| 08:48.59 | wols | NetEcho: parent directory |
| 08:49.02 | lehmama | if i run "apt-move update" it is generating a unknown directory in dists, what is that meaning? |
| 08:49.05 | Azar | phorce1: I looked at newegg, but the kits they had were having some components I did not like |
| 08:49.09 | NetEcho | ok |
| 08:49.10 | jetscreamer | i unter athe source dir to /usr/src i mean |
| 08:49.11 | wols | and you need to be either root to make the .deb or use fakeroot |
| 08:49.19 | NetEcho | I have headers and image |
| 08:49.24 | NetEcho | do I install both? |
| 08:49.30 | wols | only image is needed |
| 08:49.42 | wols | headers only if you want to compile nvidia drivers or similar |
| 08:49.56 | NetEcho | I do use ATI drivers |
| 08:50.07 | wols | then you install both |
| 08:50.13 | jetscreamer | it's a LOT easier to keep the source around for the nvidia.run, no idea about fglrx though |
| 08:50.14 | NetEcho | ok |
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| 08:50.29 | phorce1 | Azar: you have to dig a bit. I first spotted the 64-3400 bundled with a REALLY crappy BioStar MB. Some digging brought up the same chip with a nicer MB for $5 more |
| 08:50.33 | jetscreamer | you have to pass the nvidia.run --kernel-include-path== or whateve |
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| 08:50.40 | jetscreamer | rand it's picky |
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| 08:51.05 | NetEcho | how do you use vesa with grub? |
| 08:51.13 | NetEcho | for a better console display |
| 08:51.22 | pstickne | I just /usr/src/include -> /usr/src/linux/include and fglrx works fine :) |
| 08:51.23 | jetscreamer | load the modules? |
| 08:51.26 | azeem | NetEcho: you mean after booting? |
| 08:51.38 | pstickne | NetEcho, I think it's the vga= parameter. That's how LILO set it. |
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| 08:51.47 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 08:51.47 | dpkg | from memory, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 08:52.19 | NetEcho | User hook script /sbin/update-grub failed at /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.17.8.postinst line 1014. |
| 08:52.26 | NetEcho | :o? |
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| 08:53.05 | pstickne | I think it's nicer just to set console to a higher text mode. |
| 08:53.26 | NetEcho | pstickne how do you do that? |
| 08:53.33 | pstickne | same way |
| 08:53.49 | NetEcho | which is?> |
| 08:54.04 | pstickne | vga=mode, only I have no idea what the modes are :( |
| 08:54.15 | jetscreamer | hwinfo --framebuffer will tell you |
| 08:54.28 | jetscreamer | --monitor is to get what to put in xorg.xonf |
| 08:54.31 | jetscreamer | conf |
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| 08:55.00 | NetEcho | User hook script /sbin/update-grub failed at /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.17.8.postinst line 1014. <-- wtf? |
| 08:55.09 | Azar | jetscreamer: I am not remembering exactly how I proceeded when I upgraded from sarge to etch.. upgraded the kernel to a 2.6.15 first then went for etch? is that correct? |
| 08:55.27 | jetscreamer | not me |
| 08:55.34 | jetscreamer | Azar: all i do is change the sources and let the chips fall |
| 08:55.54 | Azar | is gonna be ok going for etch with a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 08:55.55 | jetscreamer | i ran woody for a month maybe, then went sid |
| 08:55.56 | SpeedyG | hey guys, got a question, i'm running an installation script for a web-based userhandler for my ftp-server, but it says php is installed without mysql-support.. while it's installed. any tips on how to fix this? |
| 08:56.01 | dondelelcaro | off being the ultimate form of idle... |
| 08:56.11 | Azar | jetscreamer: that's bold |
| 08:56.25 | jetscreamer | it monstly works out |
| 08:56.30 | jetscreamer | err mostly |
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| 08:56.49 | Azar | jetscreamer: I tried that too, it worked for a while then died |
| 08:56.55 | jetscreamer | the udev/initrd/grub/2.6.13or so was a bitch though |
| 08:57.10 | Azar | ouch |
| 08:57.12 | jetscreamer | took me a week just to get my box back |
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| 08:58.56 | beanz | what does a high "user" time mean, as returned by the "time" command? |
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| 09:00.54 | dondelelcaro | beanz: that's time that the process spent using the cpu as opposed to waiting for system calls to return. |
| 09:01.26 | dondelelcaro | beanz: man 7 time; for an explanation. |
| 09:01.35 | NetEcho | and so begins the hda/sda hell |
| 09:01.47 | beanz | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 09:02.01 | pstickne | NetEcho, I think you could just vga=ask and try and random things ranging from 2 through 10 or so :P |
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| 09:02.14 | pstickne | NetEcho, NeoMagic supports 100x37 with vga=7 |
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| 09:02.24 | beanz | dondelelcaro: because I am running a script on two VMs, and one one VM the user time is really high, and on the other it isn't. |
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| 09:04.01 | NetEcho | and so begins where the kernel screams at me because the root partiton doesn't work |
| 09:04.04 | pstickne | NetEcho, some more information on higher console text w/o framebuffer: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2866 |
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| 09:04.15 | phorce1 | Guess I can just dist-upgrade to etch since I already have a lot stuff installed. Bet it's still gonna be a 500Meg+ download. |
| 09:04.23 | NetEcho | damn this kernel |
| 09:04.30 | NetEcho | it doesn't like /dev/hda4 nor /dev/sda4 |
| 09:04.36 | pstickne | NetEcho, tsk, tsk. Getting a VFS error on boot? |
| 09:04.41 | NetEcho | YES! |
| 09:04.52 | NetEcho | whats wrong? |
| 09:05.16 | pstickne | NetEcho, that is caused by 1) not having filesystems drivers built-in 2) not having an initrd and cramfs builtin |
| 09:05.32 | NetEcho | I don't have a initrd like the other grub entries |
| 09:05.33 | pstickne | NetEcho, although for 2.6 kernels mkinitrd is supposedly not the best choice. Works fine for me. |
| 09:05.38 | NetEcho | cause I don't know how to do it |
| 09:06.07 | pstickne | NetEcho, use mkinitrd to create the file, name it nice, put it in /boot, add the entry |
| 09:06.21 | pstickne | NetEcho, with initd you _WILL NEED_ to have cramfs support built-in to the kernel |
| 09:06.22 | NetEcho | full syntax? |
| 09:06.38 | pstickne | man mkinitrd :) |
| 09:06.46 | pstickne | I've only used it twice, I don't recall that :P |
| 09:07.07 | pstickne | looks like: mkinitrd -o /boot/whatIwantocallit version.number.here |
| 09:08.18 | NetEcho | make it from the kernel source dir/ |
| 09:08.19 | NetEcho | ? |
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| 09:09.14 | pstickne | doesn't matter. |
| 09:09.46 | pstickne | it's not directly related to kernel source, if that's what you're asking |
| 09:09.49 | pstickne | !mkinitrd |
| 09:09.56 | pstickne | !initrd |
| 09:09.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 09:10.00 | johanisburg | how can I reinstall the default debian crontab? |
| 09:10.43 | NetEcho | Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init |
| 09:11.05 | pstickne | that's interesting. |
| 09:11.10 | NetEcho | bunch of /lib/modules not found |
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| 09:11.37 | NetEcho | /lib/modules/2.6.17.8/modules.dep not found |
| 09:12.29 | johanisburg | what are .dpkg-dist? |
| 09:12.45 | NetEcho | pstickne any idea? |
| 09:13.01 | pstickne | NetEcho, you added the initrd line to grub and reinstalled? |
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| 09:13.36 | NetEcho | yea |
| 09:13.41 | pstickne | NetEcho, you have cramfs built-in to the kernel and your filesystem drivers as modules? |
| 09:13.41 | NetEcho | re-installed? |
| 09:13.50 | NetEcho | hell if I know |
| 09:13.51 | phorce1 | OK I'm gone for a while. Time to try a dist-upgrade to etch |
| 09:14.17 | NetEcho | CONFIG_CRAMFS=y |
| 09:14.21 | pstickne | NetEcho, bleah, cramfs/initrd will only bootstrap you. but you still can't continue if you can't mount / :) |
| 09:14.37 | NetEcho | well I have no idea if it wants sda or hda |
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| 09:15.01 | NetEcho | I'll try sda |
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| 09:15.28 | pstickne | NetEcho, uhm, it'll take whatever your other grub entries use unless you're trying to mount a different root |
| 09:15.42 | NetEcho | I'm setting sda in fstab |
| 09:15.49 | pstickne | uhm |
| 09:15.57 | fireba11 | what options do i have to stop a process when a kill -9 doesn't help ? |
| 09:16.00 | pstickne | don't do that if you can boot with a kernel. |
| 09:16.01 | NetEcho | same |
| 09:16.20 | pstickne | less you won't be able to boot at all. |
| 09:16.22 | NetEcho | after make-kpkg binary-arch do you need to do make-kpkg modules_install? |
| 09:16.32 | NetEcho | pstickne its a Sata drive |
| 09:16.40 | NetEcho | before newer 2.6 kernels it was seen as hda |
| 09:16.45 | NetEcho | but after that its seen as sda |
| 09:17.04 | pstickne | ahh, changing from the IDE/PATA driver |
| 09:17.21 | NetEcho | but do you need to make modules_install? |
| 09:18.00 | pstickne | NetEcho, not with kpkg. |
| 09:18.08 | pstickne | NetEcho, but you do need to dpkg it |
| 09:18.30 | NetEcho | I did dpkg -i kernel headers and image |
| 09:18.44 | NetEcho | cause this error looks like modules are missing |
| 09:18.53 | pstickne | NetEcho, check to make sure ext2/3/reiser/xfs/whatever you use is enabled either builtin (in which case initrd might not be needed) or as a module |
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| 09:19.12 | pstickne | NetEcho, look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` then |
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| 09:19.29 | NetEcho | alright /lib/modules/2.6.17.8/modules.dep <-- is there |
| 09:19.42 | johanisburg | do cron's cron.weekly scripts mail the output? |
| 09:19.47 | NetEcho | but its not finding it on boot |
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| 09:20.04 | pstickne | NetEcho, now go make sure support for your root fs is in a module. |
| 09:20.23 | liable | johanisburg: usually only errors |
| 09:20.34 | johanisburg | liable, how can I make it so its mailed ? |
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| 09:21.39 | liable | johanisburg: pipe the stdout to mail. ask in #bash |
| 09:21.53 | NetEcho | pstickne ok what am I looking for for ext3? |
| 09:21.54 | liable | johanisburg: i am a bash tard :) |
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| 09:22.04 | phorce1 | 667Meg to download on a dist-upgrade <sigh> |
| 09:22.09 | pstickne | NetEcho, what is your root fs? |
| 09:22.10 | johanisburg | liable, ok |
| 09:22.32 | NetEcho | ext3 |
| 09:22.37 | NetEcho | CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m |
| 09:22.58 | pstickne | I'm out of ideas then. |
| 09:23.31 | NetEcho | its this sort of thing that makes me not wanna bother switching at all |
| 09:23.44 | liable | NetEcho: if you have compiled a kernel without initrd, then ext3 and your controller has to be compiled in, not modules |
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| 09:24.14 | phorce1 | NetEcho: config'd as a module? Everyone else. Should your root FS be config'd as a module? |
| 09:24.21 | NetEcho | cramfs is compiled in liable |
| 09:24.35 | liable | NetEcho: theres one more necessary as well which i cant remember atm |
| 09:24.51 | liable | NetEcho: did you make an initrd? |
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| 09:24.54 | NetEcho | yes |
| 09:25.02 | liable | NetEcho: oh, ignore me then |
| 09:25.14 | NetEcho | this is getting bloody annoying |
| 09:25.17 | Chandu | hi , does any one know how t omake autorun cd |
| 09:25.19 | NetEcho | I can't boot the new kernel |
| 09:25.21 | NetEcho | at all |
| 09:25.27 | NetEcho | I get different kernel panics |
| 09:25.40 | NetEcho | one telling me modules.dep doesn't exist |
| 09:25.47 | liable | NetEcho: if you are going to bother compiling, just compile the necessery few modules in, and dont bother with an initrd |
| 09:26.08 | NetEcho | liable without an initrd it tells me the root partition is wrong |
| 09:26.13 | NetEcho | and gives me another kernel panic |
| 09:26.21 | NetEcho | no matter what I do it panics and won't let me boot |
| 09:26.40 | Azar | phorce1: are you upgrading or installing? |
| 09:26.48 | NetEcho | VFS panics |
| 09:26.49 | pstickne | NetEcho, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=280217 |
| 09:26.51 | phorce1 | Azar: upgrading |
| 09:26.53 | liable | NetEcho: keep trying, thats why debian supplies kernel images |
| 09:27.10 | NetEcho | liable I've been trying for 2 days |
| 09:27.14 | Azar | it should not install for more than you have: i.e. desktop |
| 09:27.15 | NetEcho | every damn distro |
| 09:27.16 | liable | NetEcho: trial and error, once you work it out, you wont forget it.. :) |
| 09:27.23 | Deepa | when i do a apt-get update |
| 09:27.25 | Deepa | i get this... |
| 09:27.26 | Deepa | Segmentation faultsts... 97% |
| 09:27.28 | NetEcho | it doesn't like /dev/hda and it doesn't like /dev/sda |
| 09:27.30 | Deepa | same if i try and install something |
| 09:27.36 | NetEcho | liable there is no trial and error |
| 09:27.42 | liable | NetEcho: do you change fstab to? |
| 09:27.45 | NetEcho | there is only about 10 things to try |
| 09:27.52 | NetEcho | I changed fstab multiple times |
| 09:28.00 | phorce1 | Azar: looks like just about EVERYTHING has been upgraded between Sarge and Etch. 667Meg download |
| 09:28.15 | cracking | lamer |
| 09:28.18 | cracking | lamer |
| 09:28.25 | Azar | phorce1: the more you had before upgrade, the more installation stuff |
| 09:28.36 | NetEcho | face it every distrobution fucks up by using a IDE driver for sata drives so therefore when you try to update the kernel it no longer works |
| 09:29.01 | liable | Deepa: try removing the available file.. dpkg --clear-avail |
| 09:29.03 | Azar | phorce1: upgrades usually are big.... |
| 09:29.07 | Kevin` | NetEcho easy to fix |
| 09:29.19 | liable | Deepa: then update again |
| 09:29.33 | NetEcho | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.33 | NetEcho | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.34 | NetEcho | wtf? |
| 09:29.38 | pstickne | NetEcho, another interesting: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4677 |
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| 09:29.39 | phorce1 | Azar: Yeah - that's whay I shouldn't have chosen "desktop environment" when I installed Sarge. Should have gone for a stripped install then added X then KDE after X was running. |
| 09:30.12 | Azar | for me, the easier way is to upgrade immediately after a fresh base install.. so I deal with configuration details when I am at the desired version |
| 09:30.16 | Deepa | liable: still seg fault at 97% percent |
| 09:30.19 | liable | NetEcho: i take it, you didnt add that? are you using debian or a derivative? |
| 09:30.29 | NetEcho | liable I just found that now |
| 09:30.30 | Azar | phorce1: right |
| 09:30.54 | liable | NetEcho: i have never seen that in a debian grub menu.lst |
| 09:31.10 | NetEcho | http://survivor.sarovar.org/Kenrnel_hda.html |
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| 09:31.13 | pstickne | liable, it's in mine :) |
| 09:31.15 | Kevin` | well it's commented anyway, does it matter? |
| 09:31.16 | phorce1 | Azar: So far every other install I have done has had X work out of the gate. Just this video chipset that's screwing me up. |
| 09:31.19 | pstickne | liable, it's used by update-grub |
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| 09:31.28 | pstickne | liable, to auto-generate entries |
| 09:31.45 | liable | pstickne: i know what kopt is for, i have never seen the 2_6 stuff though |
| 09:31.56 | pstickne | ohh *shrug* |
| 09:32.04 | Deepa | liable: out of pure guess i cleared out some stuff in sources.list and now it seems to work, thank you |
| 09:32.06 | liable | pstickne: you have that 2_6 shit? |
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| 09:32.08 | Deepa | :) |
| 09:32.20 | liable | Deepa: cool |
| 09:32.27 | Azar | phorce1: in your situation, I would just go for a base installation, dist-upgrade to etch, get a higher kernel then try the video driver and other configurations. it sounds faster and more fool-proof to me |
| 09:32.45 | pstickne | liable, no, I think that's just update-grub magic to apply to a specific kernel version |
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| 09:32.55 | pstickne | liable, eg: it looks generic |
| 09:33.02 | liable | pstickne: well, thats what i am talking about... |
| 09:33.03 | Azar | bloated installations are more prone to inherit configuration issues |
| 09:33.04 | liable | pstickne: no |
| 09:33.04 | phorce1 | Azar: the download is pulling at 300kB/sec+ |
| 09:33.22 | liable | pstickne: it looks like somr kanotix or some shit \ |
| 09:33.35 | Azar | phorce1: good night :) |
| 09:33.39 | phorce1 | Azar: I'll let it run out and start fresh when I wake up if it's still hosed |
| 09:34.04 | NetEcho | goddamnit |
| 09:34.06 | NetEcho | it still panics |
| 09:34.24 | NetEcho | Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block |
| 09:34.31 | vick | I am so bored, does anybody know any good fun packages to play with or something ? |
| 09:34.41 | Azar | vick : games |
| 09:34.43 | pstickne | liable, ohh :( |
| 09:35.12 | liable | NetEcho: what distro is this? |
| 09:35.36 | NetEcho | debian |
| 09:35.36 | vick | Azar, no, can't do that really, i'm at work, heh |
| 09:36.30 | liable | NetEcho: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 09:37.38 | pstickne | NetEcho, the unknown block is because it can |
| 09:37.49 | liable | wtf? |
| 09:37.50 | NetEcho | ? |
| 09:37.54 | pstickne | 't find the filesystem driver (no initrd and no build in root fs type) |
| 09:38.18 | NetEcho | so I need initrd now? |
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| 09:38.34 | Azar | that why I like lilo, I upgrade the kernel, I do the initrd stanza in it, save, reboot and voila: goes |
| 09:38.35 | NetEcho | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 09:39.09 | Azar | grub is like: leave it to me and good luck |
| 09:39.43 | pstickne | Azar, yeah, LILO is definately simpler. |
| 09:39.56 | pstickne | Azar, but GRUB was installed with deb so *shrug* |
| 09:39.57 | liable | NetEcho: paste your entire grub menu list and fstab |
| 09:40.00 | Azar | pstickne: at least you see and you know whats going on. |
| 09:40.01 | NetEcho | jesus why don't I just compile in both filesystems then |
| 09:40.05 | liable | basti`DND: to a pastebot |
| 09:40.16 | liable | NetEcho: ^^ |
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| 09:40.23 | NetEcho | ita almost 6am |
| 09:40.29 | liable | go to bed then |
| 09:40.32 | NetEcho | the laptop is sitting at a kernel panic |
| 09:40.34 | pstickne | Azar, on the other hand, being able to edit boot entries at boot time is kinda nice... but you can only do so much. |
| 09:40.34 | NetEcho | as usual |
| 09:40.45 | basti`DND | liable? |
| 09:40.55 | NetEcho | kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 09:40.57 | liable | basti`DND: bad nicktab. sorry |
| 09:40.58 | Azar | pstickne: definitely grub has its nice things |
| 09:41.06 | basti`DND | No prob. .) |
| 09:41.09 | basti`DND | :) |
| 09:41.16 | NetEcho | liable know what to do about that nasty little error? |
| 09:41.27 | apfel | I'm using the ATI driver fglrx and I'm having the problem that there sometimes appears a white bar below the mouse pointer. Any ideas how to get rid of this? |
| 09:41.51 | liable | NetEcho: firstly, why did you have to compile a kernel? |
| 09:42.01 | vick | NetEcho, what do you do when you are bored / |
| 09:42.03 | NetEcho | because alsa doesn't work |
| 09:42.24 | NetEcho | because 2.6.8 doesn't have support for my sound card |
| 09:42.29 | liable | NetEcho: why dont you just get the ltest alsa drivers from the alsa project? |
| 09:42.41 | Azar | liable, his sound driver does not seem to work with his fancy sound card |
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| 09:42.44 | NetEcho | why didn't someone tell me that 4 hours ago |
| 09:42.53 | NetEcho | every one of you were like OH you need to compile a new kernel to fix that |
| 09:43.02 | NetEcho | :@ |
| 09:43.13 | Azar | NetEcho: tell liable what sound card you use |
| 09:43.14 | vick | NetEcho, Why didn't you figure it out yourself then ? |
| 09:43.14 | vick | heh. |
| 09:43.24 | NetEcho | ok do I compile cramfs or do I compile ext3 as a module or into the kernel? |
| 09:43.38 | DimmuR | i've downloaded source (via apt-get) of php4-common, and edited rules - how now can i make debian package? (on debian sarge) |
| 09:43.39 | NetEcho | Azar thats also a pain because dell is telling me I have 2 sound cards |
| 09:44.10 | Azar | NetEcho: they told you to get a higher kernel because your Creative whatever don't work with a 2.6.8 |
| 09:44.41 | NetEcho | Creative Labs Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy ADVANCED HD Audio |
| 09:44.41 | NetEcho | SIGMATEL STAC 92XX C-Major HD Audio Chipset |
| 09:44.55 | Azar | yeah that HD thingie |
| 09:45.07 | Azar | liable, what do you think? |
| 09:45.46 | NetEcho | so why is it giving me this kernel panic when I use initrd? |
| 09:45.46 | NetEcho | Creative Labs Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy ADVANCED HD Audio |
| 09:45.47 | NetEcho | SIGMATEL STAC 92XX C-Major HD Audio Chipset |
| 09:45.48 | NetEcho | err |
| 09:46.01 | NetEcho | kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 09:46.28 | Azar | thats a grub weirdness.. |
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| 09:46.53 | NetEcho | here I'll give you the config file and fstab |
| 09:46.55 | NetEcho | and grub |
| 09:47.10 | Azar | not me, Im stupid at grub, never used it |
| 09:47.45 | NetEcho | no liable |
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| 09:51.12 | NetEcho | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3382 |
| 09:51.52 | NetEcho | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3383 |
| 09:52.02 | liable | NetEcho: ok, but first, have you checked out the laptop links i told you to ask dpkg like 4 hours ago? |
| 09:52.18 | NetEcho | yes where do you think I got half the info I've been going by |
| 09:52.25 | NetEcho | like that grub option you told me you've never seen |
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| 09:53.39 | liable | NetEcho: um, you have (hd0,3)... |
| 09:53.53 | jo4u | hi |
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| 09:54.04 | NetEcho | grr I was told not to change that by 3 people |
| 09:54.15 | NetEcho | if you say I have to change it I'm gonna hunt them down and slap them personaly |
| 09:54.27 | NetEcho | it has to be sd0,3 right? |
| 09:54.59 | NetEcho | liable? |
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| 09:55.24 | liable | NetEcho: no |
| 09:55.32 | NetEcho | then whats the problem with that? |
| 09:55.45 | liable | NetEcho: nm i was having brain fart |
| 09:56.16 | NetEcho | please tell me you have a solution |
| 09:56.38 | wols | NetEcho: your initrd line is wrong |
| 09:56.46 | NetEcho | whats wrong with it? |
| 09:56.55 | wols | in menu.lst. and me and jetscreamer both said not to use initrd |
| 09:57.14 | NetEcho | dude if you'd be paying attention |
| 09:57.25 | wols | also do not make an initrd while compiling the kernel. no initrd support and both sata driver and fielsystem not as modules |
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| 09:57.30 | NetEcho | without initrd I get a completely different kernel panic |
| 09:57.50 | NetEcho | so ext3 has to be compiled in? |
| 09:57.54 | wols | yes |
| 09:58.02 | NetEcho | and I have no idea where the hell the kernel keeps sata drivers |
| 09:58.15 | wols | under scsi. that is if you use sata |
| 09:58.25 | NetEcho | its a sata laptop |
| 09:58.31 | wols | since it's now a sd* device it's under scsi obviously |
| 09:58.44 | publunch | Hello again. Installation of etch hangs at 'Select and install software 85% - configuring portmap'. I got round this by configuring the machine as a standalone unnetworked box, but I will want to use the network. I think there is a bug somewhere. I am installing from debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso 04-Aug-2006 11:55 640M |
| 09:58.47 | NetEcho | I don't know what controler I use |
| 09:59.28 | vick | publunch, etch hanged with me at some point also, as well as on other computer, i just gave it some time and it continued |
| 09:59.35 | vick | publunch, not way too much tho |
| 10:00.01 | cracking | lamer |
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| 10:00.03 | cracking | lamer |
| 10:00.09 | publunch | vick, thanks, so I should just go and make coffee, have a bath, go shopping at that point. Thanks. |
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| 10:00.13 | vick | cracking, Stop it. |
| 10:00.20 | cydork | vick, did you check bts? |
| 10:00.23 | NetEcho | wols should I just compile everything under scsi as built in? |
| 10:00.25 | cracking | why |
| 10:00.33 | vick | publunch, wait, not that much time tho. |
| 10:00.42 | vick | publunch, i gave it less than half an hour i guess. |
| 10:00.56 | publunch | ok, thanks vick. I'll let you know how I get on. |
| 10:01.16 | wols | NetEcho: no you should not |
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| 10:01.22 | liable | NetEcho: what is the model of this laptop? |
| 10:01.28 | NetEcho | Dell Inspiron 6400 |
| 10:01.49 | vick | cydork, bts ? |
| 10:01.58 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 10:01.58 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 10:01.58 | vick | cydork, shouldn't that be for sid ? |
| 10:02.11 | NetEcho | wols what am I changing under SCSI then? |
| 10:02.15 | wols | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 10:02.38 | jetscreamer | one down |
| 10:02.44 | wols | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3384 |
| 10:02.53 | wols | NetEcho: that should show you |
| 10:02.56 | jetscreamer | should be |
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| 10:03.20 | NetEcho | change those to *? |
| 10:03.26 | NetEcho | or should sata be modules? |
| 10:03.39 | wols | NO modules |
| 10:03.42 | jetscreamer | you have sata, you don't want initrd... |
| 10:03.43 | wols | compiled in |
| 10:03.45 | jetscreamer | hence no modules |
| 10:04.00 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 10:04.27 | NetEcho | ok so just the generic Serial ATA (SATA) support (SCSI_SATA [=m]) and none of the controls in that same menu? |
| 10:04.29 | menko | are you people able to connect to irc.windowmaker.info ? It keeps telling me connection denied, but I can ping it. |
| 10:04.33 | jetscreamer | you cna have modules, just not for what your box/lappy needs to boot... like that |
| 10:04.50 | wols | in that menu, it clearly says "INTEL" |
| 10:04.55 | cracking | hello |
| 10:05.01 | cracking | debian=ubuntu ? |
| 10:05.05 | jetscreamer | no |
| 10:05.09 | jetscreamer | #ubuntu |
| 10:05.22 | cracking | okkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 10:05.28 | cracking | dico |
| 10:05.30 | cracking | la base |
| 10:05.30 | jetscreamer | ko |
| 10:05.35 | cracking | sono quasi uguali? |
| 10:05.35 | jetscreamer | tu |
| 10:05.36 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 10:05.37 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 10:05.56 | cracking | cydork sei italiano? |
| 10:06.04 | wols | !it |
| 10:06.04 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 10:06.11 | NetEcho | ok I changed them |
| 10:06.13 | liable | NetEcho: just get latest alsa.. follow the directions in this howto http://domrep-jamaica.blogspot.com/2006/05/new-laptop-dell-inspiron-6400.html |
| 10:06.15 | NetEcho | and am re-compiling |
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| 10:06.39 | SITROF | can someone help me plz ? |
| 10:06.47 | ApEtc | !ask |
| 10:06.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:06.54 | NetEcho | liable it also says install a new kernel |
| 10:06.56 | OtaK | well |
| 10:07.16 | OtaK | i have installed debian...but can't start the X :( |
| 10:07.21 | cydork | NetEcho, which version are you trying use? |
| 10:07.28 | NetEcho | 2.6.17.8 |
| 10:07.28 | cydork | !tell OtaK about drxx |
| 10:07.30 | OtaK | i think my hradware will not supported.... |
| 10:07.33 | liable | NetEcho: no, just get the alsa drivers. no need for new kernel just for sound |
| 10:07.51 | OtaK | new sony vaio lap |
| 10:07.55 | NetEcho | liable that page you gave me clearly says new kernel |
| 10:08.00 | cracking | ci sono |
| 10:08.04 | cracking | italiani? |
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| 10:08.09 | NetEcho | a) Make sure that your kernel is 2.6.16-1.2080_FC5smp and that you have its sources installed. If not, install: |
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| 10:08.12 | NetEcho | 2.6.16 |
| 10:08.13 | OtaK | and, the sound also.... :s |
| 10:08.20 | NetEcho | when the support for my sound was added |
| 10:09.34 | jetscreamer | fc5? |
| 10:09.39 | NetEcho | I'll try the kernel again |
| 10:09.45 | NetEcho | but I'll let it compile over night |
| 10:09.49 | NetEcho | goodnight |
| 10:09.57 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 10:10.13 | jetscreamer | safest way is use a default config and just hit y on the stuff you know you need |
| 10:10.26 | NetEcho | thats what I did |
| 10:10.29 | jetscreamer | and take out what you knowfordamnsure you don't need |
| 10:10.36 | liable | jetscreamer: he doesnt know what he needs :) |
| 10:10.50 | NetEcho | stupid dell doesn't give you a list of what they sold you |
| 10:10.55 | jetscreamer | i don't know what i need... cept a life |
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| 10:11.04 | cafuego | it's infected moron day again today? |
| 10:11.06 | NetEcho | night |
| 10:11.10 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 10:11.12 | ApEtc | cafuego: Sunday? :) |
| 10:11.16 | ApEtc | NetEcho: lspci didn't help? |
| 10:11.24 | NetEcho | ApEtc all unknown devices |
| 10:11.34 | liable | NetEcho: 'update-pciids' |
| 10:11.36 | jetscreamer | you can google that output thogh |
| 10:11.45 | liable | NetEcho: in a term.. |
| 10:11.47 | OtaK | well, cydork, that does'nt work |
| 10:11.53 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 10:12.02 | NetEcho | there we go |
| 10:12.20 | jetscreamer | Done. |
| 10:12.21 | NetEcho | ok |
| 10:12.22 | NetEcho | night |
| 10:12.58 | cydork | !tell OtaK about doesn't work |
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| 10:16.55 | OtaK | i can only start the X in the minimal resolution, what chipset do i choose out of the list from the installing menu....'generic is not added' ....$ |
| 10:17.27 | OtaK | the grpah card is Intel 915GM |
| 10:18.15 | OtaK | i need to choose a suitable chipset... |
| 10:18.17 | avtobiff | OtaK, do a x86fconfig and configure it. choose the driver from the gfxcardslist |
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| 10:19.07 | OtaK | thx |
| 10:19.07 | vick | is there program on debian which could tell me which programs are nearly not used or libraries nothing built on, etc.. ? |
| 10:19.16 | vick | So that i could free more space |
| 10:19.21 | azeem | deborphan |
| 10:19.28 | dondelelcaro | vick: the popcon output for your machine, or aptitude/deborphan can too.. |
| 10:19.32 | OtaK | but, is that card supported ??? |
| 10:19.40 | vick | deborphan is GUI ? |
| 10:19.53 | streuner | you don't one |
| 10:19.57 | streuner | !deborphan |
| 10:19.57 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 10:20.11 | streuner | need* |
| 10:20.14 | OtaK | 'k i give it a try |
| 10:20.21 | OtaK | THX all 4 help |
| 10:20.24 | vick | OtaK, that was to me tho |
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| 10:20.52 | vick | streuner, what about programs ? |
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| 10:21.09 | vick | streuner, can deborphan give me information about unused programs as well ? |
| 10:21.16 | oneonetwo | Is debian's package management binary or source? |
| 10:21.26 | streuner | perl |
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| 10:21.38 | vick | oneonetwo, The default or the availability ? |
| 10:21.47 | vick | oneonetwo, Both are available, default is binary i guess. |
| 10:21.50 | oneonetwo | vick, both |
| 10:21.57 | streuner | vick: well, just run 'dpkg -l' and just remove apps. which you don't need. |
| 10:22.10 | oneonetwo | vick, ok, so how do I install src and where dose src go? |
| 10:22.21 | vick | oneonetwo, haven't done so, did you google ? |
| 10:22.28 | oneonetwo | no |
| 10:22.37 | vick | oneonetwo, google first and check debian.org |
| 10:22.41 | streuner | oneonetwo: source goes to that folder which you started the command |
| 10:22.52 | liable | vick: debfoster can help cull programs you dont want |
| 10:22.56 | vick | streuner, i dont think so, i am not sure tho. |
| 10:22.57 | oneonetwo | streuner, oh, really? |
| 10:23.20 | vick | liable, i'll check it out, thanks. |
| 10:23.21 | oneonetwo | streuner, and dosent it build from src when finished dl'ing |
| 10:23.21 | streuner | oneonetwo: that's at least for apt-get source <package> :-) |
| 10:23.35 | vick | oneonetwo, that would be a wget then |
| 10:23.40 | streuner | oneonetwo: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:23.41 | vick | oneonetwo, i am sure it does |
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| 10:24.07 | streuner | oneonetwo: its a nice example |
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| 10:24.30 | vick | oneonetwo, why dont you go for gentoo tho |
| 10:24.35 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me how to find out if i have a 'full duplex soundcard'? |
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| 10:25.44 | oneonetwo | vick, I run gentoo |
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| 10:26.33 | pstickne | brownie17, do you use linein or the mic at all? |
| 10:27.20 | streuner | !gentoosmite oneonetwo |
| 10:27.35 | brownie17 | pstickne, i haven't tried the line in, but the mic works |
| 10:27.37 | pstickne | brownie17, nvm, I was going to be a smartass :) |
| 10:27.46 | pstickne | brownie17, if you can get mic in and sound out, it's full-duplex. |
| 10:27.52 | Chandu | which package I have to install to get the "deb-make" command |
| 10:27.54 | brownie17 | pstickne, :D what were you going to say? |
| 10:27.54 | pstickne | brownie17, at the same time that is |
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| 10:28.06 | streuner | Chandu: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:28.06 | oneonetwo | hehe you people dont like src then :) |
| 10:28.17 | streuner | we prefer binaries |
| 10:28.32 | pstickne | brownie17, or very clever single duplex ;) -- but if you can't tell *shrug*. |
| 10:28.56 | oneonetwo | binarys are the worst thing ever! |
| 10:29.06 | oneonetwo | prebuilt eww |
| 10:29.07 | pstickne | I like some source. I don't like *having* to make verything from source. |
| 10:29.33 | Chandu | thank u |
| 10:29.39 | pstickne | It's a nice option to be able to compile source ... it's even nicer to have everything "just work" with a good package manager and large package selection :) |
| 10:29.49 | streuner | Its pretty braindead to compile everything new |
| 10:30.08 | liable | oneonetwo: if you use gentoo, then wtf are you here? other than trolling? |
| 10:30.14 | brownie17 | pstickne, linux won't let me play sound from two different programs at once, but i think the mike will work while the sound is playing |
| 10:30.43 | pstickne | streuner, on the other hand, built dosbox from source, granted it was a newer version ;), and it went from 5+ load avg to barely over .7 :P |
| 10:30.50 | oneonetwo | liable, stfu I am looking for a nice distro for a server, I dont want gentoo on it |
| 10:31.11 | row | brownie17: if using oss then thats correct use alsa iirc that does not have that issue you can play more than one thing at once |
| 10:31.14 | streuner | oneonetwo: ok, just get sarge then |
| 10:31.23 | streuner | oneonetwo: /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:31.30 | brownie17 | row, i thought i was using alsa, how cna i check |
| 10:31.31 | streuner | !d-i oneonetwo |
| 10:31.31 | dpkg | oneonetwo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:31.31 | pstickne | brownie17, that is because the programs have to grab exclusive access of the card. I'm not sure if ALSA alone handles this or if they need to use a sound dameon to properly share. |
| 10:31.34 | wols | !dmix |
| 10:31.34 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 10:31.51 | wols | brownie17: with dmix and alsa you can, even if you don't have a hardware mixer |
| 10:32.04 | Chandu | how to make autrun cd in debian |
| 10:32.07 | brownie17 | wols, how do i check if i have ALSA? |
| 10:32.12 | Chandu | sorry "autorun" cd |
| 10:32.30 | wols | Chandu: afaik you can't. autorun is a very very stupid idea |
| 10:32.50 | streuner | brownie17: usually you get with 'lsmod' some modules (snd-) |
| 10:32.53 | wols | brownie17: if your sound modules begin with "snd". or if alsamixer works |
| 10:33.00 | pstickne | wols, no it's not ... look how well it's worked for Sony in windows *rolls eyes* |
| 10:33.35 | Chandu | wols: Is it not possible to make a cd autorun . I want to make my application run automatically whenever I insert the cd containing my application |
| 10:33.35 | wols | pstickne: all music CDs use autoruns. sony isn't standing out. they all suck like this |
| 10:33.52 | Chandu | wols: like in windows , extra cd or utility cd works |
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| 10:34.14 | wols | I know what you want, doesn't make it happen tho |
| 10:34.15 | pstickne | wols, I was referring to the questionable software that they used O.o |
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| 10:34.32 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: autorun is a horrible idea; it's not enabled because it's a security hole waiting to happen. |
| 10:34.41 | wols | you can see if an automounter allows you to run a program when a certain volume is mounted, e.g the CD |
| 10:34.42 | brownie17 | wols, alsamixer works fine but i can't play two things at once. does this mean i have ALSA but not DMIX? |
| 10:34.59 | wols | brownie17: yes. and your soundcard has no hardware mixer |
| 10:35.09 | dondelelcaro | if you really want to blow your foot away, you can trivially write a routine that sleeps until something is inserted in the cd and run it, but the implementation is up to you. |
| 10:35.23 | brownie17 | wols, how do i install dmix? is it a package in the repo? |
| 10:35.33 | wols | !tell brownie17 about dmix |
| 10:36.02 | Chandu | wols: what is that automounter , is that "pmount" or "udev rules" |
| 10:36.20 | wols | any of the various automounters out there |
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| 10:37.23 | Chandu | dondelelcaro: what is that security hole .. If I want to just try it out in my PC , how to enable autorun support |
| 10:37.32 | amonbish | ok |
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| 10:37.56 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: the security hole is that you're running whatever arbitrary code someone has slapped on a CD as your user. That's not something you want to do. |
| 10:38.10 | mormoloc | when i try to compile Bluefish 1.0.5 I get this "error: pcre-config not found" |
| 10:38.21 | mormoloc | any idea what it means? |
| 10:38.22 | streuner | !find pcre-config |
| 10:38.30 | streuner | !tell mormoloc about search |
| 10:38.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pcre-config' (1): (/usr/bin/pcre-config) in libdevel/libpcre3-dev. |
| 10:38.46 | streuner | ^^^ install that package |
| 10:39.12 | mormoloc | well i cant find it in synaptic |
| 10:39.13 | mormoloc | : |
| 10:39.26 | wols | apt-get install libpcre3-dev |
| 10:39.29 | streuner | mormoloc: what's wrong with package in debian, anyway? |
| 10:39.41 | streuner | mormoloc: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:40.05 | cydork | mormoloc, why are you compiling bluefish?? |
| 10:40.21 | mormoloc | yep and i use ubuntu |
| 10:40.33 | streuner | mormoloc: #ubuntu |
| 10:40.36 | wols | #ubuntu then |
| 10:41.35 | mormoloc | i get no answer and debian is similar so i thought you could help me :) |
| 10:41.50 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 10:41.51 | dpkg | Kubuntu rox0rz! |
| 10:42.00 | cydork | !tell mormoloc about based on debian |
| 10:42.07 | Chandu | dondelelcaro: ok , that is true , but how to enable autorun , I just want to try it out over debian , I have seen in Windows and Redhat |
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| 10:42.13 | SlammerXP | mormoloc: "debian" and "ubuntu" only have two letters in common |
| 10:43.43 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: we don't have autorun for precisely that reason. If you want it, write a daemon to do it. |
| 10:44.25 | Chandu | dondelelcaro: What I have to do for that , do U have any idea |
| 10:44.40 | Chandu | dondelelcaro:What that daemon has to do |
| 10:44.49 | jelly-home | Chandu: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:44.52 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: I told you already; read up about 40 lines. |
| 10:45.24 | pstickne | Chandu, I bet you could find something on freshmeat easily. Maybe reading over some KDE FAQs. |
| 10:45.26 | Chandu | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 10:45.37 | wols | Chandu: since you know that RH does what you want, look how it does it |
| 10:45.51 | wols | debian doesn't do it, and won't do it in the future (hopefully) |
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| 10:46.11 | jelly-home | wols: however kde or gnome or somwthing might do it. |
| 10:46.14 | Chandu | wols: in Rh they have put one autorun script inside the cd root level , I did the same but it didnt work in Debian |
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| 10:46.14 | wols | so easiest would probably be to clone the RH solution |
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| 11:02.50 | jelly-home | ? |
| 11:02.51 | streuner | that wasn't nice, Luiza |
| 11:02.51 | streuner | stop that |
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| 11:02.51 | mandingo | lame |
| 11:02.51 | power1 | hey all, I have just moved an debian server hard drive from one pc to the next, all is working except network card, I can see that the correct module is being probed , but when i do a networking restart it says unknown card or something to that effect..any ideas. |
| 11:02.52 | Chandu | May I know any website link where I can get info on how to setup different servers on Debian system , what packages to be installed and its administration |
| 11:02.52 | k31th | yo i have postfix installed i want to install sendmail |
| 11:02.52 | k31th | if i just do apt-get install sendmail |
| 11:02.52 | k31th | it will remove any offending postfix packages ? |
| 11:02.52 | jelly-home | k31th: yes |
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| 11:02.53 | streuner | k31th: that's a bad idea |
| 11:02.53 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: klined it |
| 11:02.53 | d00sh | pula. |
| 11:02.53 | streuner | k31th: why in the world someone want sendmail? |
| 11:02.53 | jelly-home | k31th: apt-get has a dry-run option, you can do apt-get -s install something to see what would have been done. |
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| 11:30.56 | streuner | just use badgers |
| 11:30.56 | cydork | liable, look ^^ dpkg has quit |
| 11:30.56 | vick | Hello. |
| 11:30.56 | streuner | !hi |
| 11:30.56 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 11:30.57 | apt | hello, streuner |
| 11:30.57 | vick | dpkg, tell streuner about vick |
| 11:30.57 | vick | anyway |
| 11:30.57 | brownie17 | !vick |
| 11:30.57 | vick | !bts |
| 11:30.57 | vick | :( |
| 11:30.57 | streuner | forget that |
| 11:30.57 | brownie17 | !shit |
| 11:30.57 | streuner | after you /msg'ed it, it just leaved |
| 11:30.57 | vick | I want to have a splash boot screen (i am using grub) |
| 11:30.57 | liable | vick: dpkg just got killed in a netsplit |
| 11:30.58 | streuner | and joined again |
| 11:30.58 | brownie17 | liable, how'd you know it was a netsplit? |
| 11:30.58 | liable | %splashy |
| 11:30.58 | badgers | well, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 11:30.58 | liable | brownie17: my client told me |
| 11:30.58 | dpkg | hello, streuner |
| 11:30.58 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 11:30.59 | dpkg | i guess shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 11:30.59 | brownie17 | liable, coolio |
| 11:30.59 | vick | liable, what about etch ? |
| 11:30.59 | vick | heh. |
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| 11:31.00 | liable | nack with a vengeance |
| 11:31.00 | liable | back* |
| 11:31.00 | malbrukr | hi im trying to compile a kde package and get an error that x includes arent there, what package should i get? |
| 11:31.01 | vick | !vick |
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| 11:31.01 | streuner | malbrukr: what kind of package is that? and what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:31.01 | vick | liable, i am using 'etch' tho, debian 'testing' |
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| 11:31.01 | dpkg | you are, like, tyler durden |
| 11:31.01 | malbrukr | im runing skolelinux stable |
| 11:31.01 | malbrukr | which is sarge i think |
| 11:31.02 | liable | vick: visit the home page for it, as the factoid says, it works on sarge so.. |
| 11:31.02 | malbrukr | its got Xfree86 still |
| 11:31.02 | streuner | xlibs-dev then |
| 11:31.02 | malbrukr | thanks |
| 11:31.02 | vick | liable, so what ? |
| 11:31.02 | vick | heh. |
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| 11:31.03 | liable | !slap vick |
| 11:31.03 | k31th | guys are there any howtos/ guides for installing sendmail on debian ? |
| 11:31.03 | vick | Not so cool |
| 11:31.03 | vick | dpkg, tell liable about vick |
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| 11:31.04 | jelly-home | k31th: do you really need sendmail? |
| 11:31.04 | k31th | umm ? |
| 11:31.05 | k31th | well i have postfix setup but, it doesnt seem to work |
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| 11:31.05 | k31th | i setup the virtual part but wen i send a mail it just bounces |
| 11:31.06 | vick | liable, what about bootsplash ? |
| 11:31.06 | liable | vick: wtf do i care whether you are tyler durden? |
| 11:31.06 | malbrukr | and also, i cant get ssh key authentication working..... i've run ssh-keygen -t rsa on the client, so now i have two .ssh/id_rsa files, so i copied the content of the .pub file over to the server and ran ssh-add on the client, but when i try to connect i am still asked for a password, why is that= |
| 11:31.06 | jelly-home | k31th: I meant, do you really want exactly sendmail, or you just want the mta to work. |
| 11:31.06 | vick | liable, as in the package |
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| 11:31.07 | liable | vick: its a pia, and not likely to work with a debian kernel |
| 11:31.07 | liable | pita |
| 11:31.07 | malbrukr | i copied it to .ssh/authentication_keys on the server |
| 11:31.07 | liable | gah, my typing sucks as usual tonight.. |
